| 00:00.08 | dondelelcaro | qkzoo: ah. well, any time that it tells you about a perl module Foo::Bar, instead of firing up cpan, you should just do aptitude install libfoo-bar-perl |
| 00:00.20 | dondelelcaro | qkzoo: or apt-cache search Foo::Bar; and install the appropriate package |
| 00:01.15 | Iridos | but there's a gazillion perl modules, they can't be all packaged for debian |
| 00:01.42 | dondelelcaro | Iridos: that's true, but almost every single one of the useful ones are |
| 00:01.47 | simonlnu | only half a gazillion of them are |
| 00:02.20 | dondelelcaro | Iridos: the very few times you find one that isn't packaged, it either isn't useful, is new enough that someone hasn't gotten around to it, or is niche enough that someone hasn't gotten around to it |
| 00:02.35 | simonlnu | i find myself cpan'ning one every now and then, for various scripts. many have gotten packaged since. |
| 00:02.59 | dondelelcaro | Iridos: in the latter two cases, dh-make-perl will help you around that problem, and the first case is one where you probably want to use some other module |
| 00:03.11 | nevyn | hates secondary package management systems with a firey firey passion |
| 00:03.14 | Iridos | simonlnu, I see... that's why there are 36944 packages... 30000 are perl modules |
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| 00:03.26 | beardy | nevyn: Hot. |
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| 00:03.43 | nevyn | cpan, ccan, ruby gems, pear all should die. |
| 00:03.46 | simonlnu | nevyn: *pssss* |
| 00:03.49 | beardy | guesses he should skip getting deeper into perl altogether |
| 00:03.52 | Iridos | dondelelcaro, ah, I wondered if there's something like dh-make-perl :) was just going to ask |
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| 00:04.09 | simonlnu | *ouch*, that burns |
| 00:04.10 | dondelelcaro | nevyn: they're actually really useful |
| 00:04.13 | Iridos | gives beardy a pearl necklace |
| 00:04.19 | nevyn | dondelelcaro: I know. |
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| 00:04.30 | simonlnu | gives Iridos a perl belt |
| 00:04.34 | dondelelcaro | is currently in the process of building all of cran |
| 00:04.43 | alfplayer | Hi. what debian binary or source package is the best to get wine 1.2 or 1.3 for squeeze? |
| 00:05.06 | nvz | does anyone by chance know of a photo morphing software that would put a grid on a photo and allow you to move the grid to stretch the photo? |
| 00:05.11 | simonlnu | how often do we get that now, once a day, a week? |
| 00:05.36 | nvz | alfplayer: do you just want a certain version of wine or do you actually have a need for the source? |
| 00:05.44 | dondelelcaro | who knows, but the wine packagers definitely need help |
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| 00:05.51 | simonlnu | wine == moving target |
| 00:06.02 | simonlnu | yeh they sure do |
| 00:06.03 | nvz | yes well I have a solution to that.. |
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| 00:06.16 | kevlarman | alfplayer: winehq.org has a (somewhat crappy) download |
| 00:06.18 | abrotman | simonlnu: you could just pick a target from a year ago, that'd be more recent than what's in sid |
| 00:06.22 | kevlarman | or rather a link to one |
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| 00:06.34 | simonlnu | abrotman: yep |
| 00:06.42 | nvz | found this neat thing called playonlinux that allows you to easily have any and even multiple version of wine all neatly running along side one another |
| 00:06.44 | kevlarman | abrotman: a year ago is still unreasonably old (and has license issues) |
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| 00:06.55 | simonlnu | sid's is like 1.12 or something |
| 00:07.07 | Iridos | nvz, there must have been one in debian, I faintly remember playing around with it |
| 00:07.10 | simonlnu | ,i wine --release=sid |
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| 00:07.11 | judd | Package wine (otherosfs, optional) in sid/i386: Windows API implementation - standard suite. Version: 1.0.1-3.5; Size: 43.4k; Installed: 75k; Homepage: http://www.winehq.org/; Screenshot: http://screenshots.debian.net/package/wine |
| 00:07.13 | alfplayer | nvz: i don't need the source, i'd like a somewhat stable wine package, i'll compile the debian package if the binary is not available |
| 00:07.18 | simonlnu | 1.0.1, heh |
| 00:07.25 | kevlarman | simonlnu: you're thinking of wine-unstable |
| 00:07.34 | simonlnu | ,i wine-unstable --release=sid |
| 00:07.35 | judd | Package wine-unstable (otherosfs, optional) in sid/i386: Windows API implementation - standard suite. Version: 1.1.36-1; Size: 1.5k; Installed: 41k; Homepage: http://www.winehq.org/ |
| 00:07.43 | simonlnu | still old ;) |
| 00:07.45 | kevlarman | that's still about dinosaurs and a half |
| 00:07.56 | nvz | Iridos: I used one ages ago when I was a windows user so it'd have to have been 12 years now.. I just suddenly wanna play around again.. was cool that I could make someones nose bigger or something real simply |
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| 00:08.12 | Iridos | nvz, but perhaps it's been removed? I dunno... perhaps I just don't remember corrrectly anymore... when I played around with it, must have been before 2007 |
| 00:08.23 | abrotman | nvz: you may want to ask the Gimp people .. there may be a script or plugin |
| 00:08.37 | Iridos | nvz, nose bigger you can easily do with the gimp |
| 00:08.42 | simonlnu | yeh, i'm pretty sure there is, even a built-in |
| 00:08.54 | nvz | alfplayer: I'm not certain offhand about how to get it in debian but look for playonlinux, its a gui for installing and running things with wine that'll download you any version of wine you want and allow you to test things with different versions of wine |
| 00:08.57 | ironm | good evening. please allow me one question about the syntax of Relase file on multi-architecture debian iso images / local repos. Is such syntax the right one? : Architectures: i386 amd64 |
| 00:09.00 | simonlnu | gimp comes with more plugins than ps ever did |
| 00:09.01 | abrotman | nvz: last itime i used something like that was on iris |
| 00:09.03 | abrotman | erm .. irix |
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| 00:09.10 | Iridos | nvz, for that I can even give you the name, only used that recently :) |
| 00:09.18 | Iridos | abrotman, old man :) |
| 00:09.29 | nvz | Iridos: yeah well I know that.. but I wanna do lots more morphing than that.. heh.. I want a grid so I can change lots of stuff |
| 00:09.31 | alfplayer | kevlarman: the link here http://www.winehq.org/download/debian point to page with only wine 1.4 |
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| 00:09.51 | kevlarman | alfplayer: that's really 1.3.x |
| 00:09.57 | nvz | Iridos: without having to manually assemble the grid as I'm gonna be doing this on more than one photo and I don't feel like taking a year to do it |
| 00:10.00 | simonlnu | alfplayer: um, 1.4 is their current beta or rc version |
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| 00:10.09 | kevlarman | alfplayer: except patches that look like they might break something get refused |
| 00:10.24 | beardy | nvz: Just use the gimp. IIRC there's a grid-stretch button even. If not, it's in the Filters. |
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| 00:10.44 | kevlarman | rc's = no new features for about a month and a half |
| 00:10.49 | beardy | (and #gimp has nice people, atleast last I was there.. years ago I guess) |
| 00:10.54 | simonlnu | and there's gimp-plugin-registry too |
| 00:10.59 | kevlarman | then we get 1.4.0 and development goes to 1.5 |
| 00:11.12 | nvz | alfplayer: http://www.playonlinux.com/en/download.html apparently they have a squeeze repo for it, which installing that gets you any version of wine you want easily |
| 00:11.37 | kevlarman | ^note that the wine project will refuse to support anything that playonlinux has touched |
| 00:11.41 | simonlnu | ii wine-unstable 1.4~rc2-0.1 Windows API implementation - standard suite # i got it online at that dude's site |
| 00:12.16 | beardy | nvz: From memory, it's in Filters->Distorts->..somethingsuitable |
| 00:12.19 | nvz | beardy: I'll look and see |
| 00:12.21 | Iridos | nvz, hah, yeah... 2003 seems about right http://xmorph.sourceforge.net/ |
| 00:12.22 | simonlnu | hmm |
| 00:12.25 | simonlnu | ,dsa 2415-1 |
| 00:12.31 | simonlnu | nope |
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| 00:12.43 | alfplayer | i'll check all that, thank you: nvz, kevlarman, simonlnu |
| 00:13.00 | Iridos | nvz, I feel interest in morphing after that dwindled and the package was probably removed from debian due to an inactive upstream |
| 00:13.04 | simonlnu | what did i do? :) yw |
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| 00:13.15 | nvz | Iridos: yeah I think thats more along the lines of what I want to do, but I'm gonna look in gimp real quick and see what its got |
| 00:13.23 | Iridos | nvz, What lets me think that is: Binary packages for Debian GNU/Linux are currently available in Debian: just type "apt-get install xmorph" or "apt-get install gtkmorph". |
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| 00:13.29 | beardy | simonlnu: Your precense inspires! |
| 00:13.36 | beardy | (spell) |
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| 00:13.43 | nemysis | hello is better to use on AMD FX4-Core amd64 or i386 net-install image |
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| 00:13.49 | simonlnu | my smell? :P |
| 00:14.02 | Iridos | dpkg, why is xmorph not in testing |
| 00:14.02 | dpkg | xmorph is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=xmorph |
| 00:14.09 | nemysis | Wish to install Debian GNU/Linux on other PC |
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| 00:14.32 | beardy | nemysis: Is this other PC connected to the Internet? |
| 00:14.33 | nvz | Iridos: well sadly I'm not on debian at the moment cause my hdd died and I still haven't replaced it.. heh.. but yeah I'm sure I can find a deb package for xmorph somewhere if the gimp won't do.. which it might.. but I need something that does quality morphs easily |
| 00:14.47 | Iridos | nvz, you can probably take the last available source package and compile it for squeeze? |
| 00:14.48 | nemysis | yes naturally full with pfSense Router |
| 00:14.57 | beardy | !d-i nemysis |
| 00:14.57 | dpkg | nemysis, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ |
| 00:15.08 | ParkerR | Only thing I miss in debian testing is wine. I can build from source but soo many errors arise when using it. |
| 00:15.18 | nemysis | I look too http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ |
| 00:15.36 | nemysis | wish only small installation and then adjust with Fluxbox and such |
| 00:15.39 | beardy | nemysis: Yep, that's what I meant to say. |
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| 00:16.12 | nemysis | thanks beardy, dpkg |
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| 00:16.37 | nvz | Iridos: or just look to see where I can find something that uses libmorph.. A. Menucci apparently made some changes on that library and as I recall he is a debian developer.. so.. I'm sure its doable if he's hackin on it |
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| 00:18.13 | nemysis | and how big should be Partition for Debian GNU/Linux 10GB or more? |
| 00:18.59 | abrotman | depends what the system will do |
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| 00:19.42 | nemysis | Games, Office, Internet |
| 00:20.02 | Iridos | games! |
| 00:20.03 | nemysis | have for Data separate Disks |
| 00:20.04 | Iridos | then 20G |
| 00:20.15 | nemysis | then 30GB |
| 00:20.25 | nemysis | allwas a bit more is good |
| 00:21.01 | nvz | beardy: actually if this thing wasn't a crappy little dialog where I can't undo and were a tool, it'd be ideal.. but its still usable I guess.. it has a lot of features I don't recall having when I did this stuff before |
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| 00:21.34 | beardy | nvz: The Gimp is scriptable using a number of languages, and batchable. |
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| 00:22.30 | nemysis | look in http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch03s04.html.en |
| 00:22.38 | Monotoko | hey guys... my boss has some workers that need to run an "import.sh" script on my server, when they want to, that updates the current testing build from svn... I was thinking about giving them SSH access but how would I lock it down so they can just run the import.sh (and not read that file, just run it, if possible?) |
| 00:23.16 | nvz | beardy: I just want to hand morph.. this filter is great, but its working on a thumbnail in a dialog, not the actual image and all it has is a reset.. so I'd have to keep doing it over and over to be able to undo morphs individually which isn't gonna cut it for most things |
| 00:23.22 | Kamping_Kaiser | Monotoko: look at man 5 authorized_keys |
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| 00:23.52 | beardy | nvz: Oh. |
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| 00:24.39 | nvz | haha.. made this person look like an alien shrinkin their face though which is amusing.. |
| 00:24.54 | beardy | nvz: But there might be others. Look for "stretch".. I'm at work and no gimp installed here so I can't check much right now.. |
| 00:24.58 | nvz | just not real practical since its a filter dialog and not a tool I can use more freehand |
| 00:25.43 | Iridos | Monotoko, allow import.sh as a shell and make it their shell? |
| 00:25.47 | nvz | haha.. I could laugh about this for hours.. I probably shouldn't have asked.. I'm far too easily amused to have something like this |
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| 00:26.38 | Iridos | Monotoko, means you have to look through the shell and possibly check for things like ^C |
| 00:27.06 | Iridos | nvz, which one? |
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| 00:27.18 | nvz | Iridos: the Iwarp filter in the gimp |
| 00:27.36 | Iridos | nvz, ah yeah... that's the one I'd have pointed you to for a big nose or so |
| 00:27.47 | nvz | beardy: one thing that got me chapped is there are no longer tearoff menus in the gimp making things real hard to get to when I'm gonna be using them over and over |
| 00:29.21 | beardy | nvz: Yes, that really sucks.. but hopefully configurable? |
| 00:29.23 | nvz | Iridos: yeah its amusing just the same but its not the same as having a full photo, being able to zoom/pan and do other things while I'm morphing.. cause its all inside a tiny filter dialog and if I do one thing then go to do another and mess up all I can do is reset all edits.. which is not ideal. Nor is having to keep reopening the dialog traversing multiple menus for each f'n click I make |
| 00:29.48 | beardy | nvz: Last time I used it quickly I noticed it too, but didn't fix it/investigate at the time. |
| 00:29.54 | nvz | beardy: IDK I could dig around.. but I assumed when they took it out it just wasnt a part of GTK anymore cause ALL gtk apps used to have tear off menus back in the day |
| 00:30.12 | nemysis | Good Night all |
| 00:30.25 | nvz | Any gtk menu had the >------------- thing at the top before.. which I liked |
| 00:30.30 | ParkerR | Woohoo found the wine unstable builds :D |
| 00:30.30 | beardy | Me too. |
| 00:30.36 | ParkerR | Got Spotify working |
| 00:30.41 | beardy | Why on earth did that drop that? |
| 00:30.45 | Iridos | nvz, also had some fun with Iwarp :) http://ppl.ug/Sii9AtLH_kg/ |
| 00:30.59 | beardy | ParkerR: Spotify's linux client works fine since quite a while.. |
| 00:31.19 | ParkerR | beardy, Umm doesnt it require premium? |
| 00:31.21 | nvz | beardy: idk.. but it was a bad idea.. that was an awesome feature.. cause with all these menus and sub menus, when you are gonna be working 4 levels deep you are better off just floating that sub menu |
| 00:32.03 | beardy | ParkerR: It used to (and give an extremely unhelpful error number) but I think/hope that was fixed. |
| 00:32.19 | beardy | nvz: Yep. |
| 00:32.20 | ParkerR | Ok will try it |
| 00:32.29 | nvz | Iridos: far more innocent than my intentions, but still cool |
| 00:33.04 | beardy | ParkerR: (There's instructions for *buntu/Debian, and a repo, that works.) |
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| 00:33.25 | nvz | beardy: the fact that when it wasn't in the gimp anymore it dissapeared on all gtk apps where it had been before, I figure its a gtk thing, not a gimp thing.. if the feature even still exists it'd have to be done in gtk settings I'd think |
| 00:33.29 | mcfly___ | all right that's work ! |
| 00:33.45 | ParkerR | beardy, "As we haven't found a reliable way to display ads yet, this version is only available to Spotify Premium and Unlimited subscribers." |
| 00:34.02 | beardy | ParkerR: Ah ok.. |
| 00:34.07 | ParkerR | And the windows version works in wine so meh |
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| 00:34.18 | beardy | ParkerR: Yes it does. |
| 00:34.47 | ParkerR | beardy, Actually the newest Spotify crashes on login but winetricks winhttp fixes that |
| 00:34.54 | ParkerR | :D |
| 00:35.43 | beardy | nvz: Have to look into that, can't work without submenus detached. But it was a while since I gimped. |
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| 00:42.41 | maggie | I am trying to use remastersys in squeeze actually crunchbang and the dev documents warn that squashfs-modules must be installed. Checked APT and squashfs-tools package is installed is this what I need? How would I find out? |
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| 00:43.17 | Kk2 | hello everyone, first of all, good night, i need a little help ;x |
| 00:44.14 | nvz | beardy: from what I gathered online its a menu item that has to be programmed into the app.. seemed like prior to gtk2 all apps just did it.. I did notice in the gimp I can set a shortcut for virtually anything though |
| 00:44.20 | ParkerR | maggie, #crunchbang |
| 00:44.49 | simonlnu | nvz: detched menus? just gotta set your ~/.gtkrc-2.0 right |
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| 00:45.43 | Kk2 | i installed right now a new debian in my new partition but, i got errors on GRUB install, and cant anyway, so i installed LILO not a smart choice, but didnt work too, he cant start linux from lilo get a kernel error and didnt boot, is there a way of removing this and put a grub? like in livecd or anyting like this? |
| 00:46.21 | nvz | simonlnu: I thought it might be doable on a gtk level but couldnt find anything googling for it :-P |
| 00:46.35 | somiaj | Kk2: yes there is, you can even use the install media you installed from. But it requires a little bit of knowledge of command line |
| 00:46.55 | beardy | Kk2: You can boot with a livecd of your choice, mount your partition and chroot, and install grub. I suggest Debian Live (XFCE personally) or SystemRescueCD. |
| 00:46.59 | somiaj | Kk2: the debian installers have a small rescue system that can be used in a case like this. |
| 00:47.17 | beardy | Or what somiaj says. |
| 00:47.27 | Kk2 | hm.... nice point |
| 00:47.47 | Kk2 | will try first the debian rescue, if dont work will but with ubuntu and chroot :P |
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| 00:48.03 | somiaj | Kk2: well the debian rescue has enough to chroot into the system. |
| 00:48.07 | maggie | been to crunchbang. strangly no activity. But CB Statler uses squeeze repos. |
| 00:48.25 | Kk2 | thx a lot somiaj and beardy |
| 00:48.30 | somiaj | Kk2: if the grub-pc packages didn't isntall you'll probabaly have to mount the netinstaller (or cd1) inside the chroot so you can install the grub packages. |
| 00:48.38 | ParkerR | maggie, See your other highlights L) |
| 00:48.44 | ParkerR | *:) |
| 00:48.48 | Kk2 | ok will try :D thx a lot |
| 00:50.01 | amphi | nvz: wouldn't making a keybinding for whatever tool you're using be a workaround? |
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| 00:51.00 | nvz | amphi: to a degree but I'm still working on a thumbnail and not the photo.. I'm makin due right now just cause I like the options iWarp has to shrink, grow, or move |
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| 00:51.18 | very_sad | lol deb |
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| 00:52.25 | nvz | amphi: not to mention as I said it has shortcut settings for ALMOST everything EXCEPT the filters menu and content.. heh |
| 00:52.41 | nvz | for whatever reason every other menu and its contents is in there but that one |
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| 00:54.23 | amphi | nvz: you can just select the menu item and type the key combo you want to use to invoke it |
| 00:54.31 | nvz | amphi: there is however already a shortcut Ctrl+F to repeat the last filter |
| 00:54.43 | nvz | amphi: the entire filters menu is not in the shortcut settings |
| 00:55.19 | amphi | select the item in the actual menu, and type your desired key combo |
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| 00:56.18 | nvz | amphi: uh.. no.. that won't work |
| 00:56.29 | amphi | works here, I just set a binding for iwarp |
| 00:56.34 | beardy | Why destroy working things? Such morons.. |
| 00:56.41 | amphi | gimp has always been able to do that |
| 00:56.58 | beardy | amphi: What about to a whole submenu? |
| 00:57.46 | amphi | beardy: no, only menuitems, as far as I know |
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| 00:58.11 | nvz | amphi: doesn't work here.. when i select iwarp it opens iwarp.. and hitting a macro at that point either does nothing or does what that macro does if its already assigned |
| 00:58.48 | amphi | nvz: FWIW, I have 'gtk-can-change-accels = 1' in my .gtkrc, but if I recall correctly gimp doesn't need that |
| 00:59.30 | nvz | amphi: the little underline things? |
| 00:59.35 | nvz | cause thats not a shortcut |
| 00:59.46 | nvz | you have to already have a menu selected for those to do anything at all |
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| 01:00.16 | amphi | nvz: you need to enable Edit→Preferences→Use dynamic keyboard shortcuts |
| 01:00.41 | amphi | nvz: no, not them - the keybinding appears to the right of the menu item text |
| 01:01.17 | amphi | & you want 'save shortcuts on exit' enabled too, probably |
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| 01:05.03 | Hackbat | Hey hey I'm needing a little help with a CMDline line only install of debian |
| 01:05.22 | somiaj | Hackbat: what do you mean cli only? Are you using debootstrap? |
| 01:05.29 | somiaj | (as opposed to the debian-installer)? |
| 01:06.05 | Hackbat | I don't have X installed on it since it's just a little server I run my printer off of |
| 01:06.12 | Hackbat | no need for a gui |
| 01:06.33 | somiaj | Hackbat: well what help do you need. So you have debian installed but didn't install X...that is just fine. |
| 01:06.41 | Hackbat | I'm wanting to increase the amount of text available on the moniter though |
| 01:07.05 | ParkerR | Heh just found out about xfce4-goodies :D |
| 01:07.08 | somiaj | Hackbat: you can use a framebuffer to change the console size, what graphics card? |
| 01:07.08 | Hackbat | I would just google it but no idea how to phrase it. |
| 01:07.22 | Hackbat | it's an embedded ATI |
| 01:07.27 | somiaj | Hackbat: there is a gneric |
| 01:07.32 | Hackbat | 3670 i think? |
| 01:08.07 | Hackbat | the problem is I don't know anything about any of this |
| 01:08.22 | somiaj | Hackbat: 'vesa' framebuffer, but you can also use a framebuffer for that card. The radeon module acts as a framebuffer (you don't need X with it). also check out /etc/default/grub (you can set a framebuffer size there) |
| 01:09.58 | Hackbat | grub_gfxmode? |
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| 01:10.58 | amphi | nvz: did that work? |
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| 01:19.56 | ParkerR | I tell the xfce4-cpufreq plugin to be performance on both cores and set it to the highest frequency but it doesnt apply the changes. When I reopen it's back at ondemand. |
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| 01:22.15 | ParkerR | sudo cpufreq-set -g performance did the trick |
| 01:24.49 | somiaj | ParkerR: seems you have to be root to actuall cause the change, there may be a group set up you can just add your user too (hopefully). |
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| 01:28.10 | somiaj | ParkerR: did you check /usr/share/doc/xfce4-cpufreq-plugin (maybe there is some documentation there about what to do in your situation) |
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| 01:28.29 | ParkerR | somiaj, Ok. Will look |
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| 01:31.50 | ParkerR | somiaj, Nope just two lines saying the basic of what can be done in the program. If it doesnt stick on reboot I will just do alias freq='sudo cpufreq-set -g performance && sudo cpufreq-set -c 1 -g performance' |
| 01:32.14 | somiaj | ParkerR: do you want this set every boot? |
| 01:32.35 | ParkerR | I thought so but maybe not. Having the alias I can choose |
| 01:33.02 | somiaj | was going to suggest /etc/rc.local (and the chmod +x that file) |
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| 01:34.27 | ParkerR | somiaj, Do I leave the exit 0 line in rc.local? |
| 01:35.05 | somiaj | ParkerR: yes that just ensures that the init process gets a 'sucessful' exit code. |
| 01:35.12 | somiaj | but you want it as the last line |
| 01:35.13 | ParkerR | Ahh ok |
| 01:35.16 | ParkerR | Yeah |
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| 01:35.35 | somiaj | the comments in the file basically say that though. |
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| 01:39.26 | ParkerR | somiaj, Weird. I figured I would try a reboot without the command just to see if it sticks. While I was at it I threw "xmodmap -e "keycode 94 = backslash bar"" in rc.local to test. 1. Cpufreq didn't stick and 2. that line I added to rc.local didn't work. I did sudo chmod +x /etc/rc.local |
| 01:39.45 | ParkerR | So I know I need to run the commands |
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| 01:39.53 | ParkerR | But the one I tried didn't work |
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| 01:40.38 | somiaj | ParkerR: xmodmap requires that X is running, you may not have it fully running by the time that file gets processed |
| 01:40.45 | ParkerR | Ahh |
| 01:40.50 | ParkerR | Would make sense XD |
| 01:41.02 | somiaj | ParkerR: depending on your desktop enviorment and how you set it up ~/.xsession is a good place to put that on debian systems |
| 01:41.11 | ParkerR | Ok |
| 01:41.21 | somiaj | ParkerR: though if you ~/.xsession you'll want to have a line to actually launch your desktop/wm |
| 01:41.36 | somiaj | you can also use the startup options/scripts of your de/wm to run that command as well |
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| 01:42.14 | ParkerR | somiaj, Well I'm using xfce4 |
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| 01:43.32 | ParkerR | somiaj, If the command needs to be run as root will it work in rc.local without the sudo prefix? |
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| 01:44.12 | somiaj | ParkerR: rc.local is run as root |
| 01:44.16 | Hackbat | Welp forget using grub :\ can't get it to work correctly |
| 01:44.22 | ParkerR | Okjust making sure |
| 01:44.28 | ParkerR | *Ok just |
| 01:44.34 | somiaj | ParkerR: that is a system startup thing for the local computer. It seemd the most fitting place to put something like that to me |
| 01:45.06 | ParkerR | Ok brb another restart |
| 01:45.10 | Hackbat | would be nice if monitors told you what resolution the computer was trying to use. the fact it's out of range doesn't help me |
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| 01:47.01 | ParkerR | somiaj, woohoo. Adding the cpufreq commands to rc.lcoal worked |
| 01:47.30 | dwon | Hackbat: If I use anything less than 1920x1080 on my monitor, it displays with a big warning that the display settings "are not optimal". Then, after a few seconds the warning goes away... *and so does the image*. It just turns off. |
| 01:47.47 | ParkerR | No to just find a xfce startup script |
| 01:47.50 | ParkerR | *Now |
| 01:48.05 | somiaj | ParkerR: #xfce I think may be better for that. |
| 01:48.07 | dwon | ParkerR: eh? Why not just set gdm to auto-login? |
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| 01:48.32 | ParkerR | dwon, Actually that isn't related to this issue but is another one I was wanting to fix |
| 01:48.39 | somiaj | ParkerR: though I think it may honor .desktop files in which case freedesktop.org has a standard in like ~/.config/startup or something silly like that. |
| 01:48.41 | ParkerR | dwfreed, :D |
| 01:48.47 | dwon | ah, ok |
| 01:49.00 | somiaj | dwon: he wants to add some custom scripts that happen when he logs in, not set up an autologin |
| 01:49.01 | ParkerR | * dwon |
| 01:49.15 | ParkerR | somiaj, Well that was the next thing on my list XD |
| 01:49.38 | somiaj | ParkerR: I know xfce is possible to configure that way. How to configure it, as an fvwm user I know not. |
| 01:49.42 | ParkerR | Get gdm to autologin |
| 01:49.44 | dwon | I think you can put *.desktop files into ~/.config/autostart/ |
| 01:49.48 | ParkerR | hits Google |
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| 01:50.25 | somiaj | ahh yea it is ~/.config/autostart/ -- I knew I read something about that |
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| 01:54.54 | ParkerR | Welp creating /etc/gdm3/custom.conf and adding the autologin true and autologin username didnt work |
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| 01:55.15 | aarkerio_ | hi! there is a way to change Gnome Shell Theme in testing? |
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| 01:55.59 | somiaj | aarkerio_: have you gone pokin though the gui gnome config tools? |
| 01:56.32 | aarkerio_ | using Tweak Tool "Shell Theme" option shows a yellow admiration symbol |
| 01:56.42 | aarkerio_ | like "disabled" |
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| 01:57.33 | ParkerR | somiaj, wait so I can just create a custom.sh in .config/autostart/, chmod +x it and reboot? |
| 01:58.08 | aarkerio_ | I don't know if I need compile gnome-tweak-tool by hand |
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| 01:59.13 | somiaj | ParkerR: you have to create a .desktop file of some sort, I'm unfamilar with the syntax |
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| 02:00.07 | aarkerio_ | how do you guys change shell themes? |
