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| 00:01.17 | MrFrood | adnap: you do not need a legacy driver for that as far as I'm aware |
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| 00:01.44 | axisys | how do I create a usb0 interface? i have a usb a male / usb a male connected to it and my android tabllet |
| 00:01.46 | adnap | MrFrood: yeah, you're right. i just tried it and it says it doesn't support my card when i try to load it |
| 00:01.47 | axisys | tablet* |
| 00:02.56 | adnap | MrFrood: is there any way i can get a newer (but not newest) version through the package manager? |
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| 00:03.25 | MrFrood | adnap: http://packages.debian.org/squeeze-backports/nvidia-detect |
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| 00:04.50 | adnap | MrFrood: that doesn't seem like it's going to tell me anything i don't already know. i just established that my card isn't supported by the 173xx driver, and thus it is certainly not supported by the 96xx version |
| 00:05.16 | adnap | MrFrood: unless it can tell me the minimum required version |
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| 00:05.38 | MrFrood | well it might recomend http://packages.debian.org/squeeze-backports/nvidia-kernel-dkms |
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| 00:07.16 | adnap | MrFrood: but doesn't dkms use the same sources that i downloaded which module assistant uses? |
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| 00:07.42 | adnap | MrFrood: it depends on nvidia-kernel-common |
| 00:08.36 | MrFrood | adnap: the backports version of "nvidia-kernel-common" |
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| 00:09.10 | adnap | MrFrood: i can't seem to find that nvidia-detect script. i added backports to my deb entry in sources.list |
| 00:09.29 | adnap | MrFrood: i'm using cdn.debian.net |
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| 00:10.02 | MrFrood | !bpo |
| 00:10.03 | dpkg | backports.debian.org (formerly backports.org) is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Ask me about <backport caveat> and read http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ to enable and use. See also <bdo kernel> <bdo mirrors> <bdo contents> <bdo list> <bdo bugs> <backports-sloppy> <bdo xorg>. |
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| 00:10.58 | adnap | MrFrood: thanks. i guess cdn.debian.net doesn't maintain backports |
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| 00:17.12 | nemysis | dpkg is this http://wiki.debian.org/UnofficialRepositories or is official |
| 00:17.13 | dpkg | nemysis: You are person #1 to send an unparseable request |
| 00:17.16 | kd123 | Has anyone tried to upgrade squeeze's fglrx driver to Wheezy's fglrx driver? |
| 00:17.37 | kd123 | If I did this would I break anything? |
| 00:17.47 | abrotman | kd123: aren't the fglrx in backports? |
| 00:18.09 | abrotman | judd: versions fglrx-driver |
| 00:18.10 | judd | Package: fglrx-driver on i386 -- lenny/non-free: 1:8-12-4; lenny-backports/non-free: 1:10-4-1~bpo50+1; squeeze/non-free: 1:10-9-3; wheezy/non-free: 1:12-1-1; sid/non-free: 1:12-1-2 |
| 00:18.18 | abrotman | gues not .. so sad |
| 00:18.23 | kd123 | abrotman... I'm not sure |
| 00:18.50 | kd123 | What is the Catalyst version in Wheezy??? 12.1? |
| 00:18.51 | MrFrood | kd123: look at the message from judd |
| 00:19.02 | themill | nemysis: personally, I wouldn't touch any of the repositories mentioned on that page. |
| 00:19.10 | kd123 | "1:12-1-1" mean 12.1? |
| 00:19.11 | abrotman | it is .. but it's not showing up in judd |
| 00:19.23 | abrotman | kicks judd |
| 00:19.28 | abrotman | oh .. only amdy64 |
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| 00:20.00 | abrotman | judd: versions fglrx-driver --arch amd64 |
| 00:20.01 | judd | Package: fglrx-driver on amd64 -- lenny/non-free: 1:8-12-4; squeeze/non-free: 1:10-9-3; squeeze-backports/non-free: 1:11-4-2~bpo60+1; wheezy/non-free: 1:12-1-1; sid/non-free: 1:12-1-2 |
| 00:20.08 | abrotman | judd: i love you |
| 00:20.09 | judd | Package love (games, extra) in squeeze/i386: 2D game development framework based on Lua and OpenGL. Version: 0.5.0-2; Size: 437.8k; Installed: 1432k; Homepage: http://love2d.org/ |
| 00:20.14 | nemysis | yes I wish only stable packages |
| 00:20.17 | abrotman | uh .... |
| 00:20.18 | themill | !pal abrotman |
| 00:20.18 | dpkg | points at abrotman and laughs hysterically |
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| 00:21.30 | kd123 | I'm guessing it does because I know Squeeze's version is 10.9 and it's listed as "1:10-9-3"... |
| 00:21.31 | kd123 | abrotman: The packages in backports are stable right? |
| 00:21.38 | kd123 | so they won't cause a problem in squeeze |
| 00:21.45 | abrotman | "stable" |
| 00:21.45 | peterrooney | wonders if dpkg has lost it, or if abrotman is dangerous |
| 00:21.54 | themill | peterrooney: both |
| 00:21.59 | abrotman | peterrooney: i'm a little bit dangerous |
| 00:22.13 | abrotman | mmm .. roxette |
| 00:22.29 | kd123 | what do the quotes mean? lol That they may not be "stable"? |
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| 00:22.50 | adnap | MrFrood: i added "deb http://backports.debian.org/debian-backports squeeze-backports main" to my sources.list and did an apt-get update, and i'm still not seeing nvidia-detect |
| 00:22.59 | themill | dpkg: tell kd123 about backport caveat |
| 00:23.04 | engla | kd123: they are stable-backports! :) |
| 00:23.13 | abrotman | kd123: it means they're meant for stable .. but they're not tested the same way as other packages in stable |
| 00:23.36 | themill | they're also a bit of a moving target so not particularly "stable" in that sense either |
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| 00:24.01 | kd123 | ah ok I see |
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| 00:24.24 | MrFrood | abrotman: what happens if you try to install it? |
| 00:24.40 | MrFrood | er adnap |
| 00:25.09 | abrotman | MrFrood: for me? nothing .. i don't buy ati or nvidia if it's up to me :) |
| 00:25.11 | kd123 | well since I have fglrx installed already (and I have backports in my /etc/apt/sources.list file).... I can just issue the command "sudo aptitude install -t squeeze-backports fglrx" and it will upgrade it right? |
| 00:26.50 | adnap | MrFrood: it says "unable to locate package nvidia-detect" |
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| 00:28.11 | adnap | i did apt-get -t squeeze-backports install nvidia-kernel-common, but i can't tell if it actually got the backports version |
| 00:29.09 | zykotick9 | adnap: "apt-cache policy nvidia-kernel-common" should show where it came from |
| 00:30.04 | adnap | zykotick9: thanks. it looks like it came from cdn.debian.net! |
| 00:30.14 | adnap | so i'm not getting the backports version... :/ |
| 00:30.15 | MrFrood | you used the command "aptitude -t squeeze-backports install 'package'" ? |
| 00:30.24 | adnap | no, i used apt-get |
| 00:30.42 | adnap | apt-get -t squeeze-backports install nvidia-kernel-common as i said above |
| 00:30.53 | abrotman | still nvidia?! |
| 00:31.06 | MrFrood | "apt-get -t squeeze-backports install 'package'" ? |
| 00:31.36 | MrFrood | that should work |
| 00:32.07 | kd123 | ok |
| 00:32.11 | kd123 | thanks |
| 00:32.15 | abrotman | E: Unable to locate package package |
| 00:32.48 | adnap | MrFrood: tried it again and it looks like it's still pulling from cdn.debian.net |
| 00:33.05 | Mephisto | can anyone tell me why i always get troubles with audio if i install a newer kernel? : |
| 00:33.05 | adnap | perhaps i should disable that repo |
| 00:33.06 | Mephisto | :) |
| 00:33.13 | Mephisto | i mean.. common.. that's ridiculous... |
| 00:33.54 | themill | Mephisto: you would need to redo your mixer settings for the newer driver |
| 00:33.57 | MrFrood | adnap: I'd check your setting for backports first |
| 00:34.04 | Mephisto | i don't need a newer one at the moment. 2.6.38 does the job just fine for me. But i can't stop wondering why i had probs with .39 (scratchy noise when recording / talking on skype) and no sound AT ALL with 3.2 |
| 00:34.19 | Mephisto | themill, how? I tried to rebuild ALSA modules, but it refused. |
| 00:34.33 | themill | whatever that means |
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| 00:36.32 | adnap | the man page for apt-get says i need -t= |
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| 00:36.41 | adnap | i wonder if the equals sign matters |
| 00:37.17 | kd123 | Does apt-get have the "-t" release flag??? I only thought aptitude did |
| 00:37.33 | themill | both should work fine |
| 00:37.40 | adnap | kd123: yes. check the man |
| 00:37.57 | kd123 | ok thanks themill and adnap |
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| 00:39.50 | adnap | okay, i disabled the other repos and it's definitely not showing up from the backports.debian.org repo |
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| 00:40.53 | adnap | oh, i bet i know the problem! i didn't add non-free and contrib |
| 00:40.58 | adnap | >_< |
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| 00:41.09 | kd123 | lol adnap... I was just having the same problem |
| 00:41.28 | adnap | yup, that did it |
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| 00:41.55 | adnap | got nvidia-detect too! |
| 00:41.56 | adnap | yay |
| 00:42.08 | bigterd | i have a hdd that mdadm isn't liking, i removed it from the array, besides a reboot, how can i reset the drive with hdparm? |
| 00:42.25 | adnap | and it's totally useless! it says "your card is only supported by a newer version of the current drivers series" |
| 00:42.54 | adnap | going to try to build a module with the backports nvidia-kernel-common |
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| 00:45.34 | acu | how can I make button delete to delete files in GNOM3 (Wheezy) ? |
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| 00:46.58 | rraindown | is using a BlackBerry Runtime for Android Apps running Android 2.3.3 (2.0.0.56) |
| 00:47.15 | abrotman | acu: are you using a US keyboard and keymap ? |
| 00:47.20 | acu | yes |
| 00:47.23 | abrotman | rraindown: wrong channel ? |
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| 00:47.51 | abrotman | oh .. spammer .. got it |
| 00:48.13 | abrotman | acu: it works for me here .. but i'm on a laptop, not a desktop |
| 00:48.39 | adnap | a button to delete files? why? |
| 00:48.48 | abrotman | adnap: the delete key? on your keyboard? |
| 00:48.52 | abrotman | oh .. i misread |
| 00:48.58 | abrotman | acu: seriously? |
| 00:49.15 | abrotman | acu: go to irc.gnome.org ... ask them |
| 00:49.32 | adnap | abrotman: oh, lol. i thought you were talking about a gui or something |
| 00:50.04 | adnap | abrotman: er, acu rather |
| 00:50.17 | acu | abrotman: in Wheezy - Gnome - Nautilus - you select a file and press delete - it deletes it ? |
| 00:50.17 | Mephisto | is there any other clipboard that WORKS except for glipper? |
| 00:50.40 | themill | takes away Mephisto's caps lock to see if he stops shouting so much |
| 00:50.40 | vbrummond | acu: in gnome 3 you need ctrl+delete |
| 00:50.42 | Mephisto | pay attention.. i said the one that works. That means not parcellite or anything else. So far i've found only clipman |
| 00:50.51 | Mephisto | themill, sorry, i had to emphasize it. |
| 00:51.00 | MrFrood | Mephisto: pacrellite |
| 00:51.01 | Mephisto | but clipman is a part of xfce |
| 00:51.07 | themill | Mephisto: well if we're not allowed to suggest anything else, then why ask? |
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| 00:51.28 | Mephisto | MrFood,nah, that thing doesn't work with Iceweasel and other things. As if there was no clipboard at all. |
| 00:51.33 | themill | Mephisto: and what's your definition of "works". They clearly work given the number of people who have them installed. |
| 00:51.34 | adnap | THE SYSTEM IS DOWN |
| 00:51.41 | Mephisto | MrFrood, once i close the browser - it doesn't remember it anymore. |
| 00:51.44 | Sebby | how can i redirect to a file the msg that a script prints on screen? ... i used in the past something like ./script script-parameter > file.txt i don`t remember exactly |
| 00:51.58 | Mephisto | themill, well, hear my words and you'll know why it doesn't work for me. |
| 00:52.05 | MrFrood | Mephisto: works just fine with iceweasel here |
| 00:52.21 | Mephisto | glipper does it best for me. But it has a little startup bug. |
| 00:52.34 | Mephisto | MrFrood, how does it work? Did you do any settings in it? |
| 00:52.45 | themill | Mephisto: you could try asking a sensible question to begin with, rather than asking in such a fashion that people think you're a troll and many of the regulars have given up trying to help you. |
| 00:52.46 | acu | vbrummond, thanks - it worked - it is weird - since you can use one hand for mouse and one for keyboard - very "unergonomic" as I need to take my hand from the mouse ... anyhow - at least I know now |
| 00:53.01 | sysdef | adnap: once i had a crash while i copied an album of system of a down. that was very impressive |
| 00:53.14 | abrotman | acu: you can't hit ctrl-del with one hand?: |
| 00:53.29 | vbrummond | whats wrong with xfce4-clipman? it seems to work |
| 00:53.34 | Mephisto | themill, you know something.. i think it's their problem they think i'm a troll. I'd suggest them stop being paranoid. |
| 00:53.35 | adnap | SUCCESS! |
| 00:53.38 | adnap | :D |
| 00:53.46 | adnap | the backports nvidia kernel module works! |
| 00:53.57 | vbrummond | acu: yup not sure why the move, i guess people complained about deleting files by accident or something |
| 00:54.01 | Mephisto | vbrummond, yes, it works perfectly man. By the way, hello again. But it has one bad side.. i'm using gnome, and it installs a whole bunch of xfce stuff along and that consumes my resources. |
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| 00:54.10 | adnap | looks at his sexy high-res display |
| 00:54.21 | adnap | nvidia still has the gay bootsplash |
| 00:54.24 | abrotman | Mephisto: the bigger problem, as i've pointed out to you multiple times, is that you seemingly refuse to do basic research and reading about your own problem before coming here |
| 00:54.41 | MrFrood | Mephisto: on the behavior section I have 'use primary' and 'syncronise' checked |
| 00:54.43 | abrotman | Mephisto: and you and i have had discussions about that before |
| 00:54.45 | ParkerR | adnap, I like it. Let's you know it's working |
| 00:54.49 | themill | Mephisto: it's not. You come in, you complain, you shout, you ignore people who help, you keep on asking question after question without doing any background research and you generally piss people off. That's possibly not everyone else's problem... |
| 00:54.57 | Mephisto | MrFrood, i did that too, didn't seem to change anything. |
| 00:54.59 | adnap | ParkerR: so does x starting! |
| 00:55.08 | kevlarman | adnap: not exactly |
| 00:55.08 | ParkerR | adnap, True :P |
| 00:55.18 | MrFrood | adnap: YAY |
| 00:55.27 | vbrummond | Mephisto: xfce4-clipman which uses 2.3 MiB and xfconfd which uses 212 kib, id hardly call that "uses resources" |
| 00:55.32 | kevlarman | adnap: X can start and be useless (e.g. nvidia driver while you have kms enabled) |
| 00:55.41 | abrotman | Mephisto: in general, at some point, those that have thorough knowledge will stop helping oyu because it has become tiresome to watch you fail to do basic work |
| 00:55.43 | adnap | the bootsplash is gay guys. you know it to be true |
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| 00:55.50 | themill | dpkg: tell adnap about gay |
| 00:55.53 | Mephisto | themill, why do you people always have problems with me? You, abrotman, and that simonlu guy? What's the matter with you? What the hell do you want from me? |
| 00:56.04 | adnap | i'm not homophobic or anything |
| 00:56.09 | abrotman | Mephisto: what do i want? i'd like you to read some basic docs .. |
| 00:56.10 | themill | Mephisto: you're asking volunteers to help you. Your attitude should reflect that. |
| 00:56.16 | ParkerR | adnap, And that is the kind of thinking that ruins channels like this |
| 00:56.19 | Mephisto | themill, i'm not making shit up, i'm telling you what i have |
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| 00:56.25 | abrotman | Mephisto: do some work before you wander in here and ask very basic questions |
| 00:56.28 | themill | adnap: sure. Don't use "gay" in the pejorative then, please. |
| 00:56.36 | adnap | why not? i like to |
| 00:56.40 | abrotman | "what does gnome-audio do?" .. seriously? it has a package description, read it |
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| 00:57.03 | adnap | not going to stoop to using ghey... |
| 00:57.09 | Sebby | adnap X doesn`t start in your box? |
| 00:57.11 | adnap | it's OUR word! |
| 00:57.15 | vbrummond | either way thanks for pointing out xfce4-clipman, it works great for me :P |
| 00:57.21 | adnap | Sebby: it does now |
| 00:57.22 | ParkerR | Sebby, It does |
| 00:57.25 | themill | adnap: English is a lovely language with lots of adjectives that don't insult people. Pick another one. |
| 00:57.31 | adnap | themill: NO U |
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| 00:57.38 | vbrummond | themill: +1 :) |
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| 00:57.46 | ParkerR | themill, +1 |
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| 00:58.11 | ParkerR | abrotman, Woohoo :) |
| 00:58.13 | Mephisto | abrotman, listen, i'm tired of doing work, i want this thing to work for me and not the other way around, so if there's someone out there who knows then i don't wanna waste time looking for something that i'm not even supposed to be looking for. If anything that damn clipboard should be integrated into the shell, ok? And that's one damn ridiculous thing to have, a separated clipboard that either crashes or doesn't remember stuff |
| 00:58.19 | abrotman | tired of doing work .. |
| 00:58.24 | abrotman | great freaking attitude |
| 00:58.36 | abrotman | "I'm lazy, help me" |
| 00:58.41 | Mephisto | abrotman, if you just let me speak you'll find out what my problem is |
| 00:58.51 | abrotman | i know what your problem is :) |
| 00:58.51 | Riviera | hehe |
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| 00:59.06 | Mephisto | abrotman, parcellite "works", meaning, it remember stuff, but it won't let me Ctrl+V or right-click & paste things, ok? |
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| 00:59.18 | Mephisto | abrotman, and how the hell should i know why it doesn't do something it's supposed to do by default?! |
| 00:59.37 | ParkerR | Mephisto, Check PM |
| 00:59.39 | abrotman | like reading a package description ... |
| 01:00.37 | MrFrood | Mephisto: why not just middle click to paste? |
| 01:00.45 | vbrummond | i think that no question should be to simple to ask but sometimes a polite rtfm is the correct answer |
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| 01:01.10 | themill | Mephisto: the clipboard manager has nothing to do with the application shortcuts to copy and paste |
| 01:01.13 | abrotman | vbrummond: the problem is when the person refuses to RTFM |
| 01:01.26 | vbrummond | then make it not your problem at the point :) |
| 01:01.34 | vbrummond | that* |
| 01:01.56 | themill | vbrummond: indeed... chanserv has a handy "quiet" feature that helps with making it not our problem any more. |
| 01:01.58 | abrotman | vbrummond: there's "my problem" and 'channel nuisance" |
| 01:02.02 | Mephisto | vbrummond, exactly. |
| 01:02.15 | Mephisto | vbrummond, they prefer to teach me life instead |
| 01:02.27 | abrotman | Mephisto passed "my problem" long ago .. |
| 01:02.34 | vbrummond | well; im not going to get mixed up; just saying my piece |
| 01:02.46 | abrotman | gives vbrummond some peace now |
| 01:02.59 | vbrummond | i dont follow? |
| 01:03.30 | vbrummond | "give me some peace" what does that mean? |
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| 01:04.17 | tsccof | may aptitude and apt be used mutually? |
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| 01:04.38 | abrotman | tsccof: roughly, yes .. you may see some weirdness |
| 01:04.44 | themill | tsccof: with the exception of "aptitude hold" yes. |
| 01:06.06 | vbrummond | abrotman: i asked you what you meant by "give me some peace", in any context this does not sound positive to me |
| 01:06.21 | abrotman | vbrummond: it's perfectly fine .. not meant to be bad in anyway |
| 01:06.24 | abrotman | any way |
| 01:06.26 | vbrummond | ah ok |
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| 01:07.42 | Mephisto | abrotman, i see, when i told you about my problem you suddenly went quite. Not interesting, eh? Oh yeah, right, criticizing people is a way more fun. |
| 01:07.45 | tsccof | abrotman, themill: thanks guys |
| 01:07.49 | Mephisto | quiet* |
| 01:08.07 | abrotman | Mephisto: eh .. what problem? |
| 01:08.17 | Mephisto | abrotman, yeah. right. |
| 01:08.20 | abrotman | Mephisto: sorry, making food and doing laundry .. may have missed it |
| 01:09.00 | abrotman | scrolls up a bit |
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| 01:09.37 | abrotman | Mephisto: as someone else stated, ctrl-v is a per-application hotkey .. use middle click .. that's generally an X thing |
| 01:09.48 | abrotman | generally per-app anyway |
| 01:09.52 | Mephisto | abrotman, ok, once more. Parcellite remembers stuff. But it takes me to go up there, click on it and choose one of the lines it stored in its buffer. But it doesn't always work on Ctrl+V or mouse right-click and paste. As if there was no clipboard at all. That's exactly the reason i need a clipboard, to work the way desired. Glipper does ALL of it. But it's buggy. Clipman does ALL of it. But it snatches lotsa stuff from xfce. The rest doesn't work approp |
| 01:09.52 | Mephisto | riatly. |
| 01:10.00 | Mephisto | abrotman, ok, thanks. I'll try! |
| 01:10.11 | Mephisto | abrotman, and you're saying i was supposed to know that?! Middle click... sheesh.. |
| 01:10.12 | abrotman | Mephisto: i don't use glipper or clipman |
| 01:10.22 | abrotman | Mephisto: this is a *standard* thing in Linux and Unix |
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| 01:10.41 | Mephisto | abrotman, well sorry, i didn't know about such "standard" things. Never got around it. Bub. |
| 01:10.59 | abrotman | bub? |
| 01:11.01 | themill | Mephisto: umm... people told you that 10-15 minutes ago but you were too busy ranting and not actually reading. |
| 01:11.14 | MrFrood | Mephisto: if you want ctrl+v to do something set it in the actions tab |
| 01:11.28 | beardy | Actions tab, of what? |
| 01:11.32 | abrotman | MrFrood: if said DE or WM or App supports that |
| 01:11.40 | Mephisto | MrFrood, ah... now we're getting closer. |
| 01:11.50 | beardy | Middle click, or right click, try it and find out. It's not hard. |
| 01:11.53 | Mephisto | look everyone! MrFrood is talking sense now! That's what i wanted to know too! |
| 01:11.56 | Mephisto | anyone of you said that?? |
| 01:12.03 | vbrummond | Mephisto: clipman only adds itself and xfconf to system memory while in use and xfconf only uses mere kb of memory |
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| 01:12.09 | beardy | !hurry |
| 01:12.10 | dpkg | Ohhhhh.... Aaaarrrreeee yyyyoooouuuuuuuuu iiiinnnn a huuuuurrrrrrryyyyy? Welllllll... We do not cater to the ["me!me!me! : mine!mine!mine! : now!now!now!now!"] crowd .. so bugger off! Run home crying now ..and tell jo'momma that we spanked you! |
| 01:12.12 | beardy | !demand |
| 01:12.23 | Mephisto | vbrummond, no man, i'm on gnome and it gets some xfce stuff, really. |
| 01:12.25 | vbrummond | i would say it is suitable for use in any environment without being considered wasteful |
| 01:12.42 | vbrummond | Mephisto: and im on gnome and I just installed it and verified what it adds to memory |
| 01:12.49 | abrotman | that is "sense" ? he didn't even tell you where that Action menu is .. |
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| 01:13.05 | Mephisto | abrotman, i know where it is. |
| 01:13.12 | Mephisto | abrotman, that's one thing which is not hard to find. |
| 01:13.16 | MrFrood | abrotman: Mephisto knows I'm talking about pacellite |
| 01:13.20 | vbrummond | dependencies only take 'disk space' and in this case barely any; what matters is what is happening at runtime; and it does not even dent my memory |
| 01:13.46 | Mephisto | vbrummond, strange man.... i really had a lot of stuff running when i installed it. |
| 01:13.54 | abrotman | if he knew, why didn't he use it before?! |
| 01:14.00 | Mephisto | vbrummond, and that was consuming my resources radically. dunno.. gotta try again. |
| 01:14.44 | Mephisto | abrotman, 1) I didn't know what "action menu" is, though i assumed that might be it, 2) Even knowing what it is still doesn't give me a knowledge on HOW to actually do it. |
| 01:14.54 | ParkerR | :D Dropbox web UI update https://www2.dropbox.com/s/fqjzv2jbmj70r6q/2012-02-23-201240_1366x768_scrot.png |
| 01:15.13 | Mephisto | MrFrood, ok, could you tell me now please how to configure actions? |
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| 01:15.24 | beardy | Feed the baby Mr. |
| 01:15.28 | vbrummond | Mephisto: http://i.minus.com/inhHBNbZc6zB8.png |
| 01:15.30 | Mephisto | MrFrood, also.. is it possible to reconfigure mouse paste to right click instead?.. I mean. i'm not used to that. |
| 01:15.34 | Mephisto | vbrummond, ok.. let me see... |
| 01:15.48 | Mephisto | vbrummond, and that's IT?.... |
| 01:15.52 | Mephisto | vbrummond, unbelievable... |
| 01:15.52 | vbrummond | yes |
| 01:16.00 | Mephisto | i had a whole buncha stuff running there... |
| 01:16.02 | Mephisto | let me try it again.. |
| 01:16.26 | vbrummond | try "apt-get --no-install-recommends install xfce4-clipman |
| 01:16.36 | Mephisto | hm.. ok |
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| 01:16.52 | vbrummond | leaves off an xfce-bin package that I am sure is not needed |
| 01:16.52 | abrotman | Mephisto: you realize he didn't actually tell you how to do it? and you said it made sense? |
| 01:16.59 | Mephisto | vbrummond, yeah, that's a good thing to know. |
| 01:17.15 | MrFrood | Mephisto: if I remember it's covered on the pacellite web-site |
| 01:17.19 | Mephisto | abrotman, well at least he made it more clear that it's at least possible to do something about it! |
| 01:17.29 | abrotman | middle click didn't work? |
| 01:17.51 | Mephisto | abrotman, haven't tried that yet. I'm choosing between clipman and parcellite now. |
| 01:18.27 | Mephisto | vbrummond, it still wants to get all of these: libexo-0.3-0 libexo-common libxfce4util-common libxfce4util4 libxfcegui4-4 |
| 01:18.27 | Mephisto | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:18.40 | Mephisto | vbrummond, regardless of that command |
| 01:18.43 | vbrummond | thats fine, none of them will be running :/ |
| 01:18.46 | Mephisto | ok... |
| 01:18.54 | ParkerR | Mephisto, The libs dont slow the computer down |
| 01:18.55 | Mephisto | snatching it. |
| 01:19.11 | Mephisto | ParkerR, it did for me. Let me try again and see if it does the same thing. |
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| 01:20.06 | Mephisto | so far so good... |
| 01:20.16 | Mephisto | but let me log out and back in and see what's coming. |
| 01:20.20 | vbrummond | even if you ran alll of xfce4 on top of gnome it shouldnt slow the computer down unless you have almost no ram :/ |
| 01:20.42 | vbrummond | all* |
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| 01:20.54 | Mephisto | vbrummond, that's sensible, that's what i thought too. |
| 01:21.03 | beardy | FFS. |
| 01:21.15 | Mephisto | vbrummond, but something went wrong, or perhaps it was just a coincidence and something else was consuming memory. |
| 01:21.20 | Mephisto | vbrummond, i'm not sure. |
| 01:21.26 | vbrummond | its highly likely |
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| 01:22.24 | innociv | Can smeone help me with /etc/network/interfaces? http://pastebin.com/aQqdJYv7 Can someone double check this? I put a bit in comments to clarify. |
| 01:22.34 | innociv | Don't want to mess up my network config. |
| 01:22.38 | Mephisto | vbrummond, thanks for your time man |
| 01:22.57 | vbrummond | no problem, hopefully you find a solution that works best for you |
| 01:23.16 | Mephisto | yep.. i hope clipman puts an end to it this time... and won't spoil things up |
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| 01:27.07 | ParkerR | Woohoo http://i.min.us/iKTL0u56WGUtr.png |
| 01:27.18 | DanDare | I hate my keyboard |
| 01:27.50 | acu | innociv: what exactly are you trying to accomplish ? |
| 01:28.36 | innociv | Just make it so services can bind to one of those two ips. I have 3 given by my host |
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| 01:29.06 | innociv | One is already configured there. Don't I need something in interfaces for the other two? |
| 01:29.08 | bigterd | garh! i need some help! i havef a disk that keeps failing when trying to resync my raid 5 array. kerenel complains about sector 8 not being readable. hdparm writes and reads pefect every time from sector 8. using the -f option in mdadm when adding the disk back to the array, it still keeps marking it as failed....what am i doing wrong? |
| 01:30.15 | acu | innociv: so you have one computer - with one ethernet card connected to a bridge - and whant that card to have 3 IPs ? |
| 01:30.55 | innociv | I think. It's a dedicated server that I can't physically touch. |
| 01:33.46 | karsten | biggimat: got SMART on that drive? |
| 01:34.37 | abrotman | and he left .. didn't thank anyone . how nice |
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| 01:35.41 | DanDare | abrotman, not nice. You never know what happened at the other side though |
| 01:36.22 | abrotman | you're right, he might come back and thank everyone |
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| 01:36.43 | DanDare | abrotman, who knows :p |
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| 01:37.56 | DanDare | Once I was resolving really important stuff, not at home, using some 3G internet. The thing just dropped the internet for no more until the next day, that was really sad |
| 01:38.44 | acu | innociv: it seem that if you want for one card - you may do the right thing - usually I create a bridge when I want virtual machines to have public static IP - it seem that you do the right thing - though you have to know what you want - do you have more physical nics and each should have its own IP ? (just to a lspci on the server and you will see it) - or /sbin/ifconfig - but http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/linux-creating-or-adding-new |
| 01:38.44 | acu | -network-alias-to-a-network-card-nic/ may be a start |
| 01:38.46 | DanDare | I was on a city that everything were closed after 10:00 PM. How we are so dependent these days ... |
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| 01:39.14 | innociv | I have no idea. I'm pretty sure it's just one physical NIC. |
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| 01:39.32 | innociv | But i'll try restarting networking with this config and see what happens.. |
| 01:39.41 | Mephisto | for some reason clipman doesn't start up with system. And yes, it is present in startup apps section. |
| 01:39.45 | Mephisto | it just doesn't run. |
| 01:39.49 | Mephisto | i can run it manually though. |
| 01:40.10 | Mephisto | last time it worked iirc. |
| 01:40.11 | acu | Mephisto: you left and forgot to say thanks to people who help you :) |
| 01:40.19 | Mephisto | i said thanks to all of them. |
| 01:40.28 | Mephisto | just in private. |
| 01:41.09 | acu | I see :) so you got a touch of emotional intelligence and good manners after all :) |
| 01:41.14 | innociv | Nope that failed. Coudln't read the config |
| 01:41.29 | Mephisto | acu, perhaps |
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| 01:41.52 | Mephisto | acu, and what did you think i'm a wooden log or something? |
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| 01:42.25 | Mephisto | MrFrood, thanks by the way |
| 01:43.12 | acu | No, for sure you are a nice guy, you may have been exposed to some environment where people are your servants - here people dedicate their time and expertise and appreciate if you are polite, considerate and you put at least 50% of effort in following what they say :) |
| 01:43.24 | acu | innociv: what failed ? |
| 01:43.40 | innociv | /etc/network/interfaces:26: duplicate interface |
| 01:43.49 | innociv | And I currently can't bind to any address besides that first one |
| 01:44.51 | Mephisto | acu, i never demanded for help though. Why is it always i'm the biggest badass on the block?> |
| 01:45.03 | acu | innociv: i have no specific knowledge of this particular circumstance - as I said - I do routinely create bridge - when I do that I bring down the original eth0 and then bring the bridge up - ifdown eth0 ifup br0 |
| 01:45.04 | innociv | Oh I had a typo |
| 01:45.06 | innociv | had eth0:0 twice |
| 01:45.16 | innociv | WELL. I think I killed it |
| 01:45.19 | Mephisto | acu, and who are you anyway? Where did you squirt yourself out from? :) |
| 01:45.47 | Mephisto | anyway.. brb. |
| 01:45.59 | innociv | Ah nevermind it looks like I did it right |
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| 01:47.12 | acu | good |
| 01:47.15 | Mephisto | ok, back. |
| 01:47.21 | Mephisto | now it works |
| 01:47.32 | vbrummond | ah cool |
| 01:47.44 | Mephisto | what i did was... just deleted the startup entry from startup and re-entered the same stuff exactly. |
| 01:48.04 | vbrummond | gnome-session is a silly bugger :P |
| 01:48.05 | Mephisto | Clipman, xfce4-clipman.. nothing else. |
| 01:48.09 | Mephisto | yeah... probably. |
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| 01:48.39 | DanDare | You said NetworkManager ? Ah, no, ok, just gnome-session |
| 01:48.46 | Mephisto | resources are fine... |
| 01:49.00 | Mephisto | DanDare.. hey, isn't that from a spectrum game? |
| 01:49.26 | vbrummond | i didnt say anything close to networkmanager :p |
| 01:49.26 | DanDare | Mephisto, what you mean ? My nickname ? |
| 01:49.30 | Mephisto | DanDare, yeah |
| 01:49.52 | DanDare | Mephisto, yeah, it was a 8bit game also :) |
| 01:49.59 | Mephisto | i see :) |
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| 01:50.08 | Mephisto | DanDare, never played it on anything else but spectrum) |
| 01:50.13 | Mephisto | DanDare, there were 3 parts |
| 01:50.34 | Mephisto | DanDare, 3rd one was the best.. jetpack Dan :) |
| 01:51.08 | DanDare | vbrummond, ok... gnome-session and situation just reminded me about NetworkManager. lost some time of my life trying to discover why my network went broken, realized after some that it was gnome,... but not just gnome but networkmanager |
