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| 00:15.13 | keyzs | apt-get remove iceweasel; mv firefox-10.0.tar.bz2 /usr/lib/; cd /usr/lib/; tar -jxvf firefox-10.0.tar.bz2; ln -s /usr/lib/firefox10/firefox /usr/bin/firefox |
| 00:15.26 | keyzs | is this correct to install firefox 10? |
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| 00:18.19 | mosno | keyzs: only if you feel like borking your system |
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| 00:18.41 | mosno | keyzs: you're not meant to bypass your package manager like that |
| 00:18.52 | themill | dpkg: tell keyzs about mdn |
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| 00:22.25 | keyzs | im noob on debi |
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| 00:24.28 | keyzs | can anybody give me a help on installing firefox 10 on debian 6.0.4 |
| 00:24.42 | themill | keyzs: you should read what dpkg told you |
| 00:25.13 | keyzs | read it |
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| 00:25.44 | keyzs | alredy |
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| 00:26.14 | keyzs | themill what it means is doesnt run nice? |
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| 00:26.43 | somiaj | keyzs: using teh static linked binary like that isn't wrong, but you want to put it into /usr/local (or I would suggest just leaving it in your users $HOME dir and not putting it on the system for everyone) |
| 00:27.12 | somiaj | keyzs: i.e. do not manually put stuff in /usr, /usr/bin, /usr/lib -- as that should be reserved for debian packages to mess with. |
| 00:27.35 | somiaj | keyzs: though listen to themill's comment on mozilla.debian.net as an alternative way to get a newer browser. |
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| 00:28.17 | somiaj | keyzs: you do not need to /msg me, yes putting in /opt is another possibility. Do any users besides your main user need acces to the binary though? |
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| 00:28.57 | somiaj | 16:27 <keyzs> then i did 16:28 <keyzs> rm -rf /usr/bin/ |
| 00:29.09 | somiaj | stop messging me, and you didn't miss anything but you just broke your system if you are serious |
| 00:30.09 | keyzs | somiaj its lot of lines to past here |
| 00:30.15 | keyzs | then get ban |
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| 00:31.44 | somiaj | use a pastebin if you need to paste a lot of lines, but you shouldn't /msg people without asking frit |
| 00:31.52 | somiaj | removing /usr/bin basically destroyed most your installed packages |
| 00:32.13 | tecnopoly_cl | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:32.19 | keyzs | i didnt remove /usr/bin/ |
| 00:32.33 | keyzs | i removed /usr/bin/firefox |
| 00:32.36 | somiaj | main debian policy /usr/bin is left for things installed/removed from debian packages. Put custom things else wehre, /usr/local, /opt are two common places, and $HOME is a good place if you only have one user needing to run it |
| 00:32.43 | somiaj | well that isn't what you typed. (: |
| 00:33.02 | keyzs | let me type in a pastebin |
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| 00:34.13 | somiaj | I like paste.debian.net better -- hate the capatulas |
| 00:34.57 | keyzs | ok |
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| 00:35.46 | somiaj | keyzs: anyways one final note, anything you install this way (such as firefox) is NOT supported by debian, but it is your machine. Again my suggestion is just keep it in your $HOME dir as you are most likely the only user that needs it |
| 00:36.01 | keyzs | somiaj here it is http://paste.debian.net/155513/ |
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| 00:37.05 | somiaj | looks like you undid what you did. Good luck. Note check out mozilla.debian.net if you want to be able to manage this stuff with apt as opposed to manually |
| 00:38.13 | keyzs | somiaj looks? or did i undid? can you tell me the commands to install firefox 10? |
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| 00:39.38 | somiaj | what you did is not supported by debian, it looks like you cleaned up everything. Rest is up to you. |
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| 00:41.56 | keyzs | ok |
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| 00:42.14 | keyzs | im gonna format the machine |
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| 00:48.14 | cutbert | Hi guys |
| 00:48.30 | bodziec | hi |
| 00:48.35 | cutbert | I'm trying to build a Debian package such that it depends on a specific version of ruby |
| 00:48.50 | cutbert | Not less than, not greater than, but any dash version is OK |
| 00:49.06 | cutbert | Any idea how I'd specify that? |
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| 00:52.39 | somiaj | cutbert: have you checked the control file in debian/ |
| 00:53.10 | somiaj | cutbert: #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net may be more able to mentor you in creating a debian package and dealing with any policy issues you may run into |
| 00:53.20 | cutbert | somiaj: OK cool |
| 00:53.35 | cutbert | It's not for actual Debian |
| 00:53.41 | somiaj | cutbert: but depends on ver = foo, is a common dependency, I belive this is all done in the control file |
| 00:54.29 | cutbert | Here's my problem. I can do Depends: ruby (= 1.9.2.290) but that wont take 1.9.2.290-whatever |
| 00:54.39 | cutbert | And I havent found a wildcard |
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| 00:55.18 | somiaj | what is special about the -whatever that would effect make it not work if that wasn't there. |
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| 00:55.51 | somiaj | all I can say is look at a package that has a similar dependency. |
| 00:55.53 | cutbert | Thats the thing, I want -anything to satisfy it |
| 00:55.54 | themill | cutbert: ruby (>> 1.9.2), ruby (<<1.9.3) or similar |
| 00:56.58 | cutbert | themill: But that'll be satisfied if I have a ruby 1.9.1 and a ruby 1.9.4 :-P That might be what I'll ultimately go with, but I'm trying to figure out if there's a more correct way |
| 00:57.19 | somiaj | you shouldn't be able to have two versions of the same package installed. |
| 00:57.26 | cutbert | Oh cool, that does it then |
| 00:57.32 | cutbert | That's what itll be |
| 00:57.36 | cutbert | Thanks guys!! |
| 00:58.01 | somiaj | though maybe with provides/virtual packages if you had a package break debian policy it coudl cause issues, but that should be error of the eronous package not yours |
| 00:58.29 | themill | versioned depends implicitly forbid virtual packages from satisfying them |
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| 00:58.56 | somiaj | i.e. a package i_am_not_ruby could claim it provided it...but that isn't something I'd worry to much about. |
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| 01:02.06 | icarious | Hi |
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| 01:04.18 | zane | can someone tell me why a menu entry in 40_CUSTOM is not showing up in the grub menu at boot? |
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| 01:05.18 | somiaj | did you rerun grub-update after adding your custom enteries? |
| 01:05.35 | zane | somiaj: yes, didn't report that it had found it |
| 01:05.43 | zane | somiaj: outputted the same ones that are there |
| 01:06.03 | zane | should i reboot and it will be there? update-grub doesn't show custom menu entries ? |
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| 01:06.28 | Klue | Need to get a graphics card that will work out of the box on Debian wheezy. I don't want any blob drivers. Any ideas on a card? |
| 01:06.40 | somiaj | if you didn't get any errors you should be fine, but check /boot/grub/menu.lst (or .cfg forget exact grub menu) it should be there. Which is the actualy grub menu seen from boot |
| 01:07.06 | zane | ok let me look.... |
| 01:07.29 | somiaj | Klue: I like the radeon free drivers, but they require non-free blobs if you want any acceleration. |
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| 01:08.09 | zane | it's there, let me reboot and see.... |
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| 01:08.34 | somiaj | Klue: http://wiki.debian.org/GraphicsCard |
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| 01:08.52 | Klue | somiaj yeah I kind of want to avoid the non-free stuff. Ohhh thx, Ill just into that url. |
| 01:09.37 | shaatar | hi all, I just upgraded a system from lenny to squeeze and my mysql-server package went missing. However when I try to apt-get install mysql-server it fails on the starting MySQL database server line. |
| 01:10.03 | somiaj | Klue: it depends on what you consider non-free, the non-free binary blobs for the free radeon driver are a different critter than the non-free driver from ati, but both don't comply to the DFSG |
| 01:10.19 | shaatar | "Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock'" |
| 01:10.28 | somiaj | Klue: again the binary blob for radeon is only needed if you care about acceleration. You can get simply 2d graphics just fine. |
| 01:11.13 | Klue | somiaj well if I can read the code I am happy. Guess thats not the definition of free. I should say "open" |
| 01:12.35 | somiaj | Klue: I'm unsure to the exact nature of the non-free radeon blob, but for the most that that would be an open driver. You could try #radeon and ask them about details on it. (hopefully that place exists) |
| 01:12.56 | somiaj | Klue: as for nvidia's #nouveau I just think that needs more time to mature to be on par with the quality of the 'free' radeon driver |
| 01:13.08 | Klue | somiaj yeah I am looking at it as we speak =) http://www.x.org/wiki/radeon |
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| 01:13.32 | nezZario | uh |
| 01:13.37 | nezZario | why would I have debian without aptitude ? |
| 01:13.42 | Klue | somiaj the glx nature of Nvida kind of turned me off. |
| 01:13.47 | somiaj | nezZario: yes why would you? |
| 01:14.07 | Klue | somiaj thx for the feedback. |
| 01:14.20 | somiaj | Klue: I'm still a nvidia fan, the new xorg abi change has been a stupid fight, but I game with wine and get the best quality from their non-free drivers. |
| 01:14.45 | somiaj | Klue: but I really like the radeon driver on my laptop, I have full hdmi/xrandr support, get audio though the hdmi, it just works smoothly. |
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| 01:15.58 | kevlarman | somiaj: fwiw one of the wined3d guys uses r600g on his primary desktop |
| 01:16.23 | zane | ok i want to put the contents of a 300+ MB iso onto my swap partition so i can boot to it from grub. can i just convert the partition and make a filesystem on it or will it mess with debian? how do i make debian no use a swap ? |
| 01:16.24 | kevlarman | so if you're ok with the performance hit of radeon on top of the performance hit of wine it should generally work well |
| 01:16.25 | multi_io | chrony knows that it's 5089 seconds ahead of the NTP time (chronyc tracking => "5086.416503906 seconds fast of NTP time"). But it doesn't synchronize itself at all. WTF? |
| 01:16.31 | nezZario | yeah ok |
| 01:16.35 | somiaj | nezZario: I guess aptitude is an 'important' as opposed to 'essential' package, so I guess it dosen't have to be, but a standard install will include it |
| 01:16.38 | nezZario | i don't know, i got a cheap VPS and it doesn't have aptitude at all |
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| 01:16.43 | nezZario | it has apt-get but it seemingly won't install any pkgs |
| 01:16.57 | Erik8 | Can someone help me figure out how to start NetworkManager? I am running squeeze with xfce and just installed network-manager-gnome without an internet connectino |
| 01:17.03 | zane | because right now debian is set to use that partition for swap space.... |
| 01:17.09 | somiaj | kevlarman: yea I'm happy to see the ati drivers become competitive. But for a long time when I started gaming in linux (2004ish), the non-free nvidia was always the easier way to go. |
| 01:17.22 | Guest64657 | shaatar http://www.tech-recipes.com/rx/762/solve-cant-connect-to-local-mysql-server-through-socket-tmpmysqlsock/ |
| 01:17.28 | kevlarman | somiaj: it still often is |
| 01:17.35 | kevlarman | hugs gtx560 |
| 01:17.43 | somiaj | is envious |
| 01:17.49 | kevlarman | somiaj: but it's great that it's no longer the only option |
| 01:17.50 | themill | multi_io: many ntp implementations have a sanity check in them. ntpd needs special options to jump more than 15 minutes. |
| 01:17.51 | somiaj | dusts off his 460gtx |
| 01:18.05 | shaatar | Guest64657: Thanks for the tip! I'll give it a read. |
| 01:18.20 | kevlarman | somiaj: i was planning on one of those, but at the time the price difference was $10 |
| 01:18.25 | zane | somiaj: will i run into problems if i change the swap partition and put a filesystem on it when i try to reboot ? |
| 01:18.34 | Klue | somiaj I set up Xen-debian to work with pass-though for a client. Dropped Windows 7 into a DomU. The clients kid was playing Crysis 2 on that GPU (Win 7) while his brother was working on a Debian desktop. |
| 01:19.05 | nezZario | loves xen |
| 01:19.09 | zane | Klue: how is that possible ? |
| 01:19.19 | nezZario | my dom0 isn't debian but xen is extremely stable |
| 01:19.19 | zane | DomU? |
| 01:19.40 | Klue | zane you need VT-D/IOMMU supported on your mobo and cpu |
| 01:20.01 | shaatar | Guest64657: The problem appears to be that there is some ghost copy of mysql-server-5.0 running because I can see in syslog whenever I try to install/start mysql-server-5.1 it has to first shut down mysql-server-5.0 |
| 01:20.05 | Klue | zane then you need to map the address of the card to Xen |
| 01:20.15 | shaatar | dpkg --list shows mysql-server-5.0 as installed but I can't apt-get remove it. |
| 01:20.16 | dpkg | shaatar: You are person #1 to send an unparseable request |
| 01:20.37 | zane | Klue: what is 'xen' ? |
| 01:20.39 | kevlarman | Klue: wait that works with only 1 gpu? |
| 01:20.45 | somiaj | zane: make sure you modify your /etc/fstab so your system knows where to look for a swap partition |
| 01:20.59 | Klue | zane Debian actually is built into the kernel of Debian |
| 01:21.03 | somiaj | kevlarman: I spent to much on mine, but at the time it was $150 difference |
| 01:21.11 | zane | somiaj: i can modify fstab to use no swap at all? |
| 01:21.21 | nezZario | zane sure |
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| 01:21.27 | zane | somiaj: because i need the swap partition for something else |
| 01:21.28 | kevlarman | somiaj: 560ti!=560 |
| 01:21.30 | nezZario | swap is a luxury on a lot of my boxes |
| 01:21.40 | nezZario | you may need to use 'swapoff' |
| 01:21.47 | kevlarman | somiaj: the former are quite a bit pricier and a bit faster |
| 01:21.51 | somiaj | zane: sure, I don't use swap on my desktop, I have plenty of ram. |
| 01:21.54 | nezZario | i get confused i use all 3 bsd's + 3 distro's of linux :( |
| 01:22.03 | Klue | Kevlarman no you need to dedicate the gaming GPU to windows. |
| 01:22.13 | kevlarman | Klue: :\ |
| 01:22.14 | somiaj | kevlarman: oh I must have missed that, I got this card a year ago, RMA'd it 7 months ago when it went bad, and that is the last I looked at chards. |
| 01:22.17 | zane | i wish i had 'plenty' of ram. i'm have to switch distros.... :-( |
| 01:22.30 | zane | debian is slooooooooooooow on this system |
| 01:22.36 | nezZario | zane you should be able to use 'swapoff /dev/theDevice' and immediately format it to extX |
| 01:22.39 | zane | pentium 3, 256MB ram |
| 01:22.40 | somiaj | zane: well if you don't have plenty of ram, removing the swap is a bad idea |
| 01:22.42 | engla | somiaj: I disabled swap too, but some say it's dangerous. I have 0 swap, should still work like normal in OOM situations right? |
| 01:22.51 | Klue | kevlarman I think there was some other guy who did the same and wrote how he did it. Let find the url |
| 01:22.57 | nezZario | yeah you just won't have swap to fall out with |
| 01:23.01 | zane | i need the swap so i can boot a iso to install onto the main partition |
| 01:23.02 | kevlarman | Klue: i don't have integrated graphics :( |
| 01:23.09 | somiaj | engla: the biggest issue is what happens if a process runs away and starts eatting ram. Without swap your ram could be gone and your system crashed in no time |
| 01:23.14 | zane | can't install if the main partition is mounted.... |
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| 01:23.29 | somiaj | engla: with swap, once the memory starts caching to swap you now have extra time before the swap is filled up, you have no ram and your system crashes. |
| 01:23.34 | zane | i'm not going to boot into the main partition once i do this |
| 01:23.40 | Guest64657 | shaatar check the dependences , make sure all of the needed packages are good, the reinstall it again , try |
| 01:23.53 | engla | somiaj: would not oom-killer step in, in either of those scenarios? |
| 01:24.02 | zane | i need a partition apart from /dev/sda1 so i can install onto /dev/sda1 |
| 01:24.10 | kevlarman | Klue: i'm interested in seeing how to set this up anyway though |
| 01:24.15 | zane | so i'm going to use /dev/sda2 which is the swap |
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| 01:24.23 | engla | somiaj: my theory was that oom-kill should strike sooner without swap.. thus restore sanity sooner, only for the better |
| 01:25.00 | zane | you can't install onto a partition if it is mounted and the installer program is running from the mounted partition ? |
