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| 00:01.12 | dpkg | VATTENE VIA! |
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| 00:36.08 | lapsusbrutus | hi guys, got a strang problem: bluethoothd runs, and disabled it from rc.. is it the Networkmanager that is doing strange things? |
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| 00:39.24 | trysten | lapsusbrutus: could be? i don't know how much NetworkManager does. i use wicd. (also don't have bluetooth) |
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| 00:42.02 | lapsusbrutus | hmm looks like I forgot to restart.. and prosesses run as before :p That would explain it hehe. Still, have a feeling that NetworkManager is doing things behind my back... |
| 00:42.02 | Delf | Do we have something like $time and $date? |
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| 00:42.12 | abrotman | Delf: in what? |
| 00:42.21 | Delf | abrotman: The prompt |
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| 00:42.38 | trysten | lapsusbrutus: i got that feeling to, then moved to wicd. it's simple, but i don't know if it supports bluetooth. |
| 00:42.46 | Delf | Any builtin variables for the time and date? |
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| 00:42.48 | abrotman | Delf: there is a 'date' command ? |
| 00:43.01 | themill | Delf: man bash and look at the PROMPTING section |
| 00:43.24 | lapsusbrutus | trysten: dont think I have bluetooth.. not sure :p, And if I have Ill never ever use it. so I might switch too |
| 00:44.06 | trysten | lapsusbrutus: it's pretty sweet. i'm sure it can handle auto-connecting, but i have not bothered to set it up. handles wpa2 perfectly, which is what i got it fore |
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| 00:49.36 | Delf | themill, abrotman: I'm trying to run a script: echo "added $file @ $time - $date">>file.log |
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| 00:50.26 | trysten | Delf, you'll need to use the date command. you also might want to read up on bash scripting some more. |
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| 00:55.48 | Delf | I sure as hell need to read up on bash scripting |
| 00:56.14 | abrotman | Delf: you probably want #bash |
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| 00:56.56 | Delf | Yes, when I get stuck or when the man or documentations make no sense to me |
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| 00:57.15 | Delf | Thank you all for your help! :D |
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| 01:06.09 | langkid1 | Can anyone tell me what went wrong here? http://vps3.langkid1.me/virtualmin-install.log |
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| 01:07.05 | langkid1 | sorry |
| 01:07.09 | langkid1 | it doesn't have the error |
| 01:07.14 | langkid1 | upon running that manually, the error is |
| 01:07.16 | langkid1 | E: Opening configuration file apt.conf.noninteractive - ifstream::ifstream (2: No such file or directory) |
| 01:08.33 | langkid1 | keeled two people! |
| 01:08.37 | langkid1 | IT WAS A ACCIDENT |
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| 01:12.10 | trysten | keelhauls langkid1 |
| 01:12.25 | langkid1 | oh dang |
| 01:12.27 | langkid1 | WRONG CHANNEL |
| 01:12.28 | langkid1 | Sorry! |
| 01:12.35 | langkid1 | I thought I was on another network1 |
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| 01:25.04 | k-man | i have an HP ml370 g5 server with a ATI ES1000, 32 MB video card, what do i need to do to make it work in xorg? |
| 01:25.59 | k-man | according to xorg it is the RV100 |
| 01:26.03 | valerie | can't start my computer. get a message /dev/sda5: UNEXPECTED INCONSISTENCY; RUN fsck manually, fsck died with exit status 4. Any suggestions on what I should do? |
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| 01:27.10 | k-man | valerie: maybe boot from a live CD and run fsck that way? |
| 01:27.25 | k-man | valerie: i'm not an expert though |
| 01:27.39 | k-man | valerie: is /dev/sda5 your root partition? |
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| 01:27.54 | LtL | k-man: try looking for support for that card here - http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ |
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| 01:28.29 | k-man | ltl, interesting link thanks |
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| 01:30.29 | valerie | k-man, it is actually not my computer, but the message says that the fsck should be performed in maintenance mode with the root filesystem mounted in read-only mode |
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| 01:31.44 | k-man | valerie: well, from my experience, if it won't boot, you'll have to boot using a live distribution of some sort, on CD or usb key or something, then run fsck that way. the drive sounds as though its very sick, so it might also be wise to try and get any valuable data off it asap |
| 01:33.25 | technologov | was reading the Patent FAQ |
| 01:33.51 | valerie | k-man, thanks a lot |
| 01:33.58 | technologov | and wonders, whenever it is right that Debian distributes MP3 and MPEG4 codecs... |
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| 01:34.05 | technologov | http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=66636&p=420274#p420274 |
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| 01:36.00 | abrotman | technologov_afk: are you ranting again? |
| 01:36.40 | Kamping_Kaiser | technologov_afk: please stop with the nick changing. if you are away, mark yourself /away |
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| 01:41.02 | lapsusbrutus | if USA shuts down ICANN, is there any DNS servers today that will be able to keep the net going? |
| 01:41.42 | kevlarman | lapsusbrutus: um, i don't think icann even runs any dns servers |
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| 01:42.06 | kevlarman | ok i stand corrected |
| 01:42.22 | kevlarman | they run 1 of the 13 root servers |
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| 01:45.45 | Matiasu | When I connect my mobile in USB network mode my computer doesn't recognize it as one. I have tried the same from a live CD and it works well! what can it be? do I need any additional driver in Debian? |
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| 01:49.22 | Matiasu | any idea? |
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| 01:49.38 | optraz | ~wine |
| 01:49.38 | apt | Emulator of the Windows 3.x and Win32 APIs.. URL: http://www.winehq.com/, or a good way of curing the aches and pains of a systems integrator, or not half as good as beer, or best served in a clean wine glass after supper, or comes in may colours and flavors |
| 01:50.01 | optraz | !wine |
| 01:50.01 | dpkg | Wine (Wine Is Not an Emulator) is an application intended to allow execution of Microsoft Windows programs on Unix-like operating systems. Application compatibility database: http://appdb.winehq.org/ . The beta Wine packages from lamaresh.net are not supported in #debian. http://wiki.winehq.org/FAQ http://www.winehq.org/ #winehq on irc.freenode.net. See also <mmap_min_addr> regarding use of Win16 binaries. See <newer wine>. |
| 01:50.32 | optraz | !newer wine |
| 01:50.32 | dpkg | Debian has both wine and wine-unstable packages that contain various releases of Wine. They have not been recently updated as it was not possible to build packages for amd64 with the tools in Debian. Ask me about <wine>, <cxoffice>, <siyh>. |
| 01:52.22 | abrotman | optraz: you can msg the bot |
| 01:52.48 | lapsusbrutus | kevlarman: so you believe its impossible for the "world government" to shut down root servers? I have no idea btw, thats why I ask :) |
| 01:52.49 | optraz | alright thanks. |
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| 01:53.26 | kevlarman | lapsusbrutus: it would take a lot more effort than just the US |
| 01:53.39 | simonlnu | take it to -ot please |
| 01:53.41 | abrotman | anyway ... |
| 01:53.50 | kevlarman | lapsusbrutus: keep in mind it also takes a bit more than just shutting down the root servers to break dns |
| 01:53.52 | xSmurf | anyone uses Xpra?? I'm having some keyboard mapping issues |
| 01:55.13 | lapsusbrutus | kevlarman: but if no one mirrors the root servers, internet will fail if they are shut down |
| 01:55.32 | simonlnu | take it to -ot please. i would like to participate in this too. |
| 01:55.39 | simonlnu | :) |
| 01:55.39 | lapsusbrutus | -ot? |
| 01:55.47 | simonlnu | #debian-offtopic |
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| 02:04.03 | ag4ve | how do i escape a ' for grep in zsh? |
| 02:04.36 | abrotman | can't use \ ? |
| 02:05.22 | ag4ve | find -type f -print0 | xargs -P 10 -i{} -0 grep -H --color '\'and\'' {} |
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| 02:05.55 | abrotman | you missed part of that command |
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| 02:06.12 | ag4ve | ? |
| 02:06.18 | abrotman | you don't have a directory for find |
| 02:06.24 | abrotman | ag4ve: can't you use "'and'" ? |
| 02:06.52 | ag4ve | yup, must be time for bed. thanks |
| 02:07.21 | Daniel_____ | hi, can someone give advice on partitioning for a new box ? |
| 02:07.38 | xSmurf | I really can't seem to get the keyboard mapping right with Xpra, for some reason A=A but Q=3 |
| 02:07.53 | xSmurf | and yet all locale at set to LANGUAGE=en_US:en LANG=en_us.UTF-8 |
| 02:10.03 | xSmurf | from linux to linux (debian server, ubuntu gtk3 client) it seems to work fine but it messes up from debian > osx |
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| 02:13.23 | sanduz2 | anyone know of a program that prints the html of a website to the terminal? |
| 02:14.35 | dabor | lynx browser |
| 02:14.36 | dmbaturin | sanduz2: links, lynx, w3m. |
| 02:14.59 | dmbaturin | telnet, netcat, curl. |
| 02:15.22 | sanduz2 | thanks |
| 02:15.46 | dmbaturin | w3m is probably the most advanced text browser. |
| 02:16.36 | sanduz2 | thank you dmbaturin |
| 02:16.50 | xSmurf | to advance for RMS though... and you can't do that with pskmail :p |
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| 02:23.35 | emss | sanduz2 wget lftp |
| 02:24.47 | emss | Daniel_____ hello |
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| 02:25.44 | Daniel_____ | hello emss |
| 02:26.01 | TheLifelessOne | would it be possible to run certain programs, like VLC, without installing a GUI environment? |
| 02:26.21 | TheLifelessOne | to play back video, that is. |
| 02:26.30 | Daniel_____ | can you help me define partition sizes ? |
| 02:26.35 | sanduz2 | i want to do a for loop with curl on the terminal so i can get every url with the number X. example: for x in {1..8}; do curl www.google.com/$i; done; |
| 02:26.39 | emss | Daniel_____ http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch06s03.html.en#di-partition |
| 02:26.44 | sanduz2 | if you can see what im trying to do... but its not working right |
| 02:27.03 | sanduz2 | www.google.com/$x i mean |
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| 02:27.31 | sanduz2 | anyone have a tip? my bash experience is low :] |
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| 02:27.53 | emss | Daniel_____ it also depends on what you plan on installing and using your computer for or "possibly" using your computer for in the future if you want to avoid repartitioning |
| 02:28.01 | Daniel_____ | thanks emss, I've already read the docs, I plan to do manual partitioning |
| 02:28.13 | Daniel_____ | just wanted advice on partition sizes |
| 02:28.35 | emss | what are you going to use the system for? |
| 02:28.42 | emss | desktop/workstation |
| 02:28.48 | emss | firewall? |
| 02:28.55 | Daniel_____ | my personal desktop |
| 02:29.33 | Daniel_____ | I plan to have some Win virtual machines, so I want a ntfs partition |
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| 02:30.50 | dmbaturin | sanduz2: for i in "x y z t" do wget http://google.com/$i; done |
| 02:30.51 | Daniel_____ | my first idea is to have a 200 Mb /boot, 12 Gb swap, some 100 gb / and some 200 gb ntfs |
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| 02:31.50 | emss | woah |
| 02:31.55 | emss | 12 GB swap why? |
| 02:32.04 | emss | is this swap on a platter? |
| 02:32.09 | Daniel_____ | I have 8 gb ram |
| 02:32.17 | emss | doesn't matter |
| 02:32.23 | somiaj | really only useful if you plan to hibernate the machine |
| 02:32.25 | emss | you will not be swapping to 12GB |
| 02:32.50 | Daniel_____ | how much do you advice ? |
| 02:32.59 | Daniel_____ | with 8 gb ram ? |
| 02:33.11 | emss | 512MB? |
| 02:33.47 | emss | unless you plan on as somiaj mentioned hibernating or some development work |
| 02:33.53 | Daniel_____ | ok, thats why I asked for advice, hehe... |
| 02:34.09 | emss | swap is "virtual" ram |
| 02:34.21 | emss | hdds are slow compared to ram |
| 02:34.28 | somiaj | Daniel_____: you could almost get away with no swap with 8gigs, I have 12gigs for ram here and 0 swap. |
| 02:34.28 | emss | very |
| 02:34.37 | Daniel_____ | yea I know that |
| 02:35.02 | dvs | is it a laptop? |
| 02:35.04 | nodiscc | greek |
| 02:35.09 | emss | you can also forget about a swap partition and use a swap file |
| 02:35.18 | emss | and that can be created afterwards if you ever need it |
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| 02:35.30 | Daniel_____ | dvs: its a desktop |
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| 02:36.09 | Daniel_____ | emss thats a good idea, i guess there is no performance difference with that much ram ? |
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| 02:37.15 | somiaj | Daniel_____: only argument I've seen for swap is if your memory fills up your computer could crash, swap can make slow that down giving you time to kill the rogue process. |
| 02:37.15 | emss | swap is only overflow for ram so if you do not plan on maxing out 8GB or you don't care if you do or hibernating or whatever else ... swap isn't needed |
| 02:37.47 | Daniel_____ | ok, and what about file systems, would ext3 be ok ? |
| 02:38.05 | emss | swap is also used for debugging but if you are not doing any development it doesn't matter |
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| 02:38.09 | Daniel_____ | I dont use debian since more than 8 years now |
| 02:38.20 | emss | ext4 |
| 02:38.32 | Daniel_____ | but I want it in my main desktop now |
| 02:39.01 | emss | ext3 has been replaced by ext4 |
| 02:39.04 | emss | xfs is good |
| 02:39.08 | Primis | slaps emss |
| 02:39.12 | emss | ? |
| 02:39.14 | Daniel_____ | ok ext4 then |
| 02:39.21 | Primis | xfs is BAD |
| 02:39.26 | emss | why is xfs bad? |
| 02:39.27 | Primis | NTSC for the win |
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| 02:39.31 | Primis | lol |
| 02:39.33 | Primis | typo |
| 02:39.37 | Primis | NTFS |
| 02:39.39 | Primis | * |
| 02:40.03 | Daniel_____ | I need ntfs for sharing data with the Win virtual machines |
| 02:40.19 | Daniel_____ | but I think ext4 will be better for / |
| 02:40.21 | Primis | ntfs is actaully a really good file system |
| 02:40.42 | somiaj | Daniel_____: you could put an ntfs file system on a file, and then loopback that locally if you don't want a whole partition for it. |
| 02:40.48 | emss | Daniel_____ you could probably use whatever you wanted that is, ext3, ext4, reiserfs, xfs, and possibly some others and not have any issues aside from a boot manager not likely a particular filesystem which is not an issue |
| 02:41.52 | Daniel_____ | there is too much data that I want to access from the virtual machines, I prefer a partitio for that |
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| 02:42.08 | emss | i wasn't commenting on that :) |
| 02:42.25 | Daniel_____ | somiaj did |
| 02:42.33 | Primis | what is your favorite file system? |
| 02:42.38 | Primis | mine is HPFS |
| 02:42.56 | trysten | ntfs |
| 02:43.02 | emss | mines tmpfs |
| 02:43.02 | somiaj | Daniel_____: Just mearly pointing out varity. Really any paticular reason you want a seperate /boot partition? |
| 02:43.08 | trysten | squashfs |
| 02:43.15 | Daniel_____ | look, I don't use debian or linux since 8 years, dont have a favorite that I can think of |
| 02:43.33 | trysten | holy shit daniel-san that's alot of underscores |
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| 02:44.03 | emss | Daniel_____ if you use multiple partitions for your debian installation you can make / smaller and make /usr larger |
| 02:44.15 | Daniel_____ | I used to recompile kernel to update it, but that was years ago, does it updates automaticly now ? |
| 02:44.21 | Primis | HPFS, or the High Performance File System, is the precursor to NTFS |
| 02:44.29 | Primis | it was used in OS/2 |
| 02:44.43 | emss | what is os/2? |
| 02:44.50 | dvs | heh |
| 02:45.04 | dvs | !OS/2 |
| 02:45.08 | emss | :) |
| 02:45.23 | dmbaturin | emss: An operating system developed by IBM in the end of 80's. |
| 02:45.27 | dvs | ha, dpkg does even know |
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| 02:46.24 | Primis | Os/2 was a FULLY object oriented file system |
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| 02:46.38 | Primis | it was extremely well threaded |
| 02:46.42 | Primis | and really secure |
| 02:46.56 | emss | because no one used it? |
| 02:47.01 | Guest1530 | trysten: you are welcome |
| 02:47.10 | Primis | emss, a different type of secure |
| 02:47.19 | emss | ok |
| 02:47.32 | dmbaturin | emss: It was used in ATM's and POS's often, for instance. |
| 02:47.38 | Primis | still is |
| 02:47.38 | Guest1530 | I falied to change mi nick |
| 02:47.41 | somiaj | emss: it was developed with the help of microsoft, who in the background took some of that work and their part and did a rush release on some windows version, mostly grabing the market. |
| 02:47.47 | Guest1530 | Im a loser :( |
| 02:48.05 | emss | someone probably owns Dani :) |
| 02:48.06 | Primis | Guest1530: do a /nick "name" |
| 02:48.21 | dmbaturin | Primis: Haven't seen any for a while. I do see ATMs with failed WinXP pretty often though. |
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| 02:48.49 | Primis | dmbaturin: all over NYC |
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| 02:49.50 | Primis | oh hey Danie1 |
| 02:49.59 | Danie1 | hi Primis |
| 02:50.06 | Primis | I <3 OS/2 |
| 02:50.11 | Danie1 | I own myself now |
| 02:50.11 | Primis | I wanna redownload it |
| 02:50.25 | Primis | and develop code on it |
| 02:50.34 | dmbaturin | Primis: Good to know in NY it's still used. Windows-based ATMs make me sad. |
| 02:50.34 | Danie1 | so, do I need a separate /boot to update kernels ? |
| 02:50.35 | Primis | its real cool :D |
| 02:50.39 | emss | Danie1 if you plan on installing kde4/gnome3 those require a lot of space for everything |
| 02:51.03 | emss | Danie1 no not unless your bootloader has an issue with the particular filesystem |
| 02:51.05 | Danie1 | soem 100 gb surely will be enough |
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| 02:52.30 | Danie1 | should i use lilo or grub, or does the installer does it |
| 02:52.59 | emss | the installer will prompt you for information on how to setup the bootloader |
| 02:53.04 | dvs | Danie1: squeeze uses grub |
| 02:53.36 | emss | well it may only prompt you for bootloader installation information if you use the "expert" install |
| 02:53.58 | emss | Danie1 there is lilo, grub, extlinux |
| 02:54.06 | emss | extlinux imho is nice :) |
| 02:54.12 | emss | has a nice debian theme for it too |
| 02:54.29 | Danie1 | I dont want to become expert before installing, hehe |
| 02:54.46 | Danie1 | some reasonable default will do |
| 02:55.31 | Danie1 | so, I dont need /boot and almost dont need swap... ? |
| 02:56.03 | emss | you do not need /boot or a swap partition |
| 02:56.10 | emss | you might like having a /boot |
| 02:56.20 | emss | for other reasons, security etc. |
| 02:56.40 | Danie1 | then 100 Gb for / and 220 for ntfs will be ok |
| 02:56.48 | emss | swap files are no longer worse than a swap partition |
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| 02:57.01 | emss | so if you end up needing swap at some point you can always just create a swap file |
| 02:57.11 | nsadmin | if you use lvm it can be very handy to have a partition outside of the vg |
| 02:57.34 | Danie1 | its a desktop, I dont have critical issues, I just want the installation to last, dont want to reinstall every so often for whatever reason |
| 02:58.04 | nsadmin | good thing you picked debian then :P |
| 02:58.05 | emss | well i think 100GB for / is plenty unless you plan on filling up your /home/ :) |
| 02:58.31 | Danie1 | i used debian for 3 years in the time of 2.2 or 2.3 |
| 02:58.41 | Danie1 | I really liked it |
| 02:58.51 | nsadmin | , codenames |
| 02:58.54 | emss | :) |
| 02:59.00 | nsadmin | ! codenames |
| 02:59.00 | dpkg | Debian release codenames are buzz (1.1), rex (1.2), bo (1.3), hamm (2.0), slink (2.1), potato (2.2), woody (3.0), sarge (3.1), etch (4.0), lenny (5.0), squeeze (6.0), wheezy (7.0)=Testing and sid=Unstable. "lsb_release -sc" (lsb-release package) will display a Debian system's codename. http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-ftparchives#s-codenames . See <tsc_codenames> for those of the technical support crews. |
| 02:59.08 | Danie1 | no, I plan to have another 2 Tb disk for media |
| 02:59.11 | nsadmin | so, potato? |
| 02:59.34 | Danie1 | sorry no, it was woody |
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| 03:00.00 | emss | Danie1 you could have a fairly sizable installation (that is, install packages kde/gnome etc.) with 20GB for / |
| 03:00.08 | Danie1 | I used it a lot when a did my grade thesis |
| 03:00.51 | emss | and add GBs to that 20GB depending on how much space you plan on using for your /home/ |
| 03:00.53 | Danie1 | so, perhaps I left some 40 - 50 gb for / |
| 03:01.53 | Danie1 | I would like to store my docs etc in the ntfs partition, only app configurations etc in /home |
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| 03:02.20 | nsadmin | 2tb? then I still think you could consider lvm and having separate /usr and /home and /var, and then have a very small /.... and /boot outside lvm |
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| 03:02.59 | jackhill | Hi, how do I setup a bridge in /etc/network/interfaces so that stp is on when it comes up? |
| 03:03.01 | nsadmin | then you could add more space as you go |
| 03:03.34 | Danie1 | thats overkill for me right now, I should learn more to decide |
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| 03:04.47 | Danie1 | thanks guys, your help was reallly useful |
| 03:05.33 | Danie1 | wed will be installation day |
| 03:06.02 | Danie1 | cheers everybody, bye |
| 03:07.48 | somiaj | jackhill: what is stp? |
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| 03:08.39 | somiaj | jackhill: is it a script you need to run when a interface is brought up or down? |
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| 03:17.27 | emss | Danie1 see you later |
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| 03:18.35 | langkid1 | Is there a way to remove all installed or updated packages that were installed/updated after first boot? |
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| 03:19.03 | langkid1 | basically, a factory install except without really reinstalling |
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| 03:20.09 | emss | langkid1 find out what packages the intaller installed and remove everything else |
| 03:20.26 | emss | langkid1 check /var/log/installer/ |
| 03:20.47 | langkid1 | Well, I'm trying to uninstall VirtualMin, but it never fully installed, so I'm trying to use apt-get purge but every time I try it just tries to finish the virtualmin install |
| 03:21.09 | emss | use dpkg --purge |
| 03:21.23 | langkid1 | as seen here http://i.imgur.com/rYk1r.png |
| 03:21.24 | langkid1 | ok |
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| 03:22.03 | emss | dpkg --purge virtualmin-base |
| 03:22.03 | dpkg | drinks a glass of salty water, sticks his fingers down his throat and throws up virtualmin-base all over emss and j4q8... |
| 03:22.23 | emss | that is ... nice |
| 03:22.34 | langkid1 | pleasant |
| 03:22.56 | dvs | you asked for it |
| 03:23.50 | langkid1 | dpkg: status database area is locked by another process |
| 03:23.50 | dpkg | ...but status database area is already something else... |
| 03:24.17 | nutron | hmm. I have a server at loadavg 9, refusing to serve nfs shares, i try to restart the service, it says it did so, but I can't mount the shares. Also, the [nfsd] processes are in D state (writing to disk?) ... i have no io load at all |
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| 03:25.26 | abrotman | maybe you should fix the load problem ? |
| 03:25.55 | nutron | abrotman: ok ... well I've looked at top, I've used iotop, and iostat... it's not really looking like it's doing much |
| 03:26.06 | nutron | any other suggestions? |
| 03:26.15 | emss | langkid1 kill any apt-get |
| 03:26.38 | langkid1 | o.o too late, already started a restart :P |
| 03:26.57 | langkid1 | oh well, it's just a 128MB RAM VPS |
| 03:27.11 | langkid1 | it starts to "trip over itself" |
| 03:27.47 | abrotman | nutron: vmstat ? |
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| 03:31.44 | nutron | abrotman: what's the wa column mean? iowait? |
| 03:32.19 | abrotman | in which program ? doesn't the man page say? |
| 03:32.37 | nutron | sorry i'm rushed, I'll go check the man page |
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| 03:33.55 | nutron | hmm yeah, nothing, everything looks idle in vmstat still at 9 loadavg |
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| 03:38.14 | silvertip257 | Is there a reason that my Squeeze preseed fails complaining about security.debian.org? (causing me to hit Continue and the install not being automatic) |
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| 03:39.26 | abrotman | bad key? |
| 03:40.13 | nutron | seems that D state means it's in uninterruptible sleep and is a bad thing (tm)... crap this machine cant restart b/c the squeeze upgrade failed on grub... |
| 03:40.26 | silvertip257 | abrotman: hmm - I wonder if the proxy (going through approx) would cause that |
| 03:40.43 | nutron | bah, bound to happen, uptime shows 180 days heh... |
| 03:40.46 | abrotman | doubtful |
| 03:41.02 | abrotman | nutron: fix grub ? |
| 03:41.02 | dwfreed | nutron: D state is not necessarily a bad thing |
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| 03:41.35 | JQuazar | I just mounted a USB drive to my newish Debian build, to back it up... I looked at syslog but there's no /dev/foo entry I understand, to mount it, help? |
