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| 00:05.41 | jhutchins_lt | snd-intel-hda |
| 00:06.18 | jhutchins_lt | I think I'm just gonna drop my old soundblaster in and disable motherboard sound rather than try to figure it out. |
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| 00:15.03 | Partyschaum | i connect to a remote computer using a serial over usb connection via "screen /dev/tty.usbserial-FTTMDTZFB 115200". the displayed characters are quite strange... http://pastebin.com/ECYCJxtL any hints? those normally should be a debian installer... |
| 00:17.18 | thewanderer1 | uhh, try picocom? |
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| 00:23.50 | JasonWoof | there was a bug report almost 4 years ago against chm2pdf stating that it doesn't escape filenames, and dies horribly if you pass it a filename with a space in it |
| 00:24.21 | JasonWoof | it seems upstream is aware, but not fixing it |
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| 00:24.41 | JasonWoof | I looked through the code, and it is indeed passing most of the filename (everything but the extension) to a shell interpreter without escaping it |
| 00:24.46 | JasonWoof | this is a security problem |
| 00:25.21 | JasonWoof | I think this package should be removed from debian. |
| 00:25.24 | JasonWoof | what should I do? |
| 00:25.31 | sbingner | ha. I totally fucked up my remote installation, and I wasn't sure if I could safely reboot... so I made a network console preconfigured initrd and installer linux, copied it up to the system... and kexec'd to it. and it's working, yay. |
| 00:26.08 | Lovecraft | sbingner, nice. |
| 00:26.13 | sbingner | JasonWoof, not sure but I would think you should update that bug report you were talking about |
| 00:26.52 | JasonWoof | sbingner: should I tag the bug somehow, or just use english? |
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| 00:27.49 | hivemind | ÔÅÓÔ |
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| 00:28.10 | sbingner | JasonWoof, I'm just going off what I think here - I'm not an authority on the subject... but I would think english and perhaps a patch to fix it would be good ;) |
| 00:28.23 | JasonWoof | hopefully nobody has filenames like: foo&rm -rf ~.ch |
| 00:28.27 | JasonWoof | .chm |
| 00:28.39 | hivemind | ohhhh, i'm done it! |
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| 00:31.18 | Wally | Is there a reason why I can't uninstall Abiword without it reinstalling Open Office? |
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| 00:31.49 | yamahaalex37 | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:31.50 | themill | Wally: can you pastebin a command and some output that helps us understand that? |
| 00:31.51 | yamahaalex37 | is that normal |
| 00:32.01 | Wally | themill: i'm using Synaptic GUI |
| 00:32.08 | themill | yamahaalex37: virtualmin isn't in debian; no idea. |
| 00:32.18 | Wally | Its running as a VM |
| 00:32.26 | themill | Wally: can you use aptitude instead? |
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| 00:32.45 | yamahaalex37 | themill: my virtualmin is in debian |
| 00:32.50 | Wally | I'd much prefer use a GUI but I am comfortable using aptitude I guess. |
| 00:33.14 | boudiccas | Wally; or apt-get |
| 00:33.25 | Wally | aptitude is a gui? |
| 00:33.32 | themill | Wally: just so we have some chance of seeing what you're seeing. The output of "aptitude why abiword" might help. |
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| 00:34.36 | yamahaalex37 | does 700mb sound normal for a vps with apache, mysql, and ftp services running? |
| 00:34.37 | Wally | gah copy / paste isn't working outside of the VM |
| 00:34.58 | Arafangion | yamahaalex37: Sounds small. |
| 00:35.10 | themill | ,why gnome abiword |
| 00:35.32 | yamahaalex37 | Arafangion: 700mb used ram for those services, sounds small? |
| 00:35.40 | Arafangion | yamahaalex37: Definetly. |
| 00:35.48 | yamahaalex37 | how do people manage with 256/512mb vps etc |
| 00:35.51 | vbrummond | Wally: likely due to the gnome or gnome-desktop-environment metapackages |
| 00:35.56 | judd | Packages gnome and abiword in squeeze/i386 are linked by 1 chains: gnome ▷ gnome-office ▶ abiword |
| 00:36.02 | Wally | blah |
| 00:36.03 | Arafangion | yamahaalex37: 256MB sounds tiny. :) |
| 00:36.10 | vbrummond | hah ninja'd ;) |
| 00:36.18 | yamahaalex37 | yeah, but they sell them |
| 00:36.20 | yamahaalex37 | and 512mb is popular |
| 00:36.24 | yamahaalex37 | not sure wtf u would use it for... |
| 00:36.25 | Arafangion | pats his 8 GB system. |
| 00:36.53 | Arafangion | yamahaalex37: Try it, benchmark it, if it's sufficient, great, if not, consider upgrading. |
| 00:37.01 | Arafangion | yamahaalex37: That's really all it gets down to. |
| 00:37.10 | Wally | oh removing Gnome office in synaptic seemed to do the trick |
| 00:37.28 | yamahaalex37 | i wont be worried unless i get close to using my max, 2gb |
| 00:37.37 | yamahaalex37 | just curious if 700mb was a lot to begin with |
| 00:37.43 | themill | it's perfectly feasible to have apache mysql bind etc running within 200MB of RAM |
| 00:37.55 | Arafangion | yamahaalex37: It all depends on the load and use case. |
| 00:38.04 | vbrummond | Wally: yup i had this issue before, its just like was said because gnome wants one or another office installed :) |
| 00:38.05 | Arafangion | yamahaalex37: Comparisons don't really make that much snese. |
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| 00:38.37 | Wally | Its gunna be another one of those days isn't it.. |
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| 00:38.39 | yamahaalex37 | Arafangion: i listed the use case |
| 00:38.46 | Wally | vbrummond: its silly lol |
| 00:38.54 | Arafangion | yamahaalex37: No, you listed what you were using. |
| 00:38.59 | vbrummond | simple fix though |
| 00:39.03 | Wally | Can't remove the calculator either |
| 00:39.04 | yamahaalex37 | themill: that is what i was wondering |
| 00:39.08 | yamahaalex37 | it sounds like 700mb is way too muc |
| 00:39.11 | Wally | I really need a slim line debian instal |
| 00:39.30 | Wally | meh i'll end up breaking it :P |
| 00:39.31 | Arafangion | yamahaalex37: But frankly, if you have 2GB of RAM, then /use it/. |
| 00:39.42 | Wally | Its really only to compile OpenPandora stuff |
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| 00:40.00 | themill | Wally: so why did you install gnome? |
| 00:40.02 | yamahaalex37 | Arafangion: i want to use as much of it ass posisble |
| 00:40.03 | vbrummond | Wally: this is just because the metapackage wants to be removed, if you remove gnome and gnome-desktop-environment, then mark all the "auto-removable packages" as manually installed then you can remove what you want |
| 00:40.06 | Wally | themill: I need a gui :P |
| 00:40.27 | Arafangion | heads off to lunch |
| 00:40.29 | Wally | I knew there was a trick to it. |
| 00:40.41 | Wally | Arafangion: but its only 11:40AM |
| 00:40.57 | Arafangion | Wally: It'll take 30 min for me to get there. :) |
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| 00:41.02 | Wally | haha |
| 00:41.35 | Wally | aha! |
| 00:41.47 | Wally | I owe you one vbrummond :) |
| 00:41.54 | Wally | and themill thanks :) |
| 00:42.01 | vbrummond | Wally: glad you sorted it out |
| 00:42.10 | themill | np happy hunting |
| 00:42.15 | Wally | Its been bothering me for a long time |
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| 00:42.44 | Wally | I guess now is a good time to make a VM snapshot ;) |
| 00:43.21 | Wally | oh and VMware Fusion 4 is EXTREMELY solid |
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| 00:47.14 | thewanderer1 | thanks, I like my KVM :P |
| 00:49.32 | vbrummond | <- virtualbox. I dont have vt-x/amd-vt support :'( |
| 00:50.00 | Wally | :( |
| 00:50.07 | Wally | Isn't VirtualBox mostly Java? |
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| 00:50.15 | vbrummond | c++ i thought |
| 00:50.26 | Wally | ah |
| 00:50.34 | nkuttler | should be. qt. it's just a frontend anyway, isn't it? |
| 00:51.17 | Wally | ah |
| 00:51.30 | Wally | vbrummond: one more question, I can't seem to find a thing to remove the games |
| 00:51.37 | vbrummond | gnome-games |
| 00:51.43 | Wally | ah |
| 00:51.49 | Wally | I can play games in Mac OS X :P |
| 00:52.11 | vbrummond | well removing them only really saves you disk space, but that never hurts |
| 00:52.23 | Wally | Yeah its valuable for source code. |
| 00:52.40 | Wally | Nope, not gnome games |
| 00:52.54 | Wally | Robots is one of them |
| 00:53.06 | Wally | Last time I got addicted to that :p |
| 00:53.29 | Wally | i see the games in software centre and if I click remove it doesn't remove |
| 00:53.52 | vbrummond | i dont like software centre |
| 00:53.58 | Wally | I don't either :P |
| 00:55.56 | Wally | Turns out gnome-games is tied deeply in |
| 00:55.56 | Wally | owell |
| 00:56.19 | vbrummond | on mine if i try to remove it, it only removes it |
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| 01:02.32 | engla | you have a working software-center? it's not in testing |
| 01:03.15 | Wally | engla: 6.0.4 fresh |
| 01:03.18 | Wally | Its not working :P |
| 01:03.36 | nsadmin | software-center is ubuntu tho, isn't it? did it get ported? |
| 01:04.04 | vbrummond | engla nsadmin: it is in squeeze |
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| 01:04.30 | engla | nsadmin: yeah, debian has "unbranded-software-center" |
| 01:04.41 | nsadmin | hmm. curiousity getting me... I'll take a look |
| 01:04.45 | Wally | wow the sounds are sorta like OSX's lol |
| 01:06.00 | engla | from ubunty it sounds like aptdaemon (0.43+bzr756-0ubuntu1) is needed to resolve the bug I'm getting, and that version is not in debian yet |
