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| 00:02.24 | bs0d | themill: hmm modprobe nvidia tells me FATAL: Module nvidia not found ... what could be the problem here? I have installed and configured all the .deb packages |
| 00:02.31 | bs0d | any ideas about this? |
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| 00:03.27 | nkuttler | bs0d: which deb packages? |
| 00:05.48 | bs0d | nkuttler: I have downloaded nvidia-kernel-dkms sources from sid repo, built them into .deb packages and installed them. Rebooted. But modprobe nvidia tells me that nvidia is not found |
| 00:06.12 | nkuttler | bs0d: did you reboot into the same kernel? |
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| 00:06.19 | bs0d | nkuttler: yes |
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| 00:07.45 | ikus060 | Hello, I have a Lenovo ThinkPad. And the support for FN+F7 (should rotate the display using xrand) doesn't work since I'm using the Nvidia binary driver. Is there any way to disable the default behavior ?? |
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| 00:08.55 | ikus060 | I thought it was handle by ACPI events but it appear not |
| 00:09.00 | ikus060 | Any suggestion ? |
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| 00:14.13 | Werel | what happens when I'm installing a package, I do the ./config, I do the make, but not yet do the make install? I'm as a nonroot user, I would normally do config and make without sudo, but the final make install with, and my username is a member of the administration group, or at leadt as I set it with the user privledges tool. |
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| 00:14.52 | Werel | Wwould I be able to rm the directory I've been working in and essentially start back at square one with no system files changed? |
| 00:14.54 | tensorpudding | Werel, if you don't want to install it to the system, you have another option |
| 00:15.05 | bs0d | ,version nvidia-vdpau-driver |
| 00:15.06 | judd | Package: nvidia-vdpau-driver on i386 -- squeeze/non-free: 195.36.31-6; squeeze-backports/non-free: 280.13.really.275.36-1~bpo60+1; sid/non-free: 290.10-1; wheezy/non-free: 290.10-1; experimental/non-free: 295.09-1 |
| 00:15.10 | bs0d | ,version nvidia-vdpau-driver-ia32 |
| 00:15.11 | judd | No package named 'nvidia-vdpau-driver-ia32' was found in i386. |
| 00:15.22 | Posterdati | hi |
| 00:15.44 | bs0d | ,version libvdpau1 |
| 00:15.45 | judd | Package: libvdpau1 on i386 -- lenny-multimedia: 0.3-2.1; squeeze: 0.4.1-2; sid: 0.4.1-3; wheezy: 0.4.1-3 |
| 00:15.52 | tensorpudding | Werel, by setting --prefix in ./configure, it'll put the files in a different place |
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| 00:15.58 | bs0d | ,version lib32vdpau1 |
| 00:15.59 | judd | No package named 'lib32vdpau1' was found in i386. |
| 00:16.04 | Posterdati | please, kde mounts my usb device under /media/75b3acb1... instead of /media/disk, how can I change that? |
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| 00:17.09 | Werel | tensor, my issue is that I've been trying to install a kit which installs several packages together, but on my final command, make install, it tells me No rule to make target 'install', but it went through the other processes fine, it seemed. I'm wondering specifiicallyt 'cause I'm thinking I'll just get the list of packages it would install and do them manually myself, plus making sure I get the latest versio |
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| 00:17.30 | tensorpudding | Werel, if it says that, it means the makefile has no install |
| 00:17.44 | tensorpudding | read the documentation that came with the software |
| 00:18.21 | Werel | I'm trying to install the firmware-mod-kit , since it comes handy with squash, lzma, etc, but I thought it would install all those components as their own, ahh, program. |
| 00:18.47 | Werel | Thanks, I'll try to hunt around some more, just curious as to what took place during ./config and makew :) |
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| 00:22.51 | sombunall93 | I don't understand what "aptitude search ~t^desktop$" does exactly. The tilde is a wildcard and you use aptitude install ~t^desktop$ when you install KDE. I did a aptitude search ~t^desktop$ and got about 25 packages but using aptitude show package I can't see anything about the work "desktop". What does it mean? |
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| 00:23.20 | sombunall93 | *the word |
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| 00:25.42 | tyche | Anyone have any experience with Bose USB speakers and Alsa? They were working before the latest kernel update (2.6.32-5-686 (#1 SMP Mon Jan 16 16:04:25 UTC 2012)) for Debian 6.0.4. Now they aren't with any player I've got. |
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| 00:26.29 | manganese | I don't use aptitude, but ^desktop$ looks like a regular expression that matches the whole word "desktop" (and nothing more, nor less). Presumably the 't' matches a field in the dpkg metadata. |
| 00:26.51 | manganese | er, pesumably the t specifies a field, even |
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| 00:27.31 | sombunall93 | ok so this field is not visible with aptitude show |
| 00:28.35 | manganese | $ apt-cache show alsa-base | grep -i desktop |
| 00:28.35 | manganese | Task: desktop |
| 00:28.38 | sombunall93 | haven't gotten around to regular expressions yet. anybody who knows them is a god |
| 00:28.51 | manganese | alsa-base being a package returned when I run your example aptitude invocation |
| 00:29.01 | sombunall93 | yes! that's the one I show'd |
| 00:29.14 | manganese | So, at a guess, your search returns a list of packages whose task is exactly "desktop" |
| 00:29.51 | sombunall93 | aha i should have use apt-cache |
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| 00:35.41 | LtL | tyche: sound can be a PITA, try here, http://wiki.debian.org/ALSA |
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| 00:36.05 | mint_ | if I create a separate /usr and /usr/local partitions will this backup my applications if I re-install the os. Or will I still have to re-install all applications? |
| 00:36.08 | tyche | LtL: Thanks |
| 00:36.50 | LtL | tyche: welcome |
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| 00:40.35 | Posterdati | hi |
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| 00:40.57 | Posterdati | please how can I set the mountpoint for a disk in the kde device manager? |
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| 00:47.37 | nand` | It seems I've managed to completely break my X.org installation it seems |
| 00:48.08 | nand` | running startx blanks the screen, and after a reboot, it seems my graphics are stuck in something like 640x480 - normally linux would switch to 1280x1024 on booting |
| 00:48.50 | nand` | what I did to cause this mess was install fglrx, which ended up not working, so I uninstalled fglrx again and tried to restart x normally |
| 00:49.19 | nand` | however it complained about the server already running, so I killed the processes. then it complained about not being able to lock some files, and I ended up accidentally deleting .Xauthority |
| 00:49.35 | nand` | now, after a restart, my graphics are stuck in this horrible resolution and booting x simply blanks the screen |
| 00:49.41 | nand` | any clues? I can upload a log if need be |
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| 00:51.07 | nand` | here's my /var/log/Xorg.0.log: http://pastebin.com/WN3LP4FN |
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| 00:51.19 | nand` | unfortunately I can hardly read it myself |
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| 00:51.58 | Posterdati | my removable disk are mounted under /media with their UUID instead of "diskXY" names, how can I fix that? |
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| 01:00.52 | manganese | Posterdati: Is that actually a problem? I quite like that my disks get mounted under /media/$UUID |
| 01:01.10 | Posterdati | manganese: mmmh... |
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| 01:01.24 | Posterdati | manganese: I've got /media/7775-37373... it's orrible :) |
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| 01:02.17 | manganese | Posterdati: but at least only that disk will ever get mounted under that name. it may be ugly, and a bit of a bugger to remember, but it _is_ unique ;-) |
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| 01:02.48 | bs0d | guys, need your help with thus unsuccessful build: http://pastebin.com/4kpePpU1G |
| 01:02.52 | Posterdati | manganese: ok, I'll take it as it is :( |
| 01:03.28 | manganese | Posterdati: I'm not saying you can't change it (I'm pretty sure you can, although off the top of my head I don't actually know how), I'm just saying it's not necessarily bad. |
| 01:03.42 | bs0d | http://pastebin.com/4kePpU1G what has gone wrong in this build? |
| 01:04.12 | Posterdati | manganese: in fstab: UUID=dhasòdahddhdhàaahdsdà /media/disk ext3 defaults,auto,user 0 2 |
| 01:05.04 | manganese | Posterdati: Yeah, okay, I guess that would work. |
| 01:05.17 | Posterdati | manganese: I tested it :) |
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| 01:05.26 | Posterdati | manganese: but I'll leave the uuid |
| 01:05.33 | Engywuck | hi |
| 01:05.34 | manganese | bs0d: It looks like a patch failed to apply. |
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| 01:05.41 | nand` | How do I fix it? http://pastebin.com/3nesEK9P I need X to work |
| 01:05.43 | Posterdati | manganese: this happened upgrading from squeeze to wheezy |
| 01:05.56 | bs0d | manganese: any way to fix it? |
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| 01:06.24 | manganese | bs0d: Without downloading the source and looking at it myself, I have no idea. |
| 01:06.34 | nand` | Am I looking at a reinstall here? |
| 01:06.46 | nand` | (I can't reinstall though, no installation media to install from) |
| 01:06.49 | nand` | or am I just fucked |
| 01:06.52 | Engywuck | when I compare two files with cmp -b the output is "0 M-8 70 8". I can't find any information what this means, do you know (where to find ist)? |
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| 01:07.28 | manganese | nand`: See if you can work out the cause of the two lines in your X log labelled "(EE)". It may not solve your problem, but they are worth a look. |
| 01:07.57 | nand` | manganese: I don't know how |
| 01:08.41 | manganese | nand`: Well, one complains about a version mismatch, which may provide a starting point. Perhaps google knows the answer. |
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| 01:09.03 | nand` | manganese: I can't use google |
| 01:09.19 | nand` | for all intents and purposes I'm stuck in this IRC channel |
| 01:09.25 | manganese | nand`: Why nor? You don't need a working X to use google. |
| 01:09.27 | Engywuck | why? |
| 01:09.30 | manganese | s/nor/not/ |
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| 01:09.44 | nand` | manganese: because I can't use any browser, not even lynx, at this horrible resolution |
| 01:09.53 | nand` | step one would be getting my command line back into 1280x1024 |
| 01:09.56 | nand` | then I can use google |
| 01:10.00 | manganese | nand`: Ctrl+alt+f1 |
| 01:10.00 | nand` | this should be unrelated to x |
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| 01:10.08 | nand` | manganese: does nothing |
| 01:10.09 | Engywuck | 80x25 is good enough for text browsing ;-) |
| 01:11.08 | Engywuck | why don't you have a /dev/fb=? "nofb" as kernel option? |
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| 01:11.48 | nand` | Engywuck: the only kernel option I have enabled is "quiet" |
| 01:11.59 | nand` | and that's by default |
| 01:12.07 | Engywuck | try to create it? (major 29, minor 0). shouldn't be necessary, would be a larger problem, but you can try |
| 01:12.16 | Engywuck | ok, quiet should be no problem |
| 01:12.26 | peterrooney | nand, this is declared deprecated by grub, but still works with squeeze: add "vga=792" to grub boot parameters to affect console resolution (vga=792 gives 128 chars by 48 chars) |
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| 01:12.33 | Engywuck | this was after an update? |
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| 01:12.53 | nand` | Engywuck: it was after trying to install fglrx |
| 01:13.00 | oza|w | hey, im tring to unistall mysql-server-5.1 and reinstall it fresh. When i try and reinstall it it fails becuase it can't fine users.frm but i want it to recreate everything? |
| 01:13.21 | nand` | the full sequence of events: 1. I had the regular xorg installed, 2. later I upgrade to squeeze-backports' version of xorg for an unrelated issue |
| 01:13.24 | nand` | this still worked fine |
| 01:13.58 | nand` | then I just installed fglrx, rebooted, found x to be unworking, uninstall fglrx, installed backports' xorg again -> stuck in this mess. I tried uninstall backports' xorg and installing the squeeze xorg, that's what I'm running now -> same mess, same error |
