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| 00:02.12 | Psi-Jack | hmmm |
| 00:02.49 | Psi-Jack | Still not finding any solutions, other than post-bringing down vmbr1 and bringing it back up, but by that time, nfsv4 stuff is already mounted, vm's are up and running off that, etc... |
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| 00:07.00 | nand` | p01s0nb1t: I tried -*-terminus-medium-r-normal-*-14-*-*-*-*-*-*-* but I get the same error: urxvt: unable to load base fontset, please specify a valid one using -fn, aborting. |
| 00:07.11 | edju | Trying to install stable i386 on my brother's Dell. However, the partition screen isn't correct. If I choose a manual partition, I'm faced with a screen that lists Guided partitioning, SCSI3 (sda), Undo, and Finish Partitioning. That's it. Not the usual format?, mount point, etc. Any advice appreciated. |
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| 00:08.56 | jhutchins_lt | edju: I know the DI partitioning thing is confusing. iirc you click on the device (sda) and it should offer to let you create a partition. |
| 00:10.51 | edju | jhutchins, Thanks. It's changed since I last installed. It's misleading, actually. |
| 00:11.56 | jhutchins_lt | It confuses a lot of people. I know there's a way to communicate with the people who work on the installer, but I'm not sure just what it is. |
| 00:12.33 | jhutchins_lt | edju: The problem is that only a few of us run the installer manually and often. Once we have a system installed, we just upgrade. |
| 00:12.53 | jhutchins_lt | If someone's building a lot of systems, they script it or image them. |
| 00:14.32 | jhutchins_lt | Anyway, I think your input is valuable, just not sure where to direct it. |
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| 00:16.58 | p01s0nb1t | nand`: not sure, I've just the two lines I pasted and they work here with urxvt... did you installed terminus font? did you tryied to restart X after install it ? did you preview the font? maybe you don't like terminus after all :) |
| 00:17.18 | edju | jhutchins, Wait. I'm at a screen that says to choose a partition. sda is listed as unpartitioned, even though it is. If I choose sda, I'm asked do I wnt to create a new empty partition. Choose yes, and I'm right back at the SCSI3 screen. How the hell do I get to the actual partition screen? |
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| 00:18.36 | p01s0nb1t | Psi-Jack: If you can't get it working with the "mtu N" declaration, neither (pre/post)up... maybe hack, review, debug /etc/network/if-up-down.d/* scripts ? |
| 00:19.13 | p01s0nb1t | if-up.d |
| 00:19.29 | p01s0nb1t | errr *.d |
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| 00:20.04 | p01s0nb1t | I've just realized I've no bridges at home to review the scripts/docs |
| 00:21.05 | Psi-Jack | Yeah, I'm at the point of hacking the ifupdown script that actually initializes the network, and seeing if manually setting the start event to call ifconfig or ip to set the mtu before any ifupdown scripts are even actually run, makes a difference |
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| 00:22.24 | Psi-Jack | And even THAT didn't do it. grr |
| 00:23.39 | p01s0nb1t | other members in the bridge than eth1 ? |
| 00:23.45 | Psi-Jack | Nope |
| 00:23.50 | p01s0nb1t | weird |
| 00:24.04 | Psi-Jack | I have eth0, eth1, and eth2, all seperate bridges, they're for kvm guests running on this hypervisor server. |
| 00:24.13 | p01s0nb1t | weird result, not weird what you're doing |
| 00:24.27 | Psi-Jack | yeah |
| 00:25.14 | Psi-Jack | I just... Don't.. get it.. Why is it, when I bring the vmbr1 down and back up after the system's fully booted, does it actually work? It makes no sense,. |
| 00:25.42 | Psi-Jack | I mean, when I do that, ping -s 6000 -M do to another server running 7000 MTU, it works, proving that the vmbr1 MTU makes a huge difference. |
| 00:25.51 | nand` | p01s0nb1t: I haven't restarted X but I don't want to do that (there must be some other way). I am using the font in my text editor and I like it |
| 00:26.32 | p01s0nb1t | nand`: well, If your editor sees the font, then a new urxvt should see it too, so that is not the issue then |
| 00:28.48 | p01s0nb1t | nand`: I've just that two lines, and it works here... do you have a running xfs -daemon process? maybe restart it? |
| 00:29.06 | p01s0nb1t | x font server |
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| 00:33.04 | nand` | p01s0nb1t: oh by the way in my editor I use xft and xft:Terminus works fine in urxvt, I'm just avoiding it for performance reasons |
| 00:33.07 | nand` | I'll try restarting xfs |
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| 00:33.36 | nand` | nope, no xfs running |
| 00:34.26 | p01s0nb1t | the line URxvt*xftAntialias: false may help, anyway I've no xft:Terminus, I've URxvt*font: -*-terminus-medium-r-normal-*-14-*-*-*-*-*-*-* |
| 00:34.36 | p01s0nb1t | no xfs -daemon here and it works |
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| 00:35.37 | p01s0nb1t | (squeeze) |
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| 00:36.45 | p01s0nb1t | ( rxvt-unidode-lite package) |
| 00:36.54 | p01s0nb1t | if you're in doubt if the font is here or not, it should be listed in xlsfonts |
| 00:37.44 | Psi-Jack | post-up commands, when there are multiples, are run, one at a time, until all of them complete, correct? |
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| 00:39.15 | p01s0nb1t | they are run using run-parts(8) |
| 00:39.15 | nand` | xlsfonts doesn't list it |
| 00:39.33 | p01s0nb1t | nand`: then maybe that is the reason of your error |
| 00:40.01 | p01s0nb1t | restart X if there is not xfs to restart |
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| 00:41.03 | nand` | no other way? |
| 00:41.13 | nand` | I'd rather keep using -misc-fixed than restart X |
| 00:41.38 | p01s0nb1t | I don't know of any =) |
| 00:42.15 | p01s0nb1t | Psi-Jack: sorry, wrong response... run-parts is used for /etc/network/*.d I've never used multiple post-up for a interface |
| 00:42.35 | p01s0nb1t | Psi-Jack: if in doubt you can use a wrapper script that behaves how you want |
| 00:44.00 | Psi-Jack | The thing I noticed is, as long as nothing is using the bridge yet, I can ifconfig vmbr1 down; sleep 1; ifconfig vmbr1 mtu 7000; sleep 1; ifconfig vmbr1 up, and it'll work. |
| 00:45.07 | nand` | p01s0nb1t: maybe I've installed the wrong package, it's xfonts-terminus right? |
| 00:46.03 | p01s0nb1t | I've that and -oblique and -dos, I don't know if the term may need additional ones... |
| 00:46.25 | p01s0nb1t | I do not get your error message, but I see it in xlsfonts ;) |
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| 00:47.48 | nand` | ah |
| 00:47.50 | nand` | solved it |
| 00:47.53 | nand` | sudo xset fp rehash |
| 00:48.11 | p01s0nb1t | new thingy for me |
| 00:49.17 | Psi-Jack | Bah! This is driving me effing NUTS! WHY! WHY! It MUST be MTU 7000 or I will KILL it.! Heh |
| 00:50.36 | Psi-Jack | I have fully confirmed, by putting in pre-up, ifconfig eth1 to show the device status of the core ethernet NIC, that it itself is MTU 7000 before the bridge. |
| 00:52.19 | p01s0nb1t | the bridge-utils-interfaces says that interface specific options should go to pre-up, but does not talk about mtu in the whole page |
| 00:52.44 | Psi-Jack | yeah, because it's supposed to follow the MTU of it's parent. |
| 00:52.56 | p01s0nb1t | yes, the forst of the br slaves |
| 00:52.59 | p01s0nb1t | first |
| 00:53.38 | p01s0nb1t | s/slaves/bridge ports/ |
| 00:54.20 | Psi-Jack | And, I'm confirming this is definitely being done. |
| 00:54.28 | Psi-Jack | eth1 is mtu 7000 before vmbr1 even exists. |
| 00:54.47 | p01s0nb1t | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=292088 |
| 00:55.05 | Psi-Jack | Oooh, post-up ifconfig vmbr1 shows MTU 7000... |
| 00:55.36 | Psi-Jack | But, then I login by ssh, and suddently vmbr1 is MTU:1500.. Okay.. Something's messed up somewhere. |
| 00:55.58 | p01s0nb1t | curiously e1000 too in that bugreport |
| 00:58.29 | Psi-Jack | In my specific case, this is a RTL-8169. |
| 00:59.25 | Psi-Jack | Sad thing is, that bug report is in 2005. |
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| 00:59.45 | satdav | hi guys whats the command to install perl modules |
| 00:59.50 | p01s0nb1t | so it's all about if-up-down or about brctl... not a driver issue |
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| 01:00.11 | p01s0nb1t | satdav: in debian usually are packages as libmodule-name-perl |
| 01:00.29 | p01s0nb1t | else you can use local::lib, cpan, cpanm.... |
| 01:00.30 | satdav | cool |
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| 01:01.52 | Psi-Jack | p01s0nb1t: Yeah. I have these, in order, for the pre-up and post-up: pre-up: ifconfig eth1 (shows eth1 using mtu:1500), ifconfig eth1 up mtu 7000; sleep 1; ifconfig eth1 (shows eth1 is now MTU:7000);; post-up: ifconfig vmbr1 (shows vmbr1 has MTU:7000). Then I login after it brings up vmbr2 and sshd eventually, and vmbr1 has MTU:1500 all over again. |
| 01:02.03 | Psi-Jack | THAT's what's crazy. |
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| 01:03.05 | satdav | http://paste.debian.net/154026 |
| 01:03.13 | satdav | thats the plugins I need the perl once |
| 01:03.57 | p01s0nb1t | Psi-Jack: I've not a solid response for THAT, sorry =) |
| 01:04.03 | Psi-Jack | heh |
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| 01:04.40 | p01s0nb1t | satdav: do you know the "corelist" cmd ? all your needs are installed by default, but th e::IRC one |
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| 01:08.04 | p01s0nb1t | satdav: apt-get install perl-doc perl-modules libnet-irc-perl, and all your needs should be meet, perl-doc is not needed but recommended if you're going to work with perl code |
| 01:08.19 | satdav | ok |
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| 01:10.50 | Psi-Jack | Interesting.. OKay.. So once the kvm guests come up, it seems to bump the MTU down. |
| 01:10.57 | Psi-Jack | And locks it from changing. |
| 01:14.12 | p01s0nb1t | maybe the issue is outside /etc/network/* |
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| 01:15.21 | LinuxGuy2009 | Is there any kind of mass problem with users of 6.0.3 not being able to print properly or have corrupted prints? |
| 01:15.40 | Psi-Jack | p01s0nb1t: Definitely, when I bring up a vm that actually uses vmbr1, the MTU drops to 1500 |
| 01:15.44 | Psi-Jack | And locks it there. |
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| 01:17.52 | p01s0nb1t | maybe the guest net drivers ? n.f.idea it's supposed to "use" the bridge, not to bring it up |
| 01:18.22 | p01s0nb1t | LinuxGuy2009: I've some squeeze desktop, and I use to print "to ps/pdf" without issues |
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| 01:20.29 | p01s0nb1t | LinuxGuy2009: if it's a "mass problem" there should be at least some open bug with information in bugs.debian.org |
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| 01:22.02 | LinuxGuy2009 | I'm not sure what the problem is.* |
| 01:22.27 | Psi-Jack | AHA! |
| 01:22.46 | Psi-Jack | p01s0nb1t: Get this! It was the tap131i1 interface that was ADDED to the bridge when the VM went up! |
| 01:23.18 | p01s0nb1t | ahhhh and the "littler" mtu got into the br, hehehe |
| 01:23.23 | Psi-Jack | Setting it's MTU up to 7000 like the rest, voila! Suddenly my vmbr1 MTU went up to 7000 with it., |
| 01:23.49 | p01s0nb1t | well, we can sleep this night, mistery solved, congrats |
| 01:24.02 | Psi-Jack | Mystery solved, yes, but resolution...... Jmmm |
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| 01:24.09 | Psi-Jack | Still not solved how to combat the actual problem. |
| 01:24.31 | Psi-Jack | but with this, I can go to the proxmox/kvm devs and see a possible solution,. |
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| 01:25.27 | p01s0nb1t | mmm, you can bring up the tap as manual, but "manual" has no "options" |
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| 01:25.41 | Psi-Jack | Well, no, kvm brings up the tap. |
| 01:25.47 | p01s0nb1t | ah |
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| 01:26.55 | p01s0nb1t | can't you use -net tap,ifname=tap0 to kvm ? |
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| 01:27.43 | chaospsychex | i've just installed VLC and i don't see video. only hear audio???? |
| 01:27.44 | p01s0nb1t | well, I see you know what you're talking about, and I've not kvm neither bridges here to try to help |
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| 01:28.17 | p01s0nb1t | chaospsychex: maybe you need some *codecs* packages? like the gstreamer ones? |
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| 01:29.32 | chaospsychex | i've never had to install anything when i install vlc |
| 01:29.35 | chaospsychex | ...before |
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| 01:31.23 | p01s0nb1t | chaospsychex: if you have seen the same video before with just the same program, maybe it's just about program options (video output options) |
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| 01:35.49 | p01s0nb1t | Psi-Jack: maybe /etc/kvm/kvm-if(up|down) scripts ? can look at them now, no kvm here.... |
| 01:36.08 | Psi-Jack | p01s0nb1t: Looks like the problem is more in Proxmox's scripts. ;) |
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| 01:36.57 | Psi-Jack | They mimiced the kvm-if<up|down> in a perl script, exactly, but didn't account for MTU. |
| 01:37.25 | p01s0nb1t | ah |
| 01:37.39 | Psi-Jack | grins. |
| 01:37.41 | p01s0nb1t | that is turning from weird to "fun to see" |
| 01:37.44 | Psi-Jack | hehehe |
| 01:38.07 | Psi-Jack | Yeah, it's a combination of BOTH kvm not accounting for it, in their ifup/ifdown script, PLUS proxmox doing exactly the same flaw. ;) |
| 01:38.31 | p01s0nb1t | blasted people |
| 01:39.41 | Psi-Jack | Man I racked my brain on that for hours! |
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| 01:40.41 | p01s0nb1t | at least you've got things clear after the time |
| 01:40.46 | Psi-Jack | Indeed. |
| 01:40.53 | Psi-Jack | And I have my own little temporary patch to get around it. |
| 01:41.13 | Psi-Jack | When it sets up the tap interface, where it does ifconfig $iface promisc up, I just added mtu 7000 to it. ;) |
| 01:41.13 | p01s0nb1t | "MS, your potential, our passion" |
| 01:42.15 | p01s0nb1t | sends some jumbo frames to vmbr1 |
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| 01:43.30 | Psi-Jack | Never had so many issues with jumbo frames ever, till kvm came into the mix! haha |
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| 01:44.30 | Psi-Jack | Even works on my e1000 now too. :) |
| 01:45.08 | Eryn_1983_FL | .. |
| 01:45.29 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey Psi-Jack |
| 01:45.34 | Eryn_1983_FL | hows it goin? |
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| 01:48.05 | Psi-Jack | Eryn_1983_FL: Decent! Now that I figured out what was causing my Jumbo Frames issues. :D |
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| 01:49.33 | Eryn_1983_FL | and? |
| 01:49.35 | Eryn_1983_FL | lol |
| 01:49.44 | thorie | yay i'm in debian, thanks to everyone here who helped me set it up :-) |
| 01:50.26 | Psi-Jack | Eryn_1983_FL: Fricken kvm, when it brings up the tap device for each vm, wasn't setting MTU, so it brought down the global MTU of the bridge they were tied to. :) |
| 01:50.37 | Eryn_1983_FL | lol |
| 01:50.47 | Eryn_1983_FL | oh |
| 01:51.07 | p01s0nb1t | also lot of code still using ifconfig instead of "ip link set" |
| 01:51.54 | p01s0nb1t | thorie: congrats! have fun and backups |
| 01:52.22 | Psi-Jack | p01s0nb1t: Yeah, waiting for Debian on that respect, to GET OUT OF THE STONE AGE, and stop using deprecated tools long since deprecated. |
| 01:54.05 | p01s0nb1t | well, one can wait, or one can patch... my previous job was about "we do not do open-source, just use it", and now i'm without a job, so not too much interest in patches |
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| 01:54.16 | dvs | stops using dselect |
| 01:54.24 | cardamon | Hmm, mpd won't play at the same time as other things. |
| 01:54.25 | p01s0nb1t | xD |
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| 01:55.42 | p01s0nb1t | cardamon: I use local mocp, no mpd here, but can you expand your issue ? |
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| 01:59.08 | cardamon | p01s0nb1t: When I have sound coming from a game or from a browser, and hit play in mpd, no result. But if I stop the other source, mpd plays find. I'm not sure if it's an mpd issue or an alsa one. |
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| 02:01.27 | p01s0nb1t | cardamon: do you have any mixer_type in /etc/mpd.conf ? which one? |
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| 02:02.06 | dsdeiz | hi, i am trying to install youtube-dl but got this error after doing apt-get -b source youtube-dl http://pastebin.com/rnC0BDxX |
| 02:03.12 | p01s0nb1t | dsdeiz: can you write to your current work directory ? |
| 02:03.30 | p01s0nb1t | like in "touch file" |
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| 02:04.36 | Rick__ | I am trying to get this package: http://packages.debian.org/sid/fglrx-driver |
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| 02:04.45 | Rick__ | How can I automatically get all of its dependencies as well? |
| 02:04.53 | Rick__ | It is time consuming to download them by hand off the website. |
| 02:04.55 | dsdeiz | p01s0nb1t: yep, i created the directory |
| 02:05.25 | somiaj | dsdeiz: you just need python >= 2.5 on your system to run that youtube-dl script, so you really don't need to build it. I'd just download the deb from packages.debian.org and install it. |
| 02:05.34 | alexb_1 | hi all, I'm trying to install debian from usb and I get "cd-rom undetected" error. how do I fix it? thanks. |
| 02:06.09 | somiaj | dsdeiz: so though it is good policy to compile a backport, a script doesn't really need to be compiled or built. |
| 02:06.14 | p01s0nb1t | cardamon: I ask you beacuse of some thread talking about using: type "alsa" and: mixer_type "software" in the "audio_output {" section of /etc/mpd.conf |
| 02:06.19 | z28 | dsdeiz: there is no installing youtube-dl, it's just a script, find the website d/l it and put it in you path or ~ and ./youtube.dl url |
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| 02:07.42 | p01s0nb1t | alexb_1: how are you doing it? normal iso can be "dd" to a usb device, or if you're using the hdd-media for usb keys, you need to copy the iso to the usb after preparing the usb |
| 02:07.45 | z28 | dsdeiz: you'll need python installed is all, which is by default. |
| 02:08.41 | alexb_1 | p01s0nb1t, I'm using usb stick, it' s bootable . I can start installation and go a couple of steps , but then I get this error |
| 02:09.18 | p01s0nb1t | alexb_1: try copying a debian-installer iso matching your arch and version in the usb |
| 02:09.29 | p01s0nb1t | else just dd the iso to the usb and try again |
| 02:09.39 | p01s0nb1t | Rick__: normal apt-get install should pull in all depends. |
| 02:09.58 | abrotman | judd: version fglrx-driver |
| 02:09.59 | dsdeiz | heh, that worked. thx! |
| 02:09.59 | judd | Package: fglrx-driver on i386 -- lenny/non-free: 1:8-12-4; lenny-backports/non-free: 1:10-4-1~bpo50+1; squeeze/non-free: 1:10-9-3; wheezy/non-free: 1:11-12-1; sid/non-free: 1:12-1-1 |
| 02:10.49 | p01s0nb1t | Rick__: if you depend in the packages.debian.org page to see depends, you may use any scripting language to parse the depends from the html |
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| 02:12.28 | cooldude | hey guys, what is the apt-get command to install gnutls ssl? |
| 02:12.43 | Psi-Jack | aptitude search gnutls |
| 02:12.47 | cooldude | k |
| 02:13.53 | abrotman | cooldude: to do what exactly? |
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| 02:15.40 | cooldude | abrotman, i need to install the libs of gnutls |
| 02:15.57 | Psi-Jack | And you found them in aptitude search gnutls, didn't you? |
| 02:16.01 | abrotman | cooldude: to compile or use ? |
| 02:16.16 | cooldude | Psi-Jack, yes i have found some |
| 02:16.50 | cooldude | abrotman, to compile InspIRCd |
| 02:16.52 | Psi-Jack | heh, "some?" |
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| 02:17.06 | kthakore | Hi guys |
| 02:17.07 | p01s0nb1t | then look at the *-dev results |
| 02:17.25 | abrotman | cooldude: then you want a -dev package .. depending on other needs |
| 02:17.34 | cooldude | abrotman, ya |
| 02:17.35 | Zeranoe | Does anyone know how I can copy some text from rxvt and paste it in firefox? |
| 02:18.05 | dsdeiz | highlighting and middle mouse button works for me |
| 02:18.10 | Psi-Jack | Click, drag, select. |
| 02:18.12 | edju | dist-upgrade from squeeze to wheezy. hung at libwmf0.2-7_0.2.8.4-10_i386.deb error code 1. google says to edit the file, but it ain't on the system. anything? |
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| 02:19.16 | abrotman | we'd need the actual error |
| 02:19.20 | edju | should be .deb.prerm. |
| 02:20.08 | abrotman | edju: use a pastebin .. i can't read your screen |
| 02:20.29 | p01s0nb1t | edju: maybe search the file search into /var/lib/dpkg/info/ ? |
| 02:20.57 | edju | abrotman, i'll have to run it again - shift page up doesn't dhow it. |
| 02:21.08 | edju | er, show it. |
| 02:21.37 | edju | p01s0nb1t, locate can't find it. |
| 02:21.48 | p01s0nb1t | locate maybe outdated |
| 02:21.49 | edju | be back in a minute. |
| 02:21.55 | abrotman | just let him pastebin it |
| 02:22.02 | p01s0nb1t | yes, paste the errors |
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| 02:23.16 | p01s0nb1t | is there any pre-packaged thing to monitor tc ? (monitor as in collectd + rrd) |
| 02:23.38 | snover | Can someone tell me where I can find the rationale behind disabling suhosin in the php packages? |
| 02:23.50 | cardamon | p01s0nb1t: It's set to alsa. |
| 02:24.05 | Psi-Jack | snover: Don't do it. |
| 02:24.06 | Psi-Jack | Simple. |
| 02:24.10 | snover | Psi-Jack: don’t do what? |
| 02:24.24 | Psi-Jack | snover: Disable suhosin, if you actually plan to use PHP for web stuff. |
| 02:24.30 | snover | Psi-Jack: tell that to the php package maintainer |
| 02:24.32 | snover | who disabled it |
| 02:24.48 | Psi-Jack | Name <Email>? |
| 02:24.49 | Psi-Jack | hehe |
| 02:24.52 | snover | see bug #657697 for a complaint about it going away silently |
| 02:25.08 | p01s0nb1t | cardamon: not mpd user here, but maybe http://mpd.wikia.com/wiki/Alsa as some info about |
| 02:25.09 | Psi-Jack | There are benefits, AND bad sides to it, honestly, having suhosin in. |
| 02:25.30 | Psi-Jack | But suhosin does prevent various injection and DoS techniques that are not doing well in PHP current. |
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| 02:25.36 | snover | well, considering that suhosin has protected against the past several php security issues I’ve seen it seems like a bad idea to get rid of it |
| 02:25.37 | Psi-Jack | But PHP 4.3 may be fixing that. |
| 02:26.22 | p01s0nb1t | get rid of suhosin... better to get rid of php! |
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| 02:26.33 | snover | p01s0nb1t: that’s not what I was asking for :) |
| 02:26.37 | Psi-Jack | Get me a rope! |
| 02:26.48 | Psi-Jack | We's'a gunna have's us a hangin' t'night! |
| 02:26.51 | snover | I’m just interested in figuring out why it was removed by default suddenly |
| 02:27.12 | Psi-Jack | snover: sid? |
| 02:27.24 | snover | Psi-Jack: it’s made it to unstable |
| 02:27.28 | snover | er |
| 02:27.29 | snover | to testing |
| 02:27.51 | Psi-Jack | Perhaps most of suhosin is actually in the PHP version they pulled it out of. |
| 02:27.59 | snover | 5.3.9 |
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| 02:29.42 | p01s0nb1t | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:29.49 | p01s0nb1t | from the debian changelog |
| 02:29.53 | snover | yes |
| 02:30.01 | Zeranoe | For some reason, apt-get autoremove wants to remove 243 packages, is it safe to do so? Here is the list: http://pastebin.com/caAAXbtg |
| 02:30.05 | edju | abrotman, http://pastebin.com/z9V2SMcX |
| 02:31.11 | p01s0nb1t | Zeranoe: do you need any of the 243 packages? :) |
| 02:31.45 | abrotman | edju: shuld be more of an error than that |
| 02:31.50 | Zeranoe | p01s0nb1t: I believe I need network-manager network-manager-gnome |
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| 02:32.36 | p01s0nb1t | Zeranoe: then it's not safe to remove all of them for you |
| 02:32.40 | snover | Zeranoe: anything you know you don’t want to autoremove you should set to manually installed (just run apt-get install <pkgname>) |
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| 02:33.26 | p01s0nb1t | 243 sounds like you have removed some metapackage previously |
| 02:33.33 | edju | abrotman, that's it. I see that /var/cache/archives has four libwm . . . files. the one that errors and 3 lesse versions. |
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| 02:33.42 | Zeranoe | Ok, does anyone happen to see any major packages in there? I will be hones't in saying I don't know all of those, I don't want to break my system |
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| 02:34.38 | Psi-Jack | Zeranoe: Okay. Do you run Apache? |
| 02:34.53 | Zeranoe | Psi-Jack: No web server |
| 02:34.58 | Psi-Jack | Zeranoe: Do you use Gnome? |
| 02:35.07 | t3i | I'm getting an Open SSL erro "read server certificate B: certificate verify failed"---- i'm wondering if i need to update my certs? if so, what is the command to do it? |
| 02:35.08 | Zeranoe | Psi-Jack: LXDE |
| 02:35.21 | Psi-Jack | Do you use any Gnome/GTK+ Apps? |
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| 02:35.57 | Zeranoe | Psi-Jack: That I'm unsure of, I don't know what apps use what |
| 02:36.04 | Psi-Jack | Okay.\ |
| 02:36.12 | Psi-Jack | I don't know what you freaking want then. |
| 02:36.16 | Psi-Jack | Sorry, figure it out. |
| 02:36.34 | abrotman | edju: okay .. apt-get -f install .. does it try to configure tha tpackage again ? |
| 02:36.41 | Kamping_Kaiser | hi all, i'm looking for a simple smtp mailer that i can configure once and copy the config onto multiple hosts. so far theres half a dozen in squeeze that seem to fit the bill - any personal stories to share on them? dma masqmail msmtp-mta nullmailer |
| 02:36.46 | snover | Zeranoe: I would recommend not using autoremove. |
| 02:36.51 | HSorgYves | when i build a package locally, it differs from the one on the archive (probably because it has not been signed); how to prevent apt / aptitude from upgrading to the one in the archive and to prefer the one installed locally as long as the version number remains the same? |
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| 02:37.11 | edju | abrotman, sorry but apt-get install what? |
| 02:37.53 | Kamping_Kaiser | HSorgYves: use apt pinning, or add ~local0 to your version string (iirc tht'll do it, someone cna correct me) |
| 02:38.12 | abrotman | edju: 'apt-get -f install' |
| 02:39.59 | edju | abrotman, same error |
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| 02:40.06 | HSorgYves | Kamping_Kaiser: can you be more precise with apt pinning, don't want to change the pinning on each rebuild of the package... is there a general approach which continues to work after another build or do i need to enter the version number? |
| 02:40.11 | abrotman | edju: pastebin the whole thing .. there shuld be more |
| 02:41.34 | HSorgYves | Kamping_Kaiser: or how to add ~local0 to the version string? |
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| 02:42.10 | edju | abrotman, oh, you're right - a lot more - but it's on a different machine and it's not in X, so . . . . |
| 02:42.14 | Kamping_Kaiser | HSorgYves: look at man 5 apt_preferences for information on pinning |
| 02:42.31 | Kamping_Kaiser | HSorgYves: iirc it even gives an example for local packages |
| 02:42.49 | HSorgYves | Kamping_Kaiser: read that file multiple times, didn't help me or maybe i am too tired |
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| 02:47.13 | abrotman | edju: you can't ssh in ? |
| 02:49.04 | HalfCentMan | Hi All... Doing a Debian install on a fresh HD so I don't have any drivers or a hardline connected to apt-get the content with. Have a wireless NIC installed in the box, and am going through the (expert) install proc. Install is asking for the firmware drivers for the NIC to be provided (b43/ucode5.fw and b43-Open/ucode5.fw). I've looked online and all I can see is people saying how to use apt-get to acquire the firmware. The install says I |
| 02:49.04 | HalfCentMan | can provide it on a USB medium for the install process, but I haven't been able to find any reference as to WHERE to get the actual firmware binary (.fw) files to put ON the USB stick.. Anyone here know of a place ? |
| 02:49.36 | abrotman | !tell HalfCentMan about firmware images |
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| 02:50.22 | loop- | i think its openwrt.org |
| 02:50.34 | HalfCentMan | <looking> |
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| 02:52.07 | edju | abrotman, no. but maybe the following: "can't locate File/Copy.pm in @INC" and "BEGIN failed -- compilation aborted at /usr/bin/deforma-app line 7" and "there is no script in the new version of the package" |
| 02:52.34 | HalfCentMan | is d/l the ISO... Thank You Abrotman |
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| 02:53.03 | loop- | !tell loop- about firmware images |
| 02:53.38 | HalfCentMan | Is there going to be any issues, as far as getting the iso on the USB stick ? |
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| 02:54.29 | p01s0nb1t | is your b43 wifi? maybe no wpa in debian-installer is an issue |
| 02:54.52 | abrotman | edju: sounds like oyu have to install whatever pacakage has that file |
| 02:55.25 | abrotman | he didn't say anything about WPA ? |
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| 02:56.28 | p01s0nb1t | then maybe there will be not "any issues" doing the install :) |
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| 02:57.16 | z1l0g | appologies if this has been asnwered; is there something wrong with lists.alioth.debian.org? mailman seems not in service anymore |
| 02:57.34 | p01s0nb1t | z1l0g: alioth is down in general |
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| 02:57.43 | edju | abrotman, OK. I'll reinstall and we'll see. Thanks. |
| 02:57.50 | abrotman | reinstall ? |
| 02:58.02 | gnarface | for 11MB and lower links (802.11b) its *very* common for them to need the non-free firmwares package to support WPA1 as none (or at least almost none?) of them supported WPA at all and WPA2 is still an impossibility with those old cards |
| 02:58.07 | edju | uhhh - I have the file. |
| 02:58.08 | z1l0g | ah, okay. temporary hopefully |
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| 02:58.45 | p01s0nb1t | yes, there is people working on it a.f.a. i know |
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| 02:59.33 | gnarface | the lack of this non-free firmwares packge on the netinstall disk makes it almost impossible for your average noob to figure out how to install debian over wireless, as it requires reconfiguring their router unencrypted or in WEP mode just to become operational, then re-configure everything in WPA1 (not 2) after-the-fact |
| 02:59.59 | abrotman | gnarface: whine to people that matter .. |
| 03:00.35 | loop- | that keeps people buying windows and macs bro |
| 03:00.36 | gnarface | abrotman: i probably should but instead i just use wires to do installs |
| 03:00.58 | gnarface | abrotman: someone *should* at least make that info common knowledge somewhere though |
| 03:01.13 | mosno | gnarface: i'm pretty sure the installation docs cover it |
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| 03:01.42 | abrotman | gnarface: they're not official .. so probably not much can be done officially |
| 03:01.48 | mosno | gnarface: section 2.1.6.1 |
| 03:01.55 | raschip | it's smelling noob here, let me psst psst... |
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| 03:02.40 | gnarface | so it is... does the bot know mosno? |
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| 03:03.08 | mosno | gnarface: i don't know, and i don't really care, given that the official documents cover it |
| 03:03.20 | tomboy_ | In order to configure dwm, I have to use custom source code, how do I use apt-get to do this? |
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| 03:05.21 | tomboy_ | Where does apt-get store the sources it builds? |
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| 03:05.34 | NishaKitty | does anyone happen to know the cpu flag that defines if an amd cpu has turbo boost or a channel I can ask where someone might know? |
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| 03:05.55 | rxt0 | hi there, Can I start a login manager from 32bit chroot? |
| 03:07.25 | p01s0nb1t | NishaKitty: there is a /usr/include/asm/processor-flags.h file that may (or not) help |
| 03:08.32 | p01s0nb1t | rxt0: yes, as soon as you configure needed stuff and libs, and the outside host is 32bit or compatible host |
| 03:08.48 | NishaKitty | p01s0nb1t: thank you checking it out |
| 03:08.56 | p01s0nb1t | rxt0: if I remember ok, there is a (posibly outdated) chapter in the debian reference |
| 03:09.03 | rxt0 | running 64bit host |
| 03:09.24 | NishaKitty | p01s0nb1t: just the generic ones unfortantly thanks though |
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| 03:11.46 | p01s0nb1t | goes to turbo-sleep, byes |
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| 03:31.46 | NishaKitty | found her answer after a lot of looking x.x |
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| 03:33.51 | Kamping_Kaiser | NishaKitty: please share it for the logs :) |
| 03:34.19 | tomboy_ | #c |
| 03:34.26 | kingsley | Does anyone here happen to know of a command line tool that can convert a comma separated variable (.csv) file to DBase 3 (.dbf) format? If so, what is it? |
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| 03:38.02 | edju | abrotman, ran dpkg -i on the file but it leads to dependency hell. tried to install from the netinst file but can't reach the manual partition screen. the installer wants the whole disk to be one partition. |
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| 03:38.25 | edju | er, the netinst disk. |
