| 00:00.21 | tremon | rexer: sry, got sidetracked. What graphics card do you have? |
| 00:00.56 | rexer | tremon: atiradeon HD 6310 |
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| 00:01.33 | tremon | rexer: try adding radeon.modeset=0 to the command line (same place where you removed quiet) |
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| 00:01.48 | takahiro | is there a way to install debian on a drive/partition without creating a bootable cd/dvd/etc? i'd like to write a working debian directly to it via windows or from another already-working debian partition |
| 00:02.14 | tremon | rexer: if that works, then read http://tanguy.ortolo.eu/blog/article41/debian-amd-graphic-card and sent a thank you note to AMD ;) |
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| 00:03.18 | tremon | takahiro: debootstrap |
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| 00:04.13 | tremon | takahiro: oh never mind, that only works from Linux/unix, not from windows |
| 00:05.08 | technologov | takahiro, there is "iso hybrid" tech in Debian |
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| 00:05.22 | beny | Hello |
| 00:05.23 | technologov | you can create bootable Debian USB flash |
| 00:05.23 | rexer | tremon: NOPE (chuck testa) same thing.. blank screen. |
| 00:05.33 | thepro4ever | i need a command that i can run to do a backup on the first of every hour, it will copy over new/modified files and remove extra files from the destination that are no longer in the source |
| 00:05.39 | thepro4ever | what command could i use |
| 00:05.54 | tremon | thepro4ever: crontab |
| 00:06.06 | jaakkos | and rsync. |
| 00:06.07 | thepro4ever | i already have a general copy in crontab |
| 00:06.10 | thepro4ever | ahh rsync |
| 00:06.52 | tremon | rexer: can you still boot with the old kernel? |
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| 00:07.50 | beny | I've installed a chroot squeeze system on a squeeze server. The server can currently send e-mails by postfix, and for example scripts using /usr/sbin/sendmail -t -f email@domain works, however, I'd like to use the same script on the chrooted environment, but that doesn't work as expected, even after installed postfix without any configuration |
| 00:08.03 | beny | would someone have any idea? |
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| 00:09.19 | rexer | tremon: only selections in grub are Debian Linux 2.6.32-5-amd64 ; another appended with (recovery mode); and Windows 7 on /dev/sda1 |
| 00:09.19 | tremon | beny: have you tried configuring postfix in the chroot to use 127.0.0.1 as its mailer? |
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| 00:10.17 | tremon | rexer: that's a surprise. I had assumed you would be on the 3.1 kernel from testing. Where did you dist-upgrade from (and to)? |
| 00:10.31 | beny | tremo_, yes and I got a "postdrop: warning: unable to look up public/pickup: No such file or directory" error, also how can the system might bind twice the same port 25? |
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| 00:11.51 | rexer | tremon: http://www.debian.org/News/2012/20120128 looks like still on 2.6 ...?no? |
| 00:12.06 | tremon | beny: apologize to tremo_ first (you're only the third to do that this week ;) |
| 00:12.34 | beny | tremon, yeah sorry! |
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| 00:13.05 | tremon | beny: I don't think the postfix in the chroot needs to run as service, so it shouldn't bind at all. But I have little experience with postfix |
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| 00:15.48 | tremon | rexer: my bad, I assumed that your dist-upgrade meant moving from stable to testing. It might be that there is a backup of the old initrd, can you try booting with initrd.img-<ver>.old? |
| 00:16.06 | beny | tremon, in fact, postfix doesn"t run in the chrooted env, but I still got an postdrop error "postdrop: warning: unable to look up public/pickup: No such file or directory" when I try to send e-mails by using /usr/sbin/sendmail -t -f email@domain |
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| 00:16.16 | takahiro | i found goodbye-windows.com which does exactly what i want, except it doesn't support windows 7 x64 |
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| 00:18.35 | tremon | tremon: otherwise you really need to find out in which stage it's failing, for example using netconsole or break=modules on the kernel command line |
| 00:18.57 | takahiro | oh well, guess i have to kill more CDs |
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| 00:19.45 | tremon | rexer: ^^^ I wasn't talking to myself... |
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| 00:20.29 | rexer | tremon: booted with gentoo32usb stick. and mounted debian to /mnt/debian.. ls /boot is System.map-2.6.32-5-amd64, config-2.6.34-5-amd64, initrd.img-2.6.32-5-amd64, vmlinuz-2.6.32-amd64 |
| 00:20.40 | takahiro | it would be neat if i could write a bootable iso to a 700 mb partition and boot to it :) |
| 00:20.54 | rexer | err config-2.6.32-5... |
| 00:21.37 | rexer | no old files. |
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| 00:22.05 | rexer | initrd is modified 1-28 while all else is 1-16 |
| 00:22.12 | rexer | cd grub |
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| 00:22.21 | web416 | takahiro: usb stick? |
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| 00:23.00 | takahiro | web416, tried that, couldn't get it to work... tried various windows programs to make it bootable and none of them worked |
| 00:23.04 | dvs | !tell takahiro about usb install |
| 00:23.06 | tremon | rexer: try chrooting into it and running update-initramfs |
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| 00:23.27 | tremon | rexer: otherwise you need to http://wiki.debian.org/InitramfsDebug |
| 00:24.05 | rexer | tremon: chroot /mnt/debian /bin/bash returns failed to run command '/bin/bash' : Exec format error |
| 00:24.33 | tremon | rexer: ouch. 32-bit/64-bit? |
| 00:25.13 | tremon | rexer: ah yes, try booting with a gentoo64 usb stick :) |
| 00:25.48 | rexer | tremon: cant make it with 32bit debian... i have to get sata/usb conv. and plug in a CDrom |
| 00:26.28 | rexer | crap crap crap... |
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| 00:26.49 | tremon | rexer: oh well, do you have a 64bit live cd or debian install hanging around? |
| 00:27.04 | rexer | tremon: nope... overwritten CDR |
| 00:27.08 | rexer | chuck testa |
| 00:28.06 | rexer | anyways.. thank you for the help.. i have to get ready for a formal thing... thanks for the hint.. about initramfsdebug |
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| 00:28.24 | tremon | is glad he has pxeboot setup at home :) |
| 00:28.55 | tremon | rexer: good luck with this problem. If you find out about it, please drop a message or bug report, I'm sure people will want to know |
| 00:29.33 | tremon | *find out more |
| 00:29.56 | takahiro | is there a debian installer .img file? the tool to make my usb stick bootable only accepts .imb files |
| 00:30.50 | tremon | takahiro: have you tried renaming it? |
| 00:31.08 | web416 | takahiro: try goodbye-microsoft.com. Seehttp://linuxhelp.blogspot.com/2007/01/install-debian-from-within-windows.html |
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| 00:31.29 | takahiro | web416, i tried that, it doesn't spport windows 7 |
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| 00:32.03 | web416 | takahiro: not the same as goodbye-windows.com |
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| 00:32.32 | takahiro | web416, oh |
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| 00:33.44 | takahiro | thanks web416 :) |
| 00:36.17 | takahiro | aww it didn't work, the goodbye-microsoft app crashed with a windows 7 error |
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| 00:36.56 | web416 | bummer |
| 00:37.03 | takahiro | it's like the final tormenting of windows |
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| 00:37.19 | takahiro | "you can stay as long as you like, but you can never leave" |
| 00:37.53 | dvs | doh! |
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| 00:41.03 | takahiro | am i supposed to ungzip the boot.img.gz file and write that to the usb stick? |
| 00:41.19 | dvs | no |
| 00:41.32 | dvs | It only works with an ISO image |
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| 00:41.48 | takahiro | the writer doesn't work with ISO, it only works with an .IMG image |
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| 00:42.26 | web416 | takahiro: can't say for sure, but you could at least try to unzip it |
| 00:43.16 | web416 | I made a bootable debian live usb stick from within windows 7 not so long ago. Just trying to find how I did it |
| 00:43.43 | Evollana | Was wondering why C++ is not seen all that much in Linux. Sure I can write code in C but OO can be quite convenient. |
| 00:44.17 | Evollana | Or should I say on GNU/Linux based platforms |
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| 00:45.07 | takahiro | web416, that would be great |
| 00:45.20 | takahiro | i found these, but they are ISO files too http://www.debian.org/CD/live/ |
| 00:45.34 | takahiro | it would be so cool if i could boot from my usb stick and run debian off of that |
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| 00:49.00 | somiaj | takahiro: they are hybrid iso lifes |
| 00:49.08 | somiaj | takahiro: meaning they can be put on a cd OR a usb stick |
| 00:49.13 | somiaj | also check out live.debian.net |
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| 00:49.18 | somiaj | they have hdd images as well |
| 00:49.27 | Kull | takahiro: unetbootin + debian iso = what you want |
| 00:49.31 | tremon | Evollana: mostly, because it's hard. But a discussion like that would be #debian-offtopic |
| 00:49.38 | somiaj | takahiro: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/release/current-live/i386/ |
| 00:50.01 | ring0 | takahiro, what Kull said and make sure to have the stick in fat16 |
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| 00:50.44 | takahiro | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/release/current-live/i386/usb-hdd/ |
| 00:50.47 | Evollana | tremon I know it o/t but people here tend to be objective. |
| 00:51.29 | somiaj | takahiro: most people would want the iso-hybrid images (they can be put on usb sticks just like the installer images). The usb-hdd images are for rare systems that cannot boot from the first ones. |
| 00:51.32 | Evollana | tremon and I use Debian =) |
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| 00:52.04 | takahiro | how do i know which ones are hybrid and which ones are not? |
| 00:52.26 | somiaj | takahiro: http://www.debian.org/CD/live/ that first page you sent descirbes teh different images |
| 00:52.37 | Kull | takahiro: just downlaod unetbootin and it will automatically do all the work for you, even dowbnload a debian iso |
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| 00:53.19 | takahiro | ok let me try that Kull |
| 00:53.31 | somiaj | Kull: why? The images I'm pointing him to can be either 'cat' or 'dd' to the usb drive just fine. |
| 00:53.49 | somiaj | takahiro: grab any of those images in the iso-hybrid or hdd-hybrid and just cat or dd them onto your usb stick |
| 00:53.51 | Kull | spacepup: sounds like he wants the easy route, that's what I offered. |
| 00:54.13 | Evollana | takahiro just drop an an image on something like Unetbootin. If you want to save changes to your USB there is a nice guide on BackTracks F&Q |
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| 00:55.24 | takahiro | yeah this unetbootin looks super easy |
| 00:55.29 | Kull | It is, takahiro |
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| 00:55.59 | Evollana | takahiro it will even download Debian for you. |
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| 00:56.10 | takahiro | nice, its already downloading |
| 00:56.12 | THE_GFR|WORK | how do I prevent users from showing on the gdm login screen? |
| 00:56.49 | somiaj | THE_GFR|WORK: have you tried looking though the gdm config file (located somewhere in /etc/X11/gdm I think) |
| 00:56.56 | somiaj | THE_GFR|WORK: might be an obvious option you can just change |
| 00:57.01 | rainfyre | takahiro: I use unetbootin all the time. I have lots of iso's downloaded on my hard drive, that's how I test things out |
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| 00:57.53 | Evollana | gdm is 50k of bloated code. I know in lightdm you just go into /etc/lightdm and you have a conf file. |
| 00:58.24 | Kull | Can anyone show me a tutorial/docs on how to add a second wireless router to my network? Everything I see seems to contradict. I know it cant be hard. |
| 00:58.34 | Kull | isnt a networking guru |
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| 00:59.29 | Evollana | kull you will find tons of info over at Linksys under the TomatoUSB project. |
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| 00:59.40 | THE_GFR|WORK | somiaj: thanks I'll look there |
| 01:00.02 | bootris | on the subject but have tons of othello pieces for the chan that doesnt belong there.. //www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRpcqr89f0E.. |
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| 01:01.45 | takahiro | aww it didn't work... the unetbootin looked so promising... when i rebooted, i got the DELL screen then a choice between HDD, CD-ROM, or USB-ZIP and i picked usb-zip and it just booted windows 7 again |
| 01:03.07 | takahiro | the USB stick is FAT-32, should i format it as FAT-16 and try it again? |
| 01:03.08 | somiaj | takahiro: just grab one of those iso's I pointed you to and then use either 'cat' or 'dd' to put them on your usb (this will wipe other data on it). Grab the usb-hdd if your biso cannot boot from iso-hybrid images |
| 01:03.37 | somiaj | takahiro: 'cat path/to/image > /dev/sd<usb stick>' should be all you need. |
| 01:03.39 | takahiro | im not sure if it can or can't yet |
| 01:03.51 | takahiro | but im in windows 7, i can't cat or dd |
| 01:04.08 | somiaj | oh in windows...:( yea not sure how to do it then. |
| 01:04.22 | nsadmin | takahiro, if you dd an image to the stick, the image CONTAINS the result of formatting |
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| 01:04.44 | nsadmin | if you then format the stick, you would lose the result of the dd |
| 01:04.52 | takahiro | well unetbootin didn't format my usb stick when it was done, all my old junk files were still on it |
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| 01:05.04 | takahiro | maybe that's a sign that it didn't work? |
| 01:05.06 | nsadmin | ahh, so it copied files |
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| 01:05.20 | nsadmin | no idea |
| 01:06.02 | nsadmin | I think I used unetbootin once, it worked, didn't have to chase problems... so I'm unfamiliar in that sense |
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| 01:06.42 | takahiro | screw it, burning more CDs |
| 01:06.50 | takahiro | it's like my 11th debian cd lol |
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| 01:06.58 | takahiro | in the last 2 days |
| 01:07.19 | nsadmin | I think I remember something about a fat filesystem having boot files at a particular position in the file allocation table |
| 01:07.21 | takahiro | i don't even have CDs, im burning 150 meg iso's onto 4.7g dvds actually |
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| 01:07.32 | takahiro | such a waste -_- |
| 01:08.06 | nsadmin | Just like Leno said on a potato chip commercial... burn all you want... we'll make more |
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| 01:09.47 | rainfyre | takahiro: format the usb drive before you use unetbootin |
| 01:09.48 | takahiro | my system doesn't support USB-HDD boots |
| 01:10.03 | nsadmin | takahiro, you could check out /msg dpkg ig and follow instructions there, with a netinst iso at the ready |
| 01:10.21 | nsadmin | takahiro, oh, that would make my comment useless |
| 01:10.21 | rainfyre | takahiro: takahiro it's really a nice way to go, and it's worth learning how to do it |
| 01:11.02 | takahiro | this is my situation ---> http://www.pendrivelinux.com/booting-linux-from-usb-zip-on-older-systems/ |
| 01:11.14 | takahiro | the USB-ZIP is looking for a ZIP drive |
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| 01:11.37 | nsadmin | which you don't have? |
| 01:11.45 | takahiro | nope, i only have a USB drive |
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| 01:12.35 | takahiro | is it possible to re-burn an iso on a DVD disc? i only used 150 megs or whatever the netinst iso file size is |
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| 01:15.13 | takahiro | burning another tiny file to a 4.7gig dvd :( |
| 01:15.31 | takahiro | im gonna need a new pack of blank dvds soon... |
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| 01:16.48 | definitelylion | hi folks :). I'm having a bit of trouble implementing debconf support in one a debian package. it installs fine with dpkg (http://pastie.org/3273150), but not with apt(-get|itude) (http://pastie.org/3273152) |
| 01:17.37 | Kull | takahiro: you can get 100 blank dvds for like $20. |
| 01:17.52 | definitelylion | debian/config: http://pastie.org/3273160 debian/postinst: http://pastie.org/3273157 |
| 01:17.58 | takahiro | hopefully 100 will be enough to install debian |
| 01:18.13 | Kull | Only takes one. Not sure why you cant use the DVD you just burned debian to. |
| 01:18.15 | Kull | .... |
| 01:18.40 | takahiro | it doesn't work with my hardware, i tried amd64 first with squeeze, that didnt work |
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| 01:18.46 | takahiro | then i tried sid amd64 that didn't work |
| 01:18.52 | takahiro | so now im trying i386 with squeeze |
| 01:18.53 | Kull | Maybe you dont have a 64bit machine |
| 01:18.57 | Kull | Obviously it is your fault |
| 01:19.21 | takahiro | i do have a 64bit machine, but the software drivers i have for my modem are only available in 32-bit format |
| 01:19.38 | takahiro | it's just a lot of back and forth work and a lot of new debian iso's |
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| 01:20.09 | nsadmin | Kull, finding fault or guessing where fault lies is not in service |
| 01:20.51 | takahiro | i don't know what else to do :( |
| 01:21.32 | nsadmin | takahiro, how large is the drive you want the running debian to be on? |
| 01:21.54 | nsadmin | and what percentage of the whole drive do you expect it to occupy? |
| 01:21.57 | takahiro | about 400 gigs |
| 01:22.24 | takahiro | i made a partition using "Parted Magic" cd-rom for linux and made it about 10 gigs |
| 01:22.54 | takahiro | i just need a size large enough for me to test if linux can support my modem, because if that doesn't work, i can't use linux at all |
| 01:23.04 | nsadmin | One thing you can do, is put a minimal, really small i386 install on there, and get your networking going in 32bitland |
| 01:23.55 | nsadmin | once you're there, you can probably create a system of partitions on which to put a 64b debian meant to occupy more of your drive |
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| 01:24.25 | takahiro | hmm? the point is that i can't get a small i386 install on there without burning more DVDs |
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| 01:24.49 | nsadmin | which sounds like what you're already doing; 10g is about 2.5% |
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| 01:25.39 | takahiro | i wish there was a tool that made a partition bootable |
| 01:25.46 | nsadmin | do you have a live linux cd of most any variety? maybe you can build and run debootstrap |
| 01:25.47 | bootris | hey |
| 01:26.14 | nsadmin | there is, fdisk... but it also requires the MBR to have that code on it |
| 01:26.22 | somiaj | takahiro: http://www.pendrivelinux.com/debian-live-flash-drive-install-from-windows/ -- I found that, uses a small program http://launchpad.net/win32-image-writer/0.2/0.2/+download/win32diskimager-RELEASE-0.2-r23-win32.zip to write the image. |
| 01:26.32 | nsadmin | that you get when you fdisk /mbr in dos |
| 01:26.44 | takahiro | somiaj, unfortunatelly my BIOS doesn't support USB-HDD or USB boot |
| 01:27.05 | somiaj | takahiro: oh sure about that? Well at least you found out what the problem is, sounds like you need to use a boot manager. :( |
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| 01:28.42 | takahiro | let me try this plop.at bootmanager |
| 01:28.48 | nsadmin | ok, it sounds like the machine and what you have for it is just far enough apart that you can;t use it... if you cannot even read a usb hd (that's what you mean when you say "no usb hd support in bios"?) then you need a whole new plan |
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| 01:29.35 | nsadmin | One choice you might have is to put the internal hdd into another machine |
| 01:30.19 | takahiro | i have multiple HDDs in the machine |
| 01:30.43 | takahiro | one is windows, another is just a data drive, and that's where im trying to slice off a piece to test linux |
| 01:31.02 | Evollana | takahiro as sad as this sounds you might have to format your USB to fat32 if you did not try that. |
| 01:31.16 | takahiro | Evollana, already tried that |
| 01:31.23 | Evollana | ahh |
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| 01:32.20 | Evollana | takahiro just how old is your mobo? |
| 01:32.56 | takahiro | pretty new |
| 01:33.14 | Evollana | then it should work. |
| 01:33.26 | takahiro | it came with windows 7, i got it from DELL |
| 01:33.49 | nsadmin | Evollana, hi... I'm about to start practicing for gig... I was thinking he could temporarily move install-target hd to more capable machine so he can have more flexibility in installing onto it |
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| 01:34.08 | takahiro | AMD x64 Dual Core 3600+, 4GB ram, Windows 7 64-bit |
| 01:34.21 | nsadmin | Evollana, appreciate you taking over if that's what you want to do :) |
| 01:34.37 | takahiro | i don't know the details about the mobo though, but i do know it doesn't support booting from USB devices |
| 01:34.55 | takahiro | i think it's new but a cheaper model, doesn't have all the nice stuff |
| 01:34.58 | somiaj | how do you know that? |
| 01:35.21 | takahiro | somiaj, that's what the USB-ZIP thing is, it's designed to boot from ZIP drives |
| 01:35.41 | takahiro | somiaj, and when i press F12 to boot from other devices, the USB pen drive never gets listed as even an option to try from |
| 01:35.45 | THE_GFR|WORK | why is this happening |
| 01:35.45 | THE_GFR|WORK | Error mounting: mount exited with exit code 1: helper failed with: |
| 01:35.45 | THE_GFR|WORK | mount: can't find /dev/sdc1 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab |
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| 01:36.13 | nsadmin | THE_GFR|WORK must mount as root |
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| 01:36.36 | THE_GFR|WORK | nsadmin: I'm double clicking it in "computer" |
| 01:36.36 | nsadmin | or make special arrangements, perhaps in /etc/fstab |
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| 01:36.48 | THE_GFR|WORK | nsadmin: what arrangments? |
| 01:37.11 | THE_GFR|WORK | I don't care who mounts it, I just want users to be able to mount it |
| 01:37.21 | nsadmin | can't get into that now, but don't worry, almost everyone here knows about this so you're in good hands |
| 01:37.28 | bootris | The Caffeine Web » Caffeine Poisoning |
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| 01:37.45 | definitelylion | takahiro, i've just stepped in, so forgive me if I'm missing some details, but your goal is to install a 32-bit Debian to test some drivers, is that right? |
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| 01:38.24 | THE_GFR|WORK | nsadmin: thanks for letting me know :) |
| 01:38.30 | takahiro | definitelylion, yep... apparently this modem has some compilable drivers but the drivers crash the kernel in 64-bit mode so i want to try 32-bit |
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| 01:38.53 | bootris | would not be.. |
| 01:39.23 | THE_GFR|WORK | basically if I have no line for that drive in fstab it works to mount it, but it's not accessible how it should be |
| 01:39.26 | takahiro | i'd rather run a 64-bit kernel so i can use all my RAM, but unfortunately, if choosing between internet access and 100% ram, i'd pick intertnet access |
| 01:39.46 | definitelylion | takahiro, gotcha. but you're having problems installing 32-bit Debian in the first place? |
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| 01:40.28 | takahiro | definitelylion, no, im just tired of burning tons and tons of different piles of tiny .ISOs onto 4.7gig DVDs for each different debian version, distribution, etc. |
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| 01:40.45 | Kull | takahiro: then use virtualbox. |
| 01:40.52 | Kull | Crying wornt solve your problem. |
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| 01:42.08 | takahiro | sorry i was just hoping i could get help |
| 01:42.13 | Evollana | Eclipse CDT as an IDE for cross platform C/C++ coding. What do you guys think? Emacs and VI piss my boss off. |
| 01:42.25 | pingouin | does debian squeeze/stable is installable on motherboards with those new strange uefi bios ? |
| 01:42.31 | definitelylion | takahiro, no need to apologize (Kull, loose the attitude?) |
| 01:42.39 | definitelylion | *lose |
| 01:42.41 | pingouin | i mean...lilo/grub/ then boot works ? |
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| 01:46.13 | definitelylion | takahiro, maybe virtualbox isn't such a bad idea, but I have no clue how to set that up. I'm actually a bit amazed that your machine won't boot off a USB stick. even my pre-2000 piece of crap does that ;) |
| 01:46.46 | Kull | takahiro: did you check the BIOS and see if it was just the boot order? |
| 01:46.51 | takahiro | yeah i am suprised too but looks like that is the case... i have a DELL Dimension E521 |
| 01:46.52 | gabesubdo | Evollana: I think it's funny your boss doesn't like emacs/vi |
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| 01:47.15 | takahiro | yeah I looked at the BIOS boot order there's no USB option |
| 01:47.53 | Kull | takahiro: you can boot off of a dvd and install from the USB, just use http://www.plop.at/en/bootmanager.html |
| 01:48.14 | Evollana | gabesubdo he is all emo since we need to port stuff into OS/X and Windows at times. Work with ppl that have never even seen a shell....sigh |
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| 01:49.00 | gabesubdo | Evollana: oh, ugh. I've never used CDT, I only use eclipse for java. |
| 01:49.01 | Kull | Evollana: as the person in charge of the tech problem you are facing, you should be able to convince your boss to give you the proper tool. |
| 01:49.05 | takahiro | im downloading the virtualbox thing, it looks interesting and its free i think |
| 01:49.14 | Kull | takahiro: it is fre. |
| 01:49.43 | bootris | your age.. |
| 01:49.53 | Kull | takahiro: before you start messing with things, READ THE !@#$ING MANUAL. |
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| 01:50.53 | Evollana | kull so true. gabeubdo for Java I really like Eclipse agreed. |
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| 01:51.20 | Kull | takahiro: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0kdX5jlJ7NU |
| 01:51.22 | rudi_s | Hi. Where can I find a boot.img.gz download which I can (GPG) verify? |
| 01:51.59 | THE_GFR|WORK | all I need is r/w access for everyone on ntfs |
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| 01:52.54 | bootris | it's a server side limitation |
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| 01:54.40 | Evollana | pingouin should not be a problem. I prefer to use a BBP but you can use a UEFI...but you sadly need to partition at least 200M in fat32. The GTPfdisk site has lots of info |
| 01:55.23 | pingouin | Evollana: thanks for the tips on GTPfdick, by the way what is BBP ? |
| 01:55.27 | rexer | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:56.02 | Evollana | pingouin Boot Block Partition |
| 01:56.22 | Kull | Black Block partitions wealth :D |
| 01:56.57 | Evollana | Pingouin I dont like my firmware looking right up the rear end of my OS |
| 01:57.18 | pingouin | Evollana: wich GTPfdisk disk url are you lead me on ? there's a bunch of stuff on seeks search |
| 01:58.24 | pingouin | Evollana: yes me neither, i searching a new mobo and all the specs are uefi about bios.... did not know it was by-passable for BBP |
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| 01:59.22 | Kull | http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/using-plop-boot-manager-usb-boot |
| 02:00.22 | Evollana | pingouin think its in the repos called gfdisk. http://www.rodsbooks.com/gdisk/ https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Solid_State_Drives or |
| 02:02.27 | Evollana | pingouin one nice thing about GTP is alignment. Also if you plan to duel boot you dont have to worry about your boot loader ie grub getting messed with by *cough windows* |
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| 02:02.59 | pingouin | no dual boot |
| 02:04.40 | Evollana | pingouin I personally use GTP with just BBP. I don't duel boot and I dont trust UEFI |
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| 02:04.45 | pingouin | dont need anything but debian |
| 02:05.19 | pingouin | i'll check that, i did not knew that we can 'downgrade' to this mode you call BBP on uefi |
| 02:05.40 | pingouin | only had award bios or the other one for now |
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| 02:06.05 | pingouin | but...uefi everywhere on new mobo... |
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| 02:09.05 | Evollana | pingouin The nice thing about GPT is that it dumps that lame msdos partition scheme we still find in *nix. Archlinux has a good article on it |
| 02:09.09 | Evollana | https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/GUID_Partition_Table |
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| 02:12.45 | pingouin | thank you for all the clues Evollana |
