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| 00:17.06 | gnat_x | alright, i'm a step farther in trying to fire an mdadm script from udev. i've figured out that when udev runs the script it mdadm: cannot find /dev/disk/by-id/usb-... No such file or directory |
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| 00:22.39 | alternut | setting up a server, LVM or no LVM? |
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| 00:24.14 | rking | Back in the ancient times, there was this program fips, that allowed you to resize an existing Windows partition so you could do an ol' switcheroo and install Linux without the use of external media (like a disk). Is there such a tool for the kind of partitions that Win7 makes? |
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| 00:25.19 | karsten | rking: gparted, generally. |
| 00:25.48 | petemc | rking: if you are able to run win7 is probably safer to resize within windows |
| 00:26.04 | karsten | CowboyNeal: /. ? |
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| 00:26.24 | rking | Yep - this machine has Win7 currently and I'm going to blast it, but I need to transfer some data and I don't have any burnable CDs or a thumb drive handy. |
| 00:26.35 | rking | petemc: I'll try it. karsten: Good to know. |
| 00:27.30 | gnat_x | alternut: alternut LVM definitely. |
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| 00:28.23 | alternut | should I just let it take over the whole disk? I plan to add drives later |
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| 00:29.38 | alternut | and probably implement something like software raid 1, mirroring later |
| 00:30.18 | gnat_x | alternut: if you're planning raid, you might want to plan for that now. |
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| 00:30.51 | alternut | it would just be via software, motherboard doesnt support it I dont think |
| 00:30.57 | gnat_x | it means you can just add new disks, without having to wipe the current one to get it into the raid. |
| 00:31.05 | gnat_x | alternut: even in software raid. |
| 00:31.16 | gnat_x | it has to do with layers on the block device. |
| 00:31.20 | alternut | k, so what would I need to change during install so I can mirror it later? |
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| 00:32.27 | gnat_x | the installer has options for Raid and lvm. you wnat physical partitions --> raid --> LVM --> file systesm o partitions. |
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| 00:36.34 | alternut | ah k |
| 00:36.38 | alternut | thanks |
| 00:36.58 | alternut | now it should be then possible to mirror to a new drive, and remove the old drive, yes? |
| 00:37.17 | alternut | trying to futureproof, I hate reinstalling |
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| 00:37.58 | Some_Person | I'm trying to run a certain program with mono, but I get "libgluezilla not found. To have webbrowser support, you need libgluezilla installed" |
| 00:38.05 | Some_Person | However, libgluezilla is not in the repos! |
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| 00:38.14 | gnat_x | alternut: it should be possible to do that, and also to keep the old disk after sync as part of the array. |
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| 00:38.37 | alternut | great |
| 00:38.48 | alternut | what about this one..going to a different sized drive? |
| 00:39.40 | gnat_x | Some_Person: i see it in the repos: http://packages.debian.org/search?suite=all§ion=all&arch=any&searchon=all&keywords=libgluezilla |
| 00:39.46 | gnat_x | Some_Person: but only for squeeze. |
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| 00:39.58 | Some_Person | gnat_x: But I'm on wheezy |
| 00:40.11 | gnat_x | Some_Person: not sure why it dropped out, you may want to poke the maintainer and see what's up. |
| 00:40.50 | delimax | lenny, goodnight sweet prince. |
| 00:41.06 | engla | Some_Person: apt-cache search gluezilla --> leads to libmono-webbrowser4.0-cil |
| 00:41.13 | alternut | gnat_x: so..can I run the guided lvm setup, then after I have the partitions set, run the software raid setup? |
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| 00:41.48 | gnat_x | alternut: i think raid may need to be a level higher than lvm. |
| 00:41.49 | Some_Person | engla: Which I already have installed |
| 00:42.04 | engla | oh, sorry |
| 00:42.36 | alternut | hmm, ran the setup, kinda froze on setting up lvm :/ |
| 00:43.15 | alternut | it wanted me to set up partitions before raid |
| 00:43.43 | tsccof | anyone here got mysql-workbench in squeeze? |
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| 00:47.49 | Some_Person | Apparently, the reason it was removed was "ROM; Unsupportable, FTBFS" |
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| 00:51.36 | anisfarhana | good morning :) |
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| 00:52.14 | bintut | waves |
| 00:52.34 | dvs | night! |
| 00:52.36 | alternut | gnat_x looks like I need a min of 2 active devices to configure any sort of raid |
| 00:52.38 | anisfarhana | bintut: morning marina bay :p |
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| 00:53.00 | gnat_x | alternut: that sucks. i guess i get it. |
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| 00:53.13 | bintut | i need help on setting up my usb wlan interface. i'm using tp-link tl-821nv3 on squeeze. kindly check http://www.pastie.org/3351820 for more information. |
| 00:53.32 | gnat_x | alternut: definitely go with lvm then, so you can lvmove stuff. |
| 00:53.35 | bintut | anisfarhana: thanks! ;) |
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| 00:53.54 | bintut | what am i missing here? |
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| 00:55.05 | gnat_x | bintut: i think you want to s/wlan0/pan0 in your /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 00:55.31 | gnat_x | bintut: iwconfig leads me to believe you are deining rules fore a device that doesn't exist. |