| 01:25.05 | somiaj | engla: don't know to much about that. I monintoerd my system for years before I doubled my ram and it never filled up or used my swap. If it bites me in the ass so be it |
| 01:25.23 | Klue | kevlarman so did the computer I set up. One client was using the i7 2600 built in GPU for Debian and the client was getting the ATI for insane gaming in Windows. |
| 01:25.40 | shaatar | Guest64657: I am going to try removing the packages, but when I try to remove some of them it tries to shut down this ghost server (doesn't even show up in ps) and then it can't so it errors out on the apt-get remove |
| 01:25.43 | somiaj | zane: though really I don't see why another distro will be faster on your os if debian is slow. It could be the desktop envoirment or to much stuff using memory |
| 01:25.47 | zane | Klue: what you are talking about is VERY interesting....... |
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| 01:25.50 | Klue | Here is the URL how to set up Xen to do what I just said on Debian http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/336186-33-full-gaming-virtual-machine |
| 01:25.52 | Bsims | grrs and asks, does system bell work on all three flavors of Debian? |
| 01:25.58 | nezZario | yeah, debian is pretty lightweight compared to other distro's ive used |
| 01:26.00 | Klue | zane that was the link |
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| 01:26.04 | zane | somiaj: i have gnome2 installed and it's too much for this system |
| 01:26.08 | zane | Klue: what link? |
| 01:26.14 | Klue | http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/336186-33-full-gaming-virtual-machine |
| 01:26.21 | nezZario | e.g. stock installs of centos has a lot of junk enabled that debian doesn't |
| 01:26.28 | zane | Klue: would you be so kind to email that link to 'dzcarroll@gmail.com' |
| 01:26.31 | somiaj | zane: install a ligher desktop like LXDE or use a wm, I suggest FVWM |
| 01:26.34 | Klue | zane looks like he did it the way I did. |
| 01:26.37 | kevlarman | Klue: no gpu on my phenom, no gpu on the motherboard :( |
| 01:26.56 | kevlarman | and i'd have to get a kvm switch |
| 01:26.59 | Bsims | hates to say it but kde 4x is now pretty darn good or try trinity |
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| 01:27.20 | Tordek | in my /etc/network/interfaces I have: "iface eth0 inet dhcp \n dns-nameservers 74.82.42.42 10.42.42.1", but resolv.conf always has the last IP as the first entry. how can I force the order? |
| 01:27.45 | zane | how is xfce4 compared to gnome2 as far as resource usage? |
| 01:27.45 | Guest64657 | shaatar beyond my mind ,so ask others for help, good luck |
| 01:28.14 | Bsims | zane: lighter and Our Father Torvalds has switched to it lol |
| 01:28.27 | zane | somiaj: how much ram will xfce4 use while idle? |
| 01:28.34 | zane | with no apps open |
| 01:28.43 | Klue | The reason I was asking about a cheep blob free graphics card is that I am setting up 4 multiseats tomorrow. |
| 01:28.49 | nezZario | wow this vps provider sucks :( |
| 01:29.32 | zane | GDM3 uses alot of resources? |
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| 01:29.40 | kevlarman | Klue: if they're all linux, xen lets you share a gpu among several guests |
| 01:29.44 | Bsims | Klue: I'll be honest I am able to turn on all kde eyecandy on a crap nvida from the dark ages |
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| 01:30.10 | zane | sharing a gpu is fascinating..... |
| 01:30.20 | Bsims | Klue: GeForce 6600 GT according to lspci |
| 01:30.39 | zane | Klue: how was 2 people using desktop and playing crysis2 on same system? |
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| 01:30.40 | kevlarman | Bsims: kde's eye candy manages to make my 560 feel sluggish |
| 01:30.56 | kevlarman | zane: 2 keyboards, 2 mice, 2 monitors |
| 01:31.06 | zane | wow.... |
| 01:31.11 | shaatar | thanks anyways Guest64657! |
| 01:31.14 | Bsims | kevlarman: I suppose I am used to it |
| 01:31.17 | kevlarman | zane: vt-d is magic |
| 01:31.18 | zane | that must of been one beast computer system |
| 01:31.35 | Guest64657 | shaatar my pleasure :) |
| 01:31.37 | shaatar | Anyone have any thoughts why packages would show up in dpkg --list after an upgrade that apt-get remove says are not installed? |
| 01:31.38 | zane | crysis2 alone is a beast, resource hog |
| 01:31.49 | Bsims | shaatar: list as removed? |
| 01:31.50 | zane | he was playing it in a VM ? |
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| 01:31.53 | kevlarman | zane: thing is |
| 01:32.00 | kevlarman | zane: games burn 1.5 cores tops |
| 01:32.12 | zane | or the computer can run two operating systems at once? |
| 01:32.17 | simonlnu | shaatar: they will show as rc as long as you don't --purge them |
| 01:32.18 | kevlarman | so if you have a quad core and enough ram, it really doesn't matter |
| 01:32.24 | shaatar | Bsims: For example, rc mysql-common 5.1.49-3 |
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| 01:32.27 | kevlarman | zane: 2 OSes in xen |
| 01:32.28 | shaatar | ahh |
| 01:32.36 | zane | kevlarman: what is xen ? |
| 01:32.45 | simonlnu | shaatar: and even then, they will show up. what's important is whether or not they say ii in front |
| 01:33.02 | Bsims | shaatar: Ah Ok its telling you its been removed but the config is still there... if ya want the config files gone got to add a --purge |
| 01:33.03 | kevlarman | zane: hypervisor |
| 01:33.20 | Tordek | in my /etc/network/interfaces I have: "iface eth0 inet dhcp \n dns-nameservers 74.82.42.42 10.42.42.1", but resolv.conf always has the last IP as the first entry. how can I force the order? |
| 01:33.23 | zane | kevlarman: virt software that runs on bare-metal ? |
| 01:33.30 | zane | kevlarman: without running in a OS ? |
| 01:33.35 | shaatar | they do not. It's mysql and I am upgrading from lenny so I would prefer not to purge. The problem is that when I install mysql-server-5.1 it tries to start and stop a seemingly non-existent mysql server and fails |
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| 01:33.43 | shaatar | (they do not say ii) |
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| 01:33.59 | Bsims | Tordek: try it as "iface eth0 inet dhcp \n dns-nameservers 10.42.42.1 74.82.42.42"? |
| 01:34.24 | kevlarman | zane: at this point you'll probably get a better answer from wikipedia than me |
| 01:34.59 | zane | kevlarman: does xen run on bare metal? it doesn't need to be in a os to execute? |
| 01:35.05 | Bsims | is in dire need of a system upgrade... its hard with a kid and one on the way |
| 01:35.13 | Klue | Klue yes you can pass-though stuff as you like ie USB and PCI stuff or have it virtualized. In my case the windows OS was sandboxed but 2 usb ports (mouse and keyboard) and a graphics card were purely dedicated for windows |
| 01:35.14 | Tordek | Bsims: unsurprisigly, no difference :/ |
| 01:35.28 | Bsims | Tordek: dunno file a bugreport? |
| 01:35.45 | kevlarman | zane: yup |
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| 01:36.19 | Klue | det vet jag inte. |
| 01:36.26 | Klue | sry wrong term |
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| 01:38.17 | somiaj | zane: no clue, there is an lxde and xfce live system if you want to try either of them out without installing stuff |
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| 01:39.27 | pepperoni | I've made a debian-live hybrid.iso using basically 'lb config' and 'lb build' like in the manual. |
| 01:39.30 | pepperoni | Now I'm trying to make an initrd that mound other file systems on top of this image. Anyone offer any guidance here? |
| 01:40.12 | somiaj | pepperoni: just follow the manual on live.debian.net -- but sounds like that is what you are doing |
| 01:40.31 | somiaj | pepperoni: note I have found that the usb-hdd images I like better for a usb drive since you can easily create a partition on the remaining space. |
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| 01:41.16 | pepperoni | somiaj: yeah, i've been going through the manual, but having a hard time finding things like this in it |
| 01:41.48 | somiaj | pepperoni: well if you run into any tricks let me know I plan to make a live system one day, but been to lazy and the lxde one does everything I need from a live system. |
| 01:42.04 | pepperoni | somiaj: what i'm trying to do is mount a squashfs after i boot an image |
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| 01:42.43 | pepperoni | somiaj: k, i'm documenting my steps closely |
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| 01:44.51 | nsadmin | manganese, so that was simon phillips, probably jeff babko, andy timmons and I dunno who on bass |
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| 01:45.44 | nsadmin | hmm, wonder if it was jimmy johnson |
| 01:45.59 | Tordek | Bsims: ugh, it was an interface-order issue. eth0 lists .1 first, and then eth0.inet lists the other |
| 01:46.21 | Bsims | Ah Ok |
| 01:46.36 | nsadmin | yeah, jimmy johnson |
| 01:47.30 | somiaj | nsadmin: you realize this is #debian (just checking as those seem like random offtopic comments) |
| 01:48.11 | nsadmin | oh, earlier I showed him a song named the same as his nick |
| 01:48.46 | somiaj | ok just making sure you weren't trying to have a converastion in #elsewhere and not realizing that. |
| 01:48.46 | nsadmin | on which there were very top level p[ayers... thought he'd like to know who they were |
| 01:48.57 | Bsims | nsadmin: lol your nick made me remember good old nwadmin... yes I am old enough to remember Netware |
| 01:49.07 | Bsims | yes and still maintain a Netware 5 server |
| 01:49.24 | nsadmin | yeah :) I remember netware too... |
| 01:49.39 | Bsims | amazing levels of non suck |
| 01:49.55 | alfplayer | :q |
| 01:50.00 | alfplayer | sry |
| 01:50.04 | nsadmin | ! |
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| 01:52.36 | Bsims | pours a stiff drink... gonna have a second kid even with the pill |
| 01:53.20 | Bsims | lol though My peanut prefers Model M keyboards already at about a year and a half |
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| 15:59.54 | *** topic/#debian is squeeze (6.0.4) released; /msg dpkg squeeze | lenny EOL 2012-02-06 /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze ; /msg dpkg 5.0.9 | NO FLOOD: /msg dpkg pastebin | /msg bots NOT people | offtopic: #debian-offtopic | wheezy/sid: #debian-next (irc.oftc.net) | FAQ: http://deb.li/IRCFAQ | channel logs: http://deb.li/yQXC |
| 15:59.55 | gele | is there any way to make it shut up about not finding them? i know it can't find them before i enter the passphrase, that's the whole point with the encryption. |
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| 16:00.21 | thewanderer1 | can I change the date on a mail in Evolution? |
| 16:00.39 | gele | thewanderer1: missed a deadline? :) |
| 16:00.48 | thewanderer1 | gele, sssshh :P |
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| 16:01.28 | thewanderer1 | I just find myself in the need of the recipient having them labeled with a particular day :P |
| 16:01.46 | gele | thewanderer1: i don't think you can change it just in evolution, but if you temporarily change the clock of the whole system before you send the message it should work. |
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| 16:02.06 | gele | though the headers added by different mail servers on the way to the recipient will still show the correct date. |
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| 16:02.27 | thewanderer1 | I don't care about headers / faking the message, this is for sorting purposes at the recipient's end |
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| 16:07.09 | ceraphin | hi all |
| 16:07.11 | silentpj | hello, I've problem with the latest postgresql-8.4 update in squeeze, postgre keeps crashing (killed by OOM killed), is anyone having same problem? |
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| 16:07.19 | ceraphin | is someone already have a problem |
| 16:07.29 | ceraphin | a problem for removal of dovecot |
| 16:08.01 | ceraphin | i tried apt-get remove, dpkg --purge, apt-get -f install, ... nothing worked |
| 16:08.15 | ceraphin | is someone know an other way? |
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| 16:10.20 | gele | ceraphin: how do you know it isn't removed? |
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| 16:11.42 | ceraphin | i have it on the list of dpkg and apt-get install mark it as not |
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| 16:12.10 | ceraphin | the following will be uninstall : dovecot-imapd dovecot-managesieved dovecot-mysql dovecot-sieve dovecot-solr |
| 16:12.16 | ceraphin | that's why gele |
| 16:12.35 | gele | so what happens when you try to uninstall them? |
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| 16:13.33 | ceraphin | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 16:13.43 | ceraphin | can't unistall |
| 16:13.52 | gele | hm. |
| 16:13.54 | ceraphin | invoke-rc.d: initscript dovecot, action "start" failed. |
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| 16:15.01 | jordanm | ceraphin: /var/log/daemon.log |
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| 16:15.51 | jelly | ceraphin: if you can confirm it's not running ay present, just put an "exit 0" at the beginning of the init script |
| 16:15.57 | ceraphin | nothing |
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| 16:16.12 | jelly | ay caramba |
| 16:16.14 | ceraphin | oki thanks jelmy will try |
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| 16:17.34 | ceraphin | Working love you jelly |
| 16:17.36 | ceraphin | :) |
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| 16:28.12 | jhutchins_wk | Smart jelly |
| 16:28.32 | jhutchins_wk | silentpj: Do you understand what OOM means? |
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| 16:30.10 | jelly | sounds like "my computer/vpc does not have enough memory" |
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| 16:31.39 | digdilem_ | hint: first two are "out of" |
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| 16:36.22 | no_gravity | Hello! Today I booted into my ubuntu partition and Ubuntu updated Grub. Now when I boot, my encrypted Debian partition is gone. Well, its still there, but when I boot it, it doesnt ask for a password to decrypt the encrypted partition but instead initialises the debian on the boot partition itself. Did I describe that in an understandable way? I wonder how to get back my encrypted debian system now. |
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| 16:39.42 | as001 | hello I followed instructions to upgrade from Lenny to Squeeze and I am at step when I must install kernel and udev. My kernel is 2.6.26-2-amd64, but when i try to install it with squeeze sources list it says "linux-image-2.6.26-2-amd64 is already the newest version" |
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| 16:40.12 | as001 | manual says i can mess up system if i install udev if I did not install kernel from squeeze.. |
| 16:40.25 | TechDesk | :> |
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| 16:41.45 | jhutchins_wk | ,kernels |
| 16:41.46 | judd | Available kernel versions are: sid: 3.2.0-1-686-pae (3.2.4-1); wheezy: 3.1.0-1-686-pae (3.1.8-2); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.1-686-pae (3.2.1-2~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-41); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-35~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-27) |
| 16:41.49 | jelly | as001: you ought to install udev and just linux-image-amd64 |
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| 16:42.12 | jhutchins_wk | as001: The squeeze kernel is .32. It's available for Lenny in backports, but I think you're misinterpreting the instructions. |
| 16:42.23 | jhutchins_wk | dpkg: lenny->squeeze |
| 16:42.23 | dpkg | Remove volatile & backports from /etc/apt/sources.list changing lenny to squeeze. Use apt-get for the upgrade: "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` udev". Install firmware-linux-nonfree if needed; check you have a 2.6.32 kernel installed "aptitude search '~nlinux-image~i'" and reboot into it. "apt-get dist-upgrade". READ THE <release notes>. |
| 16:42.25 | jelly | as001: echo linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` |
| 16:42.26 | as001 | so do I need to do apt-get install linux-image-amd64 udev ? |
| 16:42.39 | jelly | yes. |
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| 16:42.43 | as001 | linux-image-amd64 |
| 16:42.47 | jelly | see! |
| 16:43.08 | jelly | that's what the weird part of the command does |
| 16:43.29 | as001 | Ok I am installing it now. |
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| 16:43.59 | as001 | it finished. Can i proceede with udev now ? |
| 16:44.37 | jordanm | as001: reboot first |
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| 16:46.17 | as001 | uhm "Immediately after upgrading the kernel, you should also install the new udev to minimize the risk of other incompatibilities caused by using the old udev with a new kernel" |
| 16:46.43 | jhutchins_wk | jordanm: You're supposed to do udev before the reboot. |
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| 16:47.20 | as001 | yes thats manual says |
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| 16:48.46 | as001 | "Users of the grub bootloader should make sure that update-grub is run as part of the kernel upgrade, or run it manually. " Should I do update-grub ? |
