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| 00:02.26 | midgaze | How do you guys do a restore in the event of a disk crash, just as an example? |
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| 00:02.48 | dondelelcaro | midgaze: use RAID, or use backups |
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| 00:03.07 | midgaze | dondelelcaro: yes, backups (raid is no replacement for backups, btw) |
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| 00:03.25 | wrwrwrw | midgaze: start with backup of /home especially |
| 00:03.34 | midgaze | dondelelcaro: looking for procedure, and what sort of backups you make |
| 00:04.13 | midgaze | Specifically, I want to come in at 2am, restore my backups to bare metal, go home, and go to sleep |
| 00:04.26 | dondelelcaro | midgaze: depends on the system; I actually use VCS for my data files |
| 00:04.46 | dondelelcaro | midgaze: but if it's something that you'd bother to come in at 2A, I have raid, and redundant hardware so I don't have to come in |
| 00:05.19 | dondelelcaro | midgaze: and on other systems I use duplicity |
| 00:06.19 | midgaze | So you reinstall from media, then restore your data by bits and pieces to try to get a working machine again? |
| 00:06.29 | midgaze | And hope you didn't miss something |
| 00:06.43 | g00se | Is there a way, when booting from ramdisk, to say to the kernel 'don't detect and read hard disks?' |
| 00:07.09 | dondelelcaro | midgaze: depends on the system; most of my production machines use puppet to configure everything, and the data is backed up using duplicity |
| 00:07.27 | tiethie | midgaze: rsync/rsnapshot might be an option |
| 00:07.38 | dondelelcaro | midgaze: my workstations have everything in a VCS, so I install the packages I need, then run a command to install the data |
| 00:08.01 | dondelelcaro | but there are various other systems for imaging systems with varying degrees of fidelity and compromise; it just depends what you're doing |
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| 00:09.23 | midgaze | I'm used to using dump/restore, booting from a livecd/memstick, partitioning a disk, running restore for each partition, installing the bootloader, and booting up |
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| 00:10.40 | midgaze | But this machine has a bunch of funky mountpoints, like /dev/md0 for /boot and device mapper stuff |
| 00:11.15 | dondelelcaro | well, that's pretty typical |
| 00:11.34 | dondelelcaro | if you're using raid and raid+lvm |
| 00:11.34 | midgaze | Right, so I figured that there would be a known way to make backups and restore them to such a machine |
| 00:12.23 | dondelelcaro | you can do it the same way you're used to doing it if you want |
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| 00:14.27 | tiethie | midgaze: i guess for a real bare metal restore (without recreating partitions, aso) you have to go for something image based |
| 00:14.33 | troulouliou_dev | hi i have a bootable hard disk with a debian 5.0 system in it , and it is using cryptsetup , how can i decrypt the partition from another system by plugging the disk |
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| 00:15.17 | dondelelcaro | midgaze: the reason why I don't do image based backups, is because it's rare that the both drives in a raid set fail; it's far more likely that I need to restore a file or a set of files that a user has mistakenly blown away |
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| 00:16.06 | jelly-home | I do image backups where possible for DR purposes even though a D hasn't happened yet |
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| 00:17.00 | midgaze | dondelelcaro: can't count on raid to save you all the time, and when it fails it fails bad |
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| 00:17.59 | tiethie | troulouliou_dev: cryptsetup luksOpen <device> somename && mount /dev/mapper/somename /somewhere |
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| 00:18.20 | troulouliou_dev | tiethie, no it is not luks partition |
| 00:18.21 | jelly-home | also: file-based restore of millions of files is SO SLOW |
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| 00:18.34 | tiethie | troulouliou_dev: what else is it? |
| 00:19.07 | troulouliou_dev | tiethie, i think just an encrypted partition without luks , that i dhould open with "cryptsetup create" |
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| 00:19.30 | troulouliou_dev | i have the password , maybe a cipher issue |
| 00:20.35 | tiethie | troulouliou_dev: sorry, i never used crytsetup without luks |
| 00:21.30 | druonysuse | I have a database server that I could not ssh into... when I got to the datacenter to look at why, it turns out that the system is on but it is giving me some errors... the first error it gives me, it just prints it to standard output every few seconds or so. That error is "AAC: Host Adapter Dead -1" |
| 00:21.41 | dondelelcaro | midgaze: actually, it's been a while since I've seen a catastrophic raid failure. but even if it does happen, that's why I have complete backups of everything |
| 00:21.59 | dondelelcaro | and for the machines where I really care, there's actually redundant hardware |
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| 00:22.28 | druonysuse | and on some command that I run the machine gives me another error "reject I/O to offline device" |
| 00:22.30 | midgaze | dondelelcaro: yep, need backups, catastrophic failures don't always come in the disk failure flavor |
| 00:23.04 | druonysuse | and then it is followed by "EXT3-fs error (device sda3): ext3_get_inode_loc: unable to read inode block" |
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| 00:23.14 | dondelelcaro | midgaze: sure, but they tend to be the most common. it's possible to have filesystem corruption, faulty controllers, all kinds of other failure modes |
| 00:23.23 | druonysuse | has anyone seen this issue before and know what I am running into? |
| 00:23.26 | midgaze | take soulpro_ for instance D: |
| 00:24.27 | druonysuse | I am thinking there is something wrong with my filesystem... but am unsure as the first error doesn't strike me as a FS error but I don't know what AAC is so... |
| 00:24.28 | midgaze | s/soulpro_/druonysuse/ |
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| 00:25.04 | midgaze | druonysuse: AAC is probably your Adaptec controller |
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| 00:25.39 | druonysuse | midgaze: okay... so, could it be that the controller is failing? |
| 00:25.43 | g00se | druonysuse: You CAN have more than one error. fsck /dev/sda3 anyway |
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| 00:26.31 | midgaze | druonysuse: That would be my guess "AAC: Host Adapter Dead -1" is pretty unambiguous |
| 00:26.36 | g00se | druonysuse: You might find the box is already offline |
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| 00:27.44 | druonysuse | g00se: okay... should I run the fsck on the fs when it is live?... sda3 is the / fs and I think from the other error about I/O that the fs is mounted read-only |
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| 00:33.04 | druonysuse | okay... well, running an fsck as it is, I don't think is going to work because fsck is one of the commands that it just gives the I/O error on |
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| 00:35.07 | tuv | are ext3 and ext4 equally suitable for SSDs? or is either better than the other? |
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| 00:40.59 | blackshirt | hello |
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| 00:49.51 | thewanderer1 | tuv, ext4 is supposed to work better... it also supports ATA TRIM, which ext3 does not |
| 00:49.56 | thewanderer1 | (discard=1) |
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| 00:54.02 | ner0x | Is there a way to configure lp to print in a certain font and size? |
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| 01:01.26 | tuv | thewanderer1: ah ok.. thanks |
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| 01:10.22 | bs0d | Guys, how can I get to know my current locale settings? |
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| 01:16.39 | tensorpudding | bs0d, the program 'locale' will tell you |
| 01:17.17 | tensorpudding | it'll give you a bunch of variables set to a given localization |
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| 01:18.26 | tensorpudding | these variables represent your localization settings, and in most cases they'll all be set to the same thing |
| 01:18.54 | tensorpudding | something along the lines of <language code>_<dialect>.<charset> |
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| 01:19.18 | tensorpudding | for me, it's en_US.UTF-8, for english language, US spelling, using the UTF-8 charset |
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| 01:19.55 | JordiGH | Why are .debs two tarballs inside an ar archive? |
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| 01:20.09 | tensorpudding | you can tweak individual settings for time formats, date formats, money and telephone numbers to be a different country |
| 01:20.55 | tensorpudding | if for some reason you wanted one countries language localization but to use another's currency or date format |
| 01:21.34 | tensorpudding | i recommend not configuring localization settings using the LC_* variables though, it's much nicer to use the modern graphical configuration tools that come with gnome |
| 01:21.52 | JordiGH | I mean, it seems weird to use ar (does anyone use that anymore?) if you're gonna be using tar anyway. |
| 01:22.01 | JordiGH | And when was GNU tar not an archiving option? |
| 01:22.44 | tensorpudding | why does it matter that it's not a tar? |
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| 01:23.40 | JordiGH | Annoying to figure out how to unpack it. :P |
| 01:23.53 | tensorpudding | dpkg has a tool which unpacks it for you |
| 01:23.54 | dpkg | tensorpudding: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
| 01:24.03 | tensorpudding | not you, dpkg |
| 01:24.24 | JordiGH | Sometimes you want to look at a deb when you don't have Debian. |
| 01:24.49 | tensorpudding | file-roller does a good job of examing it |
| 01:25.02 | tensorpudding | examining* |
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| 01:25.07 | JordiGH | Ewww, GUI. |
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| 01:26.38 | thewanderer1 | well, how is ar worse than tar? :P |
| 01:27.26 | tensorpudding | i'm still annoyed that there is a dang program called open that does something totally useless |
| 01:27.43 | tensorpudding | so that the program which would be logically called open is called xdg-open instead |
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| 01:28.45 | abrotman | ar x foo.deb ? |
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| 01:30.55 | JordiGH | Anyways, I just wanna know how this happened. |
| 01:31.03 | JordiGH | The choice to use ar to contain two tarballs. |
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| 01:31.43 | tensorpudding | and having to write a script to call emacsclient to do things the right way |
| 01:32.23 | Dev0n | hey, I want to tunnel all my traffic from system A throught system B, so an outside network will see IP from system B instead of system A, is this possible with openvpn ? |
| 01:32.32 | Dev0n | through* |
| 01:33.23 | jano | hello everyone. so i'm on squeeze and i want to use ruby-1.9.3 which apparently isn't backported. what are my options? |
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| 01:33.29 | jano | apart from compiling, of course |
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| 01:35.09 | sweetandy | So I've got an audio CD stuck in a Mac Mini running Squeeze... cdparanoia didn't recognize a disc, so I tried to eject, and it said it failed. After I rebooted, it claims every eject is a success, even though it doesn't eject the disc. Any advice? |
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| 01:35.57 | tensorpudding | isn't there a little slot you can use to manually eject? |
| 01:36.07 | sweetandy | Nope |
| 01:36.29 | sweetandy | I also tried plugging in a mouse, rebooting, and holding down the button... it makes weird spinning/CD-reading noises and then boots normally |
| 01:36.54 | firebalrog | You can force eject from command line |
| 01:37.16 | tensorpudding | supposedly you can eject inside the open firmware |
| 01:37.17 | sweetandy | I only have the command line at my disposal, this is a headless server |
| 01:37.33 | firebalrog | Look for diskutil tray eject |
| 01:37.49 | tensorpudding | you hold cmd+option+o+f during start to get a prompt, then type eject-cd |
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| 01:38.12 | tensorpudding | hmm, wait, that's from 2004 |
| 01:38.16 | tensorpudding | it might not work on a mini |
| 01:38.21 | sweetandy | actually it might |
| 01:38.25 | firebalrog | Key combo at boot also might work |
| 01:38.27 | sweetandy | this is a powerpc mini |
| 01:38.28 | JordiGH | jano: If you don't want to compile but you want to stay in squeeze and there are no backports, you've painted yourself into a corner. |
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| 01:38.34 | tensorpudding | well, they still use open firmware on x86 |
| 01:38.38 | sweetandy | I've accessed the firmware before for things, I'll try that |
| 01:38.44 | sweetandy | Thanks! |
| 01:38.45 | JordiGH | jano: You have to relax one of those restrictions. |
| 01:38.56 | sweetandy | I'll try to do this without a monitor |
| 01:38.56 | tensorpudding | compiling is okay |
| 01:39.13 | tensorpudding | make a source package and build it |
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| 01:39.37 | jano | JordiGH: makes sense! however is there a chance of backporting myself? i'd love to contribute |
| 01:39.58 | JordiGH | !tell jano about simple-sid-backport |
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| 01:40.15 | JordiGH | !tell jano about simple sid backport |
| 01:41.01 | jano | JordiGH: thank you! |
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| 01:47.53 | qwertyboy13 | Debian sucks ass |
| 01:47.58 | qwertyboy13 | big time |
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| 01:48.57 | flower | duz it? |
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| 01:59.46 | notjimcarrey | where do i find "Users and Groups"? |
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| 02:00.32 | notjimcarrey | 5) In XFCE Applications -> System -> Users and Groups... Properties of your username... User Priveleges Tab... check "Allow use of fuse file systems..." |
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| 02:00.48 | notjimcarrey | can't find that in the menu anywhere |
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| 02:01.11 | nvz | notjimcarrey: adduser foo fuse |
| 02:01.17 | nvz | problem solved |
| 02:01.19 | notjimcarrey | doh |
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| 02:02.04 | nvz | gnome has a system menu and various gui's for that stuff.. I dont know if XFCE does or not |
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| 02:02.37 | nvz | but the commandline for granting a user permissions to a group is straighforward and fairly universal |
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| 02:34.22 | seaworthy | does anyone know what are some alternative to gnome that take up little space and do not contain extra packages like openoffice? thanks |
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| 02:36.37 | n-iCe | hi, there are two drivers for my wireless card, rtl8187 and r8187, is there any way to have both installed and switch between them whenever I want? |
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| 02:37.58 | junoip | People, is this real? http://imgchili.com/show/4382/4382030_1253560641833.jpg |
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| 02:44.18 | tux0 | seaworthy well you can use gnome without openoffice |
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| 02:46.44 | tux0 | seaworthy there are packages called "meta" packages which pull in many other packages when installing, so instead of installing many differenct packages yourself manually, you install one and it installs many others |
| 02:47.22 | tux0 | seaworthy however you can manually choose the packages you want to install, or install a "meta" package and let it install everything and remove afterwards what you do not want |
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| 02:49.31 | seaworthy | tux0, so gnome-desktop is meta? |
| 02:49.32 | tux0 | seaworthy gnome alternatives would be ... xfce, fluxbox, blackbox, openbox, fvwm, icewm, window maker, afterstep, ratpoison, xmonad, lxde etc. to find many more type: `apt-cache search manager | grep -i window' |
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| 02:50.04 | tux0 | seaworthy probably, type: apt-cache show gnome-desktop |
| 02:50.32 | tux0 | seaworthy that should show you all the packages it depends on and would pullin/download/install if you installed that one package |
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| 02:51.35 | tux0 | seaworthy what version of debian are you using? |
| 02:51.45 | seaworthy | 6.03 |
| 02:51.50 | seaworthy | squeeze |
| 02:52.01 | seaworthy | gnome-desktop is 900MB |
| 02:52.18 | bviktor | omg |
| 02:52.23 | tux0 | seaworthy did you run the command `apt-cache show gnome-desktop' ? |
| 02:52.35 | seaworthy | i ran the first one |
| 02:52.40 | seaworthy | pretty handy |
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| 02:54.04 | seaworthy | unable to locate |
| 02:54.44 | tux0 | where did you get gnome-desktop from? |
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| 02:55.14 | tux0 | apt-cache show gnome |
| 02:55.49 | zykotick9 | seaworthy: gnome-desktop-environment is a meta package that a little lighter then "gnome". See "/msg dpkg install gnome" for an even lighter option. |
| 02:58.05 | seaworthy | zykotick9, not bad |
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| 02:59.21 | seaworthy | zykotick9, does gnome-core have X? |
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| 03:00.06 | zykotick9 | seaworthy: if not install the xorg package, i'm amazed debian doesn't consider xorg a dependency on several DEs/WMs. |
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| 03:01.45 | seaworthy | well i am using live-build |
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| 03:01.59 | seaworthy | so i knida need to know |
| 03:02.05 | seaworthy | its okay |
| 03:02.17 | seaworthy | i thought maybe you knew a way to find out |
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| 03:03.08 | seaworthy | you helped me already |
| 03:03.13 | seaworthy | with my next steps |
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| 03:03.52 | junoip | debian news -> http://imgchili.com/show/4382/4382030_1253560641833.jpg |
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| 03:09.25 | tux0 | seaworthy http://www.xfce.org/images/about/screenshots/4.8-1.png |
| 03:09.49 | WebDawg | ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/squeeze/main/installer-i386/ why are their a bunch of folders there what does each represent? |
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| 03:10.52 | seaworthy | tux0, thats neat looking, gonna give it a try if gnome-core doesnt work |
| 03:11.55 | seaworthy | btw, is there a debian version that has only system essentials, no evolution and other stuff |
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| 03:14.03 | WebDawg | ? |
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| 03:21.47 | zykotick9 | seaworthy: i consider the netinstall as the "true" debian install, and thus comes with no bloat, just what you want/ask it to install. |
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| 03:22.52 | THE_GFR|WORK | hey everyone |
| 03:23.25 | THE_GFR|WORK | what mount options do I need to set exactly for my drive in gnome under the volume -> mount options to make it read/write for the current user? |
| 03:24.50 | THE_GFR|WORK | what mount options do I need to set exactly for my drive in gnome under the volume -> mount options to make it read/write for the current user, this is for gnome on debian 64-bit |
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| 03:28.40 | somiaj | what file system? |
| 03:28.53 | somiaj | the read/write depends on the file system used for the data |
| 03:29.15 | firebalrog | CDROM would be ro |
| 03:29.48 | THE_GFR|WORK | somiaj: NTFS |
| 03:30.09 | somiaj | you need to install ntfs-3g (since the default ntfs in the kernel doesn't support write to that file system) |
| 03:30.16 | simonlnu | !ntfsrw |
| 03:30.17 | dpkg | NTFS-3G is a userspace driver providing NTFS read and write support. "aptitude install ntfs-3g". Usage examples: http://www.tuxera.com/community/ntfs-3g-download/#usage . Also ask me about <user accessible ntfs>. |
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| 03:30.27 | somiaj | you will then need to use the uid=, and gid= to give ownership/group to what ever id you want |
| 03:31.07 | THE_GFR|WORK | I tried UID=1000 for mine and GID=100 and it failed |
| 03:31.12 | THE_GFR|WORK | I don't know what to do |
| 03:31.45 | somiaj | I use names, uid=username,gid=groupname |
| 03:31.56 | somiaj | but if you don't have ntfs-3g installed you won't get write support |
| 03:32.11 | THE_GFR|WORK | somiaj: I have ntfs-3g installed |
| 03:32.30 | THE_GFR|WORK | somiaj: I tried uid=1000,gid=100 and it says "uid is malformed" |
| 03:33.46 | somiaj | read the man page for mount then, I use the alias for the ids |
| 03:33.59 | THE_GFR|WORK | somiaj: I have but I don't understand |
| 03:34.16 | somiaj | no you haven't you are using the actual number id, though I don't know why that isn't working. |
| 03:34.28 | somiaj | check error logs |
| 03:35.03 | THE_GFR|WORK | it says the mount option is "malformed" |
| 03:35.11 | simonlnu | it's misnamed.. it should be something like user= group= uid= gid= implies numbers. at least coming from an ldap background. |
| 03:35.24 | simonlnu | THE_GFR|WORK: use names |
| 03:35.49 | THE_GFR|WORK | simonlnu: I tried using my name as the uid but it didn't work either |
| 03:36.24 | THE_GFR|WORK | simonlnu: it says "invalid mount options" |
| 03:36.45 | simonlnu | show us the other options you put in (please leave out any potential sensitive info) |
| 03:36.55 | simonlnu | as is |
| 03:36.57 | somiaj | seems the manpage doesn't disnguish what to use, it just sais uid=value but doesn't say if value needs to be a username or the actual id. but uid=somiaj works just fine on my ntfs file systems. Check file errors, why doesn't it work, what errors is it giving you |
| 03:37.52 | somiaj | wonder if its gnome messing with things. Type 'mount /path/to/filesystem /path/to/filepoint -o uid=username' in a console to try to mount it |
| 03:38.05 | THE_GFR|WORK | somiaj: if I use "uid=marcus" it says "option uid is malformed" |
| 03:38.11 | simonlnu | when i had ntfs partitions it used names |
| 03:38.20 | simonlnu | weird |
| 03:38.32 | somiaj | I never tried to use actual uid's I've always used names for both ntfs and vfat file systems. |
| 03:38.37 | simonlnu | what version of mount and fuse do you have? |
| 03:38.37 | THE_GFR|WORK | I'm trying to put this in to the gui portion of the mount options for the volume in gnome |
| 03:38.48 | simonlnu | eh |
| 03:38.57 | THE_GFR|WORK | do you know what I mean? |
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| 03:39.07 | somiaj | THE_GFR|WORK: well do what I said, try it from an actual root command line and make sure its not gnome messing with things, I gave you the command to write |
| 03:39.12 | simonlnu | yes, and that has bugs |
| 03:39.15 | somiaj | (though umount the filesystem first if it is mounted) |
| 03:39.28 | THE_GFR|WORK | somiaj: yea |
| 03:39.30 | THE_GFR|WORK | hold on |
| 03:40.14 | THE_GFR|WORK | somiaj: is path to file system the mount point as in /media/etc |
| 03:40.28 | THE_GFR|WORK | and what do you mean by file point? |
| 03:40.34 | THE_GFR|WORK | filepoint |
| 03:40.38 | THE_GFR|WORK | I'm not sure |
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| 03:40.50 | n-iCe | r8187 or rtl8187 ? |
| 03:40.59 | somiaj | for example mount /dev/sdb3 /mnt -o uid=somiaj |
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| 03:41.10 | Kull | Anyone know how to parse xml in the command line, or convert ity to html? |
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| 03:41.38 | THE_GFR|WORK | somiaj: ah thanks I needed the example to understand :) |
| 03:41.53 | somiaj | Kull: I don't know of a command line tool, but most scripting languanges (perl, python, php, etc) have an xml libary you could use |
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| 03:42.42 | somiaj | Kull: seems there is an xml-twig-tools package |
| 03:42.44 | Kull | somiaj: I have a bunch of .lrf sony ebooks that I want to convert to a format I can read some the command line. I can convert them to lrs (and XML bastard) but I'm lost from there. |
| 03:42.59 | Kull | an XML* |
| 03:42.59 | seaworthy | uuser |
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| 03:44.58 | THE_GFR|WORK | somiaj: when I do that command it no longer shows up on the gnome desktop or in "computer" which I want |
| 03:45.00 | somiaj | Kull: also 'apt-cache show xsltproc' |
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| 03:45.34 | somiaj | THE_GFR|WORK: that command was to see what the issue works, if you can mount it that way it means it is a gnome issue. But at least you know where to look |
| 03:46.11 | THE_GFR|WORK | somiaj: it did work fine from the command-line |
| 03:46.23 | somiaj | so its a gnome issue, it doesn't like the options for some reason |
| 03:46.34 | somiaj | personally I'd use /etc/fstab and command lines to mount my volumes (: |
| 03:47.33 | THE_GFR|WORK | somiaj: what I want is my drive to show up on the gnome desktop I don't care how I get there ( with correct permissions ) |
| 03:47.58 | THE_GFR|WORK | I'd do it under fstab |
| 03:47.59 | THE_GFR|WORK | too |
| 03:48.04 | THE_GFR|WORK | but I don't know if I know how |
| 03:48.04 | zykotick9 | THE_GFR|WORK: FYI using fstab/command line, WON'T show up in Gnome |
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| 03:48.23 | THE_GFR|WORK | zykotick9: I need it on the gnome desktop fyi |
| 03:48.39 | somiaj | well I'd ask gnome people, as opposed to here, the few gnome users out there might be sleeping. I cannot say what to do with these gnome apps, as I don't use that piece of software |
| 03:48.52 | zykotick9 | THE_GFR|WORK: no, you want it on Gnome, need i don't think so ;) |
| 03:48.55 | THE_GFR|WORK | ok |
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| 03:49.11 | THE_GFR|WORK | zykotick9: does not matter if I need it or not, I want it there |
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| 03:50.12 | THE_GFR|WORK | thanks I'll ask in #gnome |
| 03:50.42 | taylorjonl | Anyone know how to install a functional debian system to another partition from an existing debian system? Trying to avoid booting off a cd/usb since the computer is not easy to access. |
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| 03:51.05 | somiaj | taylorjonl: look into debootstrap |
| 03:51.31 | somiaj | taylorjonl: now it won't lead you though a graphical installer, you'll have to chroot into the actuall install and bootstrap it (put a kernel on it, and do some basic things that are done automatically by an installer) |
| 03:51.40 | taylorjonl | somiaj: I have done some reading and tested with that but the system that it installs isn't fully bootable or configured, hoping for an easier way |
| 03:52.25 | somiaj | I think it is an easy way, just read a debootstrap guide to make sure you set up the kernel correctly |
| 03:52.35 | taylorjonl | somiaj: I don't mind *some* leg work but I haven't found good, up-to-date articles on what is required to get it to the same as the debian cds would install |
| 03:53.19 | zykotick9 | taylorjonl: for starters, consult "/msg dpkg debootstrap" |
| 03:53.31 | somiaj | taylorjonl: why don't you have access to the other system? The debian installer (cd/usb) has an ssh option but it would require someone on the system hit a few keys at the start |
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| 03:53.49 | somiaj | if you made a pressed system they would just have to plug the cd in and turn it on |
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| 03:54.19 | taylorjonl | somiaj: I do have access, it just is a pain |
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| 03:54.51 | taylorjonl | and I plan on installing every so often |
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| 03:55.30 | somiaj | I was just giving you that ssh alternative because then it is just like using the debian installer from a remote system, but you have to start the process |
| 03:56.27 | taylorjonl | that is actually how I have been doing it, I think debootstrap is the answer but I just need to find me a good article to explain what is missing |
| 03:56.36 | taylorjonl | then do some experimenting I guess |
| 03:57.08 | somiaj | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apds03.html.en |
| 03:57.17 | somiaj | the offical install guide for 6.0 has a debootstrap section |
| 03:57.44 | taylorjonl | thanks, that is a good one |
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| 03:59.02 | somiaj | that apears to mention everything, though I think the 'MAKEDEV generic' is outdated with udev in squeeze, so you can skip that if you are using udev |
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| 04:04.30 | LinuxApprentice | i need help getting my belkin wireless usb adapter working. dmesg recognizes it when i plug it in but it's not showing on iwconfig |
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| 04:06.29 | somiaj | LinuxApprentice: look at dmesg, debian seperates out non-free firmware blobs, most likely you just need to install the right firmware from non-free |
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| 04:07.45 | LinuxApprentice | somiaj: how do i tell from dmesg? it shows the device |
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| 04:08.08 | LinuxApprentice | maybe i have config issues with interfaces and network manager in gnome |
| 04:08.13 | somiaj | LinuxApprentice: near the end (if you just pluged in) it will tell what device it finds and spits out some messages, it is probabaly saying 'cannot load firmware' |
| 04:08.23 | taylorjonl | somiaj: Is it normal to use udev? |
| 04:08.31 | somiaj | taylorjonl: on debian 6.0 and sooner yes |
| 04:08.39 | LinuxApprentice | somiaj: no it doesn't say anything about can't load firmware |
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| 04:08.43 | somiaj | udev is the default (i'm not sure if you can run it without udev anymore) |
| 04:08.52 | somiaj | LinuxApprentice: do you see the device in '/sbin/ifconfig -a' |
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| 04:09.10 | LinuxApprentice | somiaj: no |
| 04:09.24 | LinuxApprentice | somiaj: i need to bring it up? could it be down ? |
| 04:09.41 | somiaj | LinuxApprentice: if you don't see it in ifconfig -a, your device didn't load correctly so it is nothing about brng it up/down |
| 04:09.51 | somiaj | LinuxApprentice: look though dmesg for any messages about said device when you plug it in |
| 04:10.01 | somiaj | if you plug it in, the messages will be at the very end |
| 04:10.06 | somiaj | if you just pluged it in |
| 04:10.22 | LinuxApprentice | i see them |
| 04:10.58 | LinuxApprentice | it says new usb device found. it lists the product, manufacturer,serial num and says configuration #1 chosen from 1 devfice |
| 04:11.06 | LinuxApprentice | *from 1 choice |
| 04:11.45 | somiaj | but it doesn't say what module was loaded...it could be that you don't have the correct module on your kernel for that device |
| 04:11.59 | LinuxApprentice | how can i install the module |
| 04:12.23 | somiaj | depends on the device, lspci, figure out the actual device chipset, do a google search |
| 04:12.54 | LinuxApprentice | it's not listed under lspci |
| 04:13.18 | somiaj | oh yea, duh!! cause it is listed under lsusb |
| 04:13.19 | LinuxApprentice | the ethernet controller is that the nic or the usb adapter? |
| 04:13.43 | LinuxApprentice | realtek rtl8188su |
| 04:13.46 | LinuxApprentice | i will search |
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| 04:14.11 | somiaj | http://wiki.debian.org/rtl819x |
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| 04:22.11 | junoip870 | SOPA wins :S -> http://adf.ly/50eZt |