| 01:51.47 | DanDare | Mephisto, heh. I owned a zx-spectrum by that time, but never had (or played), the dandare game :) |
| 01:51.54 | vbrummond | that reminds me of a time where someone told me a cool story and i was like cool story bro ;P |
| 01:52.00 | Mephisto | DanDare, i see :) |
| 01:52.13 | DanDare | Mephisto, its a cartoon character |
| 01:52.26 | Mephisto | DanDare, yeah, thought so, but never heard/seen any |
| 01:52.31 | DanDare | vbrummond, cool story bro :D |
| 01:52.36 | Mephisto | DanDare, to me he's more of a game character though :) |
| 01:52.47 | DanDare | Yeah I know :p |
| 01:53.00 | vbrummond | hey guys, (not griping just mentioning) there is a #debian-offtopic for talking about non-support stuff |
| 01:53.06 | Mephisto | sorry. |
| 01:53.16 | Mephisto | i knew that was coming ;) |
| 01:53.21 | DanDare | good question vbrummond, #defocus most likely |
| 01:53.53 | vbrummond | i was just mentioning.. not griping :P |
| 01:54.03 | DanDare | whats the name of the Debian OT channel ? |
| 01:54.05 | Mephisto | how about.. #deviants |
| 01:54.09 | DanDare | Cant just remember ... |
| 01:54.50 | somiaj | DanDare: it is in the /topic |
| 01:55.05 | somiaj | (the most ignored thing on irc chans) |
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| 01:57.23 | DanDare | somiaj, yeah, sorry. Just got it, also vbrummond said it. Its what happens when youre sleepy, on a hospital, trying to access internet ... ouch .. thank you |
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| 01:59.57 | adnap | boop |
| 02:00.28 | adnap | laughs maniacally |
| 02:01.43 | anigma | I've been using this guide to set up an email server: http://www.kernel-panic.it/openbsd/mail/mail4.html - and I'm having some troubles with adding new virtual users to my MySQL database. I have successfully added another user, but for some reason there were no maildirs created for this user. Shouldn't it be enough to just update the MySQL database and reload postfix? |
| 02:02.15 | anigma | oups, this isn't openbsd... |
| 02:02.19 | anigma | nevermind |
| 02:02.22 | Mephisto | erm... clipman doesn't remember iceweasel stuff either actually... |
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| 02:02.34 | Mephisto | perhaps it was mistaken.. |
| 02:02.47 | Mephisto | now what am i to do... |
| 02:03.26 | abrotman | use middle click? |
| 02:03.35 | Mephisto | what i mean by "doesn't remember" is not copying straight from iceweasel while it's running, but copy, close iceweasel and paste |
| 02:03.38 | Mephisto | abrotman, didn't work. |
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| 02:04.11 | Mephisto | abrotman, like i said.. only glipper works always. But i wish it didn't have this nasty bug... |
| 02:04.32 | vbrummond | Mephisto: so, copy random text; close iceweasel, paste into text file, it remembers it for me using iceweasel 10 |
| 02:04.53 | Mephisto | vbrummond, hmm.... |
| 02:05.01 | Mephisto | vbrummond, well i'm using 3.6.27 |
| 02:05.08 | Mephisto | vbrummond, but i don't think that should really matter |
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| 02:05.16 | vbrummond | no i doubt it matters, but it works |
| 02:05.25 | Mephisto | i don't understand man... |
| 02:05.30 | vbrummond | i tested this before I recommended you try it |
| 02:05.33 | Mephisto | i mean.. i dunno why it's so... weird |
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| 02:07.23 | camurp0 | i have a question about blackbox. is it possible to change the arrangement of title bar buttons in blackbox? |
| 02:08.03 | kevlarman | oh god why does the installer default to ext3 :( |
| 02:08.12 | somiaj | camurp0: you may find asking #blackbox more appropriate (more likely to find a blackbox user there) |
| 02:08.13 | abrotman | kevlarman: it's a sensible default |
| 02:08.24 | kevlarman | abrotman: it takes 10 minutes to fsck 250gb |
| 02:08.42 | kevlarman | if this happened to be a 1tb drive... |
| 02:08.52 | abrotman | sensible ... |
| 02:08.56 | camurp0 | somiaj: there are only 3 other users over there and they're not saying anything :( |
| 02:09.23 | kevlarman | it's not so sensible for the system to take over 30 minutes to boot |
| 02:09.34 | abrotman | camurp0: the buttons on the actual window ? |
| 02:09.43 | abrotman | not the bar at the bottom ? |
| 02:09.53 | camurp0 | yes, like the X button or the maximize button |
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| 02:10.08 | camurp0 | I want the close button to be on the left instead of the right |
| 02:10.09 | vbrummond | ext3 does not have issues with database workloads and it has had much more testing than other filesystems |
| 02:10.56 | zenlunatic | vbrummond, ufs has been around MUCH longer |
| 02:11.11 | vbrummond | zenlunatic: i didnt see ufs as an option for linux :P |
| 02:11.54 | zenlunatic | true |
| 02:11.59 | vbrummond | i think its in the installer for kfreebsd though |
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| 02:33.05 | tsavory | Wow I have ran into some major problems I installed 6.0.4 webmin 1.580 following guide at http://woodel.com/ during the install and setup the only problem I ran across was libmd5-perl could not be found i skipped it and finished out the rest installed the noip2 to update my no-ip account if the external ip changes all good but then I want to get my printer working and problems begin |
| 02:33.27 | abrotman | !webmin |
| 02:33.28 | dpkg | Webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Removed from Debian post-Sarge, see http://bugs.debian.org/343897 . The Debian package from webmin.com is of poor quality. See <free whcp> for alternatives. |
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| 02:34.35 | tsavory | I have downloaded and the hplip and tried running the installer it telles me its has 7 missing required dependencies and gcc is one I ran apt-get install gcc and my system says I already have it and gives me errors about the noip2 |
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| 02:36.32 | tsavory | oh ok sorry I just want a solid ftp printer samba web server so whats a suggestion to get this all ? |
| 02:36.55 | abrotman | a what? |
| 02:37.03 | abrotman | you want to ftp documents to your printer? |
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| 02:38.43 | simonlnu | O_O |
| 02:39.28 | simonlnu | run-on sentences |
| 02:39.39 | tsavory | No I want the printer server because I only have one machine that hooks up to my lazer printer, I want a local web server, a local file server and FTP or sftp access to my files on my server but same I gues |
| 02:40.55 | tsavory | yes it is not great at grammar. |
| 02:41.17 | tsavory | sorry |
| 02:41.58 | simonlnu | sorry i shouldn't do that, but it's to be helpful |
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| 02:43.14 | tsavory | no problem it is no biggy to me I understand I come across badly at times |
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| 02:47.11 | trysten | laser* |
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| 02:49.26 | tsavory | anyways if webmin is such a bad deal will someone guide me a better solution to achieve the goal . As it is I have spent two days reading and getting this all working the only thing left would be the printer. If this is a problem then I will start from all over again with some guidance towards the proper software. Or if someone would care to help me find out what is going on and fix my problem. |
| 02:49.39 | tsavory | sorry for spelling errors |
| 02:49.52 | trysten | whats wrong with webmin? |
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| 02:50.11 | trysten | nevermind that. |
| 02:50.25 | trysten | how is your printer connected to your computer system |
| 02:51.24 | lasers | trysten: You rang? |
| 02:52.13 | tsavory | LPT1 its a hp laserjet 4l connected to my install of non-GUI debian 6.0.4 with webmin 1.580 |
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| 02:55.36 | trysten | lasers: sorry mate, i was being a tool to tsavory because he spelled lasers as lazers |
| 02:56.32 | lasers | trysten: Nah. I like to pop in and surprise people that somebody have laser/lasers for their account. Lot of time, people talk about laser printers. :) |
| 02:56.45 | simonlnu | install cups for the printer? |
| 02:56.47 | vbrummond | :P |
| 02:57.30 | tsavory | Cups fails I am posting a pastebin with install error I get when trying to install anything now |
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| 02:58.13 | lasers | pews pews pews |
| 02:58.16 | trysten | lasers: sweet name though. my nick isin't registered |
| 02:58.57 | trysten | fires his lazer rifle at lasers. |
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| 03:07.21 | tsavory | http://pastebin.com/z07gG5Af there was an update for libxml12 I tried to run and this is what I got back its the same as I get back trying to install cups or the drivers for my printer. |
| 03:07.22 | tsavory | this line is repeated about 500 more times I stripped most of them out |
| 03:07.24 | tsavory | insserv: Starting noip2 depends on rmnologin and therefore on system facility `$all' which can not be true! |
| 03:08.02 | somiaj | takahiro: what version of debian are you running? |
| 03:08.40 | karsten | trysten: I had an elephant gun once. |
| 03:08.52 | somiaj | tsavory: ^^ |
| 03:08.54 | somiaj | takahiro: sorry |
| 03:08.55 | karsten | Recoil was amazing. |
| 03:09.05 | tsavory | 6.0.4 |
| 03:09.07 | karsten | Reloading took a while. First you had to find another elephant. |
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| 03:09.36 | somiaj | tsavory: care to share your /etc/apt/sources.list seems you have a bad LSB header in one of your inint scripts causing problems. |
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| 03:12.15 | somiaj | tsavory: seems you have some init scripts complaining, none which I find are in squeeze, seems installing webmin messed with your system. did you install packages from an unoffical source? |
| 03:12.49 | simonlnu | webmin is guaranteed to be unofficial... |
| 03:13.22 | tsavory | No I got debian from debian.org links and wemin from the webmin.com site |
| 03:13.50 | somiaj | well what ever you did to install webmin, you seem to have broke things. |
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| 03:19.39 | tsavory | http://pastebin.com/gip2w9XG my sources.list |
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| 03:21.29 | zykotick9 | tsavory: you might be insterested in "/msg dpkg webmin" |
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| 03:22.00 | payne | ls |
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| 03:23.22 | abrotman | zykotick9: been down that road ... |
| 03:23.33 | tsavory | wget http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/webadmin/webmin_1.580_all.deb where I downloaded |
| 03:23.35 | tsavory | dpkg āi webmin_1.580_all.deb what I did to install |
| 03:23.35 | dpkg | tsavory: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 03:23.39 | tsavory | though Putty |
| 03:25.06 | tsavory | What? zykotick9 |
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| 03:26.02 | zykotick9 | tsavory: don't worry about it |
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| 03:26.57 | tsavory | OK I see you was messing with me and the bot its all good |
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| 03:51.30 | Maccer | 10MB/58MB (64) on a very stripped debian. However initscripts are complaining, so I have to do something about that. |
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| 03:53.55 | aristarchus | what do i do if my sshd_config doesn't recognize the options "Match" or "ChrootDirectory" |
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| 04:12.41 | johnfg | hi guys |
| 04:13.45 | johnfg | I'm transferring some mysql db's from lenny to squeeze. I'm using phpmyadmin for most of it, but there seems to be a difference between the two versions. |
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| 04:15.11 | berdario | Hello, I'm trying to get postgresql and cherokee to run automatically at startup... I've done "insserv /etc/init.d/postgresql" |
| 04:15.29 | berdario | but upon rebooting, it seems that it didn't work |
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| 04:15.40 | berdario | even if insserv didn't complained at all |
| 04:15.45 | johnfg | I.e. the 2 versions of phpmyadmin. Although my config.inc.php file on lenny says the database for phpmyadmin is phpmyadmin, I can't find it! |
| 04:15.48 | innociv | I have a build.sh script that's returning an error http://pastebin.com/AjQsL4r5 "make: *** [modules] Error 1" How do I make it stop and show the error? My buffer in ssh doesn't go back far enough to see it. |
| 04:15.54 | berdario | I also tried to dpkg-reconfigure both insserv and sysv-rc |
| 04:16.58 | berdario | innociv, I guess you have 3 alternatives: |
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| 04:17.26 | berdario | pipe it to less, pipe it to a file (you can use "tee" to duplicate the output) |
| 04:17.49 | innociv | do I just > /path/to/file? |
| 04:18.46 | berdario | and I guess you could also increase the scrollback size... but it depends if you're using screen or such... and I don't remember how to do it |
| 04:18.57 | berdario | innociv, yes, but that'll only redirect the output |
| 04:19.13 | berdario | stderr is with 2> |
| 04:19.46 | innociv | doing sh build.sh > /path/to/log kind of made a bunch of nonsense. Looks like a compiled thing. |
| 04:20.02 | berdario | (both should be &> ) |
| 04:20.11 | innociv | or well |
| 04:20.56 | innociv | Erm what should I actually do to have the output go to a file instead of the console? |
| 04:21.03 | berdario | do you mean that the log contains gibberish? |
| 04:21.16 | innociv | Kind of |
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| 04:21.26 | berdario | ./build.sh &> /path/to/log |
| 04:21.29 | berdario | should be enough |
| 04:21.29 | innociv | http://pastebin.com/kwJP6PhG |
| 04:21.35 | innociv | When I do what you just said |
| 04:21.46 | berdario | ah, ok |
| 04:21.50 | berdario | that's color codes |
| 04:22.03 | berdario | (I think) |
| 04:22.28 | berdario | try to do |
| 04:22.54 | berdario | .build | tee /path/to/log |
| 04:22.56 | innociv | It suddenly worked right |
| 04:22.59 | berdario | and see if it changes something |
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| 04:30.39 | innociv | The hell is this. Shell keeps just being unresposnive as well as the web server. It seems like my server is freezing rather than the network dying.. |
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| 04:31.16 | ludlow | hello |
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| 04:33.10 | CannedCorn | is it possible to share a screen using screen with someone over the network, i know its possible if you are on the same machine but not if it works over the network? |
| 04:34.23 | berdario | someone should really update this wiki page: |
| 04:34.23 | berdario | http://wiki.debian.org/LSBInitScripts/DependencyBasedBoot |
| 04:34.23 | kba | I was trying to perform some upgrades using "sudo apt-get install git", but now I get this http://paste.debian.net/157370/ |
| 04:34.28 | ludlow | whats a good system font to use?? The default fonts is killing my eyes! |
| 04:34.29 | berdario | it's terribly confusing |
| 04:34.37 | kba | Any suggestions as to what's wrong? |
| 04:35.47 | berdario | (apparently, my system is fine... and everything is setup to work correctly with the dependency based booting... but insserv is NOT a substitute for update-rc.d) |
| 04:36.11 | innociv | I like consolas |
| 04:36.16 | innociv | (Font) |
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| 04:36.58 | kba | Specifically, how do I handle 'dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/git_1%3a1.7.9.1-1_amd64.deb (--unpack):'? |
| 04:37.05 | berdario | uhm, no... I run update-rc.d and I assumed that its output meant that it was finally going to do what I expected it to do... |
| 04:37.21 | linocisco | hi can I ask ubuntu server related here as my question is not answered there for a long time? |
| 04:37.31 | kba | I tried to delete it, but it seems like it's just redownloading it and failing again |
| 04:37.31 | berdario | but I was wrong... I'm still at step zero |
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| 04:38.50 | aristarchus | how do i setup chroot with sftp? |
| 04:39.11 | zykotick9 | linocisco: level and quality of support should be a consideration in the gnu/linux distro you use. |
| 04:39.13 | kba | I changed my sources.list to use another repo - that seemed to work |
| 04:39.43 | linocisco | zykotick9, so which channel I should join? |
| 04:39.58 | linocisco | zykotick9, #channelname , PLease ?? |
| 04:39.59 | zykotick9 | linocisco: #ubuntu or #ubuntu-server |
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| 04:40.22 | linocisco | zykotick9, I did already. no response. they are not interested in my topic |
| 04:40.37 | zykotick9 | linocisco: well, ubuntu is not supported here |
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| 04:40.51 | zykotick9 | linocisco: ##linux |
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| 04:40.56 | linocisco | zykotick9, but it is debian based anyway |
| 04:41.08 | zykotick9 | linocisco: doesn't matter ubuntu is not debian |
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| 04:41.14 | Vasistha | kba: what repo were you using before, and what are you using now? |
| 04:41.32 | linocisco | zykotick9, ok thanks anyway |
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| 04:43.53 | kba | Vasistha: ftp.dk.debian.org, now using ftp.uk.debian.org I think |
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| 04:44.44 | kba | but I must be doing something wrong, since most stuff won't get upgraded. I'm using irssi 0.8.12, even though 0.8.15 has been out for almost a year. Also I'm using git 1.5.6.5, even though they're at 1.7.9.2. |
| 04:45.37 | kba | Any idea what I might be doing wrong? Right now I have 'deb-(src)? http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ lenny main contrib non-free unstable' |
| 04:45.59 | berdario | anyone has any hint about how to debug my problem with init? |
| 04:46.05 | rmacd | I'm using jailkit on Squeeze. Has anyone any ideas as to how ps or w-like info could be given to chrooted users, without mounting /proc in chroot fs? |
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| 04:49.29 | baethan | Hi! can anyone point me to a reference/article on how I can use updated Chromium version in Debian Stable -- I read on the the debian forum but I hit some snags I don't dare play with... |
| 04:49.31 | Vasistha | kba: you should take "unstable" out of your sources.list and upgrade your system to squeeze |
| 04:49.38 | Vasistha | !tell kba about lenny->squeeze |
| 04:49.40 | rmacd | I could make ps +s but implications of this might not be desirable. |
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| 04:50.05 | baethan | link being: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=66964&p=422186#p422186 |
| 04:50.12 | factor | Has anyone worked with usb serial ports, do i need to use set serial on them? |
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| 04:52.02 | kba | Vasistha: thanks a lot, doing it right now |
| 04:52.11 | tsavory | I did a make install on no-ip-2.1.9 how can I remove it? |
| 04:58.30 | tsavory | insserv: warning: script 'KO1noip2" missing lsb tags and overrides |
| 04:58.32 | tsavory | Anyone have any ideas how to find this problem? I got about 500 errors down to two |
| 04:59.42 | kba | Vasistha: It says "check you have a 2.6.32 kernel installed", but I do'nt - mine is 2.6.26-2-vserver-amd-64 |
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| 05:00.01 | kba | Should I upgrade my kernel first? |
| 05:00.25 | Vasistha | kba: did you follow the instructions before that, in order to install a newer kernel? |
| 05:00.45 | Vasistha | kba: ...you should follow the instructions in order ;) |
| 05:01.35 | kba | Vasistha: yes, yes I did. "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` udev" |
| 05:01.50 | kba | Then it says "Install firmware-linux-nonfree if needed; check you have a 2.6.32 kernel installed "aptitude search '~nlinux-image~i'" and reboot into it. "apt-get dist-upgrade". READ THE <release notes>." |
| 05:02.17 | kba | OK, I didn't do the firmware-linux-nonfree, since I don't know what that is |
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| 05:02.36 | Vasistha | kba: so reboot your computer and select the new .32 kernel in grub. Then see if your system works fine (video and wireless are the most likely to have trouble due to needing firmware-linux-nonfree) |
| 05:02.53 | Vasistha | kba: if your video and wireless (and other stuff) are working just fine, then you can proceed with the rest of the upgrade |
| 05:03.01 | kba | this is my server, I have neither video nor wireless |
| 05:03.07 | kba | I'm accessing it only through SSH |
| 05:03.13 | kba | so I won't really be able to choose anything from grub either |
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| 05:05.07 | kba | so... any suggestions on how to proceed? ;-) I can't very well just test something arbitruarily, the server is hundreds of kilometres away |
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| 05:06.30 | Vasistha | kba: hmm. how well do you know the hardware? |
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| 05:07.28 | kba | not very well, but do I need to know much more than just the NIC? |
| 05:07.46 | karlpinc | !tell kba about pciid |
| 05:08.18 | karlpinc | kba: That can tell you your hardware and (usually) what drivers/firmware is needed. |
| 05:08.38 | karlpinc | kba: Nothing's better than a serial console for a remote box. |
| 05:09.01 | kba | ;-) |
| 05:09.06 | Vasistha | kba: there ought to be some manual somewhere on debian's website that addresses upgrading debian over ssh. I know I've seen it discussed here before. |
| 05:09.09 | karlpinc | !tell kba about serial console |
| 05:09.29 | karlpinc | Vasistha: You can upgrade over ssh by following the release notes, closely. |
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| 05:09.35 | kba | I love that every message from dkpg's begins with "x wants you to know" |
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| 05:10.21 | karlpinc | Vasistha: I've done it a lot, and it's not gone bad. But if it does then a serial console is the way out of trouble. (A netconsole might help, if it works.) |
| 05:10.48 | kba | anyway, this all seems a bit experimental |
| 05:10.51 | karlpinc | kba: I don't suppose you have a serial console available? |
| 05:11.00 | kba | nope |
| 05:11.10 | Vasistha | kba: well if you /msg dpkg ... then it won't say that... it only does that when one of us does "!tell kba about such-and-such" |
| 05:11.24 | kba | Vasistha: yes, I figured :) |
| 05:11.32 | karlpinc | kba: So, what's the plan if the upgrade goes badly then? |
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| 05:12.29 | karlpinc | kba: This is lenny->squeeze? |
| 05:12.30 | kba | right now it's about 6 AM in Denmark, so I think I'll wait a few hours, so there's actually a chance that somebody's in the data center able to assist me |
| 05:12.33 | kba | Yes |
| 05:12.56 | kba | or I could just mail somebody, I'm sure I can get somebody to fix it for me |
| 05:13.12 | kba | on the other hand, what are the dangers in using squeeze sources for lenny? |
| 05:13.56 | karlpinc | kba: You should be ok if you pay attention to the release notes. There's a part in section 4 that describes where you have to install a new kernel and udev and reboot. There's a remark there that you'd better install firmware too, IIRC. How to find the (free or not) firmware you need is detailed in a separate section of the release notes. You need to read both. |
| 05:13.56 | kba | I'm not doing anything crazy, just some java apps, apache/php/mysql hosting |
| 05:14.36 | karlpinc | kba: Mixing releases is trouble. Better to upgrade. The whole point of upgrading is to be able to run new stuf in an environment that will work. |
| 05:14.48 | karlpinc | kba: Not to mention, lenny's out of security support. |
| 05:15.03 | kba | is it really that old? |
| 05:15.23 | karlpinc | kba: Squeeze was released more than a year ago, so it's out of support. |
| 05:15.36 | kba | I see |
| 05:17.15 | karlpinc | kba: You can see the short instructions in <lenny->squeeze>. Better to read the whole instrucions than get stuck. (Although really, it's chapter 4 that's where the meat is. The rest is for avoiding trouble or recovering in case of trouble. Better pay attention to the former.) |
| 05:17.38 | karlpinc | !tell kba about lenny->squeeze |
| 05:17.56 | kba | karlpinc: yeah, I got that one already ;-) |
| 05:18.14 | karlpinc | kba: So, you can see that when it comes down to it, not much to type. |
| 05:18.29 | Vasistha | karlpinc: so far we got him up to the "install firmware-nonfree, check that the new kernel is installed, and reboot" part |
| 05:18.40 | Vasistha | rebooting's a little scary... |
| 05:18.42 | kba | but I'm just writing the guys at the facility, hopefully I can get one of them to do it, since I vaguely recall they even asked me if I wanted it about a year ago, but I declined, because, well, everything worked great! |
| 05:19.05 | kba | so I appreciate your help a lot, and as Vasistha says, rebooting is a bit scary and I wouldn't like to sacrifice anything if I can avoid it |
| 05:19.15 | karlpinc | Vasistha: Then he needs to check if he needs non-free firmware. Either follow the instructions in the release notes or get the pciid of his card and ask judd. |
| 05:19.24 | Vasistha | if they're offering to do it that's awesome |
| 05:19.49 | karlpinc | Vasistha: (Of course that was when they were upgrading all their own stuff too. :-) |
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| 05:20.08 | karlpinc | kba: So, pciid? |
| 05:20.45 | Vasistha | yeah, the offer might not still be good. but if they're cool enough to do that, I'll bet they can be on call to get him out of a sticky situation |
| 05:20.51 | karlpinc | Vasistha: Did you start with the "make a backup first" part? (Never hurts.) |
| 05:21.24 | Vasistha | I didn't. and it's good advice. I just gave him the lenny->squeeze factoid |
| 05:21.40 | kba | karlpinc: no, right now I'll just mail them and see :) but they've reinstalled my system before, so I think I can convince them. I've been hosted there for 5 years or so now, so I think I have some goodwill build up by now |
| 05:21.56 | kba | I just wanted to do it myself if I could, but let's see about it |
| 05:22.24 | kba | anyway, it's 6:22 AM and I should be sleeping. Thanks a lot for your time, help and kindness, karlpinc and Vasistha |
| 05:22.46 | karlpinc | kba: Well, you're halfway through. That's a bit of an awkward place to stop. What if the box is rebooted for some reason? I'd at least get the pciid and make sure you've the firmware you need before stopping. |
| 05:23.18 | karlpinc | kba: That way if it does reboot it'll probably work and you'll be able to just finish the upgrade with a single command. (Aside from cleanup of removed but not purged packages, etc.) |
| 05:23.25 | kba | karlpinc: it says "pcilib: Cannot open /proc/bus/pci, lspci: Cannot find any working access method. |
| 05:23.44 | kba | so I guess I'm out of luck |
| 05:23.57 | karlpinc | kba: Are you root? (You want "lspci -nn" too.) |
| 05:24.32 | kba | I and and that's what I called, yes. I'm in one of 2 VMs on a machine |
| 05:24.40 | karlpinc | kba: Sounds like a vps. In which case the hosting provider often does the kernels and you need to coordinate with the them. |
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| 05:25.29 | karlpinc | kba: Those VM also do different things with nic support, depending. Better talk to the hosting company. |
| 05:25.56 | karlpinc | !tell kba about readme.debian |
| 05:26.56 | kba | Just mailed them. :) Thank you and good night |
| 05:27.05 | karlpinc | kba: You sometimes need readme.debian for upgrading databases and stuff that uses them, or at least the upstream docs which are in the same dir. Don't purge any old packages until you've got everything working. Purging comes last is sometimes it will break the upgrade if you do it first! |
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| 05:35.03 | CVirus | How can I rmmod a module and all the other modules depending on it ? |
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| 05:37.47 | LtL | CVirus: modprobe -r would be a safer way, but i would check the man pages. |
| 05:38.16 | CVirus | FATAL: Module snd is in use. |
| 05:38.20 | CVirus | LtL: ^ |
| 05:40.49 | gnarface | CVirus: the modules using it are listed in the lsmod output, as are the modules using each of those in turn. i don't know of any pre-existing scripts to do this recursively but it wouldn't be hard to write yourself, or just do manually |
| 05:41.16 | CVirus | gnarface: thanks a lot |
| 05:42.11 | gnarface | CVirus: for you to remove the snd module for example, you'd have to remove all the specific drivers loaded by it - one more gotcha, you have to close any *programs* that may be tieing them up too, which for the soundcard driver itself may very well include your window manager itself (esp. if you're using KDE or GNOME) |
| 05:42.41 | CVirus | gnarface: can't I just take alsa down and rmmod them ? |
| 05:43.14 | gnarface | CVirus: probably. i've had luck just disabling sound effects in the window manager config as well. make sure you close iceweasel too, tabs with flash embeds also tie up the soundcard |
| 05:43.28 | CVirus | gnarface: thanks a lot |
| 05:44.10 | gnarface | CVirus: good luck |
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| 05:48.46 | innociv | I have something running on port 80 on my server and it keeps timing out. How can I diagnose why? |
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| 05:49.25 | jason200 | looking for a good firewall program for kde |
| 05:49.49 | gnarface | innociv: port 80 is usually your web server. look in /var/log/apache2 or /var/log/lighttpd or something like that |
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| 05:50.16 | innociv | It's a cometd. Nothing is in its log and it appears to be running |
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| 05:50.20 | innociv | I feel like it's a network issue |
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| 05:51.34 | innociv | Pinging ... with 32 bytes of data: request timed out |
| 05:51.35 | gnarface | innociv: you can connect to http://127.0.0.1/ with wget or lynx or the like to test that theory |
| 05:52.07 | gnarface | innociv: but you are connected with ssh? |
| 05:52.09 | innociv | There is 3 ips on the box |
| 05:52.10 | innociv | Yes |
| 05:52.15 | innociv | But not to that ip |
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| 05:52.29 | ROKO__ | morning |
| 05:52.31 | ROKO__ | http://paste.pocoo.org/show/555929/ |
| 05:52.40 | gnarface | innociv: i promise it has that ip, but you will only be able to get to it through your ssh shell |
| 05:53.01 | innociv | Hm? |
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| 05:53.41 | gnarface | innociv: from the ssh terminal you're currently using, while logged into the server, do this: lynx http://127.0.0.1/ |
| 05:53.56 | gnarface | innociv: if it says it can't find the command lynx then try wget instead |
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| 05:54.22 | innociv | ssh laggign really bad. Hang on |
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| 05:56.19 | ROKO__ | ideas ? |
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| 05:57.52 | innociv | Oh |
| 05:58.02 | innociv | host says i'm getting attacked and the ip has been null routed. |
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| 05:58.44 | Duker | Trying to get audio to work on a thinkpad t420s, internet says I need the snd-hda-intel module, but I'm not entirely sure how to add that module. |
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| 06:00.15 | innociv | http://pastebin.com/QpQX1g6Y What sort of firewall rules would I need to mitigate a UDP flood that won't stop reverse dns lookups from mail hosts? :\ |
| 06:00.22 | karlpinc | !tell ArchDuke about pciid |
| 06:01.11 | karlpinc | innociv: What resource is being consumed? If it's network, you're plain out of luck because, well, it's already hit the network by the time you see it. |
| 06:01.26 | innociv | Yeah :| |
| 06:01.36 | innociv | I don't quite understand my hosts custom firewall thing. |
| 06:01.42 | innociv | If it's not on the switch, what's the point?... |
| 06:02.37 | karlpinc | innociv: Just another layer of security, say, blacklisting repeated connection attempts to thwart brute-forcing a password. |
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| 06:03.34 | r3m | Hi, is there a command to know the current screen resolution? |
| 06:04.02 | ArchDuke | karlpinc: Thanks :D |
| 06:04.13 | karlpinc | r3m: Yes, but damm if I know what it is. "man -k" or perhaps debtags is your friend. |
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| 06:04.53 | innociv | karlpinc, but can't you do that on iptables? |
| 06:04.54 | LtL | r3m: xrandr -q |
| 06:05.06 | innociv | My host has a "custom firewall". But the firewall is within my server, right? What's the point? |
| 06:05.06 | r3m | LtL: karlpinc thanks guys |
| 06:05.15 | karlpinc | innociv: Yes.... Iptables is on your box though. |
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| 06:06.25 | karlpinc | innociv: Script kiddies will crack in and install something or another that's automatic. If the firewall is default-deny then it may not be able to connect back out. |
| 06:06.34 | innociv | It says 300mbps attack |
| 06:07.08 | karlpinc | ArchDuke: You want to ask the channel. Find it with aptitude search or apt-cache search on the modulename. Then just install the package like anything else. |
| 06:07.53 | ArchDuke | karlpinc: Thanks again |
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| 06:08.24 | karlpinc | innociv: Or they won't be able to do anything if a cracker starts to listen on a port on your box, unless they also disable the firewall. Like I said, another layer of security. |
| 06:09.07 | karlpinc | innociv: Nothing protects you from network flooding except upstream ISP protection. |
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| 06:10.06 | innociv | The provider says they protect against udp floods :/ |
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| 06:10.49 | karlpinc | innociv: So, they know it's happening? How are they going to tell good traffic from bad? |
| 06:11.02 | innociv | The pastebin is what their support responde to me with |
| 06:11.48 | innociv | innociv 4169 72.20.46.17 (Graph) V Feb 23 19:32:25 PST 2012 Feb 23 20:03:07 PST 2012 299,457 Kbps 152,361 PPS This IP was nullrouted at Feb 23 21:40:49 PST 2012 and is currently still nullrouted. |
