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| 18:02.57 | *** topic/#debian is squeeze (6.0.4) released; /msg dpkg squeeze | lenny EOL 2012-02-06 /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze ; /msg dpkg 5.0.9 | NO FLOOD: /msg dpkg pastebin | /msg bots NOT people | offtopic: #debian-offtopic | wheezy/sid: #debian-next (irc.oftc.net) | FAQ: http://deb.li/IRCFAQ | channel logs: http://deb.li/yQXC |
| 18:03.22 | jhutchins_wk | !tell x0b about ig |
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| 18:03.36 | x0b | jhutchins_wk: silence. |
| 18:03.47 | jhutchins_wk | x0b: Sorry, that was supposed to be |
| 18:03.53 | jhutchins_wk | !tell wfq about ig |
| 18:04.01 | x0b | :P |
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| 18:04.36 | wfq | somiaj,jhutchins_wk I am reading it now :). thanks |
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| 18:05.01 | Raccoon1400 | is there a repo for squeeze that includes the latest firefox |
| 18:05.24 | underio | is there a way to put an antialiasing on font ? |
| 18:05.25 | jhutchins_wk | !mdn |
| 18:05.26 | dpkg | Backports of the Iceweasel web browser and Icedove mail client are not available from <debian backports>. See http://mozilla.debian.net/ for newer Iceweasel and Icedove for squeeze, wheezy and sid. Work continues to get the packages into the official archive without breaking too many other applications using XUL. Also ask me about <transition>, <squeeze-backports>, <testing>. |
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| 18:15.58 | Zeranoe | Hi there, I'm trying to set the deafult browser to a firefox I have located in /home/user/software/firefox-linux-i686/firefox but the "preferred applications" configuration doesn't seem to accept paths. Any ideas? |
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| 18:21.33 | fasta | If I execute 'edit', I want emacs to be started, not vim. How do I configure that? |
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| 18:23.53 | thewanderer1 | fasta, export EDITOR=emacs in .bashrc? |
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| 18:25.05 | somiaj | fasta: ls -l `which edit` -- is that just a link? |
| 18:25.14 | themill | you probably want "editor" not "edit" btw |
| 18:25.18 | somiaj | fasta: though why not just run 'emacs' instead |
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| 18:26.05 | rookie84 | hi there, i already have PHP installed on debian how do i install Imap now? |
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| 18:26.17 | rookie84 | because I get an error saying : "PHP must be compiled with IMAP" |
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| 18:26.21 | rookie84 | any clue? thanks |
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| 18:27.25 | themill | rookie84: "apt-cache search php imap" might give you a useful clue |
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| 18:27.48 | rookie84 | ok thanks |
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| 18:28.11 | gambo | Where the heck can I get the GPG keys for debian repos? |
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| 18:30.07 | gnarface | is bluetooth obexftp still broken in sid? |
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| 18:30.52 | themill | gambo: "/msg dpkg secure apt"; also, what are you really trying to do? |
| 18:30.58 | Zeranoe | Hi there, I'm trying to set the deafult browser to a firefox I have located in /home/user/software/firefox-linux-i686/firefox but the "preferred applications" configuration doesn't seem to accept paths. Any ideas? |
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| 18:37.05 | gambo | themill: using a debian derivative and need to build a version of stunnel4 which is more recent |
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| 18:41.47 | calzifer | hi, my logs are spamed by samba with this code, how can I fix this?: smbd/server.c:281(remove_child_pid) Could not find child 15078 -- ignoring : 1 Time(s) |
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| 18:43.55 | krish | hi guys, im trying to downgrade my gcc and it fails with |
| 18:43.56 | krish | Reinstallation of gcc-4.3-base is not possible, it cannot be downloaded. |
| 18:44.00 | krish | any ideas? |
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| 18:44.43 | themill | gambo: if your derivative has a debian-keyring package then you will find the maintainer's key in there that signed the .dsc file. If you don't have that package then you should ask your distribution how to to verify a trust path back to debian. |
| 18:44.48 | somiaj | calzifer: sounds like a samba issue, I'd try google. The error says that smbd thinks it has a child with pid 15078, but it cannot find that child so it isn't able to kill/talk to it. |
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| 18:45.20 | calzifer | somiaj: there are many many more child... about 2k every day |
| 18:45.24 | somiaj | krish: why do you want to downgrade gcc? And what gversion of debian are you running |
| 18:45.42 | krish | sadly lenny still... planning to upgrade soon |
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| 18:45.57 | somiaj | calzifer: I would google that error, but remove the 281 and the 15078 numbers from it, also suggest asking the samba people. What version of debian are you running? |
| 18:46.01 | krish | but we upgraded kernel today to 2.6.30 and one of our realtek cards need recompiling |
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| 18:46.21 | somiaj | krish: gcc-4.3 isn't a downgrade in lenny |
| 18:46.25 | somiaj | ,versions gcc-4.3 |
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| 18:46.26 | calzifer | somiaj: squeeze, i tried to google and found a opensuse bugreport, that suse has fixed the bug, but i found nothing about debian |
| 18:46.26 | judd | Package: gcc-4.3 on i386 -- lenny: 4.3.2-1.1; lenny-backports: 4.3.4-6~bpo50+1; squeeze: 4.3.5-4 |
| 18:46.30 | krish | and linux-headers for 2.6.32 from backports depends on gcc-4.3 |
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| 18:47.00 | somiaj | krish: it might require the gcc from backports, did you install that? |
| 18:47.04 | krish | somiaj: i have the one installed from lenny-backports. |
| 18:47.11 | krish | i want the one in lenny |
| 18:47.14 | krish | strange isnt it |
| 18:47.37 | somiaj | krish: well if your headers require the lenny-backports one, you'll have a dependency conflict. |
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| 18:48.01 | jhutchins_wk | krish: Uninstall it - you may want to use dpkg as opposed to aptitude so it won't try to drag other stuff with it - then install the one from the main repo. |
| 18:48.02 | somiaj | krish: so apt-get -t lenny gcc-4.3 has errors, do you see anything helpful in 'apt-cache policy gcc-4.3' |
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| 18:49.35 | krish | gcc-4.3: Depends: gcc-4.3-base (= 4.3.2-1.1) but 4.3.4-6~bpo50+1 is to be installed |
| 18:49.35 | krish | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:49.35 | krish | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:50.08 | krish | i dont know why the backports linux-headers should depend on lenny packages |
| 18:50.09 | calzifer | somiaj: any idea? |
| 18:50.14 | krish | should be compat with bpo |
| 18:50.16 | krish | so asad |
| 18:50.18 | krish | *sad |
| 18:50.42 | somiaj | calzifer: my ideas are check the bts, ask samba, or use that bug report you found and see what is causing that. If you don't see anything in the bts, it could be just a configuration error, but I don't use samba enough to know. |
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| 18:51.09 | calzifer | ok, thx |
| 18:51.39 | somiaj | calzifer: you are also free to submit a bug to the bts, but I'd suggest make sure you do your homework first. (: |
| 18:51.51 | krish | somiaj: gcc-4.3-base can be uninstalled? wont break anything? like it breaks on rhel |
| 18:52.08 | Zeranoe | Hi there, I'm trying to set the deafult browser to a firefox I have located in /home/user/software/firefox-linux-i686/firefox but the "preferred applications" configuration doesn't seem to accept paths. Any ideas? |
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| 18:52.28 | odla | hi i just install squeeze and i am trying to install libgtk2.0-dev and apparently it has unmet dependencies? i thought squeeze doesn't break like this. |
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| 18:53.28 | somiaj | odla: give us the output of your sources.list, apt-cache policy libgtk2.0-dev and the error/depends you get when you try to install it |
| 18:53.33 | somiaj | ole: and the command you typed. |
| 18:53.55 | somiaj | odla: ^^ Yes squeeze is not supose to have many of those issues (some creap in, some are due to strange sources.list configurations) |
| 18:54.19 | somiaj | odla: use paste.debian.net or pastebinit, (: |
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| 18:55.03 | calzifer | somiaj: found this http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=631118 |
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| 18:55.22 | odla | http://pastebin.com/F1iRsRK7 |
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| 18:56.39 | somiaj | calzifer: seems like it is an upstream bug that has been fixed. You said you are running squeeze correct? |
| 18:56.51 | somiaj | calzifer: have you updated to 6.0.4 and have all security updates? |
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| 18:58.04 | somiaj | odla: it could be conflicts with the backports and icewealse sources -- so not a squeeze issue, alrighty more info please |