| 03:41.54 | JQuazar | ehci_hcd? |
| 03:42.01 | nutron | abrotman: aye, it's badly hosed, to a point where it says it succeeds and everything is peachy-keen. Upon reboot, I get an error, or it hangs (I don't remember the error, I have it somewhere in my notes) |
| 03:42.22 | nutron | dwfreed: well, it seems to be in my case, or whatever google tells me. |
| 03:43.21 | nutron | JQuazar: the most receng dmesg (at the bottom) should have something like /dev/sd there. Does it not? |
| 03:43.45 | JQuazar | nutron, I hoped so but... no. |
| 03:44.05 | nutron | It didn't detect it then, try another port? |
| 03:46.13 | emss | langkid1 working now? |
| 03:46.22 | langkid1 | yep |
| 03:46.23 | nutron | Seems the way to fix D state is a reboot. Some form of kernel issue/deficiency. |
| 03:46.25 | emss | ok |
| 03:46.28 | langkid1 | hey, what's the package for saslauthd? |
| 03:46.30 | langkid1 | can't find it |
| 03:46.49 | emss | langkid1 install apt-file or use http://packages.debian.org/ |
| 03:46.58 | emss | apt-file search bin/saslauthd |
| 03:47.06 | emss | dpkg probably won't answer that :( |
| 03:47.06 | dpkg | emss: wish i knew |
| 03:47.10 | emss | same |
| 03:47.12 | emss | :\ |
| 03:47.28 | emss | dpkg apt-file search bin/saslauthd |
| 03:47.28 | dpkg | bugger all, i dunno, emss |
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| 03:49.35 | langkid1 | well I found it |
| 03:49.37 | langkid1 | sasl2-bin |
| 03:49.43 | langkid1 | worked :) |
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| 03:53.09 | abrotman | cooldude: msg an op when you fix whatever is going on with your connection |
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| 04:07.29 | axisys | mount /foo; case $? in 0|32) run_bar;; esac did ran `run_bar' even though /foo failed to mount |
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| 04:07.45 | axisys | what would be correct exit code to check? |
| 04:08.06 | axisys | man mount showed all exit codes.. not sre which one is appropriate for my case |
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| 04:17.29 | simonlnu | exit 1 maybe |
| 04:17.51 | simonlnu | man page should say (they usually do the better written ones) |
| 04:21.15 | emss | axisys mount calls external programs for mount certain filesystems e.g. nfs |
| 04:21.26 | emss | mount/mouting* |
| 04:21.35 | emss | :( |
| 04:22.03 | axisys | ext4 for my case |
| 04:22.47 | axisys | /dev/md10 on /foo type ext4 (rw,errors=remount-ro) |
| 04:23.11 | axisys | simonlnu: 1 incorrect invocation or permissions |
| 04:23.17 | axisys | 1 did not work |
| 04:23.32 | simonlnu | that was off the top of my head ;) |
| 04:23.51 | axisys | simonlnu: 1 usually the one.. so it made sense to think of that |
| 04:24.05 | axisys | simonlnu: i just saw in solaris it says 1 |
| 04:24.39 | simonlnu | yeh, a lot of them use 1, but it doesn't mean all of them do =) |
| 04:24.52 | axisys | :-) |
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| 04:26.19 | axisys | i see mount: special device /dev/md2 does not exist and mount: /dev/md10 already mounted or /mnt busy both gives exit 32 |
| 04:26.22 | axisys | yikes |
| 04:28.55 | axisys | i guess unless there is a check for /foo is mounted i would move stderr to stdout and grep for the message |
| 04:28.59 | axisys | :-( |
| 04:29.28 | simonlnu | i guess |
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| 04:32.07 | axisys | hmm mounted might work |
| 04:32.12 | axisys | never used it tho |
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| 04:36.49 | axisys | mountall uses it.. that might be my answe |
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| 05:26.54 | aussa | vbrummond, silly me, sorry... thank you :D |
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| 05:29.38 | vbrummond | aussa: no problems. :) so that solved it then? |
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| 05:30.11 | aussa | vbrummond, yeah |
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| 05:34.45 | aussa | vbrummond, it's funny because volume is controlled by "Bass Speaker" and "PCM" is that normal? if I vary "master" or "speaker" nothing happens... |
| 05:36.23 | vbrummond | aussa: im not sure, some drivers are iffy, my mixers change around with every kernel version |
| 05:36.44 | vbrummond | aussa: it also might be using the wrong driver, might want to look up some alsa setup tutorials |
| 05:37.47 | aussa | vbrummond, ok ty, have a great night |
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| 05:53.46 | manou | Hi |
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| 05:55.48 | omido | Hi . i think there is a problem with one of debian mirrors |
| 05:56.08 | omido | it's the second time that i'm downloading the 64bit gnome live iso from this page : http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/release/current-live/amd64/iso-hybrid/ |
| 05:56.30 | omido | both times after the download finishes i get the following error : The download (debian-live-6.0.3-amd64-gnome-desktop.iso) could not be verified. Do you want to redownload it? |
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| 05:56.51 | omido | please do something about that bad link |
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| 06:06.29 | gnarface | omido: i would suspect first that its a problem with your local machien missing the keys |
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| 06:06.38 | brotatos | debian or centos? |
| 06:07.04 | gnarface | that's clearly debian, brotatos |
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| 06:07.43 | optraz | how do we convert ogv file to avi? |
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| 06:08.54 | gnarface | optraz: any way you want; i like ffmpeg |
| 06:09.20 | somiaj | optraz: I cna't think of any way with out recompressing, but ffmpeg or mencoder can encoder avi's |
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| 06:10.52 | optraz | ok, installing ffmpeg. i just want to convert to avi because this stupid windows cant play ogv file |
| 06:10.59 | omido | gnarface: i downloaded it from 2 seprate OS . the first time i downloaded it with fedora and axel and the second time with opensuse and Kget .from 2 diffrent locations |
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| 06:11.52 | somiaj | optraz: install a proper codec package in windows |
| 06:12.02 | omido | gnarface: I disagree with that. CentOS is based on RHEL which we all know is one of the best. CentOS also has 10 years of support |
| 06:12.11 | omido | But i prefer Debian |
| 06:12.35 | optraz | somiaj: dont think so, the user dont know about that. |
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| 06:14.01 | gnarface | omido: were you responding to someone else's statement? i didn't make a subjective statement which you could disagree with, so i'm confused |
| 06:15.57 | omido | gnarface: forget it and please help me with my issue with debian live iso :-) |
| 06:16.18 | gnarface | omido: i already told you i thought the problem was that you're missing the keys |
| 06:16.53 | gnarface | omido: install every package with "debian" and "keyring" in the name, that should cover it |
| 06:17.18 | omido | gnarface: sorry but i'm newbie and i dont understand you |
| 06:17.50 | gnarface | omido: run this command: apt-get update && apt-get install debian-keyring debian-archive-keyring debian-multimedia-keyring |
| 06:17.50 | omido | I'm currently on OpenSUSE 11.4 KDE 4.6 x86_64 |
| 06:18.00 | omido | how can i install debian keyring ?! |
| 06:18.09 | omido | the downloaded iso's wont even boot ! |
| 06:18.10 | gnarface | omido: WHAT? nevermind then. just go .. anywhere else |
| 06:18.45 | omido | My friend. seems like you dont understand my question at all. i was saying that there is a problem with debian live iso download links |
| 06:18.47 | gnarface | omido: we don't support SUSE here. i was mistaken, i thought you were asking for help with debian |
| 06:19.05 | omido | gnarface: lol ! |
| 06:19.15 | omido | i'm not looking for suse support |
| 06:19.28 | omido | listen again : |
| 06:19.30 | omido | [09:24] <omido> Hi . i think there is a problem with one of debian mirrors |
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| 06:19.32 | omido | [09:25] <omido> it's the second time that i'm downloading the 64bit gnome live iso from this page : http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/release/current-live/amd64/iso-hybrid/ |
| 06:19.33 | omido | [09:25] <omido> both times after the download finishes i get the following error : The download (debian-live-6.0.3-amd64-gnome-desktop.iso) could not be verified. Do you want to redownload it? |
| 06:19.56 | omido | is it hard to understand ? |
| 06:20.00 | omido | huh? |
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| 06:24.13 | somiaj | What are you using to download the image, and what isn't verifing it? |
| 06:24.22 | somiaj | I have yet to run across that issue downloading those images |
| 06:24.49 | omido | somiaj: I'm really happy that you understand what i mean |
| 06:24.53 | gnarface | omido: i understood, its not hard to understand, but what i didn't explain to you was that your recounting of the problem fails to mention you're not ON debian, so i gave you the fix FOR what i assumed was a debian system with those symptoms. since you're on SUSE, go fuck yourself. clear enough, my friend? :) |
| 06:25.25 | omido | gnarface: what's the problem with downloading debian from another OS ?! |
| 06:25.32 | omido | omg. |
| 06:25.39 | omido | a true debian fanboy |
| 06:25.58 | lstarnes | gnarface: that's not really appropriate to say |
| 06:26.07 | gnarface | thanks mom |
| 06:26.30 | omido | gnarface: i want to use debian but currently i dont have any debian OS installed. so i'm downloading it using my opensuse machine. what's the matter with that ? |
| 06:26.35 | omido | i dont understand |
| 06:27.03 | gnarface | omido: did you check the debian mirror status page to make sure the mirror you were using wasn't currently being updated or something? halfway-uploaded-files are the leading cause of intermittent mirror misbehavior |
| 06:27.37 | gnarface | omido: nothing is wrong with that except the fact you purposefully hid that fact from your original recounting of the symptoms of the problem |
| 06:27.46 | somiaj | omido: again what is not verifying the images, there are md5sums on the same page you can use to check them for yourself. |
| 06:28.00 | gnarface | smells a troll |
| 06:28.05 | omido | somiaj: how can i do that? |
| 06:28.45 | omido | Now i know the meaning of the term "troll" . anybody whom the debian fanboys dont like |
| 06:28.56 | somiaj | omido: man md5sum, but again, what is not verrify your images, I've asked you that twice and you havne't answered. |
| 06:29.30 | gnarface | omido: no a troll is someone who purposefully wastes others time by baiting them with misinformation under a false pretext |
| 06:29.32 | ploo | how do I get vnc under kvm in debian? |
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| 06:30.12 | gnarface | pretext or pretense ? |
| 06:30.13 | gnarface | hmm |
| 06:30.31 | omido | somiaj: right now i downloaded it with KDE Kget |
| 06:31.09 | omido | gnarface: thnx for your so called help but i have nothing to do but to ignore you. enjoy being a fanboy |
| 06:31.21 | gnarface | *sigh* |
| 06:31.39 | lstarnes | omido: as much as I think you're right to ignore gnarface, calling people fanboys isn't going to help the situation |
| 06:32.17 | omido | lstarnes: I'm sorry but i'm angry |
| 06:32.21 | lstarnes | my only recommendation is to redownload it with something simple like wget or curl |
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| 06:32.26 | omido | Ok. how to varify my download? |
| 06:32.32 | somiaj | omido: I don't know that problem, use wget, if you are paranoid about the image, use md5 sum to verrify it. |
| 06:32.47 | lstarnes | what exactly is telling you that it wasn't able to be verified? |
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| 06:32.51 | somiaj | omido: 'man md5sum' -- grab the md5 sum of the image from the debian mirror. |
| 06:33.11 | gnarface | notes that's at least the third time omido has been given the answer to this problem |
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| 06:34.12 | omido | i have to add that i didnt had this problem when i downloaded the live kde iso. its only gnome which i get this error |
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| 06:34.44 | somiaj | its a sign you should switch to lxde |
| 06:35.30 | omido | somiaj: I personally prefer KDE. |
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| 06:36.00 | omido | my laptop is not very old. has a Core2dou t9600 - 4gb memory-500gb hardspace- ATI mobility radeon HD 4500 |
| 06:36.10 | omido | i think it can handle KDE without problems |
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| 06:37.02 | hotwings | someone told me that building a kernel using `fakeroot make-kpkg` is outdated now.. anyone know if this is true or not? |
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| 06:39.07 | somiaj | hotwings: I have yet to hear that, I'd stick with make-kpkg (Though make-kpkg has a -fakeroot option so it only runs the final package stage with fakeroot, maybe they were suggesting that is prefered) |
| 06:40.06 | somiaj | hotwings: make-kpkg --rootcmd fakeroot kernel_image (as from the manpage) |
| 06:40.30 | hotwings | hmm could be, ill read up on that. thanks somiaj |
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| 06:46.33 | chelz | what would be a nice fast way to get all packages currently installed with the unstable Archive name? |
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| 06:49.22 | gnarface | chelz: get a list of their names you mean? |
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| 06:50.51 | chelz | gnarface: yes |
| 06:51.13 | chelz | i have a few packages from testing and unstable on one machine and i forget which |
| 06:51.38 | gnarface | chelz: i think there's a way to get that info with apt-cache i just don't remember the syntax. it had ~ characters in it |
| 06:52.00 | gnarface | chelz: i think aptitude also can do this |
| 06:52.03 | chelz | gnarface: hmm alright. |
| 06:52.18 | chelz | yeah i was originally looking into aptitude, didn't see much directly, was just reading about apt-cache |
| 06:53.08 | omido | ok guys. thanks for your great help. i think debian is not my type of distro with its very very friendly and understanding commiunity. i should reconsider staying with suse. have a good time |
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| 06:53.52 | gnarface | troll, see? |
| 06:53.59 | chelz | wooo |
| 06:54.02 | chelz | http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/projects/aptitude/doc/en/ch02s03s05.html#tableSearchTermQuickGuide |
| 06:54.18 | gnarface | chelz: bingo! |
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| 06:55.16 | gnarface | chelz: i see syntax for searching by version number... if you can find something in there for searching just by release that'd be key |
| 06:56.33 | lasers | Debian. Halp. What is this for? http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLive/HowTo/SmallSizeImage |
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| 06:57.12 | chelz | Select packages from the given archive (such as “unstable”). |
| 06:57.34 | chelz | gnarface: i think ~A is what i'm looking for. although i wonder if i need that stuff in my sources.list |
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| 06:57.45 | langkid1 | Is there a package for the desktop interface of debian? |
| 06:57.56 | chelz | actually right now what would be nice is to see packages that don't belong to any lines in my source.list |
| 06:58.08 | gnarface | chelz: need which stuff? you'll need all the sources any packages were ever installed from in order to uninstall them without complaint, i think |
| 06:58.11 | lstarnes | langkid1: which one? |
| 06:58.22 | langkid1 | lstarnes, what do you mean? |
| 06:58.38 | lstarnes | langkid1: what desktop environment or window manager do you want? |
| 06:58.44 | lstarnes | there isn't just one |
| 06:58.47 | langkid1 | the default? |
| 06:58.50 | gnarface | lasers: i would assume that's for when you want a live cd just for booting a single program |
| 06:59.01 | langkid1 | the one you can download with the desktop version of debian? |
| 06:59.01 | lstarnes | there isn't really a default |
| 06:59.04 | chelz | apt-show-versions | grep 'No available' |
| 06:59.05 | lasers | langkid1: Debian does not come with desktop interface when you firstly install. There are no default. |
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| 06:59.31 | lstarnes | there are cds that have kde, gnome, xfce, and lxde if I remember right |
| 06:59.35 | lasers | gnarface: I see. Ty. |
| 06:59.53 | lasers | gnarface: I'm not sure why people would want that. |
| 07:00.00 | gnarface | lasers: for science |
| 07:00.10 | lasers | OF COURSE. SCIENCE! :) |
| 07:00.48 | langkid1 | Yes I want gnome |
| 07:01.20 | gnarface | langkid1: that's simple. going back is not. |
| 07:01.40 | langkid1 | explain? |
| 07:01.52 | lasers | langkid1: Also, Gnome 2.3 or Gnome 3? |
| 07:02.01 | langkid1 | 3??? |
| 07:02.12 | langkid1 | whatever I can get in apt |
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| 07:02.17 | gnarface | langkid1: it just don't uninstall so easy, that's all :) |
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| 07:03.00 | gnarface | langkid1: #1 gnome help support question is "how do i uninstall gnome?" |
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| 07:03.39 | gnarface | langkid1: yea, and also lots of people hate gnome 3 worse |
| 07:04.05 | gnarface | langkid1: but its not hard to install. apt-get update && apt-get install gnome, then brace for impact |
| 07:04.24 | gnarface | langkid1: i'd recommend taking a full backup first |
| 07:04.28 | langkid1 | UGH, I'm sorry I asked >_> |
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| 07:05.52 | gnarface | langkid1: when is the last time you ran gnome? |
| 07:06.39 | gnarface | langkid1: if you have a ton of harddrive space and just don't care, its not as hard to just install multiple window managers and switch between them at will as it is to uninstall gnome or kde |
| 07:07.03 | gnarface | langkid1: you might want to try out a few. i'd recommend it |
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| 07:08.49 | gnarface | langkid1: http://tech.slashdot.org/story/12/02/14/0125229/gnome-3-beauty-to-the-bone |
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| 07:25.58 | izepstan | hi hello there, i've got short question my guest debian on xen tells me: ALERT! /dev/hda2 does not exist. in the config i have: root = '/dev/hda2 ro' do i have to set this path manually on the host? |
| 07:26.14 | izepstan | #flood |
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| 07:27.15 | gnarface | izepstan: in which config? is that your kernel command line? |
| 07:27.31 | izepstan | no that is in the virtual_machine.cfg |
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| 07:28.23 | izepstan | yeah i think its kernel command line, its when i do xm console virtual_machine while booting |
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| 07:29.07 | gnarface | izepstan: i don't know anything about xen, sorry. are you sure /dev/hda2 is the right partition? did this used to work? it occurs to me that on squeeze its unlikely your drive wouldn't be sda* instead of hda* |
| 07:29.22 | gnarface | izepstan: which debian version? |
| 07:29.30 | izepstan | 6 squeeze |
| 07:29.44 | izepstan | ok i give a shot... thx |
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| 07:30.09 | gnarface | izepstan: well do you have access to the host system? you can just check to see what's listed in /dev/disk/by-uuid |
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| 07:30.18 | izepstan | ok |
| 07:31.08 | emss | langkid1 aptitude show x-window-manager |
| 07:31.09 | gnarface | izepstan: but since its xen, i dunno if that might change it |
| 07:31.47 | gnarface | langkid1: also, i found this: http://wiki.debian.org/WindowManager |
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| 07:33.11 | emss | langkid1 there are many and many which debian does not have pre packaged .debs for |
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| 07:40.33 | miadbahrami | address securety repo ? |
| 07:40.41 | miadbahrami | in squeeze |
| 07:40.42 | miadbahrami | ? |
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| 07:44.03 | vbrummond | miadbahrami: you mean http://security.debian.org/ ? |
| 07:44.14 | miadbahrami | nope |
| 07:44.22 | miadbahrami | vbrummond, repository |
| 07:44.28 | vbrummond | that is the repository |
| 07:44.32 | miadbahrami | vbrummond, in /etc/apt/source.list |
| 07:44.42 | miadbahrami | vbrummond, thanks |
| 07:44.46 | vbrummond | deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main |
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| 07:53.58 | nutron | What's the current support status of Xen in wheezy? |
| 07:54.17 | nutron | wow nvm |
| 07:54.32 | nutron | I was on the main site, not the wiki that I was searching |
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| 07:57.09 | superlinux-hp | hi. I have laptop HP Pavilion dv6 6021se. I can suspend but cannot have a perfect hibernate. please tell me what should be done. thanks |
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| 08:00.08 | Andy1978 | superlinux-hp: Have you read http://wiki.debian.org/Suspend? Please collect the logfiles and use a pastebin. The articel also explains how to enable debug outputs |
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| 08:15.01 | chelz | did the location of updates change for lenny after the release of squeeze? |
| 08:15.30 | gnarface | eventually, yes |
| 08:15.45 | gnarface | there are archives somewhere though |
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| 08:16.38 | chelz | well i used to be prompted to do a kernel upgrade and it's not saying that anymore |
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| 08:17.00 | gnarface | dpkg lenny? |
| 08:17.01 | dpkg | Lenny is the codename for Debian GNU/Linux 5.0, released on February 15th, 2009. Lenny security support ended on 2012-02-06, this release is no longer supported. Lenny users should upgrade to Squeeze, ask me about <lenny->squeeze>. For old Lenny ISOs, ask me about <lenny iso>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLenny http://www.debian.org/News/2012/20120209 |
| 08:17.15 | gnarface | dpkg tell chelz about lenny->squeeze |
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| 08:18.06 | gnarface | chelz: if your lenny is too old you may want to find an archive of lenny and bring it fully up-to-date before you switch to squeeze |
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| 08:19.09 | chelz | yeah i need to find the most recent debian lenny mirror |
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| 08:20.05 | gnarface | chelz: http://archive.debian.org/ maybe? |
| 08:20.36 | chelz | gnarface: hmm lenny isn't there yet |
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| 08:21.46 | gnarface | chelz: oh its somewhere though |
| 08:21.52 | gnarface | dpkg: lenny archive? |
| 08:21.54 | dpkg | parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, gnarface |
| 08:22.02 | gnarface | dpkg: archives? |
| 08:22.02 | dpkg | somebody said archive was a collection of files. 'tar', 'ar', 'cpio' are all archiving tools. This is *not* the same as compression, which is a separate operation. Debian Archives is the repository for old Debian releases, see http://www.debian.org/distrib/archive . For the package archive, ask me about <snapshot>. Old Debian <ISO> files are archived at http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/ |
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| 08:22.34 | gnarface | hmm |
| 08:22.37 | gnarface | i dunno chelz |
| 08:22.38 | gnarface | sorry |
| 08:22.49 | gnarface | its gotta be out there somewhere though |
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| 08:23.34 | chelz | gnarface: yeah i'll search around |
| 08:25.34 | chelz | well hm, actually it looks installed |
| 08:25.45 | chelz | maybe there just hasn't been a kernel update in a loong time |
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| 08:26.13 | gnarface | chelz: possibly not. you're advised of course to upgrade to squeeze |
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| 08:27.16 | djota | how can i get likewise-open on squeeze? it doesn't seem to be in the apt repo's anymore? |
| 08:27.48 | chelz | gnarface: definitely will do pretty soon |
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| 08:37.54 | somiaj | djota: was that the package name? |
| 08:37.54 | jelly-home | chelz: lenny seems still to be on the normal mirrors. |
| 08:38.10 | jelly-home | !tell chelz about lenny sources.list |
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| 08:43.04 | thewanderer1 | have we got time-based freezes, or has that decision been overruled? Wikipedia still mentions it, and there is a news item dating back to 2009 on debian.org... |
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| 08:43.45 | vbrummond | thewanderer1: as far as i know they work on releasing around every 2 years, so i believe so |
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| 08:45.03 | thewanderer1 | 'they' == who? |
| 08:45.05 | djota | somiaj: the package name is likewise-open5 |
| 08:45.13 | djota | somiaj: s/is/was |
| 08:45.14 | vbrummond | debian developers? |
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| 08:46.04 | somiaj | djota: doesn't appear to be a debian package, found one bug report on it. http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=642172 |
| 08:46.04 | djota | vbrummond: are you talking to me? |
| 08:46.15 | vbrummond | no |
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| 08:47.21 | chelz | i figured it out, it was a bad apt-pinning setup |
| 08:48.26 | thewanderer1 | is there a document outlining the freeze policy? |
| 08:48.48 | djota | somiaj: hmmm, i'm not sure what that bug is about....can you clarifiy please? |
| 08:50.13 | somiaj | djota: it is a request for package bug, but the package is not in debian (yet) and won't be put in squeeze |
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| 08:51.11 | somiaj | djota: you could follow the links in there and find debian sources, but you'll have to compile it from source, either into a deb package or just install it in /usr/local |