| 02:00.16 | somiaj | ParkerR: the xfce people/documentation may be better place for that type of info (you just get a lot of varity here of the de/wm people use) |
| 02:00.18 | aarkerio_ | using KDE? haha |
| 02:00.54 | ParkerR | somiaj, Ok. Thanks for the help |
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| 02:12.17 | OldParr | i made a live usb memory but i have to write "live persistent" every time i boot , how do i make it automatically |
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| 02:17.09 | cafuego | edit the boot options - probably in syslinux.cfg or somesuch |
| 02:17.34 | scwizard | is there any way for me to update my terminfo to the unstable build? |
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| 02:17.57 | scwizard | other than by just grabbing the file from the install CD and pasting it in |
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| 02:22.30 | Hackbat | ...there was a guide on how to change the framebuffer that wants me to compile my own kernal |
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| 02:25.29 | somiaj | Hackbat: what kernel are you using? |
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| 02:27.18 | Hackbat | how can I check that? |
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| 02:27.34 | somiaj | Hackbat: uname -r, also try this 'lsmod | grep radeon' (since you have a ati card) |
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| 02:28.16 | Hackbat | 2.6.32-5-686 |
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| 02:29.22 | Hackbat | I forget, what's lsmod for? |
| 02:29.34 | somiaj | Hackbat: it lists your installed modules, I'm just seeing if your system is loading the radeon module |
| 02:29.44 | Hackbat | yep it loads it |
| 02:29.47 | somiaj | well not installed, loaded |
| 02:30.01 | somiaj | so radeon is working as your framebuffer, now we just have to figure out how to tell it to use another resolution |
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| 02:30.58 | unomystEz | think dd'ing a 120GB SSD to a 128GB SSD would cause any issues? |
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| 02:31.15 | unomystEz | I think it should be fine, and beats reinstalling =) |
| 02:31.24 | somiaj | unomystEz: nope, but if you want to use the extra 8gigs you'll have to resize the partition table and filesystem. |
| 02:31.28 | Hackbat | unomystEz, if I remember right you can't fo that |
| 02:31.38 | unomystEz | gparted can help in that respect |
| 02:31.55 | unomystEz | Hackbat: ? |
| 02:32.00 | Hackbat | since they don't work like normal hardrives |
| 02:32.19 | Hackbat | they have to be aligned |
| 02:32.21 | unomystEz | you mean the offsets? it's still a block device |
| 02:32.25 | unomystEz | ah |
| 02:32.52 | OldParr | cafuego: are these options called "boot options" ? |
| 02:33.05 | unomystEz | Hackbat: so what you mean is that dd may be too low-level and not realign the data as needed? |
| 02:33.29 | unomystEz | I wonder if I can use some utility to clone an ext4 partition over to the new drive then |
| 02:33.44 | unomystEz | and then copy the boot record separately |
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| 02:34.09 | unomystEz | maybe i should just throw in the towel and reinstall from scratch to the new SSD |
| 02:34.24 | Hackbat | somiaj, I've been trying to use grub |
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| 02:34.45 | Hackbat | Each and every tutorial ends up adding something onto the last one I read |
| 02:35.18 | Hackbat | http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=41881 |
| 02:35.26 | Hackbat | what I'm currently trying |
| 02:35.34 | Hackbat | about to write in all the data |
| 02:36.38 | Hackbat | I'm confused by the fact my moniter asks for 1920x1080 but hwinfo says the closest setting I have is 1920x1440 |
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| 02:39.57 | somiaj | Hackbat: unsure, I've always been happy with the defaults. That page seems to give ya the best info so far. |
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| 02:41.44 | somiaj | Hackbat: I'd sugest following the modify /etc/default/grub and follow the instructions by jheaton5 (one of the least posts) |
| 02:42.12 | Hackbat | what I was following |
| 02:44.48 | somiaj | Hackbat: not sure, but I found the info in that last post looking the best (there were a few different ways of suggesting doing a similar thing in that thread you posted) |
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| 02:49.47 | carlitaa19 | http://ganardineroporinternet2012.blogspot.com/ |
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| 02:52.15 | ScottG | Does anyone here have experience with scanning in xsane? I am using a auto doc feeder (ADF) to scan but it's scanning in the wrong direction. It was just scanning in the right direction. I'm not sure how to fix this. Could someone help? |
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| 02:56.51 | Hackbat | somiaj, just got done typing it all in. Time to test! |
| 02:57.09 | Hackbat | on a side note I'm glad I have SSH installed |
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| 02:58.01 | Hackbat | nooooooo :c |
| 02:59.31 | Hackbat | wut...? it's using the broken resolution for grub and the old one for the cli |
| 02:59.39 | ParkerR | How can I ditch gdm? Want to use a lighter login manager |
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| 03:00.48 | WormFood | md: kicking non-fresh hdc2 from array! / raid1: raid set md0 active with 1 out of 2 mirrors <-- anyone know off-hand how to fix this? |
| 03:01.09 | WormFood | ParkerR, don't use a graphical login manager. Login to a console and run "startx" ;P |
| 03:01.52 | kabars_edge | ParkerR: honestly, the easiest would to be to install which ever login manger you want, and using your init scripts, disable gdm, enable your new login manager, I use Slim |
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| 03:03.08 | ParkerR | WormFood, That would work too XD |
| 03:04.16 | WormFood | if you do that, I suggest you run "exec startx", so nobody can suspend startx and run programs as you (I showed the database admin at my old job how I could get past his screensaver password by doing that little trick) |
| 03:04.18 | ParkerR | Haha nvm. Installing slim it gives you an option of what you want to use |
| 03:04.27 | ParkerR | As default |
| 03:05.01 | WormFood | it gives you graphical and text login options? |
| 03:05.03 | kabars_edge | I would still disable gdm, it can be a fickle mistress |
| 03:05.35 | ParkerR | WormFood, Installing slim it says two are installed, which one would you like to use |
| 03:05.46 | WormFood | two what are installed? |
| 03:05.52 | ParkerR | I uninstalled gdm at the same time XD |
| 03:05.58 | ParkerR | Womkes, Login managers |
| 03:06.02 | ParkerR | * WormFood |
| 03:06.15 | kabars_edge | FYI, slim is very basic |
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| 03:06.39 | ParkerR | gdm just seems like it takes a little too long to start up |
| 03:06.46 | WormFood | my question was specific to if they give you login options for text mode, or if it only handles graphical login managers |
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| 03:07.00 | kabars_edge | slim will not have problem, I assure you |
| 03:07.02 | ParkerR | WormFood, Not sure. Brb reboot |
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| 03:07.35 | simonlnu | reboot for installing a dm ? |
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| 03:07.58 | Mephisto | can anyone tell if there's actually any sound if you press PrtScr to make a screenshot? :) |
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| 03:09.04 | ParkerR | Ohh yeah that shaved a little bit off of boot time |
| 03:09.06 | ParkerR | :D |
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| 03:09.10 | ParkerR | Just a little |
| 03:09.44 | simonlnu | oh, testing |
| 03:10.05 | Mephisto | like it's hard to tell if you get any sound or not. |
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| 03:10.43 | kabars_edge | ParkerR: I've tried a few, it's been the best across the board for me |
| 03:10.57 | ParkerR | kabars_edge, And Im setting it to autologin atm |
| 03:16.13 | Mephisto | what is gnome-audio package? |
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| 03:16.44 | WormFood | it is audio files for gnome |
| 03:17.21 | Mephisto | damn.. |
| 03:17.32 | Mephisto | i can see that. WHAT KIND of files? |
| 03:17.39 | WormFood | wav |
| 03:17.48 | Mephisto | ok. Like.. for what parts? |
| 03:18.20 | WormFood | they are .wav files. They can be used for anything. |
| 03:18.25 | abrotman | Mephisto: man dpkg .. it shows you how to list the contents of a package |
| 03:18.30 | WormFood | they have names like email and question and event |
| 03:18.35 | Mephisto | alright |
| 03:18.43 | Mephisto | i just wanted to know what the difference is between that and freedesktop-sound-theme |
| 03:18.56 | WormFood | then why didn't you ask that? |
| 03:19.21 | WormFood | if they provide the same things to the system, then I'd expect it to simply be different sounds |
| 03:19.31 | Mephisto | well, i was afraid you'd say "it's yet another audio package for gnome". |
| 03:20.07 | Mephisto | i need gnome-screenshot to make this shot sound. |
| 03:20.21 | Mephisto | that's the reason i'm asking about it. |
| 03:20.28 | Mephisto | but i guess it has nothing to do with it at all. |
| 03:20.49 | WormFood | perhaps you'd get a better response if you actually asked the questions that you really want the answers to, instead of asking unrelated questions. |
| 03:21.17 | Mephisto | well, i did once and that was successfully ignored. |
| 03:21.41 | Mephisto | so that's why i decided to attract attention another way :) |
| 03:22.03 | WormFood | ignores Mephisto |
| 03:22.07 | abrotman | the packages also have descriptions |
| 03:22.17 | Mephisto | i know, i saw that. Too bad it didn't tell me much. |
| 03:22.46 | Mephisto | i mean.. common.. what could possibly the name "database files" tell you? |
| 03:22.51 | abrotman | it tells you exactly what it is? |
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| 03:23.46 | Mephisto | i could see it's audio files, i didn't know how to use them. Also, i wouldn't have asked this if i had never installed it. But i have. |
| 03:24.00 | Mephisto | and i saw no difference. |
| 03:24.06 | Mephisto | no audio files. Nope. Uh-huh. |
| 03:24.35 | abrotman | so you didn't read the description of thegnome-audio package? |
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| 03:25.03 | Mephisto | please... just nevermind. I appreciate your help. |
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| 03:25.46 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:26.35 | Mephisto | i saw that. |
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| 03:26.54 | Mephisto | i didn't know how to use them and where even to find them when they're installed. |
| 03:27.05 | Mephisto | that's why i asked all these questions. Not because i cannot read though. |
| 03:27.08 | ParkerR | How do I tell what alsa device name is assigned to a USB microphone? |
| 03:27.10 | abrotman | so you still haven't read 'man dpkg' |
| 03:27.17 | Mephisto | no, because i'm talking to you :) |
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| 03:27.20 | abrotman | it's been how many months of you coming around ? |
| 03:27.32 | ward_ | anyone ever used kvm and libvirt? |
| 03:27.33 | Mephisto | what do you care, sir? :) |
| 03:27.35 | ward_ | libvirtd wont start |
| 03:27.42 | Mephisto | why are you so attentive to me anyway? |
| 03:27.45 | ward_ | its log is empty |
| 03:28.06 | Mephisto | when i really need some help you're always silent, when it's some minor stuff you're here with your criticism |
| 03:28.08 | abrotman | why do i care? because you're asking *simple* questions that could be answered by your reading of a man page .. |
| 03:28.09 | ward_ | and on the cli it just says "faield to initialized" |
| 03:28.30 | Mephisto | abrotman, ok. May i go now and read that thing in peace? |
| 03:28.39 | abrotman | Mephisto: I generally don't answer your questions because you don't seem to care to read any documentation .. something i've pointed out to you in the past, and then you get defensive and all pissed off and run away |
| 03:29.03 | Mephisto | abrotman, when did that happen? |
| 03:29.11 | abrotman | months ago .. |
| 03:29.17 | abrotman | the last time i asked you to read docs |
| 03:29.21 | Mephisto | abrotman, i may have gotten pissed off but i never ran away. More like someone banned me. |
| 03:29.42 | abrotman | wasn't me .. |
| 03:30.00 | Mephisto | yet to be found. Though that doesn't really matter. |
| 03:30.34 | Mephisto | i had problem with you exactly. But i came using irc.debian.org. I guess i'm banned there forever, but i understand this correctly it's one and the same room linked for two servers? |
| 03:30.51 | Mephisto | if i* |
| 03:31.01 | abrotman | Mephisto: i didn't ban you from OFTC .. so please don't blame me |
| 03:31.12 | abrotman | and no, the channels are not linked |
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| 03:31.24 | Mephisto | so you mean.. the one on irc.debian.org is a separate channel?.. |
| 03:31.33 | ksx4system | Mephisto: exactly |
| 03:31.36 | Mephisto | hm. |
| 03:31.55 | Mephisto | alright. |
| 03:32.11 | ksx4system | Mephisto: use different name and/or change your IP address and ignore these morons who banned you. |
| 03:32.16 | abrotman | and there's another on efnet, another on dalnet .. |
| 03:32.26 | Mephisto | ksx4system, erm.. it's ok. |
| 03:32.31 | abrotman | ksx4system: please don't tell him to do that .. it's a network offense and he can be klined |
| 03:32.33 | Mephisto | ksx4system, there was a misunderstanding. |
| 03:32.38 | ksx4system | Mephisto: you can setup BNC for yourself too, on another IP |
| 03:33.05 | Mephisto | ksx4system, i used Tor. But after my assault they banned all Tor clients. |
| 03:33.13 | Mephisto | can be a bit proud of himself |
| 03:33.15 | Mephisto | anyways. |
| 03:33.16 | Mephisto | nevermind. |
| 03:33.22 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:33.35 | abrotman | Mephisto: oh .. that's not you . that's all of tor |
| 03:33.39 | ksx4system | Mephisto: k, I understand |
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| 03:33.48 | abrotman | Mephisto: we've had too many people abusing tor .. so it's gone |
| 03:33.50 | ward_ | bah this is driving me crazy :( |
| 03:34.05 | Hackbat | haha! got it working |
| 03:34.31 | ksx4system | abrotman: ok, so this accusation wasn't exactly correct... |
| 03:34.43 | abrotman | ksx4system: you started it, not me |
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| 03:35.54 | ksx4system | abrotman: of course that I did it... all in all moderators of *anything* that allows exchange of messages sometimes go too far with bans etc. |
| 03:36.42 | abrotman | ksx4system: most say we're far too lenient .. guess it's subjective |
| 03:36.53 | abrotman | have a nice day! |
| 03:37.09 | ksx4system | indeed it is :) have a nice day too! |
| 03:38.38 | ParkerR | Ok I have determined my USB headset is hw:1,0. When I try to use it with "-a, --record-audio=CONFIG record specified alsa devices format is device,rate,channels;device2..." it doesn't want to work. Is there another name that is assigned to the card? |
| 03:38.59 | ParkerR | And how would I tell what rate and channels to use |
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| 04:10.02 | benjr | flash player works in both iceweasel and opera, ive downloaded the newest firefox but it says i dont have flash installed, how do i make it see the plugin that the other browsers can see? |
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| 04:12.15 | kabars_edge | It's just a matter of linking the correct lib to the core dir |
| 04:12.42 | somiaj | benjr: ln the player from /usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree to a local dir firefox will see, ~/.firefox/plugin or what ever it is |
| 04:13.14 | kabars_edge | *correct dir, as somiaj said |
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| 04:19.30 | Firebolt | Anyone know how I can install sun-java6 on squeeze? |
| 04:19.46 | kabars_edge | It's in the repo |
| 04:21.42 | Firebolt | I get E: Package 'sun-java6-jre' has no installation candidate |
| 04:21.59 | kabars_edge | did you search the repo for the exact pkg name? |
| 04:22.37 | Lesterwood | guys |
| 04:22.46 | Lesterwood | let us listen to the gospel of richard stallman |
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| 04:22.58 | Firebolt | http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/sun-java6-jre < wouldn't that be the package name? |
| 04:23.16 | kabars_edge | if you added the non-free repos |
| 04:23.20 | kabars_edge | it would be |
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| 04:23.55 | Firebolt | kabars_edge, oh, right |
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| 04:31.40 | Lesterwood | /meGenkigirl is listening to miku hatsune - free software song |
| 04:31.56 | benjr | kabars_edge, do you know what the right dir is for flash plugins? |
| 04:33.26 | benjr | ive put it in /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins ~/.mozilla/plugins & ./firefox/plugins, it doesnt detect it in any of those cases |
| 04:33.50 | kabars_edge | did you do about:plugins in your browser and see where it's looking? |
| 04:35.05 | Lesterwood | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJ_wXOFQV3M |
| 04:35.43 | benjr | kabars_edge, just did that now, all it says is "No enabled plugins found" and some links to help pages which arnt any help |
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| 04:42.52 | benjr | kabars_edge, ah i solved it, it will onyl work with 32bit flash |
| 04:42.55 | kd123 | What file is the ~/.bashrc ??? |
| 04:42.58 | benjr | doesnt detect 64bit flash |
| 04:43.07 | kd123 | is it /etc/bash.bashrc? |
| 04:43.32 | kd123 | or is it /home/'user'/.bashrc ??? |
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| 04:55.09 | somiaj | benjr: get a 64bit version of firefox then? |
| 04:55.37 | somiaj | kd123: ~ is same as $HOME wich is usually /home/user |
| 04:55.51 | somiaj | kd123: /etc/bash.bashrc is a system wide rc file |
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| 04:58.24 | nutron | gpt partitions... fun? yes!!!! |
| 04:59.12 | LordDeath | http://www.debian.org/security/2012/dsa-2414 <-- is input sanitization something that can be checked by an algorithm? |
| 05:00.15 | kd123 | somiaj: ok thanks for clarifying that... I'm trying to add a library path to ~/.bashrc.... so I ran the command 'export ATISTREAMSDKROOT=/home/one/ati-stream-sdk' |
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| 05:00.47 | kd123 | I was thinking that command would add the link, but someone else told me 'export' doesn't write to any file |
| 05:01.41 | kd123 | should I just go in manual to my ~/.bashrc file and add the line 'export ATISTREAMSDKROOT=/home/one/ati-stream-sdk' at the bottom of the file |
| 05:01.48 | lstarnes | yes |
| 05:02.19 | kd123 | lstarnes: is that a "yes" to my question or LordDeath's? |
| 05:02.27 | lstarnes | yours |
| 05:02.50 | lstarnes | LordDeath: not that I know of, but algorithms can be used to sanitize input |
| 05:02.51 | kd123 | ok... I don't see any other export statements in ~/.bashrc is that normal? |
| 05:02.56 | lstarnes | kd123: yes |
| 05:03.10 | benjr | somiaj, i wasnt aware they had a 64bit version, its not on the standard list on the downloads page, could only find it on the nightly site |
| 05:03.19 | benjr | thanks for the tip |
| 05:03.23 | kd123 | ok after I add the commands, do I have to reboot to have them take effect? |
| 05:03.34 | lstarnes | no. log in again |
| 05:03.49 | kd123 | ok |
| 05:04.03 | kd123 | when I ran 'export ATISTREAMSDKROOT=/home/one/ati-stream-sdk' command did that change anything to my system? |
| 05:04.22 | lstarnes | no. it just changed that one environment variable for your session |
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| 05:04.39 | kd123 | ok I see |
| 05:04.52 | kd123 | thanks lstarnes and somiaj |
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| 05:07.50 | helpmeASAP | is debian good? |
| 05:08.04 | hankjrfan00 | yes |
| 05:08.27 | helpmeASAP | what's the difference than ubuntu |
| 05:08.28 | benjr | good is a subjective term |
| 05:08.59 | helpmeASAP | Debian is 4.4GB, Ubuntu is 700MB, so what is the excess data possess |
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| 05:09.52 | helpmeASAP | helu? |
| 05:10.02 | helpmeASAP | Why is Debian so big? |
| 05:10.14 | helpmeASAP | Is it more secure? |
| 05:10.17 | hankjrfan00 | Ubuntu is based on Debian for one thing |
| 05:10.40 | helpmeASAP | What does it offer |
| 05:10.50 | kabars_edge | pkgmgmt |
| 05:11.21 | hankjrfan00 | Debian can actually be much light than Ubuntu. Most people do not need the 4.4GB DVD iso |
| 05:11.22 | helpmeASAP | I've tried installing Debian. but it takes forever to install. and you need to check it out often because it ask for settings conf |
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| 05:11.55 | helpmeASAP | I would like to use Debian |
| 05:12.14 | helpmeASAP | but it's took a very long time to install |
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| 05:12.31 | kabars_edge | just download the business card iso |
| 05:12.32 | helpmeASAP | I stopped on the 5th hour |
| 05:12.34 | lstarnes | have you been trying to install all of the DVDs? |
| 05:12.43 | lstarnes | if so, you probably shouldn't |
| 05:13.00 | simonlnu | 5th hour? shouldn't take that long. it's an hour tops. |
| 05:13.01 | lstarnes | the netinstall and businesscard isos will install a fully functional but minimal base system |
| 05:13.15 | simonlnu | (for a newbie) |
| 05:13.18 | helpmeASAP | I used netinstall |
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| 05:13.31 | Samian | Does this make sense? "she was standing straight and smiling with her nose in the air as she watched me leave." |
| 05:13.32 | lstarnes | you can also use those installers to install additional packages, like desktop environments and other applications |
| 05:13.34 | benjr | helpmeASAP, the 4.4gb copy comes with a lot of optional packages, some of which you may choose not to install, i think |
| 05:13.39 | helpmeASAP | what's the shortest way to install Debian? |
| 05:13.44 | lstarnes | netinstall |
| 05:13.46 | simonlnu | which one, businesscard or netinstall ? |
| 05:13.55 | kabars_edge | Samian: #debian-offtopic |
| 05:14.05 | Samian | oh okay |
| 05:14.06 | Samian | woohoo |
| 05:14.07 | helpmeASAP | If I use netinstall, I wouldn't finish even after more than 4 hours |
| 05:14.10 | lstarnes | netinstall includes the entire base system and can install extra packages you need |
| 05:14.11 | Samian | I love off topic channels! |
| 05:14.18 | lstarnes | how fast is your network connection? |
| 05:14.28 | helpmeASAP | err...1MBps |
| 05:14.34 | helpmeASAP | I Gbp |
| 05:14.37 | helpmeASAP | I dunno |
| 05:15.04 | lstarnes | if it's 1MBps and not 1Mbps, then that should be good. you should make sure that you choose a good mirror though |
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| 05:15.55 | hankjrfan00 | The length of the install depends all on what packages you choose to install. I can have a fresh Debian install up in 20 minutes. |
| 05:16.18 | helpmeASAP | what the shortest way to install Debian? Because it looks kinda cool when I'm conf it during install |
| 05:16.24 | lstarnes | choosing a slow mirror can make the installation process slow even if you have a fast connection |
| 05:16.34 | benjr | i onyl have a 3Mbps connection and it took me far less then 4h |
| 05:16.37 | helpmeASAP | before I stopped when it said it needs more time |
| 05:16.53 | lstarnes | netinstall with a good, high-speed mirror is fastest |
| 05:17.06 | helpmeASAP | I dunno what your all talking |
| 05:17.48 | helpmeASAP | I installed Ubuntu with internet and all option ticked in 2 hours though |
| 05:18.00 | helpmeASAP | maybe |
| 05:18.17 | lstarnes | well the ubuntu installer includes the entire base system plus a full desktop environment and other applications |
| 05:18.18 | kabars_edge | well, Debian is a fraction of the size of Ubuntu |
| 05:18.39 | lstarnes | so it doesn't need to download as much |
| 05:18.46 | benjr | does ubuntu have a netinstall version? |
| 05:18.52 | helpmeASAP | wait, maybe ubuntu is 4 hours |
| 05:19.01 | helpmeASAP | lubuntu was the 2 hours |
| 05:19.02 | kabars_edge | not that I know of |
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| 05:19.27 | helpmeASAP | maybe it was 3 hours ubuntu |
| 05:19.34 | helpmeASAP | whatever |
| 05:19.44 | kabars_edge | helpmeASAP: use jigdo, do a netinstall |
| 05:19.57 | helpmeASAP | it won't work.... |
| 05:19.59 | benjr | waits for someone to trigger the bot because he mentioned ubuntu |
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| 05:20.18 | kabars_edge | benjr: not I |
| 05:20.22 | helpmeASAP | If I download the whole DVD, will it take a shorter time than netinstall? |
| 05:20.28 | kabars_edge | no |
| 05:20.33 | helpmeASAP | because I'm downloading the whole DV now |
| 05:20.35 | helpmeASAP | DVD |
| 05:21.06 | helpmeASAP | there goes my dream of installing debian |
| 05:21.06 | lstarnes | well it depends on what slowed down the install |
| 05:21.08 | benjr | helpmeASAP, you could download the DVd on someone else's connection, or buy a copy on disk, they dont cost a lot |
| 05:21.14 | lstarnes | if it was network bandwidth, then yes |
| 05:21.21 | lstarnes | if it's disk transfer rates, then no |
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| 05:22.12 | helpmeASAP | Linus Torvalds is using what version of Linux? |
| 05:22.23 | simonlnu | ask him |
| 05:22.32 | helpmeASAP | I think he's using Debian |
| 05:22.50 | lstarnes | He recently said something about Fedora but it is possible that he switched |
| 05:23.01 | helpmeASAP | I hate fedora! |
| 05:23.05 | helpmeASAP | Not really... |
| 05:23.06 | lstarnes | of course he's a kernel developer, not a typical user |
| 05:23.10 | benjr | i think in terms of DE's he uses xfce |
| 05:24.04 | helpmeASAP | And...about Installing DEbian.. |
| 05:24.30 | helpmeASAP | It ask for whole lot of questions while youre installing it. like every 5 or 15 minutes |
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| 05:25.12 | benjr | helpmeASAP, any of those questions in particular you were unsure on? |
| 05:25.38 | helpmeASAP | which one? |
| 05:25.51 | helpmeASAP | I'm downloading the whole DVD now.. |
| 05:26.38 | helpmeASAP | I think Linux is equal to Windows. Why is everyone using Windows? |
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| 05:27.01 | kabars_edge | it's a preference thing |
| 05:27.02 | urkonn | helpmeASAP, you don't need to download everything |
| 05:27.15 | helpmeASAP | ???????????????? |
| 05:27.41 | helpmeASAP | confusing confuser |
| 05:27.49 | kabars_edge | he's saying you only need the net install or business card install |
| 05:27.56 | benjr | i think the os war is like the browser war, all most people seem to care about is the UI |
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| 05:28.24 | helpmeASAP | Looks matter |
| 05:29.05 | benjr | to some people more then others |
| 05:29.38 | helpmeASAP | Never found any computer in store pre-installed other than Windows |
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| 05:30.12 | helpmeASAP | I only know about Linux OS half a year ago |
| 05:30.21 | helpmeASAP | Heard about Linux but dunno what it is |
| 05:30.25 | benjr | helpmeASAP, same here, ive asked the stores if theyll discount the price and not put windows on it, but they wont lol, i build my boxes anyway |
| 05:31.01 | helpmeASAP | I'm an average computer user.. |
| 05:31.10 | helpmeASAP | benjr: yup |
| 05:31.15 | urkonn | helpmeASAP, try this if you're a newbie http://people.debian.org/~rmh/goodbye-microsoft/ |
| 05:32.00 | benjr | urkonn, what is that? a self contained debian vm? |
| 05:32.46 | urkonn | noup, you can install debian from windows |
| 05:33.05 | nutron | while, yes, I can aptitude until my heart's content, why does p.d.o only show the short description of packages? or am I blind? Bandwidth saving measures? |
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| 05:40.33 | chelz | here's a question, why do operating systems go through a procedure of installing each package, rather than copying a preinstalled compressed image? |
| 05:41.15 | chelz | i get that there are flexibility issues, difficult to customize, etc. but i don't know of anything that installs like that. seems like at least one distro/OS would |
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| 05:50.01 | bogner | Is there a straightforward way to diff a modified config file with the package default? |
| 05:50.28 | Samian | I'm on osx. Is it worth switching to debian? |
| 05:51.00 | kabars_edge | OSX isn't bad, I use it |
| 05:51.21 | kabars_edge | I would prefer Debian, but it's a pain to get working on certain MacBooks |
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| 05:51.48 | kabars_edge | Like my late 2011 MacBook Pro Quad Core |
| 05:51.58 | toratek_net | just wanted to let everyone know that if you are looking for a VPS provider that loves debian, please check out http://toratek.net/vps-servers/ |
| 05:53.28 | bogner | Bah, I'll just install the package on another box and copy the config file over to diff |
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| 05:57.09 | simonlnu | toratek_net: don't spam, kthx |
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| 06:03.45 | laurus | If I create a text file in Debian, does it automatically contain the EOF character at the end? |
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| 06:04.30 | simonlnu | no |
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| 06:04.39 | laurus | simonlnu: How do I add that? |
| 06:04.41 | simonlnu | linux doesn't end files that way |
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| 06:04.52 | simonlnu | insert the control character manually |
| 06:05.28 | MRCracker | hi all, i can't watch full hd videos. it hangs and can't render video instantly |
| 06:05.55 | MRCracker | tested with many media players |
| 06:06.16 | laurus | thanks simonlnu. |
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| 06:08.35 | ff | who the hell is dpkg? i want some info about similar apps to mathlab but this dumb bot just gives me some bullshits |
