| 00:00.11 | lenswipe | http://pastebin.com/mGqGJQgx |
| 00:00.14 | lenswipe | vbrummond, ^ |
| 00:00.23 | lenswipe | AimHere, ^ |
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| 00:00.41 | hkessler | does anyone know of a good howto for drupal7 on debian sid please? |
| 00:01.00 | simonlnu | hkessler: drupal.org ? |
| 00:01.13 | lenswipe | hkessler, 1 download drupal. 2. cut/paste it into /var/www 3. profit |
| 00:01.22 | simonlnu | !debian-next hkessler |
| 00:01.22 | dpkg | hkessler: #debian-next is a channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net). |
| 00:01.30 | hkessler | lenswipe, you funny |
| 00:01.33 | lenswipe | ? |
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| 00:01.59 | lenswipe | vbrummond, AimHere any thoughts on why that DVD wont play? |
| 00:02.28 | torpid | i'm having a frustrating issue when I attempt to open OpenPGP/MIME signed messages in evolution - evolution simply segfaults and quits. when I run evolution through gdb, it does not crash when I click on said messages. I'm running everything from the unstable branch. Any ideas as to what might be going on? |
| 00:02.37 | hkessler | dpkg, thankyou |
| 00:02.37 | dpkg | hkessler: no problem |
| 00:02.38 | vbrummond | lenswipe: try reinstalling libdvdnav4; make sure its a proper version from squeeze; also make sure if its not just this dvd, try other ones too |
| 00:02.53 | lenswipe | oka |
| 00:02.55 | lenswipe | okay* |
| 00:02.57 | AimHere | Also I suggest making sure the dvdcss library is properly installed |
| 00:02.58 | hkessler | dpkg, apache2 |
| 00:02.59 | dpkg | apache2 is actually version 2.2 in Debian Squeeze and is a virtual package provided by a worker (ask me about <apache2 mpm>). Ask me about <install apache> and <apache manual>; see also <cnrd>, <userdir>. Additional help in #httpd on irc.freenode.net. Apache 1.3 is no longer provided (see <apache 1.3>). |
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| 00:03.22 | AimHere | Or whatever CSS library you have to import from outside Debian to make encrypted DVDs go |
| 00:03.40 | lenswipe | vbrummond, synaptic > complete removal then re-install? |
| 00:03.45 | lenswipe | that do the job? |
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| 00:04.03 | vbrummond | if possible yes, there is also a reinstall option but it seems to me like its less effective than a full removal |
| 00:04.04 | AimHere | well update your repository files then install |
| 00:04.22 | AimHere | There might be a new version that fixes your problem, if you're lucky |
| 00:04.26 | lenswipe | hmm |
| 00:04.32 | vbrummond | it will want to remove everything like gstreamer probably; so perhaps just 'reinstall; |
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| 00:04.48 | shaun- | anyone got any moo cow skills? |
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| 00:06.10 | lenswipe | AimHere, vbrummond http://imagebin.org/199609 any thoughts on that? |
| 00:06.26 | lenswipe | shaun-, i could eat grass and shit in a feild if you paid me enough |
| 00:07.25 | hkessler | simonlnu, evidently debian-next is "invite-only" |
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| 00:07.41 | AimHere | I think that looks like a missing dvd library, like the dvdnav or dvdcss one |
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| 00:08.12 | simonlnu | hkessler: on oftc |
| 00:08.21 | simonlnu | hkessler: irc.oftc.net |
| 00:08.21 | hkessler | sec |
| 00:08.30 | lenswipe | AimHere, i searched for libdvdcss it came back with libdvdread4 and told me it was already installed |
| 00:08.37 | simonlnu | you didn't read the whole thing ;) |
| 00:09.08 | simonlnu | the one here is invite-only on purpose |
| 00:09.08 | AimHere | Well the css libraries that vlc needs aren't to be had from Debian |
| 00:09.15 | hkessler | nods |
| 00:09.19 | vbrummond | lenswipe: not sure. As totem uses gstreamer ensure these packages are installed: gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg; also you do need libdvdcss2 from debian-multimedia.org |
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| 00:10.01 | Morgawr | hello everyone.. I have a question. I need to use mono 2.10 (support for 4.0 .NET), however it seems debian stable only has 2.6... is there a way I can get the 2.10 running? |
| 00:10.35 | hkessler | simonlnu, is there a major difference between them? |
| 00:10.51 | vbrummond | Morgawr: probably not |
| 00:11.04 | Morgawr | http://developer.mindtouch.com/en/docs/mindtouch_setup/010Installation/020Installing_on_Debian/Installing%2F%2FUpgrading_Mono_on_Debian I found this page |
| 00:11.09 | Morgawr | it seems to have mono compiled from source |
| 00:11.14 | Morgawr | I guess I might give it a go |
| 00:11.32 | simonlnu | hkessler: yes, 2 different networks |
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| 00:11.45 | lenswipe | vbrummond, i say totem - its just called "Movie Player" im guessing thats just totem isnt it? |
| 00:11.57 | vbrummond | yes, that is totem, is just called movie player in gnome :D |
| 00:11.58 | simonlnu | hkessler: you're on the freenode network right now |
| 00:12.08 | lenswipe | kk |
| 00:12.31 | hkessler | simonlnu, yes, that I am aware of |
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| 00:13.07 | simonlnu | hkessler: /server irc.oftc.net then /join #debian-next |
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| 00:16.39 | lenswipe | AimHere, so i tried to add debian multimedia |
| 00:16.39 | lenswipe | http://pastebin.com/rDu0nwHM |
| 00:16.42 | lenswipe | i got that |
| 00:17.11 | vbrummond | lenswipe gpg error is normal; just install debian-multimedia-keyring |
| 00:17.18 | lenswipe | how? |
| 00:17.37 | vbrummond | apt-get install debian-multimedia-keyring? |
| 00:18.38 | lenswipe | ok |
| 00:18.43 | lenswipe | so i just installed libdvdcss2 |
| 00:18.58 | lenswipe | what the fuck?! |
| 00:19.03 | lenswipe | VLC just vanished form my applications menu |
| 00:19.04 | lenswipe | ?!?! |
| 00:19.23 | vbrummond | lenswipe: take a chill pill man :P |
| 00:19.29 | TheWizardOfDB | and a beer |
| 00:19.30 | lenswipe | vbrummond, yeah im having a shit day |
| 00:19.53 | vbrummond | i was going to suggest just installing the libdvdcss2 deb and not worrying about adding the repo |
| 00:19.56 | lenswipe | TheWizardOfDB, id love to have a beer but we havent got any in, the off-licence is shut and everyone here was fannying around until the pubs were shut too |
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| 00:19.58 | lenswipe | fucks sake |
| 00:20.01 | lenswipe | hmm |
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| 00:20.41 | TheWizardOfDB | :( bad day |
| 00:20.41 | lenswipe | its playing now |
| 00:20.43 | lenswipe | yep |
| 00:20.49 | vbrummond | awww yeah \o/ victory |
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| 00:21.00 | lenswipe | vbrummond, TheWizardOfDB AimHere thank you so much guys |
| 00:21.06 | vbrummond | np |
| 00:21.08 | lenswipe | im off to watch The Taking Of Pelham 123 |
| 00:21.11 | lenswipe | over and out |
| 00:21.20 | AimHere | I hope it's the seventies one with Walter Matthau |
| 00:21.30 | AimHere | Otherwise I feel we may have made a dreadful mistake |
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| 00:27.03 | max_sharpe | lol |
| 00:27.07 | max_sharpe | yes the old one was the good one |
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| 00:30.43 | Ludlow | !debian |
| 00:30.43 | dpkg | [debian] http://www.debian.org. See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html#contents |
| 00:30.59 | Ludlow | !comice |
| 00:31.21 | Ludlow | !help |
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| 00:43.04 | Maccer | I'm quite confused. I'm slightly new to debian but, is there an init.d / rc.conf in plain-text for debian where I can add boot items? |
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| 00:43.34 | cesaro | it has folders with runlevels |
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| 00:43.46 | cesaro | but its easiest to edit boot daemons with rcconf (for me) |
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| 00:46.52 | nkuttler | Maccer: /etc/init.d/README and /etc/init.d/skeleton |
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| 00:48.16 | Maccer | nkuttler: Debian uses sh scripts? Damn... The BSD and Arch init/rc will always be in my heart! :< |
| 00:48.50 | simonlnu | sysv |
| 00:49.10 | simonlnu | most linux distros use it |
| 00:49.57 | Maccer | In arch, all you have to do is add to a simple line, lol. |
| 00:49.58 | cesaro | gentoo has a magic c based one |
| 00:50.00 | cesaro | which is fast as hell |
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| 00:50.20 | Maccer | Also damn, the debian channel is HUGE |
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| 01:02.22 | isanta | hi |
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| 01:02.32 | isanta | people |
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| 01:16.22 | Ludlow | I'm testing debian on vm right now. |
| 01:16.35 | unkmar | nice |
| 01:17.16 | Ludlow | Epiphany is giving me a hardtime removing it |
| 01:20.52 | vbrummond | Ludlow: its possible to remove, just remove it with apt-get and then go into synaptic and mark all the autoremove dependencies as manually installed: dont use aptitude as it will want to remove most of gnome |
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| 01:21.14 | Ludlow | ok t hanks |
| 01:21.56 | vbrummond | if it wants to remove "gnome" and "gnome-desktop-environment" that is ok, let it; just make sure it doesnt remove needed apps like evolution, nautilus, etc, it will mark some as automatically removable but as i said just mark them as automatically installed |
| 01:22.00 | vbrummond | err manually* |
| 01:22.17 | Ludlow | I just want to remove epiphany |
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| 01:23.44 | vbrummond | Ludlow: yes and i explained how :) |
| 01:24.22 | Ludlow | thanks |
| 01:24.29 | unkmar | ok, what do I tell xterm to use white on black instead of the default of black on white? |
| 01:24.57 | Ludlow | sudo is telling me my root password is wrong>! |
| 01:25.14 | ParkerR | Ludlow, sudo uses your user password |
| 01:25.18 | ParkerR | Not root password |
| 01:25.20 | unkmar | sudo expects your user password. su is for the root password. |
| 01:25.21 | Ludlow | yeah I know. |
| 01:25.27 | Ludlow | I tried both :( |
| 01:25.36 | Ludlow | I'm rebooting now |
| 01:25.44 | unkmar | and you are in the sudoers file? |
| 01:25.57 | Ludlow | I was in terminal |
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| 01:26.38 | CXIV | Is there any desktop manager lighter than lxde? |
| 01:26.51 | Ludlow | ludlow@Debian32x:~$ sudo apt-get remove Epiphany |
| 01:26.52 | Ludlow | [sudo] password for ludlow: |
| 01:26.52 | Ludlow | ludlow is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported. |
| 01:27.06 | CXIV | lol |
| 01:27.13 | ron_mexico | Ludlow, become root and type "visudo" to add yourself |
| 01:27.24 | Ludlow | what does visudo mean? |
| 01:27.32 | ron_mexico | it opens up your sudoers file in an editor |
| 01:27.41 | ParkerR | Ludlow, It edits the sudoers file |
| 01:27.44 | CXIV | Ludlow type : sudo passwd |
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| 01:29.28 | Delf | Seriously, I been trying like an idiot to get SSL or TLS to work with vsFTPD, no luck :( |
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| 01:31.34 | Ludlow | hmm seems like my root password has changed wt?!? |
| 01:32.26 | Ludlow | dammit |
| 01:32.57 | simonlnu | root and sudo aren't the same account |
| 01:33.14 | Ludlow | I tried sudo and root and still no go |
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| 01:33.51 | engla | I don't think you need to edit the sudoers file, just add yourself to the sudo group |
| 01:34.03 | Ludlow | from usernamanger? |
| 01:34.23 | engla | adduser yourname sudo |
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| 01:36.37 | Ludlow | adduser command not recongized |
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| 01:37.58 | Ludlow | hmm I just noticed a root-terminal and a terminal under accessories |
| 01:38.01 | Ludlow | ) |
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| 01:40.34 | neil__ | I have just installed debian wheezy in a virtualbox VM ... on Ubuntu I can get the display to auto. adjust to the VM window size ... how do I do this with debian? |
| 01:41.11 | vbrummond | neil__ install guest additions |
| 01:42.13 | neil__ | vbrummond, there are three... dkms, utils, x11 .... do I install all three? |
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| 01:42.48 | vbrummond | neil__ you might want to install them from the guest additions iso |
| 01:42.55 | vbrummond | its more a virtualbox issue than a debian one |
| 01:43.17 | vbrummond | you could try installing the x11 and utils but im not sure if it will work |
| 01:43.34 | neil__ | vbrummond, ok |
| 01:43.35 | vbrummond | well no harm in trying :) |
| 01:43.42 | vbrummond | just remove them if they dont |
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| 01:57.41 | kripz | how can i stress multiple disks at the same time? |
| 01:58.06 | nsadmin | sit on them |
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| 01:58.30 | Ludlow | throw them against the wall |
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| 01:58.58 | linux_inferno | bucket of water? |
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| 02:00.43 | linux_inferno | RAID |
| 02:00.56 | vbrummond | inform them that they owe two years of child support? </troll> |
| 02:01.05 | linux_inferno | lololol |
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| 02:02.15 | Kamping_Kaiser | rebuilding a raid array, definitely stressful |
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| 02:03.12 | nsadmin | oh, he means spray them with bug spray :) |
| 02:03.46 | nsadmin | isn't there a good stresser program in the archive? |
| 02:03.50 | vbrummond | kripz: for serious try using dd |
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| 02:04.01 | kripz | vbrummond, how do i stress 20 disks at once |
| 02:04.23 | nsadmin | how do you connect 20 disks at once? :) |
| 02:04.32 | vbrummond | i only have one disk lol |
| 02:05.02 | linux_inferno | only one? jeez I have 32 |
| 02:05.31 | nsadmin | how do you power 20 disks at once? :) |
| 02:06.23 | vbrummond | kripz: no idea, try to find a program that simulates disk stress such as stress or stressapptest |
| 02:06.34 | linux_inferno | external rackmount chassis with standalone redundant PSUs |
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| 02:10.52 | lenswipe | hey guys |
| 02:11.00 | linux_inferno | hello |
| 02:11.04 | lenswipe | any photographers in here? |
| 02:11.11 | linux_inferno | maybe |
| 02:11.19 | linux_inferno | this is debian chats |
| 02:11.23 | lenswipe | i knopw |
| 02:11.25 | lenswipe | know* |
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| 02:12.01 | lenswipe | thing is, i want to do HDR but i have debian on my computer which rules out the usage of photomatix and photoshop ( cant afford them anyway ) wondered if anyone knew of any free utils |
| 02:12.37 | linux_inferno | eeek... thats a tough one |
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| 02:13.07 | lenswipe | ah i found one |
| 02:13.14 | nsadmin | there's gimp |
| 02:13.15 | lenswipe | "Luminance HDR" |
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| 02:13.24 | lenswipe | nsadmin, for HDR? are you having a laugh? XD |
| 02:13.31 | nsadmin | what's hdr? |
| 02:13.32 | lenswipe | http://qtpfsgui.sourceforge.net/?page_id=10 |
| 02:13.36 | lenswipe | nsadmin, google it :) |
| 02:13.43 | linux_inferno | high dynamic range imaging |
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| 02:13.57 | lenswipe | nsadmin, google can give you a much better explanation than i ever could |
| 02:14.24 | lenswipe | i found: http://qtpfsgui.sourceforge.net/?page_id=10 but it says i should "ask their vendors for a pre-packaged binary." |
| 02:14.27 | lenswipe | da fuq? |
| 02:14.49 | dmbaturin | lenswipe: http://packages.debian.org/sid/qtpfsgui |
| 02:14.54 | vbrummond | http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=HDR&searchon=all&suite=stable§ion=all |
| 02:14.59 | lenswipe | thanks |
| 02:15.38 | dmbaturin | Squeeze also has it, so 'aptitude install qtpfsgui' should do it. |
| 02:15.43 | nsadmin | wow, what just happened?! so you asked me to search google when you hadn't yet either? |
| 02:15.44 | lenswipe | yeah i see that |
| 02:15.45 | nsadmin | alllllllllllllllllllllllll |
| 02:15.48 | lenswipe | quick question |
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| 02:15.53 | nsadmin | rightey then! |
| 02:16.06 | lenswipe | does the packages.debian.org site and the synaptic repos stay in sync? |
| 02:16.13 | Marezz | Hey guys, what should I have in sources list by default for debian sid? |
| 02:16.20 | dmbaturin | lenswipe: They do mostly. |
| 02:16.26 | lenswipe | cool |
| 02:16.36 | lenswipe | sep dbs or 1 global DB? |
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| 02:16.56 | lenswipe | ima go try this outside |
| 02:16.56 | lenswipe | brb |
| 02:17.21 | nsadmin | lenswipe, having said that, when you said "google will have better explanation", I got that part. |
| 02:18.30 | nsadmin | (having said THAT, google wouldn't ask you wnats hdr! |
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| 02:22.34 | lenswipe | nsadmin, lol |
| 02:22.44 | lenswipe | im just crappy at explaining things :( |
| 02:22.53 | lenswipe | you may have noticed lol |
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| 02:24.00 | Jasonn | hi, I cant remove a package, what should I run? |
| 02:24.02 | dFence | Hi guys. I know I should know this (been there often enough, but it's been a while..) |
| 02:24.04 | Jasonn | I was told a command last time |
| 02:24.04 | nsadmin | so you wanted to make sure I had a better quality answer |
| 02:24.36 | nsadmin | aptitude remove packagename |
| 02:25.00 | dFence | The kernel-makefile won't perform the make menuconfig – though libncurses5-dev is installed. I remember it being a glitch in the makefiles, but I can't for the life of me figure it out... any ideas? |
| 02:25.56 | nsadmin | try make xdonfig or qconfig |
| 02:26.13 | nsadmin | xconfig |
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| 02:26.25 | lenswipe | nsadmin, exactly |
| 02:26.37 | dFence | nsadmin: headless machine |
| 02:26.57 | nsadmin | ssh in from a headded machine :) |
| 02:27.34 | dFence | nsadmin: >_< it's the only linux machine available |
| 02:27.56 | nsadmin | hmm. try make clean |
| 02:28.25 | dFence | nsadmin: i remember it being some discrepancy between ncurses-dev and the compiler-flags (by pkg-config?) |
| 02:28.38 | nsadmin | does it say anything about why it can't? |
| 02:28.54 | dFence | nsadmin: the default "install ncurses(-devel)" bullshit |
| 02:29.19 | dFence | nsadmin: if I install any more ncurses-packages i might as well rename the whole distro to ncursnix |
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| 02:30.54 | nsadmin | hmm... wonder if it has anything to do with which compiler was used to build ncurses versus the compiler you have installed |
| 02:31.14 | dFence | nsadmin: both deb-packages from the same distro, so I guess that can be ruled out |
| 02:31.38 | nsadmin | what dist would that be, btw? |
| 02:31.49 | dFence | ~_~ ubuntu 11.10 |
| 02:32.03 | dFence | but I remember having the same issues with debian 5.0 |
| 02:32.23 | nsadmin | which is EOL as of earlier this month... |
| 02:33.29 | dFence | nsadmin: semantics... I bet I can reproduce the same error under 6.0 |
| 02:33.35 | nsadmin | I'm stuck... besides, I dunno ubuntu that well |
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| 02:35.53 | nsadmin | dFence, if you were to do that, you could be helping find a problem on the debian side... |
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| 02:57.38 | Delf | wtf.. umount is refusing to be killed |
| 02:58.02 | Delf | it's using 100% of one core |
| 02:58.07 | Delf | what is going on? |
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| 02:58.49 | vbrummond | Delf: what are we umounting |
| 02:58.52 | cthuluh | good question -- how are we supposed to guess, without context? :) |
| 02:59.05 | Delf | vbrummond: a 500GB SATA drive |
| 02:59.08 | Delf | not usb |
| 02:59.18 | Delf | what context? |
| 02:59.23 | vbrummond | check dmesg |
| 02:59.35 | Delf | dmesg? |
| 02:59.45 | dmbaturin | Delf: Yep, dmesg. |
| 02:59.49 | vbrummond | run: dmesg | tail |
| 03:01.11 | Delf | I see TCP stuff there |
| 03:01.59 | dmbaturin | dmesg | grep <device name|directory name> |
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| 03:04.05 | Delf | device name? |
| 03:04.13 | Delf | directory name does not work |
| 03:04.20 | Delf | I've tried "/dev/sdc1" |
| 03:04.25 | Delf | nothing appears |
| 03:04.54 | dmbaturin | Try without /dev/ part. |
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| 03:05.17 | Delf | [ 2.240941] sdc1 |
| 03:05.17 | Delf | [ 174.958330] EXT3 FS on sdc1, internal journal |
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| 03:06.33 | Delf | doesn't understand anything |
| 03:06.56 | vbrummond | well alright seems its not reporting anything which I find really surprising actually |
| 03:06.57 | Delf | I'm guessing that dmesg is a program that in the daemon log? |
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| 03:07.19 | dmbaturin | Delf: Kernel log. |
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| 03:07.37 | Delf | the kernel log, ok. But why is umount refusing to be killed? |
| 03:08.05 | vbrummond | it might be in a loop or waiting for writes to return |
| 03:08.58 | Delf | this window appeared saying writing files and let it finish or data will be lost |
| 03:09.02 | Delf | something like that |
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| 03:09.23 | Delf | it's not even a removable drive, its an internal one |
| 03:10.29 | elise-- | Hey if I get the roughly 250mb net installer .iso will I have to go online during the install? |
| 03:10.32 | elise-- | Or |
| 03:10.45 | dmbaturin | elise--: Sure, you will. |
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| 03:11.12 | lstarnes | iirc, the netinstall isos contain the base system |
| 03:11.13 | elise-- | Will it install a basic system with GUI and ask me to go to the pkg place? |
| 03:11.23 | lstarnes | no GUI though I think |
| 03:12.24 | dmbaturin | No GUI, but you can install the very basic system AFAIR. Anyway it's much handier to install all you need from repos righ from system installer. |
| 03:12.29 | elise-- | Slax is 250mb and has a GUI, what's the size for with debian? |
| 03:13.07 | elise-- | Assuming you're on a fast internet connection... |
| 03:14.01 | Delf | how do I kill umount forcely? |
| 03:14.12 | dmbaturin | Delf: try -9 |
| 03:14.30 | Delf | dmbaturin: I don't understand :S |
| 03:14.37 | dmbaturin | Delf: kill -9 $pid |
| 03:14.42 | cthuluh | kill -9 -- though it is probably bad practice |
| 03:14.53 | LtL | Delf: your current working directory is not in that drive is it| |
| 03:15.04 | Delf | LtL: it is not |
| 03:15.05 | engla | elise--: the netinstall can install debian in any small or large configuration. its default desktop is gnome. |
| 03:15.10 | LtL | Delf: k |
| 03:15.32 | Delf | Cthulhux: an estimation of what could happen? |
| 03:15.46 | Cthulhux | no, wha-? |
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| 03:17.00 | Delf | Doesnt work either @ kill -9 26893 |
| 03:17.05 | elise-- | Engla: so it includes gnome in the netinstall .iso? |
| 03:17.19 | dmbaturin | elise--: No. |
| 03:17.20 | cthuluh | Delf: not really ; is there nfs involved? |
| 03:17.30 | Delf | possibly |
| 03:17.40 | cthuluh | sorry? :) |
| 03:18.04 | Delf | cthuluh: I've mounted nfs shares too |
| 03:18.10 | dmbaturin | Delf: You are trying to remove a drive from someone else's system it seems? ;) |
| 03:18.14 | cthuluh | what about this drive? |
| 03:18.22 | cthuluh | is it shared by nfs? |
| 03:19.14 | Delf | it's not |
| 03:19.31 | skilz | How do I setup my debian server so I can browse the home folder from my mac through network? |
| 03:19.32 | Delf | vsftpd and samba are down |
| 03:19.51 | elise-- | Can someone explain why I have an iso under 10mb of a working cli only Linux and a 250mb iso of a GUI Linux, but the 250mb debian iso doesn't include a full base system? |