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| 03:41.24 | NishaKitty | Kamping_Kaiser: |
| 03:41.26 | NishaKitty | define X86_FEATURE_IDA (7*32+ 0) /* Intel Dynamic Acceleration */ |
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| 03:41.35 | NishaKitty | define X86_FEATURE_CPB (7*32+ 2) /* AMD Core Performance Boost */ |
| 03:41.58 | NishaKitty | from a kernel patch |
| 03:41.59 | NishaKitty | 2010 |
| 03:42.17 | abrotman | edju: uh what? . that doesn't make sense |
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| 03:48.09 | edju | abrotman, i know. i'll try to describe it. previous installs i would choose manual partition. now, on a newly burned cdrom, the partition screen has guided partition at the top and SCSI3 sda. choosing sda goes to a screen which has manual. choose that and i'm back at the SCSI3 screen. I can't get to the screen where i actually manually partition. |
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| 03:50.19 | abrotman | edju: wheezy installer ? |
| 03:50.29 | edju | abrotman, yes. |
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| 03:50.51 | abrotman | edju: well, might be broken today |
| 03:50.59 | abrotman | thanks for testing the installer! |
| 03:51.25 | edju | it's 6.0.4 |
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| 03:51.38 | edju | no no - that's squeeze. |
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| 03:52.08 | edju | it's getting late here. |
| 03:52.41 | edju | i doubt it'll boot - i'll see in the morning. |
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| 04:16.32 | HalfCentMan | PhilipBallew: Weird question.. Do you have any relatives in Lake County California ? |
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| 04:17.51 | iateadonut | i just installed wxsvg manually (with FFMPEG support); everything seemed to go well and /usr/local/include/wxSVG has files in it... but then i ./configure another package and it says "requires the wxSVG library with FFMPEG support." |
| 04:18.05 | iateadonut | why can't the second program find the libraries from the first install? |
| 04:18.52 | epsilon | huch, some new patched version came out sth? Suddenly I have plenty of updates... |
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| 04:59.55 | somiaj | iateadonut: check the configure.log and it should give you more details as to what logic failed. |
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| 05:07.59 | iateadonut | somiaj, looks like wxsvg just won't compile with ffmpeg support for now. |
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| 05:19.01 | patricx | morning to you all |
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| 05:20.06 | somiaj | patricx: install the package flashplugin-nonfree |
| 05:20.17 | somiaj | it is a part of the 'contrib' repo, so you may have to enable that in your sources.list if you have not already |
| 05:21.14 | patricx | nano /etc/apt/sources.list to edit the file |
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| 05:22.02 | somiaj | you should have a 'deb url squeeze main' line |
| 05:22.11 | somiaj | turn it into 'deb url squeeze main contrib' |
| 05:22.20 | somiaj | you can also add the non-free repos (those are sometimes useful) |
| 05:22.26 | somiaj | so 'deb url squeeze main contrib non-free' |
| 05:22.44 | somiaj | and all you have to do is append the contrib and non-free at the end of your main source line if it isn't already there |
| 05:25.12 | patricx | somiaj theses are my lines http://pastebin.com/GdJp0i7t |
| 05:26.30 | somiaj | you have a lot of reduendency in there |
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| 05:27.32 | somiaj | but either way, yea that looks like it will work, "deb http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main contrib" -- that is your main repo, the others are just for updates, secuirty and source |
| 05:28.10 | patricx | so there is no problem of redondacy? |
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| 05:31.12 | somiaj | patricx: yea after a double look, you don't have any redundency, the squeeze-updates and squeeze-proposed-updates and squeeze/update are all slightly different |
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| 05:33.38 | patricx | somiaj aptitude install flashplugin-nonfree after the ops i still have a plugin problem |
| 05:34.20 | somiaj | patricx: any errors when installing that package? |
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| 05:34.31 | somiaj | patricx: what does 'about:plugins' tell you about the different plugins you have installed |
| 05:34.36 | patricx | no |
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| 05:35.45 | patricx | is about a command? |
| 05:36.00 | somiaj | patricx: flashplugin-nonfree is a set of strips that contacts adobe's webpage and downloads the newest flash plugin and installs it for you |
| 05:36.15 | somiaj | patricx: 'about:plugins' type that into your browser location bar, it will bring up info about your browser |
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| 05:37.11 | patricx | application/x-shockwave-flash Shockwave Flash swf Yes application/futuresplash FutureSplash Player |
| 05:37.31 | somiaj | so under shockwave flash, what version does it say you have installed |
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| 05:38.58 | somiaj | so according to that you have the recent flash version installed. So what do you mean when you say 'flash isn't working' |
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| 05:40.07 | somiaj | well there are other plugins that could be missing. |
| 05:40.22 | somiaj | what about something like youtube.com (I don't belive that requires anything more than flash) |
| 05:41.07 | patricx | no problem with youtube |
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| 05:41.45 | somiaj | so it is other plugins you are missing (not flash) |
| 05:42.09 | patricx | ok |
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| 05:43.53 | somiaj | you may have to track down what kinda plugin they are missing, there are various other plugin packages in debian. 'mozplugger' is one, and I think there is one that tries to integrate a video player such as say the quicktime/windows media player type plugins too. But I don't ever use them for any site I goto |
| 05:43.56 | skilz | How can I set my motd to be displayed before ssh login not after? e.g user types ssh user@host hits enter and are greeted with the system motd then it asks for password after the motd? |
| 05:44.41 | somiaj | patricx: well 11.1 r102 is the newest 64 bit version. Could the site be requiring the newest 32bit version (that is sometimes newer) |
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| 05:45.29 | patricx | when i donload the tar.gz file please how to install it |
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| 05:47.38 | somiaj | you have the newest version installed already |
| 05:47.52 | somiaj | you just finished telling me you had ver 11.1 r102 when you saw 'about:plugins' |
| 05:48.07 | somiaj | that is exactly what the flashplugin-nonfree package does is download and install the newest flash for you |
| 05:48.29 | patricx | yeah but |
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| 05:51.28 | patricx | please when i donload the tar.gz file please how to install it |
| 05:53.47 | somiaj | because the webpage you are going to is giving you issues. Installing the newest flash that way won't change things |
| 05:54.09 | somiaj | if you said youtube.com is working, flash is installed and working, try to figure out why the webpage isn't liking that version of flash before you just blinding try to install thigns |
| 05:55.10 | patricx | ok |
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| 05:55.30 | patricx | ans it's ok |
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| 05:57.53 | patricx | what about MPEG-1 Layer 3 (MP3) mp3 file |
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| 06:00.37 | Chelsea | Hi all, when switching to ssd as an os-drive, is it allready recommendable (do-able and safe-ish) to use btrfs? |
| 06:01.01 | somiaj | why btrfs? |
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| 06:01.23 | somiaj | really the last comparision I saw of file systems puts that one as the lowest except for special circumstances. |
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| 06:01.47 | somiaj | Chelsea: anways one thing to worry about an ssd is number of writes, so even not using a journling file system and turning of thigns like atime and stuff can increase the life of the drive. |
| 06:01.48 | Chelsea | It looks like a faster fs on ssds as os-drive. |
| 06:02.23 | ooldirty | hey guys, I have a virtual IP that will respond remotely but is dead from localhost. Any hints on where to start debugging? |
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| 06:02.51 | Chelsea | somiaj, thanks for the tip. |
| 06:03.33 | patricx | generally how to know which packet solve which problem please? |
| 06:03.42 | somiaj | !tell patricx about search |
| 06:04.06 | ooldirty | never mind, found it |
| 06:04.11 | ooldirty | thanks anyway D: |
| 06:04.48 | nsadmin | patricx, packages.debian.org |
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| 06:05.01 | patricx | somiaj yes search what ? |
| 06:05.21 | somiaj | patricx: depends, if something says 'missing file foo' search for a file named foo |
| 06:05.24 | patricx | and where |
| 06:05.32 | somiaj | patricx: if something says need package foo, search for packages named foo, and so forth |
| 06:05.51 | somiaj | many ways, read that factoid, you have apt-cache search, you have apt-file search (or packages.debian.org if you don't ahve apt-file isntalled) |
| 06:05.59 | somiaj | you also have dpkg here and even google to search |
| 06:06.33 | patricx | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:06.37 | karlpinc | And debtags too. |
| 06:07.14 | somiaj | patricx: do you want an mp3 player? |
| 06:07.23 | somiaj | patricx: or a mp3 player plugin |
| 06:07.38 | karlpinc | patricx: (In other words, what said that?) |
| 06:07.42 | somiaj | patricx: but lets say mp3, you could jsut do 'apt-cache search mp3' -- though that will porbabaly give you a large list |
| 06:07.44 | nsadmin | debtags, I keep forgetting to find out about that thin |
| 06:07.46 | nsadmin | g |
| 06:08.07 | karlpinc | nsadmin: Very handy. |
| 06:08.30 | nsadmin | so I understand... and the other thing is aptitude search |
| 06:08.34 | SachinDey | Just install vlc it plays everything |
| 06:09.21 | somiaj | SachinDey: prefer mplayer here (the cli version not gmplayer) |
| 06:09.30 | karlpinc | SachinDey: For some value of everything. See the <overview> factoid. |
| 06:09.47 | patricx | for example what is the package name of vlc is the kind of problems i face |
| 06:10.14 | karlpinc | patricx: For that you'd use apt-file because vlc is a file. |
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| 06:11.18 | nsadmin | I got this ~250mb mp3 I recorded from a 4-hour show I played bass on... I just let it run the whole night... now I want to split it up into each song we played |
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| 06:11.25 | karlpinc | patricx: I default to starting with "aptitude search" to look through package names and short descriptions. |
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| 06:12.56 | karlpinc | nsadmin: There's audacity. |
| 06:13.07 | nsadmin | I understand audacity can do that, but what is it, I need some libs or something that I don't have? would they be in dmm? |
| 06:13.19 | nsadmin | oops, be rb |
| 06:14.59 | karlpinc | would record something in flac. Lossy is silly. |
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| 06:17.15 | karlpinc | nsadmin: If it does not work out of the box then maybe so. |
| 06:18.33 | somiaj | nsadmin: did that mp3splt not work? |
| 06:20.28 | jpinx | nsadmin: did you use aptitude's option to view the dependencies before installing? |
| 06:21.00 | jpinx | nsadmin: and yes -- I believe audacity is in dmm -- I used it before with great success |
| 06:22.02 | patricx | i need open office but there are many link displayed after search |
| 06:22.17 | patricx | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:22.37 | karlpinc | jpinx: audacity may or may not be in dmm, but is in main. For mp3's you may need a codec in dmm, or some other approach such as the one in the multi-media section of http;//wiki.debian.org/DebianSoftware |
| 06:22.49 | nsadmin | somiaj, I was really tired after the gig... earlier I got all of 2 hours sleep and then coffeed up and ate lotsa fruit which got me thru it... thank you for pointing it out; I will look at it shortly.... what I really need is something like a stream editor where I can listen and find the music ends and write that out... mp3splt sounds like a command line thing and while I'm very familiar with shell &etc, a command line thing will be very tedious |
| 06:22.55 | karlpinc | patricx: You probably want libreoffice. |
| 06:23.01 | patricx | yes |
| 06:23.02 | karlpinc | !tell patricx about libreoffice |
| 06:23.15 | jpinx | karlpinc: ok - I knew there was something I had to get from dmm ;) |
| 06:23.29 | nsadmin | isn't open office Sun's thing? |
| 06:24.04 | karlpinc | nsadmin: Was Sun, now Oracle. But they pissed off the devs and it forked to libreoffice which is where all the action is. |
| 06:24.24 | nsadmin | good to know |
| 06:24.28 | jpinx | !openoffice |
| 06:24.28 | dpkg | OpenOffice.org is a productivity suite based on Sun's StarOffice. http://wiki.debian.org/OpenOffice http://www.openoffice.org/ #debian-oo on irc.oftc.net, #openoffice.org on irc.freenode.net. See also <debian ooo> and <libreoffice>. |
| 06:24.40 | jpinx | !audacity |
| 06:24.41 | dpkg | Audacity is a multi-track audio editor, designed for easy recording, playing and editing of digital audio. Editing is very fast and provides unlimited undo/redo. The suggested libmp3lame0 package is required for encoding to MP3, ask me about <lame>. http://audacity.sf.net/help/faq http://audacity.sf.net/ #audacity on irc.freenode.net. |
| 06:24.54 | patricx | karlpinc aptitude install libreoffice can't find the packet |
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| 06:25.05 | karlpinc | patricx: So, you can install openoffice in stable, or enable backports from backports.debian.org (which has instructions) and get libreoffice. Libreoffice is slightly newer and has slightly better support for MS office formats. |
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| 06:25.09 | nsadmin | ohghhh audaCITY, not audaCIOUS |
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| 06:25.15 | nsadmin | thank you |
| 06:25.19 | karlpinc | !tell patricx about bdo |
| 06:25.24 | jpinx | nsadmin: ;) |
| 06:25.59 | nsadmin | this whole time (including a coupla days ago) I thought we were talking about this little mp3 player |
| 06:26.19 | karlpinc | patricx: Other office suites are good, but none support Microsoft Office formats as well as libreoffice/openoffice so that's probably the one you want so as to be able to send files back and forth to Microsoft users. |
| 06:26.22 | jpinx | nsadmin: audacity is a complete audio edit suite -- very good imo |
| 06:26.51 | nsadmin | I've been using ardour3 which I compile from svn |
| 06:27.07 | karlpinc | patricx: You seem new, so I'll send you this: |
| 06:27.10 | karlpinc | !tell patricx about overview |
| 06:27.11 | jpinx | nsadmin: sounds painfuil and bugy ;) |
| 06:27.38 | nsadmin | there are bugs, and it's getting better |
| 06:28.17 | jpinx | nsadmin: my experience of audacity was it worked right out of the box and did everything |
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| 06:28.36 | patricx | isn't it better to download and install libreoffice |
| 06:28.39 | jpinx | nsadmin: aptitude install -- use ;) |
| 06:28.54 | nsadmin | on top of that thing being a 4-hour gig, it was my first time playing in that band, and I was a sub |
| 06:29.02 | karlpinc | patricx: You want to use the debian package manager unless you're an expert. |
| 06:29.25 | karlpinc | patricx: See footnote 1 of http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSoftware |
| 06:29.25 | jpinx | !tell patricx about aptitude |
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| 06:29.59 | karlpinc | nsadmin: Next time record in flac so you don't lose data. |
| 06:30.50 | patricx | thanks once more to you all |
| 06:31.03 | patricx | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:32.23 | nsadmin | I recorded the mp3 on this tiny sony recorder powered by a single AAA battery... it ran all night |
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| 06:45.22 | nsadmin | so the reason I was confused before, is often I'll start audacious by typing auda <tab>,,, and as a side effect, I know audacity is not installed |
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| 06:55.39 | karlpinc | Any clues when alioth will be up? |
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| 07:03.39 | streuner | karlpinc: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2012/01/msg00765.html |
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| 07:04.48 | bs0d | Hello guys.. I have upgraded to wheezy. How can I chech that the upgrade process has finished correctly and I've got normal wheezy branch? Is it written somewhere in the system? |
| 07:05.24 | bs0d | the upgrade process went smoothly and I am worried if it has gone ok |
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| 07:07.08 | Gem3 | Still looking for the wireless install dependency files for Squeeze. Install wants 'b43/ucode5.fw' and 'b43-open/ucode5.fw' files. apt-get not possible, I need to download THOSE files from somewhere and provide them to the install process via a USB stick. |
| 07:07.56 | bs0d | did you google somewhere for them? |
| 07:07.56 | Gem3 | Does anyone know where to get THOSE firmware binaries ? |
| 07:08.06 | karlpinc | Gem3: Do you need those files or the packages that contain them? apt-cache search is good. |
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| 07:08.24 | karlpinc | Gem3: The install guide should tell you what to do. |
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| 07:08.41 | karlpinc | streuner: Thanks. |
| 07:09.15 | Gem3 | I've been on google all day.. found nothing but forums talking about using a APT tool to get them online... I DO NOT have access to online from this machine.. |
| 07:10.00 | Gem3 | I just downloaded 200+ megs of ISO earlier that I was told contained the firmware, no joy.. |
| 07:10.21 | Gem3 | kalrpinc: I need THOSE files.. |
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| 07:11.44 | karlpinc | Gem3: Not according to this: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch06s04.html.en |
| 07:12.14 | Gem3 | the message from install says, "The missing firmware files are: b43/ucode5.fw b43-open/ucode5.fw" "If you have such media available now, insert it, and continue." |
| 07:12.40 | Coded1 | it's hypervisors all the way down Jim! |
| 07:13.20 | maik | any of you guys have experience with dspam? |
| 07:13.35 | karlpinc | !tell maik about anyone |
| 07:13.45 | maik | :/ |
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| 07:14.04 | karlpinc | Gem3: Do you know what the chip is, or the pciid? |
| 07:14.12 | maik | i wasn't asking if it's ok to ask a question, but thanks |
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| 07:15.29 | Gem3 | how would I know that unless I am able to get a command line and run lspci, etc ? |
| 07:15.53 | karlpinc | Gem3: You can get to a command line in the installer with alt-f2 (or maybe f3 or f4, I forget.) |
| 07:15.59 | Gem3 | The chip is supposed to be the BCM2311 |
| 07:16.20 | Gem3 | Trying the Fkey for the cl |
| 07:16.57 | Gem3 | no F3 no F4 |
| 07:17.14 | Gem3 | Oh.. ALT.. brb |
| 07:17.45 | Gem3 | No Alt-F3 or Alt-F4 |
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| 07:18.41 | Gem3 | No Alt-F2 either |
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| 07:19.27 | Gem3 | So is there no way to get the 'fw' format bin files as the installer requests ?? |
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| 07:29.39 | Yuqian | I have a problem in mounting my USB flash disk |
| 07:30.06 | somiaj | Yuqian: go on. What sort of problem/errors you getting |
| 07:30.27 | Gem3 | Well.. I finally found some '.fw' files in one of the packages from the 200M netinst ISO, but so far nothing for the BCM2311 or anything named 'ucode5.fw' |
| 07:30.31 | Yuqian | because of my fault ,I took out my USB flash disk when it was working ,then when I mount it again ,it's name changed into /dev/sdc1(the original name had been /dev/sdb1) |
| 07:30.48 | Gem3 | <still looking> |
| 07:31.11 | Yuqian | And I wan't to know howto get it's original name? |
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| 07:31.42 | somiaj | Yuqian: what is the command you use to mount your usb drive |
| 07:32.01 | bs0d | Lucky you, when I plug off my USB headset, Debian just hangs up the entire system :) and only HW reset is a solution |
| 07:32.23 | Yuqian | mount -t vfat /mnt/usb1 |
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| 07:32.45 | maik | Yuqian: have you tried checking "mount" to see if /dev/sdb1 is still mounted? |
| 07:32.48 | somiaj | Yuqian: that is because /mnt/usb1 is an entry in /etc/fstab (so that is basically a short cut) |
| 07:33.22 | Gem3 | This process should NOT! be so evasive... I've been at this for 5 hours now... |
| 07:33.25 | somiaj | Yuqian: you can either use mount -t vfat /dev/sdc1 /mnt/usb1 or modify /etc/fstab -- if you use a uuid in /etc/fstab you do not have to deal with this renaming of device issue. |
| 07:33.58 | somiaj | Gem3: that way I do it is install the base system from the netinstall iso (you don't need a network card to do that). Copy over the firmware deb, install it, get online and continue the instalation. |
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| 07:34.45 | blommer | would debian be a good distro choice to monitor a microphone and start recording when sound is heard, and then transfer that sound recording to a server? |
| 07:34.51 | blommer | and if so what packages would be good? |
| 07:34.58 | Yuqian | Ah,when i mount -t vfat /dev/sdb1 /mnt/usb1,it inform me the /dev/sdb1 was not exist |
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| 07:35.28 | somiaj | Yuqian: that is because you want to use /dev/sdc1 (since that is now the name of the device). again uuid's are a way to avoid this |
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| 07:36.59 | Yuqian | Thanks a lot,I guess I see you.I'm trying:-) |
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| 07:41.20 | Gem3 | Screw Debian !!!! I'm going back to Slackware !!! |
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| 07:43.09 | nsadmin | Yuqian, maybe youre' attaching/detaching things a lot... one way this can happen, is you plug in a usb stick, it shows up as sdb, and it has sdb1... you mount that, then you attach a usb hd, it can't show up as sdb, since that's taken, so it shows up as sdc, and has lots of partitions... then you disconnect both and then reconnect the hd, which then shows up as sdb, and then the stick which gets sdc |
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| 07:51.04 | Yuqian | nsadmin: My Problem has been solved ,but I'll thank you at all. |
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| 07:52.36 | karlpinc | blommer: Debian has more packages than any other distro I know of. You could try to search package.debian.org, but it might be eaiser to find the software you want and see if it's packaged. (It's probably pretty easy to script such a thing, but I don't know how to do it.) |
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| 07:53.18 | blommer | it looks like sox might be what I'm after |
| 07:53.23 | Yuqian | nsadmin: The problem appeared because i plug out my USB stick illegarl |
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| 07:57.42 | karlpinc | blommer: How would you use it to do what you want? |
| 07:58.02 | karlpinc | blommer: (I'm thinking the "record only when sound is heard" part. |
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| 08:03.29 | blommer | karlpinc: I believe there's a flag to set in rec that comes with sox |
| 08:03.44 | karlpinc | blommer: "silence"? |
| 08:04.50 | blommer | karlpinc: I think so |
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| 08:08.04 | jpinx | blommer: an open microphone is never "silent" ;) |
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| 08:20.44 | holeim | Hello. I installed empathy (and another telepathy client from sources, kde-telepathy) on Debian, because I want to test with it occasionally (I want to use telepathy for IM, but it's still not mature enough, so I'm trying from time to time) |
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| 08:21.54 | holeim | The problem is that each 10 minutes empathy-auth-client tries to log in to my IM accounts, even after I kill everything with "pathy" in its name. How do I ban telepathy from starting (except manually)? |
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| 08:29.08 | petrol-x | hello, i'd appreciate some help with python script I'm trying to run. I'm not that close with python yet :) |
| 08:29.38 | somiaj | holeim: services (things that start at boot in debian) are modified by use of 'update-rc.d' |
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| 08:30.09 | somiaj | petrol-x: #python might give better support. Or do you have questions regarding the debian python packages? |
| 08:30.23 | petrol-x | the script uses "keyring" module, by saying: import keyring then it tried to call keyring.set_password |
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| 08:30.42 | petrol-x | i see this function in /usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/keyring |
| 08:30.52 | petrol-x | but it does not seem to include it |
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| 08:31.17 | petrol-x | says: AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'get_password' |
| 08:31.46 | petrol-x | somiaj: thanx for advice |
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| 08:31.57 | somiaj | petrol-x: do you have the package 'python-keyring' installed? |
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| 08:32.26 | petrol-x | yes, i have |
| 08:32.33 | petrol-x | version 0.6.2-1 |
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| 08:34.07 | blommer | jpinx: you can set it to only record once it goes above a certain decibel |
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| 08:36.16 | petrol-x | somiaj: shoud it be ok, or just the opposite? :) |
| 08:37.02 | somiaj | petrol-x: I woudn't know, I haven't used python much. I'd suggest googling your error or making sure you have the correct version of the phython module. But I wouldn't know where to start out side of google.com |
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| 08:37.33 | jpinx | blommer: fairy snuff -- once you work out the decibel level and maybe frequencies that you want to catch ;) |
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| 08:39.22 | project2501a | is debian-med down? |
| 08:39.25 | blommer | jpinx: voice recognition would be the ideal thing, but I have no idea how to approach that |
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| 08:40.03 | project2501a | debian-med down! |
| 08:40.12 | project2501a | panics |
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| 09:03.20 | kallepersson | Hi! My debian installation's date is one hour ahead of what it's supposed to be, even after running dpkg-reconfigure tzdata (Europe/Stockholm) |
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| 09:04.58 | kallepersson | I'll try with ntp |
| 09:06.11 | kallepersson | That did it! |
| 09:06.14 | Zambezi | Clive stopped working for me in Squeeze. Did Youtube change something again? |
| 09:06.47 | Arafangion | kallepersson: Keep in mind that using ntp will potentially cause the clock to *gradually* approach the correct time. |
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| 09:07.16 | kallepersson | Arafangion: Right, it did switch at once for me though |
| 09:07.23 | kallepersson | But I understand what you mean |
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| 09:10.42 | chomwitt | !sources.list |
| 09:10.43 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://cdn.debian.net/debian/ squeeze main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main". Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <squeeze updates> <squeeze security> and "man sources.list". |
| 09:10.56 | chomwitt | !proposed-updates |
| 09:10.57 | dpkg | stable-proposed-updates is a repository containing packages being prepared for the next <point release>. They require extensive testing before being accepted, but these can be acquired and used to test upcoming/fixed packages. They may also cause problems. http://www.debian.org/releases/proposed-updates http://release.debian.org/proposed-updates/stable.html . See also <testing-proposed-updates>. |
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| 09:12.29 | hyppias | best way to put debian on a USB stick and make it bootable? |
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| 09:12.51 | hyppias | the distro i mean |
| 09:13.08 | hyppias | so I can install not from dvd but from USB |
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| 09:15.19 | Arafangion | hyppias: Refer to teh documentation. |
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| 09:16.57 | Haris | Hello people, guys, folks, everyone, all |
| 09:17.09 | Haris | Is there a problem with scp not recognizing long files names on 5.0.9 ? |
| 09:17.43 | Haris | I'm transferring maildir type mailboxes, which have long filenames, that scp cannot note proreply |
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| 09:17.55 | Haris | will it accept the filename if I use slashes |
| 09:18.31 | Haris | I desperately need it to recognise long maildir format email filenames |
| 09:18.49 | Haris | putting the filename within double quotes doesn't help |
| 09:19.50 | Haris | the shell is bash |
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| 09:21.46 | henn1nk | hello. locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory ... what to do? |
| 09:21.59 | DelTree | dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 09:23.42 | henn1nk | DelTree: thanks! |
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| 09:35.08 | nutron|h | what's the method now to have a high resolution console.. uvesafb still the way in sid/wheezy? |
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| 09:37.26 | Arafangion | nutron|h: Depends on the card, but basically anything supporting KMS. |
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| 09:38.03 | nutron|h | haven't kept up with the times, how do I find out what kms supports? |
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| 09:38.07 | cyb99 | hi guys, i wanted to know if bastille was available on squeeze?? sorry i got d/ced didnt see any responses |
| 09:38.10 | Beppino | list |
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| 09:38.22 | Arafangion | nutron|h: Well, what card do you have? |
| 09:38.32 | nutron|h | nvidia 9600gt |
| 09:38.49 | Arafangion | nutron|h: Nouveau drivers support KMS. |
| 09:38.58 | Arafangion | nutron|h: But you miss out on better OpenGL support. |
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| 09:39.10 | Arafangion | nutron|h: Although there is some OpenGL. |
| 09:39.11 | nutron|h | nouveau is disabled due to the binary blob I'm forced to use |
| 09:39.19 | Arafangion | nutron|h: Yep, you can use one, or the other. Not both. |
| 09:39.37 | Arafangion | nutron|h: Why are you forced to use it? |
| 09:39.52 | nutron|h | aye, vesa it is. Do you know if there's a wiki entry on the vga parameter? |
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| 09:40.12 | nutron|h | oh .. gaming |
| 09:40.22 | Arafangion | nutron|h: Ah, indeed. |
| 09:40.35 | cyb99 | hello ?? |
| 09:40.58 | nutron|h | cyb99, packages.debian.org |
| 09:40.58 | Arafangion | cyb99: Hello. No idea if bastille is available on squeeze - have you tried doing a search yourself? |
| 09:41.16 | cyb99 | yeh |
| 09:41.19 | Arafangion | nutron|h: Why do you want a high resolution console anyway? |
| 09:41.26 | cyb99 | i googled for awhile, no answer |
| 09:41.38 | babilen | It's not |
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| 09:42.21 | nutron|h | ugly as hell, and I have servers I don't use X on. So just a general knowledge question. Seems google finds a lot of convoluted blog posts so.. I'm looking for the "official" way =) |
| 09:42.26 | cyb99 | weak, why not! |
| 09:42.47 | Arafangion | nutron|h: Why do you need X or a console on those servers, anyway? :) |
| 09:43.04 | nutron|h | plus, the fonts are strikingly ugly.. and I'm a perfectionist. console-setup helps, but... |
| 09:43.15 | Arafangion | Then install a nicer font. |
| 09:43.21 | Arafangion | nutron|h: Personally, I run emacs. :) |
| 09:43.42 | nutron|h | heh, in case I ... well good point. I use serial lines to access the headless servers in case something goes sideways. |
| 09:43.48 | cyb99 | nutron|h: if its a desktop, why install debian? |
| 09:43.52 | cyb99 | install windows! |
| 09:43.53 | cyb99 | :) |
| 09:44.02 | cyb99 | and never worry about these silly issues again |
| 09:44.02 | Arafangion | cyb99: Why install windows? |
| 09:44.04 | nutron|h | kicks cyb99 |
| 09:44.05 | cyb99 | because |
| 09:44.09 | cyb99 | my fonts work out of the box |
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| 09:44.21 | Arafangion | cyb99: Actually, that's the same as is the case on debian. |
| 09:44.25 | nutron|h | cyb99, feel free to fuck off |
| 09:44.28 | Arafangion | cyb99: nutron|h obviously prefers a non-default font. |
| 09:44.29 | cyb99 | haha |
| 09:44.32 | cyb99 | so close minded |
| 09:44.40 | cyb99 | windows > * for desktop enviroments |
| 09:44.57 | cyb99 | dont get me wrong, debian is great |
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| 09:45.01 | babilen | cyb99, nutron|h: Could we please try to stay on-topic and civil in here? |
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| 09:45.35 | nutron|h | so, I understand the GRUB_GFXPAYLOAD is the way, I think I want to see if vesa supports my native LCD res. |
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| 09:46.31 | nutron|h | babilen, indeed |
