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| 00:01.15 | rhenani | wald0: are you still there? |
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| 00:05.52 | nebukad | hi |
| 00:06.14 | ghostlines_ | hey I can't find rbash in Wheezy, strange... |
| 00:06.31 | abrotman | judd: file rbash --release wheezy |
| 00:06.36 | judd | Search for rbash in wheezy/i386: bash: bin/rbash |
| 00:06.42 | abrotman | wasn't so hard ... |
| 00:07.00 | nebukad | i have a brand new 2TB HDD and jsut formatted it for the first time. wanted to create a ext4 partitioncovering the full size. now the debian partitioning tool says the partition is misalined by 512 bytes.. |
| 00:07.29 | ghostlines_ | abrotman, whoops it's installed standard :), thx |
| 00:08.07 | abrotman | would think you would try to execute it first ? :) |
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| 00:11.33 | z28 | nebukad: iirc the MBR is 512 bytes, that may be the glitch |
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| 00:12.36 | nebukad | hmm |
| 00:12.49 | nebukad | but i dont get the warning with another drive |
| 00:12.59 | nebukad | could it be because of the size of 2TB? |
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| 00:14.04 | z28 | nebukad: I wouldn't think so, more likely a bug with ext4? I don't know |
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| 00:14.44 | z28 | nebukad: what did you format with? |
| 00:15.20 | nebukad | with this partitioning tool in gnome |
| 00:15.24 | nebukad | it comes with the basic installation |
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| 00:16.01 | kevlarman | nebukad: does the partition start on a 4k boundery? |
| 00:16.01 | z28 | nebukad: I would use a gparted live cd or another tool and see what happens. |
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| 00:16.40 | abrotman | nebukad: using squeeze ? |
| 00:16.44 | nebukad | kevlarman, what do you mean by that. the partition covers all free space |
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| 00:17.33 | abrotman | !gpt |
| 00:17.34 | dpkg | GPT (GUID Partition Table) is a disk partition format frequently used by firmware compliant with the Extensible Firmware Interface (EFI). util-linux-ng's <fdisk> does not support GPT, ask me about <parted>. http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-gpt/ |
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| 00:20.11 | renke2 | Hi |
| 00:20.26 | nebukad | abrotman, yes squeeze |
| 00:21.33 | renke2 | How can I set environment variables that a picked up by GUI applications. I want to set the default input method for GTK applications, for instance. I tried to set the variables in my .zshenv but to no avail. |
| 00:22.13 | abrotman | renke2: probably more like in /etc/ |
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| 00:22.40 | renke2 | mh, but that would be for all users, wouldn't it? |
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| 00:23.33 | mfridh | anyone else's iceweasel segfaulting? ... |
| 00:24.14 | abrotman | mfridh: that's kind of vague? Squeeze? Sid? 9? 10? 3? |
| 00:24.48 | mfridh | Squeeze, it was 9, but I upgraded to 10 today and it feels like it only got worse |
| 00:24.57 | abrotman | did you try a strace ? |
| 00:25.00 | gturner | what's the program that makes loopback mounting a disk image file with partition table super easy? I use it so rarely i've fogotten |
| 00:25.02 | mfridh | yep |
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| 00:25.09 | mfridh | I can put the strace up |
| 00:25.24 | nebukad | abrotman, so i should try GUID? |
| 00:25.40 | nebukad | im trying to format but now it says device is busy |
| 00:25.45 | abrotman | nebukad: i think that's the idea |
| 00:26.12 | gturner | seem to recall the name of this program is something like "kdev" |
| 00:27.26 | abrotman | gturner: apt-cache search loopback ? |
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| 00:27.37 | twisted` | hmm, on this PC I have here I got USB1 and USB2 |
| 00:27.45 | twisted` | but I got like 6 ports at the back and 2 at the front |
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| 00:27.57 | twisted` | how can I check to which USB hub the HDD is now connected/ |
| 00:28.12 | orzo | xorriso man page advertises different modes such as "grow" versus "modify" or "create" but there is no documented switch for forcing a mode |
| 00:28.42 | gturner | abrotman: none of those :\ |
| 00:28.52 | ksx4system | how can I check how much of RAM memory uses indicated application? |
| 00:28.53 | abrotman | gturner: apt-cache search mount image ? |
| 00:28.59 | orzo | i want to grow an iso, but all i can see is -grow_blindly and thats not quite right |
| 00:29.01 | abrotman | twisted`: lsusb ? |
| 00:29.14 | abrotman | gturner: i'm guessing here .. you'll have to find the magic thing to search for |
| 00:29.23 | twisted` | abrotman: thanks |
| 00:29.28 | twisted` | dang it's still on the usb 1.1 port |
| 00:29.35 | twisted` | time for russian roulette once more |
| 00:30.23 | nebukad | how do i stop a drive from being busy. its not even mounted |
| 00:30.46 | mfridh | abrotman: http://static.tmtowtdi.se/tmp/iceweasel/ |
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| 00:31.48 | abrotman | mfridh: tried safe mode ? |
| 00:32.00 | abrotman | wonders what themill was talking about grabbing a library manually .. |
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| 00:32.09 | abrotman | http://mozilla.debian.net/pool/iceweasel-release/libv/libvpx/ |
| 00:32.44 | mfridh | still crashes |
| 00:32.59 | twisted` | http://pastebin.com/ypfCnmcR maybe I read it wrong, but is it now on the 2.0 hub or not? |
| 00:33.01 | mfridh | as soon as I visit github, boom |
| 00:33.11 | twisted` | cause I tried well almost all ports and it never goes UNDER the 2.0 root hub |
| 00:33.49 | twisted` | ah ok good it IS on USB2, the -t showed me |
| 00:33.50 | twisted` | :D |
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| 00:34.13 | abrotman | mfridh: tried as a new user ? |
| 00:34.23 | mfridh | abrotman: no not yet |
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| 00:34.43 | mfridh | I moved away my .mozilla, disabled all plugins ... tried safemode, disabled all |
| 00:35.37 | bitr | hello. how can i view the build options for the package please? google return only 'how to build package' |
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| 00:38.09 | abrotman | !tell bitr about debian/rules |
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| 00:42.33 | bitr | abrotman: thanks |
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| 00:42.51 | bitr | can i view the file online? |
| 00:43.07 | abrotman | not that i'm aware of |
| 00:43.21 | gturner | kpartx !! |
| 00:44.48 | bitr | hmm.. spice disapeared from the kvm without a word in changelog |
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| 00:49.39 | mfridh | abrotman: uhm,... seems to be working now |
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| 00:50.28 | mfridh | abrotman: did another round of dist-upgrade, rebooted, restored my .mozilla and things seem dandy |
| 00:51.48 | bitr | !help |
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| 00:53.38 | mfridh | abrotman: forget what I said... segfault again |
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| 00:57.14 | abrotman | mfridh: that was quick |
| 00:57.27 | abrotman | mfridh: trieda nother browser? |
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| 00:58.05 | mfridh | abrotman: no other software so far is crashing. Epiphany nor Chromium |
| 00:58.23 | abrotman | though they don't use the same backend |
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| 01:00.09 | mfridh | suggesting I try firefox? |
| 01:00.14 | abrotman | uh .. no |
| 01:00.16 | mfridh | :D |
| 01:00.26 | abrotman | mfridh: can you create a new user and try with that user ? |
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| 01:00.30 | mfridh | sure, brb |
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| 01:02.18 | mfridh | crashes immediately on visiting github |
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| 01:02.30 | mfridh | (not github specific though, crashed on many other sites before) |
| 01:02.45 | mfridh | suspected it was flash related but it crashes even if no plugin whatsoever is enabled |
| 01:02.54 | abrotman | that was fast .... |
| 01:03.04 | abrotman | i doubt github uses flash |
| 01:03.08 | abrotman | which version of IW is this ? |
| 01:03.16 | mfridh | they do on some copy links at least |
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| 01:03.29 | mfridh | iceweasel --version => Mozilla Iceweasel 10.0 |
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| 01:05.13 | mfridh | I just wish everything else wasn't working so god damn well so I could just go replace some DIMM or something |
| 01:05.35 | abrotman | let me check my version |
| 01:05.36 | mfridh | I'm gonna purge iceweasel completely and reinstall |
| 01:05.39 | rexer | anybody have any tips for upgrading from kernel 2.6 to 3.2? |
| 01:05.41 | abrotman | what URL specificially ? |
| 01:05.48 | abrotman | !tell rexer about bpo |
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| 01:06.13 | mfridh | abrotman: https://github.com/ will suffice to crash mine |
| 01:06.19 | abrotman | mfridh: i'm on 9 here, but it loads fine |
| 01:06.27 | rexer | bpo? |
| 01:06.47 | mfridh | I even tried rebooting kernel 2.6.35 |
| 01:06.47 | abrotman | rexer: see what the bot told you |
| 01:06.59 | mfridh | since I'm on 2.6.39 bpo for wireless driver support etc |
| 01:07.44 | abrotman | you could try ick .. loading the 3.5.x that came with squeeze |
| 01:07.47 | rexer | !tell rexer about bpo |
| 01:08.01 | abrotman | the bot already told you once |
| 01:08.11 | rexer | i didnt see anything on the screen. |
| 01:08.17 | rexer | must be on a diffrent screen |
| 01:09.07 | abrotman | probably |
| 01:10.42 | somiaj | "I'm not a pessimist I'm an Optometrist" |
| 01:11.04 | kazagistar | I installed stable, then updated to testing, and things seem to be working except (1) I have no idea how to get sound working and (2) youtube and other flash stuff seems to run at 2 times the normal speed |
| 01:11.05 | somiaj | opps wrong chan, sorry |
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| 01:11.29 | mfridh | reinstall didn't help... |
| 01:11.53 | rexer | abrotman: i already added deb http://backports.debian.org/debian-backports squeeze-backports main |
| 01:11.56 | somiaj | kazagistar: /msg dpkg alsa-checklist and also learn to check the bts |
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| 01:15.07 | mfridh | abrotman: guess i'm back at 3.5 then ... this is so messed up |
| 01:16.43 | kazagistar | somiaj: I have no idea what that is supposed to mean :( |
| 01:17.39 | rexer | abrotman: apt-get -t squeeze-backports install firmware-linux-nonfree ; firmware-linux-nonfree is already the newest version. |
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| 01:24.42 | somiaj | kazagistar: /msg dpkg alsa-checklist is a bot command here and the bts, well /msg dpkg bts |
| 01:24.45 | abrotman | rexer: i thought you watned a kernel ? |
| 01:24.56 | somiaj | kazagistar: things someone who wants to run testing should be familar with. |
| 01:25.34 | lostson_ | yeah almost 8 |
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| 01:26.32 | rexer | abrotman: the problem still stands when i boot with 2.6.32-5-amd64 the video and keyboard are non responsive; the only way to boot is in recovery mode... so i tried installing firmware non-free and it still says up2date. |
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| 01:26.58 | rexer | abrotman: so trying out 3.2.2... |
| 01:27.02 | el_seano | hey guys, I'm having some issues getting GRUB to install on the MBR of this two disk setup I have. |
| 01:27.09 | el_seano | the partition scheme I've got is thus: |
| 01:27.14 | el_seano | 2X300GB SATA HDDs |
| 01:27.28 | el_seano | a RAID1 device at 500MB for the /boot |
| 01:27.42 | el_seano | a RAID0 device at 299.5GB for LVM |
| 01:27.53 | el_seano | the LVM worked out fine, packages installed and so forth |
| 01:28.11 | el_seano | but installing grub on the MBR for my two disks keeps failing without any specified reasons. |
| 01:28.37 | el_seano | I've rewritten the partition scheme a couple of times, made sure my mount points are correctly set up, and the proper partitions are marked bootable. |
| 01:28.40 | el_seano | still no dice |
| 01:28.44 | el_seano | is there anything obvious I'm forgetting? |
| 01:28.59 | rexer | re-inventing the wheel? |
| 01:29.06 | el_seano | rexer: always? |
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| 01:31.19 | rexer | do you just love it when it "keeps failing without any specified reasons" |
| 01:31.39 | oza|w | im having some problems upgrading some packages, i need to remove libcupsys2 and install libcups2 but it is not letting me |
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| 01:32.49 | el_seano | rexer: not really sure what's your asking? the errors I was getting were almost verbatim "GRUB failed to install, fatal error". I poked around syslog and partman and didn't find anything stating additional details. |
| 01:32.55 | el_seano | I can pastie those, if that would help |
| 01:33.22 | rexer | not for me... |
| 01:33.51 | rexer | im compiling kernel 3.2.2 with all the modules under the sun... trying to get a video display working again. |
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| 01:34.54 | oza|w | here is a pastebin to my isntall problems with apt http://paste.debian.net/154573/ |
| 01:38.00 | abrotman | rexer: did the new kernel hel p? |
| 01:38.21 | rexer | abrotman: still compiling.. |
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| 01:39.00 | abrotman | rexer: wait .. why? it's at backports.org |
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| 01:39.41 | rexer | abrotman: cp /boot/config-`uname -r` .config && yes "" | make oldconfig ; fakeroot make-kpkg --initrd --revision=1+i --append-to-version=-20120126 kernel-image kernel-headers |
| 01:39.57 | abrotman | judd: kernels |
| 01:39.58 | judd | Available kernel versions are: sid: 3.2.0-1-686-pae (3.2.2-1); wheezy: 3.1.0-1-686-pae (3.1.8-2); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.1-686-pae (3.2.1-2~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-41); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-35~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-27) |
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| 01:41.34 | el_seano | kicks his tower. |
| 01:42.37 | abrotman | rexer: 3.2.0 is in backports.debian.org .. you don't have t compile it |
| 01:43.01 | dvs | it's not even in wheezy |
| 01:43.18 | rexer | abrotman: 64bit? |
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| 01:46.21 | abrotman | rexer: sure ... |
| 01:46.21 | pzn | I need to research about packet-priority methods, bandwidth control and so on... can anyone give me good words/protocol names/software namesto search in google? |
| 01:46.21 | abrotman | !tell pzn about wondershaper |
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| 01:47.19 | pzn | abrotman, i have wondershaper running ok here :-) it is a good software. However I need to make a "research" comparing methods for an article. I found "HTB", is there any other good methods to compare? |
| 01:47.54 | abrotman | so i should do your home work ? |
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| 01:49.12 | pzn | abrotman, no... just give me some "protocol names" then I can start researching... do you know if new 3.0/3.2 kernels implement some new method? |
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| 01:56.20 | abrotman | hi |
| 01:56.31 | dvs | yo |
| 01:56.45 | abrotman | not you |
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| 01:56.54 | abrotman | the apparent troll that just joined |
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| 01:57.24 | *** kick/#debian [SantorumPoo!~abrotman@pdpc/supporter/active/abrotman] by abrotman (you should know better) |
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| 01:57.34 | abrotman | that was suposed to be a ban too .. hrm |
| 01:58.24 | dvs | but i'm still here!!!! |
| 01:58.47 | pzn | abrotman, I received many racism private messages from Kuntsleim (that you have just kicked out). thanks for kicking him |
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| 01:59.58 | dvs | heh |
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| 02:00.40 | NotJimCarrey | anyone know how to cat multiple lines of text into a file including tabs? |
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| 02:01.18 | abrotman | you can't echo 'foo\tbar' >> file ? |
| 02:01.26 | abrotman | replace \t with an actual tab |
| 02:02.07 | pzn | NotJimCarrey, maybe this: (cat file1; echo -en "\t"; cat file2) >> outputfile |
| 02:02.55 | D-Boy | how to 'simulate' this command : 'aptitude install package' without installing anything ? just to see what packages will be needed/recommended |
| 02:03.01 | twisted` | what do you want to do exactly? copy multiple lines into a file and adding a tab in front of it/ |
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| 02:03.11 | abrotman | D-Boy: man aptitude .. it has a dry run/simulation mode |
| 02:03.21 | NotJimCarrey | like: echo '\tOption\t\t\"BlankTime\"\t\t\"0\"' ? |
| 02:03.34 | twisted` | awk? |
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| 02:04.27 | alfex | Hi. http://alsa-project.org/db/?f=26fd59d25d5b02acc19ab998e7a4bb04a5bb8eb8 |
| 02:04.30 | D-Boy | abrotman : thx |
| 02:04.58 | pzn | abrotman, wondershaper is from 2002; linux advanced routing and traffic control is from 2005. do you know if things about traffic shaping/priorities haven't changed in the last 7 years? no new method? |
| 02:05.02 | alfex | I am not getting any sound output... |
| 02:05.25 | abrotman | pzn: you tell me ... |
| 02:06.05 | acrossad | Is appropriate for me to paste a link to a Linux petition on WhiteHouse.gov here? |
| 02:06.12 | abrotman | no |
| 02:06.37 | acrossad | ok ty..are there any good channels for this that anyone knows of? |
| 02:07.06 | abrotman | acrossad: #defocus |
| 02:07.24 | acrossad | ty abrotman! Have a great night all! |
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| 02:08.11 | abrotman | and/or slashdot ... |
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| 02:08.47 | skrite | hey all |
| 02:09.45 | skrite | I am looking to buy an SSD. Is there a good database that is easy to use to find out whether a piece of hardware is well supported in Linux? |
| 02:10.20 | abrotman | skrite: AIUI, it's a storage device .. |
| 02:10.26 | pzn | abrotman, interesting... found a good start point! will get a new kernel and check its config for CONFIG_NET_SCH_* options... so I'll know if a new 3.x kernel has some new technologies :-) |
| 02:10.30 | abrotman | isn't it presented as a HDD ? |
| 02:10.36 | alfex | I see No sound servers found. So this is the problem? |
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| 02:12.02 | skrite | abrotman: AIUI ? |
| 02:12.04 | Johnny_Giggles | Hi everyone. I'm looking to switch from Ubuntu to something else because I don't like Unity. I like GNOME 2 and I'm sad that it's being discontinued. What's the default GUI in Debian these days? |
| 02:12.24 | skrite | Johnny_Giggles: you may really like XFCE4 |
| 02:12.40 | dvs | Johnny_Giggles: gnome 2 |
| 02:13.56 | Johnny_Giggles | What's the current unstable distro GUI? |
| 02:14.07 | dvs | gnome 3 |
| 02:15.00 | NotJimCarrey | okay, does this look right? echo \t'Option'\t\t'"BlankTime"'\t\t'"0"' >> /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 02:16.27 | abrotman | Johnny_Giggles: gnome2 is going away .. either get used to gnome3 or pick osmething else |
| 02:16.39 | NotJimCarrey | xfce4 ftw |
| 02:16.40 | NotJimCarrey | lol |
| 02:16.45 | abrotman | i like gnome3 |
| 02:16.52 | dvs | O_O |
| 02:17.10 | abrotman | what's so bad about it ? |
| 02:17.23 | NotJimCarrey | i started working on ARM systems and xfce4 since it's lightweight, and just grew to prefer it |
| 02:17.23 | abrotman | it works for me .. if it doens't work for you .. find osmething else |
| 02:17.31 | abrotman | NotJimCarrey: try LXDE |
| 02:17.40 | dvs | I don't use it. Just yanking your chain. |
| 02:17.48 | NotJimCarrey | i'll have to check that out |
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| 02:20.25 | somiaj | I liked the few things I saw of LXDE on the live system |
| 02:21.08 | somiaj | Johnny_Giggles: if you like gnome2 then you will find stable to your liking, this have to run testing/unstable just means you get to fix your system more often than needed. |
| 02:21.20 | abrotman | and not have gnome2 :) |
| 02:22.07 | somiaj | stable will be getting security fixes for at least the next year, maybe up to two. So you have time to wait for either gnome3 to become more to your liking or find a new wm |
| 02:22.08 | NotJimCarrey | i'm actually using gnome2 now, but that's just because the release version of thunar doesn't play well with network shares |
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| 02:22.49 | gregounours2 | Anybody knows where keybind config files are in Debian lode |
| 02:22.58 | abrotman | lode? |
| 02:23.13 | gregounours2 | Lxde sorry |
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| 02:23.43 | gregounours2 | In wheexy |
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| 02:24.22 | gregounours2 | Wheezy (sorry about typos tablet keyborad sucks) |
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| 02:24.43 | NotJimCarrey | if nvidia drivers worked better in ced, i'd be using it, but i kinda need x sometimes |
| 02:24.46 | pzn | is it possible to add an SSD drive in debian and make it "act as a buffer/speedup" for the HDDs? |
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| 02:25.16 | NotJimCarrey | dammit, stupid git keeps hanging |
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| 02:25.43 | somiaj | pzn: I haven't noticed that much of a speed difference with my SSD, though I don't boot my system that often and the slight speed in launching applications isn't that noticable |
| 02:26.11 | somiaj | pzn: but ram cache is basically buffer/speedup for hdds |
| 02:26.12 | NotJimCarrey | i use an ssd as the system drive in my media server, DEFINATE speed increase |
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| 02:27.21 | gregounours2 | Pan: install system app and swap on SSS, file on hdd |
| 02:27.40 | pzn | somiaj, NotJimCarrey: I want to speed up the "data", not the "system". currently data is running in 4x 7200rpm HDD, raid10. think it is a little bit slow when everybody demands HD data... thinking about some way to improve throughput |
| 02:27.47 | gregounours2 | Usually that speeds up things abit |
| 02:28.33 | gregounours2 | Hmmm that's above my pay grade |
| 02:28.35 | somiaj | pzn: well you know how ram cache works, think you could make it one swap device and increase caching to tell it to use the hdd (not sure how to do that since by default it doesn't think hdd swap is faster than just writing to the hd) |
| 02:29.13 | somiaj | pzn: but maybe if you look into how linux caches data you can find a way to force it to use the sdd/swap during times of high load. |
| 02:29.14 | gnarface | pzn: add ram for more caching |
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| 02:29.32 | robert__ | hey guys |
| 02:29.44 | robert__ | anyone around? |
| 02:29.54 | dvs | nope |
| 02:29.54 | gnarface | yes |
| 02:30.02 | gnarface | we're here, but we're surly |
| 02:30.04 | NotJimCarrey | maybe |
| 02:30.07 | robert__ | lol |
| 02:30.07 | robert__ | i have 2 monitors and my nvidia driver has chosen the wrong one for the primary monitor |
| 02:30.15 | robert__ | how do i go about remedying this? |
| 02:30.50 | NotJimCarrey | System/Administration/NVidia X Server Settings |
| 02:31.08 | somiaj | robert__: if you are using the nvidia driver use nvidia-settings tool |
| 02:31.12 | robert__ | yeah i know |
| 02:31.17 | robert__ | but i dont see a way to change the primary monitor |
| 02:31.23 | robert__ | unless i missed something somewhere O_ |
| 02:31.23 | pzn | somiaj, gnarface: I'll add more 4Gb of ram, and test if performance is good. it will be easier and less cost comparing to add ssd or other alternatives... |
| 02:31.26 | somiaj | robert__: you may have to write a custom config for default, but that will give you the output you need |
| 02:31.26 | robert__ | O_O( |
| 02:31.49 | nutron | What package manages/writes hostname? |
| 02:31.54 | nutron | or is it a whole slew? |
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| 02:32.19 | robert__ | somiaj, O_O |
| 02:32.31 | somiaj | pzn: yea, also google 'linux file cache' if you want more info about how by default it uses extra ram to speed up hdds by doing just what you want. |
| 02:32.52 | pzn | somiaj, in the case where: (xen server: 4xhdd in raid10, lvm, partition; xen host: partition ext4). should I add more ram to xen server or to xen host? |
| 02:33.14 | gnarface | pzn: there's also the issue of whether your filesystem's block sizes, the raid stripe sizes, and the physical block sizes of the harddrives all line up to some magic common denominator that will make them operate like planets in alignment instead of like lopsided moons but its beyond my level of expertise to actually do that |
| 02:34.32 | robert__ | somiaj, comiz --replace produces the following: |
| 02:34.32 | robert__ | Xlib: extension "RANDR" missing on display ":0.0". |
| 02:34.34 | robert__ | any ideas? |
| 02:34.54 | somiaj | pzn: really don't know how caching would work in something like that, it may actually depend on how you have it setup |
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| 02:35.21 | somiaj | robert__: the non-free nvidia drivers to not have randr support afiak. |
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| 02:35.47 | robert__ | somiaj, they did 2 months ago |
| 02:35.48 | robert__ | O_ |
| 02:35.49 | robert__ | O_O |
| 02:35.56 | robert__ | somiaj, like this was working on my last install |
| 02:36.04 | scwizard | alright, I gotta configure this USB wireless card using only the contents of the net install CD |
| 02:36.29 | somiaj | robert__: oh nice, well check xvidinfo, glxinfo, /var/log/Xorg.0.log see if there is any issues with yoru setup |
| 02:36.41 | robert__ | kj |
| 02:36.43 | robert__ | k* |
| 02:36.44 | somiaj | robert__: yea didn't raelize they added it. I just have been happy writing custom xorg.conf myself |
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| 02:37.02 | robert__ | hmm |
| 02:37.09 | robert__ | somiaj, i dont get why this stuff has stopped working |
| 02:37.19 | NotJimCarrey | i have my system boot to init level 3 in fb, and if i startx, the tty's no longer work. is there a fix for that? |
| 02:37.27 | robert__ | my HDD corrupted, i got sent another one and when i did the re-install all this crap happens |
| 02:37.27 | robert__ | O_O |
| 02:37.29 | somiaj | robert__: well what version of debian are you running, most likely not stable |
| 02:37.35 | robert__ | somiaj, its squeeze |
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| 02:37.46 | robert__ | the kernel is backported, but it was on the last install too |
| 02:37.48 | somiaj | robert__: then what version of the non-free drivers do you have and how did you install them. |
| 02:38.02 | robert__ | somiaj, the NVIDIA drivers i got from the NVIDIA site |
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| 02:38.43 | somiaj | robert__: that really isn't supported by #debian, maybe try the nvidia-installer remove tool, and reinstall them. Check your logs, try to figure out why they aren't loading randr support correctly. It could be you are just missing some package because you didn't install things though apt/dpkg |
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| 02:39.06 | robert__ | somiaj, once again, this worked last time i dont get why it wouldnt work this time |
| 02:39.09 | scwizard | ifconfig and no wlan :( |
| 02:39.10 | scwizard | what now |
| 02:39.22 | robert__ | somiaj, ill try a restart - see if that fixes things - it sometimes clears cobwebs out |
| 02:39.35 | pzn | nutron, I think package name is "initscripts" |
| 02:39.43 | somiaj | robert__: well what you are doing isn't really supported and tested, start looking though your logs, dmesg, etc. You should find something useful. |
| 02:40.11 | somiaj | scwizard: most likely missing non-free firmware for your card. also did you type 'ifconfig -a' |
| 02:40.20 | pzn | nutron, actually, I didn't find a package which has /etc/hostname... however "initscripts" has /etc/init.d/hostname |
| 02:40.25 | somiaj | scwizard: 'dmesg' look for info about your wlan card and see if it is complaing about missing firmware |
| 02:40.36 | moosewoler | #flood |
| 02:40.36 | somiaj | scwizard: if you are on squeeze and have a fairly new wlan device, you may need a backported kernel. |
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| 02:42.14 | savr | hi |
| 02:42.28 | savr | should I leave locales unconfigured on a server |
| 02:42.40 | savr | or configure it to all langs? |
| 02:42.52 | somiaj | savr: the suggestion is to not have a default, but to have built any locales you expect your users to need |
| 02:43.04 | savr | ok |
| 02:43.10 | savr | so select all |
| 02:43.18 | scwizard | somiaj, it reconizes that there's a usb thing attached and its from cisco, so I should be fine |
| 02:43.29 | savr | it takes a long time to build all the locales |
| 02:43.52 | savr | I built them last night… this morning I upgrade and it is rebuilding them |
| 02:43.55 | somiaj | scwizard: debian removes non free firmware blobs from the kernel and puts them in non-free packages you have to install sepertally. Check. |
| 02:44.18 | somiaj | scwizard: lots of companies though they have linux support/drivers did it via non-free blobs. |
| 02:44.54 | somiaj | savr: again it depends, they are for people you give shells to. Many cases you don't need all to satisfy your userbase |
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| 02:45.06 | scwizard | somiaj, if ubuntu was able to get the wireless card working without needing to connect to the internet, then doesn't it mean it should be here? |
| 02:45.11 | savr | this is a webserver |
| 02:45.19 | scwizard | after all ti's showing up on dmesg |
| 02:45.28 | savr | no shell users |
| 02:45.30 | somiaj | scwizard: this is not ubuntu, debian has it's own policy about free vs non-free |
| 02:46.00 | scwizard | well rather than guessing if the drivers are there, how can I tell? |
| 02:46.10 | somiaj | scwizard: so two things is either missing non-free firmware and/or needed a backported kernel. In any case dmesg and a bit of invesigation will tell you and it is an easy fix |
| 02:46.14 | scwizard | you said dmesg, which said that a cisco am10 am10 was plugged in |
| 02:46.30 | somiaj | scwizard: didn't say anything about not being able to find firmware? |
| 02:46.31 | scwizard | which is exactly what that is |
| 02:46.41 | scwizard | nope |
| 02:46.49 | pzn | somiaj, gnarface: thanks for the hints... I'll use bonnie++ to benchmark disk, add more ram and benchmark again. |
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| 02:46.55 | somiaj | scwizard: what is your exact card, look it up on the debian wiki, figure out what linux kernel version you need to support it. |
| 02:46.57 | scwizard | nothing about that, and it found and accuratly identified the device |
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| 02:47.22 | somiaj | scwizard: some devices do need backported kernels. |
| 02:47.25 | savr | somiaj: do I need to build all locales for a web server? |
| 02:47.27 | scwizard | what makes you think it's not supported in the running kernel? after all it was able to find the device and such :/ |
| 02:47.47 | nutron | pzn: yeah you just confirmed what I already figured, thanks though. |
| 02:48.03 | somiaj | scwizard: sometimes all that is is the usb driver reciting what it reads off the device but there isn't actually a module to run it. |
| 02:48.16 | scwizard | well how can I ask if there's a module to run it or not? |
| 02:48.23 | scwizard | rather than guessing if there is or isn't? |
| 02:48.36 | somiaj | savr: You need the locales required for the contet given, which is probabaly limited to your programers. |
| 02:48.56 | savr | sooo |
| 02:49.06 | aidalgol | Well, crap. |
| 02:49.13 | savr | if I have a forum |
| 02:49.19 | savr | that could be anything? |
| 02:49.25 | somiaj | savr: though Ive always been slighty confused about what locales do. For the most part pages dont' delever content in all possible locales. |
| 02:49.32 | aidalgol | Since updating my system, my external HDD doesn't show up in /dev |
| 02:49.47 | aidalgol | And I need the data off that. |
| 02:50.14 | somiaj | aidalgol: a usb drive? What do you mean updating? (in debian that means just updating your sources, dosen't mean you ahve ugraded anything) |
| 02:50.27 | aidalgol | somiaj: upgrading, then |
| 02:50.33 | somiaj | aidalgol: upgrading from what to what? |
| 02:50.35 | aidalgol | sudo aptitude safe-upgrade |
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| 02:50.38 | aidalgol | I'm on testing |
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| 02:50.54 | aidalgol | So from wheezy to updated wheezy. |
| 02:51.03 | somiaj | aidalgol: well then you get to debug what went wrong. Try to figure out why you can't see it, most likley a bug/kernel/software conflict. |
| 02:51.23 | somiaj | aidalgol: also make sure you do a full dist-upgrade so you dont' have any old packages before you thing about looking for a bug |
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| 02:51.53 | aidalgol | somiaj: I also ran aptitude full-upgrade, so I shouldn't have any old packages lying around. |
| 02:52.15 | aidalgol | OK, there's nothing obvious dmesg. |