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| 02:15.03 | Evollana | pingouin any time. Hate the holier-then-thou types to often found in the *nix world. Ask an honest question and Ill give a straight answer. |
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| 02:16.17 | Evollana | that is if I know the answer myself. |
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| 02:16.53 | pingouin | to be honest....i think i gonna wait the next stable to upgrade, hope the dev will add all the stuff to install easily on uefi/gpt |
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| 02:18.39 | snadge | im getting desperate here.. why would dpkg-buildpackage be ignoring my -j9 option ? |
| 02:18.53 | snadge | ive also tried setting: DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS=parallel=9 |
| 02:18.53 | karlpinc | pingouin: Did yo check the install guide? |
| 02:19.06 | snadge | no matter what i do.. it continues to build with a single thread.. sigh |
| 02:19.11 | snadge | its trolling me |
| 02:19.19 | karlpinc | Evollana: UEFI is the bios replacement? Sounds like a giant security hole to me. |
| 02:19.36 | Evollana | pingouin that would be nice but I have a feeling that since UEFI needs a >=200M fat32 partition to it wont happen anytime soon. You can thank the mobo manufacturers for that. |
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| 02:21.56 | Evollana | karlpinc in short you have do not use a MBR and your BIOS is read off the drive. You can have tons of primary partitions (not just 4) and your boot times should be faster, expressively if your using a ssd. |
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| 02:22.46 | pingouin | karlpinc: wich part ? |
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| 02:26.07 | snadge | so nobody knows how to force a parallel build? |
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| 02:26.40 | pingouin | karlpinc: i dont remenber seeing something about uefi/install/GPT, but i surely miss it as i did not have a uefi bios mobo at this time |
| 02:27.23 | pingouin | but if you have clue i'll be happy to read about, thank you |
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| 02:27.57 | snadge | rages |
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| 02:29.24 | snadge | fine i'll just build with one thread then on my 8 core cpu.. because debian is fucking retarded |
| 02:30.26 | pingouin | i build stuff with -j8 too, it works, but never dpkg-buildpackage |
| 02:30.48 | snadge | ive tried googling obviously.. and dpkg-buildpackage allegedly supports -j parameter |
| 02:31.06 | snadge | as well as some DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS=parallel= parameter |
| 02:31.13 | pingouin | syntax maybe ? |
| 02:31.14 | snadge | but the package im trying to build appears to ignore both |
| 02:31.34 | snadge | if i build with make -jn it works fine |
| 02:31.40 | pingouin | i often got syntax troubles with ffmpeg.... |
| 02:31.49 | pingouin | i took time to succeed... |
| 02:32.25 | pingouin | but i never forget after... :) |
| 02:32.42 | snadge | its no big deal.. it just means it takes 8 times longer to build the debian package |
| 02:32.45 | snadge | as it does to just build it |
| 02:32.49 | snadge | :P |
| 02:33.14 | pingouin | yeah frustrating i understand.... i do video with ffmpeg.... 8 cores are great.... |
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| 02:33.48 | boudiccas | pingouin; write it up in your blog to remind you for the future, and to possibly help others too |
| 02:34.24 | pingouin | boudiccas: i'm old fashionned...i do not have blog....but a moleskine.... ;) |
| 02:35.00 | pingouin | and sometimes...a brain that almost work. |
| 02:35.02 | boudiccas | i use a moleskine too, wouldnt be without now, but i use a blog for all technical stuff and just publish it online |
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| 02:42.00 | Erik9154 | Hello. I'm having a problem with upgrading from squeeze to wheezy. The problem I'm trying to solve right now is at the bottom of the following link: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=75126&start=15 |
| 02:42.02 | bootris | without changing pitch |
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| 02:42.23 | Erik9154 | I'm wondering if I should run the command before I upgrade and how I should run the command. |
| 02:42.31 | Erik9154 | Any help would be much appreciated. |
| 02:42.51 | bootris | you dont feel angry very often on antipsychotics and if you have hallucination or delusion problems they help with those |
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| 02:48.07 | pingouin | good night/day all |
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| 02:50.32 | Erik9154 | Any ideas anyone? Should I go ahead and run it? |
| 02:50.45 | bootris | in general.. the xkcd dude does it.. I have to work on a project with this chick. I should probably get stoned beforehand.. because girls always love guys who are baked out of their heads.. it's a fucking scientific law |
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| 02:55.20 | kkerwin | Hi. Can anyone help me in mounting an iso image of a dvd? |
| 02:56.09 | epsilon | try mount with option loop |
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| 02:56.54 | kkerwin | epsilon: My command is: sudo mount -o loop rzr-fsxf.iso iso |
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| 02:57.14 | kkerwin | My output is: "wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/loop0 |
| 02:57.46 | Growly | try -t iso<thatnumberican'tremember> |
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| 02:58.02 | Growly | 9660? |
| 02:58.22 | Growly | mount -t iso9660 -o loop asdf.iso iso_folder/ |
| 02:58.36 | epsilon | 9660 should be autodetected, doesnt it? |
| 02:58.49 | kkerwin | It should be. |
| 02:59.02 | _test | x |
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| 02:59.08 | epsilon | what's the iso file from? |
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| 02:59.59 | kkerwin | epsilon: Trying to install MS Flight Sim X. My disc drive is busted on the computer that I want to install it on, so I downloaded an ISO, and plan to use my keycode to use it. |
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| 03:00.20 | zykotick9 | kkerwin: try running "file asdf.iso" do you get "ISO 9660 CD-ROM filesystem data" returned? |
| 03:00.43 | kkerwin | It's a UDF file system. |
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| 03:01.28 | kkerwin | When I try mounting with the -t udf option, it stil fails. |
| 03:01.33 | kkerwin | s/stil/still/ |
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| 03:02.34 | epsilon | the file may be just broken |
| 03:02.56 | kkerwin | Damn. |
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| 03:03.13 | kkerwin | Is there any way to unzip an iso? |
| 03:03.14 | epsilon | dont you have any other box with working disc drive? |
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| 03:03.29 | kkerwin | epsilon: Actually, no. At least not with a DVD drive. |
| 03:03.45 | kkerwin | Both of my boxes with DVD drives have had accidents. |
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| 03:03.56 | ksk | ? |
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| 03:04.04 | kkerwin | Amazingly, only the disk drive was affected on each. |
| 03:04.05 | ksk | mount the iso and copy the files u need!? |
| 03:04.17 | ksk | ah sry |
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| 03:04.19 | ksk | nvm.. |
| 03:04.20 | kkerwin | ksk: That's the problem: we can't mount the iso. |
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| 03:04.26 | kkerwin | ksk: No worries. :-D |
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| 03:05.21 | epsilon | I'd buy a new drive for 20 Bucks instead dealing with dowsloaded files... |
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| 03:05.42 | ksk | windows packaging utilities like winrar or 7-zip can "unzip" an iso |
| 03:05.58 | lzyPractice | hey, anyone know what script is running the: "creating /etc/ssl/certs/java/cacerts..." when doing apt-get? |
| 03:05.59 | ksk | no idea which unix tool can.. |
| 03:06.40 | lzyPractice | Java is failing under a VPS |
| 03:06.41 | epsilon | lzyPractice: (post) install script? |
| 03:06.46 | kkerwin | epsilon: Ya. I may have to do that ... |
| 03:07.19 | kkerwin | I'm running a SHA1 now to look for corruption. Halfway through, and still nothing. |
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| 03:08.40 | lzyPractice | epsilon, post.. where? |
| 03:08.40 | prince_jammys | ksk: one way is to mount it. |
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| 03:09.30 | kkerwin | No corruption. Damn. |
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| 03:14.43 | lzyPractice | I need to limit the usage of memory for java, apt-get install just fires up java somewhere setting up ca-certificates-java. So where is this done? |
| 03:16.15 | epsilon | how many mem so you have? |
| 03:16.19 | epsilon | *do |
| 03:16.20 | lzyPractice | Or is there another way of doing it? |
| 03:17.00 | lzyPractice | Doesn't matter, the prob is that I'm on a VPN and java just assumes I'm using the entire memory of the server but I only got a chunk of it |
| 03:17.01 | epsilon | I'd increase the limit, if you even can't install java, you won't be able to run java app anyway |
| 03:18.24 | lzyPractice | According to the endless reports I've been reading that won't solve the issue |
| 03:18.35 | alfplayer | lzyPractice: it freezes there? |
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| 03:18.49 | lzyPractice | no, apt-get spits out error |
| 03:19.03 | alfplayer | lzyPractice: the error is... |
| 03:19.10 | lzyPractice | gonna go out on a whim here and just paste it... |
| 03:19.12 | lzyPractice | Setting up ca-certificates-java (20100412) ... |
| 03:19.18 | lzyPractice | creating /etc/ssl/certs/java/cacerts... |
| 03:19.23 | lzyPractice | Could not create the Java virtual machine. |
| 03:19.29 | lzyPractice | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:19.30 | lzyPractice | etc |
| 03:19.42 | lzyPractice | failed (VM used: java-6-openjdk). |
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| 03:20.49 | cantido | lzyPractice: "java just assumes I'm using the entire memory" .. ugh, no it doesnt |
| 03:20.53 | cantido | lzyPractice: you set the max heap etc |
| 03:21.16 | lzyPractice | Yeah? |
| 03:21.26 | cantido | Yes |
| 03:21.38 | lzyPractice | oh yeah? |
| 03:21.56 | cantido | java's memory usage is configurable |
| 03:22.01 | alfplayer | lzyPractice: i read it was fixed in ubuntu |
| 03:22.06 | alfplayer | are you up-to-date? |
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| 03:22.37 | lzyPractice | can't do apt-get update since it's failing |
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| 03:22.55 | lzyPractice | I wanna find the install script and manually add -Xmx128 |
| 03:23.30 | alfplayer | someone says: "i just edited the the error flag in /var/lib/dpkg/info/ca-certificates-java.postinst so that it diddnt error" |
| 03:23.33 | ksk | haha |
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| 03:23.50 | ksk | ye, thats a nice tingy about java^^ |
| 03:23.57 | alfplayer | "This diddnt make it work, but it did allow me to remove the ca-certificates-java package" |
| 03:24.22 | cantido | lzyPractice: the scripts are in /var/lib/dpkg/info .. |
| 03:24.27 | alfplayer | that would allow to upgrade |
| 03:24.28 | cantido | ksk: what thing? |
| 03:24.49 | ksk | java-fail because of low memory |
| 03:24.58 | ksk | and no swap |
| 03:25.10 | cantido | ksk: how is that different to an application failing because of malloc failing? |
| 03:25.33 | alfplayer | it says the failure is because no cmov instruction :) |
| 03:25.39 | ksk | im not into that so you might be right ;) |
| 03:26.12 | ksk | but its the only thing that has been annoying using Openvz CTs with low memory |
| 03:26.43 | cantido | ksk: you have the same issues when the hypervisor cant allocate the vm real memory.. i.e. too many vms, too little real memory |
| 03:27.03 | cantido | ksk: that isn't really anyone's fault but the idiot that oversells vms |
| 03:27.03 | ksk | and kinda strange to "malloc"? 1024M to genarate an ssl certificate? |
| 03:27.34 | ksk | why oversell? O_o |
| 03:27.58 | cantido | ksk: thats what most vps providers do |
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| 03:28.31 | ksk | ye sure, but thats not the point in what i meant |
| 03:28.55 | cantido | if it is setting the heap size to 1024 its probably because it was failing before because of a small heap and someone thought "lets set it to 1024mb, that should never ever fail" |
| 03:29.08 | ksk | i just had the experience you cannot use java with eg <1024M of ram, or you have to manuallyadd these -xmx settings to the application |
| 03:29.21 | cantido | of course, if you dont have 1024mb of real memory or swap thats going to fail |
| 03:29.51 | cantido | ksk: "java" runs on smart cards with kb of ram.. |
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| 03:30.06 | ksk | okay:> |
| 03:30.09 | MWallaceSD2 | Hi I have an incident with my sound system, the ALSA is not working properly. Here is the dmesg output: http://paste.debian.net/153947/ |
| 03:30.10 | alfplayer | :) |
| 03:30.55 | MWallaceSD2 | The command alsaconf is returning that does not exist. Command not found |
| 03:31.26 | MWallaceSD2 | What I have to do? |
| 03:31.46 | alfplayer | MWallaceSD2: what's the hardware? |
| 03:32.29 | MWallaceSD2 | AC'97 sound card in a very old notebook HPze5600 |
| 03:32.50 | cantido | MWallaceSD2: have you got the alsa-base (I think) package installed? |
| 03:33.49 | alfplayer | many notebook need alsa options configured, did you check this? |
| 03:33.59 | alfplayer | *notebooks |
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| 03:35.00 | cantido | alsa has just worked for me for the past 4 years on notebooks.. |
| 03:35.07 | MWallaceSD2 | Yes, I have installed it, and olso I installed alsa-utils and alsa-source cantido. |
| 03:35.09 | cantido | if its crazy old thats a different matter |
| 03:35.37 | MWallaceSD2 | The command alsamixer is working properly but there is no sound in this notebook. |
| 03:36.07 | cantido | MWallaceSD2: is there anything else about mixers in dmesg? |
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| 03:36.54 | MWallaceSD2 | Yes cantido, it is: [ 18.668271] ali mixer 1 creating error. |
| 03:37.13 | cantido | MWallaceSD2: is there anything about a mixer 0? |
| 03:37.25 | cantido | or just mixer 1? |
| 03:37.31 | dansan | is there a way to install debian onto an existing device without formatting it? |
| 03:37.48 | dansan | I can do this with Gentoo, so I figure there must be a way to do it with debian |
| 03:37.57 | cantido | dansan: the installer can do that.. or you can use debootstrap |
| 03:38.11 | alfplayer | dansan: do you mean debian over debian? |
| 03:38.16 | cantido | dansan: there is a option "dont format" in the partitioner |
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| 03:38.53 | MWallaceSD2 | No it isn't cantido just abou mixer 1, look this line: [ 1641.204053] AC'97 1 access is not valid [0xffffffff], removing mixer. |
| 03:39.01 | dansan | alfplayer, I have a semi-debian OS installed now (it was Mint, slightly bastardized to be more debian, but I apparently need to install from scratch to get back to true debian) |
| 03:39.05 | Fah | You can convert from one distro to. Debian, but it can be tricky |
| 03:39.23 | cantido | MWallaceSD2: the only thing I can suggest is googling those messages and see if someone else has had the same issue |
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| 03:39.31 | dansan | cantido: ok. I can run the installer from an existing kernel or do I have to reboot? (i.e., in a chroot jail)? |
| 03:40.07 | cantido | dansan: the install you would boot from a cd, usb media etc.. debootstrap can run in the running system |
| 03:40.26 | cantido | dansan: you will need to do some setup yourself though.. i.e. network interfaces |
| 03:40.34 | alfplayer | debootstrap is very easy to use, you can try that first imo |
| 03:40.39 | dansan | cantido: ooh, and I can install debian from deboosttrap? |
| 03:40.45 | dansan | right |
| 03:40.47 | dansan | thanks :) |
| 03:40.58 | cantido | dansan: yeah, but I'm not sure what happens when you install debian over something else.. |
| 03:41.08 | alfplayer | dansan: like this http://robindavid.comli.com/?p=510 |
| 03:41.24 | cantido | dansan: you should boot with some other media, move everything in / to a sub directory and install debian.. then move data back |
| 03:41.26 | dansan | cantido: I would move the directories out of the way 1st. otherwise,, it gets very ugly |
| 03:41.36 | cantido | dansan: yeah exactly |
| 03:41.57 | dansan | yeah, as far as I'm concerned, never install a *nix OS over its self unless you know what you're doing |
| 03:42.15 | cantido | dansan: debootstrap will give you all the files you need to fo a debian system.. but you will need to make sure you setup grub etc after that |
| 03:42.27 | MWallaceSD2 | Thanks cantido. |
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| 03:43.04 | cantido | MWallaceSD2: maybe post a message on the alsa mailing list too |
| 03:43.08 | dansan | cantido: I think I'm actually good on my bootloader though, I have a debian kernel now, I just need to mess with what's in my root file system |
| 03:43.26 | cantido | dansan: well, just dont move /boot then :) |
| 03:43.27 | alfplayer | grub setup is there on that blog post, i haven't tried that step though |
| 03:43.50 | cantido | once you have the debian rootfs booted installing grub should be easier |
| 03:44.03 | cantido | installing it while in a chroot can be taxing |
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| 03:44.41 | dansan | cantido: ok. I'm probably going to setup a Gentoo chroot eventually as well. |
| 03:44.58 | cantido | dansan: have you used linux containers? |
| 03:45.01 | alfplayer | my mistake, not really, that's for installing to a partition |
| 03:45.17 | cantido | dansan: you could have gentoo running at the same time as debian ;) |
| 03:45.19 | dansan | cantido: no, I haven't |
| 03:45.25 | dansan | oooh |
| 03:45.41 | cantido | dansan: its basically chroot++ |
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| 03:46.11 | dansan | thanks! I'll bookmark this one |
| 03:46.17 | dansan | it looks like an important tool for me |
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| 03:46.54 | dansan | So off topic, anybody know how far along the GNU Herd kernel is? |
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| 03:47.45 | cantido | dansan: far from worth using I guess |
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| 03:48.19 | dansan | I was suspecting so. it sounds very intersting however |
| 03:48.37 | cantido | you could try it in qemu |
| 03:48.48 | cantido | probably easier than finding hardware it works with |
| 03:49.12 | dansan | ooh, there's already a Debian/ GNU Hurd disto: http://www.gnu.org/software/hurd/hurd/running/debian.html |
| 03:49.16 | |DM| | how to get a list of all running services, for example apache? |
| 03:49.24 | |DM| | because ps doesnt list it running, even when it is |
| 03:49.29 | cantido | dansan: yep, there is a freebsd port too |
| 03:49.55 | dansan | |DM|: that's because some services don't have processes that run as daemons. Apache might be running off of inetd |
| 03:50.16 | dansan | |DM|: but I second your question: How do you get a list of all running services? |
| 03:50.27 | alfplayer | |DM|: service --status-all |
| 03:50.31 | dansan | thanks :) |
| 03:50.41 | |DM| | thanks |
| 03:50.54 | cantido | ps awux .. |
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| 03:55.42 | karlpinc | netstat -l |
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| 04:02.36 | dansan | hmm, how do you downgrade a package? I'm not sure if I ended up with this later version due to having had mint on here last year or from general screwing around with it, but I have a few packages installed where the available is an older version and I need the -dbg or -dev packages for them |
| 04:02.50 | dvs | !downgrade |
| 04:02.50 | dpkg | [downgrade] Downgrading is not possible with apt-get/aptitude and no future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. See also <partial downgrade>, <unstable->testing>, <sdo>. |
| 04:04.07 | dansan | thanks dvs |
| 04:04.12 | dvs | np |
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| 04:04.27 | dansan | I just need to downgrade libz |
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| 04:04.54 | dansan | !partial downgrade |
| 04:04.55 | dpkg | This may or may not work for you, but if you've got nothing to lose then try it. (a) Change sources.list (b) aptitude update (c) aptitude and then search for the upgraded packages, hit enter on them, select the correct version (d) do the same for libc6 (e) search for broken packages by hitting "/" and searching for "~b" and then fix them in the same way (f) once you have no more broken packages, hit 'g' See <not available> |
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| 04:24.42 | dansan | dvs: sweet, the downgrade trick worked |
| 04:25.12 | gregounours | Hi gang. Anybody here familiar with backlight management on lCD panels? It works right now on my system, and that's kind of mirculous considering that I am running Wheezy on a ppc mac but I would like to have the screen even darker than the lowest setting in /sys/class/backlight/nviviabl0/brightness. |
| 04:25.18 | dvs | cool |
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| 04:28.27 | gregounours | My understanding is that the backlight curve can be edited. Right now brightness takes an integer between 0 and 127 but that follows a curve. I have it at 1 and it is still bright (for a dark room) if I put zero it just goes off entirely. I know it is possible harwarewise because under os X it's doable on that same machine. |
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| 04:37.09 | Some_Person | How can I quickly/easily make a USB stick with memtest86+? |
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| 04:39.57 | dvs | Some_Person: http://www.memtest.org/#downiso |
| 04:40.32 | Some_Person | dvs: Yes, but how do I get it on a USB stick? I tried unetbootin with it, but it didn |
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| 04:40.45 | Some_Person | 't load correctly (just got stuck at the unetbootin menu) |
| 04:40.55 | un214 | anybody got a mono 2.10.8 package? |
| 04:41.41 | Kull | un214: http://linux.softpedia.com/get/Internet/HTTP-WWW-/Mono-Project-504.shtml doesnt seem too legit |
| 04:42.30 | somiaj | un214: for what debian system, and what you need this for, seems 2.10.5 is the version is sid (unstable) |
| 04:42.41 | Kull | un214: arch has it in the AUR |
| 04:42.43 | Kull | http://www.archlinux.org/packages/extra/i686/mono/ |
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| 04:42.48 | Kull | mono 2.10.8-1 |
| 04:42.54 | un214 | I've got squeezy |
| 04:42.58 | un214 | x64 |
| 04:43.41 | Kull | http://download.mono-project.com/sources/mono/mono-2.10.8.tar.gz |
| 04:43.44 | somiaj | un214: you can compile it from source, there are ways to turn upstream sources into custom deb pacakages. If the version in sid (2.10.5) is enough for you, you could make a backport fairly easy. |
| 04:43.47 | tmm1 | i upgraded from 2.6.26-2-amd64 to 2.6.32-bpo.5-amd64 on a lenny machine and load avg reporting has changed drastically.. i can't seem to find any references to the scheduler or load avg formula changing |
| 04:43.58 | un214 | somiaj: I'll try that |
| 04:44.02 | Kull | un214: http://download.mono-project.com/sources/mono/ |
| 04:44.04 | un214 | !backports |
| 04:44.04 | dpkg | A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
| 04:44.09 | un214 | Kull: yes I found that |
| 04:44.24 | Kull | So... install it! |
| 04:44.39 | Kull | http://www.integratedwebsystems.com/2011/08/install-mono-2-10-3-on-ubuntu-using-bash-script/ |
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| 04:44.42 | Kull | This will show you how |
| 04:44.49 | Kull | It says Ubuntu but its the same steps. |
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| 04:45.06 | somiaj | !tell un214 about ssbp |
| 04:45.21 | somiaj | un214: set of steps to make your own backport from the sid version |
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| 04:49.02 | un214 | the directions list uupdate, but I can't seem to figure out what package that's in |
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| 04:57.58 | un214 | *crunch* |
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| 05:01.48 | un214 | on a completely unrelated note, I got a wine 1.0 package from debian long ago |
| 05:01.59 | un214 | anybody know which version in case I have to roll back? |
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| 05:04.11 | un214 | anyway, merge clean to 2.10.8 on squeezy |
| 05:04.25 | un214 | when I end up with packages like this I kind of like to post them but no place :( |
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| 05:06.48 | boudiccas | ,versions wine |
| 05:06.50 | judd | Package: wine on i386 -- lenny: 1.0.1-1; squeeze: 1.0.1-3.1; sid: 1.0.1-3.4; experimental: 1.1.24-2 |
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| 05:16.46 | un214 | ah so it is there still |
| 05:16.56 | un214 | I had heard that squeeze didn't have it at all. sorry. |
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| 06:14.35 | takahiro | dpkg, x windows? |
| 06:14.51 | takahiro | dpkg, install x windows package? |
| 06:14.53 | dpkg | takahiro: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
| 06:14.57 | simonlnu | dpkg: xwindows |
| 06:14.58 | dpkg | X Windows is NOT the name of it. It's simply called X, X11, the X Window System, etc. Do a "man X" for more. < Zxcvb> X + KDE/Gnome + Codeweavers Wine == X-windows, or ask me about x windows trap |
| 06:15.08 | simonlnu | !xorg |
| 06:15.09 | dpkg | X.Org X11 is the reference implementation of the X Window System, forked from XFree86 4.4RC2 and first included in Debian <Etch>. The release packaged for Squeeze is X11R7.5. To install, ask me about <install x>. To configure, ask me about <xorg config>. To remove, ask about <remove x>. Backports for Squeeze are available, ask about <bdo xorg>. http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg http://www.x.org/wiki/FAQ #xorg on irc.freenode.net. |
| 06:15.35 | simonlnu | you can also use /msg dpkg if you're in the channel |
| 06:16.40 | takahiro | yeah i tried that but dpkg didn't respond, i think i just put the wrong command |
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| 06:20.40 | simonlnu | yes. it won't respond or say something like "i don't know, is it larger than a breadbox?" or something like that. |
| 06:21.11 | takahiro | what do i do after i install xorg? i have to configure some kind of xserver.conf file right? |
| 06:21.39 | takahiro | i did this like 8 years ago, it's been a long time since i messed with x |
| 06:23.38 | takahiro | uh-oh i screwed up :( |
| 06:24.00 | takahiro | i ran Xorg and now i get a blank screen |
| 06:26.20 | takahiro | reboot ftw |
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| 06:29.59 | takahiro | if i want to run startx on boot, do i add a script to /etc/init.d ? |
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| 06:55.59 | somiaj | takahiro: best to add a display manager |
| 06:56.00 | somiaj | !dm |
| 06:56.00 | dpkg | DM means Display Manager, the app that brings up a graphical login screen and starts your login session. <xdm>, <gdm>, <kdm>, <wdm>, pdm, login.app and <slim> are all examples of display managers. Ask me about <nodm> if you want to disable the DM. Or Debian Maintainer: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianMaintainer . For the Debian Multimedia repository, ask me about <dmm>. |
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| 06:58.50 | takahiro | thanks somiaj |
| 07:00.17 | takahiro | dpkg, iceweasel flash? |
| 07:00.18 | dpkg | takahiro: I give up, what is it? |
| 07:00.31 | somiaj | !flash nonfree |
| 07:00.44 | somiaj | takahiro: install the flash-nonfree package from tne non-free repo |
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| 07:00.56 | somiaj | oh wait, it is flashplugin-nonfree |
| 07:01.22 | somiaj | (and it is actually in the contrib repo) |
| 07:01.49 | takahiro | i added contrib to my deb line, and it syas "Package flashplugin-nonfree is not available, but is referred to by another package" |
| 07:02.33 | somiaj | did you update (aptitidue update) first? |
| 07:02.53 | takahiro | yep |
| 07:03.08 | takahiro | im on squeeze, maybe its not available? |
| 07:03.20 | somiaj | ,versions flashplugin-nonfree |
| 07:03.21 | judd | Package: flashplugin-nonfree on i386 -- squeeze/contrib: 1:2.8.2; lenny-backports/contrib: 1:2.8.3~bpo50+1; sid/contrib: 1:2.8.3; wheezy/contrib: 1:2.8.3 |
| 07:03.30 | somiaj | it is there |
| 07:03.45 | takahiro | oh i know |
| 07:03.53 | takahiro | i messed up and put the contrib on the wrong deb line |
| 07:04.37 | cardamon | My mirror looks like it's having trouble. mirror.debian.org/status.html says it's down, confirming the problem's not on my end, but my attempt to point to another mirror by just replacing the main domain of the url didn't work because now I get 404. |
| 07:04.56 | takahiro | ls |
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| 07:05.46 | cardamon | I get messages like "Failed to fetch http://ftp-mirror.internap.com/pub/debian/dists/wheezy/main/source/Sources 404 Not Found" |
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| 07:06.09 | somiaj | cardamon: have you updated your sources? |
| 07:06.20 | cardamon | somiaj: That's what gives me the error. |
| 07:06.58 | somiaj | http://www.debian.org/mirror/list -- I don't reconize the mirror you listed, try another one |
| 07:07.00 | cardamon | somiaj: wait do you mean $source /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
| 07:07.34 | cardamon | meh, no, that's not a bash script...it doesn't care... |
