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| 00:01.04 | simonlnu | that should work normally. probably need some userspace stuff |
| 00:01.28 | coldiso | simonlnu tpconfig finds the device correctly |
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| 00:02.38 | coldiso | although interesting the "Sensor type: unknown (0)." |
| 00:04.14 | zoredache | Perhaps a silly question, but why is there no mention of the lenny EOL on debian.org/security or in the http://www.debian.org/security/dsa-long feed? Those are the two primary source I look for security related stuff, and I am a bit annoyed neither mentioned the impending EOL. |
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| 00:05.32 | themill | zoredache: DSA 2360-1 |
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| 00:06.03 | zoredache | themill: I know, but that doesn't appear on the debian.org/security or in the rss feed. |
| 00:06.25 | themill | zoredache: they're sorted by date it was released so that's scrolled off the bottom |
| 00:06.57 | zoredache | yes, but you can click back to the 2011 archived secion, I would expect to see it there. I can see earlier notices. |
| 00:07.26 | zoredache | I can see another notice from the same day even, but no mention of the EOL... |
| 00:07.44 | themill | hmm... interesting point. |
| 00:08.07 | themill | zoredache: I take it you don't subscribe to the d-s-a mailing list? |
| 00:08.50 | themill | (the date of this has, of course, been known for 12 months so this wasn't much of a surprise) |
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| 00:09.27 | zoredache | themill: I do, but I primarily read the RSS feeds. I must have clicked mark-all as read in my mail reader a few weeks ago assuming the same set of announcements were there.. |
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| 00:10.13 | themill | ahh... the dangers of drinking from the firehose |
| 00:10.26 | zoredache | themill: I know, still I think it is a problem that it didn't seem to get mentioned on the web site, but did on the maillist. I am sure someone else has missed the notice as well, and forgot it was happening. |
| 00:10.41 | n3lThon | hi, Im trying to install debian stable 6.0.4 but when it was installing, the pc restart without reason. What may have happened? |
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| 00:11.44 | themill | zoredache: I've prodded the security team about it -- it's probably because their workflow is based around package updates and most of the announcements are entirely automatically generated. Thanks for raising it. |
| 00:11.50 | arietis | which xmpp server would you recommend for testing xmpp software? |
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| 00:13.28 | arietis | i want it to be easy to install and with good logs support |
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| 00:16.49 | themill | zoredache: security people say "thanks for the poke". It might take a while to appear still. |
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| 00:17.15 | dmacks | Is there a way to search for which shared library defines a certain symbol? Something like a dlocate index of symbol<->.so ? |
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| 00:18.12 | simonlnu | arietis: apt-cache search xmpp server is useful (and 'show' for a relevant package) |
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| 00:18.41 | arietis | simonlnu: thanks |
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| 00:19.11 | simonlnu | !search |
| 00:19.11 | dpkg | Please search for things rather than just asking, e.g. 'apt-cache search regex', or with <aptitude search>. The following ways can locate packages that own a file (installed, or candidate for install): 'dpkg -S /bin/foo', <apt-file>, <pdo> (online) and <help find> (bot). <search dpkg> for factoids. See http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt and ask me about <bot help>. See also <axi-search> <debtags>. |
| 00:19.50 | simonlnu | PD is damned handy for quickly looking at things. usually i just use apt-cache and feed it a bunch of package names |
| 00:19.59 | blixt | I wrote a script that needs to kick in when I shut my system down. How can I hook this into the shutdown procedure? |
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| 00:20.04 | simonlnu | !axi-search |
| 00:20.05 | dpkg | rumour has it, axi-cache is a very fast and very sophisticated package search program. It can search through package descriptions for sets of words as well as making use of <debtags>. Its tab-completion makes search suggestions for other words and tags found in association with the ones you have already entered. It is found in the apt-xapian-index package. Also ask me about <aptitude search>. |
| 00:20.15 | coldiso | how are devices mapped here : /sys/devices/virtual/input/ |
| 00:20.17 | coldiso | supposed to work |
| 00:20.18 | simonlnu | oh |
| 00:20.36 | coldiso | is this part of udev? |
| 00:20.42 | simonlnu | coldiso: goes by first seen IIRC. yes it is. |
| 00:21.34 | simonlnu | arietis: i use prosody. it just works for me. the logs are ok |
| 00:21.53 | blixt | basically my script will write the tmpfs for my log files to the SSD. |
| 00:22.42 | simonlnu | hook it into the init scripts. make one for the script, then write some relevant LSB headers for it at the top |
| 00:22.46 | blixt | In arch I would just drop it here /etc/rc.d/functions.d in archlinux |
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| 00:22.57 | blixt | simonlnu |
| 00:23.00 | blixt | thx |
| 00:23.05 | simonlnu | might be a better way, but that's off the top of my head |
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| 00:25.21 | blixt | here is how I did it in arch https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=1049767 |
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| 00:26.31 | blixt | Sure this could be useful for Debian users with SSDs too. |
| 00:29.53 | arietis | which is default jre for debian sid release? |
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| 00:30.40 | sysdef | debian sid got released? |
| 00:30.46 | coldiso | i am getting "(EE) PreInit failed for input device "appletouch" - but when i look at lsmod i see appletouch with 0 beside it and synaptics is not loaded. so i loaded up synaptics but i still get the error with xorg. is there some chain of events for loading that i am missing here? |
| 00:31.24 | coldiso | anyone spent any time with appletouch kernel module to be familar with this issue ? |
| 00:31.28 | blixt | so hooking with add_hook sysinit_end and add_hook shutdown_preumount is possible in Debian |
| 00:31.33 | sysdef | arietis: http://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=names&keywords=jre |
| 00:32.13 | arietis | sysdef: thanks |
| 00:32.18 | wald0 | is there a tool for save the list of packages installed and not installed ? so for example, ill do some tests and install a bunch of new packages, then i want to recover to the previous state (removing all of them and their dependiencies) dpkg --get-selections only shows installed packages so its useless for this |
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| 00:33.42 | blixt | a humble bump |
| 00:33.50 | themill | wald0: the list of installed package should be sufficient for that |
| 00:33.58 | octeris | wald0: All I am aware of is saving the output of dpkg -l and diff'ing it aftwards. |
| 00:34.04 | octeris | afterwards*, even. |
| 00:34.05 | coldiso | http://lists.debian.org/debian-x/2011/11/msg00270.html |
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| 00:34.12 | coldiso | ok that looks like what i am hitting |
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| 00:35.25 | l0rd_hex | I was reading this: http://www.debian.org/intro/about#disbelief |
| 00:35.39 | wald0 | mmmh, how i can do to generate a list of the lines that only exists in file2 and not in file1 ? (for such purpose) |
| 00:35.43 | l0rd_hex | how can I get my hands on this free sand? |
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| 00:37.22 | alfplayer | wald0: cat a b b | sort | uniq -u |
| 00:37.29 | alfplayer | equals a minus b |
| 00:37.35 | alfplayer | i haven't tried it |
| 00:37.51 | themill | wald0: com(1) can do that for you. But you don't even really need that information given that you can use dpkg --set-selections. |
| 00:38.35 | wald0 | themill: so by generating a list with get-selections, if i install new packages, they will be removed after to run set-selections ? |
| 00:38.38 | blixt | nobody knows a solid Debian way to do this? |
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| 00:41.57 | themill | wald0: you could set all selections to remove and then set the ones you want to keep back to install. dpkg doesn't actually act on what you tell it to do with selections |
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| 00:43.13 | wald0 | themill: what i want to do is something like a "snapshot" of the state of installed packages on my system, for example, if i try to install a bunch of packages just for test purposes that i dont want to maintain |
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| 00:45.44 | alfplayer | i've never had a need for that as the packages installed as dependencies get automatically removed when a package is removed |
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| 00:48.12 | themill | quite. Or there's chroots or VMs for disposable setups. But dpkg can still do this quite happily. |
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| 00:50.19 | wald0 | mmh, i think that my solution is to run a get-selections and compare it with a future generated one listing only the lines that exists in teh second result, for remove them |
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| 01:00.16 | MWallaceSD | Hi do you know if Debian Sarge repositories still working? |
| 01:00.30 | blixt | simonlnu there are quite a few init things. I would think I am looking for a rcK? |
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| 01:01.30 | tensorpudding | MWallaceSD, yes, not the originals but an archival mirror |
| 01:01.44 | tensorpudding | can't remember the url though |
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| 01:02.30 | MWallaceSD | Ok tensorpudding thanks |
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| 01:03.15 | tensorpudding | they have them up to and including hamm |
| 01:03.20 | tensorpudding | i set it up recently for woody |
| 01:03.33 | tensorpudding | on an ancient machine i salvaged from a closet |
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| 01:23.31 | MestreLion | hi there! small question: why debian still uses zlib 1.2.3 even for sid? thats from 2009... any particular reason not to use 1.2.4, 1.2.5 or 1.2.6? |
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| 01:31.04 | Iridos | because nobody packaged it since 2009? |
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| 01:33.14 | Iridos | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=588819 |
| 01:35.18 | Iridos | judd, versions zlib1g |
| 01:35.22 | judd | Package: zlib1g on i386 -- lenny: 1:1.2.3.3.dfsg-12; sid: 1:1.2.3.4.dfsg-3; squeeze: 1:1.2.3.4.dfsg-3; wheezy: 1:1.2.3.4.dfsg-3; experimental: 1:1.2.5.dfsg-1 |
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| 01:35.25 | Iridos | and there's 1.2.5 in experimental |
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| 01:36.59 | Iridos | MestreLion, ^^^ |
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| 01:45.13 | nsadmin | Iridos/MestreLion, note that experimental packages might not be able to fully install, remove, unpack, configure themselves |
| 01:45.36 | nsadmin | or purge |
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| 01:46.41 | Iridos | the bug mentions it |
| 01:46.49 | Iridos | it == the package |
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| 01:51.21 | nsadmin | so... are you Jimmy Carter? |
| 01:51.36 | nsadmin | or James Garner? |
| 01:51.51 | nsadmin | or Jennifer Garner? |
| 01:52.09 | nsadmin | or Jessica Alba? |
| 01:52.11 | Iridos | George Bush |
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| 01:52.37 | nsadmin | we played a song for bush... "He got BO" |
| 01:56.15 | nsadmin | and the instructions for singing that line were, obfuscate the pronounciation so they can't exactly tell what you're singing |
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| 01:58.10 | nsadmin | notjimcarrey, hey there... did you get everything working? |
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| 02:00.43 | notjimcarrey | with the internet, let's just say charter is pissing me off |
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| 02:27.38 | Yuqian | Anyone who can help me? |
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| 02:29.46 | z28 | Yuqian: my 'guess' is gcc-4.4-base is the package name that contains version gcc-4.4 compiler and support files. |
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| 02:34.01 | incog | hello |
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| 02:35.10 | arietis | i'm trying to set up ejabberd but i failed at step 5 https://git.process-one.net/ejabberd/mainline/blobs/raw/v2.1.10/doc/guide.html#initialadmin |
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| 02:41.46 | sunscreen | arr got to love my new andriod phone :D |
| 02:42.01 | sunscreen | connect via linux box using 'usb tethering" |
| 02:42.14 | sunscreen | hohoho |
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| 02:42.22 | penrod | greetings: I am trying to install amd64 port on an Intel xeon server , it seems to be hanging for a very long time, is there any known issues with a xeon processor ? |
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| 02:46.27 | Ray2 | In the description for grub-0.97 and grub2-1.98 it says dummy package...what is this??? |
| 02:46.49 | sunscreen | the new avlinux 5.0.2 is epical :D |
| 02:48.35 | alexb_1 | Hi all, I've just installed squeeze 6.0.4 and encrypted partition. now, I get "unable to find lvm volume" error. how do I fix it? It's unbelievable! it's 6.0.4 and I have to deal with such problems after plain installation... :-((( thanks. |
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| 02:50.10 | sunscreen | does the latest debians sport a 3.0 linux kernel? |
| 02:50.23 | sunscreen | Linux audioprocessor 3.0.6-avl-5 #10 SMP PREEMPT Thu Oct 20 21:37:49 EDT 2011 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 02:50.48 | somiaj | sunscreen: there are even backports for 3.1 or 3.2 kernels to make the installing of such a kernel easy |
| 02:51.15 | somiaj | sunscreen: though it is recomended you use the 2.6.32 kernel unless you have paticular hardware reasons to need the backported one, but it runs just fine. |
| 02:52.28 | sunscreen | somiaj, thats the kernel i use with my BFS patch on my older avlinux system i have |
| 02:52.34 | sunscreen | 2,6,32 |
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| 02:52.45 | sunscreen | or there about at any rate :) |
| 02:53.09 | sunscreen | runs like a dream i hope this one lives up to the scratch seems really nice so far though |
| 02:53.33 | somiaj | sunscreen: well that was the kernel that got frozen and stabalized with squeeze so all of the bug testing and the likes is done with that kernel. Note debian does security patch the kernels, so that isn't an issue with the kernel. Lack of hardware support does crop up on new machines though. |
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| 02:55.34 | sunscreen | somiaj, debian > * :) |
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| 03:06.56 | MestreLion | im sorry, i was afk for severalo hours, just read what you guys said... Iridos, nsadmin , are you there? |
| 03:07.18 | MestreLion | (still) there i mean :P |
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| 03:11.45 | MestreLion | its strange that no one was interested in packaging upstream upgrades for such a core package... specially since this one looks so straight-forward to package |
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| 03:12.19 | somiaj | MestreLion: what do you mean? |
| 03:12.32 | somiaj | MestreLion: making backports of core packages such as libc6 and the like? |
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| 03:14.06 | MestreLion | no somiaj ... upgrading zlib from 1.2.3 to 1.2.5 or 1.2.6 |
| 03:14.19 | MestreLion | current version in sid is from Oct 2009 |
| 03:15.01 | somiaj | MestreLion: have you checked the QA page, also there is a nice page about packages that debian matainers. Sometimes you can find out why the upstream version is so far different than debian sid. |
| 03:15.12 | somiaj | packages that need debian matainers |
| 03:15.41 | MestreLion | nice... how can i if there is such page for zlib? |
| 03:15.47 | MestreLion | find* |
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| 03:16.44 | jexmex | anybody here have samba foo skills? |
| 03:17.18 | somiaj | MestreLion: I goto the packages.debian.org page for the package then there are lots of links on the right that can give you various info on that package. |
| 03:17.46 | somiaj | MestreLion: also check the bts, if there isn't a wishlist bug, one common wishlist bug is 'package a newer upstream version' |
| 03:17.52 | MestreLion | thank you somiaj , ill try that |
| 03:17.54 | somiaj | MestreLion: so if there isn't a wishlist bug for that you can submit one |
| 03:18.35 | somiaj | MestreLion: http://packages.qa.debian.org/z/zlib.html -- seems 1.2.5 has been put into experimential, so might be somethign wrong with it integrating with the rest of the system |
| 03:18.46 | MestreLion | there is a wishlist bug from 2010 already... all it says is that it was marked as wishlist... |
| 03:19.28 | somiaj | MestreLion: yea check though the bts/maling list might find a bit more info. It could also just be that that package has no active matainers |
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| 03:21.04 | MestreLion | ok, I was able to reach the same URL you pasted here... if there were any of those "hints" you mentioned, where yould they be? |
| 03:21.05 | somiaj | yea seems like the matainer is probabaly to busy, see multiple notes about 'package is priority standard or higher, find co-maintainers' and '2 bugs needed help with' |
| 03:22.29 | MestreLion | where are you seeing such notes? |
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| 03:24.14 | somiaj | http://packages.qa.debian.org/z/zlib.html -- look under 'todo' and 'problems' |
| 03:24.40 | somiaj | againt that and the bts are probabaly the best informative pages for summeries, parsing though mailing lists will give you the most accurate info though |
| 03:25.35 | somiaj | but from that just seems it is one of the undermatained packages, and not only is it lagging behind the upstream version, there are debian/policy packagin issues that need to be addressed. |
| 03:26.42 | MestreLion | so, basically, it needs love? |
| 03:27.20 | somiaj | yup |
| 03:28.00 | MestreLion | is this "find co-maintainers" an automatically generated entry? what triggered that? |
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| 03:29.25 | somiaj | no real clue, I only basically know what those pages tell me |
| 03:29.41 | MestreLion | thats a nice page i didnt even know about |
| 03:30.16 | MestreLion | im new to linux, and trying to learn more about system internals.. so i started studying Linux From Scratch project... |
| 03:31.21 | MestreLion | its still surprising that such a package is lacking maintainers... it seems to be needed very early in the building process |
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| 03:31.54 | MestreLion | wish I had the skills to help |
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| 03:32.27 | somiaj | it probabaly works as intended and over all doesn't effect the system to be slightly behind upstream. This whole newer is better isn't always true. Sometimes it takes a lot to integrate a newer version depending on how things change. |
| 03:32.52 | jexmex | is there a samba 3.6.x package somewhere? |
| 03:33.14 | somiaj | ,versions samba |
| 03:33.16 | judd | Package: samba on i386 -- lenny: 2:3.2.5-4lenny15; lenny-security: 2:3.2.5-4lenny15; lenny-backports: 2:3.5.6~dfsg-3~bpo50+1; squeeze-security: 2:3.5.6~dfsg-3squeeze5; squeeze: 2:3.5.6~dfsg-3squeeze6; squeeze-backports: 2:3.5.11~dfsg-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 2:3.6.1-3; sid: 2:3.6.2-1 |
| 03:33.20 | covi | Hi all! Question: If I am to install Debian with my USB drive, do I have to use 'debian-live-6.0.3-i386-gnome-desktop.img'? I tried to burn the corresponding .iso but I failed to install :( |
| 03:33.36 | somiaj | jexmex: you could make your own backport from the wheezy/sid version, /msg dpkg ssbp |
| 03:33.42 | somiaj | jexmex: but there isn't one already made |
| 03:33.58 | jexmex | think I am in way over my head |
| 03:34.12 | somiaj | jexmex: any raeson why you have to have 3.6 over the version 3.5 in squeeze? |
| 03:34.30 | jexmex | hopefully to take care of win7 issues |
| 03:34.37 | jexmex | cannot get it to use the share without user/pass |
| 03:34.42 | MestreLion | true somiaj ... its a zip archiver lib anyway, i was surprised that such code would still get new versions and features |
| 03:35.11 | somiaj | jexmex: I'd make sure it is somethign samba could do, but the process to build your own backport isn't that difficult, most of it is automatic |
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| 03:35.40 | somiaj | covi: if you have a good network using the netinstall iso requires the minimial initial download |
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| 03:35.56 | MestreLion | 1.2.6 was released yesterday... I wonder what is there to improve on zip format |
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| 03:36.02 | somiaj | covi: as for using those live images, make sure you grab the correct live image. |
| 03:36.13 | MestreLion | i mean... to improve in code that handles an ancient format in 2012 |
| 03:36.14 | somiaj | MestreLion: goto the upstream webpage, look at the changelog |
| 03:36.31 | covi | somiaj: My question is, it seems that .iso does not support installation with usb drive. |
| 03:36.34 | somiaj | MestreLion: it could be small things, bug fix, small code optimizations. But it is all documented |
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| 03:36.48 | somiaj | covi: what image did you grab, the debian live have various images |
| 03:36.56 | covi | somiaj: it asked me to take care of some cd-drive issues, without recognizing i'm installing using a usb |
| 03:37.12 | covi | somiaj: this one: debian-live-6.0.3-i386-gnome-desktop.iso |
| 03:37.13 | somiaj | covi: i.e. the iso-hybrid images are .iso files |
| 03:37.28 | MestreLion | i was there earlier... looks like most of work from last 2 years was improving / fixing the build / make process |
| 03:37.35 | somiaj | covi: but which one, is it the usb-hdd image, is it the bt-hdd image? |
| 03:38.01 | covi | somiaj: I'm not sure. Do I have to use usb-hdd image in order for the usb installation to work? |
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| 03:38.14 | somiaj | covi: the .img file I think is the usb-hdd image, and this cannot be put onto cd drives and has to be written to the usb drive cdirectally |
| 03:38.28 | Walhter | Hi, if I boot into Recovery Console is it safe to resize root partition? |
| 03:38.35 | covi | somiaj: thanks! it clears the thing out. I'll download the usb-hdd image ;) |
| 03:38.36 | MestreLion | anyway, thanks for the useful URL... i didnt know such QA website even existed... its indeed great to "take a glance" at a given package.. thanks somiaj |
| 03:38.42 | somiaj | covi: usb-hdd and iso-hybrid can both work on usb drives, though not both may boot depending on the bios, mose are suggested to use the iso-hybrid |
| 03:38.59 | covi | somiaj: ... |
| 03:39.30 | somiaj | Walhter: some of the tools on the recovery console may not be as good as using a full live system to resize partitions |
| 03:39.35 | covi | somiaj: I can boot the iso, but I couldn't find a "place" to install. It asked me to configure my keyboard, location, CD driver, etc. |
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| 03:40.09 | somiaj | Walhter: and you should always backup data before messing with partition sizes for safty |
| 03:40.33 | somiaj | covi: what option did you chose to boot, did you choose the 'live' or 'live 686' option, or did you go with 'text install' |
| 03:41.02 | covi | somiaj: I went with 'gui install' |
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| 03:41.39 | somiaj | covi: well on the gnome-live you should boot into the live system first and then once you do that, you can choose the debian installer right from the desktop |
| 03:42.17 | covi | somiaj: I see! |
| 03:42.26 | covi | somiaj: I'll give it a try. Thanks :D |
| 03:42.38 | Walhter | somiaj: I have LVM and ext4 partition on /, I read that it is not safe to resize root volume on live system. But if I boot only into recover console umount root. It should be fine. |
| 03:42.45 | covi | somiaj: the 'live' option right? |
| 03:42.45 | somiaj | covi: and as for installers I prefer the expert-text mode on the netinstall (cause it gives you the most options) |
| 03:43.26 | somiaj | Walhter: ahh yea I don't know anything about LVM issues, always a layer of abstraction I have never needed on my personal machines and I don't work as a sysadmin |
| 03:44.30 | Walhter | somiaj: yeah.. I don't know why I deid it. It sounded like good idea. |
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| 03:45.01 | somiaj | Walhter: its a good experience and I should learn to play with it. But I don't see the point to have an additional layer to deal with on a desktop system personally. |
| 03:45.05 | cardamon | Hey guys, I'm wondering where to look for getting simultaneous audio. Right now browsers, mpd, and games seem to run audio independently, and whichever one was running first is what I hear. |
| 03:45.53 | somiaj | Walhter: My main comment is the recovery boot on say a debian installer is limited in many cases to an actually live system. But I am unsure of any issues to worry about in modify lvm via that. |
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| 03:46.37 | somiaj | cardamon: with alsa dmix doesn't work on all cards and is enabled by default -- but if you use a custom .asoundrc file you can overwrite the dmix default and loose it on your shoud card |
| 03:47.10 | somiaj | cardamon: some find using a sound server like pulseaudio a way to fix the issue (I just personally hope for a better software mixer in alsa, dmix always seemd a bit confusing to configure to me) |
| 03:47.25 | cardamon | Typing on a phone? |
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| 03:48.06 | somiaj | no, I'm just a bad typer |
| 03:48.15 | Walhter | somiaj: I wanted to move my stuff to new 10k drive. Maybe I could just part it and cp the content and forget about the LVM |
| 03:48.34 | somiaj | Walhter: I'd use rsync, but yea cp -a works to. (: |
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| 03:49.03 | somiaj | cardamon: do you use a custom .asoundrc file (even to set the default sound card) on your system? |
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| 03:49.09 | Walhter | somiaj: I would love to use dd, but new drive is smaller |
| 03:49.19 | ikla | im doing a debian net install and keep getting an archive mirror error |
| 03:49.21 | ikla | any ideas? |
| 03:49.34 | somiaj | Walhter: I prefer rsync and copying the data, dd the whole file system is sometimes overkill |
| 03:49.36 | ikla | bad archive mirror |
| 03:49.46 | somiaj | ikla: have you tried to pick another mirror? |
| 03:49.52 | ikla | yes |
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| 03:50.14 | somiaj | no clue...:( |
| 03:50.46 | somiaj | ikla: one thing you can do is the netinstall contains a full base system, so you can skip the network part and install a base system. From there you can get things running normally and not have to worry about installer issues |
| 03:50.57 | ikla | I'm doing a pxe install |
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| 03:52.15 | somiaj | ikla: http://goodbye-windows.com/debian/ -- that is what I found |
| 03:52.26 | somiaj | ikla: Q5 seems to address the question, see if that helps |
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| 04:03.09 | cardamon | ughhhh |
| 04:03.14 | cardamon | I've fixed this before. |
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| 04:08.08 | somiaj | cardamon: you need software mixing. You are using alsa? Have you done anything with .asoundrc to change what sound card is default? |
| 04:09.43 | cardamon | somiaj: nope. Don't have one. Did install pulseaudio, add things to /etc/asound.conf, and started the daemon. That's what everything's going through right now. |
| 04:10.39 | cardamon | But still...mpd/ncmcpp and my play to each other's exclusion. |