| 18:58.20 | somiaj | odla: apt-cache policy <pkgname> for the two packages the error says it won't install. Lets see why it won't install them. |
| 18:58.39 | calzifer | somiaj: yes, already installed |
| 18:58.39 | somiaj | odla: libpango1.0-dev and libcairo2-dev |
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| 18:59.15 | odla | somiaj: ah ... you're right |
| 18:59.19 | odla | it's because of backports |
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| 18:59.36 | somiaj | calzifer: I'd suggest appending to that bug report, say you are experencing the bug in the squeeze version and ask if they are going to backport a fix. It may you just will have to deal with extra verbose logs. |
| 19:00.09 | calzifer | ok |
| 19:00.11 | somiaj | odla: you may just have to manully trace down each conflict, and install the package from squeeze sepertally as apt-get isn't being smart enough to figure it out |
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| 19:00.23 | somiaj | odla: you could also try aptitude (it is sometimes slightly smarter than apt-get about things) |
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| 19:01.19 | somiaj | calzifer: you should also use reportbug as it will automatically generate lots of info about your system for the matianer. |
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| 19:08.08 | IsoLinCHiP | Hi, I am currently trying to upgrade a server to lenny (dont ask) and something went wrong in the process, Im missing ldconfig. Ive found out that it is in the package libc6 in lenny, but in order to install that, guess what I need. ldconfig. -.- Any help in resolving this would be great. :) |
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| 19:09.29 | somiaj | IsoLinCHiP: you could boot up off a live system and manually extract the deb into your install |
| 19:09.40 | somiaj | IsoLinCHiP: then chroot into it and instlal the deb again so it is in the database correctly |
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| 19:10.09 | IsoLinCHiP | somiaj: Sounds good, how would I go about extracting it? |
| 19:10.11 | somiaj | IsoLinCHiP: /msg dpkg etch->lenny (then /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze) upgrades between stable release are unforntally sometimes require a bit more than one command |
| 19:10.30 | somiaj | IsoLinCHiP: man dpkg, I think it is dpkg -x foo.deb /path/to/bar |
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| 19:11.08 | boairc | hi guys |
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| 19:12.20 | IsoLinCHiP | somiaj: Cool, will try that, thanks |
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| 19:15.40 | somiaj | IsoLinCHiP: hope it works, next time make sure you read the release/upgrade notes first, sometimes you can avoid these things. (: |
| 19:15.55 | somiaj | IsoLinCHiP: and get to squeeze if you want security updates |
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| 19:18.21 | keith4 | is there a 'correct' way to determine, in a brash script for example, if a package is installed? |
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| 19:19.26 | somiaj | well you can call dpkg and look at the first two letters to determine the packages state |
| 19:20.05 | somiaj | keith4: try an example dpkg -l libc6 -- it will tell you the status of that package on your system, 'ii' is usually what you look for to be installed |
| 19:20.27 | somiaj | iU means installed but unconfigured -- not sure of a simple way that gives you an error code based on installed status though. |
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| 19:21.16 | keith4 | somiaj: yah, i was thinking some variation of 'dpkg -l foo | egrep "^ii" |
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| 19:21.28 | keith4 | but was wondering if there was a more... elegant way |
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| 19:22.00 | somiaj | a more elegant way would be have a simple wrapper that gave exit code 1 if it was installed 0 if it wasn't (or visa versa) -- but I don't think there is any of those by default. |
| 19:22.11 | boairc | where do i have to copy vi/vim colorscheme files? |
| 19:22.18 | boairc | so i can use them |
| 19:22.29 | somiaj | boairc: do you want just your user to have them or do you want them system wide for some reason? |
| 19:22.31 | boairc | i want to know both path for global config and for user |
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| 19:22.44 | boairc | somaiaj: both |
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| 19:22.55 | somiaj | boairc: users should put things in the home dir $HOME/ -- probably in .vim or something, system wide stuff goes in /usr/share |
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| 19:23.09 | rookie84 | i had previously php 5 installed |
| 19:23.16 | boairc | not /etc/vim ? |
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| 19:23.28 | rookie84 | i installed php5-imap again through aptitude and now my apache is crashing, any idea why? |
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| 19:23.51 | boairc | i'm trying to install this - http://www.vim.org/scripts/script.php?script_id=3065 |
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| 19:24.06 | boairc | but tried the path they tell there but didnt worked |
| 19:24.19 | boairc | ~/.vim/colors/schemefile.vim |
| 19:24.32 | somiaj | boairc: the ones that come with the deban packages are put in /usr/share/vim/vim73/colors |
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| 19:24.45 | boairc | i'm using putty could that be the problem? |
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| 19:24.48 | boairc | ok, thank you |
| 19:24.49 | somiaj | boairc: you can see that by dpkg -L <pkg name> -- explore the package names |
| 19:25.04 | somiaj | boairc: but I would put them in your $HOME dir in most cases |
| 19:25.34 | boairc | ok |
| 19:26.00 | somiaj | boairc: usually it is best to not install stuff like that system wide, but for adding a color scheme it isn't a big deal. |
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| 19:28.00 | frem | Stupid question: Is it possible to use apt-build to just download the libraries required to compile a package, but not actually compile the package? |
| 19:28.13 | somiaj | frem: you want apt-get build-dep |
| 19:28.19 | somiaj | or aptitude build-dep |
| 19:28.20 | boairc | im doing my base config for dedicated servers and VPS |
| 19:28.31 | frem | somiaj: ah, nice. thanks! |
| 19:28.36 | boairc | and i want all users to have certain things predefined by default |
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| 19:29.57 | somiaj | boairc: yea then put them in the same place, there is a README.txt file there too. Just note that debian packages may install a file over that file because they don't know it is there, or complain about that directory not being empty if a user tries to --purge the vim packages. |
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| 19:30.30 | boairc | ok |
| 19:30.37 | boairc | ill keep that in mind |
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| 19:31.06 | somiaj | you could make a custom vim package as well that has them in there, but then you have to deal with updates and they would remove your custome files that way. |
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| 19:32.07 | somiaj | boairc: hmm one more suggestion, not sure on vim, but many things look in both /usr/share and /usr/local/share --- you could try to put the extra 'local' stuff there and see if vim sees it. I don't think it will, but then you won't have to worry about the above issues. |
| 19:32.57 | boairc | i'm basically setting up screen, vim, etc configs and will probably make a script to auto config any server fast to use them |
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| 19:33.05 | boairc | ok, thank you, ill check it out |
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| 19:33.26 | rookie84 | hi is there any web thing i can install on debian to see the stats (connections, bandwith, etc.. etc..) |
| 19:33.32 | boairc | i managed to get along with vim. 5 years after i first tried it lol |
| 19:34.12 | boairc | rookie84: at website level there's awstats. for apache you have apachetop, also you have iftop for the interface |
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| 19:34.28 | rookie84 | boairc: ok thanks |
| 19:34.52 | boairc | rookie84: awstats is quite common on cpanel hosts. it uses the access log to create the stats |
| 19:35.07 | boairc | personally i prefer piwik or google analytics for that though |
| 19:35.16 | rookie84 | piwik is what? |
| 19:35.46 | boairc | like google analytics but you instal it on your own server/host. great if you don't want to use analytics for privacy reasons |
| 19:36.10 | rookie84 | ok |
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| 19:38.26 | jhutchins_wk | boairc: Have you found vimrc? |
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| 19:39.28 | riadh | hi |
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| 19:42.16 | riadh | Is it possible to do something like that : eth0 eth1 > bond0 (trunk LACP) > bond0.111 & bond0.2000 (two vlans) > br0 (bridge for bond0.111) |
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| 19:44.56 | Industrial | What's the difference between vim-gnome and vim-gtk packages? I can never choose. |
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| 19:45.47 | jhutchins_wk | Industrial: I think they use different libraries to render the window in X. |
