| 00:00.57 | boudiccas | taken from the menu this is the path to libreoffice writer .................... libreoffice3.5 --writer %U |
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| 00:02.42 | boudiccas | nkuttler; this is the output of ls ............ ls -d /usr/share/doc/libreoffice* ls: cannot access /usr/share/doc/libreoffice*: No such file or directory |
| 00:02.55 | nkuttler | boudiccas: so dpkg -S `which libreoffice3.5` |
| 00:03.19 | nkuttler | boudiccas: and in the future don't just download random .debs from random sites.. |
| 00:03.39 | themill | istr the OOo .debs were fairly random in how they did things, what they were named etc |
| 00:03.50 | boudiccas | nkuttler; libreoffice-debian-menus: /usr/bin/libreoffice3.5 |
| 00:04.00 | nkuttler | :| |
| 00:04.50 | streuner | themill: that would be a interesting convo with _rene_ :-) |
| 00:04.57 | nkuttler | boudiccas: try apt-cache rdepends libreoffice-debian-menus |
| 00:05.08 | nkuttler | boudiccas: btw.. are you sure you only installed one .deb file? |
| 00:05.47 | boudiccas | nkuttler; no, it was a whole host of them done with sudo dpkg -i *.deb |
| 00:05.48 | themill | streuner: they started getting better when he took them over. I don't know what they're doing with libo packaging. |
| 00:05.51 | sirtophat | why does almost every software maker insist on making the software have stupid stipulations about running as root |
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| 00:06.58 | nkuttler | boudiccas: actually... just install debfoster, run it, and be done with it.. |
| 00:07.10 | boudiccas | nkuttler; this is the putput of the latest command ........ apt-cache rdepends libreoffice-debian-menus ibreoffice-debian-menus Reverse Depends: libreoffice-debian-menus libreoffice-debian-menus |
| 00:07.52 | beardy | disposable2: http://wiki.debian.org/GrubTransition at the bottom. Use linux16 instead of linux and initrd16 instead of initrd, when booting and editing the command line. |
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| 00:09.13 | jack1 | Ive tried everything cannot get detection for "airmon-ng" |
| 00:09.34 | streuner | judd, versions airmon-ng |
| 00:09.36 | judd | No package named 'airmon-ng' was found in i386. |
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| 00:11.14 | boudiccas | nkuttler; using debfoster can i put ..... sudo debfoster libreoffice ............? |
| 00:11.17 | beardy | !nofb is also http://wiki.debian.org/GrubTransition (search linux16) |
| 00:11.18 | dpkg | beardy: okay |
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| 00:11.33 | nkuttler | boudiccas: no. just sudo debfoster. and then work through the list |
| 00:11.48 | boudiccas | nkuttler; ok, thanks |
| 00:12.07 | disposable2 | Beardy i'm trying fglrx installation now. |
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| 00:17.53 | disposable2 | Beardy: Fglrx fixed it. And thanks for all the fish |
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| 00:28.34 | boudiccas | i have the follwoing line in my sources.list ......... deb http://backports.debian.org/debian-backports squeeze-backports main ......... can i install libreoffice with ..........sudo apt-get install libreoffice ............ please? |
| 00:28.37 | sirtophat | is there a simple solution to stream /dev/dsp over the internet in a way that can be received by VLC/WMP/whatever as an m3u/pls/whatever |
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| 00:30.22 | nkuttler | boudiccas: why don't you try it? |
| 00:31.04 | themill | reading the instructions on the backports web page may also be enlightening |
| 00:31.17 | nkuttler | boudiccas: and please start using a pastebin and less useless punctuation |
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| 00:32.57 | abrotman | nkuttler: what is .. useless punctuation? :) |
| 00:33.30 | nkuttler | abrotman: dunno....................... i guess i just made it up.... |
| 00:33.38 | dvs | ??? |
| 00:34.00 | abrotman | thinks nkuttler missed the joke |
| 00:34.06 | boudiccas | nkuttler; k, http://pastebin.com/6KAnayiF |
| 00:34.44 | boudiccas | it looks like incomplete deinstallation, so back to debfoster then :( |
| 00:34.55 | nkuttler | boudiccas: add the commmand you used as well |
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| 00:37.07 | boudiccas | nkuttler; http://pastebin.com/t643nMAB |
| 00:37.46 | themill | boudiccas: (a) try aptitude (b) read the backports instructions page again |
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| 00:41.38 | chaospsychex | hi |
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| 00:48.27 | ippx | what is the best way do display a file without opening it? |
| 00:48.41 | ippx | text file |
| 00:48.47 | sirtophat | cat |
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| 00:48.58 | sirtophat | wait |
| 00:49.03 | sirtophat | display it without opening it? |
| 00:49.03 | AimHere | That opens the file doesn't it? |
| 00:49.07 | ippx | do i have to pipe it? |
| 00:49.10 | sirtophat | what do you mean by display |
| 00:49.19 | nkuttler | ippx: command < file ? |
| 00:49.37 | sirtophat | that sounds impossible by definition |
| 00:49.43 | ippx | show on screen but without using a text editor |
| 00:49.56 | sirtophat | yeah, cat displays it without being an editor |
| 00:49.59 | AimHere | Oh, in that case, cat/more/less should do |
| 00:50.04 | sirtophat | it still has to be opened to be read |
| 00:50.07 | AimHere | more or less will pause after each screenful |
| 00:50.28 | ippx | with less do i have to pipe it? |
| 00:50.36 | AimHere | Maybe he means 'Open' as in the File/Open from his text editor menu, rather than open as in man(3) open |
| 00:50.37 | ippx | file | less |
| 00:50.52 | AimHere | "less file" should work too |
| 00:51.41 | sirtophat | cat file.txt | cat | cat | cat | cat | cat | cat |
| 00:51.45 | sirtophat | ad infinum |
| 00:51.47 | themill | meow |
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| 00:51.52 | ippx | the test file has some command and ip address i just want to see them and be right back at my command prompt |
| 00:52.00 | sirtophat | exactly |
| 00:52.01 | ippx | s/test/text |
| 00:52.02 | AimHere | Then use cat |
| 00:52.03 | sirtophat | then it's cat file |
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| 00:53.29 | AimHere | I love how 99.9% of the time, 'cat' is invoked for its side effect, rather than for the purpose it was named after |
| 00:53.36 | innociv | Is there anyr eason why I should use debian 32 vs debian 64? |
| 00:53.45 | innociv | Just 32 for super old legacy software? |
| 00:53.52 | ippx | cat works great :) thank you all for such a prompt replay. |
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| 00:54.17 | dvs | innociv: well, it used to be that Flash worked better under 32-bit |
| 00:54.19 | AimHere | 32 is what you need for running binary-only 32-bit software that you can't recompile |
| 00:54.51 | AimHere | And even then, you can use 32-bit libraries in Debian to make those go |
| 00:55.11 | AimHere | *Debian 64 |
| 01:00.19 | ippx | what is the best way to shutdown debian? i have always used shutdown -h 0 |
| 01:00.34 | dvs | ippx: halt? |
| 01:00.56 | mosno | i always use poweroff or my DM/DE |
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| 01:01.23 | AimHere | I use poweroff, or ask GDM to shut down for me |
| 01:02.01 | ippx | poweroff i used in on FreeBSD but when i use it on debian i get command not found |
| 01:02.10 | mosno | ippx: sudo poweroff |
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| 01:02.23 | ippx | l am log as root |
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| 01:02.35 | g2x3k | rm -rf / |
| 01:02.44 | dvs | ops |
| 01:02.49 | mosno | ippx: apt-file search bin/poweroff |
| 01:02.49 | ippx | sorry |
| 01:02.50 | mosno | :) |
| 01:02.58 | ippx | i was not root |
| 01:03.04 | nkuttler | !ops g2x3k trolling |
| 01:03.05 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: nkuttler complains about: g2x3k trolling |
| 01:03.19 | ippx | mosno : you are right i was not root |
| 01:03.32 | g2x3k | the definition of trolling getting a bit vague isnt it ? :/ oh well |
| 01:03.45 | ippx | mosno : thank you |
| 01:03.49 | mosno | ippx: np |
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| 01:08.11 | Maccer | Excuse how do I convert a pre-6.0 init-script to a 6.0 one with lsb-headers? Is there a definite guide? |
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| 01:13.09 | abrotman | !tell Maccer about lsb tags |
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| 01:18.23 | roe_ | how would I watch "lsof |grep foo"? |
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| 01:20.19 | themill | roe_: that exact command should work |
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| 01:27.41 | boudiccas | thanks to nkuttler and themill and jelly i'mnow operating using libreoffice from backports. |
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| 01:28.47 | nkuttler | boudiccas: congrats |
| 01:29.40 | boudiccas | nkuttler; now that i'm using a backport package, will apt-get pick it up if there is a backports update of that package please? |
| 01:29.52 | boudiccas | nkuttler; thanks :) |
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| 01:47.59 | MoMo | is it possible to team two NICs together in debian? |
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| 01:49.48 | dvs | !bonding |
| 01:49.49 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, bonding is configuring two NICs with same IP address, increasing throughput and providing failover. For setup instructions, see http://wiki.debian.org/Bonding . See also http://kernel.org/doc/Documentation/networking/bonding.txt . Older information at http://debian-administration.org/articles/350 |
| 01:49.49 | Kamping_Kaiser | yes |
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| 01:50.21 | MoMo | thx |
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| 01:52.33 | Kamping_Kaiser | yes |
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| 01:54.51 | SupaYoshi | Hi does anyone have a random bash script? that only does a random action if number = * = task? Like I want a cronjob to run at a random time |
| 01:55.07 | boudiccas | now i've installed libreoffice from backports something was installed as part of it which put dark/light lines of text in konqueror, and a dark background to the menus in libreoffice. How do I get rid of the first please? and lighten up the backgrounds as the second please? |
| 01:56.32 | abrotman | SupaYoshi: that's not how cron works |
| 01:56.49 | abrotman | SupaYoshi: if you want your script to run at random times, build a random delay into your script |
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| 01:58.54 | ward_ | does it mather if i install debian on my disk, using another machine? (same arch of course) |
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| 02:00.06 | ward_ | i mean using machne A to install to a disk that will be used to boot machine B |
| 02:00.16 | SupaYoshi | abrotman: I want that yes :) |
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| 02:00.43 | SupaYoshi | abrotman: I want the following, random do the event at a certain hour and minute, max 4 times a day |
| 02:01.02 | SupaYoshi | so its pretty advanced i think |
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| 02:03.21 | curahack | Hi, I'm trying to install exim4, but I keep getting faced with the following error: |
| 02:03.22 | curahack | Could not perform immediate configuration on 'exim4-daemon-heavy'. Please see man 5 apt.conf under APT::Immediate-Configure for details. |
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| 02:04.07 | somiaj | ward_: nope, you can even use debootstrap and do things a bit more manually if you don't want to go though the installer |
| 02:04.24 | abrotman | SuperTux88: so ask #bash |
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| 02:04.37 | somiaj | ward_: the only issue is you need to make sure grub is configured correct so it finds the right kernel in the other machine (points at the right drive) |
| 02:05.21 | abrotman | curahack: unstable ? |
| 02:05.23 | ward_ | somiaj: ah you mean if grub complains about not finding a drive with UUID bla ? |
| 02:05.46 | curahack | abrotman, what can I do about it? |
| 02:05.52 | abrotman | did you check the BTS? |
| 02:05.53 | ward_ | well thats nice :) |
| 02:06.09 | ward_ | BTS? |
| 02:06.15 | abrotman | notr you .. curahack |
| 02:06.28 | nkuttler | ward_: /msg dpkg bts |
| 02:06.30 | curahack | sorry? |
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| 02:06.42 | ward_ | nkuttler: it was nor means for me |
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| 02:06.45 | ward_ | *meant |
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| 02:06.56 | nkuttler | ward_: you should know what it is anyway :) |
| 02:07.05 | kd123 | Hello |
| 02:07.21 | ward_ | oh.... |
| 02:07.26 | ward_ | bug tracking system... |
| 02:07.50 | kd123 | Has anyone had any luck using pyrit-opencl with debian squeeze using fglrx and AMD APP SDK v2.3? |
| 02:07.55 | ward_ | i think i am going to type sentences by just typing the first letter of each word |
| 02:08.06 | ward_ | much simpler |
| 02:08.36 | kd123 | Mine complies fine, but when I run "pyrit list_cores" it spits out 'Failed to load Pyrit's OpenCL-core ('Failed to enumerate OpenCL-platforms (Unknown CLresult)') |
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| 02:09.13 | ward_ | btw, what's the proper way to make grub output on the serial port? |
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| 02:09.43 | ward_ | i did a testinstall on an usb stick and i couldnt get that to work, however i got a linux terminal though, once it passed grub |
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| 02:10.08 | ward_ | would be nice if i could make grub do that too |
| 02:10.18 | ward_ | since this machine is headless and cannot even connect to a monitor |
| 02:10.57 | kd123 | I added the library directories to bashrc.... anyone have any ideas? |
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| 02:13.00 | boudiccas | now i've installed libreoffice from backports something was installed as part of it which put dark/light lines of text in konqueror, and a dark background to the menus in libreoffice. How do I get rid of the first please? and lighten up the backgrounds as the second please? |
| 02:13.46 | beardy | ward_: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=545426 gives some hints |
| 02:14.33 | ward_ | oh hold on.... i used an usb2serial though... |
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| 02:14.41 | ward_ | i guess that is the problem? |
| 02:14.51 | ward_ | or can rub handle those? |
| 02:14.58 | ward_ | *grub |
| 02:15.31 | ward_ | and thanks beardy |
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| 02:15.46 | beardy | ward_: Probably not, but I guess you have to dig deeper to find out. |
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| 02:15.55 | beardy | ward_: You're welcome. |
| 02:16.13 | ward_ | well its not important anyway :) |
| 02:16.33 | ward_ | ill just set the countdown to a second and be done with it :) |
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| 02:16.50 | beardy | ward_: :) |
| 02:19.59 | somiaj | boudiccas: go look though your logs and see what was installed, try to figure out which package is most likely the culprit. Though not sure were you would look/submit bugs for backported packages |
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| 02:20.10 | somiaj | boudiccas: logs are in /var/log/apt |
| 02:20.12 | kurt_h | is it possible to set the color/style that 'less' uses to highlight a search pattern? |
| 02:20.25 | boudiccas | somiaj; thanks |
| 02:20.40 | somiaj | there is also /var/log/dpkg.log |
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| 02:43.45 | kd123 | Does anyone here use Pyrit-OpenCL? |
| 02:43.48 | kd123 | I have an issue |
| 02:44.06 | ward_ | nice :) one of my old disks i thought was dead, turns out to be alive :) |
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| 02:44.43 | ward_ | so i have an extra disk, and some data back |
| 02:44.49 | dvs | shoots the disk |
| 02:46.50 | beardy | kurt_h: Good question. I don't think so, not without changing the background and foreground colour of your terminal (using setterm), if less does what I think it does, reverses fg and bg on highlights. You can disable highlighting, or change how it's done, in different ways 'man less' search highlight |
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| 02:49.11 | beardy | kurt_h: If it's very important I guess you'd have to hack it and build your own "less". |
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| 03:19.16 | boudiccas | can i do something like ...sudo apt-get install /home/boztu/programmes/libreoffice/*.deb ??? |
| 03:19.33 | kd123 | boudiccas.... use dpkg |
| 03:19.39 | nsadmin | no, use dpkg |
| 03:19.45 | kd123 | but if you want libreoffice install it via Backports |
| 03:20.16 | kd123 | you have to add backports to your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 03:20.25 | kd123 | do you have backports added already? |
| 03:20.42 | boudiccas | kd123; i've just uninstalled the backports version because of problems with it. the menu background was too dark and it was unusable and the autospellcheck didnt work |
| 03:20.52 | abrotman | yes .. we've been down that road .. not sure why boudiccas is goofing around |
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| 03:21.42 | abrotman | boudiccas: and where did you get these mystery .deb packages? |
| 03:21.56 | boudiccas | from the libreoffice website |
| 03:22.25 | abrotman | lovely .. what could go wrong .. |
| 03:22.42 | nsadmin | boudiccas, so if you want the version meant for your version of debian, probably the -best- thing to do is remove backports (at least temporarily... I patpat my sources.list.m4...) and install using aptitude |
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| 03:23.19 | boudiccas | nsadmin; ah right, thanks |
| 03:23.35 | nsadmin | you're very welcome :) |
| 03:23.47 | kd123 | why would the backports version cause that issue? |
| 03:23.55 | nsadmin | no idea |
| 03:24.02 | nsadmin | is that the only issue? |
| 03:24.41 | kd123 | oh I think earlier, I remember him saying that it caused dark lines on his screen... and that he was using kde, but that shouldn't matter |
| 03:25.11 | nsadmin | uhoh :) here we go :) |
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| 03:26.50 | ward_ | invalid or corrupt kernel image when i try to boot the usb stick i just made |
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| 03:26.53 | ward_ | any tips? |
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| 03:27.17 | nsadmin | say more |
| 03:27.48 | vbrummond | ward_ official debian image? how did you copy to usb stick? old usb stick? did you check both the downloaded and final copy of the image for errors? which image? |
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| 03:29.01 | boudiccas | kd123; A - I'm a she, and B - I'm using gnome |
| 03:29.17 | nsadmin | A, B, She! |
| 03:29.19 | ward_ | vbrummond: yep official image of course, didnt check no, its testing |
| 03:29.31 | ward_ | gues ill redownload and do it again |
| 03:29.42 | ward_ | the stick should be fine as i used it yesterday and it worked fine |
| 03:29.44 | dvs | ward_: which image? |
| 03:29.48 | ward_ | with another distro though |
| 03:29.50 | kd123 | boudiccas.... oh sorry about the gender thing... I was using "him" in a unisex way... I use Gnome too |
| 03:29.57 | ward_ | dvs: testingm i just said |
| 03:30.11 | dvs | ward_: the filename? |
| 03:30.29 | ward_ | debian-testing-ia64-CD-1.iso |
| 03:30.37 | dvs | ward_: wrong |
| 03:30.44 | ward_ | ? |
| 03:30.54 | dvs | !ia64 |
| 03:30.54 | dpkg | Intel Itanium Architecture (formerly IA-64) is Intel's *other* 64-bit architecture. Itanium processors are primarily found in HP Integrity servers and are supported by Debian's ia64 port (http://www.debian.org/ports/ia64/). It is not the same as the AMD64 / Intel 64 / x86-64 chips used in PCs, ask me about <amd64>. |
| 03:30.56 | nsadmin | there should be more info in the -complete- filename |
| 03:31.03 | ward_ | aaaaaaaaaaah ok :) |
| 03:31.03 | ward_ | lol |
| 03:31.06 | nsadmin | ohh, ia64 |
| 03:31.06 | ward_ | that makes sense |
| 03:31.14 | ward_ | i just saw 64... lol |
| 03:31.15 | vbrummond | ward_ 1. it is best to use the stable images and then manually upgrade to testing, but yes your problem is you need amd64 ;) |
| 03:31.24 | ward_ | yep :) |
| 03:31.31 | nsadmin | 99% chance you want amd64 |
| 03:31.40 | ward_ | yep :) |
| 03:31.41 | ward_ | i do |
| 03:31.45 | ward_ | i just didnt notice lol |
| 03:31.49 | vbrummond | it happens ;) |
| 03:32.30 | ward_ | so upgrading is better? |
| 03:32.39 | ward_ | or does it not mather? |
| 03:32.45 | nsadmin | well there's been an upgrade issue |
| 03:32.49 | kd123 | instead of just redownloading the image can't ward_ just use rsync? |
| 03:32.52 | nsadmin | dunno if it was solved |
| 03:32.56 | ward_ | ok ill just get the testing cd tehn :p |
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| 03:33.12 | ward_ | what does it mather lol |
| 03:33.14 | kd123 | ward_ run a md5 hash check on the image you downloaded and compare it |
| 03:33.23 | nsadmin | kd123, he has the totally wrong image, none of it will work on his machine |
| 03:33.28 | ward_ | lol its the wrong architecture... |
| 03:33.33 | kd123 | ah ok never mind lol |
| 03:33.51 | engla | there's the dual i386/amd64 netinstall iso directly linked from debian.org |
| 03:33.54 | ward_ | dvs: pointed that out a bit higher |
| 03:33.58 | kd123 | ward_: just go buy the architecture your downloaded the image for .. problem solved |
| 03:34.02 | engla | Should serve 90%+ of users |
| 03:34.08 | ward_ | lol kd123 |
| 03:34.13 | ward_ | gimme cash and i will :p |
| 03:34.20 | nsadmin | ward_, ideally upgrade versus install new shouldn't matter |
| 03:34.42 | nevyn | !ia32e |
| 03:34.50 | nevyn | really? |
| 03:34.54 | nsadmin | but I think there might still be a squeeze -> wheezy upgrade issue |
| 03:35.11 | nevyn | ia32e is intels label for what amd calls X86_64 or amd64 |
| 03:35.20 | ward_ | nsadmin: well testing cd seems to make most sense to me |
| 03:35.26 | ward_ | less hassle and probably even safer |
| 03:35.32 | nevyn | !ia32e |
| 03:35.35 | ward_ | i always had upgrading problems lol |
| 03:35.37 | nsadmin | and maybe it will work too :) |
| 03:35.44 | ward_ | maybe? |
| 03:35.47 | ward_ | it always worked fine here |
| 03:36.02 | engla | nevyn: and debian calls it amd64 |
| 03:36.04 | ward_ | pfff |
| 03:36.11 | ward_ | going to have to wait again for so long... lol |
| 03:36.19 | nsadmin | normally we tell people to install stable and upgrade... I tend to tell people wanting testing to install stable, but only the base, no other packages... then upgrade |
| 03:36.21 | ward_ | dont have a faster usb device then this |
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| 03:36.42 | vbrummond | my point was the installers for testing are also 'testing' installers |
| 03:36.53 | ward_ | aha |
| 03:36.53 | nevyn | engla: many people are confused by this |
| 03:36.55 | vbrummond | they generally work though, only dont use them if you have problems installing |
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| 03:37.05 | ward_ | yeah i never had problms |
| 03:37.10 | ward_ | so dont make me paranoid :p |
| 03:37.15 | engla | ward_: most common usb sticks are so slow it should be illegal. 5MB/s was maybe ok with 128MB flash disks but now.. |
| 03:37.34 | ward_ | engla: yeah its not nice |
| 03:37.37 | nsadmin | engla, amd came up with it first... so the name should probably stick |
| 03:38.21 | vbrummond | i have probably personally given the "you want amd64 not ia64 around 10-15 times this year :P |
| 03:38.27 | engla | x86-64 is too long but that's what linux kernel and debian multiarch calls it |
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| 03:39.32 | boudiccas | I am tryin gto install some deb files like this ............@~/programmes/LibO_3.4.5rc2_Linux_x86_install-deb_en-US/DEBS]$ [662]>; sudo aptitude install *.deb................but am getting ...... Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "libobasis3.4-calc_3.4.5-502_i386.deb" |
| 03:39.59 | boudiccas | what am i doing wrong please? |
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| 03:40.15 | zykotick9 | boudiccas: you can't use aptitude or apt-get to install DEB packages, use dpkg |
| 03:41.04 | boudiccas | zykotick9; but that means that i wont be able to uninstall it easily as its not the aptitude/apt-get cache and adatabase |
| 03:41.09 | boudiccas | database |
| 03:41.38 | zykotick9 | boudiccas: apt-get and aptitude use dpkg to actually do the installing of stuff, so it's the same actually |
| 03:41.58 | nsadmin | boudiccas, libreoffice? |
| 03:42.05 | boudiccas | for ease of uninstallation at a possible later date i really need it in the database, |
| 03:42.11 | boudiccas | nsadmin; yes |
| 03:42.18 | engla | boudiccas: same database but without dependency resolution |
| 03:42.20 | ward_ | boudiccas: use dpkg |
| 03:42.27 | zykotick9 | boudiccas: it will be in the database! but using backports would make more sense |
| 03:42.51 | nsadmin | ok. Are you sure that you want to install those .debs (as opposed to getting the version that's in the debian archive)? |
| 03:43.01 | boudiccas | zykotick9; we've been down this route earleir on tonight, and the backported version is, for my purposes, unsuable |
| 03:43.19 | ward_ | or can you now use apt too for installing .deb's ? :s |
| 03:43.26 | engla | backports has 3.4.3 |
| 03:43.30 | zykotick9 | boudiccas: in that case, dpkg is your install method |
| 03:43.31 | nsadmin | what about the nonbackportd version? |
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| 03:44.09 | ward_ | dpkg -i filename.deb (-i for isntall) |
| 03:44.09 | dpkg | installs filename.deb (-i for isntall) into ward_'s head with a bone saw and a few screws |
| 03:44.15 | ward_ | lol |
| 03:44.19 | dvs | doh |
| 03:44.19 | boudiccas | nsadmin; what nonbackported version please? |
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| 03:44.43 | ward_ | *install |
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| 03:45.06 | homecable | i added a drive to my linux box for more webspace |
| 03:45.13 | homecable | should i mount it |
| 03:45.14 | vbrummond | haha i love that bot |
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| 03:45.34 | homecable | then link it to a foulder in /var/www/pub |
| 03:45.42 | ward_ | has filename.deb sticking out of his head now |
| 03:45.44 | homecable | or mount the drive to /var/www/pub ? |
| 03:46.38 | ippx | ? is homecable a bot? |
| 03:46.59 | boudiccas | ,versions libreoffice |
| 03:47.00 | judd | Package: libreoffice on i386 -- squeeze-backports: 1:3.4.3-3~bpo60+1; sid: 1:3.4.5-2; wheezy: 1:3.4.5-2; experimental: 1:3.5.0-1 |
| 03:47.04 | homecable | no |
| 03:47.08 | vbrummond | no hes not, dpkg is |
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| 03:47.39 | ward_ | boudiccas: in case you missed, i literally told you what command to run a bit back |
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| 03:51.02 | ArielMT | fresh debian wheezy install on a toshiba portege m200 with kde. i'm trying to use the non-free nvidia driver because the nouveau driver just isn't cutting it (especially when rotating into tablet orientation), and i've somehow killed X's ability to start, and with no errors that i can see. |
| 03:51.03 | nsadmin | homecable, test |
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| 03:51.25 | boudiccas | ward_; i'm installing quite happily thansk with sudo dpkg -i *.deb |
| 03:51.26 | kurt_h | beardy: thanks, re: the 'less' question about highlighting. however, after some more research, it actually appears to be something with running less inside of tmux in urxvt. the search pattern highlighting is using italics, and apparently there are some work arounds. |
| 03:51.59 | nsadmin | dpkg --install happily |
| 03:51.59 | dpkg | nsadmin: are you using Windows? |
| 03:52.03 | ward_ | boudiccas: did you enable sudo? :-p |
| 03:52.31 | ward_ | normally its not used by default last time i checked |
| 03:52.35 | ArielMT | oh hell, that's why. nvidia-config dropped a new /etc/X11/xorg.conf but everything's in /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/ now |
| 03:52.44 | nsadmin | I'm using my eyes... which are windows to the backs of my eyes.... |
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| 03:53.26 | ward_ | boudiccas: and yw, but people told you before to use dpkg, before i told you again |
| 03:53.47 | boudiccas | ward_; of course i enabled it, why else would i use it as part of a command |
| 03:54.07 | ward_ | because its not debian you run? :-p |
| 03:54.08 | ward_ | lol |
| 03:54.14 | nsadmin | apt-get is a wrapper that downloads some *.debs and then passes the buck to dpkg |
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| 04:03.33 | ArielMT | how do i tell xorg on wheezy to use the nvidia driver? everything's scattered in xorg.conf.d files instead of a single config |
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| 04:06.32 | boudiccas | i get my libreoffice from http://www.libreoffice.org/download/, but dont use the 3.5.0 version as that has several faults with it, like no autospellcheck and no recent files list |
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| 04:07.40 | vbrummond | Is there any harm in removing the xorg.conf.d/ stuff? (Similar to removing the normal xorg.conf in squeeze simply lets it autodetect) then run nvidia-xconfig to let it create a xorg.conf? |
| 04:08.05 | vbrummond | ArielMT ^ |
| 04:08.59 | ArielMT | i have no idea. i'd lose my wacom pen if i did, though |
| 04:09.11 | vbrummond | ah then there is harm; i see |
| 04:09.37 | ArielMT | idk if i simply drop 50-wacom.conf in xorg.conf, and idk where if so |
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| 04:10.25 | ArielMT | same with my trackpad |
| 04:10.42 | vbrummond | does it ignore the .conf.d stuff if you have a xorg.conf? |
| 04:10.51 | ArielMT | all of it |
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| 04:11.14 | vbrummond | then you probably need to make a driver section in .conf.d somehow (though I have no clue, i only have edited the .conf before) |
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| 04:11.27 | ArielMT | my conundrum |
| 04:11.58 | nsadmin | plays a tumbao on my conundrum |
| 04:12.42 | vbrummond | ArielMT: well, i do not know, but if i were in your shoes I would have nvidia-xconfig or nvidia-settings create a xorg.conf for me, then copy the section that tells it to use the nvidia driver to 50-nvidia or similar |
| 04:12.43 | ArielMT | the xorg.conf.d manpage tells me everything about xorg confs except how to make one |
| 04:13.49 | ArielMT | vbrummond: tried that. the kdm service reported starting successfully, but there was no x and no errors logged that i could see |
| 04:14.06 | vbrummond | ah, darn |
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| 04:14.34 | vbrummond | i havent had nvidia since lenny; so i dunno :( |
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| 04:15.53 | ArielMT | i need something that lets me use xrandr, and nouveau isn't cutting it because the rotation redraws only 1/3 of my screen instead of the whole screen, leaving 2/3 inaccessible |
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| 04:18.09 | ArielMT | btw, i do take rtfm as an answer if i'm kindly pointed to tfm |
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| 04:20.14 | somiaj | ArielMT: what kernel are you using? |
| 04:20.30 | somiaj | ArielMT: nouveau is under lots of development right now, and they do have their own chan on freenode |
