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| 00:00.18 | Mephisto | babilen, well i don't need it that much either... |
| 00:00.19 | babilen | food: (I'd like to note that the @nick is a convention not used on IRC. nick: is very much preferred) |
| 00:00.23 | Mephisto | babilen, just that it worked before... |
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| 00:00.33 | Mephisto | babilen, and it works just PERFECTLY with emulators man... |
| 00:00.37 | Mephisto | that's all i needed it for. |
| 00:00.41 | food | srry |
| 00:00.47 | Mephisto | not "cool" games like WoW and stuff... simple things.. |
| 00:00.53 | babilen | food: Don't worry :) |
| 00:01.14 | food | babilen: i dont live in the irc too much I usually solve boot problems at ubuntu |
| 00:01.21 | food | forums |
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| 00:02.02 | Manabu2 | seems like I will need to restart... |
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| 00:02.31 | babilen | food: Which one reason why I don't hesitate to mention things like this. Be that as it may, we are getting off-topic. Have fun and a nice day/evening/whatever! |
| 00:02.40 | food | bye |
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| 00:03.19 | Garda | Hi |
| 00:03.37 | Garda | What's a buffer *underflow* vulnerability? |
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| 00:06.01 | babilen | Garda: Did you read the wikipedia article already? Did you find one on Debian? |
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| 00:08.31 | Garda | http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buffer_underrun |
| 00:08.39 | Garda | I found that |
| 00:09.16 | Garda | Is that the problem that all the packages marked *buffer underflow* have |
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| 00:09.34 | Garda | On the debian security list |
| 00:09.52 | Posterdati | shall I use nouveau for nv44a? |
| 00:10.35 | Mephisto | fixed it |
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| 00:10.43 | Mephisto | i didn't install glx-ia32 stuff.. |
| 00:10.51 | Mephisto | now it's done and works perfectly :) |
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| 00:11.04 | babilen | Garda: http://cwe.mitre.org/data/definitions/124.html might help |
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| 00:12.06 | takahiro | is it possible to compile just one module and enable it, rather than compile a whole kernel? |
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| 00:12.30 | Garda | Thanks babilen. That makes more swnse |
| 00:12.35 | Garda | *sense |
| 00:12.53 | Garda | Its almost the same as a buffer overrun |
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| 00:14.11 | yamahaalex37 | why would freenode work in browser, but xchat and pidgin its broken |
| 00:14.14 | yamahaalex37 | * Looking up irc.freenode.net * Unknown host. Maybe you misspelled it? |
| 00:14.15 | yamahaalex37 | over and over |
| 00:14.23 | yamahaalex37 | last thing I did was enable wins and install winbind |
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| 00:15.58 | Jdbye | i'm having a problem updating mdadm, it just gives me "dpkg: error processing mdadm (--configure): subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 20" |
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| 00:16.30 | Jdbye | and i can't seem to figure out why, cryptic error messages aren't helping... |
| 00:17.02 | Jdbye | anyone know what might be the issue? |
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| 00:18.05 | somiaj | Jdbye: try to look at the line above it, see if it tells you the extra error. Someting in the postinstall script is failing but that error doesn't say what |
| 00:18.31 | somiaj | s/extra/actual/ |
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| 00:18.39 | Jdbye | i thing is, the only thing above it is "setting up mdadm" |
| 00:18.48 | somiaj | what version of debain is this? |
| 00:18.52 | Jdbye | squeeze |
| 00:19.04 | gnarface | sounds like its not pure squeeze |
| 00:19.26 | Jdbye | i think i've narrowed it down to the ". /usr/share/debconf/confmodule" in /var/lib/dpkg/info/mdadm.postinst, nothing after that line gets executed and it returns exit code 20 |
| 00:19.29 | gnarface | what other dirty little secrets do you have (or did you have) in your sources.list Jdbye? |
| 00:20.19 | yamahaalex37 | * Looking up irc.freenode.net * Unknown host. Maybe you misspelled it? |
| 00:20.20 | yamahaalex37 | over and over |
| 00:20.28 | z28 | yamahaalex37: why would you want to install 'wins' |
| 00:20.33 | Jdbye | it has the proxmox-ve packages, and sid/experimental sources with apt pinning so it uses stable packages by default |
| 00:20.39 | yamahaalex37 | winbind |
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| 00:21.00 | z28 | yamahaalex37: wins = windows internet name service |
| 00:21.10 | yamahaalex37 | right, so I can see my windows shares |
| 00:21.26 | z28 | yamahaalex37: use nfs/samba |
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| 00:21.35 | yamahaalex37 | i do use samba |
| 00:21.46 | gnarface | Jdbye: well that's a script you can read and debug if you chose, but failure to install or configure like this in that important of a package in stable usually is indicative of broken dependencies - the types of broken dependencies you only get in stable when you've polluted your package tree irreversibly |
| 00:21.54 | yamahaalex37 | but still, i was unable to connect to any Windows PC in nautilus until I did install winbind |
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| 00:21.57 | yamahaalex37 | and enabled wins |
| 00:22.12 | z28 | yamahaalex37: portmap running? |
| 00:22.23 | yamahaalex37 | samba worked for linux>windows |
| 00:22.33 | yamahaalex37 | but windows>linux needed wins |
| 00:22.57 | Jdbye | it has updated fine previously, i haven't been installing lots of packages from other sources either, maybe a couple from sid but nothing important |
| 00:23.30 | somiaj | 'maybe a couple from sid' -- there is your problem right there, you broke your system |
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| 00:24.01 | somiaj | do not mix sid with stable if you want a system to work, even with pinning |
| 00:24.02 | gnarface | Jdbye: i've made similar messes myself and managed to continue successfully updating the system for YEARS before it eventually gained critical mass and imploded upon itself |
| 00:24.06 | yamahaalex37 | z28: , im not exactly sure why, im not savvy yet |
| 00:24.11 | yamahaalex37 | i just follwed this how to: http://askubuntu.com/questions/74789/failed-to-retrieve-share-list-from-server-error-when-browsing-a-share-with-nau |
| 00:24.28 | yamahaalex37 | scroll down to jldupont response |
| 00:24.31 | z28 | yamahaalex37: that's strange, wish I could help. try #ubuntu |
| 00:24.56 | somiaj | so yamahaalex37 is a ubuntu user.../sigh |
| 00:24.59 | yamahaalex37 | debian 6 |
| 00:24.59 | yamahaalex37 | im not using ubuntu |
| 00:25.46 | yamahaalex37 | the same instructions worked... |
| 00:26.20 | yamahaalex37 | any advice? |
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| 00:26.34 | z28 | yamahaalex37: maybe a setting in xchat would tweak it |
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| 00:26.48 | yamahaalex37 | its odd its also pidgin |
| 00:26.52 | yamahaalex37 | doing same thing |
| 00:29.53 | z28 | yamahaalex37: it's very odd. anything in your log? 'tail -f /var/log/messages' when attempting to connect, maybe you'll find something. try other logs as well. |
| 00:29.54 | Jdbye | i'm not even sure i installed anything from sid, i tried to install mono from it once but it failed to install due to incompatibilities |
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| 00:32.46 | somiaj | Jdbye: aptitude search ~S~i~Aunstable |
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| 00:33.57 | yamahaalex37 | ill try restarting |
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| 00:36.15 | PopUp | hey guys, is there someone here who knows where i can get the php5-curl package in the version 5.3.8-2? |
| 00:36.57 | innociv | http://pastebin.com/Xzk7TX39 I have this in my sshd_config to chroot users logging in through sftp. How do I have an application, such as php, chrooted to that directory when it runs as that user as well? if I tell php to execute "whoami" it says exampleuser, but the directory shows the full path not the chrooted one. |
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| 00:37.23 | somiaj | PopUp: why that version? |
| 00:37.33 | somiaj | ,version php5-curl |
| 00:37.34 | judd | Package: php5-curl on i386 -- lenny: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny13; lenny-security: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny13; squeeze: 5.3.3-7+squeeze3; squeeze-security: 5.3.3-7+squeeze3; wheezy: 5.3.9-1; sid: 5.3.9-3; experimental: 5.4.0~rc6-1 |
| 00:38.23 | PopUp | because SOMEHOW the guy i want to help managed to install php5-common 5.3.8-2 |
| 00:38.49 | somiaj | well if you are running debian, stable is the way to go and you should downgrade to the stable versions |
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| 00:39.02 | somiaj | if you are running testing then upgrade you system to the current testing |
| 00:39.16 | PopUp | its not my system and he's kind of... well... paranoid -.- |
| 00:39.33 | somiaj | well if he is paranoid why is he running non stable versions? (: |
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| 00:40.01 | PopUp | he had some problems with the apache mpm worker in the past, and somiaj, i have NO idea |
| 00:41.04 | somiaj | well what you are doing is not supported and you are on your own. But if you want possibaly buggy and unsecure pacckages you can check out snapshot.debian.org |
| 00:41.36 | PopUp | thanks, i'll try to convince him to either upgrade or downgrade |
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| 00:42.12 | somiaj | well if he is paraniod and running a production server...get him on stable |
| 00:42.19 | innociv | You would be building from source. |
| 00:42.37 | somiaj | snapshot.debian.org has binary packages of privious versions from testing/unstable |
| 00:43.39 | tdrusk | I have debian installed on 3 different partitions. The most recent was partition 3 where I told it to overwrite the mbr and install grub. Now I want to remove partition 3. How can I do that and boot into my other two with grub? |
| 00:43.56 | Jdbye | somiaj: that'll show packages that share the same version in stable and unstable though |
| 00:44.13 | Jdbye | i installed wine from unstable but that's pretty much it |
| 00:44.18 | PopUp | innociv : i'd not try to build anything on that machine |
| 00:44.21 | innociv | http://pastebin.com/Xzk7TX39 (sshd_config) How do I have an application, such as php, chrooted to that directory when it runs as that user as well? |
| 00:44.50 | somiaj | Jdbye: so then you installed all the wine depends, which is a lot of core libaries, so you now have a core system in which stable and usntable are fighting |
| 00:46.16 | Jdbye | no, i don't think i installed the dependencies from unstable |
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| 00:46.41 | somiaj | Jdbye: well what is the output of that command I sent you. |
| 00:46.52 | somiaj | Jdbye: are there any core libs in that list (such as libc6) |
| 00:47.00 | Jdbye | a lot, but most of it shares the same version in stable and unstable so the list isn't very useful |
| 00:47.43 | Jdbye | libc6 isn't there |
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| 00:48.29 | somiaj | well either way you aren't goign to get support and your issue is most likely due to some strange side effect of you mixing stable and unstable packages. That is not how debian works, go read up on backports |
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| 00:49.26 | gnarface | suspects its actually an ubuntu package |
| 00:50.01 | Jdbye | i use backports, the problem is sometimes i need newer packages than what's available in stable or backports and some things are a pain to compile from source |
| 00:50.15 | somiaj | well then /msg dpkg ssbp and make your own backport |
| 00:50.55 | gnarface | i'm so lucky i learned to install stuff by compiling from source *first* |
| 00:50.58 | Jdbye | i have neatx packages from a ubuntu repository, but no important packages are installed from that repository |
| 00:51.07 | gnarface | but on the other hand its apt that's mystifying to me |
| 00:51.45 | gnarface | Jdbye: are you for real? |
| 00:52.05 | somiaj | Jdbye: well as long as you realize what you are doing is not supported and are willing fixing any bugs you find. (: |
| 00:52.11 | Jdbye | mdadm still works, so it's not a problem yet, i'm just wondering if there isn't a way to get more output, the error dpkg gives doesn't give any clues... |
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| 00:53.23 | Jdbye | i wasn't aware that if you do anything to the system at all no one will help you if you have problems |
| 00:53.36 | Jdbye | that seems like a poor way to do things |
| 00:53.58 | gnarface | no, what you did to your system, that's a poor way to do things |
| 00:54.00 | dwon | Jdbye: The mdadm postinst script is broken for you? Have you tried looking at /var/lib/dpkg/info/mdadm.postinst ? |
| 00:54.05 | TheWarden | Hi, I just installed Debian v6.0.3 and Windows 7 on the two separate drives on the same system. I installed Windows 7 first then Debian. However when I do an update-grub it doesn't find Windows 7. |
| 00:54.05 | Jdbye | i have |
| 00:54.10 | Jdbye | i mentioned it at first |
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| 00:54.19 | TheWarden | How can I add Windows 7 to grub2? |
| 00:54.20 | Jdbye | [01:19] <Jdbye> i think i've narrowed it down to the ". /usr/share/debconf/confmodule" in /var/lib/dpkg/info/mdadm.postinst, nothing after that line gets executed and it returns exit code 20 |
| 00:54.25 | somiaj | Jdbye: I think you don't understand debian stable. And we aren't going to guess what random things you have done outside of a very stable closed system that could be causing a problem. |
| 00:54.46 | somiaj | TheWarden: do you have os-prober installed? |
| 00:54.47 | z28 | TheWarden: run os-prober first then update-grub |
| 00:54.50 | Jdbye | well, if there was a way to get more output you wouldn't have to guess |
| 00:55.10 | dwon | Jdbye: You could try adding "set -x" above that line, and then running "dpkg --configure mdadm" and see what happens |
| 00:55.12 | TheWarden | somiaj: oh no I don't believe so. I didn't realize I needed that. |
| 00:55.17 | TheWarden | z28: okay |
| 00:55.24 | TheWarden | thanks I'll give that a try. |
| 00:55.42 | somiaj | TheWarden: it will probe your system and do it for you automatically (as opposed to manually configuring grub) |
| 00:55.51 | z28 | TheWarden: os-prober should give you a one line output... win 7 |
| 00:56.04 | TheWarden | somiaj: oh cool |
| 00:56.07 | dwon | Jdbye: In my experience, however, you're better off just running unstable proper than running "stable except for a few packages from unstable" |
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| 00:56.31 | TheWarden | z28: okay. So I just install and run os-prober and it should be fixed? |
| 00:56.42 | z28 | TheWarden: run os-prober first then update-grub |
| 00:56.49 | somiaj | and the best is to use backports. Or just realize you don't need bleeding edge software |
| 00:56.53 | dwon | Jdbye: Lots of infrastructure-related things (e.g. debconf) tend to get changed in unstable, which other packages in unstable depend on. |
| 00:56.56 | Jdbye | dwon: that gave some output, http://pastie.org/3266868 |
| 00:57.03 | TheWarden | okay cool |
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| 00:57.20 | Jdbye | i ran unstable on the last server, everyone was telling me it was a bad idea |
| 00:57.20 | z28 | TheWarden: that should add win 7 to your grub menu |
| 00:57.34 | TheWarden | z28: okay, thanks. |
| 00:57.46 | z28 | TheWarden: welcome |
| 00:57.51 | dwon | Jdbye: Probably what happened is this line failed: exec /usr/share/debconf/frontend $0 "$@" |
| 00:57.53 | boudiccas | what is "Akonaditray" please? i've tried apt-cache show but it doesnt show what it is |
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| 00:58.19 | gnarface | Jdbye: when you learn to stop breaking your system the difference between squeeze and sid will become apparent to you |
| 00:58.34 | gnarface | Jdbye: we *are* trying to help you realize that |
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| 01:00.16 | dwon | Jdbye: One of the reasons why running unstable on a critical system is a "bad idea" is because *core stuff that many packages depend on* gets changed. Running stable-but-a-few-packages-from-unstable doesn't really help you with that. |
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| 01:02.04 | Jdbye | i see some debug messages in /usr/share/debconf/frontend, how can i see the output? |
| 01:02.07 | TheWarden | I ran os-prober and I never received any response back. I then ran update-grub and never say any mention of Windows 7. |
| 01:02.19 | TheWarden | I than looked at /boot/grub/grub.cfg and there is no entry for Windows 7 present. |
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| 01:03.18 | TheWarden | keep in mind that I installed Windows 7 on as my secondary drive and then installed Debian on my primary drive. Would that maybe be why its not seeing Windows 7? |
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| 01:03.23 | z28 | TheWarden: os-prober probably didn't look on the second drive, it should have found it. |
| 01:03.43 | boudiccas | thewanderer1; and what happens when you reboot? |
| 01:03.48 | boudiccas | TheWarden; that was meant for you |
| 01:04.00 | TheWarden | z28: Well do I need to install something for it to be able to read NTFS/see the drive? |
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| 01:04.16 | Jdbye | gnarface: you may be trying to help, but you really aren't |
| 01:04.18 | TheWarden | boudiccas: you know I never tried that yet, let me give that a go. I would just assume it didn't work being that its not in the grub.cfg |
| 01:04.30 | Jdbye | knowing that i'm breaking my system doesn't help me fix it |
| 01:04.46 | z28 | TheWarden: you can mount windows manually but that's not what you really want |
| 01:05.07 | Jdbye | i'll avoid installing any more packages from unstable |
| 01:05.14 | Jdbye | but it won't solve my issue |
| 01:05.27 | TheWarden | after reboot, there is still no Windows 7 in the grub menu :(. |
| 01:05.42 | boudiccas | Jdbye; you need to decide to install wheezy or squeeze, and then stick with your choice |
| 01:06.04 | Jdbye | i haven't installed any packages from unstable since wine, and mdadm has updated successfully several times since then, so i just doubt it's related |
| 01:06.35 | dwon | Jdbye: The problem you're having here is that, since you're running "stable-but-X", nobody here can reproduce your problem, so it's *hard* and *frustrating* to try to help. |
| 01:06.36 | TheWarden | any suggestions as what I should do from here to get Windows 7 in my grub menu as a boot option? |
| 01:06.55 | somiaj | TheWarden: check out /usr/share/doc/os-prober and the docs, maybe it isn't probing your second drive. |
| 01:06.58 | dwon | Jdbye: Even if you say "I only installed wine from unstable", you aren't likely to be believed, because apt automatically installs wine's dependencies. |
| 01:07.16 | boudiccas | what is "Akonaditray" please? i've tried apt-cache show but it doesnt show what it is |
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| 01:07.32 | z28 | TheWarden: edit /etc/default/grub and add it there, but I would do some googling |
| 01:07.36 | somiaj | boudiccas: in what context, if it isn't a package is it a binary on your system? |
| 01:07.40 | Jdbye | dwon: not from unstable unless you use the -t parameter |
| 01:08.21 | boudiccas | somiaj; i see it in the output of 'top' and wonder what it is |
| 01:08.39 | somiaj | boudiccas: so its the name of a binary that is running, you could try dpkg -S Akonaditray |
| 01:08.46 | Jdbye | which i'm pretty sure i didn't, but not 100% sure |
| 01:08.50 | somiaj | boudiccas: that will tell you if any package on your system ownst that binary. |
| 01:09.04 | TheWarden | somiaj: there's no docs there but changelog and copyright notice. |
| 01:09.28 | somiaj | TheWarden: I just know os-prober worked for me, but the description says it can be configured to search other drives than the default, I just don't know how. |
| 01:09.36 | TheWarden | z28: yeah not sure how to go about doing that. I've been searching online and thus far haven't found a solution. This is why I thought I would check here. |
| 01:09.50 | somiaj | TheWarden: but look up docs on maunally adding a grub entry might be more worth your time than fixing os-prober (I was mainly hoping that would do the trick for you) |
| 01:10.42 | TheWarden | somiaj: yeah.. last time I did this but with Windows XP update-grub was all I needed to do :). |
| 01:10.44 | Jdbye | i was of the understanding that using only the packages you need from unstable with pinning is safer than just running sid, from what i found on google, so at least now i know that's not the case |
| 01:10.50 | somiaj | TheWarden: http://wiki.debian.org/Grub#Dual_Boot -- hmm says you have to edit /etc/default/grub and make sure you have the line GRUB_DISABLE_OS_PROBER=false there |
| 01:10.55 | somiaj | maybe it was just disabled from default |
| 01:11.48 | somiaj | Jdbye: yea it is rarely the actual package you want to install that is the problem, it is packages all depend on core stuff (everything from core libs like libc6 to core debian stuff like debconf) -- if you install a newer debconf that has different compabadilities features all packages will begin to suffer. |
| 01:12.06 | TheWarden | somiaj: interesting, I'll take a look. thanks. |
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| 01:13.23 | Jdbye | well, debconf is not installed from unstable, is there a way to exclude unstable package versions that are also in stable from aptitude search though? |
| 01:13.37 | somiaj | Jdbye: as for support, debian stable undergoes a lot of testing, a very thuro bug system and is frozen to ensure that everything works together well. When you start drifting from this unknown problems can arise and from a support point of view, it is hard to guess/figure out what outside of a very stable system is causing the issue. |
| 01:14.01 | dwon | Jdbye: It depends on the time, actually. If Debian is currently doing a rip-and-replace of some important core mechanism, then unstable can be a bit of a mess. Other times, it's fine. On servers, I tend to run stable until it gets too old, then I switch to testing. On my desktop, I usually run testing or unstable. (Although right now, I'm running Ubuntu on the desktop, but I've been thinking of switching back to Debian.) |
| 01:14.08 | somiaj | Jdbye: not except looking though them one by one, I didn't realize it used versions numbers in that serch, I thought it used the repo it installed it from |
| 01:14.20 | somiaj | Jdbye: take one of those packages in the list and look at the output of 'apt-cache policy pkgname' |
| 01:15.00 | somiaj | dwon: I find unstable a bit easier to deal with than testing if you are going that route (due to testing takes forever to fix bugs compared to unstable) |
| 01:15.01 | Jdbye | somiaj: done so for several of them and all the ones i checked except wine-unstable and wine-bin-unstable were the same version in all repos |
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| 01:15.35 | Jdbye | somiaj: but, stable being frozen is kind of the reason anyone would want to install packages from unstable, the stable packages become horribly outdated after a while |
| 01:15.54 | somiaj | Jdbye: but basic idea is use the bts (most bugs are known and get fixed). But if you aren't running a pure debian system then you will get the same response if you send in a bugreport. |
| 01:15.58 | dwon | Jdbye: I noticed that the mdadm you installed is from backports. I suspect it actually *should* work, but it might be hard for people on IRC (without access to your system) to help you. You might want to try taking your machine to a LUG meeting and seeing if someone there (who you can trust with root access---at least while you're watching!) can help you. |
| 01:16.06 | somiaj | Jdbye: that is why there are backports. |
| 01:16.33 | TheWarden | darn that didn't work |
| 01:16.36 | somiaj | Jdbye: this 'horbially outdated' really isn't as big of an issue as everyone makes it out to be. |
| 01:16.39 | Jdbye | somiaj: but backports don't have most of the packages |
| 01:16.51 | somiaj | Jdbye: so make your own. |
| 01:16.59 | takahiro | i copied libxvi020.so to /lib but when i try to compile my driver, it still says /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lxvi020 any ideas why? |
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| 01:17.28 | dwon | takahiro: .so files are only used at runtime. You need the corresponding .a file. |
| 01:17.42 | somiaj | takahiro: you shouldn't put files in /lib that way. Install the appropraite lib. When you are compling you need the headers so you need the libfoo-dev version of the package. |
| 01:17.42 | Jdbye | that seems like more work than just compiling it from source, but when there is a perfectly fine package management system i prefer to use that over building from source |
| 01:17.50 | dwon | takahiro: Also, what somiaj said |
| 01:17.58 | Jdbye | especially since i don't have to do it again every time there's an update |
| 01:18.04 | rypervenche | somiaj: I usually don't mind Testing's wait to fix bugs. Do you find that unstable breaks more often than testing? I use testing right now, considering going to unstable, but I'm afraid of not liking it. I have very few problems with testing. |
| 01:18.08 | takahiro | there is no debian package for what im building |
| 01:18.25 | takahiro | it's a driver for my usb modem |
| 01:18.25 | Jdbye | dwon: thanks for pointing that out, i might try downgrading to the version in stable |
| 01:18.26 | somiaj | Jdbye: /msg dpkg ssbp (compling a package in sid against stable libs is actually fairly easy) -- provided you aren't doing the whole gnome suit or somethign like that |
| 01:18.50 | Jdbye | taking the machine anywhere will be hard since it's at a datacenter in germany |
| 01:19.10 | dwon | Jdbye: Sometimes you can get away with downloading the *source* package from unstable, and compiling it on stable. That usually prevents apt from trying to upgrade a zillion packages. |
| 01:19.20 | somiaj | rypervenche: I find the testing problems just more annoying, I have been running sid for about 10+ years and have yet to run into a grave bug (wipe the hd type bug) but it isn't uncommon I have to fix something durning an upgrade. |
| 01:19.27 | dwon | Jdbye: You could take a laptop with access to the machine. |
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| 01:20.04 | somiaj | Jdbye: you know you can put an 'exit 0' at the very top of the postinstall script, run dpkg --configure -a and it will install it just fine |
| 01:20.06 | ksx4system | how do I boot MIPS (Cobalt) hardware to single user mode? just bare bones system, I need to repair some things |
| 01:20.16 | somiaj | Jdbye: just make sure you manually do anything that is required to get it to work. |
| 01:20.19 | ksx4system | I'll not need anything other that ability to mount hard drive and use ssh |
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| 01:20.51 | acu_ | hey guys - how is wheezy going - seen a lot of updates - just wondering how close is the freeze ? |
| 01:20.51 | oZ__ | oh hey dioz |
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| 01:21.07 | Morgawr | hello everyone... I have a simple question. I wanted to make a small live CD with debian, how would I go about doing that? So far I found http://live.debian.net/ this which doesn't really explain much to me, documentation or guides or manuals or anything seem to be pretty lacking. Am I missing something here? Could somebody point me toward the right direction please? |
| 01:21.16 | Jdbye | somiaj: but the confmodule script calls a lot of other things and i'm not even sure what it does |
| 01:21.28 | somiaj | acu_: haven't heard anything on when it will start the freeze, I'm thinking this summer to fall, but as always with good quality software, the answer is 'when it is ready' |
| 01:21.34 | Jdbye | and that seems more like avoiding the issue than fixing it |
| 01:21.45 | Jdbye | i'll try to downgrade though |
| 01:22.04 | somiaj | well if its an upgrade most of that stuff has already been done once, and then at least your system package manager is happy and you can fix any bug with that later |
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| 01:22.35 | somiaj | since you are willing ot just mix and match things, might as well go for it and then track down anything that keeps it from doing what you want it to. |
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| 01:23.07 | dwon | Morgawr: Does it need to be a live CD? It's much easier to just install Debian to a USB stick and boot from that. :) |
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| 01:23.17 | somiaj | Morgawr: that is what you do, read the documentation there. It explains numeraouse ways to make a custom live cd |
| 01:23.25 | TheWarden | This is great to learn about Grub2, http://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/grub-2.html |
| 01:23.36 | somiaj | Morgawr: You can also download one of their premade live systems if you don't want to go though the pain of making your own. |
| 01:23.40 | acu_ | somiaj: thanks - thought the same - I have to setup few new servers for some small companies - some groupware and backup and I thought to use wheezy - I have wheezy in 7 computers - including two servers with virtual machines - so far is less break then I would expect - |
| 01:24.04 | Morgawr | dwon: yeah, it has to be a live CD. I'm building a small customized debian image with some custom software for distribution purposes and ease of use to a wider public. It's much easier this way. |
| 01:24.09 | somiaj | acu_: I wouldn't use stable on production machines or anything you value. That is just bad bad juju |
| 01:24.15 | Morgawr | somiaj: I just found this page http://live.debian.net/manual/ which seems to have a (duh) manual :) |
| 01:24.25 | Morgawr | looks like I asked way too early, this manual seems pretty good so I'll give it a read |
| 01:24.28 | Morgawr | sorry to bother you guys |
| 01:24.44 | somiaj | Morgawr: correct, are you wanting to install software outside of debian on this live image (i.e. something that is not a debian package on a standard repo)? |
| 01:25.13 | dwon | Morgawr: heh :) |
| 01:25.35 | Morgawr | somiaj: ehh... the software itself is in the debian packages but it's outdated (the maintainer is going to update it eventually :) ) so I just wanted to ship my own updated version |
| 01:25.47 | Jdbye | yeah that didn't work, and it fails to preconfigure too |
| 01:26.25 | acu_ | somiaj: I had to google bad juju :) and I thought you meant UNstable ? :) I do not know why I tempt the fate so often |
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| 01:27.12 | somiaj | Morgawr: I haven't messed with it to much, but thigns to look at. I belive the default method for creating a live system is mostly listing a set of debian packages and a repo to install them from, and it does the rest for you. Just somethign to keep in mind as you read through the manual. |
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| 01:28.26 | Morgawr | somiaj: okay, thanks for the help. If I find out I can't really do it with custom compiled software I'll have to put more pressure to the person that's supposed to updated the repos for this specific package :) |
| 01:28.28 | somiaj | acu_: testing gets terrible security support, things haven't had time to work out most the kinks and is mostly designed for people who want to test debian and submit bugs for the next release (not run a production server). Though you aren't alone in that. |
| 01:29.10 | somiaj | Morgawr: I think it can, but that is more complicated than the parts of the manual I read which explains the easy way to create a live image. |
| 01:29.21 | Morgawr | oh well, I'll work my way through it :) thanks for the help |
| 01:31.59 | somiaj | acu_: though keep your eye on debian cut (or what ever they are calling it now) I don't expect much more on it until after wheezy is stabalized, but I really hope that allivates a lot of the issues people have to they can still run debian but a more rolling realse style for those who want something similar but not as frozen as stable |
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| 01:33.08 | Jdbye | well, one question, is there a way to remove all the unstable packages? |
| 01:34.23 | ksx4system | how do I turn off console input? |
| 01:35.46 | somiaj | Jdbye: that search sting I gave you should help, but since it does it off of versions you'll have to track down everyone of them manually |
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| 01:42.52 | ilikenwf | so, i've got a raid-1 array |
| 01:43.04 | ilikenwf | should i use a partition or a lvm? i'm going to be encrypting |
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| 01:44.12 | rudi_s | ilikenwf: Normally first encryption, then parttions/lvm. Choose what you prefer. |
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| 01:44.48 | ilikenwf | well, i setup the array with two "Non - FS data" partitioned drives |
| 01:45.03 | ilikenwf | my thought was to just encrypt that partition on the array since they're identical partitions, down to the sectors |
| 01:45.11 | ilikenwf | and then use it that way |
| 01:45.25 | ilikenwf | but i mean, is there any benefit other than being able to group other drives if i used lvm? |
| 01:45.52 | ilikenwf | i just see lvm as an unnecessary layer since i'm on a system that's seen several years |
| 01:45.54 | rudi_s | ilikenwf: ? If you have a raid-1 array, then you should have just one (virtual) disk. Encrypt that and put the partitions/lvm on the resulting /dev/mapper/xxx partition. |
| 01:46.05 | ilikenwf | that's what i'm doing |
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| 01:46.07 | ilikenwf | although i'm not using lvm |
| 01:46.08 | rudi_s | Then use partitions, both work fine. |
| 01:46.15 | ilikenwf | i've just got people telling me to use lvm because X |
| 01:46.30 | ilikenwf | i just see it as useless with raid-1 since if i want to grow it i can add drives and change to another raid type, and expand that way |
| 01:46.39 | ilikenwf | with the redundancy there's not a lot to worry about |
| 01:46.52 | rudi_s | Well, LVM can do a few things like changing the size of the partitions, etc. But if you don't need that, don't use it ;-) |
| 01:47.28 | ilikenwf | cool |
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| 01:47.38 | ilikenwf | that and this is my home "whatever" box |
| 01:47.44 | ilikenwf | only athlon xp 2200 with 1gb ram |
| 01:47.47 | ilikenwf | so i'm being conservative |
| 01:47.56 | ilikenwf | and there's always rsync if i change my mind |
| 01:48.19 | ilikenwf | i'm also using XFS as my filesystem too, so i'm really not that worried about failure... |
| 01:49.39 | Bromigo | Hello all, how can I make debian stop reading my hardware time as GMT and use my time zone instead? I need it to behave with Windows |
| 01:49.55 | somiaj | Bromigo: check out the files in /etc/default |
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| 01:50.01 | ilikenwf | thanks guys |
| 01:50.42 | somiaj | Bromigo: look in /etc/default/rcS and turn UTC=yes to UTC=no |
| 01:50.54 | Jdbye | so i checked, and the only packages i have from unstable are wine-bin-unstable, wine-unstable and winetricks, no dependencies or anything |
| 01:51.04 | Jdbye | so i can't imagine that being the reason for my issue with mdadm |
| 01:51.26 | zombi | anyone know of a guide that includes what to do when apt freaks out in certain situations? |
