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| 00:00.18 | tsavory | Anyone have time to help me figure out my printer issues I have an hp laserjet 4l I am running debian 6.0.4 have the cups installed and the hplip (which is the debian package for driver that cover my printer) but if I try to print as lpr /etc/fstab I get a few lines of text then it prints blank pages forever. |
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| 00:03.06 | tsavory | http://pastebin.com/abyKxX8a this pastebin has my aptitude search '~ippd; and aptitude search ppd if its of any help |
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| 00:07.17 | dondelelcaro | johndoe: this is what xargs is for. |
| 00:08.02 | dondelelcaro | johndoe: cat l|xargs -d "$(echo)" eog; man xargs for details. |
| 00:08.23 | dondelelcaro | or even better, xargs -d "$(echo)" eog < l; |
| 00:08.39 | johndoe | dondelelcaro: ah, thank you :) |
| 00:08.48 | dondelelcaro | johndoe: and yes, *this* is why we asked you what you were actually trying to do. |
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| 00:25.19 | mycae | Hello, an update a while ago caused a change in the gtk file chooser dialog. Now, whenever I open a program it defaults to the "recently used" area, instead of the last chosen path. Is there some way to disable this? |
| 00:25.33 | mycae | Its very annoying when debugging, and just annoying at other times :) |
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| 00:29.36 | mycae | Hmm, OK, finally got a google response (25 mins of searching...). It's a "feature" :(. pwd is way more helpful |
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| 00:46.34 | hjsdb | hi |
| 00:47.16 | hjsdb | What key-combination do i have to press on a us-keyboard to get '§' ? (i made mistake to "cryptsetup" using non-us leyboard) |
| 00:47.38 | Someguy123 | hjsdb I don't think there is one |
| 00:47.52 | dondelelcaro | hjsdb: compose s-s typically |
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| 00:48.05 | dondelelcaro | hjsdb: but I'm not sure if you can get that to work early in boot |
| 00:48.49 | dondelelcaro | so your best bet may be to boot off of some other media, then mount the encrypted volume and change the key |
| 00:49.07 | simonlnu | i get ß for s-s |
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| 00:49.52 | hjsdb | Someguy123: i found solution: ALT + 0167 works |
| 00:49.56 | simonlnu | o-s or s-o § |
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| 00:50.06 | dondelelcaro | yeah, it's § compose s-o, sorry. |
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| 00:50.19 | hjsdb | dondelelcaro: yes i really was suprised that that early at boot ALT-combinations work |
| 00:50.20 | simonlnu | had to look it up :) |
| 00:50.29 | dondelelcaro | hjsdb: ah, cool |
| 00:50.37 | simonlnu | hmm |
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| 00:50.52 | dondelelcaro | simonlnu: I actually use it a lot... but I have a huge ~/.Xcompose |
| 00:51.18 | cardamon | What are my alternatives to network-manager? wicd or wpa_cli? |
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| 00:51.36 | dondelelcaro | cardamon: or just /etc/network/interfaces; you don't need any of them |
| 00:51.40 | dondelelcaro | (that's actually what I do) |
| 00:51.48 | simonlnu | *nods* |
| 00:51.51 | dondelelcaro | but that's certainly *not* normal |
| 00:52.55 | cardamon | I had wireless working fine on this box but all of a sudden it won't login to my router. networkmanager keeps cycling, asking me for the password. |
| 00:53.57 | cardamon | Also, something rather annoying...it also likes to ask me for my user password anytime it prompts me for the router password. Probably something to do with the way it's called and my sudo settings. |
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| 00:55.00 | simonlnu | dondelelcaro: what would you put in ~/.Xcompose anyway? |
| 00:55.35 | boudiccas | cardamon; what version of debian are you running? maybe its a bug in wheezy? |
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| 00:55.58 | cardamon | boudiccas: Nothing's been updated. It's the router. |
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| 00:56.27 | boudiccas | cardamon; what OS is the router running? |
| 00:56.38 | cardamon | It's a D-Link. |
| 00:56.47 | boudiccas | ah, sealed unit then |
| 00:56.55 | cardamon | >_> |
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| 00:58.09 | boudiccas | cardamon; ask in #hardware ? |
| 00:59.40 | Ho^Oh | boudiccas: It's ##hardware :P |
| 01:00.52 | laptunovic | what chanel is debian brasil? |
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| 01:03.45 | mute_ | Huh |
| 01:04.11 | cardamon | switched to wicd, and my wlan0 interface disappeared. |
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| 01:04.32 | simonlnu | !br |
| 01:04.32 | dpkg | Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 01:04.36 | simonlnu | laptunovic: ^^ |
| 01:05.05 | HS^ | hi when i look into my auth.log i see continued attempts to guess root password |
| 01:05.06 | HS^ | and others |
| 01:05.15 | HS^ | like people are trying to hack me... |
| 01:05.22 | HS^ | is this normal? should i do anything against it/ |
| 01:05.39 | laptunovic | Tranks |
| 01:06.24 | simonlnu | HS^: not normal, no, but you can do several things. change the ssh port; set up some iptables rules (google for RECENT match ssh); install fail2ban and/or denyhosts |
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| 01:06.56 | ztag100 | My sound isn't working, I don't know why (Don't know much about this type of stuff) |
| 01:06.58 | laptunovic | See it http://forum.lxde.org/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=31295 segestion for debian with lxde |
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| 01:07.04 | simonlnu | HS^: disable ssh root login (it should be, but check /etc/ssh/sshd_config anyway) |
| 01:07.13 | ztag100 | Could it be something to do with xfce? |
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| 01:07.57 | justjealouse | has anyone gotten skype to work on 64 bit? |
| 01:08.01 | cardamon | I just removed network manager and installed wicd and now wlan0 is missing when I ask ifconfig. |
| 01:08.14 | cardamon | Anyone have a clue where to start? |
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| 01:09.00 | justjealouse | I keep getting an error about something with "wrong elf class" |
| 01:09.23 | kevlarman | justjealouse: you'll need ia32-libs |
| 01:09.30 | cardamon | justjealouse: With their high dexterity, elves make great rogues or rangers. :P |
| 01:09.39 | justjealouse | when i try to apt-get, they are installed kevlarman |
| 01:09.51 | kevlarman | justjealouse: how did you install skype? |
| 01:09.57 | justjealouse | off the website |
| 01:10.01 | justjealouse | theres a package? |
| 01:10.04 | kevlarman | yup |
| 01:10.06 | kevlarman | in non-free |
| 01:10.06 | justjealouse | Ill try it out |
| 01:10.09 | justjealouse | ok |
| 01:11.00 | Xat` | hi guys |
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| 01:12.00 | Xat` | it is possible to host xen in a vmware ? |
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| 01:13.33 | Xat` | for testing the xen solution |
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| 01:14.04 | Escherial | ok, kind of panicking...i just used a stupid 'remote sync' feature in an scp client which inadvertantly deleted everything in my project directory |
| 01:14.13 | Escherial | is there any way i can recover the contents? it happened just a second ago |
| 01:14.35 | Escherial | and yes, i should've been using source control, i know :{ |
| 01:15.05 | justjealouse | kevlarman: I am going to follow the directions on this page http://www.skype.com/go/getskype-linux-beta-ubuntu-64, will this method make skype work correctly? |
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| 01:15.40 | kevlarman | justjealouse: no |
| 01:15.47 | kevlarman | justjealouse: just install the one in non-free |
| 01:16.06 | hjsdb | i've used squeeze installer to crypt /-Filessystem. How can i change the cryptkey without loosing my FS-contents? |
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| 01:16.24 | justjealouse | when I apt-search skype does not come up, where do I check if i have non-free added? |
| 01:16.41 | kevlarman | /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 01:17.35 | justjealouse | kevlarman: I have this line uncommented deb http://ftp2.de.debian.org/debian squeeze main non-free |
| 01:17.43 | justjealouse | that is non-free correct? |
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| 01:17.58 | Xat` | please could i install xen on a vmware virtual machine ? |
| 01:18.37 | simonlnu | could you? you have our permission ;). can you? no idea, try it and see. |
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| 01:18.53 | Xat` | :) |
| 01:19.02 | Xat` | it is technicaly possible ? |
| 01:19.03 | kevlarman | justjealouse: ah apparently skype is only in sid |
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| 01:19.10 | kevlarman | didn't notice that |
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| 01:19.25 | simonlnu | that's what i mean, i don't know, try it. i'd do some research first. |
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| 01:20.02 | justjealouse | kevlarman: so there is no fix to this bug..? because I googled for several pages with no solution |
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| 01:20.20 | kevlarman | http://www.skype.com/go/getskype-linux-deb-64 <- try that i guess |
| 01:21.23 | justjealouse | sigh that is what I was using, if anyone knows about the "wrong elf class" bug and how to fix it, pleeaase help me. I think it has something to do with 32-bit software trying to use 64 bit libraries |
| 01:21.51 | kevlarman | justjealouse: it means you're missing the 32 bit version of that library |
| 01:22.04 | justjealouse | but I specifically installed the libraries you mentioned |
| 01:22.14 | kevlarman | no you didn't |
| 01:22.19 | kevlarman | you installed the 64 bit version |
| 01:24.15 | jvdm | ls |
| 01:24.32 | kevlarman | . .. |
| 01:24.45 | justjealouse | kevlarman: sudo aptitude install ia32-libs ia32-libs-gtk libqt4-core libqt4-gui |
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| 01:24.56 | justjealouse | ia32 is not 32bit -_-? |
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| 01:27.43 | simonlnu | of course it is |
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| 01:28.40 | simonlnu | it's for 64b, to run 32b stuff |
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| 01:37.17 | kruz | Anyone here familiar with John the ripper? Sorry, I know it's not Debian specific |
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| 01:39.15 | karsten | kruz: ask your question. We'll try. |
| 01:40.49 | kruz | I've got a password protected 7z file I created in October. At the time I thought, heh, I won't forget this password. (: oops. I know the words I use in my passwords. The problem is one phrase I use for stuff I really don't want people to open is about 40 characters. |
| 01:41.45 | kruz | I know the words but over time I've added special characters to the password. I was wondering if anyone could point me to a resource on how to create a rule to have JTR add the special characters to my list of words, or combine some of the words. |
| 01:42.14 | DanDare | kruz, you lost your password ? |
| 01:42.20 | kevlarman | kruz: is it "correct horse battery staple"? |
| 01:43.02 | kevlarman | kruz: as far as pure brute force, you're completely screwed for a password that long |
| 01:43.11 | DanDare | yeah |
| 01:43.27 | kruz | DanDare, no. In the last few years I've used a phrase like from a song. But i've changed one of the words or two of the words. example : " Hey jealousy, listen to my ****** " where ***** I have interchanged with "strong" passwords |
| 01:43.43 | DanDare | Ok, got it |
| 01:43.53 | DanDare | So you lost your password, thats :p |
| 01:43.55 | kruz | yeah, I don't want to do brute force. I know my passwords. it's just that adding the special characters and changing cases is going to be a snatch |
| 01:44.06 | DanDare | oh |
| 01:44.36 | DanDare | now I got it I think :) |
| 01:44.45 | kruz | DanDare, yeah I guess so. This has happened before and I created a text file with like 20 passwords that I used which was password protected, but it doesn't appear to be one of those 20 so it's probably one of those 20 passwords with special characters. or numbers for letters. eg: h3ll0 |
| 01:45.44 | DanDare | So you partially lost your password, thats the case ? |
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| 01:46.08 | kruz | what I did right now, I was typing out the passwords manually into a file and made a for loop to go through the file and pass the password to 7z and try each password. it didn't work so far, but it's a lot of passwords to keep typing manually |
| 01:46.15 | kruz | DanDare, yes. I partially lost my password |
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| 01:48.39 | DanDare | kruz, its like you have the pieces of a puzzle but need them in the correct order ? |
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| 01:48.44 | kruz | Let's say my password was kruz@debian. Sometimes I go through and I do things like !kruz@debian! or &kruz@debian!! ]: I just need something to go through and add the special characters to my passwords. I know all the passwords I could have used in the past. |
| 01:49.11 | DanDare | I mean, you dont need to "create" password words guessings, you just have it already ? |
| 01:49.13 | kruz | DanDare, exactly. ]: I needed something to automatedly go through the list of possibilities |
| 01:49.20 | justjealouse | has anyone gotten skype to work in 64bit |
| 01:49.37 | DanDare | kruz, so you need some bash script to do it for you |
| 01:49.52 | kruz | maybe... /: |
| 01:51.59 | kruz | last time it took me a couple of hours to figure it out... but I've gotten more paranoid since more power GPUs keep coming out |
| 01:52.10 | engla | justjealouse: skype's .deb works fine on wheezy amd64 |
| 01:52.59 | kruz | justjealouse, skype worked for me in 64bit, but I've reinstalled 32bit cause I had issues with Wine crashing |
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| 01:54.47 | justjealouse | I updated to squeeze |
| 01:55.04 | justjealouse | im looking at a workaround using a wrapper so maybe this will work |
| 01:55.59 | cardamon | simonlnu: Got it fixed. For some reason, the wlan0 interface wasn't put up the first time, wicd would't find it without being told it was there, and if you wanted iwlist to actually return scan results you needed root permissions. |
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| 01:57.46 | DanDare | cardamon, what you did to fix it? I only get wireless working after installing NetworkManager |
| 01:57.54 | DanDare | *got |
| 01:57.59 | MaxHr_ | Hello, can anyone recommend a debian based distro with an install that is noob easy? one that includes usefull extras (codecs, plugins, fonts, etc), and is stable |
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| 01:58.30 | justjealouse | nope I tried using this workaround http://wirejungle.wordpress.com/2010/07/01/skype-on-squeeze-64-bit-workaround/ but these warnings/errors keep popping up and sometimes crashing skype http://pastebin.com/VwKuye68 |
| 01:59.01 | DanDare | MaxHr_, Debian Squeez ? its just the last stable |
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| 01:59.34 | kruz | MaxHr_, a lot of the Debian based eg. Mint, Ubuntu, have the option when you are installing to install the extras you are referring to. I don' t know that any Debian installer does. |
| 01:59.45 | cardamon | DanDare: Essentially? "#ifconfig wlan0 up;" then go to wicd's client, hit preferences, and add wlan0 as an interface. |
| 02:00.12 | bitplane | I'm using ElementTidy in Python and have found a trivial piece of HTML that crashes it. I grabbed the source, patched it, installed it and the problem goes away. Is anyone able to verify my bug to see if it exists in Debian? |
| 02:00.13 | MaxHr_ | DanDare, ok, so do you know of any that are based on squeeze? mainly looking for one with kde 3.5 |
| 02:00.19 | DanDare | MaxHr_, * Squeeze. But for a more multimedia based (out of the box), distro is Ubuntu |
| 02:00.23 | bitplane | (I'm running Ubuntu but thought I'd come to you guys with this issue) |
| 02:00.43 | cardamon | DanDare: I also had issues with the driver in Wheezy months ago, but now it's working fine. |
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| 02:01.12 | DanDare | cardamon, understand. i got card listed on wicd but wasnt being able to setup the connection, for some reason I dont know |
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| 02:01.56 | DanDare | MaxHr_, sorry i have no clue. Im bit restricted to Debian because its the only thing I use |
| 02:02.06 | cardamon | DanDare: pciid? |
| 02:02.22 | DanDare | cardamon, whats pciid ? |
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| 02:03.35 | DanDare | cardamon, anyway, I liked NetworkManager for the laptop. It just do everything for you. Using right now even a 3G modem that i had not to configure anything, it was PnP. Well yeah im that lazy sometimes ;) |
| 02:03.46 | cardamon | DanDare: What's lspci -nn | grep [Nn]etwork say? Your pciid will be in between the [] |
| 02:03.47 | kruz | MaxHr_, I know a lot of Ubuntu users who switched to http://linuxmint.com/ and haven't gone back. |
| 02:04.16 | DanDare | cardamon, yeah I know it |
| 02:04.17 | cardamon | DanDare: It'll look like [1814:3062] |