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| 19:46.12 | jhutchins_wk | Industrial: I never use it outside the console, I find an Xorg window version of it completely unlikable. |
| 19:46.17 | Industrial | doesn't gnome use GTK aswell ? (it being part of gnome) |
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| 19:46.44 | Industrial | jhutchins_wk: I remove everything graptical, menus buttons etc, making it effectively terminal vim, but it supports 16million colors |
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| 19:47.18 | Industrial | https://github.com/ChrisKempson/Tomorrow-Theme |
| 19:47.21 | Industrial | and themes like that ;) |
| 19:47.50 | Kobaz | so i have a machine that cannot be ssh'd from only one single other... i'm getting Feb 13 14:47:43 dev sshd[338]: Did not receive identification string from 192.168.56.102 |
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| 19:48.51 | Industrial | cheers, vim-gnome it is .. |
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| 19:49.20 | faolchu-aonair | hello, could someone please pastebin a copy of "/etc/default/saned" I seem to be missing mine |
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| 19:52.30 | eiro | hello |
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| 19:53.03 | LtL | faolchu-aonair: I don't use it, would a generic copy be ok? |
| 19:53.11 | faolchu-aonair | please |
| 19:53.15 | faolchu-aonair | thats all I need |
| 19:53.26 | LtL | faolchu-aonair: ok, http://pastebin.com/kePVy82y |
| 19:53.31 | faolchu-aonair | thanks |
| 19:53.33 | faolchu-aonair | :) |
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| 19:53.39 | LtL | faolchu-aonair: welcome |
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| 19:59.37 | sephii | I'd like to synchronize a set of files with a remote server each time my laptop gets connected to the network. What's the best way to do that? Add a script in /etc/networking/ |
| 19:59.50 | sephii | /etc/network/if-up.d/ ? |
| 20:01.12 | jelly-home | Younos: try ntop for a start |
| 20:01.20 | Younos | hiya all, I'd like to ... ohh |
| 20:01.29 | Younos | ok:) |
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| 20:03.53 | simonlnu | Younos: um, ntop maybe? |
| 20:04.15 | Kobaz | so i have computers A B and C... C is running sshd 5.5, on A if i telnet C 22.. I get SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_5.5p1 Debian-6+squeeze1.... on B if i telnet c 22, i get nothing, and in syslog I get: Did not receive identification string from 192.168.56.102 |
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| 20:05.06 | Younos | that ip number thats on B or on C? |
| 20:05.25 | Kobaz | B's uo is 56.102 |
| 20:05.27 | Kobaz | ip |
| 20:05.29 | jelly-home | Kobaz: nothing as in no connection established (connection timed out? connection refused?), or just no ssh banner? |
| 20:05.31 | Kobaz | that's the one that can't connect |
| 20:05.47 | Kobaz | nothing as in it gets a successful tcp connection, but nothing happens |
| 20:06.08 | Kobaz | ssh is supposed to print the version upon connection |
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| 20:08.05 | Kobaz | from B i cannot ssh to the server |
| 20:08.05 | Younos | A B and C are all on the same network? |
| 20:08.07 | Kobaz | but from A i can |
| 20:08.20 | Kobaz | same physical network |
| 20:08.23 | Kobaz | different subnets |
| 20:08.37 | Kobaz | but i don't have any security stuff set up in pam or anything |
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| 20:11.06 | Kobaz | it just seems really strange that ssh would start properly for one client but not another |
| 20:11.12 | jelly-home | Kobaz: ssh in Debian also uses tcp_wrappers. Anything in /etc/hosts.{allow,deny} ? |
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| 20:11.20 | Kobaz | nope |
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| 20:18.03 | anhday | hi people |
| 20:18.22 | anhday | i'm in sudoers group but i can't access /var/log/httpd folder |
| 20:18.25 | Vasistha | any thoughts on backporting libimobiledevice for iOS 4.2? |
| 20:18.35 | Vasistha | anhday: you probably need to sudo ls |
| 20:18.50 | Vasistha | anhday: or sudo screen :-) |
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| 20:19.25 | anhday | oh |
| 20:19.33 | anhday | awesome, :) thanks guys |
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| 20:20.18 | aidalgol | anhday: Add yourself to the adm and staff groups to get write access to certain system directories without having to be root. |
| 20:20.33 | aidalgol | The sudo group just lets you run anything with sudo. |
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| 20:20.46 | Vasistha | it seems libimobiledevice depends on a newer libgnutls26, and there's no backport for that. Would it be unwise to attempt to build a newer libgnutls26? Many important-looking packages depend on it, and I wouldn't want to break my system by attempting to run a newer libgnutls26 |
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| 20:24.59 | anhday | oh aidalgol, what group do i add ? :) |
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| 20:25.33 | aidalgol | anhday: Add yourself to the adm and staff groups as well as the sudo group (which, I take it, you're already in). |
| 20:25.50 | anhday | yeah |
| 20:25.59 | anhday | i added myself in sudoers group |
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| 20:30.44 | samus | hello ,, is well supported bnx2 driver with Debian 4.1.2-25? |
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| 20:32.29 | LtL | anhday: so can you use sudo [command] in a terminal now? |
| 20:32.39 | samus | currently my debian server has too many packets dropped |
| 20:35.41 | LtL | anhday: note: you give sudo _your_ password, NOT root's pass |
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| 20:40.25 | Dumb_ | hi |
| 20:40.39 | LtL | samus: isn't that version 'etch'? |
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| 20:40.56 | LtL | hi Dumb_ |
| 20:40.58 | Dumb_ | im having trouble switching on my ddebian compurter |
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| 20:41.40 | LtL | Dumb_: ambiguous question, switching what exactly? |
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| 20:41.54 | Dumb_ | uh turning on the power |
| 20:42.04 | Dumb_ | nothing comes up on the screen |
| 20:42.21 | dmbaturin | Dumb_: Does the BIOD beep? |
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| 20:42.26 | samus | LtL: yes ,,, etch version |
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| 20:42.35 | Dumb_ | whats a biod? |
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| 20:42.41 | LtL | Dumb_: does the box spin up fans, drives etc? any POST beeps? |
| 20:42.43 | dmbaturin | * BIOS, of course. Typo. |
| 20:42.56 | Dumb_ | uh not sure what those things are, but i dont think so |
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| 20:43.26 | dmbaturin | Did you plug your power cable? ;) |
| 20:43.35 | LtL | samus: that driver is supported in the current stable release, with non-gree firmware |
| 20:43.40 | hotwings | is there any way to speed up the 'waiting for /dev to populate' step? |
| 20:43.55 | Dumb_ | oh thanks dmbaturin |
| 20:44.01 | Dumb_ | hmm |
| 20:44.13 | LtL | samus: *non-free that is |
| 20:44.20 | Dumb_ | its still not working |
| 20:45.11 | dmbaturin | Dumb_: If you don't hear any sounds like spinning up fans or drives, this means either your PSU or mainboard is dead. |
| 20:45.17 | LtL | Dumb_: is the box making any sounds, any screen messages? maybe a dead power supply. |
| 20:45.44 | Dumb_ | no i dont think so, its got plenty of power supply |
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| 20:47.05 | LtL | Dumb_: are the fans spinnings? no screen message or no screen at all? |
| 20:47.22 | abrotman | Dumb_: how is this related to Debian?try ##hardware |
| 20:47.29 | samus | LtL: interesting ,,, freeware version currently is unstable ? |
| 20:47.40 | LtL | abrotman: point taken. |
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| 20:47.45 | Dumb_ | no theres absolutely nothing happening |
| 20:48.02 | LtL | samus: etch is two releases back |
| 20:48.06 | abrotman | go to ##hardware . .. not a software problem |
| 20:48.29 | Dumb_ | no i installed debian a week ago, its definately debian |
| 20:48.48 | abrotman | Dumb_: if the computer does NOT turn on .. it is a hardware problem |
| 20:49.19 | dmbaturin | Dumb_: You may have a grounding problem. Try to cut a bit of your power cable insulation, connect to a central heater or something with a wire and turn your PSU on. |
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| 20:49.39 | abrotman | Dumb_: when you resolve your harware problem, please come back |
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| 20:51.55 | dmbaturin | Dumb_: Assuming you are not serious and aren't going to take any of my advice seriously, of course. |
| 20:52.52 | abrotman | dmbaturin: done yet? |
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| 20:53.12 | samus | LtL: could you give some differences between etch version and current ( I mean that there are obviously differences however for some reason is preserved at my job :s )? |
| 20:53.18 | samus | LtL:thnaks |
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| 20:55.12 | LtL | samus: that driver has bugs in the etch version, according to google searches, it is indeed usable with proper firmware, especially if you sequentially upgrade to the current release, etch > lenny > squeeze |