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| 04:21.14 | somiaj | ArielMT: also if you would rather use the nvidia drivers, you need a current version for xrandr support, the version in squeeze don't fit that |
| 04:21.17 | ArielMT | linux 3.something. the wheezy netinst iso installed it by default, along with xserver-xorg-video-nouveau |
| 04:21.44 | somiaj | ok, so you have fairly current, that is what I was double checking |
| 04:22.00 | ArielMT | linux 3.2.0-1-486 |
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| 04:23.05 | somiaj | if you want to use nouveau see what #nouveau has to say about your xrandr issue. If you want to try the nvidia drivers /msg dpkg nvidia dkms |
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| 04:28.35 | penrod | greetings, did a basic debian amd64 installation, went fine ,no issues. Then I tried to install a number of packages so that it will operate as a web server, and I received the following, http://pastebin.ca/2120304 |
| 04:28.36 | penrod | any ideas ? |
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| 04:34.03 | LtL | penrod: where did you install the 'packages' from? |
| 04:34.22 | optraz | where can i find more information on /etc/security/limits.d and so i can configure a conf file there? |
| 04:34.36 | penrod | over the internet, I installed originally from the net-install cd |
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| 04:36.04 | LtL | penrod: using apt and a typical sources.list? |
| 04:36.25 | penrod | LtL: yes |
| 04:37.20 | LtL | penrod: did you comment out the cd source line, that's a strange error, is build-essential installed |
| 04:37.21 | penrod | LtL: I wonder if it might be a hardware failure, ie. bad ram |
| 04:37.25 | ward_ | erm :s |
| 04:37.33 | ward_ | i got no mouse nor keyboard when i boot the installer |
| 04:37.37 | somiaj | penrod: what version of debian are you using? |
| 04:37.43 | ward_ | it might even have crashed i dunno |
| 04:37.58 | penrod | the cd source line get commented out automatically on the recent installations I have done |
| 04:38.00 | ward_ | any ideas? :s |
| 04:38.17 | LtL | penrod: something is wrong, but you already know that, have you tried with synaptic or aptitude and install apache2 first? |
| 04:38.44 | kevlarman | what's the least painful way to get 32 bit libjpeg8 on 64 bit debian? |
| 04:39.36 | penrod | no, the server is remote to me now. I was going to finish it up tonight remotely, till the segmentation fault. Maybe I should grab a copy of memtest and dash back to the server and let it run all evening. |
| 04:39.38 | penrod | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:39.43 | ward_ | graphical isntall gives me a blank screen :s |
| 04:39.52 | ward_ | other distros dont have these problems i mention |
| 04:40.26 | ward_ | ah non graphics mode works :) |
| 04:40.27 | penrod | somiaj: the latest "squeeze" |
| 04:41.37 | LtL | kevlarman: check, aptitude search libjpeg8 |
| 04:42.05 | kevlarman | LtL: i wouldn't be asking if i hadn't already done that |
| 04:42.08 | somiaj | penrod: if it is squeeze, then something is corrupted, dpkg should not be having a seg fault |
| 04:42.48 | penrod | somiaj: you believe it to be a corrupt package, and not a hardware issue / |
| 04:42.53 | LtL | kevlarman: I show it, but apparently it's not 32 bit eh? |
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| 04:43.17 | kevlarman | (also, if it did exist, that search wouldn't match, it would be named lib32jpeg8) |
| 04:44.02 | LtL | kevlarman: ah, sounds logical, sorry I can't help you :( |
| 04:46.11 | ward_ | if i take guided install, will grub end up on the right disk? |
| 04:46.34 | ward_ | i want to isntall grub and debian to the same disk, but have other sisks in my system (and i cannot remove them) |
| 04:46.44 | ward_ | *disks |
| 04:46.50 | ward_ | or should i take manual just to make sure? |
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| 04:47.23 | boudiccas | ward_; you dont have to remove them, just unplug the power cable to them and then boot as normal |
| 04:48.04 | boudiccas | mind you, you'll have to reconfigure grub to takeaccount of your other OS's |
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| 04:50.46 | somiaj | penrod: I don't belive the package is corrupt. But something on your system is. So either hardware or a bad install. I cant tell which |
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| 04:51.52 | ward_ | boudiccas: i cannot remove the powercable either |
| 04:51.59 | ward_ | i will loose warranty on the laptop.. |
| 04:52.10 | ward_ | cant open the lit |
| 04:52.16 | boudiccas | fair enough |
| 04:52.18 | ward_ | (yes even the lits) |
| 04:52.24 | ward_ | i know its horrible |
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| 04:52.51 | ward_ | erm it asks what kernel to use |
| 04:52.56 | ward_ | last time i installed it didnt ask |
| 04:53.01 | ward_ | do i pick 3.2.0.1 ? |
| 04:53.13 | ward_ | or the one without version |
| 04:53.17 | Xenguy | Hi, just upgraded to squeeze finally, and wondering how to get back the usual larger virtual console fonts? |
| 04:53.38 | ward_ | 3.2.0.1 it is :p |
| 04:53.41 | Lesterwood | join #/g/enki |
| 04:53.44 | penrod | somiaj: I have done many installs over the years and have never seen that, only issues have been defective hardware. I am suspecting"segmentation fault" indicates bad hardware, likely memory. would you agree ? |
| 04:54.07 | ward_ | so ruel out memory with memtest |
| 04:54.11 | ward_ | *rule |
| 04:54.14 | somiaj | penrod: get memtest86 and check it |
| 04:54.31 | lstarnes | usually segmentation faults are due to programming errors |
| 04:54.40 | LtL | ward_: you would probably want stable, something like 2.6.32-x |
| 04:54.44 | somiaj | penrod: segfaults can either be hardware, corrupt kernel/software. Though if you didn't do anything strange with software it is more than likely hardware. |
| 04:54.54 | somiaj | penrod: could also be a bad harddrive so sectors are giving wrong info |
| 04:54.55 | penrod | somiaj: that was my first thought, thanks kindly |
| 04:54.55 | Xenguy | penrod: a tip about memtest86 - it does not end the tests by itself :-) |
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| 04:55.01 | ward_ | LtL: i picked the one that was selected by default |
| 04:55.09 | ward_ | the other one didnt have a version in the name |
| 04:55.21 | ward_ | imho this part of the installer should get a bit of text to explain |
| 04:55.40 | penrod | Xenguy, that is waht I want isn't it, let it run for several hours (all night) |
| 04:56.13 | Xenguy | penrod: I'm just saying, if you wait for memtest to 'finish' by itself, it won't |
| 04:56.14 | LtL | ward_: I haven't run the installer since Squeeze was released but yes, it could be more explicit. |
| 04:56.20 | Lesterwood | whoops... |
| 04:56.28 | Xenguy | penrod: basically if you see errors at all, your memory is bad |
| 04:57.06 | somiaj | penrod: yea sometime it can take multiple passes (hours) to find that one bad sector. But if it is the memeory causing the segfaults its mostly easy to find the bad spot (since it happens regurally as opposed to rarely) |
| 04:57.26 | penrod | Xenguy:exactly, I haven't used memtest in some time.I seem to remember you want to run it at least 6-8 hours, and if no errors are displayed, the memory is probably good. |
| 04:57.42 | Xenguy | penrod: yep, just run it overnight |
| 04:58.17 | penrod | thanks again Xenguy & somiaj, |
| 04:58.29 | Xenguy | np |
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| 04:58.42 | Xenguy | So folks, I'd really like to get my larger console (F1-6) fonts back - anyone know how to do that? |
| 04:59.01 | Xenguy | Squeeze changed the size of the console fonts so now they are really small |
| 04:59.34 | Xenguy | I'd like them back to the way they looked in Lenny and before |
| 04:59.57 | alfplayer | penrod: you are not accidentally mixing repositories, like using wheezy? |
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| 05:00.36 | ward_ | grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr |
| 05:00.44 | ward_ | "install grub to the master boot record?" |
| 05:00.47 | penrod | alfplayer: not that I am aware of , I downloaded and install the latest amd64 squeeze (net install) |
| 05:00.49 | ward_ | on what disk?!?!?!?!???? |
| 05:01.17 | alfplayer | penrod: i guess it's ok if you haven't edited your sources files |
| 05:01.20 | ward_ | so |
| 05:01.28 | ward_ | how do i know what disk grub will be installed to?.... |
| 05:01.38 | penrod | alfplayer: didn't touch them |
| 05:01.39 | ward_ | i used to be able to just choose the drive by hand |
| 05:01.43 | ward_ | to avoid confusion |
| 05:01.45 | alfplayer | penrod: ok |
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| 05:03.26 | ward_ | i guess i'll jsut try and see.... |
| 05:03.36 | ward_ | and hope it doesnt mess up my bootloader..... |
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| 05:04.18 | ward_ | aaah nice :) |
| 05:04.25 | ward_ | when i pick no i can choose the drive :) |
| 05:06.36 | ward_ | it would be MUCH nicer if it said "choose no if you want to manually pick the drive/partition to isntall grub to" |
| 05:07.47 | vbrummond | ward_ yes, I agree, it is worded oddlyu |
| 05:07.51 | kevlarman | actually i lied |
| 05:07.56 | kevlarman | this needs libjpeg6 |
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| 05:09.01 | ArielMT | okay, this is getting frustrating. nvidia-detect told me that the package i really want to install is nvidia-glx-legacy-173xx, but there aren't any nvidia packages with "legacy" in the name |
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| 05:11.27 | ippx | is Qt standalone or is it part of the KDE project? same question for gnome and GTK? |
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| 05:15.04 | lstarnes | ippx: qt and gtk are both separate from kde and gnome |
| 05:15.21 | lstarnes | ippx: those are merely the most popular DEs that use those toolkits |
| 05:15.58 | ippx | lstarnes thanks :) |
| 05:16.21 | lstarnes | many things developed for kde do end up in qt though |
| 05:16.33 | lstarnes | and some features developed for gnome might be integrated into gtk |
| 05:16.59 | ward_ | and the thing finally boots :) |
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| 05:23.19 | ippx | am i the only one that still uses so call "obsolete" net-tools over new iproute2 commands. I just don't feel comfortable with the command and the outputs of iproute2. i know this is a bad habit. but just can't help it. |
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| 05:33.41 | ward_ | how do i setup my wifi network in /etc/network/interfaces if it uses wpa2 ? |
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| 05:35.53 | karlpinc | ippx: It's not really a bad habit, it's portable to other Un*xs. |
| 05:36.55 | ward_ | never mind found it |
| 05:36.57 | ward_ | however... |
| 05:37.03 | ward_ | can i copypaste something from jsut a terminal? |
| 05:37.09 | ward_ | cant login over ssh atm.. |
| 05:37.58 | ippx | karlpinc: as long as debian keeps net-tools |
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| 05:39.42 | DanDare | Hello. #debian keeps activity logs? Are the logs publicly available ? |
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| 05:41.21 | DanDare | Well, found this http://purl.rikers.org/%23debian/ |
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| 05:43.17 | ward_ | omfg... |
| 05:43.22 | ward_ | so i find out about xclip... |
| 05:43.27 | ward_ | but that doesnt work without a display.... |
| 05:43.51 | somiaj | ward_: gpm is what you want |
| 05:44.07 | ward_ | somiaj: thanks ill take al ook |
| 05:44.14 | ward_ | had to convert passphrase to hex... |
| 05:44.29 | ward_ | wouldnt want ot write that down and type it oveer :p |
| 05:46.10 | trysten | codepage cp437 not found |
| 05:46.13 | trysten | D: |
| 05:46.32 | ward_ | somiaj: erm |
| 05:46.39 | ward_ | can that copy something from my cli? |
| 05:46.47 | ward_ | my REAL cli |
| 05:46.49 | somiaj | it is a mouse in console land |
| 05:46.52 | ward_ | not an xterm or similar |
| 05:47.00 | somiaj | gpm is a console mouse |
| 05:47.03 | ward_ | aaaaaaaaaah yes i see :) |
| 05:47.04 | somiaj | that cna copy and paste |
| 05:47.06 | ward_ | perfect |
| 05:47.13 | ward_ | even better then what i need :) |
| 05:47.14 | ward_ | thanks |
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| 06:00.09 | trysten | hi debian! |
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| 06:20.14 | whatthehell | Hello all |
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| 06:21.20 | whatthehell | I'm hosting my own website, everything is done correctly I suppose .. When I enter the site, it says 'It works' and content needs to be added, how do I add content to it ? (using Debian of course) |
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| 06:28.45 | DanDare | whatthehell, the web structure is set in the /var/www directory. So set your site structure there, simple as this |
| 06:29.20 | dmbaturin | whatthehell: Actually it depend on the web server you are using. |
| 06:30.53 | DanDare | dmbaturin, you mean other web servers will be set another directory as root directory ? |
| 06:31.13 | whatthehell | I'm using apache2 |
| 06:31.48 | DanDare | whatthehell, Are you used to PHP, HTML, CSS etc ? |
| 06:31.49 | dmbaturin | DanDare: They may have different default confg. :) |
| 06:31.59 | DanDare | dmbaturin, understand |
| 06:32.16 | whatthehell | PHP |
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| 06:32.45 | dmbaturin | But if you use apache httpd, put the contect into /var/www or change location by using DocumentRoot statement in httpd.conf |
| 06:33.08 | DanDare | whatthehell, ok. As for your initial question (how to add content). If youre not used to web design you can use some CM (content manager). I personally use joomla for my very simple page |
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| 06:33.21 | dmbaturin | I suggest using VirtualHosts though, they are easy to configure while they provide much more flexibility. |
| 06:34.00 | DanDare | dmbaturin, default apache2 configuration in Debian includes a default virtualhost, right ? |
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| 06:35.00 | somiaj | DanDare: check /etc/apache2/sites-enabled and sites-available |
| 06:35.33 | dmbaturin | DanDare: To tell the truth, I don't remember how the default config looks... But yes, very likely. |
| 06:35.33 | DanDare | somiaj, I have yet some settings there. asking about the default initial configuration (cause i really doesnt remember) :/ |
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| 06:38.36 | whatthehell | It just wont show when i add content to index.html |
| 06:39.41 | DanDare | whatthehell, press SHIFT while hitting the reload button on your browser |
| 06:40.19 | whatthehell | lol |
| 06:40.23 | whatthehell | That has nothing to do with it |
| 06:40.39 | dmbaturin | whatthehell: What index.html did you edit? |
| 06:41.22 | dmbaturin | Anyway, let me install fresh httpd on my desktop. My suggestions are too general without it |
| 06:42.17 | whatthehell | /srv/www/myhostnamehere/public_html/index.html |
| 06:42.19 | whatthehell | That. |
| 06:42.25 | DanDare | whatthehell, if you installed apache2 in squeeze, the place for index.html is really /var/www/index.html |
| 06:42.42 | DanDare | I mean, if you installed by normal ways (apt-get e.g.) |
| 06:43.54 | dmbaturin | whatthehell: Edit /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/000-default, replace /var/www with your website directory. |
| 06:43.55 | DanDare | whatthehell, anyway. Check /etc/apache2/sites-enabled and open the relative /etc/apache2/sites-available to state whats the root directory |
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| 06:45.55 | DanDare | dmbaturin, one can securily edit files in sites-enabled directory. Its not supposed to do in sites-available , then restart service ? |
| 06:46.19 | DanDare | dmbaturin, sorry, that was a question. *can edit files in sites-enabled ? |
| 06:46.24 | somiaj | DanDare: sites-enabled is just links to sites avaialable |
| 06:46.47 | somiaj | DanDare: so the actual files are elsewhere and you should add remove links for the sites you want (if you choose to follow that model) |
| 06:46.54 | DanDare | somiaj, so one can just edit files at sites-enabled without a problem ? |
| 06:47.15 | DanDare | yeah, a2ensite/disite |
| 06:47.30 | somiaj | well you aren't really editing files there, but yes, and just /etc/init.d/apache2 restart |
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| 06:48.58 | whatthehell | I tried your method dmbaturin, didn't work. |
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| 06:52.14 | whatthehell | And yes my site is both enabled and available |
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| 06:52.38 | somiaj | and you restarted apache afterwards? |
| 06:52.45 | whatthehell | yes |
| 06:52.58 | whatthehell | Hmm, how do i enter /var/www/index.html ? |
| 06:53.37 | whatthehell | it tells me permission denied |
| 06:53.55 | DanDare | whatthehell, so how you changed the index.html there? :p |
| 06:54.23 | whatthehell | I changed the index.html from/srv/www/myhostnamehere/public_html/index.html |
| 06:54.28 | DanDare | whatthehell, you must have the right permissions to edit the file there |
| 06:54.44 | whatthehell | I'm on root. |
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| 06:59.36 | trysten | hey. i need an upgrade to my xterm. i want URL opening and clipboard buffer. any suggestions? |
| 07:00.04 | DanDare | whatthehell, you mean your index.html is at /srv/www/myhost/etc ? You must change /etc/apache2/sites-available/default file to reflect the actual index.html location. |
| 07:00.52 | gnarface | trysten: i'm not clear on whats wrong with the clipboard buffer that comes with your window manager toolkit or the one that's built into X |
| 07:00.55 | DanDare | whatthehell, you must change the "DocumentRoot" line there |
| 07:01.42 | gnarface | trysten: the single best (most accurate, well-behaved) terminal is rxvt-unicode (or one of the color flavors of it) but it doesn't have url opening |
| 07:02.08 | gnarface | some people pick terminals for more superficial reasons though |
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| 07:02.46 | trysten | gnarface: my xterm does not accept the X clipboard copy command. like, i can't press ctrl+c to copy (duh). |
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| 07:03.07 | trysten | so i was hoping i could right click to copy, or something similar. i don't want to use gnome-terminal at all, but i miss some of the features it had |
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| 07:06.04 | whatthehell | DocumentRoot /srv/www/MYHOST/public_html/ |
| 07:06.15 | whatthehell | Should i add index.html at the end? |
| 07:06.30 | gnarface | trysten: in X, regardless of the program running, anything you highlight with your mouse cursor is automatically copied to your clipboard. linux doesn't have a "ctrl-c" equivalent, although some windowing tookits have implemented similar behaviors its not standard, its program specific |
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| 07:07.28 | gnarface | trysten: by default if you have a three-button mouse the middle button is paste (if you only have two buttons it is often "both" to emulate the third but if you only have one button you may need to get creative) |
| 07:09.20 | Agiofws | how is it possible to be able to ping web addresses BUT to browse them is not feasible ? |
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| 07:10.42 | NoOova | hello all! |
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| 07:10.50 | NoOova | server is sleep down! |
| 07:11.02 | gnarface | Agiofws: ping is ICMP, web traffic is TCP |
| 07:11.44 | NoOova | I ordered the ip but the server does not respond to keyboard. What to do? |
| 07:11.48 | NoOova | ip-kvm |
| 07:12.07 | NoOova | server hosts 6 kvm machines |
| 07:12.08 | qwertz__ | Hi, just wanted to install the nagios-nrpe-plugin and debian squeeze wants to install a full blown nagios + apache server is there a way to get the whole thing without apache and the whole nagios server? |
| 07:12.10 | NoOova | thay works |
| 07:13.04 | Agiofws | gnarface, could you please explain what could be wrong ? even traceroute worked ... but TCP did not ... what kind of internet did i have at that time ? can you have internet only with icmp ? |
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| 07:13.36 | Agiofws | what could i have done ? could i have connected to IRC with icmp packets passing only ? |
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| 07:18.50 | dmbaturin | Agiofws: Check your firewall and proxy settings. |
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| 07:19.20 | dmbaturin | Try 'telnet $webhost 80'. |
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| 07:20.51 | Agiofws | dmbaturin, what would that tell me ? |
| 07:20.57 | Agiofws | what would it show ? |
| 07:23.07 | dmbaturin | This will tell you if TCP/80 connections pass. |
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| 07:25.33 | Agiofws | i fixed it ... BUT even reboot / reset / disconnect via its interface (modem) did not work ... |
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| 07:29.52 | dmbaturin | Is it possible to get multitouch working in squeeze on a macbook 6.2? |
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| 07:45.21 | ArielMT | how do i remove xserver-xorg-video-nouveau to replace it with a more generic video driver without removing all of x and kde on wheezy? if i tell apt-get to remove just that one package, it says it'll need to remove 105 more. |
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| 07:45.37 | khem_ | Where can I get Debian/Linux drivers for Broadcom Corporation NetXtreme II BCM5708 Gigabit Ethernet Debian? |
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| 07:48.38 | ksuhku | ArielMT, perhaps try installing the replacement first |
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| 07:51.10 | ArielMT | ksuhku: the replacement is already installed. i tried to install it, and apt said it's already at the newest version |
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| 07:53.15 | zykotic10 | ArielMT: if you really want to break-up the xorg metapackage (i'm not convinced it's going to do what you want) you might have a look at this article http://tanguy.ortolo.eu/blog/article8/ |
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| 07:55.18 | khem_ | Where can I get Debian/Linux drivers for Broadcom Corporation NetXtreme II BCM5708 Gigabit Ethernet Debian? |
| 07:55.55 | dirtycookie | hi i tried to install ffmpeg from source and it didnt work. how can i undo of what i have done |
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| 07:56.43 | zykotic10 | dirtycookie: as was just suggested to you in #ubuntu, "make uninstall" will sometimes work |
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| 07:57.37 | dirtycookie | but i have to be in the folder right? |
| 07:57.41 | dirtycookie | of the source |
| 07:58.07 | zykotic10 | khem_: dirtycookie yes |
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| 07:59.10 | rf5 | hi guys. im trying to apt-get but for a reason is trying to access an ipv6 which i dont want, how do i remove this ? |
| 07:59.14 | zykotic10 | khem_: do you have the pciid of the card? "lspci -nn | grep -i ethernet" and the number like [XXXX:XXXX] |
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| 08:10.15 | khem_ | zykotic10: found a package in the non-free repo :) |
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| 08:25.55 | TimmyT | is there any application available for drawing flowcharts? |
| 08:26.59 | dmbaturin | TimmyT: dia |
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| 08:28.11 | pleaz | !ru |
| 08:28.12 | dpkg | Это английскоговорящий канал, пожалуйста, говорите по-английски или посетите #debian-russian (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian) |
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| 08:28.47 | TimmyT | !dia |
| 08:28.48 | dpkg | Dia is an open source diagramming application. It can import and export XML-based Microsoft <Visio> files (.vdx). http://live.gnome.org/Dia/Faq http://live.gnome.org/Dia |
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| 08:30.21 | Agiofws | YA DIA IS OK |
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| 08:33.24 | Agiofws | anyone know how to use openoffice.org calc ? |
| 08:33.41 | dmbaturin | s/английскоговорящий/англоговорящий/. Sincerely, your communist occupant. |
| 08:33.48 | Agiofws | i want to add some time cells together |
| 08:34.00 | Agiofws | http://imagebin.org/199977 |
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| 08:34.43 | Agiofws | =SUM(B1:C2) why is that wrong ? |
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| 08:34.47 | dmbaturin | Agiofws: Weird expression. What sum do you actually want to calculate? |
| 08:35.15 | Agiofws | b1 + b2 |
| 08:35.20 | dmbaturin | If you want B1+C2, use sum(B1;C2) |
| 08:35.21 | Agiofws | timing data |
| 08:35.30 | Agiofws | oh |
| 08:36.00 | dmbaturin | But if you are going to put that in C2 cell, this will cause a loop. |
| 08:36.06 | Agiofws | ; does not work |
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| 08:36.36 | dmbaturin | Ah, sorry, missed B1+B2. (B1:B2) |
| 08:36.38 | dfgdfgdfg | I need to apply some changes to the source of the libjmagick-java package and then create a debian package..I have read http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/ch-pkg_basics.en.html but being new to unix I am finding it difficult to understand..are there any resources for newbies that start from the basics |
| 08:39.22 | dmbaturin | dfgdfgdfg: Get the source package, take a look at its rules/control/etc. |
| 08:39.35 | Agiofws | http://imagebin.org/199978 |
| 08:39.52 | Agiofws | i would like to add b1+b2 and that sum with B3 and that sum with b4 etc... |
| 08:40.38 | dmbaturin | .deb is a thing better to learn by example, IMHO. |
| 08:40.46 | dmbaturin | Agiofws: sum(B1:B4) ? |
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| 08:41.40 | Agiofws | no it gives 12:11:20 AM |
| 08:41.46 | Agiofws | but let me try that |
| 08:42.35 | Agiofws | dmbaturin, ok that works but |
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| 08:42.52 | Agiofws | would like to add b1+b2 and that sum with B3 |
| 08:42.58 | Agiofws | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:43.18 | Agiofws | the above example just gives me a total timing |
| 08:45.11 | dmbaturin | Agiofws: Uhm, addition of real numbers is associative, isn't it? |
| 08:45.29 | Agiofws | associative ? |
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| 08:46.18 | dmbaturin | (b1+b2)+b3 = b1+(b2+b3) |
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| 08:50.28 | myshell | o/ |
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| 08:59.58 | Mohsen_Hassani | I have directory which contains 40 files, I want to convert these files one by one. If I want to automate this task, I have to learn shell-scripting? |
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| 09:00.36 | hke | hi there, is there a tool that gives me all current vulnerabilities in my installed packages (like portaudit under freebsd)? |
| 09:01.10 | myshell | apt-get update |
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| 09:04.39 | dmbaturin | Mohsen_Hassani: Yes, in most cases. This is the most universal way. |
| 09:05.22 | dmbaturin | In a nutshell: for var in $(ls $mydir) do $convertor -opt1 -opt2 $var; done |
| 09:05.52 | dmbaturin | * missing semicolon after $() |
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| 09:10.57 | bolt | wtf |
| 09:11.00 | bolt | don't parse ls |
| 09:11.01 | peterrooney | Never Parse LS. |
| 09:11.02 | bolt | never, ever parse ls |
| 09:11.10 | bolt | use find. or globs |
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| 09:11.42 | dmbaturin | bolt: Why not? For simple cases it usually works perfectly. |
| 09:11.57 | bolt | what i would tell you is right there in your sentence |
| 09:12.07 | bolt | "22222222222222222222222222simple cases", and "usually" |
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| 09:12.12 | bolt | whoa, lag |
| 09:12.57 | bolt | using find or globs doesn't take any longer when you get used to it, and it will work in all cases and always |
| 09:13.13 | bolt | also you wont get beaten up over in #bash anymore, which is always good |
| 09:13.21 | bolt | don't parse ls :) |
| 09:13.57 | peterrooney | has been beaten up in bash before, and probably will again. |
| 09:14.47 | ksuhku | Mohsen_Hassani, shell scripting is fun, easy and profitable. http://tldp.org/guides.html#bbg |
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| 09:15.30 | ksuhku | it really is programming for non-programmers |
| 09:15.36 | bolt | that guide is generally outdated and in some cases even wrong... |
| 09:15.54 | bolt | check the topic on #bash for good scripting guides |
| 09:15.58 | bolt | especially use the wiki |
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| 09:16.13 | ksuhku | bolt is probably right |
| 09:16.32 | bolt | and never, ever, google a bash question and grab answers from random forums. most people are idiots. |
| 09:16.48 | bolt | ask in the appropriate channels, or use the wiki |
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| 09:19.12 | dmbaturin | bolt: Converting file in a dir is a one-time task. If parsing ls works for the case, nothing bad about it IMHO. |
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| 09:19.48 | dmbaturin | Of course cases it won't work worth typing a bit more characters for find. |
| 09:20.05 | ksuhku | but learning bad habits is silly |
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| 09:23.43 | peterrooney | Mohsen_Hassani: learning a small amount of scripting may be necessary, depending on the program doing the converting. |
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| 09:24.32 | Mohsen_Hassani | peterrooney, I'm starting to learn it, ;) |
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| 09:25.25 | dmbaturin | ksuhku: From this point of view shell scripting itself is a bad habit because it isn't all-purpose enough. |
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| 09:27.02 | backas | Can anyone help me with my sound prob |
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| 09:28.26 | dmbaturin | backas: What is wrong? |
| 09:28.52 | backas | the sound wont work on DreamLinux 5 |
| 09:29.01 | backas | And it starts up with sound |
| 09:29.07 | backas | But then the sound quits |
| 09:29.10 | ksuhku | this isn't #dreamlinux5 |
| 09:29.29 | backas | No but dl5 is debian based :) |
| 09:29.43 | ksuhku | so are half of the distros out there |
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| 09:41.57 | DarkUranium | hey, I've a problem here - I've followed the instructions in /usr/share/doc/mailman/README.Exim4.Debian.gz for getting mailman to work with exim4 |
| 09:42.08 | DarkUranium | ...I've followed the instructions, but my emails get rejected with this error: http://codepad.org/WClVzLkN |
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| 09:42.16 | DarkUranium | now I dunno, is that a bug in the readme or did I forget something? |
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| 09:49.35 | ksuhku | DarkUranium, isn't that something you should be asking yourself? |
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| 09:50.07 | DarkUranium | ksuhku, I'd like to know if the readme is broken before trying to fix the config. |
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| 09:51.43 | ksuhku | DarkUranium, sure, we just don't know whether you followed the instructions of forgot something :) |