| 06:12.56 | ArchDuke | The modules I need aren't showing in aptitide search or apt-cache search |
| 06:13.37 | karlpinc | innociv: Your isp is merely protecting their box's system resources by blocking traffic so the box does not see it. That does not help your service, but there's probably nothing to be done. |
| 06:13.50 | somiaj | ArchDuke: modules are usually part of the linux kernel, there are a few non-free modules that can be built ontop of it debian provides build packages for. What module are you looking for? |
| 06:13.55 | karlpinc | ArchDuke: apt-file search? |
| 06:14.23 | ArchDuke | I'm looking for 'ata_generic' and 'snd-hda-intel' |
| 06:14.40 | somiaj | ArchDuke: do you have a custom kernel or using a linux-image debian kernel package? |
| 06:14.58 | somiaj | ArchDuke: those should be a part of the kernel. And if they aren't loading automatically you may have something else going on. |
| 06:15.22 | ArchDuke | I'm using 3.2.0-0.bpo.1-amd64 |
| 06:15.44 | karlpinc | !tell ArchDuke about alsa checklist |
| 06:15.55 | karlpinc | ArchDuke: Don't know if the above will help or not. |
| 06:16.18 | somiaj | ArchDuke: you can type 'lsmod' that shouls the loaded modules |
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| 06:16.37 | karlpinc | ArchDuke: lsmod | grep snd-hda-intel should tell you if it's loaded. |
| 06:17.08 | karlpinc | ArchDuke: You can also look at the output of dmesg, and /var/log/messages to see what the kernels thinking. |
| 06:17.09 | ArchDuke | karlpinc: returns nothing |
| 06:17.59 | ArchDuke | karlpinc: I mean lsmod | grep snd-hda-intel |
| 06:18.17 | somiaj | that is because it is snd_hda_intel |
| 06:19.39 | ArchDuke | in lsmod I see snd_hda_intel, but its for snd_page_alloc, is that correct? |
| 06:20.15 | somiaj | that just means that snd_page_alloc is using snd_hda_intel |
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| 06:21.15 | ArchDuke | cmus returns in internal error opening my audio device |
| 06:22.21 | innociv | god.. |
| 06:22.39 | ArchDuke | It must be cmus, not my sound modules, sorry guys |
| 06:22.41 | innociv | For over a week now I've been udp flooded from 75mbps-1gbps+. I don't know what to do :/ |
| 06:22.54 | innociv | I can't afford $1000 a month hosting |
| 06:22.58 | tsavory | I am trying to get noip duc working I have read http://siripong-computer-tips.blogspot.com/2012/01/run-noip-duc-automatically-when-debian.html but when I run insserv noip2 I get an error about |
| 06:23.00 | tsavory | insserv: warning: current start runlevel(s) (empty) of script `noip2' overwrites defaults (2 3 4 5). |
| 06:23.01 | tsavory | insserv: warning: current stop runlevel(s) (0) of script `noip2' overwrites defaults (0 1 6). |
| 06:23.03 | tsavory | any ideas? what I can do to fix this |
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| 06:23.26 | gnarface | innociv: read up on tcpdump and iptables. it should be pretty easy to isolate where the traffic is coming from and block it |
| 06:23.42 | somiaj | tsavory: what is this noip2 init script, I still can't find it as part of debian, this is probablay more artifiacts from what ever you did to install webmin |
| 06:23.48 | innociv | gnarface, I'm pretty sure that blocking all udp traffic won't stop it? |
| 06:23.54 | innociv | The upstream is still hitting the firewall.. |
| 06:23.59 | innociv | It's still getting to my box |
| 06:24.28 | gnarface | innociv: it'll stop it from screwing with your system. it won't stop it from wasting your bandwidth, but most hosting providors charge by upload, not download, no? |
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| 06:24.50 | innociv | It's not screwing with my system, it's merely using up all bandwidth |
| 06:25.17 | gnarface | innociv: you can report the problem to your hosting provider, then. it may help to know the ip of the attacker ahead of time |
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| 06:25.31 | innociv | It's many ips. DDoS. |
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| 06:26.18 | gnarface | innociv: the count of ip addresses that need to be blocked does not change the fact that you need your ISP's help now. are you hearing what i'm telling you? |
| 06:26.31 | tsavory | somiaj it is a script to auto update dns for use of no-ip.org's services not part of debian or webmin |
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| 06:26.56 | innociv | No host seems to want to block them. |
| 06:27.01 | somiaj | tsavory: does it have correct LSB headders? |
| 06:27.18 | somiaj | http://wiki.debian.org/LSBInitScripts |
| 06:27.56 | gnarface | innociv: i highly doubt that's true. |
| 06:28.51 | innociv | Alright well here is email from my last host "The problem is they just attack from different ips so we cant block them all. It looks like it has stopped now anyway." and 6 days alter: "These attacks have not seemed to stop and in fact have gotten larger. Do you know why somone would want to attack your server? I had to null route your ips through Hurricane Electric as the attacks are now over 1Gbps. Even if I try to filter it on my switches |
| 06:28.52 | innociv | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:29.09 | innociv | And the new host is null routing all traffic to my box and wants to sell me load balancing. |
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| 06:31.01 | tsavory | somiaj I fixed that problem it was (Dependency based boot sequence errors) by adding init info that got rid of all other errors now just trying to make the service start on boot |
| 06:31.18 | gnarface | innociv: i hope you're not paying those guys more than 5$/month |
| 06:31.46 | innociv | It was $60 a month and the new one is $115 a month, that advertised protecting against UDP and TCP floods. |
| 06:32.16 | innociv | Most servers when I look around start around $100 or $150 a month. Rackspace is like $750 a month for a basic server, by comparison. |
| 06:33.25 | gnarface | and they claim they'll block UDP floods and are refusing? |
| 06:33.29 | gnarface | is that the problem? |
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| 06:34.28 | gnarface | no they are, you just want the other guys to stop so you can resume regular traffic to the box? |
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| 06:35.40 | innociv | gnarface, yeah I'm trying to find on their site where htey say that |
| 06:36.00 | innociv | And what do you mean "no they are"? |
| 06:36.34 | gnarface | innociv: well null routing/blackholing all traffic to your ip is a pretty standard way to deal with that. it should fix the bandwidth problem too, it just means you have to whitelist ip addresses specifically if you want them getting to the box, no? |
| 06:36.36 | lkthomas | guys, I am using search abc.local on resolv.conf, but how could I exclude localhost being resolve as server.abc.local ? |
| 06:37.04 | gnarface | innociv: what i'm saying is i guess that's pretty much all you can do |
| 06:37.20 | innociv | Oh. How do I whitelist all non-udp traffic? |
| 06:37.29 | innociv | and whitelist mail hosts that are reverse dns'ing? |
| 06:37.53 | gnarface | innociv: well you're going to have to work with your ISP on this one |
| 06:38.19 | innociv | as per the paste, they said I can attempt the firewall rules. |
| 06:38.27 | innociv | pastebin.com/QpQX1g6Y |
| 06:38.42 | gnarface | they're asking for YOUR help with the firewall rules? |
| 06:38.45 | gnarface | that's pretty pathetic |
| 06:39.04 | gnarface | but i already told you it would be smart to read up on tcpdump and iptables, so maybe you should |
| 06:40.04 | innociv | No they have a "custom firewall" on their cpanel type thing. Apparently I'm supposed to put stuff in their to have just good traffic coming through. I'm not really sure. |
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| 06:40.46 | innociv | from tcpdump, the attacks look like: http://pastebin.com/Ya2kvi3L |
| 06:40.52 | innociv | lots of junk UDP packets. |
| 06:41.39 | gnarface | you get that there is a finite number of ip addresses they can come from and you can collect them using this tool and add them in an automated fashion to some sort of block list, in theory, right? |
| 06:41.57 | gnarface | maybe even the one your isp provides |
| 06:42.08 | gnarface | which is probably just a cheesy php frontend to iptables |
| 06:42.29 | innociv | They could be using hundreds or thousands, still. How would I collect so many? And even if I block them, that doesn't stop the upstream form getting saturated |
| 06:42.45 | innociv | I had installed portsentry before and it was automatically denying them. |
| 06:42.59 | innociv | But that doesn't stop the network from being saturated and it being unaccesable to others. |
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| 06:44.41 | gnarface | innociv: this is why the upstream has to do the blocking. you have to get the ISP to do it for you. it seems pretty clear to me from your last paste however that they told you that too and you won't listen to them either. |
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| 06:44.50 | valdyn | innociv: talk to your isp, not us... |
| 06:45.15 | innociv | Wait what? How is it clear fro my last paste that they told me to and I'm not listening to them? |
| 06:45.40 | innociv | I did talk to them... |
| 06:46.37 | gnarface | innociv: you didn't? what's this then: pastebin.com/QpQX1g6Y they reference the the issue being related to limitations in their "Basic Protection". they're clearly upselling you on whatever it is they have that can more elegantly address this. |
| 06:46.50 | gnarface | fuck |
| 06:46.59 | gnarface | its not hard people |
| 06:47.04 | innociv | Yes. Their upsellign thing is $1000 a month |
| 06:47.16 | gnarface | so they're jerks |
| 06:47.22 | gnarface | you're gonna have to set priorities here |
| 06:47.26 | innociv | That's what I'm thinking. |
| 06:47.28 | innociv | Set them to what |
| 06:47.29 | innociv | ? |
| 06:47.38 | gnarface | i'm sure you'll figure it out |
| 06:48.04 | innociv | I contacted the old host again. |
| 06:48.11 | innociv | The reason I said something here is I wanted to know what to expect. |
| 06:48.31 | innociv | I don't or didn't know how to deal with such a thing. |
| 06:48.32 | gnarface | well what you should expect is that any competent host is gonna be able to deal with this for you, but competent != cheap |
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| 06:50.20 | innociv | $60/mo I thought is kind of cheap, but I can't afford rackspace. |
| 06:50.43 | innociv | I did ask for host recommendations earlier too, and was just referenced to a debian wiki page with a list |
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| 06:52.21 | somiaj | innociv: I know that modwest.com offeres debian vps (and deticated servers), but if you want it managed and the likes youll be paying 200+ per mo. |
| 06:52.28 | somiaj | though they have cheaper non manged options. |
| 06:52.36 | somiaj | innociv: if you wanted more recomendeations. |
| 06:53.00 | innociv | So managed means I have a support guy that'll filter traffic to my box? |
| 06:53.46 | gnarface | a good solution for high traffic public sites would be dynamic and automated |
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| 06:54.10 | gnarface | server beach is good. |
| 06:54.50 | gnarface | i don't know what they're prices on that type of stuff are like but their bandwidth is cheap |
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| 06:55.58 | somiaj | innociv: managed means you won't even be given root access because they keep an eye on security concerns |
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| 06:57.44 | innociv | Oh. weird. |
| 06:57.44 | somiaj | innociv: they do have a managed vps option for $100/mo (if you pay for a year in advanced) |
| 06:57.44 | ParkerR | somiaj, That sounds horrible. If I pay for it I would want root acces XD |
| 06:57.44 | somiaj | ParkerR: then get an unmanaged (Cheaper) one. That is for people who don't want to do the security/managing on their own |
| 06:57.44 | ParkerR | Makes sese |
| 06:57.44 | innociv | If I don't have root access, doesn't that prevent me from install/running certain software? |
| 06:57.44 | somiaj | ParkerR: if they are going to take responsability for the security of the system for obvious reasons they aren't just going to give root access. |
| 06:57.44 | ParkerR | Yeah |
| 06:57.44 | innociv | Like I run a cometd. |
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| 06:57.44 | somiaj | innociv: they work with you in cases like that, but yes, its a give take. |
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| 06:57.59 | somiaj | innociv: if something is easily installed from the debian repos they will most likely just install it for you. |
| 06:58.07 | innociv | I was also running shared hosting on the server with chroot jailed sftp users, etc. |
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| 06:58.18 | innociv | Yeah I have things that have to be built from source.. |
| 06:58.32 | somiaj | innociv: though again, you ust said you wanted a recomendation, that is one I know of that runs debian. There are plenty of other places. |
| 06:59.00 | innociv | Modwests managed server that's equivalent to what I'm paying $60 a month for now costs $580 a month. |
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| 07:00.34 | somiaj | yea their managed servers aren't cheap, they have unmanaged options..but there are many places you can get a vps at, but then you will have to be more in charge of things. |
| 07:00.51 | somiaj | anwaysy I drifted way off-topic, I was just giving a suggestion. |
| 07:01.25 | innociv | But it's not the box I need help with, it's the switch in front of the box :( |
| 07:01.53 | innociv | My server isn't being compromised, defaced. The network is simply oversaturated with udp flood. |
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| 07:07.38 | allstruck | innociv: What are you asking? I just got here |
| 07:08.51 | innociv | I was asking what I should do about my server being DDoS'd(UDP flooded, 75mbps-1gbps+). Anything I do on my firewall does nothing, as the network is still saturated. The traffic isn't compromising my system, it's just using up all the bandwidth. |
| 07:09.08 | somiaj | any nice way to list all active crontabs (across all users)? |
| 07:09.24 | innociv | I moved to one host that advertised protecting againts UDP and TCP flooding, but actually all they do is null route traffic to your box when it's attacked. |
| 07:09.47 | innociv | I emailed my last host before and they said it's too many ips for them to block, they aren't set up to be able to handle this sort of attack. |
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| 07:14.35 | allstruck | innociv: Who have your hosts been? |
| 07:15.53 | innociv | http://joesdatacenter.com/ is the one I've had for like two years prior to the attack. https://www.staminus.net is the one that advertised ddos protection and then wanted to upsell me on a load balancer. |
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| 07:17.40 | somiaj | what are they attacking, your domain name? |
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| 07:19.06 | allstruck | innociv: that is going to be typical, I use rackspace cloud servers without management so it's my job to protect, and managed levels are only going to recommend what is best |
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| 07:20.41 | chipotle | hi, i'm trying to copy over 1TB of data from one HDD from another system (so not created by my user) to a large storage disc on my computer. i keep getting error messages saying i don't have the right permissions. what is the right way to fix this? |
| 07:20.54 | allstruck | Load balancing is one route worth taking but there are other apps/scripts which might be prudent if you have unresolved issues and cant afford the cost of larger capacity. |
| 07:21.16 | innociv | somiaj, well I think they're getting the ip from the domain |
| 07:21.35 | innociv | allstruck, I manage the box myself, but the problem is that the traffic reaches my box in the first place, no? |
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| 07:21.48 | allstruck | chipotle: Have you used dd? |
| 07:21.49 | innociv | Blocking the traffic on my firewall still hasn't it saturating my NIC. |
| 07:22.22 | chipotle | allstruck: no, can you give me an example? i'm not familiar |
| 07:22.39 | allstruck | innociv: Advanced attacks may not be block able without advanced techniques to stop them... |
| 07:22.54 | allstruck | chipotle: read the docs |
| 07:23.29 | trysten | chipotle: make sure you have rw access on both source and destination but using the touch command |
| 07:23.39 | trysten | dpkg, tell trysten touch |
| 07:23.59 | trysten | dpkg, tell trysten about touch |
| 07:24.10 | innociv | I think everyone has said, and it's how I understand it as well, that blocking the traffic doesn't stop it from actually hitting your server. It's not like they're TCP attacks making PHP do something that uses up CPU, or some attack that compromises something on the server, the attacks are merely using up all my upstream. |
| 07:24.26 | chipotle | touch? |
| 07:25.04 | allstruck | innociv: a request will take up resources even if you block it |
| 07:25.23 | trysten | innociv: i'm no network expert, but have you tried talking to your host's customer service? seems like they would be obligated to help you in this situation |
| 07:25.33 | innociv | Right. |
| 07:25.42 | allstruck | This is why a load balancer or otherwise located firewall with premium resources is recommended |
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| 07:26.29 | innociv | Is there a good host that has an affordable load balancer that can handle 200,000 PPS/ 1GBPS? I can't afford $500 a month is probably the biggest issue. |
| 07:26.41 | innociv | If I had lots of money to spend on this, it wouldn't matter. I could just buy the solution.. |
| 07:26.57 | allstruck | innociv: Have you priced rackspace cloud? |
| 07:28.20 | innociv | http://pastebin.com/jgfyPx1E email from current host. They seemed to have done something that has stopped the DDoS, but roughly half of good traffic(consistently the same users) can't reach my server as well. |
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| 07:31.43 | zykotick9 | innociv: and have you considered the possibility that these "good" users might be the cause of your issue? |
| 07:32.52 | innociv | Positive they aren't. |
| 07:33.13 | innociv | Well I guess I'm not positive |
| 07:33.27 | innociv | They could have malware to be part of the attack. |
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| 07:45.15 | trysten | holy moly innociv, what have you done? |
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| 07:46.43 | innociv | lol :( |
| 07:46.51 | innociv | I did nothing. |
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| 07:48.09 | allstruck | innociv: Have you consulted #security |
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| 07:49.42 | innociv | No. |
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| 07:50.03 | innociv | I mean like I siad, others have said, there isn't really anything to be done on my box itself. It's the network. |
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| 07:50.59 | trysten | :( you might get a list of the IPs and put them on a security forum somehwere so the white-hats can get at them |
| 07:52.33 | innociv | Well long term, I thought I should do something like that |
| 07:53.13 | innociv | What is an easy way to collect the IPs, though? 150,000 PPS in a log file is a lot of lines of the same ips. |
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| 08:09.01 | kabars_edge | you can index those log files with Splunk, then extract via regex, and it has a dedup mechanism |
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| 08:27.38 | nand` | Is there some sort of utility that I can use to monitor a program's network activity? ie <somenetmon> <someprogram> and it would run that program and tell me all IPs it connects to, using which protocol, to which port and how much data it sends |
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| 08:39.10 | huglester | guys, until when the debian squeeze will be supported? |
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| 08:40.28 | lstarnes | the actual date isn't set, but if it's like the last two releases it will be exactly a year after wheezy is released |
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| 08:43.31 | sephii | i have the same kind of question: is there a date at which the lenny packages won't be available anymore on the standard mirrors? when wheezy comes out? |
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| 08:45.00 | s0urce | hi |
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| 08:45.35 | lstarnes | sephii: I think support for it was supposed to end earlier this month |
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| 08:47.00 | sephii | lstarnes: i read on wikipedia that it was supported until 2012-02-06, but there are still lenny packages on the mirrors so I wondered if these are indepenent on whether the debian version is supported or not |
| 08:47.12 | s0urce | I defined 1 wildcard subdomain an several static subdomain in my enabled-sites of apache, but it looks like my wildcard subdomain overrites one of my static subdomains, any1 knows where the problem? |
| 08:47.34 | lstarnes | sephii: I think it is, but I'm not sure |
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| 08:48.48 | Naeblis | Hi. I was looking at the Debian Google Summer of Code project ideas page, and I'm thinking about doing the clang support for build services project. It's pretty cool. Any advice on where I should start? :) |
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| 08:52.42 | huglester | sephii: around month ago, I was able to upgrade even etch systems.. so I went from etch > lenny > squeeze |
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| 08:55.40 | ParkerR | :D Sexiest GUI for alsamixer ever http://i.min.us/ib117GFCUXyPJr.png |
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| 08:56.43 | lasers | Interesting question. Anyone here have Macbook keyboard? Does it work with linux (Debian)? :o |
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| 08:59.55 | Wally | Should work fine |
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| 09:04.37 | lasers | Wally: Heh. I was going to ask in that other channel. I don't live near a big box retailer and does not want to spend my time driving on highway if it does not work. |
| 09:04.55 | Wally | :P |
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| 09:08.17 | Seb | what's aptitude's equivalent to apt-get's --yes and --force-yes |
| 09:08.18 | Seb | ? |
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| 09:27.17 | ohai___ | Can I use AppArmor in Debian? |
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| 09:29.26 | ohai___ | Any way to use upstart in Debian ? |
| 09:29.56 | jelly | ohai___: apparmor is a work in progress. http://lists.debian.org/debian-derivatives/2012/02/msg00009.html |
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| 09:31.28 | ohai___ | jelly: how long does it takes before I can install it? or do I have to wait for sid? |
| 09:31.49 | jelly | ohai___: probably a couple years |
| 09:31.54 | ohai___ | or testing |
| 09:31.55 | ohai___ | hmm |
| 09:32.02 | jelly | I'm just guessing. |
| 09:32.05 | ohai___ | Can I still install apparmor and/or upstart in debian? |
| 09:32.49 | jelly | ohai___: what use is apparmor support without application profiles? |
| 09:32.52 | nsadmin | , versions apparmor |
| 09:32.53 | judd | Package: apparmor on i386 -- sid: 2.7.0-1; wheezy: 2.7.0-1 |
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| 09:33.13 | ohai___ | Hmm |
| 09:33.14 | aetoxx | Is there a tool like gnome-disk-utility that works via a curses interface? |
| 09:33.24 | ohai___ | I'm thinking why I should use Debian over Ubuntu |
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| 09:33.35 | ohai___ | jelly: does ubuntu supports apparmor profiles? |
| 09:34.14 | nsadmin | that would be a #ubuntu question |
| 09:34.45 | jelly | ohai___: ask them. They do have a decent set of profiles. |
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| 09:35.04 | ohai___ | Is there any way to use those profiles in Debian? |
| 09:35.34 | Iridos | did you read the email jelly pointed you to? |
| 09:35.55 | ohai___ | Iridos: yes, but this will take a couple of years |
| 09:35.56 | Iridos | funny thing about it... it seems to answer the questions you ask |
| 09:36.39 | nsadmin | he might mean it will take him a coupla years to read the email... |
| 09:36.43 | jelly | reading is HARD! |
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| 09:37.01 | Iridos | ok |
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| 09:37.05 | Iridos | can we go shopping now? |
| 09:37.05 | ohai___ | lol |
| 09:37.19 | ohai___ | Iridos: nah I meant it will take a couple years to use apparmor in debian |
| 09:38.02 | Iridos | in stable... obviously |
| 09:38.04 | jelly | ohai___: that's just my guess |
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| 09:38.28 | nsadmin | , info apparmor |
| 09:38.30 | judd | No package named 'apparmor' was found in squeeze/i386. |
| 09:38.50 | nsadmin | , info apparmor --release=wheezy |
| 09:38.51 | judd | Package apparmor (admin, extra) in wheezy/i386: User-space parser utility for AppArmor. Version: 2.7.0-1; Size: 356.2k; Installed: 992k; Homepage: http://apparmor.net/ |
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| 09:39.38 | ohai___ | Can I install it in sid or something |
| 09:39.44 | ohai___ | And import the profiles from ubuntu or something? |
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| 09:40.06 | nsadmin | you could try it, and see what happens |
| 09:40.32 | nsadmin | apparantly there's an apparmor in wheezy and in sid |
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| 09:42.14 | Iridos | why do I still feel he didn't read the email? |
| 09:42.19 | jelly | ohai___: if you want to help, you now have a couple contacts. If you've read the thread, you've realized you need a custom built kernel to even start working with apparmor utilities |
| 09:42.24 | Iridos | oh, same reason as before |
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| 09:42.54 | jelly | Iridos: reading is H... I have a feeling of dĆ©jĆ vu |
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| 09:43.32 | Freejack | Does the Debian net install CD support the BCM5703X card? |
| 09:43.34 | Iridos | jelly, me, too! Perhaps we're delirious |
| 09:43.34 | nsadmin | HUMMING? |
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| 09:44.25 | smulcahy | hi |
| 09:44.44 | smulcahy | anyone know how to stop the debian installer from using a swap partition it finds on a disk during the install? |
| 09:44.51 | smulcahy | its preventing me from wiping the disk |
| 09:45.03 | jelly | Freejack: if it needs firmware to work, the answer is no |
| 09:45.05 | smulcahy | I know I can wipe partition table and reboot |
| 09:45.20 | smulcahy | but wondering if I can just tell the installer not to use swap by default |
| 09:45.39 | nsadmin | smulcahy, you can go in with the partitioner |
| 09:45.39 | jelly | Freejack: use these instead, /msg dpkg firmware images |
| 09:46.08 | smulcahy | nsadmin: yeah, but when I try to remove the swap partition it fails with a message that it is in use |
| 09:46.25 | ohai___ | Can Debian handle new hardware? |
| 09:46.27 | krion | smulcahy: try a swapoff -a on tty2 |
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| 09:46.57 | nsadmin | you don't remove it, you assert it is not to be used |
| 09:47.01 | jelly | smulcahy: swapoff it from the shell? |
| 09:47.17 | nsadmin | ohai___, no, the kernel handles hardware |
| 09:47.28 | smulcahy | krion: just tried swapoff -a with no joy |
| 09:47.46 | Freejack | jelly: Thanks. |
| 09:48.13 | ohai___ | nsadmin: yes, but I mean software |
| 09:48.23 | smulcahy | jelly: thanks, tried that but doesn't seem to work |
| 09:48.34 | Freejack | jelly: Is that a regular installation CD or is that meant to be used WITH a regular install CD? |
| 09:48.37 | smulcahy | free still lists the swap as allocated and still get the in-use error |
| 09:48.59 | nsadmin | ohai___, what hardware are you asking about specifically? |
| 09:49.41 | jelly | Freejack: it's a(n ir)regular bootable netinst |
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| 09:50.12 | jelly | smulcahy: how does it fail? |
| 09:50.38 | Freejack | Gotcha. Thanks again. |
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| 09:51.44 | ohai___ | nsadmin: intel i7 2600 |
| 09:51.47 | ohai___ | a lot of ram |
| 09:51.53 | ohai___ | 2 hdd's and 2 ssd's |
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| 09:52.39 | nsadmin | try installing using amd64 netinstall |
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| 09:53.08 | smulcahy | jelly: swapoff runs without error but partition is still reported as in use |
| 09:53.34 | smulcahy | ah |
| 09:53.37 | ohai___ | Does init.d does the same as Ubuntu ? |
| 09:53.38 | smulcahy | if I run swapoff |
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| 09:53.41 | ohai___ | Does init.d does the same as Upstart ? |
| 09:53.44 | smulcahy | then mark the partition as do not use |
| 09:53.50 | ohai___ | nsadmin: why netinstall? |
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| 09:53.55 | smulcahy | then it looks like I can delete the underlying md device |
| 09:54.10 | smulcahy | be nice if it just didn't grab the swap unless the machine was very memory limited |
| 09:54.30 | nsadmin | ohai___, it's less to download than a cd image |
| 09:54.37 | krion | smulcahy: i have trouble too with debian installer and md device, with pxe booting |
| 09:54.37 | smulcahy | anyway, thanks guys |
| 09:54.54 | krion | smulcahy: it doesn't detect my disk, i have to zero the mbr |
| 09:55.09 | smulcahy | krion: wierd - I haven't seen that before |
| 09:55.14 | ohai___ | nsadmin: how fast are the mirrors? |
| 09:55.20 | smulcahy | krion: driver issue? |
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| 09:55.29 | krion | wait, my coworker found a bug report iirc |
| 09:55.36 | nsadmin | 42 miles per hour |
| 09:55.39 | ohai___ | nsadmin: and how big is the netinstall image? |
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| 09:55.44 | nsadmin | I don't know! that depends |
| 09:55.50 | ohai___ | nsadmin: nah, I mean 10 mbps? or 100 mbps? (megabit) |
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| 09:55.52 | nsadmin | about 180 mb |
| 09:56.05 | Iridos | smulcahy, I haven't seen an installer grab existing swap before the partition step |
| 09:56.15 | smulcahy | Iridos: I see it everytime |
| 09:56.16 | nsadmin | size of netinstall |
| 09:56.21 | krion | smulcahy: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=644876 |
| 09:56.47 | krion | smulcahy: looks like my problem is somehow related to this bug report |
| 09:56.49 | smulcahy | krion: ah, usb .... :) |
| 09:57.02 | krion | without usb too :) |
| 09:57.41 | nsadmin | ohai___, what is the purpose of the machine to be installed onto? |
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| 09:59.01 | ohai___ | nsadmin: some gameservers, webserver, mysql server, mailserver, and maybe some VPS systems |
| 09:59.26 | nsadmin | so, remote servers |
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| 09:59.55 | ohai___ | nsadmin: ye in datacenter |
| 10:01.13 | nsadmin | for most of these you will need static IP, and for the mail and maybe web server, you will want to run a caching dns |
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| 10:02.03 | joar | does anyone know of any plans of apache 2.4 for Debian? |
| 10:02.25 | jelly | !sns |
| 10:02.25 | dpkg | Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>. |
| 10:03.37 | ohai___ | nsadmin: datacenter gives me static ip |
| 10:03.52 | ohai___ | nsadmin: I only need to make a decision if I will use Debian or Ubuntu |
| 10:04.06 | jelly | joar: also, the mailing list: http://lists.debian.org/debian-apache/ |
| 10:04.09 | joar | jelly: well, we were prepared for that, weren't we :) |
| 10:04.19 | nsadmin | seems to me stability is your primary need |
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| 10:05.38 | abec0 | ohai___: ask here and in #ubuntu to get all possible advice ;-). |
| 10:05.39 | jelly | ohai___: use whatever you're more comfortable and experienced with. Debian and Ubuntu LTS ought to be comparable in features |
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| 10:06.27 | abec0 | !ssb |
| 10:06.28 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
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| 10:06.37 | nsadmin | all possible advice is "yes", "no", "42" |
| 10:06.53 | smulcahy | hehe, shiny new shit syndrome .. I like that |
| 10:07.04 | abec0 | But is there a #42 ? |
| 10:07.22 | nsadmin | there's a level 42 |
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| 10:19.29 | sephii | i'm writing a shell script that uses ssh to execute a command on the remote host, but each time I call the ssh command it displays the banner. is there a way to disable this? i thied the quiet option and stdout redirect without success |
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| 10:20.47 | sephii | nevermind, it was another command that was displaying it |
| 10:21.10 | johndescs | sephii: yeah just tried here and got nothingā¦ |
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| 10:22.34 | sephii | it's rsync that's causing the motd to appear, and --no-motd doesn't seem to do anything |
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| 10:23.30 | Mephisto | hi |
| 10:23.53 | Mephisto | what kinda utility can convert photo text into real text? |
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| 10:24.24 | sephii | Mephisto: apt-cache search ocr ? |
| 10:24.24 | petemc | gocr? |
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| 10:24.34 | Mephisto | ok.. thanks.. |
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| 10:31.24 | notau | Mephisto: android can do it |
| 10:31.33 | Mephisto | notau, well i don't have any android |
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| 10:31.43 | gnarface | Mephisto: tesseract-ocr looks promising |
| 10:31.46 | notau | haha I mean, maybe they use somethin |
| 10:31.47 | gnarface | ,versions tesseract-ocr |
| 10:31.48 | judd | Package: tesseract-ocr on i386 -- lenny: 2.03-2+lenny1; squeeze: 2.04-2+squeeze1; sid: 3.02.01-2; wheezy: 3.02.01-2 |
| 10:32.16 | notau | ,versions nginx |
| 10:32.17 | judd | Package: nginx on i386 -- lenny: 0.6.32-3+lenny3; lenny-security: 0.6.32-3+lenny3; lenny-backports: 0.7.67-3~bpo50+1; squeeze: 0.7.67-3+squeeze1; squeeze-backports: 1.1.14-1~bpo60+1; sid: 1.1.14-1; wheezy: 1.1.14-1 |