| 01:51.32 | Bromigo | somiaj: okay, changed, now i just restart for effect? |
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| 01:52.00 | ilikenwf | btw, even on this older system, luks + software raid seems about as fast as nonencrypted did |
| 01:52.03 | somiaj | Bromigo: You shouldn't need to reboot, and just restart some services, but I don't know which ones and a reboot will surely do it |
| 01:52.14 | ilikenwf | i also encrypt root... it's more fun to me to do this than paranoia |
| 01:52.21 | ilikenwf | i don't have anything to hide, i'm just fascinated |
| 01:52.21 | alazare619 | anyone here have knowledge of bitlbee on debian squeeze |
| 01:52.23 | Bromigo | alright thanks somiaj! |
| 01:52.28 | alazare619 | i could use a little help settings it up |
| 01:52.56 | ilikenwf | i'm not going over 50% cpu usage with high io load on my raid array |
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| 01:53.13 | somiaj | alazare619: have you check for the docs in /usr/share/doc/bitlbee |
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| 01:53.32 | somiaj | alazare619: I rember setting it up was fairly easy, read something there, connect to the right irc sever and the rest is just done via your irc client |
| 01:53.54 | Jdbye | i'm surprised i'm the only one with this issue |
| 01:53.55 | alazare619 | well that would be the public servers your speaking of |
| 01:53.59 | alazare619 | im trying to do it locally |
| 01:54.04 | alazare619 | so i dont connect outbound |
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| 01:55.19 | somiaj | Jdbye: why? My guess is the issue is something just little and small on your frakendebian. The people testing these systems don't mix things for a reason, to ensure it works in the debian system. |
| 01:55.29 | dwon | Jdbye: weird. Have you tried removing/purging and reinstalling mdadm? |
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| 01:55.40 | somiaj | alazare619: correct, bitlbee sets up a local irc server on your machine you connect to |
| 01:55.46 | innociv | http://pastebin.com/Xzk7TX39 (sshd_config) How do I have an application, such as php, chrooted to that directory when it runs as that user as well? |
| 01:55.55 | somiaj | alazare619: you then talk to it via that server and set up various user accounts that can then connect to the other chat programs. |
| 01:56.06 | Jdbye | i haven't for the fear that it will render my system unbootable |
| 01:56.50 | dwon | Jdbye: Fair enough, although that might already be the case. :) |
| 01:56.55 | Jdbye | somiaj: and as i said the only packages from unstable are wine-unstable, wine-bin-unstable and winetricks, no dependencies |
| 01:57.05 | Jdbye | and no - i already tried rebooting, it worked |
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| 01:57.55 | alazare619 | ok see thats my problem somiaj i installed biltbee from aptitude |
| 01:57.57 | somiaj | Jdbye: It looks like you have paid a bit more attention to what you were doing than most I've seen in your case, but that is why I said it is probabaly something small, some slight thing that happened. Figure out what program in the script is exporting an error code and what that code means. |
| 01:58.12 | alazare619 | i cant figure out how to launch it ive tried via ssh into server bit and tabing and its not completeling bitlbee |
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| 01:58.33 | somiaj | alazare619: correct, so it installs it and starts the service. did you go read the docs in /usr/share/doc/biltbee -- I belive it tells you what port to connect to the server on via an irc client |
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| 01:59.25 | dwon | Jdbye: You might also want to try "debsums -c". It's unlikely, but it could be that something on your system is corrupted. |
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| 02:00.00 | TheWarden | ahh crap, it looks like some how my second drive lost its BOOTMGR so no wondering GRUB nor os-prober couldn't find it. Argh... I wonder how I can restore that. |
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| 02:00.05 | THE_GFR|WORK | hey everyone |
| 02:00.05 | alazare619 | ill check it out from what i can see its just a html doc and im ssh in atm |
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| 02:00.10 | Morgawr | okay.. I'm trying to create a simple (sample?) live cd for debian using "lb build" (I'm just following the guide). It starts downloading packages and validating them, then at the end it writes this: |
| 02:00.11 | ksx4system | how do I stop scripts from /etc/init.d/* from being executed on startup? I don't want to run one of them |
| 02:00.17 | Morgawr | /usr/sbin/debootstrap: 425: cannot create /home/morgawr/work/livecd/chroot/test-dev-null: Permission denied |
| 02:00.26 | Morgawr | (I am root) |
| 02:00.42 | THE_GFR|WORK | hey everyone if I do not force all the users for a share to a specific user/group I cannot access my smb share why? |
| 02:00.45 | TheWarden | I don't know how the BOOTMGR is gone but it was there before installing Debian I should have unplug the drive. I never touched it but I dunno. I hope I don't have to re-isntall Windows 7. |
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| 02:01.07 | innociv | http://pastebin.com/Xzk7TX39 (sshd_config) How do I have an application, such as php, chrooted to that directory when it runs as that user as well? Like to me, php should see the path as /chroot/file.php not /path/to/chroot/file.php unless I'm mistaken... |
| 02:01.18 | loop- | were you running windows 7 when you started the install TheWarden? |
| 02:01.36 | somiaj | TheWarden: sure teh bootmgr isn't on the windows partition (as opposed to the mbr)? That is usually where windows puts it, and then it just uses a standard mbr to boot off the partition with the bootable flag |
| 02:01.37 | alazare619 | ahhh i got it somiaj |
| 02:01.38 | TheWarden | can I safely do a system repair using the os boot disc? |
| 02:01.39 | alazare619 | thanks |
| 02:02.00 | TheWarden | loop-: I was running Windows 7 on my secondary drive first and then I installed Debian 6.0.3 onto my primary drive. |
| 02:02.11 | somiaj | alazare619: nice, yea from there just use the irc client to ask for help, I found it easy to figure out myself, but haven't used it in years. |
| 02:02.20 | loop- | were you in windows 7 when you inserted the debian cd? |
| 02:02.25 | THE_GFR|WORK | hey everyone if I do not force all the users for a share to a specific user/group I cannot access my smb share why? |
| 02:03.01 | alazare619 | i was trying localhost for the address and it wasnt working tried 127.0.0.1 didnt work then decided to try the static local ip it worked possibly because im thincliented idk |
| 02:03.08 | loop- | or did you boot from the debian cd |
| 02:03.12 | TheWarden | somiaj: oh right so it was actually installed on to my primary drive for mbr so it could boot. Mmm how to make this all work :| |
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| 02:03.46 | TheWarden | loop-: no I wasn't in Windows 7. I put the Debian disc in the drive and reboot into the Debian installation and installed it on my primary drive. |
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| 02:04.14 | alazare619 | added my league of legends account to the list lol |
| 02:04.17 | loop- | did you try unplugging the debian drive? |
| 02:04.34 | THE_GFR|WORK | what? |
| 02:04.35 | somiaj | alazare619: I think you can change what address it listens on and what it responds to. But its been a while |
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| 02:04.55 | Jdbye | somiaj: i can trace the exit code to /usr/share/debconf/frontend but that's a perl script that calls a lot of functions from other perl packages and such so beyond that it gets confusing and hard |
| 02:04.59 | dwon | THE_GFR|WORK: Could you be a little clearer about what you're trying to do? For example, what OS is running on each side? Are you taking about users on the server or on the client? etc. |
| 02:05.04 | TheWarden | well all I know is when I tried to manually add an entry to GRUB2 for Windows 7 it tries to boot but failes with BOOTMGR missing |
| 02:05.14 | alazare619 | account add Jabber alazare619@PvP.net AIR_gnocyde619 |
| 02:05.18 | alazare619 | fuck... |
| 02:05.23 | alazare619 | ignore that :P |
| 02:05.32 | TheWarden | loop-: no I haven't I tried booting into it via GRUB, I tried to manually add it as nothing else sees it for some reason. |
| 02:05.33 | alazare619 | nothing to see here...move along |
| 02:05.40 | dwon | spam spam spam spamicle lovely spam! |
| 02:06.10 | loop- | if you remove the debian drive off of the bus can you boot into windows |
| 02:06.31 | THE_GFR|WORK | dwon: I added an SMB share on debian 64-bit, added users to it, to let them have read and write access. If I just add the users nobody can access it. if I force any user other than me, nobody can access it. |
| 02:06.47 | TheWarden | loop-: I'll have to try and see. |
| 02:06.48 | THE_GFR|WORK | dwon: this is windows or other linux machines connecting |
| 02:07.06 | THE_GFR|WORK | is it because of the drive's actual permissions? |
| 02:07.06 | loop- | id recommend you do that before altering anything |
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| 02:07.50 | THE_GFR|WORK | dwon: ideas? |
| 02:08.13 | dwon | THE_GFR|WORK: I haven't used Samba in years, but I think Samba maps SMB users to Unix users, so yes, that's possible. |
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| 02:09.02 | TheWarden | loop-: mm I removed the drive in the BIOS and set the the secondary drive as a boot device. Didn't boot into Windows. |
| 02:09.26 | innociv | http://pastebin.com/Xzk7TX39 (sshd_config) How do I have an application, such as php, chrooted to that directory when it runs as that user as well? Like to me, php should see the path as /chroot/file.php not /path/to/chroot/file.php unless I'm mistaken... |
| 02:09.37 | THE_GFR|WORK | dwon: yea, so do I have to change the group of the mounted drive I'm trying to share to "users" or something else? |
| 02:10.03 | TheWarden | loop-: I'll have to do a system repair I guess. |
| 02:10.14 | somiaj | I think a lot of it is how you configure and setup samba. |
| 02:10.27 | loop- | not a bad idea |
| 02:10.43 | THE_GFR|WORK | somiaj: how do I get so I can have each user connect and not have to force them to a specific group? |
| 02:11.02 | Jdbye | i found a trace module for perl that provides similar functionality to set -x |
| 02:11.40 | Jdbye | but it gives way too much output |
| 02:11.50 | somiaj | THE_GFR|WORK: I don't know, I just use guest shares without write access on my system. I'm saying it is a powerful system and has lots of options, though that means you have to configure it right. I think what y ou want is possible, I would have to look up how to configure it |
| 02:12.27 | THE_GFR|WORK | somiaj: thanks, I'd look it up if I knew what to look for... :\ |
| 02:13.15 | Jdbye | and i don't see anything wrong with the last output before it exits.. |
| 02:13.25 | somiaj | THE_GFR|WORK: yea I'd think #samba would be of more help but I know you already tried that. |
| 02:13.38 | THE_GFR|WORK | oh no actually I didn't realize that existed thanks |
| 02:14.18 | nutron | hmm, odd, how can I ensure a blank cd is really blank or... how can I find out the cd contains data? tried mounting it, told me the mount point was busy (it's not), fired up brasero, says I don't have an available disk to write to ... |
| 02:14.52 | somiaj | nutron: you can usually look at the cd and see if it has been burnt |
| 02:14.52 | nutron | so, I'm wondering how to see what's on it. |
| 02:15.02 | nutron | I tried that. |
| 02:15.07 | nutron | Doesn't look burnt |
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| 02:16.00 | cvillavicencio | hola |
| 02:16.02 | cvillavicencio | lol |
| 02:16.06 | Jdbye | it returned a different exit code when i traced it too... |
| 02:16.20 | cvillavicencio | w3ll 9ood bye |
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| 02:20.10 | |DM| | I have a question about debian in virtualbox |
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| 02:21.17 | jon8 | whats the latest gcc version i can run on deb6 x86, on kernel 2.6.32-5-686-bigmem |
| 02:21.50 | jon8 | i'm having an issue with a software package and the support team says to upgrade gcc.. gcc is currently 4.4.5 (Debian 4.4.5-8) |
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| 02:24.50 | somiaj | ,version gcc |
| 02:24.51 | judd | Package: gcc on i386 -- lenny: 4:4.3.2-2; squeeze: 4:4.4.5-1; sid: 4:4.6.2-4; wheezy: 4:4.6.2-4 |
| 02:25.15 | somiaj | ,version gcc-4.6 |
| 02:25.16 | judd | Package: gcc-4.6 on i386 -- wheezy: 4.6.2-11; sid: 4.6.2-12 |
| 02:25.17 | TheWarden | well I guess my Windows 7 is screwed. I tried a repair and it made no difference. |
| 02:25.19 | somiaj | ,version gcc-4.5 |
| 02:25.20 | judd | Package: gcc-4.5 on i386 -- wheezy: 4.5.3-9; sid: 4.5.3-12 |
| 02:25.32 | TheWarden | I'll re-install without the primary drive installed and then update grub. |
| 02:25.44 | somiaj | jon8: I don't see any backports, so you'll have to make your own. I'm not sure what will run on that, but I think 4.5 and 4.6 will work, just backport it from sid. |
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| 02:27.09 | somiaj | jon8: nice thing is if you backport either of those form sid, you can actually have gcc-4.4 and gcc-4.6 both installed on the same system. |
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| 02:34.36 | notjimcarrey | well, i found out the best i can do for console resolution is 1600x1200 |
| 02:34.40 | notjimcarrey | damn vesa |
| 02:35.25 | innociv | http://pastebin.com/Xzk7TX39 (sshd_config) How do I have an application, such as php, chrooted to that directory when it runs as that user as well? Like to me, php should see the path as /chroot/file.php not /path/to/chroot/file.php unless I'm mistaken. |
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| 02:36.02 | notjimcarrey | now to get vim setup the way i want |
| 02:36.21 | notjimcarrey | oh, anyone know how to change console brightness? |
| 02:37.01 | dwon | notjimcarrey: sunglasses |
| 02:37.11 | notjimcarrey | nah, need it brighter |
| 02:37.12 | notjimcarrey | lol |
| 02:37.17 | loop- | squint really hard |
| 02:38.20 | notjimcarrey | is it even possible for the Fn keys for brightness to work without X? |
| 02:38.57 | loop- | technically, yes |
| 02:39.12 | notjimcarrey | love the "technically" part |
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| 02:39.57 | loop- | technically theres less than 1% difference in DNA between us and apes |
| 02:40.20 | innociv | Anyone? Seems like a basic question, but I can't find the answer. |
| 02:40.41 | notjimcarrey | looking for "console" fixes is a pain, most just talk about terminal emulators |
| 02:41.11 | loop- | there are boot parameters you can try |
| 02:41.21 | loop- | for acpi |
| 02:41.28 | gnarface | loop-: its a bit more than 2% |
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| 02:43.44 | gnarface | innociv: you could use ansi to change your default text color to white instead of grey maybe? |
| 02:43.44 | notjimcarrey | did find /etc/acpi/asus-brn-up.sh though |
| 02:44.43 | innociv | That was loop not I |
| 02:44.52 | notjimcarrey | though they don't do anything |
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| 02:46.34 | |DM| | hello, how to get debian to recognize multiple adapters? |
| 02:46.38 | |DM| | *internet |
| 02:47.35 | somiaj | what do you mean? It should by default allow you to bring up/down multiple interfaces |
| 02:48.23 | notjimcarrey | i have eth0 and wlan0 set to auto |
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| 02:51.50 | kkrev | I got a machine that somethine like half the time hangs on "booting kernel" on poweron. Is there an easy way to test the disk? I mean, I can keep hard power-off-ing the machine until it eventually restarts. So I'd imagine it's a disk problem. Just want to be sure before I buy a new one. It's a laptop. |
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| 02:55.53 | jon- | has anyone used Emdebian before? (embedded debian) |
| 02:56.09 | |DM| | somiaj: well, I'm running debian in virtualbox |
| 02:56.30 | |DM| | so could you tell me how to set up an eth1 ? |
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| 02:57.14 | somiaj | I haven't played with virtuial box, not sure how you set up virtual devices for it. |
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| 02:57.39 | innociv | http://pastebin.com/Xzk7TX39 (sshd_config) How do I have an application, such as php, chrooted to that directory when it runs as that user as well? Like to me, php should see the path as /chroot/file.php not /path/to/chroot/file.php unless I'm mistaken. |
| 02:57.53 | jon- | what kind of memory footprint would a base debian install have (roughly)? |
| 02:58.28 | kaiten4 | I woke up today and my 1440x900_60 monitor defaulted to 1024x768 from console framebuffer to gdm to gnome. I cannot go higher than this. A familiar problem here perhaps? |
| 02:58.51 | zane | http://wiki.debian.org/rtl819x i'm following this tutorial, the squeeze section. how number 4 says 'the neccesary kernel module is automatically loaded for supported devices.' it's not, iwconfig shows no wlan interface. my chipset is supported. it's rtl8188su. what am i doing wrong? |
| 02:59.00 | |DM| | somiaj: nope, just need to know how to set up an eth1 and configure it, I can find the settings required by myself |
| 03:00.19 | kaiten4 | zane did you lsmod rtl*? |
| 03:01.08 | zane | yes, it's not loaded |
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| 03:01.19 | zane | or when it does load, it's the wrong driver |
| 03:02.40 | kaiten4 | try loading it by 'modprobe rtl8188', then running 'dmesg |grep rtl8188' |
| 03:02.42 | innociv | jon-, about 170bm i believe |
| 03:02.44 | innociv | mb* |
| 03:02.46 | innociv | maybe 140 |
| 03:03.00 | kaiten4 | I'm not a module/udev pro myself, the experts seem to be asleep |
| 03:03.19 | zane | it says module not found |
| 03:05.21 | kaiten4 | you install realtek-firmware? |
| 03:06.02 | zane | yes |
| 03:06.07 | zane | and wireless tools |
| 03:07.12 | kaiten4 | the module name looks like RTL8192U |
| 03:07.20 | kaiten4 | try modprobbing that |
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| 03:07.38 | kaiten4 | and you've already rebooted the system after installing the firmware? |
| 03:07.42 | zane | yes |
| 03:08.05 | zane | that module 'rtl8192u' is wrong |
| 03:08.15 | zane | that's not the module for this device/chipset |
| 03:08.36 | jon- | innociv: thanks, any idea what kind of space it takes up too? |
| 03:08.41 | zane | the chipset is the device is a rtl8188su |
| 03:08.43 | jon- | if you stripped out all of the crap |
| 03:09.50 | kaiten4 | zane have you seen this thread? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1594535 |
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| 03:10.16 | kaiten4 | the module name's aren't exact but in fact this guy has installed your device using that firmware, in second post |
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| 03:11.38 | kaiten4 | zane: I'm going to leave the rest up to someone else, I'm not too sure about firmware blobs, haven't done it in years |
| 03:11.50 | zane | i'm sick of this. i'm going to smash this damn thing into a million pieces and go buy something WITHOUT a realtek chipset in it |
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| 03:12.09 | kaiten4 | zane: that's a good idea. |
| 03:12.35 | innociv | I have no idea, jon- |
| 03:12.39 | innociv | http://pastebin.com/Xzk7TX39 (sshd_config) How do I have an application, such as php, chrooted to that directory when it runs as that user as well? Like to me, php should see the path as /chroot/file.php not /path/to/chroot/file.php unless I'm mistaken. |
| 03:12.50 | gnarface | zane: have you tried using the generic ne2000 driver on it? |
| 03:13.10 | gnarface | zane: that's saved me in the past (granted a very long time ago) |
| 03:13.12 | kaiten4 | gnarface: isn't that a ethernet module? |
| 03:13.34 | gnarface | kaiten4: oh sorry we weren't talking about ethernet cards? |
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| 03:13.49 | kaiten4 | gnarface: wireless, looks like usb |
| 03:14.01 | gnarface | oh woops |
| 03:14.03 | gnarface | nevermind then |
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| 03:14.36 | kaiten4 | Realtek ethernets always worked for me, I've had one early 11b realtek wireless that had no drivers, and a 11g that worked out of the box |
| 03:16.26 | zane | realtek sux |
| 03:16.43 | zane | i wish i had a realtek manufacturing facility down the street |
| 03:16.51 | zane | i would burn it down to the block foundation! |
| 03:17.45 | kaiten4 | When I was still fucking with mine you had to download the drivers from a .tw site at 20kb/s |
| 03:18.00 | zane | lol wow |
| 03:18.08 | somiaj | jon-: the base system is fairly small (it takes only a few hundered megs on the hard drive and doesn't require that much memory, not sure the amount, but 256meg may be enough (though I have heard of putting it on systems with less) |
| 03:21.04 | THE_GFR|WORK | anyone know how I mount an NTFS drive as group users with permissions 0770> |
| 03:21.05 | THE_GFR|WORK | ? |
| 03:21.54 | skilz | somiaj, I have debian on a 486 with 32mb ram ^_^ |
| 03:21.55 | somiaj | THE_GFR|WORK: look at uid, gid, umask, fmask, dmask options for mounting an ntfs partition (man mount search for ntfs) |
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| 03:22.04 | skilz | 486x |
| 03:22.28 | somiaj | skilz: oh nice, I was trying to rember what was required, I think the only issue with putting debian on a 386 is the binaries don't support it and you have to compile your own packages. |
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| 03:22.53 | skilz | yep |
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| 03:23.35 | takahiro | i can't get linux to work with my usb modem, it's so frustrating -_- |
| 03:23.36 | skilz | It's my nameserver and timeserver |
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| 03:23.53 | somiaj | takahiro: some hardware that is uncommon is hit/miss with linux. :/ |
| 03:23.55 | skilz | takahiro, USB 3G mobile broadband? |
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| 03:24.06 | takahiro | USB 4G mobile broadband |
| 03:24.14 | skilz | What make/model? |
| 03:24.16 | somiaj | some new hardware is the same way. |
| 03:24.27 | takahiro | Sprint U1901 |
| 03:24.41 | takahiro | it gets identified as Bus 001 Device 003: ID 0489:e017 Foxconn / Hon Hai |
| 03:24.42 | skilz | Follow my ppp 3g mobile instructions, ill fetch the link for you |
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| 03:24.56 | skilz | They may help |
| 03:25.31 | takahiro | and the bcm_wimax kernel module turns the green led on the USB stick on but it goes in an endless loop when i run the beceem connection manager |
| 03:25.54 | skilz | Have you tried network manager? |
| 03:25.59 | skilz | nm-applet |
| 03:26.04 | DanDare | Hello. For how long Debian will support security updates for Lenny ? |
| 03:26.21 | takahiro | i haven't gotten that far, it can't even be recognized as a network interface yet |
| 03:26.23 | dvs | DanDare: another 15 days |
| 03:26.29 | DanDare | dvs: Ok thanks |
| 03:26.34 | dvs | np |
| 03:26.35 | DanDare | must change my VPS provider |
| 03:26.37 | takahiro | there is no ethX for the device it's still trying to establish the hardware |
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| 03:27.26 | somiaj | oh only 15 days, knew it was approaching somewhat quickly, but my how times passes |
| 03:27.40 | dvs | feb 12 |
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| 03:27.55 | takahiro | i wish there was something i could do, its so frustrating to manufacturers can't support linux |
| 03:28.10 | takahiro | it |
| 03:28.18 | DanDare | they can support, they just wont |
| 03:28.19 | takahiro | it's 2012 and windows still rules all hardware |
| 03:28.28 | DanDare | I mean some of them, majority of them ? |
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| 03:29.00 | kaiten4 | how do you change console framebuffer? I went from 1440x900 to 1024x768 overnight. |
| 03:29.33 | takahiro | i don't even have a choice of hardware unless i move to a new state or something |
| 03:29.39 | somiaj | takahiro: it depends, lots of companies produce or give specs to the linux community, but not all. As for lots of stuff it is produced for windows first since they are the market share and majority of their revenue |
| 03:29.46 | takahiro | the only internet i can get is through this Sprint USB stick |
| 03:29.56 | TheWarden | sweet I finally got Debian and Windows 7 to dual boot |
| 03:30.08 | skilz | takahiro, Oh well im sorry I can't help you then |
| 03:30.24 | somiaj | TheWarden: good work |
| 03:30.54 | TheWarden | somiaj: some how my Windows 7 OS got damaged or whipped whatever it works. |
| 03:31.05 | dvs | TheWarden: what was the problem? |
| 03:31.40 | TheWarden | dvs: not entirely sure but some how my Windows 7 drive files got damaged to the point I couldn't repair them so I had to re-install. After that I just did a update-grub and done. |
| 03:31.41 | skilz | Anyone have experience with IRCD-Hybrid? I'm positive I've configured it correctly, but I can't connect, not even from the same machine using /server localhost, and I have allowed 6667 in my firewall... |
| 03:32.04 | somiaj | TheWarden: yea I think it was having it installed on the drive you werent' booting from so it put its bootloader on the mbr as opposed to the partition where it usually hides |
| 03:32.14 | DanDare | TheWarden, I think the best for dual boot is set windows 7 within just 1 partition (1st e.g.), without the rescue partition |
| 03:32.28 | DanDare | just a impression i got, but no sure |
| 03:32.36 | takahiro | is there a way i can pay money to someone to fix the kernel module? |
| 03:33.19 | TheWarden | DanDare: I have multiple drives so I didn't have to deal with partitions. |
| 03:33.30 | DanDare | Ahh good |
| 03:33.42 | somiaj | I didn't think windows 7 could work without a rescue partition |
| 03:33.51 | DanDare | somiaj, it does |
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| 03:34.51 | DanDare | somiaj, i could post you links about it but this is #debian... well... google have it anyway :p |
| 03:35.16 | DanDare | *paste |
| 03:35.53 | somiaj | DanDare: yea just a passing thought, I have a dual boot setup on my laptop cause I paid for that windows 7 key, I think I've booted into that partition a few times now and mostly just update it, say fuck this and turn it off. Basically its a waste of 50gigs on my drive. Though not like space matters that much to me |
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| 03:36.53 | DanDare | somiaj, yeah agree. i did vanished the rescue one for simplicity when was setting up the dual boot |
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| 03:37.34 | somiaj | though I have a toshiba install (bloatware galare). Talk about a waste of space, 30gigs for a base install and still can't do as much as with a 1gig debian install. |
| 03:37.45 | DanDare | somiaj, but i think we are talking about difrerent rescue partitions. I meant rescue partition windows 7 create by default. Not the laptop OS rescue partition |
| 03:37.49 | takahiro | the worst part of trying to get my internet to work is that i don't have access to the internet while im trying to fix it |
| 03:37.54 | somiaj | anyways I digress from #debian..../me tries to refrain from more ranting |
| 03:38.09 | takahiro | so i'm totally blindly running random things to try to get it t owork |
| 03:38.12 | somiaj | DanDare: no we are talking about the same one. The default windows 7 one. |
| 03:38.18 | DanDare | ok ... |
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| 03:39.06 | somiaj | takahiro: so you use sprint borad ban? |
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| 03:39.52 | somiaj | takahiro: do they offer devices like this? http://www.verizonwireless.com/b2c/store/controller?&item=phoneFirst&action=viewPhoneOverviewByDevice&deviceCategoryId=13 (these are nice because you just need wireless support to connect) |
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| 03:41.22 | takahiro | im not sure, but i dont think i can return my hardware, its been several months |
| 03:41.31 | takahiro | and i spent over $300 on this wireless equipment |
| 03:41.38 | takahiro | that only works with windows |
| 03:42.09 | somiaj | just trying to think of alternatives, but I understand your frustration....one thing to consider in the future is get something that is hardware driven and just requires basic networking to connect to it. |
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| 03:43.07 | takahiro | i don't know what to do, i can't use linux, i can't use a mac, and i can't use windows |
| 03:43.18 | somiaj | takahiro: what was your device again? |
| 03:43.19 | takahiro | im just stuck with a bunch of unusable hardware |
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| 03:43.30 | Growly | become a monk |
| 03:43.38 | Growly | seriously |
| 03:43.39 | takahiro | it's a sprint USB 4g 1901 broadband stick |
| 03:44.08 | Growly | (i reached the same conclusion after trying to set up an HTPC *without* a month's research) |
| 03:44.11 | |DM| | How do I add an adapter to debian? |
| 03:44.21 | |DM| | ifconfig eth1 inet up isn't working |
| 03:44.32 | |DM| | neither is ifconfig eth1 up |
| 03:44.33 | somiaj | takahiro: can I have the output of lshw for that device too |
| 03:44.37 | somiaj | takahiro: lsusb I mean |
| 03:44.45 | takahiro | yep, here is is: |
| 03:44.58 | takahiro | Bus 001 Device 003: ID 0489:e017 Foxconn / Hon Hai |
| 03:45.17 | takahiro | and this is the kernel module that gets the LED light on it turned on http://cateee.net/lkddb/web-lkddb/BCM_WIMAX.html |
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| 03:46.38 | takahiro | if you look at http://lxr.linux.no/#linux+v3.2.2/drivers/staging/bcm/InterfaceInit.h#L13 the product ID 1901 matches mine "U1901" and the hex number matches 0xe017 (from lsusb) |
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| 03:48.24 | takahiro | once the LED light on the device lights up, i then run the CSCM (a manufacturer provided connection manager which was in the Sprint Developer's Toolkit for Linux) |
| 03:48.44 | somiaj | takahiro: so where were you in terms of compling your own kernel. I know I had you install the linux-source from backports, were you able to go into make menuconfig and turn on the staging drivers and select the module for that device? |
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| 03:49.27 | takahiro | somiaj: i didn't recompile the kernel, i just installed a backport for 3.2 and compiled bcm_wimax individually for 3.2 |
| 03:49.44 | takahiro | somiaj, then i ran insmod bcm_wimax.ko to get it installed |
| 03:50.20 | takahiro | once that was installed, i got some output in /var/log/messages saying that it found the Sprint U1901 device and such, so that's when i ran the CSCM connection manager |
| 03:50.41 | somiaj | do you see the device in ifconfig -a (after you got the module loaded)? |
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| 03:51.39 | takahiro | nope, according to the Sprint Developer's toolkit, i won't be able to see it as a device in ifconfig until i tell the device to initialize using the CSCM |
| 03:52.11 | takahiro | so i have to run ./wimaxd -D -c /etc/SprintG4/wimaxd.conf which starts a device management server waiting for commands |
| 03:52.18 | somiaj | well it seems like you are close...... |
| 03:52.39 | takahiro | and then i'm supposed to run ./wimaxc -i and send commands such as "search" (which looks for 4G networks) and "connect 0" which connects to a basestation |
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| 03:53.20 | Pharaoh | Hello everyone. |
| 03:53.26 | takahiro | but i get all kinds of segmentation faults and connection timeouts and just run out of ideas on what to try because the server won't accept any commands (or really get into that "ready" state that the documentation says it needs to be in) |
| 03:54.01 | takahiro | the ./wimaxd application is supposed to get the device ready, and it's not doing it, and there's nothing left in the docs |
| 03:54.04 | somiaj | takahiro: well you have done a lot. If you are getting seg faults, can you linke me to the page that talks about this sprint tool. |
| 03:54.08 | simonlnu | catchsegv and strace/ltrace can help maybe. run it in gdb |
| 03:54.19 | takahiro | somiaj: yes, it's in PDF form is that ok? |
| 03:54.56 | somiaj | I don't mind a pdf, just seeing if maybe I see something in there you over looked (though it seems you have been very complete in trying to figure it out) |
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| 03:58.44 | takahiro | somiaj, http://whebsite.com/media/guide.pdf |
| 03:58.52 | takahiro | i renamed the pdf cuz the original was really long |
| 03:59.36 | takahiro | page 17 starts talking about making a 4G connection |
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| 04:00.21 | takahiro | and when i run the ./wimaxd -D -c command it goes into an endless loop spitting out some connection timeout issues |
| 04:01.02 | takahiro | let me actually put the output on a pastebin and show you |
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| 04:04.52 | somiaj | only thing I notice is that isn't set up for the actual device you have. It dosen't list a single Foxcom device |
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| 04:06.52 | somiaj | so not sure if that wimaxd is segfaulting because it isn't finding one of the devices it was set up to talk to |
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| 04:12.05 | takahiro | yeah that is one thing that might be a problem |
| 04:12.21 | takahiro | but then that would mean i need a different connection manager |
| 04:12.32 | takahiro | and i'm not sure where i would find such a thing that is compatible |
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| 04:14.04 | takahiro | let me show you the output |
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| 04:16.53 | |DM| | hello |
| 04:17.02 | |DM| | how do I add a network adapter? |
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| 04:19.52 | takahiro | somiaj, http://pastebin.com/Ayvm5XAE |
| 04:20.12 | takahiro | somiaj, can you take a look at the output and tell me if you see anything particular? |
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| 04:21.32 | DanDare | |DM|, try reading this : http://wiki.debian.org/hal |
| 04:22.10 | somiaj | takahiro: eth0 the built in wired interface? What is eth1? |
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| 04:22.12 | DanDare | Hal is installed by default in Debian 6 ? |
| 04:22.43 | takahiro | somiaj, yes correct and eth1 is the USB stick 4G |
| 04:23.15 | |DM| | DanDare: I shall look at it, thanks |
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| 04:23.46 | takahiro | somiaj, but in order to get an IP address it needs to do some TLS authenticating with the 4G base station which is all done through the Sprint Conn Mgr |
| 04:23.51 | somiaj | takahiro: seems it is registering the device. What happens if you put a line like 'iface eth1 inet dhcp' in /etc/network/interfaces and then 'ifup eth1' |
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| 04:24.37 | takahiro | somiaj, it just hangs for a looooong time, then eventually times out and the interface is unchanged |
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| 04:25.08 | takahiro | somiaj, without at least an authenticated connection with the base station, i dont think it can get an IP |
| 04:25.10 | DanDare | |DM|, I think hal is meant to detect the hardware but you may need to load kernel drivers. |
| 04:25.42 | DanDare | |DM|, this sounds good: http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/hw-detect |