| 16:49.06 | jhutchins_wk | as001: Yes. |
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| 16:49.53 | as001 | found kernel 2-6-26-2-amd64 and 2.6.32-5-amd64 I guess it is ok |
| 16:50.19 | Sc0rian | can someone help me with installing backports kernel.. i installed initramfs, linux base and linux image... im now on 3.2.0.0 but.. it always boots into readonly mode.. wh y |
| 16:50.25 | as001 | jhutchins_wk now apt-get install udev ? |
| 16:50.38 | hko | Hello, I need help to install Debian on Snowball dev board (arm based). |
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| 16:52.00 | as001 | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 16:52.00 | as001 | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:52.00 | as001 | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:52.05 | as001 | sorry I didnt want to flood |
| 16:52.12 | mvdan | Sc0rian: Make sure /etc/fstab has the rootfs entries as rw (read-write) and not ro (read-only). |
| 16:52.15 | as001 | it can't install udev |
| 16:52.46 | Sc0rian | how do i know change it? |
| 16:52.49 | Sc0rian | now* |
| 16:52.56 | Sc0rian | since the filesystem is in read-only |
| 16:53.12 | hko | as001 : install with backports |
| 16:53.18 | Sc0rian | and why has it happened everytime i do the update.. obviously errors? |
| 16:53.26 | mvdan | Sc0rian: Well, you can re-mount the partition as superuser. |
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| 16:53.43 | as001 | hko I should change sources.list then ? |
| 16:53.50 | Sc0rian | i cant get the backports to install from apt-get i just download the dpkg files and do that way |
| 16:53.51 | mvdan | Sc0rian: 3.2 works perfectly in Sid. There might be some problem either in Backports or in your system. |
| 16:54.01 | DarkUranium | jhutchins_wk, well, the stuff I've removed has been readded, so er... any ideas on how to trap file access so that I can find out *WHAT* is doing that? |
| 16:54.02 | Sc0rian | okay |
| 16:54.22 | mvdan | Sc0rian: Hmm, why wasn't apt-get (or aptitude) working? |
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| 16:54.44 | Sc0rian | i added the backports into the apt list |
| 16:55.02 | Sc0rian | but wouldnt allow me to install due to dependices etc |
| 16:55.08 | Sc0rian | let me c+p it |
| 16:55.31 | hko | as001 : can you past you sources.list on a pastebin ? |
| 16:55.34 | mvdan | Sc0rian: If it's a big paste, email it to me. |
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| 16:55.42 | as001 | yes |
| 16:55.47 | mvdan | Yes, don't flood our poor IRC guys :) |
| 16:56.00 | Sc0rian | ofcourse :) |
| 16:56.07 | Sc0rian | i'll use pasite |
| 16:58.02 | as001 | http://pastebin.com/M5rELAtF |
| 16:58.55 | mvdan | Try using one of the main servers for once (ftp.debian...). Maybe the mirror you're using is behind schedule. |
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| 17:02.15 | octeris | Dumb question on the topic of apt-get, is there a way to autoconfirm upgrades/installs? |
| 17:02.24 | octeris | so that I can run apt-get update; apt-get upgrade and walk away? |
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| 17:03.23 | as001 | ok |
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| 17:03.26 | mvdan | octeris: No dumb question. Aptitude has the -y option. |
| 17:03.57 | octeris | mvdan: Thank you. Some channels are less happy to hear "simple" questions. |
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| 17:04.54 | mvdan | octeris: I have experienced that a few times, but I must say Debian's IRC channels and mailing lists are very kind. |
| 17:05.05 | hko | anyone use a ARM dev board ? |
| 17:05.25 | octeris | mvdan: I guess it was in the man page after all, I must not have searched for the term. :) |
| 17:05.31 | octeris | right term* |
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| 17:05.57 | as001 | I changed to default sources.list but I have still error |
| 17:05.58 | JasonWoof | how do I change my xcursor theme? |
| 17:06.10 | JasonWoof | I'm running a weird WM (xmonad) |
| 17:06.41 | as001 | http://pastebin.com/gF3WEs0Q |
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| 17:07.10 | mvdan | JasonWoof: You're looking for ~/.Xresources, and xrdb. |
| 17:07.25 | mvdan | JasonWoof: Xcursor.theme: foobar |
| 17:07.44 | JasonWoof | mvdan: thanks! |
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| 17:08.03 | hko | as001 can you try : apt-get install -t squeeze package |
| 17:08.11 | hko | replace package by the name of it |
| 17:08.37 | jeredepp | i want to specify a comman in the sudoers file, i defined the User_Alias, Cmnd_Alias and i specified the privileges with USERS ALL=(root) NOPASSWD: COMMAND |
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| 17:08.52 | mvdan | as001: Might I ask, why do you need ia32-libs while using i386? |
| 17:08.52 | jeredepp | now i should be able to exectue COMMAND as a specified user right? |
| 17:08.52 | oops | why doesn't the 'banner' command work? |
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| 17:09.14 | as001 | can I delete it mvdan ? |
| 17:09.28 | mvdan | as001: Does any package you want depend on it? |
| 17:09.38 | mvdan | s/want/need/ |
| 17:09.43 | as001 | hko apt-get install -t udev ? |
| 17:10.06 | as001 | I dunno mvdan I don't know for what is that package |
| 17:10.10 | mvdan | as001: apt-get install -t squeeze udev |
| 17:10.17 | mvdan | (you missed the squeeze bit there) |
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| 17:10.40 | JasonWoof | mvdan: [how] can I trigger the cursor theme change without restarting X? |
| 17:10.41 | as001 | broken packages again after that |
| 17:10.53 | mvdan | It's a library mainly used for running 32-bit binaries when in a 64-bit environment. Such as Skype. |
| 17:11.06 | as001 | I don't use Skype of course |
| 17:11.14 | as001 | its server platform |
| 17:11.32 | oops | What does this output mean: $ type netcat => netcat is hashed (/bin/netcat) |
| 17:11.37 | mvdan | JasonWoof: I don't know, I've always done `xrdb ~/.Xresources` and restarted X. |
| 17:11.54 | as001 | when I try with remove it says just that will be removed so I guess its safe to remove it |
| 17:11.55 | mvdan | as001: It was just an example. |
| 17:11.58 | JasonWoof | mvdan: sounds like the sort of thing I'd do :-P |
| 17:12.01 | oops | why doesn't the 'banner' command work? |
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| 17:12.13 | mvdan | as001: Yep, I'd do it. |
| 17:12.59 | as001 | yes now it can install udev |
| 17:13.16 | as001 | I removed both "broken" packages |
| 17:13.29 | mvdan | as001: Good. |
| 17:14.28 | mvdan | oops: I'd like to help you, but I have no idea about that sort of thing. |
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| 17:14.34 | as001 | "update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-2.6.32-5-amd64" |
| 17:14.46 | oops | mvdan, okay. |
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| 17:15.18 | as001 | I guess it has installed udev, I am not brave enough to try to restart it because I have just ssh access to server... |
| 17:15.29 | makeio | buenas |
| 17:15.59 | mvdan | as001: VPS? You could still get to it via VNC. |
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| 17:18.39 | as001 | i will try .. Thanks for help |
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| 17:34.03 | JordiGH | Why are .debs in ar format? |
| 17:34.10 | JordiGH | What historical situations conspired to bring this about? |
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| 17:35.07 | Mephisto | it just came about that way. |
| 17:35.09 | Mephisto | :) |
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| 17:35.36 | Mephisto | there's just too many "whys" regarding linux stuff... sometimes it's easier to give no damn about it.. |
| 17:35.38 | JordiGH | Was tar crappy back when Debian was born or something? |
| 17:35.57 | JordiGH | Eh, maybe you don't give a damn, in which case, feel free to ignore the rest of this discussion. |
| 17:37.47 | Mephisto | eitherways nobody's gonna answer you. Nobody knows how to disable smart window placing in gnome or why my CD/DVD drive makes system halt on insertion of some CD media or just takes it long to give out the inventory of it, and you here with your cosmic questions... |
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| 17:38.14 | Mephisto | so yeah, feel free to chill out bro ;) |
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| 17:41.40 | somiaj | JordiGH: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/ch-detailed.en.html |
| 17:42.17 | themill | deb(5) and deb-old(5) may be of interest too |
| 17:42.29 | somiaj | JordiGH: scroll down to 4.1.1 |
| 17:44.48 | Mephisto | yeah, so they did out of the principle ;) |
| 17:45.14 | Mephisto | yet still to be found whether it's any helpful and not just some random page they found :) |
| 17:45.39 | Mephisto | oh wel.. debian.org is not that random.. |
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| 17:46.30 | somiaj | JordiGH: hmm appears that its a combination of tar/ar according to wiki, as the a .deb has two tar archives inside of it, one for the binaries, one for the control |
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| 17:47.48 | themill | these days you'd do it as a giant CDATA section in an XML document, I guess... |
| 17:48.26 | somiaj | that sounds horrible, but I don't lke XML |
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| 17:54.00 | JordiGH | Mephisto: u mad bro? |
| 17:54.09 | Mephisto | hehe... |
| 17:54.17 | Mephisto | no, just bored. Sorry. |
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| 17:54.53 | fabio_ | hi |
| 17:55.05 | fabio_ | does anyone have experience with zend framework? |
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| 17:55.24 | fabio_ | im trying to acess my public folder but i dont see nothing |
| 17:55.29 | fabio_ | all blank |
| 17:55.46 | abrotman | fabio_: did you try asking ##php ? |
| 17:55.50 | abrotman | zend isn't in Debian last i checked |
| 17:56.27 | fabio_ | abchirk_, yeh but in php channel says its not php question |
| 17:56.27 | fabio_ | lol |
| 17:56.43 | somiaj | well its probabaly a support question for zend. |
| 17:56.54 | somiaj | I'd check their documentation, mailing lists, faq, etc |
| 17:57.02 | obiwahn | apt-cache search zend |grep ^zend |
| 17:57.02 | obiwahn | zendframework - powerful PHP framework |
| 17:57.02 | obiwahn | zendframework-bin - binary scripts for zendframework |
| 17:57.02 | obiwahn | zendframework-resources - resource scripts for zendframework |
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| 17:57.08 | fabio_ | well im using debian |
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| 17:57.31 | abrotman | fabio_: does it work without zend? |
| 17:57.32 | fabio_ | and ive tryed here because i guess many programmers do zend in debian |
| 17:57.32 | obiwahn | 4 lines ... |
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| 17:57.43 | abrotman | obiwahn: the force is not strong with you .. |
| 17:57.49 | obiwahn | :E |
| 17:58.03 | themill | obiwahn: 2 lines will get you glared at, 3 lines will get you told off, 4 lines will get you kicked. Very simple. |
| 17:58.12 | obiwahn | so it is in debian but i dont like php :) |
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| 17:59.14 | obiwahn | how is php5? any simple debugging capabilities and better object orientation? |
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| 18:00.46 | themill | obiwahn: -> ##php |
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| 18:01.20 | abrotman | fabio_: ? |
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| 18:01.34 | fabio_ | abrotman, yes |
| 18:01.45 | abrotman | yes what? |
| 18:01.51 | abrotman | yes to my question . or yes you're here ? |
| 18:02.12 | blink | is there an program I can run in X that will avoid burnin on a dashboard display? xscreensaver keeps blanking out the whole screen every once in a while, (dpms is disabled and the screen needs to always be visible), thanks |
| 18:02.49 | somiaj | blink: so you don't want your display to black out after a set time and use dpms? |
| 18:03.11 | blink | no, I have that part taken care of using cron. it turns off nightly |
| 18:03.12 | somiaj | blink: the screen blacking out and/or dpms is not a part of xscreensaver, that is a part of the xserver itself |
| 18:03.37 | somiaj | blink: xset s off -- turn off the default xserver blanking |
| 18:03.40 | blink | i just want to move pixels a bit using something to avoid burn in and the xscreensaver seems to crash, screen blanks for a second, then comes back |
| 18:03.46 | somiaj | you could also modify your xorg.conf to ensure that |
| 18:03.47 | blink | no, I know that ;) |
| 18:04.20 | somiaj | xlockmore is another screen saver alternative |
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| 18:06.45 | abrotman | blink: just run xsnow after five minutes of no mouse movement :) |
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| 18:09.31 | ploo | is btrfs production ready? |
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| 18:11.54 | somiaj | hmm, xsnow is only available on i386 -- was someone having fun with assembly programing who made that |
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| 18:14.03 | Mephisto | could anyone explain me the purpose of any of these: http://89.28.122.14:8080/Screenshot.png |
| 18:14.10 | Mephisto | i just wanna know what's really neccessary for me and what's not. |
| 18:14.24 | Mephisto | without getting deep into it. |
| 18:14.33 | Mephisto | would that help to free up my memory? |
| 18:14.40 | Mephisto | by disabling unnecessary stuff |
| 18:14.53 | somiaj | rsync is a very nice copying tool |
| 18:15.00 | somiaj | lm-sensors is nice if you want to read hardware tempatures |
| 18:15.17 | somiaj | though why not just type 'apt-cache show pkgname' and read the details |
| 18:15.18 | Mephisto | well yeah, i would like that, but it doesn't read temperature. |
| 18:15.35 | Mephisto | i've installed that for Conky, but it doesn't detect my cores temperature, i stull dunno why. |
| 18:15.47 | Mephisto | good idea... well some things i do know. |
| 18:15.51 | Mephisto | ok, thanks |
| 18:16.24 | abrotman | somiaj: it's pretty old, and non-free |
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| 18:16.44 | somiaj | duh, notice the only for i386 part but not the non-free part...haha |
| 18:16.45 | Mephisto | what is? |
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| 18:16.51 | Mephisto | xsnow? |
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| 18:18.34 | jhutchins_wk | Mephisto: Did you run sensors-detect? |
| 18:18.47 | Mephisto | jhutchins, yep. Wanna see the outcome? |
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| 18:19.21 | jhutchins_wk | No, that's for you to read and understand. |
| 18:19.48 | Mephisto | well, the thing is, it shows at least no errors or anything. |
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| 18:20.03 | Mephisto | i don't dig most of that stuff so that's the end line for me. |
| 18:20.43 | Mephisto | jhutchins_wk, http://pastebin.com/srrVi8Nk |
| 18:20.52 | Mephisto | do take a look yourself, sir. |
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| 18:21.23 | jhutchins_wk | Mine gets pretty nonsense values. I haven't yet bothered to go in and fix them. |
| 18:21.34 | Mephisto | conky has a line to detect temperature.. coming right up. I believe it's deprecated though. |
| 18:21.41 | jhutchins_wk | It had some settings on my last MB where the low alarm was higher than the high alarm. |
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| 18:22.03 | Mephisto | Core 1: ${freq 1} MHz Temprature: $color ${exec sensors|grep ‘Core0′|awk ‘{print $3}’} |
| 18:22.07 | Mephisto | that's for one of the cores. |
| 18:22.19 | Mephisto | so basically.. it executes sensors... and then i'm losing it. |
| 18:22.30 | Mephisto | maybe the line is actually wrong.. but it's supposed to be standard. |
| 18:22.46 | jhutchins_wk | Mephisto: I just use the sensors command. You can tweak the configuration manually until it makes sense, or search for someone who's already done that for your motherboard. |
| 18:22.52 | jelly-home | Mephisto: your quotes are all weird on irc |
| 18:23.09 | Mephisto | jelly-home, huh? |
| 18:23.15 | Mephisto | jelly-home, what do you mean pal |
| 18:23.27 | jelly-home | ‘ and ′ and ’ instead of a simple ' |
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| 18:24.07 | Mephisto | pfff... |
| 18:24.14 | Mephisto | why would that bother you anyway? :) |
| 18:24.15 | jelly-home | Mephisto: can you pastebin the actual config file? |
| 18:24.19 | Mephisto | sure. |
| 18:24.27 | Mephisto | ', ", ` |
| 18:24.38 | Mephisto | i use most beloved ones - " " |
| 18:24.45 | jelly-home | Mephisto: it doesn't bother me as much as it bothers a unix shell. |
| 18:24.46 | Mephisto | and what you showed is diferent |
| 18:24.51 | Mephisto | ahhh |
| 18:24.52 | Mephisto | hahahaha |
| 18:25.01 | jelly-home | <Mephisto> Core 1: ${freq 1} MHz Temprature: $color ${exec sensors|grep ‘Core0′|awk ‘{print $3}’} <-- wrong |
| 18:25.04 | Mephisto | well... i believe it's a failed paste |
| 18:25.16 | Mephisto | i understood, but most of it works, so i might assume that's not the issue, sir. |
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| 18:25.38 | jelly-home | I might not assume anything if you can't even PASTE! |
| 18:25.38 | Mephisto | jelly-home, ok, wait. |