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| 01:14.30 | Engywuck | did you purge the config files in between the reinstallations? |
| 01:14.55 | nand` | I deleted my Xorg.conf |
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| 01:15.01 | taylorjonl | Is the 2.6 kernel slower on I/O than a 3.x kernel? I get around 800 MB/sec from 'hdparm -t' on a 2.6 squeeze system but I get around 650 MB/sec on a 3.2 sid system. |
| 01:15.10 | nand` | I also deleted .Xauthority |
| 01:15.22 | mrtn86 | Who are the ones who usually make software packages? I guess directly the developers as they have best understanding how the program internally works, which dependencies, recommendations or suggested packages are needed? |
| 01:15.36 | k-rAd | i managed to get 6.0.4 squeeze installed on my usb 3.0 hard drive running in a usb 2.0 port. despite successful installation my gnome would be completely black. i am using a intel HD2000 graphics adaptor. when i booted to safe mode i was unable to upgrade to the higher kernels. it kept complaining that other older dependances were installed and wouldn't let me continue |
| 01:16.03 | nand` | Another channel suggested I rebuild the initrd, how do I do that under debian? |
| 01:16.19 | nand` | and/or reinstalling the kernel |
| 01:16.29 | Engywuck | just an idea: I needed the firmware-nonfree package on my aptop to get X. Don't remember the messages on X, though... |
| 01:16.34 | manganese | nand`: mkinitramfs (se the man page for details) |
| 01:16.41 | nand` | I have firmware-nonfree |
| 01:16.56 | Engywuck | hmmmm |
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| 01:17.13 | nand` | let me try completely uninstall xorg again and booting |
| 01:18.00 | Engywuck | and try to use the purge option in aptitude/whatever you use |
| 01:18.10 | nand` | will do |
| 01:18.23 | Engywuck | probably unnecessary, but.... |
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| 01:19.19 | pinkus | does the purge option remove "everything", even config files, temp files, and directories? |
| 01:19.37 | nand` | nope, completely uninstalled xorg and I still have this horrible resolution |
| 01:19.50 | Engywuck | config files yes |
| 01:19.52 | nand` | but i'm sure when I installed debian (without xorg!) it was already at normal resolution |
| 01:20.34 | Engywuck | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:20.42 | pinkus | ah that's true |
| 01:20.53 | Engywuck | hmmmm..... |
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| 01:21.26 | pinkus | i've used Windows for way too long. I get tired of seeing registry entries, directories, and old config/tmp files from programs i've uninstalled years ago |
| 01:21.29 | peterrooney | nand, dpkg -l | grep -v ^ii |
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| 01:21.47 | Engywuck | hav you tried peterrooney s suggestion with cga=792? |
| 01:21.50 | Engywuck | *vga |
| 01:22.07 | nand` | I have not, but I don't want to try it because I *know* it has to work without that flag |
| 01:22.14 | nand` | I want it basically working the way it did before |
| 01:22.15 | pinkus | in the grub menu? |
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| 01:22.42 | Engywuck | yes, either in the correct grub config file or with the edit ption while booting |
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| 01:23.09 | Engywuck | well, if it works with the vga=792 option you can at least use google to search further :D |
| 01:23.44 | nand` | peterrooney: http://pastebin.com/YqpAjG7i |
| 01:24.36 | Engywuck | mrtn86, I don't think so, probably most are done by debian maintainers (at least for debian). Any good program should have the dependencies listed anyway, and tested in make configure |
| 01:24.58 | peterrooney | nand`: all the rc entries show that fglrx still has config files laying about |
| 01:25.05 | nand` | ah, I'll try purging fglrx |
| 01:25.16 | Engywuck | all of them :D |
| 01:25.25 | peterrooney | as well as the various xorg packages |
| 01:25.43 | k-rAd | could someone kindly zip their ttf-droid fonts in their .icons directory and email them to me ? debian simply would not work. |
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| 01:25.49 | mrtn86 | Engywuck, ok. Where are the dependencies usually listed in the source tarball? In "configure" script? |
| 01:26.25 | Engywuck | should be, plus in the documentation. if there is a good one :D |
| 01:28.08 | chomwitt | in PTS i see (low) and (high) in the news . What does this mean? |
| 01:28.31 | silvertip257 | I'm trying to set up display cloning/mirroring for laptop LCD and VGA out ... I'm not having much luck with the xrandr command I have. xrandr does detect the other monitor on VGA. Suggestions? `xrandr --output LVDS --mode 1024x768 --output VGA --mode 1024x768` still leaves the VGA connected monitor idle (no picture). |
| 01:28.39 | buntunub | k-rAd: whats wrong with the ttf-droid fonts in the repo? |
| 01:29.17 | bs0d | what could be the reason that debian is unable to find nvidia drivers for xorg? |
| 01:29.31 | k-rAd | buntunub, after a succesful gnome install my screen came up blank with a intel hd2000 video card. i tried recovery mode to install a higher kernel but it blocked higher kernels saying earlier packages were in use. |
| 01:30.06 | mrtn86 | Engywuck, ok. The reason I'm asking is that I would like to install GNS3(Cisco IOS emulator), but I would like to install the latest version of it. I could compile from the source, but then I don't know how to uninstall it later etc. The ideal solution would be to create a debian packet and install it with dpkg. |
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| 01:32.44 | nand` | Engywuck: I can't thank you enough! that solved the issue completely |
| 01:32.57 | nand` | I even got the full resolution in the tty |
| 01:33.18 | Engywuck | what did it? purging? |
| 01:33.45 | Engywuck | bs0d, do you have them installed? card is supported? |
| 01:34.21 | Engywuck | you don't usually have to install it in the standard places |
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| 01:35.07 | Engywuck | when I last compiled "by hand" you could give sme options to make configure to set the installation path, e.g. to ~/lib, ~/bin etc |
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| 01:35.19 | mrtn86 | Engywuck, what do you do in situation like this? Still compile from the source? |
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| 01:35.49 | blawiz | i have multiple partitions, so also multiple .Trash folders, how does fm's display alle trashed files at once? and how can i do it? i have a fm without trash-handeling |
| 01:39.08 | Engywuck | you can use custom-made .deb packages |
| 01:39.14 | Engywuck | hmmm |
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| 01:39.46 | nand` | Engywuck: yeah, purging everything, rebooting, reinstalling everything, rebooting, reinstalling the firmware, rebooting |
| 01:39.48 | nand` | in that order |
| 01:39.50 | nand` | and it was back to normal |
| 01:39.59 | nand` | note: installing the firmware after purge triggered the initramfs to get rebuilt |
| 01:40.03 | nand` | maybe that had something to do with it |
| 01:40.09 | bs0d | Engywuck: I have built them from the Sid repositories .. that gave me .deb packages which I have installed in the system and rebooted |
| 01:40.40 | bs0d | Engywuck: card is supported, but modprobe nvidia returns me "module nvidia is not found" |
| 01:41.10 | Engywuck | my tip is in the purging. saved my ay multiple times :D |
| 01:41.25 | Engywuck | do you have the package installed? |
| 01:41.28 | Engywuck | ty |
| 01:41.31 | Engywuck | argh |
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| 01:42.02 | Engywuck | mrtn86, try customdeb or other ways |
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| 01:43.23 | Engywuck | or hyve a look at http://users.telenet.be/mydotcom/howto/linux/package.htm |
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| 01:43.36 | Engywuck | ok, back to my problem: |
| 01:43.47 | Engywuck | nobody knows what cmp output means? |
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| 01:45.35 | buntunub | Engywuck: cmp is a term i frequently use when my computer does not work -- Crap! My Puter!! |
| 01:45.58 | nand` | Since I figure the lot of you are freetards, what's the easiest solution to watching online flash videos (eg. youtube) without installing the horrible Adobe Flash player? |
| 01:46.13 | nand` | no offense intended when I use “freetard”, it's a compliment |
| 01:46.30 | Engywuck | use video sources that offer HTML5? |
| 01:46.50 | nand` | yeah but what if it's H.264 |
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| 01:47.45 | LtL | nand`: gnash? or are you referring to same |
| 01:47.46 | dvs | !tell nand` about gnash |
| 01:48.11 | Engywuck | well, gnash only supports up to flash v9 or so |
| 01:48.39 | LtL | hrm, major suck factor -that- |
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| 01:49.17 | Engywuck | use get-flash-videos to download them and then use VLC or mplayer? |
| 01:49.22 | buntunub | ya HTML5 is the way to go but until then if your addicted to flash videos of the most wonky nonfree kind then you should install the flashplayer-nonfree |
| 01:49.53 | nand` | oh wait, I can use mplayer2 together with that one front-end that supports youtube directly |
| 01:49.55 | buntunub | enable multimedia repo and have at |
| 01:49.56 | peterrooney | LtL: blame web developers who just can't be arsed to think about portability - "It works for me" |
| 01:49.57 | nand` | thanks for the tip |
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| 01:50.34 | LtL | peterrooney: I know that's true, gah. |
| 01:50.34 | nand` | and it turns out all new youtube videos are encoded as WebM either way and I only really care about new videos |
| 01:50.55 | buntunub | i have not found that many websites that give gnash a hard time but some do for sure |
| 01:51.26 | Engywuck | some video sites demand flash 10, IIRC |
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| 01:52.32 | buntunub | well maybe with Apple's stance on Flash the HTML5 standard might become mainstream --- one can only hope |
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| 01:54.35 | Engywuck | the "adult movie industry" supports HTML5 for quite a time /me has read |
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| 01:55.00 | buntunub | were all saved then :) |
| 01:55.01 | Engywuck | as do youtube, vimeo etc. so the rest will follow |
| 01:56.01 | Engywuck | well, otherwise the ipad would have stayed free of that stuff, and with it all paying customers :) |
| 01:56.06 | buntunub | or maybe its just the adult entertainment industry does not want to lose all these Apple users |
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| 01:58.52 | Engywuck | I once heard fom someone in the industry that a certain DVD player company wanted to show that their software was the first to support multi-angle etc. Problem was that all non-test-cases that could be bought by the end user were adult movies at that time.... |
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| 01:59.30 | Engywuck | standard DVDs didn't use al the features, only the ones with large areas in skin tones did |
| 01:59.34 | buntunub | ya go figure |
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| 02:18.01 | jmosco | quick pam ssh question |
| 02:18.19 | jmosco | not sure what to put in pam.d for ssh with ldap |
| 02:18.21 | jmosco | cant login |
| 02:18.36 | jmosco | I am runnig ssh in DEBUG1 |
| 02:18.40 | jmosco | still no luck |
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| 02:20.46 | gimpy2938 | I installed mozilla-plugin-vlc on Squeeze with Firefox 10 (not iceweasel) but videos won't play in the browser, they just download. I disabled all plugins but the VLC one and it does the same thing. Any idea why? |
| 02:21.39 | jmosco | nm |
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| 02:23.11 | gnarface | gimpy2938: wrong type of video? |
| 02:23.57 | gimpy2938 | gnarface: I'm pretty sure the one I was testing with is wmv/wma (yea, I know...) which the plugin does support. |
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| 02:27.19 | Engywuck | jmosco, ssh or sshd in debug mode? |
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| 02:28.43 | simonlnu | Engywuck: he said "nm" |
| 02:29.15 | jmosco | sshd |
| 02:29.21 | jmosco | well, both actually |
| 02:29.26 | jmosco | I got it working though |
| 02:29.30 | jmosco | pam.d/sshd |
| 02:29.53 | Engywuck | what do nanometers have to do with ssh? :) |
| 02:30.39 | Engywuck | ah |
| 02:31.06 | trysten | i add myself to fuse group but still can't do fuse things!! how works the groups?! |
| 02:31.23 | lstarnes | trysten: did you log out after adding yourself? |
| 02:31.26 | Engywuck | did you relogin? |
| 02:31.30 | jmosco | yep |
