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| 00:06.48 | joar | philipp: We do not get paid to answer you, you need to provide the motivation, usually I just go on hoping that those I help will pay it forward, but since you are so childish and naive I do not see a point in helping you. |
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| 00:08.03 | joar | The only thing being childish and naive may help you to is a +b mode. So be kind to those who are supposed to save you, otherwise they will let go of your hand. |
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| 00:09.41 | harris | hi |
| 00:09.51 | dill | my computer freezes when connecting to wifi |
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| 00:10.14 | simonlnu | so don't? :P |
| 00:10.27 | dill | any idea |
| 00:10.27 | simonlnu | j/k :) |
| 00:10.40 | simonlnu | Need More Info |
| 00:10.51 | abrotman | dill: whta is 'uname -r' for starters |
| 00:10.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | <insert pun about temperatures outside here> |
| 00:11.46 | dill | hold on |
| 00:12.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | JagsteR`, it should just come up... there are not usually any install images on installed harddisks |
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| 00:14.12 | JagsteR` | CutMeOwnThroat: derp moment |
| 00:14.17 | JagsteR` | there was a debian cd in the cdrom |
| 00:14.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | cd still in |
| 00:14.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | heh |
| 00:14.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | I realized the moment you said |
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| 00:14.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | said line 1 |
| 00:14.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
| 00:15.18 | JagsteR` | lol thanks |
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| 00:15.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | no, I mean... oh well, whatever |
| 00:15.48 | dill | 2.6.39-2 |
| 00:15.59 | abrotman | dill: which version of linux is this ? |
| 00:16.04 | dill | lmde |
| 00:16.17 | abrotman | dill: you sohuld ask the Mint channel for help, we don't support Mint here, only Debian |
| 00:16.19 | simonlnu | herp a derp |
| 00:16.33 | poop4u | hello |
| 00:16.37 | poop4u | poop 4 me |
| 00:16.39 | poop4u | poop 4 u |
| 00:16.41 | poop4u | poop 4 all |
| 00:16.47 | dill | its debian edition |
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| 00:17.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | my clock must be wrong and it's Sunday |
| 00:17.18 | simonlnu | it must be sunday 4 days early |
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| 00:22.17 | zane | hi, what would be the best way to remove the gnome DE ? |
| 00:23.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | boo |
| 00:23.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | I shouldn't have removed seconds from my irc timestamps |
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| 00:24.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, remove gnome |
| 00:24.18 | dpkg | To remove or purge GNOME 2.x: aptitude remove ~nlibgnome ~nlibbonobo2 ~nliborbit2 ~nlibgnomeui ~nlibgnomevfs2. Use 'purge' instead of 'remove' if that's what you want (ask me about <purge>). |
| 00:24.21 | abrotman | he's gone ... |
| 00:24.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | I don't see how that's my problem |
| 00:24.41 | abrotman | why would you ask the bot *after* he leaves? |
| 00:24.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | stubbornness |
| 00:25.00 | manganese | zane: "apt-get purge gnome-desktop-environment" will work, but you may find things that you wanted to keep went with it, so be prepared to reinstall them |
| 00:25.02 | manganese | Dammit |
| 00:25.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | I think we have established that (s)he's gone |
| 00:25.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | but good job anyway |
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| 00:25.44 | manganese | CutMeOwnThroat: Yes. I wasn't reading the conversation as I typed. |
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| 00:27.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | abrotman, teaches 'em a lesson not to leave so quickly again %-/ |
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| 00:27.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | (if ever they come across the chatlogs in a websearch) |
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| 00:27.38 | pmpforever | So I just installed debian6 32bit on a vm using only the cd1 image |
| 00:27.44 | manganese | Yeah, he'll read the chat archive and feel a right tit (a left one too, if he's lucky) for asking and running. |
| 00:27.50 | pmpforever | apt seems to be broken as it will only install files off the disk |
| 00:28.01 | pmpforever | and I already checked sources.list |
| 00:28.17 | pmpforever | any ideas what to do next? |
| 00:28.41 | manganese | pmpforever: have you "apt-get update"ed? Does your VM have a network connection? Have you removed the cdrom lines from sources.list? |
| 00:28.49 | pmpforever | yup |
| 00:28.55 | pmpforever | done all of those |
| 00:29.04 | pmpforever | this is actually the second time I tried to install |
| 00:29.22 | manganese | pmpforever: Have you "apt-get update"ed again? More recently than all of those other things? |
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| 00:29.35 | pmpforever | ya |
| 00:29.39 | pmpforever | but Ill try it again |
| 00:29.45 | manganese | Also, can you pastebin your sources.list? then we all get to see what you can see. |
| 00:29.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | and/or the output of apt-cache policy |
| 00:30.14 | pmpforever | Oh hold on |
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| 00:30.20 | pmpforever | update is doing something now |
| 00:30.24 | lapsusbrutus | apt-get update fixes things :) |
| 00:30.30 | pmpforever | Ya I tried it before |
| 00:30.33 | pmpforever | didn't work |
| 00:30.55 | pmpforever | but I just changed my sources.list again using a generator online |
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| 00:31.12 | abrotman | that can't be good ... |
| 00:31.18 | lapsusbrutus | hehe |
| 00:31.25 | aguitel | is anyone installed mate-desktop in debian ? |
| 00:31.48 | manganese | pmpforever: You are best served learning to write your own deb / deb-src lines. It aids understanding |
| 00:32.03 | nkuttler | aguitel: what is your real question? |
| 00:32.17 | pmpforever | ya I think Ill give that a shot |
| 00:32.19 | aguitel | nkuttler, if it is working |
| 00:32.19 | pmpforever | thanks |
| 00:33.03 | nkuttler | aguitel: not even sure which package you're talking about.. |
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| 00:33.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | perhaps changed sources.list but didn't save it or somesuch |
| 00:33.25 | abrotman | aguitel: it's not packaged in Debian |
| 00:33.36 | aguitel | nkuttler, http://wiki.mate-desktop.org/download abrotman |
| 00:33.40 | manganese | aguitel: Well, in squeeze there is no need -- Gnome2.X is still the default gnome. In wheezy, it'll probably break today and be fixed again next week (assuming it's packaged at all) |
| 00:33.44 | abrotman | aguitel: not IN Debian |
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| 00:34.05 | netcrash | hello, Is there any tool I can use to query a event log from a 1950 dell server ? |
| 00:34.13 | abrotman | is more interested in Cinnamon |
| 00:34.17 | aguitel | manganese, break ? |
| 00:34.27 | abrotman | netcrash: what type of event log ? |
| 00:34.29 | nkuttler | is a satisfied openbox customer |
| 00:34.42 | aguitel | abrotman, but cinnamon is working over gnome 3 |
| 00:34.43 | netcrash | hardware event log |
| 00:34.44 | abrotman | likes gnome3 |
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| 00:34.59 | manganese | aguitel: I'm assuming you are talking about a package in testing. You might not be (I have stable here., I like stable). |
| 00:35.01 | abrotman | aguitel: okay .. and what? |
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| 00:35.33 | aguitel | i dont like gnome 3 |
| 00:35.35 | nkuttler | honestly.. i'd probaly be using gnome by now if dockapp support didn't suck |
| 00:35.53 | netcrash | abrotman, hardware event the message it appears is sel full |
| 00:36.00 | abrotman | netcrash: in the BIOS? |
| 00:36.05 | netcrash | abrotman, yes |
| 00:36.23 | abrotman | netcrash: i'd be skeptical .. |
| 00:36.30 | abrotman | netcrash: linux.dell.com ? |
| 00:36.39 | netcrash | abrotman, :( going there to check |
| 00:36.46 | netcrash | thks |
| 00:36.58 | dill_ | no one is in the linux mint chanel can you guys just try to help me to the best of your abiliy |
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| 00:37.17 | abrotman | dill_: you used the official channel on irc.spotchat.org or whatever it is ? |
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| 00:41.06 | dill_ | i did not receive a response |
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| 00:43.37 | abrotman | dill_: in which channel? on which network? did you try ##linux |
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| 00:44.59 | dill_ | ive tried the one you metioned and the one on freenode this channel has helped me before so the commands cant be to different |
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| 00:46.25 | somethinginteres | Hi all, trying to do a netinst of Debian testing on a VM. No matter what mirror files fail to download after awhile. Internet works fine on other sites/downloads |
| 00:46.37 | abrotman | somethinginteres: some sort of proxy? |
| 00:46.57 | abrotman | dill_: so try ##linux |
| 00:47.16 | somethinginteres | abrotman: no proxy |
| 00:48.11 | abrotman | somethinginteres: did you try a stable netinst? could be something wrong with the testing installer? |
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| 00:48.40 | somethinginteres | abortman have yet to try stable netinst |
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| 00:53.19 | zane | i'm in aptitude, there are packages selected for removal but when i hit g it starts downloading pkgs??? i'm trying to completely remove gnome DE |
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| 00:55.40 | abrotman | zane: it may be updating packages as well .. let it finish |
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| 00:56.21 | zane | abrotman: no, it's downloading pkgs that i have un-installed that relate to gnome. i don't desire that.. |
| 00:56.32 | zane | abrotman: i'm trying to purge gnome from my install |
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| 00:56.58 | somethinginteres | abrotman: giving the stable netinst a go |
| 00:57.28 | zane | abrotman: gnome has been removed and i boot into a shell. but yet aptitude wants to install the epiphany web-browser when i try to remove open office ? |
| 00:57.35 | somiaj | zane: did you just remove the 'gnome' package -- because that really isn't gnome, but mearly a meta package. |
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| 00:58.12 | zane | somiaj: i did several commands, gnome DE is gone. i just want to clean up |
| 00:58.42 | abrotman | zane: let aptitude finish .. we'll help you get rid of it after that is done |
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| 00:59.36 | zane | abrotman: ok |
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| 01:00.14 | zane | i just don't understand why it's downloading pkgs i have removed |
| 01:02.10 | engla | debfoster can help you remove unwanted packages. |
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| 01:03.01 | zane | ok it's doing it's thing now.....removing everything |
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| 01:03.42 | zane | ...all programs that we associated with gnome, EVERYTHING :D |
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| 01:05.18 | zucco | Hi, I have a server with 6 Gb of memory, but the kernel see only 3Gb. I`m using debian lenny, kernel 2.6.26-2-xen-amd64. The memory is wrong, as you can see: # grep -i memory /var/log/dmesg: [ 0.004000] Memory: 5825820k/6046448k available (2279k kernel code, 211832k reserved, 1022k data, 216k init) - # cat /proc/meminfo: MemTotal: 3280896 kB |
| 01:05.32 | zucco | any tip for this case ? |
| 01:05.47 | abrotman | zucco: use the -bigmem kernel |
| 01:06.11 | zane | :-( i hate to see gEdit go..... |
| 01:06.17 | zucco | abrotman: I can`t, because I`m using xen hypervisor in this server |
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| 01:06.28 | zucco | abrotman: and bigmem is only for 32 bits, right ? |
| 01:06.39 | zucco | the kernel in this case is amd64 |
| 01:06.48 | abrotman | the amd64 should already see 6GB |
| 01:07.07 | zucco | abrotman: yeah, but is is not happening... |
| 01:07.18 | abrotman | zucco: does the BIOS count all the way to 6GB? |
| 01:07.43 | zucco | abrotman: according by dmidecode, yes |
| 01:07.50 | abrotman | zucco: i mean in the POST |
| 01:08.07 | zucco | abrotman: I don`t know, it is a remote host |
| 01:08.19 | zucco | # grep -i memory /var/log/dmesg : [ 0.004000] Memory: 5825820k/6046448k available |
| 01:08.37 | zucco | # cat /proc/meminfo : MemTotal: 3280896 kB |
| 01:08.47 | zucco | abrotman: ^^ |
| 01:08.48 | abrotman | weird ... |
| 01:08.53 | zucco | yeah... |
| 01:09.17 | zucco | may be as xen kernel bug :-( |
| 01:09.56 | somiaj | is this the kernel for the actual server or one of the xen virtual servers? |
| 01:09.58 | zucco | and was extreme difficult install a xen hypervisor in a remote host |
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| 01:10.03 | abrotman | look at the config |
| 01:10.28 | zucco | somiaj: it is in the hypervisor |
| 01:10.31 | zucco | abrotman: where ? |
| 01:11.21 | zane | how do i 'ignore' joins and quits using weechat ? |
| 01:11.57 | zane | i did '/ignore add QUITS #debian' |
| 01:14.45 | somiaj | zucco: /help ignore |
| 01:15.20 | zucco | somiaj: zane, not zucco :-) |
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| 01:15.56 | somiaj | damn tab completion and me being so lazy I won't type two characters |
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| 01:17.57 | zucco | somiaj: no problem :-) |
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| 01:18.55 | haole | is there a way to execute remote commands (maybe with ssh) without user interaction? i'm running a cluster that is not connected to the internet, so security is not a concern here |
| 01:19.10 | LinuxApprentice | ok aptitude has done it's thing |
| 01:19.12 | haole | the clients need to execute a command in the server |
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| 01:19.24 | zucco | abrotman: I suspect it is the process of xen, is running in 32 bits, not 64: http://serverfault.com/questions/25366/linux-only-detects-2gb-of-ram-with-4-installed-i386-debian-lenny |
| 01:19.29 | LinuxApprentice | my system went from having 170k+ files to about 90k files |
| 01:19.59 | LinuxApprentice | do i need to defrag now? 0.o |
| 01:20.04 | simonlnu | no |
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| 01:20.40 | LinuxApprentice | lol |
| 01:21.22 | simonlnu | only ext4 has a defrag, and it's only used for specific things |
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| 01:21.45 | simonlnu | e.g. converting ext3 to ext4 |
| 01:22.03 | simonlnu | you'd run it after you'd fsck'ed it a special way |
| 01:22.42 | Primis | defrag has legitimate purposed |
| 01:22.59 | LinuxApprentice | how can i tell what filesystem /dev/sda1 is using / |
| 01:23.13 | Primis | for example, moving files closer together to reduce read time |
| 01:23.17 | simonlnu | try mount |
| 01:23.34 | Primis | or, better: making room for more files |
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| 01:24.05 | simonlnu | that said, i've never defragged a fs in linux |
| 01:24.08 | LinuxApprentice | i'm using ext3 |
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| 01:24.11 | engla | Primis: that's both defrag and layout optimization, in a way two separate things |
| 01:24.17 | LinuxApprentice | should i be using ext3 on a 40gb hdd ? |
| 01:24.23 | simonlnu | that's fine |
| 01:24.31 | LinuxApprentice | on a pentium 3,256mb ram? |
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| 01:24.41 | simonlnu | still ok |
| 01:24.47 | LinuxApprentice | could i convert it to a different FS and get better performance ? |
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| 01:24.52 | simonlnu | it's not say, xfs ;p |
| 01:25.08 | LinuxApprentice | what about reiserFS ? |
| 01:25.21 | simonlnu | you'd get i/o perf with a faster ide bus |
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| 01:25.33 | LinuxApprentice | there was one that was non-EXT that was super stable? |
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| 01:25.48 | LinuxApprentice | like sata ? |
| 01:25.51 | simonlnu | NOT reiser |
| 01:26.08 | hikenboot | what is the criteria for debian renumbering ethernet interfaces...if i have like 7 nic cards in a machine will it renumber the interfaces on boot (arrange the order on the physical bus)? |
| 01:26.31 | hikenboot | seems like that might be happening to me |
| 01:26.45 | abrotman | hikenboot: no, it shouldn't |
| 01:26.49 | abrotman | !tell hikenboot about z70 |
| 01:26.49 | simonlnu | the ext* ones are the most stable, xfs is stable, but tends to hog cpu, and jfs is ok too, but has issues with journalling when unmounted properly |
| 01:27.07 | simonlnu | erm, IMproperly, sorry |
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| 01:27.35 | LinuxApprentice | out of ext2 is better than 3? |
| 01:28.10 | simonlnu | ext2 is the oldest one, and most stable. doesn't have journalling. |
| 01:28.27 | Primis | still likes UFS... |
| 01:28.42 | simonlnu | not really usable in linux ;) |
| 01:29.14 | Primis | You'd be surprised what you can make work |
| 01:29.44 | Primis | I've managed to get a bootable NTFS Linux, just to prove a point |
| 01:29.50 | simonlnu | it's still r/o safe tmk |
| 01:29.52 | hikenboot | abrotman: many many thanks |
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| 01:30.09 | LinuxApprentice | Primis: why would you want a linux system running on NTFS ? |
| 01:30.24 | Primis | LinuxApprentice: to prove I could |
| 01:30.29 | engla | Primis: what about bootable fat32? |
| 01:30.33 | engla | (is it possible?) |
| 01:30.37 | Primis | never tried |
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| 01:30.46 | Primis | very possible I would assume |
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| 01:30.59 | LinuxApprentice | aptitude is siiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiick |
| 01:31.02 | lapsusbrutus | probably easier than ntfs? |
| 01:31.27 | LinuxApprentice | i'm going to strip this sys down to barebones!!!! |
| 01:31.32 | engla | probably. I have a live debian usb stick with fat32 for /boot and compressed btrfs for / |
| 01:31.49 | engla | but that's just fat32 for /boot |
| 01:32.07 | simonlnu | fat32 wouldn't i don't think. lacks permissions |
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| 01:33.24 | LinuxApprentice | what's the command to see the current time? |
| 01:33.47 | Primis | date |
| 01:34.06 | LinuxApprentice | Primis: it's in 24-hour format |
| 01:34.11 | somiaj | man date |
| 01:34.18 | somiaj | you can have it output any format you tell it to |
| 01:34.19 | Primis | tehee |
| 01:34.25 | LtL | LinuxApprentice: date +%T |
| 01:34.26 | Primis | you said "man date" xD |
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| 01:35.27 | LinuxApprentice | hahahah |
| 01:35.39 | LtL | LinuxApprentice: 12h format = date +%r |
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| 01:36.24 | Primis | 'date +%r' |
| 01:36.38 | engla | shouldn't date +%c be your locale's native format |
| 01:36.55 | Primis | c is century IIRC |
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| 01:37.11 | Primis | nope |
| 01:37.15 | Primis | local 24 hr |
| 01:37.26 | engla | how inconvenient |
| 01:37.37 | LinuxApprentice | how do i make it output 12 hr format? |
| 01:37.52 | Primis | 'date +%r' |
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| 01:38.06 | somiaj | LinuxApprentice: 'man date' it will tell you that and much much more |
| 01:38.58 | LinuxApprentice | somiaj: how can i remove the 2.6 kernel ? |
| 01:39.06 | LinuxApprentice | in aptitude? |
| 01:39.54 | somiaj | why do you want to do that? |
| 01:40.10 | LinuxApprentice | because i use the 3.0.2 one |
| 01:40.20 | LinuxApprentice | tired of downloading updates for the old kernel |
| 01:40.23 | somiaj | that seems like an odd kernel, where did you get it? |
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| 01:40.38 | somiaj | remove the linux-image-foo package for the images you don't want |
| 01:40.44 | somiaj | LinuxApprentice: do you mean you have the 3.2 kernel from backports? |
| 01:40.55 | LinuxApprentice | somiaj: yes, i mean that |
| 01:41.20 | somiaj | yea just remove the linux-image-foo you don't want |
| 01:41.24 | somiaj | but better keep the one you are using |
| 01:41.30 | Primis | interesting fact: in OS X, it would take 155 instances of "yes" to max out a intel core 2 duo at 1.83 GHz |
| 01:42.00 | engla | what's the score for debian on the same machine? :-) |
| 01:42.09 | Primis | haven't tested it yet |
| 01:42.14 | somiaj | what is yes? |
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| 01:43.01 | Primis | I have a bias to os x at the moment because I just bought the Chicago compilation on iTunes |
| 01:43.07 | engla | it's a robocaller for the command line |
| 01:43.22 | LinuxApprentice | Primis: what do you mean an 'instance' of yes ? |
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| 01:43.44 | engla | yes is a program that outputs y repeatedly, to answer interactive programs with yes |
| 01:43.54 | Primis | LinuxApprentice: opening a terminal window, typing "yes" then enter |
| 01:44.07 | somiaj | LinuxApprentice: such as running two webbrowers at teh same time. |
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| 01:44.09 | Primis | the terminal window itself is just a bash instance |
| 01:44.43 | victhor | did anyone ever break a laptop screen with fglrx? |
| 01:44.50 | zucco | abrotman: find it the issue: dom0_mem http://wiki.xensource.com/xenwiki/XenBestPractices |
| 01:44.54 | zucco | :-) |
| 01:45.09 | Primis | victhor: I've caused a GPU to release black smoke |
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| 01:45.20 | Primis | after fixing a broken cap, still works |
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| 01:45.29 | LinuxApprentice | Primis: so doing 155 instances simultaneously would max out a core 2 duo ? |
| 01:45.37 | Primis | mhm |
| 01:45.47 | Primis | the ram doesn't even come close |
| 01:45.54 | Primis | but it hits 100% cpu time |
| 01:46.02 | Primis | very rare on os x |
| 01:46.04 | victhor | I installed 1.12 earlier today, after installation my screen started flickering, I tried to switch to a console but it didn't work. I pushed the power button, after a while the computer turned off normally. When I turned it back on, it would still work but the screen was dead. Not even on the POST screen |
| 01:46.10 | Primis | it usually hovers about 24% |
| 01:46.24 | victhor | on all OSes and drivers, the screen is not detected. I can still use a external monitor |
| 01:46.55 | Primis | congrats, you can now check the "Broken Hardware with software?" box on the hacker test |
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| 01:47.29 | victhor | that doesn't make sense... how can fglrx break my monitor? |
| 01:47.29 | Primis | http://www.armory.com/tests/hacker.html |
| 01:48.16 | somiaj | victhor: what is 1.12? |
| 01:48.17 | kkit | victhor, unlucky timing of hardware failure, perhaps? try a different cord and a different source? |
| 01:48.46 | victhor | it was not a hardware failure, the LCD cable is connected, it looks ok. |
| 01:48.59 | somiaj | victhor: oh fglrx, what version of debian are you running and how did you install it? |
| 01:49.16 | victhor | wheezy. I installed it with the fglrx packages on the repository. |
| 01:49.52 | somiaj | victhor: have you checked the bug reports? What kernel are you running? |
| 01:50.10 | victhor | iirc I am running 3.1.0-1 |
| 01:50.15 | somiaj | victhor: also check /var/log/Xorg.0.log and other logs to look for relevent errors |
| 01:50.31 | victhor | and I didn't check the bug reports, all I could find while looking for this problem was this http://forum.thinkpads.com/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=99977 |
| 01:50.48 | victhor | that's what happened with my laptop |
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| 01:52.08 | Primis | "0x08B Ever physically destroy equipment from software?" <-- hacker purity test |
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| 02:10.30 | karsten | There's a package that provides tools for scripting X11 events. I can't for the life of me remember what it is. |
| 02:10.45 | karsten | What I'd like to do is find a particular rxvt instance and have it do something so I can find it. |
| 02:11.10 | karsten | I've apparently got a shell loop rolling that ssh's a bunch of servers every 30s and I can't find it on my desktop anywhere. |
| 02:11.32 | karsten | xlsclients | wc -l => 91 lines of output. |
| 02:11.47 | karsten | is a little too fond of spawning new terminal shells. |
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| 02:12.33 | abrotman | karsten: seriously? can't you just kill the PPID ? |
| 02:12.37 | karsten | Found it: xwit |
| 02:12.46 | abrotman | judd: info xwit --release squeeze |
| 02:12.50 | judd | Package xwit (x11, optional) in squeeze/i386: a collection of simple routines to call some X11 functions. Version: 3.4-13; Size: 18.7k; Installed: 80k |
| 02:12.52 | karsten | abrotman: I'd like to know what the hell it's doing and why I am doing it. |
| 02:13.01 | abrotman | karsten: bad admin! bad! |
| 02:13.15 | karsten | :) |
| 02:13.41 | victhor | I got this on the log when the screen died http://pastebin.com/APNECegb nothing out of the normal it seems. |
| 02:14.03 | karsten | abrotman: Yeah, well, I'm hoping it's me that's doing this. |
| 02:14.42 | karsten | Now to get WID from PID.... |
| 02:14.53 | abrotman | hehe |
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| 02:18.06 | pepperoni | anyone have ideas on booking this image via KVM ... http://pastebin.com/ChqXbg7m |
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| 02:22.08 | karsten | for xwin in $(xlsclients -l | egrep '(^Window|^ Command: rxvt)' | grep -B1 rxvt | awk '/Window/ {gsub(":", "", $2); print $2}'); do echo ">>> $xwin <<<"; xprop -id $xwin _NET_WM_PID; done |
| 02:22.24 | karsten | Lists all rxvt window sessions, X window IDs, and PIDs associated. |
| 02:22.38 | simonlnu | weee |
| 02:22.44 | karsten | simonlnu: Hola |
| 02:22.51 | simonlnu | hi there |
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| 02:27.30 | Vasistha | I have a plain-text pdf file, and I would like to color the entire page background yellow. Any ideas? |
| 02:28.36 | Vasistha | (when I say plain-text, what I mean is that it doesn't have photos or scanned text, etc) |
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| 02:30.07 | karlpinc | Vasistha: Use the debtags package to search. I use pdftk, but I hear there's better choices. |
| 02:30.07 | teratoma | how can i specify which directory dpkg-buildpackage looks in for my gpg key? |
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| 02:31.17 | karsten | Vasistha: there are some PDF editing tools. Take a look at those. I think that the Gimp will let you do this if you can split the image into layers. |
| 02:31.27 | Vasistha | karlpinc: yeah, I use pdftk for a lot of stuff, but I don't see anything in the manpage about backgrounds or colors. |
| 02:31.40 | karsten | Vasistha: Generally, you're working witha graphic, not a text doc. |
| 02:31.45 | jkyle | I'm trying to pause in my preseed config. I added a dbg/pauses=all in my preseed. When I do, this causes debian-installer to fail with "failed to process preconfiguration file.....the file may be corrupt" |
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| 02:32.06 | Vasistha | karlpinc: alright, I guess I'll just look at some various tools. I'm hoping to find something command-line friendly, since I have to do this for many pages of different documents, in a pretty mechanical/regular way |
| 02:32.28 | abrotman | Vasistha: pdftk can be batched |
| 02:32.37 | Vasistha | alternately, I could do it to a ps file |
| 02:32.48 | Vasistha | abrotman: I know, but I don't know how to get it to change background color :P |
| 02:33.00 | abrotman | it has docs? |
| 02:33.07 | abrotman | the watermark feature? |
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| 02:36.15 | karlpinc | How do I see what config files a package has and what data directories it creates? I'm getting errors in my mail logs from qpopper about a missing /var/spool/popbull/ dir and I want to see if somehow I deleted it or if there's really a problem in the package. I've poked around /var/lib/dpkg/info/qpopper.* and don't see anything. Am I missing anything? |
