| 00:00.53 | rmacd | simply change your http_port from `http_port 3128` to `http_port ser.ver.ipa.ddr:3128` |
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| 00:14.24 | HiDeHo | hi all i dont see wine in synaptic just wine tricks and a few othr things |
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| 00:16.05 | engla | HiDeHo: there is no wine in testing/wheezy |
| 00:16.37 | engla | HiDeHo: it's an old version anyway, you're better off with playonlinux (installs multiple wine versions and maintains separate wine prefixes) |
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| 00:18.32 | HiDeHo | engla: ok how can i see what version of debian i have |
| 00:19.06 | HiDeHo | engla: play-on-linux is an addon for wine itself. os i would also need wine |
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| 00:19.51 | engla | true, the playonlinux package depends on wine |
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| 00:20.45 | somiaj | HiDeHo: I personally suggest just compiling your own wine. |
| 00:20.47 | HiDeHo | so how do i find out what version of debian i have now and then find the wine version for it |
| 00:21.14 | engla | HiDeHo: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 00:21.21 | somiaj | HiDeHo: compling and installing in /usr/local with 'make install' will not mess with the debian system. If you really want you can compile your own deb package (it is what I do with the cdbs system) |
| 00:21.25 | HiDeHo | i get taken to this page when trying to download wine http://www.winehq.org/download/debian |
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| 00:21.53 | somiaj | HiDeHo: I wouldn't trust those packages either, but that is just my experience |
| 00:22.40 | HiDeHo | reading the page it says if wine 123 works for you just use it. then how do i get that for debian |
| 00:23.05 | engla | HiDeHo: are you on wheezy? |
| 00:23.06 | somiaj | HiDeHo: there is a 'wine' package, 'apt-cache show wine' will show the version in your sources.list |
| 00:23.33 | engla | somiaj: that package is not in wheezy so that would be consistent with the story |
| 00:23.34 | somiaj | HiDeHo: oh in wheezy you'll have to grab it from sid. But still its 1.0.1 in sid, and 1.1.24 in experiemntial |
| 00:23.58 | somiaj | engla: yea it was there last I checked a few months ago, good decision to remove it as it is kinda outdated. |
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| 00:24.04 | engla | HiDeHo: my suggestion is: download playonlinux and wine from sid. Use playonlinux to install any wine version you'd like in their interface |
| 00:24.05 | HiDeHo | its 123 in wine site adn 124rc for testing |
| 00:24.14 | HiDeHo | y is debian behind |
| 00:24.30 | HiDeHo | ok where do i get all that then |
| 00:24.33 | somiaj | HiDeHo: debian is not behind, there is just no matainers for wine. |
| 00:24.48 | HiDeHo | you still did not tell me how to find what my current base version of debian is |
| 00:24.49 | somiaj | HiDeHo: compile your own wine, it isnt' that hard. (: |
| 00:24.51 | engla | HiDeHo: http://packages.debian.org/sid/wine |
| 00:24.57 | jelly-home | HiDeHo: the versions in debian are outdated for various reasons. You mean 1.2.3 or 1.4-rc3 |
| 00:25.12 | somiaj | HiDeHo: apt-cache policy libc6 (that is a good way to find out). Also look at your sources.list |
| 00:25.24 | somiaj | HiDeHo: if it is wheezy and you don't know that already, you should be running stable. (: |
| 00:25.31 | jelly-home | !tell HiDeHo about wine-unstable |
| 00:26.14 | somiaj | oh 1.3 has been replaced, my wine_1.3.31_amd64.deb is a bit outdated. |
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| 00:26.28 | jelly-home | HiDeHo: you can use those sources to build your own packages, if you need packages. If you trust the person making those packages, you could use them. |
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| 00:27.40 | HiDeHo | this is all i get. http://pastebin.com/jX2AkUSL it don't seem to tell me what version of debian i have. |
| 00:28.10 | jelly-home | HiDeHo: you're not using Debian at all. It seems you're using Linux Mint. |
| 00:28.42 | jelly-home | !mint |
| 00:28.43 | dpkg | Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at http://forums.linuxmint.com/ or join #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org for support. Linux Mint is variously based on <Ubuntu> with a "Linux Mint Debian Edition" (LMDE) also available, based on <testing>. See also <based on debian>, <mintppc>. |
| 00:28.48 | HiDeHo | jelly: its linux mint debian actually. i want to find out teh base debian version its built on now |
| 00:29.01 | HiDeHo | linux mint debian is built on debia. |
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| 00:29.25 | HiDeHo | there are verry much similar but i gt your point i will not come here much for help then thanks so far for wll you done |
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| 00:29.42 | jelly-home | can't support any of the derivatives in here, their recommended solutions can differ from Debian's |
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| 00:30.03 | HiDeHo | well to find a bas version shoudl be same |
| 00:30.14 | HiDeHo | i get your point better to not screw it up then |
| 00:30.48 | jelly-home | HiDeHo: compare the important packages (dpkg, libc6) versions to what's available in Debian, for example: /msg judd versions libc6 |
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| 00:31.25 | jelly-home | HiDeHo: your distro might be based on an older snapshot of testing or unstable |
| 00:31.31 | jelly-home | best to ask them |
| 00:31.33 | somiaj | ,versions libc6 |
| 00:31.34 | judd | Package: libc6 on i386 -- lenny: 2.7-18lenny7; lenny-security: 2.7-18lenny7; squeeze: 2.11.3-2; squeeze-proposed-updates: 2.11.3-3; sid: 2.13-26; wheezy: 2.13-26 |
| 00:31.46 | HiDeHo | thanks all |
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| 00:32.03 | HiDeHo | nice to get help here. |
| 00:32.06 | somiaj | HiDeHo: the version of libc6 you show is not from any current debian version. Most likely an older snapshot of wheezy. |
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| 00:32.24 | HiDeHo | well ok thanks i will ask aroung |
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| 00:33.01 | Hexi | where does debian store the fact that I've previously installed a package? I want to delete any trace that it was ever installed so dpkg will do the right thing and install the config files (yes I've tried --force-confmiss but it just isn't working) |
| 00:33.41 | jelly-home | Hexi: you might have not use the correct package for confmiss method |
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| 00:34.25 | jebba | anyone else seeing a problem possibly with the new PHP update? |
| 00:34.32 | somiaj | Hexi: dpkg -l packagenmae will tell you the condition of that package on your system |
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| 00:34.48 | lynks | jebba: ive had many issues with 5.3 |
| 00:34.51 | jelly-home | Hexi: so if you can figure out the correct package to purge, that'd the be the correct package to "/msg dpkg confmiss" as well |
| 00:34.52 | Hexi | jelly-home: not sure how I could have, it's a single .deb |
| 00:34.57 | somiaj | jebba: the security update? Check the bts and security annoucment. |
| 00:35.12 | jelly-home | Hexi: which package was it? |
| 00:35.29 | Hexi | jelly-home: phpbb3 |
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| 00:35.45 | jelly-home | Hexi: from debian? Which version? |
| 00:35.47 | Hexi | and -l shows it as "un" (unknown since I've purged it) |
| 00:35.55 | jebba | somiaj: ya, with the security update released today. I installed it and now my site is broken doh. |
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| 00:36.08 | jelly-home | Hexi: then you've done all dpkg is aware of. |
| 00:36.16 | somiaj | jebba: check the bts, figure out why it is broken, I'm sure they want bug reports |
| 00:36.26 | jelly-home | ,versions phpbb3 |
| 00:36.28 | judd | Package: phpbb3 on i386 -- lenny: 3.0.2-4; squeeze: 3.0.7-PL1-4; wheezy: 3.0.10-1; sid: 3.0.10-2 |
| 00:36.30 | Hexi | jelly-home: right, but when I go to install it now, it won't install the phpbb3.conf file since it says it was previously deleted |
| 00:36.42 | jebba | goes to find wtf is bts |
| 00:36.52 | somiaj | !tell jebba about bts |
| 00:36.54 | jebba | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:37.00 | jelly-home | Hexi: is that a package from Debian? Which version? |
| 00:37.02 | somiaj | jebba: yes bug tracking system. |
| 00:37.33 | jebba | somiaj: do you know offhand how to quickly revert to the previous packages? |
| 00:37.41 | Hexi | jelly-home: phpbb3_3.0.7-PL1-4_all.deb |
| 00:38.00 | Hexi | jelly-home: yes it's from debian, originally installed with apt-get |
| 00:38.25 | somiaj | jebba: you have to get a copy of the .deb, if you don't do apt-get clean, it will be sitting in /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 00:38.58 | somiaj | jebba: debian will probabaly not offer the older deb (as it has a security hole), but you may still be able to find a copy of it on squeezes repo (as the security update may only be on security.debian.org) |
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| 00:39.43 | diverdude | How do i see the version of my apache? |
| 00:39.50 | jelly-home | Hexi: I have no idea why it does that without picking its innards (the installation scripts), but it sounds like a bug. |
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| 00:39.56 | somiaj | diverdude: apt-cache policy apache2 |
| 00:40.08 | somiaj | diverdude: or dpkg -l apache2 (depending on what info you want) |
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| 00:40.47 | Hexi | jelly-home: but the first time I installed it (same exact package), it installed the .conf file fine... so debian has it somewhere in some log/db or whatever that I previously had this package installed, is there no way to edit this and remove all traces? |
| 00:41.24 | somiaj | Hexi: if --purge the package is not removing that trace, not sure what is going on. |
| 00:42.07 | jelly-home | Hexi: it does not. The purge action is specifically made to undo any traces of the installation. If it does not, it's either a bug, or the deviation ought to be documented. |
| 00:42.13 | Hexi | somiaj: yeah i've even used find to search for files... the only remnant is the .deb package itself in /var/lib/apt/archive |
| 00:43.25 | Hexi | jelly-home: true, it may be a bug, but with purge not doing it's job in this case, I have no way to get that config file back to get my site back up and running |
| 00:43.56 | jelly-home | Hexi: can you pastebin the full output of an installation attempt |
| 00:44.20 | Hexi | jelly-home: sure, well it will be the end of it, it switches to ncurses halfway through |
| 00:44.32 | jelly-home | Hexi: use script to catch it all. |
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| 00:45.47 | jebba | somiaj: fyi, it may not be PHP (i just figured it was that since I updated PHP earlier and now it's dead), but the ISP itself seems to be having issues for the first time i've seen (on hosted kvms) |
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| 00:46.44 | somiaj | jebba: well the security fix was backported, you could probabaly get a small diff to tell you the differences between the packages. |
| 00:47.07 | somiaj | jebba: so if it was php it could be something very special to your setup as very little should have changed (except backporting the security fix) |
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| 00:48.50 | jebba | somiaj: yep, confirmed ISP going haywire (elastichosts.com fwiw) |
| 00:49.14 | jebba | I just figured after I updated it and things went bad it was PHP's fault, but not so apparently. |
| 00:49.17 | somiaj | jebba: well then don't submit a bug or recant yours if you did. (: |
| 00:49.30 | jebba | i didnt even get a chance to get that far, thx for your help tho |
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| 00:49.46 | Hexi | jelly-home: not exactly sure how, tried to just redirect strout and stderr but then it just hangs when it's at the phase where I need to answer it's questions |
| 00:50.16 | jelly-home | Hexi: it's 2am here, I'm not capable of coherent thought for tonight. I suggest investigating the install scripts ( /var/lib/dpkg/info/phpbb3.{*inst,config} ) and figuring out where it decides not to do a fresh install |
| 00:50.39 | jelly-home | Hexi: using script would have been easier. |
| 00:50.50 | jelly-home | good night, and good luck |
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| 00:52.55 | silvertip257 | When my preseeding machine stops with an error about security.debian.org, tty4 shows that it Failed to fetch http://security.debian.org/dists/squeeze/updates/contrib/binary-i386/Packages.gz ... similar to the notes here http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2011/01/msg00091.html I'm running approx to cache packages, but doubt it's the cause (since this is a direct fetch to security.debian.org). Ideas? |
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| 00:54.52 | somiaj | silvertip257: what sort of internet interface is it having to get these from? |
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| 00:55.10 | somiaj | silvertip257: (wondering if you missed some non-free firmware or something so you don't really have an internet connenction up and running) |
| 00:56.00 | silvertip257 | somiaj: wired nic and it has fetched other packages before that |
| 00:56.16 | silvertip257 | s/it has fetched/it fetched/ |
| 00:56.18 | somiaj | silvertip257: I'm able to wget that link just fine |
| 00:56.23 | silvertip257 | same here |
| 00:56.25 | jebba | thx again somiaj, all good now. later.... |
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| 00:56.41 | somiaj | silvertip257: how about other things from security.debian.org, could it be a dns issue inside the install env? |
| 00:57.19 | somiaj | silvertip257: any more info besides failed to fetch, does it give you some error code like '404' or something else to try to see what is failing |
| 00:57.40 | silvertip257 | somiaj: 500 Internal Server Error ... maybe it is related to approx :( |
| 00:58.42 | somiaj | silvertip257: maybe, I was going to suggest you could just use an ip over security.debian.org so you don't have a dns issue, but if it isn't a dns issue that won't help. |
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| 00:59.19 | somiaj | silvertip257: maybe this will help, first google hit I got, http://www.checkupdown.com/status/E500.html |
| 00:59.39 | silvertip257 | Maybe I can have someone look over my sources.list ... since things changed a bit from lenny to squeeze > http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2011/05/msg00410.html |
| 00:59.52 | silvertip257 | I'll check that before pastebinning anything |
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| 01:00.03 | somiaj | wikipeida calls it a generic message when no more specific message is suitable. |
| 01:00.43 | silvertip257 | somiaj: I should be tcpdumping on my approx cache server ... /facepalm |
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| 01:03.33 | vlyalcin | hii to all, how can i add to first 3 page "i,ii,iii" and other with numbers in LibreOffice? |
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| 01:06.04 | diverdude | where do i find proxy_http_module for debian apache? |
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| 01:06.18 | somiaj | vlyalcin: #libreoffice may be more suited to your needs |
| 01:06.29 | somiaj | !tell diverdude about search |
| 01:06.55 | vlyalcin | somiaj: ok, thank you |
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| 01:13.18 | silvertip257 | somiaj: it's my approx caching server :( |
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| 01:18.00 | somiaj | silvertip257: well that means you know what the problem is |
| 01:18.12 | silvertip257 | eh ... where to start looking maybe :) |
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| 01:18.50 | HiDeHo | when i run an app like synaptic, gparted that uses root i get this http://pastebin.com/x7ty9UtS |
| 01:18.51 | silvertip257 | approx is sending the Error 500 back ... so now to see what the mirror is tossing to approx |
| 01:19.15 | HiDeHo | anyone can have complete access to my system its not good |
| 01:19.47 | somiaj | HiDeHo: do you type in 'sudo' before you run those commands |
| 01:20.07 | HiDeHo | no its when i am running the app themselves from the menu |
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| 01:20.29 | somiaj | the menu must use gtksu (form of sudo) |
| 01:20.35 | somiaj | do you ahve your user setu p to use sudo with out a password? |
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| 01:20.42 | HiDeHo | i would assume it would still prompt for password |
| 01:20.46 | mooglenorph | Hi. I'm looking for a program to display a big huge countdown timer, and play a configurable noise after the interval is over. |
| 01:21.04 | HiDeHo | Some_Person: no i would not intentionally do that |
| 01:21.21 | HiDeHo | * somiaj: ^ |
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| 01:21.35 | somiaj | HiDeHo: check your sudoers permissions |
| 01:21.48 | somiaj | HiDeHo: my guess is you have your user setup to not require password authentication for that |
| 01:21.48 | HiDeHo | somiaj: ok where do i do that |
| 01:22.07 | HiDeHo | is it soem automatic thing when i login once |
| 01:22.12 | somiaj | HiDeHo: cat /etc/sudoers as root, look for things that involve NOPASS |
| 01:22.21 | somiaj | HiDeHo: or you could be running xorg as root (which is also bad) |
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| 01:22.44 | _44Kbps_ | Hi all folks! |
| 01:23.04 | HiDeHo | $ id |
| 01:23.04 | HiDeHo | uid=1000(minty-lmde) gid=1000(minty-lmde) groups=1000(minty-lmde),27(sudo) |
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| 01:24.03 | _44Kbps_ | I'm on a little trouble: I'm running 64 bits's debian and I want to turn it to x86. It's a easy way? Thanks! |
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| 01:24.27 | Xdept | Reinstall |
| 01:24.45 | _44Kbps_ | NNNNOOO please! :) |
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| 01:25.45 | _44Kbps_ | Is not another way? |
| 01:25.57 | Xdept | Why would you want to anyway??? |
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| 01:26.34 | HiDeHo | somiaj: http://pastebin.com/qQ4RHYsA |
| 01:26.55 | HiDeHo | iu dont see anything there thats allarming |
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| 01:27.10 | codemonkey1337 | hey guys, it's me again. I'm having some problems with the nvidia driver and my xorg.conf file. I JUST installed the nvidia driver from the non-free repos and ran nvidia-xconfig, but when I restarted, I got a blank screen. Now I can't log in unless I go in recovery mode. My question is this, do I NEED xorg.conf file if I am only running one screen? |
| 01:27.24 | _44Kbps_ | It's not running openvz on 64bits |
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| 01:29.46 | kevlarman | codemonkey1337: yes |
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| 01:30.02 | kevlarman | codemonkey1337: when you're in recovery mode, lsmod|grep nouveau |
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| 01:31.01 | Xdept | _44Kbps_: Why do you need openvz? |
| 01:31.03 | codemonkey1337 | kevlarman: I'm not at home right now so I'll try it when I get home. I take it you want to go with the suggestion I read on the debian forums and blacklist nonvaeau? |
| 01:31.16 | kevlarman | yes |
| 01:31.24 | kevlarman | nvidia's driver can't work with kms |
| 01:31.43 | codemonkey1337 | what are kms? |
| 01:31.49 | codemonkey1337 | kernel module system? |
| 01:32.29 | codemonkey1337 | kevlarman: Nevermind, I looked it up on google. Thanks brah. |
| 01:32.30 | silvertip257 | * nouveau |
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| 01:33.01 | codemonkey1337 | I'll come back if I need more help, until then caio! |
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| 01:33.15 | Pancakez | _44Kbps_: it looks like there are 64bit openvz packages in the apt-repository? |
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| 01:34.58 | rick__ | I am begging for info on the best debian server distro.....I have had it with Centos |
| 01:35.31 | simonlnu | debian |
| 01:36.18 | teratoma | rick__: they call it 'debian' |
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| 01:37.47 | rick__ | LOL...I know that, but something prepackaged, that I can get this site up on in say 3 - 4 hours... |
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| 01:38.33 | rick__ | lamp server, nice and secured already.... |
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| 01:40.39 | _44Kbps_ | gggrrrr OpenVZ bugs!!!! |
| 01:41.20 | rick__ | Thats it? Build from scratch.....webserver, email, webmail, mysql....I'll be up all nite |
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| 01:42.31 | simonlnu | rick__: install webserver task when you're near the end of the installation. takes half hour 45 minutes tops. it'll ask a bunch of questions to config. |
| 01:43.41 | rick__ | install webserver task? |
| 01:44.03 | karsten | rick__: "tasks" are groups of dependencies. |
| 01:44.21 | karsten | rick__: the webserver task installs a bunch fo stuff you'll want for a webserver. |
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| 01:45.33 | rick__ | Is this documented anywhere? Or are these the dependencies that come with lamp packages |
| 01:46.20 | karsten | rick__: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/ch-pkgtools.en.html#s-tasksel |
| 01:46.24 | karsten | rick__: Yes, it is. |
| 01:46.36 | rick__ | tasksel... |
| 01:47.34 | karsten | rick__: 'tasksel --list-taks' shows tasks. ' ... --task-desc' describes. Or you can read the manpage yourself. |
| 01:47.50 | rick__ | looking at it now |
| 01:48.09 | rick__ | well...the link at least |
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| 01:49.02 | karsten | rick__: tasksel --task-packages web-server -> libapache2-mod-python apache2-doc libapache2-mod-php5 libapache2-mod-perl2 apache2-mpm-prefork analog |
| 01:49.41 | rick__ | sweet |
| 01:50.06 | karsten | Yes. rick__, meet a real, adult-beverage, sane package management system. |
| 01:50.12 | karsten | aptitude, meet rick__. |
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| 01:50.57 | karsten | rick__: Not sure what your prior history was, but Debian makes figuring otu what to install, and installing it, bog simple. Mostly. |
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| 01:51.10 | rick__ | well I am back at it then...gotta dust off my ol' debian net install cd somewhere |
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| 01:51.55 | rick__ | I use debian desktops primarily but always looked for the prepackaged rpm distros for servers |
| 01:52.24 | cooldude | hey guys, chow can i fix this: |
| 01:52.25 | Tau | hi. i have a project which i would like to let ppl download from apt-get etc. how can i do it? |
| 01:52.26 | cooldude | W: GPG error: http://security.debian.org squeeze/updates Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY AED4B06F473041FA |
| 01:52.30 | Tau | its in python. |
| 01:52.50 | Tau | which are the requirements for a software become part of debian package? |
| 01:53.18 | karsten | Tau: has to be nominated, has to be sponsored, has to be uploaded by a dd. |
| 01:53.30 | karsten | Tau: Also has to meet the DFSG and a few other tests. |
| 01:54.04 | Tau | karsten how long would it take until a given software pass through these steps? |
| 01:54.41 | karsten | Tau: it depends. |
| 01:54.51 | Tau | karsten at avarege? |
| 01:55.31 | karsten | Tau: I haven't been timing it. Could be a few weeks, could be years. Mostly depending on how badly someone wants to package it, and how much shoehorning it takes to get it in. |
| 01:55.41 | Tau | average* |
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| 01:56.10 | Tau | humm. i see. |
| 01:56.18 | karsten | cooldude: First make sure you've got the debian-archive-keyring and debian-keyring packages installed. |
| 01:56.36 | Tau | karsten do you know some dd? |
| 01:56.53 | karsten | cooldude: If they're installed and you don't find that key, you'll want to fetch it and verify that it's sane, then add it to your apt-key keyring. |
| 01:57.02 | Tau | which is available on irc to talk. |
| 01:57.27 | karsten | Tau: join #debian-devel either here or on oftc. |
| 01:57.37 | cooldude | karsten, -nods- |
| 01:57.58 | Tau | karsten it says i must be invited in order to join debian-devel. |
| 01:58.17 | karsten | cooldude: gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-key <keyid>; gpg --list-sigs <keyid>; gpg --armor --export <keyid> | apt-key add - |
| 01:58.34 | karsten | Tau: Hrm. |
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| 02:01.41 | rick__ | Ok so, taskel will install ftp server, sql server, mail, etc from the same "task" or are each of these separate tasks |
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| 02:02.13 | dark|angel | have there been any important security issues lately with debian? |
| 02:02.38 | nsadmin | !bts |
| 02:02.38 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. See also <apt-listbugs>, <reportbug>. http://wiki.debian.org/HowtoUseBTS |
| 02:04.11 | karsten | gravity: Ping. You awake? |
| 02:04.58 | simonlnu | rick__: individual tasks have different sets of packages. so you have stuff like web server, dns server, database server, etc. |
| 02:05.29 | rick__ | I see.... |
| 02:06.03 | rick__ | custom built |
| 02:06.08 | simonlnu | or you can do it by hand, which takes like 5 minutes to choose and install |
| 02:06.29 | rick__ | Oh, I am gonna do it, no guts no glory....lol |
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| 02:06.45 | digitalirony | sup |
| 02:06.50 | vbrummond | ello |
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| 02:06.57 | digitalirony | anyone wanna try to help me fix an issue: bt_audio_service_open: connect() failed: Connection refused (111) |
| 02:06.57 | nsadmin | dark|angel, bts, -and- look at www.debian.org |
| 02:07.01 | rick__ | just little confused |
| 02:07.13 | digitalirony | I am trying as both root and non root users |
| 02:07.18 | digitalirony | neither works, and it used to work |
| 02:07.25 | digitalirony | (I am on wheezy) |
| 02:07.47 | digitalirony | I can ping the device with l2ping |
| 02:08.06 | nsadmin | digitalirony, connection refused can mean: service is not running on that port... or, router inbetween denied |
| 02:08.18 | digitalirony | yes I know what it means lol |
| 02:08.36 | digitalirony | in this case its not a remote service, its the local bluetooth daemon |
| 02:08.43 | nsadmin | ok, so you know more than you told... so, I request you be a sicco! |
| 02:08.46 | nsadmin | !sicco |
| 02:08.50 | dpkg | Please ask sicco questions, questions that are Specific, Informative, Concise, Complete, and On-topic. Ask me about <research> and <cooperation in asking for help>. |
| 02:09.28 | digitalirony | nsadmin: no, I just assumed anyone reading that would know its not a remote socket.... |
| 02:09.29 | lynks | i think my conky weather ticker is broken, unless we have 270km/h winds outside... |
| 02:09.55 | nsadmin | assume makes ass of u & me |
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| 02:10.11 | dark|angel | have there been any important security issues lately with debian 6? |
| 02:10.13 | digitalirony | nsadmin: if you don't know, don't answer |
| 02:10.38 | nsadmin | dark|angel, bts, www.debian.org (second time) |
| 02:10.53 | dark|angel | nsadmin what is bts? |
| 02:11.09 | silvertip257 | dark|angel: http://security.debian.org/ |
| 02:11.25 | nsadmin | scroll up and see... or /msg dpkg bts |
| 02:11.51 | nsadmin | yeah, look at silvertip257's link too |
| 02:12.52 | nsadmin | digitalirony, so, you're showing both mild hostility and also failing to show /msg dpkg cooperation in asking for help |
| 02:13.16 | nsadmin | so, rewind, restart, try again, thanks for playing |
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| 02:14.21 | nsadmin | \specifically, you seem to have entitlement issues |
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| 02:15.45 | digitalirony | Hello. I am trying to get bluetooth audio to work on my system. I am running wheezy. The error I am seeing is: bt_audio_service_open: connect() failed: Connection refused (111). This used to work on squeeze with my current setup. I can connect to the device using l2ping as previously stated. So this is not a socket issue. This will not work as root, or non root user. The device is paired. |
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| 02:16.29 | digitalirony | If you need to know more ask. As I have no way of know what you, or anyone else does and doesn't know about the issue. I am not psychic and have provided the details that I see as being related. |
| 02:16.58 | digitalirony | If you want I can copy all of my config files to a pastebin? |
| 02:17.20 | digitalirony | for the whole system. Or you could play the question and answer game that seems to work best when troubleshooting a device |
| 02:17.27 | laptunovic | hi |
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| 02:19.07 | nsadmin | what port is it trying to connect to? Thanks for being more specific, and informative. the benefit you gain is more people become available to help when they see what you're asking about, and can make a snap judgement whether they can or can't help... anyway, the next thing that would help is to know exactly what is saying "connection refused"... if it's on your machine, is it a tcp port? or a udp port? What other than those two can say connection |
| 02:19.07 | nsadmin | refused? |
| 02:19.22 | digitalirony | nsadmin: its not a port |
| 02:19.26 | digitalirony | its a unix socket |
| 02:19.42 | laptunovic | socks 5? |
| 02:20.04 | digitalirony | o.0 |
| 02:20.12 | nsadmin | ok, hmm. can you come up with a c or other language program that just tries to connect? |
| 02:20.19 | digitalirony | yes |
| 02:20.21 | digitalirony | l2ping |
| 02:20.25 | digitalirony | it works.... |
| 02:20.40 | digitalirony | the issue is when I try to use an audio player |
| 02:20.45 | digitalirony | such as audacious |
| 02:20.47 | digitalirony | or a browser |
| 02:21.22 | nsadmin | right, so my initial guess is l2 ping and the players use two different calls to connect to the socket |
| 02:21.41 | digitalirony | your right |
| 02:21.46 | digitalirony | audio players will use in my case alsa |
| 02:21.56 | digitalirony | to connect via the bluetooth module for alsa |
| 02:21.57 | laptunovic | anyone use debian with lxde? |
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| 02:22.08 | laptunovic | is good |
| 02:22.09 | nsadmin | the point of the program, is to insert code that is more informative... it's possible you can get more info right after the open call |
| 02:22.17 | nsadmin | and/or after the other calls |
| 02:22.31 | digitalirony | I can strace it... |
| 02:22.47 | nsadmin | that sounds good |
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| 02:23.06 | wonderworld | hi, i updated from lenny to squeeze and realized afterwards that cryptoloop support has been dropped in squeeze. i used to mount a twofish-partition with cryptoloop before. how can i access this device in squeeze? |
| 02:23.08 | digitalirony | but it doesn't provide much thats relevant |
| 02:23.13 | laptunovic | What know backtrack? |
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| 02:23.45 | laptunovic | What think? |
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| 02:24.10 | nsadmin | good point... can you build an unstripped l2ping and trace thru gdb? |
| 02:24.26 | digitalirony | maybe |
| 02:24.26 | nsadmin | oh, and with gcc (...) -g (...) |
| 02:24.45 | digitalirony | but thats a lot of crap, when I have a feeling its much simpler than that |
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| 02:25.27 | nsadmin | then you can do all the cool things like backtrace and see the symbols instead of uninformative numeric addresses :) |
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| 02:26.13 | nsadmin | it should take some setup calls in front of the open... you could insert logging code there |
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| 02:27.22 | nsadmin | if the sockets are special files, make sure they exist and are connected |
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| 02:27.58 | nsadmin | bah, I know you're also thinking there's gotta be a better, easier way |
| 02:28.26 | nsadmin | and, the error message is quite uninformative other than to say what happenbed |
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| 02:31.32 | digitalirony | yeah, I know its not very informative |
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| 02:31.55 | digitalirony | but, really hell. It has to be a configuration issue somewhere |
| 02:32.03 | nsadmin | so I'm going all in the direction of how can we squeeze more info out of it |
| 02:32.09 | digitalirony | would be nice to talk to some one who knows it all very well |
| 02:32.15 | digitalirony | yeah |
| 02:32.18 | digitalirony | I can try it later |
| 02:32.21 | digitalirony | I am at work now |
| 02:32.22 | nsadmin | #alsa? |
| 02:32.31 | digitalirony | and kinda pissed I can't get my audio to work while I work lol |
| 02:32.34 | digitalirony | I am in there |
| 02:32.35 | Mr_Queue | digitalirony: did you step up from squeeze or install Wheezy? |
| 02:32.41 | digitalirony | I will see if anyone answers in alsa |
| 02:32.57 | nsadmin | you may have to idle for awhile |
| 02:33.13 | digitalirony | Mr_Queue: I did a brand new install of squeeze(was only disc I had lol), and then upgraded to wheezey |
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| 02:33.43 | nsadmin | inshort, he Squeezyed |
| 02:33.49 | Mr_Queue | lol.. |
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| 02:34.19 | digitalirony | yeah |
| 02:34.20 | digitalirony | lol |
| 02:34.29 | DanTheBeastMan | hello. |
| 02:34.31 | digitalirony | Mr_Queue: whats up bro...hows work |
| 02:34.56 | Mr_Queue | digitalirony: how it is.. I'll let you know elsewhere about today.. :D |
| 02:35.02 | digitalirony | lolol |
| 02:35.03 | digitalirony | k |
| 02:35.18 | lynks | im trying to get LAN windows hostnames to resolve, I have installed winbind, but host <ip> still just comes back with a bunch of stuff that contains the MAC address |
| 02:35.30 | nsadmin | digitalirony, additionally, there is another source of info... #debian-next on oftc |
| 02:35.44 | digitalirony | I will try them when I get home |
| 02:35.49 | digitalirony | I don't need to fuck with this too much at work |
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| 02:36.36 | Mr_Queue | digitalirony: Have you just tried removing it all together and reinstalling? Perhaps it was borked in the step up to testing?/ |
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| 02:37.00 | digitalirony | Mr_Queue: yes |
| 02:37.16 | Mr_Queue | luks got me like that from lenny to squeeze with lvm.. |
