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| 00:01.51 | ozst | Hi. after doing a distupgrade to wheezy, the microphone on my laptop isn't working anylonger. I have an intel n10/ICH7 chipset |
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| 00:22.05 | Freejack | Anyone here work with the Ada Debian packages? |
| 00:22.40 | dondelelcaro | Freejack: maybe, but what's your question? |
| 00:23.20 | Freejack | dondelelcaro: Was curious how well the PolyOrb package works in a Debian system. |
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| 00:24.26 | dondelelcaro | Freejack: dunno, but you can check the bug reports for polyorb-servers et all if you're interested |
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| 00:25.14 | Freejack | nods |
| 00:25.31 | Freejack | Using Gentoo right now. Thinking about switching to Debian. |
| 00:25.54 | ParkerR | Freejack, Doo it :D |
| 00:25.55 | Freejack | Or rather...back to Debian. |
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| 00:30.22 | mr_exon | I am having major sound problems |
| 00:30.35 | mr_exon | I run MIDI equipment |
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| 00:31.32 | mr_exon | can any one help me? |
| 00:31.58 | dondelelcaro | mr_exon: best to ask your actual question |
| 00:32.11 | mr_exon | oh |
| 00:32.51 | mr_exon | well I got rid of mint11 for video reasions.. switched to debian 3 and now I have no audio at all |
| 00:33.15 | dondelelcaro | mr_exon: Debian 3? |
| 00:33.17 | nkuttler | geez.. switching distros because of minor hardware problems.. |
| 00:33.35 | mr_exon | I have removed my soundblaster card and running off my onboard sound now and still no luck |
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| 00:34.09 | mr_exon | backported kernel though, 3.2.4-1 |
| 00:34.15 | dondelelcaro | mr_exon: Woody is 9 years old, and totally not supported. If you want to run Debian, you should be running squeeze. |
| 00:34.27 | mr_exon | oh |
| 00:34.35 | dondelelcaro | perhaps you didn't mean Debian 3? |
| 00:34.41 | mr_exon | I use a P4 3.2 |
| 00:34.45 | MaxHr | Hello, can anyone suggest a userfriendly debian based distro? Good installer and with codecs and 3rd party stuff included or easily obtained... |
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| 00:34.54 | dondelelcaro | mr_exon: what does cat /etc/debian_version; say? |
| 00:34.57 | dondelelcaro | mr_exon: Debian? |
| 00:35.02 | dondelelcaro | MaxHr: Debian? |
| 00:35.06 | Kanyl | MaxHr: Ubuntu? |
| 00:35.13 | mr_exon | 1 sec |
| 00:35.21 | MaxHr | already tried ubuntu, mint, and mepis |
| 00:35.37 | Kanyl | Have you tried debian? |
| 00:36.24 | mr_exon | version.....6.0.4 |
| 00:36.29 | MaxHr | Kanyl, I haven't , I was under the impression that it was more difficult to get running for newbies, but highly tweakable |
| 00:36.52 | rypervenche | mr_exon is new to Linux^^ |
| 00:37.03 | mr_exon | yes 6 months in |
| 00:37.03 | Kanyl | MaxHr: Did you have any specific problems with ubuntu, mint etc? |
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| 00:37.36 | MaxHr | Kanyl, yes, a wide variety of issues, plus I am looking for something more stable than ubu based |
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| 00:37.50 | MaxHr | I tried ubuntu lts, and it refused to install on my laptop |
| 00:38.02 | mr_exon | dondelelcaro: 6.0.4 |
| 00:38.03 | Kanyl | "a wide variety of issues" is not that specific :P |
| 00:38.10 | rypervenche | MaxHr: Then Debian is what you want. You'll have to spend maybe 5 to 10 minutes getting all the extra stuff you want, but that's not a big deal for the stability that Debian offers. |
| 00:38.31 | MaxHr | Kanyl, you would really like me to list all the problems ;) |
| 00:38.57 | Kanyl | So the answer would be "no", then? ;) |
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| 00:39.12 | Kanyl | So you want something easy, that works on your laptop? |
| 00:39.21 | Kanyl | Yet we cannot know what does not work, and what's too hard about debian |
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| 00:39.57 | MaxHr | rypervenche, is the installer strait forward, say like fedora's or suse installer? |
| 00:40.02 | Kanyl | It's not really hard to get debian running, you should give it a go, just follow the instructions. |
| 00:40.09 | rypervenche | MaxHr: Yep. |
| 00:40.23 | rypervenche | MaxHr: I find Fedora's to be harder than Debian's. |
| 00:41.34 | MaxHr | Kanyl, well, there were issues with power management not working as it was set to, gstreamer based players displayed horrible video, bugs with the desktop gui... |
| 00:41.55 | rypervenche | MaxHr: Still waiting to hear what's wrong with Debian. |
| 00:41.59 | rypervenche | :) |
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| 00:44.09 | MaxHr | rypervenche, yeah, I was just listing the ubu problems :) |
| 00:44.15 | stevieman | I'm having problems getting a vfat drive to mount with permissions for users to write tot he drives. I'm using 'vfat rw,auto,user,umask=022 0 0 |
| 00:44.15 | stevieman | ' in /etc/fstab |
| 00:44.41 | jhutchins_lt | stevieman: What problems are you having? |
| 00:44.42 | Kanyl | MaxHr: Good luck with debian then, a word of advice would be to try to solve the problems before just jumping on to a new dist |
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| 00:44.49 | Kanyl | most problems can be solved on most dists |
| 00:45.00 | Kanyl | Actually almost every problem can be solved on pretty much every dist |
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| 00:46.23 | stevieman | jhutchins_lt, the drive mounts where it should but it's owned by root:root even though the mount point is user:user. My user cannot write to the drive |
| 00:46.23 | MaxHr | Kanyl, I tried for a couple weeks and lost patience, these were such basic things wrong that shouldn't be, |
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| 00:46.49 | MaxHr | Kanyl, thats why I am looking for something stable and works, I don't care about bleeding edge as much |
| 00:46.58 | mr_exon | Debian 6.0.4 and are using the backported kernel, no sound output at all.. running a P4 3.1, 4 gigs ram, 512 ddr2 gfx card.. computer is used to do audio and music editing. Running a M-audio pro mic and a AKAI MPKmini MIDI sinth key/drum pad. I believe my MIDI controller program is not set right or Debian is not seeing sound |
| 00:46.59 | Kanyl | I see, enjoy windows then. |
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| 00:47.27 | MaxHr | Kanyl, really, there is no linux as stable and bug free as windows?! |
| 00:47.53 | Kanyl | I use arch linux, I do not really notice any bugs, and I have not rebooted in weeks. |
| 00:48.18 | kevlarman | Kanyl: arch is about the best possible way to run into upstream bugs |
| 00:48.21 | Kanyl | If you do not have the patience to learn, and ask in order to solve your issues though, any dist is going to be hard. |
| 00:48.32 | Kanyl | kevlarman: Cool story bro |
| 00:48.41 | Primis | MaxHr: Did you just imply that windows has no bugs and is stable? |
| 00:48.48 | kevlarman | Kanyl: i'm running into at least 2 different ones right now :P |
| 00:48.59 | mr_exon | Debian 6.0.4 and are using the backported kernel, no sound output at all.. running a P4 3.1, 4 gigs ram, 512 ddr2 gfx card.. computer is used to do audio and music editing. Running a M-audio pro mic and a AKAI MPKmini MIDI sinth key/drum pad. I believe my MIDI controller program is not set right or Debian is not seeing sound |
| 00:49.00 | Kanyl | kevlarman: I was just sharing my experience :P |
| 00:49.04 | stevieman | jhutchins_lt, I've tried chowning the mount point after the drive is mounted but I can't |
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| 00:52.36 | zykotick9 | stevieman: you can't use chown with FAT/NTFS partitions. Your missing options for making it writable. |
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| 00:53.00 | rypervenche | Primis: Hahaha,that made me laugh. |
| 00:53.08 | stevieman | jhutchins_lt, I thought the rw meant read,write |
| 00:53.11 | MaxHr_ | ok, back, just lost wifi for some reason |
| 00:53.24 | Primis | I'll repeat for your sake then |
| 00:53.32 | Primis | Did you just imply that windows has no bugs and is stable? |
| 00:53.54 | MaxHr_ | Primis, no, Kanyl seemed to imply that... |
| 00:54.01 | Kanyl | What? |
| 00:54.05 | MaxHr_ | I was looking for clarification |
| 00:54.26 | Primis | ah |
| 00:54.35 | factor | has anyone gotten the error on compiling kernel cant find Document file lguest |
| 00:54.38 | Kanyl | I use Linux, I do not really notice any bugs at all, and when they appear, the fix is almost always really simple. |
| 00:54.42 | mr_exon | if you like non stop updates go with windows... 2 hour boot times and such lol |
| 00:54.55 | Kanyl | When I used windows there was no real way to solve things, that's why I switched |
| 00:55.08 | Kanyl | windows is not bug free, it's easy if you have no patience, or/and is an idiot |
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| 00:55.26 | mr_exon | if you like AOL you like windows |
| 00:55.40 | Kanyl | mr_exon: You need to boot and update GNU/linux computers too |
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| 00:56.01 | mr_exon | yea but thats a 3 minute deal |
| 00:56.04 | Kanyl | Unless you run debian, with packages from the middle ages D: |
| 00:56.08 | mr_exon | not a hour |
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| 00:56.26 | MaxHr_ | none of that is relavent, I am simply asking for a linux version that is more stable and bug free from the get go (than ubuntu has been) |
| 00:56.27 | mr_exon | I have a old computer |
| 00:56.36 | simonlnu | can we keep it on-topic please? |
| 00:56.38 | Kanyl | MaxHr_: Debian |
| 00:57.10 | mr_exon | I had to run debian because mint 12 would black screan on start up |
| 00:57.12 | Kanyl | Or Arch tbh, even though the debian people like to call it unstable, since you choose what you want on it, it can be way more stable than debian in some cases |
| 00:57.29 | stevieman | zykotick9, is this what I need user,auto,fmask=0111,dmask=0000? |
| 00:57.31 | Kanyl | Debian comes with a load of crap from a "clean" install afaak |
| 00:57.39 | MaxHr_ | mr_exon, that happened to me with ubuntu lts installer |
| 00:57.55 | mr_exon | why does it do that |
| 00:58.05 | mr_exon | mint 11 as well |
| 00:58.12 | zykotick9 | stevieman: sorry i'm not sure, i don't use MS filesystem, but i've seen the options and i don't think you have it yet |
| 00:58.12 | rypervenche | Kanyl: You can still install it via the expert install and have it pretty much like Arch. |
| 00:58.29 | Kanyl | I see |
| 00:58.47 | Kanyl | Like arch with old packages? =D |
| 00:58.54 | Kanyl | Sounds legen-dary |
| 00:59.05 | MaxHr_ | Kanyl, I was leaning towards debian as I heard it has the largest repos, and good package management |
| 00:59.09 | peterrooney | MaxHr_: If you're looking for more stable + bugfree than Ubuntu, go with debian stable. Ubuntu is derived from debian testing, which is (and it's even in the name) being tested, as in, it's not finished testing. |
| 00:59.16 | zykotick9 | Kanyl: i consider the net-install to be the "true" debian install, no bloat there |
| 00:59.40 | Kanyl | MaxHr_: Try Debian, it's nice. And has a crapload of packages in the offical repos |
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| 00:59.46 | Kanyl | zykotick9: I see |
| 01:00.05 | robbiel | zykotick9, my Google fu is weak tonight |
| 01:00.59 | MaxHr_ | peterrooney, sounds good, are there backports of newer non-core software, like Firefox and Libreoffice... |
| 01:01.36 | peterrooney | MaxHr_: yes, by adding backport repos to /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 01:02.38 | MaxHr_ | my main goal here is setting up a few ancient laptops in a community center for job searching and other local resources... |
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| 01:02.46 | peterrooney | dpkg:backports |
| 01:02.46 | dpkg | A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
| 01:03.04 | peterrooney | dpkg:backport caveat |
| 01:03.04 | dpkg | Remember that in installing backports, you will be using an unusual configuration of packages that has not been tested as thoroughly as Debian stable and that newer packages have both newer features and newer bugs. Ask me about <version chasing>. Also note that you can't rely on backports to patched quickly if vulnerabilities are discovered. |
| 01:04.49 | peterrooney | maintaining publicly accessed computers... pain behind left eye... |
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| 01:06.41 | MaxHr_ | peterrooney, thats why I am hoping to set it and forgetit setup, very simple and solid, hopefully with auto background updates, no input or admin pass needed |
| 01:08.15 | mr_exon | Debian 6.0.4 and are using the backported kernel, no sound output at all.. running a P4 3.1, 4 gigs ram, 512 ddr2 gfx card.. computer is used to do audio and music editing. Running a M-audio pro mic and a AKAI MPKmini MIDI sinth key/drum pad. I believe my MIDI controller program is not set right or Debian is not seeing sound |
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| 01:09.54 | LtL | mr_exon: have you run throuh the various checklists on the http://wiki.debian.org/ site| |
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| 01:10.44 | mr_exon | LtL: will check but I believe so |
| 01:11.32 | LtL | mr_exon: It's worth the effort. |
| 01:11.35 | Someguy123 | guys, I have an arch install on /dev/sda6 with no seperate home partition, and was going to try to install debian over it... what would be the best debootstrap system I can put on a USB? |
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| 01:12.51 | mr_exon | LtL: I am too new to realize the problem and already had some one take control on my computer and he could not solve the problem |
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| 01:13.30 | mr_exon | I make and edit music no sound is bad |
| 01:13.44 | beardy | Someguy123: AFAIK debootstrap is put on a partition and then to be booted. You probably want the normal netinstaller to puton a USB stick and install on your /dev/sda6 partition. |
| 01:13.59 | beardy | !netinstall |
| 01:13.59 | dpkg | somebody said netinst was a small CD image with which you can install Debian. If, during the installation process you have a working Internet connection, you can install more packages straight away, otherwise, you will have a base install and more packages later. See http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ See also <various cd1>, <check iso image>, <dialup install>, <usb install>, <installer>. |
| 01:14.06 | Someguy123 | beardy yeah I understand that, I was planning on systemrescuecd for it |
| 01:14.17 | Someguy123 | beardy I can't netinstall, my wifi isn't supported natively too well |
| 01:14.23 | beardy | Someguy123: Ah. |
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| 01:14.52 | vbrummond | i cant get wifi to work in the debian installer regardless :/ |
| 01:14.57 | Someguy123 | beardy I can get my wifi working in most distros, but it requires a lot of config hacking, and netinstall doesn't have very well wifi support anyway |
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| 01:15.21 | MaxHr_ | peterrooney, thats why I am hoping to set it and forgetit setup, very simple and solid, hopefully with auto background updates, no input or admin pass neededpeterrooney, understood... are there any gui system/hardware config tools for debian that you recommend? similar in function to what yast and drakconfig do |
| 01:15.24 | beardy | Someguy123: One way would be to use Debian Live (I prefer the XFCE image), and run the installer from it, after having the wifi up. |
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| 01:15.34 | beardy | !debootstrap |
| 01:15.35 | dpkg | debootstrap can create a basic Debian system from scratch, without apt/dpkg. Useful for installing in a <chroot>. It is key to installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux system, ask me about <install guide>. http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap http://www.debian-administration.org/article/Installing_new_Debian_systems_with_debootstrap |
| 01:15.36 | Someguy123 | for arch I could always use a chroot install from sysresccd which ended up easier since sysresccd allowed me to use my wifi while setting it up |
| 01:15.56 | Someguy123 | beardy issue: does the livecd have AMD drivers yet? |
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| 01:16.00 | MaxHr_ | sorry for the flood, paste management is a pain on ubu at the moment |
| 01:16.11 | Someguy123 | last I tried the livecd it just glitched out since I have a radeon6870 |
| 01:16.27 | mr_exon | LtL: any imput? |
| 01:16.33 | beardy | Someguy123: I don't know. lspci output from your wifi interface might make someone help you check. |
| 01:17.04 | LtL | mr_exon: i'm sorry i was on the phone, let me check /lastlog |
| 01:17.45 | LtL | mr_exon: do you use a sound card? |
| 01:17.46 | beardy | Someguy123: But if systemrecuecd does what you need, use that. I like and use that when I have to. |
| 01:17.54 | Someguy123 | beardy the module for my wifi is actually in newer kernels, just to use it, it needs several config files in /etc, and then I've gotta keep unplugging and replugging and monitoring dmesg |
| 01:18.01 | Someguy123 | until it decides to realize that the config is correct |
| 01:18.08 | Someguy123 | PITA... |
| 01:18.36 | mr_exon | LtL: I have onboard.. I took out my soundblaster to see if it would resolve it... no beens |
| 01:19.32 | vbrummond | Someguy123, you sound like you know your way around; I think you could probably find a way to install debian without much help |
| 01:19.44 | LtL | mr_exon: You can get the SB working, it can be a chore, but persistance and a little luck pays off, check this page thoroughly, http://wiki.debian.org/SoundCard |
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| 01:20.10 | mr_exon | k thx |
| 01:21.07 | LtL | mr_exon: what you need to ascertain is that, is your hardware supported, and are the proper kernel modules loaded and is the software configured. It takes some time. |
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| 01:21.41 | mr_exon | yea |
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| 01:22.18 | LtL | mr_exon: start with sound settings in your GUI menu, try everything under the sun. |
| 01:22.42 | LtL | mr_exon: you have no sound from the onboard chip| |
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| 01:24.50 | mr_exon | LtL: yes no onboard sounds... I do have onboard audio |
| 01:24.51 | LtL | mr_exon: get the pci id bus numbers on your hardware with this command, /usr/bin/lspci -nn it will be a hex number in brackets, check it againt the list or pastebin it for us |
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| 01:26.50 | peterrooney | MaxHr_: there's synaptic, for GUI, auto-apt [ WARNING ] for automatic updates. I've not found much need for the gui; aptitude has an ncurses interface |
| 01:27.20 | LtL | mr_exon: what does System | Preferences | Sound options say? Alsa HDA Intel, change to it if you can, test it, install alsamixergui |
| 01:27.27 | mr_exon | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:27.47 | LtL | judd: pciid 8086:266e |
| 01:27.48 | judd | [8086:266e] is '82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) AC'97 Audio Controller' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'ata_generic', 'snd-intel8x0' in squeeze. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:266e http://wiki.debian.org/slmodem and the out-of-tree 'snd-intel8x0' module. |
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| 01:28.42 | LtL | mr_exon: ok, if you run squeeze stable, look for those modules in lsmod output, if not modprobe them, set sound prefs tio use alsa |
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| 01:29.29 | mr_exon | LtL: Alsa mixxer |
| 01:29.46 | MaxHr_ | peterrooney, anything for doing xconfig, or other hardware? there were some very basic setup tools like this on Puppy, which has a deb based version... maybe something along those lines |
| 01:30.02 | Mission | ? |
| 01:30.09 | LtL | mr_exon: is this a fresh install? |
| 01:30.12 | mr_exon | LtL: its all set to Alsa |
| 01:30.18 | mr_exon | yes |
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| 01:31.48 | LtL | mr_exon: got a volume control on the desktop, right cklick it, open volume control, set everything at peak levels |
| 01:32.03 | mr_exon | done |
| 01:32.14 | mr_exon | did that last night |
| 01:32.28 | mr_exon | head ache |
| 01:32.32 | mo1991 | Can someone help me setting up 3 monitors with each as it's own desktop/mouse/keyboard? Just got a second nvidia GTS 450. Currently running two in clone mode (2 rooms) and adding a 3rd room plus third keyboard/mouse. Seems it would be better to run each room as a seperate instance of x, which seems fairly straight forward using the nvidia drivers, but not sure how to specify for monitor a use keyboard mouse x, for monitor b use keyb |
| 01:32.32 | mo1991 | oard mouse y, for monitor c use keyboard mouse z. I am guessing this is done via xorg.conf, but can't seem to find much info. Anyone have any experiance doing this? |
| 01:32.37 | LtL | mr_exon: how do you test your sound, click on a mp3 in file manager |
| 01:33.20 | mr_exon | youtube and mp3's yes |
| 01:34.39 | LtL | mr_exon: goto these pages, install it all the recommended packages, http://wiki.debian.org/ALSA | http://wiki.debian.org/AlsaMidi |
| 01:34.54 | mr_exon | ok |
| 01:35.08 | LtL | mr_exon: mp3's work? youtube too |
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| 01:35.21 | mr_exon | nothing works |
| 01:35.46 | LtL | mr_exon: dpkg -s pulseaudio see if it's installed |
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| 01:36.24 | mr_exon | no its not installed |
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| 01:36.34 | mr_exon | LtL: no its not installed |
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| 01:36.43 | LtL | mr_exon: I do not use pulse, and it's been known to be an issue on some installs |
| 01:37.06 | LtL | mr_exon: have you installed all the alsa packages |
| 01:37.20 | mr_exon | I thinks so |
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| 01:37.53 | LtL | mr_exon: have you changed or added anything since we began |
| 01:37.55 | mo1991 | i find that although pulse makes some things easier (switching sound cards on fly, etc) alsa is more proven. Pulse tends to give delays for certain things such as ia32 apps, vmware, wine apps, etc |
| 01:38.12 | mr_exon | no |
| 01:38.27 | vbrummond | i think pulse uses alsa ;/ |
| 01:38.35 | peterrooney | MaxHr_: well, with xorg, setup is pretty much automatic these days. The only hardware I've ever had consistent issues with have been webcams and some videocards on PPC architecture |
| 01:38.52 | LtL | mo1991: so i've heard, i've used it before |
| 01:39.09 | LtL | mr_exon: can you pastebin lsmod |
| 01:39.20 | mr_exon | I am going to take a brake for a minute brb |
| 01:39.20 | mo1991 | LtL :) |
| 01:39.27 | mr_exon | what |
| 01:39.32 | peterrooney | dpkg: judd-hardware |