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| 02:36.58 | karsten | Found it another way. |
| 02:37.01 | LinuxApprentice | is there a program like gparted that is minimalist on depends ? |
| 02:37.05 | karsten | Figured there was a "sleep 30" running somewhere. |
| 02:37.07 | karlpinc | Vasistha: Perhaps a 1 pixel backround image that's tiled? |
| 02:37.30 | karlpinc | LinuxApprentice: You could install with aptitude -R (iirc). |
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| 02:38.01 | Vasistha | karlpinc: well that's an interesting idea. Alright well I'll keep working on it. It seems like it ought to be such a simple thing :P oh well |
| 02:38.18 | Vasistha | LinuxApprentice: or you could just use CLI parted |
| 02:38.35 | Vasistha | oh, maybe it's ncurses |
| 02:38.50 | LinuxApprentice | Vasistha: what is the pkg name of cli/ncurses parted? |
| 02:38.56 | karsten | Did 'ps wuxf', found sleep and its parent shell. straced the shell with 'strace -fp <pid>' |
| 02:39.00 | Vasistha | LinuxApprentice: it's called parted |
| 02:39.05 | karsten | Saw the ssh command in the output. |
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| 02:41.05 | LinuxApprentice | if i changed my swap partition to be usable and commented it out in fstab will i run into problems when i change it back to a swap and uncomment it? the uid will be different, yes? is there a command to update fstab? |
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| 02:42.20 | LinuxApprentice | what doquest: I/O error, dev fd0, sector 0' mean? |
| 02:42.39 | karlpinc | LinuxApprentice: Probably not. But you could use the 'script' command to capture the output to get the uuid when you mkswap. (or tee, but that requires knowing about stdout and stderr and how to capture either/both.) |
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| 02:43.03 | karlpinc | LinuxApprentice: Bad disk or bad drive, usually. |
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| 02:43.27 | LinuxApprentice | fd0 is floppy drive right? there isn't one on this comp |
| 02:43.56 | LinuxApprentice | i didn't get that error untill i changed my swap partition |
| 02:44.07 | karsten | LinuxApprentice: You're trying to read a floppy disk that isn't there. |
| 02:44.17 | LinuxApprentice | i have the fd0 line commented out in fstab |
| 02:44.44 | LinuxApprentice | i haven't issued a command to read a fd, it happened when i opened parted |
| 02:44.52 | karsten | LinuxApprentice: any disk monitoring tools that might be trying to look at a floppy? |
| 02:45.09 | karsten | LinuxApprentice: parted is probably doing a scan of all available / likely devices. |
| 02:45.38 | karsten | LinuxApprentice: Ignore it. If you want, you may be able to disable floppy support. |
| 02:46.00 | LinuxApprentice | how do i disable floppy support? |
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| 02:46.23 | LinuxApprentice | is there a way to auto-generate a fstab file once i create a new swap partition for use ? |
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| 02:47.02 | LinuxApprentice | what 'FS-TYPE' would SWAP be ? SWAP ? |
| 02:47.25 | LinuxApprentice | does a swap partition have to be inside a logical container ? |
| 02:48.16 | Vasistha | LinuxApprentice: yes, and no |
| 02:48.31 | Vasistha | LinuxApprentice: it can be primary or logical |
| 02:48.58 | Vasistha | LinuxApprentice: are you sure you want parted though? It sounds like you are creating new partitions... did you have to resize an existing partition? |
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| 02:49.25 | fattom | !lista |
| 02:49.48 | LinuxApprentice | i have a 40gb hdd. sda1 is the main partition. size is 39.5GB |
| 02:50.02 | LinuxApprentice | i want to create sda1 on remaining for swap usage |
| 02:50.07 | LinuxApprentice | *sda2 i mean |
| 02:50.38 | LinuxApprentice | once i create the swap partition, can i auto-gen a new fstab ? |
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| 02:50.52 | simonlnu | fattom: a) we don't do warez here b) !list is what you're looking for c) !list won't be something you're expecting ;) |
| 02:50.56 | simonlnu | bah |
| 02:51.11 | LinuxApprentice | is fstab what debian looks at for potential swap partitions for use? |
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| 02:52.16 | gnarface | LinuxApprentice: "man fstab" will give you the instructions for the layout of stab. its a very simple file format and it was meant to be hand-edited. |
| 02:52.23 | gnarface | s/stab/fstab |
| 02:52.38 | simonlnu | fstabs gnarface |
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| 02:59.15 | gnarface | LinuxApprentice: and yes, fs-type for swap is swap |
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| 03:02.04 | pmpforever | I mucked up my gdm login screen and lost the option to reconfigure it |
| 03:02.18 | pmpforever | Can I reset it? |
| 03:03.03 | Vasistha | LinuxApprentice: I usually use cfdisk for editing partitions. parted is necessary only when you have an existing partition with data on it and you want to change its size -- cfdisk can't do that. But for creating and deleting partitions, cfdisk is a much more user-friendly tool |
| 03:03.24 | gnarface | pmpforever: isn't there a ~/.gdm directory or something like that where the local user settings are stored? |
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| 03:03.38 | Vasistha | pmpforever: maybe you want to do dpkg-reconfigure gdm ? |
| 03:03.45 | pmpforever | ill try |
| 03:03.56 | Vasistha | gnarface: I would think it would be in /etc |
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| 03:04.18 | gnarface | hmm. probably |
| 03:04.20 | LinuxApprentice | whats the best minimalist login-manager to use? |
| 03:04.34 | gnarface | do you need one? |
| 03:04.42 | gnarface | its more minimal to go without |
| 03:04.46 | LinuxApprentice | yes, i removed gdm3 |
| 03:04.49 | gnarface | logins can be done in plain text without X11 |
| 03:04.56 | pmpforever | gdm.conf? |
| 03:05.40 | Vasistha | pmpforever: maybe |
| 03:06.44 | hikenboot | I have 9 network ports one of the cards has 2 ports..it sees one of the ports but not the other..any fix for this? |
| 03:07.48 | karlpinc | !tell hikenboot about pciid |
| 03:07.59 | hikenboot | karlpinc: thanks |
| 03:08.42 | pmpforever | would delenting the gdm.conf file cause it to reset? |
| 03:08.49 | pmpforever | deleting* |
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| 03:10.09 | somiaj | !tell pmpforever about confmiss |
| 03:10.22 | somiaj | you can tell apt to regenerate the default config file. Making a blank one will not do it |
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| 03:12.07 | pmpforever | would I do apt-get purge gdm and then apt-get install gdm to do that? |
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| 03:14.08 | pmpforever | ok that worked |
| 03:14.41 | somiaj | or you could read the factoid I sent and just reinstall the config files |
| 03:15.07 | pmpforever | oh sorry I didn't realize you sent me that |
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| 03:17.48 | somiaj | that is useful in the case you have to do that for something that would remove most your system to purge it |
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| 03:20.44 | karsten | LinuxApprentice: Re: disabling floppy support -- if it's loaded as a kernel module, you can blacklist that module. If it's compiled-in, you'd have to rebuild your kernel w/o floppy support. |
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| 03:21.11 | AuzBul | Hi |
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| 03:22.26 | LinuxApprentice | karsten: lsmod | grep fd ? |
| 03:22.45 | karsten | LinuxApprentice: 'grep CONFIG_BLK_DEV_F /boot/config-$(uname -r)' |
| 03:22.52 | tertu | I just began using Debian today, and I've run into some trouble after attempting to install the proprietary nvidia drivers. |
| 03:22.54 | karsten | ... will tell you how your kernel is compiled. |
| 03:23.23 | hikenboot | sorry to be a pain but lspci shows the card and the two ports but the eth port doesnt show up even with ifconfig -a but the other port on the dual port nic does...that site with the hardware doesnt seem to show any known issues |
| 03:23.33 | tertu | On my Ubuntu-derived systems, I managed to fix this simply by deleting Xorg.conf (which doesn't appear to be there) |
| 03:23.48 | tertu | Should I just remove the nvidia drivers? |
| 03:23.52 | karsten | LinuxApprentice: I'd have to check to see what module that is... |
| 03:24.20 | simonlnu | either floppy (duh) or some more technical name |
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| 03:25.09 | Vasistha | ah well I dunno how I missed this but pdftk does have the backgrounding capability! I just had to use OOo writer to create a pdf file with a yellow background, and use that with pdftk's background option. Thanks karsten, karlpinc, abrotman |
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| 03:25.27 | gnarface | tertu: incidentally, did you install the nvidia-glx and nvidia-kernel-dkms packages or did you use the official nvidia shell script? |
| 03:25.33 | karsten | Yeah, I see /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/drivers/block/floppy.ko |
| 03:26.18 | tertu | I installed nvidia-glx, at the least. |
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| 03:27.18 | karsten | LinuxApprentice: 'alias floppy off' in /etc/modprobe.conf should do it. I'd have to check that that's the Debian way. |
| 03:27.26 | gnarface | tertu: pastebin your Xorg.0.log and please be more specific about "troubles" |
| 03:27.53 | karsten | LinuxApprentice: check also /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf |
| 03:27.56 | simonlnu | /etc/modprobe.d/local.conf or simialr filename |
| 03:27.56 | tertu | X doesn't load with a message saying it can't detect the display |
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| 03:28.29 | karsten | gnarface: Running around with the wrong crowd, listening to obscene music, too many piercings, binge drinking. |
| 03:28.43 | gnarface | tertu: probably for a good reason. pastebin the whole log so i can look at it, but i'm guessing you're either 1) missing packages 2) missing your xorg.conf |
| 03:28.52 | gnarface | karsten: :-p |
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| 03:29.04 | karsten | gnarface: :) |
| 03:29.24 | tertu | i appear to be missing packages |
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| 03:29.30 | tertu | though xorg.conf is missing |
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| 03:29.39 | tertu | i don't have the DKMS package installed |
| 03:29.47 | gnarface | tertu: if nvidia-kernel-dkms isn't installed, install that first |
| 03:29.57 | tertu | (also i am using the machine without working X right now so I can't use pastebin) |
| 03:30.14 | gnarface | tertu: there's an app called pastebinit |
| 03:30.48 | tertu | excellent! |
| 03:31.16 | tertu | i'll finish installing packages and put that up |
| 03:31.30 | gnarface | tertu: if you're running debian amd64 you will probably want nvidia-glx-ia32 as well for gaming |
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| 03:33.58 | tertu | gnarface: pastebin.com/tu1xjFy4 |
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| 03:37.05 | somiaj | tertu: looks likeit is trying to use 'nouveau' in which it cannot find a kernel module. You have to write a small xorg.conf file to explictly tell xorg to use the nvidia driver |
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| 03:37.44 | somiaj | the 'vesa' module fails for some strange reason, which is why you get no screens |
| 03:37.47 | Matiasu | Hello guys |
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| 03:39.57 | tertu | alright, i installed the dkms package, but that didn't appear to do anything. |
| 03:40.11 | somiaj | you need to write an xorg.conf file |
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| 03:40.14 | somiaj | !tell tertu about nvidia |
| 03:40.19 | BenNZ | tertu: have you tried blacklisting the nouveau module? |
| 03:40.34 | somiaj | !tell tertu about nvidia dkms |
| 03:40.50 | somiaj | BenNZ: he hasn't tried telling xorg.conf to use the 'nvidia' driver yet and it won't detect it automatically. |
| 03:41.21 | somiaj | tertu: that secont factoid tells you what you need to put in your xorg.conf (though it is slightly hard to read if you dn't know \n means enter) |
| 03:41.25 | BenNZ | tertu: ok run sudo nvidia-xconfig and will create one |
| 03:41.25 | somiaj | or new line |
| 03:41.35 | BenNZ | *it will |
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| 03:42.01 | Matiasu | I'm using im-config in order to set the default input method (IM) but I have a problem: if I set that I don't want to use IM (ie, none), it works well but ibus doesn't start automatically and I can write in Japanese. if I set I want to use ibus as the default IM it works for KDE applications but all the GTK application (including xChat) uses the "System default IM", which seems to be "X Input Method" instead of "ibus"! so I |
| 03:42.02 | Matiasu | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:42.07 | Matiasu | what can I do? |
| 03:42.11 | somiaj | that will be overkill, you don't need a full xorg.conf anymore, better to just use the one in the factoid and let the rest be detected automatically |
| 03:42.48 | Matiasu | I can't write in Japanese * |
| 03:43.49 | tertu | does the identifier really matter? also a different guide includes a module section that loads the glx module, should I have that? |
| 03:44.24 | somiaj | tertu: call it anything |
| 03:44.38 | somiaj | tertu: you use to need that to reference it in other parts of the config, but that is all done automatically for the most part |
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| 03:44.50 | tertu | that's what I gathered |
| 03:44.52 | somiaj | tertu: nope, you just need three lines that tell what display driver to use |
| 03:45.13 | tertu | alright, i'll give it a go |
| 03:45.16 | gnarface | tertu: i think nvidia's driver loads the glx extension automatically whether you ask for it or not. other drivers may need it which is why you've seen it listed explicitly elsewhere |
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| 03:46.11 | tertu | OK. |
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| 03:46.41 | somiaj | gnarface: doesn't the xorg server just try to load that module auotmatically by default now anyways? |
| 03:47.07 | somiaj | I really wish they would put a copy of that config snippet in /usr/share/doc/nvidia-kernel-common or some other appropraite package so users can just copy it to /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ |
| 03:47.14 | Matiasu | in other words: why on Earth if I say (using im-config) that my default IM must be ibus, GTK application think the system default IM is "XIM"? -.- |
| 03:48.10 | somiaj | mostly because most the info on it is missleading and they try to create full xorg.conf files with some tool, which could lead to issues with your keyboard/mouse or other devices in X |
| 03:48.21 | somiaj | s/missleading/old and missleading/ |
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| 03:50.41 | gnarface | somiaj: i don't know if its the x server or the driver. i just know my log file mentions that its loaded anyway even though i explicitly requested it |
| 03:51.10 | tertu | After that change, I can't even get into the console |
| 03:51.23 | tertu | all i get is a screen with an oddly flickering cursor |
| 03:51.44 | gnarface | tertu: nouveau drivers loads some framebuffer thing the nvidia binary driver is allergic to |
| 03:51.45 | tyche | somiaj: It's worse than that. I have a 27" Samaung, and NVidia couldn't recognize it. I spent two days at an extremely low res trying to figure out how, then had to build the xorg.conf myself. And I'm not a programmer and made mistakes. An extra pair of eyes solved the problem. |
| 03:51.48 | somiaj | gnarface: I was just using a xorg.conf file from back in teh xfree86 days until recentally when I basically took everything out. |
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| 03:52.25 | gnarface | somiaj: i kept mine. i like to be pedantic and i seem to run a lot of the types of hardware that xorg's auto-detection features choke to death on |
| 03:52.49 | somiaj | tyche: I have to use a custom edid for my sony 40" as it detects the hdmi audio and disables my sound (that I plug in from another sound card via rca). So there are still reasons to need xorg.conf, but most people just need three lines for a nvidia driver |
| 03:52.53 | tertu | !tell tertu about nvidia |
| 03:53.04 | somiaj | tertu: /msg dpkg <factiod> |
| 03:53.08 | somiaj | tertu: you don't need to spam us |
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| 03:53.11 | freedom_ | I have a few users on my PC. I would prefer then to not have permission to read or exec anything thing. Was wondering if this will cause problems with programs etc. |
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| 03:53.28 | gnarface | heh |
| 03:53.38 | somiaj | freedom_: what kind of users? What do you want them to be able to do |
| 03:53.43 | tertu | man whenever i have problems i instantly become a blathering idiot |
| 03:53.48 | somiaj | freedom_: if they can't readd/execute anything it is just that, they can't do anything. |
| 03:53.49 | tertu | sorry about that |
| 03:53.49 | gnarface | freedom_: if by "problems" you mean that they won't be able to read or exec anything, then yes |
| 03:54.04 | freedom_ | They are not sudo but just normal desktop users. |
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| 03:54.25 | somiaj | freedom_: well they have to be able to read/execute anyting assoicated with what ever applications they will run |
| 03:54.45 | malphas | Having a bizarre resolution error with APT. When I attempt to update, it says it's unable to resolve any of the hosts in my sources list. However, I can ping those domains and it will resolve and ping them just fine. resolv.conf is fine, everything else is in place. |
| 03:54.50 | somiaj | freedom_: what are you worried about? Are you wanting to keep data from one users off limits from data of another? |
| 03:54.54 | freedom_ | sure thats fine but I don't want them poking around in my home |
| 03:55.08 | malphas | Additionally, when I try and ssh out to a host, or links, etc, I get the same resolution error, but can still ping. |
| 03:55.10 | somiaj | freedom_: just chmod 750 all user dirs in home, then no one can peak in other users home dir |
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| 03:55.21 | malphas | In a regular browser, I can reach any websites, including those in the sources list. |
| 03:55.47 | freedom_ | Thats is what I was thinking. So only groups can do things. You think I might still bump into problems? |
| 03:55.50 | somiaj | freedom_: note if you are running a webserver and want to use domain.com/~user directories you have to be slightly careful with that, but for the most part just lock of users home dirs is fine. |
| 03:56.01 | freedom_ | www-data |
| 03:56.02 | somiaj | freedom_: by default /home/user is owned by user and group user |
| 03:56.04 | freedom_ | and thats it |
| 03:56.17 | somiaj | freedom_: yea you can make the group www-data if you need the webserver to get into the dir |
| 03:56.39 | gnarface | freedom_: if you don't trust your shell users you are still at risk of them uploading malicious binaries they will own and be able to exec automatically |
| 03:57.12 | gnarface | freedom_: if you're running a php website on the same box though the php is likely to be a far easier target |
| 03:57.36 | tertu | So apparently nouveau did not properly get blacklisted. |
| 03:57.39 | somiaj | though unless they find a root exploit (and they could, espically if you dont' run stable with security updates) they can use those binarys to do anything they want. But for the most part, chmod 750 /home/userdir is enough to keep people out of each others shit |
| 03:57.54 | somiaj | if you are really paranoid make an encrypted filesystem in your home dir that you only mount when you need it |
| 03:58.06 | somiaj | well make a file that is a loopback encrypted filesystem |
| 03:58.10 | freedom_ | gnarface I do use noexec in my fstab for /tmp etc. But true that you say. Not so worried about that. Just don't want my wife and kids reading my stuff. |
| 03:58.15 | malphas | No one seen this resolution problem before? |
| 03:58.59 | gnarface | freedom_: yea just chmod 750 on the home directories like somiaj suggested and that should cover you from that end |
| 03:59.21 | gnarface | freedom_: just don't store any of your porn outside your own home directory, and don't leave it logged in ;-P |
| 03:59.23 | somiaj | though having stuff you want to hide from your wife and kids, if you are that secerative make a crypto loopback file system. (: |
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| 03:59.30 | freedom_ | yeah Ill give that a go. If I have problems I just make groups |
| 03:59.40 | Matiasu | http://i.imgur.com/4XVsk.png <-- look, here is the problem. im-config says the IM is "ibus" while GTK applications says the default IM is "xim" |
| 04:00.15 | tertu | Well, some success |
| 04:00.24 | tertu | X starts without errors to a black screen |
| 04:00.30 | gnarface | freedom_: debian has existing groups for a lot of stuff you'll commonly want, so you don't necessarily need to add groups rather just add users to the existing ones. for example the 'audio' group will let them play music through the soundcard and the 'cdrom' group will let them use the optical drive |
| 04:00.36 | gnarface | drive(s) |
| 04:00.38 | somiaj | tertu: again unless you share your xorg log we can't really do much |
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| 04:01.10 | BenNZ | tertu: try adding blacklist nouveau to /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf |
| 04:01.26 | freedom_ | gnarface thx for the help. |
| 04:01.33 | freedom_ | and same to the others |
| 04:02.09 | malphas | Additionally, when I try and ssh out to a host, or links, etc, I get the same resolution error, but can still ping. I can browse everything fine in chrome, no dns issues. It just will not resolve anything with SSH or APT. |
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| 04:03.15 | gnarface | malphas: browsers often cache dns info. |
| 04:03.19 | somiaj | malphas: care to share your sources.list file with us |
| 04:03.49 | malphas | It's default, security.debian.org, ftp.us.debian.org are returning resolution errrors. |
| 04:03.53 | malphas | errors. |
| 04:04.01 | malphas | Additionally, I can't get hosts to resolve via SSH |
| 04:04.10 | malphas | I can, however, ping any of these from the console without trouble. |
| 04:04.18 | malphas | It seems isolated to SSH and apt, so far. |
| 04:04.47 | malphas | W: Failed to fetch http://security.debian.org/dists/squeeze/updates/main/i18n/Translation-en_US.gz Could not resolve 'security.debian.org' |
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| 04:05.00 | gnarface | so many things that could be wrong when you don't respond with the info we're asking for |
| 04:05.02 | malphas | PING security.debian.org (149.20.20.6) 56(84) bytes of data. |
| 04:05.03 | malphas | 64 bytes from security.debian.org (149.20.20.6): icmp_req=1 ttl=58 time=66.8 ms |
| 04:05.30 | malphas | There is nothing else in my sources.list... how would having those strings somehow prevent dns from working for SSH? |
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| 04:05.50 | malphas | SSH doesn't look at sources.list, but cannot resolve hostnames either. |
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| 04:06.00 | tertu | http://pastebin.com/XGAiCys0 |
| 04:06.02 | malphas | Again, I can ping them, or reach them with a browser just fine. |
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| 04:06.14 | gnarface | malphas: come on just work with us here. we have to be methodical about this or we'll end up looking over the same thing you did |
| 04:06.20 | tertu | here's before I blacklisted nouveau |
| 04:06.45 | BenNZ | tertu: have you blacklisted nouveau now? |
| 04:06.48 | malphas | gnarface: I'm not trying to make it harder, I'm asking what you expect to find in sources.list that might prevent SSH from resolving hosts |
| 04:06.50 | tertu | yes |
| 04:07.33 | BenNZ | tertu: there isnt enough in your corg.conf , run sudo nvidia-xconfig and reboot |
| 04:07.34 | gnarface | tertu: according to that log file it worked fine. what's wrong ? |
| 04:07.36 | tertu | And X starts. Thank you so much, everyone! |
| 04:07.38 | malphas | I've been at this for hours. My sources list is default for using us mirrors, and security.debian.org. |
| 04:07.48 | gnarface | oh |
| 04:07.49 | tertu | gnarface: there was nothing displayed at all |
| 04:07.55 | freedom_ | Oh one weird thing I bumped into. It that the cmd to open "Synaptic Package Manger" is su-to-root -X -c /usr/sbin/synaptic. Not even sudo -i or gksu can start it. I have to use my root pw. Is this normal? Kind of weird since a sudo aptitude install xxx works. |
| 04:07.59 | gnarface | tertu: were you missing a window manager? |
| 04:08.04 | tertu | probably. |
| 04:08.12 | tertu | anyways, it works now. |
| 04:08.18 | gnarface | tertu: black screen with nothing but a mouse? |
| 04:08.24 | gnarface | tertu: hooraay! |
| 04:08.26 | tertu | Nothing at all, not even a mouse. |
| 04:08.45 | malphas | tertu: Incorrect x server? |
| 04:08.53 | gnarface | tertu: but you installed a window manager and its fine now? or.. new problem? |
| 04:08.57 | malphas | which driver is your conf using? |
| 04:09.01 | tertu | No, no new problems |
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| 04:09.15 | tertu | I blacklisted nouveau, restarted, and X ran perfectly |
| 04:09.24 | gnarface | good |
| 04:09.32 | gnarface | for a second there i thought you were telling us it was still broken |
| 04:09.52 | tertu | that was the run that the last log came from |
| 04:10.04 | gnarface | malphas: i expected to find an unrelated issue, i was going to address the ssh thing separately |
| 04:10.46 | gnarface | malphas: have you done dns queries directly against ALL the nameservers listed in your /etc/resolv.conf? |
| 04:11.00 | gnarface | malorie: one could be broken or out-of-date |
| 04:11.04 | malphas | Yes. |
| 04:11.07 | malphas | Each works fine. |
| 04:11.18 | malphas | I'm running dns locally, but just in case I tried external as well. |
| 04:11.19 | malphas | No changes. |
| 04:11.33 | gnarface | malorie: but i don't suppose you're gonna list them for us so we can verify that for ourselves either? |
| 04:11.53 | malphas | What's confounding me is that the errors seem to be isolated to apt/ssh. Ping works perfectly fine resolving these hosts |
| 04:11.57 | malphas | and I can browse them all day long. |
| 04:12.14 | malphas | Is there perhaps some sort of shared library that apt/ssh use for handling resolutions? |
| 04:12.32 | malphas | I even went so far as to manually add the sources to my hosts file to bypass dns, no joy. |
| 04:12.40 | malphas | In 17 years of using debian, never seen this. |
| 04:13.08 | gnarface | malorie: its usually user error |
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| 04:14.02 | BenNZ | malphas: does sudo apt-get update finish without error? |
| 04:14.49 | gnarface | malorie: you might want to check your routes to the sources. just because ICMP gets through doesn't mean TCP will |
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| 04:15.29 | gnarface | malorie: traceroute both with&without -T |
| 04:15.31 | malphas | BenNZ: No. I'm doing this as root. |
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| 04:16.10 | BenNZ | malphas: what error do you get ? |
| 04:16.20 | malphas | The exact one I've been pasting :) |
| 04:16.24 | malphas | Unable to resolve any hosts |
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| 04:16.37 | malphas | I can ping them perfectly well, or browse to them through Chrome |
| 04:16.47 | malphas | SSH also cannot resolve any domains. |
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| 04:24.47 | lake | hi. i'd like to install debian under intel 64 bit os (i have 16gb of ram i want to use).do I download the ia64 image? |
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| 04:26.21 | tertu | lake: you need the amd64 image. ia64 is Itanium. I made that mistake myself, sadly... |
| 04:26.31 | lake | tertu: thank you. that is confusing. |
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| 04:29.43 | malphas | So no further things to try? No one knows if there's a particular library perhaps used by SSH, APT or other cli utilities that might be missing? |
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| 04:31.42 | gnarface | malphas: no, and nobody is likely to want to try very hard to help you when you won't cooperate with them either. you've basically come in here and demanded us to double-check your work, for free, and then refused every request to actually SEE any of it. |