| 02:52.19 | rickrudedude | can anybody point me to a guide to get a live debian onto a 1gb usb key? |
| 02:52.37 | rickrudedude | tried searching and didnt see exactly what i needed |
| 02:53.02 | aidalgol | When I boot up now, I get a message about the module 'unix' not being available. Is that bad? |
| 02:53.11 | somiaj | aidalgol: its usb, unplug it, replug it in? Do you see anything, did you get a kernel upgrade and reboot into it yet? |
| 02:53.55 | aidalgol | somiaj: No kernel upgrade, but I rebooted anyway. |
| 02:53.59 | somiaj | rickrudedude: what do you want to know? You'll have to grab an image small enough to fit on it, I think some of the gnome/kde oens are just slighty to big |
| 02:54.29 | somiaj | rickrudedude: but if you just want to grab an imiage that is under 1gig, you can either use cat or dd to put it right on the usb key |
| 02:54.31 | savr | thanks somiaj |
| 02:54.33 | savr | bye |
| 02:54.37 | rickrudedude | somiaj: yeah, well suggested on a good derivative would be a good place to start as i noticed most required 2gb of space |
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| 02:55.04 | somiaj | rickrudedude: most do? http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/release/current-live/i386/iso-hybrid/ |
| 02:55.27 | somiaj | rickrudedude: gnome only takes 1.1Gig, kde is 1.0Gig (both will proabaly be to big) but the lxde or xfce one are all easily small enough |
| 02:55.51 | aidalgol | somiaj: Unplugging and plugging it back in doesn't make anything appear in dmesg. |
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| 02:56.22 | somiaj | aidalgol: well now it is a debuggin issue, first anyway you can check the it isn't the hdd just failed on you and it was a conicendence? Plug it into another computer? |
| 02:56.43 | somiaj | aidalgol: after that you'll have to check the kernel/usb stuff, and go read the bts see if anyone else has a similar issue |
| 02:56.56 | aidalgol | somiaj: Same problem on my other computer. ...which I also upgraded. |
| 02:57.32 | aidalgol | tries it in another computer. |
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| 02:58.29 | somiaj | aidalgol: if it turns out being the drive, one thing to think about it sometimes the actual usb to sda (or ide for older drives) is cheap and breaks and the actual drive is good and you can remove it from teh case to get the info. |
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| 02:59.29 | GTRsdk | what would someone do on a Debian Wheezy machine to make a bootable Debian Squeeze installer? |
| 02:59.43 | gnarface | if that robert__ guy comes back tell him his problem is probably that since his first install, the newer non-free nvidia drivers have become incompatible with the current version of X11. he'll have to use the nvidia-dkms-whatever package from debian and pray to god he's not using a card in the 9800 range or earlier (cause the workaround doesn't work on them) |
| 03:00.25 | gnarface | GTRsdk: one would go to debian.org and download a bootable debian squeeze installer iso and then burn it to a cd or dd it to a usb key |
| 03:00.37 | aidalgol | somiaj: It shows up on an iMac. |
| 03:00.51 | aidalgol | So it's not the drive. |
| 03:00.51 | GTRsdk | gnarface: So dd will work for making a bootable USB installer? |
| 03:01.32 | somiaj | gnarface: or backport xorg...probabaly a step he did the time before |
| 03:01.51 | gnarface | GTRsdk: dd if=[iso file] of=[your /dev node for your usb key] |
| 03:01.51 | gnarface | GTRsdk: yes, that will work. in fact, so will cp, so long as the target is your usb key's /dev node (maybe /dev/sdb or something like that) |
| 03:02.07 | gnarface | somiaj: no the old enough version is gone |
| 03:02.09 | somiaj | GTRsdk: make or just copy, yes dd if=/path/to/iso of=/path/to/sub stick will work, though it will overwrite everything on it. |
| 03:02.17 | aidalgol | somiaj: Uhhh... nevermind. |
| 03:02.23 | gnarface | somiaj: he'd have to build a pre-ABI change version from source |
| 03:02.23 | aidalgol | looks sheepish. |
| 03:02.30 | somiaj | gnarface: yea I don't actually use stable so I don't notice what changes for that level. |
| 03:02.31 | aidalgol | somiaj: The USB cable was loose. |
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| 03:02.38 | aidalgol | But hang on! |
| 03:03.02 | aidalgol | I thought it couldn't be that, because the drive won't turn on without a USB connection. |
| 03:03.07 | gnarface | somiaj: the no-check-abi hack only works bug free on newer nvidia cards. there are no-so old pci-e models (like the 9800GTX+) out there in droves that just nuts graphically when you force the new driver to load |
| 03:03.29 | aidalgol | But I guess only ground was making contact, and not (all of) the pins. |
| 03:03.37 | aidalgol | tl;dr: false alarm |
| 03:03.47 | aidalgol | (also, aidalgol is an idiot) |
| 03:04.02 | GTRsdk | somiaj: gnarface: Thanks! |
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| 03:04.21 | somiaj | gnarface: ahh yea, I rember the abi change and had to not upgrade for many months, and then my machien kept crasshing turned out my 460gtk died on me, but got it rm'ad and by the time I got it back things worked. (: |
| 03:04.21 | gnarface | GTRsdk: this may sound too easy/too good to be true compared to all the old docs you read but as of squeeze the iso files are magic things that work on usb keys too |
| 03:04.42 | somiaj | aidalgol: sounds like a bad device if the usbcable can get loose like that, I'd keep my eye on it. (: |
| 03:04.48 | NotJimCarrey | i have my system boot to init level 3 in fb, and if i startx, the tty's no longer work. is there a fix for that? |
| 03:05.08 | GTRsdk | gnarface: That's pretty cool. Thanks for the info && thanks for the help! |
| 03:05.17 | somiaj | NotJimCarrey: debian doesn't have a difference in the run levels, so what else did you do? |
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| 03:05.31 | aidalgol | somiaj: I will, but I think it's fine. The cable isn't built in, and it was a bit loose when I moved it to the Mac. |
| 03:05.33 | gnarface | somiaj: yea i had a 9800gtk+ and eventually gave up on Xorg and Nvidia, inc being civil about it so i got a 560Ti on holiday sale |
| 03:06.18 | NotJimCarrey | GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="ro 3" in /etc/default/grub |
| 03:06.24 | somiaj | gnarface: nice, I had to buy a 460gtx when my fan on my 9800 died and it was 50-60 to get a new fan kit or just upgrade. I chose to upgrade, guess I'm now glad I did. (: |
| 03:07.11 | somiaj | NotJimCarrey: well there is no difference in runlevels by default, so that entry doens't do much. Though what does the ro flag do? |
| 03:07.28 | NotJimCarrey | it makes it boot to runlevel 3 |
| 03:08.13 | somiaj | ahh, was thinking read only...but anyways there is no difference in runlevels by default on debian, so if things are having trouble did you change the runlevels at all? |
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| 03:09.02 | NotJimCarrey | i set it to 3 since i don't use x all that much, but when i do, i can't switch to tty1-6 |
| 03:09.33 | NotJimCarrey | well, i can, but there's just the tty label and i can't type anything |
| 03:10.08 | NotJimCarrey | like "Debian GNU/Linux 6.0 pandora tty2" |
| 03:10.26 | NotJimCarrey | at the very bottom of the screen |
| 03:10.33 | somiaj | NotJimCarrey: but why? What did you do to runlevel 3 to turn off X. |
| 03:11.00 | NotJimCarrey | why? because i don't want to automatically run x |
| 03:11.11 | somiaj | by default 3 is no different than 2 |
| 03:11.13 | somiaj | !nodm |
| 03:11.14 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the DM package(s) with "aptitude remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm gdm3 pdm slim". "echo false >/etc/X11/default-display-manager" will also disable the DM, or just hit ctrl-alt-fN to get to a console. nodm is the name of a minimal/automatic display manager (http://www.enricozini.org/sw/nodm/). |
| 03:11.15 | gnarface | NotJimCarrey: that only works on redhat |
| 03:11.37 | somiaj | NotJimCarrey: as I said, the run levels by default are all the same, there should be no difference unless you the admin changed them. |
| 03:11.48 | NotJimCarrey | somiaj, if you add GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="ro 3" to /etc/default/grub, it will boot to runlevel 3 |
| 03:12.05 | somiaj | sure, but run level 3 in debian is the same as run level 2 unless YOU change it |
| 03:12.11 | NotJimCarrey | i know |
| 03:12.39 | somiaj | so it is something you changed in run level 3 causing issues, but if you don't want to run a dm by default read that factiod |
| 03:12.53 | NotJimCarrey | trust me, that's all that's needed to go to what use to be runlevel 3 |
| 03:13.21 | gnarface | oh |
| 03:13.25 | gnarface | woops, mistell |
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| 03:14.49 | GTRsdk | Is it possible to have a netbook not go to sleep when the screen is closed? |
| 03:15.14 | orzo | how does the kernel postinst know which linux-initramfs-tool to use? |
| 03:15.31 | scwizard | which CD has the non free kernel firmware? |
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| 03:16.24 | gnarface | GTRsdk: probably, if disabling acpi and apm doesn't do it though i can't say how |
| 03:16.34 | GTRsdk | scwizard: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/ might help |
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| 03:17.04 | gnarface | scwizard: that's a good question, maybe i can come up with a creative way for you to not need it? |
| 03:17.29 | gnarface | scwizard: does the netboot installer not work for you? |
| 03:17.30 | scwizard | GTRsdk, NOW I learn the existance of this *faceplant* thanks man |
| 03:18.00 | somiaj | GTRsdk: sure, my notebooks don't goto sleep unless I tell them to. It is just a triger on the button. Though I dont' use a DE, maybe all the fancy gnome tools do that by default these days. |
| 03:18.01 | scwizard | gnarface, yeah, I'm trying to use this cisco AM10 usb wireless card |
| 03:18.18 | gnarface | GTRsdk++ |
| 03:18.26 | somiaj | scwizard: what cd are you installing from? |
| 03:18.32 | scwizard | netinst |
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| 03:18.44 | somiaj | scwizard: the netinstall contains the full base system, you do not need internet to install it |
| 03:18.58 | scwizard | yeah but I need internet to install packages |
| 03:19.04 | somiaj | scwizard: you can then copy over the non-free firmware if needed, install it, get the machien online, finish the install. |
| 03:19.05 | gnarface | so inappropriately names |
| 03:19.08 | gnarface | named |
| 03:19.11 | somiaj | but the base system is enough to actually have a system to work. |
| 03:19.21 | gnarface | netinstall disk doesn't require networking. businesscard disk does |
| 03:19.23 | gnarface | boggles |
| 03:19.36 | scwizard | somiaj, that's why my question was "which CD has the non free kernel firmware" |
| 03:19.40 | somiaj | gnarface: yea you need the business card image if you want to install even teh base system from the net, I personally like the base system being on the cd so if you have issues you can get a running system first. |
| 03:19.44 | abrotman | scwizard: none |
| 03:19.59 | gnarface | somiaj: i just thought they put the names backwards, that's all |
| 03:20.00 | abrotman | !tell scwizard about firmware installer |
| 03:20.03 | somiaj | scwizard: well if you install the base system, you can just download and copy over the firmware one small file (as opposed to downloading a full unoffical cd) |
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| 03:20.24 | abrotman | scwizard: no official ISO from Debian has that firmware |
| 03:20.39 | gnarface | heh yea, you could just download the WHOLE FIRST DISK |
| 03:20.51 | gnarface | but you're only gonna need like 30% of it |
| 03:21.16 | somiaj | gnarface: yea its a love/hate relationship with me and debian and their non-free stance, I love their stance, but dealing with the non-free kernel blobs needs to be slightly easier. |
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| 03:21.52 | somiaj | and yes it would be great if wireless cards didn't need it. |
| 03:22.30 | somiaj | one thing I found useful is the hdd-usb images of debian-live actually make an partition for the image on your usb stick so it is easy to make a secondary partition to put on some firware debs. |
| 03:22.37 | gnarface | somiaj: it would help a lot more if there wasn't borderline resentment from even the vendors that ARE willing to support linux. but i don't know how to fix it. that ABI change in X11 was seen as purposefully antagonistic by Nvidia's development staff |
| 03:23.01 | gnarface | somiaj: they literally may stop all Linux support because of it |
| 03:23.07 | gnarface | somiaj: or at least all X11 support |
| 03:23.26 | GTRsdk | gnarface: okay DD ran, but the computer seems to freeze at the BIOS. Do I need to set any flags? |
| 03:24.02 | somiaj | GTRsdk: what do you mean, you can't even get though POST and select the usbstick to boot form with that bios? |
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| 03:24.14 | scwizard | how do I tell if a piece of firmware is installed for a device? |
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| 03:24.23 | somiaj | gnarface: its a constant battle, zelots on all sides. |
| 03:24.24 | gnarface | GTRsdk: at the bios? you mean *after* the bios post right? i had an old p3 system that was freezing on booting the squeeze disk that i had to pass no-hlt to the boot kernel for |
| 03:24.33 | GTRsdk | somiaj: gnarface: It looks like it is working now |
| 03:24.39 | cerales | Can anyone recommend a good command line tool for user account management? |
| 03:24.42 | scwizard | when I say dmesg it doesn't say anything about missing firmware, but clearly the device isn't working |
| 03:24.47 | somiaj | scwizard: the module should complain if it isn't there in dmesg. if it is there it usually says it is loaded correctly in dmesg |
| 03:24.56 | GTRsdk | it was the BIOS that got stuck at the loading screen the first time around |
| 03:25.06 | somiaj | cerales: adduser / rmuser |
| 03:25.23 | scwizard | somiaj, in this case the device will be correctly identified in dmesg, and there's no complaints about missing firmware, however it still doesn't work |
| 03:25.27 | gnarface | scwizard: dpkg -l |grep firmware |
| 03:25.30 | somiaj | cerales: though useradd if you want more basic control and not default to a login system user |
| 03:25.36 | cerales | I was hoping there'd be something a little more interactive / more intuitively scriptable. I'd like to be able to run scripts that sync the setup against some kind of config |
| 03:25.50 | somiaj | scwizard: what is your exact device, some of those moder usb wireless cards need a backported kernel. |
| 03:26.13 | somiaj | cerales: modify /etc/passwd /etc/group directally with the script/ |
| 03:27.23 | scwizard | somiaj, that's another way of saying, that I'll be able to install squeeze? |
| 03:27.29 | scwizard | but not wheezy? |
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| 03:27.40 | GTRsdk | gnarface: is ext3 any good nowadays? |
| 03:27.57 | somiaj | scwizard: no, backproted kernels are made for this, and run just fine on squeeze |
| 03:28.09 | somiaj | scwizard: again what is your exact device. I want to find it in the debian wiki |
| 03:28.19 | scwizard | oh I thoguht I said, cisco am10 |
| 03:28.33 | somiaj | scwizard: that is all, was hoping for more offical chipset sounding name |
| 03:28.35 | gnarface | GTRsdk: i still use reiserfs but most people here are gonna tell you to go with ext4 because it *almost* made it to being the default in squeeze |
| 03:28.42 | somiaj | scwizard: give me the output for that device from 'lsubs |
| 03:28.45 | somiaj | 'lsusb' |
| 03:28.47 | scwizard | ok |
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| 03:29.27 | GTRsdk | gnarface: and btrfs is too experimental for practical purposes? |
| 03:29.50 | gnarface | GTRsdk: well, too experimental for mine at least. you'd be best asking someone who's had the guts to try it |
| 03:29.56 | somiaj | isn't there a hidden bug in ext4 until 2.6.37 or so kernel? But except for that, all test so ext4 is better than ext3 in most ways, so really choice is ext2 or ext4 (dending if you want jourling) |
| 03:30.37 | somiaj | GTRsdk: saw a nice benchmark between btrfs, ext3/4, riserfs, and btrfs just chokes except in a very very specilaize test |
| 03:31.50 | scwizard | somiaj, Transcend Information, Inc. TS2GJF210 JetFlash 210 2GB |
| 03:32.53 | somiaj | scwizard: that sounds like a sub thumb drive (2GB?) Seems like a strange chipset |
| 03:32.59 | gnarface | GTRsdk: reiserfs is a poor choice if you work with files above 1GB in size a lot (especially if you have to delete them a lot) |
| 03:33.06 | gnarface | GTRsdk: otherwise its snappy |
| 03:33.18 | gnarface | GTRsdk: it does very well with stuff below 4k in size |
| 03:33.24 | gnarface | GTRsdk: especially for reads |
| 03:33.28 | somiaj | scwizard: yea I think that is your flash drive not your wireless card. (: |
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| 03:33.42 | gnarface | GTRsdk: ext4 is gonna have the most support going forward i would bet though |
| 03:33.56 | scwizard | there's only one usb device plugged into the computer, and it's a Cisco Valet Connector (AM10) |
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| 03:34.23 | abrotman | gnarface: reiserfs is a poor choice .. end of story |
| 03:34.33 | GTRsdk | gnarface: So since I deal with files >1 GB, I guess I'm going with Ext4 |
| 03:34.34 | gnarface | hah |
| 03:34.42 | gnarface | not gonna fight with you tonight abrotman but thanks for the offer |
| 03:34.57 | scwizard | and dmesg speaks of a AM10 |
| 03:35.02 | somiaj | scwizard: http://www.brokerbin.com/resellers/network/TRANSCEND/TS2GJF210.html -- well that is what I find with that info, I'm guessing it is reading the usbip wrong. |
| 03:35.05 | abrotman | gnarface: it's not even maintained anymore AFAIK... and reiser4 won't make it into the kernel any time soon |
| 03:35.28 | takahiro | whats the best way to install newer packages if a backport isn't available? |
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| 03:35.34 | abrotman | takahiro: make your own! |
| 03:35.40 | abrotman | takahiro: what package are we talking about? |
| 03:35.44 | takahiro | wine |
| 03:35.50 | abrotman | good freaking luck |
| 03:36.01 | abrotman | i think most people use the packages from winehq.org |
| 03:36.12 | takahiro | yeah those packages cause all sorts of dpkg conflicts |
| 03:36.30 | abrotman | judd: backportcheck wine |
| 03:36.40 | gnarface | abrotman: neither is enlightenment 0.16, but there's such a thing as "finished." |
| 03:36.40 | somiaj | takahiro: with wine it isn't hard to compile a deb from the upstream source with cdbs, but really shoudl'tn have any packages depending on wine. Just compile and install it into /usr/local (that is what I did for years until If igured out how to make a deb from it) |
| 03:36.41 | abrotman | hrm .. what's the command |
| 03:36.46 | abrotman | judd: backport-check bash |
| 03:36.49 | somiaj | yea those packages on winehq.org suck. |
| 03:37.03 | abrotman | gnarface: uhm .. reiser eats data? |
| 03:37.11 | takahiro | ok i can try compiling wine |
| 03:37.11 | abrotman | bah .. nevermind .. not my data .. don't care |
| 03:37.19 | abrotman | wishes they'd just remove reiserfs from the kernel |
| 03:37.22 | somiaj | takahiro: personalyl I'd say just compile with ./configure && make && make install -- though I like to stop between those steps and read output |
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| 03:37.32 | gnarface | abrotman: bad harddrives eat data |
| 03:37.34 | sioux_ | i install oldstable .. how can i set my /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
| 03:37.39 | abrotman | takahiro: you can use stow or checkinstall if oyu're worrieda bout it getting messy |
| 03:37.49 | abrotman | gnarface: right .. my filesystem shouldn't .. that one does |
| 03:37.57 | takahiro | ok giving it a shot |
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| 03:38.06 | somiaj | takahiro: though the wine source has a 'make uninstall' so leave it around and you should be fine. |
| 03:38.27 | somiaj | takahiro: if you really awnt I can give you the list of commands I use to make a deb, but I use the cdbs and I think the new dh system is better but never figured out how to work it. |
| 03:38.49 | abrotman | quilt? |
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| 03:39.22 | gnarface | abrotman: i've had ext3 eat data on me way more than reiserfs |
| 03:39.39 | takahiro | uh-oh configure: error: Cannot build a 32-bit program, you need to install 32-bit development libraries. |
| 03:39.39 | abrotman | gnarface: when is the last time you used ext3? |
| 03:39.41 | somiaj | scwizard: unplug your usb device, type 'lsusb' is that strange line about a transcended usb flash drive still there? |
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| 03:39.57 | abrotman | gnarface: ext3 has changed in the last four years .. reiserfs3 generally has not |
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| 03:40.17 | scwizard | somiaj, no |
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| 03:40.42 | gnarface | abrotman: i still use them both actually currently. and its been longer since i've had data eaten by reiserfs too. additionally, the resierfs progs were able to properly recover the missing data after mounting it externally |
| 03:40.53 | scwizard | somiaj, dmesg | grep AM10 = 2.864769 usb 1-2: Product: Cisco AM10 |
| 03:41.07 | scwizard | 3.228910 usb 1-2.w: Product Cisco AM10 AM10 |
| 03:41.08 | abrotman | gnarface: as you wish .. it's not a recommended OS, and it's not maintained |
| 03:41.15 | abrotman | gnarface: not my data .. don't give a crap |
| 03:41.22 | sknrn | could anyone reccomend a good book for an intermediate user who wishes to have a deeper understanding of how linux works? |
| 03:41.26 | somiaj | scwizard: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1808690 |
| 03:41.29 | scwizard | 8.242147 ssi 4:0:0:0: Direct-Access Cisco AM10 |
| 03:41.31 | abrotman | sknrn: which part of it? |
| 03:41.40 | gnarface | abrotman: but in all cases physical drive failure was either suspected for followed soon after so... take from that what you will. |
| 03:41.45 | somiaj | scwizard: aperentally that device actually has a 2gig flash drive on it too, get lots of strange reports. |
| 03:41.45 | abrotman | gnarface: still not crappy |
| 03:41.53 | abrotman | erm .. crapping |
| 03:42.13 | scwizard | somiaj, so I need to use this program "usbmodeswitch" to get this device to work for wireless internet? |
| 03:42.14 | abrotman | sknrn: you mean configuratoin, or the kernel? what? |
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| 03:43.50 | somiaj | scwizard: my suggestion, get a new device. |
| 03:43.52 | gnarface | thinks abrotman craps every time reiserfs is mentions |
| 03:44.06 | abrotman | gnarface: generally not .. only when someone is recommending it :) |
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| 03:44.33 | scwizard | *sigh* ubuntu and mint automagically got internet from the device. Sadly due to their poor design and bloat etc they did stuff like crash during install etc |
| 03:44.48 | scwizard | (for reasons unrelated to the device) |
| 03:45.25 | somiaj | scwizard: figure out what kernel module / firmware they were using if you can, can sometimes use that to help you out, but aperentally ubuntu people had as much trouble with that device. Seems that usbmass sotrage device just contains windows drivers. |
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| 03:46.04 | scwizard | they had trouble with it 6 months ago. Those troubles seem to be addressed in the new version |
| 03:46.11 | scwizard | maybe debian sid will automagically work with this to? |
| 03:46.22 | takahiro | wow it's really hard to get wine to work on debian |
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| 03:46.49 | takahiro | when i ran ./configure, it said i needed x11 development libraries |
| 03:46.54 | somiaj | scwizard: I doubt it, and that is a poor reason to hassle with sid. You could try a backported kernel see if that fixes things, you can install 3.2 on squeeze |
| 03:47.03 | takahiro | and when i ran apt-get install xorg-dev it spit out a million conflict errors |
| 03:47.06 | somiaj | takahiro: apt-get build-dep wine (should isntall most of them) |
| 03:47.16 | takahiro | every version of every package i had was too low |
| 03:47.51 | somiaj | takahiro: are you sure you are running squeeze? Did you make a mistake and install something from another source? Did you purge/remove that bad wine package you tried to install? |
| 03:47.52 | takahiro | hmm, it says E: Unable to find a source package for wine |
| 03:48.13 | takahiro | yeah 6.0.4 is squeeze right? |
| 03:48.41 | somiaj | sure, but jsut making sure you didn't add some other source wich then pulled in things, you should not be getting conflitcs for installing a basic development libary |
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| 03:49.05 | somiaj | actually package name on my system is xserver-xorg-dev |
| 03:49.20 | scwizard | well the thing about trying sid, is that there's a chance that if there's any extra steps needed besides just a new kernel, that it will also have those on the netinst CD |
| 03:49.31 | somiaj | ahh xorg-dev is a meta package, yea you should not be getting errors for this. |
| 03:49.42 | somiaj | there is NO installer for sid |
| 03:49.50 | somiaj | and the installer for testing shouldnt' be used by normal people. |
| 03:49.54 | takahiro | http://paste.debian.net/154576/ |
| 03:50.17 | scwizard | erm or better make that wheezy |
| 03:50.39 | somiaj | takahiro: what is your sources.list file, paste it please |
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| 03:51.23 | takahiro | http://paste.debian.net/154577/ |
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| 03:52.17 | somiaj | yea you shouldn't be geting those errors. does 'apt-get -f install' try to fix anything? |
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| 03:52.40 | takahiro | nope, nothing |
| 03:53.07 | somiaj | try aptitude, does it choke out too when tyring to install xorg-dev? |
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| 03:53.34 | somiaj | takahiro: also to get the wine sorce package you need a deb-src for your main debian source, and you don't have one, that is why it couldnt' find a wine source package. |
| 03:53.36 | takahiro | yes, let me show you |
| 03:54.04 | takahiro | http://paste.debian.net/154578/ |
| 03:54.28 | scwizard | gonna use the prop firmware CD, and from wheezy, maybe it'll work if I use that to install |
| 03:54.40 | somiaj | takahiro: oh its a backported package causing all the problems, libpixma-1-0 from backports is getting in the way |
| 03:54.47 | scwizard | eh nah |
| 03:54.51 | scwizard | I'm actually gonna go to bed >_> |
| 03:54.52 | somiaj | takahiro: try to install libpixma-1-dev from backports first. |
| 03:55.15 | somiaj | scwizard: my guess is you won't have much luck. I still think a different wifi card will fix all your woes |
| 03:55.36 | scwizard | it's possible to have it work under linux |
| 03:55.50 | scwizard | so are we going to be like "sure it's possible under linux, but not under debian" |
| 03:56.03 | scwizard | "just cause ubuntu can do something, doesn't mean we can" |
| 03:56.21 | somiaj | takahiro: please note line 31 in what you pasted |
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| 03:57.14 | takahiro | ah yes that fixed it |
| 03:57.19 | somiaj | scwizard: I'm sure someone who knew what they were doing could get it to work. But that isn't the issue, the device just doesn't seem to play nicely, even ubuntu people had trouble with it for a while until someone got it to work. If you would like go figure out what ubuntu did to get it to work, then come impliment in debian, or look for bug reports ind ebian. |
| 03:57.37 | takahiro | yeah i saw that line but i didn't understand what it meant from the wording |
| 03:57.46 | somiaj | read it again, it says exactly what the problem is |
| 03:57.58 | takahiro | if it was missing, wouldn't it just add it to the list of things to install automatically? |
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| 03:58.31 | somiaj | takahiro: it wasn't missing, it was a conflict, read that line again. Try to understand it, it will be useful |
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| 03:59.06 | takahiro | ok so there's an older one that's installed, wouldn't it automatically get the newer one? |
| 03:59.29 | somiaj | takahiro: backports are pinned lower, it is very important those things dont' get installed with out explicit request. |
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| 04:00.12 | takahiro | oh i see |
| 04:00.17 | yodaboy22 | debian please help me |
| 04:00.35 | yodaboy22 | ok, so i deleted the partitions that debian was supported on |
| 04:00.54 | yodaboy22 | and i have a win7 recovery iso sucessfully burned on flash drive |
| 04:01.05 | yodaboy22 | like, sucessful, it should work |
| 04:01.12 | yodaboy22 | plug it in, boot from usb |
| 04:01.15 | somiaj | scwizard: seems like there is a usb-modeswitch in backports, and some comments about debian patching it to work nicely with the cicso device. So could be you just need some backports |
| 04:01.22 | yodaboy22 | then it goes straight to grub |
| 04:01.25 | abrotman | yodaboy22: uhm, what are you trying to install ? |
| 04:01.28 | yodaboy22 | and it runs into an error |
| 04:01.53 | yodaboy22 | abrotman: the win7 recovery disk on my usb is suppose to restore the defaultwindows boot |
| 04:02.05 | scwizard | somiaj, if such a thing exists in backports, then it exists in wheezy right? |
| 04:02.08 | somiaj | sounds like the windows 7 iso didn't write over the grub mbr of the flash drive (if you were botting from teh flash drive) |
| 04:02.24 | somiaj | scwizard: sure, but runnign wheezy could add other problems, but give it a try. (: |
| 04:02.33 | scwizard | it'll be an adventure |
| 04:02.37 | yodaboy22 | somiaj: do you think a actual disk would have better luck? |
| 04:02.41 | scwizard | one I won't have today though |
| 04:02.45 | yodaboy22 | i can do that |
| 04:02.50 | scwizard | I've asked my friend here to burn enough CDs for me Z_Z |
| 04:02.53 | somiaj | scwizard: but I think your suggestion to sleep was best, else you might break the thing |
| 04:02.53 | scwizard | (for today) |
| 04:03.32 | somiaj | yodaboy22: just a guess, if you told your bios to boot off of the usb drive and you see grub and then it error out, most likley it is just still on the mbr and you can use a tool to put a standard mbr back on the drive |
| 04:04.20 | yodaboy22 | somiaj: what kind of tool do you reccomend? |
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| 04:04.39 | yodaboy22 | or should i research |
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| 04:07.25 | scwizard | the full story of today is. Tried mint. Mint had two modes, glitchy looking graphics but a functioning system before installing graphics drivers, and good looking graphics but a broken system after installing graphics drivers. Then I tried ubuntu. Ubuntu froze during the install process. Then I came here. |
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| 04:10.37 | takahiro | in terms of distro popularity, is debian up there? |
| 04:10.50 | Kobaz | it's up there |
| 04:10.53 | Kobaz | up up |
| 04:11.06 | z28 | way up there |
| 04:11.10 | takahiro | i see more blog posts about ubuntu and mint these days |
| 04:11.27 | mosno | takahiro: both of which are ultimately derived from debian |
| 04:11.34 | z28 | takahiro: that's because all the newbs think it's the bomb |
| 04:11.39 | takahiro | ohh |
| 04:12.11 | takahiro | also my friend likes to use CentOS |
| 04:12.28 | takahiro | i dont know what is so great about it |
| 04:12.41 | GTRsdk | How do I get ethernet to work when I can't get the netbook to exactly connect to run apt-get update? |
| 04:12.56 | mosno | takahiro: another popular distro. there is lots of vendor support for redhat. |
| 04:13.43 | z28 | mosno: but redhat costs money, fedra is the free spin-off of RH Enterprise |
| 04:13.53 | z28 | *fedora |
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| 04:14.05 | mosno | z28: actually, RHEL is a spinoff of Fedora :) |
| 04:14.22 | mosno | z28: and CentOS is free obviously |
| 04:14.47 | Kobaz | GTRsdk: usb stick |
| 04:14.52 | takahiro | a lot of people like spinoffs, i dunno why people don't stick to just making 1 better |
| 04:15.10 | GTRsdk | Kobaz: how would that work? |
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| 04:15.37 | gnarface | GTRsdk: you use it to copy over the missing network drivers |
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| 04:15.50 | Kobaz | if you needed to download and build a new kernel... you can copy it to a stick and load it on your machine |
| 04:15.56 | takahiro | someday there might be a million distros and only 1 person working on each one, and improvements will slow to a halt |
| 04:15.59 | somiaj | takahiro: debian doesn't cater to the popular croud, but it has a great base/package system, which is why ubuntu/mint are heard about a lot, they aim to be flashy and draw the popular attention. Debian seems to try to ensure a free and solid stable system. |
| 04:16.09 | Kobaz | takahiro: that's already the case |
| 04:16.30 | z28 | Fedora isn't bad, Redhat is better but it hasn't been 'free' for years now. |
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| 04:16.36 | Kobaz | takahiro: my dad was using some debian derivative but the packages are so old since only one guy is working on it and now has some family things going on |
| 04:16.50 | yodaboy22 | Linux OS that's not free? :o |
| 04:16.51 | Kobaz | fedora is redhat for the most part |