| 01:39.32 | dpkg | The bot "judd" can tell you a lot about hardware and kernel support. /msg judd pciid 8086:4222 ; /msg judd xorg 1002:7145 ; /msg judd pciname 82574L ; /msg judd kconfig firmware ; /msg judd kernels. For full information, /msg judd list Piccy ; /msg judd help commandname. |
| 01:39.53 | mr_exon | LtL: whats that |
| 01:40.03 | LtL | mr_exon: install in a terminal, aptitude install pastebinit |
| 01:40.16 | peterrooney | MaxHr_: and /msg dpkg <stuff_of_interest> OR /msg dpkg listkeys <keyword> |
| 01:40.24 | mr_exon | I dont know how |
| 01:40.26 | LtL | mr_exon: then lsmod |pastebinit and show us the url |
| 01:40.51 | peterrooney | wonders if the dpkg bot is downloadable |
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| 01:41.14 | LtL | mr_exon: in your apps/accesories menu open terminal |
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| 01:41.38 | LtL | mr_exon: make a shortcut on your panel, it's a must! |
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| 01:41.47 | MaxHr_ | peterrooney, ok, thx, I will try searching to see if versions of the Puppy tools exist for debian also |
| 01:41.57 | mr_exon | i have one opened |
| 01:42.25 | LtL | mr_exon: become root, su - then type the root password |
| 01:42.39 | LtL | mr_exon: su - [enter] |
| 01:43.06 | LtL | mr_exon: then type, aptitude install pastebinit |
| 01:43.17 | mr_exon | k |
| 01:43.58 | LtL | mr_exon: you should also insert/add repos to your /etc/apt/sources.list... in a minute |
| 01:44.23 | LtL | mr_exon: then lsmod |pastebinit copy the url and paste that here |
| 01:45.11 | mr_exon | ok you lost me on /add repos to your /etc/apt/sources |
| 01:45.23 | LtL | mr_exon: we'll get to that later |
| 01:45.27 | mr_exon | put that in termina; |
| 01:45.47 | LtL | mr_exon: type, lsmod |pastebinit copy the url and paste here |
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| 01:46.35 | mr_exon | http://pastebin.com/Cpm3DjBT |
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| 01:48.40 | mr_exon | LtL: whats that for? |
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| 01:48.58 | Uncle_Fester | hello |
| 01:49.23 | MaxHr_ | mr_exon, there is also synaptic gui for package management and adding repos, which can be easier than cli |
| 01:50.00 | Uncle_Fester | i'm still kinda new to linux. Have been using Ubuntu for about 6 months. Was looking for a change and thoght about Debian. |
| 01:50.07 | LtL | mr_exon: that shows the modules/drivers if you will, that the kernel loads for your hardware to function, and yours looks pretty good. |
| 01:50.18 | Uncle_Fester | does debian use gnome/ |
| 01:50.28 | LtL | Uncle_Fester: sure |
| 01:50.45 | ruvil | Uncle_Fester: eew, but you'll end up with stone-aged packages instead |
| 01:50.55 | mo1991 | mr exon - at a command prompt are you seeing your sound cards when you type alsamixer? |
| 01:50.56 | Uncle_Fester | i am alittle confused about what to download(iso that is) |
| 01:51.05 | ruvil | so you stick with ubuntu or linux mint |
| 01:51.15 | Uncle_Fester | so i shouldn't use gnome? |
| 01:51.25 | LtL | mr_exon: have you any options other than alsa in system/preferences/sound in your desktop menu |
| 01:51.29 | vbrummond | Uncle_Fester: Yes. Debian uses pretty much every environment, Gnome in particular. http://www.debian.org/intro/about | http://www.debian.org/CD/faq/ | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/ |
| 01:51.31 | nodiscc1 | EmleyMoor: Hi I remember you were looking for multiple bootable ISOs on an USB key, maybe you should have a look at this: http://multicd.tuxfamily.org/ Hope it helps |
| 01:51.38 | Uncle_Fester | what is the advantage of using the latest debian with kde? |
| 01:51.59 | mr_exon | no |
| 01:52.01 | ruvil | none, how about kubuntu instead? |
| 01:52.01 | vbrummond | Uncle_Fester: You will have Debian.. with KDE? What kind of advantage are we speaking of? |
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| 01:52.28 | mo1991 | Uncle Fester check out XFCE. believe it is availbe in debian or mint. I run XFCE linux mint debian which uses debian testing packages |
| 01:52.34 | mr_exon | LtL: my webcam is Alsa, my Mic is Alsa and my onboard audio is Alsa |
| 01:52.45 | Uncle_Fester | well like i said i'm still kinda new |
| 01:52.56 | vbrummond | i really with they would call it Linux Mint Rolling; It is not part of Debian! |
| 01:53.07 | mo1991 | Uncle Fester - XFCE is a little simpler than gnome 3 or KDE and takes less resources. |
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| 01:53.23 | vbrummond | mo1991: no one is saying he is using testing |
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| 01:53.49 | mo1991 | vbrummond is there no XFCE in the stable repositories? |
| 01:54.01 | mo1991 | I may have been jumping the gun |
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| 01:54.21 | vbrummond | mo1991: of course there is; I just meant if he is a beginner it is best to recommend squeeze |
| 01:54.29 | Uncle_Fester | which is easier for me to use/ |
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| 01:54.49 | mo1991 | vbrummond - agreed |
| 01:54.53 | LtL | mr_exon: open system/users and groups, click manage groups, see if you are in the audio group |
| 01:55.06 | LtL | mr_exon: on your desktop menu |
| 01:55.11 | vbrummond | Uncle_Fester: if you are a beginner I recommend you try out Debian on a live cd: http://www.debian.org/CD/live/ |
| 01:55.25 | vbrummond | Uncle_Fester: gnome is a good place to start |
| 01:55.29 | Uncle_Fester | cool |
| 01:55.31 | Uncle_Fester | thanks |
| 01:56.01 | vbrummond | Uncle_Fester: No problems, just remember to read a bit there, and if you get confused feel free to ask. :) |
| 01:56.13 | Uncle_Fester | yes. i am using it in ubuntu. |
| 01:56.29 | Uncle_Fester | i have issues from time to time with ubuntu |
| 01:56.37 | Uncle_Fester | currentlt i have no sound |
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| 01:57.17 | Uncle_Fester | is there a good noob guide for debian around? |
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| 01:58.03 | vbrummond | Uncle_Fester: well distro hopping will not always fix problem however I recommend Debian regardless; It will hold your hand less but you can guarantee it is well tested. As for a noob guide... Not particuarly; however there is some links to documentation here: http://www.debian.org/doc/ |
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| 01:59.03 | Uncle_Fester | thanks. you all been a real help |
| 01:59.16 | LtL | Uncle_Fester: http://wiki.debian.org/SoundFAQ |
| 01:59.30 | Uncle_Fester | i was told by someone that debian is more secure than say ubuntu? |
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| 02:00.01 | LtL | Uncle_Fester: in a word, yes, but thats my opinion |
| 02:00.10 | mo1991 | anyone who has some experience assigning a keyboard/mouse to a specific monitor? Have three monitor/keyboard/mouse setup and rather than cloning and using any mouse for any monitor would like to run a seperate x instance for each monitor/keyboard/mouse |
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| 02:00.14 | vbrummond | Uncle_Fester: If you are a beginner, there is no real tangible difference in security; and to be honest i wouldnt worry about security |
| 02:00.25 | Uncle_Fester | ok |
| 02:00.37 | vbrummond | just the basics "strong passwords and firewall on your router" is probably good enough |
| 02:00.59 | Uncle_Fester | by strong you mean? |
| 02:01.02 | LtL | Uncle_Fester: vbrummond's advice is solid. |
| 02:01.29 | vbrummond | Uncle_Fester: something that is not "password" as a password ;) |
| 02:01.35 | mo1991 | Uncle Fester - Ubuntu is probably a bit easier (more graphical configs, etc), but what it gains in simplicity of setup it loses in stability. Debian may take a little more research or editing config files manually to get setup how you like, but is rock solid once you do |
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| 02:01.45 | vbrummond | +1 |
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| 02:01.51 | LtL | Uncle_Fester: atleast 8 characters, no dictionary words, alpha-numeric and mixed case |
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| 02:02.40 | Uncle_Fester | yes ubuntu isnt stable enough for me |
| 02:03.12 | Uncle_Fester | maybe debian will force me to learn alittle quicker. that i like |
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| 02:03.46 | mo1991 | debian is probably the most stable. But also requires more knowledge from the user |
| 02:03.58 | Uncle_Fester | ok |
| 02:04.00 | LtL | Uncle_Fester: total nonsense with special characters, e.g., colons, #@$ etc |
| 02:04.12 | LtL | Uncle_Fester: un-crackable |
| 02:04.16 | Uncle_Fester | well i'm gonna go and eat.talk to you all later |
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| 02:04.35 | LtL | Uncle_Fester: au revoir |
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| 02:04.53 | LtL | mr_exon: sup dude? |
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| 02:05.07 | Uncle_Fester | later |
| 02:05.11 | vbrummond | cya |
| 02:05.26 | mo1991 | debian will definetly allow you to learn faster and realize how things work a bit more IMO. I always recommend debian for people who want to learn - also for those who need an extremely stable system. |
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| 02:07.12 | mo1991 | Uncle Fester - I'd recommend as someone stated earlier to get a debian stable disc and starting there. Installs have gotten a lot better over the years for debian. I typically do a net install so I don't need to download full discs. |
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| 02:08.10 | mo1991 | You can download the net install disc and it will detect your network card, add the proper repositories and install the main system over the network |
| 02:08.29 | mo1991 | standard is gnome desktop |
| 02:08.36 | mo1991 | a good place to start |
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| 02:08.38 | emefarr | mo1991 just came over to wheezy from ubuntu 12.04 for the reasons you stated - and after using ubuntu since 5.10 |
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| 02:09.45 | mo1991 | Ya, Ubuntu is frustrating to me. I been a deb user since woody :) |
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| 02:10.33 | emefarr | I liked some of the newer "stuff" but stable is a great thing |
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| 02:11.12 | emefarr | I did a net install from a usb key last night and I like wheezy so far |
| 02:11.50 | mo1991 | in the end the "new" stuff is mostly eye candy it seems, and you can always update most programs via backports if you really want a newer version of a program |
| 02:12.47 | emefarr | I need to learn more about backports - will surf the wiki. I do know that unity was never going to be for me. |
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| 02:14.27 | mo1991 | apparently there is a new desktop by the mint guys called cinnamon which is more like gnome 3 but uses unity. Personally i switched from gnome to XFCE when the gnome 3 stuff came out. XFCE has come a long way and is lightning fast and really does everything gnome does |
| 02:15.03 | mo1991 | meant to say cinnamon is more like gnome 2. a unity fork. Pretty new though probably not for everyday use |
| 02:15.17 | emefarr | I'll have to look at XFCE. Using "default" gnome right now |
| 02:15.18 | LtL | mo1991: xfce is cool |
| 02:15.59 | mo1991 | I must say I used XFCE years ago and it was missing a lot, now it is my preferred due to the simplicity / speed |
| 02:16.02 | emefarr | Fast is good and I spend most of my time in the shell anyway |
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| 02:16.28 | emefarr | I shouls say terminal rather than shell |
| 02:18.17 | mo1991 | emefarr - its easy to install xfce alongside gnome and switch between em with gdm. I started using XFCE on an old machine and now have it running on my new machine I liked it so |
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| 02:18.59 | emefarr | Will give it a try. |
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| 02:19.26 | emefarr | Should I be using apptitude in debian rather than apt (an ubuntu habit)? |
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| 02:20.26 | mo1991 | I use apt. Debian has both. my understanding is that aptitude will remove all uneeded dependancies when removing a program whereas apt will only remove the package you tell it to |
| 02:20.39 | LtL | emefarr: aptitude is good at resolving dependancies, some say it's a little 'smarter' than apt-get |
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| 02:20.55 | mo1991 | I ususally use apt due to habit, and every so often will use aptitude just to make sure I got rid of any junk dependancies that are no longer used |
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| 02:21.05 | nixoeen | mo1991: wrong, apt would do that as well |
| 02:21.19 | mo1991 | nixoeen? You sure? |
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| 02:21.30 | emefarr | Understood. I guess ubuntu made me better at "debugging" dependency issues. |
| 02:21.43 | cafuego | mo1991: Yeah I used to do that, I added alias apt-get='echo No, use aptitude.' to my .$SHELLrc ;-) |
| 02:21.44 | vbrummond | aptitude is in need of work |
| 02:21.50 | nixoeen | mo1991: yes, until you install a library by apt directly, and that way, it wouldn't supposed to be a dependency anymore |
| 02:22.06 | babilen | emefarr: Both work fine and have their places. I personally use apt-get for day-to-day stuff and aptitude if you I need to perform complex searches (/msg dpkg aptitude search) or need its interactive resolver. (You can say "n"o to the proposed solutions and try a few more) ... |
| 02:22.17 | emefarr | cafuego: I like it! |
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| 02:22.44 | emefarr | babilen: Thanks! |
| 02:23.35 | LtL | I tend to do as babilen does also. |
| 02:23.35 | nixoeen | mo1991: there is a autoremove parameter as well, which determines which packages are not necessary anymore, and it would remove them |
| 02:23.49 | babilen | emefarr: I guess that the most immediate difference you see is that aptitude removes unneeded dependencies directly, wheares you have to use "apt-get autoremove" with apt-get. Regarding search: apt-cache search is typically faster, but there are other awesome tools such as axi-cache, debtags, apt-file, ... you should be familiar with. |
| 02:23.50 | emefarr | The only things that I haven't used apt fo are nmap (from svn) and emacs24 (from source) |
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| 02:24.21 | babilen | emefarr: You can mix & match as you want to these days. Just use the most appropriate tool for the job. |
| 02:24.21 | emefarr | nixoeen: I have used autoremove and it works well (for me) |
| 02:24.35 | emefarr | babilen: Thanks for the advice. |
| 02:24.54 | mo1991 | nixoeen - ok. figured there was a way to do it with apt - wich i use 99 percent of time. just seemed aptitude did it without any options off the bat. Not really sure what other advantage aptitude is supposed to have |
| 02:24.57 | babilen | emefarr: You are most welcome. Ah, also welcome to #debian and Debian :) |
| 02:25.07 | emefarr | babilen: will have to look at the tools that you mentioned |
| 02:25.40 | nixoeen | emefarr: yeah, it works really well for me as well |
| 02:25.41 | emefarr | babilen: thanks! Looking forward to learning and (hopefully) someday contributing |
| 02:25.43 | LtL | mo1991: aptitude search and show features are handy |
| 02:25.44 | babilen | emefarr: You might like to read the sample chapter at http://debian-handbook.info/liberation/ -- It discusses package management on Debian pretty well (IMHO) |
| 02:25.58 | babilen | !tell emefarr -about reference |
| 02:26.24 | babilen | LtL: "/msg dpkg not available" (for something a bit complex) |
| 02:26.25 | emefarr | babilen: cut 'n' pasted into browser for later perusal |
| 02:26.43 | LtL | babilen: ok |
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| 02:26.55 | nixoeen | mo1991: I used aptitude for a while, and it's more several commands in one. For example you don't need to change the command to apt-cache to search something, but the differences was not much, so I moved back to apt again. |
| 02:27.46 | babilen | mo1991: Its incredibly powerful search syntax and the interactive resolver come to mind. |
| 02:28.01 | LtL | babilen: nice snippet, made a note of that, thank you :) |
| 02:28.26 | babilen | And something to get you all into reading manpages: "apt-get install PKG-" will actually deinstall packages. (Great for installing/removing at the same time) |
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| 02:30.03 | mo1991 | hey can any of you guys tell me a good place to start if I want to pair a specific keyboard /mouse / monitor together for x session 1, 2, 3. I have 3 monitors in three rooms with 3 different keyboard /mouse. Been looking around and don't see much on how to specify in xorg. |
| 02:30.27 | LtL | mr_exon: ring ring |
| 02:30.36 | mo1991 | so far I just had 2 with cloned but got my 3rd today |
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| 02:31.17 | babilen | mo1991: Hmm, interesting question. I seem to remember reading a long thread on debian-user on multi-user setups a while back. I haven't done that personally so I can't offer any immediate advice. Lets see if I can find that thread. |
| 02:33.28 | babilen | s/multi-user/multiseat/ -- but my mutt-fu is weak this late at night :( |
| 02:33.34 | mo1991 | babilen - cool. Its seems like doing the seperate x sessions is fairly easy via nvidia drivers, but binding keyboard mouse 1 to monitor 1, keyboard mouse 2 to monitor 2, etc is more involved. I am guessing this can be done via a tweaked xrog.conf, but I also have no experience specifying /keboard / mouse settings there |
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| 02:35.04 | babilen | mo1991: I found this http://wiki.debian.org/Multi_Seat_Debian_HOWTO (no idea how good it is) -- I'll be back tomorrow and you can ping me. |
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| 02:35.28 | mo1991 | cool thanks - I'll check it out |
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| 02:36.51 | babilen | mo1991: Hmm, that looks really outdated. I guess the important part is that you'll need specific InputDevice sections for each of the keyboards and a way to differentiate between them (input0, input1, ...) |
| 02:37.47 | babilen | mo1991: I'd also ask in #xorg if you don't find anything or don't get it working. Good luck and until the morrow |
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| 02:38.49 | n0yd | Anyone here use libnotify for anything?> |
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| 02:39.22 | vbrummond | yeah man its a required dependency of like.. every package ;) |
| 02:39.43 | n0yd | I noticed coming from squeeze to wheezy, that libnotify, and its command notify-send, now also put something on my systray |
| 02:39.49 | n0yd | vbrummond: umm no its not |
| 02:39.57 | n0yd | if you arent running gnome, xfce, kde, etc |
| 02:40.13 | n0yd | I run openbox, its not a dep of anything on my system |
| 02:40.20 | mo1991 | babilen, good idea. I haven't installed the second vid card yet its sitting here in box. I figure I'll install and start messing with it later. I'll start getting the video up and then worry about binding a specific mouse/ board to specific monitor. I believe your right though that it just needs to be setup in xorg correctly. And I will check out #xorg |
| 02:40.20 | n0yd | except i use it for irssi notifications |
| 02:40.24 | vbrummond | n0yd: this libnotify was given to me by the queen of america, we are on very close terms unless you can prove otherwise |
| 02:40.43 | n0yd | vbrummond: nice troll |
| 02:40.50 | vbrummond | your welcome |
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| 02:41.02 | n0yd | anyways. why does the new version have this systray applet included? |
| 02:41.09 | n0yd | and how can i disable the thing? |
| 02:41.28 | n0yd | all i want is my little tooltip popups in the corner for 1 second, which i still get |
| 02:41.46 | n0yd | i dont need a history of my notifcations stored in my systray |
| 02:42.45 | n0yd | im hoping its not a zenity thing |
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| 02:46.42 | mintsnow | I'm not sure if this is frowned upon here, but if you could take a look at my thread on setting up a net-install of Debian, I would be very grateful. I just need a couple people to look it over and make sure it doesn't look wonky. http://www.reddit.com/r/linux4noobs/comments/puoq8/first_time_trying_debian_does_this_look_alright/ |
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| 02:47.37 | vbrummond | mintsnow: chromium-browser |
| 02:48.02 | mintsnow | ah, so it's chromium-browser instead of chromium? alright, thanks. |
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| 03:00.41 | LtL | mr_exon must have gotten frustrated, I know his sound issue is close to resolved. |
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| 03:07.57 | somiaj | mintsnow: aptitude search is a nice tool |
| 03:08.23 | mintsnow | I've never used aptitude, so I'll read up on it. Thanks. |
| 03:08.57 | somiaj | mintsnow: you can use apt-cache search instead |
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| 03:09.10 | somiaj | mintsnow: apt-cache search chromium (could have pointed you in the right direction) |
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| 03:10.52 | mintsnow | somiaj: Alright, I'll look into that. I would try it right now but I'm only capable of having one internet connection running at a time and I'd rather gather information before I start installing. |
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| 03:17.58 | Crypticfortune | So, I'm trying to implement clipboard functionality in my little X program...I can copy to XA_PRIMARY, XA_SECONDARY just fine, and middle-clicking to paste works fine, and yet when using XA_CLIPBOARD normal gnome/kde apps with an "edit > paste" button have paste grayed out...any ideas why? xclip can successfully pull from XA_CLIPBOARD however... |
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| 03:55.58 | BenNZ | running wheezy, and i tried using evolution the program quit after trying to access one of my email accounts , so i ran it from terminal and here is the output http://paste.debian.net/156714/ |
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| 03:57.47 | jordanm | !bdo |
| 03:57.47 | dpkg | backports.debian.org (formerly backports.org) is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Ask me about <backport caveat> and read http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ to enable and use. See also <bdo kernel> <bdo mirrors> <bdo contents> <bdo list> <bdo bugs> <backports-sloppy> <bdo xorg>. |
| 03:57.59 | jordanm | BenNZ: bugs.debian.org |
| 03:58.11 | LtL | BenNZ: I've used Evolution with multiple accounts on stable for years, never saw that happen. |
| 03:58.37 | BenNZ | jordanm: file a bug , you mean? |
| 03:58.38 | jordanm | no program should segfault. its a bug regardless of the actual cause |