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| 01:06.37 | muhoo | i'm trying to install remastersys on squeeze, and it fails miserably |
| 01:06.57 | muhoo | live-initramfs package refuses to either install or uninstall |
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| 01:07.11 | muhoo | it fails complaining that /lib/libuuid1.so is not a symlink. wtf? |
| 01:07.41 | muhoo | after it fails, the machine is rendered useless, it can't reboot, i can't break out of the dependency hell. apt-get -f install fails |
| 01:07.45 | vbrummond | did you install it from the repo mentioned here? http://www.geekconnection.org/remastersys/debian.html |
| 01:07.49 | muhoo | yes |
| 01:07.56 | vbrummond | then, not sure what to say :/ |
| 01:08.00 | muhoo | i added the squeeze repo on that page to my /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 01:08.05 | vbrummond | (was making sure you didnt install from ubuntu sources) |
| 01:08.24 | muhoo | there is no irc channel for remastersys. i found a forum post from someone with my exact same problem, from years ago, with no reply :-( |
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| 01:34.11 | muhoo | oh, nm |
| 01:34.23 | muhoo | i'm an idiot. it's not debian, it's debian MINT. |
| 01:34.29 | muhoo | buggers off to mint land |
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| 02:14.33 | Foo_man_choo | Question. In a week I'm gonna head to Fry's to get a 1+ TB usb drive. Does current debian provide good support for anything I might find at fry's that will have somwhere in the 1 to 2 tb capacity usb. It will be a usb 2.0 compatible rig reading and writing to it. |
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| 02:15.27 | Foo_man_choo | I wanna limit to usb 2.0 cuz I have numerous machines that I would like to be compatible with the device. |
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| 02:18.23 | dwlocks | I've been having a lot of problems with dpkg surrounding multiarch stuff. |
| 02:18.27 | melik | hey guys, i'm getting DNS lookup errors |
| 02:18.37 | melik | i have configured a static network and i can ping everything |
| 02:18.47 | Foo_man_choo | mmMMmm manually settin up dns severs |
| 02:18.53 | Foo_man_choo | servers |
| 02:19.03 | melik | but having issues with DNS, are there any commands i cna use to diagnose |
| 02:20.01 | dwlocks | erk... this is ubuntu, but hopefully that isn't the root cause |
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| 02:20.35 | Foo_man_choo | ubuntu and deb are so extremely the same on network config right? |
| 02:20.48 | dwlocks | dpkg-query -f '${Version}\n' -W dpkg = 1.16.0-ubuntu7 |
| 02:20.51 | asarch | (A three weeks old Debian Testing DVD && apt-get update && apt-get upgrade) == (A Debian Testing DVD from this week)? |
| 02:20.58 | asarch | Is the same? |
| 02:21.01 | dwlocks | yeah, identical for network, afaik. |
| 02:21.11 | asarch | *Is it the same? |
| 02:21.30 | dwlocks | dpkg --version = 1.15.8.10ubuntu1 |
| 02:21.31 | dpkg | parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, dwlocks |
| 02:21.33 | dwlocks | wtf? |
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| 02:22.20 | dwlocks | there's a version mismatch between dpkg, the package and dpkg the executable |
| 02:22.22 | melik | never mind i discovered my problem |
| 02:22.27 | Foo_man_choo | Can you just manually assign nameservers and disable whatever proggie is auto loading into /network/resolv.conf ? |
| 02:22.34 | melik | i forgot to add the DNS entries in /etc/resolv.conf |
| 02:22.55 | melik | i added dns-nameservers x.x.x.x x.x.xx in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 02:22.57 | melik | but that was failing |
| 02:22.58 | Foo_man_choo | oh yeah... /got/the/dir/wrong |
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| 02:23.49 | Foo_man_choo | When troubleshooting... nameserver 8.8.8.8 for a quick check |
| 02:23.58 | Foo_man_choo | google nameserver |
| 02:24.17 | Foo_man_choo | at least 4 me |
| 02:24.20 | melik | oh thanks :) |
| 02:24.43 | Foo_man_choo | their second is 8.8.4.4 |
| 02:25.10 | simonlnu | dwlocks: #ubuntu is that way >> |
| 02:25.52 | dwlocks | simonlnu: yeah, I'm checking if my debian 6 has the same issue.... |
| 02:26.22 | Foo_man_choo | Anywho..... Current stable deb... Support anything usb external storage 2.0 no matter what? |
| 02:27.36 | simonlnu | external, as in a case? |
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| 02:28.14 | Foo_man_choo | However it comes.. I wanna find out if there is anything I should avoid. I'm looking for >1 tb and less than or equal to 2tb |
| 02:28.31 | Foo_man_choo | Just curious if current stable pretty much supports anythiung out there |
| 02:29.03 | Foo_man_choo | but yes.. external case with either 2.5 or 3.5 form factor drive/drives in it |
| 02:29.16 | simonlnu | i've heard of some folks having issues if it's an external case, and not just a stick, but that's usually the case/sata/usb issues and bad junky h/w |
| 02:29.19 | Foo_man_choo | I need to get REAL mobile REAL soon |
| 02:29.32 | Foo_man_choo | and that means getting alot of media on a portable drive fast |
| 02:29.53 | Foo_man_choo | junky a problem.. ok |
| 02:30.01 | Foo_man_choo | I can spend some bank no problem |
| 02:30.17 | Foo_man_choo | 1 week from now I'm gonna be backing up a LOT of media |
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| 02:30.53 | simonlnu | you'll probably want something a bit better then anyway |
| 02:31.01 | Foo_man_choo | yep yep |
| 02:31.20 | Foo_man_choo | I can spend a couple hundred bux no problem |
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| 02:31.40 | Foo_man_choo | Just don't wanna dump that bank on something that isn't supported by my deb rigs |
| 02:31.54 | Foo_man_choo | I spend 85% of my time in linux |
| 02:32.02 | Foo_man_choo | the rest in windows 7 |
| 02:32.05 | simonlnu | 100% here |
| 02:32.49 | Foo_man_choo | some websites I visit... Samsung service, Sony service, Onkyo service.. require windows binaries in windows to be browsed |
| 02:33.07 | Foo_man_choo | Otherwise I'm all linux |
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| 02:33.25 | Foo_man_choo | I service Home Theater |
| 02:33.41 | simonlnu | oh, yeh. not much choice there |
| 02:33.57 | mosno | pretty sad that the web is the one thing holding you back |
| 02:33.59 | Foo_man_choo | wish my tablet could do what I want but yeah... same problem... Their web monkeys back people into corners |
| 02:34.02 | mosno | the web, of all things |
| 02:34.07 | Foo_man_choo | hehe |
| 02:34.25 | simonlnu | irony alert |
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| 02:35.12 | Foo_man_choo | Oh... And these manufacturers write they firmware update proggies for windows..... So I run an emulator or I reboot my dual boot rig to do the job. |
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| 02:36.44 | Foo_man_choo | Eventually I'm gonna just get an old pc set up with XP and just have that setting next to my workstation so I can be in linux yet flash eeproms with windows specific appy's |
| 02:38.02 | Foo_man_choo | btw.... panasonic, onkyo, sony, samsung, aiwa are the biggest nuisances for me. most websites do fine in whatever browser/ whatever OS |
| 02:38.13 | Foo_man_choo | OooooOO |
| 02:38.16 | WormFood | Foo_man_choo, what is what I did, when I had a lot of hardware programming to do, but only had winblows specific programs |
| 02:38.16 | Foo_man_choo | and Philips |
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| 02:38.21 | Foo_man_choo | omg philips |
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| 02:38.51 | Foo_man_choo | S/THAT/WHAT right? |
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| 02:39.04 | WormFood | Foo_man_choo, have you checked out vmware? It is pretty good about dealing with hardware |
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| 02:39.29 | Foo_man_choo | virtualmachine... yeah.. |
| 02:39.56 | WormFood | I've been using vmware since version 1 for the times that I need to use winblows under Linux. |
| 02:40.02 | simonlnu | or virtualbox |
| 02:40.07 | Foo_man_choo | hehe |
| 02:40.10 | WormFood | it is actually more handy than a real computer |
| 02:40.13 | Foo_man_choo | I still use virtual box |
| 02:40.25 | Foo_man_choo | with a really REALLY long set of switches |
| 02:40.38 | Foo_man_choo | to run a proggie called 'SERVICE' under debian |
| 02:40.41 | WormFood | I support windows for my customers, but don't actually use it at home....so I need to have this shit on my computer. |
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| 02:40.54 | Foo_man_choo | Boss wtill thinks that if anything goes wrong it's my fault |
| 02:40.58 | Foo_man_choo | cuz I run linux |
| 02:41.02 | Foo_man_choo | but yeah. |
| 02:41.19 | Foo_man_choo | vb ft3w |
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| 02:41.38 | WormFood | and vmware will also run OSX too, because I support that crap too....so that is really nice, because I don't own a real apple computer, and a hackintosh isn't the same for some things....do any of the other (free) virtual computers support osx? |
| 02:41.46 | Foo_man_choo | samba to mount an ancient server's database |
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| 02:42.01 | Foo_man_choo | wait... lol |
| 02:42.11 | Foo_man_choo | I use DOSBOX to run Service |
| 02:42.14 | Foo_man_choo | wow |
| 02:42.20 | Foo_man_choo | OLD software |
| 02:43.21 | Foo_man_choo | dosbox with a shortcut with a ton of switches in the appy engagement. |
| 02:43.43 | Foo_man_choo | what was that sun virtual machine. |
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| 02:43.50 | Foo_man_choo | I used to use that for xp in debian |
| 02:44.11 | Foo_man_choo | brb |
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| 02:46.14 | Foo_man_choo | back... |