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| 08:53.13 | djota | somiaj: ah i see. great, thanks for your effort |
| 08:54.20 | chelz | " But realise that Lenny has not had security support since February 2012 and that you should upgrade to a newer release. " |
| 08:54.22 | chelz | whaat |
| 08:54.38 | chelz | i didn't know support was off |
| 08:54.55 | somiaj | its been a year since squeeze was stabalized |
| 08:55.20 | djota | somiaj: is there anything else comparable for a production system? i need to authenticate MS AD users for ssh sessions |
| 08:56.02 | themill | chelz: oldstable security support last for one year past the previous release (see security FAQ). A security advisory was also sent around this giving 2 months notice and another one when security support ended. Perhaps you should subscribe to d-s-a; /msg dpkg d-s-a |
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| 08:56.55 | somiaj | djota: I am not the one to ask about that. |
| 08:57.30 | chelz | anyone using the default guided encrypted lvm upgrade without issue? |
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| 08:58.12 | chelz | i'm working on a remote machine here and i'm not so sure how well upgrades work with encrypted lvms, even if it is the default |
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| 08:59.26 | Stefunel | is it possible to add as dependencies to a deb package ruby gems? |
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| 09:04.09 | kev009 | shoot... I installed erlang from squeeze-backports and it removed my ejabberd server. is there a way to revert back to normal erlang? |
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| 09:05.32 | chelz | kev009: aptitude install erlang/stable |
| 09:06.23 | chelz | i think that might work |
| 09:07.40 | chelz | "apt-cache policy" is one of the coolest commands |
| 09:09.53 | Moebius | hi |
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| 09:10.04 | Moebius | can anyone tell me how can i get this version of Chromium here: http://www.saillard.org/debian/debian-squeeze/chromium-browser/ |
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| 09:10.23 | Moebius | binaries are there, but how can i actually get them having those out of any repo? |
| 09:10.33 | Moebius | installing packages one by one?.. |
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| 09:14.10 | chelz | Moebius: might be a way to add it to sources.list |
| 09:14.19 | Moebius | chelz, i thought of that too. |
| 09:14.20 | Moebius | but HOW.. |
| 09:14.29 | chelz | put it in and see what apt says :P |
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| 09:15.05 | Moebius | impossible... i use synaptic for that, it shows right away that something's missing.. .there should be some additional parameters... like "main" or distro name.. |
| 09:15.10 | Moebius | otherwise it's inactive |
| 09:15.24 | zykotick9 | Moebius: do you really want to get your browser from "some random site"? Or do you know who created this package? |
| 09:15.54 | Moebius | not really. But i don't think i have to be worrying about anything. |
| 09:16.08 | chelz | Moebius: does synaptic complain? |
| 09:16.17 | chelz | "deb http://www.saillard.org/debian/debian-squeeze/" ? |
| 09:16.23 | chelz | (without the quotes) |
| 09:16.26 | Moebius | chelz, it refuses to accept such thing without additional parameters. |
| 09:16.27 | Moebius | i did that |
| 09:16.41 | Moebius | it's incorrect... like i said, it's never just one link.. |
| 09:16.43 | jelly-home | chelz: that doesn't look like a complete source line |
| 09:17.55 | jelly-home | at the very least it would be "deb http://www.saillard.org/debian/debian-squeeze/ ./" |
| 09:17.56 | Moebius | the thing is.. whatever i add it's still wrong, cause the actual place is not meant to work as a repository. |
| 09:17.56 | sephii | do you have an idea why the following command doesn't create the /var/run/ssh.alt.pid file? start-stop-daemon --start --quiet --oknodo --pidfile /var/run/sshd.alt.pid --exec /usr/sbin/sshd -- -f /etc/ssh/sshd_config.alt |
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| 09:18.45 | jelly-home | Moebius: it seems to, look at all the Contents and Packages and Release files |
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| 09:19.52 | jelly-home | now, how smart it is to use binary packages from a personal repo you don't trust... |
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| 09:21.21 | jelly-home | sephii: sshd creates the pid file by itself, man sshd_config, look for PidFile |
| 09:22.10 | chelz | jelly-home: ah yeah ./ |
| 09:22.15 | chelz | Moebius: try putting ./ |
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| 09:22.25 | Moebius | alright |
| 09:22.26 | Moebius | let me try. |
| 09:22.28 | sephii | jelly-home: damn, thanks! |
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| 09:23.55 | Moebius | it worked, thanks |
| 09:24.01 | Moebius | now to see, what that version really is... |
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| 09:27.02 | chelz | Moebius: HECK YEA |
| 09:27.04 | chelz | called it |
| 09:27.18 | Moebius | thanks. Oh well.. it's nothing special :) |
| 09:27.22 | Moebius | but precious knowledge... |
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| 09:28.27 | kallepersson | Hey. I am using ssmtp to relay email to an external mail server. Is there any way I can get more info from the mail logs? Currently all I can see is who it was sent from |
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| 09:50.59 | linux_inferno | I'm trying to set up dhcp with isc-dhcp-server and am running into an issue starting the daemon even using an example configuration dhcpd: No subnet declaration for venet0:0 (no IPv4 addresses). The error the goes on to say I should write a subnet declaration with venet0:0 attached but I have no idea how to do that. Can anyone assist please? |
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| 09:53.22 | ksk | linux_inferno: venet? openvz? take a look at their wiki |
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| 09:54.20 | ksk | dunno if you have to do any special for dhcp, but for other daemons you have to.. |
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| 09:54.52 | linux_inferno | ksk yes openvz on proxmox |
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| 09:57.43 | linux_inferno | ksk ooo would ya look at that. I didn't think to look at openvz. They have an example config! WIN! |
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| 10:02.16 | emgee | Hey there good folks! Something went wrong when I installed postfix-policyd. Could someone give me a paste bin with the database structure? :) |
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| 10:07.05 | k-man | gah! the internode mirror of debian is so flakey - it frequently has .debs that fail the hash sum check |
| 10:07.36 | k-man | i emailed them about it and they sent me back a form email with questions like "what browser were you using and what proxy settings does it have?" |
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| 10:08.18 | k-man | is there some way to set aptitude to just try another mirror if a file has a hash sum error? |
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| 10:13.39 | jubo2 | shukran shukran debian devels |
| 10:13.48 | chelz | k-man: if you add another mirror it should try the next mirror in line |
| 10:13.58 | chelz | k-man: i think |
| 10:14.20 | jubo2 | I had an interesting thing happen.. After going throught the alsa checklist to no avail ( no sounds ) the machine just turned the sounds on at some point.. |
| 10:14.29 | ksk | k-man: cant you just reinstall it to regain the default settings/databases/wahtever? |
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| 10:15.17 | jubo2 | how do I make two-fingers-on-the-touchpad to scroll stuff like on most normal GUIs ? |
| 10:16.04 | jubo2 | how can I make the clock display the time it is in the Helsingfors - Tel Aviv - Cape Town ( EET or UTC+2 ) zone instead of UTC+4 time ? |
| 10:16.24 | jubo2 | I mean I think I'd know if I was in the Moscow time zone .. |
| 10:16.25 | chelz | emgee: pretty sure what ksk was to you |
| 10:17.11 | k-man | ksk, not sure what you mean - i preffer to use that mirror as it is my ISP's mirror and is unmetered |
| 10:17.12 | jubo2 | and how can I have s stickier trigger re touching the touchpad with sides of thumbs when typing |
| 10:17.28 | ksk | k-man: arr sorry, was talking to emgee ;) |
| 10:17.28 | jubo2 | I want the system to mute accidental taps on the keypad pls like in OS X |
| 10:17.37 | emgee | chelz: thanks! ask: well the problem is that it doesn't ask for mysql root details, so it can't create the tables! |
| 10:17.42 | emgee | ksk* |
| 10:17.53 | simonlnu | jubo2: dpkg-reconfigure tzdata; make sure your time is accurate too; install ntpd |
| 10:18.02 | ksk | make sure to _purge_ mysql packages |
| 10:18.07 | ksk | especially mysql-common |
| 10:18.21 | ksk | (its not enough to run an "aptitude purge mysql5-server" |
| 10:18.23 | ksk | ) |
| 10:18.24 | emgee | uhm, I have loads of other mysql stuff running so no.. |
| 10:18.24 | chelz | oh wait, no what ksk said made sense for k-man, i read database |
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| 10:18.29 | chelz | eh well |
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| 10:18.57 | jubo2 | simonlnu: Kubuntu and Xubuntu were exact to the second ( checked from analog radio's beep-beep-beep-beep-beeeeeeeeeeeep-thingy ) |
| 10:19.22 | simonlnu | yes ok, but that's your other system, right? :) |
| 10:19.32 | emgee | ksk: I won't reinstall mysql, purging mail accounts and stuff, for a single package's sake. |
| 10:19.58 | emgee | I just need the structure set up so it can start doing it's stuff |
| 10:20.34 | jubo2 | simonlnu: |
| 10:20.42 | jubo2 | Current default time zone: 'Europe/Helsinki' |
| 10:20.43 | jubo2 | Local time is now: Tue Feb 14 14:19:58 EET 2012. |
| 10:20.45 | jubo2 | Universal Time is now: Tue Feb 14 12:19:58 UTC 2012. |
| 10:20.53 | jubo2 | that's not right |
| 10:20.57 | simonlnu | !forgot mysql root password |
| 10:20.58 | dpkg | If you've forgotten the <MySQL> root password, /etc/init.d/mysql stop; mysqld --skip-grant-tables; mysql -u root; use mysql; UPDATE user SET Password=PASSWORD('mynewpassword') WHERE User='root'; FLUSH PRIVILEGES; C-d; stop mysqld; /etc/init.d/mysql start See also http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/resetting-permissions.html , <mysql initial password>. |
| 10:21.13 | simonlnu | don't paste here please, you'll get kicked by debhelper |
| 10:21.23 | simonlnu | emgee: ^^^ |
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| 10:21.32 | jubo2 | simonlnu: I didn't think 3 lines is pasting. but will use pastebin in future |
| 10:22.01 | simonlnu | on 4 the bot kicks |
| 10:22.15 | jubo2 | simonlnu: good to know.. sorry for the annoyance |
| 10:22.17 | emgee | simonlnu: I have my mysql root password but apt-get install postfix-policyd isn't asking me for it, so it can't create it's tables. |
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| 10:22.30 | simonlnu | it's ok, just warning you =) |
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| 10:23.07 | emgee | I've configured the mysql connection manually now, and policyd is up and running, but it's database is empty. |
| 10:23.27 | simonlnu | emgee: oh, i see. the tables are probably in /usr/share/doc/package/examples or /usr/share/package |
| 10:23.36 | emgee | ah thanks |
| 10:24.25 | emgee | simonlnu: nope, just sql data, no structure |
| 10:24.29 | simonlnu | jubo2: like i said, run the dpkg-reconfigure command i gave you |
| 10:24.30 | emgee | but I guess I could decide that |
| 10:24.31 | emgee | decude* |
| 10:24.37 | emgee | deduce* damn autocorrect. |
| 10:24.45 | simonlnu | you had it right the first time ;p |
| 10:24.50 | simonlnu | oh, nm |
| 10:24.52 | emgee | :) |
| 10:24.54 | emgee | almost.. |
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| 10:24.59 | simonlnu | hehe |
| 10:25.06 | jubo2 | simonlnu: to isntall ntpd .. aren't I supposed to just contact a ntpd, not run one myself ?? Or is it a server thingy as in X-server ? |
| 10:25.23 | jubo2 | simonlnu: I run it and that was the printout |
| 10:25.29 | simonlnu | jubo2: the default debian config is set to get data from a public pool |
| 10:25.34 | emgee | simonlnu: no, it's not even referring to the table names in the sqls there.. :( |
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| 10:25.47 | simonlnu | !set the time |
| 10:25.47 | dpkg | To set the time on Debian systems, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install <ntp> to have their clock set automatically on reboot and slewed to match time servers. Also verify the system's UTC setting and set the correct time zone; ask me about <utc>, <timezone>. |
| 10:25.52 | jubo2 | simonlnu: yeah.. it gives error for some reason.. I think it's .. let me check... |
| 10:25.55 | emgee | Doesn't anybody have this configured already? I just need structure mysql dump! :( |
| 10:26.26 | simonlnu | emgee: probably have it in the source, in some contrib/ dir or something |
| 10:26.32 | jubo2 | I'll look at what the ntp server it fails to contact.. |
| 10:27.15 | simonlnu | jubo2: trying to remember the exact invocation for dpkg-reconfigure |
| 10:27.45 | emgee | simonlnu: Found it! :D /usr/share/dbconfig-common/data/postfix-policyd/install |
| 10:28.45 | simonlnu | aah |
| 10:29.00 | simonlnu | yeh, makes sense it'd be in db-common. forgot about that |
| 10:29.09 | jubo2 | simonlnu: I get _varying_ very cryptic error messages when I try to set using NTP in Settings => Time & Date |
| 10:29.20 | simonlnu | jubo2: the dpkg-reconfigure command doesn't ask you to set a timezone? |
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| 10:30.15 | jubo2 | simonlnu: It asks for continent, I choose Europe, it asks for nearest city I answer Helsinki but still I get the Moscow time |
| 10:30.31 | simonlnu | it won't correct it for you |
| 10:30.45 | simonlnu | use date -s for that |
| 10:31.02 | jubo2 | and the contacting the NTP gives _varying_ errors.. so what do I do.. |
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| 10:31.09 | jubo2 | I 'man date' |
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| 10:32.56 | simonlnu | i don't know what you're talking about "contacting the ntp" |
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| 10:33.54 | jubo2 | simonlnu: In the GUI for setting preferences/settings there is a checkbox ( check with NTP ) that is checked but contacting the NTPD gives varying errors and doesn't set the time |
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| 10:34.31 | simonlnu | yeh well, set the time first, then the ntpd won't error out. and doing it via gnome is iffy, ime. |
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| 10:34.48 | jubo2 | simonlnu: you wouldn't happen to know where I can get software that mutes accidental taps interpreted from sides of thumbs pressing onto the touchpad like on all proper OS'es the OS does without asking the user...? |
| 10:34.58 | simonlnu | no idea |
| 10:36.01 | jubo2 | So I basically want a touch muting threshold system like on iOS the thing that stops your cheek from tapping on the touchscreen when you talk type of thingy.. |
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| 10:36.55 | jubo2 | I mean it'd be a major-commander level mistake to accidentally have a user hit the red button because the system does not eliminate false-taps |
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| 10:38.46 | nsadmin | , versions major-commander |
| 10:38.47 | judd | No package named 'major-commander' was found in i386. |
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| 10:39.11 | nsadmin | that really chaffs mah hyde... |
| 10:39.19 | simonlnu | heh |
| 10:39.20 | jubo2 | simonlnu: I think it thinks that the time is 12:39 in the UTC, not here in Helsingfors.. |
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| 10:39.50 | simonlnu | what does date say? |
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| 10:40.04 | nsadmin | "buy me a drink" |
| 10:40.14 | simonlnu | hehe |
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| 10:40.30 | themill | jubo2: the synaptics driver has support for elimitating accidental touches while typing. |
| 10:40.40 | jubo2 | simonlnu: date says ( incorrectly ) that it is 14:40 in UTC+2 |
| 10:40.49 | nsadmin | Tue Feb 14 10:40:48 UTC 2012 |
| 10:40.56 | themill | (although as I learnt to type properly, I can't say I've ever needed it) |
| 10:41.07 | jubo2 | themill: great.. where can I install it.. which packages I need to install |
| 10:41.17 | simonlnu | jubo2: did you set the time yet? :) |
| 10:41.28 | valerie_ | my computer has problem starting. the message says /dev/sda5:UNEXPECTED INCONSISTENCY; RUN fsck manually, fsck died with exit status 4, an automatic file system check (fsck) of the root system failed. I do not have not have live distribution of any sort. Any idea on how to fix the problem? |
| 10:41.52 | jubo2 | simonlnu: no... I looked at 'date --help' and my brains didn't process how to formulate the string to set it.. |
| 10:41.54 | simonlnu | valerie_: touch /forcefsck as root and reboot |
| 10:41.58 | nsadmin | is sda5 your /? |
| 10:42.12 | simonlnu | jubo2: example: "date -s "-2 hours" |
| 10:42.23 | simonlnu | er, missing dbl quote |
| 10:42.32 | themill | ,i gpointing-device-settings |
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| 10:42.33 | judd | Package gpointing-device-settings (utils, optional) in squeeze/i386: configuration tool for pointing devices. Version: 1.5.1-3; Size: 62.0k; Installed: 584k; Homepage: http://live.gnome.org/GPointingDeviceSettings; Screenshot: http://screenshots.debian.net/package/gpointing-device-settings |
| 10:43.57 | valerie_ | simonlnu, I did that, the message is: cannot touch /forcefsck: Read-only file system |
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| 10:44.17 | jubo2 | simonlnu: great. thanks. now the clock shows right |
| 10:44.48 | jubo2 | Lemme guess that Kubuntu and Xubuntu now show two hours too little ( and the WIn 7 starter this came with ) |
| 10:44.52 | nsadmin | valerie_, do you have a live cd laying around? |
| 10:45.09 | nsadmin | valerie_, is sda5 your /? or what? |
| 10:47.04 | valerie_ | nsadmin, unfortunately I do not. It is not my computer, but I guess it is / |
| 10:47.10 | jubo2 | themill: how / where do I install the "synaptics driver" ? |
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| 10:47.26 | themill | jubo2: what do you have in /etc/default/rcS for UTC, btw? |
| 10:47.32 | jubo2 | I looked for "synaptics" in aptitude but no help |
| 10:48.06 | mahsom | what is this display manager ? http://linuxsysconfig.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/desktop2.png |
| 10:48.22 | jubo2 | themill: UTC = yes |
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| 10:49.59 | project2501a | why the frack does dh-make-perl include the absolute path? |
| 10:50.02 | themill | I can't imagine win7 playing nicely with that, unless windows has finally entered the modern world of time management |
| 10:51.11 | jubo2 | to next problems.. where can I tamper with the keymap mapping map thingy..? I need to have a |
| 10:51.24 | jubo2 | ... 'c' with a cedilla for writing French |
| 10:51.42 | jubo2 | lovely that the Linuxen finally detect keyboards well |
| 10:52.15 | themill | !keymap |
| 10:52.16 | dpkg | Run "dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration" to change both your console and X keymap. For setting up X keymaps, see xkeycaps, xev and ask me about <multimedia keys>. |
| 10:52.18 | jubo2 | When I installed my first Linux in 1998 and many many years after that the keyboards just didn't work very well |
| 10:52.40 | jubo2 | !tell jubo2 about keymap |
| 10:53.04 | simonlnu | same info, i don't see why it'd be different 30 seconds later |
| 10:53.15 | nsadmin | project2501a, abs path of which? |
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| 10:54.08 | simonlnu | mahsom: fluxbox? fvwm ? |
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| 10:55.28 | project2501a | nsadmin: i want to build a perl module. i am in my root account. this is what the package contents are: ./root/perl5/lib/perl5/Lingua/EN/Sentence.pm |
| 10:55.37 | project2501a | what does that ./root doing there? |
| 10:56.02 | simonlnu | perhaps the source doesn't deal with DESTDIR very well |
| 10:56.07 | mahsom | fluxbox . thank you :) |
| 10:56.16 | jubo2 | I want to back-up my keyboard-configuration.. I mean the Debian installer asked me "Finnish keyboard" I answered yes and all the characters are in the right places except that <alt gr>-c does not make a c with cedilla like on OS Xes |
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| 10:56.35 | simonlnu | !compose |
| 10:56.36 | dpkg | To enter chars like ïÇô¿ or éâßñ in X, "xmodmap -e 'keycode 117 = Multi_key'". After that, you can use your rightmost windows key as a Compose key, e.g. pressing windows-key, ~, n in sequence will produce ñ or ñAsk me about <compose sequences> for a how to find out what key combinations you can use. Similar functionality for the console can be achieved using the loadkeys command, or http://andrew.triumf.ca/iso8859-1-compose.html |
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| 10:57.11 | simonlnu | sighs at infobot non-support of utf-8 |
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| 10:57.21 | jubo2 | !tell jubo2 about compose sequnces |
| 10:57.30 | simonlnu | /msg the bot |
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| 10:58.23 | Logi | msg debhelper help |
| 10:58.25 | Logi | bah |
| 10:58.26 | jubo2 | simonlnu: 'k will do |
| 10:58.38 | engla | compose key is worthless. Just modify the keymap to have the keys you need |
| 10:58.44 | simonlnu | Logi: wrong bot anyway. you want dkg |
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| 10:59.40 | Logi | simonlnu: and by dkg you dpkg? |
| 10:59.50 | simonlnu | er, yeh. sorry =) |
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| 11:00.47 | simonlnu | engla: i use compose because i find it confusing to switch keymaps depending on usage |
| 11:01.10 | jubo2 | I have a 3 yrs old Nokia E75 phone and when I connect it with USB-cable and choose "mount as disk" it shows up in OS X ( and prlly windows too ) as a disk named the same as my phone's name buf debian just says "invalid fs" and gazillion other error msgs |
| 11:02.39 | jubo2 | jubo-jubo would like to thank everyone who has contributed to making this great software.. I hope no-one is going "I wish we hadn't developed this to be this good so that jubo-jubo is here to endlessly bug people to get his system tuned to preference..." |
| 11:02.50 | jubo2 | shukran shukran debian devels |
| 11:03.17 | simonlnu | hehe |
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| 11:03.45 | simonlnu | jubo2: most of us aren't developers but volunteers. the ones that are here are also volunteers |
| 11:03.46 | nsadmin | the devel made me write that check! |
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| 11:04.34 | valerie_ | nsadmin, I used sudo fdisk -l command and it showed /dev/sda5 as boot. Any ideas on what I can do next? |
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| 11:05.03 | simonlnu | !compose |
| 11:05.03 | dpkg | To enter chars like á ç ß ¿ © ℃ ± ≠ in X, "xmodmap -e 'keycode 117 = Multi_key'". After that, you can use your right windows key as a Compose key, e.g. pressing windows-key, ~, n in sequence will produce ñ. Ask me about <compose sequences>. Similar functionality for the console can be achieved using the loadkeys command. |
| 11:05.16 | themill | dpkg: tell simonlnu about msg the bot |
| 11:05.19 | themill | hides |
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| 11:05.27 | simonlnu | hehe, quite right =) |
| 11:05.33 | jelly | á |
| 11:05.36 | jelly | it works! |
| 11:05.45 | simonlnu | *groan* |
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| 11:06.04 | engla | simonlnu: I see maybe my usage isn't very diverse |
| 11:06.06 | ksuhku | jubo2, you can perhaps change some setting in the phone regarding how it communicates with computers |
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| 11:06.14 | jelly | except mine's on the Menu key, Windows are Super |
| 11:06.23 | ksuhku | jubo2, or do you happen to know what fs it uses? |
| 11:06.24 | gnarface | so you have to add xmodmap -e 'keycode 117 = Multi_key' to your ~/.xinitrc and then you can enter fancy characters ? |
| 11:06.28 | simonlnu | mine's on menu |
| 11:06.35 | themill | uses caps lock |
| 11:06.42 | valerie_ | simonlu, I used sudo fdisk -l command and it showed /dev/sda5 as boot. Any ideas on what I can do next ? |
| 11:06.50 | simonlnu | another useless key! capslock |
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| 11:08.02 | gnarface | hmm |
| 11:09.00 | simonlnu | valerie_: remount rw, do the touch command, and reboot; or go to single user, unmount all the filsystems, fsck. if one of them complains, don't force it |
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| 11:13.41 | nsadmin | well sda5 could be / or /boot |
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| 11:16.17 | nsadmin | (based on common practice) |
| 11:16.36 | gnarface | what if i want to enter a unicode or latin1 character by number? |
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| 11:17.37 | iluminator101 | is there an FOSS autocad program? |
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| 11:18.10 | themill | ,i librecad --release sid |
| 11:18.11 | judd | Package librecad (graphics, optional) in sid/i386: Computer-aided design (CAD) system. Version: 1.0.1+nolibs-2; Size: 2093.8k; Installed: 4339k; Homepage: http://www.librecad.org/; Screenshot: http://screenshots.debian.net/package/librecad |
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| 11:19.05 | valerie_ | simonlu, I am not sure how to remount rw. I used it as command and response is : invalid command. I went to /etc/fstab , the message there: / was on /dev/sda5 during installation and there is UUID number |
| 11:19.11 | nsadmin | there are some cads |
| 11:19.42 | nsadmin | autocad isn't a foss, but I remember a cad |
| 11:20.19 | simonlnu | valerie_: mount -o remount,rw /thepartition_or_device_node |
| 11:20.29 | iluminator101 | nsadmin, hmm...which one is that |
| 11:21.14 | nsadmin | I'm trying to remember, iot' |
| 11:21.25 | nsadmin | err it's somethingcad |
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| 11:25.51 | nsadmin | found qcad, pythoncad, free-cad |