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| 03:20.12 | cthuluh | skilz: openssh + sftp would be easy and secure |
| 03:20.29 | cthuluh | elise--: which distros? |
| 03:20.48 | cthuluh | Delf: so no nfs in /etc/fstab? |
| 03:20.59 | cthuluh | example: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=713224 |
| 03:21.00 | Delf | Nope, none |
| 03:21.11 | skilz | Cthulhux, Will that let me "browse from my mac"? |
| 03:21.14 | elise-- | The 10mb is the cli only img that comes with the win32 genuine |
| 03:21.36 | cthuluh | skilz: assuming you have software that groks sftp, yes |
| 03:21.42 | elise-- | The 250mb is slax(slax.org) |
| 03:22.26 | cthuluh | slax is highly compressed using techniques for live systems |
| 03:22.46 | elise-- | I know |
| 03:22.56 | elise-- | I sort of love slax |
| 03:23.33 | Delf | what the hell... I need to go to the vet and get put down... monthly payment |
| 03:23.45 | dmbaturin | skilz: You need AFP for that. Implementation is called netatalk. |
| 03:24.16 | dmbaturin | You can use samba or webdav or NFS of course, AFP is just the most native to OS X. |
| 03:24.19 | elise-- | It seems to me there's not many distros anymore |
| 03:24.46 | dmbaturin | elise--: Distrowatch would disagree with that. |
| 03:25.19 | faolchu-aonair | elise--, about 800 last time I checked |
| 03:25.35 | elise-- | But if you check around like the actually exposed to the world number of distros is small |
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| 03:26.13 | dmbaturin | Basic system size only matters for embedded systems. What's the difference is it 500M or 1G if you need a few more gigs of space to make the system any functional? |
| 03:26.30 | vbrummond | debian, ubuntu, min.. oh wait thats just ubuntu green edition, fedora, opensuse, red hat, scientific linux, centos, sles, gentoo, mepis, zenix, *takes breath* |
| 03:26.43 | elise-- | First of all yes |
| 03:26.53 | dmbaturin | Unless you are only going to brose lolcats pictures, I believe it's not your case. |
| 03:26.56 | dmbaturin | * browse |
| 03:27.02 | elise-- | Second of all I have a 2gb limit |
| 03:27.04 | Delf | the system load average is building up.. slowly.. |
| 03:27.23 | engla | elise--: to begin with, the linux kernel is huge. Because it needs to work on any hardware you can install debian on (for that arch) |
| 03:27.29 | elise-- | Third, its essentially embedded |
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| 03:27.56 | dmbaturin | elise--: Then you should go for special purpose distros instead of general purpose. |
| 03:28.22 | elise-- | Hmm |
| 03:28.37 | elise-- | Its not special purpose |
| 03:28.44 | elise-- | Its an SD card |
| 03:28.57 | dmbaturin | If it's an embedded system, it is. |
| 03:28.57 | max_sharpe | sd i would consider purpose |
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| 03:29.19 | elise-- | And the boot process involves vbox/qemu |
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| 03:30.24 | dmbaturin | You can install the basic system and then add X11 with IceWM of something. |
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| 03:30.50 | elise-- | I'm on an android fone and I have an 8gb SD card for dev tools and two 2gb SD cards for whatever and a 2gb USB stick for portability |
| 03:31.27 | elise-- | I use a netbook from Acer for |
| 03:31.45 | elise-- | A full keyboard / system |
| 03:34.50 | elise-- | I use android dosbox, the Acer runs win7 with vbox, and i keep qemu and dosbox for portability to public systems with no root/admin access |
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| 03:35.42 | Delf | When mounting folders with --bind. The target dir must exist, it doesn't get created. But when mounting drives, a dir gets created and has the same name as the drives label name |
| 03:36.04 | Delf | Is it UUID=2a165cc8-9930-40a8-845c-65604a19c82e /media ext3 0 1 |
| 03:36.19 | Delf | Or UUID=2a165cc8-9930-40a8-845c-65604a19c82e /media/500GB ext3 0 1 |
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| 03:37.05 | max_sharpe | well |
| 03:37.18 | max_sharpe | wait lemme check mine |
| 03:37.37 | max_sharpe | Its the second one. |
| 03:37.49 | Delf | but the dir 500GB doesn't exiist |
| 03:37.50 | max_sharpe | 500GB is the nameof the root folder of the drive |
| 03:37.52 | Delf | will it not complain? |
| 03:37.55 | Delf | yes |
| 03:38.01 | max_sharpe | yes you need to create that. |
| 03:38.06 | Delf | wtf? |
| 03:38.15 | Delf | if I don't? |
| 03:38.22 | Delf | It'll complain? |
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| 03:38.27 | max_sharpe | it will make media the root folder |
| 03:38.34 | Delf | holy smokes |
| 03:38.40 | max_sharpe | lol what? |
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| 03:39.10 | Delf | so when I mount using that disk utility |
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| 03:39.20 | max_sharpe | yes mount. |
| 03:39.28 | Delf | no not mount |
| 03:39.34 | max_sharpe | oh bind |
| 03:39.36 | max_sharpe | wait bind? |
| 03:39.41 | Delf | palimpsets |
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| 03:40.13 | Delf | it creates a folder with the same name as the drives label name? |
| 03:40.32 | Delf | but when I unmount, the folder is gone |
| 03:41.06 | elise-- | Poof |
| 03:41.28 | Delf | I don't tend to think of myself as being smart but I sure as hell feel stupid when I'm trying to understand linux |
| 03:41.39 | Blue1 | Delf: what was the mount point? |
| 03:41.55 | engla | Delf: how are you mounting/unmounting it? |
| 03:42.21 | Delf | (un)mounting using the disk utility (palimpsest) |
| 03:42.33 | Blue1 | new one on me. |
| 03:42.48 | engla | and you're not suspecting that this utility is creating and removing directories for you? |
| 03:42.53 | Delf | its in system tools. |
| 03:43.19 | LtL | Delf: what engla said :) |
| 03:43.25 | Delf | engla: possibly, but I've tried unmounting using the "mounter" that can be added to the panel |
| 03:43.39 | Delf | same thing happens there, also when mounting, it creates dir |
| 03:43.44 | Delf | and on unmounting.. its goner |
| 03:43.49 | Blue1 | i am so used to sudo mount /dev/xxx /mnt |
| 03:43.54 | engla | Delf: well that's how those tools you are using work. I've never used that program |
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| 03:44.31 | Blue1 | i don't see it - I am running stock debian |
| 03:44.50 | Delf | Blue1: no gnome? |
| 03:44.55 | max_sharpe | hmmm |
| 03:45.04 | max_sharpe | delft maybe thats the way it works. |
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| 03:45.22 | Blue1 | Delf: I use gnome - just that the programme you are using is not part of a stock debian install. |
| 03:45.29 | Delf | ohh |
| 03:45.32 | LtL | Delf: word to the wise, mount via cli ot /etc/fstab |
| 03:45.34 | max_sharpe | i use mount on mysystem but i created the folder i used |
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| 03:45.49 | Blue1 | what LtL said |
| 03:46.08 | engla | eh, you can mount in the way that works for you |
| 03:46.12 | Delf | I'm looking in mstab and trying to copy it to fstab |
| 03:46.21 | engla | pcmanfm works fine or other file managers probably too |
| 03:46.25 | Blue1 | Delf: naw don't do that. |
| 03:46.33 | Delf | no good? |
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| 03:46.54 | Blue1 | Delf: you backed up /etc/fstab first, right? |
| 03:47.00 | Delf | nope lol |
| 03:47.20 | Delf | is apperantly looking for trouble without knowing it |
| 03:47.21 | Blue1 | Delf: sudo cp /etc/fstab /etc/fstab.org |
| 03:47.34 | Blue1 | always have a path back to the way it was, before you messed it up. |
| 03:47.55 | max_sharpe | look for it! |
| 03:47.56 | Delf | Blue1: I'm not going to change the existing lines, only add more. |
| 03:47.57 | elise-- | Is it fs tab or f stab |
| 03:48.04 | lstarnes | fs tab |
| 03:48.08 | Blue1 | /ec/fstab |
| 03:48.17 | Blue1 | opps /etc/fstab |
| 03:48.24 | lstarnes | it's short for FileSystem TABle |
| 03:48.25 | Delf | max_sharpe: I have.. and I should be satisfied because I've found a lot! :D |
| 03:48.43 | elise-- | Oh OK |
| 03:48.44 | engla | Delf: some removable drives can be added there if they need special options I guess |
| 03:48.51 | Blue1 | Delf: right, but if you muck up fstab, your system can be ubootable |
| 03:48.55 | Delf | engla: I have no removable drives |
| 03:49.22 | Delf | Blue1: if I do that then I've shat myself. |
| 03:49.39 | Blue1 | Delf: http://pkill-9.com/recovering-after-hosing-etcfstab/ |
| 03:49.54 | elise-- | Just boot in the recovery CD |
| 03:49.55 | engla | all you need is some kernel parameters to specify the root? |
| 03:50.51 | elise-- | What's the difference between slackware and debian? |
| 03:51.02 | lstarnes | elise--: they're entirely different distributions |
| 03:51.31 | elise-- | That tells.me nothing thanks |
| 03:51.56 | somiaj | elise--: the versions that get shiped the releases, release cycles and how the core and packages are managed. So mostly everything (just the general linux/GNU software is the same but versions are different) |
| 03:52.12 | lstarnes | the package management system is different |
| 03:52.17 | lstarnes | the init system is different |
| 03:52.27 | lstarnes | the available packages and their versions are different |
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| 03:52.46 | elise-- | So basically nothing |
| 03:52.48 | lstarnes | basically everything is different except that it uses the linux kernel with the basic GNU userland |
| 03:52.51 | karlpinc | elise--: And the approach is entirely different. |
| 03:52.51 | lstarnes | no, everything |
| 03:53.12 | lstarnes | package management is one of the things that really makes distributions different |
| 03:53.13 | Delf | lol.. we all seem to have our own defintions of everything and nothing |
| 03:53.14 | karlpinc | elise--: You want some basic info on debian? |
| 03:53.19 | Blue1 | debian makes you install every blessed thing |
| 03:53.23 | elise-- | But all that is interchangeable |
| 03:53.36 | lstarnes | well not quite |
| 03:53.43 | Blue1 | i had to install screen today....sheesh |
| 03:53.47 | karlpinc | Blue1: Are you kidding? I can run debian in about 500Mb of disk. |
| 03:53.55 | lstarnes | init scripts on debian won't work right on slackware, slackware packages won't work with apt |
| 03:53.58 | lstarnes | etc. |
| 03:54.10 | Blue1 | karlpinc: sure, but I have never seen any system that didn't have java |
| 03:54.15 | elise-- | Yeah |
| 03:54.21 | karlpinc | Blue1: I have no java. |
| 03:54.33 | karlpinc | !tell Blue1 about why recommends |
| 03:54.45 | elise-- | I meant what's inside the packages is interchangeable |
| 03:54.49 | Blue1 | it's all there to install, but I am constantly apt-getting things I feel I shouldnt |
| 03:54.56 | karlpinc | !tell elise-- about introduction |
| 03:55.08 | karlpinc | !tell elise-- about stable |
| 03:55.17 | karlpinc | !tell elise-- about overview |
| 03:55.49 | karlpinc | elise--: You might also want to "/msg dpkg grounding" and go from there to query the bot. |
| 03:55.51 | Blue1 | karlpinc: stock installs should have some things installed by default... |
| 03:55.56 | engla | Blue1: you can disable installing recommends |
| 03:56.14 | Blue1 | engla: I didn't I took all the defaults. |
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| 03:56.36 | karlpinc | Blue1: Depends on what you want to do with the box. |
| 03:56.52 | Blue1 | karlpinc: desktop environ |
| 03:57.32 | Blue1 | i think I wrote an article on that.....hang on |
| 03:57.41 | karlpinc | Blue1: And, there's a couple of java's out there, some work better than others. Would you have the default java be the free one that perhaps is not what's expected, because debian focuses on free (as in libre)? |
| 03:58.16 | Blue1 | karlpinc: http://pkill-9.com/mini-guide-converting-ubuntu-debian/ |
| 03:58.25 | elise-- | Thanks |
| 03:58.46 | Blue1 | karlpinc: yeah but some commands you just expect to be there. |
| 03:58.56 | elise-- | I heard debian is the base for android |
| 03:59.12 | Blue1 | elise--: who knows? |
| 03:59.25 | Blue1 | debian is the daddy for ubuntu |
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| 04:00.00 | elise-- | I've read about android dev |
| 04:00.07 | Blue1 | i didn't like where ubuntu is going with unity, et al, so I am slowly converting to debian |
| 04:00.12 | elise-- | Dalvik etc |
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| 04:00.32 | elise-- | What's unity |
| 04:00.56 | Blue1 | unity is the gui that ubuntu use's |
| 04:01.15 | Blue1 | instead of using gdm, iirc they are using lightdm |
| 04:01.39 | karlpinc | !tell Blue1 about hard to use |
| 04:01.47 | elise-- | Oh |
| 04:02.03 | elise-- | I like win7 GUI |
| 04:02.04 | Blue1 | karlpinc: want to discuss re-branded software? |
| 04:02.19 | karlpinc | Blue1: Sure, on #debian-offtopic. |
| 04:02.28 | Blue1 | k meet u there |
| 04:02.28 | elise-- | That's why my laptop has win7 on it |
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| 04:16.37 | karlpinc | elise--: If you like bling there's lots to be had. People say gnome3 is better than win7. I'm uninterested. (And gnome 3 is only in testing, which occasionally breaks. Some folks don't care. See the <sns> factoid.) |
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| 04:21.43 | karlpinc | Blue1: For a basic openvpn config see: http://paste.debian.net/156785/ Aside from those use the default config file supplied. After that it's all about setting up the ca and the keys. Use easy-rsa 2. |
| 04:22.00 | Blue1 | omw |
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| 04:23.58 | karlpinc | Blue1: What part is confusing? |
| 04:25.50 | Blue1 | karlpinc: i am assuming it does ssh authentication. but how does it know to give me a vpn, rather then an ssh? iow what makes it give me a local ip? how do I configure that? |
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| 04:26.15 | karlpinc | Blue1: No, it does ssl over udp. |
| 04:26.32 | Blue1 | karlpinc: okay that solves one mystery |
| 04:27.19 | Blue1 | so the key exchange is what lets it know to issue me a local lan ip? |
| 04:27.53 | Blue1 | iow the protocol.....I don't understand and that's part and parcel to making it work. |
| 04:28.42 | karlpinc | Blue1: Usually on the server side I find it easiest to have a client-config-dir with files named by the cert names that the clients have. Then you put iroute 172.16.6.4 255.255.255.252 and ifconfig-push 172.16.6.6 172.16.6.5 like lines in each client's file. |
| 04:29.23 | karlpinc | Blue1: The whole thing is pretty symmetric, but you choose one side to be the server and push routes/ips to the clients --if you like. |
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| 04:30.01 | karlpinc | Blue1: Alternately everything can be just assigned a static ip and each side can setup it's own route, but that decentralizes the configuation and it's easier to administer everything from the "server". |
| 04:30.16 | Blue1 | wait I am still digesting the first post |
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| 04:30.32 | karlpinc | Blue1: Pretty much like setting up a regular lan, use dhcp or use static ips. |
| 04:31.25 | Blue1 | yeah static ip is what I want -- |
| 04:32.00 | karlpinc | Blue1: The tricky-ish part is the if you're working with MS anywhere in the picture you need to use /30 networks over the vpn instead of just point-to-point, so that sucks IPs but it does not really matter. |
| 04:32.22 | karlpinc | Blue1: Either way the IPs can be fixed to machines, the only question is where you have to login to change the IP assignment. |
| 04:33.30 | Blue1 | karlpinc: i woujld be the only one so not an issue |
| 04:33.32 | karlpinc | Blue1: When the "server" does the assignment think about it handing out ips based on client certificate common-name instead of on mac address. That's what the client-config-dir does for you. |
| 04:34.00 | sje55 | Yeah, so I wanted to install vlc 2 and someone on reddit suggested that I add teh unstable repositories. So I added it into sources.list, then sudo apt-get update and then sudo apt-get install vlc. What happened is that it downloaded 262MB worth of dependencies including stuff it really *didn't* need to install like rhymtmbox and I think probably every program on my computer. Everything. And when I rebooted my computer, it just stopped |
| 04:34.08 | sje55 | So how do I fix this? |
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| 04:34.11 | karlpinc | Blue1: openvpn is good for punching out of firewalls/rfc1918 networks. |
| 04:34.35 | karlpinc | sje55: Restore a backup would be the sane way. |
| 04:34.46 | sje55 | I have no backup. Next. |
| 04:34.53 | vbrummond | sje55: oh dear.. you didnt actually "do the upgrade" right? |
| 04:35.03 | sje55 | what upgrade thing? |
| 04:35.09 | Blue1 | sje55: owch |
| 04:35.11 | vbrummond | the install of vlc from unstable |
| 04:35.13 | karlpinc | sje55: Find someone here who _really_ knows what they are doing. Or just backup your files and re-install. |
| 04:35.21 | karlpinc | !tell sje55 about downgrade |
| 04:35.24 | sje55 | all my personal files are safe |
| 04:35.35 | Blue1 | sje55: what karlpinc said. |
| 04:35.36 | vbrummond | i suggest karlpinc's course of action; reinstall |
| 04:35.58 | Blue1 | yes, sometimes the way forward is to go back. |
| 04:36.09 | sje55 | How did this happen? All I did was sudo apt-get install vlc |
| 04:36.24 | Blue1 | sje55: boot off a livecd backup /etc/ and /home/ and then re-install |
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| 04:37.05 | Blue1 | sje55: i think you poisoned the system with the unstable repo. |
| 04:37.11 | sje55 | How? |
| 04:37.15 | sje55 | Why did it reinstall everything? |
| 04:37.47 | Blue1 | my guess is the unstable repo had later version of everything installed, and so it proceeded to upgrade |
| 04:37.48 | karlpinc | sje55: By telling apt that all-newer versions were available, but they are versions that are part of sid, which is used for development. |
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| 04:37.56 | vbrummond | sje55: because the unstable repository is a complete system with much newer software than debian; it is not just a "backports" repository |
| 04:38.10 | karlpinc | !tell sje55 about overview |
| 04:38.12 | vbrummond | debian stable* |
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| 04:38.33 | karlpinc | sje55: above is the right way to get more stuff onto debian stable, or ask here. |
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| 04:39.05 | Blue1 | i install somethings off of the ubuntu repo - but I get that off a ubuntu system -- I never poison my system. |
| 04:39.08 | sje55 | but why would sudo apt-get install vlc reinstall ALL of themn? |
| 04:39.23 | vbrummond | sje55: i just explained! |
| 04:39.24 | Blue1 | dependencies |
| 04:39.28 | Blue1 | explained already |
| 04:39.37 | sje55 | how is rhhytmbox a dependency of vlc? |
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| 04:40.06 | vbrummond | no, libwhatever is a dependency of rhythmbox, and gstreamer and etc and upgrading one of the libs upgrades every package that relies on it |
| 04:40.24 | aussa | hi, wicd is failing to connect to wep networks... I'm trying this: http://tolearnfree.blogspot.com/2009/12/how-to-connect-on-open-wep-wlan-via.html with no results, Do I have to disable wicd to make it work? is there other way to do it? |
| 04:40.24 | Blue1 | when I installed kontact it hauled in about 75% of kde - there was no way of avoiding that., |
| 04:40.29 | vbrummond | its like installing windows media player 11 or whatever on windows me it just wont work without installing all of windows 7 |
| 04:40.49 | Blue1 | yup |
| 04:41.11 | Blue1 | been there, done that |
| 04:41.12 | engla | sje55: say rhythmbox and vlc both depend on the same functionality.. If you install new vlc, it will bump the requirement of the dependency, and so co-dependents have to upgrade too |
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| 04:41.22 | sje55 | alright, understood |
| 04:41.35 | Blue1 | sje55: :-( |
| 04:41.35 | sje55 | so pretty much the most logical thing to do here is reinstall the entire system? |
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| 04:41.51 | sje55 | is going to swear at the guy who told him to do this |
| 04:42.02 | Blue1 | sje55: backup /etc/ and /home/ then re-install -- you might nieed to boot of a live cd to do that. |
| 04:42.45 | sje55 | I figured that was going to happen >.< |
| 04:42.55 | Blue1 | sje55: I have been where you are at. unfortunately part of the learning process. |
| 04:43.32 | Blue1 | but you don;'t have to fix it today. rest first, then attack when you are fresh |
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| 04:43.51 | spersaud | what would be the best way to copy the contents on my hd to a ssd that I just bought ? |
| 04:43.56 | Blue1 | raises up the hand of experience |
| 04:43.59 | spersaud | its a separate /home partition |
| 04:44.12 | cafuego_ | spersaud: rsync |
| 04:44.12 | Blue1 | spersaud: dd? |
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| 04:44.22 | spersaud | cafuego_: rsync ? |
| 04:44.23 | Blue1 | or rsync |
| 04:44.28 | Blue1 | yes I have scripts hang on |
| 04:44.34 | cafuego_ | scripts? |
| 04:44.37 | cafuego_ | rsync -a |
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| 04:45.02 | Blue1 | spersaud: http://pkill-9.com/simple-rsync-backuprestore-bash-scripts-for-ubuntudebian/ |
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| 04:46.00 | spersaud | my / partition is a ssd 30gig .. Im wondering if I should create ldap |
| 04:46.15 | spersaud | I just bought a 64 gig .. |
| 04:46.16 | sje55 | I may rsync to backup all my stuff. I had my files saved from a few months ago but I obviously have new stuff. This is safe to do, right? |
| 04:46.20 | cafuego_ | what does ldap have to do with anything? |
| 04:46.30 | Blue1 | someone needs to invent a transparent cat |
| 04:47.15 | Blue1 | sje55: follow the recipe I gave -- no damage to existing files. |
| 04:48.05 | aussa | hi, wicd is failing to connect to wep networks... I'm trying this: http://tolearnfree.blogspot.com/2009/12/how-to-connect-on-open-wep-wlan-via.html with no results, Do I have to disable wicd to make it work? is there other way to do it? |
| 04:48.17 | Blue1 | sje55: just an fyi - there is a grsync if you want to use a gui. |
| 04:49.12 | spersaud | Blue1: should I setup raid ? .. |
| 04:49.45 | Blue1 | spersaud: dunno I am not a raid expert - I backup to a usb drive. |
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| 04:50.20 | Blue1 | aussa: sorry I am not an expert on wep systems. |
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| 04:53.48 | spersaud | lol it so happens I have an old 80 gig .. to test this out on sweet |
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| 04:55.31 | sje55 | Blue1: I worked with rsync a little. I think I'm alright. |
| 04:55.44 | sje55 | Before I reinstall, is there a way I can get a list of all packages installed? |
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| 04:56.30 | spersaud | seems I will want to sync the entire /home partition :) |
| 04:56.44 | aussa | sje55: dpkg -l ? |
| 04:57.17 | Blue1 | sje55: dpkg -l |
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| 04:57.44 | Blue1 | spersaud: yeah that is an overnight activity |
| 04:59.37 | spersaud | Blue1: I only have 22gb .. some large debian dvds :) |
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| 05:00.28 | bantamug | What's the preferred desktop search app on debian? (i.e. the thing most like Spotlight on a Mac) |
| 05:00.40 | spersaud | I'm setting up striping with raid .. this should be good :) |
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| 05:00.51 | spersaud | but can you do that with 30gb and 64gb drive ? |
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| 05:03.13 | spersaud | will just use separate drives .. screw raid 0 |
| 05:03.26 | erujolc | scripting a setup script for new servers, my provider provisions them with apache2 (and packages utils, commons, bin etc), i want to remove them as follows aptitude remove apache2* |
| 05:03.40 | erujolc | but it seems aptitude doesnt accept regex and I have to explicitly pass the package name |
| 05:05.32 | spersaud | I should do that as root correct ? |
| 05:05.38 | erujolc | hmmm it seems apt-get accepts a regex, aptitude doesnt |
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| 05:06.49 | LtL | spersaud: search and show does not require root, only install |