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| 06:09.55 | laurus | ff: What are you trying to do? |
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| 06:10.55 | simonlnu | sighs |
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| 06:12.59 | chaospsychex | hi |
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| 06:14.51 | kabars_edge | sup? |
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| 06:17.07 | chaospsychex | chillin |
| 06:17.38 | kabars_edge | same |
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| 06:18.12 | chaospsychex | working on my wiki |
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| 06:20.01 | bambanx | sup |
| 06:20.15 | chaospsychex | hi |
| 06:20.22 | chelz | #debian-offtopic |
| 06:20.37 | kabars_edge | unless it's a debian wiki |
| 06:20.43 | kabars_edge | :P |
| 06:21.17 | chelz | :) |
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| 06:21.30 | chaospsychex | well there will be a section devoted entirely to debian, sure |
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| 06:22.00 | bambanx | exist a command on debian on console for know what service hosting have some domain? |
| 06:22.06 | bambanx | whois? |
| 06:22.50 | chelz | bambanx: nmap |
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| 06:23.11 | chelz | er |
| 06:23.29 | chelz | www.whoishostingthis.com |
| 06:23.34 | chelz | bambanx |
| 06:23.49 | bambanx | ok chelz ty |
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| 06:24.09 | bambanx | chelz using nmap what command i should use? |
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| 06:24.58 | IGotOne | pees on dpkg |
| 06:25.03 | chelz | bambanx: nmap can be used to show what services a server has. to find out hosting people generally look up info about ip blocks i think |
| 06:25.07 | IGotOne | all you are good for |
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| 06:25.16 | chelz | unless there's a better way that i don't know of |
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| 06:26.18 | bambanx | chelz you use nmap? |
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| 06:32.55 | gnarface | chelz: nmap is pretty much the de-facto standard in linux service discovery (port scanning) but if the remote system has monitoring in place they will probably know immediately when you begin to port scan them, as it is also a common precursor to attack |
| 06:33.25 | gnarface | chelz: if you have access to the server in question there are better ways to find out this information |
| 06:33.29 | chelz | gnarface: yeah that's a good thing to note. not all hosts are hapy about that |
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| 06:36.22 | gnarface | chelz: it should be noted for the record, i never got in trouble for port scanning a public server for a company i didn't work for i never did it repeatedly (there can be a performance hit) but i did once get questioned by the head of IT for portscanning the public web server of the company i was currently working for at the time |
| 06:37.25 | gnarface | chelz: so where you're scanning it *from* can be as much of a factor as what it is you're scanning |
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| 06:39.19 | simonlnu | when i use it, i use it politely, and only specify the ports. i'll do a sweep if the remote just previously a) scanned me first b) was somehow involved in trying to spam/scam here |
| 06:39.35 | simonlnu | erm, s/only// |
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| 06:41.23 | gnarface | specifying ports is really key for saving time too. stuff on your lan will portscan in seconds, remote links can vary greatly |
| 06:41.36 | simonlnu | them doing that to me first opens the door in my books |
| 06:42.03 | gnarface | i think that's a fair rule |
| 06:42.32 | simonlnu | also it's practical too. when i do a port, that's all i wanna do, find out if that one port is open. my own version of isitmeorisitdown.com (or whatever) |
| 06:42.53 | simonlnu | open i mean in the usual sense, something is listening there ;) |
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| 06:55.54 | damaru | Hi all - on xfce debian when copying a file to an external usb drive it copy the file really fast but then when I come to unmount the usb drive it takes a lot of time and most often give an error message |
| 06:56.22 | damaru | even if I try the cp command it seems to do the same - I am not sure it's a xfce problem or how debian manage usb drives |
| 06:56.23 | kabars_edge | what's the error msg? |
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| 06:56.46 | damaru | Well first it says writting data to the device |
| 06:57.06 | damaru | then it 'freezes' xfce for a little while |
| 06:57.20 | damaru | shoot I jsut missed the error message |
| 06:57.44 | alkisg | Hi, if an /etc/init.d/sysv-script says "Default-Stop: 0 6", will it be called on shutdown even if it's not "started" or if it doesn't support the "status" parameter? |
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| 06:58.12 | kabars_edge | damaru: check your log files: /var/log/syslog /var/log/dmesg |
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| 07:01.10 | simonlnu | alkisg: init 0, aka halting |
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| 07:01.49 | alkisg | simonlnu: I meant, is the "stop" action called even for scripts that are not "started"? |
| 07:02.28 | MRCracker | not any idea? |
| 07:02.42 | kabars_edge | MRCracker, about what? |
| 07:02.47 | simonlnu | yes |
| 07:03.01 | MRCracker | (09:34:34 AM) MRCracker: hi all, i can't watch full hd videos. it hangs and can't render video instantly |
| 07:03.02 | MRCracker | (09:35:00 AM) MRCracker: tested with many media players |
| 07:03.14 | joar | I seem to have lost my display drivers. |
| 07:03.15 | kabars_edge | sorry, missed that one |
| 07:03.47 | simonlnu | there's no state kept, except within the script, via pid files and such |
| 07:03.58 | nsadmin | have you ever been able to before? |
| 07:04.14 | alkisg | Thank you simonlnu |
| 07:04.18 | damaru | I get an error message Failed to unmount 'Kindle' did not receive a reply possible cases include... but there not error in the syslog or log/message |
| 07:04.26 | kabars_edge | have you checked your logs? to see if you have any hardware failures and/or kernel issues? |
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| 07:05.08 | joar | since a dist-upgrade yesterday my accelereated graphics (fglrx) have stopped working, I've tried to reinstall, but no success. |
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| 07:06.07 | MRCracker | nsadmin: no |
| 07:06.15 | nsadmin | in case you need more specific information on hardware, try ##hardware |
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| 07:06.37 | I_Died_Once | hi, i'm using debian squeeze... can someone suggest a package that'll install a whole bunch of fonts? |
| 07:06.53 | nsadmin | and, if the kernel is where you need more info, maybe #debian-kernel on oftc.net |
| 07:07.05 | I_Died_Once | looking to design some images and need and want many fonts |
| 07:07.18 | damaru | dafonts.com |
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| 07:07.29 | nsadmin | not chasing anyone away... I -am- suggesting places that might have more specific current info |
| 07:07.36 | kabars_edge | there are a number of fonts in the repository |
| 07:08.37 | MRCracker | nsadmin: i could do this in windows |
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| 07:09.33 | simonlnu | a large number of fonts |
| 07:11.47 | kabars_edge | Mr. Cracker, is your videocard working properly? 3d and all? |
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| 07:12.43 | kabars_edge | can you run glxgears? |
| 07:12.43 | MRCracker | yes, i think but not sure, i have intel graphic |
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| 07:13.06 | MRCracker | yes, i can. |
| 07:13.22 | kabars_edge | well, that means your video card is working properly |
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| 07:14.22 | kabars_edge | does it immediately start hanging, or does it take time? |
| 07:15.51 | nsadmin | MRCracker, can you predict my response to that? (hint: run what works and makes you happy) |
| 07:16.39 | MRCracker | take time, eg after 10 sec, it stops render and when i reszie window start rendering again |
| 07:17.17 | nsadmin | resize a window? |
| 07:17.30 | MRCracker | resize playing window |
| 07:17.53 | nsadmin | hmm, do you think that's an application issue? |
| 07:18.42 | kabars_edge | MRCracker, what driver are you using? Is it rolled into the kernel? or is it a separate kernel module? |
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| 07:19.11 | MRCracker | nsadmin: tested with other apps |
| 07:19.28 | MRCracker | kabars_edge: i don't khow :( |
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| 07:20.05 | kabars_edge | lsmod | grep intel |
| 07:20.14 | nsadmin | it's always the playing window? of what? |
| 07:20.47 | MRCracker | i have played Nexuiz |
| 07:21.08 | MRCracker | with low graphic |
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| 07:23.47 | kabars_edge | MrCracker: lsmod | grep intel |
| 07:23.53 | kabars_edge | I need the output |
| 07:23.59 | MRCracker | nsadmin: i can't understand, explian more please |
| 07:24.14 | kabars_edge | AND: lspci | grep intel |
| 07:24.20 | MRCracker | kabars_edge: waiting for pastebin |
| 07:24.35 | MRCracker | kvm_intel 112185 0 |
| 07:24.36 | MRCracker | kvm 225712 1 kvm_intel |
| 07:24.37 | MRCracker | snd_hda_intel 21814 2 |
| 07:24.37 | MRCracker | snd_hda_codec 58526 2 snd_hda_codec_realtek,snd_hda_intel |
| 07:24.37 | MRCracker | snd_pcm 53270 2 snd_hda_intel,snd_hda_codec |
| 07:24.37 | MRCracker | snd 38752 13 snd_hda_codec_realtek,snd_hda_intel,snd_hda_codec,snd_hwdep,snd_pcm,snd_seq,snd_timer,snd_seq_device |
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| 07:24.37 | MRCracker | snd_page_alloc 12867 2 snd_hda_intel,snd_pcm |
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| 07:25.07 | kabars_edge | poor guy |
| 07:25.23 | simonlnu | dude... |
| 07:25.43 | simonlnu | i'm amazed it let in that much |
| 07:26.05 | kabars_edge | me too |
| 07:26.21 | kabars_edge | but he just said he was waiting on pastebin, why did he paste in window? |
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| 07:27.07 | kabars_edge | will it let him back in? |
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| 07:57.22 | pleaz | !ru |
| 07:57.22 | dpkg | Это английскоговорящий канал, пожалуйста, говорите по-английски или посетите #debian-russian (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian) |
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| 08:01.35 | kabars_edge | anyway, it's past midnight here, I need to get off and hit the hay, I have to be back at work at 9am, 9 hours |
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| 08:08.23 | pleaz_ | !ËÇ |
| 08:08.24 | dpkg | ËÇ is probably Ecuador |
| 08:08.29 | pleaz_ | !ÒÕ |
| 08:08.29 | dpkg | ÒÕ is probably normally "object oriented", but lately it's come to mean "Open Office" too. If you meant the latter, ask me about <openoffice>. |
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| 08:08.57 | pleaz_ | !ru |
| 08:08.58 | dpkg | Это английскоговорящий канал, пожалуйста, говорите по-английски или посетите #debian-russian (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian) |
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| 08:10.27 | crylx | hi |
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| 08:15.22 | doda- | hi folks |
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| 08:21.37 | doda- | i'm thinking about installing debian on a netbook instead of ubuntu, how is with aptosid ?, i use archlinux on most of my machines so i like the concept of rolling packages, how is sid in regards to stability ? |
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| 08:26.59 | engla | doda-: aptosid is not debian, we don't know must about it here |
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| 08:27.55 | engla | I don't know the specifics, but sid's stability varies |
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| 08:29.35 | doda- | engla: aha, thanks |
| 08:30.15 | engla | doda-: also official discussion of sid is in #debian-next on oftc (topic) |
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| 08:31.18 | joar | I have this issue where fglrx doesn't work on wheezy since a dist-upgrade yesterday. Does anyone know where to look for the cause why fglrx isn't initiated? |
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| 08:35.48 | dmbaturin | I was updating squeeze to wheezy, however apt-get dist-upgrade failed. Is there a way back, or a way to fix issues and re-try? |
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| 08:37.03 | jelly-home | dmbaturin: for the former: reinstall. For the later: there's always a way, but not necessarily easy or simple |
| 08:37.09 | jelly-home | !tell dmbaturin about bat |
| 08:37.26 | jelly-home | !tell dmbaturin about wheezy |
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| 08:40.43 | dmbaturin | jelly-home: The stage it failed: http://pastebin.com/TpSxVrG0, what I get if I run 'apt-get -f dist-upgrade' after that: http://pastebin.com/hjh8PHBM, apt-cache policy: http://pastebin.com/gwEMidNA |
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| 08:42.29 | jelly-home | dmbaturin: find which package contains /usr/share/initramfs-tools/hooks/plymouth, remove it using dpkg for the time being. Then do an "dpkg --configure -a" and "apt-get -f install", and then continue with with the upgrade |
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| 08:43.50 | dmbaturin | jelly-home: Thanks, let me try that. |
| 08:43.53 | joar | I found this error: https://gist.github.com/c925942dad7287a2c950#L303 |
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| 08:44.44 | joar | might it be that the last dist-upgrade updated to linux 3.2, and that it is incompatible? Am I missing any package? |
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| 08:45.16 | Buller | hello |
| 08:45.39 | Buller | i have a [warn] Error from accept() call: Too many open files << problem on debian 6 , did any know how to fix |
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| 08:49.50 | _KaszpiR_ | yeah |
| 08:50.01 | _KaszpiR_ | google limits |
| 08:50.03 | _KaszpiR_ | and ulimit |
| 08:50.10 | _KaszpiR_ | see /etc/limits |
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| 08:51.00 | Buller | dont have a /etc/limits brb |
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| 08:51.33 | DotHack | anyone trying to use vgimportclone on squeeze? |
| 08:51.48 | DotHack | seems it only works when installing gawk instead of mawk........ |
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| 08:52.28 | Buller | got it /etc/security/limits.conf :D |
| 08:52.46 | sina_ | guys, I've got a git question, what does "@{1}" mean in "git diff @{1}" ? |
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| 08:55.15 | _KaszpiR_ | sorry Buller /etc/security/ |
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| 08:56.08 | Buller | http://paste.pool-x.eu/16350 |
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| 08:58.22 | Buller | did a have to restart the system ? |
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| 09:08.07 | _KaszpiR_ | usually just restarting user shell/process is enough |
| 09:08.47 | _KaszpiR_ | see ulimit for gien user |
| 09:09.28 | _KaszpiR_ | and you see you got no 'nofile' entries in limits.conf |
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| 09:09.52 | _KaszpiR_ | man limits.conf |
| 09:09.55 | Buller | wut;S |
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| 09:30.55 | Deffie | hello everyone, i'm reinstalling a package with apt-get install --reinstall to get the initial configuration file since i'm missing it but it doesnt reinstall such file, why ? |
| 09:31.41 | _KaszpiR_ | --force |
| 09:34.05 | joar | I solved my fglrx & linux 3.2 issues by installing the linux 3.2 headers, FYI |
| 09:34.20 | Buller | its still do it :( |
| 09:34.46 | jelly | !tell Deffie about confmiss |
| 09:35.43 | TsT | bye guys thanks for all |
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| 09:36.27 | mekeor | np |
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| 09:38.38 | Buller | [warn] Error from accept() call: Too many open files << runt as root |
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| 09:38.50 | _KaszpiR_ | wjhat applicatio? |
| 09:39.02 | _KaszpiR_ | *what application |
| 09:39.04 | Buller | pushpool |
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| 09:40.08 | _KaszpiR_ | fro bitcoin? |
| 09:40.15 | Buller | litecoin :D |
| 09:40.21 | Buller | but almost the same |
| 09:41.34 | _KaszpiR_ | http://stackoverflow.com/questions/880557/linux-socket-accept-too-many-open-files |
| 09:41.39 | jelly | Buller: how exactly do you start the application, from an init script? From an interactive shell? |
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| 09:42.22 | Buller | FunCoin:/home/pool/pool/pushpool# ./pushpoold -E -F in a screen |
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| 09:43.34 | colo-work | socket connections are subject to ulimits, too |
| 09:43.47 | _KaszpiR_ | i guess its socket connection problem |
| 09:43.53 | colo-work | you'll have to raise your ulimit for nofiles explicitely if you plan to exceed its defaults |
| 09:44.45 | Buller | can you help in a ssh |
| 09:45.13 | jelly | Buller: the latter, then. You can use the shell's builtin "ulimit" command to increase soft and hard limits for the number of open file descriptors, before running the command |
| 09:45.58 | jelly | Buller: eg. ulimit -a shows the current limits |
| 09:46.46 | Buller | http://pastebin.com/BDPKmFjc |
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| 09:47.50 | jelly | yay, you're able to run the command. Figuring out how to change the limits is left as an example for the reader. |
| 09:49.32 | Buller | pool@FunCoin:~$ ulimit |
| 09:49.32 | Buller | unlimited |
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| 09:49.52 | cyb99 | hi, is it recommended to run php in safemode? |
| 09:50.12 | _KaszpiR_ | open files 1024 |
| 09:50.14 | _KaszpiR_ | no wonder |
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| 09:50.25 | cyb99 | or, is php safe mode enabled by default in squeeze? |
| 09:50.34 | jelly | Buller: run "help ulimit" to get some help. |
| 09:50.50 | Stefunel | could anyone point me in a direction on how to build a deb package using scons? |
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| 09:52.29 | gnarface | cyb99: safe mode is not on by default in php in squeeze. most php programmers (admittedly, not a bright or security-minded group in general) consider safe mode something only to be used when you're considering executing user-uploaded php (something else i would never advise you do either) |
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| 09:53.09 | jacobw | i have a few questions about packaging |
| 09:53.11 | gnarface | cyb99: and even then, you have to carefully set restrictions on functions so that it does any good, but you know that, right? |
| 09:53.42 | colo-work | the safest way to run php is to replace its binary by a symlink to /bin/false |
| 09:54.09 | jacobw | i'll ask in |
| 09:54.23 | cyb99 | ok but for the security minded, is it a good idea to turn on? |
| 09:54.49 | jacobw | i'll ask in #ubuntu-server first because my target is ubuntu |
| 09:54.57 | gnarface | cyb99: sure but only if you're a pretty good sysadmin and php coder. most 3rd party php code will not run in safe mode |
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| 09:55.23 | _KaszpiR_ | colo-work hahaha |
| 09:56.54 | cyb99 | ah right |
| 09:56.55 | cyb99 | ok |
| 09:57.13 | cyb99 | do you know why php 5.3.0 safe_mode is depreciated ? |
| 09:57.26 | colo-work | probably because noone's using it anyway |
| 09:57.42 | _KaszpiR_ | because it is not the proper way to set up server |
| 09:57.52 | cyb99 | ok |
| 09:57.57 | gnarface | cyb99: no not off the top of my head, but i could speculate that its because it breaks shit and is a feature that those who understand well enough to use effectively also understand well enough to not need |
| 09:58.19 | cyb99 | k |
| 09:58.34 | colo-work | I tend to treat PHP applications like a piece of malicious software (think, a computer virus or some kind of trojan horse), because there's a fair chance that it will turn into one at some point of time in the future due to exploited weaknesses in the code and/or its runtime :) |
| 09:58.56 | maxxe | hehe [10:53] : colo-work: the safest way to run php is to replace its binary by a symlink to /bin/false |
| 09:58.59 | maxxe | =D |
| 09:59.09 | gnarface | cyb99: if you're security minded, learn about closing public ports or firewalling, and learn about filesystem permissions and user/group access. 99% of php-related server breaches are due to sql injection or someone chmodding the docroot to 777 |
| 09:59.21 | _KaszpiR_ | colo-work yeah, but i find apache mime-magic same |
| 09:59.25 | _KaszpiR_ | tkicking bomb |
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| 10:01.26 | colo-work | I prefer using mod_php (if I have to use it, that is - as stated previously, I stay away from PHP code as much as I can) in conjunction with the ITK MPM for apache. you can also create a fancy mod_fcgid setup with suexec and friends to mitigate the risks of executing php code within your webserver. |
| 10:01.51 | cyb99 | lawl |
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| 10:04.49 | gnarface | the primary problem with php is all the php coders. |
| 10:05.34 | gnarface | its hard to find HOWTOs on line that address security at all in their examples |
| 10:05.55 | gnarface | most people follow this stuff verbatim without questioning it |
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| 10:25.06 | Stefunel | could anyone point me in a direction on how to build a deb package that is using scons for compilation? |
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| 10:27.58 | scoobertron | I have an odd problem with my laptop screen. It periodically goes blank for a second before coming back up. syslog shows the following: "10:23:42 laptop kernel: [ 1487.824880] ACPI: BIOS _OSI(Linux) query ignored" and Xorg.log gives a message about a PM Event and capability change. This happens whether I am in X or in a virtual terminal. I had been running wheezy, and thought it may have been due to my last dist-upgrade. However, I have just reinstall |
| 10:29.25 | vbrummond | scoobertron: does this hinder you in any way? my laptop blinks when I restore from suspend and etc |
| 10:32.20 | scoobertron | Yep, it happens every few minutes, so it is pretty annoying. |
| 10:32.33 | vbrummond | ah so this happens during normal operating? |
| 10:32.43 | vbrummond | what gpu are you using? |
| 10:34.50 | gnarface | scoobertron: does it happen when the machine is idle? or only when you're doing something? |
| 10:35.14 | scoobertron | Onboard intel. lspci tells me it is: VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 4 Series Chipset Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 07) |
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| 10:36.38 | scoobertron | gnarface: it seems less frequent when the machine is idle, but still happens. seems to happen more when I am typing (I had 3 when typing this) |
| 10:37.05 | gnarface | hmmm |
| 10:37.23 | gnarface | touchpad interference? |
| 10:37.25 | gnarface | somehow? |
| 10:37.29 | gnarface | seems weird though |
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| 10:38.24 | scoobertron | I just rmmod'd the touchpad and it didn't seem to make a difference. |
| 10:38.46 | vbrummond | i dont think disabling kms is possible |
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| 10:38.49 | vbrummond | with intel |
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| 10:39.17 | vbrummond | try booting the kernel with i915_powersave=0? |
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| 10:40.34 | vbrummond | wait scoobertron: might be: i915.powersave=0 |
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| 10:40.40 | Otkrick | Hello, world |
| 10:40.50 | vbrummond | ello |
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| 10:42.09 | Otkrick | can you help me with basic sql query? * there are some problems on mysql channel (irc client wrote 'can't sent') |
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| 10:42.42 | Otkrick | https://raw.github.com/gist/1884086/c6b5cc1dfb3c4f8dc90a1a911df7ecfa40c7285e/none |
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| 10:44.38 | Iridos | vbrummond, \o/ for new obscure kernel options |
| 10:44.49 | scoobertron | vbrummond: cool, I will give that a go. rebooting now so back in a bit. |
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| 10:45.03 | vbrummond | not saying it will work |
| 10:45.21 | vbrummond | but it fixed blinking issues for me back in older kernels |
| 10:45.36 | disposab1e | i have installed wheezy on a machine with amd6870 gpu. i've also installed fglrx. when i play a video with 'xv' output my whole X restarts. x, gl, gl2 and others are fine. When X crashes, i see this in the logs: http://pastebin.com/L8r7gm7n (this is the result of 2 attempts). does that log tell anybody anything? |
| 10:46.56 | Almtesh | Hi everyone. |
| 10:47.04 | Almtesh | I do use debian testing. |
| 10:47.16 | vbrummond | have a cookie |
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| 10:51.58 | Iridos | disposab1e, a) note topic, b) you did check the bts? c) I you tried without fglrx and no crashes? d) I guess you can run gdb on X, probably need to install xserver-xorg-core-dbg and I guess xserver-xorg-video-ati-dbg |
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| 10:54.39 | scoobertron | Im back. It didn't improve matters (in fact, I ended up with the machine locked up and not responsing to sysreq reisub). |
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| 10:55.26 | gnarface | scoobertron: incidentally, does this machine have the latest BIOS? |
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| 10:56.42 | scoobertron | not sure. I havn't updated it, but it is only a couple of years old (asus ul30). I did wonder whether something had happened to the bios though, as it would explain why it wasn't a problem before) |
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| 11:01.18 | Brklyn | hi guys, quick question.... I'm on squeeze and for some reason I don't have: man pthread_cond_timedwait (for instance)... I've installed manpages-dev and manpages-posix, but nothing. Any hints? |
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| 11:02.38 | Brklyn | I don't have any of the pthreads stuff really... |
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| 11:04.31 | RawProduce | why does dpkg (ver 1.16.0.3) change the permissions of /tmp when running "sudo dpkg -x vim-full_7.1-138+1ubuntu3.1_all.deb /tmp" ? |
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| 11:09.07 | vbrummond | Brklyn: /usr/share/man/man3/pthread_cond_timedwait.3.gz is found in package glibc-doc |
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| 11:10.40 | scoobertron | I'm going to reflash my bios and see if that helps. brb |
| 11:11.15 | Jazo | i rehash my unreal conf but i get this error http://pastebin.com/RjjJwbHC |
| 11:11.37 | themill | RawProduce: neither that version of dpkg nor that version of vim-full are in any debian release. Perhaps you were looking for #ubuntu. |
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| 11:12.00 | Jazo | i delete what i changed in conf file but still same error |
| 11:12.16 | Almtesh | I'm using K plasmoid desktop. |
| 11:12.20 | vbrummond | Jazo: it mentions a problem on line 114 |
| 11:12.22 | Iridos | scoobertron, what's sysreq reisub |
| 11:12.22 | sanjoyd | Hi! I'm trying to install debian testing, but my installation fails after installing the base system saying 'No installable kernel was found in the defined apt soures'. |
| 11:12.29 | Almtesh | How can I use gpg in kmail? |
| 11:12.32 | sanjoyd | How do I fix this? |
| 11:12.32 | RawProduce | themill: the package is irrelevant, it's this bug - http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=502496 |
| 11:12.35 | Jazo | vbrummond yes what should i do? |
| 11:12.55 | Iridos | oh, gorn |
| 11:12.56 | vbrummond | no clue; check line 114 to see why it isnt formatted properly ;P |
| 11:13.15 | RawProduce | which was apparently fixed in 1.15.0 |
| 11:13.16 | themill | RawProduce: and you'll see that it's not a bug in any debian release... please take ubuntu support questions to #ubuntu. |
| 11:13.32 | Jazo | vbrummond ) |
| 11:13.47 | RawProduce | doesn't Ubuntu use the exact same dpkg as Debian? |
| 11:13.59 | themill | RawProduce: no. |
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| 11:14.43 | RawProduce | what's the relationship between them? Ubuntu's one is a fork? |
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| 11:15.14 | themill | RawProduce: sure. Every debian derivative monkeys with packages in ways that we can neither know about nor provide support for. |
| 11:15.20 | vbrummond | who knows how they patch it or change it |
| 11:15.27 | RawProduce | ah |
| 11:15.29 | RawProduce | I hear ya |
| 11:15.38 | RawProduce | I'll file a bug report with them, in that case |
| 11:17.39 | Kraftzwerk | what would be the easiest way to mount a virtual filesystem of a limited size (e.g. exactly that of a mp3-player you want to sync to) as normal user? (something FUSE?) |
| 11:18.32 | Brklyn | vbrummond: thanks for the tip about glibc-doc :) |
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| 11:18.48 | vbrummond | Brklyn: no problem; hopefully that worked for you ^^ |
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| 11:22.35 | Iridos | Kraftzwerk, I'm a bit at a loss why'd you want to do that... but I I think adding a tmpfs entry in fstab with the mount option "user" would do something along the lines |
| 11:22.49 | Iridos | dpkg, tell Kraftzwerk -about tmpfs |
| 11:23.22 | Iridos | and I would like your nick a lot better if the last letter was a "g" |
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| 11:25.07 | Iridos | or what do you mean with "virtual drive" |
| 11:25.55 | vbrummond | all users have permission on a fat32 filesystem I believe |
| 11:27.34 | Iridos | perhaps it was EPARSE |