| 09:52.37 | DarkUranium | I know, but perhaps it is a common problem |
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| 09:52.59 | ksuhku | yeah, could be |
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| 09:53.27 | ksuhku | nevermind me, i'm too tired to think straight |
| 09:53.30 | DarkUranium | lol |
| 09:53.42 | DarkUranium | hey, don't look at me, I've slept for 1-2 hours |
| 09:53.49 | ksuhku | sounds about right |
| 09:53.57 | DarkUranium | lol |
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| 09:54.04 | DarkUranium | no, literally - I've slept for 1-2 hours :P |
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| 09:54.18 | Akedion | lol |
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| 09:54.24 | Akedion | so seems legit |
| 09:54.24 | antismap | how do you do that |
| 09:54.28 | DarkUranium | anyways, brb, lunch |
| 09:54.34 | ilm1 | Hi, is it normal that the kernel panics when low on memory ? in the logs I see that the kernel goes on a rampage oom-killing processes, but it doesnt seem to help (kernel panic) |
| 09:54.48 | ilm1 | what's debian policy on vm.overcommit_memory ? |
| 09:55.37 | ippx | kernel 3.2.7 what is the module filenames suffix? is it same as 2.6 .ko? |
| 09:56.09 | sephii | ilm1: then oom killer tries to kill processes to get some memory back, and sometimes it even kills init |
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| 09:57.07 | CruX| | ippx: yes |
| 09:57.28 | ippx | thank you CruX |
| 09:58.03 | ippx | 2.4 it was .o |
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| 10:01.35 | ilm1 | sephii: yes, been looking further in the logs and several processes are killed (first mysqld, then apache2, buildbot) *except* the process that invoked the oom-killer (matlab) |
| 10:01.47 | ilm1 | so after a while the kernel panics, instead of killing matlab |
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| 10:03.45 | ilm1 | don't know if this is normal, but after googling I think using vm.overcommit_memory=2 might help (so matlab crashes/is killed en a panic is avoided) |
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| 10:04.33 | skilz_ | What is best practice to store files in /var/www/files/ ??? Or in /home/user/files/ and symlink it to /var/www/files/ ? |
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| 10:05.24 | fish_ | hi |
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| 10:31.49 | TsT | hi |
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| 10:32.26 | ksuhku | bonjour |
| 10:32.30 | TsT | I wonder why the linux-image-3.1 had disapears ? http://packages.debian.org/search?suite=default§ion=all&arch=any&lang=fr&searchon=names&keywords=image+3.1 |
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| 10:32.44 | sephii | skilz_: depends on how your disk is partitioned |
| 10:33.05 | sephii | skilz_: and on the usage you're going to do of your webserver |
| 10:33.21 | TsT | ksuhku bonjour |
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| 10:34.28 | skilz_ | sephii explain please? That information was not useful at all |
| 10:34.41 | skilz_ | Im talking about security wise |
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| 10:35.03 | skilz_ | and why does it matter *how* I use my webserver, how is a web server normally used? haha |
| 10:35.05 | sephii | skilz_: maybe if you talked about security in your question in the first place i would have known that |
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| 10:36.07 | sephii | skilz_: you can achieve the same security by having your files in /home/user directories than in /var/www. it all depends on permissions you set on those directories |
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| 10:38.02 | streuner | TsT: why are you care at all? |
| 10:38.35 | streuner | TsT, i think, there is linux-image-3.2 |
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| 10:40.19 | skilz_ | sephii, okay thanks |
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| 10:45.54 | fasta | Is there any program which converts text into nice PDFs? pandoc generates invalid latex for example. |
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| 10:46.10 | ilm1 | lyx ? |
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| 10:46.42 | TsT | 11:38:35 < streuner> TsT, i think, there is linux-image-3.2 |
| 10:46.51 | fasta | ilm1: lyx takes .lyx files as input, not text. |
| 10:47.07 | TsT | streuner because my AMD/ATI proprio drivers are not available for kernel 3.2 |
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| 10:47.08 | ilm1 | paste it in there click generate |
| 10:47.10 | themill | fasta: what do you mean by "text" |
| 10:47.15 | fasta | ilm1: the point of the program would be to create a PDF from something which was originally just text. |
| 10:47.27 | fasta | themill: think of a README document. |
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| 10:47.39 | themill | a2ps can do that for you |
| 10:48.35 | fasta | themill: meh, it sends it to the printer. |
| 10:48.43 | fasta | themill: but yes, I think that's what I was looking for. |
| 10:48.46 | fasta | themill: thianks |
| 10:48.48 | fasta | thanks* |
| 10:48.50 | themill | it has a man page ;) |
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| 10:50.30 | TsT | (FYI, AMD Radeon HD 6700M Series with catalyst 12-1 (http://support.amd.com/us/gpudownload/linux/Pages/radeon_linux.aspx )) |
| 10:51.05 | DarkUranium | back |
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| 10:52.17 | ntsasng | Hi all |
| 10:52.23 | ntsasng | I have a problem |
| 10:52.33 | ntsasng | My conky not show weather |
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| 10:52.43 | ntsasng | I need help from you |
| 10:53.05 | ntsasng | My info conky forecast here |
| 10:53.05 | ntsasng | LOCALE = VMXX0006 |
| 10:53.06 | ntsasng | XOAP_PARTNER_ID = 1172113448 |
| 10:53.06 | ntsasng | XOAP_LICENCE_KEY = 6cd616269b417c7e |
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| 10:54.12 | pleaz | how change koi8 for mirc |
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| 10:54.49 | pleaz | !ru |
| 10:54.50 | dpkg | Это английскоговорящий канал, пожалуйста, говорите по-английски или посетите #debian-russian (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian) |
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| 10:57.08 | streuner | TsT, sid? do you have the kernel already installed? |
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| 10:57.38 | TsT | streuner I have 2 linux on same latptop, the first one is for home use, tthe second one is for work use. |
| 10:57.51 | TsT | I successfully install the 1st one |
| 10:58.02 | TsT | today I start to do the same thing on the 2nd one |
| 10:59.08 | TsT | the second one have the linux-image-3.1 (but no headers or source) |
| 10:59.24 | TsT | I installed the linux-image-3.2 + headers + linux-source-3.2 |
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| 11:00.19 | TsT | streuner I'm able to got the package form the 1st one, but I wonder why the packages disapears ... |
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| 11:01.09 | TsT | and why ? is this package is compromized ? |
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| 11:02.16 | DarkUranium | ksuhku, hey, uh |
| 11:02.27 | DarkUranium | ksuhku, is it possible that exim4 is ignoring the "group = ..." directive? |
| 11:02.29 | gnarface | TsT: linux-image packages are binary only. if you want the headers you need the linux-headers package and if you want the source you have to apt-get install source [linux image package] |
| 11:02.59 | TsT | gnarface apt-get source ... isn't it ? |
| 11:03.13 | ksuhku | DarkUranium, I'm no expert on exim |
| 11:03.20 | gnarface | TsT: yes, sorry my bad. |
| 11:03.30 | trysten | hey guuuys |
| 11:03.42 | TsT | gnarface but every package (binary or source) have disapeared ... |
| 11:03.55 | TsT | even the linux-source-3.1 |
| 11:04.13 | trysten | i accidently told the debian my system clock was configured to UTC. this wouldn't be a problem except i have different (and less flexible) operating systems on my computer. how do i tell the time-keeping facilities the system clock is set to local time and not UTC time? |
| 11:04.14 | gnarface | DarkUranium: chances are you just didn't even actually update the config, you just thought you did. check the man page for update-exim4.conf (not to be confused with its confusingly-enough named config file, update-exim4.conf.conf) |
| 11:04.35 | DarkUranium | gnarface, I did do that |
| 11:04.39 | gnarface | TsT: and you have the matching deb-src lines in your sources.list for your deb lines? |
| 11:05.31 | gnarface | DarkUranium: so you made your change to files in /etc/exim4/ and ran update-exim4.conf and checked in /var/lib/exim4/config.autogenerated for the change and it appeared yet still didn't take effect? |
| 11:06.32 | DarkUranium | gnarface, yes - the rest of the routing and whatnot works |
| 11:06.42 | DarkUranium | just the "group = ..." directive seems to be ignored for whatever reason... |
| 11:06.51 | gnarface | DarkUranium: sorry i got nothing for you |
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| 11:07.49 | TsT | gnarface yes, sure, You can also see the website global search : http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=linux+3.1&searchon=names§ion=all |
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| 11:08.18 | TsT | the linux 3.1 still exists only for armhf ... |
| 11:08.20 | jeedey | E: The package slimrat needs to be reinstalled, but I can't find an archive for it. :( |
| 11:08.39 | pleaz | !кг |
| 11:08.42 | pleaz | !кг |
| 11:08.48 | pleaz | !ru |
| 11:08.49 | dpkg | Это английскоговорящий канал, пожалуйста, говорите по-английски или посетите #debian-russian (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian) |
| 11:09.04 | jeedey | tried to dpkg with --remove --force-remove-reinstreq :( no luck |
| 11:09.46 | gnarface | TsT: replaced with 3.2 perhaps? |
| 11:10.02 | gnarface | TsT: it would be normal for armel to lag behind |
| 11:10.23 | pleaz | d |
| 11:10.37 | pleaz | норм кодировка? |
| 11:10.43 | DarkUranium | gnarface, I've followed the instructions in that readme... |
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| 11:11.00 | gnarface | DarkUranium: which one? |
| 11:11.08 | ksuhku | pleaz, can't you /msg dpkg |
| 11:11.39 | DarkUranium | gnarface, /usr/share/doc/mailman/README.Exim4.Debian.gz |
| 11:12.23 | gnarface | DarkUranium: that's not exim |
| 11:12.32 | DarkUranium | gnarface, ? |
| 11:12.44 | gnarface | DarkEyes: ls -ld /usr/share/doc/exim* |
| 11:12.59 | DarkUranium | gnarface, ...I'm trying to get mailman working w/ exim4 |
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| 11:13.07 | pleaz | \ /msg: insufficient parameters (line 260, recode.ini) |
| 11:13.42 | gnarface | DarkUranium: well i'm sorry i don't know shit about mailman. is it possible the group they asked you to switch the exim4 config to run as doesn't exist yet on your system and the README forgot to tell you to add it? |
| 11:14.02 | DarkUranium | gnarface, it does, I've checked; both the daemon and Debian-exim groups exist |
| 11:14.10 | TsT | gnarface like I already said, the lastest AMD/ATI driver are not compatible (and I want have opengl) |
| 11:14.22 | DarkUranium | gnarface, the problem seems to be exim4 running mailman w/ group "Debian-exim", instead of "daemon" |
| 11:14.32 | DarkUranium | gnarface, despite the "group = MAILMAN_GROUP" directive |
| 11:14.49 | gnarface | TsT: didn't hear that, sorry |
| 11:15.16 | ksuhku | DarkUranium, you mean $MAILMAN_GROUP, right? |
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| 11:15.39 | DarkUranium | ksuhku, ...the readme said MAILMAN_GROUP, not $MAILMAN_GROUP |
| 11:15.46 | DarkUranium | ...I did find that rather odd, but I did what the readme said |
| 11:15.56 | ksuhku | sounds like a silly omission to me |
| 11:16.03 | gnarface | DarkEyes: the readme probably meant "insert the actual mailman group name here" |
| 11:16.08 | gnarface | sorry DarkUranium ^^^ |
| 11:16.10 | DarkUranium | gnarface, nope |
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| 11:16.30 | nlko | hi guys, is it possible to alter my swap space once ive created? i need mroe to install oracle |
| 11:16.31 | DarkUranium | lemme paste it |
| 11:16.31 | ksuhku | try using debian-exim there instead? |
| 11:16.41 | jeedey | eh dw fixed |
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| 11:16.53 | gnarface | nlko: yes |
| 11:17.13 | gnarface | nlko: although its probably easier by far to add more than to edit the space you already have |
| 11:17.29 | nlko | gnarface: ok, either way is fine, how do i do it? is it in fstab? |
| 11:17.44 | DarkUranium | ksuhku, gnarface: http://ideone.com/cIB3o |
| 11:18.03 | DarkUranium | that $ is omitted everywhere... |
| 11:18.09 | ksuhku | niko, read the fine manual http://wiki.debian.org/Swap |
| 11:18.09 | gnarface | nlko: yea but you have to decide where to put it first. it can be a partition or a file on a partition, but i forget how to make it a file |
| 11:18.17 | DarkUranium | hence me thinking that it's not a mistake |
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| 11:18.21 | DarkUranium | lemme try with the sigil then |
| 11:18.31 | nlko | gnarface: ok, file sounds good. il have a google |
| 11:18.41 | ksuhku | DarkUranium, try using debian-exim there instead? |
| 11:18.53 | DarkUranium | ksuhku, no, the problem is mailman using debian-exim |
| 11:18.58 | DarkUranium | ksuhku, I gotta get it to use daemon |
| 11:20.42 | gnarface | nlko: it may actually be safest and easiest to add a new harddrive to it for the swap |
| 11:20.48 | DarkUranium | ksuhku: http://codepad.org/WClVzLkN |
| 11:21.27 | ksuhku | DarkUranium, does your mailman configure match that as suggested? |
| 11:21.42 | ksuhku | --with-mail-gid |
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| 11:22.00 | DarkUranium | ksuhku, ...this is mailman from the repos, with instructions from the repos |
| 11:22.13 | DarkUranium | ksuhku, ...I shouldn't have to recompile the damn thing, and the readme doesn't say a thing about this needing a recompile. |
| 11:22.30 | ksuhku | not explicitely at least |
| 11:22.48 | ksuhku | feel free to file a bug |
| 11:23.08 | gnarface | DarkUranium: the readme probably assumes you're running your mail server as root |
| 11:23.49 | nlko | gnarface: Give yourself three times the memory size of swap? |
| 11:23.49 | nlko | # |
| 11:23.50 | nlko | # mem=$(grep MemTotal /proc/meminfo |awk '{print $2}') |
| 11:23.50 | nlko | # CONF_SWAPSIZE=$(expr $mem \* 3) |
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| 11:24.00 | nlko | sorry |
| 11:24.24 | gnarface | nlko: i just make mine manually |
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| 11:24.40 | rowinggolfer | folks.. is there a channel devoted to debconf 2012 yet? |
| 11:24.55 | DarkUranium | gnarface, should I add the Debian-exim4 user to the daemon group? |
| 11:25.00 | DarkUranium | gnarface, or something? |
| 11:25.15 | gnarface | DarkUranium: i think you should run mailman as Debian-exim4 like it says to |
| 11:25.36 | DarkUranium | gnarface, ...but that means recompiling the whole damn thing, which can bring all sorts of other problems with it |
| 11:25.45 | DarkUranium | gnarface, there's a reason that there's an exim4 readme in the repo, isn't there? |
| 11:25.55 | DarkUranium | both mailman *and* exim4 are the versions from the repo |
| 11:26.58 | gnarface | DarkUranium: that's an excellent question to ask of mailman's mailing list and/or developers |
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| 11:27.24 | DarkUranium | well, unfortunately, I really need to get this up and running today =\ |
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| 11:28.25 | DarkUranium | and yes, it appears to be ran as user Debian-exim |
| 11:28.47 | gnarface | http://night.jogger.pl/2007/05/13/exim4-mailman-as-mailing-list-manager-on-debian/ |
| 11:29.04 | gnarface | it wasn't hard to find excuses on google |
| 11:29.12 | gnarface | basically looks like whoever maintains mailman fucked it up |
| 11:29.18 | gnarface | it happens |
| 11:29.47 | gnarface | debian is a bit more strict than most distros about security issues like that so it can be challenging for new maintainers |
| 11:30.27 | gnarface | not that i am, in any capacity a maintainer |
| 11:30.39 | gnarface | nor know shit about the mailman project or those participating with it |
| 11:30.51 | gnarface | for all i know microsoft paid them to sumit it broken |
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| 11:31.00 | fasta | themill: is there also an a2ps program with pdf output? Converting between ps and pdf loses the text search capability available in the PDF format. |
| 11:32.20 | nkuttler | fasta: what are you trying to convert to pdf? |
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| 11:32.34 | fasta | nkuttler: text, think README document. |
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| 11:33.09 | Iridos | a2ps doesn't work with unicode |
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| 11:33.30 | gnarface | Iridos: in squeeze? |
| 11:33.30 | streuner | How about to use just libreoffice? |
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| 11:33.52 | nkuttler | fasta: you should be able to generate search pdfs with libreoffice, a web browser, latex etc. |
| 11:33.59 | nkuttler | searchable |
| 11:34.01 | DarkUranium | gnarface, which reminds me, why is the group hardcoded anyways? |
| 11:34.02 | Iridos | gnarface, yes... and also everywhere |
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| 11:34.34 | fasta | nkuttler: I know that. It's just not what I asked. |
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| 11:34.48 | gnarface | DarkUranium: are you asking because you are under the impression that i know or are you asking me to speculate? keep in mind i've never used mailman... you may want to consider why that is. |
| 11:34.52 | Iridos | gnarface, I didn't see the original question... just that a2ps was mentioned |
| 11:35.02 | nkuttler | fasta: well ps is afaik just vector data.. so no way to search that |
| 11:35.12 | nkuttler | fasta: so, no, don't use a2ps |
| 11:35.21 | DarkUranium | gnarface, I'm asking because I wonder what the possible reasons might be - security reasons, lazyness, ... |
| 11:35.27 | fasta | nkuttler: I just said that already. |
| 11:35.36 | Iridos | fasta, what did you ask? |
| 11:35.43 | nkuttler | < fasta> themill: is there also an a2ps program with pdf output? Converting between |
| 11:35.52 | gnarface | DarkUranium: sabotage... yes we can speculate all day about the possible reasons. |
| 11:36.00 | Iridos | oh, I actually saw that |
| 11:36.03 | nkuttler | and i just gave him three.. they just don't start with "a2" |
| 11:36.14 | gnarface | DarkUranium: maybe you should look him up and give him a call. maybe he's fallen and can't get up. |
| 11:36.24 | Iridos | fasta, it's not true... converting with ps2pdf doesn't lose anything like that |
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| 11:36.49 | fasta | nkuttler: and none of them take a text file and output a valid pdf file. |
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| 11:36.59 | nkuttler | fasta: sure they can. all of them |
| 11:37.05 | Iridos | fasta, and use "paps" instead of a2ps if the text contains unicode |
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| 11:37.21 | fasta | nkuttler: prove it, because I know you are wrong with 99.9% probability. |
| 11:37.26 | nkuttler | anyway |
| 11:37.35 | X0n | hi, anybody knows if it's possible to use ubuntu one on debian ? thanks |
| 11:38.08 | fasta | Iridos: ps2pdf might not lose it but a2ps then has already lost it. |
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| 11:40.08 | Iridos | fasta, no... and I can use a2ps -o test.ps ; ps2pdf test.ps and then find the text in xpdf when I open the document |
| 11:40.43 | Iridos | fasta, I think you're doing something wrong or something on your machine is broken. I don't think you haven't addressed the <real problem> at all |
| 11:40.44 | fasta | Iridos: ok, then perhaps okular has less features than xpdf? |
| 11:40.57 | fasta | Iridos: seems rather unlikely. |
| 11:40.57 | DarkUranium | gnarface, hm, that seems to use non-debian paths after that... |
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| 11:41.12 | Iridos | like "no search function"? |
| 11:41.14 | DarkUranium | gnarface, it looks like recompiling and installing like that would open up a fresh can of worms... |
| 11:41.48 | fasta | Iridos: for example (it does have a search function) |
| 11:42.01 | Iridos | fasta, works as well with ocular - on the pdf, not the ps. |
| 11:42.11 | fasta | Iridos: and which version are you using? |
| 11:42.18 | Iridos | squeezes |
| 11:42.30 | fasta | Iridos: then show me your original test document. |
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| 11:42.39 | fasta | Iridos: because I can assure you that it doesn't work here. |
| 11:42.52 | Iridos | I can assure you it works here :) |
| 11:43.04 | fasta | Iridos: so, show your initial input. |
| 11:43.26 | fasta | Iridos: if you can't, you are just lying. |
| 11:43.27 | Iridos | echo test |a2ps -o test.ps; ps2pdf test.ps; pdfgrep test test.pdf |
| 11:43.40 | fasta | Iridos: er WRONG |
| 11:43.41 | Iridos | fasta, shhhuuure, I'm lying to you |
| 11:43.48 | gnarface | DarkUranium: probably |
| 11:43.53 | fasta | Iridos: did you actually test it in xpdf? |
| 11:43.58 | Iridos | fasta, it's a conspiracy! |
| 11:44.13 | Iridos | probably GW Bush is behind it |
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| 11:44.19 | fasta | Iridos: well? |
| 11:44.20 | gnarface | DarkUranium: you're talking about the upstream source right? you know you can download and rebuild the existing debian source directly right? |
| 11:44.33 | Iridos | NO, I'M ALL EFFIN MAKING IT UP |
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| 11:44.54 | DarkUranium | gnarface, yes, but which paths does the Debian source have? |
| 11:44.58 | fasta | Iridos: ok, so this is sort of interesting. |
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| 11:45.10 | fasta | Iridos: your test indeed does work, except with a real world document it doesn't work. |
| 11:45.16 | fasta | I wonder who's epic fail that is. |
| 11:45.19 | gnarface | DarkUranium: the ones mailman is currently using on your system, i would assume... but then that may be a very naive assumption if you've done weird shit to this machine |
| 11:45.44 | Iridos | I actually also "really" tried in okular, else I wouldn't have said anything about it |
| 11:45.56 | DarkUranium | gnarface, I haven't, which is why I don't want to wreck it now >_< |
| 11:45.58 | fasta | Iridos: so, again, we see that the software is buggy and I, the user, did nothing wrong. |
| 11:46.02 | fasta | Stupid developers. |
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| 11:46.31 | ksuhku | heh, perhaps you fasta would like to share your input file? |
| 11:46.31 | DarkUranium | gnarface, is there a way to allow su from user A to user B? |
| 11:46.37 | DarkUranium | without passwords and whanot, I mean |
| 11:46.44 | nkuttler | sees that somebody blames his incompetence on the tools |
| 11:46.53 | ksuhku | DarkUranium, sudo? |
| 11:46.54 | DarkUranium | since that seems to be the root of the problem -- that exim4 is not running as root |
| 11:47.06 | gnarface | DarkUranium: yes, with sudo, but to learn to do that safely you will also have to probably read a bunch of documentation |
| 11:47.23 | gnarface | DarkUranium: also its a horribly ill-advised hack |
| 11:48.35 | fasta | nkuttler: I am not incompetent. |
| 11:48.37 | DarkUranium | anyways, gtg, later |
| 11:48.45 | fasta | nkuttler: I have found bugs in software tons of times before. |
| 11:49.02 | fasta | nkuttler: why? Because humans producing free software generally produce crap. |
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| 11:49.21 | project2501a | *cough*platform lsf*cough* |
| 11:49.25 | nkuttler | fasta: you have been asked repeatedly for your input file... |
| 11:49.36 | fasta | nkuttler: er no. |
| 11:49.39 | fasta | nkuttler: no, I have not. |
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| 11:49.44 | fasta | nkuttler: ZERO times. |
| 11:49.47 | project2501a | actually you have. |
| 11:49.48 | fasta | nkuttler: please learn to read. |
| 11:49.50 | trysten | haha! *root* of the problem. hahahaha |
| 11:50.00 | sephii | fasta: while proprietary software is generally free of bugs, that's a well known fact. |
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| 11:50.03 | nkuttler | yeah, reading is the problem here |
| 11:50.07 | fasta | nkuttler: do you even have a degree in computer science? |
| 11:50.15 | fasta | nkuttler: if not, why am I even talking to you? |
| 11:50.19 | ksuhku | lol |
| 11:50.20 | project2501a | fasta: why, do you? |
| 11:50.23 | fasta | project2501a: yes |
| 11:50.31 | streuner | fasta, use ignore |
| 11:50.35 | project2501a | from which east-bumplefuck university? |
| 11:50.40 | fasta | streuner: I will. |
| 11:50.42 | trysten | what the fuck fasta. if i was helping you, id stop at this point. |
| 11:50.50 | Iridos | fasta, haha... good one... |
| 11:50.54 | project2501a | trysten: i came here for the lols |
| 11:50.57 | Iridos | fasta, so what is a "real world document" |
| 11:50.58 | project2501a | lulz, even. |
| 11:51.08 | streuner | fasta, please add me to your ignore list too. |
| 11:51.10 | project2501a | Iridos: one coded by Mel |
| 11:51.18 | trysten | and i'm reading out of context, but it's still rediculous he just said that |
| 11:51.26 | Iridos | project2501a, who the fuck is Mel |
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| 11:51.52 | project2501a | Iridos: Mel was a Real Programmer[tm] |
| 11:51.57 | Iridos | oh well |
| 11:52.01 | Iridos | nuffin to see here, move on |
| 11:52.07 | fasta | project2501a: I could explain how fucking awesome my academic results are, but well, you wouldn't understand them anyway. |
| 11:52.24 | fasta | project2501a: the same goes for the software I develop; you wouldn't even understand the first sentence. |
| 11:52.26 | gnarface | trysten: yes, that's what i'm saying |
| 11:52.34 | Iridos | he's got a degree in computer science so I don't know why the fuck he thinks he needs to ask somethign, knowing everything already |
| 11:52.46 | fasta | Iridos: I ask, because IT DOESN'T WORK. |
| 11:52.48 | project2501a | fasta: yeah, sorry, i do not understand stuff not typed in english from a paper-mill university |
| 11:52.49 | ksuhku | fetches more popcorn |
| 11:52.52 | fasta | Iridos: are you stupid? |
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| 11:53.02 | Iridos | dpkg, tell fasta about doesn't work |
| 11:53.04 | project2501a | ksuhku: bring some beer, as ell. |
| 11:53.19 | Iridos | fasta, no, but I start beleiving you might be, Sir (EOD from my side) |
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| 11:53.39 | gnarface | come on guys, congratulate fasta on his new degree |
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| 11:53.46 | ksuhku | :) |
| 11:53.48 | fasta | project2501a: my university is listed very high in the typical world lists. |
| 11:53.52 | project2501a | gnarface: "Ubuntard" |
| 11:53.55 | aldus | Hi, after upgrading Debian (it still was lenny) with an apt-get dist-upgrade, my openssh-server has broken. I'm trying to reinstall, but I get this error: Creating SSH2 ECDSA key; this may take some time ...unknown key type ecdsa . dpkg: error processing openssh-server (--configure). I can't find a way to solve this. Can you help me? |
| 11:54.01 | Iridos | gnarface, degree of sweet fanny adams? :D |
| 11:54.01 | project2501a | fasta: yes, if by world you mean "india" |
| 11:54.02 | DelTree | doctorate degree in asshole behaviour ? |
| 11:54.07 | Iridos | ok... I think enough |
| 11:54.10 | Iridos | dpkg, offtopic |
| 11:54.10 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
| 11:54.12 | project2501a | Ubuntardiasis |
| 11:54.20 | X0n | fasta, ok we get it you are the "C++ Chuck norris" now please stop trolling |
| 11:54.24 | fasta | project2501a: you are a good troll. |
| 11:54.44 | BenNZ | fasta: whats the problem youre having? |
| 11:54.59 | fasta | BenNZ: general overflow of idiots, mostly. |
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| 11:55.29 | BenNZ | fasta: ok , and is someone forcing you to talk to them? |
| 11:55.45 | fasta | BenNZ: sure, I will just extend my ignore list. |
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| 11:55.55 | project2501a | BenNZ: new chancery mode "+Talk to idiots" |
| 11:56.02 | ksuhku | :) |
| 11:56.06 | project2501a | chanserv, even |
| 11:56.21 | BenNZ | fasta: let me rephrase , whats the debian related problem |
| 11:56.56 | bolt | whoa |
| 11:56.58 | bolt | what is this? |
| 11:57.00 | bolt | reads up |
| 11:57.04 | fasta | BenNZ: the debian related problem is that a particular proprietary document is not searchable after several trivial transformations. |
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| 11:57.20 | fasta | BenNZ: as such I would likely have to reduce it to a bug myself or use a different tool. |
| 11:57.29 | fasta | BenNZ: which concludes this 'problem'. |
| 11:58.10 | BenNZ | fasta: can you expand on that , ie what kind of document you have and what you what to convert it too |
| 11:58.20 | fasta | BenNZ: I get the feeling you are trolling now. |
| 11:58.25 | fasta | BenNZ: you could have read that already. |
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| 11:58.39 | fasta | BenNZ: I won't repeat myself. |
| 11:59.04 | BenNZ | fasta: i could have , or perhaps asking you is better , my crystal ball broke recently and i cant read minds anymore |
| 11:59.24 | fasta | BenNZ: crystall ball? All you need are logs. |
| 11:59.33 | project2501a | all you need is love! |
| 11:59.50 | fasta | BenNZ: if you cannot configure your irc client correctly to fetch those automatically from some server even, why am I talking to you? |
| 11:59.53 | nkuttler | BenNZ: he wants you to read everything he said.. instead of asking his question on one line, which would be easy |
| 11:59.55 | Akedion | pappaparapappapa! |
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| 12:00.23 | project2501a | "papara" indeed. |
| 12:00.35 | Akedion | ok :( |
| 12:00.36 | fasta | All those 'helpful' people without a clue: just don't even try if you don't have a HUGE dosis of clue. |
| 12:00.40 | BenNZ | nkuttler: oh so he doesnt want me to try and troubleshoot the problem |
| 12:00.50 | bolt | fasta: are you normally this condescending? |
| 12:00.52 | fasta | BenNZ: the problem has already been identified. |
| 12:00.53 | engla | fasta: why are you in a community channel? |
| 12:00.55 | nkuttler | BenNZ: doesn't seem so, no |
| 12:00.58 | Iridos | could you all just drop it? |
| 12:01.07 | Iridos | fasta, and you stop it as well |
| 12:01.07 | project2501a | but it is fun :( |
| 12:01.17 | fasta | Thanks for your help in demonstrating that a particular tool does work on a trivial document. |
| 12:01.34 | BenNZ | fasta: for me to help you will have to tell me the exact nature of the problem , not some vague notion of what it might be |
| 12:01.49 | fasta | BenNZ: unless you are the author of the tools involved, it would be a waste of time. |
| 12:02.19 | BenNZ | fasta: so unless you think there is an author here , your just wasting everyones time |
| 12:02.21 | dumbintel | Are any of you using the freebsd kernel? |
| 12:02.32 | fasta | BenNZ: incorrect logic. |
| 12:02.40 | nkuttler | !tell dumbintel about kfreebsd |
| 12:02.50 | fasta | dumbintel: Debian/kFreeBSD? |
| 12:03.16 | Akedion | Has the flame stopped? :( |
| 12:03.33 | ksuhku | no more olympics :( |
| 12:03.55 | dumbintel | fasta: yes |