| 05:07.12 | spersaud | LtL: ? |
| 05:07.19 | LtL | spersaud: nevermind, mis-read that |
| 05:07.22 | spersaud | LtL: /home contents can change ... if you are not root |
| 05:07.32 | spersaud | oh |
| 05:07.34 | spersaud | hehe |
| 05:07.39 | LtL | sorry |
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| 05:09.40 | sje55 | How do I mount my external harddrive without a file browser? |
| 05:10.01 | sje55 | it's supposed to be sda1 but it doesnt appear to be, and it doesnt seem to appear when I do df |
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| 05:11.28 | LtL | sje55: sda1 is your first hdd, 1st partition. |
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| 05:11.54 | sje55 | How do I view all the different sdas? |
| 05:12.02 | sje55 | I dont even know what I'm supposed to mount |
| 05:12.07 | spersaud | interesting results http://pastebin.com/kTcnkFUB |
| 05:12.21 | LtL | sje55: view dmesg when you plug the external drive in |
| 05:12.51 | sje55 | is that the "proper" way of doing it? |
| 05:13.41 | LtL | sje55: it's proper and harmless, it will tell what the kernel recognizes it as. |
| 05:14.34 | sje55 | LtL: I type in dmesg? |
| 05:14.37 | LtL | sje55: you'll still need to mount it then |
| 05:14.44 | sje55 | That's what I'm trying to do! |
| 05:15.22 | LtL | sje55: well dmesg may tell you what you need to mount |
| 05:15.43 | sje55 | it's not telling me crap |
| 05:15.49 | sje55 | there's no sda? |
| 05:16.04 | sje55 | there's an sdc. Is that it? |
| 05:16.20 | LtL | sje55: possible |
| 05:16.33 | sje55 | well tell me how do I do this? |
| 05:16.38 | jarray52 | I'm trying to PXEBoot Debian using an OpenBSD server. However, pxelinux.cfg/default cannot find the linux kernel. http://dpaste.com/705028/ Any suggestions? |
| 05:16.39 | sje55 | I never understood mounting |
| 05:18.10 | sje55 | Well I assumed it was sdc but when I mounted sdc it says "you must specify the filesystem type" |
| 05:18.17 | sje55 | Honestly, I don't know how to do this, LtL |
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| 05:18.53 | jarray52 | sje55: type ls /dev/sdc<tab> |
| 05:19.13 | LtL | sje55: install usbmount, that might work, it would be the easy way |
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| 05:19.22 | sje55 | there's sdc and sdc1 |
| 05:19.41 | sje55 | LtL: How do you propose I do that with no internet access and no ability to mount things? |
| 05:19.49 | jarray52 | mount /dev/sdc1 /your/mount/dir |
| 05:19.58 | LtL | sje55: I didn't know that. |
| 05:20.28 | sje55 | LtL: alright, sorry |
| 05:20.33 | sje55 | this is just really annoying me :U |
| 05:20.37 | jarray52 | sje55: Does that work? |
| 05:20.39 | sje55 | jarray52: thanks, that helped |
| 05:20.44 | sje55 | How did you know it was sdc1? |
| 05:21.49 | jarray52 | Because /dev/sdc<tab> listed sdc and sdc1. That told me the file system wasn't NTFS. If USB drive, I'm guessing it is ext2. |
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| 05:22.16 | jarray52 | maybe it's fat32 that only lists sdc... |
| 05:22.52 | jarray52 | Anyways, I knew through experience. Went through the same frustration you went through. Good thing about frustration is that you won't forget. |
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| 05:33.52 | media | has anybody here experienced high (100%) cpu usage running XBMC? I'm on a fresh install, xbmc installed from the multimedia repos |
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| 05:41.00 | SerajewelKS | both files have a magic number in the header that translates to ASCII "FGIB" |
| 05:41.21 | SerajewelKS | and google knows nothing about it... i don't suppose someone here might know? |
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| 06:34.02 | alnr | i've lost /etc/apt/sources.list, how do i reconstruct it to match my system. /etc/debian_version says wheezy/sid fwiw |
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| 06:34.51 | vbrummond | alnr: well is it wheezy or sid? |
| 06:35.13 | alnr | vbrummond: i do not know |
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| 06:37.09 | dmbaturin | axisys: There's no procedure to enable it, interfaces appear automatically when a USB device is detected. However you may need to load a kernel module to enable support for a particular device. |
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| 06:37.58 | axisys | dmbaturin: which module do I enable? I tried cdc_driver and cdc_eem .. still ifconfig -a shows no usb device |
| 06:38.10 | axisys | it is connected to my toshiba thrive android |
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| 06:38.29 | axisys | [403358.980300] usb 2-5: new high speed USB device number 17 using ehci_hcd |
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| 08:03.25 | mahdy | i have a debian vps with a dedicate ip address and i have a domain like example.com , i want to configure bind9 for ns1.example.com and ns2.example.com , i configure glue record in my domain name panel , but i dont know how to configure bind9 exactly , can anybody help me ? |
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| 08:04.28 | kripz | how do i get a id rather than /dev/sd* of a whole empty disk? |
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| 08:04.35 | dmbaturin | mahdy: Sure. http://www.bind9.net/manuals helps a lot. |
| 08:05.26 | dmbaturin | kripz: What kind of id? |
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| 08:05.50 | kripz | dmbaturin, something i can use for creating a zfs volume. i want to use whole disks |
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| 08:07.34 | dmbaturin | kripz: Ah. hdparm -i /dev/sd* |
| 08:08.10 | mahdy | dmbaturin: thank you , but this is very long and complicated for me , can you help me for finding related manual ? which section in this manual exactly related to my problem ? |
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| 08:08.59 | dmbaturin | mahdy: It worth to read the whole book, honestly. |
| 08:09.02 | somiaj | kripz: ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid/ |
| 08:09.16 | dmbaturin | Anyway, if you want the very basic authoritative setup, http://www.bind9.net/manual/bind/9.3.2/Bv9ARM.ch03.html#id2547350 |
| 08:09.35 | kripz | somiaj, that only lists /dev/md0. none of my drives appear |
| 08:09.45 | media | I've installed xbmc from the debian-multimedia repos, and it's idling at 100% CPU. has anybody here had this problem? |
| 08:10.07 | somiaj | kripz: so none of your drives are showing up? Have you checked dmesg? |
| 08:10.08 | mahdy | dmbaturin: thank you :) |
| 08:11.34 | kripz | i might just set up persistant udev rules |
| 08:11.38 | dmbaturin | kripz: Try 'blkid -o list'. |
| 08:12.03 | kripz | dmbaturin, only lists 2 drives. all drives behind my rocketraid card dont appear |
| 08:12.18 | kripz | or perhaps only lists drives with partitions |
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| 08:14.50 | dmbaturin | kripz: This brings up the question do the whole disks have UUIDs. |
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| 08:18.22 | dmbaturin | Probably the point UUID is assigned is partition/volume creation. |
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| 08:20.56 | somiaj | uuid's are assigned to partitions, probabaly when they are created |
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| 08:23.54 | waldvogel | hi, i'm on sid trying to use cryptsetup luksFormat on a gpt partition. it looks like it doesn't do anything. luksOpen says it's not a valid LUKS partition. am I missing some module or something? |
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| 08:30.47 | LordBrain | hey, I don't have the hibernate button in my gnome shutdown menu. How do i install it? |
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| 08:31.18 | LordBrain | i saw on the web that lenny used a powerdev group, but squeeze does not |
| 08:31.34 | LordBrain | does squeeze do something else instead? |
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| 08:32.33 | sohum | why has compiz-gnome disappeared from testing and unstable? |
| 08:33.01 | sohum | alternatively: where could I go to find that out for myself? |
| 08:33.05 | gnarface | guessing quality control issues |
| 08:33.17 | gnarface | sohum: there's some mailing list i'm certain |
| 08:33.32 | sohum | ...on which note, I should have tried google :P |
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| 08:36.37 | sohum | it _seems_ to be http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.org/msg982672.html but I can't quite process it |
| 08:38.12 | gnarface | sohum: looks to me like its abandoned and broken |
| 08:39.08 | sohum | gnarface: yea. well, *removed* :P |
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| 08:39.24 | ntsasng | hi all |
| 08:39.48 | ntsasng | IU'm using iceweasel 3.5 |
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| 08:40.08 | ntsasng | now I want upgrade iceweasel 10.0 |
| 08:40.14 | ntsasng | How I can do it? |
| 08:40.24 | ntsasng | What command line? |
| 08:40.35 | sohum | ntsasng: well, 9.0 is in testing and 10.0 is in unstable |
| 08:40.41 | ntsasng | Ok |
| 08:41.04 | ntsasng | sohum: Are know that command? |
| 08:41.08 | sohum | though... if you're running a mostly-stable system, I think you should be using backports instead |
| 08:41.09 | LordBrain | how do i get my hibernate button in gnome? |
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| 08:41.35 | LordBrain | ntsasng: amd64 or i386? |
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| 08:41.43 | ntsasng | amd64 |
| 08:42.01 | ntsasng | LordBrain: Debian LXDE amd64 |
| 08:42.07 | ntsasng | Squeeze 6.0.2 |
| 08:42.52 | LordBrain | i dont know about iceweasel, but i think firefox doesnt have a 10.0 version for 64 bit... at least not a few days ago... |
| 08:42.58 | ntsasng | LordBrain: I have repo |
| 08:42.59 | ntsasng | deb http://backports.debian.org/debian-backports squeeze-backports main |
| 08:42.59 | ntsasng | deb http://mozilla.debian.net/ squeeze-backports iceweasel-release |
| 08:43.11 | sohum | though... that's... odd. squeeze-backports does not appear to have iceweasel at all |
| 08:43.25 | ntsasng | I have reinstall Debian |
| 08:43.44 | sohum | oh, you're using the mozilla packages? |
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| 08:44.01 | ntsasng | before I used iceweasel 10 |
| 08:44.02 | ntsasng | :) |
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| 08:44.55 | sohum | ntsasng: you may want to read http://mozilla.debian.net/ |
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| 08:45.46 | ntsasng | sohum: Thankz |
| 08:46.14 | sohum | LordBrain: iceweasel 10.0.2-1 for amd64 is in testing |
| 08:46.34 | ntsasng | Testing but it stable |
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| 08:46.44 | ntsasng | I'm tested |
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| 08:56.41 | TheWizardOfDB | hope he wasn't tested positive |
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| 08:57.04 | sh2w | hy |
| 08:57.17 | sh2w | I have a list of debian package(above 4000) and want to download with download manager in windows sys. But has been download some of this packages since ago. |
| 08:57.23 | sh2w | There are any way to delete this package from download list and try to download other link. |
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| 08:57.53 | dmbaturin | sh2w: Did you try rsync? |
| 08:58.31 | sh2w | no "i download with idm in windows xp" |
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| 08:59.05 | sh2w | rsync work in linux |
| 08:59.34 | sh2w | ithink rsync need have server permision ? |
| 08:59.50 | dmbaturin | Not really, there is a windows rsync implementation. |
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| 09:00.06 | sh2w | oh!! |
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| 09:05.03 | sh2w | ok ,there are any way for download "debian unstable" with rsync , |
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| 09:07.18 | dmbaturin | sh2w: http://www.debian.org/mirror/ftpmirror |
| 09:07.31 | sh2w | thx |
| 09:07.43 | dmbaturin | Why in von Neuman's sake you want thousands of debian packages on windows though? |
| 09:11.08 | sh2w | i dont have access to internet from linux in my pc |
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| 09:11.33 | dmbaturin | sh2w: Did you try setting up a router? |
| 09:11.47 | dmbaturin | You can use your linux machine as a router, by the way. |
| 09:12.32 | sh2w | please get me some information about router |
| 09:12.57 | sh2w | my pc have xp/debian in same machine |
| 09:13.00 | dmbaturin | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Router_%28computing%29 |
| 09:13.18 | dmbaturin | So you have trouble with internet access configuration in debian? |
| 09:13.25 | sh2w | my modem not supported in linux |
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| 09:13.53 | dmbaturin | What modem do you have? |
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| 09:14.16 | sh2w | i try to upgarde form lenny2squeeze |
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| 09:15.03 | dmbaturin | sh2w: Anyway, what is your modem model name? |
| 09:15.09 | sh2w | my modem damaged with ac electric and this time connect only in xp to internet |
| 09:15.41 | dmbaturin | This is more of a reason to replace the modem. |
| 09:16.11 | sh2w | i know |
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| 09:16.41 | sh2w | i want to buy a new modem but thise time need upgrade |
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| 09:19.57 | sh2w | <dmbaturin> i can't use router because my pc only run xp or debbian at this time |
| 09:21.55 | dmbaturin | "I can't drink beer because I write in Perl". |
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| 09:23.48 | sh2w | any way to delete downloaded file from list in bash |
| 09:23.59 | sh2w | script |
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| 09:24.55 | waldvogel | repeat: i'm on sid trying to use cryptsetup luksFormat on a gpt partition. it looks like it doesn't do anything. luksOpen says it's not a valid LUKS partition. am I missing some module or something? |
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| 09:25.54 | dmbaturin | sh2w: With a text editor? |
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| 09:26.08 | sh2w | ok |
| 09:26.11 | waldvogel | hmm, i also wonder why it's not even prompting for a pw |
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| 09:26.23 | sh2w | thx |
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| 09:28.01 | nsadmin | if it doesnt think its encrypted why would it |
| 09:28.39 | waldvogel | ah crap, need to enter yes in UPPERCASE |
| 09:28.48 | waldvogel | sucks |
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| 09:29.27 | dmbaturin | waldvogel: It's ok, the only thing that never sucks at all is microsoft vacuum cleaner. |
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| 09:29.59 | nsadmin | using sid for real work,,,, backup much?\ |
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| 09:30.18 | waldvogel | nsadmin: i like living on the edge :) |
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| 09:30.24 | simonlnu | … |
| 09:30.46 | simonlnu | give nsadmin an … |
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| 09:31.24 | waldvogel | nsadmin: actually i couldn't get squeeze to boot on the macbook i have here |
| 09:31.25 | dmbaturin | simonlnu: Do you have more …? I also want to have one! |
| 09:31.26 | sh2w | ? |
| 09:31.37 | simonlnu | give dmbaturin an … |
| 09:31.41 | simonlnu | gives* |
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| 09:31.52 | dmbaturin | waldvogel: Weird. Squeeze runs perfectly on my 6.2. |
| 09:31.52 | simonlnu | dumb typo |
| 09:32.10 | waldvogel | dmbaturin: it's a 5.1 |
| 09:32.23 | simonlnu | fyi, it's <Compose key> . . |
| 09:32.40 | dmbaturin | simonlnu: Yeah, that's what I used to type it. :) |
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| 09:33.03 | sh2w | please help me!!!!!! |
| 09:33.04 | nsadmin | so that I can underscore how peop[e running sid are declaring (to here anyway) that you're at a fairly high sckll level? |
| 09:33.06 | dmbaturin | waldvogel: 5.1 was also reported to work AFAIR. |
| 09:33.06 | simonlnu | :) |
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| 09:33.16 | simonlnu | sh2w: man rm |
| 09:33.40 | meskarune | running sid isn't that hard |
| 09:33.47 | meskarune | you just install and keep the system updated |
| 09:33.48 | meskarune | :/ |
| 09:34.10 | nsadmin | and running into problems is even easier than that :) |
| 09:34.20 | simonlnu | nsadmin++ |
| 09:34.23 | meskarune | not if you know what you are doing |
| 09:34.32 | waldvogel | dmbaturin: maybe, not sure what it was. the first error was solved with nomodeset, the second was rather cryptic |
| 09:34.36 | nsadmin | you just remade my point :) |
| 09:34.46 | nsadmin | so |
| 09:34.49 | nsadmin | thank you |
| 09:34.49 | simonlnu | we assume one knows what they're doing when people run sid. |
| 09:34.51 | meskarune | even so, its not hard to do |
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| 09:34.55 | dmbaturin | Running Sid is effectively no different from running Fedora. |
| 09:35.17 | waldvogel | sid is great... IMO |
| 09:35.21 | meskarune | or install linux mint debian ed |
| 09:35.33 | simonlnu | refrains from making dumb jokes about other distros that are counter-productive |
| 09:35.42 | meskarune | I use arch linux as my main |
| 09:35.52 | simonlnu | linux mint debian edition is not sid nor debian |
| 09:36.01 | meskarune | but like, the distro someone uses does not mean they are dumber or smarter |
| 09:36.40 | dmbaturin | simonlnu: I don't think that was really a joke. Fedora is RHEL Testing, just like Sid. |
| 09:36.41 | nsadmin | I don't disagree... and it seems you don't either... and, sid is a moving target... stable is not, and testing moves slower |
| 09:37.18 | meskarune | I just like rolling release distrobutions |
| 09:37.32 | meskarune | better support for new hardware |
| 09:37.35 | nsadmin | sid isn'[t rhel testing :) and not debian testing either :) |
| 09:37.53 | meskarune | which is why I use arch linux |
| 09:38.15 | nsadmin | how often do you buy new hardware? |
| 09:38.28 | simonlnu | dmbaturin: that wasn't the joke either |
| 09:38.37 | meskarune | about every 4 years or so |
| 09:38.44 | simonlnu | was the joke >> "actually better, it works" |
| 09:38.48 | meskarune | but I also have some essoteric periferals |
| 09:39.19 | nsadmin | do you write drivers? |
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| 09:39.34 | meskarune | most companies release linux drivers now |
| 09:39.45 | meskarune | so you can just compile them |
| 09:39.51 | meskarune | its the android phenomina |
| 09:40.05 | dmbaturin | meskarune: What kind of esoteric peripherals do you use? |
| 09:40.16 | valdyn | !ot |
| 09:40.16 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
| 09:40.17 | nsadmin | I don't have an android phenomina |
| 09:40.23 | simonlnu | gives meskarune a spell checker |
| 09:40.25 | nsadmin | I have a lg optimus! |
| 09:40.54 | meskarune | simonlnu: I'm a lost cause. puerto rican who grew up in mississippi |
| 09:41.04 | nsadmin | the spell checker says: "yer healing spel didn't werk" |
| 09:41.35 | nsadmin | holy shit, what was that like? |
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| 09:42.29 | meskarune | dmbaturin: I use film printers and wacom tablets for graphic design type things :) |
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| 09:43.02 | meskarune | nsadmin: what was it like living in mississippi? |
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| 09:44.00 | nsadmin | yeah... but hold that thought a moment, running really short errands... then will join #debian-offtopic |
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| 09:45.47 | ompaul | andrewwest: you might consider getting your password in the right place as you log on, it would then cloak you without this "changing hosts" your password can be passed to "server" |
| 09:46.26 | simonlnu | uses sasl for that |
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| 09:49.47 | file-exists-p | hi all |
| 09:49.57 | nsadmin | NIL |
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| 09:50.39 | file-exists-p | there is something I am not sure to understand in how to maintain a package. when a new version of a soft is availble, the package maintener manualy re-use the debian-specific files for the new version ? |
| 09:50.55 | file-exists-p | or there are some automatic procedures? or is it in-between, each one does how he feels it? |
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| 09:51.58 | nsadmin | you could do it manually... and, you can build an autobuilder |
| 09:52.09 | nsadmin | like there is for perl modules |
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| 09:52.38 | file-exists-p | so when X maintain the package for soft Z, when Z 1.2 is out, the maintener manually de-archive Z.1.2.tgz, copies there the files from Z.1.0/debian and such ? |
| 09:52.55 | sje46_ | Hello, I just reinstalled debian and I'm having issues with my windows partition. I cannot seem to be able to change owners of files on it |
| 09:53.23 | nsadmin | you don't have to do it that way,,,, it would seem to be easier to have the autobuilder just write out files |
| 09:53.23 | file-exists-p | sje: the owners on a FAT or NTFS partition are set at mount time no? |
| 09:53.45 | file-exists-p | nsadmin: autobuilder for the debian-related files? Do you have any pointer to a doc explaining? |
| 09:53.53 | sje46_ | I'm not sure, but I think I have fstab right? |
| 09:54.10 | nsadmin | right |
| 09:54.14 | streuner__ | !ntfsrw |
| 09:54.15 | dpkg | NTFS-3G is a userspace driver providing NTFS read and write support. "aptitude install ntfs-3g". Usage examples: http://www.tuxera.com/community/ntfs-3g-download/#usage . Also ask me about <user accessible ntfs>. |
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| 09:54.27 | file-exists-p | sje: yes option uid=truc,gid=blah |
| 09:54.46 | sje46_ | "truc" and "blah"? |
| 09:54.48 | nsadmin | file-exists-p, well the perl people did it for perl modules |
| 09:54.58 | file-exists-p | nsdamin: ok |
| 09:55.17 | file-exists-p | sje: the iud and gid |
| 09:55.20 | jelly-home | sje46_: those are placeholders, replace with actual values |
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| 09:55.35 | file-exists-p | sje if you want all files in that mounted volume to have owner truc and group blah |
| 09:55.41 | file-exists-p | sorry :) |
| 09:55.45 | sje46_ | Oh okay. Sorry |
| 09:55.46 | jelly-home | foo and bar might be used more often |
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| 09:55.50 | file-exists-p | I am french :/ |
| 09:56.22 | nsadmin | is that bad? |
| 09:56.31 | jelly-home | !metasyntactic variable |
| 09:56.32 | dpkg | somebody said metasyntactic variable was A name used in examples and understood to stand for whatever thing is under discussion, or any random member of a class of things under discussion. The word foo is the canonical example. To avoid confusion, hackers never (well, hardly ever) use `foo' or other words like it as permanent names for anything. |
| 09:56.34 | file-exists-p | not particularly |
| 09:56.44 | nsadmin | I was hoping not! |
| 09:56.58 | file-exists-p | nsadmin: I taught programming in the US once ... after one month a student came to me and asked "what do truc, chose, machine, and bidule mean?!" |
| 09:57.18 | nsadmin | uhoh :) |
| 09:57.26 | file-exists-p | variable names ... |
| 09:57.38 | nsadmin | once you expleained the situation to him, how did he do? |
| 09:57.46 | file-exists-p | better! |
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| 09:59.13 | nsadmin | those vars / varnames could be dealt with in recitation |
| 09:59.40 | nsadmin | it very definitely should be added to something |
| 10:00.00 | file-exists-p | I was teaching C++ *and* French! |
| 10:00.04 | valdyn | using french variable names in english code should be illegal |
| 10:00.13 | valdyn | ;) |
| 10:00.28 | jelly-home | metasyntactic variables differ between languages |
| 10:00.37 | file-exists-p | I also had a chinese student who had variable names such as little_mouse_running_in_the_light_of_the_moon |
| 10:00.59 | file-exists-p | and such |
| 10:01.18 | jelly-home | well that's probably two characters for him |