| 20:57.16 | LtL | samus: the current driver reported here, http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/firmware-bnx2 |
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| 20:57.43 | kerframil | samus: remember, you can still build a kernel without having to upgrade the whole distro and you can use Debian's make-kpkg tool to build a .deb package for circulation. firmware issues can be mitigated by enabling the option to compile firmware blobs directly into the kernel (might seem ugly but it eases deployment concerns). |
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| 21:01.47 | DynamicFail | how do you check if you have uvcvideo installed/ |
| 21:01.48 | DynamicFail | ? |
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| 21:01.54 | abrotman | the driver? |
| 21:03.23 | DynamicFail | yeah |
| 21:03.25 | LtL | DynamicFail: lsmod |grep uvcvidio ; or if it's a package dpkg -s packagename? |
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| 21:04.14 | DynamicFail | what would it mean if lsmod produced no output? |
| 21:04.19 | DynamicFail | without anything after it |
| 21:04.19 | LtL | DynamicFail: typo lsmod |grep uvcvideo |
| 21:04.55 | DynamicFail | I have linux running on a regular laptop and that works... and I see it. I have a custom build of the same version of linux |
| 21:05.02 | DynamicFail | running on an embedded computer |
| 21:05.09 | DynamicFail | and lsmod produces no output at all |
| 21:05.20 | DynamicFail | let alone lsmod | grep uvcvideo |
| 21:05.29 | LtL | DynamicFail: then the driver isn't loaded. you might try loading with, modprode uvcvideo |
| 21:06.08 | LtL | DynamicFail: lsmod has no ouput? |
| 21:06.13 | DynamicFail | Could not load /lib/modules/2.6.35+/modules.dep: No such file or directory |
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| 21:06.26 | DynamicFail | correct lsmod has no output |
| 21:06.46 | samus | kerframil: ok ,,, I wish to test a whole change into debian ,, the main reason to preserve etch version is that iptables can be well used from init daemons |
| 21:06.58 | LtL | DynamicFail: hrm, try /sbin/lsmod |
| 21:07.33 | DynamicFail | LtL, sorry the lsmod does display "Module Size Used by" but there is no output under it |
| 21:07.40 | Dumb_ | thanks abrotman, i figured out what MS is... on google site... |
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| 21:08.01 | DynamicFail | the ould not load /lib/modules/2.6.35+/modules.dep: No such file or directory" was a result of trying modprobe uvcvideo |
| 21:08.09 | Dumb_ | nobody answering me in ##hardware though |
| 21:08.37 | kerframil | samus: isn't etch dead for security updates now? anyway, I'm not questioning your reasons. just pointing out that there's a way to test a newer kernel without having to uproot other things. |
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| 21:09.06 | dioz | is this #debian ? |
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| 21:09.34 | abrotman | dioz: yes |
| 21:09.48 | dioz | hot |
| 21:09.51 | dioz | i'm a debian user |
| 21:09.55 | dioz | can i idle here? |
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| 21:10.04 | LtL | DynamicFail: what does cat /proc/modules say |
| 21:10.20 | Vasistha | dioz: hmm I think you should ask one of the 1110 people in here who is not saying anything, maybe they will answer your question ;) |
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| 21:10.30 | DynamicFail | LtL, nothing |
| 21:10.33 | DynamicFail | just went to the next line |
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| 21:11.32 | dclarke | I have a nice problem to deal with. I installed a second graphics card in my machine with the great hopes of running dual heads. oops. In BIOS I set the Matrox Millienium to be the primary screen and thus the AGP ATI Radeon would be the secondary .. what I have is test on bth screen and the ATI Radeon works as my console, text only and not must of anythin on the Matrox screen other than boot noises and then .. a blinking cursor .. is there a p |
| 21:12.02 | LtL | DynamicFail: something is wrong that I've never seen before |
| 21:12.03 | dclarke | utters "text on both screens" |
| 21:12.44 | kevlarman | dclarke: you got cut off at "is there a p" |
| 21:13.02 | dclarke | ooh .. sorry .. eas tryin to put in lots odetail |
| 21:13.05 | dclarke | let me try again |
| 21:13.07 | DynamicFail | The whole reason I'm doing this is I have a webcam that I'm trying to connect to and it works fine on my ubuntu laptop can play via vlc v4l2:// with the cam showing up as /dev/video0 but when I connect it to my embedded computer running vlc it doesn't play, and it shows up as /dev/usbdev2.X The only thing I could think of was that the drivers for cams weren't installed in the custom build of ubuntu for the emb comp. Does that seem like a reasonable con |
| 21:13.07 | DynamicFail | clusion? |
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| 21:13.36 | dclarke | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:13.54 | Vasistha | dclarke: hmm why don't you go back in the bios and set the agp card back to primary? |
| 21:13.56 | kevlarman | dclarke: 2 graphics cards is just a bad idea |
| 21:14.00 | dclarke | also .. this is Debian 6.0.4 on an AMD Athlon box .. nothing fancy |
| 21:14.14 | dclarke | Vasistha: yes .. you are quite right |
| 21:14.24 | LtL | DynamicFail: run this, dpkg -s module-init-tools |
| 21:14.26 | Vasistha | dclarke: although I think kevlarman's advice is probably better than mine |
| 21:14.30 | kevlarman | dclarke: why not just plug 2 monitors into a single card? |
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| 21:14.42 | jhutchins_wk | dclarke: xrandr |
| 21:14.52 | jhutchins_wk | kevlarman: Not all cards support that. |
| 21:14.53 | dclarke | however .. the idea was to have an old IBM E94 tube style monitor on the old Matrox and a nice acer flat panel on the ATI Radeo .. I am sure Xorg works fine with multiple cards and monitors |
| 21:15.24 | LtL | DynamicFail: if it's installed you have a bigger problem, re-submit your question to the channel. |
| 21:15.24 | kevlarman | dclarke: not really |
| 21:15.30 | Vasistha | dclarke: I don't know how well xorg actually works with multiple cards... |
| 21:15.50 | dclarke | wellll ... okay .. good suggestion .. let me shutdown .. reset BIOS to use the AGP card as primary and then see .. if .. maybe .. I can plug in two monitors to the one card |
| 21:15.56 | jhutchins_wk | xorg works fine with multiple cards as a general concept. Results may vary depending on the card. |
| 21:16.11 | jhutchins_wk | dclarke: Look at xrandr/xrandrtray. |
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| 21:16.24 | dclarke | well perhaps the grand issue here is I was trying too much too fast. I found an old old Matrox PCI card .. shoved it in |
| 21:16.25 | lupo20 | ciao |
| 21:16.29 | lupo20 | !list |
| 21:16.29 | dpkg | VATTENE VIA! |
| 21:16.32 | kevlarman | jhutchins_wk: i was under the impression you can't put 2 cards on 1 xorg screen |
| 21:16.40 | lupo20 | che vuoi?? |
| 21:16.42 | kevlarman | (in other words xrandr doesn't do much here) |
| 21:16.52 | jhutchins_wk | !it |
| 21:16.52 | dpkg | Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help. |
| 21:16.57 | dclarke | okay .. well thank you folks .. let me shutdown .. set the AGP card to primary .. reboot .. see what I Get from there |
| 21:17.17 | dclarke | in truth .. I can attach three screens |
| 21:17.26 | jhutchins_wk | kevlarman: People have built multi-card multi-screen systems. |
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| 21:17.29 | kevlarman | dclarke: no you can't |
| 21:17.34 | dclarke | I have a dual port VGA + DVI on ATI Radeon and then an old Matrox VGA |
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| 21:17.47 | kevlarman | dclarke: most old cards only support 2 outputs at the same time |
| 21:17.49 | dclarke | why not three screens ? |
| 21:18.05 | dclarke | wanders into philosophy mode |
| 21:18.10 | dclarke | sorry .. let me restate |
| 21:18.12 | jhutchins_wk | kevlarman: Suggest you google "multiple video cards xorg" |
| 21:18.26 | jhutchins_wk | Three-screen setups often use multiple cards. |
| 21:18.49 | juniorsa | Hi, I am trying to setup sftp chroot on my debian squeeze box, all is well except when filezilla logs in it says Status:Listing directory / Error: Unable to open. : permission denied - any ideas anyone? |
| 21:18.50 | dclarke | one would think, under optimal conditions, that drivers would load for a given set of pci cards and if two of those cards are graphics cards then the drivers related would service them .. however, Xorg woudl then need an interface to manage all of them |
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| 21:19.13 | kevlarman | jhutchins_wk: then you're stuck with either one monitor disconnected from the others, or no 3d |
| 21:19.21 | kevlarman | both of which i consider pretty useless |
| 21:19.36 | jhutchins_wk | kevlarman: Seriously, stop guessing and go google it. |
| 21:19.48 | DynamicFail_2 | LtL: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/840932/ |
| 21:20.23 | jhutchins_wk | I've seen a six-screen system with three cards. |
| 21:20.24 | LtL | DynamicFail_2: try #ubuntu |
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| 21:20.35 | jhutchins_wk | I know they've done bigger ones. |
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| 21:20.48 | dclarke | guys .. thanks, I will reboot and reset my AGP card back to primary |
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| 21:21.16 | dclarke | be back .. shortly I hope. OH, also, thankfully irssi still works from text mode |