| 02:31.38 | trysten | lstarnes: that would be it! is there another way? |
| 02:32.00 | Engywuck | i meant trysten :D |
| 02:32.05 | lstarnes | well you also need the right permissions on the mountpoint and whatever you're mounting |
| 02:32.22 | Engywuck | no, trysten. the group membership is only checked when logging in. |
| 02:32.24 | jmosco | ahh |
| 02:32.28 | jmosco | have a good night everyone |
| 02:32.31 | trysten | >.< thanks Engywuck |
| 02:32.35 | trysten | g'night jmosco |
| 02:32.39 | Engywuck | but otoh this is sometimes done when opening a console window, so... |
| 02:33.16 | Engywuck | I usually open a console window and try from there when adding myself to a new group |
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| 02:33.44 | lstarnes | opening a new console window usually doesn't reload group status |
| 02:33.51 | Engywuck | you can check with the "groups" command f you are in the new group |
| 02:33.59 | Engywuck | well, depends :D |
| 02:34.00 | trysten | i did sh# su $USER |
| 02:34.23 | Engywuck | yep, that does the trick. as does ssh localhost :D |
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| 02:34.39 | trysten | laughs outloud |
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| 02:35.23 | Engywuck | or just a "login" |
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| 02:36.22 | Engywuck | or a "bash -l" |
| 02:36.33 | Engywuck | he last one I'm not sure |
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| 02:38.40 | v2 | Hi, somebody can tell me how can i upload a folder to an ftp server ? |
| 02:38.50 | v2 | i tried ftp but it seem's not hacking this option |
| 02:39.00 | peterrooney | v2, mput |
| 02:39.07 | Engywuck | methinks thats not officially part of ftp |
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| 02:39.24 | Engywuck | but several tools can do so recursively |
| 02:40.19 | Engywuck | try curl |
| 02:40.52 | gnarface | v2: try lftp if your current ftp program doesn't support mput |
| 02:41.08 | gnarface | v2: (or doesn't implement directory recursion for it) |
| 02:43.18 | Engywuck | for scripting I'd prefer curl, for interactive try different ftp programs. ncftp was quite nice some years ago |
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| 02:45.22 | v2 | ty all |
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| 02:45.51 | riexstar | Hello, do somebody know a guide for compile a another kernel for ubuntu 11.10? :) |
| 02:46.03 | lstarnes | riexstar: I think you want #ubuntu |
| 02:46.18 | riexstar | :p |
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| 02:53.31 | bs0d | successfully backported nvidia drivers 290.1 to squeeze |
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| 02:55.38 | docgnome | I know I've done this before but I forget how... how can I install all available font packages? |
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| 03:01.45 | Engywuck | sorry, doc, don't know. except some scripting with searching for all packages containing "font" in their name or something like that |
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| 03:02.15 | docgnome | it was some bash trick iirc |
| 03:02.33 | docgnome | like aptitude install font-* but ya know, one that works heh |
| 03:03.01 | Engywuck | but I finally know what cmp -b means with its output "270 M-8 70 8" - first and third are octal(!) values of the differing bytes, second and fourth are the values |
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| 03:07.32 | manganese | Was it "apt-get install 'fonts-*'"? |
| 03:08.23 | simonlnu | becaus, you know, that would work... ;) |
| 03:08.25 | simonlnu | e |
| 03:08.26 | manganese | Hrm. possibly not -- that'll miss the ttf-* fonts |
| 03:08.41 | Engywuck | pffft, too easy |
| 03:09.06 | simonlnu | yeh well, they're standardising the font package names still |
| 03:09.51 | manganese | apt-cache search fonts | cut -f 1 -d ' ' | while read package; do apt-get install -y $package; done # insane overkill |
| 03:10.31 | Engywuck | aptitude search fonts | grep -v "^i " | grep "^....fonts" | sed "s/.\{4\}\(fonts[a-zA-Z0-9\.\-]*\).*/\1/" | xargs aptitude install |
| 03:10.43 | Engywuck | more insane overkill |
| 03:11.14 | manganese | xargs would have improved mine. it's 3am. That's my excuse and I'm sticking to it. |
| 03:11.15 | Engywuck | why use cut when you can easily complicate things |
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| 03:11.35 | simonlnu | Engywuck: hehe |
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| 03:11.50 | etrask | Hello, what package to I have to install in squeeze to get the gcc manpages? they didn't come with build-essential apparently |
| 03:11.55 | Engywuck | manganese, we both profit from not having spaces in package names |
| 03:12.28 | simonlnu | etrask: they're in non-free iirc |
| 03:12.42 | etrask | really? why? |
| 03:12.55 | Engywuck | because of GFDL license? |
| 03:13.03 | sbingner | anybody know why building netboot is failing like so: http://pastie.org/private/pzpzupsouauszpz1gyg23g ? -- apparently the custom apt download isn't finding packages that exist in the debian-installer source but I don't know how to make it find them |
| 03:13.48 | manganese | Engywuck: Yep. 'sed -e "s/ - .\+$//"' in place of cut in mine should protect my original incantation from that, though (provided " - " never appears in a package name) |
| 03:13.57 | etrask | when I try 'apt-get install gcc-doc' I get "Package gcc-doc is not available, but is referred to by another package. This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or is only available from another source " |
| 03:14.03 | Engywuck | BFDL is debian-non-free, if containing invariant sections. GNU loves to have these sections. |
| 03:14.13 | Engywuck | GFDL |
| 03:14.21 | Engywuck | 4am here. my excuse :D |
| 03:14.52 | etrask | feels awkward having to enable the nonfree rep to get manpages but I DO need them |
| 03:14.55 | Engywuck | !gcc-doc |
| 03:14.55 | dpkg | The man pages for <gcc> are in non-free, as they are released under the <GFDL> with invariant sections, so they do not meet the <DFSG>. To install, ask me about <non-free sources> and install the gcc-doc package. If you are looking for man pages for printf, strchr etc then install the manpages-dev package. |
| 03:15.12 | sbingner | got it |
| 03:15.26 | sbingner | the stupid custom-created sources.list.udeb was pointing at unstable instead of stable |
| 03:15.27 | etrask | !non-free sources |
| 03:15.27 | dpkg | Edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main Debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then aptitude update. But bear in mind that you'll be installing <non-free> software. These may have onerous terms; check the licenses. See also <sources.list>. |
| 03:16.14 | Engywuck | one of the *obvious* errors one finds at first glance, sbinger ;-) |
| 03:16.43 | Engywuck | !gfdl |
| 03:16.43 | dpkg | [gfdl] The GNU "Free" Documentation License, considered <non-free> by Debian in some cases. Read the discussion at http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2003/debian-legal-200309/msg00169.html and http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2003/debian-legal-200304/msg00246.html . See the position statement at http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/Position_Statement.html and resolution at http://www.debian.org/vote/2006/vote_001 |
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| 03:17.04 | Engywuck | if you have too much time: these discussions were great :D |
| 03:17.20 | etrask | So what lines do I need to add to my sources.list to get the latest non-free repository? [on squeeze] |
| 03:18.05 | Engywuck | no new line |
| 03:18.07 | manganese | Just add non-free to the end of everything that's currently in there |
| 03:18.21 | Engywuck | just add non-free at your general lines |
| 03:18.25 | manganese | eg, "deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main contrib " becomes "deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main contrib non-free" |
| 03:18.30 | Engywuck | and live with the shame :D |
| 03:18.35 | etrask | ah, okay |
| 03:18.39 | etrask | pfft, shame |
| 03:18.51 | etrask | the GFDL is fine by me :P |
| 03:18.59 | manganese | has the shame (stupid wireless cards and their buggy firmware) |
| 03:19.48 | Engywuck | has shame, too. non-free firmware :( |
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| 03:20.12 | etrask | luckily this instance of debian is running on my older-than-dirt laptop [which is now my server]. All the fw seems to work fine :D |
| 03:20.21 | homekevin | So earlier today I couldn't install because the driver for my wireless card is missing in the install CD (rt61pci). |
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| 03:21.09 | homekevin | I downloaded the kernel package, extracted the module from there, put it on a USB (along with the firmware), and got it going in no time. |
| 03:21.11 | etrask | alright thanks for the help Engywuck, simonlnu, and manganese! |
| 03:21.40 | manganese | homecable: Not so much "missing" as "excluded" -- it's in the firmware-ralink package in non-free |
| 03:21.43 | homekevin | I had major doubts that it was going to work, but it was practically no trouble at all |
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| 03:22.09 | homekevin | manganese: Assuming you meant me, I imagine the firmware is there, not the driver. |
| 03:22.32 | manganese | oops, yes, I did. too eager on the tab-complete. |
| 03:22.46 | homekevin | The driver is in the linux-image-versian-arch package |
| 03:22.48 | manganese | also, yes |
| 03:23.07 | manganese | assumed you meant firmware |
| 03:23.27 | homekevin | But it's just missing on the install CD, perhaps because it won't work anyway due to the missing firmware. |
| 03:23.39 | homekevin | Though the firmware is at least easy to add. |
| 03:24.12 | homekevin | I guess the driver is too, but you do have to get the right kernel version and architecture (at least) |
| 03:24.37 | homekevin | And it has to be build with the same gcc, I think? |
| 03:24.49 | homekevin | Anyway, not so much of a problem with Stable, I guess. |
| 03:25.52 | Engywuck | drivers for network won't need to work at install time. they just have to be easy to add afterwards with installed packages |
| 03:26.23 | Engywuck | oh, and for fun test the vrms program (virtual RMS, although it's views are more DFSG as RMS :D) |
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| 03:38.05 | docgnome | manganese: ah. apt-get install fonts-* works but aptitude does not |
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| 03:40.52 | rypervenche | docgnome: aptitude install ~nfonts- |
| 03:41.29 | rypervenche | docgnome: Actually, make it ~n^fonts- |
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| 03:42.46 | rypervenche | docgnome: And I would recommend sticking to aptitude only if you plan on using it. It's log file is better and you will have fewer dependency problems if you do not switch back and forth. |
| 03:42.57 | rypervenche | s/It's/Its/ |
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| 03:44.07 | manganese | rypervenche: Presumably you mean "~n^.?fonts-" (assuming xfonts- packages are required) |
| 03:44.29 | docgnome | i pretty much always use aptitude |
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| 03:45.12 | rypervenche | manganese: Yeah, I wasn't thinking of those. |
| 03:45.38 | hikenboot | is there some default maximum number ethernet cards debian will detect...I have 9 but only six seem to be detected |
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| 03:45.50 | hikenboot | its the newest ones that arnt detected |
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| 03:49.18 | homekevin | Engywuck: How would you install without a network connection? |
| 03:49.44 | homekevin | I mean, presumably with the full CD set you could do it. |
| 03:49.45 | hikenboot | Engywuck: with the dvd set for debian |
| 03:49.58 | homekevin | Or the full DVD. |
| 03:50.23 | hikenboot | homekevin: isnt it on multiple dvd's now? |
| 03:51.32 | homekevin | I don't know, I've always used the netinst CD |
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| 03:58.50 | jnewt | can someone help me to troubleshoot xrdp with no messages in it's error log? I try to connect from a windows machine, and I just get a black screen (although it does have a cursor. it started when i upgreded from lenny to squeeze, along with sever other broken functionalities. |
| 03:59.02 | jnewt | sever ->several |
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| 04:03.21 | hikenboot | is there a way to force udev to redetect hardware it seems to be missing my dual port nic card which is an intel it doesnt even list it with lspci I have 9 network cards total 7 are detected |
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| 04:11.41 | Engywuck | <homekevin> Engywuck: How would you install without a network connection? <--- USB? cable-bound network instead of wireless? self-burned CDs? Sure, for a diskless server in a datacenter a thousand miles behind nowhere nit the first choices, but for these you rther need firmware-nonfree and/or do't use netinst |