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| 04:32.01 | malphas | Really? |
| 04:32.24 | malphas | What is it that you'll find in my sources list, and I'm asking honestly here, that would affect SSH's ability to resolve hosts? |
| 04:32.28 | gnarface | malphas: yea, really, and you probably should be checking your upstream connection too. they *can* go awry |
| 04:32.49 | malphas | If that were true, then I would see issues with every program. |
| 04:32.52 | malphas | Not just two CLI |
| 04:32.56 | gnarface | malorie: i honestly told you, didn't you pay attention? i said what i expected to find there was a completely unrelated issue to the ssh one |
| 04:32.58 | karlpinc | malphas: The same thing that would affect everything's ability to resolve? You only have the problem with ssh? |
| 04:33.04 | malphas | No |
| 04:33.06 | malphas | SSH/apt |
| 04:33.09 | malphas | ping works fine. |
| 04:33.24 | karlpinc | malphas: ping resolves and ssh does not? |
| 04:33.26 | malphas | I'm using, as sources, only ftp.us.debian.org for the stable branch |
| 04:33.31 | malphas | karlpinc: right. |
| 04:33.43 | malphas | I can ping security.debian.org fine, or ftp.us.debian.org |
| 04:33.49 | malphas | it resolves the mirrors in rotation fine |
| 04:33.53 | malphas | but apt will not resolve them |
| 04:33.55 | malphas | nor will SSH. |
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| 04:33.59 | malphas | I can reach them in Chrome without issue |
| 04:34.01 | karlpinc | malphas: Do you know what DNS resolution is? |
| 04:34.07 | malphas | *sigh* yes. |
| 04:34.08 | LtL | malphas: pastebinit /etc/nsswitch.conf |
| 04:34.24 | gnarface | LtL: he won't |
| 04:35.04 | malphas | http://pastebin.com/eXMFuWDF |
| 04:35.33 | malphas | gnarface: Still not trying to work against people, just not interesting in being spoken to like I just installed Ubuntu for the first time. |
| 04:35.53 | malphas | You still can't tell me what would be in my sources list that would affect SSH's ability to resolve hosts. |
| 04:35.59 | bootris | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:36.22 | malphas | I've also mentioned several times now that my sources list is the debian default for the us mirror pool and security. |
| 04:36.25 | malphas | that's it |
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| 04:36.41 | malphas | bootris: How would upstream prevent DNS resolutions from only two specific programs |
| 04:36.45 | malphas | and not anything else? |
| 04:36.49 | gnarface | malphas: are you ignoring EVERY response? i am not assuming your ssh and apt are fucked up by the same problem |
| 04:36.51 | malphas | Not trying to be combative, just asking. |
| 04:36.57 | LtL | malphas: hosts: files mdns4_minimal [NOTFOUND=return] dns mdns4 |
| 04:37.04 | bootris | If that were true, then I would see issues with every program.. Not just two CLI |
| 04:37.11 | bootris | good night |
| 04:37.14 | malphas | bootris: Right. |
| 04:37.20 | malphas | LtL: trying that. |
| 04:37.55 | bootris | HATE MATH.. |
| 04:38.11 | LtL | malphas: try that entry, unless you've done something differently, and possibly /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 04:38.11 | karlpinc | LtL: I always get rid of mdns. It's nothing but trouble. |
| 04:38.27 | malphas | I generally do as well, but willing to try just about anything. |
| 04:38.36 | malphas | ltl: my networking settings are fine |
| 04:38.42 | malphas | No change. :/ |
| 04:39.00 | LtL | malphas: just a guess, sorry |
| 04:39.09 | malphas | W: Failed to fetch http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/squeeze-updates/main/i18n/Translation-en_US.gz Could not resolve 'ftp.us.debian.org' |
| 04:39.14 | malphas | PING ftp.us.debian.org (64.50.233.100) 56(84) bytes of data. |
| 04:39.14 | malphas | 64 bytes from ftp.us.debian.org (64.50.233.100): icmp_req=1 ttl=58 time=144 ms |
| 04:39.22 | malphas | Appreciate the try. |
| 04:39.29 | bootris | i get too.. you know what to right and wrong.. |
| 04:39.49 | malphas | I've tried three different DNS hosts, just to see |
| 04:39.58 | malphas | I've even tried manually making entries in my hosts file to bypass dns |
| 04:40.00 | malphas | nada. |
| 04:40.05 | malphas | and ONLY for those two programs. |
| 04:40.23 | karlpinc | Has anyone looked at malphas sources.list to see if he's mixing releases or doing other strange things to break his system? |
| 04:40.40 | malphas | Again, how would my sources.list prevent me from using SSH |
| 04:40.51 | karlpinc | malphas: Because you'd install stuff to break ssh. |
| 04:40.54 | malphas | You can see in the above paste what my sources.list is using. |
| 04:40.59 | malphas | karlpinc: That's insulting. |
| 04:41.01 | bootris | i used to play russians and bosnians oinline alot of puzzle video games mostly tetris variants |
| 04:41.02 | malphas | And no, I haven't. |
| 04:41.12 | malphas | SSH won't resolve, it connects fine |
| 04:41.14 | gnarface | malphas: selinux? |
| 04:41.19 | malphas | I'm ssh'd into my server now. |
| 04:41.22 | malphas | Not using SELinux |
| 04:41.35 | LtL | malphas: karlpinc knows what he's talking about, just trying to help you. |
| 04:41.35 | bootris | why see the beach when you can see the whole universe? |
| 04:41.54 | karlpinc | malphas: No, it's considering the possiblites. People come here all the time with problems caused by doing that. |
| 04:42.01 | malphas | LtL: I understand, but have been using debian for 17+ years. I promise I've checked the basics. |
| 04:42.17 | malphas | I'm not an expert by any means, but I do know what I'm doing. |
| 04:42.23 | malphas | Not trying to be a dick, honestly. |
| 04:42.31 | malphas | Just really frustrated with this. Never seen it before. |
| 04:42.41 | gnarface | debian version? |
| 04:42.50 | bootris | +syntax bootris |
| 04:42.52 | malphas | Linux wraith 2.6.32-5-amd64 #1 SMP Thu Nov 3 03:41:26 UTC 2011 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 04:43.11 | malphas | 6.0.3 |
| 04:43.12 | bootris | she has completely taken over their care and she hangs out with them after work every day |
| 04:43.36 | karlpinc | bootris: #debian-offtopic |
| 04:44.01 | gnarface | malphas: firewall? |
| 04:44.13 | malphas | gnarface: would prevent ping from performing the same resolution. |
| 04:44.30 | malphas | would also block Chrome |
| 04:44.34 | karlpinc | gnarface: I'm thinking tcpdump, just to see what's happening. |
| 04:44.49 | bootris | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:44.55 | malphas | I'll give it a shot, gotta install manually. |
| 04:45.23 | karlpinc | bootris: Get a grip and take it somewhere else. |
| 04:45.29 | gnarface | malphas: is your firewall a separate machine? if so i'd dump at that end too |
| 04:46.04 | bootris | I am not in the LiveCD. I was wondering how to do it without the live CD.. Nevermind, got it.. I really need to try to sudo something any time it doesn't work as expected. =/ |
| 04:46.09 | malphas | I have my own iptables scripts on both machines; neither block or filter outgoing NS requests |
| 04:46.16 | malphas | and again, chrome/ping resolve fine |
| 04:46.20 | malphas | it's ONLY ssh/apt |
| 04:46.33 | karlpinc | !ops bootris seems to be drooling into the channel |
| 04:46.33 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: karlpinc complains about: bootris seems to be drooling into the channel |
| 04:46.34 | malphas | I did try dropping them both on a whim though a few hours ago, no change. |
| 04:46.47 | gnarface | wget ? |
| 04:46.49 | bootris | maybe i should take some.. what is it derived from |
| 04:46.57 | bootris | i thinks its for olympic athletes and costs like 5000 dollars you are supposed to use it 1 hour a day |
| 04:47.07 | malphas | wget won't resolve either. |
| 04:47.16 | malphas | accessing the same file with chrome works fine. |
| 04:47.33 | gnarface | malphas: even if you close and re-open chrome? |
| 04:47.40 | malphas | Yes, I cleared the cache manually. |
| 04:47.48 | bootris | kind of flip flopped.. sup Broke.. |
| 04:47.49 | malphas | wget works fine if I use the IP. |
| 04:47.53 | gnarface | Yes, *and* you cleared manually? |
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| 04:47.58 | malphas | Yes. |
| 04:48.12 | gnarface | and you're running a dns server locally |
| 04:48.17 | bootris | did they delete the entire list of aops? |
| 04:48.20 | bootris | !ops bootris seems to be drooling into the channel |
| 04:48.21 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: bootris complains about: bootris seems to be drooling into the channel |
| 04:48.22 | malphas | I have one locally, and two remotely. |
| 04:48.25 | gnarface | and your /etc/resolv.conf has ... 127.0.0.1 ? |
| 04:48.26 | malphas | None of them make any difference. |
| 04:48.28 | malphas | But again |
| 04:48.31 | malphas | ping works fine |
| 04:48.35 | malphas | no caching. |
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| 04:48.58 | bootris | umm |
| 04:49.09 | gnarface | and you can use nslookup explicitly on every nameserver in your resolv.conf for that host? |
| 04:49.11 | karlpinc | malphas: And you've nothing in sources.list but debian repos and never have, right? |
| 04:49.17 | malphas | gnarface: yes. |
| 04:49.20 | karlpinc | gnarface: (I prefer dig.) |
| 04:49.22 | malphas | karlpinc: Right. |
| 04:49.24 | bootris | i often got syntax troubles with ffmpeg..... i took time to succeed.... but i never forget after... :) |
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| 04:49.37 | malphas | I also prefer dig |
| 04:49.45 | bootris | wget won't resolve either.. accessing the same file with chrome works fine. |
| 04:49.46 | malphas | but neither it nor nslookup have issues. |
| 04:49.52 | malphas | Right. |
| 04:49.55 | gnarface | malphas: ssh -v? |
| 04:50.18 | malphas | debug1: Reading configuration data /etc/ssh/ssh_config |
| 04:50.19 | malphas | debug1: Applying options for * |
| 04:50.19 | malphas | ssh: Could not resolve hostname thoughtbomb.org: Name or service not known |
| 04:50.22 | karlpinc | malphas: There's also "getent hosts" to test the resolver itself. |
| 04:50.40 | malphas | root@wraith:/home/vaetis# getent hosts |
| 04:50.40 | malphas | 127.0.0.1 localhost |
| 04:50.40 | malphas | 127.0.1.1 wraith.gatenet wraith |
| 04:50.40 | malphas | 127.0.0.1 ip6-localhost ip6-loopback |
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| 04:50.47 | malphas | Whoops. |
| 04:50.52 | malphas | Sorry for the flood. |
| 04:51.03 | karlpinc | malphas: It's "getent hosts foo.example.com" |
| 04:51.25 | bootris | i flew my bike higher today than ever before |
| 04:51.32 | malphas | karlpinc: I know, no joy. |
| 04:51.38 | karlpinc | malphas: I'm thinking IPv6. What happens if you use -4 with ssh? |
| 04:52.00 | malphas | hmmm |
| 04:52.02 | malphas | That worked. |
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| 04:52.18 | karlpinc | malphas: Ok. So IPv6 resolution is broken. |
| 04:52.26 | malphas | That's interesting. |
| 04:52.33 | malphas | How would it be defaulting to 6? |
| 04:52.43 | malphas | and why only the cli tools, do you think? |
| 04:52.48 | karlpinc | malphas: ssh does. Some others also. Dunno which. |
| 04:52.58 | gnarface | malphas: does your local dns server listen on ::1? |
| 04:53.11 | malphas | yeah it's listening for both 6 and 4 |
| 04:53.27 | bootris | sure |
| 04:53.38 | bootris | bleep you don't even know me.. why are you insulting me |
| 04:53.41 | gnarface | hmm. is this your own domain? you have to add the ipv6 record as well AAAA |
| 04:54.07 | bootris | i had a bad experience doesnt mean you don't cause any damages or deaths does not age.. |
| 04:54.10 | karlpinc | malphas: And why would you be having this problem now? |
| 04:54.17 | malphas | gnarface: I have my own domain as one of the tests, yes; iirc debian's domains, including the security. and ftp.us pools also resolve over 6. |
| 04:54.23 | malphas | karlpinc: Exactly |
| 04:54.27 | lake | i am using the graphical installer just now and my keyboard and mouse do not work |
| 04:54.41 | malphas | I installed debian, then threw windows on this box. Was able to install packages fine before the install |
| 04:54.47 | gnarface | malphas: but does your current upstream pass ipv6 ... |
| 04:54.51 | malphas | gnarface: yes |
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| 04:55.09 | karlpinc | lake: The easy answer is don't use the graphical installer. But it might be a symptom of another problem. |
| 04:55.15 | karlpinc | !tell lake about kmuto |
| 04:55.34 | Dagger3 | malphas: what does `dig AAAA security.debian.org` say? |
| 04:55.39 | bootris | i missed you how is your fiance and the ferrets and school |
| 04:56.15 | chelz | what're the best practices for installing something that isn't available in stable? specifically python2.7 in squeeze. my best guess is apt-pinning but there might be something smarter |
| 04:56.37 | gnarface | chelz: backports? |
| 04:56.40 | karlpinc | lake: There's a section in http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSoftware on kmuto, although that's probably not the best place it's the one I know. |
| 04:57.15 | chelz | gnarface: it's been brought up to be backported but it's been a while and it's still not in there. i'm not even sure it's being worked on. |
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| 04:57.30 | karlpinc | !tell chelz about ssb |
| 04:57.46 | gnarface | chelz: you could backport it yourself |
| 04:58.00 | chelz | karlpinc: neat |
| 04:58.02 | karlpinc | chelz: You don't have to backport from sid either, you can do it from wheezy. |
| 04:58.16 | chelz | gnarface: i saw a mailing list thing where a guy said it basically compiles fine |
| 04:58.26 | chelz | karlpinc: so for each update i'd need to recompile right? |
| 04:58.35 | chelz | karlpinc: any other kinda gotchas? |
| 04:58.39 | karlpinc | chelz: Yup. A do-over. |
| 04:58.53 | karlpinc | chelz: You don't get support from the security team. :) |
| 04:59.19 | lake | karlpinc: so i'm downloading squeeze-custom-amd-08-08 is that right? |
| 04:59.41 | chelz | karlpinc: well not officially, but i can try to compile anything they release right? |
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| 05:00.09 | karlpinc | chelz: It's also probably smart to do something with the revision numbers in the deb so that you don't wind up superseeding a newer package should one show up in backports (etc.) |
| 05:00.16 | karlpinc | chelz: Right. |
| 05:00.39 | karlpinc | lake: I don't know. I just did it once long ago and it worked for me. That sounds right. (If it's a kernel problem.) |
| 05:01.13 | lake | karlpinc: may as well try the non graphical version first |
| 05:01.17 | karlpinc | lake: The other thing is the kmuto installer _used_ to install a stock kernel, which ment messing around with <backports> to install a newer kernel after install. I don't think that's a problem any more but I don't know. |
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| 05:01.57 | chelz | karlpinc: yeah hm. it sure would be nice if there was documentation on that kind of thing. |
| 05:02.01 | karlpinc | lake: You might want a minimal install, then you can run tasksel afterwards to install other stuff. |
| 05:02.44 | lake | looks like my network hardware requires iwlwifi*.ucode. dang |
| 05:02.48 | karlpinc | chelz: I think backports has some docs. But the thing to read is the kpkg docs. It talks about that a lot. |
| 05:03.22 | karlpinc | !tell chelz about make-kpkg |
| 05:03.35 | karlpinc | chelz: make-kpkg, not kpkg. |
| 05:03.58 | overflow_0f8b | anybody able to enable java in chrome? |
| 05:04.00 | karlpinc | chelz: I think it's in the readme.debian, or somewhere in the doc dir. |
| 05:04.07 | karlpinc | !tell chelz about readme.debian. |
| 05:04.28 | karlpinc | !tell overflow_0f8b about anybody |
| 05:05.36 | overflow_0f8b | i have installed java sdk, and then even JDK, but chrome will not detect it, and there is no plugin dir i could link some files in |
| 05:05.59 | karlpinc | chelz: It's also in the debian-policy package, but I don't recall there's anything step-by-step. |
| 05:06.26 | karlpinc | overflow_0f8b: There's probably a plugin package. That's how firefox works. I don't know anything about chrome though, this is just a guess. |
| 05:06.52 | overflow_0f8b | karlpinc<< i can install it on firefox, i can install it on opera, i already did, chrome won't work |
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| 05:07.33 | karlpinc | overflow_0f8b: Is there a plugin package? Are you even using the debian packages? |
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| 05:08.53 | overflow_0f8b | karlpinc<< i went to java.jom, downloaded the java, then installed it |
| 05:10.02 | malphas | Ok so, update |
| 05:10.14 | malphas | I went through my network to make sure there were no issues with ipv6 |
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| 05:10.54 | malphas | and then it dawned on me that I could replace the pool names in my sources file with ips for mirrors. So I did, and update worked perfectly fine. Did an upgrade, and now resolutions are working just fine. |
| 05:11.12 | malphas | for ssh and wget as well. |
| 05:11.23 | malphas | Thanks for taking the time folks, sorry if I seemed combative. |
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| 05:16.34 | LtL | malphas: congrats :) |
| 05:17.14 | malphas | LtL: Thanks. :) Hours and hours beating my head against this, getting banned from #linux; it's a sweet victory. :D |
| 05:17.17 | chelz | karlpinc: alright, those sound like some good references. many thanks |
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| 05:23.13 | overflow_0f8b | ok i have linked the java plugins in chrome directory and it's still not in plugins |
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| 05:28.18 | anisfarhana | Anyone familiar with this error message --> http://pastebin.ws/783tph ? |
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| 05:32.06 | c0w | how do I remove the whole desktop environment? |
| 05:32.22 | c0w | with apt |
| 05:33.36 | c0w | the option from install |
| 05:34.32 | c0w | nvrmind found tasksel :) |
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| 05:35.42 | clone_of_saturn | anisfarhana: segmentation fault? |
| 05:35.54 | wols | http://pastebin.ws/783tph ? |
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| 05:36.04 | anisfarhana | clone_of_saturn: yup |
| 05:36.36 | anisfarhana | wols: that is the /var/log/messages |
| 05:37.01 | wols | your bnc process is badly programmed I'd say. use another program |
| 05:37.26 | anisfarhana | wols: i use the source like hundred times before with no problem. |
| 05:37.27 | anisfarhana | Weird. |
| 05:37.35 | anisfarhana | But i am trying again now :) |
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| 05:38.27 | clone_of_saturn | maybe someone is trying to exploit it |
| 05:39.29 | anisfarhana | clone_of_saturn: i am not going to exploit my own box |
| 05:39.32 | anisfarhana | hugs her vps :D |
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| 05:40.18 | clone_of_saturn | you mean it's not connected to any irc servers? |
| 05:40.59 | anisfarhana | clone_of_saturn: nope |
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| 05:41.27 | anisfarhana | clone_of_saturn: /server ip.address port , then it is automatically disconnected , and the process killed. |
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| 05:42.35 | clone_of_saturn | i guess it's just a bug, then |
| 05:42.37 | anisfarhana | clone_of_saturn / wols : it works now! |
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| 05:47.48 | LinuxApprentice | how can i disable fd0 ? |
| 05:48.18 | somiaj | LinuxApprentice: what do you mean? Do you have a floppy drive in your system you don't want to show up? |
| 05:49.47 | LinuxApprentice | somiaj: well no, i'm getting reported IO errors because the fd is not even present and i guess debian thinks it is |
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| 05:50.02 | LinuxApprentice | somiaj: this didn't happen untill i messed with my swap partition |
| 05:51.18 | somiaj | you can blacklist the floppy drive module (I don't know its name), but I'm not sure how messing with a swap partition would cause such issues to appear. What did you do to your swap partition? |
| 05:52.10 | LinuxApprentice | somiaj: i changed the type, needed to put some stuff on it |
| 05:52.25 | LinuxApprentice | somiaj: i then commented it out in fstab |
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| 05:52.58 | somiaj | so you aren't running a swap partition and put a new filesystem on that partion. I still don't see why this would cause anything to happen with your floppy drive |
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| 05:53.46 | LinuxApprentice | somiaj: let me ask u something else. how can i resize sda1? |
| 05:54.04 | somiaj | is that your root partition? |
| 05:54.16 | LinuxApprentice | somiaj: yes |
| 05:54.33 | LinuxApprentice | i need sda2 to be 1GB |
| 05:54.42 | somiaj | you'll awnt to boot up onto a live system (so you are not running on that partition) then you can use something like gparted to resize the filesystem and partition |
| 05:55.01 | somiaj | you should of coures back up stuff when doing this just in case something goes wrong |
| 05:55.19 | somiaj | LinuxApprentice: 'lsmod | grep floppy' -- do you have that module loaded? |
| 05:55.27 | LinuxApprentice | let me see... |
| 05:55.49 | LinuxApprentice | it outputted floppy with a number |
| 05:56.50 | somiaj | well you need to blacklist that module, /etc/modprobe.d/ add 'blacklist floppy' to the blacklist file in there, and then 'rmmod floppy' to remove it from running |
| 05:57.12 | somiaj | acutally modprobe -r floppy (since I have been told that is better by people I trust) |
| 05:58.42 | LinuxApprentice | somiaj: that worked, now gparted will start |
| 05:59.23 | somiaj | don't resize the partition while running the os on it |
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| 06:09.09 | LinuxApprentice | can the debian installer be restarted after installing debian? |
| 06:09.18 | flamoot | I would move the directories out of the way 1st. otherwise,, it gets very ugly |
| 06:09.34 | chelz | LinuxApprentice: for what purpose do you want to restart the installer? |
| 06:09.56 | LinuxApprentice | chelz: to see if i can boot a live-cd image on a usb stick since my bios won't do it |
| 06:10.09 | LinuxApprentice | can grub2 boot live-cd on usb stick? |
| 06:10.16 | chelz | LinuxApprentice: it can |
| 06:10.23 | LinuxApprentice | chelz: how |
| 06:10.23 | chelz | iso loopback thing |
| 06:10.46 | LinuxApprentice | so the grub2 that is installed on my hdd now can boot a live-cd that is on a usb stick? |
| 06:11.21 | chelz | trying to find the thing |
| 06:11.25 | LinuxApprentice | ok |
| 06:11.45 | LinuxApprentice | they told me in #linux that it wasn't possible |
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| 06:12.07 | LinuxApprentice | that grub2 would have no way of knowing how to find the usb stick if the bios didn't give it the id |
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| 06:17.02 | overflow_0f8b | This webpage is not available |
| 06:17.04 | overflow_0f8b | The webpage at chrome://extensions/ might be temporarily down or it may have moved permanently to a new web address. |
| 06:17.07 | overflow_0f8b | Error 300 (net::ERR_INVALID_URL): Unknown error. |
| 06:17.09 | overflow_0f8b | ! |
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| 06:17.18 | flamoot | im gonna talk to some friends about getting a lil shell space on a server for a bot.. lol.. #lovers is cool though.. did you start this channel?. you need to get some sleep ehehe if youve been up that long!. that will make u crazy lol |
| 06:17.28 | chelz | LinuxApprentice: http://rww.name/articles/grub2iso.html |
| 06:18.30 | overflow_0f8b | now you have to be patient with webbrowsers, if i had subscribed to this i'd surely unsuscribe, and want my money back too. |
| 06:19.24 | overflow_0f8b | well now it got killed by system for something |
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| 06:20.20 | rf5 | hi guys. having a problem in here when i apt-get upgrade: http://paste.ubuntu.com/834860/ |
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| 06:24.59 | streuner | rf5, what does "dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1" say, btw? |
| 06:25.09 | rf5 | im trying dpkg-reconfigure locales but getting wrrors |
| 06:25.21 | rf5 | ii libc6 2.7-5 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 06:25.34 | streuner | judd, versions libc6 |
| 06:25.36 | judd | Package: libc6 on i386 -- lenny: 2.7-18lenny7; lenny-security: 2.7-18lenny7; squeeze: 2.11.3-2; sid: 2.13-26; wheezy: 2.13-26 |
| 06:25.36 | flamoot | wikileaaks is cool tor search engine i think its basically cia censored stuff from wikipedia if you want real worlwide news use wikileaks but you may see stuff like dead bodies or tortured people |
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| 06:27.32 | rf5 | streuner what should i do? |
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| 06:28.21 | streuner | rf5, thats a desktop system? |
| 06:28.27 | rf5 | no |
| 06:28.44 | streuner | production server then? :-) |
| 06:28.47 | rf5 | its a server |
| 06:28.52 | rf5 | ya kind of |
| 06:29.16 | rf5 | i think if i fix this language issue ill be able to fix the whole thing dont you think streuner? |
| 06:29.17 | flamoot | economics is so boring |
| 06:29.53 | streuner | rf5, Can you pastebin your sources.list? |
| 06:30.27 | rf5 | HMM |
| 06:31.15 | rf5 | http://paste.ubuntu.com/834866/ |
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| 06:31.53 | streuner | well, thats insane then |
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| 06:32.23 | rf5 | ya thats why i said HMM haha. the /etc/issue says lenny/sid |
| 06:33.08 | rf5 | ill set the repos to lenny and try to fix it. |
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| 06:34.47 | c0w | how do I put packages on hold ? |
| 06:34.49 | flamoot | 7.3 feet wide.. hmm, now that sounds kinda sexy actually. |
| 06:34.58 | streuner | c0w: /msg dpkg hold |
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| 06:36.47 | c0w | ive tried those command and they don't work |
| 06:39.02 | nsadmin | !doesn't work |
| 06:39.02 | dpkg | "Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions> and <errors>. |
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| 06:45.34 | userisdum | where can i go to learn more about the /sys interface? i'm wanting to fiddle with the usb |
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| 06:50.34 | rf5 | streuner: |
| 06:50.37 | rf5 | found the solutino |
| 06:51.14 | rf5 | fixed the repositorys then reconfig the locales |
| 06:51.17 | nsadmin | is that a new kind of cracker?@ |
| 06:51.23 | rf5 | now everything is working thanks |
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| 06:51.55 | nsadmin | I believe I'll have a chicken sandwich and some solutinos |
| 06:52.06 | flamoot | dont sweat it.. we're all banned.. i've been here 5 or 6.. this is the #love regroup channel.. _. |
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| 06:53.56 | nsadmin | userisdum, what's mounted on /sys? |
| 06:54.09 | krish | guys, can I use libgsasl7 and libgsasl7-dev from squeeze on lenny? |
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| 06:54.40 | nsadmin | why would you want to? do you want to upgrade to squeeze? |
| 06:56.05 | nsadmin | , versions libgsasl7 |
| 06:56.08 | judd | Package: libgsasl7 on i386 -- lenny: 0.2.26-2; squeeze: 1.4.4-2; sid: 1.6.1-1; wheezy: 1.6.1-1 |
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| 06:56.48 | somiaj | krish: lenny has read its end of life (support). So before considering backporting a package you may want to consider planning an upgrade. |
| 06:56.54 | flamoot | i used to buy the space hopper size baloons and fill them up with 8 x 8g chargers.. n pass it around.. beats messing around with chargers every 2 minutes |
| 06:58.01 | chelz | any idea how to get gnu screen to work with at/atd? any form of echo screen | at NOW won't leave any screen running |
| 06:58.02 | somiaj | s/read/reached/ |
| 06:58.05 | flamoot | you can use udevadm test --action=add <syspath> and watch the output carefully…..you will see that it will read very rule, but then you will also see if anything takes action |
| 06:58.08 | flamoot | I think, maybe, I need to talk to the guys in #hardened. |
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| 06:58.49 | nsadmin | chelz, consider: what does "echo screen" do? |
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| 06:59.11 | chelz | nsadmin: it supplies the commands to at to run |
| 06:59.30 | chelz | nsadmin: at doesn't take arguments for whatever reason |
| 06:59.35 | krish | somiaj: :( yeah true that. but I need these packages |
| 06:59.40 | chelz | or rather, commands as arguments |
| 06:59.52 | krish | I should though upgrade to squeeze soon |
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| 07:00.03 | somiaj | krish: then make a backport |