| 07:07.44 | somiaj | cardamon: no I though you were just trying to install a package whose version had changed. |
| 07:07.54 | somiaj | /etc/apt/sources.list is a config file that lists the sources you want to use |
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| 07:08.13 | cardamon | somiaj: No, I'm trying to change mirrors because gatech's mirror is down. |
| 07:09.10 | somiaj | well put a copy of your /etc/apt/sources.list on a pastebin |
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| 07:10.40 | cardamon | somiaj: http://paste.debian.net/153950/ |
| 07:11.33 | cardamon | and I don't have netselect-apt, and because my mirrors aren't configured right, can't get it. |
| 07:11.42 | cardamon | At least not the usual way. |
| 07:12.16 | somiaj | cardamon: hmm, have you tried the ftp.<country code>.debian.org mirror? |
| 07:12.32 | somiaj | I use deb ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ sid main contrib non-free -- but replace the 'us' with your country code |
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| 07:19.53 | somiaj | cardamon: taking a closer look at the mirror you choose, seems they don't have wheezy on that mirror |
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| 07:31.04 | josh9 | i want to clone my entire disk. i understand that dd can do that. if i have 320GB drive, does it mean I need usb drive with 320GB for the clone? |
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| 07:31.36 | josh9 | or do i just need the size of the actual data i have? |
| 07:31.59 | somiaj | josh9: dd will clone the actual filesystem, so you need to have space for the whole file system |
| 07:32.19 | somiaj | josh9: you can use rsync (or cp -a) and just copy the files if you want to only used the used size |
| 07:32.49 | somiaj | though be careful as you don't want to add tmp filesystems and the like (such as /dev /proc /sys) to your backup if you choose to just copy/tar the files |
| 07:33.28 | josh9 | somiaj: i want to have identical clone, so i can easily bring my laptop back to it's state if i need to. |
| 07:33.54 | josh9 | so i think rsync is not good for that. but i am not sure. |
| 07:34.16 | somiaj | linux does everything as files, so copying the files is fine. |
| 07:34.51 | somiaj | is this a one time copy or do you want set up a regular backup? |
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| 07:35.07 | josh9 | somiaj: i guess once in a month will be fine |
| 07:35.27 | somiaj | josh9: I'd suggest using a live usb stick and just rsyninc the root partition (and any other actual parititon y ou want to back up) |
| 07:36.43 | somiaj | I just prefer to do that form a live boot so I don't have to worry about the tmpfs mounted systems or files being accessed/cahced and changed durning the copy |
| 07:37.41 | josh9 | somiaj: does it matter what distro is the live boot? |
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| 07:37.58 | somiaj | nope |
| 07:38.17 | somiaj | you know live.debian.net has for major debian live images though for different desktops |
| 07:38.58 | somiaj | the live boot will need to have all the tools such as rsync, ability to read/mount the file system |
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| 07:40.04 | josh9 | somiaj: is it this link? http://live.debian.net/devel/live-boot/ |
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| 07:40.26 | somiaj | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/release/current-live/ |
| 07:40.55 | somiaj | I'd pick i386 -- the iso-hybrid images are the default. Pick the desktop you like (I suggest the lxde one for simplicity) |
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| 07:41.39 | NotJimCarrey | hmm, anyone know how to virtualize a currently installed debian using something like vmware? |
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| 07:45.04 | josh9 | somiaj: i like the standard. i use awesomeWM. so i boot from the live cd, insert the usb stick with enough space for my backup, and run rsync? |
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| 07:46.21 | somiaj | josh9: with the you will have to mount both the root partition (and any others you want to backup) and have a place to copy them to on the usb drive. Also make sure you are using a linux file system on the usb drive cause you want to preserve primissions |
| 07:46.59 | somiaj | josh9: but yes the data can be coppied around just fine provided you preserve links/permissions |
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| 07:48.59 | josh9 | somiaj: ifdisk -l shows me sda1(linux), sda2(extended) and sda5(swap). do i only need the sda1? |
| 07:49.08 | somiaj | correct |
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| 07:49.44 | josh9 | somiaj: ok. what do u mean by 'mount the root partition'? |
| 07:50.18 | somiaj | josh9: mount /dev/sda1 /foo |
| 07:50.20 | josh9 | somiaj: why can't i run rsync right away (assuming i know all the parameters for preseving premissions) |
| 07:50.38 | somiaj | josh9: because you have to mount the file system you want to rsync |
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| 07:51.44 | josh9 | somiaj: usualy i mount when i insert a usb drive/stick. not sure why i need to mount in our situation. |
| 07:52.04 | josh9 | somiaj: i am going to mount the empty usb stick of course. |
| 07:52.11 | josh9 | but that's what i always do. |
| 07:52.33 | somiaj | josh9: I'm just not assuming automouting. But when you boot up on the live system, the file systems may not be mounted by default. |
| 07:52.41 | josh9 | oh |
| 07:53.45 | josh9 | i guess my next step is to find all the arguments to pass to rsync, and all the tmp filsystems you mentioned earlier. |
| 07:54.21 | somiaj | 'rsync -av' is what I use, -a is all the common ones to archive, and v is verbose. If you don't want to see what it is copying take away the v) |
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| 07:56.59 | josh9 | somiaj: nice, so it will take care of all the tmp files i don't need? |
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| 07:57.56 | somiaj | josh9: that was the point of booting up off the live system. So you are just copying the data on the root partition and not worrying about all the stuff that is mounted on top of it like /proc /dev /sys etc |
| 07:58.53 | josh9 | somiaj: nice! is that all the line i see when i type 'mount'? |
| 07:59.10 | josh9 | lines |
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| 07:59.45 | somiaj | hmm, didn't think of that. Way to go man page (gues you could just mount another copy of the root partition elsewhere on a running system, though what worry do you have about the cache and running processes during the copy...) |
| 08:00.12 | somiaj | josh9: yea a lot of those are tmp file systems related with info about your hardware |
| 08:00.22 | somiaj | and running os |
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| 08:02.49 | josh9 | somiaj: i am confused with your last comment. do u think there is an easier way to do that without the live usb? |
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| 08:04.38 | somiaj | josh9: I woudln't say easier, but from a running system. Though I like the idea of the os not running durning the backup. |
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| 08:06.17 | josh9 | somiaj: ok. let's say i need to restore my machine from a backup. do i need to install the same debian version i had and run rsync again? |
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| 08:06.47 | valdyn | josh9: its not a proper backup if you need to install debian before you restore |
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| 08:07.47 | josh9 | somiaj: will this backup take care of all the installed packages? |
| 08:07.49 | somiaj | josh9: to restore you will take your liveusb, from the live system, copy the data back onto your root partition with rsync (you may have to mess with partitions/create the file system depending on restore reasons) |
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| 08:08.22 | somiaj | josh9: and again depending on the situation you may have to chroot into the install after you copy it and rerun grub so it will boot |
| 08:08.49 | somiaj | you could even say take this install copy it onto another computer/hard drive, get the boot loader working and it would run (provided similar base hardware for the kernel) |
| 08:09.44 | meta-coder | 6.0.4 released |
| 08:09.54 | somiaj | correct, check /topic (: |
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| 08:10.23 | josh9 | somiaj: thanks! |
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| 08:13.23 | somiaj | josh9: so your install is just a collection of flies on your root partition. We are just using the live system to say copy/restore these files to limit issues with other filesystems mounted inside the root file system (such as the memory ones) and programs running/accessing the filesystem during the copy/backup |
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| 08:14.24 | somiaj | josh9: there are ways to do this on running systems, but using a live system is nice as having one around is useful come the time you need to use this to restore it. |
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| 08:15.48 | josh9 | somiaj: what would be the rsync command i would use for restoring it? also, i don't have the knowledge about chtooting or rerunning grub... |
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| 08:16.13 | somiaj | josh9: the same one, just rsync -av /source/path /dest/path |
| 08:16.20 | somiaj | but your source and dest are reversed |
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| 08:18.12 | josh9 | somiaj: something like this? rsync -av /media/usb /dev/sda1 |
| 08:18.14 | somiaj | josh9: well once you make the back up you could destroy your partition table on your hd, and go though the process of restoring the system as if you had a new hard drive (so create a partition table, create the file systems (including swap), copying the files, chrooting into the system and then installing grub [basically that is worse case senerio that your hd goes and you replace it] |
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| 08:18.33 | somiaj | josh9: no, /dev/sda1 is not a file system it is a device, your root file system would be mounted somewhere |
| 08:18.44 | josh9 | somiaj: /foo |
| 08:18.47 | somiaj | josh9: rsync -av /media/usb /media/hd_partition |
| 08:18.51 | somiaj | or wherever you mounted it |
| 08:18.56 | josh9 | right |
| 08:19.06 | josh9 | mount /dev/usb1 /foo |
| 08:19.18 | somiaj | josh9: well mount /dev/sda1 /foo |
| 08:19.32 | josh9 | yeah |
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| 08:44.12 | |DM| | is there a way to set ctime? |
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| 08:45.39 | pksadiq` | |DM|: touch ? not sure |
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| 08:45.52 | |DM| | touch updates mtime and atime |
| 08:47.33 | somiaj | |DM|: http://fixunix.com/debian/121676-how-change-ctime-file.html |
| 08:47.43 | |DM| | danke |
| 08:48.19 | somiaj | though it says you probabaly shouldn't change it |
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| 08:56.21 | SI4 | How can I donate to debian? |
| 08:56.28 | SI4 | is it a non profit org for tax deductions |
| 08:56.29 | SI4 | ? |
| 08:56.36 | technologov | Either code or money :) |
| 08:56.44 | SI4 | yeah i mean money |
| 08:56.57 | technologov | http://www.debian.org/donations |
| 08:57.21 | prince_jammys | yep, you can deduct them. |
| 08:57.56 | SI4 | cool |
| 08:58.11 | SI4 | im donating some money |
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| 08:58.54 | prince_jammys | cool. |
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| 08:59.18 | technologov | I donate 1% of my income to various OSS projects every month |
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| 08:59.48 | technologov | (I mostly target desktop stuff -- because it gets less love from Linux companies, and I need more of it...) |
| 08:59.57 | buhman | how do I resize MBR partitions that contain dm_crypt+lvm2? |
| 09:00.02 | SI4 | my family already donates millions to charities every year |
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| 09:00.06 | SI4 | but it doesnt exactly level the field |
| 09:01.03 | technologov | SI4: a good idea is to make a list of Open-Source projects, that matter to *you*. |
| 09:01.06 | technologov | I did. |
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| 09:01.11 | technologov | -or- I can send my list |
| 09:01.25 | SI4 | please upload it somewhere |
| 09:01.27 | SI4 | i will have a look |
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| 09:02.36 | chaospsychex | well then... |
| 09:02.44 | technologov | SI4, http://pastebin.com/hndVW27w |
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| 09:03.03 | SI4 | I donated to wikipedia |
| 09:03.14 | technologov | yes, WP is one of my targets also |
| 09:03.16 | SI4 | I gave them $200,000 last month |
| 09:03.22 | chaospsychex | lolol |
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| 09:03.44 | chaospsychex | i need a donation of 50k, i run jackapedia |
| 09:03.59 | technologov | Generally there are a lot of companies that develop kernel stuff, but no one cares about the desktop... |
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| 09:04.12 | SI4 | Thanks technologov I will pick a few from this list |
| 09:04.14 | technologov | So here I help |
| 09:04.45 | technologov | No need for large sums... they don't have expenses over $5000 for most projects... |
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| 09:05.11 | technologov | But even $500 bucks raise community's motivation |
| 09:05.21 | technologov | for small projects |
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| 09:07.04 | chaospsychex | where is the font defined for the shell outside of gnome ? |
| 09:07.44 | prince_jammys | chaospsychex: you mean the console font? |
| 09:07.56 | chaospsychex | yes |
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| 09:08.35 | prince_jammys | hm, i think reconfiguring console-setup does this. |
| 09:08.51 | chaospsychex | what font does squeeze use by default? it's different than other distros.....nicer,clearer |
| 09:09.07 | SI4 | whats nis technologov? |
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| 09:09.20 | pksadiq` | chaospsychex: you may set console font using setfont, fonts may be at /usr/share/consolefonts |
| 09:09.24 | prince_jammys | chaospsychex: it ma be terminus. |
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| 09:09.31 | technologov | New Israeli Shekels. (=shekels, =ILS) |
| 09:09.40 | prince_jammys | *may be. at least it is on my system. |
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| 09:09.54 | SI4 | gotcha technologov |
| 09:09.56 | chaospsychex | prince_jammys: how do i increase the font size? |
| 09:10.09 | prince_jammys | see 'dpkg-reconfigure console-setup' |
| 09:10.27 | prince_jammys | you're asked a few questions, including font and size. |
| 09:10.58 | prince_jammys | and see setfont , which i didn't know about. |
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| 09:12.12 | Ecco | Hi everyone |
| 09:12.49 | Ecco | I'm looking for a very, very simple login manager. Basically *all* I want it to do is to log in an user and startx |
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| 09:13.50 | somiaj | I am liking slim, but both xdm and kdm aer simple |
| 09:14.05 | somiaj | not kdm I ment wdm (wings display manager) |
| 09:14.27 | Ecco | Allright |
| 09:14.33 | Ecco | can xdm do autologin ? |
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| 09:14.56 | streuner | Ecco: why do you want startx if you talking about a login manager? |
| 09:15.15 | streuner | oh, just start X? |
| 09:15.22 | Ecco | yes, sorry :) |
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| 09:15.34 | Ecco | And actually I don't really need a "login manager" per se |
| 09:15.50 | Ecco | since I don't want anyone to be able to actually log in but one user who would be logged-in automatically |
| 09:15.58 | somiaj | seems you can make slim autologin for you fairly easy |
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| 09:16.07 | chaospsychex | prince_jammys: i did reconfigure console-setup, do i have to reboot to see the changes? |
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| 09:16.19 | |DM| | "[10:59:56] <SI4> my family already donates millions to charities every year" |
| 09:16.29 | |DM| | 1-I thought the internet was for poor people |
| 09:16.37 | |DM| | 2-familly++ |
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| 09:16.53 | technologov | hmm ^^ Ask Mark Zukerberg :) |
| 09:17.13 | technologov | or The Spaceman (TM) |
| 09:17.29 | technologov | from Ubuntu |
| 09:19.00 | prince_jammys | Ecco: sounds like you are setting up one of those media-boxes. |
| 09:19.42 | prince_jammys | chaospsychex: try restarting one of the ttys. i don't remember. |
| 09:19.44 | Ecco | well, actually no :-) |
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| 09:19.50 | Ecco | I'm just setting-up a laptop |
| 09:19.53 | prince_jammys | ah. |
| 09:20.00 | Ecco | And as I won't put anything too sensitive on it |
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| 09:20.06 | Ecco | autologin would be just fine |
| 09:20.11 | prince_jammys | famous last words! :) |
| 09:20.14 | chaospsychex | prince_jammys: how do you restart a tty? |
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| 09:20.43 | prince_jammys | chaospsychex: i'd try logging in and out of one first. |
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| 09:20.55 | chaospsychex | prince_jammys: did that, font is still the same |
| 09:21.11 | prince_jammys | after that, i'd try actually killing a getty. |
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| 09:21.30 | chaospsychex | killing a getty? |
| 09:21.34 | chaospsychex | 0.o |
| 09:21.36 | chaospsychex | ? |
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| 09:21.52 | chaospsychex | wow |
| 09:22.03 | prince_jammys | what happened? |
| 09:22.26 | chaospsychex | what do you mean by 'killing a getty' ? |
| 09:22.35 | prince_jammys | ps aux|grep getty |
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| 09:22.47 | chaospsychex | wth is getty |
| 09:23.18 | prince_jammys | a process that sets up a tty and runs /bin/login. |
| 09:23.48 | chaospsychex | nope |
| 09:23.50 | chaospsychex | same thing |
| 09:24.08 | chaospsychex | must have to reboot which i can't do untill June 2nd, 2012 8:12pm |
| 09:24.10 | chaospsychex | est |
| 09:24.15 | prince_jammys | fuck it, try rebooting. Or someone with more of a clue chime in. |
| 09:24.28 | prince_jammys | ah, ok, talk to you this summer. |
| 09:24.34 | chaospsychex | hahahahhhahaha |
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| 09:25.43 | prince_jammys | try 'setfont' if you haven't. ''man setfont'' |
| 09:25.51 | chaospsychex | prince_jammys: how can i change the run level at boot? is there a special key i can hold to not boot x ? |
| 09:26.37 | chaospsychex | it can't even find the default font |
| 09:26.38 | somiaj | by default all the run levels are the same on debian |
| 09:26.46 | chaospsychex | somiaj: ? |
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| 09:27.02 | chaospsychex | somiaj: is there a param i can pass to the kernel in grub when i boot and hit E ? |
| 09:27.06 | somiaj | so telling your boot to use a different run level won't change things |
| 09:27.38 | chaospsychex | solution ? |
| 09:27.39 | somiaj | you just don't want X to load by default? |
| 09:27.41 | somiaj | !nodm |
| 09:27.41 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the DM package(s) with "aptitude remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm gdm3 pdm slim". "echo false >/etc/X11/default-display-manager" will also disable the DM, or just hit ctrl-alt-fN to get to a console. nodm is the name of a minimal/automatic display manager (http://www.enricozini.org/sw/nodm/). |
| 09:27.44 | gluesniffmonkey | What driver is recommended AMD Radeon HD 6770M 512 MB with Squeeze? |
| 09:28.18 | chaospsychex | gluesniffmonkey: you don't need that much GPU |
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| 09:28.44 | chaospsychex | i reccomend pawning it |
| 09:28.51 | chaospsychex | for a nice lcd screen |
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| 09:29.20 | gluesniffmonkey | The screen is kinda built-in to the iMac 27 inch. |
| 09:29.22 | somiaj | gluesniffmonkey: have you tried either the fre 'radeon' driver or the non-free fglrx drivers? |
| 09:29.27 | overclucker | chaospsychex: remove quiet splash and add text to grub kernel line |
| 09:29.43 | somiaj | gluesniffmonkey:not sure if that card would be too new for the drivers in squeeze, if so you may want to look into backports. |
| 09:30.00 | chaospsychex | overclucker: so just add 'text' <-- just like that? |
| 09:30.23 | overclucker | yup, remove 'quiet' and 'splash' too |
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| 09:30.38 | chaospsychex | what is the other cli based irc client? |
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| 09:30.46 | chaospsychex | theres irssi and theres another one.... |
| 09:31.26 | prince_jammys | bitchx? |
| 09:31.33 | chaospsychex | no |
| 09:31.34 | somiaj | though that project died |
| 09:31.38 | tensorpudding | ircii? |
| 09:31.47 | chaospsychex | irssi! |
| 09:31.55 | tensorpudding | no, irc ii |
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| 09:32.00 | tensorpudding | that's irc 2 |
| 09:32.08 | chaospsychex | is it better than irsii |
| 09:32.11 | tensorpudding | an old client |
| 09:32.15 | chaospsychex | oh |
| 09:32.27 | overclucker | weechat is also popular |
| 09:32.35 | XATRIX | hi ...how can i correct my timezone settings ? i put Europe/Kiev to /etc/timezone but it does no effec... |
| 09:32.44 | tensorpudding | irc ii was like, the oldest unix irc client or something |
| 09:32.46 | chaospsychex | weechat is CLI ? |
| 09:32.53 | overclucker | yup |
| 09:33.09 | tensorpudding | like, last updated in 1995 |
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| 09:36.05 | overclucker | and then there's sic for those who like working with files |
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| 09:49.10 | sidh | Greetings |
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| 09:50.04 | sidh | does debian stable'kernel supports USB3 ? |
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| 09:57.04 | chaospsychex | ahoy |
| 09:57.23 | chaospsychex | my font size is freaking huge, i had to reboot to see the changes, wow |
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| 09:58.52 | streuner | sidh: /msg dpkg usb |
| 09:59.08 | overclucker | checkout the vga kernel option |
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| 10:00.34 | spectie | which package is gconf-schemas in ? |
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| 10:03.19 | overclucker | chaospsychex: you might also want to take a look at a tiling window manager like i3 |
| 10:03.45 | chaospsychex | i3? |
| 10:03.58 | chaospsychex | never heard of it |
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| 10:04.47 | overclucker | chaospsychex: it's much better than straight tty |
| 10:05.01 | chaospsychex | apt-get install i3? |
| 10:05.20 | apofis | hi guys |
| 10:05.29 | overclucker | chaospsychex: if you already have xorg, then yup |
| 10:06.11 | apofis | here is my problem each time I do some kernel related package upgarde I got an info that none of the md-array has been found |
| 10:06.37 | apofis | I noticed that /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf contains only "DEVICES /dev/[hs]d*" |
| 10:06.44 | chaospsychex | overclucker: and it will show up on the session menu along with all my other wms/de when i login? |
| 10:07.24 | apofis | question is if after kernel upgrade my system will boot correctly |
| 10:07.25 | overclucker | chaospsychex: depends on your display manager, but most should detect it |
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| 10:08.43 | sidh | streuner: I can see 2.6.32 kernel image here : http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/allpackages?format=txt.gz , so I understand it's OK |
| 10:08.50 | chaospsychex | overclucker: wow ftp.debian.org is slooooooooooow |
| 10:08.50 | chaospsychex | because of 6.0.4 being released? |
| 10:08.52 | sidh | streuner: thanks for the info |
| 10:09.06 | sidh | (and dpkg too ;) ) |
| 10:09.06 | chaospsychex | what time was 6.0.4 posted to the repo ? |
| 10:09.35 | chaospsychex | overclucker: display manager is GDM |
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| 10:09.47 | overclucker | gdm should detect it |
| 10:09.58 | chaospsychex | ok i'm going to check it out |
| 10:10.24 | jelly-home | apofis: add your ARRAYs to mdadm.conf, that may help |
| 10:10.53 | apofis | @jelly-home: already did "mdadm --detail --scan >> /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf" will see it it helps or not |
| 10:10.57 | jelly-home | apofis: and if you need them at boot time, dpkg-reconfigure mdadm and tell it which ones you need |
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| 10:12.14 | jelly-home | apofis: and perhaps an initramfs rebuild after that, I'm unsure whether that dpkg-reconfigure does it |
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| 10:13.14 | apofis | jelly-home: k will try that; if server wont boot I will have a small problem :D |
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| 10:18.34 | mallxs | Hi, I downloaded debian-6.0.3-amd64-netinstall.iso .. if it tries to find a mirror the log tells me the mirror doesnt support sqeeze ? |
| 10:18.51 | mallxs | what i'm i doing wrong ? |
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| 10:34.23 | AthomIk | hello |
| 10:34.53 | mallxs | hey |
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| 10:35.57 | AthomIk | How to put on his(her,its) microphone? I settled(adjusted) to alsamixer but nothing.... |
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| 10:40.23 | mallxs | just a dump question but did you check your alsa mixer if mic us enabled |
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| 10:42.57 | AthomIk | mallxs: yes mic is on in alsamixer and mic boost too |
| 10:43.01 | AthomIk | and front mic |
| 10:43.10 | AthomIk | and usb mic on my webcam |
| 10:43.12 | AthomIk | all mic |
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| 10:43.49 | AthomIk | try a lot of test with audacity |
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| 10:44.08 | AthomIk | is a alsa config error, where i can see file to change |
| 10:44.26 | AthomIk | because, all sound work fine, but not mic record |
| 10:44.47 | unixSnob | anyone consider Squeeze to be buggy? |
| 10:45.22 | unixSnob | I just jumped from ETCH to SQUEEZE (clean install), and iceweasel crashed the whole system |
| 10:45.46 | technologov | I consider "gnash" to be buggy -- so I deinstall it on sight. |
| 10:46.08 | technologov | So yes, I do. |
| 10:46.10 | unixSnob | then I see obscure errors, like "xargs" saying there is an unmatched single quote, when there is not |
| 10:46.13 | mallxs | ha i'm trying to install a netisntall 6.0.3 amd64 but its telling me the mirror (more of them) doesnt support squeeze |
| 10:46.42 | technologov | mallxs, grab a DVD. |
| 10:46.47 | AthomIk | mallxs: have you multiple netcard ? |
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| 10:46.54 | S-I4 | Is it possible to get tax deductions for donations made to debian? |
| 10:47.14 | AthomIk | mallxs: i have this error before, and use 2 netcard, and not connect the good :D |
| 10:48.00 | AthomIk | only dhcp test the link.... |
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| 10:48.25 | unixSnob | any ideas on when Squeeze will be superseded? I might stay with etch for a bit longer.. |
| 10:48.36 | mallxs | ha thats right dhcp did not work as well and entered ip manualy |
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| 10:49.36 | AthomIk | ok, i go to test kernel 3.2.2 |
| 10:49.44 | S-I4 | anyone |
| 10:49.44 | mallxs | have only one net slot on pc but can be it has multiple chip sets behind it |
| 10:50.17 | mallxs | sorry S-I4 .. not my country |
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| 10:51.05 | mallxs | but in holland i would just deduct it and see if they complain |
| 10:51.36 | overclucker | S-I4: http://www.spi-inc.org/ |
| 10:52.06 | pksadiq | S-I4: whom really have you donated? ubuntu or debian? |
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| 10:53.38 | S-I4 | pksadiq I hadnt yet, thats why Im asking this first. |
| 10:54.24 | themill | !donations |
| 10:54.25 | dpkg | If you like Debian and are able to donate hardware, services or money, please do so. See http://www.debian.org/donations and http://www.spi-inc.org/donations |
| 10:54.29 | Damie | My USB DVD drive my computer will not boot from cold, can I use a boot disk and then install from the DVD. Is that possible |
| 10:54.35 | pksadiq | S-I4: so better donate fsf, they are 501 c non-profit registerd, by I don't think ubuntu is, don't know about debian, and I'm not a US citizen |
| 10:54.50 | mallxs | unixSnob btw i have a 6.0.3 running on a other machine and it works fine for me incl iceweasel |
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| 10:56.11 | S-I4 | thanks |
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| 10:57.24 | McSalty | Hi, i was wondering if some of you guys will meet at fosdem in brussels next weekend |
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| 10:58.39 | mallxs | McSalty: do you have a link for me ? |
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| 10:59.40 | McSalty | mallxs: http://fosdem.org/2012/ |
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| 11:04.46 | abec0 | Hi. How come sudo echo "deb http://backports.debian.org/debian-backports squeeze-backports main" >> /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 11:05.51 | abec0 | does not work (denied). I am guessing some priority issues, but can't fix'em. (tried parenthesis, unsuccessfully though) |
