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| 00:02.15 | silvertip257 | you have all the required codecs and what not? |
| 00:03.01 | gimpy74 | silvertip257: I don't even know what I need, VLC isn't showing any error about it. |
| 00:03.09 | silvertip257 | ahh |
| 00:03.50 | silvertip257 | bounce `file` off the video and see if it gives you any more info than you already know |
| 00:04.25 | gimpy74 | silvertip257: Tells me it's an mkv... |
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| 00:06.23 | thewanderer1 | so there's one XMPP server in Debian that works and that is ejabberd... |
| 00:06.56 | thewanderer1 | I'd compile jabberd2 myself but I don't know what happened to the udns issue |
| 00:07.01 | silvertip257 | thewanderer1: if you're open to things outside the repo, OpenFire works pretty well ... turn off pep to save memory and it's good. |
| 00:07.24 | thewanderer1 | OpenFire is: Java, too heavy for me, and doesn't support PAM |
| 00:07.39 | silvertip257 | thewanderer1: yes, it is Java |
| 00:08.05 | thewanderer1 | I've used it in the past, but I have no means of integrating it with my system now |
| 00:08.26 | thewanderer1 | and getting Sun Java is harder than before now :P |
| 00:08.40 | silvertip257 | hehe yeah |
| 00:08.47 | silvertip257 | try that Oracle stuff |
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| 00:10.25 | thewanderer1 | where can I find information on what exactly has triggered the removal of jabberd2? |
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| 00:10.55 | thewanderer1 | I'd hope to follow the lead from there and see if udns is still a problem |
| 00:12.10 | thewanderer1 | aha, CVE-2008-1447 |
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| 00:16.14 | abrotman | !tell langkid1 about apt-file |
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| 00:29.44 | holycow_ | hi guys |
| 00:29.51 | holycow_ | hmmm ... |
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| 00:30.03 | gimpy74 | Anyone have experience with audio/codec issues on Squeeze? I can't get audio from mkv files with vlc, xbmc, mplayer, or totem yet none of them give me an error as to WHY. |
| 00:30.34 | Darkelfjuggalo | Does anyone know what the message 'invalid option: -session" means on start up? |
| 00:30.48 | teratoma | gimpy74: does any of your audio work at all? is this on a desktop? are you running gnome? |
| 00:31.00 | teratoma | gimpy74: just mkv files? any audio file? |
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| 00:31.14 | gimpy74 | teratoma: Every non-mkv file works, I'm running LXDE. |
| 00:31.30 | vbrummond | gimpy74: can you tell use what codec it uses |
| 00:31.40 | teratoma | weird.. so if you run, from the command line, vlc on the mkv file, no error at all? |
| 00:31.56 | gimpy74 | vbrummond: How? |
| 00:32.12 | gimpy74 | teratoma: Nothing talking about "oh damn, I don |
| 00:32.18 | gimpy74 | 't have this codec"... |
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| 00:32.28 | holycow | hello. |
| 00:32.29 | gimpy74 | VLC output: http://pastie.org/3391153 |
| 00:32.49 | holycow | are there any packages that can simply log urls requests from local users? |
| 00:33.03 | gimpy74 | holycow: Requested how? |
| 00:33.11 | Darkelfjuggalo | Does anyone know what the message 'invalid option: -session" means on start up? |
| 00:33.18 | holycow | i presume i can setup a proxy of some sort and read those logs, my thought was that a local service might be able to provide the answer |
| 00:33.20 | abrotman | you just asked that three minutes gao |
| 00:34.01 | vbrummond | gimpy74: try setting vlc to alsa output |
| 00:34.01 | Darkelfjuggalo | yeah but it's off my screen and maximized... I want to get this question answered before I ask the other questions i have |
| 00:34.04 | gimpy74 | Darkelfjuggalo: Check /var/log/messages for the error and see if it says what program complained that. |
| 00:34.24 | holycow | gimpy74: i hope i am understanding your question, my thought being that firefox/chrome/etc query local resources and my thinking is that something locally should be able to log those requests |
| 00:34.26 | gimpy74 | vbrummond: How? |
| 00:34.34 | vbrummond | vlc audio preferences |
| 00:34.55 | holycow | oh that was a typo on your end |
| 00:34.56 | holycow | lol |
| 00:35.36 | gimpy74 | vbrummond: I can't control the GUI well on my TV, is there a command line way? |
| 00:35.55 | Darkelfjuggalo | i cannot open /var/log/messages |
| 00:36.16 | vbrummond | Darkelfjuggalo: run the command: dmesg | less |
| 00:36.19 | gimpy74 | holycow: You just want to know what URLs users of your local system are going to? Sounds like you need to set a proxy such as Squid and force your browser to use it. |
| 00:36.22 | silvertip257 | somiaj: yesterday I was asking about security.debian.org and HTTP 500 messages ... it ended up being a change I needed to make in Apt's sources.list (and of course my preseed file). This helped me > http://grox.net/sysadm/unix/approx.config |
| 00:36.40 | vbrummond | gimpy74: not that i am aware |
| 00:36.41 | silvertip257 | since I was using approx to cache packages ^ |
| 00:37.14 | holycow | gimpy74: okay right, that makes sense. thank you. |
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| 00:37.49 | Darkelfjuggalo | vrrummond: done do i need to pastebin it? |
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| 00:40.32 | gimpy74 | vbrummond: I see nothing in VLC about alsa. |
| 00:41.15 | vbrummond | gimpy74: output module |
| 00:41.29 | Darkelfjuggalo | vbrummond: http://paste.debian.net/156427/ |
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| 00:42.04 | vbrummond | DarkelfJuggalo: that is just the first 22 lines of the probably thousand line log :) |
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| 00:42.28 | vbrummond | less is a text viewer, if you just want to parse the whole log simply run dmesg |
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| 00:43.36 | gimpy74 | vbrummond: There is no output module setting. Is this under "Audio" in the interface? |
| 00:43.43 | vbrummond | yes |
| 00:44.27 | Darkelfjuggalo | vbrummond: http://paste.debian.net/156428/ |
| 00:44.37 | gimpy74 | vbrummond: Nothing says anything of the sort. Just let's me choose mono, stero, 5.1, etc as well as increase/decrease volume and select which audio track to play. |
| 00:45.10 | vbrummond | audio preferences |
| 00:45.13 | vbrummond | not audio menu |
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| 00:47.32 | vbrummond | DarkelfJuggalo: [ 104.311850] operapluginwrap[2167]: segfault at 0 ip (null) sp bf945e6c error 4 in operapluginwrapper[8048000+36000] - Seems opera (or just its plugin container) is crashing; probably flash plugin is bugging up |
| 00:48.28 | vbrummond | gimpy74: http://i.minus.com/ibcqdnCFqdbuNx.png |
| 00:48.34 | Darkelfjuggalo | my flash plug in is always bugging on anything other than Chrome... |
| 00:48.51 | Darkelfjuggalo | so, nothing to bother with? |
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| 00:49.47 | somiaj | silvertip257: oh good you figured out your approx issue. I'm not really familar with approx myself. |
| 00:50.35 | gimpy74 | vbrummond: Still no sound, even after playing with which device to use. |
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| 00:51.18 | silvertip257 | yeah ... originally I tuned into abrotman mentioning it to another person in this channel. He runs approx so I read up on both and chose approx too. :D Save me some bandwidth while I test out my preseeds and also update my machines! |
| 00:51.28 | silvertip257 | somiaj: ^ |
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| 00:52.35 | vbrummond | not sure then gimpy74, it complained about pulseaudio output but you might not even be using that, at least this effectively rules it out; as for the audio codec in the files, it looks like ac3 or something due to it being 6 channels, perhaps your sound might not like 6 channel audio; the files that do work are all stereo correct? |
| 00:54.14 | Darkelfjuggalo | Ok Next PRoblem... over the past few days, my Workstations on GNOME have been 'locking up' randomly i have switched to one to use a program open there then I'm not allowed to switch back, Last night, my mouse cursor locked on dragging a tab[against my desire], then a window popped in over it and that tab froze in place, and i couldn't remove it or work behind it, finally my right click and close options on programs keep disabling and causing me to |
| 00:54.16 | gimpy74 | vbrummond: I have no idea. |
| 00:55.08 | vbrummond | well apart from being there i cannot help you , it is not difficult to use the vlc user interface to discern what codec and how many channels the audio has |
| 00:55.13 | somiaj | silvertip257: I see, being pretty much a sid desktop user I don't have much use for fancy toys like that. I just rsyc my /var/cache/apt/archives between my desktop and laptop (only two machines) |
| 00:55.37 | vbrummond | heh i use apt-cacher-ng |
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| 00:55.55 | abrotman | silvertip257: i say crazy things |
| 00:56.05 | silvertip257 | ahh .. I'm automating things (can be nice for laziness/cookie cutter machines or disaster recovery) |
| 00:56.13 | silvertip257 | abrotman: crazy good or bad ;) |
| 00:56.41 | silvertip257 | somiaj: yeah - rsync works well for a couple of machines |
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| 00:57.57 | gimpy74 | vbrummond: Now I get no audio on anything. Awesome. |
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| 00:58.11 | ServerSaler | I am selling dedicated servers (VPS) in different countries Windows XP, 2003,2008, Seven, Cent OS, Fedora, Debian, Gentoo, Slackware, Ubuntu, Linux Mint, OpenSuse, FreeBSD, Arch Linux. Write only PM who need them. |
| 00:58.38 | vbrummond | gimpy74: heh i find it amusing you are implying I broke your sound; grow up |
| 00:58.50 | gimpy74 | vbrummond: I am not implying that. |
| 00:58.58 | kevlarman | ServerSaler: make up your mind, are they vps or dedicated servers? |
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| 00:59.23 | vbrummond | well in that case, just set the output back to default |
| 00:59.43 | vbrummond | if you are using pulseaudio, this might be the source of your troubles |
| 00:59.43 | richo | When I build some packages with dpkg-buildpackage the -doc package is archtype all, but often has a different md5 sum and conflicts when I build the same package for multiple architectures. Should I just remove -doc from debian/control for all but one arch? |
| 01:00.06 | vbrummond | otherwise this seems like an alsa issue, which frankly might be a bit complicated to fix.. |
| 01:00.23 | gimpy74 | vbrummond: It's through HDMI too which does not make it easier. |
| 01:01.16 | vbrummond | gimpy74: ah.. though it does work with some things but not the videos, that again leads me to imply it does not like the 6 channel audio |
| 01:01.50 | silvertip257 | vbrummond: any reason to use apt-cacher-ng over approx (or whatever else is out there) |
| 01:01.56 | Darkelfjuggalo | anyone have and explanation for the locking up Workstations? |
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| 01:03.03 | teratoma | the dark carnival works in strange ways, my friend |
| 01:03.30 | vbrummond | silvertip257: i have only used apt-cacher-ng; however it caches all my apt downloads and the metadata so i only need to refresh the repository index once for every computer on the network; it just nabs it locally; also keeps track of all the different repos i use, and it took a few seconds of reading documentation in /usr/share/doc/ to setup |
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| 01:05.34 | silvertip257 | yes, other than setting up what mirror I'm talking to (I use the mirror for my country) I don't have to change it for release or anything. Though I'm not using any special repos at this time. Sounds quite similar to approx (as it should) ... sometimes one alternative has an extra feature or two :) |
| 01:06.55 | Darkelfjuggalo | ok... i'll ask that later.... Last Question: I have downloaded a few game packages from Debian, i have attempted Via apt-get install, and package manager, both say the games are installed but i can not find any location to run the games to play... |
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| 01:07.21 | abrotman | Darkelfjuggalo: in which WM ? |
| 01:07.27 | felkor | hi everyone, is there any "magic options" in apt-cache or aptitude (or anything else) to list the non-free packages installed on a system? |
| 01:07.47 | somiaj | felkor: aptitude has super cow powers |
| 01:07.50 | Darkelfjuggalo | abrotman: what is WM? |
| 01:07.55 | felkor | lol Some_Person |
| 01:08.04 | abrotman | Darkelfjuggalo: Gnome? KDE? |
| 01:08.07 | somiaj | felkor: http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/projects/aptitude/doc/en/ch02s03s05.html |
| 01:08.09 | Some_Person | felkor: tabfail? |
| 01:08.16 | abrotman | Some_Person: very much so |
| 01:08.24 | Darkelfjuggalo | oh, my Desktop is GNOME |
| 01:08.25 | felkor | wow, ty both :) |
| 01:08.33 | felkor | super powers, lol |
| 01:08.48 | abrotman | Darkelfjuggalo: do you hve the menu-xdg package installed ? |
| 01:08.49 | kevlarman | somiaj: i thought it was super snake/elephant powers |
| 01:08.56 | abrotman | kevlarman: that's aptitude |
| 01:09.03 | felkor | Some_Person, yes sry |
| 01:09.09 | kevlarman | which is what somiaj said |
| 01:09.18 | abrotman | oh .. sorry |
| 01:10.10 | Darkelfjuggalo | would that be the bar at the top with 'applications' 'places' and 'system' install [most games i install go to the 'games' menu under applications] |
| 01:11.12 | somiaj | felkor: aptitude search ~i~snon-free -- that should do it. |
| 01:11.50 | somiaj | kevlarman: I thought aptitude moo told you that, but apt-get moo is still an easter egg |
| 01:11.54 | felkor | that's it somiaj ! thank you very much |
| 01:12.04 | abrotman | !tell felkor about vrms |
| 01:12.14 | vbrummond | ah beat me to vrms |
| 01:12.14 | vbrummond | :D |
| 01:12.20 | kevlarman | somiaj: aptitude -v{1,6} moo |
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| 01:13.17 | felkor | ty abrotman, very institutional (GNU) |
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| 01:13.26 | abrotman | yes .. i suppose it is |
| 01:13.35 | somiaj | "This aptitude does not have Super Cow Powers." :( |
| 01:14.04 | abrotman | somiaj: aptitude -vvvvv moo |
| 01:14.27 | somiaj | abrotman: haha (: |
| 01:14.29 | kevlarman | somiaj: start with just 1 v |
| 01:14.32 | kevlarman | and add them |
| 01:14.38 | zykotick9 | abrotman: :( you can't start with the punchline ;) |
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| 01:15.00 | abrotman | oh .. right |
| 01:15.10 | somiaj | kevlarman: ahh I missunderstood your -v{1,6} -- (: |
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| 01:26.26 | sirtophat | I'm listening to audio input with cat /dev/dsp > /dev/dsp. It plays for a few seconds then goes silent for a few and repeats. |
| 01:29.28 | abrotman | is that a question ? |
| 01:30.32 | sirtophat | well the question is how to make it play continuously |
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| 01:32.02 | abrotman | sirtophat: read what you typed again .. |
| 01:33.11 | Dulak | there is either a typo, or you are very confused about how the dsp works |
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| 01:33.57 | sirtophat | reading from it gathers the audio input and writing to it sends audio to the speakers |
| 01:34.24 | sirtophat | maybe cat is just reading large chunks and then writing them |
| 01:34.46 | sirtophat | well cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp doesn't have that issue so I don't think this would |
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| 01:34.57 | silvertip257 | preseeding...install debconf-utils if you want debconf-get-selections ;) |
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| 01:35.52 | richo | how do I sign a .changes file, long story but building with dpkg-buildpackage inside a chroot can't see my tty and gets angry |
| 01:35.58 | richo | so I need to build inside the chroot and sign outside of it |
| 01:36.15 | somiaj | richo: did you mount /proc and /dev inside the chroot? |
| 01:36.28 | richo | somiaj: I did, /dev/tty exists, but it's still jumping up and down |
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| 01:37.15 | kevlarman | richo: how about /dev/pts/*? |
| 01:37.48 | kevlarman | (if you did mount -t devfs, you need to manually mount it, if you did mount -o bind then it's already done) |
| 01:37.51 | richo | kevlarman: that whole /dev tree is there. This used to work up until this morning, so I've definitely broken something, in saying htat I kinda need to get this package up so i'd rather sign it and then deal wtih what the hell I've done to my system |
| 01:38.01 | richo | i mounted both with -o bind |
| 01:39.22 | sirtophat | what would you recommend for streaming microphone input |
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| 01:43.11 | Darkelfjuggalo | my menu-xdj is at the newest version... any other ideas as to why i cannt find any kind of launcher for the game pkgs I install |
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| 01:59.32 | thewanderer1 | what does a small warning sign (triangle with "!", yellow) mean next to a contact icon in Kopete? I'm getting that |
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| 02:01.11 | abrotman | are they active? Did you try to re-request authorization? |
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| 02:06.23 | Darkelfjuggalo | can someone please tell me how to Run an application from Terminal, when i do not know the file's location. |
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| 02:08.10 | civillian | Darkelfjuggalo: 'locate' is useful but it searches an index, not the real live file system |
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| 02:10.21 | abrotman | Darkelfjuggalo: how di dyou install the app ? |
| 02:10.24 | Darkelfjuggalo | civillian: i don't quite under stand that... |
| 02:11.18 | Darkelfjuggalo | abrotman: Package manager, I install 3 games, 1 displays in the games sub-menu under application, the other 2 didn't |
| 02:11.25 | thewanderer1 | abrotman, I've tried re-requesting and re-sending auth about 20 times I think |
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| 02:12.12 | thewanderer1 | it seems as if presence is not working at all with this ejabberd setup |
| 02:12.18 | abrotman | thewanderer1: i don't use kopete .. i was just suggesting that might be what it is |
| 02:12.29 | abrotman | Darkelfjuggalo: dpkg -L <pkgname> |
| 02:12.56 | Darkelfjuggalo | do i need to sudo that? |
| 02:13.05 | LtL | Darkelfjuggalo: no |
| 02:13.42 | pfred1 | civillian updatedb |
| 02:14.22 | Darkelfjuggalo | ok several lines came up...i'll paste it, can someone tell me the location to put in a launcher? |
| 02:15.00 | LtL | Darkelfjuggalo: do not paste it here, use pastebin |
| 02:15.39 | Darkelfjuggalo | LtL: that much i know http://paste.debian.net/156433/ |
| 02:16.38 | abrotman | Darkelfjuggalo: /usr/games/angband |
| 02:17.04 | LtL | Darkelfjuggalo: you can right click on the upper panel and 'add launcher' fill in the appropriate path. |
| 02:17.07 | abrotman | Darkelfjuggalo: but unless you've done something, /usr/games/ is in your path |
| 02:17.33 | abrotman | Darkelfjuggalo: but if you have menu and menu-xdg installed, it should install a menu item in your Gnome menu (you also have to enable the 'Debian' submenu) |
| 02:17.36 | Darkelfjuggalo | Thank, the 2nd game http://paste.debian.net/156434/ |
| 02:17.43 | abrotman | you try this one |
| 02:17.49 | abrotman | you can't ask us to find all of your games |
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| 02:18.31 | Darkelfjuggalo | it should have went to the Gnome: Applications: Games sub-menu like the other games i have |
| 02:18.44 | abrotman | or just keep arguing .. |
| 02:19.01 | LtL | Darkelfjuggalo: in a terminal type the path '/usr/games/name &' run it in the background, also.. when updatedb runs you may find it in your menu. |
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| 02:19.37 | abrotman | updatedb won't fix that |
| 02:19.38 | engla | what connection does updateb have with the menu? |
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| 02:20.04 | LtL | abrotman: ok, sorry. |
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| 02:20.40 | diverdude | How do i restart syslog? |
| 02:20.44 | LtL | sometimes I've found the menu doesn't update immediately, my bad, sorry. |
| 02:21.18 | abrotman | diverdude: /etc/init.d/syslogd ? |
| 02:22.03 | engla | LtL: for me it usually does. You just need to add a new .desktop file |
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| 02:23.56 | PastorBones | I just installed Debian for PPC but get a blank screen...how do I boot into single user mode to fix my drivers? |
| 02:24.22 | LtL | engla: thank you |
| 02:24.29 | abrotman | type 'single' instead of 'linux' at the yaboot prompt ? |
| 02:24.56 | PastorBones | thank you...any good place to find info on a nvidia fx 5200 vid card? on how to configure it? sorry, new to debian |
| 02:25.03 | engla | I think you'll have to say linux single |
| 02:25.07 | diverdude | abrotman: hmm how do i restart it with -r switch? |
| 02:26.01 | abrotman | diverdude: you probably want to look in the init script to see if it reads options from another file |
| 02:26.05 | abrotman | it likely does |
| 02:26.12 | abrotman | PastorBones: i know little about nvidia |
| 02:26.26 | PastorBones | would it be different because it's PPC? |
| 02:26.30 | engla | maybe you want to boot with video=ofonly or so |
| 02:26.43 | LtL | PastorBones: try looking it up here, http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ |
| 02:26.45 | abrotman | PastorBones: honestly, i don't know .. the PPC i have uses ATI, and has free drivers |
| 02:26.49 | engla | PastorBones: not really, but non-free drivers won't be available I think |
| 02:27.11 | PastorBones | ok, some place to start, thanx again |
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| 02:44.53 | thewanderer1 | apparently, presences are broken when using PAM auth O.o |
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| 02:48.08 | engla | is there an alternative to pam? |
| 02:48.27 | dondelelcaro | engla: why do you want one? |
| 02:49.08 | engla | I'm just wondering if things are transitioning again |
| 02:49.34 | dondelelcaro | engla: not to my knowledge. pam has been around for a very long time, and supports tons of authentication methods... |
| 02:49.36 | engla | as in subsystems being replaced by newer ones |
| 02:49.40 | engla | ok |
| 02:49.43 | dondelelcaro | I don't think anyone is planning on replacing it soon |
| 02:50.05 | dondelelcaro | parts of pam may be replaced... but pam itself is pretty entrenched |
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| 02:56.31 | thewanderer1 | let's hope it's not going to be replaced by something altogeter more scary, such as SASL |
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| 02:59.17 | dondelelcaro | sasl is just an authentication protocol... it's a bit orthogonal |
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| 03:14.46 | RhodWulf | Hi, someone has debian mirror for cdimage? |
| 03:15.21 | abrotman | ftp.ch.debian.org |
| 03:15.54 | RhodWulf | haah sorry, conf for cdimage mirror |
| 03:16.41 | abrotman | you want to mirror the cdimage server? |
| 03:16.49 | RhodWulf | yes |
| 03:17.25 | abrotman | why? |
| 03:17.50 | RhodWulf | ? |
| 03:18.16 | abrotman | you want to become a public CD mirror for Debian ? |
| 03:19.03 | RhodWulf | yes |
| 03:19.20 | RhodWulf | i'm from L.A |
| 03:19.23 | Hydroxide | it's also reasonable to mirror privately too - especially if you just mirror the jigdo files |
| 03:19.45 | abrotman | reasonable? |
| 03:19.54 | Hydroxide | RhodWulf: http://www.debian.org/CD/mirroring/ |
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| 03:20.28 | Hydroxide | abrotman: yeah. there have been times when I"ve wanted to generate CD images without internet access. I'm weird, I know :) |
| 03:20.35 | RhodWulf | Hydroxide: yes, but i need some example about the conf. |
| 03:20.50 | Hydroxide | RhodWulf: the web page has an example |
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| 03:21.44 | abrotman | Hydroxide: you'd have to plan ahead? why not just grab the ISO? |
| 03:21.45 | Hydroxide | RhodWulf: anyway it's mostly rsync |
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| 03:22.23 | Hydroxide | abrotman: cdimage.d.o is slow, somewhat intentionally. and I wouldn't have to plan ahead beyond what I was doing as a matter of habit nightly. I have/had a local debian mirror on my laptop and the jigdo/template files up to date |
| 03:22.27 | Hydroxide | abrotman: so I could just do it all from there |
| 03:22.37 | Hydroxide | abrotman: the isos are large to transfer |
| 03:22.38 | dvs | likes to make double Blu-Ray discs from a local repo |
| 03:22.51 | abrotman | Hydroxide: so are the contents to make a jigdo? :P) |
| 03:23.00 | RhodWulf | hahaha |
| 03:23.10 | Hydroxide | abrotman: not if you have them anyway for mirror purposes |
| 03:23.19 | abrotman | right .. but they're just as large |
| 03:23.20 | Hydroxide | abrotman: once you do, the iso becomes a much greater waste |
| 03:23.41 | Hydroxide | abrotman: well when I was doing this, I was installing packages when away from internet access a lot more often |
| 03:23.49 | Hydroxide | and also when I was on internet access I didn't want to monopolize |
| 03:24.12 | Hydroxide | whereas the updates just happened overnight as I slept |
| 03:24.20 | Hydroxide | have been doing it less lately since I've been busy with $dayjob |
| 03:24.52 | abrotman | i'm saying if you're doing it from scratch .. neither are efficient likely .. and the ISO would be just as efficient as jigdo for a single image |
| 03:25.00 | abrotman | freaking dayjobs |
| 03:25.12 | RhodWulf | !! |
| 03:25.12 | dpkg | I'm not your csh prompt! |
| 03:25.39 | Wyzard | jigdo has the advantage that you can use an old ISO as a starting point for downloading a new one |
| 03:26.13 | Hydroxide | abrotman: even for a single image, often it's not as efficient to transfer an ISO, because quite usually the fastest archive mirror from any given location doesn't mirror the ISOs |
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| 03:26.19 | Wyzard | e.g. loop-mount the 6.0.3 isos and have jigdo scan them when building 6.0.4 isos |
| 03:26.21 | Hydroxide | because in turn that increases the disk space requirements by a lot |
| 03:26.29 | Hydroxide | and also the transfer usage |
| 03:26.31 | Hydroxide | of bandwidth |
| 03:26.46 | abrotman | Wyzard: yes, that's why i said a single use |
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| 03:27.25 | Hydroxide | abrotman: and not only is the fastest mirror probably not going to have ISOs, not all images are pre-provided in ISO form, some only via jigdo |
| 03:27.40 | Hydroxide | and cdimage.debian.org is intentionally throttled, at least for isos |
| 03:27.44 | Hydroxide | so that people don't do that :) |
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| 03:28.16 | Wyzard | What about bittorrent? |
| 03:28.47 | Hydroxide | dunno whether they're all provided by torrent too. probably at least some are. |
| 03:29.00 | abrotman | the main architectures are at least |
| 03:29.06 | Hydroxide | yeah |
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| 03:29.10 | Hydroxide | well |
| 03:29.12 | Hydroxide | and the main isos for them |
| 03:29.21 | Wyzard | It'd be nice if a torrent could point to HTTP sources for the individual package files, so it'd work like jigdo |
| 03:29.29 | Wyzard | I don't think it can (though it can point to HTTP sources for the whole iso) |
| 03:29.44 | Hydroxide | I'm guessing jigdo might also be faster if you already have a bunch of the packages in a local apt cache that hasn't run apt-get clean recently :) |
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| 03:29.50 | Hydroxide | dunno if jigdo uses that |
| 03:29.51 | innociv_ | My machine has been DDoS'd for two days and my hosting service doesn't really seem to want to do anything about it. I don't know what else I can/should do. |
| 03:30.01 | Wyzard | It doesn't automatically, but you can tell it to |
| 03:30.08 | Hydroxide | gotcha |
| 03:30.11 | abrotman | innociv_: you really can't do anything. THey should be doing it |
| 03:30.18 | Wyzard | but I never keep any files in /var/cache/apt/archives anyway |
| 03:30.36 | innociv_ | K. So I would need to find a better host if they continue to not do anything? |
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| 03:33.37 | nsadmin | innociv_, be careful... your TOS could stipulate that attracting a ddos is a breach of your agreement |
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| 03:34.11 | innociv_ | First time i've been DoS'd in over 2 years though. |
| 03:34.42 | innociv_ | But yeah I know that's why lots of hosts don't allow irc. |
| 03:35.08 | nsadmin | or botnets :) |
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| 03:35.22 | pfred1 | has a shiny cloak |
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| 03:44.43 | innociv_ | Only thing I found in the ToS is that you can't use them to DoS |
| 03:45.01 | pfred1 | vas is DoS? |
| 03:45.35 | LtL | pfred1: denial of service = DoS |
| 03:46.04 | innociv_ | If I have to change hosts for a dedicated server,where should I look? |
| 03:46.14 | LtL | pfred1: Distributed denial of service = DDoS |
| 03:46.16 | innociv_ | My host seems to be being very lazy. |
| 03:46.21 | pfred1 | DOS ran Doom so it couldn't have been all bad |
| 03:46.29 | abrotman | !hosting |
| 03:46.30 | dpkg | http://wiki.debian.org/DebianHosting |
| 03:46.32 | dvs | heh |
| 03:46.49 | LtL | pfred1: you means disk operating system DOS |
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| 03:53.01 | tidux | I think I found an X bug in Sid |
| 03:53.18 | tidux | suspend/resume on lid close/open is broken on my laptop |
| 03:53.20 | abrotman | no! |
| 03:53.27 | abrotman | tidux: is that Xorg or acpi ? |
| 03:53.35 | tidux | it's Xorg |
| 03:53.37 | innociv_ | That doesn't help tell me if they're good or not, abrotman. ;( |
| 03:53.39 | abrotman | did you check the BTS to see if a bug has been filed? |
| 03:53.47 | tidux | it doesn't display that behavior under other OSes |
| 03:53.50 | abrotman | innociv_: i'm sure you can google for reviews? |
| 03:53.53 | tidux | checking now |
| 03:54.04 | abrotman | tidux: that doesn't answer teh question if it's Xorg or acpi |
| 03:54.11 | abrotman | or even a kernel bug |
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| 03:54.32 | tidux | abrotman: it's not a kernel bug |
| 03:54.38 | tidux | because when I was on 3.1.0 it didn't happen |
| 03:54.45 | tidux | but after some upgrades, including to 3.2.0 it started |
| 03:54.54 | tidux | booting back into 3.1.0, it still happens |