| 02:37.31 | digitalirony | yeah luks is tricky |
| 02:38.35 | silvertip257 | abrotman: I have a preseed question, do you have a moment? |
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| 02:39.17 | Mr_Queue | abrotman: might have a trick up his sleeve on this issue digitalirony.. He's been a wizard in the past. :D |
| 02:39.43 | Mr_Queue | He's really a bot that eats man pages for breakfast. :D |
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| 02:40.04 | nsadmin | he travels in time? |
| 02:40.04 | Mr_Queue | And prints bug reports for bathroom reading material... haha |
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| 02:41.04 | Mr_Queue | His coffee table book consists of the debian wiki. |
| 02:41.33 | Crypticfortune | Arrr, how can I disable the power button on my keyboard (in wheezy atm)? I don't even know what's responding to that key...it doesn't seem to require gnome... |
| 02:42.11 | Crypticfortune | The cats key stepping on it and shutting everything down... >_<;; |
| 02:42.21 | Crypticfortune | s/key/keep/ |
| 02:42.48 | silvertip257 | ties the cat's legs together with twine ;) |
| 02:44.36 | Crypticfortune | awww, i like my cats more than that =P |
| 02:45.59 | DanTheBeastMan | hey how can I change my window manager without losing my X session? |
| 02:47.03 | rick__ | firmware issues......aaarrrggghhhh |
| 02:47.41 | rick__ | "new motherboard"...non-free firmware...lol story of my life |
| 02:48.17 | Crypticfortune | Ahhh, it was ACPI. killing the /etc/acpi/powerbtn-acpi-support.sh fixed it ^^ |
| 02:49.09 | Crypticfortune | rick__: i know how that feels. worse when trying on *install* for the first time on a new motherboard... |
| 02:49.39 | Crypticfortune | go grab firmware-foo.bin on a USB stick, nope, now needs firmware-bar.bin.... =/ |
| 02:49.49 | rick__ | worst part about it is I bought 2 of these suckers |
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| 02:50.55 | Vasistha | DanTheBeastMan: I don't think that's possible |
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| 02:51.51 | amphi | DanTheBeastMan: some WMs support the --replace argument |
| 02:51.55 | Crypticfortune | Then I discovered the installer with non-free firmware prepackaged, and it made me happy http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/ |
| 02:53.01 | rick__ | Thanks.... |
| 02:53.33 | rick__ | 4th install of the nite....LOL |
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| 02:55.37 | rick__ | Once a person has completely created, a server that does the job he needs done. How can one make an iso image of it? |
| 02:56.47 | Kamping_Kaiser | you'd make a hard disk image rather then an iso |
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| 02:56.57 | Crypticfortune | rick__: I think what you want is http://wiki.debian.org/AutomatedInstallation |
| 02:57.59 | Crypticfortune | !automated install |
| 02:58.00 | dpkg | Fully Automatic Installation (FAI) is an automated tool to install or deploy Debian GNU/Linux (and other distributions) on a bunch of different hosts or a cluster. It is more flexible than tools like <kickstart> (Red Hat), autoyast and alice (SuSE) or jumpstart (Oracle Solaris). FAI can also be used for configuration management of a running system. http://fai-project.org/ #fai on irc.oftc.net. |
| 02:58.51 | Kamping_Kaiser | probably more along the lines of clonezilla and its ilk by the sound of it |
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| 03:00.55 | rick__ | I just host websites, offer email, etc. been running SME server for years, just ran, right outta the package, but distro has been stuck in beta now for couple years |
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| 03:01.28 | rick__ | tried it on production server and am having issues, so quest to find something else |
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| 03:04.24 | rick__ | anything out there other than webmin for admin purposes? |
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| 03:08.24 | Vasistha | !webmin |
| 03:08.24 | dpkg | Webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Removed from Debian post-Sarge, see http://bugs.debian.org/343897 . The Debian package from webmin.com is of poor quality. See <free whcp> for alternatives. |
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| 03:08.43 | Vasistha | !tell rick__ about free whcp |
| 03:09.09 | rick__ | looking it up...thanks |
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| 03:11.03 | rick__ | hmmm...womens health care providers....not much on free whcp..on google |
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| 03:11.28 | Kamping_Kaiser | rick__: ask the bot... |
| 03:11.32 | Kamping_Kaiser | dpkg: free whcp |
| 03:11.32 | dpkg | FOSS Web Hosting Control Panels include: <DTC>, <GNUPanel>, <ISPConfig> and <ispCP> Omega. Don't use <Webmin>. http://wiki.debian.org/HostingControlPanels |
| 03:12.03 | Kamping_Kaiser | i thought ebox was in that space too |
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| 03:13.18 | rick__ | wow, bunch of them...tried ISPconfig...wasn't too thrilled |
| 03:13.56 | Kamping_Kaiser | hm, ebox is renamed. i seem to be mr current affairs |
| 03:13.58 | somiaj | if you want a consumer product, PLESK is popular with vps providers. |
| 03:16.00 | rick__ | well this oughta keep me busy for awhile |
| 03:16.18 | rick__ | Plesk pretty expensive? |
| 03:16.49 | somiaj | rick__: check their website, they have various licensings models. |
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| 03:34.17 | skilz | Is there a command to search my whole filesystem for a file name? say file1.foo ?? |
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| 03:34.40 | Alam_Squeeze | skilz: find / -name "fil1.foo" |
| 03:35.50 | skilz | Awesome, thanks |
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| 03:47.50 | nas | ddoes blogtv work for anyone here? |
| 03:48.38 | Lesterwood | basically, my dream is to become a intellectual and a academic, and pay my debt to society |
| 03:50.05 | zykotick9 | skilz: for searching filenames with grep, using -i for case Insensitive is really handy |
| 03:50.26 | zykotick9 | skilz: -iname for find directly |
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| 03:52.48 | rick__ | Lesterwood> what debt? |
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| 03:54.46 | Bartzy | Hi |
| 03:55.00 | Bartzy | In grub-set-default, how do I know the entry number I want ? |
| 03:55.05 | nas | hello? |
| 03:55.19 | Bartzy | I don't want to reboot and check.. can I see the list when the OS is already booted ? |
| 03:55.29 | Lesterwood | rick__, |
| 03:55.29 | zykotick9 | Bartzy: i know it starts from 0 and recovery stuff counts |
| 03:55.44 | Lesterwood | if you aren't going to contribute to society you should get out |
| 03:55.46 | Lesterwood | it is that simple |
| 03:56.40 | vbrummond | Lesterwood: you sound like someone who should live in japan |
| 03:56.48 | vbrummond | please go move there |
| 03:56.53 | Lesterwood | >japan |
| 03:56.54 | Lesterwood | no |
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| 03:56.55 | rick__ | hmmm...not very intellectual |
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| 04:00.56 | Lesterwood | oh yes my other dream is to have a entire room full of guns and ammo |
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| 04:12.48 | stack | hello, for bringing up a firewall should I put a rule like ip6tables-restore < /etc/firewall/firewall6.conf in pre-up interfaces rule ? or is there a more good way? |
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| 04:22.13 | rick__ | what database installs during the database install off the net install? I didn't get a look at it |
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| 04:31.44 | sekyourbox | Where do I find theme upgrades? |
| 04:31.55 | sekyourbox | The defualts are all a little hard to see |
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| 04:32.38 | vbrummond | sekyourbox: gnome/kde/xfce? hard to see? also you can find gtk2 engines and themes in synaptic assuming you use gnome, also look at gnome-look.org |
| 04:32.49 | somiaj | rick__: you can look up the task you installed, or just 'dpkg -l | grep sql' |
| 04:33.00 | sekyourbox | vbrummond: what is the bestist? |
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| 04:33.20 | vbrummond | sekyourbox: only the penitent man shall pass |
| 04:33.21 | sekyourbox | I have a 5870 video card |
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| 04:33.41 | vbrummond | whatever you want, i suggest gnome ;) |
| 04:33.51 | sekyourbox | good, I'm on gnome |
| 04:33.53 | sekyourbox | :D |
| 04:34.00 | vbrummond | enjoy |
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| 04:34.12 | sekyourbox | kDE reminds me too much of old school mac |
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| 04:34.22 | nsadmin | what is a bestist? |
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| 04:34.43 | sekyourbox | Any cool graphics hacks for gnome out there? |
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| 04:35.00 | sekyourbox | Any cool useless stuff |
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| 04:35.17 | sekyourbox | is freenode being attacked again? |
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| 04:35.52 | sekyourbox | wasn't there something that made the desktop a cube or something? |
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| 04:36.08 | LtL | sekyourbox: compiz |
| 04:36.13 | sekyourbox | Thats it! |
| 04:36.18 | sekyourbox | anything newer than that? |
| 04:36.54 | vbrummond | sekyourbox: you might want to just do a google search for stuff, its mostly 'what you like' all we can do is get you started hence pointing out compiz |
| 04:37.00 | sekyourbox | I'm usually in terminal, so I need something to get rid of the boring |
| 04:37.22 | sekyourbox | vbrummond: is compiz the newest graphics add on? |
| 04:37.29 | sekyourbox | or is there something else also? |
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| 04:37.49 | vbrummond | compiz is a compositing window manager for adding eye candy, its good if you use gnome 2 |
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| 04:39.00 | sekyourbox | 2.30.2 |
| 04:40.55 | vbrummond | sekyourbox: here is some info http://wiki.debian.org/Compiz |
| 04:40.58 | zykotick9 | sekyourbox: if you are installing compiz on gnome2, be sure to include the compiz-gnome package (it sometimes doesn't get installed and can cause unneeded issues) |
| 04:41.22 | sekyourbox | Thanks! |
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| 04:41.57 | sekyourbox | should I stick with 1 package manager? aptitude? or apt-get? |
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| 04:42.20 | vbrummond | sekyourbox: whatever you like better, i think apt-get is better overall, though aptitude has a graphical mode |
| 04:43.36 | zykotick9 | sekyourbox: i use aptitude (non-graphical) for two reasons: 1) it can offer alternatives 2) safe-upgrade (for testing/unstable) - but it's gone quasi-unmaintained (though that's recently changed) for a while. |
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| 04:44.04 | sekyourbox | that is what I was thinking. I always forget to maintain my packages with aptitude |
| 04:44.52 | zykotick9 | sekyourbox: breaking my tendency to type apt-get .. err backspace .. aptitude took a while to break ;) |
| 04:45.22 | nsadmin | !why aptitude |
| 04:45.23 | Axanon | I have been having issues with apt-get update. Please see: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/551228/ how can I fix this? |
| 04:45.23 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution and will often find a solution where apt-get gives up. It can be used from the command line like apt-get plus an interactive resolver makes it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. It has advanced search capabilities (see <aptitude search>). For some upgrades, apt-get is preferred (e.g. lenny->squeeze). Read the release notes and http://tinyurl.com/3g4d4d9. |
| 04:47.06 | rmacd | Axanon: Doesn't exist on the hosts you've got in sources.list. Please set up sources.list with fresh mirrors. |
| 04:47.51 | rmacd | Axanon: Or just remove 'updates' after your squeeze entry. |
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| 04:48.40 | rmacd | Axanon: On the deb-src line, that is. You don't really need the deb-src entries anyway, unless you're downloading package sources. |
| 04:48.49 | Axanon | when I change the mirror I want to use, i get the same error |
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| 04:49.53 | Axanon | ok, thanks.. got rid of the 'sources' entry :) |
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| 04:50.15 | nsadmin | so uwaterloo doesn't seem to have sources... you could switch mirrors |
| 04:50.38 | rmacd | Axanon: You can safely get rid of each deb-src line - if you don't know what they are, you don't need them. |
| 04:50.48 | Axanon | I don't need the sources anyways- though uwaterloo isn't the only canadian repo with that problem |
| 04:51.10 | nsadmin | oh, same error? then it must be a regurgitated-from-lenny line that doesn't work any more? |
| 04:51.27 | rmacd | Axanon: Sweet. Well that should get rid of the 404 :) |
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| 04:51.41 | Axanon | it did, thanks |
| 04:51.48 | nsadmin | let's see, |
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| 04:54.05 | geoffc_ | I'm net booting a xenserver VM into a debian installer that was working in January, but now is telling me the current kernel doesn't support the logical volume manager… and I'm not sure on next steps for debugging what's going on in the installer |
| 04:55.08 | geoffc_ | My pre seeding sends the VM to download install components from my apt-cacher instance, so I can see it has downloaded an lvm2-deb udeb, and some partman udebs |
| 04:55.38 | geoffc_ | but I don't know if they installed correctly, or what udebs are installed, or why the error message suggests I need to load the lvm-mod module |
| 04:57.43 | geoffc_ | oh, found http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2012/01/msg00340.html, which looks like it's relevant. |
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| 05:00.45 | langkid1 | I changed hosts |
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| 05:01.13 | langkid1 | Is there a app to search the file system? |
| 05:01.34 | sekyourbox | Are shell commands locked down by default? I'm trying to install guest additions and I get : bash: /media/cdrom0/VBoxLinuxAdditions.run: Permission denied |
| 05:01.37 | langkid1 | I'm looking for OpenSSL on a custom kernel system from my VPS host and I can't find it (and neither can my programs that need it) |
| 05:01.46 | HiDeHo | Hi I am looking for a great widget handler, i want a set of widgets to disply system processes, gmail etc etc similar to conky |
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| 05:03.00 | sekyourbox | hmm, nevermind, It appears that the read permissions are fubared |
| 05:03.17 | geoffc_ | langkid1: I'd try 'locate' |
| 05:03.41 | langkid1 | thanks |
| 05:03.50 | geoffc_ | langkid1: you might need to do something to install it (or a variant), and kick of it's initial indexing of your files |
| 05:04.15 | langkid1 | actually with the regex 'openssl' it worked instantly |
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| 05:07.44 | HiDeHo | do i need to install all the debian64 bit stuff from this site to get wine running in debian testing http://dev.carbon-project.org/debian/wine-unstable/ |
| 05:08.10 | somiaj | HiDeHo: are you using amd64 or i386? |
| 05:08.38 | HiDeHo | somiaj: i said ^ debian 64 bit |
| 05:08.55 | somiaj | HiDeHo: so then download the amd64 packages |
| 05:09.08 | somiaj | HiDeHo: and installing them all should be fine |
| 05:09.17 | HiDeHo | somiaj: so i need all of them then |
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| 05:09.43 | somiaj | HiDeHo: probably not, but if you don't nkow if you need it, having it won't hurt |
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| 05:10.14 | somiaj | HiDeHo: for example you probabaly don't need libwine-dev if you aren't going to compile software, if you don't need it to print, use oss sound, etc you dont need those extra libs. (But I'm unsure of any dependencies) |
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| 05:11.57 | HiDeHo | ok somiaj that clears things i will get them all |
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| 05:12.45 | sekyourbox | Do I need to be logged-in as root to load kernel modules (vbox additions)? Cant I just change the executable flag or something? |
| 05:14.05 | sekyourbox | http://virtualboxes.org/doc/installing-guest-additions-on-debian/ |
| 05:14.16 | sekyourbox | I dont think this is the "proper" way to do it |
| 05:15.56 | zykotick9 | apt-cacher vs apt-cacher-ng question, i love being able to set the proxy during install to the current apt-cacher-ng address (same as a single line edit to apt.conf). Yet the guides I have read all direct to manually editing sources.list - can apt-cacher not function in this same "proxy" fashion? |
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| 05:21.03 | sekyourbox | I dont get it. Why do I need to be logged in as root to run a shell .run command from a CD rom drive? It says the execute flag is set |
| 05:21.12 | sekyourbox | I drag and drop it into a cruft with SUDO Root |
| 05:21.17 | sekyourbox | permission denied |
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| 05:23.09 | somiaj | sekyourbox: by default cdroms mounts have the noexec flag |
| 05:23.15 | sekyourbox | really? |
| 05:23.31 | somiaj | skyjumper: yes, so you just have to mount it manually with the exec flag |
| 05:23.36 | sekyourbox | when I look at the "permissions its owner root, X allow |
| 05:23.59 | somiaj | skyjumper: check either /etc/fstab or what ever automounter you use |
| 05:24.18 | somiaj | skyjumper: 'man mount' search for 'noexec' this prevents the file system from having exec privlages despite what the file primisions are |
| 05:24.24 | sekyourbox | me? |
| 05:24.29 | sekyourbox | sekyourbox: ? |
| 05:24.34 | somiaj | sekyourbox: ^^ |
| 05:24.37 | somiaj | skyjumper: sorry...:( |
| 05:24.39 | sekyourbox | :D |
| 05:25.35 | somiaj | sekyourbox: but yes 'man mount' then type '/noexec' and hit enter, that is what goes on with cddrives for many default mout setups |
| 05:25.40 | nubcake | good morning, i'm trying to remove all | in a file using sed, but i can't seem to find the char i have to use for | in my sed string.. any idea what character i have to use? (btw excuse my bad english please..) |
| 05:26.12 | sekyourbox | I see the noexec, where is the yesexec? |
| 05:26.38 | sekyourbox | oh |
| 05:26.39 | sekyourbox | nvmd |
| 05:27.05 | kevlarman | somiaj: really? noexec? |
| 05:27.39 | sekyourbox | strage that it shows up as X allowed though |
| 05:28.05 | somiaj | kevlarman: did I miss his problem? |
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| 05:28.24 | somiaj | sekyourbox: maybe I missunderstood you. |
| 05:28.28 | kevlarman | gnome asking users to set +x on something on a cd drive is bad enough, having cd's noexec by default is just insane to me |
| 05:29.18 | sekyourbox | kevlarman: It looks like they did the opposite.. +x is set, and now its just noexec |
| 05:29.26 | sekyourbox | :/ |
| 05:29.48 | sekyourbox | Which I would assume is just a parent permission, but I guess not |
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| 05:31.35 | sekyourbox | What is an easy way to remember/query what you want to mount? |
| 05:31.50 | sekyourbox | cdr0 is what I want? |
| 05:32.00 | sekyourbox | I always forget |
| 05:32.32 | somiaj | sekyourbox: I have udev link it to /dev/cdrom so I don't have to |
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| 05:32.56 | somiaj | sekyourbox: you may have a /dev/cdrom1 or something like that link |
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| 05:34.05 | sekyourbox | /media/cdrom0 |
| 05:34.12 | sekyourbox | when I check in the gui |
| 05:34.42 | somiaj | sekyourbox: no this is a udev link, you could also type 'mount' or 'df' to see what the device is named and where it is mounted |
| 05:34.50 | somiaj | sekyourbox: if you type mount you will also see if it has the noexec option or not |
| 05:34.58 | somiaj | (should have just had you do that first) |
| 05:35.44 | sekyourbox | why is noexec on /proc |
| 05:35.59 | sekyourbox | oh, nevermind |
| 05:35.59 | lstarnes | sekyourbox: nothng in /proc should be executable |
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| 05:36.24 | sekyourbox | /dev/sr0 on /media/cdrom0 type iso9660 (ro,noexec,nosuid,nodev,user=d) |
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| 05:36.54 | kevlarman | sekyourbox: mount -oremount,exec /media/cdrom0 |
| 05:37.20 | somiaj | ok I was correct about the noexec, though kevlarman saw something I overlooked. (: |
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| 05:38.13 | sekyourbox | You appear to have a version of the VBoxGuestAdditions software |
| 05:38.13 | sekyourbox | on your system which was installed from a different source or using a |
| 05:38.18 | sekyourbox | hah |
| 05:38.22 | sekyourbox | wonder how that happened |
| 05:38.48 | kevlarman | sekyourbox: debian installs them by default if it detects it's inside vbox |
| 05:39.07 | sekyourbox | Oh well, I got this far, I'm using theirs |
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| 05:39.21 | sekyourbox | Thanks for the help guys |
| 05:41.18 | kevlarman | somiaj: whoever thought noexec cdroms by default were a good idea needs to be forced to use nothing but windows software using only gnome (no shells allowed) for a few months :P |
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| 05:42.57 | somiaj | kevlarman: debian does it by default to |
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| 05:43.19 | somiaj | kevlarman: http://wiki.debian.org/fstab -- noexec is included in 'user' which is common on cdrom mount points. |
| 05:43.57 | somiaj | since the common options for a cdrom drive is user,noauto |
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| 05:44.34 | kevlarman | i thought the common thing these days was to have udev mount cdroms |
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| 05:45.02 | somiaj | actually maybe, I still use fstab. I don't like automounters |
| 05:45.19 | kevlarman | somiaj: i don't like cdroms :P |
| 05:45.25 | somiaj | either way that is what hit me a while ago, is the noexec included in the 'user' |
| 05:45.32 | rick__ | 403 forbidden, Mootools outta chicago server? |
| 05:46.07 | kevlarman | if i had a usb stick i could format my box still wouldn't have a cd drive plugged in |
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| 05:48.20 | kevlarman | somiaj: speaking of automounters |
| 05:48.52 | kevlarman | i was pretty horrified the first time i saw gnome try to respect the autoexec of a cdrom |
| 05:49.33 | somiaj | I want windows to see the second partition on my usb thumb drive (The first partition is a debian-live boot image) |
| 05:50.32 | somiaj | kevlarman: I just don't see the point, how common are linux cd's with autorun scripts... |
| 05:50.51 | somiaj | probably pipes it though wine. |
| 05:51.26 | kevlarman | somiaj: it wasn't a linux cd |
| 05:52.05 | somiaj | kevlarman: yea that is why I said I don't see the point. Here lets try to run some binaries that are most likely not native to this system. |
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| 05:52.31 | kevlarman | somiaj: also gnome will refuse to run said binaries if you double click on them |
| 05:52.33 | kevlarman | :D |
| 05:53.15 | kevlarman | (they aren't +x, so i should tell the user to set them +x even though it's a readonly fs) |
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| 05:56.34 | TashBear | !hi |
| 05:56.34 | dpkg | hello, tashbear |
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| 05:57.50 | molavy | hi |
| 05:57.55 | molavy | i want run something like google docs and Spreadsheets on local server for an office, is there any open source app that let me have Collaboration |
| 05:58.15 | TashBear | does Xemacs has any non-free dependency? |
| 05:58.30 | nsadmin | kevlarman, and, if it's read only, how will they make that change? |
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| 05:59.27 | kevlarman | nsadmin: http://static.fjcdn.com/comments/Here+you+go+_13acb23c760a88a5fd38ae02ba10bdf9.jpg |
| 05:59.34 | nsadmin | molavy, try openacs (and openacs.org if you need pro setup) |
| 06:00.22 | nsadmin | openacs is for big sites and if you're looking to do anything custom there is a serious learning curve |
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| 06:02.32 | LinuxApprentice | ahoooooooooooooy |
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| 06:03.55 | nsadmin | kevlarman, I see... so you're saying your intent is to have them try to change perms on a read-only system as some kind of joke? |
| 06:05.01 | nsadmin | "Haha! you can't do it and you don't even know why!" |
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| 06:13.15 | molavy | no , i just want browser based Microsoft office |
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| 06:53.55 | anisfarhana | hello :) |
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| 06:54.05 | anisfarhana | Is it possible for me to install swftools via apt-get? |
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| 06:55.51 | nsadmin | , versions swftools |
| 06:55.52 | judd | No package named 'swftools' was found in i386. |
| 06:56.02 | nsadmin | not by that name |
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| 06:56.28 | anisfarhana | nsadmin: any idea what is the name then sir? |
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| 07:01.04 | _monaster_ | http://linuxappfinder.com/package/swftools |
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| 07:01.17 | _monaster_ | says there are reps available |
| 07:01.26 | _monaster_ | deb pakgages |
| 07:01.44 | _monaster_ | I doubt its in apt-get |
| 07:01.44 | nsadmin | try googling for swf, swftools |
| 07:01.52 | _monaster_ | I allready did |
| 07:02.40 | vbrummond | swftools is in sid: http://packages.debian.org/sid/swftools |
| 07:02.49 | _monaster_ | yes |
| 07:03.02 | vbrummond | oh wait |
| 07:03.03 | vbrummond | nvm |
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| 07:03.09 | vbrummond | its only for m86k |
| 07:03.11 | somiaj | but only for very paticular ports |
| 07:03.13 | vbrummond | so its not |
| 07:03.26 | _monaster_ | how about the deb |
| 07:03.29 | _monaster_ | ? |
| 07:03.32 | nsadmin | probably because it won't build? |
| 07:03.36 | vbrummond | no sources for it either |
| 07:04.00 | nsadmin | which automatically puts it in non-free |
| 07:04.18 | _monaster_ | deb seems non-free |
| 07:04.41 | nsadmin | no, non-free is not officially any part of debian |
| 07:04.56 | _monaster_ | of course not |
| 07:04.58 | nsadmin | only the actual free stuff is really a part of it |
| 07:05.03 | _monaster_ | or any decent linux |
| 07:05.35 | _monaster_ | gnu |
| 07:05.42 | _monaster_ | toolset |
| 07:06.16 | gnarface | i think, _monaster_, that you're overlooking the difference between "free as in beer" and "free as in speech" |
| 07:06.19 | nsadmin | no comment about "any decent linux" as only debian is on topic here, and within that, only support |
| 07:06.22 | _monaster_ | if you want free flash install chrome |
| 07:06.42 | _monaster_ | the deb is free |
| 07:06.54 | nsadmin | which deb? |
| 07:07.13 | anisfarhana | blinks |
| 07:07.17 | nsadmin | the one without source? no source -causes- it to be nonfree |
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| 07:07.32 | _monaster_ | http://packages.debian.org/sid/utils/swftools |
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| 07:07.47 | _monaster_ | its fgree as in beer |
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| 07:08.00 | gnarface | no, _monaster_ for it to be "free" in debian terms to qualify for being in "main" instead of "contrib" or "non-free" it has to be not only free to download, but the source code must also be freely available, and it must be licenced under a FSF approved free software license |
| 07:08.09 | Someguy123 | guys... why is the mysql logs blank on my servers? |
| 07:08.10 | _monaster_ | not free as in linux toolchain system |
| 07:08.11 | gnarface | aka "free as in speech" |
| 07:08.15 | vbrummond | wikipedia says swftools is gpl |
| 07:08.30 | Someguy123 | my friends server recently got exploited, and his mysql logs were all blank when I was trying to help him find out the issue |
| 07:08.32 | vbrummond | dunno if its patented or whatever though |
| 07:08.34 | _monaster_ | is chrome free |
| 07:08.35 | Someguy123 | it's the same on my own secured server o-O |
| 07:08.40 | gnarface | _monaster_: no, it also has to not *rely* on any non-free software, or any patent-encumbered technology |
| 07:08.55 | _monaster_ | maybe the author forgot to include source cod |
| 07:09.10 | gnarface | maybe so. maybe you should send him an email and remind him. |
| 07:09.14 | gnarface | he or she |
| 07:09.14 | _monaster_ | that happens from time to time |
| 07:09.16 | vbrummond | i notice a lot of packages for unofficial arches dont have source |
| 07:09.23 | _monaster_ | indeed! |
| 07:09.28 | nsadmin | if it does not have source, it's non-free. if it does have source, whether it's free depends on other things |
| 07:09.30 | vbrummond | btw, it built fine on squeeze |
| 07:09.37 | Someguy123 | so does anyone know why mysql logs are all blank on debian by default? |
| 07:09.53 | gnarface | Someguy123: they only log trauma by default. |
| 07:09.58 | nsadmin | how did it get listed on p.d.o? |
| 07:10.18 | Someguy123 | gnarface how would you turn up the verbosity then? |
| 07:10.25 | vbrummond | built a deb and it seems to work ;) |
| 07:10.41 | nsadmin | aha, so it has source? |
| 07:10.47 | vbrummond | no, i made one myself |
| 07:10.52 | vbrummond | source is here: http://swftools.org/download.html |
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| 07:11.10 | gnarface | Some_Person: http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.1/en/slow-query-log.html is this what you're looking for? |
| 07:11.16 | _monaster_ | then its free |
| 07:11.25 | anisfarhana | vbrummond: not via apt? |
| 07:11.26 | gnarface | Someguy123: ^^^ i meant that message to you. http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.1/en/slow-query-log.html |
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| 07:11.38 | gnarface | nevermind Some_Person |
| 07:11.49 | vbrummond | anisfarhana: i downloaded the source and made a simple deb with checkinstall |
| 07:12.06 | anisfarhana | vbrummond: can you assist me how to do that? |
| 07:12.15 | _monaster_ | the procedure is simple anisfarhand |
| 07:12.20 | vbrummond | anisfarhana: its not difficult |
| 07:12.27 | _monaster_ | google build deb checkinstall debian |
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| 07:12.47 | _monaster_ | vbrummond knows more |
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| 07:13.06 | _monaster_ | I done this once only |
| 07:13.30 | vbrummond | ask me if you get confused, if you havent built anything make and make install etc, im not really up to a whole shebang tutorial on it |
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| 07:13.49 | _monaster_ | start with the google query |
| 07:13.58 | chelz | i'm seeing the netinst being recommended by the debian people quite a bit. is it really okay to use it a lot? isn't it putting undue strain on debian servers? (i'm not exactly paying for those servers so i feel bad) |
| 07:14.01 | nsadmin | hmm, so: there is source and it's gpl... if there's nothing else in the way, that should put it in main |
| 07:14.20 | vbrummond | probably just doesnt have a maintainer |
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| 07:15.05 | anisfarhana | **** Installation failed. Aborting package creation. |
| 07:15.14 | anisfarhana | With checkinstall -D make install |
| 07:16.06 | _monaster_ | no verbose |
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| 07:16.12 | nsadmin | chelz, is there a problem yuou |
| 07:16.12 | _monaster_ | no more info |
| 07:16.17 | nsadmin | are experiencing? |
| 07:16.18 | vbrummond | probably wants to overwrite something, try installing the package manually if it successfully built it |
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| 07:16.37 | chelz | nsadmin: no, just kind of curious how much one should use the netinst, of it's better to get dvds |
| 07:16.48 | anisfarhana | vbrummond: tried it before but failed. |
| 07:16.55 | nsadmin | dvds require a big download |
| 07:16.58 | vbrummond | it worked here, so dunno whats up |
| 07:17.24 | nsadmin | netinst requires a 180 mp image plus one download / package |
| 07:17.32 | anisfarhana | vbrummond: http://pastebin.ws/1k67u7 |
| 07:17.47 | chelz | nsadmin: but if one can do a dvd download, is it better for debian? |
| 07:18.16 | vbrummond | do you have libfreetype6-dev? |
| 07:18.22 | nsadmin | it's not at all recommended to get big images out of respect for the people who pay for bandwidth of donated mirror sites |
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| 07:19.22 | vbrummond | im on 32-bit btw |
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| 07:19.57 | nsadmin | coincidentally, that's how big my linux kernel is... 32 bits! |
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| 07:20.31 | nsadmin | I'm trying to compress it down to 24 bits, having trouble |
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| 07:21.01 | vbrummond | pack that sucker in a gzip compressed tar ;) |
| 07:21.31 | anisfarhana | vbrummond: checking. |
| 07:21.33 | nsadmin | that will expand it from 32 bits to 10k (tar block size) |
| 07:21.46 | vbrummond | aww |
| 07:21.58 | vbrummond | curses foiled again |
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| 07:22.21 | nsadmin | steals the foil from curses |
| 07:22.23 | anisfarhana | vbrummond: Setting up libfreetype6-dev (2.4.2-2.1+squeeze3) |
| 07:22.30 | anisfarhana | vbrummond: let me try the swftools again. |
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| 07:23.09 | vbrummond | anisfarhana: good luck, i compile a bunch of stuff so I dunno what I needed to make it, all it complained about was libgif-dev for me |
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| 07:24.44 | nsadmin | anisfarhana, install pastebinit if you're going to show build logs |
| 07:24.48 | anisfarhana | vbrummond: i have that installed too..but sigh still failing. |
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| 07:25.05 | anisfarhana | nsadmin: yes sure. |
| 07:25.06 | Mephisto | can anyone tell me how can i use this as a repo: http://mirror.fiber.net/ubuntu-lucid/pool/universe/c/chromium-browser/ |
| 07:25.08 | Mephisto | ? |
| 07:25.11 | Mephisto | i need it |
| 07:25.20 | vbrummond | Mephisto: that is built for ubuntu |
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| 07:25.28 | Mephisto | vbrummond, i can see that |
