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| 00:00.05 | beardy | Escherial: Any reason why you are stopping at lenny and not moving on, hoping it will work like you want next year..release? :) |
| 00:00.09 | Escherial | i'm sure i have port 22 mapped to that machine, though |
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| 00:00.41 | Escherial | beardy: it's a media center/minecraft server pc...i haven't yet found the time to upgrade it, heh :| |
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| 00:00.53 | beardy | Escherial: Apparently not. Or, your NAT:ing device shoots it out on it's wan interface, turning before it goes out back and NAT:s it in, crapping it up. |
| 00:01.16 | Escherial | beardy: possibly :\ funny that it's just ssh, though |
| 00:01.25 | Alison_Chaiken | This is an embarassing question, but I have a laptop on NAT and I don't know what to put in /etc/hostname so as not to get constant errors. |
| 00:01.34 | Escherial | is there perhaps some setting in sshd that disallows connections from non-local ips or something? |
| 00:01.35 | beardy | Escherial: Yes. |
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| 00:01.52 | abrotman | Alison_Chaiken: errors from what? |
| 00:01.56 | Escherial | i looked through /etc/ssh/sshd_config and nothing jumped out at me |
| 00:02.01 | Alison_Chaiken | I keep getting error messages from X that another user (me) is locking a file in another window. |
| 00:02.27 | Alison_Chaiken | I thought I could just put any old thing in /etc/hostname, but apparently not. |
| 00:02.43 | beardy | Escherial: No to the last one. |
| 00:02.46 | n0yd | hey guys, im having problem with my system hanging on shutdown/reboot and never even power cycling. ive asked in many channels, havent had a solution for the past week, it happens on my install every time, I dont know wtf I do to it. The shutdown looks normal, but stops here: http://minus.com/mm4IyxwRn |
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| 00:03.31 | beardy | Escherial: But look in your syslog, in case it doesn't allow it because of mismatching DNS, mismatching A and PTR that is. |
| 00:03.41 | abrotman | n0yd: you sohuld ask the crunchbang channel, we don't support that distro here |
| 00:03.44 | beardy | (should just whine, not drop, though) |
| 00:03.44 | n0yd | BTW, ive check all logs, nothing useful |
| 00:03.49 | n0yd | abrotman: i have |
| 00:03.56 | n0yd | and this isnt a crunch thing |
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| 00:04.00 | abrotman | then wait .. we still don't support crunchbang |
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| 00:04.11 | abrotman | !tell n0yd about based on debian |
| 00:04.31 | n0yd | the only thing crunch i even have on this system is a set of shell scripts, ive built the whole system from wheezy |
| 00:04.37 | abrotman | remember, we talked earlier .. i told you it was offtopic to ask about crunchbang and you said "I'm not asking for crunchbang support" .. now you are |
| 00:04.45 | n0yd | no shit |
| 00:04.53 | n0yd | and im still not |
| 00:04.59 | abrotman | it's not Debian |
| 00:05.04 | n0yd | YES it is |
| 00:05.12 | beardy | No, it isn't. EOD. |
| 00:05.23 | n0yd | its a kernel and apps pulled from debians repo |
| 00:05.36 | Escherial | huh, sudo watch /var/log/syslog apparently doesn't allow watch to run the command with escalated privileges...? |
| 00:05.38 | n0yd | I chose to take some CB scripts and add them into my system |
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| 00:05.52 | Escherial | er, that was poorly phrased; too much coffee @_@ |
| 00:05.54 | dondelelcaro | n0yd: you can do anything you want, but if it's not Debian, we don't support it here. |
| 00:05.54 | n0yd | its not like i used a crunchbang cd to install |
| 00:05.55 | abrotman | and we don't know what those scripts might have done .. not Debian |
| 00:06.07 | n0yd | omfg, they are simple tool |
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| 00:06.50 | Escherial | beardy: well, i'm not seeing anything popping up in syslog while my second connection fails |
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| 00:07.20 | beardy | Escherial: It's weird indeed. But I still suspect your NAT:ing. |
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| 00:07.30 | n0yd | jesus christ..... |
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| 00:08.01 | abrotman | Escherial: are you using iptables at all ? |
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| 00:09.19 | Escherial | abrotman: with the default most permissive settings, i.e. ACCEPT on INPUT, FORWARD, and OUTPUT (truthfully i'm not entirely sure what that means, but i recall reading somewhere that it means it's totally open to incoming and outgoing connections) |
| 00:10.01 | wolfric | hey why isn't teamspeak-server in squeeze? |
| 00:10.07 | Escherial | abrotman: here's the output of iptables -L for verification: http://dpaste.org/E6Rka/ |
| 00:10.07 | wolfric | it's in wheezy lenny and sid |
| 00:10.31 | scwizard | what's the debian mail wrapper called? |
| 00:10.41 | beardy | wolfric: Check the BTS. |
| 00:10.43 | scwizard | how does debian know what program to call when "mail" is called? |
| 00:10.43 | Escherial | i do appreciate all the help, by the way :) |
| 00:10.45 | dondelelcaro | wolfric: probably because of RC bugs; check the bts. |
| 00:10.54 | dondelelcaro | notes that for some reason, it's not even compiled for amd64 |
| 00:10.58 | beardy | scwizard: The alternatives system I presume. |
| 00:11.01 | beardy | !alternatives |
| 00:11.02 | dpkg | [alternatives] the way Debian manages multiple applications with the same function. For more info, man update-alternatives. Have a look at the galternatives package or ask me about <update-alternatives> <java alternatives>. |
| 00:11.11 | wolfric | beardy: sorry but how exactly? |
| 00:11.25 | beardy | !update-alternatives |
| 00:11.26 | dpkg | update-alternatives is a tool for creating, removing, maintaining and displaying information about the symbolic links comprising the Debian <alternatives> system. The galternatives package provides a graphical front-end. |
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| 00:11.40 | beardy | wolfric: With symlinks. |
| 00:11.40 | dondelelcaro | wolfric: bugs.debian.org/teamspeak-server;archived=both |
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| 00:12.22 | beardy | (Wrong nick, sorry.) |
| 00:12.31 | dondelelcaro | or rather, http://bugs.debian.org/teamspeak-server;archive=both |
| 00:12.35 | abrotman | scwizard: readlink -f $(which mail) |
| 00:12.49 | dondelelcaro | wolfric: specifically, #435707 #598305 |
| 00:12.58 | abrotman | Escherial: you could have just told me the iptables were completely empty :) |
| 00:13.28 | Escherial | abrotman: apologies, i'm not too familiar with it, heh...but yes, totally empty :3 |
| 00:13.41 | scwizard | abrotman, in my case, I want programs that send mail to call a custom wrapper script that calls msmtp |
| 00:14.00 | abrotman | scwizard: okay .. ls -l $(which mail) .. where does it point ? |
| 00:14.10 | scwizard | /usr/bin/heirloom-mailx |
| 00:14.18 | abrotman | scwizard: no .. it popints somewhere else |
| 00:14.33 | scwizard | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 22 Feb 22 19:11 /usr/bin/mail -> /etc/alternatives/mail |
| 00:14.40 | scwizard | ok |
| 00:14.52 | scwizard | strange that readlink -f gives /usr/bin/heirloom-mailx |
| 00:14.58 | abrotman | scwizard: so you'd add your script as an alternative for that |
| 00:15.06 | abrotman | scwizard: ls -l /etc/alternatives/mail |
| 00:15.08 | scwizard | ok I think I see |
| 00:15.13 | abrotman | follow the chain |
| 00:15.25 | scwizard | ahh |
| 00:15.27 | wolfric | wait so this bug was fixed in a later version of teamspeak so instead of fix it, just remove the whole package and wait for the new version? really? |
| 00:15.53 | abrotman | scwizard: if you 'man readlink', the -f option might make more sense as to why it pointed someplace different |
| 00:15.57 | beardy | wolfric: It will never happen again when you have assisted the packager. |
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| 00:16.06 | scwizard | yeah I understand why it pointed to where it did |
| 00:16.18 | scwizard | kk ima go read up on the alternatives system now |
| 00:16.22 | wolfric | beardy: i don't get you |
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| 00:19.13 | cheako | Can any one recommend a keyboard or are they all the same? I dropped some water on mine and perhaps it's time to upgrade... Though I'm likelly going to look at wallmart and target, since it'll be 7pm by the time I can get out. |
| 00:20.12 | Escherial | beardy, abrotman: grawgableargh |
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| 00:20.42 | Escherial | apparently, my router's software is deplorably bad; removing and readding the port forwarding rule (it's literally exactly the same thing) fixed the problem |
| 00:21.16 | cheako | I've used a ps2 keyboard on my gaming rig forever as I didn't want USB packets to delay key-presses. However it looks like that is not going to be an option. |
| 00:21.27 | Escherial | thanks for all of your help, and my apologies that the solution had nothing to do with debian at all :| |
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| 00:23.24 | abrotman | Escherial: enjoy! :) |
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| 00:24.09 | abrotman | cheako: just wait for it to dry out? and they do sell PS/2 if you can wait for it to be delivered |
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| 00:25.33 | Diogo_79 | Hi |
| 00:26.08 | sen4ik | hey |
| 00:26.25 | Diogo_79 | How are you |
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| 00:26.39 | cafuego | cheako: And you think you'll actually notice a delay in keypresses between ps2 and usb? |
| 00:27.36 | cheako | cafuego: not me, but a 10/100 network card might... |
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| 00:28.22 | cheako | cafuego: A delay anywhere along the line could make the diffrence from scoring points to being defeated in an online game. |
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| 00:31.07 | cheako | abrotman: Placing an order is in the post. I'm just a bit surprised to notice that I don't have a spare lying around. |
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| 00:38.58 | Maccer | Question, what does debian look from a default installation? I've only used some server variants of debian, so I don't know. I just want basic pacakges and aptitude. |
| 00:39.34 | nkuttler | Maccer: server variants? |
| 00:39.57 | dondelelcaro | Maccer: there's only one Debian; what you have installed depends on what you select to install |
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| 00:40.00 | nkuttler | Maccer: if you only click enter during the install you'll have gnome installed afaik |
| 00:40.10 | nkuttler | or type.. |
| 00:40.18 | Maccer | Debian squeeze from my VPS. |
| 00:40.31 | Maccer | Ah. |
| 00:40.32 | Maccer | I heard there's expert mode like in bsd, might as well use that. |
| 00:40.47 | nkuttler | Maccer: you don't really need the expert mode to select packages |
| 00:41.18 | engla | you can install whatever and then completely replace it too |
| 00:41.26 | nkuttler | Maccer: there's a "task" selection during install, just don't select any of the tasks and you can install what you want later |
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| 00:41.46 | Maccer | hrm, alrighty |
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| 00:54.00 | me-1 | hi...from where i can download Debian in .img format so that I can make an USB installer..? |
| 00:54.56 | Kamping_Kaiser | should be on the mirrors with other install media |
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| 00:55.11 | peterS | me-1: the regular install .iso files can be written to USB these days. the boot loader in them supports both CD-ROM and USB. |
| 00:55.29 | peterS | me-1: I believe this has been true since the squeeze (debian 6) release |
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| 00:56.24 | me-1 | peterS, how can I write an iso on usb . I am on windows 7 |
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| 00:56.57 | peterS | me-1: I'm not sure ... but the same way you'd write any raw disk image. if you have to rename the file to end in .img or whatever, do that. |
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| 00:58.31 | me-1 | I think its safe to download .img file if anybody cean please provide link from where I can do that |
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| 00:58.50 | peterS | me-1: what is this ".img" format you speak of, anyway? |
| 00:58.54 | ironhalik | Hello - any idea why I would loose 'top' and 'free'? The path is ok, and most of other stuff is working |
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| 00:59.20 | peterS | me-1: If it is just a raw disk image, try simply renaming the .iso file to end in .img, since that is what the .iso files are - raw disk images |
| 00:59.45 | ParkerR | tee ftw :D |
| 01:00.20 | somiaj | me-1: unetbootin is a tool for that, but I have heard people have mixxed results. I haven't ever used the program. |
| 01:00.46 | peterS | looks like people use https://launchpad.net/win32-image-writer/+download for this purpose |
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| 01:01.22 | forgotten | whats a good secure easy mail server to setup/admin? |
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| 01:02.01 | peterS | this is some sort of 'good, secure, easy, pick 2' question, isn't it |
| 01:02.07 | me-1 | I am going to use universal USB installer for windows . which has support for " debian-live-6.0*gnome-desktop.iso" only |
| 01:02.33 | forgotten | peterS: umm.. yes? |
| 01:02.57 | gkaklas | me-1, If you visit the download page of ubuntu website and click on try it from a usb stick it will show you instructions on how to do it. However i am not sure if this applies only for linux distros iso files... |
| 01:03.56 | me-1 | gkaklas, i know that how it works but question is where to download debian-live-6.0*gnome-desktop.iso |
| 01:04.12 | peterS | gkaklas: it applies to iso files that were built with tools that produce an image that is bootable both as a CD-ROM and as a disk. debian 6 .iso files are built this way. previous debian releases were not, and probably many other installers were not |
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| 01:05.05 | peterS | I think I give up. <me-1> I need a .img file <peterS> try renaming the .iso to .img <me-1> where can I find a .img file???!??!? |
| 01:05.20 | dwon | forgotten: Depends on what you think is "easy", but I've found postfix to be pretty decent. |
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| 01:06.28 | me-1 | peterS, i am not looking for .img anymore but debian-live-6.0*gnome-desktop.iso . from where i can download |
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| 01:06.47 | gkaklas | me-1, to download the debian iso visit the official debian webpage... |
| 01:06.53 | k-man | how do i go about setting up virtual domains in apache under debian? |
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| 01:07.48 | dwon | me-1: http://live.debian.net/ |
| 01:07.51 | peterS | k-man: the official way: copy /etc/apache2/site-available/default to another file in /etc/apache2/sites-available |
| 01:08.08 | peterS | k-man: then edit your copy to express the virtual host stuff you want |
| 01:08.38 | peterS | k-man: then use 'a2ensite' to create the symlink to mods-enabled (or you can symlink it yourself) |
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| 01:08.45 | k-man | peterS, ok thanks |
| 01:08.45 | gkaklas | are we allowed to send links here? i am new in the channel... |
| 01:09.12 | dwon | gkaklas: to spam? no. To answer people's questions? why not? |
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| 01:09.55 | k-man | peterS, there is not much in default that shows how to make a virtual host that i can see |
| 01:10.02 | k-man | is there an example somewhere? |
| 01:10.22 | gkaklas | dwon, Just to be sure, some servers don't allow links at all... |
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| 01:10.28 | k-man | oh wait, even default is a virtual host - i get it now |
| 01:10.35 | peterS | k-man: the main thing is, you want to keep the <VirtualHost *:80> and </VirtualHost> lines at the top and bottom. inside, 'ServerName' is the thing that expresses the virtual hostname in question. 'DocumentRoot' is where it looks for html files. |
| 01:11.27 | somiaj | k-man: /usr/share/doc/apache2/examples/apache2/httpd-vhosts.conf (there are examples in there too) |
| 01:11.28 | peterS | you can probably remove most of the rest of the contents you copied from 'default', like the /doc/ alias stuff |
| 01:11.41 | k-man | somiaj, thanks |
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| 01:12.52 | peterS | somiaj: hmmm on my install that file is /usr/share/doc/apache2.2-common/examples/apache2/extra/httpd-vhosts.conf |
| 01:13.39 | somiaj | peterS: seems I have it in both places |
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| 01:13.46 | somiaj | (running sid) |
| 01:14.23 | peterS | somiaj: huh. who owns that dir? dpkg -S /usr/share/doc/apache2 |
| 01:14.25 | somiaj | though apache2 is just a metapackage |
| 01:14.36 | somiaj | wonder if it is left around from an older version |
| 01:14.40 | peterS | ahh, probably I just don't have that metapackage |
| 01:14.41 | dwon | gkaklas: ah. I've never seen that on IRC, but that's probably because I hang out on technical channels like #debian, and it blocking URLs in a tech help channel would make the channel pretty useless. :) |
| 01:14.54 | k-man | so i could just copy the bits between the <virtualHost> tags and make my own from that |
| 01:14.54 | dwon | s/it// |
| 01:15.36 | peterS | k-man: that's the idea. of course there's a zillion apache config directives most of which you will never need to care about, see docs at httpd.apache.org for all the gory details |
| 01:15.37 | somiaj | peterS: hmm, seems as if nothing owns that file on my machine, /usr/share/doc/apache2/examples must have been left there from a privious version. |
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| 01:15.55 | somiaj | k-man: also notice peterS comment about where the actual example files are located. (: |
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| 01:16.04 | peterS | somiaj: of course dpkg -S only knows about files installed with a package, it's possible that a metapackage somewhere creates a symlink |
| 01:16.19 | peterS | as a postinst step, e.g. |
| 01:16.48 | somiaj | peterS: ahh ha, yea /usr/share/doc/apache2 is just a link |
| 01:16.54 | dwon | http://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=contents&keywords=httpd-vhosts.conf&mode=path&suite=stable&arch=any |
| 01:16.58 | dwon | says it's in apache2.2-common |
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| 01:19.18 | somiaj | dwon: yea a link was leading me astray, I was just using tab complete to find it. (: |
| 01:19.41 | k-man | what is ServerName vs ServerAlias? |
| 01:19.57 | dwon | k-man: You can only have one ServerName; you can have multiple ServerAlias(es) |
| 01:20.16 | dwon | (and you must have a ServerName)... it's a bit bizarre, but *shrug* |
| 01:20.35 | dwon | k-man: Here's one of my virtualhost files: http://pastebin.com/S8cbugrc |
| 01:20.40 | innociv | What the heck. When I try to apt-get install sudo, it asks for the cd to be put in the drive. |
| 01:20.46 | innociv | I'm accessing a remote server. |
| 01:20.55 | somiaj | innociv: you must still have some cdrom sources left around |
| 01:20.59 | k-man | thanks dwon |
| 01:21.01 | dwon | innociv: heh. comment out the line in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 01:21.04 | somiaj | innociv: check /etc/apt/sources.list and remove the cdrom lines |
| 01:21.27 | Kamping_Kaiser | dwon: nothing bizzare about a server having aliases |
| 01:21.37 | dwon | k-man: it's probably way more than you need, and the maths might not be useful for you (my /var/www is non-standard), but I figured you might find it useful |
| 01:21.39 | innociv | Now it does unable to locate. What package do I need in sources? I just have security |
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| 01:21.55 | somiaj | innociv: you must have not set up internet sources then |
| 01:22.15 | somiaj | !tell innociv about squeeze sources.list |
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| 01:22.52 | innociv | Thanks |
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| 01:23.27 | dwon | good grief, I can't spell. k-man: "and the maths might not be useful" should be "and it might not be useful" |
| 01:23.33 | dwon | I don't even say, "the maths". I'm Canadian. |
| 01:24.21 | BlastHardcheese | the iraq and things such as |
| 01:24.35 | Kamping_Kaiser | dwon: hehe |
| 01:25.20 | k-man | dwon, do i need this line NameVirtualHost *:80 from the examples? |
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| 01:25.28 | k-man | apache complains about it |
| 01:26.11 | dwon | k-man: yes (well, unless you want IP-address based virtual hosting...), but you only need it once, globally. it's in one of my other config files |
| 01:26.27 | k-man | dwon, ah ok, i commented it out and it seems to be working now |
| 01:26.49 | dwon | BlastHardcheese: heh :) Miss USA? |
| 01:26.51 | k-man | my wiki is now available from wiki.myhostname |
| 01:26.53 | k-man | thanks dwon |
| 01:27.06 | dwon | BlastHardcheese: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QBv2CFTSWU |
| 01:27.10 | Kamping_Kaiser | k-man: what wiki are you setting up? |
| 01:27.23 | dwon | k-man: great! |
| 01:27.37 | k-man | Kamping_Kaiser, oh its just my internal wiki at my business - just for documenting internal stuff |
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| 01:28.16 | Kamping_Kaiser | k-man: fair enough. i just went through a moinmoin migration, so everyone else working on wikis is a sign :p |
| 01:28.21 | Kamping_Kaiser | s/everyone/anyone |
| 01:28.22 | k-man | btw, do you guys set up an internal intranet TLD? |
| 01:28.36 | k-man | Kamping_Kaiser, on right, i use mediawiki |
| 01:28.45 | Kamping_Kaiser | yep, have done at everywhere i wokr |
| 01:28.47 | Kamping_Kaiser | *work |
| 01:28.50 | k-man | its a good selling point that once i train someone in that, they can use it for editing wikipedia |
| 01:28.51 | Kamping_Kaiser | ed |
| 01:28.52 | Kamping_Kaiser | -.- |
| 01:28.59 | Kamping_Kaiser | yup |
| 01:29.07 | k-man | whats moin moin like? |
| 01:29.51 | Kamping_Kaiser | syntax is largely the same, written in python, bit slower. i've spent all of 2 hours adminstering a moinmoin wiki, so i dont' know much about it |
| 01:30.03 | Kamping_Kaiser | needs to head off |
| 01:30.11 | Kamping_Kaiser | bbl, unless irl gets me |
| 01:30.21 | Kamping_Kaiser | k-man: gl, ping me later if you cant' get answers :) |
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| 01:58.44 | innociv | What is the "correct" way that I should be editing the iptables rules and saving them? |
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| 02:01.08 | abrotman | innociv: IIRC, wiki.debian.org/Iptables |
| 02:01.51 | innociv | !iptables |
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| 02:01.52 | dpkg | [iptables] The user-space process used to administer iptables kernel parts on top of netfilter. Ask me about <netfilter docs>. For a proper Debian-way of setting up iptables, see http://wiki.debian.org/iptables . http://netfilter.org/ #netfilter on irc.freenode.net. See also <ferm>, <lartc>, <masq>, <ulogd>. |
| 02:01.55 | Maccer | What does "standard system utilities" install? |
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| 02:02.47 | abrotman | innociv: right .. the wiki |
| 02:02.53 | abrotman | Maccer: in tasksel ? |
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| 02:03.14 | Maccer | I guess so. Is that what the UI called that the installer launched? |
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| 02:03.25 | innociv | ty |
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| 02:04.01 | bugger | hi all - is anyone familiar with ibus? i've got mozc installed for japanese input but also need the chinese pinyin and chinese simplified stuff available |
| 02:04.12 | bugger | i've installed them with apt-get but they don't appear in the ibus menu |
| 02:04.34 | abrotman | Maccer: it's generally stuff you'll need anyway .. or end up installing later |
| 02:05.01 | Maccer | http://wiki.debian.org/tasksel#A.22standard.22_task |
| 02:05.19 | Maccer | I see. I don't need some of those things. What evs. I need a really lite workstation. |
| 02:08.00 | Maccer | 2.6.32 kernel on squeeze? That's odd. |
| 02:08.01 | innociv | I still get permission denied if I try to "sudo iptables-save > /etc/iptables.up.rules" |
| 02:08.38 | innociv | do I just need to touch it first or what? |
| 02:09.25 | abrotman | innociv: you need to learn how sudo and permissions work |
| 02:09.29 | abrotman | Maccer: that's normal |
| 02:09.51 | Maccer | abrotman: Why? When squeeze came out, I'm sure we were at 3.0-3.2 or something |
| 02:10.20 | innociv | I know it's just root's file or something. But how can I run that command without logging into root? |
| 02:10.23 | Maccer | Oh well, time to build my own kernel. I'll probably have to change the boot paths |
| 02:10.25 | abrotman | uhhuh .. i'm sure that a year ago there was a 3.2 kernel .. gotcha |
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| 02:17.34 | somiaj | innociv: you an either do somethig like sh -c "foo > bar", or sudo iptables-save | sudo tee /etc/foo |
| 02:18.09 | abrotman | way to take the learning out of it ... |
| 02:18.14 | innociv | ah I was trying to "sudo sh "cmd"" |
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| 02:18.41 | innociv | But I did su and logged into root to do it. |
| 02:18.57 | nvz | beardy: was it you whom I was talkin to about the gimp? |
| 02:19.21 | beardy | nvz: Yep. Among others. |
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| 02:19.53 | engla | Maccer: there is a much newer kernel in backports |
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| 02:20.37 | nvz | beardy: ah cause I just realized you can right click an image and get the menus with tearoffs |
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| 02:20.52 | nvz | even though the actual menus don't have tearoffs |
| 02:20.58 | beardy | nvz: Ah, I'll try to remember it, great! |
| 02:21.41 | nvz | beardy: try being the keyword.. heh.. I'm pretty sure after seeing that just now that I've seen it before and forgot |
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| 02:28.19 | jexmex | anyway to get mono-runtime >= 2.10.1 |
| 02:29.18 | beardy | nvz: Yes, and I'm working and sleeping so.. I guess I'd have noticed next time gimp:ing too perhaps. :) |
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| 02:31.10 | innociv | How do I zip up a folder, minus a certain folder in it? I know "gzip -r name folder" would be everything. Do I need to copy the folder and delete what I don't need out of it before gzipping? |
| 02:31.49 | peterS | you don't use gzip, for one. gzip does not zip 'a folder', it only compresses individual files |
| 02:31.55 | engla | innociv: I don't think gzip -r does what you think |
| 02:32.02 | beardy | innociv: You use tar, and tar's manual tells you about --exclude |
| 02:32.06 | OldParr | how do set boot options automatically ? |
| 02:32.07 | innociv | it zips the folder recursively? |
| 02:32.07 | peterS | you may be thinking of 'zip' |
| 02:32.15 | innociv | k |
| 02:32.22 | engla | innociv: each file individually, recursively.. |
| 02:32.38 | peterS | same compression algorithm, but different package, different file format, different implementation |
| 02:32.49 | OldParr | boot options automatcally in a persistent live system? |
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| 02:34.25 | innociv | --exclude is regexp? |
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| 02:35.09 | xoz | why does sudo bash reads my root/.bashrc instead of ~/.bashrc which used to be the default? |
| 02:35.10 | beardy | innociv: Glob pattern. |
| 02:35.22 | innociv | I don't know what that means |
| 02:35.57 | xoz | is using squeeze |
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| 02:37.13 | Kamping_Kaiser | xoz: used to be meaning? lenny? |
| 02:37.42 | xoz | Kamping_Kaiser: yep. and default dir after sudo bash is user dir not root die |
| 02:37.47 | beardy | innociv: It means, a pattern that shells use, to exclude all folders called foo1, foo2, foobar43 and so on: --exclude="foo*" To exclude only bar1 to bar99: --exclude="bar??" |
| 02:37.48 | xoz | s/die/dir |
| 02:38.06 | Kamping_Kaiser | xoz: i suspect its changed the environment handling because of the problems people cause running sudo bash. |
| 02:38.20 | Kamping_Kaiser | xoz: i've not seen anything to confirm/deny that though |
| 02:38.30 | beardy | innociv: Basically a pattern with the "?" wildcard for one character, and "*" for everything, however long. |
| 02:38.58 | beardy | innociv: So you might need several --exclude:s if you can't define everything with one pattern. |
| 02:39.08 | innociv | Ok |
| 02:39.10 | xoz | Kamping_Kaiser: i've noticed this fluctuation of changes before. im not really sure if it's my config. can you try sudo bash and cd ~ to check where it defaults? |
| 02:39.17 | Kamping_Kaiser | innociv: and always check your tarball contains the files you want after --excluding (: |
| 02:39.39 | Kamping_Kaiser | xoz: sudo bash does as you describe, cd ~ goes to roots home |
| 02:39.41 | innociv | I just need to not package a folder named "images". |
| 02:39.46 | innociv | well i can -v to see the list. |
| 02:39.46 | nvz | beardy: you're rather talented if you can be working, sleeping, and doing support on IRC at the same time |
| 02:39.50 | xoz | Kamping_Kaiser: in squeeze? |
| 02:39.54 | Kamping_Kaiser | xoz: yes |
| 02:39.59 | Kamping_Kaiser | 6.0.4 |
| 02:40.03 | beardy | innociv: 'man 7 glob' ! Excellent documentation. |
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| 02:40.19 | nvz | beardy: I'm pretty good at multitasking but there aren't many things I can do while I sleep |
| 02:40.23 | engla | xoz: man page says it's configurable |
| 02:40.25 | Kamping_Kaiser | beardy: awesome, didn't realise globs have a man page |
| 02:40.26 | beardy | nvz: The sleeping and working are toggleable, right now working. ;) |
| 02:40.29 | xoz | Kamping_Kaiser: thanks. that's odd. because it should inherit user env not root env |
| 02:40.33 | beardy | Kamping_Kaiser: Me neither :) |
| 02:40.43 | xoz | engla: ok. thanks |
| 02:40.51 | Kamping_Kaiser | beardy: we are now wiser :) |
| 02:40.52 | xoz | engla: im just surprised they changed the default. |
| 02:41.10 | tsccof | do APT and aptitude use the same database? |
| 02:41.16 | Kamping_Kaiser | vanishes, probably for a long time |
| 02:41.20 | Kamping_Kaiser | 'later all |