| 02:47.29 | Foo_man_choo | well... Ok.... if I buy half decent hardware... I can get a 1 to 2 tb external hdd/case combo that should read fine in deb current stable? |
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| 02:48.00 | Foo_man_choo | runs off to take his contacts out |
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| 02:48.58 | simonlnu | Foo_man_choo: very likely |
| 02:50.23 | Foo_man_choo | Thanks |
| 02:50.25 | Foo_man_choo | ! |
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| 03:03.31 | martianlobster1 | I could have sworn there was some option I could pass to cp, so that it wouldn't copy anything, but instead would just print what it would do. I can't find the option on the man page. Am I missing something? Does anyone know what that flag is? |
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| 03:07.32 | cyfi | cp -rf * |
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| 03:09.51 | martianlobster1 | hmmm ok thanks |
| 03:10.24 | martianlobster1 | -f, --forceif an existing destination file cannot be opened, remove it and try again |
| 03:10.45 | martianlobster1 | I was hoping for something that would just print a line, of what it would do, and not actually do anything |
| 03:11.03 | martianlobster1 | I have some large directory trees to copy recursively |
| 03:11.22 | cyfi | oh.. |
| 03:11.46 | cyfi | you could make quick perl script or something for that |
| 03:12.25 | martianlobster1 | Ye, I think that is what I am going to do |
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| 03:12.51 | martianlobster1 | and I am doing a tar czvf backup.tar.gz rootdirecotoryname, in case I mess up the tree |
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| 03:27.39 | larks | sort of OT but not really, I got an account created for me on a remoted system and the guy said the init password was the ?the standarrd first passsword" and I've tried my username |
| 03:27.46 | larks | any ideas? |
| 03:28.17 | larks | I sort of feel stupid for asking this but I've always created my own accounts before >_>; |
| 03:28.32 | simonlnu | password? 1234? |
| 03:29.05 | bellman | how do u print the rootpass... is it su -vvvv ? |
| 03:29.21 | simonlnu | i have no idea what it is, but there's a list of the 50 most common stupid passwords. maybe it's the first one there. ;p |
| 03:29.32 | simonlnu | bellman: what? |
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| 03:29.40 | larks | password didn't work, but I may already be banned via denyhosts, time to check it on my phone! |
| 03:29.44 | simonlnu | bellman: man su |
| 03:29.53 | bellman | how do u print the root password to the terminal |
| 03:30.08 | simonlnu | you don't? |
| 03:30.13 | cardamon | you don't! |
| 03:30.22 | dvs | you can't |
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| 03:30.55 | cardamon | Imagine if you could. Dogs and cats, living together...Mass Hysteria! |
| 03:30.56 | simonlnu | (never mind, can't, even if you could, i wouldn't) |
| 03:31.09 | simonlnu | erm, "never mind can't" |
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| 03:31.54 | larks | yeah, password doesn't work >_>; |
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| 03:32.34 | cardamon | simonlnu: Especially since the only logical permissive criteria for something like that would be the root password...in which case why would you need to print what you need TO print? |
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| 03:32.43 | cardamon | caps for inflection. |
| 03:33.30 | simonlnu | no kidding. you already know it. 'nough said. |
| 03:33.46 | cardamon | mine is a single user box. I just went with a blank password and if I want to go root I sudo su. |
| 03:34.20 | larks | blank password? D= |
| 03:34.52 | cardamon | well, it goes in blank |
| 03:35.01 | cardamon | but believe me, whatever it is, it's not blank. |
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| 03:39.13 | nutron | what's the "default" method to encrypt a bootable volume in deb? |
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| 04:18.58 | takahiro | how would i allow other computers in my network access to the internet through my debian box? |
| 04:19.50 | takahiro | i got the connected to the point where the other computer can ping the debian box on the local network ip |
| 04:20.17 | takahiro | but other stuff like pinging internet addresses still don't go through |
| 04:20.30 | somiaj | takahiro: you can use iptables to enable a NAT and use your debianbox like a router. Not sure if there any tools to do this for you automatically, but lots of howtos on the net |
| 04:20.45 | Frijolenborg | Anybody here think that niggers are human? |
| 04:20.46 | Frijolenborg | I don't! |
| 04:20.52 | Frijolenborg | That is why I joined Chimpout Forum! |
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| 04:21.08 | somiaj | takahiro: though any reason you want use your debian box as a router as opposed to just a hardware router? |
| 04:21.20 | takahiro | somiaj: i have a hardware router too |
| 04:21.40 | Frijolenborg | What do you think about niggers somiaj? |
| 04:21.43 | takahiro | somiaj: but the internet access is connected to the debian box via a usb modem |
| 04:21.46 | Frijolenborg | What do you think about niggers takahiro? |
| 04:22.19 | takahiro | somiaj: i then connect both the debian pc and the other pc to the router so that they are all on the same network |
| 04:22.23 | somiaj | !ops Frijolenborg |
| 04:22.24 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: somiaj complains about: Frijolenborg |
| 04:22.48 | somiaj | takahiro: I'll see if I can find a concies howto, again there may be a tool that makes this easier, but setting up iptables isn't that hard |
| 04:22.59 | takahiro | somiaj, cool |
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| 04:23.59 | somiaj | takahiro: http://imranasghar.blogspot.com/2009/09/how-to-make-ubuntudebian-as-router.html (seems fairly straight forward and has you set up a dhcp server so it acts just liek a router) |
| 04:24.34 | takahiro | is this one accurate? http://wiki.debian.org/BridgeNetworkConnections |
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| 04:24.56 | takahiro | somiaj, but the router already has a dhcp server |
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| 04:25.32 | grape_ | greetings, could someone please give me a source for debian squeeze (stable) non free? |
| 04:25.36 | somiaj | takahiro: yea then you can skip that step, that is for if you wanted it to be a router, note that option may be better if you want to access your debian box on the local network a bit easier (and not have a hardware router also between you and the rest the house) |
| 04:26.01 | somiaj | takahiro: you want a NAT setup to to masquarde, as opposed to a bridge, so your link isn't really what you want to set up |
| 04:26.02 | peterS | grape_: deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian stable non-free |
| 04:26.13 | somiaj | peterS: thanks, (: |
| 04:26.14 | grape_ | peterS, Thank you |
| 04:26.18 | peterS | grape_: or just add 'non-free' to the line you already have with 'main' in it |
| 04:26.49 | takahiro | somiaj, well the other computer is on wireless that's why it's hooked up to the hardware router |
| 04:27.31 | grape_ | PeterS "Failed to fetch http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/squeeze/updates/main/source/Sources.gz 404 Not Found [IP: 64.50.233.100 80]" |
| 04:27.51 | peterS | grape_: where did you get the 'updates'? That's not in the line I gave you |
| 04:28.15 | peterS | that's what you'd get if you said deb-src http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian squeeze/updates main |
| 04:28.37 | peterS | which is wrong. squeeze/updates is valid for http://security.debian.org/ but not the main archive. |
| 04:28.44 | takahiro | i went to that webpage you linked to me, and all i see is a spinning orange gear |
| 04:28.48 | takahiro | and there's no web page |
| 04:29.21 | somiaj | the page loads after the gear, anyways it was more than you need |
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| 04:30.19 | takahiro | wow iptables is COMPLEX |
| 04:30.28 | grape_ | peterS, What do I remove, these were default sources when I installed Debin |
| 04:30.29 | takahiro | i think it will take me years to figure it out |
| 04:30.31 | grape_ | Debian |
| 04:30.41 | Mr_Queue_ | BTS down? |
| 04:31.17 | peterS | grape_: the line with ftp.us.debian.org on it should say squeeze, not squeeze/updates. The line with security.debian.org should say squeeze/updates but the second word is http://security.debian.org, not http://security.debian.org/debian. |
| 04:31.18 | somiaj | Mr_Queue_: it is working for me |
| 04:31.24 | takahiro | i wish there was a friendly tool that made it easy to set up network connections |
| 04:31.56 | takahiro | i'll see what i can do with iptables |
| 04:31.58 | grape_ | peterS, Thanks, I will change. My install is very fresh and I am learning here |
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| 04:32.23 | somiaj | takahiro: do you have everything else set up, your debian box is on the net, and is the router set up so someone on the router can connect to your debian box? |
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| 04:32.30 | somiaj | takahiro: if that is all setup the rest is a few lines. |
| 04:33.09 | takahiro | yep |
| 04:33.17 | takahiro | let me first become an expert on ipchains |
| 04:33.25 | takahiro | thats what i need i think |
| 04:33.31 | somiaj | takahiro: no, iptables replaces ipchains |
| 04:33.45 | takahiro | ok i have a long ways to go lol |
| 04:33.58 | somiaj | takahiro: anyways, what is the name of your network connenction interface and what is the name of the interface connencted to the router? |