| 10:32.40 | Mephisto | gnarface, yeah, saw it.. thanks |
| 10:33.35 | gnarface | Mephisto: that's the one that has been "improved extensively" by code contribution from Google, so that's the one i'd try first for any bulk copying of dead-tree volumes for posterity |
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| 10:37.08 | johey | I'm making a debian package, having Pre-Depends: openoffice.org (>= 3.2.0) .. However, as 2.4.1 of openoffice.org is installed, my package can be installed without complaining of the version of openoffice.org. How comes it doesn't break? |
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| 10:38.04 | gnarface | should buy a scanner |
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| 10:45.39 | Mephisto | there's no russian language in either of those |
| 10:45.43 | Mephisto | so.. useless unfortunetally. |
| 10:45.47 | Mephisto | unfortunately |
| 10:46.06 | guardian | in debian testing, i'm using gnome terminal 3 ā how come TERM is set to xterm and not xterm-256color? |
| 10:46.48 | gnarface | Mephisto: there's not? tesseract-ocr-rus - tesseract-ocr language files for Russian |
| 10:46.54 | ksk | guardian: this can be set at many places |
| 10:47.04 | gnarface | dumbass |
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| 10:47.26 | guardian | ksk: i expected a fresh install to get this "right" :) |
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| 10:47.38 | ksk | whats wrong about xterm? |
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| 10:48.16 | guardian | maybe i misunderstood things, i thought TERM had to be xterm-256color so others apps like vim or tmux use 256 colors |
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| 10:49.03 | guardian | ah crap didn't see what time it is, got to go :/ i'll read answers (if any) later if you don't mind |
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| 10:50.01 | ksk | guardian: i never changed it from xterm to anything, but vim and stuff works with colors |
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| 10:50.29 | Iridos | I just tried vi(m) /etc/apt/sources.list with term=xterm and term=xterm-256color |
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| 10:50.46 | colo-work | ksk, that's because xterm can do ANSI colours, but only 16 at a time. |
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| 10:51.05 | colo-work | having 256 available does have its benefits for syntax highlightning et al. |
| 10:51.12 | Iridos | and what's fat-yellow (or other colors) with term=xterm, becomse a yellow of a (for me) not distinguisahble color with xterm-256color |
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| 10:51.34 | Iridos | so I doubt the usefulness of that setting, and probably so did someone else :) |
| 10:51.41 | Iridos | guardian, ^^^ |
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| 10:52.14 | rethus | i try to install subversion on a lean debian 6 system, ut got broken dependencies for libneo27 |
| 10:52.22 | rethus | any idea, what the problem could be? |
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| 10:55.03 | tensorpudding | rethus, do you have libneon27 installed |
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| 11:10.31 | Shapeshifter | Hi. I wanted to install nagios and a guide said I should do apt-get install nagios*. In hindsight that was not such a good idea as it installed all sorts of crap. I proceeded to apt-get remove nagios*; apt-get autoremove and then I wanted to apt-get install nagios3* which is a much more proper subset of packages. Problem was, it didn't ask me to set the passwords this time, so - this is where I screwed up - I proceeded to remove ... |
| 11:10.37 | Shapeshifter | ... everything again (incl. apache2) and then doing rm -R /etc/nagios* /etc/apache2. Now that I wanted to reinstall these things, I got a bunch of errors, the nagios install script wouldn't install everything (i.e. "Not replacing deleted config file /etc/nagios-plugins/config/dhcp.cfg") and now I can't even do pretty much anything anymore because there's one package, "gosa", which can't be removed anymore, nor installed. "The ... |
| 11:10.43 | Shapeshifter | ... following packages will be REMOVED: gosa ... .: 51: Can't open /etc/apache2/envvars ... invoke-rc.d: initscript apache2, action "restart" failed. ... dpkg: error processing gosa (--remove): ... E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)" and this is where I'm stuck. |
| 11:11.03 | Iridos | guardian, hmm, you might look at some of those bugs, there's probably the reason hidden somewhere in there: http://www.google.com/search?q=site:bugs.debian.org+xterm-256color&hl=en |
| 11:12.11 | Iridos | guardian, starting what is the hit #1 for me http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=532537 |
| 11:12.17 | Shapeshifter | I think I need to reinstall apache2 for this to work, but I can't because it wants to remove gosa first, which it can't without apache2 being installed. |
| 11:12.43 | Shapeshifter | So the question is, how can I install --reinstall apache2 without apt wanting to REMOVE gosa first? |
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| 11:13.35 | dwfreed | Shapeshifter: apt-get purge nagios* |
| 11:13.57 | dwfreed | Shapeshifter: and purge apache2 as well |
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| 11:14.26 | Shapeshifter | dwfreed: http://pastie.org/3444435 still can't get past removing gosa. |
| 11:14.42 | Iridos | guardian, (which also explains why setting TERM to that is not a good idea) |
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| 11:15.08 | dwfreed | Shapeshifter: so purge apache2 first, or touch that file |
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| 11:16.46 | Shapeshifter | dwfreed: no dice, it needs whatever was in that file before I deleted it. If I just touch it it goes on with things like "ERROR: APACHE_PID_FILE needs to be defined in /etc/apache2/envvars". This is why I thought I need to reinstall apache. |
| 11:17.21 | dwfreed | Shapeshifter: okay, try reinstalling apache, and then purge nagios |
| 11:17.32 | Knaldgas | Suggestions for a good network manager that supports Wired, WLAN, and WWAN? It has to support profiles (setting up multiple interfaces) |
| 11:18.13 | Shapeshifter | dwfreed: that is the problem, I can't apt-get install --reinstall apache2 because it wants to remove gosa when I do that. ("The following packages will be REMOVED: gosa, The following NEW packages will be installed: apache2") |
| 11:18.30 | Iridos | dpkg, confmiss |
| 11:18.30 | dpkg | You have to especially tell the packaging system to reinstall config files because when they are gone, it is assumed that you want them to stay deleted. "aptitude -o DPkg::Options::='--force-confmiss' reinstall $packagename" will restore them (man dpkg for details). If the package uses <ucf> for config file management, ask me about <ucf confmiss>. |
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| 11:19.27 | Knaldgas | E.g. A profile: "DevelAtHome" would set-up WLAN to my in-house network, and set-up eth0 with DHCP/BOOTP server for working with other equipment over wired. |
| 11:20.07 | Knaldgas | It looks like netcfg will do this, but Debian doesn't seem to encourage netcfg... |
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| 11:20.53 | bool | is there a reason why debian defaults to ext3 and not ext4? |
| 11:21.09 | Iridos | Shapeshifter, ^^^ that's the root of your probalme and what you should have done... now dpkg --purge <package> should also remove any traces of configuration for <package> ... which you were suggested to do |
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| 11:21.17 | Knaldgas | bool: Wheezy defaults to ext4 |
| 11:21.45 | bool | would it be safe to use ext4 in the stable version? |
| 11:21.59 | Iridos | Shapeshifter, obviously you removed more than just simply configuration, so one of the {pre,post}{install,rm} scripts failed... |
| 11:22.11 | Iridos | dpkg, tell Shapeshifter about postinstall |
| 11:22.49 | Shapeshifter | Iridos: but can't I overwrite/reinstall all of these packages to get the whole file structure back to vanilla? |
| 11:23.02 | Knaldgas | Without knowing, I would go for ext4 on Squeeze myself: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=60928 |
| 11:23.07 | Shapeshifter | Iridos: why do I _have_ to remove gosa to install apache2? |
| 11:23.32 | Iridos | I never even heard of "gosa" before |
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| 11:24.00 | bool | thanks, going for ext4 then |
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| 11:24.06 | Iridos | Shapeshifter, it's a web-interface that apt wants to remove if you remove apache |
| 11:24.20 | Shapeshifter | Iridos: I don't know what it is. But apt-get/aptitude want to remove it before doing anything else. Can't I tell it to ignore the packages staged for removal and just go on installing whatever it should install? |
| 11:24.41 | Shapeshifter | Iridos: but I don't even want to remove apache, I want to reinstall it :) |
| 11:24.41 | Iridos | Shapeshifter, you can do dpkg --purge <packagename> on single packages ... dpkg will warn you about dependencies, but that can be overruled (see man dpkg) |
| 11:25.12 | Iridos | but you told apt to remove nagios* |
| 11:25.21 | Shapeshifter | Iridos: but that's not the problem. I _can't_ purge gosa because apache isn't installed properly. So I need to _install_ apache2, not purge anything. |
| 11:26.06 | Shapeshifter | but apt won't reinstall apache because it wants to remove gosa _first_ which fails and then nothing gets installed. |
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| 11:26.19 | Iridos | you're going in circles! |
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| 11:26.37 | mah454 | I have a big problem with Xorg in debian Wheezy ... |
| 11:26.38 | Iridos | decide on one solution, then fix the things needed to carry it through |
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| 11:27.05 | mah454 | this version make very Xorg log in /var/log (680 files) |
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| 11:27.30 | Iridos | Shapeshifter, you have a pm from dpkg that tells you how to fix the prerm problem you have |
| 11:27.31 | mah454 | this is a xorg.0.log : http://pastebin.com/ApG7B7xD |
| 11:27.40 | mah454 | what is problem ? |
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| 11:28.46 | Iridos | OR you could just try purging apache with dpkg --purge --force-depends <package> and then install apache again |
| 11:29.49 | Shapeshifter | Iridos: okay thanks. I think editing the postinst/postrm scripts worked |
| 11:29.57 | Iridos | Shapeshifter, read the two factoids (confmiss and postinstall) - when you understand what went wrong in the first place and how you managed to go from bad to worse, the solution is quite obvious |
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| 11:31.13 | Iridos | (or "any of a lot of possible solutions") |
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| 11:32.26 | kate123 | hey i've got a beaglebone rev4 and my ethernet doesn't work. i remove the r219 but with my debian demo the ethernet dosen't work either what can i do now |
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| 11:34.50 | Iridos | bool, I thought the installer offers ext4, it's just not the default, because ext4 was rather new and there were some serious bugs around when squeeze was released |
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| 11:35.22 | bool | yeah. squeeze supports ext4, it only defaults to ext3 |
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| 11:36.45 | staropram | Why does it default to ext4, is it just taking a conservative position? |
| 11:37.31 | Iridos | mah454, you didn't even say what the problem is. The logfile doesn't seem unusual. Also note topic. You did check bugs.debian.org/xorg ? |
| 11:38.31 | Shapeshifter | ... |
| 11:38.39 | Shapeshifter | why does purging apache2 install lighttpd? |
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| 11:39.19 | Iridos | Shapeshifter, it doesn't if you use dpkg to do it |
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| 11:39.51 | Iridos | Shapeshifter, aptitude why lighthttpd |
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| 11:40.24 | bool | do someone remember what each number next to the disk was? eg. SCSI1 (0,0,0) (sda) |
| 11:41.03 | aetoxx_ | How can I create a treemap of the file usage on a file system without X? |
| 11:41.13 | Shapeshifter | Iridos: so I did dpkg --purge apache2 but there's still a lot of stuff in /etc/apache2. Can I find out why there still are things in there? |
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| 11:41.15 | Iridos | staropram, e.g. http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=605009 - mind, squeeze was already frozen at that time |
| 11:41.54 | Iridos | Shapeshifter, depends - if they belong to a package: yes. If they were made by some install script, I wouldn't know how |
| 11:42.03 | Iridos | dpkg, tell Shapeshifter about dlocate |
| 11:42.40 | Iridos | or of course plain (slow) dpkg -S |
| 11:42.55 | Iridos | dpkg, squeeze |
| 11:42.55 | dpkg | Squeeze is the codename for the current <stable> release, Debian 6.0, released on 2011-02-06: http://www.debian.org/News/2011/20110205a . Squeeze is the three-eyed space alien. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSqueeze and ask me about <install squeeze> <release notes> <lenny->squeeze>. Currently <6.0.4>. The Debian release is not to be confused with the <Xfce> archive manager. |
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| 11:43.44 | Iridos | staropram, squeeze was released February 2011 - so testing was frozen (i.e. no new features went into testing) for about half a year before that |
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| 11:48.37 | Shapeshifter | Iridos: no avail. this is frustrating. E.g. there's a package nagiosgrapher, during installation, it says "Not replacing deleted config file /etc/nagiosgrapher/ngraph.d/standard/check_nagios.ncfg" for several config files. It does this even after doing dpkg --purge nagiosgrapher. |
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| 11:49.14 | Iridos | gah, network |
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| 11:54.14 | staropram | Iridos: thanks, that's interesting to know |
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| 11:57.48 | jandro | Hi. I'm using php5-cgi to handle php's in my server. I noticed that after a dist-upgrade the metapackage php5 upgraded installing the default libapache2-mod-php5. Shouldn't the installer be able to identify that I'm using php5-cgi and only update the other packages within the metapackage requiring upgrading? cheers |
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| 11:59.32 | jelly | jandro: it should, but aptitude sometimes gets the alternative dependencies wrong/suboptimal |
| 12:00.00 | jandro | jelly: i used apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 12:00.02 | jelly | apt-get is a little bit better but also fails to do the Right Thing |
| 12:00.17 | jelly | sometimes. Sometimes it's hard to guess what the right thing even is. |
| 12:02.36 | jandro | tahnks jelly |
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| 12:03.40 | Iridos | the Right Thing is to give me a coffee |
| 12:03.47 | Iridos | coffee|beer |
| 12:03.48 | Iridos | mmh |
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| 12:05.34 | ANTO | !list |
| 12:05.42 | ANTO | ciao a tt |
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| 12:06.17 | Iridos | dpkg! |
| 12:06.28 | Iridos | you were dearly missed by italia |
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| 12:09.45 | bolt | !botsnack |
| 12:09.45 | dpkg | aw, gee, bolt |
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| 12:16.41 | bolt | !sing sussudio |
| 12:16.42 | dpkg | sings "Su, su, sudio...Su, su, sussudio" |
| 12:17.38 | abrotman | bolt: please don't |
| 12:17.45 | bolt | sorry |
| 12:18.07 | abrotman | if 500 people start playing with the bots, turns into mayhem :) |
| 12:18.21 | bolt | i know :/ |
| 12:18.28 | abrotman | bolt: besides .. the real fun is in "/msg dpkg qotd0" |
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| 12:18.47 | bolt | :) |
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| 12:19.06 | abrotman | or 'flw' |
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| 12:24.43 | xeviox | any idea why I can't load scripts from include_path in another php script. Config is Nginx -> php-fpm (used from dotdeb.org) |
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| 12:36.45 | spal | The 'last' command on Debian doesn't show the 'reboot' pseudo-user. Anyway to see it? |
| 12:37.41 | waldvogel | hmm, i have an entry like that in /etc/crontab: * */3 * * * root /root/bin/backup |
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| 12:37.56 | waldvogel | and it runs every minute... any idea why that could be? |
| 12:38.08 | petemc | spal: it shows it here |
| 12:38.43 | spal | petemc, very strange. It shows me the 'reboot' pseudo-user for one system and not for another. |
| 12:38.58 | spal | it shows in testing system, not in the stable version system. |
| 12:39.06 | petemc | have you rebooted since feb 1st ? |
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| 12:41.45 | spal | petemc, no, I haven't. |
| 12:42.00 | spal | petemc, why do I need to reboot since feb 1? |
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| 12:42.19 | petemc | spal: when you run last, it tells you when the log file begind |
| 12:42.21 | petemc | begins |
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| 12:43.53 | spal | okay |
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| 12:44.26 | spal | reboot system boot 3.1.0-1-amd64 Thu Feb 9 03:29 - 18:14 (15+14:44) <-- what does this mean? |
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| 12:44.46 | spal | The system ran for 15 days 14 hours 44 minutes from Feb 9 to Feb 24? |
| 12:44.55 | spal | or from January some date to Feb 9? |
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| 12:51.51 | iaj | Hi there.. is there some postfix guru here - I want to have a blacklist in a file which domains then won't receive ANY mail at all? Is there a way to do so? |
| 12:52.07 | spal | http://pastebin.com/HZZREfz6 - I don't understand why I have got three reboot uptimes ending on Feb 24 same time? |
| 12:52.34 | spal | If a reboot happened on Feb 9, then how can I have a reboot session from Feb 8 - Feb 24? |
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| 12:56.48 | diabel | Hello, I've got problem, I've none of logs at system boot, is that the reason (for example) : ./hostapd: start-stop-daemon --start --oknodo --quiet --exec "$DAEMON_SBIN" \ |
| 12:57.05 | diabel | it's the because param --quiet ? how to swtich it off? |
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| 12:58.50 | simonlnu | no, it's not because of the --quiet |
| 12:59.06 | simonlnu | the system logger is probably rsyslog |
| 12:59.33 | simonlnu | try restarting it. then check syslog to see why. or just try restarting it, and watch for errors |
| 13:00.01 | jetscreamer | waves hi & bye @ simonlnu |
| 13:00.21 | simonlnu | hi jetscreamer see ya |
| 13:00.45 | jetscreamer | :) |
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| 13:06.05 | guardian | Iridos: thx for the replies aboiut xterm and 256 colors |
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| 13:12.06 | guardian | Iridos: so if i want my desktop session's gnome terminal to use 256 colorsā¦ it's not a good idea to set TERM=xterm-256color in my bashrc? |
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| 13:14.24 | guardian | and according to http://invisible-island.net/ncurses/ncurses.faq.html#xterm_generic settingTERM to xterm as debian does is a bad idea |
| 13:14.26 | guardian | i'm kinda lost |
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| 13:18.34 | Iridos | guardian, just do it :) But as the submitter in the bugreport pointed out he wouldn't have liked a TERM like that, as he was sshing into hosts that didn't recognize that |
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| 13:19.52 | tsavory | somiaj you here? |
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| 13:21.32 | guardian | Iridos: what I want is, when i'l using X11 and gnome-terminal I want to use 256 colors, and when I ssh into the box, i want TERM to be set by the box from which I'm connecting. so for example Mac's Terminal.app sets TERM to xterm-color and Mac's iTerm2.app sets it to xterm-256color |
| 13:22.08 | guardian | Iridos: in other words, i'm into learning the proper way to configure that since I don't know shit about it; instead of just luring myself into believing putting that in my .bashrc is the best thing to do |
| 13:22.29 | johey | Anyone into .deb package building? |
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| 13:24.35 | sephii | johey: just ask your question, someone will probably have an answer |
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| 13:26.01 | tsavory | I am trying to get noip2 inti script working I have read http://siripong-computer-tips.blogspot.com/2012/01/run-noip-duc-automatically-when-debian.html but when I run insserv noip2 I get an error about insserv: warning: current start runlevel(s) (empty) of script `noip2' overwrites defaults (2 3 4 5). insserv: warning: current stop runlevel(s) (0) of script `noip2' overwrites defaults (0 1... |
| 13:26.02 | tsavory | ...6). any ideas? what I can do to fix this . somiaj asked does it have correct LSB headers. |
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| 13:26.04 | tsavory | I think so they look like this |
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| 13:26.28 | johey | sephii: I already did. :) But I'll do it again. |
| 13:26.31 | johey | I'm making a debian package, having Pre-Depends: openoffice.org (>= 3.2.0) .. However, as 2.4.1 of openoffice.org is installed, my package can be installed without complaining of the version of openoffice.org. How comes it doesn't break? |
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| 13:28.00 | koisoke | what is the equivalent of xlock nowadays |
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| 13:28.44 | gnarface | still uses xclock |
| 13:28.51 | sephii | koisoke: xscreensaver? |
| 13:28.58 | tsavory | ### BEGIN INIT INFO ># Provides: noip2 # Required-Start: # Required-Stop: # Should-Start: # Should-Stop: # Default-Start: 2 3 4 5 # Default-Stop: 0 1 6 # Short-Description: Start and stop directadmin # Description: DirectAdmin ### END INIT INFO each single # is at a new line |
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| 13:29.08 | gnarface | oh xlock not xclock |
| 13:29.28 | sephii | i was using xlockmore some time ago but it's been removed iirc |
| 13:29.47 | gnarface | xscreensaver is a pain in the ass |
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| 13:30.54 | nsadmin | gnarface, that init system has a makefile? |
| 13:31.34 | koisoke | sephii: thanks |
| 13:31.51 | nsadmin | or how do you make changes to the boot order once you make changes? |
| 13:31.52 | sephii | gnarface: indeed, but i never found another lightweight screen locker. if you know one i'm interested |
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| 13:32.39 | nsadmin | how do you "commit" the changes, that is |
| 13:32.45 | fasta | How do I install the GCC info pages? |
| 13:33.02 | themill | dpkg: tell fasta about gcc-doc |
| 13:33.03 | nsadmin | they would be in non-free |
| 13:33.10 | gnarface | nsadmin: i forget. |
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| 13:33.23 | rotaticus | [A |
| 13:33.30 | fasta | themill: and how do I make them appear in emacs? |
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| 13:33.53 | fasta | E.g. some kind of 'refresh info' command. |
| 13:34.15 | nsadmin | emacs has an info client... perhaps easier just to install the info program and run it |
| 13:34.20 | nsadmin | it's lightweight |
| 13:34.45 | gnarface | M-x info |
| 13:34.53 | gnarface | in emacs |
| 13:35.45 | fasta | gnarface: gcc is not listed then. |
| 13:35.56 | fasta | gnarface: info gcc on the command line does work |
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| 13:40.13 | gnarface | fasta: install-info maybe? |
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| 13:43.32 | fasta | gnarface: I have never needed to do that and I also don't see how it would relate to Emacs. |
| 13:44.06 | koisoke | eh? I need to start the screensaver daemon in order to lock my screen with xscreensaver? |
| 13:44.26 | gnarface | fasta: info pages exist outside of emacs. emacs merely has a convenient info browser |
| 13:44.35 | fasta | gnarface: I know that. |
| 13:44.43 | fasta | gnarface: I also said that info gcc from the command line did work. |
| 13:44.53 | fasta | gnarface: those two together should explain my response. |
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| 13:45.31 | gnarface | fasta: the info index on your system may not merely be wrong in emacs |
| 13:45.54 | fasta | gnarface: again, emacs does not show the gcc entry. |
| 13:46.14 | gnarface | fasta: i understand that you've said it several times now |
| 13:46.48 | fasta | gnarface: ginstallinfo only takes individual files too. |
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| 13:48.11 | deathtje | hey small question is there a alternative to gdm that allows me to do the login from a command line type tool ( as to prevent Xorg from running as root ever ) ( i'm trying to limit the root processes to the absolute minimal ) |
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| 13:50.15 | mjt | hm. i noticed that libc6 2.11.3-3, which is currently in squeeze-updates, is not installed automatically by apt-get dist-upgrade. Why? |
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| 13:52.56 | mjt | when explicitly using -t squeeze-updates it gets installed. |
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| 13:58.06 | fasta | I would like to have a command which given a package name returns the exact URL for the tag.gz from which the package was originally built (so , upstream). |
| 13:58.33 | fasta | I am not interested in any deb-src package. |
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| 14:04.10 | babilen | fasta: You are looking for orig.tar.gz -- You can download that (along with the rest needed to build the Debian package) with, for example, "apt-get source PKG" |
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| 14:04.40 | fasta | babilen: does it contain the URL? |
| 14:04.55 | babilen | fasta: No, it will download the orig.tar.gz |
| 14:04.55 | fasta | babilen: because I couldn't care less about the actual tar.gz. |
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| 14:05.15 | fasta | babilen: I want to know who really is upstream, such that I can install a newer version from source. |
| 14:05.27 | fasta | babilen: and I don't want to hunt for this information, I just want to have one command. |
| 14:05.27 | babilen | fasta: You can probably scrape http://packages.debian.org for links (or easily construct them) |
| 14:05.41 | fasta | babilen: I think last time there was no upstream link. |
| 14:05.58 | fasta | babilen: at least not something which was there every single time; it seems reasonable to have such information somewhere. |
| 14:06.03 | tsavory | I ran ln -s ../init.d/noip2 S95noip2 how would I undo that |
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| 14:07.23 | babilen | fasta: There is, you are looking for the orig.tar.?? -- Example for mutt: http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/mutt has a link "[mutt_1.5.20.orig.tar.gz]" to http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/m/mutt/mutt_1.5.20.orig.tar.gz |
| 14:08.02 | fasta | babilen: no, I want to know who is upstream. |
| 14:08.04 | babilen | fasta: What do you need the URL for? There might be a better way, but I can't think of one right now. Maybe just check the apt-get code for the "source" command |
| 14:08.37 | balzac5000 | Can anyone shed some like on this SysV error I'm getting in a Lennt-to-Sqeeze upgrade? http://imagebin.org/200565 |
| 14:08.39 | fasta | babilen: lots of packages have GNU as upstream, but I don't know where every little tiny package or command comes from. |
| 14:09.09 | babilen | fasta: As in, for example, the Homepage of that project? Or what constitutes the entity "upstream" in your understanding here? What are valid references and what are not? |
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| 14:09.43 | balzac5000 | Ooop - just found this link http://wiki.debian.org/LSBInitScripts/DependencyBasedBoot |
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| 14:09.59 | fasta | babilen: a valid reference for the gcc command would be ftp://<whatever at gnu.org>/dist/gcc-4.6.tar.gz |
| 14:10.27 | fasta | babilen: so the original URL imported by a Debian maintainer. |
| 14:10.40 | babilen | balzac5000: You have a couple of scripts that miss LSB headers -- These might be locally maintained scripts (as in: You've written them yourselves) or those installed from now removed but not purged packages. |
| 14:10.51 | babilen | !tell balzac5000 about lsb headers |
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| 14:11.38 | babilen | balzac5000: For the latter case you can just purge all removed but not purged packages (i.e. those that still have configuration files installed) with "aptitude purge ~c" -- Make sure that you are not removing any important configuration here though. |
| 14:11.40 | fasta | babilen: it answers the basic question 'where did you get this stuff'? |
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| 14:11.50 | balzac5000 | babilen: I appreciate the response! These aren't scripts I modified or created. And I've done a aptitude purge '~c' |
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| 14:12.23 | babilen | balzac5000: I also find the error message to be particularly helpful and clear. Have you read the referenced wiki page yet and checked which of these scripts are indeed locally maintained? |
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| 14:12.51 | babilen | fasta: Take a look at the watch file in the Debian source package. |
| 14:13.04 | steampunkey | what's up with this (apt-get update): "Cannot initiate the connection to ftp.hr.debian.org:80 (2001:b68:ff:1::11). - connect (101: Network is unreachable) [IP: 2001:b68:ff:1::11 80]" |
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| 14:13.19 | balzac5000 | They are not locally maintained and I've purged the packaged that originally appeared in the first appearance of this error, which was more specific |
| 14:13.37 | babilen | balzac5000: Ok, great. Does that solve the issue? |
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| 14:13.59 | balzac5000 | No, I posted my screen cap after trying all this. |
| 14:14.13 | balzac5000 | The messages there are where I'm presently stuck in the upgrade |
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| 14:14.49 | babilen | balzac5000: You already purged previously removed packages and those scripts still persist to be problematic? |
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| 14:15.22 | steampunkey | nvm, i guess someone fixed it? |
| 14:15.24 | balzac5000 | I did "apt-get autoremove" and "aptitude purge '~c'" (because I used to use aptitude exclusively) |
| 14:15.42 | balzac5000 | and Yes, I still get the errors I posted in the screen cap. |
| 14:15.48 | balzac5000 | Sorry I'm not being clear. |
| 14:15.48 | babilen | balzac5000: And when you run "dpkg-reconfigure sysv-rc" you get the same error? |
| 14:15.54 | balzac5000 | Correct. |
| 14:15.58 | babilen | balzac5000: Ok, I just wanted to verify that. |
| 14:16.02 | balzac5000 | No worries! |
| 14:16.11 | balzac5000 | I'm grateful for your time! |
| 14:16.21 | jarray52 | Shortly after loading the kernel, I get the error message ata1: SRST failed (errno=-16) four times. Is this a kernel error? Or, a hardware problem? |
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| 14:16.42 | ksk | hey. i want to mount a 22T xfs volume using 32bit squeeze, but mount says: "file too large" - do i need 64bit for that? :x |
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| 14:17.00 | balzac5000 | babilen: I also made sure to install libdevmapper1.02.1 |
| 14:17.33 | babilen | balzac5000: That means that we have to actually investigate these scripts in order. I guess that "local" and "iptables" *are* locally maintained or at least legacy scripts. I am not entirely sure why sysklogd is misbheving, but you might want to upgrade sysklogd to the version in squeeze. |
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| 14:18.18 | abrotman | ksk: it's a 64b filesystem generally .. but yes, on 32bit, 16TB is the limit |
| 14:18.21 | balzac5000 | Ah, didn't think about the possibility of a legacy script. I do remember the old /etc/init.d/iptables thing. |
| 14:18.32 | balzac5000 | So I need to research each with a dpkg-query -W -f='${Conffiles}\n' packagename | grep obsolete ? |
| 14:18.44 | originals | when i try to restart samba i get: start-stop-daemon: not found |
| 14:18.46 | ksk | abrotman: ah okay. thanks :) |
| 14:19.01 | originals | does anyone have an idea whats wrong here |
| 14:19.19 | nsadmin | originals, not running debian? |
| 14:19.36 | babilen | balzac5000: So, what I would do right now is: Paste the output of "ls -l /etc/init.d/" along with the actual scripts (local, iptables, ossec, klogd, ..) along with the output of "dpkg -S /etc/init.d/$THE_SCRIPT" to http://paste.debian.net -- That should give us an overview what these might be and which packages they come from. |
| 14:19.39 | nsadmin | oh, or you're not running it as root |
| 14:19.59 | originals | xD thanks |
| 14:20.07 | originals | im so stupid |
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| 14:20.34 | nsadmin | don't say that to yourself... you can make yourself stupid by doing so |
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| 14:20.52 | balzac5000 | babilen: http://paste.debian.net/157425/ |
| 14:21.00 | babilen | balzac5000: As always: The more information you can provide the better -- In my experience it was always enough to just "aptitude purge ~c" but your system seems to be pesky and needs a bit more love :) |
| 14:21.08 | babilen | balzac5000: Thanks -- lets see if that helps |
| 14:21.11 | balzac5000 | I'll put on some Barry White |
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| 14:22.25 | balzac5000 | Ah - /etc/init.d/local *is* locall maintained: http://paste.debian.net/157426/ |
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| 14:23.12 | babilen | balzac5000: I am off for a fag and will be back in 8 minutes (Ā±3min) -- And no surprise about local there. But lets make sure you get it right and I'd like to take a look at the scripts in detail, so you don't end up missing something important after the upgrade. |