| 07:25.46 | Mephisto | vbrummond, but would you be able to find me Chromium 10 for Debian and specifically Squeeze? |
| 07:25.54 | nsadmin | Mephisto, not recommended for debian... get the source and build lateral ports |
| 07:26.08 | Mephisto | source... i ain't messing with that man. |
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| 07:26.18 | nsadmin | ok |
| 07:26.22 | nsadmin | run ubuntu |
| 07:26.23 | vbrummond | Mephisto: sorry, i dont like chrome/ium so I dont know anything about where to find it :| |
| 07:26.32 | anisfarhana | vbrummond: http://pastebin.com/UXsf6Bbz |
| 07:26.40 | Mephisto | vbrummond, i know where to find it, it's just that i need a particular version. |
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| 07:27.03 | rmacd | Mephisto: You're using a Ubuntu package on Debian? Might have worked five years ago... The Chrome download page gives a link to both 32-bit and 64-bit .debs. Try that instead. |
| 07:27.12 | vbrummond | Mephisto: you will probably have find some antiquated source repo and build it |
| 07:27.16 | Mephisto | nsadmin, why would you be so strict about it? Most of lucid stuff works perfectly on squeeze. I know that's kinda irrelevant here, but i didn't come here to tell about it, i just wanted to know how to use it as a repo. |
| 07:27.37 | vbrummond | Mephisto: some folks would probably be angry with me on here if i told you how |
| 07:27.39 | Mephisto | ALL Lucid stuff works for me. |
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| 07:27.42 | Mephisto | ah.. |
| 07:27.48 | Mephisto | vbrummond, ok, that's understandable :) |
| 07:27.58 | nsadmin | Mephisto, that question has been asked and answered many times in debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 07:28.14 | Mephisto | nsadmin, excuse me, which question? |
| 07:28.41 | nsadmin | the one you asked |
| 07:28.44 | Mephisto | guys... the thing is.. |
| 07:29.44 | Mephisto | i like Debian and everything. Although it lacks some bits and pieces and kinda outdated and such... but this time it's not about upgrade, i just need an older version of Chromium to test a couple of things here. And for now i need 10th exactly. |
| 07:29.55 | Mephisto | there's nowhere else i can find it. |
| 07:30.32 | Mephisto | even building from source would take me to find the Chromium 10 source, which is next to impossible probably. |
| 07:30.33 | nsadmin | here's actually the thing: if you try to run packages compiled for different libs, it's not likely to work... and then, if you have ubuntu sources, you could be in an upgrade cycle you didn't intend that's taking you to some unknown version of ubuntu |
| 07:30.58 | nsadmin | that's not true "there's nowhere else i can find it." |
| 07:31.25 | rmacd | Mephisto: So why don't you just download the package manually, do a dpkg -i ? If it doesn't work, it doesn't work, I guess. Not our problem. |
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| 07:31.34 | nsadmin | ubuntu must have got it from somewhere (or they're the original author) |
| 07:31.57 | chelz | nsadmin: well i torrent my images basically always |
| 07:32.04 | vbrummond | anisfarhana: sorry, nothing really jumps out from that output at a glance |
| 07:32.18 | chelz | nsadmin: so torrenting dvds would be nicer to servers than a netinstall right? |
| 07:32.34 | anisfarhana | vbrummond: its ok , nothing to sorry..me also headache atm about this swftools |
| 07:32.36 | nsadmin | asked and answered |
| 07:32.41 | Mephisto | rmacd, i'd have done it many times. Chromium has multiple packages, such things are not installed from repositories. |
| 07:32.45 | nsadmin | torrent doesn't change my opinion |
| 07:32.46 | Mephisto | i mean.. |
| 07:32.50 | Mephisto | not by single files. |
| 07:32.55 | Mephisto | but using repos. |
| 07:34.04 | nsadmin | do it if you want... just know it's not recommended. what is recommended, is build a ported package from source |
| 07:34.06 | rmacd | Mephisto: 4 .debs at the most - you'd have done it in half the time it took to come on here and ask the question. |
| 07:34.21 | Mephisto | nsadmin, ok, i know that's it's normally not recommended... but hey, i've got a few things from lucid. All work perfectly. Sorry to say that, but people left Debian without Wine, for example. And no, i'm not gonna build anything, that's time and mind killing. Lucid wine works just perfectly for me. As well as a few other things. I know that it might not. But hey.. it does. Ok? I do take a responsibility for that and i would never complain to you if anyth |
| 07:34.21 | Mephisto | ing goes wrong since i've been lazy enough to build things myself. |
| 07:34.56 | vbrummond | anisfarhana if you are on 32-bit squeeze i can upload my checkinstall deb |
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| 07:35.24 | Mephisto | rmacd, listen, i dunno how to do it. All i know is that if i take one deb and try installing it it will fail. |
| 07:35.34 | nsadmin | Mephisto, it's looking like: if I make any comment now, this loop we're in will repeat |
| 07:35.37 | vbrummond | but i built with libmp3lame support and and didnt mark what deps it might need |
| 07:35.37 | Mephisto | rmacd, and if you're kind enough please do tell me how to do it without a repo. |
| 07:35.40 | jargon- | how do i change my locale so that `echo $LANGUAGE` shows the change? i followed this guide: http://wiki.debian.org/Locale but i still get this output: http://dpaste.org/BUT0K/ and this error: http://dpaste.org/6cx94/ |
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| 07:35.50 | anisfarhana | hands her vps to vbrummond |
| 07:35.55 | anisfarhana | vbrummond: you can go burn it. |
| 07:36.09 | vbrummond | hmm? O_o |
| 07:37.00 | nsadmin | put THAT in yo hash pipe and SMOKE it! |
| 07:37.24 | vbrummond | Mephisto: if whatever deb you are looking for is properly built it will list what dependencies it needs and you can find them in the repo or in debian but a package built for lucid is using ubuntu libs and etc that might be patched or different versions than in debian |
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| 07:37.45 | vbrummond | also chromium for lucid is version 16 so i dunno why that repo has 10 |
| 07:37.54 | Mephisto | nsadmin, i KNOW what the dangers are, ok? :) It's fine. It's just that building process is still overly intrinsic for normal people and i'd rather suffer a few bugs then go through this unholy ceremony, so to speak. |
| 07:38.12 | Mephisto | vbrummond, i dunno too, but i don't care. I just wanna get it. Oh well.. nevermind. I'm not asking for it anymore. |
| 07:38.15 | rmacd | Mephisto: wget the .debs appropriate to your architecture. Once they're sitting somewhere on your drive, a dpkg -i will work; should it fail, it'll tell you which other packages you'll need. |
| 07:38.32 | vbrummond | its not rocket science :/ |
| 07:38.39 | nsadmin | Mephisto, the thing you're up against right now, is something is failing to install... right now that's all I know because you haven't been |
| 07:38.43 | Mephisto | rmacd, i won't find Chromium 10 for Squeeze. trust me. |
| 07:38.44 | nsadmin | !sicco |
| 07:38.44 | dpkg | Please ask sicco questions, questions that are Specific, Informative, Concise, Complete, and On-topic. Ask me about <research> and <cooperation in asking for help>. |
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| 07:39.46 | rmacd | Mephisto: As vbrummond says, it's not even if you _should_ be doing it, so to speak - it's the fact that it'll quite likely fail: different libs. |
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| 07:39.47 | nsadmin | ompaul, re... |
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| 07:40.50 | chelz | nsadmin: but your opinion was based on overusing bandwidth of donor mirrors, torrent users aren't mirror donors |
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| 07:41.44 | nsadmin | chelz, are you asking for a justification of something you want? |
| 07:41.47 | rmacd | Mephisto: Before you go off on your merry way, when I say `architecture` that's 386/amd64 etc., not `Squeeze`/`Lenny` as you seem to be (mis)understanding. |
| 07:42.17 | Mephisto | rmacd, can't you see there are amd64 versions too?.. |
| 07:42.24 | ompaul | nsadmin: morning |
| 07:42.40 | rmacd | sighs |
| 07:42.46 | nsadmin | are you trying to convince me that one way is better than another when I've expressed the opposite? |
| 07:43.12 | nsadmin | chelz, what are you -really- trying to accomplish? |
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| 07:43.52 | chelz | nsadmin: to find out how a netinst makes more sense to promote than torrent links when torrent seeders are much less costly than big servers |
| 07:44.14 | Mephisto | rmacd, vbrummond, ok, people.... hear this: do you really think i'd have been doing all this with just hoping that it will work and not having the actual experience? i HAVE Chromium 16 installed here from lucid repo and it works! I have Deluge 1.3.0 from lucid repo. It works! No errors or visual distortions or any glitches. I have Wine 1.3.37 from lucid repo. Works like a miracle! So why do you keep telling me that it will fail when i'm 100% sure it will |
| 07:44.14 | Mephisto | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:44.17 | nsadmin | oh, advocation issue |
| 07:44.53 | Mephisto | and if i lack something then it simply won't install it |
| 07:44.59 | Mephisto | i'm using Synaptic for Christ sake.. |
| 07:45.05 | ompaul | chelz: servers exist, we know they exist, if you want to patch netinst to use torrents please feel free to do so, then submit that patch |
| 07:45.16 | nsadmin | Mephisto, as you go incrementally further down that path, your package database will get worse and worse, with pointers to nowhere, etc. |
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| 07:45.43 | Mephisto | nsadmin, well i'm not trashing my system radically, and no, i'm not upgrading the libs from ubuntu repos. |
| 07:45.50 | Mephisto | nsadmin, i only snatch particular apps. |
| 07:46.14 | vbrummond | Mephisto: No one said it would fail, they said it could fail and thus was irresponsible to go out of our way telling you how. Adding the repo is the same as adding any other repo. If you do I hope to the Linux lords you pin it less priority. Even if so it will probably want deps too low of a version even for squeeze. Lastly we already told you how to do it even though we didnt want to. Are you trying to troll? |
| 07:46.27 | ompaul | !frankendebian |
| 07:46.28 | dpkg | When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince #linux to help. |
| 07:46.31 | chelz | ompaul: does debian want that? or are the servers really just underused to the point where netinstalls are fine being a default? |
| 07:46.47 | nsadmin | it's -your- machine... having said that, not sure anymore what you're asking about... |
| 07:47.42 | nsadmin | unless you specify -exactly- what is failing and the -exact- error messages if any, this is an argument and not a support conversation. |
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| 07:47.55 | Mephisto | alright.. once again i'll just say: i won't have any questions to you if something goes wrong with it, ok? ALl i wanna know is how to get it. Ok, so i download all files in one location and run it? Is that it? |
| 07:48.03 | ompaul | chelz: if you want it build it, debian is a set of contributions not a single individual. If the code is good enough they may consider it, but most likely nobody will build it. There are those who would insist on using it. |
| 07:48.12 | rmacd | appends ignore list |
| 07:48.24 | nsadmin | Mephisto, man 5 sources.list |
| 07:48.49 | Mephisto | nsadmin, pff... do i have to read that?.. |
| 07:48.55 | Mephisto | ok, thank you very much. |
| 07:49.16 | nsadmin | if you do, you will gain the ability to look at a repo and find stuff |
| 07:49.22 | anisfarhana | vbrummond: Setting up swftools (0.9.0-0ubuntu1) ... |
| 07:49.24 | Mephisto | alrighty. |
| 07:49.31 | anisfarhana | vbrummond: i guess the problem = solved. |
| 07:49.45 | vbrummond | anisfarhana: awesome, im glad you sorted it |
| 07:49.46 | Mephisto | while talking to you i've lost any desire to do this actually. Kinda... the idea has lost its beauty. |
| 07:49.57 | vbrummond | Mephisto: thats the ticket |
| 07:49.57 | ompaul | you mean uglyness |
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| 07:50.04 | anisfarhana | vbrummond: thx for helping tho |
| 07:50.07 | nsadmin | imo, it was never that beautiful :) |
| 07:50.32 | vbrummond | no problems even though i didnt help much :P |
| 07:50.54 | Mephisto | yeah, right. What was beautiful is a buncha outdated or even totally missing stuff on Debian stable. Right. However.. Chromium 10 idea is not any related to it, it's just that you guys have driven me into it. |
| 07:51.12 | chelz | mk, i'll think more about using netinstalls then |
| 07:51.16 | vbrummond | yeah.. sounds like trolling :/ |
| 07:51.26 | Mephisto | no, it's not |
| 07:51.29 | nsadmin | Mephisto, you got unpartitioned space? |
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| 07:51.39 | Mephisto | nsadmin, no. Why? |
| 07:51.53 | nsadmin | I was going to suggest installing ubuntu |
| 07:51.58 | Mephisto | nsadmin, doh... |
| 07:52.06 | vbrummond | install ubuntu in virtualbox :P |
| 07:52.10 | nsadmin | even, in a vserver |
| 07:52.17 | Mephisto | i know what it is, guys... i've seen it |
| 07:52.22 | Mephisto | but there are a few things i don't like about it |
| 07:52.32 | rmacd | Pray, tell. |
| 07:52.58 | rmacd | Humour me. |
| 07:52.59 | nsadmin | nonono, it's not even on topic, just like this whole support conversation/argument |
| 07:53.01 | Mephisto | anyway.. why would you want me to do that?.. |
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| 07:54.35 | nsadmin | rmacd, Mephisto, if you want to discuss that, consider an empty channel or /msg |
| 07:55.02 | Mephisto | ok, first of all, i never liked derived or better to say depraved stuff. No matter how cool it seems, i like original stuff. Secondly... "Ubuntu" sounds stupid. That's my humour for rmacd. Also, i don't want some people to pre-configure stuff for me like it's done on Ubuntu. |
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| 07:55.09 | ompaul | Mephisto: how is that /msg |
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| 07:55.33 | vbrummond | water follows the path of least resistance; the easiest path to getting these debs to work is to install ubuntu either on a disk or a virtual machine; adding a repo is not difficult all the info you need to add the repo is on the link you gave us to the repo |
| 07:55.55 | ompaul | vbrummond: how is that /msg |
| 07:56.01 | nsadmin | Bee the water, my friend |
| 07:56.07 | Mephisto | ALRIGHT.... |
| 07:56.08 | Mephisto | fine.. |
| 07:56.09 | Mephisto | :) |
| 07:56.27 | Mephisto | i think now you're trolling me, aren't you? :) |
| 07:56.33 | vbrummond | lol sorry ompaul, i fold from the topic :) |
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| 07:57.48 | nsadmin | Mephisto, considering the entire conversation is not a #debian topic... I would ask who's trolling who |
| 07:59.23 | simonlnu | and calling a swahili word stupid is imo racist |
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| 07:59.30 | nsadmin | we told you what would work the best and preserve your packaging system (to build them)... then you said you don't want to. the conversation should have ended there, and here and now, it does for me. |
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| 08:00.21 | nsadmin | simonlnu, all words have to come from somewhere :) |
| 08:00.57 | simonlnu | nsadmin: #debian-offtopic ? |
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| 08:01.19 | nsadmin | thanks for clickablizing it |
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| 08:01.39 | Mephisto | simonlnu, i didnt mean african culture anyways |
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| 08:02.29 | ompaul | Mephisto: how is that a debian support question |
| 08:02.38 | ompaul | Mephisto: btw don't answer it was rehtorical |
| 08:02.51 | Mephisto | ompaul, well... i asked how TO GET it, but not WHETHER I MAY to do so. |
| 08:03.32 | Mephisto | -to.. i'm getting awkward with you already.. |
| 08:03.47 | simonlnu | best to be quiet then |
| 08:04.24 | Mephisto | so, i guess debian package system is not a debian-related question after all. Why don't you just think that damn mirror is actually a debian mirror?.. |
| 08:04.44 | Mephisto | why do you care what's inside? |
| 08:05.12 | ompaul | would someone please mute the Mephisto |
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| 08:05.19 | fengor | because people tend to wind up in here whining about how they broke their system when they used a mirror from another distro? |
| 08:05.52 | Mephisto | damnz... i've told you all many times, that EVEN if anything goes wrong i'd never bother you, cause I PAY the price, only me. Not you. |
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| 08:06.06 | Mephisto | sheesh.. fine.. not a word more. |
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| 08:06.29 | Mephisto | i don't even want that damn chromium 10 anymore, i'm just trying to explain mine attitude here. |
| 08:06.32 | Mephisto | my* |
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| 08:07.23 | ompaul | Mephisto: please shut up, or someone will call for ops and trust me unseen but present |
| 08:08.20 | Mephisto | ompaul, so? Like i cared if they're seen or not. I wasn't considering myself being rebellious here actually. That's what you're trying to make out of me. |
| 08:08.50 | Mephisto | ompaul, and you're the one who's trying to be "cool" around here. Just to do bark bark, and nothing else. :) |
| 08:08.52 | simonlnu | Mephisto: dude really, for your own good, follow up on being quiet. best to bow out honourably |
| 08:09.17 | Mephisto | when i went quiet you were still talking to me, sorry. |
| 08:09.29 | Peaker | Hi, I'm using "GeForce 9400 GT" with the non-free "nvidia" drivers. Video works well. However, the HDMI output on the card doesn't appear in "aplay -L" even after installing the alsa drivers from source via "m-a" |
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| 08:09.42 | Peaker | and I don't get HDMI output |
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| 08:10.12 | nsadmin | Mephisto, STOP making me feel like a dumbass cop... |
| 08:10.17 | Peaker | oh wait, never mind.. it doesn't list HDMI but it did start working :) (Posts on forums claimed it cannot work without "HDMI" there..) |
| 08:10.38 | somiaj | Peaker: what does it list? |
| 08:10.46 | somiaj | Peaker: cat /proc/asound/cards is useful as well |
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| 08:11.12 | vbrummond | Peaker: if you are on squeeze, might be better to get linux from backports as it has a much newer alsa built in than the m-a one |
| 08:11.14 | Peaker | somiaj, "iec958:CARD=Intel,DEV=0 -- IEC958 (S/PDIF) Digital Audio Output" |
| 08:11.16 | Mephisto | is zipped |
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| 08:11.35 | Peaker | somiaj, (I think that's the one in use) |
| 08:12.18 | Peaker | It's listed as an HDA/Intel output, not HDMI, and goes to HDMI. Maybe it's the way they hooked it up in the box |
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| 08:14.28 | Mephisto | says to mysterious enthusiast "nah.. nothing's there." |
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| 09:06.13 | JANSSEN\djota | can somebody provide me link to a good self build mail gateway howto? |
| 09:07.47 | azaghal | JANSSEN\djota: Just gateway? |
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| 09:12.25 | JANSSEN\djota | azaghal: well actually full UTM, antispam, antivirus, etc.. |
| 09:12.38 | EvOoX- | hello people |
| 09:13.12 | EvOoX- | I am looking for a package manager to manage multiple debian servers in one interface |
| 09:13.20 | EvOoX- | something like WSUS for Windows |
| 09:13.25 | EvOoX- | any idea ? :) |
| 09:13.51 | colo-work | EvOoX-, use puppet or cfengine, or, if you don't want to set all that up, use parallel-ssh or clusterssh |
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| 09:15.11 | PoeticDeath | is there some debian developer awoken here |
| 09:15.13 | PoeticDeath | right now |
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| 09:15.44 | JANSSEN\djota | why, do you want to buy him a beer PoeticDeath ? |
| 09:15.56 | EvOoX- | colo-work: I already use puppet |
| 09:15.59 | PoeticDeath | JANSSEN\djota lol it depends. |
| 09:16.05 | PoeticDeath | JANSSEN\djota if he pays two beers for me. |
| 09:16.12 | PoeticDeath | i surely would pay one for him. |
| 09:16.16 | EvOoX- | colo-work: but it is not for the same purpose actually |
| 09:16.45 | PoeticDeath | JANSSEN\djota are you one |
| 09:16.49 | EvOoX- | colo-work: I just need to see the potential updates on each host and then applying what I want where I want |
| 09:17.08 | JANSSEN\djota | PoeticDeath: he already developed you a nice distro which you probably are using ;) |
| 09:17.20 | PoeticDeath | JANSSEN\djota nice. |
| 09:17.22 | JANSSEN\djota | PoeticDeath: and no, im not a dev |
| 09:17.33 | PoeticDeath | JANSSEN\djota do you know one |
| 09:17.37 | PoeticDeath | whom i can talk to |
| 09:18.01 | JANSSEN\djota | PoeticDeath: im sorry, no. i think there is a debian dev channel on freenode. |
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| 09:18.13 | PoeticDeath | JANSSEN\djota but it says i must be invited. |
| 09:18.15 | PoeticDeath | lol |
| 09:18.44 | colo-work | EvOoX-, I don't know of any such interface (maybe Canonical's Landscape can do that, but it's fur Ubuntu and I've never seen it in action), but I also question its usefulness. if there's an upgrade for a package in stable, I'm 100% sure that I do want that upgrade installed. |
| 09:19.41 | JANSSEN\djota | PoeticDeath: try to ask an operator here maybe? |
| 09:19.50 | PoeticDeath | JANSSEN\djota nice idea. |
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| 09:20.07 | PoeticDeath | JANSSEN\djota do you know of an operator here who ison now? |
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| 09:22.23 | JANSSEN\djota | PoeticDeath: i don't know anybody in this channel. im not such a irc junkie as i might seem to be |
| 09:22.50 | PoeticDeath | JANSSEN\djota |
| 09:22.56 | PoeticDeath | i am an irc junkie. |
| 09:23.03 | PoeticDeath | lol |
| 09:23.08 | PoeticDeath | well. |
| 09:23.12 | PoeticDeath | JANSSEN\djota alright. |
| 09:23.30 | PoeticDeath | let me think |
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| 09:23.34 | PoeticDeath | how i will solve this problem. |
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| 09:27.36 | JANSSEN\djota | PoeticDeath: maybe it's a smart step to post your problem here and see if somebody can help you (who may be a dev) |
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| 09:27.57 | PoeticDeath | JANSSEN\djota well. i wrote an ircclient |
| 09:28.04 | PoeticDeath | which i would like to make it part of the debian package |
| 09:28.12 | PoeticDeath | but i have no idea where to start it off. |
| 09:28.16 | themill | dpkg: tell PoeticDeath about nmg |
| 09:28.22 | PoeticDeath | JANSSEN\djota a guy told me to look for a debian developer |
| 09:28.25 | PoeticDeath | and ask him for help |
| 09:28.31 | themill | .o0( because what the world needs is another irc client ) |
| 09:28.57 | PoeticDeath | themill lol |
| 09:29.00 | PoeticDeath | i have other stuff done |
| 09:29.03 | PoeticDeath | but i want to see |
| 09:29.07 | themill | PoeticDeath: do feel free to configure your new irc client to suppress the enter key as much as possible. |
| 09:29.11 | PoeticDeath | if i can make it part of the debian package |
| 09:29.12 | PoeticDeath | if i can |
| 09:29.18 | PoeticDeath | then i will try to do it with other stuff that ihave |
| 09:29.26 | PoeticDeath | (the ircclient isnt the best piece of code of mine though) |
| 09:29.33 | PoeticDeath | themill lol |
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| 09:29.49 | PoeticDeath | i just like to type in verses. |
| 09:29.53 | PoeticDeath | its poetic. |
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| 09:30.21 | themill | dpkg: tell PoeticDeath about enter |
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| 09:30.36 | PoeticDeath | themill alright. |
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| 09:39.18 | nutron | I'm at a grub prompt from a rescue image I had to boot to. Anyone happen to remember the commands I use in sequence... so far I'm at set root=(hd0,msdos1) |
| 09:39.33 | azaghal | JANSSEN\djota: workaround.org ISP-style mail? |
| 09:40.04 | azaghal | (because I _love_ that guide) |
| 09:40.11 | nutron | got it nvm |
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| 09:45.24 | dannN | Hi. I've an Debian 6.0 squeeze with ISPConfig3 and Courier as Mailserver. Currently the email password is send as 'normal password', how can i change this to encrypted password? |
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| 09:48.09 | Vasistha | dannN: I haven't used those tools, but have you looked in /etc ? |
| 09:49.05 | nsadmin | courier is what? an mta? mda? something else? |
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| 09:53.47 | themill | nsadmin: all of the above (although most commonly used for pop and imap) |
| 09:53.57 | themill | (apt-cache search courier) |
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| 09:56.31 | skilz | If I am in ssh session to another box, is there some command to get a file and put it on my computer? |
| 09:57.05 | arvind_khadri | Hi, how can I make applications use swap instead of h/w ram. I have done swapon. |
| 09:57.15 | phantomik | skilz:: use "scp" maybe? |
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| 09:57.56 | DarkStar1 | I just had a look at the repo list on my virtual server and it has the repos from (what I guess, is) their own repository. I would however like to use the standard repos so that I can perform an upgrade from Lenny to squeeze |
| 09:58.28 | JANSSEN\djota | can somebody recommend amavisd-new? |
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| 10:01.11 | themill | ,info lrzsz |
| 10:01.12 | judd | Package lrzsz (comm, optional) in squeeze/i386: Tools for zmodem/xmodem/ymodem file transfer. Version: 0.12.21-5; Size: 98.6k; Installed: 264k |
| 10:01.52 | themill | skilz: ^^ if you're looking for something rather old-style.. but yes, you can do zmodem transfer within an ssh session, assuming that your terminal supports it. |
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| 10:05.38 | namoamitabuddha | I have a problem that ipw2200 module needs reloading for the first boot. |
| 10:06.17 | technologov | hi ! How to download the CVE documents ? (to analyze some Debian code) |
| 10:06.46 | jelly | technologov: what do you mean by CVE documents? |
| 10:07.20 | technologov | security advisories... |
| 10:07.35 | technologov | do they include patches or src code file names ? |
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| 10:08.02 | technologov | basically: if upstream fixed something, how-to figure out if this affects Debian or not ? |
| 10:08.23 | technologov | (assuming upstream patch is huge, 1.3 MB of src) |
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| 10:08.51 | ChrisH | technologov: that depens.. I just checked for some CVEs from Oracle Java and all you get is: there is some fixed securoity issues, accessible my network :( |
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| 10:09.18 | Vasistha | namoamitabuddha: I don't understand your question |
| 10:09.20 | themill | !tracker of doom |
| 10:09.21 | dpkg | The Tracker of Doom is a vulnerability database maintained by the Debian security team, viewable at http://security-tracker.debian.org/ . Ask me about <cve lookup CVE-yyyy-nnnn> to get Debian-specific information on a CVE number. See also http://www.debian.org/security/crossreferences or ask me about <debsecan> http://www.enyo.de/fw/software/debsecan/ |
| 10:09.26 | technologov | hmm... so they don't have to include patches ? sad. |
| 10:09.32 | themill | technologov: ^^ this work is usually done already |
| 10:09.36 | namoamitabuddha | Vasistha: I usually shoud do this after boot: |
| 10:09.42 | namoamitabuddha | Vasistha: modprobe -r ipw2200 |
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| 10:09.51 | namoamitabuddha | Vasistha: modprobe -i ipw2200 |
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| 10:10.06 | skilz | themill, So what would the command be if I want to get file1 in the current directory I am in, and save to my disk in the directory I ran the ssh session from?\ |
| 10:10.13 | skilz | say /home/skilz/ |
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| 10:10.22 | namoamitabuddha | Vasistha: or I can't use the network. |
| 10:10.25 | ChrisH | dpkg: cve lookup CVE-2012-0499 |
| 10:10.25 | dpkg | Information about the security advisory CVE-2012-0499 may be found at http://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2012-0499 |
| 10:10.39 | Vasistha | namoamitabuddha: hmm, make sure /etc/modprobe.d does not have ipw2200 blacklisted. That is unlikely, though, and it is strange that it's not autoloading it. |
| 10:10.42 | technologov | I speak about Oracle VirtualBox now. (fortunately both Squeeze and Wheezy are not affected this time, we're lucky, but keeping finger on the button is right way). |
| 10:11.11 | themill | skilz: sz filename; your local terminal would then normally ask you where to save the file (unless it just drops it in the current local directory). This is very dependent on your terminal |
| 10:11.13 | namoamitabuddha | Vasistha: It's autoloading. But I should reload, otherwise I can't access Internet. It's strange. |
| 10:12.13 | technologov | ChrisH, assuming that upstream patch is huge, what is the procedure to backport CVE fixes to Debian ? |
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| 10:12.53 | Vasistha | namoamitabuddha: hmm I wonder if you can track down if and when the failure starts ... perhaps one of the init scripts is causing it to get into a bad state or something... |
| 10:13.16 | Vasistha | namoamitabuddha: I've gotta go to bed though, good luck |
| 10:14.32 | ChrisH | technologov: sadly I have no idea |
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| 10:17.29 | jelly | technologov: the maintainer picks the code, understands the flaw and backports or implements a different fix. |
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| 10:20.35 | DarkStar1 | I just got this trying to update from Lenny to Squeeze: http://fpaste.org/GH2T/ |
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| 10:21.58 | DarkStar1 | What does this mean in terms of stability? Will I have major issues? |
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| 10:26.06 | WormFood | how do I find what a link references to in a shell script? I don't see anything in the bash man page that seems like it would do it. Maybe there is some command that will give me that info, but I don't know what it would be (I did look), and I feel there must be something better than parsing the output of ls. (to be more clear, if B is a link to file A, and I have B, how do I find out what A is?) |
| 10:26.23 | petemc | WormFood: readlink |
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| 10:27.03 | WormFood | awesome petemc, thanks! |
| 10:27.19 | petemc | np |
| 10:28.53 | WormFood | exactly what I want....I've never heard of that command, but I felt it had to exist |
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| 10:40.00 | arvind_khadri | Hi, how can I make applications use swap instead of h/w ram. I have done swapon. |
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| 10:40.22 | technologov | it is automatic, if you have swap enabled. |
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| 10:40.49 | technologov | only thing you can do is to reduce amount of RAM, forcing apps to swap... |
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| 10:40.54 | petemc | arvind_khadri: you can adjust swappiness via proc, not sure if you can do exactly what you need tho |
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| 10:41.23 | arvind_khadri | petemc, oh ok. thanks :) |
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| 10:43.33 | Delf | According to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cron |
| 10:43.45 | Delf | day of week (0 - 7) |
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| 10:43.57 | Delf | Couting from 0 to 7 equals 8 values, whats going on here? |
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| 10:51.35 | somiaj | 0 and 7 would be the same day of course |
| 10:52.31 | Delf | Ok, I don't understand why two different values would be equal |
| 10:52.33 | somiaj | Delf: as per 'man 5 crontab' -- day of week 0-7 (0 or 7 is Sun, or use names) |
| 10:52.47 | Delf | somiaj: Yes, I'll stick with names |
| 10:53.23 | Delf | I love linux and debian |
| 10:53.51 | Delf | free is the redefintion of might! |
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| 11:07.52 | eugenmayer | what isos are supposed to be used when installing a thin bare-bone debian6? Netinst? Or are there server-specific isos ? |
| 11:08.03 | eugenmayer | (regarding the installation-profile) |
| 11:08.10 | petemc | any |
| 11:08.22 | petemc | you can choose what to install during the installation |
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| 11:09.36 | eugenmayer | petemc: I know. We are currently having issues installing d6 in a KVM appliance. After the installation |
| 11:09.51 | eugenmayer | "boot |
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| 11:10.01 | eugenmayer | "no bootable decives could not read the boot disk" |
| 11:10.35 | eugenmayer | petemc: i just though there are minimal-preconfigure server profiles to test with |
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| 11:14.44 | archo43 | hi friends |
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| 11:21.47 | archo43 | anyone here? |
| 11:22.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | of course not |
| 11:22.43 | simonlnu | there's only 1078 of us here (including bots) |
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| 11:22.52 | archo43 | no theres 1077 |
| 11:22.59 | archo43 | :P |
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| 11:23.08 | archo43 | 1079 |
| 11:23.25 | simonlnu | ok ok :). so what's up ? |
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| 11:23.53 | b4h4 | how can I erase item whith totem when nautilus ask me which app open file with |
| 11:24.10 | b4h4 | like this http://imglink.ru/show-image.php?id=ccede3f7c8676592b40c428b305d9504 |
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| 11:25.01 | archo43 | simonlnu: my iq is up |
| 11:25.52 | s70rm | mine is 139 |
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| 11:26.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | guy's there's a perfectly silent offtopic channel #debian-offtopic for that type of chatter |
| 11:27.11 | archo43 | oh thanks for the advice |
