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| 00:02.31 | TheWarden | Hi, does anyone know of good instructions on how to dual boot Windows 7 and Debian 6.0.4? I'm trying to use http://www.linuxbsdos.com/2011/02/17/how-to-dual-boot-debian-6-and-windows-7/2/ |
| 00:02.39 | TheWarden | but it doesn't quit match what I see on the screen. |
| 00:02.49 | TheWarden | I've never done a dual boot setup on one single drive. |
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| 00:03.19 | rectec | TheWarden, just use grub |
| 00:03.27 | TheWarden | I have my lvms setup but when I hit finish it says "no root file system is defined". |
| 00:03.30 | gusto | hey, i have this clicking noise problem on laptop hdd's and i am solving it with hdparm -B 255 /dev/<disk> on /etc/rc.local, but that is a way around ... does someone know why it writes on the disk constantly? is there a way to set it up so that it does not write anything on the disk and leave it in peace after its booted? |
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| 00:03.50 | TheWarden | rectec: I'm willing to use grub but I'm trying to setup the partitions correctly so I can install debian. |
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| 00:04.58 | TheWarden | I only want Debian to use one partition and not touch the rest of the drive as I already have Windows 7 installed. |
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| 00:06.14 | barvarietats | I got the;: Codec: SigmaTel STAC9205 |
| 00:06.14 | barvarietats | Codec: LSI ID 1040 |
| 00:06.33 | barvarietats | I have tried all possible models, no way I can make my frontal mic work, it worked in squeeze! |
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| 00:07.27 | arietis | can anyone help me set up ejabberd? i can't access web admin panel |
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| 00:09.45 | TheWarden | I've created one logical partition 250 MB ext3 /boot and the remaining free space of 119.5GBs. now what? LVM? |
| 00:10.15 | gusto | no |
| 00:10.22 | gusto | do you have more disks, or only one? |
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| 00:11.00 | BinaryLinux | I thought that said 250GB boot lol |
| 00:11.06 | TheWarden | I only have one hard drive in this laptop. |
| 00:11.16 | TheWarden | lol no its 250 MBs. |
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| 00:11.54 | gusto | well |
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| 00:11.59 | gusto | then why do you want LVM? |
| 00:12.14 | gusto | LVM is only to be used when you have more disks to create one virtual one |
| 00:12.18 | somiaj | TheWarden: LVM is nice if you want to be able to resize partitions, take snapshots, but it comes at a cost, I personally like regular partions with a file system (easier to recover) |
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| 00:12.32 | gusto | and i hope you have used GPT partition layout, didn't you? |
| 00:12.42 | somiaj | it is also nice if you really want to split up your data say /home, /var, etc, but for a desktop it isn't all that important. |
| 00:13.15 | gusto | somiaj: when you use GPT you can split up ... there you can have a lot of partitions in it |
| 00:13.52 | somiaj | gusto: sure, but lvm is easier/safer to resize and has built in snapshot features for the different partitions. And not bios/computers support GPT |
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| 00:14.23 | somiaj | but totally agree, lvm is over kill if you don't need it. |
| 00:16.13 | TheWarden | well to be honest I don't know what I'm doing lol just going by the tutorial. I just want to install Debian on the second parition using all space. If I can do that with out LVM sounds good to me. |
| 00:16.31 | gusto | i am now using GPT for every computer |
| 00:16.41 | gusto | i never seen a bios that would not boot from it |
| 00:16.46 | gusto | so that is ok |
| 00:17.08 | gusto | and when you want to resize and take snapshots it is better to use BTRFS or ZFS |
| 00:17.19 | TheWarden | I'm not familiar with GPT. I have Windows 7 installed already on the first partion. |
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| 00:17.37 | gusto | maybe windows already created a GPT layout |
| 00:17.57 | gusto | now windowses are also johnny on the spot when it comes to technology |
| 00:18.02 | TheWarden | okay so I'll delete the paritions I've made and create one big one and then what? |
| 00:18.19 | gusto | use BTRFS for it :-D |
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| 00:20.01 | gusto | BTRFS on linux, and ZFS for freebsd or solaris |
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| 00:20.49 | gusto | i think now you do not even need a boot partition, because the current version of grub2 can boot from btrfs as well |
| 00:20.59 | gusto | as far as i know |
| 00:22.48 | gusto | btw. did someone experience something similar what i have experienced a few days ago when i had a data deseaster on XFS, because it did hold the files inside the ram and then my computer crashed and after i reseted, the files were there, but all with 0B length :-(, ha? |
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| 00:25.33 | LtL | loop-: looking for mp3's? seriously |
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| 00:33.06 | Gm4n | how do I tell why mdadm marked a drive as failed? |
| 00:34.01 | dvs | mdadm /dev/md0 --details |
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| 00:34.59 | GTRsdk | With the business card ISO, could I load firmware for wifi and install? |
| 00:36.10 | TechDesk | ... |
| 00:36.43 | Gm4n | dvs: ok, mdadm --detail /dev/md0 shows drive number 0 as "removed", but I have no idea why... |
| 00:37.31 | LtL | Gm4n: /var/log/syslog might say something, or cat /proc/mdstat [i think] |
| 00:38.19 | Gm4n | I was looking at mdstat, it just shows a device missing... checking syslog now |
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| 00:41.09 | Gm4n | !paste |
| 00:41.09 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ http://paste.pocoo.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>, <lodgeit.py>. |
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| 00:42.26 | DeM0nFiRe | Hello |
| 00:43.03 | LtL | hi DeM0nFiRe |
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| 00:43.53 | arietis | i'm trying to set up openfire on my nas but web admin panel doesn't works, same with ejabberd, any idea why it happens? |
| 00:44.05 | GTRsdk | Is the Business Card ISO capable of loading firmware on the Debian Installer? |
| 00:44.07 | arietis | if i'm doing same actions in VirtualBox, it works fine |
| 00:44.39 | Gm4n | LtL or dvs - this is output from mdadm --detail, mdstat, syslog: http://paste.debian.net/154954/. I still don't understand how drive failed. |
| 00:44.57 | arietis | i'm using Debian for armel architecture |
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| 00:47.41 | Tux | Having dpkg headaches after for some reason it hung. |
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| 00:48.15 | Tux | my error is http://paste.pocoo.org/show/545896/ |
| 00:49.36 | LtL | Gm4n: I am not familiar with RAID but this url may shed some light. http://www.howtoforge.com/replacing_hard_disks_in_a_raid1_array |
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| 00:49.58 | forgotten | how do i make iptables rules permanant ? |
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| 00:51.08 | Gm4n | my issue isn't that I don't know how to replace the drive - I spent the morning figuring out which one it is :) |
| 00:51.10 | mangas | forgotten, get them into the config file |
| 00:51.14 | Gm4n | I just don't know what went wrong... |
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| 00:51.19 | Gm4n | (the drive seems to be working fine) |
| 00:51.29 | LtL | forgotten: iptables-save |
| 00:51.32 | trist4n | hi. when i do apt-get update the mirrors seem to be trying to use ipv6, which subsequently doesnt work |
| 00:51.43 | trist4n | how can i disalbe this. i dont want to use ipv6 at all |
| 00:52.02 | forgotten | LtL: and it will survive a reboot? |
| 00:52.42 | mangas | forgotten, it's supposed to |
| 00:53.27 | LtL | forgotten: it should, yes |
| 00:53.30 | forgotten | testing |
| 00:53.59 | LtL | trist4n: remove ipv6, scroll down this page. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianIPv6 |
| 00:54.11 | trist4n | i set the sysctls and rebooted, still doesnt seem to work |
| 00:54.23 | trist4n | i can see a bunch of ipv6 entries if i do modprobe -l, but none in lsmod. |
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| 00:55.32 | forgotten | it didn't survive |
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| 00:57.08 | forgotten | testing something else |
| 00:57.10 | Tux | Having dpkg headaches after for some reason it hung. |
| 00:57.12 | Tux | my error is http://paste.pocoo.org/show/545896/ |
| 00:57.24 | LtL | forgotten: I never saw that fail, on most distro's if not all |
| 00:57.58 | themill | Tux: that would indicate that there is another apt or dpkg process running a debconf prompt somewhere |
| 00:58.40 | LtL | trist4n: according to the wiki, echo net.ipv6.conf.all.disable_ipv6=1 > /etc/sysctl.d/disableipv6.conf then reboot |
| 00:58.50 | forgotten | my tables is empty after reboots |
| 00:59.06 | LtL | forgotten: you were root right? |
| 00:59.20 | forgotten | hrmm or wait |
| 00:59.33 | forgotten | how do i show masquerade rules |
| 00:59.43 | forgotten | or nat rules |
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| 01:00.54 | LtL | forgotten: iptables -L should list all rules |
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| 01:01.40 | LtL | forgotten: iptables-restore is something to try, then apply, save |
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| 01:03.39 | LtL | forgotten: I haven't used iptables in years, so my experience is limited. |
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| 01:04.41 | LtL | Tux: maybe shutting down the httpd would unlock those files, just a guess |
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| 01:06.31 | Tux | Hmm, no apache is running, and there is no other dpkg sessions |
| 01:07.03 | LtL | Tux: no package manager running, as themill suggested? |
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| 01:07.51 | Tux | Nope |
| 01:08.01 | Tux | o wait |
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| 01:08.37 | Tux | Needed to kill dpkg, again |
| 01:09.02 | Tux | Sneaky apt. |
| 01:09.28 | LtL | Tux: maybe it was checking for updates, what's the uptime |
| 01:10.23 | Tux | Not much, it's just recently been turned on |
| 01:10.51 | LtL | Tux: that could be why, slow cpu's can take awhile |
| 01:11.30 | LtL | Tux: run apt-get update && apt-get upgrade see what happens |
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| 01:13.02 | LtL | Tux: check 'top' for a zombie, only a reboot will rid that |
| 01:14.30 | mallxs | hi, on my fresh install i get icewasel 3.5.16, i'm i now running a old version ? |
| 01:15.01 | LtL | ,version iceweasel |
| 01:15.02 | judd | Package: iceweasel on i386 -- lenny: 3.0.6-3; lenny-security: 3.0.6-3; lenny-backports: 3.5.16-11~bpo50+1; squeeze: 3.5.16-11; squeeze-security: 3.5.16-12; wheezy: 9.0.1-1; sid: 10.0-1 |
| 01:15.03 | mallxs | sorry my install is squeeze |
| 01:17.32 | LtL | mallxs: dpkg -s iceweasel .. My squeeze version is 3.5.16-12 |
| 01:17.57 | LtL | mallxs: I would say youre good to go |
| 01:18.47 | mallxs | good to go to wheezy ? or what ? |
| 01:19.24 | LtL | mallxs: if you like living dangerously! read up on the upgrade though |
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| 01:19.36 | mallxs | i was yelling to Google when they told me i was on e very old version browser |
| 01:20.10 | LtL | mallxs: yeah, not to worry, they are looking for html 5 compliant |
| 01:20.15 | mallxs | it was in gmail |
| 01:20.45 | LtL | mallxs: try chromium browser, it's fast |
| 01:21.06 | mallxs | does that now comes in a .deb package ? |
| 01:21.09 | LtL | mallxs: you'll need a /etc/apt/sources.list line added |
| 01:21.27 | mallxs | pls advice the line |
| 01:21.41 | LtL | mallxs: deb http://dl.google.com/linux/deb/ stable main |
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| 01:21.58 | mallxs | will do that thx LtL |
| 01:21.59 | LtL | mallxs: the apt-get update |
| 01:22.13 | mallxs | thx i know the riddle |
| 01:22.23 | LtL | welcome |
| 01:23.29 | LtL | i'm bleed8ing on my keyboard, leaking finger, brb |
| 01:23.48 | mallxs | rofl |
| 01:24.08 | Tux | Fixed it now, had to reconfigure dbconfig-common mostly |
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| 01:24.46 | CarlyShae | hello all here is my situation... |
| 01:25.05 | CarlyShae | i have been assigned the task of installing debian 5 |
| 01:25.28 | neorubenx | Hi, creating dvd, if I dow growisofs -r -J path1 path2 path3, it's possible to put in the dvd mydir/path1,path2,path3 instead of just path1,path2,path3? thank you |
| 01:26.02 | DeM0nFiRe | :| For some reason now a fresh install of debian won't boot |
| 01:26.21 | CarlyShae | i have been assigned the task of installing debian 5.0.9 and vmware workstation on a friends computer. how to make a folder that is readable and writable by all users in the local box? this folder is for vm storage only |
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| 01:26.34 | DeM0nFiRe | Earlier I installed debian testing and then was trying to recompile the kernel, screwed it up and decided to start over, and now a fresh install won't boot |
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| 01:28.08 | Tux | CarlyShae, chmod 777 -R folder |
| 01:28.15 | Tux | Not very secure however |
| 01:29.18 | CarlyShae | cool thanks ill try that |
| 01:29.36 | LtL | DeM0nFiRe: how far does the boot get? |
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| 01:30.18 | DeM0nFiRe | One sec |
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| 01:31.43 | DeM0nFiRe | Yeah I can't catch the error before it just goes to a black screen |
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| 01:33.44 | LtL | DeM0nFiRe: you could try editting the grub menu boot linux line, add nomodeset and ctrl^x to boot it, but i think your disk didn't get prepared correctly |
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| 01:36.32 | DeM0nFiRe | LtL: Actually, that got it to boot |
| 01:37.10 | LtL | DeM0nFiRe: now you need to check logs, probably the wrong video driver |
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| 01:38.18 | DeM0nFiRe | Hmm, is it normal for it to have installed X11 even though I deselected the graphical desktop environment task? |
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| 01:39.37 | LtL | DeM0nFiRe: I couldn't say for sure, check here for your graphics card and kernel modules/setting http://wiki.debian.org/KernelModesetting |
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| 01:42.32 | DeM0nFiRe | This is strange, I am not sure why I am having this problem now, I installed from the same disk earlier today just fine |
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| 01:43.11 | DeM0nFiRe | Hmm, doesn't appear I have any of the drivers listed on that page, apparently it didn't install a video driver for me |
| 01:43.27 | Joseph1 | hi |
| 01:43.43 | LtL | DeM0nFiRe: lspci -nn get the bus id code |
| 01:46.37 | DeM0nFiRe | 1002:9712 |
| 01:47.05 | LtL | judd: pciid 1002:9712 |
| 01:47.07 | judd | [1002:9712] is 'RS880M [Mobility Radeon HD 4200 Series]' from 'Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI' with kernel modules 'snd-hda-intel', 'radeon' in squeeze. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1002:9712 http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary and the out-of-tree 'fglrx', 'snd-hda-intel' module. |
| 01:47.20 | DeM0nFiRe | Oh yeah I know which video drivers work for my video card |
| 01:47.30 | DeM0nFiRe | I am just wondering why what I need wasn't installed this time |
| 01:48.00 | LtL | DeM0nFiRe: good question, I don't know. |
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| 01:51.56 | LtL | udev should have probed it and loaded the correct module |
| 01:54.27 | LtL | DeM0nFiRe: did you install from a squeeze iso, or upgrade from lenny? |
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| 01:54.45 | DeM0nFiRe | Neither, I installed from a wheezy iso |
| 01:55.19 | LtL | DeM0nFiRe: ah, you're in for some troubleshooting |
| 01:55.34 | DeM0nFiRe | That's fine, but why did it work earlier today that still doesn't make sense :P |
| 01:55.44 | LtL | DeM0nFiRe: lsmod shows no video driver? |
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| 01:55.52 | LtL | DeM0nFiRe: yeah, it's odd |
| 01:56.38 | DeM0nFiRe | Well, I was going based on the fact that /etc/modprobe.d/ didn't have any of those conf files the KMS page listed |
| 01:56.51 | k-rAd | i have the latest master dvd for debian install. i am running linuxmint. i would like to install debian unto a external drive but have no idea which module to choose to access my external usb 3.0 hard drive. until then, i am trying to open the drive box. |
| 01:58.27 | LtL | k-rAd: usbcore ? among others possibly |
| 01:58.50 | k-rAd | LtL, i'll try that one. could you name the next likely candidate ? |
| 01:59.09 | k-rAd | i am on a ubuntu based distro if it helps to retrieve module information |
| 01:59.17 | LtL | k-rAd: usb_storage |
| 01:59.21 | k-rAd | thank you |
| 01:59.27 | k-rAd | you've done plenty i appreciate it |
| 01:59.59 | LtL | k-rAd: hope it works, there was a package called usbmount, dunno if it stills exists |
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| 02:00.34 | DeM0nFiRe | One thing disappointing is kernel 3.0.0 was supposed to have added the patch to fix acpi support for my netbook but nope! Still have to patch and recompile the kernel >.> |
| 02:00.36 | LtL | yeah, usbmount may pull in the rest |
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| 02:03.12 | LtL | I have to fix my damn finger, i cut the nails and caught meat....argh |
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| 02:03.51 | DeM0nFiRe | Fantastic now even doing nomodeset won't boot the damn thing :/ |
| 02:04.07 | DeM0nFiRe | Ok, I am going to just do a new iso and try this again |
| 02:04.21 | DeM0nFiRe | Gotta go |
| 02:04.24 | LtL | DeM0nFiRe: yo, wipe the disk clean, first |
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| 02:04.55 | DeM0nFiRe | Yeah I tried wiping the first 4GB with dd if=/dev/zero |
| 02:05.12 | DeM0nFiRe | I'll try it again on the whole disk |
| 02:05.24 | LtL | DeM0nFiRe: I would use parted, gparted or similiar |
| 02:06.36 | DeM0nFiRe | Yeah, I deleted all partitions with parted and then did dd |
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| 02:07.28 | LtL | DeM0nFiRe: gparted live cd iso isn't huge, works nicely |
| 02:07.53 | LtL | if you have a second box of course |
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| 02:09.13 | DeM0nFiRe | gparted is just a gtk front end for parted isn't it? |
| 02:10.00 | LtL | DeM0nFiRe: Not sure, I expect it is, but i always use a live cd |
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| 02:10.40 | LtL | DeM0nFiRe: i wouldn't run dd either unless you have a reason to. |
| 02:10.44 | cmdrtaco | PS AUX |
| 02:10.46 | DeM0nFiRe | Well, I just am using the parted on the rescue portion on the disk |
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| 02:11.50 | cmdrtaco | DMESG |
| 02:11.55 | cmdrtaco | hrm |
| 02:11.57 | arietis | when i'm typing mysql in terminal i have such error ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: NO) how can i fix it? |
| 02:12.15 | DeM0nFiRe | Well, I will be back in a little while, going to go to do something on this machine |
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| 02:12.33 | LtL | arietis: check the syntax, it's tricky, i've seen that before |
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| 02:13.28 | lstarnes | arietis: mysql -p |
| 02:13.57 | LtL | lstarnes: ty |
| 02:14.01 | arietis | thanks |
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| 02:16.53 | BoyOfWuHan | where can get install module wlan_scan_sta ? any help? |
| 02:19.12 | LtL | BoyOfWuHan: modprobe wlan_scan_sta ? |
| 02:19.33 | BoyOfWuHan | LtL,yes |
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| 02:19.49 | LtL | BoyOfWuHan: have you tried that? |
| 02:20.12 | BoyOfWuHan | modprobe wlan_scan_sta ...then,FATAL: Module wlan_scan_sta not found. |
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| 02:21.54 | LtL | BoyOfWuHan: I can't help you there. it doesn't seem to be in your kernel |
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| 02:22.06 | mwcampbell | Given a list of Debian binary packages, what would be the simplest way to fetch all of the corresponding source packages? |
| 02:23.06 | GTRsdk | apt-get source PACKAGE |
| 02:23.40 | GTRsdk | though that might not be too easy when you have 100+ packages to get sources for |
| 02:24.01 | LtL | roger that |
| 02:24.13 | mwcampbell | I want a way to get sources for all of the packages on a system. |
| 02:24.54 | mwcampbell | For my employer, I'm building a commercial product based on Debian, and I figure the best way to comply with copyright licenses is to collect the source packages for all the Debian packages on the system |
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| 02:25.59 | GTRsdk | well you might find it useful to see what license they are under, because you may not need to get the source for all of the packages |
| 02:26.59 | LtL | mwcampbell: there may be a sloppy way to do that with dpkg get-selections but i don't recall the factoid name |
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| 02:27.35 | LtL | mwcampbell: and you need the deb-src lines in sources.list |
| 02:27.50 | mrtn86 | Are "apt-get" and "aptitude" using the same database for packages? |
| 02:28.28 | GTRsdk | They both connect to the Debian servers |
| 02:28.58 | LtL | mrtn86: yes |
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| 02:29.57 | LtL | mwcampbell: try man dpkg and dpkg-deb |
| 02:30.35 | mwcampbell | Maybe I could do something like: apt-get source `grep "^Package:" /var/lib/dpkg/status | cut "-d " -f2` |
| 02:31.53 | LtL | mwcampbell: looks promising, but I can't confirm |
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| 02:32.31 | mrtn86 | LtL, so it's safe to mix those two commands? I mean use apt-get for installing one package and use aptitude for installing the other package? |
| 02:32.50 | mrtn86 | LtL, in addition, do you happen to know, where is this database file in the Debian system? |
| 02:33.00 | BoyOfWuHan | I want to make wireless work at booting time.....so I get some guidlines from google,,,indicade me to add "wlan_scan_sta" to /etc/modules ....but I dont know I to install wlan_scan_sta,,,or some similiar module instead |
| 02:33.45 | LtL | mrtn86: I doubt it, one manager will lock files I would assume |
| 02:34.07 | amphi | BoyOfWuHan: FWIW, I use wicd, and if you set it to automatically connect, it will bring up the wireless on boot |
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| 02:34.28 | ajwak95 | im trying to install debian and i'm getting two errors when trying to connect to the mirrors |
| 02:34.38 | ajwak95 | one is anna saying that it can't find the packages file |
| 02:34.50 | ajwak95 | and another saying there's a bad signature on /tmp/net-retriever-2220-Release |
| 02:34.52 | ajwak95 | any thoughts? |
| 02:35.01 | m1ke_l | what is that package that will find faster repo's for me? cant find it |
| 02:35.16 | buntunub | mtn86: there are some how say not to mix managers and some who say it makes no difference at all |
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| 02:35.31 | BoyOfWuHan | amphi: more details? |
| 02:35.53 | amphi | um… install wicd ? |
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| 02:38.00 | LtL | mrtn86: /var/log/dpkg.log shows what was installed, as far as a database I honestly don't know and dpkg.logs are rotated |
| 02:38.34 | buntunub | give the Debian package management wiki a shot |
| 02:39.00 | mrtn86 | LtL, thanks! |
| 02:39.02 | buntunub | the answers to Debian package management are fairly complex and not to be toyed with |
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| 02:39.36 | DeM0nFiRe | Hello, can anyone direct me to an up to date explanation on compiling the kernel the debian way (making it a kernel package) |
| 02:39.49 | LtL | mrtn86: there is a factoid on this subject but i don't know it, wiki.debian.org will |
| 02:40.28 | buntunub | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/ch-pkgtools.en.html |
| 02:40.49 | LtL | buntunub: thanks man |
| 02:40.58 | buntunub | np |
| 02:41.01 | BoyOfWuHan | anyone direct me to make wireless get worked at booting time (my english is poor ,maybe got some spell mistake..) |
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| 02:42.44 | LtL | BoyOfWuHan: once configured network-manager [gnome] will work, it does here. |
| 02:42.50 | buntunub | i guess the most important thing to take away from that wiki is this -- It is important to understand that the higher level package management tools such as aptitude or dselect rely on apt which, itself, relies on dpkg to manage the packages in the system. |
| 02:44.04 | ZitZ | hi, i'm trying to setup rsync to use ssh, i want to force rsync to use ssh with a specific key file, how do I set this up? |
| 02:44.19 | BoyOfWuHan | LtL,I did configured network-manager-gnome,,,,it did worked (when I got login)...but I want it worked without login... |
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| 02:45.12 | LtL | BoyOfWuHan: from the console? no X running? |
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| 02:46.07 | BoyOfWuHan | LtL,I want is to work ,just when i have press the prowerkey.. |
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| 02:48.01 | BoyOfWuHan | LtL,I have install ssh server in this machine.....so I want to cencet to this machine from a client machine.... |
| 02:48.53 | LtL | BoyOfWuHan: I have never tried that, add /etc/init.d/networking start to /etc/rc.local possible but you need to google that one or ask one of the experts here. |
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| 02:53.33 | BoyOfWuHan | LtL,,,thanks ,,I have gooled a lot ,and follow that,,,add some settings to /etc/init.d/interfaces ,,,, |
| 02:54.08 | LtL | BoyOfWuHan: sorry I couldn't be of more help |
| 02:54.13 | BoyOfWuHan | maybe wlan_scan_sta is not suit for my machine |
| 02:54.38 | BoyOfWuHan | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:55.07 | LtL | BoyOfWuHan: you are welcome |
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| 02:55.35 | LtL | BoyOfWuHan: you can have gnome login automatically... |
| 02:56.05 | LtL | not secure but it will do that if i recall correctly |
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| 02:57.48 | callen | Please execute `cat >/dev/null` in your terminal emulator and tell me the escape sequences for alt-left arrow and alt-right arrow. I am stuck on a non-Linux machine and need to fix my terminal emulator to use the proper sequences. Please and thank you. |
| 02:59.43 | callen | n/m, got it. |
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| 03:02.56 | mrtn86 | In case I execute a command(for example "apt-cache policy sed"), is it somehow possible to check, if this command calls another subcommands? |
| 03:03.31 | LtL | BoyOfWuHan: installing your kernel source package and headers may provide wlan_scan_sta but i am not sure. |
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| 03:03.49 | mrtn86 | Using this same "apt-cache policy sed" example, does apt-cache call "apt-show-versions" command? |
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| 03:06.29 | BoyOfWuHan | LtL,,thanks but that is a boring to install source pkgs and headers |
| 03:07.12 | BoyOfWuHan | LtL,chat private |
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| 03:07.50 | LtL | BoyOfWuHan: on the phone |
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| 03:08.05 | LtL | BoyOfWuHan: back soon, hopefully |
| 03:08.14 | nsadmin | then I guess it's less boring to have a broken system... I guess you find randomly occuring problems exciting |
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| 03:11.46 | nsadmin | maybe having your system half(or less)-upgraded and inability to install more packages gets your excitement really going |
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| 03:12.56 | Gm4n | hey all - I'm trying to figure out why mdadm failed my (as far as I can tell) working drive. This is what I get from mdadm --detail/mdstat/syslog: http://paste.debian.net/154954/ Any idease? |