| 04:17.01 | takahiro | ohhh i see |
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| 04:17.36 | z28 | Kobaz: true, but is didn't exist until RH went enterprise. |
| 04:17.40 | takahiro | i thought red hat was free but you had to pay for enterprise support |
| 04:17.41 | Kobaz | yeah |
| 04:17.51 | scwizard | wheezy has build 1 3 5 and 7 every day |
| 04:17.56 | scwizard | where are 2 4 and 6? |
| 04:18.00 | Kobaz | you can't download the rhel distro directly anymore for free |
| 04:18.05 | z28 | takahiro: that could be |
| 04:18.11 | takahiro | wow i didn't know that |
| 04:18.13 | SpinUp | Hello. I have Debian 6 installed. Im editing /etc/rc.local. In the line : "# In order to enable or disable this script just change the execution": Wheres the excecution bit ? |
| 04:18.17 | Kobaz | it's still all open source |
| 04:18.27 | SpinUp | *"# In order to enable or disable this script just change the execution bits" |
| 04:18.30 | somiaj | SpinUp: ls -l /etc/rc.local |
| 04:18.30 | Kobaz | they contribute their gpl changes back to the projects, and into the kernel |
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| 04:18.41 | Kobaz | and the things they don't push back to the kernel you can download the patches |
| 04:18.46 | somiaj | SpinUp: it means the 'x' bit on the actual file, 'chmod +x /etc/rc.local' will do that |
| 04:18.52 | Kobaz | but you can't go and get the whole distro as a package |
| 04:18.57 | somiaj | SpinUp: just basic unix file permisions |
| 04:19.04 | Kobaz | but you should just use centos though, since that's what they do |
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| 04:19.09 | SpinUp | Ahh ok, got it. Thanks |
| 04:19.13 | Kobaz | they apply the same patches redhat does and release it |
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| 04:20.41 | takahiro | i haven't had to reboot my debian system in over 24 hours... it's quite an improvement over my Windows 7 install |
| 04:20.47 | Kobaz | heh |
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| 04:21.00 | takahiro | quite nice |
| 04:21.08 | Kobaz | only down due to an upgrade |
| 04:21.23 | Kobaz | otherwise it would have been like 150 days (my workstation) |
| 04:21.27 | Kobaz | i really don't reboot often |
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| 04:21.50 | takahiro | does hibernate stop uptime? is there even a hibernate? |
| 04:21.53 | Kobaz | i went from dual monitors to quad monitors |
| 04:22.01 | Kobaz | yeah you can hibernate |
| 04:22.09 | Kobaz | you know, i've never noticed whether it affects uptime |
| 04:22.18 | Kobaz | i suspend my laptop all the time |
| 04:22.20 | zykotick9 | takahiro: if you hibernate the uptime continues - it's cheating in my opinion |
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| 04:22.28 | takahiro | lol zykotick9 |
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| 04:22.48 | takahiro | cryostatis is not death |
| 04:22.53 | Kobaz | so i think that was worthy of uptime inturruption |
| 04:23.25 | gnarface | defines "up" as "able to answer a network request" |
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| 04:23.31 | Kobaz | and put in a new motherboard and 8 gigs of ram |
| 04:23.41 | somiaj | I thought uptime just took the current time and subtracted the boot time, so it really isn't running a clock only when the machine is running, but in that respect you could just change the system date to years in the future for a large uptime |
| 04:24.13 | zykotick9 | uptimed can be interesting sometimes |
| 04:25.16 | yodaboy22 | i think i really screwed up by deleting the debian and grub partitions |
| 04:25.25 | yodaboy22 | so now it goes to grub |
| 04:25.26 | mosno | gnarface: that's "available" |
| 04:25.34 | yodaboy22 | and it fails because it's gone |
| 04:25.36 | Kobaz | youknowho: if you wanted debian around, then i think that would be screwed up, yeah |
| 04:25.41 | yodaboy22 | and booting from usb isn't working |
| 04:25.49 | yodaboy22 | it still goes straight to grub |
| 04:26.01 | Kobaz | do you want to wipe the disk? or recover? |
| 04:26.26 | somiaj | yodaboy22: what tool did you use to put the windows iso on your usb drive (another windows machine) |
| 04:26.58 | yodaboy22 | somiaj: buhman, a dude on this channel reccomended imagewriter |
| 04:27.20 | yodaboy22 | it worked to install debian in the first place with usb |
| 04:27.28 | somiaj | well fdisk in windows has an option to wipe the mbr and put a standard one on it |
| 04:27.41 | somiaj | I know nothing about the windows 7 iso recovery image though |
| 04:27.55 | yodaboy22 | somiaj: I'll try a different channel thank you |
| 04:28.42 | somiaj | yodaboy22: I don't know what os you have avaiable, but again look up 'fix mbr' in google, putting a standard mbr on that usb drive will wipe grub off of it, and usually defer to the boot partition which is where windows usually seems to put it's booting stuff |
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| 04:32.29 | Kobaz | if you want to wipe the drive |
| 04:32.38 | SpinUp | Damn. This is the second time tha happens to me: Working in a terminal (debian 6), after a connection drop, trying to login again server just wont accept connection. Getting "Server unexpectedly closed network connection" on Putty and "Connection closed by 69.*.*.*" trying to login using some linux prompt. What can I do ? |
| 04:32.49 | Kobaz | dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/drive/to/wipe count=1 bs=1M |
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| 04:32.58 | Kobaz | that will clear the boot sectors |
| 04:33.07 | SpinUp | Its a KVM VPS there, maybe something related ? |
| 04:35.10 | GTRsdk | okay so now how do I get the system to mount the stuff so I can load the drivers? |
| 04:35.24 | Kobaz | mount /dev/device /mnt |
| 04:35.30 | GTRsdk | and now what drivers would I need to get the ethernet working? It is an Acer AOD255 (Intel Atom N450)? |
| 04:35.36 | GTRsdk | okay I'll try that |
| 04:35.39 | Kobaz | could be like /dev/sdb1 or something |
| 04:35.43 | Kobaz | type dmesg |
| 04:35.56 | Kobaz | look at the bottom it should say something about detected new /dev/something |
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| 04:38.46 | GTRsdk | Kobaz: Thanks. Now is it possible to connecto to Wifi via tty? |
| 04:40.04 | sweetpi | that command will zero much more than the boot sector |
| 04:40.23 | Kobaz | yeah, iwconfig |
| 04:40.43 | Kobaz | sweetpi: well yeah, i forget how big the boot sector is... but if you want to axe out the disk, make it clean, that's a good way |
| 04:40.50 | Kobaz | boot sector partition table, gone and gone |
| 04:41.08 | sweetpi | ah ok, thought he just wanted the boot sector gone |
| 04:41.12 | Kobaz | GTRsdk: iwconfig |
| 04:41.17 | Kobaz | sweetpi: no idea what he wants |
| 04:41.30 | Kobaz | <Kobaz> if you want to wipe the drive |
| 04:41.32 | zykotick9 | GTRsdk: it's certainly possible, there are at least 2 wireless cli managers N-M has a cli interface (be aware it requires GDM installed to connect to wireless), if you happen to run a lighter install without GDM/KDM then you might want to try wicd which has an ncurses interface |
| 04:41.49 | Kobaz | GTRsdk: do iwlist scan |
| 04:44.04 | GTRsdk | Kobaz: I get "Interface doesn't support scanning." Could that be because of old drivers/debs being used? |
| 04:47.31 | Rusty1 | iwlist wlan0 scanning. or whatever iwconfig reports the interface to be |
| 04:47.45 | GTRsdk | okay not I get network is down |
| 04:47.49 | GTRsdk | how do I start it? |
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| 04:48.32 | Rusty1 | what does iwconfig say |
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| 04:48.59 | yarrak | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:48.59 | yarrak | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:48.59 | yarrak | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:48.59 | yarrak | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:49.45 | GTRsdk | Rusty1: anything I should look for? wlan0 has some output by it |
| 04:50.19 | Rusty1 | now ifconfig, is wlan0 there? |
| 04:50.34 | GTRsdk | yes |
| 04:50.38 | GTRsdk | no IP yet though |
| 04:50.59 | Rusty1 | ok, dhclient wlan0 |
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| 04:53.26 | GTRsdk | Rusty1: okay now it looks like it might be doing something, but it is just staying near blank-ish |
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| 04:54.24 | Rusty1 | is it an encrypted network? |
| 04:54.24 | Rusty1 | wep wpa ? |
| 04:54.52 | GTRsdk | WPA2 |
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| 04:55.38 | danols | what is the reasoning to put stuff in /opt/ when using dpkg-buildpackage ? |
| 04:56.35 | gnarface | !fhs |
| 04:56.36 | dpkg | Debian follows the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard. The filesystem is categorized by purpose, not application. This allows, for example, the easy and efficient deployment of a read-only /usr area across a number of thin clients. See http://www.pathname.com/fhs/ or install the 'debian-policy' package (/usr/share/doc/debian-policy/fhs/*), or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_Hierarchy_Standard, or "man hier". |
| 04:57.16 | GTRsdk | Rusty1: Not sure if you got it (especially since there was just a huge post), but it is WPA2 |
| 04:57.30 | Rusty1 | ok, you will have to provide the wpa key, have a look at http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse |
| 04:57.33 | danols | = /opt/ is not found in that wiki page |
| 04:57.48 | danols | nm it is |
| 04:58.34 | danols | == /optOptional application software packages.[27] |
| 04:59.15 | danols | so if the package was officially in the Debian repository it would go where ? |
| 04:59.30 | lstarnes | under /usr |
| 04:59.42 | lstarnes | with parts in /var and /etc |
| 04:59.55 | lstarnes | certain essential packages go under /bin and /lib |
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| 05:00.14 | danols | is there criteria to be inlcuded in the repository ? the software I'm installing is freeSwitch |
| 05:00.23 | lstarnes | also packages that are meant to be self contained (i.e. not installed in /usr) are put in /opt even if they are official |
| 05:00.27 | danols | or is it a simple matter of being still unstable ? |
| 05:00.48 | danols | lstarnes: thank you that bit about self contained is useful |
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| 05:07.58 | coaheon | After upgrading to iceweasel-9.0.1, cannot run browser. It enters and then exit within seconds. |
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| 05:09.12 | rypervenche | coaheon: Open it with the terminal and pastebin the errors you get. |
| 05:09.29 | Rusty1 | open a terminal and type : iceweasel, |
| 05:09.35 | coaheon | ok |
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| 05:10.47 | coaheon | it says: no protocol specified. |
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| 05:11.20 | SpinUp | HmM. I was working normally in a remote terminal. Trying to login later server just throw at me : "Connection closed". Its not that im using wrong password because if I do it just sends the usual "Permission denied, please try again". What can be happening there ? |
| 05:11.50 | SpinUp | Tried login with 2 different users, same stuff |
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| 05:14.34 | manganese | SpinUp: How are you logging in? ssh? |
| 05:15.09 | SpinUp | manganese, was using Putty. After this started happening i tried ssh, same issues |
| 05:15.14 | coaheon | Ok, can execute iceweasel from terminal. It exits with this msg: Inconsistency detected by ld.so: dl-open.c: 597: _dl_open: Assertion `_dl_debug_initialize (0, args.nsid)->r_state == RT_CONSISTENT' failed! |
| 05:15.55 | lstarnes | coaheon: you might want to apt-get update and apt-get upgrade |
| 05:15.56 | manganese | SpinUp: Well, putty is ssh. Anyway, do you have a telnet client? Try "telnet server.example.com 22" |
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| 05:16.11 | GTRsdk | wonders exactly how the wifi will work |
| 05:16.13 | manganese | SpinUp: where server.example.com is the name of your server, and 22 is the ssh port |
| 05:16.25 | SpinUp | manganese, ok, will try it |
| 05:16.55 | manganese | SpinUp: If ssh is listening, you should get an ssh banner. If ssh is not listening, the connection will be rudely closed |
| 05:17.10 | coaheon | Istarnes: ok, let me try, thanks. |
| 05:17.28 | manganese | SpinUp: Either way, you won't be able to log in using telnet. it's just a way of testing that sshd on the other end is listening |
| 05:18.03 | GTRsdk | For an open network, " wireless-mode [MODE] " is what exactly? |
| 05:18.11 | SpinUp | manganese, i get : "SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_5.5p1 Debian-6+squeeze1" |
| 05:18.35 | manganese | SpinUp: Okay, so sshd is listening. Kill the telnet session, and try logging in with "ssh -vvv" |
| 05:18.49 | manganese | SpinUp: This'll give you verbose debugging output. |
| 05:18.55 | SpinUp | manganese, its so weird. Its my own VPS out there. Wasnt messing anything about ssh, it just started happening |
| 05:19.14 | SpinUp | allright |
| 05:19.27 | manganese | SpinUp: That is, "ssh -vvv server.example.com" |
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| 05:20.05 | SpinUp | manganese, I have ssh accepting in port 49001. Command should be ssh -p 49001 -vvv user@serverIP ? |
| 05:20.43 | lstarnes | SpinUp: that seems right |
| 05:20.49 | manganese | SpinUp: Yep, that should do it. |
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| 05:23.42 | GTRsdk | set wireless-mode Infrastructure... hope it works |
| 05:25.05 | GTRsdk | No luck |
| 05:28.24 | GTRsdk | I would really appreciate help with setting the network up correctly |
| 05:29.27 | SpinUp | manganese: this is what I get: http://pastebin.com/Bwcjtmxc |
| 05:30.34 | manganese | SpinUp: Are you trying to use ssh keys or password auth? |
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| 05:31.08 | SpinUp | manganese, just passwords |
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| 05:31.31 | manganese | SpinUp: Okay, so the lack of keys isn't a problem |
| 05:32.03 | manganese | SpinUp: BTW, you really shouldn't be doing this as root. Bad habit. |
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| 05:33.34 | SpinUp | manganese, ok. Doing it as root over some non important VM installed locally |
| 05:34.12 | manganese | SpinUp: Okay, so you're prompted for a password. Does the connection then get closed straight away? |
| 05:34.54 | manganese | may have to make a little VM to test bad password behaviour, since I don't generally use passwords with ssh. |
| 05:35.23 | SpinUp | manganese: no. After password I get http://pastebin.com/63kKnZ0L |
| 05:36.04 | manganese | SpinUp: Oh. It's rejecting connections because a system halt/reboot is in progress |
| 05:36.09 | SpinUp | manganese: But the interesting is that if I supply the wrong password it will return "Permission denied, please try again." |
| 05:36.19 | manganese | SpinUp: See the line "The system is going down on Fri Feb 3 02:24:58 2012" |
| 05:36.27 | SpinUp | I mean, thats just OK. Weird is that it return that if I supply the right one |
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| 05:36.40 | SpinUp | Yeah, its strange, i dont getit |
| 05:36.57 | manganese | SpinUp: Talk to your VPS provider. They may be doing maintenance |
| 05:37.04 | SpinUp | manganese, and know what: That time is in the past |
| 05:37.19 | SpinUp | Ok |
| 05:37.56 | manganese | SpinUp: Well, I don't know what the server's timezone is ;-). Anyway, your system is being shut down, which is why it's rejecting your connection |
| 05:38.02 | manganese | I think |
| 05:38.15 | SpinUp | And I dont know what timezone is that time message dispplayed. I supose its same I set on my VPS = GMT -03 |
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| 05:38.57 | SpinUp | manganese, i did reboot the VPS from the main provider control panel, so no clue why its going to reboot. Must ask support, really |
| 05:38.58 | manganese | SpinUp: That's consistent. Here in Blighty it's 0538 |
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| 05:39.48 | SpinUp | 03:39 AM now in GMT -03 |
| 05:41.08 | SpinUp | thanks for help manganese, will just leave a message with support and wait |
| 05:41.21 | manganese | Right, but I can believe your first message was 15 minutes ago. If you rebooted the VM from the control panel, presumably it's you causing the system to be in shut down. The question is, why is it taking so long? Still, your provider is the best place to ask that question |
| 05:41.26 | manganese | n/p |
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| 05:41.57 | manganese | Hey, GTRsdk, how's that wireless network going? |
| 05:42.04 | SpinUp | manganese, it doesnt seem taking so long because my website is fine there. Even the ssl page loading out of loud |
| 05:42.21 | GTRsdk | manganese: I typed in the correct ESSID, removed the mode line, and it works |
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| 05:42.41 | manganese | SpinUp: That's probably because your VM hasn't rebooted yet. |
| 05:42.47 | manganese | GTRsdk: Excellent |
| 05:43.19 | SpinUp | manganese, yeah maybe.... But thar started happening before I issued reboot. I started the reboot to try fix this :p |
| 05:44.08 | SpinUp | And I meant, apache2 is working, loading my website.. so server is up |
| 05:44.09 | manganese | SpinUp: Okay, that's odd. I'm afraid I have no idea what's going on there. Without access to logs, it's quite hard to tell |
| 05:44.27 | SpinUp | Yeah... i dont habve either :p |
| 05:44.29 | manganese | sshd is _listening_ so server is up. |
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| 05:45.04 | SpinUp | I think must be something with VPS/KVM itself... never happened on me before |
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| 05:46.17 | SpinUp | Or some maintenance like you said. Its a new provider for me and well, I hope they send warnings before maintenances so to not have customers lost in doubt |
| 05:46.48 | manganese | I thought maintenance because the VM is in sutdown, but it seems likely that you did that, not your provider. |
| 05:47.26 | SpinUp | VM is not shutdown, its serving my website actually, its working |
| 05:48.03 | manganese | No, it isn't shut down, but it is trying to shutdown. There's a message to that effect in your second paste. |
| 05:48.04 | SpinUp | bleh, anyway, nothing we can do at this point |
| 05:48.15 | SpinUp | Oh got it |
| 05:48.34 | SpinUp | trying to shutdown dont know why ... |
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| 05:50.05 | SpinUp | well, good chance to go take a sleep. Thanks once again manganese, peace |
| 05:50.18 | manganese | Probably because you tried to reboot from the control panel ;-) |
| 05:50.35 | manganese | SpinUp: Yeah, I should try the sleep thing too. Better luck tomorrow. |
| 05:50.41 | SpinUp | sure |
| 05:50.46 | SpinUp | later |
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| 06:00.50 | buhman | http://sprunge.us/YfWY ; how do I tell apt-get that I want to not-remove lzma but do a dist-upgrade anyway? |
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| 06:03.15 | GTRsdk | manganese: Okay I'm having issues with it agian :-/ |
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| 06:25.13 | coaheon | after upgrading to iceweasel-9.0.1, cannot run browser. It exits after a few seconds. |
| 06:25.41 | coaheon | running from terminal gives error msg: Inconsistency detected by ld.so: dl-open.c: 597: _dl_open: Assertion `_dl_debug_initialize (0, args.nsid)->r_state == RT_CONSISTENT' failed! |
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| 06:34.55 | dark|angel | hey there |
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| 06:35.46 | dark|angel | thank you |
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| 06:40.47 | huwenfeng | hi, is there any tools exist to create encrypted passwd from clear_text , for the linux user account ? i want to add the "encrypted passwd" to /etc/shadow directly, so i need a tool to make the "encrypted passwd" from clear_text. |
| 06:42.12 | simonlnu | takahiro: xscreensaver; just does screen, but does it well |
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| 06:42.28 | simonlnu | huwenfeng: several |
| 06:42.35 | simonlnu | !tell huwenfeng -about search |
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| 06:43.12 | simonlnu | !ssh keys |
| 06:43.12 | huwenfeng | simonlnu: tell me one? i have searched the web for a while , without good results |
| 06:43.12 | dpkg | rumour has it, ssh keys is http://www.puddingonline.com/~dave/publications/SSH-with-Keys-HOWTO/ |
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| 06:43.38 | simonlnu | huwenfeng: read what the bot told you in a query window (probably a new window) |
| 06:43.55 | simonlnu | it'll say 'dpkg' or such |
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| 06:44.28 | simonlnu | freaky[t]: man screen. check for -ls |
| 06:46.02 | huwenfeng | simonlnu: yes, i have seen that window, you may misunderstand me . |
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| 06:47.24 | huwenfeng | simonlnu: for example, my passwd is "thinkabout" , and i want to get an encrypted passwd like "$6$z6BzBNmI$QKQnjJ6XtLrXrvZEx4B/dpiE7n31.a78INRyHLt9QT59YBIwXzJburU4m2FrIRQ//bxuykZVS4INJhg37bTvI0:15373", then i will use this string to many machines to setup the passwd for this SAME user. |
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| 06:54.14 | simonlnu | huwenfeng: yes ok. so you may consider using ldap insead, if you have a lot of machines and users. it was created for such things. |
| 06:54.19 | simonlnu | instead* |
| 06:54.53 | buhman | why can't I install coreutils ? http://sprunge.us/XSFF |
| 06:56.25 | simonlnu | buhman: install tar by hand first. then try again |
| 06:56.42 | simonlnu | is this an older install like lenny or etch? |
| 06:57.43 | sweetpi | huwenfeng: mkpasswd -m sha-512 -S yoursalt yourpass |
| 06:57.57 | buhman | simonlnu: it's ancient |
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| 06:58.37 | simonlnu | buhman: it's in the bts, btw |
| 06:59.04 | buhman | simonlnu: kernel 2.6.29 |
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| 07:04.53 | huwenfeng | sweetpi: Good, that's what i want! thank you , i just forget the name of this command. |
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| 07:05.52 | huwenfeng | simonlnu: ldap is good, but its centralized, if the ldap server is down, login will not be possible, |
| 07:07.34 | buhman | simonlnu: I replaced tar manually, and then when I try to install the original package, I get a new problem http://sprunge.us/TUSa |
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| 07:09.05 | iToast | Hey |
| 07:09.15 | iToast | How do i install the 32bit libs for a amd64 install? |
| 07:09.25 | iToast | apt-get install 32-libs says the package doesnt exist... |
| 07:09.47 | buhman | iToast: what specifically are you trying to do ? |
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| 07:10.02 | iToast | install the 32bit libarys for sa-mp. |
| 07:10.23 | simonlnu | huwenfeng: there are differing way to handle that |
| 07:10.40 | buhman | iToast: could you please paste what wine complains about when you try to run that? |
| 07:10.59 | iToast | "E: Unable to locate package 32-libs |
| 07:10.59 | iToast | " |
| 07:11.01 | huwenfeng | simonlnu: i know a little about that, i can setup a slave ldap for that, |
| 07:11.06 | buhman | iToast: no, that's not your real problem |
| 07:11.17 | iToast | Im following this |
| 07:11.18 | iToast | http://freevps.us/thread-1477.html |
| 07:11.22 | buhman | iToast: I don't care |
| 07:11.24 | simonlnu | buhman: unpack dpkg also. you may need to do it by hand, with ar |
| 07:11.35 | buhman | simonlnu: hrm ok |
| 07:11.46 | huwenfeng | simonlnu: that might be a good choice, i will prepare for that, |
| 07:11.51 | simonlnu | it probably buggered up because of the problem with tar |
| 07:13.13 | buhman | simonlnu: it already claims that it's 1.16.1.2 |
| 07:13.23 | simonlnu | huwenfeng: such as libnss-db/nss-updatedb/nsscache, with nslcd and nscd for example. avoids a lot of network lookups |
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| 07:13.52 | simonlnu | buhman: that's the one you're installing right? |
| 07:13.59 | iToast | "./samp03svr: error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 07:13.59 | iToast | " |
| 07:14.05 | iToast | buhman, I had to download the files again :p |
| 07:14.09 | buhman | simonlnu: yes, that's what packages.debian.org claims the current version is |
| 07:14.33 | buhman | iToast: you need lib32-glibc or whatever it's called in debian |
| 07:14.43 | buhman | is debian multilib anyway? |
| 07:14.45 | iToast | ok...? |
| 07:14.59 | iToast | So, what do i install... |
| 07:15.11 | iToast | just try liv32-glibc? |
| 07:15.15 | iToast | lib* |
| 07:15.17 | simonlnu | buhman: not squeeze |
| 07:15.25 | simonlnu | it's WIP |
| 07:15.40 | iToast | simonlnu, what do i need... |
| 07:15.40 | simonlnu | for the rest of them. in fact, it's being held up by dpkg |
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| 07:15.56 | buhman | iToast: like I said, I don't know how how multilib works in debian |
| 07:16.04 | iToast | buhman, simonlnu might |
| 07:16.04 | simonlnu | iToast: uh, what? i'm not paying attention to your issue. |
| 07:16.14 | iToast | simonlnu, <iToast> "./samp03svr: error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 07:16.38 | simonlnu | instead the libstdc++6 package |
| 07:16.41 | buhman | iToast: #wine would probably be about 300% more helpful |
| 07:16.42 | simonlnu | install* |
| 07:16.49 | iToast | buhman, how? |
| 07:16.54 | iToast | This is a linux package. |
| 07:17.00 | buhman | iToast: O.o it is? |
| 07:17.03 | iToast | Well, not a package, but software for linux |
| 07:17.15 | iToast | Yea, the compiler is the only thing from it that they didnt bring to linux... |
| 07:17.20 | iToast | pawno needs wine >:O! |
| 07:17.56 | iToast | Out of curiosity, do i still edit init.d to start things when debian starts... |
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| 07:18.07 | simonlnu | buhman: what are you trying to install? squeeze or wheezy? |
| 07:18.08 | iToast | Or should i use a cron job to automate it every startup |
| 07:18.55 | simonlnu | i noticed you have perl 5.10 there, and wheezy is on 5.12 |
| 07:19.07 | simonlnu | that is a problem |
| 07:19.08 | buhman | simonlnu: sid actually |
| 07:19.31 | simonlnu | omg. no. dist-upgrade in sequence. |
| 07:20.06 | buhman | simonlnu: what, dinosaur->squeeze->wheezy->sid? |
| 07:20.11 | simonlnu | say you had an etch system. dist-upgrade to the next newer, and so on, until you get to wheezy, then update to sid. |
| 07:20.36 | simonlnu | well, "update". yes, the packages are designed specifically for that |
| 07:21.35 | simonlnu | skipping releases is A Bad Idea, and you see why right here |
| 07:22.05 | iToast | :s |
| 07:22.07 | iToast | "<iToast> "./samp03svr: error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory" |
| 07:22.20 | iToast | Does anyone know what I need to install >_< |
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| 07:22.37 | buhman | iToast: yes, as we've said multiple times, the 32-bit version of libstdc++ |
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| 07:23.15 | huwenfeng | simonlnu: ok, you are really an export, i will learn about those tools. |
| 07:23.23 | huwenfeng | expert. |
| 07:23.45 | buhman | simonlnu: squeeze doesn't seem to exist for my architecture |
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| 07:23.50 | buhman | W: Failed to fetch http://http.us.debian.org/debiam/dists/squeeze/main/binary-armel/Packages.gz 404 Not Found [IP: 199.6.12.70 80] |
| 07:24.39 | buhman | heh, actually apt spelled the url wrong :S |
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| 07:25.15 | buhman | heh, *I* spelled the url wrong |
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| 07:36.10 | fasta | My desktop has crashed and running nautilus again, doesn't help. |
| 07:36.29 | iToast | <3 debian |
| 07:36.37 | iToast | It just works. |
| 07:36.40 | fasta | Does Debian store crash files somewhere? |
| 07:36.43 | fasta | iToast: no, it doesn't. |
| 07:37.00 | iToast | fasta, you did something wrong. |
| 07:37.05 | fasta | iToast: er, no. |
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| 07:37.26 | iToast | I just installed debian (i broke it with the ubuntu installer by mistake...) and i have opensshd installed and a static internal ip in 10 mins. |
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| 07:37.37 | fasta | iToast: I didn't use a hammer or write directly to memory with my own kernel drivers. |
| 07:37.38 | magn0z_ | hey. having issues getting lvm working with debian installer (sid), it just says LVM is not available and that i should load the lvm-mod module. though i can see that it during fetching packages does get some lvm packages, and i know this worked fine with the squeeze installer. any takers? |
| 07:37.40 | iToast | Now i can administrate from anywere in the world securly |
| 07:37.58 | fasta | iToast: that's openssh for you. |
| 07:38.03 | fasta | iToast: not Debian. |
| 07:38.19 | iToast | fasta, if you need a 3'rd party driver / any drivers, chances are that hardware will perform horribly with linux... |
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| 07:38.33 | iToast | :3 |
| 07:38.38 | fasta | iToast: who says I have third party drivers? |
| 07:38.42 | iToast | i've NEVER had to install a driver on linux. |
| 07:38.49 | fasta | iToast: you should learn to read. |
| 07:38.58 | iToast | fasta, i know :P i know |
| 07:39.06 | fasta | iToast: I can already tell now that you cannot program. |
| 07:39.08 | rainfyre | Does anyone here have any experience with using Squeeze on an Android device? Specifically I am looking for how to find out what wifi drivers I need for a Droid X. |
| 07:39.14 | iToast | fasta, ... |
| 07:39.22 | iToast | You can't assume anything of anyone for any reason. |
| 07:39.27 | iToast | assumtions end bad... |
| 07:39.32 | fasta | iToast: I don't assume anything. |
| 07:39.45 | fasta | iToast: I can derive it from your lack of logic skills. |
| 07:39.45 | iToast | "<fasta> iToast: I can already tell now that you cannot program." |
| 07:40.05 | iToast | fasta, if your deriving things from how people speak at 2am then you are doing it wrong. |
| 07:40.17 | iToast | Also, try /var/log |
| 07:40.19 | rainfyre | off topic |
| 07:40.44 | iToast | fasta, check /etc/log it should be there |
| 07:41.01 | iToast | For future reference, www.Google.com |
| 07:42.50 | fasta | iToast: for future referece, user iToast has no idea what he is talking about. |
| 07:42.50 | iToast | fasta, Stop being rude. |
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| 07:42.50 | fasta | iToast: stop spreading spam. |
| 07:42.50 | iToast | fasta, learn to google before asking stupid questions answered over 40,000 times. |
| 07:42.50 | fasta | iToast: I did, and the google solutions were all wrong. |
| 07:42.50 | iToast | fasta, experiment, this is linux. |
| 07:42.50 | iToast | Linux = Logical |
| 07:42.50 | fasta | iToast: you, Sir, are a fool. |
| 07:42.50 | iToast | fasta, You sir, are a troll... |
| 07:42.58 | fasta | iToast: er no, the developers of nautilus might be trolls. |
| 07:43.02 | fasta | They don't fix anything ever. |
| 07:43.13 | iToast | Thats just sick and wrong! |
| 07:43.15 | fasta | I will just use dolphin for the time being. |
| 07:43.30 | fasta | Too bad that _also_ crashes. |
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| 07:43.39 | fasta | In fact, I don't know a single file manager that doesn't crash. |
| 07:43.48 | fasta | Thunar crashes too. |
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| 07:44.25 | iToast | fasta, ... |
| 07:44.48 | iToast | You have some serious bad luck. |
| 07:44.56 | fasta | iToast: luck has nothing to do with it. |
| 07:45.06 | fasta | It is all incompetence by whoever developed this software. |
| 07:45.12 | iToast | ... |
| 07:45.16 | iToast | Multiple file managers? |
| 07:45.23 | iToast | I think this is a user error... |
| 07:45.31 | fasta | iToast: wow, you really have no clue. |
| 07:45.34 | iToast | Or is it a conspiracy to have them all crash on you :D! |
| 07:45.51 | iToast | fasta, You said they are all crashing on you. |
| 07:45.57 | fasta | iToast: no, it is just that the open-source developers are likely not so skilled. |
| 07:45.57 | iToast | " |
| 07:45.57 | iToast | <fasta> In fact, I don't know a single file manager that doesn't crash." |
| 07:46.07 | fasta | iToast: yes, you can quote very well. |
| 07:46.13 | iToast | fasta, This is a serious question, are you trolling? |
| 07:46.28 | fasta | iToast: no, I am annoyed with the lack of quality. |
| 07:46.32 | iToast | Seriously, i can't tell if you're really stupid or i'm getting successfully tolled... |
| 07:46.36 | iToast | fasta, write your own then |
| 07:46.43 | iToast | thats how most software happens |
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| 07:47.25 | fasta | iToast: ah, so first it was me being stupid, and now I need to write my own file manager? |
| 07:47.33 | fasta | iToast: excellent logic! |
| 07:47.41 | iToast | fasta, Stop complaining, this is free opensource software. |
| 07:47.42 | manganese | My file manager is called /bin/bash. It hasn't crashed yet. Now we've established that I can piss higher up the wall than everyone else here, can we give it a rest? |
| 07:47.56 | fasta | iToast: they shouldn't distribute garbage. |
| 07:48.07 | iToast | fasta, Then don't download it, they didnt force it on you. |
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| 07:48.42 | fasta | iToast: This is Nautilus, the file manager for the GNOME desktop. |
| 07:48.57 | iToast | fasta, Then use KDE! XFCE! |