| 04:11.34 | somiaj | cardamon: I don't know to much about pulseaudio, but have you ran the pulseaudio daemon and have it connect tot your sound card then confgure your other devices to use pulseaudio? |
| 04:12.00 | cardamon | somiaj: Indvidually? |
| 04:12.34 | somiaj | correct, you will have to tell your apps to use pulseaudio as their sound device |
| 04:12.56 | somiaj | sorry not devices, applications (such as your media player, webbrowser, etc) |
| 04:12.58 | cardamon | One is really old. Not sure how to do that. |
| 04:13.28 | ikla | soniaj, I'm still getting the same error |
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| 04:14.59 | somiaj | ikla: I just tried a google search. There is an access log, and other logs I belive you can read to get a better idea what is failing as opposed to some generic error |
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| 04:16.03 | ikla | mirror doesn't support the specified release squeeze |
| 04:16.07 | ikla | every mirror? lol |
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| 04:18.08 | cardamon | Yeah, that didn't work either. Just setting up and using pulseaudio didn't work. |
| 04:18.13 | cardamon | Back to the drawing board. |
| 04:18.39 | cardamon | Plus, no clue how to tell Google Chrome to use pulseaudio for |
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| 04:19.27 | j4m | Is it possible to get pure-ftpd to run from a config file? |
| 04:19.45 | somiaj | cardamon: what sound card? |
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| 04:21.23 | cardamon | Either 00:14.2 Audio device [0403]: ATI Technologies Inc SBx00 Azalia (Intel HDA) [1002:4383] or 01:00.1 Audio device [0403]: nVidia Corporation HDMI Audio stub [10de:0e08] (rev a1). I think it's the first one. Stub sounts like the addon port in the front of my case. |
| 04:22.17 | somiaj | cardamon: cat /proc/asound/cards -- hmm I thought dmix worked just fine on the intel hda device. |
| 04:22.57 | ikla | somiaj, fixed networking issue |
| 04:23.16 | cardamon | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:23.17 | cardamon | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:23.30 | cardamon | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:23.47 | somiaj | ikla: good, I'd hate to think you couldn't install debian, that would be a shame |
| 04:23.58 | somiaj | cardamon: ls ~/.asoundrc (you don't have anything there do you)? |
| 04:24.08 | cardamon | nope. But I have... |
| 04:24.47 | cardamon | http://paste.debian.net/154133/ in /etc/asound.conf |
| 04:24.49 | somiaj | cardamon: how about /etc/asound.conf |
| 04:26.37 | somiaj | cardamon: hmm, well with no /etc/asound.conf and no ~/.asoundrc (and try again -- dmix should be enabled and working by default) |
| 04:26.45 | somiaj | cardamon: but a custom asound.conf file will overwrite this |
| 04:27.20 | somiaj | cardamon: http://wiki.debian.org/ALSA#Sharing_a_card_among_multiple_processes |
| 04:27.23 | cardamon | somiaj: Kill pulse too? |
| 04:27.42 | somiaj | cardamon: yea kill the process, because if dmix will work for you, I'd say just go that route. |
| 04:27.58 | somiaj | cardamon: you don't have to unistall it, just testing things to see if you can get it to work without pulseaudio. |
| 04:28.09 | yodaboy22 | my debian installation seems to be missing a lot of packages |
| 04:28.17 | yodaboy22 | the one i am concerned with is gcc |
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| 04:28.30 | yodaboy22 | i can't seem to find one that will install |
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| 04:28.42 | somiaj | yodaboy22: then install them, put a copy of your /etc/apt/sources.list at paste.debian.net |
| 04:28.53 | freddofrog | hi |
| 04:29.01 | somiaj | yodaboy22: my guess is you only have say cd1 sources and didn't set up internet repos |
| 04:29.13 | freddofrog | does debian currently use grub1 or grub2 ? |
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| 04:29.38 | somiaj | freddofrog: grub2 (though it is version 1.99) |
| 04:29.42 | yodaboy22 | somiaj: that sounds right because my debian didn't install with the right internet driver |
| 04:29.53 | yodaboy22 | so I'll google solutuions for that |
| 04:29.55 | somiaj | freddofrog: as of lenny, but squeeze uses grub2 by default. |
| 04:30.05 | somiaj | yodaboy22: is your system on the internet yet? |
| 04:30.09 | Covi | Emergency question: I just installed Debian with my USB drive, along with a previously installed Win7. After the installation was complete, all I got was a black screen saying 'error: file not found. rub rescue>'. |
| 04:30.17 | freddofrog | somiaj: what limitiations does 1.99 imply? |
| 04:30.19 | somiaj | !tell yodaboy22 about sources.list |
| 04:30.22 | yodaboy22 | somiaj: yeah, but it didn't start like that |
| 04:30.25 | Covi | somiaj: Hi somiaj... I installed succesffully but the above question occured... |
| 04:30.45 | somiaj | freddofrog: none, I just always wondered why they called it grub2 despite 1.99 version. (: |
| 04:30.50 | somiaj | freddofrog: it's grub2 by default. |
| 04:30.54 | freddofrog | ahh ok... I see |
| 04:30.55 | yodaboy22 | somiaj: I would love for you to help me but I'm on a phone |
| 04:31.05 | yodaboy22 | so i can't show you any of my problems |
| 04:31.39 | somiaj | yodaboy22: follow that factoid, it will just take editing sources.list, removing the cd enteries, adding the internet enteries, apt-get update and you can install anything |
| 04:31.52 | freddofrog | somaij: essentially I'm looking to install linux distro that only uses one partition table entry... I know that grub2 is necessary for that (lvm2 support) but is there anything else that would prevent me doing that with squeeze? |
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| 04:32.08 | somiaj | Covi: so it isn't booting? Sounds like grub failed to install, you'll have to boot into rescue mode, and reinstall grub most likley |
| 04:32.12 | Covi | my effort: I ran 'root=hd0,msdos7', 'prefix=(hd0,msdos7)/boot/grub', and 'insmod normal', but I got 'error: file not found.' |
| 04:32.43 | somiaj | freddofrog: nope, you only need a root partition (single partition) |
| 04:32.48 | Covi | somiaj: which boot option is that? and what procedures should I follow? |
| 04:33.03 | somiaj | freddofrog: but a swap partition is highly suggested and other patitions depending on how you like your data aranged. |
| 04:33.24 | somiaj | Covi: on the debian installer I think there is a rescue=/dev/rootdev |
| 04:33.40 | somiaj | Covi: you can also use a live system, and just chroot into your install and do things from teh cli |
| 04:34.39 | freddofrog | somiaj: indeed swap is vital (and a swap file is never a good idea IMHO, and I'd like to keep /home separate too, hence I want to put it all into a single LVM PV) |
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| 04:35.30 | somiaj | freddofrog: I don't use swap on my desktop but 12gigs of ram on a machine that nevr uses more than 2-3 gigs |
| 04:35.45 | somiaj | freddofrog: yes the installer supports LVM (but I have no experience with it) |
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| 04:39.45 | freddofrog | somiaj: ok thanks. I'm d/l squeeze as we speak.. I've never actually played with debian before so this should be interesting :) |
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| 04:41.08 | somiaj | freddofrog: resist the urge to install anything from testing. Read up on backports. |
| 04:41.27 | somiaj | freddofrog: common debian mistake, installing testing because stable is frozen and slightly older than other distros. |
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| 04:41.44 | freddofrog | somiaj: I won't actually be installing much... I'll be running most things in VM's |
| 04:43.00 | ikla | does someone maintain latest firefox/tbird packages for squeeze? |
| 04:43.32 | somiaj | ikla: they are rebranded in debian, iceweasle/icedove |
| 04:44.03 | somiaj | ikla: mozilla.debian.net is a place to look. Though the versions in squeeze are a bit outdated due to the freeze and firefoxes lets release a new version every couple of months trend as of late |
| 04:44.16 | somiaj | ,versions iceweasel |
| 04:44.17 | judd | Package: iceweasel on i386 -- lenny: 3.0.6-3; lenny-security: 3.0.6-3; lenny-backports: 3.5.16-11~bpo50+1; squeeze: 3.5.16-11; squeeze-security: 3.5.16-11; sid: 9.0.1-1; wheezy: 9.0.1-1; experimental: 10.0~b6-1 |
| 04:44.41 | somiaj | you could backport 9.0 from sid, not sure how the backports on mozilla.debian.net stand up |
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| 04:46.57 | ikla | somiaj, how about xfce 4.8 on squeeze? |
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| 04:47.07 | somiaj | ,versions xfce |
| 04:47.08 | judd | No package named 'xfce' was found in i386. |
| 04:47.27 | somiaj | ,versions xfce4 |
| 04:47.28 | judd | Package: xfce4 on i386 -- lenny: 4.4.2.1; lenny-backports: 4.6.1.1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 4.6.2; sid: 4.8.0.3; wheezy: 4.8.0.3 |
| 04:47.43 | somiaj | you are stuck with 4.6 unless you want to compile your own backport |
| 04:47.53 | somiaj | this may not be an easy task due to eh sure size of the desktop |
| 04:48.15 | ikla | do most ppl run sid or squeeze for desktops? |
| 04:48.32 | somiaj | it is suggested you run squeeze |
| 04:48.48 | somiaj | (I run sid, and many do, but if you have to ask what to run run stable) |
| 04:49.15 | ikla | sid pretty solid usually? |
| 04:49.15 | somiaj | take some time learning how debian does things, its package manager, backports and the likes. If you want to use a broken system after that you will have a better chance at keeping it running |
| 04:49.38 | somiaj | ikla: I have never expereinced a system destruction bug in the 10 years I've used it (though there are bugs that have wiped out many systems) |
| 04:50.09 | somiaj | ikla: on the other hand I have small to major things to fix every time I upgrade (every few months or longer, once my system is running I leave it alone as long as I can) |
| 04:50.34 | ikla | I haven't run debian for 8 years |
| 04:50.49 | somiaj | I have had bugs take out my system and require using resuce cd's to get it back up, almost every update has some bug in it, though many are minor, some are major (like the nvidia api conflict a few months back) |
| 04:50.53 | ikla | 2.0 days |
| 04:51.21 | somiaj | ikla: due to updateing my install, my sid install is 6 years old (installed a fesh amd64 in 2006 and been just updating it since then) |
| 04:51.31 | Rusty1 | system bug != de bug |
| 04:52.28 | ikla | sid have xfce4.8? |
| 04:52.42 | somiaj | ikla: if you know what apt/dpkg are telling you and understand debian, the bts and its poicies, fixing/dealing with the sid bugs is totally doable. but for someone new learn stable, as then you can learn the system where everythign is integrated and works nice |
| 04:52.46 | somiaj | ikla: yes |
| 04:53.20 | somiaj | ikla: but I'd say spend a few months or so on squeeze at least, there is lots of testing/quality control on squeeze and as long as you stick to that things work nicely. |
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| 04:57.57 | Covi | somiaj: nightmare.. |
| 04:58.35 | Covi | somiaj: I now boot into the live debian and open up the terminal (as superuser). What should I do to get the grub back? |
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| 05:02.48 | somiaj | Covi: you have sudo, so that will be your root ability |
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| 05:03.30 | Covi | somiaj: I ran 'sudo grub-install' but the grub-install command was not found |
| 05:03.39 | somiaj | Covi: 1) mount your root file system somewhere, 2) mount --bind proc, dev, and tmp inside the root partition, 3) chroot root parititon. and then you are inside your intall |
| 05:03.42 | somiaj | Covi: from there you can fix grub |
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| 05:05.23 | Covi | somiaj: I have absolutely no idea what those actions mean and how should I do them. Can you please provide the detailed commands? |
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| 05:09.50 | overclucker | Covi: you could try supergrubdisk2 if you don't want to do it manually |
| 05:10.27 | Rusty1 | or ask on #grub |
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| 05:17.14 | Covi | overclucker: I'll look into it. Thanks! |
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| 05:21.32 | overclucker | Covi: it can install grub into the mbr or just get you booted into the system. if you don't have grub for some reason. use it to boot in, and install the grub-pc package |
| 05:22.30 | Covi | overclucker: I can now use the debian live usb drive to boot in. Can I just install the grub-pc package from there? |
| 05:24.30 | overclucker | Covi: if you are running off the live usb, you'll need to chroot first like somiaj suggested. |
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| 05:26.59 | Covi | overclucker: exactly 'chroot WHAT' command? |
| 05:28.01 | overclucker | Covi: into the debian install |
| 05:28.25 | Covi | what directory would that be? |
| 05:29.29 | Covi | is it the /media/2c9dd8bb-2beb-[.....]? |
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| 05:31.12 | r3m | Hi, someone knows how to create a 500 mb file, containing nothing? |
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| 05:34.08 | overclucker | r3m: dd if=/dev/zero of=filename bs=1M count=500 |
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| 05:35.41 | overclucker | Covi: if that's where you installed debian. |
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| 06:14.25 | nuub | Hello all. I cant run x-server-emulator as root, it fails to recognize the correct password which is successful in a real terminal. I suspect this issue was caused by me mistakenly changing the ownership of /bin . I changed this back to root but still have the problem. Any suggestions would be most appeciated. |
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| 06:24.42 | overclucker | nuub: did you fix the permissions of the files in /bin? |
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| 06:59.32 | nuub | overclucker: hi ..I havent made any changes to any permissions to these files. On inspection, they all appear to be owned by root |
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| 07:08.10 | gnarface | nuub: you should see rwxr-xr-x on most of them |
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| 07:10.02 | overclucker | nuub: here, you can use this for reference: http://paste.debian.net/154137/ |
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| 07:11.54 | overclucker | nuub: actually use this one: http://paste.debian.net/154138/ the other was colorfied |
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| 07:20.52 | LinuxApprentice | ahoy fellow debian junkies! |
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| 07:22.35 | nuub | overclucker: cheers...the permissions shown on my files look like they match those shown in the paste |
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| 07:27.58 | docgnome_ | hrm |
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| 08:10.03 | delby | hi. i am running squeeze. i added backports to my sources.list. from http://backports-master.debian.org/Instructions/ i understood that packages will not be installed from backports unless i specify, but when i installed firmware-linux, it did install from backports. this is not a problem for me for that particular package, but i want to understand haw to avoid it for others. thanks |
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| 08:25.47 | somiaj | delby: look at apt-cache policy <pkgname> |
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| 08:29.09 | BoyOfWuHan | somiaj : when I use apt-get install ,,how can I special pakge source |
| 08:29.28 | nuub | Hello all. I cant run x-server-emulator as root, it fails to recognize the correct password which is successful in a real terminal. I suspect this issue was caused by me mistakenly changing the ownership of /bin . I changed this back to root but still have the problem. Any suggestions would be most appeciated. |
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| 08:29.46 | BoyOfWuHan | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:29.50 | somiaj | BoyOfWuHan: apt-cache source package |
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| 08:30.08 | somiaj | BoyOfWuHan: or apt-cache -t squeeze-backports install pkg? |
| 08:30.47 | BoyOfWuHan | thanks a lot |
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| 08:30.56 | BoyOfWuHan | somiaj: thanks |
| 08:31.21 | delby | somiaj: ok, i looked. it shows package was installed from backports, and it says '100 http://backports....' which i presume confirms that it was pinned 100, but i'm not sure. i still dont understand why was it pulled from backports. |
| 08:32.23 | somiaj | delby: look at how another one is pinned, I'm not sure why that one is pulling from backports as opposed to pinned correctly. |
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| 08:33.15 | delby | somiaj: i did, for example vim is 500 and was pulled from main repo as it should |
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| 08:34.43 | delby | somiaj: thanks, i posted the same question in #debian-backports now and still waiting for answer there. |
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| 08:34.49 | somiaj | delby: apt-cache policy will tell you what apt think it should install. I am unsure what is special about the firmware package to have a different pinning, maybe it is because it is non-free? (I would suggest checking the policy of another non-free package |
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| 08:38.11 | delby | somiaj: i think you right that it is related to non-free. i checked firmware-linux-free and it was pulled from main repo, as opposed to firmware-linux-nonfree that was pulled from backports. |
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| 08:38.51 | somiaj | it might be that the default pinning only effects the 'main' section, which to me sounds like a bug. But I would check some packages from contrib and non-free (besides just that one) before comming to that conclusion |
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| 08:40.02 | delby | somiaj: sorry sorry sorry. it was all my mistake, this is a new install i did today and i had an error in my sources.list :( |
| 08:40.55 | somiaj | did you not have non-free repos set up for the regular squeeze sources? |
| 08:41.39 | delby | i did by i had a typo there |
| 08:41.51 | delby | s/by/but |
| 08:42.09 | somiaj | ahh, so there just was no installation canidate for the higher pinned package. (: |
| 08:42.16 | somiaj | well glad you got it figured out. |
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| 08:43.05 | delby | exactly. thanks and sorry for wasting you time |
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| 08:49.01 | dannN | Hi, we had an problem with our server and afterwards we had to reinstall our debian 6.0 webserver. we had made an backup of /var/vmail. The server administration works with ISPConfig3. Is there a possibility to restore all mails in /var/vmail? |
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| 08:52.19 | fasta | On reboot, my graphical sessions stopped working. I was able to get one live cd graphical session working, but not another. The one that worked used software rendering. How can I configure software rendering on Debian? |
| 08:52.46 | fasta | I basically get a black screen currently, but I can login to the machine via ssh. |
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| 09:09.46 | deeLer | I'm having trouble removing a file with special chars; find . -inum 8719004 -exec rm -i {} \; find: `./Ce\314\201le\314\200stine.png': No such file or directory |
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| 09:10.13 | deeLer | the file was created with a Mac OSX and put on a Linux Samba server |
| 09:10.23 | jelly-home | deeLer: find . -inum 8719004 -delete |
| 09:10.55 | deeLer | jelly-home, same result |
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| 09:11.38 | jelly-home | or just press Tab after "rm ./Ce" in any decent shell |
| 09:11.58 | deeLer | rm Célèstine.png |
| 09:11.58 | deeLer | rm: cannot remove `Ce\314\201le\314\200stine.png': No such file or directory |
| 09:12.15 | deeLer | no luck either jelly-home |
| 09:12.19 | jelly-home | deeLer: which debian release is this? |
| 09:12.33 | deeLer | Linux DNS-313 2.6.15 #2 Tue Sep 23 21:25:49 CEST 2008 armv4l GNU/Linux |
| 09:12.42 | deeLer | u thiink its squueze |
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| 09:13.09 | jelly-home | deeLer: cat /etc/debian_version; COLUMNS=100 dpkg -l libc6 |tail -1 |
| 09:14.20 | deeLer | 5.0.8 |
| 09:14.21 | deeLer | ii libc6 2.7-18lenny7 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 09:14.43 | jelly-home | ok, so it appears to be lenny (Debian 5) |
| 09:14.49 | deeLer | yeah |
| 09:15.46 | jelly-home | I have no idea why find's internal -delete would fail |
| 09:16.06 | deeLer | me neither .... is there another way to directly delete an inode |
| 09:16.18 | jelly-home | deeLer: try changing the locale: LC_ALL=C find . -inum 8719004 -delete |
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| 09:17.30 | deeLer | jelly-home, is it safe for other programs to change the locale? |
| 09:17.37 | tomboy_ | Something is spinning the disks up. It just ceased, how do I find it? |
| 09:18.23 | tomboy_ | meant to imply that it wasn't necessary; has started all the daemons by hand. |
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| 09:19.19 | jelly-home | deeLer: that line makes just that one command run with a different locale setting |
| 09:19.24 | tomboy_ | I mean, I need to run something now, and then something late, then diff. What's the something? Memory hungry process writing to swap a lot. |
| 09:19.28 | deeLer | oh maybe this can help: I don't need the file's parent directory |
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| 09:19.58 | deeLer | ok, no luck jelly-home |
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| 09:21.10 | jelly-home | deeLer: no idea then, apart from deleting it from debugfs and doing an immediate fsck after that |
| 09:21.43 | anddam | hello |
| 09:21.52 | jelly-home | deeLer: I don't remember the exact procedure. Be very careful with debugfs. |
| 09:22.05 | anddam | has anyone any pointer to offer VNC session as service for all users? |
| 09:22.18 | anddam | that is I read the dpkg's info about vnc and related, x11vnc tightvnc and so |
| 09:22.34 | anddam | I start the server from my user (ssh tunneled) and I can correctly login |
| 09:22.36 | tomboy_ | talks herself into the answer: ps -A > a wait for it ps -A > b & diff a b ( to hunt down a pesky, mystery process ) |
| 09:22.52 | deeLer | jelly-home, thank for the advice, I'm not gonna try it, it runs on a DNS-313 and there is no console, so there is some risk rendering the system unbootable |
| 09:22.58 | anddam | when I close conncetion the server ends, I need to make it a respawning server |
| 09:23.10 | deeLer | I guess I'll just leave the file there |
| 09:23.17 | anddam | or if there's already such a service in debian I'd gladly learn its name |
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| 09:23.35 | anddam | maybe sort of xdm on vnc? |
| 09:23.41 | jelly-home | deeLer: or try wiping it via samba, the way it got there |
| 09:24.05 | jelly-home | deeLer: or a different shell, zsh perhaps |
| 09:24.32 | themill | tomboy_: iotop or watch -d might be helpful |
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| 09:24.54 | kaliya | HI, i chrooted an environment on debian but I have gcc issues (users can't properly include .h files); is there a way to install gcc in the chrooted enviornment, or suggestions? thank you |
| 09:25.18 | jelly-home | mumbles something about /proc/sys/vm/block_dump |
| 09:25.19 | deeLer | jelly-home, ok thanks ... let me try that |
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| 09:26.48 | jelly-home | kaliya: uh, just install it? Did you create the chroot with debootstrap or some other way? |
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| 09:33.23 | bolt | E: Release file expired, ignoring http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/dists/squeeze-updates/Release (invalid since 143d 13h 9min 54s) |
| 09:33.27 | bolt | hmmz |
| 09:33.46 | jelly-home | use a different mirror |
| 09:34.10 | bzed | bolt: the kernel.org mirror is not being updated since they had the security issue on their systems |
| 09:34.14 | deeLer | jelly-home, it worked, strange thing : MacOSX immedialty wiped the file, just by browsing that smb folder |
| 09:34.32 | deeLer | oh well |
| 09:34.46 | jelly-home | I have no idea what happened there |
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| 09:45.17 | raboof | hi. I can usually connect to WPA WiFi networks fine, but sometimes I encounter an accesspoint that shows up in nm-applet fine, but when I click it, I am never prompted for a password |
| 09:45.24 | raboof | how can I fix this? |
| 09:46.04 | raboof | nothing blatently obvious in /var/log/syslog and /var/log/messages, but I don't really know what to look for |
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| 09:53.27 | raboof | looking at 'iwscan list', the main difference I see is it uses TKIP as 'Group Cipher' |
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| 09:55.11 | BoyOfWuHan | I used pidgin client.. |
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| 09:56.43 | raboof | BoyOfWuHan: does googling for 'pidgin irc hide' yield anything useful? |
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| 10:01.15 | weasel00 | just did a kernel update on squeeze and now i cant lease a ip4 address. cant find a solution online... |
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| 10:03.02 | miadbahrami | help me for ssh to virtualbox ( os debian) |
| 10:03.09 | tosse_ | has any drivers been removed in the installer kernel between 6.0.3 and 6.0.4? |
| 10:04.01 | tosse_ | im using pxe boot and downloaded the new initrd.gz and linux installer kenerls and boot them through pxe, worked fine in a vmware image before but now it does not find any disks |
| 10:04.37 | weasel00 | tosse_: notebook? |
| 10:04.53 | tosse_ | weasel00: vmware esxi4 |
| 10:05.20 | weasel00 | tosse_: default scsi emulator? |
| 10:05.38 | tosse_ | weasel00: yes, the lsi parallell |
| 10:06.02 | milligan | Are there any virtual machine emulators that support 3d graphics etc yet? I'm getting tired of booting into windows to play my games .. Is a virtual machine even a viable option for gaming ? |
| 10:06.14 | gentz | I have lots of related data scattered across many hard disks. what's a good way to unify/black box them into a single coherent filesystem? |
| 10:06.25 | weasel00 | milligan: chcek out codeweavers |
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| 10:06.55 | weasel00 | tosse_: should be working by defualt |
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| 10:07.41 | weasel00 | tosse_: try creating another vanilla vm and see if you still have the same problem |
| 10:08.27 | weasel00 | hates ipv6 |
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| 10:09.56 | raboof | enabling the wifi interface with 'ifup', i do see 'ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): wlan0: link is not ready' in messages/syslog now - is that normal? |
| 10:10.21 | raboof | i added my password and essid to /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf and /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 10:11.34 | freaky[t] | hi all. did anyone here make an upgrade from debian lenny to squeeze with plesk installed and did everything go fine? |
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| 10:12.13 | weasel00 | why is a squeeze kernel update forcing ipv6... so annoying.. |
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| 10:13.50 | raboof | ha: turning off 'network-manager' seems to have helped... |
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| 10:17.43 | setner | hi everyone |
| 10:20.05 | milligan | weasel00, problem with crossover is that it's pretty much wine . My general opinion of wine gaming is that a lot of things doing work as intended. Especially when it comes to never games. |
| 10:21.29 | weasel00 | milligan: used it on mmo's alot and was impressed. if you want to maximize the performance you are going to have to run your game on a platform it was natively compiled for... |
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| 10:22.21 | milligan | Just checked their list, and they don't support the game I want to play :P I'll definitely keep them in mind though. I see a lot has happened since the last time I had a look at it. |
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| 10:22.56 | weasel00 | milligan: out of curiosity what game? |
| 10:23.05 | tosse_ | weasel00: never mind, thanks, error on my side :) |