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| 04:12.48 | Engywuck | hikenboot, udev tests /sys for devices. Is it in there? what does dmesg tell? |
| 04:12.55 | Engywuck | perhaps there's no driver for it? |
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| 04:23.48 | dill_ | having troubles with wifi |
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| 04:24.09 | dill_ | it does not detect the device |
| 04:24.55 | dill_ | anybody there |
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| 04:28.04 | dill_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:29.01 | Harzilein | pf1rs1ch2 |
| 04:29.52 | simonlnu | maybe you need firmware? |
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| 04:30.04 | dill_ | ok? |
| 04:31.04 | simonlnu | lspci -nn | grep yourdevice |
| 04:31.11 | LtL | dill_: and/or a driver |
| 04:31.41 | simonlnu | yeh |
| 04:32.07 | Rusty1 | tis a wireless card? |
| 04:32.14 | dill_ | laptop |
| 04:32.41 | Rusty1 | iwconfig, as root show a wlan0 |
| 04:33.08 | dill_ | no wireless extensions |
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| 04:33.58 | LtL | dill_: lspci -nn | grep -i ethernet paste the one line here |
| 04:34.05 | Rusty1 | chipset known, per lspci ? |
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| 04:34.27 | dill_ | 4358 |
| 04:34.34 | dill_ | if that helps |
| 04:34.42 | Rusty1 | broadcomm? |
| 04:34.50 | Rusty1 | bc43xx |
| 04:34.51 | LtL | dill_: we need a bus id number |
| 04:34.53 | dill_ | yes |
| 04:35.18 | Rusty1 | got wired to the laptop ? |
| 04:35.20 | dill_ | 02:00.0 |
| 04:35.40 | dill_ | is that it |
| 04:36.53 | simonlnu | no. he said paste the whole line. please do so. |
| 04:37.03 | LtL | dill_: you likely need b43-fwcutter package firmware, no that's not it, it will appear like this: [8086:108b] |
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| 04:37.51 | Harzilein | hmm |
| 04:38.04 | dill_ | Ltl i do not see a number like that |
| 04:38.06 | LtL | dill_: type /exec -o lspci -nn |grep -i ethernet [hit enter] |
| 04:38.36 | LtL | in your irc client |
| 04:38.59 | simonlnu | !bc43xx |
| 04:39.05 | simonlnu | !bc43 |
| 04:39.13 | Harzilein | hmm |
| 04:39.13 | simonlnu | dpkg: test |
| 04:39.13 | dpkg | Test failed. |
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| 04:39.31 | Harzilein | after updating wheezy my root fs is no longer remounted rw at start |
| 04:39.40 | Harzilein | any idea where to kick to make it work again? |
| 04:39.59 | simonlnu | fsck it? check smart status? |
| 04:40.20 | Harzilein | simonlnu: i am assuming that it's related to the update, not broken fs/hw |
| 04:40.25 | dill_ | no such file or directory |
| 04:40.57 | LtL | dill_: type that line right in your irc client, where you type now |
| 04:41.10 | simonlnu | Harzilein: well it should work regardless. without more info we can only guess ;) |
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| 04:41.51 | dill_ | 02:00.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8101E/RTL8102E PCI Express Fast Ethernet controller [10ec:8136] (rev 02) |
| 04:41.54 | dill_ | 03:00.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Atheros Communications Inc. AR242x / AR542x Wireless Network Adapter (PCI-Express) [168c:001c] (rev 01) |
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| 04:42.14 | simonlnu | ,pciids 168c:001c |
| 04:42.21 | simonlnu | ,pciid 168c:001c |
| 04:42.22 | judd | [168c:001c] is 'AR242x / AR542x Wireless Network Adapter (PCI-Express)' from 'Atheros Communications Inc.' with kernel module 'ath5k' in squeeze. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=168c:001c http://wiki.debian.org/ath5k |
| 04:42.31 | simonlnu | !ath5k |
| 04:42.31 | dpkg | ath5k is a completely free (no proprietary HAL) driver supporting PCI/PCI-E 802.11a/bg wireless LAN devices with Atheros chips. It does not require firmware from userspace. See http://wiki.debian.org/ath5k for more information and supported devices. For 802.11n PCI/PCI-E device support, ask me about <ath9k>. |
| 04:42.38 | dill_ | this is a diferent laptop though |
| 04:42.54 | simonlnu | ... |
| 04:43.10 | dill_ | lol |
| 04:43.41 | LtL | dill_: well, we need the laptop that doesnt work, look for those characters in brackets on it and tell us |
| 04:44.32 | dill_ | like i said i do not have those numbers |
| 04:44.49 | dill_ | i have 02:00.0 |
| 04:45.01 | dill_ | and thats it |
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| 04:45.22 | bs0d | please help me out. I've run into trouble |
| 04:45.28 | LtL | dill_: um, where is this laptop with wireless that does not function? |
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| 04:46.03 | bs0d | I have 3 broken packages in the system ( metacity 1.2.34, libmetacity-dev 1.2.45 and libmetacity-private0 1:2.30 ... |
| 04:46.07 | dill_ | oh wait i see it l4e4:4358 |
| 04:46.18 | bs0d | I cannot remove them, as this removes the whole gnome, |
| 04:46.25 | bs0d | what should I do with those now? |
| 04:46.54 | LtL | ,pciid l4e4:4358 |
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| 04:47.32 | LtL | ,pciids l4e4:4358 |
| 04:47.44 | LtL | hrm |
| 04:47.50 | dill_ | with or without the s |
| 04:47.58 | LtL | judd: pciid l4e4:4358 |
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| 04:48.18 | Harzilein | btw, can i change my cgroup line in /etc/fstab to none /sys/fs/cgroup cgroup defaults 0 0 instead of cgroup /sys/fs/cgroup cgroup defaults 0 0? my editor's syntax highlighting likes that better ;) |
| 04:48.18 | LtL | ok what the heck am i doing wrong |
| 04:48.31 | LtL | ,pciid l4e4:4358 |
| 04:48.52 | nsadmin | judd: test |
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| 04:49.16 | LtL | judd is lagged bad |
| 04:49.40 | LtL | dill_: be patient :) |
| 04:49.46 | dill_ | lol |
| 04:50.17 | LtL | really really lagged, no ping response yet |
| 04:50.55 | pinkus | is removing the executable status of gdm the best way to disable the graphical login? |
| 04:51.03 | dill_ | what are you trying to do |
| 04:51.09 | pinkus | in /etc/init.d/gdm |
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| 04:51.46 | nsadmin | you can edit its config files, you can remove the package |
| 04:51.48 | pinkus | just wondering if there was a 'cleaner' way to use text-only booting |
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| 04:52.08 | nsadmin | changing a file owned by a package isn't a good idea |
| 04:52.20 | pinkus | i dont always need a gui, so i like to have the option of running startx when i do need one |
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| 04:52.36 | nsadmin | then remove gdm |
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| 04:52.38 | LtL | wiki.debian.org isn't responding either |
| 04:52.46 | nsadmin | using dpkg |
| 04:52.47 | dill_ | disable gdm at startup |
| 04:53.10 | pinkus | i'll give that a try, thanks. |
| 04:53.12 | LtL | dill_: we're trying to find the correct module for your device |
| 04:53.32 | dill_ | i dont even know anymore |
| 04:53.37 | nsadmin | !udd |
| 04:53.37 | dpkg | The Ultimate Debian Database (UDD) is an effort to gather lots of useful information about Debian from a variety of sources and stuff it all into a giant PostgreSQL database. http://wiki.debian.org/UltimateDebianDatabase http://udd.debian.org/ |
| 04:54.23 | nsadmin | stuff THAT into your database and query it! |
| 04:55.25 | dill_ | i kow that i do not receive a signal |
| 04:55.35 | nsadmin | perhaps the db isn't running or not running properly |
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| 04:55.44 | dill_ | know* |
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| 04:57.25 | dill_ | and i think i messed up my ethernet contoller in the process |
| 04:57.52 | dill_ | which is an atheros |
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| 04:59.07 | dill_ | networkmanage states i have no devices avaible |
| 04:59.26 | LtL | wiki.debian.org is hosed atm |
| 04:59.35 | LtL | 500 error |
| 04:59.55 | LtL | ,pciid l4e4:4358 |
| 05:00.37 | dill_ | im on debians wiki now |
| 05:01.09 | LtL | dill_: yeah, i can't get a huge db page to retrieve though |
| 05:01.26 | LtL | and i did get a server error |
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| 05:01.47 | LtL | sunday nights this kinda stuff seems to happen, dunno why |
| 05:01.58 | LtL | still no ping from judd |
| 05:04.28 | nsadmin | install postgres, get the dump from the above addr, restore from the dump, query away |
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| 05:06.29 | LtL | it's not in /usr/share/misc/pci.ids either |
| 05:06.35 | LtL | damnit |
| 05:06.49 | LtL | 500 server error from wiki |
| 05:07.07 | LtL | again, sorry about banging enter. |
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| 05:07.43 | LtL | dill_: does it say broadcom b43 in that line? |
| 05:07.49 | hikenboot | not sure if its debian or my hardware but I cant seem to get it to detect 2 out of 9 nic cards its an igb driver required its a super micro AOC-SG-I2 ROHS ...anyone have any experience with this network card on linux |
| 05:08.04 | hikenboot | its a supermicro motherboard as well |
| 05:08.17 | dill_ | hold on i had to restart |
| 05:10.00 | hikenboot | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1858088 <--found these non working directions (cant find the thing they refer to as [flip] in the apt-get install line and netdriverinfo.sh gives many errors |
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| 05:13.20 | LtL | in a /msg judd says, Error: I don't know what you mean by PCI Id 'l4e4:4358'. 0000:0000 is my preferred format |
| 05:14.24 | LtL | ,pciid l4e4:4358 |
| 05:14.48 | dill_ | maybe its a 1 |
| 05:15.02 | LtL | ,pciid 14e4:4358 |
| 05:15.03 | judd | [14e4:4358] is 'BCM43227 802.11b/g/n' from 'Broadcom Corporation' with no known kernel module in squeeze or in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=14e4:4358 |
| 05:15.15 | dill_ | lol |
| 05:15.20 | LtL | looks like you're right |
| 05:15.26 | dill_ | sorry |
| 05:15.42 | LtL | np |
| 05:15.58 | LtL | dill_: but it doesnt look good |
| 05:16.08 | dill_ | oh? |
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| 05:16.37 | LtL | dill_: are you running squeeze? |
| 05:16.46 | dill_ | no ubuntu |
| 05:16.53 | dill_ | for now |
| 05:16.56 | LtL | ew dude |
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| 05:17.31 | dill_ | i know i more about lmde or debian but its not my laptop |
| 05:18.19 | LtL | dill_: well, possibly ubuntu has a driver |
| 05:19.26 | LtL | dill_: so I'm afraid you'll need to ask in #ubuntu and you will likely need to get b43-fwcutter which I think ubuntu may have |
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| 05:19.47 | dill_ | thanks all |
| 05:19.58 | LtL | dill_: good luck man |
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| 05:21.24 | LtL | makes sense judd only understands hex, no wonder L didn't work |
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| 05:27.45 | LtL | hikenboot: could the cards be bad? |
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| 05:28.30 | dill_ | this is why people hate ubuntu |
| 05:28.43 | LtL | dill_: nah |
| 05:29.05 | LtL | it's broadcom we hate really :) |
| 05:29.13 | LtL | teh suck |
| 05:29.31 | dill_ | yes but no one seemed to want to help |
| 05:29.52 | LtL | I have one also, its atleast 10 years old and works so i can't complain |
| 05:30.22 | LtL | dill_: it's late in the US, I dunno |
| 05:30.37 | dill_ | 11:30 here |
| 05:30.50 | LtL | dill_: same here |
| 05:30.53 | dill_ | there are still people on |
| 05:31.19 | dill_ | they are talking about video games |
| 05:31.54 | LtL | dill_: I would do something but debian has no module for that chipset, and nothing says it would run under ubuntu anyway |
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| 05:32.14 | dill_ | i understand |
| 05:32.31 | LtL | dill_: I take it #ubuntu isn't helping? |
| 05:32.47 | dill_ | nope |
| 05:32.56 | dill_ | im being ignored |
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| 05:33.35 | LtL | dill_: do this, in a terminal type apt-cache search b43-fwcutter |
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| 05:35.01 | LtL | dill_: is the broadcom laptop on a wired ethernet right now per chance? |
| 05:35.10 | dill_ | nope |
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| 05:35.33 | LtL | dill_: cuz you will quite likely need that firmware |
| 05:35.39 | dill_ | whats the name of the chipset |
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| 05:36.46 | LtL | dill_: the bus id is l4e4:4358 a 'BCM43227 802.11b/g/n' from 'Broadcom Corporation |
| 05:37.36 | LtL | dill_: wait change the l to 1 |
| 05:38.45 | LtL | it's a broadcom bcm meaning broadcom mobile i assume, fairly new since it supports 802.11 n |