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| 04:26.08 | LinuxApprentice | somiaj: still not working |
| 04:26.13 | LinuxApprentice | i installed the firmware |
| 04:26.55 | LinuxApprentice | hmm |
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| 04:29.24 | LinuxApprentice | i don't think the module is loaded |
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| 04:30.20 | Ivoz | Hi there, I'm trying to install from http://ftp.osuosl.org/pub/mariadb/repo/5.3/debian/dists/squeeze/main/binary-amd64/Packages but mariadb-common is telling me that it has no candidate packages |
| 04:30.42 | Ivoz | If I try to install mysql-common it gets it from dotdeb, which is another source I have. |
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| 04:31.34 | somiaj | LinuxApprentice: maybe put a copy of dmesg at paste.debian.net after you plugin the device and someone may reconize what the issue is |
| 04:32.13 | Ivoz | apt-get -s install -t mariadb-5.3 mysql-common still tells me it's getting it from dotdeb |
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| 04:34.13 | viru007 | hello anybody thier in this room? |
| 04:34.23 | THE_GFR|WORK | no |
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| 04:39.58 | nowhereFast | is this how its typically configured? |
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| 04:50.20 | chaospsychex | should i have my wireless usb adapter defined in interfaces.conf ? |
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| 04:51.39 | nvz | wth is interfaces.conf? |
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| 04:52.13 | chaospsychex | lol oops |
| 04:52.17 | karlpinc | chaospsychex: Depends. You can surely put it there with noauto and use ifup/ifdown to turn it on/off. |
| 04:53.01 | chaospsychex | karlpinc: it will be wlan0? so i add 'wlan0 noauto' ? |
| 04:53.02 | karlpinc | chaospsychex: Or you can manage it outside of the usual debian way using something like wicd. (And that's about all I know about wireless.) |
| 04:53.16 | chaospsychex | karlpinc: wicd gave me some error |
| 04:53.45 | Geekthras | hello. I tried installing squeeze on my laptop and when I try to install any packages (vim, xfce4 so far), I get 'no candidate version found for xfce |
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| 04:54.08 | Geekthras | I've aptitude updated but to no luck |
| 04:54.16 | karlpinc | Geekthras: So you installed and have a base system? |
| 04:54.40 | nvz | !+info xfce |
| 04:54.42 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 04:54.48 | Geekthras | I've installed and have booted into a graphical (GNOME) session |
| 04:54.50 | dpkg | Package 'xfce' does not exist. |
| 04:55.08 | nvz | helps to use packages that exist |
| 04:55.16 | Geekthras | sorry, 'no candidate version found for xfce4' |
| 04:55.24 | Geekthras | hit enter prematurely, still getting used to this keyboard |
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| 04:56.02 | karlpinc | Geekthras: And the box is on the net, right? |
| 04:56.35 | Geekthras | yeah, I'm on it right now |
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| 04:56.54 | Geekthras | http://pastebin.com/Va1KLZnE <-- here's my /etc/apt/sources.list if it's helpful |
| 04:56.59 | karlpinc | Geekthras: (Well that's proof of concept. :) |
| 04:57.48 | THE_GFR|WORK | hey everyone I'm still trying to get gnome to mount my removable drive correctly anyone know what commands I need to add to the GUI volume mount options for it to be mounted for the currently logged in user and give that non-root user R/W access to the NTFS drive? |
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| 04:59.27 | nvz | THE_GFR|WORK: well if you mount it manually, use -o uid=1000 or whatever the uid of the user is |
| 04:59.29 | chaospsychex | karlpinc: how do i add wlan0 to /etc/network/interfaces? syntax? |
| 04:59.39 | karlpinc | Geekthras: You've got lines for squeeze/updates but not for squeeze itself. Unless I'm reading it wrong. |
| 04:59.46 | Geekthras | oh |
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| 05:00.12 | nvz | THE_GFR|WORK: if you want the automount to work, you would have to create a group such as nftsusers and pass that gid via gconf and add all users to that group who need access to ntfs |
| 05:00.15 | karlpinc | chaospsychex: You'd have to "man interfaces". But wireless requires more configuration and I can't help. |
| 05:00.25 | Geekthras | I've never used debian, only ubuntu and gentoo >_> |
| 05:00.44 | chaospsychex | Geekthras: what are you trying to do? |
| 05:00.47 | kwame | Hi, I have a workstation with only a wireless connection |
| 05:00.47 | karlpinc | Geekthras: I'd have thought that the installer would have done it for you.... |
| 05:01.05 | kwame | I already installed, configured kvm and got a couple of Vms running |
| 05:01.06 | Geekthras | you'd think but it acgtually had all my sources commented out |
| 05:01.12 | chaospsychex | kwame: lol, let me guess. realtek chipset? |
| 05:01.20 | karlpinc | !tell Geekthras about sources.list |
| 05:01.43 | kwame | but instead of the VMs being natted I want them to be bridged, but the documentation on how to do it with only one wireless nic it´s not clear enough |
| 05:01.55 | kwame | chaospsychex: indeed |
| 05:02.11 | chaospsychex | kwame: i can help u, explain what you are trying to achieve? |
| 05:02.14 | Geekthras | that fixed it |
| 05:02.27 | karlpinc | Geekthras: There's an example there. But you also probably want to use a mirror that's closer to you/for your country. |
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| 05:02.37 | kwame | chaospsychex: both VMs already can ping the world, but as I said they are natted |
| 05:02.42 | karlpinc | !tell Geekthras about mirrors |
| 05:02.46 | kwame | I want them to be bridged |
| 05:02.56 | kwame | my local lan is 192.168.50.0/24 |
| 05:03.01 | karlpinc | Geekthras: Since you're new you might want to checkout the <overview> factoid. |
| 05:03.06 | karlpinc | !tell Geekthras about overview |
| 05:03.11 | kwame | my VMs right now are 192.168.100/24 (natted) |
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| 05:03.23 | kwame | chaospsychex: does that make sense? |
| 05:03.23 | Geekthras | thank you |
| 05:03.26 | chaospsychex | kwame: why do you want them to be bridged if they have external access? |
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| 05:03.42 | kwame | chaospsychex: because I want other boxes inside my lan to be able to acess them |
| 05:03.56 | karlpinc | Geekthras: What I usually do is have a close/fast mirror first, then my country mirror. That way if the first is down I always get something. But it does make "aptitude update" take longer. |
| 05:04.01 | kwame | right now, only from the host I can ssh into them and access any other service |
| 05:04.19 | chaospsychex | kwame: so other systems can't ping the VMs ? |
| 05:04.27 | mortal1 | hello all, has anyone ever setup whole disk encryption on debian with a seperate partition for / and /home? |
| 05:04.34 | kwame | chaospsychex: correct |
| 05:04.43 | karlpinc | kwame: If you're natting then wouldn't you want to route into the vms instead of bridging? |
| 05:04.52 | karlpinc | !tell mortal1 about anyone |
| 05:05.04 | chaospsychex | kwame: give me a second, i have to get up off the floor because i am using eth0 |
| 05:05.29 | kwame | karlpinc: well, that would be another option |
| 05:05.38 | mortal1 | I want to do this, but I'd like one password to unlock the machine, is this possible? |
| 05:05.43 | nvz | mortal1: you'd likely want an unencrypted /boot if you want to.. well, boot.. heh.. |
| 05:05.58 | mortal1 | nvz: right of course |
| 05:06.13 | nvz | mortal1: you would just encrypt the LVM and put both partitions inside it.. one password.. |
| 05:06.21 | kwame | karlpinc: but instead of adding routes and so I would prefer for the boxes to be bridged |
| 05:06.32 | mortal1 | nods |
| 05:06.37 | mortal1 | cool |
| 05:06.38 | karlpinc | mortal1: Sure, the password that decrypts the disk. That's what luks/cryptsetup does. The installer will do it. |
| 05:06.58 | nvz | mortal1: I dropped my computer and ruined my HDD before I had it setup but thats how I did mine, and was going to setup an SD card to use as a key that unlocked the machine |
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| 05:07.25 | karlpinc | kwame: Then you can't nat. The vms need to be on your regular network, or a subnet thereof. |
| 05:07.48 | karlpinc | kwame: Well, you _could_ nat, but why? |
| 05:08.14 | mortal1 | now, for my next question. having done this, would you be able to install a newer version of debian and keep your /home partition? |
| 05:08.50 | mortal1 | that's my real goal here, to not have to restore hundreds of GB of data to a drive |
| 05:08.56 | kwame | I was reading this http://wiki.debian.org/BridgeNetworkConnections#ebtables_Overview but inthere it takes for granted that you have a eth0 and wlan0 interface |
| 05:08.59 | kwame | I only have wlan0 |
| 05:09.09 | karlpinc | mortal1: Debian upgrades, so you don't need to worry about home partitions. |
| 05:10.03 | chaospsychex | kwame: explain your network topography |
| 05:10.12 | karlpinc | mortal1: The only time you'd have trouble is if the encryption in the new kernel is not compatible with the old on-disk format. That seems unlikely to ever happen unless there's some serious security flaw discovered that forces such a change. |
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| 05:10.27 | mortal1 | karlpinc: I'm an old slackware user, for some reason I like reformatting my / partition. Force of habit ;^) |
| 05:10.34 | karlpinc | mortal1: Be sure to read the release notes when upgrading. |
| 05:10.42 | karlpinc | mortal1: Nothing wrong with a re-install. |
| 05:10.48 | kwame | chaospsychex: ccablemodem connection, connected to my wireles router giving out IPs on 192.168.50.0/24 |
| 05:10.57 | kwame | chaospsychex: that's about it |
| 05:11.34 | mortal1 | karlpinc: hey I heard that you can do ppa source on debian now? |
| 05:11.36 | chaospsychex | kwame: are you using vbox? |
| 05:11.37 | karlpinc | mortal1: Note also that there's nothing like backups. Backups will get you through times of no luks header better than a luks header will get you through times of no backups. |
| 05:11.41 | kwame | chaospsychex: my 2 VMs are currently natted, but I would like them to be bridged |
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| 05:11.44 | kwame | chaospsychex: no, KVM |
| 05:12.05 | karlpinc | mortal1: There's a #debian-ppa channel iirc. See also the architecture link on debian.org. (IIRC) |
| 05:12.06 | DanDare | Hello. I just installed fvwm (squeeze), how to setup startx ? |
| 05:12.16 | mortal1 | cool |
| 05:12.21 | DanDare | I type startx and get "command not found" |
| 05:12.29 | somiaj | DanDare: what did you install beyond the base system? i.e. did you install a desktop enviorment? |
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| 05:12.52 | somiaj | DanDare: you can either use tasksel to install a desktop enviorment, or aptitude install the window manager, xorg server/client packages you want to use |
| 05:12.57 | DanDare | somiaj, its just a VPS I just got access. Not sue whats installed by default |
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| 05:13.12 | mortal1 | karlpinc: I need to get a NAS that also supports encryption |
| 05:13.17 | DanDare | I remember this being automatic by installin fvwm in the past |
| 05:13.34 | DanDare | Ok, thanks |
| 05:13.38 | nvz | DanDare: you probably don't want to run X on a remote server |
| 05:13.45 | mortal1 | or i could just be cheap/lazy and buy an external hard drive |
| 05:13.45 | DanDare | nvz, yeah I know |
| 05:13.52 | nvz | I don't think you do |
| 05:13.55 | DanDare | nvz, but will do it eventually using vncserver |
| 05:14.02 | mortal1 | be back in a bit |
| 05:14.08 | nvz | vncserver is not X |
| 05:14.10 | DanDare | yeah, dont need startx anyway |
| 05:14.15 | DanDare | youre right |
| 05:14.34 | karlpinc | mortal1: Or just use an old computer with/without an external hard drive and use rsnapshot/rsync/whatever. |
| 05:14.39 | somiaj | you will need like xorg-xserver-core and your WM |
| 05:15.00 | karlpinc | (startx is in xinit, fwiw) |
| 05:15.03 | chaospsychex | kwame: u need to setup routing on the host for the VMs |
| 05:15.26 | chaospsychex | i don't know how to do this using kvm i use vbox |
| 05:15.38 | DanDare | karlpinc, thanks |
| 05:15.40 | karlpinc | chaospsychex: For some reason he claims to want to bridge. Sounds inefficient to me. |
| 05:15.54 | chaospsychex | karlpinc: i don't understand why he wants to do that either |
| 05:16.14 | chaospsychex | i don't understand why you can't ping the VMs from other boxes |
| 05:16.31 | karlpinc | chaospsychex: Is ip forwarding on in sysctl? |
| 05:17.17 | kwame | chaospsychex: with iptables? |
| 05:17.37 | karlpinc | kwame: You can't brige or route without turning forwarding on. |
| 05:18.28 | chaospsychex | kwame: yes u need to mess with iptables and install the bridge util |
| 05:19.11 | karlpinc | prefers using ferm to raw iptables, although it is not a substitue for knowing what you're doing. |
| 05:19.44 | karlpinc | !tell DanDare about apt-file |
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| 05:20.25 | chaospsychex | kwame: when u bridge the nics of the VMs you need to set ipforwarding/routing over wlan0 |
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| 05:21.06 | karlpinc | chaospsychex: Why routing? |
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| 05:25.09 | chaospsychex | kwame: u already have them bridged but can't ping them from other boxes correct? |
| 05:25.16 | chaospsychex | that's where i was confused |
| 05:25.40 | chaospsychex | i thought he hadn't bridged them yet and couldn't ping them. if he was using nat he would be able to ping them |
| 05:25.53 | karlpinc | kwame: It's probably broken because you're natting, so arp is broken. |
| 05:27.01 | WebDawg | ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/squeeze/main/installer-i386/ |
| 05:27.13 | WebDawg | Can someone let me know what the difference between all these folders is? |
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| 05:27.32 | karlpinc | chaospsychex: If he's natting then he's bridging into a different network, which puts two networks on one "wire". But that only works if you don't NAT, and have a router to bounce off of to route to the different network. |
| 05:27.49 | karlpinc | WebDawg: What are you trying to do? |
| 05:28.06 | namoamitabuddha | Is there any way to replace the downloader of aptitude? |
| 05:28.39 | karlpinc | namoamitabuddha: What do you mean? What are you trying to do? |
| 05:28.56 | nvz | WebDawg: what is it that you are trying to do? |
| 05:29.00 | namoamitabuddha | karlpinc: aptitude downloads slowly. |
| 05:29.01 | WebDawg | dammit. |
| 05:29.18 | karlpinc | namoamitabuddha: You probably want a different mirror. |
| 05:29.24 | karlpinc | !tell namoamitabuddha about mirrors |
| 05:29.31 | karlpinc | !tell namoamitabuddha about sources.list |
| 05:29.32 | namoamitabuddha | karlpinc: oh, no |
| 05:29.37 | WebDawg | I am trying to figure out why debian has 4 different installers. |
| 05:29.51 | karlpinc | !tell WebDawg about ig |
| 05:29.57 | WebDawg | with no description file in the dir. |
| 05:30.22 | nvz | WebDawg: none of them is what you should use to install debian.. so.. |
| 05:30.32 | namoamitabuddha | karlpinc: I want a multi-thread downloader. The environment of the network is not stable. |
| 05:30.53 | karlpinc | namoamitabuddha: I see. |
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| 05:32.13 | karlpinc | namoamitabuddha: It does not pick up where it left off after partial downloads? |
| 05:33.11 | karlpinc | namoamitabuddha: I'm not sure why you want something multi-threaded. If the network goes out none of the threads will be able to download anyway. |
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| 05:34.19 | taylorjonl | If I want to copy the users from my existing system to a chroot system, how can I do that? |
| 05:34.44 | nvz | taylorjonl: cp comes in handy |
| 05:35.06 | taylorjonl | nvz: What file are they stored in in /etc? |
| 05:35.18 | namoamitabuddha | karlpinc: I sometimes use the common network while sombody else watching TV online, my network slows down. |
| 05:35.53 | nvz | taylorjonl: passwd, shadow, group ... |
| 05:36.50 | taylorjonl | Home dirs will be missing, right? Is that an issue? |
| 05:37.03 | WebDawg | so bigmem is just PAE? |
| 05:37.20 | karlpinc | taylorjonl: gshadow too |
| 05:37.23 | nvz | taylorjonl: idk, you're the one who knows what you're doing here.. |
| 05:37.24 | karlpinc | WebDawg: yes. |
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| 05:39.08 | karlpinc | namoamitabuddha: If you use a faster mirror you should be able to get more of the bandwidth. Unless the tv is doing something "bad". |
| 05:40.21 | karlpinc | namoamitabuddha: You might look at "man apt.conf" to see if there's not a config parameter for how many concurrent connections you can establish. |
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| 05:45.05 | karlpinc | namoamitabuddha: "aptitude search apt" reveals apt-p2p, apt-transport-debtorrent. There's also the debtorrent package. You may find the debtags package useful for searching as well. |
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| 05:48.34 | karlpinc | namoamitabuddha: (And if your ISP is traffic shaping you're screwed.) |
| 05:49.16 | nvz | in Soviet Russia traffic shapes YOU! |
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| 05:50.38 | Geekthras | argh |
| 05:50.43 | Geekthras | did not detect all of my video modes |
| 05:50.52 | Geekthras | stuck at 1024x768 instead of 1600x900 |
| 05:50.53 | Geekthras | >.< |
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| 05:52.11 | THE_GFR|WORK | when adding mounting options in Nautilus I get "option uid is malformed" what did I do wrong? |
| 05:52.36 | karlpinc | Geekthras: There's xrandr (and xvidtune). But I forget how they work or what to do with them. :-P |
| 05:53.01 | Geekthras | <_< |
| 05:53.24 | karlpinc | Geekthras: You might also look in your /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 05:54.50 | Geekthras | I tried adding 1600x900 to xrandr but it gave me an error when I tried ti switch to it |
| 05:54.54 | namoamitabuddha | karlpinc: p2p here is bad. |
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| 05:55.44 | karlpinc | namoamitabuddha: I'd start by using the fastest mirror possible. |
| 05:56.03 | namoamitabuddha | karlpinc: I'm using the mirror nearby. |
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| 05:56.44 | karlpinc | namoamitabuddha: That's not always the fastest. (Even though it's nice on the network to use a network-close mirror.) |
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| 05:57.09 | namoamitabuddha | karlpinc: I see. |
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| 05:57.54 | karlpinc | namoamitabuddha: Sometimes server load/server bandwidth matters. |
| 05:59.58 | karlpinc | namoamitabuddha: (Often these days.) I have good luck with servers in Germany or Switzerland. |
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| 06:00.26 | namoamitabuddha | karlpinc: I know what you mean. I use synaptics to detect the fastest mirror. Is it right? You don't know that the people here are using multi-thread downloaders even leecher. |
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| 06:01.26 | karlpinc | namoamitabuddha: I suspect synaptics is finding the network-close mirror, but I don't know. |
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| 06:03.33 | namoamitabuddha | karlpinc: No. I don't know the details, but I saw that it showed the time of something, and said xxx (a mirror) won. |
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| 06:08.27 | karlpinc | namoamitabuddha: Probably measuring round-trip time. |
| 06:08.52 | namoamitabuddha | karlpinc: traceroute? |
| 06:09.46 | karlpinc | namoamitabuddha: ping |
| 06:09.59 | namoamitabuddha | karlpinc: Oh, what about apt-spy? |
| 06:11.48 | karlpinc | namoamitabuddha: I think they all do network latency. You want a server with high bandwidth off the disks and lots of network bandwidth close to a major Internet NAP. |
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| 06:12.23 | karlpinc | namoamitabuddha: You could also file a bug report against apt (or look to see if one already exists). |
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| 06:13.57 | namoamitabuddha | karlpinc: Bug report? Is it too serious? |
| 06:14.20 | karlpinc | namoamitabuddha: That's how you request new features. |
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| 06:15.06 | namoamitabuddha | karlpinc: Thanks. I'll try. |
| 06:17.59 | namoamitabuddha | karlpinc: By the way, I think the unix programs are using pipes to connect with each other. So it's not neccessary for aptitude to write a downloader. It can communicate with wget, axel and etc to download. |
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| 06:18.23 | namoamitabuddha | karlpinc: s/write/be/ |
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| 06:21.43 | skyjumper | just updated debian-testing to kernel 3.1, now routing (outbound and nat) is broken to a kvm instance |
| 06:21.51 | skyjumper | any ideas? |
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| 06:28.49 | THE_GFR|WORK | how do you mount an NTFS drive as a different user? |
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| 06:30.22 | skyjumper | THE_GFR|WORK: ntfs-3g? |
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| 06:32.53 | THE_GFR|WORK | skyjumper: yea |
| 06:33.19 | THE_GFR|WORK | skyjumper: right now in nautilus it says I do not have permission to mount or unmount the NTFS drive only root can |
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| 06:36.46 | skyjumper | THE_GFR|WORK: i think i saw that in ubuntu a long time ago, was a bug |
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| 06:39.27 | Geekthras | THE_GFR|WORK: check that it has the user flag in your fstab? |
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| 06:40.46 | hyper_ch | hi there, I try to create an installable usb-stick with squeeze netinstall image. However I always get the message that it can't be booted. currently I use fat32 as FS... should I try with fat16? |
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| 06:41.39 | hyper_ch | and I followed this howto: http://linux.simple.be/debian/usb |
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| 06:53.13 | Vasistha | or would it be better to use a ppd with foomatic? |
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| 07:15.07 | tux0 | Vasistha linuxprinting.org |
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| 07:15.16 | Vasistha | thanks |
| 07:15.23 | Vasistha | skilz: /etc/hosts |
| 07:15.32 | skilz | say my server hostname is 'tiger' and ip '192.168.0.3' I wat to ssh to it with tiger |
| 07:15.33 | skilz | thanks |
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| 07:19.00 | tux0 | Vasistha http://www.openprinting.org/printers/ |
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| 07:19.17 | Vasistha | thanks again, tux0 |
| 07:19.26 | AllStruck | skilz: /etc/hosts |
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| 07:19.33 | tux0 | Vasistha linuxprinting.org has changed since the kernel.org breach |
| 07:20.00 | tux0 | didn't know that before sorry :\ :) |
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| 07:21.05 | Vasistha | tux0: changed since the kernel.org breach... um... changed how? is this something that should concern me? |
| 07:21.50 | skilz | :) |
| 07:21.53 | tux0 | nope |
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| 07:22.24 | tux0 | Vasistha is changed in that linuxprinting.org redirects you somewhere else now :) |
| 07:22.30 | tux0 | Vasistha http://www.openprinting.org/printers/ |
| 07:22.33 | tux0 | go there though |
| 07:22.51 | Vasistha | I think I've got what I need :-) thanks |
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| 07:24.31 | Vasistha | looks like debian's foomatic package includes it automatically now! |
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| 07:24.46 | Vasistha | or maybe it was one of the other packages I installed |
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| 07:26.25 | Vasistha | nope, foomatic-db FTW :-) |
| 07:26.46 | Vasistha | some parts of debian just get better and better with every new version |
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| 08:08.44 | admin0 | hi .. i have raid1 my disk via bios .. when I install centos, it shows just single disk given by the bios in raid, but when i try to install debian, it sees both as independent disk and asks me in which to add |
| 08:08.52 | admin0 | debian does not support bios/fake raid ? |
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| 08:58.56 | ruttiger | Anyone here wanna help a complete Debian newbie? |
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| 08:59.13 | nsadmin | is she Jessica Alba? |
| 08:59.29 | Mr_Queue | ruttiger: http://wiki.debian.org/ |
| 08:59.45 | Mr_Queue | been helping newbies for a while now. |
| 09:00.04 | ruttiger | thank you, that's a good start |
| 09:00.34 | nsadmin | ruttiger, ok, first, when you ask questions, they need content. they need to be specific, informative, concise complete, on topic. |
| 09:00.37 | nsadmin | in short... |
| 09:00.39 | nsadmin | sicco |
| 09:01.09 | ruttiger | Alright, well I'll do my best in that regard, but not knowing what I'm talking about makes it difficult to ask clear concise questions |
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| 09:01.26 | nsadmin | ok, let's take a small ride... |
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| 09:01.42 | nsadmin | first, what is your interest and purpose with linux and debian? |
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| 09:03.08 | nsadmin | and for this moment right now, what is one project you want to finish? |
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| 09:03.43 | ruttiger | I'm a firm believer in the use of free software and my girlfriend recently provided me with a "simple" means of installing debian. Right now my primary goal is to get sound working. |
| 09:05.21 | nsadmin | ok... a word of advice re: free software... it's just that there is a tradeoff... you get the software for free... and often, you 're paying in your time spent learning about it, and dealing with any warts or idiosyncracies |
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| 09:05.45 | nsadmin | so other than debian, has there been any other free operating systems that you have used? |
| 09:06.02 | ruttiger | I'm fine with a little time spent learning, I've never had an issue with that. This is a large and intimidating subject, however. No, this is pretty much the first. |
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| 09:07.14 | nsadmin | yes, it's large, and you will need to make decisions as to what you want to tackle first (other than the sound issue, that sounds on the surface like it might be easy and quick |
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| 09:08.03 | nkuttler | ruttiger: so what do you see when you run alsamixer? |
| 09:08.40 | nsadmin | one school of thought suggests that if you learn some individual unix-style commands and also learn the shell, you'll go really far towards getting a core foundation so that each new thing is learned in the context of that core foundation |
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| 09:10.34 | ruttiger | Well, I've got a few basic unix style commands under control already, the basics, the directory structure, cat, I've been shown how to add packages from the command line by a friend. |
| 09:11.11 | ruttiger | as for alsamixer, it comes up with HD-audio generic, there's only one item s/pdif which is set to ff and I cannot change it. There are other cards in the list though. |
| 09:11.18 | nsadmin | good... the directory structure is an important part of the core |
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| 09:11.49 | ruttiger | Switching to my Intel ICH6 I see many options, and volume levels, which are all set to full. |
| 09:13.23 | nsadmin | how do you feel when you read man pages? total greek? useful? not? cryptic? |
| 09:13.37 | Woet | i feel completely greek. |
| 09:13.54 | colo-work | i feel totally Austrian. |
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| 09:14.40 | ruttiger | I don't generally have trouble understanding switches, but for anything other than basic commands there's generally at least 4 or 5 terms I'm not familiar with. |
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| 09:15.31 | nsadmin | ok, what happens then? (and yes, I get that it depends on whether it seems relevent to you) |
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| 09:17.54 | ruttiger | what happens then? Well if it's something I need to know to complete the task at hand, I use google and look it up. Or I ask for assistance from someone I know knows the system. |
| 09:18.23 | nsadmin | ok, well then, you're already not a complete newbie |
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| 09:19.05 | nkuttler | ruttiger: the channels could still be muted |
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| 09:21.46 | ruttiger | just turned on... well, everything that was muted. Still no sound output, unfortunately. |
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| 09:26.23 | milligan | I've got a machine here where top/uptime reports the average load to be ~26.00 ... However, looking at the process list in top, there is nothing hogging CPU or memory. Any ideas why the load average might be so high ? |
| 09:26.49 | Guest55407 | outstanding IO... typical for Webserver or SMTP Server |
| 09:27.15 | nsadmin | so your greatest asset wrt debian and linux is you understand the process of doing research, which you'd have to do from time to time at minimum |
| 09:27.29 | nsadmin | and you're also willing |
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| 09:28.23 | machinist | Can anybody tell me an instant messaging gateway (alternatvie zu BitlBee)? |
| 09:28.43 | milligan | ChrisH, the machine does indeed act as a mail relay server.. you reckon it's IO then? The machine is swapping, but only "144k used", and it's sitting pretty stable at that. |
| 09:28.54 | colo-work | machinist, many xmpp servers can "translate" a number of IM and communication protocols to XMPP. |
| 09:28.59 | colo-work | if that is what you are after. |
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| 09:31.16 | ChrisH | milligan: This is quite normal behaviuor for SMTP Servers. If the system reacts at normal speed, then its OK. You might be able to match the number of sendmail processes to the loadfigure. (replace sendmail with used mailer) |
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| 09:32.08 | machinist | colo-work, thankx, that's it, |
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| 09:34.46 | milligan | ChrisH, alright .. what's the explanation for the load being so high though? :) The machine is working nicely as you say, and response time is more than satisfying. |
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| 09:39.13 | ChrisH | milligan, Each Mail process which did send out a mail or is just trying to send out a mail is a process which is in state runnable and so called short sleepers and count for the load. Load means numbers of runnable processes per time period. OK? |
| 09:39.32 | milligan | ChrisH, cheers |
| 09:40.23 | ChrisH | I searched google for a more detailed explanation, but did not find one. |
| 09:40.34 | milligan | More than sufficient. Makes perfect sense. |
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| 09:41.42 | ChrisH | Only caveate is, st least sendmail refuses to accept mail if load if above a given value. I never run a loaded production mailserver with any other MTA. |
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| 09:42.54 | milligan | postfix for the win |
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| 10:03.10 | guardian1 | hi, i added a /dev/sdb1 mount point in my /etc/fstab. how do i replace /dev/sdb1 by a UUID? is there a command that would modify /etc/fstab for me? |
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| 10:04.47 | naet | guardian1: grab the UUID line from the output of the command blkid |
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| 10:17.03 | pippo | !ciao |