| 10:01.21 | ompaul | jelly-home: you need to stick to the code though, it is a matter of honour :) |
| 10:01.22 | file-exists-p | yes |
| 10:01.27 | file-exists-p | that did not help the debugging though |
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| 10:02.25 | file-exists-p | there is a standard policy to ask for packager for a soft ? I have this very simple soft (one .c one man page) |
| 10:02.39 | jelly-home | !RFP |
| 10:02.40 | dpkg | Request For Package (RFP) is the way to ask for a piece of software to be included in Debian. See http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp, the section on that page "Adding new entries with "reportbug"" is a good place to start. Technically, a RFP is a wishlist bug filed against "wnpp" with a title beginning "RFP: ", ask me about <wnpp>. |
| 10:02.41 | sje46_ | Alright, I'm having a *lot* of distinct issues with mounting. Okay, I've unmounted from my windows partition (sda2). ow when I try to remount it again it says this: http://pastebin.com/trznNAqa . I can do it i I have root permission. How do I make it so tha I do no need o be root to mount it? |
| 10:02.50 | file-exists-p | thx |
| 10:03.21 | sje46_ | Where is there a guide? |
| 10:03.48 | valdyn | !fstab |
| 10:03.49 | dpkg | well, fstab is a file that lets the `mount' command know what mountable things (partitions, drives, etc) are in your system. Try `man 5 fstab` for more information on it. See also <label>, <uuid>. |
| 10:04.00 | valdyn | sje46_: ^^ |
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| 10:04.36 | valdyn | sje46_: you can make it automatically mounted or you can use the "user" option to let everyone mount it |
| 10:05.02 | file-exists-p | jelly: do you know if I fill such a request, I will simply end up as the 29834th soft requiring package or it may probably happen? |
| 10:05.24 | sje46_ | valdyn: if its automatically mounted, will normal users be able to access it? |
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| 10:05.53 | valdyn | sje46_: theres no relation between who can mount something and who can access something |
| 10:06.02 | valdyn | sje46_: both is distinct and distinctly configured |
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| 10:08.39 | sje46_ | valdyn: but both user and auto are already set |
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| 10:09.12 | valdyn | sje46_: that means any user can mount or unmount it and that its mounted automatically on system startup |
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| 10:09.51 | sje46_ | Oh system startup? |
| 10:10.09 | valdyn | sje46_: hmm, not you should use "users" instead of "user" |
| 10:10.13 | sje46_ | Well I still cant mount it. |
| 10:10.25 | valdyn | sje46_: yes, what i said, sorry for that mistake |
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| 10:10.55 | jelly-home | file-exists-p: it's hard to say, probably depends on how well your app is known and used |
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| 10:11.02 | sje46_ | /dev/sda2 /media/windows ntfs auto,user,exec,rw,sync,uid=sean,gid$ |
| 10:11.31 | sje46_ | gid=sean 0 0 |
| 10:11.33 | jelly-home | file-exists-p: might be better if you packaged it yourself, /msg dpkg mentors |
| 10:12.17 | valdyn | sje46_: yes! use "users", not "user" in this context |
| 10:12.34 | sje46_ | valdyn: but it says "user" here: http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/fstab.html |
| 10:12.56 | valdyn | sje46_: i dont care what that link sais. Read the manpage to learn about the distinction. |
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| 10:13.49 | sje46_ | valdyn: "users" doesn't appear ont he man page. |
| 10:14.03 | valdyn | sje46_: doesnt appear in which manpage? |
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| 10:14.16 | sje46_ | man fstab |
| 10:14.25 | valdyn | sje46_: the manpage is "man mount" |
| 10:14.55 | sje46_ | This is a terrible system they designed |
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| 10:15.17 | valdyn | sje46_: man fstab is a developer manpage, thats easy to see, its about API, not your file that you're editing |
| 10:15.36 | sje46_ | That's nonsensical |
| 10:15.50 | valdyn | sje46_: why do you think its nonsensical? |
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| 10:16.13 | sje46_ | Because you're supposed to put "users" in fstab but it isn't in the fstab manpage. |
| 10:16.26 | sje46_ | And it's very similar to "user" which is very confusing. |
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| 10:16.28 | valdyn | sje46_: theres no manpage about the file fstab |
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| 10:16.55 | file-exists-p | sje: it does not make sense to put the information about the configuration file of command X in the man page of command X? |
| 10:16.56 | sje46_ | valdyn: well, that just makes it even more conusing, then |
| 10:17.11 | sje46_ | isnt there a section of the manual about /etc/ ? |
| 10:17.19 | valdyn | sje46_: nope |
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| 10:17.44 | file-exists-p | we moved from "how to mount a NTFS volume with a certain user" to "the all unix documentation is fucked" ? |
| 10:17.58 | file-exists-p | okay, time to go buy eggs to make pancakes then! :) |
| 10:18.00 | file-exists-p | cheers |
| 10:18.09 | sje46_ | I'm pretty sure it is |
| 10:18.17 | valdyn | sje46_: just so you know, Im reading manpages as we speak, I don't know this stuff before I look it up to tell to you, so it cant be that confusing |
| 10:18.18 | sje46_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:18.55 | sje46_ | Well all I'm saying is that it's quite confusing. |
| 10:19.06 | nsadmin | or "the all sentences that start with 'the all <plural noun>' are fucked!" |
| 10:19.10 | valdyn | sje46_: ok, get over it |
| 10:19.18 | sje46_ | I'm not sure why everytime I say something about linux is conusing someone tries to convince me that it isn't =/ |
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| 10:19.28 | sje46_ | Please don't be rude about it. |
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| 10:19.40 | valdyn | sje46_: its just offtopic |
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| 10:19.56 | sje46_ | You could've just said it was off-topic... |
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| 10:20.07 | sje46_ | Anyway, I still can't mount the filesystem without root |
| 10:20.23 | valdyn | sje46_: is the users option set? |
| 10:20.32 | sje46_ | Yes. |
| 10:20.39 | valdyn | sje46_: is it mounted right now? |
| 10:20.53 | sje46_ | No. |
| 10:20.59 | sje46_ | /dev/sda2 /media/windows ntfs auto,users,exec,rw,sync,uid=sean,gid=sean 0 0 |
| 10:21.27 | valdyn | sje46_: uid and gid should be numerical values |
| 10:21.32 | nsadmin | I think you need users for one reason and also user for a different reason |
| 10:21.39 | valdyn | nsadmin: nah |
| 10:22.17 | sje46_ | Do I need uid and gid there at all? I didn't when I configured this last time. |
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| 10:22.41 | valdyn | sje46_: you dont need this except to transfer ownership of the files on that filesystem |
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| 10:23.13 | sje46_ | Well all I really care about is playing music files on that partition for mpd. |
| 10:23.24 | valdyn | sje46_: so skip those 2 |
| 10:23.25 | sje46_ | I assumed that it was because I dont own those files |
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| 10:23.46 | valdyn | sje46_: owners get read permission, but you dont need to be owner to have read permission, duh |
| 10:24.18 | sje46_ | Well I wasn't the one who told myself to put those options there. I think you did. |
| 10:24.21 | valdyn | sje46_: you probably want a proper umask value instead, but lets fix the first issue first and the 2nd issue after that |
| 10:24.35 | valdyn | sje46_: NO i never said that about uid or gid |
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| 10:24.45 | sje46_ | shrugs |
| 10:25.00 | sje46_ | okay, so...how do I mount this thing without root? |
| 10:25.11 | sje46_ | should i get rid o those two options first? |
| 10:25.11 | valdyn | sje46_: have the users option there |
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| 10:25.21 | valdyn | sje46_: yes |
| 10:25.34 | sje46_ | Okay, did so |
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| 10:28.03 | valdyn | nsadmin: the user option lets only the mounter unmount. That's a problem for him when root is auto mounting ( the "auto" option in this line) |
| 10:28.32 | nsadmin | ohh |
| 10:28.40 | nsadmin | so users does not have that effect? |
| 10:28.50 | valdyn | nsadmin: right |
| 10:29.18 | valdyn | nsadmin: I just use "user" though, theres no necessity for users to unmount what is already automounted |
| 10:29.41 | nsadmin | so user A could mount it... if "user", user B cannot, if "users", user B can |
| 10:29.57 | valdyn | nsadmin: yes |
| 10:30.03 | nsadmin | and A and B can both be nonroot |
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| 10:30.46 | valdyn | nsadmin: err, user "A" can mount it, but user B cannot umount what he didnt mount himeself |
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| 10:31.04 | nsadmin | that's for user |
| 10:31.09 | valdyn | nsadmin: yes |
| 10:31.37 | nsadmin | and if neither, both A and B must be root |
| 10:32.26 | nsadmin | as has been the case from the beginning of localtime() |
| 10:33.36 | valdyn | nsadmin: theres also owner and group options to restrict mount permissions it seems |
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| 10:35.45 | nsadmin | valdyn, I was just about to ask about those... but then, how do you set what user has fat permission? |
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| 10:37.12 | valdyn | nsadmin: uid,guid,umask |
| 10:38.17 | alex- | My phone has an DLNA server to show pictures on the tv n stuff, is it possible that I install some kind of DLNA client on my debian server, which gets the data from my phone automaticly, and puts it dynamicly on a SAMBA share? |
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| 10:46.28 | valdyn | alex-: theres probably plenty, rygel is one |
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| 10:46.58 | ggoes | Is it normal for dhclient to keep polling for DHCP on eth0, despite the fact that I'm using wlan0 for my connection? |
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| 10:47.25 | alex- | valdyn: for CLI? |
| 10:47.26 | valdyn | ggoes: if you configured your system wrongly, sure |
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| 10:48.08 | alex- | I don't want to install DLNA on every device I have, I want it to use samba shares |
| 10:48.29 | valdyn | alex-: you want to WHAT? |
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| 10:49.31 | ggoes | valdyn: I made no change to its default configuration. Do you know what else might be causing it? |
| 10:49.43 | valdyn | ggoes: the default configuration |
| 10:49.52 | valdyn | ggoes: show us your /etc/network/interfaces file |
| 10:50.00 | alex- | valdyn: I want to show media from my phone on every pc. I thought it was the best idea to setup a DLNA client on my server, which gets the data from my phone (DLNA server), and then my server puts the data in a SAMBA share, so every pc in my network can view the data on my phone without installing something |
| 10:50.12 | valdyn | alex-: no, bad idea |
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| 10:50.25 | alex- | valdyn: why do you think so? |
| 10:50.32 | valdyn | alex-: "every pc" can have an i-tunes like program to play back dlna |
| 10:50.38 | quitte | hi. when printing from evince all i get is a single sheet of paper with an error: invalidaccess\ OFFENDING COMMAND:filter\STACK:\SubFileDecode\endstream\0\--nostringval--\--nostringval--\268\false |
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| 10:51.01 | quitte | any idea which part of the printing chain is at fault there? |
| 10:51.06 | ggoes | valdyn: iface lo inet loopback allow-hotplug eth0 |
| 10:51.06 | ggoes | iface eth0 inet dhcp |
| 10:51.49 | valdyn | alex-: theres no point in going through some elaborate scheme with samba, which does lend itself much worse to the intended application |
| 10:52.22 | valdyn | ggoes: there you see that eth0 is brought up automatically using dhcp |
| 10:52.32 | valdyn | ggoes: run "ifdown eth0" to stop it |
| 10:52.52 | alex- | valdyn: but DLNA is streaming, right? |
| 10:52.57 | valdyn | ggoes: remove it from the auto line to not start it automatically |
| 10:53.02 | valdyn | alex-: yes |
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| 10:53.26 | valdyn | alex-: its a media streaming service. Which is why media playback programs tend to support it. |
| 10:53.37 | alex- | Hmm |
| 10:53.46 | alex- | Shall I sync my phone pictures with a SAMBA share then? |
| 10:53.49 | alex- | instead of using DLNA? |
| 10:54.05 | valdyn | alex-: sure, you can do that |
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| 10:54.27 | alex- | valdyn: how? do I have to do this on the server or on my phone? |
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| 10:54.56 | valdyn | alex-: you copy the images to your samba share. I cant say how to operate your phone |
| 10:55.15 | alex- | valdyn: No, i Mean the best way is doing this at my phone ? |
| 10:55.17 | alex- | the configuration |
| 10:55.21 | ggoes | valdyn: Only lo is on the auto line. Should I remove "iface eth0 inet dhcp" ? Or replace it with wlan0? |
| 10:55.33 | valdyn | alex-: i dont know your phone! and phones are not debian |
| 10:55.54 | valdyn | ggoes: how to you operate your network? |
| 10:56.00 | valdyn | ggoes: how *do* you operate your network? |
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| 10:56.09 | ggoes | valdyn: A wireless connection on wlan0 |
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| 10:56.30 | valdyn | ggoes: no, that is your network. How do you manipulate it |
| 10:56.55 | valdyn | ggoes: do you run commands like ifup or ifdown, do you dance in circles to make it work? |
| 10:56.56 | ggoes | valdyn: It's handled through wicd. |
| 10:57.13 | valdyn | ggoes: wicd only deals with wireless? |
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| 10:58.02 | valdyn | ggoes: i dont really know wicd. As far as I can say from that point should should only remove eth0 from the auto line, nothing else |
| 10:58.26 | zgedneil | wow, so no discussion of wheezy not just on this channel but not even on freenode? |
| 10:58.46 | zgedneil | that's a whole new level of "take it to another group" :-) |
| 10:58.53 | valdyn | !debian-next |
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| 10:59.01 | valdyn | zgedneil: theres a channel for you |
| 10:59.07 | zgedneil | valdyn: read what I wrote |
| 11:00.38 | valdyn | zgedneil: answer is yes |
| 11:01.18 | zgedneil | I'm puzzled as to how that makes any sense though |
| 11:01.57 | valdyn | zgedneil: very easy, the average quality of questions degrades while the release goes up. This keeps the s/n ratio low. |
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| 11:02.38 | valdyn | ( ok, thats just my point, not the official rationale ) |
| 11:02.40 | zgedneil | I more meant there not being an equivalent on freenode |
| 11:02.43 | ntsasng | I'm using pidgin 2.7.3 |
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| 11:03.05 | ntsasng | My Pidgin can not send and receive files |
| 11:03.11 | valdyn | zgedneil: im sure that channel is not to crowded even if theres only one |
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| 11:03.30 | zgedneil | on the face of it testing is offtopic both for #debian and #debian-offtopic, which is quite an achievement |
| 11:03.31 | ntsasng | How cant i fix that? |
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| 11:03.58 | ntsasng | I tried build pidgin 2.10.1 |
| 11:04.07 | ntsasng | but not success :( |
| 11:04.10 | valdyn | ntsasng: its a multiprotocol client. Im sure the issue might not apply to all protocols the same |
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| 11:04.42 | zgedneil | well, I suppose I could ask generically if apt-get giving 404s for Package files is a bad thing...? |
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| 11:05.01 | valdyn | zgedneil: it is |
| 11:05.13 | zgedneil | hmm, I thought as much :-( |
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| 11:12.10 | project2501a | one more question: how on earth am i supposed to make a debian package/tarball out of a git repo? i mean, i cannot just tar the directory, it has the .git dir in it? |
| 11:12.16 | project2501a | or a .svn |
| 11:12.37 | project2501a | am i supposed to --exclude the .git|.svn ? |
| 11:12.52 | valdyn | project2501a: git already has a tarball feature |
| 11:13.18 | nsadmin | for a tarball, you can do anything you want |
| 11:13.27 | project2501a | i know that, but i am just not happy with using "magic". i would like to know the general, underlying strategy. |
| 11:13.35 | project2501a | it is driving me mad not knowing |
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| 11:16.21 | dmbaturin | project2501a: Why are you concerned about .git? |
| 11:17.02 | project2501a | dmbaturin: i don't think you are supposed to include it a tar ball you put on the web. or in an "professional looking package" |
| 11:17.41 | dmbaturin | Ah, you are not building a package. Ok, then just exclude it. |
| 11:18.01 | project2501a | thanks! |
| 11:18.29 | dmbaturin | But I'd build a package too. :) |
| 11:18.33 | project2501a | dmbaturin: so, what to do in the same case, when i *do* want to build a package and i am *not* using any of the helpers? |
| 11:18.46 | nsadmin | well even that depends... what if someone wants to update? |
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| 11:18.58 | project2501a | yeah! i want to. that's another blank i am drawing and i cannot seem to get over it. |
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| 11:19.02 | project2501a | like |
| 11:19.12 | project2501a | how do i pull from upstream, and automatically build? |
| 11:19.18 | dmbaturin | In a package you can specify anything you want in the rules file. |
| 11:19.28 | zgedneil | aha, apparently my sources.list URLs need a debian/ path on now, how odd |
| 11:19.36 | project2501a | how do i package automatically, so i can leverage the computer as much as possible, so i can build more packages? |
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| 11:21.32 | dmbaturin | Automatically in what sense? For nightly builds or something you may put debuild commands into cron. |
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| 11:25.59 | eadric | hi I have a wheezy question, is this the right place for that or not |
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| 11:27.50 | zgedneil | eadric: topic says "wheezy/sid: #debian-next (irc.oftc.net)" :-) |
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| 11:29.33 | eadric | ok my bad, thnx |
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| 11:31.50 | zgedneil | I think half a gig of package downloads is a hint that I should be upgrading slightly more often |
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| 11:40.06 | klys | gone since 2008, mi back! |
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| 11:44.22 | klys | this time i have installed irssi to a Android WM8650 |
| 11:44.54 | klys | old computers are stolen <ouch> |
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| 12:15.01 | kripz | why does the kfreebsd install cd always boot minimal grub? |
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| 12:15.34 | klys_ | do you have the -dev packages? |
| 12:16.16 | kripz | klys, i downloaded debian-6.0.4-kfreebsd-amd64-netinst.iso and am trying to boot off it. it just loads a minimal grub |
| 12:16.40 | klys_ | i know the grub commandline in case you have questions |
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| 12:17.03 | kripz | how do i get the install started? |
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| 12:17.31 | klys_ | go to the menu's default option and `e' may edit the commands |
| 12:17.49 | kripz | its minimal grub, there;s no menu |
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| 12:18.14 | klys_ | you want to surf to (fd0) |
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| 12:19.20 | klys_ | type kernel (fd0)/<tab><tab> |
| 12:20.06 | klys_ | you'll probably want to look for the menu.lst file |
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| 12:32.48 | virunga | Hi, just choose the install option of debian cd, does that mean that there isn't the graphic part in debian installation? |
| 12:33.02 | virunga | installed |
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| 12:34.30 | klys | debian cd? you must want ubuntu |
| 12:35.20 | virunga | klys, why ubuntu? I'm installing debian |
| 12:35.26 | petemc | virunga: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/GUI |
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| 12:35.38 | klys | graphical debian-installer anyone? |
| 12:35.43 | klys | k |
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| 12:36.56 | simonlnu | klys: there's beena gtk d-i since you were here last ;) |
| 12:37.02 | simonlnu | been a |
| 12:37.03 | virunga | klys, too late i already choose the installation without graphic and i'd like to know if that implies that there's no graphic after installation |
| 12:37.05 | klys | 2008 |
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| 12:37.19 | simonlnu | virunga: not at all |
| 12:37.31 | virunga | simonlnu, thank you :) |
| 12:37.42 | simonlnu | just different way to install |
| 12:37.44 | klys | simonlnu: were you simonrvn? |
| 12:37.48 | simonlnu | yup |
| 12:37.52 | klys | ha! |
| 12:37.56 | simonlnu | :) |
| 12:38.14 | klys | |] |
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| 12:38.59 | virunga | bye |
| 12:39.04 | simonlnu | have fun |
| 12:39.07 | klys | ciao |
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| 12:42.41 | klys | so mi has all this java stuff for .apk |
| 12:42.55 | klys | no java command |
| 12:43.12 | Agiofws | hello |
| 12:43.19 | klys | hil |
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| 12:43.58 | Agiofws | i have a pdf text file and i would like ti make side notes on it is this possible even through something like openoffice ? |
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| 12:44.32 | themill | Agiofws: lodraw can do that but something like xournal is somewhat easier in my experience. |
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| 12:44.38 | klys | last advice here was dvi2ps |
| 12:44.45 | Agiofws | xournal ? |
| 12:44.53 | themill | ,i xournal |
| 12:44.54 | judd | Package xournal (x11, optional) in squeeze/i386: GTK+ Application for note taking. Version: 0.4.5-2; Size: 259.7k; Installed: 892k; Homepage: http://xournal.sourceforge.net/; Screenshot: http://screenshots.debian.net/package/xournal |
| 12:45.38 | themill | ,i libreoffice-pdfimport squeeze-backports |
| 12:45.39 | judd | Package libreoffice-pdfimport (misc, extra) in squeeze-backports/i386: LibreOffice extension for importing PDF documents. Version: 1.0.5+LibO3.4.3-3~bpo60+1; Size: 749.8k; Installed: 1620k; Homepage: http://extensions.services.openoffice.org/project/pdfimport |
| 12:45.45 | xispirito | about pdf's...have way to convert them to html and maintain layout and etc? |
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| 12:51.10 | klys | ,i swish-e |
| 12:51.11 | judd | Package swish-e (web, optional) in squeeze/i386: Simple Web Indexing System for Humans - Enhanced. Version: 2.4.7-1; Size: 939.2k; Installed: 2722k |
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| 12:54.55 | Snake12 | Hi i followed this tutorial http://flurdy.com/docs/postfix/#config-simple-imap and i can both send and receive emails with Telnet |
| 12:55.24 | Snake12 | but when i try to connect with squirrelmail web interface or when i want to send emails via my Thunderbird on another LAN machine, i get relay acces denied dont know why |
| 12:55.45 | Snake12 | i want to create an own mail server in my home |
| 12:55.55 | klys | ,i alpine |
| 12:55.56 | judd | Package alpine (mail, optional) in squeeze/i386: Text-based email client, friendly for novices but powerful. Version: 2.00+dfsg-6; Size: 2798.5k; Installed: 6256k; Homepage: http://www.washington.edu/alpine/; Screenshot: http://screenshots.debian.net/package/alpine |