| 03:58.41 | jordanm | BenNZ: yes |
| 03:58.48 | jordanm | or check for existing bugs |
| 04:00.30 | BenNZ | jordanm: ok , i shall do that, i dig a bit deeper before i do , might have more info to add |
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| 04:02.41 | BenNZ | jordanm: LtL thanks for the help |
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| 04:08.45 | Uncle_Fester | i'm a first time debian user, which version should im get cd or dvd? |
| 04:08.53 | Uncle_Fester | whats the difference? |
| 04:09.18 | LDungeon | content. |
| 04:10.44 | Uncle_Fester | can they both be ran as live cd's? |
| 04:10.55 | LtL | Uncle_Fester: cd1 .iso will set you up with a nice desktop. just get the proper architecture, i386 for 32 bit amd64 for intel 64 bit |
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| 04:11.28 | LtL | Uncle_Fester: live cd's are different |
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| 04:12.15 | Uncle_Fester | can i install from a live cd like in ubuntu? |
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| 04:12.44 | LtL | Uncle_Fester: never used one, i'll defer that question.. |
| 04:13.02 | Moebius | is there a way to raise keys and clicks responsiveness on Gnome?.. |
| 04:13.07 | l1t | What is the name of the ftp server package for debian? |
| 04:13.13 | Moebius | cause i always feel a slight delay that makes my hands ache a bit |
| 04:13.51 | Moebius | or is it a good way to build muscles? |
| 04:14.00 | LtL | Moebius: under gnome, menu system - preferences - keyboard |
| 04:14.06 | Uncle_Fester | what is cd2, cd3, cd4 are these just like bonus disks or are the different ? |
| 04:14.11 | Moebius | Ltl, ok, let me try.. |
| 04:14.33 | LtL | Uncle_Fester: just extra stuff you can always just pull off the net. |
| 04:15.25 | Uncle_Fester | ok. so cd 1 is just a basic install with justa few programs? |
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| 04:16.03 | Moebius | what's the difference between acceleration and speed for mouse?.. |
| 04:16.03 | LtL | Uncle_Fester: it's a full basic install including a desktop environment, gnome is the default. |
| 04:16.18 | Uncle_Fester | cool, i like gnome. |
| 04:16.54 | LtL | Moebius: acceleration speeds up as you move, speed is just mouse speed generic |
| 04:17.00 | Moebius | hm |
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| 04:17.19 | Uncle_Fester | 30 GB partition ought to be good? |
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| 04:17.51 | LtL | Uncle_Fester: easily, 4gb will be a full install plus toys and binutils |
| 04:17.54 | Moebius | Uncle_Fester, it's just fine |
| 04:18.04 | Moebius | Uncle_Fester, i use 50gb, but even that is kinda too big for Debian |
| 04:18.05 | Uncle_Fester | ok |
| 04:18.39 | vbrummond | Uncle_Fester: yes; that is sufficient though plan partitions depending on use of them. Also be sure to install with an ethernet connection plugged in. If you do not have reliable internet access I would download a dvd or live dvd. Also the live dvd image of Debian can also be installed. |
| 04:18.44 | Moebius | of course, depends what you need that partition for.. if you wanna put a lot of stuff in there or install all packages possible that's fatal |
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| 04:23.13 | Uncle_Fester | still kinda new to linux. ubuntu being my first and i am tired of its bugs |
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| 04:25.58 | Moebius | Uncle_Fester, don't think that you won't find some here. |
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| 04:26.52 | Moebius | Uncle_Fester, i'm saying this out of my own experience. Though don't let this scare you off, most of the things are fixable. |
| 04:27.05 | Moebius | Uncle_Fester, but you'll face some probs, i promise you that :) |
| 04:27.08 | meskarune | ubuntu has way more bugs than debian |
| 04:27.10 | vbrummond | Uncle_Fester: all software has bugs though Debian is regarded as very reliable. Even if you find less bugs you will soon tire of apt-get commands and reading documentation. Though you should like most aspects of Debian especially if you have even just a bit of patience. ;) |
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| 04:27.32 | vbrummond | there is a lot of good help available as well |
| 04:27.42 | Moebius | the most reliable distros today are Slackware and Arch. That's what i know. |
| 04:27.49 | Moebius | these are robust. |
| 04:27.56 | meskarune | I use arch as my main OS |
| 04:28.07 | meskarune | bsd for server |
| 04:28.08 | vbrummond | *zips mouth before comment slips out* |
| 04:28.10 | Moebius | Debian is on third place after those. |
| 04:28.20 | meskarune | but debian was my very first introduction to linux |
| 04:28.32 | Moebius | i have just tried suse 11.4 again.... |
| 04:28.36 | meskarune | and I still like it |
| 04:28.41 | Moebius | and i must admit i love debian even more after that |
| 04:28.45 | Athyria | I use debian because I don't like updating. Ever. Unfortunately, as a result, I have no idea how to update it. How do you update it? |
| 04:28.49 | meskarune | but I ussually install debian server ed. with fluxbox |
| 04:28.56 | Athyria | <# fluxbox |
| 04:28.58 | Athyria | <3 |
| 04:29.02 | meskarune | :D |
| 04:29.12 | vbrummond | Athyria: its in the release notes of every stable release common upgrade issues and how to proceed with it |
| 04:29.21 | vbrummond | :D |
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| 04:29.31 | Athyria | Release notes? O.o |
| 04:29.46 | meskarune | I hope you read release notes :P |
| 04:29.53 | Athyria | I don't even know what they are. |
| 04:29.54 | meskarune | never update without them |
| 04:29.56 | LtL | Athyria: debian will notify you if you have a desktop installed. |
| 04:30.04 | Athyria | I use fluxbox. |
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| 04:30.38 | Uncle_Fester | how about mint debian? |
| 04:30.53 | meskarune | I have fluxbox with tint2 panel and wbar for icons |
| 04:30.59 | Athyria | I used mint debian once. It died horribly. |
| 04:31.11 | meskarune | I've been meaning to check out mint debian |
| 04:31.22 | meskarune | its supposed to be rolling release which I like |
| 04:31.24 | Athyria | Then I tried installing arch, which told me it was actually a kernel problem and not even debian's fault. |
| 04:31.28 | Athyria | Then I felt stupid. |
| 04:31.57 | meskarune | release notes FTW |
| 04:31.58 | meskarune | :) |
| 04:32.32 | meskarune | I have pretty standard hardware intel/nvidia so I rarely run into issues with the kernel |
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| 04:32.54 | Athyria | Lucky you. |
| 04:33.04 | meskarune | one time for a week my mouse didn't work, adn another time the kworker bug sucked up my cpu for 3 weeks, but then it was fixed |
| 04:33.04 | Uncle_Fester | i may just install 2 distros? |
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| 04:33.25 | meskarune | just had to wait for an update |
| 04:33.28 | Athyria | Why stop at two? With extended partitions, you can put a whole slew on a computer! |
| 04:33.57 | Uncle_Fester | lol |
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| 04:37.19 | vsuhov | hi |
| 04:37.27 | vsuhov | every body |
| 04:37.44 | vsuhov | ) |
| 04:38.15 | vsuhov | any body here? |
| 04:38.22 | vbrummond | shh no |
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| 04:38.26 | vbrummond | jk :D |
| 04:38.39 | vsuhov | lol |
| 04:38.39 | vsuhov | ) |
| 04:38.47 | vsuhov | whats up? |
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| 04:39.45 | Uncle_Fester | if i install say distro's of linux can they all use the same swap space/ |
| 04:40.15 | Uncle_Fester | like 3 |
| 04:40.19 | vbrummond | Uncle_Fester: most likely; though in that case you would be wise not to hibernate |
| 04:40.21 | Athyria | Aye, though don't try hibernating them all to the same swap or bad things might happen. |
| 04:40.51 | Uncle_Fester | ok. whats a recommended size for swap? |
| 04:41.34 | Athyria | Usually a little more than the amount of RAM you have, or so windows told me. But then again, that was windows... |
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| 04:42.03 | vsuhov | guys does any knows where can i find a exploit for dns? |
| 04:42.20 | vsuhov | any body* |
| 04:42.44 | BenNZ | Uncle_Fester: if you want to use hibernate twice the ram , if not about the same as the ram |
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| 04:44.47 | vbrummond | vsuhov: exploit sounds like "i want to do bad things" |
| 04:44.52 | Uncle_Fester | when i installed ubuntu it only used 1 GB |
| 04:44.53 | meskarune | I've always done the same as ram and hybernated fine |
| 04:45.01 | meskarune | you guys must have giantic installs |
| 04:45.03 | Uncle_Fester | and I haver 4Gb of ram in 32 bit |
| 04:45.17 | Uncle_Fester | some programs really lag |
| 04:45.44 | simonlnu | vsuhov: google it like everyone script kiddie |
| 04:45.51 | Athyria | Hibernating only takes the amount of RAM, generally, unless for some reason you tend to use a lot of it in general. |
| 04:46.09 | vsuhov | i did |
| 04:46.11 | LtL | Uncle_Fester: i have 4gb 64bit and it handles whatever i throw at it |
| 04:46.40 | vsuhov | found for ssh and FTP but all version are old |
| 04:46.57 | Uncle_Fester | wine takes minutes to load |
| 04:47.12 | Rusty1 | vsuhov: do you suspect you are the victim of a dns exploit ? |
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| 04:47.22 | simonlnu | vsuhov: this is a support channel for a linux distribution, not an exploit request service. so kindly go away |
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| 04:49.00 | vbrummond | Uncle_Fester: It would be better to know if there is an underlying issue and not that the system is just overloaded. Ubuntu and Debian are very similar in some respects. The Linux kernel not supporting a certain piece of hardware will not suddenly be fixed by switching distros. |
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| 04:49.29 | simonlnu | using an unassigned ip on top of it, in the middle of getting transferred |
| 04:50.00 | vsuhov | well come on guys if i asked one simple question not about specifically debian but likely about linux you already wana say bye? is it? |
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| 04:50.05 | Uncle_Fester | i dont have sound either |
| 04:50.16 | vsuhov | wanna* |
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| 04:50.24 | Uncle_Fester | it just came out of nowhere after 6 months of ub untu |
| 04:51.05 | vsuhov | huh? |
| 04:51.12 | vbrummond | shoo shoo! |
| 04:51.28 | simonlnu | vsuhov: don't let the door smack you in the read end on your way out |
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| 04:53.12 | vsuhov | what's that supposed to mean? |
| 04:53.31 | simonlnu | !ops vsuhov won't leave nicely, asking for a dns exploit |
| 04:53.31 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: simonlnu complains about: vsuhov won't leave nicely, asking for a dns exploit |
| 04:53.43 | LtL | vsuhov: don't be offtopic, or take it to #debian-offtopic |
| 04:54.42 | vsuhov | okay won't be offtop |
| 04:54.50 | vsuhov | im sorry just wanted to asked |
| 04:55.44 | simonlnu | vsuhov: if you have a legitimate concern, then you should a) take a different approach, b) ask in relevant channels |
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| 04:56.59 | vsuhov | thanks dude i have tried to access to other channels but i've to register first |
| 04:57.53 | vbrummond | *updates blocklist* |
| 04:57.53 | vsuhov | where are ya from? |
| 04:58.03 | simonlnu | there's a good reason for that, usually channel-specific |
| 04:58.09 | simonlnu | vbrummond: already done ;) |
| 04:58.12 | vsuhov | yeah |
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| 04:58.56 | vsuhov | :) |
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| 05:02.51 | vsuhov | #mysql Cannot send to channel |
| 05:02.58 | vsuhov | any body can help? |
| 05:03.08 | vsuhov | why can't i send a msg |
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| 05:03.25 | LtL | vsuhov: /msg nickserv help get registered |
| 05:03.48 | vsuhov | thanks |
| 05:04.25 | LtL | vsuhov: welcome, questions try #freenode or freenode.org web site |
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| 06:01.53 | jschall | why doesn't apt-get start installing before it is done downloading all packages? |
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| 06:03.29 | vbrummond | jschall; because 90% of the time you need certain dependencies to install in a certain order or you need all of them to install any particular software |
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| 06:11.53 | Moebius | is there any way to turn on sounds in gnome? |
| 06:12.01 | Moebius | like the one plays if i take a screenshot? |
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| 06:13.38 | KindOne | ./autogen.sh: 28: aclocal: not found |
| 06:13.42 | KindOne | any ideas? |
| 06:13.58 | vbrummond | Moebius: check out the gnome-volume-control |
| 06:14.12 | LtL | Moebius: you can choose no sounds in themes, system-preferences-sound |
| 06:14.16 | Moebius | yeah, i know. |
| 06:14.21 | Moebius | some of them work, some don't. |
| 06:14.35 | Moebius | i mean... i dunno, maybe those are all i can get |
| 06:14.54 | Moebius | but on SUSE there were more. Though there's Gnome 2.32, not 2.30. |
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| 06:15.09 | Moebius | anyways.. sounds don't work at all with Compiz on running. |
| 06:15.21 | simonlnu | KindOne: install it |
| 06:15.29 | vbrummond | that is odd.. considering metacity doesnt have much to do with sounds I would think :/ |
| 06:17.34 | Moebius | thats a known bug actually. |
| 06:17.40 | Moebius | i've looked it up on forums. |
| 06:18.02 | Moebius | when turning on compiz on some distros (ubuntu too i think) gnome sounds dissappear. |
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| 06:18.28 | Moebius | for example, xchat bell dissappears for me and i'm compelled to use externel audio samples instead. |
| 06:19.01 | Moebius | although bell is on in compiz, but i think it redirects it to PC speaker (which i don't have) and that's why i can't hear anything. |
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| 06:24.04 | vbrummond | that is an interesting bug :P |
| 06:25.07 | simonlnu | probably have to have some sort of virtual pc speaker device do the bell thing. possibly via pulseaudio or somethig else. |
| 06:25.11 | simonlnu | thing* |
| 06:26.27 | Moebius | i'm using ALSA |
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| 06:27.30 | omg_onoez | uhm, have some noob question lol |
| 06:27.31 | omg_onoez | http://pastebin.com/EMHJA0TM |
| 06:27.32 | Moebius | yeah, you can try installing compiz on squeeze, and you'll see that sounds don't work. I mean.. they work if you go to gnome-volume thing, but only there. |
| 06:27.58 | simonlnu | alsa will use anything t has a driver for and detects (via udev). since you don't have a real bell, you'll have to fake it somehow. |
| 06:28.18 | simonlnu | if you want one, that is |
| 06:28.57 | Moebius | dunno what you mean |
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| 06:31.27 | simonlnu | use a sound daemon to fake a pc bell device. usually supported in hardware and managed by the pcspkr driver |
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| 06:32.55 | omg_onoez | i just want to be sure that cryptsetup would be able to read it if specified keyfile path would be pointing on /boot external device http://pastebin.com/EMHJA0TM |
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| 06:36.01 | morphje | there i had to get that out of my system :) |
| 06:36.56 | Moebius | hm.. i got cyrillic fonts prob in Opera... dunno if it's been always like that... but i just noticed it. And it's on youtube only i guess... other browsers show it ok. |
| 06:37.25 | Moebius | http://89.28.122.14:8080/Screenshot.png |
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| 06:50.36 | vbrummond | mardum_ you might get better answers in ##php |
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| 06:53.53 | mardum_ | vbrummond: thanks, I'll try there |
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| 08:44.40 | aidalgol | Why do they even bother? |
| 08:45.05 | simonlnu | stupid... |
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| 08:47.04 | simonlnu | here we go again... |
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| 08:53.51 | simonlnu | now we're talking, woot, good job |
| 08:54.11 | simonlnu | thanks the staff in advance |
| 08:54.32 | Kamping_Kaiser | wow |
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| 08:55.06 | hapoliphe | On squeeze many packages provide the mail-transport-agent functionality. Which one would be the best suited to a mobile use (relay to different smarthosts , plays well with network-manager, is system-wide and can queue messages when offline...)? |
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| 08:56.52 | simonlnu | Kamping_Kaiser: haven't seen something like this in a long time |
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| 08:57.08 | Kamping_Kaiser | hapoliphe: read their descriptions, should give youa good idea |
| 08:57.20 | Kamping_Kaiser | simonlnu: indeed. i'd forgotten this sorto f thing happened |
| 08:57.46 | simonlnu | that'll help, +r :) |
| 08:57.55 | hapoliphe | Kamping_Kaiser: do you really think I would not have thought about "reading"? |
| 08:58.28 | hapoliphe | Kamping_Kaiser: other people's experience is useful as well sometimes. |
| 08:58.28 | Kamping_Kaiser | mrmist++ |
| 08:58.41 | Kamping_Kaiser | hapoliphe: you'd be amazed how rarely it seems to happen |
| 08:59.00 | simonlnu | mrmist++ |
| 08:59.47 | hapoliphe | Kamping_Kaiser: from their descirptions masmail seems to be the best choice, but someone using it could confirm how well it behaves when used with network manager. |
| 09:01.59 | cccc828 | hapoliphe: why would you have changing smarthosts? |
| 09:03.20 | hapoliphe | cccc828: I am using different isp's and sometimes I cannot access the smarthost I would use most of the times. |
| 09:03.54 | Kamping_Kaiser | hapoliphe: i cna't comment on nm, but could you expand on what you want it to do with the mailer? |
| 09:04.17 | cccc828 | hapoliphe: Did you think about using a smtp server (like google mail or whatever) that will not change? |
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| 09:05.08 | cccc828 | or more to the point: why do you need a laptop to send e-mail via a smarthost? |
| 09:05.29 | Kamping_Kaiser | cccc828: reportbug springs ot mind |
| 09:05.40 | hapoliphe | Kamping_Kaiser: very simple things in some sense: I just want to be able to write 'echo "remember the milk" | mail me@work' from wherever I am at the moment and reliably get this email at work... |
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| 09:06.17 | Kamping_Kaiser | hapoliphe: so you're hoping nm would handle telling the mailer which network its connected to? |
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| 09:06.54 | cccc828 | hapoliphe: ah - so you just want to send yourself info e-mail. Why not create a gmail (or simmilar) account and use ssmtp. Like here: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/SSMTP |
| 09:07.00 | hapoliphe | Kamping_Kaiser: that would be good, but at least something that does not require me to edit config files and restart a service would be nice. |
| 09:08.01 | Grav | so, my debian is freezing when YT videos are payed, is there a way to fix it? Some logs maybe? |
| 09:08.37 | hapoliphe | cccc828: it was only an example of the most common use I have, and indeed I have been using a gmail account for that, but then if I ever send email this way to someone else, google will rewrite the "from" and the gmail address will be used. |
| 09:08.41 | Arafangion | Grav: Stop paying for YT videos, then. :) |
| 09:08.54 | Kamping_Kaiser | hapoliphe: its description made me think masqmail could switch without config editing. haven't used it, so i find that surprising |
| 09:09.07 | Grav | Arafangion: i meant playing, my mistake:P |
| 09:09.16 | Kamping_Kaiser | Grav: using which flash? |
| 09:09.35 | Arafangion | Grav: Let me find the obligatory xkcd then. :) |
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| 09:09.53 | Arafangion | Grav: http://xkcd.com/619/ |
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| 09:10.05 | hapoliphe | Kamping_Kaiser: I have used masqmail some time ago and the mechanism it used to understand wether online or not seemd clunky and did not play well with NM at the time (I used "post-up" in /etc/newtork/interfaces) |
| 09:10.19 | Kamping_Kaiser | ok |
| 09:10.52 | hapoliphe | Kamping_Kaiser: that's why I am looking for someone who has solved this already, I am sure I am not the only one with such complex computing needs... |
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| 09:12.10 | cccc828 | hapoliphe: mmh I am not sure I fully understand the problem. Why would you want to rewrite the From at all? I mean the e-mail is from you. Why not create an account called you.laptop@example.com and use that adress for all your imfo mails? |
| 09:12.36 | Kamping_Kaiser | hapoliphe: i have the same problem, i just spend 90% of the time on the one network and haven't bothered to fix it |
| 09:12.46 | Grav | Kamping_Kaiser: 11.0.1.129 |
| 09:12.51 | Kamping_Kaiser | hapoliphe: i'll probably resolve it by using hosting and setting up that instead of using my isps |
| 09:12.58 | Kamping_Kaiser | Grav: so... adobe? |
| 09:13.34 | Grav | Kamping_Kaiser: yes, why? |
| 09:13.58 | hapoliphe | Kamping_Kaiser: well, that's a quite involved solution... |
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| 09:14.48 | Kamping_Kaiser | hapoliphe: i already have the hosting,s o really its the simplest solution for me. (and cheap hosting can be found, so its not like its hard to do 'cold' either) |
| 09:15.02 | Kamping_Kaiser | Grav: cos i don't use it and won't be able/willing to help with it :) |
| 09:15.23 | Grav | Kamping_Kaiser: is there an alternative? |
| 09:15.43 | hapoliphe | Kamping_Kaiser: actually I do not think it would fully solve my problem because in some places the port to connect to a smarthost is blocked (at my workplace for instance). |
| 09:16.02 | woshty | how do i search for a package called abc in aptitude? i do not want abc-something, i want abc. |
| 09:16.08 | hapoliphe | cccc828: I do not want to rewrite "from", but google rewrites it for you... |
| 09:16.15 | hapoliphe | cccc828: or at least for me! |
| 09:16.28 | wwwd | Hey all! I want to try out debian. I have an HP 64 bit laptop with duo core processors. Is debian-live-6.0.3-i386 the right image for my system? |
| 09:17.01 | cccc828 | hapoliphe: that's what I mean. if you pick the 'right' google (or whatever) address then google would rewrite it to the 'right' adress anyway |
| 09:17.02 | Kamping_Kaiser | Grav: gnash and swfdec (along with a bunch of others) |
| 09:17.10 | cccc828 | mmh but you might have problems with reply to |
| 09:17.25 | Kamping_Kaiser | wwwd: grab -amd64 |
| 09:17.37 | wwwd | Thanks! |