| 10:17.03 | dpkg | i heard ciao is both hello and goodbye (casual), or a slow and old but widely known Prolog interpreter. |
| 10:17.14 | pippo | !list |
| 10:17.14 | dpkg | VATTENE VIA! |
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| 10:17.45 | colo-work | ... |
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| 10:25.26 | man_in_shack | waves |
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| 10:28.55 | man_in_shack | so i'm trying to do some subtitles for video files |
| 10:29.26 | man_in_shack | i installed "subtitleeditor", but when i load this mp4/h264 file, i get this: http://paste.debian.net/153684/ |
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| 10:29.55 | jasonsmr | Kevin` ping |
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| 10:30.31 | KamZou | Hello, i've a problem since few months with my bind 9.4.2, sometimes when i try to resolv a google domain (maps ... youtube ...) i got this error : ";; Truncated, retrying in TCP mode." Any idea ? |
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| 10:32.50 | man_in_shack | so, any suggestions for how i can get subtitleeditor to work? |
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| 10:39.43 | thewanderer1 | KamZou, the response was too big for a UDP packet and the resolver needs to use a TCP stream to push the whole thing through |
| 10:40.22 | KamZou | thewanderer1, the problem happens randomly on the same sub domain |
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| 10:41.48 | thewanderer1 | KamZou, it doesn't sound like a serious problem, DNS over TCP is fine |
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| 10:44.17 | TimmyT | i have debian 6 on my laptop. wireless is enabled in the network manager,but it can find wireless networks.ifconfig says there are only 2 interfaces,lo and eth0. but ifconfig -a says wlan0 exists too.how can i solve it? |
| 10:45.48 | man_in_shack | TimmyT: do you have a wifi kill switch? |
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| 10:46.42 | KamZou` | thewanderer1, but it "blocks" when trying to request a resolution |
| 10:46.53 | TimmyT | man_in_shack: yes. and i've checked that before |
| 10:46.55 | KamZou` | do i have something to do to tell to use tcp ? |
| 10:47.15 | KamZou` | why only google domains are impacted, not even one from rest of the web ? |
| 10:47.33 | petemc | KamZou`: can you not resolve google domains? |
| 10:47.47 | thewanderer1 | KamZou`, maybe Google's responses are bigger than anything else? |
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| 10:47.58 | man_in_shack | TimmyT: try ifconfig wlan0 up |
| 10:48.01 | man_in_shack | see what happenes |
| 10:48.25 | KamZou` | petemc, it's a random thing |
| 10:48.42 | KamZou` | once it resolves correctly all IP's for maps.google.com |
| 10:49.11 | KamZou` | few mns later, i got a "truncated ... " error |
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| 10:50.08 | petemc | i get random messages from bind about truncated packets but see no issues with resolving |
| 10:50.11 | petemc | so i ignore them |
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| 10:50.47 | KamZou` | petemc, so ... i just can't navigate / use the services ... |
| 10:50.56 | KamZou` | I can't juste "ignore them" |
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| 10:53.16 | edogawaconan | help |
| 10:53.27 | edogawaconan | I accidentally chown someuser:someuser / |
| 10:53.35 | edogawaconan | how can I fix it? |
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| 10:53.50 | edogawaconan | *chown -R |
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| 10:53.55 | edogawaconan | as root |
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| 10:54.37 | themill | restoring from backup is sometimes the easieset |
| 10:55.18 | edogawaconan | no other way? |
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| 10:58.18 | themill | if you can get aptitude and dpkg working again, then "aptitude reinstall ~i" will probably fix most of the packages (it might not fix all files under /etc though). There's no way of knowing what the group membership of other files should be though, e.g. stuff in /home |
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| 10:58.48 | themill | And if you don't have a root shell still open, this is all going to be much harder... |
| 10:59.40 | skilz | Any good guides for installing debian on 700mhz eMac G4? |
| 10:59.44 | skilz | ppc |
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| 10:59.55 | edogawaconan | well |
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| 11:00.04 | edogawaconan | it's mostly fixed |
| 11:00.12 | skilz | ok |
| 11:00.22 | edogawaconan | I just need to make sure I didn't miss any setuid and /var permissions |
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| 11:00.55 | skilz | I just had a huge nightmare trying to install gentoo, compiled the kernel 6 times over 2 daays |
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| 11:01.55 | edogawaconan | I guess I'll go with aptitude reinstall |
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| 11:02.11 | joe534 | am i in here |
| 11:02.16 | joe534 | yep i am |
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| 11:03.44 | edogawaconan | E: Could not perform immediate configuration on 'bash'. Please see man 5 apt.conf under APT::Immediate-Configure for details. (2) |
| 11:03.57 | edogawaconan | um |
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| 11:10.46 | darsie | Hi! I'd like to have a more recent iceweasel. |
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| 11:13.25 | xand | is "naughty" and runs Firefox on debian, downloaded from mozilla's FTP server (the website doesn't link to the 64-bit build) |
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| 11:14.44 | _x_X_X_x_ | hii |
| 11:15.08 | _x_X_X_x_ | i have debian 6 and lighttpd server |
| 11:15.27 | _x_X_X_x_ | and the file var/log/lighttpd/access.log is empty |
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| 11:15.42 | _x_X_X_x_ | how i can start the logging? |
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| 11:16.30 | joe534 | _x_X_X_x_: should be some setup in /etc.. ligthttpd or something. to trigger logging |
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| 11:17.58 | _x_X_X_x_ | in the lighttpd channel send me that link http://redmine.lighttpd.net/projects/lighttpd/wiki/Docs:ModAccessLog but i dont have idea what to do with that. |
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| 11:21.03 | rohdee | ok |
| 11:21.14 | _x_X_X_x_ | this is my conf |
| 11:21.18 | rohdee | I accidentally overwrote my entire lib directory with .so versions from a newer debian release |
| 11:21.19 | _x_X_X_x_ | http://pastebin.com/8iUwQXdy |
| 11:21.31 | rohdee | now it says: -sh: cpio: Accessing a corrupted shared library |
| 11:21.36 | rohdee | sleep |
| 11:21.42 | rohdee | -sh: sleep: Accessing a corrupted shared library |
| 11:22.02 | rohdee | I can't run anything, and I'm afraid if I reboot, I'll make it so I have to reinstall or mess it up |
| 11:22.04 | rohdee | please help me out |
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| 11:22.55 | rohdee | ok |
| 11:23.02 | rohdee | Where's a good palce to ask questions |
| 11:23.16 | rohdee | damn ass |
| 11:23.19 | metaspike | rohdee: by the sounds of it, it would probably be easier to reinstall |
| 11:23.34 | rohdee | yeah, but here's the problem: the computer is remote, it would take me several hours to get to that computer |
| 11:23.50 | rohdee | any other ideas? since I did that, I can't FTP in even with an ftp server running |
| 11:25.33 | joe534 | rohdee: /lib you overwrote ? |
| 11:25.44 | joe534 | rohdee: i don't have any idea so far, just trying to weight the exact situation |
| 11:25.59 | rohdee | yes |
| 11:26.07 | rohdee | well I have web access, which is a start |
| 11:26.14 | rohdee | But my web server has no upload download scripts |
| 11:26.17 | joe534 | rohdee: any other directory or only that one |
| 11:26.55 | rohdee | only /lib |
| 11:27.03 | joe534 | scp ? telnet ?? |
| 11:27.08 | rohdee | I overwrote it with libc6 from a later release of debian |
| 11:27.31 | rohdee | telnet crashes |
| 11:27.59 | joe534 | as long.. as some tools are in memory, daemon, servers they will work.. because libs are in memory |
| 11:28.15 | rohdee | hmm |
| 11:28.20 | rohdee | weird, I can't seem to log in |
| 11:28.45 | rohdee | is there anything like LD_LIBRARY_PATH that I Could use |
| 11:28.51 | rohdee | I mean I have no other libs though |
| 11:28.55 | joe534 | because the server.. triggers.. some other tool.. and that one can't start, without appropriate lib.. |
| 11:29.31 | joe534 | you can start nothing that refers to /lib... except statically linked programs.. |
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| 11:29.57 | rohdee | is there a command |
| 11:30.18 | joe534 | LD_.. do exist yep, for sure.. like ldconfig and more.. but you still need those libraries.. |
| 11:30.45 | rohdee | yeah, I'm trying to find a way to put it in with no success |
| 11:30.53 | metaspike | rohdee, can you run aptitude? |
| 11:30.57 | joe534 | rohdee: not everything been destroyed so far in /lib, since some running program still make use of them.. |
| 11:31.46 | joe534 | rohdee: you need some tool to login.. had any ? |
| 11:31.59 | rohdee | h,mm |
| 11:32.04 | rohdee | I'm thinking this |
| 11:32.16 | rohdee | can I add chroot to a startup resource file? If so, which one would work |
| 11:32.27 | rohdee | I want to add a previous installation from a backup |
| 11:32.48 | joe534 | rohdee: can work.. if chroot.. doesn't refer to /lib |
| 11:33.54 | joe534 | rohdee: did you also destroyed sub directories in /lib ? |
| 11:34.08 | rohdee | yeah |
| 11:34.16 | rohdee | oh well, I will wait later |
| 11:34.27 | rohdee | I want to make a different hard drive chroot |
| 11:34.38 | rohdee | can I just cp -R every directory and make it work on that blank drive? |
| 11:34.45 | rohdee | this is on a whole new computer |
| 11:34.53 | rohdee | I want to type chroot /media/hda1 |
| 11:34.58 | rohdee | not hda5 |
| 11:35.02 | joe534 | rohdee: chroot need 3 libs.. at least one in /lib.. |
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| 11:35.09 | rohdee | I'm typing cp -R /proc . and it hangs |
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| 11:35.53 | metaspike | copy proc? you sure about that... |
| 11:35.59 | rohdee | yeah |
| 11:36.00 | joe534 | one way to circumvent the issue.. is to build statically compiled tools and have them on the machine.. |
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| 11:36.20 | joe534 | statically linked / compiled |
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| 11:37.04 | joe534 | rohdee: hence you have access on that machine if you can type "chroot" ???? |
| 11:37.35 | _x_X_X_x_ | how i can change group and owner from root to www-data? |
| 11:37.38 | martin81 | hi all, after recent update (I am using unstable) I have problem with libc when calling memset(buf, 0, i); I am getting segfault __memset_sse2_rep () at ../sysdeps/i386/i686/multiarch/memset-sse2-rep.S:579 |
| 11:37.39 | martin81 | 579../sysdeps/i386/i686/multiarch/memset-sse2-rep.S: No such file or directory. |
| 11:37.39 | martin81 | in ../sysdeps/i386/i686/multiarch/memset-sse2-rep.S |
| 11:37.54 | martin81 | any idea what is wrong? |
| 11:38.03 | joe534 | _x_X_X_x_: chown owner:group file |
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| 11:38.42 | joe534 | martin81: look for the file ;-) |
| 11:39.00 | joe534 | sorry must go.. time to eat.. see you ;-) |
| 11:39.07 | metaspike | _x_X_X_x_: chown -hR owner:group /dir - might also be useful |
| 11:39.16 | _x_X_X_x_ | joe534, chown www-data:www-data file |
| 11:40.18 | _x_X_X_x_ | now the owner and the group is root, and i want to change it to www-data |
| 11:40.48 | _x_X_X_x_ | this command is correct? chown www-data:www-data file |
| 11:42.26 | metaspike | _x_X_X_x_: yeah that'll do it, |
| 11:42.59 | orange-ninja | Hey guys! Hope you are fine! I'm trying to setup my scratchbox2 environment with Debian armel. I'm using 'debootstrap' to populate the rootfs. I assume that I should be able to run 'apt-get' in my sb2 (chroot + stuff) environment but 'debootstrap' doesn't install 'apt' package . I see 'Retrieving apt' but do not see 'Extracting apt' in the log. Is it correct behaviour? What should I do to pull apt with 'debootstrap'? Thanks! |
| 11:43.12 | rohdee | what's a good way to reboot without shutdown or reboot |
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| 11:43.17 | rohdee | I'm talking about assembly language |
| 11:43.20 | metaspike | _x_X_X_x_: i think the idea is to have a user account made for each service, and add that to the www-data group, then you have better control. |
| 11:43.21 | rohdee | I just fucked up another system |
| 11:43.23 | ikonia | rohdee: what ??? |
| 11:43.28 | ikonia | rohdee: "reboot without rebooting" - get a grip |
| 11:43.50 | _x_X_X_x_ | metaspike, woooork!@!!!! |
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| 11:44.55 | metaspike | orange-ninja: but did it install aptitude? |
| 11:45.06 | orange-ninja | rohdee: http://www.programmersheaven.com/mb/x86_asm/240601/240601/linux-assembly-code-to-reboot-machine/ |
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| 11:47.34 | orange-ninja | metaspike: It seems no. Here is my log and find calls: http://pastebin.com/U7jiicz4 |
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| 11:49.48 | metaspike | orange-ninja: lines 19 and 20, retriving / validating aptitude. it's install. so you can sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude install <package> |
| 11:50.01 | metaspike | at least, you shoudl be able to? |
| 11:51.25 | _x_X_X_x_ | metaspike, Thank You for everything |
| 11:51.34 | _x_X_X_x_ | I'm going to sleep now |
| 11:52.35 | orange-ninja | metaspike: But there is no 'Extracting' for both apt and aptitude. Could it be a symptom? |
| 11:52.36 | metaspike | rest well hombre |
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| 11:53.23 | martin81 | joe534: no such file in stable/testing/unstable... |
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| 11:57.54 | metaspike | orange-ninja: you've debootstrapped it, but have you chrooted into the new environment yet? read the armeabihowto on the debian wiki> |
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| 11:59.18 | orange-ninja | metaspike: Thanks, will look through it. But I'm in the chroot environment. Simple commands are working fine but I can't find apt-get or aptitude binaries in the rootfs. |
| 11:59.53 | sKeiths | how do i rebulid /boot/. i tried copying boot from another 6.0.3 machine but no joy. the other computer does not have root in an lvm and i think this is where I am failing, I try to boot it manually, see pastebin, it boots until so far in busy box, but the fails because of root mountings http://paste.debian.net/153692/ |
| 12:00.15 | orange-ninja | metaspike: Anyway I have to have aptitude in the rootfs right to be able to call it from chroot. But I do not :) |
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| 12:01.24 | metaspike | orange-ninja: it is weird- one could assume that debootstrap has a cache somewhere, from which you could dpkg -i the the debs manually |
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| 12:01.53 | metaspike | hardly ideal |
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| 12:02.54 | raidgh0st | If you setup dhcp-server and bind9 to work perfect on debian 6.0.3 (and you have one simular computer you copy the working settings to, and it doesnt work. |
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| 12:03.10 | raidgh0st | Then it doesnt taste that good |
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| 12:03.19 | orange-ninja | metaspike: Good point. Will try this. Also I plan to manually pull apt .deb with wget and try to install it. |
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| 12:09.35 | orange-ninja | metaspike: You were right. I see a cache in var/cache/apt/archives. It is strange that nobody is making the second phase of the installation :( I have to do this manually. |
| 12:10.14 | zerthimon | how do I configure /etc/network/interface to bring up an "empty" interface (with no IP address) ? |
| 12:10.56 | raidgh0st | zerthimon: why do you want a empty interface? |
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| 12:12.23 | zerthimon | raidgh0st: just need an interface with status UP and no ip address |
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| 12:14.20 | krion | zerthimon: auto ethX |
| 12:14.27 | krion | zerthimon: iface ethX inet static |
| 12:16.02 | zerthimon | krion: ifup dummy0 |
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| 12:16.09 | zerthimon | krion: Don't seem to have all the variables for dummy0/inet. |
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| 12:16.20 | zerthimon | krion: Failed to bring up dummy0. |
| 12:16.23 | krion | ha |
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| 12:17.08 | krion | sorry then, i though it was enough |
| 12:17.14 | sKeiths | where is rescue option of debian 6.0.3 rescue live disk. my screen does not show the last two options in menu. anyone know is rescue mode is down there? |
| 12:17.25 | orange-ninja | metaspike: I've forced apt installation from the cache. Now resolving other dependencies. The problem is that system looks not very configured because I see a lot of warnings from apt-get regrading the terminal settings etc. |
| 12:17.28 | Mephisto | question. |
| 12:17.39 | Mephisto | is "Remove completely" in synaptic equal to purge command? |
| 12:17.51 | Mephisto | always wondered :) |
| 12:17.56 | Mephisto | but never really bothered |
| 12:18.07 | orange-ninja | metaspike: It looks like I've missed one important step. I did only ./debootstrap/debootstrap --second-stage but it looks like it is not enough. |
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| 12:18.09 | krion | zerthimon: try with manual instead of static, or with ifconfig instead of ifup |
| 12:18.55 | zerthimon | krion: manual results in clean ifup, but interface has status down |
| 12:19.04 | kantor | Hello |
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| 12:19.16 | orange-ninja | Hey! |
| 12:19.19 | tabakhase | impossible to make debian send his hostname on dhcp automaticaly? in ubuntu they patched it to accept "AUTO" whats replaced with the actual hostname. is ther smth similar for debian? |
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| 12:19.28 | krion | ifconfig dummy0 up |
| 12:19.33 | krion | zerthimon: |
| 12:19.47 | zerthimon | krion: that works but looks ugly |
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| 12:19.57 | krion | why's that ? |
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| 12:20.53 | zerthimon | krion: donno :) |
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| 12:23.52 | kantor | I have installed an application (more specifically the wesnoth game) with scons. Now I want to uninstall it. I have unpacked the game, and executed scons -c install from the game directory. But wesnoth is sill on my computer. I tried multiple option variations of the scons program: sconsc -c, scons -c install, scons uninstall, but wesnoth seem NOT to be uninstalled. How can I use scons to uninstall it?? |
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| 12:24.06 | skilz | Just just wondering why I can see tux in my upper left when the system boots then towards the end the font changes to a ugly font and tux dis aper??? |
| 12:24.22 | skilz | its like framebuffer is working then stops |
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| 12:27.04 | gribouille | hi |
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| 12:27.45 | gribouille | I'm trying to configure dovecot on my server. I can connect locally to the server with telnet, but when I try to connect from another machine, I get the follwing error : "telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: No route to host". there is no firewall on my server |
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| 12:29.53 | skilz | hey I just done apt-get install xserver-xorg and I cant startx ??? |
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| 12:31.09 | orange-ninja | skilz: Try X -configure; cp /root/xorg.conf.*** /etc/X11/xorg.conf; startx |
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| 12:36.51 | skilz | didnt work |
| 12:36.58 | skilz | gave me a list of video drivers |
| 12:37.07 | skilz | then at the end something about permission denied |
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| 12:42.51 | orange-ninja | skilz: Try run with sudo |
| 12:43.20 | skilz | command not found |
| 12:43.32 | skilz | it tried to load x and i got that error |
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| 12:53.53 | skilz | 0000:00:10.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV11 [GeForce2 MX/MX 400] (rev b2) |
| 12:53.54 | skilz | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:53.59 | skilz | Does that mean start should work? |
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| 12:54.49 | orange-ninja | Could you post your Xorg.log from /var/.../ to the pastebin |
| 12:55.02 | binbash_ | hi guys, is it possible to give another user rigts to chmod files from a diffrent user? |
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| 12:57.24 | orange-ninja | binbash_: IIRC you can chmod if you can write to file. you should allow some group to write to the file and then add another user to that group |
| 12:58.00 | orange-ninja | binbash_: I'm wrong |
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| 12:58.40 | orange-ninja | binbash_: just googled -- seems that there is no solution to your issue |
| 12:58.55 | slidesinger-lt | I have an old 17 inch CRT and X is giving me 16:9. I can't find much on manual configuration any more, just Xorg -configure, which did not help, and docs that are old. Anyone know of good docs? |
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| 12:59.04 | skilz | orange-ninja, http://pastebin.com/j9QErn4L |
| 12:59.06 | xand | binbash_: only with root access. |
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| 12:59.28 | Chucky_Luciano | hi, is there any open source software for learning a language? |
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| 13:00.59 | skilz | any idea why I can't type startx |
| 13:01.27 | xand | broken keyboard? |
| 13:01.35 | skilz | no |
| 13:01.59 | skilz | xand, http://pastebin.com/j9QErn4L |
| 13:02.01 | xand | then you should be able to type anything |
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| 13:02.21 | skilz | I mean why startx says command not found |
| 13:02.22 | xand | did you mean that X won't start? cos that's... very different |
| 13:02.31 | skilz | yes |
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| 13:03.56 | binbash_ | Boo :( |
| 13:04.09 | binbash_ | Okay let me change the question then :-) |
| 13:04.10 | SpComb | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=604147 <-- I'm hitting a bug like this on squeeze with lib{nss,pam}-ldapd, but I'm not exposing shadow passwords via NSS for pam_unix to auth against |
| 13:04.23 | skilz | Any idea guys? |
| 13:04.23 | binbash_ | I have a webserver, with vsftpd for users to change the site. |
| 13:04.34 | orange-ninja | skilz: IIRC if you have command not found for startx ou should install xinit... |
| 13:04.37 | binbash_ | I created a group, added the users to the group and now they can upload & download files. |
| 13:04.45 | skilz | ok |
| 13:04.45 | binbash_ | also apache2 is running fine.. |
| 13:05.12 | binbash_ | But, how am i going to allow the users to change the chmod state of the files? |
| 13:05.42 | binbash_ | What is best practice in this case? |
| 13:06.02 | binbash_ | maybe just create 1 user for a website, change user to that website :-)? |
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| 13:07.06 | joe534 | binbash_: sudo |
| 13:07.12 | skilz | Okay I can startx now but omg the color is horrible! |
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| 13:07.17 | binbash_ | sudo true ftp? |
| 13:08.04 | orange-ninja | skilz: please update the Xorg.log on the pastebin |
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| 13:09.08 | skilz | http://pastebin.com/AVdGyYG6 |
| 13:09.13 | skilz | How do I get nvidia-settings |
| 13:10.07 | binbash_ | I wonder how hosting companies solve this issue. |
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| 13:12.50 | skilz | orange-ninja, http://pastebin.com/AVdGyYG6 |
| 13:14.05 | skilz | my color is all inverted and surch |
| 13:14.09 | skilz | and like 256 |
| 13:14.25 | allorder | skilz: look at http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
| 13:14.45 | skilz | YEah I am |
| 13:14.49 | skilz | What part should I look at? |
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| 13:15.38 | allorder | http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#non-free_drivers if you want nvidia-settings |
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| 13:16.13 | orange-ninja | Yep. Proprietary drivers could be a solution |
| 13:17.00 | orange-ninja | skilz: Try that link please. There is a lot of text there but I hope it should help. |
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| 13:22.11 | Chelsea | Does enyone know if/when Debian 5 end of life is? |
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| 13:23.29 | allorder | February 6th, 2012. |
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| 13:24.48 | NishaKitty | does anyone know if there is a install cd that has build-essential and linux-headers? |
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| 13:25.05 | NishaKitty | wihtout getting the 8 dvd set |
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| 13:25.42 | skilz | Guys |
| 13:25.47 | skilz | Im running PPC |
| 13:26.02 | skilz | I cant find any nvidia PPC driver |
| 13:26.32 | boudiccas | skilz; we're not all guys here, some of us are female |
| 13:26.58 | CissWit | urban legend |
| 13:27.02 | Chelsea | allorder, thanks... bummer. Does anyone have experience with Debian 6 on vSphere 4.1? |
| 13:27.50 | skilz | My apologies boudiccas |
| 13:28.08 | sKeiths | i got my system booting again, now i have a fsck that i don't understand. unable to resolve 'UUID= ....' http://paste.debian.net/153702/ . any assist would be appreciated. |
| 13:28.14 | boudiccas | skilz; apology accepted |
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| 13:29.41 | freespace | boudiccas: if you ls /dev/disk/by-uuid/ does daa733f1-e41f-4415-b090-837d12b17ac2 show up? |
| 13:30.08 | boudiccas | freespace; sorry? |
| 13:30.17 | freespace | ops ops |
| 13:30.22 | freespace | meant for sKeiths :) |
| 13:30.47 | sKeiths | 2c93b182-d518-4a8f-96d6-6542fccfa381 6f0854ea-0e28-4fe4-802a-1c0fb41e1720 cd2aef60-3492-43ac-ad56-657a2245780a |
| 13:30.52 | sKeiths | so, no |
| 13:31.36 | freespace | sKeiths: i am guessing daa733f1-e41f-4415-b090-837d12b17ac2 is in your fstab still, and you repartitioned or replaced disks or something |
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| 13:33.11 | sKeiths | ah, thanks ... i see now. that was my old /boot. i had booting trouble. i'll try replacing with uuid for new boot |
| 13:33.34 | allorder | skilz: try this http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDriversNvidiaWay |
| 13:33.52 | biosed | Trying to install perl module Net::UDP, only package I can see it in is libnet-server-perl but this is not the correct package, any ideas? |
| 13:33.59 | freespace | sKeiths: cool bananas :) |
| 13:34.18 | skilz | Well my system seems to using the nouveau driver |
| 13:34.27 | skilz | but I need to change the color mode?? how? |
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| 13:35.50 | sKeiths | freespace: excellent. spot on. ty |
| 13:36.22 | sKeiths | no errors. i can sleep happy again |
| 13:36.38 | ghostlines | I just ran the make command to build a new kernel, I saw lots of output but no kernel.deb. Any idea's why this may be? |
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| 13:39.59 | orange-ninja | skilz: Technically you should modify your xorg.conf section. But I know nothing about nouveau. Maybe you should look at the nouveau wiki or even better to ask at the nouveau channel. |
| 13:41.35 | NishaKitty | anyone know if dvd 1 has build-essetinals and linux-headers on it? |
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| 13:42.20 | NishaKitty | kinda in a bind here I have a realtek nic and realtek wireless no way to get on the internet so I need those packages to be on the install medium but standard and netisnt do not have them and rescue only has build-essential |
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| 13:43.44 | petemc | NishaKitty: /msg dpkg firmware images |
| 13:44.00 | themill | NishaKitty: does the realitek nic really need an out-of-tree module to be compiled? |
| 13:44.11 | NishaKitty | themill: I believe so |
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| 13:45.15 | SpComb | ah, I was seeing that auth password bug with libpam-ldapd because I had the user added locally, with a password hash in /etc/shadow |
| 13:45.32 | skilz | Now I get No screens found when I startx http://pastebin.com/NP8rEGUw |
| 13:46.00 | SpComb | if a bug is archived, I guess it isn't possible to send a new message to it? |
| 13:46.14 | SpComb | not sure if this is a bug or "something that should be documented" |
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| 13:48.27 | skilz | How do I change my color in debian? like 256bit, 16 or 32 |
| 13:48.44 | skilz | The color is all screwed up |
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| 13:49.17 | rfajardo | What are your graphic card/monitor? |
| 13:49.29 | rfajardo | Hi there. How is font rendering should be managed by freetype, right? Why do different graphics drivers and graphics cards produce different quality of rendered fonts, at least perceived? |
| 13:49.42 | Cain | on a debian 6 how to change the boot order ? i see 4 entries in /boot/grub/grub.cfg i want the machine to boot on the 3rd entry |
| 13:50.48 | skilz | rfajardo, http://pastebin.com/b1g17eX4 |
| 13:51.05 | gnarface | rfajardo: in X its usually due to different full-screen anti-aliasing settings |
| 13:51.11 | gnarface | rfajardo: er, implementations |
| 13:51.39 | rfajardo | cain, edit /etc/default/grub add a line GRUB_DEFAULT=3 and run update-grub as root |
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| 13:52.45 | nsadmin | skilz: -your- color?? paint on your skin can be unhealthy... |
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| 13:53.07 | skilz | Well |
| 13:53.11 | skilz | when I startx with fluxbox |
| 13:53.17 | skilz | the color is shocking |
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| 13:53.30 | skilz | I open iceweasel and it all goes red |
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| 13:53.40 | nsadmin | so maybe it's fluxbox you need to configure? |
| 13:53.47 | skilz | umm |
| 13:53.49 | Cain | rfajardo : if i want the 3rd one , GRUB_FEFAULT should be 2 no ? counting start at 0 right ? |
| 13:53.50 | skilz | I dont think so |
| 13:54.04 | nsadmin | you mean the whole screen changes when one window is created? |
| 13:54.12 | nsadmin | that sounds like a private color map |
| 13:54.14 | skilz | there yes |
| 13:54.19 | skilz | also |
| 13:54.25 | rfajardo | gnarface, I just didn't understand exactly which part of full-sreen anti-aliasing is implemented on the graphics card or its driver. |
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| 13:54.35 | skilz | the basic color pixmap wallpaper is screwed uip |
| 13:54.44 | skilz | I think its in 16colors or something 256 |
| 13:54.50 | rfajardo | cain, I'm not sure, update-grub will put a * after or before the default, so you can control that. |
| 13:54.59 | nsadmin | yeah, that';s what I think too |
| 13:55.14 | nsadmin | so it's not fluxbox or its config |
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| 13:55.42 | Cain | rfajardo : no * on update-grub |
| 13:55.42 | gnarface | ,versions openssl |
| 13:55.43 | judd | Package: openssl on i386 -- lenny: 0.9.8g-15+lenny13; lenny-proposed-updates: 0.9.8g-15+lenny15; lenny-security: 0.9.8g-15+lenny16; squeeze: 0.9.8o-4squeeze3; lenny-backports: 0.9.8o-4squeeze4~bpo50+1; squeeze-proposed-updates: 0.9.8o-4squeeze7; squeeze-security: 0.9.8o-4squeeze7; sid: 1.0.0g-1; wheezy: 1.0.0g-1 |
| 13:55.51 | skilz | xvidtune says unable to query monitor info |
| 13:55.54 | nsadmin | it's that you have either 4 or 8 bpp, and you need like 16, 24 or 32 |
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| 13:56.12 | skilz | yeah |