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| 11:27.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | b4h4, we don't understand what you ask |
| 11:27.22 | babilen | b4h4: I do not quite understand your question and you could ask in Russian in #debian-russian |
| 11:27.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | s/'// |
| 11:27.27 | archo43 | can i use debian as an alarm clock to wake me up? |
| 11:27.38 | EvilToaster | archo43, ofc you can |
| 11:28.06 | babilen | b4h4: That being said: If you want your choice of application to be permanent you can tick the checkbox at the bottom or use nautilus to delete a file from the ~/Download directory |
| 11:28.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | archo43, there's lots of arm hardware (smartphones,TVs, etc) that debian runs on |
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| 11:29.14 | archo43 | oh im using debian on my computer |
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| 11:30.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | archo43, you can't just use an OS as an alarm clock, it generally requires some hardware |
| 11:30.55 | archo43 | oh ive got a computer |
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| 11:31.06 | archo43 | and a tv and a blackberry |
| 11:31.11 | archo43 | but i prefer to use my computer |
| 11:31.38 | babilen | !tell archo43 -about search |
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| 11:32.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | then I don't see what's stopping you |
| 11:32.13 | babilen | archo43: You could use a tool such as alarm-clock, setup a cron job that plays a specific sound file or at(1) |
| 11:32.15 | archo43 | cant you quickly help me? i need debian to play a loud bang constantly in the speakers while continously ejecting and retractingf the dvd drive |
| 11:32.35 | archo43 | oh thanks babilen |
| 11:32.48 | babilen | archo43: I don't think that a tool exists that does this. Sounds like some scripting is needed (variations of media player + eject) |
| 11:33.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | seems simple enough though |
| 11:33.12 | archo43 | yeh, im a tough sleeper, so I only wake up with loud noise and a dvd tray hitting my forehead |
| 11:33.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | but sounds more like a prank than an alarm |
| 11:33.26 | simonlnu | a bit of scripting plus a sound file with aplay |
| 11:33.47 | simonlnu | yes, it sounds like a prank |
| 11:33.50 | archo43 | i like the cronjob idea |
| 11:33.55 | archo43 | can someone write me a script quickly to do this? |
| 11:33.59 | simonlnu | no |
| 11:34.02 | babilen | archo43: You? |
| 11:34.03 | archo43 | please |
| 11:34.10 | simonlnu | *plonk* |
| 11:34.42 | archo43 | i thought u guys were smart |
| 11:34.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | too smart to be goaded like this :) |
| 11:35.02 | EvilToaster | archo43, drunk? |
| 11:35.19 | babilen | archo43: Drop it please. We will not write you a script as this is entirely out of the scope of what we do here. Try yourself and ask questions in, say, #bash if you run into problems. |
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| 11:35.58 | archo43 | ok lol. ill chat to some of the smart guys in #bash :P |
| 11:36.07 | archo43 | ;) |
| 11:36.41 | DarkStar1 | Hello. I am trying to install devstack on squeeze and I'm having some python package dependency issues. I would like to know how to resolve someof these dependencies as I really need these libraries to fire up this application. |
| 11:36.58 | DarkStar1 | I have used pip but I was only able to get one out of the 5 needed. |
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| 11:40.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | DarkStar1, as that's not a debian package, you're trying to compile it... well, it helps when your documentation tells you what libraries you need |
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| 11:40.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | pip? |
| 11:40.57 | babilen | CutMeOwnThroat: Python package manager |
| 11:40.59 | simonlnu | alternate to easy_install |
| 11:41.10 | babilen | (better alternative IMHO) |
| 11:41.25 | simonlnu | agreed, though is missing one thing easy_install has |
| 11:41.41 | simonlnu | (i don't remember right now what that is ;p) |
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| 11:44.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | so http://devstack.org/, what I guess he's talking about is python? |
| 11:44.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | they don't say that |
| 11:46.31 | archo43 | nobodys helping me in #bash :( |
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| 11:47.13 | simonlnu | not exactly obvious there's python deps on the home page |
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| 11:47.54 | DarkStar1 | CutMeOwnThroat: : Unable to locate package python-eventlet is one of the errors I get when I run the stack.sh script |
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| 11:48.26 | archo43 | oh nevermind got help |
| 11:48.30 | DarkStar1 | and the only non python dep is Unable to locate package open-iscsi-utils |
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| 11:50.35 | shaibn | Hello :) Even though I use --state-cache-days=365 with debmirror ; I keep getting 'State cache file does not exist; doing full mirroring' ; which in turn, takes the entire process a long long time. Why won't the cache exist if I use the state cache argument? |
| 11:50.44 | DanTheBeastMan | op |
| 11:51.53 | archo43 | the guy in #bash helped me a bit... but he said to ask... : ask #debian about commands that can play audio and commands that can eject your dvd drive |
| 11:52.44 | anoNxeRo | Hi, I'm on amd64, is there anyway of installing libssl.so.1.0.0 (32bit), i need it for a app, the libssl that is provided by ia32-lib is libssl.so.0.9.8? |
| 11:53.15 | themill | dpkg: tell archo43 about search |
| 11:53.15 | jelly | anoNxeRo: why not rebuild your app for your distro and release? |
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| 11:53.43 | davidauche | hello |
| 11:53.44 | jelly | anoNxeRo: mixing two different versions of openssl might not be a great idea |
| 11:53.57 | jelly | even though their sonames are different |
| 11:54.04 | archo43 | im not sure how to use dpkg.. whats regex? |
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| 11:54.40 | themill | archo43: they come with fine manuals and google is your friend too |
| 11:55.01 | anoNxeRo | jelly its a script i downloaded from http://hackety.com/ and i have no idea how it works |
| 11:55.26 | davidauche | please I have a PHP 5.2.0-8+etch16 (cli) I want to upgrade this version to php 5.2.17. but I have many applications on my server, it will have no impact? |
| 11:55.40 | simonlnu | omg... |
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| 11:55.54 | archo43 | oh |
| 11:56.05 | colo-work | ah, the joy that are PHP upgrades :) |
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| 11:56.15 | simonlnu | etch has been dead for ages. why haven't you upgraded? |
| 11:56.18 | jelly | anoNxeRo: is it publicly available? What was the URL? |
| 11:56.24 | archo43 | :( |
| 11:56.31 | themill | davidauche: you realise that etch hasn't had security support for over two years, don't you? |
| 11:56.49 | anoNxeRo | jelly is a ruby tutorial, http://hackety.com/ |
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| 11:57.02 | archo43 | im not very good at reading manuals, it will take me weeks to do this... cant someone quickly tell me the commands? |
| 11:57.06 | jelly | davidauche: it is very likely to have at least some impact. If you can, make a clone of the machine and test the upgrade to Debian 5. |
| 11:57.14 | davidauche | themill: yes :( |
| 11:57.14 | jelly | archo43: sure. Can you pay? |
| 11:57.32 | archo43 | yeh, $0.10 per line of code |
| 11:57.42 | jelly | it will be 500 lines. |
| 11:57.54 | archo43 | 500 lines to write an alarm clock? |
| 11:57.56 | jelly | yes. |
| 11:57.57 | themill | davidauche: so the real question is not what breaks when yo upgrade to 5.2.17 but what breaks when you upgrade to 5.3.3. |
| 11:58.05 | archo43 | im not sure if i like that programming style lol... seems a bit bloated |
| 11:58.08 | themill | jelly: cheater... I was going to go for 5kloc |
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| 11:58.43 | jelly | archo43: hey, if you can do it in less, go ahead :-) |
| 11:59.02 | jelly | likes his loops unrolled |
| 11:59.08 | archo43 | lol |
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| 11:59.28 | nsadmin | hands jelly some unrolled frootloops |
| 11:59.31 | davidauche | themill: I not like to make a radical change in case of problems so I prefer step by step. |
| 11:59.40 | archo43 | it takes 500 lines to play a sound repeatedly and eject/retract the dvdrom? |
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| 11:59.49 | themill | davidauche: sure, well step 1 is etch->lenny; step 2 is lenny->squeeze. |
| 11:59.54 | archo43 | i think your just trying to inflate your payment :) |
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| 12:00.17 | davidauche | themill: on debian I can not do a restore point for php? |
| 12:00.38 | themill | davidauche: not really... that's what virtual (test) machines are for |
| 12:00.49 | nsadmin | archo43, likely story. I'll believe there was ever a payment after seeing the check stub :P |
| 12:01.01 | lynks | #dns is a little quiet, any chance someone could look over a domain for me and tell me if they see any reason why it would be refusing to expire after 6 days? |
| 12:01.31 | archo43 | ok, is there a way to do this without bash? that alarm-clock program that someone suggested? is that written in c? can it be modified? |
| 12:01.42 | nsadmin | howbout perl? |
| 12:01.42 | davidauche | themill: this is very risky? |
| 12:02.15 | ChrisH | davidauche: honestly if this is important and productive stuff, you will have a test and another development system to do such checks. If you do not have such an environment, the system is not important. |
| 12:02.15 | themill | davidauche: where php is concerned, probably. It's even more risky to leave an etch box on the network though... |
| 12:02.19 | nsadmin | or, go for the gusto and write it in C yourself! |
| 12:02.34 | davidauche | I have lots of application on the server (forum, bugtracker, wordpress, ...) |
| 12:02.57 | jelly | archo43: if you want to do it yourself, bash will probably be the simplest tool to use. |
| 12:03.17 | nsadmin | there are lots of tutorials online.... Bash, perl, C, many many others |
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| 12:03.40 | archo43 | im a bit new to programming you see... i thought there was an easy way to do this |
| 12:03.41 | davidauche | themill: I have lots of application on the server (forum, bugtracker, wordpress, ...) |
| 12:04.15 | nsadmin | if you can tie a string from the dvd drive door to your cat's tail... |
| 12:04.16 | themill | davidauche: so you're likely to need to upgrade all of them too. I'd put money on each of them also having known security vulnerabilities too... |
| 12:04.44 | archo43 | nsadmin, nah that would never work, my cat has a poor sense of timing |
| 12:04.52 | davidauche | themill: So in your opinion what is the safest procedure to follow |
| 12:04.56 | archo43 | nsadmin, otherwise id train him to pee on me every morning instead |
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| 12:05.09 | nsadmin | and then cause the door to close... |
| 12:05.10 | archo43 | already tried that infact, didnt end up well |
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| 12:06.11 | jelly | archo43: use "apt-cache search stuff" to search for packages that might serve your purpose, eg. "apt-cache search eject" or "apt-cache search simple audio player" |
| 12:06.35 | archo43 | apt-cache search stuff |
| 12:06.43 | archo43 | its not working? |
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| 12:06.56 | archo43 | dpkg: apt-cache search stuff |
| 12:06.56 | dpkg | archo43: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 12:06.57 | nsadmin | archo43, would you wake up if you got peed on by your cat? |
| 12:07.05 | jelly | archo43: how does it fail to work? |
| 12:07.10 | lynks | archo43: you need to be root |
| 12:07.17 | jelly | lynks: no, he doesn't |
| 12:07.22 | archo43 | nsadmin, warm pee... i donno, its a 50/50 |
| 12:07.22 | simonlnu | no you don't |
| 12:07.29 | archo43 | nsadmin, maybe in winter |
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| 12:07.59 | archo43 | root? |
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| 12:08.15 | anisfarhana | nsadmin: you still here? you like a robot :D |
| 12:08.28 | nsadmin | nope, don't like robots |
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| 12:08.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's why he tries to steal their work |
| 12:08.53 | nsadmin | well except for debhelper |
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| 12:09.01 | themill | davidauche: replicate your setup in a VM. Try it out. See what breaks and work out how to fix it. Repeat on production box. If your bug tracker and forum etc are from debian packages, then hopefully the migration will be smooth. If not, hopefully the upstream developers have good docs on how to upgrade. |
| 12:09.06 | archo43 | is stuck |
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| 12:09.20 | lynks | sorry, youre right, ignore me |
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| 12:10.42 | davidauche | themill: thank you, so I must not do this update before testing php on VM :) |
| 12:10.48 | EvilToaster | archo43, http://wiki.debian.org/Root |
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| 12:11.10 | archo43 | oh im on my windows pc here... i dont think that has root |
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| 12:11.34 | EvilToaster | .... |
| 12:11.36 | archo43 | should i login as administrator instead? |
| 12:11.40 | nsadmin | it would be hard to get scriptiing for windows help here... |
| 12:11.49 | archo43 | no, the scripting is for my debian computer |
| 12:11.51 | Blackvel | anyone with libmilter1.0.1 / milter-regex problems with newer squeeze 6.0.3 libc6? 6.0.3 runs libc 2.11.3-2. milter-regexp does not start anymore. |
| 12:11.52 | archo43 | which is by my bed |
| 12:12.07 | Blackvel | run fine on older suqeeze 6.0.2 with libc < 2.11 |
| 12:12.15 | nsadmin | buy a bell and a relay |
| 12:12.43 | archo43 | a bell wont work... it needs to be a dvd tray and an .mp3 song... |
| 12:12.45 | archo43 | that plays |
| 12:13.02 | EvilToaster | login as root is easier for him then playing around with relays :) |
| 12:13.31 | jelly | archo43: people here will assume you have access to the Debian machine and are able to run commands on it. Helping you while the machine is offline is not a productive way to spend time. |
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| 12:14.06 | archo43 | the machine is online... i have a seperate keyboard/mouse/monitor |
| 12:14.08 | archo43 | its a nice setup :) |
| 12:14.21 | EvilToaster | archo43, and you are using debian ? |
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| 12:14.28 | archo43 | i might get a few more dvd drives for it once i solve this problem |
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| 12:14.40 | jelly | archo43: pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy" from the Debian machine. |
| 12:14.45 | nsadmin | your requirements are too specific for me... |
| 12:15.48 | davidauche | themill: thank you for your help |
| 12:15.49 | Fudge | :p loL |
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| 12:15.57 | archo43 | oh im supposed to run it on the machine... i thought dpkg did that |
| 12:16.44 | DarkStar1 | guess I'll give up for the time being |
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| 12:18.14 | themill | davidauche: good luck... |
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| 12:18.30 | davidauche | thanks again |
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| 12:20.00 | EvilToaster | archo43, did you install debian with or without graphical user interface? |
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| 12:21.01 | EvilToaster | archo43, do you have a terminal? black screen with white colour? |
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| 12:25.23 | nsadmin | archo43, hope you solve it... but not here. as you've seen, no one's going to write a script, or show you how... there are places that will do that |
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| 12:25.54 | nsadmin | why are you "supposed to" do anything? |
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| 12:27.25 | jelly | nsadmin: if you're going to feed him, at least have the decency to do it in an amusing way! |
| 12:29.01 | nsadmin | archo43, maybe you could try it in scheme.... |
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| 12:29.39 | nsadmin | that could be funny but it would give him too much power if he ever decided to learn it |
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| 12:30.44 | anisfarhana | jelly: you must feed the baby. |
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| 12:35.18 | nsadmin | this is no baby tho |
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| 12:41.57 | jokar1 | hello all |
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| 12:42.13 | jokar1 | how can I use my AD username and password for linux login |
| 12:42.18 | jokar1 | ? |
| 12:42.22 | jargon- | i've been getting this error lately, when trying to install debian squeeze from pxe http://dpaste.org/3vTmn/ this happens at the "Starting up the partitioner" window, with the progress bar at exactly 59%,each time. do u know what this means? |
| 12:42.47 | jokar1 | I have a active directory and want use my usename and password in it for my linux login |
| 12:42.59 | jokar1 | is it possible? |
| 12:43.11 | nsadmin | where does the active directory live |
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| 12:43.31 | nsadmin | you may or may not be able to use the password as tored |
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| 12:43.58 | jelly | jokar1: do you already have matching users existing on the Debian box |
| 12:44.45 | jokar1 | I have a windows server with active directory and I have a user name and password |
| 12:44.58 | jokar1 | is must be match? |
| 12:45.09 | anoNxeRo | dumb question, please dont kill me, but can i install this on debian? http://packages.ubuntu.com/natty/amd64/ia32-libs/filelist |
| 12:45.48 | jelly | jokar1: things are much simpler if your unix username matches your domain username, yes. |
| 12:45.59 | jelly | jokar1: then you can just go and use pam_ldap |
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| 12:46.21 | jokar1 | I should install pam_ldap |
| 12:46.25 | jokar1 | ? |
| 12:47.14 | jelly | jokar1: answer the question first. Do you have already created users on the Debian machine? Are you using the same usernames as in AD? |
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| 12:47.43 | plm | people, for start a application I'm putting the start in /etc/rc.local. for stop this app when I do a reboot/halt, where I put this command to stop app bofore machine stop? |
| 12:47.50 | jokar1 | jelly: my Debian login not match with my AD |
| 12:48.03 | jokar1 | I have a account on my ldap |
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| 12:48.26 | threadlock | so you have not set up any users on the debian machine? |
| 12:48.27 | maharaja_ | hi! is there a special channel dedicated to debian packaging (i need to achieve something via postinst)? or may i simply ask my question in here? |
| 12:48.28 | jelly | jokar1: so you'll need some sort of a mapping as well. That's more than I've dealt with, sorry. |
| 12:48.33 | threadlock | jokar1: http://wiki.debian.org/Authenticating_Linux_With_Active_Directory |
| 12:48.40 | babilen | anoNxeRo: That package is in Debian, so yes you can easily install it with "apt-get install ia32-libs" -- You should *not* install the Ubuntu package though. |
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| 12:49.06 | babilen | !tell maharaja_ -about mentors |
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| 12:49.12 | jokar1 | Thank you all |
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| 12:49.22 | oznt | hi everyone |
| 12:49.36 | anoNxeRo | babilen☣ the debian packages is missing some libraries that i need, is there a work around that?! |
| 12:49.55 | oznt | is there someone here who knows the old secrets of expect? i need to spawn a bash shell and log it's contents... |
| 12:49.56 | babilen | anoNxeRo: Which library do you need and what do you need it for? Which Debian release are you tracking? |
| 12:50.31 | jokar1 | threadlock: thanks |
| 12:50.38 | jokar1 | jelly: thanks |
| 12:51.16 | anoNxeRo | babilen☣ im on wheezy at the mo, im trying to install this ruby tutorial, and one of the libraries is librtmp.so.0 |
| 12:51.28 | anoNxeRo | babilen☣ trying to install this http://hackety.com |
| 12:52.09 | babilen | !tell anoNxeRo -about apt-file |
| 12:52.41 | babilen | anoNxeRo: That library is, unsurprisingly, found in the librtmp0 package. There is, however, no 32 bit version available. |
| 12:52.55 | maharaja_ | babilen: thanks! |
| 12:53.03 | babilen | maharaja_: See you there and have fun! |
| 12:53.21 | anoNxeRo | babilen☣ i need a 32 version, because i have librtmp0 installed allready |
| 12:53.44 | jelly | anoNxeRo: I'd suggest creating a 32bit chroot using debootstrap and running that thing inside the 32bit environment. |
| 12:53.53 | babilen | +1 |
| 12:54.12 | babilen | (Or run it in a virtual machine) |
| 12:54.44 | anoNxeRo | ok thanks jelly and babilen great help. :) |
| 12:54.55 | babilen | !tell anoNxeRo -about debootstrap |
| 12:55.07 | anoNxeRo | babilen☣ cheers:) |
| 12:55.51 | babilen | anoNxeRo: A virtual machine running in, say, kvm or virtualbox might come in handy though. |
| 12:56.39 | JANSSEN\djota | anybody using _amavisd-new_ ? im wondering that the amavisd.conf file has disappeared. can i still create and let amavisd use it? |
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| 13:02.48 | jelly | JANSSEN\djota: it's been sliced into tiny little bits |
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| 13:02.59 | Innocentus | hi |
| 13:03.51 | Innocentus | I want to change the init order that mount/fstab is done before apache2- and mysql-server |
| 13:04.14 | Innocentus | I guess the root system is mounted by the bootloader / initrd |
| 13:04.21 | Innocentus | but fstab is executed later |
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| 13:05.38 | simonlnu | say what? mountall etc. is run after httpd and mysqld? |
| 13:05.47 | simonlnu | that's really borked.. |
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| 13:06.35 | themill | doubts that |
| 13:06.53 | JANSSEN\djota | jelly: i see, strange enough i can't find the file to define $myhostname. which is kinda essential |
| 13:07.14 | oznt | no one here knows expect ? darn old tcl? |
| 13:08.25 | jelly | JANSSEN\djota: which debian release and version of amavisd-new? |
| 13:08.37 | JANSSEN\djota | jelly: sqeeze, latest stable |
| 13:08.44 | JANSSEN\djota | jelly: s/sqeeze/squeeze |
| 13:08.58 | jelly | JANSSEN\djota: I meant literally, dpkg -l amavisd-new | tail -1 |
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| 13:09.31 | JANSSEN\djota | jelly: 1:2.6.4-3 |
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| 13:10.00 | qmr1 | how do I see just what apt-get will do and where packages will come from, but NOT actually install or modify anything? |
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| 13:11.53 | jelly | qmr1: it has a --dry-run parameter, check the manual page for the exact syntax |
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| 13:12.07 | jelly | might have been -s, unsure |
| 13:12.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | Innocentus, all mounting is done at boot in rcS.d, the apache stuff in rc2.d ... if not, that's something you or someone else did |
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| 13:13.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | runs jelly dry |
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| 13:15.06 | JANSSEN\djota | jelly: and what now? |
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| 13:17.03 | Arrick | hey guys/gals, whats a good software that i can load and find out who/what is hogging my network bandwidth? |
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| 13:17.31 | Arrick | I was looking at something like "etherape" but I want to make sure I get the accurate software |
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| 13:18.01 | jelly | JANSSEN\djota: sorry, I'm too busy right now. My slightly older installation has a /etc/amavis/conf.d/05-node_id with chomp($myhostname = `hostname --fqdn`); |
| 13:18.04 | user` | hi all |
| 13:18.51 | JANSSEN\djota | jelly: ah i see, i found that chomp line too. what does that chomp thing do? |
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| 13:20.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | Arrick, if you are looking for 'something like "etherape"' what prevents you from just using that? |
| 13:20.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | there's netams, too |
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| 13:21.26 | Arrick | CutMeOwnThroat, I was asking for advice, and am not sure if that is really what I am looking for. |
| 13:21.41 | Arrick | I was just looking at that because it came up in a google search |
| 13:21.42 | user` | bye all |
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| 13:21.53 | JANSSEN\djota | Arrick: try it its free |
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| 13:22.34 | Arrick | does it play well with the latest stable JANSSEN\djota ? |
| 13:22.39 | jargon- | i've been getting this error lately, when trying to install debian squeeze from pxe http://dpaste.org/3vTmn/ this happens at the "Starting up the partitioner" window, with the progress bar at exactly 59%,each time. do u know what this means? |
| 13:22.49 | JANSSEN\djota | Arrick: i haven't tried lately |
| 13:22.54 | Arrick | lol |
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| 13:23.01 | Arrick | thats what I am really trying to find out. |
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| 13:23.27 | simonlnu | JANSSEN\djota: chomp() is a perl built-in |
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| 13:23.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | quickest way would be to try it... install apt-listbugs if you fear horrendous bugs stopping your whole machine |
| 13:23.46 | simonlnu | JANSSEN\djota: perldoc perlfunc |
| 13:23.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | or have a look at bugs.debian.org/<packagename> yourself |
| 13:24.04 | JANSSEN\djota | simonlnu: ah i see. thanks |
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| 13:25.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | Arrick, there's also ntop on the simpler side... |
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| 13:25.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | Arrick, I suggest searching with apt-cache search <search terms> instead of google, though :) |
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| 13:26.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | (apt-cache show <packagename> to see the package description) |
| 13:27.05 | nodiscc | Arrick: netstat, ntop |
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| 13:30.20 | nodiscc | hello people, i've been testing my own apache server against 100 concurrent connections with siege (http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/siege), loading a php page. As expected, load average goes crazy, so I installed Varnish, and load average doesnt decrease, even though it's properly configured (i can see it in varnishlog) |
| 13:30.44 | nodiscc | is varnish supposed to reduce load in this situation? or is there an alternative? |
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| 13:33.08 | Innocentus | CutMeOwnThroat: how can I force that a samba share is mounted first _before_ apache2 and mysqld is started? |
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| 13:35.17 | Innocentus | CutMeOwnThroat: I have to use mount -a after boot and restart of apache2 and mysql |
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| 13:35.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | rcS.d/S11mountall.sh: mount -a -t nonfs,nfs4,smbfs,cifs,ncp,ncpfs,coda,ocfs2,gfs,gfs2 \ |
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| 13:36.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | should mount everything in fstab, also smbfs |
| 13:36.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | perhaps the mount fails for some reason... then you should find out what that is |
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| 13:37.17 | jelly | CutMeOwnThroat: "no foo,bar,baz" . |
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| 13:37.36 | jelly | TFM: "The list of filesystem types can be prefixed with no to specify the filesystem types on which no action should be taken." |
| 13:37.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | wut,wat,waz? |
| 13:37.38 | JANSSEN\djota | can somebody tell me what happened to package _dcc-client_ ? |
| 13:38.05 | jelly | CutMeOwnThroat: that command roughly means "mount everything except the network fs types" |
| 13:38.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | jelly, only nfs has a "no" |
| 13:38.57 | jelly | CutMeOwnThroat: and it applies to the whole list, RTFM |
| 13:38.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | or do you think that's for all of them |
| 13:39.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm |
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| 13:39.14 | jelly | just quoted that bit |
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| 13:39.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | eye sea |
| 13:39.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh |
| 13:39.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, that explains it |
| 13:39.51 | jelly | you may need glasses! Or coffee |
| 13:40.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | coffee! good idea! |
| 13:40.37 | sephii | is there a way to do differential backups with backuppc? |
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| 13:44.21 | EmoSpice | sephii: From what I see, backuppc uses rsync on the backend - so there should be. |
| 13:44.21 | Arrick | hey, the net install iso is a cd image right? |
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| 13:45.14 | EmoSpice | Arrick: Unless I'm mistaken, it'll work as a hybrid image. |
| 13:45.20 | Arrick | ok |
| 13:45.32 | Arrick | I just wanted to make sure that a CD would suffice and I didnt have to burn it to a dvd |
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| 13:45.45 | ksuhku | sure would |
| 13:45.47 | EmoSpice | Arrick: Ah. No need. |
| 13:45.52 | Arrick | ok, thanks |
| 13:46.00 | sephii | EmoSpice: it's doing incremental backup everytime, and I can't find anything regarding this in the settings |
| 13:46.17 | EmoSpice | sephii: wait. What do you mean by differential? |
| 13:46.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | jelly, you're right... that mount happens too early, before network... the smb and others are don in S16mountnfs.sh |
| 13:46.48 | EmoSpice | I might have just told you wrong, sephii |
| 13:46.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | still that's before anything in rc2.d is run |
| 13:47.28 | sephii | EmoSpice: backup files that have changed since the last incremental or differential backup |
| 13:47.58 | sephii | EmoSpice: at the moment it seems to be backuping all the files that have changed since the last full backup |
| 13:48.00 | EmoSpice | sephii: so you want to only backup the file if it's changed, and you want to backup the entire changed file? |
| 13:48.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | Innocentus, look in your logs after a boot if you get messages from a failed mount? |
| 13:48.26 | Innocentus | ok |
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| 13:48.44 | sephii | EmoSpice: I'd like that, if I run 2 backups one after another and without any file changed, the second backup doesn't backup anything |
| 13:49.07 | EmoSpice | sephii: That should describe both differential and incremental backups. |
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| 13:50.39 | EmoSpice | sephii: (I say this without knowing too much about backup solutions, for the record.) |
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| 13:51.24 | sephii | EmoSpice: seems like this can be achieved with backup levels, I'll give it a try |
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| 13:51.32 | EmoSpice | sephii: Good luck :) |
| 13:51.54 | sephii | EmoSpice: thanks |
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| 14:12.32 | Innocentus | How can I start sysv-rc-conf for changing the order? |
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| 14:15.16 | ksuhku | Innocentus, can one do that with sysv-re-conf? |
| 14:15.52 | ksuhku | i though you only can use it to switch the runlevels |
| 14:16.42 | Innocentus | I found it: |
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| 14:16.47 | Innocentus | sysv-rc-conf -p |
| 14:17.00 | ksuhku | ah, looks like you're right :) |
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| 14:20.35 | bs0d | I need to cancel a printing job, and that popup window is pissing me off, insert paper |
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| 14:22.03 | lancelot_of | hi there |
| 14:22.29 | lancelot_of | i can't find anymore linux-image-2.6.39-amd64 in debian repos. Why?Where to find it? |
| 14:22.30 | blawiz | hi |
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| 14:23.53 | thewanderer1 | lancelot_of, in which repos in particular? |
| 14:24.10 | thewanderer1 | testing? sid? |
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| 14:25.06 | lancelot_of | thewanderer1, stable/testing |
| 14:25.24 | lancelot_of | thewanderer1, dunno if it's in sid, i'm going to look for |
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| 14:25.53 | thewanderer1 | lancelot_of, there's never been any in stable, you probably mean testing. it must have moved on, as 2.6.39 had at least one remote DoS hole and one local root exploit... |
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| 14:26.28 | thewanderer1 | I guess it was easier to upload new versions than to backport changes to 2.6.39 |
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| 14:27.44 | lancelot_of | thewanderer1, the problem is that new 3.* kernels, buggy i guess, raise my cpu temp of more than 10°C respect to 2.6.39, making fan steering up constantly to 3500 rpms |
| 14:27.52 | NishaKitty | does anyone know if the ominous .xsession-errors log filling up your hard drive was ever fixed? |