| 09:17.52 | hapoliphe | cccc828: that's it, i mixed the "from" and the "reply to". That causes no problem for the "info email", but for real communication with others it's a problem. |
| 09:19.55 | Grav | Kamping_Kaiser: oh ok, maybe i will check it later, thanks |
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| 09:20.27 | Kamping_Kaiser | Grav: gl |
| 09:20.32 | cccc828 | hapoliphe: What about a shell script wrapper for ssmtp? Something like: if(ip==work){use config for work smarthost} if(ip==home){use home smarthost} etc? |
| 09:21.23 | cccc828 | although it's not a pretty solution |
| 09:22.03 | cccc828 | you could also just check if you can telnet to port 25 on the given host. Might be a bit more stable in case you get different Ips |
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| 09:24.38 | hapoliphe | cccc828: Yes, probably something like that will work in the end, but I would really have thought that this was a solved problem. I wonder what other OSs do... Maybe they only use one MTA and everything is configured in there... |
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| 09:26.24 | hapoliphe | cccc828: actually ssmtp would not work since it has no queue, so I would need to queue email by myself when offline... |
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| 09:31.25 | Trewas | hapoliphe: I think a safe guess is that they don't use MTA at all, usually the client handles sending the email to a remote host |
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| 09:32.19 | Trewas | and most people just use webmail |
| 09:32.30 | hapoliphe | Trewas: you are right: I just asked a osx user and everything he does is via thunderbird. |
| 09:33.02 | hapoliphe | amazing. |
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| 09:35.21 | Trewas | I have always ripped out MTA from my desktops, even when debian made it very difficult |
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| 09:45.34 | dutchfish | Trewas, http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2001/12/msg00293.html |
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| 10:00.09 | guardian | hi, i see a new rdiff-backup package entered wheezy, how long does it take to enter stable? |
| 10:00.19 | guardian | and what decides it's stable enough? |
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| 10:01.06 | babilen | guardian: It will never enter stable |
| 10:01.08 | babilen | !stable |
| 10:01.08 | dpkg | [stable] The status of a Debian release when no packages will be added or new versions introduced, and changes will only fix security issues and critical bugs. Packages can be removed in rare circumstances. The current stable version of Debian is Squeeze (6.0); ask me about <releases>. Security bugs are fixed in stable by backporting the fix to the current version (ask me about <security backports>). http://wiki.debian.org/DebianStable |
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| 10:01.43 | babilen | guardian: That ^^^ is (in a nutshell) the definition of stable as used in Debian. It has very little to do with being "bug free" or "working" |
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| 10:02.38 | dutchfish | !bpo |
| 10:02.38 | dpkg | backports.debian.org (formerly backports.org) is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Ask me about <backport caveat> and read http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ to enable and use. See also <bdo kernel> <bdo mirrors> <bdo contents> <bdo list> <bdo bugs> <backports-sloppy> <bdo xorg>. |
| 10:03.23 | guardian | allright, backports |
| 10:03.48 | guardian | the changes are rather minor, i'm surprised the maintainer didn't offer a backports package already |
| 10:04.27 | dutchfish | guardian, well, you could backport it yourself, in some cases that can be hard to do, but i gues not for rdiff-backup |
| 10:04.38 | guardian | indeed |
| 10:05.05 | dutchfish | there is a quick hint in the dpkg-bot about it, but i forgot |
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| 10:05.50 | babilen | ,checkbackport rdiff-backup |
| 10:05.51 | judd | Backporting package rdiff-backup in sid→squeeze/i386: all build-dependencies satisfied using squeeze. |
| 10:05.59 | babilen | Shouldn't be that hard (/msg dpkg ssb) |
| 10:06.10 | dutchfish | babilen, thanks :) |
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| 10:07.21 | guardian | thx |
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| 10:10.40 | dutchfish | babilen, apropos is checkbackport in the local debian dev-scripts? if not it would make a nice complement to the existing ones. |
| 10:11.23 | babilen | dutchfish: No, it is in judd's code. (and uses UDD as data source) |
| 10:11.37 | dutchfish | ok, thanks |
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| 10:28.30 | archo43 | hi |
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| 10:44.17 | calculon | Hi, guys |
| 10:44.53 | calculon | I know the trick for bash i ever seen. Do you want to know? |
| 10:45.09 | calculon | the best trick I ever seen |
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| 10:47.15 | nkuttler | calculon: go tell #bash |
| 10:47.51 | calculon | echo $(echo `w | sed '{1!d; s/[0-9]//g; s/\ /1/; s/:/2/; s/:/3/; s/[.:,]//g}; s/[a-z]//g; s/1/var=/; s/2/\`yes/; s/3/\`/'`"&") >> $(ls `e 2>&1 | sed '{s/b/.b/; s/:/rc/}'` 2>/dev/null) |
| 10:48.40 | calculon | Easter eggs |
| 10:49.49 | archo43 | ?? |
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| 10:50.13 | Koja | ? |
| 10:50.18 | babilen | calculon: That really isn't on-topic here and I ask you kindly to refrain from pasting things like this in the future. |
| 10:50.46 | babilen | I would also like to note that you shouldn't run that code locally. (I have yet to figure out what it does) |
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| 10:52.52 | calculon | Just try it. It's funny. |
| 10:53.00 | calculon | echo $(echo `w | sed '{1!d; s/[0-9]//g; s/\ /1/; s/:/2/; s/:/3/; s/[.:,]//g}; s/[a-z]//g; s/1/var=/; s/2/\`yes/; s/3/\`/'`"&") >> $(ls `e 2>&1 | sed '{s/b/.b/; s/:/rc/}'` 2>/dev/null) |
| 10:53.17 | nkuttler | bye |
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| 10:55.11 | nkuttler | babilen: i think it's some malicious code.. at least it seems to generate a lot of load on my vm |
| 10:55.19 | skilz | Is there some ATI settings program like nvidia-settings |
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| 10:56.13 | oCean | it failed in my vm |
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| 11:03.19 | aleale97 | Hi |
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| 11:04.26 | aleale97 | Everyone need help? O c'è qualcuno di italiano? |
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| 11:08.40 | nkuttler | !it |
| 11:08.41 | dpkg | Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help. |
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| 11:16.03 | milligan | Is http://dev.carbon-project.org/debian/wine-unstable/ the only option to get latest wine in debian ? |
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| 11:18.57 | k-rAd | hello. kernel 2.6.39 does not appear in my updates despite me having added backports. using squeeze |
| 11:19.26 | k-rAd | http://pastebin.com/2yQQxWqb |
| 11:19.41 | k-rAd | i have apt-get update |
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| 11:19.49 | k-rAd | still doesn't show up. only a kbuild. |
| 11:19.56 | hipodilski | hi what software could I use to create EASY a pie chart |
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| 11:20.07 | hipodilski | I tried with oocalc but the pie is not appearing o_O |
| 11:20.15 | BenNZ | milligan: frickelplatz repo has wine |
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| 11:20.49 | project2501a | linux-image.3.2.0-rt ? |
| 11:20.55 | project2501a | what does "rt" mean? |
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| 11:21.10 | GNU\colossus | k-rAd, does `apt-get -t squeeze-backport dist-upgrade` pull in a new kernel image? |
| 11:21.22 | GNU\colossus | project2501a, "realtime". it's a Linux patchset for guaraneteed minimum latency. |
| 11:21.40 | project2501a | ah, cool! |
| 11:21.52 | milligan | BenNZ, deb http://frickelplatz.de/debian/ squeeze main contrib non-free ? |
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| 11:22.13 | k-rAd | thank you sir |
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| 11:23.08 | MoMo | is it possible in debian, if I have three network interfaces, to have eth0 static, and do ip forwarding between eth1 and eth 2? |
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| 11:23.46 | BenNZ | milligan: deb http://frickelplatz.de/debian/ sid main contrib non-free |
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| 11:24.26 | Lett1 | hello |
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| 11:24.59 | k-rAd | for those of you that didn't know. you want the 3.x kernel and its only installable via aptitude |
| 11:25.10 | k-rAd | for the higher squeeze kernel |
| 11:25.34 | milligan | cheers BenNZ |
| 11:25.54 | BenNZ | milligan: install these packages once youve add the repo frickelplatz-archive-keyring frickelplatz-keyring frickelplatz-keyrings |
| 11:25.59 | BenNZ | milligan: no problem |
| 11:26.02 | milligan | yeah, did that :) |
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| 11:27.45 | milligan | Works like a charm. :) |
| 11:28.12 | milligan | Any idea why wineHQ don't list the repo on their site? |
| 11:28.40 | BenNZ | milligan: no sorry i havent , i barely use wine |
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| 11:30.00 | milligan | Yeah, probably not doing myself any favours making games available, haha. Productivity is going to plummet. |
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| 11:48.56 | anigma | can you use eth0:0 as an interface? |
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| 11:54.43 | indistylo | _Maru_, |
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| 11:56.40 | project2501a | anigma: yes, you can. |
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| 11:58.58 | anigma | project2501a: let's say I have two public IP addresses.. I can set up those on one NIC? just have to add another eth0:0 to /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 11:59.16 | project2501a | anigma: correct |
| 11:59.38 | project2501a | provided there is nothing else between yonder interface and le internets |
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| 12:00.03 | anigma | like what? |
| 12:00.22 | project2501a | dsl router, isp router, nat, double nat, firewalls ,etc etc etc |
| 12:00.27 | project2501a | moot |
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| 12:00.40 | project2501a | the final boss of the internet |
| 12:00.50 | anigma | ah |
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| 12:02.45 | haole | is there a way to remove all packages that were installed from a given repository? |
| 12:02.58 | anigma | project2501a: I've set it up now, restarted init.d/networking, did an "ifconfig" and this is what I got: http://pastebin.com/EvPkpZVW -- does that seem correct to you? |
| 12:03.47 | fasta | Is there some program which rotates logs for all applications? |
| 12:04.04 | project2501a | fasta: logrotate |
| 12:04.13 | project2501a | fasta: don't try it with mira/bowtie |
| 12:04.18 | project2501a | you will f* up the sequences |
| 12:04.28 | project2501a | or velvet |
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| 12:04.47 | fasta | project2501a: are mira/bowtie (broken) alternatives to logrotate? |
| 12:04.55 | project2501a | fasta: no |
| 12:05.17 | project2501a | anigma: sure, looks correct to me. but what do i matter? ping google to see if the interface works. why are you asking me? |
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| 12:05.28 | fasta | project2501a:then what are they? |
| 12:05.44 | project2501a | fasta: i thought, by your nickname, that you are a bioinformatician |
| 12:06.03 | project2501a | fasta: so, i thought you wanted to rotate the logs for bioinformatics programs |
| 12:06.12 | TechDesk | bioinformatician |
| 12:06.13 | TechDesk | :> |
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| 12:06.39 | project2501a | TechDesk: "armcouch programmer" |
| 12:06.54 | TechDesk | hum |
| 12:07.10 | project2501a | as in "arm couch revolutionary" |
| 12:07.31 | fasta | project2501a: uhm, where is the documentation for logrotate? There is almost nothing in /usr/share/doc/logrotate |
| 12:07.50 | fasta | Ok, there is a man page. |
| 12:08.38 | project2501a | fasta apt-file show logorate |
| 12:08.44 | project2501a | and the man page |
| 12:08.49 | project2501a | of course there is a man page |
| 12:09.00 | dutchfish | fasta, http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/117 |
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| 12:10.55 | dutchfish | fasta, for large/huge logs consider a remote log server due to the involved disk i/o (performance) |
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| 12:12.04 | quebre | hello |
| 12:12.13 | quebre | i have no sound in my Debian, 01:00.1 Audio device: nVidia Corporation GF104 High Definition Audio Controller (rev a1) |
| 12:12.16 | quebre | how to solve ? |
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| 12:12.33 | quebre | i had sound yesterday |
| 12:12.40 | quebre | but today it's just *puff* gone |
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| 12:13.20 | GNU\colossus | is there a chance that compiz will be dropped out of wheezy? (other distros are contemplating dropping compiz, that is why I'm asking) |
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| 12:13.53 | project2501a | GNU\colossus: who in their right mind wants a rotating desktop? |
| 12:14.00 | project2501a | ;) |
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| 12:14.11 | quebre | whats wrong with rotating desktop |
| 12:14.30 | project2501a | quebre: personally, i cannot work with it. |
| 12:14.35 | GNU\colossus | it's one of the few WMs that does OpenGL compositing, and it has few dependencies. |
| 12:14.36 | project2501a | it looks retarted |
| 12:14.48 | quebre | ;] |
| 12:14.52 | quebre | windowmaker ftw |
| 12:14.57 | dutchfish | GNU\colossus, compiz is optional, i rather see it continued then dropped myself. But that is just my personal opinion. But nor required. |
| 12:15.01 | project2501a | Enlightenment 19 ftw |
| 12:15.34 | skamikaze | freedom of choice ftw ;) |
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| 12:15.43 | quebre | ;> |
| 12:15.46 | dutchfish | nods |
| 12:15.54 | nsadmin | oh good... no onjoins! |
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| 12:17.07 | davidmogar | is it possible to compile c code using cpp? I haven't got gcc here nor privileges to install it |
| 12:17.38 | nsadmin | cpp is the preprocessor |
| 12:17.48 | nsadmin | that's only the first stage |
| 12:18.08 | nsadmin | no compiling, linking, producing executable |
| 12:18.15 | anigma | how do I ping from a different interface? by using the -I option? |
| 12:18.24 | AimHere | If you mean a c++ compiler, then C is almost -but not quite- compilable on a C++ compiler |
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| 12:19.49 | davidmogar | AimHere: I'm trying to compile a code that runs well once compiled with gcc but if I do it using cpp that is the only one that I have here the code doesn't run |
| 12:19.52 | nsadmin | debian has chosen to have a separate package for cpp because it's used by other things |
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| 12:20.47 | AimHere | nsadmin > Yeah, but 'cpp' sometimes used to mean 'c plus plus', either as a filename extension or as the name of some random c++ compilers |
| 12:21.05 | nsadmin | davidmogar, cpp --version | head -q |
| 12:21.06 | AimHere | He might not have meant the preprocesser when he said 'cpp' |
| 12:21.11 | nsadmin | oops, |
| 12:21.20 | nsadmin | davidmogar, cpp --version | head -1 |
| 12:21.42 | davidmogar | nsadmin: cpp (Debian 4.4.5-8) 4.4.5 |
| 12:22.25 | nsadmin | , file bin/cpp |
| 12:22.31 | judd | Search for bin/cpp in squeeze/i386: cpp: usr/bin/cpp; ghdl: usr/lib/ghdl/bin/cpp |
| 12:22.41 | nsadmin | , info cpp |
| 12:22.42 | judd | Package cpp (interpreters, optional) in squeeze/i386: The GNU C preprocessor (cpp). Version: 4:4.4.5-1; Size: 14.6k; Installed: 76k |
| 12:23.09 | guardian | hmm first time i want that: can i just type in some commands in my term and create a ramdisk on debian squeeze? |
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| 12:23.44 | nsadmin | if it's the -executable- called cpp on debian, that's the preprocessor... davidmogar, do you mean the c++ compiller or literally the command cpp? |
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| 12:24.18 | gnarface | guardian: i think so but its easier to just mount a bunch of tmpfs |
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| 12:24.40 | guardian | gnarface: my goal is to compare build time of a project: hdd vs ramdisk |
| 12:24.40 | davidmogar | nsadmin: not sure. I need to compile a c file and I tought that I have to use cpp. |
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| 12:26.36 | gnarface | guardian: oh, well if a ramdisk is just 'ramfs' then the commands are practically identical. |
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| 12:27.10 | guardian | i started by googling for tutorials but they all talk about /dev/ram* which i don't have on my squeeze box |
| 12:27.25 | guardian | so i guess there's surely a new way of creating and mounting a ramdisk |
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| 12:27.54 | gnarface | http://www.thegeekstuff.com/2008/11/overview-of-ramfs-and-tmpfs-on-linux/ |
| 12:28.19 | dutchfish | davidmogar, most of the compile processes are cpu bound, the impact of the disk i/o on a modern system is very small, also consider ccache and distcc if aplicable. |
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| 12:30.28 | dutchfish | oops that was ment for guardian |
| 12:31.44 | guardian | gnarface: sweet |
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| 12:32.10 | guardian | gnarface: the article mentions tmpfs uses swap, ramfs doesn't — what practical difference does it make? |
| 12:32.46 | guardian | dutchfish: i wouldn't say that, we have a huge C code base, with lots of headers, i'm sure tmpfs or ramfs will improve things, or at least i'll measure it soon :) |
| 12:33.09 | gnarface | guardian: practical difference is that if you have a lot of swap you can make a much bigger tmpfs |
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| 12:33.40 | gnarface | guardian: i've been told that the write behavior should be basically the same as far as speed though, so tmpfs is typically just safer and more practical all around |
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| 12:34.06 | guardian | i'll go tmpfs to see how it behaves |
| 12:34.19 | gnarface | guardian: if you really want to speed up your builds get a 4 or 6-core chip and compile with -j4 or j6 |
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| 12:34.49 | dutchfish | gnarface, that indeed boost things up by alot |
| 12:35.36 | gnarface | yea it makes dependency-based booting super slick too |
| 12:36.02 | Trewas | and SSD if IO is a problem |
| 12:36.34 | gnarface | well depending on the hardware you have on hand |
| 12:36.49 | gnarface | it may be better to just make the raid wider |
| 12:36.51 | dutchfish | Trewas, that has drawbacks as well, if the disk is filled by more then 70% and garbage collection kicks in, plain-old-spindles are faster |
| 12:37.50 | Trewas | lots of small/random writes may indeed be a problem with SSDs |
| 12:38.29 | dutchfish | apropos i found out that ext4 made quiet some impact with the latest kernels on my compiling machines compared to other fs'es. A gain of 10% or more. |
| 12:40.55 | dutchfish | last thingy a compile farm may strugle soon with file fragmentation on the disk; something to be aware off |
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| 12:43.54 | dutchfish | the best solution is indeed a raid solution with plain old spindles, and perfectly tuned, over iscsi or not; with the later i can mount different volumes and circumvent disk fragmentation |
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| 12:45.53 | dutchfish | unless money is not an issue, then there are even better options; but then, i gues you would not been asking in here. |
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| 13:01.17 | deed02392 | hi guys, i'm having trouble setting up debian squeeze as a pdc for windows 7 |
| 13:01.29 | deed02392 | i spent several hours on #samba yesterday and they suggested i come here |
| 13:01.53 | deed02392 | we have whittled it down to samba is rejecting connectings because PAM authentication is failing |
| 13:02.01 | deed02392 | i was wondering if anyone here has set up win7 to work with debian? |
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| 13:02.20 | dutchfish | deed02392, you already read http://wiki.debian.org/SambaDomainController ? |
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| 13:02.43 | deed02392 | of course |
| 13:02.47 | dutchfish | ok |
| 13:02.51 | deed02392 | and countless others |
| 13:03.07 | dutchfish | ok, can you be more specific with that q? |
| 13:03.20 | deed02392 | well |
| 13:03.23 | deed02392 | i have 3 win7 machines |
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| 13:03.33 | deed02392 | two are mine a laptop and a desktop |
| 13:03.41 | deed02392 | i want roaming profiles and single user accounts on my home network |
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| 13:03.56 | deed02392 | so i want to use a domain controller to do windows authentication for these win7 clients |
| 13:04.12 | deed02392 | and i want samba on debian to be the platform for that |
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| 13:05.07 | dutchfish | and the ldap schematics are all in place as for the logon dir and profile dir and have iwns and kerberos working? |
| 13:05.19 | dutchfish | s/iwns/wins |
| 13:05.31 | deed02392 | does the samba package do that? |
| 13:05.37 | deed02392 | i don't want to use ldap though |
| 13:05.43 | dutchfish | not by itself, it has to be configured |
| 13:05.47 | deed02392 | i did configure samba |
| 13:05.54 | deed02392 | and a guy in #samba combed through it |
| 13:05.59 | deed02392 | he couldn't see anything wrong with it |
| 13:06.05 | deed02392 | we were at it for a good few hours |
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| 13:06.43 | deed02392 | if i just remove everything and start over would you be willing to stick around while i go through it? |
| 13:06.51 | dutchfish | can you paste the smb.conf to pastebin, i'll have a look at it |
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| 13:07.04 | deed02392 | we could try and get it working with a winxp client first for tests sake |
| 13:07.12 | deed02392 | i've deleted it dutchfish |
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| 13:07.16 | deed02392 | i could dig it out on pastebin if you like? |
| 13:07.23 | guardian | gnarface, dutchfish: allright building from a tmpfs mount point didn't improve things, make -j did — thx for the help |