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| 03:18.17 | DeM0nFiRe | This is insane :| |
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| 03:19.42 | davebs | Is there a way to monitor the syslog so if an event occurs, a script can be executed immediately? |
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| 03:19.58 | davebs | Without writing something to check the log every 30 secs? |
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| 03:23.45 | karmicthreat | So whats a good small debian distro that run in memory? I want to use this on a USB flash drive, and be able to overwrite the drive while the OS is running. |
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| 03:29.15 | nsadmin | so whats been written by miles davis |
| 03:30.51 | somiaj | kryl99: debian's base system is good and small and uses very little memory, though instlling a system on a usb drive is goign to be slow, have you looked into live images? |
| 03:31.00 | somiaj | karmicthreat: ^^ |
| 03:31.02 | somiaj | kryl99: sorry |
| 03:31.43 | nsadmin | oh, oops... anyway, here's the thing... someone here could answer your question if they were familiar with all debian-based dists... I'm not necessarily expecting anyone like that here, and, there could be someone like that |
| 03:32.41 | somiaj | nope it would be off topic, because debian based distros are not debian..so debian would not be in that list, (: |
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| 03:33.29 | Bacta | Hi - what's a negative stat? |
| 03:33.47 | nsadmin | the negation of a positive stat? |
| 03:34.05 | Bacta | I think it has something to do with file system traversal |
| 03:34.17 | nsadmin | perhaps you should start from the beginning :) |
| 03:34.19 | Bacta | But not sure |
| 03:34.33 | nsadmin | what has you ask? |
| 03:34.42 | Bacta | Co-worker banging on about it |
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| 03:34.45 | Bacta | Everyone nods their head |
| 03:34.49 | Bacta | I don't know what it means |
| 03:35.28 | Bacta | And is Ian still with Debbie? |
| 03:35.33 | nsadmin | one way, find someone you trust to ask about that... there's a small chance they're pullin your leg |
| 03:35.53 | karmicthreat | somiaj: Not too worried about boot time. Once it gets loaded into ram it should be plenty fast. I'm using flash drives because of my application. Which needs a small sturdy drive. |
| 03:36.54 | somiaj | karmicthreat: then what you want is a live system |
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| 03:37.08 | nsadmin | Bacta, that's a question for ian and/or debbie |
| 03:37.12 | somiaj | karmicthreat: as opposed to install debian on the usb drive, check out live.debian.net -- there are tools where you can make your own custom live system. |
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| 03:37.42 | karmicthreat | somiaj: Ah, I'll check that out then. |
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| 03:37.48 | Bacta | Is it possible to make love to a socket wrench? |
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| 03:39.36 | nsadmin | you should ask any socket wrench being thrown at you... try #freenode for randomly left-fieldish questions |
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| 03:40.44 | DeM0nFiRe | LtL: There's apparently something wrong with the open source driver for the video card. Perhaps it was updated in testing during the day inbetween my first install and my second install. In any case I installed the proprietary drivers and that appears to have solved the problem |
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| 03:43.44 | somiaj | karmicthreat: there are premade live systems, but if you wanted to you can make your own custom live system with those tools |
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| 03:45.16 | [n0b0dy] | cat /proc/version |
| 03:45.16 | [n0b0dy] | Linux version 2.6.26-2-686 (Debian 2.6.26-26lenny1) (dannf@debian.org) (gcc version 4.1.3 20080704 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.2-25)) #1 SMP Thu Nov 25 01:53:57 UTC 2010 |
| 03:45.36 | [n0b0dy] | is there an upgrade for 4.1? :D |
| 03:45.43 | [n0b0dy] | err uprade path |
| 03:45.52 | [n0b0dy] | or just backup and start again? |
| 03:46.20 | dondelelcaro | [n0b0dy]: that's lenny; you can just upgrade it to squeeze, which is 6.0 |
| 03:46.51 | dondelelcaro | [n0b0dy]: or if you're actually running etch (4.0), you should upgrade first to lenny, then to squeeze. |
| 03:47.49 | [n0b0dy] | the new versions still work good on old 700mhz 500mb machines? |
| 03:48.11 | dondelelcaro | [n0b0dy]: depends what you're doing with them |
| 03:48.22 | [n0b0dy] | lamp sand box mostly |
| 03:48.40 | [n0b0dy] | not a desktop .. |
| 03:48.41 | dondelelcaro | [n0b0dy]: should work fine |
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| 03:49.25 | dondelelcaro | is running squeeze on a 700MHz/256M machine |
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| 03:51.00 | qxt_ | Can anybody recommend a header changer that does this randomly. Something that I can find in the repo for iceweasel |
| 03:51.42 | [n0b0dy] | :D |
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| 03:52.30 | qxt_ | Random in that I can give a big fat list of headers and it randomly picks one every now and then. |
| 03:54.32 | somiaj | headers for what qxt_ ? |
| 03:55.22 | qxt_ | somiaj when I go into my server I can see every little detail about my browser. The version type etc. |
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| 03:55.31 | HFSPLUS | Ext4 is utter crap |
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| 03:55.55 | qxt_ | somiaj Yeah I do with with php but I am far from the only one. |
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| 03:56.03 | somiaj | qxt_: look for plugins/extensions for your browser, and those shoudl just install in your $HOME dir jsut fine. |
| 03:56.15 | dondelelcaro | HFSPLUS: that's great, but that's totally not on topic here. |
| 03:56.36 | HFSPLUS | oh soryr |
| 03:56.40 | HFSPLUS | debian is utter crap |
| 03:56.41 | HFSPLUS | !ops |
| 03:56.41 | dpkg | Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the operators to deal with a specific problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban. |
| 03:56.46 | HFSPLUS | !staff |
| 03:56.46 | dpkg | staff is, like, "/stats p" lists on call staff; failing that, try "staff <text>" here. |
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| 03:57.13 | DeM0nFiRe | Heh |
| 03:57.19 | DeM0nFiRe | For a second I thought you were banning me |
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| 03:58.28 | manganese | Bacta: Could "negative stat" refer to the stat(2) system call returning -1 (error -- check errno for details)? |
| 03:58.41 | somiaj | qxt_: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/search/?q=header&appver=&platform= |
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| 03:58.55 | qxt_ | HFSPLUS then make I humbly say STFU and use a Debian clone like Edbuntu. |
| 03:59.02 | DeM0nFiRe | Is make-kpgk still the right way to compile the kernel "the debian way" ? |
| 03:59.09 | qxt_ | somiaj looking at that. Thx |
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| 03:59.55 | Erik8 | Hello. I have just done a CD install of Debian testing and have access to the first 4 Debian CDs. I have installed gdm3 and network-manager-gnome. However, my network manager icon is different than on my functionally-sound wheezy install elsewhere. |
| 03:59.58 | somiaj | qxt_: but really this is off topic, try #mozilla, you should be able to install those plugins just fine on iceweasle |
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| 04:00.28 | Erik8 | When the NetworkManager "icon" is clicked, it does not even show wireless connection possibilities or show my mobile broadband section. Ergo, as I use a usb modem, I can't access it. |
| 04:00.33 | Erik8 | What should I do? |
| 04:01.06 | somiaj | Erik8: do you have any of your network devices listed in /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 04:01.08 | manganese | Erik8: Make sure you have the same theme on both systems? |
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| 04:01.22 | Erik8 | manganese: I haven't changed any themes. |
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| 04:01.30 | Erik8 | somiaj: I shall check. |
| 04:01.30 | qxt_ | somiaj I only use the plugins that I can find in the repos. As you might know the cert for Mozilla's site was owned once. Sadly I have even see malware plugins. |
| 04:01.38 | Erik8 | somiaj: I believe yes, but I'll make sure. |
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| 04:02.23 | somiaj | Erik8: network manager ignores any device explictly mentioned in that file, and the installer will put the devices is setup during the install there. Comment them out and restart network manager if you want it to control your interfaces |
| 04:03.21 | Erik8 | somiaj: Perhaps I was remembering some other file. /etc/network/interfaces has "auto lo [line break] iface lo inet loopback" |
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| 04:04.07 | Erik8 | somiaj: That is the same as the other computer, so that file must be fine |
| 04:04.10 | somiaj | Erik8: have you installed the firmware for your devices, does your device show up in 'ifconfig -a' |
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| 04:04.55 | LtL | dondelelcaro: HFSPLUS is now in #debian-offtopic |
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| 04:05.56 | DeM0nFiRe | Is make-kpgk still the right way to compile the kernel "the debian way" ? |
| 04:05.59 | Erik8 | somiaj: Does the device have to plugged in? It has been plugged in before but I don't see ti |
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| 04:06.49 | Erik8 | somiaj: The computer that is using the usb modem that is also running wheezy has a section for ppp0 and wlan0 whereas the desktop that isn't working correctly does not |
| 04:06.52 | somiaj | Erik8: yes it has to be pluged in, but I'm just trying to figure out why nm is not seeing your device |
| 04:06.54 | LtL | DeM0nFiRe: years since i compiled a kernel, but I don't recall that make cmd. |
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| 04:07.14 | DeM0nFiRe | There are several ways to do it |
| 04:07.22 | Erik8 | somiaj: Okay. I'll have to disconnect from this computer and from irc to check |
| 04:07.25 | DeM0nFiRe | I am reading http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch08s06.html.en which is clearly a bt dated |
| 04:07.33 | DeM0nFiRe | But I am not sure if it's still applicable or not |
| 04:07.37 | Erik8 | somiaj: I'm unregistered so I will try to comeback as the same nickname |
| 04:07.41 | Erik8 | somiaj: Bye |
| 04:08.16 | [n0b0dy] | dkpg etch->lenny : says i should upgrade by ... apt-get update, upgrade, flip over to the lenny sources.. aptitude install aptitude... apt-get update, upgrde |
| 04:08.21 | [n0b0dy] | am i understanding that right? |
| 04:08.42 | somiaj | DeM0nFiRe: why are you compling a kernel? Anyways, yes that is still the prefered way because you want to make a kernel package to use the power of dpkg to manage. |
| 04:09.00 | DeM0nFiRe | somiaj: kernel doesn't have support for my netbook's ACPI I have to patch |
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| 04:09.22 | somiaj | DeM0nFiRe: do you know what kernel added support? Is it just the 2.6.32 kernel is a bit old? |
| 04:09.36 | DeM0nFiRe | That is why I said the article is dated |
| 04:09.41 | DeM0nFiRe | I am compiling 3.1.8 |
| 04:10.07 | DeM0nFiRe | The bugzilla entry for the bug says that 3.0.0 includes the patch, but this is not actually the case |
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| 04:10.17 | somiaj | DeM0nFiRe: kernel 3.2 is in backports, you could just install that and not have to compile your own. |
| 04:10.24 | DeM0nFiRe | ... |
| 04:10.29 | Erik8_ | somiaj: I'm back but named a bit differently |
| 04:10.32 | DeM0nFiRe | It doesn't have suppert for my netbook's ACPI |
| 04:10.34 | DeM0nFiRe | I have to patch it |
| 04:10.39 | DeM0nFiRe | I just said that |
| 04:10.42 | Erik8_ | somiaj: How can I tell if it detected? |
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| 04:11.29 | somiaj | Erik8_: 'ifconfig -a' the device will show up there if your machine detected it, if it is a wireless device it will be like wlan0, wlan1 etc |
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| 04:11.53 | Erik8_ | somiaj: I do not see anything like wlan0 or ppp0 |
| 04:12.02 | Erik8_ | somiaj: So it doesn't look like it is there |
| 04:12.09 | somiaj | Erik8_: check 'dmesg' -- I bet you have something in there talking about 'missing firmware' |
| 04:12.47 | somiaj | DeM0nFiRe: well that is why I asked if you knew if the patch ever made it into the main line kernel. Because if it made it into 3.2 just saying you can install that on squeeze without making your own. |
| 04:13.00 | somiaj | DeM0nFiRe: but yes make-kpkg is the way to go. (: |
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| 04:13.34 | DeM0nFiRe | It hasn't made it into the kernel :P The bugzilla report says it has, but it has not (I inspected the source file, the fix isn't there. Plus I know ACPI doesn't work :P ) |
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| 04:14.02 | DeM0nFiRe | Thanks |
| 04:14.27 | xSmurf | hey all, where should one mount things within initrd? can I just create /mnt/point? |
| 04:14.39 | Erik8_ | somiaj: I don't see anything about missing firmware whenever I ran dmesg |
| 04:14.53 | somiaj | Erik8_: 'dmesg | grep firware' -- that return anything |
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| 04:14.57 | Erik8_ | somiaj: I also don't see any errors |
| 04:15.04 | Erik8_ | somiaj: I'll have to put it back over there again? |
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| 04:15.29 | nsadmin | !doesn't worj |
| 04:15.32 | nsadmin | !doesn't work |
| 04:15.32 | dpkg | "Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions> and <errors>. |
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| 04:16.16 | Erik8_ | somiaj: It didn't return anything |
| 04:16.22 | somiaj | DeM0nFiRe: you know debian puts a copy of the config file at /boot/config-<ver> so you could use a debian config if you didn't want to make a custom one |
| 04:16.22 | Erik8_ | somiaj: But it isn't plugged in |
| 04:16.27 | Erik8_ | somiaj: Does that make a difference? |
| 04:16.29 | somiaj | Erik8_: it needs to be pluged in of course |
| 04:16.41 | somiaj | Erik8_: yes I want to see why your computer isn't loading a driver for your usb drive |
| 04:16.45 | Erik8_ | somiaj: Okay, I'm sorry ... didn't know |
| 04:16.55 | Erik8_ | somiaj: brb |
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| 04:20.52 | ErikThird | somiaj: I tried it a couple of times, both with "firware" and "firmware" and had no output |
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| 04:21.55 | somiaj | ErikThird: well then there are other issues. When you plug in this usb device it should be detected by your kernel and spit things out to the end of 'dmesg' try to look at teh output and figure out what it knows about your device. Also what kernel are you running 'uname -r' |
| 04:22.34 | ErikThird | somiaj: kernel is 3.1.0-1-amd64 |
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| 04:23.13 | somiaj | well try to figure out why your device isn't beign detected |
| 04:23.22 | DanDare | Hello. Where I can find sendmail logs? (Debian 6) |
| 04:23.30 | somiaj | use 'lsusb' to look at yoru devics info, look it up on debian wiki see what it says about it |
| 04:23.40 | somiaj | DanDare: by default debian uses exim as its MTA, logs are in /var/log |
| 04:23.53 | DanDare | ok somiaj, thanks |
| 04:23.53 | somiaj | DanDare: if you installed sendmail or postfix or someother MTA logs will be related tot he mta you are using |
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| 04:24.31 | ATMinthebigcity | hi |
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| 04:24.37 | ATMinthebigcity | should i replace windows 7 with debian |
| 04:25.12 | ErikThird | somiaj: It seems to know a lot about it. Product, manufacturer, a three line serial number in a format similar to "xffffffab\xffffffbf\", and it shows it as a "Sierra USB modem converter". It seems like it is being detected fine. It gives it a vendor and product id (I think used in ppp). The dmesg looks nearly exactly like the one on the working install. |
| 04:25.55 | somiaj | ATMinthebigcity: that isn't a question for random people on the net. Yes we would like you to use debian and think you should use a 'free' (look up the DFSG) operating system, but we are not you and do not know your needs. |
| 04:26.02 | ATMinthebigcity | ok |
| 04:26.15 | somiaj | ErikThird: look up that info in google or on the debian wiki, you can usually find info to get it working in linux/debian |
| 04:26.56 | DanDare | ATMinthebigcity, ever used any Linux OS ? |
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| 04:27.36 | somiaj | ATMinthebigcity: the sane suggestion is goto live.debian.net and try a few live images (can play around with out ever installing anything) |
| 04:27.36 | ErikThird | somiaj: Look up the vendor, product id, and other properties? |
| 04:27.49 | ATMinthebigcity | ok |
| 04:28.00 | ATMinthebigcity | is it easy to set up drivers |
| 04:28.14 | ATMinthebigcity | i mean, i've used debian before and generally liked it |
| 04:28.17 | somiaj | ATMinthebigcity: if you want to go further, resize your windows partition (to make room to put debian on part of your computer) and install it and set up a dual boot, play around. That way you still ahve windows if you need it |
| 04:28.28 | ErikThird | ATMinthebigcity: Completely depends on your hardware |
| 04:28.38 | ATMinthebigcity | ok |
| 04:28.40 | ATMinthebigcity | thanks |
| 04:28.53 | ErikThird | ATMinthebigcity: But for popular stuff, yes |
| 04:28.59 | somiaj | ATMinthebigcity: yea its all about hardware. Nice thing about linux is almost every driver is a part of the linux kernel, so if the kernel supports your hardware by default no issues. If it doesn't well then it can go from slightly complicated to impossible |
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| 04:29.43 | somiaj | ATMinthebigcity: two issues to worry about with debian. 1) we remove the non-free firmware blobs from the main kernels so they have to beinstalled sepertally -- this is an additional step that isn't enabled by default, this usually effects wireless cards, some network cards and various other hardware |
| 04:30.18 | somiaj | ATMinthebigcity: 2) the stable kernel (be sure to run stable) is a bit old, sometimes you need a newer kernel to support newer hardware, don't worry you can install this newer kernel from backports and still be running a stable system |
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| 04:31.28 | ErikThird | somiaj: I don't think this is a problem with firmware though. I have the 1st cd installed and linux-firmware-nonfree |
| 04:31.36 | ATMinthebigcity | noted, thank you |
| 04:31.43 | ErikThird | somiaj: Does NetworkManager need only network-manager-gnome? |
| 04:31.54 | ErikThird | somiaj: That installed fine off the disc |
| 04:32.03 | ErikThird | somiaj: And the usb modem works fine with squeeze |
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| 04:32.30 | somiaj | ErikThird: the problem is your network card is not loading, else you would see it in 'ifconfig -a' -- since you do not the problem is not with nm |
| 04:32.43 | somiaj | so I was trying to go though why do you not see the network device |
| 04:32.54 | ErikThird | somiaj: By network card, you mean the usb modem? |
| 04:33.37 | somiaj | yes the interface you want to use |
| 04:33.42 | ErikThird | somiaj: And the "wireless" section in the menu of network manager interface doesn't show up simply because my desktop doesn't have any device to access wireless internet |
| 04:33.50 | somiaj | if your kernel doesn't set up the interface network manager cannot manage it for obvious reasons |
| 04:33.51 | ErikThird | somiaj: So that would leave only the network card |
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| 04:33.54 | ErikThird | somiaj: Makes sense |
| 04:34.25 | ErikThird | somiaj: If dmesg looks almost the same, for theoretical purposes I'm assuming it is the same, where might the problem be? |
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| 04:34.53 | somiaj | I doubt it looks the same |
| 04:35.05 | somiaj | again linux tells you what is wrong, look for errors, I'm tired of guessing |
| 04:35.08 | somiaj | playing 20 questions |
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| 04:35.23 | somiaj | dmesg is where the info the kernel knows about your device is printed when you plug it in |
| 04:35.26 | ErikThird | somiaj: I'm sorry for tiring you |
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| 04:35.54 | somiaj | well I went though the two common things, no firmware, kernel to old. After that I don't kow what to suggest with out actual errors |
| 04:35.57 | ErikThird | somiaj: But thanks for the help |
| 04:36.11 | JohnA | When I start my system I network interface (eth0) keeps getting assigned an IPv6 address which appears to be the concatenation of the local prefix and the adepter MAC address. How do I stop this happening as I want to assign the interface a static IPv6 address prefix/48 + 10::10 = d:e:ad:10::10. |
| 04:37.01 | somiaj | JohnA: set up your /etc/network/interfaces correctly to assign it an static ipv6 address. |
| 04:37.22 | Dagger3 | yeah, there's no problem having multiple addresses on the interface |
| 04:37.47 | DanDare | Im trying to configure exim4 doing dpkg-reconfigure. The first screen says "Systems with dynamic IP addresses, including dialup systems, should generally be configured to send outgoing mail to another machine, called a 'smarthost'...". I have a static IP but I want to be able to send e-mails outside localhost. Can I choose "mail sent by smarthost" anyway ? |
| 04:38.25 | dondelelcaro | DanDare: yes |
| 04:38.31 | somiaj | DanDare: sure, it could also depend on your isp (for example I have to use a relay on my isp they blocked prot 25 normally) |
| 04:38.42 | DanDare | I see |
| 04:38.51 | somiaj | DanDare: though most will have better luck modifing the exim config files for more advanced setup as opposed to letting debconf do it. |
| 04:39.12 | DanDare | Ok |
| 04:39.14 | Dagger3 | JohnA: http://strugglers.net/~andy/blog/2011/09/04/linux-ipv6-router-advertisements-and-forwarding/ mentions how to disable SLAAC if you want to anyway |
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| 04:41.19 | JohnA | somiaj: yep my interfaces has two stanzers - iface eth0 inet static / address 74.nn.nn.nn etc and iface eth0 inet6 static / address 2001:470:dead:10::10 |
| 04:41.32 | DanDare | If I set 127.0.0.1 for Exim SMTP listener daemon it wont be able to send e-mails, this is correct ? |
| 04:42.24 | DanDare | Or should I just set my external IP here ? |
| 04:43.20 | JohnA | somiaj: i wind up with two or three IPv6 addresses this gives me a problem as some of the people I deal with filter by address. |
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| 04:44.05 | somiaj | JohnA: I'd check Dagger3's comments my ipv6 knowledge is limiting |
| 04:44.14 | somiaj | or limited, or non existant |
| 04:44.20 | somiaj | well I know ipv6 exists |
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| 04:45.27 | Kull | somiaj: lol |
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| 04:57.14 | Mish- | Any ipmi gurus here? I'm getting a "Cooling/Fan Fault : true" error, but trying to dig any deeper shows everything as fine, is there any way to pinpoint where that errors is coming from? |
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| 04:59.13 | JohnA | somiaj + dagger3: thanks I will look into it. I think that the sysctl is set with forwarding = 1, I am not sure who set it or why. I'll turn it off and see what happens. Thanks |
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| 05:14.28 | DynV | I'm trying to find the current (squeeze) install/binary version of apt-zip and I can'T seem to find it, I tried http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/apt-zip and http://www.google.ca/search?q=apt-zip+filetype%3Adeb in vain Thanks for your help |
| 05:15.27 | CarlyShae | help, i install debian 5.0.9 and as part of setup it asks me to configure a network. i select my wireless card and it asks for the essid so i type in CShae_Home_Net then enter. then it ask for seturity key so a enter s: BlackMob803 and it keeps failing to assign the ip via dhcp |
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| 05:15.48 | somiaj | DynV: http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/apt-zip |
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| 05:16.08 | somiaj | CarlyShae: lenny has reached its EOL why aren't you using squeeze? |
| 05:16.21 | DynV | somiaj: it is the 1st URL I mentioned, all I seem to find on it is the source |
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| 05:16.38 | DynV | perhaps you could point me to the right page section |
| 05:16.38 | CarlyShae | not my call on wheter or not to upgrade, i am just an end user |
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| 05:17.34 | DynV | somiaj: oooh I had to click All |
| 05:17.47 | somiaj | DynV: it is just a few scripts, it isn't that complicated of a package. |
| 05:17.48 | CarlyShae | not to mention that squeeze uns kde 4 and all our its are mor comfortable with kde 3.x.x |
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| 05:18.52 | somiaj | CarlyShae: well as of monday lenny will no longer recive any updates (or support). But really I am unsure why you are having trouble. Start looking for errors to see why it it isn't fecthing. Maybe look at 'iwlist wlan0 scan' -- see if you can even see the network you want to connect to |
| 05:19.52 | CarlyShae | OK ill try that |
| 05:20.29 | DynV | somiaj: will lenny become obsolete because wheezy will become stable monday? |
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| 05:21.24 | somiaj | DynV: no lenny is old stable, it is loose it's bug/seciruty support (though it is still avialible to download/install) |
| 05:21.40 | DynV | :) |
| 05:21.50 | somiaj | DynV: when wheezy stabalizes (i'm thinking next fall) it will become the new stable, squeeze will become old stable and have about 1 year of support from that date |
| 05:22.32 | DynV | ah good, I thought they supported current and last but I see it's 1 year support after becoming old |
| 05:22.43 | Hydroxide | yup. (to be clear, wheezy doesn't have a known release date yet, but next fall is one of several times it could happen. so is next winter or early the year after.) |
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| 05:23.57 | somiaj | once wheezy freezes you know you are getting close (6monts to year away) |
| 05:24.01 | somiaj | and that hasn't happened yet |
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| 05:24.17 | Hydroxide | yeah. the freeze is targeted for june 2012 |
| 05:24.34 | somiaj | DynV: one year or when the new stable is released, though the 1 year date usually wins |
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| 05:39.54 | jenders | hey folks, I'm racking my head over partman recipes in a preseed setup, is there any way to test these recipes quicker than reinstalling? |
| 05:40.09 | jenders | this is what I'm staring at |
| 05:40.10 | jenders | http://pastebin.com/gEiiZD3y |
| 05:40.30 | jenders | I've read partman-auto-recipe.txt many many times |
| 05:40.43 | jenders | this is straight voodoo |
| 05:40.47 | Hydroxide | jenders: simplest way to test is to use a VM kind of thing |
| 05:40.53 | Hydroxide | like qemu or kvm or what have you |
| 05:41.10 | jenders | doh. that makes sense |
| 05:42.12 | Hydroxide | jenders: also you can probably ask some questions on debian-boot@lists.debian.org or in #debian-boot on irc.debian.org (aka OFTC not Freenode), but keep in mind both of those are primarily for developer communication - but with user support as part of their scope too |
| 05:42.20 | Hydroxide | those are regarding the installer specifically |
| 05:42.39 | Hydroxide | #debian here and OFTC are the usual general support channels |
| 05:42.45 | Hydroxide | good luck! preseeding is cool. |
| 05:42.53 | Hydroxide | but that aspect is indeed somewhat black magic |
| 05:43.03 | jenders | cool, thanks for the tips |