| 09:46.33 | cyb99 | babilen, will bastille ever be available for squeeze? |
| 09:47.15 | cyb99 | was available on lenny :( |
| 09:47.26 | babilen | cyb99: No, you *might* be able to backport it from sid by following "/msg dpkg ssb", but I am not entirely sure if that works. |
| 09:47.54 | babilen | cyb99: It will never be part of squeeze (it is the stable release after all) |
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| 09:48.07 | cyb99 | i mean, it was in lenny when it was stable |
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| 09:48.49 | cyb99 | babilen, before i try to backport, are there big issues with bastille & squeeze? |
| 09:49.04 | babilen | cyb99: You can search the bug tracking system to find out why bastille was removed (likely rc bugs). Also note that the version in sid has 2 rc bugs. |
| 09:49.27 | cyb99 | where can i find the bug tracking system? |
| 09:49.35 | babilen | cyb99: http://bugs.debian.org |
| 09:49.38 | cyb99 | ty |
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| 09:50.31 | cyb99 | also, whats the average time frame between when a pkg in testing becomes stable? (or is it like asking how longs a piece of string??) |
| 09:50.44 | Arafangion | cyb99: How long is a piece of string? ;) |
| 09:50.54 | Arafangion | cyb99: I'd assume some 2 years. |
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| 09:51.18 | Arafangion | cyb99: Mostly because I assume it takes 4, on average, for a distro release to be made, although these past few releases have become faster. |
| 09:51.22 | cyb99 | god damn |
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| 09:51.56 | cyb99 | hmm |
| 09:53.01 | henn1nk | i don't understand this. aptitude (gui) says, there a 6 updateable packages.. using aptitude upgrade, it says there is nothing to update. why? |
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| 09:53.33 | henn1nk | ah: 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 6 not upgraded. |
| 09:53.47 | henn1nk | but i don't have a log, why it is not upgraded |
| 09:53.50 | cyb99 | apt-get update && apt-get upgrade |
| 09:54.20 | babilen | henn1nk: Try full-upgrade |
| 09:55.03 | Benkinooby | hi how can i access the other man pages in the SEE ALSO section of a man page? |
| 09:55.29 | Benkinooby | using the names from that section with the man command does not work |
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| 09:59.39 | henn1nk | cyb99: The following packages have been kept back: |
| 09:59.41 | henn1nk | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:00.37 | colo-work | yay, a 3.2.0 bpo kernel. I might be able to give up rolling my own now \o/ |
| 10:01.17 | hyppias | has kernel 3 percolated through to the distros ? or are they still 2.x? |
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| 10:01.55 | valdyn | hyppias: we dont know about non-debian distros |
| 10:02.04 | cyb99 | is this dotdeb? |
| 10:02.08 | hyppias | but for debian... |
| 10:02.23 | valdyn | hyppias: its not in stable. |
| 10:02.30 | hyppias | ok |
| 10:02.33 | cyb99 | hyppias, is this off the dotdeb repo? |
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| 10:05.43 | hyppias | is it a lot of work to drop all X windows stuff from an installation? I want to make a server and don't need the fancy stuff.... |
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| 10:05.56 | cyb99 | dpkg -l |
| 10:05.56 | dpkg | Files in package cyb99-pr0n: /srv/cyb99-pr0n/cyb99.jpg |
| 10:06.01 | valdyn | hyppias: X does not get intalled by default |
| 10:06.01 | cyb99 | then apt-get purge it all! |
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| 10:06.11 | valdyn | !remove X |
| 10:06.12 | dpkg | rumour has it, remove x is "aptitude remove x11-common" will remove X. Use "purge" instead of remove if you also want to remove X's configuration. |
| 10:06.26 | hyppias | ok thnx |
| 10:06.53 | idank | after installing a bunch of updates yesterday, it seems the OS stopped loading up (not sure those two are actually related) |
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| 10:07.14 | idank | I see a lot of things in the console loading up, the last one saying something about gnome |
| 10:07.23 | idank | but then the screen goes blank and nothing happens |
| 10:07.30 | cyb99 | idank, it loads or doesnt like xdm/X login? |
| 10:07.32 | idank | how do I begin to diagnose what's happening? |
| 10:07.41 | valdyn | idank: read /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
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| 10:07.48 | cyb99 | sounds like a graphic card problem |
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| 10:08.02 | idank | cyb99: it doesn't reach the stage where X is up |
| 10:08.15 | cyb99 | but does the system come up ? |
| 10:08.29 | idank | yes, i could get root access in recovery mode |
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| 10:08.58 | cyb99 | try |
| 10:08.59 | idank | if it's a graphics problem, what can I do? |
| 10:09.03 | cyb99 | ctrl+alt+f2 |
| 10:09.06 | cyb99 | then login via console |
| 10:09.17 | idank | when the screen is black? |
| 10:09.25 | cyb99 | yer |
| 10:09.32 | idank | if it works, then what? |
| 10:09.37 | cyb99 | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:09.49 | idank | anything i should look for? |
| 10:09.52 | idank | in there |
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| 10:10.12 | valdyn | idank: and error |
| 10:10.15 | valdyn | idank: an error |
| 10:10.19 | henn1nk | cyb99: oh yes, that are dotdeb packages |
| 10:10.24 | henn1nk | cyb99: don't know wh |
| 10:10.26 | henn1nk | y |
| 10:10.27 | idank | :) ok brb |
| 10:10.47 | henn1nk | Breaks: mysql-client-5.1 but 5.1.58-1~dotdeb.1 is to be installed. |
| 10:11.12 | cyb99 | yer, dotdeb can be funny sometimes.. :/ |
| 10:11.17 | GregorySamba_ | I am having some trouble getting up networking |
| 10:11.34 | valdyn | !tell GregorySamba_ -about ask |
| 10:11.45 | GregorySamba_ | about ask? |
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| 10:12.02 | henn1nk | cyb99: i don't know, why i installed dotdeb packages -.- |
| 10:12.15 | cyb99 | yeh.. i was gonna install some dotdeb pkgs into a prod server |
| 10:12.20 | Arafangion | GregorySamba_: Concerning your trouble... Here's a cookie. (Do you have an actual question?) |
| 10:12.27 | cyb99 | but i was scared it would break some dependancies somewhere |
| 10:12.48 | no_gravity | Hello! When I installed Debian on this machine, it said I have to install some funky non-free stuff to get my wifi working. Since I did not have that stuff, I plugged in a cable. Now I have Gnome running. How do I get my wifi up now? |
| 10:12.57 | GregorySamba_ | well, I might be able to figure out the problem on my own, but I figure, as marrowphages do their work without being conscious of doing so |
| 10:13.01 | GregorySamba_ | there are other options |
| 10:13.08 | valdyn | no_gravity: you install that funky non-free stuff |
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| 10:13.17 | no_gravity | valdyn: how? |
| 10:13.22 | babilen | henn1nk: If you don't know why you installed those you probably don't need them. In either case we can not support them and you might want to remove them with: aptitude purge ~Vdotdeb |
| 10:13.28 | valdyn | no_gravity: apt-get install formware-linux |
| 10:13.37 | valdyn | no_gravity: *firmware-linux |
| 10:13.38 | no_gravity | valdyn: really that line? |
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| 10:14.09 | no_gravity | what will it do? |
| 10:14.21 | valdyn | no_gravity: it will install firmware-linux |
| 10:14.22 | babilen | no_gravity: Could you give me the output of "lspci -nn|grep -u network" please? |
| 10:14.24 | cyb99 | henn1nk, if i were you and i dont guarentee, i'd try remove dotdeb from /etc/apt/sources.list, apt-get build-dep |
| 10:14.38 | henn1nk | hmhm |
| 10:14.39 | cyb99 | apt-get update ; apt-get build-dep |
| 10:14.39 | cyb99 | even |
| 10:14.50 | cyb99 | then i'd put dotdeb back in sources.list |
| 10:14.52 | cyb99 | and try again |
| 10:14.52 | cyb99 | haha |
| 10:14.55 | henn1nk | i don't know, but any reason should be there for installing a dotdeb package |
| 10:14.57 | no_gravity | babilen: that comes back empty |
| 10:15.07 | babilen | cyb99: build-dep? What is that supposed to do? Removing dotdeb repositories from sources.list is a good call though. |
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| 10:15.25 | no_gravity | valdyn: i know tha apt command will install the package. but what will that package do? |
| 10:15.31 | idank | cyb99: ctrl+alt+f2 didn't do anything |
| 10:15.33 | babilen | no_gravity: Hmm, is it listed in the complete output of lspci -nn? Is it a USB adaptor? |
| 10:15.39 | cyb99 | babilen, maybe figure out if there is any broken dependencies?? |
| 10:15.43 | valdyn | no_gravity: read the package desciption |
| 10:15.48 | idank | cyb99: i restarted and logged as root to check the logs |
| 10:15.56 | idank | cyb99: Xorg.log.0 was empty |
| 10:16.04 | idank | .1 had things in it |
| 10:16.07 | no_gravity | babilen: i dont think its an usb adaptor. wifi is part of the notebook. |
| 10:16.09 | valdyn | no_gravity: on a second thought, thats probably the wrong package |
| 10:16.12 | babilen | cyb99: No. build-dep would install build dependencies for the package you provide as argument to that command. |
| 10:16.21 | valdyn | no_gravity: we need to know what type that wifi adapter is |
| 10:16.25 | no_gravity | valdyn: thank god, i didnt just type in your first thought. |
| 10:16.33 | idank | http://paste.pocoo.org/show/542969/ |
| 10:16.33 | babilen | no_gravity: Ok, could you paste the output of "lspci -nn" and "lsusb" to http://paste.debian.net ? |
| 10:16.33 | cyb99 | babilen, maybe he could do apt-get build-dep mysql-server |
| 10:16.39 | valdyn | no_gravity: it would not have been a problem |
| 10:16.53 | cyb99 | idank, no idea! |
| 10:17.06 | henn1nk | babilen: but my mysql database is not removed than? :) |
| 10:17.07 | valdyn | no_gravity: dmesg will probably show what firmware is missing |
| 10:17.32 | no_gravity | valdyn, babilen: i made a photo of the info while installing. it said: "iwlwifi-5000-2.ucode iwlwifi-5000-1.ucode". does that help? |
| 10:17.38 | babilen | henn1nk: I don't know, is it? Doesn't dotdeb provide PHP packages of dubious quality only? |
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| 10:17.49 | cyb99 | idank, do you use gnome? |
| 10:17.54 | idank | yes |
| 10:17.55 | babilen | no_gravity: Ok, in that case you have to install the firmware-iwlwifi package from non-free. |
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| 10:18.02 | babilen | !tell no_gravity -about non-free sources |
| 10:18.05 | cyb99 | do u use gdm? |
| 10:18.06 | henn1nk | babilen: libmysqlclient-dev libmysqlclient16 mysql-client-5.1 mysql-common{b} mysql-server-5.1 mysql-server-core-5.1 |
| 10:18.16 | idank | how do I disable AMD's fglrx driver temporarily without uninstalling it? |
| 10:18.18 | valdyn | no_gravity: yea, apt-get install firmware-iwlwifi |
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| 10:18.24 | idank | what's gdm? |
| 10:18.34 | cyb99 | that fancy login screen |
| 10:18.41 | cyb99 | when u boot xwindows |
| 10:18.42 | cyb99 | ? |
| 10:18.44 | idank | no, it logins automatically |
| 10:18.47 | babilen | no_gravity: You probably also want <contrib> in there as well. In short that means that every "deb" line in your sources.list (deb-src if applicable) should end in "main contrib non-free" |
| 10:18.50 | idank | you mean grub? |
| 10:19.29 | no_gravity | babilen, valdyn: so which one of your solutions do i use? "apt-get install firmware-iwlwifi" or edit sources.lst and add "contrib non-free" to the lines in there? |
| 10:19.41 | valdyn | no_gravity: both |
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| 10:19.57 | no_gravity | ok, so first edit sources.lst and then apt-get install, right? |
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| 10:20.24 | henn1nk | babilen: aptitude purge ~Vdotdeb -----> zsh: no such user or named directory: Vdotdeb |
| 10:20.31 | babilen | no_gravity: Well, it depends on what you have in your sources.list right now. If you don't have contrib and non-free enabled yet, you need to do that first and run "apt-get update" to retrieve the list of packages. That enables you to install firmware-iwlwifi with the aforementioned command. |
| 10:20.51 | babilen | henn1nk: Quote it in that case: aptitude purge '~Vdotdeb' |
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| 10:21.05 | no_gravity | ok .. doing it.. |
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| 10:21.57 | no_gravity | i never understood what "non-free" and "contrib" packages are. although i use linux for 9 years now. |
| 10:22.12 | henn1nk | babilen: oh that is not ok: https://gist.github.com/1703735 |
| 10:22.18 | babilen | !tell no_gravity -about non-free |
| 10:22.21 | babilen | !tell no_gravity -about contrib |
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| 10:23.05 | henn1nk | babilen: i don't want to remove nginx etc |
| 10:23.15 | XATRIX | hi guys...is it possible to install iproute packet on lenny ? |
| 10:23.27 | cyb99 | henn1nk, i had this same problem, i wanted nginx+php5-fpm |
| 10:23.28 | babilen | henn1nk: "apt-cache policy nginx" gives you? |
| 10:23.29 | XATRIX | actually i need traffic shaper (tc) program |
| 10:23.39 | cyb99 | but squeeze didnt have it :( |
| 10:23.45 | idank | if I blacklist the kernel module "fglrx", will it fall back to the standard driver? |
| 10:23.48 | henn1nk | cyb99: right! |
| 10:23.52 | cyb99 | so.. |
| 10:23.55 | no_gravity | babilen: i read it now, but still dont understand. what means "non-free"? the source code is under a license that does not allow changes? |
| 10:24.01 | cyb99 | i decided for a prod server, the safest was apache (for now) |
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| 10:24.13 | henn1nk | babilen: Installed: 1.0.11-1~dotdeb.1 |
| 10:24.17 | henn1nk | :-\ |
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| 10:24.20 | cyb99 | you can install php-apc |
| 10:24.27 | babilen | no_gravity: It means that the software does not satisfy the requirements in the DFSG (/msg dpkg dfsg) |
| 10:24.28 | cyb99 | it increases load times |
| 10:24.31 | cyb99 | reduces* |
| 10:24.39 | henn1nk | cyb99: hmhm |
| 10:24.43 | babilen | henn1nk: So you want to remove it, because you installed it from dotdeb. |
| 10:24.53 | PerfDave | Morning all. apticron's showing that I have a load of packages due to install (like over 40) from squeeze/updates but there's no corresponding DSAs in my inbox or on security.debian.org - what gives? |
| 10:25.04 | henn1nk | babilen: i know now, why i installed dotdeb. (php-fpm) |
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| 10:25.21 | cyb99 | i tested nginx+php5-fpm+php-apc vs apache2+php-apc+mod_expire/cache with apache bench, they gave similar load times (maybe 500ms difference) |
| 10:25.25 | XATRIX | how can i install "iproute" packet ? |
| 10:25.37 | no_gravity | babilen: so if it does not satisfy some requirements, then why distribute them? and if distribute them, why have requirements that forbid this software. i dont get it. |
| 10:25.57 | themill | dpkg: tell PerfDave about 6.0.4 |
| 10:26.00 | henn1nk | cyb99: puh.. |
| 10:26.06 | babilen | henn1nk: Ok, we can not support that. If you want -fpm you can backport php5 from sid -- "/msg dpkg ssb" details how. |
| 10:26.11 | cyb99 | so i decided apache will do for now |
| 10:26.21 | themill | PerfDave: there's a complete changelog there (as well as apt-listchanges, of course) |
| 10:26.24 | henn1nk | cyb99: problem is, that is a prod server. |
| 10:26.34 | henn1nk | cyb99: i am afrait to switch to apache |
| 10:26.39 | cyb99 | is yours prod? |
| 10:26.43 | cyb99 | already running nginx? |
| 10:26.46 | henn1nk | cyb99: yes |
| 10:26.49 | cyb99 | ahh |
| 10:26.50 | no_gravity | ok, disconnecting the cabe now. lets see what happens... |
| 10:26.54 | cyb99 | maybe you could |
| 10:26.57 | cyb99 | setup apache concurrently |
| 10:26.59 | architekt | anyone knows why mozilla.debian.net is down? |
| 10:27.03 | cyb99 | on a different listen port |
| 10:27.10 | cyb99 | then once apache is up, switch? |
| 10:27.16 | babilen | no_gravity: Because people need/want non-free software in certain situation. The most common case is unfortunately that you need non-free firmware, but some people need flash or other proprietary software as well. |
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| 10:27.54 | themill | architekt: the machine hosting that service (and quite a few others) didn't survive a reboot |
| 10:28.29 | architekt | themill: because of the 6.0.4 update? :) |
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| 10:28.34 | XATRIX | does anyone know how to install iproute on lenny ? |
| 10:28.58 | themill | architekt: that was why it was rebooted, but is probably unrelated to its problems |
| 10:29.00 | PerfDave | themill: So Debian's started introducing non-security bugfixes into point releases? |
| 10:29.09 | architekt | themill: okay, thank you! :) |
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| 10:29.18 | themill | PerfDave: has done for a long time but is being a little more aggressive about it, yes |
| 10:29.33 | PerfDave | themill: When did that policy change? |
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| 10:30.11 | themill | XATRIX: (a) aptitude install iproute (b) it's time to upgrade to squeeze as lenny's security support runs out in 7 days' time. /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze |
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| 10:31.05 | themill | PerfDave: as I said, it's not really a policy change, it's just that for the squeeze release cycle they are actively looking for RC bugs that can be fixed in squeeze rather than hoping they'll go away on their own |
| 10:31.14 | XATRIX | yea...but i can't just right now |
| 10:31.24 | cyb99 | does anyone know if a similar package to bastille exists for squeeze? (i found one called tiger but its kinda differeNt)?? |
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| 10:32.17 | gosse | LOL |
| 10:32.20 | XATRIX | themill: when i do aptitude install iproite it gives me |
| 10:32.22 | XATRIX | No packages will be installed, upgraded, or removed. |
| 10:32.22 | XATRIX | 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. |
| 10:32.36 | XATRIX | actually no packages gonna be installed |
| 10:32.39 | themill | so you already have it installed then. |
| 10:33.07 | XATRIX | right...:) |
| 10:33.17 | XATRIX | thanks |
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| 10:34.15 | no_gravity | Yes, wifi works now! |
| 10:34.55 | no_gravity | I have another problem with debian on this machine: It feels slow! Keystrokes here in irssi for example dont come fluidly. Opening windows has a slight delay. Any idea, whats wrong? |
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| 10:37.24 | idimmu | no_gravity: lack of hardware accelerated desktop |
| 10:37.33 | no_gravity | idimmu: where do i enable it? |
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| 10:38.00 | idimmu | ive no idea any more |
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| 10:38.25 | no_gravity | i wonder why hardware acceleration is needed to type in a terminal. |
| 10:38.27 | koskoz | hi, I'm really confuse about sendmail and smtp. Can I use sendmail on my server to send mail through smtp in scripts located on another machine? |
| 10:38.36 | idimmu | in ubuntu you just select some non free repositories, install the binary driver and bamo |
| 10:38.51 | idimmu | no_gravity: so it can display the pretty fonts with antialiasing and all the other stuff? |
| 10:39.26 | no_gravity | idimmu: let me google for it. this machine runs fluidly when i boot ubuntu. |
| 10:40.08 | idimmu | ubuntu is a little friendlier towards non glp binary only drivers i think so might have installed htem out of le box |
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| 10:40.44 | no_gravity | hmm... i get some ancient texts from 2004 that dabble with the xorg.config and stuff when i google for "debian enable hardware acceleration" |
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| 10:41.32 | PerfDave | Of course, you can have accelerated video drivers without using proprietary software. |
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| 10:42.02 | no_gravity | PerfDave: its not about video. its about terminal and firefox. |
| 10:42.26 | no_gravity | PerfDave: just typing an url into firefox and hitting return causes a delay. typing in a terminal is delayed too. |
| 10:42.41 | no_gravity | hitting return here in irssi causes a delay |
| 10:42.58 | GregorySamba | okay, so my problem involves the fact that the network interface recognizes the presence of a network, but I am having trouble configuring dhcpcd: pinging even the local network times out |
| 10:43.18 | idimmu | PerfDave: of course you can, what's their performance like nowadays? :) |
| 10:43.48 | PerfDave | idimmu: Perfectly cromulent |
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| 10:44.54 | idimmu | awesome |
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| 10:45.11 | GregorySamba | ifconfig has pulled the hardware locatrion (eth0), so the problem lies elsewhere |
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| 10:45.14 | idimmu | all my debian boxes are headless so i will never know :( |
| 10:45.15 | PerfDave | idimmu: I mean, probably not great for gaming, but fine for desktop use. |
| 10:45.33 | PerfDave | uses nouveau on some boxes and the free Intel drivers on others |
| 10:46.16 | idimmu | GregorySamba: has your dhcpd server assigned a lease to that mac address? |
| 10:46.20 | idimmu | is it correct? |
| 10:46.44 | cyb99 | after i make changes to /etc/sysctl.conf, how can i `refresh` it? |
| 10:47.17 | idimmu | sysctl -p /etc/sysctl.conf |
| 10:47.25 | cyb99 | ty |
| 10:48.08 | no_gravity | Anybody? I want to enable hardware acceleration on my Lenovo X301. I cannot find any info on how to do it. |
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| 10:50.12 | idimmu | no_gravity: this might help http://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Thinkpad/T400/lenny |
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| 10:50.40 | idimmu | ok its a different laptop but it has the same graphics card |
| 10:51.09 | jelly | no_gravity: Which Debian release are you using? Pastebin your /var/log/Xorg.0.log, your /etc/X11/xorg.conf if it exists, and the output of "lspci -nn". |
| 10:51.33 | no_gravity | idimmu: wow, that goes over my head. |
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| 10:51.53 | no_gravity | jelly: debian 6. |
| 10:53.05 | no_gravity | 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation Mobile 4 Series Chipset Integrated Graphics Controller [8086:2a42] (rev 07) |
| 10:53.09 | no_gravity | 00:02.1 Display controller [0380]: Intel Corporation Mobile 4 Series Chipset Integrated Graphics Controller [8086:2a43] (rev 07) |
| 10:53.12 | jelly | !paste |
| 10:53.12 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ http://paste.pocoo.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>, <lodgeit.py>. |
| 10:53.21 | no_gravity | jelly: ^ that is what i see about graphics in the output of lspci -nn |
| 10:53.33 | no_gravity | jelly: is that enough? |
| 10:54.03 | jelly | that's useful, but not all I asked |
| 10:54.11 | jelly | for |
| 10:54.47 | no_gravity | jelly: im a bit reluctant to paste stuff from my system to the web. |
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| 10:55.20 | jelly | I'm a bit reluctant to guess things without having enough information |
| 10:55.30 | idimmu | :D |
| 10:55.51 | idimmu | im not sure we can tie your facebook account to your graphics driver |
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| 10:56.05 | idimmu | but that was my original plan |
| 10:56.17 | idimmu | i can tell by the pixels |
| 10:56.27 | jelly | no_gravity: at this point, the best I can offer is "verify xserver-xorg-video-intel is installed and being used", and perhaps "try the version from squeeze-backports" |
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| 10:56.48 | no_gravity | jelly: how do i verify that thingy is installed? |
| 10:56.55 | no_gravity | modprobe? |
| 10:57.22 | jelly | no_gravity: that's a package name. dpkg -l packagename or dpkg -s packagename |
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| 10:58.52 | no_gravity | jelly: looks like its installed |
| 11:00.35 | idimmu | whats grep Driver /etc/X11/xorg.conf spit out? |
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| 11:00.52 | no_gravity | by the way: i installed debian in an encrypted LVM. maybe thats an issue? |
| 11:01.13 | idimmu | it could be, you might just have terrible IO/performance |
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| 11:01.14 | no_gravity | idimmu: grep: /etc/X11/xorg.conf: Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden |
| 11:01.26 | no_gravity | idimmu: that means "file of directory not found" |
| 11:01.45 | no_gravity | idimmu: i need harddisk-io when i type text into irssi? |
| 11:01.45 | idimmu | :o |
| 11:01.49 | idimmu | go go gadget localisation |
| 11:02.45 | no_gravity | what? |
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| 11:03.11 | idimmu | no_gravity: how about you tell me why why your performance sucks, then i can stop having new ideas? :) |
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| 11:03.58 | no_gravity | my next try would be to wipe the debian partition, install ubuntu into an encrypted lvm and see how that works. |
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| 11:04.06 | GregorySamba | idimmu: I'm going to check some things |
| 11:05.04 | no_gravity | guess i cannot have a second lvm to try them side by side. |
| 11:06.23 | ChrisH | no_gravity, define second LVM |
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| 11:07.01 | no_gravity | ChrisH: well, i created an encrypted LVM with the debian installer and put / and swap into that. |
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| 11:07.44 | PerfDave | no_gravity: encrypted LVM shouldn't cause your slow UI. All my systems have FDE and are fine. |
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| 11:09.09 | no_gravity | PerfDave: ok |
| 11:09.17 | no_gravity | Its comically slow. Even changing a checkbox in a dialog has a delay. |
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| 11:09.30 | no_gravity | PerfDave: whats FDE? |
| 11:09.54 | PerfDave | no_gravity: Full disk encryption |
| 11:10.10 | ChrisH | does top show anything unexpectd? Load? |
| 11:10.33 | no_gravity | ChrisH: no. completel idle. |
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| 11:12.18 | ChrisH | load? |
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| 11:13.08 | PerfDave | top, iotop, free - all useful things to see if your system is using large amounts of CPU, IO or memory. |
| 11:13.21 | no_gravity | ChrisH: load average: 0.25, 0.10, 0.05 |
| 11:13.46 | no_gravity | let me try to disconnect the external monitor... |
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| 11:15.43 | no_gravity | its fast now!!! |
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| 11:16.59 | ChrisH | Higher load on crypted LVM looks like this: http://paste.debian.net/154054/ This is a slow CPU running crpyted filesystems |
| 11:17.22 | idimmu | no_gravity: external monitor? |
| 11:17.29 | idimmu | ah laptop nm |
| 11:17.35 | GregorySamba | idimmu: a partial output of ifconfig |
| 11:17.42 | GregorySamba | Link encap: Ethernet HWaddr 00:40:d0:61:0d:ee inet addr: 192.168.182.100 Bcast: 192.168.182.255 Mask: 255xx inet6 addr: fe80::240:d0ff:fe61:dee/64 Scope:Link |
| 11:17.49 | idimmu | definitely graphicd drivery then |
| 11:17.51 | no_gravity | idimmu: i had an external monitor connected. with 1920x1080 pixels. now that i unplugged it the machine flies! |
| 11:18.00 | idimmu | is 255xx a valid netmask? |
| 11:18.07 | idimmu | no_gravity: lol |
| 11:18.16 | GregorySamba | well, 255.255.255.0 |
| 11:18.19 | PerfDave | idimmu: No. 255xx is not a valid netmask. |
| 11:18.20 | idimmu | ah ok |
| 11:18.26 | GregorySamba | lol |
| 11:18.33 | PerfDave | Netmasks are dotted quads, or you can use CIDR notation like all the cool kids. |
| 11:18.38 | idimmu | so it is 255.255.255.0 and not 255xx |
| 11:18.41 | idimmu | right |
| 11:18.52 | no_gravity | i will experiment with the monitor on another day. i will have to get some work done now. THANK YOU ALL for your great support! |
| 11:18.55 | ChrisH | ls -rtl |
| 11:19.14 | ChrisH | ups... wrong focus |
| 11:19.31 | idimmu | and you cant ping anything else on 192.168.182.? |
| 11:19.32 | PerfDave | ChrisH: What you're not telling us is that "ls -rtl" is the remote root SSH password for your server ;) |
| 11:19.38 | idimmu | heh |
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| 11:20.11 | ChrisH | PerfDave: Non of my systems have root-pw login enabled... :) |
| 11:20.28 | Marezz | whats the lesser evil when it comes to hardware requirements, gnome 3 or kde4? :S |
| 11:20.44 | GregorySamba | idimmu: as far as I know, no: let me verify that claim, though |
| 11:20.50 | PerfDave | Marezz: I would guess KDE4, but I don't have bencharks. |
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| 11:21.31 | idimmu | does the dhcpd server that assigned the lease have a 192.168.182. address and can you ping that? |
| 11:21.46 | Marezz | PerfDave, I've been thinking the same, just gotta confirm it :) |
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| 11:21.50 | themill | Marezz: I happily run KDE4 on an old P4. A lot of the reputation that KDE has is completely undeserved. |
| 11:21.56 | idimmu | also does that address look correct for your network? its not just one your box has fallen back to as it couldnt get a lease? |
| 11:22.11 | Marezz | themill, Could you tell the whole spec? |
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| 11:23.16 | themill | Marezz: umm.. P4 2.6GHz 512MB RAM, not particularly fast 40GB hdd. |
| 11:23.56 | Marezz | themill, well you got faster cpu, mine is amd athlon64 @1.8ghz, 2gb ddr2 ram and nvidia 8600gt |
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| 11:24.29 | tuxcrafter | how do i make sure open-iscsi initscript stop action is after the libvirt stopping |
| 11:24.45 | themill | Marezz: don't compare clock cycles. That's a better cpu and a lot more memory and I'd guess a much better graphics card too than this old matrox. |
| 11:24.47 | PerfDave | Marezz: A P4 is not faster than an Athlon64 :) |
| 11:24.57 | Marezz | ohh |
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| 11:25.14 | PerfDave | It might have more clock cycles, but it does less with them ;) |
| 11:25.24 | themill | Marezz: I have to feed the hamster in this thing each morning to get it running. |
| 11:25.33 | tensorpudding | that's not exactly true |
| 11:25.33 | Marezz | themill, hehe :) |
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| 11:25.52 | tensorpudding | some pentium 4s are faster than some athlon 64s |
| 11:26.48 | PerfDave | tensorpudding: At some workloads, sometimes. Lies, damned lies, statistics and benchmarks ;) |
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| 11:27.12 | tensorpudding | there's also the fact that there were several revisions of each... |
| 11:27.31 | PerfDave | Yeah, but I know what I'd rather have under my desk if given that choice :) |
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| 11:27.58 | GregorySamba | idimmu: it seems I am pinging the local network successfully |
| 11:28.14 | no_gravity | is there a reason not to do "apt-get remove evolution" if i use icedove? |
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| 11:29.33 | GregorySamba | idimmu: it might then be a problem, I am thinking of an incongruence between the physical address and the assigned lease, as you were suggesting |
| 11:29.50 | GregorySamba | though I haven't nearly the expertise to solve that problem on my own |
| 11:29.56 | babilen | no_gravity: It really depends on how you installed Gnome as its removal *might* cause the removal of a number of Gnome related packages as well. I don't see a problem with removing evolution though. |
| 11:30.09 | tensorpudding | the x2 was a heck of a lot better than the pentium d though |
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| 11:30.28 | no_gravity | babilen: i installed gnome by checking the "desktop" in the installer. |
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| 11:31.36 | no_gravity | babilen: while installing debian i mean |
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| 11:32.20 | babilen | no_gravity: In this case you will, most likely, see the "Remove all of Gnome" behaviour I described earlier. The reason for this is that by removing evolution the "gnome" metapackage which pulled evolution in will have to be removed, which ultimately results in the removal of a number of other packages that *you* like to keep. |
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| 11:32.49 | PerfDave | Why would people want to keep Gnome packages? ;) |
| 11:33.44 | Aldus | Hi. After a dist-upgrade I can't install openssh on my server (debian). When doing apt-get install openssh-server it terminates with this error: Setting up openssh-server (1:5.9p1-2) ... Creating SSH2 ECDSA key; this may take some time ...unknown key type ecdsa --- dpkg: error processing openssh-server (--configure): subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1 configured to not write apport reports |
| 11:34.11 | no_gravity | babilen: ok. keeping evolution then... |
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| 11:35.56 | babilen | no_gravity: There are various ways to deal with this. All of them have in common that they mark specific packages as being manually installed -- The easiest way is detailed in "/msg dpkg remove rhythmbox" (applies to evolution as well) -- Another approach would be to install one of the smaller gnome metapackages (/msg dpkg install gnome). You can also mark packages you want to keep as not being automatically installed with "aptitude unmarkauto ... |
| 11:36.02 | babilen | ... PKG1 PKG2 ... PKGN" |
| 11:36.20 | babilen | no_gravity: Keeping evolution is, certainly, another option as well. :) |
| 11:36.28 | no_gravity | babilen: yeah.. im keeping it :) |
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| 11:40.21 | pjotter | hello |