| 02:41.52 | Maccer | Wait what? Why does debian need my cd to apt-get install sudo? lol. |
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| 02:42.08 | innociv | wprled fome/ |
| 02:42.18 | tsccof | Maccer: because it's not properly configured :P |
| 02:42.19 | xoz | steals Kamping_Kaiser cloth of invisibility |
| 02:42.20 | aidalgol | Maccer: Probably because there's a CD in your sources.list |
| 02:42.33 | aidalgol | And sudo is on the CD. |
| 02:42.47 | engla | xoz: sounds good, preserving HOME doesn't lead to much good |
| 02:44.41 | xoz | engla: discomfort like editing something using vim and does not use my vim defaults because it will read root home :( |
| 02:45.01 | engla | xoz: sudoedit |
| 02:46.00 | engla | xoz: sudoedit is a much better way to go about it, runs the editor with regular user privilegies. only remember you need to :wq for the changes to be put in place |
| 02:46.12 | xoz | engla: my vim configs are not used... and many other configs in my home. sudo bash now behaves like su root :( |
| 02:46.45 | beardy | Kamping_Kaiser: I guess you knew about regex(7)? If not, another level. |
| 02:47.21 | xoz | engla: or su root now behaves similar to the old sudo bash. woot! |
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| 02:48.31 | beardy | It's better that it is uncomfortable and cumbersome working as root, because you shouldn't be doing it. |
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| 02:50.49 | zykotick9 | beardy: what? this isn't ubuntu ;) i think sudo is a bigger danger then suing to root |
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| 02:52.46 | bellman | ssh -l root all day every day |
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| 02:55.18 | tsccof | zykotick9: I agree |
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| 02:55.57 | xoz | engla: i wonder how to set the env variable to make it behave as i want it... |
| 02:56.12 | xoz | engla: i'm refering to sudo config |
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| 02:59.15 | engla | xoz: it's in the sudoers file |
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| 03:01.05 | xoz | engla: you mean the SUDO_USER env? |
| 03:01.45 | engla | xoz: no the sudoers file, man sudoers |
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| 03:02.03 | xoz | engla: ok. i was reading the manpage of sudo :) |
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| 03:15.41 | xoz | engla: env_keep? |
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| 03:24.31 | Lint | where can I find sid isos? |
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| 03:24.47 | pldtoptx | Hello |
| 03:27.20 | Lint | where are SID ISOs? |
| 03:27.51 | pldtoptx | Hello :) |
| 03:28.42 | somiaj | Lint: you must not understand what sid is. There are not installers for sid as it is not an release. |
| 03:28.57 | pldtoptx | Hello |
| 03:29.04 | pldtoptx | is there anyone can help me |
| 03:29.17 | abrotman | help you what? |
| 03:29.30 | Lint | so I need install debian 6 and upgrade manually? |
| 03:29.37 | abrotman | that's one method |
| 03:29.56 | somiaj | Lint: that is the prefered way to install sid. Though if you have to ask you may want to spend sometime on stable learning how debian does things before you use a system that will break sooner or later when you upgrade. |
| 03:30.06 | pldtoptx | can you help me to make many viewers to this youtube video |
| 03:30.07 | pldtoptx | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gb1ZpvkduhA&feature=youtu.be |
| 03:30.08 | somiaj | Lint: you could use debootstrap for sid directally. |
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| 03:44.36 | karlpinc | aristarchus: Firewall? Listening ports? The logs are your friend. |
| 03:44.59 | jarray52 | Anyone know the cause of this error? http://dpaste.com/707086/ |
| 03:45.20 | aristarchus | karlpinc: i just disabled firestarter and tried it again, still nothing |
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| 03:46.21 | jarray52 | My machine is beeping constantly and the shell outputs that error incessantly. Surprisingly, the machine works otherwise. I didn't get these errors with Ubuntu. I imagine it's an issue with this particular kernel(Debian stable 6.0.4). |
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| 03:47.46 | jarray52 | Anyway to supress the beeping or shell output? |
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| 03:48.13 | vbrummond | jarray52: first check alsamixer to ensure its not a sound card beep |
| 03:48.49 | vbrummond | second add the line: blacklist pcspkr to the file /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf |
| 03:49.10 | jarray52 | http://dpaste.com/707087/ |
| 03:49.13 | vbrummond | and then run: modprobe -r pcspkr (obviously as root) |
| 03:49.21 | aristarchus | karlpinc: which log file? |
| 03:49.53 | vbrummond | oh i see; odd |
| 03:49.57 | vbrummond | scratch what I said |
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| 03:50.53 | jarray52 | vbrummond: I'm fairly sure it isn't alsamixer, but you may be right. What does the blacklist command do? |
| 03:51.07 | vbrummond | no my bad i didnt see your first post, that is merely how to stop the beep |
| 03:51.18 | vbrummond | (im half awake, forgive me) :P |
| 03:51.35 | jarray52 | vbrummond: No worries. The beep is irritating. Will the blacklist stop it? |
| 03:51.47 | vbrummond | should; but this wont fix the problem ^_^ |
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| 03:52.22 | vbrummond | unless its a low level thing in the system itself but that is unlikely |
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| 03:52.48 | vbrummond | what kernel are you running? 2.6.32? I would try the one from Debian backports |
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| 03:54.47 | vbrummond | also this might be relevant: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/linux/kernel/1167424#1167424 |
| 03:58.00 | jarray52 | vbrummond: Anyway to prevent the shell output? |
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| 03:58.24 | jarray52 | makes implementing a patch difficult |
| 03:58.26 | Lint | what can 'BASE SYSTEM' do? |
| 03:59.20 | vbrummond | in the thread i linked they mentioned a bios option; i would check that out. also the newer kernel might include the patch without needing to compile yourself http://backports-master.debian.org/Instructions/ |
| 03:59.44 | vbrummond | as for quieting shell warnings; i never had to do so, so i am unsure hwo |
| 03:59.48 | vbrummond | how* |
| 04:00.37 | jarray52 | vbrummond: The link was great. I looked through BIOS extensively before posting. Unfortunately, this BIOS doesn't have the option. |
| 04:01.03 | vbrummond | ok, darn :( |
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| 04:03.52 | chipotle_ | hi, what is the best gui based nzb downloader for debian? |
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| 04:04.42 | LV-426 | is there any tool to help generate a minimal kernel configuration (,config) based on 'lspci -n' output ? |
| 04:05.28 | crond | Hi, is there a way for me to have the kernel give more priority to my desktop processes, and less to background file processes? Doing any large file operation basically locks up my desktop until it's done. |
| 04:05.37 | Maccer | 33 MB of RAM with HTOP running under a quasi-minimal debian installation. Mutters |
| 04:05.47 | crond | Which would be GREAT on a server, but not so much on my home desktop :P |
| 04:05.52 | jarray52 | vbrummond: Do you happen to know what package gives a newer kernel? |
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| 04:07.46 | vbrummond | jarray52: if you add the debian backports repo simply run: apt-get -t squeeze-backports install linux-image-2.6-yourarch/flavour (such as 686-pae or amd64) |
| 04:08.39 | vbrummond | LV-426: all i know of is make localmodconfig which removes all modules except ones your system is using, i do not think it will unmark default or hard enabled options |
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| 04:09.52 | vbrummond | crond: look into cgroups/autogroup or ulatencyd; also you could use nice/ionice on certain processes |
| 04:10.43 | LV-426 | crond, grep CONFIG_PREEMPT /boot/config* |
| 04:10.51 | Lint | which kernel is better: linux or kfreebsd? |
| 04:11.05 | crond | vbrummond, thank you :) |
| 04:11.09 | somiaj | vbrummond: you can also get a 3.2 kernel from backports as well. |
| 04:11.21 | vbrummond | Lint: which candy is better? lemonheads or liquorish |
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| 04:11.38 | aristarchus | nevermind got it |
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| 04:11.40 | Lint | do they both work? |
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| 04:11.49 | vbrummond | its all what you need; if you dont know/care, use linux :P |
| 04:12.26 | vbrummond | of course they both work but freebsd is just a (functional) technology preview as of squeeze, linux is fully supported |
| 04:12.36 | LV-426 | vbrummond, that's a start, thanks |
| 04:13.11 | vbrummond | np ^^ |
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| 04:18.02 | Matiasu__ | Hello |
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| 04:18.36 | roe | I'm trying to add a partition to a mdadm array: http://pastebin.com/S3J6dUM6 |
| 04:18.41 | roe | but I'm having some trouble |
| 04:18.45 | Matiasu__ | I'm trying to install a vnc server. when I start it it says "Please set correct fontPath in the vncserver script.". I couldn't find how to fix that |
| 04:19.23 | Matiasu__ | this is the error actually: Couldn't start Xtightvnc; trying default font path. \n Please set correct fontPath in the vncserver script. |
| 04:20.27 | jarray52 | vbrummond: Backports doesn't show any kernels when I run aptitude search -t squeeze-backports linux-kernel |
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| 04:22.34 | jarray52 | I'm only seeing liblinux-kernelsort-perl, linux-kernel-headers, and linux-kernel-log-daemon. |
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| 04:24.57 | NotJimCarrey | i have putty set to login with a keyfile, and i'm trying to get it to auto run an X environment command. I have a script with "#!/bin/bash|export DISPLAY=:0.0|xbmc" but it won't start the program, although it will if i ssh in normally and run the script |
| 04:25.27 | jarray52 | Is there an easy way to redirect syslogd to /dev/null instead of the shell? |
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| 04:27.02 | Lint | where can I see a chart/coverage of debian console fonts? |
| 04:27.35 | vbrummond | jarray52, its there |
| 04:27.36 | crond | vbrummond, got ulatencyd set up and running, thank you very much! |
| 04:27.46 | vbrummond | crond: awesome, enjoy :) |
| 04:28.07 | gregorah | Is it at all discouraged to use "testing" instead of a specific release? |
| 04:28.26 | crond | gregorah, unstable is more stable than testing. |
| 04:29.21 | vbrummond | jarray52: package for the kernel image is linux-image-3.2.0-0.bpo.1-686-pae |
| 04:29.23 | gregorah | Why is that? |
| 04:29.42 | crond | gregorah, packages that have been in testing for a while with no major issues are moved to unstable. |
| 04:29.59 | vbrummond | you have that backwards :P |
| 04:30.02 | crond | do I? |
| 04:30.04 | crond | doh. |
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| 04:30.20 | vbrummond | unstable might get security fixes faster |
| 04:30.25 | Lint | is it normal for home folder be ABSOLUTELY empty except for .profile and .bashrc?? |
| 04:30.33 | crond | so i do |
| 04:30.35 | crond | http://www.debian.org/releases/ |
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| 04:31.10 | vbrummond | Lint: sometimes; the default home folder I think is found in /etc/skel |
| 04:31.37 | jarray52 | vbrummond: I only see linux-image-3.2.0-0.bpo.1-amd64. Is that it? |
| 04:31.41 | Lint | where can I see a chart/coverage of debian console fonts? |
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| 04:31.48 | vbrummond | jarray52: yes |
| 04:32.13 | overflow_0f8b | [052551] <overflow_0f8b> TonyStark_<< why not use linux ? |
| 04:32.13 | overflow_0f8b | [052703] <TonyStark_> because It's junk and I'm not wasting my time on an OS that encompases 2% of the desktop market when I can learn an OS that has 80% that's more secure well understood and that someone might actually hire you for |
| 04:32.58 | vbrummond | #debian-offtopic |
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| 04:34.10 | jarray52 | vbrummond: When installing, does it give an ncurses display? |
| 04:34.28 | vbrummond | shoudn't unless its asking something |
| 04:34.57 | jarray52 | vbrummond: syslogd is flooding my shell; so, I don't think it's possible to use ncurses. Seems to be asking something. |
| 04:35.05 | jarray52 | or giving me a message. |
| 04:35.06 | Lint | I don't know which font to choose; and their descriptions are unclear |
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| 04:37.24 | vbrummond | jarray52: ill look into disabling the log |
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| 04:40.02 | Lint | =||=||= where can I see font samples/coverage for Debian console? =||=||= |
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| 04:43.47 | Lint | no answer seriuolsy? |
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| 04:46.31 | Rusty1 | Lint might a google of : debian console fonts, yield anything? |
| 04:48.05 | Lint | nothing relevant |
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| 05:05.54 | Lint | I see console bug is still her LOL |
| 05:06.05 | vbrummond | thats descriptive ;P |
| 05:06.40 | Lint | when I switch to X and back the console font turns in to GARBAGE |
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| 05:07.08 | vbrummond | sounds like a gpu specific bug to me, mine works fine |
| 05:07.22 | Lesterwood | （ ≖‿≖） |
| 05:07.28 | NotJimCarrey | i have putty set to login with a keyfile, and i'm trying to get it to auto run an X environment command. I have a script with "#!/bin/bash|export DISPLAY=:0.0|xbmc" but it won't start the program, although it will if i ssh in normally and run the script |
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| 05:07.36 | Lint | vbrummond, lol, in was there in 2008, and yet not fixed |
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| 05:08.09 | vbrummond | Lint, lol, and every bug has a reason considering it doesnt happen on mine it has to be hardware/driver specific |
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| 05:08.30 | Lint | vbrummond, it does happen on your |
| 05:08.44 | Lint | you just american |
| 05:08.52 | vbrummond | Lint: cheers mate |
| 05:09.29 | TheRedOctober | Good morning all. I just noticed a box did an update of of locales and is stuck. I have a process localdef that is sucking up 100% of one core. What would be the best course to remedy this? |
| 05:09.42 | Lint | you just cannot see it becaise all you have is ASCII set |
| 05:10.13 | vbrummond | Lint: :P well all i want is ascII set, because that will suffice |
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| 05:10.45 | in2tactics | TheRedOctober: kill PID |
| 05:10.47 | vbrummond | actually; I think i have heard of this issue, i think on expert mode the debian installer even mentions it |
| 05:10.51 | Lint | so let's write on debian site: by americans, for americans. right? |
| 05:11.12 | vbrummond | Lint: Linux is much more popular in europe |
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| 05:11.36 | TheRedOctober | in2: ja, something buggered. killed it, i survived. |
| 05:11.46 | in2tactics | TheRedOctober: good good |
| 05:13.32 | in2tactics | sooo much bloat in the kernel! ARGH the kernel has so much more stuff in it than it did 10+ years ago |
| 05:14.08 | vbrummond | in2tactics: i hear ya and its not going away soon |
| 05:14.40 | Lint | TheRedOctober, remove non-needed locales, like en_IN etc |
| 05:15.17 | simonlnu | Lint: this isn't ubuntu where every locale in existence is compiled |
| 05:15.18 | Lint | there's file in /etc which defines which locales to compile |
| 05:15.37 | simonlnu | Lint: be quiet |
| 05:15.51 | simonlnu | !tell TheRedOctober -about locales |
| 05:16.01 | in2tactics | vbrummond: i just configured a pristine source of 3.2.7 using oldconfig from 2.6.32, i tightened up a few things but didn't bother with all the drivers and OMG sooo many modules of crap |
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| 05:16.08 | simonlnu | TheRedOctober: the bot dpkg just told you something in a /query window |
| 05:16.38 | simonlnu | in2tactics: well, distro kernel have to support a lot of machines |
| 05:16.42 | simonlnu | kernels* |
| 05:17.34 | in2tactics | simonlnu: of course! but even with spending a good 2 hours going through non-drivers stuff i thought it would have been a little smaller |
| 05:20.00 | simonlnu | when i've used a distro kernel's config it's taken me a long time to go through everything. i mean all of it. never kept track of how long, but a long time. |
| 05:21.28 | Lint | simonlnu, what did you mean? of course debian is compiling locales |
| 05:21.37 | in2tactics | simonlnu: i'm just gonna have to go through each driver section and weed out the nay-sayers, but for now i'm just making sure the important stuff works |
| 05:21.53 | simonlnu | yeh, of course |
| 05:22.06 | simonlnu | Lint: you misunderstood me. |
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| 05:32.57 | Mephisto | i've tried kernel 3.2. Worse than 2.6.39. |
| 05:33.13 | TheRedOctober | simonlnu: thx |
| 05:33.47 | Mephisto | if with 2.6.39 i had just some scratchy side-effect when recording something or talking on skype then with 3.2 i had no audio at all. |
| 05:33.49 | vbrummond | i never noticed a difference with my kernel binaries except they take a lot shorter to compile if I disable all the debugging :P |
| 05:33.49 | simonlnu | np |
| 05:33.55 | roe | I'm building a 2TB raid array for my fileserver, any suggestions about which FS I should use? |
| 05:33.56 | Mephisto | i dunno why it's always sound. |
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| 05:34.02 | Mephisto | but that's what it is. |
| 05:34.07 | in2tactics | Mephisto: i lost my 2.6.39bpo2 tarball cause i purged it |
| 05:34.23 | in2tactics | Mephisto: talk about a major oops |
| 05:34.30 | Mephisto | in2tactics, i hear ya. Make images of your system ALWAYS. That's what i do. |
| 05:34.40 | roe | I was considering btrfs, but I don't think it is ready for production yet |
| 05:35.10 | vbrummond | btrfs doesnt have a file system check but it supports its own software raid |
| 05:35.11 | Mephisto | in2tactics, now you can't get it back, unless you build it yourself. |
| 05:35.13 | simonlnu | i may go back to 2.6.39 - had less issues with certain drivers |
| 05:35.25 | Mephisto | out of all these 2.6.38 is the best. |
| 05:35.28 | furien | hello is there any tool for windows to write the live debian image to a usb stick ? |
| 05:35.28 | in2tactics | Mephisto: i didn't realize they removed them from backports |
| 05:35.41 | Mephisto | in2tactics, me neither, i just found out a couple of days ago. |
| 05:35.47 | vbrummond | http://snapshot.debian.org/binary/linux-source-2.6.39/ |
| 05:35.52 | simonlnu | i haven't checked it out, but it seems to me they changed more than one underlying api |
| 05:35.54 | vbrummond | binaries should be there too |
| 05:36.21 | simonlnu | good ol' s.d.o |
| 05:36.21 | Mephisto | good thing i'm on 2.6.38 and i've made an image of it. Now i'll never loose it. |
| 05:36.22 | in2tactics | vbrummond: so u can get all the old backports not currently listed? |
| 05:36.37 | vbrummond | in2tactics not sure about backports, possibly |
| 05:36.38 | Mephisto | in2tactics, not really, you'll have to do the stuff yourself. |
| 05:36.46 | vbrummond | it has old stuff from sid and etc |
| 05:36.52 | in2tactics | yuck |
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| 05:36.54 | Mephisto | in2tactics, it won't be as easy as one or two clicks and there ya go. |
| 05:37.01 | vbrummond | might have other packages as well |
| 05:37.15 | in2tactics | Mephisto: clicks? |
| 05:37.25 | in2tactics | Mephisto: all console BRO |
| 05:37.26 | vbrummond | in2tactics: ;) http://snapshot.debian.org/binary/linux-image-2.6.39-bpo.2-amd64/ |
| 05:37.29 | simonlnu | tab then ;) |
| 05:37.33 | roe | vbrummond, I am using raid 5 so the built-in raid support of btrfs doesn't really help me |
| 05:37.34 | Mephisto | in2tactics, still couple of clicks :) |
| 05:37.39 | in2tactics | lol |
| 05:37.41 | simonlnu | tab from link to link ;) |
| 05:37.46 | roe | and I am concerned because it doesn't have a fscheck utility |
| 05:37.46 | Mephisto | in2tactics, doesn't matter. Mouse clicking or keyboard.. same shit. |
| 05:37.53 | simonlnu | unless you got gpm going ;p |
| 05:38.12 | in2tactics | damn i forgot about gpm |
| 05:38.14 | vbrummond | roe: i do not suggest the use of btrfs personally |
| 05:38.32 | simonlnu | hmm what's in squeeze now? |
| 05:38.40 | simonlnu | ,i linux-image-2.6 |
| 05:38.41 | judd | No package named 'linux-image-2.6' was found in squeeze/i386. |
| 05:38.47 | vbrummond | roe: ext3 for database/syncing workloads, ext4 for all else (or xfs) |
| 05:38.50 | simonlnu | ,names linux-image* |
| 05:38.51 | roe | vbrummond, if it had an fsck *and* it supported parity raid I think I would strongly consider it |
| 05:38.53 | judd | Search for linux-image* in squeeze/i386: linux-image-2.6.32-5-486 2.6.32-41; linux-image-2.6.32-5-686 2.6.32-41; linux-image-2.6.32-5-686-bigmem 2.6.32-41; linux-image-2.6.32-5-686-bigmem-dbg 2.6.32-41; linux-image-2.6.32-5-amd64 2.6.32-41; linux-image-2.6.32-5-openvz-686 2.6.32-41; linux-image-2.6.32-5-openvz-686-dbg 2.6.32-41; linux-image-2.6.32-5-vserver-686 2.6.32-41; linux- |
| 05:38.54 | judd | image-2.6.32-5-vserver-686-bigmem 2.6.32-41; linux-image-2.6.32-5-vserver-686-bigmem-dbg 2.6.32-41; linux-image-2.6.32-5-xen-686 2.6.32-41; linux-image-2.6.32-5-xen-686-dbg 2.6.32-41; linux-image-2.6-486 2.6.32+29; linux-image-2.6-686 2.6.32+29; linux-image-2.6-686-bigmem 2.6.32+29; linux-image-2.6-amd64 2.6.32+29; linux-image-2.6-openvz-686 2.6.32+29; linux-image-2.6-vserver-686 (1 more message) |
| 05:39.11 | roe | but I guess I will stick with ext4 |
| 05:39.19 | Mephisto | in2tactics, copy "apt-get install -t squeeze-backports linux-image-2.6.38-amd64.bpo2 linux-headers-2.6.38-amd64-bpo2", ctrl+shit+v, hit enter = done basically. |
| 05:39.28 | simonlnu | roe: yes, nice and stable(r) |
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| 05:39.35 | in2tactics | i'll have to check that |
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| 05:40.41 | roe | I wanted to use btrfs because I think it is a neat FS and this is going to be the last array I put together in a few years |
| 05:40.49 | roe | but I just can't bring myself to do it |
| 05:41.03 | Mephisto | by the way.. i've made my first .deb package. |
| 05:41.12 | vbrummond | nice :) |
| 05:41.30 | Mephisto | yeah... stardict-3.0.2 with google translator fixed. |
| 05:41.37 | vbrummond | @roe: i think btrfs will be a game changer once its adopted by fedora by default, perhaps even by wheezy launch |
| 05:41.56 | Mephisto | 3.0.3 works too, but it's buggy. Some crash on startup. On openSUSE they fixed it somehow, but was the same buggy in the beginning. |
| 05:42.10 | roe | vbrummond, I think it depends more on the fsck utility and a few other features |
| 05:42.11 | simonlnu | it's called patching ;) |
| 05:42.28 | Mephisto | i know, but the thing is, they patched it for suse exquisitely. |
| 05:42.30 | roe | when those exist the distros will probably adopt it |
| 05:42.33 | Mephisto | not for anything else. |
| 05:42.43 | simonlnu | exquisitely? |
| 05:42.57 | simonlnu | ECONTEXT |
| 05:43.16 | Mephisto | huh? |
| 05:43.40 | vbrummond | roe: my point exactly; once it is deemed stable enough to be default (who seem to be gunning for it) it should probably be ready for wide adoption |
| 05:43.51 | roe | that is true |
| 05:44.03 | martianixor | hi, if I have a disk that had been part of RAID array, when I try to use it it individually, is it possible? so 2 questions :- 1) where do all the raid info are kept on the disk, whether soft or hardware RAID is used? 2) how to remove that RAID info in order to be able to use the disk individually? |
| 05:44.12 | vbrummond | because it works pretty well now, like you said needs fsck and some bug fixes/testing |
| 05:44.34 | Mephisto | by the way.. i'd like someone to test it out |
| 05:44.39 | Mephisto | anyone on squeeze? |
| 05:44.57 | vbrummond | i tested it in a vm on squeeze |
| 05:45.21 | vbrummond | it takes forever to install because for some reason ext4/btrfs hate dpkg :P |
| 05:45.24 | martianixor | the problem is that we've lost track of where that hdd came from, and seems that it was part of raid |
| 05:45.28 | Mephisto | http://89.28.122.14:8080/stardict_3.0.2-1_amd64.deb |
| 05:45.44 | vbrummond | oh i see |
| 05:45.54 | vbrummond | *head desks* |
| 05:46.20 | roe | has there been some breakthrough in formatting? I just formatted a 1.5T FS in ~20seconds |
| 05:46.23 | furien | thank u all for not telling me this LiLi thing exists |
| 05:46.40 | vbrummond | roe: ext4? it works great for that sort of stuff, especially delete operations |
| 05:46.56 | martianixor | furien: LiLi ? |
| 05:46.59 | roe | vbrummond, yea, is that what it was? ext3 would have taken forever? |
| 05:47.16 | in2tactics | roe: most newer FS don't actually format every sector... they format on the fly |
| 05:47.17 | furien | my question from like 10 mins ago : <furien> hello is there any tool for windows to write the live debian image to a usb stick ? |
| 05:47.23 | vbrummond | probably not forever but longer, ext4 has improvements in filesystem check as well; its many times faster |
| 05:47.30 | roe | in2tactics, is ext3 not considered a 'newer FS'? |
| 05:47.35 | martianixor | furien: yeah got it linuxlive usb creator |
| 05:47.51 | in2tactics | roe: not really |
| 05:47.55 | vbrummond | furien: haha im sorry, i did a search but never looked at the results because i got distracted :P |
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| 05:48.15 | furien | heh np mates :-)) google did an awesome job anyway xD |
| 05:48.30 | roe | I'm a bit disappointed... I stayed up late trying to finish this so that I could let it format overnight |
| 05:48.41 | Mephisto | i wish i could upload that thing to backports.. but it's a bit troublesome to become a contributor i'm afraid. |
| 05:48.55 | roe | but now I could have just gone to sleep and done it in the morning |
| 05:48.58 | martianixor | so anybody can direct me somewhere in regards of that RAID issue ? |
| 05:49.13 | roe | martianixor, what raid level? |
| 05:49.43 | martianixor | for short I'm somehow unable to use a harddisk that seems to had been once part of a RAID array |
| 05:49.47 | martianixor | roe: no idea !!! |
| 05:49.51 | martianixor | roe: that's the point |
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| 05:50.03 | roe | martianixor, if it was hardware raid, you have no chance |
| 05:50.07 | martianixor | roe: even when I completely erase that disk, I'm unable to reuse it |
| 05:50.15 | martianixor | roe: what ! |
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| 05:50.19 | roe | it is was anything other than a raid mirror using software raid, you're boned |
| 05:50.22 | vbrummond | Mephisto: looks ok to me, no changelog.Debian file but not sure backports even use them |
| 05:50.39 | roe | ohcibi, you're not looking to retrieve the data? |
| 05:50.40 | Mephisto | vbrummond, why not?.. |
| 05:50.41 | roe | oh* |
| 05:50.43 | vbrummond | depends seems blank though |
| 05:50.44 | martianixor | roe: wow, you're telling me I should toss that hdd into trash :p |
| 05:50.52 | in2tactics | way to find out dpkg-gencontrol isn't installed after i spend 30min compiling |
| 05:50.56 | Lint | setupcon lol |
| 05:51.03 | Mephisto | vbrummond, this one supports google translator, the one in stable repo has this thing erroneous a bit. |
| 05:51.07 | roe | martianixor, I thought you wanted the data, does fdisk see the disk? |
| 05:51.14 | Mephisto | vbrummond, mistake in source code. |
| 05:51.16 | vbrummond | nice :P |
| 05:51.21 | Mephisto | :) |
| 05:51.21 | roe | martianixor, fdisk -l |
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| 05:51.31 | martianixor | roe: no, don't want it, it has been lost track of most probably |
| 05:51.33 | Mephisto | yep, i wouldn't bother if there were no reasons. |
| 05:51.36 | vbrummond | keep it up, im terrible at packaging :/ need to learn more |
| 05:52.02 | teratoma | remember that 'bum' ubuntu thing that graphically showed which services were set to start at boot? does debian + gnome have such a thing? |
| 05:52.07 | martianixor | roe: well it does, I even erased it, but I couldn't setup any OS on it ! |
| 05:52.07 | Mephisto | it's a tricky business yes. But depends.. sometimes it's a piece of cake. |
| 05:52.13 | in2tactics | vbrummond: fortunately u can pickup where u leave off as long as u don't do "make clean" haha |
| 05:52.34 | martianixor | roe: I'm unable to lay a filesystem on it to be more precise |
| 05:52.50 | roe | martianixor, so fdisk sees it, and you created a partition table? |
| 05:52.50 | martianixor | roe: my question is, where the heck is the raid info, is it possible to remove it? |
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| 05:53.12 | roe | martianixor, pastebin the output of fdisk -l /dev/sdX |
| 05:53.16 | martianixor | roe: nope, again couldn't write part. table |
| 05:53.55 | Mephisto | vbrummond, this thing helped me a lot: http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=3&ved=0CDQQFjAC&url=http%3A%2F%2Fblog.sina.com.cn%2Fs%2Fblog_5c9a54e30100x08h.html&ei=UtRFT5fKCMXltQbIqZyFCw&usg=AFQjCNF4PJMUkY0CWIybQmXngxtlWAR5Lw&sig2=Jz3UMdJUAd2KTEMbkra5IA |
| 05:53.59 | Mephisto | vbrummond, sorry. |
| 05:54.09 | martianixor | roe: no I don't have it here, my question to be even more precise, is there something I have to remove from the disk after erasing partitions on it ! |
| 05:54.14 | Mephisto | vbrummond, http://blog.sina.com.cn/s/blog_5c9a54e30100x08h.html |
| 05:54.14 | roe | no |
| 05:54.46 | roe | martianixor, there is nothing to do other than create a partition table and create a FS |
| 05:54.47 | Mephisto | vbrummond, only that i used just "./configure" parameter and also i usec checkinstall instead of make install, to get a .deb package. |
| 05:54.55 | vbrummond | ah ok |
| 05:55.00 | roe | martianixor, if you're having trouble you're doing something wrong |
| 05:55.00 | vbrummond | I know checkinstall |
| 05:55.03 | Mephisto | vbrummond, yeah, checkinstall is a cool thingie... |
| 05:55.39 | martianixor | roe: I can simply use fdisk and that's it? cause seems to be something's missing somewhere need to be done |
| 05:55.40 | vbrummond | been working on simple packages that have a chance of being approved there is an hour long video that tells how, i got about 17 mins in so far |
| 05:56.01 | roe | martianixor, there is nothing missing |