| 12:57.34 | Snake12 | judd: can i use like squirrelmail with it ? |
| 12:57.50 | Snake12 | the important thing for me is that i can relay my outgoing mails over my isp's smtp |
| 12:57.59 | Snake12 | because they blocked outgoing port 25, |
| 12:58.01 | Snake12 | but not incoming |
| 12:58.11 | klys | smtp != imap4 |
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| 12:58.58 | Snake12 | klys: isnt it easier to just use dovecot and postfix? |
| 12:59.04 | klys | ,i exim |
| 12:59.05 | judd | No package named 'exim' was found in squeeze/i386. |
| 12:59.13 | klys | ,i exim4 |
| 12:59.14 | judd | Package exim4 (mail, standard) in squeeze/i386: metapackage to ease Exim MTA (v4) installation. Version: 4.72-6+squeeze2; Size: 7.6k; Installed: 60k; Homepage: http://www.exim.org/ |
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| 12:59.43 | themill | Snake12: sounds like you need to "dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config" and configure it as a smarthost. |
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| 13:05.13 | silvio | 1lista |
| 13:05.41 | klys | ~apt |
| 13:05.41 | apt | methinks apt is a stuild bot, said by Cotulla |
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| 13:10.18 | Snake12 | themill: can u send me a proper fully tutorial so i can follow it and make it work |
| 13:10.49 | klys | dpkg -L postfix | grep etc |
| 13:10.49 | dpkg_ | ii postfix | grep etc 1.3-12 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
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| 13:13.39 | themill | Snake12: there's not really much more to say. Run that command and answer the questions. There's some more detail in /usr/share/doc/exim4-config/README.Debian.gz |
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| 13:37.55 | kthakore | Hello I am loosing space in my /root parition that debian installer made for me |
| 13:38.13 | kthakore | how can I fix this? Can I make a ln -s of /usr/local to another place? |
| 13:38.22 | kthakore | another parition* ? |
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| 13:47.00 | ksuhku | kthakore, yes you can |
| 13:47.24 | klys | cd /var/cache; mv apt apt_; mkdir /mnt/apt; mkdir /mnt/apt/archives; mkdir /mnt/apt/arhives/lock; ln -s /mnt/apt . |
| 13:47.29 | ksuhku | you could also delete e.g. /etc/apt/cache or whatever where apt caches packages |
| 13:47.45 | ksuhku | or get rid of old logs etc |
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| 13:49.32 | simonlnu | *cough* mkdir -p |
| 13:49.49 | GNU\colossus | witchcraft! |
| 13:50.25 | kthakore | ok |
| 13:50.30 | kthakore | thanks ksuhku |
| 13:50.41 | kthakore | Is there a way to expand that partition? |
| 13:50.59 | xispirito | in /proc or /sys, have an archive that contains cpu utilization in %? |
| 13:50.59 | klys | ,i ext2ressize |
| 13:51.00 | judd | No package named 'ext2ressize' was found in squeeze/i386. |
| 13:51.08 | klys | ,i ext2resize |
| 13:51.09 | Tris0mi | i downloaded eggdrop and when i run "./configure" my computer crash. is there anyway to install eggdrop without using the command "./configure" ? just installed linux again after 10 years break, so im abit rusty |
| 13:51.10 | judd | No package named 'ext2resize' was found in squeeze/i386. |
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| 13:51.50 | ksuhku | kthakore, you can do it with e.g. a gparted live cd |
| 13:51.53 | klys | Tris0mi: you're probqably out of memory |
| 13:52.07 | simonlnu | Tris0mi: um, check your system logs, you might have a hardware problem |
| 13:52.11 | ksuhku | kthakore, but that's a potentially dangerous operation |
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| 13:52.15 | kthakore | ksuhku: yeah .. |
| 13:52.40 | ksuhku | kthakore, i've never had any issues with it though, done it like 10 times with all my data and all (call me crazy) |
| 13:52.40 | kthakore | dang why did I not see the live cd making such a small /root |
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| 13:52.56 | kthakore | ksuhku: I will backup before I do this |
| 13:52.59 | klys | dd if=/dev/zero of=swap bs=1048576 count=400; mkswap swap; swapon swap |
| 13:53.06 | haole | hello there... i'm a bit confused about ssh keys on debian... i have the computer B that wants to connect without password on computer A... if I generate keys on B and put them on /root/.ssh/authorized_keys of the computer A, i can ssh to it as the root user... however, if i copy the authorized_keys file to some other user, i cannot log in without password to that user... what could be wrong in my setup? |
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| 13:53.08 | ksuhku | always a great idea kthakore |
| 13:53.17 | kthakore | altough what is a simple backup tool to use? |
| 13:53.20 | Tris0mi | yupp i know i got a hardware problem, windows crash 1-2 times per day, more or less. in debian my comp crash alot |
| 13:53.27 | Tris0mi | how do i check system logs ? |
| 13:53.43 | simonlnu | haole: 1) wanting to ssh as root |
| 13:53.55 | simonlnu | Tris0mi: less /var/log/syslog |
| 13:53.59 | ksuhku | kthakore, i always do my backups by hand so i'll let somebody else answer that |
| 13:54.08 | haole | simonlnu, the network is not connected to the internet and it is a small LAN |
| 13:54.24 | tremon | haole: 2) file permissions on authorized_keys. Check /var/log/auth.log |
| 13:54.44 | klys | haole: you need to do ssh-keygen yourself |
| 13:54.54 | haole | oh, it might be the permissions indeed |
| 13:55.51 | themill | haole: /msg dpkg_ ssh permissions |
| 13:56.20 | kthakore | ksuhku: ok |
| 13:56.28 | haole | tremon, that was it... solved :) |
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| 13:57.23 | haole | its cluster stuff... the only way to mess up my system is with physical access, but against physical access there is not much that can be done, so i have almost no security |
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| 14:03.26 | fasta | Ok, interesting little fact: Flash works better in a Windows VM than in Debian native. Is Flash broken by design on Linux or what? |
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| 14:04.06 | Moebius | java works better on windows too |
| 14:04.07 | khaleel5000 | hi, on debian sid , kde, whats teh shortcut for the 'start menu' ? (i forgot, booting it after quite a while- and can you change taht shortcut?) |
| 14:04.17 | tremon | fasta: please ask adobe |
| 14:04.22 | Moebius | oh well.. i didn't mean VM.. |
| 14:04.23 | Moebius | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:04.39 | thewanderer1 | khaleel5000, alt+f1? |
| 14:04.41 | xispirito | flash is a crap...but works good here |
| 14:04.47 | Moebius | here too. |
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| 14:05.02 | Moebius | fasta, make sure you're using a proper plugin |
| 14:05.04 | fasta | Can you play full screen 1080p movies without any lag? |
| 14:05.07 | Moebius | fasta, and that's non-free one |
| 14:05.13 | fasta | Moebius: I am using the non-free one. |
| 14:05.23 | Moebius | fasta, well man.. for most people it's ok, really. |
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| 14:05.31 | Moebius | fasta, i have no probs with flash. Never had. I mean on Debian. |
| 14:05.40 | Moebius | fasta, java is more disturbing to me. |
| 14:05.42 | Canaimero-15d4 | hi |
| 14:05.49 | Canaimero-15d4 | good morning |
| 14:05.51 | lbs` | After a recent upgrade, I can't use ibus in emacs. Do anyone encounter such problem? |
| 14:06.02 | xispirito | that's depend of horsepower |
| 14:06.12 | fasta | xispirito: nothing wrong with my horse ;) |
| 14:06.13 | xispirito | my machine is ten year old =x |
| 14:06.49 | Canaimero-15d4 | i'm looking for the 2.6.39 bpo kernel. |
| 14:06.52 | xispirito | fasta: hueahuaeuh |
| 14:07.00 | xispirito | i bad in english =( |
| 14:07.08 | ksuhku | fasta, i have no problems with flash, it's not installed |
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| 14:07.32 | Canaimero-15d4 | someone has the 2.6.39 bpo kernel? |
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| 14:08.55 | Kull | fasta: you are probably using the wrong graphics drivers if flash is slower than in a VM. |
| 14:09.04 | Kull | Slower host than guest == problem |
| 14:09.19 | Moebius | Canaimero-15d4, just a little suggestion: i'd use 2.6.38. |
| 14:09.29 | Moebius | Canaimero-15d4, don't ask me why. Just keep in mind ;) |
| 14:09.48 | khaleel5000 | thewanderer1: (kde shortcut for start menu- alt+f1, thats what i thought, but when I press nothing happens |
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| 14:09.52 | Canaimero-15d4 | Moebius: it could work... |
| 14:09.59 | Moebius | Canaimero-15d4, let me give you the instructions |
| 14:10.27 | Moebius | Canaimero-15d4, https://ticketing.nforce.com/index.php?/Knowledgebase/Article/View/27/0/upgrading-the-kernel-to-2638-in-debian-6-squeeze |
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| 14:10.49 | Moebius | Canaimero-15d4, if you'd like 2.6.38 (if 39 fails for you) just subsitute all 2.6.39 lines with 2.6.38. And there ya go. |
| 14:11.27 | Moebius | Canaimero-15d4, just make sure you won't upgrade your system from backports by getting all the packages, that's fatal. |
| 14:11.36 | Moebius | Canaimero-15d4, just get the kernel. |
| 14:11.54 | Canaimero-15d4 | the 2.6.32 doesn't work, but in backports repositories is not those kernels, it is only 3.2 |
| 14:11.58 | neil__ | I am trying to get the guest additions for virtualbox to install... the error log says I need to install "linux-headers-2.6.32-5-686" ... but this package isn't found... what do I need to install to keep the linux-headers upto date? |
| 14:12.16 | khaleel5000 | thewanderer1: never mind, it was unassigned in settings. thanks |
| 14:12.16 | Moebius | Canaimero-15d4, no, it's not only 3.2. Just do as you're told man. |
| 14:12.17 | thewanderer1 | Canaimero-15d4, why don't you compile your own from kernel.org? |
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| 14:12.35 | thewanderer1 | Moebius, 2.6.39 has been removed from backports |
| 14:12.38 | Moebius | thewanderer1, hey, wasn't it you who told me i can upgrade up to kernel 3.0 and keep my gnome here? |
| 14:12.40 | themill | neil__: what release of debian are you using? |
| 14:12.46 | Moebius | thewanderer1, really??? And 2.6.38 too??? |
| 14:12.57 | Canaimero-15d4 | puff because always i compile a kernel broke something |
| 14:13.06 | thewanderer1 | Moebius, as far as I can tell, yes. and many users have been coming since, complaining. |
| 14:13.16 | Moebius | thewanderer1, hmm... but .38 is fine, i'm using it. |
| 14:13.18 | neil__ | themill, wheezy |
| 14:13.18 | thewanderer1 | Canaimero-15d4, you can use Debian's default config and just make your own compile |
| 14:13.28 | thewanderer1 | Moebius, you may be using it. but it's no longer in the repository |
| 14:13.39 | haole | hey there... i'm creating some binary packages for proprietary stuff that runs on my cluster... however, i would like to configure a simple repository for them, but all the software that i've found to do that will ask me the .changes file of my package, but by creating a binary package i don't have such file... could someone point me in the right direction? |
| 14:13.39 | thewanderer1 | I'll see if any of my machines still has 2.6.39 cached |
| 14:13.42 | Moebius | thewanderer1, thanks for letting know. I'll keep an image of my system then. |
| 14:13.43 | themill | neil__: and what does "uname -r" say? |
| 14:13.54 | Moebius | thewanderer1, cause i don't wanna mess with no kernels anyway |
| 14:13.54 | thewanderer1 | Canaimero-15d4, do you need i386 or amd64? |
| 14:14.08 | Canaimero-15d4 | im going to check backports again but i dont see other kernel than 3.2 |
| 14:14.21 | Moebius | thewanderer1, but are you that guy who told me i can keep gnome and other stuff by upgrading to newer kernel? |
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| 14:14.42 | Moebius | Canaimero-15d4, don't check, it's deleted. |
| 14:14.47 | Moebius | Canaimero-15d4, the guy just told you |
| 14:14.50 | Moebius | Canaimero-15d4, and me too :) |
| 14:15.12 | neil__ | themill, 2.6.32-5-686 |
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| 14:15.13 | Tris0mi | i check system log as you told before, when comp crash is says something about "Gtk-WARNING" then it crash |
| 14:15.14 | fasta | Kull: what exactly do you mean? |
| 14:15.25 | thewanderer1 | Moebius, I might have suggested backports to you, yes - I give too much advice here to really remember, sorry |
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| 14:15.46 | thewanderer1 | Canaimero-15d4, are you after amd64 or i386 arch of the kernel? |
| 14:15.48 | fasta | Kull: the guest offloads its drivers to the host, so by definition the host has correct drivers. |
| 14:15.54 | Moebius | thewanderer1, no, i think that wasn't you... i don't remember the nickname of that guy.... he didn't recommend backports to me, he was talking about compiling kernels... |
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| 14:16.09 | Moebius | thewanderer1, and he told me i can do it and preserve all my Squeeze stuff |
| 14:16.22 | themill | neil__: yeah, so that's not the wheezy kernel. You need to install linux-image-686-pae and linux-headers-686-pae |
| 14:16.36 | thewanderer1 | Moebius, oh, sure you can... I've been running Squeeze with a 3.1 kernel for quite some time :P |
| 14:16.44 | Moebius | thewanderer1, really?.. |
| 14:16.47 | Moebius | thewanderer1, i didn't know that... |
| 14:16.57 | Moebius | thewanderer1, i mean... how did you do it? |
| 14:17.32 | Moebius | oh well. i know, the answer is not just 2 lines long :) |
| 14:17.44 | Moebius | anyways.. catch you later, gotta hit the button. |
| 14:17.47 | Canaimero-15d4 | Moebius: Sorry if im bothering you but 2.6.39 or 2.6.38 doesnt appear in bpo |
| 14:17.49 | thewanderer1 | Moebius, at first from backports, then I compiled one myself from kernel.org (make-kpkg) - both work equally well, and depending on your needs one may be more suitable |
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| 14:18.06 | thewanderer1 | Canaimero-15d4, again, what architecture do you need the kernel for? |
| 14:18.06 | Moebius | Canaimero-15d4, i know man. Sorry, i didn't know myself that it's been removed from there. But i could install it before. |
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| 14:18.35 | Moebius | thewanderer1, ok, so i can actually snatch kernel 3.1 from backports the same way it's shown on that page i gave to the guy?.. |
| 14:18.46 | thewanderer1 | Moebius, sure |
| 14:19.22 | Canaimero-15d4 | http://packages.debian.org/squeeze-backports/kernel/ |
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| 14:19.29 | Moebius | thewanderer1, thanks for letting know! I just thought it's impossible cause nobody ever told me about it, and also noone ever tried to do that, i've been reading forums and such and i thought that the only way to get kernel 3.1 is to install Wheezy or Sid |
| 14:19.33 | Moebius | thewanderer1, thanks again. |
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| 14:20.14 | thewanderer1 | Canaimero-15d4, yeah but which arch do you need exactly? amd64? i386? I'm looking in my cache but don't know what to look for :P |
| 14:20.15 | Tris0mi | when i startup debian, it crashed around when the login meny shows up... it can take 15-20 tries before i finally get in to debian, then it seems to work.. but if i do certain things like "./configure" after downloaded eggdrop, crashes everytime. system log say something about "Gtk-WARNING". dont know what it means. anyone has any idea what i should do ? |
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| 14:20.30 | neil__ | themill, ok |
| 14:20.41 | thewanderer1 | Tris0mi, if the errors are random... check your RAM for errors? |
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| 14:21.21 | Tris0mi | even tried to install Guntu, computer shut down evertime i start the install, something must be wrong with hardware |
| 14:21.31 | Tris0mi | how do i check for ram errors ? |
| 14:21.49 | thewanderer1 | Tris0mi, what exactly happens when the "crash" occurs? |
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| 14:22.03 | Tris0mi | comp just simple shut downs |
| 14:22.11 | thewanderer1 | on its own? |
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| 14:22.16 | Tris0mi | yupp |
| 14:22.27 | Tris0mi | its a laptop, amd64 |
| 14:22.28 | thewanderer1 | is there a beeping sound or anything similar? |
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| 14:22.40 | Tris0mi | nope, just shut down |
| 14:22.57 | thewanderer1 | hmm, maybe it's overheating? |
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| 14:23.13 | Tris0mi | same thing in windows, but not often, maybe once a day it suddenly shuts down |
| 14:23.26 | thewanderer1 | it should be beeping, but some new laptops simply don't have a beeper |
| 14:23.46 | Tris0mi | its an 6 year old comp |
| 14:23.55 | thewanderer1 | looks like thermal or power failure to me - not a Debian problem, too |
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| 14:24.29 | Canaimero-15d4 | thewanderer1: thanx but i need both arch, amd64 for my desktop and i386 for my netbook |
| 14:24.31 | thewanderer1 | if you want more insight into the problem, try running "sensors" every second or so and save the results to some file on disk - you might catch the moment when it overheats |
| 14:24.45 | thewanderer1 | Canaimero-15d4, what CPU model is your netbook? |
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| 14:25.34 | Tris0mi | used a program in windows, cpu temp seem to be constant at 70 celscius, hard driver around 48-55 |
| 14:25.37 | injureddeer | how show some popup from script on Xfce/Debian? |
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| 14:26.04 | thewanderer1 | Tris0mi, 70°C is a bit much - also try on Debian, watch the temp and derive conclusions |
| 14:26.05 | ksuhku | Tris0mi, wow, 70 is too much |
| 14:26.08 | neil__ | Tris0mi, A friend of mine had a similar problem the heatsink on the CPU was completly blocked with dust.. a quick clean with the vac. got rid of the dust and the shutdown problem. |
| 14:26.11 | Tris0mi | amd 64 3700+ |
| 14:26.19 | ksuhku | yeah, blow those dustballs! |
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| 14:26.29 | thewanderer1 | Tris0mi, wait, is it a laptop? |
| 14:26.37 | thewanderer1 | judging from the model, not, but I never know |
| 14:26.38 | Tris0mi | laptop yes |
| 14:26.47 | Tris0mi | yea i got the advice of a dust cleaning |
| 14:26.53 | Canaimero-15d4 | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:26.54 | thewanderer1 | gotta go for now, but blame thermal |
| 14:27.09 | Tris0mi | any command to check for temperatur in debian ? |
| 14:27.19 | ksuhku | sensors |
| 14:27.21 | injureddeer | how show some popup from script on Xfce/Debian? |
| 14:27.28 | thewanderer1 | Canaimero-15d4, I need to leave for a moment, back in 30 min, in the meantime please post your CPU model to the channel and surely someone'll tell you if it supports amd64 or not |
| 14:27.52 | Tris0mi | how do i check cpu model ? forgot what model it is |
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| 14:28.18 | injureddeer | Tris0mi: cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 14:28.29 | injureddeer | Tris0mi: cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep ^model |
| 14:28.33 | ksuhku | injureddeer, xmessage, osd-cat, aosd_cat, send-notify.... |
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| 14:28.53 | injureddeer | ksuhku: what is good :D? |
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| 14:29.04 | woshty | hi, i would like to set systemwide LC_something variables. how to accomplish that? |
| 14:29.04 | Canaimero-15d4 | thewanderer1: thanx but i need the amd64 kernel for my desktop |
| 14:29.05 | injureddeer | and nice ;d? |
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| 14:29.12 | ksuhku | injureddeer, depends, xmessage is ugly but works |
| 14:29.31 | Canaimero-15d4 | i need both kernel, one for my netbook and one for my dektop |
| 14:29.36 | ksuhku | injureddeer, notify-send can be rather beautiful but will not work with some full screen apps |
| 14:29.53 | injureddeer | i dont use full screen apps so ok |
| 14:29.59 | injureddeer | but there is no package in debian :[ |
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| 14:30.16 | Tris0mi | AMD Athlon (tm) 64 Processor 3700+ |
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| 14:30.45 | ksuhku | injureddeer, xmessage comes from x11-utils |
| 14:31.09 | injureddeer | ok |
| 14:31.11 | injureddeer | thx |
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| 14:31.42 | ksuhku | injureddeer, notify-send comes from libnotify-bin |
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| 14:31.57 | ksuhku | you're welcome injureddeer |
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| 14:32.36 | injureddeer | ksuhku: do you know maybe how send to user ? with xmessage |
| 14:32.43 | injureddeer | from root to my use popup :p |
| 14:32.43 | Canaimero-15d4 | is there someone using 2.6.39 kernels here? |
| 14:32.55 | injureddeer | Canaimero-15d4: u should use kernel 3 :) |
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| 14:33.36 | woshty | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:34.02 | ksuhku | injureddeer, no I don't know how to do that |
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| 14:34.36 | Canaimero-15d4 | injureddeer: i though that too but it works ugly in my netbook and in my desktop |
| 14:34.59 | Canaimero-15d4 | so i would like to come back to 2.6.39 in both pcs |
| 14:35.16 | blawiz | ive made an ad-hoc network between my stationary and my lapton (through wireless), so no i can ping between them. how can i share the stationarys internet with the laptop? |
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| 14:36.13 | injureddeer | ksuhku: i see it probably send to all :), so work, whatever thx for help :) |
| 14:36.41 | injureddeer | Canaimero-15d4: yeah, and dont need install something new, so is good |
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| 14:36.55 | injureddeer | and i can use for example for ssh logins :) |
| 14:37.16 | injureddeer | via /etc/ssh/sshrc when I have on my desktop ssh for share files with my other PC's |
| 14:37.29 | woshty | nvm, got it |
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| 14:39.10 | Canaimero-15d4 | hello my friends, i'm looking for 2.6.39 bpo kernel's, |
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| 14:41.53 | cantido | Is it possible to have ifup run slattach before configuring a slip interface? it seems to want the interface to exist first :/ |
| 14:42.32 | klys | ifup is a script that runs ifconfig |
| 14:43.02 | cantido | klys: /etc/network/interfaces can have pre-up commands.. but it wants sl0 to exist apparently |
| 14:43.07 | tremon | !tell Canaimero-15d4 about snapshots |
| 14:43.08 | cantido | klys: slattach creates sl0 |
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| 14:43.53 | woshty | and why do i have different enviroment vars depending if i log into shell or x? a script in /etc/profile.d seems to be executed if i log into the console, but not if i use wdm to log into x |
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| 14:44.05 | klys | all this for the convenience to type ifup at the prompt, i should talk about tending root |
| 14:44.23 | cantido | klys: ? |
| 14:44.43 | cantido | I dont want to have to remember all the options for slattach for this interface.. |
| 14:44.56 | Canaimero-15d4 | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:45.00 | klys | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:45.47 | reyman | hi |
| 14:45.52 | klys | hil |
| 14:46.09 | thewanderer1 | !tell Canaimero-15d4 about sdo |
| 14:46.15 | neil__ | themill, thanks for the help, for your info virtualbox doesn't support pae. I need to install the 486 kernel etc apparently. |
| 14:46.34 | Canaimero-15d4 | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:46.36 | themill | neil__: umm... it should support that just fine |
| 14:46.42 | thewanderer1 | I forgot about that one to be honest :P |
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| 14:47.34 | Canaimero-15d4 | puff thank you both thewanderer1 and tremon |
| 14:47.45 | tremon | you're welcome :) |