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| 11:08.39 | unixSnob | squeeze is apparently reliable at crashing. ice weasel can crash the whole OS consistently |
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| 11:09.00 | unixSnob | switches back to etch |
| 11:09.03 | janis | Hi guys! I want to add Backtracing to the debian kernel for debugging. I opted to rebuild the debian kernel (3.1-1) and add FRAME_POINTERS and then rebuild the -dbg pakage for the new kernel. Are you aware of any howtos that may guide me through the process the debian way? |
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| 11:13.15 | _ramo | hi |
| 11:13.52 | _ramo | if i use ssh, how do i set my servers up that i don't need to enter every time my password if i e.g. scp to a server of mine? |
| 11:14.34 | filePeter | _ramo: Use ssh agent for storing your password in ram on your client. |
| 11:14.35 | xand | !ssh keys |
| 11:14.35 | dpkg | it has been said that ssh keys is http://www.puddingonline.com/~dave/publications/SSH-with-Keys-HOWTO/ |
| 11:14.51 | xand | _ramo: see that |
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| 11:20.57 | _ramo | thank yoju |
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| 11:25.49 | nsadmin | maaaaan! I just got home from playing bass four hours straight |
| 11:25.54 | unixSnob | has anyone compared debian stability to ubuntu lately? |
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| 11:26.40 | skilz | How to read whats in RAM? |
| 11:27.02 | skilz | Access data stored in RAM |
| 11:27.07 | nsadmin | it might be better because they start with testing which contains only packages from sid with no bugs for 2 weeks or something |
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| 11:27.45 | nsadmin | skilz, that's a can containing a single really REALLY long worm... |
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| 11:27.59 | nsadmin | really wanna open that? |
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| 11:29.15 | skilz | ? |
| 11:29.31 | skilz | sure |
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| 11:31.10 | nsadmin | maybe /dev/ram or something |
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| 11:33.36 | jelly-home | skilz: what is your actual goal. |
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| 11:37.03 | overclucker | cat /proc/kcore > ramdump |
| 11:38.17 | jasox | When will gnome 3.3 settle in debian unstable ? |
| 11:39.33 | mosno | jasox: it'd be 3.4 |
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| 11:40.04 | jelly-home | jasox: debian does not really package development Gnome branches |
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| 11:41.04 | jasox | Oh ok, does anyone know is arch packaging gnome branches ? |
| 11:41.17 | jasox | *Arch linux |
| 11:42.19 | jelly-home | jasox: wrong channel for that question, I think |
| 11:42.37 | jelly-home | jasox: #archlinux |
| 11:42.42 | jasox | Ok , tnx btw :D |
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| 11:44.33 | nand` | Where are the keymaps located in debian now? /usr/share/keymaps doesn't seem to exist |
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| 11:55.07 | nkuttler | !tell nand` about keymap |
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| 12:00.37 | nand` | nkuttler: thanks. How do I edit the keymap itself? I want to fix around some keys, eg. capslock to control |
| 12:01.00 | nand` | also, how do I create a new keyboard layout based on an existing one? I want to port my (reasonably complex) Windows layout to linux |
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| 12:02.13 | esprimo | xmodmap -pke > mycurrentkeymap |
| 12:02.24 | esprimo | then edit that file and load it |
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| 12:10.59 | XATRIX | hi guys, is there any standard tool to search for available packages to intall ? |
| 12:11.20 | XATRIX | something like "apt-get search apache*" ? |
| 12:11.40 | esprimo | apt-cache search |
| 12:11.45 | skilz | XATRIX, apt-cache search foo |
| 12:11.50 | XATRIX | copy |
| 12:14.26 | XATRIX | dammit |
| 12:14.36 | esprimo | ? |
| 12:14.37 | XATRIX | how can i install worker mpm module for apache |
| 12:14.40 | XATRIX | The following packages will be REMOVED: |
| 12:14.40 | XATRIX | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:14.40 | XATRIX | The following NEW packages will be installed: |
| 12:14.40 | XATRIX | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:23.02 | pawal | why is suhosin now disabled in debian? |
| 12:23.11 | pawal | (php5) |
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| 12:24.19 | themill | pawal: what makes you say that it is? |
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| 12:26.25 | pawal | themill: 5.3.9-4: Remove suhosin patch from description and add short NEWS about disabling Suhosin patch (Closes: #657697) |
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| 12:27.31 | themill | thanks -- that's exactly what I was looking for (the package descriptions still mention it) |
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| 12:28.12 | pawal | themill: I still wonder why, isn't it a good security feature? |
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| 12:29.35 | themill | !dbugs 657698 |
| 12:29.39 | dpkg | #657698:W[php5] php5: re-enable suhosin patch or add separate packages with suhosin patch enabled per default (); Sat, 28 Jan 2012 02:45:02 UTC [] |
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| 12:31.29 | themill | pawal: there is some discussion in that bug; unfortunately the links to the mailing list won't work right now as that particular machine is currently down for maintenance. |
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| 12:33.36 | WakiMiko | hello, im using encrypted LVM on my laptop and when booting LVM complains about no volume groups found. then the system asks me for the passphrase and upon entering it all LVs inside the LVM are found and mounted fine. is it normal for LVM to complain about this before entering the encryption passphrase? |
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| 12:34.00 | WakiMiko | on sid btw |
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| 12:36.22 | LordDeath | is it necassary to reboot the system after installing the new 6.0.4 packages? |
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| 12:36.46 | timheil | WakiMiko: sounds familar to me, I think it's okay |
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| 12:37.12 | WakiMiko | ok, thanks |
| 12:37.23 | nand` | I created my custom .Xmodmap but xmodmap complains about bad keysim names ä, å, é and so on |
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| 12:37.39 | nand` | What's the appropriate way to bind unicode characters to my keys? |
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| 12:38.10 | engla_ | nand`: find out what those are named |
| 12:38.49 | engla_ | nand`: xev says that ä is adiaeresis |
| 12:39.05 | nand` | engla_: any list? |
| 12:39.09 | nand` | also I'm not sure if all have names |
| 12:39.14 | engla_ | all have names |
| 12:39.35 | engla_ | usually I use a python script if I want to find out the name of a unicode char |
| 12:39.39 | nand` | even keys like ē ū ō or ≪ ≫? |
| 12:39.48 | sakal | alioth.debian.org sites is down? |
| 12:40.05 | lexoplex | I installed squeeze yesterday, now I'm not sure if I'm at point release 3 or 4... How do I check explicitly? Does it even matter? |
| 12:40.50 | gnugr | sakal: yes, ican't login either |
| 12:40.52 | sakal | lexoplex, what do you want to know? if you need an upgrade? |
| 12:40.58 | engla_ | nand`: apparently ē is emacron |
| 12:41.07 | engla_ | nand`: import gtk; gtk.gdk.keyval_name(gtk.gdk.unicode_to_keyval(ord(u"ē"))) |
| 12:41.07 | nand` | ah, I can also use Uxxxx |
| 12:41.19 | engla_ | sounds better :-) |
| 12:42.12 | lexoplex | sakal: Yeah, or rather if it's even possible to *not* be up to date when you do "apt-get update" regularly. |
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| 12:42.34 | nand` | I'll use haskell :) Graphics.UI.Gtk.Gdk.Keys.keyName |
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| 12:43.32 | sakal | lexoplex, you need to call aptitude update AND aptitude safe-upgrade |
| 12:43.41 | lexoplex | sakal: I just was confused by the fact that the website says 6.0.3 is the latest, while the topic here says 6.0.4. |
| 12:43.42 | themill | lexoplex: "update" only downloads package indexes, it does not install the updated packages |
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| 12:44.28 | lexoplex | themill: Yes, sorry, I do say "apt-get upgrade" after that. |
| 12:44.39 | sakal | lexoplex, I suggest to use aptitude insted of direct call apt-get |
| 12:45.18 | lexoplex | sakal: Hmm, okay. |
| 12:45.38 | sakal | aptitude have "safe-upgrade" |
| 12:45.58 | CcSsNET | yay |
| 12:46.06 | sakal | it sometimes better than simple upgrade |
| 12:46.11 | CcSsNET | finally people are suggesting aptitude |
| 12:46.23 | CcSsNET | disapears again |
| 12:46.31 | sakal | :) |
| 12:46.34 | themill | CcSsNET: umm... we've been recommending aptitude for most package tasks for years |
| 12:46.50 | sephii | it seems like slim is starting on runlevel 3, this causes problems on my computer since slim is configured with autologin and I have an application autostarting in my .xinitrc but when it starts some daemons have not finished starting so it crashes. any idea on how to fix this? |
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| 12:47.48 | themill | sephii: you could configure slim to start after the other daemons have started |
| 12:48.05 | sephii | themill: by modifying the insserv script? |
| 12:48.21 | themill | you'd be better fiddling around in /etc/insserv/overrides/ |
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| 12:48.40 | nand` | How do I get libgmp3c2? It has no installation candidate, but is referred to by other packages |
| 12:48.44 | nand` | how do I list these other packages using apt? |
| 12:48.54 | CcSsNET | themill: good, but its not usually whats suggested in general in this chan |
| 12:49.00 | endomafrendo | Hi, i have a problem with my sound configuration. I don't have any sound and the volume controls on the keyboard are not working. The indicators pop-up but the bar that gets filled as the volume increases remains empty. I have a Gigabyte 990FXA-UD3 rev 1.0 mainboard with an integrated HD audio. when I do "cat /proc/asound/card0/codec* | grep Codec" it returns ATI R6xx HDMI. The output of "http://www.alsa-pr |
| 12:49.00 | endomafrendo | oject.org/alsa-info.sh" is here: http://paste.debian.net/153964/. Any help greatly appreciated. |
| 12:49.05 | themill | CcSsNET: umm.. yes it is. |
| 12:49.05 | CcSsNET | should be in topic or something... |
| 12:49.21 | themill | nand`: what version of debian are you using? |
| 12:49.31 | janis | How can I change the config file against which the dpkg-buildpackage builds the kernel in the apt-get source linux-image packages? |
| 12:49.33 | nand` | themill: installed squeeze but changed the mirrors to wheezy after installing |
| 12:49.42 | nand` | (and ran dist-upgrade) |
| 12:49.54 | sephii | themill: I'll try that thanks |
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| 12:50.37 | nsadmin | endomafrendo: very impressive and very helpful content in your question; really good example of sicco! |
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| 12:51.35 | nsadmin | unfortunately I can't personally tell what the problem is |
| 12:51.45 | themill | nand`: that package isn't in wheezy; it has been superseded (by libgmp10 by the looks of it). Nothing in wheezy or sid should be relying on that package |
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| 12:52.05 | endomafrendo | nsadmin: me neither, that's why I thought I post it here.. |
| 12:52.07 | nand` | themill: okay, I will try reinstalling the tool that complains about it instead |
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| 12:52.54 | lexoplex | Now... presuming I use those aptitude updates/upgrades daily, I am at 6.0.4? (Just so I understand the system, it's been a while...) |
| 12:53.00 | endomafrendo | nsadmin: interestingly enough, it worked for a breef time today but after a restart not anymore. And i did nothing except moving multimedia around |
| 12:53.19 | endomafrendo | nsadmin: erally frustrating |
| 12:53.28 | endomafrendo | s/erraly/really |
| 12:53.51 | nsadmin | how do you mean moving? |
| 12:54.24 | endomafrendo | mv |
| 12:54.39 | endomafrendo | mv /dir1 /dir2 |
| 12:54.44 | endomafrendo | stuff like this :-) |
| 12:55.04 | nand` | themill: reinstalled it yet it still complains. The affected tool is "cabal", part of package "haskell-platform" |
| 12:55.31 | nsadmin | hmm. |
| 12:55.45 | nsadmin | well... all I know right now... is, |
| 12:55.52 | nsadmin | that coulda donit! |
| 12:55.58 | themill | nand`: what version of the haskell-platform package do you have installed ("apt-cache policy haskell-platform") |
| 12:56.12 | endomafrendo | nsadmin: as far as i can tell, the alsa controls etc are working but the driver is not loaded or something |
| 12:56.17 | nand` | themill: 2011.4.0.0 |
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| 12:56.30 | nsadmin | oh, check dmesg |
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| 12:57.02 | nsadmin | I mean, right, it would be good to check logs and such |
| 12:58.07 | themill | nand`: can you pastebin the command you're giving and the entire output? Some more context would help me here |
| 12:58.52 | endomafrendo | nsadmin: [ 16.614712] hda-intel: unable to grab IRQ 0, disabling device |
| 12:59.22 | nsadmin | irq 0? isn't that special somehow? |
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| 12:59.52 | endomafrendo | no idea... |
| 12:59.57 | nand` | themill: http://pastebin.com/dWYJ8u6q |
| 13:00.02 | nsadmin | <ChurchLady>Isn't THAT special?</ChurchLady> |
| 13:00.06 | endomafrendo | it fauls on the driver level as it seems |
| 13:00.21 | endomafrendo | s/fauls/fails/ |
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| 13:00.39 | endomafrendo | nsadmin: I'll go grab a bite and then i'll try again |
| 13:00.48 | nsadmin | right, it seems like the driver is loaded, and try to initialize, and fails |
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| 13:01.30 | nsadmin | endomafrendo, you just unearthed some great info... work with that, post to #alsa as well as here |
| 13:01.49 | nsadmin | also, let them know exactly what you mv-ed |
| 13:02.09 | endomafrendo | nsadmin: it was just a bunch of files from one drive to another, really... |
| 13:02.14 | themill | nand`: hmm.. and what version of the cabal-install package do you have? |
| 13:02.39 | nsadmin | so it wasn't (for example) files that were in /usr? |
| 13:03.04 | nand` | themill: 0.10.2-3 |
| 13:03.21 | endomafrendo | nope |
| 13:03.24 | nsadmin | did you install or upgrade anything lately? |
| 13:03.30 | endomafrendo | compiz |
| 13:03.44 | nsadmin | so these are your personal files or something likethat |
| 13:04.12 | themill | nand`: I don't know enough about what cabal is doing here to make any more intelligent suggestions :( |
| 13:04.30 | nsadmin | does compiz work for you? |
| 13:04.36 | nand` | themill: I see. I'll try cabal |
| 13:04.38 | nand` | err #haskell |
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| 13:05.44 | nsadmin | and was that an install or an upgrade? |
| 13:06.43 | nsadmin | maybe you have several kernels installed... could you have booted a different one this time? |
| 13:07.03 | themill | nand`: does "which cabal" give you /usr/bin/cabal? |
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| 13:07.34 | nand` | themill: oh, that explains it, it was pointing to ~/.cabal/bin/cabal |
| 13:07.50 | nsadmin | themill, perhaps you can share some wisdom here... had you been followiing my conversation? |
| 13:08.19 | dannN | Hi. How can i change the password encrypted from "normal" to md5 encrypted" on my webserver with courier mail and ispconfig3? |
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| 13:08.48 | nsadmin | isn't it dpkg-reconfigure passwd? |
| 13:08.58 | themill | nand`: yeah, that's pointing to a locally compiled version of cabal, perhaps? Or at least to an older version of it. |
| 13:09.23 | nsadmin | and!! before you do that, you might want to tar up your /etc dir first |
| 13:09.30 | nsadmin | better safe than sorry |
| 13:10.00 | nand` | themill: cabal installs new versions of itself apparently, unfortunately in this case it failed because debian removed a dependency that the old version still had |
| 13:10.15 | nand` | I can probably solve it by just running /usr/bin/cabal install |
| 13:10.23 | nand` | indeed, works |
| 13:10.26 | nand` | thanks for the hint |
| 13:10.27 | themill | nand`: well, it's recompiled against the new version of the library |
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| 13:33.12 | DarkUranium | hey folks |
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| 13:33.25 | DarkUranium | I have a problem trying to replace sendmail w/ exim4: "E: Could not perform immediate configuration on 'exim4-daemon-light'. Please see man 5 apt.conf under APT::Immediate-Configure for details. (2)" |
| 13:33.57 | DarkUranium | tried -o APT::Imeediate-Configure=0, didn't help |
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| 13:37.00 | daniel-s | hi. is mozilla.debian.net down |
| 13:37.12 | daniel-s | I'm getting errors from apt-get |
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| 13:40.07 | endomafrendo | nsadmin: nope, it is a clean install... compiz works perfectly |
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| 13:40.39 | endomafrendo | nsadmin: i'll give it the boot, let's see what happens in dmesg |
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| 13:43.50 | endomafrendo | nsadmin: interestingly, after the boot the sound seems to work... so it is either a driver or the hardware failing |
| 13:43.58 | endomafrendo | i'll monitor it |
| 13:44.11 | nsadmin | cool |
| 13:44.32 | nsadmin | I agree with your perception this seems to be intermittant |
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| 13:44.54 | AthomIk | hello |
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| 13:45.13 | AthomIk | how i can test my mic record, don t working, try alsamixer etc |
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| 13:45.25 | AthomIk | gamix |
| 13:45.28 | nsadmin | one thing I would wonder about, is whether heavy disk usage interfered with the operation of the driver in some way |
| 13:45.40 | nsadmin | in my case, |
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| 13:46.29 | buhman | hrm, interesting; I made changes to my grub.cfg, but when I try to start a VM from /dev/sda, I don't see the changes http://absdev.org/grub-qemu.png |
| 13:46.32 | buhman | (the casing of "fallback"/"Fallback") |
| 13:48.01 | nsadmin | I have an amd64x3 dell laptop, lots of stuff works great, but sound wasn't, and when I tried modprobing the sound driver, it caused the interrupt associated with disk reads to shut down (might have been shared with the sound irq) |
| 13:48.03 | rudi_s | Hi. Where can I find a boot.img.gz download which I can (GPG) verify? |
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| 13:49.54 | nsadmin | of course, when it shut down, disk reads were 100-1000x slower and I was in hell until reboot... found that if I added something called irqpoll to the kernel parameters, the irq no longer shut down; the docs attributed this to broken bios code. |
| 13:51.03 | nsadmin | anyway, good luck in finding the problem; glad things are working for the moment. |
| 13:51.43 | Moebius | hi.. is there any way to use webcam on linux? |
| 13:51.53 | Moebius | i got A4 tech EST.1987 cam |
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| 13:52.18 | Moebius | how to activate it/get a driver? |
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| 13:54.41 | ksuhku | Moebius, get a webcam app, like say cheese |
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| 13:54.48 | Moebius | hang on... |
| 13:54.50 | Moebius | it works in skype |
| 13:54.53 | Moebius | instantly |
| 13:54.54 | ksuhku | then make sure any hardware switches are on |
| 13:55.00 | Moebius | so it means it's on... but it doesn't show it's model though.. |
| 13:55.08 | Moebius | yeah, they're on apparently |
| 13:55.14 | ksuhku | then try an app |
| 13:55.17 | Moebius | ok |
| 13:55.20 | Moebius | cheese you're saying.. |
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| 13:57.02 | Moebius | skype works, cheese is not showing anything. |
| 13:58.39 | dutchfish | Moebius, http://wiki.debian.org/Webcam |
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| 14:00.05 | Moebius | thanks |
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| 14:22.36 | takahiro | any c programmers here? |
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| 14:23.04 | WormFood | you taking a survey? Is this really the right channel for C questions? I program in C |
| 14:23.27 | nsadmin | used to |
| 14:23.39 | takahiro | not sure where to ask, people in #c just mocked me and told me to leave |
| 14:23.41 | WormFood | I used to program in C a lot...but not so much lately. |
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| 14:23.47 | WormFood | heh |
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| 14:23.48 | gnarface | i know some c |
| 14:23.49 | engla_ | takahiro: right ##c is not very nice |
| 14:24.06 | takahiro | i finally installed the debian backport for the kernel i needed to compile the staging bcm_wimax.ko driver |
| 14:24.07 | nsadmin | well they're sticklers there |
| 14:24.07 | WormFood | I learned C back in the 1980s...before Ansi C |
| 14:24.10 | engla_ | takahiro: there is ##c-basic which is small |
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| 14:24.43 | nsadmin | WormFood, same here, and c++ |
| 14:24.45 | takahiro | but the bcm_wimax.ko is only the 1st step, a piece of software called the "connection manager" is needed for me to link to a wireless base station |
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| 14:25.13 | takahiro | so i compiled and ran the connection manager and it dies during the TLS authentication stage with a segmentation fault |
| 14:25.22 | WormFood | 5-6 years ago, I was programming a lot of C and assembly language for microcontrollers |
| 14:25.31 | unixSnob | there's nothing worse than a bug reporting system that is itself buggy |
| 14:25.38 | takahiro | so i ran gdb on the core file it generated, and at least got the line at where it crashed |
| 14:25.41 | nsadmin | dammnn that sounds like alotta stress |
| 14:25.51 | unixSnob | i get "Insufficient system storage" when trying to email a bug to the debian bug tracker |
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| 14:26.20 | takahiro | i took a screenshot of the gdb backtrace here http://whebsite.com/media/images/wimax_images/screen-backtrace-with-source-line-numbers.png and a copy of the source here http://ideone.com/xDWUZ |
| 14:26.26 | nsadmin | takahiro, perhaps a backtrace listing would be a good thing too |
| 14:26.38 | takahiro | yep, already got the backtrace |
| 14:26.41 | nsadmin | oh, nevermind :) |
| 14:26.48 | unixSnob | fuck me... I give up. if the bug reporting system doesn't want bugs, so be it. |
| 14:27.06 | nsadmin | it's presently bugs about the beatles... |
| 14:27.16 | WormFood | unixSnob, you're not out of hard drive space by chance, are you? |
| 14:27.17 | takahiro | but looking at that piece of code, i have no clue why it would segfault on that line - so basically, all my efforts of getting debian working with my internet modem has stalled at this point |
| 14:27.47 | unixSnob | WormFood: no chance. This is the error message that comes back from debian's bug reporting server |
| 14:27.55 | nsadmin | unixSnob, I get your frustration... in this situation, it would be hard to file a bug against the bug tracker |
| 14:28.09 | WormFood | oh, really...that is gay |
| 14:28.16 | takahiro | i've spent probably 40 hours or more trying to get this driver to work on debian and this segfault is getting in the way :( |
| 14:28.44 | takahiro | and this connection manager isn't supported by anyone, the manufacturer doesn't care |
| 14:28.47 | engla_ | takahiro: pretty clear why the ##c people didn't have a clue about that one.. sounds like you need a kernel expert, report bug to the driver author? |
| 14:28.53 | WormFood | takahiro, what are you searching for? |
| 14:28.58 | unixSnob | it could be that the debian mail server is gray listing (status=deferred) |
| 14:29.07 | WormFood | I mean, on google, or whatever you're using to search with |
| 14:29.18 | takahiro | engla_, the driver might be fine, it could just be the connection manager software is broken |
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| 14:29.36 | engla_ | ah ok |
| 14:29.49 | WormFood | I tried to file a bug report, but beacuse of the bug, it got my server blacklisted, and I wasn't able to file the bug report. |
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| 14:30.39 | takahiro | engla_, nobody supports this C program so i have to either hire someone to fix it or learn C myself - both which i don't have the motivation for doing because it's been so tiring just to get to this point |
| 14:30.46 | unixSnob | WormFood: that's a shame, because they should be bending over backwards to make sure they capture every bug report |
| 14:30.58 | engla_ | WormFood: the bug protects itself from being filed? quick, invent a neologism for this kind of bug |
| 14:31.00 | takahiro | engla_, any suggestions? |
| 14:31.20 | WormFood | engla_, sorta like that. |
| 14:31.43 | WormFood | actually not a bug per se, but truly retarded default settings, that got my server blacklisted. |
| 14:31.46 | no_gravity | Good Afternoon from Germany! Can I install debian so it sets up an encrypted partition and uses it but leaves all my old partitions untouched? Or will it erase my whole hd? (I dont want to encrypt just the home directory. I want to encrypt everything.) |
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| 14:32.40 | WormFood | no_gravity, good evening from China! :P You can't encrypt *everything*...you need to start from something that is unencryped, otherwise it won't be able to execute it. |
| 14:32.46 | engla_ | no_gravity: if you resize the old partitions so that you have some free space. And you can encrypt everything except /boot where kernel+initrd are. |
| 14:33.01 | no_gravity | WormFood: yes, an unencrypted boot partition. i know. |
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| 14:33.15 | WormFood | you said you wanted to encrypt everything :P |
| 14:33.48 | unixSnob | some HDDs support full disk encryption in the hardware.. in that case, everything is encrypted |
| 14:33.49 | no_gravity | engla_: that sounds good. so if i have unpartitioned space on the hd, im ready to go? the debian installer will do all the rest? |
| 14:35.09 | engla_ | no_gravity: sure if you answer its questions the right way |
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| 14:35.48 | no_gravity | engla_: that sounds good. somehow i thought lvm+encryption installation only supports "whipe the whole hd". |
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| 14:36.10 | engla_ | takahiro: I don't know. can you even see the immediate reason it segfaults? I can't |
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| 14:38.14 | themill | unixSnob: could you please pastebin the entirety of the bounce message, including headers? |
| 14:38.51 | takahiro | engla_, not a clue ;_; |
| 14:39.36 | takahiro | engla_, now i remember why i stopped using linux 8 years ago... no hardware support from manufacturers :< |
| 14:39.58 | takahiro | engla_, i was hoping things changed since then but i am wrong |
| 14:40.12 | nsadmin | that could have killed linux at the outset |
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| 14:40.42 | dvs | takahiro: it depends which manufacturers you choose |
| 14:41.43 | takahiro | i really don't have much choice, unless i twist my life around pretty dramatically |
| 14:42.09 | celthunder | takahiro: if you build your own system they usually don't care what os you have if the h/w is broken they'll fix it |
| 14:42.29 | takahiro | i use this usb modem from sprint because i can't get internet access any other way, there is no other provider and no other device manufacturer |
| 14:42.49 | celthunder | takahiro: wimax cards work..which card do you have |
| 14:42.59 | celthunder | my roommate has one and it works fine |
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| 14:43.17 | takahiro | celthunder, sprint u1901 4g broadband modem |
| 14:43.17 | celthunder | think he has the 5120 intel wimax/wifi card |
| 14:43.32 | celthunder | kk |
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| 14:43.51 | takahiro | celthunder, the modem appears in lsusb, it's found by bcm_wimax.ko (a staging kernel driver i compiled for the 2.6.39 debian backport kernel) |
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| 14:44.32 | takahiro | celthunder, it's even found and initialized by the wimax connection manager for linux by beceem (the manufacturer, which was sold or went bankrupt?) |
| 14:44.49 | engla_ | takahiro: so is it safe to move the driver across kernel versions? |
| 14:45.16 | takahiro | celthunder, but after it discovers different base stations i can connect to, i pick the one with the highest connection bars, and that's when the connection manager segfaults and i'm at a wall |
| 14:45.27 | celthunder | ah |
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| 14:45.42 | celthunder | i think i've seen that problem before... |
| 14:45.47 | takahiro | celthunder, i feel like i worked so hard to get to this point, only to have to give up |
| 14:45.48 | celthunder | unfortunately no idea what i did to fix it |
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| 14:46.29 | takahiro | i am not a C programmer or an expert on connection managers :( all i can do is wait and hope that someone else fixes this problem |
| 14:47.09 | takahiro | kernel guys don't care, their job ended with bcm_wimax.ko that gets the device "on" |