| 11:26.30 | simonlnu | yeh i've heard of qcad. librecad i vaguely remember someone mentioning a while ago. |
| 11:26.34 | nsadmin | brl-cad |
| 11:26.54 | gnarface | ☺ |
| 11:26.54 | themill | qcad was removed from debian; librecad replaces it... that's why I pointed it out 10 minutes ago |
| 11:26.56 | gnarface | holy crap it works |
| 11:27.02 | gnarface | ☹ |
| 11:27.04 | gnarface | hehe |
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| 11:28.33 | simonlnu | smilies! :) |
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| 11:28.41 | simonlnu | gnarface: what did you do? |
| 11:29.51 | gnarface | simonlnu: i added "/usr/bin/xmodmap -e 'keycode 135 = Multi_key'" to my ~/.xinitrc and then relogged and now i can type smiies |
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| 11:29.58 | gnarface | simonlnu: er, smilies |
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| 11:31.33 | simonlnu | gnarface: no, i mean what did you type to get the smilies? |
| 11:31.47 | gnarface | oh |
| 11:31.50 | gnarface | :) and :( |
| 11:31.54 | gnarface | actually |
| 11:31.56 | themill | exactly what you would guess might work, much of the time |
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| 11:34.08 | simonlnu | ☺ OMG! |
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| 11:38.01 | sephii | damn, I really don't understand anything to the rsync man page. I'm trying to connect to a different port than the default one on the rsync daemon but I don't know what notation to use. I'm trying with myhost:port/mydirectory but it doesn't work, any idea? |
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| 11:39.04 | petemc | sephii: i use a ~/.ssh/config file to do that |
| 11:39.12 | petemc | you can specify hosts and ports in that file |
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| 11:40.11 | ronin___ | hi all |
| 11:40.31 | ronin___ | I install debian 6.0.4 but i can't install any software!! |
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| 11:41.35 | sephii | petemc: I created an ssh alias, but then how should I use it? I tried rsync -r . my_ssh_alias but it created a dir my_ssh_alias. I also tried to do rsync -r . rsync://my_ssh_alias but it says name or service not known |
| 11:41.49 | engla | ronin___: describe your problem in detail |
| 11:41.50 | sephii | ronin___: describe your problem |
| 11:42.50 | ronin___ | when I enter apt-get install synaptic i've got error E: Unable to locate package synaptic |
| 11:43.22 | sephii | ronin___: do an apt-get update first |
| 11:43.45 | sephii | ronin___: if it doesn't work, put the contents of your /etc/apt/sources.list file on paste.debian.net |
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| 11:46.48 | ronin___ | http://paste.debian.net/156207/ |
| 11:47.00 | ronin___ | sephii:http://paste.debian.net/156207/ |
| 11:47.48 | themill | dpkg: tell ronin___ about make squeeze sources.list |
| 11:48.12 | themill | ronin___: you have no actual mirror there at all. You need to edit your sources.list to include one as dpkg just suggested to you |
| 11:49.24 | simonlnu | no wonder you can't find anything. shouldn't comment out things if you don't know what they are for. |
| 11:49.48 | ronin___ | themill: pls give me more information! |
| 11:50.24 | simonlnu | ronin___: read the info themill had the dpkg bot just tell you |
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| 11:51.22 | ronin___ | themill: sorry i don't understand |
| 11:51.50 | themill | ronin___: dpkg opened up a new chat tab for you. Read what he said. |
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| 11:52.31 | ronin___ | simonlnu: sorry i don't understand |
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| 11:53.20 | ronin___ | themill: I'm on windows unfortunetly, i can't install anything in my linux |
| 11:53.43 | ushaft | Hi, on Debian squeeze, when i try aptitude dist-upgrade, it says: "cracklib2-dev: Depends: cracklib2 but it is not installable" how do i solve this ? the package cracklib2 is no longer in squeeze |
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| 11:54.04 | themill | ushaft: very simple: don't mix releases |
| 11:54.21 | ushaft | themill, i am on squeeze, and no repositories from earlier versions |
| 11:54.33 | ushaft | some packages were pinned, i have unpinned them now already |
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| 11:56.00 | themill | ushaft: there never was a "cracklib2" package in debian. |
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| 11:56.13 | engla | ronin___: you need to change your sources.list then update, then install. |
| 11:56.33 | themill | ushaft: please put the command you gave and the entire output in a pastebin. Also, "/msg dpkg bat" and provide some of the other suggested information |
| 11:56.45 | ushaft | themill, http://packages.debian.org/source/lenny/cracklib2 this source package ? |
| 11:56.49 | ushaft | themill, ok, i will |
| 11:56.53 | ronin___ | themill: pls help |
| 11:57.07 | themill | ushaft: that's a source package; there is no binary package of that name. Never has been |
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| 11:57.57 | ronin___ | engla: can u helo? how? |
| 11:58.01 | ronin___ | simonlnu: pls help |
| 11:58.45 | themill | ronin___: I'm not sure how much more we can tell you. You have to edit the file as dpkg told you. Unless you tell us what part of that you're not sure about, we're a bit stuck. |
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| 11:59.35 | ronin___ | themill: what do u mean as dpkg? |
| 11:59.46 | simonlnu | !dpkg |
| 11:59.46 | dpkg | dpkg is, like, the program used by Debian to install and remove packages, "man dpkg". Also ask me about <reference>. The main info bot in #debian is also called dpkg; ask me about <dpkgbot>. |
| 11:59.55 | simonlnu | !dpkgbot |
| 11:59.56 | dpkg | Please visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively search the factoids database for FAQ, and not flood in the channel with !tell <who> about <what>. Also ask me about <msg the bot>. We ask that you learn to search for yourself first, unless it is a specific problem. Many questions are asked repeatedly, and the factoid database can be of great help to you. Ask me about <search dpkg>. |
| 12:00.04 | themill | ronin___: I'm not sure how much more we can tell you. You have to edit the file as dpkg told you. Unless you tell us what part of that you're not sure about, we're a bit stuck. |
| 12:00.10 | themill | gah |
| 12:00.23 | themill | ronin___: dpkg opened up a new chat tab for you. Read what he said. |
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| 12:01.04 | djota | themill: i thought it's a she? |
| 12:01.38 | nsadmin | !gender |
| 12:01.38 | dpkg | I'm female |
| 12:01.49 | nsadmin | give that man a ceegar! |
| 12:02.05 | themill | !gender |
| 12:02.05 | dpkg | I'm gay |
| 12:02.22 | nsadmin | that's not a gender :P |
| 12:02.22 | themill | you'll find that dpkg will tell you anything |
| 12:02.26 | ushaft | themill, http://pastebin.com/VXbSMtC4 |
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| 12:04.11 | simonlnu | nsadmin: or freenode servers |
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| 12:04.25 | themill | ushaft: you have a few very old packages from previous releases there. I'd say that the upgrade from etch to lenny was never properly completed. Can you pastebin the output of "aptitude search ~o"? |
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| 12:04.34 | nsadmin | seems like they're contacting clients directly |
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| 12:05.13 | ushaft | themill, some packages were pinned and sore were on hold, was the incomplete upgrade because of this ? |
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| 12:05.25 | themill | probably |
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| 12:06.01 | ushaft | themill, http://pastebin.com/khSBGjS6 |
| 12:06.04 | nsadmin | other cads.. varion, sailcut |
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| 12:09.01 | themill | ushaft: wow... that's an impressive list going back a long time into debian past. I'd say *all* of those packages can probably go... as nothing in debian is using them as they should have been recompiled against newer things. "aptitude purge ~o" will get rid of them and their config files (the config files left behind by that libdevmapper package you've got being nasty for insserv in squeeze) |
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| 12:09.41 | themill | ushaft: that said, you should make sure that you know what is currently providing your apache, cups, etc before removing those packages. |
| 12:09.43 | ushaft | what does this list mean? list of old packages ? |
| 12:09.51 | themill | !obsolete |
| 12:09.51 | dpkg | If you remove a repository from your sources.list (e.g. removing <dmm>), then you should check what packages you have installed from the other repository. Synaptic and aptitude have a "Obsolete and Locally Created Packages" list. Or, "aptitude search ~o". Note this doesn't include packages that exist in the repo at a different version to the one you have installed; see <not available> <list repositories>. |
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| 12:10.08 | themill | they are packages that are no longer in the archive anywhere |
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| 12:10.20 | archo43 | hi |
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| 12:10.44 | ushaft | oh, but the list also shows things apache-common, phpbb2 and so on |
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| 12:10.56 | simonlnu | omg |
| 12:10.59 | ushaft | some of them look useful |
| 12:11.02 | ushaft | no > |
| 12:11.03 | ushaft | ? |
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| 12:12.41 | simonlnu | those are also old |
| 12:12.45 | ushaft | themill, what does insserv mean |
| 12:12.54 | simonlnu | ,i insserv |
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| 12:12.55 | judd | Package insserv (misc, optional) in squeeze/i386: Tool to organize boot sequence using LSB init.d script dependencies. Version: 1.14.0-2; Size: 68.4k; Installed: 292k; Homepage: http://savannah.nongnu.org/projects/sysvinit |
| 12:12.56 | themill | !insserv |
| 12:12.56 | dpkg | insserv is a dependency-based <init> system that is compatible with <sysvinit> and is the default from squeeze onwards. To use insserv, your init scripts need to have tags at the top of them that describe what they depend on, to permit the correct ordering of the init scripts; ask me about <missing lsb tags>. |
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| 12:13.04 | simonlnu | heh |
| 12:13.06 | ushaft | :) |
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| 12:13.41 | themill | ushaft: apache2-common is now apache2.2-common in squeeze. cupsys->cups, phpbb2->phpbb3 etc. There are lots of things on that box that are a long way past their used-by dates |
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| 12:14.06 | simonlnu | ..and best before |
| 12:14.08 | ushaft | so, aptitude purge ~o should be safe ? |
| 12:14.09 | ushaft | hmm |
| 12:14.17 | ushaft | simonlnu, :) |
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| 12:14.43 | simonlnu | best before mid 2008 |
| 12:14.47 | ushaft | i am working on a system maintained by somebody else in the past. are the packages obsolete by one version (lenny) or more than that, (ie etch) in your opinion ? |
| 12:14.48 | ushaft | hmm |
| 12:15.03 | simonlnu | smells like etch |
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| 12:15.21 | ushaft | so the upgrade from etch-1 to etch was also not smooth? simonlnu |
| 12:15.35 | simonlnu | didn't say that |
| 12:15.53 | ushaft | upgrade from etch to lenny was definitely incomplete ? |
| 12:16.00 | ushaft | or froms arge to etch |
| 12:16.03 | ushaft | just trying to figure |
| 12:16.11 | themill | that libdevmapper1.02 is an etch package I think. |
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| 12:16.32 | ushaft | hmm |
| 12:16.54 | ushaft | themill, simonlnu do you think "aptitude purge ~o" would be safe ? |
| 12:17.22 | themill | do you currently have a working apache and phpbb installation? What versions are they running? |
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| 12:18.07 | simonlnu | ushaft: we don't know what's good or useless there. it's up to you to figure that out. |
| 12:18.20 | ushaft | themill, apache2: 2.2.16-6+squeeze4, phpbb2 2.0.21-7, phpbb3 3.0.2-4 |
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| 12:18.49 | ushaft | simonlnu, ok, any suggestions on the right way of doing that? i have never done this before, so wanted to hear some expert advice before proceeding :) |
| 12:19.34 | themill | you do, of course, have backups :) |
| 12:19.40 | ushaft | themill, yes, i have |
| 12:19.46 | ushaft | i am working on a cloned machine |
| 12:19.57 | ushaft | i can test things on this machine before replicating the steps on the production machine |
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| 12:20.11 | simonlnu | ushaft: you need to determine what is useful to the situation, and whether or not you still need it |
| 12:20.13 | ushaft | but of course, not all things wont be exactly the same |
| 12:20.23 | ushaft | *not all things will be |
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| 12:21.43 | ushaft | themill, one question: how did that cracklib2 package got in? is it because some old package was compiled and used? |
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| 12:22.13 | themill | well.. it might be that was the name of the package back in sarge... I can't easily search that far back! |
| 12:22.28 | ushaft | hmm |
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| 12:26.29 | humbolt | how can I track back, which vhost/user sent a certain mail from my vhosting system?! |
| 12:26.48 | gnarface | humbolt: the log maybe? |
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| 12:27.46 | nsadmin | does the log entry shoe the email address? |
| 12:28.23 | humbolt | gnarface: well, the mail log does not say much. I can find no reference in there to a certain php user (I am actually running each vhost's php under their specific user account). |
| 12:28.55 | humbolt | nsadmin: it does show a sender address, but they do not correspond with anything. |
| 12:29.07 | humbolt | looks like form code injection |
| 12:29.37 | nsadmin | well of course you need to protect from that |
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| 12:30.27 | humbolt | nsadmin: well, I am only the vhoster, not the one who wrote these sites. |
| 12:31.38 | archo43 | + |
| 12:31.42 | archo43 | ohps |
| 12:32.17 | gnarface | humbolt: the /var/log/exim4/mainlog has no useful info? |
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| 12:37.21 | archo43 | Is it possible to get my blackberry working with linux? |
| 12:37.29 | archo43 | (Just curious) |
| 12:38.57 | petemc | define working |
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| 12:39.29 | humbolt | gnarface: no, not really. for most mails (the spam ones), I do not find any reference to the process, which submitted them. |
| 12:40.31 | dmbaturin | Working ::= able to perform all or the majority of things it's intended to do. |
| 12:40.41 | archo43 | working like in windows? |
| 12:40.55 | archo43 | i want to download my contacts first of all |
| 12:41.00 | petemc | it should appear as a usb mass storage device |
| 12:41.48 | dmbaturin | archo43: I seem to recall something called 'barry' for that, but never tried it. I use symbian-based device now. |
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| 12:43.48 | archo43 | barry? |
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| 12:45.19 | archo43 | oh |
| 12:45.22 | dmbaturin | That was name of the software. I don't remember any details. |
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| 12:52.23 | jubo2 | How do I enable two-fingers-on-the-pad-scrolling ? I've looked at "mouse" in system settings to no avail.. |
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| 12:57.18 | freshly-squeezed | is there a gui fro transcode? |
| 12:57.38 | dmbaturin | jubo2: what desktop environment? |
| 12:57.44 | jubo2 | kde |
| 12:57.46 | project2501a | is there an option for tar to *not* preserve the userid? |
| 12:57.47 | freshly-squeezed | LXDE |
| 12:57.52 | project2501a | E!19 |
| 12:58.15 | pom | Can I disable password login for a specific user without disabling id_rsa login? |
| 12:58.34 | project2501a | pom: passwd -l <user> |
| 12:58.51 | jelly | project2501a: use --no-same-owner when extracting, instead |
| 12:58.59 | project2501a | ta |
| 12:59.07 | jelly | or don't extract as root |
| 12:59.14 | pom | project2501a: What does it mean to lock an account exactly? |
| 12:59.32 | project2501a | pom: man passwd |
| 12:59.40 | project2501a | jelly: ah. dual behaviour |
| 13:00.48 | pom | project2501a: The man page is actually not any more specific. It only describes the method used, not what it means. |
| 13:01.05 | jelly | project2501a: yes, works differently depending on whether you're root or not |
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| 13:02.42 | project2501a | pom: it basically means that authentication through password-pam is not allowed any more for that user. |
| 13:02.50 | project2501a | at least that is the linux interpretation |
| 13:03.01 | project2501a | it varies in other Unices |
| 13:03.37 | pom | project2501a: That is basically the behaviour I'm looking for. But it also disables login with rsa-key. |
| 13:03.53 | project2501a | no it does not. |
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| 13:04.10 | project2501a | wait, does the ssh server talk to pam? |
| 13:04.27 | project2501a | pom, otherwise, you can change the sshd_config to disable password authentication |
| 13:04.30 | pom | project2501a: I don't think so. But I will try lock. I just remembered I did --delete. |
| 13:04.33 | jelly | project2501a: yes in Debian. |
| 13:04.37 | pom | It's obviously not the same. |
| 13:04.59 | project2501a | jelly: i love you honeybunney |
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| 13:05.09 | project2501a | <3 valentines day and all |
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| 13:06.29 | jelly | oh right! |
| 13:06.34 | jelly | !kiss project2501a |
| 13:06.35 | dpkg | smooches project2501a on the lips |
| 13:06.42 | project2501a | oh baby |
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| 13:09.22 | pom | project2501a: Sorry, my mistake here. Users folder had g+w, which disables ssh-key login even thouh .ssh doesn't have |
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| 13:14.54 | guardian | hi, i want to change the hostname on a debian squeeze box. is changing /etc/hostname and /etc/hosts enough? |
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| 13:16.08 | jelly | guardian: /msg dpkg hostname |
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| 13:16.29 | jelly | (so basically yes) |
| 13:16.34 | wbook | . |
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| 13:17.07 | guardian | thx |
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| 13:20.08 | mandla | Hooray! I managed to install gnome on debian |
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| 13:20.30 | qubodup | hi |
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| 13:21.15 | qubodup | http://wiki.debian.org/DFSGLicenses lists 'petris' license but I see no proof that it has been approved |
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| 13:22.31 | qubodup | it actually uses a different license. I think it's safe to delete this entry in the list . http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/p/petris/petris_1.0.1-8/petris.copyright |
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| 13:30.58 | jelly | qubodup: or find when it's been changed and state so in the wiki |
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| 13:36.07 | lynks | could someone dig a domain for me and tell me why it isnt workin? |
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| 13:39.13 | gnarface | lynks: domain? |
| 13:40.23 | simonlnu | dig domain. >> status: NXDOMAIN |
| 13:40.40 | jelly | lynks: I can dig it! |
| 13:40.49 | jelly | can you dig it |
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| 13:44.58 | archo43 | how do i access my itunes on debian? |
| 13:46.10 | babilen | archo43: What exactly is "your iTunes" ? |
| 13:46.28 | gnarface | archo43: someone just listed a good program the other day i forget what it was called though. |
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| 13:46.59 | archo43 | you kno, the songs on iTunes |
| 13:47.00 | skilz | archo43, Wine does not support iTunes very well, But maybe you are talking about you iTunes audio library? |
| 13:47.37 | gnarface | archo43: if you just want to destructively cram mp3's on to your ipod with little care as to what may happen after you connect it to a mac again later (probably bad things) you can usually just mount them as a usb drive and figure out by basic observation which directory the mp3's go in |
| 13:47.42 | skilz | archo43, Are you talking about accessing your Windows drive? |
| 13:48.13 | archo43 | yeh, i have a few songs that I like |
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| 13:48.35 | archo43 | on my iPod |
| 13:48.50 | babilen | gnarface: That won't work as iPods (at least the last time I looked some years ago) require that a specific library file is updated along with the copied files. iPods do (unfortunately) not work like every other same player in that you can just copy media files into appropriate locations. |
| 13:48.54 | skilz | archo43, Just look for the directory on the iPod, have you mounted it? |
| 13:49.06 | skilz | You can use rhythmbox I believe |
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| 13:50.02 | archo43 | can i not buy songs on the apple store anymore in debian? |
| 13:50.16 | gnarface | babilen: believe it or not i've done this successfully on some models of ipods. it can break shit but its often possible to get it to play |
| 13:50.17 | babilen | archo43: A bunch of linux media players such as rhythmbox or amarok (i.a.) support iPods quite well and you can easily access your music on them. I have no idea how well they play together with the actual iTunes store or DRMed files though. |
| 13:50.48 | archo43 | oh that sounds scary |
| 13:51.21 | gnarface | babilen: "required" is a pretty grey area when you're using stuff in a way unintended by the documentation to begin with |
| 13:51.48 | skilz | archo43, There are some music stores you can access from Rhythmbox to buy music, it's not the actual Apple Store, but it works/ |
| 13:51.54 | archo43 | ive recently installed debian... where do the files that were on there before go? |
| 13:52.13 | archo43 | the itunes songs and stuff |
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| 13:52.34 | skilz | archo43, They get squashed up nice and small and crammed away into a dark corner of your drive... |
| 13:52.47 | archo43 | ?? |
| 13:53.00 | archo43 | skilz: oh, i paid lots of money for those songs |
| 13:53.11 | skilz | archo43, I'm guessing you re-partitioned your drive? |
| 13:53.38 | archo43 | uhm... yeh... i think it created some partitions for root |
| 13:53.41 | babilen | archo43: Why does that sound scary? You just install rhythmbox, plug in your iPod and all is good. No need to "register" the device with your computer, you can easily copy files *from* and *to* the device and so on. Just make sure that you set the preferred audio profile to an iPod supported format, as rhythmbox would happily copy say ogg or flac to the iPod. Note that this information might not be valid anymore as I am lucky enough to not own an ... |
| 13:53.43 | archo43 | and another for home |
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| 13:53.47 | babilen | ... iPod. |
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| 13:54.06 | skilz | archo43, You can try to install iTunes with wine, but im not sure how much success you will have... http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=application&iId=1347 |
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| 13:55.12 | skilz | archo43, All your files are lost forever since you partitioned the drive |
| 13:55.23 | archo43 | what? |
| 13:55.30 | archo43 | why? |
| 13:55.45 | skilz | But if you can access the iTunes store on another computer you can download the songs again for free can't you? |
| 13:56.24 | archo43 | i had some other important stuff on the computer before i installed debian |
| 13:56.27 | archo43 | can i get those back? |
| 13:56.33 | EyesIsMine | no |
| 13:56.49 | petemc | maybe |
| 13:57.07 | skilz | archo43, Thats what happens when you format/partition a drive, it wipes it clear to start off again. You would have seen a warning during the installation process saying something like "WARNING: All data will be lost for ever" Something along those lines. |
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| 13:57.33 | archo43 | i cant remember |
| 13:57.34 | skilz | archo43, It's usually an idea to backup data. |
| 13:57.37 | archo43 | seeing that warnings |
| 13:58.17 | petemc | archo43: pastebin the output of fdisk -l , ran as root |
| 13:58.20 | skilz | archo43, Debian GNU/Linux comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY, to the extent |
| 13:58.21 | skilz | permitted by applicable law! |
| 13:59.23 | archo43 | oh |
| 13:59.28 | archo43 | no warranty? |
| 13:59.40 | archo43 | so my computer doesnt have a warranty anymore? |
| 13:59.57 | lynks | that domain was kingfilm.co.uk |
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| 14:00.15 | gnarface | haha archo43 are you for real?? |
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| 14:00.34 | archo43 | sorry i was a bit sleep deprived when i installed debian |
| 14:00.49 | skilz | haha |
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| 14:00.52 | archo43 | im just scared because i had a few hundred £ worth of stuff on my computer |
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| 14:01.02 | archo43 | and i cant find it in the file manager |
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| 14:01.30 | skilz | archo43, You're warranty is void and null |
| 14:01.37 | archo43 | ok i got to go somewhere important, ill be back in a bit |
| 14:01.51 | valdyn | archo43: windows comes with absolutels no warranty too, like any software |
| 14:02.02 | valdyn | or almost any software |