| 04:34.01 | takahiro | ipchains are a chain of rules right? |
| 04:34.28 | takahiro | eth1 is internet, eth0 is local network (192.168.2.2 is debian) |
| 04:34.56 | peterS | takahiro: right, that's why it was called that. iptables is multiple "tables", each of which is a chain of rules. I guess that's why it's called iptables. but anyway ... don't waste your time with ipchains, it's dead and gone |
| 04:35.32 | takahiro | hmm |
| 04:35.39 | takahiro | okay |
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| 04:35.48 | Mr_Queue_ | somiaj: thanks.. |
| 04:36.11 | peterS | I thought I heard recent linux kernels have an implementation of pf from BSD. great, just what we need, yet another interface for this stuff. |
| 04:37.28 | takahiro | hmm |
| 04:37.38 | peterS | I'm probably wrong, I don't see any modules in Debian's 3.2 build that look like pf support |
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| 04:38.41 | somiaj | takahiro: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/23 -- looks like a minimial simple config |
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| 04:39.35 | somiaj | takahiro: actually that script he has there uses eth0 has the internet network and eth1 as the externam network just like yourset, y ou may be able to just copy that script over to your machine and run it as root and it work |
| 04:39.47 | somiaj | takahiro: that looks like the simple set up I had when I played with this years ago. |
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| 04:40.24 | takahiro | ok |
| 04:40.31 | takahiro | i don't understand any of that lol |
| 04:40.43 | takahiro | give me a few months (?) to digest that page |
| 04:40.48 | peterS | man, I hate this approach of writing a script to run iptables commands at boot time |
| 04:40.53 | peterS | I see it all over the place |
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| 04:41.17 | somiaj | peterS: the suggestion on that page is bind it to ifupdown and run it when the interfaces are up. |
| 04:41.25 | somiaj | really takahiro needs a nice tool to do it for him |
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| 04:42.11 | somiaj | takahiro: well if you want to experiement, you could probabaly copy that script that starts under 'This leaves us with a script something like this:' -- you migth be able to just copy that script, run it as root and have your computer sharing its internet |
| 04:42.30 | peterS | somiaj: I've really come to prefer 'pre-up iptables-restore /etc/network/iptables.rules' in the interfaces file. /etc/network/iptables.rules is created with 'iptables-save' and then maintained directly as a text file thereafter. |
| 04:43.32 | peterS | somiaj: syntax is very similar to the iptables command line but of course you can skip the word 'iptables' on each line. _and_ you don't have to worry about those flush commands. _and_ each table is processed atomically, the whole thing either succeeds or fails at a single instant. |
| 04:44.12 | somiaj | also makes managing it a lot easier, just monkey around with iptables until it is setup like you like, resave the file (as opposed to then modifing the script by hand each time) |
| 04:44.26 | peterS | well, you can do that if you want |
| 04:44.43 | peterS | I prefer to edit the file, then rerun 'iptables-restore' on it. It's just as quick and easy as running iptables by hand. |
| 04:44.47 | somiaj | I've been happy with a cheap hardware router and haven't had to mess with iptables. |
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| 04:45.30 | peterS | <save file> <rerun 'iptables-restore iptables.rules'> is just as fast as a debug/test cycle as manually running iptables commands |
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| 04:46.25 | peterS | hmmm I see the script on debian-administration.org also does 'echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward'. But that's a job for /etc/sysctl.conf. |
| 04:47.08 | somiaj | hmm, looks like there use to be a package 'ipmasq' that would do that all for a novice user, but not seeing it in the repo anymore |
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| 04:49.52 | takahiro | hmm |
| 04:50.21 | takahiro | well i got banned from ##networking lol |
| 04:50.28 | somiaj | well the documation I've seen is fairly bad goes from 'here is a quick way to get it working' like that debian-adminstration.org link, or gives you a full run down of how iptables works first. |
| 04:50.29 | takahiro | hint, don't ask them about iptables |
| 04:50.34 | takahiro | it makes them angry |
| 04:50.40 | somiaj | do they send you to #netfilter |
| 04:50.49 | takahiro | nope |
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| 04:51.11 | somiaj | takahiro: did you try to just copy that script, and run it as root? |
| 04:51.14 | takahiro | should i try to figure out how to configure iptables first, or NAT first? |
| 04:51.21 | takahiro | somiaj, not yet |
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| 04:51.40 | takahiro | somiaj, i think i have to change the parameters right? |
| 04:51.45 | somiaj | takahiro: provided you have eth0 set up to the internet and eth1 setup to the internet network just fine it *should* work |
| 04:52.03 | takahiro | mine is the other way |
| 04:52.17 | takahiro | eth1 is the internet, and eth0 is the LAN |
| 04:52.47 | takahiro | i also don't think i should delete all the rules |
| 04:52.55 | takahiro | is there a way to backup the rules before i delete them? |
| 04:53.18 | somiaj | takahiro: have you written any rules, by default there are none. |
| 04:53.39 | takahiro | i'm not sure, that's why i'm trying to learn how this iptables thing works |
| 04:53.49 | somiaj | takahiro: then you just need to make all occures of eth0 to eth1 and visa versa |
| 04:54.08 | takahiro | what is netfilter? |
| 04:54.57 | takahiro | this is why it's so hard to read the wikipedia |
| 04:55.07 | takahiro | every concept leads me down like an infinite road of dependent concepts |
| 04:55.15 | takahiro | and it's hard to figure out where to start |
| 04:55.30 | takahiro | all this to just get my laptop internet access working |
| 04:55.48 | takahiro | oh well... |
| 04:55.51 | somiaj | Which is why I pointed you at a script that basically set up to do that for you |
| 04:55.55 | somiaj | with a slight modification |
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| 04:56.34 | takahiro | ok |
| 04:56.43 | takahiro | is it hard to undo the script in case it breaks my network connection? |
| 04:56.53 | takahiro | it took me a long time just to get the internet access working |
| 04:57.02 | takahiro | i am afraid to break it because i won't be able to fix it |
| 04:57.09 | takahiro | i won't have internet access at all anymore |
| 04:57.31 | somiaj | takahiro: not really, there is nothing in that script that is persistant, soa reboot sets you back up to your defaults |
| 04:57.38 | takahiro | ok cool |
| 04:57.42 | takahiro | let me try it then |
| 04:57.42 | somiaj | takahiro: just don't copy that script anywhere to get run at boot. Make sure it works first |
| 04:58.10 | takahiro | do i need root access ? |
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| 04:58.52 | somiaj | takahiro: yes you will want to run that script as root |
| 04:59.09 | somiaj | takahiro: again make sure you swap eth0 for eth1 and visa versa since your setup is backwards of his |
| 04:59.47 | somiaj | takahiro: again just to make sure, he is using eth0 = internel network and eth1 = external(internet) |
| 05:00.32 | takahiro | ok ran it |
| 05:00.53 | takahiro | it gave me an error |
| 05:01.00 | somiaj | takahiro: what error? |
| 05:01.10 | takahiro | Using intrapositioned negation (`--option ! this`) is deprecated in favor of extrapositioned (`! --option this`). |
| 05:01.58 | somiaj | it wants you to change the line "iptables -A INPUT -m state --state NEW -i ! eth1 -j ACCEPT" to "iptables -A INPUT -m state --state NEW ! -i eth1 -j ACCEPT |
| 05:02.12 | takahiro | ok should i change it and run it again? |
| 05:02.27 | somiaj | one second |
| 05:03.11 | somiaj | takahiro: put the output of 'iptables --list' on a pastebin |
| 05:05.02 | takahiro | copy paste drives me nuts on linux |
| 05:05.15 | takahiro | everytime i highlight something, it destroys what i copied |
| 05:05.23 | somiaj | takahiro: you shouldn't have to rerun the script, that looks more like a warning than an error. So I don't think you need to rerun the script, just fix it |
| 05:05.36 | somiaj | takahiro: hmm, I find it the other way around, hitting ctrl-C to copy is extra pain |
| 05:05.52 | takahiro | http://dpaste.org/Kergb/ |
| 05:05.59 | somiaj | though I need to figure out that package to install as the multiple clipboars is annoying |
| 05:06.17 | takahiro | i downloaded clipboard manager |
| 05:06.20 | takahiro | but the hotkey doesn't work |
| 05:06.52 | somiaj | takahiro: ok now 'iptables -t nat list' |
| 05:07.11 | takahiro | Bad argument list |
| 05:07.20 | somiaj | sorry, itptables -t nat --list |
| 05:07.30 | somiaj | well iptables spelled correctly |
| 05:07.59 | takahiro | http://dpaste.org/NVv9U/ |
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| 05:10.04 | somiaj | takahiro: looks ok, now do some testing, note you should test with only ips as you may not have dns on your internal network just yet |
| 05:10.30 | takahiro | ok |
| 05:10.33 | somiaj | takahiro: see if you can ping the debian box and ping some other ip on the internet from a computer on your lan |
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| 05:11.07 | takahiro | yup i can ping the debian box |
| 05:11.09 | takahiro | that always worked |
| 05:11.23 | takahiro | i just couldn't get it to ping outside the lan |