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| 14:47.35 | celthunder | i don't use it but i think networkmanager dev's have added quite a bit for wimax support |
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| 14:47.54 | celthunder | most of my experience in fixing the issues though was for intel cards built into laptops not the usb sticks |
| 14:49.31 | takahiro | hmm i can try looking into that |
| 14:49.49 | takahiro | but there's a lot of "Sprint" specific stuff in my wimax configuration file |
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| 14:50.11 | celthunder | sprint uses clear anyway |
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| 14:50.43 | celthunder | sprint doesn't even own a wimax network they just use clear's....and hopefully they get off there lazy @#$'s this year and get to lte .... |
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| 14:51.37 | takahiro | yeah and what's weird is, if i use clear's connection manager, i see base stations with almost full bars |
| 14:51.50 | takahiro | but if i use sprint's, i only see one station and it has barely 1 bar |
| 14:52.12 | celthunder | so ...use clears? |
| 14:52.13 | takahiro | i think sprint licenses a subset of clear's network, which sucks for me |
| 14:52.14 | cephyr | hi, i have problems with my xserver, i'm using debian testing, and if i want to play a video, the x server crashes and it returns to the login screen. i'm using fglrx and kde |
| 14:52.35 | takahiro | celthunder, it won't let me connect to the one with tons of bars without a @clear.com access logon |
| 14:52.43 | takahiro | celthunder, isn't that cruel?? |
| 14:53.33 | celthunder | takahiro: and here you said theres no other providers |
| 14:53.36 | celthunder | :) |
| 14:53.54 | celthunder | why'd you choose sprint over just going straight to the people that own the network you're connecting to |
| 14:53.55 | takahiro | well it's the same provider, except one is a subset of the other |
| 14:54.28 | takahiro | celthunder, because sprint offers unlimited data no monthly caps |
| 14:54.52 | celthunder | so does clear and sprint doesn't offer unlimited data they just say they do |
| 14:54.54 | celthunder | read the fine print |
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| 14:55.25 | celthunder | i've gotten letters telling me i violate the TOS because i use 20-30GB of data on my phone a month (yay netflix at work) |
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| 14:55.44 | takahiro | from who? clear? |
| 14:55.54 | celthunder | no from sprint |
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| 14:56.10 | Bartzy | How can I check the total number of open files ATM ? |
| 14:56.14 | takahiro | that's strange |
| 14:56.23 | Bartzy | I get failed to open stream: Too many open files |
| 14:56.31 | Bartzy | How can I know how many open files do I currently have ? |
| 14:56.56 | takahiro | lsof ? |
| 14:57.38 | nsadmin | lsof | wc -l |
| 14:57.40 | celthunder | Bartzy: what filesystem are you using that throws up that error? |
| 14:57.56 | celthunder | (just curious) |
| 14:58.14 | Bartzy | celthunder: ext3 |
| 14:58.24 | celthunder | takahiro: move our conversation to pm ? |
| 14:58.38 | celthunder | Bartzy: :/ |
| 14:59.24 | Bartzy | nsadmin: and the maximum is in ulimit -n ? or /proc/sys/fs/file-max ? |
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| 15:01.54 | unixSnob | themill: this is the paste of the debian mail problems => http://pastebin.com/ThKb9Wtc |
| 15:02.19 | unixSnob | themill: i used a bogus "FROM" address, but that should not matter. It looks like graylisting, because my server keeps trying |
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| 15:04.38 | themill | unixSnob: thanks. Will double check that with the bts admins; they have already confirmed that the host in question doesn't have disk space issues though. |
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| 15:05.54 | Aldus | hi. I have a server with an old Debian lenny release. Now when trying to apt-get upgrade, i have this message: tar: unrecognized option `--warning=no-timestamp' . Seems like this is an option only available in squeeze. But if I can't upgrade, how can i upgrade :) ? |
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| 15:07.25 | dvs | Aldus: are you following the release notes instructions |
| 15:07.37 | unixSnob | themill: i just looked closer.. it looks like my newly installed postfix is malconfigured.. it's trying to relay through the MX server of the /from/ address for some reason (makes no sense to me that it would do that) |
| 15:07.55 | Aldus | dvs, which? |
| 15:08.06 | dvs | !release notes |
| 15:08.07 | dpkg | Release Notes for Debian 6.0 (Squeeze) are at http://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/releasenotes . See also http://bugs.debian.org/release-notes and http://wiki.debian.org/NewInSqueeze . Also ask me about <errata>, <i-g>, <install squeeze>, <lenny->squeeze>, <firmware images>. |
| 15:08.20 | themill | unixSnob: yes, we were just looking at that. It looks like your MTA relay is unhappy |
| 15:09.20 | unixSnob | themill: hmm.. i may have spoke too soon. "reportbug" is trying to send the message to both myself and the debian bug system |
| 15:09.37 | unixSnob | themill: and the debian bug host is giving the same reply for some reason |
| 15:09.52 | themill | unixSnob: can you pastebin the output of "telnet bugs-master.debian.org 25" |
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| 15:11.09 | unixSnob | themill: http://pastebin.com/DpH0RcnP |
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| 15:12.28 | themill | unixSnob: you need to either use an ISP that doesn't filter outgoing :25 or correctly configure your MTA to use a smarthost that works. |
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| 15:13.47 | unixSnob | themill: i copied a previously working postfix configuration.. not sure why it's not working. But a quick fix may be for me to tunnel elsewhere to send the message |
| 15:14.43 | themill | (and next time, do make sure it's not pebkac before ranting about how broken the bts is and about a "debian mail problem" etc.; similarly for your etch->squeeze mess earlier today) |
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| 15:14.54 | takahiro | how hard is it to build a debian package for a backport that is a bit older than u want? |
| 15:15.12 | themill | takahiro: that depends entirely on the package |
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| 15:15.56 | takahiro | themill, the squeeze-backports version of network-manager is 0.8 and i want to download and use 0.9 from gnome's project website |
| 15:15.56 | unixSnob | themill: i have no question about squeeze screwing the pooch. There is nothing I could do in terms of configuration that would merit a system shutdown |
| 15:16.27 | themill | wonders what that means in English |
| 15:16.39 | themill | takahiro: n-m is a component that doesn't backport particularly easily. |
| 15:16.40 | unixSnob | even if there is a bug in iceweasel, that's no excuse for the kernel to fall over |
| 15:17.17 | themill | unixSnob: skipping releases in an upgrade sequence is completely unsupported. You get to keep both pieces when it breaks. |
| 15:17.26 | takahiro | themill, i see |
| 15:17.45 | unixSnob | themill: it's not an upgrade.. it's an install from scratch |
| 15:17.58 | themill | unixSnob: it was an upgrade that you were ranting about a few hours ago. |
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| 15:18.11 | themill | takahiro: the client and daemon end up speaking different versions of the protocol and so it doesn't work at all. |
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| 15:18.22 | unixSnob | themill: no, that was an install from scratch.. I never did a dist-upgrade |
| 15:18.43 | unixSnob | this is a squeeze bootable USB stick with the netinst iso image |
| 15:18.53 | unixSnob | from scratch |
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| 15:19.21 | unixSnob | (b/c in the past i've seen dist-upgrade hose everything, and I will not use it again) |
| 15:19.52 | takahiro | themill, ok so what's the best way to use the latest n-m? because i'm hoping n-m 0.9 will have a wimax connection manager that actually works, the manager i have segfaults |
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| 15:21.07 | dvs | !tell takahiro about ssb |
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| 15:22.02 | themill | dvs: there's nothing simple about a backport of network-manager... hence the discussion we've just been having. |
| 15:22.10 | dvs | ah |
| 15:22.12 | DragonSlay | What is a backport |
| 15:22.31 | nsadmin | !packbort |
| 15:22.35 | Woet | packbort! |
| 15:22.37 | nsadmin | oops, |
| 15:22.37 | dvs | heh |
| 15:22.39 | themill | DragonSlay: you can ask dpkg that question |
| 15:22.44 | nsadmin | !backport |
| 15:22.44 | dpkg | A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
| 15:23.44 | nsadmin | DragonSlay: you can for example ask that exact question like this: /msg dpkg packbort |
| 15:23.53 | nsadmin | argh! |
| 15:23.58 | nsadmin | well you get the idea |
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| 15:24.42 | DragonSlay | Hm, ty nsadmin |
| 15:25.20 | nsadmin | welcome |
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| 15:26.59 | dutchfish | hi, since ia32 is now updated, do i need to rebuild my own packages that are build on the dev package for ia32-libs-dev (20120102)? |
| 15:27.21 | DragonSlay | !tell dragonslay about caveats |
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| 15:30.44 | DragonSlay | What is text file mutation? |
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| 15:33.04 | DragonSlay | nsadmin, dpkg dn't kno what a text file mutation |
| 15:33.43 | Betanye | Hello. I have a couple of old computers and I would like to build a debian cluster. I have only a general idea how it works. could you please point me a good place with examples where I could learn and build the system. |
| 15:34.14 | qknight-- | Betanye: what should that 'cluster' do? |
| 15:34.22 | dutchfish | Betanye, http://wiki.debian.org/DebianBeowulf |
| 15:34.51 | Betanye | thanks dutchfish :) |
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| 15:35.28 | dutchfish | yw |
| 15:35.56 | Betanye | qknight--: sharing CPUs, memory and other resources in order to make them a pretty fast and fair system. |
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| 15:36.43 | dutchfish | Betanye, i doubt you can share cpu over the lan, but you can devide tasks over cores and over systems |
| 15:36.52 | barxool | Does anyone know where is the code in kernel source that checks permissions when tasks do syscalls like open(), read(), etc ? I'd like to know how the group permissions are handled |
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| 15:37.39 | Betanye | dutchfish: well, the idea is to have all these pcs working as one in order of making a nice system. |
| 15:37.40 | dutchfish | Betanye, since you ask that question, also read about xen and kvm |
| 15:38.38 | dutchfish | Betanye, whether you need a single host with vm's or a clusters depends on the task and the services that need to be adapted to that or devided |
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| 15:38.45 | Betanye | dutchfish: if you have a couple old PCs where none really could do alot as standalone what you would do with it? (not garbage) |
| 15:39.42 | DragonSlay | !heh |
| 15:39.43 | dpkg | Many would say that heh is #debian's favourite word, so not a good idea for your nick if you want hilighting to work. "heh" is not punctuation, so do not use it as such. |
| 15:39.45 | dutchfish | Betanye, i would create vm's one for each specialized task, that would safe alot for trouble; if you have specialized services that can be run on a cluster, choose the later |
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| 15:40.08 | erikandre | Canon and scanners. Any news aboute the canoScan 8600F? |
| 15:40.23 | Betanye | ok dutchfish, thank you very much. |
| 15:40.40 | dutchfish | Betanye, which virtualisations is another question, for old pc's the choice might be limited depending on the CPU's inside |
| 15:40.59 | dutchfish | yw |
| 15:41.08 | Betanye | dutchfish: 350 to 1000 MHzs |
| 15:41.25 | dutchfish | Betanye, not relevant, only if they do support virtualisation or not |
| 15:41.34 | Betanye | i see |
| 15:42.12 | Betanye | i will check the specks of each one and then select the ones to use |
| 15:42.20 | dutchfish | Betanye, http://wiki.debian.org/Xen | http://wiki.debian.org/KVM |
| 15:42.26 | dutchfish | ok |
| 15:42.37 | Betanye | :) thanks dutchfish |
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| 15:43.23 | orl | Hi! |
| 15:43.29 | dutchfish | Betanye, last but not least http://wiki.debian.org/SystemVirtualization |
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| 15:43.44 | orl | git.debian.org seems not be accessible, any idea why? |
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| 15:43.51 | Betanye | dutchfish: instead of having the best ones running puppy linux and alike i thought i could make them as a whole better system, that's the idea |
| 15:44.31 | dutchfish | Betanye, i understand, but depending on what you have and what you want this can be a tough to solve implementation |
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| 15:44.49 | Betanye | dutchfish: streaming audio |
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| 15:44.59 | Betanye | that's the objective |
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| 15:45.18 | dutchfish | Betanye, my best bet is just PXE booted stations with distinct setups, no virt no cluster |
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| 15:46.15 | dutchfish | Betanye, something like a round robin setup for remote services |
| 15:46.21 | Betanye | dutchfish: oh... so each one with some server /icecast, database, and editing and no sharing resources |
| 15:46.40 | dutchfish | Betanye, even shared resources is very possible |
| 15:46.55 | Betanye | ok, i got it. thank you very much |
| 15:47.00 | dutchfish | Betanye, but round robin queue's or services |
| 15:47.07 | dutchfish | good luck |
| 15:47.22 | Betanye | :) thank you. Have a good Sunday |
| 15:47.29 | dutchfish | :) |
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| 15:50.22 | bapsx | why if I disable networking then enable it back my internet connection doesn't come back up until I reboot? |
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| 15:52.17 | yodaboy22 | So, i go to NetworkManager on newly installed Debian6.0.3 |
| 15:52.22 | yodaboy22 | no wireless networks show up |
| 15:52.29 | yodaboy22 | am i missing a driver? |
| 15:52.50 | _xy_ | yodaboy22: first, on what are you running debian |
| 15:52.58 | _xy_ | a laptop? |
| 15:53.23 | _xy_ | second, make sure that if its a laptop, wifi isnt disabled by some hardware switches |
| 15:53.26 | yodaboy22 | _xy_: yes, acer aspire 5251 |
| 15:53.55 | yodaboy22 | _xy_: yeah, i already checked the switch |
| 15:54.31 | DragonSlay | !1 |
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| 15:57.03 | Janhouse | How can I fix this? http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=B1wfirvC |
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| 15:57.54 | themill | Janhouse: what does "ls -l /etc/alternatives/rename" show? |
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| 15:57.58 | |DM| | what's the standard location for httpd.conf ? |
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| 15:58.19 | Janhouse | themill, -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 2987 Jan 29 16:47 /etc/alternatives/rename |
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| 15:59.28 | themill | |DM|: you probably want /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/ or /etc/apache2/conf.d/ . In any case, you should read the documentation for the apache config file layout in /usr/share/doc/apache2.2-common/README.Debian |
| 15:59.50 | themill | Janhouse: Is that something you changed yourself? what does "file /etc/alternatives/rename" say about it? |
| 16:00.07 | |DM| | ah yes, was looking for the second one, and I read the online apache documentation, but it didn't note the standard location |
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| 16:00.13 | Janhouse | no, the server came with this debian image. |
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| 16:00.32 | Janhouse | /etc/alternatives/rename: a /usr/bin/perl -w script text executable |
| 16:00.33 | themill | Janhouse: sounds like you need to cluebat whoever made that image. |
| 16:00.40 | Janhouse | # update-alternatives --verbose --all |
| 16:00.40 | Janhouse | update-alternatives: error: readlink(/etc/alternatives/aptitude) failed: Invalid argument |
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| 16:00.48 | Janhouse | exactly... |
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| 16:01.29 | takahiro | aww my package build attempt failed |
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| 16:03.16 | qknight-- | should i use debootstrap or multistrap to install a new system? |
| 16:03.24 | qknight-- | i mean which tool is the better one? |
| 16:03.38 | themill | Janhouse: does /usr/bin/prename exist? |
| 16:03.59 | Janhouse | themill, yes |
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| 16:04.42 | themill | Janhouse: hopefully it has the same file contents; you can delete /etc/alternatives/rename and symlink it to /usr/bin/prename |
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| 16:05.26 | yeah | Hallo |
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| 16:06.57 | nand` | Is there any difference between installing wheezy (using the daily netinstall) and installing squeeze, changing the mirrors to wheezy and running dist-upgrade |
| 16:07.15 | Janhouse | not working, whatever, will ask them to install better image... |
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| 16:07.43 | somiaj | nand`: the daily netinstall images are testing installers and some times do not work. |
| 16:07.48 | themill | Janhouse: what's not working? |
| 16:08.00 | nand` | somiaj: so is the latter method a good practice if I want debian but with slightly more up to date repositories? |
| 16:08.25 | somiaj | nand`: no good pratice is to run stable and install the few things you need newer via backports |
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| 16:09.38 | nand` | somiaj: I see |
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| 16:10.36 | takahiro | is it possible to use one wheezy package in an otherwise squeeze install? |
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| 16:11.30 | orl | Go this error when trying to build jackd2 from source: libstdc++.a: could not read symbols: Bad value |
| 16:11.37 | orl | Any idea how I can get rid of this? |
| 16:11.54 | orl | I really need to rebuild jackd2 cause one of the options in the package doesn't fit my needs |
| 16:11.55 | erikandre | Git.debian.org, When is it suppose to be up working again? |
| 16:11.59 | delby | hi. is there a way to force apt or dpkg to ignore dependencies? |
| 16:12.15 | somiaj | takahiro: backports. You can compile the package against the stable libs. But do not install the binary package from wheezy |
| 16:12.25 | themill | delby: no. What are you really trying to do? |
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| 16:12.27 | orl | erikandre: oh, OK, so I'm not the only one to get problems |
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| 16:12.50 | themill | erikandre: as soon as it's fixed. |
| 16:12.52 | takahiro | somiaj, okay |
| 16:13.03 | somiaj | takahiro: some things have this done for you, backports.debian.org |
| 16:13.18 | delby | i am trying to install a package from unstable on stable with unmet dependencies, some of which are uninstallable |
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| 16:13.55 | orl | delby: probably not a good idea to install the package without its dependencies. Do you know what you're doing? |
| 16:14.13 | themill | delby: bad plan. What package is this? |
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| 16:14.49 | takahiro | somiaj, yeah i went to backports but the newest squeeze-backports is version 0.8 and wheezy has version 0.9 - so after i compile the package, do i just do "make install" as root? |
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| 16:14.57 | nsadmin | delby: also, /msg dpkg backport |
| 16:14.58 | delby | volumeicon-alsa. if things break, no problem, this is a machine i use for testing and can do a reinstall if needed |
| 16:15.06 | somiaj | !tell takahiro about ssbp |
| 16:15.30 | themill | ,checkbackport volumeicon-alsa |
| 16:15.31 | judd | Backporting package volumeicon-alsa in sid→squeeze/i386: all build-dependencies satisfied using squeeze. |
| 16:15.35 | takahiro | ive been reading those instructions somiaj |
| 16:15.45 | themill | delby: ^^ recompile the package for squeeze and don't break things |
| 16:15.47 | nsadmin | themill!! nice!! |
| 16:16.18 | nsadmin | that's handy! |
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| 16:16.57 | delby | sorry, lost you there. could you please explain the solution again |
| 16:17.17 | themill | nsadmin: judd has been able to do that for 3 months btw :) |
| 16:17.40 | nsadmin | delby: executables don't just live in their own file, part of the code is in shared libs |
| 16:17.58 | themill | delby: /msg dpkg simple sid backport; you should get the source package and recompile it for squeeze and that way you shouldn't end up with unsatisfiable dependencies |
| 16:18.16 | no_gravity | engla_: and the lvm thingy will also preserve the functionality of my windows partition? |
| 16:18.21 | nsadmin | delby: the other half is that deps of a sid package may depend on other sid packages |
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| 16:19.21 | delby | ok, thanks all. i think i got it now :) |
| 16:19.50 | nsadmin | delby: so for example, if you were to install what should be one of many helloworld packages from sid, first off, it's been compiled against sid libs, well, just libc |
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| 16:20.06 | nsadmin | delby: if you're interested, there's more |
| 16:20.13 | erikandre | thanks orl and themill. |
| 16:20.33 | erikandre | Waiting to get my canon scanner canoscan 8800F to work in debian. |
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| 16:20.39 | delby | nsadmin: always interested in more... |
| 16:21.39 | engla_ | no_gravity: lvm and windows don't have anything to do with each other. |
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| 16:22.25 | engla_ | I don't use windows though |
| 16:22.30 | nsadmin | ok, so the final piece is, that same package that is compiled for sid, has within it automatically generated depends that point at sid libs, the consequnces of installing it using apt-get or aptitude (which downloads deps -- important side point) being that it might pull in more packages |
| 16:23.04 | no_gravity | engla_: i thought lvm is a bootmanager that will replace grub? |
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| 16:23.37 | nsadmin | in the case of a hello world written in C and using printf() is that it will try to pull in the sid libc |
| 16:23.44 | nsadmin | and THAT is bad juju! |
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| 16:25.06 | nsadmin | in some cases your installation will still work... otherwise, it could possibly break some or all of the executables that were built against the squeeze libc |
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| 16:26.10 | delby | nsadmin: thanks for the info, i understand how it all works better now :) |
| 16:26.25 | nsadmin | and the installation of that package will also semi-break your package database... it now "thinks" you're going to upgrade to sid... (remember that downgrades are purposely not supported, so it's really hard to go back if you don't have a backup |
| 16:27.02 | _xy_ | I have a question about aptitude: How to list all installed packages? |
| 16:27.11 | takahiro | hmm im getting an error from apt saying "Could not perform immediate configuration on 'gcc'" what does that mean? |
| 16:27.25 | nsadmin | (of course "thinks" is a strong word, it's merely about the graph of packages with their dependencies and some links are now broken |
| 16:27.30 | nsadmin | ( |
| 16:27.34 | nsadmin | )) |
| 16:27.39 | _xy_ | I already tried apt-cache search --installed '.*', but --installed isnt effective when used with search. |
| 16:27.56 | no_gravity | Everybody: When I install debian with LVM+Full-Disc-Encryption on a machine that currently has a grub bootmanager and a windows and another debian partition - will the windows partition still be selectable from the bootmanager? |
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| 16:28.11 | nsadmin | delby, that's the whole thing I had for you |
| 16:28.19 | takahiro | i ran this: "aptitude -R build-dep -t wheezy network-manager" and it replaced like 40 different libraries and packages, and now my system kernel is removed and even gcc has gone missing... anyone know why? |
| 16:28.40 | nsadmin | uhoh :) |
| 16:28.49 | boudiccas | takahiro; cos you f*ck*d up! |
| 16:28.50 | engla_ | no_gravity: you should read up on this before you continue |
| 16:29.04 | takahiro | well i asked ppl in here and they just pointed me to dpkg |
| 16:29.20 | delby | nsadmin: thanx. i appreciate you taking the time to explain |
| 16:29.24 | takahiro | dpkg, package recompile |
| 16:29.25 | dpkg | 1) Add a <deb-src> line for your current release to your sources.list 2) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential devscripts fakeroot; aptitude -R build-dep packagename 3) as any user, apt-get source packagename 4) cd packagename-version/; ask me about <debian/rules>; 5) dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -uc -us 6) as root, dpkg -i ../packagename-version.deb. Ask me about <debian/rules>, <nocheck>, <apt-get source>. |
| 16:29.42 | nsadmin | takahiro, any objection to upgrading to wheezy? |
| 16:29.44 | takahiro | that last part of step #2 killed me |
| 16:30.15 | takahiro | i don't mind, im just trying anything to get my driver to work |
| 16:30.23 | takahiro | what should i do next? |
| 16:30.25 | nsadmin | hmm. |
| 16:30.40 | nand` | is there any reason to use aptitude install <name> over apt-get install <name>? |
| 16:30.42 | nsadmin | well you have that decision to make before doing anything |
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| 16:30.58 | takahiro | sure how do i upgrade to wheezy |
| 16:31.15 | themill | nand`: /msg dpkg why aptitude |
| 16:31.31 | nsadmin | I want to refer you to the release notes for wheezy, and also help you with them |
| 16:31.40 | nsadmin | and the install guide... |
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| 16:32.36 | nsadmin | and, so the process has to do with running a dist-upgrade to wheezy... and, there are things along the way at the start, where the upgrade could use the later versions |
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| 16:33.11 | nsadmin | so, before doing the dist-upgrade, you would first install the wheezy stuff it's felt that's needed... |
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| 16:33.33 | takahiro | all my packages are broken, i can't even run stuff like lilo or grub anymore |
| 16:33.38 | nsadmin | lots of times, that's the kernel, dpkg, apt, aptitude |
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| 16:34.00 | nsadmin | then tread carefully for the moment |
| 16:34.00 | takahiro | and dpkg removed /vmlinuz and other stuff and said my system is now unbootable |
| 16:34.07 | nsadmin | and, this is going to take some time |
| 16:34.11 | takahiro | i don't know why it removed my kernel |
| 16:34.23 | delby | one more question, is there an advantage to using the source from sid (as you all very kindly explained to me how above) to installing from original source (in my case from the website of volumeicon)? |
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| 16:34.46 | nsadmin | it detected a broken dependency when you did that build-dep install |
| 16:35.13 | takahiro | isn't that the right way to recompile a new package? |
| 16:35.17 | _xy_ | with 'dpkg -L <package>', i can see which files this package uses, but how can i look which package uses a specific file? |
| 16:35.29 | nsadmin | the old kernel depended on something |
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| 16:35.58 | takahiro | wow hmm sounds like a mess |
| 16:36.00 | nsadmin | so when the something got removed, the kernel got washed down with the bathwater |
| 16:36.18 | nsadmin | I've seen debian installs recover from worse |
| 16:36.25 | nsadmin | you're not far gone yet |
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| 16:36.54 | takahiro | i reinstalled the linux-image so at least i have a kernel again |
| 16:36.57 | nsadmin | see if you can install... grub-pc, linux-image-2.6 |
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| 16:37.18 | nsadmin | ok, see if you can install grub-pc |
| 16:37.26 | takahiro | ok |
| 16:37.37 | nsadmin | you have a pc? :) |
| 16:37.46 | takahiro | yup it's a virtualbox |
| 16:37.52 | fbs | haha nice |
| 16:38.00 | takahiro | i should have just taken a snapshot but i didnt know it was going to explode when i ran that command |
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| 16:38.08 | nsadmin | vitural box? this is remote? if so tread REALLY carefully |
| 16:38.17 | fbs | trying a debian weekly build, during the software slection i get a bunch of hashes :p |
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| 16:38.40 | takahiro | no local vm... oracle virtualbox software |
| 16:39.00 | nsadmin | oh ok, so you have physical access to the machine |
| 16:39.19 | takahiro | yep in some sense |
| 16:39.40 | nsadmin | see what happens if you install grub-pc |
| 16:40.03 | nsadmin | but, here's the thing... I don't understand how birtualboxes are booted |
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| 16:40.22 | takahiro | worst case ill just install everything again from cd |