| 05:39.38 | freaky[t] | where are the shutdown scripts? i need to save a ramdisc to hdd when shutting down |
| 05:39.49 | LtL | dill_: but bcm 43 series should be able to use the firmware |
| 05:40.06 | LtL | i can't guarentee it though |
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| 05:41.56 | somiaj | freaky[t]: init (and thus shutdown) scripts use the LSB script system. all the scripts are located in /etc/init.d/ -- check out the readme there |
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| 05:42.14 | somiaj | freaky[t]: then use update-rc.d to put the links in the desired runlevels, one is for shuting down |
| 05:42.23 | LtL | freaky[t]: /etc/init.d/ifupdown i think |
| 05:42.45 | ToxicTuxer | LtL, no |
| 05:43.10 | ToxicTuxer | That's just for the network interface |
| 05:43.17 | LtL | ToxicTuxer: ok, in the runlevels /etc/rc3.d/ somewhere |
| 05:43.19 | somiaj | LtL: he'll probabaly want to write his own script, and then set up the LSBheader to put it in the right spot |
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| 05:43.31 | somiaj | well it will be rcS.d for shutdown. |
| 05:43.41 | LtL | ah |
| 05:44.04 | somiaj | http://wiki.debian.org/LSBInitScripts |
| 05:44.08 | LtL | ToxicTuxer: sorry |
| 05:44.29 | LtL | freaky[t]: sorry about that |
| 05:45.16 | Harzilein | simonlnu: nopes, no fs error. |
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| 05:45.51 | Harzilein | simonlnu: only way i can get rw / at boot is to change kernel parameters, which can't be the intended way to do it |
| 05:46.22 | Engywuck | isn't 6 reboot and S Single-User? |
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| 05:46.48 | Harzilein | remount of / is _not_ handled by /etc/init.d/mountall.sh , isn't it? |
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| 05:48.27 | Engywuck | http://refspecs.linuxbase.org/LSB_4.1.0/LSB-Core-generic/LSB-Core-generic/runlevels.html |
| 05:48.56 | LtL | Engywuck: 6 was reboot in redhat but debian is all different, /etc/rcS.d/ is for shutdown. somiaj is right |
| 05:49.31 | ToxicTuxer | 0 shutdown, 6 reboot, S single user mode |
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| 05:49.57 | docgnome | so... When ever i try to play sounds through amarok or mplayer i get very scratchy noise in the background. sound from flash however plays perfectly |
| 05:49.59 | docgnome | any ideas? |
| 05:50.16 | LtL | I better be quiet. |
| 05:50.20 | Engywuck | strange. I have the feeling of having all my life used "init 6" for manual reboots in debian |
| 05:50.48 | Engywuck | ah, thanks ToxicTuxer should read more than one line at once |
| 05:51.04 | somiaj | yea I could have mixed up which one is which, I'd double check the documentation |
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| 05:51.45 | simonlnu | Harzilein: check fstab, and `mount' |
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| 05:51.52 | ToxicTuxer | freaky[t], I would create the script in /etc/init.d/ and links in rc0.d and rc6.d |
| 05:52.39 | somiaj | freaky[t]: make sure your read that LSB link, put correct headers in it and allow update-rc.d to put the links in for you |
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| 05:53.51 | somiaj | freaky[t]: http://wiki.debian.org/LSBInitScripts/DependencyBasedBoot -- another nice read if you want to undersatnd the new debian boot/shutdown sequence |
| 05:54.24 | somiaj | (oh speaking of which I need to rember to tell people insserv over update-rc.d) |
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| 05:54.58 | docgnome | hrm... the sound issues seem to be specific to mp3 files |
| 05:55.03 | ToxicTuxer | Yes, and taking into account that Debian is not LSB compatible, AKAIK |
| 05:55.14 | somiaj | docgnome: could it be your mp3 player? |
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| 05:57.43 | docgnome | hrm... well it's not that actually... when i have pulseaudio started... the problem shows up. soon as i kill it, it goes away. |
| 05:58.12 | docgnome | as in /etc/init.d/pulseaudio start and i have a problem. /etc/init.d/pulseaudio stop and it goes away |
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| 05:58.39 | simonlnu | ToxicTuxer: you mean compliant maybe. not completely no. |
| 06:00.31 | docgnome | hrm.... and multiplexing works with pulseaudio stopped huh |
| 06:00.38 | Harzilein | simonlnu: i added an explicit rw option in fstab last time i tried. |
| 06:01.14 | ToxicTuxer | simonlnu, yes, I meant compliant, sorry |
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| 06:01.21 | Harzilein | simonlnu: btw, i was intentionally not referencing you with my last message. |
| 06:01.53 | Harzilein | simonlnu: don't want to be thankless but "check 'mount'" is a bit offensive |
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| 06:02.37 | Harzilein | of course i know how to manually remount rw, but something seems to be wrong with the start scripts |
| 06:04.06 | Harzilein | the update changed me from device name based to uuid based fstab btw. i don't know if it might be related, i assumed whatever remounts / (still noone who can tell me if /etc/init.d/mountall.sh also should do that?) would just look at the mount point |
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| 06:10.15 | ToxicTuxer | Harzilein, I don't know what problem do you have, but the rw remount of / is done by /etc/init.d/checkroot.sh |
| 06:12.28 | ToxicTuxer | Harzilein, ...which is run each time because it has a link in /etc/rcS.d/ |
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| 06:14.25 | Harzilein | ToxicTuxer: ... |
| 06:14.32 | Harzilein | ToxicTuxer: i'm aware of the latter |
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| 06:45.37 | bogner | I would like to install some packages from non-free (namely, gnu documentation), but I don't really want to add non-free as a source, since it has a bunch of other stuff I don't want. Is there a simple way to do this? |
| 06:46.16 | NishaKitty | does anyone know a good way to launch a command from a bash shell without tieing up that bash? |
| 06:46.22 | NishaKitty | I am using command & echo Done |
| 06:46.29 | NishaKitty | anyone know a better way? |
| 06:47.21 | bogner | NishaKitty, `command &` is the best way to do that |
| 06:47.27 | NishaKitty | bogner: ok thank you |
| 06:47.37 | bogner | (where the backticks are just quoting it, don't type those) |
| 06:47.52 | NishaKitty | yep |
| 06:48.06 | LtL | bogner: why not just add the repo and just d/l the docs? |
| 06:48.58 | bogner | LtL, It's just that it won't be obvious that things are from there when I search for things in the future |
| 06:49.57 | bogner | I guess docs probably don't have much for dependencies, so I guess I could just find the deb packages and just use dpkg to install them |
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| 06:50.27 | LtL | bogner: http://www.gnu.org/doc/doc.html |
| 06:50.59 | bogner | well, specifically, I want `man gcc` to work |
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| 06:51.43 | fredl | ' morning |
| 06:52.38 | fredl | folks, it looks like the squeeze 64 bit installer does not recognize my disk drives. |
| 06:53.06 | LtL | bogner: apt-cache search gcc shows many doc packages, but i do have non-free |
| 06:53.21 | fredl | the controller reports itself as: 00:1f.2 RAID bus controller: Intel Corporation 82801JIR (ICH10R) SATA RAID Controller |
| 06:53.30 | bogner | Yeah, gcc-doc is in non-free. I'll just add the repo. |
| 06:53.58 | LtL | bogner: its there |
| 06:54.02 | fredl | I'm not sure if 'RAID bus controller' is accurate as I have set it to do AHCI mode |
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| 06:54.38 | fredl | dont really want to be doing RAID on ICH10R :) |
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| 06:56.15 | ToxicTuxer | NishaKitty, see also nohup and screen |
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| 06:56.49 | fredl | also... I have an identical server running CentOS 5.5 still, and there the drives *are* detected so I' m a bit of a loss. |
| 06:57.35 | fredl | it would be so nice if anybody would want to help me troubleshoot this =) |
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| 06:57.59 | NishaKitty | ToxicTuxer: screen I know nohup I don't will look at the manual |
| 06:58.26 | NishaKitty | oh |
| 06:58.31 | NishaKitty | probably don't want that in this case |
| 07:01.19 | ToxicTuxer | fredl, the lspci name is not very relevant, and it's ok because the "R" in ICH10R means it *can* do RAID (although it is not real hardware RAID) |
| 07:03.05 | ToxicTuxer | fredl, AHCI mode is perfect if you don't want to use the RAID. If another distro recognizes the drives, it could be lack of kernel support in the debian's one |
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| 07:08.18 | fredl | ToxicTuxer, I dont want to use the RAID as it's software RAID anyway and I could do that with dmraid if I wanted to. |
| 07:08.52 | fredl | that's why I changed it to AHCI. |
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| 07:09.31 | fredl | hmm, I'm first going to try something else, set it back to RAID and see if that makes it recognize anything, as these disks have been configured as RAID disks before. |
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| 07:10.33 | fredl | although I seriously believe my client should just junk this SuperMicro shit :P |
| 07:10.54 | fredl | but anyway, LOL |
| 07:10.59 | ToxicTuxer | fredl, ok, and it should also work in RAID mode even without an array created |
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| 07:14.28 | fredl | we'll see, got a PXE install setup so should be quick :) |
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| 07:15.02 | fredl | I remember vaguely having had to zero the raw disk partitions in the past to get rid of all RAID traces on them |
| 07:15.41 | fredl | hmm *sigh* doesn' t look like that made any difference :( |
| 07:16.11 | ToxicTuxer | fredl, launch a shell in the installer and check if fdisk shows it |
| 07:16.36 | ToxicTuxer | And also uname -a |
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| 07:17.13 | fredl | hmm first going into the Adaptec RAID bios that it fakes, see if there are any leftover RAID traces |
| 07:17.54 | KuntSlime | I want to drink Barack Obama's Diarrhea! |
| 07:18.04 | KuntSlime | what would he have to eat beforehand to positively affect the flavor? |
| 07:18.19 | KuntSlime | It is that I have a fantasy of having a powerful man poo his extraregular feces down my gullet! |
| 07:18.28 | KuntSlime | However, I know that I will never meet Barack Obama! |
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| 07:18.53 | KuntSlime | So, I am looking for a half-black lookalike on Craigslist that will be willing to crap his liquid poo down my throat! |
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| 07:19.02 | KuntSlime | anyhow... what should he eat beforehand? |
| 07:19.10 | fredl | 'k, removed the existing RAID1 and rebooting. |
| 07:19.16 | g2x3k | ill shit in your face its yellow due to galebladder infection but then you have something to comparewith |
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| 07:19.35 | KuntSlime | are you a mullato? |
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| 07:19.52 | KuntSlime | it only will taste good to me and turn me in if you look like barack obama |
| 07:20.04 | g2x3k | lol |
| 07:20.05 | KuntSlime | I fantasize about barack obama sticking his ass cheeks over my face |
| 07:20.15 | KuntSlime | and letting fly with his diarrhea into my mouth |
| 07:20.22 | KuntSlime | preferably with chunks of corn |
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| 07:23.44 | fredl | ToxicTuxer, still nothing :( fdisk does not show the disks either. uname -a show Linux nl3 2.6.32-5-amd64 #1 SMP Mon Oct 3 03:59:20 UTC 2011 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 07:24.42 | fredl | hmm I *am* actually seeing some more in dmesg now though |
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| 07:25.32 | KuntSlime | so waht would you all recommend for somebody to eat |
| 07:25.42 | KuntSlime | before shitting his or her diarrhea into a mouth? |
| 07:25.58 | KuntSlime | I wonder what foods provide the liquid regularpoo the best flavor. |
| 07:26.03 | ozzloy | what signal does a process get when its parent is killed? |
| 07:26.21 | fredl | SIGCHLD |
| 07:26.40 | ozzloy | oh, i thought the parent got that when the child was killed |
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| 07:27.07 | fredl | hmm, you are correct I think. Been a while that I used that. |
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| 07:28.57 | fredl | ToxicTuxer, the kernel now actually sees the ahci controller it seems, even though now it is still configured as RAID :P |
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| 07:30.19 | fredl | it also sees disks... ata1.00 and ata2.00 |
| 07:30.52 | fredl | problem is I can't cut and paste from this IPMI remote console :/ |