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| 11:34.41 | Kraftzwerk | Iridos: I like to maintain a "local" copy of my music player on my harddrive that i can add to / remove from even if i do not have the player with me at that moment. |
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| 11:35.57 | Kraftzwerk | tmpfs would be a solution if it werent ram-only |
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| 11:36.32 | vbrummond | Kraftzwerk, do you just want a local copy of files on it or an image of the whole filesystem? |
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| 11:36.54 | vbrummond | if the former just store them in any folder, if the latter, copy it to a filesystem image using dd |
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| 11:39.22 | Iridos | I don't see what's so "virtual" about it then - and why does it have to be a separate drive ...--> what vbrummond said |
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| 11:39.45 | Kraftzwerk | a local copy would suffice if there would be a simple way to enforce the size limit of the source fs |
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| 11:41.29 | Kraftzwerk | so what you recommend is dd'ing the device to a filesystem image. what would then be the easiest way of mounting and modifying that image? |
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| 11:42.43 | vbrummond | im still confused... why |
| 11:42.49 | colo-work | Kraftzwerk, `man losetup` |
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| 11:45.06 | Iridos | vbrummond, I think he wants an error when he puts stuff on the local copy, not when the syncs to the device |
| 11:45.20 | Iridos | of course he could just as well check the size before syncing :) |
| 11:46.33 | Kraftzwerk | vbrummond: because in that way, i can update (e.g.) podcasts and audio books i want to have on that "mirrored" device without waiting for each modification to be synced to the device, so that later I can simply rsync (or similar) the (what it called "virtual") filesystem to the device in one go |
| 11:46.45 | Kraftzwerk | Iridos: correct. |
| 11:47.16 | Iridos | didn't we have a factoid that had an example for loop |
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| 11:48.08 | Kraftzwerk | but each time i update that device, i make approx. ~15 modifications, each of which may differ in size, which is pretty hard to keep track of "manually" |
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| 11:49.09 | Kraftzwerk | but losetup it is, indeed |
| 11:49.27 | Iridos | just sync with dd, write a line in fstab |
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| 11:52.11 | Iridos | something like /home/kraftzwerk/somedevice.img /home/kraftzwerk/somedevice/ vfat user,noauto 0 0 #assuming it's a fat filesystem |
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| 11:54.22 | Kraftzwerk | Iridos: thanks! |
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| 12:12.55 | amee2k | morning everyone |
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| 12:13.31 | amee2k | maybe mildly off topic, but how do i use the LD_PRELOAD trick to override library calls in a way that it also catches all sub-processes? |
| 12:13.31 | gnarface | good morning amee2k |
| 12:13.46 | gnarface | i don't know |
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| 12:14.24 | amee2k | i'm trying to intercept open() syscalls for firefox, but it uses some kind of shell script to launch the actual program |
| 12:14.31 | amee2k | and i'd prefer not to have to modify that |
| 12:15.00 | tremon | amee2k: I thought that was the default -- unless the program uses execve which resets the environment. You'd need to override execve in your preload library, I guess |
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| 12:15.49 | amee2k | hmm |
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| 12:16.47 | tremon | but I have very little experience with it either way (nor with firefox/iceweasel) |
| 12:17.16 | amee2k | is there a way to confirm which processes are included? the main process in question would run long enough so i could try all tests to be sure |
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| 12:17.58 | tremon | I'm pretty sure ps has an option that shows you a program's environment |
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| 12:18.17 | amee2k | hmm |
| 12:18.19 | amee2k | scratches head |
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| 12:20.05 | Iridos | duh |
| 12:21.38 | woshty | why is the icedove version in testing and backports so old? |
| 12:21.39 | amee2k | ooh, ps modifier "e" seems to do it |
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| 12:22.03 | amee2k | and it seems like the PRELOAD variable propagates adequately |
| 12:22.10 | amee2k | tremon: thanks! :) |
| 12:23.00 | gnarface | woshty: its not that old, it just seems that way because someone went spastic at the upstream versioning end |
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| 12:24.42 | Morgawr | hello, I'm looking for a very very very lightweight GUI for network manager (I can't pull in the whole kde or gnome package list, I'm on a very limited space). I tried using wicd (not related to network manager) but it screws up and gives me problem with authentication, so I decided to try network manager. However it seems it only has GUI for Gnome and KDE... |
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| 12:24.48 | woshty | gnarface: it seems pretty old. at least lightning aka iceowl-extension is pretty old |
| 12:25.20 | woshty | gnarface: about as old as the discontinued sunbird aka iceowl |
| 12:25.25 | themill | woshty: you might like to look at mozilla.debian.net |
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| 12:26.29 | themill | (although you won't find lightning there) |
| 12:27.40 | woshty | themill: lol. iceweasel-release i already use. thx. |
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| 12:28.50 | iluminator101 | debian wheezy screen freeze after long idle is anyone else experience this issue |
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| 12:29.00 | Morgawr | nobody can tell me about a good networkmanager lightweight GUI or a networkmanager alternative that isn't wicd? |
| 12:29.27 | themill | how many guis do we need to connect to a network? |
| 12:29.49 | jelly | about 3.50 |
| 12:30.15 | Morgawr | well, networkmanager's GUI is either GNOME or KDE which is a huge mess of dependency packages (too big for my small netbook) and wicd is giving me weird authorization problems so I as hoping to fall back on an alternative... |
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| 12:31.20 | engla | Morgawr: is it really that huge? |
| 12:31.29 | Morgawr | engla: have you seen GNOME (or KDE) dependencies? |
| 12:31.33 | Morgawr | it's around 300MB of stuff |
| 12:31.43 | Morgawr | I have barely 2GB of space for root files in this pc |
| 12:31.43 | amee2k | hrm. it appears that firefox doesn't use the standard library for syscalls. is there a method to intercept syscalls directly in a similar manner? |
| 12:31.44 | engla | for network-manager-gnome? Nah I'm sceptial |
| 12:32.02 | Morgawr | engla: network-manager-gnome needs all those gnome libraries I don't require |
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| 12:32.46 | engla | libgnome-bluetooth8 and gnome-icon-theme are annoying, I can understand that |
| 12:33.07 | engla | also gconf |
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| 12:33.21 | Morgawr | I am ideally looking at something that goes for less than 5MB (20MB is my max I'd say) for this |
| 12:33.22 | engla | but gtk/glib sneaks in anyway with anything |
| 12:33.31 | themill | "aptitude -s -R install network-manager-gnome" is about 40MB unpacked |
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| 12:33.59 | themill | Morgawr: looks like you'll be editing /etc/network/interfaces then. |
| 12:34.00 | trifler_ | If I want to run something in 'batch' do i use Ctrl+d or Ctrl+c to get out once I iniated my command? |
| 12:34.10 | Morgawr | themill: mmm.. that's a tad too big for my tastes :( I might see if there are other alternatives (I will try getting wicd to work correctly) and if nothing else works I will use that, thanks |
| 12:34.34 | themill | (wicd is the same size as that) |
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| 12:34.41 | engla | trifler_: Ctrl+C to interrupt, Ctrl+Z to suspend.. just append & to the commandline to run it in the background |
| 12:34.42 | Morgawr | themill: is it? |
| 12:35.21 | engla | Morgawr: a shame network-managers cli tools are hard to use |
| 12:35.37 | tremon | trifler_: ^D is the end-of-file marker. You only use it if your program is waiting for user input |
| 12:35.49 | Morgawr | themill: wicd shows up 14.4MB for me.. |
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| 12:35.58 | Morgawr | engla: yeah... |
| 12:36.15 | engla | Morgawr: you could learn them (hopefully they are capable) and come back to teach me :) |
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| 12:36.36 | Morgawr | engla: I know how to use wpa_supplicant and wpa_passhprase, it's not hard... it's what I use at home with my home network |
| 12:36.50 | Morgawr | but at university we don't have the standard WPA2 passphrase security |
| 12:36.57 | Kraftzwerk | Morgawr: which kind of network is causing trouble with wicd? |
| 12:36.57 | Morgawr | we need to input our username and password |
| 12:37.03 | Morgawr | and I'd rather not have those in a script file in plaintext |
| 12:37.23 | Morgawr | Kraftzwerk: weird enough, pretty much all the networks with security (WPA/WPA2/WEP/whatever) always say "bad password" |
| 12:37.36 | Morgawr | and I'm 100% sure the password and settings for that specific wifi are correct |
| 12:37.42 | Morgawr | (I use the same in wpa_supplicant and they work) |
| 12:37.58 | trifler_ | tremon, engla: Excuse me for beeing daft but I first run command 'batch' once the new promt been given I enter my command. How do I get out from 'batch-mode'. If I don't add a & at the end of my command. |
| 12:38.38 | engla | trifler_: suspend the command with Ctrl+Z then type "bg" to let it continue in the background. Is this what you mean? |
| 12:39.17 | Kraftzwerk | Morgawr: I had the same problem when using wicd to connect to my university's wifi. fiddling around with the encryption settings (esp. changing the usage / order of TKIP and CCMP) did work for me |
| 12:39.20 | trifler_ | engla: No (?) im talking about using batch/at |
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| 12:40.09 | engla | trifler_: I'm sorry my misunderstanding :-| |
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| 12:40.14 | Morgawr | Kraftzwerk: the problem is that it happens for pretty much every wireless |
| 12:40.28 | Morgawr | Kraftzwerk: do you know where I could start fiddling about this? if there's a guide or something to solve this problem? |
| 12:40.59 | anigma | If I were to use system accounts instead of virtual users with pure-ftpd, would I just need to add the system account and pure-ftpd would automatically know the users password and home dir? Or would I need to add him to pure-ftpd? |
| 12:41.54 | CruX| | anigma: no |
| 12:42.13 | tremon | trifler_: batch is waiting for input, so ^D |
| 12:42.14 | CruX| | anigma: system users are automaticaly in pureftpd |
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| 12:43.18 | anigma | CruX|: so there is really no need to create a ftp user to add system accounts? unless I want virtual users? right? |
| 12:43.20 | Kraftzwerk | Morgawr: you can try copying one of the existing encryption templates in /etc/wicd/encryption/templates and editing it according to your needs (hint: each template's name has to be appended to /etc/wicd/encryption/templates/active) |
| 12:44.08 | Morgawr | Kraftzwerk: thanks, I will give it a go |
| 12:45.29 | anigma | how do I check what a package depends on? |
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| 12:47.24 | woshty | themill: i am trying to install the latest version of ice* now. but i cant seem to get libnotify1 or hunspell in the proper version installed. in the shell it says no candidates but in aptitude gui it lists both as unsatisfied, not unavailable. any ideas? i had that behaviour with iceweasel a few times now. at some point it just works. |
| 12:47.44 | engla | anigma: apt-cache show packagename shows full package info |
| 12:47.53 | Kraftzwerk | and, Morgawr: don't get discouraged. actually i got a lot of authentication errors because my wireless drivers were buggy. (2 cases) currently, i have reload the corresponding module from time to time, because wicd absolutely randomly reports "wrong password" |
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| 12:48.56 | Morgawr | Kraftzwerk: heh, it's just that it bothers me because I'm pretty sure it's a stupid bug or something I forgot and I can't figure out |
| 12:49.09 | Morgawr | wicd has always worked on this same pc too (then I re-formatted and reinstalled everyhing) |
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| 12:51.09 | Morgawr | how do I make sure a package is completely purged from my system? |
| 12:51.45 | krion | dpkg -l|grep package |
| 12:51.45 | dpkg | krion: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 12:52.02 | krion | dpkg: same size i guess. |
| 12:52.02 | dpkg | krion: i haven't a clue |
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| 13:03.03 | anigma | are you able to choose shell when using "adduser"? |
| 13:03.32 | tremon | yes |
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| 13:25.06 | emss | anigma man adduser |
| 13:25.22 | emss | you can also modify /etc/passwd manually |
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| 13:45.42 | anigma | what should I use to deny shell access to a user? could I change his shell to /dev/null? |
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| 13:48.55 | engla | anigma: as you can already see in passwd, shell-less accounts use /bin/false |
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| 13:51.16 | skilz_ | How do I check what filesystem I partitioned |
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| 13:51.25 | skilz_ | df -h does not show ext ect |
| 13:53.08 | earthnative | skilz_: if you want to know what filesystem type is set in the partition table, you'll want one of the fdisk family of tools (fdisk, cfdisk, gdisk, etc) |
| 13:53.09 | tremon | df -T |
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| 13:53.37 | earthnative | if you want what the partitions are *formatted* to, that's different |
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| 13:53.57 | earthnative | formatted *AND* mounted... what tremon said (I always forget -T :) |
| 13:54.29 | tremon | yes, for non-mounted... file -s /dev/blkdev |
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| 13:57.51 | engla | blkid too |
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| 14:00.36 | tremon | ah yes, blkid is even better |
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| 14:06.06 | autoditac | hi everybody! |
| 14:06.22 | autoditac | i am struggling to recover an ext3 filesystem on an md raid5 device (created under etch, the os is bnow on squeeze) where subsequently 2 out of three drives failed. |
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| 14:06.59 | autoditac | luckily the drives did not fail physically: they've lost the connection to the sata controller, presumably due to an error of the controllers driver. |
| 14:07.12 | autoditac | the md metadata superblocks got corrupted during the process so i recreated the array with the last known to work array-layout using --asume-clean . |
| 14:07.34 | autoditac | mount didn't find any filesystem superblock so i took an image backup of two of the drives, reassembled the array again with the two + one missing drive, initiated an "fcks.ext3 -y /dev/md0" and crossed fingers. |
| 14:07.52 | autoditac | fsck is running for 4 hours now (1TB Array), is in its 3d iteration and finds an unbelievable amount of multiply claimed blocks . any hint for a source or tool to debug that problem? |
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| 14:10.55 | Iridos | hm, not really... i just hope you have backups |
| 14:11.46 | tremon | autoditac: depends on how the array failed. If the md metadata got corrupted, that suggests that the controller did not just fail but might have been corrupting commands or data on its way out |
| 14:12.36 | tremon | I feel your pain, but using assume-clean on an array in an unknown state is very dangerous for the data |
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| 14:13.06 | tremon | I'd focus on recontructing the array without assume-clean before fsck'ing |
| 14:13.07 | autoditac | tremon, that is what i supposed, too. but following the logs the md driver never tried to reassemble the array folllowing the second drive disapperaing |
| 14:13.59 | tremon | no it can't... two drives missing from raid5 means the array is already lost... but that failure should not have corrupted the md metadata |
| 14:14.10 | autoditac | tremon, from my undersatnding of the docs, --asume-clean does nothing to the data but only overwrites the md metada superblock. |
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| 14:15.00 | tremon | yes, it does nothing to the data in itself. But it also doesn't run a consistency check on said data, which might explain your many fsck errors |
| 14:15.01 | autoditac | tremon, all of the drives had differnet opinions of what the array looked like. |
| 14:15.13 | earthnative | has recovered raid5 from two drives out. but I was lucky in that the drives failed simultaneously (pretty sure when one went, the controller pulled another with it), and they were only out by a few events compared to the other drives in the array. I forced it and have been lucky |
| 14:15.54 | tremon | autoditac: you have images of all three drives, or did one fail completely? |
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| 14:16.47 | wallee | hi all |
| 14:16.51 | autoditac | i have image of the last to drives standing and haven't touched the first one that failed. the two drives have overwritten metadata superblocks. |
| 14:17.00 | autoditac | s/to/two |
| 14:17.05 | tremon | is wondering how an assumed-clean reconstructed array knows which data is parity and which is real |
| 14:17.53 | autoditac | my wild guess was: when the second drive failed, the array was in a state where no data get's written to the last device. |
| 14:17.56 | earthnative | autoditac: it may be worth asking in #linux-raid too (it's a pretty quiet channel - the sort of place where you ask, then prepare to idle for a few hours... ;) |
| 14:18.09 | colo-work | stay the fuck away from your array |
| 14:18.09 | tremon | autoditac: I'd try imaging the first drive too, and using that md map (the oldest) to reconstruct the array |
| 14:18.17 | colo-work | and ask your questions on the linux-raid mailing list |
| 14:18.29 | colo-work | Stan H. or someone else will know what to do |
| 14:18.37 | tremon | also -- don't work on the real drives, only work from the images |
| 14:18.52 | autoditac | tremon: too late |
| 14:19.17 | autoditac | but those are images - what is the difference? |
| 14:19.19 | tremon | in that case, don't ever touch your backup images :) |
| 14:19.26 | autoditac | all right, sir! |
| 14:19.29 | autoditac | :) |
| 14:19.51 | tremon | other than that, -> #linux-raid |
| 14:20.44 | tremon | (usually, the real drives are physically unreliable and rebuilding/resyncing stresses them more than they might be able to handle) |
| 14:21.02 | tremon | (that might not apply here because it's the controller, not the drive that failed) |
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| 14:22.55 | acu | I have Xwindow frozen in one Squeeze AMD machine - however the virtual machines in that host work fine - so GNOME is frozen (logged in as user) - however I can access the machine through ssh - how can I force a logout of that user (so I unlock the GNOME ?) |
| 14:23.10 | Synthead | How do I create a bootable usb installer that I can customize? I tried http://www.wallix.org/2011/11/02/automatic-installation-of-debian-squeeze-from-a-usb-flash-drive/, but the installer can't find the iso image. I attempted to mount my usb device (where the image and installer is located) on the shell as a test and it said that the device is busy. |
| 14:23.41 | autoditac | tremon, thanks for the hints! |
| 14:23.55 | acu | !bootable usb |
| 14:23.58 | acu | !boot |
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| 14:25.10 | Synthead | acu: I've read the degian.org instructions, but I'd really like to have ext[2-4]. geub, and an iso file on the fs if possible. I'm sure what I'm trying to do isn't unique. |
| 14:25.24 | Synthead | grub* |
| 14:25.53 | tremon | autoditac, best of luck |
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| 14:26.02 | Iridos | Synthead, the installer is quite picky about the iso image name |
| 14:26.20 | Iridos | dpkg, usb install |
| 14:26.20 | dpkg | You can install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key on x86 systems, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s03 and ask me about <install debian> for hybrid CD/DVD images. https://launchpad.net/win32-image-writer/+download to prepare from Windows. BIOS can't boot from USB? Use http://www.plop.at/en/bootmanager.html |
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| 14:26.40 | Iridos | hm, doesn't say which image |
| 14:26.41 | Synthead | Iridos: it's called 'debian-6.0.4-amd64-CD-1.iso' |
| 14:26.49 | Iridos | Synthead, I think it has to be the netinstall image |
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| 14:27.42 | Synthead | Iridos: no way to work off just cd1? I'd be controlling the packages on the server by my own private mirror and puppet, so I want to start out with a consistent environment |
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| 14:28.06 | CruX| | does anyone have apt commands which downloads all required libraries for debian needed for vlc compilation ? |
| 14:28.17 | Iridos | Synthead, I wish I had rewritten those instructions when I played around with usb installs... but I didn't even know where one'd submit that and didn't take notes |
| 14:28.19 | gnarface | can anyone tell me with lsyncd does the source always have to be a local path syncing to a remote rsyncd or can you do it in reverse, so the remote rsyncd's changes get pulled to the machine running lsyncd? |
| 14:28.38 | DammitJim | CruX|, I haven't seen such a thing... can't you just install vlc through apt? |
| 14:28.47 | gnarface | CruX|: apt-get build-deps vlc? |
| 14:28.49 | tremon | Synthead: no reason why you can't do that with netinst, just use your own system as repository mirror |
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| 14:29.11 | Iridos | heck, how can I force http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s03 to be english |
| 14:29.13 | Synthead | tremon: that's a fantastic idea! whoaaaa |
| 14:29.30 | Synthead | tremon: I can put the mirror in a preseed, damn! |
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| 14:29.37 | acu | Crux| just do aptitude install vlc ? why would you need to compile it ? is already packaged |
| 14:29.53 | Synthead | tremon, Iridos: going to try copying a netinstall image to my flash drive now |
| 14:30.09 | CruX| | acu: DammitJim I just want to test vlc 2.0 without upgrading to unstable/testing |
| 14:30.16 | babilen | All <netinst>, <businesscard>, <cd1> and dvd1 images are <hybrid images> fwiw and can be written directly to a USB block device (as per <usb install>) |
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| 14:32.18 | mivulf | what's the differenses between debian and ubuntu? |
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| 14:32.45 | tremon | Synthead: iirc, the netinst also downloads part of the installer from the net, you might need to provide for that in your local mirror |
| 14:32.51 | Synthead | Iridos: this looks fine, right? kernel /vmlinuz iso-scan/filename=/debian-6.0.4-amd64-netinst.iso priority=critical |
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| 14:33.43 | Iridos | Synthead, actiaööy tje documentation says you can use businesscard netinst or "complete cd image" but if it's not found it's because the filename of the iso is not what the installer looks for |
| 14:34.29 | Iridos | Synthead, huh? as I remember, you just boot and it searches automatically |
| 14:34.51 | engla | Iridos: hand position shift cipher detected |
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| 14:35.09 | acu | Any advise for me ? I can log into a system through ssh - but the local GNOME GUI is frozen - is any way I can force a logout? I can't see what process I need to kill (I wanted to open an .svg file with Inkscape and the whole screen froze) and I do not want to reboot the machine |
| 14:35.32 | colo-work | acu, just killing the X server should do |
| 14:35.36 | tremon | acu: restart your display manager (e.g. service gdm3 restart) |
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| 14:35.41 | colo-work | or try shooting down the suspect X clients first |
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| 14:36.28 | Iridos | engla, :D |
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| 14:36.40 | crylx | does anybody know of a tutorial on setting up an openldap server and have it talk to windows AD? |
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| 14:37.48 | Nunus | http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/5689 ? |
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| 14:39.06 | crylx | Nunus: i found this one already. it's far too extended imo, and it's not debian specific aswell |
| 14:39.11 | crylx | but thanks |
| 14:41.22 | tremon | hmm... anyone know which route a package takes through the NEW queue? Kibi says he's submitted weston to experimental and I'm impatient... |
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| 14:43.35 | bigterd | latest 6.0.4 screen comes up, go to install, grpahical or not, i get nasty colors tearing down the screen and it hangs... |
| 14:43.45 | bigterd | tried both cd and usb boot, same result. |
| 14:43.55 | bigterd | downloaded cd twice just to be certian, md5's match |
| 14:44.26 | tremon | bigterd: which cd and which gpu? |
| 14:44.38 | bigterd | disc 1 |
| 14:44.43 | bigterd | ah, some onboard stuff... |
| 14:44.45 | bigterd | shrugs |
| 14:44.49 | bigterd | intel board |
| 14:44.58 | colo-work | quite old or new-ish? |
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| 14:45.21 | bigterd | p4 |
| 14:45.30 | colo-work | so i8xx probably. yuck. |
| 14:45.38 | tremon | you might try adding i915.modeset=0, but if it's new that won't help |
| 14:45.45 | tremon | nevermind :) |
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| 14:46.31 | colo-work | i915 DRM doesn't have anything to do with i8xx IGPs, unfortunately |
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| 14:47.03 | illovae | hello |
| 14:47.08 | PsynoKhi0 | xforcevesa ? |
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| 14:47.22 | tremon | bigterd: have you tried setting noacpi and noapic? |
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| 14:47.40 | bigterd | for kernel boot options? |
| 14:47.41 | wolfric | i'm getting ERROR: cannot verify github.com's certificate for wget for basically any domain that uses ssl but apt-get seems to work properly. i've updated/upgraded |
| 14:47.50 | tremon | yes they're kernel options |
| 14:47.54 | bigterd | lemme try quick |
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| 14:48.16 | wolfric | is there a page for default cas and could be missing? |
| 14:48.21 | tremon | xforcevesa might help too, that's for the installer... |
| 14:48.29 | wolfric | s/package/page/ |
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| 14:48.52 | tremon | wolfric: package ca-certificates |
| 14:49.05 | wolfric | tremon: should this not be installed by default though? |
| 14:49.09 | illovae | is there a good way to load a custom keymap please? I don't want to replace /etc/console/boottime.kmap.gz by my own in case it may be crushed by an update |
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| 14:49.19 | wolfric | tremon: or is there another one that debian relies upon? |
| 14:49.35 | tremon | wolfric: but the default is to enable all certificates -- it should be in most installs already |
| 14:49.49 | tremon | I know of no other packages for system-wide certificates |
| 14:50.29 | bigterd | same thing, a couple inches at the top of hashed green text, i can barely make out 'press space to continue' but it does nothing and the pendrive stops flashing... |
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| 14:51.17 | bigterd | i suppose i could try this in another box with a cd disc and just get it installed, then move to the better box |
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| 14:51.27 | bigterd | unless booting after installed is going to give me the same result... |
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| 14:51.40 | illovae | I can too rewrite /etc/init.d/keymap.sh but i will have the same problem in case of an update/upgrade |
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| 14:52.19 | Deffie | how can i batch create users using posix schema in ldap ? |
| 14:53.27 | tremon | Deffie: by creating an ldif file. Easiest would be to export one of your current users (with ldapsearch) and use it as a template |
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| 14:54.37 | bigterd | it's a mid p4, 2.4ghz, cheap dell mobo, onboard video, and where they skimped to even solder the agp slot |
| 14:54.40 | tremon | bigterd: not sure, I haven't heard of such an issue. I still have a pentium d which works fine |
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| 14:55.07 | Deffie | tremon: is there any script like adduser/deluser which works on the directory ? |
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| 14:55.49 | Deffie | tremon: just to avoid manual errors, ie uid gid consistency, incrementation and md5 generation |
| 14:56.04 | asno | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:56.16 | tremon | Deffie: not that I know of, but there are (graphical) management tools for ldap |
| 14:56.43 | Deffie | tremon: I'm using apacheDS but it is not very helpful in this sense |
| 14:57.54 | Deffie | tremon: i'm pretty new to LDAP i were thinking that it exists for big userlands so I thought that there was something to manage users |