| 00:55.31 | crypticmofo | hi all .. i want to use a dd command |
| 00:55.41 | bintut | gnat_x: i will try that again. iirc, i already tried that last night. |
| 00:55.42 | gnat_x | bintut: or rather is assigned differently. |
| 00:56.30 | crypticmofo | i want to get an iso to a parition and wanted to know if dd if=file.ios of=/dev/sda4 |
| 00:56.33 | crypticmofo | will that work ? |
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| 00:59.46 | bintut | hello gnat_x. pan0 if i'm not mistaken is for bluetooth? but, i tried changing the wlan0 to pan0 but doesn't work. |
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| 01:04.26 | gnat_x | bintut: oh. right pan0 is bluetooth |
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| 01:05.53 | bintut | gnat_x: what shall i do now? |
| 01:05.55 | gnat_x | bintut: try ath0 |
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| 01:08.31 | bintut | gnat_x: still doesn't work. Could not get interface 'ath0' flags. no such device. |
| 01:09.01 | bintut | gnat_x: the problem is, i don't have the wireless interface yet. |
| 01:09.25 | teratoma | how can i get the source for the package libspandsp3 ? |
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| 01:15.46 | bintut | gnat_x: brb. i will try to reboot my system. i have made changes on my /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules file which i added a line for wlan0 interface. |
| 01:15.51 | bintut | waves.. brb |
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| 01:24.31 | tsccof | in APT, how can I remove a package and all of its dependencies? |
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| 01:25.17 | aguitel | apt-get remove --purge foo.deb |
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| 01:26.21 | tsccof | that won't remove its dependencies |
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| 01:27.30 | LiENUS | anyone have suggestions for a good text editor i can use from the command line over ssh? |
| 01:27.38 | DustyDingo | tsccof: generally packages, which have been installed only as a dependency are tracked |
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| 01:27.42 | BenNZ | LiENUS: nano |
| 01:27.50 | DustyDingo | so you can remove them with apt-get autoremove |
| 01:27.55 | LiENUS | err i meant for taking notes left that part out |
| 01:27.58 | LiENUS | im using nano right now |
| 01:28.02 | LiENUS | but it just seems lacking |
| 01:28.08 | LiENUS | itd be nice if there was one i could bold in |
| 01:28.26 | tsccof | DustyDingo: I have xserver-xorg-video-all( it is a metapackage ) and all of its dependencies (a lot of X drivers) |
| 01:28.44 | tsccof | DustyDingo: however, nvidia-glx already provides xserver-xorg-video-6 |
| 01:28.54 | tsccof | DustyDingo: which is a dependency of xserver-xorg-core |
| 01:28.56 | BenNZ | LiENUS: not sure about for note taking but you could use echo > filename , then use cat filename , would that work for what your wanting |
| 01:29.10 | LiENUS | benf, ... |
| 01:29.13 | LiENUS | err benz |
| 01:29.19 | tsccof | DustyDingo: since I don't need these drivers, I want to remove them |
| 01:29.20 | LiENUS | err bennz lol |
| 01:29.25 | LiENUS | i mean for class note taking |
| 01:29.31 | LiENUS | echo > filename would be slow |
| 01:29.43 | tsccof | DustyDingo: how can I do that? removing xserver-xorg-video-all and running apt-get autoremove won't do it |
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| 01:31.35 | BenNZ | LiENUS: not sure sorry |
| 01:31.57 | tsccof | DustyDingo: any ideas? |
| 01:33.16 | clone_of_saturn | tsccof: aptitude remove '?depends(xserver-xorg-video-all)' |
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| 01:33.50 | symptom | Sorry, I know this is a noob question, but if I put something in /etc/init.d/ will it run as root on startup? |
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| 01:34.02 | clone_of_saturn | symptom: no |
| 01:34.07 | tsccof | clone_of_saturn: I don't have/use aptitude, will that work in APT? |
| 01:34.22 | clone_of_saturn | tsccof: no. i don't know how to do it in apt. |
| 01:34.27 | symptom | clone_of_saturn, where can I put something to start up as root? |
| 01:34.56 | symptom | clone_of_saturn, rc.x? if so which x |
| 01:35.06 | clone_of_saturn | symptom: the simplest way is /etc/rc.local |
| 01:35.07 | sbingner | 942665728 bytes (943 MB) copied, 3.44404 s, 274 MB/s <-- that's much better :D and it'll do it for 4 concurrent sessions |
| 01:35.10 | tsccof | clone_of_saturn: ah, I did 'apt-get purge $(dpkg-query -W -f="${Package}\n")' |
| 01:35.31 | clone_of_saturn | tsccof: okay cool |
| 01:35.38 | tsccof | clone_of_saturn: no, 'apt-get purge $(dpkg-query -W -f="${Package}\n" | grep xserver-xorg-video)' |
| 01:36.22 | sbingner | and now the default is faster than xts: 942665728 bytes (943 MB) copied, 2.17363 s, 434 MB/s |
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| 01:37.49 | symptom | clone_of_saturn, thanks |
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| 01:46.26 | nate_h | how do I get apt-get to ignore deps? |
| 01:46.40 | nate_h | or ignore conflicts |
| 01:46.46 | daemonkeeper | You don't. |
| 01:46.53 | nate_h | grr |
| 01:46.56 | daemonkeeper | Use dpkg if you think you know what you're doing. |
| 01:47.22 | nate_h | ok ok |
| 01:47.25 | nate_h | thx |
| 01:47.33 | karsten | nate_h: By resolving them. |
| 01:47.44 | karsten | nate_h: What packages are conflicting and where did you get them from? |
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| 01:47.51 | nate_h | mysql-cluster-server and libmysqlclient |
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| 01:52.51 | nate_h | seems kind of silly there is no way to pass commands to dpkg from apt-get |