| 02:04.40 | DanDare | RT3090 here |
| 02:04.44 | MaxHr_ | kruz, I tried mint, didn't like it... am mainly looking for something more stable, I could just start with a squeeze basic installer, but am looking for a shortcut |
| 02:04.47 | DanDare | from non-free i guess |
| 02:04.48 | cardamon | Fantastic. I don't care. I want you to paste it so we can asked the bot what driver. |
| 02:04.54 | ztag100 | Hey guys, I need help. Sound doesn't seem to be working on my computer |
| 02:05.03 | MaxHr_ | and also an install disk I could suggest to friends who want something stable |
| 02:05.19 | MaxHr_ | that is more user friendly that basic debian |
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| 02:05.37 | DanDare | cardamon, you dont care? You want that I paste the lspci output for you on pastebin ? |
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| 02:06.09 | kruz | MaxHr_, my main OS is Debian. I am not really familiar with the others that are based off it. There are a lot. |
| 02:06.41 | MaxHr_ | kruz, ok, thx anyway |
| 02:06.42 | ztag100 | any ideas? |
| 02:06.44 | cardamon | MaxHr_: "Basic" debian is very user friendly. Unless your users don't like to read instructions. Or pay attention for more than ten minutes. In which case no one's going to be happy here. |
| 02:06.46 | kruz | MaxHr_, check out distrowatch and see if you find something there. The more popular distros are towards the top |
| 02:07.37 | MaxHr_ | cardamon, they need something that requires following an installer and prompts/wizards, and no researching or reading howtos |
| 02:07.44 | DanDare | cardamon, but sounds like also that he wants most of the multimedia codecs and stuff ready. thats more like Ubuntu i think |
| 02:08.01 | kruz | MaxHr_, The wheezy installer is pretty awesome. I would check it out and see what you think. You can always install it on a Virtual Machine and see it. It's actually very easy. The multimedia stuff is a different story |
| 02:08.41 | cardamon | Seriously, every "problem" I've ever had with Debian was because I either A) didn't read or B)had an obscure piece of hardware |
| 02:09.07 | DanDare | I personally had no luck with Ubuntu within this laptop and Debian did a better job |
| 02:09.15 | DanDare | including the wireless support |
| 02:09.58 | hjsdb | after hibernation or suspend i would like the gnome-desktop to be locked after resume. How can i get this? |
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| 02:10.20 | DanDare | ubuntu had the drivers but in a version that just freezes the computer sometimes (it was i read at least) |
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| 02:10.35 | cardamon | MaxHr_: Then either they should employ you to do it for them, learn to do it themselves, or go with Windows/Mac and pay someone to do the same. |
| 02:11.14 | MaxHr_ | cardamon, I may set it up... does squeeze have kde 3.5.x? |
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| 02:11.59 | cardamon | MaxHr_: For all "does x have y" questions, I direct you to packages.debian.org |
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| 02:13.33 | DanDare | MaxHr_, try on google: "squeeze"+"kde-window-manager" |
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| 02:13.50 | cardamon | DanDare: That too. |
| 02:13.53 | DanDare | its how its package named (or the meta package not sure) |
| 02:14.24 | cardamon | I'm feeling very very snarky and cynical tonight. I should stop helping. |
| 02:14.53 | justjealouse | how do I install plugins in .deb form to iceweasel? |
| 02:14.53 | DanDare | why cynical? I dont think so :p |
| 02:14.57 | justjealouse | i am trying to install google hangout |
| 02:14.58 | MaxHr_ | ok, thx... btw, can debian be setup do do auto background update, w/o needing input or root access? |
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| 02:15.28 | DanDare | MaxHr_, yeah, som simple bash script + cronjobs ? |
| 02:16.02 | DanDare | but you will need root to setup the script and the cronjob |
| 02:16.52 | justjealouse | nvm iceweasel is currently not supported |
| 02:16.59 | DanDare | I know its not recommended but I just edit crontab and add lines there, directly. It ever worked without problems ... |
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| 02:17.27 | MaxHr_ | hmm, looks like squeeze is using kde 4... so does that mean I must use Lenny? and can squeeze and lenny be mixed somehow? |
| 02:17.34 | DanDare | justjealouse, checked chromium-browser already ? |
| 02:17.42 | MaxHr_ | to get kde 3.5.x I mean |
| 02:18.01 | DanDare | MaxHr_, why bother ? |
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| 02:18.33 | mosno | MaxHr_, if you don't mind 3rd party packages: http://trinitydesktop.org/installation.php#debian |
| 02:18.41 | justjealouse | DanDare: im just gonna get firefox theyre not supported |
| 02:19.15 | DanDare | MaxHr_, its possible to have Kde 3.5 on Squeeze but you lost all about your point after this (easy to install etc) |
| 02:19.45 | DanDare | MaxHr_, Lenny security updates is dropped already (as far I know) |
| 02:19.47 | MaxHr_ | DanDare, I want something lighter than kde 4, I am ok taking extra setup effort, if its required |
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| 02:20.01 | silvertip257 | justjealouse: can you try changing Ice Weasel's user agent string? |
| 02:20.15 | MaxHr_ | ok, so I need to use ppa to get kde 3 on squeeze |
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| 02:20.30 | DanDare | MaxHr_, i just use xfce4 |
| 02:21.29 | ztag100 | I am having trouble, sound doesn't seem to be working |
| 02:21.30 | DanDare | MaxHr_, but you can always get it from source, compile, install. But for a "huge" thing like KDE that would be a lot of work really |
| 02:21.31 | simonlnu | cardamon: glad you got it going |
| 02:21.33 | ztag100 | I'm not sure if it is a pulse or a alsa issue, since neither seem to work |
| 02:22.00 | DanDare | ztag100, player acts likes its working but no sound ? |
| 02:22.47 | ztag100 | what player? |
| 02:22.56 | cardamon | Now I'm considering putting debian on this old dell or not. |
| 02:23.04 | DanDare | ztag100, try 'alsamixer' and set all the sliders to max, to sort it out |
| 02:23.08 | DanDare | PCM output etc |
| 02:23.14 | ztag100 | Also, I can't open alsamixer |
| 02:23.18 | DanDare | o.O |
| 02:23.23 | ztag100 | that's the big problem |
| 02:23.37 | DanDare | ztag100, what you get while ttrying to oopen alsamixer ? |
| 02:23.49 | ztag100 | ziad@ZiadDebianServer:~$ alsamixer |
| 02:23.49 | ztag100 | cannot open mixer: No such file or directory |
| 02:23.54 | ztag100 | that^ |
| 02:24.20 | DanDare | weird |
| 02:24.37 | DanDare | ztag100, do you have apt-get install alsa-utils ? |
| 02:24.38 | ztag100 | http://pastie.org/3451677 |
| 02:24.46 | ztag100 | that's my lspci -v |
| 02:25.46 | ztag100 | yes, I installed and uninstalled it several times trying to get this to work |
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| 02:26.22 | ztag100 | Should I try oss? |
| 02:26.35 | DanDare | ztag100, its MSI laptop ? |
| 02:26.43 | ztag100 | MSI? |
| 02:26.50 | ztag100 | What does that stand for? |
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| 02:28.24 | DanDare | ztag100, Micro-Star International |
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| 02:29.00 | ztag100 | I don't know what that is |
| 02:29.10 | DanDare | ztag100, its a laptop ? |
| 02:29.32 | ztag100 | yes |
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| 02:29.57 | DanDare | ztag100, wich one ? |
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| 02:30.04 | DanDare | ztag100, brand/model |
| 02:30.22 | ztag100 | Averatec 7100 series |
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| 02:31.13 | DanDare | ztag100, try reading these links, people with same problem as you (apparently), http://www.google.com.br/search?hl=pt-BR&sclient=psy-ab&q=%22sb4x0%22&btnG= |
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| 02:34.32 | ztag100 | I'm going to try OSS |
| 02:34.49 | justjealouse | Hi has anyone tried installing google hangout on debian |
| 02:35.16 | ztag100 | justjealouse: I thought that was a webapp |
| 02:35.28 | justjealouse | yes it is a plugin |
| 02:35.48 | justjealouse | it only supports chrome/firefox/safari/ie so I am trying to get it working on firefox |
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| 02:36.08 | justjealouse | but all the instructions say is download/run the .deb they give you, which I do. but nothing happens |
| 02:36.19 | Kamping_Kaiser | isnt it just flash? |
| 02:36.43 | justjealouse | ...no |
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| 02:47.36 | roberto_ | what the heck service is this? 953/tcp open rndc |
| 02:50.46 | tensorpudding | it's related to bind, says google |
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| 02:51.19 | tensorpudding | bind opens that port for communication with the program rndc |
| 02:51.34 | tensorpudding | something else could conceivably be using that port though |
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| 02:57.22 | ztag100 | I need to burn a debian liveCD, I don't know whichone to use |
| 02:57.25 | ztag100 | any help? |
| 02:59.13 | ztag100 | ? |
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| 03:00.39 | ztag100 | ... |
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| 03:01.18 | simonlnu | ztag100: the one you want |
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| 03:02.38 | tsavory | http://live.debian.net/ pick one that meets your needs |
| 03:02.47 | ztag100 | simonlnu: for the list under torrents, I see ones labeled numericaly |
| 03:02.54 | ztag100 | what do these numbers mean? |
| 03:03.31 | DanDare | ztag100, http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live/i386/bt-hybrid/ it seems easier to choose now ? |
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| 03:04.06 | ztag100 | thakns |
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| 03:04.15 | DanDare | np |
| 03:04.30 | ztag100 | OMGS, they have one with xfce prebundled! |
| 03:04.35 | ztag100 | ME LOVES |
| 03:04.42 | ztag100 | lol, I never noticed that before |
| 03:04.44 | simonlnu | there's xfce gnome and kde |
| 03:05.04 | ztag100 | I know, but xfce is my all time fav DE |
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| 03:05.14 | DanDare | And lxde |
| 03:05.19 | DanDare | What the heck is lxde ? |
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| 03:05.32 | ztag100 | terrible |
| 03:05.35 | DanDare | ok ok, will just google it |
| 03:05.37 | ztag100 | it's just terrible |
| 03:05.42 | DanDare | :o |
| 03:06.06 | ztag100 | I don't really like the default look of it |
| 03:06.10 | ztag100 | alright |
| 03:06.23 | ztag100 | I'll be back when it's time for me to install this sucker |
| 03:06.25 | DanDare | Liked lxde description |
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| 03:08.26 | ztag100 | It might look nice after supreme customization |
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| 03:13.44 | tjf | I'm haing a bit of an issue... I can't have more than one thing with sound running at the same time, and have sound work on both of them |
| 03:14.06 | tjf | For example, if I want to be playing Minecraft and listening to Pandora, the sound only works on Minecraft |
| 03:14.14 | tjf | or Grooveshark and Mumble |
| 03:15.39 | ztag100 | tjf: what sound engine are you using? |
| 03:16.02 | tjf | ztag100: I assume pulseaudio, how do I check? |
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| 03:20.11 | LtL | tjf: try dpkg -s pulseaudio |
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| 03:21.01 | tjf | LtL: and that'll say what the default engine is, or pastebin the output? |
| 03:21.34 | LtL | tjf: it'll say if it's installed or not |
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| 03:21.50 | tjf | ah, it says that it is. |
| 03:22.24 | LtL | tjf: i get multiple source sound without it, but i'm not saying remove. |
| 03:22.55 | LtL | tjf: gnarface is leet when it comes to sound fyi |
| 03:23.16 | tsavory | Anyone have time to help me figure out my printer issues I have an hp laserjet 4l I am running debian 6.0.4 have the cups installed and the hplip (which is the debian package for driver that cover my printer) but if I try to print as lpr /etc/fstab I get a few lines of text then it prints blank pages forever. http://pastebin.com/abyKxX8a this pastebin has my aptitude search '~ippd; and... |
| 03:23.18 | tsavory | ...aptitude search ppd if its of any help |
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| 03:23.42 | tsavory | or how I can get to the web interface as I have a non-GUI install of debian 6 so I am controlling it though putty and webmin but can't connect to 10.0.0.101:631 for the cups interface |
| 03:24.16 | Ronis_BR | hi all. At boot, I'm getting the following message: "according to mtab tmpfs is already mounted on /run/lock" and "according to mtab tmpfs is already mounted on /run/shm" |
| 03:24.19 | Ronis_BR | how can I fix it? |
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| 03:24.42 | LtL | tsavory: cat /etc/fstab | lpr .. http://localhost:631 - try that |
| 03:24.45 | tjf | LtL: I assume I have to compile that? |
| 03:25.07 | LtL | tjf: no, you shouldn't need to compile anything. |
| 03:25.47 | tjf | nothing comes up in "apt-cache search gnarface" :p |
| 03:26.07 | LtL | tjf: lol, no.. the nick gnarface :) |
| 03:26.12 | tsavory | hell now the lpr is not even found Uggg |
| 03:26.12 | tjf | OH |
| 03:26.18 | tjf | facepalms |
| 03:26.22 | LtL | they should package him though! |
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| 03:27.46 | LtL | tjf: does this work.. http://localhost:631 |
| 03:27.57 | tjf | indeed |
| 03:28.16 | LtL | tjf: is it configured |
| 03:28.23 | tsavory | LtL no on the localhost I am on a windows machine |
| 03:28.36 | tjf | I assume you were talking to tsavory though |
| 03:28.45 | LtL | oops mixed up the nicks, sorry guys |
| 03:28.48 | tjf | Because I don't want to print out my lyrics :P |
| 03:29.00 | tsavory | No prob |
| 03:29.11 | tjf | well, i reinstalled pulseaudio and now no sound! |
| 03:29.14 | tjf | perhaps a reboot will fix it |
| 03:29.42 | LtL | tjf: check and see that alsa is installed and being used |
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| 03:30.15 | LtL | tjf: reboot shouldn't be needed, sometimes a logout/login does |
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| 03:30.18 | tsavory | I can get to 10.0.0.101:80 |
| 03:30.20 | tjf | actually now it works |
| 03:30.37 | tjf | now to see if grooveshark + mumble work at the same time |
| 03:31.36 | LtL | tsavory: you have a webserver running? |
| 03:32.09 | tsavory | LtL yes |
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| 03:32.34 | tjf | LtL: alsa-utils ? |
| 03:32.43 | LtL | tsavory: that explains that, but not your printing |
| 03:33.03 | LtL | tjf: can't hurt, alsamixergui too |
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| 03:33.22 | tsavory | so if I stop Apache I should be able to get to it? |
| 03:34.12 | LtL | tsavory: shouldn't matter, but cups only answers on localhost port 631 |
| 03:34.31 | LtL | tsavory: netstat -tunap .. see if port 631 is listening |
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| 03:35.28 | LtL | tsavory: provide you are _on_ localhost |
| 03:35.37 | tjf | LtL: sadly, that didn't work :( |
| 03:35.55 | LtL | tjf: hrm |
| 03:36.09 | tsavory | LtL it is I am running though putty I have no GUI for the server |
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| 03:37.18 | LtL | tjf: take a look around this page, particularly ALSA, http://wiki.debian.org/Sound |
| 03:38.04 | tsavory | so I am sitting next to it but no browser on the server |
| 03:38.09 | LtL | tsavory: I'm not sure how to configure printing remotely |
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| 03:39.23 | LtL | tsavory: I dislike sending ppl to url's but this may provide answers, http://wiki.debian.org/SystemPrinting |
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| 03:42.07 | iluminator101 | error failure to communicat with kernel device -mapper driver?? |
| 03:43.10 | LtL | tsavory: you sure cups is installed? |
| 03:43.17 | tsavory | LtL ok lpr /etc/fstab prints but not right it prints two lins then blank sheets for hours finally had to purg cups to get it to stop I reinstalled and now I can't lpr lpc lprm anything god I hate printers Thanks for trying I will re read that I have spent about 10 hrs trying to get it |
| 03:43.27 | iluminator101 | error failure to communicate with kernel device -mapper driver?? |
| 03:43.38 | LtL | tsavory: driver issue methinks |
| 03:44.13 | tsavory | LtL yes I am aptitude says it is atleast |
| 03:44.38 | iluminator101 | /dev/mapper/control open failed: no such device ??? |
| 03:45.57 | LtL | tsavory: k, you may need samba for printing from windows if thats what you're trying but i think you need the correct print driver. |
| 03:46.53 | iluminator101 | i have an lvm and i installed kernel 3.2 and this is the error i get after i try to boot on kernel 3.2 |
| 03:47.20 | tsavory | http://pastebin.com/abyKxX8a tells what ppd stuff I have installed right now oh well wish I could start all over on the printing. it is and according to all I have the hplip has the right drivers just can't get them to be active |
| 03:48.15 | tsavory | Samba is running kbut right I need to beable to print from the box itself first then try to get it working with samba |
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| 03:49.36 | ztag100 | OMG, I am failing, so hard right now! I can't remember what part of the disk I had my / and what partition I had my /home |
