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| 00:01.22 | convolution | hi all |
| 00:01.34 | convolution | ii'm trying to convert a .nrg file in .iso file |
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| 00:01.41 | convolution | but nrg2iso said that the .nrg file is not standard 9660 iso |
| 00:01.45 | convolution | can yo help me? |
| 00:01.55 | convolution | or it is off-topic? |
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| 00:23.00 | feanor | hi, my system I/O stalls after and update. |
| 00:23.04 | feanor | wheezy |
| 00:24.13 | abrotman | stalls? or dies completely? |
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| 00:24.39 | jelly-home | stalls, man |
| 00:24.44 | feanor | just goes veeery slow |
| 00:25.15 | jelly-home | is there HD led blinking and disk grinding |
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| 00:25.23 | feanor | no |
| 00:25.24 | feanor | look |
| 00:25.28 | abrotman | nothing swapping ? |
| 00:25.31 | feanor | [ 2275.800113] iwl3945 0000:04:00.0: Queue 2 stuck for 2000 ms. |
| 00:25.31 | feanor | [ 2275.800117] iwl3945 0000:04:00.0: On demand firmware reload |
| 00:25.31 | feanor | [ 2275.800716] ieee80211 phy0: Hardware restart was requested |
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| 00:25.41 | abrotman | that's causing HDD issues? |
| 00:25.49 | feanor | I disabled swapping onthefly, but I didn't reboot |
| 00:26.00 | jelly-home | feanor: that seems to be wireless-related |
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| 00:26.06 | feanor | that wifi problem is just suspicious |
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| 00:26.37 | feanor | hardware problem? |
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| 00:27.17 | feanor | oh I see there's a firmware update... |
| 00:27.34 | feanor | firmware-iwlwifi appeared as required to update. |
| 00:28.39 | feanor | I reboot |
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| 00:32.41 | feanor | wau, still same problem, still after rebooting |
| 00:33.10 | feanor | I don't seem to have that lwl problems, but bootins is x10 times slower! |
| 00:33.20 | feanor | all related to disk goes damn slow |
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| 00:39.16 | feanor | how to permanently remove disable swap? |
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| 00:39.50 | feanor | Could it be this? [fglrx] Maximum main memory to use for locked dma buffers: 3805 MBytes. |
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| 00:40.03 | abrotman | you think fglrx is crashing your wifi? |
| 00:40.57 | feanor | wifi is fine now, after the firm update |
| 00:41.45 | feanor | but laptop just turned damn slow after the fglrx sriver install, even when booting up it's damn slow, even when trying to login |
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| 00:46.20 | feanor | I desperately need help with this |
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| 00:47.37 | feanor | 30.9%wa |
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| 00:48.47 | seeker7 | I place a zip drive in my usb and it recognizes it and shows me the contents. I then transfer a file to my zip. I take out the zip and put it in a windows machine and the file is not on the zip why is that |
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| 00:49.30 | feanor | how to permanentñy disable swap? |
| 00:49.56 | somiaj | seeker7: is it there if you put the zip drive back on your debian machine? |
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| 00:50.51 | abrotman | feanor: doubt that's your issue |
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| 00:52.06 | aguitel | how i know what kind of memory ram use my motherboard ? |
| 00:52.23 | plexosolar | hahaha |
| 00:52.32 | plexosolar | RTFM |
| 00:52.40 | plexosolar | xD |
| 00:52.58 | feanor | <abrotman> ? |
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| 00:53.16 | abrotman | !tell aguitel about whats my hardware |
| 00:53.23 | abrotman | plexosolar: do you need help ? |
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| 00:53.43 | abrotman | thought not .. |
| 00:54.12 | somiaj | aguitel: lshw will tell you the memeory you have in it now. |
| 00:54.42 | aguitel | abrotman, somiaj thanks |
| 00:55.17 | feanor | afternew firm I still got a [ 1412.352100] iwl3945 0000:04:00.0: Queue 4 stuck for 2000 ms. |
| 00:55.17 | feanor | [ 1412.352105] iwl3945 0000:04:00.0: On demand firmware reload |
| 00:55.17 | feanor | [ 1412.352790] ieee80211 phy0: Hardware restart was requested |
| 00:55.30 | abrotman | feanor: what is uname -r ? |
| 00:55.45 | feanor | 3.1.0-1-amd64 |
| 00:55.58 | feanor | Linux sotano 3.1.0-1-amd64 #1 SMP Tue Jan 10 05:01:58 UTC 2012 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
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| 00:56.03 | abrotman | did you look in the BTS? |
| 00:56.29 | feanor | BTS? |
| 00:56.48 | dvs | !bts |
| 00:56.48 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. See also <apt-listbugs>, <reportbug>. http://wiki.debian.org/HowtoUseBTS |
| 00:56.54 | simonlnu | really. c'mon. |
| 00:57.14 | simonlnu | shuts up |
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| 00:58.01 | abrotman | please .. continue :) |
| 00:58.23 | feanor | I have not checked that |
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| 00:59.12 | Mephisto | abrotman, the font's name is MiscFixed. You could've told me so if you knew. |
| 00:59.46 | abrotman | Mephisto: what did i tell you about fonts? |
| 00:59.56 | Mephisto | you said "it's not nameless" |
| 00:59.58 | Mephisto | but that's it |
| 01:00.01 | simonlnu | he knows nothing about them? :P |
| 01:00.03 | abrotman | but i said 'fonts suck' |
| 01:00.06 | Mephisto | i asked you WHAT font is it... you said nothing. |
| 01:00.11 | Mephisto | yes, but that was a while ago. |
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| 01:00.22 | abrotman | you think fonts got better in two hours ? |
| 01:00.28 | simonlnu | they all have a name... they have to |
| 01:00.34 | honschu | Hi, how to add a spam filter to exim4 ? Is there a docu? |
| 01:00.48 | abrotman | Mephisto: i don't use fonts .. i really don't .. i just use whatever i'm given .. |
| 01:00.54 | simonlnu | install it, and configure it. you have your choice. |
| 01:01.04 | feanor | Xorg is taking 32% CPU, compiler just 7% |
| 01:01.05 | Mephisto | anyways, i've implemented it for my gnome-terminal. |
| 01:01.08 | simonlnu | honschu: there's like 3 off the top of my head |
| 01:01.10 | abrotman | Mephisto: my biggest gripe is serif vs sans-serif ... and monospace vs variable .. |
| 01:01.18 | abrotman | Mephisto: but that's about all i know about them |
| 01:01.19 | Mephisto | simonlnu, that's bitmap font, it's not as quick, but i've done it. http://89.28.122.14:8080/Screenshot.png |
| 01:01.29 | Mephisto | abrotman, ok, i see. |
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| 01:01.35 | simonlnu | whowhat? |
| 01:01.37 | feanor | crap! the nolapic! I think I forgot that! |
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| 01:02.25 | abrotman | oh .. is he going to reboot again?! |
| 01:02.36 | simonlnu | probably |
| 01:02.55 | feanor | me? yes... |
| 01:02.58 | dvs | gets the Frantics |
| 01:03.02 | feanor | and abort wine compilation... |
| 01:03.03 | simonlnu | honschu: three anti-spam thingies, i meant |
| 01:03.29 | simonlnu | spamassassin, crm114, and dspam. i've used 2 of those |
| 01:04.16 | simonlnu | honschu: they all have docs on their spective web sites, plus some extra package-relevant stuff to configure them |
| 01:04.24 | abrotman | honschu: it depends which you want to use .. amavis is a decent front end to a bunch of mail add-ons |
| 01:04.39 | simonlnu | and an overall hog ;p |
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| 01:04.56 | abrotman | simonlnu: they all are .. it doens't help, but it makes management a bit easier |
| 01:05.01 | seeker7 | somiaj: yes it is there |
| 01:05.27 | simonlnu | it does? well, i haven't used it in near 10 years ;p |
| 01:05.48 | simonlnu | respective* |
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| 01:08.32 | feanor | ok it was the damn "nolapic" |
| 01:08.45 | simonlnu | gets a coffee so he doesn't feel so crappy "flu sucks" |
| 01:08.58 | dvs | booooo |
| 01:08.58 | feanor | but still: |
| 01:09.03 | feanor | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:09.04 | feanor | [ 64.157151] iwl3945 0000:04:00.0: Can't stop Rx DMA. |
| 01:09.04 | feanor | [ 64.157580] ieee80211 phy0: Hardware restart was requested |
| 01:09.04 | feanor | [ 69.749106] iwl3945 0000:04:00.0: REPLY_REMOVE_STA failed |
| 01:09.04 | feanor | [ 69.749179] iwl3945 0000:04:00.0: failed to remove IBSS station 00:00:00:00:00:00 |
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| 01:09.31 | simonlnu | ... |
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| 01:10.51 | simonlnu | wonders when feanor is going to notice he was kicked |
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| 01:11.42 | feanor | sry |
| 01:11.55 | simonlnu | feanor: you have to set that or something? aslo, you know to NOT PASTE IN HERE. ;) |
| 01:12.00 | simonlnu | also even |
| 01:13.08 | simonlnu | anyway, we got enough to go, "wow, that's screwed up" :P |
| 01:14.56 | simonlnu | i'd stick that in a search engine and see what pops out, like "iwl3945 hardware restart" or the error codes |
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| 01:15.09 | feanor | yes, I see many report the same |
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| 01:15.29 | feanor | but no solutions... |
| 01:15.58 | simonlnu | is this a new device? |
| 01:16.23 | abrotman | blames Dell |
| 01:16.48 | simonlnu | how about blaming dell canada? :P |
| 01:17.06 | simonlnu | 2 birds... |
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| 01:17.52 | abrotman | hehe |
| 01:18.30 | simonlnu | afi a bit |
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| 01:24.46 | feanor | I got no gdm, nor gnome, I have the fglrx, when I start my X it always picks the highest res possible, I see no res. settings in my xorg.conf, where/how to set that? |
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| 01:27.19 | somiaj | feanor: do you see other modes when you type 'xrandr -q' (though I'm unsure on fglrx support of that) |
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| 01:28.01 | kevlarman | somiaj: fglrx plays well with xrandr |
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| 01:28.13 | feanor | yes I see a lot! a lot! |
| 01:28.27 | kevlarman | somiaj: biggest thing i miss on nvidia's driver |
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| 01:29.18 | karsten | blames abrotman |
| 01:29.44 | feanor | so what ? I see a lot of res, can I use that program to pick one? |
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| 01:30.21 | somiaj | feanor: correct, there are also graphical front ends to it like grandr or something like that |
| 01:31.00 | somiaj | hmm, that only returned lxrandr -- the tool from LXDE |
| 01:31.15 | abrotman | karsten: s'ok |
| 01:31.23 | feanor | do I have to do that with no X running? |
| 01:31.46 | somiaj | feanor: no you do that with X running, xrandr allows you to change monintors/resolutions in the active xsession |
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| 01:32.27 | feanor | amazing discovery! epic! |
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| 01:33.30 | feanor | maybe I can use that to try to wake up the laptop screen? it's dead |
| 01:34.05 | somiaj | feanor: does it list it as one of the possible devices and give it a mode you can set it to? |
| 01:34.46 | feanor | DFP1 disconnected |
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| 01:35.48 | feanor | that screen, after this new install is not working at all, not even when booting up |
| 01:35.55 | nsadmin | moninomitors? |
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| 02:05.01 | feanor | If I have to install a set of .deb, is "dokg -i *.deb" a right way? |
| 02:05.09 | feanor | dpkg* |
| 02:06.04 | abrotman | that's one method |
| 02:06.43 | feanor | another? |
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| 02:09.21 | feanor | then how can I uninstall em all? |
| 02:09.45 | abrotman | what? |
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| 02:10.03 | abrotman | feanor: man dpkg .. i'm not having an elementary discussion with you .. you've been coming to #debian for ages |
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| 02:10.42 | feanor | ok... I get it |
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| 02:37.03 | roe | is there a command to identify whether or not TRIM is enabled? |
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| 02:41.27 | abrotman | roe: enabled where? |
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| 02:54.41 | bmoloney | I just applied some updates to libvirt and qemu-kvm. Now one of my three guests (all Debian squeeze) has lost networking. Anyone heard of this issue? |
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| 02:56.39 | NishaKitty | can anyone help me figure this out |
| 02:57.04 | NishaKitty | I do aptitude show irssi and I get the version 0.8.15-4+b1 |
| 02:57.25 | NishaKitty | aptitude -t testing show irssi* |
| 02:57.39 | NishaKitty | if I do apt-get -t testing source irssi |
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| 02:57.52 | NishaKitty | the dsc file says version 0.8.15-4 |
| 02:57.56 | NishaKitty | no +b1 |
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| 03:19.04 | roe | abrotman, in debian? |
| 03:19.23 | abrotman | roe: but in what? kernel? |
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| 03:20.04 | roe | squeeze |
| 03:20.05 | roe | 3.1 |
| 03:20.12 | abrotman | 3.1 what?! |
| 03:20.21 | abrotman | the kernel? vim? Xorg? bash? |
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| 03:20.27 | roe | the kernel |
| 03:20.47 | abrotman | roe: did oyu look in /boot/config* ? |
| 03:20.48 | Belial` | oh, i thought you meant redhat 3.1 |
| 03:20.59 | roe | as I understand it TRIM is a kernel level feature, bash or Xorg wouldn't make much sense |
| 03:21.14 | abrotman | i only asked you "in what" three times? :) |
| 03:21.34 | roe | I thought I answered it three times |
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| 03:23.23 | roe | I was hoping there was a utility that I could run something like e2fsprogs that would show me "/dev/sda1: TRIM enabled" |
| 03:23.34 | roe | or something like that |
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| 03:25.07 | abrotman | roe: dumpe2fs maybe? |
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| 03:25.16 | obakfahad | guys? |
| 03:25.35 | obakfahad | i need help about this...http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.4/amd64/iso-dvd/ |
| 03:25.45 | obakfahad | which i should download? |
| 03:25.50 | obakfahad | ? |
| 03:25.52 | obakfahad | ? |
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| 03:26.54 | obakfahad | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.4/amd64/iso-dvd/ |
| 03:26.56 | abrotman | the netinst |
| 03:27.02 | abrotman | it's 180MB |
| 03:27.07 | obakfahad | which i should download? |
| 03:27.09 | nsadmin | obakfahad, /msg dpkg enter |
| 03:27.11 | abrotman | i just said |
| 03:27.19 | obakfahad | pleae |
| 03:27.21 | abrotman | and it's in the iso-cd directory |
| 03:27.25 | obakfahad | i havent seen/... |
| 03:27.30 | obakfahad | kicked... |
| 03:27.56 | obakfahad | please again. |
| 03:28.12 | obakfahad | i have a very low speedy network..... |
| 03:28.29 | abrotman | but you wan to download all of the DVDs? |
| 03:28.42 | abrotman | oddly, they go in numerical order .. |
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| 03:28.58 | epsilon | obakfahad: how many MBits and how many PC you want to install debian on? |
| 03:29.02 | obakfahad | no.but which will good enough? |
| 03:29.08 | thepro4ever | i'm trying to monitor an individual process just like you can moitor a bunch with the top command, what command would i use? |
| 03:29.20 | abrotman | thepro4ever: i believe top can filter |
| 03:29.34 | obakfahad | one pc |
| 03:29.57 | obakfahad | should i choose updated DVD-1? |
| 03:29.58 | abrotman | he asked what your bandwidth was |
| 03:30.49 | obakfahad | i get only 20kbps...as i am using mobile internet. |
| 03:30.53 | abrotman | !ig |
| 03:30.53 | dpkg | The Debian Installation Guide for Squeeze (6.0) can be found at http://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/installmanual . See also <errata> <firmware images> <installer firmware> <release notes>. |
| 03:31.08 | nsadmin | watch ps aux | grep <the pid> |
| 03:31.19 | abrotman | he said like top .. |
| 03:31.27 | nsadmin | that might not work properly |
| 03:31.34 | nsadmin | would top do what he wants? |
| 03:31.55 | epsilon | thepro4ever: top -p <PID> |
| 03:32.04 | MestreLion | guys, i think i found a quite disturbing bug in Debian's BASH... it still reads /etc/bash.bashrc even when --rcfile is set |
| 03:32.28 | abrotman | in which version of Debian ? |
| 03:32.36 | nsadmin | MestreLion, so it does not behave as man bash in FILES section? |
| 03:32.57 | abrotman | MestreLion: and are you sure the RC file you pointed it as does not source that file ? |
| 03:33.23 | MestreLion | yes nsadmin ... man bash says when --rcfile is used, both ~/.bashrc and /etc/bash.bashrc should NOT being read |
| 03:33.25 | epsilon | obakfahad: that sucks - options I see: netinstall, or go to somewhere with fast internet and download the DVD ISO |
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| 03:34.06 | MestreLion | abrotman: I actually use Linux Mint, but that behaviour is inherited from upstream (which i tracked from ubuntu and then Debian) |
| 03:34.26 | abrotman | MestreLion: file a bug in your distro's BTS .. go to their IRC .. |
| 03:34.33 | MestreLion | abrotman: im pointing to a file that merely says "echo hi" |
| 03:34.51 | obakfahad | epsilon WHICH DVD iso ? I have wimax modem(80kbps) which works only windows....so i can download DVD but cant install by net installer |
| 03:34.52 | MestreLion | it indeed executes that file instead of ~/.bashrc |
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| 03:35.05 | MestreLion | BUT... it ALSO executes /etc/bash.bashrc |
| 03:35.07 | abrotman | MestreLion: that''s nice .. we don't support Mint here .. file a bug in their BTS .. they can file upstream |
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| 03:35.27 | abrotman | MestreLion: or install Debian, reproduce, then file it in the Debia nBTS |
| 03:35.36 | epsilon | obakfahad: some kind of WinModem? ok that sucks doubled |
| 03:35.48 | abrotman | epsilon: i think it's got like a 3G modem going on ? |
| 03:36.14 | MestreLion | I can do that, abrotman , and i will... but, since this is so easily reproductible, can you please at least confirm if it also happens in debian? |
| 03:36.36 | obakfahad | hmm.....what DVD iso i should download epsilon? |
| 03:36.45 | epsilon | actually I don't know which DVD contains which packages... for basic stuff and one desktop? just DVD1? |
| 03:36.46 | abrotman | MestreLion: you can easily setup a VM in virtualbox to test this .. that'd be your best bet |
| 03:37.03 | abrotman | MestreLion: you should test against squeeze, also check the current Debian BTS before you file any bugs |
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| 03:37.17 | obakfahad | There is DVD-1 and DVD-1 update....so which one? |
| 03:37.32 | abrotman | the first |
| 03:37.41 | MestreLion | ive never installed debian before... would you mind just doing a quick-and-dirt test just to see if im in the right direction? |
| 03:37.42 | obakfahad | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:38.23 | abrotman | MestreLion: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=343673 .. related? |
| 03:38.41 | abrotman | MestreLion: installing Debian is easy .. especially in a VM just to test bash .. you could probably just hold in the enter key ;) |
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| 03:38.49 | MestreLion | ys, and also related to #516152 |
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| 03:39.31 | abrotman | MestreLion: there you go .. already reported and known .. not fixed, but at least known |
| 03:39.51 | MestreLion | last comment was from 2009 |
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| 03:40.08 | abrotman | install Debian, verify it's still there .. send patches! |
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| 03:40.35 | epsilon | obakfahad: debian-6.0.4-amd64-DVD-1.iso - consider using torrent, cause it will take a while with your connection. |
| 03:40.52 | MestreLion | a dev said that it could be because his rcfile was empty... then he showed using a non-empty rcfile that both his file AND /etc/bash.bash is being eecute... then... a 3-year silence :( |
| 03:41.29 | obakfahad | epsilon......is there any way to use debian from usb and save session ? |
| 03:41.43 | epsilon | obakfahad: beside that, still a silly idea to leech DVD ISO with 80kbit. Consider ask someone with fast internet or order DVD Image per post |
| 03:42.54 | epsilon | obakfahad: sure you can run linux on usb sticks. Just google for howto and experiences |
| 03:43.29 | nsadmin | from a usb hard drive, yes... remember that writing to a stick wears it out faster |
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| 03:44.05 | epsilon | make sure your PC can boot from the USB |
| 03:44.28 | obakfahad | i use puppy. |
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| 03:45.03 | nsadmin | puppy is for ppc, isn't it? |
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| 03:47.16 | nsadmin | not an intel |
| 03:47.33 | obakfahad | thanks guys..... |
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| 03:51.44 | MestreLion | abrotman: wouls this be the correct url for download? http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.4/amd64/iso-cd/debian-6.0.4-amd64-netinst.iso |
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| 03:55.15 | abrotman | MestreLion: that'd be great |
| 03:55.23 | abrotman | !ig |
| 03:55.23 | dpkg | The Debian Installation Guide for Squeeze (6.0) can be found at http://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/installmanual . See also <errata> <firmware images> <installer firmware> <release notes>. |
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| 03:57.00 | MestreLion | ok, im downliading... but installing a whole distro in a VM seems quite a burden on someone whos just trying to help... specially if anyone with debian running could test this in 2 lines in any terminal |
| 03:57.03 | cwebber | is there an equivalent to service on centos for debian? |
| 03:57.32 | cwebber | other than the obvious /etc/init.d/<service> start|stop|status |
| 03:58.45 | abrotman | cwebber: update-rc.d |
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| 03:59.31 | abrotman | MestreLion: it works here |
| 03:59.37 | cwebber | abrotman: thanks. |
| 03:59.40 | epsilon | what the hell he is using... still think it's some kind of Netbook with 3G |
| 04:00.05 | MestreLion | abrotman: but it also executed /etc/bash.bashrc , correct? |
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| 04:00.24 | abrotman | MestreLion: http://paste.debian.net/154258/ |
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| 04:00.37 | abrotman | MestreLion: oh .. no idea .. didn't bother to check .. i thought oyu meant it wasn't executing your file at all |
| 04:01.08 | MestreLion | it IS executing the file.. the problem is that it is ALSO executing /etc/bash.bashrc |
| 04:01.37 | MestreLion | and i think it shouldn't |
| 04:01.48 | lasers` | I'm curious. I run Gnome2. Why do I have so many /usr/sbin/console-kit-daemon --no-daemon when running htop? |
| 04:02.11 | abrotman | MestreLion: yes, it appears so .. i'm headed to bed .. so if you want to experiment more, you're on your own |
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| 04:02.15 | MestreLion | just check your /etc/bash.bashrc and see if there is anything there that can be used to identify if it was executed of not... |
| 04:02.27 | MestreLion | for example, a fancy PS1 |
| 04:02.36 | abrotman | MestreLion: i see open("/etc/bash.bashrc", O_RDONLY|O_LARGEFILE) = 3 |
| 04:03.12 | MestreLion | in Linux Mint theres a handy "fortune" being called in the end of /etc/bash.bashrc , so its easy to see if it was executed of not |
| 04:03.15 | nsadmin | MestreLion, as you may know, the bash maintainers do not maintain the man page as closely as the info page. Check the info page associated with the version of bash you're running |
| 04:03.37 | MestreLion | nsadmin: check for what? |
| 04:03.38 | abrotman | nsadmin: see the referenced bug above |
| 04:03.40 | abrotman | waves |
| 04:04.26 | MestreLion | i think this is more serious than just outdated documentation... i mean... isnt --rcfile meant to prevent /etc/bash.bashrc from being executed? |
| 04:05.08 | MestreLion | would be quite useless if it only replaced ~/.bashrc |
| 04:05.33 | MestreLion | besides it would give the user no option for NOT executing the systemwide c |
| 04:05.39 | MestreLion | rc* |
| 04:06.18 | MestreLion | I need a way to say: do NOT execute anything from /etc , just execute the ones in my ~/ |
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| 04:06.55 | MestreLion | --norc would do that... but then it would ignore --rcfile and no execute any file at all |
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| 04:09.04 | nsadmin | have you looked at the FILES section in the docs? |
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| 04:17.36 | MestreLion | yes nsadmin , what about it? |
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| 04:18.26 | nsadmin | does the behavior you observe match or not match what's documented? |
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| 04:18.37 | MestreLion | do not match |
| 04:18.47 | nsadmin | ok, so that is definitely a bug |
| 04:19.17 | MestreLion | from the INVOCATION section: |
| 04:19.32 | MestreLion | "The --rcfile file option will force bash to read and execute commands from file instead of /etc/bash.bashrc and ~/.bashrc." |
| 04:20.45 | nsadmin | I would suggest that you get the pure (NOT debianized) source, build it to install somewhere like in your home dir, and check whether your observation about debian and mint bash applies to that... pick a version that most closely matches what you get from "bash --version) |
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| 04:21.01 | MestreLion | actual behavior: the --rcfile option is forcing bash to read and execute fomands from file instead of ~/.bashrc , ***but its still reading and executing /etc/bash.bashrc****" |
| 04:21.37 | MestreLion | nsadmin: a pure bash does not even mention /etc/bash.bashrc |
| 04:21.48 | MestreLion | /etc/bash.bashrc is a Debian extension |
| 04:22.27 | MestreLion | nsadmin: compare your man bash with http://sprunge.us/aaLb |
| 04:22.35 | MestreLion | specially the INVOCATION section |
| 04:22.54 | MestreLion | or FILES too |
| 04:23.21 | nsadmin | INVOCATION, that's the one I'm looking for next :) |
| 04:24.14 | MestreLion | its near the top |
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| 04:26.48 | nsadmin | yep, it's clear from the docs: |
| 04:27.36 | nsadmin | The --rcfile file option will force bash to read and execute commands from file instead of /etc/bash.bashrc and ~/.bashrc. |
| 04:27.40 | MestreLion | and I truly hope the *behaviour* is fixed, not the docs |
| 04:28.31 | MestreLion | thats why i think both #343673 and #516152 miss the point |
| 04:28.49 | MestreLion | they focus too much on discrepancy of docs... while the issue is much more serious |
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| 04:30.31 | dioz | i'm so rad i watch youtube videos of DDOS |
| 04:31.20 | nsadmin | umm... o.. k.. |
| 04:31.53 | dioz | just wanted you guys to know that |
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| 04:35.26 | MestreLion | nsadmin: also, ive found something that may be another bug... |
| 04:36.11 | MestreLion | --norc is disabling execution of --rcfile |
| 04:38.24 | MestreLion | so currently a user has NO WAY to disable the systemwide bashrc and still run a custom one from his own |
| 04:39.04 | nsadmin | that sounds reasonable... if you say --norc, that means NO rc. |
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| 04:42.29 | MestreLion | it sounds reasonable if there is ANY way to disable just the systemwide one |
| 04:42.44 | MestreLion | ie, if --rcfile wasnt flawed |
| 04:45.14 | nsadmin | what does bash --version say? |
| 04:45.52 | MestreLion | GNU bash, version 4.1.5(1)-release (i686-pc-linux-gnu) |
| 04:48.10 | MestreLion | so, IMHO, the bug prolly is that code for executing /etc/bash.bashrc is only reading --norc ... its completely ignoring --rcfile |
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| 04:48.40 | MestreLion | -rcfile is only considered when deciding on ~/.bashrc execution |
| 04:48.52 | nsadmin | http://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/bash/bash-4.1.tar.gz |
| 04:49.08 | MestreLion | but i have no skills to patch it myself |
| 04:50.15 | nsadmin | well that would be one thing you could do with the source... and, I was just thinking you could build that source to install in your home dir |
| 04:50.17 | MestreLion | i mean.. i could patch the source, im a programmer, but I lack the Linux/Debian knowledge to set up a proper build environment to test such a core bin as bash |
| 04:50.24 | nsadmin | and see what the behavior is |
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| 04:51.21 | nsadmin | one interesting thing is there was no 4.1.5 in ftp.gnu.org |
| 04:51.42 | nsadmin | 4.1 and 4.2, those were there |
| 04:52.31 | MestreLion | theres no need to build that nsadmin ... just look at source and see theres no reference for /etc/bash.bashrc |
| 04:53.15 | MestreLion | ./bash-4.1/doc/bash.1 |
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| 04:53.48 | MestreLion | thats a Debian extension |
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| 04:57.16 | nsadmin | if the code were written portably, you might not find /etc/bash_bash_profile, you might instead see BASH_PROFILE or THE_PROFILE_FILE_FILE_FI... |
| 04:57.40 | Kamping_Kaiser | man bash makes --rcfile sound like it disables /etc/bash.bashrc anyway |
| 04:57.44 | Kamping_Kaiser | ~line 75 |
| 04:57.59 | Kamping_Kaiser | so --norc with --rcfile would be redundant and wrong |
| 04:57.59 | nsadmin | yes |
| 04:58.41 | Kamping_Kaiser | and the same document ~line 95 says --norc is on if invoked as sh, so there is another potential work around there |