| 14:47.52 | Canaimero-15d4 | i'm going to loook for my kernels |
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| 14:48.53 | bs0d | Hello guys. How can I remove icons for mounts from the desktop? I have 2 disks mounted in /etc/fstab and their appropriate icons are on the desktop, but I dont need them there. |
| 14:49.07 | reyman | Hi, i have a debian squeeze, and lot of problem with install of ruby with passenger ... |
| 14:49.15 | reyman | if you have some advice |
| 14:49.17 | reyman | i take :) |
| 14:49.21 | neil__ | themill, do you mean pae or the 486 kernel? |
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| 14:50.49 | thewanderer1 | reyman, be more specific |
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| 14:51.16 | themill | neil__: virtualbox works quite happily with the -686-pae kernels in debian |
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| 14:51.54 | reyman | Passenger run with apt-get package (i try to install with rvm, but no success) |
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| 14:52.07 | reyman | i have no images |
| 14:52.36 | reyman | like for example redmine/chiliproject : www.projet.parisgeo.cnrs.fr |
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| 14:53.32 | aussa | hi, wicd is failing to connect to wep networks, I tryed this: http://tolearnfree.blogspot.com/2009/12/how-to-connect-on-open-wep-wlan-via.html with no results, is there other way to do it? |
| 14:54.07 | ksuhku | bs0d, on gnome? |
| 14:54.51 | bs0d | ksuhku yes |
| 14:54.52 | reyman | my server version for apache is Apache/2.2.16 (Debian), passenger is 3.0.11 |
| 14:55.05 | ksuhku | bs0d, gconf-editor /apps/nautilus/desktop |
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| 14:55.37 | bs0d | ksuhku oh ... I was looking in /apps/gnome/desktop |
| 14:55.42 | ksuhku | :) |
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| 14:56.15 | ksuhku | nautilus handles the desktop (as well as browses files) |
| 14:56.15 | bs0d | ksuhku thanks! How o do this on a per-user basis? |
| 14:56.45 | Canaimero-15d4 | i love you guys, i found my kernels |
| 14:56.45 | zgr | guys why coreutils in debian is so old? |
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| 14:56.52 | ksuhku | bs0d, don't know |
| 14:57.10 | Canaimero-15d4 | iḿ going to be hier if someone need help |
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| 14:58.42 | neil__ | themill, maybe... but I might be but the virtualbox is hosted in Ubuntu 10.10 ... maybe that makes a difference. |
| 14:59.25 | tremon | ,versions coreutils |
| 14:59.26 | judd | Package: coreutils on i386 -- lenny: 6.10-6; squeeze: 8.5-1; sid: 8.13-3; wheezy: 8.13-3 |
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| 15:05.09 | ksuhku | bs0d, maybe you can use gconftool? |
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| 15:15.31 | Moebius | got a question.. dunno if it's debian-related... but it's all UNIX at least, ya know.. i had two partitions, one NTFS with Windows (which was primary) and another one with Debian. But i'm using grub you see... i installed BSD on Windows partition, i can still access Debian and grub works well, i did "update-grub", windows dissappeard, but there's no BSD partition there! |
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| 15:15.55 | Moebius | so how can i boot into PCBSD now?.. i thought it'd see it.. it's all UNIX.. |
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| 15:16.08 | Moebius | it worked like that with opensuse though.. |
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| 15:16.20 | Moebius | BSD was mounted as /boot by the way. |
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| 15:17.40 | lbs` | Moebius: maybe you can try os-prober to automatically detect other systems. |
| 15:17.41 | klys_ | BSD uses disklabels. grub uses partition tables the way dos does. |
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| 15:18.04 | Moebius | lbs', what's that?.. |
| 15:18.05 | Moebius | ah..... |
| 15:18.18 | klys_ | to have both you'll have to pull out your sector editor after installing *BSD on a fresh harddrive. |
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| 15:18.55 | Moebius | ok, i believe it might boot if i delete grub... but apparently it didn't touch mbr |
| 15:18.59 | Moebius | that's what the thing is |
| 15:19.22 | klys_ | well, deleting grub makes you vulnerable to losing the partition. |
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| 15:19.39 | Moebius | klys, not really, i have it all backed up with acronis, can revive it any minute. |
| 15:19.51 | Moebius | done it many times |
| 15:19.58 | Moebius | it restores both paritition and mbr |
| 15:20.12 | Moebius | so i have nothing to worry about... |
| 15:20.18 | klys_ | it means the whole drive goes to ffs slices. |
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| 15:21.06 | klys_ | you have to match the chs stuff with cylinder aligning arithmetic. |
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| 15:22.41 | klys_ | start with printouts of the stuff from /sbin/fdisk |
| 15:22.57 | Moebius | pff... |
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| 15:23.24 | Moebius | grub must do all the job.... otherwise it's ridiculous... i knew it might screw up.. but common... |
| 15:23.28 | Moebius | why do i have to do all that... |
| 15:23.33 | Moebius | oh well. Thanks anyway. |
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| 15:24.02 | klys_ | the netBSD boot floppy will create a new disklabel and write to it before you press a key. |
| 15:24.32 | tensorpudding_ | it's called ufs now isn't it |
| 15:24.38 | tensorpudding_ | the filesystem on netbsd |
| 15:24.59 | klys_ | ffs or ufs |
| 15:25.04 | ksuhku | Moebius, it's "come on" not "common"... |
| 15:25.35 | Moebius | ksuhku, pff... is this a grammar channel or what? :) |
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| 15:25.44 | ksuhku | yes! |
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| 15:25.50 | Moebius | ksuhku, for your information, i KNOW how to say that :) |
| 15:25.56 | Moebius | ksuhku, how to spell that is |
| 15:26.40 | Moebius | tensorpudding_, yes, but i used zfs by the way |
| 15:26.48 | Moebius | but i don't think it really matters. |
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| 15:27.09 | Moebius | all i wanna do is to check what PCBSD is and can damn boot into it now... just to fiddle with it a bit.. |
| 15:27.14 | Cyclohexane | how do i setup an spf record? it doesn't seem to be working at the moment.. |
| 15:27.29 | shaun- | Cyclohexane: in your DNS |
| 15:28.12 | Cyclohexane | Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: ip.ip.ip.ip is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of www-data@domain.com) |
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| 15:28.28 | lbs` | Moebius: os-prober is a package that automatically generate grub.cfg to let you boot into all the installed systems. |
| 15:28.45 | Moebius | lbs`, i ran it |
| 15:28.52 | Moebius | lbs`, but it didn't say anything |
| 15:28.54 | tensorpudding_ | i didn't think zfs worked on netbsd |
| 15:29.10 | Moebius | lbs`, but let me try rebooting |
| 15:29.16 | shaun- | Cyclohexane: most people have 'soft' policies when using SPF. so there's no dropped mail. it's just inspected with greater attention to detail as it 'may' be spam |
| 15:29.43 | Retenodus | Hi. I've a command which the output is redirected in a file. I wish to be able to delete the content of the file while the command is running. Unfortunately, when I delete the file with rm, the command doesn't create a new file, and if I create a new file with touch, the commande doesn't write into it. |
| 15:29.44 | lbs` | Moebius: os-prober can detect my windows system. but i've not tried it on bsd. |
| 15:29.59 | Moebius | lbs`, well even grub detects windows, that's no biggie |
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| 15:30.05 | Retenodus | Is there a way to do what I wish ? |
| 15:30.13 | shaun- | Cyclohexane: that's what the ~all at the end is for. |
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| 15:30.54 | lbs` | Moebius: i mean use it to generate grub.cfg |
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| 15:31.14 | Moebius | lbs`, well how do i do it? It doesn't react on any parameters even --help |
| 15:31.25 | Moebius | lbs`, it just runs and says nothing |
| 15:31.40 | Moebius | i dunno what it does, can't see it |
| 15:31.47 | shaun- | Retenodus: you can't do it the way you're currently implenting it. You will need to , in your script, check for the existence of the logfile and create it if it doesn't exist. the output pipe will break otherwise |
| 15:33.11 | lbs` | Moebius: i'm not sure if your problem is that you haven't have bsd correctly installed or you don't know howto boot it |
| 15:33.43 | Moebius | lbs`, it's long to explain, but all i know is that grub should've detected it. It's installed correctly, it's just that i've been using grub with Debian and windows |
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| 15:33.55 | Moebius | i installed it on Windows partition (of course, it's not ntfs anymore) |
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| 15:34.12 | Moebius | grub still startsup letting me to boot into debian, but it doesn't see that particular partition with BSD |
| 15:34.16 | Moebius | now you understand? |
| 15:34.28 | lbs` | there's no entry for BSD? |
| 15:34.30 | Moebius | NO!~ |
| 15:34.33 | Moebius | that's what i'm saying! |
| 15:34.39 | Retenodus | shaun : I wish there is no interruption of the command. |
| 15:34.49 | Moebius | and i did 'update-grub', it worked for suse like that, doesn't work for BSD though. |
| 15:34.56 | Anthony_ | Debian ROCKS |
| 15:35.04 | Moebius | also you must know, that BSD mounted to /boot |
| 15:35.07 | Moebius | is |
| 15:35.08 | shaun- | Retenodus: Yes |
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| 15:35.10 | Anthony_ | Debian > UBUNTU |
| 15:35.13 | Moebius | that's what i saw during installation |
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| 15:35.32 | Anthony_ | Debian is the BEST rahrahrah |
| 15:35.40 | lbs` | you BSD partition is now mounted on /boot? |
| 15:35.49 | shaun- | Anthony_: I forgot it was half term in some places |
| 15:35.55 | Moebius | lbs`, yes, exactly |
| 15:36.10 | Moebius | lbs`, i didn't do it, it was specified by default |
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| 15:36.21 | tremon | shaun-: it's always half-term in some minds... |
| 15:36.26 | Moebius | i've installed BSD before but on a bare hard drive, it booted ok |
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| 15:36.31 | lbs` | have you examined your /etc/fstab |
| 15:36.34 | Anthony_ | shaun-: my dedicated server runs Debian 6 and I love it |
| 15:36.37 | Moebius | lbs`, well let me see |
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| 15:37.13 | Moebius | well, that's what there is # /dev/sda1 /mnt/Windows ntfs-3g exec,user,auto,rw 0 0 |
| 15:37.17 | Moebius | but i don't think that matters |
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| 15:37.24 | Anthony_ | my server feels like it runs faster |
| 15:37.26 | Moebius | it's mounted only when i'm in the system |
| 15:37.31 | Moebius | has nothing to do with grub though |
| 15:37.36 | Anthony_ | i had ubuntu at first |
| 15:37.37 | Retenodus | shaun : I don't understand what do you mean. My command is a simple "tcpdump -i iface > /var/log/tcpdump_file", and I've a script in a crontab which sends tcpdump_file to another server and delete it |
| 15:37.51 | shaun- | Retenodus: I already explained. |
| 15:38.00 | shaun- | Anthony_: it runs faster? you bought it some new shoes? |
| 15:38.07 | lbs` | how about the /boot/grub/grub.cfg |
| 15:38.10 | Anthony_ | so glad i switched to debian |
| 15:38.21 | Anthony_ | shaun-: hell yea |
| 15:38.26 | Moebius | lbs', i bet there's no line for bSD, but i'll check |
| 15:39.01 | lbs` | if os-prober works, there should be one, otherwise i don't what else can do. |
| 15:39.01 | klys_ | so can you make a chainloader? dd bs=512 |
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| 15:39.28 | Moebius | lbs`, http://pastebin.com/iMzgrGPt |
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| 15:39.50 | Moebius | lbs`, i think i have to add it manually. |
| 15:39.56 | Moebius | like shown in the wiki |
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| 15:40.06 | Moebius | lbs`, http://wiki.pcbsd.org/index.php/Dual_Booting |
| 15:40.46 | klys_ | how do you start bsd? |
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| 15:41.14 | lbs` | Moebius: so this may be beyond my knowledge. good luck to you. |
| 15:41.17 | Moebius | klys_, that's not debian thing man.. don't elaborate.. |
| 15:41.18 | Moebius | lbs`, thanks |
| 15:41.21 | Moebius | i think i'll do it |
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| 15:41.46 | Moebius | klys_, but thanks, i think i know what to do know |
| 15:41.48 | Moebius | now* |
| 15:41.58 | Retenodus | shaun : if I check the existence of the file juste before the tcpdump is launched, how can this address the issue ? The problem is that the file is deleted while the tcpdump is running |
| 15:42.09 | Anthony_ | there are more users in here than in ##linux….isn't that ironic? |
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| 15:46.58 | shaun- | Retenodus: by doing it a different way. you can't achieve what you want doing it the way you're doing it. you need to create a slightly more comlicated script (bash, say) |
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| 15:47.44 | shaun- | Retenodus: have you tried using >> instead of > ? |
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| 15:48.02 | SP33D | hi i have a littel problem i installed java via apt-get so far so good |
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| 15:48.15 | DexterF | hi |
| 15:48.16 | SP33D | but i still get when i do java -version that i use 1.5 it should be 1.6 |
| 15:48.19 | shaun- | that 'may' just do it if you're lucky. otherwise you're going to have to have a rethink |
| 15:48.33 | DexterF | no flashplugin-nonfree in testing? options? |
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| 15:49.05 | shaun- | DexterF: I've used it in squeeze before. |
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| 15:49.53 | Retenodus | shaun : Yes I tried, without success |
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| 15:50.19 | shaun- | DexterF: it's in fact in squeeze and testing |
| 15:50.28 | DexterF | shaun-: in "contriB", not in nonfree... |
| 15:50.43 | shaun- | DexterF: yes |
| 15:50.49 | nsadmin | SP33D, oracle has tighened up their hold on java and as a result debian cannot distribute some later versions; it could be that you have to be satisfied with what you got or download from oracle and set it up yourself... at that point, support is from oracle and you maintain that installation of java; debian does not support it |
| 15:50.52 | shaun- | strange heh! |
| 15:51.10 | shaun- | SP33D: you can always go to sun and download the packages from their. |
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| 15:51.28 | nsadmin | no such thing as sun any more, it's oracle |
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| 15:55.58 | SP33D | shaun the installation worked |
| 15:56.21 | SP33D | i simply needed that command update-alternatives --config java |
| 15:56.29 | SP33D | to set the new java home that was the problem |
| 15:56.35 | SP33D | thx any how |
| 15:58.48 | thewanderer1 | if writing a CD/DVD, do I have to use ISO9660 or can I just write any data I want to it (like to a disk)? |
| 15:59.05 | klys | with this andriod device mi have all this java stuff, and no java command |
| 15:59.10 | shaun- | SP33D: you can also have multiple versions insatlled at the same time and use that command to choose whcih is your current version. i run 1.7 but there are some issues with minecraft ;-) |
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| 16:00.14 | klys | trying to find out which java is running i can see a zygote in ps w |
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| 16:00.48 | cheater | hi |
| 16:01.06 | cheater | as packages become newer, are older versions retained by debian on servers somewhere? |
| 16:01.21 | klys | debian-archive |
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| 16:01.45 | cheater | klys: is it a policy to always keep those debs around, forever? |
| 16:01.54 | klys | afaik |
| 16:02.00 | cheater | that's really cool |
| 16:02.20 | thewanderer1 | !tell cheater about sdo |
| 16:02.22 | shaun- | Retenodus: you coudl always use the split command to create lots of files if you're worried about teh size of the tcpdump file |
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| 16:02.33 | Moebius | success! |
| 16:02.39 | Moebius | it worked. Added entry to grub.cfg. |
| 16:02.40 | Wyzard | thewanderer1: You can write raw data to a CD or DVD |
| 16:02.47 | Moebius | boots up perfectly |
| 16:02.53 | shaun- | Retenodus: tcpdump -i eth0 -Xx -Nn src host foo.mil | split ... |
| 16:02.58 | thewanderer1 | Wyzard, hmm, ok. how? would I need wodim or just > in bash? |
| 16:03.48 | cheater | i was thinking, perhaps a file system which checksums it data like say btrfs could keep info on what deb a file is from.. and if a file contains a bad checksum then it could schedule that file for being unpacked from the same deb again |
| 16:04.05 | Wyzard | thewanderer1: wodim, though I think in the case of a DVD+R or DVD+RW you might be able to just write to the device file |
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| 16:04.51 | thewanderer1 | ok, thanks |
| 16:05.49 | thewanderer1 | is realizing a wild concept that optical drives might be used instead of tapes with 'tar' |
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| 16:06.44 | klys | has anyone seen something like `cat file | copypipe fifo | play; play fifo'? |
| 16:06.49 | shaun- | tapes are back in fashion again. tho for me they were always in vogue :) |
| 16:07.04 | tremon | klys: tee? |
| 16:08.16 | ezzy | For me windows xp file transfer is extremely slow under qemu. Is this expected or are there things I can try? |
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| 16:10.29 | shaun- | ezzy: what do you mean by xp file transfer. you mean just using explorer? where is source and destination? same machine? between guest os and host os? physically seperate machines over a network? |
| 16:12.52 | klys | tremon, thx. |
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| 16:13.15 | nsadmin | ezzy, for the side of the file tranfers that run debian, more support will be offered here for that, windows side, almost none but there is #windows |
| 16:13.51 | nsadmin | make another debian guest |
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| 16:14.20 | nsadmin | hook it up to the net using the same mechanism the xp guest is |
| 16:14.47 | nsadmin | then potentially you have then two debian guests that could do transfers between them |
| 16:15.06 | klys | freecode.com/projects/hmce |
| 16:15.07 | nsadmin | or, two xps |
| 16:15.16 | ezzy | shaun-, I mean just copying a file within windows under qemu is slow. |
| 16:15.26 | shaun- | ezzy: that shouldn't happen |
| 16:15.29 | nsadmin | and then use #windows for help |
| 16:15.48 | nsadmin | within windows? #windows |
| 16:16.00 | Wyzard | qemu using kvm? |
| 16:16.00 | ezzy | nsadmin, I am not asking about windows I am asking about qemu optimization. |
| 16:16.05 | Wyzard | or plain qemu where it emulates the CPU too? |
| 16:16.18 | Wyzard | I'd expect everything to be slow in the latter case |
| 16:16.22 | shaun- | nsadmin: the windows is a vm within qemu. it could just as easily be a problem with qemu. |
| 16:16.27 | shaun- | or how it's configured. |
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| 16:16.52 | nsadmin | shaun-, for that case, howbout having two debians as I suggested before? |
| 16:18.04 | shaun- | nsadmin: sounds like he just wants to copy a file from one place within the vm to another place within the vm and it's slow. usually virtual disks are actually FASTER than physical disks not slower (which is somethign that does worry me to be frank. obviously it's delayed writing to get these performance gains) |
| 16:18.55 | ezzy | Wyzard, I am quite new to the virtual machine stuff so I have no idea. I am using kqemu and not just qemu. |
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| 16:19.51 | thewanderer1 | ezzy, is your CPU usage excessively high when doing the said file transfer? |
| 16:20.20 | Wyzard | ezzy: OK, so it shouldn't be emulating the CPU -- but I think kqemu is deprecated, since KVM supersedes it |
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| 16:20.42 | Wyzard | Wikipedia says "newer releases of QEMU have completely removed support for KQEMU" |
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| 16:21.07 | Wyzard | I don't know what version dropped support for it, but maybe you're not actually using kqemu? |
| 16:21.37 | Wyzard | If you just want to run Windows in a VM, btw, VirtualBox would probably be a better place to start |
| 16:21.39 | ezzy | Wyzard, quite possibly it seems to accet -enable-kqemu however I'll look into kvm now. |
| 16:21.51 | shaun- | ezzy: what Wyzard said +1 |
| 16:21.55 | ezzy | Ah all right thanks ^^ |
| 16:22.06 | blawiz_ | i have a ad hoc connection (wirelessly) between my laptop and stationary. how do i share the stationaries internet with the laptop? |
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| 16:24.48 | klys | can you emulate x86 on armel? |
| 16:26.23 | somiaj | blawiz_: I'd use iptables and set up a simple NAT setup |
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| 16:26.54 | Wyzard | klys: That's require a full CPU emulator, i.e. qemu without the benefit of kqemu or kvm |
| 16:27.04 | Dulak | blawiz_: is stationary a linux box? |
| 16:27.14 | blawiz_ | Dulak, yup, debian |
| 16:27.16 | klys | ~qemu |
| 16:27.16 | apt | i heard qemu is an x86 emulator at http://fabrice.bellard.free.fr/qemu/ |
| 16:27.56 | blawiz_ | somiaj, i tried setting some iptables rules, 3lines i found on the net, but still cant ping external ips from laptop |
| 16:27.59 | Dulak | blawiz_: NAT as somiaj suggested |
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| 16:28.56 | somiaj | blawiz_: you have to turn ip_foward on |
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| 16:30.17 | somiaj | blawiz_: check /etc/sysctl.conf and uncommone the net.ipv4.ip_forward=1 (though to get that to take effect you have to reboot, so you can do 'echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward' |
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| 16:30.44 | blawiz_ | somiaj, i put a 1 in /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
| 16:31.35 | somiaj | blawiz_: iptables --list and iptables -t nat --list |
| 16:31.48 | somiaj | blawiz_: put that up on a pastebin, maybe someone can see what is wrong with your policy |
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| 16:33.47 | klys | apparently qremu doesn't support armel at least with a deb |
| 16:34.44 | blawiz_ | somiaj, both commands here http://pastebin.com/N0GYWqY7 |
| 16:34.50 | klys | would need lots of devlibs too |
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| 16:34.59 | Wyzard | klys: http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/qemu has an armel deb |
| 16:35.17 | bs0d | Which movie player can play .bdmv images? |
| 16:38.00 | blawiz_ | linuxappfinder.com cant find any apps for bdmv, have you tried mplayer? |
| 16:38.50 | jacobw | bs0d: mplayer |
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| 16:39.24 | jacobw | as blawiz_ said :) |
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| 16:41.56 | faolchu-aonair | http://youtu.be/ip5e9NUvX6A |
| 16:42.04 | somiaj | blawiz_: the two things I notice is to get internet connenction sharing to work you do not need any INPUT or FORWARD rules (Those will be useful to help create a firewall but are not needed for connenction sharing) |
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| 16:42.16 | somiaj | blawiz_: so you should fush your tables and only work with the NAT setting up masq first |
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| 16:42.45 | somiaj | blawiz_: second it appears you are attaching the rules to ip address not interfaces, The ones I am use to seeing seem to be just 1-2 rules on masq/forwarding of interfaces |