| 05:11.30 | grape_ | My wifi card is playing peekaboo. Sometimes when I type lspci my wifi card shows up and sometimes it does not. Currently it does not. Any ideas? |
| 05:11.55 | takahiro | grape_, that happens with some of my usb devices |
| 05:12.38 | grape_ | the card is internal |
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| 05:12.54 | takahiro | somiaj, so the script is broken? |
| 05:13.07 | takahiro | i don't know what to do |
| 05:13.40 | somiaj | takahiro: can you ping the ip from the debian box just fine (just makeing sure you didn't pick a bad ip to ping) |
| 05:13.51 | takahiro | yeap |
| 05:13.57 | somiaj | takahiro: the outside one, also you switched eth0 and eth1 to correctly match your network? |
| 05:13.58 | takahiro | i can ping 8.8.8.8 |
| 05:14.06 | takahiro | yeah i changed the script |
| 05:14.27 | somiaj | takahiro: cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward (that says 1) |
| 05:14.34 | peterS | takahiro: I haven't been following this whole time. have you enabled ip_forward? 'cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward' |
| 05:14.41 | peterS | ha, somiaj beat me to it |
| 05:14.52 | takahiro | yep |
| 05:14.54 | takahiro | it says 1 |
| 05:15.12 | takahiro | i also set the gateway on the laptop to the debian IP address |
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| 05:15.42 | somiaj | takahiro: oh I just noticed an error in his script, "iptables -A FORWARD -i eth1 -o eth1 -j REJECT" -- he used eth1 twice |
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| 05:16.21 | peterS | the MASQUERADE in the nat POSTROUTING table should be sufficient without any rules in the default table at all. try it. iptables -F INPUT; iptables -F FORWARD |
| 05:16.31 | peterS | if that works, then think about putting those other rules back in |
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| 05:16.48 | takahiro | huh |
| 05:17.07 | takahiro | so replace the MASQUERADE with FORWARD? |
| 05:17.08 | somiaj | good call peterS, flush your other tables like he suggested. Lets get masq working before we worry about basic security rules. |
| 05:17.26 | somiaj | no just run 'iptables -F INPUT; iptables -F FORWARD' and retry to ping the outside world |
| 05:17.37 | takahiro | ok |
| 05:18.11 | takahiro | still nothing... ICMP timeout |
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| 05:19.56 | takahiro | does the router need to be configured differently? |
| 05:20.11 | takahiro | or do i need to make the debian box the wan connection? |
| 05:20.19 | somiaj | takahiro: is the router even routing, all the machines are on the internal part? |
| 05:20.22 | takahiro | right now it's connected to a LAN port |
| 05:20.28 | takahiro | yeah |
| 05:20.36 | takahiro | all the machines are on the internal part |
| 05:20.43 | takahiro | and i have nothing connected to the WAN port on the router |
| 05:20.49 | takahiro | also all machines can ping each other |
| 05:21.00 | takahiro | i can ping the router (192.168.2.1) and the laptop (192.168.2.8) from debian |
| 05:21.19 | takahiro | and the laptop can also ping the router (192.168.2.1) and the debian box (192.168.2.2) |
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| 05:21.46 | peterS | takahiro: I would start fresh. create a text file with 4 lines in it: *nat :POSTROUTING ACCEPT [0:0] -A POSTROUTING -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE COMMIT (those are 4 separate lines.) The eth0 is your _external_ interface, maybe it is eth1 for you |
| 05:21.55 | peterS | takahiro: save that 4-line text file, then run 'iptables-restore {filename}' |
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| 05:22.00 | somiaj | well then the router is just being a fancy switch, though I'm unsure if it would complicate things as it might be trying to send external requests to the wlan port. |
| 05:22.22 | takahiro | somiaj: it worked with Windows 7 Internet Connection Sharing |
| 05:22.30 | takahiro | somiaj: back when i had windows |
| 05:22.40 | somiaj | takahiro: follow peterS suggestion |
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| 05:23.00 | somiaj | (though as a strange side note setting up my first IPMASQ is why I started using debian in 2000) |
| 05:23.15 | peterS | it really should be as simple as that 4-line file .... |
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| 05:24.00 | takahiro | http://dpaste.org/8wY0w/ |
| 05:24.01 | lemar8 | any issues with the new Icedove recently pushed ? |
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| 05:24.25 | takahiro | now run that file on iptables-restore share-1.txt ? |
| 05:24.25 | peterS | takahiro: yes. try it: iptables-restore share-1.txt |
| 05:24.28 | somiaj | lemar8: have you checked the annoucment or bts. Sure known issues would be there. |
| 05:24.50 | takahiro | it says: iptables-restore: line 1 failed |
| 05:25.03 | peterS | takahiro: ahh - the *nat line has a space. remove the space |
| 05:25.21 | lemar8 | somiaj: not yet, just installed the update in stable and now it's erroring up on startup with a "symbol lookup error" |
| 05:25.25 | takahiro | Bad argument `COMMIT` Error occurred at line: 4 |
| 05:25.48 | peterS | bad argument, really? I wonder what that's about |
| 05:26.17 | takahiro | i have no idea |
| 05:26.19 | somiaj | lemar8: I'd check the bts |
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| 05:26.29 | lemar8 | somiaj: thank you |
| 05:26.54 | somiaj | lemar8: and by installed the update, you mean the one on security.debian.org I hope. (: |
| 05:27.23 | lemar8 | yes, the recent binary package just pushed |
| 05:27.52 | peterS | takahiro: http://dpaste.org/WasxW/ - it works for me |
| 05:28.06 | somiaj | yea I recall seeing the DSA lemar8 |
| 05:28.44 | peterS | takahiro: makes me wonder if your file is missing a line ending at the end of the file, or something silly like that |
| 05:29.34 | takahiro | ah |
| 05:29.37 | takahiro | i had a space after COMMIT |
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| 05:30.16 | takahiro | still no connection on the laptop |
| 05:30.28 | peterS | takahiro: hmmm, let me have another look. I may have given you an invalid test case. |
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| 05:31.39 | takahiro | eth0 is 192.168.2.2 |
| 05:31.41 | takahiro | is that okay? |
| 05:32.50 | peterS | takahiro: is that the internal side or the external side? |
| 05:33.03 | takahiro | internal side |
| 05:33.04 | peterS | the -o argument needs to be the external side |
| 05:33.36 | takahiro | trying again with eth1 |
| 05:33.52 | takahiro | OOHHH it worrrrrrrks |
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| 05:34.08 | takahiro | i can ping the internetz |
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| 05:34.31 | peterS | takahiro: ok so now that that works, do this: iptables-save test.txt |
| 05:34.34 | takahiro | ohh but no DNS |
| 05:34.50 | takahiro | Unknown arguments found on commandline |
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| 05:35.08 | peterS | takahiro: oh, sorry, iptables-save > test.txt |
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| 05:35.29 | peterS | it will produce a file of the same format as the one I had you write by hand, but a more complete version |
| 05:35.39 | peterS | this more complete version _may_ be required if you're just bringing this stuff up at boot time |
| 05:36.11 | takahiro | cool |
| 05:36.35 | peterS | takahiro: what I suggest is to save that file - I call mine /etc/network/iptables.rules - and add a line to /etc/network/interfaces under either 'iface eth0' or 'iface eth1' or both: pre-up iptables-restore /etc/network/iptables.rules |
| 05:36.48 | peterS | takahiro: pre-up means 'run the following command just before bringing a given interface up' |
| 05:37.03 | peterS | or really, post-up is fine too, I've used that before |
| 05:37.36 | takahiro | ok |
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| 05:37.57 | takahiro | so what do i need to make it ping google? |
| 05:38.02 | peterS | takahiro: the other thing to do is to edit /etc/sysctl.conf to add 'net.ipv4.ip_forward = 1' (I think there's a commented-out line like that in there somewhere, or you can just add it to the end) |
| 05:38.05 | takahiro | is that another complex step? |
| 05:38.17 | peterS | wait, you said it works already |
| 05:38.22 | peterS | but you said DNS didn't work |
| 05:38.27 | peterS | is that correct? |
| 05:38.33 | takahiro | yeah i can ping 8.8.8.8 but not www.google.com |
| 05:38.46 | peterS | so, on the client box, what does /etc/resolv.conf say for 'nameserver' lines? |
| 05:38.57 | takahiro | the client box is a mac |
| 05:39.07 | takahiro | and i set the gateway to 192.168.2.2 |
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| 05:39.15 | peterS | ummm, so, uh, whatever Mac OS has for DNS server configuration |
| 05:39.26 | takahiro | i also set the /etc/resolv.conf on the mac to nameserver 192.168.2.2 |
| 05:39.31 | takahiro | but that didn't help |
| 05:39.42 | peterS | no, 192.168.2.2 is your debian box, right? that probalby isn't running a DNS server |
| 05:39.53 | peterS | set it to whatever /etc/resolv.conf on the debian box has in it |
| 05:40.04 | takahiro | ah okay |
| 05:40.08 | peterS | or, I mean, you _can_ run a DNS server on the debian box. but you don't have to. |
| 05:40.15 | takahiro | is there a way to forward it? |
| 05:40.37 | peterS | only if the Mac client is using DHCP |
| 05:40.38 | takahiro | so that other computers who want to use the network don't have to configure that |
| 05:40.45 | takahiro | oh i see |
| 05:40.47 | peterS | then the DHCP server can specify a list of DNS servers |
| 05:40.59 | peterS | and every client that uses DHCP will use that same list |
| 05:40.59 | takahiro | ohh so i can set that on the hardware router i suppose |