| 21:21.53 | DynamicFail | LtL, I tried in there for past 3 hours and have gotten less help than you have given in the past 10 min |
| 21:22.45 | LtL | DynamicFail: I'm tempted to think it's a bad initramfs, but that's pure guesswork |
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| 21:23.13 | DynamicFail_2 | you don't think i just need to install a video driver? |
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| 21:23.36 | LtL | DynamicFail_2: are you using this box now? |
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| 21:24.39 | LtL | DynamicFail_2: does lspci work? |
| 21:24.47 | Dumb_ | can i ask... which version of debian is best? |
| 21:25.18 | jhutchins_wk | Dumb_: Stable. |
| 21:25.21 | DynamicFail_2 | LtL: not really: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/840938/ |
| 21:25.32 | LtL | Dumb_: ostensibly the current stable, squeeze |
| 21:26.01 | DynamicFail_2 | LtL: there is no desktop environment on the emb setup... I get into it from the COM port |
| 21:26.01 | jhutchins_wk | !ubuntu |
| 21:26.01 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
| 21:26.18 | Dumb_ | i just fix my computer, and got it to turn on... i wanna ask something but i afraid i get ban again |
| 21:27.05 | jhutchins_wk | Dumb_: As long as the question is related to debian support you'll be fine. |
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| 21:27.57 | Dumb_ | are you sure ? |
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| 21:28.17 | nsadmin | he's sure of what he said |
| 21:28.33 | dclarke | okay .. back with one monitor working .. that is an improvement |
| 21:29.28 | Dumb_ | i want to use my computer, but it ask for a username and password |
| 21:29.31 | Dumb_ | what should i put in? |
| 21:29.41 | LtL | DynamicFail_2: I really can't help you, it's seems to be a typical ubuntu problem. |
| 21:29.58 | nsadmin | the one you put in when you installed debian |
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| 21:30.03 | Kobaz | Dumb_: put in your username and password that you created |
| 21:30.17 | Dumb_ | oh i forgot to write it down... |
| 21:30.39 | Kobaz | then you'll need to boot a rescue cd and reset your password |
| 21:30.50 | sephii | I'm trying to set up a public key based ssh access in a chroot but my public key is always rejected. any hint? |
| 21:30.55 | Kobaz | you shouldn't need to write it down, it should be something you can easily remember |
| 21:31.07 | Dumb_ | oh, my memory isnt very good |
| 21:31.17 | Dumb_ | uhm, theres no other way to use my computer? |
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| 21:31.31 | Kobaz | no |
| 21:31.44 | nsadmin | if you keep sayinhg that to yourself your memory will get worse |
| 21:31.45 | Kobaz | other than resetting your password, no |
| 21:32.13 | nsadmin | or reinstalling |
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| 21:32.31 | Dumb_ | i dont know if i can still find my cd :( |
| 21:32.36 | Vasistha | wouldn't it work to boot from a rescue cd and overwrite /etc/shadow? |
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| 21:32.44 | dclarke | if I may ask .. if there a nice GUI tool to allow me to reconfigure X ? |
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| 21:32.59 | dclarke | seeks maximum magic here |
| 21:33.14 | nsadmin | Vasistha, of course it would... but in that case we have to show how to do that |
| 21:33.36 | jhutchins_wk | dclarke: Kde's kcontrol includes screen configuration which use XRANDR. |
| 21:33.37 | Kobaz | Dumb_: sadly... i think you should buy a mac |
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| 21:33.58 | Dumb_ | i was going to get one kobaz but they are a bit pricy arent they |
| 21:33.59 | Dumb_ | ? |
| 21:34.03 | Kobaz | ebay |
| 21:34.07 | Vasistha | Dumb_: if you can't afford a new one, look on craigslist for a new one |
| 21:34.14 | jhutchins_wk | wonders what Dumb_ is using if not his computer. |
| 21:34.15 | Vasistha | erm, I mean, a used one, duh. |
| 21:34.19 | Vasistha | heh |
| 21:34.24 | Kobaz | smartphone? |
| 21:35.02 | Dumb_ | i dont kno, really, i spent like £400 on this computers, i dont know if i can get my money back |
| 21:35.20 | Dumb_ | and it would be nice to learn debian because i hear its very good |
| 21:35.25 | nsadmin | was debian already installed? |
| 21:35.37 | Dumb_ | no, i install it |
| 21:35.59 | nsadmin | I'd say just install it again |
| 21:36.04 | Dumb_ | it had windows on it |
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| 21:36.28 | Dumb_ | i dont know where my cd is, i think i might have lost it |
| 21:36.37 | Kobaz | you can burn another one |
| 21:36.42 | nsadmin | how did you get it? |
| 21:36.53 | Vasistha | Dumb_: if you don't have the wherewithal to remember your username and password then I think debian might be a little bit too complicated for you |
| 21:36.54 | jhutchins_wk | No need for a CD. |
| 21:36.58 | Dumb_ | downloaded it... saved me a bit of money doing that :) |
| 21:37.19 | nsadmin | so you downloaded and burned a cd |
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| 21:37.46 | nsadmin | under windows, maybe? |
| 21:37.48 | Kobaz | there is definitely a serious learning curve to being able to use debian (and linux systems in general) |
| 21:38.01 | Dumb_ | yeh windows is easy to use |
| 21:38.51 | jhutchins_wk | Kobaz: I wouldn't say that it's any harder to USE Debian/Linux, but takes a bit more knowledge to administer/customize. |
| 21:39.05 | Kobaz | well yeah |
| 21:39.16 | Kobaz | if everything is preinstalled and you never do anything to try and break it |
| 21:39.28 | jhutchins_wk | Shall we give him the keys and assume that if he has physical posession he has legitimate control? |
| 21:39.46 | Vasistha | I dunno, I actually think it's easier to administer once it's set up. And setting it up can be easier or more difficult depending on your skill level |
| 21:39.50 | nsadmin | Dumb_, how many computers do you have? |
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| 21:40.15 | dclarke | for anyone that understand xrandr output .. does this say anything about two screens ? http://v440.adbs.ca/debian_6.0.4/xrandr.txt |
| 21:40.33 | Dumb_ | nsadmin: uhm, 3 nsadmin |
| 21:40.36 | Dumb_ | but ones broken |
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| 21:41.05 | nsadmin | if we eliminate the broken one and the one you installed debian on, |
| 21:41.22 | nsadmin | do you name your machines? what name for that one |
| 21:41.29 | kevlarman | dclarke: xrandr --output VGA-0 --auto |
| 21:41.34 | Dumb_ | Fluffy |
| 21:41.49 | nsadmin | and fluffy is the one you're talking to us on now? |
| 21:41.59 | dclarke | kevlarman, done |
| 21:42.08 | kevlarman | dclarke: is the monitor on now? |
| 21:42.13 | dclarke | nope |
| 21:42.19 | jhutchins_wk | Dumb_: Check your IRC for a message from dpkg. |
| 21:42.21 | dclarke | let me show you lspci and hwinfo --sort |
| 21:42.25 | dclarke | that may mean something |
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| 21:42.30 | kevlarman | dclarke: connected to the vga port right? |
| 21:42.52 | Dumb_ | jhutchins: oh i got it |
| 21:42.55 | dclarke | ummm ... I better check before I look like an id10t |
| 21:43.10 | dclarke | yep .. the second monitor is on a vga port on the Matrox card |
| 21:43.15 | jhutchins_wk | dclarke: Which howto are you reading for how to set up a dual-card system? |
| 21:43.16 | Dumb_ | oh so |
| 21:43.21 | dclarke | the primary is on ATI Radeon .. HDMI port |
| 21:43.27 | kevlarman | dclarke: oh |
| 21:43.37 | dclarke | one sec .. more data required I think |
| 21:43.38 | Dumb_ | how do i fuck my root file system? |
| 21:43.43 | meLon | Hmmm. droid-sans looks really aweful. What happened? xfce4-terminal squeeze |
| 21:43.44 | kevlarman | dclarke: i have no clue how to configure 2 card systems |
| 21:43.47 | Dumb_ | ohps, i mean, fsck |
| 21:43.53 | dclarke | bah hwinfo: command not found |
| 21:43.57 | kevlarman | well, with outputs on 2 cards anyway |
| 21:44.05 | dclarke | kevlarman, me neither .. but I believe I can figure it out |
| 21:44.13 | LtL | Dumb_: umount it first |
| 21:44.20 | dclarke | or even do a total re-install and let the instalelr figure it out ! :-) |
| 21:44.30 | kevlarman | can't get proper 3d in that case, so it's useless to me |
| 21:44.33 | jhutchins_wk | Dumb_: I usually do it through the shutdown command so it checks on reboot. |
| 21:45.03 | Dumb_ | wow... why did they make debian so complicated :) |
| 21:45.15 | abrotman | Dumb_: are you going to keep trolling ? |
| 21:45.18 | Dumb_ | uhm, ok... umount root |
| 21:45.18 | dclarke | Dumb_, because it freaking rocks ! |
| 21:45.30 | LtL | The longer any debian box i've ever had runs better the longer it runs, life is good :) |
| 21:45.34 | dclarke | Dumb_, want complicated .. go install Solaris |
| 21:45.41 | LtL | wrong channel, apologies |
| 21:45.58 | jhutchins_wk | Dumb_: Actually, there's no real need for that step. |
| 21:46.03 | Dumb_ | abrotman: trolling? |
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| 21:47.56 | dclarke | if anyone is curious http://v440.adbs.ca/debian_6.0.4/hwinfo.txt |
| 21:48.08 | dclarke | also http://v440.adbs.ca/debian_6.0.4/lspci.txt |
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| 21:48.14 | dclarke | so I'll figure this out |
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| 21:48.42 | jhutchins_wk | dclarke: Is google down today? |
| 21:49.02 | dclarke | takes a direct slap to the face |