| 18:25.55 | Mephisto | you might just ... become silent, sir :) |
| 18:26.21 | Mephisto | does paste thing require any cosmic abilities? :) |
| 18:26.49 | Mephisto | http://pastebin.com/mPcd1Fr1 |
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| 18:26.52 | jelly-home | pasting the characters as-is would be nice for a start, if you want to get any help |
| 18:26.56 | somiaj | Mephisto: dose typing 'sensors' return you any info? |
| 18:27.09 | Mephisto | somiaj, yeah, wait. |
| 18:27.29 | jelly-home | Mephisto: yeah, they're broken even in the file you just pasteit. |
| 18:27.32 | jelly-home | pasted |
| 18:27.51 | Mephisto | it can be browser-to-a-file paste failure. |
| 18:27.56 | jelly-home | this can happen if you copied them from a wordpress site |
| 18:27.58 | Mephisto | but that didn't reflect on anything |
| 18:28.02 | Mephisto | maybe. BUT... |
| 18:28.09 | jelly-home | except that things don't work |
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| 18:28.16 | Mephisto | i remember the other time i DOWNLOADED it and it didn't work... but maybe you're sure. |
| 18:28.18 | Mephisto | let me check. |
| 18:28.22 | Mephisto | somiaj, http://pastebin.com/iQ9th5Ef |
| 18:28.47 | jelly-home | Mephisto: try using the pastebinit tool. pastebinit -b http://paste.debian.net < file |
| 18:28.47 | Mephisto | so which quotes should i use instead? |
| 18:29.03 | Mephisto | pl |
| 18:29.04 | Mephisto | ok |
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| 18:29.22 | zachc | how do you add a gpg key to your apt? |
| 18:29.46 | simonlnu | import the ascii-armoured file |
| 18:29.57 | zachc | what's the command |
| 18:30.06 | themill | zachc: man apt-key |
| 18:30.12 | simonlnu | apt-key --help |
| 18:30.13 | zachc | ah, apt-get |
| 18:30.25 | zachc | I was manning dpkg and apt-get and not finding gpg with / |
| 18:30.27 | zachc | thanks |
| 18:30.41 | Mephisto | jelly-home, http://paste.debian.net/155605/ |
| 18:30.46 | simonlnu | ok |
| 18:31.03 | jelly-home | Mephisto: yeah, those are broken. |
| 18:31.09 | Mephisto | ok, how do i fix it? |
| 18:31.17 | Mephisto | i don't know what kinda quotes there are needed. |
| 18:31.31 | jelly-home | normal single quotes, ' |
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| 18:31.36 | simonlnu | this is where knowing some syntax helps |
| 18:31.39 | Mephisto | ok |
| 18:31.42 | Mephisto | ' |
| 18:31.45 | Mephisto | got it. |
| 18:31.53 | abrotman | !enter |
| 18:31.54 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 18:32.06 | jelly-home | Mephisto: ${exec sensors|grep Core0|awk '{print $1}'} |
| 18:32.22 | Mephisto | no quotes for Core?.. |
| 18:32.29 | simonlnu | why? |
| 18:33.21 | jelly-home | Mephisto: no quotes are needed for a single word with only alphanumeric ascii |
| 18:33.24 | Mephisto | ok. |
| 18:33.29 | Mephisto | but those were THERE initially. |
| 18:33.37 | Mephisto | broken or anything, but there were there. |
| 18:33.38 | jelly-home | and did they work? |
| 18:33.41 | Mephisto | nope. |
| 18:33.47 | Mephisto | ok, removing it. |
| 18:33.59 | jelly-home | Mephisto: also, pastebin the output of "sensors" command |
| 18:34.09 | Mephisto | i did. |
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| 18:34.14 | Mephisto | you missed it. |
| 18:34.17 | jelly-home | I must have. |
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| 18:34.25 | Mephisto | http://pastebin.com/iQ9th5Ef |
| 18:34.31 | no_gravity | Help! Ubuntu killed my Debian installation. I have a debian base installation at sda7 that i use as /boot for an encrypted debian installation at in an lvm in sda8. Today i booted into my ubuntu partition and it updated grub. Now when I boot into sda7, i dont get asked for the password for sda8 anymore. Instead the debian base system at sda7 is booted. What can I do to get back my main debian installation? |
| 18:35.03 | jelly-home | Mephisto: notice there is no mention of "Core0" anywhere in the output |
| 18:35.06 | Mephisto | yep. |
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| 18:35.15 | simonlnu | damn that meanie ubuntu killing your debian install! |
| 18:35.22 | jelly-home | Mephisto: so there's nothing for grep to find |
| 18:35.29 | Mephisto | well ok, so what do i do? |
| 18:35.46 | simonlnu | no_gravity: re-run grub for the debian |
| 18:36.09 | no_gravity | simonlnu: how? |
| 18:36.18 | jelly-home | Mephisto: 1) figure out whether the information you want actually is present in that output 2) figure out how to pick just the number you need |
| 18:36.45 | jelly-home | then adapt the command to do that |
| 18:37.26 | Mephisto | i see |
| 18:37.27 | Mephisto | ok, thanks |
| 18:37.33 | jelly-home | Mephisto: eg. to pick just the line containing the word temp1, do "sensors | grep temp1" |
| 18:37.40 | jhutchins_wk | no_gravity: Mount the encrypted partition and re-run update-grub, preferably from Debian rather than ubuntu. |
| 18:37.47 | Mephisto | ok, let's try it. |
| 18:37.57 | Mephisto | that's kinda obvious though :) |
| 18:38.05 | no_gravity | jhutchins_wk: mount it with cryptsetup? and to where? |
| 18:38.48 | abrotman | tells jelly-home about fishing |
| 18:38.57 | jelly-home | Mephisto: sorry, I can't figure out what's obvious to you. Using correct quotes for shell syntax is obvious to me |
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| 18:40.35 | jelly-home | Mephisto: also fun: telling grep to display only the line containing "k10temp" and two lines below it: grep -A2 k10temp |
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| 18:41.45 | no_gravity | nobody here who is good with grub? |
| 18:42.12 | jelly-home | Mephisto: even more fun: telling awk to display only the second and third word in a row: awk '{print $2$3}' |
| 18:42.22 | abrotman | #grub is .. |
| 18:42.42 | abrotman | tells jelly-home about spoonfeeding |
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| 18:42.45 | jelly-home | Mephisto: now combine all of those into a single command using pipes |
| 18:43.04 | jelly-home | abrotman: what! I didn't give him the complete command. |
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| 18:43.27 | jelly-home | that's $10 via paypal |
| 18:43.36 | abrotman | why would he pay you .. |
| 18:43.45 | jelly-home | sheer gratitude |
| 18:44.31 | themill | maybe he wants the fork to go with the spoon |
| 18:44.35 | simonlnu | no_gravity: we told you how to do it. now go do it. |
| 18:44.42 | jelly-home | amusingly, sensors|grep 'Core 0' |awk '{print $3}' would work on my intel cpu. His amd... less so |
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| 18:45.24 | no_gravity | simonlnu: you said "re-run grub". you mean grub-update? and from where? from the boot-partition? that one probably doesnt know anything about the encrypted partition. |
| 18:46.05 | somiaj | no_gravity: you'll want to chroot into your encrypted partition after you mount it (probabaly want to mount dev and proc inthere as well) and then rerun 'grub-install' |
| 18:46.11 | simonlnu | update-grub. jhutchins_wk told you what to do too |
| 18:46.21 | simonlnu | 2+2=4 |
| 18:46.35 | no_gravity | somiaj: huiuiuiuiui. you mean mounting it with cryptsetup? |
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| 18:49.17 | somiaj | no_gravity: I guess, I thought you had it mounted. I don't use encrypted partitions or lvm as they are both unneeded complications for my use. (: |
| 18:50.24 | qckheavy | i have installed ftpd. and i can login as a linux user but i can browse other maps to. how can i force user only in its hoem directory ? |
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| 18:50.47 | abrotman | qckheavy: google "chroot <yourftpd>" |
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| 18:52.30 | dr_traktor | I installed Google Chrome. How do I create a shortcut to it? |
| 18:53.17 | somiaj | dr_traktor: any reason why you want to use that over 'chromium'? |
| 18:53.39 | somiaj | dr_traktor: as for a short cut that depends on your DE/WM you are using, debian has lots of choices for that. |
| 18:53.51 | zachc | how do you disable ipv6 in debian? |
| 18:53.56 | dr_traktor | somiaj, wait a sec didn't know these were separate things. |
| 18:54.34 | valdyn | !disable ipv6 |
| 18:54.34 | dpkg | From Squeeze onwards, <IPv6> is built into the kernel (excluding the loongson-2f flavour). To disable IPv6 use, add the kernel command line option ipv6.disable=1 to your bootloader. |
| 18:55.19 | somiaj | dr_traktor: google-chrome is the opensource chromium with its additions (logo, and other non-free stuff, google-chrome ships with flash afiak as another thing) |
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| 18:55.49 | somiaj | dr_traktor: but chromium is in the debian repos, you can just install that and it should integrate with what ever desktop/wm you are using and have a menu entry |
| 18:56.20 | dr_traktor | somiaj, ah I see. Probably I should be using Google Chrome unless Chromium has the exact same capabilities regarding Native Client. |
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| 18:56.27 | dr_traktor | somiaj, so I have Gnome. |
| 18:56.42 | zachc | valdyn: thanks |
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| 18:57.25 | somiaj | dr_traktor: what do you mean? The difference between the two is mostly non-free logos and being shipped with additional plugins you can get other ways |
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| 18:58.08 | dr_traktor | somiaj, is chromium updated just as regularly as Google Chrome? I had the impression that Debian packages get updated only once in about two years. |
| 18:58.34 | somiaj | dr_traktor: you can get backports or make your own |
| 18:58.45 | dr_traktor | somiaj, or I can install Google Chrome. |
| 18:58.55 | somiaj | dr_traktor: the work google puts into google-chrome is mostly done in the opensource chromium base upstream |
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| 18:59.12 | somiaj | dr_traktor: well that isn't supported in debian and you leave it up to google to provide you packages. |
| 18:59.20 | DeM0nFiRe | So, I just did apt-get remove emacs, and emacs isn't gone :| |
| 18:59.40 | Younos | what did it do, remove vim instead? |
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| 19:00.12 | somiaj | DeM0nFiRe: emacs is actually in varous different packages |
| 19:00.12 | DeM0nFiRe | No, it removed the info about the package from the installed packages list but the software is still there |
| 19:00.20 | somiaj | DeM0nFiRe: dpkg -l | grep emacs |
| 19:00.27 | DeM0nFiRe | Oh, right duh |
| 19:00.29 | octeris | somiaj: I've never figured out a good PDF reader plugin for chromium however. |
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| 19:00.42 | somiaj | DeM0nFiRe: emacs is just a meta package that says one of the various verions of emacs is installed |
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| 19:00.53 | pitufo88 | hello, im trying to create a debian user with root privilegies.. how can i do that ? I used "adduser" cmd to create user... but i dont understand how can i change this user to root group |
| 19:01.11 | somiaj | octeris: I prefer external applications, I use to use xpdf for its simplicty, but evince is what I use now as it reads more pdfs correctly |
| 19:01.13 | valdyn | pitufo88: the root group does not have root privileges |
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| 19:01.30 | octeris | somiaj: I like being able to read pdfs in-browser. |
| 19:01.38 | hyper_ch | Hi there, I wonder, if I add a new user using adduser.... and I would like two users to have the same "user id" in /etc/passwd.... is it bad to manually alter the newly added user and change the id? |
| 19:01.40 | valdyn | pitufo88: you can add a user to a group "adduser username groupname" |
| 19:01.44 | somiaj | pitufo88: really only the user 'root' has root privlages, but with 'sudo' and adding a user to the 'sudo' group, that user can use sudo to run something as root if desired |
| 19:02.05 | somiaj | octeris: have you looked at mozplugger (not sure if chromium supports it but I use to use it in firefox/iceweasel) |
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| 19:02.07 | pitufo88 | what file i need edit to do that |
| 19:02.16 | valdyn | hyper_ch: thats a bad idea |
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| 19:02.28 | somiaj | pitufo88: apt-get install sudo -- make sure you have the package, and then 'adduser username sudo' |
| 19:02.28 | octeris | somiaj: No, I just started using google-chrome instead of chromium. |
| 19:02.35 | hyper_ch | valdyn: why so? |
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| 19:02.51 | pitufo88 | somiaj: sudo es group user? |
| 19:02.53 | pitufo88 | aha |
| 19:02.55 | valdyn | hyper_ch: because 2 names for the same thing implies a distinction where there is none |
| 19:02.59 | somiaj | octeris: mozplugger is a plugin that allows you to run external apps inside of your browser, so basically you could reparent evinces window into your browser, etc |
| 19:03.23 | somiaj | pitufo88: by default any user in the 'sudo' group has full sudo privalges with their password. |
| 19:03.27 | hyper_ch | valdyn: there is one... different "login" names with different passwords |
| 19:04.13 | pitufo88 | somiaj: I created my user. How can I switch my user to sudo group ? |
| 19:04.23 | valdyn | hyper_ch: you dont need that, use one user one password and avoid breaking various things |
| 19:04.27 | somiaj | pitufo88: 'adduser username sudo' |
| 19:04.41 | tdrusk | we have a ton of users(windows) that need offsite backups. we want to run the server at our hosting facility. What's the easiest way to do this? I have looked into amanda and zmanda, but if it can be made easier that would be great. |
| 19:04.45 | somiaj | pitufo88: then any command you want to run as root, type 'sudo command' -- when it asks for a password, enter in your users password. |
| 19:04.58 | hyper_ch | valdyn: but why is it still bad to have two users with same uid? |
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| 19:05.24 | somiaj | tdrusk: by offsite, you won't be on some exteneded network and can just use samba for windows networking? |
| 19:05.45 | somiaj | hyper_ch: would they really be two users? |
| 19:05.53 | valdyn | hyper_ch: its one user with 2 names, not 2 users. This is confusing wherever an uid is mapped to a name |
| 19:06.13 | pitufo88 | somiaj: thanks. whats a typicall cmd that I can test my sudo user? ... I need check if I have root privilegies. |
| 19:06.36 | valdyn | hyper_ch: like "who" or "top" or "ls -l", all those basic things break |
| 19:06.37 | somiaj | pitufo88: type groups, make sure you are in the sudo group, if not log out and back in |
| 19:06.43 | somiaj | pitufo88: you can run ANY command with sudo. |
| 19:06.58 | hyper_ch | valdyn: somiaj: well, acess to files would be all the same... it's just simpler to provide two login names with passwords |
| 19:07.08 | pitufo88 | somiaj: tellme any command that I can run with ONLY with root privilegies. |
| 19:07.22 | p01s0nb1t | apt-get update ? |
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| 19:07.31 | somiaj | pitufo88: the only one I can think of is a smartass remark, (: |
| 19:07.48 | pitufo88 | .. ? |
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| 19:09.08 | somiaj | pitufo88: p01s0nb1t suggestion was probabaly the best. |
| 19:09.22 | somiaj | pitufo88: my suggestion would have been 'rm -rf /' but you really really do not want to do that. |
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| 19:09.53 | aadil | pff, all hardcore linux users need to do that at least once |
| 19:10.00 | aadil | it's like an initiation step |
| 19:10.02 | aadil | ;) |
| 19:10.14 | somiaj | aadil: to learn to not trust people on irc. |
| 19:10.15 | p01s0nb1t | or any command in /sbin/ should now be in your path... i.e. fdisk -l (listing, inofensive) should work with sudo |
| 19:10.32 | vsync | most of the distros have safety stuff that triggers with rm -rf / |
| 19:10.32 | p01s0nb1t | chmod a file to other user that is not your user |
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| 19:10.40 | pitufo88 | somiaj: apt-get update is a nice cmd to check it, thanks |
| 19:10.46 | somiaj | pitufo88: if sudo runs a command it runs it as root. so the command you use shouldn't matter |
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| 19:10.57 | pitufo88 | yeah |
| 19:11.00 | somiaj | pitufo88: the only issue is does it authenticate you correctly which you could do with any command |
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| 19:12.34 | jelly-home | rm: it is dangerous to operate recursively on `/' |
| 19:12.34 | jelly-home | rm: use --no-preserve-root to override this failsafe |
| 19:12.42 | jhutchins_wk | aadil: The real trick is to do a find -exec rm -f {} \; without defining a search term. |
| 19:13.25 | jhutchins_wk | So much hand holding these days. |
| 19:13.28 | pitufo88 | somiaj: when I type "sudo" before the command, automatically Im running the command with root user ?! |
| 19:13.43 | p01s0nb1t | yes |
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| 19:13.56 | jelly-home | if it's configured to let you |
| 19:14.00 | jhutchins_wk | pitufo88: Perhaps the manpage for sudo would be of interest to you. |
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| 19:14.07 | pitufo88 | ok then sudo group is equal to have root privilegies... |
| 19:14.22 | pitufo88 | right? |