| 05:41.10 | takahiro | i have to decide which is more work |
| 05:41.19 | Moebius | question |
| 05:41.26 | peterS | well, yes ... but if the Mac is behind a separate NAT like you're doing there, it won't be using DHCP from the router |
| 05:41.36 | Moebius | why does metacity's compositing manager cause some tray probs, mainly Wine tray issue? |
| 05:42.09 | peterS | Moebius: I don't use metacity, gnome, or compositing, so I hope someone else here can answer (: |
| 05:42.14 | Moebius | actually, almost all WMs cause tray to behave weird, mutter, compiz, metacity (under compositing manager) |
| 05:42.20 | Moebius | peterS, it's alright |
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| 05:43.49 | takahiro | i will go ask in the mac forum... /etc/resolv.conf isnt working even with the new ips |
| 05:44.14 | peterS | takahiro: I'm sure there's a GUI way to set up a list of nameservers on OS X.... |
| 05:44.31 | takahiro | yeah i have OS X Lion |
| 05:44.54 | takahiro | i'll have to see if any of my mac friends are awake |
| 05:44.55 | peterS | I don't know how, as I don't use OS X, but yeah, an OS X forum will be able to tell you |
| 05:45.23 | Moebius | so yeah.. for example.. when running compositing manager i may minimize/maximize tray of an app that's running under Wine and both panels dissappear. |
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| 05:47.33 | Moebius | compiz also has a little impact on wine tray... not that crucial, but still... when i minimize it, the tab still remains on the task panel until i click on it and it dissappears... |
| 05:48.08 | Moebius | sole metacity with no compositing manager on is perfect. None of such stuff. |
| 05:48.24 | Moebius | so the question is... why such "cool" things can't handle simple stuff... |
| 05:48.48 | Moebius | that has always confused me.. |
| 05:49.03 | Moebius | the richer it is the more troubles you get. |
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| 05:50.51 | Moebius | well.. actually Wine allegedly shouldn't work properly with sophisticated WM's, that's true. |
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| 05:52.19 | aristarchus | what is a good way to solve a "/dev/dsp: No such file or directory" error? |
| 05:52.29 | aristarchus | i have a soundcard that works fine with most programs |
| 05:52.41 | kevlarman | aristarchus: what program is this? |
| 05:53.00 | aristarchus | kevlarman: snes9x |
| 05:53.07 | peterS | aristarchus: the program is apparently wanting to use the OSS interface |
| 05:53.29 | kevlarman | aristarchus: either configure it to use alsa or find an emulator that supports alsa |
| 05:53.40 | takahiro | thanks for all your help peterS and somiaj |
| 05:53.41 | kevlarman | (i know zsnes does) |
| 05:53.47 | takahiro | biiiig help setting me up |
| 05:53.48 | peterS | aristarchus: try 'modprobe snd-pcm-oss' |
| 05:53.54 | peterS | takahiro: no problem |
| 05:53.57 | kevlarman | peterS: that's a terrible idea |
| 05:54.52 | aristarchus | peterS: nothing |
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| 05:55.07 | peterS | nothing as in no error? |
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| 05:56.36 | peterS | 'nothing' is not very descriptive. if you mean 'no change, software gives the same error as before', say 'no change' |
| 05:56.46 | peterS | ...or something |
| 05:56.47 | aristarchus | sorry |
| 05:56.49 | aristarchus | no output |
| 05:56.56 | peterS | 'modprobe' is supposed to give no output |
| 05:57.00 | peterS | the question is, did it fix snes9x |
| 05:57.06 | aristarchus | ooohhh |
| 05:57.43 | aristarchus | still no sound |
| 05:57.46 | peterS | I forgot to mention 'modprobe' has to be run as root, but apparently you did that, or it would have complained (: |
| 05:57.54 | aristarchus | ya |
| 05:58.00 | aristarchus | i got that through trial and error |
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| 05:58.21 | kevlarman | aristarchus: the best solution is to use something that supports alsa (like zsnes) |
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| 05:58.42 | aristarchus | kevlarman: i'm on amd64, i think zsnes is imcompatible |
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| 05:58.50 | peterS | it's possible snes9x has a mode to support alsa, but you have to wonder why the packager wouldn't select alsa mode by default |
| 05:59.04 | kevlarman | it apparently doesn't |
| 05:59.09 | bartley | "They mutilated your body. They messed up your mind. They crushed your spirit. They broke your heart. They carved you into a sexual zombie and created a monster within you. Then they deny -- and relish -- your suffering." |
| 05:59.14 | kevlarman | aristarchus: that's news to me |
| 05:59.26 | kevlarman | aristarchus: i just ran it on 64 linux |
| 05:59.33 | aristarchus | oh ya? |
| 05:59.35 | peterS | aristarchus: so, does snes9x still complain about /dev/dsp or does it just work except without sound? |
| 05:59.38 | bartley | When you complained about being dead, your surgeons concealed the fact that they knowingly cut your sex nerves and altered your genitals. |
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| 06:00.24 | kevlarman | peterS: at least suggest aoss(/padsp) instead of the module that steals the sound card |
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| 06:00.35 | aristarchus | peterS: it is able to run, the in the console output, you see an error message about not finding /dev/dsp |
| 06:00.49 | aristarchus | so it runs w/o sound |
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| 06:01.05 | aristarchus | i'm seeing something in the forums about: alsa-oss oss-compat |
| 06:01.10 | peterS | aristarchus: so in fact the 'modprobe snd-pcm-oss' did not change it at all? |
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| 06:01.20 | aristarchus | peterS: doesn't look like it |
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| 06:02.05 | peterS | aristarchus: probably can 'modprobe -r snd-pcm-oss' then and look for alsa-oss stuff |
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| 06:02.28 | peterS | aristarchus: apparently kevlarman can hook you up with the right commands to run to make that work. I don't know them offhand. |
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| 06:02.52 | aristarchus | peters: got it!! |
| 06:03.02 | aristarchus | peters: installing oss-compat fixed it |
| 06:03.04 | kevlarman | aristarchus: seriously though, zsnes or something that supports alsa |
| 06:03.05 | incog | yes hello |
| 06:03.18 | incog | as a gay black man, is debian the distro for me? |
| 06:03.27 | peterS | it is the distro for everybody |
| 06:03.44 | peterS | but then, so are a lot of other distributions |
| 06:03.59 | aristarchus | kevlarman: looks like it works now, thanks for your help |
| 06:04.02 | aristarchus | peters: thanks |
| 06:04.10 | peterS | no problem |
| 06:04.13 | incog | should i go for stable or testing? |
| 06:04.15 | kevlarman | aristarchus: now try playing any other sound while snes9x is running |
| 06:04.45 | peterS | kevlarman: assuming of course you _want_ to play other sounds while you're using a game emulator |
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| 06:05.22 | aristarchus | kevlarman: totem movie player just pauses |
| 06:05.32 | aristarchus | kevlarman: i think it can detect when a channel is in use |
| 06:05.42 | kevlarman | aristarchus: so you have pulse installed? |
| 06:05.45 | peterS | well, ok, not a game emulator per se, a platform emulator. but I believe it was almost exclusively used for games..... |
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| 06:06.01 | aristarchus | peters: mario paint!! j/k |
| 06:06.07 | peterS | ha |
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| 06:06.31 | somiaj | probabaly better than mspaint |
| 06:06.34 | peterS | yeah all it really needed was a super mario visicalc, right? so you could claim it was really a work computer? |
| 06:06.43 | kevlarman | somiaj: they aren't competitors |
| 06:06.59 | aristarchus | kevlarman: yes, pulse is installed |
| 06:07.16 | kevlarman | aristarchus: just uninstall oss-compat and run snes9x with padsp |
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| 06:07.58 | incog | is snes9x sdl? |
| 06:08.06 | kevlarman | incog: that's zsnes |
| 06:08.40 | stacks` | with iptables if i wanted to block the ranges 166.(128-255).*.* would i use 166.128.0.0/9 or how would it go? like i know iptables -A input -s (IP) -d 0/0 -j DROP etc.. |
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| 06:09.05 | mintux | I have two INTERNET connection that they are come from wired network (two modem connect to switch and come to my computer lan with different ip) so I switch between them.is it possible to use two internet connection at same time ? or connection 1 come to my browser and connection 2 come to my download manager ? |
| 06:09.18 | aristarchus | kevlarman: how do i specify padsp? |
| 06:09.23 | peterS | stacks`: sure. -A INPUT -s 166.128.0.0/9 -j DROP seems fine. you may need a -m tcp or something. |
| 06:09.31 | kevlarman | aristarchus: padsp snes9x |
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| 06:09.51 | kevlarman | aristarchus: it's a small shell script that LD_PRELOADS libpulsdsp |
| 06:10.17 | peterS | mintux: in theory yes. but it's not trivial to set up, and telling apps which connection to use is also not trivial. |
| 06:10.28 | aristarchus | kevlarman: hey it works! |
| 06:10.42 | aristarchus | kevlarman: i can hear my metal blasting over the 16bit music |
| 06:10.49 | peterS | well, I mean, you can set up two default gateways, but selecting which one to use in a given application is the hard part. |
| 06:11.08 | mintux | peterS: is it possible in firefox use network proxy ? |