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| 11:44.58 | aQute | I have python installed at /usr/bin/python but when i write python in terminal it dosen t opens it ? |
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| 11:45.34 | themill | aQute: can you explain that a little better? "it doesn't opens it"? |
| 11:46.06 | aQute | It shows this error -bash: python: command not found |
| 11:46.16 | themill | aQute: did you only just install it? |
| 11:46.34 | PerfDave | aQute: Does it work if you type "/usr/bin/python" instead of just "python"? |
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| 11:46.41 | aQute | yes |
| 11:46.52 | PerfDave | aQute: OK, what does "echo $PATH" say? |
| 11:47.00 | horus__ | Escribe texto o la dirección de un sitio web, o bien, traduce un documento. |
| 11:47.00 | horus__ | Cancelar |
| 11:47.00 | horus__ | inglés |
| 11:47.00 | horus__ | español |
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| 11:47.15 | horus__ | Hi, I have Debian stable and want to reinstall testing, but keeping my / home that is on a filesystem within a LVM. However in isntalación volume does not recognize me, how I can do it to? |
| 11:47.26 | aQute | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:47.46 | themill | aQute: type "hash -r" in that terminal and then try again with "python" |
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| 11:48.15 | aQute | no good :( |
| 11:48.20 | aQute | still not working |
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| 11:48.44 | rawtaz | im installing latest squeeze and chose to use the simple guided partition thingie, one big partition with LVM and encryption. it is currently erasing that one big partition, and it is taking a really long time, for just 20GB. what is it currently doing? im guessing creating some encrypted filesystem or so? |
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| 11:50.10 | aQute | it evenworks when i type python2.5 |
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| 11:56.14 | stylewalka | Hi, I want to acces a local wiki -- which I could see with http://localhost:5001 -- from a network pc; but under http://<ip>:5001 I couldn't access it. Could anyone help? |
| 11:56.15 | aQute | how to install python 2.6 in debian ? |
| 11:56.33 | aQute | sry python 2.7 |
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| 11:58.18 | Sevet | stylewalka: most likely either the wiki's web server is only listening on 127.0.0.1, or it has a firewall that's blocking the request a the remote pc |
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| 11:58.31 | banex | Hi |
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| 11:59.53 | jubo2 | hi. I'm having a little trouble with installing from live image.. the installer program does not detect the existing GRUB, copy values, overwrite GRUB, write values and add self but fails with "GRUB installation failed" ? Why is this ? |
| 11:59.54 | tawmmy | Hello, I am having issues with apt-get install.... |
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| 12:00.14 | tawmmy | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:00.34 | tawmmy | 5.0.9 is in /etc/debian_version |
| 12:00.38 | stylewalka | Sevet: ok, thank you I'll check that. |
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| 12:02.16 | jubo2 | I want to keep my existing OS'es so writing the whole disk is not an option |
| 12:02.55 | PerfDave | tawmmy: Please pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 12:02.57 | jubo2 | pls help - GRUB installation fails with error and ends the installation when using a live-image to install |
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| 12:03.40 | pjotter | Hey guys! Will Debian be using gnome3 in the future? With the sidebar and all? Or will it stay a gnome2 system for a while? |
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| 12:05.03 | jubo2 | How can I install debian if the installer is so stupid it does not expect / check for existing GRUB .. |
| 12:05.23 | jubo2 | I find the Ubuntue to be too unreliable / unstable for me |
| 12:05.34 | Ironhand | hello, I'm attempting to install Debian Squeeze; the root fs is on LVM, which is on a RAID1. At first boot all I get is a line saying just "GRUB ". I was under the impression that Squeeze uses GRUB2 by default, and that GRUB2 supports LVM and RAID. Is this setup supported, and if so, what am I doing wrong? |
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| 12:06.00 | PerfDave | Ironhand: What does the install guide say about installing on RAID? |
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| 12:08.35 | Ironhand | PerfDave: depends on what you mean specifically, I know there's a "you may experience some problems" type statement in there |
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| 12:09.43 | GregorySamba | idimmu: should I just manually assign a new IP based on the local hardware address? how would I go about that? |
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| 12:10.32 | GregorySamba | are there other alternatives? could it be the case my dhcp is configured incorrectly? |
| 12:10.41 | fishsponge_ | hey people - how do i stop services from running at boot-up? is it "insserv -r servicename" ? |
| 12:10.44 | idimmu | http://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration |
| 12:10.46 | fishsponge_ | or is that obsolete these days? |
| 12:10.53 | idimmu | GregorySamba: edit /etc/network/interfaces |
| 12:11.05 | tawmmy | PerfDave: http://pastebin.com/q2XAa77S |
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| 12:11.58 | PerfDave | tawmmy: THanks. CAn you also pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy python-msrplib" ? |
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| 12:12.49 | tawmmy | PerfDave: thank you for your time, http://pastebin.com/NEzi0zNR |
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| 12:13.32 | mezgani | hello |
| 12:14.20 | PerfDave | tawmmy: Yeah, you're pulling that package from a repo which is expecting you to be running Debian Stable (squeeze), not oldstable (lenny). Given that lenny loses security support shortly, I'd strongly recommend upgrading your entire system to Squeeze using http://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/releasenotes |
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| 12:14.59 | Ironhand | PerfDave: it's still not clear to me from the install guide whether the setup I'm trying can be set up succesfully (even if that means using a workaround), or that it's just plain not possible and that I have to use a separate /boot |
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| 12:16.43 | PerfDave | Ironhand: Well, given I have Debian installed on a RAID mirror, with LVM, it should be possible :) |
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| 12:17.13 | PerfDave | Ironhand: I have a seperate /boot mind, because I'm also using disk encryption - but my /boot is mirrored too |
| 12:17.16 | tawmmy | fishsponge_: first find the runlevel you are working with at startup by looking to a line containing initdefault in /etc/inittab |
| 12:17.40 | Ironhand | PerfDave: thanks; I'm guessing that means /boot is not on LVM but "just" RAID? |
| 12:18.02 | PerfDave | Ironhand: Yeah. /boot is on one RAID partition, my crypto disk is on the other raid, the LVM's on the crypto disk. |
| 12:18.05 | IanLiu | I'm trying to create "*-dbg" packages and when I look at the generated deb, the folder structure is like this: https://gist.github.com/1704114 . Is this correct or am I doing something wrong? |
| 12:18.28 | Ironhand | PerfDave: thanks for your help, guess I'll try to set it up with a separate /boot too then |
| 12:18.30 | mezgani | i run rsync over ssh like this |
| 12:18.39 | mezgani | rsync -av op user@192.168.1.1:~/op |
| 12:18.43 | mezgani | but nothing happened |
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| 12:18.59 | PerfDave | mezgani: "Nothing happened"? |
| 12:19.02 | fishsponge_ | tawmmy, i want it gone from all runlevels... |
| 12:19.26 | mezgani | yep it did not ask me for a password ? |
| 12:19.39 | mezgani | PerfDave: nor data are copied |
| 12:19.44 | PerfDave | mezgani: What is "op"? |
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| 12:19.52 | mezgani | PerfDave: a directory |
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| 12:20.27 | PerfDave | mezgani: OK, you need -r to copy directories, I think. |
| 12:20.57 | PerfDave | mezgani: It won't ask you for a password if you're using an SSH agent? |
| 12:21.35 | tawmmy | fishsponge_: look to update-rc.d |
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| 12:23.19 | monny | my dog shit on my keybord how to fix it |
| 12:24.19 | PerfDave | monny: Unplug, put in bucket of warm soapy water, add disinfectant, leave to dry. Or bin it and get a new one. |
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| 12:26.41 | rawtaz | question: as i understand it, the erasing of a partition when you choose LVM+encryption is just writing random data to the disk in order to make it less apparent where the actual data resides in the future. so if just testing out encryption, its safe to not erase the disks, right? |
| 12:27.04 | rawtaz | the disk size is 4TB so it would take a huge amount of time |
| 12:27.44 | jelly | PerfDave: it sounds more like a question for ##hardware really |
| 12:27.59 | jelly | unless it's debian-specific poop |
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| 12:28.20 | craaa | hi |
| 12:28.31 | craaa | my java program (JVM itself) segfaults. |
| 12:28.39 | craaa | what to do about it? |
| 12:28.47 | PerfDave | jelly: I think Debian-specific poop is called Ubuntu, no? :) |
| 12:28.50 | DelTree | which jvm ? |
| 12:29.26 | jelly | rawtaz: if 10+ years down the line someone invents a viable attack against your chosen encryption method, do you want the attacker to be able to gain access to data on your old disks? |
| 12:29.40 | jubo2 | how can I install debian keeping my Windows 7 and existing Linuxen ..? The installer that comes with the live hybrid image fails in the latter states of the installation process saying "GRUB installation failed." ( or thereabouts, it's in Finnish ) |
| 12:29.52 | jubo2 | how do I force it to detect and deal with the existing GRUB ? |
| 12:30.50 | jelly | jubo2: you'll have to pick one OS to manage the boot loader and the boot loader config |
| 12:30.54 | jubo2 | I want to keep the Windows just in case my old mac kicks it after the only way to have drivers for the soundcard that drives my condensed mic .. |
| 12:31.15 | craaa | it is the same crash - on defragmenting blocks, since few days, always in same place, despite rebooting, memtesting and all (anyway the machine IS stable) so it looks like a bug... bug in debian 6.0.3 64bit JVM triggered by Freenet? |
| 12:31.21 | jubo2 | .. and Spotify .. but oh .. wait.. Spotify beta is available for debian :D |
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| 12:31.28 | rawtaz | jelly: as i said i am testing out encryption so this wont be the production installation. what i am asking put another way is if there is any other reason than this "obfuscation" to the erasing, cuz if thats all its done for i cna skip it in this test environment |
| 12:31.42 | craaa | delYsid: `/etc/alternatives/java' -> `/usr/lib/jvm/java-6-openjdk/jre/bin/java' |
| 12:32.05 | jelly | rawtaz: yeah, the idea is you're reasonably safe if you merely get rid of the keys |
| 12:32.07 | rawtaz | jelly: the answer to your question is no. but these disks will be overwritten with a new encrypted partition if all works fine :) |
| 12:32.19 | craaa | brb, if anything then highlight/PM me please |
| 12:32.27 | rawtaz | jelly: ok thanks :) |
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| 12:33.14 | jubo2 | jelly: I just want the installer to copy the values from the old GRUB, overwrite the old GRUB, write the values and add self I thinks.. |
| 12:34.03 | jubo2 | I'm so dissappointed with the unreliability and unstability of the Ubuntue I've tested .. |
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| 12:37.17 | bigterd | looking at the 'net install page, it doesn't tell what directories are needed for a local ftp installation. i'd like to download and mirror it to my local ftp on my LAN, i'm setting up 80 boxes, and i'd liek to keep the traffic local. any links of what i'm trying to accomplish? |
| 12:37.33 | Aldus | Hi. After a dist-upgrade I can't install openssh on my server (debian). When doing apt-get install openssh-server it terminates with this error: Setting up openssh-server (1:5.9p1-2) ... Creating SSH2 ECDSA key; this may take some time ...unknown key type ecdsa --- dpkg: error processing openssh-server (--configure): subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1 configured to not write apport reports |
| 12:38.39 | PerfDave | Aldus: I'm guessing that the ECDSA keytype is specified in your old SSH server config, and is deprectaed? |
| 12:39.18 | Aldus | PerfDave, that could be... but how to purge it? |
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| 12:40.44 | PerfDave | Aldus: Tweak the contents of /etc/ssh/sshd_config ? |
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| 12:42.53 | Aldus | PerfDave, I'm not sure I am able to do it :| can't it just be reinstalled? |
| 12:43.44 | PerfDave | Aldus: you should be able to "aptitude --reinstall install"? |
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| 12:45.08 | Aldus | PerfDave, sure |
| 12:46.47 | Aldus | PerfDave, if I do apt-get --reinstall install I have the same exact error as above |
| 12:47.02 | babilen | !tell Aldus -about confnew |
| 12:47.09 | Aldus | maybe should I just delete sshd_config ? |
| 12:47.32 | guardian | i need a hand please — in the context of shared hosting; should i rather add www-data user to every user group, or add every user to the www-data group? i need the nginx process (run by www-data) to access my /var/run/php5-fpm/*.sock sockets which have 660 permission or change sockets permissions to 666? |
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| 12:48.12 | PerfDave | guardian: You should think very carefully about what you're suggesting and what its implications are. |
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| 12:48.57 | PerfDave | guardian: Adding www-data to every user group will allow rogue web code (code injection etc.) to get to all your system logs, mess around with raw disk devices, access user home directories etc. |
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| 12:49.29 | guardian | yeah indeed i don't want to mess with users and groups |
| 12:49.30 | PerfDave | guardian: Adding every user to the www-data group will allow users to see each others' site code including database passwords etc. |
| 12:49.56 | guardian | i don't really know the implications of having 666 permissions on unix domain sockets |
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| 12:50.03 | guardian | to me it's harmless |
| 12:50.15 | Aldus | babilen, i just tried with: apt-get -o Dpkg::Options="--force-confnew" install --reinstall openssh-server .... same error |
| 12:50.25 | guardian | as the other way to operate nginx+php-fpm is to listen to 127.0.0.1:port |
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| 12:53.19 | Marezz | why some use sudo su, su -, su? whats the difference? |
| 12:53.52 | D-Boy | How can I monitor/limit bandwidth and transfer speed on a user basis ? |
| 12:53.56 | PerfDave | sudo su is evil, sick and wrong |
| 12:54.12 | PerfDave | For the difference between "su -" and "su", see "man su" |
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| 12:54.21 | guardian | PerfDave: thx for your help |
| 12:54.49 | Marezz | PerfDave, lol, whats wrong with sudo su? xD |
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| 12:55.31 | themill | PerfDave: what's wrong with sudo su -c 'foo' user ;) |
| 12:55.31 | PerfDave | Marezz: It completely negates the point of sudo, which even provides you with a nice "sudo -s" to do what you think you want to do when you use "sudo su". |
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| 12:57.05 | Aldus | PerfDave, babilen , the problem wasn't solved with the suggested commands :( |
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| 13:00.55 | craaa | guys? |
| 13:00.59 | craaa | java is not working on debian |
| 13:01.03 | craaa | always crashing. |
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| 13:02.33 | PerfDave | craaa: I think you mean "what I'm doing with Java isn't working on my Debian install" |
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| 13:03.03 | themill | (which you would then follow up with some concrete information) |
| 13:03.03 | craaa | PerfDave: yea, but java JVM itself is segfaulting |
| 13:03.19 | craaa | freenet java application always crashes with segfault |
| 13:03.40 | PerfDave | craaa: That might be the fault of Freenet, not the JVM :) |
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| 13:04.14 | relix | Hey guys, on a server if I added entries to /etc/hosts.deny, do I need to restart some service for it to take effect? |
| 13:04.19 | PerfDave | craaa: But yes, start by telling us what version of Debian you're running, what commands you're executing, and what output they give. I'm not a Java person so probably won't be able to help - but somebody might if you help us to help you. |
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| 13:04.49 | craaa | 6.0.3 debian on 64bit system, running freenetproject.org anti-censorship tool, crashes with segfault always |
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| 13:05.49 | PerfDave | Ah well, I tried :) |
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| 13:07.21 | craaa | PerfDave: what? |
| 13:07.25 | Marezz | how long package stays in sid before going to testing? |
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| 13:07.45 | PerfDave | Marezz: About 2 weeks, assuming no major bugs filed |
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| 13:08.15 | Marezz | PerfDave, Thanks mate |
| 13:08.17 | craaa | #0 0x00007ffff2366c38 in ?? () #1 0x00007fffb2298c40 in ?? () #2 0x00007fffdeb4bca8 in ?? () |
| 13:08.24 | craaa | how to install debug symbols for my java version? |
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| 13:09.16 | craaa | ah here it is. nevermind |
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| 13:12.49 | nsadmin | Hi... before rebooting, someone had suggested audacity as a way to split my big mp3 into lots of little ones... who was the one to suggest it, and especially there was someone who said they've done this exact job with audacity... who was that? I'd like to pick your brains a bit |
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| 13:14.29 | craaa | I try to debug JVM crash, but openjdk's -dbg seem to after all not provide debug symbols for java.. why is it ? |
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| 13:14.38 | craaa | info: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=StMLTajJ |
| 13:14.40 | PerfDave | nsadmin: I'd use mp3splt - it defnitely doesn't decode & re-encode |
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| 13:15.20 | nsadmin | well let's see about that... I did say I'd look at it |
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| 13:19.21 | fasta | I get waiting for interface eth1 before doing NFS mounts ... (warning). |
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| 13:19.36 | fasta | How can I make sure that it does NFS mounts regardless of whether that interface is up? |
| 13:19.40 | nsadmin | is your networking up? |
| 13:19.58 | fasta | nsadmin: yes, but I connect to multiple devices. |
| 13:19.59 | nsadmin | is your default route thru eth1? |
| 13:20.02 | fasta | nsadmin: no |
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| 13:20.40 | nsadmin | then I'm with you... I don't understand why nfs would insist on waiting for an irrelevent interface |
| 13:21.02 | fasta | nsadmin: eth1 is an USB over Ethernet connection which only is useful when that device is actually plugged in. |
| 13:22.20 | nsadmin | nfs shouldn't concern itself with interfaces; either the network allows, or denies, access to a particular IP address |
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| 13:24.12 | fasta | All this theory is very interesting (I wouldn't ask if I wouldn't consider this behaviour wrong and stupid), but is there also a solution? |
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| 13:25.32 | nsadmin | well there are occasional exceptions (like problems mysteriously disappearing without knowing anything), but usually in order to form a solution, you would need to know everything about the problem |
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| 13:27.31 | fasta | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:27.31 | fasta | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:27.46 | fasta | nsadmin: I would say the problem is that some programmer told the machine to do the wrong thing. |
| 13:28.07 | fasta | nsadmin: what it should know is via which interface it can obtain the nfs mounts. |
| 13:28.21 | PerfDave | fasta: How should it know that, since it might change between boots? |
| 13:28.24 | nsadmin | that should come from exports? |
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| 13:28.27 | fasta | nsadmin: then based on that information it could make a correct decision. |
| 13:28.41 | fasta | PerfDave: I don't see why it would change. |
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| 13:29.11 | fasta | PerfDave: there are device identifiers and all kinds of other ways to make stable names. |
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| 13:29.33 | PerfDave | fasta: Sure, then you plug network cables in the wrong way round ;) |
| 13:29.46 | fasta | PerfDave: ? |
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| 13:30.33 | gypsymauro | hi |
| 13:30.35 | fasta | PerfDave: in short, until other evidence is presented to the contrary, I have no other choice than to classify it as a broken solution. |
| 13:30.39 | luxbic | algum brasileiro?? |
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| 13:30.50 | PerfDave | fasta: It doesn't work for you. Doesn't mean it's not a sensible default. |
| 13:31.14 | fasta | PerfDave: A system should work for all use cases, not just the ones that the programmer who wrote it thought of. |
| 13:31.38 | gypsymauro | I've just added a volume with open-isci, I can create a new partition but when I try to format it with: mkfs.ext4 -L SRVBKP01-BKP03 /dev/sdj1 it fails with /dev/sdj1 is apparently in use by the system; will not make a filesystem here! , how can I figure out why it says that? |
| 13:31.40 | fasta | PerfDave: 'Debian: the universal OS'. |
| 13:31.49 | fasta | So much for being universal. |
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| 13:31.58 | PerfDave | fasta: All this theory is very interesting, but perhaps you should be looking for a solution. |
| 13:34.56 | jelly | fasta: as a workaround, you might try not bringing up eth1 at boot |
| 13:35.59 | fasta | jelly: I just configured it like that. |
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| 13:36.12 | fasta | jelly: still, not a very nice solution. |
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| 13:36.50 | nsadmin | jelly: why would nfs be concerning itself with interfaces? what was the issue? |
| 13:36.52 | jelly | now imagine how much time you'd have to spend for a workaround on a less universal OS |
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| 13:37.56 | PerfDave | nsadmin: I'm sure there's a good reason for it ;) |
| 13:38.08 | fasta | A real solution would involve just sshing to the machine where the NFS mount is, checking that it is up and then do the mount. |
| 13:38.50 | fasta | (instead of doing the broken test there is now) |
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| 13:39.25 | PerfDave | fasta: Feel free to submit a bug report rather than whining on IRC - it might even be productive. |
| 13:39.26 | jelly | nsadmin: I'm not getting into that at all. I guess inspecting and fixing the scripts in /etc/network/*.d/*nfs* might be a more correct approach |
| 13:40.47 | jelly | fasta: you can probably adapt the test for your local purposes. ssh client access does not always correlate with nfs client access. |
| 13:41.13 | fasta | jelly: I know, but it could always _try_. |
| 13:41.18 | Marezz | PerfDave, Is Netinstall better than CD? |
| 13:41.20 | jelly | shrug |
| 13:41.32 | fasta | If it cannot get credentials in one way, it could just try 10 ways. |
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| 13:41.53 | PerfDave | Marezz: Define "better". I tend to do installs with the first full CD/DVD |
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| 13:43.29 | nsadmin | jelly, agreed... and, it may be a custom solution per debian user, or at least per situation |
| 13:43.41 | Marezz | PerfDave, Well I meant will install that way be more lighter than the usual way? |
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| 13:44.02 | jelly | fasta: I don't have anything useful to add. If you want, I'll be glad to implement those tests at a reasonable hourly rate. I'll even do it under a dfsg-compatible license so you can send patches back to Debian if you want |
| 13:44.08 | gypsymauro | in /etc/fstab I use labels to connect my discs, but there is a way to know where are located labels? |
| 13:44.17 | PerfDave | Marezz: What do you mean "more lighter"? |
| 13:44.47 | jelly | will #!/bin/sh for cash |
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| 13:45.08 | PerfDave | will #!/bin/sh for dash |
| 13:45.21 | jelly | ... rainbow dash? |
| 13:46.14 | aQute | I need to install python-fabric on my debian server and its showing an error when I investigated I found out that the error always comes with python2.5 so i guess ineed to install python2.7 can somebody please tell me how to do that ? |
| 13:46.20 | PerfDave | jelly: No, the shell used in Debian for system scripts :) |
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| 13:47.11 | jelly | PerfDave: mine is 20% cooler. |
| 13:47.21 | PerfDave | aQute: What version of Debian are you running? |
| 13:47.37 | aQute | Debian GNU/Linux 5.0 \n \l |
| 13:47.44 | PerfDave | jelly: I do have a little Rainbow Dash on my desk at work. My partner got it for me for Xmas. |
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| 13:47.58 | PerfDave | aQute: OK, don't run Debian 5. It's out of date and about to lose security support. Upgrade to Debian 6. |
| 13:48.04 | nsadmin | aQute, would you like to update |
| 13:48.15 | jelly | PerfDave: I'm a little jealous right now. |
| 13:48.24 | PerfDave | aQute: That'll have a more modern Python too - not sure whether it's 2.7 or not. |
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| 13:48.51 | aQute | that lll work cause the problem is with python2.5.x only |
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| 13:49.00 | aQute | is there no other way ? |
| 13:49.26 | PerfDave | aQute: There are other ways, but you don't want to run a distribution that doesn't have security support, so you want to upgrade. |
| 13:49.27 | aQute | can I upgrade through terminal ? |
| 13:49.38 | PerfDave | !tell aQute -about lenny->squeeze |
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| 13:50.25 | aQute | ? |
| 13:51.17 | PerfDave | aQute: dpkg has just sent you a private message telling you how to upgrade. |
| 13:51.41 | alex- | !tell alex- -about lenny->squeeze |
| 13:51.51 | aQute | did he i didn t get it |
| 13:52.23 | PerfDave | aQute: Look for a privmsg window outside this channel chat? |
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| 13:53.09 | fasta | jelly: there are important bugs in initscripts open since 2007. What is the meaning of 'maintainer' in Debian? |
| 13:53.33 | fasta | It certainly doesn't appear to keep it up to date and solve issues related to it. |
| 13:53.45 | PerfDave | fasta: Well volunteered |
| 13:54.07 | PerfDave | fasta: Now submit some patches and go to #debian-mentors on OFTC for your reward. |
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| 13:54.11 | jelly | fasta: how many of those have you actually stumbled onto? |
| 13:54.14 | np_complete | hi |
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| 13:54.37 | PerfDave | np_complete: Are you a travelling salesman? |
| 13:54.45 | np_complete | whrn I try to install ogre-dev in wheeze I get the: libogre-dev : Depends: libboost-date-time-dev but it is not going to be installed |
| 13:54.45 | np_complete | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:54.48 | fasta | jelly: 3 or so. |
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| 13:55.23 | np_complete | PerfDave yes |
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| 13:55.41 | echo_ | I use archlinux at times and wrote a script that I put under /etc/rc.d/functions.d/ what is the equivalent in debian? |
| 13:55.45 | jelly | fasta: well, sometimes pinging the bug helps. Sometimes not even sending a patch doesn't, esp. if there's a change the fix would break other stuff |
| 13:56.04 | jelly | s/doesn't/does/ |
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| 13:56.19 | fasta | I also recommend everyone a apt-get install reportbug-ng |
| 13:56.42 | jelly | yeah, rng is nice when it doesn't break itself :-) |
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| 13:56.55 | fasta | jelly: when I ran unstable, it never worked. |
| 13:57.13 | jelly | what can I say, it wfm |
| 13:57.26 | nsadmin | PerfDave, I installed mp3splt, and I see it's going to be too tedious for the job at hand... however, I'm keeping it and will explore what its capabilities are. |
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| 13:57.51 | fasta | Speaking of remote-exploits... did all of the fixed get already backported and how can I check? |
| 13:57.51 | PerfDave | nsadmin: Fair enough :) |
| 13:58.10 | fasta | (other then by copy pasting some code from some slides and test for myself) |
| 13:58.13 | nsadmin | meanwhile, how do I get audacity to put its playback thru the audio?! |
| 13:58.34 | fasta | (There have been a few remote exploits with a greater kernel version than the one in Squeeze. ) |
| 13:59.06 | PerfDave | fasta: I work for a penetration testing company, we have very reasonable rates. |
| 14:00.15 | jelly | !tell fasta about tracker of doom |
| 14:00.20 | fasta | PerfDave: did #debian become a consulting company? ;) |
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| 14:00.29 | nsadmin | PerfDave, good to know! |
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| 14:00.32 | fasta | PerfDave: if I run something important some day, I will keep that in mind. |
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| 14:01.47 | craaa | my JVM (openjdk on debian 6) crashes often. And despite installing -dbg package I do not see no backtrace functions when gdb debugging the JVM crash. Why? http://pastebin.com/kfHZ3Hje |
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| 14:06.04 | nsadmin | hmm, problem mysteriously disappeared :) |
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| 14:13.36 | woshty | why do i still get Ouch! Got SIGABRT, dying.. when i try to enter ~ into aptitude search box |
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| 14:15.49 | nand` | I want to configure my ssh server to reject all connections not from a small set of allowed users, using the user's private RSA key's fingerprint to verify. How easy is this to set up and can anybody help me get it done? |
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| 14:20.11 | themill | nand`: AllowGroups or AllowUsers can define who is allowed to login; disable PasswordAuthentication to require the use of keys. (sshd_config(5) for more details) |
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| 14:25.44 | Amarande | interesting. having the kernel from bpo causes both 2.6.39.4 and 3.x images to be downloaded now |
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| 14:25.54 | Amarande | however, the 3.x images do not appear in the GRUB menu, why? |
| 14:26.06 | nand` | themill: done, thanks |
| 14:26.40 | themill | Amarande: there's no 2.6.39.4 in debian... |
| 14:26.54 | jhutchins_lt | ,kernels |
| 14:26.55 | judd | Available kernel versions are: sid: 3.2.0-1-686-pae (3.2.1-2); wheezy: 3.1.0-1-686-pae (3.1.8-2); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.1-686-pae (3.2.1-2~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-41); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-35~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-27) |
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| 14:27.20 | Amarande | themill: yeah, bpo has been pulling 3.x for a few weeks now |
| 14:27.21 | Amarande | however: |
| 14:27.23 | Amarande | Linux naamah 2.6.39-bpo.2-amd64 #1 SMP Tue Jul 26 10:35:23 UTC 2011 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 14:27.25 | jhutchins_lt | Interesting, the squeeze backport kernel is newer than wheezy. |
| 14:27.37 | Amarande | and, when I reboot, the 3.x kernels do not appear in GRUB |
| 14:28.12 | themill | Amarande: "few days" not "few weeks" but I still don't see a 2.6.39.4 anywhere. That is not a debian kernel version number. |
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| 14:28.31 | Amarande | ah. for some reason I assumed it was 2.6.39.4 since that was the latest 2.6.39 |
| 14:28.46 | Amarande | I knew it was 2.6.39.something. Ought to have checked uname -a first to see the proper patchlevel number. :) |
| 14:29.00 | Amarande | Anyway, the real question is why the 3.x kernels aren't appearing in the GRUB menu after being pulled from bpo |
| 14:29.31 | jhutchins_lt | Amarande: Have you manually run update-grub |
| 14:29.34 | themill | Are you using the standard debian grub2 configuration? Or have you customised it? |
| 14:29.42 | Amarande | standard debian grub. |
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| 14:30.14 | Amarande | Did not run update-grub ... the 2.6.39 kernel packages did that automatically apparently, but for some reason the 3.x ones do not |
| 14:30.25 | themill | Amarande: the 3.x ones do too. |
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| 14:31.28 | Amarande | interesting: update-grub isn't finding the 3.x ones |
| 14:31.29 | Amarande | http://pastebin.com/Kt8y5YLH |
| 14:31.59 | themill | Amarande: can you pastebin the output of "aptitude versions ~nlinux-image~i" for me? |