| 04:26.30 | |DM| | DanDare: not what I meant, I meant adding software adapters, and someone gave me the answer , thanks though :D |
| 04:26.37 | somiaj | takahiro: I notice the segfault is an error in libc-2.11.2 (are you on a 32bit or 64bit install)? |
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| 04:27.10 | takahiro | Linux debian 3.2.0-0.bpo.1-amd64 #1 SMP x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 04:27.27 | takahiro | I think 64-bit install |
| 04:27.28 | taylorjonl | does anyone know how to send some data to a monitor that is connected to a second video card to see if it works? I have a Xen VM setup that has pass through working(I think, lcpci from the guest shows the device, lsmod shows the radeon driver is installed, dmesg show no errors) but I want to test it. |
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| 04:28.25 | zane | can someone help me get my belkin wireless usb adapter working? |
| 04:28.41 | somiaj | takahiro: lots of third party stuff is only compiled for 32bit, I assume you have ia32-libs-core installed, so you are using the 32bit libs. One thing (though not sure how easy this will be) is see if a 32bit install will fix the issues. |
| 04:29.08 | takahiro | somiaj, yeah maybe that is worth a shot |
| 04:29.27 | takahiro | somiaj, is it correct i can't use all my 4GB ram on a 32-bit system? |
| 04:29.51 | lstarnes | takahiro: I don't think it's possible without a PAE-enabled kernel |
| 04:29.52 | somiaj | takahiro: you can insatll a bigmen kernel (or even a 64 bit kernel but be living in a 32bit user land) |
| 04:30.06 | somiaj | but the default 32bit kernel caps out just under 4gigs somewhere |
| 04:30.19 | lstarnes | I use a 64-bit OS with some 32-bit libraries |
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| 04:32.31 | somiaj | lstarnes: yea that is what I use, but really most people would be best served in a 32bit userland with maybe a 64bit kernel. There is little reason they need a 64bit os and in a case like takahiro he may be running into issues with 32bit third party stuff. |
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| 04:32.50 | somiaj | other thigns like flash-nonfree has better 32bit than 64bit support and so forth (though it isn't as bad as it was say 3-4 years ago) |
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| 04:33.27 | takahiro | somiaj, would switching be as simple as just dpkg -i <some-32-bit-kernel-image> ? |
| 04:35.10 | somiaj | takahiro: no, you are getting segfaults from libc-2.11. -- just a shot in the dark is it is a 32bit vs 64bit conflict. (again this is just a random shot in the dark that may not help you) |
| 04:35.30 | somiaj | but in general a 32bit userland is sometimes easier to mess with (espically with third party software) |
| 04:35.42 | takahiro | it took me a while to compile the ./wimaxd application, im not even sure if i did it right, but it does execute |
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| 04:36.08 | takahiro | somiaj, i had to compile the thing from source code and it was giving all kinds of compiler error messages and stuff, so i fixed most of it which was DOS CRLF issues |
| 04:36.11 | somiaj | well you compiled the application but did you copy over any precomipled libaries (I thought you had to copy a precompiled .so lib) |
| 04:36.25 | takahiro | nope, even the .so was compiled by me |
| 04:36.37 | somiaj | takahiro: again this is just a shot in the dark. If you compiled everything it should be complied against a 32bit system. |
| 04:36.55 | takahiro | the only thing that was not compiled was the stuff in /lib/firmware the .bin file and the .cfg file |
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| 04:37.00 | AthomIk | hello |
| 04:37.59 | somiaj | takahiro: yea this is just a shot in the dark. If you had another patition wouldn't be to hard to make a 32bit install. Though really you know more about this than I, I'm just making random guesses |
| 04:38.34 | takahiro | somiaj, i know nothing... i just tried everything in the instructions and failed |
| 04:39.08 | somiaj | takahiro: well I'm an amature hack, so take my suggstions with a grain of salt |
| 04:39.24 | takahiro | somiaj, well there's nothing i need on this partition, it was made specifically for testing this USB stick |
| 04:39.35 | takahiro | somiaj, should i just format it and reinstall a 32-bit kernel? |
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| 04:40.37 | AthomIk | debian wiki for wireless bridge not work with my sid, have other solution ? http://wiki.debian.org/BridgeNetworkConnections#Bridging_with_a_wireless_NIC |
| 04:40.46 | somiaj | I'd hate to see you go though the time to reinstall everything and not get anywhere since you have a running system. Maybe make a 32bit chroot, and inside that chroot follow the instructions again to build the drivers |
| 04:41.00 | takahiro | is there a way i can get in touch with the kernel developers of the module bcm_wimax ? maybe i can show them my paste and they know what i did wrong |
| 04:41.23 | somiaj | you can try the LKML |
| 04:41.25 | takahiro | im sure they are busy folks but i'll try anything |
| 04:41.57 | takahiro | ok |
| 04:43.05 | AthomIk | how i can bridge my wifi card for my kvm/vm ? |
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| 04:45.13 | zykotick9 | AthomIk: do you use network-manager to control the wireless? i've heard of briding issues with n-m (i use a bridge for kvm as well, but not through wireless) good luck |
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| 04:45.47 | bdfoster | having install issues. i inserted the cd and nothing comes up on the screen after the ISOLINUX line. |
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| 04:46.10 | bdfoster | might be graphics card, but i've installed debian a few times on this machine with no issues. |
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| 04:46.29 | bdfoster | any hints? im clueless |
| 04:46.39 | takahiro | somiaj, thanks for trying to help... i don't know if i should give up at some point i feel like i am wasting so much time |
| 04:47.28 | zykotick9 | bdfoster: <TERRIBLE UNSUPPORTED SUGGESTION FOLLOWS> my main desktop system gets stuck on that ISOLINUX for all squeeze media - i use a bootable unetbootin usb |
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| 04:47.58 | bdfoster | unfortunately, it doesnt support booting off of usb |
| 04:48.00 | somiaj | takahiro: that is up to you. But using debootstrap you could make yourself a 32bit chroot to play in if your stuborn and going to spend more time beating a dead horse. Maybe check back here on monday during different hours and get more knowledge people than I (I really am a hack). |
| 04:48.40 | zykotick9 | bdfoster: you might be able to install using old-stable media and upgrading - i did a few times, but unetbootin was easier ;) |
| 04:48.50 | somiaj | takahiro: lots of people who give support here do so during normal working hours (though from all aroudn the world). But again realize debian doesn't support this device and neither does sprint. |
| 04:49.13 | bdfoster | ive tried squeeze, lenny, and sid lol |
| 04:49.15 | takahiro | yeah i know im a bit alone |
| 04:50.20 | somiaj | bdfoster: what install media are you trying? Are you trying a graphical or text install? |
| 04:50.21 | zykotick9 | bdfoster: does other distro boot media work? for me i had it figured to the exact version of ISOLINUX that failed (forget the # now though) |
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| 04:51.14 | Future28 | Hey, I'm needing some help with my audio, I don't get any. What do I need to check/modify? |
| 04:51.34 | somiaj | !tell Future28 about alsa checklist |
| 04:51.58 | Future28 | Thanks sir, |
| 04:53.17 | AthomIk | zykotick9: not use network-manager, never use this |
| 04:53.35 | bdfoster | zykotick9, i have ubuntu on there, i even tried using the same cd to get it to load, wouldnt work |
| 04:54.17 | zykotick9 | bdfoster: if nothing boots then the issue isn't debian related |
| 04:54.44 | bdfoster | k |
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| 04:59.16 | AthomIk | i use sid 3.2x kernel |
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| 05:09.07 | LinuxApprentice | can someone tell me why 'modprobe ndiswrapper' reports 'module not found' when i have ndiswrapper installed? |
| 05:09.45 | somiaj | LinuxApprentice: how do you have ndiswrapper installed? |
| 05:09.57 | LinuxApprentice | somiaj: what do u mean 'how' ? |
| 05:10.02 | somiaj | tere are various packages and none of the ones I see actually contain the kernel module |
| 05:10.18 | somiaj | the dkms pacakge will build the module provided you have the correct headers installed |
| 05:10.23 | LinuxApprentice | i'm following a debian tutorial |
| 05:10.33 | somiaj | LinuxApprentice: i.e. what packages have you installed? |
| 05:10.35 | LinuxApprentice | apt-get install ndiswrapper-utils-1.9 |
| 05:10.46 | somiaj | LinuxApprentice: that is not a kernel module, that is only utils. If you need the kernel module |
| 05:10.54 | somiaj | you need to install ndiswrapper-dkms |
| 05:11.01 | LinuxApprentice | ok |
| 05:11.04 | somiaj | and you also need the linux-headers-version where version is 'uname -r' of your kernel |
| 05:11.24 | asarch | Bingo! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0kdX5jlJ7NU |
| 05:11.45 | LinuxApprentice | somiaj: apt-get says ndiswrapper-dkms is already installed as well as the kernel headers |
| 05:12.37 | LinuxApprentice | somiaj: i have the driver for my wireless succesfully loaded into ndiswrapper, how do i initialize ndiswrapper ? |
| 05:12.45 | THE_GFR|WORK | how do I fix this "error mounting: mount exited with exit code 1: helper failed with: mount: can't find /dev/sdc1 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab" even though it's in /etc/fstab |
| 05:13.33 | somiaj | LinuxApprentice: sounds like the module wasn't built correctly, try to reinstall the dkms package and see if there are any errors about building the moudle |
| 05:13.52 | LinuxApprentice | somiaj: so try to reinstall ndiswrapper-dkms ? |
| 05:14.11 | somiaj | LinuxApprentice: yea apt-get --reinstall install ndiswrapper-dkms I belive is how you do it |
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| 05:14.28 | somiaj | LinuxApprentice: if it is saying 'module is not found' it is most likely because the module has faild to be built correctly. |
| 05:14.37 | LinuxApprentice | somiaj: ok let me try |
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| 05:14.53 | somiaj | LinuxApprentice: may I ask what network card you are using this for? (seems ndiswrapper isn't needed that much anymore) |
| 05:16.00 | LinuxApprentice | somiaj: that command said 'module build for the currently running kernel was skipped since the kernel source for this kernel does not appear to be installed' ???? |
| 05:16.24 | somiaj | that is saying it isn't finding the headers correctly...hmmm |
| 05:16.33 | LinuxApprentice | somiaj: how can i reinstall the headers? |
| 05:16.49 | LinuxApprentice | somiaj: maybe i installed the wrong headers? |
| 05:16.54 | THE_GFR|WORK | how do I fix this "error mounting: mount exited with exit code 1: helper failed with: mount: can't find /dev/sdc1 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab" even though it's in /etc/fstab |
| 05:17.22 | somiaj | LinuxApprentice: that is possible, there are lots of different kernel versions out there and you need the right one |
| 05:17.35 | somiaj | LinuxApprentice: again what network card is this for? |
| 05:17.48 | LinuxApprentice | so 'apt-get install linux-headers-uname -r' will install the CORRECT headers? |
| 05:17.49 | somiaj | LinuxApprentice: just want to make sure it isn't one of the many that now have native linux support and don't need this wrapper |
| 05:18.01 | LinuxApprentice | somiaj: chipset is RTL8188SU |
| 05:18.10 | somiaj | linux-headers-`uname -r` |
| 05:18.14 | LinuxApprentice | ive tried the firmware and all the tutorials and none of them work |
| 05:18.40 | somiaj | LinuxApprentice: http://wiki.debian.org/rtl819x -- your card is listed there under supported devices? |
| 05:19.27 | somiaj | LinuxApprentice: may I get the lspci or lsusb output for that card? |
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| 05:20.12 | somiaj | LinuxApprentice: 0BDA:8171 Realtek Semiconductor Corp. RTL8188SU 802.11n WLAN Adapter -- if that is your device you should use the default kernel modules (and not ndiswrapper) |
| 05:20.33 | LinuxApprentice | belkin components f7d1101 basic wireless usb adapter v10000 [Realtek RTL8188SU] |
| 05:20.58 | LinuxApprentice | default kernel modules? |
| 05:21.17 | somiaj | LinuxApprentice: so you said you insatlled the package 'firware-realtex' from the non-free repos? |
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| 05:21.50 | LinuxApprentice | ..realteX? |
| 05:21.54 | LinuxApprentice | you mean firmware-realtek ? |
| 05:22.00 | somiaj | yes sorry |
| 05:22.12 | LinuxApprentice | yes that is installed |
| 05:22.36 | somiaj | can I see the output of dmesg (unplug and replug in the device and I just need the end of the output that talks about the device you just pluged in) |
| 05:22.44 | LinuxApprentice | i copy the <firmware>.bin file to the proper directory and nothing happens when i plug it in |
| 05:22.56 | somiaj | paste.debian.net if you can put it there |
| 05:23.10 | LinuxApprentice | umm, how can i copy that in the shell? i'm not in gnome |
| 05:23.24 | somiaj | !pastebin |
| 05:23.25 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ http://paste.pocoo.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>, <lodgeit.py>. |
| 05:23.47 | somiaj | LinuxApprentice: you can do dmesg | tail -n 10 > file.text (then upload that file) |
| 05:23.55 | LinuxApprentice | ok |
| 05:24.00 | somiaj | or use pastebinit tool |
| 05:24.19 | somiaj | (you could also install gpm if you want a mouse in the console) |
| 05:24.53 | LinuxApprentice | somiaj: installing gpm |
| 05:25.28 | LinuxApprentice | ok i have mouse cursor, let me get u that dmesg output |
| 05:25.30 | LinuxApprentice | one sec |
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| 05:25.35 | AthomIk | have you Realtek RTL8188CUS ? |
| 05:25.51 | LinuxApprentice | AthomIk: ? |
| 05:25.58 | LinuxApprentice | AthomIk: see line above |
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| 05:26.02 | somiaj | 21:20 < LinuxApprentice> belkin components f7d1101 basic wireless usb adapter v10000 [Realtek RTL8188SU] |
| 05:26.08 | LinuxApprentice | AthomIk: ^ |
| 05:27.00 | AthomIk | ok, because for Realtek RTL8188CUS, debian drivers don't work |
| 05:27.10 | AthomIk | not stable |
| 05:27.23 | somiaj | wiki says that chipset is supported, and it is usually correct, but was hoping to see the output of dmesg to see what his kernel says about the drivers |
| 05:27.30 | somiaj | AthomIk: even if you install a backported kernel? |
| 05:27.35 | LinuxApprentice | somiaj: ok i have those lines in a .txt, how do i send? |
| 05:27.42 | AthomIk | non sid 3.2x kernel |
| 05:27.59 | somiaj | LinuxApprentice: paste.debian.net -- has an option to upload a file |
| 05:28.03 | LinuxApprentice | ok |
| 05:28.34 | somiaj | LinuxApprentice: again do you see any thing useful in that output that talks about the card (does it yell about missing firmware or anything)? |
| 05:28.36 | LinuxApprentice | somiaj: i don't see the option to upload a file, i'm using elinks |
| 05:28.48 | LinuxApprentice | somiaj: no it doesn't, it talks like its good to go |
| 05:28.49 | somiaj | it is under the box to paste code |
| 05:28.57 | somiaj | LinuxApprentice: ok, 'ifconfig -a |
| 05:29.02 | somiaj | do you see a wlan0 device in there? |
| 05:29.32 | LinuxApprentice | somiaj: no |
| 05:29.56 | LinuxApprentice | somiaj: and the light doesn't come on, on the device. 'ifup wlan0' doesn't work either |
| 05:30.23 | somiaj | well ifconfig -a would show all devices if they are up or down |
| 05:30.37 | LinuxApprentice | somiaj: wlan0 is not there, only eth0 and the loopback |
| 05:30.47 | LinuxApprentice | eth0, lo |
| 05:31.13 | LinuxApprentice | do i need something in /etc/network/INTERFACES? |
| 05:31.31 | LinuxApprentice | somiaj: what should lsmod report is the module is loaded? |
| 05:31.37 | somiaj | well I'd like to see the output, but other things to do is. 'lsmod | grep r8192' |
| 05:31.56 | somiaj | interfaces is for loaded devices, so editing that won't do anything |
| 05:32.02 | somiaj | (yet) |
| 05:32.18 | LinuxApprentice | lsmod | grep r8192 shows nothing |
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| 05:32.50 | LinuxApprentice | what is the complete filename of the module i need loader into the kernel ? |
| 05:33.16 | somiaj | 'modprobe r8182s_usb' that is the module the wiki says supports your device |
| 05:33.48 | LinuxApprentice | rt1819sfw.bin is located at '/lib/firmware/RTL8192SU' |
| 05:33.49 | somiaj | well supports that chipset |
| 05:33.56 | LinuxApprentice | somiaj: yes |
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| 05:34.07 | somiaj | so that modprobe command worked? |
| 05:34.14 | LinuxApprentice | no, it showed nothing |
| 05:34.19 | somiaj | that means it worked |
| 05:34.23 | LinuxApprentice | ? |
| 05:34.31 | LinuxApprentice | it didn't show the file though |
| 05:34.34 | somiaj | 'lsmod | grep r8192' |
| 05:34.35 | somiaj | arg |
| 05:34.40 | LinuxApprentice | arg? |
| 05:34.48 | somiaj | its 'modprobe 8192s_usb' I had a typo |
| 05:34.53 | LinuxApprentice | ok let me try that |
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| 05:35.19 | LinuxApprentice | same thing, nothing |
| 05:35.27 | LinuxApprentice | what if the modules weren't built |
| 05:35.30 | LinuxApprentice | or are not even present |
| 05:35.36 | somiaj | it should say 'module not found' |
| 05:35.50 | LinuxApprentice | it doesn't, drops back to the prompt |
| 05:35.58 | LinuxApprentice | doesn't list nothing |
| 05:35.59 | somiaj | but you can check dmesg, and 'lsmod | grep r8192' to see if it is loaded |
| 05:36.07 | somiaj | yea if it is sucessful it usually says nothing |
| 05:36.19 | LinuxApprentice | then why isn't ifconfig -a showing a wlan0? |
| 05:36.26 | LinuxApprentice | no lights blinking on the device either |
| 05:36.52 | LinuxApprentice | i know it works, can connect to a wireless network in XP |
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| 05:37.59 | somiaj | ok, seems I was wrong, I found a better supported module. 'modprobe r8712u' |
| 05:38.05 | AthomIk | only compil realteak drivers and change 2 files for have my realtek working http://askubuntu.com/questions/68198/installing-realtek-8188-wireless-driver-fails |
| 05:38.40 | LinuxApprentice | somiaj: 'modprobe r8712u' outputs 'module not found' |
| 05:38.53 | LinuxApprentice | is that the module i need? |
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| 05:39.08 | somiaj | LinuxApprentice: http://wiki.debian.org/rtl819x#r8712u (that is what i'm looking at, is that your device listed there)? |
| 05:40.03 | somiaj | LinuxApprentice: uname -a (what kernel do you have)? |
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| 05:40.16 | somiaj | uname -r is what I ment (less info but only teh ersion I care about) |
| 05:41.09 | LinuxApprentice | 2.6.32-5-686 |
| 05:41.10 | somiaj | LinuxApprentice: says that the module you need wasn't introduce until 2.6.37 (which is newer than the default sqeeuze kernel) |
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| 05:41.18 | somiaj | yea install a newer kernel form backports.debian.org |
| 05:41.28 | LinuxApprentice | somiaj: how do i install newer kernel? |
| 05:41.30 | somiaj | I'd say go with the 3.2 kernel, but the 2.6.39 kernel will work as well |
| 05:41.37 | LinuxApprentice | let me ask u this |
| 05:41.50 | LinuxApprentice | im running a pentium 3,256MB ram. would 3.2 be wise? |
| 05:42.03 | LinuxApprentice | i can't 'apt-get install kernel 3.2' ? |
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| 05:42.12 | somiaj | LinuxApprentice: http://backports-master.debian.org/ -- start there. Add a single deb for the backpor sources |
| 05:42.21 | LinuxApprentice | somiaj: ok |
| 05:42.36 | LinuxApprentice | should i use 3.2 running a pentium3,256MB ram ? |
| 05:42.46 | somiaj | LinuxApprentice: install the kernel your want. the difference between 2.6.39 and 3.2 is very small, I woudln't worry about it. They are both very similar to the 2.6.32 (just more modules, and slight changes) |
| 05:43.10 | somiaj | well if you can run the 2.6.39 you can run the 3.2 [it is a version change, but not really anything more than that, development hasn't changed] |
| 05:43.13 | LinuxApprentice | somiaj: but modules don't get loaded unless the hardware/devices are present correct? |
| 05:43.19 | somiaj | correct |
| 05:43.20 | AthomIk | i try to create a wireless bridge, hostapd is a good way ? |
| 05:43.41 | LinuxApprentice | ok let me try to install a newer kernel, i will keep u posted |
| 05:44.27 | somiaj | LinuxApprentice: yea with a single backport source in /etc/apt/sources.list it should be apt-get -t squeeze-backports linux-image-2.6.39bpo (or whate ever the actual name is, use apt-cache search) |
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| 05:44.48 | somiaj | again 2.6.39 or 3.2 is your choice, I'd suggest the newer one but for your system it won't matter, it just needs to be > 2.6.37 to have the kernel moduel you need |
| 05:45.03 | somiaj | you may also need to install the realtek firmware from backports |
| 05:45.24 | LinuxApprentice | ok |
| 05:45.44 | LinuxApprentice | so once i add backports to my sources i use apt-get to install from backports ? |
| 05:45.58 | somiaj | just make sure you add a -t squeeze-backports because of its default pinning |
| 05:46.09 | somiaj | but yes, just install like anything else with apt-get or aptitude |
| 05:46.21 | LinuxApprentice | -t? |
| 05:46.38 | somiaj | it tells it to install from a lower priority source. |
| 05:46.59 | LinuxApprentice | so 'deb FULLURL squeeze-backports main -t' ? |
| 05:47.04 | somiaj | by default the backport soureces are pinned for lower priority to prevent their packages from updating over your stable packages |
| 05:47.09 | somiaj | oh no |
| 05:47.22 | LinuxApprentice | use -t when i apt-get backports? |
| 05:47.35 | somiaj | 'deb fullrul squeeze-backports main contrib non-free' (you may need some non-free firmware) |
| 05:47.43 | somiaj | http://backports-master.debian.org/ -- follow the instructions there |
| 05:48.54 | LinuxApprentice | ok |
| 05:48.59 | LinuxApprentice | give me a few minutes |
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| 05:49.26 | somiaj | take yer time, but once you get that all done right your device should work |
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| 05:50.22 | LinuxApprentice | ok |
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| 05:51.13 | LinuxApprentice | somiaj: what is the PKG name of the 3.2 kernel ? |
| 05:51.32 | somiaj | apt-cache search linux-image-3.2 (once you get the sources updated) |
| 05:51.42 | somiaj | I think it has a bpo appended to it |
| 05:51.50 | somiaj | also get the correct arch |
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| 05:52.31 | LinuxApprentice | bpo? |
| 05:52.44 | LinuxApprentice | what is difference between 686, 486? |
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| 05:54.07 | takahiro | doesn't 686 have some newer instructions like MMX or 3DNow |
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| 05:54.21 | takahiro | and 486 is... pretty old :) |
| 05:54.36 | LinuxApprentice | what is pentium 3? |
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| 05:55.03 | takahiro | pentium 3 was cool, i think it still is one of the last single core cpus |
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| 05:55.38 | LinuxApprentice | is pentium 3 686 or 486? |
| 05:55.40 | takahiro | i don't remember, it's been too long - wikipedia has a nice history |
| 05:55.43 | LinuxApprentice | i'm running pentium 3 |
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| 05:56.42 | somiaj | takahiro: 686 is pii and newer for the most part |
| 05:56.53 | LinuxApprentice | somiaj: ok |
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| 05:57.45 | somiaj | LinuxApprentice: the append a bpo to the kernel version so it is clear you are running a backport kernel. |
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| 05:58.06 | takahiro | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X86 if you look for pentium 3, it's the 6th generation |
| 05:58.13 | LinuxApprentice | somiaj: so this will replace my 'default' kernel? |
| 05:58.20 | somiaj | it will live along side of it |
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| 05:58.32 | somiaj | when grub boots you can choose between the two |
| 05:59.01 | somiaj | though it will be the default (cause of higher version number) |
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| 06:00.12 | LinuxApprentice | somiaj: i see, well i have run the command. downloading kernel image |
| 06:00.20 | LinuxApprentice | :-/ |
| 06:00.58 | LinuxApprentice | somiaj: can i install the very first kernel? 1.0 ? |
| 06:00.59 | somiaj | LinuxApprentice: you will also want to install the realtek-firmware package from backports |
| 06:01.09 | LinuxApprentice | somiaj: will do |
| 06:01.20 | somiaj | LinuxApprentice: your current debian system would not run on it |
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| 06:01.46 | somiaj | with udev you need a fairly recent kernel. |
| 06:01.51 | LinuxApprentice | somiaj: what do u mean? |
| 06:01.54 | LinuxApprentice | oh |
| 06:01.56 | LinuxApprentice | of course |
| 06:01.59 | somiaj | and that is only one of the many changes since that kernel |
| 06:02.25 | LinuxApprentice | somiaj: i install the new firmware-realtek from the backports right? |
| 06:02.32 | LinuxApprentice | 'firmware-realtek' ? |
| 06:02.41 | somiaj | correct, so append that -t squeeze-backports again |
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| 06:02.55 | LinuxApprentice | ok |
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| 06:03.21 | LinuxApprentice | once i install the realtek firmware should i run depmod -a before i reboot into the new kernel? |
| 06:03.48 | somiaj | no that is all done by the debian packages install scripts |
| 06:04.03 | somiaj | just reboot, and since you now ahve the right module for that device everything should just work |
| 06:04.10 | LinuxApprentice | ok it's complaining about ndiswrapper, i need to remove that |
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| 06:04.22 | somiaj | I would, you don't need it |
| 06:04.28 | LinuxApprentice | apt-get purge ndiswrapper-utils-1.9 ? |
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| 06:04.59 | somiaj | --purge remove |
| 06:05.06 | somiaj | take out the dkms and common pacakges as well |
| 06:05.17 | LinuxApprentice | common? |
| 06:05.22 | somiaj | ndiswrapper-common |
| 06:05.31 | somiaj | (it would probabaly remove all three cause of depends) |
| 06:07.08 | LinuxApprentice | when i tried to install 'firmware-realtek' from the backports it said it's already the newest version? |
| 06:07.26 | Blue1 | LinuxApprentice: i have a recipe for that hang on |
| 06:07.45 | LinuxApprentice | ? |
| 06:07.53 | LinuxApprentice | somiaj: do i need to 'update-grub' ? |
| 06:07.55 | somiaj | LinuxApprentice: dpkg -l | grep firware-realtek (check the version) |
| 06:08.00 | LinuxApprentice | ok |
| 06:08.01 | somiaj | nope that is all done automatically |
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| 06:08.54 | LinuxApprentice | o.28+squeeze1 |
| 06:09.07 | LinuxApprentice | *0.28+squeeze1 |
| 06:09.19 | somiaj | did you do apt-get -t squeeze-backports install realtek-firmware |
| 06:09.45 | LinuxApprentice | yes |
| 06:09.52 | LinuxApprentice | said already newest version |
| 06:10.01 | LinuxApprentice | so i'm good then right? reboot? |
| 06:10.05 | LinuxApprentice | into new kernel |
| 06:10.06 | somiaj | ,version realtek-firmware |
| 06:10.07 | LinuxApprentice | ? |
| 06:10.08 | judd | No package named 'realtek-firmware' was found in i386. |
| 06:10.22 | somiaj | ,version firmware-realtek |
| 06:10.23 | judd | Package: firmware-realtek on i386 -- lenny-backports/non-free: 0.27~bpo50+1; squeeze/non-free: 0.28+squeeze1; squeeze-backports/non-free: 0.32~bpo60+1; wheezy/non-free: 0.34; sid/non-free: 0.35 |
| 06:10.33 | Blue1 | LinuxApprentice: http://pkill-9.com/getting-wireless-connect-to-work-for-acer-aspire-on-ubuntu/ |
| 06:10.37 | somiaj | LinuxApprentice: did you add the 'non-free' to your sources.list? |
| 06:10.58 | somiaj | on your backport repo. |
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| 06:11.05 | LinuxApprentice | somiaj: no let me do that |
| 06:11.10 | Blue1 | yeah you need that |
| 06:11.33 | somiaj | He must have missed when I told him to append it during that part. (: |
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| 06:12.01 | somiaj | but alas hopefully we'll get a wlan0 appearing. |
| 06:12.56 | Blue1 | i had to do a back port to get my lan card to work (see above) |
| 06:13.08 | LinuxApprentice | ok i'm done, it's installed |
| 06:13.24 | LinuxApprentice | now when i boot into the new kernel do i have to copy the firmware file to /lib/firmware/shldkjshfsd again? |
| 06:14.11 | LinuxApprentice | ok i'm going to reboot |
| 06:14.26 | Blue1 | j |
| 06:14.28 | Blue1 | k |
| 06:14.31 | LinuxApprentice | i'll be back |
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| 06:20.15 | chaospsychex | somiaj: it worked! |
| 06:20.22 | chaospsychex | i'm on wlan0!!!!!! |
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| 06:20.35 | somiaj | I figured, once I correctly identified your device. |
| 06:20.41 | somiaj | (: |
| 06:20.51 | chaospsychex | i have errors though from boot, let me check |
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| 06:24.52 | chaospsychex | something about failed to initialize radeon and load firmware but then at the end of that section it says radeon initialized? |
| 06:25.38 | somiaj | chaospsychex: look at the exact error, it should be somewhere in the output of dmesg |
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| 06:27.43 | somiaj | might just need to install update your firmware-linux-nonfree package to get the right firmware |
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| 06:28.50 | chaospsychex | somiaj: radeon-cp: Failed to load firmware "radeon/R100_cp.bin" | drm:r100_cp_init] *ERROR* Failed to load firmware! | failed initializing CP (-2) | disabling gpu accerleration' |
| 06:28.53 | chaospsychex | ? |
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| 06:29.12 | somiaj | yea you are missing the non-free firmware so don't have 3d support. See above comment |
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| 06:29.49 | somiaj | actually says aby gpu accerleration |
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| 06:31.08 | chaospsychex | ok |
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| 06:33.26 | chaospsychex | somiaj: on backports? |
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| 06:40.23 | chaospsychex | somiaj: i'm all set, no errors. thanks alot for your help buddy! |
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| 06:48.45 | FollowingFly | hey |
| 06:49.06 | skilz | Say I want to get all images from a directory like http://192.168.0.1/Images/*.* how do I do it? |
| 06:49.16 | skilz | wget says wildcards not supported |
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| 06:50.40 | FollowingFly | look for an old pro gram called teleport |
| 06:50.48 | cantido | skilz: does the directory have a listing? |
| 06:50.58 | FollowingFly | i will find the link |
| 06:50.59 | cantido | skilz: wget has a mirror thing that downloads all links.. |
| 06:51.24 | cantido | skilz: wildcards like you wrote wouldnt work anyhow as they are expanded by the shell |
| 06:51.27 | FollowingFly | teleport torrent |
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| 06:52.52 | skilz | cantido, So how would I do it? |
| 06:53.02 | FollowingFly | old prgram called teleport u fint it torrents - it copies it all |
| 06:53.04 | skilz | if I cant to get all files from that directory |
| 06:53.16 | skilz | okay |
| 06:53.24 | skilz | thats the only thing that will do it? |
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| 06:53.57 | FollowingFly | it;s was called teleport pro circa 1993 avail @ denmoid |
| 06:54.02 | somiaj | skilz: see if there is a recursive option, wget -r foo |
| 06:54.46 | FollowingFly | I have not irc since 1999 ---- however irc now gives u forewall which I like |
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| 06:56.43 | FollowingFly | hack my ip |
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| 07:01.01 | cantido | skilz: the remote server needs to give a directory listing for wget to follow |
| 07:01.26 | cantido | skilz: it cant just magic up what files are there.. the mirror option will download the listing and anything it points to |
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| 07:07.46 | reggal | A question about debian install |
| 07:08.17 | cantido | reggal: just ask it.. |
| 07:08.59 | reggal | I have a broken /proc. I don't know why but when I try to install over an old install, it gets an error during the Deboot strap. It says: "Debootstrap warning" "Warning: Failure trying to run: chroot /target mount -t /proc proc /proc |
| 07:09.05 | reggal | This never happened before |
| 07:09.14 | reggal | I even tried removing /proc (rm -r /proc) and it still doesn't work |
| 07:09.30 | reggal | I don't want to format because I messed up my system |
| 07:09.40 | reggal | (system's video drivers) |
| 07:09.57 | cantido | reggal: so you messed up your install and you're trying to fix it by installing over the top of it? instead of fixing it? |
| 07:10.05 | reggal | right |
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| 07:10.12 | cantido | reggal: dont do that |
| 07:10.16 | reggal | I hurt my nvidia graphics drivers beyond repair |
| 07:10.17 | reggal | okay |
| 07:10.24 | reggal | well, anyway, I need a new /proc since I rm -red it |
| 07:10.36 | cantido | reggal: proc isnt a normal file system |
| 07:10.48 | reggal | what should I look for on google, make new /proc debian? |
| 07:10.52 | cantido | reggal: are you running debootstrap from the broken system? |
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| 07:11.06 | cantido | reggal: again, dont do that, either reinstall it properly or fix the issue |
| 07:11.07 | reggal | No, I'm running debootstrap from the Debian installation CD as a part of the installation process |
| 07:11.23 | reggal | okay I learned my lesson |
| 07:11.44 | cantido | if you have /home one a different fs you can just format root and tell debian to mount the existing /home to /home |
| 07:12.49 | reggal | you're saying I need to reformat entirely now that I removed my /proc directory? |
| 07:12.50 | cantido | you might want to check /var for data you want too though I guess |
| 07:13.19 | cantido | reggal: I dont know what the hell you are doing, proc in the target should be empty if proc isnt mounted |
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| 07:13.31 | cantido | reggal: proc isnt a normal filesystem |
| 07:13.40 | reggal | okay |
| 07:13.48 | reggal | it is |
| 07:13.52 | reggal | I have /proc with nothing in it |
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| 07:14.50 | cantido | reggal: the error you are getting is when it tries to mount /proc inside the target.. which / are you talking about? |
| 07:14.55 | davebs | Can anyone explain what's going wrong here when I try to install emerald? https://gist.github.com/1693186 |
| 07:16.04 | reggal | I'm saying that I can't install from the Debian NetInstall CD because of a /proc error |
| 07:16.27 | cantido | reggal: drop into a shell and see what is happening.. |
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| 07:16.43 | cantido | reggal: chroot into the target and try mounting proc |
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| 07:16.59 | reggal | this is weird, proc is still empty |