| 05:56.02 | Mephisto | cool |
| 05:56.20 | martianixor | roe: good, it's a bug in the other distro's installer then :p |
| 05:56.33 | roe | not if you can't format the drive |
| 05:56.44 | roe | it is probably a pebkac issue |
| 05:57.09 | martianixor | roe: I don't think so, ;) |
| 05:57.22 | martianixor | roe: it wouldn't be for 4 admins in a row anyways lol |
| 05:57.29 | Mephisto | vbrummond, i wish i could build wine though :) Now that's a bit trickier... stable 1.2.3 wants 32-bit libraries... and i dunno how to get them. There's a script in sources package that is supposed to snatch those, but it doesn't support squeeze. So yeah.. i was confused. |
| 05:57.40 | roe | martianixor, you'd be surprised |
| 05:57.43 | martianixor | roe: with different backgrounds/level of experience |
| 05:58.13 | roe | I need to see the error message before I could agree with any of your conclusions |
| 05:58.58 | martianixor | roe: well, my guess is a previous admin didn't remove the disk appropriately from the array back in time, although I don't see how would that be a problem with fdisk ! |
| 05:59.00 | Mephisto | vbrummond, but technically wine 1.2.3 MUST work on squeeze. Still unclear why noone has done it yet. |
| 06:00.01 | vbrummond | Mephisto: ia32-libs-dev |
| 06:00.11 | Mephisto | vbrummond, is that it? :) |
| 06:00.17 | vbrummond | it will build correctly with checkinstall |
| 06:00.22 | martianixor | roe: I know :) thanks anyway, cause I don't have the machine around at the moment, I might bbl with the messages :) |
| 06:00.22 | Mephisto | hmm... |
| 06:00.29 | Mephisto | vbrummond, have you done it?.. |
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| 06:00.56 | vbrummond | i run apt-cache policy wine-checkinstall.... i get: Installed: 1.4-1 so yes :) |
| 06:01.22 | Mephisto | vbrummond, hm.. are you on squeeze? |
| 06:01.25 | vbrummond | yes |
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| 06:01.56 | vbrummond | im on 32-bit now but I have done it for 64-bit on my server |
| 06:01.57 | Mephisto | interesting. |
| 06:02.16 | in2tactics | nice kernel 3.2.7 works nice |
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| 06:04.34 | martianixor | roe: one more question, there isn't any flag like bootable for RAID that's added to the disk, and I guess that's deleted too if the partition table was erased, correct? |
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| 06:04.48 | roe | yes |
| 06:04.56 | martianixor | roe: there's one? |
| 06:05.04 | martianixor | ;) |
| 06:05.07 | roe | creating the partition table sets any/all of those flags |
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| 06:05.55 | in2tactics | so is this software raid you're doing? |
| 06:06.27 | martianixor | in2tactics: on the contrary, I'm trying to use a disk that someone got out of RAID |
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| 06:06.40 | Mephisto | vbrummond, could you give me the debs if you got them?>. |
| 06:06.50 | vbrummond | i only have 32-bit builds now |
| 06:06.53 | Mephisto | ah... |
| 06:06.58 | Mephisto | well.. could you make 64-bit ones?.. |
| 06:07.10 | vbrummond | i would have to reinstall |
| 06:07.23 | Mephisto | i see |
| 06:07.28 | vbrummond | i dont think i can do -m64 on 32-bit |
| 06:07.42 | martianixor | in2tactics: there seems to be a problem of some sort using a disk that was in RAID between different distros, my guess that has been software RAID if so ... |
| 06:07.45 | in2tactics | martianixor: if the raid was anything other than mirror, the drive is basically useless until you repartition |
| 06:07.46 | Mephisto | yeah, that's sensible. |
| 06:08.14 | Mephisto | but hey.. wine IS 32-bit, isn't it? |
| 06:08.28 | Mephisto | i mean.. they should run on amd64 anyway |
| 06:08.33 | vbrummond | Mephisto: i can help you if you have any questions, basically run ./configure and get what it asks until it only complains about missing gstreamer and opencl |
| 06:08.44 | Mephisto | vbrummond, ok, let me try. |
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| 06:08.49 | vbrummond | perhaps but the the debs will be 32-bit you will have to force arch on them |
| 06:08.58 | Mephisto | vbrummond, shall i get wine 1.4? |
| 06:09.05 | vbrummond | any is fine |
| 06:09.10 | Mephisto | ok |
| 06:09.10 | in2tactics | martianixor: you need to nuke the partition table and start over, that's my guess because the information is split between all the drivers in the raid and it's like having 1/2 1/3 or whatever of everything |
| 06:09.11 | martianixor | in2tactics: exactly, an installer of some distro seems to be unable to delete the partition table, if I could get back with the messages I got I might be able to show you :) |
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| 06:09.26 | in2tactics | martianixor: what are you using to partition? |
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| 06:09.51 | martianixor | in2tactics: that's not Debian :) so I prefer not to discuss that here |
| 06:10.15 | nippx | Need some clarification. What does this mean "MBR can have only one active primary partition"? |
| 06:10.28 | martianixor | in2tactics: I was trying to put Debian based distro on a hdd that had something else installed :) |
| 06:10.41 | in2tactics | martianixor: i understand that |
| 06:10.50 | in2tactics | martianixor: fdisk should be able to nuke it |
| 06:10.57 | martianixor | in2tactics: yup :) |
| 06:11.03 | in2tactics | martianixor: even cfdisk should be fine |
| 06:11.10 | martianixor | in2tactics: if the medium was intact |
| 06:11.59 | Mephisto | vbrummond, ok, it asked for 32bit devs... getting ia32 thing |
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| 06:12.51 | Mephisto | vbrummond, same - configure: error: Cannot build a 32-bit program, you need to install 32-bit development libraries. |
| 06:12.59 | Mephisto | vbrummond, see, that's what i mean. |
| 06:13.03 | vbrummond | you need gcc-multilib and build-essential |
| 06:13.08 | Mephisto | ok, let's see. |
| 06:13.28 | Mephisto | i got build-essential |
| 06:13.44 | martianixor | in2tactics: thanks alot :) |
| 06:13.50 | martianixor | bbl |
| 06:14.04 | in2tactics | markatto: got an idea |
| 06:14.09 | in2tactics | oops |
| 06:14.11 | in2tactics | lol |
| 06:14.15 | in2tactics | i figured out his problem |
| 06:14.18 | in2tactics | and he's gone |
| 06:14.20 | Mephisto | ok, now it asks for reasonable things... hang on.. |
| 06:14.25 | Mephisto | i'll get them one by one |
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| 06:15.32 | vbrummond | Mephisto: basically all i never get for it is hal, gstreamer, and opencl; the rest can be found somehow in 64-bit (either ia32-libs-dev or whereever) |
| 06:15.39 | Lint | what should I install to enable sound? |
| 06:15.44 | in2tactics | what is the default partition tool used by the debian installer? |
| 06:16.46 | in2tactics | is it "parted"? |
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| 06:18.31 | Mephisto | vbrummond, FreeType 32-bit development files not found. Fonts will not be built. |
| 06:18.36 | Mephisto | vbrummond, wazzat? |
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| 06:23.14 | vbrummond | Mephisto: sorry back, one sec I ran into this and documented it |
| 06:23.19 | Mephisto | sure |
| 06:24.12 | vbrummond | Mephisto: try installing libfontconfig-1-dev |
| 06:24.20 | Mephisto | ok.. let's see.. |
| 06:24.30 | vbrummond | im not sure if that is exactly what fixed it but i know I did fix it |
| 06:25.12 | Mephisto | hm.. same.. |
| 06:25.23 | vbrummond | Mephisto: here is a list of build-depends for wine (you dont need all of them, but might be useful) http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?p=417786#p417786 |
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| 06:25.32 | Mephisto | ok.. thanks a lot :) |
| 06:26.00 | vbrummond | also try installing ia32-libs-gtk might work also; i know i did fix this because i do so in this thread ;P but i didnt notice the exact package that fixed the font problem |
| 06:26.41 | Mephisto | vbrummond, hey... i remember talking to you on that forun |
| 06:26.43 | Mephisto | forum* |
| 06:26.54 | vbrummond | ah cool; hope i wasn't a jerk :P |
| 06:27.02 | Mephisto | erm.. not sure ;) Let me check.. |
| 06:27.36 | Mephisto | hahaa |
| 06:27.37 | Mephisto | http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=73373 |
| 06:27.40 | Mephisto | there ya go, mac :) |
| 06:28.40 | vbrummond | :P crap i was a jerk |
| 06:29.12 | Mephisto | nah, it's ok :) |
| 06:29.24 | Mephisto | i had lotsa fun too ;) |
| 06:29.32 | vbrummond | never a dull moment thrre |
| 06:29.43 | NotJimCarrey | i have putty set to login with a keyfile, and i'm trying to get it to auto run an X environment command. I have a script with "#!/bin/bash|export DISPLAY=:0.0|xbmc" but it won't start the program, although it will if i ssh in normally and run the script . anyone know how to get it working? |
| 06:30.12 | Mephisto | vbrummond, by the way.. here's more: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=62417 |
| 06:30.26 | Mephisto | vbrummond, and i got plymouth working too if you ask me ;) But that doesn't matter anymore, haha |
| 06:30.32 | vbrummond | ^_^ |
| 06:31.01 | vbrummond | i wasnt trying to be mean there; was just quoting tolkien try to have some levity :P |
| 06:31.13 | Mephisto | it's alright man :) |
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| 06:38.05 | Mephisto | "I dunno what you just said, but ...", hahaah... sorry, just laughing at myself now :) |
| 06:38.07 | roe | would rsync go faster over NFS or ssh? |
| 06:38.11 | Mephisto | been a while since i read that post :) |
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| 06:39.45 | vbrummond | roe: i never had much success with NFS |
| 06:39.54 | roe | vbrummond, why not? |
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| 06:40.07 | vbrummond | seems to drop to a trickle during file transfers |
| 06:40.13 | vbrummond | might just be me though |
| 06:40.24 | roe | right now I'm using NFS and holding steady at ~49MB/s |
| 06:40.29 | roe | for the past 100GB |
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| 06:40.42 | vbrummond | then you dont have my issue :P so I guess it wont matter much |
| 06:40.45 | roe | I'm just curious if it would go faster over SSH |
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| 06:40.50 | vbrummond | probably not |
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| 06:41.28 | nutron | while in the installer, can I copy the partition layout from one drive to the other? |
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| 06:42.42 | ParkerR | OMG for the first time ever on the laptop I have gotten headphones to work in linux |
| 06:42.47 | ParkerR | *this |
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| 06:59.28 | grayghost | nutron Did you get an answer to your question? |
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| 07:01.03 | roe | It seems that debian isn't able to control the CPU fan speed for my intel s5000psl motherboard, any thoughts on how I can fix it? |
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| 07:01.42 | nutron | grayghost: no, though I just defined them all by hand... |
| 07:02.04 | nutron | even if sfdisk is avaliable, I need sgdisk to handle the gpt tables. |
| 07:02.06 | nicole22 | hi, i uploaded pictures to my blog, and i see only small sizes of them. could somebody help me? http://kraks.linuxpl.info |
| 07:02.10 | grayghost | that was what I was going to suggest |
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| 07:08.37 | grayghost | nutron there is a utility "pmagic" which has a "ghost" like program which I think will do what you want. |
| 07:09.29 | nutron | grayghost: inside the debian installer? |
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| 07:11.36 | grayghost | no it is utility disk http://linuxtracker.org/index.php?page=torrent-details&id=3c14476cf837d4ae8555662d68af3248184170e7 |
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| 07:17.32 | Escherial | ok, i feel kind of silly about this, but i'm still running lenny 5.0.9 and the version of python it comes with is far too old |
| 07:17.58 | Escherial | i'm a developer; it's getting kind of irritating not having newer packages available, especially on what's essentially my testing and dev machine |
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| 07:18.20 | Escherial | is there any way i can do a clean upgrade to something newer without messing everything up, preferably from the comfort of my desk? |
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| 07:19.44 | somiaj | Escherial: do you need a full xorg enviorment to be developing in? |
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| 07:20.02 | Escherial | somiaj: nope, just something to ssh into |
| 07:20.40 | somiaj | Escherial: you could use chroot and build yourself a testing (or unstable) chroot, and then mount --bind proc,dev,home in there and be able to complile stuff with newer libaries |
| 07:21.02 | somiaj | Escherial: ment use debootstrap to build a chroot |
| 07:21.05 | nutron | Escherial: can you upgrade the whole distro? |
| 07:21.18 | somiaj | Escherial: that way your overall system is still stable, but you have a development place with newer libs |
| 07:21.20 | nutron | ie root access? |
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| 07:21.33 | nutron | or is the target lenny? |
| 07:21.44 | Escherial | nutron: yes, i have root access, and i don't mind having the system be unstable so long as i have newer libraries |
| 07:22.04 | Escherial | i don't want to stick with lenny, if possible...whatever will net me a recent version of python (e.g. 2.7) will make me happy |
| 07:22.22 | somiaj | Escherial: well debian is mildy designed to upgrade from one version to the next (so upgrading stable to testing (or unstable) is possible |
| 07:22.37 | Escherial | (with all of the requisite other packages, like mod_wsgi, built against said recent version of python) |
| 07:22.41 | nutron | modify your distribution in your /etc/apt/sources.conf to squeeze, then aptitude update; aptitude full-upgrade.. |
| 07:22.49 | somiaj | Escherial: though both testing and unstable are moving tragets and you could (and will) run into many bugs from minor to sever in nature. |
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| 07:23.16 | somiaj | Escherial: oh if your are on lenny, /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze (the upgrade isn't a simple one command) |
| 07:24.37 | Escherial | somiaj: hmm, good advice, thank you :) i have to admit that editing sources.list is on the edge of my knowledge...hopefully i'll be able to figure it out ;| |
| 07:24.38 | nutron | somiaj: ahh indeed, I remember that now ... |
| 07:24.39 | Escherial | er, :\ |
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| 07:25.09 | nutron | good advice somiaj |
| 07:25.45 | Escherial | so basically just change lenny to squeeze in sources.list and follow the rest of those instructions? |
| 07:25.52 | somiaj | Escherial: I'd still suggest a squeeze stable system with a testing/unstable chroot (unless you know debian well enough you can fix the bugs you will run across) |
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| 07:25.58 | somiaj | !tell Escherial about lenny->squeeze |
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| 07:26.14 | somiaj | Escherial: unfrontally due to changes in both dpkg/apt and adding of udev, that could break your whole system |
| 07:26.22 | somiaj | Escherial: make sure you follow that factoid and read the install manual |
| 07:26.47 | Escherial | i'm guessing the install manual is more than the release notes...? |
| 07:27.03 | somiaj | oh sorry release notes |
| 07:27.12 | Escherial | ah, phew :) |
| 07:28.22 | Escherial | i'm a little confused about this part: "Remove volatile & backports from /etc/apt/sources.list changing lenny to squeeze" -- does this mean remove the lines referencing volatile and backports and then change "lenny" to "squeeze" in the remaining lines, or does it mean to change "lenny" to "squeeze" in the lines that reference volatile and backports? |
| 07:28.45 | Escherial | i'm guessing the comments up top on the file don't matter, too |
| 07:30.25 | somiaj | Escherial: it means remove those enteries (or comment) them out if you have them in your sources.list |
| 07:30.40 | Escherial | ah, got it; thanks |
| 07:32.19 | Escherial | well, apt-get is now chugging away...i guess we'll see what happens |
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| 07:32.45 | vin | and originals |
| 07:33.12 | originals | hey vin and Orbitrix |
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| 07:34.43 | matsuura | hi |
| 07:34.56 | matsuura | "Unable to load image-loading module: /usr/lib32/gtk-2.0/2.10.0/loaders/libpixbufloader-png.so: /usr/lib32/gtk-2.0/2.10.0/loaders/libpixbufloader-png.so: wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS32" |
| 07:35.05 | vin | bye Orbitrix |
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| 07:35.37 | matsuura | What is telling the image-loading modules to look at a 32bit module that it doesn't want? o_o |
| 07:36.02 | matsuura | Or rather, is there a quick fix |
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| 07:37.53 | HiDeHo | Hi i am looking for sunbird for debian testing |
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| 07:38.21 | reactor | hello |
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| 07:38.34 | reactor | where do I look for the ti_3410.fw and like? |
| 07:38.43 | HiDeHo | seems the lightening extention for the thunderbird 9 is not working |
| 07:39.07 | reactor | I have installed both linux-firmware-nonfree and -free, and it's still not in /lib/firmware/ |
| 07:39.21 | HiDeHo | reactor: if its in the os use the search adn search the / for it |
| 07:39.24 | somiaj | HiDeHo: thunderbird 9, that is not supported or part of debian |
| 07:39.42 | somiaj | reactor: for what piece of hardware? |
| 07:39.45 | HiDeHo | its in package manager |
| 07:39.57 | reactor | HiDeHo: it appears not to be present on the disk |
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| 07:40.07 | HiDeHo | somiaj: ^ |
| 07:40.10 | reactor | somiaj: TI USB-to-serial |
| 07:40.34 | somiaj | HiDeHo: debian dose not distribute thunderbird, what sources are you using. |
| 07:40.39 | HiDeHo | reactor: ????? well its in synaptic here by default ok i will look else ware then if not official app |
| 07:40.56 | reactor | I also did apt-cache search |
| 07:41.01 | somiaj | HiDeHo: now icedove is in debian, and to get version 9 you have to be using the experimential repo. What version of debian do you run? |
| 07:41.24 | HiDeHo | somiaj: its ok i knwo why its there. thanks for letting me know its not official package. |
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| 07:41.43 | HiDeHo | now would anyone know the link to the debian app search |
| 07:41.51 | somiaj | pacakges.debian.org |
| 07:42.07 | HiDeHo | i have the latest testing |
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| 07:42.33 | HiDeHo | icedove i installed that and it did not show in thunderbird so i uninstalled again |
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| 07:43.14 | somiaj | seems icedove in testing is still version 3.1 |
| 07:43.18 | HiDeHo | thanks somiaj |
| 07:43.28 | HiDeHo | YES ITS ANNOYING |
| 07:43.31 | HiDeHo | oops |
| 07:43.58 | HiDeHo | even sunbird will do i will look into it thanks for helping |
| 07:44.22 | somiaj | HiDeHo: there is mozilla.debian.net (But I think they mainly make backports for squeeze) |
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| 07:45.47 | vbrummond | icedove is 8 in sid |
| 07:45.57 | Escherial | ok, i did some kind of unsanctioned upgrade to python 2.6 and now python-sqlite refuses to either be installed or uninstalled in my attempts to get from lenny to squeeze |
| 07:45.59 | vbrummond | 5 in backports |
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| 07:46.12 | Escherial | (this was a while ago -- i really needed to use 2.6 and 2.5 was all that was available) |
| 07:46.19 | me-1 | hi...can debian live i386 desktop be installed..? |
| 07:46.26 | vbrummond | Escherial: you might have to dpkg -r stuff manually |
| 07:46.29 | vbrummond | it will be messy |
| 07:46.41 | vbrummond | me-1 yes |
| 07:46.43 | Escherial | i'm starting to wonder if i should just nuke the whole thing and reinstall at this point |
| 07:46.54 | vbrummond | i would suggest this |
| 07:47.01 | vbrummond | backup important files and reinstall |
| 07:47.15 | Escherial | hrm :| is this going to require plugging in a monitor/keyboard? |
| 07:47.22 | pheezer | exit |
| 07:47.28 | me-1 | vbrummond, what minimum disk space it rqquires and why its 1GB |
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| 07:47.30 | HiDeHo | anyone know how to see what version of debian i have from terminal |
| 07:47.40 | HiDeHo | i believe its testing |
| 07:47.58 | vbrummond | me-1 i would use 3-5gb bare minimum, and it is 1gb because it is a functional gnome desktop |
| 07:47.59 | CruX| | cat /etc/debian_version |
| 07:48.14 | HiDeHo | thansk CruX| |
| 07:48.15 | Escherial | there's also lsb_release -a |
| 07:48.55 | me-1 | vbrummond, i am downlading kde version . |
| 07:49.15 | vbrummond | ah, well same deal, though kde is a bit bare |
| 07:49.29 | vbrummond | (in comparison) |
| 07:50.17 | me-1 | vbrummond, thank you for the info |
| 07:50.21 | vbrummond | np |
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| 07:51.23 | reactor | ojkay |
| 07:51.26 | reactor | s/oj/o/ |
| 07:51.31 | reactor | I've found the solution |
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| 07:51.46 | reactor | dl'ed some rpm from another OS, and unpacked it here :) |
| 07:52.00 | Escherial | cool, "Package is in a very bad inconsistent state" |
| 07:52.16 | simonlnu | !tell reactor -about alien |
| 07:52.23 | reactor | ? |
| 07:52.25 | Escherial | i guess reinstalling's all i can do :\ am i going to have to connect a monitor to it to do so, do you think? :| |
| 07:52.42 | reactor | yes |
| 07:53.02 | reactor | but in this case I just extracted the files I need |
| 07:53.10 | Escherial | to top matters off, i made the poor decision to drink a beer and now i'm inexplicably drunk. my advisor decides to email me asking about the status of a project that i was supposed to have done yesterday and i'm pretty sure she knows i'm awake @_@ |
| 07:53.38 | Escherial | thing's got to be formatted in five bated breaths or else i'm academically in sad water |
| 07:54.03 | lstarnes | which isn't as severe as complete tracking of all search data |
| 07:54.04 | lstarnes | oops. |
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| 07:54.15 | s70rm_ | http://pastebin.com/GTX3uq2F |
| 07:54.15 | Escherial | touche |
| 07:54.21 | s70rm_ | which package is that xmlperl- what? |
| 07:54.24 | simonlnu | that woeks fine if it's just a coupla non-executables |
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| 07:55.00 | reactor | anyway, thanks :) |
| 07:55.02 | vbrummond | i got libreoffice working with alien once, so as long as its someone non-critical and compatible with squeeze libs it works ok |
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| 07:59.41 | HiDeHo | ok i have a wheezy/sid build so it says ??? |
| 07:59.45 | HiDeHo | thansk all |
| 08:00.18 | vbrummond | HiDeHo: if you have either wheezy or sid it always says that, youll have to check /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 08:07.05 | belen1 | hallo |
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| 08:25.31 | Escherial | 'twas the night of the netsplit and all through the house not a server was stirring, nor even a mouse |
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| 08:28.31 | indicator | Hi. Everytime I reboot, I must reinstall the nvidia driver for X to start... |
| 08:28.35 | indicator | What's wrong? |
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| 08:29.07 | notau | oops |
| 08:29.10 | Escherial | ok, i'm on squeeze, but i'm still trapped with an old version of python -_- |
| 08:29.31 | Escherial | should i apt-get remove python and then try reinstalling it? how can i wipe python off my machine entirely? |
| 08:29.41 | ksk | you cannot afaik |
| 08:29.51 | ksk | its part of the debian baseimage |
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| 08:30.55 | vbrummond | you might be able to manually purge and reinstall stuff or try apt-get -f install? |
| 08:30.56 | ksk | some more information would be nice btw.. |
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| 08:31.48 | Escherial | apologies, i made the poor choice to drink and now am circling around the perimeter of disfunctionality @_@ |
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| 08:32.55 | Escherial | basically, mod_wsgi is convinced that it wants to use python 2.5, which precludes me from using django 1.3.1...due to some kind of monumental disaster somewhere in my installation, apache's still using python 2.5 and django 1.2.1, but my project was created for django 1.3.1 and the two are wholly incompatible |
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| 08:34.26 | Escherial | likely because mod_wsgi was built against 2.5...i wish there was some way to change that :| |
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| 08:45.56 | lkthomas | hey guys, what happen if I mounted snapshot and it's being filled ? |
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| 08:56.43 | Stefunel | guys, is it possible to have a 32bit gcc on a 64bit system? |
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| 08:58.18 | lstarnes | it is possible to have 32/64 multilib gcc |
| 09:00.45 | engla | Stefunel: do you mean gcc -m32 ? |
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| 09:18.27 | somethinginteres | hi all, n00b trying to install debian. I have a Windows install already and an Ubuntu install I want to replace with Debian. I have my / partition on sda1 according to gparted and my /home on sdc3. Debian part manager doesn't seem to show exactly those details. How can I install Debian properly with my setup? |
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| 09:20.52 | Stefunel | lstarnes, engla I want to check if a system is true 64bit or not. uname -m afaik is not 100% accurate |
| 09:21.08 | Stefunel | so my guess is that if you got a 64bit gcc you pretty much have a 64bit os |
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| 09:24.20 | jelly | Stefunel: dpkg --print-architecture |
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| 09:25.54 | engla | Stefunel: the "file" command on any executable will tell you its arch |
| 09:26.15 | Escherial | pip insists on only installing packages for python 2.6, which is sadly useless to me now that i have 2.7 :{ |
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| 09:26.28 | Escherial | attempts to upgrade pip have met with no success |
| 09:26.30 | Stefunel | engla, yeah, but you could have mixed 32b and 64b executables on a system, no? |
| 09:27.02 | ksuhku | or a pure 32 bit system running on a 64 bit hw |
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| 09:28.56 | jspiros | I'm running testing on a later model PowerBook G4 with a USB trackpad |
| 09:29.50 | jspiros | Typing works fine in the console, but with X, I have to press really forcefully on the trackpad before the cursor starts to move |
| 09:29.55 | jspiros | This is not a problem with Mac OS X on the same machine |
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| 09:30.44 | jspiros | I'm currently using the appletouch + synaptics setup, but with mouseemu the same problem occurs |
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| 09:31.12 | jspiros | It makes for very jumpy cursor operation since I'm not used to pressing down hard enough 100% through a swipe, so only part of the swipe is registered :( |
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| 09:33.33 | ksuhku | jspiros, man synaptics |
| 09:33.47 | ksuhku | then use synclient |
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| 09:36.51 | ohai___ | How long is debian support cycle? |
| 09:36.55 | ohai___ | Ubuntu has 5 years |
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| 09:39.09 | chellomere | hey, is it possible to mount a subdirectory of a partition? |
| 09:39.33 | themill | ohai___: you normally get around 3 years security support for a stable release. Note that Ubuntu isn't actually offering 5 years security support for most releases and even for the LTS releases, they don't offer security supoprt for all their packages. |
| 09:39.44 | themill | dpkg: tell chellomere about bind mount |
| 09:39.46 | engla | ohai___: a year's overlap after a new stable release is out |
| 09:40.05 | ohai___ | Is upgrading bad? |
| 09:40.08 | ohai___ | like it is in ubuntu? |
| 09:40.11 | ohai___ | takes an hour? |
| 09:40.13 | ohai___ | downtime? |
| 09:40.24 | themill | takes away ohai___'s enter key |
| 09:40.42 | aetoxx | themill, Debian also doesn't provide security support for all packages in stable. |
| 09:41.11 | themill | aetoxx: I'd like you to offer the counter-example where it does not. |
| 09:41.25 | chellomere | themill, oh, so I would need to mount the full fs somewhere, then mount --bind it where I want it? |
| 09:41.25 | aetoxx | If you want support, you just need to hire a developer on the project in which you are interested in. |
| 09:41.29 | ohai___ | Is upgrading bad in Debian? E.g. much downtime ? |
| 09:41.35 | themill | ohai___: debian takes a lot of care to make the upgrade process as smooth as possible. You'd still try to do it as a practice on a VM first to make sure you know what you're doing. |
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| 09:41.46 | themill | chellomere: yes |
| 09:41.59 | ohai___ | Upgrade on a VM? |
| 09:42.01 | ohai___ | Then I have to wait |
| 09:42.05 | ohai___ | Till next version |
| 09:42.05 | ohai___ | or not |
| 09:42.09 | chellomere | themill, ok, thanks |
| 09:42.29 | aetoxx | themill, there are 20000 packages. Do you really, really claim that when a security issue has been found and fixed upstream that it is applied within at most one day to the repository? |
| 09:43.08 | aetoxx | themill, also, real support would mean that Debian maintainers would proactively fix the security problem. |
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| 09:43.14 | themill | aetoxx: they do |
| 09:43.32 | aetoxx | themill, I don't doubt they do it for things like mysql, php, etc. |
| 09:43.46 | engla | debian still doesn't use things like _FORTIFY_SOURCE=2 etc? |
| 09:43.52 | somethinginteres | how on earth do I tell debian to use partition sdd as my root and sdb as my /home |
| 09:43.54 | aetoxx | themill, but for GUI software there really isn't as much attention. |
| 09:44.03 | themill | crap |
| 09:44.14 | themill | aetoxx: every maintainer does this on their own packages. The security team coordinates this and also tracks any security advisories. |
| 09:44.36 | ohai___ | themill: ah |
| 09:44.40 | ohai___ | afk |