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| 14:03.13 | skilz | archo43, If you want support, do as petemc said and pastebin the output of fdisk -l ran as root. |
| 14:03.31 | gnarface | lynks: well i get normal responses from your dns servers but mine doesn't appear to know shit about it so i can only assume you just registered it a few minutes ago and it hasn't propogated everywhere yet? |
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| 14:04.07 | lynks | gnarface: 5 days now, and about 60% of our clients still havent seen updates on their domains |
| 14:04.22 | gnarface | windows comes with a warranty, it just protects microsoft from any damage your computer may do to their corporate image, that's all |
| 14:04.35 | lynks | if it was 100% id know i had done something wrong... |
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| 14:05.14 | gnarface | lynks: well, i hate to tell you this but you may still have |
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| 14:05.39 | gnarface | lynks: it could also be whoever is doing firewalling/routing for the network the dns servers are on too though |
| 14:06.14 | valdyn | lets assume a route is broken |
| 14:06.24 | lynks | gnarface: im getting so much flak over this, but ive been staring at the zone files for 3 days now |
| 14:06.37 | valdyn | will dns servers hand out wrong ips when the soa is not replying? |
| 14:07.26 | gnarface | valdyn: i was thinking of more subtle issues, like tcp traffic to the dns port being passed but udp being forgotten, which will lead to weird intermittent behavior of all sorts |
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| 14:08.28 | gnarface | lynks: well what you should be doing is trailing the daemon.log file, maybe with a higher verbosity than the default |
| 14:08.46 | lynks | the client domains (such as kingfilm.co.uk) have always had NS set to ns1.freshsparkcreative.com, that has never changed. what has changed is ns1 used to be our own bind server, but is now an alias for our godaddy server. |
| 14:09.10 | lynks | so no daemon.log file for me :( |
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| 14:10.02 | gnarface | lynks: godaddy strikes again. dun-dun-dun!!! |
| 14:10.38 | gnarface | lynks: i think maybe you should take it up with them |
| 14:10.45 | gnarface | lynks: but you get what you pay for |
| 14:10.51 | lynks | 'dns expiration time' is an excuse my boss is getting tired of :( |
| 14:11.20 | gnarface | lynks: well maybe they set it to 2 weeks |
| 14:11.43 | lynks | but then why the 60%? |
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| 14:11.56 | valdyn | kingfilm.co.uk has address 31.222.168.102 |
| 14:12.04 | valdyn | Am I 60% or 40%? |
| 14:12.09 | lynks | that is correct, you are 40% |
| 14:12.22 | gnarface | i'm on the 60% side |
| 14:12.26 | ushaft | themill, i wanted to ask a question related to the old packages discussion sometime ago. I still use svk. is this package also not in the archives these days ? |
| 14:12.44 | lynks | the worst of it is our server is in the 60% so, exim is completely confused. client emails down for 5 days... |
| 14:13.06 | valdyn | pdns01.domaincontrol.com is correct? |
| 14:13.24 | lynks | that is correct, thats godaddy |
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| 14:13.39 | lynks | freshsparkcreative is us |
| 14:13.42 | gnarface | lynks: i always host my own dns. an unrelated statistic to this is that godaddy has never failed to piss me off on any occasion i've had to deal with them on behalf of a client |
| 14:14.12 | valdyn | 8.8.8.8 has it right now |
| 14:14.25 | valdyn | ( googles dns server ) |
| 14:14.31 | lynks | gnarface: it was a management decision to switch to hosted dns |
| 14:15.00 | gnarface | lynks: lemme guess, to reduce outages due to incompetence? |
| 14:15.02 | valdyn | I'd agree with your management |
| 14:15.16 | lynks | valdyn: yeah, oddly most of the tld server seemed to get it pretty quickly, but for some reason the users are not seeing the update |
| 14:15.19 | gnarface | lynks: i'm certain the irony has not been lost on you either. |
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| 14:15.54 | lynks | gnarface: as a sysadmin for a small web company, i get this kind of stuff all the time. im used to being blamed for the consequences of management decisions |
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| 14:17.07 | gnarface | hmm. |
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| 14:17.25 | gnarface | lynks: my dns server probably isn't talking on ipv6. i wonder if that's got something to do with why i'm in the 60% |
| 14:18.00 | lynks | hmm |
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| 14:20.14 | valdyn | trace works too |
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| 14:20.51 | lynks | yeah trace has always worked, which has been my evidence for telling the boss that we just have to be patient. but 5 days? im starting to doubt myself... |
| 14:21.15 | lynks | particularly as some clients, and my home, had the update on day 1 |
| 14:21.24 | karlpinc | valdyn: trace? |
| 14:21.37 | valdyn | karlpinc: dig +trace |
| 14:21.43 | karlpinc | valdyn: Ah. Thanks. |
| 14:22.14 | karlpinc | lynks: You could poke about the dns of somebody who's not seeing the updates and check the ttl. |
| 14:22.27 | valdyn | lynks: 48 hours have passed, right? |
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| 14:23.28 | lynks | valdyn: were at about 80 hours now |
| 14:23.41 | valdyn | lynks: ok |
| 14:24.04 | valdyn | lynks: the dns root servers think that the NS are ns1.freshsparkcreative.com and ns2.fresh... |
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| 14:24.34 | valdyn | lynks: and they do not have an soa entry |
| 14:24.57 | valdyn | lynks: im going to try some things.. |
| 14:25.02 | lynks | valdyn: those are our 'vanity' names, that should be aliased to domaincontrol (godaddy) |
| 14:25.15 | lynks | valdyn: a thousand thankyous |
| 14:25.29 | valdyn | lynks: ok, youre right |
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| 14:35.13 | mastroWork | is it possible to makes maven 2 (from repo) co-exist with maven3 manually installed? |
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| 14:39.45 | lynks | mastroWork: i think you arrived during a netsplit, you might want to try asking again in a couple of minutes |
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| 14:43.44 | lynks | valdyn: any luck? |
| 14:44.23 | Moises_ | Algum brasileiro no canal ? |
| 14:44.24 | Dagger3 | lynks: I stuck it into http://pingability.com/zoneinfo.jsp?domain=kingfilm.co.uk and got "This name server has CNAME record for ns2.freshsparkcreative.com. This is usually not desirable, and can cause problems with some name servers." |
| 14:44.28 | Dagger3 | which sounds like it might be relevant |
| 14:44.49 | lynks | interesting... |
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| 14:45.19 | nsadmin | !br |
| 14:45.19 | dpkg | Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
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| 14:45.43 | Dagger3 | (it also reports the same issue with using a CNAME for the MX record too, which it might be prudent to fix) |
| 14:46.19 | nsadmin | does the CNAME refer to a name that has an A? |
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| 14:46.40 | Moises_ | dpkg, thanks |
| 14:46.40 | dpkg | bitte, Moises_ |
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| 14:48.26 | lynks | nsadmin: it does but i could remove the mail. seeing as its the same ip as the domain iteself |
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| 14:49.04 | nsadmin | then maybe you don't need the mx |
| 14:49.22 | skilz | Hey when I plug a monitor into my G40 Thinkpad, the display is mirrored, how can I have 2 screens? |
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| 14:50.33 | lynks | nsadmin: if you dont have an mx record, will MTAs just use the @ A record? |
| 14:51.16 | Dagger3 | nsadmin: the problem isn't whether or not the CNAME destination has an A record, but rather that CNAMEs just aren't valid for MX records (and it looks like maybe not for NS records either) |
| 14:52.35 | lynks | Dagger3: that could be the issue, NS record for all our clients is a vanity name that is a CNAME for our actual dns servers... |
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| 14:53.48 | skilz | This seems a little offtopic |
| 14:54.02 | skilz | MX records and dns servers |
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| 14:54.36 | lynks | i think we have solved it anyhow |
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| 14:58.51 | dommer | someone wanna give me a hand? I'm working in python on vim and it's not working :V |
| 14:59.20 | lynks | dommer: whats not working? vim? your code? |
| 14:59.29 | dommer | my code apparently |
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| 15:00.41 | petemc | dommer: you should probably explain your problem more clearly |
| 15:01.17 | gnarface | wow so bluetooth obexftp ... broken in sid for months now, but still working in squeeze |
| 15:01.41 | gnarface | and it works in wheezy someone said? |
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| 15:02.12 | Fratyr | Hi. On my debian installation I'm using this command: "rsync -avzH -e ssh --progress --exclude='.svn' --owner=apache --group=apache [source_dir] [user]@[server_ip]:/[remote_dir]" and it works. the problem is that the owner and group is not what I'm trying to assign here. it gives the owner of user who fired the script, and group is "65534". Any ideas? |
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| 15:03.04 | nsadmin | dommer, if your code is not functioning, perhaps python docs, python mailing lists and #python (in that order) could help |
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| 15:04.47 | jhutchins_wk | Fratyr: You need to re-check the documentation. The "a" tries to preserve the original uid and gid. |
| 15:04.57 | Fratyr | >_< |
| 15:04.59 | Fratyr | Thank you! |
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| 15:10.20 | jllo | hello |
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| 15:11.26 | jllo | what's the equivalent of rpm -q --changelog <package> in debian world? |
| 15:11.32 | Fratyr | jhutchins_wk: um... no. -a is --archive |
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| 15:12.22 | ChibaPet | So, is it safe to assume that Debian has to plans to move to systemd? |
| 15:12.27 | ChibaPet | no plans* |
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| 15:13.22 | ChibaPet | I encountered it for the first time, end of last night. Worrisome. |
| 15:14.01 | somiaj | jllo: care to tell us what that does? Do you just want to read the changelog? |
| 15:14.09 | jelly | ChibaPet: I like being able to understand and hack my init system |
| 15:14.35 | jllo | somiaj: display the changelog |
| 15:14.37 | NishaKitty | does anyone know if there is a way to read kde configs from the command line (opposite of kdewriteconfig) |
| 15:14.42 | NishaKitty | been googling no luck |
| 15:14.53 | NishaKitty | (kwriteconfig)* |
| 15:14.59 | jllo | somiaj: exactly, I just want to read the changelog |
| 15:15.11 | somiaj | jllo: /usr/share/doc/<pkgname> contains that, but I don't know a way to get it without either installing or extracing the deb first |
| 15:15.37 | somiaj | dpkg has no 'changelog' mentioned in its man page |
| 15:15.38 | dpkg | somiaj: bugger all, i dunno |
| 15:15.47 | NishaKitty | nvm apparently it exists |
| 15:15.59 | petemc | apt-listchanges |
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| 15:16.14 | jllo | somiaj: ok, thanks. |
| 15:16.15 | jelly | jllo: aptitude changelog foo for packages that are not installed yet, zless /usr/share/doc/packagename/changelog.Debian.gz for the installed ones |
| 15:16.27 | somiaj | jllo: notes petemc comment as well. (: |
| 15:16.41 | wooden | NishaKitty: re: KDE. There is a corresponding kdereadconfig command. E.G. kreadconfig --file /net/homes/$USER/.kde/share/config/nepomukserverrc --group 'Basic Settings' --key 'Start Nepomuk' |
| 15:16.42 | dcordes | hello. is there a chat for debian ports? I have trouble debootstrapping debian armhf rootfs |
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| 15:17.19 | jelly | apt-listchanges is more of an equivalent to yum-changelog package |
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| 15:17.52 | jelly | !tell dcordes about armhf |
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| 15:18.14 | jelly | dcordes: note the channel dpkg tells you about is NOT on this network, but oftc! |
| 15:18.41 | dcordes | jelly: thanks :) |
| 15:18.58 | dcordes | dpkg: botsnack |
| 15:18.59 | dpkg | thanks, dcordes |
| 15:19.27 | NishaKitty | wooden: yeah I just foind it thank you though |
| 15:19.37 | NishaKitty | it just appears there are more refs to kwriteconfig on google |
| 15:19.42 | NishaKitty | so I couldn't find it easily |
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| 15:21.34 | Pythos | I just got the net-inst small cd image, do I have to use a CDR, or can I put it on DVD(+/-)R ? |
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| 15:22.27 | jhutchins_wk | Pythos: As long as the drive in the target system can boot from it a DVD is fine. |
| 15:23.30 | Pythos | um, K. It can, so then perhaps the ISO was messed up somehow, since the system won't boot it. Thanks tho |
| 15:23.34 | jhutchins_wk | Fratyr: Read the man page about what -a does. Yes, mnemonic is "archive". |
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| 15:28.24 | Guest63044 | how to find all machines ip connected to localhost |
| 15:28.39 | ChibaPet | Connected in what sense? |
| 15:28.43 | Fratyr | jhutchins_wk: sorry, my fail. but still, i've tried without -a and with --owner=apache --group=apache - still nothing. tho this user/group does exists on a remote server |
| 15:28.50 | archo43 | hey i was the guy that was asking about my itunes earlier |
| 15:29.01 | archo43 | it turns out i think i have lost some of my files when i installed debian on my computer |
| 15:29.10 | ChibaPet | Guest63044: In any event, try netatat -a as root. |
| 15:29.34 | archo43 | im unsure how to get them back |
| 15:30.52 | skilz | <skilz> archo43, If you want support, do as petemc said and pastebin the output of fdisk -l ran as root. |
| 15:32.12 | skilz | Im out |
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| 15:33.58 | jhutchins_wk | Fratyr: Two choices I guess, re-check the docs and see how it's supposed to work or just rsync it and chown it. |
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| 15:34.16 | jhutchins_wk | Sometimes "right" is the enemy of "done". |
| 15:34.33 | Fratyr | I was thinking about just chowing it :| |
| 15:35.17 | gnarface | once its in a bash script it makes little difference |
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| 15:50.19 | Asifan | hello |
| 15:50.35 | Asifan | i am using debian, is there an IRC client built in terminal ? |
| 15:50.47 | valdyn | Asifan: no |
| 15:51.06 | jelly | Asifan: you can install and use irssi |
| 15:51.11 | valdyn | Asifan: and you do not understand what aterminal is |
| 15:51.52 | Asifan | no i am not a programmer, i am just trying to setup debian in a way that makes it comfortable and easy to use :) |
| 15:52.08 | jelly | Asifan: or a GUI client with its own interface, like xchat |
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| 15:55.01 | Asifan | ok next difficult quesion |
| 15:55.16 | Asifan | how to install debian on a USB and make it work on a Mac !! |
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| 16:02.54 | PsynoKhi0 | greetings, question regarding kernels taken from backports: when using e.g. the b43 firmware, are there special measures to take following a kernel upgrade? Lappy freezes with wireless on in BIOS since the recent 3.2 upgrade, 2.6.39 is fine though |
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| 16:04.21 | jhutchins_wk | PsynoKhi0: We've been seeing reports that 3.2 is causing problems. |
| 16:04.34 | jhutchins_wk | PsynoKhi0: No, the firmware doesn't care about the kernel version. |
| 16:04.47 | PsynoKhi0 | e.g. Debian 3.2.4-1 no go, but Debian 3.2.1-2 was ok |
| 16:04.54 | PsynoKhi0 | jhutchins, ah ok ty |
| 16:05.01 | jhutchins_wk | PsynoKhi0: If you were using third-party drivers compiled against the old kernel you'd need to rebuild them against the new. |
| 16:05.34 | PsynoKhi0 | jhutchins_wk, nope, plain b43, no STA |
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| 16:06.26 | jhutchins_wk | Does it always freeze? Does the wifi work at all? |
| 16:06.50 | PsynoKhi0 | jhutchins_wk, 2.6.32 gave me the same prob at one point... oh well I can stick to 2.6.39 for now |
| 16:07.29 | PsynoKhi0 | jhutchins_wk, yes, unless disabled in BIOS, hard freeze at GDM, or right before if I'm unlucky |
| 16:08.13 | jhutchins_wk | PsynoKhi0: Strange, shouldn't have anything to do with networking at that point. Are you using network-manager to bring it up or what? |
| 16:09.03 | PsynoKhi0 | jhutchins_wk, ah right, yes indeed I do |
| 16:09.50 | jhutchins_wk | PsynoKhi0: Networking shouldn't be bringing it up until a user logs in then. |
| 16:09.56 | jhutchins_wk | PsynoKhi0: Are you doing auto-login? |
| 16:10.19 | PsynoKhi0 | jhutchins_wk, nope |
| 16:10.25 | lynks | i love this channel, even when i barge in here with a problem that clearly belongs in #dns, someone helps me fix it. thanks again. |
| 16:10.41 | freshly-squeezed | Is there a way to get ryhthm box |
| 16:11.37 | freshly-squeezed | other than installin gnome? |
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| 16:12.08 | ssfdre38 | where can i get libcupsmime.so.1 |
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| 16:13.03 | PsynoKhi0 | jhutchins_wk something scanning networks at boot? |
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| 16:22.46 | jhutchins_wk | PsynoKhi0: I would be tempted to disable network-manager and try bringing the card up manually. |
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| 16:24.58 | ssfdre38 | how can i get the lib of cups |
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| 16:25.57 | PsynoKhi0 | jhutchins_wk thanks, will try that |
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| 16:26.18 | petemc | ssfdre38: libcupsmime1 |
| 16:27.35 | ssfdre38 | petemc, it cant find it |
| 16:28.02 | petemc | ssfdre38: what version of debian are you using? |
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| 16:28.10 | ssfdre38 | 5.0.x |
| 16:28.34 | ssfdre38 | its the only debian that works on the laptop im setting up for our pre-school directory |
| 16:28.40 | ssfdre38 | well only distro |
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| 16:29.32 | colo-work | I find that hard to believe, actually |
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| 16:30.09 | ssfdre38 | ive tried 6.0.3 before and it went to 640x480 and it only took a third of the screen up |
| 16:30.46 | petemc | ssfdre38: debian 5 is no longer supported and will have security issues |
| 16:30.59 | LordBrain | maybe his problems stem from the removed firmware? |
| 16:31.33 | ssfdre38 | i read the EOL of the 5 tree, im just trying to get cups working to get a networked HP printer going |
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| 16:33.29 | colo-work | ssfdre38, what graphics card is in those machines? |
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| 16:34.34 | ssfdre38 | intel but i dont know what mod as it was donated |
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| 16:35.10 | PsynoKhi0 | are console vga codes deprecated? |
| 16:35.42 | zykotick9 | PsynoKhi0: you mean the vga= lines for kernel, yes. but i believe they still work. |
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| 16:36.15 | PsynoKhi0 | ah ok thought so, ty |
| 16:36.22 | PsynoKhi0 | kms all the way now eh? |
| 16:36.31 | colo-work | ssfdre38, probably i810. those are NASTY. |
| 16:36.51 | LordBrain | colo-work, try lspci -nn | grep VGA |
| 16:36.54 | ssfdre38 | maybe cause even the xorg.conf wasnt working to force it to 1042x768 |
| 16:37.06 | colo-work | ssfdre38, have you tried if xrandr works? |
| 16:37.10 | colo-work | (I think it should) |
| 16:37.13 | ssfdre38 | no |
| 16:37.33 | LordBrain | oops |
| 16:37.37 | PsynoKhi0 | I remember having to manually set modlines in xorg.conf for one of these |
| 16:37.42 | LordBrain | sorry colo, i meant that for ssfdre38 |
| 16:37.50 | colo-work | LordBrain, I figured |
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| 16:39.57 | ssfdre38 | colo-work, its saying the lvds unknown connection |
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| 16:40.25 | colo-work | ssfdre38, are we talking lenny or squeeze now? |
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| 16:40.53 | ssfdre38 | well both |
| 16:41.16 | ssfdre38 | im going to try 5.0.4 |
| 16:41.20 | ssfdre38 | 6.0.4* |
| 16:41.21 | colo-work | hm, strange. have you tried Squeeze's backports build of xorg and its drivers? |
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| 16:42.48 | Matiasu | Hello |
| 16:43.04 | ssfdre38 | even the debain 6.0.4 installer is having problems |
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| 16:43.44 | Matiasu | what do I need to have USBnet support? I want to create a connection through a USB cable but it doesn't recognize the usb0 interface. any idea? |
| 16:43.45 | colo-work | ssfdre38, the i8xx line if ICs has a reputation of being a pain in the rear. |
| 16:44.53 | openmike34 | I am using LXDE to access a debian file server over the local network via samba. I can connect and see all the files just fine. When I try to view/edit a file, the correct program launches with an empty file. |
| 16:45.09 | openmike34 | I am able to copy the file over and view/edit it locally, but this is quite troublesome. |
| 16:45.45 | openmike34 | I am having trouble identifying where the problem is, so I am unable to search for a solution. I wanted to see if someone here had any ideas or suggestions? |
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| 16:47.11 | jhutchins_wk | openmike34: What program(s) are you trying to open the file with? OpenOffice will not open a file over a non-mounted smb connection. |
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| 16:47.42 | openmike34 | Well, I have only tested text files and images. |
| 16:47.55 | jhutchins_wk | ssfdre38: The problem with the older Intel graphics chipsets was fixed in squeeze before it was frozen. |
| 16:49.53 | openmike34 | jhutchins_wk, What was the clue that it is a non-mounted smb connection? |
| 16:50.14 | jhutchins_wk | openmike34: Happens to me all the time. |
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| 16:51.05 | jhutchins_wk | openmike34: I haven't figured out why I can't browse the samba network yet, but I'm sure it's just something that's changed since NT4 was current. |
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| 16:52.55 | openmike34 | jhutchins_wk, Yea, I went looking for the mount point with no luck. It is using smb:// in the location, but this certainly sounds like the issue. Thanks for pointing that out- it gives me a starting point :) |
| 16:53.03 | ssfdre38 | guess i will try and update to 6.0.4 |
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| 16:53.45 | jhutchins_wk | openmike34: Set up your own mount point and mount the share from fstab. |
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| 16:54.18 | jhutchins_wk | ssfdre38: Well, maybe confirm that it works with a live CD first or something. |
| 16:54.18 | ssfdre38 | now for some reason i cant upgrade from 5 to 6 |
| 16:54.57 | jhutchins_wk | ssfdre38: The problem was that those chipsets were implemented differently by different manufacturers, and you might have one that didn't get tested. |
| 16:55.28 | ssfdre38 | jhutchins_wk, it doesnt cause its says unknown graphics on LVDS Press space to continued |
| 16:55.31 | openmike34 | jhutchins_wk, I will from now own. Thanks for the reply! |
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| 17:04.36 | project2501a | how do i make a Makefile stop if it finds some error? |
| 17:04.40 | project2501a | loaded question |
| 17:05.35 | mns | make -k if I'm not mistaken. It has been ages since I've had to use make so I'm not sure. |
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| 17:06.01 | movl | make -k keeps on going if it's not a fatal error |
| 17:06.03 | project2501a | this guy put a for loop inside his makefile and it is bouldozering everything |
| 17:06.12 | project2501a | even if its an error |
| 17:06.16 | project2501a | i want to fix tha |
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| 17:07.04 | sammy | I see DVI-0 as an ouput with xrandr on an older laptop. could this be a connection through the docking port? it's not the VGA out, or the laptop monitor (thats LVDS) and its not the svideo. |
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| 17:07.47 | sammy | could it be the composite RCA out? oh hrm. |
| 17:08.01 | mns | sammy: is the laptop on the docking station when you do xrandr ? |
| 17:08.10 | sammy | mns: nope. |
| 17:08.31 | mns | sammy: then its not any port on the docking station :) |
| 17:10.25 | sammy | interesting. that narrows it down :) |
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| 17:12.49 | ssfdre38 | so i fixed it by just jumping from lenny to squeeze distro |
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| 17:23.58 | DarkStar1 | I just instaled Lenny server on a vps. I'm trying to add a user to the sudoers list. I was under the impression that visudo exists in debian |
| 17:25.08 | DarkStar1 | Any ideas what could be wrong? |
| 17:25.11 | zykotick9 | DarkStar1: FYI on a default install you could just add your user to the sudo group, but you should have visudo (are you root?) |
| 17:25.24 | movl | DarkStar1: dpkg -l sudo |
| 17:25.37 | DarkStar1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:25.43 | Asifan | sudo apt-get does;t work in debian? |
| 17:25.48 | zykotick9 | DarkStar1: is sudo installed? |
| 17:26.16 | DarkStar1 | no packages found matching sudop |
| 17:27.41 | DarkStar1 | It wasn't installed apparently. i just tried to get it but it failed with some locale warning |
| 17:28.03 | PsynoKhi0 | jhutchins_wk, I'm off for now, thanks again for the hints |
| 17:28.05 | movl | DarkStar1: pastebin the error |
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| 17:29.23 | DarkStar1 | movl: http://fpaste.org/uX0h/ |
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| 17:30.06 | movl | DarkStar1: where did you get the feeling that it failed? :) |