| 14:23.22 | koskoz | hi, I've done fsck -n /dev/sda2 and I get errors: Free blocks count wrong (239483210, counted=239474383) && Free inodes count wrong (60366827, counted=60366811) |
| 14:23.27 | koskoz | how can I fix it? |
| 14:23.40 | jelly | koskoz: omit -n |
| 14:23.40 | balzac5000 | Fag breaks are critical. I'll go grab a coffee. =8^) |
| 14:23.41 | tonytraductor | I have a spare hdd here (SATA, machine is amd64), and am thinking of trying testing on it (stable on main hdd). I want to install the 2nd drive so I can dual boot |
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| 14:24.01 | jelly | koskoz: make SURE /dev/sda2 is not in use while you're doing the fsck. |
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| 14:24.10 | tonytraductor | but I'm not finding good info on dual booting with 2 drives and 2 gnu/linux distros (ie., how to configure grub for this, etc.) |
| 14:24.21 | tonytraductor | any indication of a good tutorial or howto? |
| 14:24.46 | koskoz | jelly: I'm with a rescue boot, so my partitions aren't even mounted |
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| 14:25.29 | babilen | balzac5000: The local script seems to contain things that should rather go in /etc/sysctl.conf or /etc/init.d/rc.local or other places -- I'll be back in a sec. |
| 14:25.31 | nsadmin | just install testing on that drive (consider using lvm for everything except / or /boot), boot into your main hdd and run update-grubg |
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| 14:25.46 | nsadmin | -g |
| 14:26.11 | nsadmin | tonytraductor, ^ |
| 14:26.16 | tonytraductor | koskoz, did you try fsck -y (auto-repair) |
| 14:26.24 | koskoz | tonytraductor: nop |
| 14:26.44 | tonytraductor | that *should* (afaik) repair bad sectors or whatever |
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| 14:27.13 | koskoz | root@rescue:~# fsck -y /dev/sda2 |
| 14:27.13 | koskoz | fsck from util-linux-ng 2.17.2 |
| 14:27.13 | koskoz | e2fsck 1.41.12 (17-May-2010) |
| 14:27.17 | tonytraductor | for some reason, I thought installing the 2nd drive would be more complicated than that. Sounds easy, now. |
| 14:27.21 | jelly | !paste |
| 14:27.22 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ http://paste.pocoo.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>, <lodgeit.py>. |
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| 14:28.16 | tonytraductor | ok, I'm going to power down and install this 2nd drive. |
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| 14:28.19 | tonytraductor | thanks |
| 14:28.22 | koskoz | thanks tonytraductor |
| 14:28.29 | tonytraductor | good luck kosko |
| 14:28.41 | tsavory | trying to install printer drivers and the installer keeps giving me an error about not having gcc but I have it and its been removed and reinstalled copy of the error is at http://pastebin.com/RWnzNKx8 |
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| 14:29.41 | nsadmin | koskoz, you may wish to read man fsck before doing that... the -n was a good initial choice |
| 14:30.11 | koskoz | nsadmin: everything seems ok |
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| 14:30.29 | johey | tsavory: I guess you have to look into the script and look for how it determines the existence of gcc. |
| 14:30.31 | nsadmin | also unmount before fsck |
| 14:30.37 | steampunkey | you know how packages auto-pull their dependencies, and if you remove them, you can also autoremove the said dependencies? if i'm installing from source, can i mark(=name) somehow a bunch of its dependencies as a group, so i can remove all of them at once once I don't need them anymore? |
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| 14:30.51 | koskoz | nsadmin: I'm in a rescue boot, no partitions are mounted |
| 14:30.59 | nsadmin | cool |
| 14:32.10 | nsadmin | steampunkey, if you install from source without building a package, debian won't touch those |
| 14:32.42 | steampunkey | nsadmin: sorry? |
| 14:32.53 | tsavory | johey Umm kinda new to Linux trying to learn from reading and some help so can I ask how I could find out? |
| 14:33.33 | johey | tsavory: I guess you run a script to install the printer driver? |
| 14:33.35 | nsadmin | and (if installing from source), probably you want --prefix=/usr/local (-not- /usr) |
| 14:34.13 | johey | tsavory: If it is a script, which is most likely is, you can open it in any text editor of choice. |
| 14:34.13 | steampunkey | nsadmin: i take it you weren't talking to me? |
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| 14:34.36 | nsadmin | actually I was |
| 14:34.37 | tsavory | johey correct sh hplip-3.12.2.run |
| 14:34.42 | johey | tsavory: Or simply a text viewer like less for example. |
| 14:34.54 | johey | tsavory: Open it: less hplip-3.12.2.run |
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| 14:35.06 | johey | tsavory: Then search for gcc. You search using / |
| 14:35.07 | steampunkey | nsadmin: i don't understand what you're saying. |
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| 14:35.22 | jelly | tsavory: is there a reason you're installing hplip from a script instead of using Debian's packaged versions? |
| 14:35.25 | nsadmin | ok, go back to your original request |
| 14:35.29 | jelly | ,versions hplip |
| 14:35.30 | judd | Package: hplip on i386 -- lenny: 2.8.6.b-4+lenny1; lenny-security: 2.8.6.b-4+lenny1; lenny-backports: 3.10.5-4~bpo50+1; squeeze: 3.10.6-2+squeeze1; wheezy: 3.11.12-2; sid: 3.12.2-1 |
| 14:35.37 | steampunkey | nsadmin: yes? |
| 14:36.05 | johey | tsavory: If there is a package, like the one jelly suggests, you should use that instead. |
| 14:36.06 | nsadmin | when you say "install from source", what exactly do you mean? |
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| 14:36.23 | nsadmin | are you creating packages from debianized sources? |
| 14:36.24 | steampunkey | nsadmin: ./configure && make && make install |
| 14:36.35 | nsadmin | ok, debian will not touch those |
| 14:36.51 | nsadmin | it also won't see them |
| 14:37.04 | steampunkey | nsadmin: what are those? and how is debian "touching" anything? |
| 14:37.11 | tsavory | ok cool thanks jelly and johey |
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| 14:37.35 | steampunkey | nsadmin: what i want is an easy way to remove dependencies i've installed specifically to be able to build from source |
| 14:38.21 | steampunkey | nsadmin: like apt-get remove group-src-dep-crap |
| 14:38.32 | babilen | balzac5000: Ok, thanks for your understanding. Ok, one thing at a time. All the modprobe statements are superfluous and you should just list the modules you want to have loaded (if not automatically done) in /etc/modules. The mount commands should go away and be replaced by entries in /etc/fstab |
| 14:38.36 | balzac5000 | babilen: Can I just move /etc/ini.d/local to /etc/init.d/rc.local ? |
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| 14:39.04 | S1kx | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ch-sec-services.en.html#s-user-bind <- is this still the preferred way to create a safe system/service user? |
| 14:39.08 | balzac5000 | Sorry, our messages crossed... |
| 14:39.13 | johey | steampunkey: Sorry if I am not very informed with your issue, but cannot you do apt-get autoremove <yourpackage>? |
| 14:39.27 | nsadmin | and I'm saying that if you install using "make install" debian will not see or touch the results of that. Additionally, if the prefix (fed to ./configure) is set to /usr, that could present problems when debian sees files that are the same as in the package. Normally, the prefix is set to /usr/local, a place debian isn't allowed to touch, so you should be ok |
| 14:39.38 | babilen | balzac5000: To load your firewall rules I would either use iptables-persistant (as in the package + configuration) *or* load them via pre-up stanzas in /etc/network/interfaces as discussed on http://wiki.debian.org/iptables |
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| 14:40.09 | steampunkey | johey: i didn't install it, i built it. therefore, i had to manually install its dependencies. which are many. i don't want to remember them all, i'd rather make a "group", whose removal will result in removing them all |
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| 14:40.26 | nsadmin | in this context by "debian" I mean "the debian packaging system and database" |
| 14:40.46 | steampunkey | nsadmin: ^ |
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| 14:41.00 | babilen | balzac5000: The route definition is probably best handled by a suitable entry in /etc/network/interfaces as well and the "Big Brother" start could either be done from /etc/init.d/rc.local or you could write an init script based on /etc/init.d/skeleton yourself (read /etc/init.d/README) -- I would personally recommend the latter approach and the pre-up firewall initialization. |
| 14:41.00 | johey | steampunkey: I see. I guess your best way is to write them down to a file then. |
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| 14:41.16 | steampunkey | johey: -_- |
| 14:41.41 | balzac5000 | babilen: okay, so for my /etc/init.d/local script, can I get away with deleted the modprobe statements and just move it to /etc/init.d/rc.local ? Or is what you are suggestion best practices? |
| 14:41.48 | nsadmin | and to make it really simple, write a list of the fully-qualified path/file names |
| 14:42.12 | balzac5000 | babilen: (I'm getting what you're saying now about investigating each one.) |
| 14:42.17 | somethinginteres | stable netinst can't seem to detect my external drive hosting non-free firmware debs. It doesn't raise any errors just doesn't install them. The debs are in the "/firmware" folder as per instructions. |
| 14:42.19 | steampunkey | nsadmin: i'm pretty sure you still don't understand what i want to do |
| 14:42.21 | nsadmin | but again, make sure you don't use /usr as prefix |
| 14:42.39 | steampunkey | nsadmin: i think johey does, but he can't think of anything better than a file with package names |
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| 14:42.53 | nsadmin | you want to remove your self-compiled stuff as if they were packages |
| 14:43.02 | babilen | balzac5000: Move at least all the modprobe statements to /etc/modules (no modprobe needed there, just list modules) -- But yeah, I wouldn't have mentioned this if I didn't think that it would be good idea. This also makes the behaviour of your server more predictable to new system administrators as things are configured where they should be. |
| 14:43.08 | steampunkey | nsadmin: wrong |
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| 14:43.47 | darkknightcz | hi, does anyone have some experience with setting up mta (postfix)? i need to know, if fqdn can be imaginary (not real domain), or subdomain (because if i set domain, i cannot use emails on that address) |
| 14:43.48 | tsavory | So much better Thanks guys |
| 14:43.50 | Antani | hi |
| 14:44.01 | steampunkey | nsadmin: i want to remove a list of packages. i don't want to write them down. i want to write apt-get remove <listname>, and have apt-get remember which packages those were/are |
| 14:44.12 | balzac5000 | babilen: Gotcha, I'm all about best practices |
| 14:44.16 | babilen | +1 |
| 14:44.17 | Antani | please I need help for debian squeeze on asus notebook with atheros 8151 gigabit ethernet |
| 14:44.44 | nsadmin | oh... so, package them and put them on an aptable archive |
| 14:44.45 | steampunkey | nsadmin: the only reason i mentioned building from source, is because that's why i can't just use autoremove. |
| 14:44.46 | balzac5000 | He can be taught! |
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| 14:45.15 | steampunkey | nsadmin: hmm, sounds more complicated than a list of package names ;-) |
| 14:45.22 | balzac5000 | babilen: Okay, so disassemble my local script and move statement where appropriate. |
| 14:45.24 | nsadmin | it is :) |
| 14:45.38 | nsadmin | you'd have to learn to package from your sources |
| 14:45.40 | babilen | balzac5000: That's it for this script -- Unfortunately I have to run now (pesky meetings), but will be back later. I guess that it will either turn out that the scripts are locally maintained (and might or might not be needed anymore) or belong to outdated packages (and therefore don't define correct lsb headers) |
| 14:45.50 | babilen | balzac5000: Good luck! :) |
| 14:45.55 | balzac5000 | babilen: Thanks mucho! |
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| 14:46.27 | nsadmin | what's even more complex than that, is to extend/reinvent apt/dpkg for arbitrary sources |
| 14:47.03 | steampunkey | nsadmin: i guess a group would be a user-defined dummy package with a list of "dependencies", but its creation should be easy. i guess i should file a feature request? what do you think? |
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| 14:48.14 | steampunkey | being able to easily create such dummy packages would also help admins who have to install same packages accross multiple distributions |
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| 14:48.27 | nsadmin | it's even worse than that for some sources you might build... each may have inspired a different build system, maybe some have a list of installed files, some not |
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| 14:49.11 | steampunkey | nsadmin: what do you mean? example? |
| 14:49.15 | nsadmin | I've been resisting suggesting the package "equivs" because it is close in some ways but not exactly what you want |
| 14:49.46 | nsadmin | steampunkey, have you seen makefiles that have "make uninstall"? |
| 14:50.03 | mjt | there are some |
| 14:50.10 | steampunkey | nsadmin: yes. what about? |
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| 14:50.18 | mjt | i used to create such makefiles in the past :) |
| 14:50.26 | nsadmin | (oh, and you have to keep the -configured- source around for that to work) |
| 14:50.41 | mjt | that's the reason why i stopped |
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| 14:50.54 | nsadmin | steampunkey, make uninstall is a way to remove something... yes? |
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| 14:51.37 | nsadmin | steampunkey, unfortunately "make uninstall" does not exist for some sources |
| 14:51.56 | steampunkey | nsadmin: *blink blink* ... yes, and? |
| 14:52.32 | nsadmin | so, what can you do? you could have "make install" generate a list of installed files, so that running rm over that list file would remove it |
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| 14:53.15 | nsadmin | the unfortunate part there, is you may or may not get all of them |
| 14:53.29 | mjt | who cares? |
| 14:53.30 | nsadmin | so, you have to be careful to get them all |
| 14:53.58 | mjt | (and when removing, do rm -rf, and don't forget to include "/" in the list :) |
| 14:54.05 | trysten | doh |
| 14:54.36 | steampunkey | nsadmin: you do realize that all this time i'm only talking about dependencies which are installed via dpkg? |
| 14:54.41 | nsadmin | mjt, that could be a joke... it's not a -funny- joke... |
| 14:55.04 | mjt | i'm just saying that it might not be safe |
| 14:55.20 | r4co0n | Hi. I just tried installing clamav (apt-get install clamav) on a squeeze box, but get errors, apparently a groupadd command fails... Dont know what information to enclose, tell me and I will pastebin it. |
| 14:55.25 | mjt | and make uninstall may do something like that too |
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| 14:55.44 | trysten | steampunkey: if you are looking to get rid of unused packages, try using debfoster (not sure if that's what your going for) |
| 14:55.49 | mjt | that's why distribution provides all these tools and maintainer scripts |
| 14:56.00 | nsadmin | steampunkey, oh, ok, so you could keep a list of packages |
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| 14:56.11 | steampunkey | nsadmin: -_- |
| 14:56.23 | trysten | r4co0n: all the stdout you get from trying to install it. it may help to add some verbosity to dpkg as well |
| 14:56.23 | nsadmin | per source that you build |
| 14:56.56 | trysten | nsadmin: steampunkey: debfoster. |
| 14:57.24 | somiaj | r4co0n: the actual errors would be useful, along with apt-cache policy clamav |
| 14:57.48 | r4co0n | trysten, somiaj, working on it |
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| 14:58.08 | nsadmin | so he could use an ezuivs-like package with the difference being it would depend on the packages he would remove |
| 14:58.12 | somiaj | r4co0n: don't see any bugs about this on the bts, do you have any unoffical sources and the likes messing things up? |
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| 14:58.45 | nsadmin | the thing is, any way you look at this, it's a re-invention |
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| 14:59.14 | steampunkey | trysten: yeah, i was looking it up. it does seem to be used for maintaining a list of user-defined dependencies, but those are attached to a real package afaics. that is, i can't make up my own "group" name for them, and it certainly won't detect when some manually installed (ie built) program is uninstalled. the latter is not as important though. |
| 14:59.24 | r4co0n | http://paste.debian.net/157433/ |
| 14:59.48 | r4co0n | somiaj, the repo in use is one set up by the debian installer |
| 14:59.59 | mjt | r4co0n: groupadd: cannot lock /etc/group; try again later. |
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| 15:00.14 | r4co0n | mjt, when, like wednesdays? |
| 15:00.18 | steampunkey | nsadmin: what is ezuivs? |
| 15:00.19 | mjt | r4co0n: apparently you've something which is editing group database |
| 15:00.26 | r4co0n | okay |
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| 15:00.33 | r4co0n | i rebooted ?! |
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| 15:00.45 | r4co0n | doesnt matter much, does it, old redmond habit |
| 15:00.47 | somiaj | r4co0n: yea line 29 is the error that is causing problems. Not sure why it cannot lock that file. Could be permissions of some sort |
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| 15:00.59 | r4co0n | running as root |
| 15:01.01 | nsadmin | is that bad? not necessarily. will it be hard to convince people to support? yes, and you'd have to decide whether it makes more sense for you to pursue a feature request, build packages of your stuff or coming up with an ad hoc way of doing what you want |
| 15:01.33 | mjt | r4co0n: does dpkg --configure --pending work? |
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| 15:01.57 | nsadmin | it's a LOT to do when the only benefit seems to be "to let user not have to remember what he installed outside of debian packages and repos" |
| 15:02.04 | antinull | hey guys |
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| 15:02.09 | somiaj | r4co0n: do you have files like /etc/group.lock or /etc/shadow.lock? |
| 15:02.27 | r4co0n | groupadd: cannot lock /etc/group; try again later. |
| 15:02.28 | mjt | that's /etc/.pwd.lock nowadays |
| 15:02.34 | antinull | any of you guys got a bug while installing libwebkit-dev on stable? |
| 15:03.06 | mjt | r4co0n: in that case, lsof /etc/.pwd.lock please (hopefully lsof is installed) |
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| 15:03.14 | r4co0n | somiaj, group.lock is existant |
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| 15:03.21 | mjt | oh |
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| 15:03.29 | steampunkey | nsadmin: trysten: what id' want is really to have an util that creates ad-hoc dummy packages that only have a list of dependecies. something like "dpkgdummy create source-deps pkg1 pkg2 ...", and then it auto-saves the info about the dummy package wherever it needs to, so i can just apt-get remove source-deps. another useful feature would be "dpkgdummy export source-pkg", which would spit out a .deb, to be used on another system. |
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| 15:03.46 | r4co0n | i think i aborted some install via ctrl+c somewhen |
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| 15:04.02 | mjt | how old that group.lock is? |
| 15:04.03 | tonytraductor | I got the machine powered down and opened the case only to find that my power supply only has power for 2 drives (my main hdd and my dvd reader), so I couldn't install the 2nd hdd (unless I want to switch the power cable everytime I want to switch os). |
| 15:04.03 | trysten | so like the magic of make-kpkg for all source distros. |
| 15:04.06 | somiaj | r4co0n: well try lsof /etc/group.lock |
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| 15:04.44 | r4co0n | -rw------- 1 root root 5 Dec 4 21:50 group.lock |
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| 15:04.54 | r4co0n | is that december 5th or 4th? |
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| 15:05.11 | mjt | dec 4, 5 bytes |
| 15:05.12 | r4co0n | dont facepalm too hard pls |
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| 15:05.25 | somiaj | r4co0n: you can most likely delete that file and everything will work, but it is best to make sure nothing was using it first. |
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| 15:05.58 | steampunkey | trysten: why do you keep talking about sources? forget about sources. i just want a named, easily-removable and easily-exportable list of packages. |
| 15:06.01 | r4co0n | empty output by "lsof /etc/group.lock" |
| 15:06.10 | r4co0n | so rm? |
| 15:06.13 | mjt | so just remove it and repeat dpkg |
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| 15:06.35 | r4co0n | dpkg --configure --pending (?) |
| 15:06.35 | dpkg | r4co0n: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 15:06.42 | mjt | yes r4co0n |
| 15:06.49 | steampunkey | trysten: sure, once that's done, someone could make an additional feature to have it auto-remove that dummy on make uninstall if possible, but leave that off for later. |
| 15:07.24 | steampunkey | trysten: btw. please tag me when you speak, so i don't have to search for it. thanks. |
| 15:07.40 | nsadmin | steampunkey, as mentioned, following a feature request is one of your choices |
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| 15:08.08 | r4co0n | mjt, somiaj, still the same error |
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| 15:08.20 | steampunkey | nsadmin: you mean, as i mentioned? so, there really isn't anything that can easily make such dummy packages? |
| 15:08.36 | mjt | r4co0n: please do lsof /etc/.pwd.lock |
| 15:08.53 | r4co0n | passwd.lock is existant |
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| 15:09.07 | nsadmin | well debian packages are pretty simple... a debian package is an .ar containing a text file and two .tar.gzs |
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| 15:09.37 | r4co0n | mjt, empty output, rm again? |
| 15:09.45 | mjt | wont help |
| 15:09.49 | LDB | Hi Guys, is it possible to move a partition without deleting the data on the disk, i need to move my partition by 63 sectors |
| 15:09.51 | nsadmin | so when you say "easily" I consider that a term relative to the skills of the person doing it |
| 15:09.53 | r4co0n | mjt, file name is "passwd.lock" |
| 15:09.56 | mjt | no |
| 15:10.07 | r4co0n | yeah |
| 15:10.16 | r4co0n | either a rootkit or... |
| 15:10.31 | nsadmin | steampunkey, and not just the skill, but the level of motivation |
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| 15:10.38 | mjt | r4co0n: i really mean /etc/.pwd.lock not passwd.lock. but ok. that sounds interesting. |
| 15:10.39 | steampunkey | nsadmin: ok. maybe i create such an app. and yes, that's what i meant by "easily". also fitting is an interpretation of "typing out a one liner" |
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| 15:11.00 | r4co0n | .pwd.lock is not there, passwd.lock is |
| 15:11.19 | r4co0n | looking via "ls -a" |
| 15:11.34 | steampunkey | nsadmin: or to use a term which is not as annoying as "app", a utility |
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| 15:11.40 | nsadmin | echo "this is a one-liner" | pastebinit |
| 15:12.10 | nsadmin | "annoying" also being relative |
| 15:12.34 | steampunkey | anyway, cya |
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| 15:12.55 | LDB | Hi Guys, is it possible to move a partition without deleting the data on the disk, i need to move my partition by 63 sectors |
| 15:13.24 | trysten | steampunkey: how about you just make your own local deb and have it depend on the list of packages you want? |
| 15:13.38 | r4co0n | mjt, /etc/.pwd.lock is not existant, /etc/passwd.lock is, if this is relevant. i ran "ls -a" |
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| 15:13.53 | nsadmin | LDB, that's not such a safe operation if your partition is larger than 63 sectors |
| 15:14.11 | LDB | nsadmin: ok it's not safe, but it is possible? |
| 15:14.26 | mjt | r4co0n: so remove passwd.lock too, after ensuring it is old and not open |
| 15:14.28 | nsadmin | how large is it? |
| 15:14.35 | LDB | nsadmin: 4 TB |
| 15:14.41 | trysten | holy crap |
| 15:14.41 | nsadmin | wow |
| 15:14.56 | nsadmin | why do you have to move it |
| 15:15.08 | LDB | nsadmin: the disk is paritioned without taking into account the 4k ;) |
| 15:15.22 | mjt | aligning |
| 15:15.25 | LDB | yes |
| 15:15.53 | nsadmin | what's the consequence of that? |
| 15:16.07 | mjt | Very Slow I/O (tm) |
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| 15:16.39 | r4co0n | mjt, passwd.lock was old and not in use, removed, dpkg[..] still doesnt work. i got # ls -a *.lock : gshadow.lock shadow.lock |
| 15:16.47 | r4co0n | mjt, in /etc |
| 15:16.50 | nsadmin | got an empty 4tb drive lying around? |
| 15:16.57 | LDB | i have 2 disk which are identical, one disk with the partion beginning at 64, the other at 1, i have a disk latence of 150ms on the disk which starts at 1 |
| 15:17.17 | mjt | r4co0n: these other .lock files - are they from the same date? |
| 15:17.31 | nsadmin | this might take all day to do this |
| 15:17.44 | LDB | nsadmin: i have backup afcourse, but to copy the backup over will take much longer then a move i presume |
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| 15:18.00 | valdyn | LDB: no, a move will be very very slow |
| 15:18.08 | nsadmin | how did you back up? |
| 15:18.19 | LDB | LDB: the backup is on the other side of the world using Rsync ... |
| 15:18.31 | r4co0n | mjt, yes, they are. I upgraded and installed later than Dec 4. |
| 15:18.37 | mjt | LDB: and you have all these 4TB filled up with data? |
| 15:18.43 | r4co0n | mjt, it that is relevant |
| 15:18.48 | r4co0n | *if |
| 15:18.50 | mjt | r4co0n: so rm these too |
| 15:18.53 | nsadmin | what's the purpose of the machine with the 4 tb drive? |
| 15:18.55 | LDB | mjt: on this disk it is probably 1.5 TB |
| 15:19.04 | valdyn | LDB: youre doing this with no raid? |
| 15:19.21 | mjt | r4co0n: these are lock files to ensure no two processes are accessing passwd, group, shadow etc files at the same time |
| 15:19.31 | LDB | nsadmin: webserver |
| 15:19.36 | infernix | hrm. after a dist-upgrade on sid, my mod4 key (the one with the logo o_O) stopped working. xev doesn't even register the keypress. |
| 15:19.38 | nsadmin | LDB, remote? |
| 15:19.42 | mjt | r4co0n: so they are problematic only when you need to add/remove users |
| 15:19.42 | trysten | LDB: i'd backup if i were you -.- personally, i've lost too much data to ever take a risk like that |
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| 15:19.50 | LDB | mjt: no raid anymore after some terrible RAID failures before |
| 15:19.55 | r4co0n | mjt, thx for clarification |
| 15:20.03 | koskoz | I've followed this link to resize my partitions: http://blog.thecodingmachine.com/fr/content/redimensionner-les-partitions-dun-serveur-ovh-kimsufi Everything seemed to work fine but now I have /var and /var/var with the files from the old /var |
| 15:20.07 | koskoz | wtf is that? |
| 15:20.19 | LDB | trysten: i have backup, but the backup is far away |
| 15:20.29 | infernix | what's lower level than xmodmap for configuring special keys? |
| 15:20.35 | r4co0n | mjt, works like a charm now, thank you very much. |
| 15:20.59 | mjt | r4co0n: now i wish useradd was "a bit" smarter and actually printed the reason why it can't do its work |
| 15:21.14 | trysten | LDB: if it's already backed up, i'd just forcefully resize it. forget the data in the first few sectors and let fsck take care of fixing it. |
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| 15:21.25 | r4co0n | mjt, is there a bug i can vote on? |
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| 15:21.31 | trysten | infernix: keyboard kernel module |
| 15:21.35 | mjt | r4co0n: no idea |
| 15:21.37 | nsadmin | can you reduce the size of the partition, create another partition from the end of the drive, copy everything to that partition, delete/remake the old partition so it's where you want, then restore? |
| 15:22.07 | trysten | infernix: see 'magic sysrq key' in linux source |
| 15:22.10 | mjt | LDB: and you really don't have a way to copy these 1.5Tb (maybe with compression) to another _nearby_ drive temporarily? |
| 15:22.35 | nsadmin | r4co0n, most bugs wouldn't support your weight |
| 15:22.42 | LDB | mjt: maybe, i have to split it over several network disks... |
| 15:22.51 | LDB | nsadmin: also a posibility |
| 15:23.03 | nsadmin | is this remote? |
| 15:23.11 | infernix | ok what the hell, showkey on console doesn't even register the key anymore |
| 15:23.18 | infernix | facepalms |
| 15:23.19 | mjt | LDB: that will really be the fastest way. copying it in place, while sounds fast (just one copy), means alot of hdd head movements |
| 15:24.00 | r4co0n | nsadmin, support my weight? rephrase pls |
| 15:24.11 | nsadmin | it would be FAR faster to have a second drive to copy stuff to/from |
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| 15:24.36 | nsadmin | r4co0n, if you are on a bug when you vote on something, you risk squishing the bug |
| 15:24.37 | mjt | seconded |
| 15:24.38 | LDB | nsadmin: yes it is hotswap only i dont have any disks at the moment, they are back ordered |
| 15:24.42 | infernix | double facepalms |
| 15:25.17 | infernix | i need some superglue to stop toggling this switch on my keyboard that disables the windows keys. |
| 15:25.19 | LDB | nsadmin: the machine has lots of SSD disks, but they are too small to fit 1.5 TB |
| 15:25.24 | infernix | i'm an idiot |
| 15:25.52 | nsadmin | LDB what is their combined size? |
| 15:26.02 | LDB | nsadmin: 8x 80GB |
| 15:26.03 | nsadmin | the ones that are not in use |
| 15:26.11 | LDB | nsadmin: probably 80% in use |
| 15:26.15 | trysten | infernix: you should be able to block out that key-code.. maybe. |
| 15:26.24 | nsadmin | so that's not at all enough |
| 15:26.31 | Ace | is it necessary/useful to mount 2 smb shares that need to be backupped regularly by autofs or just through fstab? |
| 15:26.53 | infernix | trysten: it's actually a hardware switch. logitech g15 keyboard. i do this to myself every so many weeks and i am unable to store this information in my brain for later retrieval. |
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| 15:27.01 | infernix | e.g. i am an idiot. :) |
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| 15:27.14 | nsadmin | and just to shoot up a dead horse one more time, you have no physical access to the web server machine? |
| 15:27.19 | LDB | nsadmin: they are fast but not enought, the SSD's are used for databases (innodb and xtradb) while the regular disks are for archive databases |
| 15:27.30 | LDB | nsadmin: yes i have physical acces |
| 15:27.33 | trysten | infernix: oh, lol. well some modifiers work on the keyboard level and there is nothing you can do about it. |
| 15:27.38 | nsadmin | oh you do? |
| 15:27.49 | me-1 | hi...how can I conneect to internet through PPOE . I am using KDE |
| 15:27.52 | LDB | nsadmin: yes the server is here, the backup is further away |
| 15:28.16 | nsadmin | then the resize/new/format/copy/etc method could be less unsafe for you |
| 15:28.26 | LDB | nsadmin: the nice this is that the production databases work, but the archives are down for the move |
| 15:28.55 | rawtaz | at http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2011/01/msg00006.html we can read about thoughts on a longer security support for stable, under "Longer security support for Debian stable". what is the latest news on that part? has it been discussed further? |
| 15:28.58 | nsadmin | hmm. is this for a business thing? |
| 15:29.07 | nsadmin | is there a boss who is not you involved? |
| 15:29.11 | LDB | nsadmin: its a private business :) |
| 15:29.16 | balzac5000 | Anyone have a clue for me on this grub issue I'm having with a Lenny-to-Squeeze upgade? http://paste.debian.net/157434/ |
| 15:29.21 | LDB | nsadmin: i am the boss |
| 15:29.22 | LDB | :D |
| 15:29.24 | nsadmin | ok |
| 15:29.43 | balzac5000 | This is a xen guest, which may be part of the problem. |
| 15:29.46 | LDB | nsadmin: im just here to see if there are some smart solutions :) |
| 15:29.49 | nsadmin | I was gonna say, whatever way you pick, the boss signs off on every step |
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| 15:30.14 | LDB | :D |
| 15:30.36 | nsadmin | (don't tell the boss I said that...) |
| 15:30.41 | LDB | nsadmin: too late |
| 15:30.47 | nsadmin | oops |
| 15:31.03 | somiaj | balzac5000: if the xen host dosn't provide you a udev kernel, you may have troubles getting squeeze to run. |
| 15:31.05 | threadlock | balzac5000: check your /boot/grub/device.map ? |
| 15:31.20 | nsadmin | this is one single partition? |
| 15:31.23 | LDB | nsadmin: well i have to do some more thinking over here, thanks for the input |
| 15:31.27 | balzac5000 | somiaj: Thanks for responding. Yeah, I'm concerned about that... |
| 15:31.31 | LDB | nsadmin: yes 1 |
| 15:31.40 | nsadmin | covering the whole drive |
| 15:31.44 | balzac5000 | threadlock: I appreciate your help! |
| 15:31.49 | nsadmin | -why-?! :) |
| 15:31.55 | me-1 | how to connect to PPPOE Debian+KDE..?? |
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| 15:32.11 | nsadmin | isn't there ppoeconfig |
| 15:32.20 | LDB | nsadmin: there are several solutions, have to be comfortable with one if im gonna do it |
| 15:32.45 | balzac5000 | threadlock: Curiously, my device.map filesize is 0. |
| 15:32.47 | nsadmin | did you say before that you have less than half the drive filled? |
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| 15:33.01 | threadlock | balzac5000: what does 'grub-mkdevicemap --device-map=/tmp/device.map' give you? |
| 15:33.07 | LDB | nsadmin: yes probably around 50% |
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| 15:33.21 | me-1 | nsadmin, I tried pppoeconf and pppoe-setup but cpmmand not found |
| 15:33.35 | balzac5000 | threadlock: Great, I got another empty file in /tmp |