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| 10:27.26 | fasta | How can I see which driver is in use to display my desktop? |
| 10:27.36 | fasta | I know that when I do modprobe radeon, that I get a black screen and require a reboot. |
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| 10:28.49 | streuner | fasta: in /var/log/X.log? |
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| 10:29.47 | streuner | fasta: grep -i driver Xorg.0.log |
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| 10:31.12 | weasel00 | what list do i use to complain about the kernel update that forces ipv6 and kills ip4 compatitibility? |
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| 10:32.19 | fasta | streuner: I get this: http://pastebin.com/sedfxLUH |
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| 10:33.48 | streuner | i have no idea about videocards (ATI), but that output seems to me wrong, many other different drivers loaded too... |
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| 10:34.55 | fasta | streuner: I would agree that it doesn't look 'normal'. |
| 10:35.05 | fasta | streuner: still, I don't see why the machine doesn't tell me what is wrong. |
| 10:35.19 | fasta | At some point some call is failing and it should just say 'that one failed'. |
| 10:36.48 | streuner | fasta: did you read http://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo yet? |
| 10:37.04 | fasta | streuner: it has always worked. I installed virtualbox and then it stopped working. |
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| 10:37.13 | fasta | streuner: I already removed virtualbox. |
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| 10:37.24 | fasta | streuner: that is, after a reboot it stopped working. |
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| 10:41.09 | weasel00 | any one know how to reenable ip4 after doing and update on squeeze? |
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| 10:41.51 | setner | I'm trying to install debian testing on my desktop. I have an error on the "detect network hardware" page stating there is a missing firmware file. I now have the firmware.tar.gz archive with all non-free firmware .deb packages, but I cannot put it on the usb stick I'm using to install debian because it only mounts read-only. Any ideas on how to put these files on my usb stick? I only have one usb stick. |
| 10:42.56 | streuner | what FS is on the USB stick, NTFS? |
| 10:43.03 | setner | no, iso9660 |
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| 10:44.23 | streuner | no wonder its read-only then :-) |
| 10:44.38 | BoyOfWuHan | Maybe your can make a bootusb...than install debian through USB-stick |
| 10:44.56 | milligan | weasel00, star wars: the old republic. mmo. |
| 10:45.12 | streuner | setner, the base system isnt installed yet? |
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| 10:45.40 | streuner | !rube goldberg install |
| 10:45.40 | dpkg | "Hi! I want to install Debian with a 2.6.x kernel on a machine, but I can't boot from floppies, and I can't boot from CD-ROM, and I have no network card. I have only a USB dot matrix printer and a punch card reader. Wait, the card reader just fell on the floor and broke." |
| 10:46.02 | setner | streuner: when I get into this page, the base system isn't installed yet |
| 10:46.08 | weasel00 | milligan: they will likely have it soon |
| 10:46.18 | BoyOfWuHan | download initrid and vmliz file from debian web ,from hd-media |
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| 10:46.25 | streuner | setner: ok, just use an unofficial installer *WITH* firmware then |
| 10:47.20 | setner | ok, but I want debian testing, not stable. Is there an unofficial installer with all the firmware but based on debian testing? |
| 10:47.44 | streuner | setner, /msg dpkg firmware images |
| 10:47.53 | deeLer | setner, adjust your source repositories afterwards and apt-get dist-upgrade |
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| 10:48.29 | milligan | weasel00, out of my curiosity .. what do they do different from a free version of wine ? :) |
| 10:48.30 | streuner | setner, which hardware needs firmware, btw? |
| 10:49.14 | setner | my realtek network card |
| 10:49.19 | weasel00 | milligan: they do some extra tweaking to the containers to improve reliability/perfomance for list software |
| 10:49.52 | streuner | deeLer is right, you are able to install the base system and copy the firmware into /lib/firmware afterwards |
| 10:51.04 | milligan | weasel00, I'll stay tuned and see when it pops up :) |
| 10:51.49 | setner | streuner, ok |
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| 10:52.06 | setner | I'll try installing the base system and then copy the firmware afterwards |
| 10:52.11 | setner | thank you all |
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| 10:58.07 | weasel00 | can someone offer a clue-by-four... i just installed updates and it broke my ip4 on my nic again... this is second machine this has happened to... wth? |
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| 10:58.59 | themill | it might be handy if we knew what updates it was you installed |
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| 11:00.05 | weasel00 | themill: the nic cant hear a response when it tries to disconver |
| 11:00.45 | weasel00 | themill: im guessing a kernel or isc update as it defaulted everything to ipv6 and blew out the ip4 settings |
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| 11:01.41 | themill | nothing like that has changed in squeeze |
| 11:02.31 | weasel00 | themill: this happened at to me at work on vm after doing updates from a clean headless lamp install.. but there i just reinstalld... |
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| 11:05.33 | weasel00 | is there a way of sorting installed packages by date? |
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| 11:06.38 | themill | apt and dpkg keep logs |
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| 11:08.29 | weasel00 | found something... "flags; bus-master 1, dirty 0(0) current 16(0) |
| 11:08.30 | Guest78025 | Hey guys is there any way to clear unused idol RAM besides rebooting? My server is sitting on 96% used RAM... |
| 11:08.47 | themill | !free ram |
| 11:08.48 | dpkg | Unlike information, your computer's memory does *not* want to be free. Free RAM is wasted RAM! Linux tries to use free physical memory for caching files from disk which speeds up disk access considerably. Linux releases RAM from these caches if programs need it. If you want to know how much physical memory the free(1) tool says you have left for program use, it's 'free' + 'buffers' + 'cache'. Also ask me about <swapwake>. |
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| 11:10.29 | weasel00 | where would i go about verifying a dma issue with the nic? o.0 |
| 11:13.14 | skilz | themill, That doesnt explain why its idol at 96% of 1GB, It's only running Apache, Squid(200MB assigned cache) and gnump3d which im not using. |
| 11:13.33 | simonlnu | 'idle' |
| 11:13.42 | skilz | thats the one ;) |
| 11:13.59 | themill | skilz: take a look at the output of "free" |
| 11:14.11 | simonlnu | i was wondering why you were talking about golden statues ;p |
| 11:14.36 | koollman | golden ram chips ;) |
| 11:14.57 | milligan | Is it possible, in i.e resolv.conf to redirect a specific domain to a specific nameserver ? |
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| 11:15.15 | skilz | http://pastebin.com/YSwSr537 |
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| 11:16.08 | koollman | milligan: you would need your own dns server for that, not just resolv.conf. it's not too hard with simple ones like dnsmasq or unbound |
| 11:16.08 | themill | milligan: not really. You'd need to configure your own local named to be able to do that. |
| 11:16.21 | themill | dpkg: tell skilz about pastebin.com |
| 11:16.23 | milligan | Darn :) |
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| 11:17.23 | themill | skilz: yeah, so most of that is file cache. This is a good thing. Be happy. |
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| 11:18.41 | Crypticfortune | So, I accidentally erased like half of /usr on one box and am trying to start over from scratch but don't want to reselect packages....I can chroot into the dead system, is there some way I can list all packages not installed automatically? |
| 11:19.08 | themill | Crypticfortune: does aptitude work within the chroot? |
| 11:19.13 | Crypticfortune | themill: yes |
| 11:19.17 | themill | !aptitude clone |
| 11:19.17 | dpkg | To clone a Debian machine using aptitude (or install your favourite packages) use aptitude search -F '%100p' '~i!~M' > package_list; on the reference machine; xargs aptitude --schedule-only install < package_list; aptitude install; on the other machine. This preserves information about "automatically installed" packages that other methods do not. See also <reinstall>, <things to backup>, <debian clone>, <apt-clone>. |
| 11:19.28 | Crypticfortune | awesome ^^ |
| 11:20.27 | themill | (that process can be a little bit off in its handling of "recommended" packages but is probably good enough for you) |
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| 11:21.24 | skilz | themill, So basically the processes I am currently running are sped up by the cached ram but I shouldn't run too many more processes? |
| 11:21.36 | skilz | Or have I got it totally wrong? |
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| 11:22.10 | simonlnu | 'free' + 'buffers' + 'cache' |
| 11:22.50 | simonlnu | 655 MiB |
| 11:22.51 | themill | skilz: not quite. Files that were once read into memory to execute them or to process data etc are still in memory as well as being on disk. That will make subsequent reads from them much faster. If you run new programs, some of that cache will be dropped to make room for the new process if needed. |
| 11:22.58 | ChrisH | skilz: The running processes gain from the chache. But you can add more processes, this will lead to a smaller file cache. |
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| 11:24.07 | skilz | Ah okay I understand now, thanks guys :) |
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| 11:36.47 | jd823592 | Hello, i have just installed debian testing (with gnome3) on a notebook with Broadcom 4311 wireless card (i tried different firmware and now i fear i screwed it) it did not work at any point (is there anything i could try to do to find out what is wrong... that i dont get a connection (the GUI says there is no network accessible (or maybe the device is not accessible) ... wl module is loaded (thats what i am using now) ... iwconfig says |
| 11:36.47 | jd823592 | wlan0 IEEE 802.11 ... Mode managed, Access Point not associated |
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| 11:54.53 | jd823592 | any idea? |
| 11:55.51 | simonlnu | !bcm4311 |
| 11:55.52 | dpkg | b43 is a driver supporting PCI/PCI-E wireless LAN devices with Broadcom chips, part of the Linux kernel. Firmware is required, ask me about <b43-fwcutter> to provide. 802.11b-only devices and BCM4306 rev 2 are instead supported by <b43legacy>. For BCM4313/4321/4322/43224/43225 (802.11n) device support, ask me about <brcm80211>, <wl>. http://wiki.debian.org/bcm43xx #bcm-users on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 11:57.09 | Anteu | earn 40% Rakeback money and a chance to win $1,000/month! http://rakenews.com |
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| 11:57.25 | simonlnu | !smack anteu |
| 11:57.25 | dpkg | smacks anteu upside the head. |
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| 12:01.42 | jd823592 | i have seen the wiki about bcm4311 and there is no troubleshooting that would help me resolve it |
| 12:03.53 | simonlnu | try with wicd instead of network-manager perhaps |
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| 12:05.19 | jd823592 | simonlnu: no good either |
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| 12:05.59 | simonlnu | well, i don't know, as i don't use that stuff |
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| 12:40.01 | gele | hello, are there any filesystem settings i can tune to make directory size calculations like the ones 'du -s somedir' does go faster? i'm using ext3. |
| 12:41.22 | gele | ideally i'd like to tell the filesystem to store the total size of each directory and update all the parent directory sizes whenever a file size changes. i don't know if that's possible or not. |
| 12:42.28 | gele | if not ext3, are there any other filesystems that can do that? |
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| 12:43.33 | ChrisH | gele: no idea on that, but I am curious why you need such a thing? |
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| 12:43.44 | jelly | likewise |
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| 12:44.12 | gele | ChrisH: i need to check directory sizes quite often to see whether they are going to fit on a backup device or not. |
| 12:44.14 | BlastHardcheese | gele: I don't think there are any file systems that do that, since it would require loads of writes every time anything was written to the fs |
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| 12:44.31 | Ironhand | can anyone recommend a tool in Squeeze that I can use to copy a GPT partition table from one device to another? I used to use sfdisk but it doesn't work with GPT |
| 12:44.33 | deeLer | gele; you might need dnotify / inotify |
| 12:44.45 | deeLer | to detect filechanges |
| 12:44.55 | deeLer | and then execute whatever script u like |
| 12:44.55 | gele | deeLer: i'll have a look, thanks. |
| 12:45.00 | ChrisH | gele, honestly either your backup concept is strange or you need more HW to fit the real max size. |
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| 12:45.16 | BlastHardcheese | For ext3, you can check that you have dir_index enabled on the file system (you probably do since it's the default nowadays) |
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| 12:45.29 | deeLer | dnotify is obsolete, whoever easier to understand , inotify is the new way to go and is faster |
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| 12:47.40 | jelly | gele: the only thing that comes to mind and keeps track of disk usage in real time is quotas, user and group quotas |
| 12:48.12 | dokma | I'm in a bit of haze as to how to use my Debian box as a VOIP phone. Is this the place or is there a better chan to ask? |
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| 12:48.59 | Ironhand | basically I'm looking to find a way to do the same thing that "sfdisk -d /dev/sda | sfdisk /dev/sdb" does, but with GPT |
| 12:51.21 | jelly | !tell dokma about voip |
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| 13:19.59 | gacallea | hi all, where can I find more info on --get-selections --set-selections and which is the correct procedure? |
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| 13:55.49 | gacallea | hi all, where can I find more info on --get-selections --set-selections and which is the correct procedure? |
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| 13:56.29 | themill | gacallea: you're more likely to get an answer if you tell us what you're trying to do |
| 13:56.32 | abrotman | to do what ? |
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| 14:00.14 | gacallea | themill, abrotman , solved it thanks. i thought it was obvious what I am trying to do. |
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| 14:01.20 | gacallea | themill, abrotman: get package list from one system; import it into another; install it. |
| 14:01.37 | themill | !debian clone |
| 14:01.38 | dpkg | One method of cloning Debian installs is to take a current Debian machine that is set up with the packages you want and run the command "dpkg --get-selections > ~/selectionfile". Then, after the base install on other machines use that file and do: "dpkg --set-selections < ./selectionfile && apt-get dselect-upgrade". Also ask me about <aptitude clone>, <reinstall>, <things to backup> <apt-clone>. |
| 14:02.11 | gacallea | themill, that's it.thanks =) |
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| 14:07.50 | iluminator101 | how do i change region to another region for testing purposes |
| 14:08.11 | Sm0ke0ut | dpkg-reconfigure locales ? |
| 14:08.16 | Sm0ke0ut | (guessing) |
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| 14:10.04 | colo-work | export LC_ALL=your_new_locale_for_this_session_and_all_child_processes |
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| 14:14.02 | qwd | I've found a bug and I'd like help with sending in a good bug report. I plug in my external usb drive with the following partitions: encrypted ext4, ntfs, fat32. When I safely remove the drive in Nautilus the screen goes black except for the mouse pointer which can't be moved and I have to restart the computer with the reboot button. |
| 14:15.44 | qwd | I've had it happen before but I'm not sure about the details those times. The two times it happened just now I had it plugged in to the usb port to the right (I have two on the front, first try on left didn't do anything but that's not necessarily the problem here) and happened when choosing safely remove for the FAT32 partition. |
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| 14:16.07 | stephanb | qwd: maybe you should file the bug on the gnome bugzilla? |
| 14:16.10 | qwd | So, are there any logs or anything else that would be useful when reporting this bug? |
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| 14:17.38 | qwd | stephanb: any suggestions on which package? |
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| 14:19.52 | stephanb | qwd: don't really know... i would file the bug as you experience it, or as you told us here in the gnome-bugzilla... i think the package maintainer will ask for what he needs to reproduce it, at least, this is my experience with the gnome bugzilla |
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| 14:21.06 | nsadmin | maybe talk to some of the maintainers involved |
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| 14:21.08 | babilen | !tell qwd -about reportbug |
| 14:21.18 | ws2k3 | can i limit the cpu use of a screen session ? |
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| 14:22.21 | qwd | yeah I know about reportbug but finding out which package has the problem isn't always easy. I'll see if the Gnome people can help figure it out. Thanks for the replies! |
| 14:22.29 | blawiz | i cant mont my memorystick as user (even if i have the user-option in fstab), i CAN mount it with sudo, but can write to it with sudo, i have to be root to write to it :S wtf? |
| 14:22.59 | blawiz | *cant write to it with sudi |
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| 14:23.05 | blawiz | sudo! |
| 14:23.08 | blawiz | fuck me |
| 14:23.30 | ws2k3 | can u use cpulimit to limit an executable ? |
| 14:23.48 | ws2k3 | so if i run that file 100 times at the same time they all got a limit ? |
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| 14:24.32 | babilen | qwd: I'd try to reproduce the bug manually by *not* using nautilus to mount it. (try pmount or a complete manual approach) -- If that does *not* result in a hard lock we know that nautilus is to blame and it would be the appropriate package for the report. |
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| 14:26.00 | qwd | babilen: how do i stop nautilus from mounting it as soon as I plug it in? |
| 14:26.04 | simonlnu | ,usbid 0781:74c3 |
| 14:26.09 | ws2k3 | ? |
| 14:26.15 | simonlnu | hm, ok |
| 14:27.13 | Justin | babilen: what filesystem is it formatted with? |
| 14:27.17 | themill | simonlnu: not until abrotman writes the code ;) |
| 14:27.20 | babilen | qwd: Good question :) -- You can probably configure it somewhere (removable devices) or just try it outside of Gnome in, for example, fluxbox |
| 14:27.49 | simonlnu | :) |
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| 14:28.46 | qwd | I'll try it on my netbook with xfce. Guess it doesn't mean much if it doesn't hang but if it does that could be interesting. |
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| 14:31.22 | nvictor | hai all |
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| 14:31.38 | ws2k3 | how can i cpulimit all proceses with the same name ? |
| 14:31.48 | nvictor | what does "zero space" mean? |
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| 14:32.12 | Justin | blawiz: what filesystem is it formatted with? |
| 14:32.12 | nvictor | my question is related to /dev/zero |
| 14:32.20 | jdolan | Anyone else running fglrx + eyefinity on Wheezy? |
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| 14:33.14 | blawiz | Justasic, vfat |
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| 14:38.04 | andre__ | For the records, as people seem to get redirected to GNOME Bugzilla for bug reports about 2.30: |
| 14:38.07 | andre__ | GNOME Bugzilla welcomes bug reports about GNOME 3.2 and 3.0. Reports about older versions such as 2.32 or 2.30 get closed as OBSOLETE as simply nobody is working on that old stuff anymore in upstream GNOME. |
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| 14:38.36 | andre__ | People are free to report 2.30 issues to Debian's bugtracker of course, as 2.30 is supported in Debian. |
| 14:38.55 | Justin | blawiz: ls -ld /mnt/whateveryoumounted it |
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| 14:45.03 | nsadmin | like what configure script? script for doing what? |
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| 14:45.18 | themill | andre__: yeah, and of course only bugs deemed to have severity "important" or higher will get fixed as gnome 2.x is in a similar position in debian too. |
| 14:45.35 | protz | nsadmin: nah, just found what I was looking for (i486-pc-kfreebsd-gnu) |
| 14:45.40 | protz | nsadmin: but thanks :) |
| 14:45.53 | andre__ | themill, I see... |
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| 14:46.08 | abrotman | okay okay! |
| 14:46.10 | nsadmin | oh, to feed to a build of gcc?\ |
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| 14:47.14 | calculon | OpenArena is dead? |
| 14:47.39 | nsadmin | unreal! |
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| 14:47.58 | nsadmin | what;s openarena? |
| 14:48.06 | calculon | game |
| 14:48.12 | calculon | fps |
| 14:48.28 | calculon | no players online |
| 14:48.46 | nsadmin | that's how it's dead? |
| 14:49.12 | calculon | play with nobody |
| 14:49.22 | nsadmin | bots and such :) |
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| 14:51.32 | simonlnu | bots aren't people (*looks at dpkg*) |
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| 14:51.46 | judd | waves |
| 14:52.20 | xand | that's really offensive :( |
| 14:52.27 | simonlnu | looks at judd |
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| 14:52.39 | nsadmin | to bots... |
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| 14:52.46 | calculon | :-D |
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| 14:53.23 | bellman | when building a package from source... how to apply the debian .diff to the orig.tgz ? |
| 14:53.29 | jelly | heh heh heh |
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| 14:53.47 | nevyn | dh_buildpackage? |
| 14:53.57 | somiaj | bellman: how are you building it from source, usually that is doen via the build tools |
| 14:54.00 | nsadmin | bellman, if you use dpkg-source -x something.dsc |
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| 14:54.04 | nsadmin | it will do it for you |
| 14:54.07 | themill | bellman: dpkg-source does this for you when you fetch the source |
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| 14:54.28 | bellman | ok cool... dpkg-source is invoked by apt-get source? |
| 14:54.40 | nsadmin | yes |
| 14:55.14 | nsadmin | dat iz hao it duz dat! |
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| 15:02.42 | nyk2005 | I'm having trouble to upgrade from lenny to squeeze. All apt-get commands fail with "kernel too old". My current kernel is 2.6.9-022stab078.21-enterprise. When I try to install a recent kernel using apt-get, it segfaults when trying to install the dependencies of the kernel |
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| 15:03.09 | somiaj | !tell nyk2005 about lenny->squeeze |
| 15:03.28 | somiaj | nyk2005: you have to be careful and follow the instructions to make sure you update for udev correctly. Also backup first |
| 15:03.29 | nyk2005 | somiaj: thanks for the hints! |
| 15:04.24 | nyk2005 | somiaj: but is my current kernel really from lenny, or is it even older? Because I tried the upgrade already some years ago, but gave up then. So it might be a bit messed up :( |
| 15:04.24 | babilen | nyk2005: You want to install a newer kernel in lenny before doing that (It should have 2.6.26-27) -- This looks like a VM, is that correct? |
| 15:04.47 | nyk2005 | babilen: yes, it's running in virtuozo |
| 15:05.06 | nyk2005 | babilen: ah, so I first have to leave my sources at lenny in this case? |
| 15:05.09 | somiaj | nyk2005: read the factoid it tells you the order you should follow in the upgrade. Though I'm unsure of any VM issues |
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| 15:05.33 | nyk2005 | somiaj: I hope it's not a sarge system, because I thought it was... |
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| 15:05.56 | babilen | It might very well be that the 2.6.9-?? kernel is the one from the host system. (incredibly outdated) and that it turns out to be hard/impossible to update the actual guest kernel. |
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| 15:06.14 | babilen | nyk2005: What does "cat /etc/debian_version" give you? |
| 15:06.28 | nyk2005 | somiaj: ah, and I have to change the source to the snapshot server too, I guess? |
| 15:06.42 | nyk2005 | babilen: yes, that gives me 5.0.7 |
| 15:06.53 | babilen | Ah, Virtuozzo is Parallels, so the host system would be OSX? |
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| 15:07.22 | babilen | !tell nyk2005 -about lenny sources.list |
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| 15:08.25 | nyk2005 | babilen: But the "factoid" tells me to change the source to squeeze. But didn't you say I should leave it at lenny for the kernel? |
| 15:09.04 | babilen | nyk2005: I'd try installing the current kernel in lenny (a linux-image-2.6-$(uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,') metapackage should do), then upgrade lenny (this and following steps are detailed in squeeze's release notes) |
| 15:09.14 | babilen | !tell nyk2005 -about release notes |
| 15:09.19 | nyk2005 | babilen: ok, I try this works.. |
| 15:09.25 | nyk2005 | I mean hope |
| 15:09.34 | babilen | nyk2005: You should make sure that your lenny system is up-to-date first. |
| 15:09.50 | nyk2005 | babilen: but that's the main problem: It's not. |
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| 15:10.30 | Mephisto | question. How in gnome do i put all bookmars straight in places, but not in "Bookmarks" subfolder which is by default? |
| 15:10.35 | babilen | nyk2005: So change that! What happens if you try "apt-get update ; apt-get upgrade"? What about "apt-get dist-upgrade" ? "aptitude dist-upgrade" ? |
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| 15:10.43 | nyk2005 | babilen: should I do "apt-get -f upgrade" ? |
| 15:10.57 | Mephisto | in "Places" on top bar. |
| 15:11.05 | Mephisto | i need that thing bad. |
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| 15:11.18 | nyk2005 | babilen: because without "-f" it fails |
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| 15:11.27 | babilen | !tell nyk2005 -about bat |
| 15:11.31 | babilen | nyk2005: Show us please |
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| 15:12.12 | nyk2005 | babilen: ok, I try the "-f upgrade" first, or shouldn't I? |
| 15:12.33 | nyk2005 | babilen: then I'll show you the error that will most likely come from this? |
| 15:12.46 | babilen | nyk2005: I'd like to see the error :) -- It might turn out that a new installation of squeeze is the easiest option. Would that be feasible? |
| 15:12.53 | babilen | nyk2005: Yeah, sure -- I'm here :) |
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| 15:13.51 | Mephisto | i don't get it.. is it so difficult to do that i've asked this question like 10 times and nobody says shit?.. |
| 15:14.06 | babilen | Mephisto: Bookmarks as in webpages? Which browser in that case? Or what are you referring to? |
| 15:14.12 | Mephisto | nope, gnome menu panel |
| 15:14.16 | Mephisto | Apps, Places, System |
| 15:14.30 | Mephisto | the thing is... there are bookmarks in Places section too... |
| 15:14.41 | Mephisto | BUT... they're in "bookmarks" subsection, but i need them to be STRAIGHT in places |
| 15:14.45 | Mephisto | so i can access them at once |
| 15:14.47 | Mephisto | let me show you... |
| 15:14.59 | babilen | Mephisto: I typically just drag'n'drop directories within nautilus into the left side bar |