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| 07:01.06 | nsadmin | krish, if you have the bandwidth and can stand how upgrading everything can change a little (or a lot) of everything |
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| 07:01.20 | nsadmin | you could go for it now |
| 07:01.30 | nsadmin | got lotsa space in /var? |
| 07:01.32 | krish | nsadmin: nope.. production server |
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| 07:02.02 | nsadmin | good point. why upgrade anything on a production server before you test it on a staging server? |
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| 07:02.18 | chelz | echo "ping google.com" | at NOW seems to work fine |
| 07:02.48 | nsadmin | chelz, probably screen will refuse to work if stdin/stdout is not a terminal |
| 07:02.51 | krish | nsadmin: +1. have tons of things to check before upgrade on staging. so for now trying to build the lib for lenny on staging |
| 07:03.05 | chelz | nsadmin: yeah, i'm thinking something like that with screen having some issue |
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| 07:03.35 | nsadmin | it's not an issue.... screen should not run on a non-terminal |
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| 07:04.33 | nsadmin | fact is, a terminal is part of how screen works |
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| 07:06.07 | chelz | nsadmin: turns out it needs "screen -dm" |
| 07:06.18 | chelz | nsadmin: checks a $TTY var, says the manpage |
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| 07:08.12 | manganese | If you're going to start screen in detached mode, do your self a favour and give it a meaningful name |
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| 07:08.40 | manganese | eg, screen -S my-meaningful-name -d -m |
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| 07:08.45 | userisdum | nsadmin: sysfs, duh. |
| 07:09.20 | userisdum | oh wait.. that's how i could look for docs >.< |
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| 07:11.12 | nsadmin | you're welcome. |
| 07:11.23 | zane | ummmmm...; |
| 07:11.37 | zane | well i figured out how to boot an iso from the hdd |
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| 08:04.19 | mehrdad | how to run LAMP in debian? |
| 08:05.33 | gusnan | mehrdad, http://wiki.debian.org/LaMp |
| 08:05.36 | flypp | mehrdad, su -c "tasksel" |
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| 08:06.02 | flypp | just mark "LAMP Server" and proceed |
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| 08:18.02 | hurdos | Hello |
| 08:18.07 | flamoot | have super high iron and a better deal by being a jerk to you.. ill do my normalweirdess later to me plus im 40.. |
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| 08:25.06 | krish | hey guys, i compile libgsasl7 and libgsasl7-dev |
| 08:25.19 | krish | so i do gsasl -V turns up ok (after linking on ld.so.conf) |
| 08:25.30 | krish | how'd I check if the -dev has installed properly? |
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| 08:29.21 | simonlnu | you'd be looking for *.h in include/ dirs that come from the source |
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| 08:30.25 | mmm4m5m | hi all. I have headless debian wheezy (an device) with eth0 and wlan0 - both get IP from the same dhcp server (both are in the same network). Now when network cable is attached - ssh works. But when I detach network cable, I am not able to connect using wireless IP address. Looks like my expectations (and understanding) is wrong. Maybe the most simple solution is ifplugd (or netplug - similar to laptop setup)?? Any hints will be appr |
| 08:32.16 | simonlnu | is getting a route from the dhcpd? |
| 08:32.42 | gnarface | mmm4m5m: do you have the same gateway being assigned to both devices? |
| 08:33.14 | mmm4m5m | simonlnu: I did never setup server... not sure what route it is getting from dhcp/router (openwrt) |
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| 08:35.08 | mmm4m5m | gnarface: right now, wireless is using dhcp, eth0 is using static IP settings - I think, it is the same gateway |
| 08:35.46 | gnarface | mmm4m5m: did you ifdown eth0 or did you just literally unplug the cable? |
| 08:36.00 | mmm4m5m | if network cable is plugged in - I can ssh using wireless IP address. If I unplug the cable, it does not work - I imagine, device is trying to "reply" using eth0 interface |
| 08:36.23 | gnarface | mmm4m5m: you're supposed to shut the interface off after you unplug it. its not a mac |
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| 08:37.07 | mmm4m5m | gnarface: I did nothing - both interfaces are setup and linux think, both interfaces are working. I just realize this is a problem. So I am looking for solution - ifplugd or maybe there is better/different way? |
| 08:37.18 | flypp | you're saying that ssh doesn't work using wireless addess. Check /etc/ssh/sshd_config "ListenAddress" line. If line is comented, service will listen all interfaces |
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| 08:38.15 | gnarface | mmm4m5m: well i would just use ifdown eth0 myself, but there is probably some non-stock daemon you can run to do hotplug type behavior... it might be hardware dependant though. i don't think all ethernet cards can do that |
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| 08:38.40 | mmm4m5m | I was thinking, to start two separate sshd, each bind to different interface... Not sure it will work, because this is problem with routing maybe (and I know little about that) |
| 08:38.45 | flypp | check the connectivity to the wlan ip address -> ping -c4 <wlan_ip_address> |
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| 08:39.23 | gnarface | mmm4m5m: sshd should bind to all addresses by default, and the config syntax allows you to bind to (multiple) specific interfaces |
| 08:39.49 | krish | simonlnu: i dont think i have any.. so the question is I have libgsasl source .. how'd i install libgsasl-dev from it? |
| 08:40.04 | krish | some config options I should work out |
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| 08:40.55 | simonlnu | krish: from source, you always install header files. they'll be under whatever prefix you set |
| 08:41.08 | simonlnu | well, almost always. depends on the type of source |
| 08:41.14 | mmm4m5m | flypp: ping to wireless IP address works if network cable is plugged in :) ... |
| 08:41.14 | mmm4m5m | gnarface: thanks! I need daemon for this to help, (because it is headless and hard to do it manually... or to see what is wrong when connection does not work) |
| 08:41.46 | krish | simonlnu: so i didnt set a prefix.. seem to have gone under /usr/local/lib - |
| 08:41.47 | krish | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:41.47 | krish | libgsasl.a libgsasl.la libgsasl.so libgsasl.so.7 libgsasl.so.7.7.6pkgconfig python2.5 |
| 08:41.59 | simonlnu | include/ dir |
| 08:42.03 | krish | not sure if that means I have header files |
| 08:42.11 | simonlnu | /usr/local/include |
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| 08:42.27 | krish | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:42.27 | krish | gsasl-compat.hgsasl.h gsasl-mech.h |
| 08:42.39 | simonlnu | yes |
| 08:42.42 | krish | wokay so i do have? |
| 08:42.55 | krish | there should be a binary call that says i do have |
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| 08:43.00 | krish | like gsasl -V |
| 08:43.13 | krish | which should say you have or dont have dev package |
| 08:43.14 | krish | sigh |
| 08:43.16 | krish | i wihs |
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| 08:43.17 | krish | wish |
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| 08:43.55 | simonlnu | krish: you have no package. you installed from source. |
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| 08:44.15 | simonlnu | (i don't know why when there's a perfectly good one available) |
| 08:45.21 | gnarface | simonlnu: i blame generic tutorials |
| 08:45.55 | gnarface | not enough of them mention "only if your distro doesn't already have packages for all this stuff" |
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| 08:56.01 | hyppias | in ps aux I see apache started 5 times. is that normal? |
| 08:56.21 | manganese | hyppias: Yes. |
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| 08:56.45 | manganese | Helpful manganese is helpful. |
| 08:57.13 | gnarface | hah |
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| 09:13.12 | eQuiNoX__ | hey guys i was just reading http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=622794 and there is a reference to "debian-devel@l.d.o" - uh, could someone tell me which mailing list is being referred to here? thanks! |
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| 09:14.05 | qknight-- | hi. i need to ask again. how to prevent a service start issued by dpkg-reconfigure -a? |
| 09:14.22 | jelly-home | qknight--: which service? |
| 09:14.44 | qknight-- | jelly-home: any service which gets reconfigured (which has not been reconfigured) for example cntlm |
| 09:14.57 | jelly-home | qknight--: some have a /etc/default/packagename config file |
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| 09:15.07 | qknight-- | jelly-home: the problem is that these services then block /mnt/mychrootmount/dev from being unmountable |
| 09:15.12 | jelly-home | ,info cntlm |
| 09:15.24 | judd | Package cntlm (net, optional) in squeeze/i386: Fast NTLM authentication proxy with tunneling. Version: 0.35.1-5; Size: 56.1k; Installed: 196k; Homepage: http://cntlm.sourceforge.net/ |
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| 09:16.37 | jelly-home | qknight--: no idea, apart from putting an "exit 0" in the init script. But if you don't need them in the chroot, why not just uninstall. |
| 09:16.43 | qknight-- | jelly-home: i guess it is NOT a bug or problem related to cntlm in particular, it happens for a lot of services (as postinst is run after configuration) but i don't have a list right now |
| 09:17.12 | qknight-- | jelly-home: i need them to reconfigure in the chroot as the multistrap installation is done that way i think |
| 09:17.26 | jelly-home | qknight--: in fact, it's all the services that have a reasonable defualt config. The assumption is if you installed it, you want to run it |
| 09:17.57 | qknight-- | jelly-home: but not in a chroot |
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| 09:18.09 | Kernel_Core | hi all |
| 09:18.14 | Kernel_Core | is it possible to create 3 diffrenet rule classes like "Base , Group ,Host Specific " and then iptables first load the Base and Then Group and Then Host ? |
| 09:18.20 | qknight-- | jelly-home: thanks for your support |
| 09:18.41 | jelly-home | qknight--: also. zless /usr/share/doc/sysv-rc/README.policy-rc.d.gz |
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| 09:24.30 | hyppias | I get al lot or messages in the apache2 error.log about python being version 2.6.6 and expectiong 2.6.5. Do I upgrade the apache module or do I upgrade the entire puthon to some version 3? |
| 09:25.00 | hyppias | or get rid of the apache python module alltogether? |
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| 09:27.14 | jelly-home | hyppias: if you don't need it... |
| 09:28.08 | hyppias | don't think so... so.... ok |
| 09:28.11 | jelly-home | hyppias: a2dismod is your friend. |
| 09:28.27 | jelly-home | !tell hyppias about apache2 manual |
| 09:28.43 | jelly-home | read that README.Debian.gz file |
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| 09:31.11 | sephii | does anyone know if there's a way to get the size (in lines and columns) of an rxvt window? |
| 09:31.45 | gnarface | sephii: my window manager reports that information onscreen whenever i'm resizing it |
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| 09:33.42 | jelly-home | gnarface: but where does it get it from |
| 09:33.53 | nkuttler | sephii: $LINES $COLUMNS ? |
| 09:33.54 | gnarface | jelly-home: i dunno. its magic |
| 09:33.58 | sephii | gnarface: I'm using a tiling wm which doesn't do it (awesome) |
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| 09:34.38 | jelly-home | sephii: does `stty -a` show incorrect numbers? |
| 09:34.55 | sephii | nkuttler: awesome you made my day |
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| 09:36.09 | fabio | how to configure peap auth on wired ethernet? |
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| 09:39.32 | jelly-home | I suppose you'll have to use wpa_supplicant on the wired interface |
| 09:39.58 | Almtesh | Hi! |
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| 09:40.17 | Almtesh | Anyone know how to open and rename a now tab in yakuake? |
| 09:40.31 | Almtesh | *konws *new |
| 09:40.44 | Almtesh | Excuse my french. |
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| 09:43.17 | Almtesh | I can't find the right option in manual. |
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| 09:53.07 | Chris___ | I've got a buddy of mine who asked me to host his site. He's making it on his laptop with iWeb. I don't want to give him SSH, but I can't think of any other way to let him upload his .html files to his web root. Any thoughts? |
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| 09:54.17 | BenNZ | Chris___: ftp ? |
| 09:55.06 | Chris___ | I'd rather SSH than FTP |
| 09:55.36 | petern__ | sftp |
| 09:55.41 | petern__ | disable the shell |
| 09:55.52 | Chris___ | I guess what I'm really hoping for is some kind of web root administration .php framework or something where he can login, and upload his page(s), without me having to actually give him a shell? |
| 09:56.03 | Chris___ | oh |
| 09:56.12 | petern__ | http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/590 |
| 09:56.14 | Chris___ | sftp with disabled shell? did not know that was possible |
| 09:56.15 | petern__ | sftp with chroot |
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| 09:56.27 | Chris___ | ^D'ed |
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| 09:56.30 | Chris___ | thanks petern__! :D |
| 09:57.06 | disaster123 | hi guys is there a way to make a Pre-Depends optional in a control file? I mean it HAS a pre-depends (in version number) if the pre depending package is installed |
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| 09:58.17 | petern__ | i hope he reads that page properly :) |
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| 10:13.05 | sephii | petern__: you could also have pointed him to rssh |
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| 10:13.32 | grandmoun | hello! |
| 10:13.52 | grandmoun | do someone use rsyslog? |
| 10:14.32 | grandmoun | I'm searching for information about this function ActionForwardDefaultTemplate? |
| 10:14.54 | grandmoun | i've got 3 machin. |
| 10:15.30 | grandmoun | machin1 rsyslog client, machin 2 rsyslog server and client, machin 3 rsyslog server |
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| 10:16.20 | grandmoun | i would like to configure rsyslog to forward syslog from machin 1, pass through machin 2 to machin 3 |
| 10:18.06 | colo-work | what would be the reason for such a setup? |
| 10:18.19 | colo-work | I mean, why route your data that way on layer 7? |
| 10:19.38 | grandmoun | Hi colo-work |
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| 10:20.03 | grandmoun | I've got a machin 2 is a firewall |
| 10:20.19 | grandmoun | ... should be a firewall |
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| 10:20.54 | grandmoun | and the syslog server ( machin 3 ) is not on the same network of machin 1. |
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| 10:21.32 | ChrisH | grandmoun: configure Machine1 to forward the syslog events to Machine 3 and have the IP routing through System 2 and allow the Firewall to pass the Packets. |
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| 10:25.04 | grandmoun | i will test this configuration |
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| 10:25.38 | samba35 | what is "true" way to configure FQDN |
| 10:26.11 | grandmoun | hi samba35: /etc/hosts |
| 10:26.41 | ChrisH | samba35: setup DNS |
| 10:26.48 | ChrisH | define true |
| 10:26.50 | samba35 | do i have to replace localhost 127.0.0.1 ? |
| 10:27.09 | samba35 | i have many version of configure FQDN |
| 10:27.48 | grandmoun | do simply add in /etc/hosts line 127.0.0.1 the FQDN of your hosts |
| 10:28.29 | grandmoun | example: 127.0.0.1 localhost myhost myhost.mydomain.com |
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| 10:29.21 | grandmoun | then you can test by pinging the hostname or the FQDN |
| 10:29.47 | ChrisH | samba35, what do you want to achieve? |
| 10:29.51 | grandmoun | example ping myhost will return 127.0.0.1 or ping myhost.mydomain.com |
| 10:30.35 | samba35 | if i have mail server and web server on same machine 192.168.1.10 ,do i have to use privite ip or public ip for |
| 10:30.54 | samba35 | i am trying to fix my web server |
| 10:31.00 | grandmoun | put it on a DMZ!! |
| 10:31.07 | samba35 | yes its on dmz |
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| 10:31.58 | samba35 | i want to host webserver with my domain |
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| 10:33.37 | grandmoun | you should setup the FQDN to the server IP address not on the loopback address |
| 10:33.57 | ChrisH | would first setup local DNS if mail is involved |
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| 10:34.46 | grandmoun | the mail and web service will only listen on the loopback interface if you use the 127.0.0.1 interface |
| 10:35.09 | samba35 | ok |
| 10:35.22 | grandmoun | and route mail and web traffic to your public address to the IP of the server on the DMZ |
| 10:35.26 | samba35 | i have setup a blog when i use www.abcd.com it work when i run www.abcd.com/blog then it show localhost in address bar |
| 10:35.50 | samba35 | in host do i have to setup public ip ? |
| 10:38.09 | grandmoun | it's really difficult to describe because it depends on your configuration |
| 10:38.54 | samba35 | ic |
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| 10:40.19 | grandmoun | i often see 1 public ip where your web site is routed: example: 137.200.200.200 = www.mywebsite.com and 137.200.200.200 = mail.mywebsite.com |
| 10:40.37 | grandmoun | this is configured on the service provider |
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| 10:44.06 | Phoebus | Debian version '6.0.4': -bash: deb: command not found |
| 10:44.06 | Phoebus | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:44.17 | NishaKitty | does anyone know how to stop pppd showing junk? |
| 10:44.33 | NishaKitty | it seems related to my /etc/ppp/peers/wvdial file but I have no clue why |
| 10:45.13 | manganese | "Showing junk"? |
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| 10:45.55 | NishaKitty | manganese: http://polishlinux.org/linux/ubuntu/three-uk-3g-modem-in-ubuntu-linux/ |
| 10:45.59 | NishaKitty | scroll down to the bit where they connect |
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| 10:46.09 | NishaKitty | I get that when I do it on one of my debian machines |
| 10:46.11 | NishaKitty | but not the other |
| 10:46.18 | NishaKitty | even though the conf's for wvdial are exactly the same |
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| 10:46.36 | samba35 | ok |
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| 10:48.19 | manganese | NishaKitty: So you want to live life without seeing the chatter? "wvdial &>/dev/nulll" will probably do it for you |
| 10:48.34 | manganese | NishaKitty: Assuming I've understood you corectly |
| 10:49.00 | NishaKitty | manganese: I don't get chatter on one install and I do on another |
| 10:49.07 | NishaKitty | i can't figure out why -.- |
| 10:50.02 | manganese | NishaKitty: I haven't used wvdial in a _very_ long time. I'm pretty sure I always saw chatter, so I don't know why you aren't seeing it on one system either. |
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| 10:50.37 | NishaKitty | ok ._. |
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| 10:58.15 | kallepersson | Hi! I am suspecting that sendmail is having trouble sending emails to the same domain that my webserver is on. The mail server itself is on another server. |
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| 11:00.22 | petemc | kallepersson: what do the logs say? |
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| 11:02.14 | kallepersson | petemc: Ah, "Sender address rejected: Domain not found" |
| 11:02.27 | kallepersson | I think I need to masquerade somehow. |
| 11:02.57 | hyppias | does being root override any and all file/dir permissions? |
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| 11:03.36 | clone_of_saturn | hyppias: the normal chmod-type permissions yes |
| 11:03.37 | Oniklus | hello all. can anyone provide me with a tomcat init.d script? it appears mine does not work with init start at boot |
| 11:03.49 | hyppias | clone: ok thnx |
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| 11:07.19 | djota | hi folks |
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| 11:08.22 | grandmoun | hi djota! |
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| 11:09.49 | wojtala | hello everyone. Could anyone help me with shm? It's not working, and because of that udev also fails to function properly. I'm using debian sid, but #debian-next is only available by invitation |
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| 11:17.47 | tremon | wojtala: what does "it's not working" mean? |
| 11:17.48 | engla | wojtala: the real debian-next is on oftc |
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| 11:19.47 | wojtala | tremo, it's not being mounted correctly, which should take place in initscripts I guess. Anyway, reconfiguring it doesn't help. There's a mount point to /run/shm, but directory shm doesn't exist. /dev/shm is linked to /run/shm as well |
| 11:20.44 | wojtala | so everytying is ok except for creating /run/shm I guess. I didn't modify any core configuration files |
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| 11:23.08 | tremon | wojtala: init.d/mountdevsusbfs should always create /run/shm before mounting, maybe add a set -x there to see why it's failing? |
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| 11:25.27 | wojtala | tremo, could you md5 your mountdevsusbfs to quick see if there are differences? |
| 11:25.50 | ChrisH | grep RAM /etc/default/rcS* # I have two of them and RAM only in one of them. Second Idea: check the mountdevsusbfs script and |
| 11:25.58 | tremon | no, I have local modifications, that won't help you |
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| 11:27.32 | wojtala | ChrisH, http://paste.debian.net/155690/ |
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| 11:28.29 | ChrisH | check the mountdevsusbfs on what RAMRUN And RAMLOCK do. I just send my Laptop to sleep. |
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| 11:29.32 | fattom | !lista |
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| 11:31.24 | wojtala | hmm, I just ran mountdevsusbfs manually from working system and the directory was created |
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| 11:33.24 | fattom | ciao |
| 11:33.30 | fattom | a tutti |
| 11:33.36 | fattom | !list |
| 11:33.37 | dpkg | VATTENE VIA! |
| 11:34.02 | fattom | ok ciao |
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| 11:34.17 | ChrisH | wojtala, does the script get executed during system startup? |
| 11:34.44 | tabakhase | im having a disk that shows up in fdisk -l |
| 11:34.55 | tabakhase | but i cant get the UUID for mounting the device, |
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| 11:35.35 | tabakhase | (blkid only shows sda* but i need the one of sdb1 that i already formatete as ext3 |
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| 11:38.18 | wojtala | I don't know. How can I enable this to be sure? I know that through update-rc.d, but which arguments? |
| 11:38.37 | wojtala | defaults will do the thing? |
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| 11:47.34 | wojtala | ChrisH, themon, thanks for help. going to reboot to check if it helped |
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| 11:55.13 | Iridos | tabakhase, so what does blkid /dev/sdb1 give you as a result? |
| 11:55.54 | tabakhase | Iridos rebuilding the ext3 solved |
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| 11:59.11 | oops | On Wheezy with GNOME3, I see update-notifier in the bottom right corner. How do I get rid of it? |
| 11:59.46 | wojtala | back again. it worked - script did run, I put a echo next to command which creates /run/shm, but yet after full start /run/shm doesn't exist |
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| 12:00.36 | Iridos | oops, see topic in regard of wheezy... also.. in its preferences? |
| 12:01.13 | wojtala | ChrisH, do you have any other ideas? Somehow it's deleting this directory or sth |
| 12:01.57 | Iridos | wojtala, #debian-next is on oftc, not here |
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| 12:04.18 | wojtala | Iridos, I think this is problem which can be on any version, not only sid |
| 12:04.45 | kate123_ | hello how can i enable the UART1 interface for the beaglebone?i'm using debian squeeze i add S:2345:respawn:/sbin/getty 115200 ttyO2 in the /etc/inittab but nothing happend |
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| 12:07.13 | Iridos | wojtala, squeeze has been unchanged for a year now... if the same problem did occur in squeeze, you'd surely find a bug report on it |
| 12:07.19 | Iridos | you did check for bug reports, didn't you? |
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| 12:07.43 | Iridos | although from your description I'm not sure against what package that would be |
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| 12:15.23 | mmm4m5m | gnarface: just some info (maybe useful): "...there is host based model of IPV4 address and interface based model - both addressing models are described by an RFCs and are completely valid..."... The "mess" is visible with arp and arping... Maybe both interfaces can work separately: (second answer about arp_ignore and arp_announce): http://serverfault.com/questions/22253/ubuntu-linux-multiple-nics-same-lan-arp-responses-always-go-out |
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| 12:19.05 | djota | i was wondering how to set system wide proxy settings for all users (mainly for iceweasel use) |
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| 12:21.05 | amphi | iptables redirection? |
| 12:22.06 | djota | amphi: thats a workaround. there must be an official option imo |
| 12:22.51 | Iridos | set http_proxy for all users |
| 12:23.02 | Iridos | the environment variable |
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| 12:23.05 | amphi | they can unset that |
| 12:23.12 | djota | indeed |
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| 12:23.25 | amphi | thus iptables |
| 12:23.35 | Iridos | he said "set system wide", not "prevent users from not using it" |
| 12:23.44 | amphi | I can speak to its 'officialness' though |
| 12:23.58 | amphi | er, can't |
| 12:24.22 | djota | thats correct Iridos, anyway preventing users from bypassing it is also kinda nice to have |
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| 12:24.32 | mekeor | i know, you recently said that it's not possible to downgrade (from unstable to testing) (easily)... but what about the following blog-post which uses "Debian's pinning mechanism is illustrated to achieve the downgrade" ? http://www.leune.org/blog/kees/2005/05/downgrading-debian-gnulinux-fr.html |
| 12:24.37 | Iridos | it wasn't your question, though :) |
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| 12:25.21 | djota | heh |
| 12:25.40 | mekeor | i'm also aware of the date of the blog-pos but i dont see any reason(s) for it to not work |
| 12:25.45 | Iridos | mekeor, what about it |
| 12:25.53 | tremon | mekeor: barring major transitions (and release freeze), leaving your computer switched off for 10 days is also a downgrade from sid->testing |
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| 12:26.24 | mekeor | Iridos: i wanna downgrade from unstable->testing, and i wanna know whether the strategy described in the blog-post should work. |
| 12:26.26 | Iridos | mekeor, the criticism is more fundamental... packages provide means to upgrade the configuration of packaged software, but not to downgrade it |
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| 12:27.15 | KettleCooked | When I log into my Debian box (Squeeze, installed october last year), it says I have new mail. I type 'mail' and it says I have ~6000 unread mails from (or to?) Cron. When I check crontab -e there's no assigned cronjobs that would send email. Any hint on how to make it stop? |
| 12:27.16 | Iridos | or if they don't, usually the packaged software itself provides such mechanisms |
| 12:27.40 | kate123_ | hello how can i enable the UART1 interface for the beaglebone?i'm using debian squeeze i add S:2345:respawn:/sbin/getty 115200 ttyO2 in the /etc/inittab but nothing happend |
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| 12:28.03 | Iridos | KettleCooked, the first step would probably to read some of the 6000 email messages to figure out what the problem is :) |