| 21:49.03 | faolchu-aonair | no |
| 21:49.06 | dclarke | er .... well ... |
| 21:49.08 | Dumb_ | dclarke: where can i download solaris? |
| 21:49.33 | dclarke | I have every intentions of reading the Xorg conf docs on this .. and will. However, if there was expert guidance here .. then I seek here first |
| 21:49.45 | dclarke | Dumb_, goto www.oracle.com |
| 21:50.36 | jhutchins_wk | dclarke: It's just that it seems to be pretty well documented and there's no reason to try to guess your way through it. |
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| 21:51.13 | jhutchins_wk | dclarke: I know people have done it, but it does depends somewhat on your hardware. |
| 21:51.45 | Dumb_ | dclarke: is solaris better than debian? |
| 21:52.05 | abrotman | Dumb_: this channel is for Debian support .. not hrdware, not solaris .. go somewhere else |
| 21:52.20 | Dumb_ | oh |
| 21:52.22 | ubiquitous1980 | Dumb_: that is sucha weird question to ask here |
| 21:52.39 | ubiquitous1980 | Dumb_: you want a distro channel to say something else is better |
| 21:52.48 | rypervenche | He's a troll, just kick him. |
| 21:53.01 | Dumb_ | im not a troll |
| 21:53.05 | Dumb_ | i just came for some help |
| 21:53.22 | ubiquitous1980 | Dumb_: looks like a troll, smells like a troll, grunts like a troll - I'd say it's a troll. |
| 21:53.22 | dclarke | goes to http://linux.die.net/man/5/xorg.conf and reads carefully |
| 21:53.40 | ubiquitous1980 | dclarke: you should have that manpage on your system if you installed xorg. |
| 21:54.41 | dclarke | ubiquitous1980, I have decided to go get beer .. then study Xorg conf .. |
| 21:54.48 | ubiquitous1980 | Dumb_: for the record, I am on about 4 different distro channels at the moment and I don't think any of the represented distros are better than any of the other. |
| 21:55.18 | ubiquitous1980 | dclarke: good luck man, but by the time you are finished, the Wayland server would have been used by all main distros for 3 years. |
| 21:57.32 | Dumb_ | oh ok |
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| 21:59.58 | Moebius | Dumb_, defin "better". |
| 22:00.00 | Moebius | define* |
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| 22:00.13 | Moebius | Dumb_, and maybe then they will help you |
| 22:00.28 | nsadmin | Dumb_, just find your CD :P |
| 22:00.36 | Dumb_ | uhm i dont think abrotman likes me talking about things arent debian |
| 22:01.21 | Moebius | Dumb_, not only him |
| 22:01.50 | ubiquitous1980 | Dumb_: they probably don't like you comparing....or asking for a comparison...use google for this. On the other hand, just enjoy Debian. It is a great distro really. |
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| 22:02.32 | Dulak | One man's best is another man's worst. |
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| 22:02.47 | Dumb_ | i keep getting told i need a username and password to change it to... is there a way to get rid of this? |
| 22:02.56 | Dumb_ | so i dont need to enter one |
| 22:02.57 | Moebius | ubiquitous1980, depends... for some it's great, for some not really. People get satsfied by Arch nowadays. It gets along with their hardware.. So i guess it's hardware that's kinda questioned here... so nobody really knows what's better for him |
| 22:03.02 | Rovanion | Postfix refuses to start, where can I find it's log? |
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| 22:03.39 | LtL | Rovanion: /var/log/ |
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| 22:03.58 | Dulak | Rovanion: /var/log/daemon.log and/or /var/log/mail.err |
| 22:04.28 | Dulak | Dumb_: Change what? |
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| 22:04.31 | ubiquitous1980 | Moebius: I use Debian, Arch, Gentoo, Fedora...I get your point. On the other hand, is it really that hard to package your own kernel? |
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| 22:04.37 | Moebius | ubiquitous1980, i cant say that Debian is great, but it's the best out of all for me. |
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| 22:04.59 | Moebius | ubiquitous1980, erm.. i heard it's kinda difficult. Also.. i don't like that WMs are often tied down to kernels... |
| 22:05.02 | Dumb_ | i want it so i dont have to enter username and password, and just press enter instead... to save me time |
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| 22:05.12 | Moebius | for example.. i can't use Gnome 2 on testing/wheezy anymore. |
| 22:05.14 | Moebius | that sucks. |
| 22:05.16 | Dumb_ | how do i do this? |
| 22:05.34 | Dulak | Dumb_: but when? what are you doing that it asks for a user/pass? Logging in? Making changes to cofig files? |
| 22:05.35 | kevlarman | Moebius: mate is there if you *really* want it |
| 22:05.47 | nsadmin | well you have to enter a username... the password can be blank |
| 22:05.48 | Rovanion | Thanks, will have a look |
| 22:05.49 | kevlarman | they are really young though |
| 22:05.56 | Dumb_ | when i turn on my computer normally |
| 22:06.09 | Dumb_ | uhm... ok, i cant have blank username? |
| 22:06.09 | Dulak | Dumb_: So logging in? |
| 22:06.21 | Dulak | Dumb_: nope, you have to have a username |
| 22:06.30 | nsadmin | Dulak, installed, rebooted, it came up, asked for user/pass. |
| 22:06.41 | Dumb_ | can i just have it as a space? thats easy to remember |
| 22:06.57 | nsadmin | username could be "dumb" but I don't recommend that |
| 22:07.10 | Dumb_ | ok |
| 22:07.14 | Dumb_ | i think of something :) |
| 22:07.17 | Dumb_ | thanks for all your help |
| 22:07.24 | LtL | Dumb_: in gnome you can dropdown the sytem menu, login screen option and change your login preferences. |
| 22:07.27 | ubiquitous1980 | Moebius: packaging a kernel requires some reading...but seriously, it isn't all that hard to even just download the latest kernel, compile it, make an initram disk, install the kernel and initram disk to /boot and update grub |
| 22:08.10 | Dulak | Dumb_: once you choose a user/pass and login you can set you gnome config to login automatically on boot, though that sticks the password somewhere in plaintext. |
| 22:08.13 | Moebius | ubiquitous1980, but why would anyone do it? |
| 22:08.26 | ubiquitous1980 | Moebius: increased hardware support, if needed |
| 22:08.52 | Moebius | ubiquitous1980, i mean.. if i want another kernel i can just as easily install another distro with the newer kernel shipped along with it |
| 22:09.04 | Rovanion | Dumb_: There exists a couple mail.log.X but they are all empty, same with daemon.log. |
| 22:09.19 | Dumb_ | Moebius: i hear that word kernel before, what does it do? |
| 22:09.26 | ubiquitous1980 | Moebius: one might like the structure of debian and general stability of packages, along with the social contract |
| 22:09.35 | Moebius | Dumb_, it's all your system basically. THat mainly understands your hardware. |
| 22:09.48 | ubiquitous1980 | Dulak: are you sure it sticks the password in plaintext somewhere? |
| 22:09.49 | Moebius | ubiquitous1980, right. i see. |
| 22:09.52 | Dulak | Moebius: linux has a nasty habit of detecting different nic chipsets in random order when the driver is a module, so if you have 2 different kinds of nic and want to have consistency in your ethX device numbering you'd recompile the kernel with the nic drivers built in. That's one example. |
| 22:09.57 | ubiquitous1980 | Dulak: why would it need to since in runs as root? |
| 22:10.01 | Moebius | ubiquitous1980, well... then people use Testing for that.. or Sid.. |
| 22:10.22 | Moebius | Dulak, i see. |
| 22:10.22 | ubiquitous1980 | Moebius: yeah, but that moves all packages, not just one. |
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| 22:10.44 | Moebius | ubiquitous1980, true.. but how can i possibly keep all my software intact but to replace only the kernel?.. |
| 22:10.50 | Dulak | ubiquitous1980: I'm pretty sure it sticks the password in plain text into the gnome config, because it runs the login as the user, not as root. |
| 22:10.51 | Rovanion | Syslog-ng.conf seems to indicate that that is indeed where the logs should be. But they are empty... |
| 22:11.07 | barxool | Hi all. I "straced" iptables hoping to see an AF_NETLINK socket somewhere, but there were none. Why iptables doesn't use AF_NETLINK to communicate with netfilter ? isn't it the recommended way for userspace/kernel communication now ? |
| 22:11.13 | ubiquitous1980 | Moebius: I managed my own kernel on several distros, it is very dable. |
| 22:11.24 | Moebius | ubiquitous1980, hmm... cool man. |
| 22:11.26 | ubiquitous1980 | Dulak: root can log in as any user and use their parameters |
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| 22:11.39 | ubiquitous1980 | Moebius: sorry, I meant doable |
| 22:11.42 | Moebius | ubiquitous1980, so you mean.. i can keep Gnome 2.30 from stable but can upgrade my kernel up to 3.0? |
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| 22:11.53 | ubiquitous1980 | Moebius: I see no reason why not |
| 22:11.58 | delby | hi. is there a way to know which repo a package on my system was installed from? |
| 22:12.01 | ubiquitous1980 | Moebius: I can try it later if you want |
| 22:12.02 | Moebius | ubiquitous1980, that's awesome dude.... |
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| 22:12.06 | Moebius | ubiquitous1980, SURE!! |
| 22:12.11 | Dulak | ubiquitous1980: Login does not get done by root, unless root is the username you login as. |
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| 22:12.15 | Moebius | ubiquitous1980, damn.. i always thought it's impossible. |
| 22:12.18 | ubiquitous1980 | Moebius: ok, well I have to go to work soon, but I will get back to you |