| 07:49.02 | iToast | IDC! |
| 07:49.05 | fasta | iToast: note how it doesn't say "the terrible unstable, crashes once a day"-file manager? |
| 07:49.24 | iToast | fasta, Find 9 other people having the same problem them come to me. |
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| 07:49.34 | iToast | Go ahead, do it. |
| 07:49.41 | fasta | iToast: you would be the last person I'd come too. |
| 07:49.49 | iToast | fasta, stop trolling. |
| 07:50.11 | fasta | iToast: I am not trolling, you continue to believe in a world which doesn't exist. |
| 07:50.24 | iToast | fasta, You're acting like you have to use the software. |
| 07:50.38 | iToast | if your having problems with the file manager dont use it, if you dont like the window manager, dont use it. |
| 07:50.54 | iToast | Stop insulting software you're FAILING to use and blaiming the devs. |
| 07:50.54 | fasta | iToast: are you saying that MacOSX is bug free? |
| 07:50.56 | sweetpi | If you dont like the trolls, dont feed them |
| 07:51.02 | iToast | Did i say mac os x is bug free? |
| 07:51.05 | fasta | Because it isn't. |
| 07:51.16 | fasta | iToast: all platforms suck for more than one reason. |
| 07:51.21 | iToast | sweetpi, is there a !ops command |
| 07:51.26 | iToast | fasta, Stop bitching and sell your computer |
| 07:51.28 | iToast | Go read a book |
| 07:51.44 | fasta | iToast: or I should just buy an IBM zSeries. |
| 07:51.53 | fasta | I think that would be more fun. |
| 07:51.55 | iToast | fasta, and bitch to ibm support? |
| 07:52.08 | simonlnu | trolls: don't feed them. /ignore them. done. |
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| 07:53.08 | fasta | iToast: can you please explain how _I_ cause _unmodified_ software to crash? |
| 07:53.21 | fasta | iToast: all hardware is functioning just fine. |
| 07:53.41 | simonlnu | seriously. drop it. |
| 07:53.48 | fasta | iToast: it is the fault of the developers; that you even want to discuss this already shows a severe lack of something between your ears. |
| 07:53.53 | simonlnu | take it to /msg |
| 07:55.03 | fasta | There are 14 file managers for Linux. |
| 07:55.23 | fasta | I will just use one of the other few candidates. |
| 07:55.28 | simonlnu | !ops fasta won't stop OT discussion |
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| 07:55.28 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: simonlnu complains about: fasta won't stop OT discussion |
| 07:55.35 | simonlnu | you were warned |
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| 07:56.11 | dalias | what's the recommended practice for building and installing a package (already packaged for debian) with one or more additional patches applied? |
| 07:56.38 | dalias | is there a quick-and-easy one-liner for it? |
| 07:56.57 | simonlnu | get source package, put patches in debian/patches, include in series file. no, no one-liner |
| 07:57.30 | fasta | simonlnu: I already stopped. What is your problem? |
| 07:58.06 | dalias | then use dpkg-buildpackage? |
| 07:58.15 | simonlnu | yeh, or debuild |
| 07:58.55 | dalias | k |
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| 08:00.34 | simonlnu | dalias: oh, you might want to add your patch(es) last |
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| 08:01.59 | simonlnu | dalias: you can test it with quilt. also, forgot one more thing, you'll need a file in debian/source/ called format with the format, in this case, '3.0 (quilt)' |
| 08:02.04 | dalias | don't know why the package maintainer is sitting on a high-priority bug report that has an accepted patch and not just packaging a fixed version... |
| 08:02.24 | simonlnu | dunno. not like they're paid ;). |
| 08:02.27 | dalias | :) |
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| 08:03.15 | rainfyre | simonlnu: thank you |
| 08:03.24 | simonlnu | that'll tell it to build it a certain way |
| 08:03.33 | simonlnu | rainfyre: for? |
| 08:03.48 | rainfyre | dealing with that person who was hogging the whole room |
| 08:04.01 | simonlnu | you're welcome |
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| 08:04.32 | cathper | Is there a "best" generic way to handle updates of config files. Here, we have a php.ini which is deployed by Puppet, but history tells me that the Puppet deployed version dates back to when the vikings toured. Handling the tiny tweeks made is an incredibly boring task. I dream of php.ini.local which will be read after php.ini and thus overrule any default configurations. |
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| 08:07.08 | rainfyre | Does anyone here have any experience with using Squeeze on an Android device? Specifically I am looking for how to find out what wifi drivers I need for a Droid X. |
| 08:07.15 | simonlnu | cathper: you could drop stuff in /etc/php5/conf.d/ ? |
| 08:09.49 | cathper | simonlnu: Oh. I see. Though, it's actually /etc/php5/(cli|apache2)/conf.d/ I should be using. |
| 08:10.06 | cathper | I guess. |
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| 08:10.52 | cathper | php --ini tells me that they'll be loaded. Perfect :-) |
| 08:10.57 | cathper | simonlnu: Thanks :-) |
| 08:11.00 | simonlnu | cathper: you can, yeh. they are ;) |
| 08:11.03 | simonlnu | np |
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| 08:11.29 | cathper | I guess /etc/php5/conf.d is for both apache2 and cli and whatever else. |
| 08:11.43 | simonlnu | they all use it |
| 08:11.53 | cathper | "they all"? |
| 08:12.04 | simonlnu | fpm, apache2, cgi, cli |
| 08:12.21 | cathper | php --ini is not looking there as far as I can see. |
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| 08:12.35 | cathper | Well, php --ini tells me that it's not looking there ... |
| 08:12.52 | simonlnu | no, it's looking in whatever, but there's symlinks to the real one (/etc/php5/conf.d) |
| 08:15.07 | cathper | Ahh, the dir is a symlink. |
| 08:15.13 | cathper | I was looking at each file. |
| 08:15.59 | cathper | So if I want different configurations for apache and cli, I'll just remove the symlinks and make a real dir with the .ini files I like? |
| 08:17.43 | cathper | Wait. Maybe it's just ubuntu ... |
| 08:19.56 | cathper | It also holds for squeeze. |
| 08:21.37 | cathper | http://wiki.debian.org/PHP#Upgrading_SAPIs_to_the_new_layout |
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| 08:31.18 | buhman | where does debian store downloaded packages? |
| 08:31.42 | dwfreed | buhman: iirc, /var/cache/apt/packages |
| 08:32.13 | manganese | /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 08:32.22 | dwfreed | yeah, that |
| 08:32.30 | dwfreed | is rusty in debian |
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| 09:15.16 | sephii | eugenmayer: http://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=contents&keywords=htpasswd&mode=path&suite=stable&arch=any |
| 09:15.31 | eugenmayer | sephii: found it already. Thanks |
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| 09:17.05 | Sc0rian | hi all i got a series problem with debian and will have to change all our servers if i cannot fix it today |
| 09:17.32 | Sc0rian | we have packet loss, and when the card has high throughput it takes the card offline |
| 09:17.45 | ar | Sc0rian: what card? |
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| 09:18.09 | Sc0rian | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:18.22 | Sc0rian | version: 1.2.20-k2 |
| 09:18.23 | Sc0rian | driver: e1000e |
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| 09:19.01 | Sc0rian | i have tried most things (even a dlink card, using realtek chipset) |
| 09:19.10 | Sc0rian | different switch, network cable etc |
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| 09:21.33 | Sc0rian | tcpdump -w dump.txt -n -i eth1 154 packets dropped by kernel 30 packets dropped by interface |
| 09:21.59 | Sc0rian | what can i do? |
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| 09:23.05 | ar | Sc0rian: the dlink card also drops packets? |
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| 09:23.39 | Sc0rian | yeah.. i also tried a different driver version on the intel card |
| 09:23.43 | Sc0rian | seemed to make things worse |
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| 09:27.00 | Ceraphin | hi all |
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| 09:27.14 | Sc0rian | what can i do |
| 09:27.15 | Ceraphin | is there here someone who now well postfix and dovecot with mysql? |
| 09:27.49 | Twinkletoes | Ceraphin: I can't say I do, but it will be my intention soon |
| 09:28.13 | Ceraphin | ok let me explain |
| 09:28.18 | Ceraphin | i wanna do an ISP like |
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| 09:28.41 | Ceraphin | with postfix + dovecot + Mysql + Sapmassasin + Amavis + Clamav |
| 09:29.21 | Ceraphin | i have used postfix admin to create the database |
| 09:29.30 | Ceraphin | and i want after to install horde 4 |
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| 09:29.48 | Ceraphin | all this on a debian squeeze which is already in porduction for some websites |
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| 09:30.01 | Ceraphin | did one of you have already do that? |
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| 09:33.15 | Sc0rian | ar what should i look into, please? |
| 09:33.47 | ar | Sc0rian: check IRQ settings? |
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| 09:35.24 | levi501d | I <3 process.nextTick() |
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| 09:35.55 | Sc0rian | Interrupt: pin A routed to IRQ 17 |
| 09:36.53 | ar | Sc0rian: don't you have other devices on the same IRQ as the NIC? |
| 09:37.02 | Sc0rian | i do |
| 09:37.12 | ar | might be the problem |
| 09:37.41 | Sc0rian | how come? |
| 09:37.47 | Sc0rian | change its IRQ? |
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| 09:39.04 | jelly-home | Ceraphin: http://workaround.org/ispmail/squeeze |
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| 09:43.46 | sephii | is there a way to disable console blinking on bell signal in screen? |
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| 09:44.32 | skorzen | Do you guys know of any Web-based tool for managing phone calls? |
| 09:45.05 | skorzen | I mean... For tracking who called, at which times and allow me to send an e-mail to the destination person. |
| 09:45.09 | sephii | nevermind, just found the vbell setting |
| 09:45.15 | skorzen | Not something robust like Asterisk. :-) |
| 09:46.25 | Ceraphin | jelly-home: thanks exactly what i was looking for :) |
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| 09:55.05 | lethias | Having a firmware issue with my wireless card on my dell laptop. Wireless works for a while then i get an error for ipw2100 firmware, it fails to resart the firmware. |
| 09:55.34 | streuner | dpkg, ipw2100 |
| 09:55.34 | dpkg | ipw2100 is a driver supporting the Intel PRO/Wireless 2100 802.11b device, included in mainline since Linux version 2.6.14. Firmware is required, ask me about <non-free sources> and install the firmware-ipw2x00 package to provide. http://wiki.debian.org/ipw2200 #ipw2100 on irc.freenode.net. |
| 09:56.29 | streuner | Channel Nutzer Thema |
| 09:56.29 | streuner | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:56.31 | streuner | hm |
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| 09:58.41 | lethias | streuner: if i needed to know how to install firmware I'd of googled it. |
| 09:58.56 | streuner | lethias: look at the facoid again |
| 09:59.30 | streuner | lethias: you need to add non-free in your sources.list and install firmware-ipw2x00 package |
| 09:59.46 | streuner | lethias: for details read wiki.debian.org/ipw2200 |
| 10:00.04 | lethias | You just full of useful information. lol |
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| 10:00.57 | lethias | I've already referred to these and have non-free. THis is truely all trivial. In any of this information I have read nothing of how to deal with random drop out of network. |
| 10:01.08 | lethias | Nothing referring to a firmware failure. |
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| 10:01.40 | lethias | Nothing of firmware resets. Thus my question as to if anyone had heard of a workround, or patch for such issues. |
| 10:02.29 | streuner | is that stable? |
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| 10:02.50 | streuner | lethias: apt-cache policy firmware-ipw2x00 |
| 10:03.00 | streuner | lethias: and tell us the output in a pastebin |
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| 10:03.33 | lethias | I've installed and tried both a stable install of squeeze, and unstable with identical results. |
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| 10:05.13 | streuner | dpkg, dbugs #615112 |
| 10:05.17 | dpkg | #615112:I[firmware-ipw2x00] firmware-ipw2x00: Very unstable wifi connection on my Thinkpad R50e with WEP encryption (passphrase) with firmware 3.1 (); Fri, 25 Feb 2011 20:21:01 UTC [] |
| 10:05.56 | streuner | dpkg, dbugs #591775 |
| 10:05.59 | dpkg | #591775:N[firmware-ipw2x00] firmware-ipw2x00: WEP does not work with ipw2200 firmware v3.1 (unreproducible moreinfo); Thu, 05 Aug 2010 13:27:05 UTC [] |
| 10:06.07 | lethias | If remember right that fellow was having similar issues but was able to fix by not using tkip encrytion for instance. |
| 10:06.08 | streuner | seems a know problem :-) |
| 10:06.18 | streuner | s/know/known/ |
| 10:06.50 | lethias | Mine still produces same results with open, wep, wpa wpa2 regardless. |
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| 10:07.28 | woshty | can someone point me to documentation how date and time settings like LC_* are made? |
| 10:07.29 | lethias | It works fine for short periods of time. lol hate to say it but i'm gonna have to buy an external usb cable wifi to fix this. |
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| 10:07.32 | lethias | lol |
| 10:07.44 | streuner | lethias: try debian-user ML as well, you might reach here 20-30 people who arent idle, the chance that someone uses the same fw is pretty rare... |
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| 10:09.17 | lethias | Will have to post it up there and see if how my luck fares on there. |
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| 10:10.06 | lethias | Its very aggrivating when your just trying to read email and the network goes down lol. |
| 10:10.09 | lethias | oh wells. |
| 10:10.19 | lethias | Thank you streuner for the assitance. |
| 10:10.24 | streuner | np |
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| 10:12.00 | lethias | I did hope someone else might have the same issue, so far as I've read this is a abundant wireless hardware. Just seems unusual for the issues. |
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| 10:16.11 | zuhataslan | anyone: what does "upstream-dependency" mean? |
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| 10:25.15 | tabakhase | safe-upgrade 5->6 apt/apitude now always kicks a error, already rebooted too: Feb 3 10:31:04 s149 kernel: [ 517.597805] aptitude[5210]: segfault at 7f55b7e11032 ip 00007f55b570c2e3 sp 00007ffff24df5f0 error 6 in libapt-pkg.so.4.10.1[7f55b56af000+100000] |
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| 10:26.12 | Sc0rian | would a IRQ comflict cause a network card problem? |
| 10:26.28 | nsadmin | could |
| 10:26.58 | Sc0rian | when i have high throughput the card reports "Link up" multiple times in messages and tend to just die, i also get packet loss |
| 10:27.08 | nsadmin | a conflict with some active irq and the irq the card is using would/ |
| 10:27.48 | nsadmin | that doesn't sound like an irq conflict |
| 10:28.23 | Sc0rian | what does it sound like |
| 10:28.38 | tabakhase | sudo rm /var/cache/apt/*.bin solved. |
| 10:29.13 | simonlnu | that's weird, unless you had some corruption. |
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| 10:29.29 | Sc0rian | last night the card had some high throughput came this morning the card was no longer responding |
| 10:29.32 | Sc0rian | had to reboot the box |
| 10:29.45 | Sc0rian | pretty series issue |
| 10:29.58 | nsadmin | and after rebooting? |
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| 10:30.02 | simonlnu | 'serious' |
| 10:30.07 | Sc0rian | sorry |
| 10:30.10 | Sc0rian | its ok now |
| 10:30.20 | Sc0rian | but RX packets:10197915 errors:0 dropped:8780 |
| 10:31.08 | simonlnu | dropped packets.. probably overloading it or something |
| 10:31.18 | Sc0rian | e1000e: eth1 NIC Link is Up 1000 Mbps Full Duplex, Flow Control: None this is |
| 10:31.27 | Sc0rian | it spams the message log with this (when it dies) |
| 10:32.20 | Sc0rian | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:32.33 | simonlnu | second time i've seen an issue with an e1000e |
| 10:32.46 | Sc0rian | http://pastie.org/3308251 |
| 10:33.26 | Sc0rian | if i can get this fixed today we are going to change OS.. but i love debian want to try find a fix |
| 10:33.34 | Sc0rian | cannot* |
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| 10:34.01 | simonlnu | suspects hardware or driver |
| 10:34.12 | Sc0rian | i tried a different driver |
| 10:34.43 | Sc0rian | Feb 3 08:46:38 fs1 kernel: [207309.316141] e1000e: eth1 NIC Link is Up 1000 Mbps Full Duplex, Flow Control: None |
| 10:34.43 | Sc0rian | Feb 3 08:46:38 fs1 kernel: [207309.316913] ADDRCONF(NETDEV_CHANGE): eth1: link becomes ready |
| 10:34.45 | Sc0rian | dead. |
| 10:35.03 | Sc0rian | that was after all the "Nic link is up" reports |
| 10:35.11 | lord_rob | Hi ! I have a bug in icedove that I had already encountered in 2005 (it was still called thunderbird). Should I file a new bug report or answer this already open bug to say this bug happened again ? (or both ?) |
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| 10:36.57 | Sc0rian | what should i do?! |
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| 10:37.35 | qwd | lord_rob: answer the already open bug report since it's the same bug |
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| 10:40.38 | Johnny_Giggles | Has Debian ever been ported to the 68k architecture, or to Amiga? |
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| 10:41.07 | Sc0rian | soo...? |
| 10:41.47 | petemc | Johnny_Giggles: yes |
| 10:41.51 | llutz | Johnny_Giggles: http://www.debian.org/ports/m68k/ |
| 10:44.13 | simonlnu | Johnny_Giggles: years ago |
| 10:44.48 | simonlnu | 's first download of debian was m68k |
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| 10:45.56 | Johnny_Giggles | I've often wondered whether it would be possible to run something like Debian on a CPU like the 68000. Obviously it doesn't have memory mapping etc but you could run all programs inside a kind of emulator and emulate a more advanced CPU |
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| 10:50.02 | jasox | Why is dpi changing when I am changing text scaling font in debian, can dpi be fixed ? |
| 10:50.27 | ar | @6 |
| 10:50.30 | ar | whoops |
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| 10:51.15 | Sc0rian | im guessing no one knows |
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| 10:52.19 | CarlyShae | hi all i have just fresh install 5.0.9 it asked me about wireless networks in stupd, but i told it i would configure wireless network later. now im at the kde 3.5 desktop and need to know how to configure wireless network using gui |
| 10:52.26 | rdz | hi. this probably OT: is there a way to remove parts of a binary file from the beginning _in place_ ? |
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| 10:52.40 | rdz | or is there some ringbuffer file type? |
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| 10:53.59 | Sbidicuda | please I need help exporting with nfs a disk from /media/disk to my subnet |
| 10:54.06 | CarlyShae | anyone know this one? |
| 10:54.27 | Ceraphin | Do you now a way to have a file XXXX.cfg with lots of #........ line and to build a file XXXX.2.cfg from this one whitout this command lines? |
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| 10:54.49 | Ceraphin | because i have lots of unusefull line in my configs file i want to take out |
| 10:54.58 | llutz | Ceraphin: grep -v ^# file >newfile |
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| 10:55.15 | Ceraphin | thanks :) |
| 10:55.49 | CarlyShae | anyone? |
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| 10:57.06 | Ceraphin | not working |
| 10:57.20 | petemc | CarlyShae: network manager or wicd are commonly used guis to manage wireless, you might be better off installing squeeze rather then lenny which is due to be unsupported soon |
| 10:57.23 | Ceraphin | take of some lines but not all and don't take of the blank |
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| 10:59.39 | llutz | Ceraphin: grep -Ev '^#|^$' file >newfile |
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| 11:00.46 | hbalxzdl | Ïã¸ÛÃñȻ¹ú¼ÊÉÌÎñ¼¯ÍÅÓÐÏ«˾ÊÇһ¼ÒרҵµĹ«˾·þÎñ»ú¹¹£¬ҵÎñ·¶Χ°üÀ¨ע²á¸÷À˾¡¢¹«˾ÄêÉó¡¢עÏú˰ÎñÖØ×顢Э°ìÏã¸ÛÒøÐпª»§£»¸÷Àà·Ö֧»ú¹¹¡¢É̱ꡢÉçÍÅע²¹«˾¸ÄÃû¡¢µØַ¡¢¶Ê¡¢¹ɶ«¹ɷÝתÈ㻹«˾ÃØÊ顢רÏߵ绰¡¢´úÊÕÐżþ»õ¼þ¡¢´ú±í¹«˾³öͥµȣ¬³ÉÁ¢¼¸ÄêÀ´ÓëÕþ¸®²¿Ãš¢Ïã¸۸÷´óÒøÐж¼½¨Á¢ÁËÁ¼ºõĺÏ×÷»ï°é¹Øϵ£¬ÎÒÃDZü³Ðרҵ·þÎÏÐÅΪ±¾¡¢²»¶ϴ´ÐµĹ¤×÷ÀíÄÐγÉÁËÒÔÏã¸ۡ¢ÉîÛÚΪÖÐÐģ¬·øÉäȫ¹úµķþÎñÌåϵ£¬ÎÒÃǵÄרҵ»áΪÄú´øÀ´×îÖܵ½¡¢×î¿ì½ݡ¢×îºõķþÎñ¡£ |
| 11:00.46 | hbalxzdl | Áªϵ·½ʽ |
| 11:00.46 | hbalxzdl | hbalxzdl@gmail.com |
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| 11:01.10 | Kunda | curious if there are some people here who admin some Wordpress sites on their servers, what strategies do you use for the PHP write access (aka direct filewrites to insall/remove modules/themes/core via the WP UI or the 0777 solution! <disgust>). Please don't say to not install WP is the first place :P Thanks! |
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| 11:01.37 | colo-work | Kunda, take a look at mpm-itk |
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| 11:02.07 | Kunda | colo-work, thanks |
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| 11:02.43 | Kunda | kickass |
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| 11:03.29 | Kunda | colo-work: btw..how much does it slow down httpd ? Also, does nginx have something similar ? |
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| 11:05.07 | masss_ | Hi, what Debian Administrator book can you propose to read? |
| 11:06.29 | colo-work | Kunda, it will significantly increase your process count if you have many vhosts and used a threading MPM before (which you probably didn't do in the first place, since you're using PHP) |
| 11:06.40 | colo-work | I haven't experienced any slowdowns with mpm-itk. |
| 11:06.54 | colo-work | I can't comment on the nginx question, as I'm not very familiar with it |
| 11:07.01 | Sc0rian | so if its not IRQ losing my network card.. what is it? |
| 11:07.05 | colo-work | (but I can attest to the fact that it's WebDAV support sucks donkey balls) |
| 11:07.33 | Kunda | colo-work, thanks for your feedback |
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| 11:09.00 | Kunda | colo-work, just for my own clarity, what other alternatives are you referring to other than PHP ? (like python/django?) |
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| 11:10.07 | hyppias | mass_: must be big and heavy. |
| 11:10.20 | colo-work | Kunda, none, I was just implying that you're probably not using a threading MPM right now, because PHP doesn't work with sich a MPM (generally speaking - there are exceptions to this rule) |
| 11:10.54 | colo-work | however, if you have the choice of using any other runtime than PHP for your needs, then please, by all means, do ;) |
| 11:10.57 | hyppias | mass_: pity they don't provide a sorting on weight on amazon.com |
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| 11:11.21 | Kunda | colo-work, ah, i see :) |
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| 11:15.44 | Sc0rian | so if its not IRQ losing my network card.. what is it? |
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| 11:21.32 | Slydder | hey all: http://slashdot.org/submission/1929875/ask-slashdot-gpl-webhosting-control-panel-alternatives |
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| 11:23.01 | cusco | hi... |
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| 11:23.57 | cusco | I know this is OT, but where could I ask questions about my trouble mounting a mtd jffs2 image ? |
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| 11:24.47 | petemc | cusco: #openwrt ? |
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| 11:25.11 | cusco | right.. |
| 11:25.16 | cusco | trying that .. thanks |
| 11:25.21 | petemc | oh, you're there |
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| 11:25.40 | cusco | :) perhaps you could answer :p |
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| 11:39.41 | gnarface | anyone know if atapi floppy support is enabled by default in the sid kernel? |
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| 11:41.06 | sephii | Kunda: you can go with fastcgi and run the fcgi process as the user owning the website but I never did it, I only played with Apache+fcgi+suexec |
| 11:41.10 | streuner | gnarface: amset:/boot# grep -i atapi config-3.2.0-1-686-pae |
| 11:41.10 | streuner | CONFIG_IDE_ATAPI=y |
| 11:41.10 | streuner | CONFIG_IDE_GD_ATAPI=y |
| 11:42.07 | Slydder | Kunda: or php-fpm which is what I use. |
| 11:42.58 | Kunda | thanks fellas, taking a look |
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| 11:43.51 | banex | hey, anybody has an idea why dynmotd doesn't work if user has zsh set as default shell? |
| 11:43.58 | gnarface | streuner: that's what i get too |
| 11:44.08 | gnarface | streuner: so this zip drive is probably fried then? |
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| 12:06.15 | raj | I can't believe Python 2.6.6 is in the debian repo |
| 12:06.26 | raj | I'll have to use backports to get 2.7? |
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| 12:12.31 | ChrisH | rja, I dont reallz understand the question, this is what I have from debian repos: ii python-minimal 2.7.2-9 minimal subset of the Python language (default version) |
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| 12:16.06 | ksk | raj: http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=python&searchon=names&suite=all§ion=all&sourceid=mozilla-search |
| 12:16.14 | ksk | Crisco: you seem to use testing ;) |
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| 12:17.02 | raj | ChrisH, squeeze has 2.6.6 in the repo's |
| 12:17.10 | ChrisH | ksk, sure, its my desktop system. |
| 12:17.36 | ChrisH | raj, I see, but you did not mention you are using squeeze :) |
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| 12:17.54 | raj | oh, most of you are using wheezy? |
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| 12:18.57 | ChrisH | I only use stable for server systems. testing for anything else and unstable for my Laptop sa thet HW was to new for anything else. |
| 12:19.03 | raj | backports for squeeze has 3.2 |
| 12:19.08 | raj | how am I supposed to get 2.7? |
| 12:19.28 | joar_ | I have been having some trouble with my 3G-modem this day. Before today, it has been automatically recognised as a 3G modem. |
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| 12:20.14 | ksk | raj: you could try using the wheezy ones (edit sources list, pin the package you want, etc pp) but thats not too easy and could make problems (if it works, depends on the dependencies..) |
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| 12:21.13 | ChrisH | joar_, mine (built-in module) does only get recognized if the udev rules are modified, some update did overwrite the rulefile. |
| 12:21.18 | joar_ | It's a Huawei E367 |
| 12:22.23 | Sc0rian | so if its not IRQ losing my network card.. what is it? |
| 12:22.33 | joar_ | ChrisH: I know that I had to do some `modprobe usbserial vendor=0x12d1 product=0x1506` |
| 12:23.55 | joar_ | CrisH: although in the `lsusb` output it shows as 12d1:1446 |
| 12:24.53 | joar_ | ChrisH: sorry, I wondered why tab-completion didnt work. ^^^^ |
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| 12:25.24 | raj | it's for a server |
| 12:25.28 | raj | so I don't wanna do anything risky |
| 12:25.48 | raj | damn, I hope I don't need to switch to ubuntu |
| 12:26.16 | ChrisH | joar_ does it work after the modprobe was done? If yes put the options to the corresponding module config file. |
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| 12:27.12 | joar_ | ChrisH: It did work before today, but not since. |
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| 12:28.09 | ChrisH | What changed today or the past days since you last time used it? Did you powercycle the System incl. the USB Stick? Did you check the messages? |
| 12:28.18 | killown | after upgrade my system, it has now kernel 2.6.26-2-686, I had a problem with this kernel version with ubuntu 11.04, after some hours I can't connect to the google, wget google.com, this gives connection timed out, and it only fix if I restart the system, I remember very well it was a kernel related issuse, something that does conflict with google http protocol, did or does anyone have this issue? |
| 12:29.14 | killown | This only happen with google services |
| 12:29.19 | joar_ | ChrisH: apt-get dist-upgrade yesterday, power cycle laptop this morning, removed and inserted the USB modem repeeatedly |
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| 12:32.27 | nkuttler | !tell raj about backports |
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| 12:33.25 | joar_ | ChrisH: when saying 'messages', do you refer to /var/log/messages? |
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| 12:34.39 | killown | 2.6.26-2-686 + google http protocol == fail! |
| 12:34.55 | joar_ | ChrisH: It seems it is detected as a removable disk. |
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| 12:44.17 | nkuttler | kleanchap: as in vmware? |
| 12:44.44 | kleanchap | nkuttler, Yes |
| 12:45.14 | nkuttler | !tell kleanchap about vmware |
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| 12:56.08 | Rapp | hi everybody! |
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| 12:57.10 | Rapp | i am running stable. php5 seems to have some security issue (CVE-2012-0830) -- does anyone know if that is already fixed in stable? i am running the 5.3.3+squeeze6 |
| 12:57.16 | Rapp | ...version |
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| 12:58.15 | jelly | dpkg, tell Rapp about cve lookup CVE-2012-0830 |
| 12:59.29 | Rapp | jelly: thanks! now i know :) |
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| 13:17.24 | foo | what's the default fsck to check a drive? eg. the regular maintenance one? I forget the parameters. Thanks! I need to check a drive, I'm seeing this: EXT3-fs warning: checktime reached, running e2fsck is recommended |
| 13:18.00 | colo-work | fsck -f /dev/yourdisk |
| 13:18.24 | colo-work | (best to make sure it's unmounted first) |
| 13:18.57 | foo | colo-work: thanks, it is |
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| 13:36.27 | pmjdebruijn | hi all |
| 13:36.55 | pmjdebruijn | does anybody here know if the Debian Installer in squeeze does automatic partition alignment for SSDs? |
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| 13:38.54 | nand` | Is there a sort of “proxy” mail daemon which will grab all of my messages from remote accounts via IMAP or POP3 and deliver them to my local /var/mail folder? |
| 13:39.09 | nand` | So I can use “mail” to access them |
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| 13:43.15 | ChrisH | nand, are you looking for fetchmail? |
| 13:44.05 | nand` | ChrisH: looks good, thanks |
| 13:44.33 | nand` | maybe I just suck at google but I'm surprised by the lack of good resources on linux's mail system and how to use it |
| 13:44.52 | sephii | speaking of fetchmail, I recently switched to getmail, but it doesn't mark my mails as read. Any idea why? |
| 13:44.57 | fellipe | hi people. what is the name of startup disk creator in debian 6? (like it has in ubuntu) ? |
| 13:45.24 | fellipe | hi people. what is the name of startup disk creator package in debian 6? (like it has in ubuntu) ? |
| 13:45.30 | nkuttler | nand`: well if you searched for proxy it's not surprising you didn't find fetchmail :) sometimes dumber searches are better |
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| 13:46.55 | ChrisH | sephii why should a "mail getter" mark mails read? |
| 13:46.56 | SeasluG | nand`, Search HowtoForge |
| 13:47.16 | nand` | nkuttler: I didn't, I searched for “linux mail system”, “linux mail imap”, and similar |
| 13:47.18 | the-M | fellipe: you mean http://live.debian.net/ ? |
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| 13:47.56 | nand` | Most of the stuff I found just redirected me to fully featured mail clients like icedove, or only applied to local mail |
| 13:48.26 | nand` | SeasluG: interesting, thanks |
| 13:48.46 | fellipe | the-M: well, I need the same program wich has in ubuntu, to create any kind of startup disk with ISO images |
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| 13:49.48 | petemc | fellipe: you can use the installer cd as a 'startup disc' |
| 13:49.49 | sephii | ChrisH: because once they are fetched they should be marked as seen, just like fetchmail does |
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| 13:50.42 | fellipe | petemc: look, I need to be able to create any iso startup disk |
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| 13:51.02 | petemc | i dont know what that means |
| 13:51.02 | sephii | or at least provide an option to do so. it's quite annoying to have the imap server still having all mails as unseen |
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| 13:53.28 | the-M | fellipe: you mean to boot an iso from grub2, like e.g. http://www.panticz.de/MultiBootUSB ? |
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| 13:55.14 | fellipe | the-M: No, I mean that program wich has in ubuntu; https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Netbook?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=screenshot-usb-creator.png |