| 14:57.56 | tremon | I know. So far I've been using sed and awk but my uid/gid needs are very limited |
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| 14:59.37 | Deffie | tremon: maybe i need to create a custom perl/tcl script i'm willing to auth many things on ldap, like shares, wifi access, mail, vpn |
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| 15:01.02 | tremon | that seem to be the preferred way, yes |
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| 15:03.50 | nsadmin | in tcl? interesting |
| 15:04.30 | Deffie | nsadmin: just because i know it better than perl |
| 15:04.46 | nsadmin | do you use aolserver or openacs? |
| 15:05.07 | Deffie | nsadmin: http://wiki.tcl.tk/1827 |
| 15:05.12 | Deffie | nsadmin: slapd |
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| 15:06.23 | nsadmin | are you the slapd author? |
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| 15:06.32 | Deffie | nsadmin: lol no |
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| 15:06.46 | Deffie | nsadmin: neither i know aolserver or openacs |
| 15:07.18 | nsadmin | oh, briefly, if you know tcl and do web apps, you might take a look |
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| 15:08.38 | Deffie | nsadmin: oh no i'm just using tcl for system administration task that cannot be done in bash (ok throw rocks at me bash-ers) |
| 15:09.11 | Deffie | nsadmin: in the same way someone else uses perl for such things |
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| 15:10.08 | nsadmin | I did a tiny thing in ruby, just because I wanted to learn it |
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| 15:10.44 | nsadmin | a menu that brings up and takes down ipmasq and eth1 |
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| 15:11.24 | Deffie | nsadmin: one time i did a tiny thing in ocaml for the same reason, i'm no more the same person |
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| 15:12.42 | Deffie | nsadmin: it was a pop-before-smtp daemon which was parsing imap/pop logfiles and adding succesfully connecting clients to a sql database read by postfix |
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| 15:13.16 | Deffie | nsadmin: then smtp auth saved our lives |
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| 15:15.23 | Deffie | </nostalgic_moment> |
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| 15:19.21 | gnarface | this is probably a dumb question but, squeeze still requires a reboot after every update to the running linux-image package, right? |
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| 15:20.43 | nkuttler | gnarface: well, obviously it's highly recommended |
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| 15:21.26 | Deffie | gnarface: ever os will require a reboot if you change its kernel and you want to make it the running one |
| 15:21.47 | gnarface | nkuttler, Deffie what about this relocatable kernel stuff? i heard there was a way to actually avoid this |
| 15:21.49 | babilen | whispers ksplice |
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| 15:22.39 | jhutchins_wk | Deffie: Actually, there are ways to patch the running kernel in RAM, they're just not much implemented. |
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| 15:33.27 | kak | hello, where can I find how to configure /etc/networks/interfaces for Wifi? |
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| 15:34.38 | nkuttler | kak: man iwconfig iirc |
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| 15:35.19 | kak | nkuttler: oh, it has iwconfig-ish syntax? which means I can't use WPA2? :\ |
| 15:35.55 | nkuttler | kak: no idea, i use network-manager nowadays |
| 15:36.08 | mullein | kak, i don't have the config in front of me, but i set up wifi with wpa2 using ifconfig, iwconfig, and wpa_supplicant |
| 15:36.31 | kak | nkuttler: it's for a cli server of mine ;) |
| 15:36.45 | mullein | and wpa_supplicant was the component that got the wifi device to use wpa2 |
| 15:36.54 | kak | mullein: I can do it aswell with wpa_supplicant but I towndered if there's any better way |
| 15:36.54 | nkuttler | kak: well nm has a cli interface, but yeah, wpa_supplicant |
| 15:37.13 | kak | s/towndered/wondered |
| 15:37.48 | nkuttler | http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse |
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| 15:41.54 | Monotoko | hey guys... does anybody know how I can allow a user to run a "import.sh" using lshell? |
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| 15:42.09 | Monotoko | can't seem to figure it out and just need some guidence |
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| 15:42.34 | valdyn | !shebank |
| 15:42.37 | valdyn | !shebang |
| 15:42.38 | dpkg | rumour has it, shebang is the "hash-bang" (#!) line at the start of a script that instructs the kernel which interpreter to use. Examples: "#!/bin/sh", "#!/usr/bin/perl -w". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shebang_(Unix) |
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| 15:42.41 | valdyn | Monotoko: ^^ |
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| 15:43.20 | Monotoko | valdyn, lshell won't let the user run the file |
| 15:43.36 | Monotoko | I assume I would have to give the user access to the "sh" or "bash" command |
| 15:43.48 | Monotoko | which I really didn't want to do |
| 15:45.16 | Iridos | actually you asked that in a quite different way about 15 hours ago and I answered you |
| 15:45.46 | rhenani | Hi, I have a question, I ust compiled mozilla firefox version 10.0.1, in debian squeeze 6.0.4 and wonder if after it's done I can delete the folder it leaves which uses 2.0GB memory, that is too much |
| 15:46.00 | Monotoko | Iridos, I tried to use the authoritzed_keys file... but it didn't seem to work |
| 15:46.08 | valdyn | rhenani: why are you not using debian 10.x iceweasel? |
| 15:46.19 | jelly | rhenani: but... 10.0.2 is out! |
| 15:46.24 | valdyn | !tell rhenani -about mdn |
| 15:46.26 | gnarface | rhenani: yes |
| 15:46.27 | rhenani | and if Do it it will keep working properly? |
| 15:46.38 | babilen | rhenani: You are aware that you can install IW 10.? from http://mentors.debian.net, aren't you? |
| 15:46.46 | rhenani | jelly: Thanks I'll look it out! |
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| 15:49.21 | Iridos | Monotoko, that wasn't what I said... I suggested you make the script their login-shell - which means you need to put it in the list of allowed shells in /etc/shells |
| 15:49.57 | rhenani | babilen: I'll check it out too |
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| 15:50.21 | Iridos | Monotoko, of course, that lives and dies with their ability to break out of the script and hence the script itself... but I guess it will do that _anyway_ as you intend them to run it |
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| 15:50.34 | chrisw_ | hi all, on an ext3 filesystem, what's the maximum number of files or folder I should put in one folder? |
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| 15:50.47 | Monotoko | Iridos, apparently they need a few scripts to run when they want them to.. so I was going for a more generic approach |
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| 15:51.16 | Monotoko | (I wasn't aware of that myself yesterday) |
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| 15:51.21 | Iridos | Monotoko, well, you can't let them run a shell-script without the shell needed to run it |
| 15:51.54 | Monotoko | hmm... true |
| 15:52.08 | Iridos | you're just asking the impossible there |
| 15:52.36 | rhenani | gnarface: same thing with other softwares I have for example vlc.. etc? |
| 15:52.49 | valdyn | chrisw_: I dont think theres a practical limit |
| 15:53.20 | valdyn | chrisw_: how many do you need? trillions? |
| 15:53.51 | Iridos | Monotoko, I don't really see the problem, though... it depends how lshell handles that, but I guess a script would be able to run arbitrary stuff, only the user wouldn't as long as he uses lshell? |
| 15:53.57 | gnarface | rhenani: probably |
| 15:54.08 | Iridos | Monotoko, anyway, bear in mind that this is a bit like carrying water in a sieve |
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| 15:54.28 | chrisw_ | I've got about 40 million folders that I need to create, each of which will have about 20 smallish files in them |
| 15:54.47 | gnarface | rhenani: there are vlc packages already in debian too though. you really don't need to build any of this yourself. |
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| 15:55.06 | Iridos | Monotoko, only works if you manage to plug all holes :D |
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| 15:55.55 | rhenani | gnarface: Ok I'll keep it on mind and search some information about it |
| 15:56.01 | chrisw_ | (that 40 million is a real number, not just made up) |
| 15:56.28 | valdyn | chrisw_: 40 million is not a problem execept when running ls |
| 15:56.29 | Iridos | chrisw_, there's a limit of inodes on a given filesystem |
| 15:56.48 | chrisw_ | valdyn: well, ls isn't such an issue |
| 15:56.54 | Iridos | chrisw_, ls will sort entries in a directory which might take quite some time |
| 15:56.57 | rhenani | gnarface: But Mozilla's folder it's too much I mean firefox should use only like 30 MB and it's afther building that it gets that way |
| 15:57.16 | chrisw_ | I'll be looking to cd into the dir, I guess with filename completion, so, maybe cluster them in 1000s? |
| 15:57.41 | chrisw_ | Iridos: it's a 1TB drive, data comes to about 10GB |
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| 15:58.02 | chrisw_ | any ideas how I can jump up the number of inodes? |
| 15:58.08 | Iridos | chrisw_, each file/directory needs one inode. I wasn't talking about amount of data |
| 15:58.18 | chrisw_ | (assuming I hit that limit, where can I find out what the limit is?) |
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| 15:59.11 | valdyn | chrisw_: run "df -i" |
| 15:59.12 | Iridos | chrisw_, there's probably an option to mkfs.yourChoiceOfFS |
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| 15:59.45 | Iridos | for ext4 [ -N number-of-inodes ] |
| 15:59.45 | valdyn | chrisw_: most filesystems dont have a limited number of inodes, just ext* does |
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| 16:00.12 | Iridos | valdyn, ah, nice. |
| 16:00.44 | valdyn | Iridos: and some fs are worse, like btrfs limiting hardlinks making it useless for certain applications |
| 16:00.51 | chrisw_ | valdyn: 61 million |
| 16:01.04 | chrisw_ | I guess I should be okay, but if I need to up that, how would I do it... |
| 16:01.17 | chrisw_ | do I have to reformat? :-S |
| 16:01.19 | Iridos | valdyn, actually xfs seems to limit the amount of space inodes may take up |
| 16:01.30 | valdyn | chrisw_: you defenitely cant do that on ext <= 3 |
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| 16:01.39 | chrisw_ | well boo :-( |
| 16:01.55 | Iridos | maxpct=value This specifies the maximum percentage of space in the filesystem that can be allocated to inodes. The default value is 25% for filesystems under 1TB, 5% for filesystems under 50TB and 1% for filesystems over 50TB. |
| 16:01.56 | valdyn | chrisw_: its not a problem to create an fs with 100 trillion inodes |
| 16:02.15 | chrisw_ | it is when I don't really want to reformat the drive ;-) |
| 16:02.27 | chrisw_ | that said, if I have to, any way I can resize an existing partition? |
| 16:02.41 | valdyn | chrisw_: resize2fs |
| 16:03.18 | chrisw_ | cool, and then use mkfs.ext(whatver) to create a new one? |
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| 16:03.25 | chrisw_ | how do I specify the number of inodes I want? |
| 16:03.33 | Iridos | see above |
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| 16:04.09 | chrisw_ | *nods* |
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| 16:04.46 | Iridos | hm, my / seems to have ~700 million inodes |
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| 16:05.38 | Iridos | oh, of course... it's xfs and has 754G and allows inodes to use 1% of the total size |
| 16:05.39 | chrisw_ | I wish that were the case for me |
| 16:05.45 | chrisw_ | ah |
| 16:05.46 | chrisw_ | heh |
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| 16:05.57 | chrisw_ | well, I'll try creating just one level of folder |
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| 16:06.06 | chrisw_ | and make sure I don't use ls, or tab completion ;-) |
| 16:06.27 | Iridos | oh, you can |
| 16:06.30 | Iridos | just bring some time :D |
| 16:06.45 | valdyn | ls * can make you oom |
| 16:07.05 | chrisw_ | heh |
| 16:07.20 | chrisw_ | as it turns out, only 31 million folders for this one... |
| 16:07.25 | valdyn | ( not really yet on a normal system with "only" 40 million files.. |
| 16:08.36 | chrisw_ | ? |
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| 16:09.36 | Almtesh | Hi! |
| 16:09.40 | valdyn | chrisw_: you need alot more than 40 million files to use up your ram on a modern system with >1G ram |
| 16:09.50 | Almtesh | Is anyone knows how to use gpg on kmail? |
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| 16:11.02 | Almtesh | Or just sign mails with S/MIME. |
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| 16:12.59 | babilen | Almtesh: Should be in your account settings -- If not, ask #kde |
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| 16:15.59 | Almtesh | babilen, actually, I can configure it, but not use it. |
| 16:16.12 | Almtesh | babilen, I'll check out on #kde. |
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| 16:21.48 | Almtesh | babilen, they are totally asleep in #kde. |
| 16:21.56 | Almtesh | Nearly dead. |
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| 16:26.01 | ward_ | how can i get teh same old gnome i've been using since i got to know linux? |
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| 16:26.18 | ward_ | i'm using wheezy and im greeted by some gnome3 piece of crap fallback desktop |
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| 16:26.52 | gnarface | #1 gnome support question: how to uninstall gnome? |
| 16:27.50 | babilen | ward_: I've just discussed this ad nauseam in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net -- You can not. I would recommend to take a look at some of the extensions at https://extensions.gnome.org/ or use an alternative desktop environment or window manager. |
| 16:27.55 | wallee | gnarface: apt-get remove gnome |
| 16:28.13 | ward_ | babilen: do you know the reason they took this decision? |
| 16:28.14 | wallee | babilen: hi |
| 16:28.21 | babilen | ward_: There is a gnome fallback session, but this is probably not what you are looking for. |
| 16:28.30 | ward_ | nops its not |
| 16:28.40 | wallee | babilen: i have left for 3 mouth, now, come back |
| 16:28.50 | ward_ | i'm actually thinking to try and find another OS with apt that does have gnome2 still |
| 16:28.58 | ward_ | i dunno why everyone al of a sudden gets rid of gnome2 |
| 16:29.03 | ward_ | and gives me a piece of crap instead |
| 16:29.30 | babilen | ward_: They developed a new interface and I am quite happy with it. Others are not -- I would recommend to read the plethora of mails on the Gnome mailing lists and blog posts about design decisions if you want to learn about the specific motivations. |
| 16:29.56 | ward_ | well i'm installing it as a vm..... |
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| 16:30.03 | ward_ | so its fallback mode... |
| 16:30.08 | ward_ | no fancy GPU |
| 16:30.19 | ward_ | you apperantly need a fancy GPU nowadays to run debian with a desktop environment |
| 16:30.29 | ward_ | the opposite of progression |
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| 16:31.47 | babilen | ward_: Please stop whining, it doesn't help and will not change a thing. You can either get used to the new interface (and tweak it to your liking) or use an alternative. Some projects try to maintain forks of Gnome2, but that is IMHO a futile endeavour. (cf. for example the thread at http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2012/02/msg00247.html) |
| 16:31.49 | sti_ | my debian kernel can't recognize more usb devices than my mouse |
| 16:31.50 | dioz | heh http://store.gnome.org |
| 16:31.51 | dioz | jk jk |
| 16:32.09 | jelly | ward_: any machine made in the last 5 years will have a gpu capable enough |
| 16:32.12 | sti_ | dmesg show this |
| 16:32.12 | sti_ | [ 1230.692015] usb 5-2: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 49 |
| 16:32.13 | sti_ | [ 1231.100012] usb 5-2: device not accepting address 49, error -71 |
| 16:32.13 | sti_ | [ 1231.212013] usb 5-2: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 50 |
| 16:32.13 | sti_ | [ 1231.620009] usb 5-2: device not accepting address 50, error -71 |
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| 16:32.25 | ward_ | jelly: its a VIRTUAL MACHINE |
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| 16:33.05 | sti_ | someone? |
| 16:33.13 | nkuttler | ward_: so don't run gnome on it.. there are many alternatives |
| 16:33.16 | ward_ | babilen: sure will do, thanks a bunch of the "help" |
| 16:33.19 | jelly | ward_: yeah, I read that |
| 16:33.41 | babilen | ward_: What kind of help did you expect and how did my discussion fail to provide it? |
| 16:33.53 | chrisw_ | valdyn: always depends on the size of the files, 40 million 1GB files would likely kill you ;-) |
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| 16:34.08 | scwizard | when I su to root, my $PATH changes |
| 16:34.21 | babilen | scwizard: yes |
| 16:34.23 | ward_ | babilen: what i expect is the abillity to install the desktop envornment of my choice |
| 16:34.30 | ward_ | but apperantly that's too much |
| 16:34.33 | scwizard | what's going on with that? the PATH is set in /etc/profile |
| 16:34.43 | ward_ | i will not be forced NOT using gnome 2 anymore |
| 16:34.49 | ward_ | i will pick another OS, thanks |
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| 16:34.55 | nkuttler | !next |
| 16:34.56 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
| 16:35.02 | scwizard | I can't find it being said anwyhere in my local .profile or .bashrc or root's local .profile or .bashrc |
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| 16:35.08 | dioz | lolol |
| 16:35.23 | psf | gnome 2 really sucks :-( |
| 16:35.23 | dioz | u guysz crack me up |
| 16:35.28 | scwizard | it's also not set in /etc/bash.bashrc |
| 16:35.37 | sti_ | debians? |
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| 16:35.52 | scwizard | babilen, so why does my PATH change when I su to root? |
| 16:36.26 | babilen | ward_: So you would expect squeeze to ship KDE 1.0 too? I really don't see what you expect us to do. We ship current software from different upstreams and integrate that into a functional system. You can use squeeze for now if you want Gnome2. I've made you aware of alternatives (fallback mode, mate) and hinted at the existance of other desktop environments (kde, lxde, xfce) or window managers (fluxbox, awesomewm, xmonad, ...) -- Pick your ... |
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| 16:36.32 | babilen | ... poison. Gnome3 *is* the current Gnome version and we ship it. |
| 16:36.40 | nkuttler | babilen: too late |
| 16:36.43 | sti_ | anyone who like usb issues? |
| 16:37.03 | nkuttler | !tell sti_ about paste |
| 16:37.08 | babilen | nkuttler: I realised -- *shrug* |
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| 16:37.17 | scwizard | this is wierd... when I ssh in as myself I get the PATH: /usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/admin |
| 16:37.27 | scwizard | which is what I want, it's what's in /etc/profile |
| 16:37.30 | abrotman | babilen: did you tell him gnome2 is dead upsttream ? |
| 16:37.31 | scwizard | however when I su myself |
| 16:37.47 | babilen | abrotman: isn't it? |
| 16:37.47 | scwizard | I get: /usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/local/games:/usr/games |
| 16:37.50 | scwizard | which is nonsensical |
| 16:38.09 | abrotman | babilen: iit is |
| 16:38.15 | scwizard | its what it would be set to in /etc/profile, but I changed that file... |
| 16:38.29 | babilen | abrotman: Err, missed your point. Yes, I hope that I did in my wall-of-text |
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| 16:38.58 | babilen | abrotman: Albeit not as succinctly as you phrased it ... :) |
| 16:39.05 | abrotman | at this point, it's use gnome3 or find another WM |
| 16:39.23 | TehRabbitt-Work | hey quick question... what is the current status of Debian BSD? could it be considered stable for use in a production environment? |
| 16:39.32 | abrotman | and for those that are still whining .. look at Cinnamon |
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| 16:39.36 | petemc | TehRabbitt-Work: no |
| 16:39.44 | TehRabbitt-Work | petemc: :( lol |
| 16:40.13 | babilen | abrotman: Ah, right. That is yet another fork isn't it? (alternative to MATE) or is this some ARCH maintained Gnome3-based UI? |
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| 16:40.30 | gnarface | TehRabbitt-Work: you may want to get a second opinion on that in #debian-kbsd on OFTC |
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| 16:40.36 | abrotman | babilen: ignore MATE .. Cinnamon is a new GUI for gnome3 IIRC |
| 16:40.38 | abrotman | !cinnaomon |
| 16:40.41 | TehRabbitt-Work | petemc: any specific reasons why? any better options? basically i'm looking at it because I use Linux based Debian for various production servers but i'm looking to create a backup server but I do want to use ZFS |
| 16:40.43 | abrotman | !cinnamon |
| 16:40.44 | dpkg | Cinnamon is a fork of <GNOME Shell> initially developed by the Linux Mint distribution. <RFP> filed as Debian bug #657395. http://cinnamon.linuxmint.com/ |
| 16:40.46 | TehRabbitt-Work | OFTC? |
| 16:40.56 | gnarface | TehRabbitt-Work: irc.oftc.net |
| 16:40.58 | babilen | abrotman: thanks -- heard about it but decided not to care :) |
| 16:41.30 | babilen | TehRabbitt-Work: irc.oftc.net (aka irc.debian.org) |
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| 16:42.19 | alex- | How long does it normally takes to get new software updates in Debian? Lik Apache 2.4 |
| 16:42.21 | alex- | like * |
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| 16:42.43 | gnarface | ,versions apache |
| 16:42.44 | judd | No package named 'apache' was found in i386. |
| 16:42.46 | gnarface | ,versions apache2 |
| 16:42.47 | judd | Package: apache2 on i386 -- lenny: 2.2.9-10+lenny11; lenny-proposed-updates: 2.2.9-10+lenny12; lenny-security: 2.2.9-10+lenny12; lenny-backports: 2.2.16-6+squeeze4~bpo50+1; squeeze: 2.2.16-6+squeeze4; squeeze-proposed-updates: 2.2.16-6+squeeze6; squeeze-security: 2.2.16-6+squeeze6; sid: 2.2.22-1; wheezy: 2.2.22-1 |
| 16:42.48 | ChibaPet | alex-: Watch packages.debian.org / sid, and then watch as packages make it into testing. |
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| 16:42.58 | babilen | gnarface: Apache 2.4 was released yesterday |
| 16:43.16 | scwizard | ok so the proper place to change it is /etc/login.defs Z_Z |
| 16:43.17 | nkuttler | alex-: the stable release doesn't get updates |
| 16:43.18 | alex- | How long does it usually takes? |
| 16:43.19 | mike3 | hi guys, i'm going a little crazy. i have a command in /etc/rc.local of the following "chmod 777 /dev/tty1". nothing happens when booting. why? |
| 16:43.32 | alex- | nkuttler: why not? |
| 16:43.39 | ChibaPet | alex-: I'd bet it's available in Wheezy when that releases. |
| 16:43.42 | acu | hey guys - I can host a bug squash party - provide space - some food - perhaps facilitate some cheap accomodation - for a Midwest Squash bug party for Wheezy - is anyway I could know how many debian developers are in Midwest - US ? |
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| 16:44.00 | babilen | alex-: Because not getting (non-security) updates is the definition of stable |
| 16:44.03 | babilen | !tell alex- -about stable |
| 16:44.33 | nkuttler | alex-: there are also backports, and you can build your own if you think you really have to have something new |
| 16:44.35 | DanDare | alex-, in short terms: Its because stable Debian is _really_ stable |
| 16:44.59 | alex- | DanDare: FreeBSD also is |
| 16:45.00 | karlpinc | !tell alex- about overview |
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| 16:45.22 | alex- | Hmm, shall I stick to ubuntu then? |
| 16:45.29 | babilen | alex-: I can't give an ETA for Apache 2.4 in Debian, but I wouldn't be surprised if there are uploads to experimental shortly -- How long it takes to make it into sid is yet another question and given that Apache is a very important piece of software I hope that it will *not* be part of a release unless we are 100% sure that it is working flawlessly. |
| 16:45.59 | babilen | alex-: What does Ubuntu give you that you miss on Debian? |
| 16:46.08 | alex- | babilen: apache 2.4 |
| 16:46.13 | karlpinc | alex-: If you tell us why you want it we might be able to help you get what you need. |
| 16:46.24 | mike3 | guys, when adding command to /etc/rc.local they are not launched on boot. nothing happens. |
| 16:46.53 | maxxe | why not just build a custom package if you happen to want a specific package newer |
| 16:47.00 | karlpinc | alex-: For instance, if you think the chicks all dig 2.4, we can help you to be cool. |
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| 16:47.14 | alex- | karlpinc: ? |
| 16:47.15 | Synthead | what is up with all the versions here? http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/squeeze/main/installer-amd64/ is this 6.0.1, 6.0.3, and 6.0.4? |
| 16:47.17 | alex- | what do you mean? |
| 16:47.36 | karlpinc | alex-: I mean, does it have a feature you need or do you just want something shiny and new? |
| 16:48.07 | babilen | alex-: I would be *very* surprise if there are Apache 2.4 packages in Ubuntu already. You will also not get them in oneiric, but maybe in oneiric-backports. The same holds true for Debian as well, which also provides backports (/msg dpkg bdo) of selected packages. |
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| 16:48.24 | alex- | karlpinc: less resource usage |
| 16:48.28 | babilen | alex-: Could you link me to the Apache 2.4 package in Ubuntu -- I fail to find it :( |
| 16:48.52 | threadlock | nginx is less resource usage =) |
| 16:48.53 | alex- | babilen: idk where to get those packages |
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| 16:49.17 | alex- | threadlock: true, but i'm not very familiar with nginx |
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| 16:49.30 | alex- | That's why I use Debian and Apache instead of FreeBSD and Nginix |
| 16:49.33 | alex- | Nginx * |
| 16:49.48 | karlpinc | me likes lighttpd for resource usage. |
| 16:50.03 | dioz | yeah apache on low end boxes is pretty bad |
| 16:50.10 | clustermagnet | gents,,, trying a product out called mailcleaner… if i try its installation (from iso)… i get the minimal bash-like install prompt :) |
| 16:50.11 | clustermagnet | http://img641.imageshack.us/img641/303/screenshot20120222at114.png |
| 16:50.14 | ruvil | ugh nginx sucks |
| 16:50.19 | babilen | alex-: AFAICT (cf. http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=apache2&searchon=names&suite=precise§ion=all) Ubuntu ships 2.2 as well -- Which is really not surprising that 2.4 was released *yesterday* -- Do you really want to run such untested software in a production environment? |
| 16:50.32 | clustermagnet | i've tried in vmware fusion, xen, kvm :) |
| 16:50.37 | MrFrood | given that as I understand it the Apache upgrades have only just been released by upstream, maybe give the package maintainers some time to work? |
| 16:50.39 | ruvil | _all_ error messages with 503 bad gateway on the interwebs comes from nginx |
| 16:50.40 | clustermagnet | same damn window, 32 bit iso and 64 bit iso |
| 16:50.42 | clustermagnet | any suggestions? |
| 16:50.45 | ruvil | horrible crap |
| 16:51.01 | babilen | MrFrood: Outragous idea! The packages might actually work and be well tested! |
| 16:51.08 | dioz | ^ lol |
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| 16:51.22 | threadlock | ruvil: horribly crappy sysadmins you mean? ;) |
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| 16:51.26 | karlpinc | I'm doing fine with apache on a box with 384M of ram.... |
| 16:51.37 | MrFrood | babilen: sorry, don't know what I was thinking :| |
| 16:51.41 | dioz | depends how many hits you get karlpinc |
| 16:51.51 | dioz | how extensive your site is as well |
| 16:51.53 | scwizard | ok I changed the definition in login.defs. However when using sudo my PATH is "/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin" which is strange since there isn't even a X11R6 folder on my computer |
| 16:52.06 | babilen | recommends YAWS |
| 16:52.08 | threadlock | alex-: depending on what you want to do, nginx isn't that hard to grasp. easier and cleaner than apache configuration imo. |
| 16:52.19 | scwizard | !tell scwizard PATH |
| 16:52.19 | dioz | and if you have sql |
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| 16:53.19 | threadlock | alex-: we did the switch since our web servers where on their knees, afterwards we have lots of resources |
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| 16:54.18 | alex- | Not sure if I can get by with some htaccess replacement |
| 16:54.37 | alex- | My new server is going to be overkill |
| 16:54.38 | babilen | threadlock: Did you play with yaws too? (i.e. http://yaws.hyber.org/) -- I would be interested in its performance as opposed to other daemons that provide a httpd |
| 16:54.39 | karlpinc | dioz: Exactly. |
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| 16:56.03 | threadlock | babilen: nopes, we did not, i'll keep it in mind though |
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| 16:56.08 | permaflex68 | ciao |
| 16:56.13 | permaflex68 | !list |
| 16:56.13 | dpkg | permaflex68: È possibile di scaricare un sacco di software libero puntando il tuo browser a http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-6.0.4-amd64-i386-netinst.iso ! |
| 16:57.06 | mike3 | guys, rc.local is not running on start. why |
| 16:57.10 | mike3 | chkconfig shows it's on.. |
| 16:58.15 | threadlock | alex-: perhaps there lies one of your performance issues.. http://wiki.nginx.org/LikeApache-htaccess |
| 16:58.42 | babilen | threadlock: Sure -- I've seen a couple of artificial benchmarks, but am rather interested in real deployment experiences. nginx is certainly not a bad choice, but /me is always curious |