| 07:31.16 | fredl | because nowhere it says the (to me) familiar sda/sdb etc. |
| 07:31.32 | ToxicTuxer | lsblk? |
| 07:31.52 | fredl | that's not on the installer image. |
| 07:32.35 | ToxicTuxer | blkid |
| 07:32.45 | fredl | I see scsi 2:0:0:0: Attached scsi generic sg2 type 0 though |
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| 07:32.53 | kelvin | hi |
| 07:32.57 | fredl | blkid shows nothing |
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| 07:34.42 | fredl | is there anything I could do with the sg2/sg3 devices at this point? |
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| 07:35.45 | ToxicTuxer | fredl, are them block devices? Check /proc/partitions |
| 07:36.01 | fredl | the disks report themselves as ST950053NS |
| 07:36.31 | fredl | cat /proc/partitions gives no output |
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| 07:38.38 | simonlnu | Harzilein: no, i was wondering of the errors=remount-ro was present or not. wasn't meant to be offensive, was meant as "here's a helpful reminder" |
| 07:38.55 | fredl | it is not very likely that a relatively old Seagate disk that has been in this server for 1 1/2 year already would not be supported by the Linux kernel, right? |
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| 07:40.41 | simonlnu | um, you don't need drivers to access harddrives you need drivers to access the bus they're attached to. so no. |
| 07:41.13 | fredl | that's what I hoped for, morning simon :) |
| 07:41.35 | fredl | just a bit at a loss here, having probs getting the debian installer to recognize my disks. |
| 07:42.42 | ToxicTuxer | fredl, for erasing the RAID traces, you could have used wipefs from util-linux instead or before zeroing the block device. |
| 07:43.46 | fredl | ToxicTuxer - tnx, but on *this* system I have not done anything like that yet, as I cannot access the block devices yet. |
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| 07:44.36 | ToxicTuxer | I know, it was the consolation prize :) |
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| 07:45.38 | simonlnu | fredl: hi |
| 07:45.51 | fredl | so anyway... the kernel sees the generic scsi devices sg3 and sg3, these are identified in dmesg with the correct brand/type. Do you know of any other way to access these drives as the block devices they are? |
| 07:46.18 | simonlnu | well, the scsi generic is like last resort sort of deal |
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| 07:46.53 | simonlnu | so when you see that, you know you either have a scanner :P, or you you don't have the right module loaded |
| 07:48.00 | fredl | simonlnu, I have just temporarily put the drive controller in RAID emulation (ICH10R) to zap any existing RAID partitions that might be on there. Dont' want/need it as RAID and will revert back to AHCI again anyway, but just curious if at this point I can do something with the disks, like wipe any RAID traces. |
| 07:48.34 | simonlnu | ToxicTuxer covered it pretty well. you could try dd :P. *runs away* |
| 07:48.53 | fredl | from what I recall from last time I installed a server, the kernel actually saw the separate disks even when the controller was in RAID mode |
| 07:49.10 | ompaul | fredl: cat /dev/zero > /dev/device ? |
| 07:49.19 | ompaul | not device1a |
| 07:49.40 | fredl | ompaul - to /dev/sg2|3 ? |
| 07:49.54 | ToxicTuxer | I was searching for some util that forces the kernel to re-read the partitions for the disks, but I don't remember |
| 07:49.55 | fredl | I cant even dd if=/dev/sg2 simonlnu :P |
| 07:49.56 | ompaul | it will kill anything on disks |
| 07:50.32 | ompaul | fredl: if you can't do anything they may just be toast |
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| 07:51.13 | ToxicTuxer | fredl, you've told that the RAID mode faked an Adaptec BIOS. I think it should enable an Intel Matrix Storage BIOS instead, maybe that motherboard has 2 RAID controllers and you are choosing the wrong one? |
| 07:51.16 | fredl | ompaul, I'm not excluding that possibility. This blade *has* caused us some problems in the past that it would spontaneously crash. |
| 07:51.59 | ompaul | fredl: well if it is a blade it most likely has a contract to maintain it by external forces - give them some grief ;-) |
| 07:52.00 | fredl | I have always thought/hoped that maybe the kernel panics were caused by a corrupted rootfs |
| 07:52.25 | simonlnu | ToxicTuxer: sdparm, some of the scsi utils. but i wouldn't try those on ide/ata drives |
| 07:52.35 | fredl | ompaul, like I just said earlier, I think my client should just trash this Supermicro blade :P |
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| 07:52.58 | ompaul | good, now lets let the planet move one |
| 07:53.00 | ompaul | on |
| 07:53.00 | simonlnu | "we support a tiny subset of the actual scsi standard, so we'll make you _guess_" |
| 07:53.04 | ompaul | there is no hope :) |
| 07:53.07 | fredl | but, it's apparently a rather pricey investment :) |
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| 07:53.25 | ompaul | and broken tooboot or not too boot that is the question |
| 07:53.34 | simonlnu | supermicro? yes they are, in general |
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| 07:54.55 | fredl | ToxicTuxer, lemme switch it to Intel mode, maybe that will make any difference. |
| 07:55.17 | fredl | not a big fan of supermicro simon? |
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| 07:56.07 | fredl | well they're pricey, but not nearly as pricey usually as comparable Dells, let alone HP's or IBM |
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| 07:57.06 | ToxicTuxer | simonlnu, it was hdparm -z, which uses ATA commands instead. But I think there is another specific one |
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| 07:58.39 | simonlnu | sg3utils are something like that |
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| 07:59.56 | fredl | hmm, switching to Intel RAID mode made things worse it seems |
| 08:00.33 | fredl | hmm, nope, same. seeing the sg2|3 devices but otherwise identical |
| 08:01.13 | fredl | no partitions, no block devices, nada. |
| 08:01.39 | fredl | kinda annoying this *shrug* |
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| 08:02.26 | Harzilein | hmm |
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| 08:03.03 | Harzilein | does something already exist that produces a dpkg -l-like output but also adds the distribution from apt-cache policy? |
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| 08:04.10 | Harzilein | in that i mean i want to easily tell when there are packages mixed in from testing or sid |
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| 08:07.17 | ToxicTuxer | fredl, you can try: smartctl --scan or --scan-open |
| 08:07.50 | ToxicTuxer | In my current system, the stdout is: /dev/sda -d sat # /dev/sda [SAT], ATA device |
| 08:09.10 | obiwahn | Harzilein: apt-show-versions maybe |
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| 08:10.40 | ToxicTuxer | fredl, if nothing works, try the testing installer or try to replace the installer kernel with the 3.2 in the squeeze-backports repo |
| 08:10.52 | fredl | no smartctl on the installer image either. |
| 08:11.09 | fredl | yeah was thinking about doing that myself. |
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| 08:11.13 | Harzilein | obiwahn: ah, right, thanks :) |
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| 08:11.43 | Harzilein | btw, is there a console ui for adding backports to the sources.list? |
| 08:12.28 | Harzilein | as in, i'd like to avoid having to know about the location |
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| 08:14.01 | ToxicTuxer | Harzilein, dpkg-query allows custom output format |
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| 08:14.31 | obiwahn | Harzilein: you should add as few as possible untrusted sources ... it is dangerous as you install untrusted stuff with root privs ... |
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| 08:16.18 | Harzilein | obiwahn: no need for a warning there |
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| 08:17.09 | Harzilein | obiwahn: also i would not call bdo "untrusted" |
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| 08:18.37 | obiwahn | what is that? |
| 08:19.51 | Harzilein | obiwahn: backports.debian.org |
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| 08:20.30 | Harzilein | obiwahn: what i'm looking for is an ui that just lets me "enable backports" or something |
| 08:21.21 | fredl | ugh, no debian-installer pkg in squeeze-backports, bummer. |
| 08:21.46 | fredl | well, hmm |
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| 08:22.08 | jelly-home | Harzilein: well, the manual configuration is a sort of deterrent to adding extra sources. |
| 08:22.24 | jelly-home | I don't have an answer tho. |
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| 08:23.28 | fredl | I guess I can just use the 3.2 kernel with the 2.6.32 installer initrd.... |
| 08:24.07 | jelly-home | !ops Snarbafulator private msg gnaa spam |
| 08:24.07 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: jelly-home complains about: Snarbafulator private msg gnaa spam |
| 08:25.14 | jelly-home | thanks to the unseen hand! |
| 08:25.35 | maxd | hi, i'm trying to install MicroXwin in virtual debian 6.0.3. when I get to starting that thing up, I get: "insmod: error inserting './x11.ko': -1 File exists '" |
| 08:25.38 | maxd | any ideas? |
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| 08:26.48 | jelly-home | maxd: what is "MicroXwin" and where are you downloading it from? |
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| 08:27.05 | maxd | jelly-home, http://www.microxwin.com/demo.html |
| 08:27.24 | maxd | it's replacement to x11 or something of that sord |
| 08:27.30 | maxd | sort* |
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| 08:28.25 | jelly-home | An alternative X server and Xlib. |
| 08:29.04 | dubphil | Hello ! Anyone is using LogAnalyser with rsyslog ? |
| 08:29.23 | jelly-home | maxd: I'm not sure why they're using insmod instead of modprobe. Verify whether the kernel module is already loaded. |
| 08:29.25 | fredl | Hmm, when it rains it pours. No keyboard when I boot the 3.2 kernel with the 2.6 initrd :/ |
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| 08:30.08 | jelly-home | fredl: you cannot mix and match kernels and initrds |
| 08:30.27 | jelly-home | any kernel modules inside the initrd will be unusable |
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| 08:31.41 | maxd | i have to do aditional reading about all this. basicly default x windows subsystem in almost all linux distros handles graphical things with noticable lag on my system. and if I want to get more familiar with linux in general, I have to run it as main system. |
| 08:32.12 | maxd | and if all gui is laggy (not responsive enough) that is not enjoyable |
| 08:32.13 | Harzilein | hmm... there is apt-add-repository, but it is mainly as an aid for ubuntu users to add ppas, there is no special support for debian multimedia, bpo and the likes |
| 08:32.23 | fredl | jelly - nope, that's what I'm finding out, LOL |
| 08:32.30 | Harzilein | :( |
| 08:32.44 | Harzilein | (regarding my search for a nice cli frontend to sources.list) |
| 08:32.57 | fredl | jelly - just dont have a 3.2 install initrd yet and just trying out stuff to see if it gets my disks detected :/ |
| 08:33.23 | maxd | in short - I have no idea at this point how to check if kernel module is loaded or not :< |
| 08:33.25 | jelly-home | Harzilein: sounds like you'll have to provide patches for that apt-add-repository thing to work better in a Debian environment? |
| 08:33.29 | maxd | no idea about insmod and modprobe |
| 08:33.56 | jelly-home | maxd: "lsmod" shows already loaded modules |
| 08:34.14 | Harzilein | jelly-home: i'm wondering if it's the right target. one would need to make it configurable then as to the kinds of shorthands it should support |
| 08:35.00 | Harzilein | wonder if there is even a name for the "wider d.o distribution" |
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| 08:35.54 | maxd | lsmod shows x11, but no x11.ko |
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| 08:37.02 | Yuqian | Hello everyone!i have a problem. |
| 08:37.09 | ToxicTuxer | maxd, what virtual machine and host are you using? |
| 08:37.25 | maxd | in microxwin directory there is file named x11.ko. but there is nothing in readme about what to do with it. |
| 08:37.40 | maxd | host - xp pro 32bit, guest - debian 6.03. |
| 08:37.49 | maxd | virtualbox as vm. |
| 08:37.59 | Harzilein | maxd: maxbe it's just the emulated video card does not allow for good 2d acceleration? |
| 08:38.10 | Harzilein | +that |
| 08:38.24 | maxd | maybe |
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| 08:39.11 | Harzilein | i mean, sometimes i know what windows user mean when they refer to the ui lagging, but most of the time it is just a system under high load |