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| 07:17.04 | reggal | nevermind I'll try again |
| 07:17.13 | patricx | hello |
| 07:17.24 | cantido | reggal: what does mount say when chrooted into the target? |
| 07:17.37 | patricx | i've just intall debian |
| 07:17.52 | patricx | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:17.58 | cantido | reggal: what does mount do when you try to mount /proc, what is the return code |
| 07:18.01 | patricx | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:18.06 | cantido | patricx: your space bar seems to have issues too |
| 07:18.12 | cantido | patricx: aptitude |
| 07:18.14 | JoeBloggs | apt-get install sudo ? |
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| 07:19.14 | patricx | as a root? |
| 07:19.19 | JoeBloggs | yes |
| 07:20.03 | patricx | how to i dont have my cd1 |
| 07:20.20 | cantido | patricx: add a http source |
| 07:20.36 | cantido | and disable the cd source |
| 07:21.02 | patricx | my network interface can't access internet too |
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| 07:21.50 | cantido | patricx: you'll need to work something out then, you cant install packages without having access to the packages |
| 07:22.05 | JoeBloggs | or install ubuntu |
| 07:22.24 | patricx | i have been asked to use debian |
| 07:22.39 | patricx | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:22.44 | cantido | patricx: if you have a usb flash drive and a machine with www access |
| 07:22.49 | JoeBloggs | well fo rnetwork you will need to configure your /etc/networks/interfaces |
| 07:22.53 | cantido | patricx: go to packages.debian.org and download the stuff you need |
| 07:23.12 | reggal | whatever I'll figure it out on my own |
| 07:23.45 | patricx | when use ifconfig only lo interface is displayed |
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| 07:24.01 | cantido | reggal: eh? I thought you wanted help |
| 07:24.07 | cantido | patricx: ifconfig -a |
| 07:24.21 | cantido | patricx: you probably need to configure your interface and bring it up |
| 07:25.36 | patricx | yeah to configure eth0 to connect using DHCP config |
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| 07:25.54 | cantido | patricx: for now, dhclient eth0 |
| 07:26.05 | cantido | patricx: that should get an ip |
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| 07:26.54 | cantido | patricx: you will need to configure /etc/network/interfaces properly at some point |
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| 07:32.40 | patricx | done i got an ip address |
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| 07:34.22 | patricx | as i'm connected to internet please how to install packets from internet |
| 07:34.42 | Blue1 | ? |
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| 07:35.11 | Blue1 | packets? |
| 07:35.21 | patricx | install using http not CD |
| 07:35.38 | Blue1 | oh. |
| 07:35.55 | patricx | ? |
| 07:36.18 | Blue1 | packages? |
| 07:36.25 | patricx | yes |
| 07:36.29 | patricx | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:37.30 | Blue1 | System/Administration/Synaptic Package Manager/Settings/Ubuntu Software/Uncheck CD |
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| 07:39.55 | patricx | i have System/Administration/connexion screen |
| 07:40.09 | JoeBloggs | edit /etc/apt/mirrors |
| 07:40.42 | JoeBloggs | or is it sources.list |
| 07:40.50 | JoeBloggs | sorry dont have a debian machine running |
| 07:40.59 | somiaj | its sources.list |
| 07:41.02 | zykotick9 | sources.list and comment out the cd lines |
| 07:41.54 | JoeBloggs | you will also need to add a mirror or uncomment the debian mirrors |
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| 07:42.29 | patricx | Warning: unknown mime-type for "/etc/apt/mirrors" -- using "application/octet-stream" Error: no "edit" mailcap rules found for type "application/octet-stream" |
| 07:42.57 | lasers` | Is there a linux equilvant for Google Picasa? |
| 07:43.01 | Blue1 | oops -- ubuntu vs debian |
| 07:43.09 | lasers` | Or something that'll organize my photos? |
| 07:43.12 | Blue1 | lasers`: yes picasa has a linux version |
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| 07:43.27 | Blue1 | lasers`: i use shotwell |
| 07:43.35 | lasers` | Blue1: "Picasa is not currently available for your operating system" |
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| 07:43.43 | JoeBloggs | nano /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 07:43.46 | lasers` | Shotwell. I'll give it a try. |
| 07:43.47 | maik | i'm trying to install the Apache2::AuthNetLDAP cpan module but it's asking me for apache sources. is there a debian apache sources package i can grab or should i just download the source and point cpan to it? |
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| 07:43.55 | Blue1 | lasers`: It might me on there site - I know i installed it. |
| 07:44.00 | JoeBloggs | lasers`, Windows in a Virtual Box ? |
| 07:44.18 | lasers` | JoeBloggs: No way. :D |
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| 07:45.15 | reggal | alright, thanks for the help |
| 07:45.18 | Blue1 | hmm -- ii picasa 3.0.5744-02 Image management application from Google where did I get it from? |
| 07:45.31 | reggal | Do any boot CDs out there have ntfs file recovery, not just like extundelete but for ntfs |
| 07:45.33 | lasers` | Blue1: Your dirty ubuntu repo? :| |
| 07:45.39 | lasers` | Blue1: Or you're on Ubuntu. Dunno. |
| 07:45.45 | reggal | I mean does Debian have a Live CD (not just install from multiple DVDs or Net install cd) |
| 07:45.59 | Blue1 | lasers`: no -- I d/l to my ubuntu machine and moved it over. |
| 07:46.59 | Blue1 | yes I am on ubuntu and other mahcine is debian |
| 07:47.10 | maik | reggal: UBCD has photorec and another popular one i can't remember the name of |
| 07:47.24 | Blue1 | lasers`: try shotwell you miay like that. |
| 07:47.25 | patricx | JoeBloggs: cd line is commented |
| 07:47.26 | somiaj | reggal: yes, check live.debian.net, there are ways to make you own custom live cd, or you can use one of the four major desktop images there |
| 07:47.39 | patricx | please is it all ? |
| 07:47.41 | Blue1 | picasa was too hard for me to use. |
| 07:47.54 | maik | get a Mac with iPhoto :) |
| 07:48.27 | Blue1 | okay off to bed am i |
| 07:48.30 | Blue1 | night folks |
| 07:48.51 | lasers` | maik: You jest. :) |
| 07:49.00 | maik | indeed |
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| 07:51.16 | JoeBloggs | patricx, you'll need to uncomment the default mirror sites that are commented out |
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| 07:53.10 | patricx | theses ones i guest |
| 07:53.15 | patricx | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:53.54 | JoeBloggs | yes |
| 07:53.57 | JoeBloggs | save |
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| 07:54.09 | JoeBloggs | run : apt-get update |
| 07:54.21 | patricx | ctrl+O to save |
| 07:54.29 | patricx | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:54.40 | patricx | doesn't |
| 07:54.50 | JoeBloggs | Ctrl X ? |
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| 07:57.23 | patricx | yes done |
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| 07:59.19 | patricx | please why does i need to run apt-get update |
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| 08:00.57 | patricx | apt-get install sudo |
| 08:01.10 | patricx | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:02.43 | patricx | visudo |
| 08:03.08 | patricx | can't be found too |
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| 08:03.29 | qdb | hello. youtube videos stopped working today in squeeze repo browser - iceweasel 3 5 16 |
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| 08:03.56 | qdb | can any body confirm , and may be report bug? |
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| 08:13.10 | |DM| | how can i connect to websites, yet be unable to ping them? |
| 08:13.15 | vincent_ | hello |
| 08:13.40 | JoeBloggs | ICMP = Ping HTTTP = TCP |
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| 08:13.59 | |DM| | so something is blocking the ICMP respond messages? |
| 08:14.04 | |DM| | (router) |
| 08:14.19 | JoeBloggs | correct |
| 08:14.24 | |DM| | because it even resolves the domain name to ip |
| 08:15.55 | |DM| | thanks for the infos |
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| 08:24.34 | osmosis | just noticing 'New architectures/kernels: kfreebsd-i386, kfreebsd-amd64' this means you can use the freebsd kernel instead of linux?? |
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| 08:24.51 | mojo-jojo | osmosis: exactly |
| 08:24.57 | osmosis | crazy |
| 08:25.15 | mojo-jojo | http://www.debian.org/ports/ |
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| 08:26.16 | mojo-jojo | inofficially there's also hurd-i386 and netbsd-[i386|alpha] |
| 08:26.27 | osmosis | does that mean I can start recommending it to my freebsd friends? or is it still quite a stretch? |
| 08:26.37 | mojo-jojo | debian is the universal os after all |
| 08:26.46 | osmosis | ahh..so i saw on the new website |
| 08:26.53 | osmosis | can it do pacman? |
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| 08:27.15 | osmosis | because ive always been bummed that apt-get doesnt have ascii colors...fell in love with those with gentoos emerge |
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| 08:30.25 | mojo-jojo | i guess so but never tried it: pacman4console - a console based pacman game |
| 08:30.42 | lasers` | That's not what he's looking for. :) |
| 08:31.48 | mojo-jojo | yeah, i get it now. he wants the pacman package manager, doesn't he? :D |
| 08:31.52 | qdb | hello. youtube videos stopped working today in squeeze repo browser - iceweasel 3 5 16 . can any body confirm , and may be report bug? |
| 08:32.21 | lasers` | mojo-jojo: Yes. I like pacman too. Useful. Lot of parameters. |
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| 08:34.07 | lasers` | osmosis: You could make a bash script with case switch. Put it in ~/bin. |
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| 08:35.04 | prince_jammys | use aptitude. it has colors and minesweeper, which is granted not as fun as pacman. |
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| 08:44.33 | osmosis | does the debian installer support disk encryption? |
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| 08:47.29 | zzarch | I recall that I set mine up in the installer. |
| 08:47.38 | osmosis | you used encrypted LVM? |
| 08:47.50 | zzarch | osmosis: Apparently so. |
| 08:48.03 | osmosis | cool |
| 08:48.11 | lasers` | I recall that I set mine up in the installer too. |
| 08:48.54 | zzarch | Yeah, the only trick is setting up a different /boot |
| 08:48.57 | zzarch | *a separate |
| 08:50.46 | mah454 | How can fix this : ./autogen.sh: 22: gtkdocize: not found |
| 08:50.59 | mah454 | what package must be install ? |
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| 08:52.34 | qdb | hello. youtube videos stopped working today in squeeze repo browser - iceweasel 3 5 16 . can any body confirm , and may be report bug? other flash player in other site also make iceweasel freeze... can anybody confirm? may be just my browser is hacked? |
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| 08:54.22 | streuner__ | judd, versions iceweasel |
| 08:54.23 | judd | Package: iceweasel on i386 -- lenny: 3.0.6-3; lenny-security: 3.0.6-3; squeeze: 3.5.16-10; lenny-backports: 3.5.16-11~bpo50+1; squeeze-proposed-updates: 3.5.16-11; squeeze-security: 3.5.16-11; sid: 9.0.1-1; wheezy: 9.0.1-1; experimental: 10.0~b6-1 |
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| 08:55.19 | mah454 | why iceweasel not synced with firefox version's ? |
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| 08:56.52 | streuner | mah454: /msg dpkg search |
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| 08:59.09 | qknight-- | mah454: install apt-file; apt-file update; apt-file search gtkdocize |
| 08:59.26 | qknight-- | mah454: this will show you in which package a file 'could' be in |
| 08:59.30 | streuner | judd, find gtkdocize |
| 08:59.53 | qdb | if you have not seen iceweacel freezes, i have seen it in http://www.crimean.org/islam/koran/kuliev/49 . now tested this page with empty profile. if i disable flash player it works. |
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| 09:00.04 | mah454 | fixed : apt-get install gtk-doc-tools |
| 09:00.10 | qdb | no... |
| 09:00.15 | qdb | also freezes |
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| 09:00.25 | qknight-- | mah454: did you use apt-file? |
| 09:00.43 | qdb | my ff is hacked?? |
| 09:00.47 | mah454 | no |
| 09:00.57 | qknight-- | mah454: still use it at least once so you get the idea |
| 09:01.02 | qknight-- | mah454: it is a very powerfull tool |
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| 09:01.16 | mah454 | apt-file ?! |
| 09:01.29 | qknight-- | mah454: as i told you, please read what i wrote about apt-file |
| 09:01.33 | qdb | this site probaly changes rarely. it worked now it freezes |
| 09:02.10 | qdb | seems nobody uses iceweasel from repo!!! |
| 09:02.26 | qdb | so why it there ?? ))) |
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| 09:03.04 | qdb | i use it because i think it is very stable ))) |
| 09:03.05 | streuner | almost everyone who uses iceweasel use it from the repo :-) |
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| 09:03.25 | qdb | you mean 3.5.16 ? i mean from default repo |
| 09:03.46 | streuner | do you use bpo? |
| 09:03.58 | qdb | backports? no |
| 09:04.35 | streuner | wonders what kind of package should make the flashplugin broken, the last days... |
| 09:04.43 | streuner | in stable |
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| 09:05.24 | qdb | streuner, i have not understood "in stable" |
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| 09:05.45 | streuner | qdb: please show us your sources.list in a pastebin |
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| 09:06.23 | qdb | http://paste2.org/p/1886264 |
| 09:07.41 | streuner | hm, seems not an official mirror? |
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| 09:09.09 | streuner | ftp.ru.debian.org/debian/ is the official mirror, i would use that |
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| 09:10.38 | streuner | but, anyway, mirror.yandex.ru should usually good too |
| 09:10.59 | streuner | qdb: did you look at dpkg.log yet? |
| 09:11.08 | qdb | streuner, no |
| 09:11.23 | streuner | qdb: (what kind of package(s) did you installed the last days...) |
| 09:12.11 | qdb | btw ff plugins are not there |
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| 09:13.30 | erikandre | anyone heard of Grase www-portal hotspot ? |
| 09:14.29 | qdb | streuner, http://paste2.org/p/1886266 |
| 09:14.41 | streuner | qdb: what kind of flash plugin do you use anyway? |
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| 09:15.39 | qdb | streuner, 11.1 r102 |
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| 09:17.51 | qdb | seems libqt4- packages are installed for unetbootin ... |
| 09:18.23 | qdb | i have deleted unetbootin but libqt4- s are left , though as i remember i made autoremove |
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| 09:19.14 | qdb | nobody here uses icewaesael 3 5 16 with flash 11.1 r 102 ? |
| 09:19.28 | streuner | its related to your flash plugin... |
| 09:19.54 | qdb | streuner, it just now freezed also without flash ... |
| 09:20.03 | qdb | i test again |
| 09:20.21 | qdb | yes it was on... |
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| 09:21.16 | qdb | indeed it works if flash is off |
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| 09:21.38 | qdb | lib ssl is updated. may be flash uses it ? |
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| 09:22.30 | streuner | qdb, do you use flashplugin-nonfree? |
| 09:22.39 | qdb | streuner, yes |
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| 09:24.38 | streuner | qdb: try update-flashplugin-nonfree --install |
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| 09:24.54 | qdb | streuner, i think if i say i use flash, default flash is adobe flash from stable repo. because i tried gnu etc flash they work very bad i would mention them if i use them |
| 09:26.05 | qdb | i have runned this command it said nothing |
| 09:27.11 | qdb | i have added --verbose |
| 09:28.52 | streuner | it seems to me then, you already have the latest stuff from adobe |
| 09:29.52 | qdb | streuner, i do not understand whether it has updated http://paste2.org/p/1886280 |
| 09:30.59 | qdb | i try again browser |
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| 09:31.32 | qdb | freezes |
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| 09:38.36 | qdb | streuner, are you going to ask somebody to confirm also or test yourself? |
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| 09:39.15 | qdb | or know out whether flash uses lib ssl? |
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| 09:41.51 | terron | I have a logical volume spanning 2 drives. I have debian installed on a different partition. if I reinstall debian on that same partition, will it affect the logical volume at all? |
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| 10:01.20 | Whisky | I did apt-get autoremove and the darn thing removed my network manager, too. Had to do ifconfig eth0 up through a wire and get network manager back. How do I know what else I've lost? |
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| 10:01.47 | IamTrying | I installed Debian in my new PC and i connected 40" LCD TV into it and i applied $ xrandr -o inverted , suddently it never works. |
| 10:02.12 | IamTrying | But same command works when i use old/traditoinal jumbo monitor (fat monitors like old time). |
| 10:02.23 | lasers` | Whisky: -C) cat /var/log/dpkg.log ;; |
| 10:02.36 | IamTrying | Why Debian fails to execute the "xrandr -o inverted" on my 40" LCD TV? |
| 10:02.37 | lasers` | Whisky: Ignore the I-C) thing. |
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| 10:03.42 | IamTrying | "xrandr -o inverted" also fails with Samsung 40", Sony 40" TV's now same. |
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| 10:07.05 | Whisky | lasers`, thank you. |
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| 10:07.15 | lasers` | Whisky: You're welcome. |
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| 10:15.51 | nArNAr | hey g |
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| 10:16.19 | nArNAr | configure: error: Package requirements (gtk+-2.0 >= 2.16) were not met: |
| 10:16.46 | nArNAr | Alternatively, you may set the environment variables GTK_CFLAGS |
| 10:16.48 | nArNAr | and GTK_LIBS to avoid the need to call pkg-config. |
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| 10:16.50 | nArNAr | How do I do that? |
| 10:18.11 | takahiro | are you mixing versions of debian nArNAr ? |
| 10:18.23 | nArNAr | no why? |
| 10:18.46 | takahiro | sometimes i get errors like that when i have my apt sources.list pointed to the wrong place |
| 10:18.47 | nArNAr | It's something im trying to install |
| 10:18.56 | nkuttler | nArNAr: something? |
| 10:19.01 | nArNAr | yes |
| 10:19.12 | nArNAr | Something I downloaded from sourceforge... |
| 10:19.33 | takahiro | did you check if there's already a debian package for it? |
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| 10:22.35 | nArNAr | yes |
| 10:22.42 | nArNAr | its called volumecontrolicon |
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| 10:23.20 | nArNAr | http://softwarebakery.com/maato/volumeicon.htmlhttp://softwarebakery.com/maato/volumeicon.html |
| 10:23.23 | nArNAr | oops |
| 10:23.27 | nArNAr | http://softwarebakery.com/maato/volumeicon.html |
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| 10:24.39 | takahiro | i think that is the same as this http://packages.debian.org/sid/volumeicon-alsa |
| 10:25.43 | nArNAr | oh |
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| 10:25.58 | nArNAr | Could it be that it's failing because I'm on PPC? |
| 10:26.41 | takahiro | well it's failing because what you downloaded needs a newer version of gtk |
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| 10:27.01 | takahiro | you can grab a newer version and try it |
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| 10:30.00 | takahiro | for example: http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/libgtk2.0-dev |
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| 10:30.22 | takahiro | although it says "2.0" here, the gtk version should be 2.20 which will be high enough for your app |
| 10:30.49 | takahiro | it's just a weirdness |
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| 10:31.19 | takahiro | then you shouldn't get that package requirements not met error |
| 10:31.26 | nArNAr | Hey im on a very old 700mhz PPC machine, whats the fastest web browser I can use? |
| 10:31.53 | takahiro | nArNAr, did you read what i wrote? -_- |
| 10:32.01 | nArNAr | currently using Mozilla Iceweasel 3.5.16 but it's a little resource consuming |
| 10:32.09 | nArNAr | yeah |
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| 10:33.04 | takahiro | i used to use the dillo web browser, which also uses gtk |
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| 10:33.15 | takahiro | it's very lightweight and 700mhz is plenty |
| 10:33.35 | takahiro | but the last time i used it was probably 8 years ago |
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| 10:34.43 | deebeezneez | does anyone know any android phone guess my picture games? |
| 10:34.52 | deebeezneez | for android and iphone |
| 10:35.06 | takahiro | maybe someone in #android knows |
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| 10:36.48 | nArNAr | thanks takahiro that solution fixed my problem :) |
| 10:37.47 | nArNAr | takahiro, the problem is browser versions, I need an older less resource consuming version |
| 10:37.55 | takahiro | you're welcome |
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| 10:41.35 | patrik83 | Hi, I have thinkpad with optimus, if it is relevant in this case, and I use nouveau and i915 driver. All works great, it detects resolution correctly, switch between tty's and X immediatelly. Far better than ever before with nvidia proprietary driver. But there is one thing, which doesnt work. If I have connected a TV through display port and I boot up my system, it doesnt detect resolution correctly at 100% cases. Is there any workaround or setting which I |
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| 10:41.54 | shevy | Gcc version: gcc version 4.6.1 (Debian 4.6.1-10) |
| 10:42.02 | shevy | G++ version: g++ (Debian 4.5.3-8) 4.5.3 |
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| 10:42.22 | shevy | I was told that it may be that different versions lead to problems when compiling certain software from source (MesaLib for instance) |
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| 10:42.36 | shevy | Is there a way to only update g++ alone to a specific version? |
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| 10:43.45 | shevy | When I do "aptitude install g++" it wants to intall loads of things I don't need or don't even want to -> http://pastie.org/3268814 |
| 10:43.45 | qdb | i test epiphany |
| 10:43.53 | qdb | also freezed |
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| 10:44.41 | qdb | do any body here use adobe flash and browser freezes with it in http://www.crimean.org/islam/koran/kuliev/49 or other page ? |
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| 10:53.48 | dutchfish | !tell qdb about adobe flash |
| 10:53.50 | nArNAr | takahiro, Now I need alsa-lib |
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| 10:54.04 | nArNAr | but apt-cache search doesnt find it |
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| 10:54.25 | dutchfish | qdb, specially about the update procedure |
| 10:54.51 | takahiro | sometimes i use google to find the name of the package |
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| 10:55.30 | qdb | dutchfish, i have today runned update command for it, and it has not fixed it. no backports |
| 10:55.34 | takahiro | like this http://packages.debian.org/es/source/squeeze/alsa-lib |
| 10:55.57 | dutchfish | qdb, it won't update with aptitude update or the like |
| 10:56.16 | qdb | dutchfish, i know , command was said to me here |
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| 10:56.54 | dutchfish | qdb, well, there are also alternatives mentioned, have you tried them; are the sources clean (i am not gona check those out for you) |
| 10:57.33 | shevy | ah well, I'll solve this without craptitude |
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| 10:57.55 | Guest42791 | hello |
| 10:58.06 | qdb | dutchfish, you think flashplayer-mozilla may help ? any way, i would report bug... and know out whether it is only at me |
| 10:58.35 | qdb | dutchfish, sources http://paste2.org/p/1886264 |
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| 10:59.18 | dutchfish | qdb, well, since i use the non-free edition to on lots of documents, i didnt find a problem in there so far, have you tried downloading one and run in debug mode to see its log? |
| 10:59.25 | qdb | dutchfish, i used update-flashplugin-nonfree --install |
| 10:59.42 | dutchfish | qdb, yes, that sounds ok to update |
| 11:00.06 | qdb | dutchfish, download what ? and run what in debug mode and how ? |
| 11:00.13 | dutchfish | qdb, you could also try aptitude purge and the reinstall it, to see if that bring a change |
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| 11:00.26 | qdb | ok |
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| 11:00.48 | nArNAr | takahiro, So whats the name of the package I need? |
| 11:00.57 | nArNAr | for alsa-lib |
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| 11:03.02 | takahiro | i think alsa-lib is the name of the package |
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| 11:03.11 | takahiro | but you need to add a "deb-src" line to your sources.list |
| 11:03.21 | nArNAr | ahh |
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| 11:03.42 | takahiro | i could be wrong, i'm new here |
| 11:03.44 | nArNAr | what what url? |
| 11:03.45 | dutchfish | qdb, flash debugging in a nutshell http://www.glitch.com/forum/general/4418/ |
| 11:04.08 | patrik83 | Hi, I have thinkpad with optimus, if it is relevant in this case, and I use nouveau and i915 driver. All works great, it detects resolution correctly, switch between tty's and X immediatelly. Far better than ever before with nvidia proprietary driver. But there is one thing, which doesnt work. If I have connected a TV through display port and I boot up my system, it doesnt detect resolution correctly at 100% cases. Is there any workaround or setting which I |
| 11:04.29 | qdb | dutchfish, have you installed latest ssls update? |
| 11:04.48 | qdb | dutchfish, purge and install has not fixed it |
| 11:04.48 | dutchfish | qdb, i always run with latest updates, why? |
| 11:05.03 | takahiro | i think the same urls |
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| 11:05.08 | qdb | dutchfish, i thought may be ssl update made that bug |
| 11:05.25 | takahiro | dpkg deb-src ? |
| 11:05.26 | dpkg | 'deb-src http://cdn.debian.net/debian/ [squeeze|wheezy|sid] main contrib non-free' (for example), replace with your own for a local mirror. Ask me about <source> for some information about how to build stuff, make sure the "build-essential" package is installed. You might need to have linux-headers-$(uname -r) (if using a Debian kernel) and the libc6-dev packages installed. |
| 11:05.44 | dutchfish | qdb, not that i am aware off, in fact i am running a flash atm on the tubes ;) |
| 11:06.09 | dutchfish | qdb, have you inspected your logs already? if not, do so |
| 11:07.15 | dutchfish | qdb, are you running stable, 32 or 64 bit, stock kernel, have you installed mozilla plugin, i need to know some more ... mmm... |
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| 11:07.38 | dutchfish | qdb, what video driver |
| 11:08.39 | qdb | what is "flash atm on the tubes" ? have not looked logs yet. 32 bits. i deleted nouveau, because it made comp freeze. "mozilla plugin" ? i tested with fresh profile and epiphany |
| 11:08.55 | qdb | i have not installed other video drivewr |
| 11:09.13 | dutchfish | qdb, i ment i am running it on youtube, just to listen to some music, does that work? |
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| 11:10.25 | qdb | dutchfish, youtube do not work |
| 11:11.02 | qdb | i see something in syslg no i test whetehr it is related |
| 11:11.05 | dutchfish | qdb, my best bet is, that it is related to your video driver or its setup |
| 11:11.31 | dutchfish | qdb, but hard to tell without seing any logs |
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| 11:12.07 | qdb | dutchfish, seems the logs are related |
| 11:12.41 | dutchfish | qdb, last thing to check, did you in past have a replolink to multimedia.org in your setup which is now disabled, or changed? |
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| 11:13.04 | dutchfish | qdb, lots of changes in the libs there |
| 11:13.11 | qdb | dutchfish, i instaled only darkice from it |
| 11:14.04 | qdb | dutchfish, this logs written when i tried flash now : ehrn |
| 11:14.06 | qdb | oh |
| 11:14.11 | dutchfish | qdb, maybe you use the repo in the setup again and run an: aptitude update && aptitude safe-upgrade |
| 11:14.14 | qdb | dutchfish, this logs written when i tried flash now : http://paste2.org/p/1886329 |
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| 11:15.04 | dutchfish | qdb, have you tried to setup acpi in your bios on a bit lower S level? |
| 11:15.08 | qdb | dutchfish? you mean to enable debian multimedia ? |
| 11:15.29 | dutchfish | qdb, just to see i f you are up 2 date with what you have installed from there |
| 11:15.33 | qdb | dutchfish, i do not knwo what is acpi and i do not remember it is in bios |
| 11:15.59 | qdb | dutchfish, if i ll make it i am afraid it wil upgrade not only darkice ! |
| 11:16.11 | dutchfish | qdb, true, mmmm |
| 11:16.52 | dutchfish | qdb, this is fine knot you have setup yourself ,,,, |
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| 11:18.01 | qdb | dutchfish, i have not understood ... ok you say i have made it good installing myself |
| 11:18.05 | dutchfish | qdb, start with the video driver, work from there up to the repos, make a list with dpkg|aptitude what came from maultimedia.org and solve that manually |
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| 11:18.56 | qdb | how can i know out what came from multimedia repo ... |
| 11:19.21 | qdb | googlte translate has freezed i have to disable flash |
| 11:19.44 | qdb | bevause no flash works |
| 11:19.48 | qdb | seems |
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| 11:21.20 | qdb | dutchfish, this has happened only today... i restarted comp yesterday at night ... |
| 11:22.22 | qdb | dutchfish, what was installed uninstalled http://paste2.org/p/1886266 |
| 11:23.07 | qdb | hmm i needed autoremove ... |
| 11:23.13 | qdb | i though i made it |
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| 11:23.52 | qdb | do not hep |
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| 11:26.32 | qdb | dutchfish, i installed sensord and removed it yesterday , may be it used acpid and have not uninstalled correctly? |
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| 11:27.58 | qdb | and why it should be related to flash |
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| 11:28.24 | qdb | and why it can be related to flash... |
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| 11:29.07 | qdb | acpid messages are not related ... |
| 11:29.22 | qdb | may be gpm messages are |
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| 11:29.46 | sobersabre | hi. |
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| 11:30.38 | qdb | dutchfish, seems when i force quit epiphany there is gpm messages |
| 11:30.39 | sobersabre | It's been a while since I was looking for a printer. I remember having annoying problems with inkjet devices, if they didn't regularly print. |
| 11:30.44 | sobersabre | Is this still the case ? |
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| 11:39.45 | qdb | may be my system is not as other people's, i mean, it may be hacked |
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| 11:41.00 | dutchfish | qdb, possible, use rkhunter and av scan and read in the debian wiki's how to avoid that |
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| 11:41.37 | dutchfish | qdb, but again, my best bet is that some weird issue with acpid and your video driver is messing it up |
| 11:42.11 | asarch | How can you fix the "No kernel modules were found" error from testing installation DVD? |
| 11:42.17 | dutchfish | qdb, what video card and what cpu? |
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| 11:42.44 | qdb | nvidia fx 5200 , athlon xp 1700+ |
| 11:43.26 | dutchfish | qdb, then my hunch about video/acpi might be the first you want to investigate |
| 11:43.50 | qdb | dutchfish, i have no idea |
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| 11:45.15 | dutchfish | qdb, check this out carefully, http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers and disbale acpi for now and see what that brings |
| 11:45.52 | dutchfish | qdb, and http://wiki.debian.org/KernelModesetting |
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| 11:46.25 | dutchfish | qdb, also interactivally use aptitude to find out the health of your packages |
| 11:46.57 | qdb | dutchfish, thank you |
| 11:46.58 | dutchfish | qdb, then install rkhunter to look for rootkits |
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| 11:47.28 | dutchfish | qdb, monitoring your net traffic also quickly reveals 'strange' stuff |
| 11:47.35 | dutchfish | yw |
| 11:48.24 | qdb | "acpi" not found on the page |
| 11:48.32 | dutchfish | qdb, and clear your browser cache |
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| 11:49.10 | dutchfish | qdb, if you use java, use openjdk sun's jdk in stable is hosed |
| 11:49.41 | dutchfish | qdb, kernel mode setting acpi=off |
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| 11:50.42 | dutchfish | qdb, it won't be easy, it needs determination to unwind the problem .... but .... good luck with the hunt |
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| 11:50.50 | qdb | dutchfish, i use pwm .... automatically changing cpu fan freq. , will it work without acpi ? |
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| 11:51.17 | qdb | i should look other log files |
| 11:51.21 | dutchfish | qdb, i suggest to disable it also for now to focus on your problem |
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| 11:51.54 | dutchfish | qdb, this will narrow the search down to the real issue |
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| 11:52.57 | dutchfish | qdb, looking at log files should be done regularly in any case |
| 11:53.20 | dutchfish | qdb, they are there for a reason ;) |
| 11:54.45 | qdb | i am going to press e in grub and add acpi=off but i am afraid i do not know where to write it |
| 11:55.34 | dutchfish | qdb, http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-newbie-8/help-with-appending-acpi%3Doff-to-grub-two-794888/ |
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| 11:55.57 | dinar_ | i am qdb |
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| 11:58.54 | dutchfish | dinar_, qdb, i am out of time, need to run, gl with the hunt for the issue |
| 11:59.20 | dinar_ | gl = ? |
| 11:59.26 | dinar_ | ok |
| 11:59.35 | dinar_ | go ? |
| 11:59.59 | dutchfish | good luck |
| 12:00.12 | dinar_ | thank you |
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| 12:10.58 | qdb | starnge. the page started to work. font in this chat and in ctrl alt f1 console are different. how can be these related to acpi ? |