| 13:56.13 | nsadmin | then private color maps will not be necessary |
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| 13:56.34 | skilz | How do I fix that nsadmin ? |
| 13:57.26 | nsadmin | well the X server is what sets bits per pixel |
| 13:58.23 | skilz | there is no xorg.config in /etc/X11 |
| 13:58.28 | skilz | what should I do? |
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| 13:58.32 | nsadmin | and the configuration file for the x server is what would set it |
| 13:58.43 | nsadmin | you can generate an x config file |
| 13:58.47 | skilz | how? |
| 13:58.51 | nsadmin | and then move it into place and edit it |
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| 13:59.54 | nsadmin | if X is not presently running, x -configure will generate the file |
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| 14:01.49 | skilz | okay i got FATAL server error: cannot move old log file /var/log/Xorg.0.log to /va/log.Xorg.o.log.old |
| 14:01.52 | skilz | and it fails |
| 14:02.01 | skilz | thats when I Xorg -configure |
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| 14:02.07 | rfajardo | Cain, reboot and take a look :P |
| 14:02.10 | raidgh0st | Bind9 is taking aboute that this file managed-keys.bind (failed: file not found) Should it not be premade when installing bind9 ? |
| 14:02.13 | rfajardo | Cain, do you get a menu already? |
| 14:02.31 | Cain | rfajardo : i just did, it works ^^, it a dedicated server though, i have to bu 'sure' :p |
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| 14:02.41 | Cain | rfajardo : grub start counting @ 0 |
| 14:02.46 | nsadmin | if it is, you would need to give more parameters to set an unused vc and an unused :<number> |
| 14:03.35 | nsadmin | if you're running X -configure as non root user, X won't have permission to write the logs or rotate them |
| 14:04.08 | nsadmin | because /var/log is not write accessable to plain users |
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| 14:04.32 | nsadmin | is there an mp3 editor? |
| 14:04.47 | rfajardo | Cain, GRUB_TIMEOUT=5 and re-update-grub |
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| 14:05.47 | Cain | rfajardo : i don't think i need that atm, i have no physical access to the machine |
| 14:05.51 | skilz | Any idea? |
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| 14:06.19 | Cain | rfajardo : and it's already set to that ^^ |
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| 14:06.33 | rfajardo | gnarface, I just didn't understand exactly which part of full-sreen anti-aliasing is implemented on the graphics card or its driver. |
| 14:06.52 | gnarface | rfajardo: i think its literally a different story depending on the card. some have literally NO hardware implementation of it, some have a fancy one |
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| 14:07.10 | skilz | nsadmin, So I should run Xorg -configure as root |
| 14:07.13 | gnarface | rfajardo: some have a combination and its configurable, and some will treat dvi/vga crt/lcd differently too |
| 14:07.23 | skilz | then I can edit /etc/X11/Xorg.conf ?? |
| 14:07.52 | amphi | nsadmin: what do you want to do? you can monkey about with an mp3 in audacity somewhat |
| 14:07.55 | gnarface | rfajardo: also i think there's some "hinting" that can be built-into certain true-type font formats that may affect stuff too (although i think that's all software-level) |
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| 14:08.27 | gnarface | is talking out his ass here |
| 14:08.43 | skilz | nsadmin, I got Number of screens does not match number of detected devices configuration failed |
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| 14:08.50 | rfajardo | gnarface, see you. It just surprises me that the fonts look so different with same configuration but different drivers/cards |
| 14:08.57 | Mephisto | question |
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| 14:09.14 | Mephisto | what do i install to see asian characters and other non-latin things? |
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| 14:15.59 | skilz | Guys heres my Xorg.conf, Any idea why my X display color is crap? http://pastebin.com/Q1whF7qP |
| 14:16.11 | skilz | And girls :p |
| 14:16.46 | rfajardo | skilz, I think you can live nowadays even without xorg.conf |
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| 14:17.00 | rfajardo | newers Xs will try to guess |
| 14:17.04 | rfajardo | has been working pretty well |
| 14:17.30 | prooz | Does anyone have a recommendation for a ftpd with an API? |
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| 14:18.09 | skilz | rfajardo, Yeah but my color is like 4 colors or something |
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| 14:18.13 | abhijeet_ | hi guys. |
| 14:18.52 | abhijeet_ | i want to install TLP on debian testing.. the repo location given in the project site is not working .. had anyone install it through any other method. |
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| 14:20.59 | rfajardo | skilz, maybe there are some incompatibility with the specific configuration you are picking. Then trying to use X without xorg.conf could help. I don't know enough about X to help you further, sorry. |
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| 14:22.43 | rfajardo | Does anyone know about the inner font rendering details? I was trying to find out why different graphic cards and drivers exhibit different quality fonts for the exactly same software configuration. |
| 14:22.50 | Bartzy | How can I run a script or a command when I get out of the lock-screen in gnome? |
| 14:23.03 | himuraken | ctrl alt f2 |
| 14:23.17 | himuraken | That will give you another vtty |
| 14:23.39 | Bartzy | I don't want another tty |
| 14:23.54 | Bartzy | I want to automatically run a script or command when I type my password and get out of the lock-screen. |
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| 14:26.37 | rfajardo | Bartzy, this was probably not planed when designing the desktop environment. If that's the case, you would have to edit the desktop environment code in order to do what you want. |
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| 14:27.18 | rfajardo | Bartzy, it could be very possible that it generates a signal broadcasted through dbus which you could try to catch with a daemon to execute your script then. |
| 14:27.39 | Bartzy | rfajardo: It's just that I have to execute xset b off to turn the extremely (!!!) annoying bell off |
| 14:27.57 | Bartzy | it's not related to pcspkr, it's just an extremely annoying bell sound when I delete a char on an already empty input text. |
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| 14:28.06 | rfajardo | Bartzy, why would it reset after you configured it once? |
| 14:28.08 | Bartzy | 'xset b off' turns that annoying sound off |
| 14:28.11 | rfajardo | Bartzy, I know the issue. |
| 14:28.16 | Bartzy | rfajardo: I don't know, but on each lock it resets. |
| 14:28.38 | Bartzy | sorry - every sleep I think |
| 14:28.43 | rfajardo | Bartzy, generally you put it in your $HOME/.profile |
| 14:28.55 | rfajardo | Bartzy, that should solve it, I believe. |
| 14:29.02 | Bartzy | ok.. can I put ssh-add there too ? |
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| 14:29.12 | Bartzy | which will pop up the nice GUI screen to enter my key passphrase ? |
| 14:29.29 | rfajardo | I don't know what is ssh-add? |
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| 14:29.36 | skilz | Even without /etc/X11/Xorg.confg my color setting is shocking like 4 colors, how can I fix it? >> Xorg.conf http://pastebin.com/Q1whF7qPF7qP |
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| 14:30.29 | Bartzy | rfajardo: THanks. |
| 14:30.56 | rfajardo | Bartzy, .profile is session wide while bashrc is for every tty or virtual. |
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| 14:31.05 | rfajardo | Bartzy, I think it is like that, at least. |
| 14:31.27 | rfajardo | skilz, wrong url |
| 14:31.43 | skilz | What does this mean?? http://pastebin.com/frC2NXVD |
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| 14:32.32 | dsdeiz | hi! what's dpkg's factoid again which shows installing packages from squeeze-backports or sid? |
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| 14:33.19 | skilz | (EE) [drm] No DRICreatePCIBusID symbol |
| 14:33.20 | skilz | Number of created screens does not match number of detected devices. |
| 14:33.20 | skilz | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:33.38 | ianliu | How can I make the -dbg version of my package? Is there anything to read about it? |
| 14:34.14 | rfajardo | skilz, otherwise, did it load the correct modules? |
| 14:34.24 | skilz | Yeah |
| 14:34.37 | skilz | But like I said my color is really bad |
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| 14:35.07 | skilz | when I edit /etc/X11/Xorg.conf it doesnt seem to take affect |
| 14:35.33 | rfajardo | skilz, could it be that some lib required for DRI is missing? |
| 14:36.03 | skilz | hmm |
| 14:36.08 | skilz | what could it be? |
| 14:36.15 | skilz | and how do I get it please? |
| 14:36.20 | rfajardo | Mesa or something? I also don't know so well :(. |
| 14:36.32 | rfajardo | what is your graphic card? |
| 14:36.52 | skilz | Geforce2 |
| 14:36.59 | blip2 | Geforce2!!! |
| 14:37.03 | blip2 | they are awesome |
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| 14:38.19 | skilz | :) |
| 14:38.24 | rafaelstanley | I am having problems with proftpd after upgrading my operating system (debian 6), it stopped working. Log: http://pastebin.com/SxyTXCQQ any ideas? |
| 14:38.24 | skilz | what lib am I missing? |
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| 14:38.54 | josef__ | i have four physical disks. But after trying to get Soft Raid working i have another two disks visible when i use disk -l.. They are called /dev/mapper/pdc_d....... Does anyone knows how to delete them? |
| 14:39.06 | rfajardo | skilz, try apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-nouveau, maybe it finds the missing library |
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| 14:39.20 | rfajardo | or, xserver-xorg-video-nv |
| 14:39.58 | skilz | xserver-xorg-video-nouveau is already the newest version. |
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| 14:40.07 | pierrep_ | Hi |
| 14:40.08 | rfajardo | dunno how to reinstall |
| 14:40.13 | rfajardo | skilz, try to remove that |
| 14:40.24 | rfajardo | skilz, make sure you have xserver-xorg-video-nv |
| 14:40.35 | skilz | yeah I got that too |
| 14:40.41 | rfajardo | skilz, it can even be that nouveau makes problem to you |
| 14:40.45 | skilz | so remove xserver-xorg-video-nouveau |
| 14:40.51 | pierrep_ | is there an easy way to get gnome-network-manager working with vpn in wheezy ? |
| 14:41.53 | skilz | rfajardo, I removed xserver-xorg-video-nouveau and started x now my screen is black |
| 14:42.03 | rfajardo | skilz, install xserver-xorg-video-nv |
| 14:42.19 | rfajardo | skilz, or remove it and install it again |
| 14:42.22 | skilz | I already have it |
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| 14:44.08 | rfajardo | remove once |
| 14:44.12 | skilz | How can I set the desired X color depth? |
| 14:44.12 | rfajardo | than reinstall |
| 14:44.20 | skilz | Done |
| 14:44.24 | rfajardo | idle now, sorry |
| 14:44.25 | skilz | now startx? |
| 14:44.29 | rfajardo | yes |
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| 14:50.07 | dysoco | Anyone know how to install Metasploit in Debian ? I downloaded a *.run file from metasploit.com, but it was some kind of graphical application, I just want the framework |
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| 14:50.20 | dysoco | or do I compile it ? |
| 14:50.22 | skilz | http://pastebin.com/HpMFXtrw |
| 14:50.42 | skilz | I got this error after removing nouveau and running sudo Xorg -configure |
| 14:51.02 | dysoco | dysoco: doesn't matter, I'm compiling it |
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| 14:51.39 | johnny3 | hi guys, I'm new to Linux |
| 14:52.12 | johnny3 | how do I get into the Windows Sidebar in Debian? |
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| 15:02.08 | amphi | johnny3: windows sidebar? |
| 15:02.49 | johnny3 | yes |
| 15:02.54 | johnny3 | I want my windows sidebar back! |
| 15:02.58 | johnny3 | how do I activate it? |
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| 15:04.38 | elise-- | Wine...? |
| 15:04.55 | elise-- | Whine?... |
| 15:05.59 | lapsusbrutus | windows sidebar? trolling? :p |
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| 15:06.52 | elise-- | What's the debian motor? |
| 15:06.59 | elise-- | Moto |
| 15:07.50 | petemc | univeral operating system |
| 15:08.20 | lapsusbrutus | johnny3: There are a heap of cool things you can do to your desktop if you like fancy things.. forget about windowns. |
| 15:09.05 | himuraken | johnny3 = Trolling. |
| 15:09.24 | themill | Ignore it and move on... |
| 15:09.31 | lapsusbrutus | :p |
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| 15:22.01 | dannN | Hi. We've got a problem with our Debian Webserver. Someone used the command chmod -R 750 / |
| 15:22.24 | dannN | Now the server is down. Is there a possibility to reset the chmod |
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| 15:22.48 | dannN | maybe with fsck filecheck system or something like that? |
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| 15:24.34 | martianlobster | does anyone know what I have to apt-get install, to get the man page for limits.h on my laptop? I would like to install this documentation ompute.cnr.berkeley.edu/cgi-bin/man-cgi?limits.h+3 |
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| 15:26.43 | nkuttler | !tell martianlobster about search |
| 15:26.55 | nkuttler | manpages-dev i'd guess |
| 15:27.44 | themill | dannN: restoring from your most recent backup is most likely the easiest approach. "aptitude reinstall ~i" will catch the packaged files and most of the stuff in /etc for you, but you'll still have to do /home or /var/www or /srv etc yourself. |
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| 15:28.15 | karlpinc | dannN: It might be easiest to restore a backup. Although you might possibly be able to use debsums to get a list of what's wrong -- possibly. |
| 15:28.49 | martianlobster | I just installed man pages dev, and I still get "no entry found for limits.h" I don't know how to use the search utilities, for this because, I don't know the name of the file, which has the documentation. If I knew the filename, I could just do apt-file search filename |
| 15:29.07 | themill | karlpinc: does debsums do permissions? |
| 15:29.16 | karlpinc | dannN: And as themill points out, there's really no way of restoring all the permissions. (If you were tricky, you could get just the permissions from a backup and use that to fix things, but that'd require scripting, effort, and be error prone. |
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| 15:29.39 | karlpinc | themill: I seem to recall something, from 10 years ago, and could be completely wrong. |
| 15:30.01 | themill | karlpinc: I've never come across it doing so |
| 15:30.10 | karlpinc | themill: I'm probably wrong then. |
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| 15:30.23 | themill | I can't find it in the manual. |
| 15:30.31 | themill | pity... that would be quite handy too. |
| 15:30.34 | Sivik | why when I run sudo modprobe -r <module> why does it not remove it? |
| 15:30.46 | Sivik | http://pastebin.com/Y0xz9JiE |
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| 15:32.18 | martianlobster | I found it! manpages-posix-dev |
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| 15:33.02 | martianlobster | I did, apt-cache search manpages | less, then just started installing anything that looked like it might have something about limits.h |
| 15:33.15 | panosru | Hello, I have trouble installing libgd2-xpm-dev... if anyone could help me I have all the info here: https://gist.github.com/ea1f5b3008f19de8941c |
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| 15:33.27 | dannN | karlpinc: does debian do an automatic backup? because the server is new we have no backup |
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| 15:34.16 | Sivik | dannN, no, you would have to set one up. |
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| 15:34.31 | Fedexarg | hi! |
| 15:34.33 | dannN | ok thank you |
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| 15:34.45 | Fedexarg | I have a question |
| 15:34.57 | Sivik | Fedexarg, just ask. |
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| 15:35.42 | Fedexarg | sorry for my English! i wan to by this: PRO/1000 PT and PF Quad Port Bypass Server Adapters |
| 15:35.57 | themill | dannN: a new server hopefully doesn't have much on it so it's not as hard to start from scratch. You will, of course, be investigating backup solutions quite soon... |
| 15:35.58 | karlpinc | themill: The BSDs have mtree, but I can't seem to find it in debian. |
| 15:36.02 | Fedexarg | for one of my snorts, installed on debian squeeze |
| 15:36.23 | Sanky | Hello, should I use the i386 architecture for the Intel I7-2600k processor? |
| 15:36.24 | Fedexarg | intel said that the driver works on linux |
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| 15:36.46 | themill | karlpinc: you could have a lot of fun with find -printf and xargs (or just do it in perl...) |
| 15:36.48 | Fedexarg | someone use Intel Bypass card? |
| 15:37.09 | THE_GFR|WORK | hey everyone I click the computer icon, then my drive to mount it up in gnome and, it is an NTFS drive but it errors saying "you are not priviliged to mount drivenamehere" ideas? |
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| 15:37.24 | karlpinc | Fedexarg: Do you have the card or a pciid? |
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| 15:37.50 | Fedexarg | no, I dont bye the card yet |
| 15:38.10 | panosru | no one knows anything about why I'm getting Broken packages when I try to install libgd2-xpm-dev on debian 6 64bit? |
| 15:38.15 | THE_GFR|WORK | it's "you are not priviliged to mount the volume volumenamehere" |
| 15:38.29 | karlpinc | THE_GFR|WORK: You probably need to put yourself in the plugdev group. |
| 15:38.40 | THE_GFR|WORK | karlpinc: how? |
| 15:39.21 | THE_GFR|WORK | oh |
| 15:39.22 | THE_GFR|WORK | nm |
| 15:39.22 | karlpinc | THE_GFR|WORK: adduser the_gfr plugdev |
| 15:39.25 | THE_GFR|WORK | yea thanks |
| 15:39.29 | THE_GFR|WORK | just saw that |
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| 15:40.16 | THE_GFR|WORK | karlpinc: adduser command not found |
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| 15:40.25 | THE_GFR|WORK | its useradd |
| 15:40.27 | karlpinc | Fedexarg: I know when you compile a kernel the configuration help files describe what driver supports what hardware. (I think intel is usually supported.) It's always good to go with an in-kernel driver. |
| 15:40.28 | THE_GFR|WORK | heh |
| 15:40.36 | karlpinc | THE_GFR|WORK: You gotta be root. |
| 15:40.56 | themill | THE_GFR|WORK: no, adduser; you need to be root and it's in /usr/sbin |
| 15:40.56 | karlpinc | THE_GFR|WORK: No useradd is different. |
| 15:41.01 | THE_GFR|WORK | karlpinc: oops |
| 15:42.12 | Fedexarg | karlpinc: The problem with the kernel driver i think is that dosent have the bypass support |
| 15:42.23 | THE_GFR|WORK | karlpinc: I did that, do I need to unplug the drive and re-plug it? |
| 15:42.40 | karlpinc | Fedexarg: You might google the card and Linux. Note that debian has backported kernels so if the kernel in stable isn't new enough you can upgrade. |
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| 15:42.56 | karlpinc | THE_GFR|WORK: You need to logout and login for the group change to take effect. |
| 15:43.21 | karlpinc | THE_GFR|WORK: And then you probably need to replug the drive (if you want automatic magic to happen). |
| 15:43.52 | THE_GFR|WORK | karlpinc: if I logout I can't log back in, no monitor on this system, using remote desktop but it does not show me the login screen any way to activate that? |
| 15:43.53 | panosru | can I have some love here? :D :D |
| 15:44.46 | themill | !love panosru |
| 15:44.46 | dpkg | makes love to panosru, caressing panosru's hair, whispering sweet nothings in panosru's ear... |
| 15:44.51 | panosru | loooool |
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| 15:45.01 | p3rror | how to detect RAID on a machine without rebooting it |
| 15:45.03 | panosru | hahaha |
| 15:45.03 | karlpinc | THE_GFR|WORK: You can always do "su - the_gfr" from the terminal to get a new login in shell. |
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| 15:45.15 | karlpinc | THE_GFR|WORK: Then you can use the pmount command. |
| 15:45.26 | THE_GFR|WORK | karlpinc: hmm |
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| 15:45.41 | themill | panosru: sticking the command you gave and the entire output in pastebin would be a good start. Also, "/msg dpkg bat" to see some other output that would be handy |
| 15:45.43 | panosru | seriously no one knows about broken dependencies exception ? I get it when I try to isntall libgd2-xpm-dev :/ |
| 15:46.05 | panosru | themill: I already did that since I first asked about it :D https://gist.github.com/ea1f5b3008f19de8941c |
| 15:46.09 | THE_GFR|WORK | karlpinc: I want to have my remote desktop program show me the gnome desktop login screen |
| 15:46.13 | THE_GFR|WORK | for x or whatever |
| 15:46.37 | THE_GFR|WORK | karlpinc: I did the su ( my username ) and it asked for the password so I put it in |
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| 15:46.47 | karlpinc | Fedexarg: I don't know what bypass is. I'll go look. |
| 15:46.49 | THE_GFR|WORK | it's still not working |
| 15:46.58 | THE_GFR|WORK | karlpinc: it's not working |
| 15:47.04 | karlpinc | THE_GFR|WORK: Did you try mounting with pmount? |
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| 15:47.22 | THE_GFR|WORK | pmount? |
| 15:47.39 | Fedexarg | karlpinc: it´s failopen, when server goes down, the network pluged in the cards still operative |
| 15:47.42 | themill | panosru: (1) please retry with aptitude rather than apt-get as it will either figure it out itself or at least give a more useful error message. (2) please pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy; apt-cache policy libgd2-xpm-dev libfontconfig1-dev" |
| 15:47.51 | karlpinc | !tell THE_GFR|WORK about pmount |
| 15:48.40 | THE_GFR|WORK | karlpinc: pmount command not found |
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| 15:49.02 | karlpinc | Fedexarg: I'm still going to have to rtfm. What good is a network without a server attached to it? |
| 15:49.13 | karlpinc | THE_GFR|WORK: You'd have to install the package. |
| 15:49.29 | Fedexarg | karlpinc: It´s for a snort ips deploy |
| 15:49.49 | panosru | themill: thank you mate, I tried with aptitude and I got this: https://gist.github.com/ea1f5b3008f19de8941c I just want you to confirm what option to chose in order to not screw things up :/ |
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| 15:50.02 | karlpinc | Fedexarg: So it would bridge automatically? |
| 15:50.27 | THE_GFR|WORK | karlpinc: that worked |
| 15:50.29 | Fedexarg | karlpinc: yes! |
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| 15:50.45 | karlpinc | Fedexarg: The card's got more than one port? |
| 15:50.52 | Fedexarg | karlpinc: 4 ports |
| 15:50.52 | THE_GFR|WORK | karlpinc: and it has the correct user attributes |
| 15:50.58 | THE_GFR|WORK | karlpinc: the owner is correct now |
| 15:51.05 | themill | panosru: did you have wheezy or testing in your sources.list at some stage? |
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| 15:51.23 | karlpinc | Fedexarg: I might prefer a hardware tap. Seems simpler. |
| 15:51.47 | panosru | themill: yes I had testing but I removed it (I guess you told me to remove it some time ago) because I had some issues when I tried to run apt-get upgrade |
| 15:52.04 | THE_GFR|WORK | karlpinc: but I can't unmount it |
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| 15:52.14 | Fedexarg | karlpinc: me too, but in the company i´ve been working want to by the intel :) |
| 15:52.25 | themill | dpkg: tell panosru about not available |
| 15:52.36 | themill | panosru: can you pastebin the output of that command for me? |
| 15:52.38 | Fedexarg | karlpinc: by=buy, sorry |
| 15:52.46 | karlpinc | Fedexarg: Thing about vendor supplied drivers is that they are usually kernel specific. That means patches and upgrades break things. There's a reason why they say: Use binary only drivers, hate life. |
| 15:53.04 | karlpinc | THE_GFR|WORK: man pumount |
| 15:53.10 | THE_GFR|WORK | oh |
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| 15:53.27 | THE_GFR|WORK | ok that worked |
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| 15:53.55 | panosru | themill: here it is: https://gist.github.com/ea1f5b3008f19de8941c :) |
| 15:53.58 | Fedexarg | karlpinc: yes, you are so right |
| 15:53.59 | THE_GFR|WORK | karlpinc: when I double click the volume in "computer" on gnome it won't mount as per normal it gives me the permissions error |
| 15:54.24 | karlpinc | THE_GFR|WORK: As far as getting the login screen, I tend to do that by running X over the network. You might have some luck with vnc -- something started by rc.local for instance. But maybe not. |
| 15:54.35 | karlpinc | THE_GFR|WORK: That's because you didn't logout and back in again. |
| 15:54.39 | themill | panosru: eek. This is not going to end well. |
| 15:54.44 | themill | dpkg: tell panosru about unmixing |
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| 15:55.25 | karlpinc | THE_GFR|WORK: I'm sure there's a way to do it with vnc, but I'm not sure what it is. |
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| 15:55.36 | THE_GFR|WORK | karlpinc: I can't logout and back in because then I can't see the login screen remotely |
| 15:55.54 | karlpinc | THE_GFR|WORK: Yes, you said. |
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| 15:56.05 | panosru | themill: so I'm screwed right? :D I won't be able to have libgd2-xpm-dev :D |
| 15:56.06 | THE_GFR|WORK | karlpinc: how do I "see" the gnome login screen via VNC? |
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| 15:56.28 | phr3ak | tightvnc |
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| 15:57.02 | karlpinc | phr3ak: Yes, but the X auth stuff will change when he logs in, won't it? |
| 15:57.18 | themill | panosru: somewhat worse than that -- you'll struggle to install anything on that box in that state and you're also not receiving security updates for a large number of packages |
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| 15:57.51 | panosru | themill: hopefully it is a local VM server for development reasons only and not a production machine... |
| 15:57.52 | jhutchins_wk | THE_GFR|WORK: It depends on how you set up the VNC server. Some of them share the current desktop, some of them prompt a new login. They usually take the place of ?dm and control the login, so you just go to the Gnome desktop once you connect. |
| 15:58.19 | themill | panosru: having development and production environments that differ is hardly a recipe for fun either |
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| 15:59.06 | karlpinc | THE_GFR|WORK: And if you're doing vnc over the internet you'll probably want to tunnel it through something that secures it. Openvpn or ssh or some such. |
| 15:59.49 | karlpinc | THE_GFR|WORK: (And you probably don't really need a gui desktop anyway....) |
| 15:59.54 | panosru | themill: but if I chose an option from here: https://gist.github.com/ea1f5b3008f19de8941c/13cf70fdc705509fb3d2f53a934028fe765e93ad it won't work? |
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| 16:01.58 | themill | panosru: neither of those options will install the packages you asked for |
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| 16:02.26 | THE_GFR|WORK | karlpinc: what I need and do not need does not matter, I want to see the gnome logon screen via VNC so it's easy to login and out |
| 16:02.35 | innociv | Why does this users ssh get closed right after log in? Jan 26 11:27:47 rph sshd[18769]: pam_unix(sshd:session): session opened for user support by (uid=0) Jan 26 11:27:47 rph sshd[18769]: pam_unix(sshd:session): session closed for user support. the user support is in the sftp group. http://pastebin.com/U540bRmC |
| 16:02.51 | innociv | If anyone in the sftp group tries to log into ssh, ssh immediately closes after log in. sftp works. |
| 16:03.28 | panosru | themill: well thank you for your time on that then :) I really appreciate it I really don't remember why I had to add the testing repository :( If I'm not wrong I added it to install rabbit-mq which I use for my applications... Would you mind to take a look on this: https://gist.github.com/ea1f5b3008f19de8941c it is the output from my production server... I had testing there too for the same reason... |
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| 16:03.37 | jhutchins_wk | THE_GFR|WORK: The VNC softare usualy replaces the gnome login screen. |
| 16:04.05 | jhutchins_wk | THE_GFR|WORK: You're welcome to research configuration options on the various available servers and see if one will display GDM though. |
| 16:04.17 | THE_GFR|WORK | jhutchins: what I want, is to see the physical screen via VNC ( so it shows me what's on the physical output ) |
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| 16:04.38 | jhutchins_wk | THE_GFR|WORK: It usually doesn't work that way, although you might be able to make it. |
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| 16:05.09 | themill | panosru: If this were a desktop machine and you felt up to running testing, then you could just upgrade the machine to testing. But testing isn't really great for servers... it's a moving target (meaning there's always things to fix) and it doesn't get timely security support. |
| 16:05.09 | panosru | themill: yes I was correct it was rabbit-mq that need testing... http://www.rabbitmq.com/install-debian.html |
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| 16:05.28 | skilz | During boot, my font looks nice then towards the end it changes to a thin ugly font and my framebuffer tux dissapeares how can I stop this? |
| 16:05.36 | jhutchins_wk | THE_GFR|WORK: This may be of interest to you although it is not to be confused with VNC: http://zweije.home.xs4all.nl/xauth.html |
| 16:05.45 | THE_GFR|WORK | jhutchins: how? |
| 16:06.30 | THE_GFR|WORK | jhutchins: on windows I can see the physical screen via RDP or something and it lets me login, or remote desktop programs show me the windows login screen, I need that for this box |
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| 16:06.49 | karlpinc | Fedexarg: You could buy the card, _and_ buy a tap. :-) |
| 16:07.21 | Fedexarg | karlpinc: Yes! do you any tap to recommend? |
| 16:07.31 | karlpinc | Fedexarg: No, sorry. |
| 16:07.31 | themill | panosru: I can't see any reason to include "testing" in your sources.list to use their .debs |
| 16:07.45 | jhutchins_wk | THE_GFR|WORK: Read the documentation for the VNC server of your choice, the xauth documentation, and/or the rdp for linux documentation. |
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| 16:08.18 | jhutchins_wk | THE_GFR|WORK: I'm trying to tell you that on linux the VNC client/server login usually handles the desktop login for you. |
| 16:08.20 | Fedexarg | karlpinc: intel only can help me if I have premier support!! |
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| 16:08.39 | raboof | my laptop adjusts its screen brightness based on a light sensor. |
| 16:08.45 | raboof | how do I turn that off? :) |
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| 16:08.55 | karlpinc | Fedexarg: See! You're saving them money by buying a tap! |
| 16:08.56 | Fedexarg | karlpinc: Corporative solutions? Intel sucks :) |
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| 16:09.05 | THE_GFR|WORK | jhutchins_wk: all I know is if I logout of this remote desktop session I cannot log back in, I cannot see the physical login screen, I **NEED** to |
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| 16:09.07 | panosru | themill: I had to install rabbit-mq because the applications I build use this tool a lot and it is very good tool for lot's of things so I just followed their installation instructions |
| 16:09.12 | skilz | raboof, Cover up the sensor? |
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| 16:09.31 | themill | panosru: their instructions don't say to include debian testing in your sources.list |