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| 09:45.06 | jelly | engla: yeah, it's only done for some packages. |
| 09:45.07 | ksuhku | somethinginteres, install on the root and ignore /home, which you will later add to fstab |
| 09:45.22 | themill | aetoxx: if it is found, it is assessed and fixed if necessary. Ubuntu doesn't even bother tracking security advisories in their archive for their LTS releases for a lot of their packages. |
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| 09:47.18 | aetoxx | themill, I am just speaking from experience in one very specific case. I do admit that I don't know how severe the issue was, but I do know that it wasn't fixed. |
| 09:47.42 | themill | aetoxx: CVE number? |
| 09:48.25 | themill | aetoxx: btw all of these things are tracked on the security team's website; /msg dpkg tracker of doom |
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| 09:51.48 | somethinginteres | ksuhku: do I just highlight the partition I want to be / in the list and press next? |
| 09:51.55 | aetoxx | themill, debian bug #488632 for example |
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| 09:53.42 | aetoxx | themill, if I was a malicious person, I would write a program to go over all the open bugs marked security and search for 'not yet' and/or don't know and/or 'waiting'. |
| 09:54.19 | aetoxx | The probability of finding something which is not yet fixed everywhere is about 1. |
| 09:54.19 | ksuhku | somethinginteres, I suppose so, don't remember the exact details |
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| 09:59.54 | somethinginteres | ksuhku: thanks. The other problem I have is the netinst told me my network adapter needs closed source drivers from a USB. Will the system install without correctly without net access? |
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| 10:01.49 | ksuhku | somethinginteres, no it won't. Either install those damned drivers or use wired connection |
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| 10:02.22 | somethinginteres | ksuhku: OK thanks for the help. |
| 10:02.54 | ksuhku | somethinginteres, welcome under the debian spiral dude |
| 10:03.35 | somethinginteres | ksuhku: *tips hat* |
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| 10:05.26 | Iridos | aetoxx, June 30th to July 2nd doesn't seem such an awful long time to me |
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| 10:08.35 | aetoxx | Iridos, the issue is still open, isn't it? |
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| 10:11.08 | Iridos | aetoxx, which one |
| 10:12.06 | aetoxx | Iridos, I remember giving only one number. |
| 10:12.17 | Iridos | aetoxx, did you READ the bug report? |
| 10:12.46 | aetoxx | Iridos, I read that its status is still 'open'. |
| 10:12.59 | Iridos | I read that statement as "no" |
| 10:13.19 | aetoxx | Iridos, I did read it, btw. |
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| 10:14.04 | Iridos | then you saw that 3 things were reported |
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| 10:14.37 | aetoxx | Iridos, yes, and not all of them (including a security issue) have been fixed. |
| 10:15.01 | Iridos | and I was asking you which you were referring to |
| 10:15.26 | aetoxx | Iridos, any of the things which are not fixed, I don't even care about that program. |
| 10:15.47 | aetoxx | Iridos, it was just an example. |
| 10:16.05 | Iridos | I dunno... a ddos in a messenger program doesn't look like a severe security flaw to me |
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| 10:16.49 | Iridos | a ddos from one of your "friends" |
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| 10:17.51 | Iridos | s/dd/d/ |
| 10:18.07 | aetoxx | Iridos, yeah, I already thought for a second you had no idea what you were talking about. |
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| 10:18.36 | aetoxx | Iridos, people communicating with each other don't necessarily are 'good friends'. |
| 10:18.59 | aetoxx | Iridos, anyway, I just think this means that security is not taken seriously. |
| 10:19.11 | aetoxx | Iridos, thereby demonstrating my original claim. |
| 10:19.31 | aetoxx | If the same thing would happen in apache, people would be rolling over eachother to fix it. |
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| 10:19.57 | aetoxx | Some packages are just more equal than others; denying that seems to deny reality. |
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| 10:21.25 | Iridos | are you saying you're using pidgin as a webserver? |
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| 10:22.27 | aetoxx | Iridos, no, but if you continue like this, I will be saying that you look like the minister of information of Iraq. |
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| 10:23.34 | Iridos | well, you're free to say what you like... and I think you've already adequately enough capitlized on that freedom |
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| 10:26.35 | aetoxx | Iridos, do you think that your comment regarding pidgin as a webserver was reasonable? |
| 10:26.58 | aetoxx | Or in fact, does anyone? |
| 10:27.14 | Iridos | I think I'll stop feeding you. Have a nice day |
| 10:27.35 | aetoxx | Iridos, you are the only troll here, but you too have a nice day. |
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| 10:35.15 | Iridos | oh, excuse me. I thought someone who doesn't see a difference between a dos attack from one of the buddies on a private messenger and from anyone on the internet on a webserver to be a) really stupid or b) a troll |
| 10:35.34 | Iridos | I thought I was mistaken, but perhaps I put you in the wrong category |
| 10:35.49 | Iridos | also, plonk |
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| 10:40.18 | vampi-the-frog | hi guys. I'm trying to convert a logical partition to a primary partition. I'm using gparted live cd, and netinst live. i tried deleting the extended partitions and creating a primary partition with the same start and end cylinders, but it fails to mount (invalid argument). If I recreate the extended partition and the partitions inside it, it returns to normal (can mount)... any ideas? |
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| 10:41.13 | tremon | vampi-the-frog: use fdisk -u instead of relying on block/sector numbers |
| 10:41.32 | tremon | s/sector/cylinder/ |
| 10:41.37 | vampi-the-frog | I see |
| 10:41.45 | vampi-the-frog | Will try, thanks! |
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| 10:49.14 | abc_ | HI, Dose anybody know that, is there a firefox for debian :) |
| 10:49.22 | mosno | abc_, iceweasel |
| 10:49.26 | Nunus | iceweasel |
| 10:50.14 | shivam | mosno_ , but i dosen't support plugins |
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| 10:50.29 | shivam | mosno_, of firefox |
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| 10:50.56 | shivam | mosno_, like firebug |
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| 10:55.09 | sephii | shivam: why not? |
| 10:55.41 | sephii | shivam: apt-get install iceweasel-firebug |
| 10:55.43 | shivam | i tried once i was not able to install plugin .. |
| 10:55.53 | shivam | ok |
| 10:56.01 | shivam | means by shell |
| 10:56.27 | shivam | sephii_, there was some version problume |
| 10:57.16 | sephii | shivam: what version of Debian are you using? squeeze? |
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| 11:00.22 | ksk | im using iceweasel in testing and can use all plugins so far |
| 11:00.30 | ksk | ( i do not install them via package-manager ) |
| 11:02.22 | sephii | me too, but iceweasel in squeeze is a quite old version and you might not find the right version of addons on the mozilla website |
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| 11:05.56 | skilz_ | How can I browse a directory I specify on my Debian server through my Mac OS X Network browser? |
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| 11:06.03 | skilz_ | So I can drag and drop |
| 11:06.22 | crylx | hi, can somebody recommend me a ldap browser/connecting client from apt? |
| 11:06.53 | DelTree | ldap-utils |
| 11:06.56 | nkuttler | skilz_: smb? |
| 11:09.01 | skilz_ | nkuttler, Yeah I just want a really easy way to do it like an installer script or something really basic and easy not complicated just to read and write |
| 11:09.19 | skilz_ | No mucking around |
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| 11:11.15 | crylx | DelTree: thx |
| 11:12.18 | DelTree | crylx: welcome... I'm working on ldap right now... ^_^ |
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| 11:15.19 | skilz_ | nkuttler, Are you talking about Server Message Block? or Samba? |
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| 11:16.05 | rm- | wheew... lots of people |
| 11:16.17 | sephii | skilz_: samba |
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| 11:17.36 | fnordsniff | hai |
| 11:18.25 | somethinginteres | When grabbing third-party drivers to use during install from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/firmware/squeeze/current/ do I need to extract the debs for netinst to be able to find the firmware file or leave the debs as the are? |
| 11:19.13 | skilz_ | sephii, Any GUI to setup to make my life easier? |
| 11:20.14 | DelTree | life is easier without bad GUIs... ^_^ |
| 11:20.32 | skilz_ | Not for me, I'm a Mac guy |
| 11:20.42 | sephii | skilz_: I know you have guis on popular DEs like KDE |
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| 11:20.56 | skilz_ | I just use Debian to do my dirty work :) |
| 11:21.09 | skilz_ | sephii, What GUI for setting up samba? |
| 11:21.55 | simonlnu | !swat |
| 11:21.56 | dpkg | methinks swat is Special Weapons And Tactics, or <Samba> Web Administration Tool: 'aptitude install swat' and 'invoke-rc.d openbsd-inetd restart', then point your web browser at http://localhost:901/ |
| 11:22.01 | DelTree | Mac ? horror... |
| 11:22.30 | sephii | skilz_: well samba is quite easy to set up, even without a gui.. in theory |
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| 11:23.57 | simonlnu | best bet if you wanna use swat, is set samba up, then remove swat. then work from there. it'll get something working right away, and you don't want some stray web app lying around. |
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| 11:24.22 | Peetz0r | The best gui ever is the shell |
| 11:24.30 | simonlnu | shell++ |
| 11:24.32 | NishaKitty | is there any chance variables in a bash script can overwrite system variables? |
| 11:24.41 | NishaKitty | or does that only happen via export |
| 11:25.05 | simonlnu | only while running, and you can move them around |
| 11:25.14 | NishaKitty | ok thanks |
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| 11:31.04 | aetoxx | Peetz0r, good luck with creating handwriting via the shell (e.g. Photoshop, etc.). |
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| 11:32.13 | luxor | hi, i have an issue with my bash script who work on another distribution of linux (arch) but doesn't on debian. |
| 11:32.34 | luxor | i alrerady had this problem and i had to change something in my debian but i don't remember what |
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| 11:32.46 | tremon | luxor: let me guess, your script starts with #!/bin/sh ? |
| 11:32.55 | luxor | i run the script via sh script.sh |
| 11:32.58 | luxor | yes tremon |
| 11:33.11 | tremon | if it's a bash script, you should use #!/bin/bash |
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| 11:33.40 | tremon | or, in your case, bash script.sh |
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| 11:35.20 | luxor | mhh i tryed both, running script via bash and #!/bin/bash and via sh |
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| 11:35.42 | luxor | the same result, it don't understand my conditional parameter |
| 11:36.38 | tremon | in that case there may be a bash version mismatch between the systems. pastebin the script and error message? |
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| 11:39.36 | luxor | http://pastebin.com/nmQt0dyL http://pastebin.com/Ce7r5hUe |
| 11:40.32 | skilz_ | hmm I can see the samba share but when I click Authenticate and enter login and password I get "The alias "Ataraxia" could not be opened, because the original item cannot be found" |
| 11:41.01 | luxor | error translation : cat file not found, binary operator |
| 11:41.04 | tremon | luxor: can you repeat the command after setting LC_ALL=C? My french is a bit rusty... |
| 11:41.08 | tremon | thanks :) |
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| 11:42.05 | tremon | put quotes around your variables. And the preferred way is if [ -z "$VARIABLE" |
| 11:42.53 | tremon | (instead of "$VAR" = "") |
| 11:43.17 | DelTree | or x"$VAR" = x... ^_^ |
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| 11:43.46 | tremon | DelTree: it's used a lot but I think it's ugly :) |
| 11:43.53 | babilen | recommends http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashGuide and #bash :) |
| 11:43.58 | themill | party like it's 1985 |
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| 11:44.09 | DelTree | tremon: is "-z" posix ? |
| 11:44.33 | tremon | DelTree: he said he's writing a bash script... |
| 11:44.48 | DelTree | tremon: side question... ;) |
| 11:45.37 | tremon | (oblig. pc: he or she of course) |
| 11:45.59 | luxor | well tremon it work better with that, now an error with binary operator and if [ $MANYUSER =~ ^[0-9]+$ ]; then |
| 11:46.12 | luxor | and "her" in my case ^^ |
| 11:46.19 | luxor | he** |
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| 11:46.26 | DelTree | luxor: "$MANYUSER" |
| 11:46.33 | DelTree | always use "" |
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| 11:46.49 | luxor | yep i tryed also, same result |
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| 11:47.15 | DelTree | x"$MANYUSER" ? |
| 11:47.18 | tremon | luxor, which debian version? |
| 11:47.38 | DelTree | always the same dirty trick for empty variables... :/ |
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| 11:48.15 | tremon | luxor, nevermind, both stable and testing have bash 4+ |
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| 11:48.36 | luxor | i'm on stable one |
| 11:48.40 | luxor | up to date |
| 11:48.59 | themill | you might want to double check that [ supports =~ |
| 11:49.17 | tremon | you're using [[ on line 22 and [ on line 42 |
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| 11:51.57 | skilz_ | What permission number is read and write? |
| 11:52.11 | tremon | 6 |
| 11:52.30 | skilz_ | no |
| 11:52.36 | nkuttler | yes it is |
| 11:52.43 | nkuttler | !tell skilz_ about permissions |
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| 11:55.55 | Escherial | hey, i'm having a hard time setting the default python installation...for some reason, my machine wants to use python 2.6 no matter what i do with the exception of mod_wsgi, which uses 2.7 |
| 11:56.13 | Escherial | any ideas? :| i will be forever grateful |
| 11:56.21 | themill | Escherial: which release of debian is this? |
| 11:57.05 | Escherial | squeeze, 6.0.2, i believe? |
| 11:58.16 | themill | Escherial: squeeze doesn't have python2.7 at all |
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| 11:58.40 | Escherial | themill: i added a source for it to /etc/apt/sources.list :\ which in retrospect was probably a mistake |
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| 11:58.45 | themill | indeed |
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| 12:00.00 | themill | Escherial: can you pastebin for me the output of "apt-cache policy; apt-cache policy python python2.6 python2.7 libapache2-mod-wsgi dpkg libc6 apt" |
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| 12:01.34 | Escherial | themill: http://dpaste.org/wCkFI/ |
| 12:02.11 | Escherial | i was in the middle of attempting to remove python2.7 in order to reinstall mod-wsgi with hopefully only a dependency on 2.6 |
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| 12:03.09 | themill | Escherial: you have an intriguing mixture of lenny, squeeze and wheezy here. It would be good to converge just on squeeze about now :) |
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| 12:03.34 | Escherial | themill: that would be nice, agreed :) i've been wrestling with it for the past 6-8 hours or so |
| 12:03.52 | Escherial | not really sure how to go about doing that, though... |
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| 12:05.01 | themill | dpkg: tell Escherial about not available |
| 12:05.12 | themill | bah.. nice timing |
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| 12:05.43 | themill | dpkg: tell Escherial about not available |
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| 12:06.18 | themill | Escherial: can you pastebin the output of that long aptitude command? I just want to double check that you don't have a pile of other packages that need downgrading too. (the output of "aptitude search ~o" would also be useful to see) |
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| 12:07.16 | Escherial | sure, here's that first long one of which dpkg informed me: http://dpaste.org/jE7qP/ |
| 12:07.48 | Escherial | and this is aptitude search ~o: http://dpaste.org/cwBNY/ |
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| 12:09.11 | themill | Escherial: "aptitude install python2.7-minimal_ python=2.6.6-3+squeeze6 libapache2-mod-wsgi=3.3-2" will hopefully sort that bit out for you. If it doesn't, we'll just keep on using an increasingly large hammer by specifying more packages and more versions on the command line. |
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| 12:10.25 | misch | y hello #debain, somoene knows a good linux live cd with implemented clam av or similar tool? |
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| 12:11.16 | skilz_ | 755 is set to a folder I want to read and write to, what number should it be? |
| 12:11.30 | skilz_ | 1000 |
| 12:11.31 | nkuttler | skilz_: 755 is fine |
| 12:11.35 | skilz_ | Level 1000 |
| 12:11.35 | tremon | skilz_: depends on the owner |
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| 12:11.44 | skilz_ | oh |
| 12:12.06 | babilen | misch: Debian Live's rescue image (e.g. http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/release/current-live/amd64/iso-hybrid/debian-live-6.0.3-amd64-rescue.iso) has clamav -- GRML (http://www.grml.org) might have it too. |
| 12:12.32 | misch | great babilen, going to burn a cd :Ü |
| 12:12.33 | misch | :P |
| 12:12.35 | babilen | !tell misch about debian live |
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| 12:12.56 | Escherial | themill: well, it looks like it's using the right version of python, but django's still throwing a 500 |
| 12:13.34 | themill | Escherial: one thing at a time... did apt sort out those versions ok and install the right versions of python? |
| 12:13.36 | Escherial | i have a feeling it's because python-sqlite isn't installed, but aptitude is failing to install it |
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| 12:13.38 | misch | is it correct that booting a computer with a live cd makes it impossible to infect the hdds with infected files then? |
| 12:14.11 | Escherial | themill: i think so; the server error page is saying python 2.6.6 now |
| 12:14.17 | tremon | misch: no, that's incorrect |
| 12:14.29 | misch | e.g. http://google.com/link/ points to an virus,,,, |
| 12:14.36 | Escherial | (whereas before it was 2.7, which is why i assume it couldn't find django at all, since pip was configured to install only to 2.6) |
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| 12:14.40 | babilen | misch: No, that depends on the live cd -- you could very well use one that intentionally infects a computer with malware and virii |
| 12:14.49 | misch | sry, i meant only when i surf into the web, not if i downloaded something to my hdd |
| 12:14.56 | themill | Escherial: are you using the debian django packages? |
| 12:15.33 | tremon | misch: you can still infect the hdd if it's mounted... |
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| 12:15.44 | Escherial | themill: no, i'd installed it via pip |
| 12:15.50 | themill | cries a little |
| 12:16.05 | Escherial | the version of django on the repo looks kind of ancient, though... |
| 12:16.11 | themill | 1.3.1? |
| 12:16.22 | misch | oki, i could unmount all hdd's while i am work with my live cd? |
| 12:16.45 | tremon | misch: they shouldn't be mounted in the first place |
| 12:16.52 | Escherial | ah, for some reason i thought it was 1.2...i can't tell which version it is; the installation errored out with dependency issues |
| 12:16.52 | misch | great |
| 12:16.53 | babilen | Escherial: You can install Django 1.3.1 from backports (/msg dpkg bdo) |
| 12:17.02 | babilen | ,versions python-django |
| 12:17.03 | judd | Package: python-django on i386 -- lenny: 1.0.2-1+lenny2; lenny-proposed-updates: 1.0.2-1+lenny3; lenny-security: 1.0.2-1+lenny3; lenny-backports: 1.1.1-1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 1.2.3-3+squeeze2; squeeze-security: 1.2.3-3+squeeze2; squeeze-backports: 1.3.1-2~bpo60+1; sid: 1.3.1-4; wheezy: 1.3.1-4 |
| 12:17.19 | Escherial | specifically, this: http://dpaste.org/JhfnU/ |
| 12:17.21 | themill | babilen: don't suppose you know if pip offers an easy way to uninstall bits does it? |
| 12:17.34 | babilen | themill: pip has "uninstall" |
| 12:17.44 | themill | Escherial: ^^ that sounds like a good thing to be doing. |
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| 12:18.16 | nkuttler | Escherial: next time use pip inside a virtualenv |
| 12:18.25 | Escherial | nkuttler: indeed :\ |
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| 12:18.38 | themill | Escherial: I'd also like to see the full output of "aptitude -f install" to work out why apt is currently unhappy. |
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| 12:19.10 | babilen | Escherial: I would also recommend to *always* use virtualenv whenever you want to setup your own Python environment. virtualenvwrapper (both are available from the cheeseshop) provides some commands to make virtualenv even easier to use. |
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| 12:19.58 | babilen | should stop writing such elaborate sentences (too slow for the likes of nkuttler) |
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| 12:20.20 | themill | (virtualenvwrapper is also in debian) |
| 12:20.23 | Escherial | themill: here's the full output of that command: http://dpaste.org/vn98A/ |
| 12:20.24 | babilen | \o/ |
| 12:20.48 | themill | egads |
| 12:21.01 | hurtigbuffer | !elaborate babilen |
| 12:21.02 | Escherial | right, i was just reading up on how to create a virtualenv, but i'm not sure it would've helped that whole mod_wsgi being built for 2.7 versus the default installation being 2.6 thing |
| 12:21.30 | Escherial | virtualenv was producing a 2.6 environment, which was incompatible with mod_wsgi for python 2.7...anyhow, that problem's fortunately solved, i think |
| 12:21.52 | themill | Escherial: what does "ls -l /usr/bin/python" say? |
| 12:22.25 | themill | and what version of the python-minimal package do you have installed? |
| 12:22.37 | babilen | hopes this error is not due to the "no matter what i do" bit in Escherial initial question |
| 12:22.40 | Escherial | interestingly, /usr/bin/python doesn't seem to exist |
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| 12:23.07 | skilz_ | I can't write to directory 'Music' permission is drwxr-xr-x |
| 12:23.09 | skilz_ | Look okay? |
| 12:23.15 | skilz_ | it's mounted on samba |
| 12:23.20 | Escherial | themill: as for the second question, i have no idea what i have installed now |
| 12:23.25 | skilz_ | but I can't drag and drop in it |
| 12:23.27 | luxor | it's working now :) |
| 12:23.33 | luxor | thanks for help |
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| 12:23.47 | babilen | skilz_: Depends on the owner (only the owner may write, others merely read and "execute" it) |
| 12:23.51 | themill | Escherial: "apt-cache policy python-minimal" hopefully points to 2.6.6-3+squeeze6, but it sounds like you've not got it installed at all, somehow |
| 12:24.00 | skilz_ | I'm the owner |
| 12:24.01 | nkuttler | Escherial: looks like the apt-get -f install command went wrong, or did i miss something? |
| 12:24.07 | skilz_ | Can |
| 12:24.14 | Escherial | it did; there's some dependency issue |
| 12:24.18 | skilz_ | Can't anyone read and write? |
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| 12:24.30 | themill | Escherial: can you "aptitude -f install python-minimal=2.6.6-3+squeeze6" and see if that sorts it out? |
| 12:24.35 | nkuttler | /usr/share/python/runtime.d/public_modules.rtinstall: /usr/bin/pycompile: /usr/bin/python: bad interpreter: No such file or directory |
| 12:24.41 | skilz_ | This is bull shit, I shouldn't have to ftp or scp just to copy files to my server |
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| 12:24.49 | Escherial | themill: apt-get -f install indicates that it's 2.6.6-3+squeeze6, yes :) |
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| 12:25.20 | nkuttler | Escherial: er, do you have any python interpreter in /usr/bin/ ? |
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| 12:25.25 | Escherial | themill: tried that again, same issues |
| 12:25.33 | babilen | skilz_: "touch /path/to/Music/foo42232342 && rm /path/to/Music/foo42232342" ? If that doesn't work it is most likely due to your Samba configuration or ACLs (if used, check with getfacl) |
| 12:25.49 | Escherial | nkuttler: not "python" specifically, but python2.5 and python2.6 are there |
| 12:25.58 | Escherial | should i make a symlink named "python"? |
| 12:26.07 | nkuttler | Escherial: sounds like a good plan |
| 12:26.08 | babilen | skilz_: You might also just give everybody write permissions (a+w or 777) if that is what you want. |
| 12:26.11 | skilz_ | foo42232342 |
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| 12:26.42 | themill | Escherial: you wouldn't normally tough that symlink, but in this case link it to python2.6 |
| 12:26.46 | babilen | skilz_: Does that command succeed or does it complain about not having the needed permissions to create the file? |
| 12:27.04 | skilz_ | Which command? 777? |
| 12:27.05 | Escherial | ok, heh, attempting to install python worked considerably better that time |
| 12:27.12 | themill | excellent. |
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| 12:27.53 | babilen | skilz_: No, the "touch ... && rm ..." one (that will create a file and delete it afterwards if the creation succeeded) |
| 12:28.00 | themill | Escherial: so we want to get to the stage where "aptitude -f install" completes without apt feeling the need to do anything. Once there, we need to upgrade your packages to squeeze and then double check that there's nothing left from wheezy. |
| 12:28.00 | nkuttler | Escherial: you should probably also clean up your pinning preferences |
| 12:28.14 | nkuttler | Escherial: nm, listen to themill |
| 12:28.14 | skilz_ | do I need the /foo22ect? |
| 12:28.24 | themill | nkuttler: there's no pinning there any more |
| 12:28.28 | nkuttler | ah, i see |
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| 12:28.37 | Escherial | aptitude -f install seems to have reached a fixed point |
| 12:28.45 | themill | Escherial: is it completing without errors? |
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| 12:28.53 | Escherial | yep :) seems like it's satisfied |
| 12:29.14 | skilz_ | ba |
| 12:29.16 | skilz_ | babilen, |
| 12:29.20 | babilen | skilz_: No, you don't need that file. I merely want to check if you are allowed to create a file there and tried to come up with a filename that most likely does not exist yet. (be careful if it does) -- Also paste "ls -l /path/to/Music" and "getfacl /path/to/Music" to http://paste.debian.net |
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| 12:29.32 | Escherial | so, how do i go about updating to squeeze and eradicating wheezy? i thought i'd updated to squeeze earlier today, but apparently it didn't go so well |
| 12:29.49 | themill | !show sources.list Escherial |
| 12:29.49 | dpkg | Escherial: Please pastebin the contents of your /etc/apt/sources.list and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*.list. The easiest way to do this is to pastebin the output of: find /etc/apt/ -name '*.list' -printf "\n%p:\n" -exec cat {} \; |
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| 12:30.01 | themill | Escherial: let's just double check that you're on squeeze only sources first |
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| 12:30.14 | skilz_ | Why can't I add a new samba user? |
| 12:30.21 | skilz_ | I just made a new user account |
| 12:31.06 | Escherial | themill: here you go: http://dpaste.org/F9zOm/ |
| 12:31.31 | Escherial | i don't see anything there that's non-squeeze that's not commented out |
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| 12:32.11 | themill | Escherial: yep, looks fine. Line 19 is dynamite... don't do that again until you want to upgrade the entire thing to wheezy. You may as well enable contrib if you're going to have non-free, btw (line 22) |
| 12:32.58 | skilz_ | babilen, Fixed it, it was a Samba config error |
| 12:33.00 | skilz_ | :) |
| 12:33.03 | themill | Escherial: but beside that, "aptitude full-upgrade" will want to do somethings -- perhaps pastebin its planned solution just to make sure it looks sane. |
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| 12:33.56 | Escherial | results of aptitude full-upgrade: http://dpaste.org/Qb2T1/ |
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| 12:34.31 | Escherial | seems like an awful lot considering that i'm pretty sure i did this earlier today and haven't modified sources.list since |
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| 12:40.42 | ws2k3 | are there any good irc bnc servers in debian ? |
| 12:41.15 | ksk | aptitude search bnc |
| 12:41.34 | ksk | or not *g* |
| 12:41.36 | colo-work | I use irssi with irssi-proxy |
| 12:41.43 | colo-work | (compiled from source though) |
| 12:41.52 | colo-work | it works great |
| 12:42.13 | ksk | there was only 2 bouncers that are commonly used iirc anyways, guess they are in debian, too |
| 12:42.15 | ws2k3 | ksk u have any experience with sbnc ? |
| 12:42.19 | nkuttler | Escherial: well you had some packages pinned to oldstable. that would have prevented a full upgrade |
| 12:42.22 | ksk | nope |
| 12:42.27 | ksk | i got irssi running on a screen |
| 12:42.31 | ksk | >>> all ;) |
| 12:42.41 | misch | when i boot into live cf it tells me alot of this : http://paste.debian.net/157292/ |
| 12:42.45 | colo-work | yeah, esp. with irssi-proxy in the equation |
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| 12:50.17 | themill | Escherial: that upgrade looks safe. (some of these things are lenny->squeeze; some of them are recentish security updates) |
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| 12:51.30 | Escherial | continuing then :3 apologies if i'm unresponsive, it's early here :| |