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| 12:11.10 | qdb | i think my comp was hacked ... |
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| 12:11.35 | qdb | may be just restarting made it to start work, i ll try restart again with acpi |
| 12:11.59 | qdb | ti even did not stop correctly, waited for apache, i pressed button |
| 12:12.49 | woshty | ?! |
| 12:13.22 | endomafrendo | hi there, i have a new installation of debian Squeeze 6.03 64 bit. I am trying to install my brand new Radeon HD6770 according to the following wiki page: http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary. However when I come to the part aticonfig --initiall it says that "no supported adapters are detected". Any ideas? |
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| 12:14.44 | endomafrendo | the return of the "modprobe fglrx" is "FATAL: Error inserting fglrx (/lib/modules/2.6.32-5-amd64/updates/dkms/fglrx.ko): No such devic" |
| 12:15.02 | endomafrendo | any help greatly apperciated |
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| 12:15.38 | qdb | indeed it works without acpi=off now |
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| 12:18.12 | dutchfish | endomafrendo, use the open source drivers instead or/also check you have installed firmware-nonfree and recreate your initrd |
| 12:18.25 | dutchfish | qdb, retrace your steps carefully |
| 12:19.37 | dutchfish | endomafrendo, while fglrx might be tempting, i have better results with the open source drivers inside stable or testing |
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| 12:20.14 | dutchfish | endomafrendo, fyi i am also using HD6770 on a test setup, had to modeset radeon tho |
| 12:20.16 | endomafrendo | dutchfish: thanks for the quick reply. I would like to do some OpenCL so the open source drivers are not an option. I found however the following document in the debian page regarding the squeeze distribution of the fglrx driver: "http://www2.ati.com/drivers/linux/catalyst_109_linux.pdf" and it says that the 6*** radeons are not supported. This explains the error message |
| 12:20.47 | endomafrendo | dutchfish: what do you mean by the open source driver. is it gallium3d or something like that? |
| 12:21.08 | dutchfish | endomafrendo, opencl is not ready yep; see also http://www.x.org/wiki/RadeonFeature |
| 12:21.46 | dutchfish | endomafrendo, galium has lately being greatly expanded inside the newer kernels which i am tetsing inside wheezy |
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| 12:22.14 | dutchfish | endomafrendo, for the stable repo, you are out of luck with that card fro opencl at least |
| 12:22.19 | endomafrendo | dutchfish: so it is no option indeed... I tried also the newest drivers from the www.ati.com site. However I am not able to compile a deb module |
| 12:22.22 | dutchfish | s/fro/for |
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| 12:23.12 | dutchfish | endomafrendo, if you figure it out somehow, let me know, i am intrested into it myself, but i think we need to wait a bit more |
| 12:23.34 | dutchfish | hopefully soon |
| 12:23.37 | endomafrendo | ;-) |
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| 12:24.57 | dutchfish | altho the latest stable kernel looks promising, mesa isnt up to the task yet fully and drm needs alot of tweaking |
| 12:25.53 | dutchfish | i haven't done expirimenting on fglrx myself lately, i abondened completely since the open source video drivers are coming up to steam |
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| 12:28.42 | endomafrendo | dutchfish: thanks for the input |
| 12:28.46 | dutchfish | yw |
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| 12:29.11 | endomafrendo | dutchfish: i'll keep you posted if i find a way to compile the deb file |
| 12:29.26 | dutchfish | great, i would appreciate that :) |
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| 12:33.31 | dutchfish | endomafrendo, you also might be intrested in http://git.gnome.org/browse/gegl/log/?h=gsoc2011-opencl |
| 12:33.38 | dutchfish | (gimp related) |
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| 12:43.04 | endomafrendo | dutchfish: allright... i cannot compile the deb but when I remove ALL previous drivers i installed from the repository with aptitude purge I can install the driver from within xorg. It doesnot work on tty1 for example... |
| 12:43.33 | endomafrendo | now i'm running it, i hope it works allright |
| 12:43.45 | dutchfish | endomafrendo, also bookmarks this one http://dri.freedesktop.org/wiki/GalliumCompute |
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| 12:44.12 | dutchfish | right, it is only POC atm, hope this evolves quickly |
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| 12:44.40 | endomafrendo | thx |
| 12:44.43 | dutchfish | fun times ahead ;) |
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| 12:56.19 | thewanderer1 | what's a free video chat program that works (!empathy - bug; !kopete - no video chat option; !pidgin - always bails out with an error)? |
| 12:56.33 | dutchfish | mumble? |
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| 12:56.47 | qdb | i hope it is hardware problem |
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| 12:56.53 | thewanderer1 | dutchfish, no video |
| 12:57.17 | qdb | i have seen "unable to handle kernel paging request at ..." message on boot and it freezed |
| 12:58.08 | thewanderer1 | for reference, Empathy says "could not link source" |
| 12:58.25 | dutchfish | qdb, again, i think it is a video driver problem, see https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=88626 |
| 13:00.24 | qdb | i think it may be bad power supply |
| 13:00.57 | dutchfish | thewanderer1, i tried a while back empathy on gogle video chat but it sigv'ed on me |
| 13:01.18 | thewanderer1 | yeah well, Empathy never works right it seems |
| 13:01.20 | dutchfish | (stable) |
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| 13:04.58 | dutchfish | qdb, if you really think it is hardware, you can check that too if you want see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inquisitor_(hardware_testing_software) |
| 13:05.07 | thewanderer1 | it seems that there are no other video chat programs besides Skype :( |
| 13:05.30 | dutchfish | qdb, use it's live cd |
| 13:06.19 | dutchfish | thewanderer1, thats not much of a choice, i wish i could answer your q more satisfactory |
| 13:06.25 | guardian | hmm i have "umask 022" in root's .basrc, don't remember why. is it safe to remove? |
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| 13:12.35 | qdb | thanl you |
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| 13:12.39 | qdb | thank you |
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| 13:14.20 | qdb | dutchfish, i think that will not catch bad power supply )) |
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| 13:16.39 | patrik83 | Hi, I have thinkpad with optimus, if it is relevant in this case, and I use nouveau and i915 driver. All works great, it detects resolution correctly, switch between tty's and X immediatelly. Far better than ever before with nvidia proprietary driver. But there is one thing, which doesnt work. If I have connected a TV through display port and I boot up my system, it doesnt detect resolution correctly at 100% cases. Is there any workaround or setting which |
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| 13:30.20 | thewanderer1 | huh, I've never managed to fix nouveau causing a hard lockup with Optimus (even though all rendering was via i915), had to blacklist it... |
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| 13:33.34 | patrik83 | thewanderer1: well, as i said before, all works just great, switching, delayed switching between cards while running X, turning off/on unused one, kms also works great until I conect a TV (probably any other kind of secondary display generally). |
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| 13:35.10 | patrik83 | thewanderer1: Everything works great even with connected secondary display, but it can NOT be connectod before I boot up my system. This is the only case scenario under which I have a problem. |
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| 13:38.00 | poseid | hello |
| 13:38.18 | poseid | i am missing somehow the dev files for getaddrinfo() |
| 13:38.26 | poseid | what packages I need to install? |
| 13:38.56 | poseid | checking for getaddrinfo() in sys/types.h,sys/socket.h,netdb.h... no |
| 13:39.01 | poseid | is the problem |
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| 13:41.24 | patricx | hi |
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| 13:42.03 | patricx | please where does epiphany stores the downloaded files? |
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| 13:44.26 | GNU\colossus | patricx, my guess would be ~/Downloads |
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| 13:46.56 | patricx_ | sorry you said? |
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| 14:02.02 | gusto | hi ppl |
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| 14:02.17 | gusto | i am willing to set up a umts stick to my debian laptop |
| 14:02.52 | gusto | i saw on the wiki that it is possible to deactivate the PIN? because that would be great, not having to care about the PIN everytime |
| 14:03.04 | patricx | please i have downloaded and extract firefox.tar file |
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| 14:03.12 | patricx | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:03.15 | patricx | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:03.28 | abrotman | patricx: aptitude install iceweasel |
| 14:03.57 | patricx | icebassel is frefox? |
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| 14:04.35 | abrotman | patricx: yes |
| 14:04.42 | patricx | ok |
| 14:05.16 | patricx | what is the difference between apt-get and aptitude |
| 14:08.00 | EmleyMoor | aptitude is a new program that has the functionality of dselect and apt-get in one... and has certain pros and cons. On the whole aptitude seems to be a good thing |
| 14:08.51 | patricx | ok |
| 14:09.54 | gusto | ts |
| 14:10.08 | gusto | that disabling of sim pin seems to work from my phone on |
| 14:10.10 | gusto | hmmm |
| 14:10.18 | patricx | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:10.45 | EmleyMoor | What is Firebug? |
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| 14:11.17 | EmleyMoor | patricx: As for aptitude, /msg dpkg why aptitude and also why not aptitude |
| 14:11.41 | patricx | https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/firebug/?src=cb-dl-mostpopular |
| 14:11.43 | dsdeiz | hi, does thunar have it's own volume manager? |
| 14:11.53 | patricx | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:12.00 | patricx | to fix codes |
| 14:12.12 | EmleyMoor | patricx: What happens when you try? |
| 14:12.21 | cantido | patricx: firebug works with iceweasel just fine.. |
| 14:13.04 | EmleyMoor | As long as the versions are compatible, it shouldn't be a problem |
| 14:13.08 | patricx | cantido , i have this error Not available for Firefox 3.5.16 |
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| 14:13.14 | vincent_ | :quit |
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| 14:13.17 | themill | !mdn |
| 14:13.17 | dpkg | Backports of the Iceweasel web browser and Icedove mail client are not available from <debian backports>. See http://mozilla.debian.net/ for newer Iceweasel and Icedove for squeeze, wheezy and sid. Work continues to get the packages into the official archive without breaking too many other applications using XUL. Also ask me about <transition>, <squeeze-backports>, <testing>. |
| 14:13.47 | EmleyMoor | patricx: Ah... follow dpkg's advice |
| 14:13.53 | cantido | patricx: get a backport of a newer ff |
| 14:14.10 | cantido | oh, see dpkg ;~ |
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| 14:14.36 | EmleyMoor | is using iceweasel 9.0.1 |
| 14:14.41 | patricx | ok thanks |
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| 14:15.05 | cantido | prefers chrome.. |
| 14:15.12 | cantido | no decent replacement for firebug yet though |
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| 14:16.41 | patricx | after the update the releace remains the same |
| 14:17.20 | patricx | the release |
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| 14:21.01 | fasta | How is NFS supposed to work when the client mounts the server when the server isn't on yet? If I do mount /myNFS/share it says it has already been mounted or is busy. If I do umount <same share>; mount <same share> it does actually get into a state where ls <same share> shows directories from the server. |
| 14:21.10 | patricx | please how to install MPEG-1 Layer 3 (MP3) ? |
| 14:21.43 | cantido | wonders what the hell is wrong with patricx's space bar |
| 14:22.36 | patricx | cantido soory |
| 14:23.06 | patricx | my debian install is a minimal one |
| 14:23.11 | themill | patricx: are you sure you wouldn't be more comfortable getting help in #debian-fr? You seem to be struggling a lot here. |
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| 14:23.40 | patricx | maybe |
| 14:26.05 | patricx | is that channel oppened? |
| 14:26.15 | patricx | there is no one there |
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| 14:27.20 | sobersabre | fasta: there are several options on how to react to nfs mount attempt with server down. |
| 14:27.29 | sobersabre | one is to ... get stuck. another is to skip the mount. |
| 14:27.44 | sobersabre | But you understand if the server is down... you cannot use the files on it ;-) |
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| 14:28.13 | fasta | sobersabre: I think you are talking about the async mounting feature. |
| 14:28.19 | sobersabre | yes. |
| 14:28.29 | fasta | sobersabre: but it appears that it doesn't actually work. |
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| 14:28.56 | theGanymedes | hello everyone |
| 14:29.03 | fasta | sobersabre: I'd expect that 10 minutes after the server has booted, that a cd into a /myNFS/share directory would show directories. |
| 14:29.13 | fasta | sobersabre: but it doesn't. |
| 14:29.15 | sobersabre | Also, note that IFF you created the nfs server's folders by copying some older version of client's version of the same folder, you may experience "fantom files". that is: if the folder is not mounted, you see 1 set of files, when you do mount, you see another set of files. |
| 14:29.17 | theGanymedes | I have a question about DPKG .deb packages/scripts |
| 14:29.37 | theGanymedes | is it possible in a preinst script to change installation location of a .deb package? |
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| 14:29.55 | sobersabre | fasta: is that the case ? |
| 14:30.00 | fasta | sobersabre: no |
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| 14:30.23 | fasta | sobersabre: I either see nothing or something. |
| 14:30.52 | fasta | sobersabre: I just want to configure it in a predictable way. |
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| 14:31.19 | fasta | sobersabre: currently, I have no idea what it is doing, which is a very undesirable state for any system to be in. |
| 14:32.00 | fasta | sobersabre: I currently run umount first and then mount under suitable conditions in some scripts, but I have no idea whether I have covered all the cases. |
| 14:32.24 | fasta | sobersabre: I would like to use NFS as an actual abstraction, not a pile of failure waiting to happen. |
| 14:32.48 | theGanymedes | anyone? |
| 14:33.07 | themill | theGanymedes: what are you *really* trying to do? |
| 14:33.22 | theGanymedes | I'm publishing some .deb packages |
| 14:33.32 | theGanymedes | but, with respect to the user configuration |
| 14:33.45 | theGanymedes | the package needs to be installed in one of the two options |
| 14:33.54 | patricx | good week end to u all |
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| 14:34.06 | patricx | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:34.13 | theGanymedes | say, it option is a, it'll install to /home/; if option is b, the package will install to /usr/ |
| 14:34.25 | themill | theGanymedes: .debs are not relocatable |
| 14:34.34 | theGanymedes | I see.. |
| 14:34.44 | theGanymedes | so far I was making a virtual /install link |
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| 14:34.57 | theGanymedes | and relocating the links point to install |
| 14:35.04 | theGanymedes | location, but |
| 14:35.15 | theGanymedes | this solution seems to leave .dpkg-tmp files behind |
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| 14:37.41 | dsdeiz | hi, does thunar have it's own volume manager? |
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| 14:41.19 | abrotman | dsdeiz: you mean an automounter? |
| 14:41.24 | dsdeiz | yup |
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| 14:41.41 | abrotman | look at its dependencies and/or feature list |
| 14:42.19 | fasta | sobersabre: ? |
| 14:42.49 | dsdeiz | any links on how to do that? |
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| 14:44.04 | abrotman | dsdeiz: apt-cache show thunar ? |
| 14:44.24 | dsdeiz | oh cool. thx |
| 14:44.31 | Rep_ | Hi friends, I'm getting 'Grub hard disk error' when booting with mirror disk of my raid setup. Someone help me resolve this.. |
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| 14:47.20 | dsdeiz | it says in the description: "Please read README.Debian for volume management stuff." though i'm not finding it in one of the files that came with thunar |
| 14:47.34 | abrotman | dsdeiz: /usr/share/doc/thunar/ ? |
| 14:48.14 | dsdeiz | ah thx |
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| 14:55.47 | phr3ak | usr/bin/make EXTRAVERSION=-rc1-5-686 ARCH=i386 \ |
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| 14:55.48 | phr3ak | make: *** Documentation/lguest: No such file or directory. Stop. |
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| 15:14.45 | DesertEgl | morning everyone |
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| 15:15.58 | Blue1 | true that. |
| 15:16.13 | cookiemon5ter | is debian squeeze version 5 or 6 |
| 15:16.15 | DesertEgl | heh.. nice and muggy here in florida |
| 15:16.36 | abrotman | cookiemon5ter: 6 |
| 15:17.45 | DesertEgl | question, i'm a big linux newbie, im doing a netinst from cd, im at the software selection screen. i truly want a minimal install. if i only select the last option (std sys utils), wiill it give me a desktop? i would like to use lxde... |
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| 15:18.11 | abrotman | DesertEgl: nope .. it will give you nothing but basic shell tools .. |
| 15:18.13 | GNU\colossus | DesertEgl, not, it won't |
| 15:18.18 | GNU\colossus | s/not/no |
| 15:18.18 | abrotman | DesertEgl: but you can later install xorg and lxde |
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| 15:23.08 | DesertEgl | ok im going to go for it. im wondering if standard sys utils is even needed at all. im looking at what packages it installs but most of those names don't mean anything to me. |
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| 15:23.27 | abrotman | DesertEgl: yeah, you'll end up installing them eventually .. |
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| 15:24.10 | babilen | !tell DesertEgl -about install lxde |
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| 15:24.49 | DesertEgl | thanks babilen |
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| 15:25.09 | babilen | DesertEgl: You can ask the bot about all the things in <…> btw. -- /msg dpkg install x -- for example |
| 15:25.30 | DesertEgl | !tell DesertEgl -about install x |
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| 15:26.12 | babilen | DesertEgl: Err, no. Just "/msg dpkg install x" or say "install x" while chatting with dpkg in private. :) |
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| 15:27.46 | DesertEgl | it answered anyway, copied your format. thanks. i have an nvidia 560ti, should that be included somewhere while installing x? reading some google links at the moment. |
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| 15:28.05 | DesertEgl | dont mean to sound snobby it came out that way! :) |
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| 15:30.20 | stephanb | hi there, i got a question concerning the gtk-vim package... i just installed it, but if i execute "vim.gtk" i just get the cli vim... how do i get gvim on debian? |
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| 15:30.43 | babilen | DesertEgl: You will need a newer <nvidia> driver than the one in <stable>. Luckily you can install 275.36 from <backports> easily. Instructions can be found in <nvidia dkms>, but you need to pass "-t squeeze-backports" to aptitude in order to install from backports. I would recommend to come back once you completed the installation and we work on it then. |
| 15:31.09 | babilen | DesertEgl: (cf. ftp://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/275.36/README/README.txt) |
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| 15:31.38 | babilen | stephanb: Tried "gvim" ? |
| 15:31.40 | dsdeiz | any ideas how to install from sid? |
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| 15:32.00 | babilen | dsdeiz: Are you running sid? Which package do you want to install? |
| 15:32.05 | nsadmin | dsdeiz, what has you wanting to? |
| 15:32.08 | stephanb | babilen: yeah, it tells me that "gvim" contains "vim-gtk" |
| 15:32.21 | dsdeiz | im running squeeze but want to install packages from sid |
| 15:32.34 | dsdeiz | there was a factoid for dpkg last time tho i forgot what it was |
| 15:32.34 | jhutchins_lt2 | !frankendebian |
| 15:32.34 | dpkg | When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince #linux to help. |
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| 15:32.48 | stephanb | dsdeiz: just edit /etc/apt/sources list to sid, do apt-get update |
| 15:32.56 | babilen | stephanb: Are you using Debian? May I see the exact message and the output of "aptitude versions '~i~n^vim'" on http://paste.debian.net please? |
| 15:33.00 | nsadmin | well they may not be compiled so they work with squeeze libs |
| 15:33.04 | stephanb | dsdeiz: and after installing the desired package you change it back to stable |
| 15:33.15 | babilen | dsdeiz: Which package do you want to install? |
| 15:33.25 | dsdeiz | i got "deb-src http://cdn.debian.net/debian/ sid main contrib non-free" that came from an instruction in the bot's factoid |
| 15:33.26 | stephanb | babilen: sure, yeah i'm using debian ;) wait a sec |
| 15:33.27 | dsdeiz | inxi |
| 15:33.28 | babilen | stephanb: Please do *not* recommend that in here as it *will* break systems. |
| 15:33.36 | stephanb | babilen: k |
| 15:33.46 | nsadmin | stephanb, that has a good chance of breaking his system |
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| 15:34.21 | babilen | dsdeiz: I can't find the "inxi" package :-/ |
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| 15:34.40 | nsadmin | building packages from source is a better alternative |
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| 15:34.59 | stephanb | babilen: http://paste.debian.net/153879/ |
| 15:35.08 | dsdeiz | babilen: how did you search for it? |
| 15:35.15 | jdolan_ | what's up with the us mirror? |
| 15:35.26 | nsadmin | its altitude |
| 15:35.39 | abrotman | jdolan_: it's a round robin .. be more specific |
| 15:36.04 | jdolan_ | abrotman, oh, well.. i did a netinst of squeeze last night and all was good. |
| 15:36.16 | jdolan_ | this morning i'm adding some more packages and i'm getting like 15KBps |
| 15:36.19 | jdolan_ | if i'm lucky |
| 15:36.38 | babilen | dsdeiz: Various ways -- "apt-cache search inxi" among them. |
| 15:36.46 | nsadmin | that's a harder thing to find out about |
| 15:36.54 | abrotman | jdolan_: okay .. so choose a consistent mirror near you .. there's a nice mirror at MIT |
| 15:36.59 | DesertEgl | babilen: just an update for you, ran aptitude update && aptitude install xorg at the command line after installation. |
| 15:37.04 | abrotman | jdolan_: debian.org/mirrors/list |
| 15:37.10 | babilen | stephanb: Ok, and running either "gvim" and "vim.gtk" starts vim in the terminal? |
| 15:37.11 | stephanb | babilen: but i dont see anything wrong or even interresiing in this output |
| 15:37.14 | jdolan_ | thanks |
| 15:37.15 | nsadmin | all of MIT's mirrors tend to be nice |
| 15:37.32 | nsadmin | are you near or in mit? |
| 15:37.35 | babilen | stephanb: Yeah, that is fine -- What is the error message you get when you run either "gvim" or "vim-gtk" ? |
| 15:38.01 | jdolan_ | i'm in Waltham, about 12 miles from MIT. |
| 15:38.04 | jdolan_ | i work for Harvard tho. |
| 15:38.07 | jdolan_ | so don't tell! |
| 15:38.12 | jdolan_ | ;) |
| 15:38.16 | nsadmin | oh, cool... theywon't mind |
| 15:38.18 | abrotman | jdolan_: yeah .. we can tell |
| 15:38.27 | jhutchins_lt2 | Physical proximity is not the same as network proximity. Some connections to sites here in Kansas City go through Chicago or New York. |
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| 15:38.36 | nsadmin | does harvard not have a debian mirorr? |
| 15:38.38 | abrotman | jdolan_: shouldn't you be in the Virtual Waiting Room trying to buy Sox tickets? :) |
| 15:38.42 | abrotman | nsadmin: no |
| 15:38.44 | abrotman | not public anyway |
| 15:38.51 | jhutchins_lt2 | I frequently found that the Swiss mirrors for Mandriva were consistently faster than any US mirror |
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| 15:38.58 | jdolan_ | abrotman, nope, got some B's tickets for this thursday tho! |
| 15:39.06 | abrotman | bah! |
| 15:39.19 | abrotman | goes back to watching the line go down |
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| 15:39.51 | jhutchins_lt | !netselect |
| 15:39.51 | dpkg | netselect takes a list of servers and uses multiple pings and traceroutes to figure out which one has the best connectivity relative to you. See also <netselect-apt>. |
| 15:40.00 | abrotman | really? seriously? |
| 15:40.13 | abrotman | !tell jdolan_ about cdn.debian.net |
| 15:40.30 | nsadmin | isn't that like apt-spy? |
| 15:40.30 | abrotman | !tell jdolan_ about geo sources.list |
| 15:40.32 | abrotman | much better |
| 15:40.36 | abrotman | nsadmin: yes .. both equally silly |
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| 15:41.12 | DesertEgl | question... should i worry about installing nvidia drivers before lxde or after? |
| 15:41.28 | Iridos | dpkg, cdn.debian.net is <reply> see geo sources.list |
| 15:41.28 | nsadmin | is your screen working? |
| 15:41.29 | dpkg | okay, Iridos |
| 15:41.59 | DesertEgl | nsadmin: i have a command line in front of me, just finished a base installation. |
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| 15:42.14 | nsadmin | DesertEgl, I'd say worry about those drivers while getting X to work |
| 15:42.15 | jhutchins_lt | Iridos: Isn't it conventional to put the factoid inside angle brackets, as in <geo sources list>? |
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| 15:42.25 | babilen | DesertEgl: It doesn't really matter, but I would just install them now. Please configure backports as detailed in http://backports-master.debian.org/Instructions/ -- Could you also paste the output of "lspci -n" to http://paste.debian.net first? (I want to check the rest of your hardware) |
| 15:42.58 | Iridos | dpkg, tell jhutchins_lt about cdn.debian.net |
| 15:43.14 | stephan | babilen: gvim worked know... i thought "gtk.vim" was just an alias "gvim"... but obviously it wasnt |
| 15:43.15 | abrotman | bots are hard to use ... |
| 15:43.35 | Iridos | jhutchins_lt, it works, so... NO! :) |
| 15:43.38 | jhutchins_lt | Iridos: Interesting, thank you for the enlightenment. |
| 15:43.49 | stephan | i'm looking for a pdf-reader which can memorize the last page of a document i read... obviously evince which i currently use can't do that... any suggestions? |
| 15:44.09 | jhutchins_lt | stephan: Kindle Fire? |
| 15:44.21 | abrotman | jhutchins_lt: really? wtf |
| 15:44.23 | ksx4system | how do I configure Debian to output all possible startup messages to /dev/ttyS0? |
| 15:44.30 | stephan | jhutchins_lt: but thats no software for debian isn't it?! |
| 15:44.31 | abrotman | stephan: supposedly evince has this now .. |
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| 15:44.42 | abrotman | stephan: ignore jhutchins_lt .. he doesn't like helping people |
| 15:44.46 | stephan | abrotman: i'm using evince from sid... and it doesn't |
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| 15:44.58 | jhutchins_lt | stephan: I think calibre can do that, but it's a bit clumsy |
| 15:44.58 | jdolan_ | thanks abrotman , i'm using the CDN now and getting 1MBps. |
| 15:45.08 | abrotman | stephan: i filed a bug on it for exactly that reason .. to set bookmarks .. and it was closed ages ago |
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| 15:45.39 | abrotman | stephan: let me look again |
| 15:45.41 | Iridos | jhutchins_lt, there's a lot of those about, so check with literal <factoid> before you overwrite one to make sure you got the "real" one |
| 15:45.44 | stephan | jhutchins_lt: i'm looking for a desktop reader, a software peace, not hardware... because you suggested a kindle |
| 15:46.14 | babilen | DesertEgl: Do you know how you can paste that? You *really* don't have to type it all by hand! (just making sure you are not wasting your time in case you are not yet within X) |
| 15:46.24 | jhutchins_lt | stephan: calibre is an ebook manager that runs on python. |
| 15:46.31 | abrotman | dpkg: dbugs 342839 |
| 15:46.36 | dpkg | DONE:#342839:W[evince] evince: personal bookmark system (pending fixed-in-experimental fixed-upstream); Sun, 11 Dec 2005 03:48:01 UTC [352111] |
| 15:46.40 | abrotman | stephan: it is marked as fixed .. |
| 15:46.49 | DesertEgl | babilen: i dont know how to use it, but i was not typing it all by hand. i was googling. haha.. |
| 15:46.56 | stephan | abrotman: okay... |
| 15:46.58 | jhutchins_lt | Iridos: Thanks, I'm real careful about messing with the bots. |
| 15:47.08 | stephan | jhutchins_lt: i just knew it as a converter, i'm giving it a try |
| 15:47.22 | DesertEgl | babilen: thats correct im not within x yet. all i've done is update and install xorg. now im editing sources.list |
| 15:47.31 | babilen | DesertEgl: Please install pastebinit (apt-get install pastebinit) and run "lspci -n|pastebinit -n http://paste.debian.net" and give me the URL |
| 15:47.34 | abrotman | stephan: you're sure it doesn't open to the last page? |
| 15:47.50 | stephan | abrotman: definitely |
| 15:47.55 | stephan | abrotman: just tested it again |
| 15:48.05 | stephan | abrotman: and there seems no setting for it |
| 15:48.05 | jhutchins_lt | stephan: Yeah, as a reader it's got a lot of bloat. If you find something better let me know. |
| 15:48.11 | abrotman | stephan: i wonder if they later removed it .. let me check the upstream stuff |
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| 15:48.26 | babilen | DesertEgl: Argh! Make that "lspci -n | pastebinit -b http://paste.debian.net" :( |
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| 15:49.25 | DesertEgl | babilen: http://paste.debian.net/153882/ |
| 15:49.32 | babilen | DesertEgl: Thank you |
| 15:49.48 | abrotman | stephan: i could have sworn it was working .. anyway .. if you say it doesn't .. i have to believe you |
| 15:50.02 | DesertEgl | babilen: thank you as well. |
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| 15:50.10 | abrotman | stephan: i'm not on a GNU box at the moment |
| 15:50.14 | abrotman | (not with a GUI anyway) |
| 15:50.25 | babilen | DesertEgl: Well, I am just using http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ to check if the kernel in stable works for you. |
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| 15:50.33 | stephan | abrotman: maybe i should file a bug for that on the debian bugzilla |
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| 15:50.58 | jhutchins_lt | abrotman: Could we be comparing experimental with stable? |
| 15:51.09 | abrotman | jhutchins_lt: check teh version it says it was fixed in? |
| 15:51.19 | abrotman | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=342839 |
| 15:51.22 | abrotman | judd: versions evince |
| 15:51.24 | judd | Package: evince on i386 -- lenny: 2.22.2-4~lenny1; lenny-proposed-updates: 2.22.2-4~lenny2; lenny-security: 2.22.2-4~lenny2; squeeze: 2.30.3-2; squeeze-proposed-updates: 2.30.3-2+squeeze1; squeeze-security: 2.30.3-2+squeeze1; sid: 3.2.1-1; wheezy: 3.2.1-1 |
| 15:51.44 | abrotman | i guess perhaps it was removed? |
| 15:52.03 | jhutchins_lt | One would think experimental from 2005 would have made it. |
| 15:52.26 | stephan | jhutchins_lt: yeah :P |
| 15:52.27 | endomafrendo | Hi there. I am trying to add myself to the list of sudoers. I added myself using visudo, however a message appears saying "is not allowed to run sudo on fermi" where fermi is the hostname of my machine. any suggestions greatly appreciated |
| 15:52.48 | stephan | endomafrendo: did you log out after yopu edited sudoers-file? |
| 15:52.52 | endomafrendo | i logged in and out again to test it |
| 15:52.57 | stephan | endomafrendo: ok |
| 15:52.58 | endomafrendo | restarted even |
| 15:53.01 | Owner | hey guys |
| 15:53.18 | abrotman | http://mail.gnome.org/archives/evince-list/2009-October/msg00030.html stephan |
| 15:53.22 | jhutchins_lt | endomafrendo: The preferred method is to add yourself to the sudo group. |
| 15:53.24 | Owner | i was trying to run smart stuff on my h ardware scsi drives |
| 15:53.26 | endomafrendo | stephan: is there anything else i should do in terms of adding myself to the root group or something? |
| 15:53.27 | Owner | err hardware raid drives |
| 15:53.33 | Owner | but /proc/scsi/ doesnt exist |
| 15:53.33 | DesertEgl | babilen: in this link you sent me to configure backports it says squeeze, although i'm using wheezy. should i just make it read "deb http://backports.debian.org/debian-backports wheezy-backports main" instead of "deb http://backports.debian.org/debian-backports squeeze-backports main"? |
| 15:53.38 | babilen | DesertEgl: Looks as if you are fine. Once you've added backports to your sources.list you can install the kernel header package (which is needed to compile the nvidia driver) with "apt-get install linux-headers-$(dpkg --print-architecture) linux-image-$(dpkg --print-architecture)" -- To install and compile the nvidia driver itself run "aptitude -r nvidia-kernel-dkms". You should check that the module compiled sucessfully. |
| 15:53.44 | endomafrendo | sec |
| 15:53.47 | stephan | endomafrendo: i cant think of anything else |
| 15:53.49 | babilen | DesertEgl: You are using wheezy?! |
| 15:53.58 | endomafrendo | hmm |
| 15:54.00 | babilen | DesertEgl: didn't you say that you are new to Linux? |
| 15:54.04 | DesertEgl | yes. something to do with my RTL8111E |
| 15:54.16 | DesertEgl | it was the only "version" that allowed me to use my onboard nic |
| 15:54.20 | endomafrendo | stephan: the output of the "groups" command is sudo cdrom floppy audio dip video plugdev netdev bluetooth scanner |
| 15:54.26 | endomafrendo | so I am in the sudo group |
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| 15:55.00 | DesertEgl | all other iso's i tried couldn't use the internet (data connection). |
| 15:55.05 | jhutchins_lt | !sudoers |
| 15:55.05 | dpkg | From squeeze onwards, you can grant yourself (minimally secure) root permissions for <sudo> by adding yourself to the "sudo" group: "adduser your_username sudo". For lenny, you can use <visudo> to add 'your_username ALL=(ALL) ALL'. See the man pages indicated by "apropos sudo" for more information. |
| 15:55.17 | DesertEgl | babilen: im using daily build jan 27 |
| 15:55.25 | babilen | DesertEgl: No, no no. You *really* don't want to run wheezy if you are new to Linux *or* Debian as you will run into problems that you will not be able to solve eventually. I would strongly recommend to run stable and update selected packages via backports. |