| 05:43.10 | Hydroxide | if you figure it out, with or without help, I'm sure the docs can use a patch :) |
| 05:43.13 | Hydroxide | np |
| 05:43.33 | jenders | oh neat, how can i submit patches to the docs? |
| 05:44.03 | Hydroxide | they have some source format and are in some version control repository |
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| 05:44.26 | Hydroxide | so it'd be a normal patch. if you're not sure how to do that, you can start by giving the suggestions in whatever format you know how |
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| 05:45.02 | somiaj | jenders: docs for what? debian docs or for the upstream package? |
| 05:45.15 | Hydroxide | and you can probably send them to the mailing list or the bug tracking system or whatever. debian-boot would be quite happy to tell you how to contribute a doc fix or even a feature fix |
| 05:45.22 | Hydroxide | somiaj: in this case we're referring to the debian installer |
| 05:45.27 | Hydroxide | so it's one and the same |
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| 05:46.17 | jenders | yea, i've been maintaining my own fork of d-i for some features we need in our enterprise |
| 05:46.24 | jenders | somiaj: debian docs |
| 05:46.29 | jenders | i'll look into that |
| 05:46.41 | somiaj | yea so either use the bts or the mailing list. If you see it as an error, I'd file a low priority bug with your patch. |
| 05:46.57 | jenders | k |
| 05:46.58 | somiaj | well if it is more than docs, just features, that is a wish-list bug |
| 05:47.04 | Hydroxide | jenders: in that case, I think the d-i people would love to talk to you and adopt your features upstream. debian may have an opaque reputation due to our lack of a paid full-time marketing team, but we're very open to contributions. I'd say introduce yourself on #debian-boot or via email to the list |
| 05:47.07 | somiaj | but doc corrections are a low priorty bug |
| 05:47.16 | Hydroxide | somiaj: he has features too... |
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| 05:47.48 | jenders | we took our infrastructure from centos to debian last year |
| 05:47.51 | somiaj | I'd still suggest the wishlist bug, worst thing is matainer decides that isn't proper, closes the bug and talks to you directally or just rejects it. |
| 05:47.55 | jenders | that was entertaining |
| 05:48.01 | Hydroxide | jenders: that sounds it, yeah |
| 05:48.08 | [n0b0dy] | on upgrade to squeeze ... the upgrade legacy grub ... gives me a blank command line it pulled from the /etc/default/grub.... is that kosher? |
| 05:48.25 | somiaj | mailing list / contacting the team directally is doable, but as a bug others can see the patches/features and use them if they want. |
| 05:48.31 | Hydroxide | somiaj: I'm more suggesting some ongoing collaboration / contribution relationship |
| 05:48.33 | [n0b0dy] | i've never touched it to do extra stuff... so... i'm assuming blank is default? |
| 05:48.43 | Hydroxide | [n0b0dy]: yup, fine |
| 05:48.48 | [n0b0dy] | cool |
| 05:49.27 | Hydroxide | somiaj: he seems to have spent some time with the code and the features and such, and they can always use new contributors who are motivated enough to maintain a fork without even knowing how to reach the team :) |
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| 05:50.45 | Hydroxide | jenders: several employers ago I set up some preseeding. I think as part of that I contributed the RAID5 support. it was easy - basically take the RAID1 support, change a bunch of 1's to 5's and adjust for the fact that you need at least 3 disks :) |
| 05:50.48 | somiaj | Hydroxide: sure and maybe there is better channels, but to me the bts is kinda the way to track / put him in contact with other people intersted in in that. |
| 05:50.58 | Hydroxide | somiaj: yeah, I'm mentioning better ways |
| 05:51.00 | tigran | my elantech touchpad is being recognized as PS/2 Logitech Wheel Mouse - any ideas? |
| 05:51.16 | Hydroxide | the bts is good for specific contributions |
| 05:51.31 | Hydroxide | this is good for saying "how do I get involved in helping out ongoing in these ways?" |
| 05:52.00 | Hydroxide | or an initial "hey, I have these features that I've been maintaining. what can I do about reducing the size of my fork and getting some of it upstream?" query |
| 05:52.04 | Hydroxide | etc |
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| 05:52.57 | zykotick9 | tigran: have you seen http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC/HowTo/ElantechTouchpad ? |
| 05:56.35 | tigran | zykotick9: this is my xorg.conf file http://pastebin.com/TmAx8hmC |
| 05:56.43 | tigran | it has no affect |
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| 05:57.23 | tigran | doing synclient -l gives "Couldn't find synaptics properties. No synaptics driver loaded?" |
| 05:57.31 | zykotick9 | tigran: sorry, i don't really have any additional information or any experience with Elan touchpads, was seeing if you where aware of the page. Good luck. |
| 05:57.43 | tigran | k |
| 05:58.15 | somiaj | tigran: if you have a blank xorg.conf file it doesn't work? Did you check your /var/log/Xorg.0.log to see why it wasn't auto detecting it correctly? |
| 06:00.20 | tigran | touchpad works, I cant get 2 finger scroll to work because it doesnt recognize it as a touchpad |
| 06:00.36 | tigran | log says Using input driver 'evdev' for 'PS/2 Logitech Wheel Mouse' |
| 06:00.36 | tigran | [ 165.145] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/input/evdev_drv.so |
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| 06:13.03 | tigran | my current kernel version is 2.6.39-2-486 and this bug was supposed to be fixed in 2.6.36. Anyway I updated to 3.x kernel Ill see if that helps |
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| 06:18.59 | aussa | hi, the bash-completion is not working properly.... for example it completes "aptitude" but it does not complete "install" or anything else.... how do I fix that? |
| 06:21.06 | dondelelcaro | aussa: you have bash-completion installed, right? |
| 06:21.35 | dondelelcaro | asakura: are you enabling it in your /etc/bash.bashrc? |
| 06:22.49 | preds_ | has anybody seen ping continue to output after issuing a ^c ? |
| 06:23.05 | preds_ | it's just happened to me the third time on this machine, very weird as it's not in ps ... |
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| 06:23.36 | aussa | dondelelcaro, ok, I discovered I don't have a .bashrc file in my user folder |
| 06:24.21 | aussa | dondelelcaro, should I just copy /etc/bash.bashrc to my user folder...? |
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| 06:24.57 | xSmurf | anyone knows about initramfs and it's hook? I could really use some help trying to use cryptsetup askpass or plymouth ask-for-password but it's not working |
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| 06:25.22 | tigrang | Same issue, recognized as Logitech PS2 mouse |
| 06:26.14 | rypervenche | I have noticed that I am unable to connect to the net when I install Debian without an Internet connection. What can I do after an installation to remedy this? |
| 06:27.37 | dondelelcaro | aussa: no. you can just enable it system wide by uncommenting those lines in /etc/bash.bashrc |
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| 06:27.53 | dondelelcaro | aussa: or you can enable it in your .profile or similar |
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| 06:37.03 | aussa | dondelelcaro, thank you |
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| 07:03.00 | towiak | cannot install skype from repo because it cannot be authenticated. how to handle this? |
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| 07:06.35 | towiak | "apt-get install debian-archive-keyring" gives "debian-archive-keyring is already the newest version." |
| 07:06.45 | snowrichard | hi |
| 07:07.03 | snowrichard | is there a specific channel for the armel port? |
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| 07:07.30 | Mr_Queue | yeah.... |
| 07:07.42 | Mr_Queue | It's debian-arm on oftc I believe |
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| 07:11.17 | streuner_ | !armel |
| 07:11.17 | dpkg | armel is the Debian <ARM> EABI port, first released with <lenny>. http://wiki.debian.org/ArmEabiPort http://www.debian.org/ports/arm/ #debian-arm on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 07:11.52 | osmosis | are there any kernel parameters to automatically zero out any blocks after a file is deleted from it? |
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| 07:13.24 | nkuttler | osmosis: there's tools like srm and shred |
| 07:13.45 | nkuttler | might not be reliable with some filesystems though |
| 07:14.07 | osmosis | nkuttler, im looking for something all encompassing that would cover system files as well, like database files. not manually. Perhaps ext4 has an option to do this? |
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| 07:16.40 | osmosis | shred -z would probably be good for now, thx |
| 07:19.24 | DeM0nFiRe | So uh |
| 07:19.35 | DeM0nFiRe | kernel_package has a bug it's looking for a file in the wrong place :/ |
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| 07:33.09 | seravitae | hi, does anyone know how to get extended charactar support for terminals? such as awn, gnome-terminal, etc. extended charactars are showing up as diamonds with question marks in them. |
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| 08:11.20 | simonlnu | neoice: interfaces; it's meant to load/unload stuff if you have a script already done up to do that stuff |
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| 08:14.43 | oops | I am using GNOME3 classic. It has made the panels black. Can I get back the old silver color? |
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| 08:28.57 | Gm4n | hey all - I'm trying to figure out why mdadm failed my (as far as I can tell) working drive. This is what I get from mdadm --detail/mdstat/syslog: http://paste.debian.net/154954/ Any ideas? |
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| 08:32.09 | seravitae | Gm4n: i dunno but for what its worth, after using mdadm for a while and switching to zfs... i'll never go back. |
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| 08:35.30 | kleanchap | what is imap email? Is it something like web email from Yahoo/Google etc? |
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| 08:36.16 | DeM0nFiRe | Hmm, debian testing has a different version of powerTOP huh? |
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| 08:37.57 | DeM0nFiRe | This one doesn't appear to have the estimated watt usage like the one in squeeze has :o |
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| 08:41.50 | nkuttler | buy an ssd? |
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| 08:42.28 | iluminator101 | nkuttler, thats not an option for me |
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| 08:47.50 | hypnocat | when i do a "wajig update" i get this error: "dselect: no access method is selected/configured" |
| 08:49.21 | hypnocat | where do i do the configuration it's talking about? |
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| 08:57.56 | simonlnu | probably sources.list |
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| 09:03.20 | hypnocat | i don't have one.. nor is there anything in /etc/apt/sources.list.d |
| 09:04.20 | simonlnu | um, why don't you have one? |
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| 09:05.03 | hypnocat | don't know.. but i just realized i may be in the wrong channel.. this is actually an ubuntu machine |
| 09:05.16 | dspider | lol |
| 09:05.16 | hypnocat | maybe on ubuntu it's normal not to have them |
| 09:05.27 | hypnocat | anyway.. i don't know.. i never touched those files or directories |
| 09:05.28 | simonlnu | yeh :). but it's a problem on ubuntu too if you don't have a sources.list file ;) |
| 09:05.53 | hypnocat | hmm |
| 09:05.55 | simonlnu | #ubuntu >> that way |
| 09:06.00 | hypnocat | thanks |
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| 09:06.17 | dspider | hey, is there a way to get a USB drive's UUID on Windows? |
| 09:06.24 | simonlnu | weird, not having a sources.list file |
| 09:06.54 | simonlnu | no idea. this isn't windows support. try in ##windows |
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| 09:08.00 | gnarface | snort |
| 09:08.48 | gnarface | dspider: i was under the impression it doesn't exist when the linux kernel isn't running, so i doubt it, except maybe if you were running linux in some virtual machine |
| 09:09.29 | gnarface | dspider: but it doesn't change unless you change the partition table or something like that so ... you could just mount your windows drive from linux and save the uuid's in a text file or something |
| 09:09.52 | simonlnu | change the fs, like mkfs |
| 09:10.03 | Gm4n | seravitae: why do you like zfs better than mdadm? |
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| 09:14.44 | seravitae | Gm4n: simple, easily portable |
| 09:14.56 | seravitae | features that extend beyond what mdadm does as well |
| 09:15.36 | seravitae | mdadm, as far as i understand, is fairly low-level. hence, say you have a failed drive that needs to be remirrored. mdadm will remirror the whole drive, even 'free space'. |
| 09:15.57 | seravitae | zfs does block level remirroring, so if you only have 10% of the drive capacity used in the set, it will only remirror the in-use blocks, taking 1/10th the time. |
| 09:16.44 | seravitae | also, it finds errors that a standard raid system can't (or doesnt look for) find. |
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| 09:17.38 | oops | GNOME 3 questions. |
| 09:17.45 | oops | To switch from any window to any other window, I need two clicks now: (1) Activities (2) The window I want to switch to. Can this be done in a single click like we could in GNOME classic? |
| 09:17.50 | blubberdi | that's because zfs is a filesystem, while mdadm/md is not |
| 09:17.51 | oops | How can I keep a shortcut of '/usr/bin/urxvt' on the left panel in GNOME3? |
| 09:17.51 | seravitae | it's also easily portable. i recently moved 10 hard drives, consisting of a mirror and a raid6 equivilant array, to a completely new machine. all I did to move the drives over was "zpool export lina1" "zpool export lina2". shut the box down, ripped the drives out, shoved them in the new box, and did 'zpool import lina1' 'zpool import lina2'. |
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| 09:18.26 | seravitae | no issues with drive ordering, 'drive lettering' ie /dev/sd* crud, it 'just works'. |
| 09:18.32 | seravitae | and yes as blubberdi says, it's a filesystem |
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| 09:19.13 | seravitae | also there's features like deduplication (potentially good for email servers, VM image servers), and transparent compression, which i find useful with my fairly repetative datasets. |
| 09:20.04 | seravitae | Gm4n: either way just check out the feature list for zfs, see if it might work for you. |
| 09:20.23 | rgm_42 | seravitae: what implementation of zfs are you using? |
| 09:20.33 | rgm_42 | solaris? |
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| 09:20.37 | seravitae | zfs-fuse (unfortunately, so performance does suffer) |
| 09:20.40 | seravitae | but i am thinking of going solaris now |
| 09:21.01 | seravitae | if i can confirm that zfs-fuse is the performance-diminishing issue. |
| 09:21.41 | rgm_42 | i haven't tried the fuse version of zfs... it works ok (aside from the performance issues)? |
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| 09:21.48 | seravitae | works fine. |
| 09:21.51 | rgm_42 | cool |
| 09:21.56 | seravitae | saved me once already |
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| 09:22.58 | seravitae | only thing i would like with zfs is a better gui or management tool. |
| 09:22.59 | Gm4n | hmm |
| 09:23.21 | Gm4n | cool stuff, although I've had an easy enough time moving my mdadm between machines |
| 09:23.28 | Gm4n | I'll look into this |
| 09:23.47 | seravitae | Gm4n: lots of people, before getting dirty with zfs, will fake some devices using dd i think |
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| 09:24.12 | seravitae | and actually make some zpools and remove files (mounted as drives) to see what happens. |
| 09:25.03 | clone_of_saturn | freebsd has zfs? |
| 09:25.07 | seravitae | Gm4n: for each pool you make, you can also using one command, easily make smb, nfs, shares, set quotas and stuff like that. |
| 09:25.13 | Gm4n | hmm... since zfs is filesystem, LUKS would have to be a lower level/happen first |
| 09:25.26 | seravitae | clone_of_saturn: yea |
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| 09:25.51 | clone_of_saturn | is there any advantage to using solaris? |
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| 09:26.19 | seravitae | can be faster, since zfs on linux is is user-level, whereas on solaris it's kernel |
| 09:26.29 | rgm_42 | seravitae: well if you're considering solaris for zfs.. you might want to look into nexenta which uses the open solaris kernel + the debian user space. |
| 09:26.29 | seravitae | Gm4n: zfs create -o encryption=on tank/mypornstash |
| 09:26.35 | Gm4n | aha :) |
| 09:27.16 | seravitae | rgm_42: interesting, i strayed from the NAS live-cd's per se, because i wanted linux friendly userspace as the box gets used for other things, didnt want t lock it into a NAS appliance. |
| 09:27.18 | seravitae | ill check that out. |
| 09:27.26 | Gm4n | how much does FUSE hurt performance? |
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| 09:28.02 | seravitae | dunno. |
| 09:28.52 | Gm4n | and then there's the question of how I can migrate everything |
| 09:28.56 | Gm4n | hrm |
| 09:29.01 | seravitae | http://downloads.sehe.nl/zfs-fuse/preliminary_bonnie_results.html |
| 09:29.16 | seravitae | Gm4n: depends on your current array type. |
| 09:30.05 | seravitae | zfs allows you to add vdevs to a zpool, so you can expand virtually any type of array, though it requires a little thought if you plan to upgrade later |
| 09:30.27 | Gm4n | nifty :) |
| 09:30.38 | Gm4n | I'll ponder this |
| 09:30.50 | Gm4n | for now, I still want to know why mdadm decided one hd wasn't fit for my array |
| 09:30.56 | seravitae | Oh. |
| 09:30.58 | seravitae | is it a new drive? |
| 09:31.03 | rgm_42 | once btrfs is actually production ready all this zfs+linux issues will kinda go away... |
| 09:31.04 | Gm4n | nope, old drive |
| 09:31.10 | Gm4n | suddenly marked as failed |
| 09:31.16 | Gm4n | but I can't find anything in logs about it |
| 09:31.23 | Gm4n | http://paste.debian.net/154954/ |
| 09:31.31 | seravitae | check the smarts on it. maybe it's used up all of its 'emergency blocks' and the drive size is now reported less |
| 09:32.05 | seravitae | but unknown partition table seems to suggest its a data issue |
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| 09:33.26 | Gm4n | seravitae: http://paste.debian.net/155018/ - where am I looking at emergency blocks? |
| 09:33.44 | Gm4n | Reallocated_Sector_Ct? |
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| 09:37.21 | seravitae | hm |
| 09:37.24 | seravitae | yeah, looks ok |
| 09:37.28 | seravitae | data issue then. |
| 09:37.34 | seravitae | check the partition data |
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| 09:37.49 | seravitae | if it doesnt make any sense, you could detach the drive, completely wipe it, and then reattach and remirror it |
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| 09:40.06 | Gm4n | hmm |
| 09:40.16 | Gm4n | if the drive is going bad, I'm glad to replace it |
| 09:40.29 | Gm4n | I just don't understand the failure reason |
| 09:40.52 | Gm4n | (how do I check the partition data? does that mean looking at the mdadm headers?) |
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| 09:42.01 | rgm_42 | Gm4n: check fdisk for the partition table information. |
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| 09:43.19 | Gm4n | they all appear identical (as per fdisk -l) |
| 09:43.23 | NapHtaKeRoSene | hi |
| 09:43.26 | NapHtaKeRoSene | 1 /boot 512MB : 2 LVM2( : 2 / 8.5GB : 3 swap 0/1GB : 5 /usr 10GB : 6 /var 8GB : 7 /home 2-12GB ) : 3 /tmp tmpfs/ramfs |
| 09:43.33 | wuffi600_ | ho |
| 09:43.37 | NapHtaKeRoSene | do you think this would be cool on a 30GB SSD ? |
| 09:44.31 | wuffi600_ | NapHtaKeRoSene: i would choose a larger / |
| 09:44.48 | Gm4n | alright, calling it a night - thanks seravitae and rgm_42 =) |
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| 09:45.11 | rgm_42 | Gm4n: np, good luck with solving your issues. |
| 09:45.21 | wuffi600_ | NapHtaKeRoSene: the reason: is that zu somethimes you need space to move data around as admin |
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| 09:46.09 | wuffi600_ | NapHtaKeRoSene: 8 GB for var can be a problem... |
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| 09:47.34 | wuffi600_ | ls -l |
| 09:47.37 | NapHtaKeRoSene | wuffi600_<< hm ;/ |
| 09:47.50 | Greyscale | How does one get Sun Java on Wheezy? |
| 09:47.58 | NapHtaKeRoSene | so i'd choose at least a 60GB SSDD ? |
| 09:47.59 | Greyscale | Eclipse crashes far too much using openjdk |
| 09:48.35 | Greyscale | dpkg: java |
| 09:48.35 | dpkg | Java is a cross-platform C++-like OO language. Sun, now Oracle, has released most of its Java implementation under the GPL as <openjdk>. There are other implementations packaged for Debian; for Squeeze and Lenny systems, Sun's JRE/JDK is in <non-free> (for i386, amd64 only). Ask me about <install java>. See also <java alternatives>, <icedtea>, <java ipv6>. http://wiki.debian.org/Java ##java on irc.freenode.net. |
| 09:48.35 | wuffi600_ | NapHtaKeRoSene: maybe there is no need to decide either ssd or hdd. You could choose a combination. |
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| 09:48.42 | NapHtaKeRoSene | wuffi600_<< why would you make larger / ? |
| 09:48.50 | Greyscale | dpkg: install java |
| 09:48.50 | dpkg | For the Java web browser plugin, install either the free icedtea6-plugin (Squeeze) or icedtea-gcjwebplugin (Lenny) package, or the <non-free> sun-java6-plugin package. For other Java programs, you can install the default-jre package to get a Java runtime; use "apt-cache search java-virtual-machine" to see other implementations. The best options are probably openjdk-6-jre or sun-java6-jre (non-free). See also <java alternatives>. |
| 09:49.06 | NapHtaKeRoSene | wuffi600_<< swap and tmp is not on / |
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| 09:49.57 | rgm_42 | Greyscale: do you have 'non-free' enabled in your sources.list? if so just install sun-java6-jre |
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| 09:50.12 | Greyscale | rgm_42: doesn't exist |
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| 09:50.23 | Greyscale | deb http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ wheezy main non-free |
| 09:50.25 | Greyscale | Thats my line |
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| 09:50.54 | Greyscale | pidgin is also missing, it seems O_o |
| 09:51.27 | rgm_42 | hun... looks like the sun java isn't in wheezy.... http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/sun-java6-jre... weird... |
| 09:51.36 | Greyscale | Yes, exactly. |
| 09:51.49 | Greyscale | I installed debian on this yesterday. Thinking about going back to ubuntu again (uhoh) |
| 09:52.07 | Greyscale | I left debian long ago due to the wifi fiasco |
| 09:52.20 | rgm_42 | Greyscale: Why did you choose wheezy over sqeeeze? |
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| 09:52.24 | wuffi600_ | NapHtaKeRoSene: ok, if you do not store to much in /root/ ok |
| 09:53.08 | wuffi600_ | wuffi600_: NapHtaKeRoSene: building from src usually could be done in a subdir of /usr |
| 09:53.17 | oops | In GNOME classic, I could press Ctrl + Alt + R to bring up a Run dialog box. anything similar in GNOME 3 to launch /usr/bin/urxvt directly? |
| 09:53.27 | simonlnu | or ~/ |
| 09:53.45 | oops | what's ~/ ? |
| 09:54.02 | Greyscale | oops: home directory |
| 09:54.05 | simonlnu | heh, that's a new one, gnome classic. ~/ has nothing to do with you oops |
| 09:54.23 | mosno | oops: gnome2 had ALT+F2 for run; gnome3 has it, too |
| 09:54.41 | oops | mosno, worked. thanks a lot. |
| 09:54.59 | simonlnu | i guess they got rid of some extraneous keybindings |
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| 09:55.53 | simonlnu | oops: btw you usually don't have to type in the full path |
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| 09:56.25 | the3 | simonlnu, okay |
| 09:57.32 | simonlnu | that goes for most of not all of those launcher programs |
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| 09:57.49 | NapHtaKeRoSene | wuffi600_<< i was talking about only a system disk, anything not part of the system should go into /mnt/ and be on separate disks. |
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| 09:59.07 | oops | hi |
| 09:59.12 | the3 | hi |
| 09:59.16 | CarlyShae | is webmin and reuired dependencies included on ded 5.0.9 dvds? |
| 09:59.27 | simonlnu | no |
| 09:59.37 | simonlnu | webmin is not in debian at all |
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| 10:00.28 | CarlyShae | what would the tools for to setup a web/mail/ftp in debian 5.0.9 (guis are a must for my endusers) |
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| 10:01.29 | simonlnu | !free whcp |
| 10:01.29 | dpkg | FOSS Web Hosting Control Panels include: <DTC>, <GNUPanel>, <ISPConfig> and <ispCP> Omega. Don't use <Webmin>. http://wiki.debian.org/HostingControlPanels |
| 10:01.59 | simonlnu | you'll want to update to squeeze *very* soon. it's EOL soon |
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| 10:07.50 | CarlyShae | how to get a good control panel that is included in debian 5.0.9 dvds? |
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| 10:08.57 | CarlyShae | anyone got this one? |
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| 10:09.31 | simonlnu | there aren't any in debian, so what you're asking is impossible. |
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| 10:09.53 | simonlnu | oh, dtc is, sorry |
| 10:09.54 | themill | CarlyShae: security support for that release ends tomorrow. You really should be upgrading to squeeze. /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze |
| 10:10.02 | rgm_42 | CarlyShae: plus why are you contrained to debian 5? lenny is depricated... |
| 10:10.37 | simonlnu | ,names dtc* |
| 10:10.38 | judd | Search for dtc* in squeeze/i386: dtc-xen 0.5.13-3; dtc-xen-firewall 0.5.13-3 |
| 10:10.49 | simonlnu | oh, not much =) |
| 10:11.05 | CarlyShae | for my clients, KDE 3.x.x is what they are useed to and what i know how to support |
| 10:11.24 | themill | CarlyShae: it's going to be quite hard for you to support a release that's not receiving security support. |
| 10:11.48 | simonlnu | kde4 doesn' change much in terms of admin anyway |
| 10:11.51 | simonlnu | t |
| 10:12.10 | CarlyShae | true, but they are not going to let me budge on this one unless its KDE 3.x.x |
| 10:12.18 | simonlnu | added grub2 support in 4.7.4 |
| 10:12.40 | simonlnu | maybe look at trinity. it's forward ported kde3 |
| 10:12.59 | themill | CarlyShae: it took mrs themill about 10 minutes to get used to kde 4 in squeeze. Most users won't even know the difference and are just working of crap they read on /. |
| 10:13.05 | simonlnu | still uses qt3, but it's supported. i don't know how live it is still though. |
| 10:13.39 | simonlnu | but, i'd shove them on kde4 personally, and deal with the nonexistent complaints later |
| 10:13.50 | themill | +1 |
| 10:14.07 | simonlnu | "oooh, it got prettier!" :P |
| 10:14.31 | simonlnu | 2 things sucks in kde4 imo, kmail and amarok |
| 10:14.35 | simonlnu | suck* |
| 10:15.53 | CarlyShae | sdad to say they hate the new visual layout of 4 as well as the redone K manu and control center |
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| 10:16.20 | simonlnu | you can restore those to the 3 defaults in less than 5 minutes |
| 10:16.56 | CarlyShae | how? |
| 10:17.21 | simonlnu | right click them, and systemsettings has a prefs button |
| 10:17.56 | CarlyShae | OK, Ill look into it |
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| 10:27.27 | CarlyShae | does anyone know where to obtain free (as in beer) debain training for lenny AND squeeze? |
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| 10:28.02 | emss | CarlyShae http://wiki.debain.org/ the manual pages, the installation information? |
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| 10:34.24 | simonlnu | debian |