| 12:51.47 | Escherial | and thank you profusely for all of the help; i'd likely have never sorted this out on my own |
| 12:52.00 | themill | no worries. (I was off rustling up some lunch myself) |
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| 12:52.28 | RichiH | i need to graph a simple dependency, similar to how debian dependencies are graphed |
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| 12:52.39 | RichiH | is there a quick way to do that from source? |
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| 12:53.30 | themill | RichiH: are you looking for something like debtree? |
| 12:56.20 | RichiH | themill: yes, but with generic input |
| 12:56.40 | themill | RichiH: ahh... xdot, graphviz, ... |
| 12:57.40 | ksk | how to find out, from which package a file comes from? |
| 12:57.57 | themill | ksk: dpkg -S, dlocate, apt-file |
| 12:58.02 | ksk | thx |
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| 13:01.42 | RichiH | themill: looks good. /me will see if that supports dependency resolution |
| 13:01.49 | RichiH | i.e. rearrange based on internal rules |
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| 13:02.46 | jelly | RichiH: step 1) reformat your input into a fake debian repo with packages and control files step 2) use debtree! |
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| 13:03.05 | jelly | no profit. |
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| 13:04.31 | themill | (see also apt-cache dotty) |
| 13:04.43 | RichiH | jelly: 3) weep silently at night |
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| 13:06.20 | jelly | RichiH: at least I didn't suggest a fake git repo and gitk! |
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| 13:07.20 | RichiH | jelly: i need broad, not deep, graphs |
| 13:07.27 | RichiH | http://www.graphviz.org/content/world |
| 13:07.35 | RichiH | that's pretty much it |
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| 13:11.47 | Rix | hi.. i silly question -> which is more stable centos or debian, thanks :) |
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| 13:12.26 | nkuttler | Rix: depends on your definition of stable... debian for me |
| 13:12.28 | mosno | Rix, if it is a silly question, then why ask it |
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| 13:12.38 | etene | Rix: maybe #debian is a bit biased regarding this question |
| 13:13.05 | themill | not biased at all. The answer is clearly that debian is better... |
| 13:13.07 | Rix | well ty for your answers.. im leaning towards debian a bit, but still thinking |
| 13:13.30 | nkuttler | Rix: try both, decide for yourself |
| 13:13.32 | Rix | debian is indestructable |
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| 13:13.40 | Rix | but centos = red hat |
| 13:13.41 | jelly | Rix: RHEL. |
| 13:13.43 | themill | Rix: the size of the debian archive is what wins it for me. (also having security support that doesn't take a 6 month break is kind of appreciated) |
| 13:13.50 | jelly | Rix: you get what you pay for! |
| 13:14.06 | themill | would cheerfully pay for debian over rhel |
| 13:14.10 | abrotman | Rix: ultimately, depends on what you use it for .. you'll have to do your own testing with your own setup |
| 13:14.17 | abrotman | themill: here here .. easilt |
| 13:14.19 | abrotman | ly |
| 13:14.19 | jelly | themill: sending you my paypal address! |
| 13:14.24 | Rix | abramart i thought that too |
| 13:14.36 | Rix | and i might do it |
| 13:14.38 | abrotman | !beer abramart |
| 13:14.38 | dpkg | pulls out an excellent Dogfishhead 90min IPA for abramart |
| 13:14.44 | Iridos | haha, well done |
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| 13:14.48 | Iridos | <themill> not biased at all. The answer is clearly that debian is better... |
| 13:14.53 | abrotman | wonders how many mistabs abramart gets per day in here .. |
| 13:14.55 | Rix | abrotman * |
| 13:14.57 | Rix | sorry :D |
| 13:15.29 | Rix | actually i asked the same in centos :) so that it wont be biased |
| 13:15.35 | Rix | but no reply there |
| 13:15.38 | Rix | yet |
| 13:15.39 | Rix | :) |
| 13:15.42 | mosno | Rix, how about asking someone impartial? |
| 13:15.50 | mosno | Rix, somewhere* |
| 13:16.08 | mosno | Rix, you don't think you're just going to get two sets of biased answers? |
| 13:16.09 | jelly | mosno: I think the RHEL answer was completely impartial. |
| 13:16.26 | mosno | jelly, yeah, typo, i meant to say "somewhere", not "someone" |
| 13:16.39 | Rix | mosno yes but still answers wont be the facter of my decision :) i just was curious to get oppinions |
| 13:16.44 | Iridos | mosno, like whom? Bill Gates? |
| 13:16.48 | Rix | factor* |
| 13:16.56 | Rix | haha Iridos :D |
| 13:16.59 | mosno | Iridos, ##linux comes to mind |
| 13:17.20 | Iridos | mosno, I doubt he's there |
| 13:17.26 | mosno | :P |
| 13:17.37 | abrotman | mosno: you're joking right? It just depends on which person you get in there .. |
| 13:17.41 | jelly | Rix: personally I'd use CentOS only if the app to be run specifically asked for RHEL or CentOS and nothing else. |
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| 13:18.20 | mosno | shrugs |
| 13:18.30 | TheWarden | Hi |
| 13:19.09 | ws2k3 | i see that znc is bnc server. but when i start it it says [ ** ] You are running ZNC as root! Don't do that! There are not many valid. as whish user i should run the znc deamon ? |
| 13:19.31 | TheWarden | What package do I need to install for my laptop's wifi driver, as it asked for the driver at install iwlwifi-4965.ucode. However I was told it's easier to install after the OS is installed. |
| 13:20.00 | abrotman | TheWarden: /msg dpkg iwl4965 |
| 13:20.05 | Rix | jelly also the fact that my university uses debian for its servers also means a lot.. (and it's the biggest uni in bulgaria) |
| 13:20.19 | jelly | ws2k3: run it as yourself, or create a separate user for the service. |
| 13:20.45 | ws2k3 | wel i'mself am root so thats not gonne work |
| 13:20.57 | jelly | Rix: it's good to have local know-how and people to ask about the distro. |
| 13:21.09 | mosno | Rix, i've run both in real-world businesses... Debian is far better imho |
| 13:21.11 | jelly | ws2k3: don't be root. |
| 13:21.15 | ws2k3 | i know. |
| 13:21.22 | ws2k3 | whish is bether adduser or useradd ? |
| 13:21.22 | jelly | now you know twice. |
| 13:21.24 | Rix | thanks a lot for your oppinions :) |
| 13:21.43 | jelly | ws2k3: adduser is supposed to be easier and a bit interactive. |
| 13:22.06 | z\\zz | How can I properly change my system language to English? It's currently in German |
| 13:22.27 | DelTree | dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 13:22.32 | z\\zz | I used dpkg-reconfigure locales, removed the german option added an english option (one of the twenty or so) |
| 13:22.44 | z\\zz | But occasionally some stuff is still displayed in German |
| 13:22.50 | DelTree | where ? |
| 13:22.54 | abrotman | Rix: at least be happy you have a choice |
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| 13:22.56 | TheWarden | abrotman: thanks, but do I also need firmware-iwlwifi and wireless-tools package? |
| 13:22.57 | DelTree | OOo ? |
| 13:23.03 | z\\zz | Some places, for example when I do ls -l |
| 13:23.04 | abrotman | thewboth |
| 13:23.18 | abrotman | uh .. TheWarden both |
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| 13:23.29 | z\\zz | Instead of "total 16" it says "insgesamt 16" |
| 13:23.48 | z\\zz | I notice /etc/environment still has some German references |
| 13:23.50 | TheWarden | abrotman: okay so install all three, thanks. I'll give it a try hopefully tonight. |
| 13:23.55 | DelTree | did you check you environment variables in the shell ? |
| 13:24.23 | z\\zz | How do I do that? I should preface this by saying I'm a linux noob |
| 13:24.29 | themill | z\\zz: did you log out and log back in after doing this? How are you logging in? |
| 13:24.33 | DelTree | I don't even have this file |
| 13:24.37 | z\\zz | SSH, it's a remote webserver |
| 13:24.55 | abrotman | wonders how two equals three ... |
| 13:25.08 | DelTree | env or set commands will show you the variables... |
| 13:25.21 | Rix | I guess for private server use debian is far better than red hat/centos.. and only when a big company needs task-specific servers maybe pay for red hat? and centos fills some gap (i.e. for small companies or large servers that dont need rhet) |
| 13:25.31 | themill | z\\zz: your local settings on the machine you are sshing from will affect the locale that the remote machine uses. |
| 13:25.52 | Rix | still debian may be the choice for large servers too |
| 13:25.58 | TheWarden | abrotman: I mentioned to packages and you said to install dpkg iwl4965 |
| 13:26.20 | z\\zz | local machine is completely in english, I log in with PuTTY with no additional language files installed... unless it's hidden in the PuTTY settings somewhere |
| 13:26.27 | z\\zz | I'll have a lot |
| 13:26.38 | z\\zz | look* |
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| 13:27.05 | abrotman | TheWarden: that's a bot command .. for IRC .. /msg dpkg iwl4965 .. the bot will tell you which packages |
| 13:28.12 | TheWarden | abrotman: oh lol, thanks. |
| 13:28.49 | z\\zz | themill: Works now, I relogged... guess that was what was missing |
| 13:28.52 | z\\zz | Thanks |
| 13:30.33 | zutalors | /leave #debian |
| 13:30.44 | DelTree | fail ! |
| 13:30.51 | Synthead | I'm trying to build a usb stick that boots the hd-media vmlinuz & initrd.gz to fire up an .iso file on the filesystem. Right now, I have a drive with one bootable patition of type 83, ext3-formatted, with the said files and grub on it. It boots and starts the installer fine, but never sees the .iso file on the drive. If I go to a console (Alt-F2), I can mount the drive to /mnt and see the .iso. Whats' wrong? |
| 13:30.52 | etene | Zut alors! |
| 13:31.00 | DelTree | :)) |
| 13:31.10 | DelTree | y'a des francophones dans l'assemblée... ^_^ |
| 13:31.19 | etene | :D |
| 13:31.31 | zutalors | Help, get me out of here |
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| 13:31.46 | DelTree | zutalors: /part |
| 13:31.48 | Synthead | haha |
| 13:31.59 | zutalors | Merci |
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| 13:38.22 | dels | hi |
| 13:39.01 | dels | is a ipv6 addr marked as a temp addr like on mac os (there is an addr with "temporal" attribute shown by ifconfig) |
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| 13:41.42 | TheWarden | Is there anyone that has installed the MS SQL Server ODBC Linux Driver on Debian? I'm getting a ./install.sh: 22: Syntax error: "(" unexpected when trying to run ./install.sh verify or ./install.sh install |
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| 13:42.28 | mosno | TheWarden, wild guess: perhaps it is expecting sh to be bash not dash |
| 13:43.12 | mosno | TheWarden, have you tried reading the script? |
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| 13:44.12 | TheWarden | mosno: ahh I'm trying to run the bash script and that is done ./ at least that's how I've done it in the past. |
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| 13:44.44 | TheWarden | mosno: as of yet no I have not read the script as I didn't write it nor do I have much knowledge of this driver. I just want to be able to connect to SQL Server via PHP. |
| 13:44.54 | babilen | TheWarden: The script is probably buggy in that it expects /bin/sh to be bash while your system uses dash -- Either fix it or execute it with "bash the-script.sh" |
| 13:45.28 | Dagger3 | dels: erm... temporary addresses should be marked as temporary, and non-temporary ones should not |
| 13:45.29 | technologov | How-to reopen bug (in "done" state) ? I see this, but it says only about "closed" state vs. "done" state... |
| 13:45.36 | technologov | http://www.debian.org/Bugs/server-control#reopen |
| 13:45.57 | moje | is netCDF libraries available in stable repositories? i am looking for them to use for compiling wrf. i got libnetcdf6 but idk where libraries are actually installed. dpkg says these things are installed under /usr/lib but when i enter this address in the installation of wrf, it says u sucks! this is not what i am lookin for dude |
| 13:46.11 | etene | TheWarden: I think odbc is quite slow, you should use http://php.net/manual/en/book.mssql.php |
| 13:46.14 | themill | TheWarden: I'm presuming that you've carefully checked that this thing isn't already in debian |
| 13:46.29 | themill | technologov: which bug number? |
| 13:46.39 | technologov | #660891 |
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| 13:46.58 | TheWarden | babilen: interesting okay, never knew that. I gave that a go and dang thing failed. Claims I'm not running 64-bit os yet I installed amd-64. |
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| 13:47.22 | dels | Dagger3: i did sysctl -w net.ipv6.conf.default.use_tempaddr=2, restarted my interface and have two ipv6 addresses now, but both have attrib Scope:Global and nothing else |
| 13:47.25 | TheWarden | etene: yeah I know I don't like using ODBC but I've been told that is the only option I have apparently. |
| 13:47.53 | TheWarden | themill: I've searched for hours online trying to find something specific for this on Debian or just in general and I've come up very empty. |
| 13:48.14 | themill | technologov: it would be more productive if you opened a new bug to this effect in the *upstream* bug tracker for this thing. |
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| 13:48.41 | themill | technologov: (a bug report that says "please give a nicer failure message", nothing more) |
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| 13:48.54 | MRCracker | hi all, my friend have problems with his sound card, linux can't find sound card. what he shoud do know? |
| 13:49.03 | MRCracker | he use debian 6 |
| 13:49.26 | Dagger3 | dels: ah, right. I just got them working on here, and yeah, that appears to be the case. `ip a` mentions "temporary" for the temporary address though, so I guess this is yet another case where ifconfig being deprecated is a problem |
| 13:49.41 | technologov | themill, ok |
| 13:49.43 | CruX| | MRCracker: is it pci soundcard ? |
| 13:50.02 | MRCracker | my be. he have laptop |
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| 13:50.17 | technologov | thanks |
| 13:50.33 | MRCracker | bas@debian:~$ cat /proc/asound/cards |
| 13:50.33 | MRCracker | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:50.33 | MRCracker | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:51.03 | CruX| | MRCracker: then your card is recognized.. isn't muted ? |
| 13:51.08 | nsadmin | MRCracker: cat /proc/asound/cards | pastebinit |
| 13:51.17 | TheWarden | I did install php5-odbc which I thought would be enough for me to do this on Debian but now I'm lost as to how to connect. |
| 13:51.19 | dels | Dagger3: oh using ip is a good hint |
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| 13:52.08 | MRCracker | he asked these in forum. what i should say to him? |
| 13:52.42 | Synthead | any thoughts on the usb installer? |
| 13:52.49 | dels | Dagger3: o.k .there it is: scope global temporary dynamic thx! |
| 13:52.52 | MRCracker | CruX|: i don't think |
| 13:53.34 | CruX| | MRCracker: and what problem you have ? device isn't detected or device is playing and you can't hear anything ? |
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| 13:53.49 | dels | o.k. can anybody tell me why one have to set use_tempaddr to 2 and not just 1? |
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| 13:54.45 | etene | TheWarden: I would look into the php5-sybase package |
| 13:54.58 | MRCracker | CruX|: how i can know it is detected or not? |
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| 13:55.14 | Dagger3 | use_tempaddr=2 means to generate privacy addresses and prefer them; 1 is generate but prefer public addresses |
| 13:55.15 | CruX| | MRCracker: in your music player |
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| 13:55.25 | nsadmin | Synthead, if this is in reference to a question you may have already asked, put the question together with all details with a thought to being informative into a pastebin (or file you can later pastebin many times, and pastebin that)... this should make things more convenient to ask. Update the file when you get new info or new questions. |
| 13:56.03 | Synthead | nsadmin: I'm trying to build a usb stick that boots the hd-media vmlinuz & initrd.gz to fire up an .iso file on the filesystem. Right now, I have a drive with one bootable patition of type 83, ext3-formatted, with the said files and grub on it. It boots and starts the installer fine, but never sees the .iso file on the drive. If I go to a console (Alt-F2), I can mount the drive to /mnt and see the .iso. Whats' wrong? |
| 13:56.09 | MRCracker | CruX|: not any command to show this? his not online now |
| 13:56.11 | nsadmin | "any thoughts on XYZ" seems to have resulted in the above post :) |
| 13:56.56 | nsadmin | Synthead, isn't there instructions for booting the installer in the... |
| 13:57.03 | nsadmin | !ig |
| 13:57.04 | dpkg | The Debian Installation Guide for Squeeze (6.0) can be found at http://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/installmanual . See also <errata> <firmware images> <installer firmware> <release notes>. |
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| 13:57.08 | nsadmin | ...? |
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| 13:57.33 | ciao | ciao |
| 13:57.49 | nsadmin | nsadmin |
| 13:57.52 | ciao | !list |
| 13:57.53 | dpkg | ciao: È possibile di scaricare un sacco di software libero puntando il tuo browser a http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-6.0.4-amd64-i386-netinst.iso ! |
| 13:58.13 | Synthead | nsadmin: I followed http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s03.html.en, but the instructions don't seem to work. |
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| 13:59.35 | nsadmin | ok, what is it that doesn't work (note, there is a !doesn't work for your info and convenience) |
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| 14:00.05 | Synthead | nsadmin: it doesn't find the .iso file on the drive. |
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| 14:00.28 | nsadmin | ok, did you use the flexible or simple method for preping the stick? |
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| 14:00.53 | Monarquista | #debian-offtopic |
| 14:00.57 | Synthead | nsadmin: flexible |
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| 14:01.21 | nsadmin | ok, so you formatted the stick, made dirs then copied stuff? |
| 14:01.39 | Synthead | nsadmin: yes |
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| 14:01.58 | nsadmin | how exactly did you write the image to the stick? |
| 14:02.04 | Synthead | nsadmin: cp |
| 14:02.26 | nsadmin | it sounds like you did everything right |
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| 14:03.16 | nsadmin | can you do a listing of the files on the stick, and see where the image ended up? |
| 14:03.21 | Synthead | nsadmin: sure |
| 14:04.32 | Synthead | nsadmin: http://codepad.org/VQwwz3Ql |
| 14:04.43 | nsadmin | one thing that might be required, is whatever you're using as the boot loaded needs to be configured to tell it where things are |
| 14:04.50 | nsadmin | but I'm getting ahead of myself |
| 14:05.39 | Synthead | nsadmin: this is my menu.lst http://codepad.org/Y2x2hTPu |
| 14:05.39 | nsadmin | ok, you used a cd 1 |
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| 14:06.46 | TheWarden | etene: I have that package installed and it works fine for anything older then SQL Server 2005 but not included 2005. |
| 14:07.03 | TheWarden | etene: that's using the dblib |
| 14:07.41 | etene | TheWarden: Well then i guess you're stuck with odbc as you said. |
| 14:08.10 | Synthead | nsadmin: the kernel and init boots just fine, the installer comes up, and after I enter the language and keyboard, etc., it searches my RAID members for an .iso and skips the flash drive. if I go to tty 2, I can mount the partition on the stick and see the .iso without errors. |
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| 14:08.20 | TheWarden | etene: I guess but thus far I'm at a stand still as it doesn't work nor can I find any additional information on how to set it up to make it work. |
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| 14:09.22 | nsadmin | it looks like you told it where the image is |
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| 14:10.24 | nsadmin | I'm unfamiliar with the "kernel /vmlinuz iso-scan/filename=..." syntax |
| 14:10.49 | Synthead | nsadmin: shouldn't it find the image otherwise? I can try removing it |
| 14:10.49 | nsadmin | specifically starting with iso-scan |
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| 14:11.15 | nsadmin | it might at that... you could also try putting the image into /boot |
| 14:11.26 | nsadmin | but I don't have high hopes for that |
| 14:12.09 | Synthead | nsadmin: trying the init and kernel lines with no options |
| 14:13.00 | Synthead | nsadmin: okay, it's searching my raid members now |
| 14:13.29 | nsadmin | flies? mosquitos? hissing cockroacher?! |
| 14:13.37 | Synthead | nsadmin: huh, look at that, I think it found the iso |
| 14:13.49 | Synthead | nsadmin: yeah, it did! |
| 14:13.54 | nsadmin | cool :) |
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| 14:14.22 | Synthead | nsadmin: now what broke it ... ? it'd be nice for it to skip searching unprepared disks |
| 14:14.37 | etene | TheWarden: I'm sorry my knowledge on the matter stops here :/ |
| 14:15.03 | nsadmin | well for that, I think you need to figure out this iso-scan thing, and how to specify it on the kernelcommand line |
| 14:15.06 | TheWarden | etene: that's fine, no need to be sorry. Thanks for your help. |
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| 14:17.08 | nsadmin | !iso-scan |
| 14:17.20 | nsadmin | oh well, was worth a shot |
| 14:17.23 | Synthead | :) |
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| 14:20.42 | Iridos | Synthead, try the netinst image... the installer is really picky about the name of the iso image on the stick |
| 14:22.27 | nsadmin | Synthead, but what you have now is working, yes? |
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| 14:22.59 | Synthead | Iridos: I got it to boot the CD1 image but I'm interested in doing the net installer for other reasons :) is there a way to specify what drive the iso is on (and skip the ~10 partitions on RAID members on the machine)? |
| 14:23.07 | Synthead | nsadmin: yeah, looks like :) |
| 14:23.30 | Iridos | Synthead, I thought it only looks on the device you boot from? |
| 14:23.46 | Synthead | Iridos: something about kernel /vmlinuz iso-scan/filename=/debian-6.0.4-amd64-CD-1.iso priority=critical in menu.lst made it skip my flash drive. |
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| 14:24.06 | nsadmin | Iridos, perhaps that pickyness needs to be reimplemented as a warning "I'd be too picky to pick this one, do you want me to pick it?" |
| 14:24.08 | Synthead | Iridos: it runs through sd[a-b][1-6] too |
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| 14:24.29 | Synthead | hah |
| 14:24.45 | Synthead | linux and foss has taught me to ask questions ;) |
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| 14:25.11 | nsadmin | !smart questions for gumbys |
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| 14:25.37 | Iridos | nsadmin, I would have expected a menu to show all isos on the device and asking you if you want that one - possibly with warnings in the table which ones don't match |
| 14:25.59 | nsadmin | Iridos, that sounds really good |
| 14:26.01 | Iridos | nsadmin, or at least a list of accepted names |
| 14:26.03 | Synthead | Iridos: yeah, that's what iso-scan/filename= is supposed to do |
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| 14:26.31 | nsadmin | what kind of thing is "iso-scan"? |
| 14:26.31 | Iridos | Synthead, I think that option didn't exist when I played around with it |
| 14:26.35 | Iridos | that was still lenny |
| 14:28.56 | DelTree | where am I supposed to get the ldap config for samba ? |
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| 14:31.42 | Synthead | I'm going to try INSTALL_MEDIA_DEV with /dev/disk/by-uuid http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-general-1/booting-debian-iso-with-grub2-and-a-separate-kernel-809266/#post3978260 |
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| 14:34.03 | Synthead | nah, it ignored it |
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| 14:34.39 | Synthead | that's okay I think, this installer is going to be used for new servers with un-partitioned disks |
| 14:34.45 | Synthead | just a technicality I wanted to cover |
| 14:34.48 | Synthead | this works great |
| 14:34.51 | Synthead | thanks for all the help :) |
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| 14:41.12 | cornelinux | Hi, I'd like to build a very small debian package that contains only some files. I am wondering what is the best way do define debian/rules, to get these files packed? |
| 14:41.58 | exos | Hi |
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| 14:42.51 | fish_ | what's currently the way to go for setting up a internal debian mirror to not be dependent on availability of the officiall mirrors and move load off them? |
| 14:42.58 | fish_ | looks like there are so many ways |
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| 14:43.24 | fish_ | ftpsync? apt-mirror? rsync? |
| 14:43.43 | themill | a cache is probably better than a full mirror for you |
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| 14:43.53 | exos | i've a Proxmox linux instaled (Is a Debian Lenny with a web interface to manage openvz and kvm), and many openvz containers, the containers mount partition via NFS from the host, but, if i want mount thrown an error: "mount.nfs: rpc.statd is not running but is required for remote locking" |
| 14:43.56 | exos | some idea? |
| 14:44.22 | exos | the containers runs Debian 6 |
| 14:44.49 | fish_ | themill: we're already using apt-cacher-ng but that only helps for already fetched packages |
| 14:45.09 | fish_ | themill: in case we need a new package and the official mirrors have issues, we're fucked ;) |
| 14:45.45 | johndescs | exos: I had that kind of errors when I got an update of the server but didn't restart the whole |
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| 14:46.11 | themill | fish_: how often does a mirror have issues? |
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| 14:46.47 | fish_ | too often to just ignore that risk |
| 14:47.01 | althaser | how to add actions to polkit-1 ? |
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| 14:47.41 | themill | fish_: sounds like you need to use a better mirror to start with. There really isn't any point in having a full mirror... all you're doing is wasting donated bandwidth. |
| 14:48.20 | exos | johndescs: i don't understand you, sorry, restart wath? |
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| 14:48.56 | fish_ | themill: well, my goal is to reduce the wasting of donated bandwidth.. |
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| 14:49.24 | themill | fish_: umm... that's what a cache does. A full mirror uses a lot more bandwidth than a cache. |
| 14:49.44 | exos | johndescs: I try restarting a nfs-common and portmap daemonds but no results |
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| 14:50.22 | fish_ | themill: let me recheck the hit/miss rate of our apt-cacher-ng but i'm pretty sure that it's not very good |
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| 14:50.43 | themill | fish_: hit/miss is irrelevant |
| 14:50.50 | towdar | exos: try restart nfs-kernel-server |
| 14:52.17 | fish_ | themill: still we need to install new packages somehow and don't want to be dependent on a external ressource for that |
| 14:52.41 | themill | apparently, you're planning a journey to mars |
| 14:52.43 | exos | towdar: nothing happen, |
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| 14:53.26 | fish_ | themill: well, we ran into such problems in the past and I like to avoid them in the future |
| 14:53.30 | exos | towdar: the complete error is: http://pastebin.com/CFLscpQT |
| 14:53.32 | Iridos | fish_, if you're not going to program and package all software yourself I don't see how you can accomplish that :) |
| 14:53.46 | towdar | exos: check rpcinfo output to see if nfs process started. |
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| 14:54.06 | exos | towdar: how? |
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| 14:54.23 | fish_ | Iridos: talking about not being dependent on a external ressource in case of an emergency where we have to fix things fast. sure we'll still be dependent on it on the long term |
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| 14:56.33 | towdar | exos: just type 'rpcinfo' on server terminal :) |
| 14:56.57 | exos | display the help |
| 14:56.59 | exos | :P |
| 14:57.12 | exos | Usage: rpcinfo [ -n portnum ] -u host pro.... |
| 14:58.00 | towdar | exos: According to your pastebin output, you need to make some change to /etc/default/nfs-common to make sure rpc.statd is configured correctly. |
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| 14:59.13 | mrstocks | #debian-next |
| 14:59.23 | mrstocks | blaah |
| 14:59.26 | towdar | exos: Did you find 'NEED_STATD=' in your /etc/default/nfs-common? |
| 14:59.26 | exos | towdar: !!! in a upgrade this install NFS v4 |
| 14:59.36 | exos | nothing |
| 14:59.47 | exos | NEED_STATD= |
| 14:59.51 | Iridos | mrstocks, on irc.oftc.net |
| 15:00.02 | mrstocks | oh thx |
| 15:00.14 | towdar | exos: Just set NEED_STATD=yes. |
| 15:00.21 | exos | ok |
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| 15:00.42 | towdar | exos: and then restart nfs-common, portmap, nfs-kernel-server. |
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| 15:01.38 | exos | towdar: |
| 15:01.39 | exos | proxmox:/storages/raid0# /etc/init.d/nfs-common restart |
| 15:01.40 | exos | Stopping NFS common utilities: idmapd statd. |
| 15:01.40 | exos | Starting NFS common utilities: statd failed! |
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| 15:02.49 | towdar | exos: There's another workaround for you, you can add '-o nolock' to your mount command, then you dont need to set 'NEED_STATD=yes' in that file. |
| 15:03.03 | ksk | he was kicked |
| 15:03.08 | jelly | exos is ex-present, towdar |
| 15:03.30 | jelly | excluded from the channel |
| 15:03.43 | towdar | :), thank you, I c. |
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| 15:04.36 | Iridos | self-inflicted leaving, or, so to say |
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| 15:04.37 | Iridos | !next |
| 15:04.38 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
| 15:04.39 | exos | ups |
| 15:04.50 | Iridos | towdar, now :) |