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| 15:56.14 | qwd | Isn't the problem DesertEgl has likely related to the removal of proprietary firmware from Squeeze installation disc? |
| 15:56.22 | DesertEgl | i totally would but no matter what distro i try my internet doesn't work out of the box. |
| 15:56.24 | babilen | DesertEgl: Hardware support is handled by the kernel and you can install a newer kernel from backports as well. We also provide a stable installer with a newer kernel. (/msg dpkg kmuto) |
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| 15:57.19 | stephan | whats the best way to install kde on a debian system? just 'aptitude install kde'? |
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| 15:58.08 | babilen | DesertEgl: That NIC *should* work without problems on squeeze, but realtek's are a bit problematic once in a while. |
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| 15:59.05 | DesertEgl | it did not. i tried. loaded up modules 8169 instead of 8168. i dont really know the technicalities but it just wouldn't. some have reported ways to fix issue on some forums but i had no luck. |
| 15:59.21 | babilen | DesertEgl: What was the actual problem with it? Could you also try the kmuto installer? I mean, you can also continue to use wheezy, but you have to realise that you will have to invest a lot of time into learning how Debian and its packaging system works. |
| 16:00.13 | Owner | i was trying to run smart stuff on my h ardware scsi raid drives but i dont have /proc/scsi any other way? |
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| 16:00.31 | babilen | DesertEgl: All that being said: If you run wheezy, you don't need backports or anything like that. (backports are packages from testing recompiled for stable) |
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| 16:01.28 | BernardV | I have a question about NFS. I run some VM's on a KVM host and export one of the host drives with NFS. On my laptop I get Gbps speeds when I copy to and from the export. In a VM the max speed is capped at 100Mbps. But the thing is that when I scp a file from a VM to the Host it reaches the max diskspeed of about 90MB/s so it's not the networkdriver I think. I used the e1000 instead of the virtio driver, both give the same results by the way. Does anyon |
| 16:01.56 | DesertEgl | babilen: okay i'm willing to learn as much as i can. i left my sources.list untouched. now it's time to install nvidia drivers or lxde i believe. |
| 16:02.08 | babilen | DesertEgl: You can install nvidia easily by running "aptitude -r install linux-headers-$(uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,') nvidia-kernel-dkms. Configure it with: mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf". Run "update-initramfs -u" and restart your system to enable the <nouveau> blacklist. |
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| 16:03.24 | babilen | DesertEgl: Please also note that we have a channel specifically for testing/unstable on irc.oftc.net (aka irc.debian.org) named #debian-next -- I would strongly recommend to read the Debian reference (/msg dpkg reference) :) |
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| 16:04.27 | babilen | DesertEgl: I also found the sample chapter at http://www.ulule.com/debian-handbook/news/publication-d-chapitre-exemple-2893/ to be a good read. (I expect the complete book to be great) |
| 16:05.54 | endomafrendo | stephan: the problem was a typo in the sudoers. instead of ALL i had ALl, a lower case L at the end. |
| 16:06.48 | endomafrendo | so there are two type of messages: "is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported." if tyhe user is not there, or "is not allowed to run sudo on fermi. This incident will be reported." if there is a typo and the permissions are not read correctly. |
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| 16:07.02 | endomafrendo | now it works |
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| 16:11.21 | DesertEgl | babilen: "aptitude -r install linux-headers-$(uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,') nvidia-kernel-dkms" returns "-bash: syntax error near unexpectec token 'nvidia-kernel-dkms" |
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| 16:11.46 | babilen | DesertEgl: Which architecture are you on? |
| 16:11.51 | DesertEgl | amd64 |
| 16:12.18 | babilen | DesertEgl: Make it aptitude -r install linux-headers-amd64 nvidia-kernel-dkms |
| 16:12.20 | DesertEgl | are those single quotation marks " ' " or backtics "`" ? |
| 16:12.26 | DesertEgl | ok |
| 16:12.34 | babilen | DesertEgl: I am too lazy to figure out why that line-noise is not working :) |
| 16:13.09 | babilen | DesertEgl: Oh, the quotation marks (at the beginning and end) are *not* part of the command. I use them here in IRC to denote the beginning and end of a command |
| 16:13.35 | babilen | DesertEgl: And it is single quotation marks |
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| 16:13.48 | DesertEgl | babilen: hehe.. those i understand, but what about the ones inside. okay single quotation marks. |
| 16:14.22 | endomafrendo | I have an old hard drive with a debian squeeze 6.03 64 bit with an encrypted LVM on it (two partitions: /boot unencrypted and the root partition encrypted). Since this was a system disk, it asked for a password on boot and I never bothered to mount the drive manually. now i have to in order to get my data. Any suggestions or ideas? Thank You in advance |
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| 16:19.02 | BernardV | endomafrendo: It's been a while since I used it, but I think you'll need the cryptsetup package |
| 16:19.07 | Posterdati | hi |
| 16:19.25 | Posterdati | please I need help to install a nv44a with kernel 3.1 thanks |
| 16:20.24 | BernardV | endomafrendo: And then something like: "cryptsetup luksOpen /dev/sdxX mydisk" |
| 16:21.00 | babilen | endomafrendo: It's probably easiest to use something like pmount, but you can also do it manually as suggested by BernardV (automounter from gnome et al. should work too) |
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| 16:21.44 | Guest63792 | ciao |
| 16:21.44 | Guest63792 | !list |
| 16:21.44 | dpkg | guest63792: È possibile di scaricare un sacco di software libero puntando il tuo browser a http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-6.0.3-amd64-i386-netinst.iso ! |
| 16:21.46 | endomafrendo | BernardV, babilen: thanks, I will try it in a sec, have to make a 10 min pause however, I'll keep you posted |
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| 16:23.43 | babilen | endomafrendo: BernardV's command will give you /dev/mapper/mydisk which you can mount "normally" :) |
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| 16:24.12 | BernardV | thnx babilen .. forgot to mention that :) |
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| 16:25.00 | babilen | BernardV: Collective intelligence ftw! |
| 16:25.06 | BernardV | _O_ |
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| 16:27.41 | endomafrendo | babilen: excellent |
| 16:28.01 | endomafrendo | babilen: will it interfere with the fact that there was a LVM thing going on? |
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| 16:29.01 | endomafrendo | brb |
| 16:30.53 | DesertEgl | babilen: "mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf" returns with "/etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf: no such file or dir" |
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| 16:34.03 | babilen | DesertEgl: You are doing something wrong (I guess that you are quoting wrong) -- That *should* work if run as root. What it does is to create the /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ directory and create a file called 20-nvidia.conf in there with the following content: http://paste.debian.net/153887/ - so use an editor and have fun. |
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| 16:34.27 | DesertEgl | 10-4 |
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| 16:35.58 | oliver117 | Hi, somebody from the ia32-libs team here? please include a recent mesa (7.11+) in the next release, thanks |
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| 16:42.52 | rocketmagnet | hi all |
| 16:43.38 | rocketmagnet | i've a very simple question: how can i send a simple .txt file to the printer from the console ? |
| 16:44.17 | Posterdati | hi |
| 16:44.36 | Posterdati | shall I use linux-image-3.1 486 or 686 pae for AMD K7? thanks |
| 16:44.42 | themill | rocketmagnet: lpr |
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| 16:48.24 | BernardV | Posterdati: 686 I think... |
| 16:48.52 | Posterdati | BernardV: 'cause my nv44a didn't work with that kernel |
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| 16:49.21 | BernardV | And it works with 468? |
| 16:49.29 | Posterdati | don't know |
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| 16:50.44 | BernardV | Posterdati: Well I don't think changing from 686 to a 468 kernel will make the nv44a work. It's most likely a driver issue or some missing packages |
| 16:51.16 | BernardV | But I can't really help you with graphics drivers.. I mostly use my debianbozes headless |
| 16:51.24 | Posterdati | ok |
| 16:51.28 | BernardV | s/z/x/ |
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| 16:54.04 | Posterdati | BernardV: it's recompiling the modules for 486, let's see |
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| 16:54.51 | Posterdati | same crap |
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| 16:58.42 | bolt | the different selections on a sources.list line.. do they have a name? like, if you have to add "contrib" to get something, you added a... |
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| 16:59.47 | endomafrendo | babilen, I tried the command and it encrypts the drive to /dev/mapper/oldwd (I called it oldwd) |
| 17:00.21 | endomafrendo | babilen: however it is a LVM so when I try to mount it, it says: "mount: unknown filesystem type 'LVM2_member'" |
| 17:00.26 | endomafrendo | any ideas? |
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| 17:01.51 | tremon | endomafrendo: you can't mount an lvm partition directly, you need to start lvm and mount the volume. See vgchange -ay, lvdisplay and /dev/mapper/ |
| 17:02.25 | guardian | i generated a self signed ssl for my nginx setup. should i put the files somewhere in /etc/ssl? or rather keep them in /etc/nginx? |
| 17:02.31 | guardian | +certificate |
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| 17:03.59 | endomafrendo | tremon: thanks a lot, i see the data now. Many many thanks! |
| 17:04.22 | tremon | guardian: you should have two files, the certificate and the key file. Key file should go in /etc/nginx, certificate should go in /usr/local/share/ca-certificates if you want the system (not just nginx) to recognize it |
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| 17:04.50 | guardian | tremon: what does it bring to have the system recognize it? |
| 17:05.02 | rocketmagnet | hi all, i've a problem - when i plun in an external mouse i have the problem that touch the touchpad while typing :( - i can't find the option to turn of the touchpad while typing |
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| 17:06.32 | tremon | guardian: you might want clients on the same box to accept the nginx certificate without complaining that they can't verify the certificate... though you can also place your CA certificate in the store for that |
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| 17:08.26 | guardian | tremon: ok thx |
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| 17:08.52 | somiaj | rocketmagnet: might depend on your laptop. I have a hardware button that turns my touchpad on/off -- don't know of a software way for this though. |
| 17:09.38 | erikandre | Trying to get a epson stylus photo p50 printer to work on my gateway. installed cups and installed the offical drivers for linux from epson. |
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| 17:09.53 | erikandre | It still gives "Print to file" option and only print to file. What is missing. |
| 17:10.03 | guardian | tremon: and then what is /etc/ssl for? |
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| 17:11.32 | somiaj | erikandre: did you log into the webpage server for cups and add your new printer? |
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| 17:16.24 | csotelo | hi peole... just aquestion OT, thanks |
| 17:16.47 | csotelo | hello people.. I am trying to write an htaccess fiel like http://bin.cakephp.org/view/248464265 where I need to the result not show content... is it possible? thanks |
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| 17:19.06 | somiaj | cantido: might try #apache for that quesiton (just a suggestion as I dont want to look up the answer) (: |
| 17:19.24 | themill | (#httpd) |
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| 17:19.52 | tremon | guardian: /etc/ssl/certs is a managed location. It's supposed to be populated by update-ca-certificates, which is why you shouldn't place files there yourself. /etc/ssl is the configuration for the openssl library |
| 17:21.00 | csotelo | somiaj, themill ues.... I am there.. but it appears not answers |
| 17:21.07 | csotelo | that is why I am doing a OT |
| 17:21.42 | somiaj | csotelo: yea just a suggestion, maybe someone here will look at it. (: |
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| 17:23.06 | csotelo | somiaj, yes.. thanks |
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| 17:24.10 | Tayne | Why is xxxterm listed in the testing repos if I can't find it in synaptic? Anyone use it on testing or stable? |
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| 17:35.19 | *** topic/#debian by themill -> squeeze (6.0.4) released; /msg dpkg squeeze | lenny EOL 2012-02-06 /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze ; /msg dpkg 5.0.9 | NO FLOOD: /msg dpkg pastebin | /msg bots NOT people | offtopic: #debian-offtopic | wheezy/sid: #debian-next (irc.oftc.net) | FAQ: http://deb.li/IRCFAQ | channel logs: http://deb.li/yQXC |
| 17:35.32 | somiaj | Tayne: might want to check packages.debian.org |
| 17:35.42 | themill | topicdiff: 6.0.4 released; lenny EOL upcoming. |
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| 17:35.54 | Tayne | somiaj: http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/xxxterm |
| 17:36.16 | somiaj | Tayne: http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=xxxterm -- seems it isn't in stable, you can check the QA page for more info on the packages history |
| 17:36.27 | somiaj | Tayne: but /msg dpkg ssbp (if you want to make a backport of it for your stable systme) |
| 17:37.28 | somiaj | Tayne: http://packages.qa.debian.org/x/xxxterm.html (as you can see that package first hit the debian repos recentally and was not around when squeeze froze so there wont' be a package for it there) |
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| 17:38.08 | Tayne | somiaj: I can't find it in the Wheezy repos when I add them to my sources.list though |
| 17:38.16 | Tayne | somiaj: Even all of the dependencies are there |
| 17:38.40 | somiaj | don't mix wheezy and stable, it is just bad bad juju |
| 17:39.08 | somiaj | make backports, as in compile wheezy packages against stable libs (sure there are rare occurancs where you don't need this, but its good pratice to do it the correct way) |
| 17:39.33 | Tayne | Alright, thanks much :) |
| 17:40.00 | somiaj | Tayne: again /msg dpkg ssbp (for a package lke that complining a backport should be fairly straght forward) |
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| 17:41.35 | nand` | What's the easiest way to unextract an archive from the command line? Is there some sort of general-purpose “extract” command which will work on every common archive type (.7z, .tar.gz, tar.bz2 and .rar or .zip depending on license)? |
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| 17:41.54 | nand` | I don't want to remember 10 different commands for each filetype. I tried to remember the parameters of the tar command a few times but I always forget them |
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| 17:43.31 | tremon | nand`: file-roller --extract? |
| 17:43.32 | somiaj | nand`: not that I've seen. Tar does a lot of the most common ones and rarely do you see opensource stuff that requires anything except tar (with the zip options) |
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| 17:43.39 | dvs | nand`: huh? There's a different letter for each archive |
| 17:44.27 | somiaj | hmm, seems as if file-roller does the job |
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| 17:44.44 | tremon | you'd need --extract-here though, I guess |
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| 17:45.03 | nand` | tremon: I'll look into it, thanks |
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| 17:47.49 | Iridos | nand`, "unp" |
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| 17:48.27 | nand` | Iridos: neat, thanks |
| 17:48.32 | Iridos | it's only a frontend to the unpackers, so it can only unpack archives you have the unpacker installed for |
| 17:48.35 | nand` | yeah |
| 17:48.39 | nand` | that's exactly what I was looking for |
| 17:48.46 | nand` | a front-end to take care of the messy backends for me |
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| 17:53.54 | innociv | http://pastebin.com/Xzk7TX39 (sshd_config) How do I have an application, such as php, chrooted to that directory when it runs as that user as well? Like to me, php should see the path as /chroot/file.php not /path/to/chroot/file.php unless I'm mistaken. |
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| 18:01.55 | endomafrendo | s there any obvious reason, why esata harddrives wouldn't be recognized by a new installation of |
| 18:01.56 | endomafrendo | + |
| 18:02.19 | endomafrendo | + |
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| 18:04.14 | jhutchins | What's the command the reconfigures alternates? |
| 18:04.27 | jhutchins | ... and does anybody know if it affects java? |
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| 18:06.40 | somiaj | jhutchins: update-alternatives |
| 18:06.44 | somiaj | and yes I belive so |
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| 18:07.06 | somiaj | jhutchins: java java.1.gz java_vm javaws javaws.1.gz -- list of hte java alternative linkson my system |
| 18:08.06 | innociv | http://pastebin.com/Xzk7TX39 (sshd_config) How do I have an application, such as php, chrooted to that directory when it runs as that user as well? Like to me, php should see the path as /chroot/file.php not /path/to/chroot/file.php unless I'm mistaken. |
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| 18:09.00 | somiaj | innociv: you have to chroot the whole user. But inside that chroot you will need copies of any binaries/libaries that user is expected to run |
| 18:09.25 | innociv | How do I chroot the whole user, if I'm not doing that currently? |
| 18:09.42 | somiaj | forget the config option in sshd to chroot a user |
| 18:09.47 | innociv | And I have copies of the libraries that php needs, and bash |
| 18:09.49 | innociv | Oh |
| 18:09.53 | somiaj | you also know that chroots are easy to break out of? |
| 18:10.06 | innociv | They are? |
| 18:10.29 | somiaj | yea if someone knows what they are doing takes a very simple C program to break out of a chroot |
| 18:10.52 | innociv | What is the point, then? :\ |
| 18:11.08 | nand` | I have a non-free binary blob that's inside its own folder (together with configuration etc). What's the appropriate /bin folder to place this into? I never did understand how the dozens of different bin folders work |
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| 18:11.41 | somiaj | innociv: well the user has to first gain root privlages to do that. But the more tools you give them the more vunabilities they could try to exploit |
| 18:11.59 | zykotick9 | nand`: i'd consider /opt if it was me. |
| 18:12.01 | somiaj | innociv: so they do provide some protection, but figured I'd let you know...read this http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/tag/sshd-chroot |
| 18:12.06 | innociv | Oh. I don't see how they'd get root. |
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| 18:12.15 | somiaj | innociv: sorry I ment http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chroot |
| 18:12.26 | innociv | Anyway how do i "chroot the whole user" rather than just the sshd? |
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| 18:12.36 | somiaj | innociv: yea sorry I forgot they had to have root privlages to break the chroot, I just know once they do it is easy to get out. |
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| 18:12.45 | somiaj | innociv: that first link I sent was a howto, read it |
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| 18:13.23 | innociv | The last one? http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/howto-linux-unix-rssh-chroot-jail-setup.html Because I already did the openSSH way. |
| 18:13.30 | guardian | tremon: thank you for your help |
| 18:13.30 | endomafrendo | Sorry for the empty posts a couple of minutes ago, had to fight my kid off the keyboard... So back to my question: is there any obvious reason, why esata harddrives wouldn't be recognized by a new installation of Debian Squeeze 6.03? I have an internal esata controler and also an external one. When i plug a hard drive to any of them both it gets recognized by the bios and windows byt not by debian. Am I mi |
| 18:13.30 | endomafrendo | ssing some kernel module? |
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| 18:15.01 | innociv | I'm still confused. There seems to be a difference between chrooting someones shell, and actually chrooting the user, and I can't find how to do the later. |
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| 18:15.33 | somiaj | innociv: seems there is a 'ChrootDirectory' option and you can use 'ChrootDirectory %h' if you want to put them in their home directory, or use a full path |
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| 18:15.58 | innociv | That's what is in my sshd config, but back to what I said at the start, php sees the full path. |
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| 18:16.34 | jhutchins | somiaj: So is there some master command to switch from open java to sun java? |
| 18:17.09 | somiaj | jhutchins: not that I know of, I never installed openjdk have always just used sun's java |
| 18:17.22 | somiaj | jhutchins: but update-alternatives --config java (or something like that) |
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| 18:18.27 | somiaj | innociv: how did you configure/copy the php binaries into the chroot |
| 18:18.36 | jhutchins | somiaj: For some reason that doesn't list sun. |
| 18:18.50 | innociv | I did ldd on the php5-cgi and copied what it listed to the chroot |
| 18:19.16 | innociv | As well as php5-cgi itself |
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| 18:19.51 | innociv | And regardless oh php configuration, how would it be seeing outside the chroot without root? It's been run as the user. |
| 18:20.12 | zykotick9 | jhutchins: seeing as sun-java is now an external package, i'm not surprised alternatives doesn't know about it. good luck. |
| 18:20.17 | somiaj | innociv: yea I'm a bit confused to, but this is beyond anything I have ever messed with beyond just theory |
| 18:20.26 | somiaj | jhutchins: how did you install sun-java |
| 18:20.34 | jhutchins | Ah, update-java-alternatives --set java-6-sun |
| 18:20.43 | jhutchins | somiaj: debian packages. |
| 18:20.45 | innociv | ugh :( I've been trying to find an answer for two days on irc. What place should I post it at? |
| 18:20.55 | jhutchins | README.Debian/README.alternatives |
| 18:21.00 | somiaj | jhutchins: you can add more alternatives to the list, I'm surprised that the sun's java didn't appear in the --config list by default. |
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| 18:23.30 | innociv | I mean it's not the hugest deal, because the php still can't run scripts that belog to another user, but it still LOOKS bad. It's also inconvenient that I have to put the full path in the wrapper. |
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| 18:24.11 | somiaj | yea I don't see why php is seeing outside the chroot, does this only work with ssh or if you chroot as say another user |
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| 18:28.05 | innociv | somiaj, well if I try to log in via ssh it closes it right after accepting the password |
| 18:28.05 | Iridos | innociv, I feel your thinking is just a bit fuzzy. You cannot "chroot a user", just processes |
| 18:28.11 | innociv | Can only log in as sftp |
| 18:28.24 | innociv | Er well how do I chroot all processes running as the user? |
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| 18:29.27 | Iridos | I never looked a lot at php, but as far as I'm aware php runs inside the webserver and isn't a separate process |
| 18:29.28 | LinuxApprentice | if i have a program installed but have downloaded the source because i want to install a newer version and it's not in the repos should I remove the program i have already installed first? because it's an older version? |
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| 18:29.38 | innociv | I'm using php5-cgi. |
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| 18:30.12 | innociv | It is running as the user that owns everything inside the chroot. |
| 18:30.18 | spectie | hi, which version of debian does gnome work in? |
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| 18:30.24 | spectie | should i use testing ? |
| 18:32.04 | linduxed | hey guys, i'm trying to figure out what a command is called, it was a long time since i used it |
| 18:32.06 | somiaj | spectie: if you have to ask that the answer is NO |
| 18:32.17 | linduxed | it basically takes everything that's in the terminal |
| 18:32.20 | linduxed | visible atm |
| 18:32.22 | somiaj | spectie: testing should not be used by people who don't know how debian works and want a system that isn't borken |
| 18:32.32 | linduxed | and lets you redirect it to a file |
| 18:32.34 | somiaj | spectie: use squeeze and be happy with gnome 2. |
| 18:33.01 | somiaj | linduxed: what is visiable, can you get that output again? |
| 18:33.01 | innociv | Where should I ask this at? I'm having a lot of trouble figuring it out. |
| 18:33.29 | spectie | Some_Person, |
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| 18:33.31 | spectie | ok, i'll do that |
| 18:33.39 | spectie | i'm really happy with gnome2 |
| 18:33.40 | somiaj | linduxed: I can't think of a way to put the buffer into a file, but if you want to redirect the output of a command into a file use, >. for example 'dmesg > dmesg.txt' will put the output of the dmesg command intot he file dmesg.txt |
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| 18:33.53 | somiaj | linduxed: sure there is a way to put the buffer into a file, but not something I know. |
| 18:33.55 | linduxed | somiaj: yeah i know that one |
| 18:33.56 | Some_Person | spectie: ? |
| 18:34.03 | spectie | somiaj, |
| 18:34.11 | spectie | should i be able to just edit my sources.list |
| 18:34.14 | spectie | and apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 18:34.16 | linduxed | Some_Person: but i'm pretty sure i once used a command that basically worked like the TTY version of a screenshot |
| 18:34.23 | spectie | to get bac to gnome2 ? |
| 18:34.26 | Some_Person | linduxed: ? |
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| 18:34.34 | somiaj | spectie: what version of debian are you running? |
| 18:34.39 | spectie | it was "testing" |
| 18:34.43 | linduxed | Some_Person: sorry, wrong person |
| 18:35.00 | linduxed | somiaj: but i'm pretty sure i once used a command that basically worked like the TTY version of a screenshot |
| 18:35.04 | Whisky | Trying to make my webcam drivers. And it gives this error: make[1]: *** [all] Error 2 |
| 18:35.08 | spectie | gconf-schemas |
| 18:35.12 | spectie | somehow this got uninstalled |
| 18:35.30 | somiaj | linduxed: oh yea I'm sure the buffer is stored somewhere, but I don't know off the top of my head. This is a console (or a terminal emulator in X)? |
| 18:35.48 | somiaj | spectie: you cannot downgrade in debian, and upgrading to testing can cause lots of issues |
| 18:36.01 | zykotick9 | spectie: I don't think you can downgrade from gnome3 to gnome2 (the scripts are set up in that direction), install stable if you want gnome2 that bad |
| 18:36.06 | somiaj | spectie: if you want stable (which I suggest you use unless you know debian well enough to manage broken things) you'll have to reinstall |
| 18:36.16 | Iridos | innociv, by configuring everything that can run processes as that user to chroot the process before starting the process. |
| 18:36.24 | spectie | really ? |
| 18:36.26 | zykotick9 | s/are set up/aren't setup/ |
| 18:36.32 | innociv | Er, say again? |
| 18:36.40 | innociv | Oh. |
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| 18:36.52 | linduxed | somiaj: i remember it being a console command |
| 18:36.55 | somiaj | spectie: upgrade is a one way process and is only designed to go one way |
| 18:37.19 | spectie | and i can't uninstall gnome |
| 18:37.21 | spectie | from testing |
| 18:37.24 | spectie | and then install gnome from stable ? |
| 18:37.50 | spectie | also which package is gconf-schemas in ? |
| 18:37.52 | innociv | That still doesn't make sense to me. It's running as the user. Even if it starts as root, then changes to the user, it should see itself in the chroot, no? :/ |
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| 18:38.13 | somiaj | spectie: do not mix versions. reinstall stable and learn debian first. Upgrading to testing in the first place was a bad idea. |
| 18:38.24 | spectie | i didn't upgrade to testing |
| 18:38.29 | spectie | i used testing from the beginning |
| 18:38.46 | spectie | this install has been going three years |
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| 18:39.42 | spectie | the typical thing is that debian doesn't break |
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| 18:40.03 | spectie | that's my experience in 13 years as a debian user |
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| 18:41.29 | Some_Person | testing can break thou |
| 18:41.40 | Some_Person | correction: stable doesn't break, testing can |
| 18:41.44 | Iridos | innociv, I think there's one way described here, did you look at that? http://www.seaoffire.net/fcgi-faq.html |
| 18:42.07 | Iridos | did you ever look at that? |
| 18:42.09 | innociv | Yes. These things are dated before the time of the ChrootDirectory option in opensSH though |
| 18:42.11 | spectie | Some_Person, sure |
| 18:42.21 | innociv | I'm using apache+suexec+fastcgi as described there |
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| 18:43.04 | somiaj | linduxed: is this a termin or actual console |
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| 18:43.26 | somiaj | linduxed: looks like you can cat /dev/vcs? where ? is the console you want the buffer from, then reidrect that to a file |
| 18:43.39 | np_complete | hi there, I am having the lovely no-headphones-audio problem in wheezy.. I surffed a lot but can't find any solution, any idea here? |
| 18:43.47 | innociv | I didn't chroot as described there, but pretty much the rest is the same |
| 18:44.10 | innociv | In fact, as far as I see, that page doesn't even describe the chrooting processes and assumes it's done? |
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| 18:45.19 | somiaj | np_complete: what do you mean? |
| 18:45.40 | np_complete | I plug my headphones but got no sound through them |
| 18:45.42 | somiaj | np_complete: does your sound card work fine, but when you plug your head phones in (Say a laptop) you don't get any audio? |
| 18:45.54 | somiaj | np_complete: are you using the intel hda sound card on a laptop? |
| 18:46.01 | np_complete | yes, right that |
| 18:46.13 | np_complete | yes! intel damn crap! yes! |
| 18:46.19 | innociv | So, color me confused still. |
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| 18:47.50 | np_complete | I want to listen the lovely "Fuzzface vol. 10"... and I have to do it using damn loudspeakers! |
| 18:47.52 | somiaj | np_complete: look up your laptop model in google, there is an option you can set to tell which laptop model your sda card |
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| 18:48.41 | np_complete | somiaj... I got no idea, my laptop is like made up using different components |
| 18:48.43 | somiaj | np_complete: I have a 'options snd-hda-intel model=thinkpad' in my /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf to get my headphones to work on this laptop |
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| 18:49.05 | somiaj | np_complete: look up the list of models for that and pick the one for your card (note I have a toshiba sataliate but the thinkpad module is what worked for my sound card) |
| 18:49.14 | np_complete | somiaj, actually I had to do something like that few years back in squeeze, but I don't remember, what model did I have to set... |
| 18:49.28 | np_complete | oh... KULL of ValusiA! |
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| 18:49.33 | somiaj | there is a list out there of tons of different model options for that (since that sound card is so varaited) |
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| 18:49.59 | np_complete | 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 03) |
| 18:50.33 | somiaj | yea, it may be trial and error, I found that on google when I search for my laptop model |
| 18:51.00 | np_complete | how can I tell my laptop model? |
| 18:51.00 | np_complete | motherboard model maybe? |
| 18:51.16 | np_complete | my laptop has no brand! I made it like 4 years ago. |
| 18:51.27 | np_complete | the motherboard is a japanese Arita or something. |
| 18:51.30 | somiaj | np_complete: zless /usr/share/doc/alsa-base/driver/HD-Audio-Models.txt.gz |
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| 18:51.43 | linduxed | np_complete: lshw might give you something |
| 18:51.50 | somiaj | might be trial an error, as I said I use thinkpad despite I have a toshiba satalite. |
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| 18:52.13 | hyppias | installing deb 6 from DVD to USB stick takes many many hours. Normal? |
| 18:52.15 | linduxed | np_complete: the classic way though is to disassemble and google any serial number you can find inside ;-) |
| 18:52.49 | somiaj | hyppias: depends on what you are installing. If you are installing the whole dvd complete desktop system it could take a while. |
| 18:53.01 | hyppias | not X.... |
| 18:53.04 | somiaj | hyppias: what part is taking a long time (But in general a base install shouldn't take more than a few hours) |
| 18:53.15 | somiaj | hyppias: why are you wanting to install debian on a usb stick? Are you wanting a live image? |
| 18:53.27 | np_complete | well, a long list of hardware |
| 18:53.47 | np_complete | what I know is that I am gonna using deian until the very day I stop using computers. |
| 18:53.48 | somiaj | np_complete: goto the snd_intel_hda section that is more than just that one module list |
| 18:54.03 | hyppias | been at it 6 or 7 hrs already |
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| 18:54.18 | somiaj | hyppias: yea it shouldn't take more than an hour. Why do you want to install from a dvd to a usb stick? |
| 18:54.29 | LinuxApprentice | what's the pkg name of the debian devel pkg? |
| 18:54.53 | hyppias | want to keep system off my data HD. boot from USB, then forget the USB. |
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| 18:55.33 | np_complete | wau I love lshw!!!!! could guess my laptop type! |
| 18:55.36 | somiaj | LinuxApprentice: there are many packages related to that. What are you wanting |
| 18:55.54 | somiaj | hyppias: so you want a live system with some presistance? |
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| 18:56.02 | LinuxApprentice | somiaj: i am trying to './waf configure' the newest midori 0.4.3 |