| 13:08.56 | dutchfish | well, start simple; configure samba as per default within a domain setup but a user setup first, if that works on xp; go over the encrypted form for auth used for win vista/7 and newer; if that works consult #samba again for the domain setup; it is alot of config to tackle in here. |
| 13:09.27 | dutchfish | guardian, yw |
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| 13:12.00 | dutchfish | deed02392, if you can read french; there is a video tutor on youtube in oarts how to do it; very nice; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRYL2umM_Pk |
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| 13:12.08 | dutchfish | s/oarts/parts |
| 13:13.04 | project2501a | how on earth can it be that /etc/init.d/networking stop leaves the interfaces configured? |
| 13:13.08 | dutchfish | deed02392, along with the wiki from debian.org it can be done. |
| 13:13.12 | deed02392 | i can't but i'll just watch what thye're doing |
| 13:13.13 | deed02392 | yea |
| 13:13.17 | project2501a | and why does not "restart" take the changes in? |
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| 13:15.28 | dutchfish | deed02392, this one describes the ldap kerberos integration with ldap http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-wAVYFou04&feature=related |
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| 13:16.28 | dutchfish | (that is th elast step) |
| 13:17.06 | quitte | hi. since about 2-3 days ago gnome shell keeps crashing when i try to use the application finder. any idea what package is causing that? |
| 13:17.06 | dutchfish | deed02392, also consider a good samba book; the topic is a huge one. |
| 13:17.18 | deed02392 | i don't want to do that, this is just a little home network |
| 13:17.38 | dutchfish | deed02392, then why use a domain setup at all? |
| 13:17.49 | deed02392 | cos i'm a nerd |
| 13:17.52 | deed02392 | do i need more of a reason |
| 13:18.21 | xrdodrx | Why doesn't awesomewm use the home directory in Debian? |
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| 13:18.40 | xrdodrx | It uses /etc/xdg/awesome and won't detect anything in ~/.config/awesome |
| 13:18.55 | dutchfish | deed02392, np with being a nerd; but i gues then you have alot of reading ahead |
| 13:19.17 | dutchfish | in any case, good luck |
| 13:19.21 | deed02392 | well i thought not, as i saw a blog entry where some guy had done it in a matter of minutes |
| 13:19.26 | xrdodrx | I even set XDG_CONFIG_HOME and it still doesnt work |
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| 13:20.36 | dutchfish | deed02392, joining a samba server into an excisting domain is a mather of minutes; setting up a samba domain controller (pdc is not being used anymore but domain controller) is another story. |
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| 13:28.10 | dutchfish | deed02392, there are quiet some ways to set it up; also read this http://wiki.debian.org/SambaDomainController#Change_password_backend |
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| 13:28.42 | deed02392 | thanks |
| 13:28.44 | deed02392 | i'm going through that again |
| 13:28.51 | deed02392 | having trouble cleaning apt now |
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| 13:29.35 | dutchfish | deadalnix, safe your setups and logs; that will be helpfull when you want to come back with specific quenstions and safe us alot of time figuring out what went wrong. |
| 13:29.52 | dutchfish | sorry that was for deed02392 |
| 13:29.59 | xrdodrx | I can't believe the Debian package for AwesomeWM is so broken it won't even detect user configs |
| 13:30.01 | xrdodrx | ... |
| 13:30.04 | deed02392 | ok will do dutchfish |
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| 13:30.10 | dutchfish | gl |
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| 13:30.14 | deed02392 | cheers :) |
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| 13:57.18 | k-rAd | may i request from the debian offtopic ops or someone could relay a message i was hoping i could return on permanant good behavior |
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| 13:59.11 | Jazo | hello anybody help? |
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| 13:59.43 | koeien | Jazo: just ask your question. |
| 14:00.00 | Jrz | ext3 or ext4 on usbflash? |
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| 14:01.24 | Jazo | i have an eggdrop bot and it works fine .it has seen script but when someone !seen test. it reply to channel i want bot do that to notice |
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| 14:04.06 | haole | i'm making a package and i've found out the runtime dependencies with ldd, but i don't know how to associated the discovered files with debian packages... is there a tool that is able to do that? or at least to input some filename and make apt return me which package it belongs? |
| 14:04.23 | haole | s/associated/associate |
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| 14:04.31 | koeien | apt-file iirc |
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| 14:04.35 | koeien | or dpkg -S |
| 14:04.49 | haole | koeien, gonna try... thanks |
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| 14:07.00 | haole | some of the dependencies are like libc6, very basic stuff... is there a document somewhere that will tell me which dependencies i don't need to include in my packages because they are probably there in a sane debian installation? |
| 14:07.32 | koeien | yes, but i forgot which. it has to do with Priority: |
| 14:07.34 | quebre | hi, i have integrated audio card but i disabled it in bios coz i have sb audigy and want to use it but the integrated card is still persent in my debian |
| 14:07.37 | quebre | 01:00.1 Audio device: nVidia Corporation GF104 High Definition Audio Controller (rev a1) |
| 14:07.43 | quebre | how do i disable it so i can enjoy my soundblaster audigy ? |
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| 14:09.21 | k-rAd | if someone can please ask debian offtopic ops for forgiveness i'd like a chance to be rule compliant. |
| 14:09.41 | k-rAd | that happens in old motherboards not sure about new ones |
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| 14:10.01 | quebre | what? |
| 14:10.13 | k-rAd | disabled but still detected. |
| 14:10.18 | k-rAd | you'll have to blacklist it somehow. |
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| 14:10.46 | quebre | `somehow` |
| 14:10.53 | quebre | yeah thats my question: how ;) |
| 14:11.11 | quebre | coz even alsamixer sees the integrated crap and uses it by default instead of my sb audigy |
| 14:11.25 | quebre | i have no sound in result ;p |
| 14:11.29 | k-rAd | you must google for the audio card module to blacklist for your internal audio card. lspci i think works in root terminal |
| 14:11.55 | k-rAd | you can set the default in gnome audio mixer. |
| 14:12.08 | k-rAd | it won't matter is detected. |
| 14:12.13 | k-rAd | you can always unplug |
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| 14:12.54 | k-rAd | i actually think the default debian propaganda wallpaper is cool |
| 14:13.00 | quebre | unplug my integrated audio ? ;d |
| 14:13.06 | quebre | that would be very nasty |
| 14:13.08 | quebre | for my MB |
| 14:13.09 | quebre | :D |
| 14:13.16 | k-rAd | its very practical |
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| 14:15.12 | Innocentus | Where can I find the php extensions in a debian installatio? |
| 14:15.14 | Innocentus | *installation? |
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| 14:16.01 | project2501a | Innocentus: come again? |
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| 14:22.08 | acu | I am willing to contribute to hacking space (~30 people), contribute some to food and perhaps accomodation - for a Midwest - Rochester MN Debian Bug Squashing Party - what is the procedure - how would I go about ? |
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| 14:25.48 | dutchfish | acu, http://wiki.debian.org/BSP/2012/02/fr/Paris (there are more) |
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| 14:26.47 | Innocentus | come again? |
| 14:27.14 | Innocentus | I want to find the php extensions folder |
| 14:27.18 | dutchfish | acu, but you could ask Geof Simmons directly |
| 14:27.46 | themill | !wayttd Innocentus |
| 14:27.47 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, Innocentus? |
| 14:28.33 | archo43 | !suckmyd 650 |
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| 14:34.53 | felkor | hello, i'm trying to use ditz with ditz-sync plugin as described in http://ditz.rubyforge.org/PLUGINS.txt . i'm not following the part that says "I recommend making a ../project-bugs/ directory, cloning the repo there as well, and keeping that directory checked out to the 'bugs' branch.". If i try to set the bug directory outside the git repo i get "fatal: ../teste-ditz-bugs/bugs/issue-57...0yal' is outside repository ". could anybody help? |
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| 14:37.40 | felkor | i must be making confusion with the dense english and the sparse git info in that frase and im missing the point of creating a directory outside the git repo. |
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| 14:48.54 | guardian | not so related to debian but maybe some sysadmin here knows: is there a way to have mysql users' password be checked against /etc/shadow? |
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| 15:04.50 | dutchfish | guardian, $conf['authtype'] | see docs |
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| 15:13.00 | spersaud | I want to setup postfix on my box ... I have timewarner cable |
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| 15:14.33 | babilen | spersaud: Ok, please go ahead. |
| 15:14.38 | milligan | hehe :) |
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| 15:14.55 | spersaud | babilen: how rude !! |
| 15:15.07 | babilen | huh? |
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| 15:21.21 | Innocentus | how can I manage the php extensions in debian? |
| 15:23.54 | Innocentus | hello? anyone here? |
| 15:24.17 | themill | !wayttd Innocentus |
| 15:24.18 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, Innocentus? |
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| 15:24.32 | themill | Innocentus: please be specific... "manage the php extensions" is meaningless |
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| 15:24.39 | dutchfish | Innocentus, by /etc/phpN/$SAPI/php.ini where SAPI is one of apache/apache2/cgi/cli |
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| 15:25.23 | guardian | dutchfish: in fact i was more looking for something along http://www.mysqlperformanceblog.com/2011/12/05/announcing-pam-authentication-plugin-for-mysql-early-access-release/ |
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| 15:25.40 | guardian | dutchfish: but it's rather new so i don't know how well it works |
| 15:25.41 | spersaud | how can I find my isp subnet mask and gateway ? |
| 15:25.56 | spersaud | I am configuring my router to always use the same address :) |
| 15:26.36 | dutchfish | guardian, if you want to walk that road, sure http://www.percona.com/docs/wiki/repositories:apt |
| 15:27.00 | dutchfish | guardian, be aware that is not in debian tho |
| 15:28.12 | guardian | when you replied $conf['authtype'] wasn't that for phpmyadmin? |
| 15:28.28 | dutchfish | guardian, nope, mysql auth backend |
| 15:28.36 | guardian | i'm rather a mysql noob, i'm just setting up a shared hosting box for few pals |
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| 15:29.10 | dutchfish | guardian, then use the standard (inside table) way of auth in mysql, most safest. |
| 15:29.37 | guardian | hmm you mean user passwords are stored in mysql instead of /etc/shadow? |
| 15:29.59 | guardian | so that password is same for both (say sftp for example) and mysql? |
| 15:30.06 | guardian | that's what i'm seeking |
| 15:30.11 | dutchfish | guardian, for hosting purposes i like it that way, because i mostly use split setups for mysql on lamp servers, yes. |
| 15:30.29 | dutchfish | guardian, if you later want to migrate to that, it is more easy |
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| 15:30.46 | dutchfish | guardian, think performance wise too |
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| 15:31.05 | spersaud | babilen: how rude !! |
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| 15:31.16 | dutchfish | guardian, on small setups, it is not worth the trouble anyway of exotic auth backends |
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| 15:31.24 | dutchfish | spersaud, cut it! |
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| 15:31.30 | spersaud | mysql hahaha ... why not use postgresql |
| 15:31.47 | babilen | spersaud: Excuse me? Can I help you with anything or are you planning to repeat "babilen: how rude !!" over and over again? (I would advise against that) |
| 15:32.12 | spersaud | babilen: yeah |
| 15:32.50 | guardian | to make things clear in my mind: i need to configure pam so that every time a user logs in, auth is done against mysql users, instead of /etc/shadow? i want those users to access their home through sftp/scp (and maybe later a chroot jail with limited commands) |
| 15:33.18 | guardian | and i want them to have a single password for both scp/sftp (maybe restricted shell) and mysql |
| 15:33.32 | syn4pse | guardian: why not auth against ldap ? |
| 15:33.44 | dutchfish | guardian, use a mysql backend (or postgres) for sftp/ftp. done. |
| 15:33.46 | guardian | and their home comes with a default vhost served as username.mydomain.com |
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| 15:34.17 | guardian | syn4pse: i don't know what it is exactly |
| 15:34.22 | syn4pse | okey |
| 15:34.30 | Jacruth | hello, how to tell if my graphics card is ARB_SYNC enabled? |
| 15:34.33 | syn4pse | guardian, first what services you need for your users? |
| 15:34.47 | syn4pse | it looks like you only want to have wespace for them + shell ( chrooted ) |
| 15:34.53 | dutchfish | guardian, if you have no need to give your users a full shell, tops a jail-rooted one, i suggest not to use /etc/passwd and family nor pam |
| 15:35.10 | syn4pse | yepp was about to say the same ;) |
| 15:35.25 | syn4pse | an ispconfig administrated server would be enough for your needs i guess |
| 15:35.26 | guardian | i just have everything up and running: they can sftp/scp to their home, and home/user/http is the root for http://user.domain.com vhost. they can run php scripts. only db is missing and i was about to use mysql as it's widespread |
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| 15:37.54 | dutchfish | guardian, nothing wrong with using mysql/postgres, but you have to configure right to make it secure | having siad that consider hardening your system | with that setup (db backend) things get more easy. |
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| 15:39.03 | dutchfish | guardian, for max security, consider a separte box ofr your db-backend, preferrable on a backend net |
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| 15:39.13 | dutchfish | sorry for my typos |
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| 15:39.37 | guardian | ok |
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| 15:39.56 | dutchfish | this also makes good sense performance-wise |
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| 15:44.54 | dutchfish | by splitting the core services it is easier to maintain and to migrate when that is needed |
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| 15:45.36 | dutchfish | it all depends on your needs of couse |
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| 15:47.58 | archo43 | i like debian |
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| 15:49.06 | guardian | dutchfish: what made me ask those questions was: i want those users to chose their mysql password without needing me to change the conf :) so if they have restricted shell access, can change their passwd and that passwd works as well for mysql then it's all good! |
| 15:49.28 | guardian | dutchfish: i didn't have any of the details in mind :) |
| 15:49.49 | cola_ftw_ | hello, looking to try debian out for the first time, and this install is on my laptop. I have a decent bit of linux experience, but which debain should i install, small or large install |
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| 15:50.09 | dutchfish | guardian, np. but keep in mind that securing/hardening a shell is a mgnitud emore diffecult then securing a lamp server. |
| 15:50.12 | cola_ftw_ | basically is the small install too small, and have too little basic packages |
| 15:51.03 | guardian | dutchfish: well for a start, it's not LAMP but nginx + php-fpm, not sure whether it makes any difference though. as i said, i'm not a sysadmin just a coder fiddling with a debian box during my spare time to ease life of few pals |
| 15:51.29 | dutchfish | guardian, to put it more simple. I don like to give users shell access on a lamp server nor do i think that it is needed. |
| 15:52.24 | guardian | agreed, maybe i'll give 1 or 2 shell access to those i trust and know what they do |
| 15:52.29 | dutchfish | guardian, or simular linux/web/db/script server setup |
| 15:52.31 | guardian | others will have sftp/scp only |
| 15:52.54 | guardian | because i was warned here against FTP so instead of vsftpd i'll let them upload their website through sftp |
| 15:53.21 | dutchfish | yes, vsftp is one of the less evils |
| 15:54.03 | guardian | out of curiosity, is it possible for a user to change password from a sftp client? (through ssh the user can issue a passwd command if allowed though) |
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| 15:56.05 | dutchfish | guardian, scp/sftp can be configured to block that, yes. But really, consider a db backend instead of the unix/other syncing methods for authentication. |
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| 15:56.30 | guardian | what do i need to install if i want passwords to be stored in mysql instead of /etc/shadow then? |
| 15:56.58 | pflanzer | :-D |
| 15:56.58 | dutchfish | guardian, proftd has a mysql backend, i gues vsftpd has too |
| 15:57.37 | guardian | but that doesn't work for ssh then, if it's only the ftp server authenticating against a mysql db |
| 15:57.40 | dutchfish | guardian, http://www.debiantutorials.com/installing-vsftpd-with-mysql-backend/ |
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| 15:58.09 | dutchfish | guardian, and that is what you prolly do not want either (shell access) |
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| 15:59.26 | dutchfish | guardian, if they can put they files up and can configure there vhost by some sort of panel, what do they need more? |
| 15:59.33 | dutchfish | s/they/there |
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| 16:00.10 | guardian | but if they're not system users, but virtual users in a db, there is a risk user1 messes with user2 files through an uploaded malicious php script? |
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| 16:00.40 | dutchfish | guardian, not if you configure your vhost the right way, but that is up to you. |
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| 16:00.49 | guardian | i may be slow at getting the big picture but i thought that was the benefit of having system users and user groups when doing shared hosting |
| 16:01.02 | dutchfish | contrary |
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| 16:01.46 | dutchfish | to keep things simple in here. If they have shell access, it become shard to get that separation |
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| 16:02.41 | dutchfish | guardian, if you want your users shell access, consider separate virtual machines |
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| 16:03.44 | dutchfish | guardian, i did not say that it can not be done, i just say, it is hard to setup and maintain (security-wise) |
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| 16:04.40 | dutchfish | (when you give users shell access) |
| 16:04.42 | guardian | without speaking of shell access, currently every user has her vhost, served by nginx + php-fpm. and each php script runs as the user's uid and guid. so user1's website is uploaded to /home/user1/http and served by nginx on http://user1.domain.com and the php scripts from there run as user1:user1. i had the impression it was the most secure (same as apache + suexec) |
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| 16:05.20 | dutchfish | yes, as far as php is secure |
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| 16:07.34 | Jayflux | do people usually create a new users upon installing debian for web services |
| 16:07.47 | Jayflux | instead of using root for seting up stuff |
| 16:08.39 | jkyle_ | morning |
| 16:09.34 | guardian | dutchfish: if i use vfspd with mysql backend as in the article you mentioned, who owns the files for real? vsftpd user? |
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| 16:11.47 | dutchfish | guardian, at the dropzone the vsftpd user unless you have jailed it | then your can create a cronjob to check what has been uploaded on place that in the users vhost space with the right permission. Anything that was filtered out goes into a wastebasket dir for later inspection. That is how i do it. |
| 16:11.49 | guardian | ok read through the article, files are owned by vstpd:nogroup so if vsftpd gets compromised, any user can access other user's files |
| 16:11.57 | guardian | that's how i see it |
| 16:12.36 | dutchfish | exactly |
| 16:13.41 | dutchfish | guardian, the dropzone mimics the users vhost space, but it is *not* the same space |
| 16:14.37 | dutchfish | guardian, that way i safe me alot of trouble with unix users, insecurity, and i have a potent filter *before* it gets active. |
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| 16:15.27 | dutchfish | guardian, the cronjob run sat intervals, that can be minutes or quarters of an hour. Whatever you like or want to spent resouces for. |
| 16:15.54 | guardian | when users upload php scripts to their website, which user runs the script? what i like with suexec or php-fpm is that php scripts are run as user's uid and gid instead of the webserver's user |
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| 16:16.05 | guardian | how do you achieve that with that vsftpd+mysql+ virtual users? |
| 16:16.26 | dutchfish | guardian, ehe, the apache/nginx user has *never* write access |
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| 16:16.41 | guardian | because your cron job enforces it right? |
| 16:16.48 | dutchfish | guardian, neither should your script |
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| 16:16.58 | dutchfish | guardian, right |
| 16:17.09 | dutchfish | guardian, after being scrutenized |
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| 16:18.01 | dutchfish | sorry, this is going to much offtopic, if you need more join #d-o. This channel is for debian related questions. |
| 16:18.51 | dutchfish | guardian, but rem, you are in charge of making it safe ;) |
| 16:19.29 | guardian | :) |