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| 04:59.23 | MestreLion | Kamping_Kaiser: but --rcfile is NOT disabling /etc/bash.bashrc , thats the problem |
| 04:59.47 | MestreLion | nsadmin: check your /usr/share/doc/bash/README.Debian.gz |
| 05:00.31 | MestreLion | "The Debian version of bash is compiled with a special option |
| 05:00.32 | MestreLion | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:00.32 | MestreLion | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:00.32 | MestreLion | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:00.32 | MestreLion | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:00.42 | MestreLion | sorry |
| 05:00.52 | MestreLion | did the paste go ? |
| 05:01.28 | MestreLion | so its clear that the /etc/bash.bashrc is a Debian-only feature |
| 05:02.03 | MestreLion | --rcfile was supposed to disable it, but currently it isn't |
| 05:02.26 | Kamping_Kaiser | MestreLion: if --rcfile is documented as disabling it and doesnt, its a bug and you should file it with reportbug. |
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| 05:02.54 | MestreLion | Kamping_Kaiser: it was filed in 2006 and in 2009 |
| 05:03.11 | MestreLion | both still open |
| 05:03.18 | Kamping_Kaiser | numbers? |
| 05:03.36 | MestreLion | and both unfortunatly focused more on documentation rather than the behavior itself |
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| 05:05.40 | MestreLion | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=516152 |
| 05:05.40 | MestreLion | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=343673 |
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| 05:09.09 | Kamping_Kaiser | hm, no activity from the maintainer at all |
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| 05:10.03 | Kamping_Kaiser | doku doesn't seem very active these days :/ |
| 05:10.41 | Kamping_Kaiser | MestreLion: i guess your options are rebuild without the bash.bashrc patches, or move the file aside |
| 05:10.58 | Kamping_Kaiser | MestreLion: and comment on the bug(s) to see if a gentle reminder will help |
| 05:11.22 | MestreLion | move which file? /etc/bash.bashrc ? |
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| 05:12.00 | MestreLion | "these days" ? these *years* you should say :P |
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| 05:13.24 | Kamping_Kaiser | fair point :p |
| 05:13.35 | bambuseae | I suppose this is better asked in the kfreebsd (or however) channel but I am installing from a debian iso and I don't know the channel name... |
| 05:13.50 | Kamping_Kaiser | and yes, that file. or check /etc/profile and comment out the lines sourcing bash.bashrc |
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| 05:14.09 | Kamping_Kaiser | so there is a third option (: |
| 05:14.17 | MestreLion | both would have a systemwide impact on other users... thats not an option :( |
| 05:14.20 | FearOfMusic | can multiple clients connect to a tun device interface at once (point-to-point) with multiple ip addresses? |
| 05:14.22 | bambuseae | I suppose that you can compile kfreebsd kernel for debian install right? Take a squeeze install, and compile kfreebsd kernel? |
| 05:14.23 | FearOfMusic | http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/539 <- in reference to this article, it uses openssh to create a vpn but from my understanding it is only a vpn tunnel between two computers |
| 05:15.02 | Kamping_Kaiser | MestreLion: yes they do |
| 05:15.33 | Kamping_Kaiser | bambuseae: you can't run a userland built for linux on kfreebsd, no |
| 05:15.59 | MestreLion | well, i can use --norc , but that would require me to source my ~/.bashrc on every login, which sucks :/ |
| 05:16.21 | Kamping_Kaiser | MestreLion: what are you trying to avoid exactly? |
| 05:16.29 | bambuseae | Kamping_Kaiser, Can you provide me a link to the docs, faq or whatever that would describe why? |
| 05:17.02 | bambuseae | It uses BSD userland? |
| 05:17.03 | MestreLion | Kamping_Kaiser: im trying to create a "clean" build session by avoiding /etc/bash.bashrc |
| 05:17.31 | bambuseae | Kamping_Kaiser, is it at all possible, with some hacks? |
| 05:18.20 | MestreLion | Kamping_Kaiser: by firing a terminal and running: exec env -i bash --rcfile mycustombuildoptions |
| 05:18.22 | Kamping_Kaiser | bambuseae: no its not. you have to rebuild all binaries for new target kernel (ttbomk) |
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| 05:19.07 | bambuseae | Kamping_Kaiser, can you not use the binaries (if any)? |
| 05:19.25 | Kamping_Kaiser | MestreLion: it would be eaiser to override the relevant options after sourcing bash.bashrc in (eg) .bashrc as bash.bashrc only sets half a dozen things |
| 05:19.40 | Kamping_Kaiser | bambuseae: iirc freeebsd has a linux compatability layer, but as a rule you can't |
| 05:19.44 | Kamping_Kaiser | dpkg: kfreebsd |
| 05:19.44 | dpkg | Debian GNU/kFreeBSD is a port that consists of GNU userland using the GNU C library on top of FreeBSD's kernel, coupled with the regular Debian package set. kfreebsd-amd64 and kfreebsd-i386 were released as a "technology preview" for Squeeze, ask me about <install guide>. http://www.debian.org/ports/kfreebsd-gnu/ http://glibc-bsd.alioth.debian.org/doc/ http://wiki.debian.org/Debian_GNU/kFreeBSD_FAQ #debian-kbsd on irc.oftc.net. |
| 05:20.03 | Kamping_Kaiser | bambuseae: ^^ thats the channel and other info |
| 05:20.15 | bambuseae | Oh thank you very much. |
| 05:20.21 | Kamping_Kaiser | np |
| 05:20.25 | bambuseae | Kamping_Kaiser, sorry for repetitive questions. |
| 05:21.31 | MestreLion | Kamping_Kaiser: yes, i could do that... but then i have 2 issues: I have NO idea where some env vars are coming from, for exmple, XDG_SESSION_COOKIE and XDGAUTHORITY ... |
| 05:22.19 | Kamping_Kaiser | bambuseae: no problem. |
| 05:22.20 | MestreLion | the other issue is that bash.bashrc in my distro (Linux Mint) comes with mintfortune... its cool and etc, but it ends up executing twice.. :P |
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| 05:23.16 | Kamping_Kaiser | MestreLion: you'll have to ask them where they're sourcing their stuff from, |
| 05:23.24 | Kamping_Kaiser | MestreLion: those thigns don't come from the shell, tehy come from userland |
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| 05:24.21 | MestreLion | theres nothing sourced by either /etc/profile or /etc/bash.bashrc that sets those vars |
| 05:24.46 | MestreLion | (and ive checked /etc/profile.d too... nothing there, only bash_completion |
| 05:25.03 | MestreLion | so I wonder where those vars are leaking from |
| 05:25.39 | bambuseae | Kamping_Kaiser, I haven't been in Debian for a whiles, so I'll stick to this for a while... Also, that channel is dirt dead. |
| 05:26.11 | MestreLion | Im using gnome 2, i created a new user with no skel, no its $HOME is completely empty... and still some vars are set when i "su - user" |
| 05:26.39 | Kamping_Kaiser | freedesktop sets them |
| 05:26.40 | MestreLion | no = so* |
| 05:26.55 | MestreLion | but who is calling freedesktop ? |
| 05:27.40 | Kamping_Kaiser | i'm guessing gdm, dbus or some other similar serviced |
| 05:27.42 | FearOfMusic | master_of_master: what about /etc/login.defs ? |
| 05:27.48 | MestreLion | its neither /etc/profile nor /etc/bash.bashrc , but if i use --norc they are not set |
| 05:28.03 | FearOfMusic | MestreLion* |
| 05:28.34 | MestreLion | i didnt check those FearOfMusic ... who executes that? |
| 05:28.53 | FearOfMusic | at least PATH gets set there i believe |
| 05:29.54 | Kamping_Kaiser | afk, irl is calling :O |
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| 05:30.45 | FearOfMusic | MestreLion: i think most of the useradd/userdel/su/etc type programs end up reading it |
| 05:30.50 | FearOfMusic | im not sure of the entire sequence |
| 05:31.54 | MestreLion | well, im logging in via "su - user" |
| 05:32.01 | MestreLion | so it makes sense |
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| 05:33.50 | FearOfMusic | looking through PAM configuration files quickly it seems /ets/environment and /etc/default/locale are sourced at login (on my desktop at least) for environment variables |
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| 05:37.37 | HeavyMetal | but in Debian 5 it worked fine |
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| 05:42.13 | MestreLion | at least here, /etc/environment only sets a PATH, and locale only sets LANG |
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| 07:26.22 | MRCracker | hi |
| 07:26.37 | MRCracker | how can i use tor |
| 07:26.40 | MRCracker | ? |
| 07:29.10 | somiaj | lots of debian packages have additional docs in /usr/share/doc/pkgname -- maybe there is some useful info there, or look for documentation online |
| 07:29.57 | somiaj | that is if the man page isn't enough and you want more of a howto style documentation |
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| 07:30.39 | simonlnu | they have a web site too... |
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| 07:41.26 | takahiro | does debuild create both source and binary packages? |
| 07:42.10 | simonlnu | !debian-mentors |
| 07:42.17 | simonlnu | !debian mentors |
| 07:42.22 | simonlnu | !mentors |
| 07:42.22 | dpkg | it has been said that mentors is the system the Debian project uses to train new people to become Debian Developers or Debian Maintainers and get their packages into the Debian archive. Ask me about <nmg>. http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/ http://mentors.debian.net/ #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org. |
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| 07:52.53 | Hyppias | on an Atom machine, which kernel must be used: the one with "686"in the name or "486"? |
| 07:53.11 | Lasher_777 | 686 |
| 07:53.17 | Hyppias | thnx |
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| 07:54.34 | GNU\colossus | anyone in here running Debian armel on a kirkwood-platform? or is there a channel dedicated to that arch maybe? |
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| 08:04.42 | kuhkatz | takahiro, add its name to /etc/modules |
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| 08:11.07 | raboof | wifi normally works fine here. i usually use network-manager and nm-applet to configure my wifi. |
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| 08:11.42 | raboof | i now encounter a wifi network that shows up in nm-applet fine (i guess it does an 'iwlist scan'), but when I try to connect to it, it doesn't ask me for a password |
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| 08:12.06 | raboof | when i disable network-manager and configure the network in /etc/network/interfaces it does work (but that's not as convenient) |
| 08:12.16 | raboof | any clues as to how to debug this further? |
| 08:14.48 | somiaj | raboof: you could write an alias in /etc/network/interfaces for that network and then use 'ifup wlan0=alias' when you are near that network, and use nm for all your other ones. I little less incovienent. Though there may be ways to configure nm better |
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| 08:15.11 | |DM| | can someone please tell me how to turn of suhosin |
| 08:15.22 | |DM| | I can't understand the steps I find using google |
| 08:15.52 | gnarface | |DM|: probably easiest to just uninstall it (dpkg --purge [package name]) |
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| 08:16.04 | raboof | somiaj: yeah.. i fear there'll be more networks like this though (i remember having a similar problem before). |
| 08:16.05 | |DM| | that removes it without breaking php? |
| 08:16.22 | |DM| | @ gnarface |
| 08:16.28 | somiaj | raboof: you could try wicd as an alternative to nm. |
| 08:16.30 | gnarface | |DM|: well make sure you pick the right package name. i think its php5-suhosin and honestly no, i don't know if it works without it i just think it will, i've never tried |
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| 08:17.04 | gnarface | |DM|: do you have a good reason to want to remove it? i had the vague notion that protects you from buffer overflows and other messy insecurities in the php core |
| 08:17.35 | |DM| | I'm running a server for learning purposes on my own, no-one else will access the server so I'm not worried by security issues |
| 08:17.43 | |DM| | however it messes with phpmyadmin |
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| 08:17.51 | |DM| | so I want to either remove it, or reconfigure it |
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| 08:21.19 | gnarface | |DM|: well dpkg --purge will definitely remove it - however if it messes with phpmyadmin i would suggest you just not use phpmyadmin - it will cripple your learning and waste your time chasing phpmyadmin bugs |
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| 08:21.43 | |DM| | ok |
| 08:23.07 | raboof | somiaj: yeah that seems to work perfectly.. thanks :) |
| 08:23.33 | gnarface | |DM|: i'm kinda surprised that it messes with anything though - i've never seen it do that. are you sure its the cause of your problems with phpmyadmin? debian's default mysql configuration of "not listening on anything but localhost" is a common stumbling block |
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| 08:24.08 | |DM| | http://192.168.56.110/phpmyadmin/Documentation.html#faq1_38 |
| 08:24.17 | |DM| | no actual problems, just trying to avoid problems |
| 08:24.53 | gnarface | i don't think that's an ip address we can reach |
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| 08:25.55 | gnarface | |DM|: is it just saying that the suhosin.request|get|post.max_ values are too low? |
| 08:26.11 | gnarface | |DM|: you can probably change those in /etc/php5/*/php.ini |
| 08:26.13 | |DM| | oh, sorry |
| 08:26.16 | |DM| | posted the local version |
| 08:26.26 | gnarface | yea, i know :-p |
| 08:27.34 | gnarface | don't let anyone make this too easy for you. read the official documentation on php.net and trust it first and foremost. if you gloss over to many details in the setups your servers (and 3rd party software like phpmyadmin) will be a constant plague on your life |
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| 08:28.10 | |DM| | http://www.phpmyadmin.net/documentation/#faq1_38 |
| 08:28.41 | gnarface | |DM|: are you running apache2? |
| 08:28.45 | |DM| | yes |
| 08:29.05 | gnarface | |DM|: then these values should be in /etc/php5/apache2/php.ini (or somewhere nearby) |
| 08:29.56 | |DM| | ah, ok. I was changing /etc/php5/cli/php.ini |
| 08:30.18 | gnarface | |DM|: debian has a separate php.ini in a separate subdirectory of /etc/php5 for every php install; unlike other linux distros debian treats the cli, cgi, and mod_php installs of php separate and gives them each their own php.ini |
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| 08:30.32 | gnarface | |DM|: that config file you were editing would only have affected php scripts run in the shell |
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| 08:30.41 | Hyppias | Setting up Debian on a USB stick. Can I do that on one machine (AMD64 machine) and run it on another (Atom) computer? have different disk configs too. |
| 08:30.44 | gnarface | |DM|: aka "at the command line" |
| 08:30.53 | |DM| | gnarface: mhm, I get it. |
| 08:31.07 | gnarface | |DM|: don't forget you have to start && stop apache |
| 08:31.18 | gnarface | |DM|: for the changes to take |
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| 08:31.23 | |DM| | gnarface: yeah, from init.d |
| 08:31.34 | |DM| | learned that leasson while installing wsgi and mysql |
| 08:31.39 | gnarface | |DM|: and god help you if you're doing this to a production system. it should be known those values are set low by default for your own good |
| 08:32.03 | |DM| | gnarface: not production, like I said just me messing around with it. |
| 08:32.22 | gnarface | |DM|: if its just a dev server and your network is non-hostile (and so are your users) it should be a non-issue |
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| 08:32.56 | |DM| | gnarface: it's running inside a vm and on a local connection with the host OS |
| 08:33.12 | gnarface | oh good that's perfect |
| 08:33.15 | |DM| | the only way to reach the VM from outside is through NAT, so it shouldn't be a problem |
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| 08:34.21 | gnarface | phpmyadmin is a great tool to use to avoid learning mysql, but the sooner you learn mysql the better |
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| 08:34.34 | gnarface | and php's mysql apis are actually both really nice |
| 08:34.37 | |DM| | I'm just using it to ease the process |
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| 08:39.42 | |DM| | http://www.phpmyadmin.net/documentation/#faq1_38 so I just add these to the end of php.ini ? @ gnarface |
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| 08:41.38 | gnarface | |DM|: i would have checked the file to see if they were already in there somewhere first |
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| 08:42.21 | gnarface | |DM|: also i would have looked in this file too: /etc/php5/conf.d/suhosin.ini (which gets included by the other two) |
| 08:42.36 | |DM| | gnarface: so for example : search for suhosin.request.max_vars if it is there, set it to 2000, if not add a line suhosin.request.max_vars = 2000 ? |
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| 08:43.45 | gnarface | |DM|: yes. if you set it twice then it will probably take the second option, but maybe it'll just shit itself, i dunno. if i were you i'd make sure i was logging errors to the apache error log too |
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| 08:47.19 | |DM| | gnarface: oaky,so I found the vars in suhosin.ini , but they are all on lines starting with a ; |
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| 08:47.26 | gnarface | |DM|: remove the ; |
| 08:47.33 | |DM| | and then change them? |
| 08:47.43 | NapHtaKeRoSene | hi |
| 08:47.43 | gnarface | |DM|: yes |
| 08:47.45 | |DM| | k |
| 08:47.54 | NapHtaKeRoSene | how do you do if typedef in C ? |
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| 08:49.32 | Phil | try ##c, NapHtaKeRoSene |
| 08:49.50 | NapHtaKeRoSene | Phil<< they don't let me in unregistered |
| 08:49.57 | mehrdad_ | how to install jre in firefox??? |
| 08:49.59 | NapHtaKeRoSene | i won't register to join that |
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| 08:51.25 | mehrdad_ | dude! how to install jre in firefox??? |
| 08:52.04 | petern__ | which one? |
| 08:52.13 | |DM| | gnarface: done, however I was wondering if I could just turn suhosin simulation on |
| 08:52.29 | petern__ | (there's sun-java6-plugin and icedtea6-plugin) |
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| 08:57.03 | mehrdad_ | petern__: how to install? |
| 08:57.17 | petern__ | same as any other package |
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| 09:30.35 | MestreLion | question... BASH upstream .orig package is in .xz format, and it seems dpkg-source -x can't extract it. So, if I extract it manually, how can i apply the patches? |
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| 09:33.01 | MestreLion | apt-get source bash also is unable to correctly extract bash |
| 09:34.02 | ansgar | MestreLion: http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/b/bash/ No .orig.tar.xz there. |
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| 09:35.18 | MestreLion | no, but there is bash-4.1.tar.xz inside the .orig.tar.gz |
| 09:35.59 | MestreLion | apt-get source only generates the debian folder, and a bash-4.1.tar.xz file |
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| 09:36.45 | ansgar | *sighs* Ugly package... The J option for tar (instead of z) will use xz instead of gzip to decompress the archive. |
| 09:37.09 | phogg | bwa |
| 09:37.16 | phogg | j should be bz2 |
| 09:37.21 | MestreLion | any way to set this J option in apt-get source or dpkg-source ? |
| 09:37.46 | ansgar | phogg: J != j |
| 09:37.57 | phogg | ansgar: aha, sorry. Bad eyes. |
| 09:38.20 | phogg | if you omit j J and z it should try to autodetect the compression. |
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| 09:38.55 | ansgar | MestreLion: It's a tar archive inside the .orig.tar.gz. dpkg-source has nothing to do with it, it will however do the right thing if it was directly a .orig.tar.xz archive. |
| 09:39.51 | MestreLion | yes, but patches are not being applied in this way |
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| 09:40.28 | MestreLion | by apt-get source |
| 09:40.59 | MestreLion | i was able to extract the xz myself... so how can i resume from where apt-get source stopped ? |
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| 09:42.05 | ansgar | MestreLion: There is a patch target in d/rules. |
| 09:42.41 | MestreLion | i dont know what d/rules is |
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| 09:43.16 | ePlus` | hey all |
| 09:43.35 | ansgar | MestreLion: Or actually more than one. d/rules is debian/rules in the source package. |
| 09:43.36 | ePlus` | how do i turn on eth0 at bootup? |
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| 09:43.55 | izepstan | hi, hello there, how can i make sure my debian is etch or lenny ? |
| 09:44.01 | babilen | ePlus`: http://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration |
| 09:44.09 | MestreLion | apt-get source worked for every package ive tried so far... it downloads it, extracts it, and apply all debian patches |
| 09:44.14 | babilen | izepstan: What does "cat /etc/debian_version" give you? |
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| 09:44.19 | MestreLion | for bash, apt-get source didnt apply the patches... |
| 09:44.24 | MestreLion | so, what should i do? |
| 09:44.37 | izepstan | 6.0.3 |
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| 09:44.56 | babilen | izepstan: That is a slightly outdated version of squeeze |
| 09:45.21 | izepstan | ok thx |
| 09:45.21 | babilen | izepstan: A look at your /etc/apt/sources.list should confirm this btw |
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| 09:45.54 | ePlus` | thanks babilen |
| 09:46.18 | ePlus` | did the trick |
| 09:46.26 | MestreLion | ansgar: why apt-get source didnt aply the patches itself, as it always di with all packages ? |
| 09:46.28 | babilen | izepstan: You should upgrade to 6.0.4 though. See "/msg dpkg point release" and "/msg dpkg 6.0.4" for more details and pointers to documentation. |
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| 09:47.31 | izepstan | ok.. whats the difference btw. squeeze, lenny, etch.. i use it as server for xen and the virtual instances as webservers... |
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| 09:47.49 | simonlnu | you have squeeze there (that needs an update) |
| 09:48.13 | Doggman | its 2 |
| 09:48.50 | Doggman | simonlnu |
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| 09:49.11 | Gerben | hello |
| 09:49.12 | babilen | Doggman: Do you have a question we can help you with? |
| 09:49.13 | simonlnu | Doggman: could you not do that for no reason? thank you |
| 09:49.23 | MestreLion | phogg,do you know what can i do? |
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| 09:49.37 | Gerben | quite unexpected to be asked by name on (random time) |
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| 09:49.42 | Doggman | simonlnu dorry |
| 09:49.54 | Doggman | Gerben hi |
| 09:49.58 | babilen | Gerben: Indeed - Please ignore Doggman |
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| 09:50.16 | babilen | Doggman: If you don't have a question or want to help others stay silent please. |
| 09:50.17 | Doggman | babilen pls dnt be a dick |
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| 09:50.48 | simonlnu | don't insult ops either ;) |
| 09:50.55 | babilen | Doggman: That was uncalled for. Please refrain from insulting people in this channel in the future and try to stay on topic. Thank you. |
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| 09:54.19 | MestreLion | Hi! how can i download the source, extract and apply the patches in bash package? |
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| 09:54.37 | babilen | MestreLion: fwiw -- I can not reproduce your problem on squeeze. (6.0.3) If you are running 6.0.4 I'll try to reproduce it there. Could you paste your command, sources.list and output/error to http://paste.debian.net ? |
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| 09:55.19 | babilen | MestreLion: "apt-get source bash" works fine here. (for 4.1-3 and 4.2-1) |
| 09:55.25 | MestreLion | command was apt-get source bash |
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| 09:56.13 | MestreLion | there was no errors... but it left me with a .xz file and a debian folder.. |
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| 09:56.41 | babilen | MestreLion: Show me please and include your sources.list and other information you deem relevant |
| 09:57.02 | themill | bash is one of these tarball in a tarball monstrosities, isn't it? |
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| 09:57.36 | babilen | is updating his VM -- one second please. |
| 09:57.40 | MestreLion | yes themill ... i think its a non-standard package |
| 09:58.16 | MestreLion | and thats why apt-get source does not fully extract it or aplly the patches |
| 09:58.41 | themill | MestreLion: it extracts it far enough to be able to build the package using debian/rules |
| 09:59.39 | MestreLion | themill: i dont want to actually build a package to DEB.. i just want to study the patched sources... |
| 09:59.53 | MestreLion | any way for me to manually aplly the patches? |
| 09:59.57 | themill | MestreLion: so read debian/rules to see what it does to unpack the package |
| 09:59.58 | MestreLion | apply* |
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| 10:00.30 | MestreLion | i was already able to unpack the package, using GUI... it.. |
| 10:00.42 | MestreLion | but i dont know how to apply the patches |
| 10:00.43 | themill | *sigh* |
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| 10:01.49 | MestreLion | (ie, i "fixed" the xz-inside-tar issue... now i have a bash-4.1 dir with all source code and the debian folder |
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| 10:11.06 | takahiro | yay i made my first debian package http://whebsite.com/media/downloads/debian/i386/ |
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| 10:15.23 | Bartzy | Hi |
| 10:15.27 | Bartzy | What's /dev/.udev ? |
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| 10:15.44 | cyb99 | hi, is there a daily change log of squeeze updates and reasonings behind them somewhere? |
| 10:17.06 | themill | cyb99: daily? no squeeze doesn't change daily. "/msg dpkg 6.0.4" for the point release changelog. |
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| 10:17.15 | cyb99 | i mean, a change log |
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| 10:21.02 | Gerben | cyb99, the mailing list contains such messages |
| 10:21.07 | cyb99 | okk |
| 10:21.12 | cyb99 | 5 17 * * * <- how often does that crontab run? |
| 10:21.16 | Gerben | in the archives you'll find a listing |
| 10:21.17 | cyb99 | every 5minutes? |
| 10:21.27 | Gerben | man crontab |
| 10:22.10 | jelly | cyb99: once a day |
| 10:22.11 | cyb99 | so it runs at 5:05pm everyday? |
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| 10:22.36 | Gerben | if i'm correct that will run at every hour at x:17:5 |
| 10:22.48 | jelly | you are incorrect, Gerben |
| 10:22.53 | cristian | Hi guys, I'm having a serious issue here: httpd: Syntax error on line 55 of /usr/local/apache2/conf/httpd.conf: Cannot load /usr/local/apache2/modules/libphp5.so into server: /usr/local/apache2/modules/libphp5.so: undefined symbol: zend_ini_boolean_displayer_cb |
| 10:23.14 | cristian | The libphp5.so is there, but there is some kind of undefined symbol. |
| 10:23.19 | jelly | Gerben: crontab has 1 minute granularity |
| 10:23.23 | Gerben | jelly, just checked the man, it is not so precise :) |
| 10:23.28 | cristian | What can I do to fix this? I guess it's Zend related. |
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| 10:23.35 | Gerben | thats why I referred to the manual in the first place |
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| 10:24.00 | nkuttler | cristian: try apache or zend support, you're not using debian packages |
| 10:24.03 | cyb99 | so, is it 5:05PM every day ? |
| 10:24.14 | cristian | 10x nkuttler |
| 10:24.17 | cyb99 | whats x:17:5 |
| 10:24.17 | nkuttler | cyb99: unless the day end prematurely |
| 10:24.26 | jelly | cyb99: yes. |
| 10:24.31 | cyb99 | k |
| 10:24.32 | cyb99 | ty |
| 10:24.55 | Gerben | cyb99, I meant every hour at 5 seconds past 17 minutes past the hour - but forget it, it was wrong |
| 10:25.31 | shellox | konsole and xfce-termianl show encoding errors, if i cat a file with iso 8859-1 encoding. rxvt-terminal display it correctly. what can cause this error in xfce-termianl and kde? |
| 10:26.02 | shellox | my default encoding is utf-8 |
| 10:26.04 | cyb99 | kk |
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| 11:04.15 | file-exists-p | hi. is there a way to get a short description of the update reason for each package when running aptitude safe-upgrade ? |
| 11:04.34 | themill | !apt-listchanges |
| 11:04.34 | dpkg | apt-listchanges is a tool that displays NEWS.Debian file contents (default) and/or the changelogs of Debian packages before upgrading them. It is recommended for users of stable to install the apt-listchanges package, to see what is happening to their systems as security fixes are applied; it should be made _mandatory_ for users of testing and unstable. Also ask me about <d-d-a>, <apt-listbugs>. |
| 11:05.50 | themill | file-exists-p: ^^ depends on your definition of "short". |
| 11:06.08 | file-exists-p | let me check :) |
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| 11:08.14 | file-exists-p | looks perfect |
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| 11:31.50 | namoamitabuddha | I have a strange bug on font rendering. Might anyone point out in which package the problem is? |
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| 11:32.48 | nkuttler | namoamitabuddha: can you be more specific and make a screenshot? |
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| 11:32.57 | MestreLion | FearOfMusic, Kamping_Kaiser , nsadmin : i was able to fix bash regarding the --rcfile and /etc/bash.bashrc bug. what would be the proper way of submiting the patch to debian? |
| 11:33.23 | nkuttler | MestreLion: file a bug, attach the patch |
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| 11:33.39 | MestreLion | there are 2 bugs on this issue already |
| 11:33.52 | namoamitabuddha | nkuttler: I'm doing. |