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| 12:28.53 | Joelio | Hi, I'm getting issues with the Wheezy installs this morning for netinstalls - het the install partially loaded and then it bombs out saying can't load lvm-mod. This has been working fine, no changes at our end |
| 12:29.25 | Iridos | mekeor, try it and see... if dependencies can be resolved, you will get the package versions that are in testing |
| 12:29.29 | tremon | mekeor: yes, it will work, and yes, it will eat your babies. Just set APT::DefaultRelease to wheezy or testing and let the transition happen naturally |
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| 12:29.40 | KettleCooked | Iridos: Cool. I've never read mail via command line before, I used "more X" and opened a few. They all say: PHP Warning: Module 'mcrypt' already loaded in Unknown on line 0. Every 30 minute I get this mail.. must be some Apache setting, what do you think? |
| 12:30.03 | mekeor | tremon: "eat your babies" ? |
| 12:30.25 | Iridos | mekeor, perhaps only half |
| 12:30.33 | triple5 | hi, I have trouble getting out of my intranet. They have configured all traffic to go through a proxy and I have to set up firefox to use this proxy, this works fine, but I want to create a script that leads all traffic from my laptop to this proxy whenever I use this network. |
| 12:30.38 | Iridos | KettleCooked, heh, every 30 minutes?! |
| 12:30.52 | tremon | mekeor: there's no telling what will break and what will survive the downgrade |
| 12:30.53 | triple5 | proxy is 10.10.6.11<<< port 8080 |
| 12:30.56 | Iridos | neat |
| 12:31.42 | triple5 | I exported http_proxy=http://10.10.6.11:8080 which works for my apt |
| 12:31.48 | Iridos | KettleCooked, whose crontab did you check? You looked at crontab -e as root, right? |
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| 12:32.21 | triple5 | now I would love to do this automatically whenever I am here using some shell script, and not needing to use the settings in firefox. |
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| 12:32.53 | Iridos | KettleCooked, there's more cron jobs in /etc/cron.{daily,weekly,monthly} and in /etc/cron.d the latter being the most likely suspect |
| 12:32.57 | triple5 | an not for xchat or another chat program etc. |
| 12:33.30 | Iridos | KettleCooked, try find /etc/cron* -type f -exec grep -il mcrypt '{}' + |
| 12:33.39 | triple5 | right now I have to use qwebirc |
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| 12:33.42 | Iridos | KettleCooked, substitute mcrypt with php if that gives you no result |
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| 12:34.07 | Iridos | KettleCooked, I suspect /etc/cron.d/php5 |
| 12:34.10 | triple5 | can I export that proxy for the whole system? |
| 12:34.22 | Iridos | KettleCooked, which indeed runs twice an hour |
| 12:34.26 | Iridos | for whatever reasons |
| 12:34.30 | triple5 | or would this only work for the ports that the proxy lets through? |
| 12:34.31 | djota | unfortunately, /etc/environment doesn't work for iceweasel. any idea, why? |
| 12:35.44 | Iridos | KettleCooked, the trick is not to stop the cron-job, though, but to make the script stop to spew the error |
| 12:35.56 | Iridos | s/error/warning/ |
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| 12:38.15 | quebre | how do i install java plugin for firefox in debian ? |
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| 12:40.42 | elbing | quebre: icedtea |
| 12:41.01 | quebre | what ? |
| 12:41.33 | quebre | yes i like ice tea |
| 12:41.40 | quebre | but i need the java plugin |
| 12:41.42 | quebre | ;p |
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| 12:42.05 | allorder | quebre: http://wiki.debian.org/Java |
| 12:42.20 | quebre | let me check |
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| 12:43.15 | quebre | ok so which package i install to have java in firefox |
| 12:43.16 | quebre | ? |
| 12:44.19 | allorder | openjdk-6-jre +icedtea6-plugin |
| 12:44.59 | quebre | Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "+icedtea6-plugin" |
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| 12:45.24 | Iridos | dpkg, java plugin |
| 12:45.24 | dpkg | For the Java web browser plugin, install either the free icedtea6-plugin (Squeeze) package or the <non-free> sun-java6-plugin package. For other Java programs, you can install the default-jre package to get a Java runtime; use "apt-cache search java-virtual-machine" to see other implementations. The best options are probably openjdk-6-jre or sun-java6-jre (non-free). See also <java alternatives>. |
| 12:45.35 | allorder | icedtea6-plugin |
| 12:45.57 | quebre | ok installed |
| 12:46.00 | quebre | so now i restart firefox |
| 12:46.36 | quebre | i then enter here: http://javatester.org/version.html |
| 12:46.37 | quebre | and it says |
| 12:46.48 | quebre | Browser has java disabled. |
| 12:46.49 | quebre | ;P |
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| 12:48.20 | KettleCooked | Iridos: I was away for a bit, came back, reading your advice now, and you seemed to be right on the money! Opened the /etc/cron.d/php5 file and voila, there's an entry with comment: # Look for and purge old sessions every 30 minutes |
| 12:48.53 | allorder | you installed openjdk-6-jre and icedtea6-plugin ? |
| 12:49.12 | quebre | yes |
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| 12:49.47 | djota | Iridos: any idea about my iceweasel question? |
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| 12:50.06 | elbing | quebre: ln -s /etc/alternatives/mozilla-javaplugin.so ~/.mozilla/plugins/ |
| 12:50.36 | quebre | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 64 Feb 9 13:45 /etc/alternatives/mozilla-javaplugin.so -> /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-openjdk-amd64/jre/lib/amd64/IcedTeaPlugin.so |
| 12:50.40 | minsa | I am reading an rfc and want clarification on a few sentences, which channel is a good place to ask ? |
| 12:50.40 | quebre | i have this there for now |
| 12:50.46 | quebre | let me try |
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| 12:53.38 | KettleCooked | Iridos: Found the issue now, both php.ini and an mcrypt.ini was activating the mcrypt extension |
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| 12:54.28 | hyppias | where in aptitude can I find wordpress? |
| 12:55.24 | allorder | aptitude show wordpress |
| 12:55.36 | hyppias | ok |
| 12:55.56 | minsa | quebre, are you saying you want to try the sentence from rfc ? |
| 12:56.02 | djota | im wondering how to get firefox on debian (instead of good old outdated iceweasel). any ideas? |
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| 12:56.15 | quebre | minsa: what sentence ? |
| 12:56.22 | minsa | nevermind. |
| 12:56.27 | quebre | ;D |
| 12:56.29 | KettleCooked | I know how to turn into root, by typing 'su', but how do I 'come back' to the normal user I just was? |
| 12:56.32 | elbing | djota: download it from its site |
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| 12:56.44 | djota | elbing: there is no apt-way? |
| 12:57.12 | elbing | KettleCooked: ctrl + D or type exit. Look for a unix manual |
| 12:57.36 | elbing | djota: not, licensing conflicts |
| 12:58.01 | KettleCooked | Any tips on a good unix/linux tutorial? I feel I need to learn more about how processes/PIDs work as well |
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| 12:58.34 | allorder | djota: to get the last iceweasel 10.0 http://mozilla.debian.net/ |
| 12:59.00 | elbing | KettleCooked: http://www.amazon.com/Unix-Programming-Environment-Prentice-Hall-Software/dp/013937681X |
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| 12:59.29 | manganese | KettleCooked: Ask dpkg about grounding |
| 12:59.40 | dr-evil | Hi all, anyone have expirience with IPSEC ? |
| 12:59.51 | dr-evil | I have strange problem :( |
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| 12:59.58 | quebre | oh yeah |
| 12:59.59 | quebre | now it works |
| 13:00.13 | djota | elbing: ah i see. allorder thanks |
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| 13:00.56 | djota | allorder: what's the diff between beta and aurora? |
| 13:01.02 | tremon | KettleCooked: check http://www.tldp.org/guides.html |
| 13:01.09 | allorder | djota: dunno, use release. |
| 13:01.14 | KettleCooked | thanks elbing, manganese, tremon! |
| 13:01.25 | djota | allorder: k thanks |
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| 13:04.59 | quebre | thanks for help guys |
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| 13:07.21 | djota | grr, system proxy settings are still not working. any other ideas on how to set system wide proxy settings on a squeeze box? |
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| 13:09.35 | elbing | djota: what program are you trying to use? apt? |
| 13:09.40 | Iridos | I told you one! |
| 13:09.54 | djota | Iridos: yours doesn't work, as i mention a few pages ago |
| 13:10.02 | djota | elbing: iceweasel for example |
| 13:10.11 | Iridos | if you want to _force_ people you have to set up a transparent proxy on the router |
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| 13:10.38 | djota | Iridos: the force option is more an extra. im trying to set it up to work at least for the moment |
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| 13:10.51 | djota | iceweasel doesn't seem to use the shell environment settings |
| 13:10.55 | elbing | put proxy settings in iceweasel settings |
| 13:11.08 | djota | elbing: i want it for other users too, not only for me |
| 13:11.12 | Iridos | djota, didn't see when you said that... I'm not reading every single line someone says in here :) (also didn't see the highlight, actually) |
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| 13:11.56 | djota | i didnt hilite you, im sorry. my fault :) |
| 13:12.09 | Iridos | djota, hmm, I actually stopped using iceweasel and started using chromium with squeeze... which not only honors it, but also changes it via some gnome thing for all other shells |
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| 13:12.33 | djota | i dont understand your second sentence.. |
| 13:12.35 | elbing | yes, chrome or epiphany (webkit) use shell/system proxy settings |
| 13:12.55 | Iridos | djota, changing proxy from within chromium changed the proxy-settings session-wide |
| 13:13.10 | djota | so you are telling me i should drop iceweasel and get epiphany back on the system? |
| 13:13.25 | djota | epiphany is the same as chromium? |
| 13:13.39 | elbing | I think it only use webkit as chromium |
| 13:13.43 | Iridos | what's epiphany |
| 13:13.58 | djota | the standard browser which comes with debian and gnome |
| 13:14.07 | Iridos | djota, no... not telling you anything... just saying I don't know iceweasel honored it |
| 13:14.18 | djota | ah k |
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| 13:14.25 | Iridos | djota, chromium is googles chrome without the google-trademark |
| 13:14.31 | djota | oooh |
| 13:14.34 | djota | i see |
| 13:14.57 | Iridos | but I thought pretty much all programs honor http_proxy |
| 13:14.59 | Iridos | let me try |
| 13:15.08 | Iridos | mh |
| 13:15.14 | djota | well, iceweasel doesnt seem to |
| 13:15.19 | Iridos | how does one put a socks proxy in http_proxy |
| 13:15.20 | djota | not even that 10.0 version |
| 13:15.34 | djota | im not sure about that, i dont use socks |
| 13:15.48 | djota | i walk barefoot :) |
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| 13:16.00 | Iridos | only discovered how easy that is to use with an ssh tunnel recently as well |
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| 13:17.01 | stefunz | hi. how can i disable auth.log ? |
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| 13:17.34 | djota | stefunz: why would you that? |
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| 13:17.58 | stefunz | i don't want any logging on my test system for testing purposes |
| 13:18.25 | djota | i hope it's your own system you are talking about :) |
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| 13:18.33 | stefunz | yep, sure thing ;) |
| 13:19.31 | Iridos | djota, you're right.... seems it ignores it... there's an extension to make it honor it /o\ https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/environment-proxy/ |
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| 13:20.06 | ksuhku | does libre.fm work in debian stable? |
| 13:20.34 | ksuhku | i mean the streaming part |
| 13:22.22 | djota | funny enough Iridos , chromium opens the gnome-network-preferences screen from it's options. which ofcourse sets the proxy for me, but not for other users |
| 13:23.01 | Iridos | djota, right... and I didn't notice the switch and was astonished that suddenly all applications used the proxy (which I hadn't planned them to) |
| 13:23.33 | Iridos | djota, so apologies, I thought firefox had caught up... I wonder, perhaps you can additionally, just for IW put a preference line in /etc/iceweasel/pref/iceweasel.js |
| 13:23.36 | djota | Iridos: unfortunately, that plugin doesn't do shit |
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| 13:24.13 | Iridos | the next thing would be to modify users prefs.js, which is Not A Good Thing |
| 13:25.14 | djota | Iridos: which actually comes to one conclusion: debian dev failed to correctly develop that part? |
| 13:25.17 | overflow_0f8b | gcc does not evaluate my 3x3 multiply 3x3 matrix by 3x3 matrix macro at compile time :( |
| 13:26.18 | overflow_0f8b | ( it does with 2x2 matrix rotation ) ;>> |
| 13:26.44 | Iridos | djota, doubtful... maintainers just/mainly package software, they don't program major feature changes (you might consider it a bug fix,but who can tell how easy/hard that is to do) |
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| 13:27.48 | Iridos | djota, do you know if gnome-network-preferences does additional things to setting http_proxy? |
| 13:27.48 | fredrico | Hi, is it possible to import a file containing variables into /etc/network/interfaces ? |
| 13:28.29 | Iridos | fredrico, you can call all kinds of scripts with pre-up post-up etc and they of course can contain variables |
| 13:28.50 | Iridos | I don't see room for variables for the syntax of the interfaces file itself |
| 13:29.19 | djota | Iridos: it doesn't. echo $http_proxy has nothing set |
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| 13:29.34 | fredrico | I mean I want to import a file that contians network setup information and then make debian use that |
| 13:29.57 | fredrico | when it brings up the network interfaces |
| 13:29.58 | Iridos | djota, gnome-network-manager sets http_proxy... but of course not for shells/terminals that are alreay open, that would be impossible |
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| 13:30.33 | djota | Iridos: it doesnt set the http_proxy variable at all. you can try it |
| 13:30.48 | Iridos | I did and it did... but I can see again |
| 13:31.06 | Iridos | gnome-network-properties* |
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| 13:31.32 | djota | ok, let me try again, brb |
| 13:31.34 | djota | q/uit |
| 13:31.37 | djota | oops :) |
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| 13:39.09 | lupo | !list |
| 13:39.09 | dpkg | VATTENE VIA! |
| 13:39.31 | lupo | si giusto vattene via |
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| 13:39.53 | ircuser777 | hi. when I get debian package from source. How I can disable some patch and not other ? |
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| 13:41.08 | tremon | ircuser777: edit debian/patches/series |
| 13:42.20 | Kamshak | I have a debian server 192.168.1.1 that serves as a router,dhcp and nameserver. A client connected to that network gets a valid ip and can also ping the router and using nslookup resolve addresses. i can however not ping using the hostnames but only using ip or it says host not found. if i use nslookup router.lan.slz.local it returns the right ip but if i do ping router.slz.local it says host not found |
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| 13:44.16 | ircuser777 | tremon: nice. thank |
| 13:44.25 | tabakhase | Kamshak is the router seeing the ping requests when using the hostname? (ngrep) |
| 13:44.39 | tabakhase | an tracert host VS tracert ip |
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| 13:45.50 | Kamshak | tabakhase: 1 sek ill try both |
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| 13:52.11 | nvictor | hi all |
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| 13:52.29 | nvictor | can anyone help with symbolic links? |
| 13:52.40 | Kamshak | tabakhase: can't test because i can't install traceroute on the client as it has no internet :/ |
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| 13:53.08 | gnarface | nvictor: you have to be more specific than that |
| 13:53.24 | nvictor | i used ln -s /var/lib/postgresql/9.1/main /mnt/postgresql/9.1/main but the result is a main subdir inside /mnt/postgresql/9.1/main |
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| 13:53.38 | nvictor | i am not sure what's going on |
| 13:53.49 | djota | Iridos: ok, i got clearance now |
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| 13:54.41 | gnarface | nvictor: its not a directory actually its a symlink. ls -l will show you what the symlink points to |
| 13:54.46 | physadair | Hi, the font on my skype login screen is too small? I tried to use qtconfig to change, but it failed. |
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| 13:55.00 | gnarface | nvictor: i think you probably meant to put those parameters in the other order |
| 13:55.11 | physadair | Could anyone know how to change the font size? |
| 13:55.27 | nvictor | gnarface: hmm i am confused |
| 13:55.37 | nvictor | the target is the first path? |
| 13:55.47 | nameless` | hello |
| 13:55.50 | gnarface | nvictor: yes, the man page for ln could have told you that |
| 13:55.51 | Kamshak | tabakhase: i used ngrep and the server doesn't see the ping request when using the host name, only when using the ip |
| 13:55.57 | djota | Iridos: iceweasel sucks balls. it does not use the system proxy settings at all. and actually setting gnome system proxy settings as root (in GNOME!), sets the http_proxy variable for all users. but iceweasel doesn't care about it. I downloaded the binary from getfirefox.com and that browser actually WORKS with system proxy settings. |
| 13:56.01 | gnarface | nvictor: its no mystery |
| 13:56.04 | nvictor | gnarface: ok |
| 13:56.21 | nvictor | gnarface: i already have /mnt/postgresql/9.1/main |
| 13:56.29 | nvictor | gnarface: would that be an issue |
| 13:56.37 | gnarface | nvictor: you might find it helpful to use ls --color -F |
| 13:56.42 | nameless` | how can i ignore the dnsserver provided by dhcp server and get sticks to the one i choose ? |
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| 13:56.54 | tabakhase | Kamshak that sounds realy werd... |
| 13:57.10 | nvictor | gnarface: no no, i mean what i'm trying to do in general |
| 13:57.24 | nvictor | something is telling me, it's not the thing to do |
| 13:57.31 | nvictor | i ran out of space |
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| 13:57.45 | nvictor | and copied all postgresql data to /mnt/postgresql/9.1/ |
| 13:58.06 | cthuluh | nvictor: better set data_directory in postgresql.conf |
| 13:58.26 | nvictor | ok :) |
| 13:58.29 | gnarface | nvictor: well you asked for help with symlinks, and i merely pointed out you had your order of your parameters wrong... i'm not gonna help you bork your postgres instal |
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| 13:58.35 | cthuluh | nvictor: did you ensure you stopped postgresql before copying? also, did you preserve the permissions? |
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| 13:58.51 | nvictor | cthuluh: i did |
| 13:58.56 | tabakhase | Kamshak technical that "cant happen", dose the "pinging Ip" line is correct when you ping the hostnme or dose the resolve fail= |
| 13:59.16 | cthuluh | nvictor: fine. and better learn how ln works ;) |
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| 14:02.02 | Kamshak | tabakhase: i can ping google but and it resolves just fine, when i do nslookup router.lan.slz.local it returns the right ip, when i do ping router.lan.slz.local it says unknown host router.lan.slz.local |
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| 14:03.48 | tabakhase | Kamshak whats the resolv.conf of the client? |
| 14:03.55 | gnarface | Kamping_Kaiser: fascinating i get the same response from ping |
| 14:04.01 | gnarface | Kamping_Kaiser: nevermind |
| 14:04.02 | tabakhase | note that unixdhcp dosnt care about DNS-DOMAIN |
| 14:04.21 | gnarface | Kamshak: fascinating i get the same response from ping for router.lan.slz.local |
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| 14:06.02 | Kamshak | tabakhase: domain lan.slz.local\n search lan.slz.local\n nameserver 192.168.1.1, seems to be alright, on the server the same thing happens, it can resolve itself just fine(using nslookup and dig) but can't ping itself using the hostname |
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| 14:06.44 | Kamshak | tabakhase: in the server's resolv.conf i have nameserver 127.0.0.1 |
| 14:07.24 | tabakhase | nslookup @192.168.1.1 router.lan.slz.local on the client says? |
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| 14:09.26 | Kamshak | tabakhase: that fails, couldn't get address for router.lan.slz.local |
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| 14:10.17 | tabakhase | so the client cant resolve the address, thats explaining why ping dosnt work hm? ;-) |
| 14:10.34 | tabakhase | btw: dig > nslookup |
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| 14:11.59 | Kamshak | tabakhase: hmm if i don't put the @192.168.1.1 it works, what could be the problem? |
| 14:12.22 | tabakhase | Kamshak the problem is nslookup it seems to work while it dosnt |
| 14:12.44 | tabakhase | nslookup wihout the @ tryes local& a shitload of caches inside of himself |
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| 14:13.55 | Kamshak | tabakhase: if i use dig @192.168.1.1 router.lan.slz.local it works |
| 14:14.30 | tabakhase | Kamshak http://packetpushers.net/why-you-should-dig-the-dig-command/ and dig without the @? |
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| 14:14.37 | gnarface | the syntax for nslookup would be: nslookup [hostname] [target dns server] |
| 14:14.47 | gnarface | there is no @ in the nslookukp syntax |
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| 14:15.25 | tabakhase | true story, its on dig only |
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| 14:16.37 | Kamshak | tabakhase: without the @ it works as well |
| 14:16.40 | jelly | dig > host > nslookup |
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| 14:18.43 | erore | I have a situation, have a windows xp installed and need to install debian (not over, to a separate partition). The problem, no usb is at my disposal and no cd. Any ideas? |
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| 14:19.14 | gnarface | goodbye-windows.com? |
| 14:19.22 | gnarface | oh wait |
| 14:19.26 | gnarface | no you wanted to keep windows |
| 14:19.27 | gnarface | hmm |
| 14:19.43 | gnarface | pretty tough, is the partition already created? |
| 14:20.09 | somiaj | erore: there are ways you can run an installer from windows or boot up off an .iso on your windows filesystem. |
| 14:20.17 | erore | no i can create it, that is not a problem |
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| 14:20.45 | Iridos | djota, hmm, it doesn't anymore for me... but I think I changed soemthing in configuration to achive that... I'm sure that it used to, as I was pretty astonished changing proxy settings in chromium and then suddenly seeing the proxy used with wget in a shell |
| 14:21.09 | gnarface | erore: if you can change partitions at will then theoretically you could make one of them a debian installer |
| 14:21.15 | Iridos | oh well, he's gorn again |
| 14:21.54 | gnarface | erore: someone certainly must have made a tool you can run from windows, although as for support that's a grey area |
| 14:22.05 | gnarface | erore: i'd advise making the partition first |
| 14:22.37 | somiaj | erore: http://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/i386/ch05s01.html.en#boot-win32 |
| 14:22.57 | somiaj | seems you can just get an iso mounter for windows and run a 'setup.exe' on cd1 iso to start the installer from windows |
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| 14:24.10 | Iridos | dpkg, setup.exe |
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| 14:24.11 | dpkg | setup.exe is a way of installing Debian Squeeze from Windows using <CD1>, just insert the CD/DVD and let it AutoRun; packages are acquired from this media if available. You can also use it from a USB install. See http://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/i386/ch05s01#boot-win32 for more details. See also <win32-loader>. |
| 14:24.16 | Iridos | ah, you already got there :) |
| 14:24.47 | erore | somiaj: I am reading, would be nice, I just fear what happens after the restart, the setup exe would have to copy all contents to the new parition |
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| 14:25.36 | Kamshak | tabakhase: if you do ping router it works, says 64 bytes from router.lan.slz.local, is it because of the search in resolv.conf that i can't use the full name? |
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| 14:26.01 | dysoco | Can I install Debian from a Live CD ? |
| 14:26.03 | engla | nothing about setup.exe indicates that it would work with an iso off the disk |
| 14:27.16 | Iridos | oh... no cd |
| 14:27.27 | Iridos | dpkg, rube goldberg install |
| 14:27.27 | dpkg | "Hi! I want to install Debian with a 2.6.x kernel on a machine, but I can't boot from floppies, and I can't boot from CD-ROM, and I have no network card. I have only a USB dot matrix printer and a punch card reader. Wait, the card reader just fell on the floor and broke." |
| 14:27.48 | SeasluG | rofl |
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| 14:28.31 | gnarface | can't you put it on a third partition and tell grub to boot from that? |
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| 14:28.44 | gnarface | then when the installer runs just make sure not to delete the windows partition? |
| 14:28.51 | gnarface | (or format it) |
| 14:28.53 | Iridos | if there's a free partition, goodbye-microsoft might put the installer on that |
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| 14:29.33 | Iridos | or you can probably do so yourself using the usb install image |
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| 14:30.46 | somiaj | erore: do you have a second computer you could put your harddrive into? |
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| 14:30.50 | Iridos | it's basically the same as in <usb install>... after all, when a usb stick/disk is connected, it's just another disk device |
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| 14:31.55 | Iridos | dysoco, seems so |
| 14:31.56 | nyk2005 | Why is the "google chrome" shortcut sometimes present in the gnome->applications->internet menu, but sometimes (after updates) not? |
| 14:32.11 | Iridos | dpkg, tell dysoco about debian-live |
| 14:32.13 | erore | somiaj: :-) no unfortunately, but I found |
| 14:32.13 | erore | http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/tools/win32-loader/stable/win32-loader.exe |
| 14:32.13 | erore | which should be a win32 loader on its own I am just going to give it a try if it can download packages. I really don't want to download a full cd. |
| 14:32.35 | dysoco | Iridos: Oh, I see, thank you ! |
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| 14:33.10 | somiaj | nyk2005: google-chrome isn't an offical debian package. Check the sources supplying you the google-chrome package |
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| 14:33.38 | nyk2005 | somiaj: ah, that's why! sorry.... |
| 14:33.52 | somiaj | you could use the chromium package |
| 14:34.08 | nyk2005 | somiaj: ....and Firefox is 100 times better anyway! :) |
| 14:34.21 | somiaj | use iceweasel, else that is still unoffical |
| 14:34.31 | jelly | erore: you don't want to download the 180MB netinst image? http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ |
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| 14:34.43 | nyk2005 | oh, yes, sorry, it's called iceweasel! I'm using it |
| 14:35.01 | Elwon | Hi I'm running Firefox 10.0 on squeeze (w/ lxde) (not looking for an Iceweasel debate) I have flashplugin-nonfree installed and have created a symlink to it in my plugins directory. But firefox says it's out of date. I've checked permissions, and i've removed my pluginreg.dat in my firefox profile. Running firefox in command line produces "Gtk-Message: Failed to load module "canberra-gtk-module": /usr/lib/gtk-2.0/modules/lib |
| 14:35.01 | Elwon | canberra-gtk-module.so: wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS64". Does anyone have any ideas please? |