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| 16:43.46 | blawiz_ | somiaj, okok, found a howto that sounds like what youre talking about :) |
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| 16:47.39 | bs0d | mplayer is unable to open it |
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| 16:54.48 | Texou | hi :) |
| 16:55.20 | bs0d | Guys, Im afraid mplayer is unable to play .bdmv images. What software can I use instead which 100% is capable of playing contents of blueray images |
| 16:55.22 | bs0d | ? |
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| 16:55.42 | Texou | can you tell me if in wheezy, vbox-ose includes usb support? or do I need still vbox package (binary)? |
| 16:56.03 | somiaj | bs0d: check the output of mplayer, why is it not able to play it -- maybe it just needs something addional added to it |
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| 16:58.50 | thewanderer1 | aren't Blu-Ray discs encrypted with another convoluted scheme you need to bypass in order to actually watch them? |
| 16:58.58 | bs0d | mplayer sais could not connect to socket: No such file or directory. Failed to open LIRC support. You will not be able to use your remote control. Playing index.bdmv. Exining... (End of file). |
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| 17:08.50 | bs0d | what player is capable of playing blueray images apart from mplayer? |
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| 17:11.40 | hamush | hi, i'm on squeeze and trying to make use of the deb tags by searching for packages that contain multiple specific debtags that i'm interested in. i'm using the debtags program, but am having |
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| 17:11.52 | hamush | issues. does anyone have a good methodology for searching for packages by tag? |
| 17:12.51 | hamush | i'm trying debtags smartsearch +interesting::tag +interesting::tag2 and getting "unhandled command smartsearch" with no more info beyond that |
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| 17:16.08 | bs0d | there is an error in codecs... can't say exactly which codec, I have followed the instructions on the debian offsite, and now get relocation error in libavformat.so.52 |
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| 17:19.21 | guardian | i want to disable XOFF, should i do "stty -ixon" or "stty stop undef" ??? both give expected forward search behavior in bash |
| 17:20.18 | bs0d | that's ffmpeg library |
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| 17:20.37 | bs0d | when used with mplayer it has a relocation error |
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| 17:22.24 | bs0d | ffmpeg is broken? o_O |
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| 17:26.16 | thewanderer1 | I can vaguely recall a similar error happening when you install ffmpeg or some libs from debian-multimedia and mplayer from main, or the other way around - they need to be from the same source IIRC, otherwise you get incompatibilities |
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| 17:45.02 | Zeranoe | Hi, I'm wondering if anyone could tell me the font that is used in the linux terminal? Not an emulator, the font that is used with Ctrl+Alt+F1 |
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| 17:48.10 | hamush | Zeranoe: it is configurable by dpkg-reconfigure console-setup |
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| 17:48.24 | hamush | Zeranoe: by default, it's probably the font named VGA or Fixed, i'll wager |
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| 17:49.25 | hamush | the console uses a different font format than the font's you'd use in something like open office, so if you're trying to get that linux console look somewhere else, you might have to do something |
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| 17:49.26 | hamush | weird |
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| 17:50.00 | Zeranoe | hamush: Alright, thanks a lot for the info! |
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| 17:50.36 | hamush | no prob :) |
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| 18:05.40 | Rovanion | I'm at a complete standstill here. I got post fix running with a simple config: http://pastebin.com/w7D8Xvv0 Iptables has no rules, postfix is running, /etc/services has port 25 listed as smtp, and yet I'm unable to telnet 127.0.0.1 25 |
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| 18:06.38 | edju | I've lost my optical drive; it isn't recognized - no sr0 device. I installed wheezy using the netinst weekly build dated 1/30/12 and have updated. Might that have created the problem? |
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| 18:11.02 | s7r | what a faggot |
| 18:11.07 | s7r | :)) |
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| 18:13.36 | s7r | anyone can teach me how to create my public key and receive encrypted emails ? |
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| 18:14.24 | TheCox | google gpg |
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| 18:18.03 | hamush | s7r: gpg --gen-key && cat | gpg -e > ciphertext.gpg |
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| 18:21.52 | hamush | s7r: it's kind of a complex and abstract subject without a good real-world behavior analogue, though, so you'll probably be best served by reading a gpg howto/getting started guide |
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| 18:23.22 | ksuhku | Make sure you can install Debian also in the future http://www.fsf.org/campaigns/secure-boot-vs-restricted-boot/statement |
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| 18:23.45 | DexterF | hi |
| 18:24.09 | DexterF | do I need to pass -j to make to use multicores or has this been automated? |
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| 18:24.49 | hamush | DexterF: as far as i know, this still needs to be done |
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| 18:25.23 | hamush | you could test, though, by comparing make and make -j#'s effect on the load average |
| 18:26.09 | Dvorak_ | Anyone can think of something cool to do with a debian server? I'm bored. |
| 18:26.34 | boudiccas | Dvorak_; strip down the hard drive and clean the bearings |
| 18:26.41 | hamush | hahaha |
| 18:26.49 | Dvorak_ | What if it's an VPS? |
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| 18:27.07 | Dvorak_ | rm -r / :') |
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| 18:27.24 | hamush | there's lots of cool stuff you could do, Dvorak_, do you have any particular area that interests you? |
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| 18:27.58 | Dvorak_ | Well. Dunno. I already setup a web server, mail server, jabber server, rsync server... So whats left |
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| 18:28.32 | hamush | dns, maybe? that can be fun to play with |
| 18:28.43 | Dvorak_ | Tried that. But just broke on me. |
| 18:28.58 | Dvorak_ | A good idea doh |
| 18:29.08 | hamush | i was thinking the other day that it might be fun to hook something cute up to a tcp port that could be telnet'd into |
| 18:29.19 | Dvorak_ | Lol |
| 18:29.20 | hamush | something like those ascii art starwars telnet servers that i |
| 18:29.23 | hamush | 've seen around |
| 18:29.39 | jacobw | dns is an important thing to learn |
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| 18:30.05 | Dvorak_ | Back in the days there where BBS's those where cool. |
| 18:30.45 | Dvorak_ | DNS is important yes, but I could get it working. |
| 18:31.06 | hamush | and dns is ultra cool, too, all the hierarchical protocol stuff |
| 18:31.07 | Dvorak_ | And my registrar already has a good working DNS server |
| 18:31.24 | hamush | it's a fun design to learn about |
| 18:31.58 | Dvorak_ | Well. Mayby something less intrusive? |
| 18:32.36 | Dvorak_ | Actually the server runs Ubuntu Server at the moment. |
| 18:32.53 | Dvorak_ | But as Ubuntu sucks i'm going to migrate it to Debian. |
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| 18:33.31 | hamush | well, it seems like there's always more tweaking to be done on the e-mail side of things... server side spam stuff, junk mail controls/folder, both imap and pop support, webmail |
| 18:33.49 | Dvorak_ | LOL |
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| 18:33.55 | Dvorak_ | Almost tweaked everything |
| 18:34.02 | hamush | at least, that's my experience.. there's always 1 more thing i could do to make my email setup "perfect" :P |
| 18:34.26 | Dvorak_ | Yeah. Your right. But my mail server already has the whole deal |
| 18:34.33 | petemc | calendar server, activesync support |
| 18:34.48 | Dvorak_ | That's one of the reasons why I build my own server. |
| 18:35.04 | Dvorak_ | Serversided filter rules |
| 18:35.36 | Dvorak_ | Etcetera. :P |
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| 18:36.28 | Dvorak_ | I'm thinking about setting up a public jabber server. But I think it will be pretty much useless. |
| 18:36.36 | hamush | ha, i know what you need |
| 18:36.42 | hamush | asterisk server for voip |
| 18:36.51 | Dvorak_ | asterisk? :P |
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| 18:36.56 | Dvorak_ | Thats a bitch |
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| 18:37.30 | hamush | yeah, it's a beast, for sure |
| 18:37.39 | Dvorak_ | Nah. Asterisk has have any use. |
| 18:37.51 | Dvorak_ | hasnt |
| 18:37.57 | petemc | .... |
| 18:38.16 | Dvorak_ | I was thinking about a mirror for debian or something. But I don't have the resources |
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| 18:41.20 | hamush | might be fun to set up a package builder and host your own mirror of self built packages for personal use |
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| 18:41.44 | Dvorak_ | self build packages? |
| 18:42.05 | hamush | i find over time i collect tweaks or specialized versions of packages... i've thought about making a repo for them and making that my default package source |
| 18:42.28 | Dvorak_ | Ow in that way. |
| 18:42.31 | hamush | yeah, packages that you've compiled yourself, either to get special versions or tweaks or just because |
| 18:42.46 | Dvorak_ | I try to always you default stuff |
| 18:42.51 | Dvorak_ | use |
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| 18:44.25 | Dvorak_ | Mayby I should learn python.. .:P |
| 18:44.37 | hamush | definitely worth doing |
| 18:45.18 | Dvorak_ | I dunno. Didn't even know the language before I started using Ubuntu. |
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| 18:48.37 | jacobw | Dvorak_: dive in to python 3 |
| 18:50.07 | Dvorak_ | LOL. Designed by a Dutch person. |
| 18:50.16 | Dvorak_ | What's up with Dutch poeple and IT... |
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| 18:51.36 | jacobw | dutch people are awesome :) |
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| 18:52.58 | Dvorak_ | I'm Dutch |
| 18:53.44 | jhutchins_lt | I know there's nothing else going on here, but you guys need to take it to a chat room, maybe just #debian-offtopic |
| 18:53.56 | Dvorak_ | :P |
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| 18:54.47 | Woet | i'm rather sure Dutch people do not have disproportional percentage of contributions compared to other modern countries |
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| 18:55.18 | Dvorak_ | Well it sometimes look like it. |
| 18:55.47 | Dvorak_ | But i'll be quiet in here. :P |
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| 18:57.50 | Innocentus | hi |
| 18:58.40 | Dvorak_ | Hello |
| 18:59.13 | gsr | Hi all. I'm trying to create a Debian USB install stick. I've downloaded an iso (debian-6.0.4-amd64-netinst.iso). Following the debian manual (Section 4.3), I'm trying to "cat debian-6.0.4-amd64-netinst.iso > /dev/sdc1" I know that sdc1 is the correct drive, and it's not mounted. I am using a rootshell. But I'm still getting a "oermission denied" error. Anyone know what else would cause this? |
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| 19:00.02 | zykotick9 | gsr: it's not sdc1 it's sdc - to the drive not a partition |
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| 19:00.31 | gsr | zykotick9: ahh of course, stupid me. thanks |
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| 19:06.04 | mackminer | hi guys, I'm trying to output data from a ping into a variable within a bash script, I can get the reply into output using cut but at the end of the ping the summary data messes it up. I don't seem to be able to cut specific lines with said command. |
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| 19:07.21 | Dvorak_ | Hi mackminer mayby I can help you |
| 19:07.43 | mackminer | Dvorak_: Cool |
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| 19:13.05 | zykotick9 | mackminer: if i where you, i'd consider asking in #bash good luck |
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| 19:13.47 | jhutchins | mackminer: What are you trying to capture? |
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| 19:14.53 | LinuxGuy2009 | Hey guys is there a tool to benchmark a filesystem? I'm about to try softraid and wanted to run a benchmark before I wipe the system. |
| 19:15.11 | dondelelcaro | LinuxGuy2009: there are lots of them, see bonnie++ or similar |
| 19:15.35 | mackminer | Without knowing much I've just layed out a logical plan of what i want my script to do http://pastebin.com/vHCKMtPv |
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| 19:16.48 | LinuxGuy2009 | dondelelcaro: is it command line only or does it also have a gui? I dont mind either way, just wondered. |
| 19:18.55 | dondelelcaro | LinuxGuy2009: command line only, IIRC. |
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| 19:27.25 | Innocentus | hi |
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| 19:28.05 | Innocentus | I have correctly set up two cifs shares pointing on a folder on a windows network computer |
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| 19:28.39 | Innocentus | this works well, but during startup the mysql server which data-dir is located on that share cannot find it mounted |
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| 19:29.23 | Innocentus | this is probably because during boot the mysql server is started up _before_ the fstab is parsed and the mounts mounted |
| 19:29.53 | Innocentus | so how can I change the start sequence of mysql server so that it is started _after_ the mounting is done |
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| 19:30.24 | Innocentus | I already asked this here and someone helped me to set up the fstab correctly, but the error persists |
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| 19:34.21 | somiaj | the LSB init scripts are supose to help with this, but if the mounting of the cifs lags a bit not sure how that will effect bootup |
| 19:35.08 | somiaj | look at the initscript for mysql, you will see that it requires certian other scripts to have ran first. But just because the mounting script runs first (after parsing fstab) there could still be some lag between the running of that script and the availablity of the mount |
| 19:35.38 | somiaj | yea seems $remote_fs is already Required-Start for the mysql script. |
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| 19:48.42 | nythrow | Hello guys. |
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| 19:50.19 | nythrow | I've problem with Xfce4. I can't mount usb drives via Thunar. http://goo.gl/1GkvE |
| 19:50.24 | nythrow | Here are some logs. |
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| 19:53.25 | nythrow | Any solutions? |
| 19:53.32 | nythrow | I get error messege with "Not Authorized." |
| 19:54.09 | warai | sudo mount? |
| 19:54.44 | nythrow | warai: What about is this question? I would like to mount via Thunar. It is obvious I can do it with root privilliges. |
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| 19:55.00 | nythrow | *What is this question about? |
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| 19:55.26 | warai | ok I don't know the answer for that |
| 19:55.53 | warai | that was just a temporal solution in case you needed to mount the drive asap |
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| 20:03.18 | sukaeto | hi everyone |
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| 20:03.34 | nythrow | sukaeto: o/ |
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| 20:03.49 | sukaeto | I've discovered a useful bit of information that'll probably help some other Debian users |
| 20:03.56 | sukaeto | I'm not sure how to get it out there, though |
| 20:04.03 | sukaeto | I guess I should describe the situation: |
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| 20:04.30 | sukaeto | I've got a AMD motherboard with built in sound - an "ATI Technologies Inc SBx00 Azalia" |
| 20:04.46 | tjf | Is there an easy way to undo some updates I did with update manager? |
| 20:04.48 | sukaeto | it uses the snd-hda-intel driver |
| 20:05.06 | sukaeto | anyway, with the out-of-the-box settings |
| 20:05.43 | sukaeto | any kind of recording you attempt with a sampling rate over 16kHz has a cracking/popping sound in it |
| 20:05.50 | sukaeto | almost like you're oversampling |
| 20:06.20 | sukaeto | you can fix the issue by loading the module with position_fix=3 |
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| 20:06.46 | sukaeto | (which of course you can set it to do that automatically in /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf) |
| 20:07.12 | sukaeto | there's some info on it in this Ubuntu bug report (near the bottom): https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-driver/+bug/810693 |
| 20:07.32 | sukaeto | I mean, I'm not sure where else to share this |
| 20:07.42 | sukaeto | it seems like filing a bug report isn't the right thing to do |
| 20:07.52 | sukaeto | a) This is a problem in the driver, not in Debian |
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| 20:08.20 | sukaeto | b) Just setting position_fix=3 by default would probably mess things up for other users with different cards which use that driver |
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| 20:09.45 | MRCracker | hi all, how i can make a static arp address? |
| 20:09.55 | MRCracker | to prevent from MITM |
| 20:10.45 | tjf | meh, nevermind |
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| 20:14.03 | MRCracker | not any idea? |
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| 20:16.53 | symptom | MRCracker, you cant really do that. |
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| 20:18.10 | MRCracker | why?, it is possible in M$ |
| 20:18.11 | MRCracker | http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc781485(v=WS.10).aspx |
| 20:18.34 | blawiz | i got internet sharing working, from my laptop to my stationary. How does one add encryption? should it be enough to add wpa-ssid & wpa-psk lines in both /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 20:18.35 | symptom | anyone on the network can respond to an ARP however they want. That is how arp poisoning works. An attacker can simply respond to any ARP. |
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| 20:19.32 | symptom | MRCracker, probably a better topic for ##security or ##networking. I think you mean statically define your ARP cache translation? And ignore all RARPs? |
| 20:19.57 | MRCracker | symptom: yes, only for gateway |
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| 20:22.01 | symptom | MRCracker, there is a linux command for manipluating the arp cache. It is called, surprisingly, 'arp'. Ive never used it, so you will have to read the man page. |
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| 20:23.13 | symptom | MRCracker, fyi, it is in sbin so you will have to su or sudo |
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| 20:24.11 | cthuluh | though you can run arp with root privileges |
| 20:24.32 | symptom | cthuluh, *without ? |
| 20:24.50 | symptom | ~$ arp |
| 20:24.50 | symptom | bash: arp: command not found |
| 20:25.03 | cthuluh | /usr/sbin/arp |
| 20:25.18 | cthuluh | PATH is another problem |
| 20:25.21 | symptom | oh yea, ok, i gotcha |
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| 20:26.24 | MRCracker | ok, thanks |
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| 20:27.35 | qdb | hello. i asked how to make color in ctrl alt f1 console white background. answer said here worked but not after restart |
| 20:27.50 | qdb | that is root console... |
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| 20:36.54 | Innocentus | right, it is a lagg |
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| 20:38.47 | Innocentus | somiaj: yes, it is a lagg. I just found out that sometimes the server can successfully access the mounted data |
| 20:38.56 | Innocentus | is this bad programmed or what is the reason for this? |
| 20:39.00 | Innocentus | async? |
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| 20:46.27 | somiaj | Innocentus: It is more that what happens in the case this mount is not availaible, do you want your whole system to pause and wait for something that is not there. |
| 20:46.39 | somiaj | Innocentus: there really isn't a nice sane way that will always work in an automatic situation |
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| 20:48.21 | Innocentus | somiaj: ah, the debian installation uses runit which concurrently boots |
| 20:48.36 | Innocentus | somiaj: so runit boots the mounts and server paralelly = race condition |
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| 20:54.34 | bantamug | can anyone recommend a desktop search tool on Debian? like spotlight / google desktop search? |
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| 20:56.01 | abrotman | judd: info beagle --release squeeze |
| 20:56.03 | judd | No package named 'beagle' was found in squeeze/i386. |
| 20:56.07 | abrotman | does that still exist ? guess not |
| 20:56.22 | abrotman | replcaed by gnome-do ? |
| 20:56.48 | bantamug | abrotman: don't think gnome-do can index files - just a glorified launcher, non? |
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| 20:57.15 | abrotman | it will look for files |
| 20:57.26 | kleanchap | I want to run a European DVD on a US desktop running Debian 6. Is there anyway to get past the region code barrier on Linux? I thought I could watch the movie in the local language to learn the language, but I am stuck now. |
| 20:57.29 | somiaj | Innocentus: the LSBinit scripts change that a bit, somethings are run in parallel, while others are not. as I said the mysql init.d script requires $remote_fs to have been run fist. The issue is that is run first but just because it is run doens't make the remote mounts available. |
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| 20:58.58 | fosstux | Hi! How can I make permissions permanent - even if the file is deleted and recreated? A fried is using python on a server with ispconfig |
| 20:59.30 | somiaj | Innocentus: in your case there may be various ways to improve the scripts to make sure mysql doesn't run until after the mounts are availaible, you just need some timeout as such so the script doesn't pause indefinteally. |
| 20:59.58 | fosstux | When the file is recreated it belongs to a user for ispconfig, who has rwx as permissions but no one else. |
| 21:00.13 | fosstux | I'd like to set the permissions to rw-rw-rw |
| 21:00.17 | fosstux | but how? |
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| 21:00.42 | somiaj | fosstux: have you looked into UMASK? |
| 21:00.43 | Innocentus | somiaj: thank you |
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| 21:01.32 | somiaj | fosstux: that is a way to set default primisions on files/directories that are created. (though certain applications my override these defaults it catches most things) |
| 21:01.49 | fosstux | thanks - I'll try |
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| 21:03.10 | somiaj | Innocentus: hope it gives you some ideas, simple fix may be add some sort of 'sleep time' in the mysql init script to give mysql a bit longer before it tries to bring itself up. |
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| 21:04.41 | fosstux | it did not work |
| 21:04.43 | Some_Person | This isn't so much a debian issue, but I'm not sure where to ask. My internet connection is working fine (http://www.speedtest.net/result/1783784810.png), but on YouTube, my speed is awful (http://i.imgur.com/jnKQO.png) |