| 14:28.32 | thewanderer1 | lancelot_of, have you tried the newest kernel from kernel.org? |
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| 14:28.51 | lancelot_of | thewanderer1, which one? |
| 14:29.04 | thewanderer1 | the stable one |
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| 14:30.07 | thewanderer1 | actually, there's a 3.2 in sid |
| 14:30.34 | engla | 3.2 in wheezy and backports too |
| 14:30.39 | thewanderer1 | right |
| 14:31.14 | thewanderer1 | must've had a stale apt cache :P |
| 14:31.14 | lancelot_of | 3.2 in wheezy is the one which makes troubles to my cpu |
| 14:31.31 | thewanderer1 | hm, is any kernel thread responsible for that? |
| 14:31.35 | lancelot_of | if it's the same as the stable in kernel.org i don't see the point why i should try from there |
| 14:31.49 | thewanderer1 | true |
| 14:31.57 | engla | lancelot_of: have you used powertop to investigate? |
| 14:34.08 | lancelot_of | engla, i tried but i can't understand how to correctly interpret powertop output |
| 14:34.38 | engla | well it would be most interesting to compare powertop output depending on kernel version anyway |
| 14:34.59 | engla | powertop exposes a lot of powersaving parameters though |
| 14:35.12 | engla | and shows which cpu states are used |
| 14:35.43 | lancelot_of | engla, yes, i agree but i've changed HD 'cause it broke and now i'm not able to get the 'stable for me' 2.6.39 image |
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| 14:42.49 | Denys117 | :) |
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| 14:58.02 | avernos | my laptop(lenovo v460) has a GPU switch, how can i deal with that on debian stable? |
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| 15:04.30 | darkknightcz | hi, is it possible to grab part of stream? (only set time) |
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| 15:17.45 | thewanderer1 | darkknightcz, see streamripper, a program capable of capturing streams - it should have options for that |
| 15:18.08 | darkknightcz | thewanderer1: thanks |
| 15:19.17 | thewanderer1 | (my question now) how do Kerberos clients ensure the authenticity of the KDC so that they are not attacked via MITM? or does the challenge-response completely mitigate that danger (what about rainbow tables and malicious hash salts etc.)? |
| 15:20.46 | thewanderer1 | avernos, Bumblebee software (not in Debian) is designed to deal with that, but it may or may not support Debian. what I did on my laptop was disable the NVIDIA GPU completely to save power via ACPI... |
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| 15:21.39 | thewanderer1 | (krb5 cont'd) I'm asking not because I'm curious but because I want to be certain that if I take my laptop to a hostile environment and there's a hostile KDC there, it won't capture my credentials |
| 15:23.13 | avernos | thewanderer1, the ACPI switch isnt recognized, how did you set it up? i've had the nvidia GPU disabled, but im not getting good results with performance, it would be good to make that ACPI switch working, but if not, i might just leave the nvidia GPU completely enabled and check how it goes |
| 15:23.14 | abrotman | thewanderer1: given my limitedknowledge of krb .. wouldn't that fail immediately because your key exchange would fail ? |
| 15:23.26 | abrotman | ticket, key .. whatever .. |
| 15:24.13 | thewanderer1 | abrotman, I never saved the KDC's key on the client, so unless I'm missing something, the client has no means of authenticating the KDC |
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| 15:25.44 | thewanderer1 | avernos, I used the acpi_call module and a custom-made raw call to disable the built-in GPU, because my BIOS doesn't offer an option to do that and save power :P |
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| 15:26.28 | avernos | thewanderer1, sounds interesting, did you write it or have any howto link to do that? |
| 15:27.52 | thewanderer1 | avernos, I used this http://hybrid-graphics-linux.tuxfamily.org/index.php?title=ACPI_calls plus some experimentation to figure out the ACPI call |
| 15:28.17 | avernos | great! thanks a bunch |
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| 15:31.20 | fasta | Is there a way to run a set of processes as if system resources are really low? |
| 15:32.01 | fasta | So, that it will actually use swap when more than 200MB of memory is used for example? |
| 15:32.27 | fasta | (without setting up a VM of course) |
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| 15:32.36 | thewanderer1 | fasta, cgroups - it supports memory and swap limiting. about CPU, CFS supports that but I'm not sure it's in the mainline yet |
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| 15:33.46 | diverdude | Is it possible to convert DRM10 to MP3 ? |
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| 15:34.20 | petemc | theres a format called drm10? |
| 15:34.22 | thewanderer1 | abrotman, I can't see why the key exchange would fail - presumably, the attacker can send back a ticket |
| 15:35.06 | Trewas | fasta: you can boot with kernel parameter mem=256m (or any other number) if you want to test a memory limited system performance |
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| 15:36.59 | straterra | Is there a practical way to host an internal debian mirror for debian 6? |
| 15:37.07 | straterra | Last time I looked, the repos were MASSIVE |
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| 15:38.10 | hoxu | straterra, had a look at apt-cacher-ng? |
| 15:38.41 | straterra | I haven't, but I will now |
| 15:39.11 | straterra | The problem is that my software mirror isn't Debian :/ |
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| 15:41.20 | abrotman | thewanderer1: so your clients will accept any ticket from any server? |
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| 15:41.34 | thewanderer1 | abrotman, it seems so - I can't find a reason they would do otherwise |
| 15:41.55 | dobby156 | what is it in the default debain (6) installation that makes the terminal auto completion a bit more inteligent than other distros? |
| 15:41.58 | Blackvel | hi. are there any changes for libc and libmilter in squeeze 6.0.3? libc6 got updated to 2.11 and now my compiled milter-regexp - which uses libmilter - does not work anymore |
| 15:42.18 | abrotman | judd: versions libc6 |
| 15:42.19 | Blackvel | do i really have to remove libmilter package and compile it by myself? |
| 15:42.19 | judd | Package: libc6 on i386 -- lenny: 2.7-18lenny7; lenny-security: 2.7-18lenny7; squeeze: 2.11.3-2; squeeze-proposed-updates: 2.11.3-3; sid: 2.13-26; wheezy: 2.13-26 |
| 15:42.27 | thewanderer1 | dobby156, bash-completion ? |
| 15:42.27 | abrotman | Blackvel: from what? lenny? |
| 15:42.35 | Blackvel | no squeeze 6.0.2 |
| 15:42.35 | dobby156 | thewanderer1: yeah |
| 15:42.38 | Blackvel | was working before |
| 15:42.56 | abrotman | thewanderer1: there is a #kerberos ? |
| 15:42.59 | Blackvel | just had a aptitude update which updated about 60 packages |
| 15:43.02 | thewanderer1 | dobby156, I mean that's a package name |
| 15:43.03 | dobby156 | thewanderer1: ah i see, thank |
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| 15:43.24 | thewanderer1 | abrotman, hm, I'll try there |
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| 15:43.38 | Blackvel | "smfi_main: terminating due to error |
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| 15:44.23 | Blackvel | this is when the function is called in libmilter. i am not 100% sure if it is a libc version problem...i guess so.... i would have to know how to debug libmilter or enable logging :( |
| 15:44.27 | dobby156 | thewanderer1: it is one of thing I like the most about debian, I can have it on arch too now i know what it is :D |
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| 15:57.16 | jhutchins_wk | !arch |
| 15:57.16 | dpkg | from memory, arch is a hardware architecture (i386, amd64, armel, mips, mipsel, sparc, powerpc, alpha, hppa, s390 && ia64). Also a source control revision system (GNU arch). Arch (and its twin brother ArX) resides at http://arch.fifthvision.net/, or http://www.linuxjournal.com/article.php?sid=5928, or #arch Since lenny, /bin/arch has disappeared, use "uname -m" instead, or <architecture>, or <arch linux>. |
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| 16:00.47 | abrotman | jhutchins_wk: the bot has /msg ability .. and even a !tell |
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| 16:01.45 | Pythos | howdy, I d/l'd the dvd-1 of testing last night, and burned it to DVD, unfortunately, it does not boot on power up, anyone else having this kind of trouble, or is it just somethign I am missing? |
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| 16:03.33 | jhutchins_wk | abrotman: Amazing! |
| 16:03.59 | abrotman | try using it |
| 16:04.10 | thewanderer1 | Pythos, too little information I suppose |
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| 16:04.32 | jhutchins_wk | abrotman: How would you know if I did? |
| 16:04.49 | abrotman | useless in so many ways ... |
| 16:05.18 | themill | jhutchins_wk: because you spewed and incredibly useless factoid into the channel. It's worth knowing what the bot is going to say before using it. |
| 16:06.31 | abrotman | or being responsible enough to know when to use it in the channel instewad of via !tell or msg |
| 16:07.07 | Pythos | thewanderer1: ya, well the burned image on DVD fails to boot... happened with the small cd for network install as well. Perhaps the intel core i5 isn't an ia-64 arch? |
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| 16:07.14 | nkuttler | or taking meta converstaions to -offtopic |
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| 16:09.10 | Pythos | I will try installing it in a vm I guess... Perhaps I will get some ideas from that exersize |
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| 16:11.43 | thewanderer1 | Pythos, bah, obviously not IA-64 |
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| 16:11.56 | chalcedony | what solutions have people found to web browsers not being up to date enough for gmail in squeeze? |
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| 16:12.12 | thewanderer1 | Pythos, IA-64 is Itanium by Intel and HP, used in server systems and dead by now |
| 16:12.20 | abrotman | chalcedony: mozilla.debian.net |
| 16:12.24 | thewanderer1 | chalcedony, not using gmail |
| 16:12.25 | Pythos | man! derp! |
| 16:12.28 | Pythos | no wonder |
| 16:12.42 | Pythos | I want amd64 then? |
| 16:13.09 | thewanderer1 | yes |
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| 16:13.21 | thewanderer1 | Intel actually licenses that from AMD :P |
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| 16:13.48 | Pythos | krap, that took 6 hours to d/l |
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| 16:14.46 | Synthead | is there a way to install pdftk without all the extra junk for a headless server? |
| 16:15.29 | CardinalFang | Hi. What does Policy or de-facto policy say about making packaging that downloads undistributable program and runs some proprietary software in order to make Free source code into a binary package. |
| 16:15.49 | CardinalFang | E.g. GCC+1 that's not Free as build-dep. |
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| 16:21.30 | Mortvert | Hi. |
| 16:21.51 | simonlnu | .iH |
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| 16:22.18 | Mortvert | Why do i keep getting 'chroot: failed to run command /bin/bash: No such file' when i obviously have bash installed? |
| 16:22.34 | simonlnu | is it installed in the chroot? |
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| 16:22.58 | CardinalFang | Mortvert, do you have /path/to/chroot/bin/bash ? |
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| 16:23.09 | Mortvert | CardinalFang - uhhh, nope. |
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| 16:23.18 | simonlnu | that's your problem then |
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| 16:25.18 | rick__ | is there some gui like webmin for the single domain server, to add users, chroot directories, etc? |
| 16:25.40 | CardinalFang | chroot the whats? |
| 16:25.47 | simonlnu | /bin/zsh |
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| 16:27.46 | Cyclohexane | is it possible to make a directory that is undeleteable? so i could do a cron backup to it and reduce the possibility of losing the backups if some idiot manages to rm everything? |
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| 16:28.28 | jelly | Cyclohexane: don't give idiots access to backup media. |
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| 16:29.01 | Synthead | is mysql 5.5 available from the regular repos as stable? |
| 16:29.03 | simonlnu | that stuff should be r/o if they need to cp directly from it |
| 16:29.07 | jelly | Cyclohexane: workarounds: mount /backup, do the backup, umount |
| 16:29.27 | Mortvert | okay, i have no idea how to set up chroot |
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| 16:29.31 | Cyclohexane | its on a remote box |
| 16:29.35 | engla | chattr +i too |
| 16:29.53 | CardinalFang | Mortvert, it's just like setting up a root. It needs all the same stuff. |
| 16:29.56 | Cyclohexane | i was meant if the idiot someone exploited a piece of software and gained access |
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| 16:30.06 | Mortvert | CardinalFang - still, no effing idea how to do that |
| 16:30.13 | jelly | Cyclohexane: you can run "mount" on a remote box as well. that immutable attribute engla talks about may also be useful |
| 16:30.16 | engla | chattr is pretty useless, but the directory itself becomes undeletable |
| 16:30.32 | CardinalFang | Mortvert, first, why? What are you trying to do? |
| 16:30.34 | jelly | engla: but he could +i all the backup files |
| 16:30.40 | simonlnu | Mortvert: for every binary you want to include in it, you need dependent libraries. ldd can help you there |
| 16:30.46 | Synthead | Cyclohexane: a chroot should be about plan B. if someone exploited software, examine your software |
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| 16:31.07 | simonlnu | i thought of chattr +i, but there's issues with that (having to unset it to access the dumb thing) |
| 16:31.21 | Pythos | Ok, so on the cdimage.debian.org site, where is the testing "small cd" image that is used for booting to a (mostly) net-install? |
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| 16:31.31 | Lambertini | br |
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| 16:31.49 | as001 | hello how can I answer automaticly on ncurses prompts during apt-get installation of some packages. I want to automaticly answer on question about root password on mysql. Is it possible ? |
| 16:32.02 | Mortvert | CardinalFang - chroot for debootstrapping |
| 16:32.14 | CardinalFang | simonlnu, it doesn't do what you want anyway. it may protect /foo/plus-eyed/A, but wouldn't /foo/plus-eyed/B/C |
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| 16:32.33 | simonlnu | i know. it's pretty useless |
| 16:32.34 | CardinalFang | Mortvert, but why? What's the debootstrap for? |
| 16:32.52 | fiRepath | is away: I'm busy |
| 16:32.52 | Mortvert | CardinalFang - i want a very very basic debian OS etc. |
| 16:33.00 | Mortvert | so i can shave it to around 100 mb if possible |
| 16:33.07 | CardinalFang | Ah. Hrm. |
| 16:33.28 | Mortvert | And i have little to no idea about what i'm doing |
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| 16:34.21 | jelly | Mortvert: uh. debootstrap IS a tool that creates a chroot. What is your goal? |
| 16:34.31 | CardinalFang | Mortvert, debootstrap (IIRC) should get you most of the way there. Install the base system, and that should get you a shell. |
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| 16:35.08 | simonlnu | you run debootstrap to the end, and you can chroot to it. just need to mount stuff in it. it's not hard. |
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| 16:35.49 | Pythos | where can I find a net-install (small cd image) for 'testing' distro? |
| 16:36.12 | simonlnu | Pythos: are you wanting to test it to help debug it? |
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| 16:36.36 | Pythos | simonlnu: yes, but perhaps not in the way you think |
| 16:36.43 | thewanderer1 | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/amd64/iso-cd/ ? |
| 16:37.13 | Pythos | thewanderer1: those are full cd size, the one I am looking for would be around 200M |
| 16:37.22 | simonlnu | Pythos: better to get squeeze then dist upgrade to wheezy; or get the kmuto if you have newer hardware |
| 16:37.31 | as001 | DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive apt-get install -y mysql-server can install without prompt for password but then mysql does not let me to log on mysql without password as I expect. |
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| 16:38.02 | thewanderer1 | Pythos, full CD, yet the size column says 195MB? |
| 16:38.02 | Pythos | simonlnu: intel i5 .. newer? |
| 16:38.18 | Pythos | thewanderer1: huh, looking again |
| 16:38.30 | simonlnu | ask someone who knows ;). |
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| 16:38.45 | thewanderer1 | Squeeze installer has worked for me on i7 Sandy Bridge |
| 16:39.01 | simonlnu | yes, that's new, but i'm thinking more devices than cpud |
| 16:39.02 | jelly | you lucky person you |
| 16:39.11 | simonlnu | cpus |
| 16:39.36 | thewanderer1 | yes, it was a laptop |
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| 16:40.40 | matthieu637 | hello, anyone know a tool that converts source code (with latex mathematical formulas in comment ) to a web page (with latex images viewed )? |
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| 16:40.45 | matthieu637 | src2latex like (but in web with syntax highlighting and functionality with python) |
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| 16:41.07 | Pythos | I am trying to get one of my firewire devices to talk, so I guess that is what my level of contribution would be |
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| 16:41.37 | MmikeBIRTIJA | Hi, lads. Is there a recommendation on what to use if I want to have ssh wth one time passwords? |
| 16:41.54 | Pythos | Windows? |
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| 16:42.10 | freshly-squeezed | what package would one install to get the xfce4 desktopm environment? |
| 16:42.28 | jordanm | freshly-squeezed: xfce4 and xfce4-goodies |
| 16:43.01 | thewanderer1 | Mmike, otpw |
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| 16:43.56 | freshly-squeezed | jordanm: Is there a minimal xorserver package on debian ? |
| 16:44.27 | MmikeBIRTIJA | thewanderer1: neat, thnx. I've found opie, but i'll check this too. |
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| 16:56.12 | thewanderer1 | would would I go about reconfiguring an MIT kerberos server - i.e. instantiating a new realm and forgetting all previous configs? |
| 16:56.47 | simonlnu | delete the db and re-init |
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| 16:57.09 | thewanderer1 | and that's safe? |
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| 16:57.44 | simonlnu | you want it all gone right? |
| 16:57.53 | thewanderer1 | I guess so |
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| 16:58.13 | simonlnu | of course it's not safe, it's going to be deleted ;) |
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| 16:58.41 | thewanderer1 | let's see what --purge will do for me first |
| 16:58.45 | karlpinc | thewanderer1: I've always used opie. Does otpw have anything special going for it? |
| 16:59.27 | thewanderer1 | karlpinc, great security - prevents guessing the last char when you've typed in almost all your OTP. |
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| 16:59.38 | simonlnu | i'm wanting to try out the mit ldap stuff, but i don't want to screw with the working heimdal |
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| 16:59.58 | thewanderer1 | MIT ldap? that would be a disaster :P |
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| 17:00.25 | simonlnu | no, i meant ldap backed kerby db |
| 17:00.58 | karlpinc | thewanderer1: I don't understand. What's the attack vector? |
| 17:01.19 | Daniel_17 | Yo! I am looking for backup software to do daily incremental backups of certain folders and daily fll backups of MySQL databases. They must be stored on a FTP share. Would also be cool if it could manage the FTP share (delete old backups, etc). IT MUST BE SIMPLE! |
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| 17:01.47 | thewanderer1 | karlpinc, keylogger. you type in 9 out of 10 chars of your key, the keylogger brute-forces the last one and gains access before you manage to press the last key on your keyboard |
| 17:02.00 | karlpinc | Daniel_17: Nothing is simple. |
| 17:02.20 | Daniel_17 | karlpinc: wrong |
| 17:02.28 | simonlnu | esp. ftp "share" for storing backups |
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| 17:02.38 | karlpinc | thewanderer1: The pam module does some sort of throttling/cutoff? |
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| 17:03.13 | thewanderer1 | karlpinc, it asks for 3 keys when another login is in progress |
| 17:03.31 | simonlnu | hello anonymous@foo.tld welcome to the anon. ftp site! |
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| 17:04.06 | thewanderer1 | so you start your login over SSH, the attacker connects and types in the same, starts bruteforce but alas, he needs to type the last character *and* the next two full passwords :P |
| 17:04.08 | simonlnu | hm, i'll fetch the mysql backup file, and see all these users. |
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| 17:07.21 | karlpinc | Daniel_17: You can look at http://paste.debian.net/156363/ to see about dumping mysql to the fs, and then backup from there. (But I find mysql painful and prefer postgresql.) |
| 17:07.43 | karlpinc | thewanderer1: I like it. |
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| 17:08.20 | Daniel_17 | karlpinc: ,thanks for the hint, but that has already a cmplexity I like to avoid :) |
| 17:08.53 | karlpinc | Daniel_17: You are not going to get around dumping the db to the fs. Otherwise you won't be able to restore with assurance. |
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| 17:09.09 | crissi | hello |
| 17:09.30 | karlpinc | Daniel_17: (Well, you could dump the db straight over the network. |
| 17:09.44 | crissi | i want to upgrade a lenny box to squeeze. it seems all ok except one thing: cyrus |
| 17:09.49 | karlpinc | But something tells me that's got complexity you'd like to avoid.) |
| 17:10.03 | crissi | how i can convert the databases? |
| 17:10.21 | Daniel_17 | arrrr |
| 17:10.24 | karlpinc | crissi: Try the readme.debian. |
| 17:10.27 | crissi | its a pity that cyrus is not optional after upgrade |
| 17:10.29 | karlpinc | !tell crissi about readme.debian |
| 17:10.29 | simonlnu | they have a readme |
| 17:10.36 | crissi | that readme is crap |
| 17:10.46 | crissi | already read |
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| 17:11.25 | crissi | super lol: WHY THERE IS NO AUTOMATED UPGRADE SCRIPT: Because we are quite short on time |
| 17:11.25 | crissi | lately: it is much faster to write a doc than to write and test the script. |
| 17:12.10 | simonlnu | so i guess db*_upgrade is too hard? |
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| 17:12.23 | crissi | i tried but wont work |
| 17:12.35 | karlpinc | !tell crissi about doesn't work |
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| 17:13.57 | thewanderer1 | does NFSv4 in Debian still need des-cbc-crc and weak_crypto to work? |
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| 17:15.32 | crissi | hahaahaha# |
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| 17:18.07 | crissi | i must say, the upgrade to squeeze was not the best... there are verious bugs... (different servers..), samba, cyrus, mysql... |
| 17:18.31 | crissi | upgrade to lenny was easier |
| 17:19.20 | karlpinc | crissi: Frankly I'm having pains with X. Not to mention having my consoles become unreadable with a teenzey font. But, follow the release notes and at least you catch lots of the issues. |
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| 17:21.01 | crissi | i already have read. that helps not in all cases. I'm tried a upgrade on a virtual machine first... i cant expect problems on productive server |
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| 17:21.47 | zykotick9 | can apt-cacher function in the aptproxy form? Examples: entered during netinstall proxy question, or specified in the 1 line apt.conf file. I've only seen guides recommending editing source.list replacing the current repo addresses with the apt-cacher's address. |
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| 17:28.33 | crissi | cvt_cyrusdb /var/lib/cyrus/deliver.db db3 /var/lib/cyrus/temp.db flat |
| 17:28.33 | crissi | fatal error: unknown old backend |
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| 17:28.42 | crissi | cool upgrade |
| 17:28.58 | crissi | so you see how 'good' its working |
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| 17:31.02 | queso | If I have a wheezy guest running in virtualbox (3.2.8), which looks like it automatically installed guest additions, but the guest additions aren't working -- should I assume it's because the guest additions are too new? Should I uninstall them and install the additions using the one downloaded by my version of virtualbox? |
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| 17:32.09 | karlpinc | crissi: Did you purge the old packages? A lot of the db upgrade stuff depends on having both old and new at the same time, and the old is then gotten rid of with a purge of the package. Like the kernels work. |
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| 17:36.55 | jhutchins_wk | crissi: So quit complaining and do something about it. |
| 17:37.18 | jhutchins_wk | crissi: Someone works hard to give you free sofware and all you can do is complain that they didn't work harder. |
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| 17:38.28 | jhutchins_wk | crissi: Track down the problem with cyrus documentation & support and provide the rest of us with a solution. |
| 17:38.45 | freshly-squeezed | Some people just love to kavetch jhutchins_wk |
| 17:38.47 | abrotman | lovely support channel ... |
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| 17:38.58 | freshly-squeezed | heyt abrotman |
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| 17:40.05 | archo43 | hi abrotman |
| 17:40.11 | abrotman | crissi: what is your current backend? |
| 17:40.55 | abrotman | crissi: IIRC, they deprecated a backend in lenny a,d warned it would go away .. you were supposed to change DB backends in lenny and then upgrade to squeeze |
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| 17:41.39 | abrotman | waves |
| 17:42.21 | archo43 | what speakers work best with debian? |
| 17:42.24 | crissi | i have looked around and it seems only the version is old. not the backend.. |
| 17:42.25 | crissi | http://paste.debian.net/156369/ |
| 17:42.34 | simonlnu | ones connected to the peecee |
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| 17:43.13 | fabio | im not able to make authtentication http://pastebin.com/AzukWzM2 |
| 17:43.14 | jhutchins_wk | crissi: This would appear to address your problem, though I don't know if it solves it: http://www.ph-v.net/article-debian-lenny-to-squeeze-upgrade-cyrus-imap-issue-78074657.html |
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| 17:43.55 | aeolist | i'm running debian testin/xfce, I hadn't upgraded for a month, did them all at once and now I have a bunch of icons missing from the applications menu, thunar shows no icons for files and all information concerning which application loads which file type is lost too. Also missing the minimize/maximize/close buttons from the xfce WM. Any pointers? |
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| 17:47.18 | karlpinc | aeolist: Testing does break. That's why it's testing. You could try #debian-next on irc.debian.org for testing support if you don't get help here. |
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| 17:47.36 | karlpinc | aeolist: Also see the bug tracking system. |
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| 17:48.52 | aeolist | googled around a bit narrowing it down to stuff from the past week but didn't come up with much, that's why I came here |
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| 17:49.09 | aeolist | i'll ask there too thanks |
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| 17:49.21 | ChibaPet | Is irc.debian.org on oftc, or its own thing? |
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| 17:49.49 | jhutchins_wk | crissi: This also appears to address your problem, and you may be able to use the script manually: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cyrus-imapd-2.4/2.4.8-1 |
| 17:50.06 | ChibaPet | I see a news item from 2006 saying it's on OFTC. I guess I'll dig more. |
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| 17:52.14 | bittin | ChibaPet, irc.debian.org is OFTC |
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| 17:52.40 | ChibaPet | Cool. I'm moving my world over to irssi, and I've defined oftc. |
| 17:52.52 | ChibaPet | ty |
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| 17:56.35 | scwizard | In debian, when you're running squeeze and a package turns out to be completely broken, or you need a newer version for some other reason, what's the approach to take? |
| 17:57.05 | Iridos | that are two different cases :) |
| 17:57.07 | somiaj | scwizard: define completely broken? Squeeze packages should not be that. If you need a newer feature you can look for a backport or build your own. |
| 17:57.16 | Iridos | if the package is broken, write a bug report... |
| 17:57.27 | Iridos | actually, check the bug reports first, there probably is one already |
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| 17:57.54 | scwizard | ok, so the way to approach things is to look for a backport or build your own |
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| 17:58.35 | somiaj | scwizard: it depends which of those questions you are approaching. Broken packages should be dealt with via the bts system (But these shouldn't be easy to find in squeeze) |
| 17:59.07 | somiaj | scwizard: wanting a newer version, then yes (realize that debian backports any security holes to the squeeze version of the package, so upgrading for security reasons is not needed) |
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| 17:59.21 | Iridos | you could also spill the beans and tell us what package you're talking about anyway |
| 17:59.41 | Iridos | or we could continue telling you random things based on vague hunches about what you could mean |
| 18:00.12 | scwizard | I'm not, I'm just having a bad experiance dealing with a package in another operating system, and I was wondering how I'd approach this problem if I was using debian, and wheather I should switch and similar |
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| 18:01.43 | somiaj | anyways I'm thining about removing/disabling dbus from my system. Seems just taking dbus out will take out my webrowser (chromium) which I don't want to do, this is due to libgconf2-4. Was wondering if it was possible to compile chromium wiht out gconf support or libgconf without dbus support or if it is just better to disable the dbus service |
| 18:02.07 | somiaj | hd space isn't an issue so disabling the service is fine, just searching for some pointers. |
| 18:02.36 | karlpinc | !tell scwizard about stable |
| 18:02.42 | karlpinc | !tell scwizard about overview |
| 18:02.43 | Iridos | well... there are generally no packages in squeeze with grave bugs (i.e. which make the package unusable for everyone)... they have undergone too much testing for that (of course, if they rely on outside circumstances that changed...) |
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| 18:02.58 | karlpinc | scwizard: Since you're interested I had the bot send you factoids. |
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| 18:05.22 | Iridos | somiaj, sounds like a lot of trouble for little gain |
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| 18:05.36 | Iridos | if any |
| 18:06.00 | simonlnu | only gui stuff uses dbus |
| 18:06.11 | scwizard | well chrome is certainly gui stuff |
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| 18:07.02 | Delf | My log is pumped with: kernel: [ 8.480128] mdadm: sending ioctl 1261 to a partition! |
| 18:07.04 | somiaj | Iridos: Its more of a stance thing, same reason I use debian over other distros. I don't need chromium to talk to my network-manager (Which I don't run) or other gui processes. I'll just go with disabiling the service and see if things work fine. |
| 18:07.06 | Delf | what's going on? |
| 18:07.38 | scwizard | somiaj, when I want to find out that sort of thing (can x be compiled with/without y and also z flag) I generally go source diving a bit |
| 18:08.04 | themill | somiaj: there are a lot of runtime dependencies on things like dbus that don't bare thinking about. There are even toolkits that can't do mime type lookups or retrieve the appropriate icon for a file without dbus running |
| 18:09.15 | archo43 | does git have a builtin spell checker? |
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| 18:15.30 | somiaj | themill: I was afraid of that, figured I'm stuck with dbus, but seeing the possibility of removing it. |
| 18:15.53 | somiaj | themill: well more just playing with the idea, seems like I'll most likely keep it as is. |
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| 18:17.27 | User_007 | Hello! Guys i have a doubt about ports (in firewall) : |
| 18:17.36 | User_007 | When do i need to open a port? |
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| 18:18.14 | User_007 | do i only need to allow in if i have a server running? |
| 18:18.43 | somiaj | User_007: you need to allow requested info back in (these usually use the higher number ports depending on availability) |
| 18:19.16 | somiaj | User_007: but there is usually an option that allows for that. But beyond that, yes you only need to open up ports of services you want the outside world to connect to. |
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| 18:19.50 | Blackvel | User_007: any basic knowledge about firewalling / network and later iptables? |
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| 18:20.06 | User_007 | so, for example, to use a browser (http) do i only need to open port 80? |
| 18:20.15 | User_007 | (allow out) |
| 18:20.24 | User_007 | or do i need to allow in too? |
| 18:20.35 | Blackvel | depends....usually you allow everything out |
| 18:20.58 | Blackvel | what environment is it? company? private? dmz? server housing? |
| 18:21.16 | User_007 | a laptop :) |