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| 14:35.21 | nyk2005 | It just get's incredibly slow at NCBI Gene, e.g. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/gene/1789 |
| 14:36.03 | jelly | Elwon: dpkg-reconfigure flashplugin-nonfree to make it download the current version |
| 14:37.04 | nyk2005 | there the speed difference is extreme between iceweasel and chrome... |
| 14:37.18 | somiaj | or just use the script 'update-flashplugin-nonfree' from that package |
| 14:37.19 | Elwon | Thanks jelly. Unfortunately that hasn't helped though. Any other ideas? |
| 14:38.02 | jelly | Elwon: does your firefox still state the plugin is out of date, or what? |
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| 14:38.10 | somiaj | Elwon: since you don't mind installing unoffical software manage it yourself, you can just download the flashplugin yourself and copy the file into ~/.firefox or wherever |
| 14:38.29 | Elwon | jelly: Yes, |
| 14:38.52 | jelly | Elwon: which version of the plugin do you see reported on http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/plugincheck/ ? |
| 14:39.22 | Elwon | somiaj, I have tried installing the the latest flash version from the official site and firefox states it's corrupt. |
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| 14:39.52 | Elwon | jelly it says "no plugins were detected" and at the top says For your safety, Firefox has disabled your outdated version of Flash. Please upgrade to the latest version. |
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| 14:40.17 | somiaj | running 'update-flashplugin-nonfree' doesn't download a new flash plugin? |
| 14:40.31 | jelly | Elwon: is your firefox a 32 or 64bit build? |
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| 14:42.48 | jelly | Elwon: my 32bit 11.1.102.0 plugin is said to be up-to-date on that page, and it has this md5sum: c96e67606a07cab85791a1b4f344c47d /usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree/libflashplayer.so |
| 14:43.22 | Elwon | somiaj http://pastebin.com/qj361dBG |
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| 14:43.47 | Elwon | jelly, sorry perhaps I should have pointed out I am running 64bit squeeze. |
| 14:44.03 | jelly | Elwon: that doesn't answer my question, though. |
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| 14:44.45 | somiaj | sure, but did you install a 32bit or 64bit binary of firefox? |
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| 14:44.59 | somiaj | as jelly is asking |
| 14:45.20 | Elwon | jelly, sorry I missed that question, I think it's 32bit but it was a few months ago I installed the binary. Firefox help/about doesn't give me the version. |
| 14:45.31 | Elwon | How do I check? |
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| 14:45.49 | somiaj | well a 32bit firefox would want a 32bit flashplugin |
| 14:45.56 | jelly | Elwon: file /path/to/firefox |
| 14:46.33 | Elwon | Yes it's 32bit. That may well be where I have been going wrong.... |
| 14:46.56 | jelly | if you have a 32bit build, you'll need a 32bit adobe flash plugin as well. the Debian package assumes you have a native build and gets the 64bit plugin |
| 14:47.40 | Elwon | I will install the 64bit firefox, as i'd like to get the plugin from the repositories. Thanks for all of your help. |
| 14:48.15 | jelly | "this would already have worked if you'd used iceweasel" |
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| 14:49.30 | Elwon | Iceweasel constantly randomly closed. From a fresh debian install. But yes flash did work. |
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| 14:49.56 | Elwon | It also overheated my cpu. I admit I gave up on it after days of faffing trying to solve it. |
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| 14:50.07 | somiaj | Elwon: well debian does like bug reports if it is really a problem with that package, what version of debian do you run? |
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| 14:50.57 | somiaj | though if you are getting your iceweasel from mozilla.debian.net I think those are unoffical as well and you can't just use the bts for those packages. |
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| 14:52.05 | Elwon | I'm running debian squeeze 64bit stable. Isntalled without gui and then added lxde-core from repo's after that all packages were installed from repo's. |
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| 14:53.24 | somiaj | yea if you want a newer firefox/iceweasle than in squeeze you either have mozilla.debian.net or doing what you are doing. The suggestion is to use the debian sources, but not sure were you would report bugs about those packages. |
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| 14:55.59 | Iridos | judd, versions iceweasel |
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| 14:56.02 | judd | Package: iceweasel on i386 -- lenny: 3.0.6-3; lenny-security: 3.0.6-3; lenny-backports: 3.5.16-11~bpo50+1; squeeze: 3.5.16-11; squeeze-proposed-updates: 3.5.16-12; squeeze-security: 3.5.16-12; wheezy: 9.0.1-1; sid: 10.0-2 |
| 14:56.25 | Iridos | nuffin in backports |
| 14:56.44 | somiaj | mozilla.debian.net aperentally has newer packages for squeeze |
| 14:56.46 | Iridos | oh right... because they'Re in mozilla.debian.net |
| 14:57.32 | somiaj | but I haven't checked the repo, the webpage doenst make it clear what version they have |
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| 14:59.04 | Elwon | Thanks for your help somiaj! |
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| 15:02.52 | mekeor | which package provides the "startx" command? |
| 15:03.16 | simonlnu | !pdo |
| 15:03.16 | dpkg | http://packages.debian.org/ - here you can search for Debian packages and their contents. Pretty Damned Obvious, isn't it?, or http://people.debian.org/ in some contexts. Maybe even http://planet.debian.org/ |
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| 15:03.20 | Iridos | dpkg, tell mekeor -about apt-file |
| 15:03.23 | Iridos | ! |
| 15:03.30 | mekeor | lol |
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| 15:03.37 | mekeor | dpkg: apt-file |
| 15:03.38 | dpkg | apt-file is a utility used to find which package owns a given file - or list files in a package - even if it is not installed: "aptitude install apt-file && apt-file update" ; then "apt-file search filename" to see a list of packages containing filename (can also use a regular expression; see man apt-file). You can also search online, ask me about <pdo>. See also <auto-apt>, <dlocate>. |
| 15:03.52 | Iridos | you already have it in a private message |
| 15:03.59 | mekeor | Iridos: ah, it PMed me, okay. sorry. |
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| 15:05.18 | mekeor | Iridos: thank you. |
| 15:05.30 | Iridos | also, it's in xinit |
| 15:05.31 | Iridos | :D |
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| 15:05.43 | mekeor | :D |
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| 15:07.34 | kate123_ | how can i set pin muxes on debian squeeze? i want to enable my ttyO1 on my beaglebone |
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| 15:08.53 | makoto-msi | greetings all. got an HP pavillion g6 here, having "no sound". alsamixer shows two devices, the first is the sound inbuilt to the HDMI, the second is the actual onboard sound. how do I tell the system that I don't need the hdmi device? |
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| 15:12.45 | tremon | makoto-msi: incidentally, I had the same fight today. Your best bet is to blacklist the snd-hda-intel module, otherwise here is my .asoundrc: http://paste.debian.net/155713/ |
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| 15:12.58 | tremon | (adjust the slave name according to aplay -L output) |
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| 15:13.14 | endomafrendo | hi there, has anybody succeeded in running OpenCL on Debian linux with an AMD GPU? I have constant segmentation faults even while trying to run AMD's samples. I have the newest AMDAPPSDK and the Catalyst driver from amd.com. Any help greatly appreciated |
| 15:13.44 | makoto-msi | tremon: that doesnt work, tried it. blacklisting the snd_hda_intel messes up and no sound drivers are loaded at all |
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| 15:15.07 | makoto-msi | oh well class time |
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| 15:22.08 | bint | hmm |
| 15:22.19 | bint | i have sqlalchemy installed and want to downgrade it from 7.5 to 7.4 |
| 15:22.35 | bint | is there a simple solution how to downgrade something? |
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| 15:23.01 | Iridos | yes and no |
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| 15:23.27 | Iridos | downgrades are not supported... the packages have no means to deal with config-file changes etc |
| 15:23.49 | Iridos | but you can just dpkg -i <oldpackage> or apt-get install package version=<version> |
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| 15:24.37 | bint | hmm |
| 15:24.42 | JordiGH | Is there a Windows installer for Debian nowadays? |
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| 15:25.01 | bint | so i'm tryin to figure out what sqlalchemy version i'm using at the moment |
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| 15:25.14 | bint | wouldn't dpkg -I python-sqlalchemy be the right command? |
| 15:25.21 | grandmoun | hi guys! |
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| 15:25.26 | sephii | Having "Windows" and "Debian" in the same sentence sounds really wrong |
| 15:25.29 | Iridos | JordiGH, setup.exe on the installer CD? |
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| 15:25.42 | grandmoun | can somebody tell me what is "mark" message on syslog? |
| 15:25.43 | sephii | Except if it's to say "Debian is so superior to Windows" of course |
| 15:25.48 | Iridos | sephii, NOT true! I have many windows open in X on my Debian system |
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| 15:25.59 | JordiGH | sephii: I'm trying to figure out how to do the Debian install easy for my girlfriend. |
| 15:26.27 | simonlnu | grandmoun: means it's running and a way to keep track of whether or not it's logging properly |
| 15:26.30 | jelly | JordiGH: there's been one for years |
| 15:26.34 | JordiGH | Iridos: Oh, nice, does the Debian install media have that nowadays? |
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| 15:26.40 | Iridos | JordiGH, /msg dpkg goodbye microsoft or /msg dpkg setup.exe |
| 15:26.41 | JordiGH | jelly: There was the one from goodbye-windows.com |
| 15:26.45 | jelly | yes. |
| 15:26.52 | JordiGH | It's still there? I thought it only worked for Windows XP. |
| 15:27.08 | sephii | JordiGH: the easiest way is to install it for her, really |
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| 15:27.23 | JordiGH | sephii: Eh, she's a big girl. She can handle a fucking Debian install. |
| 15:27.23 | sephii | JordiGH: that's what gentlemen do |
| 15:27.25 | Iridos | dunno... I don't think anyone who's here regularly would use it often :) |
| 15:27.32 | jelly | !win32 |
| 15:27.32 | dpkg | [win32-loader] "Debian-Installer Loader" is a method of transferring Debian-Installer to a system running Microsoft Windows, which can then be restarted to install Debian. To install using CD/DVD or USB, ask me about <setup.exe>. To install from the Internet (or local Debian mirror), ask me about <win32-loader.exe>. See also <install guide>, <d-i>. |
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| 15:28.33 | simonlnu | likes the fact that rsyslog does the --MARK-- thing |
| 15:28.48 | simonlnu | oops -- MARK -- even |
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| 15:29.56 | grandmoun | sorry! I find the explaination |
| 15:30.00 | Iridos | DEUTSCHMARK |
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| 15:30.01 | grandmoun | thanks |
| 15:30.03 | Iridos | well, you wish |
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| 15:31.32 | KettleCooked | what is the most standard/default c++ compiler (g++??) for debian? If I have this application that can't "make" files etc and I need to install a compiler for this |
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| 15:31.36 | PedRy | Hi |
| 15:32.11 | Iridos | KettleCooked, aptitude install build-essential |
| 15:32.20 | KettleCooked | thanks! |
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| 15:37.06 | Iridos | KettleCooked, that installs the common things needed for building, you will still require libsomething-dev packages for specific libraries used by the program |
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| 15:38.30 | KettleCooked | Should be enough, just need something to compile with |
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| 15:46.27 | EmoSpice | anyone happen to know what the 'S' column in htop indicates? (Or happen to know where I can find out?) A quick google search has turned up nothing but the most cursory overview of htop's abilities. |
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| 15:47.38 | nkuttler | EmoSpice: man htop |
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| 15:47.52 | EmoSpice | nkuttler: probably a good idea. -_- |
| 15:48.06 | acu | can you bridge a wlan wifi for kvm ? |
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| 15:49.28 | Reikoku | Hi, wonder if anyone can give me a hand. Having some major issues with openssh on a vps. Opening sshd gives me the following errors: |
| 15:49.40 | Reikoku | Could not load host key: /etc/ssh/ssh_host_rsa_key |
| 15:49.42 | Reikoku | Could not load host key: /etc/ssh/ssh_host_dsa_key |
| 15:50.13 | Reikoku | The files exist, and contain what I recognise to be an rsa key and a dsa key, generated with ssh-keygen. I can't see why this won't work. |
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| 15:50.36 | nkuttler | Reikoku: hrm, that's bizarre. running stable? |
| 15:50.52 | Reikoku | nkuttler: The sshd is from squeeze repo |
| 15:51.02 | mand0 | permissions on the key? |
| 15:51.05 | EmoSpice | Reikoku: Are you sure you're using the right key? i.e the public key is on the server vs the private key. |
| 15:51.07 | Reikoku | 700 |
| 15:51.19 | Reikoku | EmoSpice: Both are on the server |
| 15:51.23 | EmoSpice | nkuttler: Though helpful, the man page doesn't explain much of anything beyond the interface basics (Inverting the selection, basic key commands etc) |
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| 15:51.58 | nkuttler | Reikoku: sshd should really work out of the box.. i'd probably try to purge and reinstall. but it sounds like you're mixing releases? |
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| 15:52.15 | nkuttler | EmoSpice: hrm.. right.. the stable man page doesn't seem to |
| 15:52.25 | nkuttler | it's state. sleep, running etc |
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| 15:53.07 | Reikoku | nkuttler: I'm running lenny but have squeeze repos for certain packages |
| 15:53.19 | Reikoku | plesk won't let me run squeeze |
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| 15:53.43 | EmoSpice | nkuttler: Ah. Thanks. I'm trying to setup backgrounding on a process and I'd like to find out if it's running or if it's suspended. |
| 15:53.43 | nkuttler | ew |
| 15:54.03 | ansgar | Reikoku: Change provider. They should at least let you run a system that has security support... |
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| 15:54.58 | Reikoku | ansgar: The provider will let me do whatever I want, the panel doesn't work on squeeze for some reason |
| 15:55.11 | nkuttler | Reikoku: also don't see why it would prevent you from doing anything. just rm -rf it if you don't like |
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| 15:55.45 | Reikoku | nkuttler: I use the panel a lot, just can't see why I'm suddenly having this issue with openssh |
| 15:55.52 | nkuttler | Reikoku: anyway.. i'd try to purge and reinstall as a first step |
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| 15:56.15 | ansgar | Reikoku: Well then, remove the panel. Or install a newer version that supports current systems. |
| 15:56.16 | nkuttler | sshd that is. don't try that on a remote box without some shell access though |
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| 16:00.48 | EmoSpice | Well, I'm attempting to background a php script. I've got stdout and stderr redirected to logs. Both work when running the script in the foreground, but I get |
| 16:01.07 | EmoSpice | "[1] + suspended (tty output) cron_jobs/feed_post.sh" when backgrounding the script. Does anyone have any ideas? |
| 16:02.18 | EmoSpice | Let me pastebin the script - it may help. |
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| 16:04.34 | Coornail | ]/window 6 |
| 16:04.39 | Coornail | sry |
| 16:04.41 | EmoSpice | http://paste.pocoo.org/show/548407/ |
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| 16:07.45 | simonlnu | EmoSpice: you doing bg after? or using & ? |
| 16:07.56 | simonlnu | oh yeh, i see |
| 16:08.33 | EmoSpice | It seems to think something is going to stdout (or waiting for input). I'm rather lost as to how to get it to stop suspending the process. |
| 16:08.53 | simonlnu | it's still outputting something. stdout there |
| 16:09.06 | simonlnu | try with tee for stdout |
| 16:09.17 | simonlnu | just to see what's up |
| 16:09.31 | EmoSpice | simonlnu: Okay. I'll see what I can get from it. Running it interactively though produces no output (either on stdout or stderr) |
| 16:10.46 | straterra | Is there something with the debian mirrors? I'm trying to do a x86_64 network install and every mirror I pick dies on downloading util-linux |
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| 16:13.18 | netcho | #unknown Soulseller |
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| 16:14.50 | jhutchins_wk | ,versions calibre |
| 16:14.52 | judd | Package: calibre on i386 -- squeeze: 0.7.7+dfsg-1squeeze1; sid: 0.8.34+dfsg-1; wheezy: 0.8.34+dfsg-1 |
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| 16:16.16 | EmoSpice | simonlnu: I'm getting nothing from tee at all. -_- |
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| 16:19.24 | simonlnu | EmoSpice: strange |
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| 16:21.31 | ChrisH | Since a few days, most probaly since that last kernel update on stable, I get these lines during backup time. I use LVM based snapshots and PV is mirrored. http://paste.debian.net/155717/ Till now I was not able to find a corresponding bug. BAckup seem to work, at lest the amanda mails are as usual. |
| 16:21.32 | stmaher | hi guys.. I have two debian machines and one machine has about 100 1GB files that need to transfer over a wan.. Is there an application that will transfer 10 files concurrently? |
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| 16:21.58 | stmaher | scp-tsunami is similar however that splits a single file.. and does not transfer single files concurrently |
| 16:22.15 | stmaher | lftp is similar to scp-tsunami |
| 16:22.29 | cthuluh | the bottleneck will likely be your network link, so why bother? |
| 16:22.53 | stmaher | cthuluh im on a 100Mbps Fiber Line ;-) |
| 16:22.58 | ChrisH | stmaher: What kind of WAN connection? I would assume the bandwidth oand/or latency is the bootleneck |
| 16:23.09 | stmaher | ChrisH thanks see above |
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| 16:23.43 | ChrisH | stmaher I would use rsync here |
| 16:23.53 | David`` | Where are thumbnails generated by the open dialogue in a GTK+ program stored? |
| 16:23.56 | cthuluh | stmaher: this doesn't mean you'll get 10MiB/s ;) |
| 16:24.09 | simonlnu | ~/.thumbnails |
| 16:24.29 | David`` | Thanks. Didn't even think of that. |
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| 16:25.02 | stmaher | cthuluh I know.. Hence why I am splitting the TCP window and overheads using Parallel transfers.. |
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| 16:25.20 | David`` | Is there a way to generate these thumbnails with a command? |
| 16:25.21 | stmaher | ChrisH Can rsync do parallel transfers? |
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| 16:25.30 | EmoSpice | simonlnu: Figured it out. Apparently, php needs an open handle to stdin - redirecting stdin from /dev/null fixed the issue. |
| 16:25.31 | David`` | Or must I stick to the open dialogue? |
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| 16:25.39 | EmoSpice | Thanks for the hints :) |
| 16:25.41 | simonlnu | EmoSpice: bugger php |
| 16:25.43 | stmaher | ChrisH I thought it just did hash changes and updates? |
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| 16:25.45 | simonlnu | yw |
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| 16:26.54 | ChrisH | stmaher, rsync does nothing in parallel, but it uses as much bandwith Disks and network will allow. If you read 10 files in parallel I assume the disks will slow it down. |
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| 16:30.04 | stmaher | ChrisH 6 x 600GB 15Krpm disks in raid 10.. disks are not likely the problem |
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| 16:32.06 | ChrisH | stmaher I would not bet :) But it seems to be a valid approach :) |
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| 16:32.57 | cthuluh | stmaher: I don't get how you're "splitting the tcp window and overheads" using parallel connections. rsync uses a single connection, which will run longer than any "parallel run" and thus will get more chance to achieve an optimal rate |
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| 16:33.53 | nu11_p01n736 | How to install smartdimmer on squeeze |
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| 16:35.57 | stmaher | cthuluh If you rsync you will be doing 1 file after another after another.. That sucks as tcp window will not give you the full 100Mbps capacity usage.. If you run say 10 rsyncs at once.. it will utilize all the bandwidth |
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| 16:38.49 | Trewas | stmaher: how big latency is on that link? 100mbps does not sound all that fast for TCP window scaling to cope with unless the latency is quite large |
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| 16:39.31 | stmaher | Trewas latency is ~ 40-50ms however.. a single file transfer over vpn.. is rougly 1Mbps at best |
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| 16:40.02 | stmaher | Trewas multiple files using filezilla on dare I say windoze i get 90Mbps usage |
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| 16:40.16 | anddam | hi |
| 16:41.12 | Trewas | stmaher: your problem is something other than tcp window scaling |
| 16:41.24 | anddam | dpkg isn't replying, is there any problem with it? |
| 16:41.26 | dpkg | anddam: okay |
| 16:41.46 | anddam | !tell anddam lenny |
| 16:41.47 | simonlnu | dpkg: forget isn't replying, |
| 16:41.56 | dpkg | i forgot isn't replying,, simonlnu |
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| 16:42.03 | stmaher | Trewas ok.. If i transfer a 50Gb file over a 90Mbps line via say ftp .. what speed would you expect to get? |
| 16:42.09 | simonlnu | anddam: /msg the bot |
| 16:42.12 | anddam | LOL, I joined #dpkg rather than querying it |
| 16:42.16 | tPl0ch | Hello, I am not an exim expert, but I am required to enable exim to send emails via a smarthost on a virtual machine. I ran 'dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config' and added all required data. But I am getting these error messages ( http://pastebin.com/jXW334v3 ) when running 'echo "Body" | mail -s Test valid@recepient.com'. This is on debian squeeze with exim 4.72-6+squeeze2. |
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| 16:42.23 | anddam | simonlnu: I thought I already was |
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| 16:43.29 | Trewas | stmaher: well 100mbps gets a bit over 10MB/s with any sane protocol |
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| 16:44.08 | jelly | Trewas: therefore, CIFS/SMB: not sane? |
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| 16:44.53 | Trewas | jelly: that too, unless there is something wrong with the configuration, at least on my home network the CIFS is about 12MB/s which is pretty close to 100mbit network maximum |
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| 16:45.22 | stmaher | Trewas Its a WAN link |
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| 16:45.44 | gele | what scripts should i edit to prevent scanning for lvm volumes before the luks partition that contains the volume has been unlocked? i've done the full encrypted install with the squeeze installer, and those error messages about not finding the root and swap volumes before i get the passphrase prompt are annoying. |
| 16:45.46 | stmaher | Trewas of course your going to get those speeds at <1ms latency |
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| 16:46.16 | raboof | http://packages.debian.org doesn't search the contrib repo's when searching on contents? |
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| 16:46.36 | nettezzz | hello |
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| 16:46.59 | raboof | it didn't find update-flashplugin-nonfree in testing/unstable, though that's in flashplugin-nonfree in contrib, right? |
| 16:47.11 | Trewas | stmaher: I just tested and I get about 20MB/s from a 150ms latency link (on public internet) |
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| 16:47.49 | jhutchins_wk | ,versions flash-plugin-nonfree |
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| 16:47.55 | judd | No package named 'flash-plugin-nonfree' was found in i386. |
| 16:48.10 | stmaher | Trewas how many routers in between? |
| 16:48.11 | raboof | ,versions flashplugin-nonfree |
| 16:48.12 | judd | Package: flashplugin-nonfree on i386 -- squeeze/contrib: 1:2.8.2; lenny-backports/contrib: 1:2.8.3~bpo50+1; sid/contrib: 1:2.8.3; wheezy/contrib: 1:2.8.3 |
| 16:48.26 | nettezzz | some custom action happening on failed login i have to set in PAM, right ? i did it few years back, it was brainfuck - write in C pam module and compile it, isn't already some new interface to pam ? |
| 16:48.34 | jhutchins_wk | ,versions flashplugin-nonfree |
| 16:48.35 | judd | Package: flashplugin-nonfree on i386 -- squeeze/contrib: 1:2.8.2; lenny-backports/contrib: 1:2.8.3~bpo50+1; sid/contrib: 1:2.8.3; wheezy/contrib: 1:2.8.3 |
| 16:48.44 | stmaher | Trewas just to clarify this was a single file? |
| 16:48.54 | jhutchins_wk | sorry. |
| 16:49.12 | Trewas | stmaher: actually I tested getting a debian cd from the us mirror, the other end being in .fi |
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| 16:49.34 | stmaher | Trewas interesting.. what brand is your networking gear? |
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| 16:51.13 | Trewas | stmaher: some generic dell desktop, I have no idea about the network gear brand |
| 16:52.05 | stmaher | Trewas Very interesting.. do you know if they have jumbo frames turned on? |
| 16:53.13 | mufflon | nettezzz: perhaps is fail2ban something you want |
| 16:53.14 | Trewas | stmaher: at least MTU is plain old 1500 |
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| 16:58.26 | stmaher | Trewas nice chatting with you .. I have to go.. It seems I was incorrect.. i get 7 to 8MB/s |
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| 17:06.28 | s70rm | how to configure bridget vmware network support in squeeze? |
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| 17:12.08 | rbanffy | Hi folks. Anyone experienced with Debian on EC2? I used the first 32-bit AMI on the list and it made a 1GB ext3 fs on a 8GB EBS volume. Any way to resize the filesystem? |
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| 17:15.00 | Mike1 | hi folks! |
| 17:15.19 | Mike1 | what hides behind the stuff in „Software selection“ in the debian installer? |
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| 17:16.24 | Mike1 | curiously I haven’t been able to find an answer with Google |
| 17:17.09 | Hydroxide | Mike1: tasksel |
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| 17:17.33 | themill | !tasksel |
| 17:17.33 | dpkg | tasksel is a program to select and install "tasks": a collection of packages for a system to perform a specific task (e.g. desktop environment, web server). Ask me about <standard task>, <server tasks> and <laptop task>. http://wiki.debian.org/tasksel |
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| 17:18.12 | themill | Mike1: the wiki describes it a bit more and has lists of packages involved in each of them. If you already have a debian installation either aptitude or tasksel can tell you what packages are involved |
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| 17:19.13 | Mike1 | dpkg: thanks! |
| 17:19.14 | dpkg | Mike1: de nada |
| 17:20.52 | Mike1 | mhhhh, I’m installing Testing right now, do I want to keep it or go straight for Unstable? |
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| 17:26.20 | themill | Mike1: the chances of being able to install unstable straight off are slim. Plus, if you feel the need to ask, you perhaps don't want the hassle of running unstable |