| 19:14.23 | tdrusk | somiaj: basically I want to put software on clients computers, select the files I want to backup, and have it send changed files to the server. |
| 19:14.27 | p01s0nb1t | yes, but more auditable than bash_history |
| 19:14.29 | ompaul | pitufo88: keep reading it gets better |
| 19:15.08 | somiaj | tdrusk: I don't know of any tool off the top of my head, I was just saying if they had a local network, you could have everything backup onto a linux machine running samba via the windows networking tools |
| 19:15.10 | jhutchins_wk | tdrusk: You might want to look at CrashPlan. |
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| 19:15.35 | p01s0nb1t | tdrusk: I was going to recomend backuppc as an option, but if I remember ok it uses smb for windows clients, (not an option outside your LANs) |
| 19:15.37 | somiaj | tdrusk: and then you could have that machine make another ofsite backup using standard linux/nix tools |
| 19:16.19 | somiaj | pitufo88: yes, now you can really customize sudo to give paticuarl groups and/or users some or all commands they run as root |
| 19:16.23 | tdrusk | thanks guys :) |
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| 19:16.36 | vsync | jelly-home yeah but there's some failsafes even for '--no-preserve-root' on some distros |
| 19:16.37 | somiaj | pitufo88: for ease of use for people the defaults is to give the sudo group all privalges, but in a more complicated system you want to change that |
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| 19:17.32 | oops | What does this output mean: $ type netcat => netcat is hashed (/bin/netcat) |
| 19:18.17 | p01s0nb1t | that netcat has been run |
| 19:18.19 | p01s0nb1t | before |
| 19:18.32 | p01s0nb1t | and it's in the bash "internal hash table of program locations" |
| 19:18.42 | p01s0nb1t | help hash, or help type |
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| 19:20.00 | p01s0nb1t | oops: are you parsing the output? then maybe: type -P netcat |
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| 19:20.35 | oops | p01s0nb1t, parsing with my eyes. I want to know the meaning of "is hashed". what does that mean? |
| 19:20.51 | oops | thanks for the -P tip though. it makes it behave like which command |
| 19:20.55 | p01s0nb1t | that bash will not search into $PATH next time you use the program |
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| 19:21.26 | oops | p01s0nb1t, that's great. how can I make my own programs hashed? |
| 19:21.33 | p01s0nb1t | help hash |
| 19:21.57 | p01s0nb1t | hash iptables /sbin/iptables |
| 19:22.03 | p01s0nb1t | hash -p |
| 19:22.04 | oops | great! |
| 19:22.05 | p01s0nb1t | etc.. |
| 19:22.08 | p01s0nb1t | :) |
| 19:22.11 | p01s0nb1t | have fun |
| 19:22.13 | Dan39 | why the hell dont the aptitude man tell you all the search flags, like i, A, p, etc. its so annoying having to go elsewhere and all |
| 19:22.20 | cm13g09 | hi all, I'm building a live-boot PXE image for a somewhat specialised case where I need to prohibit access to the hard disks, but live-build seems to set up sudo at boot time so the live user has root. Anyone know of a way to disable ide/sata at boot and prevent root being able to re-enable |
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| 19:22.39 | dr_traktor | So what is the standard way of automounting stuff at startup? Where should I put the mount script? |
| 19:22.52 | Dan39 | dr_traktor: fstab o_O |
| 19:23.05 | cm13g09 | I know it's a little bit of a specialised case, but for various reasons, the local disks need to be completely inaccessible by the live image |
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| 19:23.40 | p01s0nb1t | cm13g09: mmm I was going to say blacklisting kernel modules at boot time, but not sure if root can load them latter |
| 19:23.55 | dr_traktor | Dan39, should I manually edit the fstab file? |
| 19:24.02 | cm13g09 | p01s0nb1t: the problem is, the target hardware doesn't seem to use anything except libata |
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| 19:24.27 | cm13g09 | I unloaded ata_piix, and the /dev/sdX nodes were still accessible |
| 19:24.37 | Dan39 | dr_traktor: i believe so... thats how ive always done it |
| 19:24.39 | cm13g09 | the really painful bit is, I need to *permit* USB keyzs |
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| 19:24.46 | Dan39 | sudo vim /etc/fstab |
| 19:24.48 | Dan39 | :P |
| 19:24.48 | cm13g09 | s/keyzs/keys/ |
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| 19:25.34 | p01s0nb1t | cm13g09: changing device rights is not a solution too, root chan chmod them again... I can't think now in other solution than se-linux or something like :-( |
| 19:25.50 | Dan39 | dr_traktor: just follow the examples :P |
| 19:25.53 | cm13g09 | p01s0nb1t: I can only think the solution is to rebuild kernel |
| 19:26.10 | cm13g09 | and exclude the ide/sata modules |
| 19:26.14 | p01s0nb1t | well, that will work for sure |
| 19:26.19 | cm13g09 | but leave USB mass storage enabled |
| 19:26.28 | cm13g09 | but that's somewhat last-resort |
| 19:26.46 | Dan39 | dr_traktor: what are you wanting mounted? |
| 19:26.57 | cm13g09 | but I get the feeling we're already in last resort territory! |
| 19:27.03 | Dan39 | an extra HDD permanently hooked up, usb, network,,,? |
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| 19:27.24 | dr_traktor | Dan39, a vbox shared library. |
| 19:27.31 | Dan39 | dont forget to put in the right filesystem etc. you know what ext3 ext4, ntfs-3g is? |
| 19:27.53 | Dan39 | what the hell is a vbox shared library o_O |
| 19:28.29 | cm13g09 | Dan39: I suspect dr_traktor is talking about a virtualbox shared folder |
| 19:28.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | cm13g09, you're just thinking into the wrong direction... the solution is so simple: disconnect the HD drives |
| 19:28.40 | Dan39 | cm13g09: i figured vbox was virtual box... |
| 19:28.42 | cm13g09 | CutMeOwnThroat: we can't open the machines.... |
| 19:29.09 | dr_traktor | yes |
| 19:29.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | the point is... software's made to access hardware |
| 19:29.12 | dr_traktor | i can mount it from shell |
| 19:29.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | of course you could rm the kernel module |
| 19:29.20 | dr_traktor | thanks for the info |
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| 19:29.37 | cm13g09 | CutMeOwnThroat: it's looking suspiciously like I may have to rm the /dev/nodes |
| 19:29.41 | cm13g09 | on boot |
| 19:29.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | but you can't prevent someone from putting a new one in |
| 19:29.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | mknod /dev/nodes |
| 19:30.05 | cm13g09 | CutMeOwnThroat: yeah, we're aware of that |
| 19:30.17 | DeM0nFiRe | CutMeOwnThroat Dibbler? :P |
| 19:30.30 | cm13g09 | but I think if people are determined enough.... they'll have their own ideas |
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| 19:30.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | DeM0nFiRe, sausage inna bun? Get them while they're still... err... bun-shaped |
| 19:30.42 | cm13g09 | and they'll always find a way around it |
| 19:30.46 | DeM0nFiRe | Haha nice |
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| 19:31.12 | cm13g09 | CutMeOwnThroat: I'm wondering if it's possible to customise live-build's sudoers file |
| 19:31.26 | cm13g09 | and therefore prevent the live user becoming root |
| 19:31.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | sure... make your own live cd |
| 19:31.43 | cm13g09 | CutMeOwnThroat: I'm doing that |
| 19:31.46 | cm13g09 | anyway |
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| 19:32.13 | cm13g09 | it's just a case of live images seem to build /etc/sudoers at boot |
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| 19:32.13 | p01s0nb1t | cm13g09: it's targeted to any task ? |
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| 19:32.23 | cm13g09 | p01s0nb1t: it's literalyl going to be running a web browser |
| 19:32.38 | cm13g09 | that's about it |
| 19:32.40 | p01s0nb1t | there are some "kiosk mode" already done (only for browsing i.e.) ut I do not remember the project name |
| 19:32.52 | martin__ | ./nick |
| 19:32.58 | p01s0nb1t | maybe people in debian-live in irc.d.o know the name better |
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| 19:33.05 | cm13g09 | ah right |
| 19:33.12 | cm13g09 | debian-live has its own IRC |
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| 19:33.28 | cm13g09 | is that mirrored onto freenode |
| 19:33.28 | p01s0nb1t | yes, in irc.debian.org |
| 19:33.35 | somiaj | yea the docs on live.debian.net are good to, though if you want more cusomtization than they give you, you may have to start making your own debian packages. |
| 19:33.47 | cm13g09 | somiaj: that's OK - can do that ;) |
| 19:34.03 | somiaj | cm13g09: debians offical irc network is irc.oftc.net |
| 19:34.11 | cm13g09 | somiaj: ok |
| 19:34.33 | webad_13 | using vnc4server and I get smeared letters when I run MS Office via playonlinux - however this does not happen if I use X forwarding... where should I look to solve the issue - smeared letters are in the ribbon if that matters |
| 19:34.37 | somiaj | cm13g09: because the live system is extracted from a package base at boot, so for the suders problem you may have to write a custom sudo package, or better yet just remove it from the pool of packages on the live system. |
| 19:34.51 | cm13g09 | somiaj: ok |
| 19:34.52 | somiaj | cm13g09: my nieve understanding of the debian-live system is it is mostly a package list |
| 19:35.06 | somiaj | cm13g09: with tools to take the package list and turn it into a live system running in memeory |
| 19:35.13 | p01s0nb1t | cm13g09: the project I said was called webconverger |
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| 19:35.24 | cm13g09 | will go ask in #debian-live |
| 19:36.01 | p01s0nb1t | debian-live based, kiosk-mode, no superuser, no disk, etc http://webconverger.org/design/ |
| 19:36.14 | p01s0nb1t | I've never used it, just know it from such channel |
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| 19:39.33 | cm13g09 | p01s0nb1t: shock horror - you can disable root access using boot params |
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| 19:40.16 | p01s0nb1t | cool |
| 19:40.43 | cm13g09 | p01s0nb1t: plus other stuff |
| 19:40.49 | cm13g09 | I may have to document this situation |
| 19:41.30 | assurbanipal | guys i installed debian but face this: from tty as root i get wifi working with internet. but as user from gnome i dont get to manage wireless connection |
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| 19:41.37 | p01s0nb1t | I'm some time without using the project, but I liked when I needed it |
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| 19:42.37 | p01s0nb1t | assurbanipal: I don't use/know it, but you have to choice between using the interfaces file, or network manager, (or wicd, or...) no both at the same time |
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| 19:45.38 | assurbanipal | p01s0nb1t, when i connect to x and login i cannot get to wifi connections, it is disabled. I switch to tty1 as root and with ip link set wlan0 up, wifi works and connects. but not from within gnome. If i try that while connected to x, x hangs. If i do it before connecting to x, root on tty has internet but not x user |
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| 19:46.27 | p01s0nb1t | maybe your user need some extra group ? |
| 19:47.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | that one's impossible: root on tty has internet but not x user |
| 19:47.33 | nsadmin | he just means he can set it up there |
| 19:47.48 | valerie_ | I got a new AMD Atlon X2 64 motherboard. Both CPU fan and chassis fan are spinning too fast. I did not find any BIOS features hat would work to control the fan. Is there an application I can install to control fan's speed? |
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| 19:48.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | nsadmin, hard to set up something in gnome if you don't run X |
| 19:48.25 | assurbanipal | p01s0nb1t, can u please guide me?i think it might be something like that... |
| 19:48.33 | nsadmin | I think he just did ctrl-alt-f1 |
| 19:48.37 | p01s0nb1t | as said, I don't use neither like network-manager, and gnome was out of my desktops time ago |
| 19:48.47 | nsadmin | so x still runs he just doesn't see it at the moment |
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| 19:49.08 | p01s0nb1t | assurbanipal: maybe check README* in /usr/share/doc/network-manager, that is what I use to do after install something |
| 19:49.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | gnomes network-manager automatically disables itself if you have anything set up in /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 19:51.40 | valerie_ | I got new AMD X2 64 motherboard. Both the CPU fan and chassis fan spinning at max speed. I could not find any features in BIOS to control fan's speed that would work. Any applications I could install to slow down/control the speed of fans? |
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| 19:52.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | duh... perhaps... "fancontrol"? |
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| 19:54.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | valerie_, for a more complete list of options, how about apt-cache search lm-sensors |
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| 19:59.10 | blink | abrotman: amd64 machine |
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| 19:59.25 | valerie_ | CutMeOwnThroat, thanks, I will try it |
| 19:59.29 | blink | just need to do something to help avoid burn-in on the screen |
| 19:59.31 | jhutchins_wk | valerie_: The cpufreq utils might also help. |
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| 19:59.50 | jhutchins_wk | blink: You have a CRT? |
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| 20:02.23 | blink | jhutchins_wk: no, it's a LCD tv I think, xscrensaver was tried already |
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| 20:04.02 | blink | I tried turning on the "distort" xscreensaver, to keep the screen more or less visible while it was trying to avoid burn in |
| 20:04.30 | blink | but it seems to either crash, or cause the whole screen to reset to the grey checkerboard pattern, then restore itself, and run again |
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| 20:06.01 | jhutchins_wk | blink: LCD's can |
| 20:06.05 | jhutchins_wk | 't " |
| 20:06.12 | jhutchins_wk | Grr. |
| 20:06.19 | jhutchins_wk | blink: LCD's can't burn in. |
| 20:06.34 | jhutchins_wk | blink: The background light is on full time. |
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| 20:07.03 | jhutchins_wk | blink: You can turn the display off with the right signal and that saves the lamp, but you won't get a pattern burned into the screen. |
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| 20:08.24 | jhutchins_wk | blink: On old CRTs the phosphors on the screen gradually lost strength as they were used. This meant that a persistent pattern like a cursor or a login prompt would become permanently visible on the screen as a duller section of the phosphors when lit, and often visible even when the screen was off. |
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| 20:09.09 | jhutchins_wk | blink: "Screen savers" really just tried to even out the burn, but even early on were more about fun graphics than function. |
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| 20:10.21 | Wargasm | jhutchins_wk: I had a CRT that had a windows shutdown screen burned into it... very annoying when I used to game |
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| 20:12.22 | jhutchins_wk | An lcd screen is a liquid crystal filter in front of a flat flourscent lamp. The lamp can dim or burn out with age, but will not form a pattern, and the crystal filter will not experience any aging. |
| 20:12.31 | dondelelcaro | about the only thing you can get with LCDs besides lamp failure is stuck pixels |
| 20:12.59 | jhutchins_wk | Right, and that's not related to how much a particular pixel is used. |
| 20:13.48 | dondelelcaro | it may have some relationship to how often it's flipped, but it's not something you can help by running a screensaver. |
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| 20:15.31 | mibocote | what happens with cronjobs if you correct a significant drift on the system clock? I'm guessing they get skipped |
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| 20:16.28 | Sid9 | hi all |
| 20:17.32 | Sid9 | I have installed Debian KDE Squeeze and I have an issue with sound, I have sound but only with one program, do you now where I can find documentation about this problem ? |
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| 20:18.19 | blink | jhutchins_wk: ok, I'll just leave it as is then. I rememember the reason the CRTs burned but wasn't sure if the amount of pink in this dashboard would kill it |
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| 20:18.34 | blink | plasma is a different story though, I think? |
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| 20:18.52 | blink | in any case, thanks. I'll use xset to turn dpms on and off per the office schedule. :) |