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| 18:56.15 | LinuxApprentice | somiaj: it's complaining about not finding x11 |
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| 18:56.35 | somiaj | LinuxApprentice: this isn't debian developemtn packages (those are things to make debian packages from source) |
| 18:56.41 | hyppias | somiaj... yeah... sort of. Trying a NAS server with only data on HD. and maybe /log and /var or so |
| 18:56.43 | somiaj | LinuxApprentice: you just want the -dev libares |
| 18:56.54 | Iridos | LinuxApprentice, there's a package with common stuff collected in build-essential |
| 18:57.14 | somiaj | hyppias: well live.debian.net (a live system may be what you awnt) |
| 18:57.19 | Iridos | LinuxApprentice, to resolve all the specific dependencies is the job of the packager/compiler, in this case YOU |
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| 18:57.34 | Iridos | judd, versions midori |
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| 18:57.35 | judd | Package: midori on i386 -- squeeze: 0.2.4-3; sid: 0.4.3-1; wheezy: 0.4.3-1 |
| 18:57.37 | somiaj | hyppias: but I'm unsure why you are having trouble installing on a usb drive, where did the slowdown occur at. i.e. what step are you wating on |
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| 18:57.58 | hyppias | got a small mini-itx box, no DVD in it, just USB's and a 1TB disk. |
| 18:58.05 | LinuxApprentice | judd: i want to install newest version, trying to compile from source and install it |
| 18:58.06 | judd | No package named 'want' was found in squeeze/i386. |
| 18:58.17 | Iridos | LinuxApprentice, there's 0.4.3 in testing. Take that and follow the instructions you get with /msg dpkg ssb |
| 18:58.25 | np_complete | ok I know it's an Arima laptop, now what? that's not listed in the audio devices list, somiaj |
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| 18:58.31 | hyppias | somiaj: it's slow everywhere. it's an Atom system with 2GB ram |
| 18:58.49 | LinuxApprentice | Iridos: how do i install a pkg from testing? add testing to the sources ? |
| 18:58.55 | themill | dpkg, pal judd |
| 18:58.55 | dpkg | points at judd and laughs |
| 18:59.00 | somiaj | LinuxApprentice: for X11 libs, you want libx11-dev (not sure if you need any other dev libs though) |
| 18:59.14 | Iridos | LinuxApprentice, read my last sentence to the end? |
| 18:59.22 | somiaj | np_complete: again as I said my guess is one of those models works, but you may just have to try a few |
| 18:59.26 | zdw | Is there a way to build just a subset of binary packages created by a source package? |
| 18:59.33 | somiaj | LinuxApprentice: do NOT install a testing package on a stable system |
| 18:59.46 | LinuxApprentice | somiaj: ok |
| 18:59.59 | zdw | I'm trying to build something without the extensions for tcl/python/etc which I don't need. |
| 19:00.00 | LinuxApprentice | somiaj: is it ok to install a pkg compiled from source on a stable system? |
| 19:00.00 | somiaj | LinuxApprentice: but Iridos showed you a way to make a backport (look at that factoid he sent you to) |
| 19:00.10 | Iridos | *sigh* |
| 19:00.13 | Iridos | dpkg, ssb |
| 19:00.14 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
| 19:00.15 | somiaj | LinuxApprentice: yes, if you compile the package against a stable system it is just fine. (: |
| 19:00.22 | Iridos | LinuxApprentice, ^^^ those |
| 19:00.26 | LinuxApprentice | k |
| 19:00.41 | LinuxApprentice | i'd rather compile it from source and install it, need to learn how to do it anyway |
| 19:01.05 | somiaj | zdw: probabaly if you modify the debian/ build options, but any reason why building the whole set of binaries and only installing the ones you want won't work? |
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| 19:01.19 | zdw | something = current version of bitlbee, which is in sid, but I've only got a VPS with squeeze on it. |
| 19:01.47 | zdw | There's something broken in the python extension which doesn't build cleanly. |
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| 19:02.46 | somiaj | you may have to modify the different build options in the debian/ dir then. |
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| 19:03.26 | LinuxApprentice | somiaj: i install libx11-dev and now it's complaining about gtk2.0 lol |
| 19:03.41 | LinuxApprentice | libgtk2.0-dev ? |
| 19:03.56 | somiaj | correct |
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| 19:04.13 | zdw | somiaj: I'm fairly new to debian packaging - there doesn't appear to be a build file in debian/ in the source distro |
| 19:04.14 | somiaj | use apt-cache search to search for the libs. Though follow the backport instructions Iridos pointed you to |
| 19:04.21 | somiaj | LinuxApprentice: it will be much easier. |
| 19:04.32 | themill | dpkg: tell zdw about debian/rules |
| 19:04.54 | LinuxApprentice | somiaj: u need to change u nick to 'PKG_Beastie' ! :P |
| 19:05.25 | somiaj | zdw: I used 'build' to basically mean the various files in that directory as I do not know which ones you have to modify |
| 19:05.38 | somiaj | the rules is the main script, but the control and other ones are important too. |
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| 19:07.23 | LinuxApprentice | should i even be trying to compile a pkg like midori on a system with a pentium 3 and 256MB of ram? would it take a week, lol ? |
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| 19:09.34 | somiaj | LinuxApprentice: when I started linux in stampeeded, I use to compile the whole of xfree86, gnome, a kernel and various other things in parallell on a pentium 1 128megs of ram. Sure it took all day, but it worked. (: |
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| 19:10.49 | LinuxApprentice | lol |
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| 19:12.49 | rocketmagnet | hi all |
| 19:13.21 | rocketmagnet | i've installed debian squeeze, can i install the latest kernel (3.2.2) ? |
| 19:14.07 | LinuxApprentice | somiaj: ^ ? |
| 19:14.09 | LinuxApprentice | lol |
| 19:14.28 | Iridos | LinuxApprentice, I tried to compile midori2 for lenny back then... but gave up because there were just too many libs needed that were not in lenny... at some point you'd just need to compile so much, you could as well switch to testing (or do without) |
| 19:14.28 | LinuxApprentice | rocketmagnet: somiaj helped me do the same thing last night, he is your guy |
| 19:14.49 | LinuxApprentice | Iridos: './waf configure' was successful |
| 19:15.08 | Iridos | LinuxApprentice, actually... if you did it only last night, now you could help him, no? |
| 19:15.11 | Iridos | :) |
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| 19:15.23 | rocketmagnet | somiaj: hi, i've installed debian squeeze - how can i install the latest kernel (3.2.2) ? |
| 19:15.48 | Iridos | judd, kernels |
| 19:15.49 | judd | Available kernel versions are: sid: 3.2.0-1-686-pae (3.2.1-2); wheezy: 3.1.0-1-686-pae (3.1.8-2); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.1-686-pae (3.2.1-2~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-41); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-35~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-27) |
| 19:15.51 | LinuxApprentice | Iridos: lol |
| 19:16.03 | LinuxApprentice | rocketmagnet: are you running stable ? |
| 19:16.06 | somiaj | rocketmagnet: backports.debian.org |
| 19:16.12 | Iridos | dpkg, tell rocketmagnet about backports |
| 19:16.20 | somiaj | rocketmagnet: just install the 3.2 one from backports (it is probabaly only 3.2.0 but it will work with out having to compile your own) |
| 19:16.39 | somiaj | LinuxApprentice: debian squeeze is stable, (: |
| 19:16.44 | Iridos | rocketmagnet, there's 3.2.0-0.bpo.1-686-pae in squeeze-backports. read the pm from dpkg and use that |
| 19:16.57 | LinuxApprentice | rocketmagnet: ^ same kernel i installed last night |
| 19:17.06 | LinuxApprentice | ...so my wireless usb adapter would work |
| 19:17.22 | rocketmagnet | somiaj: i want to compile my own, but i've not yet done this so i've no clue how to do this, i've no idea what to do |
| 19:17.47 | somiaj | rocketmagnet: have you ever compiled a linux kernel before? |
| 19:18.15 | rocketmagnet | i also want to install the nvdia non-free driver so i've 3d support |
| 19:18.29 | rocketmagnet | somiaj: no |
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| 19:18.38 | LinuxApprentice | hears the Twilight Zone theme playing.... |
| 19:18.51 | rocketmagnet | somiaj: can you give me a url where i can read what i've to do ? |
| 19:19.32 | LinuxApprentice | somiaj: what is different about installing a pkg from source and installing a testing pkg on a stable system? |
| 19:19.34 | rocketmagnet | how on earth do i know which stuff i need when compiling my own kernel ? |
| 19:20.24 | LinuxApprentice | somiaj: installing a pkg from testing....the package is linked against other testing packages? |
| 19:20.46 | Iridos | rocketmagnet, _why_ so you want to compile your own kernel |
| 19:21.16 | rocketmagnet | somiaj: where can i read about what i've to do to find out what i need to compile my own kernel so i only have what i need in the kernel and no other stuff |
| 19:21.27 | Iridos | LinuxApprentice, yes... and then you'll have packages from stable which suddenly use libraries from testing |
| 19:21.34 | LinuxApprentice | rocketmagnet: google kernel hacking or kernel for noobies |
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| 19:21.43 | rocketmagnet | ok |
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| 19:21.45 | somiaj | LinuxApprentice: problem is when you install a pcakge from testing you need to install the depends from testing. Since most packages depend on the core system this means you need to install a few of the core testing packages. Now you have a core system that mixes versions and things get buggy |
| 19:22.00 | LinuxApprentice | somiaj: i see |
| 19:22.06 | Iridos | rocketmagnet, thanks to modules you only have in the kernel what you need anyway |
| 19:22.24 | somiaj | LinuxApprentice: But if you compile the source against the stable libaries, this isn't an issue. So you first 1) check to see if someone made a backport for you -- like the kernel firmware we installed last night |
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| 19:22.30 | rocketmagnet | another question: i've a touchpad and i've an external mouse - how can i deactivate the mousepad ?? |
| 19:22.46 | somiaj | LinuxApprentice: if not there is a basic way to make your own backport package. again check Iridos factiod he sent you, /msg dpkg ssbp -- follow instructions |
| 19:22.58 | somiaj | rocketmagnet: why do you want to learn how to compile a kernel, there is various docs I don't know of any |
| 19:23.25 | somiaj | rocketmagnet: personally I would suggest just install the 3.2 kernel from backports and dont worry about compiling your own (it is fairly complicated cause of the thousands of options in the linux kernel these days) |
| 19:23.53 | LinuxApprentice | rocketmagnet: ^ what he said |
| 19:24.03 | LinuxApprentice | rocketmagnet: just install the linux kernel from the backports |
| 19:24.41 | rocketmagnet | somiaj: i want to make my computer as fast as possible so compiling my own kernel would be a good idea or ?? |
| 19:24.42 | LinuxApprentice | somiaj: i need to remove the currently installed midori before i install the one i am compiling? |
| 19:25.13 | somiaj | LinuxApprentice: if you follow the ssbp rules and make a debian package and install it via the deban tools, it will see the new package as an upgrade |
| 19:25.34 | rocketmagnet | hasn't debian an option to deactivate the mousepad when an external mouse is plugged in ?? |
| 19:25.40 | somiaj | rocketmagnet: the speed increase you get from that (and compiling all your own binaries like gentoo) is not noticable and is very small |
| 19:25.57 | rocketmagnet | ok |
| 19:26.12 | Iridos | rocketmagnet, my laptop has a key combination to switch it on and off which is understood by xorg |
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| 19:26.28 | Iridos | or understood by _something_ at least, as it works |
| 19:26.29 | LinuxApprentice | somiaj: ssbp rules? |
| 19:27.01 | rocketmagnet | i've tried gconfig-edit to setup the mouse so the touchpad gets deactivated when an external mouse is used but it doesn't work =(=( |
| 19:27.06 | somiaj | LinuxApprentice: then it will just upgrade/replace the package. If you compile it form upstream source and just use 'make install' you are now outside of the debian management tools and need to take more care in managing future software. This option is the least prefered |
| 19:27.10 | somiaj | !tell LinuxApprentice about ssbp |
| 19:27.12 | zdw | somiaj: after some judicious commenting out of lines in debian/rules , it's getting past the problem. Thanks! |
| 19:27.15 | somiaj | LinuxApprentice: Iridos told you about this twice |
| 19:27.21 | somiaj | zdw: (: |
| 19:27.28 | LinuxApprentice | somiaj: ok |
| 19:27.47 | somiaj | rocketmagnet: yea I to have a hardware swtich on my touchpad, if you have a software swtich I don't know of the top of my head how to do it |
| 19:28.00 | rocketmagnet | thx |
| 19:28.29 | somiaj | not sure if xset can change pointer devices on the fly, 'man xset', I know it has mouse options in there but mostly sensitivity stuff |
| 19:28.29 | rocketmagnet | i remember that my old debian had an option to turn the touchpad off when an external mouse gets plugged in |
| 19:28.30 | LinuxApprentice | rocketmagnet: u can disable touchpad with 'Fn+<one of the Function keys, 1-12> |
| 19:28.46 | rocketmagnet | that works |
| 19:28.49 | somiaj | yea sometimes the hardware switch is hidden key combination |
| 19:28.51 | LinuxApprentice | rocketmagnet: there would be an icon on one of those showing touchpad off |
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| 19:29.14 | somiaj | or maybe gnome just knows what is up, since I don' tuse a fancy DE I am not use to what is automatic these days |
| 19:29.32 | LinuxApprentice | somiaj: what WM/DE do u use? |
| 19:29.32 | rocketmagnet | when i use the new kernel - can i still use the nvidia kernel so i've 3d support ? |
| 19:30.20 | somiaj | LinuxApprentice: I use fvwm (because I can configure every aspect of my desktop with it) |
| 19:30.40 | somiaj | rocketmagnet: just install the linux-headers that go with the new kernel and make sure you have the nvidia-dkms package installed |
| 19:30.55 | somiaj | rocketmagnet: if you are using the offical nvidia installer you'll have to rerun it, and that is not supported by deban |
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| 19:31.46 | LinuxApprentice | somiaj: can u show me screens of your 'clean' and 'dirty' WM ? |
| 19:32.09 | THE_GFR|WORK | how do you install ssh server on debian squeeze? |
| 19:32.19 | somiaj | LinuxApprentice: http://zensites.net/fvwm/screenshots.html |
| 19:32.21 | hid3 | Hello everyone. When was the 6.0.4 released? |
| 19:32.35 | somiaj | THE_GFR|WORK: apt-get install ssh (that installs both the server and the client) |
| 19:32.48 | somiaj | hid3: today I think or yesteray, the topic was changed here then |
| 19:33.01 | hid3 | well, d.org says nothing about it |
| 19:33.22 | somiaj | hid3: probabaly takes a few days for that site to regenerate itself. (: |
| 19:33.24 | Iridos | rocketmagnet, compiling your own kernel won't "make your computer faster" in any appreciable way |
| 19:33.33 | THE_GFR|WORK | somiaj: not on debian squeeze, that does not work |
| 19:33.36 | somiaj | LinuxApprentice: those are a bit old, my stuff is a bit more barebones these days |
| 19:33.37 | hid3 | oh, I see |
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| 19:34.14 | hid3 | After lenny will be EOL, will it get removed from public mirrors? |
| 19:34.19 | somiaj | THE_GFR|WORK: yes it does, what does that package say when you try to install it. |
| 19:34.19 | LinuxApprentice | somiaj: that's your screens? |
| 19:34.24 | somiaj | LinuxApprentice: older ones |
| 19:34.34 | THE_GFR|WORK | somiaj: ssh does not have an installation canidate |
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| 19:35.02 | np_complete | hi, where should i put that audio card model? and how to restart the audio sub-system |
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| 19:35.12 | np_complete | without having to restart the computer. |
| 19:35.34 | somiaj | THE_GFR|WORK: sounds like something is wrong with your sources.list then |
| 19:35.37 | Iridos | THE_GFR|WORK, it's in main... how can you not have main? pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 19:35.59 | somiaj | np_complete: you may have to use rmmod/modprobe to take the modules out and put them back in |
| 19:36.09 | somiaj | np_complete: since there is a bunch of sound modules not sure the easiest way tot do that |
| 19:36.17 | THE_GFR|WORK | Iridos: this is debian squeeze |
| 19:36.30 | np_complete | somiaj, but where do I have to put that model name? |
| 19:36.32 | somiaj | THE_GFR|WORK: put a copy of your sources.list at paste.deban.net |
| 19:36.38 | Iridos | THE_GFR|WORK, I'm aware of that since you said it the first time :) |
| 19:36.46 | somiaj | np_complete: I put it in /etc/modprobe.conf.d/alsa-base.conf |
| 19:37.04 | somiaj | THE_GFR|WORK: do you have internet soruces or just your CD1 sources from your install? |
| 19:37.22 | THE_GFR|WORK | somiaj: internet |
| 19:37.22 | np_complete | that file doe snot exist |
| 19:37.31 | rocketmagnet | when using the 3.2.2 kernel - can i still use the nvidia driver so i've 3d support ? |
| 19:38.23 | somiaj | np_complete: /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf -- sorry |
| 19:38.36 | rocketmagnet | somiaj: do you have a manual i can read to i know how all the stuff with the kernel is working so i have a complete understanding how linus works |
| 19:38.44 | np_complete | linus? |
| 19:38.54 | THE_GFR|WORK | http://pastebin.com/ZyMUSLpx |
| 19:38.57 | somiaj | rocketmagnet: I already answered that yes, but you need to compile it against that kernel. If you have the nvidia-dkms package installed (you did it the deban way) make sure to install the kernel-headers too, its automatic |
| 19:39.09 | Blue1 | rocketmagnet: what uses a 3..2.2 kernel? |
| 19:39.16 | somiaj | rocketmagnet: if you installed them from nvidia.com this is not supported by debian |
| 19:39.17 | THE_GFR|WORK | look at my pastebin |
| 19:39.30 | somiaj | Blue1: think he installed the kernel from backports, though I thought it was just a 3.2 kernel |
| 19:39.42 | np_complete | somiaj, like an option=X ? |
| 19:39.44 | Iridos | dpkg, tell THE_GFR|WORK about sources.list |
| 19:39.53 | Blue1 | somiaj: the current debian version is 2.6.32-5 |
| 19:39.59 | fasta | vlc + rhythmbox audio doesn't work, but mplayer works via alsa. I started KDE, but then changed back to Gnome again. I get no error messages at all. Any one with an idea? |
| 19:40.06 | somiaj | Blue1: there is a 3.2 kernel in backports for squeeze |
| 19:40.10 | rocketmagnet | somiaj: so with the 3.2.2 kernel i've no 3d support ? |
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| 19:40.28 | Blue1 | somiaj: why would a backport have a later version then the current? |
| 19:40.30 | somiaj | THE_GFR|WORK: you only have your cd1 and security sources, you do not have the full debian repo sources available, modify your sources.list (add an internet source, remove the cd sources) |
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| 19:40.39 | Iridos | THE_GFR|WORK, you can comment out the cdrom entry now, but you should add something like deb http://cdn.debian.net/debian/ squeeze main |
| 19:40.42 | somiaj | Blue1: 3.2.2 is the kernel linux kernel on kernel.org |
| 19:40.51 | THE_GFR|WORK | k |
| 19:40.51 | Blue1 | oh |
| 19:41.02 | Iridos | (or deb http://cdn.debian.net/debian/ squeeze main contrib non-free ) |
| 19:41.25 | Blue1 | somiaj: I am more concerned about gnome 3 -- what looks like (insert noun of choice) |
| 19:41.37 | somiaj | Blue1: while 2.6.32 is the frozen kernel in squeeze that will be the default sqeueeze kernel. Backports are to give squeeze users who need a newer kernel (usually for hardware reasons) on a stable system |
| 19:41.54 | rocketmagnet | another question: is there an easy way to install firefox with debian without compiling it ?? i need firebug for dev web pages |
| 19:41.54 | somiaj | Blue1: gnome3 is not backported to squeeze, just stck with gnome2 on stable |
| 19:42.02 | rocketmagnet | somiaj: ^ |
| 19:42.09 | themill | rocketmagnet: mozilla.debian.net |
| 19:42.17 | somiaj | rocketmagnet: iceweasle (it is firefox with a new name because mozilla won't let us use their name trademarks) |
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| 19:42.42 | rocketmagnet | somiaj: but firebug does not work with iceweasel |
| 19:42.58 | Blue1 | somiaj: no you don't understand - I do NOT want gnome 3 - it's why I am moving from ubuntu to debian - to get away from unity as well. |
| 19:43.02 | themill | rocketmagnet: it does |
| 19:43.18 | Iridos | rocketmagnet, not? There's xul-ext-firebug |
| 19:43.19 | somiaj | Blue1: squeeze is frozen and will only ever have gnome2 in it the. Enjoy it. (: |
| 19:43.19 | rocketmagnet | but how |
| 19:43.29 | Blue1 | somiaj: ;-) |
| 19:43.45 | somiaj | Blue1: but look at backports.debian.org you can install some newer software from there on a stable system such as a kernel or various other things you may want newer than the squeeze freeze |
| 19:44.06 | Blue1 | somiaj: naw what I have works just fine. |
| 19:45.23 | rocketmagnet | Iridos: there is no plugin in iceweasle called xul-ext-firebug |
| 19:45.23 | somiaj | Blue1: nice to see you here, I like that attitude. Yes everything in squeeze is fine but sometimes you need newer stuff. (: |
| 19:45.55 | Blue1 | somiaj: where ru from? I am in southern az - my linux help site is http://www.pkill-9.com |
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| 19:46.06 | THE_GFR|WORK | thanks everyone with the correct sources it worked |
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| 19:46.14 | Iridos | rocketmagnet, it's a package! |
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| 19:46.23 | LinuxApprentice | LOL |
| 19:46.52 | somiaj | Blue1: I'm in Idaho/USA |
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| 19:47.12 | Blue1 | somiaj: little closer to the artic circle up that way.... |
| 19:47.28 | rocketmagnet | Iridos: thx |
| 19:47.34 | somiaj | near the 45th (so half way) a bit south now, but I've been a bit north too |
| 19:47.55 | somiaj | Blue1: anyways I degress and dont' want to goto #debian-offtopic, so back to #debian support |
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| 19:48.17 | Blue1 | somiaj: no worries |
| 19:48.23 | Iridos | somiaj, why not |
| 19:48.35 | Iridos | somiaj, we rarely kill strangers in there |
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| 19:49.54 | Iridos | hardly ever! |
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| 19:50.10 | somiaj | Iridos: I try to limit my offtopic chans cause I have a tendcy to want to type to much in the first place, I like the restraint. |
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| 19:51.47 | dvheumen | Has anyone heard of issues with the package-upgrades to 6.0.4? I've got a PC that isn't booting anymore. However, it stops at the moment of switching to Xorg, and I'm not sure if fglrx is maybe causing the problem |
| 19:51.54 | LinuxApprentice | somiaj: i thought compiling was a resource-intensive process? it's nothing to compile midori on this machine |
| 19:51.56 | rocketmagnet | Iridos: hmpf... can you explain me the steps i need to get firebug working with iceweasel ?? i've installed the package xul-ext-firebug and iceweasel-firebug... but when i call iceweasel i get no firebug =( |
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| 19:53.11 | Iridos | rocketmagnet, I stopped using FF/IW a year ago... but... I thought I had used it before and I just installed the packages and then ... dunno, was in one of the menus or something |
| 19:53.16 | somiaj | LinuxApprentice: compling will use as many resources as it can need durining it, but really its not that bad, just on older machines compling very large things take a long time. for a package here and there it is no big issue |
| 19:54.00 | rocketmagnet | Iridos: so what can i do ?? |
| 19:54.07 | LinuxApprentice | somiaj: gcc or linux kernel is worse when compiling? |
| 19:54.27 | dwfreed | LinuxApprentice: gcc |
| 19:54.49 | somiaj | LinuxApprentice: gcc mostly because of ordering. the kernel is fairly easy to compile (just time inteisive) once you know how to configure it |
| 19:54.57 | terron | I have a logical volume spanning 2 drives. I have debian installed on a different partition. if I reinstall debian on that same partition, will it affect the logical volume at all? |
| 19:55.16 | Iridos | dvheumen, look at your logfiles... also look at what packages where upgraded... look at bugs.debian.org or downgrade single packages... |
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| 19:56.39 | dvheumen | Iridos: I've already looked at the logs --> nothing noteworty, the only thing I can think of that I've left is to downgrade packages |
| 19:57.11 | rocketmagnet | Iridos: thanks, now it's working- i had iceweasel running while installing the package... |
| 19:57.24 | rudi_s | Hi. I have a directory full of *.deb files. Is there a simple way/tool to remove all old versions of each .deb but leave the current version? Thanks. |
| 19:57.46 | jhutchins | Has anybody installed crashplan on lenny? |
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| 19:58.07 | rocketmagnet | is it possible to install the 3.2.2 kernel and still use the non-free nvdia drivers ?? |
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| 19:58.13 | somiaj | rudi_s: does this directory happen to be /var/cache/apt/archives? |
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| 19:58.23 | rudi_s | somiaj: No. |
| 19:58.37 | Iridos | dvheumen, does /var/log/Xorg.0.log show any lines with EE? |
| 19:58.50 | somiaj | rudi_s: well by default that is where apt puts all of its packages, and apt-get as an autoclean option to remove all but the current versions |
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| 19:59.13 | somiaj | rudi_s: not sure of a tool that will do that on the current directory you have |
| 19:59.24 | rocketmagnet | Iridos: is it possible to use the 3.2.2 kernel and still use the non-free nvidia driver to have 3d support ? |
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| 19:59.53 | rudi_s | somiaj: Yeah, I know apt-get/aptitude can do that for /var/cache/apt/archives. Ok, thanks anyway. |
| 19:59.59 | Iridos | dunno... TIAS |
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| 20:01.52 | dvheumen | Iridos: nope, no EE, hardly anything useful in Xorg.0.log |
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| 20:02.55 | dvheumen | Iridos: booting into single-user mode now. I had already uninstalled the fglrx kernel modules |
| 20:03.05 | dvheumen | Iridos: I'll check Xorg.0.log again, just to be sure |
| 20:03.07 | Iridos | rudi_s, there's no real need to keep anything as all packages from debian will stay available in different archives |
| 20:03.35 | Iridos | dvheumen, can you still ssh into the machine after whatever happens or not? |
| 20:04.02 | rudi_s | Iridos: I know. But I don't want to redownload 1 GiB of files - just clean old versions. I'm using pbuilder and want to clean out its cache. |
| 20:04.20 | dvheumen | Iridos: I haven't tried that yet. However, numlock doesn't work anymore. (although could be because of the switch to Xorg, I'm not sure ...) |
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| 20:05.02 | dvheumen | Iridos: I'll try the ssh-check next :) |
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| 20:05.16 | Iridos | dvheumen, hmm... well, I'd try that first... if that isn't possible anymore, kernel probably paniced, then you should run a type of console |
| 20:05.23 | Iridos | dpkg, tell dvheumen about netconsole |
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| 20:06.46 | dvheumen | Iridos: thanks, interesting, didn't know about that one :). Anyways, I've got a screen back. Seems to be a problem caused by the fglrx driver config in xorg.conf. Now working on Mesa driver |
| 20:07.40 | dvheumen | I guess the fglrx part used by Xorg caused some strange problems ... b.t.w., my Xorg.0.log file was completely empty when I checked it from single-user mode |
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| 20:22.30 | nand` | What's the best way to extract a .rar archive? I tried unrar-free but it failed to extract about half the files in the archive |
| 20:22.35 | nand` | probably because the algorithm is outdated |
| 20:22.45 | valdyn | !unrar |
| 20:22.45 | dpkg | Roshal ARchive (RAR) is a proprietary archive format used mostly by 3l33+ war3z d00dz. To extract, use either "rar", "unrar" or "p7zip-rar" in non-free, ask me about <non-free sources>. "unrar-free" in main cannot extract RAR3 archives. The rar package can create archives, but costs money (see the license). See also <unar>. http://www.rarlab.com/ http://www.unrarlib.org/faq.html |
| 20:22.59 | guardian | i'm using a debian installed as a xen guest. libc6-xen is install though upgrading recommends libc6-i686… what should i do? |
| 20:23.19 | nand` | !non-free sources |
| 20:23.20 | dpkg | Edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main Debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then aptitude update. But bear in mind that you'll be installing <non-free> software. These may have onerous terms; check the licenses. See also <sources.list>. |
| 20:24.53 | terron | I have a logical volume spanning 2 drives. I have debian installed on a different partition. if I reinstall debian on that same partition, will it affect the logical volume at all? |
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| 20:25.28 | dvheumen | Iridos: thanks for the help :) I'm off to fighting AMD drivers for the next few hours :P |
| 20:28.01 | Iridos | dvheumen, actually I thought everything should happen automatically with dkms these days |
| 20:28.07 | Iridos | dpkg fglrx dkms |
| 20:28.07 | dpkg | [fglrx dkms] For Squeeze users. Ensure you have <non-free sources> added. Exit X / stop any <DM>, then as root: "aptitude -r install linux-headers-2.6-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` fglrx-driver && modprobe -r radeon drm ; mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "fglrx"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-fglrx.conf". |
| 20:28.50 | dvheumen | Iridos: yeah, normally it does, except when the fglrx module doesn't get compiled succesfully in dkms. Then AMD decides that you probably don't want dkms at all and removes all stuff from dkms again |
| 20:28.58 | dvheumen | Iridos: I just found that out :-/ |
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| 20:30.43 | dvheumen | Iridos: probably has something to do with the 3.1.10 kernel I compiled. Probably a feature regression since I've never had any trouble building the fglrx module before ... |
| 20:31.11 | dvheumen | I don't know ... it's always something with these proprietary kernel modules :-/ |
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| 20:31.46 | Iridos | sure... they're not integrated |
| 20:31.59 | Iridos | for the most part, the integrated stuff works™ |
| 20:32.02 | dvheumen | hehe, yeah that's one thing :) |
| 20:32.02 | senon | Is there a way to make a D-Link DWA-120 wifi adapter work under debian 64bit ? |
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| 20:35.06 | Iridos | rudi_s, well... you can always do something along the lines of for i in *.deb; do dpkg-deb -W "$i" | awk '{ printf "%s ",$2;system("dpkg -l " $1 "| grep "$1);}' | process_further; done |
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| 20:36.28 | Iridos | senon, how would anyone be able to answer that if not by the tremendously unlikely chance of owning such a card? |
| 20:36.49 | senon | Iridos, maybe someone does |
| 20:37.01 | guardian | i want php-fpm — if you were me, would you get it from testing or dotdeb repo? |
| 20:37.25 | Iridos | there may be 1200 entities in here, but probably less than 10 read questions at any given time |
| 20:37.37 | themill | guardian: neither. Mixing releases ends in tears; dotdeb make very poor quality packages. /msg dpkg ddb |
| 20:37.49 | themill | guardian: err.... /msg dpkg ssb |
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| 20:38.22 | guardian | it's not in backports |
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| 20:38.33 | themill | correct. |
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| 20:38.51 | rudi_s | Iridos: Hm. I don't understand how that would work. I don't necessary have that package installed. |
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| 20:39.11 | Iridos | rudi_s, then I don't see how you would define "current" at all |
| 20:39.42 | rudi_s | Iridos: By version number. I just have package_0.1-1_amd64.deb, package_0.2-1_amd64.deb, package_0.3_1_amd64.deb, and I only want to keep the last. |
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| 20:39.51 | rudi_s | Because it has the highest version number. |
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| 20:40.01 | guardian | themill: ok i'll try to follow the steps given in the msg |
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| 20:40.19 | guardian | i'm surprised it's not in backports though |
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| 20:41.12 | themill | rudi_s: http://www.nanonanonano.net/linux/debian/cowclean (you can do the same with a pbuilder) |
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| 20:41.55 | Freeaqingme | What's the appropriate way of configuring NAT Loopback using iptables? |
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| 20:42.54 | guardian | themill: shouldn't get the source pkg from wheezy instead of sid??? |
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| 20:43.55 | themill | guardian: whichever one you actually want; there's a slight difference between the two at present. Looking at the changelog will tell you whether that difference is significant for you |
| 20:44.10 | guardian | ok |
| 20:44.29 | Iridos | we assume you can adapt the instructions in the factoid to fit for testing as well :) |
| 20:44.34 | gturner` | anyone use monit + spamassassin? it's not entirely clear to me how to get |
| 20:44.34 | gturner` | ERC> it to ignore sa-update reloads |
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| 20:45.10 | BernardV | I have a question about NFS. I run some VM's on a KVM host and export one of the host drives with NFS. On my laptop I get Gbps speeds when I copy to and from the export. In a VM the max speed is capped at 100Mbps. But the thing is that when I scp a file from a VM to the Host it reaches the max diskspeed of about 90MB/s so it's not the networkdriver I think. I used the e1000 instead of the virtio driver, both give the same results by the way. Also SAMBA |
| 20:45.12 | guardian | themill: what decides a package enters backports? someone volunteering to maintain it? |
| 20:45.26 | themill | guardian: yes |
| 20:47.18 | guardian | allright |
| 20:47.24 | guardian | thx for taking the time to answer :) |
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| 20:48.37 | rudi_s | themill: Thanks, worked fine. |
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| 20:49.21 | themill | guardian: the other thing that helps with backports appear is people showing an interest in having them. You could write to the backports users mailing list (Cc the maintainers of the php packages) asking if it was possible to make the backport available through backports.d.o. |
| 20:49.38 | themill | dpkg: tell guardian about bpo-users |
| 20:49.48 | themill | dpkg: tell guardian about bpo users |
| 20:49.53 | themill | dpkg: stupid bot |
| 20:49.53 | dpkg | no, stupid themill |
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| 20:51.36 | simonlnu | stupid bot |