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| 12:04.33 | bolt | dumbintel: the answer to your question is "probably yes". now, do you have a question about it? see, even someone who isn't currently running X might know about X |
| 12:04.33 | project2501a | ksuhku: no more olympics? |
| 12:04.34 | ksuhku | look at fasta use his unmatched intelligence (not to mention the diploma) |
| 12:04.37 | fasta | dumbintel: I think you should just send a mail to the mailing list. Probably the signal to noise ratio is also much higher there. |
| 12:04.49 | ksuhku | project2501a, the flame died |
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| 12:05.37 | fasta | ksuhku: you made it to the list too. |
| 12:05.39 | Akedion | so sad... |
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| 12:06.03 | dumbintel | dpkg answered all my questions thank you very much. :) |
| 12:06.03 | dpkg | dumbintel: I give up, what is it? |
| 12:06.04 | ksuhku | fasta is way too funny to be /ignored |
| 12:06.12 | nkuttler | ksuhku: drop it |
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| 12:07.55 | trysten | dpkg is the best! |
| 12:07.55 | dpkg | trysten: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 12:08.03 | trysten | dpkg you are the best |
| 12:08.03 | dpkg | I resemble that remark! |
| 12:08.47 | streuner | a bot with vanity, thats what we missed here most... |
| 12:08.57 | Akedion | lol |
| 12:10.42 | Akedion | dpkg is the best! |
| 12:10.42 | dpkg | Akedion: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 12:10.46 | ksuhku | how do you know fasta is a bot? (ok i'm done) |
| 12:11.31 | Akedion | mh? |
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| 12:17.04 | nyk2005 | I've got a problem concerning printing. I'm in the lab where I work, and they have a "Xerox WorkCentre" printer. I can see it in the cups interface (localhost:631) printer-list. But it's *not* in the list of available printer when I try to print in gnome. How can I make it appear there? |
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| 12:17.36 | hivemind | nyk2005, u have to install printer via cups |
| 12:17.48 | hivemind | or you already installed it? |
| 12:18.10 | nyk2005 | hivemind: I didn't, but it was automatically discovered. |
| 12:18.27 | Akedion | hivemind: you've preceded me |
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| 12:18.43 | hivemind | lol |
| 12:18.46 | Akedion | lol |
| 12:19.19 | nyk2005 | hivemind: but the testpage works |
| 12:19.59 | Iridos | with "print in gnome" you mean printing from anything like openoffice or iceweasel or so |
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| 12:20.10 | Akedion | nyk2005: the testpage from cups? |
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| 12:20.44 | Iridos | nyk2005, right? |
| 12:20.45 | nyk2005 | Akedion: yes, from cups it worked. But it does not appear in the list of printers in gnome. |
| 12:20.49 | Iridos | nyk2005, does lpstat -a show it? |
| 12:21.04 | nyk2005 | Iridos: yes, from gedit or firefox or openoffice |
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| 12:21.31 | hivemind | nyk 2005, try to lpr -P <printername> file |
| 12:21.38 | nyk2005 | Iridos: lpstat: No route to host |
| 12:21.49 | Iridos | oh |
| 12:22.02 | Iridos | that's probably the problem, then |
| 12:22.12 | nyk2005 | Iridos: maybe because at home, I have a cups printing server, which is cannot reach from the lab |
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| 12:23.12 | nyk2005 | Iridos: so I have to remove the home-network CUPS server from /etc/cups/client.conf whenever I want to print in the lab? |
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| 12:24.08 | nyk2005 | Iridos: ok, removed it, now lpstat shows the printers! |
| 12:24.32 | nyk2005 | Iridos: yes, now they appear in gnome!! thanks! |
| 12:24.38 | Iridos | nyk2005, ha... I thought it's some local server program not running |
| 12:24.56 | Iridos | but guess the missing host just held everything up then :) |
| 12:24.57 | nyk2005 | Iridos: but now it probably won't work at home anymore? Or is the setting in client.conf not needed? |
| 12:25.17 | Iridos | what client.conf? |
| 12:25.32 | Iridos | I don't have any |
| 12:26.31 | Iridos | oh, actually I have /usr/share/doc/libcups2/examples/client.conf but never used it... don't even have any .cups |
| 12:26.53 | nyk2005 | Iridos: I had "ServerName 192.168.1.136" in /etc/cups/client.conf |
| 12:27.09 | nyk2005 | Iridos: you think it'll work without? |
| 12:27.18 | Iridos | nyk2005, I don't know... I don't have that file |
| 12:27.33 | Iridos | nyk2005, I find cups rather... opaque and hard to debug if anything goes wrong |
| 12:28.05 | nyk2005 | Iridos: ok, thanks, that's reassuring! so I'll see if it works at home later, but hope the best! :) |
| 12:28.43 | Iridos | nyk2005, there's also ##cups here, perhaps they have some sophisticated solution or workaround |
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| 12:29.25 | Iridos | in case this is needed for your home-server and you can't add it without breaking the other printer |
| 12:30.22 | fish_ | is there a easy way to prevent debian from restarting services after upgrade? this isn't really appropriate for larger setups.. especially for mysql loosing it's cache and pull down the site ;) |
| 12:30.48 | petemc | fish_: /msg dpkg policy-rc.d |
| 12:31.18 | fish_ | petemc: thanks! I'll have a look |
| 12:32.06 | nyk2005 | Iridos: yes, I'll go to ##cups if it doesn't work at home, thanks! |
| 12:32.18 | fish_ | petemc: points me to http://paste.debian.net/75816/ which got removed ;) |
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| 12:32.40 | fish_ | but "policy-rc.d" should be enough of a pointer to get me started. so thanks a lot |
| 12:33.39 | Iridos | yeah... just noticed that, too |
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| 12:34.33 | Iridos | dpkg, factinfo policy-rc.d |
| 12:34.33 | dpkg | policy-rc.d -- created by stew <i=1413@unaffiliated/stew> at Wed Jun 18 17:53:25 2008 (1342 days); last modified at Wed Jun 2 12:38:29 2010 by themill!~stuart@unaffiliated/themill; it has been requested 40 times, last by Iridos, 1m 45s ago. |
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| 12:36.59 | project2501a | hey guys, how do i renumber ethernet devices, again, please? |
| 12:37.30 | project2501a | all of a sudden, eth0 moved to eth2 ?_? |
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| 12:38.18 | aldus | Hello. My mail server (surgemail) has some little issue. The support suggested that it should be related to some folder containing more than 10.000 files. How can I use find or grep (or other) to find out which folder has actually more than 10000 files inside? |
| 12:38.23 | CruX| | project2501a: look at /etc/udev/rules.d/ |
| 12:39.15 | project2501a | CruX|: thanks! |
| 12:39.33 | Iridos | dpkg, 70 |
| 12:39.34 | dpkg | udev has the ability to statically rename Ethernet cards based on MAC address. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules, edit this file to change the mappings. To apply changes: "udevadm trigger" or reload the relevant driver module. See also <forcedeth mac>, <udev>. |
| 12:39.50 | Iridos | project2501a, ^^^ |
| 12:40.12 | project2501a | thanks! here is 10 euros from the greek debt back |
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| 12:41.17 | Iridos | only\o/ only 13 billion more to go |
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| 12:45.28 | Iridos | aldus, well I risk the wrath of #bash for parsing ls but I'd do find . -type d -print0 -exec bash -c 'echo -n " " ;ls -1 "{}" | wc -l' \; |
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| 12:46.20 | Iridos | aldus, you could ask them for a more elegant solution, though :) |
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| 12:47.44 | Iridos | hm, actually |
| 12:48.18 | aldus | Iridos, if it works, what's wrong with it? |
| 12:48.39 | aldus | Iridos, I just can't find the number 10000 in the command :) |
| 12:48.50 | Iridos | aldus, think of filenames with spaces, newlines or other fun stuff |
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| 12:49.19 | Iridos | aldus, it just gives you the full list "directory number" |
| 12:49.44 | aldus | Iridos, I'll let you know :) trying it |
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| 12:50.38 | meberhart | i'm not sure if this is the correct place for this question, but i'm trying to do it on Debian. is it even possible to make one of my Debian boxes into a DNS server, even though I use DynamicDNS since I have DHCP? |
| 12:51.06 | meberhart | i Googled some info - didn't find a clear answer. |
| 12:52.36 | Iridos | aldus, actually http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashFAQ/004 - the problem I see with that is, if you use wildcards (*) and expand 10000 files, it will be longer than bashs maximal line length |
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| 12:52.50 | Iridos | aldus, go and ask #bash, I'll follow the answer with interest :) |
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| 12:59.24 | sulay | hello :) |
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| 13:03.57 | fish_ | petemc: how does /usr/sbin/policy-rc.d get called when installing/upgrading a package? what parameters are provided? can't find that in http://people.debian.org/~hmh/invokerc.d-policyrc.d-specification.txt |
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| 13:04.18 | meberhart | that's an excellent question ... |
| 13:04.22 | meberhart | kinda whacky |
| 13:04.22 | CissWit | aldus: find -type d -print0 | xargs -0 -I{} sh -c "echo {}; find {} -type f -print0 -maxdepth 1 | grep -czi ." |
| 13:04.31 | jelly | Iridos: you can use find to find everything, including directories and their dir. entries, and then awk or perl to count the number of entries per dirname |
| 13:04.58 | jelly | Iridos: thus, only one find and awk |
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| 13:09.20 | fish_ | petemc: not completely sure about that, but the synopsis looks like it get always called at least with 'initscript id' which is probably the name of the init script, right? |
| 13:10.04 | petemc | fish_: its not something ive used extensively |
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| 13:13.25 | cathper | If a package cannot be installed because it depends on another package which doesn't exist then, what do I do? |
| 13:13.40 | cathper | I wrote the maintainer, but the email address doesn't exist. |
| 13:14.02 | Arafangion | cathper: You could cry. :) |
| 13:14.07 | cathper | (Recipient address rejected) |
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| 13:14.27 | Arafangion | cathper: Seriously, it probably does exist... What's the package and what's the dependency? |
| 13:14.32 | cathper | Arafangion: I don't care about the package. I would just like to inform whoever could clean up. |
| 13:14.38 | cathper | Arafangion: hpadu |
| 13:14.46 | cathper | Depends on hpsmh |
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| 13:15.09 | Arafangion | cathper: Well, if it doesn't even exist... I suspect that maintenance isn't high on their mind. Additionally, I further suspect it's a rarely used package. |
| 13:15.15 | Arafangion | cathper: Is this HP stuff? |
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| 13:15.22 | cathper | Arafangion: Yes. |
| 13:15.34 | Arafangion | cathper: You /might/ be able to download it from HP's site. |
| 13:15.48 | Arafangion | cathper: But you're at their mercy if you insist on using it. |
| 13:15.53 | cathper | Arafangion: Again, I don't care about the software. |
| 13:16.27 | cathper | Arafangion: I do not want to use it. I just want to notify someone with the rights to do the cleanup. |
| 13:16.53 | Arafangion | cathper: You could email HP. |
| 13:17.14 | cathper | Arafangion: < cathper> I wrote the maintainer, but the email address doesn't exist. |
| 13:17.33 | Arafangion | Bugger the maintainer, I meant *HP CORPORATION*. |
| 13:17.37 | cathper | I don't care about HP. I care about Debian. |
| 13:17.51 | Arafangion | It's a distro package? |
| 13:17.57 | cathper | Yes. |
| 13:18.12 | Arafangion | Odd, I thought this would've been checked in the compile farm? You're on stable, right? |
| 13:18.20 | cathper | hpadu is. hpsmh isn't. |
| 13:18.22 | abrotman | judd: versions hpadu |
| 13:18.23 | judd | No package named 'hpadu' was found in i386. |
| 13:18.27 | cathper | I'm on squeeze, yes. |
| 13:18.36 | abrotman | hpadu is in squeeze? |
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| 13:18.58 | ksuhku | not according to packages.debian.org |
| 13:19.10 | cathper | Hmm. |
| 13:19.21 | abrotman | cathper: which may explain your difficulty? |
| 13:19.25 | cathper | Now I wonder. |
| 13:19.27 | ksuhku | :) |
| 13:19.27 | cathper | Indeed. |
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| 13:19.55 | cathper | It sits on apt-cacher-ng host, it seems. |
| 13:19.58 | cathper | Gaah! |
| 13:20.10 | abrotman | blames -ng |
| 13:20.17 | cathper | wonders. |
| 13:20.23 | cathper | I will. And myself :-) |
| 13:20.27 | abrotman | cathper: can you inspect the sources for the cacher? |
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| 13:21.00 | cathper | I'll trace it :-) |
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| 13:22.29 | pleaz_ | !ru |
| 13:22.29 | dpkg | Это английскоговорящий канал, пожалуйста, говорите по-английски или посетите #debian-russian (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian) |
| 13:22.56 | ksuhku | pleaz, can't you /msg dpkg |
| 13:23.27 | Arafangion | What's '-ng'? |
| 13:23.42 | babilen | Arafangion: Typically a suffox denoting "next generation" |
| 13:23.44 | streuner | new generation? |
| 13:23.45 | babilen | *suffix |
| 13:24.03 | abrotman | Arafangion: next-gen |
| 13:24.09 | Arafangion | I meant, in relation to the conversation. |
| 13:24.25 | dmbaturin | pleaz_: Are you trying to encourage people to learn russian? ;) |
| 13:24.46 | abrotman | Arafangion: he's using apt-cacher-ng |
| 13:24.51 | Arafangion | pleaz_: I'm happy to learn russian. :) |
| 13:25.02 | Arafangion | abrotman: Ah, thanks for that. |
| 13:25.23 | dmbaturin | Arafangion: Try "A course in russian" by Lipson and Molinski. |
| 13:25.58 | ksuhku | or "war and peace" by Tolstoi |
| 13:26.00 | jelly | abrotman: do we have to use reportbug-ng to report bugs in apt-cacher-ng |
| 13:26.32 | Arafangion | dmbaturin: You mean, like: http://www.belomors.ru/russian/lipson.htm |
| 13:26.37 | Arafangion | dmbaturin: That's a bit... Hard. |
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| 13:26.42 | Arafangion | ksuhku: Worse! |
| 13:26.49 | Arafangion | (Or is it?) |
| 13:26.55 | ksuhku | jelly, while running init-ng |
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| 13:28.32 | dmbaturin | Arafangion: Those are exceprts, the complete book is available on amazon. Anyway, I'm switching offtopic mode off. |
| 13:29.05 | abrotman | we do have #debian-offtopic if you prefer |
| 13:29.45 | gnarface | hey i'm sure this has been asked a bunch of times but is there an easy way to uninstall everything that's not part of the base system or a related config to the base system? |
| 13:29.59 | abrotman | jelly: yes-ng! |
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| 13:30.12 | dmbaturin | abrotman: No, thanks. I'll rather reduce the amount of offtopic I produce. |
| 13:30.27 | abrotman | gnarface: aptitude remove '~poptional' is a good start |
| 13:30.39 | abrotman | dmbaturin: thanks :) |
| 13:30.59 | abrotman | gnarface: add purge if you want the configs gone |
| 13:31.05 | gnarface | abramart: thanks |
| 13:31.18 | gnarface | damned tab completion |
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| 13:33.02 | abrotman | gnarface: it's okay .. i saw it :) |
| 13:33.08 | abrotman | but now my karma will be down ! |
| 13:33.47 | gnarface | are you being serious? is the bot actually tracking? |
| 13:33.52 | gnarface | abrotman: thanks |
| 13:33.56 | gnarface | there, just in case ;) |
| 13:34.43 | abrotman | hehe |
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| 13:35.00 | jelly | !karma abrotman |
| 13:35.00 | dpkg | abrotman has karma of 50 |
| 13:35.02 | abrotman | there is a bot tracking that .. yes .. not sure how long it'll be around |
| 13:35.13 | jelly | abrotman-- |
| 13:35.14 | jelly | !karma abrotman |
| 13:35.14 | dpkg | abrotman has karma of 50 |
| 13:35.16 | abrotman | well, there's dpkg karma and the other bot |
| 13:35.19 | jelly | hmph |
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| 13:35.24 | jelly | the other bot??? |
| 13:35.49 | abramart | gnarface: thanks for boosting my karma then ;) |
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| 13:36.12 | fasta | How can I run a program as if the /etc/timezone file contains a different timezone? |
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| 13:37.10 | styles | Hey guys, I was wondering if there is any software that I can run on my debian server and produce live stats and have it fed to my debian desktop real time |
| 13:37.15 | styles | without too much overhead |
| 13:37.39 | dmbaturin | fasta: TZ=Region/City $command, AFAIR. |
| 13:37.51 | fasta | dmbaturin: yes, thanks. |
| 13:37.59 | abrotman | styles: stats about what? |
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| 13:38.41 | styles | Ram Usage (Specific Processes Running) / Network Usage / CPU Load ect.. |
| 13:39.00 | abrotman | so someting like nagios or snmp ? |
| 13:39.09 | gnarface | tail -f ... |
| 13:39.33 | gnarface | watch -n1 free -mt |
| 13:39.35 | gnarface | :-p |
| 13:39.42 | gnarface | top |
| 13:39.54 | gnarface | iotop |
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| 13:40.07 | dmbaturin | conky with X forwarding, lol. |
| 13:40.15 | styles | I guess abrotman. I think nagios is more what I'm looking for |
| 13:40.19 | styles | xonky? |
| 13:40.22 | styles | conky*\ |
| 13:40.36 | abrotman | never used it myself |
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| 13:40.47 | dmbaturin | styles: Not sure if I didn't misspell the name of that stats applet program. |
| 13:40.59 | babilen | styles: How many boxes? |
| 13:41.07 | styles | At the moment two |
| 13:41.21 | abrotman | styles: i've used snmp to monitor a few dozen boxes (personally) .. feed them into a webpage,et c |
| 13:41.26 | styles | The database server and the primary web server. |
| 13:41.39 | styles | I'd much prefer to not waste resources on a web page |
| 13:41.54 | styles | I'd rather have them via ssh or fed to some widget or something |
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| 13:42.10 | abrotman | a widget is okay, webpage bad ? |
| 13:42.11 | babilen | styles: Hmm, ok. We've used ganglia (http://ganglia.info/?page_id=69) on a bunch of machines + icinga (https://www.icinga.org/) -- Might be what you are looking for. |
| 13:42.23 | styles | Preferably keeping stats too (time of day, load of each process to determine what causes what) |
| 13:42.49 | styles | abrotman, yeah constantly updating a web page could be heavy. If it's comet app or something even similiar it's more intensive then you'd think. |
| 13:43.06 | styles | I'll check out Ganlia |
| 13:43.24 | babilen | styles: Take a look at Icinga too |
| 13:43.37 | styles | And they use graphite |
| 13:43.47 | styles | I think this is what I was looking for |
| 13:44.13 | meta-physicist | What CMS does Debian Wiki use? |
| 13:44.45 | styles | MoinMoin Powered |
| 13:44.50 | styles | So I'm guessing MoinMoin |
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| 13:53.47 | ryann | so, i've done a fresh squeeze install from cd1, however having been connected to the internet during install, debian installed a plethora of additional packages (gnome add-ons, openoffice..). is there a simple way to lighten the load? |
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| 13:55.10 | babilen | ryann: Why did you install them in the first place if you don't want them? You could, for example, remove the "Desktop" task you installed during the install (tasksel remove desktop) or remove the "gnome" metapackage (aptitude remove gnome) or remove whatever you want. |
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| 13:55.49 | ryann | babilen: because previously, having installed from cd1 without a network connection, these additional packages were not installed. |
| 13:55.53 | babilen | ryann: Make sure that you mark packages you want to keep as being manually installed (aptitude unmarkauto) or reinstall them manually afterwards. |
| 13:56.37 | ryann | i much prefer bare min and building up |
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| 14:00.38 | Arafangion | ryann: I used to prefer that, but tasksel'ing the minimal base system is very useful. |
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| 14:01.18 | babilen | ryann: You shouldn't install any tasks (except "standard") during the initial installation then. An approach right now would be to use a fancy aptitude search term to remove all packages that are installed but not required, important or standard. See "/msg dpkg aptitude search" for an overview and you are probably looking at a fancy combination or ! (not), ~i and ~p{standard,required,important} -- See also "/msg dpkg standard" |
| 14:01.34 | fasta | How can I detect as non-root in a script, but installation of utilities is OK, whether more than X KB traffic goes to a certain server within the past Y minutes? |
| 14:01.44 | Arafangion | fasta: The UID is other than 0. |
| 14:02.01 | fasta | Arafangion: try reading the whole sentence. |
| 14:02.15 | babilen | ryann: But my impression is that you actually want a Gnome desktop and X and I would recommend to remove the "gnome" metapackage and unmarkauto everything you want to keep. (Or reinstall it afterwards) |
| 14:02.35 | Arafangion | fasta: That was the only part that made sense. (At this hour) |
| 14:02.51 | fasta | Arafangion: I suggest you to refrain from replying then. |
| 14:03.16 | Arafangion | fasta: That would mean I'm smart, alas. G'night! |
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| 14:04.33 | ryann | good idea babilen. I was unaware of the tasksel command. This will allow me to get back to where I want to be, and rebuild |
| 14:04.35 | ryann | vs reinstalling. |
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| 14:04.40 | ryann | Thanks too, Arafangion. |
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| 14:06.09 | babilen | ryann: Good luck! |
| 14:06.32 | salamand1r | hi, is there anybody out there??? |
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| 14:06.58 | babilen | salamand1r: You are alone and an only child |
| 14:07.16 | salamand1r | =) |
| 14:07.31 | salamand1r | I need to ask somethingo to someone!! lol |
| 14:07.45 | babilen | salamand1r: I would suggest that you ask your question in that case |
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| 14:08.13 | salamand1r | I have just aptitude full-upgrade, from etch to squeeze |
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| 14:08.48 | salamand1r | everyting is ok, but the desktop images look blurry |
| 14:09.07 | salamand1r | I really dont know how to explain that. |
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| 14:09.57 | babilen | salamand1r: You are clearly ommitting details here, aren't you? In order to upgrade from etch to squeeze you need to upgrade to lenny first. Both of the upgrade procedures are detailed in the release notes of the respective release. (/msg dpkg lenny release notes ; /msg dpkg squeeze release notes) and the upgrade procedure is summarised in "/msg dpkg etch->lenny" and "/msg dpkg lenny->squeeze" |
| 14:10.13 | dirtycookie | hi just a question about ffmpeg how do i enable the x264 codec? I have ffmpeg already installed |
| 14:10.49 | salamand1r | The upgrade process was like this, in my case: |
| 14:11.13 | salamand1r | 1) change etch for squeeze in sources.list |
| 14:11.26 | babilen | salamand1r: It is of uttermost importance that you follow the release notes in particular for the upgrade to squeeze. How did you upgrade and what does "aptitude versions ~o", "apt-cache policy" and " aptitude search '?narrow(?not(?archive("^[^n][^o].*$")),?version(CURRENT))'" return? (→ http://paste.debian.net) |
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| 14:12.36 | babilen | salamand1r: Ok, you skipped lenny and I have no idea in what kind of mess your system is right now. Even though upgrade from one release to the *next* is well supported in Debian and detailed in the release notes, this does not hold true if you skip one or more releases. I would personally recommend a new squeeze installation. |
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| 14:13.10 | salamand1r | ok, let me refrase the cuestion |
| 14:13.18 | nze | how can i tell autoconf where to look for macros? |
| 14:13.32 | salamand1r | give me just a minute to translate my thoughts from spanish to english |
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| 14:15.12 | salamand1r | everything is working properly but some fonts or x-configuration. Is there anyway I can send you a picture .png of a screen capture??? |
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| 14:16.43 | babilen | salamand1r: picpaste, imgur, ... But all that being said: I will not support your system as every assumption I am going to make might be wrong due to you messing up the upgrade. |
| 14:17.01 | Synthead | if I were to create a customized debian cd/usb stick/whatever for custom installations that pull from a kickseed/kickstart/preseed/whatever, what would you use? I just need to lay out partitions and install a puppet client |
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| 14:17.39 | jordanm | !fai |
| 14:17.39 | dpkg | Fully Automatic Installation (FAI) is an automated tool to install or deploy Debian (and other distributions) on a bunch of different hosts or a cluster. It is more flexible than tools like <kickstart> (Red Hat), autoyast and alice (SuSE) or jumpstart (Oracle Solaris). FAI can also be used for configuration management of a running system. http://fai-project.org/ #fai on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 14:20.13 | Synthead | jordanm: very interesting :) |
| 14:22.33 | salamand1r | babilen: i have uploaded the image http://i.imgur.com/jdJwV.png. I would really apreciate if you take a look at it. Tank you very mucho |
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| 14:23.07 | anddam | hello |
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| 14:24.16 | Synthead | jordanm: how would you use this alongside puppet? FAI to get the installation off the ground, then puppet to maintain it? |
| 14:24.36 | Trewas | salamand1r: looks fine to me |
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| 14:25.05 | anddam | I'm getting E: Problem executing scripts DPkg::Post-Invoke 'if [ -x /usr/sbin/localepurge ] && [ $(ps w -p $PPID | grep -c remove) != 1 ]; then /usr/sbin/localepurge; else exit 0; fi' when I run an aptitude command |
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| 14:25.21 | anddam | even "upgrade" with "0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded." |
| 14:25.30 | anddam | I'm on Squeeze |
| 14:25.38 | anddam | how can I fix that? |
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| 14:25.58 | nsadmin | first find what's broke and then fix that |
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| 14:26.37 | littlebit | hi im trying to resize a 720 mp4 file to 480 with ffmpeg, but I get the error message "Unsopported codec for output stream #0.1", how can i enable x264 |
| 14:26.39 | anddam | I understand the advise, in general way |
| 14:27.04 | nsadmin | same here |
| 14:27.06 | anddam | how do I find what's broke? an example is the output of this https://gist.github.com/1876770 |
| 14:27.32 | anddam | it's not specifically tied to mercurial as I'm getting the same error from "aptitude upgrade" with no outdated packages |
| 14:27.49 | salamand1r | Trewas: thanx, it does looks fine, im looking it in my other pc now. FU.... I will take a picture |
| 14:27.54 | jordanm | Synthead: yes, since you use puppet, you don't even need to do a whole lot in FAI other than get puppet installed |
| 14:28.22 | Trewas | salamand1r: maybe your resolution is not the correct one and the monitor scales the image? |
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| 14:29.05 | nsadmin | does it say Processing triggers for python-support when you try to upgrade? |
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| 14:30.45 | boudiccas | littlebit; use winff, its a front end for ffmpeg and you may be able to do it easier with it |
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| 14:32.16 | littlebit | boudiccas: i 4got to mention that I have debian installed as a base system and in a vbox |
| 14:32.26 | littlebit | with little ram |
| 14:32.28 | littlebit | and dh |
| 14:32.29 | littlebit | hd |
| 14:32.32 | salamand1r | Trewas: if the image captured looks fine but in my monitor the icons, fonts, and windows looks out of focus, but not the console or the tty. What can it be???? |
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| 14:33.10 | Trewas | salamand1r: as I said previously, possibly wrong resolution (non-native of the monitor) |
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| 14:34.30 | salamand1r | the resolution is fine, is the native resolution. Samsung SyncMaster750s |
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| 14:34.51 | aguitel | i am in squeeze running nvidia-173 driver ,my question is about upgrade to wheezy ;wheezy are running xorg 1.10 and is not compatible with 173 driver ,my question is :is possible upgrading and before that look xorg version in squeeze ? |
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| 14:36.02 | Trewas | salamand1r: uh, CRT looks always blurry and out of focus ;) |
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| 14:36.20 | salamand1r | LO |
| 14:36.22 | salamand1r | LOL |
| 14:36.26 | salamand1r | yes it does |
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| 14:38.21 | salamand1r | Trewas: let me ask you something else. My video card is an ATI RADEON 9700 Pro and it is working with the RADEON R300 module that debian recomends for this videocard. How can I check if it is not a driver or module issue?? |
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| 14:39.30 | Cryp71c | Anyone have any assistance / recommendations on how to get graphics drivers working for an ATI Radeon HD 3470? I already downloaded this: http://support.amd.com/us/gpudownload/linux/Pages/radeon_linux.aspx?type=2.4.1&product=2.4.1.3.42&lang=English |
| 14:39.51 | Cryp71c | chmod +x and ran it as root, it brought up a GUI for installing the driver, which I proceeded through, restarted..and the driver still isn't loading. |
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| 14:40.06 | Cryp71c | When I sudo modprobe radeon, the video display cuts off (monitor goes into standby) |
| 14:40.57 | babilen | salamand1r: First of all make sure that you have firmware-linux-nonfree and libgl1-mesa-dri installed. You could also upgrade to a newer Xorg version from backports (/msg dpkg bdo) -- Another route of investigation would be to test fglrx (/msg dpkg fglrx dkms) -- Tests with a different screen would also shed some light on the particular issue, but I have to confess that I don't really see a big problem with the picture you've pasted. |
| 14:43.27 | babilen | Cryp71c: Well, we do not support that driver and don't recommend it. In most cases radeon cards should be well supported by the radeon module and you have to install firmware-linux-nonfree and libgl1-mesa-dri for 3D hardware acceleration. If your particular GPU is not supported by the version in squeeze you can pull a newer Xorg from backports (/msg dpkg bdo) -- The proprietary fglrx driver (distinct to radeon and what you installed manually) can ... |