| 16:40.23 | nsadmin | had you booted the new kernel? |
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| 16:40.40 | takahiro | nope i havent booted, dpkg is still stuck unpacking the kernel |
| 16:40.54 | nsadmin | stuck how? |
| 16:41.05 | takahiro | it's unpacking something called linux-image-2.6.39-bpo.2-686-pae-dbg |
| 16:41.14 | takahiro | it must be huge |
| 16:41.17 | nsadmin | ok |
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| 16:41.41 | nsadmin | not sure why you need the -dbg but that's another story |
| 16:42.01 | takahiro | dunno, i never specified it |
| 16:42.14 | Erik9154 | Hello. I am trying to run the command "aptitude install firmware-linux-nonfree xserver-xorg-video-radeon" before I upgrade from squeeze to testing. Should I be concerned with saying yes to this output? http://pastebin.com/AszZQ9fH |
| 16:42.17 | nsadmin | probably a dep or recommend from the kernel |
| 16:42.37 | nsadmin | or rather from the build-dep stuff |
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| 16:43.09 | takahiro | ok it's moving to the next stuff... zz-update-grub |
| 16:43.09 | nsadmin | anyway, the goal right now is to get the kernel and bootloader installed and get the new kernel started |
| 16:43.23 | nsadmin | oh ok |
| 16:43.59 | nsadmin | did that cause it to find your installations? |
| 16:44.21 | takahiro | yeah it found them in /boot |
| 16:44.31 | takahiro | it's really churning hard onm each of these img files though |
| 16:44.33 | nsadmin | ok, so it looks like you have a grub |
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| 16:45.59 | nsadmin | so, last night I played a 4 hour gig with a world music band, and recorded the whole thing on my little mp3 recorder... transferred the file to my pc, and now I want to cut it up into separate mp3s |
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| 16:46.59 | behrad | afte each restart i need to run hp-plugin. i think this is udev rule in wheezy. do know correct udev rule for hplip? |
| 16:47.14 | jpinx | nsadmin: audacity ;) |
| 16:47.19 | orl | nobody has any clue for my libstdc++ problem? |
| 16:47.23 | behrad | *do you know correct udev rule for hplip? |
| 16:47.33 | takahiro | ok apt-get install grub-pc worked |
| 16:47.33 | nsadmin | as an aside that could be relevent, lame doesn't seem to be able to convert mp3 to wav... attempthing causes the old mp3 to be read, and it converts to an mp3 which is called file.wav |
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| 16:48.13 | nsadmin | jpinx, do I need mroe libs to make the edit function work? |
| 16:48.13 | Aldus | while making a dist-upgrade on my debian it stops with openssh with this error: Creating SSH2 ECDSA key; this may take some time ...unknown key type ecdsa --- dpkg: error processing openssh-server (--configure): |
| 16:48.20 | somiaj | nsadmin: could use mplayer to play various time segments into a wave file and then recompress the wave |
| 16:48.36 | somiaj | nsadmin: don't know of a good way to split mp3 files driectly without reencoding though. |
| 16:48.38 | jpinx | nsadmin: depens what libs you have already ;) |
| 16:48.51 | vorbote | nsadmin: mp3split |
| 16:49.06 | jpinx | nsadmin: use aptitiude's option to tell you what it needs in depends |
| 16:49.30 | vorbote | nsadmin: not sure what package has it though. |
| 16:49.30 | nsadmin | I'll have to look and see what that is... |
| 16:49.53 | nsadmin | takahiro, here's where you could decide to take the plunge and reboot |
| 16:50.04 | nsadmin | see if the new kernel boots |
| 16:50.09 | vorbote | nsadmin: the right name is mp3splt. |
| 16:50.19 | takahiro | ok |
| 16:50.33 | nsadmin | you could also decide not to |
| 16:50.35 | nsadmin | :) |
| 16:50.56 | nsadmin | vorbote, thank you; I'll look at that |
| 16:51.10 | somiaj | yea I like the no rencodign part. |
| 16:51.10 | takahiro | it seems to boot fine |
| 16:51.13 | takahiro | i logged in |
| 16:51.18 | nsadmin | great |
| 16:51.20 | mojo-jojo | how do i get firehol to start after nis/yp? i tried adding $named and ypserv to the Required-Start of the firehol init script to no avail |
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| 16:51.30 | takahiro | now should i upgrade to wheezy? |
| 16:51.49 | nsadmin | ok, now: aptitude install perl-base aptitude apt dpkg |
| 16:52.05 | nsadmin | see if it lets you do all that |
| 16:52.33 | nsadmin | hold on one sec tho |
| 16:52.52 | nsadmin | I just realized, what's your sources.list look like |
| 16:53.10 | takahiro | my sources.list points to squeeze |
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| 16:53.19 | nsadmin | oh, ok... |
| 16:53.23 | takahiro | i changed it just before i rebooted, it was wheezy |
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| 16:53.42 | nsadmin | oh, so you got the kernel and grub-pc from wheezy? |
| 16:53.43 | no_gravity | Hello! Whats a good way to whipe all data from a partition? cat /dev/zero > /dev/sdaX ? |
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| 16:53.58 | takahiro | nsadmin, not sure... probably yes |
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| 16:54.36 | nsadmin | ok, change it back to wheezy (wait, you sure you want to upgrade? yes?) |
| 16:54.51 | takahiro | yeah wheezy is fine |
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| 16:55.05 | somiaj | no_gravity: that is one way, but can take a long time |
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| 16:55.20 | takahiro | im not using this install for anything important, just testing to see if my USB device works in linux or not |
| 16:55.31 | nsadmin | ok, good enuf... so, try aptitude install perl-base aptitude apt dpkg |
| 16:55.47 | no_gravity | somiaj: what would be faster? |
| 16:56.22 | somiaj | no_gravity: depends on what you mean by wipe. Just reinitizling a new filesystem would make the data look like it is not there and effectivally wipe the partition |
| 16:56.58 | somiaj | no_gravity: zeroing out the data is harder to recover, but afiak it can still be recovered unless you do that followed bu a cat /dev/random > .. followed by a zero again |
| 16:57.20 | no_gravity | somiaj: i never heard about an experiment in which it actually was archived to recover data from a zeroed out partition. |
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| 16:57.45 | nsadmin | how's that going? |
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| 16:57.51 | takahiro | "A package failed to install. Trying to recover: " |
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| 16:58.10 | nsadmin | which package, if you can see? |
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| 16:58.52 | takahiro | package name is 'wimax-custom-package-3.0.0' blank line in value of field 'Description' |
| 16:59.05 | takahiro | i installed that a while ago in hopes of getting the USB wimax thing to work |
| 16:59.21 | takahiro | something i found on the net and installed with dpkg -i |
| 16:59.23 | nsadmin | ok, we're going to remove that package for now |
| 16:59.27 | takahiro | ok |
| 17:00.05 | nsadmin | how'd that go? |
| 17:00.53 | somiaj | no_gravity: I just rember a tool that would do multiple runs of that on a disk to make data unrecoverable. seems a forum post agrees with me |
| 17:00.54 | takahiro | dpkg -r gives me the same error |
| 17:00.54 | dpkg | removes gives me the same error along with a pound of flesh from takahiro's body, then staples takahiro back up with a staple gun. |
| 17:01.26 | somiaj | no_gravity: http://hintsforums.macworld.com/archive/index.php/t-43214.html |
| 17:01.29 | nsadmin | dpkg: quiet you! |
| 17:01.29 | dpkg | nsadmin: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 17:01.43 | somiaj | no_gravity: though might be different if it is an ssd |
| 17:02.02 | nsadmin | try dpkg --purge |
| 17:02.13 | takahiro | i ran dpkg -r wimax-custom-package-3.0.0 and it says that the package has a blank line |
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| 17:02.25 | joshb | Hi, I am running Debian-Squeeze on amd64 and get an error for a 32 bit program (after it worked properly before, after some updates/new programs): /usr/lib/gtk-2.0/modules/libcanberra-gtk-module.so: wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS64 I have been trying for hours to fix it, anyone can help ? thank you |
| 17:02.42 | takahiro | same error with dpkg --purge |
| 17:03.03 | no_gravity | somiaj: on that forum, is there somebody who actually recovered data from a zeroed partition or is it just theoretical talk? |
| 17:03.12 | takahiro | dpkg: error: parsing file '/var/lib/dpkg/status' near line 6933 package 'wimax... |
| 17:03.13 | dpkg | You are person #1 to send an unparseable request, takahiro |
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| 17:03.44 | rawtaz | hey guys. i have a question that i would like to ask for an honest answer from ppl who are running both Debian and CentOS more than just occasionally. im setting up some servers, and generally use debian when i need linux. but for one of the servers i need to install some specific software, and i have two options: |
| 17:04.06 | nsadmin | I wonder if you can edit the status file... you ok using emacs? |
| 17:04.14 | nsadmin | if so, |
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| 17:04.43 | themill | rawtaz: the tiny size of the centos archive is what put me off it. Plus a fairly poor record of addressing CVEs not so long ago. |
| 17:04.49 | rawtaz | either i use debian for this server, and take on a much larger administrative task regarding installation and maintenance of the software. the thing is that its packaged for centos and works out the box there, but can be installed on debian as well but needs some fiddling around. |
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| 17:05.08 | nsadmin | try emacs +6933 /var/lib/dpkg/status |
| 17:05.23 | somiaj | no_gravity: just theoriticial as you would have to have very very expensive equipment. this is FBI wants my data paranoia |
| 17:05.28 | themill | rawtaz: what software is this, btw? |
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| 17:05.43 | nsadmin | it should take you to that line |
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| 17:05.48 | rawtaz | or i can just go ahead and use centos for this server, requiring less administrative overhead *for the specific software*. but i have not used centos more than a little, so i dont know if i will be unhappy with it down the road (ive heard of dependency hell but am suspecting its not as severe anymore with centos 6) |
| 17:05.59 | somiaj | no_gravity: its because there is a slight memeory in the magantesim on the drive and if all you did was zero it very specilized equipment could rebuild the image |
| 17:06.02 | rawtaz | so im thinking maybe it will get messy later on if i go centos :) |
| 17:06.22 | somiaj | no_gravity: for the most part zeroing will make it pratically irrecoverable. |
| 17:06.24 | rawtaz | themill: it is a mail server, or rather one of those mail+cal+contact+im+everything else you can find in the universe :) |
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| 17:06.36 | no_gravity | somiaj: yes, i understand the theory. |
| 17:06.46 | vorbote | joshb: install the ia32 libs, plus the additional 32 bit libraries that may be needed. |
| 17:07.06 | nsadmin | dependency hell is sometimes caused by operator error :) |
| 17:07.12 | themill | rawtaz: the distribution that you are already familiar with is sometimes the simplest to go with. If you're going to take on the work for this mail server, could you be convinced to do the work for debian itself? |
| 17:07.12 | takahiro | fixed it nsadmin, no more errors and that weird package is gone |
| 17:07.13 | somiaj | no_gravity: so really depends on what you mean by wipe the data, can be something that is fast to somethign you want to do multiple zero/random passes depending on paranioa/sensitivity |
| 17:07.24 | nsadmin | great :) |
| 17:07.37 | rawtaz | themill: so far ive found centos to be quite ok, once i figured out i shouldnt mess too much with config files manually, and its been installing pacakges nicely (but i havent done much more than just installing new ones, havent even upgraded the OS to a new major version yet) |
| 17:07.43 | nsadmin | ok, now try aptitude install perl-base dpkg apt aptitude |
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| 17:07.57 | rawtaz | themill: can you clarify "do the work for debian itself"? |
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| 17:08.24 | themill | rawtaz: make the package(s) for this beast and distribute them through debian.org. (Does this beast have a name?) |
| 17:08.54 | takahiro | nsadmin, done - looks like it worked |
| 17:09.07 | nsadmin | ok, now you can do the big one: |
| 17:09.10 | takahiro | dpkg --version is 1.16.1.2 |
| 17:09.11 | dpkg | takahiro: what are you talking about? |
| 17:09.12 | joshb | vorbote: yes, i had and have them, re-installed them a few times already; it worked before so i roughly had what was needed i guess (it concerns a 'second life viewer' all implementations of that fail in the same way though, they are all 32 bit). It says: apt-get install ia32-libs ia32-libs-gtk ia32-libs-kde ia32-libs-sdl. This has already been done, although those last 2 do not seem to exist, but it |
| 17:09.14 | nsadmin | try aptitude dist-upgrade |
| 17:09.15 | joshb | worked without them before. |
| 17:09.24 | rawtaz | ah, i see. actually i think that the vendor (its a commercial app) are working on that, quite sure about it as they are actively pushing debian compatibility. its just that right now it doesnt work, i tried the installer and there's a bunch of things to adapt. so regarding your question, i COULD but i think its better if they do it instead, as planned |
| 17:09.49 | rawtaz | themill: thats what i pay them for, in part :) |
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| 17:10.07 | takahiro | ok its downloading a ton of files... will take a while :) |
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| 17:10.47 | nsadmin | when aptitude is downloading, you can stop it if you want |
| 17:11.07 | nsadmin | if it's unpacking or setting up, don't touch the ctrl c :) |
| 17:11.21 | rawtaz | themill: in short all the install files in the product is still centos based, using tools that are centos specific and so on. thats the problem. possibly some package issues as well, im not sure since i backed out when seeing that there was a lot of centos stuff in there (i thought it was already at least somewhat debian friendly) |
| 17:11.32 | nsadmin | once this is done, I would suggest a reboot |
| 17:11.43 | ira_gershwin | anyone know why i can't see contrib results even though i've added it in my /etc/sources.list and ran aptitude update? |
| 17:11.43 | nsadmin | altho you seem to be in the new kernel already |
| 17:11.51 | themill | rawtaz: hmm... lovely. |
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| 17:11.56 | vorbote | joshb: Hmmm.... Is it a package from the repos? |
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| 17:12.06 | nsadmin | so next you probably want aptitude install build-essential |
| 17:12.07 | rawtaz | themill: but in general, i guess my bottom line question is "truth be told, is CentOS really *that* bad?". considering many many ppl use it i have a gut feeling it is ok after all, even if one thinks debian is better :) |
| 17:12.53 | nsadmin | rawtaz, that seems to be a reasonable thought line |
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| 17:13.32 | rawtaz | actually i could always move it to debian in the future if i want to :> |
| 17:13.43 | somiaj | ira_gershwin: beause it is /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 17:14.02 | nsadmin | yes you can... once you find out if it supports that app thing you want |
| 17:14.08 | rawtaz | yah |
| 17:14.23 | ira_gershwin | somiaj: yeah, whoops, that's the file i was referring to. i've added contrib and non-free to the existing lines (running squeeze) |
| 17:14.24 | innociv | What is the apt-get command to search for packages? |
| 17:14.29 | onur | Hi. I upgraded some stable packages with unstable packages but I dont remember which packages. Is there any way to list that packages? |
| 17:14.36 | joshb | verbote: the package i try to run is not from the Debian archives no |
| 17:14.39 | ira_gershwin | innociv: apt-cache search or aptitude search |
| 17:14.53 | nsadmin | anyway, I'm not supposed to talk about centos here...so I shut up now:) |
| 17:15.25 | themill | rawtaz: I found it annoying enough that I ran away eventually. |
| 17:15.28 | innociv | Ehh so Lighttpd1.5 still isn't on apt-get? |
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| 17:15.41 | innociv | It's pretty old at this point. I don't get it. |
| 17:15.42 | somiaj | ira_gershwin: well then give us more info, provide a copy of your sources.list at a pastebin, say what package you are looking for in contrib you have not found. also not all mirrors have to mirror contrib (though any offical one should be) |
| 17:15.45 | rawtaz | themill: was it the packages/depencency hell so many talk about or something else? |
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| 17:16.59 | Woet | rawtaz: quite simple, centos 4 -> 5 or centos 5 -> 6 means reinstall |
| 17:17.05 | Woet | that's enough reason for me not to use it |
| 17:17.20 | rawtaz | really? hmm is it that bad.. |
| 17:17.27 | vorbote | joshb: what is it, precisely. |
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| 17:18.28 | ira_gershwin | somiaj: aha! glossed over that the deb and deb-src were two separate things. i had only appended deb-src. how embarassing. thanks though |
| 17:18.33 | Erik9154 | Hello. I am trying to run the command "aptitude install firmware-linux-nonfree xserver-xorg-video-radeon" before I upgrade from squeeze to testing. Should I be concerned with saying yes to this output? http://pastebin.com/AszZQ9fH |
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| 17:19.01 | themill | innociv: considering I can't find lighttpd1.5 on the lighttpd website, that's hardly surprising. |
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| 17:20.01 | nsadmin | redhat tried the dep and upgrade game, I don't know they ever got it right... centos, I have no idea... debian is the first ever I've seen that really got it right... one "no small feat" is an early debian upgraded properly from libc4 to libc5... and that was also a binary format upgrade from a,out format to elf |
| 17:20.43 | Woet | innociv: by "pretty old" you mean unreleased? |
| 17:20.49 | Woet | http://redmine.lighttpd.net/versions/3 |
| 17:21.25 | nsadmin | that said, the same technology that debian used to move to elf, could be used to go from (say) i386 to amd64 userland |
| 17:21.40 | joshb | verbote: it is a 'second life viewer' www.secondlife.com www.phoenixviewer.com I just tried a solution % export GTK_PATH=/usr/lib32/gtk-2.0 which stops that error message, but it still fails... I guess the error i gave before wasn't the critical one. |
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| 17:22.14 | nsadmin | is this second life thing still around? |
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| 17:23.19 | ksuhku | is there a way to detect when I insert an earphone plug? for automagical volume adjustment |
| 17:23.35 | vorbote | joshb: It sounds to me that there are changes in dependencies. You'll need to track them down with ldd. Run it on the second life binaries. |
| 17:23.37 | joshb | verbote: it now fails quite vaguely that 'it is probably a bug in the program' ... (it ran before, tho) |
| 17:24.04 | vorbote | joshb: if there are none, then it is probably a bug in the program :-) |
| 17:25.14 | joshb | verbote: hmm... i can try a re-install of the program; i already tried ldd on it (and get-libs, which is some ubuntu tool, but it gave nothing) |
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| 17:25.43 | innociv | Oh. Thanks. |
| 17:25.57 | innociv | That is a shame. It has some nice modules. |
| 17:26.11 | vorbote | joshb: do that. But first, if it is installed from debs, make sure to purge it. (aptitude purge, apt-get remove --purge ...) |
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| 17:26.39 | joshb | verbote: ok ty, no it's not a .deb; just a user-directory tar extraction |
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| 17:27.41 | vorbote | ksuhku: that's the kind of things you can do with pulseaudio, but noone has bothered to implement. |
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| 17:28.03 | vorbote | joshb: I'd grab a newer copy from the distribution site first. |
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| 17:28.53 | vorbote | ksuhku: by that I mean, you can do it yourself, but there are no magical scripts nor blogposts I can recall from the top of my head. |
| 17:29.12 | ksuhku | ok, thanks |
| 17:29.18 | joshb | verbote: yes ok, anyway this is the error: The program '<unknown>' received an X Window System error. |
| 17:29.19 | joshb | This probably reflects a bug in the program. |
| 17:29.21 | joshb | The error was 'BadRequest (invalid request code or no such operation)'. |
| 17:29.23 | joshb | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:29.45 | vorbote | ksuhku: do install the extra pulseaudio utils that are available in the repost, like the volume control util. |
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| 17:30.18 | ksuhku | vorbote, right, i shall take a peek |
| 17:30.27 | vorbote | joshb: you are out of luck, that means that the program was compiled for a different version of the X libraries. |
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| 17:31.17 | joshb | verbote, isn't it odd though, that it ran just fine just prior to installing some more debian packages/updates ? |
| 17:31.29 | qmr | anyone have any links about making a custom distribution based off debian? need to setup laptops for installers, I'm thinking it would be best to use an auto updating customized version of debian |
| 17:32.09 | joshb | verbote: a new download gives the same error |
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| 17:33.21 | vorbote | joshb: no it isn't odd. There have been updates to the X server that probably are incompatible to the second life binaries. |
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| 17:33.40 | themill | dpkg: tell qmr about blend |
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| 17:34.03 | alex-|laptop | Are there any alternatives for Webmin |
| 17:34.11 | vorbote | joshb: that's a risk you always have when using third party closed source binaries. |
| 17:34.12 | qmr | mmm.. thanks themill |
| 17:34.17 | themill | qmr: the blends infrastructure should offer you what you are looking for |
| 17:34.20 | HardFu | hey, which is the most "talkative" person on #debian? |
| 17:34.29 | behrad | afte each restart i need to run hp-plugin. i think this is udev rule in wheezy. do know you correct udev rule for hplip? |
| 17:34.48 | themill | HardFu: are you measuring by signal:noise or by lines written? You'll get different answers... |
| 17:34.48 | joshb | verbote: i see, and just prior to this error i had quite a few updates, which may have included those X server updates, then ... |
| 17:34.50 | qmr | as far GPL compliance, can I just say "send us $25 for a few DVDs"? or do I even need to worry about that if it's just used inside the company? |
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| 17:35.11 | HardFu | themill: doesn't matter, whichever will do :) |
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| 17:35.35 | themill | qmr: if you mirror the source packages as well then that should be fine |
| 17:35.35 | joshb | verbote: thanks, at least this makes a lot of sense, and that makes me feel better already :) |
| 17:36.13 | joshb | verbote afaik these are not closed source though |
| 17:36.31 | nsadmin | qmr, not a lawyer here, but as far as I understand gpl v2, it's triggered by "distributing binaries of the covered software" |
| 17:36.57 | nsadmin | if there's no distrubution, gplv2 wouldn't kick in |
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| 17:37.34 | qmr | yea, that was my understanding as well.. if it's only used inside company.. that's not distributing .. !? |
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| 17:37.44 | alex-|laptop | Are there any alternatives for Webmin? |
| 17:37.46 | alex-|laptop | !webmin |
| 17:37.46 | dpkg | Webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Removed from Debian post-Sarge, see http://bugs.debian.org/343897 . The Debian package from webmin.com is of poor quality. See <free whcp> for alternatives. |
| 17:37.55 | HardFu | I have updated Carmivore, if anyone is interested to take a look (example): http://carmivore.com/themill |
| 17:37.58 | alex-|laptop | !free whcp |
| 17:37.58 | dpkg | FOSS Web Hosting Control Panels include: <DTC>, <GNUPanel>, <ISPConfig> and <ispCP> Omega. Don't use <Webmin>. http://wiki.debian.org/HostingControlPanels |
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| 17:39.16 | nsadmin | you should compare giving gpl software to your friend who (say) lives across town... versus being in the building where you work and giving it to a coworker in the same building |
| 17:39.39 | nsadmin | the former is distribution... and, I've heard of cases where the latter isn't |
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| 17:45.53 | mojo-jojo | solved it |
| 17:46.09 | alex-|laptop | Are there any alternatives to webmin? |
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| 17:48.34 | LukeNukem | would it be possible to install Debian alongside Ubuntu |
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| 17:49.32 | vorbote | LukeNukem: In different VMs, partitions, disks. |
| 17:49.44 | apofis | @LukeNukem: on separate partitions I guess |
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| 17:51.38 | vorbote | alex-|laptop: using the supplied admin tools. Really good IMO. Now, if you are looking for a web-based thingamajig to configure everything, you are asking for trouble. |
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| 17:52.21 | alex- | vorbote: why? |
| 17:52.26 | LukeNukem | i take it that it would add itself onto GRUB and i dont have to do anything extra like mess around in grub? |
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| 17:53.30 | alex- | vorbote: why do you think so? (about that trouble) |
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| 17:53.52 | vorbote | Lemme put it this way: Each system I've know that has webmin installed has been owned, hard. |
| 17:54.14 | nsadmin | LukeNukem, grub comes with a script update-grub that writes out a grub config filew |
| 17:54.48 | vorbote | alex-: Having the systems under your reponsibility being owned, that is cracked by external black hats... That's my definition of trouble. |
| 17:54.54 | nsadmin | example of a time you would run it, when you installed a new kernel |
| 17:55.37 | vorbote | never install webmin but has inherited some Frankensystems... |
| 17:55.47 | vorbote | s/install/installs/ |
| 17:55.48 | nsadmin | not the greatest example because the package scripts for kernels run update-grub themselves |
| 17:56.01 | nsadmin | asks his frankensister |
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| 17:57.33 | vorbote | The worse part is when you cannot remove webmin because the pointy-haired manager likes to frob the knobs sometimes. Or at least have the potential ability to do it. |
| 17:57.49 | alex- | What do you mean? You can remove it... |
| 17:57.54 | alex- | There is an uinstall script on the website |
| 17:58.04 | vorbote | alex-: you ain't reading. |
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| 17:59.06 | nsadmin | alex-, he means "can't uninstall" because his mgr wants to play with it |
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| 18:02.18 | dondelelcaro | vorbote: that's when you sit down with the manager and explain that his job is to tell someone like you to frob the knobs when they want to |
| 18:02.40 | Woet | i'm not using webmin right now, but i've used it in the past |
| 18:02.52 | Woet | how can it cause exploits? |
| 18:02.59 | vorbote | dondelelcaro: Unfortunately there are lost causes where it is better to retreat. (I did that a long time ago). |
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| 18:03.23 | dondelelcaro | Woet: it has had multiple remote root exploits in the past. It runs as root and does not do privilege separation |
| 18:03.38 | Woet | dondelelcaro: why would anyone run webmin unfirewalled on it's default port? |
| 18:03.52 | Woet | it's an utility, not something you run on a public network accessible for everyone |
| 18:03.56 | vorbote | Woet: Besides it's own vulnerabilities, there is also the issue that you don't control the cruft it can leave behind in critical config files. |
| 18:04.10 | themill | Woet: hiding something away doesn't make it less vulnerable |
| 18:04.33 | Woet | themill: that's why I said unfirewalled too |
| 18:04.34 | dondelelcaro | Woet: of course, but now you've got a vector which will allow for local user to root escalation |
| 18:04.39 | somiaj | so I discovered if you copy over the usb-hdd live images it writes a partition table that leaves teh rest of the usb drive blank for an additional partion to say put firmware and the likes, while they hybrid-iso images don't. Any disavantage to using the usb-hdd images (as in will the hybrid-iso images boot on more machines)? |
| 18:04.53 | Woet | dondelelcaro: i always limited webmin to allow root login only, not system users |
| 18:05.28 | Woet | but yea, it's another way to get exploited, i agree with that |
| 18:05.30 | dondelelcaro | Woet: that's not what I'm talking about |
| 18:06.20 | dondelelcaro | Woet: if you manage to find a local exploit in something which will enable you to execute code as that user, then the firewall has been pierced, and a user can then access webmin to gain root |
| 18:06.57 | dondelelcaro | plus, anyone who actually needs webmin to do anything probably shouldn't have root on a machine in the first place |
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| 18:08.56 | alex- | nsadmin: mgr? |