| 15:33.38 | koskoz | how can I move permanetly the content of /var/var to /var? I need to unmount the partition? |
| 15:33.42 | nsadmin | well if it is 50% that gets dangerous |
| 15:34.00 | nsadmin | if it's more like 40% you have some wiggle room |
| 15:34.20 | valdyn | koskoz: this is not hard: cd /var/var/; mv * ../ |
| 15:34.31 | balzac5000 | threadlock: I'm RIGHT at the end of the upgrade from Lenny to Squeeze from a machine that's been upgraded to every release since Sarge |
| 15:34.33 | koskoz | valdyn: some files are currently in use :o |
| 15:34.40 | valdyn | koskoz: so? |
| 15:34.41 | LDB | nsadmin: crap, it's 60% |
| 15:34.41 | threadlock | balzac5000: perhaps if you pass --verbose as well? maybe you'll see a clue |
| 15:34.49 | koskoz | valdyn: so I can't move them :o |
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| 15:35.02 | nsadmin | can you offload some of it to different storage? |
| 15:35.03 | valdyn | koskoz: why the hell cant you move a file when its in use? |
| 15:35.11 | valdyn | koskoz: linux is not windows |
| 15:35.13 | jelly | koskoz: step 1) single user mode |
| 15:35.24 | balzac5000 | threadlock: What a good idea! I always forget about verbose when debugging. Rats - no output, nothing in the file. |
| 15:35.30 | LDB | nsadmin: have to move it to another server, not sure if i have enough on the other one |
| 15:35.36 | jelly | koskoz: or step 1) stop all the services using /var, manually |
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| 15:35.56 | LDB | nsadmin: can't gparted resize and move partitions? |
| 15:35.59 | koskoz | valdyn: not in use, but not empty. For instance I'm trying to "mv /var/var /var" but I've got the following error: "./lib: the folder is not empty" |
| 15:36.05 | nsadmin | LDB, maybe that way isn't great |
| 15:36.18 | nsadmin | I think it can |
| 15:36.26 | nsadmin | ok, question me this: |
| 15:36.34 | valdyn | koskoz: that just means "hey i cant move this directly because youre trying to move accross filesystem boundaries" |
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| 15:36.42 | nsadmin | what happens if you lose the entire 4tb? |
| 15:36.49 | valdyn | koskoz: this has nothing to do with in use |
| 15:36.49 | jelly | koskoz: so you have directories names the same in both places? |
| 15:36.59 | LDB | nsadmin: loose my archive databases |
| 15:37.07 | koskoz | oh yeah. How can I merge them? |
| 15:37.10 | nsadmin | can you get them back? |
| 15:37.20 | jelly | koskoz: use rsync instead of mv |
| 15:37.24 | jelly | or cp -a |
| 15:37.25 | LDB | nsadmin: i can but the backup offsite is slow, about 20Mbit |
| 15:37.46 | valdyn | koskoz: the merge is automatic when you cant use mv as is the case right now |
| 15:37.49 | jelly | koskoz: mind the overwrites |
| 15:38.11 | nsadmin | so you would take a fairly significant risk |
| 15:38.38 | LDB | nsadmin: yes it is.. it will take probably a lott of hours to get it back.. |
| 15:38.40 | nsadmin | which direction does the partition have to go? toward higher sector numbers or lower? |
| 15:38.56 | LDB | nsadmin: move the partition from sector 1 to 64 |
| 15:38.57 | threadlock | balzac5000: i found http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/debian-26/update-problem-870114/ |
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| 15:39.11 | nsadmin | so, it has to go up |
| 15:39.11 | threadlock | balzac5000: maybe you'll find something usefull there |
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| 15:39.42 | LDB | nsadmin: yes, and then i have to shrink the partion 63 sectors to make it fit afcourse |
| 15:39.48 | balzac5000 | threadlock: Oh yeah, VERY useful. Thank you very much for the lead! I'll go chase this... |
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| 15:40.08 | nsadmin | right, or shrink it more than that and then move, and then expand it back |
| 15:40.50 | LDB | yes |
| 15:41.24 | nsadmin | you should find out if others have used parted or gparted to operate on this large of a partition |
| 15:41.48 | nsadmin | and ask them what their experience was |
| 15:41.51 | valdyn | LDB: im pretty sure straight dd can move your partition easily, but this process cannot be interrupted |
| 15:42.18 | nsadmin | me? NONE, with a 4t partition,,, I have a 2t drive with lots of partitions and pvs |
| 15:42.20 | LDB | valdyn: it's on the same disk |
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| 15:42.30 | valdyn | LDB: sure, i know what im talking about |
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| 15:43.02 | valdyn | LDB: dd has to read before it writes, provided the read chunk ( block size ) is > your offset you want to move, dd can do this |
| 15:43.03 | LDB | valdyn: i have to move the partition by 63 sectors up and shrink the partiion 63 sectors |
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| 15:43.27 | nsadmin | probably be good to shrink first |
| 15:43.32 | nsadmin | then move |
| 15:44.17 | nsadmin | this move, is happening in scheduled downtime? |
| 15:44.26 | LDB | nsadmin: yes |
| 15:44.48 | nsadmin | ok, so you need to leave time to restore from the rsync backup in case you have to do that |
| 15:44.49 | balzac5000 | threadlock: Yep - that had the answer! Thanks again! |
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| 15:45.30 | mah454 | Hello |
| 15:45.33 | LDB | nsadmin: yes, we have 97% uptime in a year, so it must fit in 10,9 days yearly |
| 15:45.46 | mah454 | What is this messages in Xorg.0.log ? http://pastebin.com/dn7C5gp0 |
| 15:46.10 | threadlock | balzac5000: kool! =) |
| 15:46.19 | nsadmin | so, make sure you can fit a full rsync restore in that time |
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| 15:46.36 | nsadmin | if you succeed, you'll have 98% this year |
| 15:46.44 | LDB | nsadmin: :) |
| 15:46.57 | balzac5000 | threadlock: it still throws the error, but it rebooted okayfine, so I'm backing away. Slowly. |
| 15:47.03 | valdyn | and when that disk breaks you'll be fucked |
| 15:47.07 | nsadmin | if you don't and have to do it, you will have planned for it |
| 15:47.18 | LDB | nsadmin: yes |
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| 15:49.00 | tsavory | damn it got the hplip package installed and ran lp /etc/fstab got 1 page with some printing and now it just keeps pulling paper though the printer hp laserjet 4l any clues to what I can do to fix it? |
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| 15:49.17 | z3L | Hello. I have installed samba on my debian 6, it was working great, however last time I didn't shutdown the system by command, but powered it off. From that time I can not connect anymore to this system, what might be a problem ? |
| 15:49.23 | koskoz | after resizing my partitions mysql doesn't start anymore. When I use the init script I just have the "failed" message and the logs are empty... |
| 15:49.27 | koskoz | mysql |
| 15:49.29 | valdyn | tsavory: run "dpkg -S $(which lp)" |
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| 15:49.58 | petemc | z3L: is samba running? is machine one network? has its ip changed? |
| 15:50.26 | petemc | s/one/on/ |
| 15:50.51 | z3L | petemc: Yes, samba is running. Debian6 is under vmware workstation 8, maybe ip has changed, but I am trying to connect by host |
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| 15:51.30 | file-exists-p | hi people |
| 15:51.30 | tsavory | valdyn cups-client: /usr/bin/lp |
| 15:51.40 | ryann | any udev gurus? trying to manipulate some net rules.. |
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| 15:52.59 | sKeiths | fdisk -l /dev/sda says my ntfs partition sda1 is swap/linux. disk will not boot. i can mount partition and see everything in it. how do i make fdisk releabel ntfs back to ntfs and not swap/linux, without losing my data. TIA |
| 15:53.08 | nsadmin | ryann, give details on your situation... the more you give, the more someone can figure out if they can help you, the more people available to help you, the higher quality you get |
| 15:53.25 | valdyn | sKeiths: just use the label command in fdisk |
| 15:53.49 | nsadmin | isn't it t |
| 15:53.51 | valdyn | sKeiths: its "t" |
| 15:54.12 | nsadmin | and then l to list partition types |
| 15:54.26 | karlpinc | z3L: So have you confirmed that your dns is updated with the new IP? |
| 15:54.44 | ryann | I've got a HDD that i've cloned, and will continue to clone, and connect to the same hardware (same mainboard and perhiperials). There's a minipci wlan card that I want to keep as wlan0, regardless of if any USB wifi devices are present. When I look at the existing rules, the present wlan0 MAC address is used to help identify it -- any way to wild card that? |
| 15:55.10 | ryann | Can I assume the bus position would be the same on each device, considering they'd all have the same minipci-e card? |
| 15:55.14 | karlpinc | z3L: the logs are your friend. |
| 15:55.21 | sKeiths | no label or 't' option in my fdisk |
| 15:55.27 | karlpinc | ryann: no |
| 15:55.34 | valdyn | ryann: the mini pci card would probably have the same vendor code in the mac |
| 15:55.47 | sKeiths | oh, i found it.. |
| 15:55.47 | z3L | karlpinc: I am a beginner user, could you tell me where are the logs? |
| 15:56.00 | ryann | valdyn: right.. first few characters are the same. can i wildcard the rest? |
| 15:56.07 | valdyn | ryann: yes |
| 15:56.12 | nsadmin | sKeiths, what operating system do you run |
| 15:56.14 | valdyn | !z25 |
| 15:56.15 | dpkg | udev has the ability to statically rename Ethernet cards based on MAC address. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules, edit this file to change the mappings. To apply changes: "udevadm trigger" or reload the relevant driver module. See also <forcedeth mac>, <udev>. |
| 15:56.16 | ChibaPet | So, does anyone know offhang why motp.sourceforge.net stuff has never been packaged for Debian, at least that I can see? It seems like it would be quite nice to have. |
| 15:56.18 | karlpinc | z3L: /var/log/ |
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| 15:56.31 | valdyn | ryann: the "forcedeth mac" explains how iirc |
| 15:56.36 | ryann | awesome. :) thank you valdyn |
| 15:56.37 | valdyn | ryann: the "forcedeth mac" factoid explains how iirc |
| 15:56.50 | karlpinc | z3L: see also: tail -f |
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| 15:57.13 | nsadmin | valdyn, does udev handle wlan cards that way by default? |
| 15:57.13 | karlpinc | z3L: man tail |
| 15:57.31 | valdyn | nsadmin: network cards in general |
| 15:57.33 | nsadmin | pin the tail on the man |
| 15:57.39 | simonlnu | ChibaPet: reportbug and file "rfp" |
| 15:57.46 | z3L | karlpinc: I'm waiting for the tail result, which log file should I read? |
| 15:57.48 | sKeiths | nsadmin. xp is on the ntfs partition |
| 15:57.52 | simonlnu | ping the man on the tail |
| 15:57.57 | simonlnu | pin* |
| 15:58.04 | ChibaPet | simonlnu: I want to get into packaging. Is there an alternative route I should follow if I want to try packaging and submitting it myself? |
| 15:58.06 | nsadmin | valdyn, so it's not just capable of doing that, it -does- that |
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| 15:58.14 | tsavory | valdyn it came back with cups-client: /usr/bin/lp |
| 15:58.20 | ChibaPet | I used to build RPMs in another life, and I figured .debs can't be much different. |
| 15:58.27 | valdyn | tsavory: yes, i saw, thats correct, so no error there |
| 15:58.31 | karlpinc | z3L: tail the log |
| 15:59.04 | tsavory | valdyn oh ok thanks for looking |
| 15:59.14 | nsadmin | ChibaPet, an rpm is a cpio and probably other stuff... a .deb is an ar containing a text file and two .tar.gzs |
| 15:59.33 | simonlnu | ChibaPet: first read what '/msg dpkg nmg' says, then find a sponsoring dd if you want to include it in debian. '/msg dpkg mentors' and #debian-mentors on OFTC |
| 15:59.41 | nsadmin | the stuff surrounding .debs are probably different |
| 15:59.50 | ChibaPet | simonlnu: thank you, noting and doing |
| 16:00.07 | karlpinc | z3L: well, there's /var/log/samba/ |
| 16:00.15 | z3L | karlpinc: That's a folder, what file? |
| 16:00.50 | nsadmin | there are probably either 0, 1 or more than one files in that dir |
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| 16:01.07 | nsadmin | it's quite possible that ls will list them |
| 16:01.21 | bs0d | Hello everybody |
| 16:01.27 | karlpinc | z3L: Dunno. You could try one of each, for each that's not a rotated out old log. |
| 16:01.48 | bs0d | I still have slight problems with NetworkManager Applet 0.8.4 GUI |
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| 16:02.01 | nsadmin | if you take a look at that list, it's possible to figure out which one you want |
| 16:02.07 | karlpinc | z3L: Then try connecting an see what you see. If you see nothing, then your client is not talking to the right box. |
| 16:02.08 | z3L | karlpinc: Samba name DEBIAN is now a local master browser for workgroup MSHOME on subnet 192.168.42.128 |
| 16:02.19 | nsadmin | bs0d, how did the install go |
| 16:02.24 | bs0d | I have 2 VPN connections, but when I connect to one of them, the second becomes grayed, and I cannot switch it on .. but I need a way to be able to switch them both on |
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| 16:03.04 | bs0d | nsadmin I have set up 2 vpn connections in /etc/openvpn and imported their appropriate configuration files into NetworkManager |
| 16:03.06 | karlpinc | z3L: If you've got another linux box, or even from localhost, you can try using the smb command line client as well. It probably has verbose/debug options. That could tell you if it's a client or server side problem (if smb works, it's not the server.) |
| 16:03.08 | sajjadg | hi. i wanna connect to an ad-hoc network(others has win). the ad-hoc pc has static ip 192.168.0.2 and I changed my ip to 192.168.0.190 with subnet mask 255.255.255.0 and gateway 192.168.0.2 using gnome-network-manager and checked ifconfig everythings is seems ok . but i cannot ping 192.168.0.2 and other ip-es on the network. should i do something else ? |
| 16:03.28 | z3L | karlpinc: Adress already in use |
| 16:03.45 | nsadmin | bs0d, so you got debian installed on that machine, wasn't it from a usb stick? |
| 16:03.58 | karlpinc | z3L: I don't really know anything about samba. Sometimes I poke it with a stick and get it to work. I find the faq at samba.org (iirc) to be helpful. |
| 16:04.11 | karlpinc | z3L: Oops. not smb smbclient. |
| 16:04.23 | z3L | karlpinc: I suppose that's the problem. Samba can't open a socket, because it is already in use. |
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| 16:04.35 | karlpinc | z3L: That's trying to run the server twice. |
| 16:04.47 | bs0d | nsadmin no, I used Debian installation CD, not USB stick. it is Debian 6.0.4 stable squeeze |
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| 16:05.15 | z3L | karlpinc: I doubt, if it has loaded the server before, I would've been able to connect to it. |
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| 16:05.58 | karlpinc | z3L: Also there's #samba, although you might find someone here who knows what they are doing. (Again, smb _is_ the server. smbclient is the client. If you run smb twice, the 2nd time won't run.) |
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| 16:07.07 | z3L | karlpinc: Ok, thank you. |
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| 16:07.56 | karlpinc | z3L: I also recall that clock skew messes with samba/kerberos so you might make sure everybody's got the same time by running ntp. |
| 16:08.41 | simonlnu | oh yes, with kerberos definitely |
| 16:09.03 | bs0d | does anyone know how to switch more than 1 vpn connection on in NetworkManager? |
| 16:09.29 | bs0d | Yes, I have 2 of them, but seems, that network manager allows to connect to only one of those, another becomes grayed when connection is established |
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| 16:11.10 | tsavory | well right now I would be happy to talk this printer into quit printing its just blank pages but won't stop I shut down the pc pulled plug on printer is there away to see whats in printer spool though putty as I am using non-GUI debian |
| 16:11.36 | file-exists-p | any idea how to solve that "/bin/bash: path: command not found" |
| 16:11.42 | file-exists-p | where is bin/path ?! |
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| 16:11.53 | hwilde | Bug #488000: grub2: fails to boot dq35jo intel board |
| 16:11.55 | gnarface | tsavory: i think you may want to read up on lpq and lprm. the cups control panel may also allow you to canel jobs |
| 16:11.58 | petemc | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:12.03 | gnarface | tsavory: i mean cancel jobs |
| 16:12.04 | file-exists-p | installing git fvwm2 |
| 16:12.15 | hwilde | where can I find the official bug report for Bug #488000: grub2: fails to boot dq35jo intel board |
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| 16:12.55 | petemc | hendrikz: http://bugs.debian.org/488000 |
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| 16:13.00 | petemc | hwilde: ^^^ |
| 16:13.10 | karlpinc | tsavory: Generally that means that you're sending codes to the printer and it thinks you want to print text. (Printers suck.) You have to power off the printer and power it back on. |
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| 16:13.50 | babilen | hwilde: You can search for bugs on http://bugs.debian.org as well (or "/msg dpkg dbugs #NNNNNNNN" in here) |
| 16:13.59 | file-exists-p | petemc: seems that I have to install xsltproc |
| 16:14.10 | sKeiths | fdisk does not seem to want to change ID from 82 to 86 |
| 16:14.14 | hwilde | petemc, babilen, why is it closed it doesn't seem to be fixed |
| 16:14.20 | karlpinc | tsavory: You've run cups, and connected to localhost:631 to configure it? (You can either tell cups to listen on a network port or just use ssh/putty to tunnel the 631 port and connect to localhost:631 on your local box.) |
| 16:15.00 | hwilde | who is maximilian attems <maks@debian.org> |
| 16:15.09 | tsavory | karlpinc yeah I have and it starts printing again I had get one page with text about 100 without and 1 page with and 60 or so maore right now I have all off the linux box and the printer unpluged |
| 16:15.16 | karlpinc | tsavory: There's also "lpq" and "lprm". |
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| 16:15.45 | karlpinc | tsavory: Leave the printer off, turn on the box, and use lpq and lprm (as root) to empty the queue. |
| 16:15.52 | hwilde | who is Robert Millan <rmh@aybabtu.com> |
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| 16:16.39 | tsavory | karlpinc will try that |
| 16:17.51 | karlpinc | tsavory: You may have to lpq -a |
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| 16:18.38 | sKeiths | hmm. fdisk is disagring with itself. fdisk -l shows id 82, but when i use p command in fdisk it shows id 86. |
| 16:19.18 | karlpinc | sKeiths: There's an in-memory and on disk. Did you tell fdisk to write? |
| 16:19.26 | bs0d | seems that noone is using NetworkManager here :( |
| 16:19.34 | sKeiths | i used command w, write to disk |
| 16:19.35 | bs0d | Is there any separate channel for this software? |
| 16:19.50 | karlpinc | bs0d: We tend to think network manager causes more problems than it solves. |
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| 16:20.03 | karlpinc | sKeiths: Dunno. |
| 16:20.11 | sebyrock | ciao a tutti!!! |
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| 16:20.27 | r4co0n | just had this on my terminal http://paste.debian.net/157448/ seems to have happened when I closed the netbook lid, but not sure |
| 16:20.41 | bs0d | karlpinc could you suggest me any alternative? I need a gui tool to manage network connections over wire and vpn .. not used to entering commands on the console |
| 16:20.44 | sebyrock | bella li sono riuscito a fare accedere un tablet android alla vpn aziendale :) |
| 16:20.54 | simonlnu | !it |
| 16:20.55 | dpkg | Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help. |
| 16:21.41 | gnarface | bs0d: the gui tool is harder to learn than the console commands |
| 16:21.49 | karlpinc | !tell bs0d about wireless connection managers |
| 16:22.08 | babilen | hwilde: Maximilian is a Debian developer and it is my impression that he wants to be contacted directly about this bug. (It might have to be reopened or a new bug could be filed (probably better)) |
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| 16:22.22 | hwilde | babilen, how do I do this |
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| 16:22.34 | karlpinc | !tell hwilde about reportbug |
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| 16:22.42 | hwilde | well i'm actually trying on fedora but I have the same issue with that motherboard and grub2 |
| 16:23.05 | babilen | hwilde: Open an email client, enter "maximilian attems <maks@debian.org>" in the "To:" field and write away :) |
| 16:23.39 | babilen | hwilde: Please ask fedora in that case -- We have no idea what software they ship and if that bug report has any relevance to it. |
| 16:23.58 | hwilde | it's already reported as a debian bug |
| 16:24.05 | hwilde | same exact issue between motheboard & grub2 |
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| 16:25.51 | karlpinc | tsavory: You may need ppd files. "aptitude search ppd" (I always just guess which I need and somehow it works.) |
| 16:26.13 | stevieman | is anyone here using rsnapshot for backups? I'm having some problems with backing up mysql DB's. I'm hoping someone can help me sort out the problem I'm getting |
| 16:26.27 | karlpinc | tsavory: "aptitude search '~ippd'" to see what you already have installed. |
| 16:26.38 | ChibaPet | Hm. So. I'm building a source package from Wheezy for Squeeze because I need functionality from the version of Netatalk provided by Wheezy. What's the best way for me to name/version it so that when eventually the box is upgraded to Wheezy, the Netatalk I built by hand is automatically replaced by the Wheezy-supplied version? |
| 16:26.52 | ChibaPet | Or am I better off just manually removing and replacing at that point? |
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| 16:27.06 | gnarface | stevieman: i'm not but you may want to use mysqldump to back up your database instead |
| 16:27.19 | karlpinc | stevieman: You'll need to dump the dbs using mysqldump, and backup the dump. dbs generally are not in a consistent state on-disk, so they all have tools to dump to a fs. Want a script? |
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| 16:27.57 | tsavory | karlpinc I get back > with that line |
| 16:27.58 | somiaj | any ideas on what could be causing my laptop to resume right away after a pm-suspend (takes me 2-3 times to actually get it to stay supeneded if not more) |
| 16:28.00 | stevieman | gnarface, rsnapshpt calls a script which does a dump then puls that dump down to the backup server. I'm having problems calling the script |
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| 16:28.30 | karlpinc | stevieman: $PATH issues? Just a guess. |
| 16:28.36 | r4co0n | sry for repost, but: http://paste.debian.net/157448/ should i worry about my netbook yet or wait for this to reappear? |
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| 16:29.35 | karlpinc | somiaj: You could always try a newer kernel from <bdo>. I've no idea what your problem is though. |
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| 16:30.49 | karlpinc | r4co0n: It's a mystery to me, which is not suprising. You also could try a newer kernel and see if the problem goes away. type "/msg dpkg bdo" into your irc client. |
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| 16:31.10 | tsavory | karlpinc sorry I forgot the ending ' it came back with cups-ppdc foomatic-filters-ppds and libcupsppdc1 |
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| 16:32.01 | karlpinc | tsavory: Like I say, I poke it with a stick. With a little reading of the package description/man pages in the package you should be able to figure out which ppd your printer needs. |
| 16:32.03 | stevieman | karlpinc, I think it's a rsnapshot config issue. |
| 16:32.30 | r4co0n | karlpinc, this happened only once and I couldn't reproduce it till now. I will consider upgrading my kernel if this reappears. |
| 16:32.38 | karlpinc | stevieman: I don't use rsnapshot. I want push backups sometimes and pull others. I've my own script. |
| 16:33.14 | karlpinc | stevieman: Perhaps the logs are your friends and you can crank up the verbosity? |
| 16:33.39 | stevieman | karlpinc, yah, I think I'm going to have to do that. just takes so long to run :) |
| 16:34.10 | karlpinc | stevieman: I also tend to write my mysqldump calling scripts so they always keep a complete backup on disk (so while it's running there's 2). That way I don't require synchronization with the rest of the backup system. YMMV. |
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| 16:34.22 | koskoz | does anyone have a good tutorial on how to resize / in command line? |
| 16:34.51 | karlpinc | koskoz: IBM devleoperworks has one if you're running lvm. |
| 16:35.25 | karlpinc | stevieman: I also prefer to avoid mysql entirely, but that's another issue. |
| 16:35.44 | koskoz | karlpinc: I don't think I run lvm :/ |
| 16:36.39 | karlpinc | koskoz: No worries. You might try the debian reference manual and see what's there. Also wiki.debian.org. Or ask someone here to talk you through it. (A real person can be a good choice. :-) |
| 16:37.56 | tsavory | karlpinc I am sure it is the hp-ppd right now I the list that I am running all are proceeded with an i I need all the ones proceeded with a p how do I change them |
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| 16:41.34 | koskoz | karlpinc: how do I know if I have lmv? |
| 16:42.45 | bs0d | but if to assume, that running commands on the console is the worst option possible, which gui tool would you recommend me to manage network connections ( vpn as well ) for Gnome? |
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| 16:43.04 | stevieman | karlpinc, I'm starting to lean that way myself but I have no say in this case |
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| 16:45.23 | koskoz | is it possible to install lvm on an existing system to use it to resize partitions? |
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| 16:47.18 | dutchfish | koskoz, do you mean converting a root partition to one under lvm? |
| 16:47.51 | koskoz | dutchfish: I don't know, I want an easyway to extend my root partition |
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| 16:48.40 | cousin_luigi | Hello. |
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| 16:49.26 | dutchfish | koskoz, there are several ways depending on what you want to do (multi disks, raid, extending into free space) but one that explains it for a root partition http://tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO/upgraderoottolvm.html (backup fist!) |
| 16:49.32 | cousin_luigi | needs to fix a broken dependency with apt and tried creating a package with equivs, but it didn't do the trick. What was that alternate way to inject non-esisting packages in the database? |
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| 16:50.38 | koskoz | dutchfish: but it's using LVM and I understand that to have LVM you need to install your system with it, so... |
| 16:50.39 | themill | cousin_luigi: what are you *really* trying to do and in what way did equivs "not do the trick" |
| 16:50.49 | dutchfish | koskoz, if you can afford to do it offline, a backup and reinstall with lvm setup is the best way. |
| 16:50.58 | koskoz | basically I have free non allocated space which I want to merge with my / |
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| 16:51.20 | koskoz | dutchfish: I don't have a physical access to the machine |
| 16:51.48 | dutchfish | koskoz, is the free space on the same disk/raid? |
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| 16:51.59 | koskoz | dutchfish: yeah, I only have one disk |
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| 16:52.44 | cousin_luigi | themill: apt still does want to install the actual packages (even if I put them in the Provides and Replaces fields). |
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| 16:53.45 | Mephisto | got a question |
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| 16:54.00 | Mephisto | been having this prob always and even on other distros. |
| 16:54.19 | dutchfish | koskoz, then look into extending the physical volume, after that you can easely extend the volume group and logical volumes, that does involve tweaking (growing the undelrying FS) http://www.turnkeylinux.org/blog/extending-lvm |
| 16:54.22 | simonlnu | got an answer |
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| 16:54.38 | themill | cousin_luigi: more details, please. |
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| 16:54.44 | Mephisto | when playing video i can often see something that i can't even describe normally |
| 16:54.46 | koskoz | dutchfish: but it's still related to lvm right? |
| 16:54.54 | cousin_luigi | themill: I'm sort of wary of supplying them. |
| 16:54.56 | Mephisto | regardless of the video players, regardless of the videocard. |
| 16:54.59 | Mephisto | it's just always there. |
| 16:55.07 | dutchfish | koskoz, yes |
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| 16:55.31 | Mephisto | some lines... like frames being shifted/cut, dunno. Usually visible with active motion. |
| 16:55.36 | koskoz | dutchfish: I don't have it! |
| 16:55.43 | Mephisto | checked on windows. No such things. It's smooth there. |
| 16:55.45 | dutchfish | koskoz, pvdisplay, vgdisplay etc ... it needs carefull planning ahead |
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| 16:56.18 | Mephisto | i can try making a screenshot if it's even possible. |
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| 16:56.29 | dutchfish | koskoz, well you can simply install lvm on a debian system |
| 16:56.49 | koskoz | dutchfish: without reinstalling everything and without losing my datas? |
| 16:57.08 | zeref-Lap | Mephisto gief screenshot?? |
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| 16:57.18 | Mephisto | yep, just made it, went out perfect. |
| 16:57.20 | Mephisto | hang on. |
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| 16:57.37 | dutchfish | koskoz, the install of the package does not alter your partitions nor there setups, thats up to you after installing lvm2 |
| 16:57.40 | cousin_luigi | themill: let's just say I have installed an unofficial package that is not seen as dependency |
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| 16:58.07 | cousin_luigi | (and so the official, but older ones are installed also) |
| 16:58.14 | dutchfish | koskoz, or better describe your question in case i misunderstood |
| 16:58.18 | Mephisto | http://89.28.122.14:8080/Screenshot.png |
| 16:58.19 | Mephisto | there ya go. |
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| 16:59.00 | dutchfish | koskoz, this is debian stable right aka squeeze? |
| 16:59.05 | themill | cousin_luigi: helping with hypothetical apt problems is impossible |
| 16:59.08 | koskoz | I have free unpartitionned space which I'd like to merge with my / partition under debian squeeze |
| 16:59.12 | Mephisto | it happens quite fast, so of course, video in motion seems to be smoother, but it's not. It looks like somebody's drilling a hole nearby and that causes static noise. |
| 16:59.33 | Mephisto | shifting layers |
| 16:59.37 | dutchfish | koskoz, and those partitions are now not under th ehood of lvm2, right? |
| 17:00.00 | Mephisto | that makes it uncomfortable to watch movies. Also, video format doesn't matter either. |
| 17:00.04 | scwizard | I swear the PATH gets set by like a million different programs |
| 17:00.09 | scwizard | the "default PATH" is in 50 different places |
| 17:00.14 | koskoz | dutchfish: woot? |
| 17:00.39 | dutchfish | koskoz, i meant, those partition already there, are setup without lvm2? |
| 17:00.44 | scwizard | when I remove the path being set in /etc/profile |
| 17:00.46 | koskoz | dutchfish: yes |
| 17:01.00 | scwizard | and I remove the definition from login.defs |
| 17:01.04 | cousin_luigi | themill: It's not exacly a debian setup I'm using, but I don't know where else to ask. |
| 17:01.10 | scwizard | I'm left with this default path for root: /sbin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin |
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| 17:01.27 | scwizard | and this default path for normal users: /usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/bin/X11:/usr/games |
| 17:01.36 | scwizard | it's the default path behind the default path behind the default path |
| 17:01.39 | dutchfish | koskoz, in that case follow my first link and install kvm2 first, make a lvm partition out of the free space and start converting as described |
| 17:01.47 | scwizard | pathception u_u |
| 17:02.14 | Mephisto | i'm using nvidia now. Before i used my integrated ATI radeon. Same thing. |
| 17:02.21 | dutchfish | koskoz, when you have done that, you can reclaim to old space of the curent partition and add that to the physical lvm partition |
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| 17:02.41 | koskoz | dutchfish: this link? |
| 17:02.46 | dutchfish | koskoz, after that you can extend or create logical partions and eventually grow them if needed |
| 17:03.01 | tsavory | still can't get the spool to clear can't get lprm to work how do I find the request id |
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| 17:03.27 | Mephisto | alright, so nobody knows. |
| 17:03.47 | dutchfish | koskoz, but start with reading the docs about lvm, so you have a firm understanding before you start |
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| 17:04.01 | sidney | is there a way to repair Debian from the disk |
| 17:04.06 | dutchfish | koskoz, its not hard, it just needs carefull planning ahead |
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| 17:04.45 | karlpinc | koskoz: ibm developerworks has a good lvm article. (Although I find reading the man pages is sufficient, if I pay attention.) |
| 17:04.46 | koskoz | dutchfish I'm resizing my server for 3 hours now >< |
| 17:05.29 | dutchfish | koskoz, well, to be honest my first time it did it, took me a day, but don't let that scare you ;) |
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| 17:05.51 | dutchfish | koskoz, most of the time went into reading all the docs |
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| 17:06.41 | dutchfish | koskoz, i like this for a starterdoc http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/410 |
| 17:06.55 | karlpinc | koskoz: lvm rocks, but it's yet another thing. The only real problems are this: If you've mulitple physical devices that are part of a single lvm volume group and one device goes bad you lose the whole volume group. So, backups. Some also like to do lvm on raid1. Second, if you ever have to trace a disk block number back to the raw device it's a pain. |