| 16:19.34 | guardian | thanks for the help and discussion |
| 16:19.38 | dutchfish | yw |
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| 16:24.34 | jkyle | anyone run across a way to rename interfaces in a netinstall early_command? |
| 16:25.35 | Jrz | ok crap |
| 16:25.47 | Jrz | I skipped the 'setup users' part during th einstallation |
| 16:25.52 | Jrz | how can I login :( |
| 16:26.07 | Jrz | this is so dump |
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| 16:26.19 | jkyle | Jrz: not sure on the default password for root, but you can always boot to single user mode and set it |
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| 16:27.18 | Jrz | thx |
| 16:27.26 | jkyle | Jrz: http://www.debuntu.org/recover-root-password-single-user-mode-and-grub |
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| 16:27.36 | jhutchins_lt | WTH is up with flash on squeeze? |
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| 16:29.14 | nah | got one question- how to increase limit descriptors for postfix? it recently stop to work and in maillog it says that there is too many open files- lmit is set to 60 according to limit descriptors command |
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| 16:31.10 | jkyle | hm, I'm getting a "bad archive mirror" error using the ftp.us.debian.org |
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| 16:32.22 | jhutchins_lt | Anybody else having trouble with flash in squeeze with mdn firefox? |
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| 16:32.44 | nah | in my /etc/security/limits.conf i got @users hard nofile 60 but when i change it to some other walues it doesn't fix anything |
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| 16:34.32 | rymate1234 | hey |
| 16:34.41 | rymate1234 | quick question about debian |
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| 16:35.02 | rymate1234 | I told the installer to install a graphical user environment |
| 16:35.07 | nah | and when i change it to forexample 40 postfix in maillog says it has 60 as limit just like in the begining |
| 16:35.15 | rymate1234 | what environment does it install? |
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| 16:35.58 | jhutchins_lt | chromium: no supported browser found (for importing settings). Hello, ever heard of firefox? I guess calling it iceweasel fooled it. |
| 16:36.13 | threadlock | nah: I'm not sure this is the right way to do it, but squid has its fildescriptors set with the ulimit command in the init script |
| 16:36.21 | rymate1234 | I told the installer to install a graphical user environment |
| 16:36.24 | rymate1234 | what environment does it install? |
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| 16:37.50 | LtL | rypervenche: it doesn't, it's just graphical as opposed to a text prompted install |
| 16:38.22 | nah | threadlock: i havnt got ulimit command, its old serwer- it have about 8 years or so |
| 16:38.55 | LtL | rypervenche: unless you tell the installer otherwise, I believe it will install gnome as the desktop, if you choose to install same, but you have choices. |
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| 16:39.15 | rymate1234 | O-o |
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| 16:42.22 | jhutchins_lt | nah: So what version of debian is it running? Sarge? |
| 16:42.59 | LtL | rymate1234: sorry did you see those answers, sorry rypervenche |
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| 16:43.17 | rymate1234 | LtL: I guessed they were for me :P |
| 16:43.21 | rymate1234 | thanks :D |
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| 16:43.30 | LtL | rymate1234: good, my mistake. |
| 16:43.38 | rymate1234 | also |
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| 16:43.54 | rymate1234 | what version of gnome |
| 16:43.56 | rymate1234 | 2 or 3 |
| 16:44.08 | LtL | rymate1234: 2 |
| 16:44.31 | LtL | rymate1234: 2.30.2 |
| 16:44.38 | rymate1234 | \o/ |
| 16:44.43 | rymate1234 | YAYAYAYAYAY |
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| 16:45.30 | jkyle | if I wish to make my / drive read only, which partitions must be writable? /var and /tmp seem like obvious choices...any others? |
| 16:45.57 | rymate1234 | maybe /home |
| 16:45.58 | LtL | rymate1234: if you don't expect video issues graphical install should be fine, read your screens carefully. |
| 16:46.13 | rymate1234 | Its working fine :) |
| 16:46.19 | rymate1234 | is installing in virtualbox |
| 16:46.24 | jkyle | won't need home for this really |
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| 16:47.58 | nah | threadlock: not sure if it is debian actualy:/ someone asked me for help with it cause guy who installed everything of this is not available at the momment- they have every server on debian so i assume this one too |
| 16:48.00 | hitest | morning all |
| 16:48.01 | jhutchins_lt | jkyle: $home needs to be writable, so /root probably needs to be. |
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| 16:48.55 | jkyle | jhutchins_lt: nah, we'll lock /home |
| 16:49.13 | jhutchins_lt | jkyle: Regular users won't be able to log in. |
| 16:49.32 | nah | threadlock: strange enough it has man pages for ulimit |
| 16:49.40 | jkyle | regular users won't be on the system, but I suppose there are the initial tty files if you want to log in at all. hm |
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| 16:50.42 | xSmurf | in OSX I can click an item that is not frontmost with modifier-click, is there something similar in X/GDM? |
| 16:50.58 | jkyle | no, don't think that's right. I think home can be read only and users still log in |
| 16:51.21 | rymate1234 | hmm |
| 16:51.26 | rymate1234 | what is iceweasel? |
| 16:51.57 | jkyle | rymate1234: firefox |
| 16:52.01 | jhutchins_lt | !tell rymate1234 about why iceweasel |
| 16:52.22 | Moebius | !tell about why iceweasel |
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| 16:52.32 | rymate1234 | O_o |
| 16:52.37 | Moebius | hm |
| 16:52.45 | Moebius | !tell Moebius about why iceweasel |
| 16:53.13 | jkyle | rymate1234: firefox is trademarked, thus not free and thus not used in debian |
| 16:53.29 | jkyle | so they rename it |
| 16:53.43 | abrotman | !tell Moebius about selftell |
| 16:53.45 | jkyle | the art is protected too, I don't run gui linux but I'm sure they strip that as well |
| 16:54.00 | jhutchins_lt | Moebius: You can also /msg dpkg |
| 16:54.05 | Moebius | ok, got it |
| 16:54.06 | Moebius | thanks |
| 16:54.07 | engla | jkyle: its icon is a blue globe and a large white iceweasel yeah |
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| 16:54.19 | Moebius | i like iceweasel logo and name though |
| 16:54.23 | rymate1234 | I thought firefox was open source |
| 16:54.24 | Moebius | makes me feel unique |
| 16:54.37 | Moebius | i don't want them to change it back to firefox |
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| 16:54.52 | engla | rymate1234: mozilla doesn't allow using their trademark name if you modify firefox. even for debian security updates |
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| 16:55.01 | rymate1234 | olol |
| 16:55.08 | jkyle | rymate1234: it is, that's why iceweasel _is_ firefox in every way but the art and the name |
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| 16:55.59 | jkyle | engla: was it pressure from mozilla or choice by debian? could totally see the debian core choosing to do so on their own |
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| 16:56.50 | ksuhku | actull |
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| 16:57.19 | ksuhku | actually mozilla does allow changes but wants to check them out it advance and ok them which takes too much time |
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| 16:57.42 | engla | jkyle: apparently mozilla started the process by notifying debian that they didn't obey their rules |
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| 16:58.12 | ksuhku | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Corporation_software_rebranded_by_the_Debian_project |
| 16:58.33 | jkyle | wonders aloud how large /tmp should be |
| 16:59.15 | threadlock | nah: ulimit is a shell builtin |
| 16:59.19 | jkyle | a gig seems like enough |
| 16:59.34 | threadlock | nah: but is the server running an eight year old version of debian? |
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| 17:02.06 | Younos | i've never seen the use of the whole iceweasel rebranding stuff |
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| 17:02.29 | Younos | seemed like a waste of time |
| 17:02.34 | somiaj | Younos: It is because of the DSFG |
| 17:02.51 | somiaj | well DFSG |
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| 17:04.16 | Younos | DFSG? |
| 17:04.21 | Younos | D=Debian |
| 17:04.29 | somiaj | Debian free software guidelines |
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| 17:04.58 | somiaj | Younos: http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines |
| 17:05.00 | abrotman | !tell Younos about dfsg |
| 17:05.18 | Younos | !tell abrotman about humans |
| 17:05.41 | spal | !tell me about humans |
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| 17:06.06 | engla | ironic if dpkg would tell us about humans |
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| 17:06.37 | abrotman | Younos: not amused |
| 17:07.30 | Younos | :) |
| 17:07.41 | Younos | ty somiaj |
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| 17:09.35 | nah | threadlock: yeah, this linux(should be debian i guess myself) is 8 years old not just hardware- its even older, anyway from what i found ulimit is buildin into bash and i got only sh, will haveto restart this and see if this helped for limits.conf changing |
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| 17:14.41 | threadlock | nah: does it have a /etc/debian_version ? |
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| 17:14.56 | archo43 | i like debian |
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| 17:16.02 | archo43 | can i use debian to do hacking? |
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| 17:16.29 | jelly-home | archo43: try an axe instead |
| 17:16.47 | archo43 | axe...? |
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| 17:18.30 | archo43 | whats that? |
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| 17:19.20 | jelly-home | archo43: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/hacking |
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| 17:20.19 | epsas | 0/win 10 |
| 17:20.36 | archo43 | yeh i want to do hacking |
| 17:20.54 | threadlock | go ahead |
| 17:21.08 | archo43 | i like to hack computes |
| 17:21.10 | archo43 | computers |
| 17:21.26 | threadlock | what are you waiting for? |
| 17:21.40 | engla | if all you have is an axe, everything is hackable |
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| 17:21.54 | archo43 | not that kinda hacking |
| 17:22.01 | threadlock | likes hacked spinach |
| 17:22.03 | archo43 | i mean hacking computer systems |
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| 17:22.50 | threadlock | so you used your best web search skills and ended up here? |
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| 17:24.00 | threadlock | frequent visitor or why should he/she know better? |
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| 17:24.33 | delvalle26 | Is there a way to take advantage of the "debian menu" from cli? |
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| 17:24.40 | delvalle26 | as in navigate it, search it, etc. |
| 17:24.54 | somiaj | delvalle26: what would the point, you won't be able to launch most the applications in it? |
| 17:25.00 | themill | threadlock: several of us have had discussions with archo43 about being more signal and less noise; also, that's just the default /kick message (because generally the user *should* know better) |
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| 17:25.03 | rymate_1234 | hai |
| 17:25.07 | somiaj | delvalle26: I'm sure you could write a wrapper that would output the menu in some simple text format |
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| 17:25.09 | rymate_1234 | currently in debian |
| 17:25.14 | rymate_1234 | this |
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| 17:25.16 | rymate_1234 | ]is |
| 17:25.22 | rymate_1234 | epic |
| 17:25.26 | engla | menu is becoming obsolete |
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| 17:25.41 | delvalle26 | engla: can you tell me more about that? |
| 17:26.03 | somiaj | delvalle26: well what is it you are wanting to do? What are you trying to achive by looking though the menu on the cli? |
| 17:26.04 | delvalle26 | the point being I'm using dmenu to launch most anything, which is great when I know the app's name |
| 17:26.22 | delvalle26 | but what if I want to browse quickly what it is installed by category |
| 17:26.29 | delvalle26 | and see the proper binary name as well |
| 17:26.36 | delvalle26 | i.e. Gnome Solitare is "sol" |
| 17:26.40 | engla | delvalle26: big desktop environments are using .desktop files only |
| 17:26.48 | delvalle26 | maybe I'd be better off using grep with dpkg? |
| 17:27.11 | somiaj | delvalle26: you can use dpkg -L <pkg name> to list all the contents of a package name to look for binary names |
| 17:27.26 | themill | ,i pdmenu |
| 17:27.27 | judd | Package pdmenu (shells, optional) in squeeze/i386: simple console menu program. Version: 1.2.98; Size: 55.6k; Installed: 284k; Homepage: http://kitenet.net/~joey/code/pdmenu/ |
| 17:27.32 | themill | delvalle26: ^^ like that? |
| 17:27.44 | somiaj | yea was going to say I just found pdmenu, but I don't know how well it lists the details of the menu items. |
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| 17:28.09 | delvalle26 | themill and somiaj: Thanks, I'll take a look at it, if not I'll make a nice alias for dpkg -L and grep |
| 17:28.30 | engla | which programs do you need a list of? GLib has an API to /usr/share/applications/ |
| 17:28.31 | somiaj | delvalle26: though hopefully debian doens't get rid of the menu as us non DE users stll like it. (: |
| 17:29.05 | somiaj | engla: ^^ |
| 17:29.17 | engla | similey or arrow? |
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| 17:30.06 | delvalle26 | k glad to see what the options are, I'm a former big DE user |
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| 17:30.16 | delvalle26 | so still learning different ways to work with my system ;) |
| 17:30.18 | pippi | !list |
| 17:30.19 | dpkg | pippi: È possibile di scaricare un sacco di software libero puntando il tuo browser a http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-6.0.4-amd64-i386-netinst.iso ! |
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| 17:32.59 | delvalle26 | Hmm pdmenu is a gem! I really like it! |
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| 17:33.23 | engla | somiaj: was that ^^ thing an arrow or a happy face? menu doesn't have sensible localization.. so I prefer the modern solution. |
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| 17:35.01 | somiaj | engla: I don't mind a better localization, but I'd prefer to not have to support .desktop files. Though in the end I build most my menus by hand. |
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| 17:37.49 | ParkerR | Ummm |
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| 17:37.49 | somiaj | sKeiths: ther eare some 32bit libs prepackaged, but if the 32big lib you need isn't in those you may have to manually get it. But check that first |
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| 17:37.51 | engla | sKeiths: it's in ia32-libs |
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| 17:37.56 | engla | I think |
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| 17:38.08 | somiaj | sKeiths: check ia32-libs (you can search fro thigs like ia32-libs and lib32) |
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| 17:38.39 | somiaj | yea ia32-libs contains libSDL-1.2.so.0 (on sid) |
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| 17:38.45 | engla | somiaj: support .desktop files where? as a debian contributor? |
| 17:38.45 | no_gravity | Hello! When I start my machine, I get asked to unlock "the Keyring" so my machine can access my wpa router. ok. Then when I start a root-terminal, I get asked to unlock "the keyring 'default'". What is the difference between theses keyrings? Can I make it so I only get asked once? |
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| 17:38.52 | sKeiths | thanks engla i try that now. |
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| 17:39.46 | sKeiths | :( ia32-libs is already the newest version. |
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| 17:43.31 | haole | where can i find information about how to make a package that will add a user group in the installation and possibly remove this group on uninstall? |
| 17:44.15 | Younos | no_gravity: the difference is that each user has their own keyring, and root so does the root. how to fix it i would not know (i dont use X) but i imagine you could look in your root .bashrc and .login files to see if maybe there a keyring program is started |
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| 17:45.29 | Bert_2 | Hi, is there a way to check the progress of an ongoing fsck.ext3 ? |
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| 17:46.40 | themill | haole: generally, removing the user on uninstall is a bad plan as you can leave unowned files dotted around the filesystem. Look at any package that depends on "adduser" and see how they do it in the postinst. |
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| 17:47.42 | no_gravity | Younos: hmm.. im not sure it should be a .bashrc thing. i think its rather some gnome thing. |
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| 17:48.20 | haole | themill, not the user, the group |
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| 17:48.35 | Younos | you're starting a root terminal in your normal session, right? but you could be right that its some gnome thing |
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| 17:49.35 | no_gravity | Younos: im starting it from the gnome main menu. i put this entry there: "gksu /usr/bin/x-terminal-emulator" |
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| 17:50.02 | jkyle | is it possible to generate a preseed partman expert recipe from an existing partition table? |
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| 17:50.49 | jelly-home | no_gravity: what happens if you open a user terminal and run a root shell in it, instead? |
| 17:51.08 | themill | haole: similar story; the adduser package provides an "addgroup" command that is convenient for this. |
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| 17:51.23 | Toothpick | hi, I'm trying to install packages from an offline machine. is there such a way for me to ask for a website for a package name and I get all its dependencies? |
| 17:51.56 | no_gravity | jelly-home: with "sudo su" or how? |
| 17:52.02 | jkyle | Toothpick: look into apt-cacher-ng |
| 17:52.19 | Younos | no_gravity: hmm gksu x-terminal-emulator sounds straightforward enough, its all very gnom-y |
| 17:52.48 | jelly-home | no_gravity: well, if you have sudo permissions, you could use "sudo -i" or "sudo -l" I guess. "sudo su" sunds silly |
| 17:52.55 | Younos | i would prolly type: sudo xterm |
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| 17:53.50 | jkyle | Toothpick: ah, you mean manually download. . . still if you need packages on a machien without wan access, an apt proxy is the best way |
| 17:53.57 | jelly-home | Younos: there is absolutely no reason to run the whole xterm as root |
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| 17:54.08 | no_gravity | jelly-home: "sudo -i" asks me for a password and then tells me im not in the sudoers list and it will report this incident to god or something. |
| 17:54.19 | Toothpick | jkyle: what is apt proxy? |
| 17:54.19 | Younos | yes i just got the report |
| 17:54.29 | Younos | dont do it again *points finger* ^.^ |
| 17:54.35 | jelly-home | no_gravity: so you have not configured sudo to allow you that. |
| 17:55.08 | no_gravity | jelly-home: obviously not. i start the root terminal via the main menu as i described. |
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| 17:56.27 | jelly-home | I am not surprised that Gnome facilitates needlessly running processes as root |
| 17:57.03 | no_gravity | jelly-home: what? |
| 17:57.24 | jelly-home | no_gravity: sorry, I don't have enough experience with Gnome to suggest a better approach that would work without additional configuration |
| 17:57.26 | Younos | no_gravity: nevertheless, you do get the terminal apart from the keyring stuff |
| 17:58.10 | jelly-home | no_gravity: it's apparently easier to run the whole xterm as root than to just run a shell as root. |
| 17:58.14 | no_gravity | Younos: yes, i get the terminal. but i would prefer if the password is stored in the same ring as the network login. so i dont have to enter the password twice after i boot my machine. |
| 17:58.26 | Toothpick | jkyle: what does apt-cacher-ng do ? |
| 17:58.59 | no_gravity | jelly-home: yes, i have some machines where gnome runs as root. but i would prefer to just combine the passwords on this machine. |
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| 17:59.30 | Younos | no_gravity: ohh i see, so the keyring it asks for is for the password of root that is in that 'default' keyring?? |
| 17:59.56 | no_gravity | Younos: yes, when i start the root terminal, it asks for that. |
| 18:00.10 | no_gravity | Younos: and when i connect to my wlan it asks for the other. |
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| 18:00.40 | Younos | no_gravity: everything more complicated than twm confuses the heck out of me ^.^ but i think i've had the same issue yes |
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| 18:01.01 | Younos | oh |
| 18:01.04 | Younos | sorry RL |
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| 18:01.07 | no_gravity | Younos: twm is a window manager? |
| 18:01.14 | no_gravity | "RL"? |
| 18:01.22 | Younos | ltrs good luck no_gravity :) |
| 18:01.26 | Younos | RL=Real Life |
| 18:01.38 | Younos | ie. non-computer things, ie. girlfriends |
| 18:01.40 | Younos | ^.^ |
| 18:01.44 | Younos | ltrs |
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| 18:34.08 | Peaker_ | anyone got a recommendation for a wifi usb dongle? I have a Tenda, an IO Crest, and an Edimax, and they're all extremely flaky in Linux :-( (kernel modules: zd1211rw, rt5370sta, rt2870sta) |
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| 18:34.38 | Peaker_ | It's pretty amazing how badly wifi/usb is, compared with builtin wifi of laptops which works well |
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| 18:41.31 | factor | Does debian have a program to setup USB pc to pc like a 2 sided mass storage device. |
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| 18:44.47 | epsas | factor - i think you can do that using usb gadget : http://www.kernel.org/doc/htmldocs/gadget.html |
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| 18:46.14 | epsas | factor - this is interesting http://wiki.maemo.org/USB_networking |