| 11:33.55 | MestreLion | but i never used debian's bug tracking... |
| 11:34.21 | namoamitabuddha | http://imagebin.org/196696 |
| 11:34.21 | MestreLion | not even sure how to properly generate/format the patch |
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| 11:34.29 | nkuttler | MestreLion: shold be documented on the bug page how to add messages |
| 11:34.47 | namoamitabuddha | There're some blank line on the font. |
| 11:36.02 | namoamitabuddha | nkuttler: I've done. I've filed a bug, but now I guessed that I chose the wrong package. |
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| 11:36.20 | nkuttler | namoamitabuddha: hm? i didn't tell you to file a bug.. |
| 11:36.50 | namoamitabuddha | nkuttler: Yes. I only want to illustrate that I've filed a bug. |
| 11:37.06 | nkuttler | namoamitabuddha: hm, the whole screen please |
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| 11:38.32 | namoamitabuddha | nkuttler: Only some characters have this bug and it's not stable (for example, wait for a moment and it disappears and some other characters happens) |
| 11:39.06 | alabd | good day all , have a private question from a person that skill in securing debian server |
| 11:39.16 | nkuttler | namoamitabuddha: sounds like your screen or graphics card is broken... but it's odd that you can take a screenshot of it then |
| 11:39.36 | nkuttler | namoamitabuddha: maybe the font got corrupted on disk.. really odd |
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| 11:39.58 | nkuttler | !msg me |
| 11:39.58 | dpkg | Nobody is going to /msg you. Especially, don't /msg nkuttler. |
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| 11:40.31 | namoamitabuddha | nkuttler: Thanks. I'll take another but excuse me that I might not snapshot the whole screen. |
| 11:41.25 | nkuttler | namoamitabuddha: it could also be a broken terminal application or something else. try to isolate the problem by swapping out whatever is involved in displaying the font |
| 11:42.12 | namoamitabuddha | nkuttler: Wait for a moment |
| 11:42.57 | namoamitabuddha | nkuttler: http://imagebin.org/196697 |
| 11:43.15 | namoamitabuddha | nkuttler: Look at the line "dpkg-reconfigure ..." |
| 11:43.34 | namoamitabuddha | nkuttler: Character 'g" is not normal |
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| 11:44.05 | namoamitabuddha | nkuttler: It is a snapshot of firefox. The problem also effects in terminal. |
| 11:44.06 | nkuttler | namoamitabuddha: that's a screenshot of a browser, right? so start by using a different browser.. |
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| 11:44.30 | nkuttler | namoamitabuddha: well that's bizarre. see what i said earlier then |
| 11:44.49 | nkuttler | namoamitabuddha: your best bet is probably to reinstall the font |
| 11:45.24 | Sbidicuda | please I need help: nfs-kernel-server won't export my usb drive in /media/disk |
| 11:45.27 | namoamitabuddha | nkuttler: Well, but how to explain that the problem is unstable? |
| 11:45.48 | nkuttler | namoamitabuddha: are you using testing/sid xorg? |
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| 11:46.02 | namoamitabuddha | nkuttler: bpo |
| 11:46.15 | nkuttler | namoamitabuddha: oh right, also try a different video driver. happy testing |
| 11:46.36 | namoamitabuddha | nkuttler: such as fbdev? |
| 11:46.50 | nkuttler | namoamitabuddha: i'd try vesa first |
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| 11:47.55 | namoamitabuddha | nkuttler: the problem may be about (font or video driver). am I right? |
| 11:48.00 | nkuttler | namoamitabuddha: next i'd try xorg support, there's some debian-specific channel @ oftc afaik. it's really bizarre |
| 11:48.19 | nkuttler | namoamitabuddha: well i guess xorg's fonts rendering could be glitchy |
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| 11:49.06 | namoamitabuddha | nkuttler: Here's another snapshot in Xfce-terminal, I get it and save to my disk. |
| 11:49.28 | nkuttler | #debian-x @ oftc |
| 11:49.40 | nkuttler | namoamitabuddha: i can't help you any more |
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| 11:50.04 | namoamitabuddha | nkuttler: thanks |
| 11:50.06 | namoamitabuddha | nkuttler: http://imagebin.org/196699 |
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| 11:51.10 | namoamitabuddha | nkuttler: edit xorg.conf and only restart Xorg by "service kdm restart", am I right? |
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| 12:04.30 | skilz | Is it possible to overclock my laptop cpu with debian? |
| 12:04.44 | Sbidicuda | please I need help: nfs-kernel-server won't export my usb drive in /media/disk |
| 12:05.13 | skilz | Also how can I control my fan? |
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| 12:06.37 | namoamitabuddha | Who helped me? |
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| 12:12.18 | ksuhku | namoamitabuddha, nkuttler ? |
| 12:12.25 | ksuhku | lol |
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| 12:27.48 | vrs | what's the nicest way of installing openjdk-7-jre on squeeze? |
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| 12:29.57 | namoamitabuddha | nkuttler: Thanks. It may be a bug in video because I found there's similar bugs: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=622873 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/782855 |
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| 12:30.22 | Posterdati | hi |
| 12:30.25 | vrs | or just openjdk-7-jre-headless |
| 12:30.37 | Posterdati | how can I export over nfs /media/disk? Thanks |
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| 12:32.36 | nkuttler | namoamitabuddha: well that's why i suggested to try vesa |
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| 12:33.25 | namoamitabuddha | nkuttler: Now I'm using fbdev as http://x.debian.net/faq/general.html |
| 12:33.47 | nkuttler | nice |
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| 12:35.37 | fongweekim | Hi I am a newbie to debian and need some help with the installation |
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| 12:37.25 | fongweekim | I am using a Gigabyte 8800GA motherboard with a AMD athlon X2. Currently having problem with the HDMI |
| 12:37.58 | fongweekim | I am only able to get the display on my TV with the HDMI but not the audio. Please advise |
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| 12:42.26 | fongweekim | Anyone here? |
| 12:43.10 | petemc | fongweekim: does aplay -l list your hdmi device ? |
| 12:43.48 | fongweekim | Thank you for the reply. Errm. I am a newbie and don;t really get you. |
| 12:44.12 | petemc | its a command |
| 12:44.14 | KjetilK | I'm using the Iceweasel release backports to stable from http://mozilla.debian.net/ and see a lot of crashes. For example http://www.preikestolenfjellstue.no/index.php?fo_id=3011 crashes it with 100% reproducably. It can't be an addon now (they run in a separate process, right)? Can anyone else here reproduce it? |
| 12:44.24 | fongweekim | ok I will try and see |
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| 12:47.42 | izepstan | ok now i got cat /etc/debian_version |
| 12:47.42 | izepstan | wheezy/sid |
| 12:47.44 | fongweekim | petermc: Yes it does display |
| 12:48.03 | fongweekim | Sorry for my ignorance |
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| 12:59.52 | MestreLion | Question: I just installed Squeeze 6.04, fresh clean install. Ive changed my user in System -> Administration -> Users and Groups from "Custom" to "Administrator". But even after logging out and in again, sudo does not work. Shouldn't it? |
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| 13:03.27 | fasta | Busy with spooling of LPR-task, 90% complete. What does that mean? |
| 13:05.02 | OsteHovel | Its spooiling a printer job and its 90% done with spooling |
| 13:05.09 | OsteHovel | Spooling* not spoiling |
| 13:05.32 | fasta | OsteHovel: but what is 'spooling'? |
| 13:05.51 | OsteHovel | Fasta: spooling is processing a printer job |
| 13:06.23 | fasta | OsteHovel: spool refers to the process of placing data in a temporary working area for another program to process. |
| 13:06.36 | fasta | OsteHovel: it seems to be a fancy word for copying data. |
| 13:06.42 | fasta | Not actually processing it. |
| 13:06.54 | OsteHovel | I was looking at wikipedia now too, and i saw it |
| 13:07.01 | OsteHovel | More like a fancy word for a que |
| 13:07.21 | fasta | Insert item in queue in datastructure terms. |
| 13:07.42 | fasta | I don't know why people make up random words for no reason at all. |
| 13:08.04 | OsteHovel | Hehe spooling is a OLD word but still. |
| 13:08.39 | fasta | Yes, I know it is old, but it seems to be a terribly overloaded word these days, which causes it to have no meaning anymore at all. |
| 13:08.50 | fasta | Synergy! |
| 13:09.53 | themill | things have been called print spools for a very long time too |
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| 13:10.29 | OsteHovel | ~60 Years |
| 13:10.45 | cerettala_ | I dont think anyone made up the term spool, it was around long before computers. It is wrapping a line(wire/tape/rope/etc) around a drum (winch/pulley/drum/etc) |
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| 13:11.42 | fasta | Which is a perfectly good reason to stop using the word (because the current tech has nothing to do with the old implementation). |
| 13:12.12 | fasta | It equates transport with walking, while today we also have fighter jets to move from A to B. |
| 13:12.18 | engla | german spule: inductor |
| 13:12.31 | cerettala_ | Heh, I think it was a stretch in the first place personally.... I think we are to far down the rabbit hole now. Eliminating the word would cause more choas and confusion than it would clear up. :) |
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| 13:22.49 | Hyppias | what is the root password for the live Debian DVD1? |
| 13:23.33 | Hyppias | It seems I auto-login as "user" |
| 13:24.04 | Coweater | Hyppias: it's probably random, use "sudo passwd root" to change it, or "sudo su" if you just want to switch to it |
| 13:24.15 | cristian | Hi guys, I keep getting this when I try to compile mplayer: |
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| 13:24.24 | cristian | The following packages have unmet dependencies: libavcodec-dev : Depends: libdc1394-22-dev but it is not going to be installed Depends: libraw1394-dev but it is not going to be installed |
| 13:24.35 | Hyppias | ok |
| 13:24.39 | cristian | Found various bug reports, how can I fix this? |
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| 13:25.25 | bolt | why does 'TERM=dumb top -n 1 | grep Cpu' continously return the same numbers? |
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| 13:28.09 | bolt | hm.. -b does the same |
| 13:28.12 | bolt | "top -bn 1 | grep Cpu" keeps returning the exact same numbers. any ideas on why? |
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| 13:29.49 | Coweater | bolt: the first iteration is the average from system boot until the call to top, source: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/4940250/top-command-first-iteration-always-returns-the-same-result |
| 13:29.54 | Agiofws | can anyone tell me why i can't install cups on my pc i get this error http://codepad.org/9i9k6GfN |
| 13:30.24 | babilen | .oO( codepad.org is really slow ) |
| 13:30.49 | Agiofws | Unpacking cups (from .../cups_1.4.4-7+squeeze1_i386.deb) ... |
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| 13:30.54 | Agiofws | dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/cups_1.4.4-7+squeeze1_i386.deb (--unpack): |
| 13:30.54 | dpkg | agiofws: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin). |
| 13:30.58 | Agiofws | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:31.00 | bolt | Coweater: ah. thanks :) |
| 13:31.04 | Agiofws | dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe) |
| 13:31.04 | Agiofws | oo sorry babilen |
| 13:31.12 | Agiofws | ok |
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| 13:31.42 | babilen | Agiofws: Yeah, I did not want you to paste it all in here. It loaded eventually. |
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| 13:32.38 | Agiofws | babilen, http://paste.debian.net/154319/ |
| 13:32.51 | babilen | Agiofws: The error you are seeing is "trying to overwrite '/etc/cups/cupsd.conf', which is also in package cupsys 1.3.7-5" -- Could you paste your sources.list along with the output of "apt-cache policy ; apt-cache policy cups cupsys" to http://paste.debian.net ? |
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| 13:33.35 | starenka | how can i su (as a regular user) as specific user without knowing it's pass? can't figure it out in sudoers :( |
| 13:34.01 | DelTree | with su you just can't... |
| 13:34.19 | babilen | Agiofws: I bet that you still have cupsys from lenny installed and that the squeeze version clashes with it. Did you upgrade to squeeze recently? Please ensure that you complete the upgrade (aptitude search ~o and aptitude search ~U shouldn't show any packages) |
| 13:34.29 | starenka | DelTree: i mean sudo |
| 13:34.32 | DelTree | with sudo... if root made a mistake in sudoers, you possibly could... |
| 13:34.46 | Agiofws | babilen, not recently but it could be the reason ... |
| 13:34.52 | starenka | DelTree: hehe, im root, i used need to setup this |
| 13:34.52 | DustyDingo | hi, i need to install debian on an external usb drive |
| 13:35.03 | starenka | s/used/just |
| 13:35.04 | babilen | Agiofws: Please see the <release notes> for further details on how to upgrade from lenny to squeeze. |
| 13:35.04 | DustyDingo | so i have booted from an usb stick with the drive attached |
| 13:35.09 | DustyDingo | and install to this drive |
| 13:35.13 | DustyDingo | but now i have to install grub |
| 13:35.26 | DelTree | starenka: can't see why you would need such a nasty thing... |
| 13:35.29 | DustyDingo | and there is also another harddisc with a grub installation in the box |
| 13:35.39 | DustyDingo | and the debian install wants to install to this one |
| 13:35.39 | babilen | Agiofws: You still have lenny packages on your system -- Cleaning that/finishing the upgrade will fix the error you are seeing right now. |
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| 13:35.58 | DustyDingo | how do i make sure, debian will properly set up grub on the external disc so i can later boot from it? |
| 13:35.58 | Agiofws | http://paste.debian.net/154322/ |
| 13:36.07 | Agiofws | babilen, how do you know that i do ? |
| 13:36.18 | babilen | ,versions cupsys |
| 13:36.19 | judd | Package: cupsys on i386 -- lenny: 1.3.8-1+lenny9; lenny-proposed-updates: 1.3.8-1+lenny10; lenny-security: 1.3.8-1+lenny10 |
| 13:36.29 | babilen | Agiofws: ^^^^ it's not in squeeze |
| 13:36.36 | DustyDingo | installer asks me if i want to install GRUB to mbr of the internal disc, so i select "no" |
| 13:36.43 | DustyDingo | but then i have to specify another disc |
| 13:36.56 | DustyDingo | and "hd3", "hd2" etc. fails then |
| 13:37.01 | starenka | DelTree: i just need quick& dirty solution for out test machine. integration srever user can't spawn browsers, cause it's nt logged in X. I was playing w/ xvfb, but can't set it up right now and i need to make it working (dirty) now. then solve it properly |
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| 13:37.22 | Agiofws | babilen, http://paste.debian.net/154324/ |
| 13:37.50 | DelTree | starenka: you'll have to allow to run "su foo" as root with sudo... |
| 13:38.00 | Agiofws | i have upgraded for a long time now show i just uninstall cupsys ? |
| 13:38.30 | babilen | Agiofws: What about "aptitude search ~o" "apt-get update ; aptitude search ~U"? What about: aptitude search '?narrow(?not(?archive("^[^n][^o].*$")),?version(CURRENT))' |
| 13:38.43 | Agiofws | aptitude: command not found |
| 13:39.01 | streuner | !installit |
| 13:39.01 | dpkg | Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. If someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get or aptitude. |
| 13:39.09 | babilen | Agiofws: Yes, removing cupsys would fix *this* problem. You might still have some cruft on the system though. |
| 13:39.25 | Agiofws | and install what in its place ? |
| 13:39.27 | Agiofws | cups ? |
| 13:39.52 | Agiofws | can i search with apt-get or synaptic ? |
| 13:40.30 | Agiofws | http://imagebin.org/196710 |
| 13:40.46 | babilen | Agiofws: No, you can't. And yes you would install cups in lieu of cupsys |
| 13:41.00 | Agiofws | http://imagebin.org/196711 |
| 13:41.08 | babilen | Agiofws: Please run the commands I gave you and paste them along with their output to http://paste.debian.net |
| 13:41.14 | Agiofws | ok wait |
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| 13:42.31 | rawtaz | how does debian major updates work in terms of config files, for exmaple then location and structure of such files are changed? does it try to move and restructure, or do you need to do that manually? |
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| 13:43.12 | Agiofws | babilen, installing aptitude |
| 13:43.43 | Agiofws | babilen, it can't remove cupsys right now ... just giving you some info |
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| 13:44.24 | Agiofws | E: /var/cache/apt/archives/cups_1.4.4-7+squeeze1_i386.deb: trying to overwrite '/etc/cups/cupsd.conf', which is also in package cupsys 1.3.7-5 |
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| 13:45.30 | babilen | Agiofws: "aptitude keep-all ; aptitude purge cupsys" |
| 13:45.38 | hanshans | hi all! how to automatically execute a command (root privileges needed) after starting X? |
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| 13:46.52 | nsadmin | that kind of conflict should be reported to the maints of both packages (may be the seme person) |
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| 13:48.17 | Agiofws | babilen, ok first command http://paste.debian.net/154327/ |
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| 13:49.57 | Agiofws | babilen, second command http://paste.debian.net/154328/ |
| 13:50.00 | babilen | Agiofws: All those package have either been installed from external sources (e.g. adobe-flashplugin) or are older packages from (maybe) lenny. You should check the list and purge/remove those packages. (aptitude purge ~o) |
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| 13:51.08 | babilen | Agiofws: The packages listed in the second command are those that can be upgraded. Please run "apt-get update ; apt-get dist-upgrade" to do so. (fix the old packages (see above) first) |
| 13:51.14 | Agiofws | babilen, 3rd command http://paste.debian.net/154329/ |
| 13:51.57 | Agiofws | hmm nope i'm afraid it will break my system |
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| 13:53.13 | babilen | Agiofws: That command lists all packages that are (in the specific version) not available in squeeze (or rather in your currently configured repositories) -- Run this command again after you completed the other two steps and check if you want to remove additional packages. |
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| 13:56.33 | Agiofws | Unpacking cups (from .../cups_1.4.4-7+squeeze1_i386.deb) ... |
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| 13:59.57 | Agiofws | "aptitude keep-all ; aptitude purge cupsys" this seemed to fix ... problems |
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| 14:00.58 | babilen | Agiofws: Please also fix the rest. |
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| 14:02.59 | dannN | Hi, were can i find the default "It works" page on my debian webserver? i want to change this page |
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| 14:04.10 | datenritter | Hi. I wonder why "btrfs subvolume delete ext2_saved" leads to an "error accessing 'ext2_saved'". Any ideas? |
| 14:04.29 | nsadmin | find /var/www -name index.html |
| 14:04.39 | nsadmin | dannnnnnnnnn, run that |
| 14:05.31 | dannN | nsadmin: thank, got it |
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| 14:06.04 | dannN | and this file will be copied if i add an new website in /var/www via ispconfig? |
| 14:06.22 | nsadmin | not sure |
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| 14:07.04 | nsadmin | try altering what you found |
| 14:07.22 | nsadmin | then make a new... umm... subsite? |
| 14:08.07 | nsadmin | new virtual domain and site running on it |
| 14:08.29 | Andy1978 | dannN: Perhaps you want to zless /usr/share/doc/apache2/README.Debian.gz ? |
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| 14:09.12 | nsadmin | concur. |
| 14:09.19 | pom | How can I see what version a package is before I install it? |
| 14:09.25 | Agiofws | "/usr/lib/cups/backend/lpd failed" is anyone familiar with this error ? |
| 14:09.41 | Agiofws | i just cant get my network printer to work |
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| 14:09.42 | Andy1978 | pom: apt-cache policy "package" |
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| 14:10.04 | pom | Andy1978: Thank you very much. |
| 14:10.22 | Andy1978 | pom: you're welcome |
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| 14:12.08 | MestreLion | Question: I just installed Squeeze 6.04, fresh clean install. Ive changed my user in System -> Administration -> Users and Groups from "Custom" to "Administrator". But even after logging out and in again, sudo does not work. Shouldn't it? |
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| 14:13.09 | mashed | MestreLion: have you put the user in to sudoers or confirmed that "Administrators" has sudo rights? |
| 14:13.38 | Guest85992 | Hey guys. If I remember correctly, I've installed phpmyadmin via apt-get. How do I go about changing it's default directory from /phpmyadmin? |
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| 14:14.52 | nsadmin | MestreLion, specify what "does not work" means for this case |
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| 14:15.30 | mashed | Guest85992: you should simply be able to change the directory alias in apache virt files. |
| 14:15.40 | MestreLion | mashed: shouldn't Administrators have sudo rights? |
| 14:16.10 | themill | MestreLion: there is no "Administrators" group in debian. I don't think anyone really understands what you've done |
| 14:16.16 | nsadmin | for anyone to sudo, must be a sudoer |
| 14:16.28 | MestreLion | nsadmin: Menu System -> Administration -> Users and Groups -> choose a user -> change "Administrator". This alone is not enough for a user to use sudo |
| 14:16.41 | mashed | MestreLion: they can if you want them too but they won't by default. you need "%Administrators ALL=(ALL) ALL" in /etc/sudoers (edited by visudo |
| 14:16.58 | themill | (or just "adduser username sudo") |
| 14:17.12 | Guest85992 | mashed: I can't find the directory. My public directory is /var/www/ and it isn't in there |
| 14:17.19 | nsadmin | what did you want to accomplish? by running this thing you want the user to be a sudoer? |
| 14:17.27 | MestreLion | so that GUI does not work as it should... |
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| 14:17.32 | nsadmin | themill, what about that sudoers file? |
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| 14:17.39 | themill | nsadmin: what about it? |
| 14:17.48 | Andy1978 | MestreLion: What GUI? a gnome tool? |
| 14:17.49 | Guest85992 | mashed: Is it the one in /etc/ - if so, I simply rename the directory? Surely there's something pointing to it? |
| 14:17.50 | nsadmin | does it have an effect? |
| 14:17.53 | themill | MestreLion: I have no idea what gui you're talking about? |
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| 14:18.10 | MestreLion | yes Andy1978 , the gnome tool thats ships out of the box with Debian 604 |
| 14:18.23 | mashed | Guest85992: The software isn't stored there it is in /usr/share/phpmyadmin (or similar) you need to change the name of the directory alias in apache. Not the name of the directory on the file system |
| 14:18.34 | MestreLion | themill: are you using Gnome? |
| 14:18.43 | Bartzy | Hi |
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| 14:19.14 | themill | MestreLion: no |
| 14:19.24 | Guest85992 | mashed: In apache2.conf? I couldn't find the term phpmyadmin in there :s |
| 14:19.25 | nsadmin | MestreLion, (following is opinion) probably gui shouldn't do any admin stuff at all... in favor of that, learn to do the admin stuff from shell |
| 14:19.48 | Andy1978 | MestreLion: I thought Debian 6.04 comes out of the box with gnome, kde, kfce, or lxde... |
| 14:19.53 | nsadmin | I'm not sure I totally believe that, for the reason that the shell is kinda unforgiving |
| 14:19.53 | MestreLion | nsadmin: if that gui does not work as intended, then it should be removed from stock debian |
| 14:19.57 | mashed | Guest85992: no /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/<yoursite>.conf |
| 14:20.08 | jhutchins_lt | !tell MestreLion about sudo |
| 14:20.12 | Andy1978 | MestreLion: But please follow nsadmins or themills advice |
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| 14:20.23 | Bartzy | Hey |
| 14:20.32 | Bartzy | How do I search the description of packages with aptitude ? |
| 14:20.34 | MestreLion | guys, i know about the sudo group, and how to use the terminal for that |
| 14:20.39 | Bartzy | aptitude search doesn't search in the field. |
| 14:20.42 | nsadmin | my advice is a long road if you don't know the shell well |
| 14:20.50 | Bartzy | Description and/or the short description of the package |
| 14:20.58 | Guest85992 | mashed: The only file in sites-enabled is 000-default Also doesn't have phpmyadmin in |
| 14:21.05 | jhutchins_lt | MestreLion: The gnome tool says nothing about sudo. |
| 14:21.09 | MestreLion | but, since there is a GUI exactly for that, it should work as intended... the way it is, is really misleading |
| 14:21.36 | MestreLion | jhutchins_lt: it says to change your account type to "Admistrator" or "Regular User" |
| 14:21.49 | MestreLion | this should mean adding user to sudo group as well |
| 14:21.59 | jhutchins_lt | MestreLion: This isn't Windows. No, that's not what it means. |
| 14:22.07 | nsadmin | MestreLion, for redesigning the gui, you can speak to the folks who are actively working on it |
| 14:22.29 | jhutchins_lt | MestreLion: Learn how to administer Linux: http://tldp.org/LDP/sag/html/index.html |
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| 14:22.40 | vahid | hi all |
| 14:22.45 | mashed | Guest85992: could you check /etc/apache2/conf.d aswell please |
| 14:22.48 | nsadmin | but also, you should determine what exactly it means to be an admin as defined by the gui |
| 14:23.07 | jhutchins_lt | Linux isn't Windows. We don't want Linux to be Windows. |
| 14:23.34 | MestreLion | nsadmin: thats debian's role to configure that gui so it includes sudo group, or to remove that gui from stock debian |
| 14:23.42 | Guest85992 | mashed: That file is empty |
| 14:23.53 | MestreLion | the way it is is really misleading |
| 14:24.03 | mashed | MestreLion: there is no gui in 'stock' debian |
| 14:24.08 | vahid | in debian squeeze debian my laptop cpu temperature is up very fast how resolve it? |
| 14:24.10 | jhutchins_lt | MestreLion: making a user an Administrator does not necessarily mean granting them unlimited sudo privileges. |
| 14:24.23 | jhutchins_lt | MestreLion: Debian does not use sudo for administration by default. |
| 14:24.33 | mashed | Guest85992: i have no idea then - i usually install it manually. |
| 14:24.40 | MestreLion | jhutchins_lt: dude, im not saying Linux is Windows, I have no idea why you implied i said that |
| 14:24.54 | vahid | in debian squeeze debian my laptop cpu temperature is up very fast how resolve it? |
| 14:25.01 | jhutchins_lt | MestreLion: If debiqan does not use sudo for administration, why would making a user an "Administrator" do anything regarding sudo? |
| 14:25.15 | Guest85992 | mashed: Ok, thanks for your help anyway :) Perhaps I could search through all files to see if 'phpmyadmin' is mentioned? |
| 14:25.19 | nsadmin | you want things to work... which is very -unlike- windows :) |
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| 14:25.45 | vahid | crying |
| 14:25.45 | mashed | Guest85992: sure `grep -r phpmyadmin *` would do that for you |
| 14:25.56 | MestreLion | jhutchins_lt: i just thing an user set as "Administrator" should have sudo priviledges, or else what would that "Administrator" mean? |
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| 14:26.15 | jhutchins_lt | MestreLion: DEBIAN DOES NOT USE SUDO FOR ADMINISTRATION! |
| 14:26.25 | no_gravity | Hello! Still exploring Debian and have some questions... |
| 14:26.38 | nsadmin | ! ask |
| 14:26.39 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 14:26.39 | MestreLion | ok, i got that... so what does it mean, in debian, for a user to be an administrator? |
| 14:26.42 | Guest85992 | mashed: I'm an idiot. I thought conf.d was a file I typed pico conf.d - Empty :P It's a directory! |
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| 14:27.00 | Andy1978 | MestreLion: I think you have to ask the gnome boys |
| 14:27.03 | no_gravity | 1) I have two icons on my desktop "computer" and "personal directory". How do I get rid of them? |
| 14:27.15 | jhutchins_lt | MestreLion: Now you're asking the right question. |
| 14:27.17 | Andy1978 | no_gravity: gnome, KDE ? |
| 14:27.19 | Guest85992 | Your grep command returned results from /conf.d/.. and I promptly slapped my forehead! |
| 14:27.24 | no_gravity | Andy1978: gnome |
| 14:27.25 | nsadmin | see what happens if you right-click on them |
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| 14:27.29 | mashed | MestreLion: First things first - Groups do not implicitely grant privileges on debian to the operating system. They grant privileges to files and can be used for categorising users that should have OS rights. |
| 14:27.30 | vahid | i have problem with debian and cpu tempretuer |
| 14:28.00 | Guest85992 | mashed: We have a phpmyadmin.conf file in there, is that what I'm looking for? |
| 14:28.02 | MestreLion | understood, mashed |
| 14:28.03 | jhutchins_lt | vahid: Determine what's using the CPU, make sure cpufreqd is installed and configured. |
| 14:28.06 | no_gravity | 2) Irssi does not support the -ssl parameter. Anything to do about it? Is it available in debian unstable? Im using Debian 6.0 right now. |
| 14:28.27 | mashed | MestreLion: root is the only privilege user that can run anything and certain executables can run as root to get the job done and nothing else. |
| 14:28.56 | no_gravity | 3) Im in a hotel right now, trying to conntect to the wifi. Yesterday it worked. Today it just stops without connecting and without any error. Is there a log of the connection attempt somwhere, where I can see whats wrong? |