| 03:49.41 | ztag100 | Would I have used ext3 for which one? |
| 03:51.49 | tsavory | yeah the right drivers are thehp-ppd and hpijs-ppds |
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| 03:53.46 | LtL | ztag100: try fdisk -l as root, that may tell you i think. |
| 03:54.12 | ztag100 | LtL: Argh, am I going to have to abort the liveCD |
| 03:54.33 | ztag100 | thanks |
| 03:55.00 | iluminator101 | /dev/mapper/control open failed: no such device ??? |
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| 04:00.39 | ztag100 | LtL: I can't tell which is which |
| 04:00.48 | iluminator101 | Check that device-mapper is available in the kernel ??? |
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| 04:01.29 | tsavory | LtL aptitude install lynx-cur getts me text browser for use though putty now I can at least play in the cups web interface Thanks for the link |
| 04:01.59 | LtL | tsavory: hope it works, been there, done it...stick to it |
| 04:02.33 | LtL | ztag100: parted may be more explicit, without changing anything |
| 04:03.08 | ztag100 | What makes more sense |
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| 04:03.18 | ztag100 | 5GB for the "/" |
| 04:03.28 | ztag100 | or 10 GB for the "/" |
| 04:03.39 | ztag100 | the other one would be the "home" |
| 04:03.44 | iluminator101 | can someone tell me which package i am missing for linux kernel 3.2 to read lvm |
| 04:04.07 | LtL | ztag100: 10gb for root, 5gb for home makes the most sense. |
| 04:04.12 | ztag100 | thanks |
| 04:04.13 | ztag100 | also |
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| 04:04.20 | ztag100 | one of them is ext3 |
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| 04:05.07 | LtL | ztag100: I would think both are, whats the other one |
| 04:05.29 | ztag100 | One sec, rebooting the sys |
| 04:06.12 | ztag100 | Something tells me I'm going to mess this up |
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| 04:13.42 | ztag100 | LtL |
| 04:13.53 | LtL | iluminator101: system-config-lvm ? |
| 04:13.57 | ztag100 | Ok, I have a 13.8 GB - ext3 |
| 04:13.58 | LtL | ztag100: yo |
| 04:14.14 | ztag100 | 60 GB - ntfs (Windows Partition) |
| 04:14.29 | ztag100 | and a 5.2 GB - ? |
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| 04:14.37 | ztag100 | It doesn't seem to have a file format |
| 04:14.53 | LtL | ztag100: how did you install |
| 04:15.27 | ztag100 | IT was 3-4 months ago, I honestly can't remember |
| 04:15.33 | ztag100 | I used a debian liveCD |
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| 04:16.13 | LtL | ztag100: type 'mount' or mount -a |
| 04:16.31 | ztag100 | I'm not in a terminal, I'm in the debian live CD |
| 04:16.52 | ztag100 | I can ctrl-alt-f1 |
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| 04:17.02 | iluminator101 | LtL, its taking forever to boot in recovery mode of the working kernel which is strange |
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| 04:17.58 | iluminator101 | LtL, i type the lvm password and screen goes black and it doesnt seem to come back up |
| 04:18.20 | LtL | iluminator101: probably having difficulty populating /dev ...this is beyond my scope to be honest |
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| 04:18.54 | ztag100 | LTL: what should I do? |
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| 04:19.16 | LtL | ztag100: it won't boot i take it |
| 04:19.22 | iluminator101 | is rhce worth the investment in terms of the payoff |
| 04:19.44 | ztag100 | It should be able to boot back into the HD, but do I have to? |
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| 04:20.07 | ztag100 | Should I just re partition this? |
| 04:20.10 | LtL | iluminator101: rhce? is that red hat |
| 04:20.22 | iluminator101 | LtL, yea |
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| 04:21.01 | LtL | ztag100: I left redhat years ago when they went enterprise and i'm glad, i prefer debian. |
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| 04:21.13 | iluminator101 | LtL, three classes i would have to take would cost me 7200 plus 800 for exam |
| 04:21.21 | ztag100 | I'm not using redhat |
| 04:21.22 | ztag100 | ... |
| 04:21.28 | LtL | ztag100: have you important data on those partitions? |
| 04:21.33 | ztag100 | nope |
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| 04:21.47 | LtL | ztag100: sorry, meant for iluminator101 |
| 04:21.56 | ztag100 | ah |
| 04:22.35 | LtL | ztag100: i would burn cd1 iso burn it, clean up that disk and install on un-allocated space |
| 04:22.54 | ztag100 | LtL: I'm dealing with it right now |
| 04:23.47 | LtL | ztag100: you can deal with windows and grub afterwards |
| 04:24.13 | LtL | ztag100: hopefully ms windows was installed first. |
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| 04:24.38 | ztag100 | I'm just going to redo the linux partitions |
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| 04:25.09 | LtL | ztag100: yes, do that or debian won't have room to install |
| 04:25.30 | ztag100 | ARGH. I'm considering removing windows XP all together! |
| 04:25.41 | LtL | ztag100: make it one partition if you prefer a less complicated install |
| 04:26.09 | ztag100 | Ok |
| 04:26.13 | LtL | ztag100: you bought it, might as well keep it, but i feel ya |
| 04:26.24 | ztag100 | It used to be my aunts computer |
| 04:26.28 | ztag100 | she gave it to me |
| 04:26.38 | LtL | ztag100: it'd doable |
| 04:26.46 | LtL | ztag100: *it's |
| 04:26.52 | ztag100 | I'm going to keep the partition |
| 04:26.54 | ztag100 | just incase |
| 04:27.02 | ztag100 | I don't have a windows machine anyway |
| 04:27.05 | ztag100 | Ok |
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| 04:27.15 | ztag100 | 60 GB - NTFS (WIndows) |
| 04:27.17 | ztag100 | and |
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| 04:27.25 | ztag100 | 20 GB - FREE SPACE |
| 04:27.49 | ztag100 | So, I need 1 GB swap |
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| 04:28.19 | ztag100 | And, the remaining 19 GB will be one partition for / and home |
| 04:28.31 | iluminator101 | crypstepup:evms_activate is not available |
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| 04:29.20 | ztag100 | Is a swap, primary or logical? |
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| 04:30.44 | deego | Hi. How can I tell in bash programatically if display can be opened. That is, whether xeyes will return 'error: cannot open display'.? |
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| 04:31.25 | ztag100 | LTL: Is a swap, primary or logical? |
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| 04:36.42 | ztag100 | Ah, they make it nice and simple, I just had to press partition unpartitioned space |
| 04:37.37 | scientes | why do packages that are not architecture specific get built for each architecture? |
| 04:37.43 | scientes | like base-files for example |
| 04:38.36 | dondelelcaro | deego: if xpdyinfo >/dev/null 2>&1; then .... |
| 04:38.39 | dondelelcaro | deego: or similar |
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| 04:40.18 | deego | dondelelcaro: thanks. |
| 04:40.22 | LtL | ztag100: sorry i was on the phone and another box, make the whole partition a primary, let the installer do the rest. |
| 04:40.37 | ztag100 | Got it already |
| 04:40.39 | ztag100 | thanks |
| 04:40.42 | LtL | cool |
| 04:41.01 | deego | Curious: Could the xpdyinfo and $DISPLAY-methods ever differ in their results? |
| 04:41.25 | dondelelcaro | deego: yes |
| 04:41.47 | dondelelcaro | deego: if for example, the user had DISPLAY set wrongly, or wasn't authenticated for that display |
| 04:41.54 | dondelelcaro | deego: see DISPLAY=5 xdpyinfo; for example. |
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| 04:42.33 | deego | dondelelcaro: I see. |
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| 04:43.27 | deego | I now have this for my tmout setting: |
| 04:43.27 | deego | if test -n "$DISPLAY"; then export TMOUT=; else export TMOUT=300; fi |
| 04:43.33 | deego | so that it logs out from consoles.. |
| 04:43.50 | deego | (yet doesn't exit my xterms.. ) |
| 04:44.09 | dondelelcaro | that's probably good enough |
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| 04:47.06 | deego | Thanks again, dondelelcaro |
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| 05:16.04 | tsavory | ok dumb question how can I test the printer lpr says the command is not found |
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| 05:17.33 | LtL | tsavory: /usr/bin/lpr ...but that should be in your path. |
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| 05:19.20 | tsavory | what the heck lpr is not there ? |
| 05:19.51 | LtL | tsavory: thats weird, i have it and i don't have a printer! |
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| 05:20.10 | tsavory | LtL i have lp lpoptions, lppasswd lpstat |
| 05:20.18 | dvs | lpq? |
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| 05:21.41 | tsavory | LtL no lpq is not there either or my lpc they where here till I purged cups and reinstalled it |
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| 05:22.31 | LtL | tsavory: hrm. |
| 05:23.39 | LtL | tsavory: aptitude show lpr |
| 05:23.46 | LtL | install it |
| 05:23.54 | tsavory | LtL and this really sucks I got cups web access and got the drivers setup now my samba picked it up right away |
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| 05:27.35 | tsavory | whooo ok I got back all but my lpc hmm I see if I can get it |
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| 05:28.17 | tsavory | nope no package dang |
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| 05:30.53 | tsavory | LtL well its an improvement I guess Now I get 1 blank page printed with lpr /etc/fstab |
| 05:31.50 | LtL | tsavory: try cat /etc/fstab | lpr |
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| 05:33.44 | tsavory | LtL Blank but atleast it is not running non stop LOL got to look on the bright side |
| 05:34.25 | LtL | tsavory: making progress, try installing a different printer model or driver |
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| 05:35.03 | ROKO__ | g morning |
| 05:35.20 | tsavory | LtL changing now i |
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| 05:37.49 | tsavory | ok wait it changed to parallel:/dev/lp0 instead of what I had it at HP Laserjet LPT # |
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| 05:41.49 | LtL | tsavory: sounds promising |
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| 05:45.20 | tsavory | LtL Ok test page though the cups web interface was perfect the cat /etc/fstab | lpr printed line 1 right line two down a line right but starting where line one ended and line three dropped right but started where line two ended so only six of the words Hmmm |
| 05:46.08 | LtL | tsavory: sheesh! |
| 05:46.35 | LtL | tsavory: try to cat a different small txt file |
| 05:47.28 | tsavory | Cups web was great LOL OK |
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| 05:48.22 | LtL | tsavory: are you using ipp protocol |
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| 05:49.36 | tsavory | hell I don't know where do I see ? |
| 05:50.14 | LtL | tsavory: it's seems to work, can't explain fstab though, it would be in the gui cups config, which you apparently dont have right |
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| 05:51.17 | LtL | tsavory: http://www.cups.org/doc-1.1/sam.html ..you may find a solution here |
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| 05:51.59 | tsavory | LtL ok I creatted a samll txt file and printed got a blank page Yes I do have it now I had to edit the conf file by now have access though my remote machie |
| 05:52.12 | LtL | tsavory: are you interfacing cups in a terminal with lynx or something |
| 05:52.39 | tsavory | firefox on my windows |
| 05:54.06 | LtL | tsavory: read, http://www.yamamoto.com.ar/blog/?p=134 |
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| 05:55.44 | LtL | tsavory: i think you just need the right driver, don't build anything unless you must. |
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| 06:01.43 | tsavory | LtL oh wow that is so much newer printer than this is and its color wonder if it would work Mine is the laserjet 4L I have had it for about 7 years and I had bought it for $5. now I have about ten more hp drivers in this area I can try but do you think its best to try that one? |
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| 06:02.42 | tsavory | oh and how was we going to see if I was using ipp protocol |
| 06:03.13 | zzing | What is the simplest way to add a user to the sudoers group? |
| 06:03.44 | LtL | tsavory: your call dude, this can be a hit or miss situation, but i bet you get it working. |
| 06:04.15 | LtL | tsavory: if you can print a test page, you're on the right track imho |
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| 06:06.01 | tsavory | after this much time I will not give I may take a break and work on it another day I Agree oh incase you want it here is where I found how to get the web interface to work from remote machine http://thismightbehelpful.blogspot.com/2008/09/remote-access-to-cups-web-interface.html |
| 06:06.37 | LtL | tsavory: sometimes taking a break makes all the diff. |
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| 06:08.18 | cisers | How come that pastie site stores pasties forever? |
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| 06:15.38 | tsavory | LtL another great test though web but smale test came out |
| 06:15.40 | tsavory | testing this |
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| 06:15.41 | tsavory | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:15.43 | tsavory | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:17.08 | LtL | tsavory: try http://ip-address:631/admin for what it's worth. been a long time since i did a printer under 'nix |
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| 06:18.27 | tsavory | I did with no luck but I edited the conf file to allow @local and it worked |
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| 06:19.07 | LtL | tsavory: do you find the exact model searching for drivers |
| 06:19.40 | tsavory | yeah and like 5 different ones trying one at a time |
| 06:19.50 | LtL | roger |
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| 06:33.47 | Blue1 | I can't get debian to properly display foreign characters like japanese. How can I fix this? |
| 06:38.10 | cisers | http://pastie.org/2708457 |
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| 06:42.47 | ak5 | hey whats the chinese language channel? |
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| 06:43.45 | Blue1 | !cn |
| 06:43.45 | dpkg | For help in chinese please join irc.oftc.net #debian-zh, Please use UTF-8, for IRC help see http://tinyurl.com/8yrj9 | Qt/KDE è¿渡æå¼å§ï¼详æ请é读 |
| 06:44.24 | ak5 | zomg oftc |
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| 06:44.28 | ak5 | why |
| 06:45.16 | ak5 | how would I go about inputting any chinese/japanese/korean text without x? is there something that does that? |
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| 06:48.32 | tsavory | LtL what does aptitude search '~ippd' show |
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| 06:54.34 | LtL | tsavory: http://pastebin.com/EM4FMJJR |
| 06:54.52 | LtL | ParkerR: ok, thanks :) |
| 06:55.09 | LtL | wrong win, srry |
| 06:57.44 | tsavory | damn it printer won't stop again |
| 06:58.25 | LtL | tsavory: that happens |
| 06:58.42 | LtL | its the driver, gotta be |
| 06:59.40 | tsavory | LtL I have all those except the hp-ppd when I run the aptitude search '~ippd' but it shows in the aptitude search ppd |
| 07:00.19 | LtL | tsavory: install it for sure |
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| 07:00.57 | tsavory | how I keep trying but with no luck |
| 07:01.26 | tsavory | I need my damn lpc to get this printer to stop |
| 07:01.48 | LtL | tsavory: turn it off |
| 07:02.12 | tsavory | when I turn it on it starts back up |
| 07:02.52 | LtL | tsavory: lprm |
| 07:05.08 | tsavory | everything gives me unknown printer |
| 07:05.44 | LtL | tsavory: back to port 631 again |
| 07:06.17 | tsavory | I cancled it in there and still it runs LOL |
| 07:06.58 | LtL | tsavory: reboot it |
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| 07:08.43 | tsavory | finally pulled the cable unplugged and rebooted |
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| 07:09.49 | juri_ | I'm having an interesting problem, where on the newest net install, 'partition disks' fails, because partman's 35dump script just hangs. any ideas? |
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| 07:10.50 | LtL | ParkerR: damn nice machine |
| 07:11.01 | LtL | gah, oops |
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| 07:11.16 | tsavory | anyways how can I move the hp-pdd over to where it shows up in the aptitude search '~ippd' I nstalled the hplib deb and that has it showing in the search ppd |
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| 07:12.13 | LtL | tsavory: maybe updatedb didn't catch it yet.. i dunno |
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| 07:12.44 | LtL | tsavory: i;m outa here, good luck man |
| 07:13.24 | tsavory_ | LtL ok man thanks for all your help tonight almost there |
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| 07:19.50 | Marezz | wow, pulse audio boosted my sound, its amazing :D |
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| 07:34.25 | juri_ | curses partman |
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| 07:36.48 | ParkerR | What is a simple notification system that notify-send can send to? And by simple I mean doesnt need a lot of dependencies |