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| 15:04.57 | towdar | ah, it's too cold in my office. |
| 15:05.18 | exos | towdar: the syslogs say: Feb 23 12:02:35 proxmox rpc.statd[332324]: unable to register (statd, 1, udp). |
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| 15:05.45 | exos | when i try restart nfs-commons |
| 15:05.49 | towdar | exos: Welcome back. There's another workaround for you, you can add '-o nolock' to your mount command, then you dont need to set 'NEED_STATD=yes' in that file. |
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| 15:06.20 | exos | yes, works, but the "nolook" in a directory used by many servers scaryme |
| 15:06.27 | jelly | exos: is your "lo" device configured properly and UP? |
| 15:06.33 | towdar | exos: or try to restart portmap first, then nfs-common, then nfs-kernel-server. |
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| 15:07.33 | exos | towdar: i made that, first portmap |
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| 15:08.03 | exos | jelly: yes |
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| 15:08.27 | towdar | exos: I've got no idea. I'm really sorry about your bad nfs journey. |
| 15:08.34 | exos | jelly: inet addr:127.0.0.1 Mask:255.0.0.0 |
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| 15:08.52 | jelly | exos: alright. portmap can get confused if it's not. |
| 15:09.02 | exos | ok, no problem towdar, thanx for all |
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| 15:09.31 | exos | jelly: i read about this |
| 15:09.45 | towdar | exos: paste your /etc/exports to pastebin might do some help |
| 15:10.53 | exos | towdar: http://pastebin.com/gjWLfs3G |
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| 15:13.15 | exos | towdar: and the fstab part: http://pastebin.com/UHRVEfpd |
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| 15:14.41 | towdar | exos: You're using nfsv3 exports according to your /etc/exports file. |
| 15:15.34 | exos | towdar: yes, when i install de Proxmox (Debian Lenny) have a v3 nfs, this upgrade |
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| 15:15.49 | towdar | exos: just wait for a minite, i'll try it on my own machine. |
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| 15:19.09 | towdar | exos: No problem with my machine if i set 'NEED_STATD=yes' and then restart nfs-common. |
| 15:19.30 | fish_ | well, looks like apt-mirror is the easiest way to go, so I'll that that |
| 15:19.59 | exos | mmm just discover other error m |
| 15:20.12 | towdar | exos: by the way, i'm using debian squeeze rather than lenny. |
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| 15:20.31 | exos | towdar: restarting a apt-cache-ng daemon display: No socket(s) could be create/prepared. Check the network, check or unset the BindAddress directive. |
| 15:20.35 | exos | interfaces errors? |
| 15:20.43 | towdar | exos: check /var/log/message to see if there's some clue. |
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| 15:21.24 | exos | towdar: http://pastebin.com/vNxUiBbJ |
| 15:22.28 | towdar | exos: It's obviously that there's some problem with your network configuration. |
| 15:23.05 | cbmuser | anyone knows a smart way to allow non-root users to install but not remove packages with apt-get? |
| 15:23.07 | exos | towdar: the network configuration is very complicated |
| 15:23.21 | valdyn | cbmuser: there none |
| 15:23.22 | cbmuser | like putting "apt-get install" into the sudoers file |
| 15:23.23 | exos | is a virtualization host like distro |
| 15:23.24 | linduxed | how do i tell find to look in the current dir recursively but not in one specific dir? |
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| 15:23.33 | valdyn | cbmuser: theres packagekit |
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| 15:23.59 | towdar | exos: How do you manage your network connections? By network-manager? |
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| 15:25.19 | valdyn | cbmuser: packagekit is designed for this purpose. Any frontend using packagekit can do this. Don't bother trying this with apt-get directly |
| 15:25.31 | exos | towdar: http://pastebin.com/ww6bgXZB to bad |
| 15:25.43 | exos | towdar: no is all prepare for vms |
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| 15:26.12 | towdar | exos: Two steps to go. Make sure server 'networking' starts at sysv level s, and 'network-manager' starts at sysv level 2345 |
| 15:26.15 | cbmuser | valdyn: my initial thought, too |
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| 15:28.01 | towdar | exos: why's there a network bridge 'vmbr0' in your system? |
| 15:28.07 | valdyn | ok, btrfs does not deal nicely with 12000000 files in a directory |
| 15:28.19 | valdyn | ( like anyone would do something like that ) |
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| 15:28.30 | XReaper | do you do that? |
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| 15:28.51 | towdar | exos: It seems that your problems are caused by that 'vmbr0'. |
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| 15:30.26 | thewanderer1 | valdyn, maybe you're running with something like dir_index disabled (not sure if btrfs has that) |
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| 15:32.01 | SgrA | Where can I get a list of the packages on the latest DVD number 1? |
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| 15:32.33 | SgrA | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:32.56 | themill | !cd contents |
| 15:32.57 | dpkg | To find out which CD or DVD image contains a particular package or source file, use the search engine at http://cdimage-search.debian.org/ . To see what a specific image contains, examine the package lists within the list-{cd,dvd} subdirectories for the relevant architecture at http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/ (e.g. http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/i386/list-cd/). |
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| 15:33.09 | towdar | exos: Let's me guess your experiment situation, you're running nfs server on your host, and using nfs-client on your virtual host, arn't you? |
| 15:33.31 | exos | yes |
| 15:34.17 | exos | towdar: ready |
| 15:34.27 | exos | towdar: i restart the server and all works |
| 15:34.43 | towdar | exos: Congz. :) |
| 15:34.48 | exos | towdar: i bad upgrade or some..... |
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| 15:35.01 | exos | i don't understand, but... work |
| 15:35.08 | exos | :S |
| 15:35.20 | towdar | exos: Dont tell me that you haven't restart your system since upgrade? |
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| 15:36.03 | exos | towdar: i don't remember upgrade the server :S |
| 15:36.23 | exos | i don't it :P |
| 15:36.27 | zaltekk | hey guys. i'm running debian on a couple of servers as well as my home theater pc, and i've been looking into using ksplice to avoid reboots |
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| 15:36.53 | zaltekk | i saw that there is a debian package, but i'm assuming that there are not any patches available to apply with it....is that correct? |
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| 15:37.03 | towdar | exos: hehe... dude, i got to go now, it's 11:30, time to bed :) |
| 15:37.08 | zaltekk | if so, is there much work to have it build patches? |
| 15:37.10 | exos | towdar: is debian lenny too: proxmox:/home/exos# cat /etc/debian_version : 5.0.9 |
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| 15:37.27 | exos | towdar: ok, here are a 12PM :P |
| 15:37.39 | exos | towdar: thanx very match |
| 15:37.54 | towdar | exos: u r welcome. |
| 15:37.56 | zaltekk | or any idea where i can find recent information about ksplice? |
| 15:37.58 | exos | towdar: i don't know if write this right |
| 15:38.29 | towdar | Have a nice day, and bybye. |
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| 15:38.46 | misch | wow, exos, ur english is really fluent and perfect *must say* |
| 15:38.48 | misch | :DD |
| 15:38.59 | exos | misch: is a joke no? |
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| 15:39.18 | misch | exos: I T I SSSSSS a joke ^^ |
| 15:39.25 | misch | but dont take it to serious^^ |
| 15:39.34 | exos | no problem :P |
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| 15:40.35 | misch | your english makes me laugh a little bit :) |
| 15:40.38 | misch | nvm |
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| 15:45.59 | Synthead | is there a way to tell if a preseed file failed somehow? like if it was a url, 404 errors, for example? |
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| 15:55.30 | quitte | is chroot on armel squeeze broken? No matter what I do it claims there was no /bin/bash or whatever command i tell it to run |
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| 15:56.57 | DelTree | quitte: did you copy /bin/bash *and* all the libs it needs (use ldd /bin/bash to list those) to the right place ? |
| 15:57.10 | quitte | DelTree: yes. I debootstrapped squeeze there |
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| 16:05.58 | abrotman | quitte: did you try using busybox ? |
| 16:06.28 | quitte | abrotman: yes. just tried. seems debootstrap messed up solving dependencies |
| 16:06.48 | abrotman | or you did! |
| 16:07.18 | quitte | how? i just ran debootstrap squeeze /mnt |
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| 16:10.54 | fasta | How can I see who is upstream for a given package? |
| 16:11.21 | themill | fasta: packages have a Homepage field and a copyright file |
| 16:11.37 | themill | quitte: what did the suggested ldd command output? |
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| 16:12.44 | fasta | themill: in synaptic I don't see it. |
| 16:12.51 | quitte | themill: the necessary libraries |
| 16:13.49 | quitte | themill: i had the date set to 2000. will retry with the current date and lenny |
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| 16:14.59 | fasta | themill: and /usr/share/doc also doesn't contain anything useful in the AUTHORS file. |
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| 16:17.06 | balzac5000 | I have a bunch of old Debian boxes that I've upgraded from Woody to Lenny and they have some old 2.4 kernels on them still. These do not appear when I do a "dpkg --list" and grep for the kernel version numbers. How can I best remove these old kernels? |
| 16:17.45 | balzac5000 | (I should add this has been done over the years - we just never started over, and used the aptitude upgrade routine to get to new versions.) |
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| 16:18.30 | karlpinc | balzac5000: You do an "aptitude purge linux-image...." (or apt-get) to get rid of kernels. |
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| 16:19.08 | somiaj | blubberdiblub: if you don't see them in dpkg -l, as being installed they may have been the kernels you had installed from the woody installer |
| 16:19.12 | somiaj | balzac5000: ^^ |
| 16:19.12 | karlpinc | balzac5000: You'll also want to upgrade from lenny, since it's now out of security support. Follow the release notes. |
| 16:19.14 | somiaj | blubberdiblub: sorry |
| 16:19.30 | balzac5000 | karlpinc: thanks for the response! I've tried to find the name of the deb package that provided these old kernels but they don't appear in dpkg list. |
| 16:20.01 | balzac5000 | somiaj: that seems accurate. DO I have to delete woody installer installed stuff by hand? |
| 16:20.01 | somiaj | balzac5000: I belive the woody installers would put a kernel on the machine but not assocate with a package. you can do 'dpkg -S /path/to/file' and that will tell you if any debian package has ownership of said file. |
| 16:20.17 | balzac5000 | Ah ha! Perfect. |
| 16:20.21 | karlpinc | balzac5000: "aptitude search ~i" perhaps? They're probably listed as configured but notinstalled. |
| 16:23.06 | balzac5000 | somiaj: Thanks for the suggestion. Looks like some of these are custom kernels I will have to delete by hand. Neat command though! |
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| 16:23.45 | balzac5000 | karlpinc: Thanks to you too. I'm afraid none of the older kernels like 2.4.18-bf2.4 appear in that search. Curious. |
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| 16:24.27 | karlpinc | !tell balzac5000 about make-kpkg |
| 16:25.33 | balzac5000 | karlpinc: Ooo, so cool. Wish I had known about that when I rolled these custom kernels - they'd be a breeze to remove that way! |
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| 16:26.32 | balzac5000 | karlpinc: Also, thanks for the info on Lenny being EOL. Time flies... |
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| 16:27.15 | somiaj | balzac5000: /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze (this upgrade can be problemmatic cause of adding in of udev, so it isn't just one command) |
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| 16:28.31 | balzac5000 | somiaj: Gratefully, I went though the udev change when I moved to Lenny. |
| 16:28.34 | themill | fasta: how about we stop playing vague and you tell us what the package actually is. |
| 16:29.20 | gnarface | hey guys i'm having some trouble setting up rsyncd. starts normally but it says permission denied whenever i try to sync something to it. assuming its not filesystem permissions, wtf else could that mean? |
| 16:29.22 | fasta | themill: I already found the answer, but now found that I basically need to rebuild my entire machine to get it to work :( |
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| 16:30.09 | fasta | themill: In short, the package require glib2.26 or something like that and squeeze only comes with 2.24. |
| 16:30.11 | karlpinc | gnarface: rsync has it's own sort of password in a file somewhere. |
| 16:30.31 | themill | or alternatively, don't provide any useful details |
| 16:31.23 | fasta | themill: I would like libnotify 0.7 then. |
| 16:31.34 | karlpinc | gnarface: --password-file is the safe way to supply a password. See also "man rsyncd.conf". |
| 16:32.27 | gnarface | karlpinc: so i am required to supply a password file? |
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| 16:33.18 | karlpinc | gnarface: If the server/rsync daemon is configured to need an rsync password. I forget how configurable it is to not have one. Probably leave off the secret file on the server side, but that's a guess. |
| 16:33.26 | fasta | themill: that's a very clear request, yet you are not able to give it to me, can you? |
| 16:33.37 | themill | fasta: that's not going to be a particularly easy thing to backport, but even if you did manage to install it on squeeze, nothing in squeeze would use its new features either. Upgrading to wheezy doesn't "basically need to rebuild your entire machine" |
| 16:33.38 | bartus | hello every one ! |
| 16:33.38 | mah454 | where can i download Debian-5 ? |
| 16:33.43 | mah454 | I need link for download ... |
| 16:34.03 | karlpinc | mah454: 5 is out of security support. |
| 16:34.05 | fasta | themill: but everyone always keeps claiming 'use stable'. |
| 16:34.07 | themill | fasta: you could wait for me to look at the situation and type something... I had to ask several times to get ANY useful information out of you at all. |
| 16:34.23 | bartus | Have a problem with git-man package update "git-man [1:1.7.9-1 (now, testing) -> 1:1.7.9.1-1 (unstable)]" |
| 16:34.27 | themill | fasta: if you want to get flamey at people volunteering to help you then you can go find /dev/null pretty quickly. |
| 16:34.59 | karlpinc | mah454: If you can't find it in the usual places there's always archive.debian.org. |
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| 16:35.27 | fasta | themill: I think there is a whole tree of dependencies which needs to be installed and since there are no backports for anything, I don't really see it happening. |
| 16:35.44 | bartus | apt says "dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/git-man_1%3a1.7.9.1-1_all.deb (--unpack): damage archive tar - damage package archive " |
| 16:35.49 | fasta | themill: if I mix stable with testing, then the next time I ask a question someone will say 'you did that!?!?!'. |
| 16:35.57 | karlpinc | mah454: Why 5? |
| 16:35.59 | fasta | themill: or is there some safe way to do it? |
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| 16:36.03 | themill | fasta: correct. And as I said, it's not a package worth backporting anyway. |
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| 16:36.24 | themill | bartus: try deleting that file and installing again. |
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| 16:37.30 | mah454 | karlpinc, I have a HP server and installed citrix xen server on this . now citrix xen tools do not support Debian stable (squeeze) . |
| 16:38.31 | bartus | themill: works ! thanks man ;] |
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| 16:39.36 | themill | bartus: now apt should have trapped that for you -- that probably indicates that the file was corrupted sometime between download and installation. That's not a good sign for your filesystem (or hard disk). Do make sure you've got some backups and do an fsck as soon as you can. |
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| 16:42.28 | deed02392 | hi all, i've mounted a share with smbfs and I want to be able to access it from all users on my linux machine, how can I do that? |
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| 16:42.57 | deed02392 | i tried chmodding the mounted dir but i wasn't allowed to even as root |
| 16:43.01 | valdyn | deed02392: man mount, see umask |
| 16:44.48 | bartus | themill: Thanks fro your concern. I always make regular backups for may root with dd|gzip ! Corruption may be caused when got "no space left on the device" which used to hepens to me. |
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| 16:49.59 | bartus | themill: Once again thanks for help 'good night and good luck' to every body |
| 16:50.18 | deed02392 | sweet that did it valdyn |
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| 16:50.50 | _pal_ | hi all |
| 16:51.11 | _pal_ | I have no sound for video in iceweasel after update today |
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| 16:51.28 | dutchfish | mah454, on 5.0 and above use the generic install with net-install for squeeze |
| 16:51.37 | _pal_ | what should I do to fix it? |
| 16:51.53 | _pal_ | I'm using pulseaudio and it does not see iceweasel output |
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| 16:55.48 | gnarface | karlpinc: it doesn't require auth by default. my screw up was i assumed that if i didn't specify a uid+gid it would run as root because i was starting as root. apparently the default is actually nobody:nogroup |
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| 17:05.47 | jose_ | hi. I have debian testing. Menú "system/preferences" not appears |
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| 17:09.06 | gnarface | jose_: i suspect you are merely missing a package you've taken for granted. i'm sorry i can't tell you which one |
| 17:09.35 | MrFrood | jose_: dedicated testing support is over at #debian-next on the oftc server |
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| 17:10.59 | jose_ | MrFrood, i have tried join #debian-next but is only for invite |
| 17:11.25 | nkuttler | !tell jose_ about oftc |
| 17:11.34 | MrFrood | jose_: oftc server not freenode |
| 17:11.38 | nkuttler | #debian-next should really NOT be invite only on freenode :| |
| 17:11.42 | jose_ | ah! ok :) thanks |
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| 17:12.39 | gnarface | lsyncd features: A-, lsyncd documentation: D- |
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| 17:17.52 | Guest72257 | list grazie |
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| 17:23.14 | Coudy | hi, how to ask something dpkg bot ? |
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| 17:23.46 | scwizard | sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart is hanging :( |
| 17:23.48 | nkuttler | Coudy: /msg dpkg something |
| 17:24.10 | nkuttler | scwizard: pastebin command and output |
| 17:24.52 | scwizard | nkuttler, http://codepad.org/0DK6yv0P |
| 17:26.00 | scwizard | oh wait... |
| 17:26.28 | nkuttler | hopes it's a local box |
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| 17:26.42 | scwizard | well I was sshed in |
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| 17:27.08 | scwizard | but I can open up a virtual terminal |
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| 17:27.59 | Coudy | how to install latest stable wine in debian testing ? In backports is odl version too |
| 17:28.06 | Coudy | odl>old |
| 17:28.42 | nkuttler | Coudy: forward-port the stable release including all dependencies? of course the better question is why are you running testing if you want stable stuff |
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| 17:29.31 | Coudy | nkuttler, wine version in debian is 1.0.1 from stable to unstable, how to install newest wine version ? |
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| 17:29.42 | tremon | Coudy: wine stable, as in "wine" instead of wine-unstable hasn't been packaged |
| 17:29.49 | nkuttler | ah... |
| 17:29.55 | scwizard | ok it wasn't frozen, it runs fine locally, it just gave the appearance of being frozen because I was sshed in and I didn't get "remote host has closed" for some reason |
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| 17:30.06 | nkuttler | Coudy: afaik you can get one from winehq.org.. but this is not supported here |
| 17:30.14 | tremon | wine-unstable packages (1.4rcX) can be found on carbon-project.org |
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| 17:31.13 | Coudy | nkuttler, ah, there is wine-unstable package.. thx |
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| 17:33.51 | nkuttler | Coudy: but if there was a new release you should probably wait for it to appear in unstable.. |
| 17:34.03 | nkuttler | Coudy: installing packages from random sites is a recipe for breakage |
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| 17:34.23 | Coudy | nkuttler, I know, I'm installing from repo |
| 17:34.37 | nkuttler | good |
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| 17:36.12 | Lint | why I started to get spam Email in German language when I started to use Debian bug tracker? |
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| 17:36.52 | Coudy | nkuttler, wine unstable is only 32bit, not 64bit |
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| 17:41.26 | irrlicht1 | hi, does anyone know of a good package that provides SPF checking (mail server) like tumgreyspf? tumgreyspf clearly is broken and I don't like greylisting as well. I could only find a howTo referring to a site with a python script that was offline. |
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| 17:48.09 | Kaan_M_32 | HTTP://WWW.BORABUX.COM |
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| 17:49.44 | irrlicht1 | spammer |
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| 17:53.06 | somiaj | Lint: I haven't gotten any spam mails due to using the bts, but all email address are in the public record on the bts so no reason a bot can't steal them from there. |
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| 17:54.38 | Lint | why that crazy bts and not bugzilla or other tracker which hides emails? |
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| 17:55.19 | mrstocks | does the 0.0.0.0 listen to every local ip? |
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| 17:56.01 | Lint | i posted single comment yesterday... |
| 17:56.42 | somiaj | Lint: Are you sure it is from the bts, and this is just lucky timing. |
| 17:57.42 | themill | Lint: bugzilla would have to be one of the worst bug trackers out there. |
| 17:58.14 | Lint | somiaj, i haven't post from it for several months before yesterday :( |
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| 18:03.02 | aca_lappy | any information on updating apache to 2.4, since debian uses such a weird structure and commands |
| 18:04.12 | nkuttler | aca_lappy: what do you mean? |
| 18:04.42 | aca_lappy | i mean debian has like a2ensite, and mod, and weird structures, and i didnt know if just updating the binaries for apache would break that system |
| 18:05.29 | nkuttler | aca_lappy: what does updating the binaries mean? and yes |
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| 18:05.53 | aca_lappy | ... |
| 18:06.24 | somiaj | aca_lappy: since 2.4 isn't in debian you are mostly on your own. But if apache 2.4 has similar build options as 2.2 you could grab the debian/ (build directory) from the debian source package, copy it to the 2.4 source and see if things build. (you could also install apache2.4 in /usr/local if you really want it) |
| 18:06.25 | gnarface | aca_lappy: don't, just don't |
| 18:06.25 | aca_lappy | it means they have version 2.4 now, and i want to update mine on debian without breaking the weird debian specific structure |
| 18:06.31 | abrotman | aca_lappy: why are you updating at all ? |
| 18:06.53 | nkuttler | aca_lappy: wait for a backport.... if you really *must* have 2.4 |
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| 18:07.19 | aca_lappy | really annoying that its this much trouble to update one application :( |
| 18:07.22 | themill | aca_lappy: the debian specific infrastructure is (a) not debian-specific and (b) not weird. |
| 18:07.31 | aca_lappy | well whatever |
| 18:07.43 | themill | aca_lappy: I'm sure the apache maintainers would love your assistance in helping with this. |
| 18:07.44 | aca_lappy | its not what a self install of apache would yield, so im at a loss |
| 18:08.18 | aca_lappy | not worth the trouble then |
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| 18:08.21 | gnarface | aca_lappy: you need different options to ./configure that's all. you can probably get them from the source package for the version currently in debian |
| 18:08.23 | aca_lappy | thank you |
| 18:08.35 | irrlicht1 | never mind, I guess I will just teach spamassassin to check for valid SPF entries |
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| 18:09.32 | TheRedOctober | Hi All! Say, is there an audio equalizer for audio out on debian? |
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| 18:13.38 | ROKO__ | привет |
| 18:13.41 | ROKO__ | ops hello |
| 18:13.53 | ROKO__ | does nvidia-drivers for bpo kernels ? |
| 18:14.00 | ROKO__ | in debian repos ? |
| 18:14.12 | MrFrood | TheRedOctober: http://packages.debian.org/search?suite=default§ion=all&arch=any&searchon=all&keywords=equalizer |
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| 18:14.29 | pleiades | interesting |
| 18:14.45 | pleiades | fuckin keyboard ill be back i have a wierd smell to them.. you know where i put it up in the bank.. |
| 18:14.57 | pleiades | most people like to breath too but better than them and a group of dominicans or mexicans start talking frantically in spanish i get agoodjob inheritance or lottery im in love with your feet i think the terrorists are the most creative with me.. |
| 18:15.16 | pleiades | Hi gang. Anybody here familiar with backlight management on lCD panels? It works right now on my system, and that's kind of mirculous considering that I am running Wheezy on a ppc mac but I would like to have the screen even darker than the lowest setting in /sys/class/backlight/nviviabl0/brightness. |
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| 18:15.37 | holt_kessler | dpkg, drupal7 |
| 18:15.38 | dpkg | bugger all, i dunno, holt_kessler |
| 18:15.45 | holt_kessler | dpkg, drupal |
| 18:15.46 | dpkg | Drupal is an open source content management system, packaged for Debian as drupal6. dh-make-drupal can be used to make Debian packages of Drupal modules/themes. General FAQ: http://drupal.org/node/202799 http://www.drupal.org/ #drupal-support on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 18:16.21 | Guest53860 | ciao |
| 18:16.38 | Guest53860 | list grazie |
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| 18:17.36 | pleiades | how much does a year of apple technical support cost |
| 18:17.49 | ROKO__ | dpkg qemu-kvm |
| 18:17.50 | dpkg | The Kernel-based Virtual Machine (KVM) is a full <virtualization> solution for Linux hosts on x86 hardware with x86 guests. Packaged for Debian as qemu-kvm since Squeeze. See http://wiki.debian.org/KVM for installation instructions, also ask me about <xve>. http://www.linux-kvm.org/page/FAQ http://www.linux-kvm.org/ #kvm on irc.freenode.net. |
| 18:17.53 | ROKO__ | dpkg qemu-kvm-1.0 |
| 18:17.54 | dpkg | bugger all, i dunno, ROKO__ |
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| 18:18.36 | holt_kessler | is there a good debain centric howto someone could point me to please? |
| 18:18.48 | valdyn | holt_kessler: howto do what? |
| 18:18.48 | holt_kessler | for drupal |
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| 18:19.12 | ChibaPet | Something I'm very curious about is the evident lack of Debian packages for http://motp.sourceforge.net/. Are they there and I'm just missing them? Is there reason not to use Mobile OTP? |
| 18:19.39 | ChibaPet | And is there another time-based OTP available from Debian directly? |
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| 18:20.01 | holt_kessler | valdyn, for drupal7 to help me configure it properly |
| 18:20.07 | edju | In KDE 4.6.5, Desktop Settings doesn't seem to allow a user to choose a wallpaper image beyond the defaults - i.e., there's no file chooser. Is there a workaround? |
| 18:20.23 | pleiades | that really depends on what you mean by 'all perl platforms'.. also I could be a bastard and ask you what opening $0 means when we're in -e |
| 18:20.27 | zaltekk | holt_kessler: /usr/share/doc/drupal/README.debian likely exists |
| 18:20.38 | zaltekk | which tells you all debian-specific information |
| 18:20.39 | valdyn | !ops pleiades |
| 18:20.40 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: valdyn complains about: pleiades |
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| 18:20.45 | zaltekk | for everything else, refer to the upstream docs |
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| 18:21.54 | pleiades | not forever |
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| 18:22.35 | holt_kessler | zaltekk, oooh, so it does :-) thanks man! |
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| 18:26.02 | linduxed | if i want to compile and install a utility like gperf into my own home directory, when do i specify that it's into the home directory that i want to build? |
| 18:26.22 | linduxed | is that a part of ./configure --special-dir=/my/home ? |
| 18:26.33 | linduxed | or do i add some flags to "make install"? |
| 18:26.52 | valdyn | linduxed: if its just one binary: cp binary /path/to/whatever/ |
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| 18:27.12 | valdyn | linduxed: if its not, then theres no simple answer |
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| 18:27.56 | valdyn | linduxed: but as I can see gperf is just a simple binary |