| 17:30.13 | movl | try visudo now as root |
| 17:30.23 | DarkStar1 | I am root |
| 17:30.30 | movl | visudo, then |
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| 17:30.33 | DarkStar1 | the system just finished installing 10 mins ago :) |
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| 17:30.47 | DarkStar1 | oh |
| 17:30.49 | DarkStar1 | :) |
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| 17:33.20 | zykotick9 | DarkStar1: 2 unrelated comments/questions; 1) why lenny, it's out of security support and 2) is update.onlinehome-server.info an official mirror? |
| 17:34.14 | himuraken | Ive got a HP MicroServer with a lexar 16GB usb key that I just ran a default install of squeeze amd64 onto. Installation goes well, but upon reboot the system will blink the usb key, and then not boot. Verified BIOS and key settings by installing freenas and it boots properly. Suggestions? Google is turning up nothing useful. |
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| 17:34.58 | DarkStar1 | zykotick9: it was either that or ubuntu10.04 from my service provider |
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| 17:35.39 | daemonkeeper | You should be able to do a dist-upgrade |
| 17:35.43 | DarkStar1 | I couldn't deal with the CentOS anymore |
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| 17:37.34 | DarkStar1 | daemonkeeper: how? |
| 17:37.53 | daemonkeeper | DarkStar1: Do you know the virtualization technology your ISP uses? |
| 17:37.55 | zykotick9 | DarkStar1: "/msg dpkg lenny->squeeze" |
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| 17:38.59 | DarkStar1 | daemonkeeper: i think it's Parallels but I didn't get the package |
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| 17:39.37 | em | wow im actually here. |
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| 17:39.55 | simonlnu | yes you are |
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| 17:41.13 | daemonkeeper | DarkStar1: I /think/ Parallels uses machine emulation, thus you should be able to do a simple dist-upgrade. Do you have a kernel installed on your system? |
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| 17:45.56 | Moises_ | Can someone help me with this error |
| 17:45.58 | Moises_ | root@debian:/home/moises/Temporario# ./jdk-7u2-nb-7_1-linux-ml.sh |
| 17:45.58 | Moises_ | Configurando o instalador ... |
| 17:45.58 | Moises_ | Procurando por um JVM no sistema... |
| 17:45.58 | Moises_ | Preparando JVM embutida... |
| 17:45.58 | Moises_ | Extraindo dados para instalação... |
| 17:45.59 | Moises_ | Executando o assistente do instalador... |
| 17:46.01 | Moises_ | No protocol specified |
| 17:46.05 | Moises_ | Exception: java.lang.NullPointerException thrown from the UncaughtExceptionHandler in thread "main" |
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| 17:47.00 | daemonkeeper | a) use English locales when pasting error messages b) paste to a pastebin c) this seems to be an application problem. |
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| 17:47.29 | simonlnu | looks like he's trying to install jdk 1.7 from oracle |
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| 17:49.10 | simonlnu | Moises_: it's probably trying to run a gui window, and couldn't because you're running it as root. the "No protocol specified" and the root prompt tell me that. |
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| 17:50.05 | lynks | is it possible to view the progress of a running tar process? |
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| 17:50.47 | simonlnu | beardy_: gravity_: you folks grew a tail |
| 17:50.54 | lynks | given that i dont know how large the final .tar is likely to be |
| 17:51.36 | simonlnu | there's some util you can pipe through to spit out a progress meter |
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| 17:51.45 | simonlnu | yes cli |
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| 17:52.06 | lynks | simonlnu: but not if i have already started the tar running? |
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| 17:52.58 | bleubleu_ | When the Squeeze release will be unsupported? |
| 17:53.04 | simonlnu | lynks: called pv. no. you can do watch -d ls -l remotely / at the source in the mean time |
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| 17:53.34 | lynks | simonlnu: great, thanks |
| 17:53.35 | simonlnu | bleubleu_: about 1.5 to 2 years after wheezy releases. it hasn't released yet. |
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| 17:53.46 | themill | bleubleu_: probably in around 2 years' time, but that's not decided yet. ("supported for 12 months from the next release" is what will most likely happen) |
| 17:53.56 | bleubleu_ | oh god yeah |
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| 17:54.04 | bleubleu_ | i don`t want to use GTK3 with Gnome 3 |
| 17:54.08 | bleubleu_ | i fucking hate both |
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| 17:54.26 | themill | bleubleu_: do feel free to report bugs, attach patches and make it better. |
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| 17:54.38 | bleubleu_ | thanks themill |
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| 17:54.40 | bleubleu_ | and simonlnu |
| 17:54.45 | bleubleu_ | have a nice day sirs |
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| 17:54.46 | somiaj | simonlnu: that long, I thought oldstable was only a 1 year support, or is that changing? |
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| 17:56.01 | simonlnu | somiaj: it works out that way |
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| 18:13.59 | willwh | hi folks - I have a friend who is using grsec - which I have no experience with, trying to monitor this box via snmp |
| 18:14.13 | willwh | syslog full of lots of, snmp can't read from /proc/net/* |
| 18:14.27 | willwh | I've googled a bit - but not really terribly useful info |
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| 18:14.35 | willwh | Anyone have any experience here? |
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| 18:18.32 | Agiofws | hey anyone using icedove... ? |
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| 18:20.04 | somiaj | Agiofws: why not ask your real question. Cause I bet the answer that 'no one has ever or will ever use that program' just seems silly, so the only other naswer is 'yes' |
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| 18:22.11 | Agiofws | ok would like someone to tell me a way of how to send and email to many precipitants with to: and CC: with out me changing the settings all the time to all my precipitants... |
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| 18:23.06 | somiaj | what do you mean, just but the list of people you want and either to/CC or BCC them |
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| 18:23.36 | morphje | Agiofws, could you eleborate more ? |
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| 18:26.11 | Agiofws | ok i would like to send an email to many precipitants with the first one as To: and all the others with CC: <---- i'd like to save this type of list so i won't have to edit its Settings all the time ... morphje somiaj |
| 18:26.15 | themill | Agiofws: Address book -> File -> New -> Mailing list |
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| 18:26.53 | edju | running testing. lost my optical drive - no /dev/sr0. tried to run /lib/udev/write_cd_rules, but got "Missing $DEVPATH". is that the right thing to do, and if so, how to correct the error msg? |
| 18:27.35 | morphje | Agiofws: what themill said ;) however, please use BCC, nothing as anoying as receiving e-mail with many cc'ed contacts |
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| 18:28.21 | somiaj | edju: check dmesg and see why your kernel isn't seeing your drive. |
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| 18:28.51 | Agiofws | themill, if i go to Address book -> File -> New -> Mailing list and select the recipients and then do right click select write all the recipients are set AS TO: and not CC ... themill ? |
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| 18:30.37 | themill | Agiofws: the entire list is added as one entity. You can change that to a Cc with one click. |
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| 18:31.16 | themill | or add the list from the contact side bar... clicking on "Add to Cc" adds the list to the Cc field. |
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| 18:31.24 | Agiofws | themill, ok screen shot |
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| 18:32.30 | edju | somiaj, OK, I give up. what do I look for? |
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| 18:33.17 | Agiofws | http://imagebin.org/198919 |
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| 18:33.29 | somiaj | edju: do you have a sata or ide cdrom drive, look for if the controler detects it. |
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| 18:33.44 | Agiofws | ok how do i change all those with one click ? |
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| 18:34.06 | themill | Agiofws: but that's not what icedove does when you make a list and add then write to the list |
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| 18:34.26 | Agiofws | ok i go to adress book and it has a list of emails right ? |
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| 18:34.34 | Agiofws | then what do i do ? |
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| 18:34.51 | themill | Agiofws: that's what it does when you select each individual recipient and then click on write. (and if you're going to click on each individual recipient, then use the Add to Cc button) |
| 18:35.51 | Agiofws | BCC is used to hide multiple recipients email addresses ? |
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| 18:36.38 | morphje | bcc stands for blind carbon copy, short answer: yes |
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| 18:37.08 | Agiofws | ok is there a Add to BCC button themill ? |
| 18:37.49 | themill | sure. Right next to the "Add to To" and the "Add to Cc" buttons in the contacts sidebar. |
| 18:38.01 | themill | wonders why he knows this when he doesn't even use icedove |
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| 18:38.35 | Agiofws | http://imagebin.org/198921 |
| 18:38.47 | Agiofws | ? |
| 18:38.52 | themill | contacts sidebar. |
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| 18:39.53 | Agiofws | where ? |
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| 18:49.02 | somiaj | so if you use a usb-hdd debian-live image, it actually writes a partition table so you can make another patition on the end of the usb stick and put a file system on it. This works fine in debian and i'm assuming other linux distros, but windows fails to actually mount that other partition (despite it sees it). Is this due to windows doesn't like multiple partitions on usb thumb drives? |
| 18:49.41 | Bogus8 | Is there any good way or test that I can run and maybe log to find an intermitten network issue? |
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| 18:49.53 | Bogus8 | I've got to narrow down if it's the switch or the server |
| 18:50.03 | Bogus8 | it only happens when I'm not here it seems |
| 18:50.17 | petemc | Bogus8: check dmesg/syslog/messages |
| 18:50.29 | Bogus8 | And as far as I can see the logs don't show anything unusual unless I don't know which logs to look at but I looked at a bunch ;) |
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| 18:50.52 | Bogus8 | petemc: checked those logs, nothing stands out |
| 18:51.07 | petemc | Bogus8: you dont see anything about the link up/down ? |
| 18:52.05 | Bogus8 | Nope... let me triple check though |
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| 18:53.44 | Bogus8 | petemc: how can I check the time that an event happened on dmesg? |
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| 18:54.58 | petemc | Bogus8: dont know off the top of my head, try google |
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| 18:55.46 | Bogus8 | petemc: well, I have a eth1 up but the log was last touched (as shown by an ls -l command) at a time prior to the problem |
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| 18:57.51 | Agiofws | themill, if i go to Address book -> File -> New -> Mailing list and select the recipients and then do right click select write all the recipients are set AS TO: and not Bcc ... |
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| 18:58.23 | Bogus8 | petemc: if what I found is correct (kern.log is the same as dmesg but with timestamps) then the only eth* activity I'm finding is from yesterday and they had a problem 2-3 hours ago |
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| 18:59.36 | fabio | how to create a web proxy? |
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| 18:59.48 | Guest16221 | hi |
| 18:59.59 | Guest16221 | i have just installed an Zarafa mail server on debian 6 |
| 19:00.14 | Guest16221 | the problem is that i cant mail from, example a hotmail account to my mail server |
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| 19:00.20 | Guest16221 | but to mail out is no problem |
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| 19:00.36 | Guest16221 | i have opened port 143 and i can confirm with telnet that it listens on it |
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| 19:01.05 | simonlnu | smtp works on port 25 |
| 19:01.12 | Guest16221 | simonlnu: i know, |
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| 19:01.18 | Guest16221 | simonlnu: the problem is for incoming mail |
| 19:01.26 | fengor | which is port 25 as well |
| 19:01.29 | Guest16221 | therefore i opened port 143 for imap connection. |
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| 19:01.34 | simonlnu | so obviously something is either not listening there, or is being blocked |
| 19:01.43 | fengor | proably your mailserver rejects the domain because he doesnt feel responsibvle for it |
| 19:01.52 | fengor | go check your mailservers logfiles |
| 19:01.56 | Guest16221 | simonlnu: oh, okay so i need to open port 25 for incomin also ? |
| 19:02.15 | morphje | port 25 IS coming mail |
| 19:02.25 | Guest16221 | ok, my bad. sorry |
| 19:02.26 | fengor | if there arent any incoming rejected mails in the logs i'd check the mx records and see if the mx entry for your domain really points to your mailserver |
| 19:02.38 | Guest16221 | sorry my bad. |
| 19:02.41 | simonlnu | the smtpd will listen on port 25, and 465 if you configure it that way. that's the older smtp-ssl (smtps) port; |
| 19:02.50 | Guest16221 | thought it was 143 for incoming IMAP and 25 for outgoing on SMTP |
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| 19:03.04 | simonlnu | it also need to be listening on an internet accessible ip |
| 19:03.10 | simonlnu | no |
| 19:03.15 | somiaj | 143 is the port that imap clients will connect to the imap server (this is for the end user to get email, not for the mailserver to send/recive mail) |
| 19:03.17 | morphje | 143 is for imap, which is fetching localy stored e-mail that has reached it's endpoint |
| 19:03.25 | simonlnu | yup |
| 19:03.31 | Guest16221 | oh ok, now i get it |
| 19:03.38 | Guest16221 | so 143 is for like people using thunderbird etc |
| 19:03.43 | simonlnu | yes |
| 19:03.48 | Guest16221 | great, thanks |
| 19:03.56 | morphje | outlook/android/iphone/etc :D |
| 19:04.00 | Guest16221 | :) |
| 19:04.21 | simonlnu | do getent services smtp for fun |
| 19:04.24 | morphje | smtp is for sending and receiving e-mail |
| 19:04.31 | fabio | how to create a web proxy? |
| 19:04.35 | morphje | from mailserver to mailserver |
| 19:04.44 | Guest16221 | morphje: thanks for the help |
| 19:05.14 | simonlnu | the mta then delivers to the mda, which is where imap comes in (though the definition for mda is a little fluid) |
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| 19:05.46 | Guest16221 | yeah |
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| 19:05.52 | morphje | haha, yes, throw in some more ancronyms :) |
| 19:05.56 | simonlnu | hehe |
| 19:06.09 | Guest16221 | simonlnu: =) first time configuring postfix and zarafa hehe |
| 19:06.15 | simonlnu | aah |
| 19:06.20 | dclarke | I am searching for the xorg.conf file and can not find it in any of the standard locations .. where is it hidden please ? |
| 19:06.24 | simonlnu | i remember those days |
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| 19:06.28 | Guest16221 | zarafa is quite good |
| 19:06.32 | Guest16221 | like it alot |
| 19:06.37 | Guest16221 | nice web front end |
| 19:06.37 | simonlnu | dclarke: it's not created by default any more. |
| 19:06.46 | dclarke | face palms |
| 19:06.54 | simonlnu | dclarke: you can if you want, by doing X -configure |
| 19:07.00 | dclarke | simonlnu, really ? huh .. okay .. thats odd |
| 19:07.17 | dclarke | well thank you .. I do need it because I have dual graphics cards |
| 19:07.19 | morphje | Guest16221: best of whishes with that ;) setting it up for the first time can be daunting, but doable if you go at it step by step |
| 19:07.22 | simonlnu | it's the Xorg autoconf feature. it mostly works |
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| 19:07.50 | dclarke | yeah .. I have been reading the man page lots : http://v440.adbs.ca/debian_6.0.4/xorg.conf_man.txt |
| 19:07.52 | simonlnu | i have one because i like to tweak |
| 19:08.01 | crankharder | could someone pastebin what the default /etc/apt/sources.list is from a clean install? I overwrote mine, dont really want to do a fresh install |
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| 19:08.15 | simonlnu | !squeeze sources.list |
| 19:08.16 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://cdn.debian.net/debian/ squeeze main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main". Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <squeeze updates> <squeeze security> and "man sources.list". |
| 19:08.34 | Guest16221 | morphje: :) |
| 19:08.43 | crankharder | simonlnu: are those the all the default lines? |
| 19:09.06 | simonlnu | you can add ' contrib non-free' if you want after 'main' |
| 19:09.10 | themill | crankharder: there is no such thing as a default sources.list. |
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| 19:09.30 | Guest16221 | morphje: alright now port 25 is open for incoming |
| 19:09.32 | simonlnu | but to actually answer you, no, there isn't one |
| 19:09.33 | Guest16221 | and outgoing |
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| 19:09.49 | crankharder | themill: there are default options during the install, right? |
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| 19:10.23 | themill | crankharder: no |
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| 19:11.47 | simonlnu | crankharder: the installer offers a choice of mirrors, and whether or not to include non-free and contrib, and strongly recommends security updates. |
| 19:11.48 | morphje | Guest16221: good, just give it an hour, perhaps dump some e-mail adresses somewhere and just wait for the mail to start pouring in |
| 19:11.59 | Guest16221 | morphje: hmm |
| 19:12.01 | Guest16221 | still nothing |
| 19:12.07 | Guest16221 | maybe it's something with postfix? |
| 19:12.21 | simonlnu | might want to tcpdump your port 25 |
| 19:12.25 | morphje | perhaps the logs could provide you with some more insight ? |
| 19:13.22 | Guest16221 | yea trying to find something usefull in Zarafa logs |
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| 19:15.12 | morphje | Guest16221: first of all, would you be so kind as to change your nick to something tabbable, second, zarafa is your imap server. postfix is your smtp server (isn't it?) |
| 19:15.28 | morphje | yay |
| 19:15.30 | John123 | morphje: ok, |
| 19:15.49 | John123 | morphje: yeah exactly |
| 19:16.22 | Bogus8 | Still need a way to test for intermitten network issues. Trying to narrow down if it's server hardware or network hardware (doubt it's server software). All the logs come up cean from what I can tell. |
| 19:16.26 | morphje | John123,:then look into the postfix logs, and not zarafa. I can image you not finding usefull information |
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| 19:17.40 | archo43 | hi luckman212 |
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| 19:17.54 | archo43 | im curious, why did they name the distro debian? |
| 19:18.10 | simonlnu | 2 first names |
| 19:18.25 | lcafiero_zareaso | deb(bie) was ian murdock's fiancee/wife (or something) |
| 19:18.35 | lcafiero_zareaso | deb+ian = debian |
| 19:18.43 | simonlnu | debra + ian |
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| 19:19.09 | lcafiero_zareaso | Finally, a question I can answer :-) |
| 19:19.20 | simonlnu | that's why i say it deb-EE-in |
| 19:19.23 | jhutchins_wk | Bogus8: What kind of issues? |
| 19:19.24 | fabio | how to create a web proxy? |
| 19:19.45 | CissWit | fabio: what do you mean ? |
| 19:20.08 | fabio | CissWit, use an server to acess internet? |
| 19:20.23 | rmacd | fabio: Use one, or set one up? |
| 19:20.34 | simonlnu | fabio: install one and configure it. make sure it isn't an open proxy and you should be safe from spammers. |
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| 19:20.41 | CissWit | fabio: look at squid |
| 19:20.52 | fabio | CissWit, yeh i cant use it |
| 19:21.01 | fabio | CissWit, i did aptitude install squid |
| 19:21.25 | simonlnu | well, actually i don't accent the ee that much, it's more subtle the way i say it |
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| 19:22.12 | rmacd | fabio: Squid will, by default, only listen to localhost - so if you've installed on a remote system you'll need to either ssh -L or set up ACLs |
| 19:22.52 | fabio | rmacd, can you explain me? |
| 19:23.01 | fabio | rmacd, im running apache |
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| 19:23.10 | simonlnu | apache is not squid |
| 19:23.11 | rmacd | fabio: Apache's got nothing to do with it. |
| 19:23.25 | simonlnu | !squid |
| 19:23.25 | dpkg | Squid is a caching web proxy supporting HTTP/S, FTP and others. Debian's squid packages do not have SSL enabled (Debian bug #180886), ask about <package rebuild> and supply "--enable-ssl" for this. See also <squid deb caching>, <transparent proxy>. /usr/share/doc/squid{,3}/* http://wiki.squid-cache.org/SquidFaq http://squid-cache.org/ #squid on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 19:23.35 | simonlnu | omg |
| 19:24.02 | simonlnu | probably needs a bit of updating |
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| 19:24.09 | fabio | rmacd, ok i have ssh server |
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| 19:25.16 | rmacd | fabio: Ok - so, if you've installed Squid (at least, you're on D6.0 right?) it'll be listening on localhost:3128. All you gotta do is SSH into it, forward your port and start using squid. |
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| 19:25.47 | fabio | rmacd how to see if are running? |
| 19:25.55 | Bogus8 | jhutchins_wk: they use some network software that runs on a samba share, it's dropping off. They call me and until today I've been able to get into the server with SSH and it all looks fine. I had problems today. But as soon as I get here the problems go away and everything pings wonderfully blah blah blah |
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| 19:26.09 | rmacd | fabio: something like `ssh user@host -L 8080:127.0.0.1:3128 -C`, then set your local computer to use localhost:8080 as its proxy. |
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| 19:27.01 | simonlnu | network software that runs on a samba share? |
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| 19:28.10 | simonlnu | crap, missed |
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| 19:37.33 | archo43 | D Boy? |
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| 19:37.54 | simonlnu | the dude who keeps joining and quitting with excess flood |
| 19:38.07 | simonlnu | thank you LoRez |
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| 19:41.13 | johnfg | hi folks |
| 19:41.55 | archo43 | hi johnfg |
| 19:41.58 | johnfg | I seem not to be able to get exim4 configured to work for mail that is not local. |
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| 19:42.21 | johnfg | Is there any problem with my removing all of exim4 and trying something else for my MTA? |
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| 19:43.27 | johnfg | I've read the docs debian has (running squeeze), and googled all I can find but am just not getting how to get addresses routed properly. |
| 19:43.42 | johnfg | dpkg alone definitely doesn't do the job. |
| 19:43.43 | dpkg | bugger all, i dunno, johnfg |
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| 19:44.09 | johnfg | dpkg exim4 |
| 19:44.10 | dpkg | Exim 4 is the default <MTA> in Debian since sarge. The Debian package has a debconf-driven configuration which greatly eases configuration for most run-of-the-mill applications. E-Mail is a complicated matter, so it might be necessary to read a lot of documentation to allow more advanced features. exim4 is very powerful and flexible. Find more about Debian's exim4 on http://pkg-exim4.alioth.debian.org/ |
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| 19:44.16 | dondelelcaro | johnfg: you can use postfix, sendmail, or exim if you want |
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| 19:45.20 | johnfg | dondelelcaro, what's your MTA of choice? |
| 19:46.11 | dondelelcaro | johnfg: I use postfix, sendmail, and I have some exim installs |
| 19:46.18 | dondelelcaro | johnfg: if you're asking, you should probably use postfix |
| 19:46.36 | dondelelcaro | (but if you need to do something complicated, exim is generally the best) |
| 19:47.21 | simonlnu | i second that |
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| 19:48.57 | johnfg | OK, I'm just looking at /usr/share/doc/exim4-base/spec.txt, which i had *not* read before, so maybe this will get me over the learning hump. |
| 19:49.15 | simonlnu | exim's docs are very thorough |
| 19:49.30 | daemonkeeper | Not to say, you can't do the same things in Postfix. |
| 19:49.38 | johnfg | This all came about, btw, because php mail wasn't being sent. |
| 19:49.42 | simonlnu | might want to have exim4-doc-something installed |
| 19:49.44 | daemonkeeper | (or in sendmail if you are a masochist) |
| 19:49.52 | simonlnu | heh heh |
| 19:50.33 | johnfg | simonlnu, I did see that that pkg was available. In the basic docs, there's very little about the routers and I'm pretty sure that's what I'm missing. |