| 03:55.03 | tidux | so this is a new bug with the same kernel image |
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| 03:55.56 | abrotman | !reportbug |
| 03:55.56 | dpkg | reportbug is used to submit bugs to the Debian <BTS>. Install reportbug, then run reportbug. Or on the web, http://www.debian.org/Bugs/, or see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch05s04#problem-report for some general information about using reportbug and/or for <debian-installer> bug reporting. Also ask me about <report-bugs>. http://wiki.debian.org/reportbug http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting |
| 03:56.10 | tidux | yeah, I'm just trying to figure out what package this is for |
| 03:56.16 | tidux | I've used reportbug a lot |
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| 03:57.36 | WormFood | anyone have any ideas why "starting file manager" is stuck in an endless loop, opening so many windows I can't even use my task bar? I just started x-chat, and out of nowhere, I get this shit. |
| 03:57.59 | abrotman | in what? |
| 03:58.12 | WormFood | in X11 |
| 03:58.18 | abrotman | ugh .. |
| 03:58.23 | tidux | what file manager |
| 03:58.24 | tidux | derp |
| 03:58.41 | WormFood | I don't know, whatever comes with gnome. I don't use it. |
| 03:59.17 | WormFood | it had only been doing this on startup, but just now it started doing it out of nowhere. |
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| 03:59.41 | nsadmin | WormFood you can cooperate in your asking to be helped by volunteering information, helping to discover details and providing those details. |
| 03:59.53 | WormFood | it does not show a window, only on the task bar |
| 04:00.05 | WormFood | nsadmin, what info do you want? I don't know how better to describe this problem |
| 04:01.36 | nsadmin | when you say "x11", I think abrotman was actually curious to know what wm or dm you're using... also, what versions of things involved, any log entries you notice etc etc |
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| 04:02.24 | LtL | WormFood: look in ~/.xsession-errors for some clues. |
| 04:02.24 | WormFood | using gnome 2 on debian stable |
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| 04:03.13 | WormFood | nope, that log file shows nothing relevant |
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| 04:04.01 | belak | How unstable is debian testing?> |
| 04:04.13 | WormFood | belak, do you like gnome 3? |
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| 04:04.50 | belak | I don't have a desktop environment on that computer |
| 04:05.03 | WormFood | good |
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| 04:05.14 | WormFood | testing is fairly stable, but of course can break |
| 04:05.21 | belak | How often should I expect stuff to break? |
| 04:05.36 | WormFood | I've used testing on my servers before with no problems, but honestly I run stable, and update the things I need |
| 04:05.54 | belak | I really need to update gstreamer... |
| 04:06.31 | WormFood | you can expect it to break at the worst possible time. most likely when you're already stressed out from other unrelated problems. It has a "critical use" detector, that can detect when you're using it for something critical, so it can schedule an incompatibility. |
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| 04:07.04 | belak | How would I go about just updating a certain set of packages? |
| 04:07.09 | WormFood | feels that way sometimes, don't it? |
| 04:07.15 | WormFood | backports |
| 04:07.25 | WormFood | what set of packages are you looking to update? |
| 04:07.32 | belak | gstreamer |
| 04:07.48 | belak | I need the GstDiscoverer which isn't in squeeze |
| 04:08.37 | WormFood | yeah, stable is frozen in time...it will never get updated unless there is a security problem, or other major problems....testing will get updated much more frequently, but sometimes (not often) will break |
| 04:09.04 | WormFood | I've found that sid breaks the most, followed by testing and stable (can't comment on the other branches, because I don't use them) |
| 04:09.35 | engla | interesting research |
| 04:09.45 | WormFood | who said it was research? |
| 04:09.52 | WormFood | that is my personal experience |
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| 04:10.21 | engla | well it should be pretty obvious that it's so from the construction of unstable -> testing -> stable |
| 04:10.26 | tidux | yep |
| 04:10.38 | tidux | the catch is that breakages in Testing tend to last longer |
| 04:10.47 | tidux | since each potential fix has to be passed down from Sid |
| 04:10.50 | WormFood | and that is what most people would expect |
| 04:12.09 | WormFood | I've found with sid, it is best to keep it updated frequently. My experiences are that it breaks more frequently the longer you wait to update it |
| 04:12.26 | tidux | yep |
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| 04:13.02 | WormFood | if I wait a few months to update sid, I can almost guarantee I'll have some problem somewhere....on the up side, usually the problems are minor, and easy to fix. Usually google is good about finding solutions for problems with sid |
| 04:13.06 | zykotick9 | seems to value reliability stability to much, and can't understand running testing or sid (except in VMs or as testing/development boxes) |
| 04:13.51 | WormFood | zykotick9, I think you'll find most of the people running testing or unstable, that are not developers, do so to get more up-to-date packages. |
| 04:14.23 | zykotick9 | WormFood: ya, I personally seem imune from !sns |
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| 04:14.37 | WormFood | of course, I could be wrong about that, but that is what I see |
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| 04:17.00 | belak | So, what I need isn't in squeeze-backports either... do I have any other options? |
| 04:17.14 | WormFood | compile from source |
| 04:17.57 | zykotick9 | !ssb |
| 04:17.57 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
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| 04:36.51 | Some_Person | I need some help. I've got a hard drive that accidentally got erased. It shows up as unpartitioned and appears to have no partition table |
| 04:37.01 | Some_Person | There are files on it that are not backed up anywhere |
| 04:37.46 | blawiz | im sorry |
| 04:37.52 | Some_Person | Is there anything I can do? |
| 04:38.15 | Some_Person | Some of the files are family photos and other personal stuff |
| 04:38.35 | WormFood | photorec |
| 04:38.35 | zykotick9 | Some_Person: you might want to try testdisk/photorec |
| 04:38.59 | Some_Person | I tried TestDisk. It scans for a long time then keeps reporting I/O errors |
| 04:39.03 | WormFood | but don't use photorec from debian, unless it is unstable...get the newest version to get the best chance of recovering the most files |
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| 04:39.16 | Some_Person | I use debian testing |
| 04:39.31 | WormFood | your hard drive is bad, it sounds like to me. |
| 04:39.41 | LtL | Some_Person: the hdd sounds like it's fubar'd |
| 04:39.53 | WormFood | did you try photorec? |
| 04:40.19 | WormFood | I've had spectacular results with photorec...not perfect, but beats the hell out of a hand recovery |
| 04:41.00 | Some_Person | I'll try it |
| 04:41.22 | somiaj | Some_Person: how complicated was the partition table before it just vanished? |
| 04:42.05 | Some_Person | Hey, photorec sees the files! Thanks |
| 04:42.41 | somiaj | ahh good, I was just going to comment I've seen file systems completely survive destroying and rewriting a partition table (provided the partition table was the same). |
| 04:43.20 | Some_Person | Wait, nvm, I was looking at my home directory on the local system (some of the files on the drive are also in there) |
| 04:43.38 | Some_Person | I jumped to conclusions at the sight of a couple of recognizable files |
| 04:44.03 | Some_Person | Problem is, this drive is nowhere near big enough to store all the files |
| 04:44.17 | Some_Person | The drive with the problem is 1.5TB |
| 04:44.22 | zykotick9 | Some_Person: don't expect to recognize the filename photorec "finds" (assuming it finds anything), the filenames will probably NOT be there |
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| 04:44.59 | Some_Person | Oh, it seems to be finding files, and it's throwing them all in a folder (and making a mess of it) |
| 04:45.11 | belak | What are things that could go wrong when updating to debian testing? |
| 04:45.28 | somiaj | belak: depends on the day of the week and the current state of testing. |
| 04:46.02 | belak | What's the worst case scenario? |
| 04:46.05 | somiaj | belak: anything from barely anything noticable, to the system is not functional afterwards and anywhere in between |
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| 04:46.34 | belak | What are the chances it wipes some of the drives? |
| 04:46.41 | Some_Person | I suppose it's better than nothing, but my giant video library will be a huge mess after this |
| 04:46.44 | somiaj | belak: why do you want to upgrade to testing, you don't sound like someone who understands debian packagemanagment to upgrade. |
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| 04:47.20 | Some_Person | Is there any other way to do it? Hopefully something that saves the directory structure and file names? |
| 04:47.24 | somiaj | belak: there is only a slight chance you'll loose the data (to a point it isn't recoverable) but you could make your os not work with a higher chance and have to use recovery tools to get thigns tback. |
| 04:47.53 | Some_Person | And maybe doesn't involve transferring everything to another drive? |
| 04:48.00 | somiaj | Some_Person: my random suggestion is if the partition table was very simple, is put new parition table just like the original and hope the drive is good enough debian can see the filesystem headers and mount it. |
| 04:48.07 | belak | A few reasons - development... some stuff I need isn't in stable, and knowing how often stable adds features, I'll be waiting for years, also rolling release is nice... though that's only secondary |
| 04:48.23 | somiaj | Some_Person: you will need to get stuff off the drive, it sounds bad, I'd say get off what ever you can soon before it gets worse. |
| 04:48.36 | Some_Person | somiaj: I believe it was just one NTFS partition, but what you're suggesting sounds dangerous |
| 04:48.51 | Some_Person | somiaj: I made the mistake of wiping it. It was my bad |
| 04:49.02 | somiaj | Some_Person: all you did was wipe the parititon table? |
| 04:49.22 | Some_Person | somiaj: I don't really know what I did |
| 04:49.23 | somiaj | belak: testing is not a rolling relaese, as in it is not a release and there is really no guarntee updates work from one day to the next |
| 04:49.41 | belak | I know it's not technically a rolling release |
| 04:49.50 | somiaj | Some_Person: messing with the partition table won't hurt the actual data, but it is a long shot it actually lets you see the filesystem enough to mount it |
| 04:50.18 | somiaj | belak: also a few suggestions. 1) use stable because it is stable and will work but lets deal with a few pieces are old |
| 04:50.36 | belak | So, how am I to go about upgrading gstreamer? |
| 04:50.50 | nsadmin | backporting |
| 04:50.53 | somiaj | belak: 2) use backports, you can backport or find backports of things that you need newer version |
| 04:51.04 | belak | There aren't any backports I could find |
| 04:51.15 | nsadmin | then you backport |
| 04:51.18 | somiaj | belak: 3) if it is for development, you can build a testing or even unstable chroot in which to do all your development compling of files/play around, but still be on a stable system. |
| 04:51.26 | vbrummond | updating gstreamer sounds like bad business |
| 04:51.30 | belak | In order to do that, I need updated gio, glib, gtk, etc, which I don't want to build manually... |
| 04:51.35 | Some_Person | somiaj: Like I said, I'm not 100% sure what I did. I was trying to wipe the MBR, but it seems I hosed the partition table and who knows what else too |
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| 04:51.38 | somiaj | blawiz: yea why do you need to update gsteramer |
| 04:52.33 | Rusty1 | testdisk , gpart been tried Some_Person ? |
| 04:52.38 | somiaj | Some_Person: yea, I was just pointing out the parttion table and data are on differnt parts of the disk. Just rewriting the parititon table exactaly like it use to be might allow your os to see your file system. But beyond that you are limited to using that tool suggested to read thought he whole drive bit by bit and pull off any files it can idenitfy. |
| 04:52.49 | somiaj | belak: why do you need a newer gstreamer? |
| 04:52.54 | Some_Person | I tried testdisk, but after scanning for hours it just kept throwing out I/O errors |
| 04:53.23 | somiaj | Some_Person: again sounds like a bad harddrive, sometimes there is not much you can do except have a paper weight in that case. |
| 04:53.46 | Some_Person | somiaj: That assumes I know exactly how it used to be. If I'm lucky, it was just a single NTFS partition from beginning to end, but I'm not sure |
| 04:54.10 | Some_Person | And I assume that if my assumption is wrong I'm royally screwed |
| 04:54.12 | somiaj | Some_Person: yup, again I said a shot in the dark. (: |
| 04:54.43 | somiaj | if you don't put teh correct partition table on there you wont' destory any actual data, you'll just be where you are now, scanning the whole disk byte per byte looking for file headders and pulling the resulting files from it |
| 04:54.49 | belak | somiaj: In specific, for GstDiscoverer |
| 04:55.17 | Some_Person | somiaj: Ok, so could you please walk me through this so I can do this as safely as possible? |
| 04:55.37 | somiaj | Some_Person: not really sure a good step by step walk though, more just a suggestion. |
| 04:56.04 | belak | Some media management programs I wrote for that server that won't work on there because of that... I just want to scan for files... and the version of gst in stable can't do that. In order to get the info I'd need, I would have to play each file, catch the signals I need and skip it when it was done... |
| 04:56.12 | Some_Person | The last thing I want is my data to be gone |
| 04:56.19 | somiaj | Some_Person: again this suggest is just under teh assumption your parititon table is damaged and a new one will allow you to see your filesystem, if more is damaged it won't do anything. Your best bet is to do as little to the drive as possible and use the recovery tools |
| 04:56.25 | belak | The GstDiscoverer lets me just send it a filename and get the info |
| 04:56.42 | Some_Person | The partition table appears to be 100% gone. TestDisk complains about it |
| 04:56.43 | Rusty1 | Some_Person: might try some of the tools on hirens |
| 04:56.47 | somiaj | belak: and it is not possible to backport gstdiscoverer to the gstreamer version in squeeze? |
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| 04:57.10 | EntityReborn | crontabs run regardless if the user has logged in or not, correct? |
| 04:57.17 | belak | gstdiscover is part of gstreamer-plugins-base, which means updating all of gstreamer |
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| 04:57.31 | Some_Person | PhotoRec has demonstrated that the files are still there at least |
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| 04:57.47 | EntityReborn | NishaKitty, =D |
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| 04:58.28 | NishaKitty | hi |
| 04:58.29 | somiaj | ,check backports gstreamer-plugins-base |
| 04:58.48 | somiaj | hmm, wish I could recall the command to see if it is possible to backport that yourself. |
| 04:59.00 | belak | ,check backports gstreamer0.10-plugins-base |
| 04:59.11 | belak | That's the full package name |
| 04:59.21 | somiaj | well you need the source package, but its the check backports that is wrong |
| 04:59.34 | Some_Person | So how should I go about recreating the partition table |
| 04:59.48 | somiaj | Some_Person: use a program like gparted or cfdisk to write a new one |
| 04:59.50 | vbrummond | i find it highly unlikely you would be able to backport gstreamer to stable, but i have never tried |
| 04:59.51 | Rusty1 | Some_Person: have you tried a simple chkdsk from a windows cd ? |
| 05:00.10 | somiaj | belak: http://packages.debian.org/source/wheezy/gst-plugins-base0.10 there is the actual source package |
| 05:00.17 | Some_Person | Rusty1: Not sure how I'd do that considering that it has no drive letter because it appears unpartitioned because it has no partition table |
| 05:00.34 | somiaj | belak: you could try to follow the instructions in /msg dpkg ssbp and see if it backports just fine |
| 05:00.54 | belak | I tried that... tons of dependency issues |
| 05:01.35 | Rusty1 | Some_Person: appears unpartitioned to chkdsk? |
| 05:01.45 | somiaj | belak: like what? |
| 05:01.49 | Some_Person | Rusty1: chkdisk requires a drive letter to work |
| 05:02.29 | belak | dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: cdbs (>= 0.4.20) gnome-pkg-tools (>= 0.7) autotools-dev dh-autoreconf libgmp3-dev libgsl0-dev bison (>= 1.875) flex (>= 2.5.34) perl-doc libgirepository1.0-dev (>= 0.9.12-4~) gobject-introspection (>= 0.9.12-4~) gir1.2-glib-2.0 gir1.2-freedesktop gtk-doc-tools (>= 0.7) jade (>= 1.2.1) transfig (>= 3.2.3.c) docbook-utils (>= 0.6.9) docbook-xml docbook-xsl xsltproc (>= 1.0.21) ghostscript xmlto netpbm libxml |
| 05:03.00 | somiaj | belak: did you run 'apt-get build-dep gst-plugins-base0.10' first? |
| 05:03.24 | Some_Person | Huh, gparted also has a tool to scan for filesystems. I think I'll try that |
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| 05:03.57 | iateadonut | every time i log into my debian server using ssh, my ip address gets put on deny.hosts |
| 05:04.05 | iateadonut | any idea why this could be? |
| 05:04.17 | belak | somiaj: E: Build-Depends dependency for gst-plugins-base0.10 cannot be satisfied because no available versions of package libgstreamer0.10-dev can satisfy version requirements |
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| 05:04.39 | Rusty1 | Some_Person: i might look at hirens bootcd |
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| 05:04.51 | belak | somiaj: E: Build-Depends dependency for gstreamer0.10 cannot be satisfied because no available versions of package libgirepository1.0-dev can satisfy version requirements |
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| 05:06.16 | belak | So, I'd need to rebuild libgirepository... and all of gstreamer I need (which would include all the plugins), and then I could install the package I needed? |
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| 05:06.26 | iateadonut | no wait. i get on hosts.deny when i connect with two connections at once (of the same username, though i haven't tested with any other username) |
| 05:06.57 | somiaj | belak: yea you could chase the depends around and see if you could statisfy things. |
| 05:07.21 | belak | I'd rather not spend 5-7 hours for a single dep... |
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| 05:08.03 | belak | I could update to testing, help test for debian, and get it to work with (in theory) minimal problems... though there's probably something I'm overlooking |
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| 05:08.25 | somiaj | belak: you coudl run into binary dependency problem loops you have to manually fix |
| 05:08.41 | somiaj | belak: ok, you don't need this for anything major (such as your desktop env) |
| 05:08.48 | belak | Correct |
| 05:08.50 | somiaj | belak: this was just for some console scripts to help with data? |
| 05:08.59 | belak | Well... |
| 05:09.16 | belak | It's part of a rather large application I'm a good portion through writing |
| 05:09.27 | somiaj | belak: because you could do that other suggestion I had. use debootstrap to build a wheezy chroot |
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| 05:09.44 | somiaj | belak: inside the chroot you will be a wheezy system, have wheeyz libs and packages you can install/uninstall |
| 05:09.53 | belak | would it be possible to run a single command inside the chroot? |
| 05:09.57 | somiaj | belak: you can then do your developement inside the chroot |
| 05:10.31 | somiaj | oh it is possible to run lots of commands, it is getting teh chroot to talk to your xorg server and run GUI applications that can be a little bit of work. |
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| 05:12.18 | belak | It's for a web application... |
| 05:12.41 | somiaj | you could run a webserver from inside the chroot |
| 05:14.04 | somiaj | belak: again many people run testing just fine, just if (and when) it breaks you should know debian well enough to navagate around and fix any issues. Also no security/bug fixing (it takes a while for fixes to propage though unstable). So this is bad juju for a server. |
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| 05:30.45 | avallark | guys, quick question about the hardware you run debian on. I recently put debian on a VMware on a mac. Do we have comparable hardware available .. that of mac? |
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| 05:35.58 | vbrummond | avallark: not exactly sure what you mean. Do you mean can you install debian on a intel mac? |
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| 05:36.43 | avallark | vbrummond: no was just asking if you guys could recommend some laptop comparable in conf to a macbook pro. |
| 05:37.09 | avallark | i heard the hp envy series is good, any thoughtS? |
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| 05:37.46 | avallark | on the mac i am running it in vmware, so i do not really have any driver issues |
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| 05:44.04 | sami | hi to you all |
| 05:44.37 | sami | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:45.20 | nsadmin | the shell is pretty good at that |
| 05:45.31 | nsadmin | launching |
| 05:45.32 | sami | my question is how to write at the end of an x line in a given file? |
| 05:46.20 | nsadmin | you can probably use some combination of head, tail, echo... or sed |
| 05:46.25 | nsadmin | or perl |
| 05:46.33 | nsadmin | lots of choices |
| 05:46.48 | nsadmin | you could do it with ed |
| 05:47.48 | zykotick9 | sami: for basic shell redirect you can use >> to append to the end of a file |
| 05:48.12 | sami | i use grep to find a line statrin with "hello"(i.e.) how to add world to have hello world |
| 05:48.23 | nsadmin | he wants to append to a specific line in a file |
| 05:48.33 | sami | yes |
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| 05:51.14 | sami | nsadmin which combination to use |
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| 05:54.53 | endafy | alrighty I have gotten my feet wet in Linux and I want to dive in with a real distro like Debian, where do I start? Do I need every single iso? |
| 05:55.23 | endafy | Can I just download CD1.iso and have a working desktop paradigm and click install and get what I need later? |
| 05:55.30 | LtL | endafy: CD1 .iso is all you need. yes |
| 05:55.35 | endafy | thanks :) |
| 05:56.00 | LtL | endafy: welcome |
| 05:56.19 | lstarnes | actually you could just use a netinstall or businesscard iso |
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| 05:56.30 | avallark | endafy: when you install select just "Desktop" in the options. You will know it when you see the option, later on at "Package selection" |
| 05:56.42 | endafy | right |
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| 05:57.10 | endafy | so debian-update or debian from stable mirror? which is best or does it matter |
| 05:57.11 | avallark | endafy: get the full CD1 iso, i do not think you are ready to do a netinstall or businesscard iso images yet |
| 05:57.26 | avallark | you usually keep both right? |
| 05:57.46 | endafy | no no I reinstalled Ubuntu to get Debian ISO after I messed around with a bunch of other odd distros |
| 05:58.04 | endafy | im sure I need a full OS iso |
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| 05:59.09 | endafy | I seem to keep coming back to Ubuntu for the apt and deb style of things and I am sick of trying to fix Ubuntu related issues |
| 05:59.33 | endafy | at least if I mess up this is my fault |
| 06:00.25 | endafy | alright cool thanks :) |
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| 06:00.59 | endafy | ill be back in a day or so if I cant figure it out but I am sure I understand the Linux kernel and apt-get enough and config files and drivers enough to get myself up |
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| 06:20.51 | Zillow | how can I use a version of perl in my home directory instead of the system version? |
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| 06:22.08 | sami | please how to write at the end of an x line in a given file? |
| 06:22.27 | sami | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:24.07 | nsadmin | so, you want to alter a file whose name is in $1 |
| 06:24.33 | nsadmin | to look for the lines in the file that contain Jean, |
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| 06:25.02 | nsadmin | and in those lines replace "John" with "Marc" |
| 06:25.07 | nsadmin | yes? |
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| 06:28.21 | sami | nsedmin yes |
| 06:29.14 | sami | nsadmin yes |
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| 06:36.18 | nsadmin | sed will do part of what you want |
| 06:37.00 | sami | which instructions are missing? |
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| 06:38.03 | nsadmin | it sends the output to stdout |
| 06:38.07 | nkuttler | Zillow: you can re-arrange your PATH.. but try #perl, there might be better solutions |
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| 06:38.26 | nkuttler | Zillow: see also man perl. maybe another env var can do |
| 06:38.40 | nkuttler | hrm... noes.. doubtful |
| 06:38.44 | Zillow | could I affect only the path for my user? |
| 06:38.49 | nsadmin | perldoc perlvar? |
| 06:38.58 | sami | nsadmin how to alter? |
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| 06:39.17 | nkuttler | Zillow: sure you could |
| 06:39.20 | Zillow | this question is an OS question i think |
| 06:39.28 | Zillow | cool |
| 06:40.04 | nsadmin | sami (BACK UP FIRST) you could try cat $1 | sed (your arguments here) > $1 |
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| 06:41.06 | Zillow | plus I already asked #perl and they didn't want to answer |
| 06:41.13 | sami | it will erase the hole file right? |
| 06:41.28 | nsadmin | right. how would you solve that? |
| 06:41.55 | sami | that's what i'm looking for |
| 06:42.28 | nsadmin | think about it while I pop some popcorn |
| 06:42.54 | nsadmin | what;s the simplest way? |
| 06:43.18 | sami | to rewrite the hole file each time? |
| 06:44.01 | nsadmin | still popping. |
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| 06:46.05 | sami | here is a file http://pastebin.com/Tv00HwnL |
| 06:47.10 | sami | my goal is to have this one http://pastebin.com/CYm7cFfi |
| 06:47.27 | sami | by modifying the second line |
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| 06:49.39 | stickyboy | I'm trying to do a PXE boot of Squeeze and the installer keeps telling me (on VT4) that the mirror is broken. |
| 06:50.00 | stickyboy | Err, sorry. irrsi acting strange. |
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| 06:54.05 | ronin___ | Hi all, when i want copy a file I've got this error "cp: omitting directory `cache/' ", does have you any suggestion? |
| 06:54.58 | nsadmin | sami, my question to you is unchanged. It can be abbreviated as, why does this not work: cat foo > foo |
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| 06:56.51 | sami | because the output must be different |
| 06:57.09 | nsadmin | why? what happens otherwise? |
| 06:57.24 | sami | nothing is done |
| 06:57.32 | sami | no action |
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| 06:58.14 | nsadmin | give it a try with a copy of your file |
| 06:58.31 | nsadmin | (don't use the original) |
| 06:59.29 | sami | ok |
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| 07:00.14 | Pancakez | ronin___: to copy directories with cp, you need to use the -r option |
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| 07:00.31 | Pancakez | ronin___: see "man cp" |
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| 07:01.19 | ploo | can unstable be used as a rolling repo? |
| 07:01.24 | Bateau | I am on debian testing, recently did a large round of updates, got gnome3, etc. but I lost the nvidia cuda support I had |
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| 07:01.58 | Bateau | I am having no luck trying to manually install nvidia\s driver, just get a sigterm when in recorvy mode, and I can\t get gdm3, etc. to stop normally so that I could do it in a normal boot |
| 07:02.03 | nsadmin | ploo, unstable is available but is never "released" |
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| 07:02.27 | Bateau | I specifically need CUDA support, which appears missing from the 290 driver in the repo. |
| 07:02.36 | Bateau | any ideas? |
| 07:03.24 | ploo | nsadmin, but you can use it as a roller right? |
| 07:03.29 | ploo | or some do? |
| 07:03.58 | nsadmin | I suppose... not recommended since it's... well... unstable |
| 07:04.52 | nsadmin | which additionally implies that packages are allowed to break |
| 07:04.56 | Bateau | sorry, wheey, not testing (unless those are equivelent) |
| 07:06.03 | sami | nsadmin this script http://pastebin.com/FR24d5su ccrete a new empty file |
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| 07:07.45 | nsadmin | sami, my question to you is unchanged. It can be abbreviated as, why does this not work: cat foo > foo |
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| 07:08.05 | trysten | that doesn't work? |
| 07:08.11 | trysten | damn |
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| 07:09.02 | sami | nsadmin my input file is test. txt and the output one testFile |
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| 07:10.06 | dshbusiness | Hi, I were not sure if I can post my questions about python here. But I really wish somebody can help me. My question is about python. I start a new process in my python script, with subprocess.Popen(). But there are two things. First, how can I konw the child process has been start up? Second, when I send signal to the child process make it terminated, how can I get a signal when the child process has truly been shutdown? Thanks. |
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| 07:10.26 | ploo | nsadmin, well is testing better for the latest packages? |
| 07:10.34 | LordBrain | I have sound but no volume control, at least not from the gnome applet. it popped a message up a moment ago saying something about gstreamer, but i have gstreamer installed, and the message isnt popping up any more. |