| 14:28.58 | vahid | jhutchins_lt: use core i5 cup and cpufreqd install and my cpu work in 1199 freq |
| 14:28.58 | MestreLion | ok |
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| 14:29.44 | mashed | MestreLion: one of these is sudo. you can use OS groups to configure groups that can assign OS rights to users. by default (on my box anyway no gui) there are no configured groups and I have to add in user entries manually |
| 14:30.13 | nsadmin | MestreLion does have a point... he's seeing a place where things aren't working as he expects... at MINIMUM, the gui should say something about what it's doing or what it's about to do if he pulls the trigger |
| 14:30.15 | mashed | Guest85992: spot on, thats the file you need. |
| 14:30.32 | MestreLion | ok mashed |
| 14:30.38 | mashed | nsadmin: indeed that was one of my biggest sticking points when learning myself |
| 14:30.40 | Bartzy | How do I search the description of packages with aptitude ? |
| 14:30.46 | vahid | i use debian stable with kernel 2.6.32-5 amd64 |
| 14:31.17 | jhutchins_lt | MestreLion: Again, there's more to configuring Linux than point-and-click: http://tldp.org/LDP/sag/html/index.html |
| 14:31.18 | MestreLion | mashed: you box may not have gnome installed. But gnome is installed by default if you select the default options at install time |
| 14:31.18 | mashed | but once you understand the role of users and groups. more importantly how they do less by default than windows is when it starts to make sense |
| 14:31.38 | jhutchins_lt | MestreLion: It's very flexible and allows many different security models. |
| 14:32.03 | MestreLion | mashed: i do undersntad the role of users and groups, and ive already noticed in /etc/sudoers that all it takes to grant sudo to a user is to add that user to the sudo group |
| 14:32.14 | mashed | MestreLion: I only ever do the base system instal and build on that manually |
| 14:32.26 | MestreLion | and i know how that can be accomplished using terminal |
| 14:32.45 | mashed | MestreLion |
| 14:32.55 | mashed | MestreLion easy - `sudo visudo` |
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| 14:32.59 | nsadmin | what??!! there's not ONE TRUE security model?! and she's not a booth bunny at Crack^WSmack^WMacWorld?! |
| 14:33.30 | MestreLion | My point was... there is also a GUI that ships with default Debian gnome that supposedly would do that.. at least for the novice user its implied that it should work that way. |
| 14:33.33 | babilen | mashed: The easiest way is to add the user to the "sudo" group if no fancy sudoers configuration is needed/wanted. |
| 14:33.46 | Andy1978 | MestreLion: Have you read http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/user-admin-change.html.en ? |
| 14:34.05 | mashed | babilen: totally agreed proper group configuration is made of win |
| 14:34.18 | Guest85992 | mashed: You're the man! Or a woman, but most likely a man. Thanks for your help |
| 14:34.24 | MestreLion | if in debian that gui is not configured to add the user to the sudo group when the "Administrators" role is selected, than that gui is misleading when used in a Debian system |
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| 14:35.36 | mashed | MestreLion go back to what I said about executables being granted root privileges by setuid |
| 14:35.54 | nsadmin | MestreLion, sudo is not installed by default and its development has nothing to do with gnome... |
| 14:35.58 | babilen | MestreLion: What you are seeing might very well be a bug -- I personally have no idea what the Gnome tool is supposed to do. (It seems to add users to the "wheel" group on Fedora for example) -- What you are seeing is at least a usability bug if not one in the implementation of that "wizard". It should also have been become apparent that we don't really use these tools and prefer a more direct, console-based approach. Running "adduser YOURUSER ... |
| 14:36.05 | babilen | ... sudo" should be all you need if you want to be able to acquire superuser privileges with sudo. |
| 14:36.16 | themill | MestreLion: I'm inclined to agree with you on this but since I have no idea what this gui looks like or does, I can't comment further. |
| 14:36.25 | MestreLion | mashed: im not arguing about the standard way of giving sudo priviledges to a user by adding him/her to the sudo group by issuing a terminal comand |
| 14:36.31 | themill | MestreLion: did you log out and log back in after making that change? |
| 14:36.37 | ianliu | My package depends on libfoo and ssh, so I've put this in my debian/control: "Depends: libfoo, ssh | openssh-client openssh-server". Is this correct? |
| 14:36.47 | SeasluG | contact@directchannel.co.za |
| 14:36.48 | SeasluG | ooops |
| 14:36.50 | babilen | MestreLion: Oh, good point! |
| 14:36.50 | Andy1978 | themill: here is the help page http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/user-admin-change.html.en |
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| 14:36.58 | nsadmin | MestreLion, so, you must have installed sudo... yes? |
| 14:37.02 | MestreLion | themill: its a GUI called "Users and Groups", basically a frontend to adduser, deluser, addgroup, etc |
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| 14:37.15 | mashed | MestreLion gnome and some associated apps have root privileges and a user running in gnome with 'Administrator' role will let you administer some parts of the system that gnome can administer such as network devices etc... |
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| 14:37.30 | babilen | Andy1978: Thanks -- Now we only need to figure out what exactly "admin rights" means. :) |
| 14:38.04 | Andy1978 | babilen: yes, I read the docu but it's not clear to me what this setting really changes |
| 14:38.11 | MestreLion | babilen: true, "admin" may mean a lot of things. But i think its fair to assume having sudo privilegde is implied |
| 14:38.15 | nsadmin | mashed, right, maybe using the gnome "make me an admin" button has consequences for gnome rather than the underlying system |
| 14:38.19 | themill | MestreLion: did that gui ever actually tell you that it was setting the system up for "sudo" access? |
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| 14:38.39 | MestreLion | Andy1978: what this GUI does is exactly to add or remove user from certain groups... |
| 14:39.13 | themill | MestreLion: can you pastebin the output of "id"? |
| 14:39.23 | Andy1978 | MestreLion: not only, you complain because of "not adding a user to sudoers" but is this really inteded by the GUI? |
| 14:39.25 | eghie | does anyone know how I can route packages without using NAT? I have currently a NAT routing setup via iptables and that one works OK. But if I remove the MASQUERADE rule, the routing stops working. |
| 14:39.29 | eghie | the config: http://pastie.org/pastes/3296015/text |
| 14:39.47 | mashed | bottom line is your complaining about a gui not administering your terminal. to me thats fine. if it was the other way around i would be furious |
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| 14:40.18 | mashed | eghie: ill have a read - what are you trying to accomplish in more detail please |
| 14:40.20 | babilen | MestreLion: I totally agree that this is (at least) a usability bug and with your other points. But I, for one, still have no idea what "admin rights" actually means. Unless we unequivocally clarify that we are unable to decide if this is indeed a bug. Please also note themill's question earlier: "14:36:31 <themill> did you log out and log back in after making that change?" |
| 14:40.20 | nsadmin | eghie, you have enough public IPs to assign to the machines inside the router's purview/ |
| 14:40.34 | tremon | eghie: /proc/sys/net/ipv4/conf/all/forwarding |
| 14:40.51 | maxorator | how can I execute a command from a website under the current user? can I somehow redirect wget output so that is executed instantly? |
| 14:40.52 | MestreLion | babilen: Andy1978 yes, i did log out and in again |
| 14:40.56 | eghie | tremon, gives also 1 |
| 14:41.12 | babilen | MestreLion: Ok, just checking -- Please paste the output of "id" :) |
| 14:41.13 | hyppias | I installed D6 on a USB drive on one maqchine and want to run it on another with different disk/USB config (sde=sdb, eg.) How and where do I configure that on the USB stick system? |
| 14:41.15 | eghie | nsadmin: that are 2 internal LAN networks |
| 14:41.24 | tremon | eghie: then your box is already a router (unless it's disabled for specific interfaces) |
| 14:41.26 | nsadmin | MestreLion, ok, fire up a shell and type groups |
| 14:41.45 | MestreLion | Andy1978: about gnome's intentions: that GUI can be configured by the distro to choose whatever groups it finds relevant. |
| 14:41.50 | nsadmin | eghie, and the machines on these lans are to use IPs from outside the lans? |
| 14:42.01 | tremon | eghie: is your iptables FORWARD table set to allow? |
| 14:42.01 | eghie | tremon: but it seems to block the traffic when I remove the MASQUERADE rule from iptables |
| 14:42.22 | nsadmin | you have to totally redesign the iptables ruleset |
| 14:42.26 | eghie | tremon: yes, see: http://pastie.org/pastes/3296015/text |
| 14:42.33 | MestreLion | so if sudo is a relevant group in Debian, that GUI should be customized to include sudo group when the user selects the "Administration" role |
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| 14:42.45 | nsadmin | it's not just remove a rule and expect things to work way differently |
| 14:42.51 | eghie | nsadmin: the 172.16.15.0/24 should communicatie with 192.168.0.0/24 |
| 14:42.55 | themill | MestreLion: what is the output of "id" now? |
| 14:43.14 | MestreLion | themill: ill switch VMs and paste that, wait a sec |
| 14:43.29 | eghie | nsadmin: no, I know, but the logic in me seems to think, after removing the MASQUERADE rule, it should work |
| 14:43.37 | nsadmin | hmm. and one router handles both? |
| 14:44.10 | mashed | eghie: masquerade is essential for NAT to work |
| 14:44.14 | Andy1978 | MestreLion: so, I've searched for you. The program is users-admin and it's part of gnome-system-tools (2.30.2-2 on squueze) |
| 14:44.21 | nsadmin | eghie, do you wish to be able to write iptables rulesets? |
| 14:44.39 | eghie | mashed: but I want the routing to be without NAT, because the NAT is blocking some printer software |
| 14:45.01 | MestreLion | as for the ones that asked what is this GUI supposed to do, here is a little research about it I did myself a few months ago: askubuntu.com/questions/45647 |
| 14:45.02 | eghie | nsadmin: yeah, that would be nice |
| 14:45.11 | mashed | oh thats easy then |
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| 14:45.21 | mashed | just add -A FORWARD -i eth0 -j ACCEPT |
| 14:45.30 | MestreLion | Andy1978: I already knew that |
| 14:45.32 | mashed | although this will invalidate all your other rules |
| 14:45.48 | eghie | mashed: a man, did I overlook that? |
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| 14:46.30 | MestreLion | Andy1978: its located in System MEnu -> Administration -> Users and Groups of a fresh install of Debian 6.04 |
| 14:46.34 | nsadmin | eghie, ok, would you like something to read on that subject? |
| 14:46.34 | eghie | mashed: I am going to try, but that one will not invalidate MAQUERADE, right? |
| 14:46.44 | mashed | take masqueade out too |
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| 14:46.50 | eghie | nsadmin, if you have good resources on that, yes |
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| 14:47.02 | MestreLion | themill: rodrigo@vb-debian604:~$ id |
| 14:47.02 | MestreLion | uid=1000(rodrigo) gid=1000(rodrigo) groups=1000(rodrigo),4(adm),20(dialout),21(fax),24(cdrom),25(floppy),26(tape),29(audio),30(dip),44(video),46(plugdev),108(netdev),109(bluetooth),110(lpadmin),112(fuse),115(scanner) |
| 14:47.13 | tremon | eghie: traffic from where to where are you testing? If you remove the SNAT, can you still ping between the two subnets? |
| 14:47.27 | no_gravity | No one answered half an hour ago, so I try again: Im in a hotel right now, trying to conntect to the wifi. Yesterday it worked. Today it just stops without connecting and without any error. Is there a log of the connection attempt somwhere, where I can see whats wrong? Im using the gnome network manager applet. |
| 14:47.48 | babilen | spots adm and lpadmin in there. Sensible choice IMHO. |
| 14:48.01 | eghie | tremon: no, it's blocking, but I think it's because it was not accepting FORWARDs from eth0 |
| 14:48.13 | rawtaz | why doesnt debian come with the security apt source active by default? |
| 14:48.16 | nsadmin | there's this guy, I think his name is Rusty Russel, and he wrote what he calls "Rusty's Remarkably Unreliable Guides" |
| 14:48.25 | nsadmin | you can google to find them |
| 14:48.43 | tremon | eghie: your default policy is ACCEPT, so that shouldn't matter. How about checking the routing table on the other devices in 172.16.15? |
| 14:48.45 | MestreLion | nsadmin: yes, i do have sudo installed |
| 14:49.03 | MestreLion | it ships out of the box in a fresh install |
| 14:49.11 | MestreLion | i installed Debian with default options |
| 14:49.17 | themill | MestreLion: sort of... |
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| 14:49.34 | eghie | nsadmin: thanks, i've got the page from netfilter.org |
| 14:49.44 | nsadmin | http://people.netfilter.org/~rusty/unreliable-guides/ |
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| 14:49.53 | nsadmin | (first hit :) |
| 14:49.59 | eghie | indeed |
| 14:50.16 | MestreLion | jhutchins_lt: i totally agree with you that proper sysadmin must be done via terminal. But, if Debian provides by default a certain GUI (and that GUI is there if one uses default install settings), then that GUI should work as intended |
| 14:50.41 | nsadmin | and while I understand you understand the basics, read networking concepts anyway, to get the names it will later use |
| 14:50.52 | tremon | MestreLion: debian doesn't "provide" it, it's just a default component of the gnome desktop. And gnome uses policykit, not sudo |
| 14:51.30 | babilen | MestreLion: I guess that the tool added you to some admin related groups (adm, dip, fuse, netdev, plugdev, lpadmin, ... (modulo those you configured manually or are enabled by default)) -- That stands in contrast to your assumption that it would add you to the "sudo" group as well, but *might* be a sensible approach. |
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| 14:51.39 | themill | MestreLion: I can't find this actual configuration option in Users and Groups |
| 14:51.44 | eghie | nsadmin: good one to combine when I will learn for myself about IPv6, because that one I need to pick up as well |
| 14:52.03 | MestreLion | themill: which configuration option? |
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| 14:52.32 | babilen | MestreLion: I also guess that it changes some policykit option, but I have, quite frankly, no idea about policykit (filed as black-magic in my head) ;) |
| 14:52.35 | MestreLion | babilen: yes, babilen, thats what this tool do: add the user to certain "key" groups... |
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| 14:52.42 | themill | MestreLion: don't worry.. found it... just kept installing damned packages... |
| 14:52.42 | mashed | IPv6 is an odd one. I don't fully understand it myself yet |
| 14:52.44 | Andy1978 | themill: do you have gnome-system-tools 2.30.2-2? |
| 14:52.51 | MestreLion | but *which* groups are "key" is distro-dependent |
| 14:52.58 | nsadmin | yeah, after you get the basics on netfilter, you can start experimenting with rule sets |
| 14:53.27 | MestreLion | so each distro should customize that tool to include (or delete) the groups it find relevant |
| 14:53.29 | mashed | im not sure what will happen when ISP's start rolling it out to the end users how it will be firewalled. |
| 14:53.35 | no_gravity | Nobody? When trying to conntect to a wifi spot and it fails - is there any way to see what went wrong? |
| 14:53.40 | babilen | MestreLion: Exactly -- Quite confusing and (IMHO) not a good way to perform system administration as its behaviour is not clearly defined. |
| 14:54.02 | nsadmin | MestreLion, yes. and, perhaps gnome makes a coupla mistakes here and there about which groups... it seems to have added you to a LOT of groups |
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| 14:54.22 | eghie | mashed: maybe default policy on routers will be incoming reject and providers will leave anything open? |
| 14:54.39 | babilen | nsadmin: Well, some of them might be default groups (see "/msg dpkg desktop groups" and /etc/adduser.conf) |
| 14:54.42 | MestreLion | nsadmin: thats not gnome's fault... its up for the distro to customize this tool to ship with groups that are relevant for that particular distro |
| 14:54.42 | eghie | I mean home routers |
| 14:54.47 | nsadmin | MestreLion, having said all that, remember that gnome is very configurable, and maybe you can add or remove groups that button adds you to |
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| 14:55.22 | jhutchins_lt | MestreLion: Why is it the distribution's responsibility to configure the security on your system? Isn't that YOUR responsibility? |
| 14:55.23 | sKeiths | can i display my ip if i dont have super user priviliges? squeeze |
| 14:55.25 | nsadmin | MestreLion, so, maybe YOU can customize that |
| 14:55.25 | tremon | "remember that gnome is very configurable" -- now there's a statement worthy of #debian-offtopic |
| 14:55.28 | MestreLion | nsadmin: i can add groups, and i can add myself to a group... but i can NOT, as a user, change which groups are considered "Administration" role |
| 14:55.42 | nsadmin | maybe you can |
| 14:55.49 | MestreLion | no nsadmin , its not configurable by the user |
| 14:55.50 | jhutchins_lt | MestreLion: Of course you can. |
| 14:55.51 | nsadmin | that's what I'm telling you |
| 14:55.56 | babilen | MestreLion: (assuming this tool is actually group-based) |
| 14:55.59 | jhutchins_lt | MestreLion: Again, http://tldp.org/LDP/sag/html/index.html |
| 14:56.08 | MestreLion | jhutchins_lt: you can't... only changing the source code and re-compiling it |
| 14:56.11 | tremon | sKeiths: ip address show (maybe it' |
| 14:56.20 | tremon | *s in /sbin) |
| 14:56.27 | nsadmin | you think it's -HARDWIRED-?? |
| 14:56.27 | Dagger2 | mashed: IPv6 it could be done with a stateful firewall that denies incoming connections. that's basically the same policy NAT ends up using |
| 14:56.33 | sKeiths | tremon .. perfect, ty |
| 14:56.44 | MestreLion | the tool IS group based, but you cn't configure WHICH groups it assigns to the "Administrator" role |
| 14:56.59 | nsadmin | and you know this by? |
| 14:57.03 | MestreLion | the ones shipped in debian are just stock Gnome groups... |
| 14:57.06 | jhutchins_lt | MestreLion: You are making a large series of mistaken assumptions. Please learn something about how it works before you tell people it's broken. It's not. |
| 14:57.12 | MestreLion | which are irrelevant to Debian |
| 14:57.24 | babilen | MestreLion: I would recommend: Forget about that tool and use well-defined tools (adduser, addgroup, ..) -- Also read /usr/share/doc/base-passwd/users-and-groups.txt.gz -- I will check later if this (bug?) is a problem in gnome 3.2 as well and bring it up with upstream. |
| 14:57.36 | nsadmin | MestreLion, THANK YOU... so now, you see why sudo group is not included |
| 14:57.58 | MestreLion | jhutchins_lt: sighs... im not saying its *broken*, im saying its *misleading*... the tool itself works fine, its a usability bug |
| 14:57.58 | babilen | MestreLion: The main problem is that the behaviour is *not* well defined and that we are making all sorts of possibly wrong assumptions. |
| 14:58.17 | ronny | hi |
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| 14:58.45 | nsadmin | yes we are |
| 14:59.04 | MestreLion | nsadmin: i know WHY it was not included... Gnome has no means to know which groups will be relevant for all distros |
| 14:59.30 | MestreLion | some distros use "admin" group for sudo (like Ubuntu), some use "sudo", like Debian, and some use "wheel", like Fedora |
| 14:59.36 | jhutchins_lt | Setting up a multi-user environment where more than one user may have varying degrees of "administrative" privilage is a complex task, and should NOT be pre-configured according to some arbitrary model chosen by the distributors. |
| 14:59.36 | ronny | im currently in the middle of exchanging the harddisk in my laptop, im now booted from old disk via usb and want to make the new disk bootable, (it already has a system) - whats the best way to do that without messing up my current boot disk |
| 14:59.46 | themill | [Administrator] Groups=cdrom,floppy,dialout,tape,dip,adm,plugdev,fax,audio,scanner,fuse,admin,sambashare,lpadmin,video |
| 14:59.49 | babilen | jhutchins_lt++ |
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| 14:59.56 | babilen | hugs themill |
| 15:00.12 | MestreLion | Gnome ships with a stock set of groups... which distros are supposed to customize to their own relevant groups |
| 15:00.12 | nsadmin | themill, what file is that? |
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| 15:00.23 | themill | src/users/user-profiles.conf.in |
| 15:00.28 | jhutchins_lt | ronny: Probably use grub-install to write the MBR. |
| 15:00.40 | nsadmin | MestreLion, you're not listening... start opening your mind |
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| 15:00.57 | MestreLion | nsadmin: ive pasted an URL that describes details about how this tool works |
| 15:00.58 | MestreLion | askubuntu.com/questions/45647 |
| 15:01.09 | themill | nsadmin: MestreLion is right -- for what this tool is supposed to do in debian, it probably should try adding the user to the sudo group |
| 15:01.14 | jhutchins_lt | MestreLion: You should also read up on LSB and standardization of Linux across distributions. |
| 15:01.17 | MestreLion | but i gues you only listen when themill says exactly the same thing |
| 15:01.26 | babilen | MestreLion: We have now determined that the tool works as it should, just that your expectations were wrong. |
| 15:01.51 | MestreLion | true, babilen ... but are my expectations a sensible one? |
| 15:02.04 | nsadmin | themill, there should be a dpkg callback for that |
| 15:02.10 | babilen | I would argue that this is actually a bug as a user quite rightly expects to be added to the "sudo" group as well. |
| 15:02.16 | babilen | MestreLion: Yes |
| 15:02.23 | MestreLion | jhutchins_lt: LSB says nothing about standard sudo group.. thats up for each distro, theres no standard |
| 15:02.45 | MestreLion | thats my point babilen , thank you |
| 15:02.46 | babilen | MestreLion: yes, hence it should be patched in Debian |
| 15:02.54 | jhutchins_lt | MestreLion: I disagree, your expectations are unreasonable. It is up to the person configuring the system. |
| 15:02.54 | MestreLion | exactly |
| 15:02.55 | themill | MestreLion: for what the tool says that it should do, probably. It's hard to say since the sudo group is sufficiently non-standard that half of the regulars around here keep pretending they've never heard of it even though they have for the last 12 months |
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| 15:03.07 | themill | jhutchins_lt: you can stop "helping" now. |
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| 15:03.24 | babilen | MestreLion: I'll stick with my recommendation earlier: use tools with well-defined behaviour - I'll check if this is a problem with gnome 3.* later. |
| 15:03.37 | jhutchins_lt | babilen: Why would making someone an administrator add them to the sudo group when Debian does not use sudo for administration? That doesn't make any sense. |
| 15:03.48 | nsadmin | themill, where if for example sudo is installed, it should add sudo group to something, that gnome and every other tool that adds admin righrs should also add users to that group |
| 15:03.54 | jhutchins_lt | Unless we have some sort of obligation to become Ubuntu... |
| 15:04.00 | ronny | jhutchins_lt: im not too sure how to propperly set up grub2 on the system |
| 15:04.01 | themill | jhutchins_lt: debian *can* use the sudo group for administration and would if you had installed the sudo package. |
| 15:04.09 | nsadmin | having said that, I wonder if it's such a great idea |
| 15:04.23 | ronny | (since im bootet with the other one, and the last time i tried anyting, it started all kinds of services) |
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| 15:04.42 | MestreLion | you dont jhutchins_lt , Debian could simply patch gnome to exclude this tool... its better than leaving it as it is |
| 15:04.46 | themill | nsadmin: "this tool is targeted at the desktop user" (not the corporate desktop user, the mum and dad desktop user) |
| 15:04.55 | babilen | jhutchins_lt: It should, by any means possible, allow the user to acquire superuser privileges. A sensible approach would be to try to install sudo (packagekit)/ask the user to do it and add the user to the sudo group. |
| 15:05.01 | themill | nsadmin: so while it's not a great default for a lot of things, it's fine for that |
| 15:05.13 | nsadmin | right |
| 15:05.32 | themill | MestreLion, babilen: this isn't in the BTS anywhere; it won't change for squeeze but if it's still the same for wheezy it would be nice to suggest changing this |
| 15:05.41 | jhutchins_lt | babilen: I believe that since squeeze sudo is installed but not configured by default. |
| 15:05.53 | themill | jhutchins_lt: depends what you mean by default |
| 15:05.59 | jhutchins_lt | babilen: True. |
| 15:06.11 | babilen | themill: I'll see how "Users & Groups" behave in gnome 3.* later |
| 15:06.20 | themill | MestreLion: actually, part of the reason this will not be in squeeze is that the sudo group was added in quite late in the squeeze release cycle. Perhaps after the freeze, in fact. |
| 15:06.23 | MestreLion | jhutchins_lt: in a fresh install of 6.04, sudo is installed and it seems to be properly configured out of the box |
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| 15:06.54 | themill | MestreLion: it's only installed if you install gnome; talking about a "default install" is problematic |
| 15:07.04 | nsadmin | MestreLion, I want to point out to you that your assertion that gnome cannot be configured as to what groups it adds you to when hitting the button cannot be configured... themill has pointed out that in fact gnome CAN be configured that way, and he's cited the file and showed the line in the file that does that |
| 15:07.24 | MestreLion | but gnome is installed by default using the default install options in the netinstall |
| 15:07.35 | nsadmin | no |
| 15:07.47 | nsadmin | not even x server is installed by default |
| 15:07.58 | babilen | nsadmin: That was plain source code -- If it is configurable at run-time is a different question. Doesn't change the fact that (reasonable!) assumptions are violated by the current implementation. |
| 15:07.59 | MestreLion | nsadmin: thats not a user-changable file... its part of the source code... |
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| 15:08.07 | jhutchins_lt | ronny: Let me see if I can find a brief instruction on recovering grub... |
| 15:08.10 | themill | nsadmin: umm.. that wasn't from a config file. |
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| 15:08.32 | nsadmin | so you would have to rebuild something? |
| 15:08.41 | MestreLion | nsadmin: you can change it, sure... after all, its GPL... but you must recompile from source if you want the change that set of gorups |
| 15:08.44 | nsadmin | and it -is- hardwired? |
| 15:08.49 | MestreLion | groups are hardwired in code |
| 15:08.52 | MestreLion | YES |
| 15:08.57 | babilen | considers this problem solved as far as our discussion is concerned. |
| 15:08.59 | themill | actually... /etc/gnome-system-tools/user-profiles.conf exists too |
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| 15:09.11 | jhutchins_lt | !fixgrub |
| 15:09.12 | dpkg | To reinstall <GRUB> simply boot to your Debian install disk, live CD or whatever else you have, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc), then chroot into it (chroot /target) and run "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". Also ask me about <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>. |
| 15:09.14 | Bartzy | How do I search the description of packages with aptitude ? |
| 15:09.18 | jhutchins_lt | ronny: ^ |
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| 15:09.35 | babilen | Bartzy: "aptitude search ~dFOO" -- /msg dpkg aptitude search |
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| 15:09.38 | jhutchins_lt | Bartzy: ~d<searchterm> |
| 15:09.39 | MestreLion | babilen: in your opinion, what would be the solution? |
| 15:09.54 | ronny | jhutchins_lt: ok, seems reasonable |
| 15:10.08 | themill | MestreLion: make sure it's fixed in wheezy; edit /etc/gnome-system-tools/user-profiles.conf if you're running squeeze and what something different. |
| 15:10.14 | babilen | MestreLion: You use better tools for now until we fix this bug in wheezy (next release, if the bug is still present there) |
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| 15:10.46 | MestreLion | babilen: but you think that this tool should be patched by debian to include the sudo group ? |
| 15:10.59 | babilen | MestreLion: yes, didn't we conclude that some time ago? |
| 15:11.01 | iateadonut | why does debian work so well? you try to compile something, and it just compiles without errors. |
| 15:11.03 | themill | MestreLion: probably -- but this is for the maintainers to decide. |
| 15:11.31 | Bartzy | thanks |
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| 15:11.43 | MestreLion | babilen: well, that was MY opinion... but mostly everyone here shouted at me saying that i was wrong and proper admin should be done at terminal only and that my talking about aan "obscure" gui was nonsense |
| 15:11.48 | babilen | MestreLion: Or rather: The bug should be fixed -- Not sure what the best approach is as I am neither the maintainer of gnome in Debian nor upstream. |
| 15:11.49 | themill | MestreLion: given that the list of groups is entirely configurable by the local admin, this isn't a huge killer. |
| 15:12.36 | MestreLion | themill: is it configurable now? about some months ago, they were hardcoded |
| 15:12.37 | themill | MestreLion: if the maintainers have other reasons for not wanting to include "sudo" in that group list, then they could alternatively make the text a bit clearer; however, that is problematic for translations. |
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| 15:12.48 | themill | MestreLion: [15:10] <themill> MestreLion: make sure it's fixed in wheezy; edit /etc/gnome-system-tools/user-profiles.conf if you're running squeeze and what something different. |