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| 16:59.50 | permaflex68 | !list |
| 16:59.51 | dpkg | VATTENE VIA! |
| 17:00.03 | permaflex68 | !list |
| 17:00.03 | dpkg | permaflex68: È possibile di scaricare un sacco di software libero puntando il tuo browser a http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-6.0.4-amd64-i386-netinst.iso ! |
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| 17:02.20 | babilen | permaflex68: This is a technical support channel for the free Linux distribution Debian (http://www.debian.org) -- You will not get any "warez" or other software of dubious sources here. I would recommend to try free and open source software or look somwwhere else. |
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| 17:05.20 | ESphynx | hey guys... which version of Debian should we target if we hope to have our package included? |
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| 17:07.10 | ben1066 | For a home server, stable or testing? |
| 17:07.30 | karlpinc | ESphynx: Stuff gets into debian from experimental->sid->testing, so wheezy. But I don't know much. Better would be #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org or see the developer pages on debian.org. |
| 17:07.33 | daemonkeeper | ESphynx: New packages only enter into the Testing suite. |
| 17:07.49 | babilen | ESphynx: New packages are typically uploaded to sid (aka unstable) -- I would recommend to read Debian's New Maintainer's Guide (/msg dpkg nmg) and raise additional question in #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net |
| 17:07.53 | daemonkeeper | ESphynx: To you, that means Wheezy at earliest. |
| 17:07.53 | karlpinc | !tell ESphynx about stable |
| 17:08.09 | ESphynx | stable I guess... Debian Stable (6.0.4) 64 bits |
| 17:08.24 | alex- | threadlock: is there something like htaccess but then for lighttpd or nginx? |
| 17:08.25 | babilen | karlpinc, ESphynx: We might want to clarify that there is no automatic transition from experimental to sid |
| 17:08.28 | karlpinc | ESphynx: No, see the stable facoid above. |
| 17:08.31 | MrFrood | ben1066: stable unless you have a very good reason to do otherwise |
| 17:08.32 | ESphynx | so Wheezy |
| 17:08.37 | babilen | ben1066: stable |
| 17:08.56 | ben1066 | does stable get it's packages updated? |
| 17:09.06 | ben1066 | to recent versions :P |
| 17:09.08 | babilen | !tell ben1066 -about stable |
| 17:09.17 | ESphynx | babilen: so we would go in experimental first? |
| 17:09.18 | karlpinc | !tell ben1066 about overview |
| 17:09.24 | MrFrood | ben1066: it gets security updates and there is backports |
| 17:10.00 | ben1066 | how unstable is testing? |
| 17:10.22 | rypervenche | ben1066: Depends. I use it as my main OS on my laptop. Stuff breaks from time to time. |
| 17:10.37 | karlpinc | !tell ben1066 about moving target |
| 17:10.50 | babilen | ben1066: No, but note that testing has no security support whatsoever (as of now), that the software is considerably less tested and that you typically don't need the newest software on a server anyway there is *no excuse* to use it on an internet-facing production system. Furthermore: Debian provides backports of selected packages if you do need newer versions (/msg dpkg bdo) or you can even backport packages yourself (/msg dpkg ssb) if they ... |
| 17:10.55 | ben1066 | rypervenche: critical stuff? or just versions that break things |
| 17:10.56 | babilen | ... haven't been backported already. |
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| 17:11.07 | babilen | ESphynx: No, you target sid |
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| 17:11.15 | threadlock | alex-: i guess it depends on what you want to do.. http://wiki.nginx.org/NginxHttpRewriteModule http://wiki.nginx.org/NginxHttpAuthBasicModule |
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| 17:11.21 | MrFrood | ben1066: if you had been here when gnome got upgraded to ver 3 you know just how easy it is to be caught out by testing |
| 17:11.21 | rypervenche | ben1066: babilen is right. I will be sticking with stable once wheezy becomes stable. |
| 17:11.30 | threadlock | alex-: i'm sure there is an nginx channel too.. ;) |
| 17:11.32 | jexmex | is there a package for plain old firefox? gmail hates iceweasel |
| 17:11.39 | karlpinc | ben1066: Some prefer testing. I prefer stable with <backports>. |
| 17:11.43 | babilen | !tell jexmex -about mdn |
| 17:11.56 | MrFrood | jexmex: mozilla.debian.net |
| 17:12.03 | karlpinc | jexmex: Use that plugin that lies about what browser is used. |
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| 17:12.05 | babilen | jexmex: You can install recent iceweasel versions (release suite) from http://mozilla.debian.net -- See also dpkg's private message. |
| 17:12.06 | ben1066 | :S prehaps stable then |
| 17:12.12 | MrFrood | for versions of iceweasel that gmaill likes |
| 17:12.35 | ESphynx | thanks |
| 17:12.55 | babilen | ESphynx: You are welcome! Good luck with your package and may you have fun contributing to Debian. |
| 17:12.56 | karlpinc | Is there a command line tool that gives a proposed password a "strength grade"? |
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| 17:13.23 | babilen | karlpinc: Hmm ... passwdqc comes up in a search |
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| 17:14.11 | karlpinc | babilen: Thanks. I'll look. I spent sometime with aptitude and debtags and couldn't come up with anything obvious. |
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| 17:14.31 | babilen | karlpinc: "apt-cache search password strength" was all I did :-D |
| 17:15.05 | karlpinc | babilen: Is it in stable? I can't find it. |
| 17:15.17 | babilen | karlpinc: It typically makes sense to search package descriptions as well. (default with apt-cache or ~d with aptitude) |
| 17:15.24 | babilen | ,versions passwdqc |
| 17:15.25 | judd | Package: passwdqc on i386 -- sid: 1.2.0-1; squeeze: 1.2.0-1; wheezy: 1.2.0-1 |
| 17:15.30 | babilen | ,checkbackport passwdqc |
| 17:15.34 | judd | Backporting package passwdqc in sid→squeeze/i386: all build-dependencies satisfied using squeeze, virtual. |
| 17:15.40 | karlpinc | Ah, this would be because I'm mis-spelling it! |
| 17:15.43 | babilen | karlpinc: Looks as if you have to backport it |
| 17:15.53 | babilen | Ah, no ... /me is blind |
| 17:15.56 | MrFrood | karlpinc: http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=passwdqc |
| 17:15.59 | babilen | yes, it is in stable :) |
| 17:16.22 | babilen | gets coffee |
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| 17:16.59 | dioz | i think what happens is people are lonely so they install some obscure linux distro or bsd of some sorts then join a chat medium to talk with othe rpeople who are using it |
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| 17:17.19 | dioz | creating a common ground of sorts |
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| 17:17.29 | Guest3171 | lol |
| 17:17.38 | dioz | all i wanna know is will it blend |
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| 17:18.29 | dioz | i miss the days when installing linux wasn't super simple and most people gave up before even starting |
| 17:18.34 | MrFrood | dioz: more off an off-topic disussion but most of the regulurs here seem to have active social lifes |
| 17:18.51 | dioz | regulars yeah |
| 17:19.01 | dioz | i irc cause i'm infront of a computer pretty much the entire time i work |
| 17:19.02 | MrFrood | points to #debian-offtopic |
| 17:19.05 | dioz | k |
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| 17:22.43 | Bartzy | Anyone here is using supervisord? |
| 17:22.56 | Bartzy | if I set startsecs=0 , then all processes start in parallel. That's good (although I would like that benefit of startsecs=1, and still start in parallel). When stopping the program (supervisorctl stop workers:*), it takes a lot of time, maybe 1 second per process opened (overall of 40 seconds). Any idea why supervisord is not stopping in parallel? It's also not sending a TERM signal. Just kill :\ |
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| 17:27.39 | babilen | Bartzy: I'd try http://lists.supervisord.org/mailman/listinfo/supervisor-users |
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| 17:27.50 | Bartzy | thanks |
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| 17:30.57 | nyk2005 | I have a really odd behaviour when printing: it works, but then the gnome-printing notification pops up and tells me it failed. When I then cancel the job, it tells me that it was successful. I mean it was, but why do I have to cancel each job? |
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| 17:35.59 | lenswipe | hey guys |
| 17:36.11 | lenswipe | what is the fesibility of installing nagios on a debian VPS? |
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| 17:36.32 | nullie | ah... finally I have privilege to join this channel |
| 17:36.58 | ksk | lenswipe: why should there be any problem? |
| 17:37.24 | lenswipe | is it secure? |
| 17:37.27 | lenswipe | and is it easy to setup? |
| 17:38.17 | DanDare | lenswipe, using apt-get is very feasible |
| 17:38.34 | lenswipe | huh? |
| 17:38.39 | lenswipe | apt-get nagios3 |
| 17:38.48 | lenswipe | how do i connect to it after that? |
| 17:38.53 | lenswipe | do i need a special firewall setup or something? |
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| 17:39.58 | DanDare | lenswipe, I dont use nagios but for general basic information you can have google help I guees. Like http://osshare.blogspot.com/2011/07/install-nagios-with-debian-6.html |
| 17:40.38 | jelly-home | lenswipe: nagios is not what I'd call easy to set up. |
| 17:40.56 | jelly-home | it's a powerful and complex framework. |
| 17:41.18 | lenswipe | hmm |
| 17:41.22 | lenswipe | well ive started the install now |
| 17:41.23 | lenswipe | :/ |
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| 17:43.49 | lenswipe | im having issues contacting the main nagios server |
| 17:43.53 | lenswipe | or rather |
| 17:44.03 | lenswipe | i installed nagios on a VPS and nagiosstatmon cant find it |
| 17:44.04 | lenswipe | :/ |
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| 17:45.05 | DanDare | lenswipe, what you installing nagios for ? |
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| 17:45.14 | lenswipe | so i can keep a track on my VPS from my desktop |
| 17:45.20 | lenswipe | see whats going on and see when it goes down |
| 17:45.46 | DanDare | lenswipe, I see. I use cacti for bandwidht monitoring |
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| 17:46.30 | DanDare | lenswipe, among other simple stuff like hardware monitoring, system basic monitoring etc |
| 17:46.35 | lenswipe | hmm |
| 17:46.41 | lenswipe | i cba setting it up so i removed it |
| 17:47.47 | DanDare | lenswipe, for uptime monitoring i just use some free services like http://www.monitor.us/index.jsp |
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| 17:48.59 | DanDare | lenswipe, or if you have some other machine you can use to monitor its quite simple to setup a check script and reporting by e-mail using 'mail' |
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| 17:49.52 | lenswipe | DanDare, im getting notification when i update that it wants to install a new version of udev, however i need to update my kernel |
| 17:49.59 | lenswipe | im installing the package: linux-headers-2.6.32-5-all-amd64 is that what i need? |
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| 17:50.13 | DanDare | lenswipe, its Xen ? |
| 17:50.17 | lenswipe | no idea |
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| 17:51.13 | JasonWoof | virtualbox won't start my vm, it complains about not having a network device. I booted without the kernel modules, did dpkg-reconfigure virtualbox-dkms to build them. /etc/init.d/virtualbox restart to make sure they're installed. But it's not creating the virtual ethernet adapter |
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| 17:51.21 | JasonWoof | how do I get it to? |
| 17:51.32 | DanDare | lenswipe, hmmm... im not sure if its possible to update kernel on a VPS, even more if its Xen. You need to use custom headers files (just guessing) |
| 17:51.39 | lenswipe | k |
| 17:51.52 | DanDare | lenswipe, send a ticket to the support |
| 17:51.54 | DanDare | about it |
| 17:52.22 | scwizard | when I call "sudo" my path becomes "/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin" |
| 17:52.27 | scwizard | is there any way I can change this value? |
| 17:52.32 | DanDare | JasonWoof, /join #vbox |
| 17:52.35 | valdyn | scwizard: visudo |
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| 17:55.14 | scwizard | valdyn, oh ok, there's this env_reset thingy that was throwing me for a loop |
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| 17:58.30 | mrstocks | is it possible for a user to open a server on port 80 i want him to? |
| 17:58.37 | mrstocks | if* |
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| 17:58.53 | mrstocks | like addgroup user net or something |
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| 17:59.02 | jexmex | installed google chrome but it did not show up in applications menu, no idea where it installed to manually add it |
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| 18:00.17 | DanDare | jexmex, chrome is not in Debian repositories it seems. How do you installed it? Downloaded the package there and ran some script ? |
| 18:01.05 | grayghost | when I press and release the ctrl key it highlight the pointer with several circles . this is messing up vbox host key ..... where is this function enabled and disabled ? |
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| 18:01.56 | jexmex | DanDare, I downloaded package from google chrome site, then ran it. It says its installed, but on the included files tab it shows error reading filelist |
| 18:02.02 | sKeiths | how can I confirm my swap partition is goo. I moved it around on my disk. |
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| 18:02.10 | jexmex | so maybe it did not install correctly, even though it says it is installed |
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| 18:03.29 | DanDare | jexmex, I will start trying to install chrome right now for fun. Lets see what happens :p |
| 18:03.51 | jexmex | ok |
| 18:04.42 | grayghost | DanDare: be careful ... you might get to like it :-D |
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| 18:05.06 | DanDare | grayghost, allright !! :D Its just a VM here anyway :p |
| 18:05.45 | sKeiths | even after restart i get 'unable to find swap-space signature' and a failed when swap is trying to activate during boot. |
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| 18:08.07 | DanDare | grayghost, I see chromium in Deb repos. Its any good ? |
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| 18:10.32 | cusco_ | hey folks |
| 18:10.51 | cusco_ | is old gnome 2.X available in testing? |
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| 18:11.42 | DanDare | jexmex, do you donwloaded the chrome .deb package ? |
| 18:11.54 | jexmex | yeah I downloaded debian 64bit package |
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| 18:13.10 | grayghost | DanDare: yes I like it . |
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| 18:15.04 | DanDare | jexmex, getting dependencies problems here, must install stuff |
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| 18:15.31 | jexmex | gonna try chromium |
| 18:16.42 | Iridos | DanDare, problem with the squeeze version is that it's so old that googles extension library refuses to let it download/install extensions |
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| 18:16.54 | sKeiths | my swap issues are over. found mkswap command . |
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| 18:17.39 | jexmex | chromium seems decent. Wonder since it installed all the deps if chrome package would work now |
| 18:17.59 | DanDare | jexmex, I can run chrome doing: "/usr/bin/google-chrome" |
| 18:18.15 | DanDare | Iridos: I see |
| 18:18.28 | jexmex | sweet |
| 18:18.35 | jexmex | I will manually add it to menu |
| 18:19.03 | maxxe | firefox is better |
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| 18:19.15 | jexmex | I like firefox too |
| 18:19.16 | DanDare | jexmex, just typing google-chrome in command line will do it |
| 18:19.31 | maxxe | opera is ok as well |
| 18:19.37 | maxxe | chrome.. naa |
| 18:19.39 | DanDare | I just use iceweasel :p |
| 18:19.40 | jexmex | is there a reason that debian packages its own version of firefox? |
| 18:20.33 | DanDare | Debian is not much of a better choice for general multimedia or internet browser I guess |
| 18:20.36 | MrFrood | !tell jexmex why iceweasel |
| 18:20.51 | DanDare | Ubuntu sounds more like the option (out of the box I mean) |
| 18:20.53 | maxxe | don't know. i don't use them. or wait since they customized the package they weren't allowed to keep the name firefox so they had to use an own name ice weasel =) |
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| 18:22.14 | DanDare | Its like installing mpd or ffmpeg from repositories. I ever had more luck compiling from source for such programs |
| 18:22.54 | nullie | I've chosen to compile specific programs and install to home directory |
| 18:23.02 | nullie | e.g. emacs |
| 18:23.25 | DanDare | I mean, ffmpeg from repo is kinda "capped" |
| 18:24.16 | DanDare | But, so sweet Debian includes a working version of ZoneMinder in squeeze |
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| 18:24.29 | DanDare | It was a pain in the arse configuring zoneminder on Lenny |
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| 18:25.32 | nullie | you can always recompile ubuntu packages if you want to |
| 18:25.54 | nullie | well not always |
| 18:26.10 | MrFrood | does not dmm have a version of ffmpeg? |
| 18:26.51 | themill | so does debian main |
| 18:26.57 | riadh | hi, when creating an init.d script, what do I need to put in Required-Start to load it after the module found in /etc/modules are loaded ? |
| 18:27.21 | DanDare | Problem with ffmpeg is all the proprietary codecs and such |
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| 18:27.59 | DanDare | so if you really need ffmpeg with all the options more like you need to compile by yourself, and install 3rd party codecs etc |
| 18:28.36 | MrFrood | themill: but as indicated previously the version in debian main is restricted (I think to ensure it does not breach US law) |
| 18:28.49 | DanDare | yeah ... |
| 18:29.16 | DanDare | Like processing ARM files in ffmpeg, more like you cant do it with debian ffmpeg |
| 18:29.17 | themill | MrFrood: orly? |
| 18:29.25 | MrFrood | DanDare: or use the dmm version perhaps? |
| 18:29.27 | DanDare | *AMR |
| 18:29.38 | DanDare | MrFrood, whats the dmm version ? |
| 18:29.47 | DanDare | debian multimedia ? |
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| 18:29.59 | MrFrood | DanDare: yes |
| 18:30.11 | themill | would try squeeze-backports first |
| 18:30.32 | DanDare | MrFrood, yeah its a good option I believe. Im bit afraid of broken system stuff by using the repositorie there |
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| 18:30.37 | DanDare | *breaking |
| 18:30.39 | MrFrood | themill: still restricted even in bpo |
| 18:30.51 | themill | MrFrood: what is this "restriction" you claim? |
| 18:31.17 | themill | Have you actually tried it? or you working off 5 year old rumours? |
| 18:31.51 | themill | (dmm is full of poor quality packages that break more than they fix; recommending it to everyone who comes into #d is not a good idea) |
| 18:31.54 | DanDare | themill, do a test: Install ffmpeg and try to process AMR files (at least it doesnt work in lenny... or that was etch ?) :p |
| 18:32.03 | Iridos | would like to work off some 5 year old pounds |
| 18:32.21 | MrFrood | themill: its documented somewhere but certain codecs are not implemented in the debian version for legal reasions |
| 18:32.24 | themill | DanDare: and in wheezy? (i.e. squeeze-backports) |
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| 18:32.35 | themill | MrFrood: you might like to double check that somewhere |
| 18:32.37 | DanDare | themill, didnt tried it |
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| 18:32.53 | DanDare | MrFrood, yeah, listen to themill |
| 18:33.07 | DanDare | MrFrood, and about dmm, I suspect hes almost right about it |
| 18:34.02 | DanDare | Like I dont care to use dmm in my desktop machine but sure not something I attempt on my server box etc |
| 18:34.23 | themill | libdvdcss is about the only reason to go anywhere near dmm these days |
| 18:35.09 | MrFrood | themill is right about the quaity of some of the packages and dmm should be used wiith caution, but for some users it is easier than compiling |
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| 18:35.59 | DanDare | MrFrood, sure |
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| 18:36.30 | gnarface | while i *do* with the debian stock ffmpeg had libmp3lame encoding support by default i'm glad all my handhelds arm devices have a decent port of mplayer now so i don't need it |
| 18:36.37 | gnarface | s/with/wish/ |
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| 18:37.53 | MrFrood | themill: iirc the reason i startedcompiling my own ffmpeg was that the debian version came with the H264 encoder disabled |
| 18:37.56 | DanDare | gnarface, its being a while since i used ffmpeg by hand but I suspect ffmpeg had not even libmp3lame support in etch (or it was lenny?) :p |
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| 18:38.19 | DanDare | MrFrood, yeah.. that also |
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| 18:39.05 | gnarface | DanDare: i'd been compiling it manually since like sarge so i don't know really |
| 18:39.19 | DanDare | How its today squeeze Debian? It cames with H264 codecs from repositories ? |
| 18:39.41 | DanDare | More like not..... really ? |
| 18:39.54 | gnarface | maybe in non-free |
| 18:40.23 | gnarface | hmm. actually i think i have h264 |
| 18:41.01 | DanDare | gnarface, for decoding only most likely |
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| 18:41.24 | DanDare | gnarface, sorry. I meant stuff you can find on repositorie |
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| 18:41.34 | simonlnu | because the h264 encoder is highly non-free. you need an expensive license if you want to put that stuff up online somewhere. |
| 18:41.48 | simonlnu | read the fine print ;) |
| 18:41.48 | gnarface | DanDare: yes, that's what ffmpeg -codecs says. i have encoding for something called libx264 but i am guessing that's not the same thing, is it? |
| 18:42.07 | simonlnu | reverse engineered or such |
| 18:42.13 | DanDare | o.O |
| 18:42.47 | gnarface | is it like divx -> xvid? |
| 18:42.57 | DanDare | simonlnu, even for decoding the license applies ? |
| 18:43.00 | simonlnu | what's wrong with oggs or webm or whatever? ;) |
| 18:43.13 | Mephisto | is there a way to compile Stardict 3.0.3 on Squeeze? |
| 18:43.14 | simonlnu | decoding no. i said encoding. i know i did. |
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| 18:43.33 | DanDare | simonlnu, actually nothing wrong. They are good enough |
| 18:43.36 | gnarface | let me tell you what's wrong with oggs |
| 18:43.36 | MrFrood | simonlnu: quality vs size of file |
| 18:43.58 | gnarface | simonlnu: the only thing wrong with oggs is that if you use them everyone makes fun of you |
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| 18:44.19 | DanDare | gnarface, yeah that. Lack of player support (for the general public) |
| 18:44.21 | simonlnu | not a good enough reason |
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| 18:44.34 | MrFrood | ogg files much larger, not tried webM at I settaled on a H264 solution before webM was opensourced |
| 18:44.42 | Mephisto | http://blog.sina.com.cn/s/blog_5c9a54e30100x08h.html |
| 18:44.54 | Mephisto | would the same method shown in the link above work for Debian? |
| 18:45.11 | DanDare | simonlnu, its is, depend of the usage. Lets say youre creating a public stream, general public just want to click and have their audio done |
| 18:45.15 | simonlnu | has a rockboxed player. "it'll play anything you throw at it" |
| 18:45.32 | gnarface | i don't have any problem at all using ffmpeg to encode everything into mpeg4/avi and playing it on everything though |
| 18:45.48 | thechef | I usually disable sftp users ability to create symlinks by modifying the openssh-server package. For some reason apt-get always plans to overwrite my package. Do i keep getting an outdated source? |
| 18:46.15 | MrFrood | The only thing I use video encoding for is backing up my DVD's |
| 18:46.17 | simonlnu | up the version, for a start |
| 18:46.26 | MrFrood | (for my use only) |
| 18:46.49 | DanDare | MrFrood, thats backup means :) |
| 18:47.04 | DanDare | It should be broadcasting otherwise ... |
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| 18:47.43 | AthomIk | hello all |
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| 18:47.46 | MrFrood | DanDare: just wanted to make the point clear |
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| 18:48.18 | AthomIk | i have loose evolution...... not work now...... evolution[5674]: segfault at 10 ip 00007f993d70ac0f sp 00007f992148f508 error 6 in libnvidia-tls.so.295.20[7f993d70a000+3000 |
| 18:48.29 | AthomIk | was is das |
| 18:48.33 | AthomIk | ? |
| 18:48.35 | gnarface | often streams things unnecessarily just for fun |
| 18:48.41 | DanDare | MrFrood, for DVD backups (ones really worthy), i just copy into a spare DVD. You know, encoding will just make it losing quality ... |
| 18:48.51 | Cryp71c | If a service starts when the system loads (say, on a server) how can I know where that startup script is at? I'm looking for the code which is responsible for Vino loading on this ubuntu server. |
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| 18:49.25 | DanDare | Cryp71c, not better /join #ubuntu then ? |
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| 18:50.21 | DanDare | Cryp71c, by default on Debian install startup service scripts are at /etc/init.d |
| 18:50.46 | Cryp71c | Are those scripts named by the program they represent, typically? |
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| 18:51.31 | DanDare | Cryp71c, you can run 'chkconfig -l' to list services being run at startup and even disable then by 'chkconfig <servname> off' |
| 18:51.44 | themill | Cryp71c: startup scripts are handled completely different in ubuntu; please ask #ubuntu |
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| 18:52.00 | Cryp71c | DanDare, thanks, will try that. |
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| 18:52.07 | cusco_ | hey... secondary screen on gnome3 on testing is always blank |
| 18:52.12 | cusco_ | I can't figure out why |
| 18:52.17 | DanDare | Cryp71c, take note what themill said |
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| 18:52.45 | AthomIk | lol, not solution.... pffffff |
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| 18:53.30 | DanDare | last time i had segfaults was in sarge IIRC, fortunately ... |
| 18:53.42 | Cryp71c | DanDare, themill, will do..asking in there...as an aside, I think the guy who set this server up said that the vnc server wouldn't start until you logged in as a user, and if you ever logged out of that user, it would end. Are user startups located elsewhere? |
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| 18:54.05 | DanDare | but segfaults can mean hardware failings, panic_on_oom and so on, right ? |
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| 18:54.53 | AthomIk | DanDare: not, is because drivers is launched without real test |
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| 18:55.06 | AthomIk | work of kid |
| 18:55.08 | AthomIk | s |
| 18:55.15 | DanDare | AthomIk, so that also ... |
| 18:55.41 | DanDare | Hmm, maybe a good occasion to start writing a new driver for it ? |
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| 18:57.16 | DanDare | I mean, if only the kid had the initiative of writing it... good kid its I would say |
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| 19:00.34 | AthomIk | DanDare: ok, sure.... but.... i wanna read my email now.... |
| 19:01.04 | DanDare | AthomIk, yeah, fair enough |
| 19:02.28 | DanDare | AthomIk, maybe using standard video driver until you get it sorted out ? |
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| 19:03.40 | eeepcrt3090 | hey there, anyone know how to get 3 |
| 19:04.11 | eeepcrt3090 | rt3090 working |
| 19:04.18 | somiaj | looking for a pdf to text converter...I guess I could just get a good pdf reader that I can copy/paste |
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| 19:05.41 | gnarface | ffmpeg is renaming to libav? |
| 19:06.05 | gaara | hey guys. good day. im new in this channel and been looking around for a solution. i'm making a script for automating qmail installation. But i'm stuck with creating a new file. I tried (cat < >) with no luck. The file I'm creating contain // case "$1" in // . |
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| 19:06.25 | eeepcrt3090 | trying to get wifi working on asus eepc with rt3090 wifi card... anybody know if its possible to get it working? |
| 19:06.27 | cthuluh | dpkg: tell eeepcrt3090 -about rt3090 |
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| 19:10.57 | sidney | Is it normal for the source-list to be empty after a new install? |
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| 19:17.59 | himuraken | sidney, /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
| 19:18.04 | scwizard | sidney, that can happen if you're not connected to the internet during the install I think |
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| 19:18.17 | scwizard | although it shouldn't be empty empty, it should have the security url in there |
| 19:18.20 | himuraken | Yes or if you decline to use a network mirror during install. |
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| 19:20.35 | himuraken | sidney would you like a copy of a fresh/recent installs sources.list ? |
| 19:20.58 | sidney | yes |
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| 19:21.23 | sidney | hopefull it has non free |
| 19:21.29 | n0yd | Anyone try one of the "unofficial" non-free firmware netinstall cds hosted on debians server? I tried one yesterday, it didnt pickup my wifi and ethernet in graphical install. and my ethernet doesnt even use a non-free firmware |