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| 15:15.02 | nyk2005 | Mephisto: what do you mean? what are STRAIGHT places? |
| 15:15.14 | Mephisto | hang on, i'll show you both. |
| 15:15.20 | babilen | Please do that :) |
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| 15:15.42 | Mephisto | damn.. when i open menu screen utility doesn't work.. that sucks.. |
| 15:15.46 | Mephisto | screenshot that is |
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| 15:16.47 | jhutchins_lt | Ignorance should be configurable. |
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| 15:17.09 | Mephisto | ok, i found ubuntu screenshot that perfectly depicts it |
| 15:17.10 | Mephisto | http://www.simplehelp.net/images/remote_filesystem_gnome/remote_filesystem_gnome_001.png |
| 15:17.22 | Mephisto | you see, on this screenshot it's exactly the way i need it to be |
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| 15:17.54 | nyk2005 | Mephisto: ah, you want your bookmark to be like the "Videos" or "Pictures" there? |
| 15:17.55 | babilen | And if you drag'n'drop directories within nautilus into the left side bar they don't appear there? |
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| 15:18.13 | Mephisto | all bookmarks are straight in Places section just as i open it... but by me they're stored in SUBsection called "bookmarks", so i have to first go to Places then hover to Bookmarks |
| 15:18.26 | Mephisto | babilen, they do, but i don't wanna open nautilus |
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| 15:18.31 | gnat_x | anyone know what happened to the mirrors at mirror.cc.columbia.edu and if they're ever coming back? |
| 15:18.32 | gacallea | !bind |
| 15:18.32 | dpkg | i heard bind is the Berkeley Internet Name Daemon, a Domain Name System (DNS) server. To install: "aptitude install bind9 bind9-doc". See also <bind9 chroot>, <bind9 lenny>. http://wiki.debian.org/Bind9 https://www.isc.org/software/bind #bind on irc.freenode.net. |
| 15:18.34 | babilen | Mephisto: Why not? |
| 15:18.43 | nyk2005 | Mephisto: I don't think that's possible, but maybe other know how to do it. |
| 15:18.49 | Mephisto | babilen, well i have to open it first, but i need my bookmarks to be in Places menu |
| 15:18.51 | babilen | !tell gacallea -about msgthebot |
| 15:18.55 | Mephisto | that's more convenient sometimes |
| 15:19.02 | gacallea | ok babilen thanks |
| 15:19.13 | Mephisto | nyk2005, why is it possible in Ubuntu??? There's the same gnome! At least the one on the screenshot is probably 2.30 |
| 15:19.22 | Mephisto | also in openSUSE i saw the same thing |
| 15:19.28 | Mephisto | it was exactly the way i want it to be |
| 15:19.37 | Mephisto | but here.... it's different for some reason. |
| 15:19.47 | jhutchins_lt | Mephisto: So why are you even runnng Debian? |
| 15:19.56 | Mephisto | jhutchins_lt, i like it for many other reasons. |
| 15:19.57 | nyk2005 | Mephisto: the ubuntu guys put these defaults in some gnome-config. you can also change that of course, but I don't think there a GUI for this |
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| 15:20.08 | babilen | Mephisto: No -- You drag'n'drop them in order to add them to that menu. I don't use Gnome (let alone 2.3*) so I can't test it right now. But I seem to remember that you can just drag a directory into the left pane and it'll appear in the Places menu there and in the panel. |
| 15:20.13 | Mephisto | nyk2005, that's another talk :) |
| 15:20.45 | babilen | gacallea: Have fun -- Let us know if you need help with anything. |
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| 15:20.54 | adv_ | anyone has successfully transfered songs from/to iphone/ipod touch 4 in debian squeeze? if yes, how? |
| 15:21.10 | Mephisto | babilen, what you're saying is true, but you don't get it... it's not what i need.. i've already put my bookmarks to the left pane... it's ok. But i want them in PLACES on top bar. That's faster in some ways. |
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| 15:22.11 | Mephisto | jhutchins_lt, just a few more words... of course i won't change Debian to something else because of this little thing. I'm just wondering why is it different here. |
| 15:22.30 | babilen | Mephisto: I understand what you mean. I just thought that they wouldn't appear in bookmarks, but directly in places (merely by dragging them into the places pane in nautilus) |
| 15:22.37 | nyk2005 | babilen: now, this is the error I get after "apt-get -f upgrade": http://pastebin.com/PLacerFC |
| 15:22.47 | Mephisto | babilen, hmm.... |
| 15:22.49 | nyk2005 | babilen: it failed to remove binutils |
| 15:22.52 | Mephisto | babilen, let me think... |
| 15:23.05 | Mephisto | babilen, now i got it.. sorry... let me try. |
| 15:23.18 | TTimo | hello .. quick question .. is there a simple way to install packages with dpkg and tell it to fetch whatever dependencies it needs from apt repositories if it can find them? trying to automate some package installs and keep running into "oh I can't configure this because I need this" |
| 15:23.44 | Mephisto | babilen, http://89.28.122.14:8080/Screenshot.png |
| 15:23.47 | somiaj | TTimo: yes the program is called apt, so use either apt-get or aptitude |
| 15:23.49 | Mephisto | babilen, that's how it is. |
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| 15:24.18 | TTimo | somiaj: can apt grok a .deb that's on the local filesystem though |
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| 15:24.26 | TTimo | apt-get install foo.deb |
| 15:24.48 | Mephisto | babilen, so you mean i have to try moving all bookmarks over that line dividing Places stuff and the one that is supposedly "bookmarks"? |
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| 15:25.01 | Justin | TTimo: yeah... gdebi |
| 15:25.05 | colo-work | dpkg -i pathtofile |
| 15:25.06 | dpkg | removes a liver from colo-work and replaces it with pathtofile |
| 15:25.07 | Mephisto | babilen, actually i was thinking to do that |
| 15:25.08 | babilen | Mephisto: And "Windows", "Incoming" ... are *not* appearing in the panel's Places menu but in a "Bookmarks" folder? |
| 15:25.13 | somiaj | TTimo: what local deb do you have that you are trying to install from outside of debian repos...that is a loaded question since there is no way to know if you could even stasify the versions in the depends. |
| 15:25.15 | Mephisto | babilen, YES. |
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| 15:25.37 | gacallea | babilen, yes I need this: where do I add this line "ipv6.disable=1" to disable ipv6 at boot? |
| 15:25.39 | nyk2005 | babilen: now it's getting quite complicated... |
| 15:25.40 | Mephisto | babilen, the rest that goes before the divider appears there. |
| 15:25.40 | babilen | Mephisto: Ok, can you drag them up there? (sorry, I really can't reproduce that on my local machine) |
| 15:25.47 | Justin | TTimo: if you install gdebi-core you'll get /usr/bin/gdebi which will do what you want |
| 15:25.48 | Mephisto | babilen, let me try...... |
| 15:25.54 | jhutchins_lt | thinks Mephisto has confused something he wants with something he needs. |
| 15:26.04 | TTimo | yeah, but in most cases I can, it's just regular packages that have been slightly modified and rebuilt locall |
| 15:26.13 | Mephisto | jhutchins_lt, not really. |
| 15:26.13 | TTimo | Justin: thanks going to look that up |
| 15:26.20 | Mephisto | jhutchins_lt, i know exactly what i need. |
| 15:26.22 | nyk2005 | babilen: this is the point where I have to install the packages "by hand"? |
| 15:26.23 | babilen | nyk2005: Ok, that doesn't really look that great. Do you have /sbin/ldconfig on your system? Is it in root's PATH? (i.e. does "which ldconfig" return /sbin/ldconfig?) |
| 15:26.41 | nyk2005 | babilen: no, it's gone |
| 15:26.47 | jhutchins_lt | Mephisto: You know what you want. |
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| 15:27.14 | nyk2005 | babilen: so I try to fetch the ldconfig .deb? |
| 15:27.34 | Mephisto | jhutchins_lt, sure, and i need that as well. It's just that things look deliberately different here. |
| 15:27.39 | somiaj | TTimo: you could try a --dry-run -i when you install it, and it won't actually install it but should tell you about any issues/depends that were not met |
| 15:28.01 | babilen | nyk2005: You do not have /sbin/ldconfig? What about other binaries from libc-bin such as /usr/bin/getent or /usr/bin/locale ? |
| 15:28.10 | babilen | nyk2005: Is the libc-bin package installed? |
| 15:28.23 | TTimo | yup .. I know how to find out which dependencies I need .. I'm automating this however, so I want those things to try to resolve themselves unattended |
| 15:28.45 | nyk2005 | babilen: ah, thanks! it part of libc-bin! |
| 15:29.02 | babilen | !tell gacallea -about noipv6 |
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| 15:29.22 | nyk2005 | babilen: all gone. It also complains about not having locale |
| 15:29.33 | babilen | gacallea: You add kernel parameters in /etc/default/grub -- Read info -f grub -n 'Simple configuration' |
| 15:29.35 | jhutchins_lt | Mephisto: So what you need to do is to go through the gnome code and documentation and see what determines where things are placed in the menus. It's possible that you might get some help from the Gnome packagers who set up the menu for Debian, but you'll have to make a significant effort first. Once you've done what you need to do, you will be able to do what you want to do. |
| 15:30.00 | nyk2005 | babilen: and libc-bin isn't installed. I also can't install it: "Package libc-bin is not available, but is referred to by another package." |
| 15:30.13 | Mephisto | jhutchins_lt, damn... so much troubles doing one simple thing... i'll be damned... |
| 15:30.21 | jhutchins_lt | Probably. |
| 15:30.54 | Mephisto | i actually do suspect one thing here.... |
| 15:30.56 | nyk2005 | babilen: strange, I don't find libc-bin in lenny |
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| 15:31.17 | Mephisto | i think it wasn't ALWAYS like that.. but probably changed when i added a few more bookmarks beside of base debian ones.... |
| 15:31.19 | babilen | nyk2005: Your system is pretty much b0rked -- You might be able to fix it by downloading the libc-bin package from http://packages.debian.org. You can then unpack it with either "dpkg -x the.deb ." (into the current directory, do it in, say, ~/tmp) and move the files into place. I would try "apt-get install libc-bin" first, but I wonder *how* that package was removed as apt-get/aptitude should have complained loadly when you tried that. |
| 15:31.30 | babilen | nyk2005: Would a new installation of squeeze be an option? |
| 15:31.33 | Mephisto | then it created extra "bookmarks" section in Places.. |
| 15:31.38 | Mephisto | i think i remember it was ok before. |
| 15:31.49 | Mephisto | but that's... retarded... |
| 15:31.55 | nyk2005 | babilen: a new install, I have to ask the support of my provider.. |
| 15:32.05 | nyk2005 | babilen: to find out |
| 15:32.20 | nyk2005 | babilen: but I'm backing up right now |
| 15:33.04 | Mephisto | babilen, please, could you create a few more bookmarks? Move something to left pane... like 3-4 more things... and see if it puts everything to bookmarks. |
| 15:33.05 | nyk2005 | babilen: I'm getting "Package libc-bin has no installation candidate" |
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| 15:33.27 | babilen | nyk2005: I am not saying that fixing this is impossible (it won't be), but I really do not trust your system anymore and all kinds of other things might be broken. A new install would give you a well-defined state and a working and up-to-date system. |
| 15:33.28 | nyk2005 | babilen: and there's also no libc-bin in packages.debian.org I |
| 15:33.29 | Mephisto | babilen, maybe that's the way to reproduce it. |
| 15:34.02 | babilen | nyk2005: Ah, it is the libc6 package in lenny -- Sorry for the confusion. |
| 15:34.22 | babilen | nyk2005: This *is* really ugly ugly ugly -- Do you have *any* idea how you managed to break the system that badly? |
| 15:35.07 | nyk2005 | babilen: I have tried the upgrade like every year now for about 4 years, and failed every time. And every time it got a bit more broken |
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| 15:35.28 | nyk2005 | babilen: and as it still worked I just left it |
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| 15:35.37 | adv_ | anyone has successfully transfered songs from/to iphone/ipod touch 4 in debian squeeze? if yes, how? |
| 15:35.55 | babilen | nyk2005: Do yourself a favour and install squeeze - This could turn into a week of work. (interesting, but not necessarily bound to be successful) |
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| 15:37.13 | nyk2005 | babilen: you are right, thanks! I call support and ask if they can re-install for me. |
| 15:37.14 | Mephisto | http://www.letu.edu/opencms/export/sites/default/administrative/infotech/services/myfiles/instructions/gnome/letnet-gnome-myfilessetup3.jpg |
| 15:37.18 | Mephisto | this is what i have exactly |
| 15:37.29 | Mephisto | i think that's the way it "should" be... |
| 15:37.31 | Mephisto | but that sucks. |
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| 15:39.18 | babilen | nyk2005: If it turns out no to be an option we can continue (for the fiddling fun), but I wouldn't rely on a system like that. |
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| 15:41.13 | ikla | how do you make apt remove a package and it dependecies? and keep the pkgs that are needed by other pkgs? |
| 15:41.22 | nyk2005 | babilen: yes, you're completely right! I hope they can do this. The guy on the phone told me to file a support-message, so I'll do that. |
| 15:42.53 | babilen | nyk2005: Good luck! |
| 15:43.46 | babilen | ikla: "aptitude remove PKG" "aptitude purge PKG" (purge removes configuration files too) or "apt-get remove PKG ; apt-get autoremove" or "apt-get purge PKG ; apt-get --purge autoremove" |
| 15:44.06 | ikla | k |
| 15:44.47 | babilen | ikla: You might want to read http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ and (really really good!) the example chapter from http://www.ulule.com/debian-handbook/news/publication-d-chapitre-exemple-2893/ |
| 15:44.51 | gele | ikla: apt-get and aptitude never removes packages that are needed by other packages (unless maybe if you tell it to really really explicitly). |
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| 15:45.11 | Mephisto | babilen, another question.. do you know if it's possible to edit particular font's antialising settings?.. Like, for example, i want one font to be antialiased and another not. |
| 15:45.30 | boudiccas | how can i search in a dvd for certain words like 'footsteps' or 'sand' or 'poem' please? i've tried with sudo updatedb and then locate foobar but it didnt seem to index the dvd |
| 15:46.19 | gele | boudiccas: do you want to search in filenames or actual file content? |
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| 15:46.35 | boudiccas | gele; both |
| 15:47.15 | babilen | Mephisto: There might be way, but I am not aware of a method to achieve it. Even though I have a profound interest in typography I am not much of a font person (as in actual software fonts, as opposed to "Oh, this is a nice Garamond!") |
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| 15:48.08 | Mephisto | i see |
| 15:48.09 | boudiccas | gele; but i'm quite happy to do it one at a time |
| 15:48.26 | Mephisto | i wish i knew how to do it though.. all this font business seems to be tough a bit |
| 15:48.28 | nyk2005 | babilen: yes, thanks a lot! I hope they can still do it, because it's only 10 minutes to the office-closing time... :( |
| 15:48.44 | gele | boudiccas: you can search the filenames using 'find'. it's not indexed in any way though so it may be slow if you have lots and lots of files. |
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| 15:48.55 | nevyn | Mephisto: it's a rendering capability of the display subsystm it's reasonably global aiui |
| 15:49.00 | boudiccas | basically i'm looking for a file which may be called 'footsteps in the sand' containing poems that i've written |
| 15:49.06 | nevyn | Mephisto: so per font you basically can't |
| 15:49.21 | somiaj | boudiccas: well if you use apt-cdrom to add the dvd's to your sources, you can use the debian search tools to search though them such as aptitude search, apt-cache or apt-file |
| 15:49.33 | Mephisto | nevyn, hm.... really?.. How about me telling you that i'm using a script that basically does it?.. |
| 15:49.36 | nevyn | boudiccas: locate is our friend |
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| 15:49.44 | nevyn | basically does it? |
| 15:49.46 | gele | boudiccas: find /path/to/dvdmountpoint -name '*footsteps*' |
| 15:49.52 | Mephisto | nevyn, but the thing is, it's not quite accurate and i wish i knew how to edit it a bit. |
| 15:50.04 | nevyn | Mephisto: it sounds hacky. |
| 15:50.12 | Mephisto | nevyn, it is. Let me show you.. |
| 15:50.12 | spersaud | how do I configure an "external sound box" usb .. |
| 15:50.13 | somiaj | boudiccas: oh you just want to search though an actual file system, sorry was thinking debian dvds. find will search file names, but if you want context, you could use grep, grep has a recursive ability |
| 15:50.14 | spersaud | ? |
| 15:50.26 | jhutchins | somiaj: I don't think she's talking about debian .deb packages that contain poetry. |
| 15:50.27 | somiaj | boudiccas: grep -r footsteps /path/to/dvd/* |
| 15:50.27 | spersaud | its the gwc one from newegg |
| 15:50.30 | Mephisto | nevyn, but it doesn't change anything, it only creates 4 files |
| 15:50.40 | Mephisto | http://www.webupd8.org/2009/09/ubuntu-debian-script-to-install-sharp.html |
| 15:50.51 | jhutchins | boudiccas: find /mnt/cdrom =name "footsteps*" to look for filenames. |
| 15:50.53 | nevyn | wanders off to enable subpixel rendering |
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| 15:50.57 | Mephisto | this is a create script, BUT.... still, it gives me antialiased bold Arial. |
| 15:51.03 | Mephisto | and i wish i could get rid of it. |
| 15:51.18 | jhutchins | boudiccas: You may be able to search for internal text strings using grep -r footsteps /mnt/cdrom/* |
| 15:51.30 | Mephisto | great script* |
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| 15:52.22 | somiaj | boudiccas: though if your files are some binary format, grep may not be able to find the string inside of it |
| 15:52.39 | nevyn | Mephisto: why don't you just turn off antialiasing? |
| 15:52.54 | nevyn | (I mean I think that's nuts but if you like jaggies whatever) |
| 15:53.01 | Mephisto | nevyn, ahhh.. i thought so too, BUT.. it ruins some fonts on the websites.. i dunno why, you think adding some windows fonts might help it? |
| 15:53.08 | Mephisto | nevyn, i mean some fonts look broken... |
| 15:53.32 | jhutchins | boudiccas: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r64kl3eCwMc |
| 15:53.38 | Mephisto | nevyn, this script fixes it somehow...it substitutes something.. so font is both sharp looking and not corrupted |
| 15:54.14 | nevyn | fonts look broken? how so they staircase? |
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| 15:54.21 | nevyn | cause I'd expect that. |
| 15:54.27 | gnarface | Mephisto: adding some decent fonts would probably go a long way. they wouldn't necessarily have to be the windows ones but they should be truetype fonts of similar quality |
| 15:54.38 | Mephisto | i dunno man, i really can't understand what's going on with browsers and other stuff. |
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| 15:55.00 | Mephisto | gnarface, so you're saying i can get normal fonts everywhere with just turned off antialiasing?.. |
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| 15:55.33 | Mephisto | gnarface, but what does this script exist for then?.. |
| 15:55.50 | Mephisto | because it's so easy to achieve? i remember fiddling with this thing, but i always ended up using the script.. |
| 15:56.02 | gnarface | Mephisto: no i was merely hypothesizing that you're seeing weird results because you didn't have any truetype fonts at all and it was falling back on something else |
| 15:56.11 | Mephisto | yes, probably. |
| 15:56.15 | Mephisto | it was using wrong ones. |
| 15:56.21 | Mephisto | but good idea, let me try. |
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| 15:56.57 | spersaud | how do I configure a usb sound card ? |
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| 15:57.02 | spersaud | I dont see alsaconf |
| 15:57.04 | gnarface | Mephisto: make sure you have ttf-bitstream-vera installed. that's a great starting point for "free fonts that pretend to be like windows ones" |
| 15:57.05 | nevyn | ohhh xfonts ewww |
| 15:57.13 | Mephisto | hm |
| 15:57.15 | Mephisto | never heard of it |
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| 15:57.17 | Mephisto | ok, thanks |
| 15:57.17 | nevyn | and freefonts |
| 15:57.19 | nevyn | of course |
| 15:57.28 | Mephisto | i think i have that |
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| 15:58.22 | nevyn | actually likes the mscorefonts |
| 15:58.38 | nevyn | I wish there were more free fonts that didn't suck |
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| 15:59.31 | gnarface | the windows fonts were actually really well made except for being proportionately incorrect |
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| 16:00.02 | gnarface | weren't they in fact just cheap knock-offs of some older adobe illustrator fonts? |
| 16:00.04 | Justin | spersaud: usb sound cards work nicely with pulsaudio |
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| 16:01.35 | spersaud | Justin: installing pulseaudio |
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| 16:02.21 | spersaud | Justin: how do I configure it ? |
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| 16:04.01 | Justin | spersaud: run padevchooser |
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| 16:05.16 | Mephisto | now i remember why i always reverted to script. |
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| 16:06.14 | TheCoffeMaker | Hi there ... do you know if there is any way to install a global menu (like osx menu bar) on KDE, I googled and found about something called bespin-xbar but didn't find anything related to Debian |
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| 16:06.52 | nevyn | TheCoffeMaker: that tends not to work very well. |
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| 16:06.54 | spersaud | W: alsa-mixer.c: Your kernel driver is broken: it reports a volume range from 0.00 dB to 0.00 dB which makes no sense. |
| 16:07.37 | nevyn | TheCoffeMaker: it was supported in kde and might still be for KDE/QT apps but it's disconcerting when it doesn't work for firefox or some gnome app |
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| 16:09.56 | TheCoffeMaker | nevyn, I'm using it on gnome2 ... actually ... is the only thing that keeps me running on gnome2 (yeah ... stable + backports) and squeeze ... my desktop arrange is really powerfull for my tasks and the only thing that keeps me on this is that menu bar |
| 16:10.04 | boudiccas | thanks for the hints of searching, i now want to just search the filenames, how do i do that please. i'm looking ofr 'footsteps', 'sand' or 'poems' |
| 16:10.05 | gele | are there any good network filesystems that store all read files locally in a permanent cache? |
| 16:10.27 | boudiccas | for |
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| 16:10.41 | gele | i'd basically like some way of accessing e.g. my Pictures folder over the network, storing all image files i retrieve locally so i don't have to fetch them again later. |
| 16:10.47 | TheCoffeMaker | nevyn, is there any package that I can install to be able to use it or it's just a system setup ? |
| 16:10.55 | gele | could i set up a cache like that for e.g. sshfs? |
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| 16:10.59 | spersaud | Justin: ran it ... no devices .. |
| 16:11.06 | spersaud | can I use alsa with a usb sound card ? |
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| 16:11.29 | TheCoffeMaker | spersaud, yes you should be able |
| 16:11.38 | gele | boudiccas: 'find' works. |
| 16:11.43 | Justin | spersaud: yes. alsa works just fine with usb sound devices |
| 16:11.59 | Justin | just without something like pulsaudio it can be a pain in the ass to switch between devices |
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| 16:12.47 | TheCoffeMaker | spersaud, btw ... just took a look at the history and didn't find your device model ... wich device are you trying to use ? |
| 16:13.39 | TheCoffeMaker | spersaud, connect your device and paste in pastebin the output of the following command |
| 16:13.46 | TheCoffeMaker | spersaud, lsusb |
| 16:13.51 | gnarface | for information on how to set up my own repository would i read the debian new maintainer's guide or what? |
| 16:14.26 | gele | gnarface: do you want to set up a third party repository, or just your own mirror or cache of the usual debian repositories? |
| 16:14.27 | nevyn | spersaud: what usb card? |
| 16:14.31 | TheCoffeMaker | gnarface, first google "howto make debian mirror" |
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| 16:15.07 | gnarface | gele: private repo for our own software. not stuff that's part of debian. i'm already fluent in setting up a caching proxy for apt |
| 16:15.23 | gnarface | TheCoffeMaker: you misunderstand my question. |
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| 16:15.59 | TheCoffeMaker | gnarface, :P sorry |
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| 16:16.19 | alabd | Good day all , someone said > some secuityholes bugs hide for a while, but when they are found they are fixed in a timly fashion. The advantage of being frozen and fixing the version inside of debian stable is then you don't have to worry about unexpected bugs by changing versions and other things (as if you were to update the package to the newest upstream version) |
| 16:16.28 | gnarface | gele: is it just as simple as putting the debs we build into a docroot and adding that url to the sources.list? i assume there are some required files/paths to make it work? |
| 16:16.31 | alabd | what does this part mean ? > you don't have to worry about unexpected bugs by changing versions and other things (as if you were to update the package to the newest upstream version) |
| 16:16.37 | SuperNull | errr quick resolution for GPG errors on apt-get update.. ? |
| 16:16.59 | gele | gnarface: i'm not sure. i did it a long time ago but i've forgotten what was required. |
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| 16:17.34 | gnarface | alabd: it means debian squeeze will never have php6 |
| 16:17.45 | TheCoffeMaker | nevyn, is there any package that I can install to be able to use it or it's just a system setup ? |
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| 16:19.41 | Crypticfortune | So, in the process of restoring this broken system, I'm trying to reinstall this ancient version of VirtualBox (3.0.14), but the original Sun package has an invaliad version number in the control file (3.0.14-58977_Debian_lenny). it might not be a well respected thing to do, but any idea might be able to the control/contents and repackage it? |
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| 16:20.03 | alabd | gnarface: it mean squeeze php updates are only security updates ? |
| 16:20.42 | Crypticfortune | s/idea might/idea how I might/ |
| 16:20.52 | spersaud | TheCoffeMaker: lsusb ? |
| 16:21.14 | spersaud | nevyn: its the GWC card .. I see it listed under aplay -l |
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| 16:22.39 | spersaud | http://pastebin.com/ivZ2j7dM |
| 16:22.48 | spersaud | TheCoffeMaker: http://pastebin.com/ivZ2j7dM |
| 16:23.04 | gnarface | alabd: i'm not sure but i don't think they necessarily mean *only* security updates but they mean definitely no major version changes and no major API changes |
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| 16:23.33 | madm1ke | hi. i am trying to figure out why wheeyz is still vulnerable to cve 2012-0056. i came across http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=linux-2.6 and understand why the patched unstable-kernel is not yet in testing. still i cannot understand why testing won't be patched directly. |
| 16:23.59 | alabd | wana ask you , do you think debian secuirty team is stronger that redhat security team ? , |
| 16:24.11 | gnarface | haha |
| 16:24.23 | gnarface | alabd: redhat has a security team? |
| 16:25.03 | TheCoffeMaker | spersaud, I guess that it's Bus 006 Device 002: ID 0d8c:0102 C-Media Electronics, Inc. CM106 Like Sound Device |
| 16:25.04 | Hydroxide | guys - please don't insult other distros here. both debian and red hat have security teams, and they even collaborate on some things |
| 16:25.13 | spersaud | TheCoffeMaker: correct |
| 16:25.14 | alabd | someone said gnarface yes |