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| 14:32.35 | jhutchins_lt | Perhaps ls -l /boot as well |
| 14:32.40 | np_complete | I can't install ogre-dev in wheezy... has anyone had same problem? |
| 14:32.45 | Amarande | http://pastebin.com/taLmSrZa |
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| 14:32.52 | Amarande | that's the aptitude output |
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| 14:33.02 | Amarande | ahhh, yes, interesting. |
| 14:33.10 | Amarande | in /boot, only the 2.6 kernel images are present |
| 14:33.13 | nsadmin | np_complete, exactly why can 't you install that? |
| 14:33.16 | Amarande | where DID the 3.2 one get installed to, then? |
| 14:33.18 | themill | Amarande: there's no actual kernel installed there |
| 14:33.47 | Amarande | checking "find / | grep vmlinuz-3.2" now |
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| 14:34.01 | Amarande | nothing is found at all |
| 14:34.21 | Amarande | ok, what is the kernel called in those packages, then? and where does the package put it? |
| 14:34.33 | np_complete | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 14:34.34 | np_complete | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:34.34 | np_complete | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:34.54 | nsadmin | np_complete, so install those :) |
| 14:35.15 | np_complete | it should do it automatically |
| 14:35.21 | np_complete | I got all libbosst 1.48 already |
| 14:35.22 | themill | Amarande: should be "linux-image- 3.2.0-0.bpo.1-amd64" |
| 14:35.32 | Amarande | themill: that's the package name |
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| 14:35.44 | nsadmin | ok, have it your way... don't install it... but, that's not going to get you the result you want |
| 14:35.47 | Amarande | I'm wondering what the actual install file name ought to be so I can run find / | grep whatever for it and figure out why it's not being found |
| 14:36.04 | themill | Amarande: yes. it's not obvious to me why linux-image-2.6-amd64 didn't cause that to be installed |
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| 14:36.10 | simonlnu | np_complete: the versionless packages are there for a reason |
| 14:36.26 | themill | Amarande: you don't have a 3.2 kernel installed at all so there's nothing for update-grub to find |
| 14:36.28 | simonlnu | a good reason |
| 14:36.30 | nsadmin | what is more important... what "should" happen, or reaching your goal? |
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| 14:37.48 | np_complete | can I have 1.46 and 1.48? cuz I need libbost 1.48 |
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| 14:37.57 | simonlnu | !tias |
| 14:37.58 | dpkg | TIAS is "Try It And See". |
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| 14:38.28 | Amarande | themill: then what DID that package install? |
| 14:39.12 | themill | Amarande: it's a package that is designed only to make it easier to keep your kernel package up to date. It installs nothing -- it only has dependencies. |
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| 14:40.23 | themill | Amarande: "aptitude -t squeeze-backports install linux-image-amd64" should sort you out. |
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| 14:41.17 | Amarande | ah, there we go |
| 14:41.29 | nsadmin | np_complete, it may be that version of libboost has other packages that depend on that version only... if this is the case, aptitude will be replacing some packages |
| 14:42.05 | np_complete | ok |
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| 14:42.42 | Mephisto | isn't it "install -t squeeze backports"? |
| 14:42.48 | Mephisto | or is it only for apt-get? |
| 14:42.49 | Amarande | also: is mozilla.debian.net down or changed permanently to a different URL? |
| 14:42.56 | themill | Mephisto: both should work |
| 14:42.58 | Amarande | W: Failed to fetch http://mozilla.debian.net/dists/squeeze-backports/Release.gpg Could not connect to mozilla.debian.net:80 (217.196.43.134). - connect (111: Connection refused) |
| 14:42.59 | themill | Amarande: down |
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| 14:43.38 | Mephisto | anyways.. can anyone tell me what do i need nvidia-libopencl files for? |
| 14:43.53 | Mephisto | i got all nvidia-related files, but not these ones |
| 14:44.01 | Mephisto | just curious what i need them for... compiz?.. |
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| 14:44.26 | Amarande | heh compiz. knoppix has cured me of any desire to install compiz on my main setup |
| 14:44.43 | Amarande | yay for gaudy gewgaws :P |
| 14:44.57 | Mephisto | compiz is fine, it's just that you shouldn't mix it with anything... wine for example... tray sucks while compiz is on... |
| 14:45.14 | Mephisto | as well as metacity compositing manager.. same stuff, same like issues. |
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| 14:46.04 | Mephisto | yeah, backports are unavailable now |
| 14:46.06 | Mephisto | same here |
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| 14:46.22 | Mephisto | for two days already |
| 14:46.23 | erp | why am i getting like 150/kbps from aptitude |
| 14:46.27 | Mephisto | yesterday couldn't fetch either. |
| 14:46.36 | Mephisto | erp, not from aptitude.. it's your network |
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| 14:46.45 | erp | explain |
| 14:46.47 | Mephisto | aptitude only accesses the servers |
| 14:47.04 | Mephisto | well... basically aptitude can't reduce your speed, if you mean that it's kinda slow. |
| 14:47.07 | echo_ | change repos and see if the speed picks up. |
| 14:47.12 | erp | echo_: i have |
| 14:47.17 | echo_ | weird |
| 14:47.20 | nsadmin | isn't compiz really wasteful of cpu bandwidth? |
| 14:47.26 | Mephisto | nsadmin, not much. |
| 14:47.30 | erp | i normally get like 1.6/mbps |
| 14:47.35 | Mephisto | nsadmin, if you mean "consuming" |
| 14:47.42 | erp | i just now installed debian..so, idk if some configuration is messed up |
| 14:47.50 | Mephisto | nsadmin, i checked system resources when i had compiz running. It's not very consuming. |
| 14:47.52 | erp | during installation, i got an error about 'no route to host' blah |
| 14:48.02 | nsadmin | right, consuming such that other programs suffer as a result |
| 14:48.10 | rubberneck | Is there a way that I can create a button in the panel that will prompt for an argument, an then pass that argument to the buttons command string? |
| 14:48.11 | Mephisto | nsadmin, that's true, |
| 14:48.17 | Amarande | erp: did you select a mirror that is down? try a different one. |
| 14:48.23 | Amarande | I usually use the MIT one personally |
| 14:48.25 | Mephisto | nsadmin, some programs work improperly with compiz. |
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| 14:48.38 | Mephisto | Amarande, he got low speed |
| 14:48.43 | erp | Amarande: i've tried ftp.debian.org/ftp.us.debian.org/mirrors.xmission.com/mirrors.kernel.org |
| 14:48.44 | Mephisto | Amarande, now that it doesn't work |
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| 14:49.02 | nsadmin | those programs would all be x clients? |
| 14:49.15 | Mephisto | erp, just choose "main server" for updates |
| 14:49.22 | Mephisto | erp, that's what i'm doing. Always good. |
| 14:49.35 | nsadmin | or, no program that doesn't work properly with compiz is not an x client? |
| 14:49.45 | Trewas | nsadmin: compiz itself does not really waste cpu, but maybe some specific effects do |
| 14:49.45 | Mephisto | erp, your local mirrors can be faster, but to me it was no difference. |
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| 14:50.06 | erp | i think my network configuration is borked somehow |
| 14:50.31 | Mephisto | nsadmin, actually i had only problem with Wine while running compiz. But you're normally not encouraged to run Wine with compiz on. |
| 14:50.42 | Mephisto | erp, i think so too. |
| 14:51.14 | erp | so..how do i fix it |
| 14:51.21 | erp | better yet, how do i test my speed |
| 14:51.31 | erp | (cli) |
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| 14:51.47 | Mephisto | nsadmin, and also some weird video issue that i can't certainly relate to compiz though... but i definitely had it when i was still using it: when watching a movie screen might suddenly turn black and i had to restart X in order to restore it. And players didn't matter, all showed the same. |
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| 14:51.59 | Mephisto | nsadmin, that could happen after a little while, never at once. |
| 14:52.11 | nsadmin | erp: there's very little info about what the problem really is |
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| 14:52.27 | nsadmin | until there is, it's hard to find a solution |
| 14:52.39 | erp | erm |
| 14:52.51 | Mephisto | erp, it can be anything, bad mirrors, bad wiring, bad router, your providing playing tricks on ya.... your LAN device... your PC in general |
| 14:52.52 | erp | if i knew what the problem was, i wouldn't be here |
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| 14:53.02 | erp | Mephisto: no. |
| 14:53.15 | burek | where can i file a bug report for an easycap driver, which is contained within "linux-headers-3.1.0-1-amd64" package |
| 14:53.17 | erp | my hardware is fine. it's a problem in this configuration |
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| 14:53.37 | erp | my other computers are running at 1.6/mbps, and this one WAS until i installed debian |
| 14:53.39 | Mephisto | erp, you have to tell them what exactly did you do while installing Debian and what did you do after installation. |
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| 14:53.46 | nsadmin | which files specify the configuration that is problematic? |
| 14:53.55 | erp | no files |
| 14:54.04 | Mephisto | nsadmin, none. He's just saying "it works bad". |
| 14:54.15 | nsadmin | !doesn't work |
| 14:54.15 | dpkg | "Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions> and <errors>. |
| 14:54.16 | themill | 1.6 millibits per second is rather slow... |
| 14:54.25 | erp | nsadmin: this isn't my first rodeo, k |
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| 14:54.35 | fasta | If I plugin an USD harddisk, it is detected and mounted automatically, but if I reboot, it is not detected. How can I fake this plugging in of devices? |
| 14:54.41 | erp | i dont know why the speed is so slow, if i did, i wouldn't be here |
| 14:54.48 | erp | what im asking from you is a list of possible culprits |
| 14:54.52 | Mephisto | actually.. even i when firstly booted into Debian had no similar issues to this. |
| 14:54.55 | fasta | Or just have it work like a real system, without silly hacks. |
| 14:54.57 | Mephisto | but i had lotsa other shit. |
| 14:55.05 | nsadmin | erp, that list is infinitely long |
| 14:55.07 | fasta | USB harddisk* |
| 14:55.48 | themill | fasta: do you want it always mounted? (what are you using to automatically mount it?) |
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| 14:56.00 | fasta | themill: yes and fstab. |
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| 14:56.19 | Guest41683 | hi, I am running two 3ware 4-port RAID controllers with a total of 8 attached HDDs. The controllers create a total of four RAID 1 volumes which are combined to a RAID0 using linux md. Problem is: when I start creating disk I/O with dd on /dev/raid10/test1 - which is a LVM2 volumes with /dev/md0 as its only PV - I get a very high CPU load: almost 90% on a single core. The other core is almost unused. A week ago I used FreeBSD 8.2 and got a throughput of |
| 14:56.21 | themill | fasta: fstab won't mount something automatically just because you plugged it in |
| 14:56.35 | Mephisto | themill, it plugs USB's automatically though. |
| 14:56.45 | Mephisto | themill, or CD/DVDs |
| 14:56.47 | nsadmin | I've seen this behavior wayyy many times... you're dropping this on our lap and saying "fix it" while you go swimming or something... show your willingness to participate in finding the problem. as it stands you're actually -blocking- that |
| 14:56.47 | fasta | themill: I said it was getting mounted automatically if I plugged it in. |
| 14:57.01 | Mephisto | themill, though CD/DVD drive is already present in fstab |
| 14:57.03 | themill | fasta: yeah, so what are you using to do that automatic mounting? |
| 14:57.04 | Mephisto | by default |
| 14:57.06 | fasta | themill: I also said that if I rebooted, that it didn't. |
| 14:57.07 | Guest41683 | Mephisto: dont think so - i think this is the gui - gnome or whatever |
| 14:57.26 | Mephisto | Guest41683, hm... i thought so too actually. I guess you're right, i'm using gnome. |
| 14:57.34 | Mephisto | Nautilus |
| 14:57.47 | fasta | themill: I think Nautilus. |
| 14:57.52 | Mephisto | by the way.. i still have a weird issue of reaind some media... |
| 14:57.55 | Guest41683 | yeah probably nautilus |
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| 14:58.23 | fasta | themill: but lsusb also doesn't show the device. |
| 14:58.24 | Mephisto | specifically..... burnt CDs using ISO images on Windows. |
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| 14:58.34 | Mephisto | these cause my system to halt |
| 14:58.35 | Guest41683 | use autofs to auto mount with command line only systems |
| 14:58.39 | Amarande | 1.6 millibits per second ... Carrier pigeon might be faster than that |
| 14:58.46 | themill | fasta: ah.. that's more problematic. |
| 14:58.52 | fasta | themill: the device powers down to save energy. |
| 14:58.59 | Mephisto | maybe it's ISO images... maybe Windows.. dunno, but there's something in them that freeze up system for about a minute |
| 14:59.05 | Mephisto | and then it's all fine and i can browse the CDs |
| 14:59.07 | fasta | themill: but that shouldn't make it completely unavailable. |
| 14:59.13 | Mephisto | has anyone had a similar prob? |
| 14:59.16 | Mephisto | it's only on Gnome. |
| 14:59.54 | themill | fasta: depends on what settings you've given it. If it's powered down then it's powered down. |
| 15:00.11 | fasta | themill: I have not given it any settings. |
| 15:00.27 | fasta | themill: if there are any settings it are defaults. |
| 15:00.36 | themill | I'll let you use your imagination then ... |
| 15:01.02 | fasta | themill: what are you talking about? |
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| 15:01.19 | fasta | themill: how am I supposed to know how a USB device works internally? |
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| 15:01.45 | spm_Draget | Is there a way to reinstall a packge via aptitude without aptitude remember it as a manually installed package? |
| 15:01.51 | themill | fasta: you're the one telling me that it shouldn't be completely unavailable because it's powered down... |
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| 15:02.14 | themill | spm_Draget: aptitude reinstall packagename shouldn't change that setting |
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| 15:03.41 | fasta | themill: don't you think it would be completely retarded to design a device which after it goes into a kind of sleep mode would not be able to wake up again without plugging it in physically? |
| 15:03.59 | themill | yes. And I have seen many such devices. |
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| 15:04.28 | fasta | themill: don't you mean that there are just no drivers for Linux? |
| 15:04.40 | themill | wtf? |
| 15:04.42 | Mephisto | there are, but usually those are proprietary. |
| 15:04.49 | Mephisto | video drivers mainly. |
| 15:04.50 | fasta | themill: i.e. those that send the message 'hi, wake me up'. |
| 15:04.59 | Mephisto | the rest is covered up by the kernel. |
| 15:05.03 | nsadmin | no, he meant he has seen hardware with flaws |
| 15:05.04 | Mephisto | mostly. |
| 15:05.09 | themill | fasta: if it's not on the usb bus, how are you going to send it that message from the driver? |
| 15:05.11 | fasta | Mephisto: we are talking about very specific hardware. |
| 15:05.22 | Mephisto | ok |
| 15:05.37 | fasta | Mephisto: so, there is no need to bring in things which are completely unrelated. |
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| 15:05.51 | fasta | themill: via some proprietary protocol? |
| 15:05.51 | themill | the message could come from the control host, but it can't come from the individual device driver. |
| 15:05.57 | Mephisto | fasta, there's no need in bitching back. |
| 15:06.03 | Mephisto | fasta, just ignore. |
| 15:06.17 | fasta | Mephisto: of course there was a need. |
| 15:06.44 | Mephisto | fasta, ok, you wanna talk? |
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| 15:06.45 | nsadmin | hmm? why would you want to cause a ruckus? :) |
| 15:06.47 | themill | fasta: without knowing more about your specific bit of hardware, I can't tell you much more. You may find that there's an hdparm setting that puts it into a sleep mode that's not quite so asleep that will then help you. |
| 15:06.52 | Mephisto | fasta, you will regret it pretty soon |
| 15:07.07 | themill | Mephisto: drop it, please. |
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| 15:07.12 | Mephisto | themill, ok. |
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| 15:09.45 | nsadmin | fasta, cmon now :) let's try to find out what's going on, and you try too... people are bending backwards to help you and not even asking for a sixer :) be cool and help them help you :) |
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| 15:10.13 | fasta | nsadmin: I am trying to find out the exact device name. |
| 15:10.47 | nsadmin | and this is a usb? |
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| 15:11.28 | rhom | any Idea how to choose between the networks.. (like eth0 and wlan0) for different application, one of the network seems to be ideal when both are active! |
| 15:12.08 | project2501a | so, would it be within the guidelines of the social contract, if i downloaded source packages and modified the installation process to link against some proprietary libraries? i got a batch scheduler that supports application-level checkpointing, but not kernel lever. |
| 15:12.23 | nsadmin | this has been ongoing for a few mins at least, and I've been in the background... so let me just check... first, do you mean node in /dev? or the name of the device as it's presented in lsusb? |
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| 15:15.26 | fasta | nsadmin: I mean the device name like I bought it. |
| 15:15.41 | nsadmin | see if it's in lsusb |
| 15:15.45 | fasta | nsadmin: It is an Hitachi XL Desk |
| 15:15.49 | fasta | nsadmin: it isn't. |
| 15:15.58 | nsadmin | does it even show up? |
| 15:16.13 | fasta | nsadmin: it is if I plug it out and then plug it in. |
| 15:16.21 | fasta | nsadmin: AFAIK, no. |
| 15:17.26 | fasta | nsadmin: there is one Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub |
| 15:17.32 | fasta | nsadmin: it could be that one. |
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| 15:18.02 | nsadmin | hmm. the device you mean is actually a usb hub? |
| 15:18.12 | nsadmin | I must be really confused |
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| 15:19.15 | nsadmin | lsusb will show you also the hubs... all of them... like, ones you buy that are external, and also ones that are just chips inside your computer |
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| 15:20.37 | fasta | nsadmin: no, I don't mean that. I think it is not listed. |
| 15:20.44 | nsadmin | oh ok |
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| 15:20.54 | fasta | nsadmin: but if it is, it must be that root hub thing. |
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| 15:21.15 | nsadmin | ok, I see what you're saying |
| 15:21.29 | nsadmin | so, just to catch me up some more, |
| 15:22.05 | nsadmin | could you say what kind of device this is? I guess you bought this thing to do a partucular job.. what job would that be? :) |
| 15:22.58 | fasta | nsadmin: http://www.hgst.com/external-drives/desktop/hitachi-xl-desk |
| 15:23.09 | nsadmin | thanks :) I'll take a quick look |
| 15:23.49 | nsadmin | aha, got it... |
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| 15:27.24 | nsadmin | ok, could you install pastebinit pls, small but handy :) |
| 15:27.34 | nsadmin | unless you have it already |
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| 15:30.14 | nsadmin | once you do that, dmesg | pastebinit |
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| 15:31.56 | jhutchins_lt | nsadmin: Don't we want a "tail" in there? |
| 15:32.23 | nsadmin | well I'll just scroll... I'm curious to see what else shows up (wll maybe) |
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| 15:33.02 | nsadmin | I was going to say tail -n 20 but that may or may not show enough |
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| 15:33.29 | fasta | nsadmin: http://pastebin.com/5H8enaey |
| 15:33.33 | nsadmin | thanks |
| 15:33.47 | nsadmin | you look at that url too, it has line numbers |
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| 15:34.16 | setner | hi everyone |
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| 15:36.45 | setner | I have just downloaded via jigdo debian testing dvd 1 and used dd to copy the .iso into a 8GB usb stick. When I reboot, I select Graphical Install but then everything freezes. Did I do something wrong? I used this command to copy the .iso into the usb stick: "dd if=/data/Downloads/debian-testing-amd64-DVD-1.iso of=/dev/sdb bs=4M;sync" |
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| 15:36.56 | nsadmin | fasta, I don't see the usb device showing up at all... I expected it near the end |
| 15:37.07 | nsadmin | that's unusual |
| 15:37.20 | fasta | nsadmin: I said I did not unplug it and replug it again. |
| 15:37.37 | lduros | hello, curious, anybody thought of make a deb package out of Mozilla's add-on SDK? https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/developers/builder |
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| 15:37.46 | fasta | nsadmin: if I can fake the 'plug in' event there would be no problem. |
| 15:37.54 | nsadmin | so, last time you booted, the device was plugged in? |
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| 15:38.02 | fasta | nsadmin: yes |
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| 15:38.32 | nsadmin | ok, so maybe I didn't look in the right place, and glad we got the whole thing |
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| 15:41.14 | nsadmin | just checking here... is the drive powered up? |
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| 15:42.06 | fasta | nsadmin: the light says it is. |
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| 15:43.19 | nsadmin | ok cool... I just found the start of the usb stuff in the dmesg, I'm looking at line #397 |
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| 15:46.53 | NotJimCarrey | i need help asap. need to get rndis usb tether working from shell |
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| 15:47.26 | NotJimCarrey | phone recognized when plugged in, need help getting so i can ifup usb0 |
| 15:49.47 | nsadmin | fasta, is your disk /dev/sdc? |
| 15:49.58 | fasta | nsadmin: possibly. |
| 15:50.03 | NotJimCarrey | get "usb0: register 'rndis_host' at usb-0000:00:1d.0-1.2, RNDIS device, aa:99:ca:1b:0f:a0" in /var/log/messages when i turn on usb tether on the phone |
| 15:50.06 | nsadmin | is it partitioned? |
| 15:50.12 | fasta | nsadmin: I cannot think of it being anything else. Yes |
| 15:50.40 | nsadmin | ok, dmesg is showing an sdc but not showing its partitions |
| 15:50.52 | fasta | nsadmin: fdisk -l doesn't do anything either. |
| 15:51.14 | NotJimCarrey | have "auto usb0 NEWLINE iface auto unet dhcp" in /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 15:51.50 | nsadmin | so it's possible that sdc is an unpartitioned device and if your usb drive is partitioned, it may not be sdc |
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| 15:52.26 | nsadmin | and it may not be showing up... I saw earlier in the listing sda and sdb, they seem to be internal drives |
| 15:53.08 | NotJimCarrey | anyone? please, i have 6 systems i have to backup today that are relying on me getting that conenction up, otherwise i would spend more time researching it |
| 15:54.10 | nsadmin | NotJimCarrey, try inet instead of unet |
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| 15:54.20 | NotJimCarrey | k |
| 15:54.42 | nsadmin | also, usb0 may or may not be your ethernet |
| 15:54.52 | NotJimCarrey | doh |
| 15:55.09 | NotJimCarrey | thanks nsadmin |
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| 15:55.14 | NotJimCarrey | was in a rush and fat fingered it |
| 15:55.17 | nsadmin | is it working? |
| 15:55.20 | NotJimCarrey | yeah |
| 15:55.25 | nsadmin | cool :) |
| 15:55.30 | NotJimCarrey | thanks again |
| 15:55.35 | nsadmin | now GIMME that sixer :) |
| 15:55.42 | nsadmin | just kidding, I don't drink :) |
| 15:55.45 | NotJimCarrey | be back on again later (kinda not suppose to be irc on this system) |
| 15:55.46 | NotJimCarrey | lol |
| 15:56.21 | NotJimCarrey | nsadmin: if you did, i'd send you a sixer of local brew |
| 15:56.33 | nsadmin | I would think if you got useful info off of irc, your boss should say WAY TO GO DUDE |
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| 16:00.51 | nsadmin | fasta: hmm. I can't find anything about /dev/sdc |
| 16:01.05 | nsadmin | other than it's attached |
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| 16:12.21 | folivora | Gday, is the kde 4.8 in repos ? |
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| 16:13.15 | TheWarden | Where can I find out what tar, gzip and gunzip return on success/failure? |
| 16:13.27 | themill | folivora: no |
| 16:13.36 | TheWarden | I'm not seeing anything in the man pages for tar or gunzip |
| 16:14.01 | nsadmin | gunzip may be a symlink to gzip |
| 16:14.03 | themill | TheWarden: man gzip certainly covers it |
| 16:14.55 | TheWarden | themill: yes I see that now. Now just to figure out tar |
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| 16:19.32 | nsadmin | TheWarden: no reason for man tar to not cover that... but just in case, try also info tar |
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| 16:23.10 | D-Boy | How to limit concurrent ssh sessions per user (limiting user toto to 2 ssh session at the same time) i added that to /etc/ssh/sshd_config but it has no effect : http://pastebin.com/LpxuiAxw |
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| 16:25.15 | nsadmin | D-Boy, you must restart daemons so they re-read the config |
| 16:25.33 | D-Boy | nsadmin alread did that, the syntax is right ? |
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| 16:25.51 | nsadmin | what line number? |
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| 16:26.05 | nsadmin | (take a look at your url) |
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| 16:27.17 | setner | hi everyone |
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| 16:29.44 | nsadmin | D-Boy, still waiting for you to also have the url you posted on your browser and tell me the number of the line you altered... |
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| 16:31.52 | TheWarden | nsadmin: well that maybe true but thus far I've read through the Tar man pages and do info tar as well and I don't see any mention of what is returned on success or failture. |
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| 16:32.51 | SerajewelKS | can i get a suggestion for an alternative to finch? i like the idea of finch, but it has bizarre issues redrawing sometimes, and it likes to leak memory. |
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| 16:37.44 | setner | I'm trying to install debian testing on my newest work desktop. debian freezes after I choose "Graphical Install" so I choose "Install" and it no longer freezes. But now it doesn't detect my 2 WD Caviar Blue 500GB disks... help please |
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| 16:38.20 | jhutchins_lt | TheWarden: So throw together a script that displays the return value and run it. |
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| 16:38.47 | TheWarden | jhutchins_lt: I'm looking into doing that shortly. Thanks. |
| 16:39.12 | jhutchins_lt | I had one of those I kept handy back in the DOS shell days. |
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| 16:40.58 | TheWarden | Ahh the DOS days :) |
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| 16:41.49 | jhutchins_lt | I think the DOS 3.5 manual was possibly the last good manual. |
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| 16:43.18 | dharrigan | Hi! I'm trying to up the ulimit for a user to unlimited. I've set the value in limits.conf, but when the user logs in, the (nofile) limit stays at 1024. I'm at a loss... |
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| 16:43.36 | morphje | i've spend some hours now on bonding and bridges. Basicly what i want/wanted is a redundant setup with 2 interfaces connected to 2 switches. Me thinking, oh wait, i've read about stp in linux, it's called a bridge. But then i stubled onto http://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration and there it's specfied a bond should be used with mode=active-backup. Well that was the start of 2-3 hours of googling between bonds and bridges. |
| 16:43.57 | morphje | as i understand a bond uses one (virtual) mac adress, the bridge not |
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| 16:44.16 | morphje | is that the only difference ? |
| 16:44.27 | jhutchins_lt | http://tldp.org/LDP/sag/html/index.html |
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| 16:44.55 | Justin | morphje: no. they are not the same thing at all |
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| 16:45.06 | Justin | morphje: a bond in active/backup mode will do what you want |
| 16:45.32 | morphje | okay, but would the usecase for a bridge be |
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| 16:45.47 | Justin | morphje: bridging |
| 16:45.48 | morphje | because that's what i'm currently questioning ;) |
| 16:46.10 | morphje | so what's the use of stp in a bridge ? |
| 16:46.19 | Justin | morphje: not taking down your entire network |
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| 16:47.41 | morphje | but isn't what i'm after? basicly stp prevents broadcast storms, which is what i want, isn't it? |
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| 16:48.55 | D-Boy | nsadmin : i was disconnected so i didn't know if you answered my request ^^' |
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| 16:49.25 | Marezz | Im doing debian netinstall which is better wicd or network manager? |
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| 16:49.58 | setner | can someone tell me what is the driver to use for the Western Digital Caviar Blue 500 GB SATA hard drive? |
| 16:50.16 | setner | debian installer can't detect it... |
| 16:50.25 | Justin | morphje: no, stp prevents loops. broadcast storms are a symptom of loops |
| 16:50.42 | Justin | setner: hard drives do not have drivers |
| 16:50.45 | morphje | you are right :) |
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| 16:51.15 | Marezz | guys whats the difference between kde-core and kde? doing netinstall |
| 16:51.16 | Justin | morphje: if you are using the bond stuff in active/backup mode, there is no possibility of a loop because it will never pass traffic from one port to the other |
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| 16:51.48 | themill | dpkg: tell Marezz about install kde |
| 16:52.14 | morphje | justin: ahhhhh, offcourse, now it makes sense. one dollar(euro) finally hit the ground. Was thinking way too difficult |
| 16:52.28 | morphje | one dollar bill that is :) |
| 16:52.41 | Justin | morphje: the best way if you can do it is to get switches that you can stack, then you can do active/active bonding |
| 16:52.43 | setner | Justin: I am at the "Detect disks" screen on the debian installer and it tells me "No disk drive was detected. If you know the name of the driver needed by your disk driver, you can select it from the list." and it gives me a list of drivers. Which one I select? |
| 16:53.04 | Justin | setner: disks do not have drivers. sata/scsi controllers have drivers. |
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| 16:53.18 | morphje | Justin: no cannot do stack. are 2 switches (1gbit, backup being 100mbit) 2 brands |
| 16:53.19 | setner | Justin: whatever. I just need to install debian |
| 16:53.25 | morphje | yes it's a cheapo ssetu[ |
| 16:53.38 | morphje | anyway, gonna cook. Thanks for all the help |
| 16:53.44 | dschuett | none of my newly installed applications are getting added under the applications menu |
| 16:53.46 | Justin | setner: what sata/scsi controller do you have? |
| 16:53.47 | dschuett | any ideas? |
| 16:54.08 | Justin | oh, I need to get lunch |
| 16:54.11 | Marezz | themill, Im a bit confused now on debian wiki says kde-core and kde (full), is kde-core same as kde-standard? |
| 16:54.14 | setner | Justin: how can I know that? |
| 16:54.22 | setner | I'm not an expert |
| 16:54.22 | Justin | setner: you need to figure out what is up with your controllers, the drives are irrelevant |
| 16:54.29 | Justin | setner: does the installer have lspci? |
| 16:54.30 | setner | Justin: ok |
| 16:54.40 | Justin | http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ can help |
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| 16:54.54 | setner | Justin: let me see if I can get to a shell |
| 16:54.55 | Justin | you possibly need a installer disk with a newer kernel(easy to get) |
| 16:55.01 | Justin | setner: alt-f2/3/4 |
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| 16:55.27 | setner | Justin: Ctrl-Alt-F3 |
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| 16:55.32 | setner | I have lspco |
| 16:55.36 | setner | lspci, sorry |
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| 16:55.57 | Justin | g2g, I'm sure you'll figure it out :) |
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| 16:56.39 | setner | Justin: SATA Controller: Intel Corporation Couger Point 6 port SATA AHCI Controller (rev 05) |
| 16:56.57 | themill | Marezz: the "kde" package installs "kde-full" and is only there to make upgrades from lenny easier |
| 16:56.58 | setner | *Cougar |