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| 16:09.52 | karlpinc | THE_GFR|WORK: Do you need to see the same screen somebody else is seeing or do you just need to see a gui that you're logged in on? |
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| 16:10.02 | jhutchins_wk | THE_GFR|WORK: Which VNC server are you running? |
| 16:10.44 | skilz | THE_GFR|WORK, Try vncserver |
| 16:10.45 | raboof | skilz: i'm guessing it's software that does this, as I don't remember it doing this before. I'd rather fix my configuration instead of fixing it with duct tape :) |
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| 16:11.07 | panosru | themill: hmm indeed they use http://www.rabbitmq.com/debian/ testing not the debian's testing... wtf... why I had testing then... :S I don't remember :( anyway... you learn from your mistakes... :/ |
| 16:11.08 | THE_GFR|WORK | karlpinc: I turned on the remote desktop, I can see it once logged in, but I need to see the output of the physical head on the system as if I had a monitor connected ( when gnome xwindows is loaded but not logged in ) |
| 16:11.19 | jhutchins_wk | THE_GFR|WORK: What's probably happening (I'm just guessing here because you're not telling us) is that you are starting a session locally, then connecting to that session via VNC. When you log out, either the client or the server is configured to close the active session, but the server is not configured to start a new session on a new connection. |
| 16:11.20 | Fedexarg | karlpinc: I think i would start searching a tap solution! |
| 16:11.52 | jhutchins_wk | THE_GFR|WORK: The defaults depend on which VNC server/client you're running, but it's possible to change the behavior by reconfiguring it for most VNC servers. |
| 16:12.00 | THE_GFR|WORK | jhutchins: all I know is, I have the remote desktop option turned on, and the server is only active when logged in. |
| 16:12.20 | THE_GFR|WORK | jhutchins: it's remote desktop on debian 64-bit |
| 16:12.36 | THE_GFR|WORK | so I can see localhost screen via remote |
| 16:12.45 | THE_GFR|WORK | I don't know how to explain it any better |
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| 16:12.54 | karlpinc | THE_GFR|WORK: That's not what I asked. Do you need to see the output of a monitor that somebody else is also looking at and manipulating with keyboard and mouse or do you just want to see a gui that's running on the server? |
| 16:13.03 | jhutchins_wk | Isn't it nice when the distribution configures everything for you and doesn't tell you what's going on, so all you have to do is click and trust? |
| 16:13.10 | THE_GFR|WORK | karlpinc: physical screen |
| 16:13.18 | jhutchins_wk | THE_GFR|WORK: You need to find the options/configuration for whatever it's running for "Remote Desktop". |
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| 16:13.41 | THE_GFR|WORK | no idea what it's running |
| 16:13.48 | jhutchins_wk | karlpinc: Sounds like he's connecting to the existing session. |
| 16:14.01 | jhutchins_wk | THE_GFR|WORK: How would you find out? |
| 16:14.07 | superstraw | I just tried to join the room from my bshellz account and it turns out that address was banned... I guess someone has been messing around huh? |
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| 16:14.28 | THE_GFR|WORK | I don't kow, it's just remote desktop option which is vnc afaik on debian 64-bit |
| 16:14.30 | karlpinc | jhutchins_wk: Yes. But I'm trying to figure out what it is he's really trying to accomplish. Why does he need to see the screen that's located somewhere else? |
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| 16:15.12 | THE_GFR|WORK | karlpinc: the screen would be sitting next to me but I do not have a keyboard and mouse connected to this system, I need to see the desktop GUI hence the remote desktop option BUT that will not show me the login SCREEN |
| 16:15.21 | jhutchins_wk | karlpinc: Everybody knows you can't manage a server without the GUI! |
| 16:15.27 | Fedexarg | karlpinc: Bye! thanks a lot!! |
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| 16:15.45 | themill | superstraw: gateways are frequently abused by people who think that they are allowed to do whatever they like. Gateways are frequently blanket banned because of this. |
| 16:15.48 | somiaj | you could use webadmin /me hides (: |
| 16:15.55 | karlpinc | THE_GFR|WORK: So you don't really need to see any particular screen. You just need to see some screen on that computer. |
| 16:16.18 | THE_GFR|WORK | karlpinc: I need to see what would be displayed on the physical screen |
| 16:16.23 | THE_GFR|WORK | via remote |
| 16:16.29 | THE_GFR|WORK | arg!! |
| 16:16.37 | THE_GFR|WORK | bangs head on desk |
| 16:16.40 | karlpinc | THE_GFR|WORK: There can be more than one, real or virutal, screen attached to a computer. You don't care which you see so long as you can manipulate the remote computer. Right. |
| 16:16.50 | panosru | themill: if I add testing sources only to install libgd2-xpm-dev in my dev machine and then remove those testing sources it could work right? at least I would have libgd2 installed to be able to use it right? |
| 16:16.52 | karlpinc | ? |
| 16:17.16 | somiaj | panosru: you do not want to install anything from a testing repo on a stable machine. Use backports. |
| 16:17.16 | THE_GFR|WORK | karlpinc: no, I need to see the output of whatever would be displayed on the main screen, desktop 0 or whatever |
| 16:17.21 | themill | panosru: you just delay your pain for a later date. You still don't get security support for your installed packages. |
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| 16:17.42 | karlpinc | THE_GFR|WORK: Why? It's no different from what would be on any other screen. |
| 16:17.56 | THE_GFR|WORK | yes it is. |
| 16:17.57 | panosru | somiaj: what is backports ? |
| 16:18.05 | THE_GFR|WORK | karlpinc: does it matter why I want to do it? |
| 16:18.05 | karlpinc | THE_GFR|WORK: Because? |
| 16:18.13 | panosru | themill: but I don't care about security support on my dev machine... |
| 16:18.18 | somiaj | panosru: testing/unstable software compiled against the stable system so it has stable dependencies. |
| 16:18.21 | THE_GFR|WORK | karlpinc: it does not matter why, I just want that. |
| 16:18.33 | themill | panosru: but you need your development and production machines to be the same... |
| 16:19.09 | THE_GFR|WORK | karlpinc: this is being really frusturating for me, I can't get anyone to help me do this so I can see the login screen. |
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| 16:19.33 | somiaj | though backports don't have security updates too. It is still the prefered way to get a newer version than stable of some software on your server you need. |
| 16:19.39 | panosru | themill: yes but since I screwed up with my dev and I can't go back I need to do something in order to be able to test libgd2 locally and make sure that my app works fine and then do a second test when I deploy it on production... I know it will be double pain but at least I could work... |
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| 16:20.23 | panosru | somiaj: so I just do apt-get install backports and then I use backports to install libgd2-xpm-dev? |
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| 16:20.41 | THE_GFR|WORK | karlpinc: do you understand |
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| 16:20.47 | somiaj | !tell panosru about backports |
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| 16:21.48 | somiaj | panosru: some backports have been made at backports.debian.org, but in this case you may have to compile your own backport |
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| 16:23.47 | maher | how do i find out why cron.weekly is running on a Thursday? |
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| 16:24.05 | somiaj | check crontab |
| 16:24.15 | somiaj | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:24.39 | maher | somiaj: 47 6 * * 7 root test -x /usr/sbin/anacron || ( cd / && run-parts --report /etc/cron.weekly ) |
| 16:24.42 | maher | somiaj: looks like sunday to me |
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| 16:25.26 | karlpinc | THE_GFR|WORK: You'll have to figure out how to get vnc to display the gnome login screen then. Folks here know how to get it to display it's own login screen, but if that's not good enough then you'll have to do the research. |
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| 16:26.10 | karlpinc | THE_GFR|WORK: And if you won't tell us what you're really trying to do we can't suggest anything better. |
| 16:26.25 | somiaj | maher: then not sure, 'date' returns the correct date? |
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| 16:26.36 | maher | somiaj: ok - i think anacron is running them not cron... |
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| 16:27.23 | THE_GFR|WORK | karlpinc: the only thing I need it to do is SHOW ME THE GNOME LOGIN SCREEN. |
| 16:28.02 | jhutchins_wk | THE_GFR|WORK: The problem is you're trying to find a way to the wrong solution. You don't need to see the GDM/Gnome login screen. You need to be able to open a new xorg session when you connect via VNC. |
| 16:28.23 | somiaj | maher: yea I guess I don't have it installed, hence why it tests for it first. I guess it just assumes f anacron is installed it will take over the cron.weekly directory |
| 16:28.24 | karlpinc | THE_GFR|WORK: Yes, and we know how to make the gnome login screen go away entirely, always, and use a different login screen that lets you see the remote desktop. But you don't want to do that. |
| 16:29.06 | THE_GFR|WORK | karlpinc: say I turn on the computer and the gnome login screen shows up, can I see THAT localhost:0 via VNC? currently NO |
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| 16:29.24 | quebre | hi |
| 16:29.35 | quebre | how do i reconfigure network ? i try dpkg-reconfigure networking |
| 16:29.38 | quebre | but doesnt work |
| 16:29.56 | somiaj | quebre: modify the /etc/network/interfaces file |
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| 16:30.06 | somiaj | quebre: unless you are crazy enough to use a network-manager |
| 16:30.22 | quebre | why network-manager is bad ? :) |
| 16:30.54 | somiaj | it seems to cause more problems than it fixes by not learning how to modify the interfaces file |
| 16:31.11 | panosru | themill and somiaj thank you both :) I will try to be more careful in the future :) |
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| 16:31.27 | karlpinc | THE_GFR|WORK: But potentially yes. Go for it. We'd even like to hear what you have to do to make it work. |
| 16:31.32 | quebre | i see |
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| 16:31.44 | quebre | iface eth0 inet static address 192.168.0.2 netmask 255.255.255.0 gateway 192.168.0.1 |
| 16:31.55 | quebre | is this correct in /etc/network/interfaces ? |
| 16:31.57 | somiaj | quebre: what do you want to change about your network/interface? |
| 16:32.05 | quebre | i use dhcp now but i want to have static |
| 16:32.09 | quebre | want to disable dhcp |
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| 16:32.26 | maher | THE_GFR|WORK: that's an interesting question - if you find out how to that you should write up the solutions somewhere... |
| 16:32.29 | somiaj | quebre: something like that would work provided you have the newlines in the right spot |
| 16:32.52 | karlpinc | maher: I'm sure it's possible. Somebody has probaly already done it. |
| 16:32.54 | quebre | somiaj: alright thanks |
| 16:33.24 | karlpinc | maher: There's usually not any reason why you'd want to do something like that. |
| 16:33.48 | somiaj | quebre: http://paste.debian.net/153721/ -- that is what I use, add an 'auto eth0' line if you want it brought up automatically at boot |
| 16:33.51 | maher | karlpinc: right - but one day it might be handy... |
| 16:34.12 | maher | quebre: try /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 16:34.15 | karlpinc | maher: Come to think of it. I may be doing that. But I never tried when nobody was logged in. |
| 16:34.24 | quebre | somiaj: what do i type in 'network' field ? |
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| 16:34.55 | quebre | maher: after its done i reboot to see if it works ;D |
| 16:34.58 | somiaj | quebre: of course if you are using a network-manager it can conflict with the interfaces. And once you have that in interfaces you can use ifup/ifdown to bring it up and down |
| 16:35.04 | jhutchins_wk | THE_GFR|WORK: If you set up the VNC/RDP server correctly, when you connect you will see a (new) gnome desktop just as if you had gone through the "gnome login screen" (which is actually gdm). |
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| 16:35.07 | belak | Would anyone know why my monitor would be having random blurry streaks from top to bottom? It only appears to happen in linux |
| 16:35.09 | somiaj | quebre: don't need to reboot just ifdown eth0 && ifup eth0 |
| 16:35.13 | quebre | somiaj: i do it manually .. |
| 16:35.15 | maher | quebre: you don't need to reboot - just restart the networking |
| 16:35.18 | somiaj | quebre: for a simple network 192.168.0.0 would be enough |
| 16:35.32 | quebre | ok |
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| 16:35.49 | quebre | 'auto eth0' |
| 16:35.56 | quebre | and this is very important coz i wan auto up |
| 16:35.59 | chaospsychex | how can i DISABLE the touchpad on my laptop? |
| 16:36.05 | quebre | but where do i put this line ? |
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| 16:38.32 | jhutchins_wk | THE_GFR|WORK: If I give you some general-knowledge links will you read them so you'll understand at least where you need to look for what you need? |
| 16:38.52 | karlpinc | THE_GFR|WORK, maher, jhutchins_wk : This is what I'm doing, after having setup the appropriate ssh keys that let login happen automatically. http://paste.debian.net/153722/ It'll probably even display the login screen. |
| 16:38.54 | THE_GFR|WORK | yes |
| 16:39.26 | rfajardo | skilz, are you still there, is your problem solved? |
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| 16:39.36 | karlpinc | maher: I use it for remote desktop support. |
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| 16:40.22 | maher | karlpinc: that's nice - i just use vnc over openvpn... |
| 16:40.22 | THE_GFR|WORK | karlpinc: thanks... |
| 16:40.30 | jhutchins_wk | THE_GFR|WORK: http://bobpeers.com/linux/vnc http://www.walkernews.net/2007/07/05/how-to-setup-linux-vnc-server/ http://www.skullbox.net/vncserver.php http://heller.huono.org/bin/vnc.html |
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| 16:41.00 | jhutchins_wk | maher: Is yours set up to attach to an existing session or to start a new session? |
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| 16:41.34 | karlpinc | jhutchins_wk: Mine displays localhost:0 |
| 16:41.39 | maher | jhutchins: i've only ever needed to attach to an existing sesseion... |
| 16:41.39 | jhutchins_wk | maher: I know X11vnc usually shares the session. One of the others (tightvnc, vnc4) starts a new session by default (and can be a real pain to get to share existing sessions). |
| 16:42.43 | maher | jhutchins: i just checked - it won't start a new session |
| 16:43.05 | karlpinc | But I've no idea what it would do with the login screen. I'm sure it'd display it, but I'm not so sure what would happen after login. I think it'd work, but then disconnect after logout and you'd have to run it again. |
| 16:43.45 | jhutchins_wk | maher: Which one? |
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| 16:44.45 | jhutchins_wk | karlpinc: One of the servers or clients has an option on whether to close the session on logout. That's all he really needs, although it would be nice if he could start a session if he needed to. |
| 16:45.01 | maher | jhutchins: ok - the machine i just tried isn't running a vnc server - the one that is isn't avaiable atm - but it just runs whatever is default in gnome (vino?) |
| 16:45.07 | karlpinc | jhutchins_wk: fiddly bits. |
| 16:45.18 | jhutchins_wk | Devils in the details. |
| 16:45.32 | jhutchins_wk | I think Gnome actually uses an RDP server. |
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| 16:46.10 | jhutchins_wk | I've worked with at least four different VNC software packages over the years, plus RDP. Some have a lot more obvious options, some just don't have the options, some are obscured. |
| 16:46.24 | jhutchins_wk | I don't have access to a Linux system I could test on right now. |
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| 16:46.40 | chaospsychex | jhutchins_wk: how to disable touchpad? |
| 16:47.11 | jhutchins_wk | chaospsychex: Fn-F7 on my Acer One. Possibly an option in xorg.conf? |
| 16:47.26 | jhutchins_wk | THere's a hotkey for windows on this HP. |
| 16:47.35 | chaospsychex | jhutchins_wk: you are amazing! |
| 16:47.47 | jhutchins_wk | What, it worked? |
| 16:47.53 | chaospsychex | jhutchins_wk: yes |
| 16:48.02 | chaospsychex | jhutchins_wk: i have an acer as well, lol :P |
| 16:48.06 | jhutchins_wk | That is amazing. |
| 16:48.26 | jhutchins_wk | I tell ya, mind like a steel garbage can. |
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| 16:48.40 | chaospsychex | jhutchins_wk: what's more amazing is that on F7 this is an icon that represents TOUCHPAD OFF and I just noticed it. FAIL! |
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| 16:49.15 | chaospsychex | the spirit of the n00b has assaulted me |
| 16:49.17 | karlpinc | jhutchins_wk: Me too. But I can't seem to get the wifi to work. It works with a bdo kernel, but only on cold start and I'm not at all clear about what would happen with any sort of closed wifi. |
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| 16:49.39 | karlpinc | jhutchins_wk: I think those acer one's are all different inside. |
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| 16:50.15 | jhutchins_wk | karlpinc: Yeah, there are a lot of differences. |
| 16:50.35 | jhutchins_wk | Everything on mine works except the flash reader. |
| 16:50.38 | chaospsychex | now i can play with my VM without my mouse moving and clicking and freaking the **** out on me |
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| 16:50.54 | ksx4system | I have two exactly identical boxes. Both run from CF card, second one runs dd copy of first one. |
| 16:51.08 | ksx4system | why does first recognize LAN as eth1 and second as eth3? |
| 16:51.09 | jhutchins_wk | I wish they had a better configuration for ignoring input from the touchpad when you're actively typing (which we know it can detect). |
| 16:51.14 | ksx4system | both have single onboard LAN |
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| 16:52.16 | karlpinc | !tell ksx4system about z70 |
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| 16:53.14 | karlpinc | ksx4system: They've different mac addresses. It's not always good to use dd like that. rsync with some excludes would be better. |
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| 16:53.42 | ksx4system | karlpinc: thanks very much. it's not live sync though, I've just debootstrapped single card and made a copy |
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| 16:54.11 | karlpinc | ksx4system: There's also the <aptitude clone> factoid. YMMV. |
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| 16:54.27 | Mephisto | question |
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| 16:54.42 | Mephisto | is "remove completely" option in synaptic equal to apt-get purge command? |
| 16:54.48 | quebre | how do i disable the bluetooth service so it wont start at boot time ? |
| 16:55.10 | jhutchins_wk | ksx4system: What happened is that the first instance found the NIC with MAC <foo>. The second instance said "Well, that's not mac <foo>,, so it can't be eth0, we'll call it something else to avoid confusion". |
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| 16:55.36 | jhutchins_wk | quebre: rcconf |
| 16:56.09 | quebre | bash: rcconf: command not found |
| 16:56.16 | quebre | >?< |
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| 16:56.34 | quebre | ah ok |
| 16:56.38 | quebre | i installed it |
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| 16:59.52 | jhutchins_wk | How you keep the applet from showing up I'm not sure. |
| 17:00.07 | jhutchins_wk | Might have to uninstall it. |
| 17:00.13 | davidgul | hi guys i set up my FTP server but i have some problems so forst im using vsftpd i try t connect to my server outside from the my home network but it gave my error "server close the conection" but when i try to connect to the server from home network i דובבדקג |
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| 17:00.24 | davidgul | i succsed |
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| 17:01.04 | karlpinc | davidgul: Is your network natting? |
| 17:01.25 | davidgul | what is natting |
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| 17:02.05 | karlpinc | davidgul: Using rfc1918 addresses on the inside and dynamically rewriting IP numbers as they go in and out of the network. |
| 17:02.14 | quebre | from where i can get firefox 64 bit for my debian ? |
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| 17:02.27 | Sciuro | And did you use active or passive FTP connections? |
| 17:02.27 | quebre | the latest stable firefox 64bit version ? if exist ? |
| 17:03.04 | karlpinc | Sciuro: (And why is he using ftp at all instead of something better?) |
| 17:04.27 | davidgul | i use dynamic adreses |
| 17:04.36 | Sciuro | karlpinc: true |
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| 17:06.37 | davidgul | so what can i do |
| 17:06.38 | davidgul | ? |
| 17:07.16 | karlpinc | davidgul: You probably need to configure your router properly. It's more of a networking question and not really ontopic here. (I'm not sure of the right channel.) You could get background by reading the networking guide at tldp.org. It's old but still good. (or wikipedia) |
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| 17:10.44 | rooks | its EU-ACTA blocking petition, although US-ACTA failed them lawyers are pushing ACTA in other territories... sign pls https://secure.avaaz.org/en/eu_save_the_internet click pls, kthx |
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| 17:11.18 | karlpinc | rooks: #debian-offtopic |
| 17:11.22 | jonh321 | anonymous deface fbi site -> http://imgchili.com/show/4392/4392629_british81.jpg |
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| 17:13.06 | jhutchins_wk | quebre: iceweasel is firefox for Debian. |
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| 17:15.06 | tesla_dv1 | I'm looking for clarification on a dmesg error relating to XFS volumes and aacraid: http://pastebin.com/cGqjSjDz I appear to be getting kernal oops's. My specific question is that the last line of the pastbin shows a call to file that does not exist, what's happening here? |
| 17:15.20 | jetkoten | hi all |
| 17:15.42 | jetkoten | can anyone help with setting up sudoers on a very minimal install? new to linux... |
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| 17:16.31 | tesla_dv1 | jetkoten, I probably can... what's the question. |
| 17:17.00 | themill | jetkoten: at a guess, you want "adduser jetkoten sudo" |
| 17:17.12 | tesla_dv1 | no |
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| 17:17.27 | tesla_dv1 | to add a user use: adduser "username" without quotes |
| 17:17.32 | tesla_dv1 | then run visudo as root |
| 17:17.48 | themill | tesla_dv1: "adduser username groupname" adds the user to that group. |
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| 17:18.22 | jetkoten | tesla_dv1: thanks... installed emacs 24 previously, but did it all as root and think i had some permissions problems after... was following a guide that had sudo sometimes and sometimes not. problem is i'm not sure i have an editor in /usr/bin/editor or not, was just going to cat it when you replied |
| 17:18.31 | po_taka | hello, i run debian testing, latest updates. i installed ati drivers ""apt-get install fglrx-driver fglrx-control fglrx-glx fglrx-atieventsd fglrx-modules-dkms"" there are animations and card fan is spinning slow :) great |
| 17:18.31 | po_taka | but when i start movie, KDE crash and kdm restart, what what to do ? what info to share ? |
| 17:18.55 | tesla_dv1 | by default sudo is not a group, if you're trying to su-up, visudo needs to be edited. |
| 17:18.58 | jetkoten | adduser first before visudo, loggee in as my user or root? |
| 17:19.06 | themill | tesla_dv1: it is since squeeze. |
| 17:19.10 | tesla_dv1 | really?! |
| 17:19.14 | themill | yes |
| 17:19.46 | tesla_dv1 | just cat'd /etc/passwd, no sudo group... |
| 17:19.56 | tesla_dv1 | /etc/group* |
| 17:20.14 | tesla_dv1 | may have removed it... |
| 17:20.26 | tesla_dv1 | themill: so visudo is no longer needed if you add to that group? |
| 17:20.49 | themill | if you want to give that user permission to do anything, yes |
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| 17:21.10 | JetJaguarXP | So does anyone know what "glx" is? |
| 17:21.15 | jetkoten | themill: so just adduser jetkoten sudo while root? |
| 17:21.19 | quebre | jhutchins_wk: i dont want iceweasel... want firefox ! real one |
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| 17:21.29 | themill | jetkoten: yes. Then log out and log back in. |
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| 17:21.33 | nkuttler | !tell JetJaguarXP about glx |
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| 17:21.40 | jetkoten | themill: great, thanks very much |
| 17:21.47 | jetkoten | themill: trying now... |
| 17:21.52 | tesla_dv1 | themill: take a stab at my question? |
| 17:22.07 | themill | I like hiding from XFS |
| 17:22.26 | jetkoten | tesla_dv1: thanks for your help too |
| 17:22.38 | tesla_dv1 | That seems to be the case :x I'm about to pull a 6tb array out because of it |
| 17:23.11 | tesla_dv1 | I'm just trying to see if anyone knows of a specific problem related to 2.6.35 branch that may cause it... |
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| 17:23.44 | tesla_dv1 | Specifically though, the /tmp/buildd directory, what is that used for? dereferencing pointers? |
| 17:23.52 | JetJaguarXP | nkuttler, got a different link to that. My firewall won't let me to it. Says something about an anonymizer? |
| 17:23.56 | tupi | hi debian people :) |
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| 17:24.22 | nkuttler | JetJaguarXP: well configure your firewall |
| 17:24.35 | JetJaguarXP | Sorry, I'm not the Network admin. |
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| 17:24.54 | jetkoten | themill: worked like a charm! thanks again!! |
| 17:25.03 | themill | no worries. happy hunting |
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| 17:25.20 | tupi | just have a nightmare problem: since recently, like 2 days ago, i have a server [testing / few unstable pkg] that does not always restart sshd at boot _and_ never reads gdm3 daemon.conf anymore |
| 17:25.28 | JetJaguarXP | Guess it's back to Google. |
| 17:25.50 | jhutchins_wk | quebre: iceweasel IS firefox for Debian. |
| 17:26.02 | quebre | jhutchins_wk: it is NOT ! |
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| 17:26.13 | quebre | iceweasel is iceweasel and firefox is firefox |
| 17:26.20 | jhutchins_wk | quebre: Look at the runtime process name. Look at the packages. Yes, it is EXACTLY firefox with some text and graphical changes. |
| 17:26.29 | tesla_dv1 | agreed^ |
| 17:26.33 | tupi | any hint on this chanel ? |
| 17:26.37 | tesla_dv1 | its a GNU fork |
| 17:26.43 | jhutchins_wk | quebre: iceweasel is Firefox - look at the code. |
| 17:26.53 | JetJaguarXP | She's mean and she's evil like that little ol' iceweasel, guess I'll try my luck with you.... Little sister don't you... |
| 17:26.53 | jhutchins_wk | tesla_dv1: No, it's not a fork, it's the same code. |
| 17:27.06 | nkuttler | tupi: a *server* that runs testing and gdm? what were you smoking when you set that up... |
| 17:27.09 | quebre | but the guy from #firefox just pointed me to 64bit firefox, look: http://releases.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/releases/latest/linux-x86_64 i just downloaded it and it works, 64bit, and all... and it's latest firefox version, so, it's not iceweasel |
| 17:27.40 | nkuttler | 64bit iceweasel works fine |
| 17:27.43 | jhutchins_wk | quebre: You are correct, firefox is not iceweasel, but iceweasel is firefox. |
| 17:27.46 | tupi | yes, we are in a research #D lab which needs thet latest nvidia for a quadro ... |
| 17:27.50 | tupi | :) |
| 17:27.54 | quebre | jhutchins_wk: whatever... ;) |
| 17:27.56 | tupi | don't smoke |
| 17:28.15 | tupi | s/#D/3D |
| 17:28.17 | CissWit | quebre: did you have a look at http://mozilla.debian.net/ <- this ? |
| 17:28.23 | nkuttler | tupi: well read your logs |
| 17:28.26 | jhutchins_wk | I have the same version on my squeeze system as I do on this W7 system, 9.01. |
| 17:28.37 | jhutchins_wk | quebre: Seriously, if you don't believe me look at the source code. |
| 17:28.53 | nkuttler | tupi: and stop upgrading the packages once the system works.... |
| 17:29.11 | nkuttler | or at least keep backups, package archives etc |
| 17:29.12 | quebre | jhutchins_wk: i believe, i just dont get why to rename firefox to iceweasel just for debian, whats the point? especially if its just the same browser |
| 17:29.21 | themill | quebre: don't mistake the name on an icon for a different program. That said, if you want debian people to help you with firefox, the answer will be "aptitude install iceweasel". If you want something other than that, then please ask in #firefox. |
| 17:29.23 | tesla_dv1 | licenscing |
| 17:29.24 | nkuttler | !tell quebre about why iceweasel |
| 17:29.29 | tesla_dv1 | licensing* |
| 17:29.35 | tupi | which one would tell me why sometime sshd is started and sometime not ? |
| 17:29.40 | jhutchins_wk | !why iceweasel |
| 17:29.40 | dpkg | Due to Mozilla logos licensing, Mozilla software isn't DFSG-free, so Debian distributes Mozilla software with different logos. One day Mozilla Corporation decided to revoke the agreement to let Debian use Mozilla trademarks, so Debian changed to non-trademarked product names. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Corporation_software_rebranded_in_Debian for more information. http://glandium.org/blog/?p=933. Ask me about <dfsg>. |
| 17:29.47 | quebre | themill: i already asked on #firefox and they helped me ;) |
| 17:29.58 | themill | quebre: also, please don't cross-post. |
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| 17:30.05 | quebre | what's cross-post :p |
| 17:30.12 | themill | dpkg: tell quebre about cross-post |
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| 17:30.25 | JetJaguarXP | What's tatters precious? |
| 17:30.32 | quebre | ah |
| 17:30.33 | quebre | sorry ;p |
| 17:30.54 | quebre | im impatient sometimes.. |
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| 17:32.01 | quebre | and if i want to install thunderbird, does it also hides under differend name ? |
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| 17:32.34 | CissWit | quebre: ice-dove |
| 17:32.47 | quebre | oh my.. |
| 17:32.48 | JetJaguarXP | Seriously? |
| 17:32.54 | CissWit | again, if you want latest version of firefox and thunderbird, i really recommend you to have a look at http://mozilla.debian.net/ |
| 17:32.57 | listenpreis | how can I see which hardware is actually connected / powered on? |
| 17:33.01 | quebre | CissWit: ok |
| 17:33.09 | listenpreis | is there something like a filtered list of /dev ? |
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| 17:33.35 | CissWit | it is a page that provide repository with last versions, including beta and aurora, of firefox and thunderbird for debian. |
| 17:33.57 | CissWit | well, not for icedove, only release there. |
| 17:33.59 | tesla_dv1 | ext3 or ext 4 for hardware raid 5? |
| 17:34.37 | nkuttler | listenpreis: lshw ? |
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| 17:35.46 | JetJaguarXP | Anyone know if there is a Debian version of the 290.10 Nvidia driver? |
| 17:35.59 | quebre | does someone know some better looking alternative for gkrellm ? |
| 17:37.52 | nkuttler | quebre: gkrellm with a different skin? |
| 17:39.03 | JetJaguarXP | quebre conky |
| 17:40.04 | quebre | i'll check it out ;) |
| 17:41.28 | jhutchins_wk | JetJaguarXP: There are debian drivers for Nvidia hardware, and there are Nvidia drivers that work with Debian, but Debian doesn't supply Nvidia branded drivers. |