| 19:21.29 | himuraken | yes and contrib |
| 19:21.53 | gaara | http://debgen.simplylinux.ch/generate.php |
| 19:22.16 | sidney | himuraken, thank you |
| 19:22.31 | himuraken | sidney, http://pastebin.com/3SJjzJwC |
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| 19:23.15 | himuraken | Other than contrib and non-free it is stock from a squeeze iso |
| 19:24.13 | deed02392 | hi guys, i'm trying ot install debian onto a usb stick and the install is failling at the 'install the grub bootloader' stage |
| 19:24.46 | deed02392 | i specify to install to the usb stick with '/dev/sdd1' which failed |
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| 19:25.09 | himuraken | deed02392, just a hint/question, is it set as hdd/hdd emulation in your system bios? |
| 19:25.12 | deed02392 | so now I have debian installed to a usb stick but no way to boot from it, how can I set it up to be bootable? |
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| 19:25.33 | gaara | @deed> ii believe that there should be a hold/waiting time |
| 19:25.33 | deed02392 | i'm not sure himuraken, i haven't configured anything of the sort |
| 19:25.45 | deed02392 | how do you mean gaara ? |
| 19:26.39 | himuraken | Might be unrelated altogether, but I would check your bios. There is usually an area that allows you to specify if it should treat usb keys as floppy, cdrom, hdd, etc. Ive seen issues when trying to use one as an hdd but the setting was set to something other than hdd. |
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| 19:26.41 | deed02392 | the installer ended up in a bug loop where any step i chose failed, with the 'install grub bootloader' in the background |
| 19:26.58 | abrotman | n0yd: what is your wifi adapter? |
| 19:27.06 | gaara | i read it somewhere, for the bios to load and remember your usb |
| 19:27.40 | n0yd | abrotman, b43 |
| 19:28.09 | deed02392 | nope, no such option exists on my laptop's bios gaara / himuraken |
| 19:28.21 | himuraken | Hrmm. Old system? |
| 19:28.30 | deed02392 | nope new last year |
| 19:28.36 | deed02392 | dell e6410 |
| 19:28.53 | abrotman | n0yd: they do change things with this .. your wired might be easier first .. which is that? |
| 19:28.58 | himuraken | Hrmm, I have a 6400 but It isnt handy atm |
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| 19:29.00 | abrotman | curses at broadcom |
| 19:29.04 | gaara | it's not in the bios. it's in the loader. i'll try to check |
| 19:29.10 | abrotman | !tell deed02392 about usb install |
| 19:29.29 | gaara | what's ur purpose anyway? why not use live cds |
| 19:29.39 | deed02392 | my laptop doesn't have a cd drive |
| 19:29.42 | n0yd | abrotman, wired is just a SiS900 |
| 19:29.45 | n0yd | its a craptop |
| 19:29.54 | deed02392 | need a 64 bit debian environment to test virtualbox |
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| 19:30.16 | n0yd | i have no problem just doing a normal install first, then adding in support for b43, thats easy, but the install didnt even see ethernet |
| 19:30.23 | deed02392 | abrotman, what specifically about these links is relevant? |
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| 19:30.27 | deed02392 | i have already read many usb install guides |
| 19:30.34 | abrotman | okay, then i won't help |
| 19:30.50 | abrotman | n0yd: does lspci see your NIC ? |
| 19:31.15 | n0yd | at least not in graphical mode. its been like 10 years since ive installed debian stock, so i chose graphical mode for shits and giigles |
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| 19:31.38 | n0yd | abrotman, not sure, every other distro shpows it, even the one im running now, which is wheezy based |
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| 19:31.56 | abrotman | n0yd: lspci is a CLI tool .. you can use lspci -k to see if it's loading a module for your NIC |
| 19:32.03 | n0yd | i know |
| 19:32.06 | abrotman | ok |
| 19:32.15 | n0yd | im not a noob, i realize its a cli tool |
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| 19:33.09 | deed02392 | abrotman, why not? i have read these already, except for the link about plop |
| 19:33.30 | deed02392 | can you not just be more specific, as I have been about my problem? |
| 19:33.51 | abrotman | n0yd: okay, just making sure, not sure what your level of expertise is .. |
| 19:33.53 | n0yd | abramart, im gonna reboot and see what it says |
| 19:34.10 | abrotman | n0yd: okay .. also .. 'dmesg | grep eth' |
| 19:34.15 | n0yd | right |
| 19:34.18 | abrotman | !beer abramart |
| 19:34.19 | dpkg | deftly decants a fine Jever for abramart |
| 19:34.35 | n0yd | tab fail? |
| 19:34.37 | n0yd | lol |
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| 19:36.00 | abrotman | yeah, yours :) |
| 19:36.02 | deed02392 | gaara, himuraken, what's the best route from here? i figure everything is in place except for a mbr on the usb stick |
| 19:36.44 | Winsen | hi |
| 19:37.13 | gaara | deed : try grub4dos |
| 19:37.21 | mrstocks | is a better virtualization software than virtualbox? |
| 19:37.23 | himuraken | deed02392, agreed. Often the last inch is the hardest :-). I have no other advice other than the hdd emulation option I suggested checking. |
| 19:37.59 | deed02392 | i've checked it himuraken, no such option exists from what I can see... |
| 19:38.04 | deed02392 | i'll check that out gaara |
| 19:38.10 | jacobw | mrstocks: qemu/kvm |
| 19:38.16 | deed02392 | or perhaps i could install syslinux from my windows pc? |
| 19:38.23 | jacobw | mrstocks: containes are the new hotness |
| 19:38.30 | himuraken | As I said thats all I got. Thanks. |
| 19:38.36 | jacobw | mrstocks: see openvz and proxmox |
| 19:38.37 | mrstocks | jacobw containes? |
| 19:38.38 | gaara | deed: coz your only problem is the bootloader. right? |
| 19:38.46 | jacobw | mrstocks: sorry, containers |
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| 19:39.05 | mrstocks | jacobw, can i access the guess from the host in them? |
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| 19:39.40 | jacobw | mrstocks: yes |
| 19:39.57 | jacobw | mrstocks: that's always the case with VMs |
| 19:40.13 | mrstocks | Thats great virtualbox is bugged in the lastest version |
| 19:40.26 | mrstocks | you can but only with a 30second latency |
| 19:40.58 | deed02392 | yes i think so gaara |
| 19:41.03 | himuraken | mrstocks, what is the bug in the latest version? |
| 19:41.23 | deed02392 | everything went fine but then it asked to install grub, i said don't install on the mbr as I have windows on these drives using truecrypt, so it would have destroyed that |
| 19:41.37 | deed02392 | when I said no it asked me to specify the device & partition that it should install grub to |
| 19:41.50 | deed02392 | so i entered /dev/sdd1 which is the ext3 partition on the debian usb installation |
| 19:41.50 | mrstocks | himuraken, the divers which i use for a private host adapter hang for 30 secs |
| 19:41.54 | deed02392 | and it said there was a fatal error |
| 19:42.02 | deed02392 | no debug output other than that |
| 19:42.12 | himuraken | mrstocks, gotcha. Was worried about my vbox installs XD |
| 19:42.15 | deed02392 | so i tried dropping to a shell and running install-grub manually buti t said no such program |
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| 19:43.01 | mrstocks | himuraken, but its very very very annoying.... firefox F5... secs.... |
| 19:43.08 | deed02392 | what i want to happen is when i boot the laptop, I choose to boot from usb and the usb install of debian loads |
| 19:43.09 | mrstocks | 30* |
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| 19:44.23 | n0yd | abrotman: hmm, the installer showed the b43 and ethernet with lspci -k, but it gives errors during setup about having no modules to load or some such, and when it detects network hardware it sees nothing |
| 19:44.32 | n0yd | maybe the installation medium is fubar |
| 19:44.34 | n0yd | i donno |
| 19:45.18 | abrotman | n0yd: is the system actually installed? |
| 19:45.20 | gaara | deed: make your life easier. backup that usb and use the whole thing, and reinstall from the start. and tell us if it works. i want to try that thing also. but im out of usb sticks |
| 19:45.33 | ben1066 | Now is a really crap time to make a home server considering hdds cost so much :S |
| 19:45.34 | n0yd | abrotman: no, of course not |
| 19:45.36 | Mephisto | how to clean up all devs i got in the system? |
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| 19:45.51 | n0yd | i do have a debianesque system installed tho |
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| 19:46.05 | n0yd | crunchbang, upgraded to wheezy |
| 19:46.19 | abrotman | moment |
| 19:46.37 | sidney | was someone talking about checkinstall earlier? |
| 19:46.55 | n0yd | what about it? |
| 19:47.16 | himuraken | sidney, did that help? |
| 19:47.18 | Mephisto | common people. .you know it |
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| 19:47.27 | Mephisto | how to remove all devs for Christ sake? |
| 19:47.35 | Mephisto | *.dev files |
| 19:47.36 | mrstocks | jacobw, qemu doesnt run nativaly on windows from what i can see. Any more that can come in handy? |
| 19:47.46 | abrotman | n0yd: what did dmesg | grep eth say ? |
| 19:47.46 | Mephisto | with one command in the terminal |
| 19:47.58 | Mephisto | do i really have to go to synaptic and delete those one by one?.. |
| 19:48.01 | n0yd | abrotman: shit, i forgot to run that one |
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| 19:48.18 | n0yd | will it matter if nothing is plugged into it? |
| 19:48.25 | sidney | hiruraken it worked fine but conky is not in the repo |
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| 19:49.45 | TheWarden | anyone have suggestions on what I could be missing in setting up a samba share? |
| 19:49.47 | TheWarden | I have a share called "keys" setup that allows three users me, administrator and test. If I use smbclient locally and remotely it works fine. However if I try to connect to the share from Windows 7 with user test or administrator I'm unable to connect however my account works fine. |
| 19:49.47 | Mephisto | pff... |
| 19:49.52 | Mephisto | marvellous.. |
| 19:49.57 | TheWarden | the share has valid users and write list test with my account, administrator and test. smbd and nmbd has been restarted. |
| 19:50.19 | n0yd | abrotman: brb |
| 19:50.42 | TheWarden | its driving me nuts :) |
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| 19:51.21 | Bartzy | For a high traffic server, I need a location for temp files that are processed and then deleted - is tmpfs the best solution ? :\ Should I avoid disk access ? |
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| 19:52.17 | sidney | So I think I'll try checkinstall if it makes a file that click installable |
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| 19:58.44 | ws2k3 | how can i see see in fdisk -l whish is my boot partition ? |
| 19:58.59 | abrotman | you can't .. cat /proc/partitions |
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| 19:59.19 | abrotman | ws2k3: use that with 'mount' .. see how they match up ? |
| 19:59.37 | abrotman | ws2k3: or /etc/fstab/ |
| 19:59.42 | abrotman | uh .. no trailling / |
| 20:00.46 | ws2k3 | abrotman when i do cat /proc/partitions i see around 10 partisions how do i know whish i my boot ? |
| 20:01.13 | deed02392 | gaara, ok i've got grub on the usb stick now |
| 20:01.18 | deed02392 | but it just boots to a grub prompt |
| 20:01.27 | abrotman | ws2k3: read teh rest of what i said .. |
| 20:01.28 | deed02392 | how do I get it to boot the installed linux kernel? |
| 20:01.55 | gaara | you need to point the config/startup files |
| 20:02.01 | abrotman | deed02392: can you get grub2 to point to the grub.conf on your USB drive? |
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| 20:02.17 | gaara | exactly abro |
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| 20:03.18 | wallee | hi all, now i input a test message from a my irc client |
| 20:03.26 | wallee | just for test my irc program. |
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| 20:03.32 | wallee | :-) |
| 20:03.42 | wallee | anyone online, replay me |
| 20:03.54 | abrotman | wallee: go away, this isn't a test channel |
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| 20:04.06 | deed02392 | abrotman, how could I do that, something like: root (hd3,1) ? |
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| 20:04.21 | wallee | abrotman: :-) thanks. |
| 20:04.30 | abrotman | deed02392: your grub.conf resides in your /boot .. not sure how many partitions you have |
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| 20:05.14 | deed02392 | it must be in there abrotman, but how do I refer to /boot from a grub prompt? |
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| 20:05.47 | deed02392 | should i boot the debian installer in rescue mode and do something from there first? |
| 20:06.04 | deed02392 | that's what I did, then i did install-grub /dev/sdd1 as I tried to do in the installer when it failed |
| 20:06.20 | deed02392 | but I think i was probably supposed to specify more options to get it to boot properly |
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| 20:07.40 | n0yd | abrotman: something must me wrong with the version of the installer, I used a nightly build feb20th of the non-free firmware version. but dmesg shows nothing about eth sadly |
| 20:07.46 | abrotman | you probably didn't mean /dev/sdd1 |
| 20:07.56 | n0yd | and the installer still warns about not finding any kernel modules |
| 20:08.29 | gaara | deed : d you have gldr already and menu.lst configured? |
| 20:08.49 | n0yd | This sucks, cause i used my last good cd on the netinstall, now i gotta use dvd's if i wanna go at it again |
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| 20:09.07 | abrotman | n0yd: you don't have a spare USB stick ? |
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| 20:10.05 | n0yd | abrotman: not stick thats large enough, i do have usb media large enough.... like a 2 16gb microsd cards that i can mount through my phone, lol |
| 20:10.49 | abrotman | n0yd: the netinst is only 200MB |
| 20:11.09 | n0yd | abrotman: i know |
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| 20:11.18 | n0yd | my flkash stick is like 64mb |
| 20:11.21 | abrotman | you have a USB stick smalller than 256MB ? |
| 20:11.25 | abrotman | ouch |
| 20:11.26 | abrotman | okay |
| 20:11.41 | abrotman | n0yd: is this the part where i tell you about the bizcard installer that is 50MB ? |
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| 20:11.50 | n0yd | lol |
| 20:11.57 | n0yd | bizcard is like 70 iirc |
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| 20:12.04 | deed02392 | gaara, where would they be if i did? |
| 20:12.06 | abrotman | gah .. |
| 20:12.08 | obiwlan | good evening. today i saw a default route on one of our servers that had an asterisk (*) where the router ip should be displayed. what does that mean? i never saw it before, but it's a new system installed by a consultant who knows what he does. so i assume it's legit. |
| 20:12.17 | abrotman | !bzcard |
| 20:12.20 | abrotman | grr |
| 20:12.21 | deed02392 | i just did updatedb and locate menu.lst and no results gaara |
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| 20:12.35 | deed02392 | should i have installed it on /dev/sdd abramart |
| 20:12.38 | deed02392 | abrotman, * |
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| 20:12.43 | n0yd | are you using grub2? |
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| 20:12.50 | gaara | deed : it will be on the root/base directory |
| 20:12.55 | abrotman | n0yd: the website says it is 40MB |
| 20:12.58 | obiwlan | s/legit/legitimate |
| 20:13.00 | n0yd | hmm |
| 20:13.08 | n0yd | i will give it a look |
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| 20:13.20 | abrotman | n0yd: how old is this system ? |
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| 20:13.29 | deed02392 | i am using whatever comes on the debian squeeze install iso as 'install-grub' |
| 20:13.33 | n0yd | abrotman: at least like 6 years or so |
| 20:13.41 | abrotman | ugh .. okay |
| 20:13.42 | deed02392 | no gaara , it's not there |
| 20:13.44 | n0yd | original turion, 1gb of ram |
| 20:14.00 | gaara | ah that's not grub4dos |
| 20:14.02 | abrotman | n0yd: the squeeze bizcard should work i'd think .. for wired anyway |
| 20:14.02 | gaara | i see |
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| 20:14.18 | n0yd | abrotman: well id use a wheezy one, but ok |
| 20:14.21 | abrotman | deed02392: AIUI, installing to a USB device is the same as any other device |
| 20:14.36 | abrotman | n0yd: that may be part of the issue .. wheezy netinst is to test the installer, not install testing |
| 20:14.50 | n0yd | abrotman: lol |
| 20:14.57 | abrotman | thanks for participating in testing .. |
| 20:15.13 | n0yd | so can i choose wheezy in the bizcard? |
| 20:15.13 | deed02392 | abrotman, if that were the case i would have thought the installer wouldn't have had an issue |
| 20:15.19 | n0yd | instead of updating to wheezy |
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| 20:15.23 | n0yd | like ive done now |
| 20:15.27 | gaara | abro: he did not use auto config of bootloader when prompted and did not use root partition |
| 20:16.09 | DammitJim | I'm usinb usbmount to auto mount a usb stick |
| 20:16.21 | DammitJim | but it is mounting as root and I can't write to it as a normal user |
| 20:16.25 | abrotman | gaara: try "abro<tab>" |
| 20:16.27 | DammitJim | what can I do to fix this? |
| 20:16.33 | abrotman | irc clients are hard ... |
| 20:16.44 | gaara | tnx abrotman |
| 20:17.31 | abrotman | n0yd: see debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ .. there's a link for bizcard/netinst ISOs .. good luck |
| 20:17.36 | sacredchao | My server running Debian stable is unable to show a lot of UTF-8 characters even though my locale is supposedly UTF-8 |
| 20:17.40 | abrotman | oh .. the wheezy one is 70MB .. |
| 20:17.46 | sacredchao | on the terminal when I list files they appear as question marlks |
| 20:17.52 | abrotman | n0yd: looks like you'llhave to go witht he squeeze bizard, then upgarde .. |
| 20:18.00 | TheWarden | Is there anyone with experience with Samba shares on Debian connecting to them via Windows 7? I have it working for one account via Windows 7 but not for two others. Yet they work fine remotely connecting into the samba share via smbclient but not from Windows7. |
| 20:18.01 | n0yd | meh, screw it then |
| 20:18.07 | sacredchao | also in irssi when I try to type them they are question marks (with dark background) |
| 20:18.10 | deed02392 | gaara, i have some grub tools i can use |
| 20:18.17 | sacredchao | But once in the chat, I can see them which is strange |
| 20:18.19 | n0yd | my current wheezy is good enough |
| 20:18.40 | deed02392 | i can use grub-install, grub-mkconfig and some others |
| 20:18.45 | gaara | deed02392: what os are u using |
| 20:18.52 | deed02392 | i'm in the debian installer rescue disc now |
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| 20:19.27 | gaara | deed02392: what is the size of that stick |
| 20:19.33 | deed02392 | 4 GB |
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| 20:20.09 | gaara | deed02392: com'on brother. backup that usb and redo and use the whole thing |
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| 20:20.23 | deed02392 | how do you mean use the whole thing :/ |
| 20:20.28 | deed02392 | i am using the whole 4 gig |
| 20:20.37 | abrotman | n0yd: but you're not running wheezy now .. you're running LMDE or something else we don't support here |
| 20:20.40 | gaara | i thought u have impt files there |
| 20:20.56 | deed02392 | impt? |
| 20:21.10 | abrotman | gaara: try speaking english in this channel |
| 20:21.11 | gaara | that;s why u did not use the bootloader auto config |
| 20:21.13 | n0yd | abrotman: i am running wheezy, with crunchbang scripts on top |
| 20:21.23 | n0yd | no other repos then wheezy |
| 20:21.24 | abrotman | n0yd: right .. not Debian, not Wheezy |
| 20:21.31 | gaara | important files |
| 20:21.43 | gaara | my apologies abrotman |
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| 20:22.04 | abrotman | n0yd: if you really want Debian .. install squeeze, dist-upgrade from there .. if you do it right after the install, should be mostly painless |
| 20:22.15 | n0yd | abrotman: my end setup would be the same. Openbox, tint2, conky |
| 20:22.50 | abrotman | n0yd: that's fine .. still not supported in #debian |
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| 20:22.57 | abrotman | crunchbang i mean |
| 20:23.01 | n0yd | i didnt ask for support |
| 20:23.19 | n0yd | i asked for support on a debian installer |
| 20:23.30 | n0yd | that doesnt install :P |
| 20:23.53 | abrotman | n0yd: right .. generally, the testing netinst can be broeken on any given day .. that's why it's called testing :) |
| 20:24.11 | n0yd | heh |
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| 20:26.43 | deed02392 | ok i fixed it |
| 20:26.56 | deed02392 | i can boot from the stick and launch linux now |
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| 20:27.12 | gaara | deed02392: from the rescue mode? |
| 20:27.29 | abrotman | n0yd: i know it sucks .. generally at this point in the release cycle, we tell people that want testing to install stable and dist-upgrade because the testing netinst canbe unrealizble |
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| 20:29.02 | deed02392 | yes gaara |
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| 20:40.16 | radhus | Hey guys. I installed debian wheezy on a domU with xen-create-image, but i lacks default tools such as "dig", and "less" which normally appears on new hosts. Is there some virtual package that I can install to get those? |
| 20:40.35 | Mephisto | where are the *.deb packages stored? |
| 20:40.38 | Mephisto | please, tell me quickly. |
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| 20:41.30 | radhus | maybe you're looking for /var/cache/apt/archives ? |
| 20:41.54 | Mephisto | yep... i guess so.. |
| 20:41.55 | Mephisto | thanks |
| 20:41.58 | somiaj | radhus: look into tasksel, that is a way to install groups of packages set to a certain task. Though you may find that their tasks don't suit your needs, so you can just install your own custom list (After you create it of course) |
| 20:42.25 | somiaj | radhus: http://wiki.debian.org/tasksel |
| 20:42.31 | radhus | somiaj: yeah, I chose "ssh server" from there now, but there is no like "default base"-task. I just want my install as i usally get it when I install from a CD |
| 20:42.37 | Mephisto | the thing is... i've created my own deb, but it's not in /var/cache/apt/archives |
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| 20:42.43 | Mephisto | yet it's installed, i can see it in synaptic |
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| 20:43.14 | somiaj | radhus: what do you mean from the cd? I use the netinstall so that gives what is known as the base system. |
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| 20:43.35 | radhus | somiaj: yeah i also use netinstall, but normally "less" is provided in a newly installed system |
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| 20:43.50 | somiaj | radhus: you could install all packages of priority standard or higher, but even then you may miss things |
| 20:43.50 | radhus | i see there is a "standard", maybe thats what I am looking for |
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| 20:44.20 | somiaj | radhus: less is not included in the base system (or wasn't not sure if that changed). |
| 20:44.35 | radhus | somiaj: yeah, your link provided me with the needed info |
| 20:44.42 | radhus | somiaj: look at http://wiki.debian.org/tasksel#Sample_use :) |
| 20:44.57 | radhus | sorry, ment http://wiki.debian.org/tasksel#A.22standard.22_task |
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| 20:46.26 | somiaj | radhus: aptitude search ~pstandard |
| 20:46.34 | radhus | yep, installing |
| 20:46.37 | radhus | thank you |
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| 20:59.32 | Dev0n | hey, anyone recommend a good socks proxy server app ? |
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| 21:03.44 | GNU\colossus | Dev0n, what about OpenSSH? :) |
| 21:03.54 | GNU\colossus | other than that, there's dante |
| 21:04.11 | Dev0n | does openSSH support all socks methods ? |
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| 21:07.07 | ws2k3 | i have a RTL8111/8168B PCI how can i find out if i have the newly pached driver ? |
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| 21:07.23 | ws2k3 | because in the orginal drivers was some bugs realtek did fixed it and releashe a new driver |
| 21:07.23 | scwizard | http://linux.die.net/man/3/crypt <- it seems I don't have this man page on my system |
| 21:07.28 | scwizard | when I say "man crypt" I get not found |
| 21:07.56 | Jrz | is there awe way to increase the performance of my (boot) usb stick? |
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| 21:08.03 | engla | scwizard: install manpages-posix-dev and manpages-dev |
| 21:08.08 | scwizard | oh ok |
| 21:08.13 | Jrz | It's a 16gb usb stick, which has wheezy on it |
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| 21:08.45 | DanDare | Jrz, its taking too much? I have squeeze on a 2GB stick and boots just fine |
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| 21:09.13 | engla | Jrz: usb sticks vary in speed quite a lot, buy a fast one |
| 21:09.23 | Jrz | DanDare, nah the space is fine… I even have a fat partition on it for convenience.. But esp. apt-get install is slow |
| 21:09.39 | Jrz | engla I got this kingston micro thing… nice and without a led :-) |
| 21:09.49 | DanDare | Jrz, black and red ? |
| 21:09.54 | Jrz | blue |
| 21:09.55 | engla | one of those really short ones? |
| 21:09.55 | Jrz | :P |
| 21:10.11 | Jrz | yeah one of those "how the hell is it possible" small ones |
| 21:10.25 | engla | kingston data traveller is actually one of the fastest you can get for usb 2 |
| 21:10.31 | Jrz | can I set some more aggressive disk caching for the usb? |
| 21:10.34 | Jrz | hm |
| 21:10.43 | engla | that one is a bit slower, but not like sandisk IIRC |
| 21:10.55 | DanDare | Jrz, everythin is fine in here within the debian USB but really installing stuff seems slow, maybe much of I/O... guess its normal |
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| 21:11.19 | Jrz | it's also an atom/ion board.. it seems to have to do a lot of i/o waiting |
| 21:11.50 | Jrz | DanDare ah ok… yeah I read something about partition aligning.. usbs normally have 128k blocks (it said) |
| 21:11.51 | engla | Jrz: you can run dpkg with eatmydata.. (no fsync) |
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| 21:12.00 | DanDare | Jrz, interesting |
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| 21:12.42 | Jrz | oh nice… lol @ the pkg name :) |
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| 21:13.20 | Jrz | DanDare those blocks are the erase blocks… which seems logical… writing 4k blocks can be slow b/c of that |
| 21:13.27 | DanDare | Jrz, do you have enough RAM? Swap on the stick maybe a pain |
| 21:13.29 | Jrz | but I'm unsure if I can change my blocksize |
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| 21:13.58 | Jrz | DanDare. 2gb. . swap used: 2mb (normalle almost 0) |
| 21:14.16 | Jrz | 120mb free atm.. but I also tried putting swap on one of my data disks |
| 21:14.29 | ws2k3 | because in the orginal drivers was some bugs realtek did fixed it and releashe a new driver |
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| 21:14.37 | scwizard | is there any program to generated hashed passwords, implementing encrypt(3), like OpenBSD's "encrypt" for instance? |
| 21:16.39 | DanDare | scwizard, Im not sure if this help but there are htpasswd |
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| 21:35.29 | guardian | why do people do sudo su? |
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| 21:35.45 | guardian | am i missing something? i find it somewhat silly |
| 21:36.11 | kevlarman | guardian: if you don't have root's password |
| 21:36.17 | kevlarman | (e.g. root doesn't have one) |
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| 21:36.22 | scwizard | I get funny characters instead of formating in my man pages: a two-character string chosen from the set [a–zA–Z0–9./]. |
| 21:36.32 | scwizard | is this a termcap issue or what? |
| 21:37.11 | valdyn | guardian: try running a shell builtin with sudo |
| 21:37.29 | guardian | kevlarman: so what? there's sudo -s or sudo -i for that |
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| 21:38.07 | kevlarman | sudo -i doesn't preserve the cwd |
| 21:38.25 | engla | sudo -i is like su - |
| 21:38.37 | Jrz | no worky :( |
| 21:38.40 | TheWarden | I have a system that connects fine to SQL Server but I have another I'm setting up that will not connect to SQL Server and I receive a "Sorry an Error Occured.SQLSTATE[] (null) (severity 0)". What I have not installed for SQL Server connections to work? |
| 21:38.49 | TheWarden | In the past I've installed php5-sybase |
| 21:39.41 | TheWarden | I'm puzzled by the error and that its not working. |
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| 21:40.08 | guardian | kevlarman: alright sudo su - is same as sudo -i but preserves cwd, not sure i ever need that but good to know |
| 21:40.33 | kevlarman | guardian: i guess it's also habbit |
| 21:40.47 | kevlarman | sudo tends to do weird things to the environment |
| 21:41.04 | kevlarman | (you end up half and half) |
| 21:41.05 | engla | that's the point of sudo -i a new login so that doesn't happen |
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| 21:41.58 | TheWarden | I have two other servers running fine yet this one will not connect to SQL Server. Mmmm I compared all the packages installed I must have missed on I don't know. |
| 21:42.45 | scwizard | ok let me ask this straight up |
| 21:43.01 | scwizard | is there any sane way I can add a user with a password to the system non interactively |
| 21:43.22 | scwizard | like say I want to add a user with a random password and then email that password somewhere |
| 21:43.35 | guardian | engla, kevlarman: ok thx |
| 21:44.02 | TheWarden | I'm running PHP 5.3.3-7+squeeze8 with Suhosin-Patch |
| 21:44.56 | scwizard | TheWarden: can you connect to mysql server with the mysql command line program? |