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| 10:50.57 | oops | Is there no .desktop file for urxvt? |
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| 11:12.34 | SimeonK | hi, can i use a live cd to install debian to a usb? |
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| 11:12.42 | meberhart | yes |
| 11:13.00 | SimeonK | and can this installation be minimal (without gui, etc)? |
| 11:13.06 | meberhart | you need to download the ultimate linux thumbdrive tool |
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| 11:13.10 | endomafrendo | hio there. I have a bizarre problem with my new debian squeeze 64 bit installation. It is a new mainboard with two eSATA ports (gigabyte 990 fxa ud3). The external hard drives are recognized by the bios, but not by Debian. dmesg does not list any of the externally connected drives. I googled a bit and found this http://nixcraft.com/linux-hardware/15040-esata-arch-linux-not-debian-mint-9-a.html mentioning t |
| 11:13.10 | endomafrendo | he same problem and that the pata_acpi kernel module is missing. A quick modprobe said 'FATAL: Module pata_acpi not found.'. Can it be the source of my problem? Any ideas greatly appreciated and thanks in advance. |
| 11:13.21 | meberhart | it can, yes. |
| 11:13.45 | endomafrendo | meberhart: ok, how can i get this module? |
| 11:14.00 | meberhart | the thumb drive installer? |
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| 11:14.17 | endomafrendo | ah... |
| 11:14.19 | endomafrendo | :-) |
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| 11:14.39 | SimeonK | do i need the thumbdrive installer or can i just use the livecd? |
| 11:15.02 | meberhart | you can just use the live CD, but you can also use that same .iso to install it to a thumb drive. |
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| 11:15.22 | SimeonK | ok, thx |
| 11:15.36 | meberhart | i'm installing Debian right now also |
| 11:15.51 | meberhart | making a file/web/samba server :) |
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| 11:17.29 | bzed | endomafrendo: if you have an installation already, it is not a question of using a different installer to make it work |
| 11:17.38 | bzed | endomafrendo: it will actually not make a difference |
| 11:17.45 | SimeonK | one last thing: can i make a liveusb to install a full system on the very same usb?? |
| 11:18.06 | meberhart | yes |
| 11:18.22 | SimeonK | :) |
| 11:18.25 | endomafrendo | bzed: thanks, but my question was about an eSATA drive not getting recognized. |
| 11:18.32 | meberhart | well, depends on the distro. you can with Debian. |
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| 11:22.28 | meberhart | has anyone here used SSL/TLS with Vsftpd? |
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| 11:23.27 | lampe2 | hey i got a apache2 question i got a server with mutiple domains. and they all got the same mail server. now i wanne redirect all domians with mail.everydomian.com to the same location can i just do a VirtualHost mail.*:80 ? |
| 11:23.55 | meberhart | i THINK so... |
| 11:24.10 | boudiccas | i've just tried to play an avi file in squeeze and got this message .....'VLC failed to iniitate your sound output device. Update alsa-lib to version 1.023.2-g8d80d5f or higher to try to fix this issue' where can i find this alsa-lib file please? |
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| 11:25.29 | gnarface | boudiccas: alsa-base, perhaps? |
| 11:25.40 | boudiccas | k, thanks |
| 11:25.40 | jelly-home | ,versions libasound2 |
| 11:25.42 | judd | Package: libasound2 on i386 -- lenny: 1.0.16-2; lenny-backports: 1.0.23-2.1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 1.0.23-2.1; sid: 1.0.24.1-4; wheezy: 1.0.24.1-4; experimental: 1.0.25-1 |
| 11:26.04 | jelly-home | boudiccas: where did you get that vlc from? |
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| 11:26.21 | boudiccas | jelly; possibly multimedia |
| 11:26.42 | jelly-home | possibly it's broken or not the right build for your OS |
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| 11:27.16 | boudiccas | k, i can try to remove it and then reinstall it and try again |
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| 11:27.23 | bencc | I'm using a command that output to a file: "pdf2svg input.pdf output.svg" how can I output to stdout instead? |
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| 11:27.40 | jelly-home | boudiccas: that by itself is not likely to help |
| 11:28.36 | boudiccas | jelly; how can i fix it then please? |
| 11:29.37 | jelly-home | boudiccas: verify which package you have and which repo it comes from. Then fix the repo configuration to pick packages for squeeze, or disable the d-m repo completely and use vlc from Debian |
| 11:30.05 | jelly-home | ,versions vlc |
| 11:30.06 | judd | Package: vlc on i386 -- lenny: 0.8.6.h-4+lenny3; lenny-security: 0.8.6.h-4+lenny3; squeeze: 1.1.3-1squeeze6; squeeze-security: 1.1.3-1squeeze6; sid: 1.1.13-1; wheezy: 1.1.13-1; sid-multimedia: 1:1.1.13-0.0; wheezy-multimedia: 1:1.1.13-0.0 |
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| 11:30.23 | valdyn | bencc: try pdf2svg input.pdf /dev/stdout |
| 11:30.33 | boudiccas | jelly; i know that i dont have any other repo except for multimedia, so i'll just disable than and hten try the stock debian repo one |
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| 11:30.55 | jelly-home | boudiccas: d-m has repos for various Debian releases. |
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| 11:31.12 | bencc | valdyn: cool it works. will it work if I'll call this command from python too? |
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| 11:35.39 | boudiccas | jelly; solved! this dumb blonde had a film that she was watching partway through, and that had grabbed the sound card. closed that film and restarted the desired avi and sound was there! doh! |
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| 11:37.04 | tensorpudding | grabbed the sound card? that still happens? |
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| 11:54.15 | fasta | I run lsof, but it doesn't return an answer. Why can that possibly happen? |
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| 11:55.44 | fasta | Some other program said that the number of open files was already at maximum, which might 'explain' this. |
| 11:56.03 | fasta | But still it seems to be a bug the size of Mt. Everest that this doesn't work. |
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| 11:59.07 | fasta | Ok, I see the problem: it makes assumptions about NFS. |
| 11:59.34 | fasta | I can only say this is an extremely retarded way of writing this program. |
| 12:00.17 | fasta | It could... first display everything on file systems which are available and then show a message "We are waiting for this NFS mount to come online..." |
| 12:01.56 | fasta | It even lists bugs in its manpage. Quite shocking for such an old tool. |
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| 12:07.01 | Iridos | are you talking about the gtk file dialogs? |
| 12:07.55 | fasta | Iridos: no, I am talking about lsof. |
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| 12:08.42 | Iridos | then perhaps you're complaining about a kernel-call, really |
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| 12:09.19 | Iridos | same happens with stale sshfs, which probably happens more often |
| 12:09.22 | fasta | Iridos: if I were Joe Sixpack, I would say "IT DOESN'T WORK". I think I nailed the problem fairly closely already. |
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| 12:09.48 | Iridos | same of course also happens with broken disks... where it's probably very useful to notice that something's wrong :) |
| 12:10.06 | fasta | Iridos: hanging is never a solution. |
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| 12:10.13 | Bartzy | Hi |
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| 12:10.20 | Bartzy | What's the best place to put some daemons I created ? |
| 12:10.26 | Bartzy | These are PHP daemons. |
| 12:10.30 | fasta | Iridos: if usually it takes a few ms to contact a server, if it takes more than a minute, it is _definitely_ broken. |
| 12:10.32 | Iridos | well, I agree that it's annoying behavior if it's just stale network drives |
| 12:10.36 | fasta | Bartzy: in the trash. |
| 12:11.03 | Iridos | not polite |
| 12:11.03 | Bartzy | ........... |
| 12:11.19 | Bartzy | These are _WHATEVER_ daemons. |
| 12:11.23 | fasta | Iridos: is there anything that can be done about it? |
| 12:11.56 | fasta | Bartzy: are you creating Debian packages? |
| 12:11.58 | Iridos | Bartzy, /usr/local would be free for any software outside the packaging system... |
| 12:12.31 | Bartzy | Iridos: So just create a directory of my own there? Why not /usr/ or /var/ ? |
| 12:12.34 | Bartzy | fasta: No. |
| 12:12.52 | Iridos | yeah... if you make a package, just put them wherever FSH says... all other packages do as well |
| 12:13.07 | fasta | Bartzy: you can place it anywhere if you want. |
| 12:13.18 | fasta | Bartzy: it is just that some people will hate you for not following standards. |
| 12:13.19 | Bartzy | I know. What's the correct place. |
| 12:13.27 | fasta | Bartzy: he just said. |
| 12:13.32 | Bartzy | Right. So the standard is /usr/local/ ? |
| 12:13.37 | fasta | Bartzy: FSH |
| 12:13.39 | Iridos | Bartzy, well, you don't want to mix non-packaged files into packaged ones... the packages can remove the files in them, but who'll remember all those other files and what they belong to if you just mix them in |
| 12:13.42 | fasta | Bartzy: google it and grow up. |
| 12:13.57 | Iridos | fasta, he's 72, so bit late to grow up |
| 12:14.11 | fasta | Iridos: perhaps his next life then? |
| 12:14.32 | skilz | Hey I bought some Philips DVD-R's today and when I stick them in my dvd it doesnt detect the blank disk |
| 12:14.39 | Iridos | I was just trying to point out no need to be rude... if you don't like the question just say nothing |
| 12:14.40 | fasta | Iridos: so, do you have any solution for my problem? |
| 12:14.55 | skilz | Is there anything I can do about it? |
| 12:15.11 | fasta | skilz: AHCI/IDE? |
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| 12:15.29 | skilz | fasta, IBM Thinkpad |
| 12:15.32 | skilz | G40 |
| 12:15.37 | fasta | skilz: if those don't mean anything to you, go to ##hardware. |
| 12:15.50 | fasta | skilz: ok, you have no idea what you are talking about. |
| 12:15.51 | skilz | IDE I think |
| 12:16.24 | skilz | THe drive just makes a clicking sound for a while then stops |
| 12:16.39 | fasta | skilz: does dmesg say anything? |
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| 12:18.22 | skilz | fasta, nope |
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| 12:19.03 | Iridos | fasta, well... at the moment, get rid of your stale nfs mount... I haven't used NFS for a long time now... for sshfs file systems the solution was to change some options in the fuse driver and/or ssh that speedily disconnect the stale mount when it's not available anymore... dunno if NFS has similar options |
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| 12:19.35 | fasta | Iridos: well, I would like lsof to have that piece of logic integrated. |
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| 12:19.51 | fasta | Iridos: if I have to think about details like that for every single command I execute, I go crazy. |
| 12:20.14 | fasta | Iridos: things like this have led me to believe that UNIX is fundamentally broken. |
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| 12:20.49 | Iridos | you didn#t read what I say: make sure that stale drives get dropped quickly and you won't have the problem again, as you remove the source instead of suppressing the symptom |
| 12:20.52 | fasta | The 'file' abstraction is just not the kind of abstraction that most people want. |
| 12:21.00 | fasta | Iridos: and how would I do that? |
| 12:21.17 | fasta | Iridos: I can write a polling script, which would suck a lot. |
| 12:21.26 | fasta | Iridos: this is stuff that the kernel should do. |
| 12:21.46 | fasta | Perhaps it can, but I am not the only person on the planet that had this problem. |
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| 12:25.41 | fasta | Iridos: naturally, this problems exists for over 7 years. |
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| 12:27.10 | LiquidOrion | Hello. Installed and getting this error - http://xrl.us/page341 - can anyone help me ?? |
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| 12:31.21 | Iridos | skilz, probably not much to do on the software side... perhaps try a different disk :D ... dunno, the lasers of all those drives tend to unfocus after some time, but usually that results in reading problems |
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| 12:34.04 | Cybertinus | When I have a specific question about a package, it is OK for me to e-mail the maintainer directly, right? |
| 12:34.36 | Cybertinus | My question is: why does the default Quassel-core package in Debian don't support the PostgreSQL backend by default?/ |
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| 12:40.16 | daemonkeeper | Cybertinus: It's feasible to file a wishlist bug. |
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| 12:40.51 | Cybertinus | ok, could do that too, yes |
| 12:40.54 | Iridos | Cybertinus, I'd first look at the output of aptitude changelog (but there's nothing in there in that case) |
| 12:41.47 | Iridos | Cybertinus, then look at http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?archive=both;package=quassel-core |
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| 12:41.58 | Iridos | err, I mean aptitude changelog quassel-core |
| 12:42.12 | Iridos | and then file a wishlist bug as daemonkeeper suggested |
| 12:42.37 | Iridos | Cybertinus, ---> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=552374 |
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| 12:44.07 | Cybertinus | Iridos: ah, that last bugreport is the anwser to my question, it seams |
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| 12:45.34 | Iridos | Cybertinus, the link before just told you how to find one the next time yourself :) |
| 12:45.55 | Iridos | take care to also look at archived bugs sometimes |
| 12:46.17 | Cybertinus | yeah, there could be info in older bugs too |
| 12:47.24 | Cybertinus | but in that case I just keep using my own quassel-core, I compiled myself |
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| 12:49.43 | daemonkeeper | Cybertinus: Times change, you can just reply to the bug ... |
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| 12:54.22 | shaullx | hi |
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| 12:58.12 | ratatata | nu |
| 12:58.33 | Lion_ | svx |
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| 13:06.45 | ratatata | svx Lion_ ka tu |
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| 13:07.37 | ghostlines | jailkit is requiring me to have the libnsl.so.1 lib installed but the libc6 package doesn't install this like it 'should' running debian wheezy. How can I address this? |
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| 13:09.50 | themill | ghostlines: that library is part of libc6 in wheezy; where's jailkit from? |
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| 13:10.17 | Lion_ | ratatata, nk o tu is kokio miesto ? |
| 13:10.30 | ratatata | kns |
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| 13:11.34 | themill | Lion_, ratatata: English here, please. This is a support channel not a social gathering. |
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| 13:12.20 | ghostlines | themill, I downloaded jailkit from source at http://olivier.sessink.nl/jailkit/ |
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| 13:13.21 | ratatata | themill, american englis or english english ? |
| 13:13.44 | ghostlines | themill, but when I go in the lib folders on my machine I don't see the libnsl or lilbnss libs installed either after installing libc6 and libc6-dev |
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| 13:14.04 | shevy | I kind of removed "ldd" binary. Is there some way to download it again? |
| 13:14.20 | themill | ghostlines: "dpkg -L libc6" might be instructive. This thing should be looking at ldd to work out where to find the libraries. |
| 13:14.34 | nkuttler | shevy: reinstall the package? |
| 13:14.44 | themill | shevy: "kind of removed"? |
| 13:15.06 | shevy | nkuttler it would purge some other things if I would do. I'd just need the ldd binary |
| 13:15.32 | themill | shevy: what have you been doing and what are you trying to do? |
| 13:15.36 | nkuttler | shevy: why would installing it purge other packages? which command are you using? |
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| 13:16.06 | shevy | themill: I removed "ldd" |
| 13:16.24 | themill | shevy: feel free to be more verbose so we have some hope of helping you |
| 13:16.42 | shevy | I described what I did. What I need is a way to install "ldd" only. |
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| 13:16.53 | nkuttler | or answer the questions you get |
| 13:17.09 | ghostlines | themill, badass! the libs are listed somewhere else but jailkit is looking in the wrong place!, many thanks! |
| 13:17.10 | shevy | I gave you all the information you need. I need to find out how I could locate the "ldd" binary alone. |
| 13:17.21 | shevy | If you can't answer that then this is ok. |
| 13:17.47 | themill | shevy: we told you how to fix it; you don't like the answer because there are evidently other things wrong. |
| 13:17.49 | nkuttler | shevy: there are several ways to fix this... if you don't answer questions we can just guess what oyu need |
| 13:18.00 | sylar | udev --daemon is taking a lot of cpu% |
| 13:18.02 | shevy | themill: What was the way to fix it? |
| 13:18.12 | themill | shevy: [13:14] <nkuttler> shevy: reinstall the package? |
| 13:18.20 | shevy | what package - I did not remove any package! |
| 13:18.30 | nkuttler | < nkuttler> shevy: why would installing it purge other packages? which command are you using? |
| 13:18.31 | Iridos | ldd is part of a package |
| 13:18.41 | shevy | Yes. And the rest of the package is fine. |
| 13:18.42 | themill | shevy: then how about asking that question rather than telling us that you can't do that because it would purge other things. |
| 13:18.50 | nkuttler | shevy: it obviously is *not* |
| 13:19.02 | nkuttler | oh well the rest but that's not why you are here... |
| 13:19.03 | shevy | Ok then how do I "reinstall the package"? |
| 13:19.16 | nkuttler | you said you already tried that. how? |
| 13:19.20 | themill | shevy: which version of debian is this? |
| 13:19.21 | Iridos | shevy, the answer is: to get the ldd binary back, reinstall the whole libc-bin package with apt-get install ldd --reinstall |
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| 13:19.38 | shevy | ah |
| 13:19.39 | themill | Iridos: almost... |
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| 13:19.50 | Iridos | themill, you'll want aptitude |
| 13:19.52 | nkuttler | and not necessarily what he needs either |
| 13:19.56 | themill | shevy: which version of debian is this? |
| 13:20.00 | themill | Iridos: there's no "ldd" package |
| 13:20.05 | nkuttler | as this purge thing sounds like a mess of releases |
| 13:20.08 | shevy | themill: it's actually a knoppix hdinstall |
| 13:20.11 | nkuttler | haha |
| 13:20.16 | sylar | how to stop update notifier? |
| 13:20.21 | sylar | for all users |
| 13:20.22 | sylar | ? |
| 13:20.26 | nkuttler | !tell shevy about knoppix |
| 13:20.44 | themill | shevy: then I have no idea what package ldd is in there. You should use "dpkg -S" to find that out and then seek support from the knoppix people |
| 13:20.55 | Iridos | themill, oops... freudian typo... I said libc-bin before |
| 13:21.11 | Iridos | shevy, err, obviously apt-get install libc-bin --reinstall |
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| 13:21.25 | nkuttler | obviously #knoppix |
| 13:21.32 | themill | Iridos: yeah, I know. This also varies between debian releases though, so that's not necessarily the right package name |
| 13:21.45 | themill | ,file bin/ldd --release lenny |
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| 13:21.49 | judd | Search for bin/ldd in lenny/i386: libc6: usr/bin/ldd |
| 13:21.55 | Iridos | hm, indeed |
| 13:22.09 | themill | (it was split to help with multiarch) |
| 13:22.15 | Iridos | judd, file bin/ldd --release wheezy |
| 13:22.20 | judd | Search for bin/ldd in wheezy/i386: libc-bin: usr/bin/ldd |
| 13:22.37 | Iridos | well, at least didn't change again... yet |
| 13:22.49 | themill | sylar: you can remove the package |
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| 13:26.59 | sylar | themill: which package is it? uptdate-notifier? |
| 13:27.03 | Iridos | I used pm-suspend-hybrid to suspend the system and tonight a fuse blew and the machine was switched off |
| 13:27.48 | Iridos | on reboot the kernel was "cleaning a stale resume image" and then just booting normally, not resuming from hibernate |
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| 13:31.43 | sylar | something very strange is happening, the system is about 70% load on 4 cores, with lots of background processes running at about 4% cpu. things like gvfs-gdu-volume-monitor, gdu-notification-monitor |
| 13:32.50 | skilz | How can I change my contrast rate on my laptop screen? |
| 13:33.10 | themill | sylar: that package should be sufficient, yes. There are client packages too, but getting rid of the daemon will get rid of the clients |
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| 13:40.22 | sylar | themill: I removed update-manager too (saw that a |
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| 13:40.53 | sylar | themill: advice in some formum). Do I need update-manager ? should I get it back |
| 13:40.54 | sylar | ? |
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| 13:42.35 | sylar | going to reboot |
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| 13:43.03 | sylar | I dont know what is wrong with all the gvs-... gdu-... |
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| 13:46.41 | Iridos | he seemed a bit confused |
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| 13:47.43 | Iridos | and too many 5-letter nicks starting with an "s", that's confusing ME |
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| 13:48.31 | hyppias | trying to log into my samba server from Win7. Can I do that with only an account on the debian machine? eg. root or must there be some connection between teh windows user and the linux user? |
| 13:48.42 | shevy | Iridos haha :D |
| 13:48.54 | abrotman | hyppias: which version of Samba? |
| 13:49.07 | hyppias | the one in debian 6.0.4 |
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| 13:49.57 | abrotman | hyppias: i know with older versions (not sure about squeeze), there may be some registry entries to change |
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| 13:51.17 | dr_traktor | Hey. Ive been using Debian for server purposes for some time now. Do you think Ubuntu excels in desktop usage? Should I try Ubuntu or stick to Debian on the desktop as well? |
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| 13:51.48 | hyppias | I can see the samba server in win7, and there is a logon screen, but it refuses me as user. |
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| 13:52.13 | mosno | dr_traktor: you're asking that in #debian and expecting a non-biased answer? |
| 13:53.12 | dr_traktor | mosno, no such thing as non-biased answer. |
| 13:53.21 | pinkus | is there much difference in lxde vs. xfce in terms of resource usage? |
| 13:53.40 | dr_traktor | mosno, but if someone say here that hey, ubuntu is better as a desktop system, I will know that it's probably true. |
| 13:53.53 | nkuttler | dr_traktor: ubuntu is better as a desktop system |
| 13:53.55 | shevy | dr_traktor: ubuntu is better as a desktop system |
| 13:53.57 | nkuttler | hehe |
| 13:54.00 | mosno | grins |
| 13:54.05 | dr_traktor | That settles it then :) |
| 13:54.30 | nkuttler | way lying |
| 13:54.41 | Iridos | liar, liar, pants on fire |
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| 13:55.11 | nkuttler | dr_traktor: i am a very satisfied debian user and run it on all my systems |
| 13:55.14 | pinkus | ubuntu is great f you wanna have to click 5 times to open a terminal window |
| 13:55.27 | shevy | lol |
| 13:55.34 | nkuttler | what's a terminal!? |
| 13:55.48 | pinkus | its what happens when you are close to death |
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| 13:55.58 | Iridos | dr_traktor, as always, it depends on what you want. Debian stable release cycles are 2-3 years, which means that at the end of one cycle, some of the software is considered pretty old... On the other hand it means very little maintenance for 2-3 years |
| 13:56.12 | dr_traktor | pinkus, hard to believe you can't set up shortcuts on ubuntu. |
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| 13:56.24 | abrotman | this channel is for Debian support |
| 13:56.34 | dr_traktor | okay, i won't push this topic anymore |
| 13:56.41 | pinkus | you can set them up, but the unity panel requires you to right-click to open a "new" window |
| 13:56.58 | dr_traktor | pinkus, whoa... |
| 13:57.02 | pinkus | one reason i switched to debian actually |
| 13:57.54 | Iridos | dr_traktor, I dunno... I usually try to run stable for convenience... if there's really something I feel must have from testing that I cannot backport (/msg dpkg backports for that), I can switch to testing before the next release |
| 13:58.10 | sylar | I am back |
| 13:58.20 | abrotman | !congratulate sylar |
| 13:58.20 | dpkg | Huzzah sylar, you did it! |
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| 13:59.33 | dr_traktor | Iridos, pinkus I don't like to mindlessly upgrade things that work. I'll consider it. Thanks for the input. |
| 13:59.36 | sylar | my system was up for 67 days |
| 13:59.37 | sylar | lenny made it much longer without a reboot ... |
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| 14:01.54 | themill | sylar: there are kernel updates that require reboots on a regular basis. There's no escaping that. |
| 14:02.32 | sylar | themill: my reboot was due to stuch gvf-.. gdu-.. processes |
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| 14:06.27 | lapsusbrutus | hi guys, want to check on 0ad again, anyone knows how to install on debian from apt? |
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| 14:10.43 | engla | lapsusbrutus: it's not in debian so you can't |
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| 14:12.24 | lapsusbrutus | engla: ok, thanks |
| 14:13.39 | engla | but you can compile it |
| 14:14.58 | Iridos | well... there's an ubuntu-ppa for it.... might be possible to use that if you know what you're doing |
| 14:15.23 | Iridos | might also be possible to use it if you don#t know what you're doing and then break your system later on |
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| 14:17.19 | hyppias | what is the difference between a normal Lunix user and a samba user? |
| 14:17.30 | hyppias | Lunix=linux |
| 14:17.40 | pinkus | what is the difference? |
| 14:18.18 | lapsusbrutus | decided to compile, to stay away from trouble and not having to worry :) ahh remeber the days when it was updated automagicly from apt.. ahh that was nice |
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| 14:18.48 | engla | see the comment on ubuntu ppas, apparently there are those |
| 14:19.20 | abrotman | hyppias: samba can have a different list of users .. did you look at the registry settings yet? |
| 14:19.21 | lapsusbrutus | hyppias: hmm both are linux users, but only one of them know it? |
| 14:19.35 | engla | I have 0ad here too but I don't know much about it |
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| 14:22.42 | hyppias | abrotman: where in win7 registry must I look then? |
| 14:23.21 | abrotman | hyppias: i can't recall .. but google should be able to help you .. I had to make one change in secpol, and then two registry changes IIRC |
| 14:24.17 | abrotman | hyppias: http://www.enterprisenetworkingplanet.com/windows/article.php/3849061/Use-Samba-With-Windows-7-Clients.htm .. i think i didn't make the last two changes and it still worked |
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| 14:31.21 | hyppias | abrotman: ah, I had to make a samba user, besides a linux user: smbpasswd -a hyppias |