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| 14:04.33 | the-M | fellipe: oh! you mean http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Live_USB_creator ; check out http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_tools_to_create_Live_USB_systems |
| 14:05.18 | foo | colo-work: looks good, I think: http://pastebin.com/9ew8679j |
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| 14:08.59 | gnarface | ,versions libev |
| 14:09.00 | judd | No package named 'libev' was found in i386. |
| 14:09.02 | gnarface | ,versions libev4 |
| 14:09.03 | judd | Package: libev4 on i386 -- sid: 1:4.04-1; wheezy: 1:4.04-1 |
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| 14:09.49 | gnarface | ,versions libev3 |
| 14:09.50 | judd | Package: libev3 on i386 -- lenny: 3.43-1.1; squeeze: 1:3.9-1 |
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| 14:10.36 | fellipe | the-M:thanks, but, do you know the package name in debian 6 wich I can do apt-get install <package> |
| 14:10.42 | fellipe | the-M:thanks, but, do you know the package name in debian 6 wich I can do apt-get install <package> ? |
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| 14:11.23 | fellipe | the-M: ah, live-magic seems to be what I am looking for :) |
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| 14:21.36 | the-M | fellipe: I'm not sure. http://packages.debian.org/lenny/live-magic [Homepage] points to http://live.debian.net/ |
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| 14:22.24 | the-M | fellipe: same with http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/live-magic |
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| 14:26.52 | ghostlines | hi, even if I have a static ipv4 address setup my interface should still accept ipv6 router adverisements right? |
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| 14:28.28 | luxor | Hi, |
| 14:28.43 | luxor | i have some issue configuring freeradius server on debian |
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| 14:29.12 | luxor | i can see via tcpdump request arrive at my server but login stuck on login fail |
| 14:29.23 | luxor | i try to configure freeradius with a chillispot daemon |
| 14:29.43 | luxor | who can help me with that ? |
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| 14:30.00 | iwantu2brich | hi |
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| 14:30.14 | OXX | would you guys recomend installing Gnome3 on the stable version of Debian? |
| 14:30.38 | iwantu2brich | I want to run Mineshafter-proxy.jar on Debian Lenny and this is what I get after running it : |
| 14:30.59 | iwantu2brich | http://paste.ubuntu.com/827636/ |
| 14:31.08 | iwantu2brich | I would appreciate any help |
| 14:31.13 | luxor | one more thing is, with radtest tools i can see login successfull on localhost |
| 14:31.19 | iwantu2brich | and this is how it works on Ubuntu: |
| 14:31.29 | iwantu2brich | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPMqsyCOET0 |
| 14:31.32 | luxor | i'm using a MysQl database to log in |
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| 14:32.47 | user0 | Did there are an how to configure /etc/apt/source.list ? |
| 14:33.07 | user0 | Where are the list of repository ? |
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| 14:33.56 | petemc | iwantu2brich: what does "file Mineshafter-proxy.jar" say ? |
| 14:34.43 | Mephisto | question. |
| 14:34.58 | Mephisto | why debian (or probably any other linux distro) doesn't support multitrack CD images?.. |
| 14:35.07 | Mephisto | mdf, nrg etc... |
| 14:35.28 | Mephisto | i mean... it supports it only when it's single track one... so what can i do here, convert it to something else? |
| 14:36.42 | iwantu2brich | petemc, did I not paste log from pastebin? |
| 14:37.01 | iwantu2brich | u@debian:~$ java -jar /home/h/gostek/ffsciagane/Mineshafter-proxy.jar |
| 14:37.01 | iwantu2brich | Current proxy version: 3.2 |
| 14:37.01 | iwantu2brich | Gotten proxy version: 3.2 |
| 14:37.01 | iwantu2brich | Editing launcher failed: |
| 14:37.01 | iwantu2brich | java.util.zip.ZipException: ZIP file must have at least one entry |
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| 14:37.26 | iwantu2brich | at java.net.URLClassLoader.findClass(URLClassLoader.java:205) |
| 14:37.28 | iwantu2brich | at java.lang.ClassLoader.loadClass(ClassLoader.java:321) |
| 14:37.29 | iwantu2brich | at java.lang.ClassLoader.loadClass(ClassLoader.java:266) |
| 14:37.32 | iwantu2brich | at mineshafter.MineClient.startLauncher(MineClient.java:94) |
| 14:37.34 | iwantu2brich | at mineshafter.MineClient.startLauncher(MineClient.java:108) |
| 14:37.35 | iwantu2brich | at mineshafter.MineClient.main(MineClient.java:77) |
| 14:37.39 | petemc | iwantu2brich: stop! |
| 14:37.51 | petemc | iwantu2brich: i read your paste, read my question again |
| 14:37.51 | iwantu2brich | hmm yes I know i want to paste www. pastebin |
| 14:37.57 | iwantu2brich | ok I will |
| 14:38.17 | banex | :D |
| 14:38.38 | iwantu2brich | petemc, how can I understand this, I'm Polish... |
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| 14:39.11 | petemc | iwantu2brich: type the command file Mineshafter-proxy.jar |
| 14:39.14 | petemc | tell me the output |
| 14:39.16 | iwantu2brich | ok |
| 14:40.03 | iwantu2brich | Mineshafter-proxy.jar: cannot execute binary file |
| 14:40.13 | Trewas | Mephisto: at least cue/bin format is supported by some programs |
| 14:40.16 | OXX | what a crowd, WHAT A CROWD!!!! |
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| 14:40.35 | iwantu2brich | petemc, ? |
| 14:40.38 | Mephisto | Trewas, even that didn't work for me. Which program works? |
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| 14:41.14 | Mephisto | as i can see all i can do is to burn the image on a CD, aaand i have to do it in windows, right? |
| 14:41.21 | petemc | iwantu2brich: you didnt run the command i suggested |
| 14:41.21 | Mephisto | but that's screwed up. |
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| 14:41.35 | ghostlines | debian should be able to accept ipv6 advertisements by default? |
| 14:41.35 | Trewas | Mephisto: cdrdao in the commandline, and most of the GUI cd-burners seem to depend on it |
| 14:41.40 | Mephisto | ah... |
| 14:41.43 | Mephisto | i see. |
| 14:41.44 | Mephisto | thanks |
| 14:42.24 | ChrisH | iwantu2brich: check read permissions of the file and second jar tvf $FILE or unzip -l $FILE to check the integrity of the file itself |
| 14:42.47 | iwantu2brich | u@debian:/home/h/gostek/ffsciagane$ file Mineshafter-proxy.jar |
| 14:42.47 | iwantu2brich | Mineshafter-proxy.jar: Zip archive data, at least v2.0 to extract |
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| 14:44.03 | iwantu2brich | this is .jar file I cannot unzip it |
| 14:44.07 | iwantu2brich | can I? |
| 14:44.35 | ChrisH | iwantu2brich: jar format is zip.. so unzip -l $FILE should show the content and check the file itself. |
| 14:45.02 | iwantu2brich | ok, I will and then what? |
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| 14:45.54 | ChrisH | iwantu2brich next steps depend on the result of the checks you are doing right now |
| 14:46.07 | iwantu2brich | now I unzip it and have: |
| 14:46.27 | iwantu2brich | u@debian:/home/h/gostek/ffsciagane/Mineshafter$ ls |
| 14:46.27 | iwantu2brich | META-INF mineshafter Util.class |
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| 14:47.23 | iwantu2brich | there are only .class files in the folders |
| 14:47.26 | ChrisH | iwantu2brich I did not told you to unzip the jar! Just to run unzip -l $FILE |
| 14:47.32 | iwantu2brich | and MANIFEST.MF |
| 14:47.39 | abrotman | there should be installation instructions |
| 14:47.54 | iwantu2brich | ok |
| 14:48.41 | ChrisH | iwantu2brich this was just a test to make sure the jarfile is OK. As the Stacktrace complained about ZIP errors |
| 14:49.05 | iwantu2brich | now I have this: |
| 14:49.07 | iwantu2brich | http://paste.ubuntu.com/827671/ |
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| 14:50.09 | iwantu2brich | ChanServ, so its correct? |
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| 14:52.29 | ChrisH | iwantu2brich a quick google search pointed me to: http://cwraig.id.au/?p=295 check these options |
| 14:52.42 | iwantu2brich | ok |
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| 14:53.24 | ChrisH | iwantu2brich, it might be a simple mv Mineshafter-server.jar mineshafter-server.jar |
| 14:54.21 | kleanchap | How do you setup notifications for evolution email in gnome? |
| 14:54.27 | iwantu2brich | yes Minecraft works and I wanted to tell you this but only Mineshafter-proxy.jar does not |
| 14:54.41 | iwantu2brich | ok I do this what you saying |
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| 14:55.26 | Fratyr | How can I check which version of package will be installed when using apt-get ? |
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| 14:55.53 | ChrisH | Fratyr: apt-get -s install $PACKAGE? |
| 14:55.58 | Fratyr | thank you |
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| 14:56.31 | iwantu2brich | OK I've done this and its the same : http://paste.ubuntu.com/827678/ |
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| 14:57.33 | ChrisH | iwantu2brich its not the same. before it was java.lang.ClassNotFoundException: net.minecraft.LauncherFrame and now its java.lang.NullPointerException while downloading missing parts! |
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| 14:58.11 | iwantu2brich | CrazyGir, OK so what it means? |
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| 15:00.47 | iwantu2brich | ChanServ, why it works on Ubuntu and not on Debian Lenny? |
| 15:00.53 | Sbidicuda | hi |
| 15:01.03 | iwantu2brich | I have java installed new wersion |
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| 15:01.33 | Sbidicuda | to what group a user should be in to access usbfs? |
| 15:01.57 | somiaj | Sbidicuda: what do you mean by usbfs? |
| 15:01.58 | iwantu2brich | ChrisH, did you saw youtube how to ? |
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| 15:02.21 | iwantu2brich | what I should do next ? |
| 15:02.36 | somiaj | Fratyr: apt-cache policy <pkgname> -- that is very useful info |
| 15:02.56 | Fratyr | alright, thanks |
| 15:03.04 | Sbidicuda | somiaj: I've got a dfu peripherals that needs usbfs but I can access it only as root |
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| 15:03.30 | ChrisH | iwantu2brich: no. I have no time to watch youtube. Did you read the Link I posted? There comments are really long and you inital error is mentioned there |
| 15:04.36 | iwantu2brich | yes I was on this site, but it shows how to run minecraft.jar whitch works on my debian, not for Mineshafter-proxy.jar |
| 15:04.37 | somiaj | Sbidicuda: ahh, ok just making sure you weren't just talking about a usb mass storage deviece, look up 'usbfs' in 'man mount' it gives you options to control the ower/group of the file system |
| 15:04.50 | Sbidicuda | somiaj: thanks |
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| 15:04.54 | nh2 | how can I instruct dpkg-buildpackage to only build a certain target from debian/rules? |
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| 15:09.02 | kleanchap | How do I find out the CPU I have is 32bit or 64bit? |
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| 15:09.21 | Sbidicuda | kleanchap: cat /etc/cpuinfo |
| 15:09.37 | Sc0rian | proc* |
| 15:10.17 | Sc0rian | cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 15:10.30 | kleanchap | Sbidicuda, Thnx |
| 15:10.35 | kleanchap | Sc0rian, Thnx |
| 15:10.37 | Sbidicuda | kleanchap: np |
| 15:11.08 | Sc0rian | anyone can help me if a network card issues on debian?! |
| 15:11.22 | Sbidicuda | Sc0rian: what kind? |
| 15:11.37 | Sc0rian | packet loss, lose the card after heavy load |
| 15:11.52 | Sc0rian | i guessed IRQ conflict.. but dont think so |
| 15:11.54 | Sbidicuda | did you check the cables? |
| 15:12.03 | Sc0rian | yeah and changed the switch |
| 15:12.06 | Sbidicuda | what lspci said? |
| 15:12.10 | petemc | Sc0rian: what kernel ? |
| 15:12.17 | Sc0rian | 2.6.32-5-amd64 |
| 15:12.36 | ChrisH | iwantu2brich: from http://mineshafter.appspot.com/instructions/troubleshooting search for java.lang.ClassNotFoundException |
| 15:12.37 | Sbidicuda | I'm using it right now, never a problem |
| 15:12.45 | Sbidicuda | Sc0rian: is it an integrated board? |
| 15:12.51 | Sc0rian | i have 4 servers that are the same, all have the same problem |
| 15:12.55 | iwantu2brich | OK thanks |
| 15:12.57 | Sc0rian | no, its a pci-e card |
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| 15:13.06 | Sc0rian | but the onboard seems to be losing packets too |
| 15:13.40 | Sc0rian | but no way as many |
| 15:13.42 | Sbidicuda | Sc0rian: intel? |
| 15:13.47 | Sc0rian | yeah |
| 15:13.51 | Sc0rian | e1001e driver |
| 15:13.54 | Sc0rian | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:13.58 | thewanderer1 | what specific card? |
| 15:14.08 | Sc0rian | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:14.11 | iwantu2brich | ChrisH, I was on that sites and never found any help, I should try to run ubuntu, maybe it will work |
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| 15:14.24 | Sbidicuda | Sc0rian: network config? |
| 15:14.33 | Sc0rian | in what sense? |
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| 15:16.24 | Sc0rian | problem is, if i cant fix it, my manager will want to change distro |
| 15:16.28 | Sc0rian | which i dont want to do. |
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| 15:17.07 | petemc | if your problem is with kernel then distro potentially doesnt matter |
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| 15:17.38 | Sc0rian | would IRQ conflict cause this issue? |
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| 15:23.28 | Sbidicuda | Sc0rian: distro is not the problem, try a live debian with kernel 3.1 |
| 15:23.58 | Sc0rian | see if the problem goes away going back a distro? |
| 15:24.36 | Sbidicuda | somiaj: it doesn't work, mount usbfs with devmode=0666 doesn't change the behavior |
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| 15:26.34 | bviktor | MestreLion++ |
| 15:26.35 | somiaj | Sbidicuda: there are vaiours modes, dev, bus and list, I don't know anything about what usbfs does, was hoping you had enough knowledge to understand the differences |
| 15:26.39 | somiaj | Sbidicuda: play around, (: |
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| 15:27.59 | Sc0rian | would it be a idea to try a backports kernel? |
| 15:29.38 | Sbidicuda | somiaj: ok |
| 15:29.41 | Sbidicuda | somiaj: thanks |
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| 15:29.48 | Sbidicuda | Sc0rian: no |
| 15:29.54 | Sbidicuda | Sc0rian: use a more recent kernel |
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| 15:30.25 | jhutchins_wk | Sc0rian: We've been hearing about problems with an e1000e, but I think it's the same guy day after day <grin>. |
| 15:30.35 | Sc0rian | ha :) |
| 15:30.49 | Sc0rian | he doesnt even change names! |
| 15:31.30 | jhutchins_wk | Sc0rian: I think there's a sourceforge page for the driver, you might check their mailing list and see if they're aware of a problem. |
| 15:31.41 | Sbidicuda | somiaj: the device is: crw-rw-r-T 1 root root 189, 259 Feb 3 16:13 004 |
| 15:32.37 | Sc0rian | yeah maybe.. i have tried the newer driver from that page but the problem seem to have got worse.. the driver on my current kenerl seems old.. but this is the latest kernel from my apt? |
| 15:32.38 | jhutchins_wk | Sc0rian: What kind of services are causing the heavy loads on the connection? |
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| 15:32.43 | Sc0rian | gluster |
| 15:32.55 | somiaj | Sbidicuda: again I have no clue what usbfs does and why there are three different options to set uid, gid, and umask |
| 15:33.04 | somiaj | Sbidicuda: go read up on it |
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| 15:33.24 | jhutchins_wk | Sc0rian: Newer packages sometimes induce new problems, older packages have a chance to be tested and patched. |
| 15:33.30 | allure | Hi ... :) I'm implementing a transparent proxy the wrong way. Squid logs are showing the gateway's IP for everything. Here are the iptables relevant rules: http://pastebin.com/YBvUfTdx -- Needing tips... Anyone? :) Thank you |
| 15:33.55 | jhutchins_wk | We've reached a point in Linux where newer is not always better. |
| 15:34.03 | Sc0rian | yeah |
| 15:34.23 | Sc0rian | i put down my problem to a kenerl issue.. |
| 15:34.31 | Sc0rian | since i have nothing else to point it too |
| 15:36.45 | zykotick9 | jhutchins_wk: testify ;) |
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| 15:37.04 | Sc0rian | jhutchins_wk couldnt i just try going back a kernel version? |
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| 15:40.16 | somiaj | Sc0rian: in squeeze you have to be careful, because you need a kernel that supports udev (so just going to lenny's kernel version will break that) |
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| 15:40.33 | Sc0rian | ill stay squeeze :) |
| 15:40.45 | somiaj | you tried a backported kernel (going newer)? |
| 15:40.53 | Sc0rian | i suggested that |
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| 15:42.02 | somiaj | grabing a backported kernel from backports.debian.org will be an easy thing to test to see if it fixes the issues |
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| 15:43.36 | thewanderer1 | btw. has backports fixed CVE-2012-0056 already? |
| 15:43.42 | Sc0rian | how do i get a newer kernel to install? seems a dumb question (sorry!) I tried, it moaned about older versions of dependecies.. do you know of a nice guidance |
| 15:44.42 | somiaj | Sc0rian: backports.debian.org (then it is just apt-get -t squeeze-backports linux-image-3.2-foo, where foo contains info about kernel version and usually has a bpo attackhed to say its backported |
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| 15:44.51 | somiaj | you can also grab 3.1 and 2.6.39 from those sources |
| 15:45.05 | somiaj | Sc0rian: most the work has been done, you just need to add backports to your sources. |
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| 15:45.33 | Sc0rian | require a reboot? |
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| 15:45.38 | Sc0rian | i never do.. |
| 15:45.40 | somiaj | to boot onto the new kernel |
| 15:45.44 | somiaj | but to install it no |
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| 15:46.10 | somiaj | to use it yes, there may be fancy ways to change kernel version on the fly, but really does't make thigns easier |
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| 15:48.05 | somiaj | thewanderer1: you'd probabaly have to check the actual change log in the package, they don't get security fixes (and most backports are from wheezy so at least have to wait for the fix to drift that far). |
| 15:48.20 | Sc0rian | http://pastie.org/3309771 |
| 15:48.20 | Fratyr | is it okay to use backports packages on production server? |
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| 15:48.49 | petemc | generally, yes, the packages in backports are created by debian developers |
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| 15:49.16 | petemc | normal caveats about newer software apply, obviously |
| 15:49.36 | Fratyr | actually I only need mongodb from there... as it's updating freaky slowly in a stable repo. :< |
| 15:49.48 | Fratyr | but mongo pulls a lot of system packages like gcc as well |
| 15:52.02 | somiaj | Fratyr: the only issue is no securty patches like regular packages. So if one of your backported packages is found to have a security hole (that effects your system) you may want to do something about it. |
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| 15:53.02 | Fratyr | why can't they update regular packages more frequently? mongo in stable is 1.4, but official stable release is at 2.0.2 :/ what can take so long.. |
| 15:53.06 | thewanderer1 | I've actually seen some BSA's out there, but they seem extremely lazy |
| 15:53.20 | thewanderer1 | Fratyr, because stable never changes after release and that's it. |
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| 15:53.41 | Fratyr | :| |
| 15:54.05 | thewanderer1 | just use the 10gen-provided repository, the packages are not as pretty as official Debian ones but at least they're current |
| 15:54.08 | shaullx | Hey, i got a problem with my remote VNC server, the clipboard between the VNC and me isn't working, it used to work but it stopped for some reason |
| 15:54.10 | Fratyr | so the packages will be updated after wheezy release? |
| 15:54.20 | somiaj | Fratyr: think you don't udnerstand the advantages of a frozen (well mostly frozen) stable system. |
| 15:54.32 | jelly | Fratyr: if your solution depended on latest mongodb, you'd use the rest of Debian and maintain backported packages yourself |
| 15:54.37 | somiaj | only security/bug fixes, versions will probabaly never change (except in rare circumstances) |
| 15:54.41 | thewanderer1 | Fratyr, Wheezy will release with new versions, after which it will stay with them forever |
| 15:55.07 | Fratyr | somiaj: I do, but not in a web world. you can't use that outdated packages.. just can't. |
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| 15:55.33 | Fratyr | thewanderer1: I see how it works now.. thank you |
| 15:55.42 | thewanderer1 | Fratyr, what feature of 2.0 do you need that's not in 1.4? |
| 15:55.58 | somiaj | Fratyr: many can and do. But it really depends on the audiance of your content. |
| 15:56.41 | shaullx | any ideas? :3 |
| 15:57.04 | somiaj | most web pages don't need fancy new feature Y, but they add it anyways. |
| 15:57.29 | Fratyr | thewanderer1: performance increase and map reduce added, mostly |
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| 15:57.58 | Fratyr | can't think right now of more perks I'd need |
| 15:58.23 | thewanderer1 | get the one from their repo, then (having ensured it's not in backports) :P |
| 15:58.35 | arietis | how can i resize partition in gparted? option is inactive and i can't unmount it :S |
| 15:58.50 | Fratyr | and centOS repo behaves the same as debian? or they do regular updates? |
| 15:58.51 | somiaj | arietis: what partition do you want to resize? |
| 15:59.25 | arietis | somiaj: the only one i have with data |
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| 15:59.47 | somiaj | arietis: as in your root partitoin in which your OS is running off of? |
| 15:59.49 | karlpinc | Fratyr: You'd have to see the redhat docs. They do some upgrades, sometimes, for a while. Then later they do the same. |
| 15:59.55 | arietis | somiaj: yes |
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| 16:00.19 | somiaj | arietis: you see the error in your was as to why you can't resize it yet? Get a live system, and reisize it from the live system in which you are not running off the partition |
| 16:00.19 | arietis | somiaj: i'm under VM so just want to extend image size |
| 16:00.26 | Fratyr | karlpinc: I think 10gen holds a squeeze repo for mongo... |
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| 16:00.46 | somiaj | arietis: in that case you may have to get tools to grow the VM image size while the VM is not running |
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| 16:01.05 | karlpinc | What's the difference between ps's sz and vzs. The man page says sz is "core" image, what then is vsz, something that includes memory mapped files? |
| 16:01.44 | arietis | somiaj: i did it but space is unallocated now |
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| 16:01.54 | arietis | so i wanna merge it with main partition |
| 16:02.18 | karlpinc | Fratyr: As noted, if somebody else is not packaging for you then you can always backport yourself/build from source/etc. But of course you're then doing your own system's integration. (See also footnote 1 of http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSoftware for related comments.) |
| 16:02.29 | arietis | should i run some live cd to use gparted under it? |
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| 16:03.15 | iderik | How do I change permission on a file named "-i"? :) |
| 16:03.35 | DustyDingo | hm? |
| 16:03.47 | manganese | iderik: chmod 0700 ./-i |
| 16:04.04 | iderik | nvm, i got it :) "chmod 000 -- -i" |
| 16:04.11 | iderik | manganese: works too :) |
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| 16:04.41 | karlpinc | iderik: You have the more general solution, or so I believe. |
| 16:04.42 | jhutchins_wk | iderik: It is not standard practice to have filenames beginning with a dash, that may cause problems for some commands. |
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| 16:04.56 | manganese | Yeah, only mine's portable (" -- " is a GNU extension that probably won't work if you ever find yourself working on solaris or BSD) |
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| 16:05.17 | karlpinc | manganese: Good point. |
| 16:05.22 | ChrisH | manganese: this is not true for solaris! |
| 16:05.29 | iderik | jhutchins_wk: i havnt though about other commands but it is the purpose for "rm" |
| 16:05.50 | manganese | ChrisH: I'll take that one back then :-) |
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| 16:06.28 | ChrisH | iderik: thats ugly... |
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| 16:07.14 | manganese | Wouldn't 'alias rm ="rm -i"' be a better solution? |
| 16:07.45 | ChrisH | manganese, I tend to use allways |
| 16:07.46 | iderik | manganese: that wont work for "rm -f", since -f is the final call and overrides -i |
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| 16:07.59 | ChrisH | manganese, I tend to use allways \rm to get rid of these -i alias stiff |
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| 16:08.16 | boudiccas | does anyone here use 'gwhere' please? is there a limitation of files catalogued greater than 2gigs? |
| 16:08.41 | Sc0rian | linux-image-3.2.0-0.bpo.1-amd64 depends on linux-base (>= 3~); however: |
| 16:08.50 | manganese | iderik: So only use -f when you _know_ you really mean it. And what ever you do, don't create any files called -f! |
| 16:08.56 | Sc0rian | cant find download to linux-base >= 3 |
| 16:08.59 | morphje | i've been pondering (and googling) about how to google for routing /32 networks. with openvpn you route everything to a single IP without sacrificing a broadcast and network IP. Any suggestions on how to call that? Must have a specific name |
| 16:09.03 | Sc0rian | ive downloaded the BPO one |
| 16:09.06 | iderik | manganese: haha :) |
| 16:09.12 | Sc0rian | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:09.17 | Sc0rian | what can i do? |
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| 16:10.15 | thewanderer1 | !wayttd morphje |
| 16:10.15 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, morphje? |
| 16:10.31 | ChrisH | morphje My openvpn uses 4 IPs for each client! Network, Broadcast, Server, and client |
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| 16:10.48 | Fratyr | squeeze is on "debian-sysvinit" or "ubuntu-upstart" style init scripts? :| |
| 16:11.00 | user0 | I have to install a firmware, i have the .fw file someone can help please ? |
| 16:11.01 | ChrisH | manganese even better touch -- -r -f |
| 16:11.20 | karlpinc | ChrisH: That's only necessary to make it work with MS. If you're using a sane os you can use one. |
| 16:11.30 | thewanderer1 | Fratyr, come on, take a wild guess... |
| 16:11.30 | karlpinc | !tell Fratyr about insserv |
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| 16:11.44 | morphje | thewanderer1, well basicly what i want to do i setup a management network so that all traffic must pass the firewall and all hosts will only listen to that firewall. But what i don't want is to set up 20 gateway adresses as i would have to with /30's |
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| 16:12.51 | morphje | ChrisH: at my work openvpn uses only one gateway IP, but sadly i'm no longer the sysadmin there, so no change of digging through the config ;) |
| 16:13.00 | karlpinc | likes aliasing cp and mv with: alias mv='mv --string-trailing-slashes' |
| 16:13.06 | thewanderer1 | morphje, so use /32 routes (point-to-point) based on MAC addresses instead of IP, it's a hack but works |
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| 16:13.24 | karlpinc | s/string/strip/ *sigh* |
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| 16:15.26 | karlpinc | What's the difference between ps's sz and vzs. The man page says sz is "core" image, what then is vsz, something that includes memory mapped files? |
| 16:16.22 | thewanderer1 | karlpinc, yeah, vsz is the whole allocated address space, including mmap()ped files, libraries etc. |
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| 16:16.55 | karlpinc | thewanderer1: Whoops. Forgot about libraries. Anything else I forgot about? (;-) |
| 16:17.00 | jhutchins_wk | Fratyr: Debian is transitioning to LSB init scripts. |
| 16:17.57 | thewanderer1 | karlpinc, cat /proc/$$/maps and see |
| 16:17.58 | daemonkeeper | jhutchins_wk: was. |
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| 16:18.14 | karlpinc | jhutchins_wk: I'm wondering what systemd does. It seems the direction things are going. (I was on a fedora 16 system the other day and it uses systemd.) |
| 16:18.14 | daemonkeeper | jhutchins_wk: It was transitioned towards the Squeeze release. |
| 16:18.17 | jhutchins_wk | daemonkeeper: There's a quirk or two left here and there. |
| 16:18.22 | daemonkeeper | jhutchins_wk: Yep |
| 16:18.49 | morphje | thewanderer1, could do that. I was hoping that there was an easy option instead of dirty hacks. But as it seems my openvpn client logs are stuffed with lots of route additions. so that seems the only way :S |
| 16:18.58 | thewanderer1 | karlpinc, systemd is less generic, though (we have scripts, they manage "services") ;P |
| 16:19.11 | ChrisH | karlpinc: I normally only refer to RSS and VSZ and ignore other sizes :) |
| 16:19.13 | jhutchins_wk | wheezy seems to have some problems with programs that depend on networking. Not sure if it's a new problem, or if it's caused by a glitch in the newer network drivers taking longer to bring up an interface. |
| 16:19.24 | thewanderer1 | morphje, that's how OpenVZ does it with its "virtual IP" addresses for containers |
| 16:19.55 | thewanderer1 | jhutchins_wk, if you mean GNOME programs, network-manager is likely the culprit... |
| 16:20.07 | karlpinc | ChrisH: That's what I've always paid attention to, but I like to think I know what I'm looking at. :) |
| 16:20.26 | jhutchins_wk | thewanderer1: No, programs like bind and mysql. |
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| 16:22.53 | karlpinc | thewanderer1: Is /proc/$$/maps the right place to look or is there a "better" place in /sys/? /sys/ always confuses me. It seems like /proc would be the place for processes but.... |
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| 16:23.08 | thewanderer1 | karlpinc, only /proc |
| 16:23.18 | karlpinc | thewanderer1: Thanks. |
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| 16:24.35 | boudiccas | does anyone here use 'gwhere' please? is there a limitation of files catalogued greater than 2gigs? |
| 16:24.49 | ChrisH | karlpinc: from solaris man ps -> http://pastebin.com/3ydfFsS1 |
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| 16:25.56 | karlpinc | ChrisH: Thanks. |
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| 16:28.41 | qdb | hello. i see gimp update in apt get dist upgrade but i do not see it in http://www.debian.org/security/ |
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| 16:29.30 | qdb | i ll look other lace |
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| 16:30.40 | nsadmin | qdb, must not be a security update then |
| 16:31.04 | qdb | found http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/g/gimp/gimp_2.6.10-1+squeeze1/changelog |
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| 16:31.17 | daemonkeeper | gimp Fix printing when used with libcairo |
| 16:31.18 | daemonkeeper | version 1.10 or above |
| 16:31.29 | daemonkeeper | Noted in the 6.0.4 point release notes. |
| 16:31.38 | hyppias | I install from DVD onto an USB stick, making the usb partition the only one on the stick and bootable. Install goes as planned, only tafterwards, the USB stick refuses to boot. The BIOS shows the stick as the first HD, not as a removeable. WHat am I doing wrong here? |
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| 16:32.26 | Sbidicuda | somiaj: solved, I wrote an udev rule |
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| 16:32.50 | nsadmin | qdb, if you still havent' got the update yes, try apt-cache policy gimp |
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| 16:33.06 | nsadmin | update yet |
| 16:33.26 | luxor | hi here, can i have help with a remote freeradius server and error : "ignoring request to authentication address port 1812 from unknown client $IP" please ? |
| 16:33.32 | qdb | thank you |
| 16:33.39 | Mad_Gouki | hey, does anyone know where the applicatosn folder is in os x? |
| 16:33.40 | qdb | i ll have pressed Y |
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| 16:33.44 | qdb | i have pressed |
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| 16:34.13 | luxor | i precise this config work in localhost mode, but not remote |
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| 16:38.17 | ksx4system | why kernel doesn't recognize VIA Padlock (padlock-aes, padlock-sha and via_rng modules) in my CPU? |
| 16:38.57 | ksx4system | I'm 100% sure that my CPU has these features and it's old enough to have support (VIA Eden, Samuel 2 core - it's supported since around 2.6.25) |