| 07:10.35 | nsadmin | sami, in your script, is the input file the same as the output file? |
| 07:10.43 | dshbusiness | If you find it is not a proper question for #debian, just ignore it. Thanks. |
| 07:11.01 | sami | nope |
| 07:11.08 | nsadmin | ploo, depends on how much testing you want done on the software you get from debian repos |
| 07:11.33 | nsadmin | sami, in my script, is the input file the same as the output file? |
| 07:11.43 | LordBrain | this is on a relatively recent install of squeeze |
| 07:12.04 | sami | foo > foo |
| 07:12.30 | nsadmin | well, |
| 07:12.34 | nsadmin | cat foo > foo |
| 07:12.48 | sami | foo and foo |
| 07:12.53 | nsadmin | input file and output file the same? |
| 07:13.50 | sami | ? |
| 07:13.51 | sami | foo is diferent to foo |
| 07:14.08 | nsadmin | in what way? |
| 07:14.17 | sami | no way |
| 07:14.25 | nsadmin | are the names the same? |
| 07:14.34 | sami | yes |
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| 07:15.23 | nsadmin | if you copy test.txt to foo, will the content be the same? |
| 07:16.06 | sami | yes |
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| 07:16.41 | nsadmin | ok, so, do that, so we can have a copy we can do anything to without disturbing the origina |
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| 07:17.26 | nsadmin | have you done that? |
| 07:17.46 | sami | #!/bin/bash old=`grep "^tuesday" $1` echo $old l=`echo "$old, Wednesday"` echo $old $l | sed 's/,/,/' > testFile |
| 07:17.57 | nsadmin | not commenting on that code. at all. |
| 07:18.23 | sami | sorry? |
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| 07:20.50 | nsadmin | I was trying to make a specific point, which at that time was my only interest... could have helped you to understand something that maybe you could have used |
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| 07:21.49 | sami | sorry as didn't got the point |
| 07:21.53 | nsadmin | but because you didn't respond, it took more time than I have to offer you |
| 07:22.08 | nsadmin | and the point is still not made |
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| 07:24.00 | sami | namely what is the point please |
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| 07:25.36 | nsadmin | if you first copy test.txt to foo, and then you run cat foo > foo |
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| 07:25.55 | nsadmin | is foo and test.txt still the same? |
| 07:26.03 | nsadmin | try it before you answer |
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| 07:27.47 | sami | cat user.txt > ue returns the same file |
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| 07:28.42 | factotum | me thinks file extensions are not what they may seem in these parts |
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| 07:29.08 | factotum | sorry, playing along with cat and copy. learning somethign |
| 07:29.55 | nsadmin | Marshall Sylver once said, the most effective communicators take full 100% responsibility for BOTH sides of a communication. Must have done him some good... he's a multibillionaire |
| 07:30.09 | sami | in terms of extension ? or in terms of their contents |
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| 07:31.41 | nsadmin | no problem... and, in the case of sami, every (yes that's EVERY) time I write a command, it comes back different |
| 07:32.10 | nsadmin | hence, I detect some kind of communication issue... I'm not quite sure what's going on... |
| 07:33.08 | _monaster_ | fuck them |
| 07:33.14 | nsadmin | as long as that happens there is no reasonable way of making sure any possible point can be communicated |
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| 07:33.57 | sami | nsadmin soory once more |
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| 07:34.28 | LordBrain | my software volume controls are not working... i have the little applet in gnome, but it doesn't allow me to change the volume, and alsamixer says "invalid argument"... |
| 07:34.48 | LordBrain | this is on a fairly fresh and clean squeeze |
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| 07:35.31 | nsadmin | see if alsamixer works |
| 07:35.36 | aeolist | It seems I'm having problems with the new glib in testing, this is the start of my xsession-errors: http://pastebin.com/gnivfzB7 Glib doesn't read svg and xpm files. Any ideas? |
| 07:36.08 | factotum | i'm thinking that it has..for lack of a better explaination, no comprehension of file extensions like other systems might. They can be named to anything, but the content somehow determines what can be done with it somehow...I think? |
| 07:36.09 | boudiccas | LordBrain; so this is what is happening, you're speaker applet is not showing in the top right bar of your gnome? |
| 07:36.59 | LordBrain | well there is something tehre in the top right corner actually, and it seems to be some sort of audio related applet |
| 07:37.09 | zykotick9 | factotum: to see what gnu/linux sees a file as, use "file foo" |
| 07:37.52 | boudiccas | LordBrain; then right click it and open volume control |
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| 07:38.14 | LordBrain | boudiccas, so it doesnt look much like a "speaker" to me... this icon, but the menu include volume control |
| 07:38.53 | sephii | backuppc is not starting at boot, I'm forced to do so manually, any idea why? There are init scripts in /etc/rc*.d/ |
| 07:39.28 | LordBrain | boudiccas, ok, but this window doesnt let me change volume... it just gives me the option of theme, "no sounds" or "default" |
| 07:39.52 | boudiccas | LordBrain; have you opened volume control? |
| 07:40.06 | LordBrain | yes |
| 07:40.30 | LordBrain | It doesn't give me a volume control tho |
| 07:40.33 | factotum | zykotick9: thanks, very helpful! |
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| 07:40.45 | boudiccas | LordBrain; then you cna adjust the sliders for speakers, pc speaker , etc |
| 07:40.55 | LordBrain | boudiccas, it once said something about gstreamer and so forth, but i cant get that message to reappear |
| 07:41.02 | LordBrain | no... there are no sliders given |
| 07:41.45 | LordBrain | the title reads "Volume Control: HD-Audio Generic (Alsa mixer) |
| 07:42.25 | LordBrain | the alsamixer program in the terminal doesn't work either |
| 07:42.34 | boudiccas | LordBrain; is that the sameas your sound card? |
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| 07:43.00 | LordBrain | well lspci reports multiple audio devices |
| 07:43.21 | LordBrain | but i seem to have the modules for both of them, according to judd |
| 07:43.36 | LordBrain | And, I do hear sound, i just cant control volume.. |
| 07:43.43 | nsadmin | take a look at cat /proc/asound/cards |
| 07:44.03 | nsadmin | specifically which card is the default (aka card0) |
| 07:44.41 | LordBrain | HDA Intel PCH |
| 07:44.54 | LordBrain | HD-Audio Generic is listed as card 1 |
| 07:45.11 | nsadmin | do you know which physical card that is? is it the one you want as default? |
| 07:45.18 | boudiccas | LordBrain; in a terminal window, open .........gnome-control-center .......... and see if your sound card is listed in the sound subsection of hardware |
| 07:45.28 | LordBrain | i actually dont know that yet nsadmin |
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| 07:46.06 | streuner__ | LordBrain: whats the pciid of the sound card, btw? |
| 07:46.17 | nsadmin | how many cards are listed in cards? |
| 07:47.12 | LordBrain | nsadmin, /proc/asound/cards listed those 2, card 0 and 1 |
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| 07:47.38 | miladraisi | HI |
| 07:47.41 | Macer | can someone try to help me figure out why sshfs and sftp seem to not use umasking properly? |
| 07:47.42 | streuner | LordBrain: so you are using 2 soundcards, on the mobo and another one? |
| 07:47.44 | nsadmin | oh, ok... could you take a look at man alsamixer and see how to select which card it's controlling? |
| 07:47.46 | Macer | i have looked everywhere |
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| 07:48.07 | Macer | and setting the umask with -o umask=UMASK doesn't seem to work as well |
| 07:48.11 | LordBrain | streuner, could it be there is a sound card built into my ati video card? |
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| 07:48.24 | Macer | i have both sides set at 0022 and the sshfs mount seems to ALWAYS use 0077 |
| 07:48.44 | streuner | LordBrain: i have never heard of such thing, but everything is possible :-) |
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| 07:49.05 | streuner | for example USB soundcards :-) |
| 07:49.10 | boudiccas | LordBrain; its more likely that you have a sound chip on your mobo |
| 07:49.16 | streuner | yeah |
| 07:49.49 | LordBrain | streuner, i have an audio jack on the top of the machine, plus 6 3.5 mm jacks in the back |
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| 07:50.30 | LordBrain | well one on the mother board, but when i opened the case the other day i only saw one pci card |
| 07:50.38 | LordBrain | and it was the video |
| 07:50.43 | LordBrain | maybe i missed something |
| 07:50.47 | boudiccas | LordBrain; so it may be playing sound but you've got your speakers plugged into teh wrong socket then? |
| 07:50.58 | LordBrain | i wasnt actually looking for sound cards |
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| 07:51.18 | LordBrain | boudiccas, no... i hear sound! the problem is getting it so i can adjust the volume |
| 07:51.54 | LordBrain | i have a headset plugged into the top of hte machine |
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| 07:52.08 | streuner | LordBrain: what about aumix? |
| 07:52.19 | jelly-home | LordBrain: Re: " sound card built into my ati video card " -- that's exactly what the HDMI sound output looks like |
| 07:52.30 | streuner | hm |
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| 07:52.55 | LordBrain | streuner, I tried alsamixer, aumixer isnt installed |
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| 07:53.10 | LordBrain | alsa mixer gave me a mysterious error, it said invalid argument |
| 07:53.19 | streuner | judd, info aumix |
| 07:53.20 | judd | Package aumix (sound, extra) in squeeze/i386: Simple text-based mixer control program. Version: 2.9.1-1; Size: 69.7k; Installed: 396k; Homepage: http://www.jpj.net/~trevor/aumix.html; Screenshot: http://screenshots.debian.net/package/aumix |
| 07:53.34 | nsadmin | LordBrain, reason I asked you to look at man alsamixer, is I'd like to see what happens when you run alsamixer on card1 |
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| 07:53.51 | LordBrain | oh ok |
| 07:53.54 | jelly-home | aumix is outdated, works on OSS devices. alsamixer ought to work |
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| 07:54.23 | nsadmin | (and also, you said alsamixer "doesn't work"; could you say more and give more specifics about that?) |
| 07:54.24 | streuner | well, aumix worked for me, but never for OSS4 :-) |
| 07:54.36 | streuner | sadly, but true |
| 07:55.29 | streuner | would love it to use aumix for OSS4, because OSS4 is a bitch for using mixer in a cli... |
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| 07:55.38 | LordBrain | alsamixer -c 0 reports "cannot load mixer controls: Invalid argument" and quits |
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| 07:55.49 | LordBrain | as does alsamixer without an argument |
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| 07:56.29 | LordBrain | alsamixer -c 1 actually opens the ncurses interface, but it only has one control in there and only lets me mute it or unmute it, "S/PDIF" |
| 07:56.33 | superlinux-hp | hi always get "website blah takes too long to respond" and i have freebsd on a vmware, and i have no troubles whatsoever |
| 07:57.08 | boudiccas | superlinux-hp; so? |
| 07:57.08 | superlinux-hp | i shut down the vmware and all its modules, the problem is still there. |
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| 07:57.28 | superlinux-hp | i donno what to do |
| 07:57.43 | superlinux-hp | if i reboot everything goes normal |
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| 07:58.30 | boudiccas | superlinux-hp; define 'normal' please? |
| 07:58.50 | belak | What's the best way to get tag info from a file? |
| 07:59.28 | belak | Oops |
| 07:59.34 | belak | Wrong channel... sorry |
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| 08:11.20 | LordBrain | http://paste.debian.net/156449/ |
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| 08:12.16 | goddard | how can i search for a package? |
| 08:12.37 | LordBrain | in the command line use apt-cache search |
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| 08:12.52 | goddard | oh nice |
| 08:12.59 | LordBrain | if you prefer you can use a gui package manager too |
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| 08:13.28 | goddard | command line is good thanks |
| 08:15.28 | LordBrain | streuner, nsadmin, jelly .. Thanks for the help so far, any more ideas? |
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| 08:15.58 | LordBrain | that paste above shows the output of some of my commands |
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| 08:17.27 | goddard | jelly ? |
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| 08:17.50 | goddard | oh |
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| 08:19.00 | boudiccas | LordBrain; have you tried plugging your speakers/headset into another socket? it may work |
| 08:20.07 | LordBrain | boudiccas, no, but .. I am actually missing the ui to control the sound.. I guess i could do it |
| 08:20.52 | LordBrain | would green be proper color? |
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| 08:21.32 | boudiccas | LordBrain; no idea, start playing some music and experiment with various differing sockets |
| 08:22.10 | LordBrain | hmm |
| 08:22.26 | LordBrain | green worked, but still no volume controls, at least not globally |
| 08:22.34 | LordBrain | i did find a slider inside my media player |
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| 08:23.48 | LordBrain | this application level volume control works either when i plug in on the top or in the back.. |
| 08:23.49 | skilz | Any Gmail client like there is Mozilla Thunderbird? |
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| 08:24.15 | golberg | ciao a tutti |
| 08:24.18 | golberg | !list |
| 08:24.18 | dpkg | golberg: È possibile di scaricare un sacco di software libero puntando il tuo browser a http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-6.0.4-amd64-i386-netinst.iso ! |
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| 08:25.18 | prem | hi |
| 08:25.23 | boudiccas | LordBrain; have you looked at gnome-control-center and the sound section in hte hardware section? |
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| 08:25.54 | LordBrain | boudiccas, all it does is let me open that same volume control gui that doesnt worok |
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| 08:26.18 | ksuhku | LordBrain, have you tried alsamixer? |
| 08:26.23 | LordBrain | yes |
| 08:26.23 | prem | am trying to configure ltsp server in squeeze.,i did setup a dhcp and tftp servers., |
| 08:26.34 | LordBrain | alsa mixer reports strange error message |
| 08:26.40 | LordBrain | "invalid argument" |
| 08:26.44 | prem | the pxe client fetches ip address from dhcp but the tftp image its not accessing |
| 08:26.45 | LordBrain | even when no argument is given |
| 08:26.51 | prem | its exiting with "timeout" |
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| 08:27.25 | LordBrain | ksuhku, http://paste.debian.net/156449/ |
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| 08:28.01 | boudiccas | LordBrain; does gnome-control-center work when you';re plugged into the green socket instead of the top socket? |
| 08:28.20 | _abc_ | How does one create a copy of a printer, with different options, in cups? I used to be able to do that in cups 1.3 and now in 1.4 I can't? |
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| 08:28.33 | LordBrain | boudiccas, nope, no affect |
| 08:28.47 | prem | !ltsp |
| 08:28.47 | dpkg | hmm... ltsp is the Linux Terminal Server Project. http://wiki.debian.org/LTSP http://www.ltsp.org/ #ltsp on irc.freenode.net. |
| 08:28.51 | _abc_ | I have a working printer set for high quality and I want to configure a second one with draft settings, I mean, new settings for the same printer |
| 08:28.53 | nsadmin | invalid argument is a general message given when a lib call or sys call receives a parameter that's either out of range or not in the set of valid arguments |
| 08:28.55 | prem | !tftp |
| 08:28.55 | dpkg | Trivial File Transer Protocol (TFTP) is an insecure protocol without authentication, designed for transferring small files to diskless clients. To establish a TFTP server on Squeeze and later releases, "aptitude install tftpd-hpa" and place content to be served in /srv/tftp. |
| 08:30.12 | ksuhku | LordBrain, does amixer tell you anything? |
| 08:30.53 | LordBrain | ksuhku, http://paste.debian.net/156449/ |
| 08:30.59 | LordBrain | oh |
| 08:31.09 | LordBrain | you mean a seprate program |
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| 08:31.19 | ksuhku | yea |
| 08:31.25 | LordBrain | amixer: Mixer default load error: Invalid argument |
| 08:31.52 | boudiccas | LordBrain; sounds like your sound capabilities are screwed up |
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| 08:32.32 | LordBrain | well, hmmm |
| 08:32.33 | ksuhku | LordBrain, do you have hardware switches for volume? Fn+F8 or something |
| 08:32.36 | LordBrain | it is working |
| 08:32.58 | LordBrain | i mean i hear sound, and i can even adjust the volume on an application basis using the sliders that the application gives me. |
| 08:33.49 | LordBrain | i'm not familiar with that ksuhku, i did see something about switches in the preferences of the gnome volume control window |
| 08:34.09 | LordBrain | oooooh |
| 08:34.16 | LordBrain | i understand you |
| 08:34.20 | LordBrain | you mean like on the keyboard |
| 08:34.24 | ksuhku | yea |
| 08:34.26 | LordBrain | this is a desktop |
| 08:34.41 | LordBrain | the keyboard didnt come with it |
| 08:34.43 | LordBrain | :) |
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| 08:34.52 | LordBrain | just some generic dell keyboard |
| 08:35.11 | LordBrain | maybe it did come with it, i cant remember now if i used the one that it came with or one i had laying around |
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| 08:38.21 | ksuhku | LordBrain, lets try this: apt-get install xdotool |
| 08:38.32 | LordBrain | ok |
| 08:38.40 | ksuhku | LordBrain, and then xdotool key XF86AudioRaiseVolume |
| 08:38.55 | ksuhku | you might want to do that a few times |
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| 08:41.22 | LordBrain | it seg faults |
| 08:41.28 | ksuhku | dang! |
| 08:41.34 | KristianDK | If i boot a bare debian, let say from a live cd, on a system that have a raid - will it auto detect it and create mdx devices in /dev ? |
| 08:41.58 | ksuhku | LordBrain, what's your uname -r ? |
| 08:42.14 | LordBrain | 2.6.32-5-amd64 |
| 08:42.36 | skilz | Is there any Linux for kids that my 1 year old daughter can learn? |
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| 08:42.44 | ronin___ | Hi all, I want install xilinx in my machine with dvd. I installed that without any problem in ubuntu desktop! but in debian I've got error!!! |
| 08:42.48 | ksuhku | LordBrain, maybe try a newer kernel? e.g. from http://backports-master.debian.org/ |
| 08:43.16 | ronin___ | I need just to run sh xsetup, but I got this error "xsetup: 32: ./bin/lin/xsetup: Permission denied" |
| 08:43.25 | ksuhku | skilz, perhap gcompris? |
| 08:44.35 | skilz | I was looking at the Debian Jr. Project |
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| 08:45.04 | boudiccas | LordBrain; whats your .... cat /etc/debian_version .......... please? |
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| 08:46.20 | LordBrain | 6.0.4 |
| 08:46.55 | guardian | hi, if i want to do a full backup restorable to bare metal (using tar, duplicity or rdiff-backup for instance), which paths should I exclude? |
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| 08:47.15 | guardian | i excluded /mnt /media /proc /sys /var/cache /tmp, anything else? |
| 08:47.35 | guardian | i think i remembered something about excluding some paths related to udev but can't find it anymore |
| 08:47.44 | ronin___ | DOes have you any suggestion? for "xsetup: 32: ./bin/lin/xsetup: Permission denied" |
| 08:48.23 | boudiccas | ronin___; have you tried prefacing the command with sudo? |
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| 08:50.24 | ronin___ | boudiccas: with sudo I got "xsetup: line 25: ./bin/lin/xsetup: Permission denied" |
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| 08:52.06 | boudiccas | ronin___; then try changing to .....su ......... and rerunning the command when you're root |
| 08:52.50 | ronin___ | boudiccas: same error |
| 08:53.34 | boudiccas | ronin___; in which case it sounds like a program error. what does line 25 show? any obvious errors? |
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| 08:54.19 | boudiccas | ronin___; is there any alternative program to this 'xsetup'? |
| 08:54.31 | sephii | ronin___: check the chmod of the bin/lin/xsetup script if it has x permissions |
| 08:54.36 | ronin___ | boudiccas: no! :( |
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| 08:56.16 | ronin___ | sephii: It's cd! |
| 08:56.21 | ronin___ | sephii: It's a cd! |
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| 08:57.17 | sephii | ronin___: and what does a "ls -l ./bin/lin/xsetup" say? |
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| 08:57.56 | ronin___ | sephii: -r-xr-xr-x 1 4294967295 4294967295 17576 Feb 3 2011 ./bin/lin/xsetup |
| 08:58.33 | ggherdov | hi all. I want to add the user foobar, but the group foobar already exists (and adduser complains and returns 1). what can I do? |
| 08:59.53 | sephii | ggherdov: what about the --ingroup flag? |
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| 09:00.23 | sephii | ronin___: and if you try to execute it manually, like so: "./bin/lix/xsetup"? |
| 09:00.44 | ggherdov | sephii: ok, something like 'adduser foobar --ingroup foobarxx' |
| 09:01.00 | sephii | ggherdov: you want your foobar user to be member of the group foobar right? |
| 09:01.02 | ggherdov | just to have gid different from uid |
| 09:01.08 | ggherdov | oh yes |
| 09:01.11 | ronin___ | sephii: NO, same error! :( |
| 09:01.22 | sephii | ggherdov: so try adduser --ingroup foobar foobar |
| 09:01.30 | ggherdov | sephii: thx |
| 09:01.37 | sephii | ronin___: what's the first line of that file? |
| 09:02.04 | boudiccas | ronin___; is there a more uptodate version of that program, after all, its now a year old? |
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| 09:02.50 | ronin___ | boudiccas: It's the latest version! |
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| 09:03.16 | ronin___ | sephii: I can't open the file with gedit or other word processor! |
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| 09:03.41 | ronin___ | sephii: I try to copy the DVD into my /opt and then try to install. |
| 09:03.51 | ronin___ | thx guys, for your help |
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| 09:04.49 | boudiccas | ronin___; i'm not a guy, we do have females using debian you know! |
| 09:05.32 | ronin___ | boudiccas: sorry, and I'm so happy in this field. It will not happen again, lady. |
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| 09:07.30 | rical_ | is it possible to have a space in a hostname? |
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| 09:07.43 | nsadmin | boudiccas, I hear you saying (between the lines) you want a thankyou too |
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| 09:08.16 | boudiccas | nsadmin; no, hadnt thought that far :) |
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| 09:08.42 | nsadmin | jhmm, what's one step back... |
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| 09:08.57 | nsadmin | you noticed the thank you and that it didn't include you |
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| 09:11.29 | boudiccas | nsadmin; yes i did notice it but wasnt really bothjered. i just don't like being called a "guy"! |
| 09:11.37 | boudiccas | bothered |
| 09:12.05 | nsadmin | ahh, got it |
| 09:12.41 | boudiccas | nsadmin; here in the UK, males are guys, so to call a female a guy is an insult |
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| 09:14.57 | nsadmin | understood :) curious, what was your experience at ?:03 when the comment was posted? |
| 09:15.51 | boudiccas | nsadmin; sorry, i dont understand the question |
| 09:16.29 | nsadmin | ok, |
| 09:17.03 | nsadmin | first off would you like to join #debian-offtopic? |
| 09:17.17 | boudiccas | nsadmin; i'm already there |
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| 09:31.22 | Snake1 | Hello, i have recently installed an mail server on a home machine running Debian 6 with postfix + Citadel. |
| 09:31.49 | Snake1 | the problem now is that i dont really know how to forward mails that are incoming from /var/spool/mail/user so citadel web gui can browse and see the content |
| 09:32.04 | Snake1 | anyone have a clue how to forward that in an efficient way on my local machine? |
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| 10:01.20 | syn4pse- | morning |
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| 10:07.31 | DarkStar1 | Does anyone have anyi idea why the aliases aren't processed from the .bash_aliases file? |
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| 10:08.37 | BenNZ | DarkStar1: you can add them to ~.bashrc |
| 10:09.06 | simonlnu | DarkStar1: are you sourcing it from somewhere? |
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| 10:09.26 | DarkStar1 | nah I created the file and added the aliases my self |
| 10:09.28 | babilen | BenNZ: Do you source you ~/.bash_aliases file in your ~/.bashrc ? |
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| 10:09.34 | DarkStar1 | and they're in my home folder |
| 10:09.50 | simonlnu | just because they're in ~/. doesn't mean they'll get used |
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| 10:10.02 | DarkStar1 | Oh source!! :) no |
| 10:10.03 | simonlnu | s/./,/ |
| 10:10.10 | DarkStar1 | I don't source them |
| 10:10.13 | babilen | BenNZ: Something like http://paste.debian.net/156456/ -- That file is not read by default. (cf. "man bash") |
| 10:10.37 | BenNZ | babilen: yes |
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| 10:10.58 | BenNZ | babilen: but i do run source .bashrc if i change them , so i can use them in that session |
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| 10:13.32 | BenNZ | babilen: it gets called in .profile , which here http://paste.debian.net/156459/ |
| 10:13.49 | BenNZ | babilen: is that the wrong way of doing it? |
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| 10:17.34 | babilen | BenNZ: I don't see any code that sources ~/.bash_aliases in there. So, place the snippet I pasted in your ~/.bashrc and be happy |
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| 10:19.05 | BenNZ | babilen: i dont have a bash_aliases file , just .bashrc |
| 10:19.44 | BenNZ | babilen: do i really need one? |
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| 10:21.44 | babilen | BenNZ: No, but I personally like to have them in a separate file. That is rather a matter of style than necessity though. |
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| 10:22.15 | lancelot_of | hi there |
| 10:22.24 | BenNZ | babilen: ok i got ya , had me worried for a min , yeah i prob could |
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| 10:23.26 | babilen | BenNZ: Don't worry (I also have .bash_env and .bash_functions) |
| 10:24.29 | BenNZ | babilen: ok , what do you have them for? |
| 10:24.40 | BenNZ | babilen: sorry just being nosy |
| 10:25.05 | babilen | BenNZ: .bash_functions for (surprise!) locally defined functions and .bash_env for (surprise) environmen variables |
| 10:25.11 | babilen | *environment |
| 10:25.18 | simonlnu | i'm surprised! |
| 10:25.33 | simonlnu | :P |
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| 10:25.59 | BenNZ | babilen: fair enough , lol , ask a stupid question i suppose |
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| 10:26.49 | simonlnu | babilen: you surprise me, you know |
| 10:27.01 | babilen | simonlnu: Why? |
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| 10:27.20 | simonlnu | babilen: i'm j/k you :) |
| 10:27.44 | simonlnu | you may now lart me at will ;) |
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| 10:30.27 | lancelot_of | Some issues on my newly installed debian testing system. 1) Kernel 3.* make my cpu hottest of more then 10°C respect to 2.6.39, the latter image being unreacheble in Debian repos. It worked fine and so i'm not able to re-install it (I've changed HD). 2) Sometimes halt and shutdown -h now do not really shutdown the system, but reboot it. How to fix? 3)Sometimes when i open new tabs in terminals, machine hostname changes, dunno why, and i m |
| 10:30.27 | lancelot_of | ust /etc/init.d/hostname stop/start to recover it, how to fix? |
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| 10:32.32 | BenNZ | lancelot_of: a possible fix to 2) , remove kexec-tools |
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| 10:34.20 | babilen | lancelot_of: Installed from the live image? |
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| 10:34.50 | lancelot_of | BenNZ, i've no kexec-tools installed on my system |
| 10:35.16 | lancelot_of | babilen, no installed from Debian Testing DVD1 (burned to USB stick) |
| 10:35.19 | BenNZ | lancelot_of: ok that happened to me once and that was the fix |
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| 10:36.08 | babilen | lancelot_of: fwiw I'd like to point out that this is not the recommended way to install testing. (that being: use the stable *installer* and (preferably) install stable with it) |
| 10:37.26 | lancelot_of | babilen, but now i'd not like to re-install the system... :/ |
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| 10:38.13 | lancelot_of | babilen, anyway i'll bear in mind your suggestion for future tasks |
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| 10:42.27 | lancelot_of | anyway now my troubles are the listed ones. is it possible to solve them? |
| 10:42.56 | bbbb | is it safe to cp -r a debootstrap? |
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| 10:49.02 | jacobw | hi |
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| 10:50.23 | skilz | Any good program for trading forex? |
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| 10:52.03 | technologov | hi ! is mesa3D necessary for 3D ? Is there any good explanation of how the Linux graphics stack is working ? |
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| 10:53.16 | boudiccas | skilz; what is 'trading forex' please? |