| 20:18.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | Sid9, you mean you can't play sound from 2 programs at the same time? |
| 20:19.13 | Sid9 | yes CutMeOwnThroat, cannot open two instance of Vlc or vlc and iceweasel |
| 20:19.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's so 90ies |
| 20:19.29 | jhutchins_wk | blink: Yes, plasma is subject to burn-in afik. |
| 20:19.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | I thought that can't happen anymore |
| 20:19.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, dmix |
| 20:19.35 | dpkg | dmix is an <ALSA> subsystem allowing an audio device to play multiple sound streams simultaneously, without the need for an external sound server. See http://alsa.opensrc.org/Dmix for more information. A sample asound.conf is at http://img.hexus.net/v2/features/foss/a3/images/asound.conf |
| 20:19.41 | GVolkmann | Can anyone suggest the most efficient way to do a recursive count of files? |
| 20:20.05 | Sid9 | ok, thanks CutMeOwnThroat will going to read this |
| 20:20.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | Sid9, ^^^ but I thought that's all obsolete and doesn't happen anymore anyway |
| 20:20.12 | nsadmin | find /dir | wc -l |
| 20:20.20 | nsadmin | or |
| 20:20.28 | nsadmin | find /dir -type f | wc -l |
| 20:20.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | slips some newlines into nsadmins filenames |
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| 20:20.46 | GVolkmann | nsadmin: merci |
| 20:20.52 | nkuttler | GVolkmann: also man find.. |
| 20:20.56 | nsadmin | man find for details |
| 20:21.06 | jhutchins_wk | CutMeOwnThroat: Depends, there's still some cheap hardware out there. |
| 20:21.33 | nsadmin | (usually find looks like: find dir dir dir dir expression |
| 20:21.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | jhutchins_wk, I thought the solution came from the software side and dmix is enabled in all alsa drivers automatically... |
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| 20:22.40 | nsadmin | what you need to see, is the overall form of find, and then you need to see how to make expressions |
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| 20:24.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | jhutchins_wk, admittedly I didn't care to read much about it when all problems with it disappeared :) |
| 20:25.38 | jhutchins_wk | CutMeOwnThroat: Seems to still crop up from time to time. Pulseaudio is supposed to fix it (even though it's mostly already fixed). |
| 20:25.48 | mrBliss | I find it surprisingly hard to find a (preferably fast) mirror with debian-testing-amd64-netinst.iso |
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| 20:26.14 | dondelelcaro | mrBliss: the cdimage.debian.org mirror is pretty fast. |
| 20:26.18 | jhutchins_wk | CutMeOwnThroat: There are also supposedly projects to bring OSS up to ALSA/Pulsaudio capability, and to give ALSA the capabilities pulseaudio adds. |
| 20:26.38 | dondelelcaro | I mean, I routinely get around 8M/s from it, which is "good enough" |
| 20:26.40 | tremon | mrBliss: any specific reason why you want the testing installer? |
| 20:26.42 | jhutchins_wk | CutMeOwnThroat: Always nice to have multiple projects reinventing the wheel. Who knows, maybe one will come up with something new! |
| 20:27.06 | jhutchins_wk | mrBliss: Take a look at what else those mirror servers are up to. |
| 20:27.55 | mrBliss | tremon: I'm not entirely sure which version to pick, the software on the stable version is a tad to old, so I went for testing. |
| 20:28.07 | mrBliss | I'm getting now 45 kB/s |
| 20:28.20 | valdyn | mrBliss: that does not imply that you should use the testing installer |
| 20:28.36 | dondelelcaro | mrBliss: I just checked, and from at least one of the mirrors, I'm getting 6.43M/s. |
| 20:28.48 | jhutchins_wk | mrBliss: It may have old version numbers, but it's been patched and well tested. |
| 20:28.51 | mrBliss | valdyn: please tell me the advised way to install testing |
| 20:28.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | jhutchins_wk, lots of square and triangle-shaped wheels are invented that way... and wouldn't we be so much poorer without them :D |
| 20:29.00 | valdyn | mrBliss: install stable, upgrade |
| 20:29.02 | dondelelcaro | mrBliss: install stable, then upgrade to testing. |
| 20:29.10 | mrBliss | ok, thanks! |
| 20:29.14 | jhutchins_wk | mrBliss: Testing is a moving target expected to have major breakage between now and the freeze, as several new systems are being upgraded. |
| 20:29.16 | dondelelcaro | testing may not even install |
| 20:29.16 | tremon | mrBliss: you can install testing with the stable installer directly as well. I've never had a problem with it |
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| 20:29.57 | tremon | emphasizes *can* |
| 20:30.00 | jhutchins_wk | Stable-to-testing isn't an upgrade, it's an experiment. |
| 20:30.21 | mrBliss | Is testing 'stable' enough for a home server? I consider Arch Linux to 'unstable', but I need some recent software. |
| 20:30.28 | mrBliss | *too |
| 20:30.44 | valdyn | mrBliss: its a moving target |
| 20:30.48 | jhutchins_wk | mrBliss: I would say no, not if you object to downtime and tinkering. |
| 20:31.03 | mrBliss | how often does it get a new kernel? |
| 20:31.40 | valdyn | mrBliss: irregularily |
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| 20:32.29 | tremon | mrBliss: stable never gets a "new" kernel, once it's frozen the kernel version is fixed too. Backports provide newer kernels for stable, though |
| 20:33.02 | mrBliss | is it possible to cherry-pick packages from testing when using stable? (if the dependencies allow it) |
| 20:33.04 | tremon | ,versions linux-image-686 |
| 20:33.04 | judd | Package: linux-image-686 on i386 -- lenny: 2.6.26+17+lenny1; lenny-backports: 2.6.32+27~bpo50+1; squeeze: 2.6.32+29; wheezy: 3.1+41; squeeze-backports: 3.2+42~bpo60+1; sid: 3.2+43 |
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| 20:34.13 | tremon | it's debian, everything is possible :) |
| 20:35.18 | mrBliss | thanks guys, you've been very helpful |
| 20:35.37 | format_c | Even backporting rrdtool? It seems not to be available as backport for squeez |
| 20:36.17 | format_c | Judd tells me only backport avalable for lenny |
| 20:36.41 | mrBliss | is it frowned upon to install a package from unstable when using stable? On Arch Linux it is virtually suicide to mix testing and stable ;-) |
| 20:36.57 | dondelelcaro | mrBliss: it's a bad idea unless you know exactly what you're doing |
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| 20:37.00 | tremon | mrBliss: it's only suicide if you tell people about it |
| 20:37.14 | dondelelcaro | mrBliss: and usually if you know what you're doing, you know enough to backport it anyway |
| 20:37.22 | mrBliss | ok |
| 20:37.23 | somiaj | mrBliss: use backports. (: |
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| 20:39.02 | Ezep | Hello, this mall have pirated the debian logo ! please see this if you can: http://plazagranjardin.com/ |
| 20:39.29 | Ezep | It's just mirrored and with a blue hue |
| 20:39.32 | nsadmin | mrBliss, well there are library issues... if you install something compiled for sid libs to run on squeeze, it's then going to dynamically link with the squeeze libs... sometimes that even works... and, there are other problems |
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| 20:40.29 | mrBliss | nsadmin: alright. Backports are exactly what I was looking for. |
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| 20:41.20 | nsadmin | plus if there's not a backport you can try to make one |
| 20:41.24 | valdyn | Ezep: that logo is free to use for anyone, see http://www.debian.org/logos/ |
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| 20:43.03 | Ezep | valdyn: as I have read, the logo is free to use but only reffering to Debian |
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| 20:43.29 | Ezep | I would paste the text, but it's translated to spanish (my mother tongue) |
| 20:43.47 | albech | i have a strange situation here.. two different physical machines where both can ping 8.8.8.8, but only one of them can resolve from google dns using it in resolv.conf |
| 20:43.51 | Atlantic777 | hi! A friend of mine has a problem with webcam. There is an antry about it in lsusb, and there is a /dev/vide0, but image is gray when we try to capture with cheese or mplayer. |
| 20:43.59 | valdyn | Ezep: no, its free to use for anything |
| 20:43.59 | Ezep | valdyn: Este logotipo o una versión modificada del mismo puede ser usada por cualquiera para referirse al proyecto Debian |
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| 20:44.16 | jordanm | Ezep: there was a long discussion about that not long ago. it was found the debian log could be reproduced using some auto logo generations options inside of photoshop |
| 20:44.18 | valdyn | Ezep: thats the logo with the debian text beneath it |
| 20:44.32 | valdyn | Ezep: the swirl is completely unrestricted |
| 20:44.34 | nsadmin | Atlantic777 -probably- the best thing is have your friend come here |
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| 20:44.46 | Delf | Right, anyone around who could help me with samba? It's a bit complicated |
| 20:44.57 | Atlantic777 | nsadmin: ok if you think that helps. :D |
| 20:45.09 | Atlantic777 | nsadmin: but I don't know how fluent is his English. :D |
| 20:45.13 | Hydroxide | currently the version with the word debian has some restrictions for trademark reasons, but the other version is roughly MIT-licensed. not the same as unrestricted, but almost. and the non-DFSG-freeness of the version with the word is being worked on |
| 20:45.14 | Ezep | valdyn: oh, that makes sense... |
| 20:45.22 | Hydroxide | Ezep, valdyn: ^^ |
| 20:45.30 | nsadmin | what language does he want to speak? |
| 20:45.38 | Atlantic777 | nsadmin: Serbian |
| 20:45.55 | nsadmin | is there a #debian-sb? |
| 20:45.57 | valdyn | Hydroxide: yea, I read it |
| 20:45.59 | Hydroxide | k |
| 20:46.21 | Atlantic777 | nsadmin: nope... Serbiam community died. |
| 20:46.22 | Ezep | jordanm: interesting, well, if it's "free" it would great that every design app would reproduce it :) |
| 20:46.54 | Hydroxide | Atlantic777, nsadmin: given that bosnian, serbian, and croatian are either the same language or mutually intelligible and that debconf11 happened in bosnia last year, there's at least a community somewhere speaking that language. no idea if there's an IRC channel though |
| 20:47.18 | jordanm | Ezep: if I recall the discussion correctly, that is how it was originally produced |
| 20:47.29 | Atlantic777 | Hydroxide: yep, I could find somebody from debconf. :D tnx |
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| 20:48.00 | Atlantic777 | btw, where will be next debconf? |
| 20:48.10 | Hydroxide | good luck. I'll ask one of the dc11 organizers next time he's online |
| 20:48.14 | Delf | nsadmin: What you said after I left is correct. |
| 20:48.19 | Hydroxide | Atlantic777: this year it's in nicaragua. next year either latvia or switzerland |
| 20:48.40 | nsadmin | what I said?! |
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| 20:49.25 | nsadmin | Delf, which part? |
| 20:49.26 | Delf | nsadmin: Yes @ samba |
| 20:49.30 | Delf | the last part |
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| 20:51.39 | nsadmin | Delf, so somehow when you have that mound and sharing that mount, it shows as the wrong thing until refresh |
| 20:52.01 | Delf | nsadmin: Exactly |
| 20:52.13 | nsadmin | can you copy the files to server2? |
| 20:53.11 | nsadmin | I understand the symptoms... the problem itself may be in kernel code, so maybe not solvable immediately |
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| 20:53.33 | Ezep | Hydroxide: nice info, thanks |
| 20:53.34 | Delf | server1 shares files and server1 has mounted files shared by server2 and the weirdness happens when windows clients tries to access the server1's share which is partly server2's share |
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| 20:56.40 | Delf | nsadmin: But.. when I browse the mounted share of server2 on server1, everything appears as it should |
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| 20:58.00 | nsadmin | maybe this is something -really- out of our control, maybe it's the clients |
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| 21:00.22 | nand` | How does debian handle critical security updates? If a major vulnerability was found in some software it'd be pretty important to me to get the fix in as soon as possible. How does the debian testing stage handle this so it can reach the stable branch fast enough? |
| 21:00.26 | nsadmin | can the windows clients "mount" (not talking about map a drive) |
| 21:00.49 | valdyn | nand`: testing has nothing to do with stable security |
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| 21:02.03 | no_gravity | Hello! In Ubuntu, when I connect my htc desire phone, its detected as a harddrive. In debian I get "error mounting.". Any ideas what I can do? |
| 21:02.20 | nand` | valdyn: so where do security updates go? |
| 21:02.31 | valdyn | nand`: security.debian.org |
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| 21:02.50 | oops | any idea what "two finger scrolling" in touchpad settings does? |
| 21:02.57 | nsadmin | no_gravity, find out why and what the difference is |
| 21:03.09 | valdyn | oops: enables you to scroll by using 2 fingers |
| 21:03.10 | nand` | thanks for the link, I'll have a read |
| 21:03.20 | Dulak | oops: lets you use 2 finger swipe to scroll, if your trackpad supports multi-touch |
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| 21:04.05 | no_gravity | nsadmin: well, i described the difference. it mounts under ubuntu and gives me an error under debian. |
| 21:04.11 | oops | oh, mine doesn't support multi-touch |
| 21:04.25 | valdyn | oops: how do you know? |
| 21:04.41 | nsadmin | no_gravity perhaps I mean a more internal difference :) |
| 21:04.47 | oops | I see that for mouse setting: high acceleration, high sensitivity, I find the mouse movement smooth and fast enough to reach the gnome3 hot corner conveniently. |
| 21:04.49 | no_gravity | nsadmin: now i see, that when i mount via "mount /dev/sdb1 /some/where" it mounts just fine. |
| 21:05.08 | oops | but with high acceleration, low sensitivity, the mouse pointer goes haywire. this is about mouse setting, not touchpad. |
| 21:05.17 | oops | any idea why the mouse pointer is difficult to control with low sensitivity? |
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| 21:05.35 | oops | i thought low sensitivity means low speed, so the mouse should work with more precision. |
| 21:05.44 | nsadmin | when my phone connects, it first warns me... then gives me a choice whether to serve the microsd card as a drive |
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| 21:06.29 | no_gravity | nsadmin: yes, here too. and then i say offer the card as a drive. then debian pops up an error message. but mounting via mount works. |
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| 21:07.31 | nsadmin | hmm. |
| 21:07.49 | nsadmin | maybe debian tried to automount |
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| 21:08.32 | no_gravity | nsadmin: by the way, does "umount" do the same as "safely remove" in gnome? |
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| 21:09.17 | nsadmin | I bewlieve so, and maybe you should run sync a coupla times after umounting |
| 21:10.15 | no_gravity | sync? i would have thought umount will care that all data is written to disk. |
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| 21:11.12 | nsadmin | I think so too, but I'm often suspicious, better safe than sorry |
| 21:12.10 | no_gravity | nsadmin: if you apply the "better safe then sorry" rule stringently, you will hit sync till the end of time. |
| 21:12.54 | nsadmin | only if I apply it recursively |
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| 21:13.58 | nsadmin | usually I'll run it once after umounting and before disconnecting the device |
| 21:14.06 | valdyn | if sync did anything after unmounting then this would be a *HUGE* bug, you shouldnt use linux at all then ;) |
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| 21:15.59 | nsadmin | filing huge bugs is to much tiping... |
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| 21:16.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | valdyn, what if it's the only HUGE bug in linux and is only triggered very rarely? |
| 21:17.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | I dunno... on some sd-cards/usb-sticks I also did that |
| 21:17.05 | valdyn | CutMeOwnThroat: what if i try to protect against any imaginable very rare event? |
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| 21:17.38 | fabiobik | hi ppl |
| 21:17.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | valdyn, like huge cruise ships ramming an island in good weather? |
| 21:17.56 | valdyn | CutMeOwnThroat: yea, like that |
| 21:17.56 | fabiobik | im with problems using my usb huawei gsm modem |
| 21:18.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | because the cook or whatever wanted to wave to his family? |
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| 21:18.19 | fabiobik | heres my log http://pastebin.com/mUR6ydQ7 |
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| 21:18.48 | fabiobik | can someone help me? |
| 21:18.57 | fabiobik | thanks in advice |