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| 19:51.11 | johnfg | don't know why that isn't handled or referred to or recommended by dpkg-reconfigure exim4-conf. |
| 19:51.39 | dondelelcaro | daemonkeeper: you can, but it often requires writing a milter |
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| 19:51.59 | telmich | good evening |
| 19:52.13 | daemonkeeper | dondelelcaro: Agreed. I personally would use Postfix anyway, YMMV. |
| 19:52.25 | telmich | why do I get 'insserv: warning: current start runlevel(s) (3 4 5) of script `postfix' overwrites defaults (2 3 4 5).' when issuing update-rc.d postfix defaults? |
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| 19:52.41 | mah454 | How can enable fingerprint on debian ? (Laptop Dell Vostro 3350) |
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| 19:53.20 | johnfg | dondelelcaro, Have you got a custom config of exim4 on your debian machines or do you use the exim4.conf? |
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| 19:53.45 | mah454 | How can enable fingerprint on debian ? (Laptop Dell Vostro 3350) |
| 19:54.16 | johnfg | And...do you folks use the one file or the split versions of config? |
| 19:54.37 | archo43 | http://wiki.debian.org/FingerForce |
| 19:54.41 | telmich | I'm trying to find a standard way on debian to enable a service at boot for use in cdist (as seen on https://github.com/telmich/cdist/tree/feature_init_process file conf/type/__start_on_boot/gencode-remote |
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| 19:55.08 | telmich | but strangely the defaults comand seems not to setup the defaults |
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| 19:56.20 | dondelelcaro | johnfg: there's a heavily customized version, actually, and it uses split configurations |
| 19:56.31 | dondelelcaro | johnfg: but I'm not actually totally responsible for that; it's what runs on debian.org |
| 19:56.46 | dondelelcaro | (in fact, I'm basically not responsible for it at all) |
| 19:56.59 | dondelelcaro | sgran does almost everything on it |
| 19:57.16 | johnfg | dondelelcaro, Have you done a config of exim yourself? |
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| 19:59.18 | johnfg | Maybe I should go with the split, and then the routers will be in a separate directory under conf.d and maybe I'll understand better what to do. |
| 20:00.20 | simonlnu | i did my own splitting. instead of tiny files, a bit larger files, split by major section in the main conf, mostly |
| 20:01.04 | daemonkeeper | _hates_ splitted configuration files. |
| 20:01.15 | johnfg | simonlnu, Do you remember how you learned what to do with the routers? I.e., from the remarks therein or from some other docs? |
| 20:01.40 | simonlnu | i do too usually, but if the file gets too big to navigate easily, i split it up |
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| 20:02.24 | simonlnu | google, the docs. the former, mostly marc merlin's lists and the exim lists |
| 20:02.25 | dondelelcaro | johnfg: yes, but not particularly complicated |
| 20:02.26 | daemonkeeper | There are cases where it makes sense, but in many cases it only hakes it hard to understand a particular file. |
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| 20:03.14 | dondelelcaro | johnfg: but see http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=mirror/dsa-puppet.git;a=tree;f=modules/exim/files/common;h=339e8429fd726df33e4925b02e81739cd18e94e0;hb=HEAD et all if you want the details |
| 20:03.54 | dondelelcaro | daemonkeeper: actually, splitting configuration files (when done sanely) is a good idea |
| 20:04.11 | dondelelcaro | daemonkeeper: esp. when you are maintaining multiple machines with slightly different configurations |
| 20:04.38 | simonlnu | for sure |
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| 20:05.57 | johnfg | This is weird! I just ran dpkg-reconfigure exim4.conf, but chose the split files, and now, at least from this system, it's working! |
| 20:06.17 | simonlnu | well that's cool |
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| 20:07.54 | daemonkeeper | dondelelcaro: It also makes sense for Debian as a distribution (think of Apache and various packages putting stuff into /etc/apache2), but personally I don't like that. For the use case you mentioned I can see how it makes sense, too - although I think that's not too often required. |
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| 20:09.30 | telmich | regarding the update-rc.d issue, it seems the message is totally weired: the script itself defines 2 3 4 5, not 3 4 5 as the message implies |
| 20:10.10 | johnfg | Cool but weird! Thanks for all the help & suggestions. Happy Valentine's Day! |
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| 20:10.33 | jhutchins_wk | 2 is a special level in other distributions. |
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| 20:10.46 | jhutchins_wk | Multi-user no-networking no-X I think. |
| 20:11.00 | simonlnu | telmich: missing symlink in rc2.d i think |
| 20:11.22 | telmich | simonlnu: right, it is missing since i issued the update-rc.d command |
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| 20:11.41 | dondelelcaro | daemonkeeper: dunno, for apache2, I find it particularly useful, because it enables you to trivially flip on and off modules, enable and disable sites, and migrate sites |
| 20:11.47 | simonlnu | from before even, i bet |
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| 20:12.31 | dondelelcaro | but then, I've been using split configuration files for apache configuration even before Debian split them. |
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| 20:15.28 | daemonkeeper | dondelelcaro: Personally I'm annoyed by /etc/apache2/ports.conf and so on. I use mods|sites-enabled, too. |
| 20:15.33 | jhutchins_wk | Migrating a whole server that had a monolithic configuration and multiple sites is a pain though. |
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| 20:16.16 | canis_ | is this the place to ask about dpkg? |
| 20:16.21 | simonlnu | you do it what, once per host? and that, you can likely copy most of the main stuff. |
| 20:16.54 | dondelelcaro | canis_: if it's dpkg on Debian, yes. If not, no. |
| 20:17.19 | canis_ | :( |
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| 20:19.15 | dondelelcaro | canis_: you're best off asking in your distribution's channel then |
| 20:19.37 | canis_ | Those guys are schizzed out. I'm on mint. |
| 20:19.48 | canis_ | I'll keep trying though. |
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| 20:20.28 | archo43 | whats mint? |
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| 20:21.39 | canis_ | mint is beautiful...but when it breaks.....:((((( |
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| 20:24.46 | joar | so, I have a BEEP signal running occasionally (triggered by emacs, terminal, etc.) |
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| 20:25.00 | joar | I am getting *really* sick of it, but I can't seem to turn it off. |
| 20:25.15 | bobweaver | canis_: there is a #mint channel ? |
| 20:25.16 | joar | I'm running pulseaudio, I believe. |
| 20:25.35 | simonlnu | pull the virtual plug, modprobe -r pcspkr |
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| 20:26.41 | simonlnu | or, turn beep down to 0 iin alsamixer/pulseaudio |
| 20:27.02 | simonlnu | there's ways to disable audio beep in shell and emacs |
| 20:27.17 | simonlnu | i like to switch it off, but turn visual on |
| 20:27.19 | joar | simonlnu: No success. |
| 20:27.39 | simonlnu | WorksForMe *shrug* |
| 20:28.32 | archo43 | whats a virtual machine? |
| 20:28.44 | joar | archo43: tried searching? |
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| 20:29.21 | canis_ | All of the mint channels on freenode are desserted. They have their own channel, but I have no i dea what i need to do to get a question answerred. |
| 20:29.23 | joar | simonlnu: When you say alsamixer/pulseaudio, do you mean alsamixer -> pulseaudio or alsamixer OR pulseaudio? |
| 20:29.33 | canis_ | They have their own server I meant. |
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| 20:29.42 | simonlnu | or. you can try both if you like |
| 20:30.15 | jhutchins_wk | !mint |
| 20:30.15 | dpkg | Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at http://forums.linuxmint.com/ or join #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org for support. Linux Mint is variously based on <Ubuntu> with a "Linux Mint Debian Edition" (LMDE) also available, based on <testing>. See also <based on debian>, <mintppc>. |
| 20:30.23 | joar | simonlnu: It's muted in alsamixer, shut off in gnome settings, do you know where the setting is for pulseaudio? |
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| 20:30.54 | simonlnu | pactl or paman |
| 20:31.15 | joar | none installed it seems |
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| 20:31.26 | canis_ | got you |
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| 20:31.51 | joar | installing paman! |
| 20:31.59 | Mortvert | Hi. |
| 20:32.12 | jelly-home | pavucontrol! |
| 20:32.16 | joar | I really hope this helps, otherwise i will friggin *restart* :) |
| 20:32.28 | joar | pavucontrol? |
| 20:32.33 | jelly-home | ,versions pavucontrol |
| 20:32.33 | Mortvert | Any idea if i can get debian base install (no X'es, stuff.) down to 100 megs with extensive aptitude abuse? |
| 20:32.34 | judd | Package: pavucontrol on i386 -- lenny: 0.9.6+svn20080426-1; squeeze: 0.9.9-1; sid: 0.99.2-1; wheezy: 0.99.2-1 |
| 20:32.40 | jelly-home | joar: yes. |
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| 20:33.17 | simonlnu | ,i pavucontrol |
| 20:33.18 | judd | Package pavucontrol (sound, optional) in squeeze/i386: PulseAudio Volume Control. Version: 0.9.9-1; Size: 125.8k; Installed: 952k; Homepage: http://0pointer.de/lennart/projects/pavucontrol/; Screenshot: http://screenshots.debian.net/package/pavucontrol |
| 20:33.30 | innociv | What should I use to see that machines network is being attacked? |
| 20:33.30 | simonlnu | yeh, that, my bad |
| 20:33.57 | jelly-home | but that beep might be coming via the system beep, which is not managed by alsa or PA |
| 20:34.11 | jelly-home | but that pcspkr thing you already talked about |
| 20:36.02 | innociv | Yeah um. Someone is attacking my machine making it use 100mps of inbound bandwidth. How do I figure out what I need to do to stop that? |
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| 20:37.43 | dmbaturin | innociv: Find out attacker's address with tcpdump or tshark, blackhole the address. Or contact your transit provider and tell them that address. |
| 20:37.51 | joar | jelly-home: It *sounds* like a system beep, and it is not affected by the master volume. |
| 20:38.07 | joar | so, it's probably system beep then. |
| 20:38.09 | dmbaturin | innociv: The alternative is to use snort or another IPS. |
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| 20:38.56 | Bartzy | Hi |
| 20:39.08 | Bartzy | no restart to cron is needed when adding/editing a file in /etc/cron.d right ? |
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| 20:40.23 | joar | jelly-home: simonlnu: I'll try a reboot, thank you both for your help though. I appreciate it. |
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| 20:40.59 | fabio | hi |
| 20:41.25 | morphje | ih (reversed) |
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| 20:42.29 | innociv | How would I actually use tcpdump? And I guess i have to run it as it's being attacked? |
| 20:42.50 | fabiobik | hi |
| 20:42.55 | fabiobik | im trying to install squid |
| 20:43.11 | fabiobik | root@CrazyBasterds:~# apt-get install squid |
| 20:43.11 | fabiobik | Reading package lists... Error! |
| 20:43.11 | fabiobik | W: Encountered status field in a non-version description |
| 20:43.11 | fabiobik | E: Malformed 1st word in the Status line |
| 20:43.11 | fabiobik | E: Error occurred while processing debian-faq (UsePackage3) |
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| 20:43.41 | bluebeard | I hit Harry's dick with all of my force, smacking it out of Laura's mouth with a pop, leaving her with a stupid surprised look, just in time to get a spray of jizz right in her face before the dick followed me, spraying against the wall, then the ceiling, then just full on ahead. I was laying in a puddle of the sticky stuff, Laura perpendicular to me, Harry next to both of us. I looked to my right, saw one gigantic testicle, and barely realized it was ... |
| 20:43.47 | bluebeard | ... creeping towards me before I backed away into a corner. |
| 20:43.49 | innociv | dmbaturin, ssh is too slow for me to even run any commands when it's being DoS'd. |
| 20:43.50 | bluebeard | Harry's dick was still going crazy, spraying everywhere. I got more than one faceful, my whole body covered in it, and I saw that Laura was slick with it, too. But we both watched in awe as his cock and balls began growing before our eyes. They swelled up and up, redirecting the spray of his dick as it, too, grew thicker and longer. Longer and thicker than any joke penis I've ever seen. The veins roping around it were like pythons as it reached higher ... |
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| 20:45.21 | John123 | are you still there |
| 20:45.29 | John123 | the guy who helped me whit the Mail server |
| 20:45.33 | morphje | euhmmm |
| 20:45.43 | John123 | morphje: :) |
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| 20:46.59 | archo43 | urgh my eyes! |
| 20:47.08 | innociv | dmbaturin, does this look like the attacker? http://pastebin.com/Ya2kvi3L I have those two IPs repeated a lot, same looking packet. 199.168.136.84 and 173.0.129.61 |
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| 20:48.14 | archo43 | are there any good dos tools for debian> |
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| 20:48.51 | dmbaturin | innociv: Might be, this doesn't look like legitimate traffic. |
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| 20:49.16 | innociv | With my limited knowledge, I thought so too. They also aren't in my list of registered users ips. |
| 20:49.24 | tonytraductor | hi |
| 20:49.27 | innociv | Okay I'll try and block them on firewall. Going so slow |
| 20:49.43 | beardy | archo43: mtools, dosfstools, dosbox, dosemu, depends on what you are looking for really. |
| 20:50.31 | dmbaturin | archo43: I'd go for well known DoS tools manufacturers. Like IXIA or Spirent. |
| 20:50.43 | archo43 | someone told me hackers can use dos on debian to take down sites? id like to uhm, test my own website |
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| 20:51.07 | twobitsprite | denial of service, not disk operating system? :P |
| 20:51.37 | dmbaturin | archo43: Try jMeter, it's an excellent HTTP (and some other protocols) stress testing tool. |
| 20:51.45 | archo43 | kl |
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| 20:51.58 | lstarnes | archo43: you can do that with any OS |
| 20:52.38 | archo43 | oh |
| 20:52.48 | archo43 | how do you generally go about doin it ? |
| 20:53.03 | lstarnes | if you have to ask, then you wouldn't understand |
| 20:53.18 | archo43 | oh |
| 20:53.26 | innociv | What's the command to log in as root, again? |
| 20:53.27 | lstarnes | if you want to test your own system, there is penetration testing stuff |
| 20:53.30 | technologov | hi ! Is there software rendering in Mesa3D with all OpenGL extensions ? |
| 20:53.33 | Timmy_ | i need a similar application to autocad, what can i use? |
| 20:53.39 | lstarnes | innociv: su - or sudo -i |
| 20:53.47 | innociv | Ah i kept trying sudo - |
| 20:53.55 | twobitsprite | !tell Timmy_ about cad |
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| 20:57.46 | innociv | Erm I added "-A INPUT -s 173.0.129.61 -j DROP" to IP tables and I still see traffic from that IP in iptables? |
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| 20:58.57 | ElDiabolo | How do I use gdb with debian *-dbg packages ? |
| 20:59.04 | jhutchins_wk | I really wish the qt3-4 transition had been handled better. |
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| 20:59.10 | ElDiabolo | apache2-dbg in my case? |
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| 20:59.41 | goldrake | ciao |
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| 21:03.25 | ElDiabolo | Uh, sorry, seems to work automagically, just had the wrong executable. |
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| 21:04.53 | Mephisto | hi |
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| 21:06.01 | archo43 | hi Mephisto |
| 21:06.31 | Mephisto | i've installed java 7 on squeeze, applets now work much better without CPU overloads and other stuff as in case of openjdk + icedtea or old java 6.26 in debian repos. I always had probs with either CPU or sound using those. BUT.... now Chrome for some reason says that i'm using old java... how come?! Of course, i've forced it to allow old plugins always, but i just wonder why it says such a thing? |
| 21:06.34 | Mephisto | hey archo43 |
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| 21:07.08 | Mephisto | other browsers act normal. |
| 21:07.16 | Mephisto | Iceweasel, Opera .. all fine. |
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| 21:08.08 | joar | simonlnu: jelly-home: Reboot did it. |
| 21:08.20 | jhutchins_wk | Mephisto: Perhaps you need to ask the people who know the internals of chrome. |
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| 21:09.31 | Mephisto | jhutchins_wk, yeah... maybe you're right. Then i'll do it. |
| 21:09.39 | fabiobik | how to disable ear own microphone |
| 21:09.53 | fabiobik | this noise makes me nut |
| 21:10.20 | Mephisto | everything shows now that i'm using java 7. If i type in terminal "java -version" it's 7. Also i've deleted all other older versions, so there's nothing else to see. |
| 21:10.20 | innociv | What do I do to stop a DoS? |
| 21:10.59 | archo43 | i managed tio reset my internet box to stop it once |
| 21:11.10 | valdyn | innociv: that depends on the type of DoS |
| 21:11.36 | Mephisto | oh yeah, by the way |
| 21:11.38 | innociv | I'm not sure what type it is. http://pastebin.com/Ya2kvi3L but this didn't look right. Repeated packet sizes from the same two ips over and over |
| 21:11.43 | Mephisto | that's how newer versions of Chrome behave! |
| 21:11.48 | Mephisto | both Chrome and Chromium |
| 21:12.05 | Mephisto | BUT.. the older one in debian repos which is 6.0 doesn't act like that |
| 21:12.11 | Mephisto | never says that java is old |
| 21:12.12 | Mephisto | it's ok |
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| 21:13.26 | jhutchins_wk | Sounds like a chrome bugreport is in order. |
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| 21:14.59 | valdyn | innociv: why do you think its a DoS? |
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| 21:15.21 | innociv | Because using up 100mbps of inbound |
| 21:15.33 | valdyn | innociv: tell your isp to block those 2 hosts |
| 21:15.39 | innociv | When normal is 2-8 and outbound isn't increasing with it. |
| 21:16.02 | innociv | Er tell my dedicated server host then? |
| 21:16.24 | innociv | Will blocking them on my firewall do nothing? I added "-A INPUT -s 173.0.129.61 -j DROP" to IP tables and I still see traffic from that IP in tcpdump |
| 21:16.28 | valdyn | innociv: yes, tell whoever owns the far end of your network |
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| 21:17.06 | innociv | So am I right that adding a drop to iptables doesn't stop them from sending the packet, or what? |
| 21:17.48 | valdyn | innociv: you should already be REJECTing those packets. With or without firewall |
| 21:18.02 | innociv | ? |
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| 21:18.19 | klync | innociv: if you're running iptables on the webserver, it still has to do some work processing the iptables rules, and its connections will be bound up as long as it takes it to read the packet and decide to drop it .... otoh, if you have a dedicated firewall in front, it can keep your websesrver free from those duties |
| 21:18.24 | valdyn | innociv: on your own you should not have a program servicing those requests by those 2 hosts |
| 21:18.24 | mentor | Does the interface in promiscuous mode traverse netfilter? |
| 21:18.52 | valdyn | mentor: hmmm? |
| 21:18.53 | innociv | Yeah |
| 21:18.57 | innociv | klync, i thought so |
| 21:19.07 | valdyn | innociv: DROP adds nothing useful to that |
| 21:19.34 | fabiobik | im trying to install squid |
| 21:19.41 | fabiobik | but give error |
| 21:19.44 | fabiobik | via apt-get |
| 21:19.44 | valdyn | mentor: i dont get the question |
| 21:20.08 | valdyn | mentor: i mean, an interfaces cant traverse anything, a packet can, but I still dont get what you mean |
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| 21:20.22 | mentor | insert "traffic on" |
| 21:20.22 | innociv | Yeah. Thanks for the clarification. I thought that was so... |
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| 21:21.03 | mentor | i.e., tcpdump puts the interface in promiscuous mode to capture all traffic. Would one expect to see iptables rules obeyed? |
| 21:21.28 | valdyn | mentor: what you see on a promiscous interface is *everything* that reaches your interface, including traffic not meant for your host, including what iptables would reject or drop |
| 21:22.12 | mentor | innociv: You should then always expect to see the traffic in tcpdump regardless of iptables rules. |
| 21:22.44 | innociv | Shouldn't having it dropped on iptables stop the data from being sent, even though it still has the overhead of rejecting the request? So it should reduce the network. |
| 21:23.08 | valdyn | innociv: its udp, they can send whatever they want. You cant avoid that, only your upstream isp can |
| 21:23.14 | innociv | Getting DoS'd like every 10 minutes for 5 minutes |
| 21:23.18 | innociv | For 5 hours now |
| 21:23.23 | innociv | kk |
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| 21:23.29 | innociv | How do I only show udp on tcpdump? |
| 21:23.56 | jhutchins_wk | realises he had someon on ingnore. |
| 21:23.58 | Mohsen_Hassani | I have added an alias to the ~/.bashr, I remember there was a command to make the changes affect. I have forgotten the command. |
| 21:24.01 | mentor | innociv: You could ask your upstream ISP to null route the traffic |
| 21:24.18 | valdyn | innociv: "tcpdump -i eth0 udp", i guess |
| 21:24.28 | innociv | Thanks |
| 21:24.43 | innociv | I asked them to block two of the ips I identified but i'm sure there are more. |
| 21:25.18 | valdyn | innociv: does it make sense to DoS you or do you think you're a random target? |
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| 21:25.38 | Mohsen_Hassani | Oh, I found it, it was source .bashrc |
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| 21:26.21 | innociv | I have a somewhat popular website community website. I think it's targetted, but this is the first time I've been DoS'd out of 3 years. |
| 21:26.53 | valdyn | innociv: if this persists with changing hosts you need to set up a more permanent solution with your isp |
| 21:27.15 | valdyn | innociv: o mean, blocking hosts 1 by 1 isnt going to do much good if theres a new one every other day... |
| 21:27.18 | innociv | Changing hosts? |
| 21:27.24 | innociv | Ah yeah |
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| 21:28.00 | innociv | Right now I can't even get into ssh to see the traffic |
| 21:28.01 | innociv | :/ |
| 21:28.05 | valdyn | innociv: but your isp can limit the maximum bandwidth available per ip, so it would need alot of hosts to DoS you |
| 21:28.22 | innociv | It's 100mbps being used. |
| 21:28.32 | innociv | Ah |
| 21:28.37 | valdyn | innociv: per attacker ip |
| 21:28.42 | valdyn | innociv: or per user ip |
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| 21:30.09 | innociv | Erm should I ask them to monitor the network on my box and null route anyone that's sending traffic on udp? AFAIK I should have no UDP traffic, right? |
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| 21:30.17 | innociv | What service would use UDP? |
| 21:31.15 | valdyn | innociv: usually services that have service needs that cant be had with tcp |
| 21:31.26 | valdyn | innociv: probably nothing for your website |
| 21:32.05 | innociv | I just use httpd, postfix, and node.js. |
| 21:32.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | DNS |
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| 21:35.40 | Mikaze | Hello. Where would one go for help in converting a 16-bit Microsoft ap for the blind, written in C, to convert it so it runs under Linux? |
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| 21:36.18 | valdyn | Mikaze: wrong channel |
| 21:36.20 | innociv | DNS uses udp? |
| 21:36.37 | valdyn | innociv: are you running a dns server too? |
| 21:36.39 | innociv | But I don't use my server as a DNS. I use the name.com DNS. |
| 21:36.42 | Mikaze | I know that. Duh. |
| 21:36.47 | innociv | I don't think so. |
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| 21:37.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | I was thinking of DNS queries |
| 21:38.20 | innociv | Like what? |
| 21:38.21 | jelly-home | Mikaze: it depends on what it does exactly. It might be ##C, it might be #winehq |
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| 21:38.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | like anything that wants to look up hostnames |
| 21:38.53 | innociv | Oh.. |
| 21:38.53 | jelly-home | Mikaze: and probably the accessibility teams for Gnome, KDE and Ubuntu |
| 21:39.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | doesn't necessarily happen in your setup, but not impossible either |
| 21:39.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | you'll notice when it breaks :) |
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| 21:39.18 | innociv | Like mail servers doing a reverse dns on you? |
| 21:39.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | yes... if they do that |
| 21:39.40 | Mikaze | It's a DOS ap, once compatible with Linux until some Mickeysoft dude tried converting to 32-bit on Windows. |
| 21:39.47 | innociv | Most mail servers do to prevent spam |
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| 21:41.08 | jelly-home | Mikaze: like I said, it depends on what it does. Some questions you'll need to answer: Does it talk to hardware? What APIs does it use on Windows, DOS. |
| 21:41.10 | EvilGenius101 | How do i stop network manager from overwrtitting resolv.conf |