| 10:53.21 | jacobw | i'm using debconf-set-selections to apply a set of debconf options to n hosts |
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| 10:53.47 | jacobw | i want to find out what debconf options are available for each package |
| 10:54.15 | technologov | boudiccas, is not related to Open-Source at all. If you want, lets talk private |
| 10:54.22 | jacobw | is this determined by the package? |
| 10:54.39 | skilz | boudiccas, Foreign exchange market trading |
| 10:54.52 | boudiccas | technologov; lets take it to #debain-offtopic |
| 10:54.57 | technologov | ok |
| 10:56.14 | boudiccas | #debian-offtopic even! |
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| 10:56.26 | MrWax | Hi, I'm looking for a cheap SSH VPS Server (only to be used for irssi and optionally some other small storage stuff |
| 10:56.35 | MrWax | Anyone can recommend me one in Europe? |
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| 10:58.48 | boudiccas | MrWax; sorry, its off topic for here, try asking in #debian-offtopic |
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| 11:02.12 | skilz | So any ideas? |
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| 11:05.21 | kk2 | how i update my squeeze to sid? |
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| 11:07.44 | sephii | kk2: update your sources.list, apt-get install apt and aptitude, apt-get install latest kernel, reboot, apt-get upgrade and d-u I think |
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| 11:09.30 | lancelot_of | Some issues on my newly installed debian testing system. 1) Kernel 3.* make my cpu hottest of more then 10°C respect to 2.6.39, the latter image being unreacheble in Debian repos. It worked fine and so i'm not able to re-install it (I've changed HD). 2) Sometimes halt and shutdown -h now do not really shutdown the system, but reboot it. How to fix? 3)Sometimes when i open new tabs in terminals, machine hostname changes, dunno why, and i m |
| 11:09.30 | lancelot_of | ust /etc/init.d/hostname stop/start to recover it, how to fix? |
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| 11:10.41 | Snake1 | hello has anyone here used, Citadel mail server before? |
| 11:10.55 | HSorgYves | shouldn't bind slave automatically reload the cache after successfully transferring a zone from the master? |
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| 11:11.12 | Snake1 | have a question about forwarding local mails from /var/spool/mail/user so i can manage and get them in my maildir / mbox on my webcit |
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| 11:12.13 | petemc | Snake1: you can use normal tools like cp or scp to move them around. if you want them reprocessed by your mta you would need to use something like formail from procmail |
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| 11:12.49 | Snake1 | petemc: well at this moment im not sure if Citadel uses maildir or Mbox |
| 11:13.06 | Snake1 | cant find that information atm, i would definiatley prefer maildir |
| 11:13.35 | petemc | there are tools like mb2md |
| 11:13.57 | petemc | or if you have imap access thats another way to shift mail around |
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| 11:14.11 | Snake1 | yeah that's true |
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| 11:14.26 | Snake1 | but im currently looking for a solution to webcit |
| 11:14.36 | Snake1 | (the web interface) for citadel |
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| 11:20.18 | no_gravity | Good Mornig! When in screen, is it possible to find out how many users are connected to the screen? |
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| 11:29.57 | Innocentus | hi |
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| 11:30.03 | Natureshadow | Hi there! |
| 11:30.10 | Natureshadow | Can someone give me a hint on how to DBus problems (at least I guess it might be a DBus problem when GNOME, Iceweasel, Epiphany, ...) are not starting but other X apps that do not use DBus work finde ... |
| 11:30.13 | Natureshadow | s/finde/fine/ |
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| 11:30.54 | Natureshadow | I am on Debian testing and the problem arose when trying to start GNOME 3, which at some point complains about panel apps failing to register |
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| 11:31.16 | Natureshadow | It also says something about "No hardware 3D support", but I guess this message is bogous because glxgears works fine ;) |
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| 11:41.39 | Natureshadow | But e.g. sending a DBus message manually to NetworkManager returns correct values |
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| 12:04.40 | trysten | does anyone know of a respectable tetris clone in the repos? |
| 12:04.47 | trysten | i've tried several now and they all suck |
| 12:05.13 | trysten | (i'll try it again if you say it's good |
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| 12:06.20 | viman | quadrapassel isn't good enough? |
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| 12:20.08 | trysten | unwilling to install due to 116MB of dependencies |
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| 12:42.32 | lancelot_of | Some issues on my newly installed debian testing system. 1) Kernel 3.* make my cpu hottest of more then 10°C respect to 2.6.39, the latter image being unreacheble in Debian repos. It worked fine and so i'm not able to re-install it (I've changed HD). 2) Sometimes halt and shutdown -h now do not really shutdown the system, but reboot it. How to fix? 3)Sometimes when i open new tabs in terminals, machine hostname changes, dunno why, and i must /etc/i |
| 12:42.32 | lancelot_of | nit.d/hostname stop/start to recover it, how to fix? |
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| 12:50.14 | kk2 | how i update my sid to kernel 3.2.6? |
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| 12:50.25 | adam___ | sed -e '/(ht|f)tp:\/\/w{0,3}[a-zA-Z0-9_\-.:#/~}]+/g' |
| 12:50.28 | adam___ | hello what is wrong? |
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| 12:52.18 | adam___ | :< |
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| 12:57.38 | adam___ | how separate matching regexp with sed? |
| 12:57.52 | streuner | kk2, why do you need 3.2.6? |
| 12:58.11 | kk2 | just for use the latest haha :x |
| 12:59.48 | streuner | !sns |
| 12:59.49 | dpkg | Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>. |
| 12:59.54 | Zaraphrax | kk2: compile it |
| 13:01.15 | kk2 | !backports |
| 13:01.15 | dpkg | A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
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| 13:03.04 | kk2 | streuner: so i can install gnome3 from backports? |
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| 13:03.24 | ohcibi | hi, somehow my mysql-server stopps working on one of my setups.. if i try to reinstall it i get an error "i wasnt able to locate the file for mysql-server. this might mean that you have to manually fix this package" <--- could someone tell me how, please? |
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| 13:03.33 | ohcibi | s/setups/servers/ |
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| 13:03.50 | streuner | kk2, i doubt that, but look for yourself at packages.debian.org |
| 13:04.01 | kk2 | streuner: thx a lot :) |
| 13:04.16 | Zaraphrax | gnome 3 isn't in backports as far as i know, you've got to upgrade to testing or sid i believe |
| 13:04.29 | Zaraphrax | although why you'd want gnome 3 I'll never know... |
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| 13:08.09 | streuner | Zaraphrax: sns |
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| 13:08.34 | Zaraphrax | streuner: with emphasis on the last 's' in this case ;-) |
| 13:08.43 | streuner | hehe |
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| 13:10.43 | streuner | Zaraphrax: well, actually i didnt get a warning about the status of the battery, that worked like a charm in GNOME 2 :-) |
| 13:11.19 | streuner | Zaraphrax: first, i didnt believe that, because it worked so good in 2... |
| 13:11.50 | Zaraphrax | streuner: sounds about right, I have a feeling I've heard others complaining of similar things. I assume you mean low battery? |
| 13:12.08 | streuner | Zaraphrax: yes, |
| 13:12.34 | Zaraphrax | streuner: Typical. Break useful features for the sake of flashy wank. ;-) This is why I went to XFCE |
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| 13:13.15 | streuner | Zaraphrax: hm, iam not satisfied too, it might be a good idea to give XFCE a chance |
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| 13:14.20 | Mephisto | hi |
| 13:14.22 | Zaraphrax | streuner: the version of XFCE in stable is old (obviously), but 4.8 which is in testing and sid has a few "nice" features the older version doesn't have. 4.6 is okay though, can be configured to look and work much like gnome 2 |
| 13:14.24 | fredl | hey folks, I may be really behind on something but reading some faqs on how to configure my radeon card and it looks like xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd is not packaged in Sid? |
| 13:14.27 | Mephisto | i'm having clipboard manager probs. |
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| 13:14.54 | Zaraphrax | and most of the lacking features can beworked around using other packages |
| 13:15.04 | Mephisto | i've been using Glipper all this time, but it's a bit buggy. The thing is.. no other clipboard manager i've tried has helped me as much as glipper. I mean although it's buggy but yet it does the job. The rest just don't work normally. |
| 13:15.40 | Mephisto | parcellite doesn't work. For example... when i try copying things from Iceweasel and then close it and try to paste the text i copied from there - nothing comes out. |
| 13:15.48 | Mephisto | glipper worked always. What else can i do? |
| 13:15.54 | fredl | I just looked on packages.debian.org and according to that, xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd *should* exist |
| 13:16.17 | fredl | so am I missing something here? unaccelerated 2D really kinda get annoying |
| 13:16.21 | Mephisto | i've tried clipman from xfce, but i'm using Gnome, and that thing installs a lot of redundant stuff from xfce and forces it to run and thus takes extra amount of memory which ain't a good thing. |
| 13:16.25 | Mephisto | but yes, it worked too. |
| 13:16.30 | Mephisto | what else can i use? |
| 13:16.55 | fredl | hmm, going to have to come back later to check this out. |
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| 13:20.28 | Natureshadow | OK, it was not DBus. It was /home being nfs-mounted without nolock *grmpf* |
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| 13:22.26 | Natureshadow | Any hints on how to get GDM3 on testing to use German keyboard layout globally? |
| 13:22.37 | Natureshadow | It does not honour any normal config, like XkbLayout and such |
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| 13:39.29 | pif | hi, what's the equivalent to ~/.gtkrc-2.0 for gtk3 ? |
| 13:39.43 | pif | (I tried ~/.gtkrc-3.0 without effect) |
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| 13:40.05 | pif | I need -> gtk-key-theme-name = "Emacs" |
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| 13:43.23 | KettleCooked | Where can I find a tutorial/help on how to turn a command call into a init.d service? I have a node.js server that starts by a simple command line call and is terminated by hitting Ctrl+C, but I want it to start at startupt, and have some nice starting/stopping/status abilities a la Apache/HTTPD. Is it doable? |
| 13:43.44 | KettleCooked | *startupt = system boot/restart |
| 13:44.33 | myshell | copy/paste from an existing /etc/init.d/<startup script> |
| 13:44.40 | ChrisH | More a bash question, but maybe someone has an idea. Goal is to log the STDOUT from bash to a file AND display it on the terminal. Instead of ./somescipt | tee LOGFILE I would like to have the script silently write the logfile. Could work with duplicating file descriptors exec n>$FILE Any ideas? |
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| 13:45.26 | ChrisH | KettleCooked: exactly as myshell said... put the startup line in as nohup node.js & 1>&2 > /some/logfile |
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| 13:46.09 | abrotman | did you ask #bash ? |
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| 13:46.24 | HSorgYves | would you recommend dnssec-tools or opendnssec' |
| 13:46.31 | ChrisH | abrotman: No.. I hoped to have bash-coders here :) |
| 13:46.32 | KettleCooked | ChrisH: what does nohup mean in this scenario? is there a script called nohup? |
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| 13:47.00 | KettleCooked | nm, foudn the command |
| 13:47.22 | ChrisH | KettleCooked: nohup allows to start the prozess in background mode. Killing/stopping it might be the more difficult thing |
| 13:47.48 | KettleCooked | I know httpd writes its PID to a pidfile which is then used for restarting/shutting down etc |
| 13:48.22 | ChrisH | KettleCooked: then its easy |
| 13:48.57 | KettleCooked | Do I have to learn bash scripting before doing this, you think? I've done no such thing before, but I know programming in general |
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| 13:50.24 | streuner | Zaraphrax: done. |
| 13:50.44 | ChrisH | KettleCooked: find the smallest one in /etc/init.d and check it. I assume its not needed to learn bash/shell in detail |
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| 13:56.47 | abrotman | ChrisH: like tee ? |
| 13:56.56 | abrotman | ChrisH: and/or 'script' |
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| 14:06.04 | diverdude | what is rsyslog used for? |
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| 14:06.36 | petemc | davidisko: syslog daemon |
| 14:07.09 | DammitJim | I am about to open up my home server to be able to check email from outside, what would be the best protocol for a cell phone client? |
| 14:07.12 | colo-work | `whatis rsyslogd` - ask your shell |
| 14:07.13 | diverdude | petemc: and what is it good for? why dont programs just write to a log file instead of writing to som elog demon |
| 14:07.17 | DammitJim | I'm only familiar with POP3 |
| 14:07.23 | colo-work | DammitJim, there's only IMAP. |
| 14:07.27 | jelly | diverdude: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syslog |
| 14:07.37 | petemc | DammitJim: activesync |
| 14:07.55 | colo-work | DammitJim, are you looking for an IMAP server implementation, or what exactly do you plan to do or use? |
| 14:08.12 | DammitJim | I am running just exim4 on my server |
| 14:08.17 | petemc | diverdude: apt-cache show rsyslog |
| 14:08.27 | DammitJim | +1 petemc on rsyslog |
| 14:08.38 | petemc | DammitJim: exim doesnt do pop or imap, its just a mta |
| 14:08.56 | DammitJim | colo-work, I have an email server that I can only access through ssh or check email in my local network |
| 14:09.28 | ChrisH | abrotman: as tee not script |
| 14:09.29 | DammitJim | dammit, you are right, petemc ... what am I using for pop right now? |
| 14:09.37 | colo-work | DammitJim, you have an MTA. that does not provide POP or IMAP access to mailboxes, though - it only _delivers mail into_ mailboxes, and sends mail out via SMTP. |
| 14:09.49 | DammitJim | let me check |
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| 14:11.50 | DammitJim | dammit... I can't remember what I'm using for POP3! |
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| 14:13.32 | fredl | hey folks. How come that a not-unimportant package has not made it into Sid yet? (xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd) |
| 14:14.00 | fredl | well it's not in the amd64 arch |
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| 14:15.47 | DammitJim | weird, I think I'm using gpopper according to dpkg -l | grep pop |
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| 14:17.40 | jelly | fredl: into sid from where? |
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| 14:18.07 | fredl | well from the maintainer usually, right? |
| 14:18.36 | jelly | fredl: isn't video-radeonhd obsolete, the functionality present in video-radeon these days? |
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| 14:19.05 | fredl | that could well be. I saw it's still present in another Sid arch (think it was some mips arch) |
| 14:19.09 | jelly | fredl: http://www.x.org/wiki/radeonhd |
| 14:19.10 | ___nolife | Anyone an idea what could cause that when i just have a "find" script that goes through thousands of files and greps some data ? "15:15:54 up 105 days, 20:00, 11 users, load average: 9.03, 4.72, 3.19" |
| 14:19.17 | ___nolife | I used nice -n 19 but that does not help anything |
| 14:19.30 | ___nolife | the whole system gets overload from simple file operations |
| 14:19.36 | themill | !dbugs 612190 |
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| 14:19.40 | dpkg | DONE:#612190:N[ftp.debian.org] RM: xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd -- ROM; unmaintained (); Sun, 06 Feb 2011 16:06:12 UTC [] |
| 14:19.46 | themill | fredl: radeonhd is not in debian at all any more |
| 14:20.04 | jelly | well it's in stable! |
| 14:20.55 | jelly | ,versions xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd |
| 14:20.56 | judd | Package: xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd on i386 -- lenny: 1.2.1-2; squeeze: 1.3.0-3 |
| 14:21.04 | fredl | http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd |
| 14:21.14 | fredl | so its in m68k |
| 14:21.35 | fredl | oh well, but alright, it would seem it is indeed folded into the radeon one |
| 14:21.36 | themill | fredl: m68k is not in debian, however. |
| 14:21.38 | DammitJim | this is the silliest question you guys are going to get today: how do I find out what software I'm using for serving POP3 connections? |
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| 14:22.06 | jelly | DammitJim: nope, probably not the silliest |
| 14:22.23 | DammitJim | dammit!... jelly, I want that trophy really bad |
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| 14:23.25 | jelly | sorry |
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| 14:23.41 | ___nolife | Is there "nice" for IO ? |
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| 14:24.24 | jelly | DammitJim: use netstat -p or, say, fuser -n tcp 110, to figure out the process listening on the POP3 service tcp socket |
| 14:25.05 | project2501a | hey guys, i just upgraded and a messaged scrolled by that the php packagers got suhosin disabled. where is that message unpacked, please, so i can go read it again? |
| 14:25.13 | project2501a | it's not under /var/lib/dpkg/inst |
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| 14:25.33 | DammitJim | netstat -a | grep pop just says: tcp 0 0 *:pop3 *:* LISTEN |
| 14:25.34 | DammitJim | lol |
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| 14:25.52 | jelly | DammitJim: you did not use the suggested -p parameter. |
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| 14:26.10 | themill | project2501a: /usr/share/doc/$package/NEWS.Debian |
| 14:26.16 | project2501a | ah! |
| 14:26.21 | jelly | DammitJim: at this point I'm obliged to say "RTFM" |
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| 14:26.57 | DammitJim | netstat -p doesn't say anything about 110 or pop |
| 14:26.59 | project2501a | themill: so during {dist-}upgrade all the NEWS.Debian files are getting concatenated and displayed to the users? |
| 14:27.30 | abrotman | project2501a: no |
| 14:27.32 | themill | project2501a: if apt-listchanges is installed and configured to do so; by default it does exactly that, yes. You can also get it to show you the changelogs too (dpkg-reconfigure apt-listchanges) |
| 14:27.58 | project2501a | cool. i think i will dump by girlfriend and marry debian. |
| 14:27.59 | themill | project2501a: since squeeze, apt-listchanges is installed by default. (and this is a good thing...) |
| 14:28.08 | project2501a | indeed it is! |
| 14:28.30 | project2501a | it can be even used in a graph to show a sysadmin the upgrade path for a package. |
| 14:28.33 | project2501a | woot. |
| 14:28.36 | themill | project2501a: it doesn't just naively concatenate them though, it only shows you NEWS items (or changelog items) that you've not seen before |
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| 14:29.06 | project2501a | awesome! |
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| 14:29.48 | jeredepp | hello i got a problem with a Hardware RAID 1 on a hp dl320 g7 and a netinstall cd, is it worth gpoing through all that work or should i just use a software raid instead, anybody made good experiences with software raids? |
| 14:29.50 | project2501a | one more thing: what is the difference between /usr/share/doc and /usr/share/doc-base ? |
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| 14:30.09 | project2501a | jeredepp: what is your problem with the hardware raid? |
| 14:30.16 | project2501a | what controller do you have on? |
| 14:30.33 | jelly | jeredepp: which hw raid card? Onboard SATA or a proper SmartArray? |
| 14:30.41 | project2501a | smartarray ftw |
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| 14:30.51 | project2501a | if i had to cheat on debian i would do it with hp |
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| 14:31.40 | jeredepp | project2501a: i see 2 logical volumes in the smart array, but in the debian squeeze installer i still see all (4) volumes, i set up 2 x 2HDD's in RAID1 |
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| 14:32.08 | jeredepp | so i just installed it on my first HDD and now it's not running in RAID |
| 14:32.23 | jelly | jeredepp: that... doesn't sound like a SmartArray setup, or they diluted the brand |
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| 14:32.49 | project2501a | jeredepp: is is a proper smart array raid card? are you sure you binder all the hard drives on the raid? |
| 14:32.50 | jelly | jeredepp: how many /dev/cciss/c?d? device does the installer see? |
| 14:33.18 | jeredepp | jelly: none.... that's the point |
| 14:33.32 | project2501a | jelly: in wheezy, smart array arrays show up under /dev |
| 14:33.33 | jelly | jeredepp: you don't have a SmartArray, then. |
| 14:33.42 | project2501a | there is no /dev/cciss any more |
| 14:34.01 | jelly | jeredepp: which debian release are you trying to install? |
| 14:34.27 | jelly | project2501a: I know about the new hpsa driver, did not realize it was the default now. |
| 14:34.27 | project2501a | is running dl320s dl360s dl380s dl580s and dl980s in wheezy |
| 14:34.47 | jelly | does not run testing on servers. |
| 14:34.51 | project2501a | jelly: it is in HEAD wheezy |
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| 14:35.00 | jeredepp | the stable squeeze build |
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| 14:35.12 | jeredepp | from a netinstall ISO |
| 14:35.19 | project2501a | jelly: you do not run a bioinformatics outfit then :P |
| 14:35.20 | freshly-squeezed | I wouldlike hook my laptop up to my flatpanel tv which has a resolution of 1360x768 how ever the native reolution of my laptops buildtin lcd is 1600x900 and the picture on the tv which is connected via vga is mis rendering |
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| 14:36.10 | jeredepp | and it runs with SATA if that matters |
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| 14:36.28 | jelly | jeredepp: ok. Then I'm _guessing_ you're using some sort of intel onboard sata raid feature. If you're going to have just one OS one the machine, it's probably better to put the controller in AHCI/native mode, and set up Linux's own "MD" soft raid. |
| 14:37.16 | jeredepp | allright, that's actually what i wanted to hear :) thanks |
| 14:37.18 | jelly | project2501a: If I had users requiring newer software, I'd probably still not use testing but backport the required bits. |
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| 14:37.58 | jeredepp | grinning, rm -rf /* |
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| 14:45.25 | johnfg | 1 |
| 14:45.30 | johnfg | hi guys |
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| 14:48.16 | johnfg | Is there a cli equivalent for acroread? |
| 14:48.27 | johnfg | Something to read pdf files? |
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| 14:49.06 | LtL | johnfg: xpdf comes in handy |
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| 14:49.41 | LtL | johnfg: it's not exactly cli though |
| 14:50.04 | petemc | johnfg: there are tools to convert pdf to text |
| 14:50.22 | jelly | johnfg: there's pdftotxt but it doesn't always work |
| 14:50.52 | jelly | pardon. pdftotext, |
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| 14:51.17 | jelly | judd: file bin/pdftotext |
| 14:51.23 | judd | Search for bin/pdftotext in squeeze/i386: poppler-utils: usr/bin/pdftotext; poppler-dbg: usr/lib/debug/usr/bin/pdftotext |
| 14:51.36 | engla | pdf to groff? :-) |
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| 14:52.45 | johnfg | LtL: No, it doesn't work from the cli but thanks for the try. |
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| 14:53.49 | johnfg | It's not that I want to convert a pdf, but like now, when I'm using irssi from a terminal I wanted to read a pdf, but the tools I have need a display. |
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| 14:56.01 | sephii | if you're a cli guy you can use zathura, it still needs a display but it has a nice vim navigation system and it's quite light |
| 14:56.45 | trysten | how is my autocomplete parsing MAKEFILEs?! |
| 14:57.03 | trysten | or: where can i read more about this magic? |
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| 14:59.07 | brazen | hi all first time in here |
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| 15:00.36 | brazen | you know apt-get what repository is it pulling files from? |
| 15:01.03 | timo | trysten: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/316 and /etc/bash_complete.d/make |
| 15:01.04 | abrotman | /etc/apt/sourcers.list |
| 15:01.17 | abrotman | sources |
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| 15:03.08 | MrWax | having a 128MB ram vps system, would this be fast enough to just simply use irssi on? |
| 15:03.12 | MrWax | or isnt that enough |
| 15:03.24 | etene | It is |
| 15:06.19 | brazen | abrotman: was that to me? |
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| 15:08.35 | alesan | hi |
| 15:08.44 | alesan | do you think I can delete the contents of /var/lib/apt/lists ? |
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| 15:10.13 | babilen | brazen: Repositories are configured in /etc/apt/sources.list[.d/*.conf] -- See "/msg dpkg make squeeze sources.list" for a short discussion on what you could/should have in there. |
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| 15:19.47 | shaun- | hi |
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| 15:20.22 | jhutchins_wk | alesan: Why? |
| 15:20.35 | alesan | jhutchins_wk, to save space!!! |
| 15:20.36 | shaun- | how long will debian support i386? for a long long time... ? |
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| 15:20.54 | putridp | Hello. Is there a way to check the current idle timeout setting for a particular drive? |
| 15:21.00 | KettleCooked | Has anyone here used upstart? I want to install it, but it says it will uninstall sysvinit, which upon closer inspection has something to do with /sbin/shutdown and so on, sounds harmful no? |
| 15:21.06 | shaun- | putridp: hdparm ? |
| 15:21.27 | Phil-Work | shaun-, it still supports powerpc |
| 15:21.30 | Phil-Work | so yah, I assume so |
| 15:21.30 | Phil-Work | lol |
| 15:21.36 | shingouz | putridp: smartmontools |
| 15:21.37 | babilen | jhutchins_wk: That question was cross-posted from OFTC -- We've covered it there already :) |
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| 15:22.07 | putridp | shaun-: AFAIK, hdparm can only set it, with -S. |
| 15:22.16 | putridp | shingouz: Thank you |
| 15:22.48 | gnarface | someone made a linux backup solution that workes like apple time machine but with rsync, right? what was that called? |
| 15:23.27 | engla | gnarface: which part of time machine does it do the same way? |
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| 15:24.47 | gnarface | engla: the part where redundant data between daily backups isn't stored redundantly |
| 15:25.05 | engla | rsync + btrfs does independent browsable snapshots just like time machine. |
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| 15:25.31 | engla | rdiff-backup does increments with the latest snapshot being browsable, but increments are not independently removable |
| 15:25.32 | gnarface | what does btrfs add to that which bash couldn't do in its place? |
| 15:25.44 | engla | gnarface: cow snapshots |
| 15:25.53 | gnarface | cow? |
| 15:26.04 | gnarface | copy on write? |
| 15:26.11 | engla | copy on write snapshots |
| 15:26.25 | engla | maybe http://rsnapshot.org/ |
| 15:26.45 | engla | but time machine is cheating, it uses directory hard links as well (linux does not permit it) |
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| 15:28.28 | gnarface | since i'd be only ever using it to back up to another physical machine over the network, hard links profit me nothing, right? |
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| 15:30.30 | engla | that would be hard links between each backup snapshot |
| 15:30.45 | engla | so it's reusing the unchanged files |
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| 15:31.23 | skilz | IS Intel® Atom Processor 230 crap? |
| 15:31.32 | skilz | Is Pentium 4 2.4ghz better? |
| 15:32.02 | petemc | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:32.24 | skilz | Yeah I know but I think my old P4 2.4ghz is better |
| 15:32.53 | petemc | it would use more power than the atom |
| 15:32.55 | skilz | Not sure to buy this to put debian on or just stick to my Thinkpad P4 http://wollongong.gumtree.com.au/c-Stuff-for-Sale-computers-software-desktop-pcs-Hardly-Used-Desktop-PC-perfect-for-students-150-W0QQAdIdZ354774765 |
| 15:33.12 | skilz | Yes but does it give me as much power? |
| 15:33.28 | skilz | Does the Atom have as much processing power? |
| 15:33.32 | gnarface | hell no |
| 15:33.37 | gnarface | its a fucking cellphone chip |
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| 15:33.52 | skilz | Okay thought so, so worse then a Celeron? |
| 15:34.06 | gnarface | depends on the clock speed of the celeron |
| 15:34.26 | gnarface | there are celerons at 300mhz... an Atom would dust those |
| 15:34.41 | skilz | Yeah this atom is 1.3ghz |
| 15:34.53 | gnarface | but 230 atom runs at 1.6ghz according to my sources |
| 15:35.01 | skilz | My first PC was Pentium 200mhz, then Celeron 533 |
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| 15:35.12 | skilz | gnarface, You are correct |
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| 15:35.50 | skilz | Okay thanks |