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| 14:37.48 | abrotman | hyppias: depends on your setup, but possibly that as well .. my setup didn't require that |
| 14:39.03 | shaullx | how would i allow tcp6 ports to be open using iptables? |
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| 14:39.30 | abrotman | did you do something to 'close' them? |
| 14:39.47 | abrotman | is there anything even listening on the port? |
| 14:39.52 | shaullx | i set the default on all incoming to drop |
| 14:39.56 | shaullx | yes |
| 14:40.04 | shaullx | i need to open a few tcp6 ports |
| 14:40.28 | abrotman | add iptables rules that set teh destination port/ip to your ipv6 stuff ? |
| 14:40.46 | abrotman | or set it to accept for all connections on thta port |
| 14:42.01 | shaullx | i have added a rule to allow all if the protocol is IPv6 |
| 14:42.04 | shaullx | that's tcp6 right? |
| 14:42.07 | shaullx | still blocking though |
| 14:43.00 | abrotman | what was the actual line you used? |
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| 14:43.28 | shaullx | fixed it by allowing all localhost connections |
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| 14:44.21 | abrotman | okay then .. |
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| 15:00.35 | astralbloke9 | debian is like the best thing since sliced bread |
| 15:01.15 | jaakkos | yes |
| 15:02.41 | shaullx | hm i have allowed the ftp port in the iptables, yet i timeout trying to connect it, ideas? :3 |
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| 15:07.11 | Iridos | astralbloke9, I always had some doubt about sliced bread, tough. Mold gets in a lot faster, or it dries out quicker |
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| 15:13.03 | astralbloke9 | i have a question |
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| 15:13.39 | Iridos | me, too |
| 15:14.08 | astralbloke9 | anyone else have trouble with debian resuming from suspend? |
| 15:14.17 | astralbloke9 | mine takes some 30 seconds to resume |
| 15:14.40 | Iridos | suspend to ram? |
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| 15:15.30 | themill | SoUkSoU: please configure your irc client to (a) pause between joining channels and (b) not /who the entire channel when it joins. That will save you from being disconnected like that. |
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| 15:17.41 | dvs | astralbloke9: mt resume is broken entirely at the moment |
| 15:17.49 | dvs | s/mt/my/ |
| 15:17.59 | astralbloke9 | not sure |
| 15:18.11 | dvs | i'm sure |
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| 15:18.19 | dvs | ;-) |
| 15:18.20 | astralbloke9 | it's just the default behavior after leaving the comp idle for a few hrs |
| 15:18.24 | daveo | no u |
| 15:18.37 | astralbloke9 | no it will be fixed with a future update? |
| 15:18.40 | astralbloke9 | so |
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| 15:25.23 | manhunter | hi, http://www.webfaction.com/services/hosting , 100GB disk space and unlimited database, what does that mean? what will the highest size of the database? 100GB? what's the difference between disk space and database size/space? |
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| 15:26.59 | dvs | manhunter: A database can be set to be a certain size. |
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| 15:27.27 | AzP | Any tips on how to debug an init script? I'm writing one for a script I've done so it's startable/stoppable using /etc/init.d/ services, but the script just says "start-stop-daemon: not found" right now. I've started from an existing script to develop from that (using case: for start/stop/reload etc), but I'm having troubles turning on VERBOSE for debugging. |
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| 15:27.53 | AzP | Or I should say I'm writing one for a program I've made. It's clearer like that =) |
| 15:28.30 | nkuttler | AzP: set -x? |
| 15:28.37 | nkuttler | probably just the wrong PATH |
| 15:29.21 | tremon | btw there is also /etc/init.d/skeleton... |
| 15:29.34 | astralbloke9 | is there a bash command to open a file such as .pdf? |
| 15:29.47 | dvs | okular? |
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| 15:30.52 | manhunter | dvsâš¡ that website says, 'unlimited database' |
| 15:31.00 | nkuttler | astralbloke9: plenty |
| 15:31.00 | engla | astralbloke9: xdg-open |
| 15:31.06 | nkuttler | manhunter: ask their support what it means |
| 15:31.10 | AzP | This is my current script. The idea is to copy the program rsstorrent to /usr/bin/, but I guess that's simple to understand, hehe. https://github.com/AzP/rsstorrent/blob/master/rsstorrent-debian |
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| 15:31.22 | joselml | wenas |
| 15:31.28 | joselml | ? |
| 15:31.55 | AzP | nkuttler, I think I've already done that |
| 15:32.00 | AzP | It's the same as chmod +x right? |
| 15:32.09 | nkuttler | AzP: not at all |
| 15:32.12 | astralbloke9 | xdg-open, then pathname? |
| 15:32.13 | AzP | no? aha |
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| 15:32.54 | nkuttler | AzP: help set |
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| 15:33.15 | nkuttler | AzP: though like i said your error is clear and fix your path |
| 15:33.20 | astralbloke9 | xdg-open, then pathname? engla |
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| 15:34.13 | AzP | Ok thanks, I'll check it more thoroughly. It doesn't feel very clear though, the line it's pointing to is the last line of the file, and there's no other debug info. |
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| 15:35.24 | astralbloke9 | oh ok it worked |
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| 15:36.34 | ziyourenxiang | i run apt-get upgrade and it is failing on nfs-common. i think it is because i uninstalled portmap. how do i skip this part about nfs-common? |
| 15:37.19 | engla | astralbloke9: xdg-open will pick the user's preferred application for that mimetype. using the freedesktop/.desktop file stuff |
| 15:37.39 | oops | why did Debian Testing move on to GNOME 3? Why didn't they keep the default desktop at GNOME 2 itself? |
| 15:37.52 | tremon | ziyourenxiang: how did you uninstall portmap? |
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| 15:38.12 | dvs | oops gnome 2 is no longer being maintained |
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| 15:38.24 | oops | so everyone has to move to gnome 3 now? |
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| 15:38.42 | ziyourenxiang | tremon: update-rc.d portmap remove |
| 15:38.44 | nkuttler | every gnome user at most |
| 15:38.47 | dvs | oops: or risk no more updates |
| 15:38.53 | oops | will they make changes to gnome 3 to improve productivity? I can't keep a shortcut of software I frequently use at a place that is always visible to me. |
| 15:39.32 | oops | also, when I am working on one window, I can't see which other windows are open and if any activity is happening there. |
| 15:39.33 | tremon | ziyourenxiang: that shouldn't break anything, but you can still manually start portmap to see if it fixes the issue |
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| 15:39.35 | dvs | heh not likely |
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| 15:43.05 | oops | for the first time i have installed gconf-editor so that I can enable the minimize, maximize buttons |
| 15:43.27 | ziyourenxiang | tremon: thanks. |
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| 15:44.10 | THE_GFR|WORK | hey everyone, when I access cups, it cannot find any printers it spins the pinwheel partially and never finds anything, I'm running debian 64-bit squeeze ideas? |
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| 15:45.43 | AzP | OH GOD! wtf. My error was so horrible I can't even begin to tell you. |
| 15:46.09 | AzP | You are right, it was clear. I interpreted it as output from start-stop-daemon, not that "start-stop-daemon" wasn't found. |
| 15:46.21 | AzP | Painful to realize |
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| 15:52.46 | arietis | if i'm using socks5 proxy, what's user and password values for servers in this list? http://sockslist.net/ |
| 15:53.37 | arietis | i suppose there is no authentification but my tool is asking for user and password values, is it blank line or something else? |
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| 16:01.25 | Iridos | dpkg, any ideas |
| 16:01.25 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a drawer full of string, a little thermal paste, and a handful of three-legged platypuses. And keep the KGB off my back for the next few minutes! |
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| 16:01.46 | Iridos | THE_GFR|WORK, connect printers! |
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| 16:04.38 | nythrow | Guys; have you got any problem with installing qemu-kvm? I'm becoming an error: Broken packages. |
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| 16:06.03 | nythrow | With IPX |
| 16:06.17 | nythrow | *ipxe |
| 16:06.39 | yodaboy22 | so i download and install the debian cd |
| 16:06.52 | yodaboy22 | sooo many packages are missing |
| 16:07.10 | yodaboy22 | i don't even have the program that installs .deb packages |
| 16:07.24 | yodaboy22 | should i download the dvd instead? |
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| 16:08.02 | themill | yodaboy22: I can guarantee that you have dpkg on the first cd |
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| 16:08.41 | tremon | yodaboy22: as are both apt and aptitude |
| 16:08.59 | yodaboy22 | tremon: aptitude is on there |
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| 16:09.11 | themill | yodaboy22: in any case, there's no need to download a new image to install new packages -- aptitude install packagename. |
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| 16:09.33 | yodaboy22 | themill: doesn't that require internet or the installation disk? |
| 16:09.59 | nythrow | http://pastebin.com/n3hMMhnb - any ideas? |
| 16:10.08 | tremon | yodaboy22: you are aware that full debian is 52 cd's? |
| 16:10.17 | themill | yodaboy22: obviously... how about you tell us what the real question is rather than making us guess. |
| 16:10.57 | yodaboy22 | tremon: ok now i understand |
| 16:11.07 | yodaboy22 | i went to the torrent page on debian.org |
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| 16:11.12 | nythrow | I downloaded and installed it manually, but it doesn't work. |
| 16:11.39 | yodaboy22 | there were like 52 torrents labeled numbered to 52 |
| 16:11.39 | yodaboy22 | wow |
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| 16:11.53 | yodaboy22 | i just picked a random one |
| 16:11.56 | themill | nythrow: what release of debian are you using? |
| 16:12.00 | yodaboy22 | assuming there were mirrors |
| 16:12.07 | yodaboy22 | oh, it's 6.0.4 |
| 16:12.48 | tremon | yodaboy22: for a normal install, you need either the first cd/dvd or the netinstall one. But for regular use, a network connection is very much recommended |
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| 16:13.14 | yodaboy22 | tremon: alright I'll do that |
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| 16:14.11 | themill | yodaboy22: do you already have debian installed? |
| 16:14.27 | yodaboy22 | themill: just one disk |
| 16:14.34 | yodaboy22 | i know how to uninstall and such |
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| 16:14.41 | THE_GFR|WORK | hey everyone, when I access cups via web administration, it cannot find any printers it spins the pinwheel partially and never finds anything, I'm running debian 64-bit squeeze ideas? |
| 16:14.57 | themill | yodaboy22: you don't need to uninstall it or reinstall it though... |
| 16:15.11 | SeySayux | THE_GFR|WORK: what brand of printer are you using? |
| 16:15.20 | yodaboy22 | themill: oh, just add on to it? ok |
| 16:15.20 | lampe2 | how i can change the webdav password useing htpasswd ? |
| 16:15.43 | THE_GFR|WORK | SeySayux: Seiko SLP440 ( Smart Label Printer 440 ) |
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| 16:16.17 | SeySayux | THE_GFR|WORK: Did you search for any known problems with that printer? Did you follow any instructions posted? |
| 16:16.37 | THE_GFR|WORK | SeySayux: it's working fine on my ubuntu machine which is 64-bit |
| 16:16.55 | SeySayux | THE_GFR|WORK: Perhaps you're missing a driver? |
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| 16:17.23 | THE_GFR|WORK | SeySayux: with the CUPS administration web interface this is all I get http://i41.tinypic.com/minxtu.jpg |
| 16:18.19 | SeySayux | THE_GFR|WORK: Did you forward your printer (as a USB device, I guess) to your VM? |
| 16:18.29 | THE_GFR|WORK | SeySayux: that indicates to me that the printing interface is broken, I can use the gnome printer program to add the printer, it just will not print |
| 16:18.34 | THE_GFR|WORK | SeySayux: it's not a VM |
| 16:18.47 | THE_GFR|WORK | SeySayux: and it's a network printer |
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| 16:19.55 | SeySayux | no idea here, really, what do the ##cups people say? |
| 16:20.14 | THE_GFR|WORK | SeySayux: oh... didn't know there was a ##cups channel thanks I'll ask there |
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| 16:22.00 | THE_GFR|WORK | SeySayux: thanks |
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| 16:29.58 | hyppias | how to set up quota on squeeze? |
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| 16:31.19 | SeySayux | THE_GFR|WORK: If that doesn't work out, you could try calling AppleCare :P |
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| 16:35.58 | THE_GFR|WORK | SeySayux: how does that help me? ;p |
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| 16:36.23 | SeySayux | Well, it's an Apple product, so they should help :P |
| 16:36.42 | THE_GFR|WORK | SeySayux: what's an apple product? I didn't mention an apple product. |
| 16:37.19 | tremon | nythrow: your problem is connected to the etherboot removal, but I haven't been able to find the reason for the breaks: qemu-kvm |
| 16:37.24 | SeySayux | "[...] cups [...]" << yes you did |
| 16:37.54 | THE_GFR|WORK | SeySayux: your saying the Common Uninx Printing System ( CUPS ) is an apple product? |
| 16:38.08 | SeySayux | THE_GFR|WORK: Yup. Look at the screenshot you posted yourself. |
| 16:38.32 | xSmurf | hey all, is there a specific place I should be mounting things within initrd or can I just mkdir /tmp/point and that's fine??? |
| 16:38.37 | THE_GFR|WORK | oh |
| 16:38.38 | THE_GFR|WORK | huh |
| 16:38.41 | THE_GFR|WORK | I never knew that |
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| 16:39.09 | tremon | nythrow: you might want to ask around on ipxe, that it makes current qemu-kvm uninstallable without solution |
| 16:39.10 | SeySayux | I mean, they even made the UI resemble apple.com |
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| 16:39.53 | GTRsdk | What's the command to remove xorg.conf? |
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| 16:40.05 | SeySayux | GTRsdk: rm? |
| 16:40.12 | SeySayux | THE_GFR|WORK: "CUPS is the standards-based, open source printing system developed by Apple Inc. for Mac OS® X and other UNIX®-like operating systems." |
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| 16:40.32 | THE_GFR|WORK | SeySayux: I didn't know that, but that does not solve my problem |
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| 16:40.35 | ompaul | SeySayux: it wasn't always like that |
| 16:40.47 | GTRsdk | SeySayux: just rm xorg.conf? |
| 16:40.56 | SeySayux | GTRsdk: yup |
| 16:41.18 | GTRsdk | SeySayux: I get no file or directory |
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| 16:42.03 | SeySayux | Anyways, does anyone know where I can get gcc 4.5.3? It's not in backports, and compiling it from sid sources just errors out because I do not intent to replace my whole system with sid. |
| 16:42.14 | SeySayux | GTRsdk: Why do you want to remove xorg.conf anyways? |
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| 16:42.57 | GTRsdk | SeySayux: Just trying to get the computer to work like how it was done on http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=66547 |
| 16:43.17 | gimpy2938 | I installed mozilla-plugin-vlc on Squeeze with Firefox 10 (not iceweasel) but videos won't play in the browser, they just download. I disabled all plugins but the VLC one and it does the same thing. Any idea why? |
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| 16:43.46 | SeySayux | GTRsdk: you mean, like this? http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=66547#p381429 |
| 16:44.44 | GTRsdk | SeySayux: I think so, but it appears that I don't have an Xorg conf file as it is so I'm trying other options. Thanks anyways |
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| 16:55.50 | GTRsdk | Which package do you think the ATI Rage Mobility M3 (rev 02) driver might be in? |
| 16:56.13 | Iridos | GTRsdk, perhaps you might tell us what your real problem is and ask for a solution of that |
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| 16:58.00 | GTRsdk | Iridos: well the screen didn't have much of anything on it when I started xdm... I'm rebooting the machine (an iBook G3 with ATI Rage rev 02) to see if it works with the new xorg.conf |
| 17:00.38 | relateable | any interest in cloudfoundry packaging? |
| 17:01.11 | Iridos | GTRsdk, you don't have an /etc/X11/xorg.conf by default now... everything is supposed to be autodetected now... |
| 17:01.20 | Iridos | dpkg, xorg.conf |
| 17:01.20 | dpkg | From Lenny onwards, xorg mostly configures itself. Resolution is set by your monitor/graphics card (unless they're broken) or by your desktop environment or <xrandr>. From Squeeze, input hotplugging saves duplicating settings and restarting X after changes. The /etc/X11/xorg.conf file is usually no longer needed and is often blank. Manual configuration is still possible, see <xorg config squeeze> <xorg config lenny>. |
| 17:01.23 | GTRsdk | the new xorg.conf file fixed it |
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| 17:05.14 | yodaboy22 | so i install netinstall debian cd |
| 17:05.29 | yodaboy22 | and it downloads the rest eating up my bandwidth |
| 17:06.02 | tremon | yodaboy22: that's what it's for |
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| 17:06.52 | GTRsdk | yodaboy22: well if you want to just install a base system, it shouldn't use much of any bandwidth |
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| 17:07.05 | Iridos | it's not a bog, it's a fissure :) |
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| 17:18.34 | hikenboot | how do i tell what the package name for a *.deb file I installed? |
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| 17:18.46 | hikenboot | I want to remove it because it half installed |
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| 17:19.36 | Iridos | a) I don't understand the question |
| 17:19.41 | Iridos | b) I think it's the wrong question |
| 17:20.21 | ansgar | hikenboot: dpkg -I |
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| 17:21.12 | amphi | hivemind: you should be able to just purge it in the normal way |
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| 17:21.19 | amphi | hikenboot: ^^^ |
| 17:21.25 | amphi | hivemind: sorry, ETAB |
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| 17:23.41 | hikenboot | ok the problem is its not installed just dpkg and apt-get thinks I am still trying to install it..How do I clear the package history or stop it from thinking this apt-get -f install doesnt seem to help |
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| 17:25.40 | Iridos | put the whole error into a pastebin |
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| 17:26.53 | jelly-home | !bat |
| 17:26.53 | dpkg | In order for us to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: The complete output of your apt-get/aptitude/dselect run (including the command you used); the output from apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2...; for the relevant packages and "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
| 17:26.56 | Iridos | and it's probably the postinstall script |
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| 17:27.51 | hikenboot | I will look over the dpkg stuff thanks for that...problem is for right now it aint going to help because it seems it fixed itself and doesnt repeat the errors strangely... |
| 17:28.14 | Iridos | sends ultrasonic waves at jelly-home |
| 17:28.59 | drhouse123 | Hi! Which KDE is coming to Debian testing ? |
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| 17:29.25 | jackp | hello, i have problems runnig a pythonscript with a udev rule. rule reads KERNEL=="sd?1", RUN="/usr/bin/python /root/test.py", RUN="/bin/touch /root/d" test.py does not get executed, /root/d appears. what am i doing wrong? script is a two debug-line working finer |
| 17:29.29 | jackp | -r |
| 17:29.32 | hikenboot | all the stuff I have put together works now on 2.6.32-6-pve but I cant wait to see kernel 3.3/3.4 when all this stuff comes together working nicely with each other and bending backwards to get it all working isnt necessary |
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| 17:30.47 | hikenboot | one last question folks if i add another drive whats the best way to move my /var directory to a new disk ..should I boot a live cd debian/ubuntu and rsync it over and reconfigure /etc/fstab? |
| 17:30.50 | drhouse123 | I don't know how to learn it |
| 17:31.30 | hikenboot | I guess it would involve findiing the UUID of the drive/partition i am moving it to |
| 17:31.59 | hikenboot | I am down to 230 MB in the /var partition...does it usually fill up quick or is that enough space for a long time? |
| 17:32.48 | tremon | hikenboot: check /var/cache/apt |
| 17:32.50 | hikenboot | I would try moving it with gparted but I have had some bad luck with gparted destroying things |
| 17:33.15 | hikenboot | ah the apt database sits there so apt-get clean would probably fix it right? |
| 17:33.16 | dondelelcaro | hikenboot: depends what you're storing there. If it were me, I'd either add an additional set of volumes to the volume group and make the logical volume bigger, or go to single user and deal with it there. |
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| 17:33.37 | dondelelcaro | hikenboot: apt-get clean will clean up the packages which you have downloaded |
| 17:33.47 | dondelelcaro | hikenboot: man apt-get; for details |
| 17:33.58 | kleanchap | Are there calendars like ical that you can download for evolution client on Debian? |
| 17:34.22 | tremon | hikenboot: yes. With only 250MB free space, you won't be able to dist-upgrade (but you can always play dirty symlink games) |
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| 17:35.22 | jackp | no udev expert in here? |
| 17:36.27 | hikenboot | hmm thanks for that info but I would rather just fix it...is it hard to do by rsync the directory and updating fstab..or is that not a working solution? Sorry to ask twice I just want to be clear |
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| 17:37.02 | dondelelcaro | hikenboot: yes, rsync with an fstab update will work. You just need to go to single user mode in order to do that safely. |
| 17:37.15 | hikenboot | oh single user mode ok |
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| 17:37.31 | afad | Hi debian! |
| 17:37.49 | afad | update |
| 17:37.58 | afad | gay 13.0 - http://gruntle.org/projects/irssi/gay |
| 17:38.18 | afad | hi |
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| 17:38.30 | afad | 5 L G |
| 17:38.30 | afad | 0 U |
| 17:38.30 | afad | 0 H Y |
| 17:38.30 | afad | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:38.30 | afad | L Y |
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| 17:38.48 | dondelelcaro | jackp: iirc, you need RUN+="foo" |
| 17:39.07 | afad | Hi guys! i was wondering if debian was compiled for ARM devices |
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| 17:39.22 | dondelelcaro | afad: yes |
| 17:39.26 | afad | Because I have this cool arm notebook |
| 17:39.42 | afad | and I dont like propietary windows on it |
| 17:39.51 | afad | thank god for debian! |
| 17:39.57 | afad | :) |
| 17:39.58 | dondelelcaro | afad: see http://www.debian.org/ports/ |
| 17:40.12 | afad | dondelcaro:THANKS! |
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| 17:41.21 | jackp | @dondelelcaro: oh yes thanks, a typo nearly drove me insane :) |
| 17:41.38 | afad | debian is a good free OS, i love how it says GNU/Linux, it makes me |
| 17:41.43 | afad | feel diffrent and original |
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| 17:42.04 | afad | and ubuntu is just debian dumbed down |
| 17:42.09 | afad | :( |
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| 17:43.01 | jelly-home | eyes afad and his Cygwin irssi client suspiciously |
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| 17:44.35 | mrtn86 | What is the best practice under Debian for installing software from source? For example I downloaded GNS3 source file and i could compile this from the source, but is there a possibility to create a .deb package and use this instead? This allows me to keep track of the package and uninstall it easily. |
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| 17:44.56 | mrtn86 | Is this possible at all? |
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| 17:48.10 | Iridos | mrtn86, everything is possible :) |
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| 17:48.15 | dondelelcaro | mrtn86: I'd personally always create a package, but then again, I already know precisely how to do that |
| 17:48.21 | Iridos | depends on the effort you want to invest |
| 17:48.48 | phorce1_home | !packaging |
| 17:48.48 | dpkg | from memory, packaging is covered nicely at http://www-jcsu.jesus.cam.ac.uk/jcn/documentation/html-only/packaging.html, http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-debpkg.html |
| 17:48.52 | dondelelcaro | mrtn86: so the first time would take you probably an hour or so to figure it out, then every subsequent one will only take a bit longer than it takes to install it |
| 17:48.55 | tremon | !tell mrtn86 about ssb |
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| 17:49.37 | tremon | mrtn86: alternatively, you can just use checkinstall |
| 17:49.41 | Iridos | there's checkinstall |
| 17:49.44 | Iridos | heh |
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| 17:50.04 | tremon | :) |
| 17:50.25 | jelly-home | and stow |
| 17:50.46 | Iridos | when I tried checkinstall, it didn't see all installed packages, though... |
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| 17:53.10 | phorce1_home | so, what are the chances it'll "just work" if I yank all the drives out of my slowly failing Pentium-D machine and stick them in an Athlon-II machine I have on a shelf? (squeeze and I *think* I installed the 'kitchen-sink' initrd) |
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| 17:54.31 | Iridos | phorce1_home, depends... the kernel should work, might need to install nvidia/ati drivers and remove/change xorg.conf if you had one that was specific |
| 17:54.41 | tremon | phorce1_home: the system will work fine as long as grub boots. Have a netinstall or other boot image ready if it doesn't boot |
| 17:54.46 | Iridos | or might not if you kept that on autodetect |
| 17:54.47 | tremon | ah yes, and drivers... |
| 17:55.07 | THE_GFR|WORK | hey everyone, when I access cups via web administration, it cannot find any printers it spins the pinwheel partially and never finds anything, I'm running debian 64-bit squeeze see pic http://i41.tinypic.com/minxtu.jpg ideas?? |
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| 17:55.51 | mrtn86 | Iridos, dondelelcaro, dpkg: this is what package managers do? I mean as i understand, they take the source files from programmers and create .deb files.. |
| 17:56.11 | dondelelcaro | mrtn86: nah, package managers manage packages that are already created |
| 17:56.16 | tremon | mrtn86: that's what 'packagers' do |
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| 17:56.36 | dondelelcaro | mrtn86: package "maintainers" do that |
| 17:56.49 | tremon | ^^ what he said |
| 17:56.57 | xSmurf | I'm trying to use loop devices in my initrd script, but I must be missing something in the hook cause losetup fails, any pointers? |
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| 17:58.49 | dondelelcaro | xSmurf: is the loopback module loaded and/or built in? is the hook running late enough that dev is mounted and you have loop devices? |
| 17:58.54 | dondelelcaro | xSmurf: how is it failing? |