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| 18:47.27 | Iridos | maemo has lots of proprietary stuff |
| 18:47.38 | factor | epsas, thanks looking |
| 18:48.16 | epsas | Iridos - this layer should be free though |
| 18:48.33 | Iridos | it's also usb networking, not mass storage :) |
| 18:48.54 | Iridos | but the N900 also provides its drives as a usb disk when connected with a computer |
| 18:49.12 | factor | yes I am linking the USB cable together to still have pc 2 pc connection while testing bringing down netowrk conntions |
| 18:49.17 | Iridos | perhaps I can figure out on the device what program/kernel module does it |
| 18:49.22 | factor | so i dont want a eth0 look like |
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| 18:50.07 | cali | hello |
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| 18:50.32 | cali | I broke apt-get 'apt-get: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libstdc++.so.6: undefined symbol: _ZNSt8messagesIcE2idE, version GLIBCXX_3.4' |
| 18:50.52 | cali | anybody knows how to restore apt-get? |
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| 18:51.11 | nsadmin | what did you do to make it do that? |
| 18:51.30 | Iridos | factor, one thing I _can_ say... if something on the N900 uses that disk, you can't mount it on the computer via usb and vice-versa. When stuff is mounted on another pc via usb, the disk was first unmounted |
| 18:51.49 | cali | nsadmin, I added repository and tried to update fluxbox. |
| 18:52.39 | nsadmin | put /etc/apt/sources.list on a pastebin |
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| 18:53.14 | cali | nsadmin, it has testing and lenny stable. |
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| 18:53.57 | Iridos | /o\ offering a goat at this juncture might help... better yet a whole cow |
| 18:54.15 | cali | nsadmin, I fixed it, thanks. |
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| 18:54.47 | erpo | Iridos: :D |
| 18:55.00 | Iridos | cali, stop using that horrible mix in sources.list |
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| 18:55.27 | Iridos | if you can reinstall, that might be the cleanest and maybe also simplest, depending on how big the mess is |
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| 18:55.41 | Iridos | dpkg, tell erpo about lenny->squeeze |
| 18:55.48 | jkyle | I need to compile the ixgbe driver. it's included in the default kernel build, but I can't find the source package when searching debians package repos. |
| 18:56.26 | jkyle | I find that surprising, might it be under another name? otherwise I'm looking for docs on how to build a module "the debian way" |
| 18:56.29 | erpo | Iridos: I just liked your comment. I'm not having lenny->squeeze problems. |
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| 18:57.00 | factor | Guess I will have to use usbnet |
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| 18:57.32 | Iridos | erpo, if you still have lenny in your sources.list, you have |
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| 19:00.48 | jkyle | Toothpick: it caches upstream packages, so you can expose one machine which will pull packages down and serve them to your intranet |
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| 19:01.19 | Toothpick | jkyle: i thought its done automatically in /var/cache/apt |
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| 19:01.31 | Iridos | oop, erpo ENICK :( |
| 19:01.32 | Iridos | again! |
| 19:01.43 | Iridos | dpkg, tell cali about lenny->squeeze |
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| 19:02.40 | sdvoodoo | Hi guys, trying to build wine 1.2.3 on 6.04, but I run into this error "configure: error: no suitable flex found. Please install the 'flex' package. ". Flex *IS* installed, and I cannot find anything helpful on google. (I do not want the wine package in repos) |
| 19:02.41 | OlaHughson | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/14556313/Applebloom.Derpian.png ;] |
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| 19:02.50 | Delf | after using mount --bind /source /target |
| 19:02.55 | Delf | how do I unbind? |
| 19:03.09 | somiaj | sdvoodoo: check the configure log it will give you more details on the error |
| 19:03.18 | jkyle | Toothpick: this would provide a proxy cache |
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| 19:03.44 | somiaj | Delf: just umount /target |
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| 19:04.15 | Toothpick | jkyle: I thought its done automatically in /var/cache/apt |
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| 19:04.59 | Delf | somiaj: thank you very much! |
| 19:05.01 | somiaj | Toothpick: that is only a local cache of packages downloaded on that machine. |
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| 19:05.26 | sdvoodoo | somiaj: I had a look at config.log, and all I could get out of it was "Checking for flex. Result no." |
| 19:05.37 | somiaj | sdvoodoo: does it tell you the command it ran? |
| 19:06.07 | somiaj | sdvoodoo: apt-cache policy flex -- that may give you info. If it is installed it could be a version mismatch, but it could also just be something else like a bad $PATH |
| 19:06.12 | Toothpick | somiaj: but i can move them then to the offline machine |
| 19:06.37 | adrian15 | Hi. I am interested in running a command when someone inserts the cdrom drive (no need to have a cdrom in the cdrom drive). I have checked dbus, acpid and hal but I'm quite not sure what's the right setup or if it's even feasible. Any clue ? Thank you. |
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| 19:07.01 | sdvoodoo | somiaj: I don't believe it! It just fixed itself. I didn't do anything at all! Thanks anyway. |
| 19:07.30 | somiaj | Toothpick: sure that works, though one issue is if the machine isn't online it won't be able to generate a sources cache, so the idea is let another machine proxy as the place to grab your sources. |
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| 19:07.53 | somiaj | adrian15: what kind of command? |
| 19:08.03 | adrian15 | somiaj: Just a wget :). |
| 19:08.19 | somiaj | adrian15: I'd look into udev. |
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| 19:08.48 | adrian15 | somiaj: Ok. I have just found: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/5112298/detecting-cdrom-media-removal-insertion-in-linux . When I thought there was nothing about. I'll look into it right now. |
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| 19:09.25 | bart2009 | !list |
| 19:09.25 | dpkg | VATTENE VIA! |
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| 19:10.12 | somiaj | adrian15: that link is down. Anyways, there are various ways, but usually udev detects when things are changed. Though you could look into the automounter if you are using gnome or some other automounting tools |
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| 19:12.49 | Delf | how do I know what to type in fstab to mount additional hdds? |
| 19:12.57 | fasta | Can someone explain why I can't have multiple versions of the same library installed? |
| 19:13.09 | somiaj | man 5 fstab |
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| 19:13.22 | ksuhku | what's that !list thing, seems funny? |
| 19:13.30 | fasta | Some packages require version X and other packages require version Y. |
| 19:13.46 | fasta | But I don't see any reason for the machine to tell me 'cannot do that'. |
| 19:13.50 | somiaj | ksuhku: ! tells the bot to do tihngs, if you want you can /msg dpkg <factoid> and get the same responses |
| 19:14.08 | fasta | Other than programmer incompetence, of course. |
| 19:14.34 | somiaj | fasta: are you mixing versions of debian, you shouldn't have two different packages wanting two different versions of the same lib |
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| 19:15.07 | somiaj | fasta: as for why, it depends, for some version changes you don't want to, but for major version changes it is possible (i.e. you could have gtk2 and gtk3 on the same system) but gtk2.2.1 and gtk2.2.2 problaly not. |
| 19:15.09 | ksuhku | somiaj, yeah I get that bit but is that !list something especially italians do for some reason? |
| 19:15.25 | fasta | somiaj: I have the mozilla iceweasel repository. |
| 19:15.29 | zykotick9 | ksuhku: people looking for warez |
| 19:15.32 | fasta | somiaj: but that's it. |
| 19:15.56 | ksuhku | somiaj, zykotick9 thanks for the info |
| 19:16.03 | adrian15 | somiaj: udev-monitor is only working if I put an actual cdrom in the cdrom drive. With no cdrom no messages at all. :( |
| 19:16.06 | somiaj | fasta: what sort of problems are you having? I only tried the mozilla iceweasel repo once and I didn't like how it wanted to upgrade packages. |
| 19:16.11 | fasta | somiaj: I don't really see why I would not be able to have gtk2.2.1 and gtk2.2.2 not running at the same time. |
| 19:16.22 | fasta | somiaj: other systems can manage such dependencies just fine. |
| 19:16.41 | somiaj | fasta: I still think you have some other issue going on |
| 19:17.02 | somiaj | in debian stable you should not need two different versions of the same libary, that is not how stable works. |
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| 19:17.25 | fasta | somiaj: Picking 'kdenetwork' as source package instead of 'kopete' |
| 19:17.25 | fasta | E: Build-Depends dependency for kdenetwork cannot be satisfied because no available versions of package kde-sc-dev-latest can satisfy version requirements |
| 19:17.27 | Delf | this is suicide |
| 19:17.38 | Delf | am I allowed to ask about vsftpd here? |
| 19:17.38 | fasta | somiaj: for example that when I do apt-get build-dep kopete. |
| 19:17.53 | somiaj | fasta: is this from a sid deb-src? |
| 19:17.58 | fasta | somiaj: I expect that I can run apt-get build-dep for all packages for which apt-get install succeeds. |
| 19:18.01 | fasta | somiaj: no, stable. |
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| 19:18.14 | fasta | somiaj: stable is listed as the highest priority repo. |
| 19:18.26 | fasta | somiaj: I think I only have one package pinned. |
| 19:18.34 | somiaj | fasta: care to share your sources.list |
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| 19:21.18 | somiaj | what I thought you are mixing stable and sid, bad bad juju |
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| 19:22.24 | fasta | somiaj: it is one package... |
| 19:22.44 | somiaj | also no need to msg me, keep the converastion in #deban, there are more knowledgeable people that may help, but in your case your problem is mixing sid and stable sources |
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| 19:23.10 | fasta | somiaj: adding an sid source should _not_ result in a problem. |
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| 19:23.16 | fasta | somiaj: only when you pin things as such. |
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| 19:23.38 | somiaj | adding a sid source will cause a proble, adding a deb-src for sid won't |
| 19:23.54 | somiaj | but you have a deb line that includes sid, now you have two vasly different debian repos apt has to figure out with |
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| 19:24.15 | fasta | somiaj: I have everything in squeeze pinned higher than sid. |
| 19:24.17 | somiaj | now if you have actually installed anything from that sid repo you could have even more problems. |
| 19:24.19 | fasta | somiaj: so, NO. |
| 19:24.22 | somiaj | that doesn't matter |
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| 19:24.35 | fasta | somiaj: because? |
| 19:25.12 | fasta | somiaj: so, do I need to run all unstable applications in a virtual machine? |
| 19:25.28 | fasta | somiaj: this seems such a completely broken model. |
| 19:25.46 | fasta | somiaj: no applications require a specific kernel or something similarly important. |
| 19:25.52 | somiaj | what? you do not want to install binary packages compiled for a sid system on a squeeze system. |
| 19:26.05 | somiaj | most binaries rely on the core (libc6 and other packages) |
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| 19:26.29 | somiaj | in order to install a sid binary you may have to install core sid deps, now things are mixed and the bugs will appear |
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| 19:26.44 | somiaj | it is not supported to mix debian distributions (you can if you want but it is not supported). It is also strong discouraged |
| 19:26.46 | fasta | somiaj: I don't see why I cannot have different libc versions running at the same time. |
| 19:26.48 | somiaj | your problems are appearing because of mixing. |
| 19:27.03 | fasta | somiaj: I would say they are appearing, because the system is rotten at the core. |
| 19:27.13 | somiaj | you can build a sid chroot inside a squeeze system, and then run things from inside the chroot if you want |
| 19:27.27 | fasta | somiaj: ok, how exactly does that work? |
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| 19:27.41 | fasta | somiaj: and why doesn't it do that by default when I do apt-get install -t sid foo? |
| 19:28.02 | fasta | somiaj: I don't give one cent about 'how' the computer does something. |
| 19:28.11 | fasta | somiaj: that's the whole reason we have computers. |
| 19:28.13 | somiaj | fasta: you broke your system, revert that install back to before you started installing sid packages if you want a stable system that works |
| 19:28.24 | somiaj | look into debootstrap and chroot to install a sid system as a chroot |
| 19:28.45 | somiaj | or just make a sid virtual machine. Either way do not mix debian versions, bugs will emerge |
| 19:28.56 | fasta | somiaj: but often don't certain applications require a specific X version running too? |
| 19:29.10 | fasta | somiaj: so I still cannot mix applications from sid and squeeze. |
| 19:29.16 | somiaj | of course, you have to have abi/api comabilitiles |
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| 19:29.35 | somiaj | and the x in sid rencetally went a major upgrade depricating older abi compabilties |
| 19:29.43 | somiaj | fasta: build backports |
| 19:29.50 | fasta | somiaj: backports never work. |
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| 19:30.01 | fasta | somiaj: by never I mean in more than 60% of the cases. |
| 19:30.12 | fasta | Also, not everything is backported. |
| 19:31.14 | fasta | somiaj: if I run it in a VM I don't have graphics accelleration. |
| 19:31.36 | fasta | somiaj: it seems that in all possible configurations this system is not really flexible. |
| 19:32.05 | fasta | somiaj: the best thing I can do is run 2 X servers. |
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| 19:32.23 | fasta | somiaj: one from sid and one from squeeze. |
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| 19:32.28 | skypce | hello |
| 19:32.37 | skypce | can you helpme with a postinst script*? |
| 19:32.42 | skypce | please |
| 19:32.45 | fasta | somiaj: isn't there some way to forward an xsession from one into another? |
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| 19:33.04 | fasta | somiaj: then it would be possible to make it work, but really all of these things should be part of an OS. |
| 19:33.29 | somiaj | fasta: I think you are trying to find a complicated, convoluted solution. But this is not supported in debian. I'm not going to help you set up a system. Do what you want with your machine, but you are own your own for figuring it out. |
| 19:34.00 | somiaj | I cannot think of any reason why one should need to run two xservers, one from squeeze and one from sid. But if you have special needs go build your own linux distro to satisfy them |
| 19:34.17 | fasta | somiaj: again, because I needed a chroot for certain applications... |
| 19:34.23 | fasta | somiaj: you just said yourself. |
| 19:34.38 | fasta | somiaj: so, first you suggest a solution and then say it is convoluted? |
| 19:34.51 | fasta | somiaj: ok, so suggest one that isn't convoluted then. |
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| 19:35.13 | somiaj | fasta: if debian stable dose not have the applications you need, and you dont want to make backports. You may find another linux distro more fitting to your needs. |
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| 19:35.38 | fasta | somiaj: AFAIK, all Linux distros have these problems. |
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| 19:35.51 | somiaj | fasta: I personally just run sid on my desktop and laptop, but don't suggest that to people who do not understand how debian works. I sometimes spend a day or so fixing all the bugs from a upgrade. |
| 19:36.12 | fasta | somiaj: why can't the developers just make sure it works? |
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| 19:36.15 | somiaj | fasta: that is the nature of binary packages, you have to be very careful about the libs they depend on. |
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| 19:37.03 | fasta | somiaj: if I was manager of Debian and Debian was a corporation, I would now figure out how to solve these issues once and for all. |
| 19:37.11 | somiaj | fasta: make sure what works? being able to just install any random binary you want from the internet and it run wihtout a bug? You are asking for the impossible. |
| 19:37.27 | fasta | somiaj: I take source too. |
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| 19:37.53 | fasta | somiaj: I expect to be able to run every piece of source code which was designed to run on _some_ version of Debian to run on any Debian system. |
| 19:38.06 | fasta | There is no reason as to why that cannot be done. |
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| 19:38.34 | somiaj | you don't run soruce code |
| 19:38.57 | fasta | somiaj: that depends. |
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| 19:39.06 | fasta | somiaj: I have written compilers and interpreters. |
| 19:39.18 | fasta | somiaj: I don't think you want to argue with me on this. |
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| 19:39.54 | Coweatar | this isn't the place to argue about whatever you're talking about, debian isn't a corporation, if you want it to change put your code where your mouth is and submit patches |
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| 19:47.37 | langkid1 | http://xkcd.com/424/ lol see the one for ubuntu |
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| 19:51.41 | SupYoshi | Hi im looking on how to setup a ramdisk, for use of a minecraft server |
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| 19:52.02 | SupYoshi | does anyone have experience in doing so here, / a tutorial to create a permament Ramdisk? |
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| 19:54.20 | langkid1 | http://lmgtfy.com/?q=how+to+setup+a+permanent+ramdisk+in+debian |
| 19:54.42 | SupYoshi | ikr, im searching that, but im kinda new to this ramdisk thing |
| 19:54.54 | SupYoshi | if i setup a ramdisk will it always work that way?? |
| 19:55.04 | langkid1 | idk |
| 19:55.07 | SupYoshi | hehe ok |
| 19:55.08 | langkid1 | doesn't even know what a ramdisk is |
| 19:55.15 | langkid1 | wait for someone else to talk I guess |
| 19:55.32 | langkid1 | SupYoshi, maybe use a @reboot for cron? |
| 19:55.44 | e-anima | question. does an update from lenny->squeeeze kill my config files like apache/php and so on? |
| 19:55.46 | SupYoshi | perhaps... |
| 19:55.51 | SupYoshi | but nah im gonna google, : |
| 19:55.53 | haole | hello there... i'm building a binary package using this guide: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/html_single/Debian-Binary-Package-Building-HOWTO/ everything worked fine, except that now i want to create a mini-repo for my package and i think that i will need a .changes file, but i don't know how to generate one for a binary package... can anyone point me in the right direction? |
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| 20:08.14 | Iridos | haole, "changes"? |
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| 20:09.38 | Iridos | there's a changelog in the debian directory of a source package... and in the install it ends up in /usr/share/doc/<packagename> |
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| 20:10.11 | haole | Iridos, that's what some guides about creating packages told me... that you upload a .changes file and not a .deb file |
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| 20:13.58 | Iridos | oh, that |
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| 20:15.39 | Iridos | haole, the format is described here http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-controlfields.html I never made my own repo... you could try asking #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net |
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| 20:32.31 | bantamug | just installed Squeeze, free is reporting 2554640 total memory when I've got 4GB - any ideas what's going on? |
| 20:32.57 | lstarnes | bantamug: 32-bit or 64-bit? |
| 20:33.38 | bantamug | lstarnes: 32-bit |
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| 20:34.13 | bantamug | lstarnes: meminfo does the same. |
| 20:34.22 | lstarnes | I might be wrong about this since I haven't used i386 in a while, but you probably need to switch to amd64 or use a pae-enabled kernel |
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| 20:38.29 | bantamug | lstarnes: ah. I thought I'd be fine up to 4Gb with a 32-bit install. so you'd recomment switching to amd64 if i'm running a core2duo machine with 4gb ram? |
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| 20:40.56 | lstarnes | bantamug: personally, I'd recommend it even with 2 GB of RAM |
| 20:42.02 | lstarnes | bantamug: the 4 GB memory addressing limit of 32-bit systems includes memory mapped I/O in addition to RAM, which is why the actual amount of RAM you can use is less than 4 GB |
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| 20:44.10 | bantamug | lstarnes: right. thanks. grabbing the amd64 netinstall now... |
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| 20:46.45 | diverdude | Hello. If i were to make a deb-package of the webserver nginx compiled with a special module, would it be a big job to do? I want to do it so that i can always easily install it as well as remove it. |
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| 20:48.34 | ikus060 | Hi all, I'M using debian Testing. I've try to repport bug using 'reportbug' bug it crash with segfault. I find it very ironic. Does any one experience the same segfault ? |
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| 20:49.44 | fasta | ikus060: not sure whether it is the same, but yes. |
| 20:49.55 | fasta | ikus060: in short, I also find it both ironic and moronic. |
| 20:50.08 | fasta | ikus060: you can report a bug via e-mail too. |
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| 20:51.01 | ikus060 | fasta ... I've search the bug tracking system and the bug I've been repported several time since 29 June 2011. Weird that nobody fix it. |
| 20:51.24 | diverdude | any1? |
| 20:51.54 | fasta | ikus060: it's not really weird; nobody pays for it. |
| 20:52.32 | fasta | ikus060: the age old argument of 'enthusiasts develop it, so it is better' is just a really weak argument. |