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| 15:36.53 | tosmo | when updating sid last week cryptsetup could |
| 15:37.00 | gnarface | skilz: you only want an Atom if you value battery life more than performance and have some sort of blunt head trauma brain damage that prevents you from going for an ARM based solution |
| 15:37.20 | skilz | haha |
| 15:37.56 | tosmo | when updating sid last week cryptsetup could'nt properly configure my encrypted lvm drives in the initrd, so i'm currently unable to boot (encrypted root fs). any suggestions on how to repair the initrd from a bootable flashdrive |
| 15:38.00 | tosmo | = |
| 15:38.02 | tosmo | ? |
| 15:38.13 | Innocentus | hi |
| 15:38.49 | Innocentus | Are there any debian standard or voilatry repository packages for apache2 mod_security2 core rules? |
| 15:38.51 | putridp | shingouz: AFAICT, smartctl can't report what the current timeout setting is. |
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| 15:42.41 | somiaj | tosmo: have you checked the bts, and also #debian-next on irc.oftc.net is the prefered testing/unstable support chan |
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| 15:43.51 | pelo | morning folks, i came here a couple of days ago asking questions efore switching to debian and i have some more |
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| 15:44.29 | klync | pelo: yes, it is a good morning, at least here in my timezone |
| 15:44.36 | OlaHughson | good evening here. |
| 15:44.45 | OlaHughson | gives klync some snowe. |
| 15:44.47 | OlaHughson | snow |
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| 15:45.30 | pelo | checking the dowload page i saw thelat i have a choice between a one cd installation that gets stuff from the net or a 50 cd dl with the whole thing |
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| 15:45.59 | klync | ola, OlaHughson! we could use some snow... seems all of ours got rerouted across the atlantic this year. toboganning is not as fun lately :( |
| 15:46.04 | somiaj | pelo: do you have a good internet connenction? |
| 15:46.20 | OlaHughson | klync: I will gladly give You tons of snow at any given moment ;) |
| 15:46.33 | sephii | backuppc is not starting at boot, I'm forced to do so manually, any idea why? There are init scripts in /etc/rc*.d/ |
| 15:46.52 | OlaHughson | http://wklej.org/id/689953/ . Installed today, now installing apps. |
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| 15:48.12 | pelo | my question is how much stuff does the one cd need to dl for the default install ? i'm not bothered a out dling the extre packages i need for the extre progs i want , i'm just curious to know if the one cd is self - suffisantc for the basic install |
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| 15:48.39 | OlaHughson | you dont need other CDs if that's what You mean |
| 15:48.40 | OlaHughson | :D |
| 15:48.53 | somiaj | pelo: the netinstall cd (200megs) contains a complete base system on it |
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| 15:49.04 | OlaHughson | pelo: i used it today, it works |
| 15:49.08 | OlaHughson | 100% Olap-Certified. |
| 15:49.10 | OlaHughson | Ola |
| 15:49.22 | somiaj | pelo: that is all you need to download to get a base system. Then with an internet connenction you can download the rest of the software you want from the debian online repos |
| 15:49.41 | pelo | ghanks somiaj that pretti much what i wAs wonderng |
| 15:50.02 | somiaj | pelo: cd1 contains the base system plus some popular packages, so really the cd you download is dependent on what you want to have a hard copy with when doing the install |
| 15:50.10 | somiaj | pelo: are you doing this on a laptop with a wireless card? |
| 15:50.33 | OlaHughson | wireless + linux install? o_o |
| 15:50.42 | OlaHughson | how can it possibly be easy? |
| 15:50.42 | pelo | no desktop with a wires connextion |
| 15:51.13 | somiaj | pelo: ok just one common issue is debian removes the non-free firmware blobs (usually effecting wireless and other stuff) out of the debian main system |
| 15:51.24 | pelo | altho i'm chatting from my ipod (i hage typing on this thing) |
| 15:51.27 | somiaj | pelo: this means you have to download the firmware package and install it before getting on line |
| 15:51.42 | somiaj | pelo: some wired cards need non-free firmware, but that is very few |
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| 15:53.46 | pelo | all n one asus board i should be ok , i currently have ubuntu installed , i'm not so worried about hardware issues i just wanted to dl the right install cd |
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| 15:54.41 | somiaj | pelo: non-free packages aren't an issue once you enable them. ubuntu ships with non-free firmware, the debian install cds do not. So it is just an extra step sometimes getting the network working for the first time |
| 15:54.55 | somiaj | pelo: it isn't that it won't work, it just won't work on the default debian installers (in the case you require non-free firmware) |
| 15:55.14 | gnarface | pelo: well you should know that its unlikely you'll be able to get WPA/WPA2 working inside the installer. |
| 15:55.15 | pelo | i get it |
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| 15:56.09 | somiaj | pelo: with a wired interface you most likely won't have any issues (there are a few wired cards that will) |
| 15:56.24 | pelo | it's a desktop comp on a lan wpa wont be an issue |
| 15:56.26 | somiaj | with wireless cards you most likely will have to deal with the non-free firmware issue and wpa. (: |
| 15:57.50 | pelo | thanks for the info gotta go master/cat demands attentiom bbl |
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| 15:58.56 | OlaHughson | installed it on iBook G3, works |
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| 15:59.48 | OlaHughson | okay, Debian |
| 15:59.50 | Innocentus | anyone here with expertise on apt and repos? |
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| 15:59.56 | OlaHughson | Y U INSTALL AUDACIOUS SO SLOW? |
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| 16:01.16 | a2z | Hey all, has anyone been able to solve why the latest google earth fails to start? |
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| 16:01.51 | MrWax | the one who told me 128MB ram on debian was enough, was not right |
| 16:01.57 | MrWax | it's not even enough to install irssi |
| 16:02.06 | gnarface | you also need swap |
| 16:02.07 | MrWax | enough to run irssi i mean |
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| 16:02.29 | MrWax | so what can i do about this? I just bought this VPS |
| 16:02.36 | petemc | MrWax: it surely is, i ran irssi on a box with 128 meg ram for years |
| 16:02.48 | petemc | MrWax: what happens when you try to install it? |
| 16:02.51 | gnarface | MrWax: figure out whats wasting all your ram? |
| 16:02.51 | MrWax | petemc: so how did you install it? |
| 16:02.56 | petemc | apt-get install irssi |
| 16:02.56 | etene | it was me, i've been able to install lenny with 48mb ram |
| 16:02.59 | MrWax | its a brand new server |
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| 16:03.03 | MrWax | installed 1 minute ago |
| 16:03.06 | petemc | you get what you pay for... |
| 16:03.22 | a2z | The latest Google Earth fails to start in debian. Bug reports have already been filed but has anyone found a work-around? |
| 16:03.31 | MrWax | Well, it's simply not true, it's not enough to install irssi |
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| 16:03.44 | MrWax | dpkg-deb (subprocess): data: internal gzip write error: Cannot allocate memory |
| 16:03.44 | petemc | MrWax: what happens when you try? |
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| 16:04.04 | sawjig | MrWax, it's simply not true for you. |
| 16:04.06 | MrWax | dpkg-deb (subprocess): failed in write on buffer copy for failed to write to pipe in copy: Cannot allocate memory |
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| 16:04.08 | shaun- | MrWax: what services asre you running ? |
| 16:04.22 | shaun- | MrWax: stop any unnecessary services. did you do a minimal install via netinstall ? |
| 16:04.29 | MrWax | shaun-: yes |
| 16:04.33 | MrWax | probably even less than that |
| 16:04.38 | shaun- | MrWax: netstat -patnl | grep LIST |
| 16:04.45 | MrWax | ok, pastebin? |
| 16:04.49 | shaun- | yes |
| 16:04.56 | MrWax | shaun-: tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:22 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 388/sshd |
| 16:04.59 | MrWax | only that |
| 16:05.14 | shaun- | hmmm. how much swap? |
| 16:05.33 | MrWax | SwapTotal: 524288 kB |
| 16:05.37 | shaun- | in fact fuck dat. can you output the results of top to pastebin ? |
| 16:05.37 | MrWax | SwapFree: 524288 kB |
| 16:05.41 | MrWax | ok |
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| 16:06.15 | MrWax | shaun-: http://pastebin.com/gHCLJ4v7 |
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| 16:06.44 | johndescs | MrWax: I ran for years a 128Mb RAM box with X etc. as desktop (okay with an older debian but still) |
| 16:07.15 | phschwartz | Hi all, I have a VM instance that is running in OpenStack that is having an issue on boot. It appears that my rc.local is being run before the networking is up and I require access over the network in the rc.local. Is there a way to change eth0's ifup to not background? |
| 16:07.38 | johndescs | I've got a laptop with 96Mb RAM and FVWM-crystal running (pretty) well even with iceweasel |
| 16:07.42 | project2501a | what is the difference between libboost1.48-deva and lib boost1.48-all-dev? |
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| 16:08.14 | shaun- | MrWax: also can you post the top part of top showing memory usuage. ta. to pastebin |
| 16:08.17 | phschwartz | also I am using auto-hotplug eth0 in my interfaces file instead of auto eth0 as I have always done int he past if that makes a difference. |
| 16:08.49 | shaun- | phschwartz: hotplug just allows you to disconnect and reconnect network devices. like in a laptop for example |
| 16:08.55 | MrWax | shaun-: what parameters? |
| 16:09.01 | MrWax | shaun-: i simply paste top to pastbin.com |
| 16:09.18 | shaun- | MrWax: just the top part of top. the part that shows the memory ususage. or free -m, instead |
| 16:09.22 | phschwartz | shaun-: any idea of a way to not have the start of the network background so I can have it come up before rc.local runs in the initlevel |
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| 16:09.54 | phschwartz | I can get around it with a sleep 30 in my rc.local, but I don't like that solution much. |
| 16:10.05 | MrWax | shaun-: http://pastebin.com/66ibsy3c |
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| 16:10.58 | shaun- | phschwartz: you usually specific the order in which things come up via the order in /etc/rc2.d/ |
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| 16:11.55 | shaun- | MrWax: that all looks good to me. in fact you appear to have 110MB of RAM left! |
| 16:12.13 | phschwartz | shaun-: That was the first place I looked, but I don't see a link for the networking in there as I am use to on other distros |
| 16:12.13 | MrWax | It's just not enough to install any package |
| 16:12.27 | MrWax | I think you would need 512 MB ram to be able to install debian packages |
| 16:12.38 | MrWax | or at least 256 |
| 16:12.57 | phschwartz | shaun-: This is all that is in rc2.d and all of the others by the look of it. http://paste2.org/p/1906145 |
| 16:13.09 | MrWax | It's not possible to install (ANY) debian package (squeeze) with 128MB ram |
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| 16:13.44 | MrWax | Anyway, 110 EURO wasted :( |
| 16:14.30 | phschwartz | I think S02exim4 is requiring $network to force it up, but S04rc.local should run after it but I am not seeing the network setup untill 30+ sec after rc.local is ran. |
| 16:14.47 | johndescs | MrWax: you must have another problem, this is totally incredible |
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| 16:14.47 | Mephisto | question, why no clipboard manager ever works with Firefox/iceweasel when i copy, then close FF/IW and paste? :) Except for glipper. |
| 16:14.53 | Mephisto | i just don't get it. |
| 16:14.54 | MrWax | johndescs: no, there is not, are you blind or what? didn't you see the ram stats and top stats |
| 16:15.12 | shaun- | MrWax: I can't believe you need that much RAM to install a package. as johndescs says, it must be another problem. which release are you running? squeeze? |
| 16:15.15 | Mephisto | and only Glipper 1.0.1 |
| 16:15.21 | MrWax | Squeeze yes |
| 16:15.26 | Mephisto | newer versions don't work with FF too. |
| 16:15.33 | Mephisto | what the hell is that problem anyway? |
| 16:15.34 | MrWax | Linux abstract 2.6.32-042stab045.1 #1 SMP Wed Dec 14 18:53:36 MSK 2011 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 16:15.39 | shingouz | MrWax: sid does not have problems even under 128 on a couple of my computers. i am guessing you have something big running there or a configuration problem somewhere |
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| 16:16.03 | MrWax | shingouz: no, it's a simple netinst version of debian, nothing is installed |
| 16:16.26 | MrWax | the installation was done about 10 minutes ago, the first command eever I executed was 'apt-get update' and apt-get install irssi |
| 16:16.35 | ksuhku | MrWax, have you run memtest lately? |
| 16:16.37 | shaun- | phschwartz: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch03.en.html#_network_interface_initialization |
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| 16:18.10 | MrWax | lets reboot, maybe something strange is running but i doubt it |
| 16:18.43 | shaun- | phschwartz: so S15networking, in rcS.d |
| 16:19.37 | MrWax | just rebooted, same error |
| 16:19.46 | phschwartz | shaun-: Now I am more confused as rcS.d should start before rc2-5.d which means by the time rc.local is run, it should be up. |
| 16:19.51 | gnarface | what's the actual error, MrWax ? |
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| 16:20.15 | MrWax | gnarface: dpkg-deb (subprocess): failed in write on buffer copy for failed to write to pipe in copy: Cannot allocate memory |
| 16:20.32 | etene | MrWax: I have 512 mb, and memory usage doesn't go above 85mb while running apt (and lots of other stuff in the background). It was me who told you you could install irssi. Sorry if it doesn't work for you. |
| 16:20.33 | MrWax | gnarface: dpkg-deb (subprocess): data: internal gzip write error: Cannot allocate memory |
| 16:20.51 | gnarface | MrWax: were you trying to install a lot of packages? |
| 16:21.10 | MrWax | gnarface: i think irssi needs to use several libs yes, and that would automatically come with installing irssi. |
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| 16:21.19 | gnarface | MrWax: how many packages? |
| 16:21.29 | shaun- | MrWax: you could alwasy install the dependencies first.. manually |
| 16:21.31 | MrWax | 10 |
| 16:21.38 | MrWax | lets see if that works |
| 16:21.57 | shaun- | MrWax: 64MB is the minimum for Squeeze on a non-desktop. But the recommended is 256MB RAM |
| 16:23.33 | MrWax | shaun-: but many packages (i would say 50%+) are not installable with under 256MB RAM |
| 16:23.49 | gnarface | 10 packages doesn't seem like enough to cause the problem i was thinking of |
| 16:23.55 | MrWax | half of the packages necessary for irssi at least |
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| 16:24.49 | johndescs | MrWax: how did you install ? if you did it the basic way you must have installed a lot of packages already |
| 16:25.06 | gnarface | MrWax: is this a vmware vps? |
| 16:25.26 | MrWax | its glesys.com were i bought it from |
| 16:25.40 | MrWax | OpenVZ |
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| 16:26.48 | henrico | anybody from california or NY plz pvt-me! |
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| 16:27.28 | MrWax | what seems to rock at glesys.com is that you pay per hour 1 euro cent an hour for this VPS |
| 16:27.45 | MrWax | and you pay after usage each month, no upfront payment needed |
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| 16:28.03 | shaun- | MrWax: you sure the 128MB isn't the burst RAM rate ? |
| 16:28.08 | MrWax | no |
| 16:28.12 | shaun- | ok |
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| 16:28.21 | MrWax | but i will remove this server right now, and buy a 256 MB one |
| 16:28.38 | MrWax | "You are charged by the hour for all servers. " |
| 16:28.42 | gnarface | i just wanna know how this vps could be so whack that my p2-266 laptop isn't having this problem |
| 16:28.47 | MrWax | This will probably mean that its ok to remove this order |
| 16:29.41 | somiaj | MrWax: lots of times you can copy your same server image and just bring it up in a container that has more ram, makes upgrading easy. |
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| 16:30.09 | archo43 | meh |
| 16:31.01 | gnarface | MrWax: i have a feeling there's an apt or dpkg configuration option you can use to have it be nice with lower-ram setups. whether you actually should need that though i'm dubious... it kinda seems like they're doing something to make you buy more ram than necessary. you said you paid 110 euro? what is that for? a month? |
| 16:31.11 | gnarface | MrWax: for the install? |
| 16:31.20 | MrWax | gnarface: a year, but i didnt pay it yet |
| 16:31.30 | MrWax | and it looks like you can just cut it off after 10 hours usage |
| 16:31.38 | MrWax | (which will make the final costs 10 euro cents) |
| 16:31.47 | MrWax | pretty weird, never seen this before |
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| 16:32.31 | gnarface | MrWax: i have, on machines without swap, and once on a mac running debian sid ppc that hadn't been updated in 2 years and wanted to get like 3GB of updates |
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| 16:34.48 | archo43 | do macs run debian? |
| 16:35.00 | MrWax | works fine with 256MB RAM guys |
| 16:35.04 | MrWax | Weird |
| 16:35.09 | MrWax | Anyway, thanks |
| 16:35.17 | gnarface | MrWax: do you have a lot of sources listed? |
| 16:35.18 | freshly-squeezed | funky wifi drives me nuts |
| 16:35.24 | gnarface | MrWax: total packages available can affect ram used |
| 16:35.25 | MrWax | gnarface: lets see |
| 16:35.30 | MrWax | yea hold on |
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| 16:36.15 | gnarface | MrWax: the real mystery is why your VPS is different fundamentally from commodity hardware for this purpose... there are a few things suspicious in general about VPSes |
| 16:36.19 | MrWax | no just the basic 4 |
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| 16:36.55 | gnarface | MrWax: deb, deb-src and the two for security? |
| 16:37.00 | MrWax | gnarface: i'm not a debian expert, i installed it a thousand times on a variety of systems but i guess these are customized packages by those hosting SPs |
| 16:37.04 | MrWax | gnarface: right |
| 16:37.22 | gnarface | MrWax: i noticed that's a non-stock kernel too |
| 16:37.38 | gnarface | MrWax: god only knows what they're actually doing to it. are you using their repos? |
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| 16:37.58 | AmmarkoV | hello! |
| 16:37.58 | phschwartz | Anyone know what would cause snapshots to stay in the Queued state? |
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| 16:38.16 | AmmarkoV | i would like to submit a package :P |
| 16:38.29 | AmmarkoV | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:38.34 | AmmarkoV | debian-gnome is empty :P |
| 16:38.35 | MrWax | gnarface: how do you mean? |
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| 16:39.59 | MrWax | gnarface: what is even more strange about this company (which according to reviews doesn't look untrusted) is that they bill you afterwards |
| 16:40.07 | MrWax | and bill you per hour for VPS usage |
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| 16:40.51 | johndescs | MrWax: I run OpenVZ and memory limitation is something I never understood. There are say 5 different kind of limits which interact each other… |
| 16:41.14 | MrWax | say i would need a vps for 12 hours, it would just cost me about 12 cents that would be billed from my card afterwards |
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| 16:42.41 | gnarface | MrWax: i suspect they're overbooking their hardware airline style |
| 16:43.30 | morphje | that's about the only way they can even make a profit. prices are just crazy |
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| 16:44.11 | gnarface | MrWax: but for that price you could just run a second computer in your house |
| 16:44.34 | MrWax | gnarface: that would be more expensive |
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| 16:45.10 | gnarface | MrWax: for just electricity, if you had the machine already spare on hand? ... i'm not so sure |
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| 16:45.35 | johndescs | MrWax: self-hosting is sooo nice :p |
| 16:45.40 | MrWax | i don't know, but I think bandwidth wise NL and SE are the cheapest on earth |
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| 16:46.50 | gnarface | MrWax: probably but look at it this way... you have all the free bandwidth you could ever need on your LAN, and your home ISP is just unused bandwidth anyway. i guess it depends on whether you really plan on hosting public services, and whether you really think a cheesy 128MB VPS is gonna beat a mid-90's used dell |
| 16:47.22 | MrWax | 256RAM is just 2 euros a month more expensive |
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| 16:47.27 | MrWax | or even less than that |
| 16:47.27 | AmmarkoV | #debian-mentors is also empty :S |
| 16:47.29 | MrWax | anyway, i dont know |
| 16:48.17 | gnarface | MrWax: well my view on it is skewed by the fact i have spare computers and battery backups laying around |
| 16:48.33 | Trewas | 1 cent per hour is actually very cheap, even considering only electricity.... 1 kWh costs more than 10 cents pretty much everywhere so a computer using 100W on average cost more than 1c per hour |
| 16:49.04 | MrWax | Trewas: so, how they would do it |
| 16:49.13 | johndescs | AmmarkoV: I think you might start with an email on mentors' ML |
| 16:49.21 | MrWax | Trewas: but remember this is just a VPS |
| 16:49.21 | AmmarkoV | debian-mentors@lists.debian.org <- ? |
| 16:49.23 | freshly-squeezed | any clues on why i would have to staticly assign an ipaddress in order to get on my home network/ |
| 16:49.36 | Trewas | MrWax: they are virtual servers, many of them on a single computer, and maybe a company gets better rates for electricity |
| 16:49.55 | gnarface | freshly-squeezed: cause you got no dhcp |
| 16:50.27 | gnarface | MrWax: a VPS is like a timeshare condo, only everyone goes there at once |
| 16:50.46 | MrWax | yep.. gotta go bbl |
| 16:51.03 | freshly-squeezed | I know i have a funtioning dhcp server on my dlin dir 825 router because my other family members can access the intenet just fine |
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| 16:51.30 | etene | freshly-squeezed: maybe it's your dhcp *client* then |
| 16:51.30 | morphje | gnarface: haha, in that case i will have my first try at that nasty time share in about 2 days :S |
| 16:51.40 | themill | AmmarkoV: you're trying on the wrong network -- all these channels are on irc.oftc.net as you said earlier. |
| 16:51.46 | AmmarkoV | :S |
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| 16:51.57 | freshly-squeezed | what is the package under squeeze for dhcpcd?> |
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| 16:52.42 | AmmarkoV | god damn pidgin I think i found the problem .. :P |
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| 16:52.47 | gnarface | freshly-squeezed: there are a few. try this: apt-cache search ^dhcp\ client |
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| 16:52.57 | AmmarkoV | i opened tha room using the wrong irc server I guess :) |
| 16:53.00 | morphje | AmmarkoV: don't allow birds in your computer ? |
| 16:53.01 | johndescs | freshly-squeezed: isc-dhcp-server ? |
| 16:53.01 | AmmarkoV | sorry for the spam |
| 16:53.09 | AmmarkoV | angry birds :P |
| 16:53.14 | ratatata | nu |
| 16:53.28 | gnarface | freshly-squeezed: no sorry this: apt-cache search ^dhcp.client |
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| 16:54.01 | gnarface | freshly-squeezed: this works too but gives a couple false positives: apt-cache search dhcp.client |
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| 16:54.56 | gnarface | freshly-squeezed: if you want to read the details on one of them use: apt-cache show [package name] |
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| 16:56.39 | beowulf09us | hi |
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| 17:03.02 | diverdude | Are /etc/rc1.d/ scripts always inited before /etc/rc4.d/ scripts? |
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| 17:05.19 | gnarface | diverdude: no, you can't write the scripts making that assumption |
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| 17:05.34 | injureddeer | who use dm-crypt on whole hdd and why after made auto partitions i lost somewhere round 10G? |
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| 17:05.41 | gnarface | diverdude: the user can arbitrarily jump to any runlevel |
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| 17:06.16 | ChrisH | gnarface: why not? rc1.d/S* is expected to be executed before rc4.d/S* durcing startup and System V init |
| 17:06.23 | diverdude | gnarface: what is the runlevel then good for? |
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| 17:07.56 | gnarface | diverdude: if you want different sets of init scripts for different tasks maybe? |
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| 17:08.06 | gnarface | diverdude: *shrug* |
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| 17:08.58 | diverdude | gnarface: they must be there for a reason.i dont beleive they were just put there by random |
| 17:09.07 | gnarface | ChrisH: well for starters, debian doesn't even get to #4, by default, it stops at 2. for second, see my previous statement about how the runlevel can be changed by user input to any arbitrary one |
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| 17:10.21 | gnarface | diverdude: well there's six virtual terminals too by default, and most users only ever use 1 of them as well. i think its one of those expandability convention things that has been trivialized by the unforseen boom of commodity consumer-grade hardware |
| 17:10.49 | injureddeer | http://paste.debian.net/156505 |
| 17:10.54 | injureddeer | why? |
| 17:10.56 | gnarface | diverdude: aka, its all how you use it, but only advanced users probably ever find an excuse to |
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| 17:11.33 | injureddeer | http://paste.debian.net/156505 - why i have 147G nad where is around 7G? |
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| 17:12.18 | gnarface | diverdude: http://wiki.debian.org/RunLevel |
| 17:12.45 | ChrisH | gnarface: |
| 17:13.00 | gnarface | ChrisH: whatever you pasted there i got nothing |
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| 17:14.05 | ChrisH | gnarface: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-opersys.html#s-sysvinit matches my understanding of SystemV init, during bootup. If you change runlevl form 4 to 2 its different. Therefore I said: during bootup and System V given. With this depency based booting I am unsure. |
| 17:14.09 | babilen | injureddeer: Reserved for root |
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| 17:14.54 | gnarface | ChrisH: http://wiki.debian.org/RunLevel |
| 17:14.55 | babilen | injureddeer: Read "man mkfs.ext4" and "man tune2fs" on "reserved blocks" |
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| 17:16.29 | gnarface | ChrisH: by default debian only goes to init 2 |
| 17:16.47 | ChrisH | # |
| 17:16.58 | injureddeer | babilen: so all is good? |
| 17:17.01 | injureddeer | and this is normal? |
| 17:17.45 | bluenemo | is there a command to get the username for a certain user id (like 1000)? |
| 17:17.46 | babilen | injureddeer: All is good, the world is at peace and you will be given your Debian-styled kitten in a few minutes. |
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| 17:18.32 | jhutchins_wk | ,versions libreoffice |
| 17:18.33 | judd | Package: libreoffice on i386 -- squeeze-backports: 1:3.4.3-3~bpo60+1; sid: 1:3.4.5-2; wheezy: 1:3.4.5-2; experimental: 1:3.5.0-1 |
| 17:18.41 | injureddeer | bluenemo: grep id /etc/passwd ? |
| 17:19.03 | injureddeer | babilen: but really? and i dont need reinstall ? |
| 17:19.24 | injureddeer | i dont wanna lost 7-8G, but if this is normal with dm-crypt then ok |
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| 17:20.33 | ChrisH | gnarface: the original Q was independend of the default runlevel, at least I did understand it that way. |
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| 17:20.47 | bluenemo | injureddeer, is there no cleaner way? |
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| 17:22.28 | gnarface | ChrisH: he asked if it was safe to assume they'd always be executed in order, and i merely pointed out that no, they won't *always* necessarily be |
| 17:23.01 | gnarface | ChrisH: general assumptions don't make good init scripts |
| 17:23.18 | ChrisH | gnarface: ACK. |
| 17:23.19 | deltafoss | please guys, just mounted a ext4 filesystem on /mnt/usb. how do i run a program that has its dependencies in the "/" directory |
| 17:23.23 | Chowzzf | Screen question: Is there a way to remove the number sequence from screen's session name? I tried screen -S 'test session' however the name was still prepended by numbers when I listed it. "22297.testscreen" |
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| 17:24.15 | pzn | I'll install debian into an i386 embedded device, that means it is probably is going to be not-properly shutdown many times. should I use ext4, ext3, anyother? |
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| 17:25.55 | jhutchins_wk | deltafoss: Once the drive is mounted it becomes part of the / tree so you should be fine. If you get errors, ask us about the specific error. |
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| 17:27.30 | deltafoss | jhutchins_wk: dat's what i thought too. but, it appears the root directory started from /mnt/usb when i ran the program at /mnt/usb/bin |
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| 17:29.54 | jhutchins_wk | deltafoss: So the program is not set up to be run from there. Sounds like the code is not intended to be portable. What program from what source? |
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| 17:31.15 | babilen | injureddeer: yes, really |
| 17:31.32 | deltafoss | i installed samba from TP-Link router into a flash formated in ex3 filesystem because the inbuilt filesystem is not enough |
| 17:32.22 | deltafoss | the samba was compiled with busybox i guess |