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| 07:47.34 | Marezz | I got this old HDD and it has 23 bad sectors, disk utility shows green, but is it really ok? |
| 07:47.41 | Marezz | and is it true that if its not screwed to the case it can get bad sectors cuz of the vibrations? |
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| 07:53.34 | Benkinooby | Hi, i have two questions. 1) Is rsync able to cope with network interrupts? 2) Is rsync able to resume the download after rsync itself was restarted? |
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| 07:54.31 | cccc828 | Benkinooby: yes to both. rsync will only transfer the difference. |
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| 07:55.46 | tsavory | dang it I forgot how to send a msg to someone thats offline |
| 07:57.18 | Benkinooby | cccc828, thank you for your answer. can you also tell me if that difference is file-wise (e.g. a big file will be retransmitted if it was interrupted) or byte-wise (e.g. resume downloading the big file and keep the already downloaded data of the big file) |
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| 07:58.27 | cccc828 | Benkinooby: oh I am not sure. I think there were switches to get either behavior, but I am not sure |
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| 07:59.12 | cccc828 | Benkinooby: ah - take a look at that link: https://techtavern.wordpress.com/2008/11/19/resume-scprsync-file-transfer/ |
| 07:59.19 | Benkinooby | cccc828, ok, but i guess no matter what way it works, the file will not be harmed from the interrupt. |
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| 08:00.14 | cccc828 | Benkinooby: yes. rsync will always make sure that the file at the destination is correct (usually by comparing size and timestamp, but can also be done with md5sums) |
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| 08:01.27 | Benkinooby | cccc828, oh, thank you! didn't come across that site... no google-magic for me today ;) |
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| 08:01.41 | cccc828 | Benkinooby: haha - you are welcome :) |
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| 08:07.59 | tsavory | dpkg tell LtL I got it working on all windows machines just won't print right in Debian so lpr is out but its the server I can post files to my samba folders and print though windows so its all good thanks again for all your help |
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| 08:11.35 | tsavory | LtL I got it working on all windows machines just won't print right in Debian so lpr is out but its the server I can post files to my samba folders and print though windows so its all good thanks again for all your help |
| 08:11.45 | chelz | what is the latest in terms of Constantly Usable Testing? or where would be the best place to look for info on that? |
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| 08:21.23 | chelz | ah found this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_Hat |
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| 08:35.27 | juri_ | in the debian installer (in expert mode), when i hit 'install the system' it tells me one of the previous steps has failed. how do i find out what step? |
| 08:35.46 | juri_ | (i have a mirror, i have filesystems, i'm on the network...) |
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| 08:36.24 | ompaul | start again - and this time go slower is the only advise you should get a nice red screen on the step that fails, it's kind of easy to notice ;-) |
| 08:36.34 | juri_ | gum. |
| 08:36.38 | juri_ | i didn;t get one. |
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| 08:36.54 | ompaul | start again, maybe there's a typo in there somewhere |
| 08:37.06 | juri_ | now, i'll do it again, per your advice... but when i'm done doing it again, i'm going to want a different answer. ;) |
| 08:37.23 | ompaul | film the event cos I can't see what you're doing |
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| 08:38.00 | juri_ | sighs. |
| 08:38.05 | juri_ | the world is not youtube, dear. |
| 08:38.14 | juri_ | as in, i don't have a video camera. |
| 08:38.24 | ompaul | (A) I ain't dear, (B) I'm cheap |
| 08:39.05 | ompaul | basically the problem here is that I can't see you're install, and it doesn't work doesn't give anyone much to go on |
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| 08:39.30 | juri_ | better answer. ;) |
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| 08:53.43 | devoid1 | What dependency can fix this problem I have: http://pastie.org/private/emo5e7qdcufrwm55jm6ga . I already have the libs for bzip and bzip binary |
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| 08:55.46 | juri_ | ok, for youre reference, i'm not getting an 'install the base system' option. |
| 08:56.04 | juri_ | when i try to install the system, it fails, but if i try the step under that, it allows me to select 'install the base system'. |
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| 08:57.03 | chelz | juri_: sure you have enough hdd space? |
| 08:57.24 | chelz | you can execute a shell to poke around, check stuff like disk space usage |
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| 09:03.29 | dutchfish | hi, are there any efforts going on to include webm in konqueror within debian wheezy? If, so any hints or links? |
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| 09:06.51 | chelz | dutchfish: you could see what version of konqueror webm is supposed to be in then check what version of konquerer is getting into wheezy |
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| 09:08.05 | dutchfish | chelz, 4:4.6.5-1 but expect a 4.7 or 4.8 in the near future, no idee when |
| 09:09.02 | dutchfish | chelz, but i seam not to find anything relevant to webm |
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| 09:09.32 | devoid1 | anybody know where i can get libc6 >= for squeeze |
| 09:09.36 | chelz | dutchfish: checking with the konqueror project on their webm support would be a good first step |
| 09:10.03 | devoid1 | sorry i meant libc6 >= 2.15 |
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| 09:10.29 | chelz | devoid1: upgrading the version of libc in a distro release is generally not ever recommended. if it's not in backports then you might have to wait or try out wheezy builds |
| 09:10.39 | chelz | devoid1: what do you need it for? |
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| 09:12.06 | pksadiq | യൌഹഗൂ |
| 09:12.12 | pksadiq | sorry |
| 09:12.37 | devoid1 | chelz: i'm trying to install eiskaltdcpp, it requires it when i "dpkg -i" the deb files. |
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| 09:13.43 | dutchfish | chelz, the funny thing is that my browser has webm support acoording to this page http://html5test.com/ |
| 09:14.01 | shifty | anyone with experience with par2? I have two DVDs of photos. I want to spread them across three DVDs, with parity data. Question: am I better with 33% parity, spread across the three disks, or 11% parity duplicated across three disks? (Assumption: I will always have all three disks.) |
| 09:14.23 | chelz | devoid1: why not install the eiskaltdcpp in the repos? |
| 09:14.34 | chelz | dutchfish: that sounds good then :) |
| 09:14.52 | devoid1 | devoid: Well, I tried that. But I need the newest version which none of the repos have. |
| 09:14.57 | chelz | shifty: more parity means you can recover more later. more is better with parity. |
| 09:14.57 | devoid1 | chelz* |
| 09:15.08 | dutchfish | chelz, but only for the video part not the audio part |
| 09:15.18 | chelz | devoid1: the newer one does something special? |
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| 09:15.30 | chelz | dutchfish: yeah i'd ask the kde people |
| 09:15.30 | devoid1 | chelz: Yes, LUA scripting is fixed in it. |
| 09:15.50 | dutchfish | chelz, fair enough | Thanks! |
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| 09:16.57 | chelz | devoid1: 2.2.5 is in wheezy |
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| 09:17.45 | chelz | devoid1: you can try grabbing the src packages from wheezy and compiling them, which is the proper way to install newer packages |
| 09:18.01 | chelz | devoid1: could also try running the ms windows version in wine |
| 09:18.39 | shifty | (regarding par2) assume I have 1% error on disk one, do I need /all/ my parity data, or will the parity data contained simply on disk one (of three - basically a partial amount of the total parity) suffice to rebuild that small amount of damage? |
| 09:18.54 | Devil_Kin | hey folks, question - kernel 3.2.0-1-amd64 as shipped with testing no longer allows my gf's eeepc to suspend (wakes up 1 sec after), unloading ehci_hcd en ochi_hcd makes things work again , is this a known issue? the bts page for linux-2.6 (src) won't ever finish loading, so I can't check. |
| 09:19.11 | devoid1 | chelz: I will check which version it was they fixed it in. I should have gotten that information already. Why is compiling from source more proper than a script? And I wish to avoid wine. |
| 09:19.33 | devoid1 | script/program* |
| 09:19.46 | shifty | I'm worried about my files - I don't want to have the additional worry of making sure the parity data is 100% complete. |
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| 09:20.30 | chelz | devoid1: well your options are to either install a newer package containing binaries directly (like the deb you were trying to install), or grab the source packages that correspond to the newer packages then try to build those |
| 09:20.42 | L551_ | I installed debian, but I don't have any options to configure the network or any administration options |
| 09:20.56 | dutchfish | shifty, about parity, it depends on the raid and how it is striped | see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_RAID_levels |
| 09:21.02 | chelz | shifty: the parity is for the files you feed to par2 when you generate the parity data |
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| 09:22.06 | chelz | L551_: that's really basic. you're gonna have to google that. |
| 09:22.25 | chelz | shifty: also read the wikipedia page on par2 |
| 09:22.26 | devoid1 | chelz: Yeah of course, I would prefer to have the newest. But when I compile from source I get this error: http://pastie.org/private/emo5e7qdcufrwm55jm6ga |
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| 09:24.04 | dutchfish | Devil_Kin, have you tried the latest initramfs tools that just hitted wheezy? |
| 09:24.04 | L551_ | I don't know why it's set up where I have to login as ROOT to change basic options |
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| 09:24.11 | chelz | devoid1: your cmake lacks bzip2 support |
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| 09:25.16 | chelz | devoid1: or you're missing some libraries. either way googling should fix it |
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| 09:25.21 | dutchfish | Devil_Kin, also the .7 is not in sid yet (kernel) that also has some fixes |
| 09:25.21 | Devil_Kin | dutchfish: no, i'm still on 0.99 |
| 09:25.25 | shifty | dutchfish: chelz:, thank you, but I'm not trying to ask a newby question. I'm trying to confirm that I have understood what the best option for me is (vis-a-vis 11% vs 33%). I'm pretty sure I know the answer, just wanted additional confirmation from other clever people. |
| 09:25.53 | Devil_Kin | dutchfish: i've (in my search) already upgraded to the kernel currently in sid, just to rule out any issues there. I'll have a go with the initramfs-tools |
| 09:26.14 | dutchfish | Devil_Kin, if not report back |
| 09:26.21 | devoid1 | chelz: I really googled all there was, but without luck. I do have all the bzip and libbzip already. So I guess you are right about cmake. |
| 09:27.17 | dutchfish | Devil_Kin, there are still udev issues with wheezyś current udev (hint) |
| 09:27.23 | L551_ | I don't feel like googling for hours, can you just help me get this right so I can be on my way |
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| 09:27.39 | valdyn | !hurry |
| 09:27.39 | dpkg | Ohhhhh.... Aaaarrrreeee yyyyoooouuuuuuuuu iiiinnnn a huuuuurrrrrrryyyyy? Welllllll... We do not cater to the ["me!me!me! : mine!mine!mine! : now!now!now!now!"] crowd .. so bugger off! Run home crying now ..and tell jo'momma that we spanked you! |
| 09:27.43 | chelz | shifty: basically figure out the free space you have across the disks, then fill that up with all the parity you can. pick a suitable parity file size to make sure it fits |
| 09:27.53 | chelz | L551_: not how it works |
| 09:28.16 | devoid1 | What's the best way to remove cmake, so it doesn't cause troblems with the new compiled version? |
| 09:28.23 | devoid1 | troubles* |
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| 09:29.17 | dutchfish | devoid1, what wrong with aptitude purge foo? |
| 09:30.03 | L551_ | I don't understand what I'm missing here, I've never NOT had the ability to change basic options in a linux distro. And googling "Debian no administration options" Doesn't seem to be relevant |
| 09:30.20 | devoid1 | dutchfish: Well, it wasn't because I'm saying there is something wrong with that. I just don't want the two to interfere and mess up my system. |
| 09:30.26 | shifty | chelz: ok, cool. just to check - assume I loose two of three DVDs, and there is a small scratch on the one I have. So I have a corrupted file, and one third of the par2 files (which were originally configured to contain 33% parity). Can I correct a 1% error (the scratch) with the parity I have? |
| 09:30.54 | chelz | shifty: as long as you have enough blocks on that disk to repair 1% |
| 09:31.05 | shifty | chelz: (further to the above) a RANDOM one-third of parity files |
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| 09:31.14 | chelz | shifty: i'm almost certain the par2 docs go into that |
| 09:31.21 | dutchfish | devoid1, if you still want to prevent caching trouble with cmake try: cd <build-dir> && rm -rf * && cmake <source_dir> |
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| 09:32.37 | dutchfish | devoid1, happened to me after libc6 updates on wheezy |
| 09:32.39 | shifty | chelz: many thanks - I'll do the reading again. |
| 09:33.01 | devoid1 | dutchfish: By build dir, then you mean e.g. /usr/bin right? So I just type "which cmake" and rm -rf it? and then cmake the new source? |
| 09:33.17 | dutchfish | devoid1, build dir of your package |
| 09:33.26 | L551_ | annnd sudo isn't even installed, and I have no idea what the su password is |
| 09:33.28 | L551_ | great. |
| 09:34.28 | dutchfish | devoid1, and that is *not* $(which cmake) |
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| 09:35.03 | devoid1 | dutchfish: I am not completely sure what that is. In which system folder does that reside in? When I gotten cmake I used apt-get and I don't know which dir. |
| 09:35.07 | ElPenetreitor | who here hates niggers? |
| 09:35.24 | dutchfish | devoid1, then rephrase your question |
| 09:36.17 | devoid1 | dutchfish: sorry I am a little confused now. I used apt-get to install it. So is the best way now to just apt-get purge? |
| 09:36.21 | ElPenetreitor | I fucking hate niggers! |
| 09:36.28 | ElPenetreitor | That is why I am a member of Chimpout Forum! |
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| 09:37.21 | dutchfish | devoid1, either will do, but i highly recommend aptitude over apt-get | i solely use apt-get on big mergers when aptitude leaves me in the cold |
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| 09:38.43 | devoid1 | dutchfish: This may sound stupid, but last time I ran "aptitude" because i needed to install something. It listed nearly all the binaries.. Should I be worried to run it? |
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| 09:40.10 | dutchfish | devoid1, well, in doubt run the drill: aptitude clean && aptitude update && aptitude -s -y dist-upgrade (that gives you a dry run) |
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| 09:40.55 | dutchfish | devoid1, asuming you have not messed up /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 09:41.19 | devoid1 | dutchfish: Now that you say that.. I'm afraid I have |
| 09:41.43 | devoid1 | dutchfish: I didn't think it could be that though |
| 09:41.44 | dutchfish | devoid1, well, paste it to pastebin, we could have a look at it, if in doubt |
| 09:41.57 | devoid1 | dutchfish, ok sure |
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| 09:44.49 | devoid1 | dutchfish: Hmm yes, it looks like it's messed up, to me. But I'll still paste it: http://pastie.org/private/f41knm3bfmpflahojpw |
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| 09:46.16 | dutchfish | devoid1, that should work, still using 2 mirrors can give iffy results (depending on the update status of both mirrors) |
| 09:46.39 | dutchfish | devoid1, choose one good mirror carefully |
| 09:46.57 | dutchfish | !debian mirrors |
| 09:46.57 | dpkg | Debian mirror sites are listed at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list and ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt and http://deb.li/map ; ask me about <apt-spy>, <netselect-apt>, <geo sources.list>. To make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ ; see also <debmirror>, <apt-mirror>, <mirror size>. #debian-mirrors on irc.oftc.net. |
| 09:47.18 | BenNZ | devoid1: not sure if mixing squeeze and wheezy is a good choice either |
| 09:47.46 | devoid1 | dutchfish: Well, I guess the most important thing is how up to date they are. |
| 09:47.59 | dutchfish | BenNZ, good point |