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| 18:09.15 | alex- | Woet: did you used webmin for your company servers? |
| 18:09.33 | Woet | alex-: nope, just on a testing box cause someone was talking about it |
| 18:09.36 | nsadmin | those people can install debian or something on a spare box whose -only- purpose is to learn what it means to be root, and what it means to provide things plain users need |
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| 18:09.47 | nsadmin | alex-, boss |
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| 18:10.29 | alex- | Woet: which os / control panel are you using then? |
| 18:10.43 | Woet | alex-: for company servers? debian without a CP |
| 18:10.53 | TheWarden | Hi, where can I find instructions on how to install the latest Iceweasel? I tried going to mozilla.debian.net but it appears to be not working. |
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| 18:11.00 | nsadmin | pretty good plan |
| 18:11.00 | alex- | Woet: a lot of php scripts? :P |
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| 18:11.20 | Woet | alex-: for? |
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| 18:11.48 | alex- | creating the gameservers? |
| 18:12.03 | Woet | oh, right |
| 18:12.04 | Woet | not working on that |
| 18:12.06 | Woet | but yes |
| 18:12.24 | alex- | Woet: can I pm you= |
| 18:12.25 | alex- | fsd |
| 18:12.27 | alex- | ? * |
| 18:12.29 | nsadmin | TheWarden, hmm, no doubt... mozilla.debian.net seems to be down |
| 18:12.30 | alex- | damn keyboard... |
| 18:12.41 | Woet | quite sure i cant help you, but sure |
| 18:12.55 | TheWarden | nsadmin: yeah been issues with it for a day or so I noticed. |
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| 18:13.28 | Bartzy | How can I check where stderr and stdout of a pid is ? |
| 18:13.43 | Bartzy | if it's to a file, to the console ? |
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| 18:14.07 | nsadmin | from where? the process itself? |
| 18:14.49 | Bartzy | from the command line |
| 18:14.55 | Bartzy | but I found /proc/PID/fd/ |
| 18:14.59 | Bartzy | What is fd 0 ? |
| 18:15.22 | Bartzy | 1 is STDOUT, 2 is STDERR I guess... 3/4/5..... is stuff that the process opens by itself ? |
| 18:15.36 | nsadmin | well 0, 1, 2 are stdin, st5dout and stderr but not sure what order |
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| 18:16.09 | nsadmin | right, 3 and beyond are opens |
| 18:16.28 | stephanb | can someone recommend me a pdf-reader which can remember the last page i read and display it upon startup? |
| 18:16.47 | nsadmin | okular does that |
| 18:17.13 | stephanb | nsadmin: but not by default and i couldn't find the setting for it, can you help me with that? |
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| 18:18.01 | Bartzy | nsadmin: And if 1 and 2 is directed to /dev/null, anyway that the parent can get them anyway ? |
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| 18:18.28 | nsadmin | oohh, kickedmyself out |
| 18:19.06 | rawtaz | kej |
| 18:19.06 | nsadmin | about ocular, no, it just did that |
| 18:19.08 | rawtaz | oops |
| 18:19.10 | Bartzy | nsadmin: socket:[39846580] |
| 18:19.20 | stephanb | nsadmin: hm... |
| 18:19.21 | Bartzy | How can I get info about this socket ? |
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| 18:19.31 | nsadmin | not sure |
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| 18:20.17 | stephanb | nsadmin: ah okay, works now.. |
| 18:20.46 | nsadmin | btw, do you want a user A to get info on socket of a different process other than the shell owned by user A? |
| 18:20.53 | paese | noob question: when compiling a custom package (nginx), in which directory should i install it? i adding a module to it before compiling it and i need to define a "install directory" (defaults to /opt/nginx"? |
| 18:21.37 | stephanb | paese: i think /opt is already the right place |
| 18:22.08 | paese | stepahnb okay |
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| 18:23.02 | nsadmin | you can take that, or /usr/local, or your home dir... truthfully you have the choice of anywhere, and some areas on a debian machine are not recommended because debian wants control over their content... and if you like/want debian and want to keep the package db and friends happy, you should not mess with those areas |
| 18:23.42 | paese | nsadmin just saw that there is a separate init script which assumes /usr/local so i think i put it there. thanks |
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| 18:24.01 | TheWarden | For now one can use this http://wayback.archive.org/web/*/mozilla.debian.net until http://mozilla.debian.net is backup. |
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| 18:24.26 | nsadmin | well you can always edit the init script, just so you know so you have more choice |
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| 18:56.59 | guardian | i'm configuring shared hosting nginx + php-fpm with unix sockets. i'm having 1 pool per user on the system. what should i rather do? set socket mode to 666 or set it to 660 and add www-data (debian's nginx group) to each user group? |
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| 19:02.16 | jhutchins_lt | guardian: Does fpm do cached compiles of the PHP code? |
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| 19:04.41 | nancy-- | there are ready made shoping cart sites . easy to install e.g opencart and ecommerce. is there a ready made solution for creating a webhost. that starts from ordering and ends to control panel ? what are the most famous control panels for web hosting ? |
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| 19:05.52 | guardian | jhutchins_lt: i don't know :( |
| 19:06.17 | guardian | jhutchins_lt: i'm no expert, discovered php-fpm yesterday and configuring it since then :) |
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| 19:06.46 | LinuxApprentice | ahoy |
| 19:07.08 | nancy-- | ahoy ? |
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| 19:07.20 | LinuxApprentice | nancy--: yes, a pirate greeting. |
| 19:07.35 | nancy-- | i see |
| 19:07.48 | LinuxApprentice | <---- on a ship, connected via sat dish |
| 19:07.51 | LinuxApprentice | AHOY |
| 19:07.56 | LinuxApprentice | :) |
| 19:07.58 | amphi | avast! |
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| 19:16.53 | ElDiabolo | Is there a multi platform package test enviroment , something like cpan testers for debian? |
| 19:17.27 | AthomIk | exist another software of dd for make a file image of a lvm block ? |
| 19:18.27 | ElDiabolo | AthomIk, Why? There is dd_rescue. |
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| 19:25.05 | craaaa | hi my JVM on debian 6.0 crashes often |
| 19:25.13 | craaaa | when running freenet ( freenetproject.org ) on it |
| 19:25.43 | craaaa | "JVM exited in response to signal UNKNOWN (11)." |
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| 19:28.44 | moes | Wanting to download and burn a debian live cd to try before installing...Is this the proper iso..."debian-live-6.0.3-i386-kde desktop.iso |
| 19:29.31 | ksuhku | craaaa, is it oracle or OpenJDK or something else? |
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| 19:30.05 | ksuhku | moes, sure if you want KDE and stable |
| 19:30.10 | AthomIk | ElDiabolo: dd_rescue is for linux file systeme, openbsd is ffs |
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| 19:30.36 | moes | ksuhku, Thanks for the info |
| 19:30.50 | ksuhku | moes, which processor do you have? |
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| 19:31.07 | ksuhku | i.e.32bit or 64bit |
| 19:31.18 | moes | Plentium d dual core 3. ghz |
| 19:31.51 | moes | 32 bit |
| 19:32.12 | ksuhku | wikipedia says 64? |
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| 19:32.42 | moes | x86_64 |
| 19:32.59 | ksuhku | so you might want the amd64 iso |
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| 19:33.27 | onur | Hi. I am using stable. I upgraded few packages with unstable few months ago but I dont remember which packages are. Is there any way to list that packages not belong to stable? |
| 19:33.33 | ksuhku | !amd64 |
| 19:33.33 | dpkg | amd64 is the Debian architecture optimized for x86-64, aka AMD64. Consider using Debian i386 on x86-64 machines if you do not have a good reason to use Debian amd64. The AMD64 architecture also supports running Debian i386 with either a -686 or -amd64 kernel. Intel Core 2, Core i3/i5/i7 and Xeon (since 2004) systems are x86-64. http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ #debian-amd64 on OFTC and freenode. See also <why amd64>. |
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| 19:40.34 | LinuxApprentice | why are there updates for hp printer drivers? i don't even have a printer hooked to this machine |
| 19:40.50 | LinuxApprentice | has everyone updated from 6.0.3 to 6.0.4 ? |
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| 19:43.30 | ksuhku | LinuxApprentice, the updater should tell you the reason |
| 19:43.50 | ksuhku | and if you're unlikely to connect to a printer, you might want to lose the drivers |
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| 20:01.33 | takahiro | anyone here know how to configure nm? |
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| 20:02.01 | JordiGH | I'm really nervous over trying a new X. |
| 20:02.36 | JordiGH | There seems to be no xserver-xorg-input-kbd package in squeeze-backports. Is this a problem? |
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| 20:04.24 | alex- | Is there any way I can get the pidof a running process based on a folder? |
| 20:05.34 | JordiGH | alex-: lsof? |
| 20:05.57 | alex- | command not found |
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| 20:06.22 | takahiro | wow im so confused, how do i use NetworkManager? |
| 20:06.25 | alex- | I will try with another system |
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| 20:07.04 | ksuhku | alex-, apt-get install lsof |
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| 20:08.04 | alex- | How does it works? |
| 20:08.27 | ksuhku | man lsof |
| 20:08.49 | alex- | How to open man lsof with nano? |
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| 20:09.25 | ksuhku | uhm, man lsof is a command |
| 20:09.33 | alex- | it opens with some kind of vi thing |
| 20:09.50 | ksuhku | the default pager |
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| 20:10.12 | ksuhku | less |
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| 20:10.49 | p01s0nb1t | alex-: in absence of lsof, I have crafted this now: for f in /proc/*/fd/*; do [[ $( readlink "$f" ) = *mozilla* ]] && p=${f##/proc/}; echo "${p%%/*}"; done | sort -u |
| 20:11.01 | p01s0nb1t | change "mozilla" by your folder indentifier |
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| 20:11.15 | alex- | Folder identifier? |
| 20:11.40 | p01s0nb1t | "a running process based on a folder" I've used mozilla to catch my ps tree |
| 20:11.44 | alex- | The 2 programs I started are in /home/alex/mta/we/mta-server and in /home/alex/er/mta-server |
| 20:11.47 | IncognitoMan | Curious, installed chrome and my flash videos turn blue |
| 20:12.00 | IncognitoMan | any idea how to fix that? |
| 20:12.03 | p01s0nb1t | then use "mta-server" instead of "mozilla" in my oneliner |
| 20:12.15 | alex- | but I have 2 of them running |
| 20:12.19 | alex- | and only want to shutdown 1 |
| 20:12.24 | IncognitoMan | works fine with iceweasel...just fails with chrome =_= |
| 20:12.30 | p01s0nb1t | also not all machines have /proc, but default debian kernels does have it |
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| 20:12.59 | merethan | Hi all |
| 20:13.07 | merethan | pkg-fso.alioth.debian.org seems to be down |
| 20:13.41 | p01s0nb1t | alex-: also the $( readlink....) should be quoted: "$(...)" |
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| 20:13.51 | merethan | pkg-fso.alioth.debian.org used to host some files required for installing Debian on the Neo Freerunner |
| 20:14.08 | merethan | Somebody knows who might be responsible for this host? |
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| 20:14.13 | alex- | for f in /proc/*/fd/*; do [[ "$( readlink "$f" )" = *mta-server* ]] && p=${f##/proc/}; echo "${p%%/*}"; done | sort -u |
| 20:14.16 | alex- | p01s0nb1t: ^ |
| 20:14.23 | alex- | no result.. |
| 20:14.31 | p01s0nb1t | that is, now try it and see if it prints the pid/pids |
| 20:14.35 | p01s0nb1t | uh |
| 20:14.47 | alex- | just a blank line after it |
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| 20:15.18 | p01s0nb1t | well, my onliner searchs "open files", not folders, sorry |
| 20:15.20 | Some_Person | What DM does the Debian testing disc with Xfce install? |
| 20:15.25 | alex- | is this because I didn't start the process by typing mta-server ? |
| 20:15.40 | alex- | I started it by typing cd /home/alex/mta/we/ |
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| 20:15.47 | alex- | and then nohup ./mta-server & |
| 20:16.11 | aguitel | is nvidia-173 working in testing ? |
| 20:16.21 | p01s0nb1t | alex-: no, I think it's because my onliner searchs filedescriptors "open", but no "directory-descriptors" to call them in some way xD |
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| 20:17.40 | p01s0nb1t | alex-: there is a /proc/$$/cwd |
| 20:17.59 | p01s0nb1t | that is a link to the proccess path |
| 20:18.29 | p01s0nb1t | try with for f in /proc/*/cwd |
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| 20:20.34 | alex- | why cwd? |
| 20:20.48 | p01s0nb1t | current work dir |
| 20:20.51 | alex- | for f in /proc/*/cwd/*; do [[ "$( readlink "$f" )" = *mta-server* ]] && p=${f##/proc/}; echo "${p%%/*}"; done | sort -u |
| 20:21.16 | alex- | nothing |
| 20:21.20 | p01s0nb1t | no no, remove the /*, the soft link is located at /proc/$PID/cwd |
| 20:21.33 | alex- | for f in /proc/$PID/cwd/*; do [[ "$( readlink "$f" )" = *mta-server* ]] && p=${f##/proc/}; echo "${p%%/*}"; done | sort -u |
| 20:21.38 | mroe | I am about to reboot a server remotely, is there a way I can tell if it will fsked? |
| 20:21.39 | alex- | still nothgin |
| 20:21.45 | mroe | fsk* |
| 20:21.45 | p01s0nb1t | for f in /proc/$PID/cwd; do |
| 20:21.52 | takahiro | how hard would it be to convert these rpms into debian packages? http://sisyphus.ru/en/srpm/Sisyphus/wimax-network-service/get |
| 20:22.00 | p01s0nb1t | arg, for f in /proc/*/cwd; do |
| 20:22.18 | p01s0nb1t | takahiro: there is an "alien" package that may help |
| 20:22.42 | p01s0nb1t | "Description: convert and install rpm and other packages" |
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| 20:22.54 | takahiro | thanks |
| 20:23.07 | p01s0nb1t | np |
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| 20:25.00 | alex- | p01s0nb1t: i dont understand it anymore... |
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| 20:26.28 | p01s0nb1t | alex-: /proc/*/fd/* expands to open "filedescriptors" of /proc pids... /proc/*/cwd expands to "current work dir" of /proc pids (using readlink in both cases) |
| 20:27.17 | alex- | -bash: /proc/18100/fd/0: Permission denied |
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| 20:27.56 | alex- | p01s0nb1t: ^ |
| 20:28.02 | guardian | i need a hand please — in the context of shared hosting; should i rather add www-data user to every user group, or add every user to the www-data group? i need the nginx process (run by www-data) to access my /var/run/php5-fpm/*.sock sockets which have 660 permission |
| 20:28.09 | p01s0nb1t | if you're planing to run it as plain user, you can add a 2 > /dev/null to avoid stderr |
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| 20:28.11 | p01s0nb1t | ^^ alex- |
| 20:28.27 | alex- | what do you mean? |
| 20:28.43 | LinuxApprentice | how do i completely remove gnome2 and all gnome software except gdm3? |
| 20:29.14 | p01s0nb1t | alex-: I mean what I write, what do you don't understand ? |
| 20:29.22 | dvs | !tell LinuxApprentice about remove gnome |
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| 20:29.55 | Moebius | if i were you i wouldn't do it :) Just leave it there and use something else instead, 'cause you'll probably get back after a while |
| 20:30.23 | alex- | 2 > / dev / null ? |
| 20:30.35 | alex- | !tell alex- about remove gnome |
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| 20:30.56 | LinuxApprentice | Moebius: wouldn't do what? remove gnome? |
| 20:31.02 | Moebius | yep. |
| 20:31.09 | Moebius | just leave it.. does it take so much space? |
| 20:31.33 | LinuxApprentice | Moebius: why not? my reason is that this system is a pentium 3 with 256MB of ram and gnome2 doesn't run well on it |
| 20:31.56 | LinuxApprentice | Moebius: gnome and all the associated software probably takes up 1GB+ |
| 20:32.01 | p01s0nb1t | mroe: still searching for a response? dumpe2fs -h /dev/sda3 for example |
| 20:32.27 | aguitel | is nvidia-173 working in testing ? |
| 20:32.32 | LinuxApprentice | i'm going to remove gnome and use a tiling wm and minimalist DE like e17 |
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| 20:34.11 | LinuxApprentice | what's the pkg name of e17/enlightenment |
| 20:34.12 | yodaboy22 | and i thought i had memory problems... |
| 20:34.29 | ksuhku | you remember wrong |
| 20:34.34 | jelly-home | aguitel: probably not, xorg is too new |
| 20:34.35 | dvs | studders about fvwm |
| 20:34.56 | LinuxApprentice | dvs: fvwm ? |
| 20:35.07 | dvs | !fvwm |
| 20:35.07 | dpkg | The F Virtual Window Manager (FVWM) is a fully ICCCM-compliant window manager. http://www.fvwm.org/ |
| 20:35.23 | p01s0nb1t | LinuxApprentice: if it's about resources, maybe "exec startx" is better than keep gdm3, or even maybe there are other session managers more light (xdm, nodm, lxsession...) |
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| 20:37.44 | nancy-- | how to delete duplicate words in a file ? each word is on each line ? |
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| 20:38.41 | ksuhku | nancy--, see unique and sort commands |
| 20:38.54 | p01s0nb1t | nancy--: can you sort the contents ? or do you need to mantain file order ? |
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| 20:40.15 | LinuxApprentice | is e17 in the backports? whats the pkg name? |
| 20:40.22 | nancy-- | p01s0nb1t, i wanted to index it a to z too |
| 20:41.01 | p01s0nb1t | sort -u < file # is that what you're searching for ? |
| 20:41.28 | nancy-- | i think... |
| 20:41.53 | kevlarman | is there any end user documentation on setting up multiarch? |
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| 20:43.11 | nancy-- | i want to save the sorted and uniq words file too. how to do it? p01s0nb1t |
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| 20:43.31 | aguitel | jelly-home, need to wait for something ? |
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| 20:44.10 | p01s0nb1t | nancy--: there is more than one way to do it, one easy is to group commands and redirect (sort -u < file) > file2 |
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| 20:44.40 | nancy-- | ok.. |
| 20:44.47 | p01s0nb1t | using a subshell to group them () or using {} that does not fork |
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| 20:45.26 | p01s0nb1t | other way is to save results in a variable (if file size is not big), and print the variable to a file |
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| 20:45.39 | guardian | i need a hand please — in the context of shared hosting; should i rather add www-data user to every user group, or add every user to the www-data group? i need the nginx process (run by www-data) to access my /var/run/php5-fpm/*.sock sockets which have 660 permission |
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| 20:46.05 | nancy-- | p01s0nb1t, file is big and (sort -u < thenameslist.txt) > file2 is not doing anything |
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| 20:47.19 | p01s0nb1t | nancy--: do you have a "file2" with the sorted contents ? you should |
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| 20:48.00 | p01s0nb1t | if you want to see the output in the screen (stdout) at the same time it goes to the file, you can use (sort -u < thenameslist.txt) | tee file2 |
| 20:48.11 | orl | Hi! |
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| 20:48.28 | sharkfang | Say -- why is xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd available for stable & unstable, but not testing? |
| 20:48.29 | orl | I'm always with my problem when trying to compile jack using dpkg-buildpackage from debian sources |
| 20:48.55 | orl | I get the following error: /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-linux-gnu/4.4.5/libstdc++.a: could not read symbols: Bad value |
| 20:49.10 | orl | googled a bit, but it's quite technical, and can't find out what to do |
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| 20:49.50 | orl | By the way, I've got to precise, I want to build jackd2 from unstable, even if I'm in Wheezy (please note that I use jackd2 package from unstable, and it's working properly, except an build option I would like to change) |
| 20:49.55 | nancy-- | p01s0nb1t, my original thenameslist.txt was resized to 0 when i typed sort -u < file |
| 20:49.59 | dvs | orl: You own an Itanium? |
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| 20:50.07 | nancy-- | p01s0nb1t, but now i have a sorted file2 . thx |
| 20:50.11 | orl | dvs: Itanium? |
| 20:50.14 | orl | what's that? |
| 20:50.17 | dvs | oops. Wrong architecture. |
| 20:50.28 | boudiccas | what other dvd burning programs are there please for squeeze? k3b is refusing to see the blank dvd, brasero only burns half the dvd |
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| 20:50.34 | jelly-home | aguitel: it will never work again, in all likelihood |
| 20:50.39 | orl | dvs: wrong arch? |
| 20:50.51 | jelly-home | aguitel: use squeeze, or switch to free drivers |
| 20:50.53 | orl | dvs: I use 64 bits distro |
| 20:51.09 | sharkfang | orl: ia64 == itanium. It was intel's first attempt at a 64-bit processor and it wasn't compatible with x86_64 -- which is what you have right now. |
| 20:51.23 | orl | sharkfang: yes |
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| 20:51.39 | aguitel | jelly-home, but this driver are in sid |
| 20:51.49 | aguitel | jelly-home, why ? |
| 20:52.06 | jelly-home | aguitel: no idea |
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| 20:52.37 | sharkfang | Say -- why is xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd available for squeeze & sid, but not wheezy? |
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| 20:53.28 | aguitel | jelly-home, http://packages.debian.org/sid/nvidia-kernel-legacy-173xx-source |
| 20:53.50 | neoice | so now that Xen is in 3.0, is Xen still going to be included in wheezy? |
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| 20:54.06 | boudiccas | what other dvd burning programs are there please for squeeze? k3b is refusing to see the blank dvd, brasero only burns half the dvd |
| 20:54.16 | p01s0nb1t | nancy--: sorry I was reading other channels, "sort -u < file" should never trunkate file to 0, maybe other test you've done |
| 20:54.31 | orl | boudiccas: it's weird, never get any problem with one nor the other |
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| 20:54.44 | orl | boudiccas: what version of Debian are you using? |
| 20:55.05 | boudiccas | orl; the clue is in the question ............. squeeze |
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| 20:56.17 | jelly-home | boudiccas: growisofs |
| 20:57.37 | orl | boudiccas: sorry, btw, I would suggest there's a problem with your CD burner, cause I use both of them in Squeeze and Wheezey, on several machines, 64 and 32 bits, and do not have any problem |
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| 20:58.02 | yodaboy22 | do you guys buy debian preinstalled? |
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| 20:58.14 | jelly-home | aguitel: I don't have anything useful to add, sorry |
| 20:58.29 | yodaboy22 | i imagine most of you wiped windows and installed debian |
| 20:58.49 | dvs | yodaboy22: Nope, Windows is still there. |
| 20:58.52 | jelly-home | yodaboy22: I install it for my clients |
| 20:59.02 | iateadonut | trying to install the latest version of dvdstyler from source. some depends, cdrtools wxGTK wxSVG, or not available from the repo's - i'm guessing they are but their packages are another name; how can i find them? |
| 20:59.34 | iateadonut | second, i'm also guessing that dvdstyler already has a package somewhere ready to go for debian - how can i find it? put my apt to unstable or something? |
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| 21:01.07 | nancy-- | while useing nohup & it outputs. the results in nohup.out . is there a way not to make it create this nohup.out file ? |
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| 21:02.09 | p01s0nb1t | iateadonut: you can find packages in the repos of your sources.list using apt-cache search (ie. apt-cache search wx gtk) or using packages.debian.org for dvdstyler, you can try available packaged versions in debian-multimedia.org but no official support from debian to such repo |
| 21:02.25 | Erik___ | Can someone help me to see if this command is safe to use? |
| 21:02.39 | p01s0nb1t | nancy--: redirect stdout or run froma non interactive shell (i.e. cron) |
| 21:02.42 | dvs | prepares an op |
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| 21:03.22 | Erik___ | I am trying to upgrade from squeeze to wheezy but need to fix an issue with my video card first. I was told to run "aptitude install firmware-linux-nonfree xserver-xorg-video-radeon". I am prompted as such to answer this: http://pastebin.com/AszZQ9fH |
| 21:03.42 | Erik___ | I'm a relative beginner. Should I be worried with that command breaking anything? |
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| 21:05.15 | m3rlinux | what command? |
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| 21:06.30 | Erik___ | m3rlinux: aptitude install firmware-linux-nonfree xserver-xorg-video-radeon |
| 21:06.33 | iateadonut | is it a good idea for me to change the repo's to testing if i need later versions of a package? |
| 21:07.02 | Erik___ | m3rlinux: I was having trouble with dist-upgrade because my screen would go black and I couldn't see anything, so I was told to run that command |
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| 21:07.06 | teratoma | iateadonut: probably not. look up 'debian backpots' or 'apt pinning' |
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| 21:07.18 | teratoma | iateadonut: i mean 'debian backports' |
| 21:07.42 | yodaboy22 | so i recently installed debian |
| 21:07.49 | yodaboy22 | and windows doesn't boot |
| 21:07.59 | yodaboy22 | the files for it are still there though |
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| 21:08.18 | yodaboy22 | well, it may be able to boot |
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| 21:08.33 | yodaboy22 | it just defaults to booting debian when i turn on my laptop |
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| 21:08.39 | nancy-- | p01s0nb1t, append '>/dev/null' |
| 21:08.40 | nancy-- | ? |
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| 21:08.46 | iateadonut | teratoma, got it. i'm probably running 'squeeze' right? |
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| 21:09.00 | dvs | yodaboy22: So? aptitude install os-prober |
| 21:09.08 | nancy-- | p01s0nb1t, i mean nohup whatever >/dev/null & |
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| 21:09.27 | Erik___ | m3rlinux: Any advice? |
| 21:09.47 | gasull | I installed apparmor. To load the module I guess I need to add it to /etc/modules. Do I risk breaking something, like Apparmor preventing me from login in? |
| 21:09.49 | p01s0nb1t | nancy--: If you don't want to save output, yes, the syntax is: nohup commands > destination_for_output |
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| 21:10.16 | nplus | Is there something going on with some of debians servers? I can't get to git.debian.org |
| 21:10.20 | m3rlinux | sorry tel... hold on ;) |
| 21:10.41 | iateadonut | 6.0.2 is squeeze? |
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| 21:10.56 | yodaboy22 | dvs: i'll try that |
| 21:11.03 | p01s0nb1t | gasull: try to modprobe it and login from a tty, if your login works with the module loaded, you can add it safely |
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| 21:11.27 | p01s0nb1t | if don't, you can modprobe -r from your open sessions |
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| 21:11.50 | gasull | p01s0nb1t: thanks |
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| 21:12.31 | p01s0nb1t | I don't use apparmor, but be sure that user space process/daemons if any are started when you test the login |
| 21:14.01 | m3rlinux | Erik___ I'm here |
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| 21:14.52 | m3rlinux | My skills are for linux server |
| 21:15.03 | Erik___ | m3rlinux: Thanks. I'm sorry if I feel a bit nagging, but I've had a couple of problems switching from Mint to Debian and this is the last one. I'm a high school student and get to start my a computer science course at our local college tomorrow and am trying to get the last of my things ready |
| 21:15.16 | m3rlinux | I can't help this time :( |
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| 21:15.25 | Erik___ | m3rlinux: Oh. Okay, that's fine |
| 21:15.33 | Erik___ | m3rlinux: Thanks anyways |
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| 21:17.04 | nplus | Is there something going on with some of debians servers? I can't get to git.debian.org |
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| 21:17.16 | ompaul | Erik___: you should put a full question in the channel, defining what you are running, what you want it to do that it is not, or what it is doing when you expected something else |
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| 21:17.40 | Erik___ | ompaul: You mean like one longer statement on here? |
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| 21:17.57 | tensorpudding | nplus, on #debian-mentors last night i saw people talking about it, saying that it was down |