| 16:25.17 | gnarface | alabd: i've got no educated information on the matter other than the fact that redhat's shit always seems to require SELinux which is a huge pain in the ass and adds only theoretical security |
| 16:25.40 | TheCoffeMaker | spersaud did you googled it ? |
| 16:25.45 | Hydroxide | gnarface: on red hat it's easy to turn off SELinux, though it is on by default. but, let's refocus on debian here, please. |
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| 16:26.40 | nemysis | hello to all |
| 16:26.43 | Hydroxide | madm1ke: to answer your question, testing usually doesn't receive security support from debian's security team, except sometimes close to a release. the fixed kernel probably was uploaded to unstable with a higher urgency than a typical upload, but other requirements exist to get it into testing |
| 16:26.58 | gnarface | alabd: i would say that debian's quality assurance process as a whole is superior to redhat's |
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| 16:27.08 | Hydroxide | madm1ke: though I haven't personally checked, I presume Debian stable has gotten fixed, which is where our priority security efforts go |
| 16:27.23 | spersaud | TheCoffeMaker: yes |
| 16:27.27 | gnarface | alabd: furthermore i would say that debian's package repository is richer and more nuanced than redhat's |
| 16:27.39 | madm1ke | Hydroxide: stable is not vulnerable, kernel 2.6.39 and above |
| 16:27.44 | alabd | gnarface: why superior ? |
| 16:27.45 | Hydroxide | madm1ke: okay. |
| 16:27.48 | spersaud | TheCoffeMaker: how do I switch sound cards with alsa ? |
| 16:27.58 | spersaud | how do I switch my sound card with alsa ? |
| 16:28.04 | gnarface | alabd: if you follow the rules shit breaks way less often in debian than any other distro i've dealt with |
| 16:28.13 | TheCoffeMaker | spersaud, did you run alsamixer command ? |
| 16:28.18 | madm1ke | Hydroxide: so to be clear, I cannot rely on important (local root exploit) fixes to be patched to testing directly? |
| 16:29.04 | gnarface | alabd: i don't have statistics to back that statement up or anything, but if you're a sysadmin for hire its a noticeable difference with debian |
| 16:29.06 | TheCoffeMaker | spersaud, actually ... alsamixer is the way to fix a lot of sound devices issues like internals mic |
| 16:29.59 | Hydroxide | madm1ke: security updates in testing are known to be irregular, unreliable, and not managed by the security team. the purpose of testing is to be a staging area for the next release, not to be a reliable rock-solid environment into which to invite multiple untrusted local users or to use in a security-critical single-user environment. that's Debian stable. |
| 16:30.31 | Hydroxide | madm1ke: http://www.debian.org/security/faq#testing has more information. |
| 16:30.31 | spersaud | YESS!!! |
| 16:30.33 | alabd | gnarface: what do you mean of rules shit |
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| 16:31.32 | Hydroxide | madm1ke: some security updates do get into testing via means other than unstable - see that FAQ as well as http://secure-testing-master.debian.net/ - but it's a different team, involving many fewer guarantees and less testing |
| 16:32.01 | Hydroxide | alabd: "following the rules" in this case means realizing the different guarantees between the different releases, among other things |
| 16:32.05 | Hydroxide | *the different versions of debian |
| 16:32.10 | gnarface | alabd: there are rules, and they're extensive and verbose and you could study them for a long time but in general read the instructions first |
| 16:32.33 | gnarface | alabd: don't do crazy stuff like upgrade to sid then try to downgrade |
| 16:32.39 | gnarface | don't try to use the unstable installer unless yo uhave to |
| 16:32.42 | Hydroxide | gnarface: in my paid professional sysadmin life, I have had a simialr experience, fwiw |
| 16:32.43 | gnarface | don't chmod anything 777 |
| 16:32.57 | gnarface | don't install ubuntu packages |
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| 16:33.14 | gnarface | don't skip over an update (dont' go from squeeze straight to sid) |
| 16:33.31 | gnarface | don't manually edit stuff outside of /etc or /home |
| 16:33.37 | spersaud | TheCoffeMaker: you are useless ... |
| 16:33.45 | ws2k3 | can u cpulimit multiple processes with this rule: -e, --exe=FILE name of the executable program file |
| 16:34.12 | Hydroxide | gnarface: not sure about squeeze->sid being bad - but, yes, generally you're saying great bits of advice. and anyone using sid at all needs to be ready to deal with breakage when it occurs, and to review proposed package updates carefully |
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| 16:34.49 | freaky[t] | hi all im having a problem. i upgraded from lenny to squeeze now i get: Your PHP MySQL library version 5.1.49 differs from your MySQL server version 5.0.51a. This may cause unpredictable behavior. in phpMyAdmin - what can I do? |
| 16:35.24 | Hydroxide | freaky[t]: sounds like you have third-party packages or backports installed |
| 16:35.40 | Hydroxide | freaky[t]: that issue shouldn't happen with only lenny packages or with only squeeze packages |
| 16:35.41 | freaky[t] | Hydroxide ok and what can I do now? i dont use 3rd party repos. |
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| 16:36.20 | simonlnu | a) didn't finish the upgrade b) don't mix repos when upgrading c) fix it by making sure those version match |
| 16:36.52 | freaky[t] | the upgrade was finished. how can i make sure the versions match? |
| 16:36.56 | Hydroxide | freaky[t]: type "cat /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.d/* /etc/apt/preferences /etc/apt/preferences.d/*" and go to http://paste.debian.net/, put the output there, and give us the URL |
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| 16:37.22 | Hydroxide | even if you only use official debian repositories including backports, that's still useful to help us help you |
| 16:37.24 | alabd | gnarface: osrry and what do you mean of breaks way |
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| 16:38.14 | sidh | Greetings |
| 16:38.15 | gnarface | alabd: less bugs |
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| 16:38.23 | freaky[t] | Hydroxide it says: cat: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*: No such file or directory cat: /etc/apt/preferences.d/*: No such file or directory |
| 16:38.30 | gnarface | alabd: if you keep it updated, less bugs |
| 16:38.34 | Hydroxide | freaky[t]: that's fine. the /etc/apt/sources.list part shouldn't say that |
| 16:38.41 | Hydroxide | freaky[t]: the parts ending in .d might |
| 16:38.42 | gnarface | alabd: if you keep it updated, less bugs during updates |
| 16:38.51 | sidh | I've just installed a basesystem with squeeze + backport |
| 16:38.55 | Hydroxide | freaky[t]: but you shoudl have at least /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 16:39.20 | alabd | gnarface: someone said , server managment tools are better in centos than debian |
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| 16:39.26 | freaky[t] | Hydroxide i found the error |
| 16:39.28 | freaky[t] | http://stuff.freakyonline.de/hydroxide.txt <-- |
| 16:39.47 | Hydroxide | ah |
| 16:39.48 | Hydroxide | yeah |
| 16:39.48 | sidh | now I'm in the Xorg part, and I would like to see if it is possible to install xserver-xorg without nouveau driver ? |
| 16:40.07 | freaky[t] | Hydroxide where is the file again with the pinning? |
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| 16:40.23 | freaky[t] | preferences |
| 16:40.34 | Crypticfortune | sweet. dpkg-deb can do what i want. done and done! ancient binary installed =P |
| 16:40.36 | simonlnu | alabd: 'better' is vague, and often relative |
| 16:40.39 | Hydroxide | freaky[t]: /etc/apt/preferences |
| 16:40.44 | gnarface | alabd: i disagree. the server management tools are just easier to use in centos |
| 16:40.56 | Hydroxide | freaky[t]: so sounds like you want to remove the contents of /etc/apt/preferences (blanking it or removing it will both work) |
| 16:40.57 | alabd | gnarface: or centos secuirty tools are better .. |
| 16:41.05 | gnarface | alabd: just easier to use |
| 16:41.13 | Hydroxide | freaky[t]: and then update and dist-upgrade |
| 16:41.20 | Hydroxide | or update and upgrade |
| 16:41.24 | gnarface | alabd: debian is minimalist and more flexible |
| 16:41.39 | freaky[t] | thank you very much Hydroxide for your help :D |
| 16:41.45 | Hydroxide | np :) |
| 16:41.49 | jhutchins_wk | alabd: The same security tools are available for Debian as for RH. |
| 16:42.30 | Hydroxide | freaky[t]: I'm also not familiar with mirror.hetzner.de - is it just giving you standard debian stuff? the URL looks a bit atypical. if it's third-party packages, it's worth examining. if it's not, it seems redundant with the debian and security mirrors. |
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| 16:43.42 | gnarface | alabd: yea lots of the same tools in centos are also available in debian. the difference with any distribution is just in the defaults |
| 16:43.51 | freaky[t] | it's the debian mirror of my hosting provider |
| 16:44.22 | freaky[t] | Your PHP MySQL library version 5.1.49 differs from your MySQL server version 5.0.51a. This may cause unpredictable behavior. <-- Hydroxide i still get this do i have to do anything else? |
| 16:44.33 | freaky[t] | wait |
| 16:45.08 | freaky[t] | hm no still getting it |
| 16:45.10 | freaky[t] | i restarted apache |
| 16:45.12 | freaky[t] | but didnt help |
| 16:45.24 | freaky[t] | but it updated mysql and php5 stuff |
| 16:45.41 | freaky[t] | and still the same error |
| 16:45.47 | freaky[t] | hm ... am i missing something? |
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| 16:46.02 | freaky[t] | restart mysql one moment |
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| 16:46.35 | freaky[t] | also didnt help, Hydroxide any idea? |
| 16:47.05 | simonlnu | freaky[t]: dpkg -l php5-mysql mysql-server |
| 16:47.43 | freaky[t] | ii php5-mysql 5.3.3-7+squeez MySQL module for php5 |
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| 16:48.05 | alabd | gnarface: thanks |
| 16:48.16 | Hydroxide | freaky[t]: also, grep -h ^Origin: /var/lib/apt/lists/*_Release (that will be several lines so use http://paste.debian.net/ or just tell us if anything is other than "Origin: Debian" and "Origin: Debian Backports" |
| 16:48.19 | simonlnu | freaky[t]: and the other one? |
| 16:48.21 | Hydroxide | ) |
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| 16:48.45 | freaky[t] | simonlnu: un mysql-server <none> (no description available) |
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| 16:49.09 | simonlnu | freaky[t]: do 'mysql*server' instead |
| 16:49.30 | Hydroxide | he may not have mysql server installed on this |
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| 16:49.35 | Hydroxide | I think he wants libmysqlclient\* |
| 16:49.38 | simonlnu | is curious |
| 16:49.38 | freaky[t] | Hydroxide http://pastie.org/3289875 |
| 16:49.47 | freaky[t] | simonlnu still the same - un |
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| 16:49.54 | simonlnu | possibly.. i also have my doubts |
| 16:50.06 | simonlnu | *nods*. probably with the isp |
| 16:50.23 | Hydroxide | freaky[t]: might you or your hosting provider have installed any php or mysql related stuff in a way that wasn't via a package? |
| 16:50.30 | Hydroxide | or phpmyadmin or apache or so on? |
| 16:50.38 | simonlnu | or those =) |
| 16:50.39 | freaky[t] | Hydroxide i use plesk |
| 16:50.41 | Hydroxide | ah |
| 16:51.02 | simonlnu | oh, ow |
| 16:51.12 | Hydroxide | I have no idea what plesk installs - a lot of times those control panels do weird things separate from the package management system |
| 16:51.19 | Hydroxide | occasionally even overwriting packages |
| 16:51.28 | Hydroxide | *occasionally even overwriting files from packages |
| 16:51.34 | freaky[t] | simonlnu http://pastie.org/3289895 <-- i get several things |
| 16:51.39 | simonlnu | those cps are sometimes very invasive |
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| 16:52.15 | simonlnu | ooh, hey |
| 16:52.18 | Hydroxide | freaky[t]: well you still seem to have some lenny stuff installed |
| 16:52.27 | freaky[t] | Hydroxide how do i uninstall? |
| 16:52.34 | BitPuffin | Will debian unstable give me a mesa openGL version that supports higher than 1.5? |
| 16:52.47 | Hydroxide | freaky[t]: first, use COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l libmysqlclient\* to see the full package name |
| 16:52.48 | themill | !mysql squeeze |
| 16:52.49 | dpkg | Following an upgrade from lenny to squeeze, the "mysql-server-5.1" package is often not installed as a replacement to "mysql-server-5.0". "aptitude install mysql-server-5.1"; you may also need to update any customisations to your server configuration from 5.0 to 5.1 -- one common problem is the inclusion of the no-longer-supported "skip-bdb" option in my.cnf which leads to the daemon failing to start (and dpkg and apt complaining). |
| 16:52.54 | BitPuffin | well. will it give me 7.11.2 |
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| 16:53.41 | nsadmin | find out what version sid has |
| 16:53.50 | alabd | gnarface: would you join #centos ? |
| 16:54.08 | freaky[t] | Hydroxide: http://pastie.org/private/aj5jdlgbmobwy5so2unpeg |
| 16:54.12 | simonlnu | ,v libgl1-mesa-glx |
| 16:54.13 | judd | Package: libgl1-mesa-glx on i386 -- lenny: 7.0.3-7; squeeze: 7.7.1-5; squeeze-backports: 7.10.3-4~bpo60+1; sid: 7.11.2-1; wheezy: 7.11.2-1 |
| 16:54.47 | freaky[t] | Hydroxide should i do what the bot postet by request of themill? |
| 16:55.24 | themill | freaky[t]: (I've not been paying close attention to what you've been doing) what happens if you "aptitude install mysql-server-5.1"? |
| 16:55.28 | nsadmin | looks like wheezy will too |
| 16:55.36 | simonlnu | freaky[t]: just purge the 5.0.x libs |
| 16:55.54 | gnarface | alabd: hell no, i've got better things to do than get in a flame war |
| 16:55.55 | simonlnu | themill: he doesn't have the server there, only client libs |
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| 16:56.44 | Hydroxide | themill: apt-get --purge remove libmysqlclient15-dev libmysqlclient15off |
| 16:56.46 | boakun | <boakun> hi im trying to install debian from a usb stick, i seem to be stuck on "install base system" |
| 16:56.47 | boakun | <boakun> The installer cannot figure out how to install the base system. no installable CD-ROM was found and no valid mirror was configured. |
| 16:56.47 | boakun | <boakun> i have debian-6.0.4-amd64-netinst on root of usb stick |
| 16:56.47 | boakun | <boakun> *.iso |
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| 16:56.49 | themill | simonlnu: and he doesn't want the server? that's on a different machine? |
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| 16:56.59 | simonlnu | themill: different machine yes |
| 16:57.05 | themill | ok... ignore me then! |
| 16:57.07 | freaky[t] | simonlnu it installs the server |
| 16:57.21 | simonlnu | freaky[t]: what does? |
| 16:57.26 | Hydroxide | freaky[t]: if you want the server to be installed, you will want to remove mysql-server-5.0 and isntall mysql-server-5.1, yes |
| 16:57.27 | Sc0rian | hello all.. im trying to install the new e1000e driver from sourceforge.. when i write make install it says: http://pastie.org/3289926 |
| 16:57.43 | Hydroxide | freaky[t]: but if plesk is installing the server for you, then it's hard for us to know what it's doing |
| 16:57.44 | freaky[t] | now im getting this: http://pastie.org/3289927 |
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| 16:58.01 | simonlnu | pastie.org doesn't like w3m |
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| 16:58.15 | freaky[t] | Hydroxide do u mean me with apt-get --purge remove libmysqlclient15-dev libmysqlclient15off ? |
| 16:58.20 | alex-_ | debhelper: why is boakun booted? |
| 16:58.27 | boakun | cause i flooded |
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| 16:58.42 | Hydroxide | freaky[t]: yeah. though that shouldn't be related to why the server won't start |
| 16:58.58 | Hydroxide | needs to refocus on his paid job for a bit - others here can continue to help you |
| 16:59.01 | Hydroxide | good luck |
| 16:59.05 | jhutchins_wk | themill: You just cleared one of my placeholders for not upgrading my server yet. |
| 16:59.16 | boakun | im trying to figure out why i cant install the debian base system |
| 16:59.19 | Sc0rian | anyone? |
| 16:59.28 | jhutchins_wk | themill: I think that's the only one left besides "time to handle possible glitches". |
| 16:59.33 | freaky[t] | Hydroxide if i do that command it tells me it will remove plesk |
| 16:59.50 | themill | jhutchins_wk: luckily you still have 6 days to handle those glitches. |
| 17:00.20 | Hydroxide | freaky[t]: in that case, I thnk you need to consult with your hosting provider's support team. plesk is something third-party, and clearly you have some third-party packages installed - at minimum plesk |
| 17:00.30 | Hydroxide | freaky[t]: and it's not just installed but also related to the current issue |
| 17:00.38 | jhutchins_wk | boakun: If you put more text on one line with fewer CRs you can do what you were trying to do. |
| 17:00.43 | simonlnu | Sc0rian: a) don't compile stuff as root b) does that source match the kernel (or closely)? |
| 17:00.57 | Hydroxide | freaky[t]: even if it's not done via an apt repository |
| 17:01.03 | Sc0rian | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:01.15 | Sc0rian | it says in readme |
| 17:01.22 | freaky[t] | ok thanks now no mysql server runs lol |
| 17:01.23 | boakun | ya jhutchins |
| 17:01.28 | jhutchins_wk | themill: I understand that the world will end and any system running lenny will disappear in a spectacular cloud of smoke, but I'm willing to risk it. Got another project right now. |
| 17:01.36 | boakun | as per flooding anyway |
| 17:02.02 | simonlnu | Sc0rian: yes but 2.6 has a lot of variation in some things |
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| 17:02.11 | boakun | dont know why it keeps trying to load installer information from the cdrom |
| 17:02.17 | boakun | since i have all the files on the usb stick |
| 17:02.23 | Hydroxide | freaky[t]: alternatively, you can proceed to remove plesk - but in any case, if you upgraded from lenny to squeeze, either you'd need an updated version of plesk that properly supports squeeze or you'll want to avoid using plesk anyway |
| 17:02.25 | jhutchins_wk | !usb install |
| 17:02.25 | dpkg | You can install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key on x86 systems, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s03 and ask me about <install debian> for hybrid CD/DVD images. https://launchpad.net/win32-image-writer/+download to prepare from Windows. BIOS can't boot from USB? Use http://www.plop.at/en/bootmanager.html |
| 17:02.25 | Sc0rian | oh right.. do you want to know which 2.6.x i am on? |
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| 17:02.40 | simonlnu | Sc0rian: is there a reason you're building the upstream out of kernel driver? |
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| 17:02.53 | Hydroxide | freaky[t]: imagine using a comprehensive Windows XP configuration tool on Windows Vista with no changes. wouldn't work well :) |
| 17:03.00 | freaky[t] | Hydroxide can u just tell me how to install the old mysql server again? because it wont start now ... the problem is it keeps selecting 5.1 instead of 5.0 if i try to install 5.0? |
| 17:03.01 | Hydroxide | same kind of thing |
| 17:03.03 | jhutchins_wk | boakun: Many people make the mistake of using the boot.iso which is meant to load other media. |
| 17:03.06 | Sc0rian | i have 4 servers that are exatly the same and im getting tons of dropped packets |
| 17:03.12 | Sc0rian | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:03.27 | Hydroxide | freaky[t]: squeeze doesn't include 5.0 I don't think |
| 17:03.27 | simonlnu | Sc0rian: :(. good reason :) |
| 17:03.28 | BitPuffin | That's nice |
| 17:03.30 | boudiccas | is there such a programme that can read a music cd/dvd and give a dump of the music contents such that it could be inserted into a spreadsheet or database please? |
| 17:03.34 | boakun | hmm |
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| 17:03.56 | jhutchins_wk | boakun: You can get one of the images that runs as either an installer or a live CD/USB. |
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| 17:04.04 | Sc0rian | the driver in the kernel is version: 1.2.20-k2 and the latest one is 1.9.5! |
| 17:04.12 | Sc0rian | so why cant i complie it :( |
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| 17:04.20 | Sc0rian | i can compile it in ubuntu |
| 17:04.21 | simonlnu | Sc0rian: might want a bpo kernel? |
| 17:04.25 | nsadmin | boudiccas, put that question verbatim into google and see what happens |
| 17:04.27 | jhutchins_wk | Sc0rian: Oh noes! Someone else has a bigger number! |
| 17:04.36 | boakun | ya i do im in the debian installer |
| 17:04.37 | boakun | the guide i folowed said to put the netinstl.iso on usb root |
| 17:04.37 | boakun | which i did |
| 17:04.44 | Sc0rian | but im pretty sure i can compile it in ubuntu then copy the .ko file! |
| 17:04.47 | simonlnu | Sc0rian: no point is comparing distros, they patch things differently sometimes |
| 17:04.48 | boudiccas | nsadmin; k, i'm game for a laugh :) |
| 17:04.53 | Sc0rian | bpo kernel? |
| 17:04.54 | Hydroxide | freaky[t]: my guess is you can use whatever you did in plesk before to reinstall the server, but it's not something we can help with |
| 17:04.57 | simonlnu | !bpo |
| 17:04.58 | dpkg | backports.debian.org (formerly backports.org) is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ to enable and use. See also <bdo kernel> <bdo mirrors> <bdo contents> <bdo list> <bdo bugs> <bdo pinning> <bdo key> <backports-sloppy> <bdo xorg>. http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100905 |
| 17:05.05 | Hydroxide | freaky[t]: or really much of anything on a system that's controlled extensively by plesk |
| 17:05.26 | simonlnu | jhutchins_wk: hehe |
| 17:05.31 | nsadmin | boudiccas, another laugh is what can happen if you put verbatim error messages into google or other search engine |
| 17:05.32 | Sc0rian | install a bpo kenerl then try and make it? |
| 17:05.41 | simonlnu | no, just use it |
| 17:05.45 | Sc0rian | oh |
| 17:05.51 | Hydroxide | plesk and cpanel and most such programs don't really pay much attention to how the underlying systems normally work |
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| 17:06.09 | Sc0rian | how will this fix things? |
| 17:06.10 | simonlnu | no they don't. they're awful that way. it's intentional. |
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| 17:06.28 | Sc0rian | and for what reason can i not compile this driver? |
| 17:06.32 | Hydroxide | but if your version of plesk only supports lenny and then you upgraded to squeeze and want to continue using plesk, all I can suggest is to go to your plesk provider (who might be your hosting provider) to get a newer version |
| 17:06.33 | nsadmin | what's the intention behind that? |
| 17:06.34 | simonlnu | Sc0rian: try it, it might solve it, and it'll save you having to rebuild it |
| 17:06.38 | boakun | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/release/current-live/i386/usb-hdd/ |
| 17:06.41 | boakun | only i386 live images? |
| 17:07.20 | nsadmin | you want amd68/x86-64? |
| 17:07.23 | simonlnu | i'd suggest only one box, and if it doesn't work out, we can work on it |
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| 17:07.35 | boakun | nsadmin ya |
| 17:07.57 | Sc0rian | id rather try the driver approach! |
| 17:08.06 | nsadmin | ok, can you burn cds the machine can boot off? |
| 17:08.08 | jhutchins_wk | !free whcp |
| 17:08.08 | dpkg | FOSS Web Hosting Control Panels include: <DTC>, <GNUPanel>, <ISPConfig> and <ispCP> Omega. Don't use <Webmin>. http://wiki.debian.org/HostingControlPanels |
| 17:08.10 | Sc0rian | its worth a stab i agree |
| 17:08.18 | boakun | yes i can burn cds |
| 17:08.26 | freaky[t] | Hydroxide ok but how can i install server 5.0 again because it wont let me do it by just using apt-get install mysql-server-5.0 because it selects 5.1 instead? |
| 17:08.43 | nsadmin | got blanks? can the target machine boot from them? do you want to do it this way? |
| 17:08.55 | simonlnu | brb |
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| 17:08.59 | Sc0rian | http://backports-master.debian.org/Instructions/ |
| 17:09.03 | boakun | rather use usb drive to be honest |
| 17:09.06 | Sc0rian | do this i guess simonlnu? |
| 17:09.09 | nsadmin | and, do you want to install or just run a live? |
| 17:09.13 | boakun | install |
| 17:09.42 | nsadmin | ok. can you give me an idea about the things you're blocked by? |
| 17:09.52 | boakun | what do you mean |
| 17:09.55 | Hydroxide | freaky[t]: I said you need to turn to plesk if you want to do that. lenny has 5.0, squeeze doesn't. you can download the mysql-server-5.0 from http://packages.debian.org/mysql-server-5.0 if you really want, but there's no guarantee it'll work properly on squeeze |
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| 17:10.02 | boakun | im not blocked by anything |
| 17:10.25 | nsadmin | boakun, ok. howbout starting with a squeeze netinstall? |
| 17:10.35 | freaky[t] | Hydroxide i hope it didnt update databases? |
| 17:10.52 | SeySayux | Hi. "-bash: shutdown: command not found" -- erm? What do I do? |
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| 17:11.03 | Hydroxide | freaky[t]: probably not, but I'm not an expert on what happens during that upgrade |
| 17:11.09 | freaky[t] | Hydroxide ok |
| 17:11.21 | Hydroxide | freaky[t]: but if you meant to upgrade to squeeze, you'll want to upgrade to mysql 5.1 anyway |
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| 17:11.35 | _KaszpiR_ | SeySayux try sudo shutdown |
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| 17:12.04 | boa | nsadmin this is what my debian usb stick looks like http://i.imgur.com/Qn91u.png |
| 17:12.21 | SeySayux | Oh, great, {,/usr}/sbin isn't in my PATH by default. |
| 17:12.40 | Hydroxide | SeySayux: yes, that's the debian default for non-root. feel free to change your dotfiles otherwise |
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| 17:12.53 | alabd | gnarface: joned #centos-social there wont be war , |
| 17:12.55 | SeySayux | Didn't know that, thanks :) |
| 17:12.58 | Hydroxide | SeySayux: or you can specify the prefix |
| 17:13.03 | Hydroxide | SeySayux: and for root it is in the default |
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| 17:13.23 | nsadmin | boa, if you want to you can write that netinst image onto a cd |
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| 17:13.26 | boa | nsadmin i prepared it following this, http://linux.koolsolutions.com/2009/02/25/installing-linux-on-usb-part-7-install-debian-linux-from-usb-drive/ |
| 17:13.36 | nsadmin | does it boot? |
| 17:13.40 | boa | ya it boots |
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| 17:13.45 | boa | but debian fails at instabll base system |
| 17:13.50 | SeySayux | right, I tought I was logged in as root, but instead I'm logged in as my user account, which added to my confusion. That, and the fact that this is an ARM machine, so perhaps there were no reboot or shutdown binaries. |
| 17:13.52 | boa | complains it cant load from cd-rom |
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| 17:14.16 | nsadmin | ok, can you establish networking when it first mentions that? |
| 17:14.21 | nsadmin | brb nb |
| 17:14.25 | boa | ya dhcp works fine |
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| 17:17.17 | nsadmin | ok, cool... so, the netinst installer -should- pull stuff off of the net (including parts of itself encapsulated in udebs) |
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| 17:17.26 | boa | ya but it doesnt |
| 17:17.35 | boa | just complains that it cant read from cd-rom |
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| 17:18.25 | gnarface | boa: do you have a path to the cdrom in your sources.list? |
| 17:18.27 | nsadmin | ok... I'm not sure why that happens... why not write the image to a cd blank? |
| 17:18.45 | boa | im not even using the cdrom |
| 17:18.48 | boa | its irrelevant |
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| 17:19.00 | boa | it was complaiing about the .fw file for the nic |
| 17:19.06 | boa | which i then put on the usb drive, yet it still bitched |
| 17:19.09 | boa | i should investigate that |
| 17:19.21 | freaky[t] | perfect now nothing works anymore. the error was ok and who told me to install the 5.1 server :( can u tell me how to downgrade? |
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| 17:20.27 | nsadmin | boa, it's relevent in the sense it's a possible way to install... since you said: have blanks, can burn, target can boot from cd |
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| 17:20.34 | nsadmin | that's all you need for that path |