| 09:48.03 | devoid1 | BenNZ: I was thinking the same |
| 09:49.21 | dutchfish | devoid1, using some packages out of wheezy by means of a mirror is generally not a good idee; instead use bpo or your own backports |
| 09:49.49 | dutchfish | devoid1, or switch to wheezy if you are brave |
| 09:50.43 | dutchfish | devoid1, however, wheezy is not recommended for production | you need quiet some basic understanding of the process involved using testing |
| 09:51.10 | L551_ | None of this is making any sense on how to change the root password |
| 09:51.11 | dutchfish | devoid1, be prepared to encounter bugs |
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| 09:51.35 | L551_ | Add init=/bin/bash to GRUB, but that seems to do nothing |
| 09:51.36 | devoid1 | dutchfish: I see, it was mainly because I needed some libraries and programs that were not available on squeeze. |
| 09:51.49 | dutchfish | devoid1, the q remains, why you need wheezy in the first place? |
| 09:52.18 | BenNZ | L551_: depending on your sudo config, sudo su passwd |
| 09:52.29 | dutchfish | devoid1, have you carefully looked if they are in in bpo? |
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| 09:52.42 | devoid1 | dutchfish: That's a good question, I must have used it for a library. But that's some time ago that I did that. And what's a bpo exactly? |
| 09:52.54 | dutchfish | !bpo |
| 09:52.54 | devoid1 | dutchfish: A wikipedia link would be nice , or any manual |
| 09:52.54 | dpkg | backports.debian.org (formerly backports.org) is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Ask me about <backport caveat> and read http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ to enable and use. See also <bdo kernel> <bdo mirrors> <bdo contents> <bdo list> <bdo bugs> <backports-sloppy> <bdo xorg>. |
| 09:53.20 | BenNZ | L551_: sorry i meant sudo su then passwd |
| 09:53.40 | devoid1 | dutchfish: But it is referring to an older version or am I wrong? |
| 09:53.52 | devoid1 | dutchfish: Which have been ported to newer distro version |
| 09:53.58 | L551_ | Authentication token manipluation error |
| 09:54.00 | L551_ | What |
| 09:54.31 | dutchfish | devoid1, read the info from bpo carefully | what libs or packages are you trying to use? |
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| 09:55.18 | BenNZ | L551_: sudo passwd |
| 09:55.49 | L551_ | sudo isn't installed |
| 09:56.20 | himmelstrutz | i've got some problem with my wifi-connection. this is what my syslog says: "No probe response from AP -- disconnnecting" / "wlan0: no IPv6 routers present", etc. the funny thing is that I am able to do a half successful apt-get update, if I am fast enough (/etc/init.d/netoworking start; apt-get update), but it then disconnects. my wifi-card is a Atheros Communications Inc. AR5413 802.11abg. any suggestions? |
| 09:56.30 | devoid1 | dutchfish: I will do that. I do understand what you mean about the whole thing of it's not a good idea to mix stable and potentially unstable. The libs and packages were some time ago, so I can't really recall. |
| 09:56.41 | dutchfish | devoid1, bingo |
| 09:57.04 | devoid1 | dutchfish: But from now on, I will surely remember what you have told me |
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| 09:57.20 | dutchfish | devoid1, bpo is a good option if they have the packages you need, it keeps your install base sane |
| 09:57.38 | L551_ | I still can't run su |
| 09:57.38 | dutchfish | great |
| 09:57.39 | L551_ | What is this |
| 09:58.11 | L551_ | I changed the damn root password |
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| 09:58.51 | L551_ | This is the most trouble I've ever had with a linux distro trying to do something basic |
| 09:58.53 | devoid1 | dutchfish: I will look into it, right now I need to check out that aptitude and see if anything happens like I experienced before, in order to get that cmake with bzip2. Thanks for your help so far ;) |
| 09:58.54 | BenNZ | L551_: boot into single user and change the passwd then |
| 09:59.11 | L551_ | I just did that |
| 09:59.12 | dutchfish | devoid1, yw |
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| 09:59.54 | BenNZ | L551_: ok so did you change your passwd succesfully? |
| 10:01.32 | L551_ | Yeah |
| 10:01.38 | L551_ | passwd root |
| 10:01.41 | L551_ | changed it |
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| 10:02.42 | L551_ | Authentication Failuer |
| 10:02.45 | L551_ | *flips table* |
| 10:03.13 | dutchfish | L551_, you can change root's password if you don know root's password and haven't sudo and the rights to do it. period. |
| 10:03.20 | dutchfish | s/can/can't |
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| 10:04.52 | devoid1 | dutchfish: Right now, it's just mainly listing the Eiskaltdcpp binary files that I attempted to install earlier. I am running "aptitude -s -y dist-upgrade". What do I do to remove them and perform dist-upgrade? |
| 10:06.10 | dutchfish | devoid1, if you have installed them from local | dpkg --remove foo |
| 10:06.43 | dutchfish | devoid1, list them with: dpkg -l | grep foo |
| 10:06.50 | devoid1 | dutchfish: Ah, I believe I did that, will try now. |
| 10:08.02 | devoid1 | dutchfish: Yes there are many packages listed, is it possible to remove all in one query? |
| 10:08.03 | dutchfish | devoid1, you might want to remove that wheezy line in sources.list *before* dist-upgrading to prevent going completely to wheezy, if thta is your intention |
| 10:08.16 | devoid1 | dutchfish: I have done that. |
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| 10:08.36 | devoid1 | dutchfish: removed it that is. |
| 10:08.41 | dutchfish | devoid1, you could drop the result in pastebin, so we could take a look at it |
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| 10:09.17 | dutchfish | devoid1, so far i have no clue what the statuses of you packages are, either squeeze or wheezy |
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| 10:11.55 | BenNZ | L551_: look here http://nixcraft.com/linux-software/246-debian-boot-into-grub-single-user-mode.html |
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| 10:12.23 | BenNZ | L551_: should work , except instead of pressing enter , press ctrl x |
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| 10:14.57 | Elive_user89_en | how to chatting using the terminal |
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| 10:15.10 | dutchfish | Elive_user89_en, irssi |
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| 10:16.39 | Elive_user89_en | i have try that also cannot used |
| 10:16.57 | dutchfish | Elive_user89_en, is it installed and configured? |
| 10:17.34 | Elive_user89_en | the command cannot found |
| 10:17.42 | dutchfish | Elive_user89_en, install it |
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| 10:18.05 | Elive_user89_en | how to install can you show to me |
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| 10:18.55 | dutchfish | Elive_user89_en, http://wiki.debian.org/irssi | you can install it (as root): aptitude install irssi |
| 10:19.13 | Elive_user89_en | thnx u |
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| 10:19.22 | dutchfish | Elive_user89_en, don't run it as root ;) |
| 10:19.44 | Elive_user89_en | ok.. |
| 10:19.46 | Elive_user89_en | ;) |
| 10:19.50 | Elive_user89_en | thnx |
| 10:19.53 | dutchfish | yw |
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| 10:22.53 | Elive_user89_en | did u know how to install the printer using debain |
| 10:23.29 | dutchfish | Elive_user89_en, it depends on make and model either using cups or simular |
| 10:23.52 | Elive_user89_en | how about the canon printer |
| 10:23.55 | dutchfish | !cups |
| 10:23.56 | dpkg | CUPS (formerly Common UNIX Printing System) provides a portable printing layer for UNIX-based operating systems and supports the Internet Printing Protocol. To install, ask me about <cups setup>. See also <debug cups>. http://cups.org/articles.php?L+TFAQ http://www.cups.org/ ##cups on irc.freenode.net. |
| 10:24.14 | Knaldgas | Is there a Debian-way to handle multiple networking profiles? - E.g. a "home-develop" profile where the WLAN is connected to the house-network, and eth0 with fixed IP and dhcp server (for developing ethernet-enabled embedded devices)... |
| 10:24.50 | Knaldgas | It should support wired, wireless and broadband interfaces. |
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| 10:26.06 | dutchfish | Knaldgas, http://wiki.debian.org/WiF | http://wiki.debian.org/Internet_Connection_Sharing | also google on debian multihomed wlan |
| 10:26.43 | Elive_user89_en | dutchfish thnxs a lot.. |
| 10:26.48 | dutchfish | Elive_user89_en, yw |
| 10:27.28 | Elive_user89_en | you help me to solve my problem |
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| 10:30.30 | Elive_user89_en | #logout |
| 10:30.38 | L551_ | Okay, so after resetting the root password to get su access, installing sudo, configuring the network until I can figure out how to get wireless working |
| 10:30.52 | L551_ | I still don't know why system-> Administration is empty |
| 10:30.57 | L551_ | Except for login screen |
| 10:31.26 | L551_ | Looking around, some say to install alacarte or gnome-system-tools |
| 10:31.36 | L551_ | But they give me "No INstallation candidate" |
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| 10:33.42 | vibhav | Can anybody help me in compiling nux ? |
| 10:33.48 | vibhav | I have installed glib2.0 |
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| 10:34.48 | vibhav | and it displays http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/856371/ |
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| 10:35.28 | Rico | Hey all |
| 10:35.38 | ksuhku | L551_, how did you exactly install debian? |
| 10:36.36 | L551_ | From a CD |
| 10:36.50 | L551_ | Only CD1, though, I wasn't about to download 52 ISOs |
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| 10:37.02 | L551_ | And I don't have any blank DVDs unfortunately |
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| 10:37.39 | themill | !show sources.list L551_ |
| 10:37.40 | dpkg | L551_: Please pastebin the contents of your /etc/apt/sources.list and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*.list. The easiest way to do this is to pastebin the output of: find /etc/apt/ -name '*.list' -printf "\n%p:\n" -exec cat {} \; |
| 10:37.45 | ksuhku | L551_, squeeze? |
| 10:38.06 | L551_ | Debian 6 |
| 10:38.33 | dutchfish | vibhav, depends on the version of nux, is this a debian system? |
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| 10:39.02 | themill | vibhav: what release of debian is this on? |
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| 10:40.09 | vibhav | dutchfish: Its ubuntu actually |
| 10:40.50 | themill | vibhav: you really need to ask #ubuntu what package names and versions they have, then. |
| 10:40.50 | dutchfish | vibhav, since i have no ubuntu systems at hand, maybe you should ask in #ubuntu? |
| 10:41.00 | vibhav | thanks |
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| 10:41.29 | L551_ | http://pastebin.com/8qDZGMwN |
| 10:42.34 | themill | dpkg: tell L551_ about make squeeze sources.list |
| 10:42.44 | themill | L551_: you have no mirror in your sources.list |
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| 10:46.12 | L551_ | Okay, now what? |
| 10:46.29 | Knaldgas | dutchfish: Thanks, this does not provide the whole solution, as far as I can see, I can set the individual profiles up, but I was looking for a tool that made changing profiles easy. Is there an easier way than just scripting it from scratch you think? |
| 10:46.39 | themill | L551_: "aptitude update; aptitude safe-upgrade" |
| 10:47.29 | dutchfish | Knaldgas, actually i hoped for that in KDE 4.8 by networkmanager. But so far i needed to script it from scratch. I am with you and your question is very valid. |
| 10:48.17 | dutchfish | Knaldgas, i do not know if gnome has a solution |
| 10:48.28 | themill | ,i whereami |
| 10:48.29 | judd | Package whereami (net, extra) in squeeze/i386: Automatically reconfigure your (laptop) system for a new location. Version: 0.3.34-0.3; Size: 61.8k; Installed: 416k |
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| 10:48.53 | dutchfish | Knaldgas, both have ways of running scripts after login | thus to prevent accidental security leaking |
| 10:48.55 | themill | Knaldgas: ^^ I have no idea whether that really meets your requirements or not... it's years since I used it |
| 10:49.05 | Knaldgas | netcfg does seem to provide exactly that functionality, but according to the current maintainer, it's "one big hack" being cleaned up :) |
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| 10:49.28 | Knaldgas | Perhaps that's why Debian does not encourage it yet :) |
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| 10:52.29 | L551_ | Okay, I did that, but System->Administration is still empty save for Login Screen |
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| 10:52.46 | themill | L551_: so now you can install whatever packages you're looking for |
| 10:53.05 | L551_ | But I don't know what I need to get that menu right |
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| 10:53.34 | themill | dpkg: tell L551_ about install gnome |
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| 10:54.00 | L551_ | I have gnome. |
| 10:54.02 | themill | L551_: nor do I, but you could install one of those packages like gnome-desktop-environment as dpkg just suggested. That would pick up more for you. |
| 10:54.06 | bau | ciao |
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| 10:54.28 | bau | !list |
| 10:54.28 | dpkg | VATTENE VIA! |
| 10:54.29 | themill | L551_: you have some bits of gnome. There are more, evidently... otherwise you wouldn't be asking this question |
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| 10:56.08 | bau | !help |
| 10:56.17 | themill | bau: no warez here |
| 10:56.39 | bau | ok sorry |
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| 10:57.25 | bau | chat for debian |
| 10:57.27 | bau | ? |
| 10:57.36 | nsadmin | bau, some of the stuff we have is better than warez |
| 10:57.53 | nsadmin | some is just normal stuff you'd find in any os |
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| 10:58.42 | bau | I believe .. but what kind nsadmin? |
| 10:58.42 | nsadmin | bau, this channel is to support users of debian; in particular, how a user can install it |
| 10:59.04 | nsadmin | bau, you could browse packages.debian.org if you want |
| 10:59.37 | nsadmin | lots of kinds... no idea what you might be interested in |
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| 10:59.58 | bau | ok thanks .. nsadmin very kind :) |
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| 11:00.38 | nsadmin | so if you have a good amount of unpartitioned disk space, maybe you'd want to try debian |
| 11:00.48 | nsadmin | or, are you already running it? |
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| 11:01.41 | bau | of course if you want .. I thank you again .. nsadmin but how do I do? :) |
| 11:01.56 | nsadmin | well no; if YOU want |
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| 11:02.38 | nsadmin | I have a policy which says "THEY choose what they want to run" |
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| 11:03.32 | bau | sure .. No I do not seem to be running .. I do not know .. You look nsadmin info .. however I do not think you are Italian right? |
| 11:03.56 | nsadmin | no, I'm from US |
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| 11:04.20 | nsadmin | oh, is Italian your native language? |
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| 11:05.19 | nsadmin | bau, we have a lot of channels, where people from different countries are. What is your native language? |
| 11:05.32 | bau | you .. However, you are always the best U.S. .. I am Italian and English do not understand it at all unfortunately :) |
| 11:06.04 | nsadmin | would you like to speak to someone in Italian? |
| 11:06.06 | bau | I'm Italian |
| 11:06.18 | nsadmin | !it |
| 11:06.18 | dpkg | Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help. |
| 11:07.23 | bau | thanks you too kind .. really ..! Whether you dpkg nsadmin |
| 11:07.30 | bau | si grazie troppo gentili.. veramente..!! Sia nsadmin che dpkg |
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| 11:09.02 | koisoke | !fi |
| 11:09.03 | dpkg | from memory, fi is Finland, or the end of an if block, or an abbreviation for First-In....as in FIFO First In First Out, or /join #debian-fi |
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| 11:09.28 | nsadmin | the thing is, it should still be ok to have fun with computers and learn from them. |
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| 11:10.52 | nsadmin | bau, one thing you'll find with debian and linux in general is it has an incredible amount of expressiveness... meaning you can do pretty much anything you want |
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| 11:13.57 | LV-426 | hi guys, does anyone know where the uuid reported by 'lshw -c system' comes from ? will this change say upon enabling power-on_password ? |
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| 11:20.00 | makayabou | hello. I have some problem compiling aircrack in testing |
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| 11:20.43 | nsadmin | , versions python |
| 11:20.44 | judd | Package: python on i386 -- lenny: 2.5.2-3; squeeze: 2.6.6-3+squeeze6; sid: 2.7.2-10; wheezy: 2.7.2-10 |
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| 11:21.23 | nsadmin | 2.6.6-3+squeeze6 comes from security.d.o? |