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| 16:58.23 | kthakore | hI guys. I recently made a scrIpt to modIfy my asus keyboard backlIght. I gave my non root user sudo nopasswd access. I can now run It In the command lIne. but bIndIng It to keys Is not trIggerIng the scrIpts. |
| 16:59.16 | b44 | Why it can be that my NAS doesn't use gigabit-lan although its available? |
| 17:00.20 | b44 | http://pastebin.com/xv6fZQiy |
| 17:00.27 | setner | Justin: the driver listed on that page is ahci, but is not listed on the debian "Detect disks" screen :P |
| 17:01.09 | jordanm | b44: according to that paste, it is using gigabit |
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| 17:01.40 | b44 | jordanm: okay, but the scp speed is 8-9 mb/s |
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| 17:02.14 | jordanm | b44: I assume you mean MB/s. are both ends on gigabit? |
| 17:02.35 | b44 | jordanm: yes |
| 17:03.34 | jordanm | scp does add overhead, but not that much. unless your nas is capped on CPU for the encryption or something |
| 17:03.43 | jordanm | or your switch is junk |
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| 17:04.43 | jordanm | b44: are you certain the bottleneck is network, and not CPU or drive performance on either end? |
| 17:05.53 | dschuett | none of my newly installed applications are getting added under the applications menu... even after reboot |
| 17:06.11 | dschuett | anyone have any ideas why this would be happening ^^ |
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| 17:06.43 | b44 | jordanm: my switch has 4 gigabit slots :/ |
| 17:06.48 | b44 | and no encryption or sth |
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| 17:06.58 | b44 | just scp' ing a large file |
| 17:07.35 | jordanm | b44: scp uses encryption |
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| 17:28.23 | b44 | What would you recommend to use for transfering large files (non-encryped) between nodes connected with Gigabit-lan ? |
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| 17:30.15 | Spec | b44: rsync |
| 17:30.36 | nsadmin | b44, one of many programs that transfer files |
| 17:30.56 | nkuttler | b44: or rsync over ssh if security is relevant |
| 17:31.00 | nsadmin | if you use one that recommends lipstick shades, that probably won't work |
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| 17:32.43 | nsadmin | seriously... as you seek a recommendation, what are you specifically looking for? |
| 17:32.59 | nsadmin | and why? |
| 17:33.51 | nsadmin | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:34.30 | nsadmin | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:34.52 | b44 | nsadmin: Spec: nkuttler: I just want to backup data, and encryption is not relevant, but performance is very important |
| 17:35.07 | Spec | b44: rsync. |
| 17:35.15 | nkuttler | b44: rsync is not a backup though |
| 17:35.22 | Spec | what? |
| 17:35.31 | somiaj | rdiff-backup is nice, but it is kinda slow |
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| 17:35.48 | nkuttler | b44: i use backuppc for backups which just uses rsync |
| 17:35.58 | nsadmin | could you say more about the whole thing you're looking to implement? |
| 17:36.09 | somiaj | Spec: a backup you need to be able to recover from any point in time of the backup. rsync is a copy. But what if you needed to recover data from an automatic backup (rsync) from a week ago? |
| 17:36.17 | Spec | ... |
| 17:36.27 | nkuttler | right, copy != backup |
| 17:36.27 | Spec | A backup of a file does not dictate you can recover that file from any point in time :p |
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| 17:36.38 | b44 | nkuttler: e.g. I want to exchange data with other LAN-nodes, encryption is irrelevant as I said |
| 17:36.45 | somiaj | which is why a mirror raid is not a backup. |
| 17:36.47 | Spec | lawl ^ |
| 17:37.03 | Spec | a mirror raid is not a backup :p, rsyncing a mirror'd raid to a mirror'd raid is a point in time backup |
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| 17:37.46 | somiaj | seems like a terrible backup if you cannot recover the data at a point in time. A real backup protects against user error such as deleting or rewriting an important file. Regular rsyncs won't be able to recover from that. |
| 17:37.58 | Spec | that depends on your desired window |
| 17:38.00 | b44 | Spec: HTTP transfer does copy with 40mb/s, how to analyse speed of rsync ? |
| 17:38.13 | Spec | b44: run it and see how long it takes? |
| 17:38.14 | nkuttler | Spec: a copy is the most worthless 'backup' you can have |
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| 17:38.29 | Spec | nkuttler: a copy at the exact moment it was taken is the best backup you can have :p |
| 17:38.37 | Spec | and degrades over time from that point on :p |
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| 17:39.14 | Spec | but, he never mentioned backup afaik...just moving large files across a network, which rsync is great at. |
| 17:39.15 | nsadmin | okok, let's just say that a "backup" is only useful if you can restore it |
| 17:39.22 | nkuttler | Spec: if you want to read a little about what a proper backup is try taobackup.com |
| 17:39.30 | Spec | nkuttler: I know a bit about "proper" backups :) |
| 17:39.55 | nkuttler | Spec: that's just like your opinion man |
| 17:40.05 | Spec | haha |
| 17:40.13 | Spec | nkuttler: go drink a white russian |
| 17:40.30 | Spec | b44: okay, here's the answer you're looking for: You're gonna wanna use a combination of netcat and tar. |
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| 17:40.52 | Spec | throw in gz if cpu is excess and bandwidth is limited |
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| 17:42.46 | NASDAQEnema | why is kde telling me to reboot |
| 17:43.00 | NASDAQEnema | who is putting that shit in there |
| 17:43.24 | nkuttler | NASDAQEnema: what did you before it gave you that message? |
| 17:43.33 | somiaj | NASDAQEnema: what did you do? If kde is upgraded you will need to restart 'kde', but they do want to look like windows some times. |
| 17:43.52 | NASDAQEnema | i just have a thing thing |
| 17:44.04 | NASDAQEnema | that checks for updates |
| 17:44.23 | somiaj | what thing? |
| 17:44.23 | NASDAQEnema | why do I need to restart kde even? |
| 17:44.27 | themill | and when an update requires a reboot, it tells you to do so. Who'd have thought a utility could be installed and it would work |
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| 17:44.39 | nkuttler | NASDAQEnema: who knows what your thing thing does.. |
| 17:44.48 | nsadmin | NASDAQEnema, if you don't like it run something else |
| 17:45.02 | somiaj | NASDAQEnema: what is the name of this thing? Is it synamptic or some debian package manager or are you getting updates from kde directally? |
| 17:45.10 | themill | assumes update-notifier-kde |
| 17:45.24 | NASDAQEnema | why would an update not involving kernel upgrade require reboot |
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| 17:45.43 | themill | NASDAQEnema: if you're just done an update, then it probably did include a kernel upgrade. |
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| 17:45.45 | nsadmin | that;s a good question... |
| 17:45.53 | somiaj | NASDAQEnema: if parts of kde are upgraded, you will need to restart kde to load the new program into memeory (else you are still running the old version from memory which could be different from the data on the disk and can cause issues if you let it run) |
| 17:45.55 | Jayro | Hello, I have compositing enabled in my xorg.conf, however when I run xcompmgr it tells me i have no compositing extension! Can anyone help me out? |
| 17:46.10 | NASDAQEnema | services can be restarted and drivers reloaded (most anyway) |
| 17:46.22 | NASDAQEnema | somiaj: sure |
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| 17:46.42 | NASDAQEnema | but I usually don't need instant use of new stuff lol |
| 17:46.46 | somiaj | NASDAQEnema: as for why the tool says reboot, maybe it finds the people who use it prefer to just reboot over restarting services. |
| 17:46.54 | nsadmin | NASDAQEnema, before we get too far along this road, are you sure a kernel image was not installed? |
| 17:47.01 | NASDAQEnema | nope |
| 17:47.06 | NASDAQEnema | no new kernel |
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| 17:47.19 | themill | afaict, update-notifier-kde only tells you to reboot on installation of new kernel |
| 17:47.42 | NASDAQEnema | in fact i only update the listt no upgrades |
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| 17:48.04 | NASDAQEnema | i thin it's got the trigger too early |
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| 17:48.39 | adminewb | someone have any exposure to silverlight or moonlight on debian? |
| 17:48.41 | nsadmin | maybe the notification is relative to an update you made before |
| 17:49.44 | somiaj | adminewb: do you have an actual question. My exposure is silverlight dosen't work for obvious reasons and as for moonlight it dosn't contain the drm so you can use it on most silverlight sites that have drm requirements (such as netflix) |
| 17:49.58 | somiaj | s/you can/you can't/ |
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| 17:50.14 | kthakore | Also who do I hug the crap out for stabalizing cpu wake ups on laptops? My laptop no longer heats the crap up, burning my left hand. |
| 17:50.30 | adminewb | somiaj, I'm hoping drm doesn't matter: just trying to stream some free movies, hulu.com is the carrier I believe |
| 17:50.33 | kthakore | <--- new Debian 6.0 lover |
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| 17:50.59 | somiaj | adminewb: hulu.com just uses adobe flash (and they do have some drm for their rights but get it though flash) |
| 17:51.26 | somiaj | kthakore: I'd say the lkml for that, but I'm sure people who work on it are parts of kernel teams for the major distros |
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| 17:52.42 | somiaj | adminewb: for debian install flashplugin-nonfree from 'contrib' and that should be enough to run hulu in either your browser (or if you download the huludesktop deb from their site) |
| 17:52.59 | zW | Hi. I have 3 debian servers. I need a shared volume read/write accross these servers |
| 17:53.18 | adminewb | somiaj ok this time I'll try stuff directly at hulu.com and see if it's using flash; comcast seems to want silverlight |
| 17:53.27 | adminewb | they say "powered by hulu" or some such |
| 17:53.36 | zW | Is there somekind of network clustered fs that I can use without the need to have a shared block device ? |
| 17:53.44 | somiaj | zW: look into nfs (if it is all debian/linux servers). You can use samba if you need to communicate to windows machines. |
| 17:54.01 | adminewb | anyway, silverlight or moonlight don't seem able to play media either through iceweasel or chrome |
| 17:54.03 | jhutchins | zW: Your alternatives are NFS or CIFS/SMB. |
| 17:54.06 | jordanm | windows should be able to handle NFS too |
| 17:54.21 | somiaj | zW: nfs will require you have one server acting as the master server to the others |
| 17:54.29 | valdyn | !glusterfs |
| 17:54.39 | zW | somiaj: I know, what about DRBD with gfs on it ? |
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| 17:55.56 | kthakore | somiaj: ubuntu has the same kernel, but still manages to make my laptop a portable furnace. So I blame someone on the Debian side :) |
| 17:55.59 | jhutchins | Interesting. |
| 17:56.05 | jhutchins | !gfs |
| 17:56.06 | dpkg | [gfs] Global File System (GFS), allowing multiple Linux machines to share storage devices over a network. http://www.redhat.com/gfs/ http://sources.redhat.com/cluster/gfs/ #linux-cluster on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 17:56.25 | somiaj | kthakore: I just blame gnome/unity on that....:D |
| 17:56.43 | kthakore | somiaj: I thought so too. So I used older stable gnome. Nope |
| 17:56.45 | jhutchins | Then again it could just be different defaults on cpufreqd |
| 17:56.54 | kthakore | Still burning hot furnace |
| 17:56.58 | nsadmin | kthakore, what version string does that kernel have? if it's not one that debian distributes it's -not- the same |
| 17:57.28 | kthakore | nsadmin: really? hmm ... well I don't have the system anymore ( I have debian 6.0.3 now I think ) |
| 17:57.32 | somiaj | kthakore: yea I'm mostly a desktop user (just got my first laptop) and am happy that the linux kernel finally stoped crashing on resume due to my crapy realtek wireless card. |
| 17:58.00 | kthakore | ah realtek ... is that fixed? I want to get a thinkpad x120e |
| 17:58.22 | somiaj | have been able to resume just fine after switching the the 3.1 kernel |
| 17:58.45 | somiaj | but any kernel before that even networkmanager automatic refreshing would crash my system |
| 17:59.03 | nsadmin | kthakore, therefore you no longer have the information of whether it's the same... having said that, it's easy enough to find the list of kernels for each |
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| 17:59.18 | kthakore | somiaj: I booted into x120e with a liveusb (it doesn't have a cd drive) for debian 6.0. I couldn't get wireless. |
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| 17:59.41 | nsadmin | kthakore, one thing ubuntu-distributed and debian-distributed kernels have in common, is that in /boot is installed the kernel source config files |
| 17:59.44 | kthakore | nsadmin: true. I only have ancedotal evidence. Irregardless I am grateful. |
| 17:59.45 | carlos-riper | hola |
| 18:00.13 | carlos-riper | alguien me puede ayudar, porfavor |
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| 18:00.23 | kthakore | nsadmin: I was on the LTS, and had constant updates for the kernel. |
| 18:00.34 | somiaj | kthakore: that is probably due to firmware in the non-free repos that isn't default on the live systems |
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| 18:00.43 | somiaj | kthakore: you would hvae to install the package 'firmware-realtek |
| 18:00.52 | somiaj | kthakore: from non-free and it would have most likely worked. |
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| 18:00.57 | kthakore | hmm can I roll a liveusb with that? |
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| 18:00.59 | Matiasu | Hello |
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| 18:01.14 | kthakore | I wanna test the x120e before I buy it |
| 18:01.17 | somiaj | kthakore: you can make your own liveusb, but it isn't an easy task, check live.debian.net |
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| 18:01.34 | somiaj | kthakore: not only do they contain 4 major desktop images, they have tools to make your own |
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| 18:01.47 | kthakore | somiaj: thanks! |
| 18:01.55 | Matiasu | I'm trying to install and application but it says it wasn't allowed to access to the keychain. Debian didn't ask me to allow it so of course it doesn't have access. is there anything I can do? |
| 18:02.02 | Matiasu | an* |
| 18:02.09 | somiaj | kthakore: the easiest way is to just have a copy of the firmware .deb's on a thumb drive and just install them inside the live system, reload the wirless module and get up and running (though there isn't any presistance to this, have to do it each boot) |
| 18:02.09 | Justin | setner: ahci is built into the kernel, it's not something you can load separately |
| 18:02.30 | valdyn | actually, ahci is a module, not built in |
| 18:02.40 | somiaj | Matiasu: are you running debian testing by chance? |
| 18:02.41 | kthakore | somiaj: that is a good idea. :D |
| 18:02.43 | Justin | setner: you can check the bios, that might have ide compatibility mode settings that will make it work |
| 18:02.47 | Matiasu | somiaj, yep |
| 18:02.50 | Matiasu | why? |
| 18:03.01 | somiaj | Matiasu: check the bts, the gnome-keyring issues are known |
| 18:03.09 | Matiasu | ahm, I see |
| 18:03.11 | Matiasu | thank you |
| 18:03.14 | somiaj | Matiasu: also as a testing user you whould have already known the first place you goto is the BTS for bugs |
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| 18:03.51 | nsadmin | is this documented at www.debian.org? if so, please cite the page |
| 18:04.08 | kthakore | somiaj: it would be insmod --autoclean realtek ? |
| 18:04.17 | carlos-riper | Hello, friends. I have a problem I can help. I have installed Debian mini. |
| 18:04.18 | carlos-riper | 1) How I can install E17. |
| 18:04.19 | valdyn | !insmod |
| 18:04.19 | dpkg | Sorry, that command doesn't exist. Surely you meant "modprobe"? modprobe also loads dependencies, insmod only loads what you tell it to load. NEVER attempt to use insmod under Linux 2.6. Use modprobe. Did we mention "modprobe" yet? Ask me about <modprobe>. |
| 18:04.29 | somiaj | kthakore: I would rmmod foo && modprove foo |
| 18:04.35 | kthakore | okie |
| 18:04.44 | kthakore | somiaj: thank you kind sir! |
| 18:04.44 | somiaj | kthakore: depending on the actual realtek card the module name can very, 'lsmod' to look up module anmes |
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| 18:04.52 | kthakore | okie |
| 18:04.58 | kthakore | commiting to memory |
| 18:05.04 | somiaj | kthakore: i.e. there are things like r8192 r8192ce, r8188, etc module names |
| 18:05.10 | kthakore | ah I see |
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| 18:05.40 | kthakore | somiaj: just to clarify you meant modprobe as dkpg mentioned right? not modprove ? |
| 18:05.51 | somiaj | kthakore: one thing I found nice is if you download the 'usb-hdd' images, they actuall make a partition table and you can make a partition from the extra space on your usb drive to store firmware packages and the likes |
| 18:06.03 | somiaj | kthakore: yes modprobe, a typo here on my end |
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| 18:06.24 | somiaj | kthakore: though I am unsure if the usb-hdd drives are as universial (I think less systems bios can boot from an hdd image vs the iso-hybrid images) |
| 18:06.25 | kthakore | somiaj: thats cool! |
| 18:06.34 | asarch | What is the name of the "05:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 3945ABG [Golan] Network Connection (rev 02)" wireless card firmware for Debian testing? |
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| 18:07.05 | valdyn | firmware-iwlwifi |
| 18:07.09 | somiaj | asarch: search the debian wiki for Intel 3945ABG |
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| 18:07.45 | asarch | Can I use the same package (from stable) in testing? |
| 18:07.57 | valdyn | asarch: probably |
| 18:08.10 | ratatata | kb Guest99180 |
| 18:08.11 | somiaj | asarch: lots of packages have a >= depends, so in most cases yes, but this is illadvised. |
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| 18:08.27 | asarch | Thank you guys |
| 18:08.31 | asarch | Thank you very much :-) |
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| 18:08.57 | ratatata | nu |
| 18:09.01 | carlos-riper | Hello, friends. I have a problem I can help. I have installed Debian mini. 1) How I can install E1 |
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| 18:09.13 | Justin | carlos-riper: E1? |
| 18:10.20 | nsadmin | what's debian mini? what's e1? |
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| 18:10.58 | asarch | One last question: Every time you perform a new installation, there is a change to select your new environment packages (Graphical desktop environment, Web server, Print server, etc). How can select one of those sets after installation? |
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| 18:11.34 | somiaj | asarch: the program that does that is called tasksel |
| 18:11.50 | asarch | Thank you somiaj |
| 18:11.50 | somiaj | asarch: there are even additional tasks you can install before you run that (that aren't installed by default, apt-cache search task) |
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| 18:12.11 | pppoe_dude | hello |
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| 18:14.13 | pppoe_dude | i am having a little trouble setting up dhcp and internet sharing on a computer |
| 18:14.42 | morphje | and your troubles are ? |
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| 18:15.05 | morphje | because setting up dhcp is something different then internet sharing |
| 18:15.20 | pppoe_dude | well, i am following all the configuration instructions, but dhcpd still fails to start |
| 18:15.37 | morphje | what have you tried, what are the errors? (reverse those two) |
| 18:15.41 | pppoe_dude | morphje, yes that i am aware of, however my first step was to set up dhcp before i set up nat |
| 18:16.00 | morphje | so is it dhcp or dhcpd ? |
| 18:16.09 | pppoe_dude | isc-dhcp-server |
| 18:16.20 | NapHtaKeRoSene | hi |
| 18:16.49 | bfg-xfce4-explos | hello, i'm having trouble with xfce. suddenly i can't alt-tab, i have no way to resize either and window focus works differently than how i set it up |
| 18:16.51 | pppoe_dude | well i tried installing firestarter to make it easier for me to share my internet |
| 18:16.59 | NapHtaKeRoSene | who would like a random function in kernel that does raw >3GB/s random data generation rate? |
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| 18:17.37 | pppoe_dude | but dhcpd still fails to start, and syslog says: not configured to listen on any interfaces |
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| 18:17.58 | bfg-xfce4-explos | (this is after a restart. before i was getting a bit of trouble with alt+f2 command to run programs too, since xfce started undertsanding the alt f2 combination as something Xwindowresizewhatnot +f2 |
| 18:18.00 | pppoe_dude | and no subnet declaration for eth0 - even though i added the proper line in the config files |
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| 18:19.50 | Justin | pppoe_dude: you are better off with dnsmasq |
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| 18:23.13 | reber | hi. I'm looking for a good and **fast** usb scanner (eventually a3 one) debian compatible. Any advices ? |
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| 18:25.18 | burhan | how can I query package versions in unstable? |
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| 18:25.39 | Justin | burhan: packages.debian.org |
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| 18:26.19 | pppoe_dude | Justin, ok -- is that easier to configure? |
| 18:26.29 | Justin | pppoe_dude: yes, much easier |
| 18:26.32 | morphje | pppoe_dude: have you see this page? http://serverfault.com/questions/75702/ubuntu-dhcp-server-not-configured-to-listen-on-any-interfaces |
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| 18:28.06 | pppoe_dude | morphje, i suspected that this is an issue with network manager. |
| 18:28.14 | pppoe_dude | i should probably ditch it |
| 18:28.29 | morphje | pppoe_dude, and have you tried restarting the dhcpd service like i suggested ? |
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| 18:28.46 | panic_at_school | hi i need some tips :| |
| 18:28.54 | panic_at_school | i wanna install debian on my laptop |
| 18:29.01 | morphje | take a valium and stop panicing ? |
| 18:29.05 | morphje | :) |
| 18:29.31 | burhan | is it possible to upgrade from squeeze > wheezy? |
| 18:29.34 | panic_at_school | but laptiop turns off in a half of installaition process |
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| 18:29.44 | panic_at_school | cuz of temperature |
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| 18:30.19 | cyril__ | If it stops because of high temperature, well it's not Debian related |
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| 18:30.24 | kevlarman | panic_at_school: sounds like you need a screwdriver and a can of compressed air |
| 18:30.30 | cyril__ | Open the laptop and clean the dust/fans inside |
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| 18:30.47 | panic_at_school | no |
| 18:30.51 | panic_at_school | this laptop is broken |
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| 18:31.16 | panic_at_school | extracting tars is a problem for it :D |
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| 18:31.47 | cyril__ | panic_at_school: I'd say it's not "broken" yet. But if you keep on overheating it, it will be soon. |
| 18:31.50 | morphje | oh reminds me of a computer owned by a friend of mine, totally filled up with dust and was still able to run 2 hours of quake 3 :D true miracle considering i was still couching up dust the day after |
| 18:31.52 | kevlarman | panic_at_school: plan b: pull out the hard drive, use a different box to install, put it back |
| 18:32.50 | pppoe_dude | morphje, yes i have |
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| 18:33.08 | cyril__ | kevlarman: Sure, good idea :p But he will run into the same problem whenever the system uses a bit of CPU for some time :) |
| 18:33.15 | pppoe_dude | i'm gonna try switching to without network-manager see if that helps |
| 18:33.30 | panic_at_school | damn |
| 18:33.35 | cyril__ | panic_at_school: Just open the laptop and remove the dust inside. |
| 18:33.44 | Matiasu | somiaj, I wonder why I have problems with gnome-keyring if I use KDE! by the way, I use testing because packages in stable are insanely old, that's it |
| 18:33.47 | kevlarman | cyril__: it's far harder to get cpufreq powersave during the install process than it is after |
| 18:33.47 | panic_at_school | i can't use slitaz on it cuz network card is not works under slitaz |
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| 18:34.18 | webad_13 | trying to set up bitlbee with skype on debian sid - could anyone provide assitance or links as to how this should be set up. I look it up and now I am all over the place getting error: setting `server` does not exist when I issue "account skype server localhost" |
| 18:34.29 | kevlarman | and seriously, can of compressed air can do magic, always try the simple solutions first |
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| 18:34.36 | somiaj | Matiasu: then exepect things to break and to have to fix them. Stable is not that outdated and for the most part you only need a few new things so learn about backports. |
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| 18:34.59 | panic_at_school | i don't know how open it :D |
| 18:35.04 | webad_13 | I did not compile bitlee, but took the binary |
| 18:35.06 | panic_at_school | i have never used laptop |
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| 18:37.53 | Partempt | Is anyone here familiar with the e1000e gigabit ethernet driver for Intel chips? |
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| 18:40.33 | GNU\colossus | Partempt, I've been using it since it was introduced. what is there to be familiar with? |
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| 18:42.00 | Partempt | I'm having a problem I think is related to it. If I'm connected to a 10/100 switch I get a lot of lag when ssh or telnet into the router |
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| 18:42.21 | nvictor | hey all |
| 18:42.22 | morphje | rofl, well now i know that the e1000 developers broke linus' machine |
| 18:42.22 | Partempt | Te lag is inconsistent from 0 to 1 sec |
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| 18:42.35 | nvictor | so a crontab entry of * 0 0 0 0 means every minute right? |
| 18:43.09 | Partempt | it happens with ssh or telnet & 2 different 10/100 switches |
| 18:43.36 | Partempt | But no problem with a gig switch |
| 18:43.59 | bbd | nvictor: 5 stars means every minute |
| 18:44.08 | Partempt | This is a thinkpad t60 & 82573l controller |
| 18:44.11 | cyril__ | morphje: really? :) |
| 18:44.41 | morphje | cyril__, well my first google search returned this page |
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| 18:44.50 | morphje | http://lwn.net/Articles/278016/ |
| 18:45.30 | cyril__ | morphje: yeah I've just come across it ; reading it now |
| 18:45.49 | beardy | nvictor: What bbd said. Your line means every minute in the 0th hour (midnight) on invalid dates in invalid months, every Sunday. :) |
| 18:45.55 | morphje | rather little fun page to read ;) only shows that all developers are, at the end, still human |
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| 18:46.57 | morphje | Partempt, what if you force the nic into 100mbit ? |
| 18:47.08 | nvictor | bbd: ok thanks :) |
| 18:47.21 | morphje | i've seen such issues before, more related to the quality of cables and/or switches used |
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| 18:48.05 | Partempt | I haven't tried connecting to the gig switch & manually shifting down the port speed to 100 - that's a good idea |
| 18:48.23 | morphje | well what about connecting to 100mbit switch and then forcing it to 100 |
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| 18:48.56 | nvictor | hey bbd, it's actually 0 * * * * ->>> means every minute? |
| 18:49.02 | tomboy_ | Partempt: Losing nine-tenths of your packets? |
| 18:50.01 | beardy | nvictor: No, that means minute 0, the first minute, only, of every hour, all the time. |
| 18:50.08 | burhan | are there official torrents for debian releases? |
| 18:50.10 | beardy | nvictor: man 5 crontab |
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| 18:50.18 | burhan | I can't find a jigdo client for mac |
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| 18:50.56 | bbd | nvictor: it means every hour (at 00 minute) |
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| 18:51.03 | beardy | burhan: Yes there is. debian.org "Get Debian", I'm sure you'll find them. |
| 18:51.07 | morphje | burhan, have you tried googling? |
| 18:51.12 | Partempt | Everything works fine with ifconfig reporting no lost packets & no visible symptoms except the inconsistent lag when ssh into the router |
| 18:51.26 | burhan | I don't see them here: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 18:51.48 | morphje | http://www.google.nl/search?q=debian+torrent |
| 18:52.12 | beardy | burhan: http://www.debian.org/CD/torrent-cd/ |
| 18:52.18 | nvictor | bbd, i see |
| 18:52.25 | nvictor | nvictor: thanks |
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| 18:53.15 | burhan | thanks |
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| 18:54.03 | burhan | am I not seeing it, but that page doesn't have any debian-testing torrents |
| 18:54.06 | burhan | ? |
| 18:54.30 | beardy | burhan: testing is not a release |
| 18:54.52 | burhan | ah |
| 18:55.25 | burhan | can I upgrade from squeeze to testing? |
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| 18:56.23 | delvalle26 | burhan: yes |
| 18:56.29 | beardy | burhan: Yes you can. If you are planning to do that though, download and use a stable netinstaller image, as you'll be downloading packages anyway. |
| 18:56.30 | delvalle26 | I did it a couple of week ago |
| 18:56.38 | delvalle26 | hmm I did it directly just fine... |
| 18:56.53 | delvalle26 | frankly the differences between testing and unstable are far less than going from stable... |
| 18:56.59 | beardy | burhan: Pointless to download a whole dvd/cd-set and not use it. |
| 18:57.05 | burhan | beardy: yeah I'm doing that now but I have absolutely horrid connection (39.7 KB/sec - 3 hours left) :/ |
| 18:57.13 | burhan | this is for the net installer. |
| 18:57.36 | delvalle26 | if the testing version of the net installer works you'll be fine |
| 18:57.36 | kevlarman | burhan: business card image is 50mb |
| 18:57.38 | burhan | delvalle26: I need some updated packages unfortunately |
| 18:57.52 | beardy | burhan: You can use torrents to download packages, in the package system though, if that would make things better for you. |
| 18:58.05 | morphje | YAY, power restored at work, only 4 hours outage. |
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| 18:58.09 | delvalle26 | with that kind of connection speed, better of just downloading in my opionion |
| 18:58.18 | beardy | I think so too. |
| 18:58.21 | burhan | ah ... its downloading from some weird mirror. |
| 18:58.28 | kevlarman | speaking of installers |
| 18:58.53 | kevlarman | why was it that some mirrors let me grab versions newer than stable, but others didn't with the businesscard image? |
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| 18:59.37 | beardy | Either they choose not to mirror those directories, or they are slow in updating. |
| 18:59.57 | somiaj | kevlarman: different mirrors may or may not mirror all debain repos and only have the stable release mirrored. Though are you trying to install testing/unstable from this businesscard image? |
| 19:00.35 | kevlarman | somiaj: they let me upgrade to sid after i already had it installed though |
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| 19:00.52 | kevlarman | it was just really annoying replacing pretty much every single package i downloaded |
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| 19:02.24 | delvalle26 | kevlarman: there is no way around that though :( |
| 19:02.37 | delvalle26 | sid's stuff is always going to be a bit newer |
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| 19:02.55 | somiaj | kevlarman: I perfer to just install a base system, upgrade then install additional packages |
| 19:03.02 | delvalle26 | I'm actually planning to do the same thing again on netbook, however the ethernet port wasn't recognized... |
| 19:03.08 | kevlarman | delvalle26: yeah, but why can't i install testing/sid from the start? |
| 19:03.09 | somiaj | kevlarman: updating the base system is only a few hundered megs |
| 19:03.18 | delvalle26 | you can install testing from the start |
| 19:03.27 | kevlarman | delvalle26: the installer wouldn't let me |
| 19:03.41 | delvalle26 | you have to get the testing installer |
| 19:03.44 | kevlarman | except one mirror that did that i couldn't find again |
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| 19:03.55 | kevlarman | (and that one gave me the option of sid too) |
| 19:04.07 | kevlarman | delvalle26: all the testing images are full cds |
| 19:04.51 | delvalle26 | kevlarman: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/i386/iso-cd/ |
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| 19:05.43 | somiaj | kevlarman: for the most part debian want people running testing/unstable who aren't wanting to test and/or fix, bug report. They are not offical releases and are not ment to be. having install testing/unstable from the stable installers is just a bad idea, there is enough trouble people have tryign to run testing like a stable release. |