| 21:41.14 | Mikaze | If interested, the program is called nfbtrans. It converts text files to a format that prints out braille. |
| 21:42.14 | jelly-home | Mikaze: Google suggests gentoo seems to have a port already. http://ftp.twaren.net/Linux/Gentoo/gentoo-portage/app-accessibility/nfbtrans/ |
| 21:42.16 | valdyn | !fixresolvconf |
| 21:42.16 | dpkg | To fix your /etc/resolv.conf: edit /etc/dhcp{,3}/dhclient.conf to include the nameservers you want to use (ask me about <override dns>). Alternatively, use <resolvconf> and specify the nameservers yourself: echo -e "nameserver a.b.c.d\nnameserver w.x.y.z" > /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/base; resolvconf -u (where a.b.c.d and w.x.y.z are your ISPs nameservers). Also ask me about <fixresolvconf the ugly way>. |
| 21:42.22 | Mikaze | It also converts braille (.brf/.brl) to text again, which is what interests me. |
| 21:42.29 | valdyn | EvilGenius101: ^^ |
| 21:42.34 | EvilGenius101 | thanks, reading |
| 21:42.45 | valdyn | EvilGenius101: i think you want the ugly way |
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| 21:44.02 | Mikaze | The Gentoo port is an old 16-bit one, never updated to 32 or 64-bit. |
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| 21:45.02 | Mikaze | Well, thanks guys. Appreciate the ear. |
| 21:45.32 | jelly-home | Mikaze: what's the problem with the 16-bit one? |
| 21:45.42 | jelly-home | eh |
| 21:46.06 | somiaj | oh he left, i was going to say do a diff between the version and the ported version, see if it points out what things you would have to change. |
| 21:46.21 | jhutchins_wk | If you clone a VM on VMWARE, what do you have to tweak? I know eth0 will probably be incremented by udev, what else? |
| 21:46.44 | jelly-home | somiaj: gentoo has separate patches, and they seem very simple. |
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| 21:48.07 | jelly-home | jhutchins_wk: you probably don't want two machines using the same IP address on the same network segment. You also probably don't want them to have the same name |
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| 21:48.48 | jhutchins_wk | ssh keys? |
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| 21:49.10 | jelly-home | jhutchins_wk: vSphere has a template system that deal with some of that stuff. Which VMware product are you using? |
| 21:49.12 | jhutchins_wk | Debian doesn't store the MAC in the netconfig like RH does... |
| 21:49.26 | jelly-home | no, it's in udev |
| 21:49.28 | jhutchins_wk | Dunno, I'm responsible for the internals on the VMs. |
| 21:49.45 | jelly-home | jhutchins_wk: how do you clone them? |
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| 21:50.32 | jhutchins_wk | I say "Stephen, could you please make a clone of genweblvm1? |
| 21:51.17 | jelly-home | haha |
| 21:51.40 | jelly-home | try "Stephen, wtf are we using to make these VMs go" |
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| 21:52.04 | jhutchins_wk | "VMWare". "I click the button that says "Clone"". |
| 21:52.24 | jelly-home | or "Stephen have you heard about this beautiful feature called VM TEMPLATES" |
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| 21:52.43 | jhutchins_wk | I'll mention it, thanks. |
| 21:52.55 | jhutchins_wk | Only one machine to build, so we may just run the installer. |
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| 21:53.36 | jelly-home | "Stephen I'll buy you a beer to make a screenshot of your UI so I can ask the people on IRC what product we're using, if you're incapable of figuring it out" |
| 21:53.45 | Mohsen_Hassani | I'm using lame to convert audio files, and I get this error: WARNING: ReplayGain exceeds the -51dB to +51dB range. |
| 21:53.49 | jelly-home | might want to work on the wording |
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| 21:57.00 | innociv | Thanks everyone for your help with my DoS problem. |
| 21:57.12 | innociv | For some reason my host became unresponsive to emails though :| |
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| 21:58.34 | mrtn86 | In case of FreeBSD I'm able to check Volume Boot Record using the bsdlabel command. How can one check the Volume Boot Record in Debian? |
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| 22:01.13 | KinkyPinkie | hello! can I trouble someone for some help adding a .pam certificate to chrome? I read that I need pkcs, but I can't find other than 11 with aptitude |
| 22:01.26 | jhutchins_wk | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:03.12 | KinkyPinkie | forgot to mention versions. I read that I need pkcs 11 and 7 |
| 22:03.21 | KinkyPinkie | 12 and 7 (sorry) |
| 22:04.45 | jelly-home | .pem |
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| 22:10.21 | fabiobik | guys |
| 22:10.27 | fabiobik | im on teamspeak |
| 22:10.38 | fabiobik | but im not able for example to ear music |
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| 22:10.49 | fabiobik | just the people on teamspeak |
| 22:10.53 | fabiobik | its normal? |
| 22:11.45 | fabiobik | Potential ALSA version problem: |
| 22:11.46 | fabiobik | VLC failed to initialize your sound output device (if any). |
| 22:11.46 | fabiobik | Please update alsa-lib to version 1.0.23-2-g8d80d5f or higher to try to fix this issue. |
| 22:12.07 | fabiobik | i did apt-get upgrade |
| 22:12.10 | fabiobik | and nothing |
| 22:13.05 | jelly-home | fabiobik: it's probably a red herring |
| 22:13.25 | fabiobik | jelly-home, a what? |
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| 22:13.38 | jelly-home | fabiobik: a misleading clue |
| 22:13.49 | fabiobik | oh ok |
| 22:13.54 | jelly-home | !list alsa users |
| 22:13.54 | dpkg | To see what processes are using (and perhaps blocking) your sound device: ps `lsof +D /dev -F rt | awk '/^p/ {pid=$1} /^t/ {type=$1} /^r0x74..$/ && type == "tCHR" {print pid} /^r0xe..$/ && type == "tCHR" {print pid}' | cut -c 2- | uniq`. Alternatively, fuser -v /dev/snd/* /dev/dsp /dev/mixer |
| 22:14.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | isn't that more like !dmix |
| 22:14.18 | jelly-home | fabiobik: do that. See if any other processes are using the audio device(s) |
| 22:14.46 | fabiobik | jelly-home, but normaly could use in simultaneos |
| 22:14.51 | fabiobik | *simultaneus |
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| 22:14.53 | fabiobik | fck |
| 22:14.59 | fabiobik | *simultaneous |
| 22:15.11 | fabiobik | right? |
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| 22:15.18 | jhutchins_wk | ,versions alsa-lib |
| 22:15.19 | judd | No package named 'alsa-lib' was found in i386. |
| 22:15.37 | jelly-home | fabiobik: that last one is right. You don't have to fix your spelling if it's obvious what you meant |
| 22:15.49 | kevlarman | ,versions libasound2 |
| 22:15.50 | judd | Package: libasound2 on i386 -- lenny: 1.0.16-2; lenny-backports: 1.0.23-2.1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 1.0.23-2.1; wheezy: 1.0.24.1-4; sid: 1.0.25-2 |
| 22:15.53 | kevlarman | jhutchins_wk: ^ |
| 22:16.18 | fabiobik | 8 |
| 22:16.33 | jhutchins_wk | fabiobik: Are you on squeeze? |
| 22:16.41 | fabiobik | yes |
| 22:16.43 | fabiobik | 6.04 |
| 22:16.53 | Hexi | how do I tell apt-get to just "do what I say" and fully install a package regardless of whether it *thinks* there was a configuration file there before or not? I've completely purged the old package and when I try to reinstall, it's not installing the config files since they used to exist on the system at some point |
| 22:16.55 | jhutchins_wk | Do you know how to tell what version of the package you have? |
| 22:17.03 | fabiobik | no |
| 22:17.10 | jhutchins_wk | !confmiss |
| 22:17.10 | dpkg | You have to especially tell the packaging system to reinstall config files because when they are gone, it is assumed that you want them to stay deleted. "aptitude -o DPkg::Options::='--force-confmiss' reinstall $packagename" will restore them (man dpkg for details). If the package uses <ucf> for config file management, ask me about <ucf confmiss>. |
| 22:17.17 | engla | Hexi: purge it first? |
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| 22:17.38 | jelly-home | jhutchins_wk: in any case, he has 1.0.23 which is likely lower than 1.0.23 + some git |
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| 22:17.49 | Hexi | engla: I did that |
| 22:17.59 | fabiobik | btw |
| 22:18.11 | fabiobik | does someone knows how to install squid |
| 22:18.18 | fabiobik | web proxy |
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| 22:19.32 | Hexi | jhutchins_wk: thanks I'll give that a try... yeah it does use ucf... ucf is the devil, just install it and let me worry about configuring it! lol |
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| 22:19.40 | heinzes | what is the best/recommended way to install packages for testing without root privileges? |
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| 22:20.01 | fabiobik | ading package lists... Error! |
| 22:20.01 | fabiobik | W: Encountered status field in a non-version description |
| 22:20.01 | fabiobik | E: Malformed 1st word in the Status line |
| 22:20.01 | fabiobik | E: Error occurred while processing debian-faq (UsePackage3) |
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| 22:20.02 | jhutchins_wk | Managing configuration files when upgrading packages is not a simple thing to do. |
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| 22:20.35 | fabiobik | ading package lists... Error! |
| 22:20.35 | fabiobik | W: Encountered status field in a non-version description |
| 22:20.35 | fabiobik | E: Malformed 1st word in the Status line |
| 22:20.35 | fabiobik | E: Error occurred while processing debian-faq (UsePackage3) |
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| 22:20.42 | dondelelcaro | (without using a tautology) |
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| 22:21.19 | Hexi | jhutchins_wk: yeah I know, I prefer the etc-update method that gentoo uses for that, but in a multi-flavor environment, have to use the tools given :) |
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| 22:25.34 | Hexi | jhutchins_wk: that didn't seem to work, I still ended up getting the "Not replacing deleted config file" error |
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| 22:26.15 | innociv | Bah host still hasn't responded about the DoS. :/ |
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| 22:28.21 | fabiobik | hi |
| 22:28.44 | fabiobik | im getting this error while installing squid http://pastebin.com/uTKmDE82 |
| 22:29.07 | valdyn | !status |
| 22:29.07 | dpkg | Since Tue Feb 14 12:05:28 2012, there have been 0 modifications, 42 questions, 9 dunnos, 0 morons and 6 commands. I have been awake for 10h 23m 39s this session, and currently reference 39534 factoids. I'm using about 18632 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 60.14/3.29 child 0.01/0.01 |
| 22:29.17 | valdyn | !dpkg-status |
| 22:29.49 | boudiccas | fabiobik; what version of debian are you using please? |
| 22:30.16 | vbrummond | simulation of installing squid works here in squeeze |
| 22:30.53 | fabiobik | im getting this error while installing squid http://pastebin.com/uTKmDE82 |
| 22:30.55 | fabiobik | ups |
| 22:30.56 | fabiobik | sorry |
| 22:31.16 | valdyn | fabiobik: http://suwala.eu/blog/2010/10/20/fix-corrupted-varlibdpkgstatus-varlibdpkgavailable/ |
| 22:31.28 | boudiccas | fabiobik; again i ask, what version of debian are you using please? |
| 22:31.55 | jelly-home | boudiccas: <jhutchins_wk> fabiobik: Are you on squeeze? <fabiobik> yes <fabiobik> 6.04 |
| 22:31.57 | valdyn | boudiccas: how is this relevant to the issue at hand? |
| 22:32.17 | jelly-home | boudiccas: /lastlog command is your friend |
| 22:32.39 | LtL | fabiobik: try aptitude install squid it's more likely to resolve problems. |
| 22:33.27 | LtL | fabiobik: although I think you have other issues. |
| 22:33.36 | jelly-home | LtL: aptitude is not likely to work if his status file is borked |
| 22:33.39 | fabiobik | boudiccas, squeeze |
| 22:33.57 | LtL | jelly-home: yeah, 'other issues' indeed |
| 22:34.23 | fabiobik | [ 0%] Reading package listsSegmentation fault |
| 22:34.38 | jelly-home | fabiobik: please pastebin ls -l /var/lib/dpkg/status* /var/backups/dpkg.status.* |
| 22:34.43 | fabiobik | with aptitude |
| 22:35.00 | valdyn | fabiobik: your status file is broken. I told you how to fix that. But you probably have more severe problems too, like broken hardware |
| 22:35.02 | jelly-home | fabiobik: did this machine have a power failure or other hardware issue recently? |
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| 22:35.45 | fabiobik | valdyn, maybe a forced shutdown? |
| 22:35.48 | fabiobik | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 291769 Feb 14 19:16 /var/lib/dpkg/status |
| 22:35.56 | alch__ | hello! |
| 22:36.20 | alch__ | does anyone know if there is old debian documentation? circa 2.x, specifically, but maybe older |
| 22:36.25 | jelly-home | fabiobik: use a pastebin, please. there ought to be more than just that one line |
| 22:36.29 | jelly-home | !paste |
| 22:36.29 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ http://paste.pocoo.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>, <lodgeit.py>. |
| 22:36.48 | valdyn | fabiobik: maybe, maybe not, unlikely though that a force shutdown breaks multiple files like that |
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| 22:37.09 | fabiobik | jelly-home, the command you gave me just displayed that |
| 22:37.25 | jelly-home | fabiobik: that's not good. Do you have any backups? |
| 22:37.31 | fabiobik | no |
| 22:37.44 | vbrummond | alch__ I can only think of http://www.debian.org/doc/obsolete |
| 22:37.56 | jelly-home | fabiobik: can you reinstall this system easily? |
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| 22:38.13 | alch__ | hmm, thanks |
| 22:38.15 | fabiobik | jelly-home, i dont think so remote? |
| 22:38.37 | LtL | fabiobik: can you do 'apt-get update && apt-get upgrade' without errors? |
| 22:38.43 | fabiobik | yes |
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| 22:39.29 | jelly-home | LtL: dude, stop trying to make fabiobik make his system worse than it already is. |
| 22:39.36 | fabiobik | LtL, Segmentation faultsts... 0% |
| 22:39.50 | LtL | jelly-home: k |
| 22:39.58 | jelly-home | fabiobik: can you pastebin your /var/log/kern.log ? |
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| 22:40.01 | fabiobik | 0.o |
| 22:40.06 | fabiobik | sure |
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| 22:41.16 | jelly-home | LtL, fabiobik: if the status file appears broken, and there are no backups, the best thing to do is try figure out the reason; writing further to the file (which installing packages would do) might make things worse |
| 22:41.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | what I don't understand... how can there be no backups of the status file |
| 22:42.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | not even /var/lib/dpkg/status-old, nor any of the /var/backups/dpkg.status* |
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| 22:42.49 | fabiobik | jelly-home, please check your pvt |
| 22:42.51 | jelly-home | it might be a very fresh system (in which case a reinstall should not be an issue), or it might be intentionally disabled by an idiot, or it might have hw issues and a reboot wiped all the useful files |
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| 22:44.38 | jelly-home | fabiobik: nope, sorry, I don't do private help for free. Other volunteers can't see what's going on, then. |
| 22:44.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | there's also that hack to rebuild it via /usr/share/doc/ ... but not much use if writing the HD has problems |
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| 22:47.15 | jelly-home | fabiobik: if we decide the hardware is probably ok, then you can take a look at that file. It's basically a text file, can be edited with vim or nano, but it's also dpkg's main database and if it's too broken, the simplest thing to do is reinstall |
| 22:48.08 | jelly-home | fabiobik: Debian makes a backup of it very often, at least on a daily basis, so it's a bit unusual there are no backups at all |
| 22:48.09 | fabiobik | jelly-home, heh let me see what we can do |
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| 22:48.51 | jelly-home | I have like 10 copies in ls -la /var/lib/dpkg/status* /var/backups/dpkg.status.* |
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| 22:52.13 | fabiobik | here my log kernel |
| 22:52.14 | fabiobik | http://pastebin.com/FCqQPz7y |
| 22:52.28 | fabiobik | jelly-home, check plz |
| 22:52.48 | vbrummond | +jelly-home I never messed with any settings and I have 6 backups of dpkg.status |
| 22:53.01 | vbrummond | so its certainly the default for it to do so |
| 22:53.54 | vbrummond | (also thanks for the tip, if this ever happens to me ill know what to do) :) |
| 22:54.18 | jelly-home | fabiobik: you have lots of apps segfaulting in different places. I strongly suspect hardware issues, test your RAM. clean the machine's insides, reseat it, test it again. |
| 22:54.41 | fabiobik | ok |
| 22:55.17 | jelly-home | and is that... webmin I'm spotting |
| 22:55.45 | fabiobik | jelly-home, how to test ram? |
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| 22:56.12 | jelly-home | fabiobik: a livecd with memtest86+ |
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| 22:56.22 | jelly-home | you will need console access |
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| 22:56.32 | fabiobik | oh ok |
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| 22:57.13 | jelly-home | fabiobik: it's possible memtest86 or memtest86+ is already installed (look in /boot/ directory), in that case it ought to be available in the boot menu |
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| 22:58.09 | fabiobik | jelly-home, but for that i need physical access to the machine right? |
| 22:58.17 | jelly-home | fabiobik: oh, definitely |
| 22:58.41 | fabiobik | thats sad |
| 22:58.42 | fabiobik | xD |
| 22:58.48 | jelly-home | unless it's a server machine with remote management and console capabilities, and it doesn't look like that |
| 22:59.13 | fabiobik | jelly-home, btw the debian has 2 versions right? |
| 22:59.21 | fabiobik | desktop version and server version |
| 22:59.34 | fabiobik | but on debian website i only see the netinstall |
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| 23:00.01 | nkuttler | fabiobik: no, there is one stable release |
| 23:00.08 | jelly-home | fabiobik: negative. There is a single installer. |
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| 23:00.45 | jelly-home | you can pick the tasks in the installer, or not pick any and install packages later |
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| 23:04.20 | fabiobik | how to restart debian? |
| 23:04.26 | fabiobik | not shutdown |
| 23:04.32 | fabiobik | just restart |
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| 23:07.59 | dondelelcaro | fabiobik: shutdown -r now; or similar |
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| 23:08.43 | jelly-home | fabiobik: on a machine you suspect to be with broken hardware, the safest way is to do it as forcibly as possible. echo b >> /proc/sysrq-trigger |
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| 23:09.28 | jelly-home | if you're talking of some other machine, what dondelelcaro said |
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| 23:12.48 | Pelo | evening folks |
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| 23:13.34 | Pelo | I've had it with ubuntu, I can't stand unity and for the past few releases all it's been doing is breaking my stuff. |
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| 23:15.09 | jelly-home | Pelo: you can change desktop environments and keep using the same distro |
| 23:15.27 | Pelo | So I want to give Debian a try but there is one thing that bugs me. Will I have much issues installing Squeeze which is running gnome 2.x when my /home is now littered with unity / gnome 3.x stuff ? |
| 23:15.49 | Pelo | jelly-home, I don'T like gnome 3.x either and I have some other issues beside the desktop |
| 23:16.59 | Pelo | my pci printer port hasn'T worked since 9.04, evolution is broken since 10.10, and conky just crapped out one my this week |
| 23:17.22 | Pelo | I've had enough, I'm no longer hoping for the "next" one to fix my problems |
| 23:17.42 | jelly-home | did you report the bugs? |
| 23:18.24 | jelly-home | the developers can't fix them if they don't know things fail to work |
| 23:19.15 | Pelo | I reported the pci printer port card bug when it happened, the bug got closed for lack of activity |
| 23:19.32 | jelly-home | fun |
| 23:19.38 | Pelo | the conky stuff I more or less solved until recently , and the evolution stuff I gave up on |
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| 23:19.43 | jelly-home | at least with debian you can have bugs open for years |
| 23:19.47 | vbrummond | Pelo: I would advise you backup what you want to keep and delete the old configuration files; Some programs do not like downgrading configuration |
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| 23:21.29 | Pelo | second question, I realise that debian doesn'T have a steady release schedule like ubuntu , but it is fairly reliable when it comes to package updates ? |
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| 23:22.44 | Pelo | jelly-home, I personnaly tracked the pci printer port bug down to ubuntu itself , I downloaded a bunch of live distros to test, all the distros downstream of ubuntu had the same issue |
| 23:22.45 | vbrummond | Pelo: Stable releases now come out around every 2 years. You wont find much more than security and bug fixes for a stable release. There is a backports service available however it is a select group of often requested packages (actually fairly comprehensive) such as a kernel and newer xorg. Though it will not have everything. |
| 23:22.48 | rmacd | Pelo: Packages are usually not updated after freeze unless there's a good reason - security, etc. Focus is on stability, not `newness` as it were. |
| 23:23.41 | Pelo | rmacd, security and major bugs is what I had in mind, I don'T want bleeding edge anymore, I was reliable |
| 23:23.46 | Pelo | was/want |
| 23:24.19 | Pelo | feels a bit dirty dropping ubuntu, he spend 3 years in the support channel helping out |
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| 23:25.48 | Pelo | ok thanks a lot for the basic info guys, I'll do some more reading and come back if anything else confuses me |
| 23:25.49 | Pelo | thanks |
| 23:27.11 | jhutchins | On the other hand, bugfixes ARE patched back into the main packages, and if there are significant new features they often get backported. |
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| 23:33.50 | heinzes | is there a way to get root access inside a (s)chroot without having root outside? |
| 23:34.11 | aidalgol | Is there a unit-testing framework bundled with Ruby1.9 in Debian? |
| 23:35.33 | rmacd | heinzes: 'root access' - say, access to files? Or what. |
| 23:36.49 | heinzes | rmacd: yes, ideally I want to be able to run root-privilege commands eg. apt-get inside the chroot with being normal user outside the chroot |
| 23:37.26 | lynks | heinzes: recall that its very easy to escape a chroot as root, so this would not be secure, i guess depending on how you had organised it. just a consideration. |
| 23:38.13 | rmacd | heinzes: If you're needing specific users to access administrative commands then sudo's your friend. |
| 23:38.14 | heinzes | I don't mind making it more secure. any other idea to realize this? |
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| 23:39.17 | heinzes | well, I only want user to have access to a controlled environment separate from the system (i.e. the chroot idea), but no system level root access for users |
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| 23:42.22 | rmacd | heinzes: The point of chroot is to disallow users from making changes to the rest of the system. Package management/apt etc., *installs applications and libs*, so flies in the face of what you're doing. Set up a VM instead. |
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| 23:44.09 | heinzes | rmacd: I want to disallow users making changes to the system, but I want them to be able to change the things inside e.g. a bootstrapped debian. |
| 23:44.30 | overflow_0f8b | hello |
| 23:44.31 | overflow_0f8b | what do you do when you want to restore some data from a bad maxt0r hdd, and your bootcds hang at udev initialization / data access because of the faulty hdd ? |
| 23:45.00 | heinzes | rmacd: but thanks for the VM pointer, although I expect there'll be a little more overhead with that. |
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| 23:45.34 | rmacd | heinzes: Of course there will be, but there's little point in chrooting users if you're ending up granting access to apt-get etc. anyway. |
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| 23:46.21 | Kevin` | when does/did lenny go out of support? |
| 23:46.36 | kevlarman | heinzes: root can trivially break out of a chroot on linux |
| 23:46.47 | ksk | Kevin`: its EOL already imho |
| 23:46.54 | heinzes | rmacd: I wanted to allow them to do changes only to the restricted part. but I guess it wouldn't be secure.. |
| 23:47.16 | ksk | !tell Kevin` about lenny |
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| 23:49.00 | aidalgol | Why does ri not return anything about some classes that come with ruby? |
| 23:49.08 | aidalgol | Such as Test::Unit. |
| 23:49.54 | ksk | thats a debian question? :> |
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| 23:50.22 | aidalgol | Yes, as it's the Debian package(s) I'm using |
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| 23:55.02 | fabiobik | does anyone have experience with squid? |
| 23:55.13 | fabiobik | im trying to make an remote connection |
| 23:55.25 | fabiobik | i have my 3128 port open |
| 23:56.42 | rmacd | fabiobik: Squid won't listen on your public socket unless you explicitly tell it to do so. |
| 23:56.56 | rmacd | *interface |
| 23:57.07 | fabiobik | rmacd, i could show you my conf |
| 23:57.20 | fabiobik | rmacd, wanna help me? |
| 23:58.00 | rmacd | fabiobik: Have you actually changed anything in the default conf? |
| 23:58.51 | fabiobik | rmacd, yes |
| 23:58.55 | fabiobik | ive deleted |
| 23:59.13 | fabiobik | rmacd, http://pastebin.com/LE4p1AxH |
| 23:59.18 | fabiobik | this is my actual config |