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| 11:22.23 | makayabou | paste.debian.net/157534 |
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| 11:40.20 | jelly-home | ,versions aircrack-ng |
| 11:40.21 | judd | Package: aircrack-ng on i386 -- lenny: 1:1.0~rc1-2 |
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| 11:41.23 | jelly-home | makayabou: there used to be a build of 1.1 in Debian a while ago. Why not try finding it on snapshot.debian.org |
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| 11:55.37 | ketsa | hi could someone please recommend me a media converter package ? i need mostly to convert various video formats flv avi mpg to mp3 |
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| 12:02.34 | simonlnu | !mencoder |
| 12:02.35 | dpkg | mencoder is in Debian from squeeze onwards and also available from the debian-multimedia.org repository, ask me about <dmm>. For usage instructions, see http://www.mplayerhq.hu/DOCS/HTML/en/mencoder.html and http://www.mplayerhq.hu/DOCS/HTML/en/encoding-guide.html . Also ask me about <mplayer faq>. |
| 12:02.46 | simonlnu | ketsa: ^ |
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| 12:03.05 | ketsa | simonlnu: thanks ) |
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| 12:08.25 | jetscreamer | waves again |
| 12:10.35 | cysnap | back |
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| 12:18.33 | simonlnu | hi jet |
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| 12:21.57 | ben1066_ | So I have debian on one drive, at a later date I should be able to DD it accross to another drive |
| 12:22.00 | ben1066_ | ? |
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| 12:25.14 | ben1066_ | or is it better to just reinstall |
| 12:25.17 | ben1066_ | then copy the files I need |
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| 12:26.42 | chmac | How do I check if a package was installed manually or as a dependency? |
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| 12:27.21 | konverguoju | does it show in synaptics pmng? |
| 12:27.40 | chmac | konverguoju: It does, I'm trying to do it on a terminal on a remote server. |
| 12:27.45 | themill | chmac: aptitude show packagename |
| 12:28.07 | chmac | themill: Awesome, thanks a lot |
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| 12:29.00 | chmac | Can I find out which package it was installed as a dependency of without manually checking every reverse dependency? |
| 12:29.37 | bolt | wine fails to install the gecko browser when it prompts me if i want it (opening help in a windows program). how can I install gecko for wine manually? |
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| 12:30.10 | chmac | I've got two near identical systems and mail is installed on one but not the other, trying to figure out why. |
| 12:33.15 | themill | chmac: "aptitude why packagename" |
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| 12:34.19 | chmac | themill: Awesome, thanks a lot. |
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| 12:36.24 | raptor67682 | hello how to join electrical switch on wall and USB that simuluatae press a key |
| 12:36.55 | raptor67682 | so that will big electrical switch for wall, I can set up to activate a key into openbox and run sh command. |
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| 12:38.12 | bolt | raptor67682: what? |
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| 12:38.44 | raptor67682 | for my little kids, I would like to let them start cartoons by simple press on a big button |
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| 12:39.08 | bolt | what does that have to do with a wall switch? |
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| 12:39.40 | kripz | how do i open and check dmesg.1.gz with a single or piped command? |
| 12:39.59 | raptor67682 | I do not know, but any button would be fine, it must simply be big enough |
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| 12:40.55 | amdgoon_ | kripz: use gunzip |
| 12:41.05 | alnr | i need to automate (script) the install of a sysv script. should I use update.rc.d (as supplied by sysv-rc) or is there a preferred way |
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| 12:42.49 | _ramo | hi |
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| 12:42.59 | ompaul | alnr: update.rc-d is the way for scripts |
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| 12:43.44 | ompaul | _ramo: 1133 people won't return your greeting it would kind of make the channel unusable ;-) welcome anyway |
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| 12:44.02 | _ramo | ompaul: nice one ;) |
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| 12:44.30 | makayabou | jelly-home: it worked with binary from snapshot.debian.org . THanks |
| 12:44.59 | _ramo | is there a package for "capistrano" on debian squeeze? |
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| 12:45.10 | _ramo | in my default installation it doesn't seem to be one |
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| 12:45.59 | kripz | _ramo, doesnt look like it http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=capistrano&searchon=names&suite=all§ion=all |
| 12:46.27 | ompaul | !capistrano |
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| 12:46.38 | ompaul | ,versions capistrano |
| 12:46.39 | judd | Package: capistrano on i386 -- sid: 2.9.0-1; wheezy: 2.9.0-1 |
| 12:46.42 | themill | _ramo: there are plenty of other alternatives to capistrano in the archive that you could consider |
| 12:46.53 | themill | (it's not backportable) |
| 12:46.56 | ompaul | !tell _ramo about bpo |
| 12:47.03 | ompaul | dph |
| 12:47.17 | ompaul | doh _ramo ignore that message from the bot |
| 12:47.23 | kripz | im currently running squeeze and want to upgrade to wheezy but run a maximum of kernel 3.0.0, how can i acheive this? |
| 12:47.29 | _ramo | themill: i have a symfony 2 applicatoin... and there are deployment tools for it called capifony, that build on the top of capistrano |
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| 12:50.29 | _ramo | hm, that's bad |
| 12:50.49 | _ramo | i have to configure one more virtual machine with an ubuntu on it and run capistrano from this server |
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| 12:55.53 | fasta | Is there a way to accept self-signed certificates which are really wrong in Chrome? |
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| 12:56.56 | _ramo | how would i do it to create a public key on my machine and add it to a remote host so that i don't have to log in every time when i'm using ssh? |
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| 12:57.51 | nsadmin | _ramo, you mean for ssh connections? |
| 12:57.56 | ompaul | _ramo: ssh-keygen -t rsa (hit enter a few times - add passwords as and when needed) |
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| 12:58.15 | _ramo | nsadmin: yes |
| 12:58.21 | _ramo | ompaul: okay |
| 12:58.29 | ompaul | _ramo: then scp .ssh/id_rsa.pub user@foo:.ssh/my-other-box |
| 12:59.00 | nsadmin | ok, ompaul presents the overall thing |
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| 12:59.15 | ompaul | _ramo: then ssh to remote machine and cat my-other-box >> authorized_keys then ... CTRL + D and you log out log in again happy day |
| 12:59.16 | ompaul | s |
| 12:59.24 | nsadmin | you mention a public key, and that's not enough to create. |
| 12:59.34 | nsadmin | ssh-keygen creates a PAIR of keys |
| 12:59.41 | nsadmin | pub half, priv half |
| 13:00.00 | ompaul | _ramo: read nsadmin and the theory of ssh - I just force it to happy |
| 13:00.05 | ompaul | s/happy/happen |
| 13:00.49 | ompaul | _ramo: and that goes from the client to the server |
| 13:01.00 | ompaul | _ramo: not the other way around |
| 13:01.35 | _ramo | ompaul: yes, i did it like you said... but if i do now a ssh user@host i just get asked for an password |
| 13:01.49 | nsadmin | you keep the priv half, guard it with... your life, or a bug's life, or something |
| 13:01.58 | nsadmin | and pass out the pub half |
| 13:02.00 | _ramo | nsadmin: yep |
| 13:02.05 | _ramo | sure |
| 13:02.07 | ompaul | _ramo: you did the ssh-keygen on the client machine? |
| 13:02.18 | _ramo | ompaul: yes |
| 13:02.18 | ompaul | _ramo: the one from where you ssh? |
| 13:02.19 | nsadmin | the next part... |
| 13:02.23 | _ramo | ompaul: yes |
| 13:02.46 | ompaul | _ramo: did you add a password when you were making the keys? |
| 13:02.50 | _ramo | nope |
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| 13:03.19 | ompaul | _ramo: pastebin ls -al .ssh on the server please |
| 13:03.48 | cardamon | carries his private key around on a flash drive while his public sits at home on his server |
| 13:04.23 | cardamon | http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/234/765/b7e.jpg |
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| 13:05.33 | nsadmin | _ramo so the next part is whether to put a passphrase on a key pair |
| 13:06.03 | nsadmin | if you don't do it, then you have to guard the priv key with your daughter's life |
| 13:06.13 | ompaul | _ramo: where is the pastebin? |
| 13:06.31 | _ramo | ompaul: http://privatepaste.com/d7240375bc/sff2fweqr4tr |
| 13:06.46 | nsadmin | then, you never need to enter a passphrase |
| 13:06.48 | ompaul | all pastebins are public, some are less public than others |
| 13:06.50 | _ramo | nsadmin: for that i have to create a daughter |
| 13:07.00 | nsadmin | that's up to you :) |
| 13:07.01 | ompaul | they are not created |
| 13:07.11 | nsadmin | or destoryed |
| 13:07.23 | _ramo | generated |
| 13:07.36 | _ramo | so ompaul that's looking correct, isn't it? |
| 13:07.39 | nsadmin | it's ALIVE!! |
| 13:07.39 | ompaul | _ramo: no |
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| 13:08.11 | ompaul | cat my-other-box >> authorized_keys |
| 13:08.11 | nsadmin | body parts, a coupla thousand volts... and boom! |
| 13:08.18 | _ramo | ompaul: i did this three times |
| 13:08.23 | _ramo | but i'll do it again |
| 13:08.38 | _ramo | okay, did it |
| 13:08.47 | nsadmin | ok, so, if you -do- put a passphrase on it, |
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| 13:08.48 | _ramo | now CTRL + D to log off, right? |
| 13:08.52 | ompaul | what size is authorized_keys now? |
| 13:09.01 | _ramo | 770 |
| 13:09.06 | ompaul | now it should work |
| 13:09.15 | nsadmin | then instead of putting the password, it will ask for your passPHRASE |
| 13:09.28 | _ramo | alright |
| 13:09.28 | ompaul | _ramo: if not then you have perhaps a corrupt authorized_keys file |
| 13:09.30 | _ramo | it's working |
| 13:09.35 | _ramo | thanks |
| 13:09.38 | _ramo | hmmm |
| 13:09.44 | nsadmin | there's a little trick that comes with the ssh package |
| 13:09.48 | _ramo | going to eeat some chocolate |
| 13:09.50 | nsadmin | it's called ssh-agent |
| 13:09.58 | ompaul | _ramo: read what nsadmin says |
| 13:10.01 | _ramo | i do |
| 13:10.01 | ompaul | heads off |
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| 13:11.01 | nsadmin | so, if you have a key (with/without passphrase), you can "add" it to the agent, and that adding will last until the ssh-agent program ends |
| 13:11.17 | nsadmin | and ssh will use the key in the agent |
| 13:11.33 | _ramo | nsadmin: how to do that? |
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| 13:12.02 | nsadmin | that's a way that you can use a key with a passphrase but not have to enter the passphrase more than once |
| 13:12.15 | _ramo | yes, i understood |
| 13:12.20 | nsadmin | ssh-agent wants to run something |
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| 13:12.24 | nsadmin | so you could type: |
| 13:12.28 | nsadmin | ssh-agent bash |
| 13:12.53 | nsadmin | ssh-agents starts, then runs bash "under" it |
| 13:13.20 | nsadmin | that bash process "knows" that ssh-agent process |
| 13:13.33 | nsadmin | then, from that bash, you can add the key |
| 13:13.46 | nsadmin | and THEN, from that bash, you can ssh elsewhere |
| 13:14.18 | _ramo | thank you, i'll try that |
| 13:14.32 | nsadmin | if the "elsewhere" knows a public key in the agent, you don't have to type the passphrase |
| 13:14.48 | nsadmin | warning, beyond this point is debian-specific |
| 13:15.04 | nsadmin | Brandon Robinson did a smart thing |
| 13:15.25 | nsadmin | at one point, he took over the x window system for debian |
| 13:15.48 | nsadmin | he decided: when someone logs into gdm/xdm/whateverdm, |
| 13:16.02 | themill | steals nsadmin's enter key |
| 13:16.18 | nsadmin | an ssh-agent would be run which is meant to start the x server |
| 13:16.28 | bolt | themill: gotta take return too |
| 13:16.32 | nsadmin | think about the implications of that for a moment |
| 13:16.52 | themill | bolt: and ^J, I guess. |
| 13:17.30 | nsadmin | it means that ANYthing that does "ssh-add" inside that x server will add the key to the ssh-agent that starts X |
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| 13:18.52 | nsadmin | and, it makes x forwarding using an ssh connection originated from an xterm work, so that if you ssh out and then start (say) xeyes from the remote, it displays on the local display |
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| 13:19.40 | nsadmin | themill, need the enters (or something) to give him a chance to think for a few secs |
| 13:20.56 | nsadmin | _ramo, that's pretty much it |
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| 13:21.14 | themill | nsadmin: no, they just make you look like an incoherent jibbering idiot. By breaking up the text, you actually make it a lot harder for people to follow you. |
| 13:21.26 | _ramo | yes, it is |
| 13:21.36 | _ramo | i gues i'll leave it without passphrase for the moments |
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| 13:22.11 | nsadmin | _ramo, if you want to try that way, look into ssh-agent and ssh-add |
| 13:22.34 | _ramo | nsadmin: okay, i'll |
| 13:22.39 | _ramo | thank you for the explnation |
| 13:23.15 | nsadmin | _ramo, did I look like a gibbering idiot? :) |
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| 13:23.46 | _ramo | nsadmin: why are you asking? |
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| 13:23.55 | _ramo | no, i'm really thankfull for the explenation |
| 13:24.06 | nsadmin | to see if perceptions differ :) |
| 13:24.28 | nsadmin | did you appreciate the pauses? |
| 13:24.50 | _ramo | just another question... i have an executable file in a path... but can't invoke it from elsewhere in the commandline |
| 13:25.00 | jelly-home | How do I update the mirror list to tell Debian my mirror now has all the architectures again? |
| 13:25.02 | _ramo | nsadmin: you did a lot of pauses |
| 13:26.04 | nsadmin | _ramo, could you show: echo ". $PATH" |
| 13:26.18 | nsadmin | the . thing will help with irc |
| 13:26.20 | themill | jelly-home: mirrors@debian.org? (or #debian-mirrors on irc.oftc.net) |
| 13:26.37 | _ramo | nsadmin: it's ./usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/local/games:/usr/games |
| 13:26.47 | dutchfish | jelly-home, http://www.debian.org/mirror/submit ? |
| 13:26.51 | _ramo | and the file i need is in: /var/lib/gems/1.8/gems/capistrano-2.11.2/bin/ |
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| 13:27.50 | nsadmin | ok, then you could: export PATH="$PATH:/var/lib/gems/1.8/gems/capistrano-2.11.2/bin" |
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| 13:28.01 | nsadmin | then you can run the thing in that dir |
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| 13:28.42 | nsadmin | and, if you look at $PATH again, you'll see the pathname you added on the right-hand side |
| 13:28.52 | _ramo | nsadmin: but this is only temporarily, right? |
| 13:28.56 | nsadmin | yes |
| 13:29.08 | _ramo | and, i always got the message: sudo: unable to resolve host (none) |
| 13:29.14 | nsadmin | there's supposed to be another way to run the gems, forgot |
| 13:29.22 | dutchfish | jelly-home, it has an update option in the form |
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| 13:30.10 | _ramo | i have some entries in /etc/hosts and /etc/hostname but somehow i still get this message |
| 13:30.40 | nsadmin | just so you know, I've always found that building ruby and then rubygems myself would always work; the debian packages never worked quite right with rubygems |
| 13:31.21 | nsadmin | and that's temporary too; some debian maint will find the problem and fix it |
| 13:31.34 | _ramo | nsadmin: do you know why i get: unable to resolve host (none) ? |
| 13:31.40 | _ramo | on my machine? |
| 13:31.53 | nsadmin | no, that I have no idea; I don't use sudo |
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| 13:32.40 | nsadmin | when you run hostname, does it return anything? |
| 13:33.01 | _ramo | it returns (none) |
| 13:33.17 | nsadmin | ok, so that's where sudo is getting "(none)" |
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| 13:34.55 | nsadmin | which could mean, a hostname was not set up when debian was installed |
| 13:35.08 | _ramo | nsadmin: so i have to look in /etc/hostname? |
| 13:35.25 | nsadmin | if you cat that, what does it say? |
| 13:35.45 | _ramo | in /etc/hostname i have #123.33.23.2 and below that ibWorker |
| 13:36.14 | nsadmin | and is that below thing what you want your hostname to be? |
| 13:36.24 | _ramo | nsadmin: yes |
| 13:36.30 | _ramo | is it wrong? |
| 13:36.47 | nsadmin | the format is wrong... it should have just the hostname |
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| 13:36.48 | _ramo | or should i take the ip and give it an alias? |
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| 13:37.29 | nsadmin | then you can put the hostname and the IP you want in /etc/hosts |