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| 17:27.55 | Mike1 | themill: well, I understand the concept, I just don’t know how bad Unstable is in reality |
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| 17:29.02 | jordanm | it has ups and downs. will be fine for a while until a transition hits, then you will likely end up with a broken system |
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| 17:31.46 | Sephi-Chan | Hello |
| 17:32.08 | Sephi-Chan | I install redis and put this file in /etc/init.d/ (https://gist.github.com/782797f075c365676a0a) |
| 17:32.22 | Sephi-Chan | But when I run /etc/init.d/redis start |
| 17:32.32 | Sephi-Chan | It doesn't start as a daemon |
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| 17:32.50 | Sephi-Chan | How can i do so ? |
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| 17:38.31 | Justin_ | Sephi-Chan: what does it do now? |
| 17:38.55 | Sephi-Chan | It start redis-server but without daemon mode |
| 17:39.03 | Sephi-Chan | So it will not persist as i log out :/ |
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| 17:40.22 | somiaj | Sephi-Chan: where did you install redis from? |
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| 17:40.28 | Sephi-Chan | Sources |
| 17:41.34 | somiaj | so you have the software and init.d script from the upstream sources (this isn't a debian package?) |
| 17:41.56 | Sephi-Chan | The software si from source |
| 17:42.10 | Sephi-Chan | The init.d script is one I found on Gist |
| 17:42.40 | somiaj | you will have to figure out why the software and/or init script is not putting it into daemon mode. You could edit the init script, maybe use 'nohup' or something to get it to run as a background. But this really isn't #debian support question. |
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| 17:43.05 | somiaj | nohup is for if the software itself has no daemon mode you can run nativaly. |
| 17:43.34 | Sephi-Chan | I believe redis has such mode since it's a quite usual server :s |
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| 17:43.48 | Justin_ | somiaj: that is what start-stop-daemon does |
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| 17:45.08 | jubo2 | Hi. I just managed to get a debian installed by the side of existing OS'es .. now the connectivity management tool has tabs "Wireless connection" and "Mobile broadband" in light unclickable light gray color. I currently have no ethernet based internet connection. Tnx for any help I may get in advance |
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| 17:45.28 | Justin_ | jubo2: what sort of hardware is this? |
| 17:45.35 | jubo2 | is searching for a FOSS OS that is _reliable_ and stable |
| 17:45.58 | somiaj | jubo2: common issue is missing firmware. What wireless card and check dmesg for info about the module unable to find firmware. |
| 17:46.12 | jubo2 | Justin_: a standard Wi-FI interface and bluetooth connections are unavailable in the "connection wizard" or whatever it is called |
| 17:46.35 | jubo2 | 'k I 'dmesg' |
| 17:46.41 | gnat_x | i'm back to trying to get my auto raid sync on usb disk reattach thing working. so i have a script that fires when the disk appears. do the values in /dev/disk/by-id/ change? or is it just uuid that doesn't? my second question is that the script to start the resync works when i run it manually as root, but not when triggered by udev -- is there something i'm not getting about mdadm perms? the script i've confirmed it runs as root when fired by udev. |
| 17:46.59 | somiaj | you can use lspci to find your actual wireless card's chipset, and debian wiki has instructions for many wifi chipsets. |
| 17:47.53 | jubo2 | what do I grep from the dmesg printout ? |
| 17:48.17 | somiaj | jubo2: really it depends on your wireless card. |
| 17:48.34 | somiaj | but 'firmware' is usually in the error message if it can't load it |
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| 17:48.50 | jubo2 | Xubuntu and Kubuntu detected the Wlan without quite ok |
| 17:48.59 | jubo2 | *without much bugs |
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| 17:50.35 | somiaj | jubo2: debian removes non-free firmware blobs from the kernel and puts them in additional non-free sources that are not enabled by default |
| 17:50.41 | jubo2 | lspci |
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| 17:51.11 | somiaj | jubo2: installing them should make them work, this is due to debian DSFG stance on free software. It is a slight pain at first, but once you know what is going on an easy fix. |
| 17:51.53 | somiaj | jubo2: so debian is what you seem to be searching for, just got accustom to distros including non-free stuff for you by default. |
| 17:51.54 | gnat_x | what's a slight pain in wireless card manufacturers refusing to standardize and release the standard. |
| 17:52.35 | jubo2 | 'k ... 'lspci' gives "05:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4313 802.11b/g/n Wireless LAN Controller (rev 01)" for the wifi interface ... so where is the wiki I need to look up instructions for this card |
| 17:52.45 | themill | they could just pop the firmware back onto the hardware like they used do, and then we'd not have anything to complain about... |
| 17:53.34 | themill | !BCM4313 |
| 17:53.34 | dpkg | The Broadcom BCM4313 (PCI ID 14e4:4727, incorrectly identified as BCM4727 by Broadcom's proprietary driver) is an 802.11n PCIe wireless LAN chipset, not supported by the <b43> driver at this time. For support on Debian systems, ask me about <brcm80211>, <wl>. Not to be confused with the <BCM4331>. |
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| 17:53.39 | gnarface | i miss cartridges |
| 17:54.05 | somiaj | jubo2: http://wiki.debian.org/brcm80211 |
| 17:54.11 | themill | jubo2: ^^ but do check "lspci -nn" against the wiki pages that dpkg will send you to to make sure that's the right name for their silly hardware |
| 17:54.33 | horace_x | hello dpkg |
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| 17:55.27 | somiaj | gnat_x: I thought I read somewhere from intel that the reason their wireless cards have to have non-free firmware blobs was due to wireless regulations and them wanting to ensure the cards/drivers conform to them. |
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| 17:57.01 | ksuhku | yea but that makes no sense |
| 17:57.03 | gnat_x | somiaj: so it is to keep hackers from doing things like amping the strength of their card, thus bringing it out of compliance with local law (like FCC Part-15 in the US)? |
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| 18:00.01 | jhutchins_wk | gnat_x: That and running outside the frequency specs for a given region. |
| 18:01.02 | jhutchins_wk | themill: The problem is that the hardware is spec'ed so far in advance of the delivery the firmware could easily be badly out-of-date. Besides which, it's usually tweaked after the card hits the market as well. |
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| 18:02.00 | themill | jhutchins_wk: sure. So firmware from userspace is a better thing for the end user than firmware burned onto the hardware (or requiring a difficult process to reflash it that can result in bricking the device). |
| 18:02.28 | themill | and yet, now that we have firmware from userspace, we complain about it... |
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| 18:04.46 | jhutchins_wk | If it weren't that, we'd find something else. |
| 18:05.01 | abrotman | like a BIOS ? |
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| 18:06.54 | dbelange | ok seriously |
| 18:07.01 | dbelange | how do I compile a kernel module |
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| 18:07.31 | abrotman | which module? |
| 18:07.40 | JordiGH | lol waterlosers |
| 18:07.56 | dbelange | in this case, a wireless driver from the vendor |
| 18:07.57 | abrotman | need help JordiGH ? |
| 18:08.00 | dbelange | and ban JordiGH |
| 18:08.18 | JordiGH | abrotman: I'm cool, just saying hi to an old friend. |
| 18:08.19 | abrotman | dbelange: which driver? for which device? Generally, you don't do that without a full tree rebuild .. |
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| 18:09.08 | dbelange | the device is rtl8188ce |
| 18:09.33 | abrotman | !rtl8188ce |
| 18:09.34 | dpkg | The Realtek RTL8188CE and RTL8192CE are PCI-E 802.11n wireless LAN chipsets (PCI IDs 10ec:8176, 10ec:8177, 10ec:8178, 10ec:8191). mac80211 vendor driver (rtl8192ce) is available since Linux 2.6.38. Firmware is required (rtlwifi/rtl8192cfw.bin), ask me about <realtek firmware> to provide. http://wiki.debian.org/rtl819x |
| 18:09.43 | somiaj | gnat_x: though I wonder if it is a law put on the manafactures themselves, more than intel going against hackers. |
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| 18:09.47 | abrotman | dbelange: what's your current kernel? |
| 18:09.50 | dels | hi |
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| 18:10.06 | dbelange | 2.6.32-5-amd64 |
| 18:10.14 | dels | is there a standardized way to install djbdns on debian since there is no packet? |
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| 18:10.25 | dbelange | I just don't know what I'm doing |
| 18:10.27 | somiaj | dbelange: yea just grab a 2.6.39, 3.1 or 3.2 kernel from backports and you should have support for that card. |
| 18:10.29 | abrotman | !tell dbelange about bpo |
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| 18:10.41 | abrotman | dels: do you really want to support DJB ? |
| 18:10.55 | dels | abrotman: hm… not sure about. |
| 18:10.57 | dels | why not? |
| 18:11.03 | abrotman | !djb |
| 18:11.04 | dpkg | somebody said djb was an arrogant jerk, or Daniel J. Bernstein, author of <qmail>, <djbdns>, etc., or at http://cr.yp.to/djb.html, or a UNIX coding and mathematics genius, or an ego-maniac. See <wanker>. |
| 18:11.04 | dbelange | kk, thanks |
| 18:11.11 | abrotman | he's .. *crazy* :) |
| 18:11.18 | abrotman | smart .. but out of his mind :) |
| 18:11.20 | themill | dels: there is actually a package; you might like to investigate the bugs that kept it out of squeeze |
| 18:11.45 | dels | o.k. can anybody then recommand a package for setting up a dhcpv6 server? |
| 18:12.25 | JordiGH | Oh, that reminds me. Are bugs with backported Linuxen reported to the same place as all the other linuxen? |
| 18:12.34 | JordiGH | I don't know how "official" backports are nowadays. |
| 18:12.52 | abrotman | JordiGH: try it and see |
| 18:13.07 | tremon | ,info dibbler-server |
| 18:13.08 | judd | Package dibbler-server (admin, optional) in squeeze/i386: portable DHCPv6 server. Version: 0.7.3-1.3; Size: 432.0k; Installed: 1288k; Homepage: http://klub.com.pl/dhcpv6/ |
| 18:13.09 | JordiGH | What if they yell at me? |
| 18:13.09 | abrotman | dels: was djbdns going to help you with dhcp ? |
| 18:14.08 | dels | abrotman: i was told it supports dhcpv6 |
| 18:14.09 | jhutchins_wk | somiaj: In order for the manufacturers to sell their hardware (in a given region) they have to give some sort of assurance that the hardware can't be used in a way that interferes with other services (ie FCC rules). One way of doing that is to limit the control options available to the end user; one way to do that is to release only binary blobs for the firmware. |
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| 18:14.41 | abrotman | which totally explains why ath9k has no blobs .. |
| 18:14.45 | somiaj | jhutchins_wk: ok that is basically what I thought, but it was a while ago that I read up on intels linux wi-fi support which is where they said that. |
| 18:14.45 | tremon | jhutchins_wk: of course not. Proper hardware has hardware limits, not software checks |
| 18:15.22 | epsas | tremon - not in the case of radio |
| 18:15.37 | somiaj | well userspace firwmare is a better approach, imanging having to flash new firmware on your card if there was a bug/fix needed. |
| 18:15.45 | epsas | tremon - there are firmware checks -- not always hardware checks |
| 18:15.53 | tremon | epsas: if your point is "there is no proper wifi manufacturer, then you may have a point there |
| 18:16.02 | somiaj | that would be great, having to support people flashing their wifi firmware so they can use the linux module for it. |
| 18:16.11 | themill | points towards #debian-offtopic |
| 18:16.12 | epsas | atheros was pressured by the military,iirc |
| 18:16.17 | jhutchins_wk | Does dnsmasq do ipv6? |
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| 18:17.19 | jhutchins_wk | tremon: The thing is that the hardware has a broad range of operating capabilities to meet standards in various regions, and there are important things (that I don't understand) about "software radios" that make them very good things to have. |
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| 18:18.35 | jhutchins_wk | tremon: themill is right, #debian-offtopic |
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| 18:20.58 | SimeonK | hi, how can i run a command in chroot mode without having to type the full path. (e.g. "chroot /chrt /bin/bash -c ls") |
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| 18:24.36 | Mike1_ | why am I not able to connect to a W-LAN with nm-applet? |
| 18:24.38 | Mike1_ | ** (nm-applet:3085): WARNING **: Failed to add/activate connection: (32) Insufficient privileges. |
| 18:25.02 | Mike1_ | I'm using Fluxbox as WM and LightDM |
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| 18:27.50 | somiaj | Mike1_: I think your user needs to be added to a paticular group for that. |
| 18:28.17 | themill | !desktop groups |
| 18:28.18 | dpkg | The standard groups in Debian that a desktop user would normally be in are: dialout (modem/serial usage), cdrom (CD/DVD), floppy, audio, video (video devices), plugdev (USB disks), netdev (network configuration through hal/networkmanager/wicd), powerdev (power scheme management). Ask me about <group> and <groups>. |
| 18:28.21 | somiaj | SimeonK: schroot and dchroot -- there are various chroot programs designed for that. |
| 18:28.54 | project2501a | what does "49c43,44" mean in a diff? file1, chance line 49 to be like like 43 in file2? |
| 18:29.07 | project2501a | what does the ,43 signify? |
| 18:29.15 | project2501a | erh, ,44 even. |
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| 18:30.46 | Mike1_ | somiaj: I'm in all those groups |
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| 18:33.15 | somiaj | Mike1_: try some googlefoo? That was just my guess as to why you had nsufficent privileges. (you typed 'groups' to ensure you are in them and loged out/in if you just added yourself to the groups?) |
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| 18:34.18 | themill | project2501a: line 49 is deleted and two new lines are inserted; they are lines 43 and 44 in the new file. |
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| 18:35.03 | project2501a | themill: ah! so, if there were 3 changes it would be 49d43,44,99 correct? |
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| 18:35.11 | project2501a | because diff works with lines. |
| 18:36.18 | jhutchins_wk | project2501a: man diff? |
| 18:36.41 | themill | project2501a: a 3rd line changed would be 43,45. If there were a non-contiguous change, it would be listed elsewhere. (Also, look at -U for diff; much easier to read) |
| 18:36.41 | project2501a | yeah yeah yeah |
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| 18:37.01 | project2501a | thank you . i will go back to rtfming now |
| 18:37.34 | jhutchins_wk | project2501a: diff and patch are pretty cool tools. |
| 18:37.44 | project2501a | yup |
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| 18:38.15 | project2501a | i am going through the git book, got to git-diff and i thought i would brush over the unix power tools book to read about diff. |
| 18:38.26 | project2501a | i will make a note to read about patch and quilt |
| 18:38.30 | project2501a | after the git book |
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| 18:38.50 | jhutchins_wk | was afraid there might be a git book. |
| 18:38.55 | delby | hi. i have a squeeze i386 installed. i am about to install a sid amd64 on the same hd as dual boot. i am going to keep grub from the original squeeze i386 install? is it a problem for grub install from i386 to boot another debian amd 64 install? |
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| 18:39.59 | jhutchins_wk | ,versions grub |
| 18:40.03 | judd | Package: grub on i386 -- lenny: 0.97-47lenny2; squeeze: 0.97-64; sid: 0.97-66; wheezy: 0.97-66 |
| 18:40.04 | jhutchins_wk | ,versions grub2 |
| 18:40.06 | judd | Package: grub2 on i386 -- lenny: 1.96+20080724-16; lenny-backports: 1.97~beta3-1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 1.98+20100804-14+squeeze1; sid: 1.99-14; wheezy: 1.99-14 |
| 18:40.17 | Mike1_ | my nm-applet problem is still there :( |
| 18:40.35 | Mike1_ | i've installed polkit-gnome and i have a policykit-session running |
| 18:40.39 | jhutchins_wk | Mike1_: What release are you running? |
| 18:41.07 | Mike1_ | jhutchins_wk: Debian Testing, nm-applet 0.9.2.0 |
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| 18:42.07 | Mike1_ | mhhhh, maybe it's a problem caused by old config files |
| 18:42.22 | themill | Mike1_: what display manager (if any) do you use? slim? gdm? |
| 18:42.23 | Mike1_ | this /home has been used by a Fedora before |
| 18:42.27 | Mike1_ | themill: lightdm |
| 18:43.03 | themill | Mike1_: I have no idea whether that sets up things appropriately for n-m... do you have something like gdm installed that you can use to test out that theory? |
| 18:43.56 | delvalle26 | themill: Probably gdm, I had the same issue |
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| 18:44.20 | delvalle26 | It seems they new expectation is people use that, and not manually use ck-launch etc. |
| 18:44.25 | delvalle26 | *the new |
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| 18:47.18 | Mike1_ | themill: I'd rather not install gdm |
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| 18:49.19 | delvalle26 | Mike1_: I was of the same opinion |
| 18:49.24 | delvalle26 | but am currently using gdm3 :P |
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| 18:49.54 | delvalle26 | supposedly you can modify some pam security thing somewhere, but I gave up after 12 attempts of messing around with my .xinit :P |
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| 18:50.41 | dbelange | ohshit my wireless drivers are working |
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| 18:50.45 | dbelange | thanks #debian |
| 18:50.47 | ragreb | yo |
| 18:50.50 | ragreb | where can I get help with Free60 |
| 18:50.59 | ragreb | I understand this is offtopic |
| 18:51.05 | ragreb | (Linux for Xbox 360) |
| 18:51.16 | jhutchins_wk | Unfortunately there are components that are developed within gnome, and while they _can_ run outside of gnome, you often have to install (and often run) substantial portions of gnome. |
| 18:51.31 | delvalle26 | gdm3 luckily uses very little memory |
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| 18:52.12 | abrotman | just like any software that builds on top of other software .. odd how that works ... |
| 18:52.12 | delvalle26 | For comparison, it's using a fraction compared to urxvt :P |
| 18:52.21 | abrotman | ragreb: maybe ##linux, not here |
| 18:52.30 | Mike1_ | I'll just install network-manager and network-manager-gnome with all its stupid recommends now |
| 18:52.48 | delvalle26 | Mike1_: just so you know that made no difference in my case |
| 18:53.03 | delvalle26 | Only with gdm, I think it's a security/permission issue |
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| 18:55.32 | Mike1_ | delvalle26: true =( |
| 18:55.41 | Mike1_ | arghhhhhhhh, how i hate that stuff |
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| 18:56.01 | Mike1_ | it ruins all the fun building your own DE is supposed to be =( |
| 18:56.12 | sanjoyd_ | X does not start after dist-upgrade. http://pastebin.com/epR6RqXh |
| 18:56.12 | delvalle26 | Well, not all the fun :) |
| 18:56.19 | sanjoyd_ | Noveau isn't running, I've checked. |
| 18:56.26 | delvalle26 | I'm happily using i3 now (used awesome before) |
| 18:56.37 | delvalle26 | with hand picked apps for everything :) |
| 18:57.17 | delvalle26 | You can try googling, but I tell you, 90% of the solutions are use wicd :P |
| 18:58.22 | delvalle26 | anyway, if you give in, install gdm, and simply have nm-applet launch in your xinit or whatever |
| 18:58.26 | delvalle26 | and everything will magically work :) |
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| 19:01.09 | faryus | hello |
| 19:01.20 | faryus | could I possibly get some help with soemthing? |
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| 19:01.36 | cm13g09 | faryus: Please don't ask to ask, just ask ;) |
| 19:01.50 | faryus | (wasn't sure if it's a support channel :P) |
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| 19:01.51 | faryus | ok so... |
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| 19:02.18 | faryus | I have deluged installed on debian testing |
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| 19:02.38 | faryus | and I am trying to make it run at startup |
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| 19:02.42 | faryus | with this: http://dev.deluge-torrent.org/wiki/UserGuide/InitScript/Ubuntu |
| 19:02.51 | faryus | only it doesn't work |
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| 19:03.14 | faryus | not only does it not run at startup, but sudo invoke-rc.d deluge-daemon start doesn't work either |
| 19:03.35 | cm13g09 | faryus: ok, by doesn't work, do you get any messages? |
| 19:03.46 | cm13g09 | or is it silent |
| 19:03.49 | faryus | nope... nothing... silent |
| 19:03.57 | cm13g09 | does anything appear at the end of /var/log/syslog? |
| 19:04.03 | faryus | let me check |
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| 19:04.39 | norc | Does the init system (with the configuration files from /etc/init/) have log files? |
| 19:04.47 | faryus | Feb 9 21:00:12 mammoth kernel: [ 182.703055] TCP: Possible SYN flooding on port 57800. Sending cookies. Check SNMP counters. |
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| 19:04.57 | norc | (Because I added a custom configuration, but the process is not started at all, and I dont know why) |
| 19:05.07 | cm13g09 | faryus: that |
| 19:05.19 | cm13g09 | is not helpful - nothing about deluge! |
| 19:05.29 | cm13g09 | oh well |
| 19:05.42 | faryus | there's nothing about deluge there.. |
| 19:05.45 | cm13g09 | if you start the daemon by hand, presumably it works? |
| 19:05.58 | faryus | yes, that works |
| 19:06.27 | cm13g09 | ok |
| 19:06.45 | cm13g09 | can you pastebin the init script for me? I can't get onto that page due to network policy |
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| 19:06.54 | faryus | ok, just a sec |
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| 19:07.57 | faryus | this is the first part http://pastebin.com/a7bdPR2m |
| 19:08.27 | cm13g09 | faryus: there's your problem ;) |
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| 19:08.41 | faryus | what is? :)) |
| 19:08.48 | faryus | this is the other file: http://pastebin.com/h93uY6dy |
| 19:08.54 | cm13g09 | "The init.d script will only run if this variable is non-empty" |
| 19:09.00 | cm13g09 | DELUGED_USER="" |
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| 19:09.21 | cm13g09 | you need to set DELUGED_USER to a user to run deluged as |
| 19:09.26 | faryus | oh, I pasted that from their site... I have it set up properly on my computer |
| 19:09.32 | cm13g09 | ah ok |
| 19:09.48 | cm13g09 | that's fine then |
| 19:09.57 | cm13g09 | carry on - post the actual /etc/init.d/ script |
| 19:10.07 | faryus | http://pastebin.com/h93uY6dy |
| 19:10.38 | faryus | the init.d script was then chmoded to 755 |
| 19:10.45 | faryus | and set to run at startup with sudo update-rc.d deluge-daemon defaults |
| 19:10.57 | norc | Or let me ask differently. When I add a new file to /etc/init - is `init q' sufficient to find, parse and execute that file if the system is already in a runlevel the `start on runlevel' has specified? |
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| 19:11.34 | cm13g09 | faryus: so you get no output at all? |
| 19:11.40 | faryus | no, nothing |
| 19:12.36 | cm13g09 | faryus: can you confirm that both /usr/bin/deluged and /usr/bin/deluge-web exist? |
| 19:12.47 | cm13g09 | and are chmodded +x |
| 19:12.48 | faryus | please wait |
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| 19:13.18 | faryus | deluged is there, but no deluge-web |
| 19:13.40 | faryus | could that be the issue? |
| 19:14.01 | cm13g09 | that'll be why |
| 19:14.17 | cm13g09 | the init script apears to depend on both being executable |
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| 19:14.34 | cm13g09 | you'll need the deluge-web package, I think |
| 19:14.38 | cm13g09 | and then you'll be OK |
| 19:14.45 | faryus | wait, let me install |
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| 19:16.15 | faryus | well... it works :) |
| 19:16.21 | faryus | thanks for the help! |
| 19:16.26 | cm13g09 | faryus: no problem |
| 19:16.56 | cm13g09 | goes back to testing bits of debian-live.... |
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| 19:27.37 | falk | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:27.37 | falk | Does anyone can help me configure the power button behavior with inittab? |
| 19:27.39 | falk | Excuse my poor English |
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| 19:28.29 | somiaj | falk: not sure what inittab has to do with this, but what you you want your powerbutton to behave like? |
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| 19:29.37 | falk | The problem is that when I touch just turns off the entire system |
| 19:29.47 | falk | somiaj: i use awesome window manager |
| 19:29.59 | cm13g09 | falk: I suggest looking at acpid |
| 19:30.06 | cm13g09 | and your BIOS' ACPI options |
| 19:30.54 | somiaj | falk: and what would you prefer it did when you touched it? |
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| 19:31.24 | falk | i wish |
| 19:31.26 | falk | Do not do anything when I touch |
| 19:31.59 | somiaj | but mostly follow cm13g09 advice. You may make it so the OS ignores any events sent to it by pushing the button, probabaly won't be able to disable the hardware hold it down for a few seconds to force powerdown though. |
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| 19:32.45 | kwame | Hi, I'm missing Xlib.h to build a dockap for windowmaker in debian |
| 19:33.01 | kwame | when I need to find out which package provides a library in redhat/fedora I use yum provides Xpackage |
| 19:33.13 | kwame | is there an option in apt for this? |
| 19:33.18 | falk | somiaj: Ok, i will read for acpid |
| 19:33.23 | falk | cm13g09: Thanks |
| 19:34.42 | jordanm | !tell kwame about apt-file |
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| 19:48.26 | sdd__ | I just installed gnome on debian (just apt-get install gnome) and gdm3, after logging in, just shows me a wallpaper. |
| 19:48.32 | sdd__ | Any idea what is wrong? |
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| 19:51.08 | karsten | sdd__: gnome isn't starting up properly. Check ~/.xsession-errors and/or try launching a failsafe session. |
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| 19:52.33 | maxsz | hi |
| 19:53.14 | nsadmin | lo |
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| 19:55.55 | maxsz | I'm having problems installing debian on a macbook air 4,2. I can't get grub to install properly... |
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| 20:01.48 | karsten | med |
| 20:01.54 | allure | How can I properly create an image from a live box to import it and run on another box with kvm? dd? |
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| 20:02.08 | Monarquista | topic |
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| 20:02.46 | karsten | allure: Your virtualization tool should give you details on that. |
| 20:03.06 | karsten | allure: dd, creating a disk image, tar, rsync ... |
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| 20:03.17 | karsten | allure: What virtualization system are you using? |
| 20:03.25 | karsten | Doh! kvm. Sorry. |
| 20:03.27 | allure | karsten: kvm ... |
| 20:03.29 | allure | yeah :) |
| 20:04.30 | karsten | allure: Generally, google "p2v $my_virtualization_engine" or ask #kvm. But in this case: http://alexharrington.co.uk/2009/09/23/linux-p2v/ |
| 20:04.54 | karsten | p2v == physical to virtual. |
| 20:05.09 | allure | karsten, thank you =) |
| 20:05.20 | allure | I'll read more about p2v.. I did not know this term. Thank you |
| 20:05.24 | karsten | allure: Linux p2v is a bit more straightforward than Windows, though that's also pretty standard AFAIK. |
| 20:05.56 | nsadmin | speaking of virt... I can boot to have a dom0. and I want to know how to run a debian installer on a domU |
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| 20:20.53 | gnat_x | i have a script that does and mdadm --add. when i run the script by hand (as root) it works. when udev runs the script (which i've also confirmed as root) it fails. |