| 18:21.36 | somiaj | User_007: no you only need to open port 80 to allow someone to connect to a webserver. Now your webbrowers will use some high number port to connect to port 80 on a remote server, the requested info needs to get back in. But iptables has a related/requested field so that is taken care of provided you add that rule |
| 18:22.04 | Blackvel | and what is your linux server? before? separate router? laptop running debian? |
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| 18:22.18 | Blackvel | forget about configuring iptables on this laptop! |
| 18:22.32 | somiaj | User_007: for the most part you shouldn't be running services on the laptop in which people would connect to (unless you want them to) -- firewalls here aren't needed (unlike windows which has a bunch of services running by default listeing for connenctions) |
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| 18:23.10 | User_007 | somiaj, Blackvel nice! thanks! |
| 18:23.34 | User_007 | so i must deny anything in, and allow anything out? |
| 18:24.03 | Blackvel | try configuring the default firewall |
| 18:24.07 | Iridos | User_007, no, you need to do nothing. We tell you, if you don't want to people to connect to a service, then don't run the service |
| 18:24.11 | Blackvel | is sets up some automatic rules |
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| 18:24.46 | Blackvel | if you really like to enable iptables....it makes much more sense to configure a firewall on the router which is connected to the internet. never connect a laptop directly to internet with an internet ip! |
| 18:24.48 | User_007 | i don't have any services running |
| 18:24.50 | User_007 | :) |
| 18:25.10 | User_007 | but sometimes i want to run a torrent, so i need to allow people in. |
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| 18:25.25 | Blackvel | you would configure that on the FW on the router |
| 18:25.28 | johnfg | hi guys |
| 18:25.28 | somiaj | User_007: then you shouldn't have anything you need a firewall for. If there is no services/ports listening for outside connenctions no reason to block people from getting to them. |
| 18:25.33 | Iridos | so what function would a firewall have if you don't have any services running? |
| 18:25.55 | Blackvel | and use port forwarding and allowing SOME ports to be connected in (and block 90% of other IN traffic on the router) |
| 18:26.02 | somiaj | themill: seems dbus is laucnhed with xorg anyways, so just disabling the service with update-rc.d won't do me any good. Thanks for the info btw. |
| 18:26.20 | Blackvel | iridos: block all other scam/flood IN traffic? |
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| 18:26.31 | User_007 | Iridos, having control about what ports are open ( i don't know if it's useful) |
| 18:27.07 | Blackvel | you need a fw....otherwise every idiot can connect to your laptop (if it is directly connected with public internet ip) |
| 18:27.07 | Iridos | User_007, you just told us none are open... |
| 18:27.26 | Iridos | Blackvel, block from what? if there's nobody listening... |
| 18:27.38 | Iridos | you can't block peoples access to something that isn't there |
| 18:27.52 | cahoot | the Zen of fw |
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| 18:28.01 | archo43 | what does crowdsourcing mean? |
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| 18:28.17 | johnfg | I installed k3b on squeeze with no reported errors, but it's not appearing in any menu on my gnome desktop. |
| 18:28.21 | Blackvel | oh i forgot....debian has no open wholes / ports like windows :) |
| 18:28.54 | johnfg | No reference to this problem in the README.Debian, and I am a member of the group cdrom. |
| 18:29.08 | User_007 | Iridos, i told i am not running any service (as far as i know) |
| 18:29.18 | Iridos | User_007, it's a bit like erecting a fence so people don't enter Atlantis |
| 18:29.24 | engla | johnfg: maybe it's marked to not show in gnome desktop? (see its .desktop file) |
| 18:29.35 | simonlnu | a port is only open if there's something listening on it |
| 18:29.51 | User_007 | humm |
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| 18:30.14 | User_007 | hey guys, where can i study these stuff? |
| 18:30.15 | Iridos | johnfg, type "k3b" in a terminal? |
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| 18:31.00 | Blackvel | user_007: if you really have to read the debian section how to enable the default fw |
| 18:31.24 | Blackvel | will block everything in (even if you don't need to) and will just open the services you are running (none if there are no running services) |
| 18:31.42 | Blackvel | can't remember the name of the fw config right now (doing everything by hand here) |
| 18:31.51 | abrotman | iptables ? |
| 18:31.53 | Iridos | User_007, perhaps some start would be http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Unix-and-Internet-Fundamentals-HOWTO/internet.html |
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| 18:32.30 | Iridos | hmm, but doesn't go far enough? |
| 18:32.31 | Iridos | dunno |
| 18:32.32 | crissi | jhutchins_lt: it seems that i have only to change the db version in /usr/lib/cyrus/cyrus-db-types.active and thats all. |
| 18:32.33 | abrotman | User_007: if nothing is lisetning, the ports aren't open |
| 18:32.48 | johnfg | Iridos, Yeah that works, but I'd like it in the menus. And I looked at /usr/share/app-install/desktop/k3b.desktop, but don't see anything that says for it to be hidden. |
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| 18:33.28 | th0rsten | hi |
| 18:33.47 | th0rsten | i have installed debian squeeze, but i want to upgrade to wheezy |
| 18:33.53 | th0rsten | what is the best way to do so? |
| 18:33.55 | Iridos | johnfg, dunno, I rarely/never use menus... they're all somehow updated when a package is installed afaik, but it seems a black art |
| 18:34.18 | gnarface | th0rsten: start by making a full backup of your existing install |
| 18:34.30 | th0rsten | i allready did |
| 18:34.45 | Blackvel | abrotman: you are kidding :) no i mean the command which lets configure the default fw / selinux behavour or something like that. i can remember in centos there was some auto function to enable the fw and it setup all iptables automatically (outgoing accept, input drop) and for some services it opened SOME ports. not sure if there is something or how it would be called in current debian distros. |
| 18:34.46 | Blackvel | you could even configure how restrict it should be. i think user_007 is looking for that. sorry but i have no clue right now how that is called in debian (just auto creates iptables startup rules) |
| 18:34.58 | abrotman | Blackvel: there is no default fw in Debian |
| 18:35.28 | User_007 | i just installed ufw |
| 18:35.39 | User_007 | it's pretty nice |
| 18:35.57 | Blackvel | in centos it was gui driven...3-4 choices from less to more restrictive...oh okay...so the manual way |
| 18:36.08 | johnfg | I looked at the /usr/share/gnome/applications/kde4/k3b.desktop, and the last line is: NoDisplay=true. Should that be set to false? |
| 18:36.12 | th0rsten | a friend told me i should replace squeeze with wheezy within /etc/apt/sources.list but after doing so, synaptic just wants to remove about everything without installing new packages |
| 18:36.23 | Blackvel | user_007 you still didnt tell how you are connected to the internet |
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| 18:36.45 | johnfg | dpkg wheezy |
| 18:36.45 | dpkg | The release after squeeze will be called "wheezy" (the rubber toy penguin with a red bow tie), and will be Debian 7.0. Ask me about <testing>. #debian-next on irc.debian.org. |
| 18:37.02 | johnfg | dpkg testing |
| 18:37.03 | dpkg | Testing is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <wheezy>. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting and ask me about <testing faq> <squeeze->wheezy> <testing security> <moving target> <dda> <apt-listchanges> <apt-listbugs> and <bts>. You should have a sound knowledge of Debian packaging and be prepared for a bumpy ride at times. Don't use it on things that are critical or on servers. |
| 18:38.18 | th0rsten | ah |
| 18:38.25 | johnfg | That line isn't in the other k3b.desktop at all. |
| 18:38.34 | th0rsten | maybe my problem is i stated "wheezy" instead of "Wheazy" |
| 18:38.38 | th0rsten | i will try that |
| 18:38.42 | Blackvel | user_007: a FW can block most packets if it IS FRONT of your laptop...so forget how configuring too much on your laptop debian version! |
| 18:38.43 | somiaj | th0rsten: your friend told you bad advice, and that isn't your problem |
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| 18:39.08 | somiaj | th0rsten: 'wheezy' is correct, but unless you understand debian package managment stick with stable and use backports |
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| 18:39.25 | zykes_ | http://paste.ubuntu.com/843382/ shouldn't this work ? |
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| 18:39.38 | th0rsten | my problem is i dont get my graphics to work with debian 6 |
| 18:39.53 | th0rsten | as far i have read, that intel hd needs a newer kernel version |
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| 18:40.03 | th0rsten | so i wanted to switch to wheezy |
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| 18:40.17 | somiaj | th0rsten: backports has a nice kernel and newer xorg that sould work for many people in your situation |
| 18:40.21 | somiaj | th0rsten: what graphics card? |
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| 18:40.37 | th0rsten | intel hd 3000 |
| 18:41.03 | th0rsten | sry for the dumb question, but what exactly is back ports? |
| 18:41.14 | engla | th0rsten: my 1440x900 intel hd300 needed the debian 3.2 kernel to get the right resolution |
| 18:41.18 | johnfg | How do I get the file reread if I try eliminating the line previously referred to... |
| 18:41.27 | somiaj | th0rsten: wheezy packages compiled against squeeze libaries so you can install just a few newer packages but keep a stable core |
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| 18:41.38 | somiaj | !tell th0rsten about backports |
| 18:41.40 | jhutchins_wk | !tell th0rsten about bdo |
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| 18:41.49 | somiaj | th0rsten: installing the 3.2 kernel and xorg from backports should do the trick for you. |
| 18:41.51 | thewanderer1 | hmm, is there Adobe Flash for Debian on armel? |
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| 18:42.16 | th0rsten | ok thx for the advice guys |
| 18:42.22 | somiaj | johnfg: what are you talking about, 'file reread' where? and why? |
| 18:42.28 | th0rsten | but at first i change my sources.list back to normal i guess |
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| 18:42.31 | mufflon | hello all, how can i configure gnome-panel not to start by login? im using squeeze |
| 18:42.36 | jhutchins_wk | thewanderer1: I would guess that since Debian has to get Adobe Flash from Adobe, and Adobe doesn't do armel, probably not. |
| 18:42.42 | somiaj | zykes_: I don't reconize the option 'manual' nor is there any mention of it in man 5 interfaces |
| 18:42.55 | jhutchins_wk | thewanderer1: The best you'd do would probably be gnash. |
| 18:43.15 | Iridos | jhutchins_wk, you sure adobe doesn't do armel? |
| 18:43.16 | somiaj | mufflon: depends, I'm not sure if you can run gnome without it, but there are plenty of other windowmanagers / desktops to choose from |
| 18:43.18 | thewanderer1 | hmmm, I wonder how Android phones manage Flash, anyway O.o |
| 18:43.28 | jhutchins_wk | Iridos: No, not sure. Speculating, bad me. |
| 18:43.32 | zykes_ | somiaj: it's because it shouldn't be configued with a ip |
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| 18:44.09 | Iridos | judd, versions flashplugin-nonfree-extrasound --arch=armel |
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| 18:44.10 | judd | No package named 'flashplugin-nonfree-extrasound' was found in armel. |
| 18:44.13 | johnfg | somiaj, sorry, just look back: I'm referring to the file: /usr/share/gnome/applications/kde4/k3b.desktop, and it has a line NoDisplay=true, that may be keeping k3b from appearing in the gnome desktop Applications menu. |
| 18:44.30 | lynks | if i edit resolv.conf, do i have to restart anything in init.d for the changes to take effect? |
| 18:44.32 | mufflon | somiaj: yes, i want replace it with cairo-dock in future but im still testing |
| 18:44.50 | somiaj | mufflon: you'll have to configure what ever desktop/wm you use. |
| 18:45.01 | johnfg | If I edit it out, or to say false, do I need to logout and login, or is there another way for that file to be reread? |
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| 18:45.24 | mufflon | somiaj: yes, but i dont know where |
| 18:46.02 | somiaj | johnfg: I'm unsure when gnome generates the menus, though I think it generates them every time you give them a call. |
| 18:46.13 | jhutchins_wk | thewanderer1: This page implies that it was available when Lenny was testing: http://www.debianadmin.com/how-to-install-adobe-flash-in-debian-etchlennysid.html |
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| 18:47.20 | somiaj | zykes_: well then why have an auto line for an interface that needs to be configured manually |
| 18:47.34 | thewanderer1 | also, is debian-multimedia.org permanentny down or what? |
| 18:47.37 | somiaj | zykes_: auto just brings it up at boot, and if it isn't configured it won't be brought up. |
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| 18:47.48 | Iridos | well, seems you're right, at least the plugin is i386/amd64 only http://packages.debian.org/stable/flashplugin-nonfree |
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| 18:49.40 | jhutchins_wk | thewanderer1: This page: http://www.adobe.com/products/flashplayer/tech-specs.html says it will run on "ARMv7 processor with vector FPU, minimum 550MHz, OpenGL ES 2.0, H.264 and AAC HW decoders" |
| 18:49.53 | zykes_ | why somiaj: cause all examples have it |
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| 18:51.05 | somiaj | zykes_: also if you are going to manually configure an interface you really don't need to mention it in the interfaces file anyways |
| 18:51.24 | jhutchins_wk | thewanderer1: dmm page looks very suspicious. I know he had a crash late last year and had to rebuild the databases. |
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| 18:51.35 | Iridos | jhutchins_wk, hm, so it's only not packaged... I wondered, because I know N900 plays youtube and everything I ever tried |
| 18:51.37 | zykes_ | somiaj: http://www.tolaris.com/2010/02/20/vlans-bridges-and-virtual-machines/ |
| 18:51.38 | somiaj | zykes_: the interfaces file is for configured interfaces. So the 'manual' seems strange, and remove the 'auto' lines for interfaces you don't want automitcally brought up at start |
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| 18:51.57 | zykes_ | somiaj: dude, it's supposed to be up after boot.... |
| 18:52.21 | jhutchins_wk | Iridos: Adobe flash isn't packaged by Debian for any architecture. The nonfree plugin package is a script that downloads it from Adobe. |
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| 18:52.42 | thewanderer1 | I think I'll go and get that from Adobe's site, after all |
| 18:52.51 | Iridos | jhutchins_wk, I know... I mean the downloader isn't packaged for arm |
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| 18:53.01 | jhutchins_wk | thewanderer1: Good luck. Let us know if it works. |
| 18:53.08 | infostar | hi from spain |
| 18:53.19 | thewanderer1 | RIGHT. Your Google Chrome browser already includes Adobe® Flash® Player built-in. ....... |
| 18:53.40 | thewanderer1 | because User-Agent-based discrimination is fashionable :( |
| 18:54.00 | Iridos | your chrome alreadey includes tehh google and hence tehh intergnats |
| 18:54.01 | infostar | any one can help me with openmeetengs?????? |
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| 18:54.28 | jhutchins_wk | thewanderer1: I would expect that the player is specific to Android and the Android browser, and would be surprised if it would work with Debian on ARM. |
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| 18:55.21 | jhutchins_wk | thewanderer1: There's also a matter of compatible rendring. Look at how much trouble flash can be on ix86 Linux. |
| 18:55.23 | Iridos | jhutchins_wk, the N900 doesn't use chrom{e,ium} and I'd be surprised if it was specific to every single browser |
| 18:55.27 | emilsedgh | is there any debian artist/artwork team? a friend of mine is interested to contribute artwork for Wheezy. |
| 18:55.48 | jhutchins_wk | Hopefully thewanderer1 can find out for us! |
| 18:55.49 | thewanderer1 | oh. of course there is no "download" link for ARM :( |
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| 18:57.34 | Iridos | emilsedgh, perhaps http://www.debianart.org/? |
| 18:57.52 | Delf | My log is pumped with: kernel: [ 8.480128] mdadm: sending ioctl 1261 to a partition! |
| 18:58.04 | Delf | what's going on?.... |
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| 18:58.07 | emilsedgh | thanks Iridos. |
| 18:58.18 | Iridos | only just found that myself... |
| 18:58.46 | User_007 | thank you guys! |
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| 18:59.10 | Iridos | all I actually remember is that the login-screen art for squeeze was selected from several drafts |
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| 19:04.03 | Synthead | I'm trying to get mod_rewrite going in httpd. I've created the symlink in mods-enabled (rewrite.load -> ../mods-available/rewrite.load), but I'm still getting "Invalid command 'RewriteEngine', perhaps misspelled or defined by a module not included in the server configuration". Do I need to put any extra stuff in apache2.conf? |
| 19:04.33 | Iridos | Delf, http://www.google.com/search?q=ioctl+1261 ---> ---> ---> http://bugs.debian.org/656899 |
| 19:05.12 | zykes_ | somiaj: ? |
| 19:05.36 | Delf | Iridos: What do I do? |
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| 19:05.47 | Delf | stop using it? |
| 19:05.50 | somiaj | zykes_: I don't know the details for all the vlan stuff you want, but my points are still valid. Note their two lines are different than yours |
| 19:06.07 | zykes_ | which lines are different ? |
| 19:06.14 | somiaj | zykes_: i.e. they have 'iface eth1 inet manual' 'up ifconfig eth1 up' |
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| 19:06.39 | Synthead | wait, I'm missing the bits to include the mods-enabled directory :) |
| 19:06.40 | zykes_ | and ? |
| 19:06.41 | Synthead | I got it |
| 19:06.42 | somiaj | zykes_: so when they say 'auto eth1', the device is brougt up, and then the 'up' script just brings it up with the simple command 'ifconfig up' -- the device is up but not configured |
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| 19:11.18 | Iridos | Delf, I'd begin with reading the bug report :) |
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| 19:11.57 | Delf | Iridos: I did, a little bit but it seems faaaaaaaaaar too much for me and I don't even undersetand what I'm reading |
| 19:11.59 | Iridos | then use the squeeze kernel, from what I see |
| 19:12.07 | infostar | any one uses openmeetings_1_9_1_r4707.zip i need help |
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| 19:13.14 | nsadmin | infostar, just ask your question |
| 19:13.20 | nsadmin | !sicco |
| 19:13.21 | dpkg | Please ask sicco questions, questions that are Specific, Informative, Concise, Complete, and On-topic. Ask me about <research> and <cooperation in asking for help>. |
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| 19:14.42 | thewanderer1 | Delf, do the messages break anything? cause fires, floods? no? then why should you care? :P |
| 19:15.21 | th0rsten | is there a list of package names so i know what packages there are available in backports? |
| 19:15.27 | infostar | openmeetings_1_9_1_r4707 return folder, probably your database user/pwd/host is wrong! but i have modify persistence.xml any idea?????? |
| 19:15.36 | Delf | my box started with 100% cpu, not even num lock worked |
| 19:15.36 | somiaj | th0rsten: /msg dpkg search |
| 19:15.39 | Iridos | th0rsten, packages.debian.org |
| 19:15.57 | Delf | nothing worked, but it did respond to ping |
| 19:16.08 | somiaj | th0rsten: you can search though the backport packages just like normal packages, with advance aptitude search options you can only search squeeze-backports |
| 19:17.09 | somiaj | th0rsten: another thing you can do is say you want to know wiether package foo has a backport, type 'apt-cache policy foo' -- if you have the backports inyour sources.list, it will show you the version from squeeze and the version from backports if it exists |
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| 19:18.39 | engla | th0rsten: (don't for get to apt-get update after changing sources.list) |
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| 19:21.02 | abrotman | infostar: perhaps you should ask them .. it's not packaged in Debian |
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| 19:22.10 | infostar | hashashin asi es como lo he echo pero con el de postgresql en vez de mysql |
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| 19:23.29 | th0rsten | just to be sure im doing it right, this command will install the kernel? |
| 19:23.32 | th0rsten | aptitude -t squeeze-backports install linux-headers-3.2.0-0.bpo.l-amd |
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| 19:23.48 | tremon | th0rsten: you need linux-image not linux-headers |
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| 19:24.38 | th0rsten | ok thx again |
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| 19:29.40 | teneightypea | I am trying to manipulate a folder on my server beginning with the word Léon. |
| 19:29.59 | teneightypea | Accessing the server via PuTTY from my Windows terminal. |
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| 19:30.10 | teneightypea | I cannot seem to be able to access the folder :( |
| 19:30.24 | teneightypea | cd L*on, for example, does not work. |
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| 19:30.45 | teneightypea | env|grep LANG returns UTF-8. |
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| 19:30.57 | thewanderer1 | teneightypea, define "does not work" |
| 19:30.59 | tremon | you said it started with Leon, right? Try echo L?on* |
| 19:31.16 | Woet | we are running software RAID 1 (mdadm) and one disk broke. I removed it from the raid set and replaced the disk |
| 19:31.19 | lynks | teneightypea: cd doesnt take blobs like that, try cd L<tab> if all you want to do is move into the folder. also on windows i believe ctrl+alt+e gives e-acute |
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| 19:31.29 | Woet | is it safe to copy the partition table and re-add it to mdadm or should i copy the data first? |
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| 19:32.02 | robokop | readding should be enough, it will start a resync |
| 19:32.14 | thewanderer1 | readding is misleading though - it's --add, not --re-add |
| 19:32.17 | Guest5671 | hiya, i cannot start debian on a fresh install, X crashes i got black screen and cannot tty and do nothing, i accesed to the log via mint live cd: here is: http://pastebin.com/9FnkCqqB |
| 19:32.22 | teneightypea | Hmm, echo L?0n* returns L?on* |
| 19:32.27 | Guest5671 | y aprreciate any help, and excuse my english, thank |
| 19:32.42 | teneightypea | Tab won't work as I have other folders beginning with L. |
| 19:32.53 | thewanderer1 | Woet, other than that, reinstall GRUB. |
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| 19:33.04 | teneightypea | And Ctrl + Alt + e does nothing :( |
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| 19:33.31 | Woet | thewanderer1: i know it's --add, and i've already reinstalled GRUB. thanks! |
| 19:33.55 | Saar | I am trying to add the arch_trigger_all_cpu_backtrace() function to kernel/softlockup.c:softlockup_tick(), however I am having some trouble with how to make it work, what would I need to include to get this function working? please see: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=556030#86 |
| 19:34.03 | Saar | compilation gives me: kernel/softlockup.c:167: error: called object ‘arch_trigger_all_cpu_backtrace()’ is not a function, so I think I miss the right include but I can't figure out what exactly it should be |
| 19:34.22 | rozie | Guest5671: what's your card and what driver do you use? |
| 19:34.49 | viezerd | hello |
| 19:35.06 | Guest5671 | Default in debian install i think its radeon |
| 19:35.14 | Guest5671 | And my card is an AMD APU A4 |
| 19:35.26 | rozie | Guest5671: try also press left alt + left ctrl + F1 |
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| 19:35.59 | rozie | Guest5671: there may be no driver/firmware for this card in default installation |
| 19:36.12 | tremon | Guest5671: your log says chipset SUMO, I'm not familiar with that. What card is it? Anyway, try booting with radeon.modeset=0, then install firmware-linux-nonfree |
| 19:36.15 | Guest5671 | rozie tried |
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| 19:36.37 | Guest5671 | in black screen pressing control alt f1 gives me and a white colored screen |
| 19:36.44 | viezerd | does this mean I need more memory ? http://pastebin.com/ihstAr7N |
| 19:36.50 | tremon | ah, APU i see |
| 19:36.52 | Guest5671 | ok, let me check exact model of the apu |
| 19:37.01 | rozie | Guest5671: try set modeset to 0 |
| 19:37.05 | rozie | Guest5671: /etc/modprobe.d/radeon-kms.conf |
| 19:37.27 | Iridos | teneightypea, you didn't say what L*on expands to |
| 19:37.29 | jhine | Hi. groups jackie-www | jackie-www : sftp-users would imply jackie-www is a member of the sftp-users group, right? |
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| 19:37.48 | teneightypea | Iridos it does not expand to anything. |
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| 19:38.16 | Iridos | perhaps you don't have the file then |
| 19:38.23 | musashi | hello is there some place where I can see when a package from wheezy is going to pass to squeeze? some kind of roadmap or milestone.. dunno |
| 19:38.23 | teneightypea | Which is weird as I have another folder named Leon. |
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| 19:38.27 | Iridos | L* or *n at least should work |
| 19:38.31 | teneightypea | I do (checked via sftp) |
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| 19:38.52 | Iridos | perhaps it's not bash and hence doesn't do expansion |
| 19:39.01 | Guest9972 | damn, i am who was having troubble with the apu, closed the notebook and computer shutdown lol |
| 19:39.05 | teneightypea | You mean tab complete? |
| 19:39.12 | teneightypea | I can do that elsewhere. |
| 19:39.19 | Iridos | although I'd be hard pressed to name any shell that doesn't do wildcard expansion |
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| 19:39.28 | teneightypea | ^ |
| 19:39.54 | Iridos | not tab... wildcard |
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| 19:40.20 | jhine | http://pastebin.com/KYvzFnJi - Am I reading this wrong? |
| 19:40.45 | teneightypea | How would I go about using wildcard expansion> |
| 19:40.48 | teneightypea | ?* |
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| 19:41.09 | sh4 | I repeat the error, log: http://pastebin.com/9FnkCqqB black screen, no control+alt+f1 working, no ttys, driver: debian default in fresh install, radeon, card, AMD A4 APU |
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| 19:42.00 | Iridos | teneightypea, you did with L*on or L* |
| 19:42.16 | th0rsten | i see this in the console: http://paste.debian.net/156381/ but i cant do anything |
| 19:42.28 | sh4 | exact model: Modelo de CPU: A4-3300M APU with Radeon HD 6480G |
| 19:42.29 | th0rsten | asking all those questions make me feel really dumb -.- |
| 19:42.46 | Iridos | if you have several hits, you can expand things in the commandline in bash by doing ctrl-x-* after typing the pattern |
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| 19:44.28 | teneightypea | Ah, I see. |
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| 19:44.41 | teneightypea | I was trying to autocomplete with the wildcard. |
| 19:44.50 | teneightypea | I got it working now. |
| 19:47.52 | rozie | sh4: try to set modeset to 0 and reboot |
| 19:48.08 | jhutchins_wk | sh4: Can you boot to rescue mode? |
| 19:48.24 | jhutchins_wk | !tell sh4 about localised errors |
| 19:48.26 | sh4 | jhutchins_wk nope, no ttky also |
| 19:48.31 | sh4 | here is another error: |
| 19:48.40 | sh4 | of the syslog: |
| 19:48.42 | sh4 | http://pastebin.com/Vm2uXKSh |
| 19:48.47 | sh4 | maybe it's not an x issue |
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| 19:48.55 | jhutchins_wk | sh4: Do you have another system you can try to connect with via ssh? |
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| 19:49.13 | jhutchins_wk | sh4: How are you getting to the syslog if you can't boot? |
| 19:49.19 | rozie | ;) |
| 19:49.20 | sh4 | live cd |
| 19:49.27 | teneightypea | Thanks Iridos :) |
| 19:49.30 | sh4 | and mounting root partition |
| 19:49.46 | rozie | sh4: have you set modeset to 0 and reboot? |
| 19:49.56 | sh4 | nope, let me check |
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| 19:50.08 | rozie | <sigh> |
| 19:50.14 | jhutchins_wk | sh4: The live cd works though... |
| 19:50.38 | ChibaPet | Anyone using netatalk here? I can't get afpd to do its thing reliably on Debian Squeeze. |
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| 19:50.41 | rozie | jhutchins_wk: system also works. I bet it's modeset and/or firmware |
| 19:50.42 | sh4 | jhutchins_wk mint live cd yep |
| 19:50.43 | sh4 | not debian |
| 19:50.44 | sh4 | :P |
| 19:50.50 | rozie | sh4: reboot! |
| 19:50.57 | jhutchins_wk | sh4: If you can do lspci -nn | grep -i vga post that. Looks like you need firmware for the video, possibly something else. The last thing that's happening is support for Bluetooth trying to load. |
| 19:51.13 | jhine | Is this a bug? http://pastebin.com/KYvzFnJi |
| 19:51.26 | sh4 | rozie, hehe i'll do, sec :) |
| 19:51.49 | sh4 | jhutchins_wk ok, thank you, sec |
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| 19:53.21 | sh4 | jhutchins_wk no results with that grep |
| 19:53.35 | sh4 | ah yes, sorry |
| 19:53.40 | sh4 | forgot one "n" |
| 19:53.42 | sh4 | :D |
| 19:54.46 | sh4 | http://pastebin.com/b34HVfrR <--- not very useful |
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| 19:55.16 | abrotman | !enter |
| 19:55.16 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
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| 19:56.25 | abrotman | sh4: did you install the firmware for the radeon card? |
| 19:56.44 | sh4 | i did default installation abrotman |
| 19:56.53 | sh4 | even graphical install wasn't working |
| 19:56.56 | sh4 | just text install |
| 19:57.14 | abrotman | sh4: it still uses a frame buffer (and stop hitting the damn enter key every third word) |
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| 19:59.38 | rozie | sh4: did you reboot? |
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| 20:00.01 | sh4 | rozie i am trying to discover how to change that modeset =) |
| 20:00.58 | geekbri | When you install a backport, is it necessary to pin that package? |
| 20:01.07 | geekbri | s/necessary/wise |
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| 20:01.53 | rozie | sh4: I gave you exact location of the file |
| 20:02.54 | sh4 | didn't read that rozie, sorry |
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| 20:03.06 | rozie | pgup then |
| 20:03.19 | LtL | sh4: at the grub screen press 'e', find the linux boot line command, move to the end of it and append, 'nomodeset' no quotes, press ctrl x to boot it. |
| 20:04.01 | Iridos | geekbri, what for |
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| 20:04.40 | geekbri | Iridos: Just thought I read that somewhere for some reason. I assumed it wouldn't be necessary since the backport would always be a higher version than whats in the normal repo |
| 20:04.50 | sh4 | thanks, LtL |
| 20:06.14 | jhutchins_wk | Oh goody, [1002:9648] is 'Unknown device' from 'Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] |
| 20:06.38 | jhutchins_wk | Should at least match the KMS module. |
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| 20:06.58 | Innocentus | hi |
| 20:07.00 | jhutchins_wk | Although I guess that's compiled in these days, it's not good that it doesn't recognize the id. |
| 20:07.10 | Innocentus | I got a very good question, anyone with expertise and time? |
| 20:07.11 | Iridos | geekbri, well, yes... and so it will keep having preference over stable until you finally upgrade to the next release |
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| 20:07.52 | sh4 | Nah, same error: white and some mixed colors screen appear for a few seconds, and then black screen, no tttys, nothing |
| 20:07.53 | jhutchins_wk | geekbri: The system should automatically track the backported version if it's upgraded. |
| 20:08.31 | geekbri | mmm I'll chalk whatever that thing i read up as bad advice. |
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| 20:09.10 | jhutchins_wk | sh4: Wait. You're running lspci from the live mint CD, right? Yet you're getting a GUI in mint? |
| 20:09.33 | EntityReborn | getting a "Command failed: READ DMA" when trying to boot from the business card CD for 6.0.4 |
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| 20:09.42 | sh4 | jhutchins_wk yep, X in mint are working OK |
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| 20:10.36 | jhutchins_wk | sh4: Have you figured out how to install the firmware-linux-nonfree package? |
| 20:10.38 | _josh | does anyone know how to install mysql5.5? i've installed the deb version, but i don't know where it installs or where the binaries are |
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| 20:11.54 | sh4 | i don't know how to do that... i cannot start debian system... cannot acces ttys. Can i install a deb from mint live to the debian system or something like that? |
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| 20:12.41 | bbbb | does debootstrap handle if i just cp -r it? |
| 20:12.52 | jhutchins_wk | sh4: Yes, I think you can. in a console, as root, make sure the debian system partition is mounted. Tell me the mount point. |
| 20:12.52 | Innocentus | anyone here? :( |
| 20:13.14 | mhillsman | yeah, 1128 other folks besides you |
| 20:13.25 | sh4 | mint mount the root partition as /media/_ |
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| 20:14.01 | Innocentus | I want to know what initscript is responsible for mounting fstab |
| 20:14.08 | Innocentus | anyone an idea? |
| 20:14.11 | jhutchins_wk | Ok, I think that will work. mount -bind /proc /media/proc then mount -bind /dev /media/dev then chroot /media /bin/'bash |
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| 20:14.59 | jhutchins_wk | sh4: Do an aptitude update to verify that everything's working, the aptitude install firmware-linux-nonfree |
| 20:15.44 | sh4 | ok, i am rebooting to the live again, typing from another computer, wait a sec please |
| 20:16.01 | Innocentus | I want to know what initscript is responsible for mounting fstab |