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| 22:12.28 | ubiquitous1980 | Dulak: gdm is run as root |
| 22:12.31 | Moebius | ubiquitous1980, sure man.. see you later. |
| 22:12.31 | faolchu-aonair | g'day ubiquitous1980 |
| 22:12.40 | ubiquitous1980 | faolchu-aonair: I have to head faolchu-aonair but "hi" |
| 22:12.42 | Moebius | ubiquitous1980, that's very good news there. Lifts me up :) |
| 22:12.42 | ubiquitous1980 | :D |
| 22:12.45 | faolchu-aonair | :P |
| 22:12.49 | ubiquitous1980 | Moebius: :D |
| 22:13.19 | Dulak | ubiquitous1980: I suggest you read up on how gdm and login works. Sure gdm runs as root, but that is not the login you are performing. And the password is in plaintext somewhere if you have autologin enabled. |
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| 22:14.02 | ubiquitous1980 | Dulak: I just asked, I didn't say I know "for sure" and gave decent arguments as to why one may not need to store as plaintext |
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| 22:14.13 | ubiquitous1980 | Dulak: I have to go, hopefully we can chat later |
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| 22:14.57 | Dulak | Didn't mean to come across like a dbag there, sorry. |
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| 22:15.36 | simonlnu | delby: apt-cache policy foopackagename [bar baz] ([] means optional) |
| 22:16.45 | delby | simonlnu: thanks |
| 22:17.16 | simonlnu | np |
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| 22:18.18 | Dumb_ | brb - noodles |
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| 22:23.21 | Dumb_ | back |
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| 22:29.12 | g0rd0n | is the daemon user supposed to have a password? |
| 22:29.19 | Dumb_ | whats the best browser to use on debian? |
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| 22:29.48 | Mateuszrb | web browser or file browser? |
| 22:29.57 | Dumb_ | whats the difference? |
| 22:30.15 | Mateuszrb | well a web browser allows you to view web pages |
| 22:30.25 | Mateuszrb | a file browser allows you to view your file system |
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| 22:30.30 | Mateuszrb | like explorer in windows |
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| 22:30.37 | Dumb_ | oh |
| 22:30.47 | engla | hey don't forget spatial file managers |
| 22:30.52 | engla | toss that browsing files crap |
| 22:30.53 | engla | :-) |
| 22:31.00 | Dumb_ | id like something to browse web pages |
| 22:31.01 | Dumb_ | :) |
| 22:31.02 | Mateuszrb | there are some like konqueror which allows you to do both |
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| 22:31.36 | engla | Dumb_: iceweasel, if you use a recent (not squeeze) version |
| 22:31.37 | Mateuszrb | it comes down to personal preference then. firefox, chrome, chromium |
| 22:31.56 | Mateuszrb | etc |
| 22:32.12 | Xat` | Dumb_ chrome :) |
| 22:32.30 | Moebius | Dumb_, i'd say Iceweasel/Firefox. It's the best for me though. Works fine with flash and java applets. |
| 22:32.46 | Moebius | as for Opera and Chrome/Chromium.. things are not always that smooth. |
| 22:33.03 | Moebius | especially in Opera. It's one buggy piece of a software, mainly when it comes down to flash stuff. |
| 22:33.35 | Moebius | engla, and also, Firefox/Iceweasel 3.6 is great. |
| 22:34.00 | Moebius | engla, still the best for me. I like the interface and functionality is the same good. I see no difference between that and latest one. |
| 22:34.25 | engla | nah later versions are a lot better wrt memory use and speed |
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| 22:34.41 | Moebius | maybe. However, i keep to the classic one though. |
| 22:34.54 | simonlnu | i've found it all depends on what sort of flash applet it is, crappy or not. the crappy ones opera's plugin handler has a hard time with. firefox does too, but less so after they split out the plugin handler from the main binary. |
| 22:35.01 | Mateuszrb | Dumb_: try each one until you find one you like |
| 22:35.05 | Dumb_ | Mateuszrb: I need to download lots of files, which browser do you think is the fastest at that? |
| 22:35.26 | simonlnu | Dumb_: nothing to do with browser, all depends on your network. |
| 22:35.27 | Mateuszrb | browser shouldn't matter too much |
| 22:35.30 | Moebius | Dumb_, you wanted to say which one is most comfortable for that. I'd use opera though. |
| 22:35.46 | Moebius | Dumb_, comfy download list. |
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| 22:36.16 | Dumb_ | oh good, because i used to have internet explorer on my other computer |
| 22:36.22 | Dumb_ | and it was so slow it was unbeleivable |
| 22:36.35 | Dumb_ | i got popups every 5 minutes |
| 22:36.46 | Dumb_ | i dont like it very much |
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| 22:37.46 | simonlnu | it probably got trojaned or too many "toolbars" |
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| 22:38.12 | Dulak | Dumb_: the browser jacking you experienced in IE is near impossible to do in linux. Not entirely impossible but enough to the point the people who write those trojans just don't bother. |
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| 22:39.46 | Dumb_ | browser jacking? |
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| 22:39.59 | Dumb_ | oh |
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| 22:40.31 | Dulak | Yes, when a trojan hijacks the browser, giving popups and changing default pages and such. It's called browser jacking. |
| 22:41.19 | Dumb_ | oh thank god... now i can tell my wife that i wasnt visiting those sites |
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| 22:41.24 | Dumb_ | she was pretty angry |
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| 22:42.53 | karlpinc | Dumb_: You seem new. I'm sending you some factoids FYI. |
| 22:42.59 | karlpinc | !tell Dumb_ about grounding |
| 22:43.05 | karlpinc | !tell Dumb_ about overview |
| 22:43.32 | Dumb_ | oh thank yoos |
| 22:43.41 | karlpinc | Dumb_: And don't be afraid to ask questions. |
| 22:43.47 | Dumb_ | !tell me about introduction |
| 22:43.56 | Dumb_ | !tell me introduction |
| 22:44.02 | karlpinc | !tell Dumb_ about msg the bot |
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| 22:44.03 | Dumb_ | oh |
| 22:44.40 | simonlnu | Dumb_: karlpinc just told one of our bots here to give you some info to read, to help you get a good grounding in linux, and debian. even reading some of it will help. if you see a <some words> in the messages, it means you can ask the bot for that keyword, called a factoid. |
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| 22:45.19 | Dumb_ | neat |
| 22:45.34 | Dumb_ | this bot is amazing, how long did it take for you to program it? |
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| 22:45.58 | Dumb_ | !tell Dumb_ about security |
| 22:46.19 | karlpinc | Dumb_: The bot was surely easy, compared to other things. The facotids have been accumulating for I don't know how many years. |
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| 22:46.22 | Cybertinus | !tell Cybertinus about selinux |
| 22:46.26 | simonlnu | you can also do /msg dpkg factoid |
| 22:46.36 | karlpinc | !msg the bot |
| 22:46.36 | dpkg | Please have conversations with the bots in a private message as much as possible. Instead of using "!topic" or "!tell <your nick> about <topic>" in the channel, you can just "/msg dpkg topic". See <bot help> and http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn more and browse my factoids on-line at http://ircbots.debian.net/ . If you're helping people, you can check that you have the right factoid before showing it to others. |
| 22:47.21 | Cybertinus | ah, sry, will do that next time |
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| 22:48.56 | karlpinc | Dumb_: The factoids are like a wiki for irc. Quality varies, but the oft-used ones are good and the whole thing is invaluable. |
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| 22:49.11 | Dumb_ | wiki? |
| 22:49.30 | Dumb_ | you mean a wikipedia |
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| 22:49.50 | karlpinc | Dumb_: Wikipedia is a wiki. |
| 22:49.50 | simonlnu | no, a wiki. wikipedia is the most well-known one |
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| 22:50.01 | simonlnu | before it was c2 |
| 22:50.10 | Dumb_ | uh i thought wiki was short for wikipedia |
| 22:50.25 | simonlnu | nope, it's short for wiki wiki |
| 22:50.34 | Dumb_ | you sure? |
| 22:50.38 | engla | Dumb_: you should look up Wiki in wikipedia |
| 22:50.39 | simonlnu | yes. |
| 22:50.40 | Mateuszrb | lol |
| 22:50.43 | Dumb_ | lol, wiki sounds like a funny name lol |
| 22:50.47 | karlpinc | Dumb_: Wikipedia wiki. :-) But we're offtopic. For random chatting you can go to #debian-offtopic. |
| 22:50.56 | simonlnu | it's not, it's hawai'ian |
| 22:50.58 | karlpinc | Dumb_: It's Hawaiian. All their names are funny. |
| 22:50.58 | Dumb_ | oh sorry |
| 22:51.53 | Dumb_ | someone told me if i run debian that people cant hack my computer anymore? |
| 22:51.56 | Dumb_ | is that true |
| 22:52.19 | simonlnu | they can, if youre not careful, but not the same way as windows, no. |
| 22:52.21 | karlpinc | Dumb_: No. Anything can be hacked. |
| 22:52.23 | simonlnu | you're* |
| 22:52.45 | simonlnu | though the vectors can change somewhat |
| 22:53.56 | Dumb_ | but you would have to be like a super genius person to hack debian though rite? |