| 06:11.40 | peterS | don't know, I've never used it |
| 06:12.23 | mintux | for example I run a virtual machine and send the INTERNET to browser |
| 06:12.38 | terr_ | I need some advice on HPLIP I see version 3.112.2 is available but apparently only 2.8.6 is instalelld in the ;llatest debian. Besides which I'm on Sarge in this machine and its pretty old. Can I even run these drivers? |
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| 06:30.49 | somiaj | terr_: probabaly should think about upgrading to a supported debian version. |
| 06:31.08 | somiaj | terr_: you may be able to backport things, but backporting to sarge may not be an easy task |
| 06:31.13 | terr_ | somiaj: I'm in the process of building a new machine |
| 06:31.32 | terr_ | somiaj: I'm upgrading anyways... I already have the new machine |
| 06:31.52 | somiaj | well if you want to upgrade that install go one release at a time |
| 06:33.51 | terr_ | durn. I tried pining that printer and I'm getting a lot of packet loss. Its tyring to run 100base-T and likely the cable is not good enough. |
| 06:34.10 | terr_ | There should be some way to force it to 10BaseT |
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| 06:55.44 | jokar | hello all |
| 06:55.57 | jokar | i want install cheops-ng on my debian 64 bit |
| 06:56.06 | jokar | i can't finde any packahe |
| 06:56.11 | jokar | package* |
| 06:56.22 | jokar | configure: error: Could not find the gnomeConf.sh file that is generated by gnome-libs install |
| 06:56.32 | jokar | what should i do? |
| 06:57.20 | jokar | :-/ |
| 06:57.43 | jokar | anybody here? |
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| 06:58.40 | phogg | jokar: no |
| 06:58.57 | jokar | :) |
| 06:58.58 | phogg | jokar: also, tried apt-get --reinstall gnome-libs ? |
| 06:59.07 | phogg | apt-get --reinstall install gnome-libs, I mean |
| 06:59.18 | jokar | no |
| 06:59.22 | jokar | i test it |
| 06:59.29 | phogg | might regenerate it |
| 06:59.36 | jokar | E: Unable to locate package gnome-libs |
| 06:59.40 | jokar | ? |
| 07:00.10 | jokar | can't find |
| 07:00.56 | jokar | gnome-libs can't find |
| 07:01.37 | pikefrog | debian seems to want to grant users permissions to access different optical devices iwth ACLs bypassing the group permissions |
| 07:01.44 | pikefrog | how do i control these acls |
| 07:02.30 | pikefrog | i dont know anythign about acls, where do i edit the policy or know what acls i have on my system |
| 07:02.35 | jokar | o/ phogg: |
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| 07:11.34 | phogg | jokar: sorry, I misread your error |
| 07:12.27 | jokar | no problem |
| 07:12.35 | jokar | i can't install it |
| 07:12.52 | jokar | gnome-libs not found |
| 07:13.01 | phogg | jokar: You need to figure out what package contains the bits of gnome libs that it wants |
| 07:13.18 | jokar | :-/ |
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| 07:13.23 | bintut | waves |
| 07:13.41 | jokar | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:13.50 | phogg | jokar: I don't even know what it is |
| 07:13.52 | jokar | if possible please test it |
| 07:14.05 | jokar | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:14.13 | jokar | cheops-ng |
| 07:14.17 | phogg | you might try the libgnome2-dev package, perhaps |
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| 07:14.34 | bintut | anyone here uses TP-Link TL-WN821Nv3 802.11n USB adapter on debian squeeze? |
| 07:15.09 | jokar | phogg: i will test it |
| 07:15.15 | somiaj | bintut: grab the chipset from 'lsusb' and check the wiki, it contains instructions on many devices |
| 07:15.40 | bintut | i'm having an issue on my 802.11n usb adapter. the device is detected, the driver has been loaded but the actual interface is still absent. kindly check http://www.pastie.org/3351820 for more information. |
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| 07:16.02 | somiaj | bintut: most likely are missing firmware, check dmesg |
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| 07:17.26 | jokar | o/ phogg not installed |
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| 07:30.53 | bintut | somiaj: kindly check http://www.pastie.org/3359478 |
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| 07:35.40 | bintut | anyone here familiar in enabling and making an 802.11n usb adapter work on squeeze? |
| 07:35.49 | bintut | more information is at http://www.pastie.org/3359478 |
| 07:39.26 | somiaj | bintut: 'dmesg | grep firmware' and 'lsusb' again most likely firmware. But for detailed info look up your devieces chipset on the debian wiki |
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| 07:41.47 | bintut | somiaj: on my dmesg, i'm not seeing firmware related to Atheros. |
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| 07:47.55 | bintut | does it mean that i have to upgrade to wheezy? |
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| 07:54.28 | somiaj | bintut: again what is the output of lsusb, I want the chipset of the device |
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| 07:54.55 | bintut | # lsusb | grep -i Atheros |
| 07:54.55 | bintut | Bus 003 Device 002: ID 0cf3:7015 Atheros Communications, Inc. TP-Link TL-WN821N v3 802.11n [Atheros AR7010+AR9287] |
| 07:55.09 | somiaj | bintut: if it happens to need a newer kernel, you can install one from backports.debian.org. But first lets figure out the what other people say |
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| 07:55.41 | bintut | somiaj: ok. thanks. |
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| 07:56.48 | somiaj | http://wiki.debian.org/ath9k_htc |
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| 07:58.28 | somiaj | ok you need at least a 2.6.35 kernel, so grab a more recent kernel from backports.kernel.org (the 3.2 is the most recent, but you can get 2.6.39, 3.1 and 3.2 there) |
| 07:59.02 | somiaj | you also need the firmware. So you need to install the package firmware-atheros -- you will also want to install the version of that from backports |
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| 08:00.12 | bintut | somiaj: thank you once again. |
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| 08:15.00 | moldus | hey guys |
| 08:15.33 | bintut | gtg for now.. |
| 08:15.35 | bintut | waves |
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| 08:21.14 | moldus | is there a way to speed up the connection going through a debian firewall? |
| 08:21.14 | moldus | it's just really slowing things down |
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| 08:21.49 | moldus | any suggestions? |
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| 08:23.09 | _KaszpiR_ | if you would say more about your setup and confguration.... |
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| 08:24.26 | moldus | sure. what would help? |
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| 08:24.58 | _KaszpiR_ | used firewall software and configuration |
| 08:25.05 | moldus | i just have iptables setup on it with 2 10/100 cards |
| 08:25.11 | _KaszpiR_ | what applications got problems with connecting |
| 08:25.17 | moldus | all of them |
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| 08:25.39 | moldus | when i run a speed test, it's something like 1/10th of what it is without the firewall |
| 08:25.58 | moldus | i'm sorry...1/10th with the firewall |
| 08:26.01 | moldus | lol |
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| 08:28.46 | _KaszpiR_ | it sounds more like iptables rules issue |
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| 08:29.57 | moldus | any ways to speed it up? i don't have a huge number of rules |
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| 08:30.49 | _KaszpiR_ | http://tinyurl.com/74wq4a9 |
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| 08:31.01 | _KaszpiR_ | first suggestion without knowing what roules you got there |
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| 08:32.38 | moldus | forward or input chains? |
| 08:32.48 | moldus | what would affect performance more? |
| 08:35.28 | simonlnu | it wouldn't affect performance unless the rules were broken or redundant |
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| 08:37.24 | moldus | i don't think I have anything redunant in the rules. |
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| 08:37.47 | moldus | are there any card parameters I can force to have certain values e.g. duplex 100MB etc? |
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| 08:38.22 | simonlnu | ethtool --help |
| 08:38.31 | simonlnu | install it first ;) |
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| 08:38.59 | moldus | ok let me try that |
| 08:39.04 | _KaszpiR_ | i guess he's got something missing in the rules |
| 08:39.13 | _KaszpiR_ | goes to work |
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| 08:40.08 | moldus | hmm interesting |
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| 08:40.17 | moldus | ethtool lists all the info for the LAN card |
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| 08:40.27 | moldus | however for the internet card it says no data available |
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| 08:40.52 | jokar | how install gnome-libs |
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| 08:41.03 | jokar | how install gnome-libs? |
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| 08:41.28 | simonlnu | jokar: it doesn't exist, of course you can't install it |
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| 08:41.44 | jokar | simonlnu: why? |
| 08:41.56 | jokar | o/ simonlnu: |
| 08:42.04 | jokar | i want install cheops-ng |
| 08:42.08 | simonlnu | it's first of all gnome1, and was removed because it's obsolete. |