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| 13:37.53 | _ramo | nsadmin: so i now just added the hostname in it and removed the ip |
| 13:37.54 | nsadmin | there should be other entries in that file |
| 13:37.56 | _ramo | do i have to restart something? |
| 13:38.33 | nsadmin | first edit /etc/hosts |
| 13:38.47 | nsadmin | look at the existing entries first |
| 13:39.06 | nsadmin | then put your hostname there |
| 13:39.09 | _ramo | there i get: |
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| 13:39.21 | _ramo | 127.0.0.1 localhost |
| 13:39.22 | _ramo | 123.33.23.2 ibWorker |
| 13:39.34 | nsadmin | that should be good |
| 13:39.40 | _ramo | and onw a reboot? |
| 13:39.44 | nsadmin | save and quit from the editor |
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| 13:41.06 | nsadmin | well we should do that to test if it "takes", but first, do: hostname ibWorker |
| 13:41.06 | nsadmin | then try your sudo again |
| 13:41.51 | cysnap | I changed the hostname by command line : hostname mycomputer , but after reboot ,the hostname turn back to localhost again |
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| 13:42.18 | dutchfish | !tell cysnap about hostname |
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| 13:42.26 | nsadmin | cysnap, look in: /etc/hosts , /etc/hostname |
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| 13:42.35 | nsadmin | and see what dpkg /msged you |
| 13:43.18 | _ramo | nsadmin: i do need to do a reboot? |
| 13:43.43 | cysnap | thanks dutchfish and dpkg |
| 13:43.43 | nsadmin | can't answer him now :) |
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| 13:44.06 | iuhss | hi. |
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| 13:45.42 | _ramo1 | nsadmin: can you remember how installing rubygems and execute gems on debian? |
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| 13:46.24 | sgnoppolina | !list |
| 13:46.25 | dpkg | sgnoppolina: È possibile di scaricare un sacco di software libero puntando il tuo browser a http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-6.0.4-amd64-i386-netinst.iso ! |
| 13:46.30 | iuhss | i can connect to a visible WLAN using gnome-network-manager. But if i switch the WLAN to invisible i can not connect to it any more. Other clients of course can still connect. Could you give me a hint how to fix this? |
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| 13:47.39 | nsadmin | I just followed the build instructions... if you do build it yourself, make sure it installs in /usr/local which is a good place because debian packaging isn't supposed to touch that place |
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| 13:48.24 | nsadmin | you can also have a place like /usr/local/ruby or /home/you/ruby |
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| 13:49.13 | nsadmin | if you do that, you'll need to add /usr/local/ruby/bin or /home/you/ruby/bin to your $PATH |
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| 13:50.20 | _ramo1 | nsadmin: how can i add my path from above persistently? |
| 13:51.19 | nsadmin | persistantly usually means to the startup script of the shell you use |
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| 13:52.35 | _ramo1 | nsadmin: yes, and where would that be? |
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| 13:52.50 | nsadmin | what's your login shell? |
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| 13:53.35 | _ramo1 | how do i see that? it's the default one |
| 13:53.47 | _ramo1 | it's bin/bash |
| 13:53.51 | nsadmin | look at /etc/passwd, you'll see lines of seven strings separated by : and the first is your username and the last is its shell |
| 13:54.18 | _ramo1 | nsadmin: it's bash |
| 13:54.21 | nsadmin | ok, look at .bash_profile; does it run .bashrc? |
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| 13:54.35 | _ramo1 | i don't have a .bash_profile in my home folder |
| 13:54.46 | nsadmin | do you have a .bashrc |
| 13:54.51 | _ramo1 | yes |
| 13:55.05 | nsadmin | ok, you could put it in there |
| 13:55.12 | _ramo1 | but i don't see any path exports there |
| 13:55.19 | nsadmin | where will you put your ruby? |
| 13:55.22 | dutchfish | _ramo1, env list your envirenment variables, also see http://wiki.debian.org/EnvironmentVariables |
| 13:55.34 | _ramo1 | nsadmin: the path i showed above |
| 13:55.49 | _ramo1 | export PATH="$PATH:/var/lib/gems/1.8/gems/capistrano-2.11.2/bin |
| 13:56.19 | _ramo1 | should i add this line into .bashrc? |
| 13:56.52 | nsadmin | well you'll only have capistrano, only that one gem |
| 13:57.15 | nsadmin | ruby has some kind of system for running gems, but it's been years and I don't remember |
| 13:57.20 | _ramo1 | that's okay |
| 13:57.33 | nsadmin | you could try that |
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| 13:58.36 | nsadmin | to get the shell to reread .bashrc, you could exit from that shell (and maybe its xterm?) and fire up another one |
| 13:59.12 | _ramo1 | nsadmin: i'm getting errors: cap capfile /var/lib/gems/1.8/gems/capistrano-2.11.2/bin/cap:3:in `require': no such file to load -- capistrano/cli (LoadError) from /var/lib/gems/1.8/gems/capistrano-2.11.2/bin/cap:3 .... |
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| 14:00.23 | nsadmin | you have to figure out ruby's system or at least figure out how to use it |
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| 14:00.54 | dutchfish | _ramo1, do you have a export GEM_HOME=/home/mygemrepository ? |
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| 14:01.26 | nsadmin | you would put that in .bashrc too |
| 14:01.29 | cardamon | If I don't want to bother with X on an install, should I have used the Expert Install option on the Installer? |
| 14:01.48 | cardamon | says 'install' three more times for kicks |
| 14:02.25 | nsadmin | cardamon, or unchecked the things that "depend" on x server or x client libs |
| 14:02.28 | themill | cardamon: just don't select anything other than "Standard task" at the tasksel stage |
| 14:03.04 | cardamon | hmm? |
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| 14:05.42 | _ramo1 | dutchfish: not that i know.. i just did the first steps here https://github.com/capistrano/capistrano/wiki/2.x-Getting-Started and installed rubygems1.8 |
| 14:06.05 | dutchfish | _ramo1, http://docs.rubygems.org/read/chapter/3 |
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| 14:08.44 | cardamon | guh, this weird. when the installer launches, it gives me some gunk about Undefined video mode number:314. The expert installer gives it to me right, and I can pick something and proceed. The non-graphical installer on the intial menu gives it to me in green text overlayed and then doesn't do anything but spin drives. |
| 14:08.53 | _ramo1 | dutchfish: i've installed it throught apt-get ... how do i know where mygemrepository is located? i have something like /var/lib/gems/1.8/gems/ where some gem exist |
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| 14:09.06 | dutchfish | _ramo1, env |
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| 14:10.00 | _ramo1 | dutchfish: env? i did now a export GEM_HOME=/var/lib/gems/1.8/gems but i get the same error as above when doing cap capfile |
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| 14:10.08 | nsadmin | are gem executables linked from /usr/bin? |
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| 14:11.00 | _ramo1 | nsadmin: how can i see this? the gem executable for capistrano is in: /var/lib/gems/1.8/gems/capistrano-2.11.2/bin/ |
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| 14:12.44 | _ramo1 | dutchfish: any idea? |
| 14:13.01 | nsadmin | see if it's in /usr/bin |
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| 14:13.27 | _ramo1 | nsadmin: it's not |
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| 14:14.16 | dutchfish | _ramo1, http://lists.debian.org/debian-ruby/2012/02/msg00016.html |
| 14:14.31 | nsadmin | maybe gems are run from a wrapper that sets up the env and then runs the thing |
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| 14:15.04 | dutchfish | also http://lists.debian.org/debian-ruby/2012/02/msg00015.html |
| 14:15.08 | nsadmin | I know they know the deal on #ruby |
| 14:15.29 | _ramo1 | nsadmin: i already asked there |
| 14:15.32 | _ramo1 | no answer |
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| 14:15.50 | nsadmin | maybe it's like 6am for them |
| 14:16.17 | _ramo1 | in my hoem directory i have a .gem folder and a .gemrc file |
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| 14:16.38 | iuhss | generalle can network-manager conenct to hidden wlans? is there a bug known |
| 14:17.31 | jklo | hello people nice people. i need a virtual fedora on debian. x is not required. what's the best solution? |
| 14:17.33 | nsadmin | oh, look at .gemrc and see what you can learn |
| 14:18.04 | dutchfish | _ramo1, for me that worked creating a correct GEM_HOME in the environment instead of in .gemrc |
| 14:18.11 | nsadmin | hey! what do you know! I'm two peoples! |
| 14:18.40 | _ramo1 | dutchfish: i've did an export GEM_HOME=/var/lib/gems/1.8/gems/ |
| 14:18.56 | _ramo1 | isn't that correct? |
| 14:19.07 | nsadmin | maybe it's /var/lib/gems? |
| 14:19.19 | dutchfish | _ramo1, at the top of my head, that is incorrect i believe it is something like GEM_HOME=/var/lib/gems |
| 14:19.55 | dutchfish | _ramo1, could you test it out an dmake sure there are no conflicting path statements in .gemrc? |
| 14:20.05 | _ramo1 | it's the same: export GEM_HOME=/var/lib/gems and doing afterwards a cap capfile i get: /var/lib/gems/1.8/gems/capistrano-2.11.2/bin/cap:3:in `require': no such file to load -- capistrano/cli (LoadError) from /var/lib/gems/1.8/gems/capistrano-2.11.2/bin/cap:3 |
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| 14:20.59 | _ramo1 | dutchfish: in .gemrc i just got: http://privatepaste.com/040808878f/asdfdfs |
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| 14:21.03 | _ramo1 | no paths defined |
| 14:21.04 | dutchfish | _ramo1, ldd that lib to find out it deps |
| 14:21.44 | _ramo1 | you mean like this: ldd /var/lib/gems/1.8/gems/capistrano-2.11.2/bin/cap ? |
| 14:21.55 | pawwa | Rockj: if you remember, yesterday I had a problem with debian installer which didn't recognize my partition table |
| 14:22.01 | dutchfish | _ramo1, as nsadmin suggested it takes some time to get an answer from #ruby, but that is the best way |
| 14:22.07 | _ramo1 | dutchfish: it says: not a dynamic executable |
| 14:22.14 | dutchfish | aha |
| 14:22.32 | pawwa | Rockj: the problem was overlapping partitions, which was resolved using testdisk utility from a live distro |
| 14:23.25 | dutchfish | _ramo1, where di you get it from, that specific gem? |
| 14:23.52 | _ramo1 | dutchfish: i just did a "gem install capistrano" |
| 14:23.57 | _ramo1 | and it installed without errors |
| 14:24.02 | dutchfish | _ramo1, ok |
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| 14:25.39 | cardamon | Is domain name stored somewhere like hostname? |
| 14:25.40 | dutchfish | _ramo1, could you check out this http://lostentropy.com/2012/02/25/making-capistrano-work-with-an-old-version-of-rubygems-1-7-2/ |
| 14:25.57 | nkuttler | cardamon: what do you mean? |
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| 14:26.44 | _ramo1 | dutchfish: i'll look at it, but gem -v gives me a 1.3.7 |
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| 14:27.35 | cardamon | nkuttler: Well, in the installer it lets you set a local domain name. |
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| 14:28.09 | nsadmin | , versions rubygems |
| 14:28.11 | judd | Package: rubygems on i386 -- lenny: 1.2.0-3; lenny-backports: 1.3.4-1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 1.3.7-3; sid: 1.8.15-1; wheezy: 1.8.15-1 |
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| 14:28.37 | _ramo1 | dutchfish: if i look into the cap file, i get a : #!/usr/bin/env ruby require 'capistrano/cli' capistrano::CLI.execute |
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| 14:29.27 | nkuttler | cardamon: not really sure what you mean. is that some samba thing? |
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| 14:29.30 | dutchfish | _ramo1, that part looks ok |
| 14:29.43 | _ramo1 | dutchfish: so i don't know where to add this date... |
| 14:30.03 | _ramo1 | is it may be because i'm using "bash" ? |
| 14:30.27 | _ramo1 | because capistrano assumes: Your remote servers have a POSIX-compatible shell installed. The shell must be called “sh” and must reside in the default system path. |
| 14:30.32 | _ramo1 | oh, that's for the remote server... |
| 14:30.50 | _ramo1 | can i uninstall a gem? |
| 14:31.00 | Mephisto | does anyone know is there a way to make it show folder's creation/modification date in gnome?.. |
| 14:31.14 | Mephisto | i've had this all the time, i just wonder if there's any fix to it or it's just a factory lack |
| 14:31.15 | Mephisto | http://89.28.122.14:8080/Screenshot.png |
| 14:31.37 | Mephisto | everytime to lookup folder creation date i have to switch the list to detailed view... but aren't there other ways to achieve it?.. |
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| 14:31.47 | themill | cardamon: the domain part of the name, like the hostname, ends up stuck in quite a few places in /etc. (/etc/mailname, /etc/hosts, ...) |
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| 14:32.10 | dutchfish | _ramo1, use gem cleanup [options] -d for a dry run |
| 14:32.19 | dutchfish | _ramo1, see the docs |
| 14:32.20 | cardamon | themill: Well I left mine blank. |
| 14:32.31 | cardamon | And I'm not sure what it is on my older machines. |
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| 14:34.43 | _ramo1 | dutchfish: i've uninstalled capistrano |
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| 14:34.47 | _ramo1 | i try it again... |
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| 14:34.57 | _ramo1 | is there something like an gem update ? |
| 14:35.32 | _ramo1 | dutchfish: ERROR: While executing gem ... (Gem::FilePermissionError) You don't have write permissions into the /var/lib/gems/1.8 directory. do i need sudo here? |
| 14:38.19 | cardamon | Is there away to set a domain name after it's been set? Like altering /etc/hosts? |
| 14:38.49 | _ramo1 | ifi do it with sudo, the installation works |
| 14:38.59 | _ramo1 | but the error remains the same dutchfish |
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| 14:40.40 | samuel | hello guys |
| 14:41.03 | cysnap | hello samuel |
| 14:41.14 | samuel | is it possible to make debian boot as fast as ubuntu without compiling your own kernel? |
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| 14:41.43 | cysnap | samuel: choose a faster SSD |
| 14:42.01 | morphic | choose a faster LSD |
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| 14:42.12 | samuel | cysnap, I have a fast SSD, ubuntu boots in about 7 seconds |
| 14:42.23 | samuel | I was wondering if I could do the same with debian |
| 14:42.28 | cardamon | Don't have so much stuff launch at boot. |
| 14:42.32 | samuel | I am thinking of using upstart |
| 14:42.43 | samuel | and disabling everything I dont use |
| 14:42.47 | dutchfish | _ramo1, well, i don know i usualy setup my gems inside /home |
| 14:43.06 | _ramo1 | dutchfish: so you don't install via apt-get? |
| 14:43.09 | samuel | I read somewhere that preload also helps |
| 14:43.22 | dutchfish | _ramo1, as much as possible |
| 14:43.35 | samuel | any other ideas perhaps? |
| 14:43.47 | _ramo1 | dutchfish: how did you installed it into /home then? |
| 14:43.58 | cysnap | samuel: how long time your debian need to boot? |
| 14:44.03 | nsadmin | samuel, perhaps your ubuntu doesn't start a bunch of services and your debian does |
| 14:44.08 | dutchfish | _ramo1, actually i have not a clue about the permissions, since i have the box with ruby not at hand to look it up |
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| 14:44.20 | _ramo1 | hm, okay |
| 14:44.24 | _ramo1 | that's odd |
| 14:44.51 | samuel | I am thinking that if ubuntu can boot in 7 seconds I should be able to get debian to boot in less than that |
| 14:44.55 | samuel | disable the timeout in grub |
| 14:44.58 | samuel | also |
| 14:45.17 | samuel | I just wanted to know if there were any "tricks" I might not know about |
| 14:46.42 | allorder | samuel: maybe http://wiki.debian.org/BootProcessSpeedup |
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| 14:49.23 | samuel | allorder, thanks! there is a few tricks in there to try! |
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| 15:12.50 | PiratAsso91 | ciao |
| 15:12.53 | PiratAsso91 | !list |
| 15:12.54 | dpkg | piratasso91: È possibile di scaricare un sacco di software libero puntando il tuo browser a http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-6.0.4-amd64-i386-netinst.iso ! |
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| 15:14.30 | dutchfish | _ramo1, btw maybe you want to know about this, just in case http://debgem.com/ |
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| 15:20.39 | dutchfish | _ramo1, sorry, forget that, it is of no use any longer for squeeze |
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| 15:23.23 | ROKO__ | what is state of python 2.7 in squeeze ? |
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| 15:24.03 | jvogel | Does anyone know if I can get add native firefox (not iceweasel) via apt/sources.list ? |
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| 15:25.17 | Rockj | pawwa: nice that you figured out. That's why I asked you to pastebin your "fdisk -l" output, so people could see if there was something odd with your partitions ;-) |