| 22:53.59 | karlpinc | Dumb_: You're a lot better off, but you can still be hacked. Anything from somebody giving you a candy bar for your password to sophisticated government-level crypto-hacking to old fashioned break into your house and modify your hardware. |
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| 22:54.40 | Kamping_Kaiser | or spray and pray sploits, or xss+payload, or ... |
| 22:54.53 | karlpinc | Dumb_: If you set your root password to "password" and allow the world to access your box with ssh it won't take but a few minutes before your cracked. |
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| 22:55.38 | Dumb_ | karlpinc, id never do something that stupid... |
| 22:55.56 | simonlnu | good thing to try out for a honeypot though ;p |
| 22:56.01 | Dumb_ | karlpinc, i set it to 1234 |
| 22:56.05 | simonlnu | heh heh |
| 22:57.27 | Dumb_ | if i use debian... can i use websites that other people cant use? |
| 22:57.34 | simonlnu | make a fake user called fred, then set the password to password or 1234, allow root login on ssh, and wait 10 minutes |
| 22:57.39 | lstarnes | Dumb_: not really |
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| 22:58.04 | Dumb_ | lstarnes: are you telling me that to keep them secret for yourself? :) |
| 22:58.14 | lstarnes | well they don't exist really |
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| 22:58.38 | Dumb_ | sure *caugh* *caugh* *sneeze* |
| 22:58.48 | lstarnes | I don't think someone on windows can really use the online package info sites for debian for example |
| 22:58.49 | karlpinc | Dumb_: The internet is an agreement: http://www.worldofends.com/ |
| 22:58.50 | Dumb_ | so how do i find these dont existing websites :) |
| 22:59.07 | aidalgol | Dumb_: Debian has far fewer security bugs than Windows, and the Debian Security Team is much quicker to respond to discovered vulnerabilities than Microsoft, so you don't have to worry so much about privilege escalation. (Someone please correct me if that's not quite right.) |
| 22:59.09 | lstarnes | they don't exist so you can't find them |
| 22:59.10 | abrotman | you guys are still feeding .. |
| 22:59.55 | aidalgol | Dumb_: But it doesn't protect users from their own stupidity. You still have to be careful. |
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| 23:00.07 | Dumb_ | it doesnt? |
| 23:00.22 | Dumb_ | thats not good |
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| 23:02.08 | somiaj | feeds abrotman |
| 23:02.34 | Dumb_ | i dont think abrotman likes me :( |
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| 23:05.06 | JQuazar | I have a machine running Squeeze headless in my closet, and another in the front room. Can I "export the display" from the closet to my front room? |
| 23:05.17 | JQuazar | I know I can, just can't recall how at all, anyone help? |
| 23:05.50 | somiaj | JQuazar: depends on what you mean by export the display? Do you just want to loginto the machine and have a terminal, just use ssh |
| 23:05.57 | lstarnes | JQuazar: you'd actually do it the other way, exporting the display from your front room to your closet |
| 23:06.05 | somiaj | JQuazar: if you want to run some application on that system use X11 forwarding |
| 23:06.07 | karlpinc | JQuazar: X11Vnc is what a lot of folks use. YMMV. I tend to use use a <dm> and run X over the network. |
| 23:06.08 | Kamping_Kaiser | aidalgol: i'd counter that microsoft having several orders of magnitude more systems in teh wild need more time to test changes before releasing them |
| 23:06.26 | teratoma | im making a local network only custom apt repo. i cant use nginx apache or lighttpd for this. any suggestions? |
| 23:06.31 | lstarnes | JQuazar: you can do this by ssh forwarding from the front romm with ssh -XY user@closet, then start things from there |
| 23:06.34 | karlpinc | Kamping_Kaiser: #debian-offoptic |
| 23:06.42 | JQuazar | thanks! Yes I want to "export" the X environment |
| 23:06.49 | Kamping_Kaiser | karlpinc: i'm already in one :p |
| 23:06.57 | JQuazar | -XY hmm!! |
| 23:07.04 | lstarnes | JQuazar: X is a little weird in that the X server usually runs on the client |
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| 23:07.46 | karlpinc | lstarnes: Really, it's just that the server is what's sitting in front of the person. |
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| 23:07.53 | TechDesk | is away: /away |
| 23:07.58 | JQuazar | lstarnes, thanks I will try that at the earliest opportunity... yes, I remember the backward part |
| 23:08.16 | JQuazar | is sitting on a third computer right now, running the wrong OS :) |
| 23:08.30 | lstarnes | teratoma: wht can't you use those? I think there's thttpd or tinyhttpd or something like that |
| 23:08.34 | Dumb_ | i got 3 computers too ;) |
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| 23:08.50 | aidalgol | Kamping_Kaiser: Yeah, I'm not saying they do a bad job, but they are, indeed, slower. |
| 23:09.10 | Kamping_Kaiser | agreed |
| 23:09.16 | Kamping_Kaiser | disappears for a while |
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| 23:11.36 | teratoma | lstarnes: im already running those services and i dont feel like screwing around with puppet templates for them right now |
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| 23:21.42 | karlpinc | JQuazar: In the closet put something like DisallowTCP=false in the [security] section of /etc/gdm/gdm.conf, then '/usr/bin/X :0 vt8 -query closet.example.com' will run X on vt8 in front of you. (I think there's a wiki page on the debian wiki, or maybe something in the reference guide.) |
| 23:21.56 | karlpinc | !tell JQuazar about vt |
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| 23:26.05 | Dumb_ | are there any good games being released for debian this year? |
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| 23:27.36 | Timmy | hey Dumb_ |
| 23:27.40 | Dumb_ | anyone? |
| 23:27.47 | Dumb_ | hi Timmy :) |
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| 23:29.31 | Timmy | i need to my wireless connection get restarted in a special condition, like if the speed of the connection was lower than a 30 KB/s .how can i do this? |
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| 23:32.41 | Dumb_ | nobody answered my q? |
| 23:35.12 | dondelelcaro | Timmy: figure out how to measure that condition, then write a cronjob or similar to restart the wireless connection |
| 23:35.31 | dondelelcaro | Timmy: how you restart the wireless connection depends on what you're using to start it; wicd has a cli mode, and I believe nm does too. |
| 23:35.43 | dondelelcaro | (and if you're using /etc/network/interfaces, it's even easier) |
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| 23:36.11 | dondelelcaro | Dumb_: there are new uploads of games for Debian all the time, but AFAIK no one publishes release schedules |
| 23:36.19 | Timmy | dondelelcaro: yes, but my problem is to find out how to measure this |
| 23:36.21 | dondelelcaro | Dumb_: if you're asking about commercial games, IDK. |
| 23:36.34 | cheasee | hi |
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| 23:36.49 | dondelelcaro | Timmy: well, what do you mean "speed of connection lower than 30KB/s"? Are you talking about total throughput? or what |
| 23:37.14 | Timmy | dondelelcaro: speed of download |
| 23:37.33 | dondelelcaro | Timmy: you can track errors on the wireless connection, you can track the actual connection speed, or you can occasionally download a file to see what sort of speed you're getting, or you can track the total bandwith you're getting currently |
| 23:37.59 | dondelelcaro | Timmy: the latter is a bit difficult, because you clearly can't measure it if you're not actually trying to download something |
| 23:39.30 | cheasee | Timmy: did you scan your area for other wifi and optimized wifi settings? |
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| 23:40.06 | Timmy | im on a public wireless accesspoint, the maximum speed of this accesspoint is 16 Mb/s , but when i reach to this speed it will fail or somethin like that and my will not work for me anymore untill i restart the connection. i want somethin to do this for me |
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| 23:41.10 | cipher__ | I am running xcompmgr with cairo-dock, xcomp is drawing shadows around cairo, and i cannot click in the shaded region? http://i39.tinypic.com/2e3omzl.png Also I am on fluxbox. |
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| 23:53.01 | JQuazar | karlpinc, thanks! |
| 23:53.46 | Some_Person | I think my ISP is doing some kind of weird traffic shaping or something, especially with YouTube. I cannot stream YouTube practically at all at the moment from here, but if I connect through my VPS (which is actually on the other side of the world) with OpenVPN, it works just fine |
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| 23:54.27 | JQuazar | S_P that is total BS, which ISP? |
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| 23:55.24 | Some_Person | JQuazar: I have AT&T U-Verse, and yes, I'm surprised as hell |
| 23:55.56 | JQuazar | worries about ISP degredation, but not enough to actually install something to monitor it |
| 23:56.20 | Some_Person | YouTube has a little speed indicator if you right click and choose "Show Video Info". I was getting ~800-1200 through my connection vs ~1000-4000 through the VPS |
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| 23:56.42 | Some_Person | (that's in kbps) |
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| 23:58.32 | Matiasu | Hello there |
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