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| 17:40.30 | Crypticfortune | Is there a "correct" way to automatically look at the build dependencies on a source package at get them "aptitude build-dep" style (but with a source package that isn't (yet) on an apt repository)? |
| 17:41.02 | Crypticfortune | ie, before i do dpkg-buildpackage, automagically get the dependencies for it? |
| 17:42.23 | somiaj | Cybertinus: the build-dep is contained in the source package metainfo |
| 17:42.34 | Crypticfortune | i suppose rather than just "look" i mean "attempt to resolve" as they can be quite complicated... |
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| 17:43.31 | themill | Crypticfortune: mk-build-deps from devscripts |
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| 17:45.09 | sunsun | hi i have a dualboot system with grub, and i normally booted into the debian, but it has become corrupted. i want to change grub's default os to vista (the other os on the drive), is there a way to change grub's default os from vista? |
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| 17:45.25 | omido | why the download links of the debian live have problems? |
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| 17:45.35 | omido | why they are not the latest release of debian ? |
| 17:45.36 | Crypticfortune | themill: hmmm so build a package to build a package? interesting... |
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| 17:47.02 | themill | Crypticfortune: you then let apt do all the work. There's direct support within cupt for this (for both people who use cupt) |
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| 17:47.52 | somiaj | Crypticfortune: build depends is just a list of -dev libaries needed. You can just get that list and feed it to apt-get or aptitude. You may need to be slightly careful if there are a bunch of or depends in the list, but basic idea is there. |
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| 17:48.17 | somiaj | omido: because the debian live team has not rebuilt the images yet. 6.0.4 is only a few weeks old and it takes a bit of time to build the new live images and then test them. |
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| 17:48.39 | omido | somiaj: the amd64 gnome live iso has problems |
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| 17:48.52 | omido | i have downloaded it twice but both times when the download finishes i get errors |
| 17:48.58 | omido | the live KDE is ok |
| 17:49.05 | Crypticfortune | themill: ahh I think I'll have to get aquainted with cupt ^^ |
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| 17:49.30 | somiaj | omido: I have the live gnome downloaded, and I got no errors when I downloaded it. I have yet to see if it actually works though as I don't like gnome |
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| 17:49.55 | omido | somiaj: amd 64? |
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| 17:51.12 | somiaj | omido: I haven't tried that one as I find i386 better live systems (so I don't have to worry about 64bit computers sepertally) |
| 17:51.24 | themill | Crypticfortune: this is hardly something that you do often enough that just running "mk-build-deps -i; apt-get -f install" isn't a problem for. And as a bonus, you get a nice package that you can remove later and let autoremove get rid of the packages you no longer want. |
| 17:51.34 | somiaj | omido: again, what gives you the error? Did you manually check the md5sum youself? |
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| 17:51.50 | omido | somiaj: no i'm newbie |
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| 17:51.59 | SerajewelKS | what would be a decent USB wireless NIC that'd work with kismet? (or should i ask ##hardware?) |
| 17:52.07 | themill | Crypticfortune: There are also other scripts such as /usr/lib/pbuilder/pbuilder-satisfydepends that do that in one step, but they don't use different package names each time so doing that more than once is problematic. |
| 17:52.12 | SerajewelKS | preferably one that also supports injection |
| 17:52.12 | somiaj | omido: well what gives you the error? How are you trying to download the image. All you said is you get an error |
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| 17:52.55 | somiaj | !tell SerajewelKS about kismet |
| 17:52.59 | omido | somiaj: i dont remember. i'm using Kget |
| 17:53.05 | somiaj | seems they have an irc chan |
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| 17:53.56 | somiaj | omido: Well you should download it with wget or something like that, then check the md5sum yourself. You could also check live.debian.net for info on how to report bugs if you really think the image is bad |
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| 17:54.39 | omido | What Desktop is best supported in debian? |
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| 17:55.33 | somiaj | depends on what your qualifications of support is. All packages in debian stable undergo similar stability/functionality testing. The major ones should all have decent support. |
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| 17:56.30 | omido | Should i download debian 6.0.3 or i better wait for 6.0.4 live cd? |
| 17:56.35 | somiaj | I personaly prefer a light weight window manager over a full desktop, but that is just my preference. Desktops like to have to much automatic stuff running in the background |
| 17:56.44 | omido | somiaj: I like live cd as it has many packages preinstalled |
| 17:56.57 | somiaj | omido: what is your final goal? |
| 17:57.01 | themill | omido: there's so little difference between the two I wouldn't worry too much about the versions. /msg dpkg 6.0.4 |
| 17:57.25 | omido | I want to use linux as my Operating system and do office work and internet on it |
| 17:57.36 | somiaj | omido: if you want a live version, the 6.0.3 is fine, if you want to install debian, the 6.0.3 is also fine (just upgrade to 6.0.4 once it is installed) or grab the netinstaller |
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| 17:58.45 | omido | somiaj: thankyou |
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| 17:59.01 | SerajewelKS | netinstall is the way to go |
| 17:59.53 | omido | My internet speed is low.my download is 10-20 kb/s |
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| 18:00.30 | engla | omido: if it's too slow, download the isos on a different computer? |
| 18:00.56 | omido | People told me that debian is suitable for offline users or users with limited and slow internet access |
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| 18:02.45 | somiaj | omido: you still have to get the data from somewhere. If you don't have access to another computer/internet connenction that you can download the cd images the netinstaller is still the way to go, because then you will only download the packages you want to install beyond that. |
| 18:03.01 | hotwings | where can i check if user inactivity is enabled? i dont have a desktop/windows manager/etc.. only xserver + vdr + lirc |
| 18:03.15 | somiaj | omido: but if you do have access to another internet connenction the live-cds install is nice as it will contain most things a user may want. |
| 18:03.33 | omido | I dont know what packages to install |
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| 18:07.05 | somiaj | omido: apt figures most of that out for you if you know what metapackages you want (i.e. the major name of the piece of software you want to use) |
| 18:07.50 | omido | somiaj: people at #linux told me that CentOS , Debian and slackware are suitable for my internet speed and offline usage |
| 18:08.01 | omido | i'm looking to test them |
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| 18:12.21 | Mike1 | how do I install wine on debian testing? Is there really no package in official repos and no repo I could add? |
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| 18:13.33 | engla | omido: you can use debdelta to reduce downloads needed for package upgrades after you've installed |
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| 18:14.09 | somiaj | omido: sure, but the issue still remains you do have to get the info off the inetnet. But yes debian stable gets only critical/security fixes and once it is installed the amount of downloading is small |
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| 18:17.17 | Iridos | Mike1, wine or wine-unstable in sid? |
| 18:17.41 | Iridos | also, note topic |
| 18:18.36 | Mike1 | oh |
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| 18:19.23 | Iridos | Mike1, afaik, mixing testing/sid is kind of ok, as versions stay quite close together. If you want to avoid that /msg dpkg ssb |
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| 18:21.34 | gnugr | Mike1: also you can add "deb http://www.lamaresh.net/apt squeeze main" in sources.list and you can get wine |
| 18:21.55 | engla | Mike1: I'd install playonlinux + wine from unstable, playonlinux will install any wine version |
| 18:22.56 | omido | thankyou engla and somiaj |
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| 18:23.12 | somiaj | Mike1: I'd compile wine from the upstream source, but I recntally saw some unoffical wine 1.4 packages made for sid you could look at |
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| 18:23.44 | archo43 | hi |
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| 18:27.13 | jelly-home | !tell Mike1 about wine-unstable |
| 18:27.22 | jaggz | how do I do a diff of two drives (which were supposed to be mirrored) so I can copy over just what changed? |
| 18:27.33 | jelly-home | Mike1: no repo, tho. |
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| 18:28.00 | jaggz | (I'll remove what i need to to keep the fakeraid management data) |
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| 18:30.42 | somiaj | jaggz: you could use rsync on the drives, which does just that |
| 18:30.46 | jaggz | or how do I otherwise unify the data (from one of them) |
| 18:30.47 | jaggz | ahhhh |
| 18:30.48 | jaggz | thanks :) |
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| 18:31.53 | somiaj | jaggz: note if both drives are modifing the files independentally rsync defaults to 'source' vs 'dest' drive, it makes the dest drive a mirror of the source |
| 18:32.13 | somiaj | jaggz: so if you have independent modifications want to diff then merge the changes on both in a sane way, might need a better tool |
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| 18:34.27 | ksuhku | omido, debian stable certainly gets very few updates so it might be a good choice for slow connection |
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| 18:35.29 | SmashingX | hello guys, I can't connect to my wireless network even though I give it the correct password. I have another computer using ubuntu with the same password and it's connected. Any suggestions? |
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| 18:36.15 | rozie | SmashingX: is wpa_supplicant installed? |
| 18:36.27 | somiaj | do you have the firmware for your wilress card installed from non-free? |
| 18:36.32 | SmashingX | how can I know? |
| 18:36.56 | somiaj | (as in ubuntu will install this non-free firmware by default, debian lets you know its non-free and gives you an additional step to install it) |
| 18:37.14 | somiaj | SmashingX: what is your wireless card? Also check dmesg for errors |
| 18:37.38 | SmashingX | it was connected before |
| 18:37.48 | SmashingX | but I changed the password of the wireless network |
| 18:38.00 | SmashingX | so I guess it was installed right |
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| 18:38.20 | rozie | maybe password is incompatibile with your card? |
| 18:38.25 | rozie | ;) |
| 18:38.33 | SmashingX | but In windows it does connect |
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| 18:38.47 | rozie | OK, with the card + OS combination |
| 18:38.53 | rozie | switch back to old password |
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| 18:39.19 | somiaj | SmashingX: what are you using to manage your network card? |
| 18:39.26 | SmashingX | I don't even remember what password was that |
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| 18:39.33 | somiaj | SmashingX: did you change the password from an wep to a wpa? |
| 18:39.44 | SmashingX | yeah i think so |
| 18:39.47 | SmashingX | to wpa2 |
| 18:39.59 | oZ__ | WEP is my fav. |
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| 18:40.08 | somiaj | SmashingX: probabaly just missing the wpasupplicant package |
| 18:40.11 | SmashingX | I can crack WEP |
| 18:40.18 | SmashingX | mhh |
| 18:40.23 | oZ__ | lol |
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| 18:40.26 | SmashingX | where can I get that? |
| 18:40.32 | somiaj | where do you get any package? |
| 18:40.33 | SimManiac | anyone here using wheezy? |
| 18:40.45 | SmashingX | do I have to look for specific one for my card? |
| 18:40.47 | oZ__ | Anybody can crack wep. |
| 18:40.51 | SimManiac | I've found a strange behaviour with hibernate/suspend |
| 18:40.53 | somiaj | SimManiac: bad question, if you want wheezy support irc.oftc.net and #debian-next |
| 18:41.01 | ironm | oZ__, NO .. I can not |
| 18:41.04 | somiaj | SimManiac: as a user of wheezy who finds a bug, one checks the bug reports |
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| 18:41.08 | oZ__ | ha |
| 18:41.37 | ironm | SimManiac, I use wheezy |
| 18:41.37 | SmashingX | I can show you how if you pay me 100 |
| 18:41.38 | SmashingX | lol |
| 18:41.43 | SimManiac | somiaj: I didn't finish :) The Debian bugs page for the linux-image package does not respond :( |
| 18:41.47 | ksuhku | ironm, yes you can, you just don't know it |
| 18:42.03 | SimManiac | ironm: did you update to linux-image-3.2 and hibernate/suspend keeps working? |
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| 18:42.14 | ironm | ksuhku, well .. I didn't look around how to do it ;) |
| 18:42.21 | ksuhku | :) |
| 18:42.35 | ironm | SimManiac, not until now |
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| 18:42.50 | sweetchili | hey guys. i having some issues installing debian. i'm unable to boot the installer disc. i have tried with i386 and amd64. i got this processor: Intel Core i5-2435M. ideas? should i download the ia64? |
| 18:43.06 | SimManiac | ironm: you didn't update? or didn't work? |
| 18:43.13 | nething | can I use dpkg to verify ownership? I've run chown in the wrong place and now I need to fix it |
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| 18:43.32 | ironm | SimManiac, I didn't update till now |
| 18:43.37 | SimManiac | nething: why not reinstall? |
| 18:43.42 | jaggz | somiaj, my raid mirror got desynced.. one drive ended up being used for a few days.. |
| 18:43.52 | nething | because the server in question is 400 miles away |
| 18:43.55 | SimManiac | ironm: ok, if you use hibernate/suspend give me feedback please :) |
| 18:43.56 | jaggz | so it'll be one direction only |
| 18:43.57 | nething | and it's only /var/lib |
| 18:44.01 | somiaj | jaggz: yea if you have a clear source/dest rsync is a great tool |
| 18:44.04 | ironm | sure SimManiac ;) |
| 18:44.25 | SimManiac | the issue: with 3.1, everything OK. After update to 3.2, it works BUT it auto-awakes |
| 18:44.26 | jaggz | rdiff also makes a special rdiff patch file.. not sure if I should just use rsync or not |
| 18:44.38 | SimManiac | so, I have a "quick reboot" feature |
| 18:44.40 | somiaj | jaggz: it also supports openssl (ssh), allwos me to keep my home dirs on my desktop and laptop the same, though I do run into the issue I modify my $HOME/docs dir sepertally on both machines and have to find a way to get them remerged |
| 18:44.49 | ironm | SimManiac, I still use 3.1 |
| 18:45.12 | somiaj | SimManiac: does your laptop work without a battery? |
| 18:45.18 | somiaj | SimManiac: I mean without being pluged in? |
| 18:45.23 | SimManiac | ironm: ok, I wanted to open a bug but as I said before, the page does not load :( |
| 18:45.34 | SimManiac | somiaj: it's a desktop PC |
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| 18:45.42 | somiaj | SimManiac: my laptop will wake up if the lid is open and it is pluged in. So I have to be careful when I suspend it for that reason. |
| 18:46.13 | somiaj | SimManiac: does it not work if it is running on the 3.1 kernel? |
| 18:46.16 | SimManiac | somiaj: It seems a kernel issue for me: I've rebooted with 3.1 and everything works fine. Reboot with 3.2 and the "reboot" thing happens again |
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| 18:47.30 | jaggz | somiaj: why doesn't rsync work for you in that case? handling the mtimes on your two systems, that is |
| 18:48.11 | ksuhku | sweetchili, amd64 is what you want |
| 18:48.24 | ksuhku | sweetchili, how did you burn the disc? |
| 18:48.44 | ksuhku | sweetchili, what happens when you try to boot it? |
| 18:48.48 | sweetchili | right click -> burn to disk (osx) |
| 18:48.56 | somiaj | jaggz: I just have to be careful, as in rsync has a clear source / dest setup. It doesn't compare the two systems and try to merge them. |
| 18:49.03 | sweetchili | it shows me grub |
| 18:49.09 | sweetchili | with my previous installed dist |
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| 18:49.23 | jaggz | yeah.. it should work with mtimes.. you'd need to run it both ways.. and be fearful of time changes |
| 18:49.28 | somiaj | jaggz: rsync has lots of options and if I'm careful I can get it done, but mostly I do different things on both machines, so I just rsync the subdirectories sepretally. |
| 18:49.49 | ksuhku | sweetchili, have you enabled booting from cd in BIOS? or whatever macs have... |
| 18:49.57 | SimManiac | sweetchili: it seems that you're booting from local disk, not from the CD/DVD unit |
| 18:50.04 | jaggz | a better sync system might be preferable.. one which says, "this file's timestamp is older.. yet I have been tracking the changes and, assuredly, it was modified more recently" |
| 18:50.24 | somiaj | jaggz: yea its never I modify the file sepertally its docs/proj1 and docs/proj2 are seperate, I find just rsycin subdirs easier to deal with than worrying about the timestamps |
| 18:50.27 | sweetchili | ksuhku: im not trying to install debian on my mac. |
| 18:50.56 | jaggz | and a few aliases or shell script wrappers? |
| 18:51.03 | sweetchili | SimManiac: yeah. i boot with f12 down brings me the a menu from which volume i wish to boot |
| 18:51.09 | jaggz | I've made bad (/lame?) rsync mistakes in the past.. weary of it |
| 18:51.12 | sweetchili | then i choose the dvd |
| 18:51.18 | somiaj | na, I just rsync ever week or so and I konw what files I've changed. |
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| 18:51.31 | sweetchili | seams like its just ignoring the disc |
| 18:51.34 | ROKO__ | hello |
| 18:51.51 | ROKO__ | zendoptimizer does same like zend optimizer from offitial site ? |
| 18:52.00 | ROKO__ | ops |
| 18:52.03 | ROKO__ | zendframework* |
| 18:52.19 | injureddeer | babilen: thx |
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| 18:52.52 | ksuhku | sweetchili, you using a dvd disc instead of a cd? |
| 18:53.05 | sweetchili | ksuhku: yes |
| 18:53.24 | ksuhku | sweetchili, wonder if that could be trouble |
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| 18:55.41 | sweetchili | ksuhku: if thats the case it would be very strange |
| 18:55.58 | somiaj | could it have just been a bad burn, does the dvd boot off another machine just fine? |
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| 18:56.20 | kesroesweyth | One of my debian servers still shows an IPv6 address on eth0 from a subnet that is no longer being advertised on my network. Is there a way other than rebooting to get that IP off the interface? |
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| 18:57.00 | somiaj | jaggz: yup, which is why it is important to realize that rsync is not a backup program. I backup program could recover from /lame mistakes by restoring a privious version of the system. |
| 18:57.39 | somiaj | kesroesweyth: of course, how are your devices configured? Do you use the /etc/network/interfaces file or some network-manager? |
| 18:58.03 | Dagger3 | kesroesweyth: `ip addr del 2001:470:blah:blah::etc/64 dev eth0` |
| 18:58.07 | sweetchili | somiaj: i dont know actually. i've burned 4 discs now |
| 18:58.18 | kesroesweyth | For IPv6, it is automatic, so I'm not sure. |
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| 18:58.30 | kesroesweyth | Dagger3, thanks I'll try that |
| 18:58.35 | sweetchili | none of them lets me boot the installer. ohhh so sad... |
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| 18:58.59 | hotwings | how do you disable 'user inactivity' from command line? |
| 18:59.00 | somiaj | kesroesweyth: depending on how it is setup could depend on the path, but yes as Dagger3 suggested you can use ifconfig and just modify things. |
| 18:59.08 | somiaj | hotwings: what is user inactivity? |
| 18:59.15 | somiaj | hotwings: I mean what is it you want to really disable? |
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| 18:59.28 | kesroesweyth | thanks somiaj |
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| 18:59.50 | Dagger3 | small kittens die every time you use ifconfig. use ip for this sort of stuff |
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| 19:00.19 | somiaj | Dagger3: the world has to many small kittens, I'm doing it a favor. |
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| 19:01.06 | jaggz | grr: delta-transmission disabled for local transfer or --whole-file |
| 19:01.16 | babilen | somiaj: lies! (and horrible spelling of favour -- /me wanders off to #d-ot) |
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| 19:01.37 | jaggz | #d-ot? |
| 19:01.50 | babilen | jaggz: #debian-offtopic (our social chat channel) |
| 19:02.03 | jaggz | :) thanks |
| 19:02.07 | babilen | np |
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| 19:09.53 | nething | recovered in the end by using getfacl -R /var/lib on an almost identical server and setfacl on the server I'd messed up/ |
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| 19:12.52 | Pinchiukas | Doesn't Debian have drivers for VMWare? |
| 19:13.44 | somiaj | Pinchiukas: what kind of drivers, 'apt-cache search vmware' may help you |
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| 19:17.01 | archo43 | doesnt debian have drivers for bosch washing machines? |
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| 19:20.59 | archo43 | oh i guess not |
| 19:21.07 | SimManiac | archo43: aptitude search bosch |
| 19:21.20 | SimManiac | (yes, I know, you were being sarcastic :P) |
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| 19:22.24 | archo43 | SimManiac, no i really need to stop my washing machine |
| 19:22.31 | archo43 | its going on and starting to smash up my kitchen |
| 19:22.45 | SimManiac | did you try to pull the plug off? |
| 19:22.49 | SimManiac | that sometimes work |
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| 19:23.01 | archo43 | im a bit afraid, cant i use debian to turn it off? |
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| 19:23.36 | SimManiac | sure |
| 19:24.08 | engla | my appliance is smashing things -- now how do I compile this bosch driver? |
| 19:25.56 | archo43 | argh its heading towards the door |
| 19:25.58 | archo43 | i think its got a virus |
| 19:26.00 | archo43 | please help! |
| 19:26.21 | jelly-home | archo43: DESIST |
| 19:26.22 | SimManiac | archo43: have you tried turning it off and on again? |
| 19:26.32 | archo43 | its on full cycle |
| 19:26.55 | archo43 | im not touching it |
| 19:27.13 | SimManiac | ok ok |
| 19:27.15 | SimManiac | don't panic |
| 19:27.30 | SimManiac | we've sent a team of expert systems engineers right to your house |
| 19:27.40 | archo43 | oh thank god |
| 19:27.46 | dmbaturin | archo43: Does the washing machine run debian? |
| 19:27.48 | SimManiac | find a safe place and hide there untill they knock your door |
| 19:28.06 | SimManiac | they'll be there in a moment |
| 19:28.07 | archo43 | i dont know, but it came with some cds |
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| 19:28.16 | archo43 | dmbaturin |
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| 19:29.02 | dmbaturin | archo43: You should implement an XML-RPC interface for controlling it remotely. |
| 19:29.25 | archo43 | quickly! how do i do that? |
| 19:29.28 | archo43 | its smashing up my dishes |
| 19:29.49 | SimManiac | OK DON'T WORRY ABOUT THE DISHES, THAT'S SOMETHING YOU WILL HAVE TO LIVE WITH! |
| 19:29.55 | SimManiac | now keep calm |
| 19:30.06 | SimManiac | you'll have to learn to program in XML |
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| 19:30.16 | SimManiac | (that's the language of the future) |
| 19:30.17 | archo43 | is that like html? |
| 19:30.26 | SimManiac | NO, IT'S EVEN BETTER! |
| 19:30.34 | SimManiac | it's like you can reinvent html! |
| 19:30.36 | dmbaturin | "aptitude search xmlrpc" shows bindings for lua, php and java at least. |
| 19:30.42 | archo43 | i can barely program hello world in bais |
| 19:30.45 | archo43 | basic |
| 19:31.01 | SimManiac | ok, you will have to write an XML parser in basic |
| 19:31.11 | archo43 | oh god... nooo... my cat!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 19:31.13 | SimManiac | I'm afraid there are no basic bindings :/ |
| 19:31.21 | SimManiac | oh damn it's getting bat |
| 19:31.26 | SimManiac | WHERE ARE THOSE ENGINEERS??? |
| 19:31.49 | dmbaturin | archo43: You always can recover your /bin/cat by re-installing binutils. |
| 19:31.52 | jhutchins_wk | Guys, this kind of fun belongs elsewhere, like #debian-offtopic please. |
| 19:31.53 | nooo | oh god... architekt... my cat!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! >_> |
| 19:32.03 | dmbaturin | Or where's it now, not sure. |
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| 19:32.24 | archo43 | jhutchins_wk ive got like 3 holes in my kitchen walls |
| 19:32.56 | SimManiac | jhutchins: ok sorry :P |
| 19:33.54 | archo43 | urgh... if i dont make it... tell my wife... that i l.... ike to be burried with all my money |
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| 19:39.25 | sweetchili | can you say to grub to boot from cd? |
| 19:39.40 | sweetchili | or am i way off now? |
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| 19:41.44 | gnarface | there's a way to do that sweetchili i think you maybe want to look into chainloading |
| 19:41.53 | archo43 | sweet jesus wont anyone help me !!! |
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| 19:46.52 | DebianDebian123 | i can't install amarok on Debian 6 |
| 19:47.01 | DebianDebian123 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:47.07 | DebianDebian123 | i try sudo apt-get install amarok |
| 19:47.11 | jelly-home | ,versions amarok |
| 19:47.12 | DebianDebian123 | but not work for me |
| 19:47.13 | judd | Package: amarok on i386 -- lenny: 1.4.10-2lenny1; squeeze: 2.3.1-1; squeeze-backports: 2.4.1-1~bpo60+1; sid: 2.5.0-1; wheezy: 2.5.0-1 |
| 19:47.28 | jelly-home | !tell DebianDebian123 about bat |
| 19:47.37 | jelly-home | DebianDebian123: how did it fail to work? |
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| 19:58.05 | kossakov | what can i do, when fdisk -l shows nothing and no other (known to me) soft eithr, to get to hdd space? |
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| 20:00.01 | jimmyb | sup |
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| 20:00.28 | Natureshadow_Win | For some reason I am too stupid to find an hint on how to properly set the default keymap for GDM 3 ... |
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| 20:02.22 | Vasistha | Iridos: I basically rewrote http://wiki.debian.org/iPhone - would love your input |
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| 20:02.59 | LtL | kossakov: you must be root |
| 20:03.06 | kossakov | i am |
| 20:03.23 | LtL | kossakov: fdisk -l shows no ouput? |
| 20:03.32 | kossakov | yep |
| 20:03.49 | LtL | kossakov: you running debian? |
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| 20:03.55 | kossakov | kubuntu |
| 20:04.13 | LtL | kossakov: /join #ubuntu |
| 20:04.47 | Younos | :) |
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| 20:04.59 | kossakov | heh, ok, thx |
| 20:05.27 | shaun- | shizzle wizzle woo |
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| 20:16.24 | ironm | hello. squeeze uses gpg (GnuPG) 1.4.10 |
| 20:16.49 | chowder | hey all. I'm having trouble finding a more current how-to on installing gnome3 in wheezy. I believe I have to do a lot more than just install gnome3-session. Am I correct in this assumption? |
| 20:17.04 | ironm | the current one (1.4.12) has been announced few days ago. |
| 20:17.19 | valdyn | ironm: so? |
| 20:17.27 | ironm | does it make sense to upgrade ? |
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| 20:17.40 | valdyn | ironm: read the changelog |
| 20:17.58 | ironm | valdyn, I did |
| 20:18.08 | valdyn | ironm: so? does it make sense?ß |
| 20:18.48 | ironm | valdyn, due to possible security wholes .. |
| 20:18.51 | ironm | http://lists.gnupg.org/pipermail/gnupg-announce/2012q1/000313.html |
| 20:19.07 | ironm | valdyn, maybe I am missing some info |
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| 20:19.48 | valdyn | ironm: i dont see anything important in that changelog |
| 20:19.48 | ironm | valdyn, is there a patch to allow DSA keys with more than 3072 Bits? .. like 4096 Bits ? |
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| 20:26.05 | MrTorque | Hi. I always need to do an ifup eth0 after booting. how do i automate this? |
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| 20:26.31 | ___nolife | edit /etc/rc.local (my favrite) alternative search through /etc/network |
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| 20:26.42 | Vasistha | MrTorque: in /etc/network/interfaces you can add "auto eth0" before the iface eth0 line(s) |
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| 20:27.00 | Vasistha | MrTorque: ...or you can use networkmanager |
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| 20:27.09 | jhutchins_wk | ___nolife: That shouldn't be necessary. Please fix your nic. |
| 20:27.18 | ___nolife | I've not asked;) |
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| 20:28.03 | MrTorque | Vasistha: i use the machine as ssh server, no gui on it. The interface needs to be configured manually. i did the changes and also did auto eth0 before the manual settings. |
| 20:28.06 | Vasistha | isn't there a place where old testing/unstable debs are stored? The ones which are more recent than stable but which have been superceded by the current versions? |
| 20:28.18 | MrTorque | auto eth0 is for dhcp, isn't it? |
| 20:28.22 | vbrummond | Vasistha: snapshot.debian.org |
| 20:28.29 | Vasistha | vbrummond: that's it! thanks |
| 20:28.30 | jhutchins_wk | MrTorque: Figure out why it's not coming up. Check dmesg. |
| 20:28.37 | vbrummond | np :) |
| 20:28.48 | jhutchins_wk | MrTorque: You also need a line that defines the configuration, static or dhcp. |