| 20:16.01 | Innocentus | I want to know what initscript is responsible for mounting fstab |
| 20:16.19 | abrotman | Innocentus: you don't mount fstab .. and stop repeeating |
| 20:16.23 | Iridos | I told you some hours ago! |
| 20:16.41 | kevlarman | Innocentus: asking the same thing 3 times in the space of a minute will not get you an answer faster |
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| 20:17.00 | Innocentus | ok |
| 20:17.27 | Iridos | it's several and the samba stuff is mounted by /etc/rcS.d/S16mountnfs.sh |
| 20:17.49 | Innocentus | Mounting local filesystems...mount error: could not resolve address for <computer name here>: Name or service not known |
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| 20:18.21 | Innocentus | using mount -a works well, the mount is done |
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| 20:18.31 | Innocentus | but during boot I allways get this error |
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| 20:19.03 | klync | so... congrats to all who helped build this $19B platform :D |
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| 20:19.56 | Innocentus | so how can samba/smbfs started before fstab is parsed and mounted? |
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| 20:20.26 | jhutchins_wk | Innocentus: Let me guess, you're runnnig wheezy. |
| 20:20.37 | Iridos | first all the local drives are mounted, then the network drives |
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| 20:21.12 | Innocentus | Innocentus: no I use squeeze |
| 20:21.59 | jhutchins_wk | Innocentus: Which kernel? |
| 20:22.00 | abrotman | no one wants to tell him to find which init script looks at the fstab file and read that script ? |
| 20:22.17 | jhutchins_wk | abrotman: We're all deferring to your superior wisdom. |
| 20:22.22 | Innocentus | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:22.31 | Innocentus | this entry is in /etc/fstab |
| 20:22.53 | abrotman | jhutchins_wk: show him how tof ind which script .. |
| 20:22.54 | jhutchins_wk | Innocentus: THat does not look right to me. |
| 20:22.56 | abrotman | win 1 |
| 20:23.45 | sh4 | auch jhutchins_wk i got this error: /boot/initrd.img-3.1.0-1-amd64 does not exist, cannot update, i am wondering: i have to bind the /boot too or something like that? |
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| 20:24.21 | Innocentus | jhutchins_wk: I use linux kernel 2.6.32-5-686 |
| 20:24.23 | kevlarman | sh4: yup |
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| 20:24.44 | kevlarman | people still use kernels < 2.6.36? D: |
| 20:24.51 | Innocentus | jhutchins_wk: using mount -a works, the network folder is mounted and I can access it in mount point |
| 20:25.02 | Innocentus | jhutchins_wk: but during boot it doesn't work |
| 20:25.07 | jhutchins_wk | sh4: Ah, it's trying to update the initramfs so it will have the firmware during boot. |
| 20:25.28 | Innocentus | kevlarman: the kernel is default I used current netinstall iso |
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| 20:25.43 | sh4 | i got also some other locale errors, because the live cd is running in english, and my debian system is in spanish, but i think that doesn't matter too much or yes? |
| 20:25.44 | jhutchins_wk | Innocentus: As far as I know the filesystem should be the third item. Can't tell you why it works other times. man fstab. |
| 20:26.00 | kevlarman | sh4: err don't bind it, but do mount it |
| 20:26.28 | abrotman | sh4: this may sound silly .. but have you tried to boot the system and ssh in ? |
| 20:26.29 | Iridos | abrotman, I told him! |
| 20:26.48 | Iridos | some hours ago and now again |
| 20:26.49 | Innocentus | jhutchins_wk: appearently the computer name cannot be resolved because mounting is done before samba |
| 20:27.15 | Iridos | (referring to <abrotman> no one wants to tell him to find which init script looks at [...] ?) |
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| 20:27.18 | jhutchins_wk | Innocentus: I don't agree. |
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| 20:27.30 | jhutchins_wk | Innocentus: cifs doesn't depend on samba. |
| 20:27.32 | Innocentus | jhutchins_wk: what can I do then |
| 20:27.59 | jhutchins_wk | Innocentus: Read the manpage for fstab and fix your entry. |
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| 20:29.10 | Innocentus | jhutchins_wk: ok, I will read it |
| 20:29.14 | Innocentus | jhutchins_wk: can you hint me what page |
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| 20:29.47 | jhutchins_wk | Innocentus: Mine only has one. |
| 20:29.53 | rozie | sh4: is it fresh install? |
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| 20:30.04 | Th0rsten | hi |
| 20:30.11 | Innocentus | jhutchins_wk: ok :) |
| 20:30.32 | jhutchins_wk | sh4: I think if the only errors you got were localle errors you should be ok. You can try rebooting. If it still doesn't work, we try again. |
| 20:31.09 | Some_Person | err, wtf? I have headphones plugged into my laptop, and I'm hearing a weird high pitched ringing noise through them |
| 20:31.22 | Th0rsten | it installed kernel 3.2 via squeeze backports but it seems the old kernel is still in use (got an error message as i wanted to install xorg from backports) how can i change to the new kernel? it is also visible in synaptics so it is installed oO |
| 20:31.22 | Some_Person | sounds like some kind of static/interference or something |
| 20:31.35 | Some_Person | or maybe morse code :P |
| 20:31.57 | rozie | Th0rsten: you need to update grub and reboot to change kernel |
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| 20:32.11 | Th0rsten | what is the command to update grub? |
| 20:32.36 | rozie | update-grub |
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| 20:32.47 | Th0rsten | thank you |
| 20:32.47 | pinkus | running Squeeze as a Virtualbox guest, but I don't see a /dev/dsp for audio... does it use a different one as a guest? |
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| 20:32.54 | rozie | did it find new kernel? |
| 20:33.13 | Innocentus | jhutchins_wk: ok, I changed the netry and try again |
| 20:33.17 | Innocentus | jhutchins_wk: *entry |
| 20:33.35 | Th0rsten | bash tells me it does not find update-grub |
| 20:33.48 | jhutchins_wk | Th0rsten: You must be root. |
| 20:34.52 | Th0rsten | ok i got messages it found the new ( and the old) kernel |
| 20:35.01 | Th0rsten | ill reboot brb |
| 20:35.12 | pinkus | does debian use /dev/dsp for audio? |
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| 20:35.40 | abrotman | pnkit can |
| 20:35.44 | abrotman | erm .. pinkus |
| 20:35.46 | jhutchins_wk | sh4: Um, looking back, you don't want to bind the /boot partition, you want to mount the actual partition. You may have to re-do some of that. |
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| 20:36.23 | sh4 | jhutchins_wk i did the bind also for the /boot partition, then reinstalled and it installed without errors (just that locale errors), not the x are working |
| 20:36.29 | sh4 | you are a genious, thank you very much |
| 20:36.32 | pinkus | abrotman: hmmm, what does it use by default. i've debian running in a vbox, and no /dev/dsp for mp3blaster to work with |
| 20:37.06 | zzing | Right now I have an ubuntu installed through wubi - basically a disk image on an NTFS drive -> is it possible for me to setup debian in the same way? For technical reasons, I cannot have it as a separate partition. |
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| 20:37.39 | Innocentus | jhutchins_wk: it works well now |
| 20:38.16 | jhutchins_wk | sh4: I think you may have had the wrong /boot then. If you have a sepeate partition for boot, you need to mount that to /media/boot so that the system can update the initramfs. If you mounted /boot from the live CD it didn't do anything. |
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| 20:38.32 | jhutchins_wk | Innocentus: xclnt! |
| 20:39.04 | sh4 | jhutchins_wk i did, and it updated and worked, the x are working now, thank you very much |
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| 20:39.15 | jhutchins_wk | Innocentus: It's supposed to mount local filesystems, then wait for networking, then mount network filesystems. Because the filesystem type wasn't in the right place it was trying to mount it too soon. |
| 20:39.24 | Th0rsten_ | re |
| 20:39.35 | Th0rsten_ | i updated grub, but still only see the old kernel version |
| 20:39.36 | jhutchins_wk | sh4: W00T! |
| 20:39.47 | Th0rsten_ | any advice what i should check now? |
| 20:40.24 | Innocentus | jhutchins_wk: thx |
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| 20:40.58 | noah | #ardour |
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| 20:44.34 | ws2k3 | how can i do ctrl+ f in pico |
| 20:44.41 | ws2k3 | if u wanne search text in it |
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| 20:45.26 | jhutchins_wk | Th0rsten_: THat's pretty strange. You were in a normal environment? Installing a new kernel should have triggered update-grub anyway. |
| 20:45.35 | jhutchins_wk | Th0rsten_: Which kernel did you install? |
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| 20:47.52 | jhutchins_wk | Innocentus: Glad to help. You could have used grep to search /etc/init.d/* for fstab or for cifs, but unless you can figure out the embedded tests in the bash scripts that might not have helped much. I think debian mounts the network shares in networking, but some systems do it from scripts within the network system. |
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| 20:49.49 | Th0rsten_ | jhutchins_wk: installed 3.2. via backport i think installing it triggered update-grub, but maybe there are some dependencies not working? |
| 20:50.23 | Th0rsten_ | after i updated grub manually, i remembered reading these "found" lines a few minutes before |
| 20:52.25 | Kobaz | in squeeze: apt-get install libapache2-mod-php5 The following packages have unmet dependencies: libapache2-mod-php5 : Depends: libqdbm14 (>= 1.8.74) but it is not installable |
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| 20:52.49 | jhutchins_wk | Th0rsten_: We presume /boot is mounted or you'd get errors. If there's some reason that /boot/grub/grub.cfg wouldn't be writable that might explain it (but I would expect an error). |
| 20:53.05 | bs0d | Hello guys. I need such thing, as the PulseAudio plugin for alsalibs. I cannot find it in apt repository. |
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| 20:53.20 | bs0d | Can someone help me with its name .. what name should I look for? |
| 20:54.14 | Th0rsten_ | jhutchins_wk: synaptics recommend installing firmware-linux-free but gives me errors if i try to do so. might this be the problem? |
| 20:54.52 | Iridos | judd, versions libqdbm14 |
| 20:54.53 | judd | Package: libqdbm14 on i386 -- lenny: 1.8.74-1.4; squeeze: 1.8.77-4; sid: 1.8.78-1+b1; wheezy: 1.8.78-1+b1 |
| 20:55.17 | Iridos | Kobaz, aptitude why-not libqdbm14 |
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| 20:55.36 | Kobaz | oh i got it |
| 20:55.43 | jhutchins_wk | Th0rsten_: No, that shouldn't affect it. |
| 20:55.43 | DarkStar1 | which file contains the all users installed on the system? |
| 20:55.52 | Kobaz | heh, i accidentally axed out the main repos for squeeze, i just have security updates |
| 20:55.52 | jhutchins_wk | Th0rsten_: You probably have an intel network card. |
| 20:56.12 | mullein | bs0d, http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/pulseaudio says that alsa is supported as-is |
| 20:56.13 | Th0rsten_ | i think it should be broadcom |
| 20:56.33 | Kobaz | yay |
| 20:56.39 | Kobaz | the why-not is pretty cool though |
| 20:57.07 | rozie | Th0rsten_: can you install pastebinit and cat /boot/grub/grub.cfg | pastebinit ? |
| 20:57.25 | rozie | (or pastebin your grub.cfg in other way) |
| 20:58.01 | Th0rsten_ | ok one moment, im on an other computer in case i had to reboot again |
| 20:59.01 | Iridos | dpkg, tell rozie about uuoc |
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| 20:59.25 | Th0rsten_ | www.pastebin.com/64cuz7L9 |
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| 21:02.31 | Iridos | Kobaz, doesn't give so very reliable results though... and also doesn't answer a lot of questions |
| 21:02.41 | Kobaz | aw |
| 21:02.44 | Th0rsten_ | 3.2.is in the cfg file if i read that right, but why is it not available |
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| 21:03.15 | Iridos | actually, think I only heard that the why-not results aren't so great |
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| 21:03.36 | Vasistha | I used to control which repo apt would preferentially download from by putting it at the top of sources.list, but now that I am using sources.list.d/ instead, is there a way to indicate that a particular .list file or repository should be given a higher priority for downloading the same package than another? |
| 21:03.37 | Iridos | abrotman, did you say that? |
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| 21:04.09 | User_007 | hello! |
| 21:04.28 | Vasistha | Iridos: btw any progress on libimobiledevie? I'm about to try recompiling gvfs with a dependency on the newer lib... |
| 21:04.38 | EntityReborn | How would I install java on debian squeeze? I'm used to ubuntu, I don't know how debian orders thngs. I do know debian uses apt-get etc |
| 21:04.54 | User_007 | i was using ufw, but when i try to start it says : error problem running ufw-init |
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| 21:05.02 | jordanm | !tell EntityReborn about java |
| 21:05.11 | User_007 | when i try running ufw-init i get: Skip starting firewall: ufw (not enabled) |
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| 21:05.16 | EntityReborn | too late, found the page in the wiki :P |
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| 21:05.45 | User_007 | i think i got catch in a loop |
| 21:05.47 | User_007 | :( |
| 21:06.07 | Iridos | Vasistha, well... I recompiled it and recompiled gvfs and it seems to work now... but ... there's yet another problem when using ifuse, that is unrelated (which I first thought is just another symptom of the same problem) so I'm now a bit confused what exactly I did that really had an effect |
| 21:06.51 | Vasistha | Iridos: I like the part where you said "it seems to work now" ... |
| 21:06.53 | Iridos | Vasistha, but my guess is backport gvfs and libimobiledevie and you can access the device via nautilus |
| 21:07.04 | Th0rsten_ | rozie: do you have an idea if you look at my grub.cfg? http://pastebin.com/64cuz7L9 |
| 21:07.07 | Vasistha | Iridos: so are you saying that you use ifuse for a different, unrelated purpose, and that it's not working for that anymore? |
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| 21:07.22 | rozie | Th0rsten_: do you see 3.2 entry in grub choice window? |
| 21:07.39 | Th0rsten_ | no, its only the old 2.6.x as well as my windows loader |
| 21:07.42 | Th0rsten_ | but no entry for 3.2 |
| 21:08.23 | rozie | dpkg -l | grep grub pls |
| 21:08.24 | dpkg | ii | grep grub pls 2.8-14.1 rozie's private stamp collection |
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| 21:08.56 | Iridos | Vasistha, well, the ipods filesystem used to be mounted under ~/.gvfs/<ipodname>, too, but now it's not. nautilus uses an afc://<ID>/ type path to access it (anyway, it's not displaying the filesystem from the / that I see via ssh and so it's not really so interesting for me) |
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| 21:10.13 | Iridos | Vasistha, no, I mean _calling_ ifuse fails with "GNUTLS ERROR: A TLS fatal alert has been received." and the automount stuff which I guess goes udev---(???)--->gvfs-->libimobiledevice works |
| 21:10.17 | Vasistha | Iridos: ah okay, well honestly I don't care so much about that, I just want to be able to sync music. After you recompiled libim..d.. and installed the -dev from it, did you need to make any changes to gvfs before it would compile correctly? I'm noticing references in sources to libim..d.. -1.0 |
| 21:10.23 | th0rsten | ii grub-common 1.98+20100804-14+squeeze1 GRand Unified Bootloader, version 2 (common files) ii grub-pc 1.98+20100804-14+squeeze1 GRand Unified Bootloader, version 2 (PC/BIOS version) |
| 21:11.09 | Iridos | Vasistha, no, don't remember any problems. gvfs just compiled with apt-get -b source.... |
| 21:11.10 | Vasistha | although it certainly sucks to have a broken ifuse. Well I guess this is probably part of why there is not an official backport yet. Although I am inclined to think this problem is solvable... well I hope... hmm. |
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| 21:11.49 | Iridos | Vasistha, and I haven't figured out why libimobiledevice didn't build the html docs either... I just ran "make docs" and removed the lines that delete the html docs on rebuild |
| 21:12.05 | Vasistha | Iridos: I took -docs out of debian/control :D |
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| 21:12.29 | Iridos | Vasistha, ah well... I thought it might be useful at some point |
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| 21:13.01 | Iridos | I dunno, I would have prefered a lot to work out how the build system works |
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| 21:13.48 | Vasistha | Iridos: sounds like yours is really a better solution. Although I have to say I'm just glad to have the thing compiled, and I'm really hoping that this is going to work... I installed wheezy on another box for this purpose, and I am just not a testing/unstable user, I don't like it at all. I want squeeze + libim..d.. 1.1.1 :D |
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| 21:14.02 | Iridos | Vasistha, with the libimobiledevice from squeeze I've even seen funny stuff like apt-get -b source libimobiled=<squeeze version> works, but if you then go inside and call dpkg-buildpackage another time it also doesn't build the html docs |
| 21:14.20 | Vasistha | oh weird. |
| 21:14.35 | Vasistha | does not understand makefiles, much less debian/rules |
| 21:14.55 | th0rsten | i think about reinstalling and using wheezy :/ |
| 21:14.56 | Iridos | *shrug* something wrong with the build process |
| 21:15.17 | rozie | Th0rsten_: have no clue why it's like that. I suspected you have old grub (second one), but not |
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| 21:15.23 | jhutchins_wk | Iridos: Which kernel? |
| 21:15.37 | jhutchins_wk | Iridos: I think the current squeeze and lenny kernels have a problem with the ipod driver. |
| 21:15.43 | th0rsten | thx anyway i still feel dumb for having to ask so much |
| 21:15.54 | Iridos | Vasistha, well, it's a pity... it would be something useful to put into backports, as this libimobil... will fail for everyone with iOS5.0.1 |
| 21:15.57 | th0rsten | i just switched to debian and only have some experience with ubuntu |
| 21:16.14 | Iridos | jhutchins_wk, no kernel! It's user-space |
| 21:16.25 | Vasistha | th0rsten: well one of the nice things about debian is #debian |
| 21:16.27 | jhutchins_wk | th0rsten: I would stick with squeeze until you know your way around wheezy IS going to break several times between now and freeze. |
| 21:16.46 | Iridos | jhutchins_wk, fuse via gvfs and libimobiledevice |
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| 21:17.04 | jhutchins_wk | Iridos: I just remember it doesn't work for my iPod touch (g2?) |
| 21:17.26 | th0rsten | ok so i will stick to squeeze, but i need to get that kernel working |
| 21:17.32 | Iridos | jhutchins_wk, dunno, it worked with mine until I upgraded that to iOS 5.0.1 to jailbreak it |
| 21:17.46 | th0rsten | right now i have a really poor resolution, its no fun booting debian :( |
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| 21:17.56 | th0rsten | but it should be :D |
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| 21:18.14 | Firge | Hi there, I just did a dist-upgrade which completely destroyed my system, and that includes grub. I'm not being able to reinstall grub in any of the ways I'm aware of, and I'm stuck with it cause my root fs is encrypted. Can anyone help me? |
| 21:18.34 | Vasistha | Iridos: if you feel like being helpful to others, wiki.debian.org/iPhone could use some instructions for the backport you've figured out :D |
| 21:18.38 | Iridos | Vasistha, actually it's supposed to be a one-line change in the code to make it work... but I applied that to the version in squeeze and it didn't seem to do anything... (the same patch is already in the testing version, though) |
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| 21:19.05 | Vasistha | Iridos: a one-line change in the libimobiledevice code to support 5.0.1 ? |
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| 21:19.25 | Iridos | Vasistha, well, I didn't really figure it out ... just kind of mess around until it builds |
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| 21:19.47 | Vasistha | mounted iphone! yay! |
| 21:19.58 | Vasistha | hmm how where is it actually mounted |
| 21:20.10 | Vasistha | ah, in ~/.gvfs |
| 21:20.32 | Iridos | Vasistha, allegedly one-line |
| 21:20.39 | Iridos | Vasistha, it's still mounted in .gvfs for you? |
| 21:20.54 | Iridos | not for me! |
| 21:21.19 | Vasistha | Iridos: well I ran the bash script available at wiki.debian.org/iPhone rather than using the gnome auto-mount |
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| 21:23.15 | Iridos | Vasistha, this: http://cgit.sukimashita.com/libimobiledevice.git/commit/?id=f0487376671ffd6ac3fc121657f1fbd0acea3cb0 |
| 21:23.29 | abrotman | Iridos: huhw hat? |
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| 21:23.51 | Iridos | didn't you say aptitude why-not doesn't work so well? |
| 21:24.08 | dynamite | im having an odd issue - my debian desktop shows my entire drive is ran out of space, but du -kh --max-depth=1 only shows a total of 23G (60G partition) used |
| 21:24.22 | Vasistha | Iridos: that is the kind of thing that I wish we could just put into debian stable :P |
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| 21:24.32 | Vasistha | Iridos: it's not allowed but... gosh... so many headaches from not having it |
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| 21:25.14 | sh4 | i have a problem with the wifi: i did: ifconfig wlan0 up -> and iwlist wlan0 scan is returning the networks, but neither wicd and network-manager are returning any network, thanks in advance |
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| 21:26.07 | Iridos | Vasistha, this is the kind of patch that I could imagine going in in a new release candidate... but as I said: I tried it with squeezes version and it didn't work ... or I was too tired already and did not install the package or whatnot :P - but I don't think so |
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| 21:26.43 | Vasistha | Iridos: yeah maybe there are other changes between 1.0.2 and 1.1.1 that are also needed to support 5.0.1 |
| 21:26.52 | jhutchins_wk | Vasistha: You shouldn't have both wicd and n-m, I recommend just n-m. |
| 21:27.09 | Iridos | jhutchins_wk, n-m == nevermind :) |
| 21:27.14 | Vasistha | jhutchins_wk: I prefer wicd, can't stand n-m ... byt maybe you meant that for someone else? |
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| 21:27.36 | Vasistha | sh4: see jhutchins_wk comment a few lines up |
| 21:27.53 | jhutchins_wk | sh4: Yeah, bad nic completion. |
| 21:28.13 | Iridos | amazing nick completion from V[tab] to sh4 :D |
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| 21:28.25 | jhutchins_wk | Vasistha: wicd was the better of the two for a while, but they've fixed n-m and it works with more cards than wicd does now. wicd doesn't even see some cards. |
| 21:28.34 | sh4 | i'm lost what are toy suggesting jhutchins_wk? i just installed wicd just for trying |
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| 21:29.18 | jhutchins_wk | sh4: If you install wicd you have to make sure n-m isn't running. If you have one or more running you're going to get odd results from the command line. |
| 21:29.48 | abrotman | you ca have them both |
| 21:30.05 | abrotman | you just have to make sure n-m doesn't think it's acgtively managing the interface |
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| 21:30.47 | sh4 | okay, anyway... you are suggesting n-m only, but i cannot get it working neither, i did a rfkill, rebooted, ifconfig wlan0 up... rebooted again... ifconfig up again... and nah... n-m still doesn't working >_< |
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| 21:31.07 | jhutchins_wk | sh4: What chipset? |
| 21:31.15 | jhutchins_wk | !tell sh4 about wifi |
| 21:31.26 | sh4 | Secret, going for an lspci |
| 21:31.32 | Firge | Hi there, I just did a dist-upgrade which completely destroyed my system, and that includes grub. I'm not being able to reinstall grub --in any-- of the ways I'm aware of, and I'm stuck with it cause my root fs is encrypted. I checked my boot partition and is a crazy mess of overlapping folders. Can anyone help me? |
| 21:31.47 | jhutchins_wk | sh4: Remember -nn |
| 21:32.15 | sh4 | Atheros AR9485 |
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| 21:32.47 | bolt | is there a way to disable the use of cron like you can for "at" by removing the "at.deny" file? |
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| 21:33.58 | jhutchins_wk | bolt: You want to disable cron why? |
| 21:34.22 | pfred1 | jhutchins_wk I've an RTAI system i need to do it on myself |
| 21:35.40 | abrotman | bolt: you could create their crontab and set it to be owned by someonee else and not writable by that user ? |
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| 21:36.11 | abrotman | bolt: but in terms of a method like at.deny .. not that i'm aware of |
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| 21:37.57 | jhutchins_wk | bolt: From the crontab manpage I would expect /etc/cron.allow and /etc/cron.deny would have some effect. |
| 21:38.38 | Arrick | how does one use the "flowscan" software? |
| 21:38.45 | bolt | jhutchins_wk: it's on a particular system where users are only supposed to run a few select commands. i am already using rbash, but i could always lock it down more, i figure. just idle tampering with the system :) |
| 21:39.43 | fasta | I would like to use pidgin, but the version shipped in Squeeze is completely broken. |
| 21:39.53 | jhutchins_wk | ,versins pidgin |
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| 21:40.04 | abrotman | notes that bit about cron.deny/allow should probably be in the cron daemon man page as well as the crontab . but oh well |
| 21:40.19 | abrotman | fasta: broken for what? i used it for quite some time .. worked fine |
| 21:40.23 | jhutchins_wk | fasta: Packages shipped in squeeze are very rarely "completely broken". WHat problems are hyou experience? |
| 21:40.25 | abrotman | su |
| 21:40.37 | fasta | abrotman: completely broken as in that it crashed two times in 10 minutes. |
| 21:40.48 | abrotman | fasta: on what service ? |
| 21:40.58 | bolt | abrotman: i just noticed that too. i'd been reading the manual for cron, but it seems the crontab one has all i need :) |
| 21:41.25 | abrotman | bolt: bonus points if you file a wishlist bug and inlucde a patch :) |
| 21:41.35 | fasta | abrotman: whatever gmail uses. |
| 21:41.43 | abrotman | fasta: XMPP |
| 21:41.50 | fasta | abrotman: ok, so XMPP. |
| 21:42.01 | abrotman | fasta: i used the XMPP in squeeze for gmail up until about five weeks ago |
| 21:42.07 | abrotman | not a problem with crashing |
| 21:42.10 | fasta | abrotman: and so did I. |
| 21:42.16 | fasta | abrotman: what exactly are you trying to say? |
| 21:42.17 | abrotman | (along with a few other XMPP accounts) |
| 21:42.25 | fasta | abrotman: that I am making this up? |
| 21:42.32 | abrotman | fasta: move your pidgin config aside .. try again |
| 21:42.58 | fasta | abrotman: uhm, that would mean having to reenter all data again? |
| 21:43.03 | abrotman | fasta: and/or try it under a new user ? |
| 21:43.07 | jhutchins_wk | fasta: I think he's trying to point out that "one service failed" is different from "completely broken". |
| 21:43.09 | fasta | abrotman: I have multiple accounts. |
| 21:43.11 | jhutchins_wk | ,versions pidgin |
| 21:43.13 | judd | Package: pidgin on i386 -- lenny: 2.4.3-4lenny8; lenny-security: 2.4.3-4lenny8; lenny-backports: 2.7.3-1~bpo50+2; squeeze: 2.7.3-1+squeeze2; sid: 2.10.1-1; wheezy: 2.10.1-1 |
| 21:43.20 | abrotman | create a tempororary/new user on your system .. set that user up for the same services |
| 21:43.37 | abrotman | fasta: okay .. so add them one by one, see if one makes it crash |
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| 21:43.45 | Th0rsten_ | rozie: sry for disturbing you again. is it possible that my problem is caused by grub not beeing installed in the MBR? |
| 21:43.47 | bolt | abrotman: heh. might as well give that a shot. just idly mucking about with the system anyway. not being useful atm :) |
| 21:43.50 | abrotman | fasta: i used it with uh .. five? XMPP accounts |
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| 21:43.58 | jhutchins_wk | fasta: The proprietary services that pidgin can access often update their protocols to lock out third party software (like pidgin). If this happened to gmail, you may need to look for a backport to fix it. |
| 21:43.59 | abrotman | (and AIM) |
| 21:44.07 | abrotman | jhutchins_wk: XMPP is hardly proprietary |
| 21:44.19 | Th0rsten_ | windows boot manager is in MBR, grub is on sda/5 i think |
| 21:44.21 | Vasistha | jhutchins_wk: so is wicd or n-m better for squeeze? My assumption is n-m is definitely better for wheezy |
| 21:44.21 | jhutchins_wk | abrotman: Does that affect what I said? |
| 21:44.25 | fasta | jhutchins_wk: XMPP has always been marketed as being open. |
| 21:44.31 | abrotman | you're the one that said proprietary |
| 21:44.39 | jhutchins_wk | Vasistha: I would say that n-m is better post-lenny. |
| 21:44.52 | jhutchins_wk | Vasistha: At least since the squeeze freexe/release. |
| 21:44.56 | klync | jhutchins_wk: unlikely google would break the open xmpp protocol, but you're right in regard to aim, msn, etc. |
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| 21:45.05 | abrotman | fasta: i'd try with the new user first .. see if that user has the same issue .. it could be a plugin or one of the accounts, etc |
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| 21:45.27 | Vasistha | jhutchins_wk: thanks. I've actually been having trouble with intermittent disconnections since I upgraded to squeeze |
| 21:45.41 | jhutchins_wk | klync: Yeah, they're usually pretty up-front with that stuff, they don't sell a proprietary client. |
| 21:46.01 | abrotman | fasta: bbiab if you want me to test .. i ahve a squeeze box at home still i can try .. be about 45 minutes or so .. leave me a note if you'd like me to try |
| 21:46.10 | jhutchins_wk | Vasistha: The disconnections are more likely hardware/driver than n-m, but failure to reconnect would be n-m. |
| 21:46.50 | Vasistha | jhutchins_wk: wicd usually reconnects just fine. I guess I was using madwifi before and now I'm on ath5k, which I guess is sadly less stable |
| 21:46.55 | fasta | I will just build the latest pidgin from source. |
| 21:46.56 | jhutchins_wk | Vasistha: I usually figure the dropped signal is my router's fault |
| 21:47.11 | fasta | There are also security issues with Squeeze pidgin. |
| 21:47.17 | Vasistha | jhutchins_wk: I was using the same two routers before, and never had this issue :P |
| 21:47.45 | fasta | Unless they got fixed of course, I didn't check it, but I kind of suspect that no company is the world cares about secure IM. |
| 21:47.49 | jhutchins_wk | Vasistha: Yeah, well, hardware fails, but I'm not saying that's what your problem is. There can also be noise issues. |
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| 21:47.55 | fasta | in the world* |
| 21:48.40 | jhutchins_wk | fasta: I would say AIM, MSN, Google, and Yahoo argue against your theory. |
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| 21:49.19 | EntityReborn | how could I run a screen session as a user at start up? I'm trying to run su -c "screen -S name /home/myuser/commandfile" myuser (from a root prompt to test it, but I get "Cannot open your terminal '/dev/pts/0' - please check." |
| 21:49.21 | jhutchins_wk | fasta: Microsoft Office Connect, whatever Lotus/Novel is doing these days... |
| 21:50.03 | rozie | Th0rsten_: if windows boot manager points to this grub, it should be irrevelant |
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| 21:50.12 | fasta | jhutchins_wk: er, you think those would be more secure? |
| 21:50.18 | jhutchins_wk | EntityReborn: Root does not own your display and can't open programs on it. The sudo wrappers can be used to open programs as root, but I think you may have some trouble automating that. |
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| 21:50.34 | fasta | jhutchins_wk: let's see a <50KLOC program vs a 10MLOC program. |
| 21:50.38 | EntityReborn | basically, trying an init.d script |
| 21:50.39 | jhutchins_wk | EntityReborn: Automating things with screen can lead to some very unpleasant and unexpected effects. |
| 21:50.57 | EntityReborn | bottom line: trying to run a minecraft server at boot, as a certain user |
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| 21:51.04 | fasta | jhutchins_wk: Also, why doesn't apt-get build-dep pidgin work? |
| 21:51.14 | fasta | jhutchins_wk: that is, why can't Squeeze build Squeeze? |
| 21:51.26 | jhutchins_wk | EntityReborn: Does i tneed a graphical display, or can it be launched from the console? |
| 21:51.27 | fasta | That should have been a release critical bug. |
| 21:51.31 | kevlarman | EntityReborn: why are you trying to d othat? |
| 21:51.38 | EntityReborn | jhutchins_wk, console |
| 21:51.47 | kevlarman | EntityReborn: perhaps you want an @reboot cron task as that user instead? |
| 21:51.50 | jhutchins_wk | EntityReborn: Put the command to start it in rc.local |
| 21:52.06 | jhutchins_wk | EntityReborn: That or maybe find/write an init script. |
| 21:52.11 | kevlarman | jhutchins_wk: he's trying to run something as a user... |
| 21:52.17 | EntityReborn | ^ this |
| 21:52.24 | kevlarman | jhutchins_wk: his issue is that that user doesn't own root's pts |
| 21:52.50 | EntityReborn | kevlarman, I assume you mean run crontab -e as said user, and add a @reboot line? |
| 21:52.56 | kevlarman | yeah |
| 21:52.58 | EntityReborn | k |
| 21:52.59 | EntityReborn | Thanks |
| 21:53.29 | jhutchins_wk | EntityReborn: This format works in rc.local: su - db2inst1 -c "db2 activate database gendb" |
| 21:53.58 | jhutchins_wk | EntityReborn: Runs the db2 command as user db2inst1 |
| 21:54.01 | EntityReborn | jhutchins_wk, thanks, i'll try the cron first |
| 21:54.38 | kevlarman | EntityReborn: you'll probably want -d -m to make it start detatched as well |
| 21:54.51 | EntityReborn | be aware I don't want to require logging in for the commands to be completed |
| 21:54.54 | kevlarman | since it doesn't have a pts to write to at that point |
| 21:54.55 | EntityReborn | kevlarman, thanks |