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| 01:59.44 | karsten | nate_h: What commands do you want to pass? You can alwasy invoke dpkg directly. |
| 02:00.00 | nate_h | except dpkg needs the file local, correct? |
| 02:00.07 | nate_h | it won't do stuff like talk to my apt repo |
| 02:00.19 | nate_h | unless i specify the file path directly |
| 02:00.53 | nate_h | the whole reason this is an issue is some stupid gems that are compiling stuff off the lib, so i'm gonna try and precompile them |
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| 02:03.56 | Kliwon_The13th | i wanted to build lite debian. from where i must start ? |
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| 02:05.50 | gnat_x | Kliwon_The13th: you can build a minimal install from the netinst. picke expert and skip the "install and configure packages" step. |
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| 02:06.21 | gnat_x | that should give you a system with little more that apt, core-utils and a kernel. |
| 02:06.34 | gnat_x | (lvm, raid, dmcrypt too if you install that stuff) |
| 02:07.07 | gnat_x | then you can install what you want as you need it. |
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| 02:08.54 | Kliwon_The13th | gnat_x: i see netinst about 170mb |
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| 02:10.08 | Kliwon_The13th | ok i get that. but mybe there is below 170mb :) |
| 02:10.11 | Kliwon_The13th | thks |
| 02:10.15 | simonlnu | um, those are minimum packages, and also some configuration |
| 02:10.34 | simonlnu | not a good idea to skip that. usually results in broken incomplete systems |
| 02:11.26 | Kliwon_The13th | ok |
| 02:11.30 | simonlnu | they come back a few days later why "their apt" doesn't work very well |
| 02:11.35 | gnat_x | simonlnu: i've found a install base system is enough to get a somewhat functional system, if you don't mind installing things like openssh working. |
| 02:11.36 | simonlnu | wondering why* |
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| 02:12.26 | simonlnu | Kliwon_The13th: you can fetch the netinst, install standard, then pick and choose. when it asks you to install "desktop", skip that. |
| 02:12.39 | simonlnu | because that's a crapload of stuff in there |
| 02:12.48 | gnat_x | *nods* |
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| 02:13.35 | gnat_x | i bloat my system enough... i don't need the installer bloating it too. :P |
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| 02:14.10 | simonlnu | Kliwon_The13th: it might show "software selection" with a yellow and blue background. just uncheck them all |
| 02:14.23 | simonlnu | gnat_x: yeh really ;) |
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| 02:14.54 | simonlnu | Kliwon_The13th: it'll give you a basic, working system, and you can play to your heart's content |
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| 02:16.30 | Kliwon_The13th | simonlnu: i wanted to play minimalis trinity :) |
| 02:16.34 | simonlnu | gnat_x: i know it's an extra step, plus a reboot, letting it finish, but more often than not newbies come back and find themselves with half configured systems, that we end up having to support and figure out why ;). saves them and us some trouble later. |
| 02:16.47 | simonlnu | Kliwon_The13th: ah yes, trinity kde3? |
| 02:16.59 | Kliwon_The13th | yes |
| 02:17.08 | simonlnu | *nods* |
| 02:17.22 | gnat_x | simonlnu: that makes sense. |
| 02:17.38 | gnat_x | fixing an aptless system is no fun |
| 02:17.48 | simonlnu | no it isn't |
| 02:18.16 | simonlnu | or a squeeze with no security deb lines, etc. |
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| 02:27.27 | gnat_x | ugh... at what point after plugging in a usb block device does /dev/disk/by-id/ get populated? is add the wrong udev action to be using? |
| 02:28.49 | dwon | gnat_x: grep -r by-id /lib/udev/rules.d #<-- does that help? |
| 02:29.12 | somiaj | gnat_x: check dmesg, has it even be assigned a regular device node or is something wrong with the kernel detecing that usb device? |
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| 02:31.13 | gnat_x | somiaj: yes, /dev/sdd currently. and the path *does* seem to get created correctly, just not when udev runs the script. |
| 02:31.59 | gnat_x | all of the other udev rules ar 60- and my rule is 99- which i thought means it should run last. |
| 02:32.24 | esprimo | Is it possible to make two bash substitutions at the same time? Instead of doing DATA=${1:1}; DATA=${DATA/#*t} doing something like DATA=${${1:1}/#*t} ? |
| 02:32.42 | somiaj | gnat_x: hmm, yea not that sure though those by-id links got populated fairly quickly. :( |
| 02:33.09 | gnat_x | somiaj: i even added a sleep 30 to the top of my script, and it didn't help. |
| 02:33.10 | somiaj | esprimo: seems like something you could test easily enough, also #bash (I'd answer if I knew) |
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| 02:35.27 | esprimo | somiaj: Yeah, I tried it but didn't really find anything but thanks :) |
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| 02:41.39 | dvs | oh noes |
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| 03:00.18 | Hodapp | http://maketecheasier.com/create-custom-debian-live-cd-through-the-web/2010/09/14 - the tool shown here, does it exist in a desktop-ish form as the web version is down? |
| 03:00.53 | manganese | Hodapp: Look at live-boot |
| 03:01.01 | Hodapp | thanks |
| 03:01.07 | manganese | Hadopp: Also, live-magic for the full GUI experience |
| 03:01.20 | Hodapp | is PowerPC (G3 particularly) supported there? |
| 03:01.26 | DammitJim | anyone using wheezy with an NVIDIA card? |
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| 03:02.59 | manganese | Hodapp: My live-magic only gives me the option of i386 or amd64. Not sure if that's because I only have x86 components installed, though. |
| 03:03.04 | Hodapp | manganese: Hmm, I see |