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| 20:21.24 | gnat_x | mdadm exits with 0 when run by hand and 1 when run by udev. |
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| 20:21.56 | abrotman | gnat_x: use full path |
| 20:22.18 | gnat_x | abrotman: like /sbin/mdadm ? |
| 20:23.24 | gnat_x | abrotman: i'm already using that. or is that not what you mean? |
| 20:25.16 | manganese | gnat_x: Modify your script to dump env to a file. Also consider using strace on mdadm to find out while it's exiting in error (dump that output to a file, too) |
| 20:26.08 | manganese | s/while/why/ |
| 20:26.13 | abrotman | gnat_x: then use 'set -x' at the top of the script .. see what's going on |
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| 20:29.23 | envirocbr | Hey, what is that utiliy you use to open numerous shells to configure numerous devices all at once via ssh and manage them |
| 20:29.35 | envirocbr | it isn't screen but more like a PERL utility you can download |
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| 20:29.47 | LordDeath | https://twitter.com/#!/debian <-- debian 5 support will end soon? |
| 20:30.03 | jelly-home | LordDeath: correct |
| 20:30.56 | envirocbr | Anyone? |
| 20:30.56 | alfplayer | envirocbr: i think clusterssh is written in perl |
| 20:31.02 | envirocbr | YES |
| 20:31.03 | envirocbr | YES |
| 20:31.05 | envirocbr | Thank you |
| 20:31.12 | alfplayer | envirocbr: sure |
| 20:31.50 | jelly-home | envirocbr: there are like a dozen similar tools. apt-cache search cluster ssh |
| 20:33.02 | envirocbr | alfplayer: What do you prefer? |
| 20:33.08 | envirocbr | I only know cluster shell |
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| 20:33.51 | alfplayer | i tried several of those, the most popular, like a year ago |
| 20:34.03 | alfplayer | i wasn't really satisfied with any of those |
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| 20:34.36 | nsadmin | LordDeath, YES. and pretty much the only support now is security updates, and those will drop to the ground. |
| 20:34.59 | alfplayer | i'll probably try to write a script if that's possible |
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| 20:35.06 | alfplayer | if i have to do it now |
| 20:35.16 | nsadmin | will it still be usable? did we put a bomb into it? Yes, still usable. No, no bomb. |
| 20:36.09 | gnat_x | someon put a bomb in it... it just hasn't been discovered yet. and now no one will remove said bomb if discovered. |
| 20:36.39 | nsadmin | envirocbr, check #perl in case it's not packaged for debian |
| 20:37.12 | envirocbr | nsadmin: Thanks |
| 20:37.39 | alfplayer | envirocbr: clusterssh is in stable |
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| 20:47.19 | dimaursu16 | hello |
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| 20:47.35 | Mike1_ | yay! Everything's working with wvdial and wcid. I need no nasty NM! \o/ |
| 20:48.06 | Mike1_ | good Night! =) |
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| 20:50.18 | dimaursu16 | what do you use for browsing documentation? devhelp? a usual browsers? man pages? info? vim? or do you have some advices? |
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| 20:52.12 | ChibaPet | Hey there. Kernel question... I see in http://patchwork.ozlabs.org/patch/102405/ that user_xattr shouldn't be required for kernels that have the option configured. It appears to be needed explicitly for Squeeze. Does anyone here know at what point that changes? |
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| 20:56.20 | karlpinc | ChibaPet: You could get a kernel from backports and read the changelog, I suppose. |
| 20:56.40 | sankey | dimarsu: i like using html documentation for java stuff |
| 20:57.00 | sankey | and i use the arch wiki for linux stuff ;) |
| 20:57.15 | karlpinc | dimaursu16: man (which means read "man less"), man -k, info, and the upstream docs which are in the dir with the readme.debian. |
| 20:57.20 | karlpinc | !tell dimaursu16 about readme.debian |
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| 20:59.06 | jhutchins_wk | ,versions spamassassin |
| 20:59.12 | judd | Package: spamassassin on i386 -- lenny-volatile: 3.2.5-2+lenny1.1~volatile1; lenny: 3.2.5-2+lenny3; lenny-backports: 3.3.1-1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 3.3.1-1; squeeze-backports: 3.3.2-2~bpo60+1; sid: 3.3.2-2; wheezy: 3.3.2-2 |
| 20:59.25 | ChibaPet | karlpinc: Hm, I guess I'll wait. Doesn't really matter - I was just curious. But yeah, if it's in wheezy it'll impact me in a small way, and if it's not, it won't. |
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| 20:59.40 | karlpinc | dimaursu16: There's also the reference manual, and RH has a good docs that are the same for most commands if you've a particular problem with, say, grep. Also the OpenBSD man pages are the best -- but you have to be able to actually read. Miss a word and you lose. |
| 21:00.28 | karlpinc | ChibaPet: That sort of thing is often in the release notes. (Except I'm not really sure what you're talking about. :-) |
| 21:00.33 | jhutchins_wk | Great, from the #spamassassin topic " 3.2.x is BROKEN" |
| 21:00.37 | dimaursu16 | thx, karlpinc |
| 21:00.53 | jhutchins_wk | I thought I had the backports version though... |
| 21:01.03 | karlpinc | dimaursu16: New to debian? |
| 21:01.37 | karlpinc | ChibaPet: There's probably a changelog on line at packages.debian.org. |
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| 21:01.40 | jhutchins_wk | Ok, I do, it's still broken. |
| 21:02.00 | dimaursu16 | yes....but I have some experience with other distro's |
| 21:02.20 | ChibaPet | karlpinc: ext4, user_xattr - evidently it's going to be on by default sometime soon, or is already. I was initially worried that I needed it but it wasn't available at all in Debian, but that seems to have been a silly worry. |
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| 21:02.29 | karlpinc | dimaursu16: You might want to see the <overview> and <introduction> factoids. (Type "/msg dpkg overview" into irc.) |
| 21:02.33 | dimaursu16 | btw...I was talking more like documentation for programming, like python docs |
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| 21:03.54 | dimaursu16 | well...is that a robot(dpkg)? |
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| 21:04.11 | karlpinc | dimaursu16: Read the complete reference twice, then program for a week looking at the reference as needed, then read again, then program for 6 months, then read again. Then you're done. :) |
| 21:04.16 | karlpinc | !tell dimaursu16 about dpkgbot |
| 21:04.25 | dimaursu16 | what a cool thing :D |
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| 21:05.14 | karlpinc | dimaursu16: If you don't want to learn that way, get the oReilly book. |
| 21:05.25 | dimaursu16 | thanks karlpinc, you're a very nice guy |
| 21:05.36 | karlpinc | dimaursu16: (There's always a oReilly book.) |
| 21:05.48 | karlpinc | dimaursu16: Nah. Just good at procrastinating. :) |
| 21:06.28 | Mephisto | trivial question: |
| 21:06.33 | dimaursu16 | well...you know..in my contry I can't buy them + I'm a student -> I can't afford them |
| 21:06.37 | karlpinc | dimaursu16: Python has a tutiorial and the python.org site talks you through learning python. |
| 21:06.43 | kleanchap | Is there a good News reader client for Debian? |
| 21:06.48 | dimaursu16 | and piracy....well...is piracy |
| 21:06.49 | karlpinc | dimaursu16: There's also #python when there's questions. |
| 21:07.05 | Mephisto | why opera reports issue with operapluginwrapper on Debian but never on Slack or Arch for example? |
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| 21:07.22 | bentkus | do what you want cause a pirate is free, you are a pirate! |
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| 21:07.59 | nsadmin | therefore ice cream has no bones? |
| 21:08.06 | themill | Mephisto: perhaps ask the opera people |
| 21:08.08 | dimaursu16 | anyway...are oReilly books a somekind of shortcut for learning programming? |
| 21:08.11 | karlpinc | dimaursu16: This is also awesome for learning programming: http://mitpress.mit.edu/sicp/ |
| 21:08.13 | dimaursu16 | I don't think so |
| 21:08.24 | Mephisto | themill, good idea. But what would they know about Debian?.. |
| 21:08.26 | dimaursu16 | oh, thanks |
| 21:08.32 | karlpinc | dimaursu16: They're just good tools. |
| 21:08.34 | Mephisto | they'd send me back here and make me ask you |
| 21:08.49 | nsadmin | dimaursu16, if you have a fairly mature math background, SICP is awesome |
| 21:08.51 | themill | Mephisto: more than we know about opera |
| 21:09.02 | dimaursu16 | what is that? |
| 21:09.18 | Mephisto | that issue has persisted for centuries on particular linux distros. |
| 21:09.32 | karlpinc | nsadmin, dimaursu16 : It is a freshman level course at MIT, so presumably you need only a high school math background. |
| 21:09.33 | Mephisto | niether opera guys has changed anything nor linux ones. |
| 21:09.45 | karlpinc | dimaursu16: scip is the mit book. |
| 21:09.45 | Mephisto | http://pastebin.com/GSjEAFVQ |
| 21:09.51 | Mephisto | this is getting really annoying. |
| 21:09.53 | Mephisto | but i'll ask them |
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| 21:11.36 | nsadmin | karlpinc, it's the first engr course at mit, every engr major gets to take it |
| 21:12.00 | nsadmin | hence its course#, 6.001 |
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| 21:12.13 | dimaursu16 | Mephisto, have you tried reinstalling it? |
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| 21:12.23 | Mephisto | sure, many times. |
| 21:12.41 | Mephisto | it's something about flash plugin or maybe something else. I think it'd persist even if i remove all the plugins. |
| 21:12.45 | dimaursu16 | donwload a new version, from debian testing for example |
| 21:12.52 | Mephisto | erm... i'm ok with stable actually. |
| 21:13.01 | Mephisto | or you mean new version of Opera? |
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| 21:13.05 | Mephisto | my version IS the latest one. |
| 21:13.06 | dimaursu16 | yes, of opera |
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| 21:13.10 | Mephisto | 11.61 |
| 21:13.17 | karlpinc | dimaursu16: Mixing releases is a bad idea. |
| 21:13.20 | Mephisto | and also, i've tried older versions. ALL of them behave the same way. |
| 21:13.38 | Mephisto | karlpinc, no, it's ok. I know how to deal with such stuff. But that's anyway not the case. |
| 21:13.56 | Mephisto | karlpinc, i myself use some backports + lucid stuff. I know how to accurately filter it out. |
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| 21:15.55 | dimaursu16 | Mephisto, maybe your flashplugin is crashing |
| 21:16.08 | Mephisto | dimaursu16, doesn't happen to neither Iceweasel nor Chromium. |
| 21:16.25 | Mephisto | of course, i might just as well use only either of these |
| 21:16.26 | dimaursu16 | reinstall that, or try uninstalling and start opera... |
| 21:16.35 | Mephisto | done it many times man. |
| 21:16.39 | dimaursu16 | and btw, try to purge the configurations |
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| 21:16.47 | Mephisto | and that too :) |
| 21:16.53 | Mephisto | it's always been like that. |
| 21:16.54 | dimaursu16 | how strange |
| 21:17.13 | Mephisto | i think it's a slight internal incompatibility of opera with some of the libraries on Debian. |
| 21:17.18 | Mephisto | and not only on Debian |
| 21:17.29 | Mephisto | also, maybe it has to do with architecture |
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| 21:17.31 | Mephisto | i'm on amd64 |
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| 21:17.46 | nsadmin | dimaursu16, first, it's a really bad idea to install binary packages from testing on a stable install... second, want a flavor of sicp? |
| 21:18.20 | Mephisto | nsadmin, he meant only opera. However, i see no reason to do that, cause there's official Opera repo available. |
| 21:18.45 | nsadmin | opera could pull in libc... after which you're screwed... |
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| 21:19.01 | Mephisto | anyway, is there anyone who uses Debian stable amd64 and opera? |
| 21:19.13 | Mephisto | i want any of you start Opera and check dmesg right after it. |
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| 21:19.25 | Mephisto | just wanna make sure everybody gets the same thing. |
| 21:19.50 | nsadmin | I might have opera... I do have stable amd64 |
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| 21:20.06 | Mephisto | nsadmin, nice, would you be able to assist me a bit?.. |
| 21:20.15 | Mephisto | nsadmin, take your time though, not a hurry. |
| 21:20.24 | Mephisto | i just wanna know if it's persisent for everyone. |
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| 21:20.56 | Mephisto | and it DOES reflect on video playback sometimes. Flash acts weird, but seldomly anyway. So it's not a biggie. |
| 21:21.43 | nsadmin | gimme a few mins... |
| 21:21.48 | Mephisto | sure. |
| 21:21.55 | nsadmin | I just tried, discovered no opera |
| 21:22.18 | nsadmin | wannadoo some coffee |
| 21:22.27 | Mephisto | hmm... |
| 21:22.34 | Mephisto | ok.. |
| 21:22.35 | karlpinc | !tell dimaursu16 about sicp |
| 21:22.53 | karlpinc | dimaursu16: You will want the guile link as well. |
| 21:23.31 | cm13g09 | Is anyone aware of a way to enable apt's https transport during install-time? |
| 21:23.59 | dimaursu16 | that scripting language provided by gnu? |
| 21:24.43 | themill | cm13g09: do you really need https? It doesn't actually offer anything security-wise here. |
| 21:25.20 | Mephisto | the thing is... it works differently on different distributions of linux. So... it's 50%50, either bad opera optimization (for older systems) or deficiency on the system the opera is run on. It's not just flash, there's more to it. But i'd be inclined to assume that it's actually opera which is shit. |
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| 21:28.56 | ChibaPet | dimaursu16: Alternative advice, grab a copy of Racket and read http://www.ccs.neu.edu/home/matthias/HtDP2e/ |
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| 21:29.27 | ChibaPet | dimaursu16: Racket can be had here: http://racket-lang.org/ |
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| 21:30.26 | ChibaPet | Also, reload that web page a few times - they have some pleasing quickstart examples. |
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| 21:37.42 | k3nz0 | Where can I find, dns logs ? (path please) |
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| 21:38.47 | karlpinc | k3nz0: Depends on how your logging is configured. Usually /var/log/daemon.log (IIRC) |
| 21:38.49 | ChibaPet | k3nz0: try /var/log/daemon.log |
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| 22:03.40 | bitchircx | Hi |
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| 22:14.03 | engla | in debian-installer, why does selecting "desktop environment" or not influence how it installs grub? |
| 22:14.10 | engla | has anyone seen this? |
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| 22:20.32 | Kamping_Kaiser | engla: because the two aren't connected |
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| 22:21.16 | engla | "selecting it or not" |
| 22:21.31 | engla | I'm just trying to understand I'm helping a guy install debian |
| 22:21.54 | engla | and we found out he had to deselect desktop to get the question to not install grub on mbr, but to a partition |
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| 22:24.25 | clone_of_saturn | maybe because someone assumed that most desktop users wouldn't know how to set up a chained bootloader |
| 22:25.19 | engla | maybe |
| 22:25.42 | engla | installing on apple laptops is tricky sadly |
| 22:25.58 | engla | if you refuse to boot in legacy bios mode :-) |
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| 22:30.27 | SerajewelKS | does irssi have a mechanism to join channels marked autojoin after some sort of delay? i have a few on my list that require me to be identified, and irssi tries to join them before sending my ident line. |
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| 22:36.00 | lstarnes | SerajewelKS: it does not unless you use a custom script |
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| 22:36.16 | SerajewelKS | lstarnes: hmm ok, thanks |
| 22:36.43 | lstarnes | SerajewelKS: you can automatically identify faster by using your nickserv password as the server password or using SASL. if you decide to use a server password, set it as accountname:password |
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| 22:37.09 | SerajewelKS | lstarnes: hmm interesting, didn't know that. thanks. |
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| 22:38.01 | jbrks | there such a thing as a mailinglist client, that can sort incoming messages to separate threads? |
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| 22:39.02 | Dulak | Any mail client put out in about the last 10 years should have a filter system you can use to sort into folders, for threading you'd need something custom |
| 22:39.06 | Guest77628 | knode |
| 22:39.08 | Guest77628 | is one |
| 22:39.20 | Guest77628 | a qt/kde one |
| 22:39.21 | phogg | jbrks: thunderbird? Almost anything? |
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| 22:39.42 | Guest77628 | thunderbird will, but if you wnat JUST a mailing list one, knode works |
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| 22:39.52 | phogg | knode is a usenet reader, I thought |
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| 22:40.27 | SerajewelKS | thunderbird works for that. i'm not a fan of thunderbird in general, but i've yet to find something that sucks less. |
| 22:43.02 | phogg | Used to be a lot of good MUAs, but they seem to have died off |
| 22:43.31 | jbrks | SerajewelKS, thunderbird can't do that. unless you can tell me the appropriate plugin, otherwise i don't appreciate the guessing. |
| 22:43.54 | SerajewelKS | jbrks: view > sort by > threaded |
| 22:45.16 | SerajewelKS | if that's not what you're talking about then i'm not sure what you /are/ talking about |
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| 22:46.18 | Bombo | hi |
| 22:46.34 | Bombo | my gnome crashed, and now i dont see any gnome themes |
| 22:46.37 | SerajewelKS | jbrks: and it's not guessing considering that i use thunderbird every day, in threaded view... |
| 22:46.54 | SerajewelKS | Bombo: try running gnome-settings-daemon from a terminal |
| 22:47.14 | Bombo | i reinstalled gnome-themes-more but gnome sais theme lush cant be found |
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| 22:47.31 | AMDmi3 | hi |
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| 22:48.02 | AMDmi3 | is there a way of installing minimal debian distribution as extracting a single tarball or something similar |
| 22:48.16 | thewanderer1 | AMDmi3, debootstrap |
| 22:48.39 | SerajewelKS | Bombo: also, have you tried logging out and then back in? |
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| 22:49.04 | karlpinc | AMDmi3: Of course to use debootstrap you'd need to boot into a live cd or have debian running in some other way. |
| 22:49.23 | Bombo | SerajewelKS: didnt help, and yes |
| 22:49.27 | AMDmi3 | thewanderer1: karlpinc: yes, that seems to be it, thanks |
| 22:49.30 | thewanderer1 | also, the OpenVZ project has ready-made tarballs ( http://download.openvz.org/template/precreated/ ) for use in containers - they work as chroot environments pretty well |
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| 22:49.41 | SerajewelKS | Bombo: when you log in do you get some message about anything crashing? |
| 22:49.45 | Bombo | Gtk-Message: Failed to load module "canberra-gtk-module" |
| 22:49.45 | AMDmi3 | actually I need it in a chroot under FreeBSD, and it's even in FreeBSD ports |
| 22:49.50 | Bombo | does this matter? |
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| 22:50.02 | Bombo | SerajewelKS: nope |
| 22:50.12 | SerajewelKS | karlpinc / AMDmi3: yeah, you don't need /debian/ for debootstrap, you just need /some linux/ |
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| 22:50.19 | SerajewelKS | (in fact, cygwin might even be able to run it...) |
| 22:51.00 | SerajewelKS | Bombo: did you upgrade anything recently? which debian release are you using? |
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| 22:51.04 | thewanderer1 | nah, cygwin doesn't run Linux ELF... but FreeBSD with Linux ABI compat is fine |
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| 22:51.28 | themill | you don't run anything in the first step of debootstrap |
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| 22:51.35 | Bombo | SerajewelKS: nothing recently, but gnome was running a long time |
| 22:51.46 | Bombo | SerajewelKS: i mean long uptime |
| 22:51.52 | Bombo | SerajewelKS: squeeze |
| 22:52.09 | SerajewelKS | thewanderer1: (1) of course, you would have to build it on cygwin, (2) it's a shell script anyway |
| 22:52.15 | thewanderer1 | themill, yes, but if you want a chroot, you presumably do want to run something eventually :) |
| 22:52.45 | themill | thewanderer1: you can still do it on different machines; you can prepare it on a different architecture |
| 22:52.50 | SerajewelKS | thewanderer1: debootstrap is basically just an apt frontend that sets up a new root |
| 22:53.04 | thewanderer1 | yeah, I've had my share of fun with a phone lately |
| 22:53.22 | SerajewelKS | i don't imagine there are many platforms that couldn't run it in some form |
| 22:53.41 | SerajewelKS | Bombo: i ask because google suggests that this is related to mixing GTK+ 2 and 3 on the same box |
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| 22:57.44 | thewanderer1 | SerajewelKS, I'm seeing the same on my GNOME2+GNOME3 setup... it coincides with Pidgin's failure to work under GNOME3 (yet it still works under KDE (?!)), but may be unrelated after all |
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| 22:59.20 | Bombo | SerajewelKS: hmm ok i compiled gtk+3 but to a sepaate dir, cant find it now, its a while ago |
| 22:59.55 | Bombo | SerajewelKS: i didnt restart gnome since then so probably i didnt recognize that i fscked it |
| 23:00.35 | SerajewelKS | Bombo: that seems likely to be the problem. check your /usr/local/lib for gtk+3 libraries. |
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| 23:01.51 | Bombo | SerajewelKS: no i start to remember ;) it was just a newer gtk+-2 than default squeeze version |
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| 23:02.07 | Bombo | its in local indeed hm |
| 23:02.11 | SerajewelKS | Bombo: hmm. that's still likely to cause problems. |
| 23:02.44 | SerajewelKS | Bombo: it's going to prefer /usr/local/lib. so it will load that gtk+ version, then when it's looking for libcanberra, or whatever, it's going to find it in /usr/lib instead, and the versions are probably incompatible. |
| 23:03.06 | Bombo | some program i wanted to use needed a newer gtk version, so ... |
| 23:03.09 | SerajewelKS | Bombo: whether you can mix stuff like this depends a lot on the libraries |
| 23:03.39 | sabayonuser2 | hey just wondering if there is a simple or at least small list of packages/metapackages for xfce to install all of the extras/apps without installing the gui, with the end intent of having a lxde/xfce desktop hybrid in the most efficient way possible |
| 23:03.39 | SerajewelKS | Bombo: well, in that case you should instead install a newer gtk+ into a separate prefix and write a shell script wrapper for the program that will adjust LD_LIBRARY_PATH etc. |
| 23:03.54 | SerajewelKS | Bombo: then you use the wrapper for that program, and it gets the gtk+ it needs. and everything else continues to use what's in /usr/lib. |
| 23:04.48 | Bombo | SerajewelKS: yep, not sure why i didnt do that back then |
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| 23:12.04 | arietis | how can i run command via ssh so it won't terminate after i'll close terminal window? |
| 23:12.51 | hornets | screen? |
| 23:13.02 | somethinginteres | Can somebody please verify my sources.list and terminal output from apt-update. I am trying to convert stable to testing. See: http://paste.debian.net/155768/ |
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| 23:15.00 | arietis | screen of what? :S |
| 23:15.24 | thewanderer1 | !tell arietis about screen |
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| 23:16.40 | arietis | should it be installed on server or client? |
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| 23:17.08 | nechayev | hey just wondering if there is a simple or at least small list of packages/metapackages for xfce to install all of the extras/apps without installing the gui, with the end intent of having a lxde/xfce desktop hybrid in the most efficient way possible |
| 23:17.54 | abrotman | arietis: wherever you're running the command you don't want to end |
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| 23:18.25 | arietis | so if i close window with screen it won't terminate? |
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| 23:19.07 | thewanderer1 | arietis, it normally won't, but it's safest to detach (Ctrl-a d) always |
| 23:19.45 | arietis | thanks, it seems to be working |
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| 23:20.35 | gnat_x | nechayev: i think a lot of them are packaged individually iirc. |
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| 23:32.28 | burek | hi, does this error mean that I need to build glibc statically or something ->lib/libasound.a(dlmisc.o): in function snd_dlopen:dlmisc.c:70: error: undefined reference to 'dlopen' |
| 23:32.44 | burek | if i want to build ffmpeg as a fully static binary |
| 23:33.13 | Owner | hello human friends |
| 23:34.10 | judd | Owner: no discriminating against bots! |
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| 23:36.25 | somethinginteres | how do I quit a changelog in terminal that appears after program installation? It ends with the text "(END)" |
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| 23:37.17 | amphi | q |
| 23:37.38 | amphi | it just uses $PAGER AFAIK, which is usually less(1) |
| 23:38.34 | themill | !dbugs 619816 |
| 23:38.39 | dpkg | #619816:N[apt-listchanges] apt-listchanges: Add hint for newbies on how to exit less (patch); Sun, 27 Mar 2011 12:51:02 UTC [633645] |
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| 23:47.16 | somethinginteres | amphi: Thanks for that. "q" worked. |
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| 23:47.27 | amphi | !rejoice |
| 23:47.27 | dpkg | ...and the peasants rejoiced. |
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| 23:47.43 | tsccof | has anyone compiled mysql-workbench on squeeze? |
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| 23:47.52 | Tammis | Look at this: |
| 23:47.57 | Tammis | "lord knows i would love nothing better then to rape castrate skewer through on a spit and tear the throut out of the bitch doctor that circumcised my person asa newborn at the time it was done to me" |
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| 23:48.14 | Tammis | Anyone else feel the same? |
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| 23:49.08 | tsccof | Tammis: I wasn't circumcised, but I do |
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| 23:49.26 | Tammis | He is so angry he can't even get the words out straight. |
| 23:49.35 | Tammis | Look at how sloppy he was writing that. |
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| 23:49.39 | Tammis | He must have been shaking with rage. |
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| 23:50.32 | tsccof | imho, circumcision is just wrong |
| 23:51.33 | tsccof | anyone here using mysql-workbench on squeeze? |
| 23:51.41 | Tammis | A society that takes its newborns, straps them down, and circumcises their genitals is corrupt to its core, isn't it. |
| 23:51.56 | tsccof | Tammis: yes |
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| 23:52.23 | thewanderer1 | did I just mistake channels? O.o |
| 23:52.27 | Tammis | It's more interesting still I think what circumcision begins to say about the society at large. |
| 23:52.27 | tsccof | Tammis: it is anti-natural, the body is something to be preserved, not cut apart according to one's ego |
| 23:52.31 | Tammis | It's just the tip of the iceberg surely. |
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| 23:52.52 | tsccof | Tammis: shall we take out conversation to pm? |
| 23:53.15 | tsccof | s/out/our |
| 23:53.21 | amphi | iceberg? |
| 23:53.24 | Tammis | You're right. It's offtopic in here. |
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| 23:53.39 | tsccof | amphi: it is simply evidence to something much larger |
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| 23:53.55 | tsccof | amphi: a reflexion of the world's ignorance |
| 23:54.06 | Tammis | Some grow up in a household with Mirosoft Windows. Some get Debian and get to keep their whole genitals. |
| 23:54.08 | Tammis | Luck of the draw. |
| 23:54.23 | amphi | qotd? |
| 23:54.35 | tsccof | amphi: could be /etc/mtod |
| 23:54.55 | amphi | heh |
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