| 08:39.24 | Harzilein | windows users* |
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| 08:40.01 | maxd | load should not be so high :< |
| 08:40.09 | maxd | even in xfce it's noticable |
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| 08:45.06 | jelly-home | <maxd> lsmod shows x11, but no x11.ko # maxd: that's it, means it's already there |
| 08:45.37 | maxd | so it is not used as suposed to |
| 08:45.46 | maxd | probably that microxwin build is too old |
| 08:45.51 | jelly-home | it's more like the scripts for microxwin are buggy |
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| 08:46.48 | VerizonHunny | WHO WANTS TO HELP ME ASSASSINATE QUEEN ELIZABETH II? |
| 08:46.51 | VerizonHunny | GOD DAMN THE QUEEN! |
| 08:46.55 | VerizonHunny | GOD DAMN HER TO HELL! |
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| 08:47.05 | jelly-home | maxd: you may try to unload the module (modprobe -r x11) then retry doing whatever command you were using when that error came up |
| 08:47.16 | ToxicTuxer | maxd, have you installed "Guest Additions" in the Debian guest? It's the package virtualbox-guest-additions-iso |
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| 08:47.26 | maxd | no I have not |
| 08:47.34 | maxd | good idea |
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| 08:49.40 | jelly-home | maxd: using an embedded X server may not be the best approach on an x86 system. Using the correct drivers for X.org is probably better |
| 08:49.41 | ToxicTuxer | maxd, http://www.virtualbox.org/manual/ch09.html#guestxorgsetup |
| 08:50.15 | fredl | dammit, what issit with racist spammers on freeonode today?!?! |
| 08:51.16 | Arafangion | fredl: What racist spammers? (I have a filter that prevents me from seeing unusually unintelligent bots) |
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| 08:52.34 | Yuqian | I have a problem about X |
| 08:52.38 | fredl | Arafangion, gotten two blurbs from white power freaks already calling up to vote 'against niggers' and that kinda shit. Only to see them get K-Lined shortly after, so at least somebody's payinig attention. |
| 08:53.13 | jelly-home | fredl: ignore them. They're not topical in here, so lets not give them undue attention. |
| 08:53.17 | Arafangion | fredl: I was trying to suggest that you should just ignore them, too, rather than venting about them. |
| 08:53.36 | fredl | heh, agreed. |
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| 08:57.54 | no_gravity | Hello! Does debian 6 come with some vnc-viewer preinstalled? |
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| 08:58.03 | maxd | jelly-home, i know. but why not to try it out :) |
| 08:58.16 | maxd | wow. progress. x started after guest addition install |
| 08:58.21 | Arafangion | no_gravity: Why would it? |
| 08:58.24 | Harzilein | no_gravity: you mean with some desktop task installed? |
| 08:58.28 | Arafangion | no_gravity: If you want it, install it. |
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| 08:58.34 | maxd | but just blank stuff |
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| 08:58.54 | Harzilein | no_gravity: if you installed the gnome desktop chances are you get remminga with it |
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| 08:59.26 | maxd | virtualbox wont grab mouse input |
| 08:59.29 | no_gravity | Harzilein: you mean remmina? |
| 08:59.30 | Harzilein | but i think you will only get core gnome utilities |
| 08:59.36 | Harzilein | yeah, sorry |
| 08:59.43 | hajosattila | Good morning everyone :) |
| 08:59.46 | Harzilein | word makes no sense to me, so easy to mistype |
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| 09:00.11 | Harzilein | and have muscle memory from icinga :) |
| 09:00.20 | no_gravity | Harzilein: its there. the man page of it is strange. it has no info. |
| 09:00.29 | Harzilein | no_gravity: it's a gui client |
| 09:01.02 | maxd | maybe there is bug in startup script as jelly mentioned |
| 09:01.04 | maxd | http://pastebin.com/5enu9NJ0 |
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| 09:01.12 | Yuqian | Er.. I startx from tty1,then Ctrl+Alt+F2,login.When I come back to tty1,X is alive,but I can only see the console. |
| 09:01.13 | Harzilein | no_gravity: i find jvncviewer a bit lacking of ui these days. i understand you might not need all that profile shit in remmina though |
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| 09:02.13 | Harzilein | Yuqian: you'll likely find your X session on vt7 |
| 09:02.16 | no_gravity | Harzilein: yeah, i would prefer "remmina --enable-ssh host:port" |
| 09:02.22 | Harzilein | Yuqian: x doess not replace your terminal session |
| 09:02.25 | Harzilein | does* |
| 09:03.03 | Harzilein | Yuqian: hmm |
| 09:03.12 | Yuqian | How to go to vt7 |
| 09:03.38 | Harzilein | Yuqian: doesn't have gnome a "connections" style interface that would allow starting remmina? maybe add a config there and look in ps what command line it generates |
| 09:03.40 | Yuqian | I dont know the key |
| 09:03.43 | hyppias | I have webmin om a local Debian server. when I access it via Firefox, FF warns me the connection is not trusted. What can I do about the warning? |
| 09:03.54 | Arafangion | Yuqian: From the console? alt+F7. |
| 09:03.55 | Harzilein | Yuqian: lessee, you went to VT1 with F1... |
| 09:04.04 | Harzilein | Yuqian: and to VT2 with F2... |
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| 09:04.26 | Yuqian | I will try, thanks: ) |
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| 09:04.55 | Nollo | hellpo |
| 09:05.05 | ToxicTuxer | hyppias, probably is just using an auto-signed certificate. If that's the cause, add it permanently |
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| 09:05.18 | Nollo | I would like to get help with Ruby on debian. I have a debian stable and I want to know how to get the lastest shining version of ruby/rails ? Do I have to install manually ? |
| 09:05.51 | hyppias | ToxicTuxer: thnx... how would I go about that? |
| 09:06.04 | hyppias | any good read? |
| 09:06.07 | Arafangion | Nollo: Depending on how shiny you want it, the correct debian way to do it might be with the simple sid backport. |
| 09:06.16 | Arafangion | Nollo: Ask dpkg about ssb. |
| 09:06.21 | Arafangion | Nollo: However... |
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| 09:06.47 | Arafangion | Nollo: The Ruby camp have their own way of doing this (naturally(!)), so depending on your focus, you may prefer to do it the ruby way. |
| 09:07.32 | Arafangion | Nollo: For that, I think you want to use the RVM, see http://www.ruby-lang.org/en/downloads/ |
| 09:08.15 | Nollo | Arafangion: I know debian is stable because you use the just the "validated" package, but I just need the newest package of ruby |
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| 09:08.25 | Yuqian | Oh, today is the lantern festival in China! |
| 09:08.27 | Nollo | Arafangion: so sid might be extreme for that |
| 09:08.37 | Nollo | Thanks for the "ruby way" info |
| 09:08.40 | Arafangion | Nollo: I'm *not* suggesting that you use a sid package. |
| 09:09.04 | Arafangion | Nollo: Mixing packages is unsupported. That said, a backport is different. |
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| 09:10.30 | ToxicTuxer | hyppias, in Firefox I think that you must "Get certificate" and then "Confirm security exception". The checkbox "Permanently store this exception" is enabled by default |
| 09:10.54 | Harzilein | no_gravity: doesn't have gnome a "connections" style interface that would allow starting remmina? maybe add a config there and look in ps what command line it generates |
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| 09:12.01 | Harzilein | no_gravity: i only use it with xfce4 atm and i can stand the profile approach more than the lack of, say, mouse capture, by jvncviewer |
| 09:12.37 | Nollo | Arafangion: I think RVM is going to be the solution, because it's RVM which installs the package and not me from ports |
| 09:14.46 | Harzilein | Nollo: i recommend you use the per user install of rvm though |
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| 09:15.50 | Harzilein | Nollo: also note that there are some haters in the rvm camp who will try to persuade you to uninstall your system ruby. |
| 09:16.19 | Arafangion | Definetly. If you use those tools, *always* do it per-user. |
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| 09:19.58 | Nollo | I guess I have to read some more docs to reinstall properly ruby :P |
| 09:20.02 | Nollo | Thanks for your help |
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| 09:20.51 | bs0d | Hello guys. |
| 09:21.35 | bs0d | I am searching for drivers for samsung printer. Can they be present in apt repository, or I need to download them somewhere else, like on the samsung offsite? |
| 09:22.01 | jelly-home | bs0d: have you googled for your exact model and linux already? |
| 09:22.09 | no_gravity | Harzilein: i used vinagre before and it just works. |
| 09:22.11 | Arafangion | Nollo: It's more that if you install a debian package that uses ruby, that package should expect to be able to use the system ruby. |
| 09:22.35 | Harzilein | no_gravity: that's in debian too |
| 09:22.51 | Harzilein | gah |
| 09:23.12 | Arafangion | Harzilein: Kids these days, eh? :) |
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| 09:28.57 | Harzilein | hmm |
| 09:29.16 | Harzilein | ins there something in xfce4 that prevents synthetic drag events to move windows? |
| 09:29.35 | Harzilein | i tried moving a window with keynav |
| 09:31.28 | ToxicTuxer | Harzilein, xdpyinfo |grep XTEST |
| 09:32.42 | ToxicTuxer | That's the extension used by keynav |
| 09:32.44 | Harzilein | ToxicTuxer: selecting in terminal works fine |
| 09:32.48 | Harzilein | ToxicTuxer: ikr |
| 09:33.06 | Harzilein | ToxicTuxer: i did not say "keynav does not work" |
| 09:33.34 | Harzilein | ToxicTuxer: but "xfce refuses to move a window when i drag its titlebar with keynav" |
| 09:34.08 | Harzilein | oh well, i'll stick to alt+f8 then |
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| 09:34.43 | ToxicTuxer | Harzilein, i know, but i don't trust the patient |
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| 09:36.13 | bs0d | jelly-home, yes, I have found the driver from the offsite. but it is in form of source code |
| 09:37.04 | bs0d | jelly-home I wondered if they are present in deb packages repository, I have looked for them but did not find anything appropriate |
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| 09:38.12 | snozek | i have a bootable USB drive (with windows 7) and i would like to create a bootable iso from it. does anyone know how to do that? |
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| 09:38.37 | Arafangion | snozek: You can get windows 7 on a USB now? |
| 09:38.53 | bs0d | Arafangion sure! |
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| 09:39.00 | snozek | Arafangion: yes, you can ;-) |
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| 09:39.21 | Arafangion | Interesting. |
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| 09:39.38 | Arafangion | MS must be copying Apple now. |
| 09:39.41 | Arafangion | (Again) |
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| 09:42.35 | bs0d | jelly-home is it possible to make a deb package from the sources I have downloaded? I would like to be able to remove and upgrade this driver from apt |
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| 09:43.43 | ToxicTuxer | Arafangion, copying the good is not bad |
| 09:43.44 | ToxicTuxer | Although Apple is not good :) |
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| 09:45.37 | ToxicTuxer | bs0d, checkinstall |
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| 09:47.36 | joar_ | Does anyone know how to disable the terminal beep? It is becoming _very_ annoying. |
| 09:48.06 | joar_ | I've tried some things, like modprobe -r pcspk snd_pcsp but to no avail. |
| 09:48.17 | ToxicTuxer | joar_, alsamixer and [M]ute the Beep channel |
| 09:48.50 | joar_ | ToxicTuxer: It should be mentioned that I currently do not have any graphics drivers on my machine. |
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| 09:51.10 | ToxicTuxer | joar_, alsamixer doesn't depend on it |
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| 09:52.13 | joar_ | ToxicTuxer: Sorry, I found that it has an ncurses interface |
| 09:52.15 | ToxicTuxer | joar_, the module name is pcspkr, not pcspk |
| 09:53.00 | ToxicTuxer | I have it blacklisted, but the ALSA beeps is independent |
| 09:53.39 | joar_ | ToxicTuxer: The typo was in the ircmessage only. lsmod | grep pc does not catch any pcsp* |
| 09:54.23 | ToxicTuxer | If it's a server, blacklisting all the snd* modules is even better |
| 09:54.59 | ToxicTuxer | Though the beeper can be used for error msgs |
| 09:55.17 | joar_ | ToxicTuxer: I have disabled the alsa beep, lowered it to 0 and muted it |