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| 15:13.35 | MestreLion | ok.. thank you guys for having the patience to undestand my point |
| 15:13.51 | nsadmin | took us long enough :P |
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| 15:14.02 | babilen | MestreLion: You are welcome -- Have a nice day! :) |
| 15:14.07 | MestreLion | my english is pretty poor, maybe thats the reason :P |
| 15:14.28 | nsadmin | nono, you're perfectly understandable |
| 15:14.29 | babilen | MestreLion: Our knowledge of Gnome's GUI admin tools is pretty poor as well (IMHO) |
| 15:14.39 | babilen | MestreLion: But your English is absolutely fine |
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| 15:15.05 | themill | .o0( There was a lot more "Get off my lawn" than useful help in there for a lot of the time) |
| 15:15.28 | babilen | yeah, unfortunately |
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| 15:15.46 | babilen | formally apologises and hands MestreLion a tasty biscuit |
| 15:15.51 | MestreLion | Ok, is there anything I can/should do about it? i mean, not fixing it for myself (i can simply use terminal and skip this tool by now), but to make the gui include the sudo for everyone? |
| 15:16.01 | nsadmin | I was shocked to find something like that hardwired |
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| 15:16.38 | nsadmin | one problem is sudo is not installed on every system |
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| 15:16.54 | MestreLion | nsadmin: themill said that now it is configurable... it wasnt a few months ago when i last checked the source code |
| 15:17.06 | nsadmin | what sudo should do when installed, is fire a trigger that says "add admins to sudo group" |
| 15:17.27 | MestreLion | nsadmin: it do come installed if you use default install options, both gnome and sudo (using netinstall iso) |
| 15:18.01 | nsadmin | MestreLion, it comes installed on ubuntu, not debian |
| 15:18.05 | MestreLion | nsadmin: but is there a formal definition of "admins" in Debian? |
| 15:18.15 | MestreLion | nsadmin: Debian, 6.04 |
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| 15:18.31 | MestreLion | I just installed Debian for the 1st time today... |
| 15:18.38 | nsadmin | so you must have run aptitude install sudo |
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| 15:18.43 | MestreLion | no |
| 15:18.57 | MestreLion | downloaded the ISO, fired up a VM, and used default install options |
| 15:19.25 | MestreLion | i didnt even change keyboard layout or time zone |
| 15:19.42 | ronny | hmm |
| 15:19.47 | nsadmin | ok, if that's the case someone made a decision which negated the non-sudo install that debian had |
| 15:19.49 | MestreLion | as someone here suggested, "installing debian is easy, just press ENTER a lot of times and youre done" |
| 15:19.53 | ronny | how do i get a initial grub config for debian |
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| 15:20.11 | nsadmin | update-grub |
| 15:20.20 | cbmuser | is there any Debian utility that can fetch Debian sources and extract them by specifying a .dsc URL |
| 15:20.24 | cbmuser | ? |
| 15:20.26 | cbmuser | similar to what sbuild does |
| 15:20.29 | cbmuser | but without sbuild |
| 15:20.46 | engla | cbmuser: dget |
| 15:20.52 | cbmuser | yeah |
| 15:21.01 | cbmuser | just stumbled across it myself :) |
| 15:21.20 | nsadmin | or apt-get source <package> |
| 15:21.28 | MestreLion | cbmuser: dpkg-source -x FILE.dsc |
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| 15:22.41 | cbmuser | MestreLion: but this one doesn't take dsc from URLs, right? |
| 15:22.47 | MestreLion | oh, an URL? Well, i use apt-get source for packges in my repos, OR dget [--build] URL |
| 15:23.03 | MestreLion | dget URL does that... |
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| 15:23.34 | MestreLion | given a .dsc URL, it feches the dsc, .orig.tar.gz and .diff.gz files to current dir |
| 15:23.39 | MestreLion | extract them and apply the patches |
| 15:23.57 | nsadmin | cbmuser, how can you determine the .dsc filename if you don't have data on the package? |
| 15:24.07 | gnat_x | is it a completely bad idea to extend my home partition with lvm while running? should i only be using a single root tty to do this? |
| 15:24.32 | nsadmin | or, stated backwards, what data in the .dsc filename is useful for you to specify? |
| 15:24.33 | gnat_x | or are extends safe enough to be done on a mounted partition? |
| 15:24.54 | martianlobster | If I am looking for a token in a bunch of c++ files, I use this command: find -type f -print | egrep "*cpp$" | xargs egrep token. That works fine, except when there is white space in the name of a directory or c++ file. Does anyone know how I could fix the command to work with whitespace? |
| 15:24.56 | CissWit | gnat_x: depends of your filesystem. I often do it with ext3 without problem. |
| 15:25.12 | gnat_x | CissWit: its ext3. |
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| 15:25.16 | MestreLion | nsadmin: he prolly wants to download a source package that isnt available in his sources.list repos... thus are inaccesible via apt-get source |
| 15:25.51 | gnat_x | CissWit: always makes me a bit nervous... but everything i've seen points to it only be a problem when sizing downward. |
| 15:25.51 | nsadmin | gnat_x, I'm about to do that right now |
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| 15:26.14 | MestreLion | ive done this myself a dozen times... when using maverick ubuntu, sometimes i downloaded NAttys or Oneirics source packages this way, to study the updates |
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| 15:26.32 | marijan | http://www.2shared.com/file/zeC04s1T/cs2d_0119_win_and_Aimbot.html |
| 15:26.35 | CissWit | gnat_x: you should have good backups if data are importants, and if their not, you shouldn't worry. |
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| 15:26.42 | nsadmin | if you shrink, do the filesystem first, then the volume... if you grow, grow the volume then the filesystem |
| 15:26.51 | CissWit | *they're |
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| 15:26.54 | cbmuser | nsadmin: I needed dget for this example: http://dev.carbon-project.org/debian/wine-unstable/ |
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| 15:27.02 | gnat_x | right, not shrinking. |
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| 15:28.24 | MestreLion | nsadmin, babilen, themill :about that "users and groups" gui patch/config, am i supposed to do something, or will you guys take care to move this idea forward? |
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| 15:28.54 | MestreLion | im not sure what the proper channels in Debian are to make that kind of suggestions |
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| 15:29.21 | nsadmin | MestreLion, one thing you can do is file a bug against the particular package the user/groups thing is in |
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| 15:29.25 | alex- | Is it possible to install over putty? |
| 15:29.33 | ratatata | nu |
| 15:29.46 | babilen | !tell alex- about ssh install |
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| 15:29.56 | MestreLion | nsadmin: ok, i can do that. anything else? |
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| 15:30.17 | babilen | MestreLion: I'll take a look later (it won't be fixed in squeeze and I want to verify that this is a problem in the current development release as well) |
| 15:30.26 | babilen | !tell MestreLion -about reportbug |
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| 15:30.53 | babilen | MestreLion: You would typically use reportbug to report bugs to Debian. |
| 15:31.08 | MestreLion | wow, theres a package for bug reporting? Sweet! :D |
| 15:31.28 | babilen | heh :) |
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| 15:31.43 | alex- | babilen: thx |
| 15:32.01 | babilen | alex-: Have fun |
| 15:32.24 | eghie | mashed: I changed the iptables rules to: http://pastie.org/pastes/3296315/text but I still can't ping from one side to the other |
| 15:32.28 | alex- | babilen: do tyou have any experience with it? |
| 15:32.50 | MestreLion | ok, first ill submit the bash patch i made in the morning... then ill fill the bug report about this one, and paste you the BTS # |
| 15:33.00 | babilen | alex-: Only in the sense that I start the installation manually and on-site and continue from home. |
| 15:33.04 | Agiofws | hi |
| 15:33.15 | CissWit | martianlobster: find -type f -name \*.cpp -print0 | xargs -0 egrep token |
| 15:33.26 | CissWit | martianlobster: it's in the examples of the xargs man. |
| 15:33.26 | Agiofws | whats is the debian way to load avahi daemon before the cups daemon ? |
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| 15:33.37 | martianlobster | CissWit: thanks! |
| 15:33.38 | alex- | babilen: Putty is another session, right? |
| 15:34.09 | MestreLion | oh, nsadmin , i think you were here earlier when i mentioned bash's behavior on --rcfile and /etc/bash.bashrc, right? |
| 15:34.23 | babilen | alex-: I don't quite understand that question |
| 15:34.45 | alex- | When I connect with ssh to my system |
| 15:34.52 | alex- | I see other folders and programs than my other session with ssh |
| 15:34.56 | alex- | How is this when installing? |
| 15:35.55 | MestreLion | nsadmin: just a feedback on that issue: i was able to do a patch, and it compiled in my version (4.1.3). right now im downloading git to test the behavior agains current development code |
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| 15:36.14 | babilen | alex-: Did you read http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch06s03#network-console already? |
| 15:36.29 | Agiofws | does K00avahi-daemon -> ../init.d/avahi-daemon mean thats avahi daemon is stopped ? in run level 2 ? |
| 15:36.32 | Agiofws | and loaded in runlevel 1 ? |
| 15:36.39 | CissWit | martianlobster: btw, you can do it just with "egrep -r --include \*.cpp token ." |
| 15:36.41 | alex- | babilen: yes |
| 15:36.43 | babilen | alex-: "After the login you will be presented with an initial screen where you have two possibilities called Start menu and Start shell. The former brings you to the main ..." |
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| 15:37.16 | martianlobster | CissWit: thanks again! |
| 15:37.19 | Agiofws | K stands for kill ? |
| 15:37.28 | eghie | I want to route 172.16.15.0/24 from eth0 <----> 192.168.0.0/24 from eth1. But this WITHOUT NAT. NAT I do get working, but this plain routing I get not. I changed the iptables to in my opinion bare minimum which should work, but does not. Anyone tips: http://pastie.org/pastes/3296315/text |
| 15:37.57 | Sm0ke0ut | you've to use NAT |
| 15:38.19 | eghie | why can't I use pure package forwarding? |
| 15:39.07 | Bartzy | What's the difference between am-utils and autofs ? |
| 15:39.21 | eghie | NAT gives me problems with some printing software |
| 15:39.23 | Agiofws | K00avahi-daemon -> ../init.d/avahi-daemon ? |
| 15:39.27 | eghie | so i want to disable NAT |
| 15:39.31 | Agiofws | does that mean avahi is killed ? |
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| 15:43.53 | Dagger2 | no, you don't have to use NAT between 172.16.15.0/24 and 192.168.0.0/24, provided both sides can reach the other via routing |
| 15:44.14 | ChrisH | eghie have you enabled ip-forwarding? cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
| 15:44.28 | eghie | yes, see the pastie link I posted with it |
| 15:44.30 | tremon | eghie: I already asked you to verify the routing tables on the clients |
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| 15:45.05 | eghie | tremon: Ah, I didn't understand your question, but now i do |
| 15:45.19 | Dagger2 | (also, I suggest `ip r s` to show routes -- I find the output clearer than route's) |
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| 15:45.53 | eghie | Dagger2: yeah, IP is going to replace the route utility, right? |
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| 15:46.32 | Dagger2 | eghie: yeah, ifconfig/route are rather deprecated now |
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| 15:46.38 | Psych | hi all |
| 15:46.40 | skilz | Is there any file I can check about my RAM infomation? |
| 15:46.58 | Agiofws | http://imagebin.org/196733 |
| 15:46.59 | Dagger2 | eghie: I like the output of `ifconfig` for seeing an overview of interfaces, but `ip` is much nicer for making any changes |
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| 15:48.32 | eghie | tremon: on the (windows) client i have this in the routing table: route ADD 192.168.0.0 MASK 255.255.255.0 172.16.15.2 |
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| 15:49.02 | eghie | which directs the traffic to the linux machine, which should route the packages |
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| 15:49.34 | Dagger2 | eghie: I don't see anything wrong in the pastebin, but the routing tables on the clients need to be right. a host in 172.16.15.0/24 needs to send "packets to 192.168.0.0/16" to 172.16.15.2 and likewise for the other direction |
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| 15:49.51 | tremon | eghie: use tracert in windows, traceroute in linux to diagnose where it goes wrong |
| 15:50.08 | eghie | tremon: good one, didn't think of that one |
| 15:50.33 | karlpinc | ChrisH: (It's best to use /etc/sysctl.conf to enable forwarding, of course anything's good for a one-off.) |
| 15:50.38 | maxorator | is there a way to make putty send exactly the bytes that are pasted into it instead of removing/replacing characters on paste? |
| 15:51.00 | eghie | tremon: well the first hop from the client, is the linux machine, and pinging from the linux machine to the other target also works, but not from the client |
| 15:51.04 | maxorator | or somehow forward a local file to stdin? |
| 15:51.20 | karlpinc | maxorator: There's plink. |
| 15:51.24 | eghie | tremon: and the first hop, the linux machine, is pingable |
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| 15:51.44 | eghie | tremon: so client reaches the linux machine, but then blocks |
| 15:52.41 | tremon | eghie: and a traceroute from within the 192.168 subnet? |
| 15:52.42 | Dagger2 | eghie: (I note you're using different netmasks on the linux vs windows machines. I'm not sure it's causing this breakage, but it *is* wrong) |
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| 15:53.01 | Dagger2 | er, no, I note wrongly. ignore. |
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| 15:53.35 | tremon | Dagger2: no you didn't: <eghie> route ADD 192.168.0.0 MASK 255.255.255.0 172.16.15.2 |
| 15:53.38 | maxorator | karlpinc, I need the data to be sent in the same session as putty itself is, can I do that with plink? |
| 15:53.46 | karlpinc | eghie: There's also always tcpdump and wireshark to really see what's going in/out the interfaces. |
| 15:54.04 | karlpinc | maxorator: No. What is it that you're really trying to do? |
| 15:54.18 | tremon | good catch |
| 15:55.15 | eghie | karlpinc: trying tcpdump, maybe that will give me a clue |
| 15:55.44 | Dagger2 | tremon: the Windows machine is on 172.blah though, right? which is using 255.255.255.0, so that's ok |
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| 15:56.22 | maxorator | karlpinc, I'm trying to set an environment parameter that contains non-ascii characters |
| 15:56.55 | maxorator | I've tried all translation settings in putty, it still messes it up when I paste it |
| 15:57.37 | eghie | Dagger2: yeah, you're correct |
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| 15:58.08 | eghie | tcpdump gives me, ping of the windows machine on 172.16.15.51 reaches the linux machine, with the correct target, but the target is not responding |
| 15:58.25 | eghie | I don't have control over the 192.168.0.x network though, so cannot test from the other side |
| 15:58.51 | karlpinc | maxorator: Dunno. Something must be messing with or not aware of your encodings on one end or the other. To work-around, just write a script that sets the env parameter and then "source it". (source filename) It need not be executable when you source it. |
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| 15:59.22 | ChrisH | eghie, did you tcpdump on the 192.168.0.x side of the linux box? |
| 15:59.40 | tremon | eghie: then you're done. Get someone on the 192.168 side to debug the issue for you |
| 15:59.45 | eghie | ChrisH: this i ran: tcpdump -nS src 172.16.15.51 or src 192.168.0.40 |
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| 16:00.20 | ChrisH | In that situation I use tcpdump -i $NICNAME to select the interfaces |
| 16:00.50 | karlpinc | eghie: the 192.168.0.40 side must have a route to the 172. side. If nothing else the default gateway must have a route and issue icmp redirects. |
| 16:00.53 | eghie | tremon: but I cannot imagine that the problem is on that side, because the NAT is working and reaching the other side |
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| 16:01.26 | eghie | karlpinc: ah, not it's hitting home |
| 16:01.28 | eghie | now |
| 16:01.31 | maxorator | karlpinc, what do you mean by "source it"? |
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| 16:02.04 | skorzen | Do someone here is using any Ticketing System, like OTRS or OSTicket? |
| 16:02.07 | eghie | karlpinc: now I do understand why NAT works and this plain routing not, because of the routing table on the other side |
| 16:02.11 | karlpinc | maxorator: You type "source foo", where foo is a file containing a "myvar=somechars" line. |
| 16:02.30 | karlpinc | !tell skorzen about anyone |
| 16:02.37 | eghie | karlpinc: because indeed, the other side has no gateway set back |
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| 16:02.54 | karlpinc | skorzen: Some folks use requesttracker. |
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| 16:04.11 | DogWater | Does anyone know the correct way to do what is listed in example #1 on this page? http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/NetbootFirmware |
| 16:04.19 | DogWater | that obviously won't work |
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| 16:05.28 | hyppias | I installed D6 on a USB drive on one maqchine and want to run it on another with different disk/USB config (sde=sdb, eg.) How and where do I configure that on the USB stick system? |
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| 16:07.57 | karlpinc | hyppias: You use disk labels or uuids instead of device names. That's likely what's required. But the installer tunes the boot to the installed system (the initramfs, see also update-initramfs -u IIRC). To have a really portable usb stick you probably want something from the debian-live project. |
| 16:08.27 | karlpinc | !tell hyppias about debian-live |
| 16:08.49 | Agiofws | can anyone please take a look and tell me why my network printer is not printing ? http://codepad.org/GRaetV4f it works in windows i am using the lpr protocol that windows uses |
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| 16:09.17 | karlpinc | hyppias: A live image is like any other, you can install packages etc. (Whether the install "sticks" between reboots depends on whether the media is writable and so forth.) |
| 16:09.43 | Bartzy | Hey |
| 16:09.44 | Bartzy | What's the difference between am-utils and autofs ? |
| 16:10.29 | hyppias | karlpinc: ok |
| 16:10.35 | ChrisH | Bartzy, am-utils is the older concept. autofs is newer. |
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| 16:11.44 | eghie | to masher, karlpinc, tremon, ChrisH, Dagger2: all thanks for helping me out. I forgot the other side should have a gateway set also and that I missed. But now it's figured out. Thanks for your help. |
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| 16:12.17 | karlpinc | Agiofws: Don't have time to look. I'd use cups and http://localhost:631 to configure/test the printer. You may also need to install ppd files or some such. (perhaps "aptitude search ppd") |
| 16:12.45 | Agiofws | kareeem_bbl, i am configuring from that url |
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| 16:13.47 | skorzen | karlpinc, thanks. Let me take a look. |
| 16:13.51 | joeoshawa | for some reason when i click to open a dvd movie it opens the dvd instead of playing it how can i set it to play the dvd |
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| 16:15.37 | Bartzy | ChrisH: Why ? |
| 16:15.38 | jhutchins_lt | Agiofws: Looks like the printer rejected the request. You can search for your printer model here: http://www.linuxfoundation.org/collaborate/workgroups/openprinting and see what it requires. |
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| 16:16.02 | jhutchins_lt | Agiofws: It could have to do with how the printer itself is configured. |
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| 16:17.01 | Agiofws | jhutchins_lt, it works from a windows 7 host |
| 16:17.04 | Agiofws | on the lan |
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| 16:17.23 | ChrisH | Bartzy, because AMD is based on the BSD idea of automounting as a user process and AutoFS is Sun's solaris implementaion of automounting as a kernel job. |
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| 16:18.45 | ChrisH | Bartzy, this is not to say AMD is an OLD thing. The conpect is older. I never used AMD on Linux. On HPUX you allways had the choice between the two and both had pros and cons. On Solaris you dont have the option to select its only AutoFS. |
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| 16:19.09 | Agiofws | "/usr/lib/cups/backend/lpd faile"/usr/lib/cups/backend/lpd failed""/usr/lib/cups/backend/lpd failed"d" |
| 16:19.10 | Agiofws | grrrrrrrr |
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| 16:20.20 | jhutchins_lt | Agiofws: Doing a google search on your printer model + linux may reveal any idiosyncracies. |
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| 16:20.58 | Agiofws | been doing that |
| 16:21.02 | Agiofws | all afternoon |
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| 16:22.18 | jhutchins_lt | Agiofws: Have you checked the openprinting site? |
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| 16:22.59 | Agiofws | yes |
| 16:23.09 | jhutchins_lt | Have you checked the log on the printer? |
| 16:23.10 | Bartzy | ChrisH: So for sshfs what should I use ? Can I just put the sshfs mount line in /etc/fstab - or is it stupid because when I don't have internet access startup will be very slow ? |
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| 16:25.55 | ChrisH | Bartzy, I would net setup AutoFS/AMD for a single sshfs mount. Just add it into the fstab with noauto,user and mount it manually if needed |
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| 16:26.10 | bolt | I'm trying to use rdesktop on a very laggy phone connection. I therefore append -m to avoid sending mouse position updates. However, this results in the mouse not moving at all until I click. The remote mouse is stationary, and the local mouse is hidden. How can I show the local mouse while doing this? |
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| 16:27.53 | jhutchins_lt | bolt: Don't use -m |
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| 16:28.42 | squidly | I'm having issues with the security udpate for php5-common. |
| 16:29.31 | squidly | stuff like php5-gd is saying it requires = = 5.3.3-7+squeeze3 but I installed the = 5.3.3-7+squeeze6 update. That seems to be a pretty big bug.. especially sence the update is a security update |
| 16:29.50 | Bartzy | ChrisH: Why not autofs ? |
| 16:30.02 | Bartzy | ChrisH: Mount manually = mount -a ? Or how ? |
| 16:30.16 | themill | squidly: you should be upgrading php5-gd too; that's also part of the security update and apt will take care of this for you |
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| 16:31.19 | squidly | themill: apt-get update has broken on me :( |
| 16:31.44 | squidly | one sec |
| 16:31.51 | squidly | it could be borked |
| 16:32.30 | squidly | ahh ok our update scriped broked becuase of some setting |
| 16:32.33 | squidly | thanks.. wanted to make sure |
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| 16:35.01 | ChrisH | Bartzy I just checked the syntax, I am not sure if you would be able to fiddle it into AMD or AutoFS or even fstab. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSHFS shows a sample line. just add noauto,user as optin and mount it simply by typing mount /FS |
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| 16:44.49 | nand` | I need GHC 7.x, but squeeze's tree only goes up to 6.x. There is no backport available (or there is and I was unable to find it) |
| 16:44.58 | nand` | What should I do in my situation? Compile from source? |
| 16:46.23 | woshty | since /proc/scsi/scsi has been gone for a while, how do i easily look up all connected hdds? |
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| 16:46.50 | Bartzy | ChrisH: So maybe aliasing the sshfs command is best ? |
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| 16:47.14 | vahid | hi all |
| 16:47.18 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions ghc |
| 16:47.19 | judd | Package: ghc on i386 -- sid: 7.0.4-8; wheezy: 7.0.4-8; experimental: 7.4.0.20120126-1 |
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| 16:47.53 | jhutchins_lt | nand`: I think ghc is pretty deeply tied to the system, trying to upgrade to 7 would probably break things. |
| 16:47.59 | jhutchins_lt | nand`: Why do you need 7? |
| 16:48.05 | vahid | in my laptop (debian) why fan anytime run? |
| 16:48.36 | vahid | cpu temperature is between 40-52 |
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| 16:49.34 | vahid | install powertop laptop-mode-tools |
| 16:49.58 | vahid | cpufreqd |
| 16:50.28 | vahid | how resolve this problem? |
| 16:50.34 | jhutchins_lt | vahid: What percentage of CPU usage does top show? |
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| 16:50.52 | vahid | jhutchins_lt: 90-99 |
| 16:50.54 | jhutchins_lt | vahid: I think that's hot enough that the fan would be full speed. |
| 16:50.58 | jhutchins_lt | ... |
| 16:51.11 | vahid | jhutchins_lt: why cpu hot? |
| 16:51.16 | jhutchins_lt | vahid: What's using it? |
| 16:51.30 | vahid | jhutchins_lt: debian stable squeeze |
| 16:51.31 | jhutchins_lt | vahid: cpu is hot because it's running at 90-99% of capacity. |
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| 16:51.49 | vahid | jhutchins_lt: no 90-99 is idle |
| 16:51.50 | jhutchins_lt | vahid: No, look at the output of top and see what's using the CPU. |
| 16:52.15 | vahid | Cpu(s): 0.3%us, 0.3%sy, 0.0%ni, 99.2%id, 0.0%wa, 0.2%h |
| 16:52.33 | sgn | I´m having issues with an Intel RAID array. It consists of two 3TB drives in RAID0 making it 6TB (actually 5.5). For some reason parted is only able to map 1.6TBs of it... |
| 16:52.37 | nand` | jhutchins_lt: trying to compile the newest version of xmonad from scratch (there have been some changes I really want) |
| 16:52.37 | jhutchins_lt | In that case I'd consider disassembling and cleaning the cooling system. |
| 16:52.50 | vahid | jhutchins_lt: cpu core i5 |
| 16:52.58 | nand` | err |
| 16:53.00 | nand` | not xmonad, xmobar |
| 16:53.18 | vahid | jhutchins_lt: Cpu(s): 0.3%us, 0.3%sy, 0.0%ni, 99.2%id, 0.0%wa, 0.2%h |
| 16:53.30 | jhutchins_lt | hando: If it's not compatible with libc6 you're out of luck. |
| 16:53.40 | vahid | jhutchins_lt: i think is problem in kernel |
| 16:53.59 | jhutchins_lt | vahid: If the CPU is running hot but not loaded it could be a problem with the cooling system. They often get clogged with dust. |
| 16:54.01 | vahid | jhutchins_lt: my kernel is 2.6.32-5 |
| 16:54.19 | jhutchins_lt | vahid: You could try the kernel from backports, but it might not change anything. |
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| 16:54.56 | jhutchins_lt | vahid: There are issues with some drivers and the newer kernel as well. |
| 16:55.04 | nand` | would be nice if there was an xmobar backport |
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| 16:55.06 | vahid | jhutchins_lt: when temperature is high than 50 fan is working |
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| 16:55.24 | nand` | otherwise I'll have to spend an evening porting over the features I want manually |
| 16:55.32 | jhutchins_lt | vahid: Isn't that what it's supposed to do? |
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| 16:56.02 | vahid | :( |
| 16:56.39 | nand` | Is there any way to set up sound on Linux without using ALSA? Eg. in FreeBSD I can just stream to /dev/pcm, is there anything similar under Linux? |
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| 16:57.09 | Justin | nand`: alsa is the sound driver system. |
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| 16:57.26 | jhutchins_lt | vahid: Some systems allow you to configure fan behavior in the bios. |
| 16:57.38 | Justin | you are asking if you can use sound without the sound drivers... |
| 16:57.39 | sgn | I´m having issues with an Intel RAID array. It consists of two 3TB drives in RAID0 making it 6TB (actually 5.5). For some reason parted is only able to map 1.6TBs of it... |
| 16:57.42 | vahid | jhutchins_lt: oh tanks |
| 16:58.20 | vahid | jhutchins_lt: when run iceweasel hoting the cpu very fast |
| 16:58.20 | nand` | Justin: Better question: Can I permanently disable any sort of mixing or resampling in ALSA? |
| 16:58.33 | Justin | nand`: probably. why? |
| 16:58.35 | jordanm | sgn: while that sounds like a bad idea, you need to label the partition table "gpt" |
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| 16:58.49 | sgn | i did |
| 16:58.52 | jordanm | sgn: "mklabel gpt" in parted. all existing data will be lost |
| 16:58.55 | nand` | Justin: If my application tries to play a stream that is not supported directly by my receiver I want an error message |
| 16:59.01 | vahid | jhutchins_lt: Top causes for wakeups: 83.4% (153.9) <interrupt> : PS/2 keyboard/mouse/touchpad |
| 16:59.08 | jordanm | sgn: is this a fakeraid? |
| 16:59.21 | nand` | eg. the way WASAPI works on windows. It just errors out if I try to play something my DAC can't handle |
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| 17:00.30 | vahid | jhutchins_lt: this problem when apeare when update debian to 6.0.3 |
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| 17:02.08 | ChrisH | Bartzy, nothing to alias, just see http://pastebin.com/J8KMPmAT |
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| 17:02.39 | jhutchins_lt | Is mdn back yet? |
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| 17:04.15 | i_am_NOT_root | incidentalli, yesterday, I deleted all kernels on my system (I know, I know, I'm brilliant). How would you include a kernel using a live system? |