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| 08:42.11 | blast_hardcheese | simonlnu: For gods sake, answer him! |
| 08:42.27 | blast_hardcheese | :) |
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| 08:42.35 | simonlnu | heh |
| 08:42.43 | simonlnu | !gnome-libs |
| 08:42.55 | jokar | how install cheops-ng? |
| 08:43.02 | blast_hardcheese | :| |
| 08:43.13 | simonlnu | build it from source? |
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| 08:43.25 | jokar | yes\ |
| 08:43.27 | simonlnu | what is it even |
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| 08:43.33 | jokar | i can't find package |
| 08:43.45 | jokar | configure: error: Could not find the gnomeConf.sh file that is generated by gnome-libs install |
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| 08:43.52 | blast_hardcheese | I'm having issues getting my x120e's rtl abgn card to associate with APs |
| 08:44.15 | simonlnu | jokar: it won't build. it needs porting to more recent gnome |
| 08:44.23 | blast_hardcheese | The card I've got is the RTL8188CE, I'm having terrible luck with it. |
| 08:44.30 | jokar | oh |
| 08:44.38 | blast_hardcheese | Running testing, kernel 3.2.0 |
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| 08:44.55 | simonlnu | !rtl8188 |
| 08:44.55 | dpkg | For support of Realtek 802.11n PCI-E devices, ask me about <rtl8192ce>, <rtl8192de>, <rtl8192e>, <rtl8192se>. For support of Realtek 802.11n USB devices, ask me about <rtl8192cu>, <rtl8192su>, <rtl8192u>. See also <what's my wireless>. |
| 08:45.01 | blast_hardcheese | Many thanks |
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| 08:45.03 | jokar | can i install rpm on debian? |
| 08:45.14 | simonlnu | not directly |
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| 08:46.01 | simonlnu | !alien |
| 08:46.02 | dpkg | i guess alien is a program which allows one to convert from one package format to another: slackware to redhat, redhat to Debian, Debian to slackware, redhat to slackware, etc. http://kitenet.net/programs/alien/ |
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| 08:48.05 | moldus | simolnu: what are the minimum rules you need for masquerading? when you have 2 cards? |
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| 08:55.11 | Mish- | On the off-chance some here has seen this... I'm using Ubuntu 11.10 and have "/home, /var and /usr" inside a volume group (vg0), on boot it looks like it can't see them so won't boot past trying to mount them... |
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| 08:55.58 | dwfreed | Mish-: you should ask in #ubuntu, not here |
| 08:56.14 | Mish- | I tried that, silence stalked me like a jungle cat. |
| 08:56.26 | dwfreed | well, just wait |
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| 08:56.38 | Mish- | The cat will get me. |
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| 08:59.23 | p_quarles | #ubuntu is a mess, no doubt, but Debian is not Ubuntu - they are distant cousins; if the irc channel doesn't work, other support avenues may help you avoid the cat |
| 09:00.14 | Mish- | heh, cheers. |
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| 09:01.47 | Mish- | Wow, looks like (from google) any multi LVM setup on "slow'ish" I/O hardware will hit this. What a mess! - Thanks for putting up with me. :) |
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| 09:03.00 | SpComb | Mish-: a PV inside an LV? |
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| 09:04.09 | Mish- | Hardware RAID > VG > LV (LV for home, usr, swap and var). Seems to be a semi-known issue. |
| 09:04.24 | Mish- | Some issue where LVM just doesn't work on boot. |
| 09:04.37 | valdyn | i have never seen a timeout happen there |
| 09:05.05 | Mish- | There's a whole mess of issues around it here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/818177 - But I'll stop there since it's Ubuntu and not Debian. :) |
| 09:05.36 | valdyn | Mish-: having a seperate /usr is somewhat deprecated |
| 09:05.57 | valdyn | Mish-: but I don't think thats related to your issue |
| 09:05.59 | BenNZ | Mish-: is / or /boot inside the lvm? |
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| 09:06.24 | Mish- | BenNZ: No. :) |
| 09:07.00 | BenNZ | Mish-: so fstab is having trouble , are you using the uuid's to mount them |
| 09:07.28 | Mish- | BenNZ: I haven't checked yet, this is a clean install. |
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| 09:09.13 | BenNZ | Mish-: ok thats where i would start looking |
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| 09:13.14 | Mish- | I appreciate your help. |
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| 09:14.08 | Mish- | "/" and "/boot" are both mounted by UUID and mount, "/home, /usr, /var and swap" are all mounted by "/dev/mapper/vg0-home" (for example) and all fail. |
| 09:14.37 | BenNZ | Mish-: then use uuid for /home /usr /var swap |
| 09:15.38 | Mish- | Oh! This is interesting, all have a status of "LV Status" "NOT available". |
| 09:16.05 | BenNZ | Mish-: is lvm2 installed? |
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| 09:18.34 | Mish- | BenNZ: Yes, but thanks to you I think I've found what I was after! |
| 09:18.52 | BenNZ | Mish-: what was it? |
| 09:18.53 | Mish- | BenNZ: Running "vgchange -a y vg0" changed them to "available", rebooting now to test. |
| 09:19.06 | Mish- | BenNZ: Why that didn't occur during the ubuntu install though... |
| 09:19.46 | BenNZ | Mish-: not sure |
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| 09:20.01 | BenNZ | Mish-: didnt realise we were talking about ubuntu either |
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| 09:20.05 | Mish- | Heh |
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| 10:32.00 | mufflon | hello community, im looking for a place to ask a beginner question about an error-output after launching a python-screenlet on debian. am i right here? i assume theres a missing package or somth like that. |
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| 10:32.41 | simonlnu | shoot |
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| 10:33.46 | mufflon | when starting the screenlet webpicframe i get following message. i assume it has to do with the "import-part" of the script: http://bpaste.net/show/23371/ |
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| 10:34.00 | mufflon | ? |
| 10:34.56 | simonlnu | it's getting imported incorrectly afaict |
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| 10:36.18 | simonlnu | you'll have to debug it manually, then check the bts |
| 10:36.18 | simonlnu | !bts |
| 10:36.18 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. See also <apt-listbugs>, <reportbug>. http://wiki.debian.org/HowtoUseBTS |
| 10:36.18 | simonlnu | if you don't know how to debug it, ask in #python |
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| 10:36.27 | mufflon | simonlnu: thank you, but its seems that its to big for me, cause i dont know anything about python |
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| 10:37.27 | themill | looks like the code is asking the library to do things that it doesn't do |
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| 12:14.45 | Max_8776 | Since i reinstalled debian, without gnome, i can't use unmute button on laptop, what can i do ? |
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| 12:15.50 | engla | Max_8776: there are different programs that handle it for example xfce4-volumed |
| 12:15.52 | Max_8776 | engla tahnk you, i installed fluxbox |
| 12:16.16 | engla | maybe there is a different package that suits fluxbox better |
| 12:16.58 | Max_8776 | i will search for that , thks |
| 12:21.24 | engla | even kupfer (app launcher) can bind triggers to those keys |
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| 12:21.24 | Max_8776 | i look at it, found nothin in apt related to fluxbox |
| 12:21.24 | e-anima | hm. do i need to update stuff like php before i upgrade lenny->squeeze? because i do not want to do that. i want to do that after if possible |
| 12:21.24 | Max_8776 | for a volume key daemon |
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| 12:24.05 | engla | Max_8776: http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/Multimedia_Keys#Fluxbox |
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| 12:25.42 | engla | Max_8776: http://softwarebakery.com/maato/volumeicon.html |
| 12:25.42 | Max_8776 | engla thanks :), it seems the best choice |
| 12:25.42 | engla | there seems to be a lot of choices |
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| 12:28.16 | Max_8776 | ok it is working, i tryed the unmute command : amixer -q set Master toggle |
| 12:28.16 | Max_8776 | now is working |
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| 12:28.16 | Max_8776 | thank you again, did not know where to look for this |
| 12:28.16 | jubognulinux | Max_8776: that's great. My audio is still broken but I'm very happy with Debian |
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| 12:28.16 | DocScrutinizer | ~botsnack |
| 12:28.16 | apt | DocScrutinizer: aw, gee |
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| 12:28.16 | jubognulinux | other then the audio being broken and the clock showing UTC+4 time eventhough I'm in UTC+2 |
| 12:28.19 | jubognulinux | I'm really happy |
| 12:31.09 | DocScrutinizer | sigh |
| 12:31.09 | jubognulinux | Shukran, shukran devels |
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| 12:32.53 | delvalle26 | Hmm, is using chromium from the repos the way to go? Or better to build it myself and allow auto updates? |
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| 12:35.34 | engla | delvalle26: google also have their own repository if you want their updates |
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