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| 17:42.49 | JetJaguarXP | Let me word it this way, When I search Synaptic for Nvidia I can't find any items for the 290.10 drivers. |
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| 17:43.05 | JetJaguarXP | It's all the legacy stuff. |
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| 17:44.03 | themill | JetJaguarXP: what release of debian is this for? |
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| 17:44.16 | JetJaguarXP | 6 Squeeze |
| 17:44.34 | tupi | i manually have to do: service gdm3 restart after reboot, where and what should i look for to identify the prob ? |
| 17:44.51 | themill | ,v nvidia-kernel-dkms |
| 17:44.52 | judd | Package: nvidia-kernel-dkms on i386 -- squeeze/non-free: 195.36.31-6; squeeze-backports/non-free: 280.13.really.275.36-1~bpo60+1; sid/non-free: 290.10-1; wheezy/non-free: 290.10-1; experimental/non-free: 295.09-1 |
| 17:45.10 | themill | JetJaguarXP: ^^ there's 275 on backports; there's not a 290 version available for squeeze yet. |
| 17:45.15 | jhutchins_wk | JetJaguarXP: My guess would be that 290.10 would be a version number for the Nvidia supplied driers, which Debian doesn' t distribute. |
| 17:45.19 | jhutchins_wk | !nvidia dkms |
| 17:45.19 | dpkg | For Squeeze users. Ask me about <contrib> and <non-free sources>. "aptitude -r install linux-headers-2.6-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` nvidia-kernel-dkms && mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf". Run "update-initramfs -u" and restart your system to enable the <nouveau> blacklist. For legacy drivers, see <nvidia legacy>. |
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| 17:46.31 | JetJaguarXP | judd sid/non-free Hm... |
| 17:46.47 | jhutchins_wk | my guess would appear to be wrong. |
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| 17:46.58 | themill | JetJaguarXP: you can't mix the nvidia packages from sid onto your squeeze installation |
| 17:47.14 | JetJaguarXP | Darn it. |
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| 17:47.46 | JetJaguarXP | Ah... SID is unstable eh? |
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| 17:48.11 | Phil-Work | JetJaguarXP, indeed |
| 17:48.13 | JetJaguarXP | No that's not it. |
| 17:48.25 | JetJaguarXP | Oh it is? |
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| 17:49.07 | JetJaguarXP | Ah, Google found it for me. |
| 17:49.30 | JetJaguarXP | The code name for Debian's development distribution is "sid", aliased to "unstable". |
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| 17:50.05 | technologov_ | !sid | JetJaguarXP |
| 17:50.24 | technologov_ | !sid |
| 17:50.26 | dpkg | The great thing about running sid is that, when it breaks you get to keep ALL the pieces!! |
| 17:50.35 | JetJaguarXP | LOL |
| 17:51.06 | JetJaguarXP | So if I want the 290 drivers I have to install manually eh? |
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| 17:51.41 | technologov_ | NVIDIA drivers can be installed on Debian Stable. |
| 17:51.53 | technologov_ | You don't need sid |
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| 17:52.38 | JetJaguarXP | Right, but If I want the 290.10 version there isn't a "debian" installer for it yet. |
| 17:53.08 | technologov_ | use standard "Linux" installer. It works great on Debian. |
| 17:53.11 | tupi | on testing they are 290 too |
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| 17:53.46 | JetJaguarXP | tech The run file from Nvidia? |
| 17:54.02 | technologov_ | yes |
| 17:54.31 | JetJaguarXP | But that's not the "Debian" way to install... |
| 17:54.54 | technologov_ | right. So one components will be non-Debian one. |
| 17:55.08 | technologov_ | I consider this acceptable, but YMMV. |
| 17:55.43 | technologov_ | * So one component will be non-Debian. |
| 17:55.44 | JetJaguarXP | Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm Guess I could try it and see what happens. |
| 17:56.01 | JetJaguarXP | Can always revert. |
| 17:56.05 | babilen | Why would you want/have to do that? |
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| 17:56.13 | technologov_ | I have several non-Debian components here. |
| 17:56.23 | seaworthy | is there a command to copy all partitions from one usb to another |
| 17:56.26 | seaworthy | ? |
| 17:56.26 | technologov_ | Because I'm forced to... |
| 17:56.29 | seaworthy | thanks |
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| 17:56.46 | babilen | technologov_: Why? |
| 17:56.47 | JetJaguarXP | And we are two wild and crazy guys! |
| 17:57.03 | seaworthy | lets say i have /dev/sdb and /dev/sdc plugged in |
| 17:57.07 | themill | technologov_: please do not advocate that people use the nvidia installer from their website. It does not work nicely with debian at all. |
| 17:57.34 | JetJaguarXP | Yikes. Really? |
| 17:57.37 | stevieman | I'm trying to move direct1 to directory 2 but I am getting 'Device or resource busy' the directory isn't open anywhere |
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| 17:57.49 | technologov_ | in some cases I'm forced to use non-stable or non-Debian components, if there is some feature that I must have. |
| 17:57.51 | themill | technologov_: also, by using the binary only nvidia drivers, you have now lost what little credibility you had regarding your extreme views on free software. |
| 17:57.55 | tupi | JetJaguarXP, use apt-get or aptitude, it works like a charm |
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| 17:58.22 | technologov_ | themill, I understand. Just having offline system is very important for me. |
| 17:58.27 | JetJaguarXP | tupi Can't get the 290 version with apt. |
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| 17:58.39 | tupi | the yes you can, i have them on all my systems |
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| 17:59.08 | babilen | JetJaguarXP: If it has not yet been pointed out to you: We typically recommend to install the nvidia dkms as detailed in "/msg dpkg nvidia dkms" -- You can get a newer version from backports if you require that. |
| 17:59.09 | tupi | i nvidia-kernel-dkms 290.10-1 NVIDIA binary kernel module DKMS source |
| 17:59.09 | tupi | ii nvidia-kernel-source 290.10-1 NVIDIA binary kernel module source |
| 17:59.14 | tupi | ... |
| 17:59.25 | babilen | JetJaguarXP: Do you need 290? Which card do you have? |
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| 17:59.43 | babilen | tupi: That version is not in stable or backports though. |
| 18:00.14 | tupi | babilen, no, as said before, i need the latest because of a quadro 3D card ... |
| 18:00.26 | JetJaguarXP | babilen Just want it. Use it on other distros. |
| 18:00.38 | tupi | but he can setup his preferences file |
| 18:00.44 | JetJaguarXP | Was just trying to use it on this one. |
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| 18:00.56 | tupi | just to have the testing packages for the nvidia 'suites' |
| 18:00.56 | seaworthy | dd if=/dev/sdb of=/dev/sdcc |
| 18:01.07 | seaworthy | seaworthy, thanks! |
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| 18:01.32 | seaworthy | seaworthy, np |
| 18:01.34 | babilen | JetJaguarXP: Well, consider yourself to be made aware of the supported and recommended way to install the driver. It is, naturally, up to you what you do. |
| 18:01.46 | tupi | folks, rebooted the system and sshd was not started, which log should i try to see what was wrong ? |
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| 18:02.14 | tupi | gdm3 daemon.conf not readed as well [so no xdmcp] |
| 18:02.25 | Mephisto | question |
| 18:02.26 | tupi | i'm lost in the 100 log files ... |
| 18:02.27 | JetJaguarXP | babilen I used this site to install my current drivers http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
| 18:02.38 | Mephisto | i got Nvidia GT215 [GeForce GT 240] card, what m i to do? |
| 18:02.46 | Mephisto | i mean.. i just read the website given above |
| 18:02.48 | themill | tupi: did the network come up after they were started? |
| 18:02.54 | Mephisto | but i don't get normal resolution here |
| 18:03.09 | tupi | themill, yes, ping works |
| 18:03.16 | babilen | JetJaguarXP: That page discusses a plethora of different methods. We typically recommend to use DKMS as detailed in "/msg dpkg nvidia dkms" as it turned out to be the most reliable one. |
| 18:03.36 | themill | tupi: I mean the order in which the different things were started. Did networking start after sshd and gdm? |
| 18:03.45 | JetJaguarXP | Mephisto, I think your card needs one of the legacy drivers. |
| 18:03.57 | Mephisto | JetJaguarXP, really?.. |
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| 18:04.02 | Mephisto | JetJaguarXP, but it's not marked as legacy.. |
| 18:04.32 | stevieman | what am I doing wrong? mv <dir> <new directory> |
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| 18:04.44 | babilen | Mephisto: You install the driver as detailed in "/msg dpkg nvidia dkms" -- You don't need one of the legacy drivers as well. (cf. ftp://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/195.36.31/README/README.txt) |
| 18:04.47 | JetJaguarXP | Mephisto, did you try using that script on the webpage? |
| 18:04.48 | tupi | themill, i can't tell, how would i know ? also it is a very very recent prob, i didn't changed anything in the config, so i guess the order is determined by the system |
| 18:04.56 | tupi | how can i check that ? |
| 18:05.00 | Mephisto | babilem, thanks you. |
| 18:05.48 | themill | hands Mephisto the tab key |
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| 18:06.25 | Mephisto | themill, dunno what you mean. |
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| 18:06.42 | Mephisto | themill, ah... well, maybe i didn't pay attention to it hoping that it'd show me all i need |
| 18:06.44 | babilen | Mephisto: You can tab-complete nicknames in here. Try "bab<TAB>" |
| 18:06.56 | Mephisto | babilen, i know... |
| 18:07.01 | Mephisto | babilen, why would you remind me? |
| 18:07.20 | themill | Mephisto: because you keep mistyping babilen's nick? |
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| 18:07.23 | babilen | Mephisto: Because you obviously didn't use it as you misspelled my name "babilem" |
| 18:07.36 | Mephisto | babilen, no, i've been using tab all this time. |
| 18:08.08 | Mephisto | in fact, i don't quite see the nicknames, cause my screen is blurry and 640x480... so it's kinda hard to think of such things at the moment. But i swear, i've been using tab key. |
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| 18:08.58 | FrantiK | heya |
| 18:09.29 | JetJaguarXP | Hmmmm Well, I'm running kernel 3.2 not 2.6 |
| 18:09.32 | tupi | themill, in /etc/rc2.d, S20ssh ... S20xinetd ... S22gdm3 |
| 18:09.37 | FrantiK | i know that this is not an usual request... but do any of you know a howto about installing hyper-v 3.2 drivers for squeeze ? |
| 18:09.49 | JetJaguarXP | I already have X11 installed |
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| 18:10.34 | themill | tupi: the location of "networking" and perhaps the particular details of how long that takes to come up would be more important |
| 18:10.39 | tupi | so why sshd not started anyway ? |
| 18:10.51 | tupi | ah |
| 18:10.59 | tupi | then how to debug this ? |
| 18:11.14 | FrantiK | check your logs ? |
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| 18:12.22 | tupi | but which one, what to lok for, this is my Q since i entered the chanel :) |
| 18:12.44 | babilen | JetJaguarXP: If you are referring to the linux header package name you can just change that. You can also pull the driver from backports if you want to (/msg dpkg bdo) |
| 18:13.03 | chaospsychex | what's a good video editing software package for debian ? |
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| 18:13.18 | FrantiK | tupi, messages, syslog, klog |
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| 18:13.36 | FrantiK | i'd start with syslog |
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| 18:13.56 | themill | tupi: did sshd start but not bind to an interface? or did sshd not start at all? (you'd know that by looking at the process list after starting the machine) |
| 18:13.59 | tupi | just checked, no trace for 'cat syslog | grep ssh' |
| 18:14.07 | babilen | chaospsychex: Please google for "video editing linux" and run "apt-cache search video editing" :) |
| 18:14.24 | themill | tupi: daemon.log might be more fruitful. Also, "/msg dpkg uuoc" ;) |
| 18:14.35 | tupi | themill, i just started manually now |
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| 18:15.21 | themill | chaospsychex: "axi-cache search edit works-with::video" might be interesting |
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| 18:16.16 | JetJaguarXP | babilen I think that's my issue. The Nvidia 290 driver isn't available in the backports. |
| 18:16.31 | tupi | themill, what is "/msg dpkg uuoc" ? sorry i am not a good admin and rather a novice channel user |
| 18:16.46 | themill | dpkg: tell tupi about uuoc |
| 18:16.49 | babilen | JetJaguarXP: Do you need 290? Which card do you have? |
| 18:16.56 | themill | tupi: what dpkg just said to you... a joke ;) |
| 18:17.00 | FrantiK | tupi, /var/log/syslog right ? |
| 18:17.34 | tupi | themill, :) |
| 18:17.43 | JetJaguarXP | babilen: GeForce 8500 GT |
| 18:18.02 | JetJaguarXP | I know I don't NEED the 290 version but |
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| 18:18.25 | tupi | FrantiK, /var/log/syslog does not have any 'ssh' occurrence |
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| 18:18.29 | JetJaguarXP | it still supports the card. |
| 18:18.48 | tupi | and daemon.log either |
| 18:18.50 | tupi | neither |
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| 18:18.55 | babilen | JetJaguarXP: That card is supported even by the nvidia version in stable, so you shouldn't have problems with the version in backports as well. |
| 18:19.06 | Mephisto | i did what you said. still resolution is 1024x768 maximum |
| 18:19.11 | Mephisto | and something happened to font too |
| 18:19.16 | Mephisto | it's different now |
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| 18:19.43 | FrantiK | tupi, check messages |
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| 18:21.01 | tupi | FrantiK, just found an error about xinet.d/vncserver [which is a file I wrote] could be that right ? |
| 18:21.09 | JetJaguarXP | Ay sous |
| 18:21.10 | tupi | in daemon.log |
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| 18:21.14 | FrantiK | not sure |
| 18:21.24 | nitzs | Are the entries in /usr/share/menu automatically generated or do they require the menu package to be installed? |
| 18:21.44 | tupi | messages does not mention any 'ssh' occurrece neither |
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| 18:22.56 | FrantiK | cat /var/log/*|grep 'sshd' does return anything ? |
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| 18:24.51 | tupi | FrantiK, no, apart from ssh login attempt from users [Jan 21....] |
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| 18:25.36 | jhutchins_wk | shames FrantiK for catting to grep. |
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| 18:25.56 | jhutchins_wk | sshd logs to /var/log/auth |
| 18:26.14 | jhutchins_wk | Might also throw errors to /var/log/daemons |
| 18:26.20 | Mephisto | damn... |
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| 18:26.27 | Mephisto | why it's always a prob with resolution.. |
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| 18:27.16 | jhutchins_wk | FrantiK: Better command: grep -r /var/log/* |
| 18:27.22 | Mephisto | can anyone tell me how i get 1280x1024 using GT215 [GeForce GT 240] |
| 18:27.25 | Mephisto | HOW. |
| 18:27.34 | jhutchins_wk | FrantiK: Better command: grep -r <ssh /var/log/* |
| 18:27.38 | FrantiK | jhutchins_wk, use what you want and i do the same. |
| 18:28.04 | jhutchins_wk | cat | grep is redundant. |
| 18:28.06 | FrantiK | i don't need to be patronized |
| 18:28.06 | simonlnu | !uuoc |
| 18:28.06 | dpkg | UUOC is the Useless Use of Cat Award. Given out for years by Randal Schwartz on the newsgroup comp.unix.shell. Basically, most constructions that look like "cat filename | grep pattern" can be more easily written as "grep pattern filename". Works for grep and most other Unix utilities. Easier to type and marginally more efficient. |
| 18:28.09 | FrantiK | and i do not care |
| 18:28.39 | jhutchins_wk | tupi: Is ssh enabled in the init system? |
| 18:28.44 | FrantiK | i'd be on #unixlessons if i wanted any |
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| 18:29.19 | tupi | jhutchins, how do i check that ? |
| 18:29.49 | simonlnu | FrantiK: are you always this resistant to learning something new? |
| 18:29.50 | jhutchins_wk | rcconf or chkconfig --list sshd (you may have to install either;/both of those commands). |
| 18:30.35 | FrantiK | simonlnu, i am resistant to being patronized for no reason, especially when a method works. |
| 18:31.17 | FrantiK | blabla arguing isn't the reason i came, and if i try to give an advice, i just do try. |
| 18:31.29 | tupi | is installing these commands |
| 18:31.43 | simonlnu | ok |
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| 18:32.11 | tupi | jhutchins, it says: chkconfig --list sshd sshd: unknown service |
| 18:32.20 | FrantiK | anyway as i said previously, i am looking for a way of installing last hyperv integration services if anyone knows a method. |
| 18:32.26 | simonlnu | ssh not sshd |
| 18:32.27 | karlpinc | tupi: It's ssh, not sshd. |
| 18:32.45 | tupi | ssh 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on 5:on 6:off |
| 18:32.50 | tupi | karlpinc, tx |
| 18:32.57 | jhutchins_wk | tupi: I know chkconfig isn't installed by default, that's why I said you'd have to isntall it. Not sure about rcconf, it uses a menu style list. |
| 18:32.57 | tupi | seems like it's off |
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| 18:33.18 | jhutchins_wk | tupi: Default runlevel is 2. |
| 18:33.19 | tupi | how do i change that to on ? |
| 18:33.32 | FrantiK | (last integration services for hyperv are in rpms for rhel..) |
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| 18:33.48 | jhutchins_wk | tupi: It's supposed to be off for 0 (shutdown) 1 (singlle user no network) and 6 (reboot). |
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| 18:34.14 | jhutchins_wk | http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/aix/library/au-badunixhabits.html |
| 18:34.37 | tupi | ah ok, miss red these values |
| 18:34.43 | tupi | so it's ok then |
| 18:35.15 | jhutchins_wk | tupi: Well, configured to start, yes, working, ? |
| 18:35.27 | jhutchins_wk | tupi: Is it failing to start? |
| 18:35.39 | tupi | no, not when i start manually |
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| 18:35.52 | jhutchins_wk | tupi: ...but it doesn't start automatically on reboot? |
| 18:36.01 | tupi | exactly |
| 18:36.10 | jhutchins_wk | tupi: Is this wheezy? |
| 18:36.21 | floridsdorf | hi |
| 18:36.33 | tupi | can't find why and would hardly tell exactly since when, but it always worked before |
| 18:36.40 | tupi | it is testing |
| 18:36.54 | tupi | openssh-server 1:5.9p1-2 |
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| 18:37.39 | jhutchins_wk | tupi: Testing seems to have some problems with init scripts in upstart. MySQL doesn't wait long enough for the network to come up before starting, it will fail if configured to listen for network connections. |
| 18:38.15 | tupi | ok, so i guess not much i can do then |
| 18:38.24 | jhutchins_wk | (It just occurred to me that the easiest way to fix that is probably a "sleep" command in the init script.) |
| 18:38.37 | tupi | that would be great |
| 18:38.42 | tupi | how do i do that ? |
| 18:39.01 | jhutchins_wk | not exactly sure... |
| 18:39.11 | tupi | but i'm ready to try |
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| 18:40.28 | tupi | where is the script ? |
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| 18:43.37 | simonlnu | /etc/init.d/ |
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| 18:44.56 | jbeatty_ | I'm running the 3.1 kernel and for some reason my system simply will not stop beeping. I've removed pcspkr and snd_pcsp and Geany still beeps after compilation. |
| 18:45.27 | jbeatty_ | Is that just Geany doing it? |
| 18:45.33 | tupi | simonlnu, /etc/init.d/ssh right? where should I put the sleep, 'sleep 1000' ? |
| 18:46.07 | simonlnu | um, that sleep is probably too long. yes |
| 18:46.11 | tupi | the others script will also wait if they depend on ssh? [like gdm3 when xdmcp ?] |
| 18:46.30 | themill | perhaps try out the theory first |
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| 18:46.45 | tupi | sorry never used sleep , what should be the value [thught it was 1000/s] |
| 18:46.57 | simonlnu | no, seconds |
| 18:47.01 | tupi | oh |
| 18:47.04 | tupi | :) |
| 18:47.11 | tupi | sleep 1 then |
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| 18:48.11 | tupi | is a schemer |
| 18:48.17 | tupi | trying and rebooting |
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| 18:48.30 | simonlnu | hint: somewhere in the 'start' option for the case statement ;) |
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| 18:49.01 | tupi | well, just wrote it after set -e |
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| 18:49.15 | tupi | and already rebooting :) |
| 18:50.14 | tupi | right, it seems it did it, many thanks! |
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| 18:51.24 | tupi | now, a second problem to solve :) |
| 18:51.31 | simonlnu | might want to file a patch |
| 18:51.40 | tupi | really ? |
| 18:51.45 | simonlnu | but, i'd suggest putting it somewhere more sane |
| 18:51.54 | simonlnu | just a suggestion |
| 18:52.19 | tupi | i'm confortable to send patches to guile-devel, but debian admin, i fell embarast |
| 18:52.28 | tupi | feel |
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| 18:52.47 | tupi | may report at least ? what list do you think ? |
| 18:53.02 | simonlnu | to the ssh source package |
| 18:53.08 | simonlnu | yeh |
| 18:53.13 | simonlnu | at the very least |
| 18:53.21 | tupi | still have another very important problem [for us as a research lab] |
| 18:53.31 | tupi | simonlnu, will do, what list? |
| 18:53.48 | jhutchins_wk | tupi: I recommend sleep 2 or sleep 3 - the mysql problem I saw needed two seconds at least. |
| 18:54.13 | jhutchins_wk | tupi: The thing to do would be to try 3, if it works try 2, if it works try 1, keep the lowest number that works. |
| 18:54.28 | simonlnu | !reportbug |
| 18:54.28 | dpkg | reportbug is used to submit bugs to the Debian <BTS>. Install reportbug, then run reportbug. Or on the web, http://www.debian.org/Bugs/, or see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch05s04#problem-report for some general information about using reportbug and/or for <debian-installer> bug reporting. Also ask me about <report-bugs>. http://wiki.debian.org/reportbug http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting |
| 18:54.35 | seaworthy | does anyone know if RAM is important for file transfers? |
| 18:54.46 | simonlnu | i'm with jhutchins_wk there, a sleep 2 is probably better |
| 18:55.00 | tupi | unless i manually do 'service gdm3 restart', netstat -a | grep xdmcp does not retrun anything and remote access is not possible |
| 18:55.09 | tupi | this also is very very recent |
| 18:55.09 | jhutchins_wk | tupi: Yes, this should be reported to teh BTS. There may already be a bugreport but they can be a pain to find. |
| 18:55.36 | jhutchins_wk | is zero good at searching Debian bugreports. |
| 18:55.51 | tupi | jhutchins_wk, ok, will report [and check before], you did not reported it yourself then ? |
| 18:56.04 | D-Boy | no squeeze 6.0.4 iso images yet ? (netinstall) |
| 18:56.05 | jhutchins_wk | tupi: afik this is a new problem in testing, stable upstart doesn't seem to have the same problem. |
| 18:56.19 | jhutchins_wk | tupi: No, I have not had a problem - I run stable and oldstable. |
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| 18:56.30 | tupi | ah ok |
| 18:57.04 | tupi | i just can confirm it is really new, because i have 4 box, 32btis and 64 bits, they all got the desease :) |
| 18:57.06 | tupi | today |
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| 18:58.52 | jhutchins_wk | It could be that new kernel is taking longer to bring up certain NICs and that's triggering a problem that was slipping by before. |
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| 19:02.12 | tupi | yes, could be |
| 19:02.22 | tupi | running 3.1.0-1-amd64 |
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| 19:02.27 | tupi | upgraded few days ago |
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| 19:04.02 | tupi | ok, did put it in the start section and did put 3 seconds, that should be ok |
| 19:04.06 | tupi | will report |
| 19:04.34 | tupi | then, i'd like to see if you guys have an idea about this recent xdmcp not started either |
| 19:04.41 | davidgul | hi guys |
| 19:04.59 | davidgul | some one can tell me how to install and setup sftp ? |
| 19:05.10 | tupi | it's as if gdm3 would not read its daemon.conf file, but when manually 'service gdm3 restart', then the service is there |
| 19:05.41 | themill | tupi: keeping track of changes like a new kernel between working and not working setups can be handy. My suggestion of it being a timing issue was a bit of a wild guess... |
| 19:06.07 | tupi | davidgul, apt-get install openssh-client |
| 19:06.14 | tupi | themill, ok, thanks for the tip |
| 19:06.27 | themill | tupi: do you really mean xdmcp here? If so, gdm starting before the network is up will have the same problem. |
| 19:06.46 | davidgul | no i want sftp server not client |
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| 19:07.21 | themill | davidgul: openssh-server, then |
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| 19:08.47 | tupi | themill, i mean /etc/gdm3/*.conf appears not to be read at startup... but will /etc/init.d/gdm3 wiat or should i do the same trick ? |
| 19:08.52 | davidgul | and if i have alredy ssh on my system what shoud i do ? |
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| 19:09.12 | tupi | davidgul, ssh has become a dummy package |
| 19:09.23 | tupi | use openssh-client and server instead |
| 19:09.31 | themill | tupi: perhaps you really need to add the delay to /etc/init.d/networking (after the ifup call is completed) |
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| 19:09.53 | tupi | themill, and then remove from ssh ? |
| 19:09.56 | davidgul | i dont anderstand |
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| 19:10.33 | themill | tupi: yeah, if it's only needed in one place, then that's better. |
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| 19:10.35 | tupi | davidgul, 'which sftp' returns what ? |
| 19:10.52 | tupi | themill, ok, trying now |
| 19:10.54 | davidgul | what ? sory but my english is bad |
| 19:11.57 | tupi | davidgul, try this command: which sftp |
| 19:12.07 | tupi | and tell us what the system say |
| 19:13.04 | davidgul | tupi, my system returm me this "/usr/bin/sftp" |
| 19:13.16 | tupi | so it installed already |
| 19:13.48 | tupi | but for your system to trun itself a server, you need to install openssh-server package |
| 19:13.56 | davidgul | how i configure it ? |
| 19:14.02 | tupi | and then configure it in /etc/ssh |
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| 19:14.21 | tupi | you'll have to read a little, its not just like that :) |
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| 19:14.34 | Malmis | hm someone know why everything is super big when i have installed nvidia non-free drivers, but settings says i use the right resolution 1920x1080... but the screen more likely looks as 800x640 or something like that |
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| 19:14.47 | simonlnu | davidgul: configure it for what? you just use it. |
| 19:15.18 | davidgul | yes i understand thes tanks alout |
| 19:15.28 | thewanderer1 | on KDE 4.6.5, automatic indentation is failing for me in Kate - it does not indent when I press Return, instead it starts the new line from the beginning without added tabs... |
| 19:15.31 | simonlnu | davidgul: there is no "sftpd". the "sftpd" is sshd |
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| 19:17.33 | tupi | too bad, puting sleep 3 in networking still solve the sshd prob, but still no xdmcp service started |
| 19:17.39 | simonlnu | thewanderer1: i think there's a pref to fix that |
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| 19:18.41 | tupi | netstat -a | grep xdmcp and netstat -lnp | grep 177 returns nothing |
| 19:18.51 | tupi | netstat -lnp | grep xinet |
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| 19:19.12 | tupi | sorry, wrong buffer, but indeed netstat -lnp | grep xinet returns the appropriate |
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| 19:19.22 | thewanderer1 | simonlnu, the thing is, I've set auto indents to C mode (tried normal mode too), and still no luck |
| 19:19.36 | tdrusk | how can i make my user able to mount without root permissions? |
| 19:19.48 | tupi | so it really is gdm3 which for some reason does not read its daemon.log or ? don't know |
| 19:19.51 | simonlnu | try python mode |
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| 19:19.55 | thewanderer1 | tdrusk, use pmount or append your device to /etc/fstab |
| 19:19.59 | thewanderer1 | simonlnu, ok, I will |
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| 19:20.29 | phr3ak | tdrusk: "user" mount options in fstab |
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| 19:20.42 | simonlnu | we all know python relies on proper indentation ;) |
| 19:21.07 | thewanderer1 | oh wait, it says "default indentation mode", but per-document indent mode (which is "none" and I have no idea why) overrides that... silly me |
| 19:21.17 | tdrusk | thewanderer1: I am mounting a windows share. will pmount work? |
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| 19:21.36 | thewanderer1 | tdrusk, probably not... use /etc/fstab |
| 19:21.55 | tupi | i'am concerned because this machine is actually regurlarly rebooted [dual boot prob...] and automatically rebooted at night if running windows, to switch to debian at 24h and let researchers use it remotly |
| 19:22.01 | tupi | hence this config... |
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| 19:22.55 | tupi | how can i possibly track why the config settings are not read by gdm3 at boot time, or why xdmcp is not started ? i'm not sure of the vocabulary here |
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| 19:24.18 | simonlnu | thewanderer1: doh, heh |
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| 19:24.48 | thewanderer1 | now I only want to know why something (!me) set the indent mode to none |
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| 19:28.29 | tupi | is the sleep prob we talked about related to netbase ? reporting with reportbug ... |
| 19:29.06 | thewanderer1 | hmmm what sleep prob? |
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| 19:29.19 | tupi | yes, it is netbase |
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| 19:30.32 | Ivoz_ | how does one go about trying to get a new package into the debian system? |
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| 19:33.42 | themill | dpkg: tell Ivoz_ about rfp |
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| 19:34.47 | Ivoz_ | themill: thanks |
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| 19:38.24 | qwd | Is there anything similar to dmidecode that shows what ram you have? I want to know if it's one 1gb or two 512gb. The reason I'm asking is that dmidecode isn't in the repo for ppc. |
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| 19:40.48 | ectospasm | qwd: does "free" not work for you? |
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| 19:41.30 | GNU\colossus | qwd, I guess PowerPC architectures aren't DMI compliant. that's why. |
| 19:41.56 | thewanderer1 | qwd, maybe lshw can do that more portably |
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| 19:42.45 | simonlnu | qwd: /proc/device-tree |
| 19:42.58 | greycat | The real portable answer is "open the case". |
| 19:43.43 | qwd | greycat: i tried to when I was there but it turns out that's how you popped out the battery, not the lid for the memory, and i didn't have a tiny screw driver :) |
| 19:43.47 | ectospasm | oh, dur i need to learn to read the question more carefully. |
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| 19:46.02 | simonlnu | device-tree is a reflection of what open firmware's idea of the hardware and other things are |