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| 17:04.39 | jhutchins_lt | i_am_NOT_root: aptitude install linux-image |
| 17:04.44 | themill | jhutchins_lt: http://www.isup.me/mozilla.debian.net |
| 17:04.48 | |DM| | hello |
| 17:05.00 | |DM| | how do I insert CR and LF into echo? |
| 17:05.06 | jhutchins_lt | themill: Thx, pulling down the newest icewasel now. |
| 17:05.14 | |DM| | because echo herp /r/n derp just gives me that exact line |
| 17:05.24 | sgn | jordanm: Its an intel raid, guessing so |
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| 17:05.51 | jhutchins_lt | Jdbye: Try quotes and the other slash. |
| 17:06.14 | ChrisH | |DM| tried /bin/echo -e "test \n\r" |
| 17:06.23 | i_am_NOT_root | jhutchims_lt: how can I apt-install somethin with system not bootable? |
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| 17:07.16 | jhutchins_lt | i_am_NOT_root: Ah, well, I thought you said it was running. Boot from a rescue disk or live CD, chroot. |
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| 17:07.52 | |DM| | ChrisH: same output |
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| 17:10.30 | jordanm | sgn: what kind of intel RAID card? |
| 17:10.34 | i_am_NOT_root | jhutchins_lt: yes, but how do I include the kernel and make it bootable? |
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| 17:11.04 | nvictor | hey all |
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| 17:11.18 | nvictor | is it ok to remove lines in .ssh/known_hosts? |
| 17:11.36 | sgn | jordan: ICH10 |
| 17:11.39 | nvictor | i need to remove previously stored keys |
| 17:12.07 | petemc | nvictor: yes |
| 17:12.17 | themill | nvictor: ssh-keygen -R can be handy; the hostnames are obfuscated by default |
| 17:13.01 | nvictor | themill ssh-keygen -R hostname? |
| 17:14.07 | themill | yes. perhaps also by IP address |
| 17:14.15 | Bartzy | ChrisH: What's that fusermount -u /tmp/a? umounting user fuse FS ? |
| 17:15.12 | nvictor | themill: weird it still shows 2 entries |
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| 17:15.29 | nvictor | can i just delete both authorized_keys and known_hosts? |
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| 17:16.29 | sgn | jordanm: Not a dedicated raid "card", its integrated into the MB. Guessing its bios/software raid |
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| 17:17.03 | krion | nvictor: authorized_keys store the keys that are allowed to connect |
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| 17:17.27 | nvictor | krion: well something is not working with that vm |
| 17:17.28 | |DM| | ChrisH: works now, found out what I was doing wrong |
| 17:17.33 | krion | nvictor: as known_hosts store the name/ip and fingerprint of the host you connected too |
| 17:17.57 | nvictor | krion: but if i remove them, they will be recreated right? |
| 17:18.00 | krion | nvictor: what's the error message you got |
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| 17:18.06 | nvictor | there no error |
| 17:18.09 | krion | nvictor: not the authorized_keys |
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| 17:18.28 | nvictor | agent forwarding is setup on the host machine |
| 17:18.58 | nvictor | but the guest machine is not using the host to connect |
| 17:19.16 | nvictor | i was wondering if it's because i already tried with agent forward off |
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| 17:19.26 | nvictor | and it's just reusing what was stored |
| 17:19.42 | nsadmin | nvictor, you mean known_hosts and authorized_keys? known_hosts will be created next time it says "I don't know this host" and you say "Ik, remember it" |
| 17:19.59 | nsadmin | authorized_keys doesn't get recreated, you would have to do that yourself |
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| 17:20.03 | bfig | hello, i'm having trouble to make a gparted live cd. is there a way to make sure my usb is set up right? |
| 17:20.22 | nsadmin | and in no case that I've seen does sshd back these files up and restore their content |
| 17:20.37 | krion | nvictor: hum if A -> B -> C , where is the agent forwarding activated ? |
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| 17:21.07 | nsadmin | bfig, what boots when you boot that cd? |
| 17:21.47 | bfig | nsadmin, actually it is a live usb, not a live cd |
| 17:22.00 | bfig | nothing boots, it just passes it like nothing was there |
| 17:22.08 | nsadmin | and, what boots when you boot it? :) |
| 17:22.20 | nsadmin | linux? gparted as kernel? |
| 17:22.25 | bfig | goes directly to grub |
| 17:22.39 | nsadmin | ok, so grub boots. then what? |
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| 17:22.48 | bfig | it is a minimal distro, 100 mb, gparted <- to fix partitions |
| 17:23.09 | nsadmin | is linux booted in this minimal situation? |
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| 17:23.39 | bfig | no it isn't. on the other hand i have no idea how to make sure everything is set up right |
| 17:23.54 | bfig | http://gparted.sourceforge.net/liveusb.php#linux-setup |
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| 17:24.32 | nsadmin | if it's not linux, I would have no idea about usb, drivers or in fact any other hardware... if something else is booted as kernel, it's that thing, that supports devices |
| 17:24.43 | nsadmin | and you'll probably have to read up on it |
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| 17:25.27 | bfig | mm it is possible i downloaded the wrong file from sourceforge |
| 17:26.11 | nsadmin | also, it's likely that linux -is- used, and certainly it's possible to create a live gparted cd using linux as the booting kernel |
| 17:27.40 | jordanm | !tell sgn about fakeraid |
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| 17:30.56 | nvictor | krion: sorry, it's activated on the host machine |
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| 17:31.46 | nvictor | krion: and i am using the guest machine to connect to a remote host machine |
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| 17:32.13 | nsadmin | bfig, and once you have that, device support is entirely in the booted linux's purview |
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| 17:32.44 | bfig | ok |
| 17:32.49 | bassliner | !tell bassliner about fakeraid |
| 17:32.56 | nsadmin | could you post a link to the project page? I'd like to have a look |
| 17:33.23 | nsadmin | bassliner, or: /msg dpkg fakeraid |
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| 17:42.47 | lenswipe | hey guys |
| 17:42.52 | lenswipe | im trying to install debian netinstall |
| 17:43.17 | lenswipe | i run the installer and i get "THE CD-ROM drive contains a DC which cannot be used for installation. Please insert a suitable CD to continue with the installation" |
| 17:43.18 | lenswipe | what |
| 17:43.20 | lenswipe | the actual |
| 17:43.21 | lenswipe | fuck |
| 17:43.21 | lenswipe | ?! |
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| 17:51.39 | andy1978 | I have debian wheezy and since the last upgrade videos and musik is played faster(approx twice) as they should. Any hints? |
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| 17:52.16 | andy1978 | aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Front_Left.wav is "normal" |
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| 17:56.57 | spersaud | now I have lost sound ... after trying to configure a usb sound card |
| 17:57.12 | spersaud | alsa is not working with my onboard sound card |
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| 17:57.51 | nsadmin | run that alsa-info.sh script |
| 17:58.10 | nsadmin | it will output a url |
| 17:58.17 | nsadmin | show that url to #alsa first |
| 17:58.42 | nsadmin | also look in /proc/asound/cards |
| 17:59.00 | nsadmin | did usb card become card0 when it wasn 'tbefore? |
| 17:59.17 | nsadmin | bathroom/shower break. stuff to think about. |
| 17:59.42 | jelly-home | lenswipe: what is the URL of the image you used |
| 17:59.47 | spersaud | nsadmin: usb sound card is no longer plugged in |
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| 18:00.09 | spersaud | I am removing pulseaudio .. I plan to use that usb sound card in windows on my laptop since sound isnt that good on laptop |
| 18:00.11 | lenswipe | jelly-home, it didnt give one |
| 18:00.19 | sKeiths | in squeeze, where is motd (message of the day) |
| 18:00.20 | lenswipe | jelly-home, i tried another CD and that worked |
| 18:00.40 | lenswipe | jelly-home, i think it was just a bad CD |
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| 18:02.58 | nand` | Are there any known issues with debian and MPD? Cannot get it to work and #mpd says the version is way, way, way too outdated to give any form of reasonable support for |
| 18:03.00 | nand` | and there's no backport |
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| 18:03.12 | nand` | what are my options, just compiling from source and hoping to god it works? |
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| 18:03.39 | somiaj | nand`: /msg dpkg ssbp |
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| 18:05.44 | nand` | hmm |
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| 18:06.15 | somiaj | if the version in sid is up to date enough I think those instructions will compile from source just fine. |
| 18:06.35 | jelly-home | judd: checkbackport mpd |
| 18:06.36 | judd | Backporting package mpd in sid→squeeze/i386: all build-dependencies satisfied using squeeze, archignore. |
| 18:06.38 | nand` | Seems like a disproportionately large amount of effort. I'm considering just changing my mirrors to wheezy and running dist-upgrade, is there a single good argument *against* doing so? |
| 18:06.40 | somiaj | if you need the upstream version, you can either just install it in /usr/local, use stow or try to make your own custom deb. |
| 18:07.19 | somiaj | nand`: if you think making a backport is hard, what are you going to do when your system is broken and doens't work and you have to follow some bug reports/resuce method to get it back? |
| 18:07.20 | qwd | I ran this for file in *; do md5=$(openssl md5 < "$file"); mv "$file" "$md5.${file##*.}"; done and every subfolder in that folder disappeared. Where did they go? |
| 18:07.23 | jelly-home | nand`: wheezy may be broken. Amount of effort to fix the system may exceed one used to make a single backport. |
| 18:07.48 | somiaj | espcally since making a backport is mostly automatic, don't have to do much but type in the right command and wait. |
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| 18:08.19 | tremon | qwd: next time using mv -vn |
| 18:08.25 | somiaj | qwd: check the output of your script if you ran it on a directory. |
| 18:09.00 | qwd | somiaj: yeah it did. but what happened to those folders? |
| 18:09.13 | tremon | qwd: they became hidden |
| 18:09.48 | tremon | oh, btw, s/using/use/ |
| 18:09.50 | qwd | tremon: doh! thanks :) |
| 18:09.51 | somiaj | it moved them to whereever the variable $md5.${file##*.} resoved as. If $md5 was an empty string it made them all .foo (hidden files) |
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| 18:11.13 | TehRabbitt-Work | hey, trying to set up dovecot as an IMAP server but can't seem to get it working :-\ |
| 18:11.38 | TehRabbitt-Work | I've tried logging in using no encryption / starttls but neither work / claim login credentials are not avlid |
| 18:11.39 | TehRabbitt-Work | valid* |
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| 18:12.09 | somiaj | TehRabbitt-Work: might get better support from dovecot's webpage / irc chans. But quick suggestion have you read though additional docs in /usr/share/doc/pkgname -- sometimes there is useful info there regarding integration in debian systems. |
| 18:12.10 | nsadmin | what's a login credential for your case? |
| 18:12.11 | qwd | tremon: what does -n do? I don't see it in man for mv. |
| 18:12.24 | tremon | qwd: no-overwrite |
| 18:12.39 | tremon | (but I'm on wheezy, maybe it's a new addition |
| 18:12.40 | tremon | ) |
| 18:12.44 | nand` | aptitude build-dep mpd wants me to install about a gigabyte of packages, is this normal? |
| 18:12.47 | nsadmin | that would be a documentation bug |
| 18:12.55 | qwd | tremon: isn't that -i for interactive? |
| 18:12.55 | nand` | why the hell does it include packages such as LaTeX |
| 18:13.06 | nsadmin | what's it? |
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| 18:13.26 | somiaj | TehRabbitt-Work: did you follow the instructions to make a user/password file for dovecot to authenticate with, or set it up to correctly use system authentication? |
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| 18:13.47 | qwd | eh, never mind, I looked at the man here instead of the one i googled and -n is there :) thanks again |
| 18:13.55 | lenswipe | jelly-home, i seem to be having another problem |
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| 18:14.03 | somiaj | nand`: you'll have to follow dependencies around, but depending on how many -dev libs you have installed, if this is the first major thing you are building there could be lots of libfoo-dev needed to be installed |
| 18:14.05 | jelly-home | nand`: pastebin the output of your apt-cache policy |
| 18:14.09 | lenswipe | jelly-home, im using kmuto squeeze but its not detecting my hard drive |
| 18:14.21 | lenswipe | : |
| 18:14.23 | lenswipe | :/ |
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| 18:14.45 | jelly-home | lenswipe: that sucks |
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| 18:14.58 | TehRabbitt-Work | somiaj: yea I did :-\ |
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| 18:15.43 | somiaj | TehRabbitt-Work: parse though the logs or double check you generated the user/passwd files correct |
| 18:15.51 | nand` | jelly-home: http://pastebin.com/pLRGcsyw |
| 18:16.07 | jelly-home | man, fuck pastebin.com |
| 18:16.10 | somiaj | nand`: http://packages.debian.org/source/sid/mpd -- also realize it is building the whole source package which contains multiple binaries (maybe more than just the ones you need) |
| 18:16.16 | jelly-home | it wants me to answer a captcha |
| 18:16.30 | thousand | hello people, just got compiz installed, wanted to ask whether v-sync is wm responsibility or xorgs? |
| 18:16.33 | lenswipe | jelly-home, lol i forgot to plug the HDD in |
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| 18:17.12 | somiaj | nand`: acutally I guess there are only two binarys it will build mpd and mpd-dbg |
| 18:17.15 | jelly-home | nand`: ok, I feared you had something else enabled, these are all valid for use with squeeze |
| 18:17.41 | nand` | meh |
| 18:17.46 | somiaj | thousand: xorgs, and for the most part leave a blank xorg flie and let it read it from your monintors EEID |
| 18:17.46 | jelly-home | nand`: yeah, if you did not build stuff before, build-deps can be large |
| 18:18.11 | nand` | I'll give up on it for now, flac -d followed by aplay works |
| 18:18.11 | somiaj | the latex packages seem strange to want to install though. |
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| 18:19.23 | somiaj | I don't get any strange things when I try apt-get build-dep mpd, but I have texlive already installed |
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| 18:19.36 | thousand | somiaj: what do you mean? I seem to have a problem with v-sync while moving windows, some tearing is visible - is it normal or is it a concern for xorg? |
| 18:20.02 | jelly-home | somiaj: latex is oft used in generating documentation in different formats |
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| 18:21.09 | somiaj | thousand: most monintors have their hsync/vsync info in there EEID hardware chips that should be read and used. Check /var/log/Xorg.0.log to see what it is setting, or check something like xvidtune. That will tell you what is being detected. If that seems to be an error you can make custome Modelines, xorg.conf file to set it correct. |
| 18:21.22 | jhutchins_lt | thousand: That's usually a problem with the resolution and the hardware, sometimes a mis-match with the monitor. |
| 18:21.28 | jhutchins_lt | thousand: What have you tried changing? |
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| 18:22.27 | thousand | jhutchins_lt: nothing so far, just installed compiz + xfce |
| 18:22.55 | jhutchins_lt | thousand: xrandr may allow you to change some settings, try different resolutions, etc. |
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| 18:23.06 | somiaj | jelly-home: ahh yea, that makes sense. (: |
| 18:25.38 | |DM| | where do mounted cds show up? |
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| 18:26.11 | harovali | hi, i'm getting the 'Format unsupported (text/plain)' message, when asking cups to print a text file. How can I teach cups to print it ? |
| 18:26.27 | somiaj | |DM|: automaounters seem to like to put them in /media/foo (where foo is the name read from the cdrom) |
| 18:26.52 | somiaj | |DM|: 'mount' or 'df' will list all mounted devices, can check that too |
| 18:26.58 | |DM| | thanks |
| 18:28.05 | thousand | jhutchins_lt: I want to use my native resolution, so it's not the case I suppose, is it? |
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| 18:29.44 | jhutchins_lt | thousand: I have a system where if I drive the monitor at native resolution (1440x900) I get "snow" and all kinds of lines and other artifacts, I have to back it down to a lower resolution (which is easier on the eyes anyway). It's actually a limitation of the BIOS controlling the video chipset. |
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| 18:31.54 | thousand | jhutchins_lt: weird, have you tried updating bios? anyway my laptop is only half-year-old.. I don't expect it to be unsupportable |
| 18:32.41 | ronny | is there a way to stop certain services that are installed from starting at boot time |
| 18:32.58 | ronny | (i dont want apache, postgres and couchdb running unless i need them) |
| 18:33.03 | morphje | lazy answer: yes :D |
| 18:33.30 | jhutchins_lt | thousand: There was a BIOS update that enabled 1440x900 in the first place, but it doesn't work that well. It's an Intel MicroATX system. |
| 18:33.53 | somiaj | ronny: update-rc.d -- 'update-rc.d service disable' |
| 18:34.17 | jhutchins_lt | ronny: or rcconf |
| 18:34.23 | morphje | try this page: http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/how-to-controlling-access-to-linux-services.html |
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| 18:36.16 | ronny | thanks |
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| 18:38.18 | ronny | hmm, now i just need to figgure what exactly defines system policies on networking, so i can allow one certain users to edit it all without entering a password |
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| 18:40.07 | nsadmin | ronny, wow... I guess you already know it's not the best of ideas |
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| 18:40.21 | lenswipe | jelly-home, my machine is taking a really long time to format my disk for install |
| 18:40.30 | jelly-home | lenswipe: ok...? |
| 18:40.33 | lenswipe | jelly-home, the progress bar is a small sliver of blue at the start |
| 18:40.34 | ronny | nsadmin: i pretty much want painless wlan config for my main user |
| 18:40.48 | lenswipe | jelly-home, is there a way to check that it is actually doing it and that it hasnt just crashed? |
| 18:40.48 | nsadmin | P. |
| 18:40.55 | ronny | nsadmin: it kind of worked in ubuntu, but now on debian its more tricky |
| 18:41.00 | nsadmin | P stands for Password stands for Pain? |
| 18:41.08 | jelly-home | lenswipe: there's a shell on Alt-F2 or F3 |
| 18:41.14 | lenswipe | ok then what? |
| 18:41.22 | nsadmin | then hit enter |
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| 18:41.36 | jelly-home | lenswipe: then check what it's doing |
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| 18:41.47 | jhutchins_lt | lenswipe: How big is the disk? |
| 18:41.47 | lenswipe | how? |
| 18:41.48 | lenswipe | top? |
| 18:41.55 | jhutchins_lt | ronny: network-manager handles that pretty well. |
| 18:41.57 | ronny | nsadmin: basically i want one user to be in charge of the network connections without any hassle |
| 18:41.58 | lenswipe | jhutchins_lt, 1TB |
| 18:42.02 | jelly-home | lenswipe: inspect the processes. |
| 18:42.09 | jhutchins_lt | lenswipe: That will take a while. |
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| 18:42.15 | ronny | jhutchins_lt: i have network manager, it tells me about system policy wanting password |
| 18:42.24 | lenswipe | jelly-home, how? |
| 18:42.24 | jhutchins_lt | lenswipe: Especially if you're doing it under a less-efficient GUI. |
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| 18:42.41 | lenswipe | im using the GUI cos the normal install wouldnt let me select United Kingdom as my country |
| 18:42.46 | somiaj | ronny: what do you mean you want your main user to be able to run system commands without a password? |
| 18:42.55 | jhutchins_lt | ronny: Sounds like a gnome problem to me, doesn't happen in kde squeeze. |
| 18:42.59 | lenswipe | jhutchins_lt, it just jumped to Zimbabwe or United States when i hit enter |
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| 18:43.24 | ronny | somiaj: no, i want my main user to be able to edit network-manager settings without password |
| 18:43.24 | somiaj | ronny: or are you wannting network-manager or wicd for a graphical configuration of your network? |
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| 18:43.29 | jelly-home | lenswipe: the usual way, using ps or whatever's available in the limited installer environment |
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| 18:44.31 | lenswipe | jelly-home, parted-server seems to be running |
| 18:44.34 | lenswipe | does that mean its working? |
| 18:44.38 | lenswipe | the HDD light is on aswell |
| 18:45.04 | jhutchins_lt | lenswipe: A Terrabyte is a lot of space to format. |
| 18:45.09 | lenswipe | yeah i know |
| 18:45.17 | lenswipe | its curreait says its erasing data |
| 18:45.23 | lenswipe | not sure why its erasing anything |
| 18:45.25 | lenswipe | the HDD is blank |
| 18:45.27 | lenswipe | O_O |
| 18:45.41 | tremon | lenswipe: are you creating an encrypted partition? |
| 18:46.05 | somiaj | lenswipe: also depends on if you want a fast format or quick format (usually the installer asks you which one) |
| 18:46.17 | lenswipe | tremon, yes |
| 18:46.30 | lenswipe | somiaj, it didnt ask and i didnt specify |
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| 18:47.00 | tremon | then I suggest you go find a good book :) -- it's pre-filling the entire disk with random data |
| 18:47.23 | tremon | (otherwise an attacker can guess where your data is by looking at empty spaces) |
| 18:47.26 | morphje | try the webmage series :) |
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| 18:47.32 | morphje | fun read |
| 18:48.06 | somiaj | lenswipe: yea by default encrypted partitions do full partitions to add security, this is mentioned in the install manual. It could take hours. |
| 18:48.15 | lenswipe | somiaj, great |
| 18:48.19 | lenswipe | hm oh well |
| 18:48.25 | lenswipe | somiaj, im doing a full disk encrypted LVM |
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| 18:48.57 | somiaj | lenswipe: yea that will take a while. Find something else to do. (: |
| 18:48.57 | lenswipe | reason being my last HDD failed and someone told me they just toss them in the trash rather than securely shred them |
| 18:49.22 | somiaj | yea depends on how paraniod you are about others getting your data |
| 18:49.50 | somiaj | usually if an hdd is bad enough you cannot zero it out, it takes lots of money and special equipment to try to recover any data. |
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| 18:50.07 | lenswipe | somiaj, theres nothing illegal on there, its just that i have stuff likle emails and dropbox passwords and work and stuff on there and its none of anyone else's damn business |
| 18:50.13 | rypervenche | lenswipe: I have LVM on LUKS on my full HDD. I'm also running it on an EeePC. Love it. |
| 18:50.21 | morphje | i just bring my disks to a artist who salvages the platters and magnets :) he uses those platters for all sorts of lighting projects. i'm quite sure that my data gets spread around ;) |
| 18:50.24 | lenswipe | hmm |
| 18:50.25 | somiaj | lenswipe: since you seem to be parniod about that, then ues take the time to let it do its random data thing. |
| 18:50.32 | lenswipe | yeah sure: :) |
| 18:51.00 | thousand | I have a problem of slow writing to a flash device via usb 2.0 at the beginning it reaches 40 MB/s and after 5 seconds drops to 6 MB/s, everything is ok if using windows |
| 18:51.10 | thousand | any ideas, guys? |
| 18:51.47 | jelly-home | thousand: that 6MB/s is its real write speed. |
| 18:52.09 | thousand | actually it is usb 3.0 port, yet I am not sure whether the flash device supports it |
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| 18:53.32 | thousand | it can't be, it happens using any flash device (that supports usb 2.0) on windows I dont get such a problem |
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| 18:54.49 | jaakkos | thousand: how much data are you writing |
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| 18:55.00 | jaakkos | thousand: windows speed might be cached |
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| 18:55.26 | jaakkos | so is linux, but perhaps the speed is computation in Linux only takes a window in time instead of whole transfer. |
| 18:55.29 | thousand | 2.3 GB, one file...oh come on.. USB 2.0 is able to reach 60 MB/s |
| 18:55.33 | jaakkos | -is |
| 18:55.45 | jaakkos | around 30MB/s should be expected from USB2 |
| 18:56.00 | thousand | yeah, and its only 5 - 6 MB/s |
| 18:56.09 | jaakkos | then again many flash drives are awfully slow... |
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| 18:57.34 | jaakkos | thousand: which filesystem |
| 18:58.35 | thousand | FAT32 |
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| 19:00.32 | bmomjian | I am using Squeeze and an umount on a file system says the device is busy, but lsof doesn't show anyone using the file system. This is a hard drive, not NFS. Any ideas on the cause? |
| 19:00.37 | gnarface | even very good flash is hard pressed to push 10mb/s (megabits not megabytes) |
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| 19:01.01 | gnarface | i'd be surprised if your average USB keychain could manage more than 5 or 6mb/s |
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| 19:01.34 | gnarface | some camera-grade SD cards can do 10 or 11 reliably |
| 19:01.40 | gnarface | but only for bursts |
| 19:01.50 | gnarface | they usually peak around 9 |
| 19:01.52 | gnarface | or 8 |
| 19:01.58 | gnarface | for sustained that is |
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| 19:02.31 | gnarface | there's a reason why apple used magnetic spindle drives for the ipods |
| 19:02.46 | jelly-home | yeah, 8 years ago |
| 19:02.57 | kevlarman | gnarface: because flash in large quantities was to expensive at the time |
| 19:03.10 | gnarface | well it would also have been slow as hell |
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| 19:03.19 | kevlarman | gnarface: doesn't matter for mp3s |
| 19:03.25 | gnarface | the hell it doesn't |
| 19:03.34 | gnarface | i'm copying 17GB of mp3's to an SD card right now |
| 19:03.34 | kevlarman | gnarface: power usage spinning up the drives makes much more difference |
| 19:03.37 | gnarface | it sure matters |
| 19:03.42 | gnarface | its not pretty to watch |
| 19:03.59 | gnarface | that's comparing apples to oranges |
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| 19:04.36 | bmomjian | Is there a way to change a file system to data=writeback via remount? |
| 19:04.39 | lenswipe | gnarface, or apples to PCs ?XD |
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| 19:06.17 | gnarface | :-p |
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| 19:06.22 | gnarface | rimshots |
| 19:06.22 | jhutchins_lt | bmomjian: Do you have any GUI file managers viewing the drive? |
| 19:06.56 | bmomjian | I didn't think so but I do see nautlius open; let me log out of gui and then try, hold |
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| 19:08.53 | jhutchins_lt | There was a change monitoring daemon that used to make a drive "busy" even if you weren't using it. |
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| 19:10.12 | bmomjian | nope, same error about device in use |
| 19:10.32 | harovali | hi, how can I configure a plaint text printer in cups ? |
| 19:10.37 | jhutchins_lt | lenswipe: You may be looking at several hours. |
| 19:10.43 | gnarface | incidentally, does anyone know of a tool that can tell me what uh... hardware block size a flash card uses? |
| 19:11.04 | bmomjian | I really want to mount the drive data=writeback to run some tests; umounting and remounting seems to be best way, vs. rebooting the server |
| 19:11.06 | konverguoju | is ~/.config/autostart gnome's startup directory or is used only by gnome for startup applications? |
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| 19:11.26 | jhutchins_lt | bmomjian: Well, you could shut down the GUI, but there have been gnome processes that survived shutdown. |
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| 19:11.37 | konverguoju | *or is it used by other desktop environments, too? |
| 19:11.39 | jhutchins_lt | bmomjian: You could just run sync and then remove it. |
| 19:11.45 | somiaj | konverguoju: its freedesktop standard that other DE's may use |
| 19:12.02 | bmomjian | you mean sync and umount -l or -f? |
| 19:12.38 | bmomjian | the drive is just for images so there really is no one accessing it, or shouldn't be |
| 19:12.41 | lenswipe | jhutchins_lt, kk |
| 19:13.08 | jhutchins_lt | bmomjian: Well, definitely try -l & -f first, I was thinking you wanted to physically remove it. |
| 19:13.26 | bmomjian | oh, sorry, just umount it so I can remount it with data=writeback for testing |
| 19:13.32 | bmomjian | ok, try -l first, I guess |
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| 19:13.50 | gnarface | how do i check what installed a package? |
| 19:13.55 | gnarface | nevermind |
| 19:14.03 | bmomjian | ok, umount -l worked fine, thanks |
| 19:14.14 | bmomjian | just odd I could not find who was using it, but I guess that is OK |
| 19:14.17 | somiaj | gnarface: dpkg -S |
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| 19:14.55 | bmomjian | got it, thanks: /dev/sdb1 on /archive type ext3 (rw,data=writeback) |
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| 19:15.37 | gnarface | somiaj: i said what installed a package, not what a package installed |