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| 21:06.44 | somiaj | fosstux: what file system are you doing this on? What is creating the directory? |
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| 21:07.07 | somiaj | fosstux: or file |
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| 21:10.34 | somiaj | actually it appears umask is a property of the shell (not the filesystem), so this may depend on what shell is running the script fosstux |
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| 21:11.58 | petemc | somiaj: theres a mount umask as well as the shell one |
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| 21:21.38 | alex- | I don't really understand why I should use DLNA over Samba |
| 21:21.43 | alex- | Anyone can help me out? |
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| 21:26.09 | timo | alex-: I don't understand what DLNA over Samba would even mean |
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| 21:26.43 | alex- | timo: what are the advantages of using dlna instead of samba |
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| 21:27.20 | timo | ah. that I don't know. I use DLNA, because my PS3 doesn't support Samba |
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| 21:29.24 | tremon | alex-: you should choose DLNA over samba because dlna needs no configuration |
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| 21:29.54 | tremon | alex-: you should not choose DLNA over samba because dlna has no security |
| 21:30.01 | alex- | uh |
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| 21:30.58 | alex- | but configuration isn't a problem |
| 21:31.00 | alex- | neither is security |
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| 21:31.28 | tremon | then you should ask more confined questions :) |
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| 21:32.14 | alex- | like |
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| 21:40.55 | Y0Gi | hi. I'm looking for a way to create checksum files in "portable" mode. I'm damn sure sha1sum has such a switch, but I can't find anything about it in the manpage. |
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| 21:41.25 | Y0Gi | I created "portable" checksum files just a few months ago; they have a question mark ('?') right in front of the file name |
| 21:41.44 | waldvogel | and what are they good for? |
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| 21:42.01 | Y0Gi | can anyone enlighten me how I can create such checksums again? maybe I just used a similar checksum tool? |
| 21:42.18 | ksuhku | md5sum? |
| 21:42.30 | Y0Gi | waldvogel: honestly, I can't remember. but as I use those files on different platforms, I had a reason to think that it was a good idea. |
| 21:42.38 | nkuttler | what's a "portable mode" for a checksum? |
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| 21:43.00 | Y0Gi | ksuhku: I did create SHA1 sums, and the manpage of md5sum doesn't say anything about it either |
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| 21:43.16 | nkuttler | still wonders what "it" is |
| 21:43.22 | Y0Gi | also, searching google for command line switches and the like got even harder ;) |
| 21:44.10 | Y0Gi | nkuttler: I just remember that there was a switch for that mode. maybe it calculated the checksums differently, maybe it forced binary mode, maybe it handled file names in the output differently ... |
| 21:44.23 | nkuttler | "that mode"? |
| 21:44.46 | Y0Gi | nkuttler: yea, "portable mode", as I initially stated. |
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| 21:44.53 | nkuttler | good luck |
| 21:45.33 | Y0Gi | well, as a matter of fact, I do have checksum files with that specific symbol in them, and I didn't add it by hand. |
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| 21:45.59 | nkuttler | Y0Gi: pastebin some output or post a screenshot. no idea wtf you're talking about |
| 21:46.07 | waldvogel | yogi: ah, maybe you mean the password hash? |
| 21:46.16 | Y0Gi | is there some kind of specification/RFC on checksum tool outputs where I might find more information? |
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| 21:47.05 | Y0Gi | the difference is between <checksum hash> <filename> (default) and <checksum hash> ?<filename> regarding the output |
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| 21:47.47 | Y0Gi | and IIRC, there was a second symbol to indicate something; I think it was the asterisk ('*'), meant to indicate binary |
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| 21:48.25 | nkuttler | Y0Gi: ummmmm... sounds like normal ls output with --classify |
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| 21:48.29 | Y0Gi | is there another common checksum CLI tool, maybe one that can use different hash algorithms? |
| 21:48.41 | nkuttler | Y0Gi: pastebin some output or post a screenshot. no idea wtf you're talking about |
| 21:49.13 | waldvogel | yogi: not many options, this?: sha1sum -b |
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| 21:51.17 | aussa | hi, wicd is failing to connect to wep networks, I tried this: http://tolearnfree.blogspot.com/2009/12/how-to-connect-on-open-wep-wlan-via.html with no result? is there other way to do connect? I'm using wheezy |
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| 21:51.39 | Y0Gi | nkuttler: here you go: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/553635/ |
| 21:51.56 | nkuttler | Y0Gi: what waldvogel said |
| 21:52.16 | nkuttler | and really... why do you call this portable!? |
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| 21:53.51 | Y0Gi | waldvogel, nkuttler: the '-b' switch uses an asterisk instead of the second space, but I used a different mode that inserted a question mark instead |
| 21:54.12 | Y0Gi | and no, I'm not mixing them up |
| 21:54.45 | waldvogel | aussa: 1. don't use WEP... even I can hack it. 2. network-manager is pretty good 3. there's also the command line stuff: http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse |
| 21:54.48 | nkuttler | Y0Gi: well a good first step would be to figure what kind of checksum that is and then to read the right manpage |
| 21:55.07 | Y0Gi | nkuttler: it is a SHA1 checksum |
| 21:55.17 | nkuttler | well there you go |
| 21:55.27 | waldvogel | yogi: so use sed/awk whatever to alter the output to what you need |
| 21:55.29 | Y0Gi | nkuttler: I knew that right from the start |
| 21:55.44 | nkuttler | exactly... throw it at sed if you want a random char inserted |
| 21:55.53 | Y0Gi | waldvogel: because I'm not sure if the checksums are the same in those modes. what would the point be in prepending a question mark then? |
| 21:56.13 | Y0Gi | *sigh* |
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| 21:56.47 | nkuttler | what on earth is that ? supposed to indicate? "portable" is just something you made up, is it not? |
| 21:57.12 | wolfric | what would be xrdp's main bottle neck in speed? |
| 21:57.20 | waldvogel | yogi: the checksum should always be the same... otherwise sha1 would be broken |
| 21:57.23 | wolfric | like processing power, latency, bandwidth etc? |
| 21:57.37 | Y0Gi | aha, here we go: I used shasum, not sha1sum, and that has a '-p' flag and a manpage describing it. |
| 21:57.40 | Agiofws | hello |
| 21:58.02 | wolfric | i'm finding xrdp to be quite slow on a network connection of 100 megs with pretty good processing power, 4 gigs of memory |
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| 21:58.26 | nkuttler | Y0Gi: at last :) |
| 21:58.49 | Agiofws | anyone could help me use openoffice spread sheet with some functions ? |
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| 21:59.34 | Y0Gi | nkuttler: yeah, in spite of your skepticism :) |
| 21:59.57 | Y0Gi | waldvogel: well, I'd assume text mode and binary mode read files differently |
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| 22:00.02 | Some_Person | This isn't so much a debian issue, but I'm not sure where to ask. My internet connection is working fine (http://www.speedtest.net/result/1783784810.png), but on YouTube, my speed is awful (http://i.imgur.com/jnKQO.png) |
| 22:00.46 | waldvogel | yogi: hmm, well, binary should always be the same then I guess. text could have issues with character encoding |
| 22:00.47 | Y0Gi | btw, the point of "portable mode" is "produces the same digest on Windows/Unix/Mac" |
| 22:01.07 | calculon | can you ban "danrl"? He is nazi. Always calling me a jew in private messages. |
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| 22:01.21 | Y0Gi | waldvogel: exactly. but then again, I did't see a way to influence which character set would be used. |
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| 22:01.34 | waldvogel | yogi: so why not use binary? |
| 22:01.36 | kripz | best brand of hw raid for linux? highpoint, adaptec, 3ware, other? |
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| 22:01.54 | Lamez | Hello, how is everyone? |
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| 22:02.06 | Trewas | Y0Gi: text and binary modes are quite clear (text mangles line changes, binary mangles nothing), the mystery is what the hell does the portable mode do |
| 22:02.11 | calculon | I'm fine and how are you, bitch? |
| 22:02.13 | Y0Gi | waldvogel: because the existence of the "portable mode" somewhat indicates that using binary mode on different platforms to both create and verify checksums would yield different results |
| 22:02.39 | nkuttler | Y0Gi: doubtful.. possible i guess but that sounds wrong |
| 22:02.47 | Trewas | Y0Gi: no, binary mode will always produce the same checksum for the same file |
| 22:03.00 | Lamez | Wait, did I just get called a Bitch? |
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| 22:03.13 | Y0Gi | Trewas: I currently don't bother to check the sources, but some wild guesses would include filename handling. which basically has nothing to do with reading the raw data, of course. |
| 22:03.26 | waldvogel | yogi: it indicates that... but i don't know what to make of this mode, sounds like it's written to fail |
| 22:03.45 | nkuttler | Y0Gi: checksums should be about file contents |
| 22:03.50 | calculon | ur mom said u r a bitch |
| 22:04.00 | nkuttler | calculon: drop it |
| 22:04.01 | Y0Gi | might do some detailed hands-on research on multiple platforms when I have a boring day or two ;) |
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| 22:04.15 | calculon | Why? I hate people! |
| 22:04.32 | Lamez | Anywho, I wrote a tutorial and I was wondering if you guys know of a good spot to post it? |
| 22:04.40 | Y0Gi | well, I don't know the gory details behind that "portable" idea, I just blindly followed it, hoping it might save me some trouble |
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| 22:05.09 | waldvogel | yogi: let's just hope it doesn't cause you problems :) |
| 22:05.12 | Trewas | Y0Gi: or just get on with life and use the binary mode, none of the current checksum tools have that option so doesn't seem too important |
| 22:05.14 | Y0Gi | anyway, thanks for providing dedication to the subject |
| 22:05.21 | Y0Gi | waldvogel: hehe, yeah |
| 22:05.34 | Y0Gi | Trewas: true |
| 22:05.51 | Y0Gi | but you never know what the Perl hackers had in mind ;) |
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| 22:06.26 | danrl | gosh, what an idiot! highlighted me for nothing, i really hate that. |
| 22:06.37 | Y0Gi | (shasum is a Perl script, seemingly using its own module to generate those checksums) |
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| 22:06.55 | Y0Gi | (which sounds not that clever WRT performance, but anyway) |
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| 22:07.45 | Lamez | Any one? |
| 22:09.04 | Y0Gi | bye |
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| 22:09.36 | ompaul | ... pick a forum or some such |
| 22:09.52 | amphi | Lamez: a tutorial about what? |
| 22:10.17 | Lamez | Setting up a Transparent Proxy using Squid3 and Debian 6. |
| 22:10.45 | amphi | maybe debian wiki? |
| 22:10.46 | Lamez | I wasn't able to find a complete tutorial and it took me several months of research over networking to do something so simple, so I wanted to share. |
| 22:11.20 | ompaul | wiki.debian.org |
| 22:11.58 | Lamez | Which page, do you think? |
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| 22:15.56 | ompaul | Lamez: search in the wiki using the text button for transparent proxy |
| 22:16.04 | jamesd | damm sometimes you get to relize how fast CLI linux is on modern hardware despite giving it just 256MB of memory |
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| 22:16.16 | ompaul | Lamez: or create a page and link to dansg and others |
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| 22:17.17 | Lamez | Oh okay. |
| 22:17.28 | Lamez | What is dansg? |
| 22:17.30 | Lamez | lol |
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| 22:18.47 | ompaul | Lamez: dans guardian |
| 22:19.17 | Lamez | Oh, okay. |
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| 22:22.42 | Agiofws | how can i add to time cells together ? |
| 22:23.00 | Agiofws | http://imagebin.org/199720 |
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| 22:28.17 | ompaul | Agiofws: saving it as a csv, split the TIME\( out and the \) away from the numbers (sed and awk for that) then converting time to seconds, following that add the seconds using bc -l and then turn it back to time all good fun |
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| 22:30.41 | Agiofws | ompaul, its already a spread sheet whats the purposes of saving it ? |
| 22:31.02 | Agiofws | ompaul, can't i do that in openoffice with out editing manually ? |
| 22:31.15 | ompaul | Agiofws: I can do it in bash, can't do it in openoffice cos I don't know how to use macros - so there you go |
| 22:31.27 | ompaul | there is an openoffice help channel this is not it ;-) |
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| 22:32.01 | Agiofws | its kinda non active |
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| 22:32.43 | ompaul | Agiofws: ask during the week .eu work days and then .us work day times |
| 22:33.02 | Agiofws | heh ok |
| 22:33.11 | ompaul | Agiofws: also the way I gave you will work very fast if you can even think like that |
| 22:33.37 | ompaul | Agiofws: how often do you need to do this? |
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| 22:35.29 | Agiofws | just once |
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| 22:36.16 | ompaul | do it by hand |
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| 22:39.44 | zachk | I have downloaded a *.deb, how do I install it from the command line? |
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| 22:40.21 | toolz | good evening, is there anyone abailable for help? I want to redelegate more /24's to other nameservers from my server but bind9 seems to show errors like: in-addr.arpa.db:18: ignoring out-of-zone data and ...in-addr.arpa.db/IN: has no NS records - zone not loaded due to errors thus I have added the zone correctly (thats what I think) |
| 22:41.20 | civillian | toolz: my guess is you have borked it. |
| 22:41.41 | toolz | civillian, what do you need to know to see what am I doing wrong? |
| 22:42.01 | toolz | I mean I havent, I just try to create the zone of the /24 but it doesn't load it. |
| 22:42.04 | civillian | toolz: whatever you're doing on line 18 of in-addr.arpa.db would be a start |
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| 22:42.35 | toolz | xxx.46.89.in-addr.arpa. 14400 IN NS ns1.xxxxx.com. |
| 22:42.35 | toolz | xxx.46.89.in-addr.arpa. 14400 IN NS ns2.xxxxx.com. |
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| 22:42.48 | toolz | here are the lines after the SOA |
| 22:43.16 | civillian | best not paste here |
| 22:43.24 | toolz | sorry. |
| 22:45.32 | civillian | bbiaf; coffee |
| 22:45.41 | toolz | ok enjoy |
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| 22:47.24 | asarch | How do you reconfigure services from command line interface? |
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| 22:50.43 | boudiccas | asarch; which services in particular? |
| 22:50.52 | asarch | Web service |
| 22:51.07 | asarch | I would like to change the default web server (Apache) to nginx |
| 22:51.55 | boudiccas | man apache + man nginx |
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| 22:53.00 | asarch | Mmmm... there is a GUI option (in the GNOME shell) called "Services". Is there any like this for the CLI environment? |
| 22:53.49 | ksuhku | sysv-rc-conf ? |
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| 22:56.40 | ompaul | boudiccas: how about saying things like service apache2 stop update.rc-d -f apache2 remove and moving on from there apt-get install nginx and stuff |
| 22:58.01 | asarch | ? |
| 22:58.19 | boudiccas | ompaul; because i know nothing of apache or nginx except to look at the man pages |
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| 23:00.33 | ompaul | asarch: to stop apache2 from starting update.rc-d -f apache2 remove - stops it on the next time you restart want to stop it now, then use service apache2 stop but that will let it start next time, upon installing a program which is a service in debian it is usually started on install |
| 23:01.19 | ompaul | service nginx start (assuming that's it's daemons name --- can I say that is the deamonic name har har ) |
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| 23:02.03 | ompaul | asarch: after that you need to get into the bones of the servers to make head or tail of vservers and the rest and that is best dealt with in their documentation |
| 23:02.06 | Kamping_Kaiser | fwiw, the best way to set nginx to default is to remove apache ... |
| 23:02.20 | asarch | !? |
| 23:02.26 | ompaul | Kamping_Kaiser: only if he really wants that ;) my next line |
| 23:02.43 | ompaul | asarch: apt-get remove --purge apache2 makes apache go away |
| 23:03.00 | Kamping_Kaiser | ompaul: :) |
| 23:03.06 | asarch | Bingo! sysv-rc-conf is quiet comfortable |
| 23:03.32 | engla | update-rc.d is easier to use almost |
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| 23:03.50 | ompaul | asarch: update-rc.d is your friend you should have a look at it |
| 23:04.11 | Kamping_Kaiser | otoh, update-rc.d isn't meant to be run by users, only package maintainance scripts. that there is nothing better and well known is the problem |
| 23:04.24 | Kamping_Kaiser | chkconfig can be installed, but i don't know if it works with != sysvinit |
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| 23:05.45 | ompaul | Kamping_Kaiser: I'm not a package maintainance script whodathunkit |
| 23:07.03 | Kamping_Kaiser | ompaul: i dunno sometimes :) |
| 23:07.38 | ompaul | right if you are here it is late in my current TZ |
| 23:07.53 | ompaul | g'night there mate take care |
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| 23:30.54 | ggz | hi |
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| 23:32.33 | ggz | i just installed debian on an old mac g3 and no packages are found when i try to install something, when i apt-get update, there is some 404 on powerpc-binary, could someone help me please ? |
| 23:32.39 | ggz | wheezy |
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| 23:33.51 | Kamping_Kaiser | ggz: which packages? |
| 23:35.31 | arietis | i'm trying to set up proftpd but it says cannot start in standalone nor in inetd mode. check configuration |
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| 23:36.09 | arietis | can anyone give me generic config? |
| 23:36.19 | arietis | which will work for me |
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| 23:38.54 | nkuttler | arietis: try /usr/share/doc/proftpd/ |
| 23:38.57 | ggz | Kamping_Kaiser: for example xserver-xorg, but also links or lynx, it seems the only packages present are those on the cd1, but i am not sure. yet i think have a correct source list |
| 23:39.51 | nkuttler | ggz: hm, did you add any debian mirrors to your /etc/apt/sources.list ? apt-get update? |
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| 23:41.37 | ggz | nkuttler: yes, i have "deb http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian/ wheezy main non-free contrib" i have tested others mirror (de, fr, ...) |
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| 23:42.14 | nkuttler | ggz: apt-get update && apt-cache policy links |
| 23:42.53 | ggz | mmm, the bad news is i can't access to the mac at the moment :/ |
| 23:43.13 | nkuttler | well, fix that |
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| 23:44.43 | ggz | ok, i will come back later when my girlfriend will not be sleeping so i can't turn on the noisy computer :p |
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| 23:44.55 | ggz | thanks |
| 23:45.01 | Kamping_Kaiser | judd: help versions |
| 23:45.01 | judd | (versions <pattern> [--arch <i386>] [--release <stable>]) -- Show the available versions of a package in the optionally specified release and for the given architecture. All current releases and i386 are searched by default. By default, binary packages are searched; prefix the packagename with "src:" to search source packages. |
| 23:45.36 | Kamping_Kaiser | judd: versions lynx --arch powerpc --wheezy |
| 23:45.37 | judd | (versions <pattern> [--arch <i386>] [--release <stable>]) -- Show the available versions of a package in the optionally specified release and for the given architecture. All current releases and i386 are searched by default. By default, binary packages are searched; prefix the packagename with "src:" to search source packages. |
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| 23:45.59 | Kamping_Kaiser | judd: versions lynx --arch powerpc --release wheezy |
| 23:46.00 | judd | Package: lynx on powerpc -- wheezy: 2.8.8dev.9-3 |
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| 23:46.18 | Kamping_Kaiser | ggz: what version are you getting a 404 on? |
| 23:47.18 | ggz | i'm not sure to understand, you mean the version of lynx ? i just typed apt-get install lynx |
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| 23:53.50 | Kamping_Kaiser | and what was the erorr |
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| 23:54.23 | diabl0z | hello |
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| 23:54.48 | diabl0z | ive a question |
| 23:54.53 | diabl0z | someone want to help me ? |
| 23:54.58 | ggz | hard to remember exactly (and i'm not english native) but you know, this kind of error which says the package cannot be found but there is some trace in the database |
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| 23:55.38 | lstarnes | diabl0z: you should probably just ask the question |
| 23:56.03 | diabl0z | maybe :D |
| 23:56.38 | diabl0z | i have a debian squeeze acting like gateway on my subnet 192.168.2, router is 192.168.2.1 and debian is 192.168.2.100 |
| 23:56.52 | diabl0z | router is connected to a switch |
| 23:57.05 | diabl0z | and debian and some other machines are connected to the switch |
| 23:57.10 | acx0 | does anyone know why ,when using the -v flag for cp or mv, the first quote in the filename is a backtick and the second is a single quote? |
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| 23:57.31 | diabl0z | all machines have 192.168.2.100 as gatewayt |
| 23:57.43 | diabl0z | and debian have only 1 NIC eth' |
| 23:57.45 | diabl0z | eth0 |
| 23:58.05 | Braniac | question: when i compile a kernel fom source from /usr/src/ with make-kpkg --initrd --append-to-version=-1st kernel_image kernel_headers kernel_source, the i install the .deb image and headers (in that order), why it doesn't work on the same machine but with debian installed from scratch ??? |
| 23:58.09 | Braniac | anyone knows??? |
| 23:58.11 | diabl0z | i have to set masquerade on iptables to make them navigate' |
| 23:58.32 | themill | acx0: it's a fairly old and crappy tradition to pretend that `...' are paired like “...” or ‘...’ |
| 23:58.36 | diabl0z | iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -s 192.168.2.0/24 -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE |
| 23:58.40 | diabl0z | this is enough? |
| 23:59.32 | acx0 | themill, I see, always wondered why they weren't just both single quotes; thanks |
| 23:59.37 | engla | acx0: it's a traditional way of writing quotes, you can still use it in Latex |
| 23:59.58 | engla | acx0: as in LaTeX |
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