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| 19:47.12 | qwd | I tried lshw on my pc and that does work here, I'll give it a try there as well. Thanks everyone! |
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| 19:49.53 | Mephisto | question. |
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| 19:50.12 | Mephisto | how to install nvidia driver. What the guy gave me earlier doesn't give me higher resolution. |
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| 19:51.01 | Mephisto | "/msg dpkg nvidia dkms" |
| 19:51.16 | simonlnu | nvidia one-liner |
| 19:51.32 | simonlnu | that's just to install it. the rest is up to you ;) |
| 19:51.53 | simonlnu | dkms is also to just install it. |
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| 19:52.22 | Mephisto | what's n vidia one-liner?.. |
| 19:53.15 | simonlnu | alternate of the dkms one, older way |
| 19:53.26 | simonlnu | msg the bot to read it |
| 19:53.32 | Mephisto | ok thanks |
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| 19:54.26 | jhutchins_wk | Mephisto: #nvidia |
| 19:54.36 | Mephisto | jhutchins_wk, thanks. |
| 19:54.58 | jhutchins_wk | Mephisto: I hear that using the Nvidia installer is not a good idea, but it is another way. (We can't help if you do that.) |
| 19:55.19 | Mephisto | jhutchins_wk, i dunno what to do even. |
| 19:55.26 | Mephisto | jhutchins_wk, too many options |
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| 19:55.44 | Mephisto | however, i've already tried some, that wasn't much helpful. |
| 19:55.52 | simonlnu | don't worry about it, just tweak it a bit so you get the higher res. you want |
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| 19:56.15 | Mephisto | simonlnu, ok |
| 19:56.36 | Mephisto | simonlnu, ive already tried xrandr. But just as with ATI it works, but improperly. |
| 19:56.39 | Mephisto | looks broken a bit. |
| 19:57.06 | jhutchins_wk | Remember Thomas Edison. You already know several that will not work for you and can be discarded. |
| 19:57.30 | Mephisto | i guess so. |
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| 19:58.39 | LordDeath | "No module named iotop.ui" |
| 19:58.55 | LordDeath | just installed iotop from the repositories and it doesn't work :-( |
| 19:59.10 | Mephisto | ok, i'm just following this ftp://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/195.36.31/README/README.txt |
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| 19:59.19 | Mephisto | now it tells me that i'm under X. How do i turn it off? |
| 19:59.20 | simonlnu | LordDeath: um, and we're supposed to read your mind there? |
| 19:59.25 | jhutchins_wk | LordDeath: aptitude search iotop.ui? apt-file? |
| 19:59.55 | simonlnu | if that's python, it'll be iotop/ui if anything |
| 19:59.59 | jhutchins_wk | Mephisto: CVtrl-Alt-F1, log in (as root), /etc/init.d/gdm stop. |
| 20:00.09 | Mephisto | jhutchins_wk, thank you very much. |
| 20:00.26 | jhutchins_wk | Mephisto: You may want to install a CLI browser like lynx so you can check web pages. |
| 20:00.50 | Mephisto | jhutchins_wk, yes, i thought about that, but hopefully i won't have to bother. |
| 20:00.51 | LordDeath | it seems to be this bug http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=489064 |
| 20:01.35 | simonlnu | so install python-support |
| 20:01.46 | LordDeath | it is already installed :-/ |
| 20:01.55 | simonlnu | that was a common problem with some older python packages. reinstall it. |
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| 20:02.49 | simonlnu | actually, reinstall both |
| 20:03.01 | simonlnu | aptitude reinstall foo bar |
| 20:03.12 | simonlnu | put python-support first |
| 20:04.20 | LordDeath | simonlnu: it worked :) |
| 20:04.33 | jhutchins_wk | simonlnu: Doesn't aptitude (dpkg) reorder stuff anyway? |
| 20:04.47 | simonlnu | jhutchins_wk: old habit |
| 20:05.04 | jhutchins_wk | Nothin' wrong with that. |
| 20:07.03 | simonlnu | i'm actually not sure which of those does the reordering. it didn't used to. i did notice libapt or dpkg did, but i can't tell which one. |
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| 20:09.04 | simonlnu | it sometimes gets it wrong, btw ;). you'll see that in sid often, when a package has been updated to have certain files in the binary package, but they were moved to the -common or -data package, the update will be ok, but you end up doing it twice. |
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| 20:09.43 | simonlnu | "foo file is also in package bar-tur" *dpkg dies with a broken pipe* |
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| 20:13.49 | simonlnu | << thread killer |
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| 20:18.28 | Mephisto | done it.. still the same... |
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| 20:18.45 | jhutchins_wk | I thought W7 could use a hard restart after all the nonsense it's been through today. |
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| 20:19.49 | Mephisto | not only it doesn't give me 1280x1024 - it reduces my res down to 640x480 just as i created xorg-conf using nvidia-xconfig... |
| 20:19.53 | Mephisto | is anyone familiar with that? |
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| 20:20.17 | Mephisto | xorg.conf* |
| 20:20.19 | greycat | where "it" is the proprietary nvidia driver? |
| 20:20.30 | Mephisto | yes. |
| 20:20.41 | Mephisto | somehow it doesn't detect something here... |
| 20:20.43 | simonlnu | sounds like you need a modeline |
| 20:21.04 | Mephisto | yeah, right. i did it before, but now xrandr refuses to work while nvidia is taking over. |
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| 20:21.26 | jhutchins_wk | Mephisto: You can read through all the cruft in /var/log/Xorg.0.log and see if you can figure out what actual driver is being used. |
| 20:21.26 | Mephisto | anyway, that doesn't do me no good actually. i can stretch the screen, but it still looks kinda broken, so that' out of the question |
| 20:21.33 | simonlnu | just gotta use the built-in ones |
| 20:21.36 | jhutchins_wk | Mephisto: You may be falling back to vesa because something's not working. |
| 20:21.41 | Mephisto | simonlnu, nah... |
| 20:21.45 | simonlnu | that's possible too |
| 20:21.52 | jhutchins_wk | Mephisto: iirc nvidia requires a kernel module for kms, you can use lsmod to see if that's loaded. |
| 20:22.03 | Mephisto | ok, let's see |
| 20:22.29 | simonlnu | if it's using kms, he'll have to reboot it enable kms. |
| 20:22.29 | Mephisto | drm 142279 3 nouveau,ttm,drm_kms_helper |
| 20:22.31 | jhutchins_wk | If you have a 16:9 screen a 4:3 resolution is going to look stretched. |
| 20:22.45 | Mephisto | mine is 4:3. |
| 20:22.52 | Mephisto | 19", Acer AL1914 |
| 20:23.10 | simonlnu | ah see, nouveau is in the way you'll have to blacklist it. |
| 20:23.26 | simonlnu | (insert comma in there somewhere) |
| 20:23.29 | Mephisto | maybe, but nvidia has disabled it by creating some .conf while while installing.. is it still alive? |
| 20:23.40 | simonlnu | yes, obviously it is |
| 20:23.50 | Mephisto | ok.. why can't i just purge that? |
| 20:23.53 | Mephisto | somehow... |
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| 20:24.10 | simonlnu | so it's still active. you can if you like, but the kernel module you can't. |
| 20:24.23 | Mephisto | hm... |
| 20:24.26 | simonlnu | you can remove the xorg driver easily though |
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| 20:24.43 | Mephisto | that's what i'm doing |
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| 20:24.47 | Mephisto | just in case. |
| 20:24.48 | simonlnu | you'll still need to reboot for kms to kick in |
| 20:25.00 | Mephisto | done |
| 20:25.07 | simonlnu | for video, it's the only way as it does it early |
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| 20:25.41 | jhutchins_wk | Sounds like nvidia tried to blacklist it and failed. |
| 20:25.44 | simonlnu | (i suspect that's because video driver don't handle being removed at all) |
| 20:25.45 | jhutchins_wk | !blacklist |
| 20:25.46 | dpkg | To blacklist a Linux kernel module, create/edit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local.conf and add a line similar to this (without quotes): "blacklist module_name". If this doesn't work, do 'echo "install modulename /bin/true" >> /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local.conf'. IMPORTANT: ask about <blacklist-initramfs>. To blacklist a module at installation time, ask me about <installer blacklist>. http://wiki.debian.org/KernelModuleBlacklisting |
| 20:25.54 | simonlnu | drivers* |
| 20:26.19 | Mephisto | ok, let's see.. |
| 20:26.22 | Mephisto | i think it's already there... |
| 20:26.25 | Mephisto | but i'll check.. |
| 20:26.37 | jhutchins_wk | Hm, start X, remove kernel video driver.... *POOF*! |
| 20:26.43 | Mephisto | hm.. nope.. |
| 20:27.00 | jhutchins_wk | Kinda like reaching down and pulling up the ladder you're standing on. |
| 20:27.00 | simonlnu | you can say, add a new one, but it'll be /dev/fb1 fb2 etc. you can't remove the first one while it's booted, even if it's a module. |
| 20:27.04 | Some_Person | Does Debian Xfce come with PulseAudio? |
| 20:27.06 | subopt | I'm looking for a tool like `less` that will let me search around in a file, but that will also let me hide text based on regexps. Anyone heard of something like this? |
| 20:27.22 | jhutchins_wk | Some_Person: pulseaudio is available on debian. |
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| 20:27.40 | jhutchins_wk | subopt: egrep > less |
| 20:27.41 | simonlnu | subopt: less can handle regexp |
| 20:27.45 | Mephisto | jhutchins_wk, i know, it happened to me once. I was purging stuff and suddenly the screen went dark. Good night. |
| 20:27.46 | jhutchins_wk | subopt: egrep | less |
| 20:28.02 | Mephisto | jhutchins_wk, but sometimes it works |
| 20:28.06 | Some_Person | jhutchins_wk: But does debian xfce come with it? I personally do not want it |
| 20:28.19 | Some_Person | and it's often a pain to remove |
| 20:28.21 | simonlnu | i think it's an option though, not on by default in debian's (some +option IIRC) |
| 20:28.30 | jhutchins_wk | Mephisto: At least until you look down and realize you've run past the edge of the cliff. |
| 20:28.38 | Some_Person | Oh, I should specify debian testing |
| 20:28.51 | simonlnu | same difference |
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| 20:29.04 | jhutchins_wk | Some_Person: Sounds like learning dpkg on stable might be a good idea first. |
| 20:29.06 | Some_Person | simonlnu: It's enabled by default in Debian Testing for GNOME |
| 20:29.13 | Some_Person | jhutchins_wk: ??? |
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| 20:30.45 | Mephisto | so tell me one thing.... do i have to install both nvidia driver and that "/msg dpkg nvidia dkms" thing? |
| 20:30.55 | Some_Person | jhutchins_wk: What is it that I need to learn? |
| 20:30.56 | Mephisto | what's second one anyway. |
| 20:31.33 | Mephisto | or is the latter exactly the one i have to get rid of? |
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| 20:31.39 | greycat | Sounds like it's one or the other. |
| 20:31.58 | Mephisto | hm... |
| 20:32.12 | greycat | But I could be mistaken. I don't have Nvidia stuff. |
| 20:32.39 | greycat | "/msg dpkg dkms" is also informative |
| 20:32.55 | Mephisto | i didn't have either, but i can tell you for sure, that regardless of the quality of proprietary ATI drivers they're still installed thrice as faster and easier |
| 20:33.00 | Mephisto | and it all works at once. |
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| 20:33.22 | Mephisto | and with nvidia i don't understand what's going on |
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| 20:37.30 | jhutchins_wk | Mephisto: How to quickly and easily remove something like pulseaudio? |
| 20:37.43 | jhutchins_wk | Some_Person: How to quickly and easily remove something like pulseaudio? |
| 20:37.44 | Mephisto | apt-get purge pulseaudio |
| 20:37.46 | Mephisto | apt-get purge pulseaudio* |
| 20:37.49 | Mephisto | for example. |
| 20:37.53 | jhutchins_wk | Mephisto: Failed tab completion, sorry. |
| 20:38.01 | Mephisto | jhutchins_wk, haha |
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| 20:38.30 | Mephisto | how the hell should i know? I stay away from that disasterpiece |
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| 20:39.25 | Justin__1 | Mephisto: if you had the nouveau module loaded then you were not actually using the nvidia drivers |
| 20:39.31 | Justin__1 | hrm |
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| 20:39.48 | Mephisto | Justasic, i've removed it. Now it's time to reboot to see if there's any difference. |
| 20:39.50 | jhutchins_wk | Some_Person: Since you're testing wheezy, you could try an install of the xfce desktop task on a wheezy system that doesn't have pulseaudio and document whether it installs pulseaudio, possibly even documenting which package(s) depend on it. That is, after all, why testing is availble, so people can do things like that. |
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| 20:40.45 | jhutchins_wk | wonders who the heck people think is responsible for getting these things don. It's YOU! |
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| 20:42.18 | Mephisto | ok, back |
| 20:42.31 | Mephisto | now there's no nouveau thing in lsmod. But same thing still. |
| 20:42.42 | Mephisto | i'm on damn 640x480 |
| 20:42.58 | Justin | Mephisto: read the X log. |
| 20:43.02 | Mephisto | ok |
| 20:43.02 | greycat | Check the X log, see which driver is being loaded, and see if there are any obvious errors. |
| 20:43.04 | Mephisto | hang on.. |
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| 20:43.59 | jhutchins_wk | Mephisto: Is the Nvidia module that replaces nouveau loaded? |
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| 20:44.24 | Mephisto | apparently yes |
| 20:44.28 | Mephisto | hang on, let me read the logs first |
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| 20:45.40 | Mephisto | http://pastebin.com/GptQZ6g5 |
| 20:45.42 | Mephisto | there ya go. |
| 20:45.49 | Mephisto | tell if you get any ideas. |
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| 20:47.52 | Mephisto | listen.. i remember setting up stuff for plymouth in /etc/initramfs-tools/modules |
| 20:47.54 | greycat | 149. (II) Jan 26 22:40:55 NVIDIA(0): Virtual screen size determined to be 640 x 480 |
| 20:47.57 | Mephisto | maybe that's the thing? |
| 20:48.00 | Mephisto | hm. |
| 20:48.03 | greycat | 150. (WW) Jan 26 22:40:55 NVIDIA(0): Unable to get display device CRT-0's EDID; cannot compute DPI |
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| 20:48.26 | greycat | Sounds like you need to tell it what resolution to use, because your monitor's not cooperating. |
| 20:48.58 | Mephisto | exactly, NOW we're getting somewhere |
| 20:49.43 | Mephisto | but you know something.. *looks around sneakingly*.. it doesn't give a damn what i tell it. |
| 20:49.44 | streuner_ | greycat, NVIDIA sound like big BS, and its still nvidia... |
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| 20:50.18 | greycat | I'm not defending it. |
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| 20:58.00 | setner | hi everyone |
| 20:58.09 | file-exists-p | should I worry that I can not load the module speedstep-centrino on my 3.1.0 ? or is it deprecated? |
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| 20:59.52 | Touma | alguien ha instalaod expresso livre en debian squeeze ? |
| 21:00.04 | setner | I have debian 6 testing and an EeePC 1215 with the infamous broadcom 4313... I can't connect to my home wireless network (it doesn't show up on the Network applet) although there are some wireless networks listed. Any ideas on how to install drivers for the broadcom 4313? |
| 21:00.14 | greycat | !es |
| 21:00.15 | dpkg | Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat. |
| 21:00.30 | greycat | (can't tell if that's es or pt) |
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| 21:00.47 | file-exists-p | spanish I would say |
| 21:00.56 | file-exists-p | what about my centrino problem? :) |
| 21:01.01 | setner | spanish |
| 21:01.10 | setner | I'm portuguese, I can tell the differences :) |
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| 21:01.25 | greycat | ah, typoed. "aod" was supposed to be "ado" |
| 21:01.56 | Devilholk | Hi. I get this "Silence in session ''" notification. How can I trace what's causing that? From what I understand its something in the background using the bell. |
| 21:02.10 | Devilholk | (Running KDE) |
| 21:02.55 | Devilholk | I wish it would tell me the PID or something in the notification |
| 21:03.20 | Justin | Devilholk: sounds like you turned on monitoring for silence |
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| 21:04.01 | Justin | Devilholk: http://saschpe.files.wordpress.com/2010/05/konsole-2.png |
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| 21:05.03 | Devilholk | Justin: What is "silence" then? |
| 21:05.21 | Justin | Devilholk: the opposite of activity |
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| 21:05.43 | greycat | I guess "inactivity" would have been too simple to understand. |
| 21:06.03 | Devilholk | Justin: Thanks.. I'll look into it if I can figure out how to get to the menu bar ^^ |
| 21:06.03 | Justin | screen calls it the same thing :) |
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| 21:06.24 | Justin | Devilholk: right click? |
| 21:06.28 | Devilholk | Justin: Yeah, found it =) |
| 21:06.43 | Devilholk | Yup, monitor for silence was checkd |
| 21:06.55 | Touma | anyone can install expresso livre in debian squeeze? |
| 21:06.57 | Devilholk | Must have activated it by mistake |
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| 21:07.11 | Devilholk | Justin: Thanks for the help, I was getting worried |
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| 21:07.40 | Devilholk | Now I just need to figure out how to get pulseaudio to work properly. I found a 300M log with lots of "access denied" origination from pulse audio |
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| 21:10.28 | Justin | are you not in the audio group or something? |
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| 21:11.35 | Devilholk | pulseaudio have been given me warnings on startup "per user sessions", so I looked into it and now I got it both as a system daemon and a user session at the same time, causing lots of problems. So now I purged it and installed it again |
| 21:11.40 | Devilholk | But on install I got the warning |
| 21:11.52 | Devilholk | So I'm trying to figure out where to configure it properly |
| 21:12.11 | Devilholk | So that it will only be a system daemon but still work flawless in KDE for any user in the audio group |
| 21:13.32 | Mephisto | oh well. Good ideas there fellas, but i still can't get 1280x1024.. although i've managed to setup 1024x768 somehow.. but putting a few lines in xorg.conf... |
| 21:13.41 | Mephisto | though i never specified 1024x786 there... |
| 21:14.13 | Mephisto | http://pastebin.com/dezfDuHC |
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| 21:14.30 | Mephisto | this is what i did. All resolution lines are made by me. Before there was nothing. |
| 21:14.33 | po_taka | hello i get "[fglrx] Reserved FB block: Unshared offset" error where to read for fix ? |
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| 21:15.54 | Devilholk | Now I see, I must make sure I have no config file for pulseaudio in my home dir |
| 21:16.22 | Devilholk | Wonder why the purge didn't remove those |
| 21:16.57 | Mephisto | Devilholk, you always have to check those twice, don't rely solely on purge |
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| 21:17.06 | Mephisto | sometimes shit remains |
| 21:17.21 | Devilholk | Mephisto: Yeah I guess, I still concider myself a noob on linux but damn its a nice os |
| 21:17.46 | Mephisto | Devilholk, it is charismatic in a way, yes.. but it's such a pain in the ass man.. |
| 21:17.59 | Mephisto | i ask myself sometimes "why the hell am i doing this even..." |
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| 21:18.17 | speak | Devilholk yes it is nice! :) |
| 21:18.36 | Devilholk | Mephisto: Hehe, yeah, but still, it offers you to just rewrite the parts you don't like so there is nothing to complain about. If I think something has a bad solution I should code a better one or shut up |
| 21:18.41 | speak | It takes a long while to get to know it, but if you think about it, it takes one a long while to really get to know Windows, as well |
| 21:19.06 | Devilholk | speak: Yeah, and windows make more drastic changes over the years than linux |
| 21:19.13 | Mephisto | speak, you know what's the main difference between windows and linux? |
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| 21:19.33 | Devilholk | Windows is degrading over time, linux stays the way you configured it? |
| 21:19.36 | speak | That's true in a way Devilholk, although I feel the changes aren't that drastic there either (rather superficial GUI changes) |
| 21:19.54 | speak | Mephisto enlighten me :P (My guess though: People grew up with Windows) |
| 21:19.58 | Mephisto | speak, in windows things mostly WORK. Out of the box. On linux.... maybe.. maybe not... more like not than does. It means you get a raw construction kit and whatever you do to it will be your os |
| 21:20.02 | Devilholk | speak: Yes but it makes it a pain to configure it when all configurations options suddenly have moved |
| 21:20.18 | jhutchins_wk | points the conversation to #debian-offtopic where it will be appropriate. |
| 21:20.25 | karlpinc | Mephisto: Nope. Have you actually bought a box with linux pre-installed? |
| 21:20.28 | speak | Roger jhutchins_wk |
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| 21:21.34 | Mephisto | karlpinc, listen.. i've tried many distros and each one of them has some issues. You can never just install and use THAT. It's always months of configuration and such... i can't say Debian is great, but man, it's certainly better and more flexible than the other distros. |
| 21:21.44 | Devilholk | I don't get this. In /etc/pulse I have four files. Two conf file where all the lines are comments |
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| 21:22.03 | Mephisto | Devilholk, tell me this... why did you even have pulseaudio? |
| 21:22.04 | simonlnu | months? dude, you're doing something wrong then. |
| 21:22.19 | Mephisto | simonlnu, listen, it's hardware dependent, ok? |
| 21:22.30 | Mephisto | simonlnu, so if you had no big issues doesn't mean the others don't have it |
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| 21:22.41 | jhutchins_wk | There are things that pulseaudio is useful for. |
| 21:22.53 | Devilholk | Mephisto: Cause I'm a noob and have no ideas which sound server to chose |
| 21:22.58 | Devilholk | Mephisto: What sound server do you recommend? |
| 21:23.03 | jhutchins_wk | Supposedly, there is a version of ALSA where such tasks are being addressed, but it's not ready yet. |
| 21:23.07 | Mephisto | simonlnu, for example, did you initially have probs with ALSA?.. Was everything ok with it "out of the box"? Not for me. I had to rebuild that thing using module-assistant. |
| 21:23.16 | Mephisto | Devilholk, only ALSA. ONLY. |
| 21:23.18 | simonlnu | i've had issues.. you're not alone. |
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| 21:23.33 | Devilholk | Mephisto: I'll try that =) |
| 21:23.35 | Devilholk | Thanks |
| 21:23.36 | Mephisto | Devilholk, if it doesn't work - then make it work by any cost possible. But stay away from PA. It's junk. |
| 21:23.40 | Mephisto | Devilholk, ok. |
| 21:23.55 | simonlnu | taking an iosolationist attitude to this is counter-productive. |
| 21:24.00 | simonlnu | isola* |
| 21:24.19 | jhutchins_wk | Mephisto: I would agree that it creates more problems than it solves, especially if installed by default, but it has it's uses (redirecting sound to another device for instance). |
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| 21:25.12 | Mephisto | simonlnu, i just gave you an example of what things can be here. And you know what? Nobody helped me with that issue, and yeah, i spent weeks solving it, messing with some soundrc.conf and stuff but that was just a waste until one random dutch guy told me to try rebuilding ALSA from sources. That worked. |
| 21:25.26 | Mephisto | simonlnu, i mean nobody helped me HERE. |
| 21:26.12 | Mephisto | simonlnu, noone had any clue about it. That's what i mean. That's how you can spend months doing some seemingly tiny issue. No audio... big deal... BIG DEAL? Eat this! |
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| 21:26.46 | Mephisto | and here i am again facing yet another ridiculous prob.. |
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| 21:26.54 | simonlnu | *shrug*. dude, take it easy ok? yes, it's a big deal to you, but you need some perspective. |
| 21:26.57 | jhutchins_wk | Mephisto: We're just fellow users, usually with our own obscure questions, who happen to have attention to spare at the moment and know possible answers to some of the problems that come up. |
| 21:27.06 | Mephisto | whereas on windows i'd have been watching movies already.... i'm not praising windows, i'm just being straight about things. |
| 21:27.18 | Devilholk | Seems to work. I better just tweak the mixer some later |
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| 21:27.30 | Mephisto | Devilholk, congrats. |
| 21:27.32 | jhutchins_wk | Mephisto: If Windows works better for you, go with it. |
| 21:27.53 | greycat | If your rant is about drivers for new hardware, then yes, it's a known issue. The solutions are to use slightly older hardware for which free drivers exist, or to wait for free drivers to be written for your new hardware. |
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| 21:28.01 | Mephisto | jhutchins_wk, you're right. But i like linux too for some reasons. That's why i'm doing this. |
| 21:28.17 | Mephisto | jhutchins_wk, i mean.. i'm not on the verge of annoyance yet. |
| 21:28.35 | karlpinc | Mephisto: Or, buy something with Linux pre-installed. |
| 21:28.35 | Mephisto | jhutchins_wk, so i can struggle just a bit more. But everything has limits though :) |
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| 21:29.01 | Mephisto | karlpimc, that's irrelevant. I can just as well use windows speaking of "buy". |
| 21:29.16 | simonlnu | Mephisto: yes exactly what greycat said. the hardware is still made with windows in mind. it used to be that linux wasn't even considered. now it is, but not always. |
| 21:29.17 | jhutchins_wk | Mephisto: Have you tried #nvidia? |
| 21:29.22 | Mephisto | linux beauty is in first place - it's free. |
| 21:29.29 | Mephisto | hm.. |
| 21:29.44 | Mephisto | jhutchins_wk, yes, they didn't reply while i was still there... let me get back there.. |
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| 21:29.59 | greycat | Companies who make new hardware have to write their *own* drivers for it, for Windows, or they wouldn't be able to sell it. |
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| 21:30.19 | Mephisto | .. in fact, i don't have much other probs here. All works, but few things tend to be persisent though. That's why i'm still fighting hoping to put a permanent end to it. |
| 21:30.19 | karlpinc | Mephisto: It's not a irrelevant. It's called "having someone else do the work". And the beauty of Linux is that it's libre. |
| 21:30.26 | simonlnu | so if you have new hardware, a distro kernel won't necessarily have the driver built for you, and thus udev detection will fail, no matter what you do. to expect it to be otherwise is foolish, imo. |
| 21:30.29 | jhutchins_wk | USB-Serial adapters for instance. Linux: Plug in, use. Windows: plug in, unplug, remove incorrect driver, install correct driver, plug in, fail, find newer proprietary driver, try again. |
| 21:30.36 | greycat | They can afford not to write Linux drivers, because the number of customers they lose by not having functional Linux drivers is minuscule compared to the Windows user market. |
| 21:30.55 | simonlnu | yup |
| 21:30.57 | Devilholk | jhutchins_wk: That describes a lot of hours in my life |
| 21:31.32 | simonlnu | Mephisto: they can't answer you if you're not there ;) |
| 21:31.34 | jhutchins_wk | Mephisto: THere is a limited set of people who have experience with your specific hardware here. Some of us have general knowledge which might be helpful, but you might be better off searching archived forums for your chipset + xorg. |
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| 21:31.56 | Justin | jhutchins_wk: it's not the chipset, the monitor is not working right |
| 21:31.57 | greycat | Or asking in an Nvidia channel. |
| 21:32.07 | jhutchins_wk | Linux has like 1% of the market. |
| 21:32.22 | jhutchins_wk | Some monitors don't like some adapters. |
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| 21:32.43 | jhutchins_wk | I have an Intel micro-ATX that will do 1440x900 with a BIOS update - but the artifacts are just horrible. |
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| 21:33.50 | Mephisto | jhutchins_wk, i see. It's ok. |
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| 21:34.38 | jhutchins_wk | Mephisto: No reason not to keep trying, keep searchng the forums, etc. |
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| 21:34.51 | Mephisto | jhutchins_wk, i am.. |
| 21:35.21 | jhutchins_wk | Mephisto: With IRC, you get whoever is on RIGHT NOW and paying attention. With forums, you get a spectrum of people spread over their available time, which gives you much better chances of hitting an answer, if not quite so quickly. |
| 21:35.52 | jhutchins_wk | Mephisto: Just remember: We're just other users who can't afford your videdo card. |
| 21:36.08 | THE_GFR|WORK | has a GTX 580 |
| 21:36.50 | Mephisto | i use forums... sometimes they help, sometimes not... basically they're as good as you people. I mean.. not say anything bad, but i can't say i get there much more help than here. So i guess what really works here is multiplicity of posts and not really on kind of people... |
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| 21:36.57 | Mephisto | kind of people* |
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| 21:37.23 | jhutchins_wk | Gods, the powerbrick for this HP is HUGE! It's gotta weigh three pounds. |
| 21:37.32 | THE_GFR|WORK | lol |
| 21:37.33 | Devilholk | Everyone wants to live next door to a linux guru ^^ |
| 21:37.39 | Mephisto | :) |
| 21:37.41 | THE_GFR|WORK | heh |
| 21:37.44 | THE_GFR|WORK | true |
| 21:37.52 | jhutchins_wk | l8r. |
| 21:37.53 | THE_GFR|WORK | glad I live near Linus Torvalds |
| 21:38.23 | Devilholk | Though the linux gurus I've met IRL have not been very helpful. They have said "type this and that" but no explanation what it does ^^ |
| 21:38.37 | Mephisto | Devilholk, you forgot to pay them |
| 21:38.43 | Mephisto | for their precious time |
| 21:38.44 | Kull | Devilholk: I dont, I just want to be able to have access to her/him on IRC. |
| 21:38.48 | streuner_ | lol |
| 21:38.53 | Devilholk | Mephisto: They have been bums.. |
| 21:38.58 | Kull | Neackbeards IRL disgust me. I can barely tolerate myself. |
| 21:39.36 | Kull | 's box is *nix and his face is beard. |
| 21:39.41 | Kull | is the internet |
| 21:39.53 | Mephisto | hey |
| 21:39.54 | Mephisto | http://linux.bigresource.com/Debian-Multimedia-External-LCD-with-low-resolution--PxeKxgrUA.html |
| 21:39.57 | Mephisto | that's exactly my prob. |
| 21:40.14 | Devilholk | I should shave soon. I get my facial hair in my mouth all the time |
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| 21:40.38 | Mephisto | and my monitor is also identified as CRT-0 |
| 21:41.21 | Justin | Mephisto: it's not? |
| 21:41.24 | Kull | Mephisto: you can use xrandr and gtf to force a resolution |
| 21:41.36 | Mephisto | Justin, of course not. It's LCD |
| 21:41.57 | Justin | Mephisto: "of course not" like we should know that? |
| 21:42.00 | Mephisto | xrandr doesn't work now with nvidia driver loaded. It acts differently. Now.. gtf on the other hand... does seem to function.. |
| 21:42.03 | Mephisto | let me try.. |
| 21:42.10 | Mephisto | Justin, well i've mentioned that above... |
| 21:42.24 | Mephisto | Justin, and you could've guessed by the way i said that it's not CRT |
| 21:42.48 | Justin | then http://forums.nvidia.com/index.php?showtopic=73027 is your problem |
| 21:43.08 | Justin | apparently nvidia never bothered to fix that bug |
| 21:43.19 | Mephisto | now i'm gonna give it a go... |
| 21:43.22 | Mephisto | hopefully it works... |
| 21:43.27 | Mephisto | let me see.. |