| 21:19.13 | fabiobik | *advance |
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| 21:19.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | valdyn, then perhaps you could have prevented that thing with the Costa Concordia :) |
| 21:19.44 | Delf | nsadmin: I don't know the differences between map and mount |
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| 21:20.20 | nsadmin | map is putting a share on F:, mount is putting a share on /some/dir |
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| 21:21.27 | valdyn | and all that because MS thought they could improve on unix by inventing new terminology? |
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| 21:22.32 | aguitel | what distro are using gnome 2.x in the present ? |
| 21:22.41 | valdyn | aguitel: debian |
| 21:23.01 | phogg | Mint IIRC also ships their hacked up version. |
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| 21:23.56 | aguitel | valdyn, i know but in the future ? |
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| 21:24.05 | fabiobik | im with problems using my usb huawei gsm modem |
| 21:24.09 | fabiobik | heres my log http://pastebin.com/mUR6ydQ7 |
| 21:24.17 | fabiobik | the debian was able to detect |
| 21:24.18 | denom | hello, I am having a problem with libgdal I think, I'm getting this error in my django code libhdf5.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 21:24.29 | fabiobik | and im able to create a profile etc |
| 21:24.38 | fabiobik | but when i try to connect |
| 21:24.44 | denom | (running sid) I'm trying to reinstall libgdal to no effect |
| 21:24.48 | fabiobik | dont work |
| 21:25.54 | valdyn | denom: that file is in any of libhdf5-lam-1.8.4, libhdf5-mpich-1.8.4, libhdf5-openmpi-1.8.4, libhdf5-serial-1.8.4 |
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| 21:31.10 | denom | valdyn, I see that libhdf5.so.7 is currently installed, is there a way to see why ibhdf5.so.6 is sought ? |
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| 21:31.51 | abrotman | denom: it's linked directly to it? ldd <yourbindary> |
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| 21:32.12 | abrotman | denom: at any rate .. did you try to symlink to the newer version ? |
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| 21:32.25 | valdyn | denom: the reason is that your binary is linked against that file |
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| 21:32.31 | denom | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:32.59 | denom | right, and my binary is in a python virtualenv |
| 21:33.05 | denom | (i think) |
| 21:33.39 | valdyn | denom: debian has packages for both, I told you already which packages have your needed version |
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| 21:34.17 | denom | thanks! |
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| 21:34.24 | valdyn | denom: python does not a virtual env for elf binaries... |
| 21:34.34 | valdyn | denom: python does not have a virtual env for elf binaries... |
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| 21:34.58 | mekeor | i want to downgrade from unstable to testing. i modified my sources.list. but apt-get update && apt-get upgrade doesnt have an effect. how do i downgrade? |
| 21:35.06 | valdyn | !downgrade |
| 21:35.07 | dpkg | [downgrade] Downgrading is not possible with apt-get/aptitude and no future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. See also <partial downgrade>, <unstable->testing>, <sdo>. |
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| 21:36.36 | mekeor | !unstable->testing |
| 21:36.47 | denom | valdyn, but using pip i can compile a source distribution and presumably link to the wrong system lib |
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| 21:36.58 | mekeor | dpkg: unstable->testing |
| 21:36.58 | dpkg | Since packages generally migrate from unstable to testing fairly regularly, downgrading from unstable to testing is sometimes possible (see <partial downgrade>). Alternatively change "unstable" to "testing" in your sources.list and wait for packages migrate; installing new packages during this time might be problematic, however. Ask me about <reinstall>. |
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| 21:37.30 | mekeor | dpkg: partial downgrade |
| 21:37.31 | dpkg | This may or may not work for you, but if you've got nothing to lose then try it. (a) Change sources.list (b) aptitude update (c) aptitude and then search for the upgraded packages, hit enter on them, select the correct version (d) do the same for libc6 (e) search for broken packages by hitting "/" and searching for "~b" and then fix them in the same way (f) once you have no more broken packages, hit 'g' See <not available> |
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| 21:38.23 | mekeor | argh -.- |
| 21:38.38 | tremon | mekeor: why not wait 10 days? ;) |
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| 21:39.37 | simonlnu | step e there can be changed to pressing b |
| 21:39.41 | Pendrag0n1 | test |
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| 21:39.51 | Pendrag0n1 | odd, I can't send to the #screen channel, but I can send to this one. |
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| 21:40.09 | denom | Pendrag0n1, do you have voice? |
| 21:40.10 | lstarnes | Pendrag0n1: they mute unregistered users there, but not here |
| 21:40.18 | Pendrag0n1 | I am registered... |
| 21:40.27 | Pendrag0n1 | maybe not logged in right, how do I check? |
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| 21:41.26 | simonlnu | ok, edited partial downgrade |
| 21:41.42 | jkyle | I'm looking for a reference on how I might pass debconf options into an apt-get install call. Like passing in the mysql password for apt-get install mysql |
| 21:41.51 | tremon | Pendrag0n1: do a /whois Pendrag0n1 |
| 21:42.12 | simonlnu | Pendrag0n1: you aren't, you're showing your ip |
| 21:42.20 | Pendrag0n1 | Oh, I didn't know a 1 was at the end of my name tremon, it doesn't show that to me, thank you. (it shows up as Pendrag0n) |
| 21:42.26 | tremon | (and notice the lack of "is logged in as" line) |
| 21:42.42 | simonlnu | i didn't bother with a /whois ;) |
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| 21:42.47 | Pendrag0n1 | simonlnu, I did just msg NickServ IDENTIFY username pass succesfully, |
| 21:43.04 | Pendrag0n1 | huh |
| 21:43.06 | jkyle | is that possible? |
| 21:43.18 | simonlnu | Pendrag0n1: have a hostmask? |
| 21:43.23 | nsadmin | now try wizing err whoizing |
| 21:43.42 | Pendrag0n1 | there we go, thanks guys |
| 21:43.59 | Pendrag0n1 | idk simonlnu, but it works now, thank you gentlemen |
| 21:44.07 | simonlnu | it'll show reconnect. np |
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| 21:44.14 | nsadmin | the thing is mcdonalds is not in the food business |
| 21:44.32 | simonlnu | (if you do) |
| 21:44.46 | simonlnu | nsadmin: it's in the manufacturing business |
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| 21:45.15 | nsadmin | to a degree. but mostly they are in the real estate business |
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| 21:45.39 | tremon | wonders where he's ended up |
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| 21:46.12 | nsadmin | if your feet are above your head, you've ended upside down |
| 21:46.12 | simonlnu | i meant the 'food' they make ;) |
| 21:46.30 | simonlnu | but anyway, enough ot |
| 21:46.40 | g105b | Is there any way of automatically making my webpage refresh in LYNX browser? |
| 21:47.11 | simonlnu | press ctrl-r |
| 21:47.16 | nsadmin | automatically? |
| 21:47.23 | nsadmin | triggered by what? |
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| 21:47.37 | g105b | I have control of the website - it is a status page for our server |
| 21:47.57 | g105b | I want the page to refresh automatically by adding something to the webserver or the webpage |
| 21:48.03 | simonlnu | insert a meta element - search for 'meta refresh' |
| 21:48.16 | g105b | simonlnu: I have tried that, but it seems lynx ignores it |
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| 21:48.24 | g105b | ... or I'm doing something wrong |
| 21:48.32 | simonlnu | if you did it right it won't iirc |
| 21:48.46 | octeris | Where can I get to Network Proxy settings? Running xfce4 and I don't see the standard System>Prefs>Network Proxy menu. |
| 21:48.57 | simonlnu | w3m doesn't, but it does some thngs wrong imo |
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| 21:49.20 | simonlnu | octeris: that menu is a gnome-ism, hardly standard ;) |
| 21:49.48 | octeris | simonlnu: Any idea how I can find something similar in xfce4 or the command? |
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| 21:50.08 | simonlnu | sec |
| 21:50.13 | octeris | Need to sniff my own HTTP traffic for a program. |
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| 21:50.29 | tremon | http_proxy envvar? |
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| 21:51.04 | xett | Why not use tshark? |
| 21:51.25 | simonlnu | yeh, environment variables |
| 21:51.37 | octeris | xett: Need to use a specific sniffer. |
| 21:51.39 | simonlnu | octeris: you need to set environment variables |
| 21:52.14 | octeris | simonlnu: Thanks. |
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| 21:54.34 | g105b | simonlnu: in Lynx browser, the meta refresh simply displays a message `REFRESH(5 sec): http://example.com/url` |
| 21:54.52 | pmpforever | aptitude saying that it can't find the partman-paritioning package |
| 21:54.53 | g105b | but there is no refresh actually undertaken |
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| 21:55.36 | simonlnu | hmm ok. i didn't recall if it did obey it or not |
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| 21:55.53 | JurassicJon | does anyone know the default port on a fresh install of debian? |
| 21:55.57 | JurassicJon | i thought it was 22 |
| 21:56.27 | qknight-- | is there a way to run 'apt-get -f install' or 'dpkg-reconfigure -a' in a way that a 'service' won't be started? this is a real problem in my chroot installation using multistrap |
| 21:56.35 | nsadmin | there's a default port? |
| 21:56.40 | daemonkeeper | JurassicJon: Which one of the 65k ports do you mean? |
| 21:56.43 | BenNZ | JurassicJon: sorry default port for? |
| 21:56.50 | JurassicJon | SSH |
| 21:56.58 | JurassicJon | o, forgot to mention that |
| 21:57.00 | nsadmin | yes, ssh is on port 22 |
| 21:57.04 | daemonkeeper | SSH is 22. But there is no SSH in the base install. |
| 21:57.16 | nsadmin | it's not necessarily installed |
| 21:57.18 | tremon | JurassicJon: getent services ssh |
| 21:57.25 | JurassicJon | i installed SSH during the install |
| 21:57.33 | nsadmin | once you do install it, you'd be able to ssh in |
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| 21:57.48 | nsadmin | then try sshing to it |
| 21:57.56 | nsadmin | is there some problem you're experiencing? |
| 21:58.07 | JurassicJon | thx everyone |
| 21:58.08 | octeris | simonlnu: How can I set a system-wide ENV variable? So that my browser hooks through the set proxy, or should I launch a browser from the terminal where I have set the ENV variable. |
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| 21:58.29 | simonlnu | /etc/environment |
| 21:58.56 | nsadmin | octeris, technically there is no such thing. Environment vars are for processes |
| 21:58.59 | tremon | qknight--: depends on the service, but generally, no |
| 21:59.11 | warai | hello. Will Debian participate in Gsoc 2012? |
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| 21:59.55 | simonlnu | yeh |
| 22:00.08 | nsadmin | if you add to /etc/environment, programs that read that file could set the vars in their own env |
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| 22:00.26 | Ergo^ | hello. does anyone know if dotdeb repos are secure to get php from ? http://php53.dotdeb.org |
| 22:01.09 | nsadmin | but, one thing is definitely not the case: setting an env var anywhere will NOT propigate everywhere without some sort of special arrangement |
| 22:01.09 | ompaul | !dotdeb |
| 22:01.09 | dpkg | rumour has it, dotdeb is for the latest PHP and MySQL releases, packaged up and backported for your pleasure, go to http://dotdeb.org/ , but realize that we cannot support dotdeb packages here, so you will be ON YOUR OWN. The packages from backports.debian.org are vastly superior. Ask me about <backports> and <debian-backports>. "aptitude purge ~Vdotdeb" |
| 22:01.12 | kevlarman | are there any archives of testing packages? |
| 22:01.38 | nsadmin | I thought they archived everything now |
| 22:01.43 | ompaul | kevlarman: the ones market testing / wheezy |
| 22:01.49 | ompaul | oh dear typo |
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| 22:02.02 | Ergo^ | ompaul, ok makes sense, but i cant find a newer version of php5 in backports :( |
| 22:02.04 | assurbanipal | can someone help me setup my wifi connection?it only works for root, what can i do? |
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| 22:02.22 | nsadmin | why do you need a newer version? |
| 22:02.34 | Ergo^ | i need php5-fpm |
| 22:02.55 | Ergo^ | which is supposed to be default in 5.3.3 that squeeze provides... but its not there |
| 22:03.11 | streuner | judd, versions php5-fpm |
| 22:03.12 | judd | Package: php5-fpm on i386 -- wheezy: 5.3.9-1; sid: 5.3.10-1; experimental: 5.4.0~rc7-1 |
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| 22:04.04 | zleslie | Hi |
| 22:04.14 | kevlarman | i'm trying to replicate a known working system, and i can't find packages old enough to do it :\ |
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| 22:04.49 | Ergo^ | i understand that messing packages from wheezy with squeeze is a very bad idea? im not exactly sure how to move forward with this |
| 22:05.07 | ompaul | !tell Ergo^ about bpo |
| 22:05.15 | ompaul | Ergo^: please go read the message from the bot |
| 22:05.18 | mvdan | Does anyone have a good system of periodically cloning my system into an USB key? It's an encrypted LVM setup. |
| 22:05.44 | nsadmin | Ergo^, you could try backporting the one from wheezy |
| 22:06.04 | Ergo^ | nsadmin, that means backporting "everything php5" |
| 22:06.16 | ompaul | mvdan: into a key that's big enough ok --- dd |
| 22:06.19 | nsadmin | that shouldn't take long |
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| 22:06.38 | zleslie | How do I query a virtual package? Apt-cache show doesn't do what I want? |
| 22:06.46 | zleslie | Can I tell if a virtual package is installed? |
| 22:06.58 | mvdan | ompaul: But would /etc/fstab match that situation? (i.e. would the system recognize the USB as /dev/sda?) |
| 22:07.03 | nsadmin | show should give you a Status: header |
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| 22:07.26 | zleslie | apt-cache show libmagick9-dev |
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| 22:08.05 | nsadmin | is it that another package "provides" libmagick9-dev? |
| 22:08.06 | ompaul | mvdan: no, think about it - it's a copy from working system - it's only use is to be copied back into some system on some partition and work from there - and I'm assuming you want data only if not you are doing things which are slightly not a great idea |
| 22:08.11 | qknight-- | tremon: i've read that the postinst step executes the services. i would like to skip that. dpkg-reconfig -a is composed to two steps according to http://linuxreviews.org/man/dpkg/ |
| 22:08.38 | ompaul | mvdan: if it should live as /var for instance then it needs to be mounted into that place on fstab |
| 22:08.49 | ompaul | mvdan: you can't get there from here without learning a bit more |
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| 22:09.57 | mvdan | ompaul: My idea is to have a live version of my system. I'd update it about twice a month, and wherever I'd go, I'd have a frozen copy of my system ready to boot directly from the USB. |
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| 22:11.07 | assurbanipal | can someone help me setup my wifi connection?it only works for root, what can i do? |
| 22:11.10 | manganese | zleslie: libmagickwand-dev provides libmagick9-dev. AFAICS, that is the only package that provides libmagick9-dev, is if libmagickwand-dev is installed, you're good. |
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| 22:13.14 | ompaul | mvdan: that is not an easy task. It involves considerable hacking. Use of grub on the machine you are duping, use of syslinux on the usbkey (in some cases) different configs because of hardware - perhaps it would be better to have a debian live on a stick (or sticks) you keep that updated, and then have an encrypted /home/ on a second stick |
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| 22:13.59 | ompaul | mvdan: really for what you want there is too much undocumented hacking have at it, or do it the way I suggested |
| 22:14.26 | ompaul | mvdan: you have to remember that when you stick a stick into a usb port it might or might not be /dev/sdz |
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| 22:14.54 | mvdan | ompaul: Up until now, I used live usb sticks from Knoppix. They worked fine, but there's a lot of software in there I don't need and the one I do need is missing. |
| 22:14.56 | ompaul | mvdan: persistent usb stick might be the way forward |
| 22:15.23 | mvdan | ompaul: Cool, thanks for these tips. |