| 19:16.02 | gnarface | somiaj: do you happen to know what will break if i purge udisks? |
| 19:16.19 | konverguoju | I just went from gnome 3.0 to xfce (didnt uninstall gnome, but xfce is the default setting now on login screen at system startup), but I still do get a message on boot "initializing gnome desktop manager" should I leave as so or do something about it? |
| 19:16.32 | somiaj | gnarface: no clue, not a package I have installed |
| 19:16.49 | somiaj | gnarface: so you want to say do a reverse depends search and figure out what packages depend on udisks? |
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| 19:17.06 | bmomjian | FYI, I do have removable drives on this system, SATA-2, and they work great |
| 19:17.24 | somiaj | gnarface: http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/projects/aptitude/doc/en/ch02s03s05.html is useful for advanced searching with aptitude |
| 19:17.42 | gnarface | somiaj: thanks |
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| 19:18.55 | somiaj | gnarface: aptitude search ~i~R[depends:]udisks |
| 19:19.10 | somiaj | gnarface: that should search installed packages for ones that depend on udisks |
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| 19:19.30 | somiaj | won't tell you which package pulled in udisks, but may give a clue |
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| 19:21.57 | gnarface | somiaj: do i have to run aptitude update first? |
| 19:23.15 | somiaj | gnarface: it will search its current database, since in that search you are just searching installed packages it shouldn't matter |
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| 19:23.45 | somiaj | gnarface: if you want to do a more accurate search for the updated repo then it could matter |
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| 19:24.54 | Baribal | Hi. I'm running a server and monitor its memory consumption with Munin. Each day it starts gobbling up memory linearly until somewhen the usage plummets. Does Linux do garbage collection for process memory? |
| 19:25.31 | gnarface | somiaj: its currently returning nothing, but i can't run aptitude update because i'm currently running apt-get upgrade |
| 19:26.43 | somiaj | gnarface: sorry, remove the [], I missread the option |
| 19:26.52 | somiaj | gnarface: aptitidue search ~i~Rdepends:udisks |
| 19:27.53 | somiaj | gnarface: aptitidue search ~i~Ddepends:udisks -- there after some testing that is what I found. sorry about that (not that familar with aptitudes super cow powers myself as you can tell) |
| 19:28.15 | somiaj | gnarface: you want a DebType depends, not a reverse depends (got myself turned around) |
| 19:29.27 | somiaj | gnarface: also aptitude/apt-get use the same apt database, so apt-get update does the same thing as aptitude update (i belive) |
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| 19:29.48 | gnarface | what's the i column mean and what's the A column mean |
| 19:29.48 | gnarface | ? |
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| 19:32.07 | gnarface | somiaj: http://paste.debian.net/154396/ |
| 19:32.10 | somiaj | sure aptitude manpage/docs would tell you. I belive 'i' means installed and 'A' means as the autoinstall flag (was brought in as a dependency to something else) |
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| 19:32.56 | somiaj | also note just because udisks is in the Depends DebType doesn't mean it is required (there are or depends) |
| 19:33.06 | gnarface | noted |
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| 19:33.11 | gnarface | may rip it out |
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| 19:34.06 | somiaj | wonder what version of debian gnarface is using, udev doesn't seem to depend on udisks on my systems |
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| 19:34.58 | somiaj | oh he is looking for R-depends, he didn't catch I correct the fact I led him astray, to bad he left. |
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| 19:48.17 | guardian | hi |
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| 19:49.01 | guardian | what's the reason behind ixon being enabled by default??? i'm going to disable it by doing stty -ixon in my .bashrc but i'm wondering what's the reason behind it being enabled by default |
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| 19:54.36 | bmoloney | I have added "edac_core" and "edac_mce_amd" to the modules blacklist, but they still load on boot. According to lsmod, they are not a dependency for any other modules. Any idea why they are being loaded? |
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| 19:56.04 | cbmuser | hmm, anyone knows why the development headers for gnome-control-center are completely missing? |
| 19:56.22 | cbmuser | libgnome-control-center-dev has been dropped without a suitable replacement |
| 19:56.52 | cbmuser | any application that is built against gnome-cc cannot be built on Debian (anymore) |
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| 20:02.47 | alecs1 | hi, if I made changes to source code I got with "apt-get source <package>", how do I generate a patch to submit to Debian? |
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| 20:07.33 | jhutchins_lt | lenswipe: Might want to check the alignment of your partition to the 4k sectors. |
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| 20:08.05 | lenswipe | jhutchins_lt, huh? |
| 20:08.08 | lenswipe | how od i check that? |
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| 20:08.21 | jhutchins_lt | Not real sure, but did you say 2T? |
| 20:08.30 | lenswipe | 1T |
| 20:08.42 | jhutchins_lt | Ok, shouldn't need to worry then. |
| 20:09.04 | lenswipe | you know when you install debian and it does that "Partition Disks" bit |
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| 20:09.19 | lenswipe | and it says "Erasing data on SCSI3...etc etc" |
| 20:09.41 | lenswipe | is it just one long bar for the whole erase/format/install process and the text changes or is it just one bar per thing |
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| 20:09.52 | alex- | Does Debian haves AppArmor ? |
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| 20:09.59 | jelly-home | alex-: no, not yet |
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| 20:10.03 | lenswipe | im trying to work out if this long bar is just for the erase part or if its for the whole process and it will get faster later on |
| 20:10.13 | alex- | What does it uses then? |
| 20:10.38 | jelly-home | it does not use any RBAC |
| 20:11.09 | alex- | Why not? wouldn't it be much better? |
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| 20:11.27 | jelly-home | someone has to implement and maintain the policies |
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| 20:13.05 | alex- | Hmm |
| 20:13.11 | alex- | Can't we just use ubuntu's ones? |
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| 20:13.44 | jelly-home | can we? |
| 20:13.47 | jelly-home | I have no idea |
| 20:14.11 | alex- | And what about Upstart? |
| 20:14.17 | no_gravity | Strange. I tried to get rid of the "computer" icon on my gnome desktop. So i starteg gconf-editor, went to apps/nautilus/desktop and disabled "computer icon visible". But its still there! Any ideas? |
| 20:14.43 | Mephisto | maybe it's a shortcut |
| 20:14.53 | Mephisto | try deleting it manually |
| 20:15.11 | no_gravity | Mephisto: you mean me? |
| 20:15.14 | Mephisto | yep |
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| 20:15.18 | alex- | no_gravity: relogged? |
| 20:15.21 | no_gravity | Mephisto: delete it how? |
| 20:15.22 | alex- | logged in again *? |
| 20:15.28 | no_gravity | alex-: yes, i logged out and in again. |
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| 20:15.31 | Mephisto | no_gravity, just right-click and delete. |
| 20:15.31 | alex- | hmm |
| 20:15.34 | alex- | lol |
| 20:15.35 | Mephisto | just try. |
| 20:15.38 | Mephisto | see what happens) |
| 20:15.43 | no_gravity | alex-: maybe i should reboot? |
| 20:15.51 | Mephisto | nah, it shouldn't matter. |
| 20:15.55 | alex- | no_gravity: try what Mephisto suggested |
| 20:16.03 | no_gravity | Mephisto: right klick doesnt bring up a delete option |
| 20:16.05 | Mephisto | aha. |
| 20:16.06 | Mephisto | ok. |
| 20:16.10 | Mephisto | thought so. |
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| 20:16.25 | alex- | Click it |
| 20:16.27 | alex- | and press delete |
| 20:16.30 | alex- | or terminal cd Desktop |
| 20:16.34 | alex- | rm Comptab |
| 20:16.36 | Mephisto | actually, Debian's gnome IS a bit weird.... i've noticed that too. There must be some other settings in there. |
| 20:16.55 | no_gravity | Mephisto: hitting delete doesnt do anything |
| 20:17.11 | alex- | delete it through terminal |
| 20:17.13 | Mephisto | understood |
| 20:17.23 | no_gravity | alex-: there is no such thing in /home/user/Desktop |
| 20:17.35 | Mephisto | of course there isn't, it's not related to shortcuts. |
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| 20:17.39 | Mephisto | it's a different thing. |
| 20:18.04 | alex- | no_gravity: sorry, I forgot that it was something with gnome |
| 20:18.10 | Mephisto | try dragging it to the trashbin? Haha :) |
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| 20:18.32 | no_gravity | Mephisto: tried that. it says "this location is not supported" |
| 20:18.37 | Mephisto | uhu. Fair enough. |
| 20:18.39 | alex- | lol |
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| 20:18.45 | Mephisto | let me see if it works for me :) |
| 20:19.37 | Mephisto | hang on. Do you use compiz or compositing manager? |
| 20:19.40 | Mephisto | that's essential to know. |
| 20:20.03 | Mephisto | cause if there's compiz it might've taken over your base gnome settings. |
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| 20:20.31 | danols | does debian have freeswitch package ? |
| 20:20.43 | no_gravity | Mephisto: i have no clue. i just installed the debian 6.0 as it is linked from the frontpage of debian.org. |
| 20:20.49 | Mephisto | it works for me |
| 20:21.05 | Mephisto | just disabled and enabled it back. It's ok. |
| 20:21.14 | no_gravity | Mephisto: how? |
| 20:21.43 | Mephisto | same what you did. gconf, apps, nautilus - unchecked "computer icon visible" |
| 20:22.03 | alex- | Can I install Upstart and AppArmor in debian? |
| 20:22.09 | no_gravity | Mephisto: hmm... |
| 20:22.21 | Mephisto | Did you actually run gconf from terminal or did you go to System Tools -> Configuration Editor? |
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| 20:23.09 | no_gravity | Mephisto: aaahhh! i run gconf-editor as root! so i probably changed the settings for root but not for my other users. |
| 20:23.15 | Mephisto | probably :) |
| 20:23.24 | Mephisto | just do it from gnome's menu next time :) |
| 20:23.45 | Mephisto | that's how i do it |
| 20:23.57 | no_gravity | now its gone! awesome! |
| 20:24.00 | Mephisto | :) |
| 20:24.00 | no_gravity | thanks for your help! |
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| 20:24.03 | Mephisto | congrats |
| 20:24.05 | Mephisto | np |
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| 20:24.27 | danols | hmm |
| 20:24.34 | danols | would this ubuntu instruction work for deiban http://wiki.freeswitch.org/wiki/Installation_Guide#Ubuntu_Packages ? |
| 20:24.41 | danols | to add custom package repository ? |
| 20:25.02 | Mephisto | probably, but why would you bother with ubuntu stuff? |
| 20:25.22 | Mephisto | ah.. freeswitch... |
| 20:25.26 | Mephisto | i see now.. |
| 20:25.26 | danols | well that's the only info I could find |
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| 20:25.30 | danols | yes :) |
| 20:25.38 | Mephisto | yeah, you can try it. Most of ubuntu stuff works for debian. |
| 20:25.41 | Mephisto | but be careful though. |
| 20:25.48 | Mephisto | sometimes it's... well.. tricky. |
| 20:25.54 | danols | how will I know if crap will be tricky ? |
| 20:26.00 | Mephisto | do not substitute libraries to ubuntu ones. That might be fatal. |
| 20:26.02 | danols | cofnlicts ? |
| 20:26.04 | Mephisto | that's all i can tell you. |
| 20:26.07 | danols | k |
| 20:26.10 | danols | hmm |
| 20:26.49 | Mephisto | if it brings a message like "replacing libraries" in synaptic or something like that - just don't do it. |
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| 20:27.08 | Mephisto | usually it asks "yes" or "no". I prefer not to take a risk at all. |
| 20:27.28 | danols | is http://ppa.launchpad.net an ubuntu repository ? |
| 20:27.34 | alex- | Can I install Upstart and AppArmor in debian? |
| 20:27.35 | danols | Mephisto: k |
| 20:27.42 | Mephisto | not quite, it's a common place for ubuntu stuff |
| 20:27.45 | Mephisto | you have to use Lucid one |
| 20:27.49 | Mephisto | are you on squeeze? |
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| 20:27.56 | alex- | 6.0 |
| 20:28.12 | Mephisto | i'm asking danols |
| 20:28.20 | danols | and it integrates with apt-get or it's just that package provides nighlty builds of the packages ? |
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| 20:28.28 | jhutchins_lt | We can not support installing Ubuntu packages in Debian. |
| 20:28.35 | jhutchins_lt | Mephisto: Please don't do that here. |
| 20:28.35 | gnarface | dvd ripping software in main that has the ability to pick a specific camera angle? |
| 20:28.40 | Mephisto | jhutchins_lt, sorry. |
| 20:28.41 | danols | I don't even know it's an ubuntu package |
| 20:28.51 | jhutchins_lt | danols: If it's from a ppa it is. |
| 20:28.52 | danols | how can I tell ? |
| 20:28.55 | danols | ok |
| 20:29.01 | jhutchins_lt | danols: If it's not from a Debian repository it's not debian. |
| 20:29.05 | Mephisto | danols, it's basically non-debian package, that's all he want's to say. |
| 20:29.12 | danols | k i see |
| 20:29.24 | jhutchins_lt | danols: Which package? |
| 20:29.31 | danols | maybe I am not looking right |
| 20:29.32 | danols | freeswitch |
| 20:29.41 | danols | apt-get shows no freeswitch package |
| 20:29.50 | nyk2005 | Does anyone know why DSPAM is not in the debian squeeze repository anymore, as it was in sid, for example? Would someone suggest an other tools for spam filtering in combination with postfix? |
| 20:29.51 | danols | is there a debian sources I might be missing |
| 20:29.52 | alex- | Mephisto: oh sorry |
| 20:30.11 | m8 | alextreme, SMPlayer the best :D |
| 20:30.31 | Mephisto | danols, try backports. |
| 20:30.42 | jhutchins_lt | danols: This page has instructions for Debian; http://wiki.freeswitch.org/wiki/Linux_Quick_Install_Guide |
| 20:30.45 | Mephisto | ah, no. |
| 20:30.47 | Mephisto | don't try it. |
| 20:30.50 | Mephisto | it's not there. |
| 20:31.32 | jhutchins_lt | danols: When you install debian packages, you MIGHT be just fine - but we don't know, and we can't support it, and we can't tell what it might have messed up if it messes up. |
| 20:31.42 | nyk2005 | Ah, ok, I saw in the bug-reports that it's not configurable enough for the debian standards. Does someone know a good alternative? |
| 20:32.05 | jhutchins_lt | erm, non-debian packages that is. |
| 20:32.35 | jhutchins_lt | nyk2005: spamassassin is the best. |
| 20:32.50 | jhutchins_lt | nyk2005: That and greylisting work very well. |
| 20:32.53 | nyk2005 | jhutchins_lt: thanks for this opinion! Now I try it! |
| 20:32.55 | hyppias | which filesystem should I use on a debian disk, so I can access the files from Windows? |
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| 20:33.02 | danols | sorry not following you guys... |
| 20:33.23 | jhutchins_lt | nyk2005: You can use the postgrey package for easy greylisting. |
| 20:33.33 | nyk2005 | jhutchins_lt: I used greylisting before for about 3 years, but I'm getting tired of the delay, and it also doesn't catch all the spam. |
| 20:34.04 | jhutchins_lt | nyk2005: Greylisting mostly works on robo-spam, and it won't delay from established senders. |
| 20:34.14 | nyk2005 | jhutchins_lt: spamassassin alone won't suffice? |
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| 20:34.33 | jhutchins_lt | nyk2005: They address different things, and greylisting lightens the load on spamassassin. |
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| 20:34.45 | manganese | nyk2005: spamassassin alone does well enough for my uses (BUT i SEEM TO GET A LOT LESS SPAM NOW THAN i USED TO) |
| 20:34.46 | nyk2005 | jhutchins_lt: yes, it truly works well on primitive spam. Without it, I get about one spam every minute... :) |
| 20:34.49 | manganese | oops |
| 20:34.51 | manganese | sorry caps |
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| 20:35.03 | thewanderer1 | also, greylisting makes your users angry when they have to wait 15 minutes for each mail... :/ |
| 20:35.11 | danols | would this is what I need? http://wiki.freeswitch.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Quick_Start#The_Debian_.2F_Ubuntu_way |
| 20:35.39 | jhutchins_lt | thewanderer1: They only have to wait if the mail is from someone new who hasn't sent before. |
| 20:35.47 | nyk2005 | thewanderer1: yes, the delay sometimes makes me angry (I the only user...) |
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| 20:35.56 | jhutchins_lt | thewanderer1: At least, if you configure it correctly that's how it works. |
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| 20:36.11 | nyk2005 | manganese: ok, I go for spamassassin this time! thanks! |
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| 20:37.02 | manganese | nyk2005: Should clarify, the "lot less spam than I used to" refers to the input to spamassassin, not the output! |
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| 20:37.41 | jhutchins_lt | thewanderer1: For mailservers that handle significant traffic it's really essential. |
| 20:37.45 | nyk2005 | manganese: yes, I assumes so, thanks! Is it really needed to not run it as root? I mean I don't see any reason why not.. |
| 20:37.49 | jhutchins_lt | thewanderer1: That and judicious RBLs. |
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| 20:39.41 | oopepe | Hi, is it possible to change the permissions of a file in /sys? If yes, how can i change the permissions since chmod doesnt do anything? |
| 20:39.45 | nyk2005 | manganese: I'll just try the debian defaults, they're mostly nice enough for me... |
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| 20:40.32 | jhutchins_lt | oopepe: Why do you want to do that? |
| 20:40.37 | somiaj | oopepe: sys is a tmpfs that contains kernel info, the real question is why do you want to change the prmisions of those files |
| 20:40.52 | manganese | nyk2005: That's what I use (albeit with exim4, rather than postfix) |
| 20:41.05 | nyk2005 | manganese: cool, thanks! |
| 20:41.12 | oopepe | Hi, i want to controll a LED as normal user. I dont want to run the application as root. |
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| 20:41.58 | jhutchins_lt | oopepe: Probably best to study the documentation for the application and see how it's meant to be used. |
| 20:42.20 | nyk2005 | manganese: by default, it just adds the spam-score to the subject? Is it possible to relay spam to a different user? |
| 20:42.55 | oopepe | jhutchins_lt: The app uses a simple fopen(.., "w") to controll the led. So, is it possible to change the permissions? |
| 20:42.58 | jhutchins_lt | nyk2005: procmail is good for things like that. |
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| 20:43.17 | manganese | nyk2005: I use procmail for that. Have spamassassin change subject of email, and create procmail rule to redirect accordingly |
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| 20:43.53 | nyk2005 | jhutchins_lt: you mean in addition to spamassassin? |
| 20:44.03 | nyk2005 | manganese: ah, I see!! |
| 20:44.04 | jhutchins_lt | oopepe: If the documentation doesn't tell you how to use it as a regular user, you're better off using a different application rather than messing with files in /sys (which are not really files). |
| 20:44.13 | nyk2005 | manganese: thanks! |
| 20:44.27 | karlpinc | nyk2005: Yes, in addtion. |
| 20:44.28 | jhutchins_lt | nyk2005: Yes, I use procmail to either deliver the messages to a spam folder or delete them. |
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| 20:45.12 | nyk2005 | thanks! I try... so better first try spamassassin alone, and then drop in procmail if it works.. |
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| 20:45.30 | oopepe | jhutchins_lt: Its opensource, so i could change it. Are you implying that it is possible to change hose permissions? |
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| 20:46.32 | karlpinc | nyk2005: I use greylisting (sqlgrey but might consider switching to postfix's built-in), spamassassin, and then bogofilter. I let the ones marked spam thorough, that bogofilter does not catch. Spamassiassion has occasional false postivies but bogofilter has had either zero or 1 in 10 years or so. |
| 20:48.10 | karlpinc | nyk2005: But I had to do a bit of scripting for my mail client ( |
| 20:48.28 | karlpinc | ttp://paste.debian.net/154410/) to make it easy to train bogofilter. |
| 20:49.34 | nyk2005 | karlpinc: wow, thanks! I have to look up bogofilter too! |
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| 20:49.50 | thewanderer1 | oopepe, you can fork() and use seccomp with a pipe to control the execution |
| 20:49.56 | Arrick | hey all, how do i reset the apache install to defaults in breezy and apache2? |
| 20:50.04 | thewanderer1 | you'll have to run it as root and fork() to drop privileges, though |
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| 20:50.19 | gnarface | breezy |
| 20:50.25 | thewanderer1 | is an Ubuntu release... |
| 20:50.26 | nyk2005 | So spamassassin is running as root by default? Not "spamd"? Because I need to specifiy in the postfix config.. |
| 20:50.28 | karlpinc | nyk2005: And I don't believe I use the baysen filter in spamassassion, because feeding it to train it sounds like work. |
| 20:50.35 | Arrick | grr, not that, one second |
| 20:50.45 | Arrick | how do i pull the version I have again? |
| 20:50.59 | thewanderer1 | Arrick, apt-cache policy $packagename |
| 20:51.25 | thewanderer1 | unless you mean Debian version... cat /etc/debian_version |
| 20:51.27 | Arrick | squeeze, lol |
| 20:51.51 | Arrick | 6.0.2 |
| 20:52.26 | somiaj | though /etc/debian_version is a bad way to check your actual version. |
| 20:53.17 | Arrick | ok, now that we got the distro out of the way, is there an answer to the apache question? |
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| 20:53.35 | karlpinc | nyk2005: IIRC I run spamd as spamd, and spamc as another user I setup (spamfilter) from postfix's master.cf. |
| 20:54.20 | karlpinc | nyk2005: |
| 20:54.27 | nyk2005 | karlpinc: thanks! I realized the spamd user doesn't exist on my system, so I presume it runs as root |
| 20:54.37 | karlpinc | nyk2005: http://www.geekly.com/entries/archives/00000155.htm But I don't know if it's still live. |
| 20:54.47 | jhutchins_lt | !spamassassin |
| 20:54.47 | dpkg | SpamAssassin is a <spam> filter utilizing content matching rules. Read /usr/share/doc/spamassassin/README.Debian.gz after package installation. If installed, <razor> will be automatically used. http://wiki.apache.org/spamassassin/FrequentlyAskedQuestions http://spamassassin.apache.org/ #spamassassin on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 20:54.52 | nyk2005 | yes it runs as root |
| 20:54.54 | nyk2005 | soory |
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| 20:55.28 | nyk2005 | thanks, sorry for the many questions! |
| 20:55.49 | Morgawr | hey everyone.. I've just chrooted into a directory (it has the same directory structure as a / tree, it's basically a live debian iso) and it's the first time I chroot into something... I tried using apt-get (or accessing any www.xxx.yyy website with ping) and it doesn't connect |
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| 20:55.57 | fruitwerks_ | hey all I have a VM setup and I need to use some public ip's in it, but I want those to rout through my private ip for the vm, what are my options? |
| 20:56.00 | Morgawr | it seems that it can't resolve any DNS, what do I do? did I do something wrong? |
| 20:56.15 | thewanderer1 | Morgawr, fix your /etc/resolv.conf in the chroot |
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| 20:56.50 | jhutchins_lt | Morgawr: Did you mount proc and sys? |
| 20:57.12 | Morgawr | thewanderer1: it was empty, I copied the one from my normal system and it worked :D thanks |
| 20:57.17 | Morgawr | and jhutchins_lt no, I just chrooted into it |
| 20:57.17 | thewanderer1 | fruitwerks_, you can route to public IPs through private IPs just fine |
| 20:58.18 | fruitwerks_ | how might I go about doing so? |
| 20:58.42 | oopepe | thewanderer1: I dont know seccomp, but wikipedia states that it can only operate on already opened files and fopen is not allowed in seccomp mode. |
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| 20:58.59 | shaullx | can anyone help me start a vnc server on a non root user? |
| 20:59.02 | NishaKitty | hmm |
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| 21:00.13 | thewanderer1 | oopepe, exactly. you start as root, fork() a seccomp worker, setuid() in the parent to nobody, and communicate with the seccomp worker so that it manipulates the LED |
| 21:00.49 | ronny | hmm |
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| 21:02.18 | oopepe | thewanderer1: Ah, i see. Thank you. That would be a way, but its relatively much work. How would i change the permissions of the file directly? Is it some kernel source hacking, or some configs? |
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| 21:02.58 | thewanderer1 | oopepe, the only solution I've seen that changes the perms involved kernel hacking... it might work with chmod, but don't count on its persistence |
| 21:03.13 | Arrick | hey, how do I tell how much space my debian install is currently taking? |
| 21:03.31 | oopepe | thewanderer1: All right, thank you again :-) |
| 21:03.33 | Morgawr | Arrick: I usually do "df" |
| 21:03.35 | somiaj | Arrick: 'df -h' will tell you how much space each mounted drive is using |
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| 21:04.01 | Arrick | thanks. |
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| 21:04.06 | shaullx | anyone? :3 |
| 21:04.28 | somiaj | Arrick: though realize things like /home, or even /var/cache/apt/archives can take up a fair amount of space and be counted in that total. |
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| 21:04.34 | karlpinc | Arrick: Or sfdisk -l on each of your drives to see how much disk you've set-aside. |
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| 21:04.40 | pom | Does this mean that "aptitude install lighttpd" will upgrade lighttpd to 1.4.30-1? http://pastie.org/3298194 |
| 21:04.41 | Arrick | yeah i know, i needed the total |
| 21:05.00 | Arrick | the only thing on it is a db with mysql, and I am only running at 22% of 5.9G |
| 21:05.08 | somiaj | pom: apt-cache policy lighttpd -- that will tell you what the default install will do. |
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| 21:05.27 | pom | somiaj: What constitutes a "default" install? |
| 21:05.37 | somiaj | pom: oh that is what you did. Um DO NOT MIX lenny and unstable |
| 21:05.58 | somiaj | pom: i.e. what apt will do if you say apt-get install...you gave the output that says yo umay hurt your system very very bad |
| 21:06.19 | pom | somiaj: I am somewhat aware of that. :/ |
| 21:06.27 | somiaj | pom: I really hope you haven't installed any unstable packages on lenny. That sounds dangerous. |
| 21:06.49 | pom | somiaj: I have. |
| 21:07.15 | somiaj | pom: lenny didn't have udev in it, while the core of squeeze and even unstable now does, that could really hose your system if you get core upgrades. |
| 21:07.41 | somiaj | !sid |
| 21:07.42 | dpkg | The great thing about running sid is that, when it breaks you get to keep ALL the pieces!! |
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| 21:07.47 | pom | somiaj: Thank you! You're very considerate! =) |
| 21:08.01 | pom | I am going to reinstall this machine in the next couple of weeks. |
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| 21:08.14 | somiaj | pom: backports.debian.org (read up on backports and understand why that is the way to install needed newer software on a frozen debian release) |
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| 21:09.01 | pom | somiaj: I will. Never understood that back then. I think I will have to reinstall this machine soon. |
| 21:09.06 | somiaj | pom: its not lighttpd that is the issue, it is all the core packages such as libc6, debian core tools and the likes that the package depends on that also get pulled in from unstable that will break it |
| 21:09.42 | pom | somiaj: Would that also be a concern if I compile myself? |
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| 21:10.12 | somiaj | pom: no, because you will compile the software (or better yet compile a custom debian package) against the versions of the libaries/tools in stable |
| 21:10.37 | somiaj | pom: that is all a backport is, newer software version compiled against the libaries/version in stable (or inyour case oldstable) |
| 21:10.48 | pom | somiaj: Aaaah. *plong |
| 21:11.03 | pom | somiaj: That will have to be the solution for tonight then. |
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| 21:11.48 | somiaj | pom: /msg dpkg ssbp |
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| 21:12.24 | somiaj | pom: you can backport from any newer debian distro just fine. You may have trouble backporting anything newer than squeeze into lenny though (there have been lots of core changes since that release such as udev and other things the newer version may need) |
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| 21:13.44 | somiaj | pom: but if you are going to reinstall, upgrade to squeeze, lenny has reached the end of its life. |
| 21:16.25 | pom | somiaj: Actually, I'm actually thinking about switching to Fedora. I've had some problems with Debian, mainly with old packages. But to be fair, my understanding of this all was very poor before, as you might have already figured out. I will take a look at backports and see where it takes me. |
| 21:18.01 | somiaj | pom: there are also many backports already made. Also pay attention to the idea of stable, it is a frozen system that only gets bug fixes/security fixes so things won't just change adding unexpected bugs/security holes to run bleeding edge software |
| 21:18.32 | somiaj | pom: but backports are for the cases you want newer package or two (and accept security/bug responability) but still have the sold debian stable system. |