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| 17:59.23 | xSmurf | "/dev/loop0 not such device or address" |
| 17:59.28 | xSmurf | ls /dev/loop0 shows t |
| 17:59.33 | elise-- | Oops |
| 17:59.34 | xSmurf | *it |
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| 17:59.48 | dondelelcaro | xSmurf: and is loop loaded? |
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| 18:00.10 | Iridos | what is the losetup command you run |
| 18:00.24 | xSmurf | should be is manual_add_modules work properly but I'll run modprobe to verify |
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| 18:01.15 | xSmurf | dondelelcaro: drivers/target/loopback ? |
| 18:02.09 | jhutchins_lt2 | My Lenny system is loading the r8169 driver from the .32bpo kernel, but it's not creating an interface. |
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| 18:04.47 | DeM0nFiRe | Hello |
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| 18:05.23 | oops | how do I hide a window that is currently open in my workspace in gnome3? |
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| 18:05.37 | xSmurf | loop, exactly who I was looking for, why are you not on my initrd img? :PP |
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| 18:11.00 | DummyMode | hi |
| 18:11.03 | haole | hello there... how do i see which services are enabled at boot in debian squeeze? how do i manage them? i couldn't this information easily with google |
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| 18:12.04 | StephenS | how can I debug my ssh connection with strace? Im getting slow ssh connection |
| 18:12.07 | oops | why is gnome-shell-timer a separate package apart from gnome-shell-extensions? |
| 18:12.10 | dondelelcaro | haole: depends on what packages you have installed, but ls /etc/rc2.d/; |
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| 18:13.36 | dondelelcaro | oops: because it's not an official gnome extension |
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| 18:14.30 | oops | dondelelcaro, I installed gnome-shell-timer but I don't see it appearing on my top panel. any idea what could be wrong? |
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| 18:15.47 | Iridos | StephenS, doesn't specifying strace already imply how you want to debug it? And I don't see how that would help you... how about just using ssh -v -v -v |
| 18:16.00 | haole | dondelelcaro, but are there tools to manage this? something like update-rc.d |
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| 18:16.16 | lovemachine | hi all |
| 18:16.16 | dondelelcaro | oops: nope; I don't use gnome. Check the readme, I guess. |
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| 18:16.25 | dondelelcaro | haole: yes, update-rc.d exists. |
| 18:17.03 | haole | dondelelcaro, i've read in the wiki that it is outdated... is it safe to use it? |
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| 18:19.54 | oops | anyway to hide a window in gnome3 in a single click? |
| 18:21.00 | Iridos | minimize it? |
| 18:21.32 | oops | Iridos, but there is no single way to do that as well. moreover, I am trying to understand the gnome3 workflow of doing things where we hide windows rather than minimizing them. |
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| 18:22.05 | lovemachine | :D |
| 18:22.27 | lovemachine | use the stable |
| 18:22.31 | lovemachine | :D |
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| 18:24.49 | Iridos | oops, och, gnome3... this channel mainly deals with squeeze and that doesn't have gnome3 (so I didn#t even see the "3") |
| 18:25.00 | Iridos | (note topic) |
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| 18:25.43 | oops | where do I get help for wheezy? |
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| 18:26.02 | haole | is there a program to show me which services are enabled at boot in debian squeeze? |
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| 18:27.18 | zerd | I'm trying to upgrade from squeeze to wheezy, but I'm getting what looks like a dependency cycle. How can I resolve it? |
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| 18:28.00 | llutz | haole: rcconf ,sysv-rc-conf |
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| 18:31.34 | jhutchins_lt2 | Actually, nobody really has gnome3. It's incomplete. |
| 18:31.42 | Iridos | zerd, that's what testing is for! It's a learning experience! |
| 18:31.54 | Iridos | you might start trying aptitude instead of apt-get or vice versa |
| 18:32.32 | zerd | both have problems with it, but aptitiude got me a bit further |
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| 18:33.13 | Iridos | zerd, what do you have in your sources.list now? wheezy main nonfree contrib? |
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| 18:37.25 | zerd | wheezy main, wheezy/updates main. oh, and I left squeeze-updates main in :o |
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| 18:39.00 | Iridos | wheezy/updates is the one from security.debian.org, right? |
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| 18:39.36 | zerd | yes |
| 18:39.56 | Iridos | I wonder who had that splendid idea of having XXX-updates and YYY/updates and they being different things |
| 18:40.55 | oops | Why doesn't gnome-shell-extension depend on gnome-tweak-tool in Wheezy? |
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| 18:41.31 | rypervenche | oops: Gnome 3 is not yet ready for Debain. |
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| 18:41.52 | tensorpudding | it's in wheezy |
| 18:42.09 | Iridos | tensorpudding, gnome-shell-extensions is in experimental |
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| 18:42.24 | engla | does anyone know if zfs-fuse can be used on a removable drive and still have it automount? |
| 18:43.06 | oops | Shouldn't gnome-shell-extensions depend on gnome-tweak-tool ? |
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| 18:44.53 | jaalto | I need to remove a flags from CFLAGS. How do I do that with GNU make? Anyone used the $(foreach ...)? |
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| 18:45.34 | jaalto | ... remove one flag |
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| 18:46.33 | Iridos | engla, depends on your automounter? |
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| 18:49.50 | mekeor | i wrote a program which produces sound (or rather i copied the code, anyway..). it had worked fine until it suddenly started to not produce sound and instead print this error (which doesn't cancel/abort/end the program): "AL lib: pulseaudio.c:612: Context did not connect: Access denied". i don't have any ideas what's the reason for that error, do you? |
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| 18:51.30 | _abc_ | Hello. Has anyone seen problems with vim corrupting files on edit in lxterm and also in console mode on some debians or derivatives thereof? |
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| 18:51.38 | _abc_ | Any pointers would be helpful |
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| 18:52.09 | gimpy2938 | mekeor: Did you update anything recently? Also, run a strace and see what it is accessing to get that access denied. |
| 18:52.39 | KuB_ | Does anybody have crash (Segmentation fault) of KWIN with debian testing + Kde? It crashes at boot or when I active Desktop Effects! |
| 18:52.58 | bellman | use ALSA directly unless you need additional instability provided by pulse |
| 18:53.06 | mekeor | gimpy2938: a strace? what's that? |
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| 18:53.13 | twisted` | :( debian is teasing me again |
| 18:53.22 | twisted` | keys are not available for certain hosts |
| 18:53.29 | gimpy2938 | mekeor: You code but don't know strace? man strace |
| 18:53.32 | Iridos | _abc_, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=vim |
| 18:53.35 | twisted` | but the keyservers I can find either are not resolvable or don't have the key |
| 18:53.49 | twisted` | gpgkeys: HTTP fetch error 6: Couldn't resolve host 'wwwkeys.eu.pgp.net' |
| 18:53.51 | twisted` | or |
| 18:53.59 | burhan | I am running squeeze on a headless remote system. I need to run a program that requires X, and access it remotely from Windows. What is the *lightest* DM I can use to achieve this easily. |
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| 18:54.06 | twisted` | gpgkeys: key AED4B06F473041FA not found on keyserver |
| 18:54.07 | twisted` | on keyring.debian.org |
| 18:54.18 | gimpy2938 | burhan: Just use X11 forwarding with Putty. |
| 18:54.19 | |DM| | use me |
| 18:54.21 | twisted` | any ideas? I just want to update :( |
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| 18:54.26 | mekeor | gimpy2938: well, i'm not a professional (but rather a noob). |
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| 18:54.52 | brahman | Hi, I am using fakeroot to build packages where the ownership of the files inside the .deb need to be root. How can I package files as www-data for example withouth being www-data? |
| 18:54.52 | gimpy2938 | mekeor: strace shows system calls a process is using. Again, man strace |
| 18:54.56 | burhan | gimpy2938: do I need anything on Windows (other than putty)? |
| 18:55.06 | gimpy2938 | burhan: No idea, I don't use Windows. |
| 18:55.13 | bellman | cygwin x works |
| 18:55.13 | burhan | neither do I :/ |
| 18:56.03 | bellman | NX client is a non free all in 1 alternative (requires extra packages installed on the server) |
| 18:56.19 | bellman | non OSS that is |
| 18:56.32 | twisted` | got it... debian team removed the volatile branch |
| 18:56.37 | gimpy2938 | Google 'putty x11 forwarding' and see what you can find. |
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| 18:58.38 | Iridos | twisted`, no, it's been renamed |
| 18:59.02 | twisted` | just generated a new sources.list |
| 18:59.13 | twisted` | I have no idea why it's so important to break working systems |
| 18:59.22 | twisted` | W: GPG error: http://security.debian.org squeeze/updates Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY AED4B06F473041FA |
| 18:59.24 | Iridos | dpkg, tell twisted` about squeeze-updates |
| 18:59.26 | twisted` | same GPG error... *sigh* |
| 19:00.10 | twisted` | yep, same gpg key I can't get a new one for |
| 19:00.12 | twisted` | brilliant :p |
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| 19:01.53 | mekeor | gimpy2938: strace couldnt help me much (or rather at all). http://codepad.org/wozWvE1g |
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| 19:02.06 | Gm4n | What reason could mdadm have for failing one drive out of my array? mdadm output here: http://paste.debian.net/154954/ smartctl doesn't seem to show anything wrong, output here: http://paste.debian.net/155018/ |
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| 19:03.41 | gimpy2938 | mekeor: Try it with a -f to get the forks too. |
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| 19:03.49 | twisted` | ok I'm lost |
| 19:03.53 | twisted` | I've tried 4 different mirrors |
| 19:03.57 | twisted` | they all have the same pubkey |
| 19:03.59 | twisted` | that I can't add |
| 19:04.00 | twisted` | any ideas? |
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| 19:05.15 | gimpy2938 | Gm4n: SMART isn't that trustworthy. Doesn /var/log/messages show any problems like failed writes, SCSI errors, etc? |
| 19:05.22 | mekeor | twisted`: try another one :P |
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| 19:05.41 | twisted` | apt-get install debian-archive-keyring |
| 19:05.47 | twisted` | solved it |
| 19:05.47 | twisted` | :p |
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| 19:06.47 | haole | hello there... i've just messed up a configuration file of some package in etc, and then i deleted it so i could reinstall the package and get a fresh one... the problem is: reinstalling the package won't bring back this file in /etc... what am i missing here? |
| 19:07.05 | jelly-home | !tell haole about confmiss |
| 19:07.44 | gimpy2938 | !tell gimpy2938 about confmiss |
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| 19:08.30 | jelly-home | gimpy2938: you can also "/msg dpkg stuff", instead |
| 19:08.41 | haole | thanks |
| 19:08.49 | mekeor | gimpy2938: well, a few numbers change but the output of strace still doesnt help... http://codepad.org/Yr8nMQ56 |
| 19:09.03 | Gm4n | aha, found some in there! thanks gimpy2938 :) |
| 19:09.05 | Moebius | question. Conky is not showing my CPUs temperature |
| 19:09.20 | Moebius | used lines are: Core 1: ${freq 1} MHz Temprature: $color ${exec sensors|grep ‘Core0′|awk ‘{print $3}’} |
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| 19:09.36 | Moebius | and the other one almost the same, so i don't need to bring it up |
| 19:09.53 | Moebius | i have AMD Athlon(tm) II X2 240 Processor |
| 19:10.05 | gimpy2938 | Gm4n: I'm not surprised Seagate's SMART wouldn't show a problem. Western Digital always has for me. |
| 19:10.37 | amphi | Moebius: acpi -t should show you temp |
| 19:10.42 | Moebius | ok, let me try. |
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| 19:11.03 | Moebius | Thermal 0: ok, 30.0 degrees C |
| 19:11.23 | Moebius | dunno what that means, but i think i've tried that already, and it showed 30 degrees C for just anything |
| 19:11.34 | Moebius | HDD, motherboard, CPU... all are 30 C |
| 19:11.51 | Moebius | is that ok? |
| 19:11.53 | jelly-home | Moebius: which cpu? Have lm sensors ever worked on that installation? |
| 19:11.55 | Gm4n | gimpy2938: it says kicking non-fresh sdd from array - http://paste.debian.net/155104/ |
| 19:12.02 | gimpy2938 | mekeor: No idea then. |
| 19:12.11 | Moebius | jelly-home, i've installed it |
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| 19:12.18 | Moebius | but can't say whether it works properly or not |
| 19:12.49 | jelly-home | Moebius: how did you configure lm_sensors? |
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| 19:13.15 | jelly-home | Moebius: can you pastebin the complete output of "sensors" command, ran as root? |
| 19:13.28 | gimpy2938 | Gm4n: So when a device isn't fresh nor has dice in the mirror, md says 'Yo holmes, out of my array!'. I'm not sure what that error means really. |
| 19:13.38 | Moebius | sure. |
| 19:13.46 | Moebius | and let me show you first how i configured it. |
| 19:13.52 | twisted` | how do I add the backports to my sources? |
| 19:13.59 | twisted` | I tried just adding squeeze-backports or backports |
| 19:14.02 | twisted` | but neither goes |
| 19:14.24 | twisted` | also can't find the mention of 'backports' in here http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/squeeze/Release |
| 19:14.25 | Moebius | i just followed instruction on a website... let me try finding it again... |
| 19:14.35 | gimpy2938 | Gm4n: Since that's a RAID 6 I would just add the device back in and see if it kicks it out after a while. |
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| 19:14.57 | Gm4n | alright :) |
| 19:14.59 | LtL | twisted`: deb http://backports.debian.org/debian-backports squeeze-backports main |
| 19:15.07 | Gm4n | I ordered a new disk and have it ready to swap out |
| 19:15.08 | twisted` | thank you |
| 19:15.09 | twisted` | :D |
| 19:15.20 | LtL | twisted`: yw |
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| 19:16.53 | Moebius | http://pastebin.com/7HXCMKxN |
| 19:17.01 | Moebius | that's what sensors-detect shows now |
| 19:17.02 | twisted` | sweet, one package left and I am set |
| 19:17.02 | engla | Iridos: do you know an automounter that supports it? |
| 19:17.11 | Moebius | though now it's not that much as when i ran it first time. |
| 19:17.38 | Moebius | ah, i'm wrong |
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| 19:17.39 | Moebius | it's the same |
| 19:17.42 | Moebius | i just didn't go further |
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| 19:18.37 | Moebius | http://pastebin.com/FsDG4vXZ |
| 19:18.38 | Moebius | here. |
| 19:18.42 | Moebius | that's the complete thing. |
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| 19:19.15 | Moebius | http://pastebin.com/hBsRgigU |
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| 19:21.22 | cmdrtaco | HALP |
| 19:21.32 | THE_GFR|WORK | no |
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| 19:21.45 | cmdrtaco | ok |
| 19:21.46 | jelly-home | thou art not the REAL cmdrtaco! |
| 19:21.50 | THE_GFR|WORK | what? |
| 19:21.59 | THE_GFR|WORK | wrong channel sorry |
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| 19:22.26 | cmdrtaco | CommanderTacoBandito wouldnt fit on efnet :/ |
| 19:22.39 | jelly-home | Moebius: well it looks as if that k10temp driver is reporting _something_ |
| 19:22.39 | cmdrtaco | so i use cmdrtaco there and here too |
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| 19:23.21 | Moebius | well i see that. |
| 19:23.26 | jelly-home | Moebius: perhaps you forgot to make it automatically loaded at boot time (add it to /etc/modules) |
| 19:24.55 | Moebius | hm |
| 19:24.56 | Moebius | maybe. |
| 19:25.00 | Moebius | i never did it actually. |
| 19:25.05 | Moebius | but it's added in modules |
| 19:25.10 | Moebius | that's what the setup said. |
| 19:25.37 | jelly-home | setup? |
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| 19:26.41 | jelly-home | sensors_detect listed only it87 in the list of things it would add to /etc/modules |
| 19:26.42 | Moebius | well, i mean sensors-detect |
| 19:26.48 | Moebius | hm... |
| 19:26.49 | Moebius | really?.. |
| 19:26.57 | Moebius | i see... |
| 19:27.11 | Moebius | and how do i add it to /etc/modules? |
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| 19:28.44 | jelly-home | with a text editor! |
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| 19:29.55 | Moebius | well.. i kind of guessed that :) |
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| 19:30.01 | Moebius | but what do i have to add there? |
| 19:31.37 | THE_GFR|WORK | hey everyone, when I access cups via web administration, it cannot find any printers it spins the pinwheel partially and never finds anything, I'm running debian 64-bit squeeze see pic http://i41.tinypic.com/minxtu.jpg ideas?? |
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| 19:33.39 | langkid1 | hey does anyone know of a "dropbox" type application that can be used to sync files between machines with like FTP? |
| 19:33.45 | LtL | THE_GFR|WORK: will not just http://localhost:631 work or maybe http://127.0.0.1:631 |
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| 19:34.45 | LtL | THE_GFR|WORK: and are you sure cups is running |
| 19:35.04 | gimpy2938 | langkid1: rsync can sync a directory between two machines over SSH. What do you really want to do? |
| 19:35.29 | langkid1 | I want to sync my /home dir on my debian VPS with a dir on my windows machine |
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| 19:37.39 | gimpy2938 | langkid1: Maybe an rsync version of Windows then? |
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| 19:39.13 | xSmurf | yep I can't seem to get either loop devices or devicemapper working in initrd :( |
| 19:40.28 | versuchsanstalt | i'd like to encode some video from uncompressed .avi to some compressed format. can somebody please suggest a point-and-click program for me to start digging into the subject? |
| 19:41.06 | Iridos | you can dig with point and click? |
| 19:41.27 | Iridos | you probably need some stuff from dmm |
| 19:41.34 | Iridos | dpkg, tell versuchsanstalt about dmm |
| 19:41.43 | gimpy2938 | versuchsanstalt: Just transcode instead of edit? Look into ffmpeg and mencoder. |
| 19:42.41 | THE_GFR|WORK | LtL: yes cups is running I can restart it |
| 19:42.47 | THE_GFR|WORK | LtL: I have verified cups is running |
| 19:43.00 | THE_GFR|WORK | LtL: unless it lies to me |
| 19:43.24 | LtL | THE_GFR|WORK: I don't think the url needs /admin/ in there does it? |
| 19:43.51 | versuchsanstalt | Iridos: i know some point-and-click applications that tell the user which options would be equivalent using the command line programs working under the hood of the gui. i really love that approach for digging into subjects like this. |
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| 19:44.45 | Iridos | versuchsanstalt, the ones I tried from debian squeeze chose horrible options, though, some of which weren't even recognized by that version of the program |
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| 19:45.09 | THE_GFR|WORK | LtL: it asks for root priviliges |
| 19:45.22 | Iridos | versuchsanstalt, try something like mplayer -nosound -benchmark -sws 9 -vo yuv4mpeg:file=>(x264 --demuxer y4m --crf 23 --preset slow --profile baseline --level 30 --vbv-bufsize 10000 --vbv-maxrate 10000 --threads auto --fps 25.0 --output outfile-23.264 - 2>x264a.log) somefile.avi for the video |
| 19:45.28 | THE_GFR|WORK | LtL: and you put in root priviliges and it goes fine |
| 19:45.37 | THE_GFR|WORK | LtL: but it still won't find the printers |
| 19:45.47 | versuchsanstalt | and hey, dmm, isnt that where the agnula effort lives on now? |
| 19:45.56 | versuchsanstalt | thanks, Iridos |
| 19:45.57 | Iridos | versuchsanstalt, mplayer -nocorrect-pts -vo null -vc null -ao pcm:fast:file=>(neroAacEnc -ignorelength -lc -q 0.4 -if - -of audio.mp4 2>nero.log) somefile.avi for the audio |
| 19:46.04 | LtL | THE_GFR|WORK: this might help http://wiki.debian.org/SystemPrinting |
| 19:46.12 | versuchsanstalt | Iridos: no audio with that one, kthx |
| 19:46.50 | versuchsanstalt | thank you for the reasonable example, Iridos |
| 19:46.58 | versuchsanstalt | i really appreciate that |
| 19:47.03 | Iridos | versuchsanstalt, and combine the two with MP4Box -fps 25 -add justsame-25.264 -add audio.mp4 output.264 |
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| 19:47.42 | versuchsanstalt | Iridos: thanks, but its an export from a CAD app that doesnt need any audio. thanks a lot. |
| 19:47.43 | THE_GFR|WORK | LtL: when I go to localhost:631 to add a printer it can't find any printers, and it never gets to allowing me to manually add a printer, I can add one via gnome printing interface but it does NOT allow me to print it fails |
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| 19:47.58 | Iridos | versuchsanstalt, that uses programs from a bunch of packages... I think all of them are in dmm (maybe all but one) |
| 19:48.14 | Iridos | dpkg, tell versuchsanstalt -about apt-file |
| 19:48.15 | versuchsanstalt | Iridos: yeah, i have dmm in sources.list |
| 19:48.19 | THE_GFR|WORK | LtL: did you see the posted link to the picture of the screen I get? |
| 19:48.20 | AzP | When I start a process (using exec) with the --name switch, shouldn't the process name be set to that name? For me it doesn't seem to work, it's still called "python /usr/bin/rsstorrent -v --pidfile etc etc etc" |
| 19:48.25 | Iridos | guess you can search them yourself with apt-file |
| 19:48.38 | versuchsanstalt | yup, cool |
| 19:48.43 | Iridos | versuchsanstalt, obviously, you have to adjust the --fps value (or omit it) |
| 19:49.03 | LtL | THE_GFR|WORK: yes I did, cups is answering, I just don't recall using the /admin/ part. |
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| 19:49.13 | Iridos | versuchsanstalt, and the --crf XX is a "quality factor" and I keep forgetting if lower value is better or worse quality |
| 19:49.28 | THE_GFR|WORK | LtL: it's not finding any printers, it just shows that screen and the partial pinwheel frozen |
| 19:49.29 | LtL | THE_GFR|WORK: the wiki doesn't seem to mention that either? |
| 19:49.31 | Iridos | (that's instead of supplying a constant bitrate) |
| 19:49.38 | versuchsanstalt | Iridos: i'll read that up in the manpage, thank you. great! |
| 19:49.40 | THE_GFR|WORK | LtL: not why it would be frozen |
| 19:49.44 | THE_GFR|WORK | on that screen |
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| 19:50.35 | Iridos | versuchsanstalt, I actually got all those from a webpage... but I wasn't able to find it again right now (while all the commands are safely tucked away in my .bash_history) |
| 19:50.48 | versuchsanstalt | Iridos: :-) |
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| 19:51.13 | LtL | THE_GFR|WORK: can you choose IPP as the protocol? |
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| 19:51.40 | THE_GFR|WORK | LtL: how will that help if the screen freezes/sticks on "looking for printer" ? |
| 19:52.01 | THE_GFR|WORK | LtL: the system this printer works on, added the printer as LPR |
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| 19:52.40 | LtL | THE_GFR|WORK: lpr is correct, I can't explain the freeze. |
| 19:52.46 | Iridos | THE_GFR|WORK, perhaps /var/log/cups/error_log provides a clue |
| 19:53.39 | THE_GFR|WORK | Iridos: ok |
| 19:54.39 | THE_GFR|WORK | Iridos: does not appear to be an error in the log? |
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| 19:55.26 | THE_GFR|WORK | Iridos: no idea :( |
| 19:55.58 | Iridos | there's also access_log |
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| 20:02.07 | THE_GFR|WORK | Iridos: you want me to post the log? |
| 20:02.30 | Iridos | dunno... can't you make sense of them? |
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| 20:02.38 | Iridos | or tell if they have anything interesting at all? |
| 20:02.52 | THE_GFR|WORK | Iridos: no |
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| 20:04.51 | THE_GFR|WORK | I dunno there are no errors that I see |
| 20:04.54 | THE_GFR|WORK | but I dunno |
| 20:05.03 | THE_GFR|WORK | copy_model: empty ppd file |
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| 20:05.28 | Iridos | does it give a path? |
| 20:05.37 | THE_GFR|WORK | Iridos: no |
| 20:06.22 | Iridos | so guessing, that would be an zero-length/empty file in /etc/cups/ppd |
| 20:06.28 | THE_GFR|WORK | no idea |
| 20:06.53 | LtL | THE_GFR|WORK: are you in the lpadmin group? |
| 20:07.00 | THE_GFR|WORK | no idea |
| 20:07.02 | Iridos | well... if there's one with size 0 in there, it wouldn't hurt to delete it |
| 20:07.19 | THE_GFR|WORK | ok sec |
| 20:07.29 | Iridos | LtL, does it matter? cups goes over the web interface... |
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| 20:08.03 | LtL | Iridos: I don't recall needing to be in it but the wiki says so |
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| 20:08.23 | THE_GFR|WORK | none of the files are 0 length |
| 20:08.33 | Iridos | versuchsanstalt, ah, I think it was http://sites.google.com/site/linuxencoding/x264-encoding-guide |
| 20:09.00 | jhutchins_lt2 | Ran out of space during an install, now I can't uninstall to make space. Any suggestions? |
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| 20:09.57 | Iridos | versuchsanstalt, it seems a bit weird, using mplayer to decode and everything... but... I dunno, just using e.g. ffmpeg alone has just been a lot of frustration and low-quality videos, while this seemed to work and gave good quality with reasonable compression |
| 20:10.30 | Iridos | jhutchins_lt2, delete stuff :) |
| 20:10.58 | jhutchins_lt2 | Iridos: Given there's no data on the system yet, what do you suggest? Working on logs atm. |
| 20:11.00 | Iridos | jhutchins_lt2, alternately, move some things onto another partition and... symlink there |
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| 20:11.34 | gimpy2938 | jhutchins_lt2: You could also expand the filesystem if you have empty space on the drive. It's easy if you used LVM. |
| 20:11.35 | jelly-home | jhutchins_lt2: what do you mean by "can't uninstall"? |
| 20:11.43 | Iridos | or of course apt-cache clean? |
| 20:11.58 | burhan | I am trying to find the simplest way to do remote desktop over the internet. I installed nx server, and now I am installing the program I need to access over the network. Is there anything else I need like xfce? |
| 20:12.02 | jhutchins_lt2 | jelly-home: Aptitude won't run, dpkg-configure won't complete. |
| 20:12.08 | burhan | the program I am using is qt based. |
| 20:12.21 | jelly-home | jhutchins_lt2: dpkg --remove ought to work |
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| 20:12.42 | Iridos | jelly-home, some postinst stuck because it needed to write onto the disk? |
| 20:12.48 | jelly-home | jhutchins_lt2: easy targets: old, unused kernels |
| 20:12.53 | gimpy2938 | burhan: Do you need the whole desktop or just one app? |
| 20:12.59 | burhan | just one app |
| 20:13.00 | jhutchins_lt2 | clean is not a valid option on apt-cache. |
| 20:13.06 | jhutchins_lt2 | No old kernels, new squeeze install. |
| 20:13.09 | THE_GFR|WORK | Iridos: so what do I do to fix this? |
| 20:13.31 | Iridos | jhutchins_lt2, ops, it's from apt-get |
| 20:13.33 | LtL | jhutchins_lt2: autoclean works I believe |