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| 21:45.38 | Justin | apparently 'Option "UseEdid" "False"' might work as well |
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| 21:46.18 | Mephisto | ok.. thanks for your help :) |
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| 21:46.26 | DarkUranium | hey |
| 21:46.33 | Justin | or just connecting the monitor via an analog cable |
| 21:46.43 | DarkUranium | any idea what could make sshd not accept connections anymore? |
| 21:46.51 | Justin | or 'Option "ConnectedMonitor" "DFP-0"' |
| 21:46.59 | Justin | DarkUranium: what did you do to break it? |
| 21:47.13 | DarkUranium | Justin: nothing... just noticed today that it doesn't work anymore all of sudden |
| 21:47.15 | DarkUranium | hmm |
| 21:47.26 | Justin | is sshd actually running? |
| 21:47.30 | Mephisto | Justin, thanks... probably the cable is also the issue... |
| 21:47.32 | DarkUranium | yup |
| 21:47.36 | DarkUranium | but I get "the connection was aborted" |
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| 21:47.45 | Justin | DarkUranium: telnet localhost 22 |
| 21:48.10 | speak | Oh not fair, you say "off-topic" and still the chat continues! |
| 21:48.25 | speak | Oh, and I was scrolled up... Still, my point stands! *cough* |
| 21:48.47 | karlpinc | speak: We lack disipline. |
| 21:49.11 | DarkUranium | Justin: well, here, it actually freezes |
| 21:49.14 | DarkUranium | telnet output |
| 21:49.15 | DarkUranium | hang on |
| 21:49.44 | Mephisto | ok... let's see what we got.. brb.. |
| 21:49.46 | DarkUranium | Justin: SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_5.5p1 Debian-6+squeeze1 |
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| 21:50.28 | Justin | DarkUranium: ssh localhost ? |
| 21:50.36 | DarkUranium | Justin: ssh localhost from where? =\ |
| 21:50.52 | DarkUranium | that was telnet <server> 22 |
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| 21:51.04 | Justin | DarkUranium: ssh -vv server |
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| 21:51.44 | DarkUranium | hm, tried -vvv, but there was too much noise... lemme try -vv then |
| 21:51.52 | DarkUranium | Justin: what am I looking for? |
| 21:51.57 | Justin | DarkUranium: the problem? |
| 21:52.24 | DarkUranium | yeah, but I mean what specifically |
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| 21:52.58 | Justin | DarkUranium: you're the one saying your ssh connections are not working... |
| 21:53.25 | DarkUranium | Justin: yeah, but I don't know how to tell whether something is an anomaly or not... though I do have another server to compare it to, hang on |
| 21:54.16 | karlpinc | DarkUranium: You could also look at the server's log messages. |
| 21:54.21 | DarkUranium | Justin: the last message before the client freezes is "debug2: channel 0: open confirm rwindow 0 rmax 32768" |
| 21:54.28 | DarkUranium | karlpinc: heh, how did I forget about those xD |
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| 21:55.18 | DarkUranium | karlpinc: which log file does sshd use by default? syslog? |
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| 21:56.15 | karlpinc | DarkUranium: IIRC everything goes into syslog. Otherwise, daemon, except for security stuff which is in auth or security or some such. |
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| 21:57.20 | Justin | DarkUranium: that's not really relevant, just use ssh -v and compare to the other server |
| 21:57.29 | Mephisto | nope... nothing |
| 21:57.45 | DarkUranium | karlpinc: nothing about sshd =\ |
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| 21:57.57 | DarkUranium | Justin: I did, the difference is that the server which works has this: |
| 21:58.18 | DarkUranium | Justin: debug2: channel 0: rcvd adjust 2097152 |
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| 21:58.35 | Justin | DarkUranium: that's not really relevant |
| 21:58.38 | DarkUranium | Justin: the one which *doesn't* work freezes on the line before that, on "debug2: channel 0: open confirm rwindow 0 rmax 32768" |
| 21:58.42 | DarkUranium | Justin: that's the only difference. |
| 21:58.49 | DarkUranium | minus ip/port |
| 21:59.10 | Justin | it goes through all the kex stuff? |
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| 21:59.28 | DarkUranium | Justin: you mean authentication? |
| 21:59.30 | DarkUranium | debug1: Authentication succeeded (publickey). |
| 21:59.44 | DarkUranium | both servers use publickey auth, so this is not any different |
| 21:59.50 | Justin | oh, you really have no clue what you are looking at lol.. nevermind |
| 21:59.55 | Justin | so it says that, and THEN hangs? |
| 22:00.19 | DarkUranium | Justin: yup |
| 22:00.22 | Justin | oh |
| 22:00.26 | Justin | you don't have a ssh problem |
| 22:00.31 | DarkUranium | what's the problem then? |
| 22:00.32 | Justin | your system is just hosed |
| 22:00.38 | DarkUranium | huh? |
| 22:00.45 | DarkUranium | which is "your" then, local or remote? |
| 22:00.49 | DarkUranium | as in, client or server? |
| 22:00.54 | Justin | server |
| 22:00.58 | DarkUranium | =\ |
| 22:01.00 | DarkUranium | how? |
| 22:01.16 | DarkUranium | I didn't change anything, and it stopped working overnight... |
| 22:01.47 | karlpinc | DarkUranium: Do you have shell on it or is it remote? |
| 22:02.06 | DarkUranium | karlpinc: I sort of have a shell on it, via webmin |
| 22:02.18 | DarkUranium | good thing I installed that - I was like "nah, I don't need that... but maybe, just in case" |
| 22:02.18 | DarkUranium | heh. |
| 22:02.30 | jhutchins | !webmin |
| 22:02.30 | dpkg | Webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Removed from Debian post-Sarge, see http://bugs.debian.org/343897 . The Debian package from webmin.com is of poor quality. See <free whcp> for alternatives. |
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| 22:02.52 | karlpinc | DarkUranium: It responds to http? |
| 22:03.02 | DarkUranium | it responds to everything, except for SFTP/SSH |
| 22:03.21 | DarkUranium | I can even get the server to provide the "SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_5.5p1 Debian-6+squeeze1" string when I connect via telnet |
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| 22:03.33 | DarkUranium | !free whcp |
| 22:03.33 | dpkg | FOSS Web Hosting Control Panels include: <DTC>, <GNUPanel>, <ISPConfig> and <ispCP> Omega. Don't use <Webmin>. http://wiki.debian.org/HostingControlPanels |
| 22:03.35 | Justin | DarkUranium: it's responding to ssh just fine |
| 22:04.03 | jhutchins | DarkUranium: This is the kind of ting webmin often messes up (ssh access). |
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| 22:04.12 | karlpinc | !tell DarkUranium about msg the bot |
| 22:04.13 | DarkUranium | jhutchins: any idea how to fix it? =\ |
| 22:04.15 | jhutchins | DarkUranium: Are you trying to connect as root or as a regular user? |
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| 22:04.31 | DarkUranium | and karlpinc, a single query is not a conversation. |
| 22:04.37 | DarkUranium | jhutchins: tried both, neither worked |
| 22:05.06 | karlpinc | DarkUranium: Don't have single queries either then. |
| 22:05.47 | DarkUranium | karlpinc: you're not helping. And if single queries are not allowed in here, why the hell even have them in here? |
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| 22:07.00 | karlpinc | DarkUranium: It's not helpful to clutter the channel. They're here so the whole channel can see them when it's worth showing them to the channel. |
| 22:07.31 | DarkUranium | karlpinc: given that I was about to ask on suggestions as to which I should pick for future reference, it *IS* worth showing them to the channel |
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| 22:07.36 | supernice | hello |
| 22:07.56 | DarkUranium | anyways, jhutchins, any ideas? |
| 22:09.03 | supernice | i have multiple nics/ips in my server as proxy server and i want to be able to connect to each ip alone like if i use proxy-ip2 then when i visit a webpage that ip will be shown, and so on...any tips ? |
| 22:09.11 | karlpinc | DarkUranium: What actually happens when you ssh in. You don't get a prompt? Did you try pressing enter? (You could try goofing around with the ssh escape, but perhaps the thing to do is to try to figure out how it is that the shell is broken.) Maybe "ssh foo@example.com bash" would work? |
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| 22:09.30 | DarkUranium | karlpinc - the whole shell freezes, it doesn't even respond to interrupts |
| 22:09.34 | DarkUranium | hell, I can't even close the shell's window |
| 22:09.41 | karlpinc | DarkUranium: You get a shell prompt? |
| 22:09.44 | DarkUranium | nope |
| 22:09.56 | DarkUranium | not a single line of output |
| 22:10.22 | jhutchins | DarkUranium: The problem I always had with webmin is that it changes the configuration of standard serverices, but it didn't do so by changing the standard config files, so it was really hard to find out WHERE it had broken things. |
| 22:10.26 | karlpinc | DarkUranium: You're probably not in a shell, even though logged in. (And executing remote commands via the ssh command won't help then. :-P |
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| 22:10.32 | DarkUranium | not here anyways - when I try to login as a different user, I have to manually enter the password (I use public/private key pair here) to get this done |
| 22:10.36 | jhutchins | DarkUranium: I don't know if it still does that or not. |
| 22:10.42 | DarkUranium | karlpinc: the user's shell is /bin/bash though...? |
| 22:10.59 | jhutchins | DarkUranium: Can you enable telnet through webmin? |
| 22:11.44 | karlpinc | jhutchins: Lordy, though what else is there? rsh? |
| 22:12.02 | DarkUranium | jhutchins: lemme install telnetd, sec |
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| 22:12.51 | jhutchins | karlpinc: ssh is so good nobody bothers to write alternatives. |
| 22:14.06 | jhutchins | DarkUranium: Did you try restarting sshd? |
| 22:14.25 | jhutchins | DarkUranium: What about rebooting the server? |
| 22:14.26 | karlpinc | jhutchins: Though if he's not in a shell in ssh he's not likely to get a shell via telnet. But then again, who knows? |
| 22:14.37 | DarkUranium | jhutchins: yup; after that didn't work, I've tried restarting the whole thing (in case it was some kernel update that I've installed, but overlooked) |
| 22:14.53 | jhutchins | DarkUranium: Is it possible someone is overloading the sshd with a brute force attack? I've had two of those that got around throttling in the past month. |
| 22:15.16 | jhutchins | DarkUranium: Which kernel are you running? |
| 22:15.20 | DarkUranium | jhutchins: hrm, I doubt it - I do get the string when I connect to telnet, see |
| 22:15.34 | DarkUranium | jhutchins: 2.6.32-5-amd64 |
| 22:15.48 | mtrd` | Hello. Does cron run his daily scripts on computer turning on (if the specified hour is far) |
| 22:15.52 | mtrd` | ? |
| 22:15.55 | jhutchins | No known ssh issues. Pretty sure it's webmin. |
| 22:15.59 | nancy- | kbit/s is kilobits not kilobyts? there are 8 bits in one byte. so if vnstat says its rx is 269 Kbit/s its 269 kilobits per second. not 269 kilobyts per second ? |
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| 22:16.24 | jhutchins | mtrd`: There is a system called anacron that used to do that. I don't reboot much so I'm not sure if it's current on Debian. |
| 22:16.44 | mtrd` | okay, thank you jhutchins |
| 22:16.59 | jhutchins | mtrd`: iirc it's what Mandriva used. |
| 22:17.07 | somiaj | nancy-: correct, some speed test show bits some show bytes...just have to be careful on those units. |
| 22:17.55 | somiaj | but kbit/s vs kbyte/s is obvious, 'kbps' is a common abrivation that usually manes bits, but I've seen it abused. |
| 22:17.59 | jhutchins | nancy-: It's hard to be sure what people mean too. Drive manufacturers tend to take n*1000 to be kilo, while computer engineers mean n*1024 |
| 22:19.11 | nancy- | jhulst, hm |
| 22:19.15 | nancy- | Some_Person, i see |
| 22:19.16 | somiaj | yea, I bought two different 16Gbyte sd cards recentally, one company sent me 16*1024*1024, the other sent me 16*1000*1000 bytes, caught me off guard when i tried to mirror them. |
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| 22:19.39 | Some_Person | nancy-: ? |
| 22:19.57 | somiaj | probabaly a bad tab-completion |
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| 22:20.05 | nancy- | sory it was for jomia |
| 22:20.06 | nancy- | j |
| 22:20.11 | nancy- | Some_Person, ^ |
| 22:20.35 | jhutchins | DarkUranium: I wonder if you could restart the server and NOT load webmin, and if that would help... |
| 22:20.49 | jhutchins | nancy-: somiaj |
| 22:20.50 | DarkUranium | jhutchins: problem there is that I have no way of accessing the server after that |
| 22:20.57 | DarkUranium | jhutchins: (if it doesn't work) |
| 22:21.01 | jhutchins | Ah. There is that. |
| 22:21.39 | jhutchins | Server becomes very expensive brick. |
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| 22:22.23 | DarkUranium | lol yeah |
| 22:22.25 | Scr4tchY | Just buy a 1U rack and a Computer mainboard |
| 22:22.28 | Scr4tchY | Its cheap ^^ |
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| 22:22.43 | DarkUranium | Scr4tchY: do you realize how unreliable electricity and ISPs are in these parts? >_< |
| 22:22.55 | Scr4tchY | COmputer Mainboard + DoubleSocket + ipmi = Server mainboard |
| 22:22.56 | jhutchins | Nothing rackmount is cheap. |
| 22:23.06 | Scr4tchY | DarkUranium: sorry ? |
| 22:23.18 | Scr4tchY | If you don't need double socket or ipmi, its ok XD |
| 22:23.23 | jhutchins | DarkUranium: No out-of-band management like a serial console? |
| 22:23.27 | Scr4tchY | You just need a good powersupply |
| 22:23.33 | DarkUranium | jhutchins: there possibly is one, checking |
| 22:23.39 | jhutchins | Scr4tchY: We need to recover the server. |
| 22:23.49 | DarkUranium | well, I know there is one |
| 22:23.58 | DarkUranium | I just dunno if it's enabled 'n' stuff. |
| 22:24.06 | Scr4tchY | ah ok sry, didnt read the discussion |
| 22:24.06 | jhutchins | DarkUranium: Ah! The question is, do you have access? Probably have to ask the hoster. |
| 22:24.06 | Scr4tchY | xD |
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| 22:24.10 | toutou777 | hello |
| 22:24.15 | Scr4tchY | Just read: server is expensive :p |
| 22:24.35 | toutou777 | exist problem on my debian/sid with my nvidia 430 gt : kernel log NVRM: Xid (0000:01:00): 32, Channel ID 00000001 intr 00800000 |
| 22:25.00 | somiaj | toutou777: have you checked the bts? |
| 22:25.09 | toutou777 | bts ? |
| 22:25.16 | jhutchins | Scr4tchY: Hosted server that does not respond to anything any better than a brick does is a very expensive brick. |
| 22:25.27 | streuner_ | hands somiaj the btssmite |
| 22:25.30 | Scr4tchY | xDD |
| 22:25.37 | Scr4tchY | Hosted where ? x) |
| 22:25.39 | somiaj | !tell toutou777 about bts |
| 22:26.03 | Scr4tchY | I located for loooonng months Brick R410 Servers with 32Gb of RAM |
| 22:26.03 | jhutchins | Scr4tchY: The problem is that his ssh daemon has stopped responding after an update, and webmin may be involved. |
| 22:26.08 | Scr4tchY | Now I subscribed a Housing Offer |
| 22:26.10 | wolfric | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/release/current-live/i386/ what are all these in reference to? i can't find seem to find anything in wiki/documentation doc |
| 22:26.15 | Scr4tchY | and constructed my own servers |
| 22:26.23 | somiaj | haha, "users of testing and unstable are required to check the BTS" -- I find that part of the factoid funny. |
| 22:26.25 | Scr4tchY | But... |
| 22:26.31 | tuv | cate (testing weekly) debian-installer create a GUID partition table? |
| 22:26.32 | Scr4tchY | You don't have something like KVM or iDrac ? |
| 22:26.34 | Scr4tchY | =o |
| 22:26.43 | toutou777 | somiaj: thk, ok i see this... |
| 22:26.53 | jhutchins | Scr4tchY: That's what he's looking for now. |
| 22:27.02 | Scr4tchY | lawl ^^ |
| 22:27.06 | somiaj | wolfric: they are the different images for debian live (they can install but aren't the debian-installer). Check live.debian.net |
| 22:27.07 | DarkUranium | jhutchins: what the hell... An email sent 8 days ago by sendmail on my server (never had time to fully configure it) has just arrived |
| 22:27.20 | Scr4tchY | That's why we don't do the updates on a server... =D |
| 22:27.27 | somiaj | wolfric: they are just various images for different types of situations, the iso-hybrid is what most will want for a cdrom or a usbdrive |
| 22:27.29 | Scr4tchY | Especially on a non-KVM/iDrac server. |
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| 22:27.51 | wolfric | somiaj: i did, i don't seewhere it explains the differences o.O |
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| 22:28.47 | jhutchins | DarkUranium: Who knows, try ssh again, maybe it recovered from something. |
| 22:28.58 | karlpinc | jhutchins: I missed the part about "after an update". I thought it just stopped working out of the blue. |
| 22:29.10 | karlpinc | jhutchins: (Don't see it in the backlog.....) |
| 22:29.14 | somiaj | wolfric: http://live.debian.net/manual/html/index.en.html -- that talks about the different images, but doesn't give a comparasion |
| 22:29.19 | DarkUranium | jhutchins: nope =\ |
| 22:29.44 | Scr4tchY | Electric reboot? Nop ? |
| 22:29.58 | jhutchins | karlpinc: You may be right. With webmin you never know <grin>. |
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| 22:30.19 | jhutchins | Scr4tchY: He was able to reboot, didn't fix it. |
| 22:30.23 | Scr4tchY | Ok |
| 22:30.31 | Scr4tchY | Arg why webmin :p |
| 22:30.34 | tuv | how do i create a gpt partition table? |
| 22:30.36 | jhutchins | DarkUranium: What happened with telnet? |
| 22:30.42 | DarkUranium | jhutchins: no luck |
| 22:30.57 | Scr4tchY | Tchuss |
| 22:30.58 | jhutchins | DarkUranium: Not "did it work", "What happened?" |
| 22:31.13 | wolfric | somiaj: so for example, where abouts is the part that specifies what "web" directory contains? |
| 22:31.19 | karlpinc | tuv: parted (or gparted) will work, although I find it a pita. |
| 22:31.23 | DarkUranium | jhutchins: trying to figure that out :P |
| 22:31.37 | DarkUranium | jhutchins: I basically have an empty... prompt? Well, it does accept input. |
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| 22:32.07 | karlpinc | DarkUranium: It sounds just like what's happening with ssh. Like your shell is borked. |
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| 22:32.20 | DarkUranium | jhutchins: says "authorization failed" after a while in telnet |
| 22:32.23 | jhutchins | wonders if the default shell is corrupt. |
| 22:32.36 | DarkUranium | hmm |
| 22:32.41 | DarkUranium | lemme try changing it to something else |
| 22:32.56 | jhutchins | or ssh <host> -c /bin/sh |
| 22:33.09 | jhutchins | (not sure that's the correct format) |
| 22:33.11 | tuv | karlpinc: are they available on debian-installer images? |
| 22:33.20 | karlpinc | jhutchins: Doesn't ssh rely on the shell on the far side to execute that? |
| 22:33.21 | tuv | or full dvd insallation images? |
| 22:33.54 | karlpinc | tuv: I think the netinstall is enough. You may (or may not) need to start it in expert mode. See the installation guide. |
| 22:34.27 | DarkUranium | jhutchins: -c is cipher |
| 22:34.36 | DarkUranium | cypher_spec |
| 22:34.47 | karlpinc | jhutchins: I say that because pipes and so forth work, so I assume there's a shell at the other end. |
| 22:35.14 | karlpinc | DarkUranium: You just leave off the -c. (I suggested this long ago, above.) |
| 22:35.22 | DarkUranium | karlpinc: yeah, figured as much |
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| 22:35.51 | innociv | Why does this users ssh get closed right after log in? Jan 26 11:27:47 rph sshd[18769]: pam_unix(sshd:session): session opened for user support by (uid=0) Jan 26 11:27:47 rph sshd[18769]: pam_unix(sshd:session): session closed for user support. http://pastebin.com/U540bRmC If anyone in the sftp group connects to ssh then ssh closed immediately after auth |
| 22:36.02 | somiaj | hmm, any way to force bash to glob in alphanumeric order, i.e. 'mplayer *' isn't playing this one directory in order because of * isn't filling things out in alphanumeric order. |
| 22:36.27 | DarkUranium | somiaj: pipe it to the sort program |
| 22:36.28 | DarkUranium | "sort" |
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| 22:37.19 | jhutchins | DarkUranium: Found this suggestion: ssh -n <hostname> xterm & - this should launch an xterm that displays on your system. |
| 22:37.42 | DarkUranium | jhutchins: unfortunately, I'm not in an Unix system ATM =\ |
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| 22:38.14 | jhutchins | The command would be ssh <host> /path/to/command - but that would run command in the default shell. |
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| 22:39.07 | karlpinc | DarkUranium: There is a free MS X server.... |
| 22:39.26 | karlpinc | DarkUranium: (For MS, not by MS.) |
| 22:39.33 | DarkUranium | I think I'm gonna install ksh or zsh or something for an alt shell |
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| 22:40.14 | sstack | hello, shouldn't gnome metapackage depends on gnome-www-browser instead of only epiphany ? |
| 22:40.47 | sstack | for example I want to use firefox but not marking auto installed all the packages installed from gnome meta package (in order to remove epiphany package) |
| 22:40.53 | jhutchins | Hm. Some systems install alt shells by default, my lenny just has bash and symlinks for rbash and sh |
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| 22:41.36 | jhutchins | Could be permissions on user's homedir issue preventing the shell from starting. |
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| 22:41.55 | jhutchins | That shouldn't prevent telnet auth though. |
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| 22:42.07 | jhutchins | DarkUranium: REmember to turn telnet off when you're done trying it. |
| 22:42.14 | DarkUranium | jhutchins: yeah, I will |
| 22:42.31 | DarkUranium | jhutchins: but I sitll get connections aborted despite all -n ksh's and whatnots |
| 22:42.34 | jhutchins | will go start the chili and think about this. |
| 22:42.35 | SupYoshi | Hi, I've a linux server, running Minecraft..., updating everything frequently, and I have fail2ban, and use "secure" passwords for ftp and ssh which are both protected with fail2ban |
| 22:42.50 | DarkUranium | I did find a sort-of-working shell in webmin |
| 22:42.57 | SupYoshi | Question is, I'm reading about IP tables, do I really need IPtables? |
| 22:43.22 | SupYoshi | I don't install any much else then the default Debian stuff, and I run mysql, |
| 22:43.35 | DarkUranium | jhutchins: I'll try to change the shell in /etc/passwd |
| 22:43.53 | karlpinc | SupYoshi: Can't hurt. Defense in depth. (FWIW, I prefer ferm over raw iptables. YMMV.) |
| 22:44.09 | karlpinc | DarkUranium: You could change the home dir to / also. |
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| 22:44.43 | DarkUranium | karlpinc: good idea |
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| 22:48.48 | cloudy00 | I have just tried to install debian testing on a laptop using a dvd image from the weekly builds download section. I immediately got an error about kernel versions not matching and was advised to basically abort installation. Why do kernel modules/version not match? |
| 22:49.16 | SupYoshi | Yes im thinking about setting up TeamSpeak on my server... and I think I want to use iptables .. or some other firewall for it ;) Makes me feel more safe... hehe |
| 22:49.20 | cloudy00 | I cannot do netsinstall, so what's going wrong? |
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| 22:52.02 | karlpinc | cloudy00: You're using the installer being developed for the next release. You want to install stable and then upgrade -- perhaps. See the <moving target> factoid. |
| 22:53.22 | zykotick9 | cloudy00: you could try the stable netinstall, then transistion (avoiding the term "upgrade") to Wheezy/testing. |
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| 22:54.08 | juniorsa | Hi, one of my friends just did a chmod -r 777 /var is this something that can be fixed in a reasonable amount of time |
| 22:54.40 | SupYoshi | karlpinc: Why do you consider ferm? / prefer that, I am not really a guru with Linux, but I can handle myself but i would like to know why you use ferm better |
| 22:54.42 | quebre | juniorsa: no :D |
| 22:54.57 | quebre | juniorsa: you will have to set it all back how it was manually |
| 22:55.22 | karlpinc | SupYoshi: It's readable. Just synatic sugar. |
| 22:56.09 | karlpinc | juniorsa: You could probably script something that will pull the permissions off a backup, but it'd be easier to just restore. |
| 22:56.13 | cloudy00 | thanks karlpinc & zykotick9! I cannot believe i made so simple an error! It had occured to me to transition from stable. But will stable netsintall include wireless utility (networkmanager, etc...) to connect wirelessly? |
| 22:56.20 | juniorsa | no backup |
| 22:56.54 | juniorsa | should we install a new machine and migrate the data over? this really sucks |
| 22:57.31 | karlpinc | juniorsa: You could get the permissions off an existing machine. |
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| 22:57.59 | juniorsa | ok I'll give it a try, is there any script that can do that? |
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| 22:58.23 | cloudy00 | also, where do i find <moving target> factoid? |
| 22:58.38 | karlpinc | cloudy00: You type "/msg dpkg moving target" into your irc client. |
| 22:58.46 | Lars_G | I'm going to ask something very stupid. I probably know the answer is no, and I know there might be better ways. Please don't hate me :D, is there any way to make a metapackage that would have some of it's requirements be installed without debconf kicking in? |
| 22:59.07 | cloudy00 | thanks karlpinc |
| 22:59.09 | quebre | juniorsa: you can write one, should be trivial |
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| 22:59.18 | karlpinc | cloudy00: I'm unclear on what wireless suppout the installer has. See the install guide. See also the <kmuto> factoid. |
| 22:59.29 | seaworthy | what is a good light webbrowser for debian? |
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| 22:59.40 | quebre | juniorsa: just get ls -laR /var from other machine and having that, you can write the script |
| 22:59.43 | delvalle26 | seaworthy: gui or cli? |
| 23:00.04 | seaworthy | cli |
| 23:00.11 | delvalle26 | I am a fan of elinks :) |
| 23:00.15 | zykotick9 | cloudy00: be aware that the install only supports open/WEP wireless... and you might run into firmware issues for you card. A lot easier to use ethernet. |
| 23:00.19 | seaworthy | and gui? |
| 23:00.27 | delvalle26 | I like uzbl (webkit based) |
| 23:00.43 | juniorsa | anyone good at writing scripts ? I can't I wish I could |
| 23:01.10 | Lars_G | delvalle26: wait, cli and webkit based? what does it use, svgalib? sdl? |
| 23:01.14 | zykotick9 | seaworthy: i like uzbl as well (it's GUI BTW), for cli elinks is probably my favourite |
| 23:01.22 | delvalle26 | no, elinks == cli, uzbl == gui |
| 23:01.30 | Lars_G | ah |
| 23:01.39 | delvalle26 | sorry if I was unclear. |
| 23:01.39 | SupYoshi | what do you mean with synaptic sugar? |
| 23:01.41 | cloudy00 | thanks zykotick9 |
| 23:01.44 | seaworthy | okay ill give em both a try thanks as always |
| 23:01.46 | seaworthy | :) |
| 23:02.12 | Lars_G | Ok I have a better idea |
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| 23:02.19 | Lars_G | Say I make my own version of a debian package. |
| 23:02.20 | DarkUranium | jhutchins: okay, ran a script to bring webmin down, restart sshd and sleep 60 seconds (then bring webmin back up)... but sshd still doesn't work =\ |
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| 23:02.31 | Lars_G | and I change version to something like package-0.1-2-local |
| 23:02.39 | Lars_G | local being my identifier. |
| 23:02.50 | Lars_G | Is there any way I can require that exact version in another package? |
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| 23:03.30 | lautriv | can anyone tell me why xserver-xorg-input-evtouch vanished from wheezy and sid and/or what replaces it ? |
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| 23:08.55 | juniorsa | question, after changing all /var to 777 is there a reason why I can't ssh to the box anymore? |
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| 23:10.51 | streuner_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:11.13 | juniorsa | if I am connected to the box, if I restart ssh, will it drop the existing connection? |
| 23:11.22 | streuner_ | juniorsa: so bascically no |
| 23:11.30 | streuner_ | sure |
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| 23:11.55 | juniorsa | ok so I can restart ssh safely |
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| 23:13.56 | quebre | in past, restarting sshd would close all connections but that was in past ;) |
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| 23:17.17 | Bartzy | Hi |
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| 23:17.34 | Bartzy | How do I rebuild a package with a different build option ? |
| 23:17.52 | streuner_ | Bartzy: which package? |
| 23:18.29 | Bartzy | streuner_: php :\ |
| 23:18.33 | Bartzy | I need FPM in squeeze. |
| 23:18.42 | streuner_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:18.54 | Bartzy | and debian's package doesn't compile it by default (even though it's considered stable by PHP). |
| 23:19.02 | Bartzy | so aptitude source php ? |
| 23:19.11 | streuner_ | true |
| 23:19.26 | streuner_ | via the source and edit debian/rules then |
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| 23:20.05 | Bartzy | That's apt-get source and not aptitude source ? |
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| 23:20.34 | |kos-mos| | hi |
| 23:20.48 | streuner_ | Bartzy: just look at the <ssb> factoid |
| 23:21.06 | streuner_ | Bartzy: /msg dpkg ssb |
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| 23:21.18 | |kos-mos| | do you know how can i restore a snapshot xml file in virsh ? |
| 23:22.05 | DarkUranium | jhutchins, Justin: w00t! Actually got a shell now |
| 23:22.16 | DarkUranium | ...an unresponsive shell |
| 23:22.19 | DarkUranium | but a shell nevertheless |
| 23:22.21 | josef__ | how to install grub2 on an soft raid5/lvm configuration? (wheezy) |
| 23:22.30 | Bartzy | streuner_: That's for backporting, I just need to change debian/rules in the same squeeze source package... |
| 23:22.35 | Bartzy | I guess there's another factoid for that ? |
| 23:22.39 | THE_GFR|WORK | hey everyone when I logout of gdm, it does not show the login screen it drops to console ( xauth: error in locking authority file /home/marcus/.Xauthority ) how do I fix this? |
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| 23:24.06 | THE_GFR|WORK | basically when I logout of gdm it does not show the login screen how do I fix this? |
| 23:24.16 | streuner_ | Bartzy: i think, its releated to "fakeroot" |
| 23:25.42 | streuner_ | Bartzy: /msg rebuild from debian source |
| 23:26.31 | streuner_ | Bartzy: /msg dpkg rebuild from debian source |
| 23:26.35 | streuner_ | of course |
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| 23:28.40 | SupYoshi | So is this correcT? IpTables won't block anything if you install it, except if you add it to ipTables? |
| 23:28.47 | streuner_ | Bartzy: /msg dpkg listvals fakeroot, you will get more factoids about, if <rebuild from debian source> doesnt help.. |
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| 23:32.17 | Dev0n | hey, is it possible to get an init.d script in a deb package from apt repos ? |
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| 23:33.01 | streuner_ | Dev0n: just extract it? via dpkg -x or ar x? |
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| 23:33.15 | nkuttler | Dev0n: did you delete it? /msg dpkg confmiss |
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| 23:36.18 | Touma | anyone can install expresso livre in debian squeeze? |
| 23:36.30 | Dev0n | nkuttler, no I complied something from source but it's missing an init.d script |
| 23:36.57 | Dev0n | I notice the debian repos has the app so I thinking of getting the init.d script from that and using it on my compiled version |
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| 23:43.36 | Bartzy | themill? |
| 23:43.48 | Bartzy | Anyone knows how to enable FPM on the php5 source package in debian/rules ? |
| 23:43.54 | Bartzy | there's no flag |
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