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| 16:40.46 | thewanderer1 | ksx4system, does it error out on module loading? |
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| 16:42.46 | ksx4system | thewanderer1: yes, it does. http://paste.debian.net/154666/ |
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| 16:43.44 | thewanderer1 | ksx4system, err, any reason you're not running the -686 kernel? |
| 16:44.12 | ksx4system | thewanderer1: It's not 686 cpu as far as I know (no cmov for example) |
| 16:44.28 | ChrisH | I tested on a model name : VIA Eden Processor 1200MHz |
| 16:44.46 | ChrisH | runing 2.6.32-5-686 and there these modules loaded witrhout errors |
| 16:45.03 | ksx4system | ChrisH: do you have cmov CPU flag? |
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| 16:45.31 | ChrisH | ksx4system: yes |
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| 16:45.47 | ksx4system | ChrisH: well, I don't :( |
| 16:46.02 | thewanderer1 | hmm, tried an earlier kernel? |
| 16:46.03 | ksx4system | three VIA boxes and none of them has it |
| 16:46.33 | ksx4system | thewanderer1: nope, only 2.6.39-bpo.2-486 |
| 16:46.56 | thewanderer1 | maybe it's a regression in bpo... |
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| 16:47.22 | thewanderer1 | ksx4system, I'd try the stable kernel then |
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| 16:47.44 | ksx4system | thewanderer1: didn't work on another box (a bit faster Eden, 533MHz) |
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| 16:48.00 | nsadmin | how do you list xen domains? |
| 16:48.01 | ksx4system | + it still doesn't work on 3.1 kernel (I just tried that) |
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| 16:48.43 | thewanderer1 | ksx4system, "doesn't work" is a bit vague |
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| 16:49.30 | ksx4system | thewanderer1: it's perfectly clear. I get the same error as mentioned in my paste |
| 16:49.55 | thewanderer1 | aha, you meant the module, not the whole kernel |
| 16:50.08 | ksx4system | exactly :) |
| 16:50.19 | nsadmin | actually nm, I don't seem to be running as a dom0 |
| 16:50.23 | ksx4system | well, I'll try -686 kernel |
| 16:50.35 | ksx4system | in worst case I'll have to uninstall it |
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| 16:51.40 | thewanderer1 | ksx4system, http://www.via.com.tw/en/products/processors/specs.jsp hmmm? |
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| 16:52.56 | ksx4system | thewanderer1: ok... this explains why two of my boxes are not compatible (Eden ESP) but one of them is perfectly compatible Eden-N |
| 16:53.44 | thewanderer1 | ksx4system, what's the cpuinfo and what kernel are you running? |
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| 16:55.24 | ksx4system | thewanderer1: http://paste.debian.net/154670/ |
| 16:55.26 | nsadmin | , file bin/xen |
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| 16:55.31 | judd | No packages in squeeze/i386 were found with that file. |
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| 16:55.50 | ksx4system | thewanderer1: it turns out that I'll have to buy another box for Tor server :( |
| 16:56.17 | thewanderer1 | happens |
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| 16:57.05 | thewanderer1 | (you might want to consolidate the various stuff laying around in a single low-power Xeon (L* series) or Opteron system and send the remaining Via's to me :P ) |
| 16:57.40 | ksx4system | thewanderer1: no way, I'll just use VIA boxes for usage which doesn't need fast ciphering :P |
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| 16:59.51 | ChrisH | ksx4system, does that mean my system has a HW crypto unit if these modules do load? |
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| 17:23.23 | drhouse123 | Hi! I have trouble with Debian 6. There's very low screen resolution when using nouveau. My card is NV 560GTX |
| 17:23.45 | Koheleth | drhouse123: nice card |
| 17:23.54 | jonko | Koheleth : you will be kicked out of here if |
| 17:24.22 | Koheleth | poxy 260 here but runs most |
| 17:24.43 | Koheleth | whats new :) just logged on man |
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| 17:24.50 | Koheleth | sry |
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| 17:25.22 | drhouse123 | What needed to fix it ? |
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| 17:25.36 | drhouse123 | what is * |
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| 17:30.08 | nsadmin | drhouse123, shift-8, star, asterisk |
| 17:30.12 | niteye | hello there |
| 17:30.43 | niteye | when will debian get a higher kernel version in stable ? they are now at 2.6.32 but it needs 2.6.33 or higher to have sound through HDMI |
| 17:30.57 | nsadmin | look in backports |
| 17:32.12 | nsadmin | generally speaking, a stable release is -released- and -never- gets new versions of anything, since it's already been released |
| 17:32.35 | nsadmin | but, look in backports |
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| 17:33.58 | Garp | Hi. |
| 17:34.10 | niteye | so stable will stay on 2.6.32 forever? |
| 17:34.20 | Garp | Question: what does that means if "cryptsetup status /dev/mapper smoedevie" returns nothing ? |
| 17:34.23 | Garp | thanks. |
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| 17:35.05 | nsadmin | niteye, in the official repo, yes. but, see backports. |
| 17:35.34 | nsadmin | unless a VERY serious problem comes up |
| 17:36.10 | nsadmin | this is part of why debian is STABLE. |
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| 17:36.44 | ampex | niteye: you may want to look at ubuntu if you need bleeding edge functionality |
| 17:37.46 | niteye | no ubuntu wants to update like every 10 seconds it annoys me |
| 17:38.26 | niteye | and i cant stand the brown default background, it reminds me of feces too much |
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| 17:38.45 | ElDiabolo | niteye, Then testing isn't a suggestion, either. |
| 17:39.21 | nsadmin | so.... you want the very stability I referred to earlier |
| 17:39.26 | jhutchins_wk | I was installing sun-java6-jdk in an ssh session from a workstation that is offline now. aptitude seems to be hung waiting for me to acknowledge the license (aptitude/dpkg/sh/whiptail). |
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| 17:39.55 | jhutchins_wk | None of the processes respond to kill -HUP. WHich one should be kill -9'ed? |
| 17:40.13 | manganese | jhutchins_wk: Yes, it does that. There's a way of preloading your response, although I forget the exact incantation. google / ddg will know |
| 17:40.21 | niteye | yep i want the stability, so when the next debian gets released, 7.0 or so, would that come with a new kernel ? |
| 17:40.36 | somiaj | jhutchins_wk: are you running aptitude anywhere else? Why not just kill them all. |
| 17:40.37 | jhutchins_wk | niteye: it will be 2.6.32+patches |
| 17:40.38 | Garp | My problem is to identify the root disk and some volumes on a debian system: a 'df' returns that '/' is mounted on /dev/mapper/main-slash. If I do pvdisplay I get that /dev/dm-0 is "main", but well I cant understand where is the physical drive that provide several volumes... |
| 17:40.45 | jhutchins_wk | somiaj: -9? |
| 17:40.53 | jhutchins_wk | THat's the only instance. |
| 17:41.27 | jhutchins_wk | somiaj: kill aptitude (top process) not whiptail (bottom process)? |
| 17:41.28 | jhutchins_wk | ] |
| 17:41.35 | nsadmin | niteye, until you define "new", I'll just say yes |
| 17:41.38 | somiaj | jhutchins_wk: yea, I would just kill them, you'll probably have to erase the lockfile too, and hope that it was in a point in the configuration state |
| 17:41.45 | ElDiabolo | niteye, Testing is currently at 3.0.1 |
| 17:42.02 | niteye | new as in higher version number than 2.6.32 |
| 17:42.19 | somiaj | jhutchins_wk: You can see if killing the child would send a bad exit message to aptitude causing it to exit normally, but most likely you'll have to kill the whole process and use screen/tmux in the future. (: |
| 17:42.26 | nsadmin | niteye, are you sure of what you want? |
| 17:42.40 | nsadmin | what has you wanting a newer kernel? |
| 17:42.51 | niteye | the sound through HDMI thing |
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| 17:43.14 | nsadmin | oh, ok, so you have a reason... |
| 17:43.14 | jhutchins_wk | somiaj: Interesting, killing whiptail caused it to relaunch. |
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| 17:43.46 | somiaj | jhutchins_wk: yea aptitude was just waiting for some exit code from the child, though wasn't sure if you could get the process back since the pty it was attached to is gone. |
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| 17:44.13 | HSorgYves | morning, during install a lot of questions are asked... is there a way to "reask" some of them later, i.e. is there a way to find out if a dpkg-reconfigure can have the same effect or how to achieve the same goel? |
| 17:44.25 | dr_traktor | in an ssh session how do i login into another server's ssh session? |
| 17:44.25 | nsadmin | having said that, maybe instead of a whole new kernel you just need newer sound drivers |
| 17:45.00 | niteye | yep could be i dont know |
| 17:45.02 | dr_traktor | i think i need to use ssh |
| 17:45.03 | nkuttler | HSorgYves: depends on the question.. |
| 17:45.05 | jhutchins_wk | Killed dpkg, killed the perl script, dpkg --configure -a, looks clean now. |
| 17:45.20 | Garp | Could someone help me to find my '/' device, please ? Thanks. |
| 17:45.22 | nsadmin | therefore you need to find out |
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| 17:45.39 | nkuttler | Garp: mount |
| 17:45.44 | somiaj | Garp: are you running on the system? |
| 17:45.52 | somiaj | Garp: or on a live system looking though your drives? |
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| 17:46.04 | Garp | here is what I have: /dev/mapper/garp-slash 48057224 28660252 16955756 63% / |
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| 17:46.17 | Garp | I want to know where is /dev/mapper/garp-slash on my disks |
| 17:46.20 | HSorgYves | nkuttler: ok, is there a way to "see" the installation script, probably it contains the relevant info? |
| 17:46.23 | Garp | (which physical disk) |
| 17:46.38 | Garp | Thanks for any help. |
| 17:46.40 | somiaj | HSorgYves: what is it you want to change? |
| 17:47.09 | Garp | somiaj: do you understand my problem ? |
| 17:47.17 | nsadmin | Garp, I do too, which is why I -never- use lvm to span volumes |
| 17:47.30 | HSorgYves | somiaj: multiple things i want to check... i have rented a vServer and want to make sure how it is installed |
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| 17:47.43 | somiaj | Garp: I don't use lvm, look in your lvm setup. If you are using it to span multiple drives that partition may not be located on one single physical disk |
| 17:47.49 | niteye | i use opensource ATI drivers which i think handles the sound too, that i cant really change from otherwise i lose functionality (crappier visuals with generic driver and cant suspend-to-ram with closedsource driver) |
| 17:47.58 | captain_obvious | using ssh how can i automaticall give my password? like 'ssh domain.com -l user -p password' except p means port |
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| 17:48.27 | TheWarden | Hi, I'm trying to install Debian 6.0.4 amd64 net install on a Acer Extensa 5620Z however at installation it asks for iwlwifi-4965-2.ucode. |
| 17:48.41 | niteye | captain_obvious: i think u cant do that for security reasons (password being in commandhistory then) and u have to work with keys |
| 17:48.43 | somiaj | niteye: have you installed the linux-firmware-nonfree for the os radeon driver? |
| 17:48.43 | Garp | pvdisplay says : PV Name /dev/dm-0 PV UUID XXFgss-iWnK-ahot-9UH5-wIHm-0acv-jJkb2r |
| 17:48.56 | Garp | Is that something I can use? |
| 17:48.56 | nkuttler | captain_obvious: what are you trying to do? |
| 17:48.58 | TheWarden | I downloaded the file from http://intellinuxwireless.org/?n=downloads and placed it on the root of a USB flash drive. However the install still doesn't find it. What am I doing wrong? |
| 17:49.14 | Garp | Or shall I understand that t's really messy? |
| 17:49.23 | somiaj | captain_obvious: yea use ssh key authentication, then you just dont' have to authenticate when sshing from your home machine (note someone else gets that key they can pretend to be you) |
| 17:49.27 | captain_obvious | niteye, nkuttler i want to copy backup files from one server to the other. what do i do on the source machine to achieve this? |
| 17:49.37 | captain_obvious | the other server has a user created for this purpose |
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| 17:49.55 | captain_obvious | and i want to create a script that copies some files on source to destination |
| 17:50.04 | somiaj | yea use ssh key authentication. |
| 17:50.17 | nsadmin | Garp, how many disks (and PVs in them) do you have in the VG? |
| 17:50.25 | nkuttler | captain_obvious: yes, keys. also look into rsync |
| 17:50.32 | somiaj | captain_obvious: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/530 |
| 17:50.40 | captain_obvious | thx |
| 17:50.41 | TheWarden | To clarify I placed the iwlwifi-4965-2.ucode into the root of my USB flash drive and clicked continue at the install but ends up returning to the same screen. |
| 17:50.45 | niteye | i like to use rsync for that, in combination with a key then you just do "rsync originaldir user@backupcomputer:destinationdir" and you dont evne have to type a password because of the ssh key |
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| 17:51.38 | Garp | nsadmin: it has been created by debian at install asking for an fully encrypted partitionning if I remember well |
| 17:51.41 | niteye | and rsync only changes files that actually changes instead of recopying the whole content everytime which is fun |
| 17:51.46 | somiaj | TheWarden: what install medium are you using? |
| 17:51.49 | Garp | nsadmin: should only be on one disk |
| 17:52.19 | nsadmin | have you used the lvm tools to determine exactly what your situation is? |
| 17:52.29 | nkuttler | captain_obvious: actually, do you want to make a backup or copy the backup? |
| 17:52.36 | TheWarden | somiaj: I'm installing from a Debian 6.0.4 am64 net install via a CD. The ucode file is on a USB flash drive formatted as FAT. |
| 17:52.38 | Garp | nsadmin: but I'm looking in howtos and trying various commands and cant get it. |
| 17:52.41 | Garp | nsadmin: as much as I understood them |
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| 17:53.22 | somiaj | TheWarden: what I do is just install the base system without internet, and then once that is done and I booted up into the system, add the firmware, bring up the network and continue the install (i.e. start installing additional packages) |
| 17:53.35 | captain_obvious | nkuttler, copy the backup. I use mysqldump and tar to create a tar.gz which I want to copy to a remote machine. |
| 17:53.38 | Garp | nsadmin: I also used "cryptsetup status" requests and to my surprise returned empty |
| 17:53.48 | somiaj | TheWarden: in most cases that is just download the firmware deb from packages.debian.org and intalling it with dpkg -i |
| 17:53.53 | nsadmin | Garp, is there a command that shows all PVs detected in your system? |
| 17:54.26 | nsadmin | I have NO information about crypting disks |
| 17:54.26 | TheWarden | somiaj: Oh, I didn't think I could continue the install without an network connection when using a net install. |
| 17:54.40 | Garp | nsadmin: pvscan is that it ? |
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| 17:54.45 | nkuttler | captain_obvious: you might also want to have a look at backuppc, bacula, rdiff-backup etc |
| 17:54.48 | Garp | nsadmin :# pvscan PV /dev/dm-0 VG garp lvm2 [465.57 GiB / 0 free] Total: 1 [465.57 GiB] / in use: 1 [465.57 GiB] / in no VG: 0 [0 ] |
| 17:54.50 | nsadmin | try it and see |
| 17:54.59 | Garp | (output of pvscan) |
| 17:55.04 | TheWarden | somiaj: one would think it would not be hard to place the file on a removable media at install.... but I guess. just wanted to figure it out and understand it. |
| 17:55.09 | nsadmin | so, you have one pv |
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| 17:55.14 | Garp | but you see it's connected to /dev/dm-0 |
| 17:55.20 | Garp | which is not a physical disk |
| 17:55.27 | somiaj | TheWarden: yes, the name is misleading but most of the stuff on the netinstall CD is the base system (note this is very minimial and doesn't contain much software), but there is enough to have a working system you can then start doing things on. |
| 17:55.38 | Garp | so I'm stuck |
| 17:55.53 | nsadmin | what is it? |
| 17:55.57 | somiaj | TheWarden: Read the install manual, should explain it, but I to have found the adding firmware durning the installation difficult. |
| 17:56.00 | wildc4rd | evenin all |
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| 17:56.21 | Garp | nsadmin /dev/dm-0 ? it's some "internal used stuuf that you shiouyldnt touch" |
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| 17:56.30 | somiaj | TheWarden: that is one thing I hope they clean up in future installers, making the ability to include/add non-free firmware to the installer much easier. |
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| 17:56.57 | nsadmin | well dm is device mapper |
| 17:57.25 | captain_obvious | nkuttler, they seem a little overkill. what's faster? setting up one of these programs, or setting up a simple ssh file transfer with keys? |
| 17:57.40 | TheWarden | somiaj: okay, I'll give that a go then. |
| 17:57.42 | nsadmin | oh, what do you want to do once you have the info of what physical disk you're using |
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| 17:57.47 | somiaj | TheWarden: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch06s04.html.en |
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| 17:58.25 | nkuttler | captain_obvious: the problem with a simple rsync is that when the production data breaks and you just copy it you have worthless backups |
| 17:58.36 | TheWarden | on this system I already have Windows 7 installed on the primary partition. Can I safely install Debian on the secondary partition without harming Windows 7? |
| 17:58.42 | nkuttler | captain_obvious: i use backuppc everywhere |
| 17:58.46 | jonko | to find out that i'll just use via boxes for usage which doesn't where to ask a hardware question what hdd |
| 17:58.56 | TheWarden | somiaj: thanks for the link |
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| 17:59.36 | niteye | yeah that true, rsync doesnt keep periodic snapshots, just makes sure that the destination folder always contains the same as the sourcefolder everytime you run, but still, i love it for home |
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| 18:00.01 | nkuttler | rdiff-backup sounds nice and easy, but i've never used it |
| 18:00.02 | somiaj | TheWarden: you will have to install os-prober to be able to reboot into windows and make sure you answer the 'where to install debian' questions corrctly |
| 18:00.18 | somiaj | TheWarden: i.e. dont tell debian to automitcally format/reparttion your whole disk to install. |
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| 18:00.48 | TheWarden | somiaj: yeah I figured as much. Thanks, I'll go do that now. l8r. |
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| 18:01.16 | nsadmin | Garp, still there? |
| 18:01.19 | DummyMode | hi |
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| 18:01.48 | somiaj | nkuttler: rdiff-backup is really slow, and sometimes just making rsync snapshots can be faster (just use more banwidth) |
| 18:01.52 | captain_obvious | nkuttler, youre right backups can consume lots of space very quickly |
| 18:02.00 | jonko | account to only be able to login through the lan interface |
| 18:02.01 | captain_obvious | i see the benefit from these programs |
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| 18:03.24 | nkuttler | somiaj: interesting. i think i've seen it recommended here several times |
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| 18:03.51 | somiaj | nkuttler: its a good tool, just the it takes a good amount of cpu / time compared to other methods. |
| 18:04.48 | Fratyr | is there a safe way to resize /var partition? |
| 18:05.10 | lstarnes | Fratyr: it depends on what filesystem was used |
| 18:05.10 | somiaj | Fratyr: depends on how you set up the /var parttion, there is no standard for that. |
| 18:05.24 | Fratyr | err |
| 18:05.26 | lstarnes | Fratyr: you'd most likely want to do the resizing from a livecd |
| 18:05.39 | Fratyr | console would be better :/ |
| 18:05.52 | lstarnes | which is what I meant, a livecd with a console |
| 18:05.53 | elise-- | Backup the whole drive and resize then restore |
| 18:05.57 | lstarnes | the installer can be used for this |
| 18:06.06 | Fratyr | ok |
| 18:06.09 | Fratyr | parted is not good? |
| 18:06.12 | somiaj | well livecd console, /var is used by running process and so you could run into some issues if you just unmounted it to resize |
| 18:06.15 | lstarnes | that should work |
| 18:06.22 | lstarnes | do you want to grow it or shrink it? |
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| 18:06.31 | Fratyr | grow it |
| 18:06.44 | |DM| | I am not a device mapper |
| 18:06.45 | Fratyr | I gave it small size when installed debian, it's full now |
| 18:07.03 | lstarnes | then if you do it manually (e.g. with fdisk and tune2fs) make sure that you grow the partition then the filesystem |
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| 18:07.15 | Fratyr | okay |
| 18:07.18 | Fratyr | thanks |
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| 18:08.31 | lstarnes | if you need to shrink anything, shrink the filesystem before the partition |
| 18:09.07 | lstarnes | also some filesystems like xfs and jfs don't support shrinking |
| 18:09.47 | somiaj | Fratyr: have you looked to see what is taking up the space, sometimes /var/cache/apt/archives gets big and can easily be cleaned out. |
| 18:10.03 | Fratyr | it is |
| 18:10.09 | Fratyr | I can just wipe it then? |
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| 18:10.22 | somiaj | Fratyr: do you want to have copy's of the .deb on your local machine that are already installed, or not? |
| 18:10.32 | somiaj | Fratyr: apt-get clean or apt-get autoclean will clean it out for you |
| 18:10.32 | Fratyr | no not really |
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| 18:11.03 | somiaj | clean removes all packages, autoclean removes packages that cannot be downloaded (useful for testing/unstable where versions change a lot and you end up with 5 versions of a single package) |
| 18:11.45 | somiaj | yea if you don't want a local backup of the packages and are fine downloading them again, just 'clean' them up, I like them on sid to fix bugs during upgrades by having them avialible to downgrade to. |
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| 18:14.07 | nsadmin | clean affects /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 18:14.19 | nsadmin | autoclean affects what you have installed |
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| 18:14.58 | themill | umm... no. both only affect /var/cache/apt/archives |
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| 18:15.32 | viller | where is the file that starts LXDE located? |
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| 18:16.14 | somiaj | yea one just removes everything, one removes everything that cannot be currently downloaded from your sources |
| 18:16.16 | Fratyr | oh well, it's actually /var/cache/man |
| 18:16.27 | Fratyr | can I clean it too? |
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| 18:28.42 | Mephisto | question. |
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| 18:29.04 | Mephisto | is there any way i can mount mdf/mds, cue/bin images and some other on Debian? |
| 18:29.19 | Mephisto | Squeeze specifically. |
| 18:29.36 | Mephisto | for Sid and Testing there's CDEmu that might pretty much do the job. |
| 18:29.38 | Mephisto | but here..? |
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| 18:29.51 | manganese | Mephisto: try furiusisomount |
| 18:29.54 | abrotman | Mephisto: did you try search with apt-cache ? |
| 18:29.55 | Mephisto | i have it. |
| 18:30.00 | Mephisto | it doesn't work with those. |
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| 18:30.01 | Mephisto | only ISO |
| 18:30.05 | dondelelcaro | Mephisto: mdf2iso or similar will to it, and then you can mount via a loppback |
| 18:30.08 | abrotman | Mephisto: you don't seem very inclined to do any work on your own .. |
| 18:30.10 | dondelelcaro | s/opp/oop/ |
| 18:30.10 | Mephisto | same goes for AcetoneISO |
| 18:30.53 | nand` | Does anybody here use mplayer or mplayer2? |
| 18:30.58 | dondelelcaro | Mephisto: and so will iat; just convert the image to an iso, and you're done. |
| 18:31.07 | dondelelcaro | nand`: just ask your real question. |
| 18:31.22 | somiaj | nand`: not a really useful question, of course people use software (though haven't heard of this mplayer2) |
| 18:31.33 | Mephisto | dondelelcaro, the thing is.... these images are game images, and they contain multimedia stuff... sometimes converting to ISO make you lose those things.. are you sure it's the right way? |
| 18:31.46 | nand` | dondelelcaro: -vo x11 has lots of frame tearing and -vo xv doesn't work (xvinfo reports no supported adapters) |
| 18:31.54 | Mephisto | abrotman, i know what i'm doing. |
| 18:32.07 | nand` | #mplayer refuses to help since it's mplayer2 and #mplayer2 refuses to help because they claim debian stable is “outdated” and I should switch to fedora (yeah right) |
| 18:32.20 | dondelelcaro | Mephisto: so try it, try to mount them, and see. If it doesn't work, try something else. |
| 18:32.29 | Mephisto | dondelelcaro, ok. thanks |
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| 18:33.18 | somiaj | dondelelcaro: what video card/driver are you using, I find with mplayer (I haven't even heard of mplayer2) that the xv is the nicest playback mode provided your graphics card is set up correct. |
| 18:33.22 | somiaj | nand`: ^^ |
| 18:33.28 | somiaj | dondelelcaro: sorry...eyes drifted to wrong nick |
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| 18:33.52 | nand` | somiaj: ATI Radeon HD4890 (I bought the card when I was still using Windows, enemy of my freedom and all that. I hate it but can't really upgrade) |
| 18:34.05 | nand` | I'm using the free and open source radeon drivers because the fglrx drivers do not respect my rights |
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| 18:34.26 | gColossus | hi, i am looking into server install/configuration and set up and Ive been trying to install SSL cert and been messing it up |
| 18:34.34 | somiaj | have you installed the firmware-linux-nonfree package to get the actuall os acceleration support? |
| 18:34.48 | gColossus | so is there any backup tool available that I can backup my entire server and then restore it if needed? |
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| 18:34.57 | gColossus | any recommendation? |
| 18:34.59 | nand` | somiaj: I haven't, sounds ugly though |
| 18:35.06 | nand` | how non-free are we talking about |
| 18:35.30 | somiaj | nand`: you won't get accelerated support without it |
| 18:35.32 | abrotman | far from obvious ... |
| 18:35.59 | abrotman | nand`: blob .. not fglrx, but a blob |
| 18:36.04 | nand` | somiaj: ah |
| 18:36.05 | HSorgYves | where can i see the installer script used during installation? is it in some package or ...? |
| 18:36.07 | somiaj | nand`: basically it is a binary blob that the radeon driver uses. Most distros would ship it jsut fine but debian has removed this binary blobs from the main line kernel and put them in our non-free repos. |
| 18:36.17 | nand` | I shall consider it a necessary evil until I can upgrade to a more free card then |
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| 18:36.29 | abrotman | nand`: but still .. yes .. 'evil' depending on your position |
| 18:36.39 | kevlarman | nand`: good luck with that |
| 18:36.39 | zykotick9 | In KDE, I'd like to turn off its autostarting of what was previously running (it's now up to quite a few terminals). Anyone know what keyword I can use to search online with? |
| 18:36.40 | abrotman | HSorgYves: which part of it? |
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| 18:36.47 | kevlarman | you'll have the same problem with amd and intel |
| 18:37.06 | nand` | “evil” also depends on the licensing though. A binary blob alone, as long as I'm free to use it in any way I want, is not as evil as something riddled with horrible EULAs |
| 18:37.28 | nand` | kevlarman: ouch. I thought nVidia was better for this? |
| 18:37.31 | HSorgYves | abrotman: mainly the beginning, language, location, locales, keyboard, ... |
| 18:37.34 | abrotman | nand`: i believe that particular blob used to be distrubted with the kernel ? |
| 18:37.44 | abrotman | HSorgYves: ask #debian-boot on irc.oftc.net |
| 18:38.14 | HSorgYves | abrotman: great, many thanks |
| 18:38.23 | nand` | somiaj: I assume I will need to reboot to take advantage of this? Or is there some magic that can reload the kernel while it's running? (I know Kpatch does something like this) |
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| 18:38.39 | somiaj | nand`: you'll have to reload all the radeon drivers / restart X -- rebooting is a simple way to do this |
| 18:39.01 | somiaj | nand`: and since radeon is also a frame buffer adds a complication in just removing / reloading the module |
| 18:39.11 | nand` | if I have to restart X that's basically rebooting for me |
| 18:39.14 | nand` | I'll just do that |
| 18:39.17 | nand` | thanks |
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| 18:43.43 | mah454 | How can disable beep sound in debian ? |
| 18:43.58 | mah454 | pcspkr module is disable ! but i have sound ! |
| 18:44.19 | HSorgYves | abrotman: or maybe you know how to reconfigure those parts? |
| 18:44.36 | somiaj | what is beeping mah454, you can disable console beeps by putting something in ~/.inputrc |
| 18:45.07 | somiaj | mah454: I have 'set bell-style none' in my .inputrc -- this keeps my shell from beepeing all the damn time. I like some beeps but bash is noisy |
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| 18:45.57 | mah454 | somiaj, can disable this for whole system ? (all users) |
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| 18:47.16 | somiaj | mah454: not sure if there is a system wide inputrc or not, check /etc -- you could also just put that file by default in all user accounts and a copy in /etc/skel for new users |
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| 18:47.39 | somiaj | mah454: though might want to check out what is causing the beeps, really most cases putting pcspkr in a module blacklist should be enough. |
| 18:47.54 | mah454 | ok |
| 18:47.57 | mah454 | thank you :) |
| 18:48.06 | abrotman | HSorgYves: which parts? |
| 18:48.12 | abrotman | HSorgYves: what are you actually rtying to do? |
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| 18:49.40 | HSorgYves | abrotman: trying to check out a vServer as mentioned before, i.e. I want to make sure it corresponds to what i am used to do using the installer... |
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| 18:51.24 | abrotman | HSorgYves: you mean the setup ? |
| 18:51.35 | abrotman | which parts of the installation would you like to change? language/ timezone? |
| 18:51.57 | HSorgYves | abrotman: yes i want to know for example which influence the selection of language and/or location has on the system... i found out how to change the locale |
| 18:52.11 | abrotman | HSorgYves: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 18:52.16 | abrotman | !tell HSorgYves about set the time |
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| 18:53.03 | HSorgYves | i found out about locales already, thx... so language/location is mainly time? |
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| 19:01.44 | HSorgYves | How to change language and location? |
| 19:03.54 | Debasher | http://debasher.ru/ |
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| 19:05.08 | jelly-home | Debasher: no. |
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| 19:05.59 | Debasher | jelly-home, m? |
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| 19:06.42 | jelly-home | Debasher: this is a tech support channel. Please don't spam any links unrelated to tech support questions. |
| 19:06.49 | Owner | can you tell NFS to export /blah/ if /blah/ is a symlink to /mnt/blah ? |
| 19:07.06 | jelly-home | Owner: nope |
| 19:07.23 | Owner | jelly-home| lol ok thanks |
| 19:07.25 | Debasher | jelly-home andestend |
| 19:07.30 | jonko | lol : Owner what is easy to give you |
| 19:07.32 | jelly-home | Owner: if you really need to export /blah, make it a bind mount instead of a symlink |
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| 19:10.06 | Aferreiramelo | Hey |
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| 19:11.03 | Aferreiramelo | Someone uses Cinnamon Desktop here |
| 19:11.16 | jonko | but someone who had only used ubuntu isos may not realize that : ) |
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| 19:13.00 | Aferreiramelo | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:15.27 | nsadmin | !anyone use cinamon thingy |
| 19:15.27 | dpkg | No, no one uses cinamon thingy, not even the people who use it. |
| 19:16.01 | nsadmin | Aferreiramelo, what debian package is it in? |
| 19:16.32 | Aferreiramelo | nsadmin, yes have *.deb |
| 19:16.40 | Aferreiramelo | add apt-repo! |
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| 19:16.54 | jonko | i add this alias |
| 19:17.06 | nsadmin | package name? |
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| 19:17.53 | Aferreiramelo | Wait! |