| 20:14.00 | jhutchins_lt2 | unfortunately apt-get/aptitude won't run until dpkg completes. |
| 20:14.21 | somiaj | jhutchins_lt2: its apt-get clean // really you can just manually delete the debs from /var/cache/apt/archives if you need to |
| 20:14.26 | Iridos | jhutchins_lt2, all it does is remove .deb files from /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 20:14.33 | Iridos | :D |
| 20:14.34 | somiaj | jhutchins_lt2: though don't delete any ones that were being downlaoded with this intsall. |
| 20:14.55 | Iridos | THE_GFR|WORK, no idea, we haven't worked out what goes wrong! |
| 20:15.01 | jelly-home | jhutchins_lt2: apt-get clean should not care about the package state at all. Can you show actual output of failing commands? |
| 20:15.02 | jhutchins_lt2 | yeah, tahat'll do it. |
| 20:15.34 | jhutchins_lt2 | They're completing after a manual delete. |
| 20:15.41 | THE_GFR|WORK | Iridos: well, I have no idea what to do/look at |
| 20:15.49 | THE_GFR|WORK | Iridos: sorry :( |
| 20:15.55 | Iridos | THE_GFR|WORK, I thought you asked the guys in ##cups |
| 20:16.09 | THE_GFR|WORK | Iridos: I did, but, they didn't know either |
| 20:16.12 | Iridos | as I never really figured how you debug anything with cups |
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| 20:16.33 | Iridos | it seems to me as if they never thought anything could get wrong with the software they wrote |
| 20:17.17 | jhutchins_lt2 | Iridos: Well, apple... |
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| 20:17.26 | Iridos | jhutchins_lt2, oh, right... I forgot |
| 20:17.33 | Iridos | "one mouse button is enough for everyone!" |
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| 20:18.27 | Iridos | THE_GFR|WORK, this is squeeze, right? |
| 20:18.34 | burhan | gimpy2938: any ideas? |
| 20:18.45 | Iridos | and you got no working printers anyway, right again? |
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| 20:19.53 | Iridos | THE_GFR|WORK, would anything speak against doing apt-get purge cups\* (perhaps try with --dry-run first) |
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| 20:20.10 | THE_GFR|WORK | Iridos: what would that do? |
| 20:20.25 | Iridos | remove all cups packages + all configuration |
| 20:20.35 | Iridos | then you could install it again and start with a pristine configuration |
| 20:20.41 | THE_GFR|WORK | Iridos: I did an apt-get install --reinstall cups |
| 20:20.55 | Iridos | that wouldn't touch config files that are modified |
| 20:21.05 | THE_GFR|WORK | Iridos: if you think that will help and not goof other stuff up |
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| 20:21.40 | THE_GFR|WORK | so apt-get purge --dry-run cups? |
| 20:21.45 | burhan | what's the absolute minimum that I need to install to get a program that needs qt libraries working over the network? Hopefully something less than full-blown KDE. |
| 20:23.07 | THE_GFR|WORK | Iridos: is that the correct command? |
| 20:23.12 | Iridos | THE_GFR|WORK, that shows you what that would do, yes... I actually said cups\*, which will remove all packages with cups (cups-common, cups-client, cups-bsd) - that might be too much |
| 20:23.29 | Iridos | with --dry-run, apt doesn't do anything, just prints what it would do |
| 20:23.55 | LtL | THE_GFR|WORK: have you tried the wiki at all..just a glance? |
| 20:23.59 | THE_GFR|WORK | Iridos: so removing all those items would be good or goof something up? |
| 20:24.17 | Iridos | THE_GFR|WORK, well, you should install the ones you need again afterwards :) |
| 20:24.24 | THE_GFR|WORK | LtL: looked at the wiki I followed it's directions but it won't work still because it can't find the printers |
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| 20:24.39 | Iridos | THE_GFR|WORK, and you should take care you're not removing too much |
| 20:24.57 | LtL | THE_GFR|WORK: you mentioned root permissions, did you just give it root's pw? |
| 20:25.12 | THE_GFR|WORK | LtL: yea |
| 20:25.29 | LtL | THE_GFR|WORK: and still the freeze huh.. weird |
| 20:25.36 | THE_GFR|WORK | LtL: yea |
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| 20:25.47 | THE_GFR|WORK | Iridos: just removing what you suggested |
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| 20:25.53 | THE_GFR|WORK | I can reinstall them right? |
| 20:25.54 | LtL | will cat smallfile > lpr work in a term |
| 20:26.11 | LtL | after you re-install |
| 20:26.11 | jhutchins_lt2 | purging openoffice freed 20% of the drive space. |
| 20:26.19 | lstarnes | LtL: no, that will just copy smallfile into a new file called lpr |
| 20:26.45 | jelly-home | jhutchins_lt2: your drive is too small. |
| 20:26.47 | LtL | lstarnes: you're right, i've frgotten how to write to the print daemon |
| 20:26.58 | LtL | a pipe |
| 20:27.00 | lstarnes | LtL: | |
| 20:27.09 | LtL | will cat smallfile | lpr work in a term |
| 20:27.16 | jhutchins_lt2 | jelly-home: It's what I've got. Used to be the w95 system that wine ran from. |
| 20:27.22 | LtL | lstarnes: thank you |
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| 20:27.51 | Iridos | THE_GFR|WORK, yes... well, try first with apt-get purge cups (and then install again) |
| 20:28.02 | Iridos | THE_GFR|WORK, guess you can't break it _more_ |
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| 20:28.15 | THE_GFR|WORK | Iridos: I did the apt-get purge cups\* |
| 20:28.21 | jhutchins_lt2 | jelly-home: For some reason the r8169 driver won't work in .32bpo on my rtl8168 |
| 20:28.27 | THE_GFR|WORK | how do I reinstall all those files? |
| 20:28.30 | jhutchins_lt2 | jelly-home: Works fine on squeeze. |
| 20:30.20 | THE_GFR|WORK | Iridos: The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 20:30.20 | THE_GFR|WORK | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:30.20 | THE_GFR|WORK | E: Broken packages |
| 20:30.24 | LtL | THE_GFR|WORK: aptitude install cups cups-client |
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| 20:30.53 | Iridos | THE_GFR|WORK, mmh, hope that weren't too many ... that's why I meant look how much it would get with --dry-run |
| 20:31.04 | THE_GFR|WORK | ah |
| 20:31.12 | Iridos | yeah, those should pull in most |
| 20:31.15 | THE_GFR|WORK | Iridos: I did an apt-get install cups\* |
| 20:31.40 | Iridos | nah, that tries to install all packages starting with cups... and some can't be installed together |
| 20:32.15 | THE_GFR|WORK | ah well |
| 20:32.24 | THE_GFR|WORK | it still does the freeze thing as before |
| 20:32.27 | versuchsanstalt | Iridos: thanks for the link about encoding... :-) |
| 20:32.31 | HSorgYves | concerning security: which package would you use: chkrootkit or rkhunter? maybe both? maybe something else? |
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| 20:33.07 | jhutchins_lt2 | HSorgYves: I'd use something like tripwire. |
| 20:33.09 | THE_GFR|WORK | Iridos: no idea why it's broken |
| 20:33.13 | THE_GFR|WORK | Iridos: I dunno what it did |
| 20:34.01 | Iridos | THE_GFR|WORK, same with http://localhost:631/printers/? |
| 20:34.32 | Iridos | does "lpq -a" from a shell hang as well? |
| 20:34.46 | Iridos | I dunno... I can't imagine what it's doing either |
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| 20:35.52 | HSorgYves | jhutchins_lt2: thx |
| 20:36.11 | THE_GFR|WORK | debian:/home/marcus# lpq -a |
| 20:36.12 | THE_GFR|WORK | no entries |
| 20:36.12 | THE_GFR|WORK | debian:/home/marcus# |
| 20:36.27 | Iridos | well, normal if you have no printers |
| 20:36.33 | THE_GFR|WORK | I have printers added |
| 20:36.47 | Iridos | not anymore... you just removed the config |
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| 20:37.11 | THE_GFR|WORK | Iridos: they are still added if I look at the cups webmin |
| 20:37.21 | Iridos | that's weird |
| 20:37.45 | THE_GFR|WORK | yea |
| 20:38.51 | HSorgYves | someone else an opinion? |
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| 20:39.45 | Iridos | HSorgYves, tripwire that writes onto a medium that cannot be modified anymore is pretty unbeatable but a lot of effort |
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| 20:40.14 | Iridos | the ones you mentioned are no or little effort IIRC |
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| 20:40.53 | Iridos | THE_GFR|WORK, just tried at my machine... the wait is for detecting local printers |
| 20:41.00 | HSorgYves | Iridos: medium that cannot be modified anymore? |
| 20:41.17 | Iridos | although I only get that wait when I actually choose "add printers" |
| 20:41.47 | clone_of_saturn | hooking up an old line printer isn't much effort, if you have one |
| 20:41.58 | Iridos | HSorgYves, yes... like burning each version onto a new track of a CD that can only written once or sending the result to a different machine |
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| 20:42.24 | Iridos | HSorgYves, if someone see that something is installed and writes to a certain database, he can always manipulate that database |
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| 20:42.49 | HSorgYves | Iridos: if you write onto CD he can write as well |
| 20:43.17 | Iridos | HSorgYves, sure, but not over the older versions, so you'd see the change |
| 20:43.24 | clone_of_saturn | CD wouldn't be very safe |
| 20:43.38 | THE_GFR|WORK | Iridos: mine never completes |
| 20:44.09 | HSorgYves | Iridos: you would see the change on the disk as well |
| 20:44.41 | HSorgYves | Iridos: especially if you monitor something like timestamp using some other tool |
| 20:44.42 | Iridos | how? |
| 20:45.03 | Iridos | but you wouldn't see what the previous checksum was |
| 20:45.04 | jhutchins_lt2 | How do I use the columns option to get a full package name with dpkg? |
| 20:45.11 | Iridos | of course, there's also debsums |
| 20:45.44 | Iridos | jhutchins_lt2, how about dpkg -l |less |
| 20:46.01 | clone_of_saturn | hey, they still make cheap line printers that print on thermal paper |
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| 20:46.22 | HSorgYves | Iridos: true, except if you have it somewhere else as well |
| 20:46.24 | Iridos | jhutchins_lt2, or of course, something like that will also do COLUMNS=300 dpkg -l |
| 20:46.29 | gimpy2938 | I installed mozilla-plugin-vlc on Squeeze with Firefox 10 (not iceweasel) but videos won't play in the browser, they just download. I disabled all plugins but the VLC one and it does the same thing. Any idea why? |
| 20:46.53 | Iridos | HSorgYves, the CD idea was actually already an idea how to reduce the tremendous effort :) |
| 20:46.59 | bs0d | Is it ok to mix repositories from squeeze and wheezy? I'd like to get 3.1.0-1 kernel and dmks nvidia drivers from wheezy repositories, is this ok? |
| 20:47.16 | gimpy2938 | bs0d: Look into using backports instead. |
| 20:47.20 | Iridos | HSorgYves, best would be a drive you can only write to when YOU make changes and which is always readable for checks, I guess |
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| 20:47.24 | HSorgYves | Iridos: true, but you need physical access to the computer for that |
| 20:47.32 | Iridos | I said it's a lot of effort! |
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| 20:47.42 | clone_of_saturn | you can only write 50 tracks or so on a multisession CD |
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| 20:48.09 | Iridos | that's over a month writing with on install per day |
| 20:48.31 | HSorgYves | Iridos: i never questioned that security is a lot of effort, but are chkrootkit and rkhunter really useless? |
| 20:48.51 | Iridos | I never said so... I said they require little effort |
| 20:49.20 | HSorgYves | Iridos: ok, sorry for the misunderstanding |
| 20:49.21 | bs0d | ,version linux-image |
| 20:49.21 | Iridos | I installed them, but couldn't say how much good they would have done as nobody seemed to attack my machine |
| 20:49.22 | judd | No package named 'linux-image' was found in i386. |
| 20:49.28 | clone_of_saturn | Iridos: a whole day? that gives an attacker plenty of time to figure out your CD writing cron job and make it write fake info instead |
| 20:50.00 | HSorgYves | clone_of_saturn: you could modify the default cron, that is not an argument |
| 20:50.20 | bs0d | can I query the version in backports repository from here using ,version? |
| 20:50.22 | Iridos | clone_of_saturn, you can't have cron do that! You install new stuff manually, so you run tripwire as part of your installation procedure |
| 20:50.33 | bs0d | ,version linux-image-* |
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| 20:50.34 | judd | No package named 'linux-image-*' was found in i386. |
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| 20:50.45 | clone_of_saturn | hm.. |
| 20:50.47 | Iridos | clone_of_saturn, you can cron have do CHECKS, but not the writing |
| 20:50.57 | Iridos | and writing is only needed when YOU do changes anyway |
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| 20:51.41 | teratoma | my laptop has this: Intel Corporation Ultimate N WiFi Link 5300 . i can connect to some access points ( i am right now!). there are lots of access poitns i am unable to connect. what am i doing wrong ? |
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| 20:52.38 | clone_of_saturn | oh, right, tripwire doesn't do what i was thinking it did |
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| 20:54.46 | Iridos | I would think tripwire to a medium that a remote attacker cannot modify should give you near 100% chance to detect changed files in places where they shouldnt change |
| 20:55.52 | Iridos | dunno... the attacker could possibly modify the kernel such that the files appear not modified |
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| 20:56.19 | HSorgYves | Iridos: yes, but the medium write must be done manually so that the attacker has no chance to "change" the file |
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| 20:59.08 | jhutchins_lt2 | Why would xorg ignore xorg.conf? |
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| 21:00.02 | nkuttler | jhutchins_lt2: permissions? check the log |
| 21:00.18 | jhutchins_lt2 | nkuttler: Possibly. Nothing in the log. |
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| 21:00.27 | nkuttler | :\ |
| 21:00.54 | jhutchins_lt2 | root:root globally readable. |
| 21:01.00 | bs0d | gimpy2938: I have looked in backports, ok there is 3.1.0-1 kernel in there .. but nvidia-dkms driver is outdated |
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| 21:01.13 | bs0d | is it ok to add wheezy repo and install that driver from there? |
| 21:01.25 | jhutchins_lt2 | Configurring multimedia keyboard as mouse, found 14 buttons? |
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| 21:02.12 | bs0d | jhutchins_lt2: I had same issue ... 5 buttons in a mouse with 2 buttons and a wheel |
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| 21:05.08 | spiekey | Hello! |
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| 21:05.22 | jhutchins_lt2 | Crap. Now I've lost networking again. |
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| 21:05.48 | spiekey | where do i go for dpkg-buildpackage questions? I dont want dh to run make test |
| 21:05.56 | jhutchins_lt2 | ,kernels |
| 21:05.57 | judd | Available kernel versions are: sid: 3.2.0-1-686-pae (3.2.2-1); wheezy: 3.1.0-1-686-pae (3.1.8-2); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.1-686-pae (3.2.1-2~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-41); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-35~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-27) |
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| 21:08.21 | somiaj | spiekey: irc.oftc.net is the offical debian irc network, there are lots of channels there for various things including that. http://wiki.debian.org/IRC |
| 21:08.34 | jhutchins_lt2 | bs0d: How did you fix it? |
| 21:09.31 | spiekey | somiaj, i know. But there is no debian-package channel or something |
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| 21:10.02 | somiaj | spiekey: #debian-mentors might be appropriate, as that is for help learning to build/matian packages |
| 21:10.23 | spiekey | thanks!!!!! |
| 21:11.53 | bs0d | jhutchins_lt2: queried judd for backports version of dkms driver and wheezy dkms driver |
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| 21:12.04 | bs0d | ,version nvidia-kernel-dkms |
| 21:12.05 | judd | Package: nvidia-kernel-dkms on i386 -- squeeze/non-free: 195.36.31-6; squeeze-backports/non-free: 280.13.really.275.36-1~bpo60+1; sid/non-free: 290.10-1; wheezy/non-free: 290.10-1; experimental/non-free: 295.09-1 |
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| 21:12.29 | bs0d | I need the 290.1 version. Is it ok to install it from wheezy repos, while being on squeeze? |
| 21:12.36 | somiaj | bs0d: no |
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| 21:12.56 | somiaj | bs0d: /msg dpkg ssbp (make a backport yourself -- note you will backport the whole nvidia source and will not need to install every package it creates) |
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| 21:14.00 | hyppias | any reason why debian 6.0.4 still has mysql 5.1 instead of the newer 5.5? |
| 21:14.04 | no_gravity | Hello! I installed debian in an encrypted LVM next to my existing Ubuntu und Windows partitions. Now in the boot menu (grub?) there is no more windows. Can I simply put it back by putting something into some grub config file? |
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| 21:14.31 | somiaj | hyppias: because debian releases are frozen and do not change the versions of the software during their lifetime (except for security/bug fixes) |
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| 21:14.59 | daemonkeeper | Security bugs don't get updates either, they are backported. |
| 21:15.05 | somiaj | hyppias: this is to ensure that upgrading packages to newer versions dont' bring in unwanted bugs. A stable frozen system is nice, but if you need a newer mysql you can look into backports. |
| 21:15.06 | hyppias | somiaj: so I can just swap ? |
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| 21:15.29 | somiaj | ,versions mysql-server |
| 21:15.30 | judd | Package: mysql-server on i386 -- lenny: 5.0.51a-24+lenny5; lenny-security: 5.0.51a-24+lenny5; lenny-backports: 5.1.49-3~bpo50+1; squeeze: 5.1.49-3; sid: 5.1.58-1; wheezy: 5.1.58-1; experimental: 5.5.17-4 |
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| 21:17.04 | Guest8383 | ,versions roundcube |
| 21:17.05 | judd | Package: roundcube on i386 -- lenny-backports: 0.3.1-6~bpo50+1; squeeze: 0.3.1-6; squeeze-backports: 0.5.4+dfsg-1~bpo60+1; sid: 0.7.1-1; wheezy: 0.7.1-1 |
| 21:17.09 | jhutchins_lt2 | Ok, network problem solved, was configured for disabled network-manager, mouse problem solved, installed inputattach. |
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| 21:20.02 | LtL | THE_GFR|WORK: any luck with the printer? |
| 21:20.19 | Moebius | http://linux.koolsolutions.com/2008/12/16/how-to-grub2-and-grub-pc-installing-splash-images/ |
| 21:20.45 | Moebius | can anyone tell me where do i get the grub splash screen from the first picture of that link? |
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| 21:21.03 | Moebius | reddish one |
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| 21:21.34 | Moebius | it's marked as "old" one, so that means it came along with older debian version. |
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| 21:21.51 | Moebius | but where do i get it now since it's now included in any grub splash package?.. |
| 21:21.52 | Moebius | not* |
| 21:23.19 | bs0d | somiaj: are backports updated often? If I will be unable to backport nvidia driver myself, will it appear in the backports in some time? |
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| 21:25.26 | somiaj | bs0d: that is the first I've seen nvidia in the backports, there is no schedule or guarntee. Those instructions I sent make backporting it fairly simple. |
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| 21:27.04 | no_gravity | No one answered, so I try again: I installed debian in an encrypted LVM next to my existing Ubuntu und Windows partitions. Now in the boot menu (grub?) there is no more windows. Can I simply put it back by putting something into some grub config file? |
| 21:28.19 | tremon | no_gravity: yes, for testing that is fine. For a permanent solution, you need /etc/grub.d |
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| 21:28.39 | no_gravity | tremon: what is fine for testing? |
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| 21:29.31 | Moebius | is anyone here using Debian Lenny still? |
| 21:29.32 | tremon | no_gravity: I meant "if you want to test if it works", not "Debian wheezy" :) |
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| 21:30.03 | Erik8 | Since I have had trouble with connecting wirelessly with my netbook with debian installed at home (it simply doesn't show connections on wicd), would it be better if I tried to install it while in an area with wireless internet so that it could connect during the installation? |
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| 21:30.21 | Moebius | is anyone using Debian Lenny?! |
| 21:30.21 | tremon | (where "it" refers to "Can I simply put it back by putting something into some grub config file" |
| 21:30.35 | no_gravity | tremon: test what? edit some config file? which one? |
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| 21:30.53 | bs0d | are squeeze-backports updated automatically? debian backports sais it needs apt preferences editing for lenny, and should no need any configuration for squeeze, but Im not sure if I have understood it right |
| 21:30.53 | petemc | Moebius: more than likely yes |
| 21:31.10 | tremon | no_gravity: /boot/grub/grub.conf, or /boot/grub/menu.lst on older versions |
| 21:31.28 | Moebius | petemc, well i need to know for sure.. there's one bootsplash image i wanna get for squeeze.. but it appears it was present only on Lenny |
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| 21:31.55 | petemc | i know nothing of bootsplash |
| 21:32.05 | Moebius | petemc, are you using Lenny or not? |
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| 21:32.11 | Moebius | that's the only thing i need to know |
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| 21:32.17 | petemc | i have a few boxes still running lenny |
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| 21:32.25 | Moebius | if you do then do please check this folder on any of your boxes: /usr/share/images/desktop-base |
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| 21:32.35 | Moebius | and it'd be better if you made a screenshot of what it's inside |
| 21:32.39 | Moebius | with thumbnails on |
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| 21:32.53 | Moebius | that'd be very appreciated. |
| 21:32.59 | Moebius | cause i dunno where to look. |
| 21:33.01 | no_gravity | tremon: you mean grub.cfg? |
| 21:33.13 | tremon | no_gravity: yes, that one |
| 21:33.14 | petemc | ls: cannot access /usr/share/images/desktop-base: No such file or directory |
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| 21:33.24 | tremon | grumbles something about filenames |
| 21:33.28 | petemc | these machines are servers without X installed |
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| 21:33.29 | Moebius | hmmm |
| 21:33.33 | Moebius | i see... |
| 21:33.37 | Moebius | well... thanks anyway. |
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| 21:33.51 | petemc | np |
| 21:34.06 | tremon | Moebius: you can still get the desktop-base package from archive.debian.org, right? |
| 21:34.11 | sys6x | heya, I just dist-upgraded to squeeze, but the kernel is stuck to 2.6.18 and now udev wants to update but says its incompatible with the current kernel, what can I do? I'm still on 2.6.18 |
| 21:34.14 | jhutchins_lt2 | I thought the bdo key was supposed to be in squeeze. I'm getting "no public key?. |
| 21:34.17 | Moebius | tremon, hm.. not sure... |
| 21:34.19 | Moebius | but let me try |
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| 21:34.39 | no_gravity | tremon: that looks hell complicated |
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| 21:35.50 | tremon | no_gravity: check if you have os-prober installed, otherwise boot to Ubuntu and regenerate grub.conf from there. Then you can copy those lines to debian |
| 21:36.04 | tremon | Moebius: maybe lenny isn't even in archive yet, let me check |
| 21:36.10 | Moebius | yes, it's not there. |
| 21:36.32 | homekevin | eSo I tried to install from a netinst CD over wifi, but I couldn't even find a way to choose the wireless network. |
| 21:36.45 | Moebius | how about this link http://packages.debian.org/lenny/all/desktop-base/download |
| 21:36.52 | homekevin | Is that supposed to be there somewhere? I tried the expert mode, also. |
| 21:36.58 | bs0d | ,version build-essential |
| 21:36.59 | judd | Package: build-essential on i386 -- lenny: 11.4; sid: 11.5; squeeze: 11.5; wheezy: 11.5 |
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| 21:37.11 | bs0d | ,version gcc |
| 21:37.12 | judd | Package: gcc on i386 -- lenny: 4:4.3.2-2; squeeze: 4:4.4.5-1; sid: 4:4.6.2-4; wheezy: 4:4.6.2-4 |
| 21:37.13 | tremon | Moebius: yes I was on my way to get that link |
| 21:37.24 | Moebius | aha.. ok.. so you think i can install it? |
| 21:37.30 | bs0d | hmm ... no gcc in backports? |
| 21:37.31 | Moebius | what if it depends on some older libs? |
| 21:37.41 | bs0d | nor build-essentials |
| 21:37.58 | tremon | Moebius: I don't think you can install it, but you can extract it with dpkg -x and copy the files you want yourself |
| 21:38.09 | Moebius | "A later version is already installed" |
| 21:38.13 | Moebius | ahaa... |
| 21:38.13 | Moebius | ok |
| 21:38.16 | Moebius | thanks for letting know. |
| 21:38.20 | Moebius | you think grub images are in there? |
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| 21:38.46 | tremon | well, I see at least a /usr/share/images/desktop-base/moreblue-orbit-grub.png in it... |
| 21:38.54 | Moebius | aha.. ok.. |
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| 21:39.42 | bs0d | guys, please suggest me a simple incoming mail notifications daemon, which could track google and hotmail boxes, and not bound to the local mailer programm, like evolution? |
| 21:39.45 | Moebius | hmmmm |
| 21:39.48 | Moebius | you know what... |
| 21:39.52 | Moebius | i've opened it up.. |
| 21:40.05 | Moebius | and there are almost the same image files as on squeeze... but no reddish one.. |
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| 21:41.21 | homekevin | Any ideas on how to configure wifi during installation? |
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| 21:42.43 | tremon | Moebius: http://packages.debian.org/lenny/grub-splashimages -- I'm sure you'll be able to find more packages |
| 21:43.01 | Moebius | i know that one.... but there are other pictures in it... |
| 21:43.07 | Moebius | i have it on squeeze too... |
| 21:43.11 | Moebius | but thanks anyway :) |
| 21:43.11 | sys6x | z/exit |
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| 21:47.11 | GitNick | I have been using debian testing, but, according to the banner for this room, I should be in #debian-next, but apprently that is invite only. |
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| 21:48.07 | Moebius | yet another question.. |
| 21:48.14 | Moebius | how do i install this for gdm: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianArt/Themes/Nightly |
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| 21:50.48 | no_gravity | Hey, Im trying to get my windows partition back in grub. do you guys think its dangerous to do "grub-install /dev/sda"? |
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| 21:51.44 | LtL | no_gravity: run os-prober |
| 21:51.51 | jhutchins_lt2 | How do you empty the trash in kde4? |
| 21:51.53 | streuner_ | no_gravity: no, just make sure you have os-prober installed and run update-grub |
| 21:52.51 | no_gravity | LtL: it shows my windows partition and my debian partition. (im booted into ubuntu right now= |
| 21:52.55 | no_gravity | ) |
| 21:53.48 | no_gravity | would it be a problem to run "update-grub /dev/sda5" from ubuntu right now? |
| 21:53.52 | LtL | no_gravity: after os-prober, run update-grub, it should be added if os-prober returned a proper output |
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| 21:54.38 | LtL | no_gravity: with two other OS's your mileage may vary, might add both hopefully |
| 21:54.38 | no_gravity | LtL: ok, i will boot into debian now and see what os-prober says there. |
| 21:54.43 | jhutchins_lt2 | Why would a kde install have evolution instead of kmail? |