| 17:07.10 | cousin_luigi | themill: Do you have any recommendations? |
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| 17:07.31 | karlpinc | koskoz: lvm is easy, once you understand the concepts/vocabulary. There's only about 5 vocabulary words, but you do need to understand them. |
| 17:07.33 | koskoz | the thing is, I'm not sure I'm allowed to use LVM |
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| 17:07.53 | dutchfish | koskoz, allowed? |
| 17:08.08 | karlpinc | It's those dreaded lvm police again! |
| 17:08.27 | koskoz | dutchfish: It's not my server |
| 17:08.34 | dutchfish | ic |
| 17:08.49 | dutchfish | ask |
| 17:08.50 | themill | cousin_luigi: the only thing I can guess in the absence of details is that you are offering a Provides for a dependency that has a version specification on it (something like Depends: foo (>= 1.2)). If there are versioned deps, Provides are ignored and only real packages (not virtual packages) can satisfy them. |
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| 17:11.20 | cousin_luigi | themill: do you mind a PM? |
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| 17:14.07 | fasta | Which tool outputting disk usage corresponds to df -h output? |
| 17:14.32 | fasta | I have tried several and they give wildly different answers (75% difference). |
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| 17:15.33 | koskoz | how can I see unpartitioned space? When I tape fdisk -l this is what I get http://pastebin.com/N0sefaKU |
| 17:15.41 | koskoz | do I have unpartitioned space? |
| 17:15.58 | fasta | koskoz: gparted is a good tool for that. |
| 17:16.09 | koskoz | fasta: gparted use a gui |
| 17:16.31 | fasta | koskoz: you didn't specify that constraint. In that case you can also use parted. |
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| 17:18.20 | zeref-Lap | Mephisto |
| 17:18.25 | Mephisto | ja |
| 17:18.26 | Mephisto | :) |
| 17:18.50 | zeref-Lap | do all you player do that.. eg: vlc xine?? |
| 17:18.56 | Mephisto | yep. Absolutely all of them. |
| 17:19.08 | Mephisto | VLC, SMPlayer, Totem.. same. |
| 17:19.11 | zeref-Lap | o0o0 |
| 17:19.12 | Mephisto | so it doesnt' depend on a player. |
| 17:19.15 | Mephisto | yep, that's weird. |
| 17:19.30 | zeref-Lap | and you are using nvidia... |
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| 17:19.56 | Mephisto | yep, but before i used my integrated ATI and i got me discreet nvidia one just to see if it makes any difference. |
| 17:19.57 | Mephisto | nope. |
| 17:20.13 | zeref-Lap | hmmmm.... |
| 17:20.24 | staropram | The Nvidia one should be fine |
| 17:20.34 | Mephisto | i mean.. now it looks a bit different, but it doesn't make big change. Still the same disturbing. If using ATI i had multiple lines like that, like someone's really scratching something then with nvidia i can see bigger shifting blocks. |
| 17:20.36 | staropram | Otherwise, is there an option for anti-tearing in the config menu? |
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| 17:20.39 | Mephisto | but the same effect basically |
| 17:20.41 | zeref-Lap | umm, run vlc in terminal and see what the output messages are |
| 17:20.50 | Mephisto | staropram, i tried that back on ATI!!! |
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| 17:21.02 | Mephisto | staropram, it kinda fixed it, BUT... it was slow. |
| 17:21.04 | staropram | Mephisto: hmm, that usually works |
| 17:21.11 | Mephisto | never tried on nvidia though. |
| 17:21.13 | Mephisto | let me see.... |
| 17:21.27 | Mephisto | good thing you know what i'm talking about though. |
| 17:21.29 | staropram | Mephisto: yeah the anti-tearing has a performance hit so I guess the card wasn't beefy enough with that on |
| 17:21.37 | koskoz | in my case (http://pastebin.com/N0sefaKU) if I shrink /dev/sda2 will the free space be before or after it? Cause I've understand that to expand /dev/sda1 (my root partition) I need free space directly following /dev/sda1 |
| 17:21.40 | Mephisto | yeah, this one is discreet and has its own memory |
| 17:21.43 | Mephisto | so let's see if it works. |
| 17:22.53 | Mephisto | hmm... no anti-tearing in nvidia-settings thing |
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| 17:25.39 | Iridos | koskoz, as far as I remember fdisk would show you unpartitioned space and offer you the option to create a partition on it |
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| 17:26.13 | staropram | Mephisto: is there a vsync option? |
| 17:26.17 | Mephisto | yep |
| 17:26.19 | Mephisto | is that it? |
| 17:26.42 | Iridos | koskoz, try it and see with gparted... I think you're shrinking the end, but it'll also offer you to move at the same time |
| 17:26.45 | bs0d | Can anyone please name me a _working_ graphical solution to managing internet connections in Debian? vpn connections in particular? Im already in despair, seems, that there is no normal solution to this at all in linux |
| 17:27.07 | Mephisto | ah no.. |
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| 17:27.14 | Mephisto | no vsync, but "sync to VBlank" thing.. |
| 17:27.37 | Mephisto | also "Allow flipping" |
| 17:27.42 | Mephisto | dunno what that even means.. |
| 17:28.17 | tremon | bs0d: I would point you to kvpnc or network-manager-vpnc, but their description doesn't say whether they work |
| 17:28.24 | staropram | Mephiso: that's it sync to VBlank, does that fix it? |
| 17:28.37 | Mephisto | staropram, let me try. |
| 17:28.49 | Mephisto | it was disable |
| 17:28.49 | Mephisto | d |
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| 17:29.35 | Mephisto | nope... same thing :( |
| 17:29.47 | Mephisto | but hang on.. i'll be back in 15 mins.. hungry |
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| 17:29.59 | bs0d | I have tried those .. network-manager allows to establish only one connection at a time .. if I have 3 vpn connections configured, it allows to run only one of those, all others become grayed.. and I need to run at least 2 of them at a time |
| 17:30.09 | staropram | Mephisto: ok then I give up, assuming you have the lastest drivers I don't know what the problem is |
| 17:30.54 | bs0d | tremon and kvpnc writes me a bunch of errors while trying to import openvpn configuration file, kind of it cannot copy ca.crt file for some reason and such ( run as root ) .. strange |
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| 17:32.31 | tremon | and http://www.infradead.org/openconnect/ ? |
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| 17:33.23 | Russel-Athletic | ok this is a weird question: i just killed half of my debian system by removing directories is there a way to reinstall it without doing a reinstall? |
| 17:33.43 | tremon | Russel-Athletic: aptitude reinstall ~i |
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| 17:34.22 | mosno | you probably want to run that apt/dpkg self-check stuff first, no? |
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| 17:35.06 | Russel-Athletic | ? |
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| 17:35.36 | Russel-Athletic | oh... i don't think it will work... it probably needs /var, right? |
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| 17:36.13 | Ho^Oh | Is there an alternative tool I can use to create GUID partitions? |
| 17:36.19 | tremon | yes it does |
| 17:36.28 | tremon | Ho^Oh: alternative? |
| 17:36.47 | Ho^Oh | Well, alternate from what I know about (gdisk). |
| 17:36.50 | bs0d | is anyone using NetworkManager here? |
| 17:37.04 | tremon | Ho^Oh: (g)parted can handle them |
| 17:37.09 | Ho^Oh | I shoulv'e asked "The native way to do it". |
| 17:37.11 | bs0d | Its really hard to believe that all of you run everything from the command line |
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| 17:37.40 | tremon | bs0d: it's because we don't trust graphics designers to do things right |
| 17:37.45 | Ho^Oh | Problem is, I'm creating partitions using commandline. |
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| 17:39.34 | sidney | I use the business card install would the cd/dvd install be more completely configured? |
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| 17:39.44 | tremon | Ho^Oh: why is that a problem? |
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| 17:40.30 | tremon | sidney: no, the install procedure is the same. Business card just relies on the 'net |
| 17:41.31 | sidney | so the cd is not configured more like ubuntu |
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| 17:43.55 | Ho^Oh | tremon: I don't know the commandline equivlent for it, unless it's fdisk you're talking about. |
| 17:44.55 | tremon | equivalent for what? you asked for an alternative to gdisk, so I suggested parted |
| 17:45.07 | jhutchins_wk | bs0d: The command line is much more powerful. In a GUI you can only do what somebody else set up for you to do. |
| 17:45.16 | jhutchins_wk | bs0d: Did you have a question about Network Manager? |
| 17:45.17 | staropram | bs0d: I hate NetworkManager. I use wicd but only when managing wireless networks |
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| 17:45.29 | somiaj | sidney: if you want a more configured desktop installed by default, look at the debian-live cd's (There is a kde, gnome, xfce and lxde version) in which will install a whole desktop (but requires about a gig of space, so a dvd or a thumb drive) |
| 17:45.39 | staropram | bs0d: otherwise cli |
| 17:45.45 | somiaj | sidney: though using tasksel or installing the desktop enviroment will give you a very similar setup. |
| 17:45.46 | Ho^Oh | tremon: Oh my bad, I didn't noticed the (g). |
| 17:45.48 | jhutchins_wk | staropram: imo NM surpassed wicd with the squeeze release. |
| 17:45.57 | Ho^Oh | Thought you were only implying gparted. |
| 17:46.03 | tsavory | ok fianlly got the printer to quit printing nothing now to make the printer grab the right ppd file anyone know good documentation to achieve this? |
| 17:46.31 | jhutchins_wk | !cups |
| 17:46.32 | dpkg | CUPS (formerly Common UNIX Printing System) provides a portable printing layer for UNIX-based operating systems and supports the Internet Printing Protocol. To install, ask me about <cups setup>. See also <debug cups>. http://cups.org/articles.php?L+TFAQ http://www.cups.org/ ##cups on irc.freenode.net. |
| 17:46.34 | staropram | ] |
| 17:46.44 | staropram | sorry that was the siamese |
| 17:47.49 | somiaj | jhutchins_wk: which is unforntante, I thought wicd had much saner depends. |
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| 17:51.27 | jhutchins_wk | somiaj: Depends on whether you tie it in to Gnome or KDE. |
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| 17:51.40 | staropram | jhutchins_wk: I prefer to keep things modular and simple, I don't like the way nm seems to put its tentacles everywhere |
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| 17:51.53 | balzac5000 | How does one set up sysklogd in Squeeze to receive logging via UDP from other servers? There is no place to put a SYSLOGD="-r" line in /etc/init.d/sysklogd |
| 17:51.54 | somiaj | yea I use neither, and try to avoid consolkit and policykit... |
| 17:51.56 | tsavory | jhutchins_wk Cups is installed and runing but is not working right I have the hp drivers from the deb package but they are not active I guess and I have a Laserjet.ppd that was created though webmin but it won't print since the ppd is not loading |
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| 17:53.16 | jhutchins_wk | tsavory: Webmin is pretty notorious here, I wouldn't trust anything created by it. |
| 17:53.27 | jhutchins_wk | tsavory: Links to setup and troubleshooting in the factoid above. |
| 17:53.44 | balzac5000 | Jesus - its in /etc/default/sysklogd. This is NOT on the man page! |
| 17:53.55 | jhutchins_wk | tsavory: If the Debian packaged don't have a ppd you like you can go to http://openprinting.org |
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| 17:59.02 | Mephisto | statopram, back. I don't think those are the latest, but yet i don't think even these drivers can't handle it. |
| 17:59.06 | engla | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:02.13 | tsavory | jhutchins_wk the deb package has some I could use it appears but they are not loading just the cups stuff |
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| 18:15.24 | usotsuki[alt] | trying to figure my way around a rather bizarre pre-installation situation. |
| 18:15.47 | usotsuki[alt] | my last box the HD bit the dust, so I took out my spare and figured I'd try putting testing on it |
| 18:16.23 | usotsuki[alt] | the only other box I have at hand runs 32-bit Windows XP, and that box I want to run 64-bit Debian |
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| 18:17.35 | usotsuki[alt] | inb4 "just get to the damn point already": been Ring the FM and I'm still failing to get the installer (I'm using unetbootin, mb that's part of the prob too) to see the .fw for the Realtek NIC it has. |
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| 18:19.42 | tremon | usotsuki[alt]: is the installer asking for firmware? |
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| 18:20.47 | usotsuki[alt] | tremon, Yes |
| 18:21.24 | usotsuki[alt] | I just have this one stick, it's 8 GB |
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| 18:21.36 | tremon | so far so good. You have already found http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/firmware/ I assume? And used the firmware for squeeze? |
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| 18:22.06 | usotsuki[alt] | I downloaded an installer called "firmware-testing-amd64-netinst.iso" |
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| 18:22.36 | usotsuki[alt] | it was http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/daily-builds/wheezy_d-i/current/amd64/iso-cd/firmware-testing-amd64-netinst.iso |
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| 18:22.47 | tremon | then you'd need the testing firmware obviously ;) |
| 18:22.53 | usotsuki[alt] | yeah |
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| 18:23.13 | tremon | in general, it's better to use the stable installer even if you're going to install testing |
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| 18:23.17 | usotsuki[alt] | aa |
| 18:23.36 | tremon | waits for the hordes advocating not to install testing directly, but to install stable and dist-upgrade |
| 18:23.43 | usotsuki[alt] | I've never run into the "NIC needs firmware" issue before but I was always using 8139 |
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| 18:23.47 | usotsuki[alt] | this is...8168? |
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| 18:24.02 | tremon | could be, I'm not familiar with nic chipsets |
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| 18:25.15 | usotsuki[alt] | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.4/amd64/iso-cd/debian-6.0.4-amd64-netinst.iso <-- so I should use this, right? (I assume there's nothing particularly wrong with going the unetbootin route either?) |
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| 18:25.44 | tremon | usotsuki[alt]: in the installer, alt-f4 gives you the log, this might help you to figure out what's wrong |
| 18:25.55 | tremon | yes that would be the official installer |
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| 18:26.32 | usotsuki[alt] | you can install testing from stable netinst? or can you only dist-upgrade? (I don't update a lot, so once I get a distro up, it usually stays that version) |
| 18:27.06 | tremon | usotsuki[alt]: you can install directly iirc, but it's been a while since I've run an install |
| 18:27.19 | usotsuki[alt] | lol |
| 18:27.28 | kevlarman | usotsuki[alt]: if you don't plan on upgrading it you probably want stable |
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| 18:28.29 | nplus | Hi, I've been using debian for a couple years now and for the most part have stuck with stable releases for software. If I want try a newer kernel (3.2.x) what would I need to do or where can I read about it? |
| 18:29.10 | usotsuki[alt] | usually, I go with stable. but the nature of Debian's "stability" means it might be wiser to go with testing then wait for it to turn into stable |
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| 18:29.46 | tremon | re your unetbootin question, the official way is http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/ch04s03.html |
| 18:29.53 | tremon | either should work |
| 18:30.23 | usotsuki[alt] | official's wiser |
| 18:30.33 | usotsuki[alt] | though, this box is xp :/ |
| 18:30.46 | tremon | ah, yes :) |
| 18:30.53 | sinorev | Hay guyz, having an issue with HID for my USB keyboard and mouse -- keyboard is not detected when reconnected, and mouse is disconnected / reconnected every minute or so... paste at http://pastebin.com/vS6nvLRi |
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| 18:32.19 | leobaillard | hi there ! |
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| 18:32.40 | leobaillard | does anyone know what can prevent bluetoothd from taking into account /etc/bluetooth/main.conf ? |
| 18:32.42 | tremon | sinorev: your mouse issue smells like hardware fault. What debian version? |
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| 18:33.15 | pawwa | Hello #debian |
| 18:33.19 | abrotman | the file isn't readable? |
| 18:33.41 | leobaillard | abrotman: by whom is it read normally ? |
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| 18:34.10 | Rockj | usotsuki[alt]: if you want to use testing, make sure you fetch an image which installs testing directly. http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ (unsure if you can swap release version under install..) . As there is bugs in debian atm. preventing dist-upgrade from stable to testing. |
| 18:34.28 | pawwa | Has anyone came across with an issue when debian installer cannot detect the partition layout on a disk, when using manual partitioning? |
| 18:34.32 | usotsuki[alt] | yeah, might just go with stable |
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| 18:35.45 | Rockj | pawwa: check what the logs says. alt+f4 swaps to the logging window in installer. might be a bad disk? |
| 18:35.53 | pawwa | So, I have existing partitions and system on my SATA hard drive, but the installer doesn't detect them - it only sees one big block device (/dev/sda), with no partitions on it |
| 18:36.34 | usotsuki[alt] | I wonder. Is wheezy the point where all the firmware was finally pulled out? as that could explain it |
| 18:36.34 | Rockj | so the installer doesn't detect the disk at all? |
| 18:36.50 | pawwa | Rockj: it detects the disk, but not the partition table |
| 18:36.59 | tremon | usotsuki[alt]: yes firmware was split before the release of Squeeze |
| 18:37.08 | usotsuki[alt] | Hm. |
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| 18:37.14 | Rockj | pawwa: alt+f2 or f3 to get a console, see what fdisk -l /dev/sda says. |
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| 18:37.27 | Rockj | or is it just fdisk /dev/sda to list the partitions maybe |
| 18:37.38 | bs0d | is it ok, that when I run openvpn command on the command line to establish a connection, a terminal gets blocked with its stdout output? |
| 18:37.41 | usotsuki[alt] | So 6.0.4 might have the same issue unless...I drop firmware.tar.gz in there, or what-all? |
| 18:37.45 | usotsuki[alt] | a bit nup |
| 18:37.56 | pawwa | Rockj: yeah, it detects my partitions in fdisk, and I have already tried fdisk /dev/sda an have written the partition table (w command) |
| 18:37.57 | Rockj | pawwa: fdisk -l /dev/sda , see if it can read it? |
| 18:38.09 | MrStupid | hellow im looking for a batch script to rename my pirated MP3's so the 1 is at the begining of the track and not at the end, does anyone have that batch script? |
| 18:38.27 | tremon | usotsuki[alt]: yes, but at least the stable installer has been tested and verified by multiple people to load firmware correctly |
| 18:38.31 | usotsuki[alt] | yeah |
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| 18:39.11 | usotsuki[alt] | so, getting firmware.tar.gz |
| 18:39.23 | pawwa | I am out of ideas... so came here for help :-) |
| 18:39.27 | usotsuki[alt] | same |
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| 18:39.35 | somiaj | MrStupid: give an example you want to change file1.mp3 to 1file.mp3? |
| 18:40.33 | babilen | MrStupid: Look into "man rename" -- it'll do all you want it to. |
| 18:40.38 | Rockj | pawwa: odd, is the disk >=2TB? |
| 18:40.49 | sinorev | tremon: Squeeze 6.0.4... this works fine with the stock Debian kernel |
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| 18:41.02 | MrStupid | babilen thanks you |
| 18:41.04 | pawwa | Rockj: it is 320GB, SATA, WD |
| 18:41.05 | sinorev | tremon: I'm only having problems with my own kernel config, just can't figure out where it's occurring |
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| 18:41.39 | tremon | sinorev: might be something very simple as a timing problem |
| 18:41.50 | sinorev | hmmm |
| 18:41.56 | sinorev | timing for --? |
| 18:41.57 | pawwa | the only thing that is suspicious in dmesg is a line similar to this one: isofs_fill_super bread failed |
| 18:42.11 | tremon | sinorev: but I'd be looking at the various latency options (kernel tick frequency, preemption) |
| 18:42.27 | Rockj | pawwa: and nothing odd in alt+f4 logging console? odd :( |
| 18:42.32 | tremon | sinorev: timing while talking to the usb controller |
| 18:42.50 | sinorev | ahhh |
| 18:42.51 | pawwa | Rockj: as I saw it, nothing suspicious :-( |
| 18:42.52 | tremon | some usb chipsets can be rather flaky |
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| 18:43.17 | sinorev | yeah... I figured since they got this to work with the stock kernel, I should be able to figure out whatever's wrong :/ |
| 18:43.30 | tremon | pawwa: are you sure the partitioner is not detecting it, not just giving you an empty layout to start with? (undo all changes) |
| 18:43.57 | usotsuki[alt] | the method I'm finding in http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/NetbootFirmware#Squeeze_Example_.232_:_add_debs_from_firmware.tar.gz seems to require "pax" |
| 18:44.46 | tremon | usotsuki[alt]: that's if you want to preload the firmware into the boot image |
| 18:44.54 | usotsuki[alt] | yeah, I...think that's over the top |
| 18:44.57 | tremon | you should be able to just load the firmware after-the-fact |
| 18:45.00 | usotsuki[alt] | yeah |
| 18:45.21 | usotsuki[alt] | though where would I put it? :/ |
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| 18:45.27 | tremon | I wouldn't go there, at least not with another Debian box nearby... |
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| 18:46.08 | tremon | usotsuki[alt]: doen unetbootin create a fat32 partition on the usb stick? |
| 18:46.10 | usotsuki[alt] | yes |
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| 18:46.19 | usotsuki[alt] | that's how I'm able to manipulate it |
| 18:46.24 | gundy | Can someone please remind me, what is the method for selecting defaults for packages that you're going to install? |
| 18:46.37 | tremon | in theory, you can just place your firmware archive in the root |
| 18:46.51 | usotsuki[alt] | the tarball? |
| 18:46.51 | gundy | For example, when you install Postfix, it prompts you to select what configuration. |
| 18:46.51 | tremon | gundy: "defaults for packages" |
| 18:46.58 | tremon | ? |
| 18:47.08 | babilen | tremon: In regard to your earlier "Awaits the hordes ..." -- The point is that both the stable *installer* and the testing one can be used to install testing. The testing installer is, however, not really meant for installing testing, but for testing the installer. We *also* recommend to use the stable installer to install stable first, but that is a separate issue. |
| 18:47.32 | usotsuki[alt] | the tarball, or the loose debs? |
| 18:47.45 | babilen | usotsuki[alt]: Please try the stable installer -- And it looks as if you downloaded an image with firmware anyway. Are you now trying to install via PXE? |
| 18:47.53 | tremon | usotsuki[alt]: the installer should be able to unpack the tarball itself |
| 18:47.57 | usotsuki[alt] | no, I downloaded the stable and am trying that |
| 18:47.59 | tremon | so the tarball is fine |
| 18:48.02 | usotsuki[alt] | ok |
| 18:48.06 | usotsuki[alt] | this is a stable iso this time |
| 18:48.09 | babilen | !tell usotsuki[alt] -about firmware image |
| 18:48.18 | Rockj | pawwa: you able to pastebin the output of fdisk -l ? |
| 18:48.27 | gundy | tremon, It's not often, but sometimes a package asks for user input when installing. I want to do an unattended install and select the options ahead of time. |
| 18:48.31 | tremon | babilen: I know, I was referring to your latter point |
| 18:48.47 | usotsuki[alt] | nice, thanks |
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| 18:48.58 | tremon | gundy: debconf-set-selections I think, but I'm only using that for preseed |
| 18:49.00 | usotsuki[alt] | I was using a Testing version of that |
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| 18:49.17 | gundy | tremon, I think that may be it... thanks! |
| 18:49.19 | usotsuki[alt] | so yeah, I'll try firmware-6.0.4-amd64-netinst.iso |
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| 18:49.45 | babilen | tremon: Great -- Just wanted to clarify this point (while reading backlog -- I saw later that you mentioned something to that effect, but it is just such a common misunderstanding) |
| 18:49.46 | Rockj | babilen: dist-upgrade from stable to testing is broken atm. |
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| 18:49.53 | babilen | Rockj: \o/ |
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| 18:50.05 | nkuttler | Rockj: more, like, constantly |
| 18:50.17 | nkuttler | or if you can't fix it don't upgrade |
| 18:50.21 | babilen | Rockj: Do you have the bug number or is that still #639290, #638950 (broken how?) |
| 18:50.23 | nkuttler | 'upgrade' |
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| 18:50.30 | usotsuki[alt] | for the lulz, I got an IBM XT on freenode, I shoulda just brought that in instead of a winbox xD |
| 18:50.39 | Rockj | babilen: borked: wheezy upgrades (#639290, #638950) |
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| 18:51.19 | daemonkeeper | Someone knows if there is a way to bridge a qemu network interface to my real network _without_ bringing down my main interface? |
| 18:51.23 | babilen | Rockj: Those bugs are known for a long time (taken directly from #d-d's /topic) -- Most people don't seem to run into them though. |
| 18:51.46 | Rockj | babilen: I did run into it, from a clean install just half a month ago in a vm. |
| 18:52.09 | tremon | daemonkeeper: yes there is, but depending on what you're doing you might need both brctl and ebtables |
| 18:52.10 | babilen | Rockj: ack :( |
| 18:52.40 | daemonkeeper | tremon: brctl involves bringing down my interface, as that basically means "ifconfig wlan0|eth0 0.0.0.0; brctl addbr br0; brctl addif br0 wlan0|eth0; brctl addif br0 tap0; ifconfig eth0 up; dhclient br0";? |
| 18:52.41 | Rockj | babilen: could bypass it in hackish way of dpkg -i lots-of-perl-packages at the same time I think.. |
| 18:53.58 | tremon | daemonkeeper: if you mean "while already running" then yes :) |
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| 18:54.22 | tremon | usually you configure a bridge once, and have it setup automatically at boot |
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| 18:54.31 | Rockj | but can you specify target release to install from a stable image? |
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| 18:54.57 | daemonkeeper | tremon: Yes, I realize that. But that's not what I want, given I want it on demand only. |
| 18:55.00 | pawwa | tremon: sorry I was on the phone. Hmmm yeah the installer is giving me an empty layout when it gets to the first screen of partitioning the disk. Haven't tried the 'undo all changes', you thing that it will help? |
| 18:55.39 | tremon | pawwa: you can always try... |
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| 18:56.00 | pawwa | tremon: thanks I will try it. Any other ideas? |
| 18:56.14 | pawwa | before I reboot :-) |
| 18:56.26 | tremon | daemonkeeper: there is no overhead for configuring a bridge with only one member, you can still add other interfaces on-demand |
| 18:57.08 | tremon | pawwa: can't think of anything right now. But do try the earlier suggestion (alt-f2, fdisk -l or cat /proc/partitions) |
| 18:57.47 | Rockj | tremon, pawwa: pastebin of fdisk -l would be nice to see how it looks like. |
| 18:57.48 | daemonkeeper | tremon: That's not my point. Also I am sure there is a way to work around that, as Virtualbox manages to do the same just fine. |
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| 18:58.46 | pawwa | tremon, Rockj: I remember how it looks - it has /dev/sda[1-7] and I think /dev/sda3 is extended, which is odd right? |
| 18:58.47 | Rockj | pawwa: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/debian-26/installer-not-showing-partitions-841919/ looks like a guy had similar issues on the last stable .. but it sounds odd that installer detected it after he just converted second partition from logical to primary .. |
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| 18:59.18 | babilen | daemonkeeper: And you want a real bridge? |
| 18:59.38 | Rockj | pawwa: my tip is to pastebin it , maybe some other clever soul sees something bad in the partition layout or something nifty :) |
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| 19:00.05 | babilen | daemonkeeper: I am using the approach detailed in "1 NAT forwarding (aka "virtual networks")" on http://wiki.libvirt.org/page/Networking just fine with kvm |
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| 19:00.28 | pawwa | Rockj, tremon: thanks guys ;-) I'm going to try some things you suggested. Happy hacking ~ |
| 19:00.31 | tremon | daemonkeeper: virtualbox uses tapd iirc, so it injects packets through its own daemon, not through a kernel bridge |
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| 19:01.11 | ROKO__ | hm |
| 19:01.12 | ROKO__ | hello |
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| 19:01.22 | ROKO__ | i want ask in debian i have strange trouble |
| 19:01.33 | ROKO__ | no icons in apps like |
| 19:01.43 | ROKO__ | guake skype vlc and etc |
| 19:01.47 | ROKO__ | what can cause this |
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| 19:01.55 | Rockj | pawwa: nah, its not odd to have an extended partition at sda3 as you can only have 4 primary partitions. ;) |
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| 19:02.03 | diabel | Can someone tell my why I've got no logs on TTY1 at system boot? (the're disappeared when boot complete and what I've is only 'login' to give the login name) |
| 19:02.07 | tremon | Rockj: too late :p |
| 19:02.17 | Rockj | tremon: noticed. pressed enter as he just left. |
| 19:02.19 | thechef | Is NixOS the nextgen package management? Or just telling us the direction? |
| 19:02.30 | Rockj | he/she |
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| 19:03.35 | ROKO__ | ?!?!?! |
| 19:05.32 | usotsuki[alt] | it still complains |
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| 19:06.31 | daemonkeeper | babilen: I don't care whether the bridge is real (i.e. a kernel level bridge by using tun/tap) or some userspace magic. All I want is a dynamic bridge which adapts to my system's routing table as is. |
| 19:06.59 | acu | firebug does not install properly for iceweasel in Wheezy - anyone has any ideea how to make it work ? |
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| 19:07.12 | Monarquista | #debian-offtopic |
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| 19:07.27 | usotsuki[alt] | the ol' cam-at-the-screen: http://i.imgur.com/P5JPE.jpg |
| 19:07.36 | tremon | usotsuki[alt]: do you get errors in the log? (alt-f4) |
| 19:07.40 | usotsuki[alt] | let me look |
| 19:08.07 | usotsuki[alt] | error to the same extent as what the screen shows |
| 19:08.20 | usotsuki[alt] | saying it needs rtl_nic/rtl8168d-1.fw |
| 19:08.54 | babilen | daemonkeeper: As I said: I am using "virsh net-start default" and it is working just fine. (Or in fact you don't even have to do that with virt-manager) |
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| 19:09.30 | daemonkeeper | babilen: But that looks like as if it were using brctl/tun/tap, too. |
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| 19:10.19 | ROKO__ | anyone does read my messages ? |
| 19:10.34 | babilen | usotsuki[alt]: And that happens with the firmware image? |
| 19:10.57 | usotsuki[alt] | I'm using the iso of stable that has the firmwares on it. Or does it *also* need to be added to /firmware? |
| 19:11.33 | usotsuki[alt] | (or is there a way to just "dd" the iso to a usb stick with xp?) |
| 19:11.37 | tremon | usotsuki[alt]: I'm not sure which firmware is already on that disc. You'd need firmware-realtek_0.28+squeeze1_all.deb |
| 19:11.40 | babilen | usotsuki[alt]: No, but I thought that firmware-realtek is on those images. |
| 19:11.41 | usotsuki[alt] | it's there |
| 19:11.46 | usotsuki[alt] | the file's there |
| 19:11.48 | babilen | ,file rtl8168d-1.fw |
| 19:11.52 | judd | Search for rtl8168d-1.fw in squeeze/i386: firmware-realtek: lib/firmware/rtl_nic/rtl8168d-1.fw |
| 19:12.00 | babilen | usotsuki[alt]: See ^^^ |
| 19:12.13 | usotsuki[alt] | yeah, the "firmware-realtek" .deb is on the image |
| 19:12.15 | kba | karlpinc: if it's of any interest, about the lenny->squeeze issue, they mailed me two hours after, offering to either transfer me to a cloud (they also gave me some free units to test it out), set up a new Squeeze server for me, or have my current server moved to a new Squeeze). So I just choose the latter :-) |
| 19:12.18 | tremon | babilen: it fails to load in the installer |
| 19:12.28 | usotsuki[alt] | ^ |
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| 19:13.11 | tremon | usotsuki[alt]: without an error message in the logs we can only guess. Can you try to load it manually from a shell? (alt-f2)? |
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| 19:13.25 | babilen | usotsuki[alt]: And it is not loaded if you say "Yes" in that screen? |
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| 19:13.38 | usotsuki[alt] | babilen, I did so and it repeats the message after a minute. |
| 19:13.46 | tremon | you should be able use udpkg to extract it manually |
| 19:13.49 | usotsuki[alt] | nod |
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| 19:14.06 | usotsuki[alt] | the error message was just something to the extent of it couldn't load the firmware (-2) |
| 19:14.07 | tremon | (and it should already be extracted by now) |