| 19:18.26 | nsadmin | can't do that for long... I have coffee to drink and turtles to walk... |
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| 19:19.24 | somiaj | Aferreiramelo: where did you get this deb? |
| 19:19.31 | Aferreiramelo | Ready! |
| 19:19.33 | Aferreiramelo | https://launchpad.net/~merlwiz79/+archive/cinnamon-ppa |
| 19:19.38 | Aferreiramelo | Look this Link... |
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| 19:19.55 | nsadmin | oh, is that for debian or ubuntu? |
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| 19:20.34 | somiaj | yea if the .deb was not made for squeeze (or your version of debian) do not try to install it |
| 19:20.38 | Aferreiramelo | Run in Debian too |
| 19:21.08 | Aferreiramelo | in Ubuntu... Oneric |
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| 19:32.01 | carli2 | hi |
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| 19:32.22 | carli2 | are there armel-omap3 roof file systems for debian? |
| 19:32.36 | carli2 | or is there a simple command to create one (a la debootstrap) |
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| 19:33.50 | abrotman | could have sworn it was the last iptables rule that was the match |
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| 19:35.49 | abrotman | bah, guess it's the first |
| 19:36.06 | nsadmin | the first ever?! |
| 19:36.21 | multi_io | are there any specific problems 2b expected when running linux on a dual-monitor setup with non-identical monitor resolutions? |
| 19:37.00 | multi_io | I've been running dual-monitor setups with 2 identical monitors for a long time without problems |
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| 19:37.34 | multi_io | graphics adapter would be a GTS 250 with the proprietary nvidia driver. |
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| 19:38.15 | zykotick9 | multi_io: expect a dead area, difference between the two resolutions (perhaps, there's a solution to that, but never seen it) |
| 19:38.22 | torrancew | Anyone have experience preseeding debian squeeze on HP Proliant blades? |
| 19:38.40 | torrancew | We're hitting issues around detecting the onboard RAID devices (cciss) |
| 19:39.05 | multi_io | zykotick9: you mean the higher-resolution monitor would be forced to display the lower resolution? |
| 19:39.32 | zykotick9 | multi_io: no, but there will be a space where your mouse disappears on the smaller resolution |
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| 19:44.42 | Guest55866 | I'm using debuild to build something from hg with an included debian directory and all the control and changelog etc files. debuild says the package 'has a debian revision number' (when looking for the source tarballs, which exist, but of a more recent version number than its looking for) - where is debuild finding this revision number, in changelog? I cant find it anywhere else. do I need to use the tool to update the changelog and bump the version |
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| 19:46.02 | sammy | sorry, I'm still new to package building. I try to build them when the devs provide a debian directory with their source code, rather than using something like checkinstall |
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| 19:47.56 | sammy | there was an included script to build the source tarballs and put them in the parent directory, and it gave them the most current version number, one higher than what I see in the debian/changelog -Im assuming because a pacakge for this version hasn't been distributed yet. |
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| 19:50.04 | HSorgYves | How to change language, location and/or keyboard layout from command line? |
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| 19:55.00 | reinal | i have virtualmin but is useless |
| 19:55.22 | karlpinc | HSorgYves: "man locale" for language. You may be able to "dpkg-reconfigure libc6". |
| 19:55.42 | karlpinc | reinal: "man interfaces" |
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| 19:57.46 | karlpinc | HSorgYves: There's bound to be something in the debian reference at debian.org. (And you need to install the package that goes with your language for the character set.) |
| 19:58.03 | HSorgYves | karlpinc: locale=language? you sure? |
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| 19:59.02 | HSorgYves | karlpinc: what should dpkg-reconfigure libc6 display? getting nothing... |
| 19:59.08 | karlpinc | HSorgYves: locale is character set, which goes with language. If you change it dynamically it'll go back after logout. |
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| 19:59.46 | karlpinc | HSorgYves: Let me look for a factoid. |
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| 20:00.24 | HSorgYves | karlpinc: yes, but doesn't language define more than the character set (and time, currency, ...)? hasn't language something to do with LANG environment variable? |
| 20:00.48 | karlpinc | !locales |
| 20:00.48 | dpkg | Use 'dpkg-reconfigure locales' to get it up and running. This generates <locale> definitions and also edits /etc/default/locale which sets the $LANG environment variable at login time. Use "LANG=C command" to change the output language for a one off command, ask me about <localised errors>. See also <mac locales>. http://wiki.debian.org/Locale |
| 20:01.54 | HSorgYves | ok, so locales sets LANG as well... great! zjx |
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| 20:02.08 | HSorgYves | -zjx+thx |
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| 20:03.21 | becks` | hi, is it possible to tail -f a tty session? and is it possible to take over a tty session? |
| 20:03.33 | karlpinc | HSorgYves: You definately want to look at the debian reference if you're still having trouble. (And I don't know what will take effect immediately and what at login.) |
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| 20:04.27 | HSorgYves | karlpinc: yes i am looking and also requestioning dpkg... can reboot the machine, no trouble |
| 20:04.27 | HSorgYves | karlpinc: do you know what location has to do in all this? during setup there is a question about language and location... |
| 20:04.28 | karlpinc | becks`: You probably want something like <screen> for "taking over". And you should be able to tail the device. |
| 20:04.38 | karlpinc | HSorgYves: Shouldn't need reboot. |
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| 20:05.03 | becks` | karlpinc: I know screen, but I wonder what's possible without screen :) |
| 20:05.25 | karlpinc | HSorgYves: The location question sets your time zone. /etc/defaults/rcS |
| 20:05.48 | karlpinc | HSorgYves: You may also (possibly) find more info in the readme.debian. |
| 20:05.54 | karlpinc | !tell HSorgYves about readme.debian |
| 20:06.14 | karlpinc | HSorgYves: /etc/default/rcS (sorry) |
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| 20:07.17 | karlpinc | becks`: With the right permission you can read/write, which does not "take over" because whomever it is attached to still has it. Otherwise, yes, it's obviously possible because screen can do it. |
| 20:07.31 | becks` | okay, thanks :) |
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| 20:08.25 | karlpinc | becks`: You'd need to rtfm. Probably something to do with process group leader and session leader, but that's a guess. |
| 20:08.39 | becks` | ok, i'll google that |
| 20:09.39 | HSorgYves | karlpinc: what is in rcS? i know UTC is in there,... |
| 20:09.47 | karlpinc | HSorgYves: Whoops, yes. utc. /etc/timezone. |
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| 20:10.24 | karlpinc | HSorgYves: I think /etc/timezone is posix. It must have a man page too.... |
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| 20:10.29 | HSorgYves | karlpinc: yes sure, but i found that out already... is that what is taken from the location specified at setup? |
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| 20:10.54 | HSorgYves | karlpinc: yes, i did dpkg-reconfigure tzdata for that |
| 20:10.57 | karlpinc | HSorgYves: Yes, as far as I know that's all it does. |
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| 20:12.28 | karlpinc | HSorgYves: You could read the source for the installer, it's packaged. Or bother the people at irc.debian.org #debian-boot, who write the installer. But they may not want to answer questions unrelated to development. |
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| 20:13.04 | karlpinc | HSorgYves: The installer probably runs something that's packaged. You could <search> for it. |
| 20:15.32 | HSorgYves | karlpinc: trying, but noone answers there ;-) also tryed to start with the source of debian-installer, but its not easy to find what you are looking for |
| 20:15.39 | allure | I need a hand with iptables and squid. I have them on different boxes and I am forwarding port 80 on the gateway for 3128 on que squid box. It works, but I can only see the gateway's IP on the log files. Relevant rules: http://pastebin.com/PhJFej6p Could anyone give me a hand? |
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| 20:16.07 | karlpinc | HSorgYves: What are you trying to do? It seems more than just set the timezone/keyboard/language on your box. |
| 20:16.48 | GitNick | other than compiling a kernel from scratch, is there a way to install previously released debian kernels? |
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| 20:17.56 | karlpinc | !tell GitNick about snapshot |
| 20:18.01 | HSorgYves | karlpinc: no its mainly that; trying to understand the relation between the setup (installer) and the reconfiguration of an existing box |
| 20:18.53 | GitNick | karlpinc: thanks |
| 20:19.29 | karlpinc | HSorgYves: I'm pretty sure about locales (charset), rcS (utc), timezone (timezone), but we've not talked about keyboard and I don't really have a clue other than I'd guess dpkg-reconfigure locales. |
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| 20:22.25 | karlpinc | HSorgYves: I'd guess the keyboard might be something the kernel knows about, for console. Maybe. So there might be something in linux-docs package. Or not. Then you'd pass the kernel an arg at boot. (But that sounds wrong because you should be able to change it dynamically from userspace later.) Find anything about keyboards? (Read the reference manual yet?) |
| 20:22.52 | displaced | i have an issue with a sandy bridge motherboard. is any one using this? |
| 20:23.01 | HSorgYves | karlpinc: dpkg-reconfigure console-data or dpkg-reconfigure console-setup is what i found, however neither package is installed on that box while one is in my test VM |
| 20:23.26 | bs0d | Hello guys. |
| 20:23.36 | bs0d | How to upgrade squeeze to wheezy? |
| 20:23.49 | bs0d | I changed my sources.list and got a broken upgrade |
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| 20:24.05 | karlpinc | HSorgYves: There's also install-keymap. |
| 20:24.25 | karlpinc | !tell displaced about anyone |
| 20:24.34 | bs0d | is my sources.list correct? http://www.everfall.com/paste/id.php?cr5389t4a7xu |
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| 20:24.48 | lynks | anyone able to answer a quick iptables question? |
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| 20:25.38 | karlpinc | bs0d: You might be able to get help in #debian-next on irc.debian.org. You may have done it right. Testing breaks. (See the <moving target> factoid.) |
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| 20:25.57 | allure | I need a hand with iptables and squid. I have them on different boxes and I am forwarding port 80 on the gateway for 3128 on que squid box. It works, but I can only see the gateway's IP on the log files. Relevant rules: http://pastebin.com/PhJFej6p Could anyone give me a hand? |
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| 20:26.39 | karlpinc | allure: If you're NATting, you've changed the IP and will no longer see the original source IP. |
| 20:27.01 | karlpinc | !tell lynks about anyone |
| 20:27.10 | allure | karlpinc: yes, DNAT will do that. But is there another way so I can preserve the packet's header? |
| 20:27.56 | displaced | I have just bought an asus x53s laptop, it comes with an intel i7 and sandybridge motherboard. This motherboard has a built in intel video card. i've got an add-on nvidia geforce 540 on board. the system recognizes both cards but will only use the onboard video card, not the nvidia. There is no way to turn off the onboard card in bios, how to use the nvidia in debian? |
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| 20:28.27 | bs0d | karlpinc: thank you |
| 20:28.33 | karlpinc | allure: Don't DNAT. Otherwise, there may somehow be a way to log on the iptables side and feed it to squid, but that sounds like a very specific squid question. |
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| 20:29.06 | lynks | how does ip_forward fit in against a prerouting iptables rule? i have inbound traffic destined for a different ip address, and i want to intercept only one certain port, i want the rest to be kernel-forwarded. will a prerouting rule overwrite the ip-forward? |
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| 20:29.44 | karlpinc | displaced: So, you'd ask the judd bot what kernel module you need. Most likely. See also the <nvidia> factoid. |
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| 20:30.46 | allure | lynks: it depends on which table you act. there is no prerouting in the filter table. Only forward, input and output |
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| 20:31.16 | allure | lynks: PREROUTING and POSTROUTING are only at the nat and mangle tables. |
| 20:31.33 | displaced | karlpic ok, i've reloaded this machine 7-8 times using various things to disable that card. every time i load the nvidia drivers either from apt or from the nvidia site. i get a blinking cursor and no desktop at all. |
| 20:31.49 | karlpinc | allure: You could do something crazy, where both the router and the squid box are on the same switch and have the same IP but the squid box does not arp and the router somehow bounces the packets to the squid box using the mac address. But that sounds nuts. |
| 20:31.58 | lynks | i am using the nat table, trying to change the destination ip address to my own, and alter the destination port for traffic only on a certain port |
| 20:32.28 | karlpinc | displaced: If nobody answers right away try again later. |
| 20:32.31 | allure | karlpinc: I was thinking about marking the packets using iptables and routing them using ip route... sounds easier |
| 20:32.47 | somiaj | lynks: make sure you enable ip_forward (it is located somewhere in /proc) |
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| 20:32.59 | allure | lynks: yes, that can be done |
| 20:33.48 | lynks | somiaj: thanks. will iptables act before ip_forward? in other words, will my intercepted traffic be ip_forwarded or not? |
| 20:34.03 | lapsusbrutus | allure: or in /etc/sysctl.conf |
| 20:34.23 | karlpinc | allure: Sounds plausable. (FYI. I prefer ferm to working directly with iptables. YMMV.) |
| 20:34.25 | allure | lapsusbrutus: what about it? |
| 20:34.28 | somiaj | lynks: just one common issue people have after setting up a correct iptables set of rules is many kernels disable ip_forward of any type, so there is a 0,1 flag you can use to turn it on |
| 20:34.48 | allure | karlpinc: me too, but it would add so much pain on the implementation part =) |
| 20:34.50 | karlpinc | lynks: /etc/sysctl.conf |
| 20:34.59 | lapsusbrutus | allure: to wrong person maybe,.. setting ip_forward |
| 20:34.59 | lynks | karlpinc: thanks |
| 20:35.06 | allure | lapsusbrutus: oh ok :) |
| 20:35.23 | karlpinc | allure: ferm would? |
| 20:35.33 | somiaj | lyte: its /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
| 20:35.42 | iToast | Psi-Jack, |
| 20:35.44 | somiaj | lynks ^^ he left |
| 20:35.56 | allure | karlpinc: oh, I've read I prefer working directly with iptables... somehow I missed "ferm" :) |
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| 20:36.00 | iToast | pseubodot, How hard is it to setup a kvm server |
| 20:36.01 | lapsusbrutus | lyte: or uncomment #net.ipv4.ip_forward=1 in sysctl.conf in etc. |
| 20:36.20 | somiaj | ahh didn't know that was there, that should be a good thing to rember |
| 20:37.06 | allure | lyte: that will enable forwarding, but if you only want one port, you will still need iptables |
| 20:37.18 | allure | lyte: ops, wrong user, sorry |
| 20:37.39 | allure | it was to lynks, but he's gone |
| 20:37.39 | karlpinc | allure: Well, yes. Not having publicly routable IP numbers is painful. |
| 20:38.18 | allure | karlpinc: it is, but it happens all the time ... we just got to deal with it =) |
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| 20:39.13 | mwallacesd2 | Hi everybudy I have an incidente with my keyboard configuration http://paste.debian.net/154714/ can you help me please. |
| 20:39.14 | karlpinc | allure: I keep thinking to just put myself on ipv6 and have somebody gateway. That'll push the problem to the ISP. :) |
| 20:39.25 | lapsusbrutus | iToast: its pretty easy.. you need a cpu supporting vmx or svm .. run: egrep '^flags.*(vmx|svm)' /proc/cpuinfo |
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| 20:39.57 | allure | karlpinc: it might generate more problems :( |
| 20:40.05 | lapsusbrutus | iToast: then enable it in bios && take a full stop and start (restart not enough) |
| 20:40.15 | karlpinc | allure: The big problem is the size of the routing tables. |
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| 20:40.54 | karlpinc | lapsusbrutus: Really, using kvm requires a cold boot? |
| 20:40.58 | allure | karlpinc: hell yeah =D |
| 20:41.02 | lapsusbrutus | iToast: install kvm and check that the kvm-intel or kvm-amd is running |
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| 20:41.44 | lapsusbrutus | karlpinc: depends. if changing heavy cpu settings in bios, a full shutdown might be needed to changes to have effect |
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| 20:42.12 | karlpinc | lapsusbrutus: (And why would the bios have anything to say about it anyway? Just to make bios suck more? :-) |
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| 20:43.55 | lapsusbrutus | karlpinc: on many desktop systems the vmx/svn is disabled, and must be enabled by user I think :) |
| 20:44.00 | lapsusbrutus | in bios |
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| 20:46.49 | kevlarman | karlpinc: having it on by default caused problems for some people, so now it's off by default on all desktop motherboards |
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| 20:47.25 | lapsusbrutus | iToast: you can use virt-manager to control computers with gui instead of scripts and insane commands and scripts :) virt-manager can also connect to your server from other machine, not having to instal anything but a bare bone system. |
| 20:47.38 | lapsusbrutus | on server |
| 20:47.56 | JasonWoof | I'm writing a script that sometimes needs to be used to modify a (fixed length) stream (like sed does) but it needs to read the input twice. Is there a standard wrapper to make this easier? or do I need to make the tmp file myself? |
| 20:48.00 | lapsusbrutus | a little like vmware.. but much nicer in my opinion |
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| 20:54.55 | jhutchins_wk | lapsusbrutus: Give me scripts and insane commands and scripts over a GUI any day. |
| 20:55.06 | mwallacesd2 | Hi everybudy, the command dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration isn't take any effect! I tried edit /etc/defaut/keyboard but it is not working too!!! I need you help please http://paste.debian.net/154714/ |
| 20:55.09 | iToast | lapsusbrutus, |
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| 20:55.30 | iToast | Can't i run something like virtualbox for linux headless and use the rcm to controll it ;D |
| 20:55.38 | jhutchins_wk | mwallacesd2: What are you trying to accomplish? |
| 20:55.45 | coldiso | can anyone tell me where i can find the broadcom extractor tool for firmware? |
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| 20:56.05 | coldiso | i'm running kern 3.2 and need the blob installed to get my crappy chipset to function |
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| 20:56.24 | coldiso | it doesn't seem to be available when i look for fwcutter |
| 20:57.27 | mwallacesd2 | jhutchins_wk, My keyboard is us layout but the system is in portuguese I need to user intl devorak keys =) |
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| 20:57.34 | mwallacesd2 | Can you help me please |
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| 20:57.45 | iToast | Quick offtopic question.. |
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| 20:58.09 | iToast | Is that troll from yesterday saying all the files managers and window managers suck and the devs suck and they shouldent release garbage still here? or was he banned? |
| 20:58.43 | jhutchins_wk | mwallacesd2: Well, I'm not sure where you got that procedure, I would expect the settings you have to give you a default US keyboard layout. |
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| 20:59.00 | iToast | fasta, your not banned?! |
| 20:59.15 | jhutchins_wk | iToast: Please don't bring stuff like that back up. |
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| 20:59.23 | kevlarman | iToast: without knowing any context, i'm guessing you can find him in #archlinux :P |
| 20:59.24 | z28 | coldiso: would you be looking for b43-fwcutter? it's in contrib |
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| 20:59.30 | iToast | Hes still here :/ |
| 20:59.43 | iToast | Anyways, ughm.. how would i secure my debian server |
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| 21:01.11 | coldiso | z28: yeap - its in contrib |
| 21:01.15 | coldiso | ok? |
| 21:01.40 | z28 | coldiso: yes, works on broadcom chipsets |
| 21:01.43 | coldiso | i don't seem to have that on my system (locate doesn't find it) |
| 21:02.04 | z28 | coldiso: aptitude show b43-fwcutter |
| 21:02.59 | coldiso | z28: E: Unable to locate package b43-fwcutter |
| 21:03.10 | coldiso | apt-cache search has been returning that as well |
| 21:03.17 | coldiso | do i need to add anything to sources ? |
| 21:03.41 | z28 | coldiso: your /etc/apt/sources.list must be incomplete |
| 21:03.47 | Mephisto | i have an annoying issue |
| 21:04.04 | mwallacesd2 | It is exactly what I am trying to do, first run the command dpkg-reconfigure keybord-configuration selecting us and intl, then I tried editing /etc/defaut/keyboard including the same options us and intl, IT WAS WORKED the first time that I reboot the system, it was yesterday but today it is not working anymore jhutchins_wk |
| 21:04.13 | coldiso | z28: i'm referencing backports |
| 21:04.20 | z28 | coldiso: deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main contrib non-free |
| 21:04.22 | coldiso | to get 3.2 and xorg |
| 21:04.36 | Mephisto | when i sometimes go fullscreen in wine my desktop panel icons get shifted to the right regardless of being pinned down to it or not.and i always have to move them back to the left |
| 21:04.52 | z28 | coldiso: contrib is probably absent, add it, update |
| 21:06.21 | kevlarman | Mephisto: make your fullscreen programs use your native resolution |
| 21:06.32 | Mephisto | erm... |
| 21:06.35 | mwallacesd2 | If is there another way to configure the keyboard layout please let me know jhutchins_wk or anyone else =) |
| 21:06.41 | Mephisto | i think they autodetect it or something... |
| 21:07.04 | Mephisto | that's the prob. |
| 21:07.19 | Mephisto | they look fine, it's just that when i get back it's shifted.. not all of them do that though. |
| 21:07.24 | Mephisto | and thank goodness. |
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| 21:10.19 | karlpinc | mwallacesd2: kbd-config ? I've really no clue. |
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| 21:11.24 | mwallacesd2 | I am ivestigating it karlpinc, thanks a lot! |
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| 21:15.58 | jhutchins_wk | mwallacesd2: I know there has to be a way - but I'm a dumb American who doesn't really speak much of any other language, and I don't use Dvorak. |
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| 21:16.33 | jhutchins_wk | mwallacesd2: Still, it would seem like there would be ample support for Portuguese keyboards and Dvorak, and you should be able to find something on the web about configuring the keyboard. |
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| 21:19.17 | jhutchins_wk | mwallacesd2: http://wiki.debian.org/Keyboard |
| 21:19.33 | jhutchins_wk | mwallacesd2: http://www.malcolmhardie.com/weblogs/angus/2006/05/02/change-console-keyboard-layout-in-debian/ |
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| 21:21.08 | mwallacesd2 | don't worry dude, I am reading some articles in the internet too, and please don't think that I was attack you, and thank you for both links! |
| 21:21.17 | mwallacesd2 | jhutchins_wk, =) |
| 21:22.30 | ggoes | I can't seem to connect to the Internet (with wicd) in Sid, but it works fine on the two live CDs I've tried. It may be a DNS problem. Any suggestions? |
| 21:22.31 | lapsusbrutus | virtualbox uses full hw virtualizing right? Dont like oracle eihter:) kvm <3 fast, easy and reliable. |
| 21:22.43 | lapsusbrutus | iToast: |
| 21:22.49 | iToast | yes |
| 21:24.13 | jhutchins_wk | ggoes: Find out if it's a dns problem. |
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| 21:24.30 | jhutchins_wk | ggoes: Why are you trying to run sid? |
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| 21:25.30 | karlpinc | mwallacesd2: I had a conversation about internationalizaton this morning. Does "dpkg-reconfigure locales" have anything to do with keyboard layout? |
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| 21:25.43 | GTRsdk | How do I get XServer started? |
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| 21:26.45 | lapsusbrutus | GTRsdk: as in "startx"? |
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| 21:27.26 | jhutchins_wk | lapsusbrutus: Deprecated. |
| 21:27.33 | kollapse | Hi. Why are there 52 CD images here - http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.4/amd64/iso-cd/ ? |
| 21:27.50 | jhutchins_wk | GTRsdk: It's usually started by a "display manager" (actually more of a login manager). |
| 21:27.57 | dondelelcaro | kollapse: because it takes 52 cds to contain the entire archive |
| 21:27.58 | karlpinc | GTRsdk: Most people install the xserver-xorg and gdm3 and let it go at that. |
| 21:28.02 | jhutchins_wk | GTRsdk: What have you done so far? WHat kind of video hardware? |
| 21:28.20 | kollapse | dondelelcaro: What if I just want one simple CD ? |
| 21:28.27 | jhutchins_wk | kollapse: Because Debian has some 30,000 packages and supports more architecture than any other distribution. |
| 21:28.31 | dondelelcaro | kollapse: if you have a network connection, get the netinst cd. |
| 21:28.33 | karlpinc | kollapse: What are you trying to do? If you want to install use the netinstall image. |
| 21:28.34 | lapsusbrutus | jhutchins_wk: ok Deprecated... crap. I liked startx |
| 21:28.43 | dondelelcaro | kollapse: the install guide explains this pretty clearly |
| 21:28.55 | karlpinc | jhutchins_wk: What replaces startx? |
| 21:29.00 | jhutchins_wk | lapsusbrutus: It's assumed that people don't log in to a console then start X any more. |
| 21:29.14 | jhutchins_wk | karlpinc: dm's. It's still available, it's just not the norm. |
| 21:29.16 | GTRsdk | jhutchins_wk: It is an Atom N450 netbook with integrated graphics |
| 21:29.22 | ksuhku | try #1 |
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| 21:29.26 | jhutchins_wk | Most DE's come with something like "startkde". |
| 21:29.30 | mwallacesd2 | Yes karlpinc, I'm changin the system langue to US in this moment, and will try to run keyboard configuration in order to test it, it is extremly strange... I dont know why it is not takin any affect... |
| 21:29.34 | GTRsdk | karlpinc: I don't exactly want more running than what needs to run |
| 21:29.35 | karlpinc | jhutchins_wk: So long as it's there when I need it. :) |
| 21:29.53 | jhutchins_wk | You can always just run X. |
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| 21:30.28 | mwallacesd2 | My computer keyboard layout is US, I am fisicacly in Mexico and my sistem is in portuguese from Brasil... It is not a normal situation hahaha |
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| 21:30.54 | mwallacesd2 | But it is Linux! I know that I will fix it! |
| 21:30.58 | lapsusbrutus | setsetxkbmap es? |
| 21:31.06 | karlpinc | mwallacesd2: Have you looked at the debian reference manual? This is exactly the kind of thing it should address. |
| 21:31.10 | jhutchins_wk | GTRsdk: I don't know what the integrated graphics for an atom are, I would guess at intell which I think pmostly works out-of-the-box these days. |
| 21:31.15 | jhutchins_wk | GTRsdk: Did you install Xorg? |
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| 21:31.30 | jhutchins_wk | mwallacesd2: http://www.malcolmhardie.com/weblogs/angus/2006/05/02/change-console-keyboard-layout-in-debian/ |
| 21:31.45 | Max_213 | Hello, any advices or experience on new laptops compatible with debian out of the box ? |
| 21:31.51 | jhutchins_wk | mwallacesd2: Ah, yes, you again. No, no problem, just trying to help. |
| 21:32.02 | jhutchins_wk | time for me to go though. |
| 21:32.02 | mwallacesd2 | =) |
| 21:32.18 | mwallacesd2 | Thanks |
| 21:32.35 | karlpinc | Max_213: The easyest is to get it pre-installed. Otherwise I hear people like thinkpads, but really don't know. |
| 21:32.37 | GTRsdk | jhutchins_wk: Yeah. It is an Intel Atom. And how would I install Xorg? |
| 21:32.49 | GTRsdk | I already installed xdm and xserver-xorg |
| 21:32.55 | GTRsdk | but startx does not run |
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| 21:33.16 | lapsusbrutus | hmm jhutchins_wk that link was interesting, will it do all the exotic kbmaps that setxkbmap does? like -layout no -variant dvorak? that would be pure awesomeness |
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| 21:33.37 | ksuhku | Max_213, check h-node.com |
| 21:33.38 | lapsusbrutus | hate having to use querty while on console |
| 21:33.55 | karlpinc | GTRsdk: You'll probably want to know about vts when messing with starting X. |
| 21:33.59 | karlpinc | !tell GTRsdk about vt |
| 21:34.23 | karlpinc | GTRsdk: I'd expect you need to run "/etc/init.d/xdm start". |
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| 21:35.05 | GTRsdk | karlpinc: Thanks! |
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| 21:35.40 | karlpinc | GTRsdk: (It'll run that at boot for you.) |
| 21:35.56 | Max_213 | thanks |
| 21:36.01 | rexer | well even after compiling kernel 3.2.2... i still have same problem with screen blank and unresponsive keyboard after dist-upgrade on 1-28... |
| 21:36.04 | GTRsdk | karlpinc: That's very helpful. Thank you! |
| 21:36.07 | Max_213 | did not know that site |
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| 21:36.38 | ksuhku | :) |
| 21:36.45 | mwallacesd2 | karlpinc, yes I am! In fact those procedures is from the manual dude! =) |
| 21:36.59 | Chrysippus | Hello. I'm exploring Debian's kernel-package offerings. Reading at http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages, for Squeeze I'm directed to "View the packages in the stable distribution" @ http://packages.debian.org/stable/ which unfortunately returns "Internal Server Error". Is the server in fact down, or is the link incorrect? |
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| 21:37.56 | jordanm | Chrysippus: that link works for me |
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| 21:38.25 | Chrysippus | jordanm: the latter link? |
| 21:38.57 | joar | Chrysippus: both for me |
| 21:39.14 | joar | but not through curl. |
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| 21:39.22 | joar | joar@lina:~/git/mediagoblin$ curl -I http://packages.debian.org/stable/ |
| 21:39.23 | joar | HTTP/1.1 500 Internal Server Error |
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| 21:39.52 | joar | Chrysippus: Try reloading it, or switching browser. |
| 21:40.13 | joar | switching browser might not work, as I can't see any load balancer sticky-cookie. |
| 21:40.24 | joar | just hammer F5, with moderation. |
| 21:41.20 | Chrysippus | joar: Reloading Firefox, as well as attempts in Chromium & Opera all fail. Otoh, curl is successful. |
| 21:41.21 | mwallacesd2 | I already many changes so I will restart my X and test, see ya! Thanks for all you help guys! jhutchins_wk I already tried the second link information too but it did not wokrs to me, anyway thanks all!!! |
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| 21:42.30 | yellowlantern | what's the best way to add a simple script to startup (Debian 5 and 6) that just generates HOST SSH keys if they don't exists. It's not a service, just a script. Thank you. |
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| 21:42.38 | David`` | Quick question: If I plug in a USB flash drive, mount it, do my business and then un-mount it, is there anything else I should do or can I just pull it out safely? |
| 21:43.17 | Chrysippus | joar: As is http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/http://packages.debian.org/stable/. A mystery. |
| 21:43.24 | joar | David``: from a layman: that should be enough. Personally, I rarely unmount them. |
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| 21:43.45 | David`` | joar: Alright, thanks. |
| 21:43.56 | joar | Chrysippus: although dfeojm seems to cache the result. |
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| 21:44.12 | David`` | I'm new to manually managing removable media, USB CD drives, etc. Just making sure. |
| 21:44.26 | Chrysippus | joar: Missed that. Thanks. |
| 21:45.00 | joar | Chrysippus: Just guessing, based on the time it takes to reload dfeojm |