| 03:03.11 | manganese | Hodapp: Docs and the like are on live.debian.org |
| 03:03.33 | manganese | Ah, l.d.o is the site that's down, I see |
| 03:03.35 | Hodapp | live.debian.org does not appear to be working for me |
| 03:03.59 | somiaj | its live.debian.net |
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| 03:04.20 | manganese | Ah, thanks |
| 03:04.31 | somiaj | also just seems they live images are only made for x86, not sure why though. |
| 03:04.40 | Hodapp | hm, dunno |
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| 03:07.03 | Hodapp | Maybe I'd be better off booting from a netinstall and getting a very minimal Debian on the iBook |
| 03:07.18 | Hodapp | its hard disk has a lot of bad sectors on it but the beginning should be okay |
| 03:07.40 | engla | heh, sounds like it's nearing end of life |
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| 03:08.14 | Hodapp | engla: The hardware, short of the hard disk, still seems to be quite solid. |
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| 03:08.51 | Hodapp | engla: It's just going to be a serial terminal (via an FTDI USB->serial) that sits there, most likely. |
| 03:09.35 | engla | you can probably boot it from an usb stick as well, it's just not very practical |
| 03:09.44 | engla | (need to type in a command in OF each boot) |
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| 03:10.03 | Hodapp | yeah, I'd like to use HDD if I could |
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| 03:16.33 | rdonx | Hello |
| 03:17.40 | rdonx | Are there any non-X VESA/VGA GUIs? |
| 03:18.18 | simonlnu | for linux? heh. non-xorg/x11? |
| 03:18.35 | somiaj | wayland? |
| 03:18.40 | simonlnu | or based on that? |
| 03:18.47 | simonlnu | (xorg/x11) |
| 03:19.21 | rdonx | I'm setting up a server box, and all I need is the ability to open up a bunch of terminal windows, a file browser, and a simple file editor (like notepad) |
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| 03:19.56 | rdonx | So I'm wondering if anyone made a small program that implements a limited GUI |
| 03:19.59 | simonlnu | um ok. so install clients on the remote end. you don't need x for that - just locally. |
| 03:20.05 | engla | all you need is tmux or screen |
| 03:20.41 | simonlnu | so many people get confused with the x model of client/server |
| 03:20.44 | somiaj | rdonx: why not use screen/tmux on say a large resolution (get the feeling of multiple windows) |
| 03:20.53 | somiaj | you have mc for a file manager |
| 03:21.06 | manganese | hell, you have the shell for file manager ... |
| 03:21.11 | manganese | I never could get to grips with mc |
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| 03:21.36 | simonlnu | i use mc a lot, but just as often i'll toggle it to the shell |
| 03:22.23 | somiaj | the onlything I use a file manager for is my photo collection, just because of thumbnails make finding things way easier. |
| 03:23.16 | rdonx | hmm |
| 03:23.39 | simonlnu | rdonx: a client would be for example, a text editor like gvim (vim-gtk, don't bother with the gnome one, too many deps), and tunnel the display (/msg dpkg sshx in this channel) |
| 03:24.16 | rdonx | Not a fan of vi either |
| 03:24.16 | somiaj | rdonx: you can even run mplayer in a framebuffer (probabaly not on a remote server though ssh though), and I think there is a framebuffer image viewer, you can do a lot without x. |
| 03:24.41 | simonlnu | rdonx: it's an example... |
| 03:24.43 | rdonx | Wayland - any of you running it? |
| 03:24.51 | simonlnu | wouldn't touch it |
| 03:24.51 | somiaj | use to have an old 486 laptop setup to do that to save on resources. |
| 03:25.00 | rdonx | At the moment it looks experimental |
| 03:25.43 | somiaj | agrees with simonlnu |
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| 03:26.51 | Mephisto | question |
| 03:27.08 | simonlnu | answer |
| 03:27.09 | Mephisto | is it possible to set a mutter-like windows unfolding effect in compiz? |
| 03:27.25 | Mephisto | i like it, but i think compiz lacks it. |
| 03:27.35 | simonlnu | it's a plugin iirc |
| 03:27.55 | Mephisto | oh really |
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| 03:28.15 | Mephisto | doesn't make much sense though |
| 03:28.51 | rdonx | I'll probably install X with Flux |
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| 03:29.23 | simonlnu | x on a server seems dumb to me |
| 03:29.37 | manganese | Install X with flucx where? The X server runs on the client system. The window manager probably does too (unless you have a good reason not to) |
| 03:30.22 | rdonx | Well, do you guys know of any simple C templates that can change the video mode when run in a terminal |
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| 03:30.47 | manganese | C templates? |
| 03:31.11 | manganese | xvidtune will tweak an X server from terminal |
| 03:31.12 | rdonx | A small base of C code that sets up a 640x480 framebuffer |
| 03:31.52 | manganese | Use Xnest as the Xserver for you remote things? |
| 03:32.14 | manganese | You can make it any size you like -- it's just a regular X client as far as the main X server is concerned |
| 03:32.36 | manganese | Although I'm probably failing to understand what you are doing |
| 03:32.41 | manganese | Why does geometry matter? |
| 03:33.05 | rdonx | Well, let's say I wanted to write my own GUI that doesn't need X |
| 03:33.21 | rdonx | One start would be to look through the X source code to rip out the initiation code |
| 03:33.23 | simonlnu | he's convinced that he needs to run remotely to have "a gui" |
| 03:33.32 | manganese | Then nothing else out there would be able to use it, unless your new GUI supported Xlib ... |
| 03:33.35 | simonlnu | connected to said remote |
| 03:33.41 | rdonx | manganese: I'm aware |
| 03:33.46 | rdonx | It's a custom solution |
| 03:33.48 | rdonx | and I'd be fine with it |