| 21:18.37 | somiaj | solid* |
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| 21:19.35 | pom | I actually like to get my hands dirty. Is it testing or stable that is the usual choice then? |
| 21:20.13 | pom | *unstable I mean. |
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| 21:22.28 | karlpinc | pom: There's plenty to dirty your hands with in stable as well. You otherwise probably want testing. FYI, see the <introduction> and <overview> factoids. (type "/msg dpkg overview" into your irc client.) |
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| 21:23.00 | Arrick | hey all, how do i reset the apache install to defaults in squeeze and apache2? |
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| 21:23.37 | karlpinc | Arrick: You can purge the package and reinstall, or see the <confmiss> factoid. |
| 21:23.52 | Arrick | how do i purge it? |
| 21:23.54 | pom | Btw, one thing that always tends to pop up for me is the NO_PUBKEY GPG error on aptitude update. What causes this? |
| 21:24.02 | pom | Is it my constant tinkering with sources? |
| 21:24.08 | karlpinc | Arrick: aptitude purge apache2 |
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| 21:27.48 | manganese | pom: Possibly. Debian keys come from the debian-keyring package (but if you have a squeeze debian-keyring and packages from sid, it's conceivable that things may happen (I don't know -- I have not tried this)). Non-debian keys (for non-Debian repos) come from elsewhere. |
| 21:28.28 | manganese | For third party (eg, non debian) keys, see the docs for the apt-key tool. |
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| 21:30.12 | thewanderer1 | it's debian-archive-keyring |
| 21:30.14 | hetOrakel | hi, i'm trying to install debian 6 next to windows. i am stuck on "grub install failed". Google gives a lot hits but nothing usefull...... any one some idea where to start? |
| 21:30.19 | manganese | sorry, quite right |
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| 21:34.40 | hetOrakel | hmmm. i finished the installation an tried a reboot. the installer managed to trash my boot partition |
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| 21:46.51 | ihsw | why is the redis-server package in debian-squeeze so old |
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| 21:48.36 | feanor | hi |
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| 21:49.39 | feanor | Problem compiling libdrm for 32 bits: Here it talks about using ./autogen.sh |
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| 21:51.32 | feanor | but ehre is no sutogen.sh, I thought Icould use ./configure, |
| 21:51.40 | feanor | but then it does not understand many options. |
| 21:51.41 | feanor | :p |
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| 21:52.21 | feanor | wau, full of typos I was at phone. |
| 21:52.21 | feanor | again. |
| 21:52.39 | black_sparrow | /query oitofelix |
| 21:52.55 | feanor | In thos instructions it talks aobut using "./autogen.sh" but that files does not exist |
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| 21:53.49 | Arrick | ok, how do I reset the debian install to defaults without reinstalling the OS? |
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| 21:54.33 | Kunda | what's the apt-get command to see where it installed Citadel. Wanting to uninstall citadel and clean up any lingering log/config files |
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| 21:57.27 | manganese | Kunda: "apt-get purge $package" should remove evidence of the package. "dpkg -L $package" will list files installed by a given package. |
| 21:57.57 | Kunda | manganese, fantastic, thanks! |
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| 22:05.48 | Morgawr | hey everyone, question: I'm trying to build a debian live CD. I did everything as usual, then I launch "sudo lb build" and while building it says "W: skipping binary_iso" |
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| 22:05.58 | Morgawr | and in the end I don't have a hybrid-binary.iso file in the directory |
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| 22:06.17 | Morgawr | what is going on? (I know I tried this before and I should have gotten a .iso file, it worked all the time) |
| 22:06.57 | simonlnu | *why* did it skip that? seems to me to be the reason you don't have an iso. |
| 22:07.05 | simonlnu | check the build log |
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| 22:07.34 | Morgawr | where's the build log? |
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| 22:08.18 | b00f | is it considered proper to use apt-get or aptitude for package management on a debian installation? |
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| 22:08.47 | Hydroxide | b00f: either one. when upgrading between Debian releases, follow the new release's release notes. otherwise, they both work |
| 22:08.52 | simonlnu | i'm assuming there is one because it's a debian tool. it's probably one dir up from where the build process worked |
| 22:09.16 | Morgawr | simonlnu: http://pastebin.com/NLKkwztN this is the build output btw |
| 22:09.39 | b00f | Hydroxide: can package breakage occur if they are used interchangeably? |
| 22:10.04 | Hydroxide | b00f: they use the same database. feel free to intermix. (in lenny there was a partial exception to this, but I think it was fixed for squeeze) |
| 22:10.11 | Morgawr | I think Imma try remove everything and redo it |
| 22:10.14 | Hydroxide | (at least fixed for the part that overlapped) |
| 22:10.15 | Morgawr | and see how it goes |
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| 22:10.29 | simonlnu | Morgawr: you got a bunch of those |
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| 22:10.46 | simonlnu | W: (which is warning, in case you didn't figure it out ;) |
| 22:10.55 | Morgawr | yeah |
| 22:10.58 | Morgawr | I noticed all of them |
| 22:10.58 | b00f | Hydroxide: awesome, thank you. |
| 22:11.17 | simonlnu | weird. it *seems* to keep repeating the steps. |
| 22:11.19 | Morgawr | I think I did something wrong in the process, this is weird.. I'mma try "lb clean", remove everything and start again from scratch |
| 22:11.31 | simonlnu | yeh |
| 22:11.34 | Morgawr | because I think I may have launched an lb build ontop of a dirty directory |
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| 22:11.53 | DanTheBeastMan | hello, I recently changed my fstab, and now other users besides myself can't access one of my mounts.. current options set on it are `umask=007,gid=46` |
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| 22:15.41 | overclucker | are the other users part of the group with gid 46? |
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| 22:17.22 | JohnWittle | I am running debian. I have never installed a mail server before. When I try to apt-get install postfix, it fails with 'mail transfer agent service already supplied!'. I have checked for exim and sendmail and don't feel like googling 'list of mail transfer agents' and then checking for each one is a good solution. |
| 22:17.34 | JohnWittle | Is there some easy way? |
| 22:18.58 | simonlnu | exim is the default mta. you'd have to purge that and install postfix. i suggest using a smart frontend like aptitude to do this |
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| 22:19.51 | JohnWittle | exim is not installed |
| 22:20.10 | simonlnu | it's called exim4, and has various packages associated with it |
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| 22:20.31 | JohnWittle | is 'sudo apt-get purge exim4' insufficient to remove all related packages? |
| 22:20.43 | simonlnu | aptitude; then / then type exim ; hit n to search for next result |
| 22:21.03 | DanTheBeastMan | agreed. aptitude is much preferred over apt-get |
| 22:21.03 | simonlnu | yes, because a number of other packages depend on mail-transport-agent |
| 22:21.10 | JohnWittle | unfortunately: Package exim4 is not installed, so not removed |
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| 22:21.19 | JohnWittle | i will search for exim |
| 22:21.22 | simonlnu | please pay attention |
| 22:21.53 | DanTheBeastMan | overclucker: honestly I don't know. I'm still new to linux and don't quite understand groups and such. |
| 22:21.58 | JohnWittle | there is nothing matching 'exim' in 'installed packages' |
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| 22:22.33 | simonlnu | hm. probably when you tired to install postfix |
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| 22:22.36 | simonlnu | tried* |
| 22:22.52 | JohnWittle | Probably |
| 22:22.55 | JohnWittle | :/ |
| 22:23.07 | JohnWittle | And yet I still get a 'mta being supplied' error |
| 22:23.40 | simonlnu | it's ok. do the same for postfix, and install it. g to commit the changes. well, do apt-cache search mail-transport-agent to show them |
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| 22:24.36 | JohnWittle | How do I mark packages for installation in aptitude? |
| 22:24.43 | simonlnu | press + |
| 22:24.56 | simonlnu | = is hold; _ is purge; - is remove |
| 22:26.05 | streuner | hands simonlnu the man page in order to not get the spoonfeeding award |
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| 22:28.05 | overclucker | DanTheBeastMan: you can also use named groups with gid=. create a group for the users you want to be able to access the mount, and add them to it. then mount with gid=groupname. |
| 22:29.03 | Mephisto | question, is it neccessary to defragment ext* file system? |
| 22:29.08 | Mephisto | i mean.. is it even possible? |
| 22:29.17 | Mephisto | just curious |
| 22:29.25 | simonlnu | only ext4, and only under certain circumstances |
| 22:29.31 | Mephisto | hm |
| 22:29.42 | Mephisto | why not ext4 and earlier? |
| 22:29.44 | Mephisto | ext3* |
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| 22:29.53 | JohnWittle | simonlnu: Everything in the 'supplies mail-transport-agent service' list is unmarked, except postfix which is 'partially installed' |
| 22:29.59 | simonlnu | not needed |
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| 22:30.04 | Mephisto | interesting. |
| 22:30.06 | simonlnu | JohnWittle: hmm ok |
| 22:30.21 | simonlnu | so install it ;) |
| 22:30.30 | JohnWittle | When I do, it fails with the same error. |
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| 22:31.03 | JohnWittle | Is it possible it being partially installed is causing it to think there's already a MTA provided, but not being fully installed makes it think... i mean, i don't know how to think about the bug clearly enough to say how it would happen |
| 22:31.16 | JohnWittle | i will purge and reinstall postfix |
| 22:31.22 | simonlnu | quit aptitude, do dpkg --configure -a |
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| 22:32.02 | JohnWittle | no output, ran without error |
| 22:32.13 | simonlnu | ok, dpkg -l postfix |
| 22:32.19 | JohnWittle | i or L? |
| 22:32.20 | jhutchins_lt | JohnWittle: Have you tried aptitude -f install? |
| 22:32.25 | simonlnu | L |
| 22:32.36 | simonlnu | (get a better font ;) |
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| 22:33.54 | JohnWittle | jhutchins_lt: same rror |
| 22:33.59 | JohnWittle | simonlnu: no effect |
| 22:34.20 | simonlnu | what do you mean no effect? what does the output say? |
| 22:34.29 | JohnWittle | simonlnu: the two character prefix to postfix in that list is 'iF' |
| 22:34.32 | JohnWittle | i think that's what you want |
| 22:34.39 | simonlnu | yes, thank you |
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| 22:35.12 | simonlnu | half configured, and badly |
| 22:35.29 | simonlnu | try dpkg-reconfigure postfix maybe |
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| 22:36.31 | JohnWittle | simonlnu: nothing |
| 22:36.45 | JohnWittle | returned error 'broken package' |
| 22:36.58 | simonlnu | yeh, purge it and install it. no kidding ;) |
| 22:37.14 | streuner | JohnWittle: please show us your sources.list in a pastebin |
| 22:38.00 | JohnWittle | Setting up postfix (2.7.1-1+squeeze1) ... |
| 22:38.01 | JohnWittle | insserv: script postfix: service mail-transport-agent already provided! |
| 22:38.03 | JohnWittle | D: |
| 22:38.06 | JohnWittle | yes, one sec. |
| 22:38.36 | streuner | judd, versions postfix |
| 22:38.40 | judd | Package: postfix on i386 -- lenny: 2.5.5-1.1+lenny1; lenny-security: 2.5.5-1.1+lenny1; lenny-backports: 2.7.1-1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 2.7.1-1+squeeze1; squeeze-security: 2.7.1-1+squeeze1; squeeze-backports: 2.8.3-1~bpo60+1; sid: 2.8.7-1; wheezy: 2.8.7-1 |
| 22:38.49 | simonlnu | check /etc/init.d for a script called postfix. it may have not purged it |
| 22:39.02 | JohnWittle | http://paste2.org/p/1891211 |
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| 22:39.20 | alex- | Anyone who uses ISPConfig? |
| 22:39.24 | simonlnu | no |
| 22:39.35 | simonlnu | not supported here |
| 22:39.54 | alex- | where then? |
| 22:40.25 | streuner | JohnWittle: line 8 and 9 are just not useful, because you have them double, just comment those lines |
| 22:40.27 | simonlnu | !ispconfig |
| 22:40.27 | dpkg | ISPConfig is a web hosting control panel available under the BSD license. http://www.ispconfig.org/ |
| 22:40.34 | simonlnu | there ^^ |
| 22:40.51 | JohnWittle | streuner: that wouldn't cause my problem though? |
| 22:40.53 | JohnWittle | but done |
| 22:40.57 | streuner | no |
| 22:41.06 | streuner | sources.list is ok, IMO |
| 22:41.33 | jhutchins_lt | postfix shouldn't require contrib or non-free. |
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| 22:42.50 | JohnWittle | hmmm |
| 22:42.56 | streuner | JohnWittle: what does "dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1" say? |
| 22:43.11 | JohnWittle | ii libc6 2.11.3-2 Embedded GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 22:43.15 | simonlnu | um, isn't that a little pointless? |
| 22:43.27 | streuner | judd, versions libc6 |
| 22:43.28 | judd | Package: libc6 on i386 -- lenny: 2.7-18lenny7; lenny-security: 2.7-18lenny7; squeeze: 2.11.3-2; wheezy: 2.13-24; sid: 2.13-25 |
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| 22:43.47 | streuner | yes, indeed, after we verfiy this... |
| 22:44.56 | streuner | simonlnu: it becomes more and more strange, after we make that clear |
| 22:45.27 | JohnWittle | why? I am running squeeze and have squeeze's libc |
| 22:45.34 | streuner | to tell you the truth, iam out of ideas now |
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| 22:46.25 | jhutchins_lt | Is there a stream player that will allow you to rewind to catch something you missed? |
| 22:47.28 | JohnWittle | :/ |
| 22:47.40 | simonlnu | JohnWittle: ok. so what's postfix's state right now? if gone, then check for its script in /etc/init.d like i asked you, and se if it's there or not, and rm it if it is. if it is installed, make sure there's no dpkg-new in there. you might want to check the state of the innserv files in /etc/init.d too (.depend.*) |
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| 22:48.07 | shaullx | which repository do i need to add in order to get jdk6? |
| 22:48.15 | shaullx | getting the following error trying to get it |
| 22:48.16 | shaullx | E: Package 'sun-java6-jdk' has no installation candidate |
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| 22:48.31 | streuner | sounds like sid |
| 22:48.34 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions sun-java6-jdk |
| 22:48.35 | judd | Package: sun-java6-jdk on i386 -- lenny/non-free: 6-26-0lenny1; squeeze/non-free: 6.26-0squeeze1 |
| 22:48.50 | simonlnu | JohnWittle: again, this depends on if it's installed or not. because if you modify those .depend.* files while it's still installed, even partially, you're gonna get problems |
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| 22:49.18 | simonlnu | innserv for some reason is FUBAR/confused, so that's where you need to look |
| 22:49.42 | Morgawr | guys, how do I remove a package (libc6) without having apt try to remove all the other packages that depend on it? |
| 22:49.42 | simonlnu | Morgawr: uh, what? |
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| 22:49.51 | simonlnu | you don't remove libc6, ever |
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| 22:50.14 | jhutchins_lt | Morgawr: What makes you think you want to do that? |
| 22:50.15 | Morgawr | simonlnu: I need to remove it (I'm chrooted, it's not my main machine) because I will be installing another one from outside the chroot and it conflicts |
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| 22:50.45 | simonlnu | are you in the chroot? whether or not you are, it's going to have the same result. |
| 22:50.51 | tremon | Morgawr: dpkg -P --force-depends. You have been warned |
| 22:50.55 | jhutchins_lt | Morgawr: What are you actually trying to do? It doesn't sound like Debian. |
| 22:51.02 | simonlnu | EXTREME breakage ;) |
| 22:51.10 | simonlnu | jhutchins_lt: build a live cd |
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| 22:51.22 | Morgawr | jhutchins_lt: it's debian, I'm trying to get a custom live CD running and the lb build process conflicts with the pre-set chroot directory |
| 22:51.26 | Morgawr | tremon: thanks |
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| 22:52.54 | Morgawr | tremon: it worked, thanks :) |
| 22:52.55 | erik5 | Hello. |
| 22:53.17 | erik5 | I need to connect to a wireless connection on my modem in terminal. I usually do it with network manager. |
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| 22:53.24 | erik5 | How can I do it on terminal? |
| 22:53.33 | streuner | interfaces |
| 22:53.50 | simonlnu | uh, n-m conflicts with /e/n/interfaces |
| 22:53.51 | erik5 | I'm logged in like normal but without gdm, so NetworkManager is running |
| 22:53.53 | streuner | google for "debian how to use wlan" |
| 22:54.10 | simonlnu | doesn't n-m have a console client? |
| 22:54.16 | tremon | erik5: that's not easy. But if you have network manager already configured, nmcli might be the easiest |
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| 22:54.26 | streuner | simonlnu: i think its GUI |
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| 22:54.57 | simonlnu | i thought so. and i've never used it ;) |
| 22:55.03 | tfitts | anyone here use ychat and have it crash when you try to join the ubuntu channel? |
| 22:55.04 | simonlnu | nmcli ^^ |
| 22:55.25 | simonlnu | tfitts: it reads you're on debian and crashes you :P |
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| 22:56.03 | erik5 | Hmmm |
| 22:56.14 | tfitts | simonlnu: it's not like I'm trying to join centos :P |
| 22:56.20 | simonlnu | hehe |
| 22:56.37 | jhutchins_lt | erik5: THere's a CLI client for network-manager |
| 22:57.31 | jhutchins_lt | erik5: cnetworkmanager |
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| 22:57.51 | erik5 | jhutchins_lt: The computer can't access the internet to get the program |
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| 22:58.07 | erik5 | jhutchins_lt: I'm kind of trying to figure out if it is possible with nothing new |
| 22:58.25 | streuner | erik5: then you should just use interfaces |
| 22:58.38 | jhutchins_lt | erik5: you can use commands for ifconfig, iwconfig, and iwlist |
| 22:58.42 | erik5 | streuner: What do you mean? |
| 22:58.46 | tfitts | anyone here use webmin to manage a server and have a few minutes to help me out? I'm coming from cpanel and have a few questions. |
| 22:58.56 | jhutchins_lt | !webmin |
| 22:58.56 | dpkg | Webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Removed from Debian post-Sarge, see http://bugs.debian.org/343897 . The Debian package from webmin.com is of poor quality. See <free whcp> for alternatives. |
| 22:59.00 | streuner | erik5: edit /etc/network/interfaces |
| 22:59.26 | tfitts | !free whcp |
| 22:59.26 | dpkg | FOSS Web Hosting Control Panels include: <DTC>, <GNUPanel>, <ISPConfig> and <ispCP> Omega. Don't use <Webmin>. http://wiki.debian.org/HostingControlPanels |
| 22:59.36 | jhutchins_lt | streuner: Why not just set the interface manually? |
| 22:59.47 | abrotman | you can msg the bot ... |
| 22:59.51 | tfitts | any recommendations on a hosting panel? |
| 22:59.53 | streuner | erik5: http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse#Command_Line |
| 23:00.02 | abrotman | tfitts: there's only one in Debian .. dtc |
| 23:00.02 | civillian | tfitts: sshd |
| 23:00.11 | streuner | jhutchins_lt: thats what iam told him? |
| 23:00.11 | jhutchins_lt | tfitts: I recommend ssh |
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| 23:00.48 | jhutchins_lt | streuner: There's no need for permanent settings in interfaces if he just wants to temporarily bypass network-manager and plans to return to it. |
| 23:00.54 | tfitts | oh, I didn't realize ssh is a hosting panel. I thought it was a CLI that I could use to configure a server or do any other number of things. |
| 23:01.38 | karsten | Does Debian support IDEA ciphers in gpg? We've got a file sent to us that appears to be encrypted via IDEA. |
| 23:01.41 | jhutchins_lt | tfitts: I believe using a GUI to configure a server leads to dangerous bad habits. |
| 23:01.55 | jhutchins_lt | tfitts: You need to learn console administration anyway for when the GUI breaks. |
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| 23:02.23 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:02.23 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:02.23 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:02.32 | jhutchins_lt | tfitts: One of the problems with webmin is that you can't always fix what it breaks from the console. |
| 23:03.46 | tfitts | jhutchins_lt: I'm not set on webmin, and between what I know and google I can figure out most things from the command line. That said, I'd rather use a console for doing a lot of the management that I need to do, though not necessarily webmin. |
| 23:04.25 | abrotman | there's still only one in Debian .. |
| 23:05.47 | overclucker | karsten: probably not, there are patent issues with that. |
| 23:06.16 | tfitts | and is dtc any good? |
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| 23:07.03 | abrotman | try it .. let us know :) |
| 23:07.10 | tfitts | ok, will do |
| 23:07.26 | jhutchins_lt | We had a guy in here a few days ago who got locked out if his system by Webmin. Broke his ssh, then broke itself. |
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| 23:09.43 | jhutchins_lt | I think he had to pay the hosting company for a re-install. |
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| 23:13.34 | HSorgYves | morning, i read that the debian bind9 package would support geoip... can anyone confirm this? |
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| 23:14.22 | abrotman | would or do? |
| 23:15.28 | HSorgYves | abrotman: could ;-) not sure if it is compiled with the options activated... i saw the option in the source though... |
| 23:15.52 | HSorgYves | abrotman: is there a way to check HOW (i.e. which options) a package got compiled? |
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| 23:16.16 | abrotman | !tell HSorgYves about debian/rules |
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| 23:17.12 | HSorgYves | thx, will check |
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| 23:20.22 | HSorgYves | abrotman: ok, it is compiled using --with-geoip=/usr |
| 23:21.12 | abrotman | yay! |
| 23:21.25 | abrotman | HSorgYves: though, IIRC, you have to get a license for the geoip stuff ? |
| 23:21.31 | abrotman | it's free for non-comm use |
| 23:21.54 | HSorgYves | abrotman: it depends on the database and the usage |
| 23:22.51 | abrotman | ok |
| 23:23.27 | HSorgYves | abrotman: does it work with this one (http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/amd64/libgeoip1/filelist) or would it need to be compiled as /usr/lib ? |
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| 23:25.06 | streuner | HSorgYves: please ask the channel and not a single person |
| 23:25.18 | HSorgYves | streuner: sorry |
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| 23:28.41 | streuner | HSorgYves: you have a better chance to get an answer in debian-user (ML), because here are about 20-30 who arent idle now... |
| 23:29.26 | streuner | HSorgYves: someone who is involved in bind9 and geoip, i think |
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| 23:30.16 | HSorgYves | streuner: debian-user has 1 person inside?!? |
| 23:31.19 | streuner | surely Maintainer: LaMont Jones <lamont@debian.org> :-P |
| 23:31.30 | jhutchins_lt | HSorgYves: by (ML) streuner meant Mailing List - search the archives then post a question if necessary. For obscure and specialized things it's the only way you'll reach enough people who know about it. |
| 23:31.53 | jhutchins_lt | HSorgYves: You can also use google to see if someone's written up "bind9 geoip on debian". |
| 23:32.33 | HSorgYves | upps, sorry, thx jhutchins_lt |
| 23:33.30 | abrotman | HSorgYves: dunno, never used that part of bind |
| 23:34.16 | streuner | HSorgYves: well, i would just mail Maintainer: LaMont Jones <lamont@debian.org> directly |
| 23:34.42 | streuner | to tell you the truth |
| 23:35.39 | HSorgYves | thx for all those suggestions |
| 23:35.47 | streuner | no worries |
| 23:35.58 | karsten | overclucker: Looks like there's a module which can be compiled. |
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| 23:36.39 | karsten | (gpg / IDEA) -- the other apparent option is to list allowed/disallowed ciphers on the key somehow. I'm trying to find that. I don't see a PGP/GPG channel here. |
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| 23:37.07 | karsten | um, no, there is ;-) |
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| 23:37.52 | abrotman | karsten: its' #gnupg |
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| 23:38.13 | HSorgYves | i think i will get some sleep now; good night everyone |
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| 23:38.24 | streuner | HSorgYves: good night |
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| 23:39.29 | jhutchins_lt | Late nights and long hours seldom produce good results in IT. It's surprizing how many people and projects insist on them. |
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| 23:40.28 | jwh1981 | Debian Squeeze installed on a K6-2 400mhz with 64 megs of ram :) |
| 23:40.42 | jwh1981 | Im IRC'n from that box right now too |
| 23:40.48 | streuner | surely lot of fun :-P |
| 23:41.15 | gabesubdo | my old PII 350 box is still running, squeeze as well |
| 23:41.33 | streuner | omg, another machoist |
| 23:41.35 | gabesubdo | 256MB in it, so it's arguably useful too |
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| 23:41.45 | jwh1981 | I had an old PII 350 with 2*500gig hd's that ran for about 5 years before a drive died. |
| 23:41.48 | nsadmin | jwh1981, where emacs means Eight Megs And Constantly Swapping? |
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| 23:41.53 | karsten | abrotman: Yeah, found it. alis didn't know about it though AFAIR. |
| 23:42.16 | streuner | nsadmin: yeah, constantly... |
| 23:42.23 | jwh1981 | nsadmin, it is completely commandline with irssi |
| 23:42.30 | jwh1981 | So, no lag at all |
| 23:42.35 | nsadmin | oh, that's no so bad |
| 23:42.54 | nsadmin | good for a router |
| 23:43.03 | gabesubdo | I used to run an IRC bouncer on my box, plus a bunch of other services |
| 23:43.09 | gabesubdo | current RAM usage is 38MB :) |
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| 23:43.59 | jwh1981 | A friend of mine wanted me to reinstall XP on it since he said it was "slow". |
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| 23:44.18 | jwh1981 | Well as soon as I saw it, I gave him a faster P4 as a trade to help him out |
| 23:44.26 | jwh1981 | Plus I like old hardware :) |
| 23:44.36 | jwh1981 | This is a Gateway Profile 1.5 all in one |
| 23:44.54 | gabesubdo | I just wish the iBook I got for free actually worked |
| 23:45.08 | gabesubdo | 600MHz G3, got halfway through installing Squeeze before it died |
| 23:45.32 | jhutchins_lt | has been assiduously taking his old hardware to the recyclers and is down form about 250 PC's at peak to a handful. |
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| 23:46.11 | jwh1981 | lol I never hit 250, but I easily have a dozen working ones (not including servers) |
| 23:46.34 | jhutchins_lt | I had a couple of batches of obsoletes from an office I supported. |
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| 23:47.12 | jwh1981 | jhutchins_lt, same here. My company is getting rid of older P4's and Ive picked up a few for a LTSP project |
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| 23:47.34 | jhutchins_lt | They were mostly P II ~600 iirc. Compact profile. |
| 23:47.35 | abrotman | points at #debian-offtopic |
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| 23:47.45 | abrotman | jhutchins_lt: wrong |
| 23:47.56 | jhutchins_lt | P4's eat lots of power. |
| 23:48.15 | jwh1981 | Yea, these are prescott's and just drink power |
| 23:49.26 | jwh1981 | I put Squeeze on a few just to learn Bind and how to setup my own strictly Intranet (kinda like how N Korea does it). |
| 23:50.26 | jwh1981 | I'm out dinner time |
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| 23:54.44 | sidewalk | anyone running xbmc on debian? |
| 23:55.17 | abrotman | and if they are? |
| 23:55.33 | sidewalk | nah just asking for working repo for the eden build |
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| 23:55.50 | streuner | dpkg, xbmc |
| 23:55.50 | dpkg | XBMC Media Center (formerly Xbox Media Center) is an open source media player application. <ITP> filed in Debian bug #469397; ask me about <dmm> for unofficial packages. "XBMC Live" is a Linux distribution based on <Ubuntu> containing XBMC for Linux, it is not supported in #debian. http://xbmc.org/ #xbmc on irc.freenode.net. See also <based on Debian>. |
| 23:55.59 | abrotman | sidewalk: why wouldn'yt you ask the xbmc people? |
| 23:56.05 | abrotman | or wait for streuner to spam the channel . yay |
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| 23:56.13 | sidewalk | i am asking em, thought i would multitask :D |
| 23:56.14 | streuner | haha |
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| 23:56.28 | sidewalk | tnx streuner |
| 23:56.39 | abrotman | streuner: not amusing |
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| 23:59.04 | joseph__ | hello |
| 23:59.20 | joseph__ | anybody running SID on production Servers |
| 23:59.26 | streuner | no |
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| 23:59.34 | streuner | only insane people would do that |
| 23:59.52 | *** join/#debian lasher (~lasher@r180-216-88-232.cpe.vividwireless.net.au) |
| 23:59.53 | nsadmin | joseph__, really really bad idea |