| 20:28.49 | Vasistha | MrTorque: I believe networkmanager has a CLI mode, and auto eth0 is not just for dhcp, it is for static also |
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| 20:29.29 | MrTorque | jhutchins_wk: i have that line. my interface comes up correctly after ifup eth0 |
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| 20:29.39 | klync | i see that `ssh-keygen -F $name` will search ~/.ssh/known_hosts for a given $name; but, how do I list (or just unhash) *all* the hosts in that file? |
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| 20:30.13 | MrTorque | Vasistha: okay, need to check next time i have physical access to the machine. if i do a reeboot and the interface dont come up, i would not have access to the machine -.- |
| 20:30.14 | SimManiac | MrTorque: you need to put "auto eth0 <whatever" |
| 20:30.21 | SimManiac | or "allow-hotplug eth0 <whatever>" |
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| 20:30.52 | Vasistha | klync: hashes are one way, you can't go back |
| 20:30.53 | ___nolife | MrTorque you can edit /etc/rc.local and add any commands you wish to be done after startup, it's one of the last scripts that are executed during bootup |
| 20:30.58 | jhutchins_wk | MrTorque: man interfaces gives good examples for auto/allow-hotplug and for static/dhcp. |
| 20:31.04 | MrTorque | SimManiac: in which line? Line 2 or 6 in http://pastebin.com/CUj7kCW9? |
| 20:31.20 | klync | Vasistha: hrm ... ok, thanks; hadn't thought about that |
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| 20:31.33 | MrTorque | ___nolife: hm, i see. that would be a workaround |
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| 20:32.06 | SimManiac | uhm, your configuration file seems fine :/ |
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| 20:32.25 | Pinchiukas | somiaj: I can't install Debian on VMWare cause it doesn't see the disk. |
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| 20:33.24 | MrTorque | SimManiac: hm... okay, then i will check dmesg next time i have physical access or do ___nolifes workaround |
| 20:33.37 | jhutchins_wk | MrTorque: Most of the time I see the interface definition after the auto... line as opposed to both auto lines then both definitions. You could try moving the lo definition above auto eth0 and see if that works. |
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| 20:34.31 | jhutchins_wk | MrTorque: Again, examples in man interfaces if you need a reference when you get on-site. |
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| 20:34.46 | MrTorque | jhutchins_wk: okay, i will try that. |
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| 20:37.35 | MrTorque | Thank you for your suggestions! |
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| 20:40.44 | juozapas | hi |
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| 20:43.05 | LtL | juozapas: greetings |
| 20:43.20 | juozapas | i set lease time in dhclient.conf for 3600 but from /var/log/syslog i can see that dhclient request ip every ~150s ( i see many "renewal in ~148 seconds" messages). Do u have idea where is a problem ? |
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| 20:44.07 | nand` | Is there a good free alternative to the Flash video player that I can use to, for example, watching videos on websites that don't offer HTML5 <video> alternatives? |
| 20:44.18 | nand` | Or live streams on websites such as own3d.tv |
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| 20:45.21 | shaun- | nand`: html5. or h264 |
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| 20:45.49 | engla | nand`: try gnash and report back? I haven't tried it. |
| 20:45.51 | vbrummond | nand`: highly likely not; you can try gnash (in the debian repos) or lightspark (might be in unstable or something). I know they work with youtube but I never had other videos work |
| 20:46.00 | nand` | h264 isn't free, and the only site I know that supports html5 <video> is youtube |
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| 20:46.14 | nand` | (And wikipedia, obviously) |
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| 20:46.40 | nand` | Hmm. I have the gnash package installed but it doesn't do anything |
| 20:46.53 | nand` | As in, I don't have the plugin in my browser |
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| 20:47.04 | vbrummond | try "browser-plugin-gnash" |
| 20:47.17 | vbrummond | also i think libx264 is in main so it must be free |
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| 20:48.31 | nand` | vbrummond: x264 is a free H.264 encoder, the codec itself is not free though. That's why browsers such as Firefox can't include decoders |
| 20:49.03 | vbrummond | well; i am saying it did not used to be in main and now it is |
| 20:49.40 | vbrummond | i dunno why, it just is :P |
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| 20:49.56 | nand` | vbrummond: browser-plugin-gnash did the trick, thanks |
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| 20:50.02 | sephii | is there a way to watch a directory for changes and invoke a command when a change occur on a file/directory? I know there's inotify, and I could write a program using this, but I'd like to know if there's already something existing allowing to do such a thing |
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| 20:50.10 | vbrummond | have fun :) |
| 20:50.44 | nand` | vbrummond: Unfortunately the own3d.tv player does not seem to be compatible with gnash :( |
| 20:50.54 | engla | sephii: there is inotify-tools and probably better stuff |
| 20:50.55 | nkuttler | Carmivore: for the record.. i really don't appreciate that you make information available for the public so easily... http://carmivore.com/nkuttler |
| 20:51.07 | vbrummond | nand`: I assumed this would be the case. |
| 20:51.12 | engla | sephii: you've got access to inotify if you use GIO/Glib's file watchers too from python etc. |
| 20:51.18 | vbrummond | it works for some flash games but not many videos |
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| 20:51.22 | nkuttler | Carmivore: i consider that information semi-private. if people want to know when i am somewhere they can join the channels |
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| 20:52.11 | nand` | vbrummond: That's a shame. Am I deprived of my delicious streams or is there a silver lining? |
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| 20:53.02 | engla | nkuttler: thanks for bringing that to attention.. that's very creepy |
| 20:53.02 | vbrummond | one can try to compile lightspark is all i know :P |
| 20:53.03 | shaun- | nand`: silverlight (if you want teh silver lining) |
| 20:53.06 | shaun- | ;) |
| 20:53.21 | sephii | engla: yeah maybe I could write a simple bash script that uses inotifywait and spawns the command when inotifywait exits. thanks for the pointer |
| 20:53.21 | nand` | A free silver lining preferably :) |
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| 20:54.01 | rednovae | how do i manually specify dns? /etc/resolv.conf doesn't seem to exist |
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| 20:54.40 | lstarnes | rednovae: then make it |
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| 20:56.18 | Younos | echo "nameserver 8.8.8.8" > /etc/resolv.conf or something |
| 20:57.04 | nand` | Alternatively I'll have to bite the bullet and install flash-nonfree but I don't want to open the huge security risk it provides |
| 20:57.12 | nand` | maybe I'll just disable/enable the plugin whenever I need it |
| 20:57.20 | SimManiac | or install a DNS cache and point it to 127.0.0.1 (or whatever IP you have it bound) |
| 20:57.49 | SimManiac | point it == point /etc/resolv.conf, not your dns cacher :) |
| 20:58.26 | Younos | yea running your own nameserver is prolly the best |
| 20:58.26 | shaun- | nand`: it's more the fact that if you're on a laptop it'll eat your battery |
| 20:58.40 | shaun- | the best thing Apple ever did was kill Flash |
| 20:59.06 | nand` | shaun-: I'm not on a laptop :) |
| 20:59.13 | stockholm | they have not executed on it yet |
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| 20:59.34 | engla | and now if we could kill h264 in html5 |
| 20:59.34 | abrotman | shaun-: except, they didn't |
| 20:59.41 | shaun- | buggy, bloaty, memory hog. with shite security to boot. why the planet use it is probably along the same reason as why people still use NAT and FTP |
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| 21:00.00 | Younos | engla: whats the problem with h264? |
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| 21:00.14 | shaun- | abrotman: funny how they (Adobe) gave up on it completely, soon after APple made their stance. Just co-incidence I guess. |
| 21:00.21 | engla | Younos: as mentioned above, it's patent encumbered and not royalty free |
| 21:00.49 | Younos | oh ok, that's a problem |
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| 21:01.04 | nand` | I want a free video codec that can rival h264 for all video sources :( |
| 21:01.06 | abrotman | shaun-: so many other companies have been pushing html5 .. including google |
| 21:01.16 | Steve[mbp] | has anyone been able to get the unity-greeter to compile on debian? |
| 21:01.21 | nand` | theora is not yet a suitable replacement for eg. a blu-ray movie |
| 21:01.22 | abrotman | shaun-: i think it was an entire industry trying to get away from flash |
| 21:01.26 | shaun- | abrotman: which is a great thing. |
| 21:01.49 | shaun- | so many things often survive for all the wrong reasons. we are stil using telex. and EDI |
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| 21:02.07 | abrotman | EDI could be worse .. |
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| 21:02.29 | shaun- | abrotman: you heard of AS2 ? |
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| 21:02.47 | abrotman | i'm just saying .. could be worse! |
| 21:02.52 | engla | Can anyone guess why google has said it will no longer support h264 in chrome, but they still do? |
| 21:03.12 | abrotman | engla: webm or wahtever it's called |
| 21:03.15 | shaun- | engla: chrome will go html5 and dart. |
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| 21:03.53 | engla | abrotman: yeah but why are they delaying? They said they were dropping h264 a long time ago.. |
| 21:04.07 | shaun- | interesting how cisco have a pop at M$ over open video standards in the Skype deal. Good on Cisco. I mean in teh open standards call. |
| 21:04.19 | abrotman | who knows, ask them |
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| 21:04.30 | engla | it's a year ago, http://blog.chromium.org/2011/01/html-video-codec-support-in-chrome.html |
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| 21:06.06 | shaun- | might have to have a go at this artwork challenge for Wheezy |
| 21:06.21 | shaun- | bring out The Gimp (pardon the pun) |
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| 21:07.22 | engla | let's contrast fedora with a vegan-hippy theme |
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| 21:09.54 | shaun- | engla: cyberhippies |
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| 21:11.23 | shaun- | my mate is a graphci designer. might get him on board. he likes a challenge |
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| 21:12.28 | dark|angel | hey there |
| 21:13.14 | shaun- | hello mr dark|angel |
| 21:13.44 | dark|angel | I've just installed Debian 6.0 on my VPS, updated everything. I have found something weird do: I got a 64 character root password, but if I type only the first 8 it will still log me in as root. This is pretty unsafe. Any way that I can fix this? Any help would be appreciated. |
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| 21:14.48 | shaun- | dark|angel: you sure your password isn't really just 8 chars? |
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| 21:15.43 | Sefid_par | What is the best software for burning cd/dvd in linux? |
| 21:15.49 | RichiH | !best |
| 21:15.49 | dpkg | Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
| 21:15.52 | dark|angel | shaun- my password is something like this (a randomly generated string): swerumapredachehafupejefehasasterareFrepr7qeretewewrugetratupres |
| 21:15.56 | RichiH | fwiw, i like k3b |
| 21:15.57 | Sefid_par | The most reliable |
| 21:16.09 | dark|angel | but if I type in the first 8 characters, it will still log me in |
| 21:16.22 | robokop | dark|angel: what does /etc/pam.d/common-password say? |
| 21:16.23 | RichiH | Sefid_par: they all use the same back-end, anyway |
| 21:16.27 | engla | dark|angel: it sounds familiar but that debian stable would behave like that is surprising |
| 21:16.32 | abrotman | Sefid_par:most use the same backend |
| 21:16.42 | abrotman | Sefid_par: what is your EM/DE ? |
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| 21:17.18 | dark|angel | robokop common-password is missing from /etc/pam.d |
| 21:17.26 | Sefid_par | I use ubuntu 11.10 |
| 21:17.32 | RichiH | !ubuntu |
| 21:17.33 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
| 21:17.49 | abrotman | Sefid_par: plase ask #ubuntu, have a nice day |
| 21:18.08 | Sefid_par | Thanks abrotman, RichiH |
| 21:18.13 | abrotman | dark|angel: i think that's normal .. got rolled into someting else i think |
| 21:18.53 | dark|angel | well, I would say that's pretty unsafe. I know that back in the the Unix passwords where only 8 characters, but that was a long time ago |
| 21:19.14 | dark|angel | the fact that my password is 64 caharcters, and I can login by using only 8 is dangereus |
| 21:19.18 | RichiH | Sefid_par: no problem, and good luck :) |
| 21:19.41 | engla | dark|angel: possibly you must change the hash algorithm used. but I don't know how to migrate |
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| 21:20.01 | dark|angel | engla I would assume that as well... |
| 21:20.10 | shaun- | dark|angel: you loggin in via ssh? |
| 21:20.19 | dark|angel | yes |
| 21:20.22 | dark|angel | shaun- yes |
| 21:20.50 | shaun- | dark|angel: well as you know, password authentication is more vulnerable than using key based. so i'd do that first anyway |
| 21:21.15 | dark|angel | shaun- funny thing is that other debian forks like Ubuntu don't behave like this when I run them on my VPS, so I assume that there is something worng with the Debian 6 xen template |
| 21:21.26 | shaun- | ubuntu isn't a fork |
| 21:21.40 | dark|angel | shaun- I know, it's based on Debian... |
| 21:22.11 | shaun- | dark|angel: if you think it's a bug report it via reportbug. have you tried changing the password via passwd youself ? |
| 21:22.13 | dark|angel | shaun- I'd rather fix my vulnerability do and keep using Debian 6, since otherwise nothing beats the simplicity of setting up Debian |
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| 21:22.34 | dark|angel | shaun- let me try that. |
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| 21:22.56 | dark|angel | shaun- how do I change the hash algorithm do? |
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| 21:23.16 | shaun- | dark|angel: I'm not sure. Iv'e never changed it from the default. |
| 21:23.26 | Ool | see /etc/pam.d/common-password |
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| 21:23.52 | dark|angel | shaun- I changed it with passwd |
| 21:24.11 | dark|angel | shaun- now it doens |
| 21:24.20 | dark|angel | shaun- now it doens't log in with 8 characters anymore |
| 21:24.28 | dark|angel | shaun- damn SolusVM |
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| 21:25.02 | shaun- | dark|angel: :) |
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| 21:25.50 | dark|angel | shaun- the people at Solus Labs need to be lashed, 50 lashes each. The only distro that doesn't have issues with their software is CentOS |
| 21:25.51 | shaun- | dark|angel: now change the ssh port to something other than 22, and use keybased authentication. :) |
| 21:26.16 | shaun- | i get lots of hack attacks on my boxes where i dont do this |
| 21:26.28 | shaun- | (thought funny to read the emails from cron) |
| 21:26.36 | dark|angel | shaun- that's not a bad idea, thanks. By the way, how can I simulate ssh on port 22? It would keep the script kiddies bussy and not looking for a different ssh port |
| 21:26.43 | shaun- | dark|angel: nc |
| 21:26.53 | dark|angel | shaun- nc? |
| 21:27.04 | dark|angel | nc = norton commander - lol |
| 21:27.18 | shaun- | also look into tarpit if you really want to piss off the skriptkiddies. nc = netcat. swiss army knife. the new telnet. very useful |
| 21:27.19 | simonlnu | netcat |
| 21:27.25 | simonlnu | the command is nc |
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| 21:27.56 | shaun- | dark|angel: have fun with your debian 6. it's a great release |
| 21:28.02 | dark|angel | I know, but I remember from like 1991 when I was using nc, and back then it was norton commander. of course back then I was like 11 years old |
| 21:28.15 | dark|angel | shaun- that it is indeed:) |
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| 21:29.49 | rednovae | while trying to install build-essential, it tells me build-essential is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
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| 21:30.32 | dark|angel | shaun- is ufw a good tool to configure the firewall? I find it very easy to use |
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| 21:31.45 | shaun- | dark|angel: i just use iptables |
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| 21:32.09 | shaun- | in fact i've not heard of ufw |
| 21:32.22 | dark|angel | shaun- do you know a good tutorial for iptables that won't make me pull my hair out? |
| 21:32.31 | jhutchins_wk | I use shorewall simply because it lets me do shorewall drop <ip> which is quick and easy. It's really overkill for a basic firewall. |
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| 21:32.44 | dark|angel | shaun- ufw was developed by Ubuntu, and then also ported to debian |
| 21:33.07 | shaun- | dark|angel: hmmm not sure. im a bit of man page freak so i don't really read tutorials. i know im alone in this probably lol |
| 21:33.34 | shaun- | dark|angel: i've heard good thinks about shorewall like jhutchins_wk mentioned |
| 21:33.50 | dark|angel | shaun- Valentines day was 2 days ago, and even then I couldn't love man pages, lol |
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| 21:34.09 | shaun- | dark|angel: iptables isn't really that complicated but I guess it depends on what you're used to already. what do you currently use as a fireweall and how do you configure it? |
| 21:34.21 | zachc | out of sheer curiosity, is it possible to downgrade in debian |
| 21:34.28 | shaun- | zachc: not automatically |
| 21:35.00 | zachc | I'm used to debian sid, but recently decided to do debian stable for a work computer that I need to make sure things never break on, but I got bored and put it on debian testing, and now my rdp client broke, which I kinda need |
| 21:35.03 | dark|angel | shaun- I'll look into it. What I have found interesting about ufw is that once you enable it, and you try to connect to a port that has nothing on it (i.e. it's really closed), it won't tell you immediately, but delay and delay and ... delay you. it can make a porrt scanner go crazy |
| 21:35.22 | zachc | I've never really thought of it but is it possibly to go from testing, slowly back to stable? |
| 21:35.25 | jhutchins_wk | dark|angel: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/IP-Masquerade-HOWTO/ |
| 21:35.39 | dark|angel | shaun - I use UFW currently. it was the easiest to setup, and it works. |
| 21:35.41 | shaun- | dark|angel: bit like tarpit. though I don't tend to get port scanned regularly. |
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| 21:35.55 | shaun- | dark|angel: will look into it. always interested in learning new things :) |
| 21:36.02 | jhutchins_wk | dark|angel: If you need more, http://www.trinityos.com/LINUX/index-linux.html |
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| 21:36.20 | shaun- | zachc: it is sometimes possible though can be very painful |
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| 21:36.32 | dark|angel | shaun- well, at least both Debian and Ubuntu have great firewall tools. every now and then I have to work with CentOS, and it's a mess |
| 21:36.51 | vbrummond | zachc: probably however it is certainly unsupported and it would probably be less painful to backup and reinstall. |
| 21:37.04 | shaun- | dark|angel: isn't the only difference the fact that they're different userland tools to configure the same kernel firewallign code? |
| 21:37.26 | jhutchins_wk | !downgrade |
| 21:37.27 | dpkg | [downgrade] Downgrading is not possible with apt-get/aptitude and no future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. See also <partial downgrade>, <unstable->testing>, <sdo>. |
| 21:37.40 | SimManiac | dark|angel: so, it was dropping packets? |
| 21:38.06 | SimManiac | dark|angel: easier than shorewall? |
| 21:38.08 | shaun- | SimManiac: sounds like it was keeping half open conections in a wait state, intentionally |
| 21:38.14 | dark|angel | shaun- well, when you're used to the neat way of Debian configuration files, and you get into CentOS where the cram allot of stuff in a single file (i.e. PHP config files on Debian are one file on CentOS), that gets annoying at times |
| 21:38.14 | zachc | vbrummond: supported? this isn't some rhel that I'm paying for. I don't use debian for "support" I use debian because of the principals, the philosophy, the stability, the history, the community, the power, the documentation |
| 21:38.41 | dark|angel | SimManiac ufw means Uncomplicated FireWall |
| 21:38.51 | vbrummond | zachc: if you read the answer above you will understand what I mean; dont lecture me on your intent please |
| 21:38.59 | SimManiac | darkskiez: and shorewall means shorewline firewall (¿?) |
| 21:39.13 | dark|angel | SimManiac for example if you don't know your ports, you can tell ufw something like "ufw slow ssh" |
| 21:39.14 | SimManiac | *shoreline |
| 21:39.24 | dark|angel | and it will slow down ssh login attempts on failure |
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| 21:39.41 | shaun- | dark|angel: does this ufw just create iptables rules? |
| 21:39.42 | dark|angel | until you miss more than say 3 times, you get a 5 minute break and so on |
| 21:39.55 | dark|angel | shaun- yes, it's an iptables wrapper |
| 21:40.01 | SimManiac | shaun-: is there another way? |
| 21:40.06 | jhutchins_wk | SimManiac: Shorewall is pretty cumbersome to set up and does a lot of stuff that most users don't need. |
| 21:40.09 | SimManiac | that you can interact with netfilter? |
| 21:40.19 | jhutchins_wk | SimManiac: Once it's set up it's pretty easy to maintain though. |
| 21:40.26 | SimManiac | jhutchins: well, I find it very easy for simple setups |
| 21:40.27 | shaun- | dark|angel: ok so i guess it's just using the rate limit and tarpit targets then |
| 21:40.28 | SimManiac | yep |
| 21:40.33 | dark|angel | I think UFW was created for the less technical user |
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| 21:40.46 | dark|angel | shaun- yes |
| 21:40.47 | jhutchins_wk | SimManiac: You find shorewall easy? |
| 21:41.01 | shaun- | dark|angel: well if it came from Ubuntu then almost certainly. there the focus is on getting it done and not concernign the user with how its done |
| 21:41.05 | dark|angel | shaun- like I said, firewall tool for the rest of us |
| 21:41.12 | shaun- | dark|angel: which is no bad thing :) |
| 21:41.46 | shaun- | dark|angel: afterwards when yoiu're curious what it's doing behind the scenes you can just do an iptables -L -v -n |
| 21:41.57 | dark|angel | shaun- what I like about it is that as soon as you enable it it closes down all your ports. you have to make sure you tell it to leave your ssh port open and slow down the rate before you log out |
| 21:42.25 | dark|angel | shaun- I'll do that. I got a brand new server to setup here with Debian 6 :) |
| 21:42.39 | shaun- | dark|angel: you should also look into port knocking. security through obscurity but fun |
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| 21:44.26 | w00tb0t | sup |
| 21:44.31 | dark|angel | shaun- I'll do that. I had a VPS at turnkeyinternet.com and it got hacked. I was running Debian 6, had root login disabled. It was a brute force attack I assume. All they did with it was to use it as a cover to hack something else. sad thing is that this happens to many others on a daily basis |
| 21:46.20 | shaun- | dark|angel: we had one of our www servers hacked on Sunday. happens. with ssh just make sure you use rsa keys and use keybased authentication. make sure you password protect your private key and use an agent if typing tyhe passphrase often pisses you off |
| 21:46.28 | sieson | I am trying split a 4.7 GB text file into 10000 line files but split only creates one file which is exactly the same size as the original file. Is there a maximum file size that split can handle? |
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| 21:46.52 | zachc | god I love debian, dist-upgrade fixed my rdp client |
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| 21:47.17 | shaun- | zachc: which one you use? |
| 21:47.21 | zachc | remmina |
| 21:47.36 | shaun- | zachc: i like remmina. filed a bug report in it last month in fact ;) |
| 21:47.41 | alexi | Hi, is there available an unstable/sid net installer iso? |
| 21:47.46 | no_gravity | Where does wine install its programms these days? I installed Google Adwords Editor lately and it runs fine. But now I wanted to start it again and its not in /home/me/.wine./drive_c/... |
| 21:47.49 | shaun- | alexi: no. it's never released |
| 21:47.50 | dark|angel | shaun- I'll do that. I got to love how insecure cpanel is do. |
| 21:47.51 | zachc | alexi: no man |
| 21:48.02 | zachc | alexi: best bet is to get the testing netinstall iso |
| 21:48.10 | zachc | then change the apt/sources.list to sid |
| 21:48.22 | alexi | shaun: thanks, |
| 21:48.23 | zachc | then apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade && init 6 |
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| 21:49.00 | zachc | alexi: sed -i 's/stable/sid/g' /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 21:49.14 | zachc | or well |
| 21:49.15 | alexi | ive already changed it to point to sid. |
| 21:49.18 | zachc | if you're running testing... |
| 21:49.24 | zachc | then change testing or whatever |
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| 21:49.49 | shaun- | bug squashing party coming my way soon... yee har |
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| 21:49.58 | shaun- | shizzle the wizzle |
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| 21:50.08 | zachc | if you dig deep enough you can find daily sid builds that get exported to netinst isos |
| 21:50.17 | zachc | at least you could back in 2005 |
| 21:50.22 | Mikaze | Anyone know how to access a router's IP number via PnP from Debian so the rest of the LAN can be configured? |
| 21:50.29 | joar | so, how would I get wine into debian wheezy? |
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| 21:50.43 | zachc | real men don't use wine |
| 21:50.46 | zachc | real men use debian sid |
| 21:50.47 | cesaro | logrotated seems to be sending me a blank mysql.log each day, i am not sure how to stop this. |
| 21:50.52 | White_R | hi! about the Evolution email client, can anybody explain me what the "Current Account" option, in the drop-down menu right to the search form, should do? I'm confused: right now i have 3 accounts enabled, how can evolution know in which one it should search? |
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| 21:50.57 | joar | zachc: you just contradicted yourself! |
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| 21:51.23 | joar | wine exists in sid, why would I switch to sid if I wouldn't want wine?! |
| 21:51.29 | jelly-home | !tell joar about wine-unstable |
| 21:51.36 | shaun- | zachc: real men drink Wine |
| 21:51.39 | nand` | Is the “contrib” source safe? |
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| 21:51.44 | joar | thanks jelly-home! |
| 21:51.46 | shaun- | nand`: yes |
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| 21:51.57 | nand` | Okay. Wasn't sure whether it was anything-goes unsigned crap like AUR |
| 21:52.09 | shaun- | nand`: it's for stuff that dpeends on non-free shit. |
| 21:52.36 | nand` | Yeah. I'll have to bite the bullet and install FlashPlayer unfortunately |
| 21:52.40 | joar | shaun-: don't you bad-mouth my graphics drivers! |
| 21:52.43 | shaun- | nand`: if you know the difference between gratis and libre then it may impact you otherwise it wont make a shizzle of difference |
| 21:52.47 | shaun- | joar: :) |
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| 21:53.07 | nand` | Is there a way to temporarily just grab a package off from that source without adding it to my sources.list? |
| 21:53.17 | shaun- | nand`: a web browser |
| 21:53.21 | shaun- | or wget |
| 21:53.28 | nand` | Via aptitude, I meant |
| 21:53.30 | zachc | joar: you don't run sid for wine, you run sid for sid, wine just happens to be in sid |
| 21:53.36 | shaun- | nand`: don't use aptitude. |
| 21:53.47 | jhutchins_wk | Um, wine's in stable too. |
| 21:53.51 | joar | zachc: so, real men love some LTS |
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| 21:53.54 | shaun- | sorry, i mean (I) don't use aptitude. that wasn't an order :) |
| 21:54.00 | Kendall | Hi guys, I had an old debian host throw a "CPU 0 exception" and then kernel panic --unfortunately mce package is not installed, and syslog doesn't have anything related to the error. Is there any where else I can look for clues ? |
| 21:54.05 | zachc | jhutchins_wk: whatever I don'e use wine |
| 21:54.19 | nand` | shaun-: I know the difference and it breaks my heart to install non-free shit like fglrx or flashplayer but as much as I love my morals I won't let them interfere with my ability to work effectively |
| 21:54.23 | zachc | joar: LTS? |
| 21:54.27 | jhutchins_wk | I don't use it much any more either. |
| 21:54.38 | jacobw | what's the rationale for aptitude? |
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| 21:54.45 | shaun- | nand`: sure. debian just give you the choice that's all :) |
| 21:54.58 | joar | zachc: long term support, I guess that might something else than sid. |
| 21:54.59 | nand` | shaun-: you don't use aptitude!? What is this sorcery, do you install every package from source manually? |
| 21:55.03 | shaun- | nand`: or better. you know when you're using non-free software |
| 21:55.05 | jhutchins_wk | I used to run my old Quicken off my W95 install for years, but then Quicken either failed or reached some post-y2k critical date and wouldn't run any more. |
| 21:55.14 | joar | jhutchins_wk: My issue is getting it into wheezy |
| 21:55.22 | nand` | shaun-: I intend to use gnash wherever possible! |
| 21:55.34 | shaun- | nand`: i use apt. but to be honest i still ahve a soft spot for dselect. i know. i need help |