| 03:33.50 | simonlnu | rdonx: don't reinvent the wheel |
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| 03:38.30 | rdonx | Found it |
| 03:38.32 | rdonx | http://www.svgalib.org/jay/beginners_guide/beginners_guide.html |
| 03:38.48 | manganese | Uh. SVGAlib is a) very old and b) very insecure |
| 03:39.03 | manganese | I hope you like having everything running suid root |
| 03:39.44 | kleanchap | I want to have Mozilla's Thunderbird on my Debian system. I do not find it in aptitude search. How/Where can I get Thunderbird? |
| 03:39.49 | manganese | didn't think it was even being maintained any more |
| 03:40.04 | manganese | icedove is the new thnderbird |
| 03:40.06 | manganese | Literally |
| 03:40.16 | kleanchap | Thnx |
| 03:41.32 | manganese | but alpine is still the best mail client out there (any mutt fans fancy a fight?) :-P |
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| 03:47.20 | simonlnu | i don't do email client wars ;p |
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| 04:02.25 | meLon_ | alpine :D |
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| 04:10.18 | gnat_x | would fight an email client war... but is fighting udev instead. |
| 04:11.59 | rdonx | Hmm |
| 04:12.27 | rdonx | The debian installer didn't setup the net configuration correctly |
| 04:13.01 | rdonx | resolv.conf is missing for example; cannot ping google.com at all, but can ping it by IP |
| 04:13.20 | rdonx | (I had to setup the eth0 config manually) |
| 04:13.53 | rdonx | wondering how to tell the installer in rescue mode to repeat the network installation? |
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| 04:15.09 | gnat_x | so i must be totally missing something. the rules that deal with giving devices names in /dev/disk/by-id/ are all 60- (or in the 60s), my udev rules 99-. however, if i put my script into an endless loop (not the way it will stay), i noticed that the sym link never gets created; as soon as i kill the script *poof* there it is like udev magic. |
| 04:15.36 | gnat_x | i thought the way udev worked was everything in 60s was done by the time you got to 99. |
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| 04:15.58 | simonlnu | that's what the comments say, more or less |
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| 04:30.38 | rf5 | hello! im trying to install the apache2 to host some files in my server but im not being able to access it, i already apt-get apache2 |
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| 04:31.14 | gnat_x | rf5: are you just planning on hosting that single directory, or multiple sites? |
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| 04:31.35 | rf5 | just host some files so a friend can download some stuff, single directory |
| 04:31.47 | rf5 | its a virtual server |
| 04:31.52 | rf5 | so i just have ssh access to it |
| 04:32.18 | gnat_x | rf5: so you've installed apache, what happens when you visit your server with a web browser? |
| 04:32.28 | rf5 | nothing it doesnt open. |
| 04:32.28 | gnat_x | (either by IP or domain) |
| 04:32.40 | rf5 | like if i didnt install anything. |
| 04:32.59 | gnat_x | and all you did was install apache2? |
| 04:33.09 | rf5 | yes |
| 04:33.48 | gnat_x | and apache is running? |
| 04:33.55 | rf5 | http://paste.ubuntu.com/836147/ |
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| 04:34.18 | gnat_x | looks like it. |
| 04:34.55 | gnat_x | what are you putting in to your browser something.example.com? and IP? |
| 04:35.03 | gnat_x | s/and/an |
| 04:35.06 | rf5 | just ip cause i dont have a domain on it |
| 04:35.14 | gnat_x | okay. |
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| 04:35.25 | rf5 | how do i apt-get reinstall apache2 |
| 04:35.27 | rf5 | so i can do it again |
| 04:35.31 | r3m | Hi, is it a way to boot my computer and load virtualbox automatically but without window manager? if i cant i will use a minimal wm |
| 04:35.39 | gnat_x | rf5: look in /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/ is the default setting there |
| 04:35.57 | rf5 | its blank |
| 04:35.57 | boudiccas | rf5; what happens when you run ......... cat /etc/debian_version ........... please? |
| 04:36.06 | rf5 | 6.0 |
| 04:36.14 | emss | r3m you should be able to run virtualbox without using a window manager though still requiring X since virtualbox is a gui |
| 04:36.18 | rf5 | squeeze/sid |
| 04:36.34 | gnat_x | rf5: the file is blank, or the dir? |
| 04:36.36 | boudiccas | rf5; its either one or the other, not both |
| 04:36.37 | r3m | emss: thanks |
| 04:36.39 | rf5 | ya the dir. |
| 04:36.47 | rf5 | sorry its the second one boudiccas |
| 04:37.17 | gnat_x | rf5: how about /etc/apache2/sites-available/ ? |
| 04:37.31 | rf5 | default and default-ssl |
| 04:37.39 | emss | r3m virtualbox may not play nicely like that, but you will not know till you try :) |
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| 04:37.55 | gnat_x | rf5: try "a2ensite default" |
| 04:38.20 | hikenboot | can someone tell me are vlan's specified by eth1.1 or by eth1:1? |
| 04:38.36 | rf5 | i got a enabling site default and restarted the apache2, but still didnt work |
| 04:38.44 | emss | r3m there is also kvm which is not gui based but i think are are several gui frontends for it |
| 04:39.24 | emss | kvm/qemu |
| 04:39.28 | rf5 | http://paste.ubuntu.com/836151/ |
| 04:40.25 | gnat_x | rf5: that looks like the standard install to me... and the sym link /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/default got created right? |
| 04:40.44 | gnat_x | (should point back to /etc/apache2/sites-available/default |
| 04:41.05 | rf5 | ya created a file 000-default |
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| 04:41.41 | gnat_x | rf5: and you get no error when you try to load it on a web browser? |
| 04:41.46 | Rusty1 | http://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration#Manual_config << hikenboot |