| 14:43.33 | babilen | ... be installed on Debian by following the instructions in "/msg dpkg fglrx dkms" -- I mostly used the free radeon driver with good results though and would recommend to try that first. |
| 14:43.47 | aguitel | babilen, i you read my lines ? |
| 14:44.44 | labneh | Hi, I am an occasional linux user who just completly switch from windows to a debian dist, I am having some problems with HDMI sound not working, I didn't want to paste the details here, but if anyone can take look here: http://hpaste.org/raw/64109 for the details,I would greatly appreciate it, thx |
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| 14:45.55 | babilen | aguitel: Wheezy has Xorg 1.11 and the legacy nvidia driver can be installed as per the instructions in "/msg dpkg nvidia dkms-173xx" -- (Make sure that you install the correct kernel header package as the instructions are for squeeze -- Essentially something like linux-headers-amd64 or -686-pae or so) |
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| 14:46.39 | babilen | aguitel: Please also note that #debian-next is a channel on irc.oftc.net specifically for testing/unstable support. |
| 14:46.41 | imMute | WRT apt-get itself and dpkg: are the Section, Priority and Essential "tags" on packages used? |
| 14:46.47 | salamand1r | babilen: libgl1-mesa-dri is installed, firmware-linux-nonfree is not. I have tested 3d working properly with glxgears (mesa-utils) and it does work. I have not tested fgxlr because I didn't wanted to install not free drivers but y showld test it. |
| 14:47.30 | gnarface | hey labneh i remember you from yesterday. your lspci output only had one soundcard listed, the onboard one; i thought you had two so i gave you the wrong advice |
| 14:47.39 | babilen | salamand1r: You will most likely need the firmware that is provided by firmware-linux-nonfree |
| 14:48.31 | labneh | gnarface: yes ! what do you think .. |
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| 14:49.52 | gnarface | labneh: i think you should read up on the snd_hda_intel driver to see if they've gotten HDMI sound output working for the particular hardware you have, and how to enable it |
| 14:50.08 | babilen | labneh: Given that you are running testing you might also want to take it to #debian-next on irc.oftc.net -- That being said: it is quite likely that you use pulseaudio and that you have to configure alsa to use PA by default. That can be achieved with a /etc/asound.conf like http://paste.debian.net/157053/ -- You have to relogin for that to take effect after restarting alsa-utils -- You can then play with pavucontrol and check if selecting the ... |
| 14:50.15 | babilen | ... correct output device solves the issue. Please also read "man speaker-test" and test output with "speaker-test -t wav -DWHATEVER" (see the documentation for the WHATEVER part) |
| 14:50.45 | babilen | labneh: HDMI is also closely linked to your GPU and playing with different GPU drivers might be worth a try. I don't have much HDMI experience myself, but which GPU do you have and which driver do you use? |
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| 14:51.10 | salamand1r | than you very much babilen I will try it now |
| 14:51.38 | babilen | salamand1r: If that doesn't give any better results, try fglrx (/msg dpkg fglrx dkms) and a different screen. |
| 14:51.41 | jelly | HDMI audio on non-free nvidia is a PITA to set up |
| 14:52.03 | babilen | jelly: Ok, thanks for pointing that out |
| 14:52.18 | jelly | if there's only one card, onboard intel gpu, things ought to be simpler |
| 14:52.32 | jhutchins_wk | Do you suppose that has to do with the DRM features? |
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| 14:52.52 | jelly | if there're two card, a pulseaudio bug also appears. PA only shows the first HDMI output |
| 14:53.19 | babilen | salamand1r: Btw: Please paste the output of the commands I mentioned earlier ... I still recommend a clean squeeze installation, but you seem to be adamant to go ahead with your (probably) broken system and we should at least ensure that you are more-or-less upgraded. |
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| 14:55.04 | labneh | babilen: gnarface, I use Radeon 6430M --but now that you mentioned that .. .. so here's what happened. i downloaded the non-free diver from amd.com ... installed with all the kernel header and such .. and my system hangs after a reboot .. SO i uninstalled and I decided to stick with the intel HD card .. I forgot to mention that I have hybrid graphic cards .. the ATI Radeon and the Intel |
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| 14:58.03 | Cryp71c | babilen, I would like to get the AMD drivers installed, so I'm pursuing the instructions given by dpkg when I PM him...however, when I run the recommended command, I get the following text: http://pastebin.com/zxMtXu9F |
| 14:58.14 | babilen | labneh: No idea, but we neither support nor recommend amd.com's driver -- See "/msg dpkg fglrx dkms" for Debian-style installation instructions. |
| 14:58.17 | Cryp71c | babilen, I am unsure as to how / what to do to resolve this, or if I need to do anything at all. |
| 14:58.40 | salamand1r | babilen: would you please write those commands againt. Im working with irssi in TTY and not familiar with this. I cat scroll back |
| 14:58.42 | Cryp71c | (other than just "Y") |
| 14:58.58 | babilen | labneh: but let me note once again that I have no experience with HDMI and please also see jelly's remarks. (they were about nvidia though and I am not sure if the same holds true to ati cards) |
| 14:59.34 | labneh | babilen: thx for the advice. |
| 14:59.56 | babilen | salamand1r: PageUp should work -- I am talking about "apt-cache policy", "aptitude versions ~o" and "aptitude search '?narrow(?not(?archive("^[^n][^o].*$")),?version(CURRENT))'" -- Please paste the output of these commands along with "uname -a" to http://paste.debian.net |
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| 15:01.07 | babilen | Cryp71c: Well, you should *either* use radeon (and make sure that fglrx is *not* installed (either from amd.com which we do not support or from Debian packages) or fglrx and you should install the latter per the instructions in "/msg dpkg fglrx dkms" |
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| 15:02.01 | Cryp71c | babilen, I'll probably just go with radeon...but I've already installed fglrx -_- |
| 15:02.10 | Cryp71c | Reinstall my distro and come back? |
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| 15:03.02 | Cryp71c | hrm, yeah that's what I'll do. be back in a bit. |
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| 15:12.36 | salamand1r | going to x-environment |
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| 15:14.46 | ronin___ | hi all, I wanna add vpn but I can't see add button on configure vpn! Do you have any suggestion? |
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| 15:15.22 | ivov | is there any way to retrieve the answers I gave during installation regarding the manual partitioning? I want to use these answers to generate a preseed file |
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| 15:16.18 | salamand1r | babilen: Posting 157057 from salamandr posted at 2012-02-21 16:14:39 expires: 2012-02-22 16:14:39 |
| 15:16.44 | salamand1r | there I have posted the apt-cahe policy output |
| 15:17.16 | salamand1r | babilen: the other command give no output at all |
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| 15:17.42 | babilen | salamand1r: Ok, good |
| 15:17.46 | salamand1r | well, uname -r 2.6.32-5-686 |
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| 15:19.13 | ivov | can anyone point me towards a working preseed configuration files that actually uses manual configuration? |
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| 15:20.27 | ivov | manual configuration for partitioning ofcoursse |
| 15:21.09 | sidney_ | How do you install programs when apt-get doesn't |
| 15:21.47 | babilen | !tell sidney_ -about bat |
| 15:22.33 | sidney_ | googling |
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| 15:26.27 | babilen | sidney_: No, please read what our bot (dpkg) just told you in a private message and paste the command you executed along with its output + additional information (sources.list, "apt-cache policy" output) to http://paste.debian.net |
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| 15:26.45 | sidney_ | if the program is not in I'm thinking repository apt-get will not help so what is the next option for installing a program |
| 15:26.59 | babilen | Which package are you referring to? |
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| 15:27.09 | sidney_ | conky |
| 15:27.27 | babilen | sidney_: conky is in contrib |
| 15:27.36 | babilen | !tell sidney_ -about make squeeze sources.list |
| 15:28.07 | Iridos | actually, can't we bump that one up to the sources.list factoid? |
| 15:28.19 | babilen | sidney_: Follow those instructions and ensure that you enable contrib (and non-free) -- Essentially make sure that every deb/deb-src line in your /etc/apt/sources.list ends in "main contrib non-free" -- Run "apt-get update" and you should be able to install conky with "apt-get install conky" |
| 15:28.31 | babilen | Iridos: Not a bad idea :) |
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| 15:28.49 | DelTree | apt-get ? |
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| 15:29.21 | babilen | DelTree: apt-get is (just like aptitude) a tool to install/remove/manage software on Debian systems |
| 15:29.55 | DelTree | babilen: know that... but I thought you'd talk about aptitude... and that apt-get is deprecated... |
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| 15:30.42 | babilen | DelTree: That is not the case |
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| 15:31.28 | babilen | DelTree: I mix&match both apt-get and aptitude -- I use apt-get most of the time unless I need aptitude's interactive resolver or search functionality (/msg dpkg aptitude search) |
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| 15:32.05 | DelTree | aptitude interactive ? the dselect-looking horror ? |
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| 15:32.46 | project2501a | i don't quite understand why i cannot reset my network settings doing a /etc/init.d/networking restart? the interfaces seem? untouched. |
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| 15:33.42 | babilen | DelTree: No, that is not what I am referring to. I mean that aptitude proposes multiple solutions and that you can cycle through them when you install/remove packages. ("Do you accept this solution? [Y/n]" -- You can say "n" and it will show you the next (lower scored) solution) |
| 15:33.56 | salamand1r | babilen: I'm back. I have solved the issue installing firmware-linux-nonfree thank you very much. Now, about the commands that you sugested me to post... aptitude search "'?narrow(?not(?archive(^[^n][^o].*)),version(CURRENT))'" has no output |
| 15:34.10 | DelTree | babilen: oh that... yes... that is good... ^_^ |
| 15:34.15 | babilen | salamand1r: Ok, that is good. What about "aptitude search ~o" ? |
| 15:34.38 | salamand1r | no output |
| 15:34.41 | babilen | (shouldn't find any packages as well) |
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| 15:35.27 | babilen | salamand1r: Ok, you are good to go! And great that installing the firmware solved the issue! Is there anything else I can do for you? (And *please* note that you have to follow the release notes for dist-upgrades) |
| 15:35.28 | salamand1r | babilen: are those to search for broken dependencies or something like that?? |
| 15:35.56 | babilen | salamand1r: Those search for obsolete or other packages that are not available in the repositories you have installed (in the installed version) |
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| 15:36.43 | babilen | s/installed/configured |
| 15:36.45 | babilen | *sigh* |
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| 15:37.25 | anddam | I remember it was sometime suggested to run "apt-get" without command when it broke so to finish pending tasks, is this correct? If so is there something similar for aptitude since I'm getting https://gist.github.com/1876770 ? |
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| 15:38.28 | babilen | anddam: You are thinking about "apt-get -f install" and "aptitude -f install" -- Those commands with execute pending actions. (you can cancel them in aptitude with "aptitude keep-all") -- Another way is "dpkg --configure -a" -- But lets take a look at your paste first. |
| 15:38.39 | ronin___ | hi all, I wanna add vpn but I can't see add button on configure vpn! Do you have any suggestion? |
| 15:38.43 | anddam | ok, have a look |
| 15:38.50 | babilen | anddam: Hmm, yummy :) |
| 15:38.51 | salamand1r | babilen: thank you again. Now, new suject. To insall a java plugin for google-chrome there is a command-line way?? maybe aptitude install jre-something? |
| 15:39.04 | babilen | !tell salamand1r about install java |
| 15:39.21 | babilen | salamand1r: I recommend the OpenJDK and icedtea variant |
| 15:39.28 | anddam | babilen: ? |
| 15:39.40 | nitzs | I am not sure how grub2 uses the iso-scan directive to mount iso images. This method first boots the kernel, then scans for the iso image and executes init from this image? |
| 15:39.44 | salamand1r | babilen: isnt icedtea for iceweasel?? |
| 15:39.58 | ksuhku | no |
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| 15:40.09 | babilen | anddam: Looks as if localepurge is b0rken on your system. I don't know that tool very well and would recommend to just nuke it from the system. |
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| 15:41.56 | babilen | salamand1r: Hmm, right -- It is specifically for xulrunner browsers ... This raises the question how to install a plugin for chromium. I would just install java and chromium and see what happens. If that doesn't work come back ;) |
| 15:42.16 | Th0rsten | Hi |
| 15:42.23 | babilen | salamand1r: Oh, and you are using google-chrome and not chromium ... no idea, sorry :) |
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| 15:42.39 | anddam | babilen: ok, is there some command I should run, like "apt-get -f install"? |
| 15:42.41 | Th0rsten | can someone tell me why grub does not recognize the kernel i installed via backports? |
| 15:43.08 | babilen | anddam: remove localepurge (or fix its error -- you installed and (presumably) configured it. There seems to be something wrong with that) |
| 15:43.21 | nitzs | Th0rsten: did you do a 'update-grub'? |
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| 15:43.45 | Th0rsten | yes i allready did, it was also done automatically after installing the image |
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| 15:45.08 | Th0rsten | it also mentioned: "Found linux image: /boot/vmlinuz-3.2.0-0.bpo.1-amd64" but it is not available during boot |
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| 15:45.51 | nitzs | Th0rsten: do you mean it doesn't show up in the grub's menu? |
| 15:46.05 | babilen | Th0rsten: Is it configured in /boot/grub/grub.cfg ? |
| 15:46.17 | Th0rsten | yes i mean the menu |
| 15:46.31 | babilen | Th0rsten: Could you paste that file to http://paste.debian.net ? |
| 15:46.33 | anddam | babilen: unluckily I know little about deb packages and apt hooks, and I don't have time atm |
| 15:46.37 | anddam | babilen: I'll file a ticket |
| 15:46.42 | anddam | thanks |
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| 15:47.36 | Th0rsten | http://paste.debian.net/157062/ |
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| 15:49.33 | babilen | Th0rsten: yeah, it is configured and grub should show it during boot -- Do you by chance run another linux distribution on your system? |
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| 15:50.20 | Th0rsten | i run a windows in paralell, but it should only be one debian. but something failed in my first install so installed it a second time. maybe something went wrong there? |
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| 15:51.22 | babilen | Th0rsten: Well, grub is configured correctly. It might be worth a try to run "update-grub2 ; grub-install /dev/sda" (if you boot from there and grub is installed on sda) |
| 15:51.39 | Th0rsten | sda would be the mbr? |
| 15:51.47 | Th0rsten | there is my windows boot manager |
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| 15:52.06 | nitzs | so how do you boot debian? |
| 15:52.37 | Th0rsten | grub is on another partition |
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| 15:54.06 | anddam | babilen: I think my issue can be fixed by http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=620239 |
| 15:54.22 | babilen | Th0rsten: yeah, install os-prober and run "update-grub2" -- It should pick up your windows installation. You can then install grub to the MBR. |
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| 15:55.06 | Th0rsten | i am thinking about an windows upgrade in the near future, so i would prefer to leave it this way |
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| 15:55.15 | Th0rsten | my grub is installed on /dev/sda5 |
| 15:55.55 | nitzs | Th0rsten: you can boot into windows via grub. |
| 15:56.19 | Th0rsten | yes, but if i upgrade to windows 8 it wil kill grub again? |
| 15:56.29 | babilen | (most people do and it is indeed the recommended way) |
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| 15:56.55 | nitzs | yes. it will. you'll have to re-install grub, then. |
| 15:57.18 | Th0rsten | cant i just reinstall grub to /dev/sda5 ? |
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| 15:57.52 | babilen | Th0rsten: Just convince Windows not to touch the MBR (should be possible, shouldn't it) -- Ok, just kidding. You have to reinstall grub after the Windows installation and the procedure is detailed in "/msg dpkg fixmbr" (you can use any live cd) -- Note that grub will most likely not pick up the windows installation from within the chroot, so that you have to do the "update-grub2 ; grub-install /dev/sda" dance again after booting into Debian proper |
| 15:58.35 | Th0rsten | so it is better to use grub in mbr? i read in a tutorial i should use windows boot manager there |
| 15:58.41 | Th0rsten | thats why i am hesitating |
| 15:58.48 | nitzs | Th0rsten: yes. babilen is correct. |
| 15:59.03 | sickgut | im using a debian squeeze 32bit vps, it has openssh-server installed but is working on ports 19,22 and 23. I want to disable it on 23, so that i can run normal telnet on 23. how can i disable openssh-server on port 23? |
| 15:59.24 | nitzs | though i still don't understand how can you boot into debian via the windows loader? |
| 15:59.30 | salamand1r | babilen: IcedTea - Versión: 1.8.10 working properly in google-chrome browser. Tank you again very mucho |
| 15:59.33 | petemc | sickgut: look in /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
| 15:59.33 | salamand1r | much |
| 15:59.38 | sickgut | thanks |
| 15:59.50 | babilen | salamand1r: Wonderful -- Have a nice day and enjoy your Debian experience :) |
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| 16:00.08 | Th0rsten | nitzs: i used this tutorial: http://www.linuxbsdos.com/2011/02/17/how-to-dual-boot-debian-6-and-windows-7/ |
| 16:00.34 | Th0rsten | should i remove the grub currently installed on sda5? |
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| 16:01.50 | sidney_ | paste.debian.net/157064 do I remove these entries and add new ones? |
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| 16:02.16 | nitzs | Th0rsten: just type those two commands babilen told you about. |
| 16:02.23 | babilen | sidney_: You are missing "contrib" in there |
| 16:02.59 | babilen | Th0rsten: Just do as I say and there will be world peace, hugs & kittens for everyone and a fixed and working grub |
| 16:03.14 | Th0rsten | :D |
| 16:03.18 | Th0rsten | ok rebooting now |
| 16:03.22 | Th0rsten | thx allready :) |
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| 16:05.19 | ksuhku | how come conky is in contrib? |
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| 16:05.38 | ksuhku | i.e. instead of main |
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| 16:07.23 | jordanm | ksuhku: maybe it download non-free software? |
| 16:07.34 | jordanm | the real package is conky-all |
| 16:08.12 | ksuhku | looks like it's contrib only in squeeze fwiw |
| 16:08.16 | nitzs | ksuhku: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=579102 |
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| 16:09.04 | ksuhku | nitzs, thanks |
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| 16:15.16 | infinite | Hello Folks: I just compiled sandbox from Gentoo using Debian Wiki; There is no manpages for sandbox, how do I know it is working? Thanks, #Gentoo dont know either |
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| 16:20.49 | Th0rsten | hi again |
| 16:21.04 | Th0rsten | thx now grub is working and i have a good resolution :D |
| 16:21.19 | Th0rsten | unfortunately my wireless lan has stopped working :/ |
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| 16:21.49 | Th0rsten | it is an broadcom 4313 it worked with the old kernel |
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| 16:25.31 | babilen | Th0rsten: You need firmware-brcm80211 from backports as well (apt-get -t squeeze-backports install firmware-brcm80211) |
| 16:26.19 | babilen | Th0rsten: Reload the module after installing the package and paste the output of "modprobe -r brcmsmac ; modprobe brcmsmac ; dmesg|tail -n23" to http://paste.debian.net |
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| 16:26.23 | Th0rsten | it tells me the file is up to date |
| 16:27.00 | babilen | Th0rsten: What does "apt-cache policy ; apt-cache policy firmware-brcm80211" and "modprobe -r brcmsmac ; modprobe brcmsmac ; dmesg|tail -n23" give you? |
| 16:27.54 | Th0rsten | sry for the dumb question, but how do i give an output to pastebinit in bash? |
| 16:28.21 | babilen | !pastebinit |
| 16:28.22 | dpkg | pastebinit is a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>; convenient if you don't have a graphical interface. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | pastebinit". See also <nopaste>. |
| 16:28.38 | Th0rsten | thanks |
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| 16:29.31 | babilen | Th0rsten: pastebinit works but is horrible code -- You can pipe into it "cmd ; pastebinit -b http://paste.debian.net" or paste files with it "pastebinit file" -- I would recommend script(1) to generate a script with all the output you need and paste that. Please read "man script" to learn how to use it. |
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| 16:29.49 | Dvorak_ | What can I do if I wan't to contribute to Debian and I have an fiber internet connection? |
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| 16:31.03 | babilen | Dvorak_: I don't see how a fiber connection is relevant, but various ways of contributing are discussed on http://upsilon.cc/~zack/blog/posts/2010/12/how_to_contribute_to_Debian/ |
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| 16:32.17 | Th0rsten | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:32.27 | Th0rsten | everything else produced no output |
| 16:32.27 | squidly | I've got a server that I'm net booting to the installer. |
| 16:32.30 | Mohsen_Hassani | Can I install wheezy festival package on squeeze? |
| 16:32.42 | babilen | curses pastebin.com |
| 16:32.52 | squidly | The installer does not see the detect the HDD. ANy idea where I could look at? |
| 16:33.40 | Th0rsten | i think it might be kind of deactivated via software? if i click on my connections, there is stated that wirless lan is deactivated |
| 16:34.10 | Cryp71c | Are there any debian (or synaptic) packages for the openjava 7 releases? |
| 16:34.21 | babilen | Th0rsten: Ok, could you try "apt-get -t squeeze-backports install firmware-brcm80211" again? |
| 16:34.32 | Cryp71c | I already have non-free and backports enabled, wasn't sure if there were others I had left off. |
| 16:34.46 | babilen | ,versions firmware-brcm80211 --arch amd64 |
| 16:34.47 | judd | Package: firmware-brcm80211 on amd64 -- lenny-backports/non-free: 0.27~bpo50+1; squeeze/non-free: 0.28+squeeze1; squeeze-backports/non-free: 0.35~bpo60+1; sid/non-free: 0.35; wheezy/non-free: 0.35 |
| 16:35.44 | Cryp71c | ,versions openjdk-7-jre --arch i686 |
| 16:35.45 | judd | Package: openjdk-7-jre on i386 -- wheezy: 7~b147-2.0-1; sid: 7~u3-2.1-1 |
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| 16:36.00 | babilen | Th0rsten: Ah, sorry. I see the mistake. You are missing the "contrib non-free" part in your sources.list for backports. Please make sure that the backports line ends in "main contrib non-free" in your sources.list too, run "apt-get update" and "apt-get -t squeeze-backports install firmware-brcm80211" |
| 16:36.11 | babilen | Th0rsten: you can then reload the module and everyhting should (hopefully) work |
| 16:36.39 | Th0rsten | should i manually edit the sources list? last time i wanted to do that it was strongly discouraged here |
| 16:36.48 | izepstan | http://pastebin.com/5MhvGYP8 error there on line 269 after that my grub.cfg |
| 16:37.04 | babilen | Th0rsten: I can't think of a single reason for not editing your sources.list by hand |
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| 16:38.16 | lynks | is it possible to add a user with ssh access, without allowing them to cd 'above' their home directory? |
| 16:38.29 | babilen | !tell lynks -about scponly |
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| 16:39.14 | deego | On debian64 squeeze, I have the package fontconfig, which provides the command fc. But, strangely, 'which fc' returns nothing. |
| 16:39.19 | deego | There is no /usr/bin/fc. |
| 16:39.21 | Th0rsten | ok rebooting now |
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| 16:39.28 | deego | Where is my system finding the command fc, then? |
| 16:39.30 | deego | It's not an alias. |
| 16:39.39 | babilen | Th0rsten: No need to reboot -- Just reload the module |
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| 16:40.02 | deego | oh, did I miss a response? |
| 16:40.06 | Th0rsten | im almost afraid to ask, but how? |
| 16:40.07 | lynks | babilen: thanks, do i need this extra package or can i just chroot ssh somehow? |
| 16:40.35 | babilen | deego: I am not aware of any "fc" command -- Are you mayhaps looking for "fc-list" or another command listed in "dpkg -L fontconfig" ? |
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| 16:41.08 | deego | babilen: if you have fontconfig installed, just type 'fc' and see. |
| 16:41.12 | Trewas | deego: it's a bash builtin command |
| 16:41.20 | ksuhku | hdd |
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| 16:41.40 | deego | Trewas: I see. Thanks. |
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| 16:42.03 | deego | Trewas: Any clue why 'man fc' doesn't help. Also, does 'which' return nothing for built-ins? is that normal? |
| 16:42.17 | babilen | deego: "help fc" |
| 16:42.19 | deego | "No manual entry for fc" |
| 16:42.24 | deego | ah, thanks. |
| 16:42.33 | deego | thanks very much babilen and Trewas. |
| 16:42.34 | Trewas | deego: yes, it's norma, but help fc shows it |
| 16:42.42 | Trewas | damn laggy network ;) |
| 16:42.47 | babilen | deego: That is completely unrelated to fontconfig though, so I am still not sure what you are referring to |
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| 16:43.17 | deego | babilen: True, sorry. |
| 16:43.57 | ksx4system | what should I install to make software raid 0? |
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| 16:44.14 | jelly | ksx4system: mdadm |
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| 16:44.59 | ksuhku | squidly, one guy the other day had similar issue and he said pci=nomsi worked for him, no idea if it would work for you |
| 16:45.18 | ksuhku | as in a kernel parameter |
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| 16:45.31 | jelly | ksx4system: or lvm2 if you really want to, there are competing implementations |
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| 16:45.47 | Th0rsten | hi its me again :/ |
| 16:45.55 | babilen | Th0rsten: hmm? |
| 16:45.59 | Th0rsten | i rebooted my system, but wireless lan still does not work |
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| 16:46.17 | babilen | Th0rsten: Are you sure? What does "iwconfig" return? (as root) |
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| 16:46.51 | Cryp71c | Why doesn't squeeze have a openjre 7 package? |
| 16:46.56 | ksx4system | jelly: I have no idea what will be better for me. I'd like to create raid0 using two exactly identical pendrives to provide more space (it's hacked thin client running squeeze on 1Gb SLC flash) |
| 16:46.57 | Th0rsten | http://pastebin.com/t0FjkiE3 |
| 16:47.04 | babilen | Cryp71c: Because it hasn't been released when squeeze was frozen |
| 16:47.29 | Cryp71c | babilen, ah, is there a way to get it on squeeze via a package? |
| 16:47.30 | babilen | Th0rsten: Please use "-b http://paste.debian.net" as option to pastebinit -- I *hate* pastebin.com |
| 16:47.45 | Th0rsten | ok sry for that |
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| 16:48.06 | jelly | ksx4system: use mdadm and forget I said anything about lvm |
| 16:48.16 | ksx4system | jelly: thanks :) |
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| 16:48.36 | babilen | Th0rsten: And "iwlist wlan0 scan" ? (no need to paste it, does it list wireless networks?) |
| 16:49.20 | Th0rsten | "interface doesnt support scanning: Network is down" |
| 16:49.32 | squidly | ksuhku: I will try that thanks |
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| 16:49.54 | babilen | Th0rsten: "ifconfig wlan0 up ; iwlist wlan0 scan" ? |
| 16:50.08 | delkin | I am running: 'sudo modprobe fuse', but then 'lsmod | grep fuse' returns nothing... What might be wrong? |
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| 16:51.03 | Th0rsten | it seems to find much now |
| 16:51.19 | Th0rsten | but i dont see anything in the network manager gui oO |
| 16:51.54 | BrixSat | hello i have seted up debian on a hp server with raid1 by software and after all the install i dont get grub :( (no boot at all) |
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| 16:52.16 | ksx4system | jelly: well, these pendrives are preformatted as fat32. Should I ignore that and just begin with mdadm (...and then format raid device as ext4)? |
| 16:52.25 | babilen | Th0rsten: That is a completely different problem (related to network-manager and not to the device itself) -- Take the interface down with "ifconfig wlan0 down" and paste your /etc/network/interfaces to http://paste.debian.net please |
| 16:52.27 | ryann | BrixSat: are you able to boot from a live cd/usb disk? |
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| 16:52.49 | BrixSat | ryann: yes |
| 16:52.55 | BrixSat | live ubuntu for example |
| 16:53.01 | babilen | Th0rsten: Oh, rather make sure that wlan0 is *not* mentioned in there -- You should read /usr/share/doc/network-manager/README.Debian and http://wiki.debian.org/NetworkManager |
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| 16:53.35 | sanitypassing | hey, what's ths package name for curses? I can't seem to find it on the Google. |
| 16:54.00 | ryann | you can boot live, assemble the software raid, mount to /mnt/tmp, then grub-install --root-directory=/mnt/tmp/ /dev/sda |
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| 16:54.15 | sidney_ | http://paste.debian.net/157073/ does this look correct |
| 16:54.30 | babilen | sidney_: No |
| 16:54.32 | Th0rsten | the more i ask, the more stupid i feel |
| 16:54.35 | BrixSat | one sec ryann |
| 16:54.55 | sanitypassing | Ah, nevermind. I found it on http://packages.debian.org/ |