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| 19:06.06 | pppoe_dude | so i successfully configured isc-dhcp-server |
| 19:06.21 | kevlarman | somiaj: then at least the testing images need to be easier to find |
| 19:06.24 | pppoe_dude | however it is not assigning dns server information on the remote machines. |
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| 19:06.32 | morphje | pppoe_dude, after ditching network-manger ? |
| 19:06.40 | pppoe_dude | morphje, yes |
| 19:06.47 | delvalle26 | kevlarman: the thing is if you go to the net installer page |
| 19:06.48 | morphje | yay :) |
| 19:06.49 | somiaj | kevlarman: actually the testing images are not always the best way to install testing, they are for people testing the debian installer changes, not nesecarally for installing testing. |
| 19:06.54 | delvalle26 | it has it listed |
| 19:06.57 | delvalle26 | http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ |
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| 19:07.15 | delvalle26 | It's not exactly hidden, and it's targeted toward people not afraid of breakage |
| 19:07.31 | delvalle26 | The following minimal bootable CD images are available for download: |
| 19:07.39 | delvalle26 | 3rd choice... |
| 19:08.12 | jhutchins_lt | kevlarman: There's a good chance that if you have trouble finding the testing images you shouldn't be running testing, you should run stable. |
| 19:08.41 | kevlarman | jhutchins_lt: stable is completely useless as a desktop |
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| 19:08.56 | kevlarman | and i'm coming from arch (and sid before that), so i'm used to this stuff |
| 19:09.02 | jhutchins_lt | kevlarman: No, it's not, a lot of people use it on a daily basis (including me). |
| 19:09.03 | delvalle26 | there is always backports (although personally I prefer testing, and now am quite happy with sid) |
| 19:09.19 | kevlarman | jhutchins_lt: i can barely build wine on sid |
| 19:09.25 | morphje | pppoe_dude: what's the option line in your config ? |
| 19:09.29 | kevlarman | it's completely impossible on stable age packages |
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| 19:09.37 | jhutchins_lt | kevlarman: So why are you running proprietary closed software? |
| 19:09.43 | somiaj | kevlarman: what? I have built both wine 1.2 and 1.3 on stable just fine. |
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| 19:09.53 | delvalle26 | hey, there is a Free Software that is for win32 as well |
| 19:09.54 | kevlarman | somiaj: does stable have a gcc >=4.5? |
| 19:09.59 | hder | anybody know who is in charge of mozilla.debian.net and where else to get the latest firefox via repo? |
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| 19:10.18 | jhutchins_lt | hder: It's down. These things happen. |
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| 19:10.34 | somiaj | kevlarman: is that required now? Make a backport if so. |
| 19:10.46 | kevlarman | somiaj: yes it's required for a fully working wine |
| 19:10.58 | qelsi | kevlarman: IIRC 4.4 |
| 19:11.00 | hder | jhutchins_lt: that is fine. i'm migrating from ubuntu to debian and was just exploring the best way to get firefox. just bad timing, i guess |
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| 19:11.31 | kevlarman | so is having recent graphics drivers |
| 19:11.40 | kevlarman | (whether mesa based or blobs) |
| 19:11.50 | jhutchins_lt | hder: The stable release isn't really that old, it's just that mozilla has been playing fast and loose with version numbers. |
| 19:11.56 | delvalle26 | kevlarman: if you want to do it just go for it, but prepare for possible hiccups |
| 19:12.03 | jhutchins_lt | kevlarman: My video works great. |
| 19:12.16 | delvalle26 | One weekend where I was sick and bored, I upgraded to testing before squeeze came out |
| 19:12.20 | kevlarman | jhutchins_lt: good for you, but year old graphics drivers are not good enough for me |
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| 19:12.30 | delvalle26 | then bored during the recent holidays, went to sid |
| 19:12.40 | pppoe_dude | morphje, good question. |
| 19:12.40 | delvalle26 | I installed that aptlist bugs thing, and so far very happy with it |
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| 19:12.52 | pppoe_dude | morphje, i copied it from somewhere online but it has nothing referring to dns |
| 19:12.58 | morphje | pppoe_dude: that wasn't the reply i was waiting for ;) |
| 19:12.58 | delvalle26 | your mileage may vary, that's about it. Stable is stable, because it literally doesn't change much |
| 19:13.14 | jhutchins_lt | I suppose it depends on whether you use your computer as a tool to get work done or use it because you enjoy tinkering with it. |
| 19:13.23 | kevlarman | jhutchins_lt: i've had far more breakage from version upgrades than i've had from arch and sid in 6 years combined |
| 19:13.24 | pppoe_dude | morphje, im at work and can't cut paste easily |
| 19:13.25 | pppoe_dude | lol. |
| 19:13.26 | delvalle26 | I do both, but that's what backups are for |
| 19:13.28 | pppoe_dude | it's two different computers |
| 19:13.31 | delvalle26 | and live usb etc for rescue |
| 19:13.38 | jhutchins_lt | I pretty much outgrew the latter since I do system administration professionally. |
| 19:13.48 | morphje | pppoe_dude: try this page: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/DHCP/x369.html |
| 19:13.55 | kevlarman | although that's largely from switching away from sid right before the ia32-apt-get thing :P |
| 19:13.57 | delvalle26 | yeah I can respect that |
| 19:14.05 | jhutchins_lt | kevlarman: So you're relatively new to Linux then. |
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| 19:14.37 | kevlarman | jhutchins_lt: or i've been using linux for almost as long as i've been using computers |
| 19:14.38 | pppoe_dude | morphje, thanks will chek it out |
| 19:14.41 | delvalle26 | I think he or she wants debian rolling release (continous testing or whatever) |
| 19:14.48 | delvalle26 | maybe one day it will be viable |
| 19:15.16 | jelly-home | maybe one day everyone will have a pony |
| 19:15.22 | delvalle26 | (yay!) |
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| 19:17.40 | morphje | pppoe_dude: currently in a giving mood, however, it was something you could have googled quite easily. |
| 19:17.45 | kevlarman | speaking of breaking things |
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| 19:17.57 | kevlarman | is there any end user documentation on how the multiarch stuff works yet? |
| 19:18.18 | kevlarman | there's some things missing from ia32-libs that i'd like to have around |
| 19:18.19 | delvalle26 | I'm still stuck in 32-bit land, but I'd assume you install some lib32 stuff... |
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| 19:20.04 | kevlarman | delvalle26: 8gb of ram (and i'm buying another 8 first time i see my box swap), so that's not an option for me :P |
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| 19:20.39 | delvalle26 | I though with pae or whatever you could access more than 4 gig with a 32-bit kernel... |
| 19:20.57 | kevlarman | that's a bad workaround |
| 19:21.09 | morphje | shiver pae |
| 19:21.12 | kevlarman | also i have one game that only has a 64 bit binary |
| 19:21.13 | pppoe_dude | morphje, i get moments of freedom at work, to do this kind of thing |
| 19:21.17 | pppoe_dude | when it's not busy |
| 19:21.37 | delvalle26 | gently pats his 6 year old laptop |
| 19:21.50 | jhutchins_lt | My, my, look what google found: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/534 "Running 32-bit Applications on 64-bit Debian GNU/Linux" |
| 19:21.54 | ElDiabolo | delvalle26, yeah, but not as coninuous memory. If you need a big database cache, you are lost. |
| 19:21.54 | morphje | pppoe_dude: you have non-busy moments at work ? |
| 19:22.02 | pppoe_dude | yeah |
| 19:22.16 | pppoe_dude | so still that doesn't tell how to do domain-name-servers automatically. |
| 19:22.21 | kevlarman | delvalle26: my desktop is a bit newer than that, sticking my feet in the gpu exhaust on cold days is really nice :D |
| 19:22.26 | pppoe_dude | but i suppose that might involve another package. |
| 19:22.37 | pppoe_dude | basically, to pass on the DNS servers from one interface to the other |
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| 19:22.56 | delvalle26 | Best thing to do I guess is read up on it, you have plenty of options with a beefy machine |
| 19:23.00 | delvalle26 | chroot, virtualization, etc. |
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| 19:23.12 | somiaj | kevlarman: then debian stable might not be the os for you. I use debian sid for my desktop, but I'm willing to fix things that break (and they do almost every upgrade) |
| 19:23.31 | kevlarman | somiaj: like i said, i'm coming from arch |
| 19:23.36 | kevlarman | i'm used to minor breakage |
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| 19:23.40 | somiaj | kevlarman: but anything outside of debian stable is not really that supported and you should spend some time using debian stable and learning how debian does things before just jumping into sid |
| 19:23.57 | kevlarman | somiaj: i've already spent years using sid |
| 19:24.01 | jhutchins_lt | pppoe_dude: Do the logs on the dhcp server tell you it's getting the queries? |
| 19:24.07 | pppoe_dude | now to transfer my LAMP server to the other computer. |
| 19:24.09 | somiaj | kevlarman: i.e. if you have an apt dependency issue and have to manually download .deb's from packages.debian.org and the likes. |
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| 19:24.21 | jhutchins_lt | kevlarman: Did you have a debian support question? |
| 19:24.35 | kevlarman | jhutchins_lt: mostly the multiarch thing |
| 19:24.35 | D-Boy | any idea how to limit ssh sessions on a tunnelling scenario ? (same problem as here : http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-security-4/limiting-ssh-connections-849977/ ) |
| 19:24.35 | somiaj | kevlarman: well as for installing the safest way to install is either debootstrap (install the sid base system directally) or install a stable base system and then upgrade to sid, then install additional software. |
| 19:24.59 | kevlarman | also at some point i'm going to need to copy my entire install onto a different partition |
| 19:25.18 | somiaj | kevlarman: boot up into a live system, use rsync, then chroot to fix the bootloader |
| 19:25.36 | kevlarman | somiaj: yeah that part i've done millions of times |
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| 19:25.48 | jhutchins_lt | pppoe_dude: Sorry, but your question seems to have been lost in the static. Did you solve your problem? |
| 19:25.50 | kevlarman | somiaj: the scary thing is i didn't install grub on this system |
| 19:26.04 | pppoe_dude | jhutchins, most of it, yes thanks. |
| 19:26.18 | jhutchins_lt | kevlarman: If you don't have a current support question could you take the chat to #debian-offtopic? |
| 19:26.32 | pppoe_dude | it is frustrating because i am kind of ashamed to be trying to configure a linux computer at work... everyone here likes windose |
| 19:26.47 | kevlarman | somiaj: it's currently booting from arch's grub (which will get overwritten), and i want to make sure i don't create extra work for myself when doing that |
| 19:26.50 | morphje | pppoe_dude, shouldn't something like "option domain-name-servers 192.168.1.1, 192.168.1.2;" do the trick ? |
| 19:26.53 | pppoe_dude | or not so much ashamed, as having a sense of that i shouldn't be "wasting time" etc etc etc |
| 19:26.54 | jhutchins_lt | pppoe_dude: You are just on a higher plain. |
| 19:27.11 | pppoe_dude | never thought i would feel this way,until i became surrounded by people who don't know how to use computerz |
| 19:27.17 | morphje | pppoe_dude: convince boss to hire a second linux dude type of figure |
| 19:27.21 | pppoe_dude | computers*. particularly my clients. |
| 19:27.22 | jhutchins_lt | pppoe_dude: As long as you get the stuff you're expected to do done. |
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| 19:27.43 | pppoe_dude | morphje, yeah but the dns servers might change from the dhcp connection on the other interface. |
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| 19:27.57 | jhutchins_lt | pppoe_dude: Anyway, is there something on Debian we can help you with? |
| 19:27.58 | pppoe_dude | jhutchins, exactly. actually everything is a lot more efficient at this point. |
| 19:27.59 | morphje | pppoe_dude... eerrrrr, might explain that ? |
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| 19:28.23 | somiaj | kevlarman: if you install os-prober, when debian grub scripts go though your system they will look for other oses/distros and put the boot primisions there |
| 19:28.39 | morphje | dhcp server on your upstream connection usually don't change much |
| 19:29.13 | kevlarman | somiaj: i'm overwriting arch entirely once this debian install is working to my satisfaction |
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| 19:29.24 | jhutchins_lt | DNS settings are usually system-wide, not by connection/interface. |
| 19:29.35 | kevlarman | i'm just worried about making sure when i install grub it can boot from ext4 for example |
| 19:30.30 | morphje | pppoe_dude: so you need something like dns forwarding ? |
| 19:30.33 | kevlarman | (i can't remember if grub1 needs patching to work from ext4) |
| 19:30.36 | somiaj | ext4 support is in squeeze, so it will work jsut fine kevlarman |
| 19:30.45 | kevlarman | ok, awesome |
| 19:30.53 | somiaj | debian uses grub2, despite it calling it version 1.99 or whatever |
| 19:31.04 | kevlarman | not awesome :\ |
| 19:31.09 | kevlarman | have to learn that then |
| 19:31.28 | kevlarman | i suppose getting uefi support isn't a bad thing |
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| 19:31.50 | jhutchins_lt | grub has had uefi support since at least 2008. |
| 19:31.57 | kevlarman | jhutchins_lt: grub2 |
| 19:32.02 | kevlarman | not grub1 afaik |
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| 19:32.20 | jhutchins_lt | Yep, I've built CentOS4 servers on mac mini's with it. |
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| 19:33.04 | kevlarman | i've avoided grub2 up until now (mostly because i didn't know the new file format yet) |
| 19:33.25 | somiaj | kevlarman: for the most part you leave the grub files alone in debian and use scripts/default options to generate them. |
| 19:34.15 | kevlarman | somiaj: once it's actually booting, yes, but there will be a somewhat scary moment before that happens |
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| 19:36.34 | pppoe_dude | morphje, mhm |
| 19:36.41 | pppoe_dude | dnsmasq seems to have what i want. |
| 19:36.53 | morphje | pppoe_dude: and if that would be the case dnsmasq should be the way to go :) |
| 19:36.58 | morphje | indeed |
| 19:37.23 | morphje | another lesson learned. Always listen to your peers. |
| 19:37.49 | nsadmin | always drink your beers |
| 19:37.56 | morphje | (nah forget that, i will never learn that lesson myself, not gonna advice that to others) |
| 19:38.14 | kevlarman | hm, actually one more thing |
| 19:38.20 | kevlarman | how heavily does debian patch gcc? |
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| 19:39.15 | nsadmin | kevlarman, you can read the patch :) |
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| 19:39.40 | nsadmin | you probably want to read the binutils patch too |
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| 19:44.32 | Wug | any change of letting me test a bot here |
| 19:44.50 | Wug | its crashing when it recieves a lot of data at once, I need to join several large channels to provoke it |
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| 19:45.34 | nsadmin | probably they're going to say hell no... and I'm curious what the bot's going to do |
| 19:45.51 | Wug | join, and probably crash |
| 19:46.03 | nsadmin | and if it doesn't crash? |
| 19:46.12 | Wug | then it will stay until I quit it |
| 19:46.19 | Wug | no speaking |
| 19:46.24 | nsadmin | and otherwise silent? |
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| 19:47.13 | Wug | yep |
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| 19:47.23 | Wug | ill probably +D it |
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| 19:48.52 | nsadmin | if you can convince abrotman, well first off that would be amazing... but he hates everything :) probably you would time rejoins so the bot doesn't try to join after crashes for like 10 mins |
| 19:49.16 | nsadmin | immediate rejoins would probably be out of the question entirely |
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| 19:50.15 | morphje | nsadmin: everybody gets convinced by a bottle of his/hers favourite drink ;) |
| 19:50.19 | Wug | its manual, I'd have to restart it |
| 19:50.30 | Wug | abrotman: doooop |
| 19:51.13 | nsadmin | well ok :) these would be good things to say to any of the channels... reasonableness factors |
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| 19:52.24 | nsadmin | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:53.19 | nsadmin | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:53.21 | Caelum | is it possible to automount a usb hd by fstab entry? |
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| 19:53.57 | nsadmin | Caelum what fs type? |
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| 19:54.06 | Caelum | nsadmin: ext4 |
| 19:54.21 | nsadmin | I would think you could do it if you mount by uuid |
| 19:54.31 | Caelum | nsadmin: it is by uuid |
| 19:54.45 | nsadmin | so, I would think, yes, you can |
| 19:55.12 | nsadmin | things that read fstab understand uuids |
| 19:55.14 | zykotick9 | Caelum: what do you mean my "automount" exactly? fstab isn't a mechanism for automatically mounting thing? |
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| 19:55.32 | Caelum | I mean when I plug it in, I want it to be mounted |
| 19:55.47 | zykotick9 | Caelum: you need more then fstab then ;) |
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| 19:55.49 | nsadmin | same mount point every time? |
| 19:55.55 | Caelum | same mount point |
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| 19:56.21 | Caelum | zykotick9: this other thing, I want it to use my fstab entry |
| 19:56.54 | nsadmin | you can put the fstab entry in there, and maybe you need something like a cron job or a daemon that watches for its presence |
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| 19:57.20 | nsadmin | and in response does mount /the/mount/point |
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| 19:57.44 | zykotick9 | Caelum: if you put the entry in fstab (as nsadmin just mentioned) you just need to "mount /mount/point" |
| 19:58.02 | Wug | I'm just going to do it |
| 19:58.13 | Wug | if anyone objects just ban it or something |
| 19:58.15 | zykotick9 | Caelum: adding "user" to the fstab option would allow regular (non-root) users to mount it |
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| 19:58.49 | nsadmin | that would probably be a one and only one shot deal |
| 19:58.56 | Caelum | zykotick9: that is good, but going one step further and having it mount it for me would be nice...I'll do some research |
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| 19:59.48 | zykotick9 | Caelum: there has mention of usbmount in the mailing list the past couple of days (i believe it caused an issue of taking over all mounting, but i didn't follow it closely) |
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| 20:00.05 | nsadmin | write a daemon that watches for the presence of /dev/disk/by-uuid/09384508540834 |
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| 20:00.13 | nsadmin | or whatever the uuid is |
| 20:00.22 | Caelum | zykotick9: thanks, I'll check it out |
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| 20:01.06 | abrotman | nsadmin: eh what? |
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| 20:01.11 | abrotman | Wug: ? |
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| 20:01.19 | Wug | abrotman: what |
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| 20:01.30 | Wug | its not skynet if thats what you're wondering |
| 20:01.34 | Wug | it isnt online ye |
| 20:01.36 | abrotman | Wug: please don't test your bot in here |
| 20:01.47 | Wug | abrotman: can I explain the details |
| 20:01.56 | Wug | it wont be speaking, only joining/parting/quitting |
| 20:02.04 | Wug | it will probably only need to be once or twice |
| 20:02.15 | abrotman | and then it will go away forever ? |
| 20:02.19 | Wug | yep |
| 20:02.30 | Wug | well probably. forever is a long time |
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| 20:02.35 | ChorlaMan | hi |
| 20:02.35 | abrotman | that's fine .. i thought you meant another bot (we hav so many already 'approved') |
| 20:02.46 | Wug | lol |
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| 20:03.17 | nsadmin | if, as you say, forever is a long time, ask abrotman again when forever is done :) |
| 20:03.37 | nsadmin | err, if you need to test the bot again |
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| 20:07.35 | fasta | My audio suddently stopped working. Where can I see why that happened? |
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| 20:08.11 | abrotman | !alsa checklist |
| 20:08.12 | dpkg | 1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out & in again) 2) unmute and raise channels w/ alsamixer (also try muting some & toggle jack sense if available) 3) <pulseaudio> or other daemon stopped? 4) speakers on? 5) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? 6) squeeze: purge any installed <oss4> packages to remove ALSA blacklist. See also <list alsa users>, <alsa firmware>. |
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| 20:09.18 | kevlarman | abrotman: isn't consolekit supposed to deal with making the device writable for your user these days? |
| 20:09.20 | fasta | abrotman: pulseaudio should not be on Squeeze, right? |
| 20:09.36 | fasta | I wonder how it got on my system :/ |
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| 20:10.00 | kevlarman | fasta: gnome3? |
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| 20:10.15 | fasta | kevlarman: only gdm3, but no gnome3. |
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| 20:10.28 | kevlarman | that might have been enough to pull in pulse |
| 20:10.41 | kevlarman | gnome3 definitely is |
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| 20:12.14 | kevlarman | fasta: if you're particularly curious, aptitude why pulseaudio |
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| 20:13.00 | fasta | kevlarman: I already nuked it, but it still doesn't give any sound. |
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| 20:14.22 | kevlarman | fasta: does speaker-test -t wav complain about anything? |
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| 20:14.39 | fasta | kevlarman: no, that works. |
| 20:14.47 | kevlarman | what doesn't then? |
| 20:14.55 | fasta | kevlarman: it only says 'left', though. |
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| 20:15.47 | jschall | i have a gui apt package manager (muon) that was running an update and got stuck on setting up openjdk. I assume it's waiting for me to accept a license, but it is not displaying a dialog. how can i get it to keep going? |
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| 20:23.14 | abrotman | Wug: so what's the bot name? |
| 20:23.42 | Wug | abrotman: /ns info wugbot |
| 20:23.59 | project2501a | if anybody running wheezy can you please confirm that there is no /usr/lib/libperl.so symlink? |
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| 20:25.10 | Woet | services like apache / nginx / powerdns are starting up before networking is done configuring, causing it to fail cause they can't bind on all interfaces. what should I do? |
| 20:27.06 | nkuttler | Woet: rearrange the init scripts |
| 20:27.28 | nkuttler | Woet: or if you're lazy maybe just add post-up rules, man 5 interfaces |
| 20:27.28 | Woet | nkuttler: i haven't touched it though, it's on default settings. are the default init scripts wrong? |
| 20:27.42 | nkuttler | Woet: works for me |
| 20:28.05 | Woet | nkuttler: might have to do with the fact my interfaces file is quite complex |
| 20:28.16 | morphje | no issues here either ;) |
| 20:28.17 | Justin | Woet: quite complex how? what did you do? |
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| 20:28.45 | Woet | Justin: bonding, IPv6, tagged VLANs, 20 additional IPv6, etc. |
| 20:29.06 | Woet | nkuttler: i guess i should adjust it so it only boots during rc 6, right? |
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| 20:30.08 | hyppias | which ftp server should I use? wu-ftp? |
| 20:30.30 | morphje | hyppias, use whatever you prefer to use? |
| 20:30.42 | Justin | Woet: how did you set that up exactly? |
| 20:31.08 | Woet | Justin: by putting it in the interfaces files? |
| 20:31.12 | Justin | Woet: HOW |
| 20:31.17 | hyppias | morphje: I don't know my prefs yet. |
| 20:31.37 | Woet | Justin: ... err, by reading the manuals and guides, applying them to my situation and then using nano to put them in my interfaces file? |
| 20:31.46 | Justin | Woet: nevermind. good luck |
| 20:31.46 | morphje | hyppias: and your uses? |
| 20:32.00 | Woet | Justin: please rephrase the question, i don't think i understand |
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| 20:32.15 | Justin | Woet: pastebin your /etc/network/interfaces file |
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| 20:32.28 | Woet | Justin: oh, okay. that's a lot clearer. one moment |
| 20:32.51 | sti | i'm running a server with a debian 5.0.9, upgrade so easy? |
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| 20:32.59 | Justin | generally when someone asks how exactly you set something up it is implied that they are referring to the specific configuration and not what text editor you used... :) |
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| 20:33.15 | Woet | sti: sure, replace lenny with squeeze, apt-get update, apt-get upgrade, apt-get dist-upgrade |
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| 20:33.55 | sti | Woet: thx |
| 20:33.56 | rozie | read release notes... |
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| 20:34.11 | hyppias | morphje: none yet: installing Debian and deciding packages. |
| 20:34.24 | Woet | Justin: http://pastebin.com/ZeSiqtpP |
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| 20:35.13 | morphje | hyppias, you must have a use for a ftp server or you wouldn't be installing one. So what kind of use/abuse will it receive? what are your wishes? etc |
| 20:35.19 | Justin | Woet: ah, that's your problem right there |
| 20:35.26 | morphje | if none, google for "debian installing ftp |
| 20:35.36 | morphje | search for the first howtoforge page and read |
| 20:35.43 | Woet | Justin: i started off debugging that of course, but some people in this channel said it was fine |
| 20:35.44 | Justin | Woet: well some of that at least.. you might not mean 'up' |
| 20:35.55 | Woet | Justin: i tried up and post-up, both cause the same issue |
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| 20:36.07 | Woet | Justin: it's failing about IPs in the up line though, so it is related. |
| 20:36.20 | Justin | ah, post-up would be worse.. I was thinking pre-up |
| 20:36.33 | Woet | Justin: let me check which one I tried |
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| 20:36.38 | stevieman | I have a USB drive that is mounted on my system. How do I determine which drive it actually is? I have a few the same size. only 1 is USB though |
| 20:37.05 | Justin | Woet: if you haven't tried pre-up I would give that a go, couldn't hurt |
| 20:37.29 | Woet | Justin: [08:29:36] <Woet> should that work fine? or should it be pre-up? or what? |
| 20:37.38 | Woet | but i don't remember whether i tried, so let me try again |
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| 20:37.54 | hyppias | morphje: I value security. server will be low load. |
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| 20:38.35 | hyppias | morphje: i read about vsftp.... |
| 20:38.44 | zykotick9 | hyppias: security and ftp don't belong in the same sentence ;) see "/msg dpkg ftpmustdie", BUT i always like proftpd |
| 20:38.59 | Woet | stevieman: does it have a LED light? |
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| 20:39.17 | morphje | hyppias, i could be mistaken, but security and wu-ftp don't go in one sentence |
| 20:39.34 | morphje | but i agree with zykotick9, proftpd is rather nice to work with |
| 20:39.47 | zykotick9 | morphje: there was a joke allong the lines of "wu-ftp providing root for 10+ years" |
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| 20:40.12 | morphje | s/joke/fact/ |
| 20:40.13 | morphje | right? |
| 20:40.14 | Woet | I use vsftpd by default cause it's secure, I use proftpd when I need more control/features |
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| 20:40.26 | Woet | havent tried any others |
| 20:40.29 | esaym153 | Is anyone able to listen to audio cds in KDE in testing? I can't get amarok or kaffiene to play them... |
| 20:40.39 | stevieman | Woet: I believe so, I know where the drive is mounted in debian. I just done't know it's /dev or UUID |
| 20:40.48 | DummyMode | hi |
| 20:40.56 | Woet | stevieman: you could make it blink and then you would see which one? :) |
| 20:41.04 | hyppias | so if you don't want to FTP, what else could I set up for file transport? sftp? |
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| 20:41.51 | zykotick9 | stevieman: if you know where it's mount (and it's currently mounted), try "mount" in a terminal, should show it's device details (unless you're using fuse) |
| 20:42.02 | morphje | hyppias: well if you provide us with your use-case then we could provide more answers |
| 20:42.19 | stevieman | Woet: I know which physical drive it is, I don't know the UUID or whether it's /dev/sde1 or such |
| 20:42.47 | Woet | stevieman: oh, would it be an option to unplug it and check messages which one disconnected? |
| 20:42.50 | morphje | i use ftp for IE users, ssh for knowledgable users (currently 2) |
| 20:42.56 | stevieman | zykotick9: thanks, mount worked perfectly |
| 20:43.24 | Woet | stevieman: oh, i thought you didn't know where it was mounted either. sorry :) |
| 20:43.41 | stevieman | Woet: No worries |
| 20:43.53 | Justin | stevieman: do you know it's serial number? |
| 20:44.09 | Justin | stevieman: /dev/disk/by-id usually has serial numbers |
| 20:44.17 | Woet | Justin: he already solved it |
| 20:44.24 | Justin | oh :) |
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| 20:46.19 | Woet | Justin: nope, I tried pre-up too before and now again. no fix |
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| 20:47.11 | Justin | Woet: when you run ifup bond0 does it wait for everything to come up or return right away? |
| 20:47.32 | Woet | Justin: let me check, one moment |
| 20:47.45 | morphje | zykotick9: i was a bit afraid to message dpkg for ftpmustdie, but it's a rather entertaining read :D |
| 20:47.53 | Justin | Woet: becaues it it waits for everything to come up, I can't see any reason why the networking startup would get screwed up |
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| 20:49.03 | Woet | Justin: it takes 0.526s |
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| 20:51.27 | Woet | Justin: apache, nginx and pdns all complain about ips in the 'pre-up' line during boot up |
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| 20:53.02 | Justin | Woet: heh, you've had this problem for a while huh? |
| 20:53.06 | Woet | Justin: yup |
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| 20:55.44 | Justin | Woet: when you ran ifup bond0 all those ipv6 address got added like they were supposed to? |
| 20:55.58 | Woet | yup |
| 20:56.03 | Woet | they are all up when the system is booted too |
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| 20:57.10 | Justin | Woet: I wonder what would happen if you added a 'up /bin/sleep 5' as the last command.. I wonder if it is just an odd race condition of some sort |
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| 20:58.50 | Woet | Justin: up or pre-up |
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| 20:59.21 | Justin | Woet: up should be fine |
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| 20:59.35 | Woet | Justin: so all pre-up and up for the sleep? |
| 20:59.50 | Justin | Woet: yeah, that should be a good test |
| 20:59.52 | Woet | rebooting |
| 21:00.21 | Justin | I wonder if for some reason the ipv6 addresses don't really 'stick' immediately.. ipv6 does all kinds of odd things so it might actually take a second or two for all those addresses to be usable |
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| 21:01.52 | Woet | Justin: ... and fixed |
| 21:01.53 | Woet | lol |
| 21:02.05 | Woet | well, better than adjusting init scripts I suppose |
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| 21:03.49 | Justin | Woet: heh, I bet that was it.. I could see ipv6 initialization being slightly asynchronous inside the kernel, especially when you add so many addresses at one time like that |
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| 21:04.09 | Woet | seems to be a bug though, pre-up should wait for it to be done completely |
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| 21:04.18 | Woet | so the ifconfig command should delay it until it's actually done |
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| 21:04.38 | Justin | Woet: you could try using ip instead of ifconfig.. ifconfig is kind of deprecated |
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| 21:04.52 | Justin | ip -6 addr add 2002:c000:203::1/64 dev eth0 |
| 21:04.54 | Justin | from the debian wiki |
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| 21:05.23 | Woet | hm, ok |
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| 21:09.45 | Dagger2 | you can skip the -6; it can recognize v6 addresses |
| 21:09.57 | kleanchap | Yesterday, I did the update/upgrade using aptitude. When I execute the uname command I am seeing "2.6.32-5-686". Is this the most recent kernel release? What is the latest kernel release for Debian? When I execute the uname command I am seeing "2.6.32-5-686". |
| 21:10.11 | Woet | Justin: next low-prio issue, my syslog is spammed with "snmpd: error on subcontainer 'ia_addr' insert" |