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| 21:19.28 | ompaul | Erik___: a long descriptive expectation, with info about what your doing etc and so on |
| 21:19.42 | Erik___ | ompaul: Okay, I'll write one. |
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| 21:20.01 | ompaul | Erik___: useful to do one thing at a time :) |
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| 21:21.51 | p01s0nb1t | about git.debian.org, it's curious that ips under 217.196.43.140 are not reachable too (139, 138...) but 141 works, maybe a network related issue at trent.core.telegraaf.net |
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| 21:26.53 | sharkfang | Say -- why is xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd available for squeeze & sid, but not wheezy? |
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| 21:27.11 | p01s0nb1t | mmm 217.196.43.1 (43.1.gw-core.telegraaf.net) seems reachable 100%, maybe just the server |
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| 21:28.04 | Erik___ | Everything described for the problem is now here: http://pastebin.com/KZ4v9bqY |
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| 21:28.44 | ompaul | Erik___: gnome in testing is in testing - it is not release it will break - if you can cope with that |
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| 21:29.15 | Erik___ | ompaul: I don't quite understand what you mean. |
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| 21:29.35 | ompaul | Erik___: testing is not a release, you say you need to use the computer, therefore your objective to use testing may not be aligned with your requirement |
| 21:30.17 | p01s0nb1t | sharkfang: it is in sid only for the "m68k" arch, and maybe it get removed from too |
| 21:30.21 | ompaul | Erik___: have you done any dist-upgrading so far? |
| 21:31.04 | Erik___ | ompaul: On my netbook. It went fine and I can use a variety of software with no problems. Since I'm trying to keep the two computers pretty similar, I'd like to do the same to my desktop. |
| 21:31.22 | Erik___ | ompaul: But I haven't run dist-upgrade on my desktop yet on this install, if that's what you are asking. |
| 21:32.00 | ompaul | Erik___: that is what I said. It is not advised to run testing. If you insist, you go ahead and see what happens next |
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| 21:32.25 | ompaul | Erik___: however you need to know if something breaks you might be wait |
| 21:32.32 | ompaul | Erik___: however you need to know if something breaks you might be waiting for a fix for a day or so |
| 21:32.38 | ompaul | can you live with that? |
| 21:32.59 | Erik___ | ompaul: Yeah, I think so |
| 21:33.11 | p01s0nb1t | sometimes a day, sometimes a week, some times a month.... |
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| 21:33.53 | ompaul | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:34.27 | ompaul | Erik___: it points to a couple of packages you should know about, but it is not 100% accurate because bug reporting may not catch the error you find |
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| 21:34.39 | CAPITALISMUS | is the mint version of debian broken yet? |
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| 21:35.31 | ompaul | CAPITALISMUS: how would we know, you might want to ask them |
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| 21:36.07 | CAPITALISMUS | theyr version is compatible with debian |
| 21:36.15 | Erik___ | ompaul: But I think the solution exists to the problem I just don't know if I should choose yes or not. :| |
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| 21:36.43 | ompaul | CAPITALISMUS: they have changes, how would those in #debian know about such changes? |
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| 21:38.09 | CAPITALISMUS | because they use devbian mint |
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| 21:38.40 | Erik___ | ompaul: Maybe just adding -f would work? |
| 21:38.41 | ompaul | CAPITALISMUS: eh hang about, the guy uses debian squeeze, has in the past used mint afik |
| 21:38.54 | ompaul | Erik___: you could do it, if you use -f it will break :) |
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| 21:39.23 | ompaul | Erik___: because forcing things creates forced bits which dont match - will you see the impact of the force who knows |
| 21:39.32 | CAPITALISMUS | arent those changes merely cosmetic |
| 21:39.46 | ompaul | CAPITALISMUS: then why have mint |
| 21:39.59 | CAPITALISMUS | because it looks good |
| 21:40.22 | ompaul | CAPITALISMUS: I have seen some of the scripting a while ago for that, didn't like what I saw, this is offtopic thanks :) |
| 21:40.26 | Erik___ | ompaul: So is there something that I can add to aptitude install -something to get all dependencies? |
| 21:41.39 | ompaul | Erik___: no, because the packages are not ready yet. Erik___you really need to go and understand more about running a stable system for a while than living in the land of testing and it breaking on you |
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| 21:43.43 | sharkfang | p01s0nb1t: Hmm. Did it get rolled into radeon? |
| 21:43.58 | sharkfang | I have an r700 and I thought I was supposed to use radeonhd for tha. |
| 21:44.00 | sharkfang | *that |
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| 21:44.47 | nand` | What's a good alternative to Consolas? Preferably one that works without anti-aliasing |
| 21:44.54 | Erik___ | ompaul: It just seemed a bit frustrating that some of the software I would like to use is in wheezy. Is that typical? |
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| 21:45.40 | ompaul | Erik___: stable works, what do you want that is not in stable? |
| 21:45.57 | p01s0nb1t | sharkfang: sorry, ony intel and nvidia cards here, someone said to use the Xorg drivers, I don't remember the name |
| 21:46.12 | Erik___ | ompaul: Just more updated and modern things. One example would be the Chrome browser. |
| 21:46.27 | ompaul | !tell Erik___ about ssb |
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| 21:46.41 | ompaul | Erik___: go look at that message from the bot |
| 21:46.53 | p01s0nb1t | nand`: you may look if you like "Terminus" (package xfonts-terminus-*), not really very similar to consolas, but good for fixed width |
| 21:47.13 | ompaul | Erik___: however know this, mixing up stuff things may end up not stable |
| 21:47.18 | Erik___ | ompaul: And that's not time consuming? |
| 21:47.24 | ompaul | Erik___: it works |
| 21:47.29 | gasull | I installed apparmor and when I try to load the module with modprobe I get this error: FATAL: Module apparmor not found. |
| 21:47.49 | Erik___ | ompaul: Hmm. |
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| 21:48.08 | ompaul | Erik___: if you want to run the bleeding edge expect it to break on the day you most need it |
| 21:48.19 | nand` | p01s0nb1t: I'll consider it. I'm looking for something reasonably close to consolas though if possible. Right now I'm using the standard -misc-fixed |
| 21:48.25 | nand` | I like that as well, except for the 3 and ~ |
| 21:48.42 | Erik___ | ompaul: I understand what you are saying, but what would you do if you still wanted to run wheezy? |
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| 21:50.45 | Erik___ | ompaul: Which do you use? |
| 21:50.50 | ompaul | Erik___: if you insist, then the question is why wheezy when you could run sid, go read that web page I pointed at, if you insist you will of course apt-get dist-upgrade, (note dist-upgrade not safe or any other twaddle or even upgrades on their own) however it is not suggested by here |
| 21:50.56 | ompaul | Erik___: as you ask SID |
| 21:51.18 | ompaul | Erik___: but it is not suggested by anyone here- on work computers I run stable for my colleagues to work on |
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| 21:51.56 | joar | I accidentally removed GNOME, it seems. |
| 21:52.04 | joar | My intention was just to remove fglrx |
| 21:52.10 | p01s0nb1t | nand`: maybe package ttf-inconsolata ? http://www.levien.com/type/myfonts/inconsolata.html |
| 21:52.23 | p01s0nb1t | I think terminus is more like misc-fixed than like consolas |
| 21:52.25 | ompaul | joar: read your log file and see what you have to add back - it will tell you |
| 21:52.33 | ompaul | joar: /var/log/dpkg |
| 21:53.13 | nplus | tensorpudding, p01s0nb1t thanks (about debian's servers) |
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| 21:54.17 | joar | p01s0nb1t: tried inconsolata? |
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| 21:54.30 | Arafangion | The debian/devel website has a dead link. |
| 21:54.40 | Arafangion | http://pkg-mono.alioth.debian.org/cli-policy/ <-- Dead |
| 21:54.41 | p01s0nb1t | joar: nope, I always use terminus |
| 21:55.04 | joar | p01s0nb1t: sorry, didn't see your ttf-inconsolata thing |
| 21:55.34 | p01s0nb1t | Arafangion: if you have not rights to fix it, maybe you can send a mail to pkg-mono list |
| 21:55.38 | nand` | p01s0nb1t: I'll try both, thanks |
| 21:55.42 | joar | ompaul: what can I learn from my dpkg log? |
| 21:56.10 | ompaul | joar: what packages were taken out and you can put them back in |
| 21:56.16 | Arafangion | p01s0nb1t: I don't have rights, will see if I can send an email later. |
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| 21:57.12 | p01s0nb1t | errr Arafangion stop |
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| 21:57.23 | p01s0nb1t | see alioth is down, so maybe the link is ok |
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| 21:57.34 | p01s0nb1t | :) |
| 21:57.53 | Arafangion | p01s0nb1t: It was still in google's cache, so I thought it must've been recent. :) |
| 21:58.01 | joar | ompaul: are there any alternative drivers (to fglrx) that I can use? I have some issues with fglrx namely it crashing under certain, common circumstances (e.g. launching totem) |
| 21:58.12 | Arafangion | Interestingly, the python policy isn't on alioth. |
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| 21:59.15 | ompaul | joar: if you ripped out a lot of packages you need to get a working install first - try apt-get install gnome and see if that drags in something simple for that I buy so as not to have to support ATI and have done for years so no ideas there |
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| 22:00.20 | joar | ompaul: would a reboot be necessary to check if gnome pulled in something useful? |
| 22:01.03 | ompaul | joar: it would be more helpful than not |
| 22:01.47 | ompaul | joar: howeer still look in the dpkg log - do some work on it and be more comfortable it's not magic, there is no magic, only reasoned logic |
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| 22:03.28 | HSorgYves | can someone please point me to the url about mixed system (stable / testing) for use in squeeze? |
| 22:03.51 | streuner | HSorgYves: /msg dpkg bobbitt |
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| 22:05.53 | joar | ompaul: still nothing after reboot, whenever I try startx it says "failed to load module "fglrx" module does not exist" |
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| 22:06.56 | ompaul | joar: look here http://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo |
| 22:07.02 | joar | ompaul: I tried a dpkg-reconfigure glx-alternatives-mesa, but still the same error. |
| 22:07.14 | joar | ompaul: I would if i'd have a graphic interface. |
| 22:07.51 | ompaul | joar: I don't use fglrx so I really don't pay attention to it, it's overe there in the couldn't care less in my world box, but that page my provide some clues on it |
| 22:08.18 | HSorgYves | streuner: depends if there are dependies or not... |
| 22:08.35 | joar | I see :( I will try to make something of it. |
| 22:08.52 | joar | thank you for your help still, ompaul |
| 22:08.59 | ompaul | joar: fromwhat you said - you need to reinstall lots of stuff so go read the log file p it tells you what you did |
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| 22:10.01 | hyppias | how does Debian know where to finf packages on the net? |
| 22:10.33 | ompaul | hyppias: /etc/apt/sources.list files |
| 22:10.48 | ompaul | hyppias: which gets configured at install time |
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| 22:14.20 | hyppias | ompaul thnx. |
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| 22:14.58 | Erik___ | ompaul: I decided to still go with wheezy and terminal showed me a different solution when I cycled through some by saying no to a couple. One of them seemed to be closest to fine and I checked which two packages wouldn't have their dependencies met. |
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| 22:15.32 | Erik___ | ompaul: I looked the packages up on the debian website and found that they were only in squeeze and I wondered if this would probably be okay since I am moving to wheezy? |
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| 22:17.07 | ompaul | Erik___: at some stage you have to make a decision. What you have said is this: I am upgrading from a system package X-version1 is on it, and when I go to next version I find that XY-Version-2 is going to be there. looks reasonable, but you have to take that chance yourself. I won't tell you to. |
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| 22:17.55 | ompaul | Erik___: i.e. feel the happiness of owning your own responsibility;-) |
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| 22:18.17 | Erik___ | ompaul: Hahaha. :D Can you anwer me one last thing? I appreciate the help. Even if you haven't persuaded me to stay with squeeze, I appreciate the insight |
| 22:18.44 | ompaul | Erik___: and know this, when the machine breaks you get to keep the pieces, but then all you can do apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade every few hours until it works |
| 22:19.27 | ompaul | Erik___: or you can start debugging problems, and this channel is not for that as much as #debian-next on irc.oftc.is where they have the big bugs in the channel topic |
| 22:19.31 | Erik___ | ompal: But isn't that the logic behind choosing testing vs. sid? |
| 22:19.40 | Erik___ | Wrong name, sorry |
| 22:19.58 | Erik___ | ompaul: I mean, testing is more modern then stable but more stable then unstable |
| 22:20.25 | ompaul | Erik___: read what the difference is between SID and testing please |
| 22:20.51 | Kamping_Kaiser | wondesr how people can still be getting this stuff confused (: |
| 22:21.04 | Kamping_Kaiser | ompaul: greetings |
| 22:21.05 | ompaul | Erik___: you need to research these things. IRC won't explain it in sufficient detail |
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| 22:21.15 | ompaul | Kamping_Kaiser: I was thinking about you this morning! :) |
| 22:21.22 | ompaul | good to see ya mate |
| 22:21.23 | Kamping_Kaiser | ompaul: i'm flattered? ;) |
| 22:21.53 | ompaul | Kamping_Kaiser: I'm now officially stuck for words :P |
| 22:22.08 | Kamping_Kaiser | hehe |
| 22:22.21 | Kamping_Kaiser | hows it been? |
| 22:22.28 | joar | ompaul: my logs stated I had only removed fglrx, reinstalled them and I am now in GNOME again. |
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| 22:22.54 | ompaul | Kamping_Kaiser: pm me a phone number if you can |
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| 22:23.17 | Kamping_Kaiser | ompaul: we don't have a landline number |
| 22:23.29 | ompaul | Kamping_Kaiser: okiedokie |
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| 22:34.25 | marcreichelt | hi there! I recently upgraded to Debian Squeeze, and now I want to run 'dpkg-reconfigure sysv-rc' in order to get the new dependency based boot to run. However, I get the message 'insserv: script vzreboot: service vzreboot already provided!'. What is the cleanest way to fix this vzreboot problem? |
| 22:35.34 | innociv | Is there a one line command that'll create a file with one line of text in it? |
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| 22:35.55 | Kamping_Kaiser | innociv: echo and > |
| 22:36.09 | Kamping_Kaiser | marcreichelt: check its lsb headers |
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| 22:36.30 | ompaul | innociv: echo "" > foo |
| 22:36.40 | innociv | echo "line of blah blah" > path/to/whatever.conf? K sounds right. Thanks. |
| 22:37.06 | ompaul | innociv: however the "" are not needed but I like to make sure what I am doing :) |
| 22:38.35 | innociv | Hm. What if I need to sudo it? sudo echo isn't enough. sudo echo "" > sudo foo? What do I need to add to sudoers to allow the later? |
| 22:39.30 | marcreichelt | Kamping_Kaiser, how? |
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| 22:40.17 | Kamping_Kaiser | innociv: if you are reating the file, try echo "foo" |sudo tee /new/path |
| 22:40.23 | Kamping_Kaiser | innociv: note it will blow away /new/path if it already exists |
| 22:40.35 | Kamping_Kaiser | you nee -a to append |
| 22:41.11 | Kamping_Kaiser | marcreichelt: grep vzreboot /etc/init.d/* and see what file(s) provide it |
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| 22:41.40 | innociv | so I need to add /bin/echo and /usr/bin/tee to sudoers? |
| 22:41.46 | innociv | i'll tias |
| 22:41.53 | markvandenborre | I have a rather strange question |
| 22:42.02 | marcreichelt | Kamping_Kaiser, http://pastebin.com/wUQSug0e |
| 22:42.48 | innociv | That worked, thanks! |
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| 22:43.27 | markvandenborre | I'm co-organising a rather popular FOSS conference (hint: it's in a week...) |
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| 22:43.40 | Kamping_Kaiser | innociv: are you trying to create files without authorisation? |
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| 22:43.45 | Kamping_Kaiser | *allow people to |
| 22:43.49 | markvandenborre | and I wonder how to more elegantly say something along the lines of: df /dev/room | grep 100% && /bin/enter && /bin/fart >> $you |
| 22:43.50 | innociv | for php-cli. |
| 22:44.33 | markvandenborre | ("If you enterthis developer room when it is clearly full, someone will fart in your general direction") |
| 22:44.38 | innociv | Hm I should probably make a folder owned by php-cli instead |
| 22:44.40 | markvandenborre | or something like that |
| 22:45.13 | Kamping_Kaiser | marcreichelt: you'l have to modify one of the scripts not to provide vzreboot |
| 22:45.20 | markvandenborre | any suggestions on how to make this more bashy, unixy or clearer? |
| 22:45.25 | Kamping_Kaiser | in all likelyhood vzquota should provide vzquota |
| 22:45.40 | Kamping_Kaiser | perhaps check upstreams bts/lists for other people with teh same problem to confirm |
| 22:46.00 | Kamping_Kaiser | marcreichelt: linux.conf.au has passed, so what other popular conference could there possibly be? ;) |
| 22:46.10 | Kamping_Kaiser | innociv: *twitch twich* |
| 22:46.12 | Kamping_Kaiser | :) |
| 22:46.25 | innociv | Hm? That's not good enough? |
| 22:46.51 | Kamping_Kaiser | unless you're very careful with your rules, the idea of allowing php to sudo freaks me out a little |
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| 22:46.58 | Kamping_Kaiser | even if you are careful its unnerving me |
| 22:46.59 | innociv | It's php-cli not php itself |
| 22:47.14 | Kamping_Kaiser | controlled environment? |
| 22:47.16 | innociv | Only cron or someone logged into the php-cli user can do it |
| 22:47.21 | innociv | php command line |
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| 22:47.26 | innociv | It's not on the web. |
| 22:47.31 | Kamping_Kaiser | ok |
| 22:47.38 | Kamping_Kaiser | thats not as scary then (: |
| 22:47.45 | Caelum | is btrfs really really slow? |
| 22:48.05 | innociv | So I have a user named php-cli with certain sudo rites. Someone would need to gain control of the user or modify the scripts it runs. |
| 22:48.06 | Caelum | it takes me all day to do a backup on btrfs |
| 22:49.23 | marcreichelt | Kamping_Kaiser, thanks - that worked :) |
| 22:49.36 | Caelum | yeah doing a google search says btrfs is really slow |
| 22:49.49 | marcreichelt | I didn't believe the mistake did not seem to be on my side, instead the script 'vzquota' was wrong... |
| 22:49.50 | marcreichelt | ;) |
| 22:50.11 | Kamping_Kaiser | marcreichelt: glad to help :) |
| 22:50.57 | marcreichelt | thanks, now I hope my system starts up... |
| 22:51.24 | Kamping_Kaiser | marcreichelt: what are you organising? |
| 22:51.34 | Caelum | I'm going to reformat as ext4 |
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| 22:52.03 | marcreichelt | OMG, it doesn't boot up again :-/ |
| 22:52.16 | Kamping_Kaiser | :o |
| 22:52.31 | Kamping_Kaiser | could you give us more details of your setup? |
| 22:52.32 | marcreichelt | and I hoped that enabling this dependency based boot would be safe ^^ |
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| 22:52.44 | Kamping_Kaiser | it is... usually :/ |
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| 22:53.20 | marcreichelt | Kamping_Kaiser, I was running Lenny on my virtual server, upgraded to Squeeze today and had to fix some things (purge some packages) to get dependency based boot to run |
| 22:53.48 | marcreichelt | before enabling dependency based boot (which I now did) it was able to restart fine |
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| 22:54.44 | Kamping_Kaiser | marcreichelt: what point in the boot process does it die at? |
| 22:55.33 | Kamping_Kaiser | marcreichelt: please keep it in the channel, unless it needs to be private |
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| 22:55.45 | tywe | hi |
| 22:56.27 | marcreichelt | Kamping_Kaiser, I have now to find out how I can check at which point it dies |
| 22:57.10 | Kamping_Kaiser | marcreichelt: if its hosted remotely i can't help there i'm afraid |
| 22:57.42 | marcreichelt | Kamping_Kaiser, at least I can boot into the recovery system |
| 22:58.09 | tywe | I'm looking for a free paste/sharing service with no timestamp... any1 can recommend me one ? |
| 22:58.59 | marcreichelt | Kamping_Kaiser, I did a *normal* manual reboot, and now it runs again! |
| 22:59.01 | marcreichelt | strange... |
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| 22:59.24 | Kamping_Kaiser | marcreichelt: syslog might have some information |
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| 22:59.34 | Kamping_Kaiser | marcreichelt: i'd be tempted to reboot it a few times and be sure its nto a recurring problem |
| 23:02.16 | marcreichelt | Kamping_Kaiser, hmm - nothing special in the logs |
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| 23:06.05 | marcreichelt | Kamping_Kaiser, hmm - the problem is still there |
| 23:06.23 | Kamping_Kaiser | marcreichelt: which one? |
| 23:06.33 | dfc_ | I thought debian could not distribute lame? Am i going crazy? |
| 23:06.34 | marcreichelt | I have the strange feeling that the server is doing a poweroff instead of a reboot |
| 23:07.11 | marcreichelt | because I performed a reboot and pinged the server |
| 23:07.48 | marcreichelt | after some time, it seems to ping a very ugly host name, which seems to mean that the machine is dead |
| 23:08.37 | Kamping_Kaiser | dfc_: probably with teh encoding foo ripped out |
| 23:08.46 | Kamping_Kaiser | judd: versions lame |
| 23:08.47 | judd | Package: lame on i386 -- lenny-multimedia: 3.98.2-0.4; squeeze-multimedia: 3.98.4-0.0; squeeze-backports: 3.98.4+repack2-3~bpo60+1; sid: 3.99.3+repack1-1; wheezy: 3.99.3+repack1-1; wheezy-multimedia: 1:3.99.3-0.0; sid-multimedia: 1:3.99.4-0.0 |
| 23:09.05 | Kamping_Kaiser | marcreichelt: odd |
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| 23:10.24 | marcreichelt | Kamping_Kaiser, but now I have something more interesting in the logs: http://pastebin.com/tCkZ10Uk |
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| 23:11.36 | marcreichelt | the last line seems odd to me |
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| 23:14.58 | Kamping_Kaiser | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:15.26 | marcreichelt | Kamping_Kaiser, I tested it right now, stopping and starting postgrey works fine (odd) |
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| 23:15.59 | marcreichelt | I have the feeling the runlevels for vzreboot might not been properly set |
| 23:16.24 | Kamping_Kaiser | i suggest checking debians bts if thst where the packages came from, its probably been reported before |
| 23:16.30 | Kamping_Kaiser | btw, whats vzreboot for? |
| 23:16.57 | terron | I have a logical volume spanning 2 drives. I have debian installed on a different partition. if I reinstall debian on that same partition, will it affect the logical volume at all? |
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| 23:17.26 | marcreichelt | Kamping_Kaiser, I guess it's from Strato to reboot the VM |
| 23:17.56 | Kamping_Kaiser | hm, ok |
| 23:18.11 | marcreichelt | I now detected that the script /etc/init.d/vzquota has been restored by Strato to contain the line '# Provides: vzreboot', which is a mistake in my eyes |
| 23:18.18 | marcreichelt | so Debian rulez, Strato sucks ;) |
| 23:19.30 | Kamping_Kaiser | interesting |
| 23:19.37 | Kamping_Kaiser | guess you won't be getting dependency booting |
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| 23:20.13 | marcreichelt | Kamping_Kaiser, is there a way to revert it? |
| 23:20.17 | marcreichelt | to normal booting? |
| 23:20.54 | Psi-Jack | Hey. I'm having troubles specifically setting the MTU of my bridge devices in Debian. By using iface vmbr1 static; address ...; etc; pre-up link set mtu 7000 eth1; mtu 7000;; It sets the MTU of eth1 no problem, but them vmbr1 finishes, it |
| 23:20.57 | Psi-Jack | It's 1500 |
| 23:20.58 | Kamping_Kaiser | iirc dpkg-reconfigure sysv-rc or dpkg-reconfigure inisserv |
| 23:21.01 | Kamping_Kaiser | (sp?) |
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| 23:21.27 | Psi-Jack | After vmbr1 is up, I try to ip link set mtu 7000 dev vmbr1, and I get an error: RTNETLINK answers: Invalid argument |
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| 23:25.43 | nand` | p01s0nb1t: I went ahead and installed terminus but I cannot get it to work in urxvt unless I specify the font as xft:Terminus. However, using xft fonts is considerably slower and also a bit uglier (seems slightly blurred). I know it's possible to use terminus with the normal X font syntax, but urxvt complains about being unable to load the base fontset. How do I fix this? |
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| 23:27.07 | yodaboy22 | how do i access driver information? i am using gnome 2.30.2 |
| 23:27.26 | yodaboy22 | i need to know what pci chipset i have |
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| 23:28.13 | p01s0nb1t | nand`: URxvt*font: -*-terminus-medium-r-normal-*-14-*-*-*-*-*-*-* and/or URxvt*xftAntialias: false |
| 23:28.17 | p01s0nb1t | (?) |
| 23:28.40 | Psi-Jack | It seems, if I manually bring vmbr1 back offline, and back online, it gets the MTU right because of the previous pre-up. But it doesn't before then. |
| 23:28.43 | Psi-Jack | Anyone, thoughts? |
| 23:29.16 | p01s0nb1t | yodaboy22: lspci or lspci -vv (apt-get install pciutils, it's a CLI program) for chipsets, for "drivers" try lsmod + modinfo |
| 23:29.53 | p01s0nb1t | Psi-Jack: try to set mtu in the eth definition instead of pre-up in the bridge ? |
| 23:30.00 | p01s0nb1t | do you have eth1 manual, no ? |
| 23:30.06 | p01s0nb1t | try after that |
| 23:30.12 | Psi-Jack | Yes, iface eth1 inet manual |
| 23:31.10 | p01s0nb1t | Psi-Jack: I'm not sure about what I'm proposing, but you can try to move eth things to its definition |
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| 23:32.15 | p01s0nb1t | or, maybe, try to set mtu in the br device instead of (or after) the eth |
| 23:32.25 | p01s0nb1t | guessing |
| 23:32.42 | Psi-Jack | Trying that now. |
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| 23:33.26 | Psi-Jack | Well, pre-up didn't work on the eth1 definition, trying up. |
| 23:34.08 | Psi-Jack | Err, blah, that was up, not pre-up. :( |
| 23:35.41 | p01s0nb1t | mmm no sense in my recomendation, "manual" has no "options" in the man page |
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| 23:35.47 | p01s0nb1t | mtu appears for "static" |
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| 23:36.18 | p01s0nb1t | maybe post-up (?) |
| 23:37.21 | Psi-Jack | Seems it /might/ work on up, rather than pre-up. |
| 23:37.29 | Psi-Jack | on the vmbr1 definition. |
| 23:37.56 | Psi-Jack | As long as the ip link set mtu is done on the actual base ethX device, not the bridge $IFACE |
| 23:38.11 | p01s0nb1t | makes sense |
| 23:38.23 | Psi-Jack | Yeah, rebooting now to verify it. :) |
| 23:38.48 | Psi-Jack | My next one's gonna be to try to get my blasted e1000's to get 7000 MTU... The Realtek's are doing it mostly fine, but NOT my Intels... |
| 23:39.13 | Psi-Jack | Blasted! |
| 23:39.25 | Psi-Jack | It didn't do it on vmbr1, but it did it on eth1 just fine, still.. |
| 23:43.11 | Psi-Jack | post-up doesn't do it either. eth1 still gets the MTU, but the vmbr1 sticks at 7000 |
| 23:43.13 | Psi-Jack | Err, 1500 |
| 23:44.02 | p01s0nb1t | if you try to set mtu by hand in the vmbr1, it works ? |
| 23:44.15 | Psi-Jack | No, that I get an immediate error I mentioned before. |
| 23:44.29 | Psi-Jack | RTNETLINK answers: Invalid argument |
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| 23:45.23 | p01s0nb1t | invalid argument... if syntax is ok... maybe try other mtu size ? not the same than the eth of the bridge ? |
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| 23:45.39 | p01s0nb1t | I don't know, I go for my dinner |
| 23:45.42 | p01s0nb1t | :) |
| 23:45.55 | Psi-Jack | It works, /if/ I bring down vmbr1, set the mtu of eth1, and bring vmbr1 back up, manually. |
| 23:45.58 | Psi-Jack | That's what gets me. |
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| 23:53.26 | Caelum | where is the updatedb cron job? |
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| 23:54.19 | Kamping_Kaiser | /etc/cron* somewhere |
| 23:54.47 | Caelum | aha, cron.daily/locate |
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