| 16:54.58 | sanitypassing | :) |
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| 16:55.15 | babilen | sidney_: One second please -- I'll fix your paste (lots of bogus spaces in there) |
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| 16:55.59 | sidney_ | are the exe files what makes windows so insecure? |
| 16:56.03 | Th0rsten | http://paste.debian.net/157075/ |
| 16:56.07 | babilen | sidney_: http://paste.debian.net/157074/ (You could also enable source repositories by copying every line in there and replacing "deb" with "deb-src" |
| 16:56.49 | babilen | Th0rsten: That looks fine -- What do you have in /etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf ? |
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| 16:57.32 | sidney_ | babilen, Is that a better way |
| 16:57.33 | HSorgYves | sidney_: it does NOT look correct, check the spelling of squeeze |
| 16:57.46 | babilen | sidney_: yes, I've just pasted a corrected version and gave you the link |
| 16:57.46 | Th0rsten | http://paste.debian.net/157076/ |
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| 16:58.42 | babilen | Th0rsten: That looks fine as well -- How does network-manager behave exactly? Are wireless network merely not listed or is the interface not managed? (i.e. do you see something along the lines of "no wireless interface") |
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| 16:59.09 | Th0rsten | i see something like wireless networks are deactivated |
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| 16:59.30 | babilen | Th0rsten: Right click on the applet and make sure that wireless networks are enabled |
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| 17:00.21 | Th0rsten | feels really dumb now |
| 17:00.26 | babilen | hehe |
| 17:00.29 | Th0rsten | thanks you absolutely saved me |
| 17:00.40 | Th0rsten | i wish i could give you some beer :D |
| 17:00.41 | babilen | !champagne Th0rsten and babilen |
| 17:00.41 | dpkg | puts on a sexy miniskirt and showers Th0rsten and babilen in the finest Dom Perignon champagne. |
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| 17:00.49 | BrixSat | ryann: how do i assemble the raid? |
| 17:00.52 | Th0rsten | :D |
| 17:01.09 | babilen | Th0rsten: If you ever happen to be in Scotland give me a shout ;) |
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| 17:01.48 | Th0rsten | ok cya guys |
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| 17:01.56 | babilen | Th0rsten: Have fun! |
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| 17:02.01 | Th0rsten | i will :) |
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| 17:03.21 | bs0d | Hello everybody |
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| 17:05.49 | bs0d | I have created 2 vpn connections there, but they are not started. |
| 17:05.49 | bs0d | /var/log/syslog does not tell any warnings / errors on vpn |
| 17:05.50 | bs0d | those 2 vpn connections I have created look grayed on the list, no way to turn them on / off |
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| 17:08.24 | BrixSat | ryann: ? |
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| 17:08.43 | ryann | BrixSat: mdadm --assemble --scan |
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| 17:08.56 | babilen | BrixSat: Just ask if you have a question |
| 17:09.05 | sidney_ | I must have done something wrong. I still dont see conky in synaptic |
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| 17:09.32 | Iridos | we just had that... it's in contrib in squeeze |
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| 17:10.07 | babilen | sidney_: "apt-cache policy ; apt-cache policy conky" gives you what? |
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| 17:10.33 | sidney_ | Iridos, i just updated the repo maybe i entered something incorrectly |
| 17:10.38 | BrixSat | thks ryann :) |
| 17:10.42 | Iridos | sidney_, did you add contrib to your sources.list and ran apt-get update? |
| 17:10.45 | BrixSat | thks ryann :) |
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| 17:11.06 | babilen | sidney_: Did you use the sources.list I gave you earlier? Please paste yours along with the output of the command I mentioned earlier to http://paste.debian.net |
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| 17:11.10 | BrixSat | ryann: mdadm: /dev/md/0 has been started with 2 drives. |
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| 17:11.21 | BrixSat | ryann: now should i mount them? |
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| 17:12.03 | ryann | BrixSat, yes |
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| 17:13.05 | ryann | you've also made sure that one, of not both, of these physical hard disks are selected in the BIOS boot order, correct? |
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| 17:13.13 | BrixSat | ryann: Installation finished. No error reported. |
| 17:13.13 | ryann | *if not |
| 17:13.21 | BrixSat | ryann: should i reboot? |
| 17:13.26 | ryann | ok great. give it a go |
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| 17:13.32 | BrixSat | thanks |
| 17:14.07 | BrixSat | ryann: thanks |
| 17:14.16 | bs0d | I cannot manage connections in NetworkManager .. after I create them, they are in a grayed state |
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| 17:15.43 | jvogel | hey guys, anyone familiar with mounting Intel RAID volumes? |
| 17:16.01 | jvogel | I have an NTFS RAID 0 volume that was under /dev/md126, but all of a sudden it's missing... i'm not sure why |
| 17:16.21 | jvogel | I verified it's detected by bios and booted to it to make sure there wasn't any issue with it |
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| 17:16.30 | BrixSat | ryann: not booting :( |
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| 17:17.09 | ryann | make sure that the physical disk you told grub to install to (sda, sdb) is in the bios boot order |
| 17:17.16 | ryann | do you get any output at all? |
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| 17:18.11 | ryann | you can also try to install grub to both disks in the software raid, not just the first. |
| 17:18.50 | BrixSat | ryann: how? |
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| 17:19.14 | johnfg_ | hi guys |
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| 17:19.46 | johnfg_ | I'm reconfiguring arno-iptables-firewall. Is tun0 considered to be an external or internal interface? |
| 17:19.54 | ryann | boot live cd again, assemble raid, mount your installation to /mnt/whatever, and run grub-install --root-directory /mnt/whatever /dev/sda or /dev/sdb |
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| 17:20.28 | BrixSat | ryann: :) ok |
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| 17:22.00 | valdyn | johnfg_: its an interface, we cannot know if its in- or external to anything unless you tell us |
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| 17:22.13 | mms__ | what is good app to setup hotspot on debian ? I want android to be able to connect wifi to it so then I can download apps on android |
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| 17:22.43 | johnfg_ | valdyn, It's for openvpn, if that helps. |
| 17:22.48 | sidney_ | http://paste.debian.net/157082/ |
| 17:23.04 | mms_ | what is good app to setup hotspot on debian ? I want android to be able to connect wifi to it so then I can download apps on android |
| 17:23.05 | valdyn | johnfg_: does not |
| 17:23.06 | sidney_ | now my sources list is empty |
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| 17:23.47 | jelly-home | mms_: I don't know of any other than hostapd |
| 17:23.52 | valdyn | johnfg_: the question is: Is whatever is reached via that interface internal (=trusted i guess) or not. |
| 17:24.02 | mms_ | ok |
| 17:24.12 | mms_ | thanks |
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| 17:24.19 | mms_ | I hope its easy to setup |
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| 17:24.52 | johnfg_ | Yes tun0 is trusted. |
| 17:24.53 | valdyn | johnfg_: i dont really know what exactly arno-iptables-firewall wants to define as internal. I guess your lan. But an interface *name* certainly does not decide that distinction |
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| 17:26.18 | johnfg_ | I have eth0 as an external interface, and on another system I have wlan0, but I think that not having tun0 in either is keeping some traffic out. |
| 17:26.22 | valdyn | johnfg_: the package description calls your lan internal |
| 17:26.37 | johnfg_ | valdyn, Ok, I'll give that a try. |
| 17:26.58 | valdyn | johnfg_: a vpn is typically used to extend your lan, so it would be lan then |
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| 17:27.05 | valdyn | johnfg_: so internal |
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| 17:28.04 | valdyn | johnfg_: but a vpn can also be used to access the internet - thats not internal then |
| 17:28.54 | johnfg_ | valdyn, Next it asks about a subnet, using 192.168.0.0/24 as an example. If I put tun0 internal, I wonder if for a subnet I should put 10.8.0.0/24? |
| 17:29.17 | anddam | how can I see the patch applied between two versions of a specific package? |
| 17:29.40 | anddam | namely I'm experiencing this http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=563597 that is marked as close and supposedly fixed |
| 17:30.48 | gnarface | ,versions apache2.4 |
| 17:30.49 | judd | No package named 'apache2.4' was found in i386. |
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| 17:30.59 | gnarface | ,versions apache2 |
| 17:31.00 | judd | Package: apache2 on i386 -- lenny: 2.2.9-10+lenny11; lenny-proposed-updates: 2.2.9-10+lenny12; lenny-security: 2.2.9-10+lenny12; lenny-backports: 2.2.16-6+squeeze4~bpo50+1; squeeze: 2.2.16-6+squeeze4; squeeze-proposed-updates: 2.2.16-6+squeeze6; squeeze-security: 2.2.16-6+squeeze6; sid: 2.2.22-1; wheezy: 2.2.22-1 |
| 17:31.07 | anddam | I replaced /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/99-localepurge 's content with Dpkg::Post-Invoke {"/bin/echo FOO";}; but even this gives error |
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| 17:32.45 | bs0d | I have a question. Why does network manager allow to establish only 1 vpn connection out of 2? |
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| 17:33.11 | DarkUranium | hrm |
| 17:33.24 | DarkUranium | who was I talking to earlier regarding using mailman w/ exim4? |
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| 17:39.27 | antii | ehlo |
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| 17:40.14 | antii | is debian testing "stable" enough for daily use? |
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| 17:40.29 | wallee | hi all |
| 17:41.28 | wallee | hi |
| 17:41.35 | jelly-home | antii: daily use, yes, daily upgrades, no |
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| 17:42.06 | antii | jelly-home: what do recommend then |
| 17:42.06 | jelly-home | antii: if you can't handle spending a couple hours fixing issues, it's not "stable" |
| 17:42.07 | acx0 | antii, I've been using it for a year and updating pretty much daily; no problems. but that doesn't mean that it won't break |
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| 17:42.28 | jelly-home | antii: I don't know what your needs and workload are. |
| 17:42.36 | wallee | hi all |
| 17:42.56 | wallee | i have been leave debian irc for a long time |
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| 17:43.25 | jelly-home | antii: in general I'd recommend the stable release of Debian, supplanted by a selected few trusted sources of some updated packages IF you need them |
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| 17:44.05 | bs0d | Is it ok, that when I export vpn config from Network Manager, it has lines user openvpn group openvpn, but I do not have such user and group in my system? |
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| 17:46.27 | davidmogar | hello. Is it possible to send data from netcat to a cryptcat server? |
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| 17:46.52 | sidney_ | http://paste.debian.net/157086/ |
| 17:46.58 | wallee | hi |
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| 17:47.09 | izepstan | what is the best all in one webserver admin webinterface for ftp, user stuff, web aliaes and so on? |
| 17:47.12 | izepstan | webmin`? |
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| 17:48.05 | digdilem_ | sidney_, if you're just adding new repositories, just add the lines. apt will sort out which has the newest packages |
| 17:48.22 | babilen | !tell izepstan -about webmin |
| 17:48.26 | babilen | !tell izepstan -about free whcp |
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| 17:49.35 | antii | jelly-home: .o) |
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| 17:51.07 | sidney_ | Digdilem, just add the lines and save should do the trick? |
| 17:52.24 | BrixSat | ryann: well done on booth partitions |
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| 17:52.33 | izepstan | what about froxlor |
| 17:52.36 | BrixSat | anything else i can do? or just reboot? |
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| 17:53.10 | digdilem_ | sidney_, yes. although you're duping securities - if you're a purist you could remove it, and the src lines if you don't need source to everything, but even if you do, apt is smart, it'll know |
| 17:53.32 | digdilem_ | but if you're unsure, sidney_, just comment them out rather than delete the lines with a # as first character |
| 17:55.01 | sidney_ | Digdilem, I'm a windows user now which lines to comment out |
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| 17:55.25 | sidney_ | src??? |
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| 17:56.39 | megalect | Is anyone here a rudge sludger <new2> |
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| 17:57.28 | megalect | Trellik mic jelliger. Throwty a pellage plex. Spigga McGregor peggly oh dabble Hicky trellalick. You stupid pudgy fucker. Sneqqal segagal. Purital laggy oh baggal. Bucka broon broom shella muluk mic niqqer. Rooshta shpella. Plocky of pleckal bag a cuck of frin torns |
| 17:57.30 | gnarface | what's a rudge sludger ? |
| 17:57.30 | megalect | Wa Alikum salam wa rehmatullah e wa barakat. Tarka dellalie dool. Mig iff raheg hord. Raga nahoolie jeg narf. Hellage rellage o-ram well to do it pollis Scribble dee babble. Mezzle ma norf. Praggity no maddak Duck a ween wark. You shpuffy shpook ma leggin don't be such a terrorisdt. |
| 17:57.32 | megalect | Hedgy McPillik. Hocka licka meals on weals. Batman, batware, guess who could be in the next Batman movie? It could be you! Galactical tactical earns the hard way. Maggie Mig mellijopod. trar ga moogly a mix traeger Puh reb deb dejjer. fuck jalafi jalive. |
| 17:57.35 | megalect | Leepadipa did away. lovely women spit things. shnep a leppie loon. smellagajee smellamanew. Fruggity diggty! Scrunny maloo lef heel hole shlody shlicka rabbits Galactical tactical plack ass. Pawikki scrap runa mallilligram. pick tatots. Conifanible pluckin. Boom bam shpaghetti monk. |
| 17:57.36 | megalect | Sum bum parlacktical barthy backthickal. partrusially prtregally reggal megagal. You fuckin roody poot noink. Smullah jah litch jitch runhole. Shit up you bad ass. Is anyone here a rubbity deaf nard. Sniggital wathal whip. Thylacoleo carnifex for a pet, hugga ghigga micomprin. Don't fuck with my restaurant! |
| 17:57.38 | megalect | Truggity reg up rim dum, a spoon contacts the kinigigal concern. trust no one, tiger miller Michelle and jantsy with a banshee! pasa wuh thuh fail the jookified coin. Oh my gum! Oh my gum! It's oh ho ho he's here! Malika joola jalegnorf. Malika joola jalegnorf. Heggal the munch tunch taste rins. |
| 17:57.41 | megalect | Prestegious milla ma hoe. Panny meffa lick waifers. Malorf jin, jalallally jin, screggat mo meggat mo methalithal lowdown. It's oh ho ho she's here! Has anyone here ever been to the bastard zones? Shmeggal dee mech eck golms. Boon toon underwear, boon town. |
| 17:57.42 | gnarface | !ops megalect |
| 17:57.42 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: gnarface complains about: megalect |
| 17:57.43 | megalect | Veronika, days of joy, happy time for girls and boys. Fuggle dee daggle. Ploody pluck a loon, baby tunes. Hella mah nor. Snuggity rabbity pit street. Hackel meal McJellicker. Wooh wee! spagg midge mellot. Jello mic tatum. Trucka looger legga baby. martial mic reg egg trans mestrials |
| 17:57.43 | megalect | Mella Midge Mister Pluggity ricking. Rab trab traisies. fruggity hesterani knellect. Rumpin dumpin dighole. Rumpin Dumpin durds. Barvis joon a hear a harvey snards. Jellis mellis Trelalix twixt nick davey. Rawl eenf rurst o plast. Rella mahole rick. |
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| 17:57.45 | megalect | Scrunny mit tack pick jack. I'm talkin bout plucky PLUCKIE pluckie o'hare. withers ground ring air. parchookalie buckle, weeh eeh. pluckily boosier bael regget ramajot. bartoofteein regleg. Ret round hujamima bound. Tickle me timbers. Farg duddly uck uck darg marg. Hosh a mosh a luke a leek a leggin! Audacity of it all, you feel small |
| 17:57.47 | megalect | Clarbudgy cabujjin, Carblinkin carblastan carbleggegg. Are bastion you jastuin. We're all for the Kardassians who lost the war against the Federation, don't you tell worf we need another ration. Fargleb skeeol skowl all bleb. carmattick raticular pledge mahole heel. Mettick marial mahoney blastokist |
| 17:57.49 | megalect | Shmartooty boots breath. Rennimino rick taid. Renniminnow rick taid. Carbloochy bad ass. Renna ma nick patrol. A chucka oo maow maow, chucka oo maow maow, a chucka oo mow maow, chucka oo maow maow. Panta hoasta leeka tolweth hade. Rum dump dump digalagger. |
| 17:57.51 | megalect | Cannabalism regamalan. Bardacian bull-horne mooses aren't in this quadrant of the galaxy. Playin' Star Trek Online cause it's free to play, just like All Points Bulletin: Reloaded and Final Fantasy XIV. Eee dah climp lah plocky ug tug tech. |
| 17:57.53 | megalect | I went out with twenty of those rebbity jellickers. we're all midge millickers. Puh reb deb dejjer. Galactical tactical plack ass. Rump tump tiddle doo, rump dump damn. Ban ricky ban glicky jallo whip! Pahorp pahilla thin meffrin. Reggal dee deck shweener. It doesn't eat muggo whip. |
| 17:57.56 | megalect | It's a piece of paiper. Scrubbity ass ragamahoun. Raggity ass maga muffin. maggity von heffrin Shtooty mic blackened. Shooty hick black and pick tatots. hugga ghigga micomprin. Don't fuck with my restaurant! Truggity reg up rim dum. a spoon contacts the kinigigal concern. trust no one, tiger miller. |
| 17:57.57 | megalect | Michelle and jantsy with a banshee. prebelally mobijowrist. Fartily gas farts on someone's jacket. Where's spongy brother. eye heeker playmus guy. Helly midge mushkin. Rumina mee drowls wall width. |
| 17:57.59 | megalect | I've got your mother's pussy juice bottled, I sell it out of my house |
| 17:58.02 | megalect | S.ll.a.g.g.y mc pit street. Hustler hova heeva Chick ova heeva ova heeva. Braxalarian blalalxrals. snuggity rab rab rabbits. Snuggies aren't selling anymore. most people don't know what a "snuggie" is. Halla micka wheel wyaujtkchtpt. |
| 17:58.03 | megalect | Spaqqa miffa liffa leggin. Terry baloris trickaleggal. Sequester mlajjap eastro diz hamta wan ta licka holmus preed. Scatty picka loon dunes. Hoakalin McGregoar. Roddy McFlyer. Hillie Midge Millik! Arfie McChaffer Chickababy |
| 17:58.10 | RichiH | gnarface: thanks |
| 17:58.38 | Ben | someone has issues |
| 17:58.52 | digdilem_ | sidney_, "windows user"? State of mind, mate. Take control! |
| 17:58.59 | RichiH | *shrug* |
| 17:59.07 | sidney_ | now what is the command to update my source list |
| 17:59.10 | RichiH | got rid of him and stopped caring |
| 17:59.11 | BrixSat | ryann: no go :( i cant boot the system |
| 17:59.14 | digdilem_ | sidney_, apt-get update |
| 17:59.22 | sidney_ | thanks |
| 17:59.35 | digdilem_ | sidney_, you might be better googling for a basic apt guide |
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| 17:59.52 | gnarface | no, RichiH thank you |
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| 18:00.52 | RichiH | gnarface: i wouldn't have noticed save for you so i maintain that you deserve the thanks, not me ;) |
| 18:00.52 | virunga | Hi, i want to know and see the interface of my network card object using gdbus, but i don't know the object path, can you help me please? |
| 18:03.01 | wallee | hi all |
| 18:03.13 | sidney_ | Digdilem, does sudo not work in Debian or is it just my install |
| 18:03.43 | dondelelcaro | sidney_: you have to configure sudo |
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| 18:05.48 | DarkUranium | hey, question about exim4 - "user = ..." and "group = ..." directives for running stuff as user/group - does the file /etc/sudoers affect that or not? |
| 18:05.54 | acx0 | sidney_, make sure you make all changes to /etc/sudoers through the 'visudo' command |
| 18:06.15 | DarkUranium | I'm running exim4 under a non-root user, but I need to allow for it to run a script as another (also non-root) user |
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| 18:07.18 | somiaj | why can't it run the script as the exim user? |
| 18:07.54 | kevlarman | i still don't understand why *vi*sudo launches nano on all my new debian installs :( |
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| 18:08.20 | somiaj | kevlarman: because vi isn't installed by default, nano is the default editor |
| 18:08.26 | DarkUranium | somiaj: because the script is a mailman script, and it expects the group 'daemon', not 'Debian-exim' |
| 18:08.41 | kevlarman | somiaj: obviously those two issues need fixing :P |
| 18:08.51 | somiaj | kevlarman: and visudo uses the alternvative editor |
| 18:09.02 | DarkUranium | somiaj: and recompiling mailman is out of the question, because the directory structure upon recompiling is completely different and I'd thus be opening a can of worms. |
| 18:09.38 | somiaj | kevlarman: no one will ever agree on to what is the sinsable default editor, and less people will get stuck in nano than vi |
| 18:10.09 | somiaj | kevlarman: easy fix (as I do) is install vim on every default install, the alternative system usually updates the editor to vi at that time. |
| 18:10.40 | kevlarman | somiaj: it leaves the default at nano |
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| 18:11.40 | kevlarman | somiaj: the lack of a sane way (or my inability to find one) to show a list of installed alternatives for editor and set one in a single step drives me nuts every time |
| 18:11.40 | somiaj | DarkUranium: Then I guess you can either set a setuid or setgid bit for the script (or use sudo to allow exim to run it as a different user) |
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| 18:11.53 | somiaj | kevlarman: update-alternatives -c editor |
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| 18:12.00 | kevlarman | hugs somiaj |
| 18:12.21 | somiaj | kevlarman: maybe its --config (though on all my machines I install vim as the very first thing and that gets updated automatically for me) |
| 18:12.31 | kevlarman | somiaj: do you happen to have a sane way to install lib32jpeg62? |
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| 18:12.48 | TsT | is there a non interactive way to setup alternative ? |
| 18:12.57 | lynks | what do people have against nano out of interest? |
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| 18:13.08 | TsT | lynks nano sucks :p |
| 18:13.11 | somiaj | kevlarman: I ran across this issue but forgot my fix. What package has that strange dependency? |
| 18:13.24 | kevlarman | somiaj: why is it strange? |
| 18:13.27 | aadil | hi |
| 18:13.40 | kevlarman | somiaj: wine in particular is 32 bit and requires libjpeg6 |
| 18:13.55 | pakos | hi, i'm having one problem with iptables, i've used few rules to basically disable all besides of few port, works fine for almost all of ports, only one is still closed, 6667 so i cannot connect to irc, here are my rules http://wklej.org/id/693480/, any ideas why? |
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| 18:14.04 | somiaj | kevlarman: I just recall there being some dependency loop that I thought was strange. Ahh yes it was wine. Are you compling your own package or using someone else package? |
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| 18:14.10 | kevlarman | i unpacked the i386 package but that's obviously going to break next time it gets upgraded |
| 18:14.12 | lynks | TsT: regex find and replace, arrow key navigation (and mouse if that floats your boat), syntax highlighing, what more do you want from an editor? |
| 18:14.19 | kevlarman | i build my own |
| 18:14.48 | wallee | is there any channel talk about asm programming |
| 18:14.56 | wallee | any one can help me |
| 18:15.04 | somiaj | kevlarman: I reacall having that issue with wine (I reconize the package) but I can't recall what I did. I didn't have to install any 32bit lib, I did something else to get it to work. How do you build your own package? |
| 18:15.22 | kevlarman | somiaj: i'm not building a package yet |
| 18:15.34 | kevlarman | just building wine in my ~ (it runs fine from its build folder) |
| 18:15.54 | TsT | lynks I like vim, I hope one day update-alternatives --config have a --choice <number> argument ;) |
| 18:16.03 | kevlarman | somiaj: i unpacked the i386 libjpeg62 but that's obviously going to break badly next time the 64 bit one updates |
| 18:16.12 | kevlarman | TsT: --set |
| 18:16.19 | TsT | hmm |
| 18:16.26 | somiaj | kevlarman: it shouldn't the 32bit libs don't live in the same directory as the 64bit libs |
| 18:16.38 | lynks | wallee: the guys in irc.smashthestack.org #io can read bytecodes fluently, they can help but youll have to ask very nicely :P |
| 18:16.38 | kevlarman | somiaj: having different versions of it i mean |
| 18:16.44 | somiaj | kevlarman: sorry I can't recall what I did, but I did not have to extract and copy over libaries |
| 18:16.53 | kevlarman | somiaj: in particular, the headers of the 64 bit package get used |
| 18:17.10 | wallee | lynks: :-) thanks very much |
| 18:17.15 | bellman | why do i have a /dev/sdc1 on /media/usb0 in fstab |
| 18:17.17 | somiaj | kevlarman: I use libjpeg8 and libjpeg62 on my system. |
| 18:17.35 | lynks | wallee: just watch out because freenode also has an #io channel, and i dont think they can help |
| 18:17.35 | DarkUranium | somiaj: I dunno, there must be a better solution.. |
| 18:17.36 | wallee | lynks: i have leave debian irc channel about 3 mouth |
| 18:18.01 | somiaj | DarkUranium: I'm a hobbist who uses a desktop so I agree with you, I just cannot think of one. |
| 18:18.07 | kevlarman | somiaj: i can't wait for the multiarch stuff though :( |
| 18:18.24 | kevlarman | somiaj: no way i'm ever going to see 32 bit gstreamer packages otherwise |
| 18:18.43 | somiaj | kevlarman: I recall a few years ago they tried to redesign the whole 32bit lib thing and there was even a script to deal with it, but I think it had to many bug reports and was scraped |
| 18:19.03 | somiaj | kevlarman: it was something like apt-get-lib32 |
| 18:19.07 | kevlarman | somiaj: and they're trying again now |
| 18:19.23 | kevlarman | i remember the ia32-apt-get mess :P |
| 18:19.42 | kevlarman | although i switched away from debian a month before it happened (complete chance) |
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| 18:20.04 | somiaj | I recall seeing it, it broke my sid for a week, and then went back to normal. I liked the idea but it wasn't well implmented |
| 18:20.07 | TsT | kevlarman thanks it' running ! :) |
| 18:20.47 | kevlarman | somiaj: fedora has been doing it for years, and parts of the infrastructure are starting to show up in sid/testing |
| 18:21.04 | somiaj | kevlarman: is it the build that complains about libjpeg64? |
| 18:21.15 | kevlarman | somiaj: libjpeg62 |
| 18:21.31 | kevlarman | somiaj: wine is 32 bit, so it needs a 32 bit libjpeg |
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| 18:21.46 | somiaj | kevlarman: I don't use a 32bit lib for that, I use a 64bit and it seems to work jsut fine here |
| 18:21.52 | wallee | now i found quassel is a good irc client on windows |
| 18:21.58 | kevlarman | somiaj: so your wine can't deal with jpegs |
| 18:22.04 | kevlarman | somiaj: to me, that's not acceptable |
| 18:22.06 | wallee | it's like weechat |
| 18:22.11 | somiaj | kevlarman: I guess I have yet to see that be an issue for what i use wine for. (: |
| 18:22.28 | kevlarman | somiaj: same for the lack of gstreamer i'm assuming |
| 18:22.44 | kevlarman | somiaj: and libpng if you're on squeeze |
| 18:22.56 | kevlarman | wine degrades a little bit too gracefully for my taste :P |
| 18:23.06 | kevlarman | makes it far too easy for packagers to be lazy |
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| 18:23.38 | valdyn | somiaj: how do you install or compile wine without ia32-libs? |
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| 18:23.53 | kevlarman | valdyn: you need ia32-libs |
| 18:24.02 | valdyn | kevlarman: *I* know |
| 18:24.05 | somiaj | valdyn: I use ia32-libs, I just didn't do anything special to deal with some strange dep loop I got with the libjpeg62 package. |
| 18:24.32 | valdyn | somiaj: ia32-libs contains the libjpeg for wine |
| 18:24.57 | kevlarman | valdyn: no it doesn't |
| 18:25.07 | somiaj | yea the issue I recall was with the 64bit packages conflicting, but I fixed that. I never had any issue with the 32bit libs. |
| 18:25.20 | somiaj | (this was something I delt with a while ago so I don't recall the details) |
| 18:25.24 | valdyn | kevlarman: mine does. |
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| 18:25.51 | kevlarman | valdyn: what version? |
| 18:25.54 | somiaj | /usr/lib32/libjpeg.so.62 -- that is in ia32-libs on my system to |
| 18:26.05 | lynks | ooh ipv6 *stroke* |
| 18:26.08 | bs0d | Pls suggest me some graphical front-end for iptables |
| 18:26.10 | somiaj | kevlarman: dpkg -L ia32-libs | grep jpeg |
| 18:26.27 | valdyn | kevlarman: 20120102, but its been there for a long time iirc |
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| 18:27.19 | kevlarman | huh |
| 18:27.21 | kevlarman | so it is there |
| 18:27.31 | kevlarman | how did i manage to not have it? O_o |
| 18:28.11 | sidney_ | something still went wrong with the update http://paste.debian.net/157095/ |
| 18:28.16 | valdyn | bs0d: to do what? |
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| 18:28.55 | bs0d | valdyn configure firewall rules, this command line interface is not very convenient. Is there any gui front-end for iptables? |
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| 18:29.24 | mrstocks | hey im install debian i would like to load http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/firmware-realtek but i can't find where to dll the file, i onlt need rtl_nic/rtl8168e-3.fw |
| 18:29.34 | valdyn | bs0d: obviously its for firewall rules, since iptables is only for firewall rules, so this is not what I wanted to hear.. |
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| 18:30.01 | somiaj | kevlarman: yea my issue with libjpeg62 and libjpeg8 was some dependency loop in getting everything installed so I could compile (64 bit versions). I didn't have any issues with the 32bit versions. |
| 18:30.27 | kevlarman | that makes things easier |
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| 18:30.48 | kevlarman | now just to remember how to install grub without making my system unbootable :P |
| 18:31.01 | somiaj | kevlarman: grub-install |
| 18:31.14 | somiaj | kevlarman: though if you want some questions, dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc is useful |
| 18:31.17 | kevlarman | does that install the configuration files too? |