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| 17:20.39 | boa | ya it couldnt seem to find the cd-rom |
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| 17:20.42 | boa | dunno why |
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| 17:22.44 | nsadmin | boa, ok, so you've actually prepared a blank already and went down that path? |
| 17:22.57 | boa | im gonna try this one more time then ill use a cdr if it doesnt work |
| 17:23.30 | boakun | its correct to just put the netinstall .iso on root of usb drive? |
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| 17:23.44 | alabd | gnarface: ok , what are other benefits with debian server rather than centos except having less bugs ? |
| 17:24.15 | nsadmin | I'm not remembering exactly where it goes... are you using flexible method or easy/simple method? |
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| 17:25.09 | boakun | i honestly dont know |
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| 17:25.25 | nsadmin | knows a really cute, short latina named Unity |
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| 17:25.35 | boakun | hmm |
| 17:25.42 | boakun | succesfully mounted stable installer iso image |
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| 17:26.24 | boakun | expert install looks weird |
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| 17:28.06 | boakun | i think the .iso file may have been damaged earlier |
| 17:28.10 | boakun | will see in ~5 minutes |
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| 17:28.26 | morphje | that's what md5sums are for |
| 17:28.29 | nsadmin | ok :) but it mounted... that's different right? |
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| 17:29.06 | boakun | ya i know |
| 17:29.06 | boakun | md5sums are helpful |
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| 17:29.50 | boakun | http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/#netinst-stable |
| 17:29.57 | boakun | i guess the md5's are on the servert itself |
| 17:29.58 | morphje | saying that offcourse i mostly fail myself in checking them |
| 17:29.59 | morphje | :D |
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| 17:30.21 | nsadmin | boakun, that would make sense... they're kept with the file |
| 17:30.26 | boakun | ya |
| 17:30.39 | boakun | im not a huge fan with what ubuntu is doing lately |
| 17:30.41 | boakun | unity bar = ugly |
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| 17:31.01 | nsadmin | I never even seen unity yet (other than the cute latina :) |
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| 17:31.10 | boakun | heh |
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| 17:31.45 | nsadmin | I was told the night I played my world music gig that she's going for her doctorate |
| 17:31.51 | boakun | whats the advantage to havingh /var /tmp /home etc on diff partitions |
| 17:31.55 | nythrow1 | Hello guys. Where can I download netinstall daily build? |
| 17:32.03 | boakun | from the server id gathom |
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| 17:32.11 | morphje | boakun, i was introduced to unity a few days ago. about 2 mins later i was googling on how to get rid of it :D |
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| 17:32.18 | boakun | lol |
| 17:32.18 | nsadmin | on a server, you want to protect / from getting full |
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| 17:32.38 | boakun | you kinda dont want / full on any platform |
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| 17:33.00 | nsadmin | that can help with having year-long uptimes |
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| 17:33.07 | boakun | its installing base system now :D |
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| 17:33.17 | nsadmin | yay :) what did you do? |
| 17:33.21 | boakun | i dl'd the netinstall .iso from torrent this time |
| 17:33.23 | boakun | instead of web dl heh |
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| 17:33.50 | HSorgYves | morning, i am using apf-firewall and i have just noticed that r-fx networks also offer bfd (brute force detection) for apf. however i can't find this package in debian... doesn't it exist? |
| 17:34.03 | nsadmin | oh ok, so the md5sum failed to match? |
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| 17:34.14 | boakun | ya on the old file |
| 17:34.16 | boakun | clearly an issue |
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| 17:34.40 | boakun | i mostly ran gentoo in the past |
| 17:34.43 | boakun | quite differnt installs |
| 17:34.54 | nythrow1 | Any answers? |
| 17:35.00 | nsadmin | yeah, debian is way way different |
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| 17:35.13 | boakun | gentoo is just more time spent in /etc heh |
| 17:35.18 | nsadmin | the only answer I have is 42 |
| 17:35.30 | boakun | its over 9000 |
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| 17:35.51 | boakun | wtf |
| 17:35.58 | boakun | my washing machine is singing a meledy :/ |
| 17:36.01 | boakun | melody* |
| 17:36.12 | morphje | which ? |
| 17:36.12 | nsadmin | as you get deeper you'll find things you like and things you don't |
| 17:36.34 | nsadmin | daisy daisy... |
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| 17:36.45 | boakun | this is dling pretty sloow |
| 17:36.47 | nsadmin | give me ur nsr do |
| 17:36.52 | boakun | 27 mins total on a 50 mbit line :/ |
| 17:36.57 | somiaj | boakun: I like /home on a different partition because I can resinstall my os without having to backup my user data. Also depending on if you want to mount / as read-only, you can seperate off other stuff. Turns out /usr on another partition is an artifiact of the original UNIX getting to big for a floppy drive so they had to put some stuff on a different drive (Though you can also use it as a different partition and mount it via nfs if you w |
| 17:37.17 | boakun | how big is your /home partition |
| 17:37.25 | nsadmin | 40g |
| 17:37.36 | nsadmin | or did I expand it again |
| 17:37.44 | boakun | i must have bad routing to this server |
| 17:37.51 | boakun | pretty hit or miss |
| 17:38.18 | somiaj | really I use the rest of my disk space, on this laptop I have 20gigs for root (which is way to much I am using about 11gigs of which 4gigs are archives of packages, and the rest is /home |
| 17:38.33 | boakun | ah |
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| 17:38.58 | boakun | i wonder if i should get more ram |
| 17:39.03 | boakun | 12gb of ddr3 is decent i suppose |
| 17:39.04 | nsadmin | even on my laptop I separate /var /usr /home /tmp and some other custom ones |
| 17:39.05 | raz | hmm. mysterious bug. on a dedi box suddenly imagemagick 'convert' would consistently take ~4sec for an image that normally only takes 0.002. even after everything else on the box was stopped. no hardware issues visible. only reboot would fix it. anyone ever had such a thing before? |
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| 17:39.09 | somiaj | since I figured for the most part the data I care to store/keep is uesr data. /var is common to put in databases, webpages and the like, so that needs to be big on say a server in which you store all the data there. |
| 17:39.26 | morphje | HSorgYves: not that i've worked with bfd, but it seems like a collection of shell scripts to me. Shouldn't installing that be rather easy ? |
| 17:39.32 | boakun | this dl is strange |
| 17:39.36 | boakun | went from 52 mins left to 26 |
| 17:39.40 | somiaj | boakun: you'll have to try hard to use all that, my desktop has 12gigs of ram with no swap, even when running two clients of eve-online I barely get up to 3-4gigs of ussage |
| 17:39.52 | nsadmin | I put postgres data on a separate partition in at least one case |
| 17:39.58 | boakun | ya even win7 doesnt use it all |
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| 17:40.17 | boakun | does debian run gnome 3.x? |
| 17:40.37 | somiaj | boakun: it will be included in the next release, but squeeze is and will always be gnome 2.x |
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| 17:41.04 | nythrow1 | boakun: Yes. |
| 17:41.06 | morphje | boakun, never underestimate windows |
| 17:41.14 | boakun | win7 is decent at ram usage |
| 17:41.16 | boakun | much more so than xp |
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| 17:41.37 | boakun | im getting conflicted reposonse for gnome |
| 17:41.49 | boakun | so 6.0.3 is 2.x? |
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| 17:42.14 | morphje | and still my windows 7 runs more confortably with 4gigs of ram :) while windows xp "only" needed |
| 17:42.15 | morphje | 2 |
| 17:42.16 | somiaj | boakun: correct, squeeze uses gnome2 |
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| 17:42.30 | boakun | xp is more legacy |
| 17:42.35 | boakun | hence less demandent |
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| 17:42.43 | somiaj | boakun: many people (for foolish reasons) run testing before they understand how debian works. You can get gnome3 from doing that, but you also get a lot of bugs as well |
| 17:42.46 | boakun | so debian testing uses 3.2? |
| 17:42.51 | morphje | but since this is #debian, i'm not gonna advertise my windows install too much. Don't want to end up on a bulleye ;) |
| 17:42.57 | boakun | i ran "testing" on gentoo |
| 17:43.00 | boakun | prob isnt any more advanced |
| 17:43.04 | boakun | debain that is |
| 17:43.11 | boakun | testing = have bugtrackers handy heh |
| 17:43.18 | nsadmin | boakun, squeeze backport has 3.2 as well |
| 17:43.26 | boakun | i wonder whta 3.2 looks like |
| 17:43.27 | nsadmin | already compiled |
| 17:43.40 | nsadmin | a buncha bytes? |
| 17:43.42 | themill | don't confuse gnome versions with kernel versions here |
| 17:44.01 | nsadmin | oh is that gnome? sorry :) |
| 17:44.15 | boakun | http://www.webupd8.org/2011/09/gnome-32-released-see-whats-new.html |
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| 17:44.54 | somiaj | boakun: though it is never suggested you run anything but stable. (though if you choose to run buggy/broken software I think most would be better served with sid as opposed to testing unless they want to stablalize with wheezy) |
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| 17:45.40 | boakun | i mostly jus need linux so i can work on some android stuff |
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| 17:48.22 | morphje | urgh. okay. i haven't even joined this meeting, but i already hate goto meeting. EVERY minute an anouncement that it will begin shortly |
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| 17:50.06 | jhutchins_wk | morphje: Tjat |
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| 17:50.12 | jhutchins_wk | morphje: That's just bad usage. |
| 17:50.20 | morphje | tjat ? |
| 17:50.46 | jhutchins_wk | More Linux admins know more about Windows than most Windows admins know about Linux - or about WIndows for that matter. |
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| 17:51.34 | morphje | haha, soooo true |
| 17:51.50 | nsadmin | and, that probably doesn't include those linux admins who refuse to allow any windows knowlege to poison them... |
| 17:52.16 | morphje | i always say that one needs to use the right tool for the right job |
| 17:52.24 | nsadmin | in my case I like playing games, so I learn something twice a year whether I need to or not |
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| 17:52.42 | morphje | and sadly most account manager cannot, will not, and shall not use any kind of other OS then windows |
| 17:52.43 | somiaj | though a bias statement, it is hard to be in the computer world and not know about windows, while it is easy to be in the computer world and know little about linux (unfonrtally) |
| 17:52.44 | gele | is there a tool that will make sure that all memory used by a program is locked to physical ram? something equivalent to adding a call to mlockall(MCL_CURRENT | MCL_FUTURE) at the beginning of the program. |
| 17:53.20 | gele | i want to use it with qemu to make sure that nothing from the virtual machine leaks to swap, without having to turn off swap on the host. |
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| 17:54.48 | kevlarman | gele: write a .so that does that and LD_PRELOAD it |
| 17:54.54 | morphje | nsadmin: i also know a few admins that feel that way about openvms.... annoying customers ;) |
| 17:55.03 | gele | kevlarman: ooh, nice. |
| 17:55.09 | kevlarman | gele: alternatively, use virtualbox, i found out it does the mlock() the hard way |
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| 17:55.33 | kevlarman | started up 2 vms each with half my physical memory |
| 17:55.44 | gele | kevlarman: i have qemu set up just the way i want it, so i think i'll go the LD_PRELOAD route. |
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| 17:56.07 | gele | things might still leak in the short time before my library gets to be initialised, but that's a small risk... |
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| 17:58.11 | kevlarman | gele: that will be before the guest starts up |
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| 17:58.22 | gele | kevlarman: good point. |
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| 17:59.13 | kevlarman | gele: and the point of LD_*PRE*LOAD is that you're initialized before any other shared libraries loaded |
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| 18:00.42 | gele | kevlarman: including the program itself? |
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| 18:01.23 | kevlarman | gele: my understanding is that the program gets initialised last (since it expects all of its libraries to already be in memory and working) |
| 18:01.39 | gele | kevlarman: ok, great. |
| 18:01.49 | kevlarman | don't quote me on that |
| 18:02.05 | kevlarman | i'm not very familiar with ld.so's inner workings |
| 18:02.20 | kevlarman | i just make a lot of LD_PRELOAD hooks for convenience |
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| 18:04.08 | gele | 5 lines of code and a one-line shell script, and it seems to work... nice! |
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| 18:06.31 | HSorgYves | what are you using for brute force detection? |
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| 18:06.51 | Sc0rian | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:06.55 | Sc0rian | i have now tried everything |
| 18:06.58 | Sc0rian | but it wont complie :( |
| 18:07.53 | simonlnu | Sc0rian: no go? damn |
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| 18:08.25 | Sc0rian | if i take netdev.c out of the make file |
| 18:08.28 | Sc0rian | i can make it fine |
| 18:08.37 | Sc0rian | but that seem pretty dangerous to rip files out of it... |
| 18:08.49 | simonlnu | usually not productive |
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| 18:09.45 | Sc0rian | indeed |
| 18:09.56 | simonlnu | seems to me it's missing a function for one |
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| 18:10.23 | Sc0rian | a function? |
| 18:10.32 | simonlnu | then the implicit declaration |
| 18:10.47 | simonlnu | etc. |
| 18:10.49 | Sc0rian | oh |
| 18:10.51 | Sc0rian | thats not good |
| 18:10.53 | cardamon | functions are those things that go foo(){stuff;} |
| 18:10.57 | Sc0rian | yeah |
| 18:11.08 | Sc0rian | wondering which one you notice it was missing |
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| 18:11.16 | cardamon | Or possibly foo(type bar){stuff;} |
| 18:11.23 | simonlnu | um, i'd compare sources, and see what's up with the in-kernel one |
| 18:11.37 | somiaj | could it be the headers/required functions from the squeeze kernel tree are not compadable with that module as it is designed to compile against a newer kernel source. |
| 18:11.44 | Sc0rian | is it risky to compile it without netdev? |
| 18:12.05 | somiaj | Sc0rian: why do you need to compile this new module? |
| 18:12.26 | Sc0rian | its part of the e1000e driver download |
| 18:12.40 | simonlnu | somiaj: that's part of it i think |
| 18:13.10 | jhutchins_wk | I thought we'd had e1000e since etch. |
| 18:13.12 | somiaj | Sc0rian: but why do you need to do this. The module in the 2.6.32 kernel is outdated for your hardware? Would a backported kernel have the updated module included in it? |
| 18:13.16 | simonlnu | Sc0rian: it probably wouldn't even finish building without it |
| 18:13.34 | jhutchins_wk | !e1000e |
| 18:13.37 | simonlnu | somiaj: seems the bpo kernel doesn't work either |
| 18:13.45 | simonlnu | !e1000 |
| 18:13.51 | simonlnu | bah |
| 18:14.01 | somiaj | !botsnack |
| 18:14.10 | simonlnu | !smack bot |
| 18:14.12 | somiaj | poor dpkg |
| 18:14.25 | simonlnu | timed out or something |
| 18:14.40 | jhutchins_wk | dondelelcaro: dpkg is missing |
| 18:15.48 | jhutchins_wk | e1000e is a driver for Intel PRO/1000 Ethernet adapters, part of the Linux kernel. It does not require firmware from userspace. 82577/82578 GbE LOM parts are supported as of Linux 2.6.31. See also <82579>. |
| 18:16.29 | simonlnu | ty |
| 18:16.35 | Sc0rian | sorry im back |
| 18:16.36 | Sc0rian | phone went |
| 18:16.41 | jhutchins_wk | e1000e is a driver for Intel PRO/1000 Ethernet adapters, part of the Linux kernel. It does not require firmware from userspace. 82577/82578 GbE LOM parts are supported as of Linux 2.6.31. See also <82579>. |
| 18:16.46 | simonlnu | where did it go? |
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| 18:17.04 | Sc0rian | im getting packet loss the the adapter |
| 18:17.05 | jhutchins_wk | Sc0rian: You do not need to do anything special for an e1000e driver. |
| 18:17.11 | Sc0rian | its running a very old version of the driver |
| 18:17.22 | jhutchins_wk | Sc0rian: That's because it doesn't change. |
| 18:17.24 | Sc0rian | so i want to update it to hopefully fix it |
| 18:17.38 | Sc0rian | i have 4 servers the same |
| 18:17.43 | Sc0rian | they all are doing the same thing |
| 18:17.45 | jhutchins_wk | Sc0rian: Is there something in the release notes for the newer version that addresses the problem? |
| 18:17.59 | simonlnu | packet loss and such |
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| 18:18.05 | Sc0rian | yeah |
| 18:18.05 | jhutchins_wk | Sc0rian: What kind of switch are they connected to? |
| 18:18.12 | Sc0rian | i tried two switches |
| 18:18.17 | Sc0rian | a 3com and a dlink |
| 18:18.24 | Sc0rian | i tried different network cable |
| 18:18.37 | Sc0rian | ive also tried a intel pci-e card (but it still uses the same e1000e driver) |
| 18:18.44 | somiaj | Sc0rian: has the newer version made it into newer versions of the kernel yet or is complinging it sepertally the only way? |
| 18:18.50 | jhutchins_wk | Sc0rian: You''re trying to run gigabit? |
| 18:18.54 | Sc0rian | i am |
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| 18:19.05 | boakun | okay back |
| 18:19.07 | boakun | debian installed |
| 18:19.08 | Sc0rian | i am doing it spertaly |
| 18:19.15 | Sc0rian | seperatly |
| 18:19.17 | Sc0rian | l |
| 18:19.17 | jhutchins_wk | Consumer grade GB switches are frequently not up to the task. |
| 18:19.25 | boakun | how come debian doesnt automatically make your main(non-root) part of the sudoers list |
| 18:19.36 | Sc0rian | true |
| 18:19.41 | jhutchins_wk | boakun: Debian doesn't default to sudo. |
| 18:19.43 | Sc0rian | but i have tried two switches both do it |
| 18:19.48 | Sc0rian | and i have 20servers on the 3com |
| 18:19.51 | Sc0rian | they dont have a problem |
| 18:19.53 | jhutchins_wk | !tell boakun about sudo |
| 18:19.59 | jhutchins_wk | Bah. |
| 18:20.02 | boakun | heh |
| 18:20.06 | boakun | i manually added my user to it anyway |
| 18:20.07 | jhutchins_wk | boakun: Add yourself to the sudo group. |
| 18:20.08 | somiaj | boakun: partly because 'sudo' is not included by default. Partly because it isn't nice to assume that first created user is going to be allowed root privlages. |
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| 18:20.24 | boakun | true |
| 18:20.24 | themill | boakun: you can "adduser yourusername sudo" if that's what you want |
| 18:20.25 | somiaj | boakun: but once you install sudo just add the user(s) you want to to the sudo group. |
| 18:20.31 | boakun | i just used visudo as root |
| 18:20.33 | boakun | and added it |
| 18:20.35 | jhutchins_wk | <dpkg> [sudo] (Substitute User DO) Not enabled by default on Debian systems; configure /etc/sudoers first, ask me about <visudo>, <sudoers>. sudo can give limited super user privileges to specific users, or allow you to do silly things like run X apps with root permissions, or good in scripts with "username ALL = NOPASSWD: /some/program". See also <sudo path>. http://wiki.debian.org/sudo http://www.aplawrence.com/Basics/sudo.html |
| 18:20.41 | Sc0rian | so what should i do if? |
| 18:20.52 | Sc0rian | seems dumb to run a complied driver without the netdev.c file |
| 18:20.55 | somiaj | boakun: that isn't needed if you just want blanket sudo privlages, but of course good habbits if you want more control. |
| 18:20.55 | jhutchins_wk | boakun: It's a bad idea to assume things work the same as they do in ubuntu. |
| 18:21.16 | gele | Substitute? I've always thought it was "Super User". |
| 18:21.32 | jhutchins_wk | Sc0rian: Did you find anything in the relase notes for the newer module? |
| 18:21.33 | simonlnu | "super user do" |
| 18:21.47 | somiaj | gele: nope, sudo allows an non root user to run some programs as root, but that is different than being root. |
| 18:22.10 | somiaj | gele: though lots of people just give all privlages to the sudo person, which is not always the best policy. |
| 18:22.16 | Sc0rian | http://sourceforge.net/projects/e1000/files/e1000e%20stable/1.9.5/ |
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| 18:22.18 | jhutchins_wk | su allows users to assume another user's identity. |
| 18:22.25 | gele | I just use 'su -c' instead. |
| 18:22.35 | Sc0rian | changelog is there |
| 18:22.46 | jhutchins_wk | Sc0rian: So does it address your problem? |
| 18:23.32 | jhutchins_wk | gele: That's the assumed default in debian. |
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| 18:23.55 | jhutchins_wk | Sc0rian: Which release addresses it? |
| 18:24.09 | Sc0rian | my problem? |
| 18:24.31 | jhutchins_wk | Sc0rian: Your packet loss problem. |
| 18:24.55 | Sc0rian | cant find it.. but i read in a version they improved support for rx errors |
| 18:25.06 | Sc0rian | what else can i do other than update the driver? |
| 18:25.32 | Sc0rian | nothing has changed, just started getting packet loss on all 4 servers |
| 18:25.38 | Sc0rian | most probably since a debian update |
| 18:25.41 | freaky[t] | if I did an upgrade to mysql-server-5.1 but want to go back to mysql-server-5.0 how can i do this? |
| 18:25.51 | Sc0rian | since thats the only thing that changed |
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| 18:26.50 | somiaj | freaky[t]: what version of debian, appears that mysql-server-5.0 isn't a part of squeeze |
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| 18:27.46 | boakun | epiphany is kinda laggy :/ |
| 18:29.36 | Sc0rian | ok |
| 18:29.45 | Sc0rian | i got it to compile WITH the netdev file |
| 18:29.48 | boakun | i should check my video driver |
| 18:29.52 | boakun | its prob running on nv or something lol |
| 18:29.53 | Sc0rian | however i ran make with this command "make CFLAGS_EXTRA=-DDISABLE_PM install" |
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| 18:33.02 | simonlnu | !mysql squeeze |
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| 18:34.55 | Sc0rian | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:34.57 | Sc0rian | :( |
| 18:35.12 | Sc0rian | why does it drop!!! |
| 18:35.30 | simonlnu | doesn't like you? :P |
| 18:35.35 | Sc0rian | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:35.37 | Sc0rian | haha |
| 18:35.38 | Sc0rian | yeah |
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| 18:35.47 | Sc0rian | the only thing i can think of.. i have a spare dlink network |
| 18:35.50 | Sc0rian | maybe give that a go :/ |
| 18:36.04 | simonlnu | switch ut the switch |
| 18:36.11 | Sc0rian | i have twice :( |
| 18:36.22 | simonlnu | oh |
| 18:36.24 | dselect | Hi again! Looks like dpkg got confused by the netsplit so here I am again. My db is still read-only and my address character is still %. |
| 18:36.44 | simonlnu | %hi |
| 18:36.44 | dselect | hello, simonlnu |
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| 18:39.38 | Bartzy | can 'kill' send 2 signals at once ? |
| 18:39.45 | simonlnu | no |
| 18:39.49 | Bartzy | or one after the other, without executing 'kill' twice ? |
| 18:39.49 | Bartzy | thanks. |
| 18:40.10 | Bartzy | [ ! -f /var/run/php5-fpm.pid ] || kill -USR1 `cat /var/run/php5-fpm.pid` && kill -USR2 `cat /var/run/php5-fpm.pid |
| 18:40.24 | Bartzy | both kills would run only if /var/run/php5-fpm.pid exists right ? |
| 18:40.35 | Bartzy | or the 2nd kill would run anyway ? |
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| 18:40.59 | jordanm | Bartzy: the second one will run if the PID file doesn't exist |
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| 18:41.17 | simonlnu | !wb |
| 18:41.17 | dpkg | thanks, simonlnu. It's good to be back. |
| 18:41.23 | jordanm | Bartzy: [ ! -f /var/run/php5-fpm.pid ] || { kill -USR1 `cat /var/run/php5-fpm.pid`; kill -USR2 `cat /var/run/php5-fpm.pid; } |
| 18:41.26 | Bartzy | How can I make both of the 'kill' run only when the file exists ? |
| 18:41.28 | Bartzy | cool, thanks. |
| 18:41.44 | simonlnu | that's more like it |
| 18:42.15 | dselect | dpkg, hi! |
| 18:42.16 | dpkg | hi |
| 18:42.36 | jordanm | Bartzy: oh, wait that's still wrong for what you want |
| 18:43.01 | jordanm | Bartzy: if you are using bash and not /bin/sh use: [[ -f /var/run/php5-fpm.pid ]] || { pid="$(< /var/run/php5-fpm.pid)"; kill -USR1 "$pid"; kill -USR2 "$pid"; } |
| 18:43.17 | Bartzy | jordanm: Why? Only if /var/run/php5-fpm.pid exists, it will run both queries |
| 18:43.20 | Bartzy | queries.. lol |
| 18:43.22 | Bartzy | commands |
| 18:43.25 | jordanm | Bartzy: you don't want the "!" if using || (or). the right side of || runs if the left is not true |
| 18:43.33 | simonlnu | mr. fancy-pants uber-scripter ;) |
| 18:43.53 | nsadmin | is mysql any good yet? |
| 18:44.00 | Bartzy | no |
| 18:44.10 | jordanm | its been "good enough" for years |
| 18:44.24 | simonlnu | maria(db) is better but still mysql |
| 18:44.24 | nsadmin | yeah, I get that |
| 18:44.27 | nsadmin | so is pg |
| 18:44.44 | nsadmin | well pg is not mysql |
| 18:44.53 | Bartzy | jordanm: OK, and the left part will be not true when the file exists |
| 18:44.57 | Sc0rian | 319556 packets captured 413637 packets dropped by kernel 663 packets dropped by interface |
| 18:44.59 | Sc0rian | :/ |
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| 18:45.09 | gnarface | ,versions stud |
| 18:45.10 | judd | Package: stud on i386 -- sid: 0.3-1; wheezy: 0.3-1 |
| 18:45.21 | jordanm | Bartzy: erm, right, sorry, I was confused for a sec |
| 18:45.23 | nsadmin | , info stud |
| 18:45.24 | judd | No package named 'stud' was found in squeeze/i386. |
| 18:45.24 | Bartzy | :D |
| 18:45.33 | Bartzy | jordanm: Although I can just do && without the ! |
| 18:45.34 | simonlnu | ,info stud --release=sid |
| 18:45.35 | judd | Package stud (net, extra) in sid/i386: scalable TLS unwrapping daemon. Version: 0.3-1; Size: 26.6k; Installed: 99k; Homepage: https://github.com/bumptech/stud |
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| 18:45.50 | nsadmin | thanks |
| 18:45.57 | simonlnu | np |
| 18:46.18 | simonlnu | ok, flu+weather = aching joints |
| 18:46.22 | simonlnu | waves |
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| 18:55.06 | nym | i'm looking for a contract debian guy to fix a dependency issue i have... any ideas where to go for reputable system contractors? |
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| 18:57.22 | petemc | nym: http://www.debian.org/consultants/ |
| 18:58.41 | pepperoni | anyone happen to have done a deb live-build on gentoo? |
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| 18:59.05 | pepperoni | or know of some good docs on it? i'm running into dependency issues |
| 18:59.12 | somiaj | looking for a ti emulator (would like to just show the screen of a ti emulator on my laptop screen for a presentation), I found tilem from google but doens't appear to be in debian, any other suggestions before I just compile that form source? |
| 18:59.32 | somiaj | pepperoni: are you talking about the debian-live tools? |
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| 19:00.03 | pepperoni | somiaj: i don't think so, i'm doing the live.debian.net |
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| 19:00.33 | somiaj | pepperoni: that is what I ment, are you wanting to use the debian live tools (to build your own custom live system from debian packages on a gentoo machine) |
| 19:00.36 | petemc | somiaj: tiemu |
| 19:00.44 | pepperoni | somiaj: yes, that's it |