| 21:11.07 | zykotick9 | kleanchap: do you need a newer kernel for some reason? if so, check out backports. |
| 21:11.14 | Woet | Justin: caused by bonding according to the internet |
| 21:11.14 | Dagger2 | Woet: I see your provider is yet another one that fails to route you a block of addresses :( |
| 21:11.46 | Woet | Dagger2: how come? |
| 21:11.49 | Dagger2 | and instead puts a /56 on-link, suggesting they probably think they are |
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| 21:12.24 | Woet | Dagger2: we are our own provider. |
| 21:12.35 | Woet | Dagger2: so what's wrong? |
| 21:12.37 | hyppias | So weird: I install Debian 6.0.3 on an SD card in a USB reader and the thing boots OK. If I install on a straight USB stick, it won't boot from it. both ext2 and a swap. Any suggestions? differences in USB technology under the hood? |
| 21:12.45 | Dagger2 | you're using `netmask 56` and have no other v6 interface, so I guess bond0 is the uplink to the ISP |
| 21:13.04 | Woet | Dagger2: yes, it's eth0/eth1 bonded on bond0 |
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| 21:13.53 | Dagger2 | Woet: basically you should always be using /64s on interfaces |
| 21:13.58 | abrotman | fasta: why not? i had it |
| 21:14.20 | abrotman | stops replying to messages from an hour ago |
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| 21:14.37 | Dagger2 | if you want to route /56s or /48s or whatever, then go ahead and do that, and route them to the address from the /64 |
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| 21:15.02 | Woet | Dagger2: we assign a /64 IPv6 block to each server |
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| 21:15.43 | Woet | Dagger2: and they are in VLANs of /56 |
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| 21:16.32 | dougmencken | great |
| 21:16.41 | moes | Downloaded and burned ..Debian-live-6.0.3-i386-kde desktop.iso to dvd...Boots ok..problem is changing to root..using su but passwords are incorrect..What do I use?? |
| 21:16.45 | octeris | Is it possible to install a package from wheezy when I'm running squeeze? |
| 21:17.01 | nkuttler | !tell octeris about backports |
| 21:17.17 | octeris | nkuttler: Thanks. |
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| 21:17.23 | nkuttler | moes: can't you use sudo on the live cd? |
| 21:17.27 | Dagger2 | e.g. assign 2001:db8:3003:ffff::1/64 to the remote side of bond0, and then 2001:db8:3003:ffff::2/64 to the local side (or you could use /126s or so -- the point is that it's just a point-to-point link with only the two machines on it, so it only needs two addresses) |
| 21:18.02 | simonlnu | 128* |
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| 21:18.11 | moes | nkuttler, I am trying to get into appitued-curses |
| 21:18.15 | Dagger2 | and then route 2001:db8:3003:4200::/56 to 2001:db8:3003:ffff::2 |
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| 21:19.47 | Dagger2 | (these might be poor example addresses for your particular setup -- I assumed you have a single /48, and used :4200: to get it out of the way of anything in your pastebin) |
| 21:20.12 | Woet | Dagger2: we have a /32, split up in /56 VLANs with /64's assigned per device |
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| 21:23.31 | _0bitcount | Save the internet https://secure.avaaz.org/en/eu_save_the_internet_spread/ |
| 21:23.37 | Dagger2 | erm... the summary is that each link (LAN/VLAN/"L2 broadcast domain") should have a /64 on it |
| 21:23.51 | octeris | If a package is not available in backports is there another way to install unstable packages on a stable install of Debian? |
| 21:24.26 | octeris | Specfically I'm looking to install Xfce 4.8 over 4.6, and I understand if you direct me to #xfce instead. |
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| 21:24.50 | Dagger2 | if you need to route a bigger block (e.g. to a VM server with multiple VMs, or similar) then you *route* them using `ip route add 2001:db8:3003:4200::/56 via 2001:db8:3003:ffff::2` |
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| 21:27.30 | Dagger2 | the difference between routing the block and putting it directly on the link is that, if the block is on the link, the upstream router starts sending NDP requests looking for the destination machine on that link |
| 21:28.45 | Dagger2 | imagine if your upstream had your /32 on the interface between you and them. you'd have to connect every single one of your machines to it directly via a switch, because any attempt to send traffic to one of your IPs would result in your ISP's router looking on its connection for the destination machine |
| 21:29.30 | Dagger2 | (sorry that my explaination sucks; this isn't the easiest thing in the world to explain properly) |
| 21:29.36 | Woet | i noticed |
| 21:29.41 | Woet | i'll have a look later, thanks |
| 21:29.56 | Vasistha | since I upgraded to squeeze, there seems to be some sort of power management that is auto-adjusting my laptop screen brightness. I hate that! Any idea what might be doing it? |
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| 21:31.13 | Dagger2 | are you doing the one-VLAN-per-server thing? |
| 21:31.20 | delvalle26 | Vasistha: Desktop environment? |
| 21:31.29 | Vasistha | delvalle26: trinity |
| 21:31.42 | delvalle26 | hmm, is that a gnome 2 fork? |
| 21:31.48 | Dagger2 | if so, then you want to do what I suggested in my example up there: put a /64 on the VLAN, and assign ::1 to your end and ::2 to the customer end |
| 21:31.52 | Vasistha | delvalle26: might that be what's doing it? kde 3.5.10 didn't have it, this is like kde 3.5.13 |
| 21:32.05 | Dagger2 | and then pick a separate /56 and route it to the ::2 address |
| 21:32.07 | delvalle26 | Maybe, if it's like gnome, there should be some sort of gnome-power-manager |
| 21:32.34 | delvalle26 | Vasistha: If there is a control center (or system -> settings menu) should be in there somewhere |
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| 21:33.00 | delvalle26 | Sorry I can't be more help, I've basically given up on DE's |
| 21:33.01 | Vasistha | delvalle26: yeah, I've been poking around there, no luck yet |
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| 21:33.43 | Vasistha | delvalle26: the power control section notes, "Your computer seems to have a partial ACPI installation. ACPI was probably enabled, but some of the sub-options were not - you need to enable at least 'AC Adaptor' and 'Control Method Battery' and then rebuild your kernel." |
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| 21:34.16 | Vasistha | using bpo 2.6.38 I believe. Seems backports has 3.2 now, so I'm debating whether I should move in that direction |
| 21:34.32 | delvalle26 | Vasistha: You can try that out, you'll still have your old kernel to choose from at boot up... |
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| 21:34.46 | delvalle26 | But, you need to find the settings for backlight, when on ac or batterry |
| 21:35.09 | delvalle26 | It's probably changing it after x number of minutes idle... |
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| 21:35.30 | Vasistha | yeah, I think that's what it's doing |
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| 21:44.20 | copia | debian? |
| 21:44.54 | epsas | squeeze |
| 21:45.20 | copia | chevere XD |
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| 21:46.06 | copia | debian is cool |
| 21:46.10 | copia | bye |
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| 21:47.12 | epsas | chouette |
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| 21:51.09 | copia | yo trabajo con debian wheezy XD |
| 21:52.18 | copia | 1221 personas y nadie conversando |
| 21:52.24 | copia | o que esperan??? |
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| 21:53.03 | zykotick9 | !es |
| 21:53.04 | dpkg | Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat. |
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| 21:54.03 | KSHawkEye | I want to build frei0r without gavl, yet trying --without-gavl doesn't seem to work, does anyone know a simple way to do this? |
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| 21:57.03 | lluvia | anyone has mutt working with lavabit? |
| 21:57.52 | lluvia | I'd appreciate its configfiles (password changed, of course) |
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| 21:59.53 | smhar | I am using gnome 3 on debian wheezy. is there a way to enable the debian menu (for applications) which was available in gnome 2.x? |
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| 22:05.31 | np_complete | ok |
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| 22:07.05 | Dybber | Hi, when I put my ThinkPad x200s into its docking station, the pc speaker is enabled. I use xset b off in my .xinitrc to disable it. Where should I report this bug? |
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| 22:07.39 | dondelelcaro | Dybber: that bug is actually something more complex; all kinds of events will result in the beep being turned back on |
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| 22:08.21 | Caelum | what was the package I need to reconfigure to try to get dependency boot working? |
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| 22:11.03 | Dybber | dondelelcaro: okay, but should I report it somewhere? |
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| 22:13.01 | dondelelcaro | Dybber: it's not clear where to report it; multiple people know about it |
| 22:13.42 | Caelum | I know I have init scripts without the right tags, but dpkg-reconfigure insserv sysv-rc doesn't give me any output... |
| 22:13.57 | dondelelcaro | Dybber: the best thing would be to track precisely when it gets flipped back on, and the codepaths that are doing it |
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| 22:16.00 | |ntz| | hello, anyone knows if intel HD Graphics 3000 works in linux with its full power ? |
| 22:16.40 | jaakkos | |ntz|: it has its issues... |
| 22:16.55 | jaakkos | |ntz|: but it's pretty good i would say. i still have some tearing issues that _really_ shouldn't be there. |
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| 22:17.10 | jaakkos | (on 3.2 kernel) |
| 22:17.57 | jaakkos | there is a nice "rc6" option for the i915 driver that gives me 4-5 hours more battery life, totaling around 10 using ThinkPad X220 |
| 22:17.59 | |ntz| | jaakkos: with this chip ? great to meet ya .. do you have any issues with previously (hopefully) broken max size of Xserver ? |
| 22:18.28 | |ntz| | jaakkos: eg there was some unbreakable 4096x4096 max size issue |
| 22:18.31 | jaakkos | it definitely got better since last fall |
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| 22:19.07 | kevlarman | jaakkos: that's with a regular battery? |
| 22:19.12 | kevlarman | not oversied or anything? |
| 22:19.22 | jaakkos | to end what i was saying, this rc6 option is still not enabled by default in stable kernels since some people have instability |
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| 22:19.31 | jaakkos | kevlarman: it's the 9 cell battery |
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| 22:20.02 | jaakkos | kevlarman: the one that sticks out from the back a bit (but not the biggest one that covers whole bottom) |
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| 22:20.16 | |ntz| | jaakkos: which option ? i have i915 right now with current hw (not hd3k) ? modinfo shows nothing like that |
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| 22:20.28 | kevlarman | jaakkos: you're tempting me to buy one |
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| 22:21.24 | jaakkos | |ntz|: sorry, not familiar with the max size issue. i'm running it as 1920x1080 via DVI and DisplayPort (connecting to TV) |
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| 22:22.03 | |ntz| | okay, thanks |
| 22:22.05 | jaakkos | |ntz|: root@thinkpad:~# modinfo i915|grep rc6 |
| 22:22.05 | jaakkos | parm: i915_enable_rc6:Enable power-saving render C-state 6 (default: -1 (use per-chip default) (int) |
| 22:22.25 | jaakkos | 3.2.0-rc7-amd64 |
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| 22:23.15 | jaakkos | |ntz|: how did you hit this issue |
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| 22:24.01 | dougmencken | test |
| 22:24.20 | |ntz| | jaakkos: by simple attempting to composite bigger resolution then 4096 on either x or y |
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| 22:24.58 | |ntz| | jaakkos: google it .. the most of distros have it reported as a *critical or *major severity bugreport .. or at least they had |
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| 22:26.08 | Dybber | dondelelcaro: Okay, I have looked in /etc/acpi/ to see if I could find some script that could cause it, but I didn't have any luck with that |
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| 22:26.57 | jaakkos | |ntz|: ok. out of interest, what kind of display/... are you using for it? :) |
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| 22:28.02 | Mephisto | question. In gnome i got bookmars section in "Places" on top bar. How do i actually put all the bookmarks straight in Places, without subsection? |
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| 22:29.12 | |ntz| | jaakkos: well, initially it was 2048x2048 issue .. but if you're composing together built-in 1280x800 + 1920x1080 yu're getting to trouble .. i'm not sure how with newer drivers .. i have at the moment 2048x2048 size issue here |
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| 22:31.07 | jaakkos | |ntz|: do you have a recent kernel? |
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| 22:32.10 | |ntz| | jaakkos: 2.6.37.6-0.11-desktop opensuse 11.4 up-to-date factory kernel |
| 22:32.39 | jaakkos | my laptop would be horrible with 2.6.37 |
| 22:32.55 | jaakkos | so many things were fixed last fall... |
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| 22:34.00 | jaakkos | |ntz|: i would try a later kernel if it's not a huge trouble for you |
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| 22:34.08 | jaakkos | |ntz|: rc6 didn't exist that time. |
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| 22:36.36 | webad_13 | for those of you using bitlbee on debain (with irssi) - how do you visually separate the accounts. Right now I have facebook, gtalk and skype all in one... ideally I would like to have when I list names some sort of separation - either by color or table... any ideas??? |
| 22:36.59 | |ntz| | jaakkos: listen mate .. i'm talkin' about that here http://www.notebookcheck.net/Intel-HD-Graphics-3000.37948.0.html is this card reffered as competiting to low end nvidia/ati graphic cards and should have four times greater performance then gma950 |
| 22:37.27 | deadalnix | hello, I have to compile gcc manually quite often. But, with the new testing arch, I have to trick my compiled gcc with LIBRARY_PATH or I get errors. packaged gcc doesn't do that. How can I achieve the same result by myself ? |
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| 22:37.41 | |ntz| | jaakkos: do you have the same attitude from what you've seen and experienced ? |
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| 22:38.38 | jaakkos | |ntz|: do you know a game called supreme commander? |
| 22:39.17 | |ntz| | no, sorry, i'm not much gaming guy |
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| 22:39.30 | jaakkos | heh, well it's getting really sidetracked, i'm not a gaming guy either - just wasted some time on christmas vacation |
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| 22:39.57 | jaakkos | |ntz|: i do some gpu programming but very rarely and i don't have a very good idea what's good or bad by today's standards ;) |
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| 22:40.46 | jaakkos | |ntz|: what i really wanted to say that i was actually amazed how a game from ~2008 that was really heavy on my desktop, ran pretty smooth on this little laptop |
| 22:40.58 | dondelelcaro | Dybber: nah, it's something internal to X |
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| 22:42.07 | koskoz | I can't install the postmap cmd http://www.postfix.org/postmap.1.html it says there is no package postmap |
| 22:42.15 | |ntz| | jaakkos: great, thanks much .. i think that's enough and i have know all what i wanted to know .. i definitely go to a hd 3000 .. it won't be loss |
| 22:42.33 | |ntz| | s/have// |
| 22:44.02 | jaakkos | |ntz|: are you planning it for a specific application? |
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| 22:47.31 | |ntz| | jaakkos: no, just trying to buy new laptop and asking because i have had nothing but nvidia chips in past years in my |
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| 22:48.13 | DummyMode | hi |
| 22:48.30 | jaakkos | with nvidia you get a good shader compiler, CUDA etc. |
| 22:49.09 | DummyMode | making some search I found this, linux-kbuild-3.2 |
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| 22:49.49 | DummyMode | can someone tell me what¡s that package? can I build kernel-3.2 on my sqeeze? |
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| 22:50.02 | themill | dpkg: tell DummyMode about bpo kernel |
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| 22:52.36 | jaakkos | |ntz|: so if you're into the parallel programming stuff (GPGPU), nvidia might be the way to go |
| 22:52.40 | nemysis | hello to all have a usb HDD which is the best Way to have this Data on all mine PCs, nfs, sshfs, unionfs... |
| 22:53.12 | Vasistha | nemysis: you are saying that you want to share the data between different computers? |
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| 22:54.00 | nemysis | only data which are on this HDD to have on all pcs |
| 22:54.02 | |ntz| | jaakkos: check out asus zenbook .. that's what i'm the most likely gonna to acquire .. only what i want if flawless working under linux and decent performance with oss drivers compared to manufacturer's blobs for windows .. but it should be fine. i want my kde compositing running smooth and video over hdmi to fullhd output (1920x1080) without tearing or any other flaws |
| 22:54.13 | |ntz| | s/if/is/ |
| 22:54.15 | nemysis | all is separat only this data |
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| 22:55.46 | smiley_ | Hello...I am wondering how up to the date btrfs is when using the latest Debain...does anyone know? |
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| 22:58.20 | jaakkos | |ntz|: zenbook looks very good on paper, i've heard the build quality might not be very good though. |
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| 22:59.14 | coldiso | hi experts - i have a Mac Book Pro that i have debian installed on using rEFIt and all is well there but having a bloody ol time getting past this error in Xorg appletouch no synaptics event device found |
| 22:59.28 | coldiso | i can get output out of /dev/input/mouse2 when i cat it |
| 22:59.37 | coldiso | but can't get past this bloody loading synaptic driver |
| 22:59.48 | jaakkos | |ntz|: actually i have a friend who had his unit replaced twice but the same came up #elsewhere, too. perhaps you should check out if there is a huge whine thread on asus forums or something like that before buying. (also we're getting very offtopic :D) |
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| 23:00.36 | coldiso | anyone in here have a Mac Book they have debian installed on they have poked at X with? |
| 23:00.57 | coldiso | i'm poking at a 6.0.4 build |
| 23:01.02 | jaakkos | (otoh lenovo quality has gone down recently too if you ask me) |
| 23:01.40 | Vasistha | nemysis: do you have a computer that could be used as a "server" for all the other computers -- which is on all the time? assumably only the data on this hard drive would be shared by the server |
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| 23:05.51 | nemysis | Yes I have 3 pcs all can be Server or Client but this is too SATA external HDD |
| 23:06.09 | ultra- | is there a way to install debian inside of windows (to run as a program like you can with ubuntu) without 3rd party virtualization software? |
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| 23:06.42 | nemysis | yes only this data I need to share to others pc-s films, music... |
| 23:06.53 | bmoloney | My RAM/chipset first got EDAC support in 2.6.33 and I was wondering if there is any chance this will become available in the squeeze kernel. Or would I have to use the kernel from backports? |
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| 23:07.13 | simonlnu | bpo kernel |
| 23:07.18 | Vasistha | bmoloney: I kinda doubt it, use bpo |
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| 23:08.25 | bmoloney | Ok I will look into the bpo kernel |
| 23:08.33 | bmoloney | thanks |
| 23:09.03 | nemysis | Vasistha, now i have in dev this HDD on pc3 as SATA hdd |
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| 23:09.51 | nemysis | this is too USB 3 what is better USB3 or SATA |
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| 23:11.02 | Vasistha | nemysis: I dunno, they may be similar. I'm really not sure. you can do some read/write speed tests if you like. |
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| 23:11.11 | kl4m | Can I run the same network setup questions that the installer asks, on an installed machine? I'd rather not reinvent the wheel with a network setup script |
| 23:11.36 | nemysis | Vasistha, good but now how to share this to other pcs |
| 23:12.02 | Vasistha | nemysis: my experience with nfs has been mostly frustrating, due to connectivity issues-- long connection times, and flaky connections however you might be able to get it to work for you. |
| 23:12.59 | nemysis | I have used long before nfs but then must bee attached at boot and this is not here |
| 23:14.17 | nemysis | sshfs or unionfs or some others |
| 23:16.24 | Vasistha | nemysis: what has to be reattached? |
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| 23:17.57 | nemysis | i have this one Rack http://www.sharkoon.com/?q=de/node/1812 with two SATA WD hdd 1TB |
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| 23:19.28 | nemysis | I have too 2 Samsung hdd SATA 1.5Tb for this |
| 23:19.49 | nemysis | and can attach or reatach hdds dinamically |
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| 23:23.49 | mallxs | hi strange problem with synergyc .. on a fresh install of 6.0.3 amd 64 ... if i start synergyc in gdm3/Init i dont get my desktop populated after login |
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| 23:25.46 | nemysis | I have full ssh between pcs with keys |
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| 23:29.02 | coldiso | is there something broke with the synaptics driver for xorg in 6.0.4 |
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| 23:30.31 | z28 | coldiso: my toshiba satellite laptop is using it, no apparent problems. |
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| 23:32.45 | Chowzzf | When I install a package with pypi how do I know what version it is? For example 'pip install lxml' which version of http://pypi.python.org/pypi/lxml/ will it install? |
| 23:33.35 | Sm0ke0ut | I think you've a better chance in #python for that question |
| 23:33.45 | coldiso | z28: thanks for confirming - i'm beating my head against a strange issue with it not loading for some reason |
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| 23:35.03 | z28 | coldiso: you're welcome, best of luck. |
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| 23:35.19 | bubblehouse | hello |
| 23:36.39 | bubblehouse | I recently upgraded my kernel from i386 to i686 (2.6.38-bpo.2-686) |
| 23:37.04 | bubblehouse | when I apt-get update it only appears to update from http://backports.debian.org squeeze-backports/main i386 |
| 23:37.17 | bubblehouse | how do I change this to update i686? Does this matter? do I need to change it? |
| 23:37.37 | bubblehouse | There is no specification within etc/apt/sources.list or etc/apt/preferences |
| 23:37.53 | themill | bubblehouse: there is no "i686" architecture in debian. You have the right kernel already (you never had a 386 one, in fact) |
| 23:38.12 | bubblehouse | <---<?> |
| 23:38.24 | bubblehouse | sorry... it may have been i486 |
| 23:38.28 | bubblehouse | my mistake |
| 23:39.00 | Sm0ke0ut | you shouldn't worry about that |
| 23:39.30 | bubblehouse | so it still updates any important patches / etc. it's not unsecure? |
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| 23:39.56 | Sm0ke0ut | nods |
| 23:40.16 | bubblehouse | why does it come up as /main i386? |
| 23:40.20 | bubblehouse | (out of curiosity now) |
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| 23:40.25 | Vasistha | bubblehouse: probably you have the linux 486 meta-package installed, and the 686 meta-package is not installed |
| 23:40.57 | Vasistha | bubblehouse: i386 is an architecture, 486/686 are linux kernel versions (I think there must be a better word than "versions" here but I don't know what it is) |
| 23:41.20 | Sm0ke0ut | architecture revisions perhaps (I don't know either) |
| 23:41.22 | bubblehouse | i see... |
| 23:41.58 | bubblehouse | I thought the architecture was reflected in the name, for example when you are getting a distro you specify your chip architecture |
| 23:42.01 | simonlnu | bubblehouse: what's your machine type (cpu)? |
| 23:42.13 | bubblehouse | so I underestimated my old computer when I first downloaded |
| 23:42.19 | simonlnu | bubblehouse: only in the kernel. the repo stuff is different |
| 23:42.20 | bubblehouse | pentium 4 |
| 23:42.34 | simonlnu | you'd be ok with the i686 kernel |
| 23:42.39 | Vasistha | bubblehouse: well, it is reflected in the name of the .deb file that is downloaded, but it is generally not reflected in the name of the package as seen in apt/aptitude |
| 23:42.50 | simonlnu | and it would still get fetched from i386 |
| 23:43.07 | Vasistha | is it even called i686? I think the 686 does not have an 'i' |
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| 23:43.26 | bubblehouse | so if I later did apt-get install linux-image-2.6 blah blah and then changed this in grub to boot from there, then updates will be applied correctly? |
| 23:43.37 | bubblehouse | (that's what I did) |
| 23:43.37 | simonlnu | no, you're right, no i |
| 23:43.38 | Vasistha | yeah |
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| 23:43.50 | Vasistha | bubblehouse: yes, updates should happen properly |
| 23:43.59 | sven_ | Hello im wondering, where do i save iptables rules in Debian ? |
| 23:44.04 | koskoz | what does the "s" at the beginning of the line means? srw-rw---- 1 postfix postfix 0 31 janv. 00:20 auth |
| 23:44.12 | bubblehouse | you are right... uname -r shows 686 |
| 23:44.13 | sven_ | in RHEL / CentOS it is in a file called, etc/sysconfig/iptables-config |
| 23:44.18 | sven_ | but in debian ? |
| 23:44.20 | simonlnu | koskoz: socket |
| 23:44.30 | bubblehouse | Thank you kindly folks :) |
| 23:44.33 | koskoz | simonlnu: which means? |
| 23:44.48 | bubblehouse | I couldnt' find this easily online, probably because I couldnt' figure out exactly the proper search terms |
| 23:45.01 | simonlnu | means that other processes can send/recieve data to postfix that way. aka unix sockets |
| 23:45.13 | Vasistha | sven_: are you writing them by hand? I use firehol nowadays, and it generates them and puts them somewhere in /etc/init.d |
| 23:45.15 | Sm0ke0ut | kind a streaming |
| 23:45.38 | sven_ | Vasistha: well i just configured a Debian 6 machine |
| 23:45.40 | sven_ | to act as a router, |
| 23:45.44 | simonlnu | sven_: iptables-persistent is one way |
| 23:45.45 | sven_ | and i have done NAT Forwarding |
| 23:45.50 | Vasistha | bubblehouse: yeah it is difficult to search when the things you want to find are "difference between i386 486 686" |
| 23:45.55 | sven_ | so i need to save my iptables lines before i can reboot saftely |
| 23:46.16 | Vasistha | no power outs! |
| 23:46.16 | simonlnu | yes |
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| 23:46.47 | sven_ | anyone have any idea ? |
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| 23:47.30 | simonlnu | we just said yes, "yes" "no power outs!" |
| 23:48.01 | bubblehouse | Vasistha: actually, that search doesn't answer my question in any way, nor explain the repositories. |
| 23:48.04 | sven_ | :P |
| 23:48.10 | sven_ | but i still need to save the configuration |
| 23:48.12 | sven_ | so it can be generic |
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| 23:48.20 | bubblehouse | It does provide some information regarding the chip architectures which is what led me to the question. |
| 23:48.23 | alex- | What does this means, and does it really implies to debian?: Debian is more conservative regarding system-wide technical changes, partly because it takes much more co-ordination to get things done. That's likely because it lacks a real Dictator (Benevolent or not). |
| 23:48.28 | Vasistha | sven_: I think someone mentioned iptables-persistent ... dunno what this is myself. But I think firehol can do nat forwarding, you might check it out, it is a really nifty tool |
| 23:48.28 | simonlnu | yes, you need to save it. |
| 23:49.00 | alex- | Can I use newer software in debian? |
| 23:49.14 | Vasistha | alex-: do you want an answer to the first question or the second? |
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| 23:49.19 | alex- | both |
| 23:49.23 | simonlnu | you can do iptables-save > some_file and have it read that on boot. or use something that can use iptables dumps. i use ferm |
| 23:49.30 | sven_ | Vasistha: yeah unfortunately im not using any GUI |
| 23:49.38 | sven_ | it's only plane Debian 6. on the ground |
| 23:49.40 | Vasistha | sven_: firehol is not a gui program |
| 23:49.41 | Sm0ke0ut | You can use newer software, but that involves compiling or using backports |
| 23:49.46 | alex- | Vasistha: both |
| 23:49.51 | sven_ | whit iptables and 1 in /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
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| 23:50.04 | Vasistha | alex-: as for the second: backports.debian.org |
| 23:50.04 | wald0 | is there a tool for save the list of packages installed and not installed ? so for example, ill do some tests and install a bunch of new packages, then i want to recover to the previous state (removing all of them and their dependiencies) |
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| 23:50.44 | simonlnu | wald0: dpkg --get-selections/--set-selections ; man dpkg |
| 23:50.57 | dondelelcaro | alex-: we do have mechanisms of enforcing system wide technical change, but we operate primarily on consensus; we don't have someone with significant amounts of money who is able to hire developers to see his vision created |
| 23:51.00 | brahman | Evening. I am trying to build a .deb file for my own use, not to share. Is using just a control file and dpkg --build an ok solution? |
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| 23:51.17 | coldiso | how do i track where this is sym link to ? /devices/virtual/input/input0 |
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| 23:51.24 | dondelelcaro | brahman: you can, but that's tons more work than you really need to do |
| 23:51.25 | Vasistha | alex-: as for the first: it's not really that relevant to the first question, but: it means that since it is a community-driven system, people have to reach a consensus in order to make changes to certain ways the system works |
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| 23:51.29 | wald0 | simonlnu: this doesn't save the state of packages NOT installed (so i want to remove them later) |
| 23:51.34 | Vasistha | coldiso: ls -l ? |
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| 23:52.03 | brahman | dondelelcaro: What do you mean? Is there an easier way to build? |
| 23:52.13 | simonlnu | wald0: um, yes it does. look at the dumped file some time. |
| 23:52.14 | alex- | Vasistha and dondelelcaro: ah, it's not a big deal then I think. I was reading something about Debian vs Ubuntu (as a server purpose) |
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| 23:52.22 | dondelelcaro | brahman: the easy way to build is to just use a real debian source package with debhelper 7 style rules files. |
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| 23:52.47 | dondelelcaro | brahman: you just need a small rules file, the control file, and a changelog file |
| 23:53.10 | wald0 | simonlnu: get-selections gives me a list of the installed packages only (and removed ones), if i install now 100 new packages, how i can use this list for revert the state of my system ? |
| 23:53.10 | coldiso | Vasistha from dev? |
| 23:53.14 | brahman | dondelelcaro: I do not have a real debian file, I am doing a git checkout and then creating a .deb from those files... |
| 23:53.14 | coldiso | i don't have a /devices |
| 23:53.17 | coldiso | i have a /dev |
| 23:53.23 | dondelelcaro | brahman: what package? |
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| 23:53.41 | brahman | dondelelcaro: I am trying to package my own source. |
| 23:53.52 | dondelelcaro | brahman: ah, ok; anyway, what I said is still the easy way to do it |
| 23:53.56 | brahman | it doesn't even need to be compiled. |
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| 23:54.40 | brahman | dondelelcaro: I will look into your method. Thanks for your input. |
| 23:54.41 | dondelelcaro | brahman: if you use standard methods of compiling or installing, you just need a very simple rules file; if they're more complex, you can write it in an override_dh_auto_install: target |
| 23:54.58 | brahman | dondelelcaro: going to look at rules file. |
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| 23:55.41 | coldiso | Vasistha - i have output from kern that says "root@voracious:~# ls -l /devices/virtual/input/input0 |
| 23:55.44 | coldiso | ls: cannot access /devices/virtual/input/input0: No such file or directory" |
| 23:55.55 | coldiso | err 0.764608] input: Macintosh mouse button emulation as /devices/virtual/input/input0 |
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| 23:56.06 | coldiso | but that doesn't exist |
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| 23:57.21 | simonlnu | coldiso: it's in /sys |
| 23:57.40 | coldiso | ty simonlnu! |
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| 23:59.33 | coldiso | this really feels like a mapping problem |
| 23:59.33 | coldiso | appletouch no synaptics event device found |