| 21:45.52 | TheWarden | scwizard: MySQL is locally installed and operating properly. I'm trying to connect to a remote SQL Server 2000 from this system using php5-sybase (dblib). |
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| 21:46.15 | scwizard | TheWarden: yes, now what happens if you try and connect to that mysql server using the mysql command? |
| 21:46.33 | scwizard | for instance: mysql -h remote.server -u mysqluser -p |
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| 21:47.26 | scwizard | wait sql server 2000 hmm |
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| 21:47.47 | scwizard | nm what I said |
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| 21:48.02 | TheWarden | scwizard: ahhh you want me to connect to the SQL Server 2000 using the mysql client? |
| 21:48.09 | burnt | hello :) .... what is the most favoured disk imaging sw for *nix |
| 21:48.11 | burnt | tia :) |
| 21:48.12 | scwizard | yeah as I said nm |
| 21:49.01 | guardian | engla, kevlarman: and are "sudo su" and "sudo su -" equivalent? |
| 21:49.07 | TheWarden | scwizard: uknown mysql server host |
| 21:49.08 | scwizard | TheWarden, have you installed a php5 module of any sort for connecting to mssql servers? |
| 21:49.12 | guardian | i have a doubt now |
| 21:49.19 | TheWarden | scwizard: yes php5-sybase |
| 21:49.34 | scwizard | oh I thought that was something elsee |
| 21:49.36 | engla | guardian: no, see the - option to su |
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| 21:50.05 | guardian | ok |
| 21:50.17 | himuraken | guardian, from "man su" -, -l, --login |
| 21:50.17 | himuraken | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:51.10 | TheWarden | scwizard: thanks for the help... I fixed the resolve issue of the hostname. |
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| 21:51.41 | scwizard | well that's nice, although it seems that php5 module doesn't give very good error output |
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| 21:54.26 | jarray52 | I'm getting a message that the firmware for tigon/tg3_iso.bin is unavailable in the net-installer image I'm using. Is there a Debian_6.0.4 installer that contains the firmware? |
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| 21:56.01 | Mephisto | i'm trying to build Wine-1.2.3 on Squeeze. I get this: http://pastebin.com/iLM3rqhQ |
| 21:56.09 | Mephisto | what is there to do? |
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| 21:56.18 | grayghost | when I press and release the ctrl key it highlight the pointer with several circles . this is messing up vbox host key ..... where is this function enabled and disabled ? |
| 21:56.46 | nnatomltop | Hay I had a odd problem with alsa this morning. First time it has happened .. My intel HDA audio card got the jitters. Like the volume coulden't decide where it wanted to be. |
| 21:57.10 | nnatomltop | *odd |
| 22:00.53 | himuraken | grayghost, are you running beryl or compiz? |
| 22:01.33 | grayghost | How would i tell ? |
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| 22:01.47 | grayghost | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:02.24 | grayghost | Gnome . |
| 22:02.56 | himuraken | If you have any sort of desktop effect it is likely compiz that is causing the issue. I forget where in the menus you would disable it, but I think it is compiz. Let me look something up. |
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| 22:03.38 | grayghost | himuraken: thanks |
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| 22:04.20 | timg | hey guys, anyone happen to know where I can find the *debian* source for php 5.3.8? It seems no longer exist in the archives/mirrors etc.. |
| 22:04.52 | himuraken | grayghost, as root: apt-get install compizconfig-settings-manager |
| 22:05.18 | himuraken | That will install the advanced compiz gui config tool. you should be able to locate your setting/issue in there if it is indeed compiz. |
| 22:05.41 | grayghost | thanks |
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| 22:06.48 | himuraken | grayghost, do let me know if that works or not. Im curious like that XD |
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| 22:07.12 | grayghost | It is allready installed ..... how do I run it? |
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| 22:08.32 | dpierce | grayghost: 'ccsm' |
| 22:08.56 | grayghost | thanks |
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| 22:10.15 | Crowley2 | @grayghost: Isn't that an option in the gnome mouse settings??? |
| 22:10.34 | grayghost | I thought that is where it is |
| 22:10.50 | Crowley2 | But.. ? |
| 22:11.29 | grayghost | I have not found it. |
| 22:12.28 | engla | grayghost: accessibility? |
| 22:12.39 | himuraken | Try this: then go to System->Preferences->CompizConfig Settings Manager |
| 22:12.39 | himuraken | click on the accessibility button the left, then tick the box for Show mouse. by default you can enable/disable the plugin with Super-k (windows key + k) and you can also change the rotation speed, radius, and other options in the settings of the plugin. enjoy! |
| 22:12.43 | Crowley2 | Ah, good hint! |
| 22:12.54 | himuraken | LOL at the same time almost. |
| 22:12.59 | grayghost | now I have locked ou the system and will have to reboot |
| 22:13.17 | himuraken | Nothing we've done here should have locked your box. |
| 22:13.35 | himuraken | Another suggestion: then go to System->Preferences->CompizConfig Settings Manager |
| 22:13.35 | himuraken | click on the accessibility button the left, then tick the box for Show mouse. by default you can enable/disable the plugin with Super-k (windows key + k) and you can also change the rotation speed, radius, and other options in the settings of the plugin. enjoy! |
| 22:13.43 | himuraken | Shit, sorry |
| 22:13.53 | grayghost | something to do with compzi |
| 22:13.58 | himuraken | If you're not using compiz, there's an option in System -> Preferences -> Mouse in the "General" tab, as "Locate Pointer" for highlighting the cursor position by pressing ctrl. |
| 22:13.58 | himuraken | It works if you're using compiz as well, and has the advantage that you only have to press a key once (I couldn't find an option in compiz, you have to press super-k once to turn it on, then again to turn it off. |
| 22:14.04 | himuraken | Compiz is crap IMHO |
| 22:14.38 | himuraken | But thats just because it interrupts some of the other things i do so I just disable/dont use. |
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| 22:15.08 | grayghost | ctrl alt backspace fixed it. |
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| 22:15.32 | himuraken | Doesnt that kill X? |
| 22:15.53 | dpierce | himuraken: not unless you enable it |
| 22:16.03 | himuraken | Thats right, it was removed. |
| 22:16.23 | grayghost | himuraken: yes |
| 22:16.56 | jarray52 | Is the tigon/tg3_tso.bin firmware required for NetInstall to work? |
| 22:17.43 | jarray52 | assuming the message is given by the netinstaller |
| 22:19.37 | linlin | so ive got a system with 4 network interfaces, eth0 is obtained from dhcp, eth1 is 10.0.0.5, eth2 is 10.0.0.6 and eth3 is unconfigured. i have eth1 and eth2 physically connected to the same switch. if i run a ping to 10.0.0.5, and disconnect the cables for eth1 or eth2, the ping still is successful... why is that? |
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| 22:22.37 | Dev0n | is it not possible to make dante socks proxy deamon to reand from a random text file instead of the system passwd file for user auth :S ? |
| 22:23.24 | himuraken | linlin, are you pinging from said host? |
| 22:23.33 | linlin | yes |
| 22:23.37 | himuraken | Thats normal. |
| 22:23.42 | himuraken | The machine can reach itself. |
| 22:23.51 | himuraken | It doesnt use the copper to ping it self. Its internal. |
| 22:23.56 | linlin | ok thats what i figured was happening |
| 22:24.08 | linlin | is there any way to force it out onto the copper to run the ping? |
| 22:24.16 | himuraken | Ping it from another host. |
| 22:24.20 | himuraken | Or your router etc. |
| 22:24.35 | linlin | ok, no other way? |
| 22:25.22 | linlin | i understand its kind of a strange scenario, but i want the ping to fail if it doesnt have a physical connection between the nics |
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| 22:25.55 | himuraken | Not that I am aware. I think that is outside the realm of possibility. Pinging from that host is not the right way to go about that. Can you set up a script that checks and emails if the port is not active etc? That would be a better way. |
| 22:26.21 | linlin | basically im using the system to test ports on a network switch |
| 22:26.42 | linlin | my process would be to run a ping from one nic to the other, and move the cable between the ports on the switch |
| 22:26.54 | linlin | if the ping succeeds, the 2 ports are fine |
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| 22:27.14 | linlin | if it were to fail, i would know that one of the 2 ports are bad |
| 22:27.30 | himuraken | Why not start a constant ping from your host to some other IP on the switch... Then move the cable from port to port. If pings dont pick back up you have a bad switch. |
| 22:27.31 | linlin | i guess a better option would just be to use 2 physical machines |
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| 22:27.55 | himuraken | If you want to do basic link light level you could just make a loopback jack to light the port. |
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| 22:28.02 | linlin | yeah we do that already |
| 22:28.04 | himuraken | You really need two hosts. |
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| 22:28.16 | linlin | but the problem is that sometimes the loopback isnt sufficcent |
| 22:28.23 | linlin | as it doesnt really pass any traffic |
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| 22:28.57 | linlin | (i work for a company that refurbishes IT hardware, the scenario im describing would be used on a test rig for testing cisco switch ports) |
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| 22:29.04 | himuraken | Figured so. |
| 22:29.15 | himuraken | Id say you need a second host on test bench, or ping the IP of the switch |
| 22:30.04 | linlin | thats a possibility also but were attempting to not modify the virgin configs on the switches after the customer configs have been erased |
| 22:30.09 | linlin | hence, the switches dont have ips |
| 22:30.14 | himuraken | Understood. |
| 22:30.15 | linlin | ill just go the second host route |
| 22:30.19 | himuraken | Yeah, |
| 22:30.36 | linlin | the second host could be something dumb, doesnt need to be a full machine i suppose |
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| 22:30.47 | himuraken | Anything that will ping. |
| 22:31.01 | himuraken | A $40 linksys router. |
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| 22:33.17 | fooser | hi all |
| 22:34.34 | scwizard | "As stated above, MD5 sum passwords greatly reduce the problem of dictionary attack" <- was this written in the 90s or something? |
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| 22:35.57 | sinorev | I have HID support in my kernel; however, I get a message about every 30 seconds for the connect / disconnect of my Logitech USB mouse -- it says something along the lines of USB 1-1.3 low speed USB device detected. Any suggestons? |
| 22:36.03 | xwalk | Currently trying to compile conky from source. Every time I try to run ./configure, the output tells me that it cannot find my X installation. |
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| 22:38.34 | TheWarden | I have php5-odbc installed, but now I'm not sure how to connect to a SQL Server using ODBC via PHP using PDO? Anyone know of links or info I can read on the matter. |
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| 22:40.30 | kittonian | hi all |
| 22:40.38 | kittonian | i wonder if anyone can recommend a solution for me |
| 22:41.14 | kittonian | i am looking for an e-mail/calendar/contacts server that will give me the same functionality (or better) of MS Exchange with regards to sharing folders and what users can see and/or have access to |
| 22:42.02 | kittonian | for example, on Exchange I can create a folder and a bunch of sub folders and then if I only allow myself to have access to view those folders, no one else will even be able to see that they exist |
| 22:42.20 | kittonian | however, once i give someone else access to those folders they become visible to that user |
| 22:42.34 | kittonian | is there a linux solution (preferrably open source) that does this? |
| 22:42.36 | abrotman | does it have to work with outlook ? |
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| 22:42.56 | kittonian | abrotman: no |
| 22:43.01 | abrotman | can it be all web-based? |
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| 22:43.09 | kittonian | abrotman: are you referring to zimba? |
| 22:43.18 | abrotman | no, but that's one option |
| 22:43.30 | abrotman | did you try 'apt-cache search groupware' ? |
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| 22:44.05 | kittonian | i need it to work with iCal, Address Book, etc. on iPhone/iPad devices, but from the desktop it can be web based or client based. it would be great if it worked with outlook for the Mac OR even better, Apple Mail |
| 22:44.38 | abrotman | to edit .. not view |
| 22:44.40 | abrotman | did you try 'apt-cache search groupware' ? |
| 22:44.53 | kittonian | nothing i have found gives me the visibility options of exchange as i described above |
| 22:44.54 | abrotman | i have no idea about ical interoperability .. |
| 22:45.00 | kittonian | no, i did not try that search |
| 22:45.01 | abrotman | did you try asking the mac folks? |
| 22:45.37 | kittonian | i'm not concerned about asking the mac folks about compatibility until i find a solution that will do what i need it to do |
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| 22:45.53 | kittonian | once i've got that solution i can then figure out how/if it will work for mobile devices |
| 22:45.55 | abrotman | they might actually know sometihng that implements all that stuff that is open source |
| 22:46.13 | kittonian | why would i ask mac people about something i am trying to run on a linux box? |
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| 22:46.43 | abrotman | because you need the client software, and that seems to be your primary concern |
| 22:47.46 | abrotman | i'm aware of plenty of open source groupware solutions .. not a single one that works with iStuff |
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| 22:48.37 | cafuego | kittonian: I use Zimbra and it works fine with my iPhone. |
| 22:48.52 | cafuego | kittonian: I use mail via IMAP and calendars via iCal feeds. |
| 22:49.22 | cafuego | I've not bothered to open up LDAP to provide address book info |
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| 22:50.38 | TheWarden | do I need FreeTDS along with php5-odbc? |
| 22:50.50 | simonlnu | i don't know, do you? |
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| 22:50.55 | cafuego | kittonian: If you need push guff, you can plug Zimbra into z-push or somesuch |
| 22:51.14 | abrotman | TheWarden: do you need to talk to MSSQL? |
| 22:52.06 | TheWarden | abrotman: yes I do, SQL Server 20008 |
| 22:52.59 | abrotman | ODBC and FreeTDS are different tihngs IIRC |
| 22:53.15 | TheWarden | to be more specific its SQL Server 2008 Express |
| 22:53.24 | abrotman | okay .. and? |
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| 22:53.48 | TheWarden | abrotman: oh okay, well how can I make this happen using php5-odbc then? |
| 22:54.08 | TheWarden | I see the package is designed to work with PHP PDO |
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| 22:54.14 | abrotman | there are tons of docs at php.net and ##php is probably a lot of help as well |
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| 22:54.16 | kittonian | cafuego: appreciated. i do not want to an imap solution. that sort of thing is already running. what i am looking for is specifically in relation to the visibility of shared folders (e-mail, contacts, etc.) and the permissions therein, just like MS Exchange offers |
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| 22:54.36 | abrotman | uhm, imap ccan do that |
| 22:54.54 | TheWarden | abrotman: I thought there was something specific I needed to setup on the Debian system and this is why I was asking in here.. as php5-odbc uses unixODBC. |
| 22:55.50 | abrotman | probably is .. but you still have to read the docs |
| 22:56.47 | cafuego | kittonian: Yes. |
| 22:56.58 | cafuego | kittonian: Like abrotman says. |
| 22:57.21 | cafuego | has shared folders on imap on zimbra |
| 22:57.58 | abrotman | had shared folders on imap without zimbra! |
| 22:58.18 | kittonian | cafuego: while imap "can" do that, it doesn't work like exchange works. i don't want messages marked for deletion, i want someone to be able to delete a message and have it go into their trash right away and/or immediately removed. i want anyone to be able to create additional folders and assign whatever permissions they need to those folders as long as they are the folder owner/creator |
| 22:58.41 | cafuego | kittonian: So change the friggen user prefs to delete mails |
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| 22:59.09 | kittonian | ok, so zimbra will do all of this? |
| 22:59.14 | cafuego | kittonian: and yes, as a user I can share my mail folders with other uers and decide whether they're read-only or not. |
| 22:59.24 | kittonian | i'm not talking about read only or not |
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| 22:59.34 | kittonian | i'm talking about whether other users can even see that they exist |
| 22:59.42 | cafuego | kittonian: And no, it doesn't work EXACTLY LIKE exchange. Mainly because it's not exchange. Which is a good thing. |
| 22:59.56 | cafuego | kittonian: If you don't share a folder with a user, the user can't see it. |
| 23:00.31 | kittonian | ok, even if that folder is a sub folder of another folder the user has permission to see? |
| 23:00.53 | cafuego | kittonian: I don't know how fine grained that control is in Zimbra, I use the free version which has limited some of that fucntionality. |
| 23:01.07 | cafuego | Download and try it, I'd say |
| 23:01.27 | kittonian | ok, i'll give it a shot |
| 23:01.30 | kittonian | thanks for the info |
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| 23:02.18 | burnt | hey, how do I get xchat to put a time stamp next to nicks in chat |
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| 23:02.32 | abrotman | burnt: in the options, there's a checkbox for timestamp |
| 23:02.33 | burnt | chat / chan / query |
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| 23:03.42 | roe | I'm having some problems with my mdadm array: http://pastebin.com/JT132fUV |
| 23:04.09 | burnt | in prefs > chat > logging there is a timestamp thing but cant find it anywhere else! |
| 23:04.16 | burnt | abrotman, ^ |
| 23:04.17 | abrotman | that's it .. |
| 23:04.21 | abrotman | you have to restart xchat to make it work |
| 23:04.28 | burnt | its checked by default! |
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| 23:06.08 | roe | nm, fixed it |
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| 23:08.31 | burnt | abrotman, found it, preferences > interface > textbox > enable time stamps :) |
| 23:08.57 | abrotman | oh .. sorry, misread .. logging isn't interface :) |
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| 23:09.29 | burnt | hehe my fault, for not RTFMing properly |
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| 23:13.40 | Kraftzwerk | i am trying to install ttrrs on my squeeze box, but i constantly get: Unable to connect to database (as ttrss to localhost, database ttrss): Access denied for user 'ttrss'@'localhost' (using password: YES) |
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| 23:14.28 | cafuego | You should create a mysql user then |
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| 23:15.01 | Kraftzwerk | but i am quite sure i have created the user, set the password correctly, re-granted the privileges serveral times... |
| 23:15.21 | cafuego | You can test it; mysql -u ttrss -p ttrss |
| 23:15.31 | cafuego | type the passwd when prompted |
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| 23:19.07 | cafuego | How did you create the user and set the password, btw? |
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| 23:20.07 | Kraftzwerk | cafuego: using phpmysqladmin |
| 23:20.17 | cafuego | Oh. Right. |
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| 23:20.57 | Kraftzwerk | ok, so i can login using ttrss and corresponding password from the shell |
| 23:21.13 | cafuego | and that's on the same host that runs the app? |
| 23:21.19 | Kraftzwerk | correct |
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| 23:23.06 | Kraftzwerk | cafuego: have I committed some security-related sin I'm not aware of? :P |
| 23:23.19 | cafuego | Kraftzwerk: I don't know, have you? :-) |
| 23:23.38 | Kraftzwerk | not to my knowledge, no |
| 23:24.36 | ParkerR | Is there a way to uninstall unused locale to free up space? |
| 23:24.47 | ParkerR | *locales |
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| 23:26.56 | Kraftzwerk | ok, at a guess: the app expects me to enter the username, database name and the password into it's config.php. is it possible that i need to supply some password hash instead of a cleartext password? |
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| 23:27.44 | cafuego | doubts it, that would mean mysql can't check it against its internal pw |
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| 23:33.04 | Kraftzwerk | yeah, well, let's just say that it really is past time for me to finally invest those 15€ for a new keyboard |
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| 23:33.19 | cafuego | I see |
| 23:33.21 | cafuego | :-) |
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| 23:33.59 | diogo_79 | hi |
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| 23:34.09 | ws2k3 | can i safely upgrade to apache2 2.4 ? |
| 23:34.23 | ws2k3 | are there any big change where i need to calculate ? |
| 23:34.40 | bfgun | my keymaps are messed up, help! i use xfce4 as desktop environment and just installed some things to make japanese characters work and i think i messed it up |
| 23:34.49 | tim_flatus | I thought I'd experiment with chuck (the musical programming language), which for the first time I have managed to get working. Unfortunately as soon as I open up a browser to read the tutorial, Jack refuses to start. Can anyone help me to work out what's blocking alsa? |
| 23:35.10 | Alison_Chaiken | Hey dudes. Is there any way to make the debian-kde cursor larger? I've made it orange, which helps, but a big orange X would be even more better. |
| 23:35.22 | Alison_Chaiken | Guess I need to install new themes, but from where? |
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| 23:35.47 | diogo_79 | i need to compile a program from source, when i try to execute autogen debian is telling me that this package is missing, is there a deb package that install the make autogen files to allow compile? |
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| 23:35.53 | SilverSwan | Hello |
| 23:35.58 | SilverSwan | i need help |
| 23:36.01 | cafuego | diogo_79: Lots |
| 23:36.11 | bfgun | i checked this site: http://dspnet.fr.eu.org/~lonewolf/LinuxJapan/Howto_English_Japanese.html .All directional key characters and unlocked numpad keys are messed up badly. all this happened when i did 'setxkbmap es' and some error cried it could not understand '105 keyboard' or similar |
| 23:36.14 | ws2k3 | is apache2.4 already in stable ? |
| 23:36.20 | diogo_79 | can you tell me one |
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| 23:36.47 | SilverSwan | please help |
| 23:36.57 | tim_flatus | SilverSwan: ask |
| 23:37.02 | SilverSwan | I was using noveau |
| 23:37.10 | SilverSwan | and installed nvidia-glx |
| 23:37.21 | SilverSwan | i restartes as a how to said to |
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| 23:37.34 | SilverSwan | and when i boot i have no more x interface |
| 23:37.47 | SilverSwan | hardly could start inet from terminal |
| 23:37.55 | SilverSwan | and installed irssi |
| 23:38.03 | ws2k3 | is apache2.4 already in stable ? |
| 23:38.16 | SilverSwan | xrandr says it Cant open display |
| 23:38.22 | cafuego | ws2k3: Was it in when stable was released? |
| 23:38.23 | SilverSwan | ws2k3: i dont think it is |
| 23:38.30 | engla | ws2k3: apache 2.4 was released today or so? |
| 23:38.38 | ws2k3 | yeah |
| 23:38.42 | ws2k3 | releashed today |
| 23:38.44 | daemonkeeper | Yesterday. |
| 23:38.47 | SilverSwan | Cool |
| 23:38.49 | engla | ws2k3: well, stable moves a bit slower than that |
| 23:38.50 | cafuego | ws2k3: apache2.4 will never be in the current stable |
| 23:38.57 | cafuego | not. ever. |
| 23:38.58 | ws2k3 | why not ? |
| 23:39.11 | cafuego | Because it's a new version. |
| 23:39.14 | daemonkeeper | cafuego: Sure it will. Not necessarily in the current stable, of course. :) |
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| 23:39.23 | cafuego | The point to stable is what it doesn't get major version upgrades. |
| 23:39.26 | SilverSwan | i guess it will be when wheeze will be stable |
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| 23:39.53 | SilverSwan | exactly cafuego |
| 23:40.05 | cafuego | ws2k3: Is apache2.2 broken for you? |
| 23:40.22 | SilverSwan | i cant use my computer anyone helpme |
| 23:40.29 | SilverSwan | im almost crying :p |
| 23:41.05 | wolfric | where does crontab -e get stored? |
| 23:41.05 | SilverSwan | pleaseee |
| 23:41.10 | tim_flatus | SilverSwan: can you back out? and read up on how to configure x for nvidia-glx? |
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| 23:41.13 | daemonkeeper | wolfric: /var/spool/cron |
| 23:41.20 | SilverSwan | nop |
| 23:41.40 | SilverSwan | I tryed to browser with links but i cant :( |
| 23:41.49 | SilverSwan | Not at least with this resolution.. |
| 23:41.55 | wolfric | daemonkeeper: spot on thanks |
| 23:42.51 | SilverSwan | tim_flatus: can you helpme? |
| 23:43.16 | tim_flatus | SilverSwan: I've never used nvidia graphics and it's so long since I had to config xcof that my knowledge is probably out of date. |
| 23:43.21 | Kraftzwerk | SilverSwan: nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf ... comment out the section containing the nouveau driver, then restart the X server / resp. your DM |
| 23:43.33 | tim_flatus | configure xconf I meean |
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| 23:44.21 | SilverSwan | Kraftzwerk: i already tryed to edit xorg.conf |
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| 23:45.13 | SilverSwan | I i searched for him on the computer |
| 23:45.17 | SilverSwan | but isnt here |
| 23:45.25 | SilverSwan | its like its deleted |
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| 23:46.05 | SilverSwan | nearest to it its xorg.conf.d |
| 23:46.09 | SilverSwan | A directory |
| 23:46.16 | SilverSwan | but no xorg.conf in it |
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| 23:47.12 | tim_flatus | SilverSwan: what version of Debian are you running? |
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| 23:48.40 | abrotman | you'r enot supposed to have an xorg.conf |
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| 23:50.06 | Escherial | hey, anyone happen to know why after upgrading to lenny 5.0.9 my ssh daemon only accepts connections on the local network? |
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| 23:50.30 | Escherial | all the other services (http, etc.) are still accessible, and i've checked my iptables -- it's allowing everything afaict |
| 23:50.39 | ParkerR | Is it just me or is this oddly missing i386 builds http://packages.debian.org/sid/libclutter-gtk-0.10-0 |
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| 23:51.28 | engla | ParkerR: looks like a removed package |
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| 23:52.04 | ParkerR | If I could find a source for that, that would be great |
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| 23:52.09 | abrotman | Escherial: netstat -an .. where is port 22 listening ? |
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| 23:52.19 | ParkerR | Need it to build another program |
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| 23:53.34 | Escherial | abrotman: tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:22 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN |
| 23:53.43 | Escherial | seems like it's binding on all interfaces as far as i can tell |
| 23:54.12 | abrotman | Escherial: is there an error? or just not able to connect? |
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| 23:54.54 | abrotman | wonders if Escherial saw that |
| 23:54.57 | Escherial | abrotman: the connection times out if i try to access it via my machine's dns name, but it's fine if i'm on my local network and access it via its local ip |
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| 23:55.26 | abrotman | Escherial: from the machine, can you ssh to the dns name ? |
| 23:55.27 | Escherial | abrotman: all the other services are accessible via the dns name, though :\ perplexing |
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| 23:55.38 | Escherial | abrotman: good question, trying that now |
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| 23:57.04 | beardy | " upgrading to lenny" did I enter a wormhole? |
| 23:57.24 | Escherial | beardy: i'm a little behind the curve, yes :| |
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| 23:57.52 | abrotman | beardy: welcome to 2008! |
| 23:57.56 | abrotman | erm .. 9 |
| 23:58.01 | Escherial | abrotman: no dice on sshing to the dns name, but using the lan ip works |
| 23:58.22 | Escherial | (er, from the machine itself, that is) |
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| 23:58.37 | beardy | Escherial: traceroute to the dns name and the IP adress. Also, what does it resolve to? Where is the dns server? |
| 23:59.05 | Escherial | beardy: it's resolving the dns name fine, since i can access all the other services on the machine via the dns name...it's just ssh that's not working |
| 23:59.12 | abrotman | Escherial: the machine has two IPs ? |
| 23:59.59 | Escherial | abrotman: well, er, it only has one, but i'm being a NAT router, so the dns name is the router's public ip |