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| 20:51.45 | themill | no, stupid simonlnu |
| 20:51.49 | simonlnu | hehe |
| 20:52.06 | simonlnu | you're not the bot! ;) |
| 20:52.13 | themill | that's what you think! |
| 20:52.24 | simonlnu | haha |
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| 20:52.41 | judd | simonlu: but how can you possibly tell? |
| 20:53.31 | dvheumen | okay, so it's back to the terrifyingly slow xorg driver :-/ but at least I got everything (else) working again :) |
| 20:54.15 | simonlnu | you typoed my nick themill ;) |
| 20:54.38 | jhutchins_lt | guardian: An alternative would be to use acm. |
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| 20:54.53 | jhutchins_lt | Does FPM do cached compiles? |
| 20:54.53 | Flynn04 | Hello. |
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| 20:57.08 | Flynn04 | I have had trouble updating from debian squeeze to testing. It seems that my video card has trouble. I've received help from the debian forums but was wondering if someone could tell me something more. Since dist-upgrade makes my screen go black and since I posted some logs, they told me to run "aptitude install firmware-linux-nonfree xserver-xorg-video-radeon". The command doesn't work. What should I do instead? |
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| 20:57.40 | Flynn04 | I think that I need to do it before I run dist-upgrade because I can't see anything once the display messes up during the upgrade. |
| 20:58.32 | guardian | jhutchins_lt: i don't know acm, i had in mind nginx+php-fpm and i'm doing it for the first time |
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| 21:01.26 | AthomIk | hello again |
| 21:01.55 | Flynn04 | Is there something I can do instead of that command? |
| 21:02.00 | AthomIk | too much crash with my sid, i think is nvidia drivers and debian kernel |
| 21:02.10 | AthomIk | 3.2x |
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| 21:02.27 | AthomIk | or is X ? |
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| 21:06.55 | simonlnu | ,info ikiwiki --release sid |
| 21:06.59 | judd | Package ikiwiki (web, optional) in sid/i386: a wiki compiler. Version: 3.20120115; Size: 1852.4k; Installed: 5921k; Homepage: http://ikiwiki.info/; Screenshot: http://screenshots.debian.net/package/ikiwiki |
| 21:07.06 | simonlnu | Iridos: ^^^ |
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| 21:12.19 | Flynn04 | The problem I am having is summarized on here: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=75126&p=417342#p417342 |
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| 21:12.27 | technologov | strange question: How to find sources of libstdc++ ? libs/... lacks them. |
| 21:12.29 | Flynn04 | And I'm wondering what to do instead of that command. |
| 21:12.45 | technologov | also tried: aptitude search '?source-package(libstdc++6)' |
| 21:13.25 | guardian | themill: in the case of php5-fpm, http://packages.qa.debian.org/p/php5.html, is it pkg-php-maint@lists.alioth.debian.org i should bcc my request to? |
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| 21:14.32 | technologov | Flynn04, which command ? |
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| 21:18.57 | chomwitt | hi. if i run freqiently apt-get update in squeeze do i need to change sth in the repos to get 6.0.4? |
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| 21:19.19 | Flynn04 | technologov: aptitude install firmware-linux-nonfree xserver-xorg-video-radeon |
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| 21:19.43 | Flynn04 | technologov: I've been told to run that because my video card messes up whenever I try to upgrade from squeeze to wheezy |
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| 21:19.58 | Flynn04 | technologov: It makes sense that I would do it before the upgrade, right? |
| 21:20.01 | jpcaissy | Hi, I'm having some trouble having my usb wifi dongle loaded on boot. The modules are loaded on boot, but I have to manually unplug and replug the usb dongle to get it to work. |
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| 21:21.37 | technologov | chomwitt, no |
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| 21:25.28 | Iridos | "PocketRocket" |
| 21:25.30 | Iridos | /o\ |
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| 21:30.28 | chomwitt | technologov: ...i dont quite get it. is 6.0.4 merely an ''alarm'' for those that do updates less often ? or there are quilities that make it more stable than making more frequent updates? |
| 21:30.38 | Iridos | Flynn04, could it be you don't have non-free in your sources.list? |
| 21:30.39 | Murphy | hello ! |
| 21:30.50 | Murphy | Anybody knows how to fix this: python_init: Python version mismatch, expected '2.6.5+', found '2.6.6' |
| 21:31.38 | Iridos | jpcaissy, I see that a lot when I suspend or hibernate my system - dunno if I'd see it on boot, I usually never log out |
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| 21:32.16 | valdyn | chomwitt: those point releases upgrade more than just security fixes. Some people may not want to do such upgrades automatically and irrelegularily. Thats what the release is for. Whoever wants to do such upgrades automatically can use squeeze-updates |
| 21:32.26 | jpcaissy | Iridos: Dunno if it matters, but I compiled, and am using ath9k_htc |
| 21:32.57 | k-man | is there a cli tool I can use to examine a cd to find out of its audi or hybrid? |
| 21:33.05 | Iridos | jpcaissy, in my case it must be a race that has been ... affected in one of the last kernel security updates for squeeze. "Affected" because it might always have been there but timings were different so the problem (nearly?) never occured |
| 21:33.36 | Iridos | jpcaissy, as a workaround I unload/reload the kernel module |
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| 21:34.10 | Iridos | jpcaissy, hm, I have zd1211rw ... so if it's the same thing, it would affect all usb wifi, possibly all usb stuff |
| 21:34.20 | jpcaissy | Iridos: hmm, I just rebooted and it works. I'm rebooting once more to see. |
| 21:34.32 | Iridos | jpcaissy, oh, and I'm using gnomes network-manager... dunno |
| 21:34.38 | jpcaissy | Iridos: wicd |
| 21:35.15 | jpcaissy | Iridos: I don't get it, but it works now. |
| 21:35.17 | jpcaissy | ls |
| 21:35.23 | Iridos | and for me, it's obviously a race, as it doesn't happen all the time |
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| 21:35.32 | Iridos | but very often after suspend/hibernate |
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| 21:36.03 | nsadmin | is wicd better in some way, for example better quality coding or better workflow for the user, than nm? |
| 21:36.56 | jpcaissy | nadmin: I had problems with nm a few years ago with wired & wireless connected at the same time. Since I've been using wicd. It's just a matter of personal choice IMO. |
| 21:37.02 | valdyn | nsadmin: wicd is not tightly integrated with gnome, thats good and bad and.. different |
| 21:37.42 | Iridos | valdyn, good, bad or ugly? :) |
| 21:37.43 | nsadmin | oh, and nm is tightly coupled w/ gnome? little wonder it's being weird, I'm running kde |
| 21:38.04 | valdyn | nsadmin: they might use similar or same interfaces there |
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| 21:39.03 | valdyn | nsadmin: say you run empathy in gnome, and nm in gnome. Empathy will ask nm if theres net access, it will not just try. |
| 21:39.45 | Iridos | programs talking to each other... what if they conspire against me? |
| 21:40.05 | valdyn | Im sure it feels like that when it doesn't do what you want |
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| 21:40.43 | Iridos | "hey, yesterday, that guy closed me without using the quit button, lets give him a hard time today!" |
| 21:41.09 | nsadmin | you can't be digitally paranoid if there are actually hello-worlds out to get you... |
| 21:41.25 | koisoke | valdyn: that was also (one of) my reason(s) for ditching nm, would be interested if there is a way to disable that behavior. |
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| 21:41.33 | valdyn | For me its very irritating when i know that i have proper networking but empathy thinks that I don't. But im also not the kind of user this is designed for |
| 21:41.36 | OU818 | I got a ZFS pool on a freenas system I wanna pull the drives and put them in a debian squeeze box. do you think the drives will repool successfully using fuse-zfs? |
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| 21:42.09 | valdyn | koisoke: i dont know |
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| 21:42.12 | koisoke | also because it would deconfigure my interface and release the dhcp lease and reset all tcp connections every time the ethernet plug fell out of the jack |
| 21:42.13 | Iridos | valdyn, so what you say is you either use nm for everything or you don't |
| 21:42.32 | nsadmin | Iridos, oh man, you just reminded me of android activity lifecycle, where you never know if you are about to be killed... |
| 21:43.15 | valdyn | Iridos: more like. Either you don't know how networking functions at all or nm is not for you. |
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| 21:44.39 | Iridos | valdyn, well... I always thought I had a rough idea how networking functions and with squeeze I set up a new machine determined to try the defaults and see how horrible it is |
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| 21:45.12 | Iridos | valdyn, without any more problems than expected with nm |
| 21:45.26 | nsadmin | Iridos, what was the result of your inquiry? |
| 21:45.31 | Iridos | I stuck with it for a year now, so can't be all bad |
| 21:45.46 | Iridos | nsadmin, it's bearable |
| 21:46.04 | Iridos | on a fast machine |
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| 21:46.47 | nsadmin | I can't get large sections working myself, so I've had to stick with /etc/network/interfaces |
| 21:46.54 | Iridos | nsadmin, and I probably don't use a lot/most of the features ... or even know about them (e.g. my preferred file manager is a shell) |
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| 21:47.02 | nsadmin | (which, btw, is a great pathname... I've never been close to forgetting where it is) |
| 21:47.10 | Iridos | hehe |
| 21:47.36 | Iridos | nsadmin, well... something like nm is definitely better for laptops that change wireless networks regularily |
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| 21:47.57 | chomwitt | valdyn: thanks |
| 21:48.01 | nsadmin | I just wanted to get nm to scan and connect, haven't succeeded... I think I got it to scan |
| 21:48.01 | Iridos | adding entries to interfaces for each encrypted one was a bit... cumbersome |
| 21:48.10 | sieson | how can I mount a NTFS partition automatically on boot? Manually mounting the partition (mount -t ntfs-3g -o exec) works. I'd like the mounting to happen before init.d processes are kicked off. |
| 21:48.26 | Iridos | dpkg, ntfs-3g |
| 21:48.27 | dpkg | NTFS-3G is a userspace driver providing NTFS read and write support. "aptitude install ntfs-3g". Usage examples: http://www.tuxera.com/community/ntfs-3g-download/#usage . Also ask me about <user accessible ntfs>. |
| 21:48.50 | Iridos | sieson, look at the usage example ^^^ |
| 21:48.51 | PocketRocket | sieson: you may want the ntfs-3g kernel module in the initramfs in this case |
| 21:48.56 | nsadmin | sieson, you'll also want to look at man 5 fstab |
| 21:50.29 | sieson | Iridos: I was hoping to be able to add the mount command to a script that is called before userspace processes are kicked off. Isnt there any such script? |
| 21:50.31 | nsadmin | what specifically do you want it to be before, and what has you wanting that? |
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| 21:51.13 | nsadmin | a script will be a user-space process |
| 21:51.31 | sieson | I want to point mongodb's data path to a mounted location rather than the home directory |
| 21:52.01 | nsadmin | so you want it before mongo starts? |
| 21:52.21 | sieson | yes, that way I can pass the location as a parameter and mongo will accept it |
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| 21:53.19 | nsadmin | and, is it ok if it starts -immediately- before mongo, and possibly after other things (like net interface starting) |
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| 21:54.18 | sieson | yes the only thing that mongo needs is that the mounted directory be valid when passed as an argument to mongod process |
| 21:55.22 | nsadmin | ahh, ok. what you could do is write an init.d script (start with /etc/init.d/skeleton, which you could copy then alter the copy) |
| 21:55.40 | Iridos | sieson, so when is mongo started? |
| 21:55.52 | nsadmin | and set the boot dependency such that mongod depends on your mount script |
| 21:55.53 | sieson | would that run as root? |
| 21:56.18 | nsadmin | well it would generally have to in order to run mount |
| 21:56.39 | nsadmin | unless you made special arrangements in /etc/fstab |
| 21:56.43 | Iridos | an ntfs3g mount that is in fstab would be started by ./rcS.d/S21fuse |
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| 21:57.03 | Iridos | s/started/mounted/ |
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| 21:58.02 | sieson | that sounds good, let me try that. I was expecting this to be simpler but this seems like a good solutin |
| 21:58.12 | Iridos | huh? |
| 21:58.17 | boudiccas | sieson; is this in gnome? or kde? |
| 21:58.23 | sieson | gnome |
| 21:58.28 | Iridos | this IS simple... you just add the thing to fstab, like in the usage-example |
| 21:58.36 | nsadmin | the fstab method would just involve writing one line in that file |
| 21:58.38 | Iridos | and you didn't answer when that thing is started |
| 21:58.58 | Iridos | like in the usage-example I pointed you to originally* |
| 21:59.01 | sieson | its in init.d so it starts with all the other userspace processes |
| 21:59.04 | boudiccas | sieson; you know about 'gnome-control-center' where you can add programs to startup when you start gnome? |
| 21:59.16 | nsadmin | and then you should be good if mongod starts after that |
| 21:59.22 | Iridos | sieson, the question is WHEN it's started in init.d |
| 21:59.31 | sieson | boudiccas: mounting needs root permission so I cannot add it to startup programs |
| 21:59.42 | sieson | Iridos: dont know, how do I check that? |
| 22:00.00 | Iridos | sieson, something like ls /etc/*/S*mongo* |
| 22:00.42 | sieson | Iridos: /etc/rc2.d/S01mongodb |
| 22:00.55 | Iridos | hm, that's indeed early |
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| 22:01.31 | Iridos | sieson, try to figure out if there's any reason why it's started so early... if not, move it up to S22mongodb or somesuch |
| 22:01.39 | Iridos | or just move it up and see if something breaks |
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| 22:01.51 | Murphy | does anybody have some knowledge about Python errors ? |
| 22:02.01 | Flynn04 | Iridos: Sorry for the response, but you were right. |
| 22:02.05 | Flynn04 | Iridos: Thanks. |
| 22:02.05 | sieson | Iridos: isnt that risky doing that? |
| 22:02.35 | sieson | Iridos: the fstab method wont work in this case? |
| 22:02.38 | Flynn04 | Iridos: *later response |
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| 22:03.16 | Iridos | sieson, dunno, I don't know what it does... if it's "dangerous" as in causing permanent damage instead of errors, it must be pretty crappy |
| 22:03.49 | bs0d | Hello everybody. Why KVM in Debian is so slow? It slower, than VirtualBox even .. am I missing some packages which should speed-up its work? |
| 22:03.50 | Iridos | Murphy, Guido van Rossum, I think |
| 22:04.13 | Iridos | Flynn04, :D |
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| 22:04.22 | sieson | Iridos: well, my experience with mongodb hasnt been a pleasurable one so far. I have experienced a lot of inconsistencies. |
| 22:04.38 | sieson | Iridos: Thanks for the help though. |
| 22:04.42 | AimHere | The errors go away if you enclose what's causing them with try: <whatever> except: pass |
| 22:04.53 | Iridos | sieson, well... I would think it unlikely to do something fatal... but you got backups, right? :) |
| 22:04.57 | Murphy | Ok, I need help about it ;-) |
| 22:05.00 | kthakore | Hello I install 6.0.3 on my laptop but I have no sources besides the cdrom (which is a usb in this case). How do I get the repositories for stuff like vim, screen and git? |
| 22:05.03 | Flynn04 | Iridos: It looks like the command would work now, but it asked me if this solution was okay: http://pastebin.com/AszZQ9fH |
| 22:05.21 | Flynn04 | Iridos: Could you tell me if you think that would be okay or break anything? |
| 22:05.21 | sieson | Iridos: yeah I do, I just dont trust mongo :D |
| 22:05.24 | Flynn04 | Iridos: It is a fresh install |
| 22:05.34 | Murphy | IridosL: Searched a lot about this top, but no sollutions found yet. |
| 22:05.42 | guardian | i added a deb-src line for sid; but i'm getting Unable to find the source package for "php5-fpm" when trying to use aptitude build-dep |
| 22:05.44 | guardian | why is it so? |
| 22:06.13 | web416 | having trouble with suspend to RAM on a new HP laptop. Hibernate works. Used to reboot instead of wakeup, now it goes straight to a black screen and nothing happens and I have to do a hard shutdown & reboot. Don't understand why it has suddenly changed behaviour on resume. Tried a couple of things, but no permanent changes. Don't really understand the docs I've been finding, but I did try the troubleshooting in some archlinux docs |
| 22:06.23 | Murphy | Where can I find Guido van Rossum ? (also dutch, like me I think ) |
| 22:06.24 | Iridos | Flynn04, what do YOU think? |
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| 22:07.48 | Iridos | Murphy, dunno... look at his wiki page? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guido_van_Rossum |
| 22:07.53 | Flynn04 | Iridos: I'm a beginner, so I can only speculate. I was wondering if lines 30-34 meant other solutions or actions that will occur if I choose yes. |
| 22:08.12 | Murphy | Iridos: not yet, will look at it now. Thanks ! |
| 22:08.40 | Iridos | Murphy, being the author of python, I would guess he knows something about its errors? |
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| 22:08.42 | Iridos | /o\ |
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| 22:09.16 | kthakore | Where do I get the debian apt sources? |
| 22:09.24 | Iridos | Murphy, as a slightly more practial approach, you might /join ##python and ask them whatever you want to ask |
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| 22:09.36 | AimHere | Actually it's just #python |
| 22:09.42 | AimHere | Maybe Guido is there, lurking |
| 22:09.45 | Iridos | dpkg, tell kthakore -about sources.list |
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| 22:09.51 | kthakore | thanks |
| 22:09.56 | Murphy | thanks ! ;-) |
| 22:10.08 | Iridos | AimHere, that's not what our facotid says |
| 22:10.10 | Iridos | dpkg, python |
| 22:10.11 | dpkg | Python is a very nice scripting language, easy to learn and still quite powerful and elegant if you know how to use it. See http://wiki.python.org/moin/BeginnersGuide . #python and ##python on irc.freenode.net, #python on irc.oftc.net. See also <python 2.6>, <python 2.7> and <python 3>. |
| 22:10.30 | AimHere | Oh, there's both |
| 22:10.32 | Iridos | AimHere, I didn't check... but ## here, # on oftc? |
| 22:10.48 | _apostate_ | Hi am I right in saying that once installed cron-apt will automatically download but not install updates at 4am? |
| 22:11.01 | AimHere | There's about 25 users in ##python and 922 in #python |
| 22:11.08 | AimHere | Here, that is |
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| 22:11.46 | kthakore | Iridos: I get that part. I just don't have any sources in my sources.list file. This is after a fresh install of 6.0.3 |
| 22:12.19 | Iridos | kthakore, so edit the file and add some! |
| 22:12.35 | kthakore | I dunno what to add Iridos I haven't used debian before. |
| 22:12.45 | kthakore | Is there a list of the urls someplace? |
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| 22:13.57 | web416 | kthakore: http://wiki.debian.org/SourcesList |
| 22:14.11 | kthakore | thank you web416 |
| 22:14.44 | kthakore | erm ... |
| 22:14.45 | kthakore | ok |
| 22:14.47 | kthakore | sigh |
| 22:14.47 | nsadmin | also there is an official debian mirror list off www.debian.org |
| 22:14.57 | web416 | kthakore:http://www.debian.org/mirror/list |
| 22:15.04 | nsadmin | (it's not just the url btw) |
| 22:15.10 | nsadmin | thanks web :) |
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| 22:16.38 | HSorgYves | morning |
| 22:17.09 | web416 | not here:) |
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| 22:18.07 | HSorgYves | web416: its always morning on the web ;-) its 11 pm here right now ;-) |
| 22:18.16 | web416 | lol |
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| 22:21.05 | ksk | there is "universal greeting time" in case you guys did not already know ;) |
| 22:21.43 | HSorgYves | ksk: that's the one i was referring to wasn't i? |
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| 22:22.21 | ksk | ye... whatever :p |
| 22:22.27 | HSorgYves | well my question for tonight: what monitoring software(s) do you recommend? |
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| 22:25.12 | dr_traktor | can you tell me how much free memory do I have |
| 22:25.12 | dr_traktor | Mem: 124124k total, 122232k used, 1892k free, 100k buffers |
| 22:25.22 | dr_traktor | free as in memory that i can use for useful programs |
| 22:25.34 | dr_traktor | because i know that debian is caching |
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| 22:25.49 | dr_traktor | am i correct that i have basically zero free memory? |
| 22:26.31 | ishikawa | dr_traktor: no, check the line that says -/+ buffers/cache: |
| 22:26.56 | dr_traktor | ishikawa, i just used top, what switch do i have to use to see such line? |
| 22:26.57 | ishikawa | much of that used memory is disk cache |
| 22:27.09 | ishikawa | free -m |
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| 22:27.54 | dr_traktor | -/+ buffers/cache: used: 110 |
| 22:28.08 | dr_traktor | so that means that 110M could be used by a program should it require it? |
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| 22:32.31 | tremon | dr_traktor: no, that means you're only using 110MB when not considering disk cache |
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| 22:33.20 | dr_traktor | tremon, is it possible that apache2 is starving for memory right now? |
| 22:34.14 | tremon | I don't think that's possible. apache2 doesn't need that much memory for itself |
| 22:34.37 | tremon | most of apache's memory usage should be in disk cache |
| 22:34.46 | tremon | (which you can't measure) |
| 22:35.50 | dr_traktor | tremon, okay, I don't understand it. Do you think 128MB memory is too few for Drupal 7 in case of a single connection to apache2? |
| 22:36.34 | tremon | ah, you said nothing about dynamic content :) |
| 22:37.04 | dr_traktor | Well what do you think? It is unbearably slow. Nothing but a base D7 install. |
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| 22:37.53 | jelly-home | dr_traktor: do you have swap usage on that machine? |
| 22:37.57 | tremon | I'd think that 128MB would be very little for any web server doing dynamic content. Drupal is php, right? |
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| 22:38.23 | dr_traktor | tremon, yes and I thought it should be enough too. Well it definetly shouldn't kill my system with a single connection. |
| 22:38.30 | dr_traktor | jelly-home, sorry, no idea. |
| 22:38.54 | tremon | what do you mean "kill your system"? |
| 22:39.01 | jelly-home | dr_traktor: the "free" command show it |
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| 22:39.23 | cardamon | Ugh, what's up with my mirrors? I keep getting 403 messages when I try to update. |
| 22:39.24 | jelly-home | dr_traktor: also, inspect the output of "vmstat 1", if you see lots of si/so activity during normal load, the system is swapping and you probably need more memory |
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| 22:40.53 | dr_traktor | jelly-home, I see around 1000 si/so activity per row when I request something from drupal. That a lot? |
| 22:41.30 | tremon | it's certainly explains the slowness... |
| 22:41.30 | jelly-home | dr_traktor: anything more tha occasional nonzero line is active swapping |
| 22:41.42 | jelly-home | than a* |
| 22:42.05 | dr_traktor | jelly-home, sounds like a 128M VPS is simply not enough to serve drupal 7. |
| 22:42.19 | jelly-home | dr_traktor: that's probably right |
| 22:42.42 | dr_traktor | jelly-home, how much memory should debian 6 use from that 128M? |
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| 22:43.05 | jelly-home | depends on the services ran |
| 22:43.15 | Psi-Jack | BRB |
| 22:43.38 | dr_traktor | jelly-home, almost no services |
| 22:43.51 | dr_traktor | jelly-home, the minimum that can run apache2, php5 and mysql |
| 22:44.05 | dr_traktor | 30-50M? |
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| 22:44.09 | DarkUranium | hey there |
| 22:44.13 | DarkUranium | how secure is this: http://wiki.debian.org/Sandbox |
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| 22:45.28 | tremon | you're running mysql too? lol... if you want decent performance, you need about as much memory as the size of your mysql database |
| 22:45.33 | jelly-home | dr_traktor: no idea, but probably more. Have you tuned your services for minimal number of connections and internal resource usage? |
| 22:45.50 | bs0d | does anyone here use current branch of debian? |
| 22:46.09 | dr_traktor | jelly-home, no. Any manual about that at hand? |
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| 22:46.29 | dr_traktor | tremon, I see. |
| 22:46.32 | jelly-home | dr_traktor: each of those has a separate manual. |
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| 22:47.01 | wolfric | i'm not seeing all the options in debconf-get-selections when i do dpkg-reconfigure package. are some of them hidden? |
| 22:47.25 | cardamon | I can't get packages to change my mirror because I can't update my mirror. >_> |
| 22:47.31 | jelly-home | bs0d: you may assume EVERY user in the channel is using the latest debian release unless told otherwise |
| 22:47.34 | jelly-home | !ask |
| 22:47.35 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 22:48.07 | tremon | wolfric: dpkg-reconfigure debconf? |
| 22:48.16 | wolfric | http://pastebin.com/u67KpKcX when i install slapd, i don't get this many options, i just get 2 prompts for ONE password |
| 22:48.24 | bs0d | jelly-home could you be so kind to watch in apt repositories of current the versions of wine and nvidia drivers ( dkms ) and tell me those version numbers? |
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| 22:48.29 | wolfric | sorry, when i dpkg-reconfigure slapd |
| 22:49.03 | jelly-home | bs0d: /msg judd versions nvidia-kernel-dkms |
| 22:49.08 | jelly-home | bs0d: /msg judd versions wine |
| 22:49.09 | bs0d | jelly-home I just need to know, if they are too old or not, because those in stable branch they are very very old |
| 22:49.10 | tremon | wolfric: have you tried running that command? Apologies for being terse... |
| 22:49.30 | wolfric | tremon: what? dpkg-reconfigure slapd? or debconf? |
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| 22:50.01 | jelly-home | bs0d: wine in Debian is rather outdated. |
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| 22:50.13 | tremon | reconfiguring debconf. You can set the priority level of the questions asked. Setting it to low means you'll get a lot more flexibility |
| 22:50.18 | jelly-home | bs0d: /msg dpkg wine-unstable |
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| 22:51.14 | wolfric | tremon: i thought if you dpkg-reconfigure any package, you'd get all options |
| 22:52.00 | tremon | dpkg-reconfigure -plow, see man dpkg-reconfigure |
| 22:52.24 | wolfric | tremon: in any case, moot point as i just reconfigured it to ask all questions and the same questions were asked |
| 22:52.32 | tremon | hmm... and the manual page says -p low is the default... :| |
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| 22:52.52 | wolfric | tremon: yes... for default installs. dpkg-reconfigure generally to my knowledge asks all the questions |
| 22:53.11 | wolfric | tremon: but anyhow, did you have a look at my pastebin? |
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| 22:53.44 | wolfric | tremon: there are some keywords in there that make me wonder like slapd/internal/generated_adminpw |
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| 22:55.47 | tremon | yes... I think the /internal/ passwords may be the encrypted versions of the same question |
| 22:55.58 | tremon | at least that's my guess... |
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| 22:59.04 | tremon | wolfric debconf-show on slapd shows much more answers than just the ones you listed. Where does your output come from? |
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| 23:02.56 | wolfric | tremon: debconf-get-selections | grep slapd |
| 23:03.49 | wolfric | tremon: only the relevent parts for the passwords |
| 23:04.02 | wolfric | tremon: there was more i just didn't put into the pastebin link |
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| 23:06.44 | tremon | ok, understood. I guess the only way to really find out is to read the debconf source for slapd |
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| 23:07.32 | wolfric | tremon: where would i find that? |
| 23:07.49 | rexer | WHAT! apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade just totaly screwed up my netbook. |
| 23:07.54 | tremon | /var/lib/dpkg/info/slapd.config |
| 23:08.20 | rexer | all i get is a black screen.. no keyboard reponce no network responce. |
| 23:08.51 | tremon | wolfric: there is a function crypt_admin_pass, which hashes password1 and puts it in internal/adminpw |
| 23:09.37 | rexer | what next? |
| 23:09.52 | tremon | wolfric: and it sets internal/generated_adminpw if it autogenerated the password for you |
| 23:10.16 | wolfric | tremon: ah cool cheers, didn't know about those scripts |
| 23:10.19 | tremon | rexer: at what point? while dist-upgrading, after reboot? |
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| 23:10.59 | rexer | temon: i press enter at grub.. stuff flys on screen.. then black. |
| 23:11.28 | rexer | tremon: dist-upgrade went fine.. |
| 23:11.54 | rexer | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:12.20 | tremon | rexer: try booting single-user, and remove any quiet or splash options from the command line (press E in grub) |
| 23:13.02 | rexer | tremon: hard power off... <grin> |
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| 23:14.09 | rexer | tremon: pressed "e" at grub prompt.. and stuff flys on screen.. then black screen. |
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| 23:15.52 | rexer | tremon: powered off.. and pressed e at grub prompt.. |
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| 23:16.11 | rexer | tremon: now have grub show stuff. |
| 23:18.09 | rexer | tremon: i see setroot='(hd1,msdoc3)' looks odd. |
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| 23:19.57 | rexer | tremon: i know sda3 is to be sda3 ext3 at 34mb and sda4 is / sda5 is extended and sda6 is swap. |
| 23:21.19 | rexer | tremon: sorry typo.. sda3 is /boot (ext3) . sda4 (/) ext3 |
| 23:21.48 | rexer | tremon: do you think it screwed up my grub.conf? |
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| 23:25.44 | rexer | tremon: i removed quiet from one line and booted.. stuff still flys on screen.. then black screen. |
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| 23:27.37 | rexer | tremon: anything else? |
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| 23:30.16 | thepro4ever | well i just ran the command "rm tree *" with a space between tree and '*' which i intended as a wild card and it removed all my source code |
| 23:30.24 | thepro4ever | is there anyway to get it back? |
| 23:30.36 | rexer | OK anyone else want to take a stab at why i get a blank screen. no keyboard responce after i did a apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade ? |
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| 23:30.56 | rexer | ohh no ssh also. |
| 23:31.12 | rexer | a damn blank screen.. with fan going full blast. |
| 23:31.42 | thepro4ever | does windows have syslog? |
| 23:31.47 | thepro4ever | wrong chan |
| 23:31.50 | thepro4ever | well i just ran the command "rm tree *" with a space between tree and '*' which i intended as a wild card and it removed all my source code |
| 23:31.54 | thepro4ever | is there anyway to get it back? |
| 23:32.42 | rexer | no backups? |
| 23:32.59 | thepro4ever | no |
| 23:34.06 | rexer | rethink your nick "the PRO 4ever"; time to get googling on forensics |
| 23:34.53 | celthunder | why you read and reread BEFORE hitting enter on rm statements |
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| 23:35.10 | deadmund | when I run sudo service mysql stop I get 'failed' but there are no mysql logs in /var/log What is going on here? |
| 23:35.50 | celthunder | is it started? |
| 23:35.54 | rexer | so the pro4ever lost files with rm... and I get blank unresponsive after dist-upgrade... great day for linux !! ;) |
| 23:36.25 | celthunder | rexer: lol i suspect pro4ever's problem happens daily |
| 23:36.40 | celthunder | as for yours .... :( remote system or local? |
| 23:37.13 | rexer | celthunder: my netbook. next to me.. |
| 23:37.49 | celthunder | well that's a plus at least you have phsyical access to the blank unrespoonsiveness :) |
| 23:38.17 | celthunder | rather than 'wait for someone to get to it reboot it' 'do your fix...doesn't work' 'wait again' 'repeat' |
| 23:38.17 | rexer | celthunder: i hope your not going to give a microsoft answer to re-install. |
| 23:38.27 | celthunder | hell no |
| 23:38.31 | celthunder | reinstall is NOT a solution |
| 23:38.47 | celthunder | it's the idiots way out of learning what went wrong |
| 23:39.21 | rexer | celthunder: ok.. so i pressed e at grub... and edit out "silent" and boot.... still same thing. |
| 23:39.26 | deadmund | celthunder: yes |
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| 23:40.42 | celthunder | deadmund: ? |
| 23:41.03 | deadmund | celthunder: nevermind |
| 23:42.37 | celthunder | rexer: does it even mount /boot? |
| 23:43.05 | rexer | celthunder: how can i tell? when i cannot ssh into it.. nor see anything on screen.. |
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| 23:45.03 | thepro4ever | i guess if you can take the berating and criticism |
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| 23:47.20 | rexer | so the next step is boot off a usb stick.. with an older kernel.. |
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| 23:47.40 | rexer | problem 1... netbook is 64bit.. and pc is 32bit.. |
| 23:47.42 | ishikawa | thepro4ever: so now you know for next time. backups are good. |
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| 23:47.56 | celthunder | rexer: your pc is 32 bit? |
| 23:48.05 | celthunder | kind of a hw reversal there |
| 23:48.24 | rexer | celthunder: pc running debian... 32bit... and netbook 64bit |
| 23:49.25 | rexer | so how do i get a 64bit kernel on a usb stick to boot using 32bit box? |
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| 23:50.34 | ishikawa | rexer: you don't |
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| 23:55.03 | Mythos | I'm having a similar issue with a laptop. Fresh install of debian and I get nothing on the screen. |
| 23:55.04 | rexer | celthunder: so i found a gentoo usb stick.. booted it and mounted / at /mnt/debian |
| 23:55.21 | Mythos | Not sure if it's driver related because I can see cli fine |
| 23:59.27 | rexer | does anybody out there have a 64 bit debian.. and can make me a dd of a usb rescue stick? |