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| 18:28.15 | valdyn | linduxed: but gperf is also in debian, so what's the point? |
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| 18:31.23 | calyx | Has anyone used backtrack 5 with windows server? |
| 18:31.30 | valdyn | calyx: wrong channel |
| 18:31.42 | calyx | what channel discusses backtrack? |
| 18:32.04 | valdyn | calyx: this is #debian, backtrack is of no concern |
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| 18:50.48 | Iridos | silence! |
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| 18:53.28 | lalalalo | Hi. I'm looking for people familiar with ejabberd or jabber in general. |
| 18:53.45 | Dvorak_ | I've recently configured my own Jabber server |
| 18:53.53 | Dvorak_ | Only I used Jabberd2 |
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| 18:54.37 | lalalalo | Ok. You know the slash-me? As in /me looks out the window. |
| 18:54.43 | lalalalo | looks |
| 18:54.47 | lalalalo | Same as on irc. |
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| 18:55.31 | Dvorak_ | You mean in Jabber? Sure. Works as expected |
| 18:55.33 | lalalalo | I want to expand on that. Several /-commands. Like /lol (bad example). The way I understand it, this would have to be done client side. right? |
| 18:55.47 | Dvorak_ | Ai |
| 18:55.52 | Dvorak_ | Good question! |
| 18:55.57 | Dvorak_ | Dunno exctually |
| 18:56.02 | Dvorak_ | actually |
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| 18:56.15 | lalalalo | I read the spec for that. It said server should not touch the message. |
| 18:56.23 | Dvorak_ | Sounds logical |
| 18:56.28 | MRCracker | hi all,my friend have problem with his sound card, he can't hear anything from speaker. these are out put of |
| 18:56.34 | MRCracker | cat /proc/asound/cards |
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| 18:56.41 | lalalalo | But I'm looking for plugins which intercepts, and changes it anyway. =) |
| 18:56.43 | MRCracker | http://paste.debian.net/157329/ |
| 18:56.57 | MRCracker | lspci;lsmod |
| 18:57.00 | MRCracker | http://paste.debian.net/157328/ |
| 18:57.02 | lalalalo | Dvorak_: What made you choose jabberd2? |
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| 18:58.08 | Dvorak_ | Much eassier to configure. |
| 18:58.32 | lalalalo | Ok. I had already set up ejabberd for work, so I was into it.. |
| 18:58.33 | Dvorak_ | I tried jabberd14 and ejabber, but they where a lot complexer. |
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| 18:59.39 | sajjadg_ | hi. is it possible to install fglrx for x1400 on debian squeeze ? |
| 19:00.19 | somiaj | sajjadg_: the fglrx (And newer xorg if needed) are in squeeze-backports |
| 19:00.26 | somiaj | ,versions fglrx |
| 19:00.27 | judd | No package named 'fglrx' was found in i386. |
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| 19:00.42 | somiaj | ,versions fglrx-driver |
| 19:00.43 | judd | Package: fglrx-driver on i386 -- lenny/non-free: 1:8-12-4; lenny-backports/non-free: 1:10-4-1~bpo50+1; squeeze/non-free: 1:10-9-3; wheezy/non-free: 1:12-1-1; sid/non-free: 1:12-1-2 |
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| 19:00.56 | Iridos | dpkg, tell MRCracker about alsa checklist |
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| 19:01.27 | sajjadg_ | how can I use the backport packages? and what is backport? |
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| 19:01.40 | somiaj | sajjadg_: http://packages.debian.org/squeeze-backports/fglrx-driver -- there is the backports version, not sure how recent of a version you need to support your paticular card though |
| 19:01.53 | somiaj | sajjadg_: a backport is a newer package compiled against the squeeze libs (so you can install it in squeeze) |
| 19:01.58 | somiaj | !tell sajjadg_ about squeeze-backports |
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| 19:05.38 | randumbum | !tell randumbum about squeeze-backports |
| 19:06.19 | somiaj | randumbum: /msg dpkg <factoid> is another way to get info from the bot |
| 19:06.37 | randumbum | somiaj: thanks |
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| 19:06.58 | ChibaPet | Argh. So, pam_mobile_otp uses something *like* pam_tally, but it's *not* pam_tally, and can't be reset with the pam_tally command. |
| 19:07.39 | ben1066 | is there any irc channel for software issues that dont have their own channel |
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| 19:08.49 | somiaj | ben1066: for debian? The bts is the place for discussing software bugs/issues on debian systems. |
| 19:08.56 | ben1066 | not debian specific |
| 19:09.10 | ben1066 | and its not really an issue, a query |
| 19:09.27 | ChibaPet | ben1066: Is the software something packaged by Debian? |
| 19:09.29 | somiaj | ben1066: if the software in question doesn't have their own irc chan, they may have a mailing list, etc. But not all software will have support. |
| 19:09.34 | ben1066 | ChibaPet: no again |
| 19:10.09 | ChibaPet | ben1066: Is it GNU software? If it's packaged by someone, ask them. If it's GNU software, ask #gnu. If it's none of the above, write to the author. |
| 19:10.15 | ben1066 | also iptables doesnt have a default config file or am I missing something? |
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| 19:10.44 | mah454 | Hello |
| 19:11.01 | mah454 | I installed gnome-shell |
| 19:11.13 | mah454 | but have not display manager (login manager) |
| 19:11.19 | somiaj | ben1066: correct, iptables has no default rules, It is left for you to write your own |
| 19:11.24 | mah454 | what is default display manager for gnome 3 ? |
| 19:11.32 | mah454 | what package must install ? |
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| 19:11.54 | somiaj | ben1066: http://wiki.debian.org/iptables |
| 19:12.21 | somiaj | mah454: gdm, I think the package is called gdm3 (but it should be included in the gnome task or meta package) |
| 19:12.39 | ChibaPet | mah454: I assume you want gdm3. If you're doing it in Testing/Wheezy, you want this version: http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/gdm3 |
| 19:13.03 | ben1066 | Hm, does iptables default to allow all? |
| 19:13.12 | sajjadg_ | somiaj:what about mutter? gnome-shell use mutter i think |
| 19:13.14 | sajjadg_ | ? |
| 19:13.16 | ben1066 | hm yea, thats what that post syas :P |
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| 19:13.20 | ChibaPet | ben1066: try iptables --list |
| 19:14.00 | somiaj | ben1066: debian by default will not have lots of services running listening on ports, so there isn't a need to block things (since there is nothing they can connenct to). |
| 19:14.15 | somiaj | ben1066: the only serverices listening on a port should be ones you install and configure. |
| 19:14.28 | ben1066 | aka SSH webmin and the like, got it |
| 19:14.38 | somiaj | !webmin |
| 19:14.39 | dpkg | Webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Removed from Debian post-Sarge, see http://bugs.debian.org/343897 . The Debian package from webmin.com is of poor quality. See <free whcp> for alternatives. |
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| 19:16.41 | WinstonSmith | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:16.51 | somiaj | WinstonSmith: /msg dpkg free whcp |
| 19:17.03 | WinstonSmith | somiaj: thanks |
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| 19:23.06 | mah454 | what package install this display manager ? http://library.gnome.org/misc/release-notes/3.2/figures/gdm.png.en_GB |
| 19:23.11 | MRCracker | Iridos: thanks, i will tell them to my friend. |
| 19:23.39 | somiaj | mah454: that is probabaly gdm3 (it is just using a different theme) |
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| 19:26.56 | Iridos | MRC... |
| 19:27.41 | bolt | what are the correct permissions for /etc/cron.allow? I tried to make it owned by root:root, with perms 640, but then cron ignores it |
| 19:27.49 | bolt | it can't possibly need to be world readable? |
| 19:27.55 | bolt | at.allow works fine with the same setup |
| 19:28.52 | Iridos | my at.deny is root:daemon |
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| 19:29.24 | Iridos | and I didn't make it |
| 19:29.38 | bolt | 640 with root:daemon doesn't work for cron.allow either. still works for at.allow though |
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| 19:34.25 | bolt | ah |
| 19:34.34 | bolt | cron runs with group "crontab" |
| 19:35.00 | bolt | having /etc/cron.allow owned by root:crontab with permissions 640 makes cron use it |
| 19:35.02 | Agiofws | hey is anything like a GUI frint end for traceroute ? |
| 19:35.08 | Agiofws | front* |
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| 19:35.53 | Agiofws | for geo location ? |
| 19:35.54 | bolt | changing the group to "daemon" or "root" makes it not give a damn if the file exists, which goes against what the manual says. the manual says only users in that file can use cron if the file exists, but it's actually if the file exists and is readable |
| 19:36.35 | zzing | Is it relatively easy to install debian (x64) on a UEFI system that also has (will) a windows 7 x64 installed with GPT/UEFI? |
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| 19:37.15 | Peetz0r | 12:31 < aetoxx> Peetz0r, good luck with creating handwriting via the shell (e.g. Photoshop, etc.). |
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| 19:37.30 | Peetz0r | I coud write svg using vi, emacs or nano ;) |
| 19:37.33 | Iridos | bolt, any reason why one would want to keep that file secret? |
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| 19:38.12 | adnap | how can i install debian to a usb drive? i have tried using the install cd and it did not give me an option to select my usb drive. |
| 19:38.23 | adnap | a flash usb drive |
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| 19:38.40 | Iridos | why not? Installer just lists all disks |
| 19:38.46 | adnap | i don |
| 19:39.06 | adnap | i don't know. it said something like "no hard disks detected" and then asked me if there were any modules i wanted to load |
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| 19:40.33 | bolt | Iridos: I don't know. I just figured while making it (and anything else i make, for that matter) that giving more permissions than strictly necessary is a bad idea. |
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| 19:41.14 | engla | anyone know how to get valac to work in debian? I get lots of errors from the gir files. http://paste.debian.net/157333/ for this simple test program: http://paste.debian.net/157334/ |
| 19:41.22 | Iridos | bolt, but - as you already noticed - not as bad as giving less permissions than strictly necessary :D |
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| 19:41.48 | bolt | Iridos: true enough. but putting the group as "crontab" solves that issue |
| 19:41.49 | bolt | Iridos: its contents would probably not be of use to anyone, except perhaps for yelling "why can X have crontabs when I can't?! :( :( :(" |
| 19:43.32 | Iridos | bolt, well, whatever script created my /etc/at.deny seems to agree with you |
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| 19:44.00 | Iridos | but right now I can't imagine what type of exploit could be faciliated by that knowledge |
| 19:44.14 | adnap | "no disk drive was detected. if you know the name of the driver needed by your disk drive, you can select it from the list." |
| 19:44.23 | adnap | i just have a usb flash drive plugged in! |
| 19:45.36 | Iridos | can you go to a console? |
| 19:45.59 | Iridos | usb_storage module must be loaded |
| 19:46.07 | Iridos | and obviously usbcore |
| 19:46.17 | Iridos | dpkg usb install |
| 19:46.17 | dpkg | You can install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key on x86 systems, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s03 and ask me about <install debian> for hybrid CD/DVD images. https://launchpad.net/win32-image-writer/+download to prepare from Windows. BIOS can't boot from USB? Use http://www.plop.at/en/bootmanager.html |
| 19:46.26 | adnap | i'm using the text install. do you know how to pull up a console? |
| 19:46.43 | Iridos | what makes me wonder... wouldn't you need said drivers to install _from_ usb as well |
| 19:46.51 | jelly-home | adnap: it's on Alt-F3 or Alt-F2 |
| 19:47.28 | adnap | lsmod | grep usb shows usb_storage and usbcore |
| 19:48.05 | Iridos | perhaps something interesting in dmesg output? |
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| 19:49.10 | steven43126 | whats the correct package to file bugs against for requesting hardware support in debian ? |
| 19:49.17 | Iridos | it wouldn't be mounted, of course... all you can expect to see are the devices in /dev/ |
| 19:50.00 | adnap | ls /dev/sd* gives "no such file or directory" |
| 19:50.08 | adnap | and the light on my flashdrive is not on |
| 19:51.24 | adnap | perhaps i could remove and plug the flash drive back in and see what dmesg says |
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| 19:51.37 | Iridos | actually you should see new things appearing in dmesg or the console (which is on another terminal you can reach with Alt-FX; X=1-12) |
| 19:51.42 | Iridos | heh :) |
| 19:52.35 | adnap | okay, nvm. i have been having problems with some of the usb ports on my new laptop. |
| 19:52.59 | adnap | a few of them don't seem to work. do you know if usb3 is backwards compatible? |
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| 19:54.04 | Iridos | I thought usb port and device negotiate the newest protocol both can speak |
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| 19:55.19 | adnap | would i run into any problems using my usb flash drive as an encrypted volume? |
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| 19:56.05 | Iridos | no idea |
| 19:56.11 | adnap | okay, i'm going to try it! |
| 19:56.16 | Iridos | how would that react to failing sectors? |
| 19:57.08 | adnap | i don't know if flash drives have spare sectors or not |
| 19:57.20 | adnap | i know they use wearleveling |
| 19:57.58 | Iridos | they are supposed to be good for a couple of million or more writes now |
| 19:58.02 | aidalgol | I thought wearleveling had to be done in the OS, because the drives didn't do it themselves. |
| 19:59.22 | Iridos | no, as far as I know I do... but I don't feel I really got to the bottom of it when I tried to read up on it |
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| 20:00.44 | Iridos | I think they do pick least used sectors when an unused one is requested |
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| 20:01.18 | adnap | i can't seem to create two partitions |
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| 20:01.29 | Iridos | there's the thing about (not) using a journaling file system... it seems that the journal always occupies the same sectors on the stick, so you get writes in that region for every write anywhere |
| 20:01.45 | adnap | when i configured the encrypted volume, it just made an ext3 filesystem that filled up the entire disk on top automatically |
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| 20:03.04 | Iridos | can't say anything... I never used encrypted filesystems |
| 20:03.24 | Iridos | the thought that I suddenly cannot access the drive usually terrified me more than that someone will spy on me |
| 20:03.47 | abrotman | Iridos: you don't use s/irc ? :) |
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| 20:04.32 | Iridos | abrotman? |
| 20:04.55 | Iridos | you mean irc over ssl? |
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| 20:05.47 | stevieman | Has anyone setup the scponly shell. I'm trying but I don't think it's working as advertised |
| 20:06.09 | simonlnu | or pebkac |
| 20:06.12 | stevieman | I can connect via ssh but as soon as I enter the password it closes the connection |
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| 20:06.31 | stevieman | scponly should give me a limited shell correct? |
| 20:06.45 | Iridos | I'd try to scp there :) |
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| 20:08.10 | abrotman | steven43126: what do you think scponly should do ? |
| 20:08.14 | jelly-home | stevieman: one would GUESS it would allow you scp only...? |
| 20:08.41 | abrotman | crazy talk! |
| 20:08.51 | jelly-home | I know, right |
| 20:08.55 | simonlnu | OMG! |
| 20:08.55 | Iridos | abrotman, sorry, then :( |
| 20:09.00 | abrotman | let's go shopping! |
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| 20:09.08 | Iridos | I think then I made a bad suggestion to the guy |
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| 20:09.09 | simonlnu | laughs |
| 20:09.26 | Iridos | abrotman, let's go shopping for pink pogoplugs! |
| 20:09.28 | jelly-home | !spank Iridos |
| 20:09.28 | dpkg | bends Iridos over its knee and delivers a mighty *THWACK* |
| 20:09.51 | stevieman | jelly-home, um, yah, problem is I have no idea how scp shell works and what I have is nothing like what I'm reading about |
| 20:10.04 | simonlnu | SCP |
| 20:10.11 | abrotman | puts a desk under jelly-home's head |
| 20:10.12 | simonlnu | man scp |
| 20:10.48 | Iridos | sounds like he's setting that up on debian but he's himself on windows |
| 20:11.03 | stevieman | simonlnu: thank you |
| 20:11.08 | jelly-home | stevieman: it's probably supposed to only allow transfer of files via WinSCP, pscp, OpenSSH scp and... other scp clients, and disallow usage of interactive or noninteractive shell. |
| 20:11.22 | simonlnu | pretty much yes |
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| 20:11.34 | simonlnu | ,i scponly |
| 20:11.35 | judd | Package scponly (utils, optional) in squeeze/i386: Restricts the commands available to scp- and sftp-users. Version: 4.8-4.1; Size: 43.6k; Installed: 176k; Homepage: http://sublimation.org/scponly/ |
| 20:11.47 | jelly-home | I'd give the user sftp access only and chroot, instead. |
| 20:11.57 | stevieman | that was the puzzle piece I was missing. I was thinking it was more along the lines of bash etc... |
| 20:12.17 | simonlnu | it's an extremely restricted shell for remote access |
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| 20:12.39 | adnap | okay, i got it. |
| 20:12.44 | adnap | encrypted usb flash drive! |
| 20:12.48 | simonlnu | jelly-home: i don't know, but it can probably be combined with that |
| 20:13.16 | stevieman | simonlnu, yep, setting up backups for remote servers |
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| 20:13.29 | abrotman | steven43126: why not rsync over ssh |
| 20:14.01 | steven43126 | abrotman: huh did i miss something ? |
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| 20:15.16 | stevieman | abrotman: using rsnapshot they recommend looking at scp. I'm thinking it might be overkill |
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| 20:16.15 | Iridos | steven43126, yes, your {good|evil|neutral|insane|distant} twin! |
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| 20:18.02 | steven43126 | Iridos: i now see what was goin off, when seeing abrotman state why not rsync over ssh, my first thought was why the hell not indeed, but what has that go to do with me :) |
| 20:18.24 | Iridos | hehe |
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| 20:18.40 | adnap | grub a dub dub |
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| 20:20.13 | Iridos | huh, "overkill"? |
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| 20:22.16 | adnap | a couple of million writes... how can i count the number of writes that are made? |
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| 20:23.48 | tonytraductor | I'm at my mom's house (providing tech support), and trying to figure out why I can't access her machine from home |
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| 20:24.07 | tonytraductor | I' m actually here (freenode) from my home machine over ssh, so I can ssh out, but not in here. |
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| 20:24.30 | tonytraductor | Now, here' s my problem. I have ddclient running here with a dydns domain, and the sshd is running, so it should work with the domain |
| 20:24.30 | spersaud | I have a blank disc (ssd 64gb) I want to rsync my existing /home partition onto it ... |
| 20:24.35 | spersaud | whats the best way to do this ? |
| 20:25.06 | spersaud | fstype is ext3 .. can I used ext4 for ssd ? does it matter ? |
| 20:25.08 | tonytraductor | but it doesn' t. So, I check the IP address, and, ifconfig only gives me an address that appears to be internal to a LAN (192.168.x.xxx). |
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| 20:25.41 | tonytraductor | when I check the external IP (using a php script on my website), I get a good external IP, but when I try to ssh to that, timeout |
| 20:25.54 | abrotman | tonytraductor: so your hardware router? is messed up ? |
| 20:26.05 | adnap | tonytraductor: you need to port forward 22 on your router |
| 20:26.21 | tonytraductor | so, I think, but want to confirm if this is possibly the case, that my Mom's crappy phone company DSL has her networked with other local clients, |
| 20:26.27 | adnap | tonytraductor: to the local ip of the computer you want to ssh into |
| 20:26.31 | tonytraductor | and somewhere there must be a router or something not letting ssh in. |
| 20:26.41 | tonytraductor | does this sound like a reasonable conclusion?> |
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| 20:27.02 | tonytraductor | there' s no router here. just a modem connected directly to mom' s machine |
| 20:27.03 | adnap | tonytraductor: do you have a personal home router? |
| 20:27.07 | adnap | oh |
| 20:27.15 | tonytraductor | I do, at home, but there is none here at mom' s, no |
| 20:27.48 | adnap | your mom's computer shouldn't be showing a local ip |
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| 20:28.23 | tonytraductor | that' s what I thought, but ifconfig shows no viable external ip, just 192.168.1.67, which clearly looks like an inside/LAN IP |
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| 20:28.31 | adnap | yeah |
| 20:28.55 | adnap | have you tried visiting 192.168.1.1? |
| 20:28.57 | tonytraductor | so, I'm guessing the phone company has a router somewhere between here and the rest of the internet, and mom and her neighbors on the same crappy dsl service are somehow on a lan |
| 20:29.09 | tonytraductor | I should scan the lan for machines and see how many there are... |
| 20:29.10 | adnap | over http |
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| 20:29.21 | adnap | try to see if the router has a web interface |
| 20:30.02 | tonytraductor | hadn't thought ofthat, but just checked: iceweasel can not connect to 192.168.1.1 |
| 20:30.10 | adnap | it seems insane that an isp would have everyone share one ip |
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| 20:31.07 | kevlarman | adnap: realistically they'd probably use a /24 |
| 20:31.09 | petemc | tonytraductor: netstat -rn |
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| 20:31.46 | kevlarman | tonytraductor: her dsl modem is probably a router as well |
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| 20:31.58 | adnap | tonytraductor: nmap -p 22 192.168.1.1 |
| 20:32.28 | tonytraductor | odd output: http://tonybaldwin.me/paste/index.php?5g |
| 20:32.58 | petemc | tonytraductor: try 192.168.1.254 in a browser |
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| 20:33.20 | jexmex | is it possible that gnome-keyring-daemon is not auto starting up? |
| 20:33.30 | tonytraductor | hadn't installed nmap, doing it now, but slow on this DSL |
| 20:33.38 | jexmex | in mysql workbench I get this error: Error communicating with gnome-keyring-daemon |
| 20:34.14 | tonytraductor | yeah, 192.168/1/254 gets me an ATT router interface, apparently |
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| 20:34.38 | karsten | jexmex: what does pgrep gnome-keyring-daemon tell you? |
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| 20:35.03 | tonytraductor | oh, you know what, I did this like 6 months ago. I DID set it to allow SSH on port 22 to this machine... |
| 20:35.07 | karsten | jexmex: ... or 'ps waux | grep [g]nome-keyring |
| 20:35.17 | tonytraductor | the att modem is a router, or something...weird |
| 20:35.25 | adnap | haha |
| 20:35.48 | adnap | well, you should be able to access a web interface |
| 20:35.55 | jexmex | craig 2464 0.0 0.1 92792 9940 ? Sl 12:22 0:00 /usr/bin/gnome-keyring-daemon --daemonize --login |
| 20:36.02 | adnap | maybe it's at 254 like petemc said |
| 20:36.06 | adnap | what did netstat say? |
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| 20:36.14 | tonytraductor | ok, so now I have to figure out why, with ddclient running on this machine, I can' t ssh to the dydns domain that should be pointing here. also with sshd running and the router forwarding port 22 |
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| 20:36.34 | jexmex | the first returned nothing |
| 20:37.02 | karsten | jexmex: That would suggest that indeed, gnome-keyring-daemon is not running. |
| 20:37.19 | karsten | It's possibly skiing, swimming, cycling, or rwoing. But most definitely not running. |
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| 20:37.23 | adnap | some routers aren't smart enough to handle ssh requests to the router from inside the network |
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| 20:37.28 | jexmex | I am not familiar with this, should it auto start when gnome starts? |
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| 20:37.39 | karsten | jexmex: ask #gnome. |
| 20:37.45 | jexmex | ok thanks |
| 20:37.51 | adnap | you have to use the local ip for internal/domain for external |
| 20:37.51 | jexmex | btw, how did you read that to see it was not running |
| 20:38.46 | adnap | tonytraductor: did you try sshing into a machine outside the network and then trying to ssh into your mom's computer from that computer using the domain? |
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| 20:39.14 | Iridos | karsten, just like me! (with exception to rowing) |
| 20:39.31 | tonytraductor | its a broadlink modem/router thingy |
| 20:39.36 | meyou | sounds like your router isn't down with the inside/outside connections (connecting to itself) |
| 20:39.45 | adnap | yeah |
| 20:39.56 | tonytraductor | yeah, I am using irssi from my home machine right now. I ssh-ed from mom's to my machine |
| 20:40.11 | meyou | you can cheat and slap an entry in your hosts file |
| 20:40.17 | tonytraductor | I just can't ssh to mom's from elsewhere, but I CAN ssh out |
| 20:40.19 | meyou | to resolve XXX.dyndns.org to 192.x.x.x |
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| 20:40.59 | tonytraductor | I've tried with the external IP address that I get from the broadlink modem/router thing, and connection times out, but I see that I DO have it set to allow ssh on port22 to this machine |
| 20:41.22 | meyou | you did all that while behind the same router, right^ |
| 20:41.22 | adnap | tonytraductor: wait, so have you accessed the router web interface yet? |
| 20:41.46 | tonytraductor | yeah, I am into the router interface |
| 20:41.51 | meyou | and it only times out when you try it from the same local network? |
| 20:41.59 | adnap | tonytraductor: you should verify that your port forwarding rules are set up correctly |
| 20:42.02 | tonytraductor | no, it times out when I try it from home |
| 20:42.17 | adnap | tonytraductor: by the way, what is the local ip of your router? was it 192.168.1.1 or 254? |
| 20:42.24 | tonytraductor | .254 |
| 20:42.52 | adnap | can you ssh into your mom's computer with the local ip? |
| 20:43.13 | tonytraductor | the interface on this router is not nearly as straightforward as my linksys at home |
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| 20:44.20 | jexmex | does debian use gdm? |
| 20:44.41 | ompaul | it can do |
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| 20:46.23 | tonytraductor | this router interface is all set up for common windopes users without a clue, but renders it nearly impossible for anyone with a clue to find and configure stuff |
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| 20:47.14 | Iridos | tonytraductor, perhaps you're trying to do things they didn't think you'd want to do |
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| 20:47.17 | tonytraductor | it has automagical settings for crappy windows stuff, turned on with a click, but nothing for ssh |
| 20:47.26 | tonytraductor | exactly |
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| 20:47.37 | Iridos | dpkg, fix FIXME_speredenn |
| 20:47.38 | dpkg | takes FIXME_speredenn to the vet for a "special" visit. |
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| 20:47.56 | tonytraductor | I want to access the machine via ssh...which, I suppose 99% of clueless windows users never heard of |
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| 20:48.25 | Iridos | which should be rather difficult if no sshd is running :) |
| 20:48.26 | tonytraductor | I swear I had it working month ago, and I didn' t change anything. it just stopped working |
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| 20:49.16 | endomafrendo | hi there, I have a problem deleting a FAT32 partition on an SD card using gparted and fdisk. It says everything went fine, but the FAT32 partition is still there. I'm using debian squeeze 64 bit. I'm also pretty sure, that it is not a Debian problem, but I was hoping, that someone here can point me to the right direction. I also tried wiping the drive with zeroes which didn't help either. |
| 20:49.23 | endomafrendo | any help greatly appreciated |
| 20:49.23 | karlpinc | tonytraductor: Here's something for vnc, once you've your ssh working. http://paste.debian.net/157340/ |
| 20:50.01 | adnap | so the install on my flash drive is complete, but i can't install xserver-xorg on my system. it says it depends on xserver-xorg-core, but that it's uninstallable. |
| 20:50.12 | karlpinc | tonytraductor: My approach is always to use openvpn from behind the stupid nat-ted firewall. That mostly assumes that your end has a static ip, although you could always use some sort of dynamic dns service. |
| 20:50.18 | tonytraductor | I just want shell access. I've never used VNC. |
| 20:50.48 | tonytraductor | yeah, I have ddclient running on this machine with a dydns.com free domain pointing to it |
| 20:50.51 | karlpinc | tonytraductor: It's great for support. Shared screen/keyboard/mouse. |
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| 20:51.43 | Iridos | endomafrendo, in fdisk as well as gparted you have to give a "now do it" command after you did your changes - anyway, what do you just want to delete a partition for... usually one makes some |
| 20:51.47 | jexmex | how can I use gdm instead of whatever it is that debian uses? |
| 20:51.56 | karlpinc | tonytraductor: Have the remote end start openvpn and connect to your end. Then there's no messing with stupid isp supplied equipment. |
| 20:51.58 | jexmex | nm |
| 20:52.34 | Iridos | jexmex, my - pretty much default - install uses gdm3 (which replaced gdm in squeeze) |