| 21:55.35 | nand` | I will only selectively *enable* the flashplayer for websites that simple refuse to work with gnash |
| 21:55.53 | jacobw | that's a hassle |
| 21:56.00 | zachc | I only use software that has super cow powers |
| 21:56.07 | shaun- | zachc: indeed |
| 21:56.07 | jhutchins_wk | nand`: Just give up and use flash. gnash is a joke. |
| 21:56.18 | shaun- | nand`: jhutchins_wk is right. |
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| 21:56.45 | nand` | jhutchins_wk: in that case it becomes “I will only enable flashplayer for websites taht simply refuse to work without flash” |
| 21:56.53 | joar | flash is a joke, too. |
| 21:56.55 | Mikaze | refuses to support flash. It's inaccessible to the blind. |
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| 21:56.57 | jhutchins_wk | It's just a fact of life that there are flash websites, and Adobe pushes them to keep upgrading, and the only way to use them without a hassle is to keep Adobe Flash up to date. |
| 21:57.04 | jacobw | its inaccessible to the sighted :p |
| 21:57.10 | kevlarman | nand`: flashblock |
| 21:57.17 | jhutchins_wk | Mikaze: That is very noble of you. |
| 21:57.20 | joar | Mikaze: A Flash can be blinding, too... |
| 21:57.22 | kevlarman | nand`: all major browsers have some equivalent |
| 21:57.25 | jhutchins_wk | Mikaze: Now if you could just convince the rest of the web. |
| 21:57.34 | nand` | kevlarman: I use NoScript. That's not the point. If I block the flash object then I'd be staring at a blank screen |
| 21:57.41 | kevlarman | nand`: replaces all flashes with a placeholder until you click them |
| 21:57.42 | jhutchins_wk | I'm afraid we've strayed off topic here. |
| 21:57.55 | joar | jhutchins_wk: Could you mention any websites you depend on that uses Flash? |
| 21:58.14 | joar | dpkg: off-topic |
| 21:58.14 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
| 21:58.15 | jhutchins_wk | joar: All my pr0n movies are flash. |
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| 21:58.31 | joar | jhutchins_wk: Oh well, ues, point made. |
| 21:58.31 | shaun- | jhutchins_wk: bbc ? |
| 21:58.38 | shaun- | anyway :) |
| 21:58.50 | jacobw | get_iplayer |
| 21:59.05 | shaun- | jacobw: is it available for linux? |
| 21:59.25 | Mikaze | mplayer does my youtube vids...or rips the audio tracks off them, anyway. |
| 21:59.42 | jacobw | http://www.infradead.org/get_iplayer/html/get_iplayer.html |
| 21:59.43 | jacobw | yes |
| 21:59.44 | nand` | youtube works fine with <video> |
| 21:59.54 | nand` | The site I'm trying to coax into working is own3d.tv |
| 21:59.56 | joar | YouTube supports HTML5 WebM(?) video |
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| 22:00.17 | shaun- | jacobw: cool. i got it built into my cable box so never really access the iPlayer content from any boxen. but what about news stories? |
| 22:00.33 | kevlarman | joar: sort of |
| 22:00.38 | jelly-home | joar: on some videos. Not all. |
| 22:00.43 | kevlarman | joar: lots of it is h.264 only |
| 22:00.43 | joar | in all. |
| 22:00.44 | shaun- | YouTube is owned by Google isn't it? can't be too long before it's all html5 |
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| 22:00.59 | kevlarman | joar: and anything with ads is flash only |
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| 22:01.11 | joar | I have yet to stumble upon a YouTube video that requires me to have Flash installed. |
| 22:01.17 | nand` | I haven't run into a video that doesn't work via <video> since I switched to debian which was a while ago |
| 22:01.19 | Mikaze | needs to get the IP number off his Linksys router via Plug-n-play since I'm not using DHCP on the LAN. |
| 22:01.19 | joar | Although, I run Chrome |
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| 22:01.38 | joar | Mikaze: I don't believe that matters |
| 22:01.40 | nand` | It's just stuff that hasn't been encoded in VP8 yet |
| 22:01.53 | nand` | And all newer video gets encoded properly |
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| 22:02.01 | jhutchins_wk | ,versions get_iplayer |
| 22:02.02 | judd | No package named 'get_iplayer' was found in i386. |
| 22:02.05 | Mikaze | joar: Even to script the firewall? |
| 22:02.12 | joar | kevlarman: re: ads, that isn't correct, I get HTML5 ads |
| 22:02.27 | nand` | I didn't know youtube *had* ads. The peace of mind ABP offers |
| 22:02.35 | joar | Mikaze: are you connected to the router? |
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| 22:02.40 | jacobw | ABP is great :) |
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| 22:02.50 | Mikaze | Yep. |
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| 22:03.12 | joar | Mikaze: Then you already know the router's IP address |
| 22:03.27 | kevlarman | joar: i have yet find a single html5 ad |
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| 22:03.54 | Mikaze | Well, route and ifconfig and netstat don't show it. |
| 22:04.06 | joar | kevlarman: Have you opted in for HTML5? |
| 22:04.19 | kevlarman | yes |
| 22:04.36 | kevlarman | btw gstreamer's webm decoder is buggy :( |
| 22:04.44 | joar | kevlarman: How's that? |
| 22:04.52 | joar | re: gst |
| 22:05.22 | kevlarman | joar: it produces incorrect results |
| 22:05.30 | jhutchins_wk | jacobw: They seem to imply that get_iplayer is available in Debian - dmm squeeze perhaps? |
| 22:05.35 | kevlarman | at least the version i have does |
| 22:05.46 | joar | kevlarman: I could guess that! What are the results?! |
| 22:05.50 | joar | ;o) |
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| 22:06.21 | kevlarman | joar: it's not exactly easy to describe video decoding artifacts |
| 22:06.48 | jacobw | http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/get-iplayer |
| 22:06.49 | kevlarman | it's like a bad keyframe |
| 22:07.08 | kevlarman | except it happens reliably with gstreamer |
| 22:07.17 | kevlarman | and doesn't happen with chrome for example |
| 22:07.39 | joar | kevlarman: Is it playback or transcoding? |
| 22:07.48 | kevlarman | playback |
| 22:07.54 | kevlarman | i use opera as my browser |
| 22:07.55 | joar | kevlarman: put videorate in the queue? |
| 22:08.20 | kevlarman | which uses gstreamer for html5 video on linux |
| 22:08.39 | joar | kevlarman: does gstreamer play it in a bad way, does opera play it in a bad way? does chrome play it in a bad way? |
| 22:08.42 | joar | kevlarman: i see. |
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| 22:09.56 | yesname | hello i have a small vserver from sweden and after i installed iptables and removed it it seems like something happens because now when i apt-get it doesn`t want tor esolve anything |
| 22:10.02 | yesname | but it works when i ping an ip |
| 22:10.05 | yesname | any ideeas ? |
| 22:10.24 | joar | onekligen smörgåsbord :) |
| 22:10.50 | joar | kevlarman: Do you have any idea what the pipeline used in Opera is? |
| 22:10.50 | yesname | u had to be swedish. damn |
| 22:11.02 | kevlarman | joar: nope |
| 22:11.18 | shaun- | yesname: when you say removed iptables do you mean the rules or the package? |
| 22:11.20 | joar | kevlarman: Does it play OK if you play it using gst-launch? |
| 22:11.33 | yesname | both i think |
| 22:11.35 | kevlarman | joar: currently on a work mac, can't test |
| 22:11.39 | yesname | i removed the package too |
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| 22:12.11 | yesname | my friend removed it because he said that this has happend to him in the past and that iptables is to blame |
| 22:12.18 | shaun- | yesname: what's the error you get. i presume when you do apt-get update? |
| 22:12.18 | joar | kevlarman: Anyway, You could do that, if it shows the same issues, you have narrowed it down to GStreamer, if not, it's Opera's implementation. |
| 22:12.27 | yesname | yes, cannot resolve |
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| 22:12.51 | yesname | my workaround was to install "host" command but as i can`t get to any repo .. i can`t do anything |
| 22:12.55 | yesname | but remove packages from it |
| 22:12.56 | shaun- | yesname: cannot resolve WHAT? you got the hostname? and iptables wont be to blame since it's only a package. :) |
| 22:13.01 | yesname | hostname man |
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| 22:13.18 | juanchi | hi guys!!Im trying to get Wayland and Weston running on Debian Squeeze... Ive already build Wayland-0.85 successfully... but Im having a little issue with Weston... It asks for "GBM".. Ive spent like half hour searching but I cant find any package related to that dependency... Any help will be appreciated! Thanks! |
| 22:13.23 | shaun- | yesname: can you paste the output to paste.debian.net ? |
| 22:13.45 | shaun- | what the heck is Wayland and Weston? |
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| 22:14.08 | engla | shaun-: something to replace Xorg |
| 22:14.24 | shaun- | engla: you learn something new every day! |
| 22:14.28 | yesname | wait abit i`ll paste it right now |
| 22:15.12 | jhutchins_wk | juanchi: One would think that one would look to Weston support/development for that answer. |
| 22:15.23 | engla | shaun-: replacing the X protocol etc with something new, meant to break free from old cruft in xorg now that linux handles graphics in kernel.. etc |
| 22:15.38 | yesname | http://paste.debian.net/156553/ |
| 22:15.48 | yesname | as i said before it can`t resolve hostnames |
| 22:16.00 | shaun- | yesname: am looking.. |
| 22:16.11 | jhutchins_wk | yesname: Did you mean man hostname? |
| 22:16.28 | shaun- | yesname: and if you do ping ftp.se.debian.org, what do you get? |
| 22:16.29 | jhutchins_wk | yesname: Are you getting the DNS info for /etc/resolv.conf from dhcp? |
| 22:16.30 | joar | I think he meant "hostname, man" |
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| 22:16.52 | yesname | it doesn`t resolve it |
| 22:16.58 | yesname | just stays like that.. |
| 22:17.02 | shaun- | could be dns queries are being blocked |
| 22:17.09 | shaun- | yesname: iptables -L -v -n. display anything ? |
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| 22:17.26 | yesname | i deleted the iptables command... |
| 22:17.28 | jhutchins_wk | Could be that resolv.conf is not set up correctly. |
| 22:17.37 | shaun- | yesname: cat /etc/resolve.conf ? |
| 22:17.46 | jhutchins_wk | yesname: iptables doesn' t have anything to do with hostname resolution. |
| 22:18.13 | yesname | jhutchins_wk, thanks man i will paste to my friend so he understands that it wasn`t iptables.. |
| 22:18.24 | yesname | i have like 1 hour explaining him it can`t be a package |
| 22:18.26 | yesname | root@vm1096:~# cat /etc/resolv.conf |
| 22:18.26 | yesname | nameserver 178.236.72.67 |
| 22:18.26 | yesname | root@vm1096:~# cat /etc/hosts |
| 22:18.26 | yesname | 127.0.0.1localhost |
| 22:18.26 | yesname | 178.236.73.130vm1096 |
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| 22:18.43 | yesname | ok i go pastebin, damn |
| 22:18.49 | shaun- | yesname: you can quite easily break all networking with iptables, so it's a possibility. but when you install iptables it doesn't just start writing rules for you :) |
| 22:19.22 | shaun- | is that nameserver correct? if you do dig @178.236.72.67 www.google.com what does it say? |
| 22:19.25 | yesname | yeah so i told him and i doubt my small script to block some ips was that |
| 22:20.23 | yesname | i`m not sure i understand shaun- | note this is a vmserver from excellent-servers.se |
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| 22:20.39 | joar | yesname: shaun-: I get a timeout from that DNS server. |
| 22:20.40 | yesname | http://paste.debian.net/156554/ here u go the cat of resolve.conf |
| 22:21.09 | shaun- | yesname: your nameserver doesn't work. i just tested it. |
| 22:21.19 | shaun- | joar: me too |
| 22:21.42 | yesname | ok and what can i do then, i`m not so advanced and i don`t know where that problem comes from. is it from me or the provider ? |
| 22:21.59 | shaun- | yesname: who gave you the DNS details or are you using DHCP? |
| 22:22.06 | joar | shaun-: And it should be a global ip, according to tradition. although there's an entry in the hosts file which leads me to think this might be an internal IP. |
| 22:22.14 | joar | or restricted. |
| 22:22.21 | yesname | i don`t know i don`t got acces to cpanel i just got ssh acces from my friend. but he has shell company |
| 22:22.32 | yesname | and we already did some dns on sbnc and etc... all went ok |
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| 22:22.39 | jhutchins_wk | THe nameserver could be restricted to his network. |
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| 22:22.43 | kellyanne | Whats wrong with working at home? Are you threathened? my sister-inlaw makes $46 every hour on the computer. She has been out of work for 7 months but last month her pay was $5203 just working on the computer for a few hours. Read more on this google link.. http://tinyurl.com/7ftokq3 |
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| 22:22.53 | joar | jhutchins_wk: Seems so, yes. |
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| 22:23.24 | yesname | still what do i need to do to make it work again ? :-)) or i just send email tu excellent servers and flame them all |
| 22:23.25 | yesname | ? |
| 22:23.37 | shaun- | yesname: i think you should try puttting 178.236.72.66 in your /etc/resolv.conf. |
| 22:23.42 | joar | yesname: in the terminal, write "dig @178.236.72.67 ftp.se.debian.org" |
| 22:23.48 | jhutchins_wk | I show it's got 53 open but I don't get a response, maybe it's hung? |
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| 22:24.08 | shaun- | jhutchins_wk: there are other ns's for that domain |
| 22:24.24 | yesname | ok shaun- and after that do i need to restart any service or something ? |
| 22:24.29 | shaun- | yesname: shouldn't need to |
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| 22:24.35 | joar | shaun-: Good detective work. |
| 22:24.43 | jhutchins_wk | yesname: That is a query that asks that server for the address of that host. |
| 22:24.46 | yesname | ok but what i do with the other nameserver that`s already there |
| 22:24.46 | yesname | ? |
| 22:24.50 | yesname | nameserver 178.236.72.67 |
| 22:24.50 | shaun- | yesname: replace it |
| 22:24.52 | yesname | ok |
| 22:24.56 | yesname | understood man :-) |
| 22:24.56 | shaun- | or you can comment it with # |
| 22:25.12 | yesname | yes yes to make it unavaible thanks i will do that in case i don`t remember the other one |
| 22:25.41 | joar | 178.236.72.67 seems down, but shaun- found another one at 178.236.72.66 |
| 22:26.08 | shaun- | joar: that was the one i said ;) |
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| 22:26.23 | jhutchins_wk | yesname: Yes, you should let the hosting company know that it's server is not responding. |
| 22:26.31 | dark|angel | is there a way to completely disable SUHOSIN on Debian? |
| 22:26.34 | joar | shaun-: I think we both agree on that. |
| 22:26.39 | jhutchins_wk | shaun-: Do you get a response from .66? |
| 22:26.43 | joar | I do |
| 22:26.49 | shaun- | jhutchins_wk: yes |
| 22:26.51 | yesname | sweden hosting is really not good at all :-((( |
| 22:26.58 | shaun- | but seems flaky |
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| 22:27.21 | jhutchins_wk | yesname: Everybody's got downtime. They can't fix it if nobody tells them it's broken (though they should be monitoring it). |
| 22:27.24 | jacobw | echo 'nameserver 8.8.4.4' > /etc/resolv.conf |
| 22:27.29 | joar | yesname: tsk, http://sverigesradio.se/sida/artikel.aspx?programid=2054&artikel=4768676 |
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| 22:27.43 | jhutchins_wk | jacobw: No, that will overwrite anything else like search domain. |
| 22:27.47 | jhutchins_wk | jacobw: Use >> |
| 22:27.51 | jacobw | i know |
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| 22:28.08 | jacobw | if they're dns isn't working then don't use it |
| 22:28.09 | yesname | jhutchins_wk, i will go gigenet next time i want a server, the "should" is not good for me :-) |
| 22:28.17 | jhutchins_wk | yesname: You should probably have both nameservers in the resolv.conf file so that if one fails it will fall over to the other one. |
| 22:28.33 | jhutchins_wk | I' |
| 22:28.36 | yesname | i totally agree on that jhutchins_wk |
| 22:28.44 | yesname | the way it should be, right ? |
| 22:29.01 | jhutchins_wk | m working with rackspace and they took a week to build it, then getting access info took hours to get. |
| 22:29.08 | jacobw | you can have up to 3 nameservers in resolv.conf |
| 22:29.13 | jhutchins_wk | yesname: It's most common to have 2. |
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| 22:29.29 | jacobw | iirc, they're tried in order |
| 22:29.38 | jhutchins_wk | yesname: Ideally they should be on different subnets and in different physical location as Microsoft found out a few years ago. |
| 22:29.56 | shaun- | yesname: ther's also 178.236.64.98 |
| 22:30.13 | jhutchins_wk | I think the maximum number depends on which resolver you're using on which platform. |
| 22:30.28 | shaun- | yesname: if you're stuck getting security updates i can give you the ip for the sweddish apt repo url so you can stick it in /etc/hosts |
| 22:30.30 | jhutchins_wk | namecheap.com has five or so. |
| 22:30.49 | shaun- | jhutchins_wk: i have three. slaves are cheap. |
| 22:30.53 | yesname | no it`s no problem . i don`t even want apt-get to work but my friend who owns the server was getting crazy |
| 22:31.02 | shaun- | yesname: it working now? |
| 22:31.08 | yesname | he has a bnc hosting on that and ppl are crying because their l33t hosts don`t work |
| 22:31.12 | jhutchins_wk | shaun-: Different physical networks? |
| 22:31.18 | yesname | shaun-, nope it`s not working.. |
| 22:31.21 | shaun- | jhutchins_wk: different DCs |
| 22:31.22 | yesname | but i`m waiting ... |
| 22:31.26 | shaun- | (yes) |
| 22:31.27 | yesname | admin of e-s.se is online |
| 22:31.28 | jhutchins_wk | shaun-: xlnt. |
| 22:31.54 | shaun- | yesname: tell him his namservers suck |
| 22:31.58 | shaun- | (nicely) |
| 22:32.39 | yesname | listen what this dude says to me, after i stated that he was supposed to monitor this |
| 22:32.40 | yesname | <smiskgubben> yes there is something causing sync problems in our system at the moment we are looking into that problem but it should not be down |
| 22:32.52 | yesname | as if i care about that i want the service i pay for, right ? :-)) |
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| 22:33.01 | shaun- | i guess he's not heard of nagios |
| 22:33.32 | shaun- | not quite sure what he means by sync problems though |
| 22:33.50 | yesname | i just told him his ns`s are poop :-)) |
| 22:34.07 | yesname | shaun-, all admins say bull**** to users just to make them wait till they fix it.. |
| 22:34.20 | yesname | i`m sure that u are complety skilled to fix it in 1 minute but they can`t do it |
| 22:34.40 | shaun- | yesname: oh i don't know. i don't tend to get any complicated bind issues. i have a simple setup |
| 22:34.57 | shaun- | guess if you were doing some tricky stuff it could be a pain.. |
| 22:34.58 | yesname | simple is better, is what keeps slackware still running :-) |
| 22:35.45 | shaun- | one master. two slaves. done. am fairly fastidious about good record keeping. and keeping PTR's in sync too. |
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| 22:36.57 | shaun- | this batter is taking ages to charge. i must be consuming more power than im gaining! |
| 22:37.03 | shaun- | s/batter/battery |
| 22:37.06 | yesname | :-)) |
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| 22:45.53 | chowder | hello. I'm using an elantech touchpad on debian wheezy. It works fine except for the fact that I have to enable touch clicking manually. Is there a way I can make this permanent? I wrote a script that calls synclient and adjusts the options for me. Its just cumbersome having to run it every single time I login. |
| 22:46.33 | nsadmin | chowder, of course anything you can type in manually you can script |
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| 22:47.49 | chowder | nsadmin: right. I already threw all the options I wanted in a simple shell script. However I know there is a way to make the changes to synaptic permanent. I just forget where synaptic puts its config. |
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| 22:48.45 | obiwahn | chowder: /usr/share/doc - your friend |
| 22:50.18 | themill | chowder: personally, I just stick a script like that into by desktop environment's startup list. |
| 22:51.11 | themill | chowder: you can configure it your Xorg.conf.d as well; /msg dpkg Xorg.conf.d; man 4 synaptics. |
| 22:51.18 | obiwahn | or put it in your .xinitrc |
| 22:52.04 | obiwahn | themill: most ppl wont be able to wirte a xorg.conf:( |
| 22:52.39 | chowder | themill: right but I remember modifying the synaptics config and getting it to work that way. I REALLY don't want to write an xorg.conf. |
| 22:52.44 | themill | quite. And something like this is a per-user preference rather than system wide too |
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| 22:53.26 | themill | you only need a 3 or 4 line file -- you're not writing the entire thing |
| 22:54.17 | chowder | themill: ok, so where's it go? Xsession.d? |
| 22:54.39 | themill | umm... Xorg.conf.d ... |
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| 22:55.35 | chowder | themill: so that's /etc/X11/Xorg.conf.d? |
| 22:56.13 | themill | but using a startup script as you log in is probably easier |
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| 22:59.52 | lynks | im running a 686 kernel on a laptop with 4Gb of ram, I understand that it cannot use all of it, but free -m is only reporting 2973 under total Mem, shouldnt it be more like 3800? |
| 23:00.33 | kevlarman | lynks: 2973 is about right |
| 23:01.01 | kevlarman | lynks: there's a hole from about 3.25gb to 4gb |
| 23:01.10 | kevlarman | that's reserved for mapping hardware |
| 23:01.24 | kevlarman | your best bet would be a 64 bit kernel |
| 23:01.39 | nsadmin | that;s a BIG map... |
| 23:01.41 | kevlarman | pae is another option (though it's a bit of a hack) |
| 23:02.04 | nsadmin | or run an amd64 kernel |
| 23:03.35 | lynks | kevlarman: ok, thanks. i dont actually understand why its so low anyway, i mean 2^32 addresses, 4 bytes per address is 2^24 bytes, which is 2^4GiB, or 16GiB, right? |
| 23:03.40 | themill | !pae |
| 23:03.41 | dpkg | Physical Address Extension (PAE) is an x86 processor feature allowing more than 4 gigabytes of physical memory to be used. Linux supports PAE since version 2.3.23 (up to 64 GB of memory on 32-bit systems). PAE is supported by the Intel Pentium Pro/II/III/4/4M/D, Xeon, Core and Atom; AMD Geode NX, Athlon (K7), Duron, Opteron, Sempron, Turion and Phenom; Transmeta Efficeon; VIA C7 and some others. Ask me about <bigmem>, <686-pae>. |
| 23:03.52 | nsadmin | (this will be hard and you might not want to do it, but.. ) back up /home and install amd64 userland |
| 23:03.59 | lynks | 2^34 bytes * |
| 23:04.04 | kevlarman | lynks: wrong |
| 23:04.11 | themill | lynks: you can install a -bigmem or -686-pae kernel to use all that memory (just not all in the one process) |
| 23:04.47 | yesname | i would download a 64bit version though :-) |
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| 23:04.55 | kevlarman | lynks: the granulatiry of addresses is 1 byte |
| 23:05.11 | lynks | ill just format and install the amd64 version, i have a netinst for it somewhere anyway. |
| 23:05.24 | lynks | kevlarman: ahh i see, ofcourse it is, thanks |
| 23:05.35 | nsadmin | lynks, is your /home a separate partition? |
| 23:06.09 | lynks | nsadmin: unfortunately no, i just threw everything together under a serpent-256 lvm |
| 23:06.31 | nsadmin | if not do you have the disk space to add a partition that can contain what's in your /home? |
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| 23:07.07 | kevlarman | personally i'd have the installer give me a shell, delete everything except /home, then let it install without formatting :P |
| 23:07.15 | nsadmin | (if /home is worth saving --- likely YES -- you should deal with this part before reinstalling) |
| 23:07.16 | kevlarman | that's pretty terrible though |
| 23:07.47 | nsadmin | that's an alternative tho |
| 23:07.49 | lynks | nsadmin: its ok, doing a reinstall is not big deal in this case, everything in /home is mostly an nfs from my desktop anyway |
| 23:08.10 | kevlarman | nsadmin: btw a large block of graphics memory gets mapped to ~3-4gb |
| 23:08.22 | nsadmin | oh ok, so technically it's already separate |
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| 23:09.26 | lynks | nsadmin: pretty much |
| 23:09.46 | nsadmin | well ok, you might want to tar up /etc too, just to have it |
| 23:09.54 | barxool | Hi everybody. After a reboot, i cannot login in gnome on my debian 6.0.3. The tty login and remote (ssh) login is still working. I have no idea how to debug this. Does anybody know how to activate verbose logging in gnome ? |
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| 23:10.15 | nsadmin | in case you did some kind of complex and custom config on something |
| 23:10.16 | lynks | my real question was really just why 2.9, it seemed like a random number to me, couldnt reach it on a calculator |
| 23:10.48 | lynks | thanks again folks |
| 23:13.03 | lynks | has so far found 3 debian32-netinst cds of varying age, 64 still eludes... |
| 23:14.04 | kevlarman | lynks: the download is like 50mb if you have a usb stick you don't care about formatting |
| 23:15.13 | lynks | kevlarman: is there any hope of installing from a luks usb? :P |
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| 23:15.42 | kevlarman | lynks: nope, like i said it needs to be formatted to put a bootloader on it |
| 23:16.03 | lynks | kevlarman: didnt think so, no problem |
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| 23:17.43 | lynks | kevlarman: latest netinst is 168MiB, just fyi |
| 23:18.07 | kevlarman | lynks: i tend to use business card images |
| 23:18.31 | lynks | kevlarman: i noticed that, was hoping that was what you meant so that you could explain to me what that was :) |
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| 23:18.51 | kevlarman | lynks: have you ever seen those dinky half size cds? |
| 23:19.07 | kevlarman | lynks: they're images designed to fit on those |
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| 23:19.45 | somiaj | though it is terrible naming, since netinstall dosen't require the internet to install (There is a complete base system in those 170megs) |
| 23:20.08 | kevlarman | somiaj: does it have X11 and a sane-ish DE? |
| 23:20.55 | lynks | kevlarman: thats a nice idea, rather posh business card idea too |
| 23:21.01 | kevlarman | lynks: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business_card_CD |
| 23:21.04 | somiaj | kevlarman: more just saying the business card is more a 'netinstall' as opposed to a 'minimial install' |
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| 23:23.43 | Matiasu | Hello |
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| 23:24.13 | Matiasu | I'm doing sudo usermode -a -G fuse my_user in order to add my_user to the fuse group |
| 23:24.25 | Matiasu | but it's somehow no added |
| 23:24.49 | somiaj | usermode? Are you sure that is the command? |
| 23:24.59 | Matiasu | usermod * |
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| 23:25.33 | Matiasu | if I then do "groups", "fuse" is not there |
| 23:25.42 | somiaj | Matiasu: did you log out and back in |
| 23:26.01 | Matiasu | actually no, I just close the console and open it again |
| 23:26.02 | somiaj | Matiasu: also note I prefer 'adduser user group' as a quick way to add a user to a group. |
| 23:26.10 | somiaj | Matiasu: in a console you'll have to logout |
| 23:26.19 | somiaj | Matiasu: inside of 'x' you'll have to logout and login again |
| 23:26.19 | lynks | shows how often i burn cds these days; whats the standard debian package for burning an iso, my distant memory tells me cdrecord? |
| 23:26.33 | somiaj | lynks: same package, different name. wodim |
| 23:26.40 | lynks | somiaj: thanks |
| 23:26.41 | somiaj | lynks: well same basic software. |
| 23:26.49 | Matiasu | alright, it's the problem then. thanks :) |
| 23:27.04 | Matiasu | ...logging out |
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| 23:27.06 | somiaj | Matiasu: groups are |
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| 23:35.14 | lynks | eject -T never ceases to make me giggle, feels like im in the matrix |
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| 23:39.25 | lynks | just me then...sigh |
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| 23:44.47 | cartes | hello all |
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| 23:45.35 | lynks | hi cartes |
| 23:45.39 | cartes | Anyone here who maintains a mirror for Debian? |
| 23:46.02 | Kamping_Kaiser | cartes: whats your actual question? |
| 23:46.18 | cartes | The "ftpsync" script on our mirror does not run from cron, and it even does not throw any errors. |
| 23:46.36 | diverdude | how can i start syslog with -r ? |
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| 23:47.02 | quebre | hello |
| 23:47.08 | quebre | i installed dhcp3 server |
| 23:47.12 | quebre | but cannot start it |
| 23:47.25 | quebre | don't have the startup script in /etc/init.d |
| 23:47.28 | quebre | why is that ? |
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| 23:51.21 | diverdude | how can i start syslog with -r ? |
| 23:51.45 | cartes | Kamping_Kaiser: any ideas? |
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| 23:52.51 | somiaj | quebre: what package did you install? Did you check /usr/share/doc/pkgname |
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| 23:54.36 | somiaj | diverdude: startup scripts are in /etc/init.d/ -- rsyslog is the syslog on my system, so it would be /etc/init.d/rsyslog -- startup script to modify |
| 23:55.24 | somiaj | diverdude: you could also just /etc/init.d/rsyslog stop, then run the service from the command line. |
| 23:55.29 | Kamping_Kaiser | cartes: is it executable? |
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| 23:56.16 | Kamping_Kaiser | diverdude: edit /etc/default/rsyslog |
| 23:56.21 | diverdude | somiaj: but what i actually need to is start up rsyslog with remote logging enabled |
| 23:56.51 | Amgine | <puts on flamesuit> iceweasel does not have adblock plus. What browser is available which does, and also noscript? |
| 23:57.11 | lynks | Amgine: privoxy is pretty sharp at blocking ads |
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| 23:58.10 | Kamping_Kaiser | Amgine: xul-ext-adblock-plus - Advertisement blocking extension for web browsers |
| 23:58.16 | engla | Amgine: iceweasel 9, testing, has both. |
| 23:58.19 | Kamping_Kaiser | judd: versions xul-ext-adblock-plus |
| 23:58.20 | judd | Package: xul-ext-adblock-plus on i386 -- squeeze: 1.2.1-1; sid: 2.0.3-1; wheezy: 2.0.3-1 |
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