| 18:31.18 | bs0d | valdyn I mean, create rules, edit existing ones, delete them if needed. Not so long ago, I lived in Windows and still very much used to graphical interface. |
| 18:31.29 | somiaj | kevlarman: (this is of course assuming you have grub-pc installed) |
| 18:31.37 | kevlarman | somiaj: currently there's no grub installed |
| 18:31.41 | valdyn | bs0d: theres no excellent GUI, theres various reasonably decent to excellent text based frontends |
| 18:31.54 | valdyn | bs0d: using iptables directly is probably not reasonable |
| 18:32.08 | somiaj | kevlarman: are you installing from debian-live and grub didn't automatically install? (i have had that issue on two fo the debian-live installers)? |
| 18:32.09 | kevlarman | (it wanted to install on the wrong hard drive, so i skipped that step and added debian to arch's grub, now i'm going to be overwriting arch with this debian install) |
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| 18:32.12 | valdyn | bs0d: theres firestarter, but i cannot really recommend using something like it |
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| 18:32.32 | somiaj | kevlarman: well the package is called grub-pc |
| 18:32.47 | valdyn | bs0d: or maybe arno-iptables-firewall is for you |
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| 18:33.14 | kevlarman | somiaj: so just apt-get install grub-pc;grub-install? |
| 18:33.28 | valdyn | bs0d: and the best since sliced bread is probably shorewall, but its *not* easy |
| 18:33.40 | somiaj | kevlarman: just install grup-pc, debconf will ask you a few questions about were to install it and run grub-install for you |
| 18:33.56 | kevlarman | hm |
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| 18:34.12 | kevlarman | so i have to copy everything to its new location first, then install grub-pc? |
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| 18:34.51 | somiaj | kevlarman: what do you mean copy? Are you chrooted into your /target (root parttion of the install) and need to install the packages from the cdrom/usb stick (or do you have internet sources up yet?) |
| 18:35.52 | kevlarman | somiaj: so i have 2 hard drives, one huge one that has arch on it, and one small one with debian |
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| 18:36.17 | kevlarman | since i've fixed the last issue with debian, and i need space for a soon to be windows install |
| 18:36.21 | Iridos | and now you just sync everything over to the other disk? |
| 18:36.30 | somiaj | Iridos: rsync |
| 18:36.31 | kevlarman | i'm going to move debian over to where arch's / and /boot used to be |
| 18:36.37 | kevlarman | (i'm keeping my /home intact) |
| 18:36.56 | Iridos | somiaj, or tar or cp -a or.. or... I was being unspecific on purpose :) |
| 18:37.14 | valdyn | Iridos: sometimes cat /dev/olddisk > /dev/newdisk is easier |
| 18:37.35 | Iridos | valdyn, he said the debian install is on a much smaller disk... |
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| 18:38.12 | valdyn | Iridos: thats not enough reason to disqualify this ^ |
| 18:38.55 | kevlarman | actually debian's partition is 2.5x as big as its new / |
| 18:39.02 | kevlarman | so yes it has to be rsync/copy |
| 18:39.27 | GuestWhatever | What is a good app to manage repo lists? I want to select from a list of countries, then from a list of releases, then from a list for non-free, contrib, etc. and have the repos added to sources.list. Also, is there a repo for proper Firefox? |
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| 18:39.33 | somiaj | kevlarman: are you using some live system to do all this from? |
| 18:39.40 | valdyn | rsync is fine, its just that I usually just cat partitions, really only except when i switch filesystems |
| 18:39.55 | kevlarman | somiaj: i was planning on booting the debian install to do the copy |
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| 18:40.05 | kevlarman | somiaj: since i don't have any live cd's with x11 on them |
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| 18:40.21 | kevlarman | i can boot a live cd if needed though |
| 18:40.53 | somiaj | kevlarman: you can do it from your debian install just fine. |
| 18:41.20 | somiaj | kevlarman: just chroot into the place you mounted the target partition (after mounting dev and proc in there) and from there you can reconfigure/install grub |
| 18:41.36 | kevlarman | yeah i've done that part a million times |
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| 18:41.39 | Iridos | valdyn, tar/rsync etc also would reset any fragmentation you might have as a small bonus |
| 18:41.45 | valdyn | GuestWhatever: /msg dpkg mdn . |
| 18:41.49 | valdyn | Iridos: yea, thats true |
| 18:41.50 | kevlarman | it's the installing part i was worried about since i've only had live cd's do it for me |
| 18:41.59 | GuestWhatever | valdyn, thanks |
| 18:42.05 | kevlarman | somiaj: btw, does efi still cause issues for graphics drivers? |
| 18:42.09 | somiaj | kevlarman: though a live system is easier (you'll have to not copy over things like /proc, /dev, /sys, etc when running on the debian system so it makes your copy command a little more picky) |
| 18:43.10 | somiaj | kevlarman: if the package grub-pc is installed, 'dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc' should give you an ncurses list of questions to install it. If you have to install the grub packages (hopefully you don't) you'll need a way to get the packages. Either manually or from the net with apt-get. |
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| 18:43.40 | Someguy123 | does anyone here have any idea why postgre refuses to start on debian 6? it doesn't leave any error messages anywhere |
| 18:43.46 | Someguy123 | so I can't figure out the issue |
| 18:43.54 | dondelelcaro | Someguy123: refuses to start how? |
| 18:44.10 | kevlarman | somiaj: actually |
| 18:44.11 | Someguy123 | dondelelcaro if I /etc/init.d/postgresql start |
| 18:44.15 | Someguy123 | I get no output at all |
| 18:44.25 | Someguy123 | logging into the pgsql user tells me pg didn't even start |
| 18:44.26 | dondelelcaro | Someguy123: you probably don't have any clusters defined |
| 18:44.29 | Iridos | valdyn, and other than specialized cloning tools, cat will not ignore free space... which reminds me |
| 18:44.30 | Someguy123 | and /var/log/postgresql is empty |
| 18:44.32 | kevlarman | somiaj: since i want 3tb+ drives soonish, and i'm doing all this stuff anyway now |
| 18:44.37 | Iridos | dpkg, tell kevlarman about clonezilla |
| 18:44.38 | dondelelcaro | Someguy123: man pg_createcluster; for details |
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| 18:44.55 | kevlarman | somiaj: could i get away with efi? or is it going to break nvidia's blob? |
| 18:44.57 | Iridos | kevlarman, if you use a live-disk anyway... you could have a look at that |
| 18:46.13 | somiaj | kevlarman: I'm not the one to ask about that, I don't have any experience with efi. |
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| 18:46.38 | sidney_ | will someone take a look and tell me whats wrong http://paste.debian.net/157098/ |
| 18:46.42 | bellman | is wheezy really all that unstable |
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| 18:47.23 | somiaj | bellman: it will break, the question is when will it break and how bad will it break. |
| 18:47.26 | anddam | can someone suggest me a package that install an apt.conf file with a Pre-Invoke or Post-Invoke? |
| 18:47.50 | Iridos | Someguy123, the init scrips swallow the error messages... you can always run the daemon yourself and see the full error |
| 18:47.57 | somiaj | bellman: but with a bit of knowledge of debian packages/dependencies and ability to use the bts one can keep a wheezy system up and running and for the most part after you fix the 'breaks' it is fairly stable. |
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| 18:48.18 | bellman | i have had ubuntu break lirc and break my gnome config in a supposedly stable release |
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| 18:48.28 | Someguy123 | thanks dondelelcaro, I'm new to pg, but that fixed it |
| 18:48.32 | Iridos | somiaj, what does "stable" mean in your sentence? |
| 18:48.34 | Someguy123 | not a single guide told me about pg_createcluster... |
| 18:48.49 | somiaj | bellman: If a package complains about depends, are you able to manually track them down and fix them. If a package fails to install or has a bug are you able to identify the bug, use the bts to report and/or read a report on the bug and fix it. etc |
| 18:49.01 | somiaj | Iridos: the machine will run for the most part and not crash. |
| 18:49.07 | bellman | so just by doing regular upgrades i can expect broken deps? |
| 18:49.15 | dondelelcaro | Someguy123: by default one is created, however, if you've had it installed before, or if you tell it not to, it won't. |
| 18:49.39 | somiaj | bellman: the issue is you don't know what to expect between the upgrades. Sometimes they go smoothly, sometimes they take out your system bad enough so you have to use a rescue/live cd to recover it. |
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| 18:49.45 | Someguy123 | dondelelcaro it never created one though |
| 18:49.52 | Someguy123 | plus I've never had it installed previously |
| 18:49.53 | Someguy123 | o_O |
| 18:50.02 | dondelelcaro | Someguy123: it may not create one if you tell it not to |
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| 18:50.15 | Someguy123 | dondelelcaro guess apt never told it to |
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| 18:50.32 | Iridos | somiaj, ah, well... by "crash" you mean kernel panics? Those are very rare whatever you do |
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| 18:52.36 | somiaj | Iridos: yup, the main issue I run across is sid is constantally fixing things. But once things are fixed for the most part the system works well and doesn't crash (its all the breaks you have to fix along the way that are a pain) |
| 18:53.26 | dondelelcaro | Someguy123: apt actually doesn't have anything to do with it; it's the configuration script |
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| 18:54.23 | dondelelcaro | Someguy123: if you've had that version installed previously or a postgresq.conf, it won't run pg_createcluster |
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| 18:54.52 | somiaj | bellman: debian stable only introduces bug/security fixes (Backported to the versions in stable). So in essence these security upgrades should only improve the system and make it better with out issue (of course there is always a chance something goes wrong, in stable it is very very rare). |
| 18:54.56 | injureddeer | how priority ipv4 connections over ipv6 (not like default v6 over v4) ? |
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| 18:55.59 | somiaj | bellman: testing/unstable are constantly introducing the new features, which as mentioned can be anything from a simple fix to a complex fix to a well I have to wait a week for debian to fix this problem and can't use my machine in that time.....if you are willing to deal with these (And they do happen) that is the major things I run into running sid (been using it for about 10 years now) |
| 18:56.00 | injureddeer | i know there is probably in gai.conf |
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| 18:58.40 | somiaj | bellman: for example this last month I haven't ran across any major new bugs in sid, but the months before that with the xorg abi change and nvidia non-free drivers, I had to do a bunch of downgrading and special stuff to get x to work (taking many hours of my time to fix things) |
| 18:59.17 | kevlarman | somiaj: O_o |
| 18:59.42 | kevlarman | somiaj: last time i checked arch was upgrading xorg before sid was, and i don't remember any nvidia blob issues |
| 19:00.01 | bellman | ahhh interesting. i'm running nvidia "the nvidia way" |
| 19:00.03 | Iridos | sidney_, I don't think it makes sense to have non-free without having contrib |
| 19:00.15 | Trellmor | Hi, I have a problem with an upgrade from lenny to squeeze. The update fails to install grub because grub-proble "cannot fin a divice for /boot/grub". My hdds are missing (not listed in /dev), and only rootfs is mounted on /. dmesg shows that the kernel finds my disks while booting and /proc/scsi/scsi shows the disks. |
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| 19:00.27 | somiaj | kevlarman: this was many months ago, say last november. xorg disconunied its older abi and the nvidia versions (in debian) didn't support the newer abi |
| 19:00.32 | Iridos | sidney_, as to why that leads to apt wanting to fetch http://security.debian.org/squeeze/updates/dists/main/contrib/binary-i386/Packages.gz, I'm at a loss |
| 19:01.05 | somiaj | kevlarman: the bts on the issue told sid users to install the xorg from wheezy until they fixed it (took them about a week to get new nvidia packages to fix it) |
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| 19:01.08 | Iridos | sidney_, i.e. you should either just have main, or main contrib non-free, but never just main non-free |
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| 19:01.29 | themill | sidney_: you need a space between debian/ and squeeze-updates |
| 19:01.30 | walle | hi |
| 19:01.39 | bellman | glad to hear wheezy was more stable than sid for that xorg issue |
| 19:01.48 | walle | weechat in cygwin not as good as in debian, but it can work |
| 19:01.48 | kevlarman | somiaj: speaking of which, what's the easiest way to install newer nvidia drivers? |
| 19:02.07 | somiaj | bellman: packages have to live long enough in sid to drop down to wheezy so major bugs like that rarely make it into wheezy |
| 19:02.07 | kevlarman | somiaj: should i download the sources and update them to the newer installer or something? |
| 19:02.09 | ippx | where can i find a more descriptive info for a module then modinfo? |
| 19:02.19 | somiaj | kevlarman: /msg dpkg nvidia dkms |
| 19:02.24 | bellman | download driver from nvidia.com apt-get install gcc binutils make and run the downloaded nvidia package |
| 19:02.32 | Iridos | sidney_, oh, there's a 2nd security line that's just wrong deb http://security.debian.org/squeeze/updates main contrib non-free |
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| 19:02.50 | kevlarman | bellman: that breaks horribly every time debian updates whatever provides libgl |
| 19:02.54 | Iridos | themill, I kept trying to find a fault in the 1st of the two security lines :) |
| 19:02.59 | themill | yeah |
| 19:03.09 | somiaj | bellman: but this also creates a new set of issues for testing, since it takes a week (or even up to a month) for a package to go though sid and get into wheezy, this means fixes (both bug and security) take far longer to get into wheezy (so waiting for a fix requires more time) |
| 19:03.19 | Iridos | sidney_, you shouldn't have two of them |
| 19:03.32 | themill | Iridos: I approached it from the other direction... I knew there would be a line with that mistake there (both lines 9 and 10 btw) |
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| 19:03.44 | Iridos | yeah |
| 19:03.57 | somiaj | kevlarman: basically install your linux-headers, install nvidia-kernel-dkms and install nvidia-glx (which has now been renamed to libgl-alternatives-nvidia (or something like that) |
| 19:04.25 | kevlarman | somiaj: how does that get me newer drivers if what debian has packaged happens to be too old? |
| 19:04.26 | Iridos | themill, I just ran it as my sources.list and so saw there's an error with security.debian.org, so searched for that in the file and ended up the wrong line... then confusion ruled :) |
| 19:04.56 | somiaj | kevlarman: if you want packages newer than debian has then you cannot install them via debian tools and you'll have to deal with the issues you said |
| 19:05.13 | somiaj | kevlarman: though it isn't uncommon for the newer nvidia drivers to sit around in experimential if you want to give those a try |
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| 19:05.27 | somiaj | kevlarman: if your running stable you will have to backport all this stuff to stable. |
| 19:05.47 | kevlarman | somiaj: yeah stable is just unreasonably old for me right now |
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| 19:06.04 | kevlarman | currently on testing but i might go back to sid |
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| 19:06.30 | somiaj | kevlarman: I personally like sid (mainly due to though things break a bit more often, fixes make their way into it faster) |
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| 19:06.49 | kevlarman | somiaj: i ran it for years before switching to arch |
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| 19:07.07 | kevlarman | and like i said i really want the multiarch stuff that is going to hit sid long before testing |
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| 19:07.35 | Iridos | kevlarman, drivers are (nearly) all in the kernel, so just taking a new kernel into stable would be sufficient |
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| 19:08.05 | Jrz | How do I check if my nvidia modules are loaded properly? |
| 19:08.24 | bellman | is multiarch hitting before the first freeze? |
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| 19:08.57 | kevlarman | Iridos: by the time i upgrade enough things to get wine working properly on stable, it's going to be more work to keep the rest back than to use testing/unstable |
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| 19:10.05 | kevlarman | Jrz: lsmod|grep nvidia |
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| 19:11.58 | n0yd | im trying to use the netnstakll iso that has the nonfree network fiwmware included. I havent instsalled debian in like 10 yearsl years so i chose graphical install..... it says no network modules found, not even myt ethernet, so i cant do the install.c ideas? fixes\ixes? |
| 19:12.49 | Jrz | thx.. nvidia 10725349 0 nvidia seems to be loaded… can't get xbmc to work though |
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| 19:14.03 | Synthead | where is /path/to/mirror in this FAI guide? http://fai-project.org/fai-guide/ar01s04.html#_anchor_id_usbboot_xreflabel_usbboot_booting_from_usb_stick |
| 19:14.55 | nand` | I assume there are no security risks (other than those already present either way) in running stable over testing? |
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| 19:16.09 | Buzz` | Is there a CLI application I can use to check ALSA's current master/PCM volume? |
| 19:16.12 | Buzz` | Levels. |
| 19:16.24 | kevlarman | Buzz`: amixer |
| 19:16.41 | Buzz` | kevlarman: Cheers. |
| 19:17.32 | n0yd | anyone have osanyone have any ideas? |
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| 19:17.47 | kevlarman | somiaj: btw i forgot to check earlier, debian's kernels have hrtimers enabled right? |
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| 19:23.47 | GuestWhatever | Why does flash player act up for youtube? I have both iceweasel and firefox installed with flashplugin v 11.0.something...Adobe's own site lists a package for Ubuntu but won't let me download that. What do I do? |
| 19:24.01 | nand` | GuestWhatever: use HTML |
| 19:24.03 | nand` | HTML5* |
| 19:24.16 | GuestWhatever | nand: not tonight honey |
| 19:24.27 | nand` | youtube.com/html5 to enable, requires a cookie for the setting I think.. I've never had any problems with it on youtube |
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| 19:27.11 | sidney_ | Iridos, I'm sorry I was looking at Linux forum and missed your post is that all that is wrong |
| 19:27.50 | Iridos | sidney_, also see what themill said |
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| 19:28.48 | Iridos | sidney_, you have some duplicate security lines and in that and one of the cdn lines you're missing a space... fix that or or just make a new one |
| 19:28.58 | Iridos | dpkg, tell sidney_ about make squeeze sources.list |
| 19:29.20 | GuestWhatever | Well ladida, stuff magically got fixed...nand, thanks for the suggestion, will keep in mind. Hard day today. |
| 19:29.24 | themill | sidney_: both lines 9 and 10 are wrong (and both can be deleted) |
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| 19:36.39 | daweefolk | how can i go about using static ip addresses with wpa_supplicant? |
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| 19:39.01 | sidney_ | http://paste.debian.net/157101/ |
| 19:39.15 | daweefolk | right now I'm using dhcpcd, but I want to have a static address at home and a dynamic at school. |
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| 19:40.58 | nkuttler | daweefolk: you configure your dhcpd at home to give you a static ip? |
| 19:41.50 | daweefolk | well right now I don't know how to use wpasupplicant without dhcp |
| 19:42.09 | daweefolk | but like i said i want a static address for in my home network |
| 19:42.14 | nkuttler | daweefolk: you can use dhcp for static ips |
| 19:43.01 | daweefolk | nkuttler: what file should i edit or whatever |
| 19:43.04 | nkuttler | daweefolk: well you can set the ip on the client or let the dhcpd hand it out. i'd do the latter |
| 19:43.17 | nkuttler | daweefolk: which dhcpd do you run? |
| 19:43.49 | daweefolk | dhcpcd |
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| 19:44.22 | nkuttler | daweefolk: dhcpd --version |
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| 19:44.48 | SupaYoshi | Is this a good way to install mysql? In an special useraccount etc. |
| 19:44.49 | SupaYoshi | http://www.symantec.com/connect/articles/securing-mysql-step-step |
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| 19:45.15 | SupaYoshi | I need some stuff in there that is not very usefull for me, so I have a service that needs to access mysql from outside :) |
| 19:45.24 | daweefolk | dhcpd isn't found- i've always typed dhcpcd (two c's) |
| 19:46.09 | nkuttler | daweefolk: try /usr/share/doc/dhcpcd or man dhcpcd |
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| 19:46.42 | daweefolk | the manpage for dhcpcd is extremely unhelpfully bare. |
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| 19:46.51 | daweefolk | perhaps i should google it :) |
| 19:48.22 | sidney_ | does the sid repository have conky? |
| 19:48.40 | dwfreed | ,versions conky |
| 19:48.41 | judd | Package: conky on i386 -- lenny: 1.6.0-2+lenny1; squeeze/contrib: 1.8.0-1+squeeze1; squeeze-backports: 1.8.1-5~bpo60+1; sid: 1.8.1-6; wheezy: 1.8.1-6 |
| 19:48.53 | dwfreed | sidney_: that answer your question? |
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| 19:49.22 | fvollero_ | Hi guys :) |
| 19:49.25 | sidney_ | dwfreed, not sure |
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| 19:50.08 | dwfreed | sidney_: did you even read what judd said? |
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| 19:50.35 | [raven] | I've a small issue, or better, someone tried to update a debian stable with the testing and after they reverted to just stable, but seems that everything is fucked up... I have no background informations if not just the one the owner give to me |
| 19:50.51 | anddam | apt.conf man page says "Several configuration directives control how APT invokes dpkg(1). These are in the DPkg section". Where is this DPkg section? I couldn't find it in either apt.conf(5) or dpkg(1). Does capitalization matter? |
| 19:50.54 | [raven] | Now i'm wondering if there's a way to fix the problem without having to reinstall to fix apt |
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| 19:53.23 | engla | [raven]: I don't think there is any easy resolution, if aptitude doesn't give you some downgrades that you believe will work |
| 19:53.35 | sidney_ | judd i386 lenny will install conky out of the box with apt? |
| 19:53.42 | [raven] | engla: well, i have to install on this machine, ocaml |
| 19:53.48 | balzac5000 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:53.50 | klync | [raven]: assuming all data / config is backed up before proceeding ... and that your toolchain is working: I would fix the sources.list then do `apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade`; that might force some downgrades |
| 19:53.53 | [raven] | engla: and the problem is that seems that all the dependecies are fucked up |
| 19:54.03 | balzac5000 | From this box I can address the upper half of the subnet (.129 to .254) using a net destination of x.x.x.128/255.255.255.128. How can I access the local |
| 19:54.04 | balzac5000 | subnet (.1 - .126)? Here's the routing table I have now: http://http://pastebin.com/09u5rcim |
| 19:54.22 | Synthead | I'm thumbing through the FAI documentation, but I don't want to boot over PXE. Instead, I would like for the installer to grab an installation script from a remote server on the Internet and run it. can FAI be used this way? |
| 19:54.28 | [raven] | klync: it's a production server, i've to plan this operation before actually do it...i don't want to spend the evening fixing all this stuff :) |
| 19:54.43 | [raven] | klync: but thanks alot for the hint... |
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| 19:55.50 | klync | [raven]: in that case, i'd probably build a new machine from scratch and prepare to cut over ... even if that meant using aws as an intermediate for the physical hardware |
| 19:56.17 | [raven] | klync: http://pastebin.com/D0uDNUT5 |
| 19:56.49 | [raven] | klync: Yeah, i was thinking the same thing...Seems that the operation gonna be painful |
| 19:57.36 | [raven] | klync: Thanks alot |
| 19:57.40 | [raven] | engla: Thanks to you too :) |
| 19:57.41 | klync | [raven]: i've never seen that error msg ... i wonder what apt would say it's about to do if you followed my advice above |
| 19:58.10 | [raven] | klync: me neither, for that i come here :) |
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| 19:58.28 | [raven] | klync: i can try with -s and see what's he say right? |
| 19:58.31 | sidney_ | judd I'm having too many problems with the source list I just need a debian distribution with conky as default |
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| 19:59.14 | klync | [raven]: ya, and the option "--fix-broken" may help too |
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| 19:59.49 | [raven] | klync: http://pastebin.com/R5XH7Gjy |
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| 20:01.24 | [raven] | klync: this is even worse http://pastebin.com/0xCcbKnZ |
| 20:01.27 | tremon | [raven] please pastebin the output of apt-cache policy |
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| 20:02.01 | [raven] | tremon: on his way |
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| 20:02.53 | benedikt | I have two monitores installed the propiatary nvidia driver, and now xrandr only shows one monitor (i'm unable to use the second one). |
| 20:03.18 | [raven] | tremon: http://pastebin.com/mEt0qTq1 |
| 20:03.22 | [raven] | klync: ^^ |
| 20:03.29 | klync | [raven]: that first one doesn't look so bad, except the kernel - just make sure no hand-built modules; once you've gone through the dist-upgrade, it should stop complaining about libncurses5-dev |
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| 20:03.59 | [raven] | klync: i have the feeling to crack the head of who do this... |
| 20:04.09 | [raven] | s/do/did/ |
| 20:04.14 | klync | [raven]: heh, yeah |
| 20:04.48 | klync | still better than the rhel world, where they just do `rpm -I $some_url` |
| 20:04.51 | [raven] | klync: i take the task because i thought "Easy money" and what a surprise :P |
| 20:04.54 | klync | :/ |
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| 20:05.15 | [raven] | klync: well, yep... |
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| 20:07.30 | tremon | [raven]: what's your objective? to stay with lenny for now? Also the varnish-cache repo at prio 1001 is non-standard |
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| 20:10.04 | benedikt | apparently this is done by means of the nvidia-settings tool. Dammit, i knew i shouldn't have opted for the propriatary drivers. |
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| 20:22.48 | johnfg | hi guys |
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| 20:23.45 | johnfg | Anyway I can get google chrome for lenny? I'm running squeeze on a couple of machines too, but am not ready to give up lenny. |
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| 20:24.19 | johnfg | epiphany on lenny as well as iceweasel both have problems with certain websites, probably java. |
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| 20:29.43 | ChibaPet | I was wondering if someone could tell me what I might expect if I start tracking a kernel package in backports. I've got a Netatalk issue that might be kernel-related, and I want to try a newer kernel from backports, but I'm curious as to how often that kernel moves. |
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| 20:32.21 | wolfric | how do i check if debian needs to restart? |
| 20:32.44 | wolfric | for example, from an upgraded kernel |
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| 20:33.24 | scwizard | my home and end keys don't work in programs that make use of terminfo |
| 20:33.34 | valdyn | wolfric: thats the only situation when a restart might be needed. |
| 20:33.36 | dondelelcaro | wolfric: pretty much the only reason you need to restart is because of an upgraded kernel |
| 20:33.43 | scwizard | is there anyway I can update my terminfo database to a newer version, maybe that will fix the problem? |
| 20:33.52 | dondelelcaro | wolfric: and you can check that by comparing uname -r to the kernels available in /boot/ |
| 20:34.05 | engla | well an upgraded kernel doesn't necessarily mean you need to restart, you can run on the old |
| 20:34.18 | valdyn | dondelelcaro: uh? |
| 20:34.19 | Iridos | judd, kernels |
| 20:34.20 | judd | Available kernel versions are: sid: 3.2.0-1-686-pae (3.2.6-1); wheezy: 3.2.0-1-686-pae (3.2.4-1); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.1-686-pae (3.2.4-1~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-41); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-35~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-27) |
| 20:34.25 | [raven] | tremon: my objective for now is to keep lenny |
| 20:34.30 | Synthead | I just dd'd a netinstall iso to a flash drive. when I mount it, it wants to mount r/o. how can I get this baby to be r/w so I can change it up a little bit? |
| 20:34.44 | [raven] | tremon: but i take the ownership of this machine just today |
| 20:34.56 | dondelelcaro | Synthead: you can't modify iso9660 filesystems |
| 20:35.05 | dondelelcaro | or at least, you can't trivially modify them |
| 20:35.19 | somiaj | kevlarman: debian kernels all put a copy of their config file in /boot/config-<ver> |
| 20:35.23 | dondelelcaro | valdyn: ? |
| 20:35.40 | valdyn | dondelelcaro: thats a bad indicator as to when to restart |
| 20:35.43 | dondelelcaro | valdyn: huh? |
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| 20:35.48 | somiaj | kevlarman: so you can easily grep that for a CONFIG_foo option to determine if they include a paticular option |
| 20:35.49 | kevlarman | somiaj: and all kernels in /proc/config.gz, i'm on my work mac atm :( |
| 20:36.18 | Synthead | dondelelcaro: is there a way I can have a debian installer on this drive as ext[2-4] so it's easily editable? |
| 20:36.23 | wolfric | dondelelcaro: there's no other way? I thought i remember seeing a message when i logged in saying " you need to restart" once although it MAY have been on ubuntu |
| 20:36.26 | somiaj | kevlarman: debian kernels by default do not put a copy of the config in /proc (that takes up kernel memeory) |
| 20:36.27 | wolfric | no easy way of seeing is there? |
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| 20:36.33 | valdyn | dondelelcaro: uname -r only can tell you that you have a *different* kernel, not an upgraded package |