| 04:41.53 | rf5 | no error seems idk, maybe the port 80 is blocked by default? |
| 04:43.04 | gnat_x | rf5: have you tried specifying the port (ie 123.45.678.9:80) |
| 04:43.13 | rf5 | yes, didnt open |
| 04:44.00 | gnat_x | so the browser just spins and never finds anything? |
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| 04:44.16 | rf5 | ya, correct. |
| 04:44.39 | gnat_x | this doesn't feel like an apache problem to me. |
| 04:45.12 | rf5 | how do i check if the server is blocking the port 80? |
| 04:45.25 | gnat_x | you could port scan the ip with nmap |
| 04:46.19 | gnat_x | at least port 22 should be open (or an alternate ssh port) |
| 04:46.30 | rf5 | 80/tcp open http its open |
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| 04:48.54 | rf5 | gnat_x: its open lol |
| 04:49.03 | Rusty1 | and ps reports apache is in fact running? |
| 04:49.12 | gnat_x | Rusty1: yes. |
| 04:49.32 | rf5 | http://paste.ubuntu.com/836147/ |
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| 04:50.25 | hikenboot | Rusty1: thanks |
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| 04:53.14 | bogner | I seem to have accidentally installed X11 on my headless box, and it doesn't want to be removed. |
| 04:53.35 | bogner | If I try to remove x11-common, it complains that "libice6" has unmet dependencies |
| 04:53.40 | rf5 | http://paste.ubuntu.com/836161/ |
| 04:54.06 | bogner | If I try to remove libice6, it wants to install xaw3dg |
| 04:54.08 | bogner | I don't get it |
| 04:54.23 | gnat_x | rf5: hrm, the nmap says port 80 is open, so i'm willing to believe that. ps says apache is running, so i'll believe that too. the default config is enabled. i'm not sure. |
| 04:54.31 | Rusty1 | whaddabout a localhost:80 in say, lynx on the host? |
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| 04:55.01 | rf5 | Rusty1: its a virtual server so i just have ssh access to it |
| 04:55.06 | rf5 | what should i type? |
| 04:56.20 | gnat_x | rf5: you may not have a text mode browser if it is a new machine. if you have wget try "wget http://localhost:80", that should be an "It Works!" page. |
| 04:56.38 | rf5 | ya |
| 04:56.45 | rf5 | i got it, the page saying it works |
| 04:56.56 | gnat_x | okay. so apache work! |
| 04:57.07 | gnat_x | your routing however doesn't. |
| 04:57.15 | gnat_x | or something that isn't apache. |
| 04:57.18 | rf5 | ya maybe its the router of the provider or something like that? |
| 04:57.27 | rf5 | so definitely its not with my configs |
| 04:57.32 | gnat_x | that would be my guess. |
| 04:57.38 | gnat_x | not your apache configs. |
| 04:57.51 | rf5 | ok cool |
| 04:57.53 | rf5 | ill mail them |
| 04:58.02 | rf5 | thank gnat_x for ur patience |
| 04:58.04 | gnat_x | does iptables -L show that you're blocking anything? |
| 04:58.05 | rf5 | thanks |
| 04:58.07 | rf5 | letme see |
| 04:58.26 | rf5 | no nothing |
| 04:58.35 | gnat_x | yup... write that email. |
| 04:59.04 | gnat_x | and no problem. if it wasn't for patient people on irc, i wouldn't understand a ton of stuff in the way that i do. |
| 04:59.05 | Rusty1 | tou can try ssh -L in the mean time |
| 05:00.30 | gnat_x | and its a pleasant switch from problems i can't solve and barely understand, to parts of the stick i have wrapped my brain around. |
| 05:00.39 | gnat_x | s/stick/stack |
| 05:01.03 | rf5 | i think its something like router because i tried to run an irc BNC now and it doesnt let me connect to it |
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| 05:06.18 | via_ | greetings, I just installed debian and would like a non-free repository to use that does not bring me errors/conflicts |
| 05:06.44 | via_ | preferably from MIT, I tried various ones but it is not working out |
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| 05:10.01 | via_ | I tried to install some things but I kept getting messages of broken packages so I guessed that the repositories were conflicting. Or that could just be the fun of using Debian? |
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| 05:10.55 | gnat_x | via_: are all your repos pointing to the same release? (id squeeze/stable)? |
| 05:11.04 | gnat_x | s/id/ie |
| 05:12.04 | via_ | gnat_x, That is why I removed the repositories and chose to ask here. I googled the situation, but kept getting package errors, so I thought I'd ask the pros |
| 05:12.31 | gnat_x | via_: what release are you using? |
| 05:12.47 | via_ | gnat_x, Squeeze |
| 05:13.35 | via_ | stable |
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| 05:15.28 | gnat_x | via_: http://paste.debian.net/155781/ <-- that's a slightly modified version of mine. |
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| 05:16.07 | via_ | gnat_x, Ahh, thank you |
| 05:16.34 | via_ | Decided to give Debian a whirl and see what it is like |
| 05:17.07 | gnat_x | via_: you should read http://mozilla.debian.net/ if you are actually going to use the new versions... it'll tell you how. |
| 05:17.28 | gnat_x | !backports |
| 05:17.28 | dpkg | A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
| 05:17.29 | via_ | gnat_x, I want to stay away from new and keep with Stable |
| 05:17.59 | gnat_x | via_: if you need something newer... backports is where to look. |
| 05:18.24 | via_ | gnat_x, I came in from Slackware which I like a lot, and learned the importance of stability |
| 05:18.52 | gnat_x | via_: you will likely want a newer iceweasel (firefox), as the one in squeeze is 3.5, and mozilla is up to 10 or something. |
| 05:19.02 | gnat_x | via_: yeah, i like stability. |
| 05:19.25 | via_ | gnat_x, I will simply copy your repositories because my knowledge is very limited |
| 05:19.44 | gnat_x | via_: i haven't seen the newer mozillas wrecking my stability at all. |
| 05:19.50 | gnat_x | via_: that's why i pasted it. |