| 09:55.52 | joar_ | ToxicTuxer: It's not a server, I just removed the graphics drivers the last thing I did yesterday, and today I have no internet connection :) |
| 09:56.14 | joar_ | ToxicTuxer: something still beeps, but at a litte lower level. |
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| 10:00.28 | ToxicTuxer | joar_, I just know those 3 beep generators |
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| 10:02.18 | icedwater | Hi! I did an apt-get update/upgrade with Sid to get a new Chromium version, then disabled the repo... now for whatever reason, inclusive of my silliness, I don't have any options in my System menu other than Help and About GNOME. |
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| 10:02.36 | joar_ | ToxicTuxer: Ok, thank you very much still :) |
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| 10:02.39 | icedwater | What can I do to fix the former? Silliness won't fix itself, I can at best limit its frequency. |
| 10:02.50 | joar_ | ToxicTuxer: I discovered I could avert it a bit by plugging in my headphones |
| 10:03.01 | joar_ | a physical hack, ne may say. |
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| 10:03.28 | hyppias | does debian 6.0.4 have a firewall installed, right out of the box? Iptables or so? |
| 10:03.46 | streuner_ | no |
| 10:04.16 | joar_ | ToxicTuxer: Might be I'm running pulseaudio... |
| 10:04.23 | joar_ | would that change things? |
| 10:05.04 | ToxicTuxer | joar_, not sure because I don't use pulse, but check if muting the PCM channel mutes all the beeping |
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| 10:06.10 | joar_ | ahaha! I had the fgrx-driver .deb cached. |
| 10:06.14 | joar_ | awesome |
| 10:06.28 | Ceraphin | Hi all |
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| 10:06.48 | Ceraphin | i am working and on a script for renaming files |
| 10:07.01 | Ceraphin | but i have problem |
| 10:07.24 | Ceraphin | i have file with Les T?tes Br?l?es.mp3 |
| 10:07.33 | Ceraphin | and |
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| 10:07.40 | Ceraphin | () and ' |
| 10:08.01 | Ceraphin | i put new=`echo $i | sed 'y/àâçéèêëîïôöûùüÂÀÇÉÈÊËÎÏÔÖÙÛÜ\?\(\)\+/aaceeeeiioouuuAACEEEEIIOOUUU_-- /'`; |
| 10:08.08 | Ceraphin | but don't work any idear? |
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| 10:10.21 | ToxicTuxer | Ceraphin, do you want only the ASCII chars? |
| 10:11.02 | Ceraphin | yes |
| 10:11.26 | Ceraphin | because i use subsonic |
| 10:11.38 | Ceraphin | and it don't allow non ascci chars |
| 10:11.48 | ToxicTuxer | Forgot what i've told. I use detox for cleaning names, it uses editable tables |
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| 10:12.01 | Nollo | Can we connect 2 time an user on SSH? |
| 10:12.10 | ToxicTuxer | Nollo, yes |
| 10:12.15 | Ceraphin | detox don't know this tool will look for |
| 10:12.19 | Ceraphin | thx ToxicTuxer |
| 10:13.40 | Nollo | Ok, because I have a friend and we need to work on the server, and I wonder if I have to create 2 users ( his and mine ), or one user like "dev" |
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| 10:13.50 | Nollo | because it's only for work, so we share all |
| 10:14.46 | Ceraphin | ToxicTuxer: really working well thanks :) |
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| 10:15.02 | pinkus | how would I change the default xstart behavior? I'm looking through /etc/X11, but can't find a specific config file |
| 10:15.20 | pinkus | startx* |
| 10:15.59 | Ceraphin | And do you know a way to pass everything in lowerspace? |
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| 10:17.28 | ToxicTuxer | Ceraphin, detox -s lower. Check the sequences with detox -L. The default ones are not ideal for me, I had to make 2 custom sequences |
| 10:18.06 | Nollo | ToxicTuxer: any idea ? |
| 10:18.38 | Ceraphin | ok |
| 10:18.45 | Ceraphin | thanks |
| 10:19.17 | ToxicTuxer | Nollo, you can launch several ssh sessions with the same user. It's the same as opening several terminal emulators in X11, per example |
| 10:19.30 | ToxicTuxer | Just take care while modifying the same data |
| 10:19.52 | ToxicTuxer | pinkus, the .xsession file is executed -if found- on startup |
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| 10:20.56 | Nollo | ToxicTuxer: Yes ok |
| 10:21.16 | Nollo | ToxicTuxer: so if I think one user should be better |
| 10:21.33 | pinkus | ah ok, thank you |
| 10:22.02 | Nollo | ToxicTuxer: because the file in common to modify will be managed with GIT |
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| 10:24.09 | ToxicTuxer | pinkus, it's a shell script, long or background jobs must be executed with "&" at the end of the line |
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| 10:27.17 | ToxicTuxer | Nollo, for GIT with ssh access, it's better to create 2 users |
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| 10:27.49 | Nollo | ToxicTuxer: yes OK |
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| 10:35.55 | ToxicTuxer | Nollo, http://www.jedi.be/blog/2009/05/06/8-ways-to-share-your-git-repository/ |
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| 10:36.25 | Nollo | ToxicTuxer: thx ! |
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| 10:38.45 | Arafangion | ToxicTuxer: That site ignroes a few ways. :) |
| 10:40.21 | Arafangion | ToxicTuxer: Today I shared my git repository using skype. |
| 10:40.59 | ToxicTuxer | haha, and maybe with WebDAV like subversion |
| 10:41.11 | Arafangion | Well, it doesn't even mention bundles. |
| 10:41.21 | Arafangion | Which are a fantastic option when everything else fails. |
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| 10:43.54 | DeltachaosDeskto | hi @all |
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| 10:46.09 | fasta | Is there a way I can configure Icedove to show the 'Name X wrote on <date>: ' in the language in which the conversation takes place? |
| 10:46.09 | DeltachaosDeskto | is there any licence combination of LGPL an AGPL? |
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| 10:46.40 | fasta | Showing a foreign language to a receiver is not so nice. |
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| 10:47.41 | pinkus | i'm currently using feh for wallpapers, is that my best best for lowering resource usage? |
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| 10:48.03 | Arafangion | pinkus: Setting teh root window image isn't exactly resource intensive. |
| 10:48.13 | Arafangion | Unless it's animated. |
| 10:48.16 | nemysis | yes feh is too here |
| 10:48.37 | pinkus | not animated. well my resource usage went up 20mb according to htop |
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| 10:50.31 | ToxicTuxer | fasta, I don't know, but that would require language recognition. You can always leave just "Name, date:" |
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| 10:52.07 | Nollo | Arafangion: still here ? :) |
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| 10:53.10 | Arafangion | Nollo: Possibly. |
| 10:53.33 | Nollo | Arafangion: earlier you told me to do a per-user installation of RVM |
| 10:53.58 | Nollo | Arafangion: if I install it with root, would it be OK for my 2 users to use ruby ? |
| 10:54.13 | Nollo | Arafangion: or per-user mean I have to do an installation for my 2 users ? |
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| 10:55.30 | Arafangion | Nollo: I'd suggest each user manage their own RVM. |
| 10:56.10 | Nollo | Arafangion: it's a bit complicated for nothing no ? Because in pratice, the 2 users will use the same version |
| 10:56.19 | Arafangion | Nollo: Then use the debian version. |
| 10:56.24 | Nollo | :D |
| 10:56.26 | Nollo | lost |
| 10:57.03 | Arafangion | Nollo: You're unlikely to get other advice while in #debian. Maybe in #ruby you'll get other advice. |
| 10:57.17 | Nollo | Arafangion: yes I think so |
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| 10:57.27 | Arafangion | Nollo: But do be aware of the differences in the respective backgrounds of the advice-giver. |
| 10:58.04 | fasta | ToxicTuxer: language recognition is a 50 line program or so. |
| 10:58.29 | fasta | ToxicTuxer: it is about 3 orders of magnitude easier to program than an e-mail client. |
| 10:58.30 | Arafangion | fasta: Thinking of HMM? |
| 10:58.47 | fasta | Arafangion: not even that. |
| 10:58.49 | Arafangion | email clients are remarkably difficult to implement. |
| 10:59.12 | fasta | Arafangion: which is why I said exactly what I said. |
| 10:59.19 | fasta | Arafangion: letter frequency tables. |
| 10:59.38 | fasta | Arafangion: I am sure that works for the less than 10 languages that people generally use. |
| 10:59.49 | fasta | If you have to do 300 languages, there might be a problem. |
| 11:00.03 | fasta | Do you know anyone who speaks 300 languages? |
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| 11:00.31 | Nollo | Arafangion: and to finish, can you tell me why you only recommand per-user installation of RVM ? |
| 11:00.45 | Arafangion | fasta: I wonder if letter frequencies distinguish between traditional and simplified chinese. |
| 11:00.58 | Arafangion | Nollo: Because then if one user stuffs something up, the other user can keep on working. |
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| 11:01.17 | Arafangion | Nollo: Also, it should be reasonable to have devs manage their own tools. |
| 11:01.57 | Nollo | Arafangion: but if devs work on the same project, I think it's better to have "one" version of the tools |
| 11:02.00 | Arafangion | Nollo: Finally, you reduce the chance of having a weird compatiblity problem, which, in my experience, is annoyingly frequent in ruby land. |
| 11:02.12 | Arafangion | Nollo: Then have the build tool do a simple consistency check. |
| 11:02.52 | Arafangion | Nollo: It's rarely a good idea to encourage a team to assume only one set of tools - that makes porting a program a nightmare. |
| 11:03.34 | ToxicTuxer | fasta, note that each localization uses its own date format |
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| 11:04.02 | Arafangion | (Which is why I always use ISO 8601.) |
| 11:04.07 | Nollo | Arafangion: ok ok... |
| 11:04.35 | fasta | ToxicTuxer: that seems completely irrelevant. |
| 11:04.40 | Arafangion | Nollo: I'm actually a software engineer, not a debian admin. |
| 11:04.42 | Nollo | Arafangion: At the beginning, I wanted RVM to have 2 versions to install redmine ( which uses 1.8.x version ), so I should have RVM on a third user ? |
| 11:04.45 | ToxicTuxer | Arafangion, yes, but then it's not so taylored to the recipient |
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| 11:05.25 | Arafangion | Nollo: If I recall... RVM should allow you to fairly easily switch ruby versions. |
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| 11:05.31 | Arafangion | ToxicTuxer: True. |
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| 11:06.11 | fasta | Nollo: NixOS solves your problem. |
| 11:06.40 | fasta | Nollo: or just plain Nix. |
| 11:06.41 | ToxicTuxer | Generic and simplest solution: name|user and isoDate. And without false positives |
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| 11:07.52 | Nollo | fasta: I thought you were kidding me when I saw the first result of nixos in google |
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| 11:08.26 | Nollo | :P |
| 11:08.28 | fasta | ToxicTuxer: where can I change that in Icedove? |
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| 11:08.59 | fasta | Nollo: my first result is the right one. |
| 11:09.07 | Nollo | fasta: :P |
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| 11:10.08 | ToxicTuxer | fasta, http://kb.mozillazine.org/Reply_header_settings . Or edit user.js for totally custom message |
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| 11:13.56 | fasta | ToxicTuxer: thanks |
| 11:15.23 | Oniklus | can anyone explain me why debian lenny system puts TCP connections in the SYN_RECV state after the three way handshake? my debian squeeze system puts a TCP connection in the ESTABLISHED state, but I would like the same behavior as lenny on my squeeze system |
| 11:15.24 | ToxicTuxer | Natural language recognition based on freq tables wouldn't work with short e-mails |
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| 11:19.09 | fasta | ToxicTuxer: sure it would. |
| 11:19.31 | fasta | ToxicTuxer: you usually have a long e-mail conversation with a given person first. |
| 11:19.38 | fasta | ToxicTuxer: you can use that to bootstrap. |
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| 11:20.08 | fasta | ToxicTuxer: I likely wouldn't use frequency tables, but indeed a more complex probabilistic model, but the same techniques would apply. |
| 11:22.30 | ToxicTuxer | If I really wanted that, I would add a "Native language" field in the contact data. And the language recognition would fill that when enough data had been processed. Or manually, of course |
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