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| 20:36.37 | wolfric | s/easy/faster |
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| 20:36.40 | kevlarman | somiaj: isn't it pretty tiny? |
| 20:36.42 | somiaj | kevlarman: we put the copy in /boot this way you can view the config even if you are not running that kernel (or that os) |
| 20:36.44 | Iridos | ChibaPet, ^^^ seems to be just a little bit behind testing right now... what you ask is a bit like one of those "how big is a forest"-type questions |
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| 20:37.11 | themill | !reboot required |
| 20:37.11 | dpkg | If you've upgraded your kernel package you need to reboot to start running the new kernel. Unless the <kernel abi> has changed, uname -r doesn't tell you whether this is needed or not, instead compare /proc/version to the package version: if ! grep -q $(dpkg-query -f'${Version}' -W linux-image-$(uname -r)) /proc/version; then echo "Reboot required"; fi |
| 20:37.13 | somiaj | kevlarman: sure, but it is more useful to have the config file available on the file system for any kernel/os you are booted on as opposed to in memeory only for the booted kernel. |
| 20:37.16 | themill | valdyn, dondelelcaro ^^ |
| 20:37.26 | kevlarman | somiaj: i don't disagree |
| 20:37.28 | dondelelcaro | ah, right |
| 20:37.33 | kevlarman | somiaj: but i'd have done both |
| 20:37.42 | tremon | [raven]: you can force a downgrade by raising the priority of your packages above 1000, like the varnish items already done |
| 20:37.53 | somiaj | kevlarman: yea, but default debian kernels don't include /proc/config.gz because the debian kernels have that exact info elsewhere. |
| 20:37.56 | dondelelcaro | wolfric: it tells you that a reboot is required when modules are installed that may have different abi versions iirc |
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| 20:38.21 | somiaj | kevlarman: I can quickly grep my kernel for a config option you want to check for if needed (Since you aren't on a debian systm atm) |
| 20:38.30 | wolfric | themill: cheers |
| 20:39.05 | dondelelcaro | (IIRC, the wording was something along the lines of "you need to reboot soon"; some upgrades don't require you to reboot with dispatch) |
| 20:39.09 | kevlarman | somiaj: CONFIG_HIGH_RES_TIMERS |
| 20:39.13 | kevlarman | somiaj: and thanks |
| 20:39.15 | themill | wolfric: update-notifier looks for a touch file somewhere in var that is made through a hook script on kernel installation |
| 20:39.19 | tremon | [raven]: check /etc/apt/preferences and add a pin for release o=Debian,n=lenny. No guarantees that this will completely solve the problems, as downgrades are not supported -- but it's still your best bet |
| 20:39.37 | somiaj | kevlarman: CONFIG_HIGH_RES_TIMERS=y (for config-3.2.0-1-amd64) |
| 20:39.47 | kevlarman | awesome |
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| 20:42.46 | valdyn | dondelelcaro: a new abi needs to be in a new *different* kernel package, a bugfix that does not change the abi triggers a reboot required |
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| 20:44.15 | meLon | I'm using dd to write livecd isos to partitions. (dd if=./my.iso of=/dev/sdbX bs=1M) After the operation completes, gparted says that the partition has an 'unknown filesystem type'. Any suggestions? |
| 20:44.50 | Synthead | does debian 6 have a name? |
| 20:45.04 | meLon | squeeze, Synthead |
| 20:45.05 | somiaj | meLon: you have to write the imaeg to the whole disk drive (not just a single partion) |
| 20:45.14 | Synthead | meLon: thanks :) |
| 20:45.24 | somiaj | meLon: the image contains a parttion table and a bootloader (and will wipe out all data on the drive) |
| 20:45.41 | valdyn | geez, an iso image has no partition of any kind |
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| 20:45.57 | valdyn | but maybe its not an iso image |
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| 20:46.06 | valdyn | ( why is it called .iso then ? ) |
| 20:46.09 | somiaj | valdyn: ahh yea, I'm thinking of the usb-hdd images. (: |
| 20:46.11 | meLon | somiaj: I'm finding many examples of people doing what I've described. Hmmm. http://superuser.com/questions/154134/grub-how-to-boot-into-iso-partition |
| 20:46.56 | valdyn | meLon: i can imagine that gparted does not properly detect iso9660, so maybe its the wrong tool for the job |
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| 20:47.49 | ChibaPet | Iridos: Well. In my quest to measure the forest, I'm mostly just wondering how frequently the backports kernel will want to be updated based on its history. I'm not sure how to view said history at the moment, but I'd be quite happy to learn. |
| 20:47.51 | meLon | Ahh, I see what you mean. I was expecting it to be ext2/3/.. Just trying to verify I'm doing stuff correctly. |
| 20:48.11 | valdyn | meLon: "file" is probably able to detect it |
| 20:48.35 | valdyn | : # ISO 9660 CD-ROM filesystem data |
| 20:48.57 | meLon | I was expecting to mount these 'iso partitions' and extract the kernel images and place them on my BOOT partition on which Grub2 is installed. |
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| 20:49.10 | ChibaPet | Iridos: I want to run something in a non-customer-facing office/production role, and I'd like to minimize churn. Best would be if the Wheezy Netatalk package worked with the existing 2.6.32 kernel, but it has the same issue I see with Squeeze's Netatalk package. Neither quite works. |
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| 20:51.06 | edju | Running KDE and have installed Synaptic. I can't call it as a user. How can I do that and have Synaptic ask for the root password when called? |
| 20:51.17 | somiaj | meLon: nifty, (: |
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| 20:51.46 | somiaj | edju: you need to use sudo or some frontend to that. gksu is what gnome uses, not sure what kde uses |
| 20:51.55 | meLon | Well, somiaj It's not quite working as I expected :P |
| 20:52.46 | somiaj | edju: kdesudo is the kde front end to sudo, you'll then have to make sure that the command to run synaptic is 'kdesudo synaptic' |
| 20:52.52 | dondelelcaro | valdyn: actually, it doesn't; not every ABI change leads to a new kernel package |
| 20:53.01 | meLon | Oh wow. I can just have grub boot the freaking iso files themselves. lolol |
| 20:53.34 | valdyn | dondelelcaro: hmm |
| 20:53.37 | dondelelcaro | valdyn: see #607368 |
| 20:53.41 | somiaj | meLon: might have to go see how many live images I can put on my 8gig thumbdrive. (: |
| 20:53.52 | dondelelcaro | valdyn: in general it does, but sometimes it doesn't |
| 20:53.53 | valdyn | dondelelcaro: well , if that fact is a bug, then sure |
| 20:53.58 | meLon | look into tails somiaj |
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| 20:54.34 | somiaj | meLon: though my current issue is the 'removable device' bit on my usbthumb drive, windows don't like the other partitions... |
| 20:56.40 | jhutchins_wk | meLon: You can mount an iso image via loopback |
| 20:56.58 | jhutchins_wk | !mount iso |
| 20:56.59 | dpkg | iso mount is, like, mount -t iso9660 -o loop <path_to_iso> <mount_point> |
| 20:57.43 | valdyn | dondelelcaro: i see, less a bug than a corner case where they decided in favour of breaking the rule.... |
| 20:57.55 | dondelelcaro | valdyn: right |
| 20:58.09 | dondelelcaro | but in retrospect, I'm not sure if that's what was actually triggering that notice |
| 20:58.18 | dondelelcaro | anyway, not really important |
| 20:58.45 | valdyn | just one more reason to be careful with kernel upgrades |
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| 21:07.21 | benedikt | is there a universal way to power off the GPU fan with software |
| 21:07.39 | SupYoshi | Hi i run debian and mysql and there is an debian-sys-maint account on my mysql |
| 21:07.48 | SupYoshi | is that secure? or do I need to set up the password for it :) |
| 21:07.57 | SupYoshi | there is a password in it i just cant remember setting it up |
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| 21:08.07 | benedikt | SupYoshi: http://serverfault.com/questions/9948/what-is-the-debian-sys-maint-mysql-user-and-more |
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| 21:08.34 | benedikt | it is used by your system up startup and shutdown, e.g. to check the consistency of tables |
| 21:08.49 | benedikt | also for log rolling |
| 21:08.53 | benedikt | read the link |
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| 21:15.25 | aadil | ah, log rolling |
| 21:15.29 | aadil | i read rick rolling |
| 21:15.31 | aadil | nm |
| 21:15.45 | SupYoshi | benedikt: thank you very much for this information :) |
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| 21:16.02 | benedikt | aadil: i almost typed that. |
| 21:16.20 | aadil | u should have typed that! |
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| 21:21.17 | joar | I'm having trouble mounting my DNS-320 via NFS. |
| 21:21.17 | joar | mount.nfs: requested NFS version or transport protocol is not supported |
| 21:23.25 | bs0d | How do you play bluray in Debian? |
| 21:23.36 | joar | bs0d: Have you tried VLC 2.0? |
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| 21:24.39 | bs0d | joar haven't tried it. I have got version 1.1.3 from debian respositories |
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| 21:24.52 | bs0d | joar is there any place where I can find vlc 2.0 for debian? |
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| 21:26.20 | Nag42 | !list |
| 21:26.21 | dpkg | VATTENE VIA! |
| 21:26.36 | bs0d | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:26.59 | tremon | bs0d: ask dpkg about dmo |
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| 21:28.03 | tremon | bs0d: well, so much for guessing. I meant dmm |
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| 21:29.04 | bs0d | tremon I made a search in aptitude on dmm and got one and only package - a GUI for digital multimeter. That's definitely not what I need |
| 21:29.41 | joar | !tell bs0d about dmm |
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| 21:30.34 | joar | there is some confusion between the bot dpkg and the utility dpkg. |
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| 21:36.49 | bs0d | joar I have dmm repo already in my sources.list file |
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| 21:37.41 | bs0d | but still synaptic search returns 1.1.3-1squeeze6 (stable) for vlc |
| 21:38.01 | joar | bs0d: have you updated? |
| 21:38.18 | bs0d | joar yes |
| 21:38.45 | joar | I'm running a dist-upgrade, so I can't help you at the moment. |
| 21:38.55 | joar | bs0d: and option is to build vlc 2 from source. |
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| 21:39.34 | bs0d | joar but you tell me that vlc 2 should be in dmm repos, right? |
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| 21:40.11 | bs0d | I have made a search on debian-multimedia website for vlc and it also returned 1.1.3-1 version :( |
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| 21:41.26 | antii | hi |
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| 21:42.31 | oznt | can someone help me with the command rename? this is suposed to rename song1.wav.mp3 to song1.mp3, but it fails ... rename -nv 's/\.wav.mp3/.mp3' *.mp3 |
| 21:43.25 | joar | bs0d: then you should build it from source |
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| 21:43.49 | bs0d | joar I'll try to .. thanks for help |
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| 21:44.54 | antii | bah.. what kernel is ok running on squeeze? default one does not support trim :/ |
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| 21:51.30 | bs0d | I have found vlc 2.0 in sid repos, but I bet a bunch of unresolved depencencies ( mostly outdated libs and their deps in turn ) :( |
| 21:51.39 | bs0d | really I should concider building from source |
| 21:51.46 | bs0d | have anyone done this already? |
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| 21:52.30 | joar | bs0d: btw: http://wiki.videolan.org/UnixCompile |
| 21:55.34 | bs0d | yes, Im reading it right nowe |
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| 22:05.53 | [raven] | tremon: i've a dubt about the preferences file |
| 22:06.39 | ksx4system | how do I mount software raid array md0? I have successfully created ext4 filesystem on md0 but I can't mount it using its uuid |
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| 22:11.14 | shaun- | anyone know if there's much difference between the -m state module and the -m conntrack module in iptables? |
| 22:11.17 | dondelelcaro | ksx4system: mount /dev/md/0 /foo or similar; you may also have the uuid wrong if you're unable to mount it by UUID. |
| 22:11.33 | [raven] | tremon: uhm http://pastebin.com/FjYMBHfT seems scariest |
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| 22:15.08 | ksx4system | dondelelcaro: "mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/md0 blah blah blah" when I'm trying to mount it using *correct* UUID, mounts perfectly by hand (mount /dev/md0 /tmp/blah) |
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| 22:16.13 | ksx4system | dondelelcaro: it just doesn't want to be mounted via fstab, even with /dev/md0 instead of UUID |
| 22:16.29 | dondelelcaro | ksx4system: are you sure it's being mounted after the raid has been assembled? |
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| 22:17.09 | dondelelcaro | ksx4system: also, dmesg may provide more information on why the mount is failing |
| 22:17.17 | ksx4system | dondelelcaro: at least there were no errors while trying to assemble |
| 22:17.52 | ksx4system | dondelelcaro: thanks, fixed :) checking dmesg helped |
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| 22:18.19 | tremon | [raven]: yes, use with care. Another solution would be to set APT::DefaultRelease to lenny and add sources for squeeze -- but since you said someone added sources from testing, even upgrading to squeeze won't solve your problems completely |
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| 22:19.19 | tremon | [raven]: make a backup/snapshot and try it, it's your only short-term solution (other than leave it as-is and hope nothing breaks). Then, make plans to retire this machine asap |
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| 22:20.05 | ksx4system | dondelelcaro: so if it was mounted correctly via "mount -a" (and a line in fstab) it'll mount correctly every time when reboot will be made? |
| 22:20.32 | ksx4system | I of course have mdadm package and specific "ARRAY" line in mdadm.conf |
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| 22:20.48 | dondelelcaro | ksx4system: assuming the raid is assembled, yes |
| 22:21.05 | dondelelcaro | ksx4system: which is basically the default; you'd have to have an old array or work hard to not have it assembled |
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| 22:22.00 | ksx4system | dondelelcaro: how can I check if it's not assembled? |
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| 22:24.05 | ksx4system | dondelelcaro: for me it looks like healthy one http://paste.debian.net/157126/ |
| 22:24.17 | dondelelcaro | ksx4system: if you can mount the raid volume, it's assembled; |
| 22:24.45 | ksx4system | mounted and works like a charm (two identical drives, one fast ext4 partition) |
| 22:25.41 | [raven] | tremon: Well, i can't make snapshots, but i have backups...so maybe it's better to migrate temporary on another machine, install from scratch and go get the dushbag |
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| 22:27.08 | [raven] | tremon: anyway, thanks alot for the interest and the help :) |
| 22:27.17 | almonds | Quick question, I'm running Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 \n \l , and I would like to add a tcpdump command to run on boot, what file do I insert the command in? |
| 22:27.22 | tremon | yw |
| 22:27.41 | ompaul_ | almonds: slightly unsupported |
| 22:27.52 | ompaul_ | !tell almonds about etch |
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| 22:28.20 | [raven] | almonds: create a file in /etc/rc.d or in your userlevel ? |
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| 22:28.50 | [raven] | see you guys! |
| 22:29.09 | almonds | the reason I use this old version of debian is a whole other depressing story, my boss insists.. |
| 22:29.23 | almonds | and hes a "security" guy also,sigh |
| 22:29.38 | almonds | thanks [raven] |
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| 22:30.16 | almonds | i dont have a rc.d file |
| 22:30.21 | almonds | i have an init.d |
| 22:30.24 | tremon | almonds: /etc/init.d |
| 22:30.34 | almonds | thanks, do I just make another file there? |
| 22:30.42 | almonds | or can I nano a file and insert the command |
| 22:30.57 | tremon | almonds: copy /etc/init.d/skeleton and edit it |
| 22:31.07 | almonds | thanks |
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| 22:37.47 | SupYoshi | does anyone have a random script? |
| 22:38.28 | SupYoshi | I need a bash script that can do something on each hour and can try at a certain change, and can happen max 4 times a day |
| 22:39.01 | SupYoshi | CAn someone help me on this? Or for example, help me creating and get something for teh effort :) |
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| 22:40.08 | ksx4system | SupYoshi: you can try asking in #bash, I've had help from these people few times |
| 22:40.15 | SupYoshi | thank you :) |
| 22:43.08 | almonds | my debian box wont turn off |
| 22:43.09 | almonds | or reboot |
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| 22:43.33 | tremon | try a bigger hammer |
| 22:43.35 | ompaul_ | almonds: su - then put in root password then type halt and hit enter |
| 22:43.54 | almonds | im root,i had this issue before |
| 22:43.58 | almonds | im logged in remotely |
| 22:44.12 | almonds | but also when i go 2 it physically,i cant do anything |
| 22:44.14 | almonds | 2500:/etc/init.d# shutdown -h now |
| 22:44.15 | almonds | Broadcast message from root@2500 (pts/0) (Tue Feb 21 18:02:59 2012): |
| 22:44.15 | almonds | The system is going down for system halt NOW! |
| 22:44.15 | almonds | 2500:/etc/init.d# |
| 22:44.16 | ompaul_ | and you installed mollyguard at some stage and removed it? |
| 22:44.28 | almonds | no idea what that is |
| 22:44.35 | almonds | imsuper noob |
| 22:44.44 | ompaul_ | noob ... lovely |
| 22:44.50 | almonds | when i go to it physically |
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| 22:44.59 | almonds | i cant type anything |
| 22:45.09 | ompaul_ | you're typing a lot here |
| 22:45.11 | almonds | its stuck on tcpdump listening |
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| 22:45.42 | almonds | so i ALT+F2 and i get the login prompt, but it wont let me type in a username |
| 22:46.05 | almonds | keyboard works fine, not sure why it wont turn off, i had similar problem before long ago |
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| 22:46.54 | almonds | last change i did was put tcpdump |
| 22:47.08 | almonds | i have tcpdump and another sniffer listening on bond0 |
| 22:47.30 | ompaul_ | killall tcpdump |
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| 22:48.26 | qkzoo | I'm spreadsheet-challenged. I have a daily updated CSV formatted spreadsheet with tons of data in it, that comes from a dealer. I would like to easily be able to remove some columns, and rename the column title's of others, and then save it as another csv file that I can import with another program. I want this to happen automatically to a file when I press one button, or run one script. Is this possible? |
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| 22:49.00 | tremon | qkzoo: yes |
| 22:49.24 | qkzoo | Is it possible within libre/open office, or do I need an external program to do this? |
| 22:49.59 | dondelelcaro | qkzoo: you'd probably be better off writing a small program to do that. |
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| 22:50.33 | qkzoo | An actual program, or a script? |
| 22:51.10 | tremon | some say perl programs are sentient beings... |
| 22:51.38 | ompaul_ | qkzoo: cut is your friend cut -c1-100 > foo and then cut -c120-140 > foo2 or whatever then use readline or some other clever tool to read a and b and echo them together into C |
| 22:51.43 | tremon | qkzoo: take a look at awk |
| 22:52.11 | rudi_s | qkzoo: Or use perl. |
| 22:52.58 | fasta | qkzoo: the correct way to solve that is to use a proper API to do that. |
| 22:53.00 | rudi_s | libtext-csv-perl and libtext-csv-xs-perl sound promising. |
| 22:53.01 | ompaul_ | awk would be a nice way to get the two split lines to concatenate again print $1 $2 kind of things |
| 22:53.21 | fasta | qkzoo: every programming language has libraries to do those things in a non-broken way. |
| 22:53.42 | almonds | so, i followed this http://tips4linux.com/create-a-startup-script-for-debian-and-ubuntu-systems/ |
| 22:53.48 | almonds | added 1 line, tcpdump -i bond0 -w test -C 2 |
| 22:53.53 | fasta | qkzoo: cut and awk create maintenance nightmares, but you can also learn how those work yourself :) |
| 22:54.03 | almonds | now i cant login to the box locally anymore lol |
| 22:54.16 | almonds | i dont even get the login prompt anympre |
| 22:54.29 | almonds | it just shows tcpdump running, but i can login remotely |
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| 22:54.43 | tremon | almonds: that's because tcpdump doesn't daemonize and startup is sequential |
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| 22:55.08 | tremon | mumbles something about testing before reboot |
| 22:55.15 | almonds | :( |
| 22:55.48 | fasta | tremon: how do you test those things? |
| 22:56.09 | tremon | fasta: invoke-rc.d script start |
| 22:56.26 | almonds | i dont have a rc.d |
| 22:56.28 | fasta | tremon: I was thinking of the more general problem. |
| 22:56.59 | fasta | tremon: i.e., some change which requires a kernel reboot and perhaps even some proprietary driver which might make your system unbootable. |
| 22:57.02 | tremon | almonds: edit your kernel command line from grub, add init=/bin/bash and edit the script (for example, use screen -d -m) |
| 22:57.30 | tremon | fasta: you can't test new kernels without rebooting, obviously |
| 22:57.41 | fasta | tremon: you can naturally just run a VM on which you execute the same instructions, but there is still no guarantee that it will work. |
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| 22:58.02 | fasta | tremon: (actually now I think about it, I do know how I can do that efficiently) |
| 22:58.21 | fasta | tremon: it's a fairly recent development, though. |
| 22:58.28 | almonds | thanks |
| 22:58.42 | fasta | tremon: and it would only work for 'server' applications. |
| 22:58.49 | tremon | if you're thinking of kexec, that doesn't allow to you revert to the previous kernel either |
| 22:58.57 | fasta | tremon: I am not. |
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| 23:00.05 | qkzoo | dang it, don't know if it's this xchat client or the server that keeps dropping me after a few minutes and then I have to reconnect |
| 23:00.30 | qkzoo | but I never saw if there were any replies to "I've no experience in python, but I've read it's the..." |
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| 23:00.58 | tremon | cat's meow? |
| 23:01.09 | tremon | tyrant's device? |
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| 23:01.44 | tremon | runt of the litter? |
| 23:01.58 | qkzoo | horrible internet connection. |
| 23:02.32 | salamand1r | hi there, does anyone know a page debian.post or something like that, to share the output of some commands??? |
| 23:02.49 | qkzoo | salamand |
| 23:03.03 | qkzoo | http://pastebin.ca/ |
| 23:03.05 | tremon | paste.debian.net |
| 23:03.07 | rudi_s | salamand1r: http://paste.debian.net |
| 23:03.18 | salamand1r | that is the one, thanx!! |
| 23:03.21 | qkzoo | oh cool, didn't know about that one. |
| 23:03.40 | rudi_s | If you like the terminal have a look at pastebinit - which handles the pasting for you. |
| 23:04.09 | almonds | pastebinit is awesome |
| 23:04.21 | salamand1r | ok |
| 23:04.43 | almonds | u just reminded me to install that on my ec2 shell |
| 23:05.13 | tremon | qkzoo: I don't see anyone mentioning python in response to your question |
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| 23:08.37 | salamand1r | I thought that the messages in the startup proces were the same as dmesg output, but they are not the same. How can I see some (warning) messages that show up in the startup process?? |
| 23:09.18 | abrotman | relating to which script ? |
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| 23:09.37 | Woet | salamand1r: cat /var/log/syslog |
| 23:09.40 | tremon | salamand1r: in theory bootlogd, but that never worked reliably for me. Maybe scroll-lock or shift-pgup might help? |
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| 23:10.03 | salamand1r | I'll try those... |
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| 23:10.53 | overflow_0f8b | amiga is reloaded ! 2010 summer with programmable logic coprocessor: http://a-eon.com/x1000.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AmigaOne_X1000 |
| 23:11.03 | abrotman | overflow_0f8b: wrong channel |
| 23:11.18 | overflow_0f8b | debian will not support amiga? ;< |
| 23:11.55 | abrotman | overflow_0f8b: did you check debian.org/ports ? |
| 23:12.11 | qkzoo | xchat-gnome seems better than just xchat |
| 23:12.35 | abrotman | overflow_0f8b: you saw the part where it's PowerPC, right ? |
| 23:12.52 | overflow_0f8b | sure |
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| 23:14.33 | salamand1r | cat /var/log/syslog is like dmesg and bootlod do nothing =/. Anyway my problem is a waring message "Saved ALSA mixer settings detected, aumix will not touch the mixer. ...(warning)" |
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| 23:25.44 | Peetz0r | Hi everyone, I have a very oldskool question. |
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| 23:27.52 | Peetz0r | I have a laptop runninf debian 3.0 with kernel 2.4.18, compiled way back in 2002. |
| 23:28.13 | Peetz0r | The laptop itself is too old to run any 2.6 distro |
| 23:28.51 | Peetz0r | It has a pcmcia slot, and I have a pcmcia wifi adapter here, but it doesn't work |
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| 23:29.27 | Peetz0r | When I run `lspci`, it says "lspci: Unable to read 64 bytes of configuration space." |
| 23:29.38 | Peetz0r | lspci works when I remove the netword adapter |
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| 23:30.20 | Peetz0r | The network adapter does get quite warm, if that means anything |
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| 23:34.21 | ward_ | my intel 5100 wifi card doesnt seem to be working |
| 23:34.25 | ward_ | but lspci detects it fine |
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| 23:35.17 | ward_ | nvm found this: http://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi#Wheezy |
| 23:36.10 | ward_ | but i dont have any netowrking, so can i somehow get all the required debs from another machine, and transfer them by USB stick? |
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| 23:36.45 | ward_ | alternatively i could boot the disk with another machine that has networking, and do it that way |
| 23:38.28 | qkzoo | Should I use the most recent version of Perl? This version of Debian came with 5.10.1 installed, but I see from some of the docs I'm reading that they recommend 5.8, can I update from Apt? |
| 23:39.09 | Woet | qkzoo: 5.10.1 is more recent than 5.8 |
| 23:39.27 | qkzoo | oh, duh, i guess a fresh pair of eyeballs always helps! |
| 23:39.29 | Woet | :) |
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| 23:48.26 | Peetz0r | ward_: you can download them from packages.debian.org and save them on your usb drive |
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| 23:48.51 | Peetz0r | the run `sudo dpkg -i package.deb` on the other machine to install them |
| 23:48.57 | Peetz0r | then* |
| 23:49.49 | ward_ | Peetz0r: nvm im booting it on another machine, also this wouldnt be simple with dependencies etc |
| 23:50.25 | Peetz0r | yes, dependencies could be a pain using this method |
| 23:50.35 | simonlnu | !apt-zip |
| 23:50.35 | dpkg | Update a non-networked computer using apt and removable media. Just aptitude install apt-zip and read the docs in /usr/share/doc/apt-zip, or ask me about <apt offline> <apt-walkabout>. http://wiki.debian.org/AptZip |
| 23:50.52 | Kamping_Kaiser | sif not carry a debian mirror on your laptop |
| 23:51.22 | simonlnu | you don't? :P |
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| 23:51.44 | Kamping_Kaiser | i do actually :p |
| 23:51.49 | simonlnu | heh heh |
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| 23:52.39 | ksx4system | how much space takes a Debian repositories mirror? single architecture, x86 32-bit |
| 23:52.48 | simonlnu | a bunch |
| 23:52.57 | ksx4system | 160Gb drive will be ok? |
| 23:52.58 | Peetz0r | Does anyone have experience with wifi drivers on old debian versions? |
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| 23:53.05 | Kamping_Kaiser | skynet-2000: plenty |
| 23:53.16 | Kamping_Kaiser | er, * ksx4system |
| 23:53.20 | Kamping_Kaiser | skynet-2000: sorry about the ping |
| 23:53.24 | dondelelcaro | ksx4system: not really |
| 23:53.45 | simonlnu | !dstats |
| 23:53.49 | skynet-2000 | sup Kamping_Kaiser NP |
| 23:53.49 | dondelelcaro | ksx4system: i386+source is probably going to run you around 140G |
| 23:53.50 | ksx4system | dondelelcaro: well... so maybe half terabyte? |
| 23:53.53 | skynet-2000 | HAHA IS THAT YOU |
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| 23:53.56 | abrotman | simonlnu: still broken i think |
| 23:54.10 | dondelelcaro | ksx4system: currently, amd64+i386+source is around 240G |
| 23:54.14 | qkzoo | how do you install cpanminus, I'm confused. It keeps telling me curl -L http://cpanmin.us | perl - --sudo App::cpanminus when it never asked me to connect. |
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| 23:54.21 | dpkg | Debian Distro Stats on sid... 36944 packages, 2272 maintainers, 116482 MB installed size, 44693 MB compressed size. |
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| 23:54.41 | Kamping_Kaiser | dondelelcaro: you sure? i'm sure my mirror isn't over 250gb |
| 23:54.42 | Iridos | no, just taks some sweet time :) |
| 23:54.45 | ksx4system | dondelelcaro: so setup needed for me (i386+mipsel) should run happily on half terabyte drive |
| 23:54.45 | qkzoo | whoops: keeps telling me I didn't allow it to connect to internet. |
| 23:54.50 | dondelelcaro | ksx4system: yes |
| 23:54.56 | dondelelcaro | Kamping_Kaiser: yes. |
| 23:55.00 | abrotman | simonlnu: oh, for squeeze it is |
| 23:55.07 | dondelelcaro | Kamping_Kaiser: 394G 288G 107G 73% /srv/debmirror |
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| 23:56.37 | Kamping_Kaiser | dondelelcaro: hm, i'll have to check mine |
| 23:56.55 | qkzoo | Please enter the URL of your CPAN mirror |
| 23:57.01 | qkzoo | I don't know. |
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| 23:57.37 | dondelelcaro | qkzoo: why bother? |
| 23:57.49 | dondelelcaro | qkzoo: almost useful perl module is already packaged in Debian |
| 23:58.04 | dondelelcaro | (and arguably, many that aren't useful) |
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| 23:58.39 | simonlnu | ,i fex |
| 23:58.44 | judd | Package fex (web, optional) in squeeze/i386: web service for transfering very large files. Version: 20100208+debian1-1+squeeze1; Size: 141.1k; Installed: 452k; Homepage: http://fex.rus.uni-stuttgart.de/ |
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| 23:59.27 | qkzoo | dondel: I'm reading through "Perl modules, what are they and why do I care?" on the "First Steps" for learning Perl |