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| 05:20.24 | gnat_x | via_: though you can safely remove everything from #backports down -- if you're not planning on getting into backports right away. |
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| 05:47.51 | karlpinc | !tell via_ about overview |
| 05:48.02 | karlpinc | via_: ^^ since you're new. |
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| 05:49.22 | aixenv | hey guys i have a specific package i want to prevent from being installed with apt-get ; is it best to use the hold way or use apt-pinning? |
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| 05:54.16 | aixenv | should i just do it like this? echo “package hold” | dpkg --set-selections ? |
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| 05:55.55 | alfplayer | !tell aixenv about hold |
| 05:56.19 | alfplayer | aixenv: i hope that helps you |
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| 05:57.02 | aixenv | ah . so i need to use apt-pinning to prevent a pkg upgrade with apt-get |
| 05:58.22 | alfplayer | aixenv: why do you say that? |
| 05:58.41 | aixenv | ok its late im sorry i fail at reading |
| 05:58.45 | aixenv | that was just saying aptitude would ignore it |
| 05:59.12 | alfplayer | i think you need that, hold |
| 05:59.15 | alfplayer | not pinning |
| 05:59.18 | aixenv | so to cover both aptitude and apt-get i could do aptitude hold $pkg and echo “package hold” | dpkg --set-selections ? correct? |
| 05:59.36 | via_ | karlpinc, Thanks, getting a lot of train wrecks with the repositories. : - 0 |
| 06:00.08 | alfplayer | aixenv: no, thanks info is common to both aptitude and apt-get afaik |
| 06:00.38 | aixenv | well the dpkg note said that aptitude hold is ignored by others |
| 06:00.48 | aixenv | and i need to cover both aptitude and apt-get |
| 06:00.59 | aixenv | ill do some testing on one of my test boxes and see if it works |
| 06:01.27 | alfplayer | aixenv: oh, it's a bug, i didn't know that |
| 06:02.04 | aixenv | hrm that didnt work lol |
| 06:03.07 | alfplayer | aixenv: trying hold and upgrade with aptitude? |
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| 06:04.11 | aixenv | alfplayer - well both aptitude and apt-get |
| 06:04.58 | alfplayer | aixenv: did you run both commands on the dpkg message? |
| 06:05.13 | aixenv | yes |
| 06:05.50 | alfplayer | and that package you held is in the upgrade list? |
| 06:07.23 | alfplayer | he, that bug is from 2002 |
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| 06:14.04 | aixenv | alfplayer - well here's the deal, i have a server with a custom compile of a package that sadly is a part of a pre-requisite for another package, and if the system ever gets updated, it blows away the custom package, so im trying to think of the best way to prevent that depeendency from being upgraded by apt-get /aptitude so the custom program is never obliterated |
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| 06:15.12 | alfplayer | aixenv: that looks like the perfect job for hold imo |
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| 06:15.40 | aixenv | so to cover both aptitude and apt-get i could do aptitude hold $pkg and echo “package hold” | dpkg --set-selections ? correct? |
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| 06:17.26 | alfplayer | it's not supposed to be dangerous, it's a single package |
| 06:17.32 | alfplayer | i suggest you try it |
| 06:18.37 | aixenv | ya i have to find a server that has one to test with, my server is all patched |
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| 23:29.21 | teratoma | i have a machine. it has a filesystem. everything is mounted. how can i somehow mount or make up a mount for a directory and turn on acl ? |
| 23:29.49 | nsadmin | I think acl is per filesystem type |
| 23:29.51 | nsadmin | that is |
| 23:30.01 | nsadmin | some types have acls some don't |
| 23:30.26 | nsadmin | so |
| 23:30.45 | nsadmin | first choose a filesystem type that has acls the way you want |
| 23:30.46 | jhutchins_lt | Sometimes the acl is an optional feature. |
| 23:30.56 | nsadmin | right, such as on xfs |
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| 23:31.30 | nsadmin | and, he needs to choose a type before we speculate |
| 23:31.55 | teratoma | all of my mounts are ext3 |
| 23:32.11 | teratoma | already mounted. i cant unmount / and mount ext3 with acl turned on. or can i ? |
| 23:32.12 | aguitel | for what kind of pc are linux-image-3.2.0-1-rt-amd64 ? |
| 23:32.16 | nsadmin | ok, is that the type you want for the acl-enabled partition? |
| 23:32.21 | teratoma | yes |
| 23:32.31 | nsadmin | why do you want it for /? |
| 23:32.45 | joar | aguitel: I would *guess* "realtime 64-bit" but I don't even know if that would exist. |
| 23:33.07 | teratoma | a dir undir / . /var/tmp/lockfile/ is fine too |
| 23:33.12 | Belial` | aguitel: it's a low latency kernel for audio editing. |
| 23:33.15 | Belial` | and what not. |
| 23:33.17 | jhutchins_lt | !list |
| 23:33.18 | dpkg | VATTENE VIA! |
| 23:33.20 | nsadmin | oh ok |
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| 23:33.26 | joar | Belial`: Aha! It exists! |
| 23:33.35 | jhutchins_lt | Howcome it's sometimges GET OUT and sometimes a pointer to a free software list? |
| 23:33.37 | Belial` | oh no, i'm not sure if it does. haha |
| 23:33.42 | aguitel | joar, Belial` ok |
| 23:33.46 | themill | jhutchins_lt: why shouldn't it? |
| 23:33.56 | Belial` | but i figured i'd get the whole answer out of the way about the "real time" kernel before it was asked. |
| 23:34.16 | nsadmin | teratoma, a dir off of / would be much easier |
| 23:34.25 | nsadmin | plus you can experiment first |
| 23:34.38 | joar | Belial`: Yeah, but I believe there was a project on enabling real-time (near real-time?) processing in linux. |
| 23:34.50 | joar | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RTLinux |
| 23:34.55 | Belial` | yeah |