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| 22:15.40 | ompaul | mvdan: well in knoppix you should ask in their channel about adding in the other package (knoppix is useful but very much a one off hack per release afigather) |
| 22:16.04 | ompaul | mvdan: debian has a debian-live image |
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| 22:16.23 | zleslie | manganese: does libmagick9-dev install anything else? |
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| 22:16.39 | nsadmin | what's afigather? |
| 22:16.47 | ompaul | afai gather |
| 22:16.59 | ompaul | ns you on oftc? |
| 22:17.01 | LinuxGuy2009 | Hi guys I have a 500GB HDD in my desktop machine, and I have a matching drive that I was gonna put in and reinstall using software raid. However I would like to know of an accurate way of benchmarking the performance that I gain. Would I just copy some huge file to the drive(s), and copy it to a different folder and then watch to see what nautilus says the MB per/sec is? That the most accurate way? |
| 22:17.02 | nsadmin | oh ok |
| 22:17.06 | mvdan | ompaul: It'd be great if the stick booted with zsh, my configs, the WM I like, etc. |
| 22:17.16 | nsadmin | not rightr now no |
| 22:17.24 | ompaul | nsadmin: I want to finish our chat from the weekend |
| 22:17.40 | ompaul | nsadmin: -offtopic here if you like |
| 22:17.44 | nsadmin | oh :) cool :) and, I want food first :) |
| 22:17.56 | ompaul | nsadmin: I have to crash soon it's only a couple of mins |
| 22:18.14 | nsadmin | oh ok, howbout #debian-offtopic |
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| 22:18.19 | ompaul | ok |
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| 22:18.59 | amikrop | Hello, I have installed the LXDE version. Where is something like Synaptic? |
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| 22:19.16 | amikrop | I mean a graphical package installer |
| 22:19.51 | streuner | nonsense |
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| 22:20.00 | mvdan | amikrop: You can run it directly with run or from the terminal. |
| 22:20.11 | streuner | soon or later you just use apt-get/apitude |
| 22:20.13 | mvdan | amikrop: Or even better, just do aptitude :-) |
| 22:20.33 | amikrop | mvdan: run what? Synaptic? |
| 22:20.41 | mvdan | amikrop: Yes. |
| 22:21.23 | amikrop | mvdan: it is not installed. and I could not find it with sudo apt-cache search synaptic |
| 22:21.31 | amikrop | mvdan: so what could I do? :S |
| 22:21.40 | mvdan | amikrop: apt-get install synaptic |
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| 22:22.05 | amikrop | mvdan: it doesn't have an installation candidate |
| 22:22.14 | mvdan | amikrop: What mirrors are you using? |
| 22:22.22 | streuner | judd, versions synaptic |
| 22:22.23 | judd | Package: synaptic on i386 -- lenny: 0.62.1+nmu1; squeeze: 0.70~pre1+b1; sid: 0.75.4; wheezy: 0.75.4; experimental: 0.75.5~exp4 |
| 22:22.25 | mvdan | amikrop: Even if you're on stable it should be there |
| 22:22.26 | amikrop | mvdan: how can I check? :) |
| 22:22.36 | amikrop | mvdan: I 'm on stable |
| 22:22.38 | mvdan | amikrop: cat /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 22:22.47 | streuner | !paste |
| 22:22.48 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ http://paste.pocoo.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>, <lodgeit.py>. |
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| 22:23.55 | amikrop | mvdan: http://dpaste.com/699876/ |
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| 22:24.20 | mvdan | amikrop: There we go. |
| 22:24.26 | mvdan | amikrop: You're missing the main repo. |
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| 22:24.36 | amikrop | mvdan: hmm strange |
| 22:24.42 | amikrop | mvdan: how do I add it? |
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| 22:25.03 | streuner | line 16 is it |
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| 22:25.16 | mvdan | amikrop: You need - deb ftp://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ stable main |
| 22:25.17 | streuner | just uncomment it and run apt-get update |
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| 22:25.35 | mvdan | amikrop: As an example. |
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| 22:26.27 | streuner | mvdan: ftp would be awsome :-P |
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| 22:26.54 | mvdan | streuner: ftp works faster here than http. |
| 22:26.54 | amikrop | mvdan streuner thanks! |
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| 22:27.12 | mvdan | amikrop: apt-get update should download a good bunch of new software now. |
| 22:27.25 | mvdan | Night for me, folks. Later! |
| 22:27.28 | streuner | mvdan: maybe, but Debian gave up on ftp a long time in the past ;-) |
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| 22:27.41 | streuner | for repos |
| 22:27.52 | mvdan | streuner: ? |
| 22:28.06 | mvdan | streuner: Why would they do that? FTP works just fine with sid. |
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| 22:29.04 | streuner | mvdan: maybe this mirror, but usually Debian uses http |
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| 22:32.33 | amikrop | Hey I am the guy from before, I uncommented the main repos |
| 22:32.37 | amikrop | did a apt-get update |
| 22:32.49 | amikrop | but synaptic gedit vim etc still do not have installation candidates |
| 22:33.06 | amikrop | what could be wrong? |
| 22:33.40 | syn4pse- | amikrop what's your source list ? |
| 22:34.09 | somiaj | amikrop: care to put your sources.list at paste.debian.net |
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| 22:34.56 | amikrop | somiaj syn4pse- http://dpaste.com/699882/ |
| 22:35.38 | amikrop | somiaj syn4pse- the lines for main are different from those for security in the squeeze-updates and squeeze/updates part |
| 22:35.48 | somiaj | you haven't added any offical repo |
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| 22:36.04 | somiaj | you have only added squeeze-updates (that is only where updates goto before a new point release) |
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| 22:36.21 | somiaj | and security.debian.org only has security fixes, so you don't have access to the main 'squeeze' repo |
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| 22:36.40 | somiaj | short fix, replace 'squeeze-updates' with 'squeeze' -- suggestion comment out your deb cdrom line |
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| 22:37.35 | amikrop | somiaj: and not have a squeeze-updates line at all? |
| 22:37.42 | tremon | amikrop: to prevent confusion, only remove -updates from the ftp lines, not security |
| 22:37.55 | amikrop | tremon: ok |
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| 22:38.05 | syn4pse- | sec |
| 22:38.33 | tremon | (and please use a mirror or cdn.debian.net -- not the main server) |
| 22:38.40 | somiaj | amikrop: it is up to you, every few months there is a new point release and all the updates filter down to the main repo |
| 22:38.51 | somiaj | amikrop: I don't use it, but if you want the updates faster you can have both |
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| 22:39.28 | amikrop | alright guys, thanks! |
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| 22:39.38 | syn4pse- | amikrop: check your query |
| 22:39.45 | syn4pse- | i send you a copy of squeeze sources.list |
| 22:39.53 | amikrop | it worked |
| 22:39.55 | tremon | somiaj: I didn't even know sec.d.o had a squeeze repo, or am I misunderstanding you? |
| 22:40.02 | syn4pse- | ah okey |
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| 22:40.16 | Waxhead | I am running wheezy and for some reason I can't find my usb sticks anymore. They used to be under /dev/sd* but even if I see the usb device registering in dmesg I cant find it under /dev. Is there any change I am not aware of? |
| 22:40.18 | amikrop | any recommendations for a lighter graphical package installer? |
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| 22:40.26 | amikrop | that doesn't need gtk |
| 22:40.39 | somiaj | tremon: the security.debian.org line is just fine, its the other line, also use ftp.<country code>.debian.org as tremon suggested |
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| 22:40.59 | tremon | ok thx, Was getting confused myself :) |
| 22:41.15 | somiaj | well I said change squeeze-updates not squeeze/updates -- they are different (: |
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| 22:41.34 | tremon | lol |
| 22:41.47 | Arafangion | amikrop: aptitude, possibly. |
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| 22:42.11 | Arafangion | sighs. |
| 22:42.12 | manganese | zleslie: "apt-cache depends libmagickwand-dev" for dependencies. It only provides libmagick9-dev, I think |
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| 22:42.39 | simonlnu | doh, ask-and-run strikes again |
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| 22:43.10 | somiaj | hopefully he realized he should be asking in #ubuntu |
| 22:43.46 | simonlnu | hates it when people do that "i think they expect an instant answer and when they don't get it they leave. what do you think this is, a bunch of robots?" |
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| 22:44.23 | tremon | nods at dpkg |
| 22:44.31 | Arafangion | simonlnu: Indeed. And I responded in less than a *minute*. |
| 22:44.55 | simonlnu | yup |
| 22:45.07 | simonlnu | *shrug* |
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| 22:47.23 | simonlnu | people do learn eventually, or they get told |
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| 22:48.40 | somiaj | usually the latter |
| 22:49.00 | Arafangion | The latter doesn't imply the former, although it should. |
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| 22:50.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | or he realized it was a stupid question and left red-faced before someone could react |
| 22:51.11 | Arafangion | CutMeOwnThroat: I don't think that highly of most people. ;) |
| 22:51.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
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| 22:55.07 | simonlnu | i've seen that happen on occasion |
| 22:55.18 | clone_of_saturn | simonlnu: they don't realize someone could acutally have enough attention span to answer a question that was asked a whole minute ago |
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| 22:55.20 | simonlnu | the red-faced part |
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| 22:55.52 | streuner | nonsense |
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| 22:56.34 | streuner | Would you really make a convo about this in a support channel? |
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| 22:58.09 | simonlnu | i think we just did |
| 22:58.22 | manganese | Damn, simonlnu beat me to the punch |
| 22:59.11 | simonlnu | heh =) |
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| 23:00.58 | MrMind | hi, I run nginx + php-fpm with wordpress and I can't upload file without 777 on the upload folder, is that dangearous or can I fix it in some way? |
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| 23:01.24 | simonlnu | MrMind: make the dir group writable |
| 23:01.36 | abrotman | MrMind: you're doing it wrong |
| 23:02.08 | MrMind | hmm, I don't understand really... |
| 23:02.48 | abrotman | !permissions |
| 23:02.48 | dpkg | For information on permissions, read info coreutils 'File Permissions', http://mywiki.wooledge.org/Permissions and http://www.comptechdoc.org/os/linux/usersguide/linux_ugfilesp.html . For further information, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_permission and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chmod and follow the setuid and setgid links within. See also <ssh permissions>, <qotd232>. http://wiki.debian.org/Permissions |
| 23:03.09 | manganese | MrMind: Figure out what user nginx/wp is running as (presumably www-data). Change the ownership of the direcory to root:www-data (or whatever the group is) and set the mode to 0770 (or similar) |
| 23:03.28 | MrMind | manganese: okey, thx! |
| 23:03.28 | manganese | s/user/group/ |
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| 23:04.25 | MrMind | manganese: how can I figure out the user btw, hehe+ |
| 23:04.25 | MrMind | ? |
| 23:04.40 | abrotman | why does it have to be +x ? |
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| 23:05.26 | syn4pse- | executable |
| 23:06.23 | streuner | executable means its ready for upload? |
| 23:06.35 | streuner | i doubt that |
| 23:07.03 | abrotman | i know what +x means .. thanks .. |
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| 23:07.16 | streuner | i know |
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| 23:09.36 | manganese | MrMind: Good question. The ps manpage will probably be able to help |
| 23:09.58 | manganese | abrotman: On a directory? Not strictly necessary unless you want to be able to see inside it, I guess ... |
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| 23:11.39 | jirka_on_d | hello all, i've got issue with lx-panel (on debian testing) after some recent update (i think before yesterday), the problem is, it stopped to show application launchers and some applets (time, volume control, ...). Has anybody any clue please? Thanks in advance |
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| 23:12.36 | streuner | jirka_on_d: i have no clue about lx-panel, but did you look at BTS yet? |
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| 23:12.54 | jirka_on_d | streuner>BTS? |
| 23:13.04 | streuner | jirka_on_d: /msg dpkg bts |
| 23:13.09 | jirka_on_d | ok, thanks |
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| 23:16.16 | streuner | jirka_on_d: maybe apt-listbugs and apt-listchanges are helpful if you havent those already installed... |
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| 23:17.16 | streuner | jirka_on_d: it makes only sense if somebody reported a bug before you installing packages, but it give you sometimes some important hints |
| 23:17.33 | Guest9998 | ok |
| 23:18.09 | Guest9998 | how |
| 23:18.31 | Guest9998 | how |
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| 23:18.34 | manganese | is totally in suspense |
| 23:19.14 | zane | if my computer doesn't support booting from USB can i use GRUB2 which is already isntalled to boot into a live cd that is on a usb stick ? |
| 23:19.50 | jirka_on_d | streuner>thank you, i'll try it |
| 23:20.12 | tremon | zane: probably not, as the bios will not have created an access id for it. Grub relies on the bios to provide disk access |
| 23:20.15 | syn4pse- | zane: if your pc does not support booting frin you cannot boot from usb |
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| 23:21.50 | manganese | It's an interesting question, though. I wonder if it's possible to create an initrd that will chain boot from USB (not saying that you can ... just wondering out loud) |
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| 23:23.01 | jirka_on_d | heh, i tried to change panel position and icons and everything is back ^_^ |
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| 23:24.09 | manganese | Probably not, now I think about it. |
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| 23:26.44 | zane | sry i had a problem with window switching, what did you guys say in response to my 'trying to use grub to boot into a live-cd on a usb stick' ? |
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| 23:26.58 | manganese | zane: "No" |
| 23:27.03 | syn4pse- | <syn4pse-> zane: if your pc does not support booting frin you cannot boot from usb |
| 23:27.28 | zleslie | manganese: danke |
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| 23:27.34 | zane | ok.....then i can extract the iso to a partition and boot to it |
| 23:27.47 | zane | using grub |
| 23:27.53 | abrotman | zane: wait, why? |
| 23:28.16 | abrotman | why not just boot the liveCD? and yes, grub2 can boot an ISO .. not sure if it matters that it might be a USB drive .. probably ask #grub |
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| 23:32.50 | Ergo^ | how can i pass build params when im building a package via apt-get -b source pkg ? |
| 23:34.00 | abrotman | !tell Ergo^ about debian/rules |
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| 23:34.27 | Ergo^ | thanks |
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| 23:45.44 | JagsteR` | hi, noob question. i pulled a hdd from one dell 1950 server to an identical dell 1950 server and debian attempted to do a new install |
| 23:46.05 | JagsteR` | is this a repair install that i can continue with or should i stop and make sure bios is configured right? |
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| 23:47.13 | philipp | how do i get wine verson 1.3.12 - 1.3.22 on squeeze? |
| 23:49.49 | abrotman | philipp: please don't ask two networks |
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| 23:51.52 | joar | fglrx-driver 1:12-1-1 was supposed to eliminate the xv crashes, right? |
| 23:52.31 | hypnocat | let's say i have a qemu hard drive image... how would i go about turning that in to a bootable iso? |
| 23:52.34 | hypnocat | does anyone have any suggestions of documentation i could read or programs i could use? |
| 23:52.46 | philipp | abrotman, i stop as soon as anyone can anwer me once... |
| 23:53.14 | simonlnu | ... |
| 23:53.22 | abrotman | Sunday? |
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| 23:54.25 | simonlnu | sometimes i wonder |
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