| 19:14.20 | tremon | -2 is EEXIST? |
| 19:14.35 | usotsuki[alt] | I thought it was -ENOENT? |
| 19:14.52 | tremon | yes, that one :) |
| 19:15.00 | Crajson | Hi, Is there any .iso for debian sid? |
| 19:15.04 | tremon | eexist is "file already exists", enoent is "file not found" |
| 19:15.16 | usotsuki[alt] | yeah |
| 19:15.31 | babilen | Crajson: No, never was and never will be. Install stable and take it from there. |
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| 19:16.08 | Crajson | babilen: Okey, never used debian before so I had no idea.. Just wanna try out the latest, not the stable one. |
| 19:16.24 | usotsuki[alt] | so, I got shell |
| 19:16.28 | tremon | Crajson: if you're starting out, best start with stable |
| 19:16.47 | tremon | testing kind of requires you to know what you're doing already |
| 19:17.05 | babilen | +1 |
| 19:17.16 | usotsuki[alt] | "udpkg -i" the realtek firmware? |
| 19:17.17 | Crajson | tremon: Have used arch and slack for about 7 years |
| 19:17.49 | tremon | usotsuki[alt] I'd make sure that the firmware is there: find /lib/firmware |
| 19:18.05 | tremon | or /lib/firmware/rtl* |
| 19:18.16 | usotsuki[alt] | there's no "firmware" in /lib |
| 19:18.39 | tremon | that would explain the ENOENT... |
| 19:18.51 | usotsuki[alt] | should I mkdir /lib/firmware and try again? |
| 19:18.54 | tremon | Crajson: then don't mind me :) |
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| 19:19.26 | babilen | dpkg: tell Crajson -about squeeze->wheezy |
| 19:19.27 | tremon | usotsuki[alt], no better to just updkg -i if you have the deb |
| 19:19.46 | usotsuki[alt] | aa |
| 19:19.56 | babilen | Crajson: Those instructions have to be adapted for unstable/sid and I would strongly recommend to read http://wiki.debian.org/DebianUnstable |
| 19:20.19 | tremon | usotsuki[alt]: although udpkg usually handles udebs |
| 19:20.39 | usotsuki[alt] | VICTOLY |
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| 19:21.02 | jelly-home | !congratulate usotsuki[alt] |
| 19:21.02 | dpkg | Woohoo usotsuki[alt], you did it! |
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| 19:21.49 | tremon | !next |
| 19:21.49 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
| 19:22.07 | usotsuki[alt] | it was that frelling simple, lol |
| 19:22.17 | jelly-home | tremon: so rude, he's still here! |
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| 19:22.25 | usotsuki[alt] | lol |
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| 19:22.27 | tremon | lol |
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| 19:22.36 | usotsuki[alt] | I'll just stick around lest something horks up. but yeah |
| 19:22.40 | tremon | apologizes |
| 19:22.42 | usotsuki[alt] | I'm already on failnode |
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| 19:23.38 | usotsuki[5160] | I'll lurk here a while with my old 5160 for kicks? xD |
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| 19:26.36 | unkmar | why would udevd be using 100% cpu? |
| 19:26.43 | _nice_ | hi, got a problem, just ubdating debian (apt-get upgrade) and now i'm getting the error "error: cannot read from `/dev/sdb'." all the time >.< what should i do? can i stop the process? |
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| 19:28.16 | tremon | _nice_: what's /dev/sdb? |
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| 19:31.08 | _nice_ | tremon: /dev/sdb is running with /dev/sda in a software-raid (or better said the partitions) "cat /proc/mdstat" doesn't show any errors |
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| 19:32.35 | tremon | _nice_: can you see which processing is trying to read /dev/sdb (eg with lsof)? |
| 19:32.36 | _nice_ | tremon: i'm getting timeouts on the services running on the server, if that helps you |
| 19:32.59 | tremon | _nice_: and mdstat isn't showing failures yet? |
| 19:33.06 | unkmar | usb memory drive crashed? |
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| 19:33.14 | _nice_ | tremon: no |
| 19:33.22 | tremon | hopes it's raid1 |
| 19:33.27 | _nice_ | unkmar: usb? |
| 19:33.52 | _nice_ | tremon: /dev/md0 = raid0 (swap) - the others raid1 |
| 19:33.59 | unkmar | _nice_: in my case. reason for 100% cpu. |
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| 19:34.24 | _nice_ | no, one core (of 8) on ~50% |
| 19:34.37 | peace | devel channel ? |
| 19:34.45 | _nice_ | tremon: there is no lsof installed >.< |
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| 19:35.05 | peace | !devel |
| 19:35.08 | peace | -,.- |
| 19:35.39 | ParkerR | peace, #debian-devel is invire only |
| 19:35.44 | ParkerR | *invite |
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| 19:35.52 | tremon | and with dpkg looping, you can't install it either... then use either top or iotop to kill the topmost IO process... |
| 19:36.12 | jelly-home | ParkerR: it's on irc.oftc.net ! |
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| 19:36.24 | ParkerR | jelly-home, Oh cool |
| 19:36.35 | ParkerR | I've heard of oftc but havent looked into it |
| 19:37.07 | peace | ParkerR: i need to speak with packagers |
| 19:37.14 | peace | because i did a vlc service menu |
| 19:37.17 | bool | when I enter domain name when installing debian, where is it stored? |
| 19:37.37 | _nice_ | tremon: init? ^^ |
| 19:37.41 | babilen | ParkerR: irc.debian.org points to irc.oftc.net and development channel (+ another #debian) are on that network. See "/msg dpkg oftc move" for further details on the move. |
| 19:37.43 | tremon | bool: /etc/hosts and possibly /etc/resolv.conf |
| 19:37.58 | bool | tremon, no |
| 19:37.58 | tremon | _nice_: I wouldn't kill that unless I had no other choice |
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| 19:38.23 | bool | tremon, sorry.. i missed it |
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| 19:38.43 | acu | hey anyone made Firebug - work on Iceweasel Debian Wheezy - It does not show in tools ? |
| 19:38.53 | ParkerR | babilen, Hehe ok thanks. |
| 19:39.26 | jelly-home | peace: service menu? |
| 19:39.32 | _nice_ | tremon: if it helps: http://pastebin.de/23616 |
| 19:39.41 | Mephisto | i think i found what the problem was. |
| 19:39.55 | peace | jelly-home: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmJJEuv1Mu4 |
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| 19:40.04 | Posterdati | hi |
| 19:40.23 | Mephisto | compiz makes video to be rendered differently for some reason. |
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| 19:40.32 | tremon | _nice_: that might be os-prober and is harmless (though if you have no other OS installed, you can remove it) |
| 19:40.37 | Mephisto | i turned it off, distortion has dissappeared. |
| 19:40.50 | Posterdati | it is possible to write the string "1969 1083" in /sys/bus/pci/drivers/atl1c/new_id using sysctl? |
| 19:41.19 | jelly-home | peace: kde / Dolphin only? |
| 19:41.28 | _nice_ | tremon: what do you mean? |
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| 19:41.49 | peace | jelly-home: well yes i don't know how to do that on nautilus |
| 19:41.54 | jelly-home | !kde |
| 19:41.55 | dpkg | K Desktop Environment (KDE) is based on the Qt toolkit. See http://www.kde.org/ for release news and other details. Not a window manager. To get or delete KDE, ask me about <install kde> or <remove kde> respectively. Ask your KDE questions in #debian-kde (irc.oftc.net), see also <kde_trouble>. http://wiki.debian.org/KDE KDE-related IRC channels: http://userbase.kde.org/IRC_Channels |
| 19:42.00 | kevlarman | Posterdati: i'd assume bus.pci.drivers.atl1c.new_id |
| 19:42.06 | jelly-home | peace: you might find some of them in there ^^ |
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| 19:42.14 | kevlarman | if i'm remembering mmap_min_addr correctly anyway |
| 19:42.14 | Posterdati | kevlarman: there isn't such a variable |
| 19:42.15 | tremon | _nice_: the progress so far looks normal, apart from the /dev/sdb messages |
| 19:42.20 | jelly-home | peace: irc://irc.oftc.net/#debian-kde |
| 19:42.38 | _nice_ | tremon: yes, but it is standing now for ~30 min |
| 19:42.48 | tremon | many tools in update-initramfs try to scan all block devices |
| 19:42.57 | tremon | _nice_: that doesn't look normal |
| 19:43.32 | peace | jelly-home: nice thank you |
| 19:43.33 | _nice_ | tremon: and all my services are giving timeouts, work again and then again a timeout - and the system is not overloaded |
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| 19:44.22 | tremon | still worries for those _nice_ disks |
| 19:44.45 | peace | bye |
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| 19:45.02 | tremon | you might try to kill update-initramfs but the fact that it's taking so long suggests to me that your disk is timing out on its reads |
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| 19:45.27 | tremon | do you have smartmontools installed? |
| 19:45.38 | ParkerR | What are some programs to manage hotkeys? Installed debian server then manually installed x org and openbox |
| 19:45.59 | ParkerR | Wanting something that doesn't pull a bunch of extra stuff |
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| 19:48.05 | _nice_ | tremon: ps aux | grep apt && ps aux | grep dpkg isn't giving any result |
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| 19:48.37 | _nice_ | no haven't got them |
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| 19:49.47 | tremon | _nice_: does it still respond to ctrl-alt-del? |
| 19:50.15 | _nice_ | i'm remote on the server |
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| 19:50.28 | _nice_ | the other connections are still working |
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| 19:51.51 | tremon | if you can open a new shell session, you can forcibly terminate the one you're in |
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| 19:52.23 | tremon | but if dpkg and apt are already undead, I don't think you can avoid a reboot |
| 19:52.52 | _nice_ | Generating grub.cfg ... |
| 19:53.04 | _nice_ | don't think i want to do that :/ |
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| 19:54.58 | tremon | _nice_: I see your point. cat /boot/grub/grub.cfg from another terminal? |
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| 20:00.49 | bool | why should i enter gateway, network and broadcast address if they are optional? network and broadcast can be calculated from ip and gateway. will i benefit in increased speed or something? |
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| 20:01.06 | jhutchins_wk | What's the command that lets you see/set link speed/autonegotiations/errors? |
| 20:01.30 | tremon | jhutchins_wk: ip link show? |
| 20:01.43 | _nice_ | tremon: http://pastebin.de/23620 |
| 20:01.55 | _nice_ | look ok to me |
| 20:02.09 | jhutchins_wk | THat's not giving me link speed. |
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| 20:02.38 | tremon | jhutchins_wk: I see, it's not giving transmission statistics either |
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| 20:03.13 | xavia | jhutchins_wk, ethtool I believe is what you're looking for |
| 20:03.15 | jexmex | got a story I think you guys will appreciate.....my under a year old ATI card had problems displaying output with vga port in windows with ATI's drivers(half the screen would be shifted off to the left). I also have had problems with it falsely reporting temperatures as high as 127C (when 3 seconds before it would be 50C). I took it out and was using onboard, until I installed linux the other day. Put |
| 20:03.16 | jexmex | it back in used VGA port, no a problem using whatever driver ships with debian |
| 20:03.25 | tremon | _nice_: yes looks fine |
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| 20:03.35 | _nice_ | ok, thx :) |
| 20:03.39 | jexmex | so thank you debian for doing a better job then ATI :) |
| 20:03.49 | _nice_ | so lets see what the reboot brings |
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| 20:04.13 | tremon | _nice_: I hope it's not that remote, be prepared for local rescue |
| 20:04.28 | _nice_ | thats a root server ^^ |
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| 20:04.56 | _nice_ | but i'll first get a backup down from my important stuff |
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| 20:25.58 | _nice_ | tremon still there? take a look at this http://pastebin.de/23623 |
| 20:26.23 | bantamug | hi folks - what's the correct way to auto-switch sound output to devices depending on presence? e.g. if i plug in a USB headset, I want sound in/out to go there, if i unplug it, I want sound in/out to go to my soundcard... |
| 20:26.46 | Anthro | I am trying to find a package I only vaguely remember. It was to X11 what screen is to terminals. Does anyone know what I'm talking about? |
| 20:27.10 | Anthro | I don't think VNC was involved, but I'm not 100% sure. |
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| 20:31.01 | Anthro | Ah! Found xpra, which seems to be what I want. |
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| 20:33.35 | _nice_ | can someone tell me if i'm fucked or if i'm fucked for shure --- http://pastebin.de/23624 |
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| 20:35.26 | kevlarman | _nice_: those are some pretty scary numbers |
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| 20:41.57 | Iridos | _nice_, I would guess that's not the whole story? |
| 20:42.34 | _nice_ | iridos what do you mean |
| 20:42.46 | Iridos | well, do you have any problems with the drive? |
| 20:43.34 | Iridos | _nice_, dunno... on buying a PC, the company cheated me and one drive was obviously older than the other (higher smart pwer-on-hours) and... well, that looked somewhat similar |
| 20:43.37 | _nice_ | timeouts on services |
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| 20:43.51 | _nice_ | iridos thats a root server |
| 20:44.34 | Iridos | but it was one of 2 drives in a mirroring raid and so I kept it on... the numbers kept increasing, but I never got any IO errors or other stuff |
| 20:45.02 | Iridos | (and sadly I only noticed after the warranty had run out /o\ - lesson for the future, on buying a harddisk, look at its SMART records) |
| 20:45.19 | Cyclohexane | how do i grep for "Invalid user" and then pipe the output to sed that further refines the output down to jsut the IP address? e.g. grep "Invalid user" record.log | sed "some/regex/here" |
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| 20:45.25 | Iridos | _nice_, hm, then your dmesg output should be full of IO errors? |
| 20:45.53 | Iridos | Cyclohexane, you're nearly there, keep going :D |
| 20:46.00 | babilen | _nice_: What's wrong with those numbers? |
| 20:46.25 | Cyclohexane | Iridos: issue is with my regex in the sed command I think :P.. |
| 20:48.15 | babilen | _nice_: Or rather: There is nothing wrong with those numbers as *none* (AFAICT) exceeds the threshold -- I am not sure how you get the impression that you are fucked as you so eloquently put it. You might want to read "man smartctl" and in particular the section on "-A attributes" therein. |
| 20:49.20 | Iridos | Cyclohexane, you need sed 's/pattern//;s/otherpattern//' or you could get friends with awk and forget about grep and sed both |
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| 20:50.07 | Iridos | actually it's a policy of mine to not cater to any laziness but my own... |
| 20:50.12 | Iridos | dpkg, what's my ip |
| 20:50.12 | dpkg | To get your IP address: /sbin/ifconfig -a | grep "inet addr" | sed -e 's/^.*inet addr://' -e 's/ .*$//', or /sbin/ifconfig -a | awk '/inet addr:/{sub("addr:","");print $2}', or hostname -i, or "ip a s eth0 | grep inet | cut -d' ' -f6", or /sbin/ifconfig eth0|perl -ne 'if /addr:s*d+.\d+\.\d+\.\d+/ {print qq|$1n|}', or wget -O- checkip.dyndns.org 2>/dev/null|perl -pe 's/.+Address:\ [\d\.]+<.+/$1/;' |
| 20:51.00 | Cyclohexane | bit long winded? XD |
| 20:51.30 | Iridos | it's a matter of choice! |
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| 20:52.01 | babilen | Iridos: No, it is not. As "If the Normalized value is less than or equal to the Threshold value, then the Attribute is said to have failed. If the Attribute is a pre-failure Attribute, then disk failure is imminent." So: High values == good |
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| 20:53.50 | Iridos | what? |
| 20:53.52 | babilen | _nice_: ^^^ relevant part from "man smartctl" I was referring to earlier |
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| 20:54.20 | Iridos | babilen, not for stuff like "seek error rate" (raw value) |
| 20:55.56 | babilen | Iridos: wrong |
| 20:56.01 | jhutchins_wk | I used to have a script that posted my IP address to the web (before free dyndns), and it wasn't that complex. |
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| 20:56.36 | babilen | Iridos: Please read the section I've mentioned earlier. If there would have been an error ' If the AttributeĀ“s current Normalized value is less than or equal to the threshold value, then the "WHEN_FAILED" column will display "FAILING_NOW"' |
| 20:56.53 | jhutchins_wk | I managed to kill the DEC VMS that hosted the file though - it had infinite version retention, and I filled the hard disk with 15 character files. |
| 20:58.11 | Iridos | babilen, yes, fairysnuff - that doesn't apply for the raw value stat, though, which just counts occurances - I get your point that the drive is still from the point where smart diagnoses it to fail |
| 20:59.19 | Innocentus | hi |
| 20:59.30 | babilen | Iridos: Ah, I get what you mean now |
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| 20:59.46 | babilen | yay! understanding was reached! :) |
| 20:59.53 | Innocentus | I want to do something crazy, I want to add a symlink to a shared folder on a remote windows computer |
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| 21:00.03 | Innocentus | is this possible, it would be really helpful for me |
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| 21:00.19 | Innocentus | the symlink itself should also point to another folder in the same shared folder |
| 21:00.32 | Iridos | babilen, indeed, on a lot (most/all) of healthy drives, the raw values for Seek_Error_Rate and specially Hardware_ECC_Recovered is "0" |
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| 21:01.08 | Innocentus | currently I get operation not supported when I issue the command ln -s /samba-share/test/ mysymlink |
| 21:01.18 | Innocentus | I use cifs for mounting the samba shares |
| 21:01.28 | Iridos | babilen, *sigh* although mine looks similar on sda /o\ |
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| 21:02.19 | babilen | Iridos: Don't worry -- Mine does too :) |
| 21:02.40 | kevlarman | Innocentus: first of all, depending on the fs it might not support symlinks |
| 21:02.53 | kevlarman | second of all i doubt samba supports creating them |
| 21:03.30 | Innocentus | ok |
| 21:03.41 | Innocentus | so are there virtual symlinks emulated by cifs itself? |
| 21:03.57 | Innocentus | .ink files (the shortcuts used by windows) aren't supported altough this would be a nice feature |
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| 21:05.20 | kevlarman | Innocentus: ntfs *does* support symlinks to directories |
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| 21:05.30 | kevlarman | but you'll probably need windows to create it |
| 21:06.04 | kevlarman | Innocentus: .lnk files are *not* symlinks |
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| 21:06.14 | Innocentus | yes |
| 21:06.23 | kevlarman | Innocentus: they're closer to .desktop files on linux |
| 21:06.29 | Innocentus | ah right |
| 21:06.30 | Innocentus | windows is worse |
| 21:06.50 | Innocentus | can symlinks on samba shares emulated on client cifs driver level |
| 21:07.11 | arthurdent | what do you call it when the display is powered by a cpu with no video acceleration? |
| 21:08.11 | arthurdent | like when there is no acceleration |
| 21:08.23 | arthurdent | i already said that, whoops |
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| 21:09.35 | Iridos | babilen, I'm disgusted! |
| 21:09.47 | kupo | I'm getting some trouble using debian installer to setup software raid1 |
| 21:09.57 | Iridos | babilen, the other drive is better... but that also switches off quite a bit |
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| 21:10.14 | kupo | I tried both the squeeze and wheezy iso's flashed to usb |
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| 21:11.29 | Iridos | babilen, no, actually /dev/sdb is perfect - as I would hope/expect all values that indicate any type of failure is 0 |
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| 21:15.50 | Iridos | _nice_, seems we could establish that what you get is rather normal... even with a small sample of disks :P |
| 21:16.18 | _nice_ | iridos, what do you mean? |
| 21:16.29 | Iridos | what babilen said |
| 21:16.37 | _nice_ | i checked my disks at home and they ain't anywhere near that |
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| 21:18.39 | Iridos | _nice_, which of the values do you see that is close to "THRESH" |
| 21:19.56 | _nice_ | iridos: Reallocated_Sector_Ct |
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| 21:21.08 | _nice_ | iridos: 5 Reallocated_Sector_Ct 0x0033 033 033 036 Pre-fail Always FAILING_NOW 2760 |
| 21:21.30 | Iridos | huh? |
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| 21:21.35 | Iridos | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:21.51 | Iridos | says your pastebin (the disk that's worse) |
| 21:23.36 | edju | An external hd, when mounted, shows 218GB total space, 188MB used, and 208GB remaining. ls -al shows no files at all. It's formatted ext3. What might account for the discrepancy? |
| 21:24.12 | _nice_ | "FAILING_NOW" |
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| 21:24.55 | kd123 | edju: ext3 saves 5% for itself |
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| 21:25.04 | kd123 | by default |
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| 21:26.12 | edju | kd123, Yes, but why that 10GB used? |
| 21:26.37 | edju | Oh, that's the 5% |
| 21:26.51 | kd123 | Yep :) |
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| 21:27.00 | edju | Wow! |
| 21:27.22 | kd123 | I believe it uses it for defrag and keeping things in order |
| 21:28.18 | dondelelcaro | edju: those are just blocks reserved for the superuser. |
| 21:28.18 | kd123 | you can specify the amount reserved I believe when you format it |
| 21:28.26 | dondelelcaro | edju: you can use tune2fs to adjust it |
| 21:28.39 | dondelelcaro | edju: the idea is to avoid normal users running the filesystem completely out of space |
| 21:29.24 | edju | Got it. Thanks. |
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| 21:29.37 | kd123 | dondelelcaro: is there any harm in reducing the percentage below 5%? |
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| 21:31.23 | dondelelcaro | kd123: potentially, yes, but it depends on the filesystem and where it's mounted |
| 21:31.35 | dondelelcaro | has lots of filesystems where there are no reserved blocks at all |
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| 21:31.51 | dondelelcaro | (and how big the filesystem is, too) |
| 21:32.11 | kd123 | doesn't that space help fsck run faster? |
| 21:32.32 | kd123 | by giving it space to move stuff around |
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| 21:34.18 | steven43126 | kd123: fsck doesn't defrag, it just verifies then filesystem |
| 21:35.09 | kd123 | I see... Is there no need to defrag on ext2/ext3/ext4 filesystems? |
| 21:35.25 | dondelelcaro | kd123: there can be, but generally not a huge need |
| 21:35.38 | r3m | Hi, I have remove mpd but i erase config files manually instead of using purge...; now i try to install it but its broken. I create an empty mpd.conf file and try purge but some other file are missing... so now i cant have mpd, anyway to fix it please? |
| 21:35.47 | dondelelcaro | kd123: for cases where that is a problem, BTRFS and ZFS are probably the right solution |
| 21:36.09 | steven43126 | kd123: when an fsck has run it will tell you how fragmented the system is 0.5% contigous for instance, this is the amount of fragmentation. |
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| 21:36.47 | frostschutz | XFS has a defrag utility, but severe fragmentation rarely ever happens or is avoidable (e.g. randomly downloaded torrents, with clients that dont preallocate files) |
| 21:36.58 | kd123 | steven43126: yeah I've seen that. That's why I thought it performed defrag along with verification |
| 21:37.22 | steven43126 | kd123: nope, just a statistic :) |
| 21:38.05 | kd123 | steven43126: oh ok... Is there a defrag command for ext filesystems? |
| 21:38.49 | steven43126 | kd123: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ext3#Defragmentation |
| 21:39.32 | kd123 | ok thanks for the clarification steven43126, dodelelcaro, and frostschutz |
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| 21:42.47 | _nice_ | iridos: 5 Reallocated_Sector_Ct 0x0033 016 016 036 Pre-fail Always FAILING_NOW 3479 |
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| 21:46.52 | kd123 | r3m: Are you sure you removed all the mpd files?? Are any in /usr/local? |
| 21:47.16 | r3m | kd123 no i dont remove all the files |
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| 21:48.24 | kd123 | r3m: Try searching the filesystem for any mpd files... See if you have any you forgot to delete. Then try to install again via apt-get. |
| 21:49.00 | r3m | kd123: ok thanks i try it |
| 21:49.06 | kd123 | r3m: There's probably a folder somewhere containing some files that's preventing apt-get from reinstalling |
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| 21:52.21 | arthurdent | has anyone ever gotten a Radeon HD 6450 to play nicely with debian? (native screen resolution, 3D acceleration, etc) |
| 21:52.55 | r3m | kd123: ok on my other computer i type "dpkg -L mpd" so now i erase all the file and dir, so i type aptitude install or aptitude reinstall? |
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| 21:53.50 | kd123 | r3m: aptitude install |
| 21:53.53 | r3m | ok |
| 21:54.32 | kd123 | arthurdent: I'm not sure about the Radeon HD6450... I know squeeze's fglrx version is Catalyst 10.9 |
| 21:54.51 | kd123 | arthurdent: and Squeeze backports fglrx version is Catalyst 11.4 |
| 21:55.06 | arthurdent | so should i try fglrx from non-free? |
| 21:55.28 | kd123 | yes fglrx is non-free... |
| 21:55.38 | arthurdent | i mean do you think fglrx is my best bet |
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| 21:56.15 | r3m | kd123: working! thanks a lot, but we need to remove and purge before installing |
| 21:56.49 | kd123 | Yes, i tried the free xorg-radeon drivers with my HD5xxx card and they were not the best |
| 21:57.01 | kd123 | r3m: good I'm glad it's fixed |
| 21:57.06 | kd123 | :) |
| 21:57.06 | r3m | ;] |
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| 21:57.25 | jhutchins_wk | kd123: Um "they were not the best" implies that something else was. |
| 21:57.27 | kd123 | arthurdent: If I was you I'd install the squeeze backports fglrx drivers |
| 21:57.43 | jhutchins_wk | Ok, so I see that's your opinion relative to fglrx. |
| 21:58.04 | kd123 | yeah Fglrx provides non jumpy 3d graphics |
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| 21:58.30 | arthurdent | I'm not really a debian user, I am just trying to solve an issue at my workplace, are backports in the repo? |
| 21:58.52 | kd123 | arthurdent: you need to add the backports repository to your /etc/apt/sources.list file |
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| 21:58.57 | DarkUranium | hey |
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| 21:59.05 | DarkUranium | why is PHP not detecting SSL support for php5_curl? |
| 21:59.18 | DarkUranium | the OS is Debian Squeeze |
| 21:59.39 | kd123 | arthurdent: then issue the command 'sudo apt-get -t squeeze-backports install fglrx-driver fglrx-control' |
| 22:00.17 | arthurdent | kd123: thank you! |
| 22:00.29 | kd123 | you're welcome |
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| 22:02.44 | dondelelcaro | DarkUranium: uh... it does just fine here. |
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| 22:02.52 | DarkUranium | dondelelcaro: well, it doesn't here... |
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| 22:03.04 | dondelelcaro | DarkUranium: what's the output of php -i; ? dpkg -l php5-curl? |
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| 22:03.38 | DarkUranium | which part of php -i? |
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| 22:03.54 | dondelelcaro | DarkUranium: the whole output. Use a paste site. |
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| 22:06.26 | DarkUranium | dondelelcaro: hrm, someone seems to have installed a custom version of libcurl, I think |
| 22:07.38 | dondelelcaro | well, there you go. |
| 22:09.20 | DarkUranium | dondelelcaro: heh, problem solved |
| 22:09.26 | DarkUranium | lucky that I spotted that thing in root |
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| 22:49.52 | riadh | Hi, I just upgraded from lenny to squeeze. Everything works fine, except that durring the install it told me to execute update-from-grub-legacy once I verified that everything worked. |
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| 22:50.22 | riadh | Now that I verified that, I'm not able to execute this command and fully migrate to grub2 |
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| 22:50.24 | riadh | any hint? |
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| 22:52.20 | riadh | ok. it's because it's not update-from... it's upgrade-from... |
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| 22:57.31 | johndoe | how would i write a "find" command that uses "file" to find all PNG images? |
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| 22:59.25 | Alam_Squeeze | johndoe: find / -type f -exec file \{\} \; | grep ": PNG image data, " |
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| 23:00.22 | johndoe | Alam_Squeeze: thanks :) |
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| 23:01.12 | somiaj | johndoe: find /path/to/foo/ -name *png |
| 23:01.29 | R4ndZ | '' |
| 23:01.47 | johndoe | somiaj: thanks, but they dont neccessarily have the file extension |
| 23:01.47 | somiaj | though Alam_Squeeze's is a bit more complete, as it will find files png files that may not actually end in png |
| 23:01.54 | johndoe | yea :) |
| 23:02.02 | somiaj | use -iname if you want to deal with igorning the case |
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| 23:14.52 | makayabou | yep! everything works fine now, with putty also for sure! |
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| 23:21.02 | petrosdou | Hi!I want a link to download Debian AMD 64 bit.I want to install it on my pc. |
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| 23:21.38 | R4ndZ | petrosdou: google? |
| 23:22.11 | jelly-home | petrosdou: do you have a wired internet connection on that pc? |
| 23:22.20 | Woet | if I do a whois on an IP address allocated to RIPE (e.g. 'whois 130.89.149.21') I get information from ARIN too. How do I make it go directly to RIPE? |
| 23:22.34 | Woet | I could specify 'whois -h whois.ripe.net 130.89.149.21' of course, but why doesn't it figure that out by itself? |
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| 23:23.09 | jelly-home | petrosdou: if you do, the hybrid 32/64 bit installation image on the main www.debian.org page ought to work |
| 23:23.31 | jelly-home | !tell petrosdou about netinst |
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| 23:24.44 | dondelelcaro | Woet: because it should use ARIN first to then find the Refereral whois server at ripe. |
| 23:25.00 | Woet | dondelelcaro: it hasn't done that for quite some time though, seems to be a (unwanted) update |
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| 23:26.16 | jelly-home | the whois client seems to have a lot of stuff hardcoded |
| 23:26.24 | johndoe | can i somehow use sed to put "" around each line of input? |
| 23:26.30 | johndoe | or some other cli tool |
| 23:26.39 | dondelelcaro | johndoe: what are you trying to do? |
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| 23:26.53 | johndoe | dondelelcaro: put "" around every line in a text file |
| 23:26.54 | jelly-home | johndoe: sure. sed 's/^/"/; s/$/"/' |
| 23:27.06 | johndoe | jelly-home: thanks |
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| 23:27.51 | Arafangion | johndoe: It might not work, which was why we asked for what you're *really* trying to do, but you only asked for help with *how* you chose to do it. |
| 23:28.10 | jelly-home | !goal |
| 23:28.11 | dpkg | Describe your goal, not what you think the solution is. |
| 23:28.15 | Arafangion | johndoe: Notice how the answer used 'sed', which was in your question. |
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| 23:34.14 | petrosdou | eiste oloi zwa edw. |
| 23:34.28 | Woet | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:34.40 | Woet | petrosdou: #debian-gr |
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| 23:35.14 | Woet | there is no greek channel? |
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| 23:35.19 | Woet | guess they didn't have the money |
| 23:35.20 | jelly-home | !gr |
| 23:35.21 | dpkg | Gia voitheia sta ellinika dokimaste to #debian.gr & to #debian-el (irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net). For help in Greek try #debian.gr or #debian-el (irc.oftc.net or irc.freenode.net). |
| 23:35.29 | Woet | oh, i see |
| 23:35.38 | Woet | why do some channels use . and some use -? |
| 23:35.51 | jelly-home | extra fun |
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| 23:36.40 | Woet | i see |
| 23:36.54 | SerajewelKS | is there any extension to VNC that will allow clients to send the server a hint about how big the viewing area is, so that the server can pull some xrandr awesomeness and resize to match? |
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| 23:43.51 | jiero | Hi, i have a question: no 'startx' found. |
| 23:44.23 | jiero | I have installed&launched kdm, but no GUI appeared. |
| 23:45.30 | gnarface | jiero: you're probably missing the xinit package |
| 23:45.38 | gnarface | jiero: its not strictly required |
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| 23:46.27 | jiero | gnarface: ok, I will try it out, i may come back. thanks. |
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| 23:51.32 | mooglefrange | Hi. Does anyone here use nmh? |
| 23:52.23 | mooglefrange | I'm thinking of switching to it, it looks nice. |
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| 23:55.14 | johndoe | how can i prevent shell from escaping the " character? im doing eog $(cat l), where l contains list of image files enclosed in "" and separated by space |
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