| 19:00.57 | somiaj | pepperoni: or are you just wanting to download a premade live image? |
| 19:01.19 | somiaj | pepperoni: my suggestion would be use debootstrap and make a debian chroot or a VM and do your work from there. |
| 19:01.21 | pepperoni | somiaj: yes, to build my own custom |
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| 19:02.00 | pepperoni | somiaj: ok, i'll go see how to do that then |
| 19:02.35 | somiaj | pepperoni: debootstrap is in the gentoo packages, and with that you should be able to easily make a debian chroot, then from inside the chroot it will be like working on a debian system. |
| 19:03.06 | pepperoni | somiaj: great, thanks for the help |
| 19:03.21 | somiaj | petemc: thank you, though that seems to only be ti89 and I was hoping for ti83/84 (mostly because that is what most my students have) |
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| 19:03.47 | somiaj | petemc: but I'll give it a try, it will serve my purpose I hope. (: |
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| 19:04.09 | UniOn | t |
| 19:04.18 | abrotman | u |
| 19:04.27 | UniOn | Hello, can u help me with a small problem |
| 19:04.33 | UniOn | How can i put a procces in the background |
| 19:04.38 | UniOn | ctrl + a + d doesnt work |
| 19:04.46 | abrotman | that's for screen .. |
| 19:04.50 | nsadmin | UniOn, what process? |
| 19:04.57 | abrotman | you want 'ctrl-z' .. then type 'bg' |
| 19:04.58 | UniOn | I mean that sorry, screen |
| 19:05.04 | somiaj | UniOn: depends on the process, and how you want to deal with it. |
| 19:05.12 | UniOn | its a gaming server |
| 19:05.13 | abrotman | UniOn: you type 'ctrl-a' and then 'd' |
| 19:05.17 | UniOn | I want to keep in active |
| 19:05.32 | UniOn | And how to activate the screen later again? |
| 19:05.34 | nsadmin | what game, out of curiousity |
| 19:05.40 | nsadmin | screen -r |
| 19:05.43 | abrotman | UniOn: screen -Rd |
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| 19:05.50 | abrotman | possibly with a named process |
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| 19:06.07 | nsadmin | abrotman, hmm, that's different... |
| 19:06.29 | somiaj | yea screen -S foo is useful to manage multiple screens so you don't have to figure out which one you want from the 'screen -list' |
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| 19:06.36 | abrotman | nsadmin: which part ? |
| 19:06.37 | UniOn | when ill do ctrl a and then try d ill get ^A^A^A^A^A^A |
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| 19:06.43 | nsadmin | -Rd versus -r |
| 19:06.59 | abrotman | nsadmin: it disconnects if it's being controlled .. habit of mine |
| 19:07.11 | nsadmin | oh ok |
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| 19:07.34 | UniOn | its for an mta server btw |
| 19:07.48 | abrotman | nsadmin: if you man screen .. it's pretty early in the page |
| 19:07.55 | abrotman | UniOn: a mail server |
| 19:07.57 | abrotman | ? |
| 19:08.00 | nsadmin | yeah, I realize that |
| 19:08.08 | UniOn | No gaming, multy theft auto |
| 19:08.21 | nsadmin | the "if you man screen" part |
| 19:08.21 | UniOn | Multiplayer of san andreas |
| 19:08.46 | abrotman | didn't realize that was packaged for Debian .. |
| 19:08.56 | UniOn | ctrl A then D doesnt work .. |
| 19:08.57 | nsadmin | meetoo |
| 19:09.07 | UniOn | Yes it works for debain |
| 19:09.09 | abrotman | UniOn: did you run screen before starting the process ? |
| 19:09.27 | UniOn | No i think not |
| 19:09.32 | abrotman | then you're SOL |
| 19:09.38 | nsadmin | will NOT typ !debain not not not! |
| 19:10.19 | UniOn | i did this |
| 19:10.19 | nsadmin | right, you can't put something into screen that's not been already |
| 19:10.25 | UniOn | ctrl + z then bg |
| 19:10.32 | nsadmin | you can background it just like that |
| 19:10.46 | nsadmin | you can't put that into screen tho |
| 19:10.58 | UniOn | and how resume it screen -r is not working |
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| 19:11.14 | abrotman | UniOn: 'fg' |
| 19:11.23 | abrotman | nsadmin: you can with retty |
| 19:11.30 | UniOn | fg works :) |
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| 19:11.33 | abrotman | judd: info retty --release squeeze |
| 19:11.34 | judd | Package retty (utils, extra) in squeeze/i386: attach processes running on other terminals. Version: 1.0-2; Size: 9.6k; Installed: 68k |
| 19:11.39 | jelly-home | abrotman: does retty even work |
| 19:11.41 | UniOn | that works :) |
| 19:11.44 | nsadmin | if you did not start the game server from inside screen, you cannot put it into screen |
| 19:11.51 | abrotman | jelly-home: last tim ei used it .. yes .. been awhile |
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| 19:12.27 | nsadmin | well maybe there's a hacky way involving reparenting the process, but never tried it |
| 19:13.15 | nsadmin | ohh, retty does that? |
| 19:13.49 | UniOn | hmm but when i close the console the screen is gone? |
| 19:13.53 | UniOn | and i cant resume it |
| 19:13.59 | jelly-home | retty attaches to a process and tries to munge the internals, i386 only |
| 19:14.09 | jelly-home | never worked for me |
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| 19:15.05 | UniOn | somebody has another way to hide the screen and resume it later? |
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| 19:15.32 | nsadmin | UniOn, just hide/show the terminal program |
| 19:15.33 | Mephisto | i fixed the font... edited the script a bit. |
| 19:15.38 | Mephisto | it's fine now. |
| 19:15.55 | UniOn | nsadmin, i forget to say |
| 19:15.58 | UniOn | Its a vps |
| 19:16.03 | nsadmin | and for next time if you want it in screen, start screen first |
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| 19:16.15 | nsadmin | remote? |
| 19:16.18 | UniOn | yes |
| 19:16.33 | Computer | anyone want to recommend a storage network application for debian? |
| 19:16.38 | nsadmin | so you ssh in? |
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| 19:16.44 | Computer | what is a common one |
| 19:16.46 | UniOn | yes and have terminal open |
| 19:16.55 | UniOn | But i need when i close the terminal |
| 19:16.59 | UniOn | the server keeps running |
| 19:17.03 | nsadmin | are a buncha people playing from that server now? |
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| 19:17.19 | abrotman | UniOn: stopp the app, then start screen, run the app from there |
| 19:17.20 | UniOn | its up-comming |
| 19:17.22 | nsadmin | don't close, minimize |
| 19:17.26 | gele | Computer: what's a storage network application? |
| 19:17.27 | NishaKitty | does anyone know if +b1 on a package means it's beta and there is no source version available? |
| 19:17.42 | UniOn | but when i minimize it i cant shutdown my pc? |
| 19:17.44 | Computer | gele: like FreeNAS |
| 19:17.58 | abrotman | UniOn: stopp the app, then start screen, run the app from there |
| 19:18.08 | UniOn | ok |
| 19:18.22 | nsadmin | NishaKitty, whether source is available depends on if it's in main... if so, source is available... if not, it depends |
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| 19:18.24 | Computer | gele: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network-attached_storage |
| 19:18.27 | UniOn | how does that work... ;o |
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| 19:18.40 | abrotman | UniOn: we already covered how to make it work |
| 19:18.53 | UniOn | but the start screen thing |
| 19:19.02 | abrotman | already covered it |
| 19:19.09 | UniOn | ok let me look back |
| 19:19.09 | nsadmin | are a buncha people playing from that server now? |
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| 19:20.17 | gele | Computer: i think you'd just install the servers for the protocols you want to use. |
| 19:20.41 | NishaKitty | nsadmin: it did mention a git repo is it possible there? |
| 19:20.54 | UniOn | ok i got it |
| 19:20.55 | UniOn | screen -Rd |
| 19:21.02 | UniOn | then run the server |
| 19:21.07 | UniOn | then ctrl A + D |
| 19:21.12 | UniOn | and later when i need it screen -r |
| 19:21.29 | UniOn | right |
| 19:21.43 | nsadmin | NishaKitty, well what do you want to do, build a debian package of it? |
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| 19:22.03 | nsadmin | you can certainly get source from git |
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| 19:22.33 | mutilator | what happened to the 3.0.0 kernel? |
| 19:22.35 | mutilator | i |
| 19:22.53 | mutilator | i'm using wheezy and i cant get the linux-headers, it seems to have completely vanished |
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| 19:23.04 | nsadmin | I think the rabbit dragged it down some hole... |
| 19:23.14 | nsadmin | look in backports |
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| 19:24.33 | mutilator | ? |
| 19:24.47 | mutilator | it doesnt show in backports either.. |
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| 19:24.56 | mutilator | it only gives squeeze and lenny as search options anyway |
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| 19:26.38 | nsadmin | NishaKitty, you should also be able to get it using apt-get source <packagename>, which also requires you to add deb-src lines to your /etc/apt/sources.list ; good luck... gotta run errands |
| 19:27.12 | NishaKitty | nsadmin: that kust gives me the non +b1 version |
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| 19:27.21 | Computer | anyone want to recommend a storage network application for debian?/window 3 |
| 19:27.28 | Computer | sorry didn't mean to paste that in here |
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| 19:29.47 | NishaKitty | nsadmin: aptitude search gives Version: 0.8.15-4+b1 |
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| 19:30.07 | NishaKitty | apt-get source always gives 0.8.15 no matter where I get it from -t |
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| 19:33.21 | cardamon | Does anyone use sun's jdk as oppossed to openjdK? is there a reason to other than simply GPL versus nonGPL? |
| 19:34.18 | mullein | cardamon, sun jdk isn't in wheezy and later because oracle changed license terms |
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| 19:34.44 | moes | Preparing to install 6.0.3 from live dvd...Synaptic shows grub as a dummy package...I want to use grub 1...which package do I need ?? |
| 19:34.46 | mullein | so if you want to stay with the same jdk, sun jdk won't be easily available in debian in a few years |
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| 19:37.19 | cardamon | mullein: Right. But if you're less concerned with licenses (I can understand other people care more, but to me unless I'm forking it, free is free) |
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| 19:37.38 | cardamon | ...is the choice between the two so important? |
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| 19:39.13 | bfgun | hello. my system is starting to cry for more device memory, i'm afraid this has to do with the main partition total memory being insufficient. how can i revert this situation? i have a huge disk with three partitions, 10gb main, 10gb swap, 580gb home |
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| 19:39.54 | mullein | cardamon, i haven't used either in years, but sun's jdk only supports i386 and amd64, whereas openjdk supports most arches. again, may not be an issue for you |
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| 19:40.27 | bfgun | i've been having weird errors with X and now blender just cried 'not enough device memory', so if possible i'd like to expand the main partition to 30 gb cannibalized from the home partition. is this possible? |
| 19:40.50 | cardamon | I'm more concerned with practical issues. I look at debates on it, and I see closed vs. open, but that doesn't bother me so much as complaints about OpenJDK's fonts and stuff built in SunJDK not being able to access devices. |
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| 19:41.14 | cardamon | But theey're one off complaints in dead threads for the most part. |
| 19:41.41 | gele | bfgun: i don't think "device memory" has anything to do with disk space. |
| 19:41.46 | cardamon | #debian-chat |
| 19:42.11 | cardamon | ignore that. |
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| 19:43.03 | bfgun | gele, in any case i think i would benefit from expanding the main partition (i've got left less than 1 gb of space and i still need to install a lot of things). is this viable? |
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| 19:44.55 | gele | bfgun: it depends on the layout of your partitions. if you have all of them inside a LVM container you can take the space you need from any of the others, if you don't you can only expand your main partition into the beginning of the partition that comes right after it, which is probably not very easy if it's a filesystem partition. |
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| 19:46.15 | gele | bfgun: if your layout is | main | swap | home | , then you can turn off swap, delete the swap partition, grow the main partition, grow the filesystem on the main partition, and then add a new, smaller swap partition in the left-over free space. |
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| 19:46.17 | bfgun | gele, i'm using debian suggested sizes |
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| 19:46.32 | bfgun | yeah i think i'll have to do that :| |
| 19:46.44 | n3lThon | hi, someone here have freepbx installed on debian? |
| 19:46.58 | gele | bfgun: i've found that the installer suggests way too small sizes for the root partition when you have a separate /home. |
| 19:47.08 | gele | at least for a desktop system where you want to install lots of software. |
| 19:47.12 | bfgun | gele, yes, i thought 10gb was gonna be enough but not nearly enough |
| 19:47.38 | gele | bfgun: any particular reason that you have separate / and /home partitions? |
| 19:47.51 | bfgun | gele, suggested by debian |
| 19:47.57 | gele | ah. |
| 19:48.13 | moes | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:48.18 | bfgun | i figured if it was suggested it wasn't a completely horrible choice |
| 19:48.29 | gele | i think the most recent installer recommends putting everything in one partition. |
| 19:48.49 | Sc0rian | simonlnu i have put a different network card in now (Realtek chipset) |
| 19:48.51 | bfgun | i downloaded this about a month ago so that's weird |
| 19:48.53 | Sc0rian | still got packet loss |
| 19:48.56 | Sc0rian | !! |
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| 19:49.03 | bfgun | i went from zid to wheezy though, that might be the problem |
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| 19:53.21 | hanshans | hi all! how to find out what display driver is currently used? |
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| 19:55.55 | bfgun | gele, so i have sda1 as a main partition, sda2 as extended with the swap and home partitions inside. i'm using gparted. disable swap: root@~>swapoff /dev/sda5. then i need to remove the swap, move the extended partition all the way forward, then expand the sda1 all the way where swap previously was |
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| 19:56.24 | bfgun | then rebuild the swap at the end of the disk, and turn swap on and set the new swap partition. is that right? |
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| 19:56.47 | gele | bfgun: i'm no expert on partition editing, but it sounds reasonable. |
| 19:56.56 | tvm | bfgun: sda1 won't expand into the extended partition, since it's primary |
| 19:57.15 | bfgun | tvm, what do i need to do in that case? |
| 19:57.27 | bfgun | back up everything, then recreate the partition and send everything there again? |
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| 19:57.46 | tvm | yeah, that's what i would do. |
| 19:58.17 | gele | or even better, back up everything (if you have the disk space), create an lvm container, recreate your partitions in there, and copy the data back. |
| 19:58.30 | bfgun | what's an lvm container? |
| 19:58.40 | gele | then you won't be in this position again if you need to resize partitions. |
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| 19:59.49 | gele | bfgun: Linux Volume Manager. basically, it is a layer between the filesystem and the disk that can map different parts of the disk to other parts of a virtual disk. |
| 20:00.22 | gele | bfgun: which means that if you need free space to extend a partition in the lvm container, you can take that free space from anywhere. not neccessarily from the partition right after it. |
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| 20:01.09 | gele | so in your case you could have shrunk the /home filesystem a bit and added that free space directly to the root filesystem. |
| 20:01.43 | gele | or you could just add another disk and extended your root partition onto that. |
| 20:02.38 | bfgun | i don't think i'll ever again need to extend the primary partition, i'm gonna give it 50 gb just in case |
| 20:02.51 | bfgun | damn this is gonna take all day |
| 20:03.39 | gele | if you're already backing up and copying data around, why not just make one large partition for / and /home? |
| 20:03.40 | morphje | ain't it fun ? :) |
| 20:04.52 | bfgun | sounds reasonable |
| 20:05.40 | bfgun | so what would i need to make all this possible? i currently have an external hdd where i can save everything |
| 20:06.13 | bfgun | i also have a debian sid bootable cd, will that be enough? |
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| 20:14.02 | meberhart | hello |
| 20:15.34 | mmnicolas | let's say I'd like a desktop environment that stays the same over the years and still look sleek, what would you guys suggest ? I've been using xfce on wheezy but all my apps are turning gtk3 and getting ugly, is KDE4 my best choice is this case ? |
| 20:16.23 | gnarface | ,versions e16 |
| 20:16.24 | judd | Package: e16 on i386 -- lenny: 0.16.8.13-4; squeeze: 1.0.0-4 |
| 20:16.32 | jhutchins_wk | Is there a reliable way to tell when all users on a system last logged in? |
| 20:16.49 | meberhart | mmnicolas - have you tried Awesome? |
| 20:17.20 | movl | jhutchins_wk: who |
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| 20:18.13 | jhutchins_wk | mmnicolas: I think expecting long term stability in the face of changing expectations and usage is too much. I'm really disappointed in some things going from kde3 to 4, gnome3 isn't going very smoothly from what I've seen, and you say xfce is changing. |
| 20:18.25 | mmnicolas | meberhart: It has been suggested to me so many times, it's next on my list of things to try, but even then, would you tend to use qt or gtk-based applications ? |
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| 20:18.48 | moes | Preparing to install 6.0.3 from live dvd...Synaptic shows grub as a dummy package...I want to use grub 1...which package do I need ?? |
| 20:18.53 | jhutchins_wk | movl: I don't need who's logged in now, I mean for each non-system user, when did that user last log in? Are they dead? Do they still use the system? |
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| 20:18.58 | mmnicolas | jhutchins_wk: well xfce isn't changing but the apps I use are, like Abiword just switched to gtk3 on the last update |
| 20:19.11 | tremon | mmnicolas: I've been using E17 (enlightenment.org) for many years. I'd not call it a full DE though |
| 20:19.41 | mmnicolas | jhutchins_wk: hehe, so what are you using at the moment ? |
| 20:19.48 | jhutchins_wk | mmnicolas: That's happening as systems move to newer versions of the toolkits. I don't think there's any way to avoid it. The same thing drives the changes in KDE. |
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| 20:20.17 | jhutchins_wk | If I could find a replacement for amarok I'd upgrade, but clementine doesn't handle streams as well, and amarok4 is horrible. |
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| 20:21.05 | jhutchins_wk | I've pretty much stopped listening to my music collection in the absence of a collection manager (that doesn't require a full gnome install). |
| 20:21.06 | jhutchins_wk | \ |
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| 20:21.25 | tremon | jhutchins_wk: tried quodlibet? |
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| 20:21.41 | mmnicolas | So this is just and horrible epoch for desktop.. (getting in fetal position and crying) |
| 20:21.52 | jhutchins_wk | tremon: Nope, but I will. |
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| 20:23.45 | jhutchins_wk | tremon: Ah, another software project that should have googled it's proposed name. |
| 20:23.53 | jelly-home | jhutchins_wk: clementine packages from the vendor are more stable than what's in squeeze or wheezy |
| 20:24.36 | tremon | jhutchins_wk: not sure what you mean. It means "whatever you want", and to me is quite fitting |
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| 20:25.05 | movl | jhutchins_wk: last |
| 20:25.09 | tremon | googles quod libet |
| 20:25.24 | meberhart | has anyone had success using Gnome 3 on Debian 6 without any major problems? |
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| 20:25.51 | bfgun | tvm, what's the path of least resistance to that outcome? should i boot with a live cd and blast the partition away or is there any better way? |
| 20:26.30 | jhutchins_wk | Google it. |
| 20:26.54 | jhutchins_wk | tremon: It seems to want more of gnome than I want on my system. |
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| 20:27.21 | tremon | it uses pygtk and gstreamer... |
| 20:27.44 | mmnicolas | I made my mind up, I'm getting back to xfce/wheezy and getting rid of anything that turns gtk3 |
| 20:28.00 | tremon | must be my search bubble then. First hit: code.google.com, second: choir for hire, third: wikipedia |
| 20:28.05 | mmnicolas | Even if the only things left is iceweasel |
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| 20:29.32 | tremon | jhutchins_wk: are you referring to quodlibet.net? that's at the bottom of the first page for me, and it's the only hit that'd raise my eyebrows... |
| 20:30.38 | _apostate_ | mmnicolas: what's wrong with gtk3? |
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| 20:33.51 | jhutchins_wk | tremon: WHat I'm referring to is that if that's the website for the project I didn't see it, and that you can't find the project with google unless you know more about the project. |
| 20:34.40 | tremon | ah, I get your point. yes, code.google.com is its homepage. But it's not much of a homepage, I'll give you that :) |
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| 20:39.05 | cmdbbq | I'm in the market for a new GPU and I am looking for some advice. Linux support is my number one priority and I would prefer to use an open source driver. Previously I bought nVidia and relied upon the closed drivers only to develop problems later. |
| 20:40.14 | meberhart | i definitely prefer the AMD proprietary drivers over nVidia |
| 20:40.27 | kevlarman | meberhart: and you'd be insane |
| 20:40.35 | meberhart | why's that? |
| 20:40.39 | meberhart | it's an easy setup. |
| 20:40.55 | kevlarman | because it can't even deal with 3d+a compositor at the same time |
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| 20:41.10 | kevlarman | however radeon probably is in better shape than nouveau |
| 20:41.34 | meberhart | and nVidia's proprietary Linux driver does? |
| 20:41.39 | kevlarman | meberhart: yup |
| 20:41.42 | meberhart | didn't know that |
| 20:41.51 | kevlarman | cmdbbq: what are you going to be doing with it? |
| 20:42.36 | kevlarman | meberhart: fglrx also has a much stronger tendency to suffer random and extremely annoying regressions |
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| 20:43.22 | Guy4rolePlay | I know i shouldnt be asking this but is there some mirror still having etch repo |
| 20:43.25 | kevlarman | (i only very recently switched to nvidia, open source drivers unfortunately don't work for what i'm using them for) |
| 20:43.47 | meberhart | kevlarman - really? i haven't noticed any problems at all with fglrx. you're making me think i should switch my AMD card out for my nVidia card. |
| 20:44.22 | kevlarman | meberhart: if you aren't doing 3d or hardware video decoding, i'd say radeon is the best driver |
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| 20:44.53 | somiaj | kevlarman: on the flip side, the radeon free driver is actually quite good and solid and leaps and bounds over nouveau |
| 20:44.53 | meberhart | well i would like good 3D support |
| 20:45.13 | kevlarman | somiaj: depends on the hardware, but yeah |
| 20:45.23 | somiaj | meberhart: the readeon free driver has decent 3D support and in lots of cases isn't comparable with the fglrx support. |
| 20:45.38 | meberhart | so you think i would be better off using the open source driver instead of the proprietary? |
| 20:45.44 | jhutchins_wk | !archives |
| 20:45.45 | dpkg | from memory, archive is a collection of files. 'tar', 'ar', 'cpio' are all archiving tools. This is *not* the same as compression, which is a separate operation. Debian Archives is the repository for old Debian releases, see http://www.debian.org/distrib/archive . For the package archive, ask me about <snapshot>. Old Debian <ISO> files are archived at http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/ |
| 20:45.55 | jhutchins_wk | !etch sources list |
| 20:46.02 | cmdbbq | kevlarman: i need it to output to a tv via hdmi, run video at 1080p, and support for 3d although i am not doing anything like heavy gaming or building models but compositing and effects would be nice as well as the capacity to run some 3d emulation well (thinking of mupen64plus) |
| 20:46.03 | jhutchins_wk | !etch sources.list |
| 20:46.03 | dpkg | [etch sources.list] "deb http://archive.debian.org/debian etch main contrib non-free" and "deb http://archive.debian.org/debian-security etch/updates main contrib non-free". But realise that Etch has not had security support since February 2010 and that you should upgrade to a newer release. Ask me about <etch->lenny>. |
| 20:46.09 | somiaj | meberhart: depends on what you want to do, I haven't done any major 3d applications with radeon but its 3d support works just fine for what I need on this laptop. |
| 20:46.14 | lapsusbrutus | fglrx rocks in my opinion, if good 3D is needed. |
| 20:46.22 | Guy4rolePlay | thanks jhutchins_wk |
| 20:46.25 | jhutchins_wk | meberhart: See above from dpkg |
| 20:46.28 | kevlarman | cmdbbq: radeon then |
| 20:46.34 | kevlarman | cmdbbq: if your cpu can handle the decoding |
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| 20:46.39 | jhutchins_wk | meberhart: Nevermind. |
| 20:46.41 | meberhart | ah, thank you |
| 20:47.30 | kevlarman | meberhart: radeon only supports opengl 2.x (and probably not even that on stable), and depending on how new your hardware is, it can be a little or a lot slower than fglrx |
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| 20:47.41 | hanshans | hi all! how to find out what display driver is currently used? |
| 20:47.50 | meberhart | hanshans - lspci |
| 20:47.50 | kevlarman | if both of those are acceptable, then it's far more stable than amd's blob |
| 20:48.04 | hanshans | thx, meberhart |
| 20:48.07 | somiaj | hanshans: xvidinfo, glxinfo if your running X, also parsing the /var/log/Xorg.0.log file will tell you what one it detected |
| 20:48.17 | meberhart | kevlarman - so there's really no reason for me to switch? |
| 20:48.19 | tremon | my 2c: for everything except high-performance 3D, radeon is the best driver. fglrx has good 3d performance but has had many issues in recent years (e.g. suspend/xv support) |
| 20:48.24 | somiaj | hanshans: lspci tells you what hardware you have on your system which may not tell you what driver is being used. |
| 20:48.34 | kevlarman | meberhart: if it works, no |
| 20:48.44 | kevlarman | meberhart: the problem is that for a lot of people fglrx doesn't |
| 20:48.54 | meberhart | ah, i see |
| 20:48.59 | kevlarman | and it really sucks to find that out after you've spent money on a graphics card |
| 20:49.01 | somiaj | hanshans: actually it is 'xvinifo' not xvidinfo, it tells you what driver is controling the xv support. |
| 20:49.04 | tremon | nvidia closed blob is still the best driver all-around, intel is still lacking in both stability and platform support |
| 20:49.30 | kevlarman | tremon: except nvidia's blob really sucks at 2d |
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| 20:49.37 | somiaj | tremon: provided you don't want xrandr support...though I think that is changing in recent versions. |
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| 20:49.49 | kevlarman | compositors make my gtx560 feel sluggish |
| 20:49.58 | tremon | lol :) I knew people would know better than me... |
| 20:50.21 | jhutchins_wk | Gentlemen this really is a topic for #hardware or #debian-offtopic |