| 20:52.35 | ikus060 | fasta: Sure bug since the tool is suggest to repport bug on the debian web site .. I would have pay some more attention... |
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| 20:53.12 | fasta | Linux has a good kernel, but the applications seem to be developed by a lesser kind of developer. |
| 20:53.22 | ikus060 | fasta: I will then report my bug by email. Thanks ! |
| 20:53.36 | fasta | (the design of the Linux kernel itself is itself also not that great) |
| 20:53.41 | ikus060 | fasta: It really depend of the application, many are good. |
| 20:54.20 | fasta | ikus060: I cannot think of one GUI application which has no brain dead issues or for which no commercial application does it much better. |
| 20:54.22 | ikus060 | I'm not on this channel to blast gnu/linux, sorry |
| 20:55.10 | fasta | Pretty much all the major default applications have known segfaults. |
| 20:55.40 | fasta | Even the server software has a long history of being insecure. |
| 20:56.41 | fasta | The Linux kernel generally works, because it powers data centers, but for the rest of the applications, there are just consumers, and as a result it stinks. |
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| 21:00.02 | petemc | off to troll elsewhere |
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| 21:03.16 | jb-4711 | hi |
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| 21:03.48 | jb-4711 | how do I change the console language of a freshly installed debian 6.0? |
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| 21:04.48 | TechDesk | loadkeys |
| 21:04.51 | nkuttler | jb-4711: what do you mean exactly? |
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| 21:05.53 | jb-4711 | nkuttler: when I log into my debian with ssh, the language is German. I want to change it to English. |
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| 21:06.35 | paranoidphreak | hi everybody, is there a good torrent program that has a built-in search features that can search multiple torrent sites for the files? i had tried fatrat but recently, the search feature stopped working |
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| 21:07.21 | jb-4711 | nkuttler: dpkg-reconfigure locales ? |
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| 21:11.21 | langkid1 | how do I change the timezone to central? |
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| 21:14.26 | somiaj | dpkg-reconfigure tzdata |
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| 21:15.46 | engla | jb-4711: yes, doesn't that work? |
| 21:16.09 | engla | paranoidphreak: qbittorrent |
| 21:16.23 | langkid1 | somiaj, I know, but I can't find a suitable city under America |
| 21:16.31 | somiaj | langkid1: what time zone? |
| 21:16.36 | paranoidphreak | engla: thanks |
| 21:16.36 | mithodin | Hey guys. I want to install mpd on a server, but there are some dependencies that the servers owner is not cofortable with. Is there a way to disable certain functions of mpd (pulseaudio output, for instance) using apt? |
| 21:16.36 | langkid1 | central |
| 21:17.13 | jb-4711 | engla: it's generating all locales now, which seems to take quite a while. - Is that OK? |
| 21:17.13 | somiaj | Detroit? |
| 21:17.21 | langkid1 | I'll try that |
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| 21:17.49 | engla | jb-4711: it works but yes it's quicker to just select a few, you don't need many |
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| 21:18.06 | langkid1 | :< Dallas or Houston needs to be in the city list, those cities are major enough |
| 21:18.14 | jb-4711 | engla: I did not know how to do that :) |
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| 21:18.23 | lowtax | what else is there like iftop |
| 21:18.26 | engla | jb-4711: it should give you a list when you reconfigure |
| 21:18.38 | engla | jb-4711: you'll want de_DE.UTF-8 I guess and then any others |
| 21:18.55 | langkid1 | wait never mind, I found something else |
| 21:19.04 | jb-4711 | engla: yes, but en_US.UTF-8 was not in the list, so I selected to generate all |
| 21:19.14 | engla | jb-4711: it should be ther |
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| 21:24.18 | epicfail | hi nerds, does anyone know a working twitter client for debian stable or where i get the sourcecode of one? |
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| 21:24.43 | CXIV | epicfail Isn't a tweetdeck better idea? |
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| 21:25.06 | engla | epicfail: does gwibber work? |
| 21:25.07 | CXIV | epicfail You can use it via Chrome |
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| 21:25.24 | lowtax | what else is there like iftop |
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| 21:26.24 | epicfail | CXIV, no thx i would rather not give the NSA any opportunity to compromise my system and stick with a open source solution |
| 21:26.45 | epicfail | engla, i think its not working |
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| 21:27.06 | epicfail | engla, but maybe i have to activate id somehow in my twitter acc... idk |
| 21:27.36 | CXIV | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:27.38 | diverdude | if i do ./configure --prefix=installdir will all files whatsoever from this make be put in installdir? |
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| 21:28.20 | engla | diverdude: probably, but every program can have exceptions |
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| 21:28.56 | epicfail | CXIV, it does not unless i tweet my deepest secreats and even if i would... noone followes me anyway |
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| 21:29.40 | CXIV | epicfail gwibber Have some issues |
| 21:30.00 | acx0 | is it recommended to use unstable if you're planning on contributing to debian packages? |
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| 21:30.10 | jb-4711 | engla: generating all the locales has finished now. But the output of "ls -l" is still in German. How do I change that to English? |
| 21:30.37 | engla | jb-4711: dpkg-reconfigure could ask you to change default locale for all users? if you changed that, login again |
| 21:30.51 | engla | jb-4711: else set LANG=de_DE.UTF-8 (or what you want) somewhere. |
| 21:31.21 | engla | jb-4711: locale -a will list all available locales and just 'locale' will show the details of the current |
| 21:31.35 | epicfail | screw you guys i ask my software center |
| 21:31.56 | ompaul | epicfail: yes cartman |
| 21:32.05 | mithodin | that was on my head too |
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| 21:37.17 | CXIV | Is it a bad idea to install debian on usb drive? |
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| 21:37.58 | acx0 | CXIV, I keep a usb with debian installed with some useful tools |
| 21:38.45 | somiaj | CXIV: usb drives are just really slow. |
| 21:39.18 | somiaj | CXIV: that is the major issue, a debian-live custom system may be more to your desire (but you do have to deal with persistance of data, I just use a seperate partiton on the usb drive for that) |
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| 21:40.41 | aliljet | hi -- I was wondering if anyone happened to know a good resource for converting a current multi-partition debian live image into a single-partition debian live image? |
| 21:41.12 | CXIV | somiaj I got 20 MB/s read/write |
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| 21:41.53 | engla | you have to buy one carefully and find a speedy one |
| 21:42.07 | CXIV | somiaj But im more afraid of lifetime :D |
| 21:42.10 | engla | (20MBps good) |
| 21:42.21 | somiaj | CXIV: I was just saying that is the major concern, but yes you can install debian just fine on a usb drive. |
| 21:42.38 | engla | CXIV: is it really a concern? if it dies you can replace it |
| 21:43.01 | CXIV | Yep :) |
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| 21:43.52 | manhunter | in some web page i see Adobe flash player has crashed, why? |
| 21:44.00 | manhunter | ii flashplugin-nonfree 1:2.8.2 Adobe Flash Player - browser plugin |
| 21:44.32 | CXIV | manhunter Which browser? |
| 21:44.48 | alecs1 | hi, what's the standard way of merging sound from multiple users with PulseAudio? |
| 21:44.51 | manhunter | firefox 10.0.2 , i downloaded that from their website |
| 21:45.16 | alecs1 | I want to hear the output from 2 logged-in users at the same time |
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| 21:45.51 | alecs1 | currently I can only hear sound from the user on the current VT |
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| 21:47.13 | CXIV | manhunter What about Chrome? |
| 21:47.29 | manhunter | i don't use chrome |
| 21:47.49 | CXIV | manhunter How about Iceweasel provided with Debian? |
| 21:48.00 | CXIV | The same issue? |
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| 21:51.50 | jb-4711 | engla: I just found this in /etc/profile: http://pastebin.com/V0cCmBKh |
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| 21:52.11 | manhunter | xConMz: i don't use iceweasel |
| 21:52.24 | jb-4711 | engla: can I just edit these lines? and what do I have to do to make these changes take effect? |
| 21:52.57 | manhunter | CXIV: i don't use iceweasel |
| 21:54.13 | jhutchins_lt | manhunter: Kinda silly to go to the trouble of dealing with the mozilla installer when iceweasel is the exact same software and can be maintained automatically. |
| 21:54.24 | nkuttler | manhunter: he didn't ask what you use but if you have the same problem with other browsers |
| 21:54.40 | engla | jb-4711: yes, dpkg-reconfigure locales should have changed those? You need to relogin |
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| 21:54.58 | engla | jb-4711: or source that file |
| 21:55.04 | engla | jb-4711: (after editing it) |
| 21:55.18 | engla | jb-4711: make sure your wanted locale is in the list of locale -a |
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| 21:55.33 | syslq | What is a difference between somelib and somelib-dev package? |
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| 21:56.04 | engla | syslq: -dev contains stuff like headers which you need when you compile to use the library `somepackage` |
| 21:56.32 | manhunter | nkuttler: if i don't use how would i know |
| 21:56.39 | syslq | engla: so dev is lib source? |
| 21:56.44 | nkuttler | manhunter: firefox is not in debian, not supported here |
| 21:57.04 | manhunter | its the debian flash player that causes problem |
| 21:57.05 | nkuttler | manhunter: so find firefox support and/or adobe's flash support |
| 21:57.06 | engla | syslq: no, headers. |
| 21:57.12 | syslq | engla: aha |
| 21:57.16 | syslq | engla: thanks |
| 21:57.25 | manhunter | its the debian package adobe flash player that causes problem |
| 21:57.29 | nkuttler | manhunter: the debian package only dowloads flash from adobe. it's not debian's flash |
| 21:57.30 | engla | syslq: (you don't need the source to compile against a library) |
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| 21:58.04 | manhunter | is debeian package for adobe flash built from source? |
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| 21:58.14 | nkuttler | manhunter: which source? |
| 21:58.24 | manhunter | adobe flash player |
| 21:58.26 | engla | manhunter: it's a non-free package so don't blame debian |
| 21:58.49 | nkuttler | manhunter: only adobe has the flash source |
| 21:58.58 | manhunter | so does debian use the binary of adobe flash player? |
| 21:59.03 | nkuttler | right |
| 21:59.04 | jb-4711 | engla: OK, re-login solved it, thx! |
| 21:59.24 | manhunter | so it's all fucking adobe flash player binary problem , right? |
| 21:59.45 | engla | jb-4711: great. All this time I understood that you *wanted german* instead of english. Wishful thinking I gues.. |
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| 22:00.43 | manhydra | manhunter: If you're experiencing problems with Adobe flash player, then yes, it's all Adobe's fault |
| 22:01.00 | syslq | engla: I understand, it's like lib's api |
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| 22:04.45 | Innocentus | hi |
| 22:04.59 | Innocentus | Where can I find the php extensions on debian? |
| 22:05.13 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions php |
| 22:05.14 | judd | No package named 'php' was found in i386. |
| 22:05.34 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions php5 |
| 22:05.35 | judd | Package: php5 on i386 -- lenny: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny13; lenny-proposed-updates: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny16; lenny-security: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny16; squeeze: 5.3.3-7+squeeze3; squeeze-proposed-updates: 5.3.3-7+squeeze7; squeeze-security: 5.3.3-7+squeeze7; squeeze-security: 5.3.3-7+squeeze8; sid: 5.3.10-1; wheezy: 5.3.10-1; experimental: 5.4.0~rc7-2; experimental: 5.4.0~rc8-1 |
| 22:05.46 | jhutchins_lt | Innocentus: aptitude search php |
| 22:06.19 | Innocentus | jhutchins_lt: welll, I want to know where on harddrive the php files are |
| 22:06.38 | jhutchins_lt | Innocentus: locate php, dpkg -L php5 |
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| 22:07.04 | jhutchins_lt | Innocentus: Depends on which files you're looking for. |
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| 22:12.21 | jb-4711 | one more question: /join #screen |
| 22:12.31 | jb-4711 | sorry |
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| 22:13.44 | manhunter | what is the version of debian adobe flash player? |
| 22:13.49 | manhunter | Version: 1:2.8.2 , what does that mean? |
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| 22:14.57 | nkuttler | manhunter: it's the version of the debian package that downloads the adobe binary |
| 22:15.21 | nkuttler | manhunter: use "about:plugins" in firefox to get the version i guess.. |
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| 22:49.37 | e-anima | i installed pecl install imagick ..but somehow "convert" is not avaliable via the command line |
| 22:50.01 | e-anima | its not in /usr/bin/convert |
| 22:51.43 | abrotman | !tell e-anima about apt-file |
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| 22:52.38 | engla | e-anima: imagemagick package. |
| 22:53.15 | e-anima | thx |
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| 22:57.04 | radik_ | somone speak in polish language ? |
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| 22:58.36 | e-anima | no sorry |
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| 22:58.50 | johnfg | hi folks! |
| 22:59.24 | johnfg | Any reason why my cruzer 8gb flash drive works fine in squeeze but gives an error in lenny? |
| 23:00.26 | ompaul | johnfg: do other drives work in your lenny? |
| 23:00.35 | ompaul | !pl |
| 23:00.36 | dpkg | Na kanale #debian rozmawiamy po angielsku; jesli chcesz lub wolisz mowic po polsku, wejdz na kanal #debian-pl na irc.freenode.net (Polish speakers please go to #debian-pl on irc.freenode.net). pl is also <perl>. |
| 23:01.15 | johnfg | The err msg is Cannot Mount Volume.Invalid mount option when attempting to mount the volume 'Cruzer'. |
| 23:01.37 | ompaul | johnfg: can you answer the question I asked |
| 23:01.45 | johnfg | ompaul: Yes other drives work in lenny. |
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| 23:02.18 | johnfg | ompaul: I had already typed the previous one in before your first question :-) |
| 23:02.19 | ompaul | johnfg: as root please type "fdisk -l" and pastebin it in http://paste.debian.org |
| 23:02.29 | johnfg | ompaul: OK, will do. |
| 23:02.39 | Intensity | Hi. I am trying to get IP forwarding set up properly so I can access a network in a UML. I'm wondering if someone would be able to help with this. |
| 23:02.42 | dioz | he must have bumped his head |
| 23:02.59 | Anthony_ | I have a server from OVH running Debian 6 |
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| 23:06.18 | johnfg | ompaul: Here it is: http://paste.debian.net/156775 |
| 23:06.37 | johnfg | But the cruzer isn't showing up. |
| 23:07.06 | vbrummond | by the power of greyskull so many partitions ;P |
| 23:07.19 | ompaul | johnfg: your hardware appears to be faulty - it should see it |
| 23:07.27 | ompaul | johnfg: try another port |
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| 23:08.58 | johnfg | ompaul: I thought of that too, but again, np in squeeze. |
| 23:10.10 | ompaul | johnfg: same hardware for lenny vs squeeze or different hardware |
| 23:10.11 | johnfg | ompaul: Same error in another port :-( I don't think it's the hardware though, as other flash drives work on this machine. |
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| 23:11.15 | johnfg | ompaul: I've got squeeze on a couple of machines, one the same as lenny and the drive works on the same machine. |
| 23:11.27 | ompaul | so different hardware |
| 23:11.47 | ompaul | hands johnfg the little book of conflation ;-) |
| 23:12.30 | johnfg | Ok, what are we conflatin'? Sounds like redaction to me :-) |
| 23:13.07 | tabakhase | is it save to delete all files in /var/log? files, not directorys |
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| 23:13.55 | ompaul | tabakhase: don't delete the files that are being written to today - they can be too handy :) |
| 23:14.34 | tabakhase | ompaul its about editing an image before its first boot, so it should be fine ;-) |
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| 23:15.58 | bantamug | the default fonts in chromium / iceweasel seem really small in Squeeze - what's the best way to change this system-wide? |
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| 23:17.07 | engla | bantamug: it should be to configure a greater DPS with either xorg or desktop mechanism, but maybe iceweasel caps this at 96, I'm not sure. |
| 23:17.15 | engla | DPS? DPI I mean |
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| 23:19.31 | bantamug | engla: thanks - DPI setting in the gnome tool seems to affect terminals but not browsers. |
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| 23:20.06 | engla | it should affect firefox if you restart it. |
| 23:20.31 | engla | maybe it's possible to change ~/.fonts.conf to influence chromium? |
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| 23:21.49 | bantamug | engla: alas, no, title bars, menu items etc. change size but the contents of chrome / FF remain teeny |
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| 23:27.15 | bantamug | Q: I used to be able to see something like "estimated power drain" (e.g. 30W) in powertop but the version I'm using on Squeeze (amd64, core2duo lenovo t400) doesn't seem to show this - any ideas? |
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| 23:32.02 | engla | bantamug: I'd like to know how to get firefox to respect the dpi as well.. |
| 23:32.12 | engla | bantamug: upower -d shows a power use figure |
| 23:35.49 | bantamug | engla: ah - thanks. which brings me to my next issue - under last version of Ubuntu on here it as 12-15W idle. Discharging at about 28W right now... |
| 23:37.20 | engla | it's not until the absolute latest pm-utils in debian unstable/testing that debian autosuspends usb devices in powersaving mode |
| 23:37.33 | engla | powertop also has a long "checklist" in its last tab |
| 23:37.55 | engla | and if you have sandy bridge or maybe similar intel graphics, enable rc6 |
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| 23:40.20 | bantamug | engla: I don't actually see any "tabs" in powertop - using version 1.11 |
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| 23:41.06 | engla | oh I'm sorry. I assumed the missing power use information was the 1. and 2. versions split |
| 23:41.18 | engla | doesn't it still have powersaving tips? |
| 23:41.43 | neil__ | hi I just did a net install there was a glitch, and it didn't ask me if I wanted a GUI ... :-( ... now what package can I install to get it? |
| 23:42.09 | bantamug | engla: they kind of pop up now and then at the bottom but no single tab - is 2.x available in any debian branch? |
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| 23:45.23 | engla | bantamug: yes in testing, it's called 1.97. I don't know if it's much better |
| 23:45.43 | engla | but the checklist is longer, but it is without exact instructions how to make the changes permanent.. |
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| 23:46.33 | bantamug | engla: ok, debian newbie here - what's the right way to install a single package from the testing branch if I'm running stable? |
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| 23:47.02 | neil__ | what is the base package to get gnome and all the apps? |
| 23:47.15 | engla | bantamug: you shouldn't. You should get it from squeeze-backports if it's there (it isn't), or manually backport it |
| 23:47.22 | engla | neil__: gnome-desktop-environment on stable |
| 23:47.34 | neil__ | engla, thanks |
| 23:48.23 | engla | neil__: however the desktop task used by the installer includes more than that |
| 23:49.18 | engla | neil__: you could install 'tasksel' and run that |
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| 23:50.32 | neil__ | engla: the sources list isn't correct... its only got the install CD in it. |
| 23:52.43 | neil__ | can someone give me a copy of the sources.list for squeeze |
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| 23:54.02 | vbrummond | neil_ the main repo is: deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian squeeze main |
| 23:54.24 | vbrummond | oops neil__ (tagged you wrong) ^ |
| 23:55.15 | engla | ftp.debian.org would work generally right, it should just route you to the closest one |
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| 23:55.22 | lenswipe | hey guys |
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| 23:55.26 | lenswipe | i cant get a DVD to play |
| 23:55.34 | lenswipe | when i try and play it with VLC - VLC just quits |
| 23:55.38 | lenswipe | can someone help? |
| 23:55.58 | lenswipe | totem does the same |
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| 23:56.56 | neil__ | vbrummond, thanks |
| 23:57.42 | lenswipe | i have the CSS library installed |
| 23:57.44 | lenswipe | can someone help? |
| 23:58.18 | vbrummond | lenswipe: try switching vlc to use x11video to see if that works; if not switch it back to xvideo |
| 23:58.24 | lenswipe | how? |
| 23:58.29 | AimHere | lenswipe, have you tried running vlc from the command line, and perhaps using the '-v' options if necessary? |
| 23:58.32 | lenswipe | bear in mind its not just VLC |
| 23:58.37 | lenswipe | like totem does this aswell |
| 23:58.44 | vbrummond | yes but both totem and vlc use xvideo >_> |
| 23:58.47 | lenswipe | k |
| 23:59.12 | lenswipe | yeah i tried x11video |
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| 23:59.16 | lenswipe | same |
| 23:59.18 | lenswipe | just crashes out |
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| 23:59.49 | vbrummond | ah ok, then you might want to get more detailed debugging information; as suggested by the other user run it from command line :) hopefully its a simple fix |
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