| 21:54.50 | LtL | no_gravity: good idea |
| 21:55.39 | no_gravity | LtL: will it also eliminate entries in the grub menu that doesnt make sense? because currently the ubuntu partition is shown like 20 times in my grub menu. |
| 21:56.11 | LtL | no_gravity: That I could not say |
| 21:56.45 | no_gravity | ok |
| 21:57.00 | LtL | no_gravity: good chance of it though, luck! |
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| 21:58.20 | cmdrtaco | cool |
| 21:58.25 | no_gravity | LtL: are you sure i should run "update-grub" and not "grub-install"? |
| 21:59.18 | LtL | no_gravity: I'm fairly certain update-grub is what you want since grub is/should be installed properly. |
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| 22:00.01 | haole | anybody here familiar with the fai-project? |
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| 22:01.45 | streuner_ | no_gravity: http://wiki.debian.org/GrubRecover |
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| 22:08.13 | no_gravity | Hello! Whom did I talk to about grub? |
| 22:08.26 | no_gravity | Im in debian now. There seems to be no "grub-update" command. |
| 22:08.38 | yodaboy22 | LtL, you talked to |
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| 22:08.55 | no_gravity | oh, i think its update-grub |
| 22:09.08 | allorder | sudo update-grub |
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| 22:09.33 | no_gravity | so i will do "update-grub /dev/sda" now? |
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| 22:11.22 | streuner_ | no_gravity: http://wiki.debian.org/GrubRecover |
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| 22:11.45 | homekevin | I think the installer is not detecting my wifi card. Any thoughts on how to confirm this and/or make it detect it? |
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| 22:12.28 | streuner_ | homekevin: what chipset? |
| 22:12.44 | homekevin | I think it's rt2561 |
| 22:13.09 | homekevin | Something like that |
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| 22:13.20 | streuner_ | dpkg, rt2561 |
| 22:13.20 | dpkg | Ralink RT61 802.11g PCI chipsets (RT2501/RT2561, RT2600/RT2661) are supported by the rt61pci driver, introduced in Linux 2.6.24. Firmware is required, ask me about <ralink firmware>. http://wiki.debian.org/rt61pci |
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| 22:13.27 | Cain | ,versions apache2 |
| 22:13.29 | judd | Package: apache2 on i386 -- lenny: 2.2.9-10+lenny11; lenny-security: 2.2.9-10+lenny11; squeeze-security: 2.2.16-6+squeeze3; lenny-backports: 2.2.16-6+squeeze4~bpo50+1; squeeze: 2.2.16-6+squeeze4; wheezy: 2.2.21-5; sid: 2.2.22-1 |
| 22:13.43 | homekevin | I think that's old info. |
| 22:13.59 | streuner_ | homekevin: didnt the installer asked you for FW? |
| 22:14.13 | homekevin | I think rt61pci is no longer used |
| 22:14.19 | homekevin | streuner_: No, it didn't |
| 22:15.16 | streuner_ | homekevin: any results via "iwlist scan"? |
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| 22:15.41 | homekevin | I don't think iwlist is available in the installer. iwconfig wasn't, IIRC. But I'll check |
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| 22:16.23 | homekevin | No, no iwlist |
| 22:16.38 | LinuxGuy2009 | Hi guys, I have a new wireless desktop and the keyboard has a bunch of the common shortcut keys like home, mail, find files, start media player, play/pause, forward, back, etc on the function keys. There is an FN key that needs to be pressed for these to work as intended. However I was wondering if there is any software tweak that will allow those shortcuts to work without the FN key and then just use the FN key to be able top use normal |
| 22:16.48 | homekevin | I think the right driver is rt2500pci, but loading that didn't make any difference |
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| 22:17.23 | streuner_ | homekevin: is the base system installed yet? |
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| 22:17.32 | LinuxGuy2009 | Kinda like a reverse polarity for the FN key so to speak.' |
| 22:17.43 | homekevin | streuner_: No. Can you do that without network connectivity? |
| 22:17.58 | streuner_ | sure |
| 22:18.37 | homekevin | So I can delay network setup until later in the installation? Will that help? |
| 22:19.31 | streuner_ | yes, install the base system, copy the FW into /lib/firmware and see what happens then |
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| 22:20.28 | streuner_ | homekevin: after that, read http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse |
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| 22:21.49 | homekevin | Do I need firmware? The legend on this page indicates I shouldn't: http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi |
| 22:22.24 | homekevin | http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/rt2500: "No firmware from userspace is required." |
| 22:22.40 | streuner_ | well, good then :-) |
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| 22:23.16 | homekevin | Unless I'm completely wrong about this driver working with this chipset |
| 22:23.23 | homekevin | Which I could be |
| 22:23.23 | streuner_ | homekevin: if you have the base system installed, we are able to check the exact chipset |
| 22:24.02 | streuner_ | without knowing details, it would be hard to help you (TM) :-) |
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| 22:25.21 | homekevin | Well, I think I've got the chipset right (from lspci). |
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| 22:25.22 | streuner_ | homekevin: but anyway, there are some unofficial images available too |
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| 22:25.42 | homekevin | I thought rt2500pci was a replacement for rt61pci, but I'm having trouble confirming that now. |
| 22:26.21 | valdyn | homekevin: its not a replacement, its a different driver for a different chip |
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| 22:27.36 | homekevin | OK, that would explain some of my trouble |
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| 22:28.15 | magyarlatin | hello everyone, have got an issue in Debian Wheezy, when I try to change settings in a wireless connection (in this case set just getting the IP by DHCP and the DNS in manual mode) the network-manager crashes when is asking me the password to change those settings |
| 22:28.22 | magyarlatin | anyone have got the same problem? |
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| 22:28.35 | ChrisW | -> #debian-next... |
| 22:28.35 | Guest26551 | ciao |
| 22:32.08 | bs0d | libreoffice apt packages are borken? o_O |
| 22:32.13 | streuner_ | magyarlatin: nothing in BTS? |
| 22:32.46 | streuner_ | bs0d: nothing in BTS? |
| 22:32.49 | magyarlatin | streuner_, BTS?? |
| 22:33.15 | nkuttler | bs0d: works for me |
| 22:33.32 | streuner_ | magyarlatin: /msg dpkg bts |
| 22:33.43 | bs0d | streuner_: I haven't looked in BTS yet, but trying to install libreoffice from squeeze repos got a "broken dependecies" error |
| 22:34.05 | boudiccas | bs0d; what do you mean, 'borken'? |
| 22:34.05 | homekevin | It looks like rt61pci isn't even included on the CD. :( |
| 22:34.23 | streuner_ | dpkg, listvals rt61pci |
| 22:34.25 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'rt61pci' by value (15 of 16): cwp854 ;; dwa510 ;; dwl-g520+a ;; dwlg630 ;; ew-7108pcg ;; f5d7000 ;; gn-wi01gs ;; hwgpci-54-v2 ;; ralink firmware ;; rnx-g300ex ;; rt2x00 ;; rt61 ;; rt61pci ;; wmp-rt2561st ;; wp-rt2561t. |
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| 22:34.39 | streuner_ | dpkg, rt61 |
| 22:34.39 | dpkg | Ralink RT61 802.11g PCI chipsets (RT2501/RT2561, RT2600/RT2661) are supported by the rt61pci driver, introduced in Linux 2.6.24. Firmware is required, ask me about <ralink firmware>. http://wiki.debian.org/rt61pci |
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| 22:35.27 | streuner_ | homekevin: you prolly missed the FW, the driver should be in the kernel itself |
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| 22:36.10 | homekevin | streuner_: Yeah, I'm sure I still need the firmware. Are you saying it's not built as a module? |
| 22:36.20 | homekevin | The driver itself, I mean. |
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| 22:36.29 | homekevin | modprobe couldn't find it. |
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| 22:37.30 | Cain | every shell used on /etc/passwd needs to be in /etc/shells ? (i.e. if i create a user with -s /bin/false, do i have to add it on /etc/shells ?) |
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| 22:38.07 | magyarlatin | anyone knows why cant still install gnome-shell extensions even there is gnome-shell 3.2 already in Wheezy? |
| 22:38.10 | streuner_ | root@localhost:/boot# grep -i rt61 config-2.6.32-5-amd64 |
| 22:38.10 | streuner_ | CONFIG_RT61PCI=m |
| 22:38.53 | streuner_ | homekevin: that would be strange IMO, stable installer should use -32 as well... |
| 22:39.32 | homekevin | Yeah, I see it on my 64-bit stable install, but not in the modules in the installer |
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| 22:43.28 | homekevin | I don't suppose there are extra modules you can add to the installer? |
| 22:43.47 | bs0d | boudiccas: by "broken" I mean I get an error mrssage that cannot install libreoffice due to unresolved dependencies |
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| 22:44.23 | magyarlatin | anyone knows why still cant install gnome-shell extensions even there is gnome-shell 3.2 already in Wheezy? |
| 22:44.31 | streuner_ | homekevin: i think thats history, why not just another installer then (<kmuto> or <unofficial images>)? |
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| 22:44.55 | streuner_ | homekevin: use* |
| 22:45.41 | streuner_ | homekevin: s/unofficial images/firmware images/ |
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| 22:45.59 | homekevin | streuner_: Thanks for the suggestion, I just don't know anything about unofficial installers. It looks like the official one won't cut it, though. |
| 22:46.02 | tweakism | I am upgrading a Debian 4 system for a friend. Do I need to go to 5, then 6, or can I just go directly to 6? |
| 22:46.11 | tweakism | (the release notes don't exactly say.) |
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| 22:46.27 | homekevin | streuner_: I've no doubt I can get the firmware I need, but I don't see how it will help if I don't have the driver. |
| 22:46.37 | streuner_ | true |
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| 22:47.26 | streuner_ | tweakism: i think you have to go the *HARD* way, IMO |
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| 22:47.57 | tweakism | streuner_: ok, yeah, I was heading that direction anyway. |
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| 22:48.18 | streuner_ | tweakism: if its not a production server, i would just backup the important data and install squeeze |
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| 22:48.31 | streuner_ | directly |
| 22:48.39 | tweakism | yeah that would probably be a lot easier. |
| 22:48.46 | tweakism | and yeah the system has nothing of importance running on it. |
| 22:48.51 | tweakism | but I'd have to get the admin to do a new install. |
| 22:48.55 | tweakism | probably easier to just upgrade it. |
| 22:49.00 | tweakism | (it's a VM) |
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| 22:50.43 | homekevin | So is it possible I could find an unofficial installer that will work for me? Where would I look for information about unofficial installers? |
| 22:51.14 | streuner_ | !+tell homekevin -about firmware images |
| 22:51.14 | dpkg | told homekevin about firmware images. |
| 22:51.52 | yodaboy22 | !+tell yodaboy22-about firmware images |
| 22:51.52 | dpkg | No, #debian, I won't. (target invalid?) |
| 22:52.00 | yodaboy22 | !+tell yodaboy22. -about firmware images |
| 22:52.00 | dpkg | No, #debian, I won't. (target invalid?) |
| 22:52.07 | yodaboy22 | !+tell yodaboy22 -about firmware images |
| 22:52.08 | dpkg | told yodaboy22 about firmware images. |
| 22:52.31 | homekevin | I've seen those, but if the only difference is the addition of firmware I don't think it will help. |
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| 22:52.48 | homekevin | Because I'd still be lacking the driver. |
| 22:52.48 | streuner_ | thats true too |
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| 22:53.17 | streuner_ | homekevin: well, the config of those kernels would be helpful |
| 22:53.29 | themill | yodaboy22: you can just "/msg dpkg firmware images" btw |
| 22:53.31 | homekevin | I suppose it might include additional drivers that correspond to the firmware files, but I can't tell if that's the case. |
| 22:53.47 | homekevin | streuner_: Sure. Is that available somewhere? |
| 22:53.53 | bzed | homekevin: I think you are looking for the installers with firmware files, see the yellowish box on http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ |
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| 22:55.54 | nyk2005 | I'm using dovecot for SMTP and it works, but only without SSL. But for IMAP, it works using dovecot. So it should also for SMTP, I hope. This is my config: http://pastebin.com/ePm0YBiW This is the error I get when testing it using smtp-cli with SSL enabled: "SSL/TLS: SSL connect attempt failed with unknown errorerror:140770FC:SSL routines:SSL23_GET_SERVER_HELLO:unknown protocol" I found nothing using google and have no idea what the problem |
| 22:55.54 | nyk2005 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:55.57 | homekevin | bzed: Thanks, but the problem isn't getting the firmware. I can download that easily enough. The problem is that the corresponding driver is inexplicably missing from the installation CD. |
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| 22:56.25 | streuner_ | bzed, he told us that rt61 isnt in the stable installer as module... |
| 22:57.09 | streuner_ | hard to believe, but everything is possible, IMO |
| 22:57.57 | mrtn86 | I would like to list the content of the "sl" package. I used "apt-file list sl", but this searches all the packages which contain "sl" as far as I understand. |
| 22:58.13 | mrtn86 | Never mind, I found a solution- "apt-file list -F sl" :D |
| 22:58.37 | homekevin | sl is a very important package |
| 22:59.26 | mrtn86 | homekevin, it's fun at least :D |
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| 23:00.58 | tremon | mrtn86: dpkg -L |
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| 23:01.33 | mrtn86 | tremo, I haven't installed it jet :) |
| 23:03.22 | mrtn86 | Are apt-listbugs and apt-listchanges still alive? |
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| 23:03.46 | streuner_ | sure |
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| 23:04.01 | streuner_ | judd, versions apt-listbugs |
| 23:04.02 | judd | Package: apt-listbugs on i386 -- lenny: 0.0.89; squeeze: 0.1.3; sid: 0.1.6; wheezy: 0.1.6 |
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| 23:04.57 | streuner_ | mrtn86: important packages, if you running testing/unstable, IMO |
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| 23:05.19 | streuner_ | mrtn86: it would be a nightmare, if they arent exist anymore... |
| 23:05.30 | guest1234 | hi, I wanted to reduce the memory usage of my debian server, I installed nginx tinyproxy firebird and php-fpm and configured them to minimal memory usage. I don't need anything more, what could I do to further reduce memory usage? |
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| 23:06.17 | tuv | i have a machine stuck at unison 2.32, and want to sync it with a machine with both 2.32 and 2.40. it seems to always trigger the remote 2.40 instead of the matching version (2.32). is there a way to control which remote version of unison to use? |
| 23:06.32 | guest1234 | I'm using around 125mb, it would be cool if I could reduce that to around 100mb |
| 23:06.56 | k-rAd- | hello all. i installed debian successfully to a usb 2.0 hard drive (that is actually usb 3.0) even used the network mirror. i have a i5 integrated intel graphics adaptor. for some reason gnome would never show up. in recovery mode xorg.conf is completely absent. assuming usb 2.0 is just like a sata hard drive the previous debian iso pack was sufficient to get up and running on the same machine. there were no updates from the defau |
| 23:06.56 | k-rAd- | lt debian repos so i do have internet on debian 6.0 recovery. |
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| 23:08.47 | k-rAd- | no errors during install. just no gnome. can i enable a part of the debian repo to get a higher kernel ? |
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| 23:10.00 | Ferrous | Ok, anyone have an idea on where grub is stored on a persistent USB install? |
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| 23:11.31 | bs0d | when I run apt-get -b source nvidia-kernel-kms, how can I get sure, that that source is beging downloaded from sid repo, not squeeze one? |
| 23:11.51 | streuner_ | bs0d: /msg dpkg ssb |
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| 23:12.51 | bs0d | streuner_: Im following those instructions now. its written apt-get -b source packagename, but I have 2 deb-src entries, for squeeze and sid, and how can I get sure that nvidia-kernel-dkms sources will be downloaded exactly from sid repo, which I need? |
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| 23:13.07 | AthomIk | hello |
| 23:13.36 | AthomIk | iptables -L -vv send a lot of error in Chain OUTPUT , is logic, normal ? |
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| 23:13.49 | AthomIk | is a debian sid |
| 23:13.51 | bs0d | apt-cache policy shows its going to be downloaded from squeeze |
| 23:13.59 | bs0d | but I need from sid |
| 23:14.08 | streuner_ | well, edit sources.list then |
| 23:14.24 | bs0d | streuner_: no other way? |
| 23:14.37 | themill | bs0d: apt-cache policy tells you nothing about deb-src entries and apt-get source doesn't use that information |
| 23:14.37 | streuner_ | and comment deb-scr lines for squeeze |
| 23:14.56 | themill | bs0d: if you want a particular version, apt-get source package=version |
| 23:16.19 | bs0d | ,version nvidia-kernel-dkms |
| 23:16.20 | judd | Package: nvidia-kernel-dkms on i386 -- squeeze/non-free: 195.36.31-6; squeeze-backports/non-free: 280.13.really.275.36-1~bpo60+1; sid/non-free: 290.10-1; wheezy/non-free: 290.10-1; experimental/non-free: 295.09-1 |
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| 23:16.59 | bs0d | themill: so, in this case, apt-get -b source nvidia-kernel-dkms=280.13 ? |
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| 23:17.25 | streuner_ | bs0d: no other way, if you running Debian, sources.list is a very important thing, you should know about it. |
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| 23:17.46 | themill | bs0d: that wouldn't make a lot of sense (despite also not being a version number that's in that list anywhere) |
| 23:17.55 | unkmar | Why do I need gddrescue in order to use ddrescue? That doesn't make any sense. |
| 23:17.59 | streuner_ | without basic knowledge about sources.list, you have serious issues in Debian |
| 23:18.07 | themill | bs0d: what version are you trying to compile and on what release? |
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| 23:18.38 | bs0d | streuner_: well, I just have default deb-src entries for my branch, squeeze... and I need to install dkms driver from sid repo, and added a deb-src entry for sid repository, so I have now 2 deb-src entries, and dkms can be found in both of repositories, but I need exactly sources from sid one |
| 23:18.49 | streuner_ | bs0d: maybe its helpful if you show us your sources.list in a pastebin |
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| 23:19.21 | jhine | Hello. By default my users can connect to sftp, can I disable this? |
| 23:19.24 | themill | bs0d: so you'd want to specify the version that is in sid. |
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| 23:19.49 | themill | bs0d: but I have to say that I'm not sure if the nvidia packages are very easily backportable like this. |
| 23:20.14 | bs0d | themill: I will try to :) |
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| 23:20.53 | bs0d | themill: this command should be fine? apt-get -b source nvidia-kernel-dkms=280.13 |
| 23:21.09 | streuner_ | uses nvidia, but i think not in this life... |
| 23:21.15 | themill | bs0d: no. Where is that version coming from? |
| 23:21.43 | themill | bs0d: if you want the driver from squeeze backports, all you need to do is install it. |
| 23:21.45 | bs0d | ,version nvidia-kernel-dkms |
| 23:21.46 | judd | Package: nvidia-kernel-dkms on i386 -- squeeze/non-free: 195.36.31-6; squeeze-backports/non-free: 280.13.really.275.36-1~bpo60+1; sid/non-free: 290.10-1; wheezy/non-free: 290.10-1; experimental/non-free: 295.09-1 |
| 23:22.06 | bs0d | ah, it sais 290.10 |
| 23:22.11 | themill | indeed |
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| 23:22.31 | themill | actually, it says "290.10-1" |
| 23:24.27 | Cain | Is it normal for pureftpd to listen to port : 6010 ? |
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| 23:24.43 | mrtn86 | How often in production environment do you use "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade"? Or "apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade"? Once a week? Every day? |
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| 23:24.55 | lstarnes | mrtn86: preferably every day |
| 23:25.13 | lstarnes | it minimizes the amount of time that a reported vulnerabilty will exist |
| 23:25.39 | themill | mrtn86: you might find cron-apt handy; /msg dpkg cron-apt. You would also subscribe yourself to d-s-a, of course. |
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| 23:28.01 | mrtn86 | themill, what is a d-s-a? |
| 23:28.12 | streuner_ | dpkg, dsa |
| 23:28.13 | dpkg | [dsa] Debian Security Announcement, see http://www.debian.org/security/ and http://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce/ ; RSS feeds at http://www.debian.org/security/dsa (titles only) and http://www.debian.org/security/dsa-long (summaries). Ask me about <dsa lookup DSA-nnnn> for information about the packages affected. See also <tracker of doom>, <debsecan>, <dsa team>. |
| 23:28.16 | themill | dpkg: tell mrtn86 about d-s-a |
| 23:28.37 | mrtn86 | thanks! |
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| 23:29.00 | bs0d | themill: it was built ok, but some warning appear when making deb packages .. hope the driver will still be backported well |
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| 23:29.26 | themill | bs0d: do you want to pastebin the filelist from the .deb? |
| 23:29.54 | LtL | Cain: no, port 21 is default unless program is invoked with the -S <port> flag |
| 23:30.44 | Cain | LtL : my bad, i'm bein paranoiac... that port is just the port opened randomely by pureftpd when a user log in :/ |
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| 23:31.13 | LtL | Cain: np |
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| 23:31.54 | NASDAQDildo | how do I make debian mount /run/tmp at boot |
| 23:32.04 | lstarnes | NASDAQDildo: fstab |
| 23:32.12 | bs0d | themill: I got those packages in result: http://pastebin.com/FyrJJdBG |
| 23:32.53 | bzed | streuner_: /lib/modules/2.6.32-5-amd64/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/rt2x00/rt61pci.ko |
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| 23:33.12 | bzed | streuner_: it is. just a different name from the proprietary upstream fuckup |
| 23:33.13 | astartoth | hi all, i'm trying to package truecrypt. the only way to get it is downloading via their website. I extract, it, dh_make the ending directory, and debuild -us -uc in it. I get a *.deb file that doesn't include the binaries (which are in package/bin) |
| 23:33.24 | streuner_ | bzed, hm |
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| 23:33.50 | themill | bs0d: I was actually meaning the filenames that are inside the libgl1-nvidia-glx_290.10-1_amd64.deb in particular. (used dpkg-deb -c to list them) |
| 23:33.59 | streuner_ | bzed: maybe he used "modprobe rt61", sure, that makes sense then |
| 23:34.04 | NASDAQEnema | lstarnes: fstab and how do I tell it to use /dev/shm? |
| 23:34.14 | astartoth | I tried creating a debian/install file: program usr/bin/program.. nothing. why aren't the binaries not being included in the .deb file? |
| 23:34.14 | bzed | streuner_: in any case he needs the firmware.. |
| 23:34.15 | NASDAQEnema | and /run/tmp |
| 23:34.25 | lstarnes | NASDAQEnema: you could something to fstab, but I'm not sure of the exact syntax |
| 23:34.46 | lstarnes | I don't use shm, and I use /tmp instead of /run/tmp |
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| 23:35.02 | streuner_ | bzed, what happens if he use "modprobe rt61pci" and the FW isnt installed, does it give an error as well? |
| 23:35.59 | streuner_ | bzed: or better no result? |
| 23:36.21 | bs0d | themill: sorry, the contents of deb archive: http://pastebin.com/0VmVMMXG |
| 23:36.58 | themill | bs0d: ok, well it seems to have at least put the libraries in the right places, so it might well work |
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| 23:38.28 | bs0d | themill: I have configuration problems :( libgl1-nvidia-alternatives needs missing glx-alternative-mesa and glx-alternative-nvidia. They are not installed. Should I get them the same way, from sid sources? |
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| 23:38.40 | streuner_ | bzed, nevermind, we gave him 2 options > 1) kmuto and 2) firmware images, that should be enough to install Debian |
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| 23:40.06 | bs0d | ,version glx-alternative-mesa |
| 23:40.07 | judd | Package: glx-alternative-mesa on i386 -- squeeze-backports/contrib: 0.2.0~bpo60+1; wheezy/contrib: 0.2.0; sid/contrib: 0.2.1 |
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| 23:40.43 | themill | the package from squeeze-backports may well satisfy that requirement for you |
| 23:41.00 | bs0d | ,version glx-alternative-nvidia |
| 23:41.03 | judd | Package: glx-alternative-nvidia on i386 -- squeeze-backports/contrib: 0.2.0~bpo60+1; wheezy/contrib: 0.2.0; sid/contrib: 0.2.1 |
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| 23:42.12 | bs0d | ,version libgl1-nvidia-glx-ia32 |
| 23:42.13 | judd | No package named 'libgl1-nvidia-glx-ia32' was found in i386. |
| 23:42.30 | bs0d | this package seems to be a problem |
| 23:42.40 | themill | you just compiled that package |
| 23:45.41 | dvs | five hours left for lenny! |
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| 23:46.10 | bs0d | ,version glx-installer-cleanup |
| 23:46.11 | judd | No package named 'glx-installer-cleanup' was found in i386. |
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| 23:46.29 | bs0d | ,vesion nvidia-installer-cleanup |
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| 23:46.53 | bs0d | ,version nvidia-installer-cleanup |
| 23:46.54 | judd | Package: nvidia-installer-cleanup on i386 -- squeeze-backports/contrib: 20111111+1~bpo60+1; sid/contrib: 20111111+2; wheezy/contrib: 20111111+2 |
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| 23:50.02 | nyk2005 | What the point of "Use secure authentification" in thunderbird, when I'm already using STARTTLS for connection security? |
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| 23:51.17 | lstarnes | nyk2005: starttls secures the connection but does not add additional security for the authentication |
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| 23:52.11 | nyk2005 | lstarnes: So there's no password sent in plaintext using STARTTLS, I assume? So how can the security be even higher with additional? |
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| 23:52.27 | lstarnes | well it's not secured within the connection |
| 23:52.51 | lstarnes | so if someone managed to break the secure connection they could they get your credentials with no additional work |
| 23:54.00 | bs0d | everything seems to have been installed ... going for reboot |
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| 23:55.05 | lstarnes | however, TLS is harder to break than SASL |
| 23:55.28 | lstarnes | and SASL only protects the authentication credntials |
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| 23:56.55 | hul | hi |
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| 23:58.55 | nyk2005 | lstarnes: and what setting needs to be enabled to allow the secure authentification? |
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