| 20:50.21 | tremon | hanshans: the actual driver can usually be read from /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 20:50.37 | somiaj | but for 3d gaming on linux I would suggest the non-free nvidia blob, seems to have less issues and in lots of cases that is the card/drivers tested by either wine or the game devs. |
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| 20:51.12 | hanshans | thx all! |
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| 20:55.24 | tdrusk | what package do i need to install for hp laserjet 1018 drivers? |
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| 20:56.23 | jhutchins_wk | tdrusk: Do you have the cups packages installed? |
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| 20:57.03 | jhutchins_wk | tdrusk: http://www.linuxfoundation.org/collaborate/workgroups/openprinting |
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| 21:00.55 | tdrusk | jhutchins_wk: I installed foo2zjs and it gave me more options in system-config-printer. I will find out later if it works. Thanks |
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| 21:02.08 | |DM| | how do I turn sohusin off |
| 21:02.19 | jhutchins_wk | tdrusk: You should be able to type your printer model into the searchbox on that page and find out what your printer needs. |
| 21:02.22 | jhutchins_wk | How would you go about removing the oldest file in an arbitrary list? |
| 21:02.49 | gnarface | jhutchins: ls -t? |
| 21:02.56 | gnarface | jhutchins_wk: ^^ |
| 21:03.06 | tdrusk | jhutchins_wk: Thanks. I have gotten it to work before, it just wasn't showing what I needed it to. Thanks |
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| 21:05.13 | nythrow | Good evening guys! I've got problem with X server. I installed xserver-xorg without recommends and installed basic input packages with video driver, but it doesn't start. It shows it isn't able to find libaudit librare, but it is installed. Should I link it? |
| 21:05.27 | somiaj | jhutchins_wk: what kinda of list, can you 'sort' the list by date? |
| 21:05.51 | jhutchins_wk | somiaj: Oldest file in a folder is what I need. |
| 21:06.00 | jhutchins_wk | somiaj: Roatating backup. |
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| 21:06.43 | somiaj | jhutchins_wk: ahh, well I'd think find + sort by date, and then remove either the top or last entry depending on your sort order. |
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| 21:08.00 | nythrow | Ok; the solution is to symlink /lib/libaudit.so.1 to /lib/libaudit.so.0 and it works. |
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| 21:16.57 | rubberneck | Just installed squeeze. Added a new user "tftp". This user is showing up in the login screen drop down. How can I remove this? |
| 21:17.58 | Justin | rubberneck: if you install a package like atftpd it should auto create a tftp user |
| 21:18.09 | Justin | rubberneck: with the correct options that create a system account |
| 21:18.27 | nythrow | Guys, what package will give me System Config on KDE? |
| 21:19.36 | abrotman | why didn't you install the xorg pacage and the kde-full package? |
| 21:19.44 | rubberneck | Justin: Ignore that this is a tftp user. |
| 21:19.55 | Justin | rubberneck: how did you add the tftp user? |
| 21:20.07 | rubberneck | Justin: useradd |
| 21:20.37 | rubberneck | Justin: "useradd tftp" |
| 21:20.40 | ElDiabolo | Is there a service that allows me to run non-x86 builds and tests for (inofficial) debian packages? |
| 21:20.43 | nythrow | abrotman: It gives me too many unuseful (for me) packages. |
| 21:20.43 | Justin | rubberneck: see the man page for that,search for system |
| 21:20.53 | ElDiabolo | Something like cpan testers. |
| 21:20.59 | rubberneck | Justin: Ill take a look, thx. |
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| 21:22.40 | rubberneck | Justin: useradd -r thanks. |
| 21:22.47 | abrotman | nythrow: apparently not .. |
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| 21:23.57 | Kobaz | what's a good way to keep libperl5.10 when doing a dist-upgrade |
| 21:24.07 | jhutchins_wk | Any critique of rm -f `ls -t /mnt/foo/bar* | tail -n1` |
| 21:24.39 | Justin | jhutchins_wk: that will break if the filename has spaces in it |
| 21:24.44 | Kobaz | jhutchins_wk: other than it's not going to work? |
| 21:25.04 | jhutchins_wk | Justin: No spaces. |
| 21:25.19 | jhutchins_wk | Kobaz: Why? Suggestions? |
| 21:25.21 | Kobaz | ls -t will produce output that rm won't like |
| 21:25.31 | Kobaz | why don't you just rm -f /mnt/foo/bar* |
| 21:25.35 | Kobaz | why do you need to be clever |
| 21:25.39 | abrotman | nythrow: /msg dpkg search .. should help you find it |
| 21:25.47 | jhutchins_wk | Kobaz: I need to keep all but the oldest backup. |
| 21:26.04 | Kobaz | use find |
| 21:26.13 | jhutchins_wk | Kobaz: ls `ls -t /foo/bar* | tail -n1` works. |
| 21:26.39 | jhutchins_wk | Kobaz: How do I tell find "oldest in the group"? |
| 21:26.43 | Justin | jhutchins_wk: you should use /bin/ls so alias expansion will not occur |
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| 21:26.53 | jhutchins_wk | Justin: ok |
| 21:27.07 | Kobaz | run find multiple times |
| 21:27.20 | Kobaz | one for each pattern you want to delete the oldest in |
| 21:27.28 | abrotman | jhutchins_wk: ls -tr .. the oldest will be at teh bottom ? |
| 21:28.25 | jhutchins_wk | abrotman: oldest appears to already be at the bottom. |
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| 21:30.42 | jhutchins_wk | I couild just tell find to remove any file older than 60 days, but then if the disk doesn't get changed for a few days it could fail. |
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| 21:31.09 | Kobaz | the problem with any kind of blind delete like that |
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| 21:31.19 | Kobaz | older than 60, or delete the oldest |
| 21:31.42 | Kobaz | is that if your backup method is failing (or whatever is writing the files fails), you could be left with no files |
| 21:32.32 | Justin | jhutchins_wk: why would deleting files olderthan 60 days fail? |
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| 21:37.27 | archman | hello |
| 21:37.42 | boudiccas | what controls the sound on vlc please? like where is its default config stored. my vlc is now sound less and i dont know why |
| 21:37.56 | archman | i'm using start-stop-daemon to run a certain program (multicat) in a while loop so that the file is multicasted over and over; i need to find out the child pid ($!); is there a way to grab it? |
| 21:38.12 | boudiccas | top |
| 21:38.24 | archman | huh? |
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| 21:38.45 | archman | sorry, i need to store the child pid in the script itself to be used later on |
| 21:38.53 | archman | (to terminate multicat) |
| 21:39.19 | Justin | archman: why would you use start-stop-daemon for that? |
| 21:39.42 | archman | Justin: for work, we use monit with it |
| 21:39.51 | archman | Justin: any better ideas? |
| 21:40.04 | Justin | daemontools or runit |
| 21:40.10 | tremon | archman, what about a pidfile? |
| 21:40.36 | Justin | mkdir /etc/service/multicat; echo "multicat --options --blah --blah" > /etc/service/multicat/run;chmod +x /etc/service/multicat/run |
| 21:40.45 | Justin | and it will run it in a loop for you until the end of time |
| 21:41.08 | archman | tremon: well, i want to write a child pid to a pidfile, yes, but how to get it, since the program 'stops' at the loop |
| 21:41.18 | archman | Justin: ok, looking into this |
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| 21:45.42 | boudiccas | what controls the sound on vlc please? like where is its default config stored. my vlc is now sound less and i dont know why |
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| 21:46.08 | archman | Justin: how will this run in loop? |
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| 21:46.39 | jelly-home | boudiccas: ~/.config/vlc/vlcrc ? |
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| 21:47.03 | boudiccas | thanks |
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| 21:47.19 | jelly-home | well, that's not default, that's where any customizations get stored |
| 21:47.52 | jacobw | i'm trying to create an SSO with roles, i.e. i want user A to have membership of groups B and C on host D but groups E and F on host G |
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| 21:48.10 | LinDa_cOmO_el | ·.¸¸.·´¯`> hi |
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| 21:48.25 | Justin | archman: it runs it. then when it exists, it runs it again |
| 21:48.35 | jacobw | using LDAP, i can't find much documentation on nss-ldap and group membership, can anyone point me in the right direction |
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| 21:49.35 | tremon | jacobw: ypi |
| 21:49.50 | archman | Justin: daemontools i guess |
| 21:49.51 | tremon | jacobw: you've found objectClass posixGroup? |
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| 21:50.31 | jacobw | tremon: yeah, structural objectclas |
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| 21:51.22 | jacobw | tremon: my inetorgpeople can have posixaccounts and posixgroups which nss can derive /etc/groups from |
| 21:51.44 | tremon | jacobw: you have libnss-ldap? |
| 21:52.12 | abrotman | jhutchins_wk: not always .. don't guarantee that |
| 21:52.22 | jacobw | tremon: but how can i give my inetorgpeople a posixgroup that allows them to be in a particular group, say admin, on one host but not on all hosts |
| 21:52.24 | tremon | more specifically, the search parameters in nss-ldap.conf? |
| 21:52.26 | abrotman | jhutchins_wk: well, it's not my data .. do whatever you want :) |
| 21:52.47 | tremon | jacobw: for that you'd need custom search filters per host, I guess |
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| 21:53.02 | jacobw | tremon: i know i can restrict posixaccount access to hosts by filters, but i don't know about groups yet |
| 21:53.03 | tremon | or just add the relevant entries to the local /etc/group file... |
| 21:53.21 | jacobw | tremon: i'm considering that |
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| 21:54.16 | jacobw | tremon: the subset of users that are allowed to sudo on a particular host can be in a group granted sudo on that particular host |
| 21:54.26 | boudiccas | what controls the sound on vlc please? my vlc is now sound less and i dont know why, i've tried changing round the speaker device but its still soundless |
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| 21:55.29 | tremon | I don't know the syntax on variables in search terms, but you could use nss_base_group ou=<ou>??(host=$hostname), where host could be a local schema addition (and $hostname is either determined at runtime or set once during install) |
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| 21:57.23 | jacobw | a 'host' schema does exist in openldap |
| 21:57.23 | jhutchins_wk | Justin: Sometimes the disks don't get swapped, so there might not be a file older than 60 days, but the disk might still be full. |
| 21:57.47 | tremon | jacobw: yes but it's not a default attribute of posixgroup iirc |
| 21:57.51 | jhutchins_wk | abrotman: Tested it with ls, will implement tonight. |
| 21:58.00 | tremon | so you'd need a second objectclass for that |
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| 21:58.13 | tremon | (ok, so maybe not so custom :) |
| 21:58.16 | jacobw | tremon: that's what i intend to do, setting $hostname manually |
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| 21:59.24 | jacobw | yeah, its another auxillary objectclass as posixgroup is in rfc2307bis |
| 22:00.07 | jacobw | that's another matter, to use the auxillary schemas of rfc2307bis or the structural schemas of nis.ldif ?! |
| 22:00.09 | tremon | as long as you can find the right search filter, I think it should work. Maybe try to find a search filter that matches either host=$hostname or host=empty |
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| 22:01.41 | tremon | jacobw: I'm using nis, but no convincing thought has gone into that |
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| 22:03.39 | boudiccas | what controls the sound on vlc please? my vlc is now sound less and i dont know why, i've tried changing round the speaker device but its still soundless |
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| 22:05.07 | jacobw | boudiccas: are other applications able to play sound? |
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| 22:05.39 | boudiccas | some are some not, amarok no,rhythmbox yes, clementine yes |
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| 22:07.07 | boudiccas | jacobw; some are some not, amarok no,rhythmbox yes, clementine yes |
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| 22:07.22 | jacobw | tremon: using rfc2307 is a whole different matter |
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| 22:08.05 | jacobw | tremon: posixgroup is auxillary and has no memberuid attribute (memberuid doesn't make sense in this paradigm) |
| 22:08.07 | tremon | jacobw: if you've found a convincing argument for either, I'd appreciate a pointer :) |
| 22:08.18 | abrotman | jhutchins_wk: you sure you can't use something like logrotate instead ? |
| 22:08.56 | jacobw | tremon: nis seems much more logical to me, but i can't help but think there's some reason why rfc2307 is the default on openldap |
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| 22:09.36 | jacobw | tremon: i don't want to base on nis now only to find some huge limitation in 6 months |
| 22:10.05 | boudiccas | what controls the sound on vlc please? my vlc is now sound less and i dont know why, i've tried changing round the speaker device but its still soundless some programs play, some not play, amarok no,rhythmbox yes, clementine yes |
| 22:10.20 | jacobw | boudiccas: it sounds as if only applications using gstreamer are able to make sound |
| 22:10.51 | tremon | I can understand that, but so far I haven't really ran into problems with nis. It's only home usage for me, so perhaps not surprising... |
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| 22:12.01 | jacobw | tremon: i'm trying to impement in a company full of technical people with different accesses to infrastructure :( |
| 22:12.44 | efaistos | hi |
| 22:12.45 | tremon | yes, that would be a reason to put some thought into the initial design :D |
| 22:13.20 | efaistos | does anyone has some issue with flash videos or even mplayer local videos playing too fast ? |
| 22:13.31 | boudiccas | i'm using gnome and the volume control is set to my sound card, and i've checked the connections and theyre all good and tight. i've changed th edevice an d restarted vlc but its soundless. but movie player works okay, except its too dark |
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| 22:18.50 | jhutchins_wk | abrotman: Oh, that's an interesting thought. |
| 22:18.56 | jacobw | efaistos: does audio also play too fast? |
| 22:19.36 | jacobw | boudiccas: totem (movie player) also uses the gstreamer framework |
| 22:19.38 | jhutchins_wk | I think my brain is done for today though. Thanks for the suggestions. |
| 22:19.52 | boudiccas | jacobw; ah right |
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| 22:20.21 | boudiccas | jacobw; but that doesnt really help me getting vlc working well again |
| 22:20.38 | jhutchins_wk | boudiccas: You may need to set an audio output device in vlc. |
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| 22:20.55 | jhutchins_wk | boudiccas: mplayer should just work. |
| 22:21.07 | boudiccas | jhutchins; ah, right, how please? |
| 22:21.24 | boudiccas | jhutchins; yes mplayer works but its too dark |
| 22:21.26 | jhutchins_wk | I don't understand why reputable distributions default to totem. |
| 22:21.50 | jhutchins_wk | boudiccas: iirc you had problems with the brightness controls not working? Check man mplayer for the correct keys. |
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| 22:22.16 | boudiccas | jhutchins; yesm i've been fiddling with the keys but its still too dark |
| 22:22.54 | jhutchins_wk | boudiccas: Try the gamma and contrast keys too. |
| 22:23.00 | efaistos | jacobw: apparently some issue with alsa |
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| 22:27.16 | nand`help | After installing debian on my machine and booting from the correct hard drive, I simply get a blank screen with a blinking cursor. No forms of interaction have proven successful other than CtrlAltDel for reboot |
| 22:27.26 | nand`help | I'm currently connected from within a rescue shell on a debian livecd |
| 22:27.39 | nand`help | unfortunately half the screen is messed up so I can't read nicks |
| 22:27.48 | nand`help | I'd still be grateful for any assistance in getting this working |
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| 22:37.15 | nand`help | Is anybody available that would be willing to help me with my problem? |
| 22:37.30 | nand`help | I can't go to sleep until I'm sure my computer isn't FUBAR |
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| 22:38.15 | kgoetz | nand`help: how far does it boot? |
| 22:38.24 | tremon | nand`help: which version of debian? |
| 22:38.51 | nand`help | kgoetz: runs through POST, after that I get a blank screen with blinking cursor |
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| 22:39.10 | nand`help | tremon: squeeze netinstall, 7.0.3 iirc (penultimate .iso) |
| 22:39.42 | gele | nand`help: no bootloader menu? |
| 22:39.47 | nand`help | gele: no |
| 22:40.06 | gele | (it's 6.0.3) |
| 22:40.07 | petemc | nand`help: you have more than one hard drive? |
| 22:40.13 | Justin | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:40.51 | nand`help | petemc: I have four physical hard drives. The first (sda) has five partitions, the second (sdb) and fourth (sdd) have one each, and the third (sdc) is the one I'm installing debian on, which now has three partitions |
| 22:41.00 | nand`help | namely / /boot and swap |
| 22:41.10 | tremon | nand`help: can you mount and read those partitions? |
| 22:41.15 | Justin | you don't really need a /boot partition... |
| 22:41.15 | nand`help | tremon: yes |
| 22:41.28 | nand`help | I just have whatever partitions the guided installer created for me |
| 22:41.33 | nand`help | doesn't that create a /boot? |
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| 22:41.48 | nand`help | I didn't configure my partitions manually, just pointed the installer at sdc and told it to use the whole disk |
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| 22:41.57 | nand`help | I have the partitions mounted right now |
| 22:42.00 | Justin | funniest thing about /boot is that in 1999 when people actually needed a /boot partition because of lilo limitations, people didn't create them.. now almost no one actually needs them, but they make them anyway |
| 22:42.02 | gele | nand`help: probably /, /home and swap. |
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| 22:42.10 | nand`help | hmm |
| 22:42.13 | nand`help | may be that then |
| 22:42.16 | tremon | I'm guessing your grub devicemap isn't correct. Can you pastebin /boot/grub/device.map ? |
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| 22:42.23 | gele | Justin: they're needed if you want to encrypt the rest. |
| 22:42.36 | Justin | gele: almost no one encrypts their drive :) |
| 22:42.37 | sliddy | i'm trying to install debian over the internet, but i dont know how to do it, i got a windows computer to host the files on |
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| 22:42.50 | LordTrev | If I'm booted into debian as a live cd what is the default root password? |
| 22:42.56 | nand`help | uh |
| 22:42.57 | Justin | sliddy: you install over the internet the same way you install from cdrom, it's not complicated |
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| 22:43.05 | nand`help | give me a moment, I'll reconnect through tmux so I can try out things |
| 22:43.46 | sliddy | Justin: i mean the TFTP hosting and stuff |
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| 22:44.30 | sliddy | Justin: iirc it was called pxe booting? |
| 22:44.52 | tremon | sliddy: if you want to do tftp boots, you need a dhcp server, tftp server and the installer pxeboot files |
| 22:45.14 | sliddy | tremon: i want to set it up on windows, is there any guide or tutorial howto? |
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| 22:46.26 | tremon | not that I know of, but I'm sure there is. The setup procedure is the same as for WDS but you serve different files... |
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| 22:46.54 | nand`help | ugh |
| 22:46.57 | nand`help | I can't run tmux or screen |
| 22:47.05 | nand`help | they complain about needing a terminal session |
| 22:47.20 | nand`help | so I guess I'll have to keep disc- and reconnecting |
| 22:47.26 | tremon | nand`help: is /dev/pts mounted? |
| 22:47.47 | nand`help | I'll go check |
| 22:48.18 | tremon | (if it isn't, mount it and try screen again) |
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| 22:48.35 | nand`help | yes and it's empty |
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| 22:49.41 | nand`help | (that is, cd /dev/pts; ls -A shows no output) |
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| 22:51.18 | tremon | mountpoint /dev/pts |
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| 22:51.55 | nand`help | /dev/pts is not a mountpoint |
| 22:52.22 | tremon | mount -t devpts devpts /dev/pts |
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| 22:52.53 | nand`help | done |
| 22:53.08 | petemc | nand`help: where did you install grub? |
| 22:53.14 | nand`help | on sdc |
| 22:53.23 | nand`help | I also have a /boot/grub directory |
| 22:53.38 | nand`help | which seems to contain a lot of .img or .mtd files |
| 22:53.56 | tremon | if your bios boots from sdc as well, you need to make sure that grub understands that /dev/sdc is (hd0) |
| 22:53.58 | nand`help | as well as a couple of cryptically named files in /boot, one of which had the prefix "config" but didn't seem relevant |
| 22:54.26 | killown | After upgrade debian 5.0 I am getting this error Discarding unused printer-state-changed event... omg... |
| 22:54.32 | killown | On cups |
| 22:55.09 | nand`help | I'm just wondering |
| 22:55.20 | nand`help | shouldn't grub put me into rescue mode if it completely fails to boot |
| 22:55.23 | nand`help | or at least show some sign of life |
| 22:55.35 | nand`help | since i'm getting a blank screen it sounds more like grub isn't even being reached |
| 22:55.51 | nand`help | maybe it's a video card issue |
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| 22:56.37 | nand`help | I'll go try a few things |
| 22:56.38 | tremon | nand`help: if you see a blinking cursor, you're way past video init. It's either the bios tripping up, or grub not reaching stage 2 |
| 22:56.45 | nand`help | tremon: okay |
| 22:57.07 | nand`help | I doubt it's the bios, I've used other linux distributions on this same computer before |
| 22:57.13 | nand`help | including crunchbang and ubuntu |
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| 22:57.41 | nand`help | let me try reinstalling grub and playing around with the bios boot order, maybe unplug my other hard drives for the time being |
| 22:57.43 | nand`help | brb |
| 22:57.45 | tremon | have you looked at /boot/grub/device.map yet? |
| 22:57.47 | oconnore | why does update-alternatives create a circular link in /etc/alternatives? |
| 22:57.53 | oconnore | I wrote: sudo update-alternatives --verbose --install /etc/alternatives/keytool.1.gz keytool.1.gz /usr/lib/jvm/java-7-openjdk-amd64/jre/man/man1/keytool.1.gz 90 |
| 22:58.03 | oconnore | and it claims to have done the right thing: "update-alternatives: using /usr/lib/jvm/java-7-openjdk-amd64/jre/man/man1/keytool.1.gz to provide /etc/alternatives/keytool.1.gz (keytool.1.gz) in auto mode." |
| 22:58.13 | oconnore | but then i get a circular link |
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| 22:58.48 | themill | oconnore: → #ubuntu |
| 22:59.14 | oconnore | themill: update-alternatives is debian software |
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| 22:59.44 | oconnore | also, how did you even know that this was ubuntu? |
| 22:59.48 | themill | oconnore: that may or may not have been modified by ubuntu. People here are volunteering to support debian users; they'd help you in #ubuntu if they wanted to. |
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| 23:12.15 | ronny | hi |
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| 23:12.51 | ronny | what would be the best way, if i wanted to replicate my current set of installed packages on a external isk and make it bootable |
| 23:12.54 | lstarnes | making personal attacks isn't going to help any |
| 23:12.59 | lstarnes | err wrong channel |
| 23:13.12 | simonlnu | !aptitude clone |
| 23:13.12 | dpkg | To clone a Debian machine using aptitude (or install your favourite packages) use aptitude search -F '%100p' '~i!~M' > package_list; on the reference machine; xargs aptitude --schedule-only install < package_list; aptitude install; on the other machine. This preserves information about "automatically installed" packages that other methods do not. See also <reinstall>, <things to backup>, <debian clone>, <apt-clone>. |
| 23:13.25 | Mephisto | question |
| 23:13.32 | Mephisto | how do i use xft font for terminal?.. |
| 23:13.34 | Mephisto | i like that one... |
| 23:14.19 | Mephisto | http://mylinuxramblings.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/screenshot_001.jpeg?w=600 |
| 23:14.20 | Mephisto | that one |
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| 23:18.07 | nand`` | Alright, turns out I had to reinstall grub for some reason |
| 23:18.09 | nand`` | works now |
| 23:18.35 | nand`` | but I ran into another issue: Before migrating to this machine I dumped all of my configuration and other vitals onto a usb flash drive |
| 23:18.55 | nand`` | when formatting this I didn't know which to pick so I just went with FAT32 since I figured it would have the most compatibility. Turns out mount can mount ntfs but not fat32.. |
| 23:19.05 | nand`` | Is there any way I can mount a FAT32 partition or otherwise extract my data? |
| 23:19.19 | arietis | i'm trying to install ejabberd but i can't access web admin panel, http://192.168.0.102:5280 doesn't open, any ideas why? |
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| 23:19.58 | nand`` | oh, and x apparently thinks it's a good idea to use my *secondary* screen (which is tiny) and completely ignores my primary |
| 23:20.05 | nand`` | but I'll wait until I've sorted out everything else before fixing that |
| 23:21.12 | abrotman | nand``: you can't mount fat32? |
| 23:21.23 | nand`` | -t fat32 is not a valid filesystem |
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| 23:21.41 | abrotman | tried -t auto ? |
| 23:22.17 | nand`` | I get "you must specify the filesystem type" |
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| 23:22.29 | nand`` | also which is first, the mounting point or the /dev/x path? |
| 23:22.44 | kevlarman | nand``: -t vfat |
| 23:22.51 | Mephisto | abrotman, can you tell me how to use this font for terminal: http://mylinuxramblings.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/screenshot_001.jpeg?w=600 |
| 23:23.01 | abrotman | fonts suck .. no i can't |
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| 23:23.07 | Mephisto | ok. |
| 23:24.41 | nand`` | kevlarman: Thanks! |
| 23:25.22 | nand`` | brb |
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| 23:27.21 | freaky[t] | hi all. since the upgrade to debian squeeze from lenny i get strange symbols or letters whatever arround my wget files but only in the wget display not on disc. here an example arround uMultiNether.jar: http://pastie.org/3292207 how can i get rid of it? |
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| 23:31.25 | nand` | Alright, now the only issue I have is that x fails to detect my multi-monitor setup |
| 23:31.32 | nand` | with that solved I'll be back to normal |
| 23:33.36 | jhutchins_lt | nand`: multiple monitors are typically enabled/controlled using something like xrandr |
| 23:33.53 | jhutchins_lt | nand`: That's what kde's control panel uses. |
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| 23:38.12 | nand` | Concerning xrandr: I ran xrandr --output DisplayPort-0 --auto --pos 0x0 --output VGA-0 --auto --right-of DisplayPort-0 but it didn't change anything |
| 23:38.14 | nand` | what am I missing here? |
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| 23:55.53 | Mephisto | ok, i've identified the font. |
| 23:55.59 | Mephisto | it's xterm font, nameless one apparently. |
| 23:56.04 | Mephisto | how do i use it in gnome-terminal? |
| 23:56.12 | Mephisto | is it even possible? |
| 23:56.35 | abrotman | it's not a nameless font |
| 23:56.57 | Mephisto | ok, what is its name then? |
| 23:57.21 | Mephisto | i've tried looking it up, but nothing came out. Only "xterm font" |
| 23:57.23 | Mephisto | that' sit. |
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