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| 21:45.27 | joar | my curls succeed and fail from time to time |
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| 21:47.09 | Chrysippus | joar: It would seem I'm not entirely alone. |
| 21:47.24 | David`` | joar: Would the same apply to USB CD drives? Un-mount and un-plug? |
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| 21:48.02 | rexer | well even after compiling kernel 3.2.2... i still have same problem with screen blank and unresponsive keyboard after dist-upgrade on 1-28... |
| 21:48.19 | dutchfish | yellowlantern, look at the preseed docs also checkout http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/394 |
| 21:48.20 | joar | David``: I can't be sure; but as long as you don't burn to the drive, it should be safe. |
| 21:48.25 | iToast | hey whats better |
| 21:48.31 | iToast | Lighthttpd or apache.. |
| 21:48.41 | joar | iToast: what are you going to do? |
| 21:48.51 | David`` | joar: Alright, thanks again. |
| 21:48.56 | David`` | I'll ask around to be sure. |
| 21:48.59 | iToast | joar, be able to take a suddent high spike of requests while staying reliable |
| 21:49.08 | iToast | for a small website with gzip compression :p |
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| 21:49.19 | iToast | and deflate so the connection is less stressed |
| 21:49.23 | joar | iToast: I would believe lighttpd beats apache in performance. |
| 21:49.47 | joar | iToast: but for spikes, I would recommend varnish, squid or some other caching. |
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| 21:50.01 | iToast | ok |
| 21:50.22 | mwallacesd | Ha ha! know it is working properly!!!! é í ó ñ ç !!!! |
| 21:50.32 | joar | iToast: are you going to host dynamic content? As you can imagine, dynamic content and caching only works to a degree. |
| 21:50.46 | iToast | joar, in the middle |
| 21:50.57 | iToast | Some data will be dynamic the rest will be static |
| 21:51.55 | joar | iToast: I believe you can do some filtering on what should be cached and what shouldn't, but more importantly: I believe at least one of squid or varnish has functionality to purge the cache upon request from the backend. |
| 21:52.19 | Chrysippus | As I'm seemingly unable to check at the moment, might someone clarify which kernel version is available for Squeeze? I'm specifically looking for kernel v>= 3x with full pvops Xen support. My as yet unfounded belief is that Debian holds relatively true to unmodified upstream kernel sources, but I'm unclear as to which are 'stable' combinations of stable Squeeze & up to date kernels. |
| 21:52.33 | joar | so if you are going to host a discussion forum, you might have your application tell the reverse proxy cache to renew everytime a certain page is updated. |
| 21:52.34 | karlpinc | iToast: caching or not is part of http itself. (At least 1.1 and probably something with 1.0 too) |
| 21:52.40 | iToast | i know ;p |
| 21:52.57 | karlpinc | !tell Chrysippus about bdo |
| 21:52.58 | gnarface | question: kernel 2.6-686-pae .... is there a point in using that on machines with only 2gb of ram and one (less than 2ghz) cpu? |
| 21:52.58 | gnarface | p4 |
| 21:53.04 | joar | iToast: there there, *pats on head* ;) |
| 21:53.22 | dutchfish | , kernel |
| 21:53.23 | judd | Available kernel versions are: sid: 3.2.0-1-686-pae (3.2.2-1); wheezy: 3.1.0-1-686-pae (3.1.8-2); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.1-686-pae (3.2.1-2~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-41); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-35~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-27) |
| 21:53.31 | mwallacesd | I change all the system configuration to defaut language, english. Then I added one-by-one the others locales, then I reconfugure the keyboard layout as the same (my fist try) restartd the x and retuned the system language to portuguese and it is working properly know!!! karlpinc |
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| 21:53.54 | mwallacesd | If anyone askme I dont have any idea why ... =)\ |
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| 21:54.21 | karlpinc | mwallacesd: Cool. Now you can help people on irc.debian.org #debian-br :) |
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| 21:54.44 | mwallacesd | of course! why not? It is the spirit! |
| 21:54.46 | mwallacesd | =) |
| 21:55.03 | karlpinc | mwallacesd: It reboots too? (Never hurts to check.) |
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| 21:56.12 | mwallacesd | karlpinc, yes it is. |
| 21:56.19 | Chrysippus | karlpinc: Thanks, 'backports' are noted. judd that string of kernel versions appears auto generated -- is it? I'd like to generate/learn the same for x86_64. |
| 21:56.23 | rexer | thanks for nuthin... |
| 21:57.13 | rexer | they say linux is sooo way better... but when you got a problem.. nobody knows. |
| 21:57.31 | joar | rexer: You're welcome! Serously, could you please elaborate on your troubles? |
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| 21:58.41 | rexer | joar: after 1-28 dist-upgrade.. boots where screen is blank and keyboard unresponsive.. hp dm1 netbook ati radeon 6130 sqeeese with default kernel.. |
| 21:59.10 | Chrysippus | karlpinc: for the moment, the backport reference leads back to the "Internal Server Error" above, e.g. @ http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=kernel&searchon=names§ion=all&suite=squeeze-backports. |
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| 21:59.14 | joar | rexer: what does 1-28 mean in this case? |
| 21:59.23 | Chrysippus | I'll revisit again when things settle. |
| 21:59.26 | rexer | joar: january 28 |
| 22:00.46 | rexer | ive booted in to recovery mode ok.. manualy get nic and ssh running... but other than that.. its just a glorified terminal. |
| 22:01.00 | joar | rexer: I recommend you try to extract some kind of logs from it. Without any error messages it's hard for me to tell anything. |
| 22:01.06 | kevlarman | rexer: which driver are you using? |
| 22:01.30 | rexer | kevlarman: when it worked i used ati catalyst |
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| 22:01.42 | kevlarman | rexer: how did you install it? |
| 22:01.45 | rexer | it worked fine.. did exactly what it does.. |
| 22:01.58 | rexer | kevlarman: using the GUI |
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| 22:02.05 | kevlarman | rexer: what gui? |
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| 22:03.04 | rexer | kevlarman: AMD Catalyst™ 11.11 Proprietary Linux x86 Display Driver101 MB12.11/25/2012Download |
| 22:03.07 | rexer | Description: |
| 22:03.09 | rexer | Automated installer and Display Drivers for X.Org 6.7, 6.8, 6.9, 7.0, 7.1, 7.2, 7.3, 7.4, 7.5, or 7.6 |
| 22:03.47 | karlpinc | rexer: What version of debian? |
| 22:04.06 | karlpinc | rexer: Ah. Never mind. You said squeeze. |
| 22:05.11 | kevlarman | rexer: that doesn't answer the question |
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| 22:06.37 | rexer | kevlarman: the driver worked months before jan-28 dist-upgrade. |
| 22:07.00 | epicfail | a lot of updates today... |
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| 22:07.13 | epicfail | hey guys... who the hell have i to kill to get wine 1.3? |
| 22:07.15 | kevlarman | rexer: how did you install the driver? |
| 22:07.15 | rexer | so.... what logs you guys like to see snips of? |
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| 22:07.25 | kevlarman | epicfail: http://winehq.org/download |
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| 22:08.18 | epicfail | kevlarman, curerently open in my browser... just tells me to download the package manually |
| 22:08.23 | lapsusbrutus | dpkg-reconfigure console-data This was the way to change kbmap for console. But no nordic dvoraks.. :( Will this come later? Please add it, pretty please.. |
| 22:08.32 | kevlarman | epicfail: correct |
| 22:08.39 | epicfail | hey guys... who the hell have i to kill to get wine 1.3? |
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| 22:09.28 | rexer | kevlarman: chmod 755 amd-driver-installer-12-1-x86.x86_64.run; /etc/init.d/gdm stop; ./amd-driver-installer-12-1-x86.x86_64.run |
| 22:09.57 | kevlarman | rexer: if you go behind the package manager's back like that, it will break every time you upgrade your kernel |
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| 22:10.15 | kevlarman | rexer: you need to either use the package manager or reinstall every time you upgrade |
| 22:10.59 | rexer | kevlarman: since when did ATi releases any .deb install files? |
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| 22:11.14 | kevlarman | rexer: they don't |
| 22:11.32 | kevlarman | rexer: but there is a package in non-free that downloads and installs fglrx |
| 22:11.35 | lapsusbrutus | rexer: yeah, install from apt :) it will recompile to fit new kernels automagically I think |
| 22:11.38 | epicfail | is there no wine backport package? |
| 22:11.43 | kevlarman | epicfail: no |
| 22:12.05 | lapsusbrutus | rexer: fglrx is awesome. |
| 22:12.06 | kevlarman | rexer: alternatively, just use radeon, and you don't have to worry about this type of thing |
| 22:12.14 | epicfail | i dont wanna compromise my system... |
| 22:12.34 | kevlarman | epicfail: the guy building those packages is a debian packager |
| 22:12.44 | lapsusbrutus | rexer: have HD4850 and 4870, very good fps |
| 22:12.50 | epicfail | how do i verify the other package is save to install |
| 22:13.03 | jelly-home | epicfail: verify the source and patches the way he instructs youto |
| 22:13.04 | epicfail | ye but i have to verify against mitm attacks |
| 22:13.12 | kevlarman | epicfail: afaik they're signed |
| 22:13.22 | epicfail | where? |
| 22:13.23 | kevlarman | epicfail: alternatively, just build it yourself |
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| 22:14.37 | kevlarman | epicfail: it says right at the top of the page |
| 22:14.46 | kevlarman | epicfail: the source package is signed with his key |
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| 22:15.33 | lapsusbrutus | rexer: fglrx is not hard to install and gives you top performance + no hassle with upgrades if you do it correctly and install kernel headers |
| 22:15.59 | kevlarman | lapsusbrutus: i wouldn't call fglrx no hassle |
| 22:16.10 | rexer | lapsusbrutus: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834157883 |
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| 22:16.45 | kevlarman | lapsusbrutus: aside from issues caused by them supporting only 1024 uniforms, it has a strong tendency to get random regressions |
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| 22:17.06 | kevlarman | lapsusbrutus: i've lost count of all the times fglrx has broken portal |
| 22:17.29 | Chrysippus | When searching 'squeeze-backports' for packages names containing, kernel, the result returned is empty other than a warning "Your keyword was too generic." For those of those not yet familiar with Debian's kernel naming ... what would be a more fruitful search? |
| 22:17.31 | lapsusbrutus | kevlarman: ok, no problems at all on my card in the recent years if I remeber well :) |
| 22:17.52 | kevlarman | lapsusbrutus: i ran fglrx from ~9.4 to ~11.8 |
| 22:17.58 | kevlarman | lots of problems |
| 22:18.00 | jelly-home | Chrysippus: /msg judd kernels |
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| 22:18.17 | kevlarman | eventually i just bought a new box with a gtx560 |
| 22:18.23 | lapsusbrutus | hmm ok, memory might be fooling me, but cant remeber having trouble |
| 22:18.29 | jelly-home | Chrysippus: or if you're searching for package name substring matches, linux-image |
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| 22:18.55 | kevlarman | lapsusbrutus: e.g. borderlands won't run in fglrx, mass effect won't run, source may or may not run at this time, etc. |
| 22:19.15 | kevlarman | lapsusbrutus: plus the problems with compositors |
| 22:19.25 | kevlarman | anyway this is kinda offtopic |
| 22:19.28 | joar | speaking of fglrx, does anyone have the issue with fglrx crashing whenever you open totem, or try to watch a movie in VLC? |
| 22:19.37 | lapsusbrutus | hmm, memory is coming back now :p :p |
| 22:19.43 | kevlarman | joar: fixed in 12.1 iirc |
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| 22:19.58 | Chrysippus | jelly-home: Not quite sure what to do with the "/msg judd kernels", but "linux-image" sounds helpful. I'll try that again as soon as the server recovers from Y.A. "Internal Server Error" ... |
| 22:20.03 | kevlarman | joar: or don't let vlc/totem/etc. use xv |
| 22:20.29 | joar | kevlarman: 12.1 of what? :) |
| 22:20.34 | kevlarman | joar: fglrx |
| 22:20.36 | joar | kevlarman: that's the common denominator! |
| 22:20.38 | lapsusbrutus | kevlarman: probably thats why I love and adore linux that much, memory purges all trouble I have had |
| 22:20.41 | lapsusbrutus | :p |
| 22:20.53 | jelly-home | Chrysippus: it's an irc client command to ask the irc bot named "judd" about available kernel versions across releases and backports |
| 22:21.16 | joar | kevlarman: I was wondering whatever would be the common denominator for the issue. I'ven't dared to start a new application for ages! |
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| 22:22.03 | joar | I actually found it really weird when it crashed, trying GStreamer with xvimagesink, it seems I was just hitting myself spot in the eye. |
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| 22:22.41 | kevlarman | joar: like i said, avoid xv if you have a bad fglrx version |
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| 22:23.44 | joar | kevlarman: still, as good as any application may run xv :/ |
| 22:24.34 | Chrysippus | jelly-home: Aha. Judd is a bot. That's now clear. |
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| 22:25.22 | kleanchap | How do I setup alert notifications when I receive email in evolution? i.e. if I am in a different workspace in gnome. |
| 22:25.48 | joar | so, fglrx 12 has hit unstable, is there any way to cherry-pick it into my wheezy instance? |
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| 22:26.39 | Iridos | did you already sacrifice a sheep? |
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| 22:27.43 | dschoepe | Somewhat off-topic: Does anyone know a way to remove all background images from a pdf (specifically, an OCR'ed scanned document)? |
| 22:28.14 | joar | dschoepe: try inkscape if you intend to do it manually |
| 22:28.38 | dschoepe | joar: I'd prefer not to, as it has a lot of pages. |
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| 22:29.59 | joar | dschoepe: http://wiki.inkscape.org/wiki/index.php/Script_extensions |
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| 22:30.23 | dschoepe | joar: Ah, I'll give that a shot; thanks |
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| 22:34.24 | cardamon | Okay, I got of a microphone. |
| 22:34.31 | cardamon | er |
| 22:34.43 | cardamon | I got a microphone...sorry, still thinking through a head cold. |
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| 22:35.15 | cardamon | But I don't know what to use to configure it, or test it...or why I get white noise in my headphones. |
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| 22:35.54 | rexer | so what was that about video card driver installing everytime update? |
| 22:36.33 | KnightsWhoSayNi | cardamon: sound preferences if you are using gnome |
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| 22:36.41 | cardamon | KnightsWhoSayNi: I am not. |
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| 22:39.13 | Iridos | dschoepe, did you look at pdftk? |
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| 22:40.06 | dschoepe | Iridos: Briefly, but I didn't see anything that did exactly that. |
| 22:40.17 | Iridos | dschoepe, mmh, and your question is not clear... do you WANT the images? |
| 22:40.46 | dschoepe | Iridos: No, I just want the removed entirely with the text layer intact (as if there was just a white background). |
| 22:40.52 | dschoepe | *them |
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| 22:42.06 | Iridos | well... you can uncompress the pdf, which gets you something (kind of) human-readable that you can prune stuff out of |
| 22:44.34 | dschoepe | Iridos: Thanks, I'll try that. I've not been very successful with inkscape so far. |
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| 22:44.56 | cardamon | Okay, i figured out how to test it but it's REALLY quiet, even though rear mic is all the way up. |
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| 22:46.46 | Iridos | dschoepe, much easier to just extract text with pdftext or possibly pdftohtml |
| 22:47.56 | KnightsWhoSayNi | cardamon: make sure it's plugged in far as it goes |
| 22:48.25 | joar | what good VM managers are there? I want to boot up an image, do some stuff, then discard (having to manually discard is OK). |
| 22:48.27 | cardamon | If I turn up Rear Mic Boost it's better but then I start getting white noise, clicks and keystrokes, and arecord doesn't actually record it. |
| 22:48.27 | dschoepe | Iridos: That was my first try, but I want to convert the result to an epub/mobi and the many line breaks in the txt seem to confuse calibre. |
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| 22:48.50 | dschoepe | But I guess I could try some more post-processing and see if I can find a difference between those line breaks and new paragraphs |
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| 22:49.58 | Iridos | dschoepe, there's options to pdftext that change the behavior in point of line breaks... |
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| 22:50.28 | Iridos | btw. there's pdftext and pdftotext, not sure which of those I mean right now |
| 22:50.37 | epicfail | i downloaded his key from the debian server and the file with the md5 and the asc... how do i verify? |
| 22:50.41 | rexer | thanks bye |
| 22:51.37 | dschoepe | Iridos: Oh, I used pdftotext, which doesn't seem to have such an option. |
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| 22:52.42 | epicfail | how do i install a .deb in my local directory? |
| 22:53.21 | dschoepe | Iridos: I can only find gpdftext, but that also seems to handle line breaks like I want it to. |
| 22:53.52 | Iridos | epicfail, not. You can upack its contents, though. But every *install* of a package includes preinstall and postinstall scripts doing their work. |
| 22:54.28 | Iridos | dschoepe, which one can't you find |
| 22:55.00 | Iridos | ops |
| 22:55.01 | epicfail | Iridos, thats nice... asumeing i have aaa.deb in my current dir what comand does it install? |
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| 22:55.16 | dschoepe | Iridos: pdftext |
| 22:55.17 | Iridos | epicfail, you mean onto the system? |
| 22:55.27 | epicfail | Iridos, yes |
| 22:55.29 | dschoepe | apt-file doesn't know about it either. |
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| 22:56.11 | Iridos | dschoepe, mmh, my current system doesn't have it either - although I just thought I saw it... perhaps something I either manually installed or that older debian distributions had |
| 22:56.53 | Iridos | or my poor old memory is deceiving me |
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| 22:57.20 | dschoepe | Well, gpdftext seems to have done the job, luckily :) |
| 22:57.38 | dschoepe | No I just have to remove all those page numbers in the middle of the text :) |
| 22:57.47 | Iridos | dschoepe, the option I meant was -layout, possibly -raw |
| 22:57.52 | dschoepe | s/No/Now/ |
| 22:57.57 | dschoepe | Ah, okay. |
| 22:58.29 | Iridos | but yeah... I remember there were more options for fine-tuning... perhaps |
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| 23:02.05 | epicfail | okey guys im downloading 1 by 1 the packages on that side.... and every time it tells me it needs additional packeges from the side... how do i install the **** deb includeing to autosolve the deb |
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| 23:02.56 | Iridos | epicfail, "dpkg -i package.deb" then run aptitude -f install to install dependencies from the repo |
| 23:03.03 | Iridos | what package do you want to install anyway |
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| 23:06.23 | Iridos | dschoepe, oh, I think it was renamed to gpdftext... possibly it was a fork from the original project and debian removed that original or somesuch. Or it was a rewrite... I don't recall the details |
| 23:06.30 | epicfail | Iridos, they are not in the repo... there is no repo |
| 23:06.38 | joar | Chrysippus: Well, now I can't reach packages.debian.org either. Only via curl |
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| 23:07.48 | Iridos | epicfail, you realize, it's a bit difficult to say anything specific if you are so unspecific |
| 23:08.04 | epicfail | http://dev.carbon-project.org/debian/wine-unstable/ |
| 23:08.22 | epicfail | thats what i try to do... i barely manage to verify and i do not manage to install |
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| 23:09.22 | Iridos | epicfail, it tells you pretty much the same as I did |
| 23:09.47 | Chrysippus | joar: Is this a common occurrence with Debian site? Or have I simply stumbled onto a bad day on my first day? |
| 23:10.00 | epicfail | Iridos, if i dpkg -i it tells me it cant find the packages |
| 23:10.11 | Iridos | and there's also wine-unstable | 1.1.34-1 | http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ sid/main |
| 23:10.14 | joar | Chrysippus: It's my first time encountering this too. |
| 23:10.21 | joar | not debian, but this error. |
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| 23:10.42 | Iridos | epicfail, what is the exact command |
| 23:11.14 | kevlarman | Iridos: 1.1.34 is beyond ancient |
| 23:11.38 | Iridos | also note, those are for sid... you might simply not be able to install them into stable |
| 23:11.45 | Iridos | without breaking it badly, that is |
| 23:11.52 | epicfail | http://paste.debian.net/154736/ Iridos |
| 23:11.52 | Iridos | kevlarman, I'm nearly 40... they look young to me |
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| 23:13.07 | Iridos | epicfail, but they're all from the same webpage... just download them all, put in one directory and inside that directory, do dpkg -i * |
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| 23:13.35 | kevlarman | epicfail: if you really are on stable they probably won't install though |
| 23:14.03 | epicfail | I WANT WINE 1.3 OR LATER |
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| 23:15.12 | Kunda | does Debian have the OSX equivalent of: pbcopy(1), pbpaste(1) - provide copying and pasting to the pasteboard (the Clipboard) from command line |
| 23:15.26 | themill | Kunda: xclip or dbus can both do that |
| 23:15.35 | Kunda | great |
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| 23:16.01 | Kunda | themill, which one is console only ? |
| 23:16.08 | Kunda | terminal i mean |
| 23:16.10 | epicfail | so how do i get wine 1.3? |
| 23:16.31 | themill | Kunda: both are terminal only in the sense that you're manipulating the X clipboard... |
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| 23:17.06 | Kunda | they'll work in a non GUI, yes? |
| 23:18.03 | Kunda | just tried searching for it with: apt-cache search dbus (not very effective) |
| 23:18.33 | themill | they're manipulating the X clipboard. they need an X session. If you want something for the console then you might want gpm |
| 23:18.34 | simonlnu | epicfail: i'm sure there are some good wine cellars around |
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| 23:20.13 | epicfail | CAN ANYONE IN THIS FORUM TELL ME HOW I POSSIBLY CAN INSTALL WINE 1.3 OR NOT? |
| 23:20.39 | themill | epicfail: not while your caps lock is stuck on we can;t |
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| 23:21.05 | Kunda | packages.debian.org <--500 Internal Server Error |
| 23:21.06 | epicfail | themill, and if not u ignore me -.- |
| 23:21.23 | g0rd0n | hi there! i'm upgrading a debian 5.0 box to 6.0 but ran into a problem where update-grub would fail with the following error message: |
| 23:21.33 | Iridos | it's a tough old world... |
| 23:21.34 | g0rd0n | grub-probe: error: Cannot find a GRUB drive for /dev/evms/md/md0. Check your device.map. |
| 23:21.42 | g0rd0n | the device.map file is empty though |
| 23:21.59 | g0rd0n | i have a normal software raid1 setup where md0 is the /boot drive |
| 23:22.05 | g0rd0n | what should i do? |
| 23:22.17 | themill | Kunda: thanks -- passed on |
| 23:22.24 | Kunda | themill, sure |
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| 23:22.41 | epicfail | themill, see.. no caplock... noone cares |
| 23:23.11 | themill | epicfail: I think plenty of people have tried to help you already |
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| 23:23.46 | simonlnu | epicfail: two moments on $search_engine would have told you this. |
| 23:24.03 | epicfail | themill, who? some tould me to do what on the page is, i did, dont work, no help |
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| 23:24.31 | Iridos | oh |
| 23:24.36 | Iridos | now you say |
| 23:24.40 | kevlarman | epicfail: does stable even have libpng 1.4? |
| 23:24.45 | Iridos | so I neednt have bothered |
| 23:24.57 | simonlnu | ,info libpng12 |
| 23:24.58 | judd | No package named 'libpng12' was found in squeeze/i386. |
| 23:25.00 | simonlnu | ,info libpng |
| 23:25.01 | judd | No package named 'libpng' was found in squeeze/i386. |
| 23:25.06 | Kunda | themill, so gpm does something like this: cat /etc/postfix/virtual | pbcopy; clear; pbpaste ? |
| 23:25.09 | simonlnu | ,info libpng2 |
| 23:25.10 | judd | No package named 'libpng2' was found in squeeze/i386. |
| 23:25.23 | simonlnu | damn soname-named packages.. |
| 23:25.24 | Kunda | can gpm do something like that i mean |
| 23:25.25 | epicfail | kevlarman, not sure but i dont think so |
| 23:25.27 | dspider | guys, are UUID's gone after formatting? |
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| 23:25.34 | themill | Kunda: what environment are you actually wanting to run this in? |
| 23:25.38 | kevlarman | epicfail: then it's too old for wine 1.3 to work |
| 23:25.39 | Kunda | debian |
| 23:25.49 | Kunda | shell |
| 23:25.53 | simonlnu | ,info libpng12-0 |
| 23:25.54 | judd | Package libpng12-0 (libs, optional) in squeeze/i386: PNG library - runtime. Version: 1.2.44-1+squeeze1; Size: 172.1k; Installed: 320k; Homepage: http://libpng.org/pub/png/libpng.html |
| 23:25.58 | themill | Kunda: over an ssh session? logged in to gnome? on VT1? |
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| 23:26.19 | Kunda | over ssh VT1 (aka terminal?) |
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| 23:26.33 | simonlnu | ,info libpng15 |
| 23:26.34 | judd | No package named 'libpng15' was found in squeeze/i386. |
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| 23:26.40 | simonlnu | ,info libpng15 --release=sid |
| 23:26.41 | judd | No package named 'libpng15' was found in sid/i386. |
| 23:26.47 | Kunda | themill: ^^ |
| 23:26.51 | simonlnu | ,info libpng15-15 --release=sid |
| 23:26.54 | judd | No package named 'libpng15-15' was found in sid/i386. |
| 23:27.07 | simonlnu | sorry for the noise folks |
| 23:27.30 | simonlnu | doh me.. |
| 23:27.35 | themill | ,names libpng* --release squeeze |
| 23:27.38 | judd | Search for libpng* in squeeze/i386: libpng12-0 1.2.44-1+squeeze1; libpng12-dev 1.2.44-1+squeeze1; libpng3 1.2.44-1+squeeze1; libpng++-dev 0.2.3-1; libpnglite-dev 0.1.17-1; libpng-sixlegs-java 1.3.0-1; libpng-sixlegs-java-doc 1.3.0-1; libpngwriter0c2 0.5.3-3; libpngwriter0-dev 0.5.3-3 |
| 23:27.39 | themill | simonlnu: ^^ |
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| 23:27.54 | simonlnu | oh damn, nice. thanks :) |
| 23:27.56 | epicfail | kevlarman, according to this it works fine http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=19125&iTestingId=61186 |
| 23:28.31 | Kunda | themill, really use commands, i'm surprised not well known |
| 23:28.35 | Kunda | useful |
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| 23:29.15 | Kunda | cowboyneal from /. ? |
| 23:29.43 | themill | Kunda: If I need a clipboard for something, I normally have X around anyway. |
| 23:30.23 | Kunda | makes sense.. |
| 23:30.25 | Kunda | ok..thanks anywya |
| 23:30.31 | Kunda | anyway..cheers |
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| 23:32.01 | g0rd0n | ok i solved the broblem by doing apt-get install grub which upgraded grub and generated devices.map correctly :P |
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| 23:32.31 | simonlnu | or gpm |
| 23:33.16 | bfgun | hello, i'm trying to configure a logitech rumblepad 2. is there a gui utility i could install? |
| 23:33.27 | themill | simonlnu: can you pipe to the gpm clipboard? I've not used gpm for so many years... |
| 23:34.08 | themill | (also gpm won't help you on an ssh connection) |
| 23:34.10 | simonlnu | i don't recall, sorry |
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| 23:34.57 | bfgun | if i try to use jstest or jscal like this: jstest /dev/bus/usb/004/002 ; jscal -c /dev/bus/usb/004/002... both cry 'permission to read denied' |
| 23:34.58 | Iridos | themill, don't think so... never seen it |
| 23:35.12 | epicfail | how do i get wine 1.3 on debian squeeze?? |
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| 23:36.02 | Iridos | themill, is he talking about mac-stuff? does it have a console?? |
| 23:36.22 | themill | Iridos: looking for the linux equivalent of a mac command |
| 23:36.31 | simonlnu | epicfail: seriously,stop acting like a pest. if you want help, you have to help yourself too. we gave you ample hints but you fail to even follow up on them. why should we help you? |
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| 23:37.03 | simonlnu | epicfail: expecting people to hand you things on a silver platter will only alienate people |
| 23:37.08 | Iridos | themill, I mean,,, does his mac have a text console?? |
| 23:37.26 | themill | Iridos: this works when ssh'd onto the mac as well, apparently. |
| 23:37.27 | epicfail | simonlnu, i did everything that anyone in this chat suggested -.- |
| 23:37.34 | Iridos | mmmh |
| 23:37.37 | simonlnu | Iridos: if it's running linux or os x, why wouldn't it? |
| 23:38.20 | simonlnu | epicfail: i'm sorry, but i'm not seeing evidence of that. stick into google "wine 1.3 debian squeeze" |
| 23:38.28 | Iridos | simonlnu, wine: I think it's just not possible in squeeze... libs it depends on are too old |
| 23:38.49 | Iridos | simonlnu, I mean... there's no text console on the mac, is there? |
| 23:38.58 | Iridos | themill, hmmm |
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| 23:39.25 | simonlnu | Iridos: depending on os, yes there is |
| 23:39.26 | epicfail | according to this article it is http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=19125&iTestingId=61186 |
| 23:39.34 | Iridos | themill, who knows what it does... bsd also uses xorg... stuff is not SO diferent |
| 23:40.39 | Iridos | epicfail, good luck to you then |
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| 23:40.49 | Iridos | <--- going to party |
| 23:41.14 | epicfail | anyone know how do i get wine 1.3 on debian squeeze?? |
| 23:41.34 | themill | epicfail: if you shut up more and whinged less, you might even get an answer |
| 23:42.15 | epicfail | there is a wine-unstable package in the sources but it cant be resolved... |
| 23:43.15 | themill | whatever that actually means |
| 23:44.22 | epicfail | themill, its missing but refered by a other package, its missing obsulete or only available from an other source (try to change my mirror) |
| 23:45.00 | themill | trying to download a source package doesn't give that message |
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| 23:46.06 | epicfail | themill, no i found that pkg in my packet manager |
| 23:46.26 | sacredchao | I have this nasty issue when I run a fullscreen application (game) with a different resolution as my desktop, and when I quit it doesn't go back to my native resolution |
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| 23:46.34 | sacredchao | When I do switch it back to normal, the fonts are TINY in KDE |
| 23:46.52 | sacredchao | I can't see folder and file names or menus the text looks like tiny black dots |
| 23:48.33 | epicfail | my software sources are stuck on mainserver and i cant change o_O |
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| 23:50.11 | epicfail | anyone still there? |
| 23:51.08 | themill | epicfail: you're really not making any sense |
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| 23:52.04 | epicfail | i wanna change my software source server for my /etc/apt/sources.list but i dont know how to do it |
| 23:52.20 | epicfail | that graphical manager seems to be buggy |
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| 23:53.48 | themill | epicfail: if you can't work out how to edit that file, then I suggest that you should not do so until you've learnt a lot more about linux in general and debian in particular. |
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| 23:54.24 | epicfail | okey guys can anyone tell me how to change the server where my software comes from without useing that buggy graphical "software sources" manager? |
| 23:55.07 | epicfail | themill, ignoreing ur last messge |
| 23:55.14 | simonlnu | use a text editor. doesn't depends on x running and you can do it any time. |
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| 23:55.20 | simonlnu | depend* |
| 23:55.28 | ggoes | Hello, all. I'm having some weird problem with dhclient. It refuses to resolve any hosts (with no telling messages in the syslog), and I can only connect via ethernet and dhcpcd. I usually use wicd and a wireless connection. |
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