| 20:52.43 | endomafrendo | Iridos: yes, in fdisk I used the command "w" and in gparted the green check button |
| 20:52.45 | ulbabrab | hello. my computer already has 3 primary partitions and an extended one, so I cannot create a new one anymore. I wonder if a logical partition inside the existing extended one might be accessible in read and write from win and linux |
| 20:52.57 | karlpinc | ulbabrab: Yes. |
| 20:53.00 | endomafrendo | Iridos: i want to delete the fat partition and then create an ext3 one |
| 20:53.15 | tonytraductor | I'll beback. thanks |
| 20:53.49 | Iridos | endomafrendo, just overwrite it with mkfs.ext3 ... adjust partition type afterwards |
| 20:54.11 | endomafrendo | Iridos: ok... i'll give it a try |
| 20:54.21 | ulbabrab | karlpinc, perfect then. also, why does grub automatic configuration see two windows partitions in my case? I have a system recovery partition and the OS one, they were both preconfigured on my dell laptop |
| 20:54.25 | karlpinc | endomafrendo: You need to understand the difference between a partition and a filesystem. |
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| 20:54.32 | Iridos | endomafrendo, perhaps toggle the write-protect slider ... - but that should give you "permission denied" |
| 20:54.36 | bolt | for support, a shared "screen" session is very neat on linux. when connecting to windows, check out "mikogo". it requires less configuration by silly end users than vnc does |
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| 20:54.45 | ulbabrab | of course I just want to boot the OS one |
| 20:54.48 | karlpinc | ulbabrab: Perhaps one is the system recovery partiton and the other the OS one? |
| 20:54.59 | endomafrendo | Iridos: yes, it is a micro sd card so it has no slider. checked and double-ckecked |
| 20:55.12 | Iridos | bolt, if you remember expect... there was also (x)kibitz |
| 20:55.52 | ulbabrab | karlpinc, :D yeah, my question would rather be what does grub use as a requirement for a ntfs partition to be listed as windows bootable |
| 20:56.00 | endomafrendo | karlpinc: thanks for the pointers. yes, I'm aware of the difference I hope. I am no specialist however. Actually I wonder why for instance the dd command didn't work |
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| 20:56.40 | mah454 | Hello |
| 20:56.51 | endomafrendo | karlpinc, Iridos: actually none of the commands I used did not work.... can this mean that the SD card is bricked? |
| 20:56.51 | mah454 | How can change gdm3 gtk style ? |
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| 20:57.00 | karlpinc | endomafrendo: Some of those flash based storage devices have broken ide interfaces, due mostly to the sector movement needed for wear leveling I think. |
| 20:57.02 | Iridos | endomafrendo, perhaps look if you see anything funny in dmesg... I dunno - earlier versions of fdisk used to tell one that the changes would only become visible after a reboot |
| 20:57.12 | karlpinc | endomafrendo: The only ones I've been sure will work are sandisk. |
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| 20:57.19 | Iridos | endomafrendo, well, seems strange... you should always get an error |
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| 20:58.00 | adnap | apt-get says xserver-xorg-core has no installation candidate. i have done an apt-get update and my /etc/apt/sources.list is: http://paste.ubuntu.com/854531/ |
| 20:59.00 | karlpinc | endomafrendo: Destroying the partition table can mean trouble. I've never been able to make a flash based drive bootable after doing that. But you should be able to change the partitions using the existing partition table. I'm not sure what happens if you clobber the current partiton table entirely with dd. |
| 20:59.16 | adnap | do i need to enable another repo besides security.debian.org? |
| 20:59.48 | endomafrendo | karlpinc: thanks for the advice... however i think that the card is gone bye-bye... |
| 20:59.57 | karlpinc | adnap: Not really, although one for the release (squeeze) is always good too so you can add more packages. |
| 21:00.17 | karlpinc | !tell adnap about sources.list |
| 21:00.24 | karlpinc | !tell adnap about overview |
| 21:00.30 | endomafrendo | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:01.45 | karlpinc | adnap: Right, you'll want the regular repo for squeeze too. |
| 21:01.50 | adnap | karlpinc: obviously i already know about sources.list as i pasted my own, and i think xorg-server-core is available with any installation of debian |
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| 21:02.14 | karlpinc | adnap: The sources.list factoid has a sample line for the regular squeeze repo. |
| 21:03.04 | karlpinc | !tell adnap about mirrors |
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| 21:04.35 | karlpinc | adnap: I'll often use 2 mirrors pointing to the same repo. One that's fast that comes first, and another like "http.us.debian.org" that's sure to be there if the first fails. It takes longer to do an "aptitude update" though because it downloads the same list of packages twice. |
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| 21:05.17 | endomafrendo | karlpinc, Iridos: http://paste.debian.net/157341/ here is the fdisk the way I used it. in dmesg onbly the following line appears: sd 8:0:0:0: [sdd] Assuming drive cache: write through |
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| 21:06.54 | karlpinc | endomafrendo: Looks like you deleted the only existing partition. You need to put one back. (You can also use fdisk -s on the device to see that a partition table is there.) |
| 21:07.21 | karlpinc | endomafrendo: After you put a partition back then you can put a filesystem on it. |
| 21:07.37 | endomafrendo | karlpinc: but when I list the partitions again it is still listed... |
| 21:07.56 | endomafrendo | karlpinc: so it is not really deleted or am i missing something |
| 21:08.25 | endomafrendo | karlpinc: when I try to create one in gparted let's say, the message is, "cannot create overlapping partitions" |
| 21:08.32 | endomafrendo | or something of that sort |
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| 21:08.43 | adnap | karlpinc: thanks. do you know if the deb-src line is required? |
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| 21:08.59 | karlpinc | adnap: Only if you want the source code. |
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| 21:09.30 | karlpinc | endomafrendo: If the parition is there then it should show up in dmesg when you unplug/replug. (I think.) |
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| 21:09.50 | karlpinc | finds parted painful |
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| 21:10.27 | endomafrendo | karlpinc: [ 1976.343046] sdd: sdd1 |
| 21:10.31 | nand` | I installed libavcodec53 from squeeze_backports but this program I'm trying to compile still fails with Requested 'libavcodec >= 53.5.0' but version of libavcodec is 52.20.1 |
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| 21:10.42 | endomafrendo | karlpinc: this appears also... didn't look carefully enough |
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| 21:10.46 | karlpinc | adnap: You probably don't want the cd lines in there either, because keeping a cd in the drive all the time is annoying. |
| 21:10.59 | nand` | How do I fix this? |
| 21:11.00 | endomafrendo | karlpinc: ok, thank you for your effort |
| 21:11.02 | karlpinc | endomafrendo: Then you should be able to put a fs on sdd1. |
| 21:11.14 | karlpinc | endomafrendo: Again, "file -s" is your friend. |
| 21:11.29 | tonytraductor | got it worked out, then, just to be a smarta55, I sshed into mom' s computer from my phone (connectbot on android) and rebooted it from the other side of the room. stuff like that impresses mom |
| 21:11.29 | endomafrendo | karlpinc: thank you for pointing mi in a deirection, have a nice one |
| 21:11.56 | karlpinc | nand`: You probably need the development package too to get the headers. Just a guess. |
| 21:12.09 | adnap | yay! xorg is being installed |
| 21:12.17 | karlpinc | nand`: Usually those have package names ending in -dev. |
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| 21:12.48 | karlpinc | adnap: You'll also want something like gdm3 or slim. And of course some desktop or another. |
| 21:12.59 | nand` | karlpinc: there's no -dev package for libavcodec53 |
| 21:13.04 | adnap | karlpinc: xmonad! |
| 21:13.08 | nand` | there's just libavcodec-extra-53 but that doesn't do the trick |
| 21:13.23 | nand` | I think I'll need to build them manually |
| 21:13.56 | karlpinc | nand`: I'd think not, but you'd better ask someone with more of a clue than me. |
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| 21:26.44 | mah454 | I installed gnome3 in debian wheezy and install gdm3 on this . |
| 21:26.56 | mah454 | but this gdm have not true style ! http://blogs.codecommunity.org/mindbending/files/2011/06/gnome3-gdm.png |
| 21:27.06 | mah454 | How can change this ? |
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| 21:27.43 | mah454 | I need like this style :http://iloveubuntu.net/pictures_me/gdm%203.2.png |
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| 21:29.45 | kesroesweyth | can i use ls to see the list of directories in the working directory, each with the total size of everything within them? (that's the best i can word that question haha) |
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| 21:29.55 | kesroesweyth | or a better way in debian to do this? |
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| 21:33.38 | kesroesweyth | for instance if $PWD contains two directories, and each of those has 100 subdirectories, i want to see two lines in the output, one for each of those two directories, with size totals for everything within them. is that possible in a reasonably simple way? |
| 21:34.00 | nkuttler | kesroesweyth: du -hs foo bar |
| 21:34.04 | nemysis | Install Debian GNU/Linux net-install here now |
| 21:34.09 | nkuttler | throw in a find if you want to limit to directories |
| 21:34.22 | kesroesweyth | nkuttler > thanks! |
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| 21:40.23 | rozz | Can anyone help me put TrueCrypt on squeeze? |
| 21:41.31 | kesroesweyth | rozz > Does anything on this page help? http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=53987 |
| 21:41.57 | kesroesweyth | Wait, wrong link. |
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| 21:42.59 | kesroesweyth | I dun remember >.> |
| 21:44.23 | kesroesweyth | Can't you just download and compile right from their site? |
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| 21:48.56 | cardamon | hey. Can someone help me out with setting up this ssh key? I have a SSH server running at home, and I'm currently logged in through puTTY in the library. |
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| 21:50.30 | cardamon | I want to set it up so it authenticates with a key instead a password. puTTY doesn't use ssh keys by default, but I got it to export a private key. I'm just not sure what to do with that from there. Do I copy it to my home server? do I put it in .ssh/? |
| 21:50.36 | twobitsprite | so, I'm trying to set up puppetmaster on one of my debian servers, but the server's hostname is different than the DNS name I want the agents to use (a CNAME in my DNS)... how do I regenerate the server key/cert pair with the CNAME name? |
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| 21:50.47 | cardamon | Do I append it to .ssh/authorized_keys? |
| 21:51.15 | twobitsprite | I don't see anywhere in the configs where it specifies which .pem file in the $ssldir it loads... does it just default to the one with the same name as the hostname? |
| 21:51.38 | cardamon | I already have some sort of authentication setup for another device, so I can't wipe out my existing keys. |
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| 21:52.34 | muhoo | how do i find which driver module is used for which usb device? |
| 21:52.41 | Pupskuchen | How to run a command in the terminal in english? |
| 21:52.50 | lstarnes | Pupskuchen: just type in the command |
| 21:52.59 | Pupskuchen | nah, that's german |
| 21:53.01 | Pupskuchen | I'm german |
| 21:53.03 | muhoo | i.e. i have a bunch of drivers loaded, and a bunch of usb devices, and i'm trying to figure out which module to modprobe -r for that device |
| 21:53.21 | Pupskuchen | it was something with [LC=... or so |
| 21:53.21 | lstarnes | ah right |
| 21:53.34 | lstarnes | you may need to have LC_LANG=en_GB.utf8 comamnd |
| 21:53.49 | lstarnes | or just LANG=... command |
| 21:53.49 | ben1066 | anyone kknow of a command line pvr program? |
| 21:54.07 | ben1066 | so I can record then serve over dhcp |
| 21:54.10 | ben1066 | dlna* |
| 21:54.34 | somiaj | muhoo: dmesg gives you a lot of output. It usually tells you what device and or module attached to the usb device |
| 21:54.41 | kesroesweyth | cardamon, you can use the same key as the other device, or generate a new one using puttygen |
| 21:55.40 | muhoo | somiaj: thanks, that seems like it'll bear fruit |
| 21:56.46 | cardamon | kesroesweyth: Yes, but how do I get it/where do I put on my Server? |
| 21:57.07 | kesroesweyth | add the private key to .ssh/authorized_keys in the home dir of the user you want to log in as |
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| 21:57.19 | lstarnes | you mean the public key |
| 21:57.26 | cardamon | kesroesweyth: I have an existing key in authorized_keys |
| 21:57.33 | kesroesweyth | add it on a new line |
| 21:57.41 | kesroesweyth | lstarnes > yeah i think i mean public key ;) |
| 21:57.58 | lstarnes | usually this works: cat .ssh/id_rsa.pub | ssh user@remotehost "tee -a ~/.ssh/authorized_keys" |
| 21:58.12 | kesroesweyth | he's using windows, methinks |
| 21:58.29 | lstarnes | ah then it would be different |
| 21:58.30 | Iridos | one can have several authorized keys in one file |
| 21:58.46 | Iridos | sadly, one can only have one id_rsa |
| 21:58.54 | cardamon | Iridos: I get that. I'm just not sure how they'd append. |
| 21:58.57 | Iridos | I mean one id |
| 21:58.58 | lstarnes | you can have other keypairs though |
| 21:59.06 | kesroesweyth | cardamon > once its set up, you can disable password auth for that user if you'd like |
| 21:59.14 | cardamon | I know. |
| 21:59.17 | kesroesweyth | okies |
| 21:59.34 | Iridos | lstarnes, "several identities", but you have to decide on one for any given connection |
| 21:59.47 | cardamon | But I don't want to. Double pass authentication, incase I lose my key, literally, as it will stay on a flash drive. |
| 22:00.00 | kesroesweyth | hm |
| 22:00.09 | lstarnes | then there are two potential attack vectors |
| 22:00.13 | kesroesweyth | mmhm |
| 22:00.31 | kesroesweyth | don't lose the key ;) |
| 22:00.33 | Iridos | cardamon, buy a 2nd usb key for backup and put it in your safe :) |
| 22:00.38 | lstarnes | I have two sets of keys |
| 22:00.42 | Iridos | 2GB €2 |
| 22:00.50 | cardamon | okay, so either I can use my existing server's keypairs, or the ones generated by puTTY. |
| 22:01.09 | kesroesweyth | you'll have to convert the servers keypairs if you use them, iirc |
| 22:01.13 | kesroesweyth | w/ puttygen |
| 22:01.46 | cardamon | Okay, so which file do I give to puTTY to be converted, so I can login from putty? id_rsa or id_rsa.pub? |
| 22:01.59 | lstarnes | the first |
| 22:02.04 | kesroesweyth | just id_rsa |
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| 22:02.16 | kesroesweyth | it'll be the only one selectable when puttygen asks for the keyfile |
| 22:02.59 | kesroesweyth | if you're only using this key with the machine running putty, i'd just gen the key using puttygen instead of all the conversion stuff |
| 22:03.04 | kesroesweyth | but either way works |
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| 22:04.06 | cardamon | Iridos: Got it. |
| 22:04.11 | cardamon | er |
| 22:04.16 | cardamon | kesroesweyth: Got it. |
| 22:04.21 | kesroesweyth | :) |
| 22:04.43 | Iridos | anyway, he got it |
| 22:04.50 | kesroesweyth | hehe |
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| 22:09.53 | jhutchins_wk | I tried using an openssh key file from cygwyn by pointing putty to it and it failed. |
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| 22:10.14 | kesroesweyth | putty uses a different format key pair |
| 22:10.29 | themill | putty has it's own format and the puttygen program can convert them for you |
| 22:10.59 | jhutchins_wk | I guess I missed that step. |
| 22:11.19 | jhutchins_wk | It should be obvious like "import openssh key file". |
| 22:11.38 | jhutchins_wk | I just use the ssh on cygwin, it's more familar anyway. |
| 22:11.51 | jhutchins_wk | gets to ditch windows again next week. |
| 22:12.04 | Iridos | I just stick with debian linux, it's more familar anyway. |
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| 22:12.05 | Iridos | :D |
| 22:13.06 | jhutchins_wk | This is a reasonable compromise on a company machine for a temporary position. I am the only Linux guy in the company (it's why I'm here) and only two other guys can even deal with a Linux console. |
| 22:13.49 | kesroesweyth | jhutchins_wk > i agree that it should be more obvious. not sure why puttygen isn't part of putty, as in one app. |
| 22:14.08 | kesroesweyth | and just convert on the fly |
| 22:14.29 | kevlarman | why convert at all, the openssh format is the defacto standard |
| 22:15.33 | Iridos | I admit I never heard of this... never tried to use a key with putty |
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| 22:16.50 | weazle | pubkey? |
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| 22:17.14 | kesroesweyth | was a windows guy before learning anything of linux. I admit I never heard of openssh before having used putty o.0 |
| 22:17.21 | karsten | jhutchins_wk: It's Windows Ditch Day again? |
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| 22:18.55 | Iridos | karsten, what are we doing this evening? |
| 22:19.02 | Iridos | Iridos, what we do every evening! |
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| 22:20.05 | jhutchins_wk | I showed a very experienced developer (one of the two mentioned above) what rsync can do today and it just floored him. |
| 22:20.48 | jhutchins_wk | I know linux guys who don't know about openssh, they run putty. |
| 22:21.05 | jhutchins_wk | (For a sufficiently loose definition of "linux guys".) |
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| 22:22.36 | Iridos | well, there's putty in debian |
| 22:22.39 | Iridos | gotta be there for something |
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| 22:22.46 | kesroesweyth | I consider myself a linux guy, but I'm admittedly more experienced with Windows and Mac OS X. |
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| 22:23.57 | Iridos | there's such a lot of effort to make linux systems look and feel like windows |
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| 22:25.36 | kesroesweyth | should be the other way around |
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| 22:26.09 | Iridos | well, it's stupid |
| 22:26.28 | Iridos | every project should try to get it right, not make it look like something else |
| 22:26.30 | weazle | it's hopeless |
| 22:26.46 | Iridos | that's what apple did |
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| 22:27.06 | Iridos | with some commercial success - dunno how much success to reach the goal :P |
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| 22:29.19 | kesroesweyth | oh god, i just ran a command over ssh that took about an hour, and the output is too long to view it all o.O |
| 22:29.37 | kesroesweyth | is there anyway to repeat the output to a file without having to actually run the command from scratch again? |
| 22:30.16 | Iridos | should have used 2>&1 > file |
| 22:30.18 | Iridos | or nohup |
| 22:30.24 | Iridos | or possibly screen |
| 22:30.39 | kesroesweyth | all three very good suggestions, if i had a time machine :P |
| 22:30.41 | Iridos | err >file 2>&1 |
| 22:30.55 | Iridos | well |
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| 22:31.08 | Iridos | the learning effect will be all the greater for having to wait another hour |
| 22:31.14 | kesroesweyth | hehe |
| 22:31.28 | Iridos | you might be able to view more with PgUp or possibly shift-PgUp |
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| 22:32.26 | kesroesweyth | doesn't seem to be so |
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| 22:34.20 | Iridos | what was the command |
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| 22:36.02 | kesroesweyth | `du -hs * |sort -n` where the working dir was a mounted samba share over the lan with about 200 local website directories |
| 22:36.31 | kesroesweyth | the sort didn't even have the effect i wanted anyways lol because the outputted units of data measurement were dynamic |
| 22:36.34 | Iridos | if you're lucky, they're still cached in memory :) |
| 22:36.40 | themill | doing it on the samba server might be smarter |
| 22:36.57 | kesroesweyth | cant, the samba server is a terastation nas |
| 22:36.59 | themill | kesroesweyth: you might like to look at sort -h |
| 22:37.15 | Iridos | oh right |
| 22:37.19 | Iridos | that's pretty new, though |
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| 22:37.30 | Iridos | (i.e. added in the last 5 years) |
| 22:37.47 | kesroesweyth | themill, the du command was adding human readable values, but some were in KB, some MB, and some GB |
| 22:37.51 | kesroesweyth | would your suggestion help that? |
| 22:38.05 | Iridos | "man sort" might suggest a clue to that question |
| 22:38.17 | Iridos | /-h |
| 22:38.23 | kesroesweyth | i did that. misread it |
| 22:38.26 | kesroesweyth | "compare" |
| 22:38.35 | kesroesweyth | that word never made it to my tiny brain ;) |
| 22:38.47 | Iridos | read as "is specially made for the output of du -h" |
| 22:39.02 | kesroesweyth | hehe very cool |
| 22:39.09 | kesroesweyth | stops and restarts the command |
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| 22:40.12 | kesroesweyth | if i could get the output as it was originally and place it in a file, could i cat the file, pipe into sort -h, and get the same result? |
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| 22:40.43 | kesroesweyth | as du -hs * |sort -h |
| 22:40.54 | ehiggs | Hi all. I'm having some trouble with a dist-upgrade on testing: libepc-1.0-2 : Depends: libepc-common (= 0.3.11-1) but 0.4.4-1 is to be installed |
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| 22:45.33 | shingouz | kesroesweyth: how about using at least less after the sort? that way you could read the output easier... ;) |
| 22:45.43 | Iridos | or later :) |
| 22:46.24 | kesroesweyth | writing output to file now |
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| 22:49.37 | bigterd | garrrhhhh. |
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| 22:52.09 | bigterd | is there a bot for help triggers? faq stuff? |
| 22:52.30 | shingouz | bigterd: dpkg is. /msg him |
| 22:53.00 | bigterd | shingouz, thx |
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| 22:54.01 | bs0d | Hello |
| 22:54.37 | bs0d | I need to manually edit vpn configuration files for vpn connections, created using NetworkManager Applet 0.8.4 |
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| 22:54.48 | bs0d | Where should I look for those .conf files? |
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| 22:56.05 | kesroesweyth | maybe /etc/network ? |
| 22:56.07 | themill | bs0d: haven't we been through this before? It depends on what frontend you used and what type of vpn it is. |
| 22:56.39 | bs0d | themill NetworkManager Applet 0.8.4 and openvpn type of vpn connection |
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| 22:57.38 | themill | bs0d: and didn't we conclude that nm only gives you access to connections you've set up yourself in /etc/openvpn? |
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| 22:58.19 | bs0d | themill, no, we haven't talked about this. Maybe Im mistaken, but I really did not hear this before |
| 22:58.37 | mo1991 | is there a way to install gdm into debian wheezy? only find gdm3 in repositories and need gdm to setup mutliseat display manager |
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| 22:59.02 | muzone | hello! |
| 22:59.12 | muzone | how to wget all of http://www.awesometapes.com/ and http://moroccantapestash.blogspot.com/ into an organized collection? wget -m -A mp3 http://awesometapes.com won't work! |
| 23:00.26 | Kamping_Kaiser | wont work? |
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| 23:00.48 | muzone | Kamping_Kaiser: no sir.. |
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| 23:01.31 | themill | bs0d: [Monday 20 Feb 2012] [23:27:09] <themill>bs0d: is /usr/share/doc/network-manager-openvpn-gnome/README enlightening at all? /usr/share/doc/network-manager-openvpn/README seems to imply that you need to have manually configured openvpn first. |
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| 23:02.33 | kd123 | Does anyone have any experience using the Catalyst 11.x drivers with Squeeze? Do they break anything? |
| 23:02.47 | themill | bs0d: [Monday 20 Feb 2012] [23:36:41] <themill>bs0d: pan0 isn't going to be for your vpn. Did you read the two documentation files I pointed you to? Did you configure the vpn in /etc/openvpn? |
| 23:03.34 | muzone | check this out http://soundcloud.com/haukeland |
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| 23:04.14 | bs0d | oh, I didnt read this. Thanks, themill |
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| 23:05.05 | muzone | public service radio for haukeland university hospital, norway |
| 23:08.59 | nemysis | Debian works great thanks, have all Gnome deinstalled and installed Xfce and only startx for X |
| 23:09.02 | nemysis | xD |
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| 23:10.07 | karsten | Iridos: it's bench night, actually. |
| 23:12.17 | TheWarden | What there a change recently in the updates for Debian that would cause PHP error messages to no longer be displayed or logged? Every since I did an update it appears this information is no longer visible/present. Just saying as this may or may not be related to the update. Trying to find answers. |
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| 23:14.09 | bigterd | debians default GUI seems to hate my video card...what's the best way to disable to so console pops up instead? |
| 23:15.22 | dondelelcaro | bigterd: you should be able to get to a console by using ctrl-alt-f1 or similar |
| 23:15.46 | bigterd | dondelelcaro, yeah, but that doesn't diable the gui/window manager from loading on every boot? |
| 23:15.56 | bigterd | if i don't use it, might as well disable it to free up some resources. |
| 23:16.18 | dondelelcaro | !tell bigterd -about nodm |
| 23:19.02 | MrFrood | bigterd: have you tried "invoke-rc.d gdm3 stop" ? |
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| 23:20.09 | bigterd | MrFrood, not yet, |
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| 23:23.26 | adnap | i just installed the nvidia driver for my card and i think it's buggy: http://paste.ubuntu.com/854706/ |
| 23:23.45 | adnap | that is dmesg output after i startx |
| 23:23.59 | adnap | i used nvidia-xconfig to generate my xorg.conf |
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| 23:26.00 | MrFrood | !nvidia dkms |
| 23:26.01 | dpkg | For Squeeze users. Ask me about <contrib> and <non-free sources>. "aptitude -r install linux-headers-2.6-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` nvidia-kernel-dkms && mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf". Run "update-initramfs -u" and restart your system to enable the <nouveau> blacklist. For legacy drivers, see <nvidia legacy>. |
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| 23:27.18 | adnap | MrFrood: i have already built my kernel module and configured x |
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| 23:28.21 | MrFrood | adnap: a carful look at the sbove should give you an idea of xorg.conf settings required |
| 23:28.44 | adnap | MrFrood: i think my xorg.conf is correct. i generated it using nvidia-xconfig |
| 23:29.08 | adnap | MrFrood: if you look at the dmesg output i posted, it seems that the driver code is buggy |
| 23:29.34 | adnap | MrFrood: "failed to copy vbios to system memory" |
| 23:29.34 | MrFrood | are you using the correct driver for your card? |
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| 23:30.42 | adnap | MrFrood: i assume so. i followed this guide and i used module assistant to build the module: wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
| 23:31.29 | adnap | MrFrood: i think the nvidia-kernel-* package has drivers for multiple cards |
| 23:31.40 | adnap | MrFrood: and module assistant builds the correct one |
| 23:33.34 | MrFrood | adnap: if you built form source you may need to dissable dkms - but get a second opinion before trying that as I'm not 100% sure |
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| 23:35.20 | bigterd | MrFrood, i'll disable and try a few more things after an apt update |
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| 23:39.31 | adnap | can i get the old version of the nvidia driver through apt? |
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| 23:40.07 | kevlarman | adnap: have you checked apt's cache? |
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| 23:40.33 | MrFrood | adnap: do you mean the lagacy version? |
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| 23:41.57 | adnap | MrFrood: i'm looking with apt-cache now. i wonder what the legacy version is |
| 23:42.28 | MrFrood | the -173xx version |
| 23:42.43 | MrFrood | for older cards |
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| 23:44.41 | adnap | i can't figure out what the current version is |
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| 23:47.21 | adnap | looks like 290.10-r2 is the latest on gentoo |
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| 23:48.14 | adnap | i can't get any info about nvidia-kernel-common telling me what versions of the nvidia drivers it has |
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| 23:51.46 | adnap | i'm trying out the 173xx driver now... |
| 23:52.13 | MrFrood | adnap: try reading the changelog |
| 23:52.41 | abrotman | no! |
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| 23:53.30 | adnap | "added bug that causes the vbios load to fail" |
| 23:53.31 | adnap | :D |
| 23:53.48 | MrFrood | adnap: why not just check what driver your card should use? |
| 23:54.25 | adnap | MrFrood: they are all included in a single package: nvidia-kernel-common |
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| 23:55.14 | adnap | MrFrood: are you suggesting i build my driver from source? |
| 23:55.23 | MrFrood | no |
| 23:55.53 | MrFrood | adnap: what is your graphics card? |
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| 23:56.22 | adnap | MrFrood: nvidia quadro 1000m |
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