| 21:55.08 | jhutchins_wk | kevlarman: Haev you run a minecraft server? |
| 21:55.28 | kevlarman | jhutchins_wk: nope |
| 21:55.30 | fasta | jhutchins_wk: I suspect you just ignore criticism? |
| 21:55.45 | jhutchins_wk | fasta: No, I get pissed off and sarcastic sometimes. |
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| 21:56.14 | Innocentus | Is there also a (volatile) debian package for mod_security core rules? |
| 21:56.21 | Innocentus | Or is there an updater shipped? |
| 21:56.25 | cerettala_ | Is it just me or does minecraft server un like a peice of shit |
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| 21:56.34 | cerettala_ | run* |
| 21:56.38 | jhutchins_wk | kevlarman: Sounds like good advice anyway. |
| 21:56.55 | EntityReborn | kevlarman, so, @reboot myuser "screen -dmS minecraft /home/myuser/minecraft.sh" ? |
| 21:56.59 | EntityReborn | or similar |
| 21:57.16 | jhutchins_wk | cerettala_: Isn't minecraft closed-source proprietary stuff meant to run on a different platform? |
| 21:57.18 | klync | reading up on bug 602090 there appear to be two different workarounds suggested ... anyone know which one is "more correct"? |
| 21:57.23 | kevlarman | EntityReborn: something like that |
| 21:57.48 | cerettala_ | jhutchins_wk isn't the point of java to be multi-platform? |
| 21:57.49 | kevlarman | EntityReborn: crontab syntax is always something i forget as soon as i'm done touching it for that year |
| 21:57.53 | klync | was hoping a bot would hear me and supply the link: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=602090 |
| 21:58.00 | EntityReborn | heh |
| 21:58.04 | kevlarman | (the one time i have to deal with it every year) |
| 21:58.10 | jhutchins_wk | cerettala_: It depends on how they port it, and I gather it's pretty complex code. |
| 21:58.17 | cerettala_ | yeah |
| 21:58.38 | jhutchins_wk | klync: You're the one in charge of that now. |
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| 21:58.44 | cerettala_ | I suspect it has something to do with VMware balloning |
| 21:58.47 | klync | lol |
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| 21:59.02 | klync | jhutchins_wk: which one - the bug or the bot? talk about yak-shaving .... :/ |
| 21:59.13 | cerettala_ | (in my case) |
| 22:00.26 | EntityReborn | hm, apparently that didn't work |
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| 22:02.50 | kevlarman | EntityReborn: i'm guessing the user shouldn't be in there |
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| 22:03.08 | EntityReborn | that, or the fact that my files were owned by root :3 |
| 22:03.15 | kevlarman | that too |
| 22:03.23 | EntityReborn | (It's been a while since I've linuxed) |
| 22:03.27 | EntityReborn | facepalms |
| 22:03.29 | An_Ony_Moose | how can I install the java development kit on sid? There's a package for it in lenny and squeeze, but.. |
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| 22:04.35 | jordanm | An_Ony_Moose: apt-get install openjdk-6-jdk |
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| 22:05.40 | An_Ony_Moose | jordanm: the sun one isn't available? why is the jre from sun available? |
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| 22:06.16 | tensorpudding | it's oracle now, and no, it's not |
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| 22:06.34 | Innocentus | Is there also a (volatile) debian package for mod_security core rules? |
| 22:06.42 | Innocentus | sry, accidental repeation |
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| 22:07.38 | tensorpudding | well, i mean, it is for squeeze but not in the future due to license changes |
| 22:08.11 | An_Ony_Moose | tensorpudding: oops, my bad. So not even in universe/multiverse (which ever, I'm not familiar with the different names) |
| 22:08.15 | An_Ony_Moose | ? |
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| 22:08.36 | EntityReborn | Well, my crontab is now @reboot "screen -dmS minecraft /home/minecraft/minecraft/rtoolkit.sh" and it's still not starting |
| 22:08.53 | EntityReborn | (minecraft being the user, the shellscript being a wrapper for the server) |
| 22:09.15 | jhutchins_wk | Innocentus: What system are you talking about? An apache module? selinux? |
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| 22:09.38 | tensorpudding | An_Ony_Moose, the new license for oracle java precludes redistribution |
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| 22:09.50 | An_Ony_Moose | tensorpudding: oh. That sucks |
| 22:09.54 | tensorpudding | well |
| 22:09.56 | EntityReborn | oh, ffs |
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| 22:10.03 | jhutchins_wk | An_Ony_Moose: Ubuntu probably handles it differently. |
| 22:10.06 | tensorpudding | openjdk is nearly as good at this point |
| 22:10.17 | jhutchins_wk | An_Ony_Moose: Debian can't distribute Adobe FLash either, but there are workarounds. |
| 22:10.28 | tensorpudding | i think i read oracle plans to make openjdk the java reference implementation |
| 22:10.32 | Innocentus | jhutchins_wk: debian squeeze and apache2 |
| 22:10.40 | Innocentus | I installed the package libapache-mod-security |
| 22:10.46 | Innocentus | but then I get only mod_security |
| 22:10.49 | Innocentus | and not mod_security2 |
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| 22:10.58 | kevlarman | jhutchins_wk: why? |
| 22:11.10 | kevlarman | jhutchins_wk: all the other distros seem to distribute flash |
| 22:11.39 | An_Ony_Moose | kevlarman: flashplugin-nonfree is just a script to download it from adobe afaik |
| 22:11.42 | jhutchins_wk | kevlarman: They don't actually distribute it. |
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| 22:12.08 | kevlarman | jhutchins_wk: pretty sure on arch the package actually contains libflashplayer.so |
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| 22:12.30 | jhutchins_wk | kevlarman: They may break the license, I don't know about arch. |
| 22:12.53 | jhutchins_wk | kevlarman: Ubuntu could have a redistribution license (though I don't think Adobe does that). |
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| 22:13.16 | jhutchins_wk | kevlarman: When I've "distributed" Flash it had to be throuhg a link to their download. |
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| 22:13.50 | tensorpudding | ubuntu has a partner's channel which probably handles flash directly |
| 22:14.01 | tensorpudding | not sure |
| 22:14.08 | jhutchins_wk | An_Ony_Moose: I imagine Oracle will work things out in time, but for now you can use 6 or get 7 from them. |
| 22:14.45 | mete_cetin | Hello is there anybody who knows a good bleeding-edge WineHQ repo for debian? Ive googled but i found nothing but repos with old packages |
| 22:14.51 | tensorpudding | it's worth using openjdk instead of oracle java unless you know you need oracle java |
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| 22:15.08 | tensorpudding | in which case, it's not like you can't still use it |
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| 22:15.49 | jhutchins_wk | mete_cetin: Get it from winehq. |
| 22:16.01 | jhutchins_wk | mete_cetin: I don't think they do a repo. |
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| 22:16.39 | electricdel_ | hi |
| 22:17.58 | electricdel_ | Havin crp time with iceweasel . |
| 22:17.59 | An_Ony_Moose | jhutchins_wk: I think I'll go with openjdk if it's improved, it's been a year and a half since I last tried it |
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| 22:20.44 | kevlarman | jhutchins_wk: you made me look it up :\ |
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| 22:21.06 | kevlarman | jhutchins_wk: looks like adobe will grant distros permission to redistribute the player, but you have to ask for it |
| 22:21.17 | mete_cetin | jhutchins_wk: thanks, I search for repo because i installed debian for a newbie and automatic updates could be good for him |
| 22:21.18 | EntityReborn | ok, I ended up having to use the rc.local approach |
| 22:21.25 | EntityReborn | cron was just being stupid |
| 22:21.29 | electricdel_ | This seems like a very icy envoirnment .. Any friendlies here Deb Squeese info needed |
| 22:21.31 | thewanderer1 | where do I get Cyrus SASL? I have the library (libsasl2-2), but it does not appear to have configuration files? |
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| 22:25.25 | jhutchins_wk | bleeding edge software + newbie = blood. |
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| 22:25.54 | jhutchins_wk | electricdel_: You shouldn't take us too seriously. |
| 22:26.21 | electricdel_ | Ha ha It just looks like that |
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| 22:26.41 | jhutchins_wk | electricdel_: If you tell us what specific problem you're having you'll get better responses, but sometimes nobody is available who knows what you need. |
| 22:26.43 | electricdel_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:26.50 | klync | isn't there an alternative to nfs-kernel-server that runs in userspace? if yes, what's the pkg called? |
| 22:27.17 | electricdel_ | Iceweasel just keeps crashing |
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| 22:27.41 | jhutchins_wk | electricdel_: Which iceweasel? You said you were on squeeze, default kernel or backport (uname -r)? |
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| 22:28.02 | electricdel_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:28.13 | jhutchins_wk | electricdel_: iceweasel is firefox. |
| 22:28.25 | jhutchins_wk | !tell electricdel_ about why iceweasel |
| 22:28.46 | jhutchins_wk | electricdel_: The mozilla installers have a nasty reputation. |
| 22:29.00 | pfred1 | I'm kind of ticked off my Squeeze system upgraded my browder on me |
| 22:29.05 | thewanderer1 | where is /etc/sasl in Debian? |
| 22:29.12 | jhutchins_wk | electricdel_: Which kernel are you running, and which version of iceweasel? |
| 22:29.18 | klync | thewanderer1: /etc/sasl2 maybe? |
| 22:29.24 | jhutchins_wk | thewanderer1: locate sasl? |
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| 22:29.41 | thewanderer1 | klync, not on my system :( |
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| 22:29.43 | electricdel_ | Just a newbie very old (linux6) no handbook for Deb |
| 22:29.59 | fortytwo_de | hey, I'm getting a weird error trying to install python2.5-minimal on an armel lenny box: |
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| 22:30.06 | fortytwo_de | dpkg: error processing python2.5-minimal (--install): |
| 22:30.07 | fortytwo_de | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:30.07 | dpkg | fortytwo_de: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin). |
| 22:30.11 | jhutchins_wk | electricdel_: uname -r will give you the kernel version, please post taht. |
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| 22:30.34 | electricdel_ | Ok will do |
| 22:30.43 | fortytwo_de | I can't seem to get it to install |
| 22:30.57 | jhutchins_wk | electricdel_: To get the iceweasel version, help/about in iceweasel. |
| 22:30.59 | klync | thewanderer1: oh, i have /etc/sasldb2 |
| 22:31.00 | fortytwo_de | and I can't install anything with apt now, because of the missing configures. |
| 22:31.16 | thewanderer1 | klync, so did I, but that's for saslauthd, not relevant :/ |
| 22:31.27 | electricdel_ | 2.6.32.686 |
| 22:31.29 | fortytwo_de | is there any way I can get a more verbose output of the python2.5-minimal configure error? |
| 22:31.31 | thewanderer1 | no sites on the Web seem to know anything about cyrus sasl :[ |
| 22:32.04 | klync | thewanderer1: indeed. there's a shared imap folder you can subscribe to at cmu, but i don't have the info handy |
| 22:32.12 | electricdel_ | 2.6.32-5-686 Sorry gotit wrong |
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| 22:32.43 | fortytwo_de | also I've tried manually dpkg'ing the .deb from apt/cache |
| 22:32.44 | thewanderer1 | I just want to know how to integrate the prosody XMPP server with PAM :( |
| 22:32.46 | jhutchins_wk | electricdel_: iceweasel on squeeze is very stable, you may be having a problem with a specific type of content like flash. Tell the channel what kind of web pages (possibly give a URL) you are having trouble with. There are newer versions of iceweasel available, but they are not as well tested. /msg dpkg mdn for more information. |
| 22:32.47 | fortytwo_de | but with the same error |
| 22:32.50 | jhutchins_wk | Time for me to hit the road. |
| 22:33.03 | fortytwo_de | and no, I can't upgrade it to squeeze or anything. |
| 22:33.06 | fortytwo_de | can anyone help? |
| 22:33.21 | fortytwo_de | or sid or wheezy |
| 22:33.37 | fortytwo_de | however, python runs (weirdly enough) |
| 22:33.39 | electricdel_ | Yes have installed Icedtea6 . Then trouble started |
| 22:33.43 | fortytwo_de | but obviously I can't install anything else |
| 22:33.46 | fortytwo_de | ... please help? |
| 22:34.14 | abrotman | fortytwo_de: put what it shows now in paste.debian.net |
| 22:34.33 | fortytwo_de | http://paste.debian.net/156413/ |
| 22:34.37 | fortytwo_de | (thanks in advance) |
| 22:34.56 | thewanderer1 | apparently, Cyrus SASL doesn't exist in Debian O.o |
| 22:35.35 | abrotman | thewanderer1: or it's already compiled in ? |
| 22:35.37 | electricdel_ | I had trouble getting on here. but mostly when on utube |
| 22:36.04 | thewanderer1 | abrotman, it's like PAM, in that I should have a dir (/etc/sasl) with different conf files, only that they're not there! |
| 22:36.07 | abrotman | fortytwo_de: why aren't you using aptitude or apt-get ? |
| 22:36.14 | abrotman | thewanderer1: i know what it is .. |
| 22:36.28 | abrotman | thewanderer1: i used it with etch and lenny |
| 22:36.33 | fortytwo_de | abrotman: that was just another attempt at doing it. But I mean, apt-get says the same, returned exit error staus 1 |
| 22:36.35 | fortytwo_de | status* |
| 22:36.39 | thewanderer1 | abrotman, what I don't know is why there isn't an /etc/sasl ... |
| 22:37.11 | electricdel_ | How did you do that |
| 22:37.11 | abrotman | fortytwo_de: you can a 'set -x' on the second line of the postinst script |
| 22:37.22 | fortytwo_de | abrotman: sure, how can I do that? |
| 22:37.31 | abrotman | with an editor ? |
| 22:37.49 | fortytwo_de | yes, but where is the script located? |
| 22:37.57 | abrotman | thewanderer1: /var/lib/dpkg/info/ |
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| 22:38.34 | abrotman | judd: info sasl2-bin --release squeeze |
| 22:38.35 | judd | Package sasl2-bin (utils, optional) in squeeze/i386: Cyrus SASL - administration programs for SASL users database. Version: 2.1.23.dfsg1-7; Size: 145.0k; Installed: 416k; Homepage: http://cyrusimap.web.cmu.edu/ |
| 22:38.36 | thewanderer1 | abrotman, and what am I supposed to do there? grep? |
| 22:38.39 | abrotman | thewanderer1: not in squeeze eh ? |
| 22:38.53 | thewanderer1 | I don't know, I've got Wheezy and Sid enabled too |
| 22:39.01 | abrotman | judd: versions sasl2-bin |
| 22:39.02 | judd | Package: sasl2-bin on i386 -- lenny: 2.1.22.dfsg1-23+lenny1; lenny-security: 2.1.22.dfsg1-23+lenny1; squeeze: 2.1.23.dfsg1-7; sid: 2.1.25.dfsg1-3; wheezy: 2.1.25.dfsg1-3 |
| 22:39.23 | abrotman | thewanderer1: i know you have the franken-debian .. perhaps you're at fault, not Debian? :) |
| 22:39.26 | fortytwo_de | abrotman: nevermind, found it: http://paste.debian.net/156414/ |
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| 22:39.37 | thewanderer1 | abrotman, packages.debian.org doesn't know a dir like that, either |
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| 22:39.51 | abrotman | thewanderer1: it's possible it's not a conf file, but generated by the install |
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| 22:40.47 | abrotman | fortytwo_de: you didn't really do what i asked .. |
| 22:40.48 | thewanderer1 | then for some reason it hasn't been generated |
| 22:41.00 | abrotman | thewanderer1: so check the postinst for that package and see why |
| 22:41.04 | fortytwo_de | abrotman: oh, sorry, true lol :P doing it |
| 22:41.20 | thewanderer1 | abrotman, I just did - no mention of it at all |
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| 22:41.57 | thewanderer1 | actually, I've grepped all dpkg scripts installed on my system... nothing |
| 22:42.03 | fortytwo_de | actually, there is a lot of output and I can't redirect it to a file, abrotman |
| 22:42.08 | fortytwo_de | and it overflows my ssh client |
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| 22:42.44 | abrotman | fortytwo_de: put 'set -x' on teh second line .. use the 'script' program .. |
| 22:42.52 | fortytwo_de | abrotman: yes, yes, I already did that |
| 22:42.55 | abrotman | and flavor with screen |
| 22:42.58 | fortytwo_de | I mean the output of the postinst script |
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| 22:43.03 | fortytwo_de | but I think the important lines are |
| 22:43.03 | fortytwo_de | http://paste.debian.net/156416/ |
| 22:43.41 | fortytwo_de | that's the end of the -x, then it says the same thing as I posted before, returned error exit status 1 |
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| 22:44.15 | abrotman | are you really using lenny ? |
| 22:44.17 | fortytwo_de | oh, and it also says that "python or pycompile not found in public_modules.rtinstall hook." |
| 22:44.25 | fortytwo_de | yes, and I can't do anything about it |
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| 22:44.51 | Vasistha | fortytwo_de: some output gets directed to stderr, you can redirect that to stdout with 2>&1, then | tee logfile |
| 22:45.09 | fortytwo_de | okay |
| 22:45.26 | abrotman | fortytwo_de: do you have a pycompile binary on your system / |
| 22:45.27 | abrotman | ? |
| 22:45.44 | fortytwo_de | aparently not |
| 22:46.07 | fortytwo_de | nope, I don't |
| 22:47.17 | abrotman | fortytwo_de: if you want to be a bastard .. you can just put an 'exit 0' on the secon dline of the postinst .. it'll just exit and mark it as installed |
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| 22:47.46 | fortytwo_de | abrotman: okay, I'll do that. |
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| 22:49.28 | fortytwo_de | well, that did the trick, thansk! |
| 22:49.32 | fortytwo_de | thanks* |
| 22:50.04 | abrotman | well, i wouldn't say thank you .. it was a hack |
| 22:50.27 | fortytwo_de | abrotman: I know, I know. but sometimes you have to stick with hacks. |
| 22:50.37 | fortytwo_de | -Carl Sagan |
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| 22:50.50 | fortytwo_de | -Michael Scott |
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| 22:53.44 | electricdel_ | All I seem to get is circles within circles .6mths with Debian and nuttin but truble |
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| 22:56.17 | abrotman | that's not very desriptive |
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| 22:58.57 | electricdel_ | Iceweasel/3.5.16 anyone havin trouble with this and icedtea6 combined |
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| 22:59.07 | abrotman | what trouble are you having ? |
| 22:59.27 | electricdel_ | Crashes a lot |
| 23:00.02 | thewanderer1 | what is an XMPP server which can authenticate via PAM and is not obsolete (jabberd14)? |
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| 23:00.16 | electricdel_ | Want to install Firefox10 Then work from there |
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| 23:01.00 | babilen | electricdel_: Try a newer iceweasel from http://mozilla.debian.net |
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| 23:01.49 | electricdel_ | How do I get rid of the old one or update . Synaptic will not cooperate |
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| 23:02.05 | themill | electricdel_: follow the instructions at http://mozilla.debian.net |
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| 23:02.15 | Some_Person | How can I get a package out of apt-get's autoremove list? There are things in there I want to keep! |
| 23:02.26 | themill | dpkg: tell Some_Person about unmarkauto |
| 23:03.08 | Some_Person | themill: thanks |
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| 23:03.11 | electricdel_ | Im burnt out following that page of (drivel) information. |
| 23:03.51 | babilen | electricdel_: Please be more specific -- What errors are you running into after doing what? |
| 23:03.53 | themill | electricdel_: oh well. It can't be that important to you after all then |
| 23:04.23 | engla | electricdel_: try aptitude for better resolution? it will give you alternatives |
| 23:04.25 | electricdel_ | When I searched here for irc room |
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| 23:04.38 | babilen | electricdel_: And I hardly consider concise technical information to be drivel, but well ... have fun. |
| 23:05.28 | electricdel_ | If it works its not . But the essence is very obscure |
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| 23:06.19 | electricdel_ | I have been having more sucess with apt-get. |
| 23:06.35 | babilen | electricdel_: The instructions are not obscure at all. What exactly do you have problems with? What is hard to understand? What could be more concise or clear? |
| 23:07.15 | electricdel_ | Uninstall iceweasel ? install Firefox 10 |
| 23:07.49 | themill | electricdel_: if you want help, you're going to have to focus on the problem and provide specific answers to questions asked of you |
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| 23:08.09 | electricdel_ | There is no en trans for Deb os |
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| 23:08.27 | electricdel_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:08.49 | electricdel_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:08.58 | abrotman | we do not support Firefox, just Iceweasel |
| 23:09.15 | abrotman | if you want IW10, go to mozilla.debian.net .. the instructions are clear |
| 23:09.16 | pfred1 | that was what I was thinking this is #debian |
| 23:09.23 | lstarnes | you'll need to consult with the maintainers of firefox for that |
| 23:09.27 | richo | there is no firefox for debian officially, you can install iceweasel 10.0.1-1 from the sid repos |
| 23:09.32 | abrotman | lstarnes: no such thing in Debian |
| 23:09.36 | abrotman | richo: mozilla.debian.net |
| 23:09.38 | lstarnes | specifically the maintainers of the third-partt package |
| 23:09.41 | lstarnes | s/tt/ty/ |
| 23:09.42 | themill | richo: no... don't do that. |
| 23:09.59 | richo | surely there's a backport if he's on stable? |
| 23:10.13 | themill | richo: yes. And remarkably, that's not in sid. |
| 23:10.15 | richo | heh, didn't know about mozilla.deb... this is handy |
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| 23:10.24 | abrotman | richo: mozilla.debian.net .. we've said about five times .. he doesn't seem to care |
| 23:10.45 | electricdel_ | Look I'm sorry to have taken up your time. I wil copy the logs |
| 23:10.54 | themill | electricdel_: is there another language you'd be happier getting help in? You don't seem to be understanding us and we certainly don't understand you. |
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| 23:11.19 | electricdel_ | Only if you speak irish lol |
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| 23:12.22 | HSorgYves | does anyone know how zone transfers work using bind when different views are used? may i transfer the zones from all views? |
| 23:13.09 | electricdel_ | There are very few Linux users in eire . So no operating lug |
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| 23:13.38 | abrotman | what does a LUG have to do with this? |
| 23:14.22 | sda | hi some time ago I've used debian, however, until now had not noticed a little problem. Windows apparently always get Internet speeds faster than in Linux, regardless of the Linux distro i use. This should take approximately half of 3000 kb/s on Windows, about 400 kb/s in Linux. Is this normal? |
| 23:14.37 | sda | some tweak? |
| 23:14.41 | abrotman | sda: DSL ? |
| 23:14.49 | sda | wireless and DSL |
| 23:14.50 | sda | yes |
| 23:14.50 | electricdel_ | simple explanations . So we may be able to help others |
| 23:14.56 | abrotman | !tell sda about mtu |
| 23:15.03 | abrotman | electricdel_: have you pasted the errors yet? |
| 23:15.25 | abrotman | sda: generally, some DSL subscribers have an issue with MTU settings |
| 23:15.37 | themill | electricdel_: the page at mozilla.debian.net *is* a simple explanation. It just requires you to read and think in chunks more than 140 characters long. |
| 23:15.44 | sda | wow, interesting information abrotman |
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| 23:16.30 | electricdel_ | No . will do tomorrow I hope . If this browser works . Caio . thank you all |
| 23:16.32 | caravel | Hi there, I'm increasingly interested in tryton, found this https://code.google.com/p/tryton/wiki/InstallationOnDebian which points to this http://tryton.debian-maintainers.org => 404 |
| 23:16.40 | sda | MTU 1500 |
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| 23:17.24 | sda | Bit Rate=39 Mb/s |
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| 23:17.41 | electricdel_ | Ok will just read the link thanks you guys bye bye |
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| 23:18.27 | caravel | !tell caravel about mtu |
| 23:18.41 | abrotman | !tell caravel about selftell |
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| 23:19.32 | caravel | :( apologize and double thanks abrotman |
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| 23:24.20 | manhunter | anyone there? |
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| 23:25.51 | manhunter | is it possible to be a debian member? |
| 23:26.12 | richo | in what sense? A DD ? |
| 23:26.17 | abrotman | !tell manhunter about nmg |
| 23:26.20 | abrotman | !tell manhunter about nm |
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| 23:29.39 | manhunter | abrotman: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/ , that's a huge volume |
| 23:29.56 | manhunter | abrotman: i can only contribute in #debian channel and in forum |
| 23:30.56 | abrotman | manhunter: that's not the same as being a Debian Member .. yes, you can try to contribute on irc and/or the forums |
| 23:31.12 | thewanderer1 | okay, this is bad... !why is <blah> not in testing has a link leading to 404 |
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| 23:31.38 | themill | thewanderer1: where <blah> == ? |
| 23:31.49 | thewanderer1 | jabberd14 in my case |
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| 23:32.09 | themill | it's not in sid either |
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| 23:32.47 | EntityReborn | does debian by default have it's firewall up? |
| 23:32.56 | EntityReborn | I installed from a business card mini cd |
| 23:33.14 | abrotman | there is no firewall by default |
| 23:33.18 | manhunter | abrotman: do i have to make a debian package to become debian member? |
| 23:33.19 | thewanderer1 | themill, packages.debian.org says it is O.o |
| 23:33.24 | abrotman | thewanderer1: release.debian.org |
| 23:33.25 | EntityReborn | interesting. |
| 23:33.37 | abrotman | manhunter: you just said you wanted to contribute to IRC and forums .. which is it ? |
| 23:33.38 | EntityReborn | can someone check office.feedbubbles.org for me please? |
| 23:33.49 | themill | thewanderer1: check again |
| 23:34.07 | manhunter | abrotman: yes, i can contribute in #debian and forums.debian.net |
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| 23:34.22 | abrotman | manhunter: so what does that have to do with a package? |
| 23:34.23 | thewanderer1 | err ok, bizarre archs only |
| 23:34.35 | themill | !dbugs 650105 |
| 23:34.40 | dpkg | DONE:#650105:N[ftp.debian.org] RM: jabberd14 -- ROM; Dead upstream, all kind of bugs are piling up (); Sat, 26 Nov 2011 15:21:01 UTC [] |
| 23:34.59 | themill | thewanderer1: yeah... not-in-debian archs and other cruft. |
| 23:35.21 | thewanderer1 | so I'm stuck with ejabberd (60MB of RAM), jabberd2 (sid only, very complex and was removed from Squeeze) and prosody (which depends on SASL, which does not exist) |
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| 23:35.53 | manhunter | abrotman: if i become a debian member, then will i get manhunter@debian.org instead of manhunter@unaffiliated ? |
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| 23:36.22 | abrotman | thewanderer1: not sure why you keep saying SASL doesn't exist .. it clearly does .. i showed you |
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| 23:36.29 | abrotman | manhunter: yes |
| 23:36.47 | manhunter | is there anyone here with @debian.org ? |
| 23:36.54 | abrotman | yes |
| 23:36.54 | dondelelcaro | lots of us. |
| 23:37.00 | thewanderer1 | abrotman, yes, that package only has some daemon, and nothing mentioned in prosody documentation coincides with this |
| 23:37.18 | manhunter | abrotman: who? |
| 23:37.19 | abrotman | thewanderer1: huh? |
| 23:37.27 | abrotman | manhunter: dondelelcaro is one such person, there are others |
| 23:37.43 | thewanderer1 | ok, what I mean is: http://prosody.im/doc/cyrus_sasl |
| 23:38.13 | manhunter | abrotman: no, i got this, NickServ: Last addr : ~don@hemlock.ucr.edu |
| 23:38.20 | manhunter | abrotman: for dondelelcaro |
| 23:38.22 | abrotman | thewanderer1: prosody is packaged .. does it have dependencies or recommends on SASL? |
| 23:38.30 | abrotman | manhunter: right, he didn't ask for one, but he could have it |
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| 23:38.42 | manhunter | abrotman: who has it right now? |
| 23:38.44 | dondelelcaro | manhunter: I don't have a cloak, because I don't need one. |
| 23:39.13 | manhunter | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:39.18 | dondelelcaro | manhunter: if that's all you're asking about, then those don't get given out to people unless they are a maintainer or a developer. |
| 23:39.18 | themill | manhunter: also, people don't irc from debian machines. |
| 23:39.29 | manhunter | themill: why not? |
| 23:39.38 | thewanderer1 | abrotman, it does not recommend SASL, but somehow supports "saslauth" |
| 23:39.48 | themill | manhunter: because that's not what they're there for |
| 23:40.16 | thewanderer1 | oh screw that, I'm getting an external authentication module, I don't want SASL at all |
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| 23:42.31 | manhunter | themill: what do you mean? |
| 23:43.08 | manhunter | abrotman: thewanderer1 dondelelcaro like this, ~supybot@debian/developer/jamessan |
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| 23:44.08 | silvertip257 | that's a cloak ^ |
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| 23:44.37 | manhunter | how can i get suck cloak? |
| 23:44.42 | abrotman | manhunter: that's a cloak, and is not @debian.org |
| 23:44.50 | abrotman | manhunter: you cannot unless you are a DD or DM |
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| 23:45.01 | manhunter | abrotman: what's DD or DM? |
| 23:45.34 | silvertip257 | manhunter: use Google to search for freenode unaffiliated cloak ... unless you're part of a project (then you can get a more official one) |
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| 23:45.39 | abrotman | manhunter: why do you want a Debian cloak ? |
| 23:45.54 | abrotman | you already have a cloak |
| 23:46.10 | silvertip257 | ... no way he does |
| 23:46.11 | drags | fun question: If I have a box with stock repositories, backports repository, and a custom repository defined, is it possible for me to put DEPENDS: packageX >= 2.7.0 into a package in my custom repo if that dependency can only be satisfied by the backports repo? |
| 23:46.17 | drags | also I downpin backports to priority 100 |
| 23:46.45 | manhunter | abrotman: i want as debian |
| 23:46.49 | abrotman | why? |
| 23:46.55 | manhunter | i like it |
| 23:46.59 | silvertip257 | ;) |
| 23:47.04 | abrotman | oh okay |
| 23:47.07 | manhunter | abrotman: i use debian |
| 23:47.11 | manhunter | debian rocks |
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| 23:48.27 | manhunter | either ~manhunter@debian/developer/jamessan or ~manhunter@debian.org |
| 23:48.39 | manhunter | either ~manhunter@debian/developer/manhunter or ~manhunter@debian.org |
| 23:48.44 | manhunter | how can i get it? |
| 23:48.50 | abrotman | you can't |
| 23:48.56 | manhunter | why not? |
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| 23:49.04 | abrotman | you'renot a DD or DM, we already covered this |
| 23:49.05 | silvertip257 | you're not a debian dev |
| 23:49.19 | manhunter | so how can i be that? |
| 23:49.43 | abrotman | i already told you |
| 23:49.43 | silvertip257 | debian dev or maintainer (dd / dm) ... I figure - gotta love acronyms |
| 23:49.43 | themill | manhunter: this is a several year process, and if you're doing it for a cloak or an email address, then you're doing it for the wrong reasons. |
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| 23:50.30 | manhunter | themill: i want to be that DD or DM and i want to get debian clock |
| 23:50.44 | abrotman | manhunter: see what the bot told you .. start there |
| 23:50.47 | themill | manhunter: so start contributing. Read what dpkg told you. |
| 23:51.09 | manhunter | themill: you mean making a package? |
| 23:51.12 | themill | suspects this discussion has gone around in circles enough times now |
| 23:51.28 | manhunter | abrotman: themill if i make a single debian package, can i get that clock? |
| 23:51.32 | manhunter | and email address |
| 23:51.42 | abrotman | manhunter: no, you have to be a DM or DD |
| 23:52.12 | themill | manhunter: have you read the information dpkg gave you yet? Have you read and understood http://www.debian.org/devel/join/ ? |
| 23:52.21 | manhunter | doesn't making a single debian package make one DM or DD? |
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| 23:52.41 | abrotman | still haven't read anything ... |
| 23:53.18 | manhunter | abrotman: i'm reading that, http://www.debian.org/devel/join/ |
| 23:54.00 | manhunter | how much time does it take to become DD or DM? |
| 23:54.10 | Kamping_Kaiser | heh |
| 23:54.22 | themill | manhunter: more reading, less typing. I answered that one 5 minutes ago |
| 23:54.36 | manhunter | themill: one year? |
| 23:54.43 | Kamping_Kaiser | isn't the new DM Debian Member, not Maintainer? or is that just the process name now? |
| 23:54.44 | silvertip257 | manhunter: please stop typing |
| 23:55.08 | silvertip257 | Kamping_Kaiser: probably ... I was shooting in the dark |
| 23:55.10 | manhunter | silvertip257: why? |
| 23:55.13 | themill | Kamping_Kaiser: you're thinking of NM. DM is unchanged. |
| 23:55.22 | Kamping_Kaiser | themill: ah, thanks |
| 23:55.23 | manhunter | abrotman: themill rather i should die |
| 23:55.26 | Kamping_Kaiser | themill: you're right |
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| 23:55.32 | silvertip257 | manhunter: because they asked you to ... whatever you want, but it's getting a tad annoying |
| 23:56.15 | silvertip257 | hmm odd stuff |
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| 23:59.41 | gimpy74 | I get no audio from some of my movies (mkv files) on Debian Squeeze, how do I fix it? |