| 23:35.14 | Belial` | there's definitely a low latency kernel, but i don't know if it's that exact package. |
| 23:35.15 | jhutchins_lt | themill: I'm still trying to figure out why that's so consistently italian. |
| 23:35.40 | joar | Belial`: I can't see what else rt would stand for. Not at the moment. |
| 23:35.49 | kevlarman | the recent hrtimer kernels have pretty great latency as is |
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| 23:35.57 | Belial` | yeah, rt is definitely it. |
| 23:36.08 | kevlarman | even without an rt kernel |
| 23:38.02 | vbrummond | i think a lot of places where the kernel locks were removed in mainline even without the patches. Though probably could be more to do especially ensuring the kernel doesnt lockup on writeback or something |
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| 23:44.20 | pmpforever | How do I copy a folder in the root to home? |
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| 23:45.43 | nsadmin | pmpforever, do you need timestamps and ownerships preserved? otherwise, look into cp -a |
| 23:45.45 | cicerone | pmpforever, use "mc" as root |
| 23:46.11 | pmpforever | nsadmin: I don't need ownership preserved |
| 23:46.18 | pmpforever | I just accidentally installed it to the root |
| 23:46.28 | nsadmin | ok, look into either mc (a front end) or cp -a |
| 23:46.29 | pmpforever | I guess Ill need to change that |
| 23:46.35 | pmpforever | thanks |
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| 23:47.13 | jyc | I have a realtek r1869 card and I've installed the firmware-realtek package and rebooted, but I still am not able to get connectivity. |
| 23:47.17 | jyc | Does anyone have any ideas? |
| 23:47.51 | cicerone | 1869 seems to me wrong |
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| 23:48.09 | cicerone | do you mean 8169 or such? |
| 23:48.16 | jhutchins_lt | jyc: Does the module load? Which kernel? |
| 23:48.33 | jyc | cicerone: sorry, meant r8169. thanks for pointing that out! |
| 23:48.49 | nsadmin | jyc, look at output of ifconfig -a |
| 23:48.51 | jyc | jhutchins_lt: the module loads, and I"m on the 3.1-6 kernel for 64-bit |
| 23:49.02 | nsadmin | you'll see paragraphs and labels for each |
| 23:49.09 | nsadmin | what are the labels? |
| 23:49.20 | jyc | nsadmin: ifconfig doesn't seem to be installed. I'll copy the package over and get back to you |
| 23:49.47 | nsadmin | you'd have to run it as root or use the full path to it which is probably /sbin/ifconfig |
| 23:50.00 | nsadmin | don't forget the -a |
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| 23:50.20 | jyc | ah, that was it. alright, there is eth0, looopback, and wlan0 |
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| 23:50.39 | nsadmin | wlan0 is (one of) your net card |
| 23:50.59 | nsadmin | err, it's your wireless |
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| 23:51.24 | nsadmin | try this as root: iwlist scan wlan0 |
| 23:52.08 | jyc | nsadmin: it says "unknown command wlan0" |
| 23:52.09 | nsadmin | if that gets you interesting data, presumably the firmware is working |
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| 23:52.28 | nsadmin | ok, try just iwlist scan |
| 23:52.30 | cicerone | jyc, what happens if you run iwlist scan? |
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| 23:52.37 | jyc | if I put scan in front of wlan0, then it says the network is down |
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| 23:53.07 | nsadmin | ok, try this as root: ifconfig wlan0 up |
| 23:53.12 | nsadmin | then iwlist scan |
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| 23:53.14 | jhutchins_lt | jyc: Try ifconfig -a |
| 23:53.30 | nsadmin | he did that, that's how we found wlan0 |
| 23:53.34 | jhutchins_lt | 8168 is wired. |
| 23:53.50 | jyc | nsadmin: hm, that's saying "SIOCSIFLAGS: No such file or directory" |
| 23:53.52 | jhutchins_lt | 'scuse. |
| 23:54.16 | jyc | jhutchins_lt: strange, eth0 only seems to have an inet6 address |
| 23:54.18 | nsadmin | ok, ifconfig wlan0 down |
| 23:54.25 | nsadmin | (to put it back the way it was) |
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| 23:55.21 | jyc | alrighty |
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| 23:55.42 | nsadmin | anything I could say after this would be a guess |
| 23:55.53 | jhutchins_lt | jyc: ipv6 autoconfigures even if it doesn't have a real address. |
| 23:55.57 | jyc | hm, I guess I'll go looking in the error logs. thanks for all the help anyways! |
| 23:56.06 | jhutchins_lt | jyc: Kinda like XP will sometimes do. |
| 23:56.18 | jhutchins_lt | jyc: You probably just need to run dhclient eth0 |
| 23:56.25 | jyc | jhutchins_lt: alright, will try |
| 23:56.37 | jhutchins_lt | jyc: (And the get your system properly configured to automate this.) |
| 23:56.46 | nsadmin | jyc, there are plenty of folx that know more than I |
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| 23:56.59 | jhutchins_lt | nsadmin: You do pretty good. |
| 23:57.08 | jhutchins_lt | Different people know different stuff. |
| 23:57.22 | nsadmin | and my guesses tend to help more often than not... |
| 23:57.37 | cicerone | when you get married? :-P |
| 23:57.37 | jyc | nsadmin: thanks nonetheless! jhutchins_lt: apparently that worked. will look into the interface configuration now. thanks! |
| 23:58.09 | jhutchins_lt | jyc: I'm guessing that you need auto eth0 \n iface eth0 inet dhcp in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 23:58.26 | nsadmin | cicerone, not sure where you're going with that... but no plans at present :) |
| 23:58.30 | cicerone | good guess for realtek |
| 23:58.37 | jhutchins_lt | jyc: That, make sure you're not running network manager, and it's on to whatever breaks next! |
| 23:58.39 | cicerone | nsadmin, hehe |
| 23:58.42 | jhutchins_lt | predicts audio. |
| 23:58.56 | jyc | jhutchins_lt: haha, got it. thanks again for the help |