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| 15:25.54 | themill | ROKO__: squeeze will never have python2.7. |
| 15:25.56 | pawwa | Rockj: yeah, thanks again ;-) |
| 15:26.18 | ROKO__ | themill: well, i ask if i can install it manually |
| 15:26.23 | ROKO__ | themill: https://gist.github.com/1069219 |
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| 15:27.44 | themill | ROKO__: as long as you make sure python 2.7 doesn't put "python" on your $PATH, that should work. But remember that you won't be able to use any debian python module packages with py2.7 there. |
| 15:28.01 | themill | ROKO__: but it does make me wonder why you want to do this at all> |
| 15:28.06 | ROKO__ | themill: agree with this |
| 15:28.12 | ROKO__ | some apps want python 2.7 |
| 15:28.15 | ROKO__ | look |
| 15:28.39 | ROKO__ | themill: http://pastebin.com/JdDFgBTD |
| 15:28.48 | themill | ROKO__: does it *really* want 2.7? or does it want some feature from 2.7 that is also available from 2.6 with a separate module? |
| 15:29.03 | themill | ROKO__: please use a pastebin that doesn't require us to enter captchas |
| 15:29.05 | ROKO__ | themill: i'm not sure not familar with python |
| 15:29.29 | ROKO__ | themill: http://sprunge.us/ZQVG |
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| 15:30.26 | themill | «OSError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory» is not «I need python2.7». It's trying to exec some system command that it can't find. |
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| 15:31.12 | ROKO__ | just trying to reproduce |
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| 15:31.38 | ROKO__ | themill: http://sprunge.us/WUcG there is python code |
| 15:31.41 | ROKO__ | that fails |
| 15:32.12 | themill | do you have ffmpeg installed? |
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| 15:33.10 | themill | btw there are a number of screencast recording things already in debian |
| 15:33.26 | themill | !screencast |
| 15:33.27 | dpkg | Some programs to capture your screen are recordmydesktop, istanbul, pyvnc2swf, xvidcap (from debian-multimedia.org; ask me about <dmm>). Also see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ScreenCasts. |
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| 15:35.11 | ROKO__ | themill: maybe not sure |
| 15:35.14 | ROKO__ | will check |
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| 15:35.36 | mintman_ | multi |
| 15:35.41 | mintman_ | exit |
| 15:36.09 | ROKO__ | themill: and what need i do to get back work nouveau+gallium3D with custom kernel |
| 15:36.50 | ROKO__ | root@Debian64 /opt # uname -a |
| 15:36.52 | ROKO__ | Linux Debian64.local 3.1.10+ |
| 15:37.11 | themill | umm... I'm not seeing the connection here |
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| 15:39.29 | ROKO__ | themill: ?! |
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| 15:48.18 | jhutchi_lt | I still can't get flash in firefox. |
| 15:48.41 | jhutchi_lt | latest flash (just updated), latest iceweasel release. |
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| 15:49.15 | ROKO__ | jhutchi_lt: for me work |
| 15:49.21 | ROKO__ | with backported iceweasel |
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| 15:52.18 | quup | hi, is there some install that I can but on a USB that automatically configures network and starts up ssh from where I can continue the install? |
| 15:52.21 | quup | I have no monitor on the machine |
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| 15:54.21 | simonlnu | hmm, maybe via a preseed option |
| 15:54.43 | simonlnu | 'cause you can do part of the install via ssh, but it needs monitor initially |
| 15:54.52 | dutchfish | quup, http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/AsSshClient |
| 15:55.09 | simonlnu | doh |
| 15:55.26 | dutchfish | quup, the trick is in 'preseed' |
| 15:55.36 | quup | dutchfish: thanks! |
| 15:55.50 | simonlnu | damn, i was on the right track at least, woot |
| 15:55.51 | dutchfish | quup, yw, also read http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Preseed |
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| 16:01.28 | quup | upgrading from one debian stable version to the next usually don't require a reinstall right? |
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| 16:01.55 | dutchfish | quup, nope, but read the docs about dist-upgrading |
| 16:02.20 | quup | yea, just making sure I'm not jumping onto a dist wehre I'll get the same future problem of upgrading :) |
| 16:02.26 | dvs | quup: from lenny to squeeze requires reading of the release notes |
| 16:02.39 | simonlnu | !squeeze release notes |
| 16:02.39 | dpkg | Release Notes for Debian 6.0 (Squeeze) are at http://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/releasenotes . See also http://bugs.debian.org/release-notes and http://wiki.debian.org/NewInSqueeze . Also ask me about <errata>, <i-g>, <install squeeze>, <lenny->squeeze>, <firmware images>. |
| 16:02.43 | quup | as long as it's expected to be possible I'm happy |
| 16:02.51 | fasta | Is there any mail client which doesn't download all headers all the time when I start the program? |
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| 16:03.35 | fasta | Why can't it just cache everything and only check whether there is a new message and if there is a new message, download it? |
| 16:04.40 | fasta | Both Icedove and Evolution have this behaviour. |
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| 16:06.08 | dutchfish | fasta, kmail has that as a configurable option on imap, but it is still slow |
| 16:06.14 | simonlnu | fasta: mutt |
| 16:06.52 | fasta | simonlnu: can you explain how a multi-billion company manages to make something worse than the people behind mutt? |
| 16:06.59 | fasta | simonlnu: that just doesn't make sense. |
| 16:07.32 | fasta | simonlnu: and are you really, really sure that mutt doesn't do this? Since it did a few years ago. |
| 16:07.48 | jelly-home | fasta: Icedove is not supposed to do that, it does have a local cache. |
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| 16:07.54 | simonlnu | catering to windows click-clackers |
| 16:08.12 | jelly-home | fasta: your imap server or something else may be misbehaving |
| 16:08.15 | themill | same with kmail's dimap. (there's also offline-imap that will do this for any imap server) |
| 16:08.20 | bzed | fasta: just use offlineima; |
| 16:08.39 | fasta | bzed: can I configure that to sync every minute? |
| 16:09.17 | fasta | bzed: push e-mail would be much more efficient. Isn't there something in imap which does that? |
| 16:09.54 | dutchfish | fasta, z-push |
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| 16:10.12 | fasta | dutchfish: and which client supports this? |
| 16:10.25 | bzed | fasta: http://kb.mozillazine.org/IMAP#Push_support |
| 16:10.26 | fasta | dutchfish: (and perhaps which server?) |
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| 16:11.05 | bzed | fasta: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IMAP_IDLE |
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| 16:11.17 | fasta | bzed: does gmail support that too? |
| 16:11.20 | dutchfish | fasta, z-push is just a script, ready for tweaking to get it going on your preferred mta |
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| 16:12.02 | bzed | fasta: ask gmail, not #debian. |
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| 16:15.00 | jhutchi_lt | fasta: What multi-billion dollar company were you thinking of? |
| 16:15.09 | fasta | jhutchi_lt: novell |
| 16:15.57 | dvs | what mail reader? |
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| 16:16.55 | jazzkutya | hi |
| 16:16.57 | jhutchi_lt | My default setup on Lenny caches the headers it's already seen, but in part it depends on the mail server. |
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| 16:17.41 | fasta | dvs: evolution |
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| 16:18.36 | jazzkutya | I've noticed that after the first time i modify DPI setting in systems/preferences/appearance/fonts/details gnome no longer uses DPI from X server (reported by xdpyinfo) |
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| 16:18.51 | dvs | fasta: evolution wasn't started by Novell |
| 16:19.01 | jazzkutya | how can I restore the default bhavoir when gnome uses X server's dpi? |
| 16:19.49 | fasta | dvs: ximian started it, which has been bought by Novell. |
| 16:20.03 | fasta | dvs: it is common to refer to it as Novell then, isn't it? |
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| 16:20.44 | Babu | I've a problem with ppp internet connection in Debian squeeze. Could someone help me ? |
| 16:21.43 | Babu | ping www.google.com returns "unknown host" even though I could see the internet connection triggered. |
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| 16:22.39 | nkuttler | Babu: ping 74.125.79.101 |
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| 16:24.32 | gele | what tools would i use to create a debian live image with a persistent home directory? |
| 16:25.03 | Babu | I am now on a Ubuntu Live session and my Debian is on the same machine. I cannot ping now. But I've tried "ping 8.8.8.8" before and it returns root@debian:~# ping 8.8.8.8 PING 8.8.8.8 (8.8.8.8) 56(84) bytes of data. ^C --- 8.8.8.8 ping statistics --- 4 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 3009ms |
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| 16:27.19 | nkuttler | Babu: well check the logs |
| 16:27.41 | Babu | nkuttler: which logs should I check ? |
| 16:27.42 | Woet | This question is not completely related to Debian, but I would like to give it a try. We currently have a PXE machine that allows us to reinstall our servers with Debian / CentOS / Ubuntu / VMware using kickstart/preseed. Is there a similar thing for Windows Server? |
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| 16:27.49 | nkuttler | Babu: /var/log/messages iirc |
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| 16:28.33 | somiaj | Woet: there is #windows or ##windows |
| 16:28.55 | Woet | somiaj: will try there too, thanks |
| 16:29.56 | Babu | nkuttler: Can I post the log messages here ? |
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| 16:30.10 | jhutchi_lt | !paste |
| 16:30.10 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ http://paste.pocoo.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>, <lodgeit.py>. |
| 16:31.17 | jhutchi_lt | Babu: It could be your gateway is not set correctly. |
| 16:31.25 | jhutchi_lt | Babu: Can you ping that? |
| 16:31.44 | jhutchi_lt | Babu: What kind of ppp connection is it, pppoe or dial-up? |
| 16:32.11 | Babu | I've pasted the logs here: http://paste.debian.net/157557/ |
| 16:32.13 | jazzkutya | I've noticed that after the first time i modify DPI setting in systems/preferences/appearance/fonts/details gnome no longer uses DPI from X server (reported by xdpyinfo). how can I restore the default behaviour, that is gnome using X server's dpi? |
| 16:32.34 | Babu | jhutchi_lt: my connection is pppoe |
| 16:33.01 | jhutchi_lt | !pppoe |
| 16:33.02 | dpkg | Point-to-Point Protocol over Ethernet (PPPoE) is a network protocol for encapsulating <PPP> frames in Ethernet frames, frequently used in DSL connections. There are kernel-space and user-space PPPoE drivers available for Debian. To install Debian using a PPPoE connection, ask me about <pppoe install>. To enable on established systems, "aptitude install pppoeconf && pppoeconf". http://wiki.debian.org/PPPoE |
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| 16:37.59 | tremon | jazzkutya: iirc, gnome has never used X's understanding of dpi. It simply defaulted to some value (96?) |
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| 16:39.55 | jazzkutya | ok well i've found my solution as unsetting /desktop/gnome/font_rendering/dpi in gconf-editor |
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| 16:52.35 | ROKO__ | hello again |
| 16:52.41 | ROKO__ | what the hell it want.. |
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| 16:52.51 | ROKO__ | with my custom kernel nouveau doesn't work |
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| 16:57.05 | CXIV | What is maximum live-rw partition size that I can use on usb? |
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| 16:58.39 | CXIV | There are official images of debian on usb. |
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| 16:58.53 | CXIV | And I want to make persistant install. |
| 16:59.10 | CXIV | I got 32 GB pendrive. |
| 16:59.23 | CXIV | And I don't know if it will work properly :D |
| 17:00.18 | CXIV | with 30 GB live-rw ext2 partition :D |
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| 17:00.48 | epsas | hmm - i wouldn't do it unless you had a really fast usb drive |
| 17:00.55 | epsas | like ssd over usb2/3 |
| 17:01.02 | CXIV | 20 mb/s r/w |
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| 17:02.27 | somiaj | CXIV: with the usd-hdd images, you can partition what ever space is left on the thumb drive how ever you like, and the images only take up about 1gig |
| 17:02.57 | leonh | hey, I'm just installing a new debian testing system and I'm currently configuring the network. Now I read in the debian manual that configuration using /etc/network/interfaces will be deprecated. What is the recommended way to set up networking for servers? |
| 17:03.29 | dvs | really? |
| 17:03.31 | leonh | I am familiar with iproute2, so if there is any sensible place to put network initialization using that I'd love to know about it :) |
| 17:04.01 | somiaj | leonh: have a reference to where you read that? I haven't heard of anything replacing interfaces |
| 17:04.08 | themill | leonh: [citation needed] |
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| 17:04.37 | CXIV | Can you send that message again? |
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| 17:05.37 | leonh | somiaj: themill: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch05.en.html "legacy ifupdown package and its configuration file "/etc/network/interfaces"" sounds pretty negative to me |
| 17:05.58 | leonh | but maybe I'm misunderstanding the meaning of the word legacy here, I'm not a native speaker |
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| 17:06.50 | CXIV | So 30 GB persistant file is bad idea? |
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| 17:07.43 | tremon | somiaj> CXIV: with the usd-hdd images, you can partition what ever space is left on the thumb drive how ever you like, and the images only take up about 1gig |
| 17:08.21 | themill | leonh: /e/n/interfaces isn't going away any time soon. "ifupdown" has been a "legacy" tool for about 10 years but it's still the recommended way of setting up the network in a great deal of situations. If you don't need the fancy functions of ip or network-manager, then use that. |
| 17:08.26 | CXIV | tremon Thanks |
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| 17:10.28 | leonh | themill: ok. suppose I want to use ip instead, would /etc/rc.local be a good place to put these network initialization commands? |
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| 17:13.44 | somiaj | leonh: what features of 'ip' do you need that you cannot use from the interfaces file? |
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| 17:17.14 | leonh | somiaj: nothing specific for the moment, I'm just curious where I would do the custom setup in case anything came up |
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| 17:17.43 | somiaj | leonh: what do you mean by custom setup? |
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| 17:18.08 | somiaj | leonh: the interfaces file provides you with lots of verstitility, including writing custom preup/postup, predown/postdown scripts |
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| 17:20.55 | leonh | somiaj: pre/post up and down scripts are probably the answer to my question :) |
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| 17:21.27 | leonh | I wasn't aware of these anymore |
| 17:21.40 | leonh | It's been a while since I last used debian :) |
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| 17:23.22 | CXIV | leonh Never Mind the Bollocks , Use Debian |
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| 17:42.05 | leonh | and here I am, hitting the first problem with /e/n/interfaces (and I can't find a solution on google); How do I simply bring up an interface so it does IPv6 autoconf? |
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| 17:42.44 | leonh | Ubuntu seems to have it http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/oneiric/man5/interfaces.5.html, the debian interfaces(5) manpage section on inet6 contains... nothing! |
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| 17:44.05 | tremon | leonh: I have no explicit ipv6 configuration and it autoconfigures just fine... what suite? |
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| 17:45.32 | Guest72257 | ciao |
| 17:45.34 | leonh | tremon: I don't want to configure IPv4. If I just configure some garbage address for IPv4, it works fine. But IPv4 is so 1980s... |
| 17:45.45 | Guest72257 | list? |
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| 17:46.38 | tremon | leonh: iface eth0 manual, pre-up ip link set eth0 up ? |
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| 17:51.34 | leonh | tremon: thank you, that worked |
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| 17:56.07 | kallisti_ | in what package can I find the "startx" command |
| 17:57.31 | maxxe | kallisti_: probably xserver-xorg |
| 17:57.35 | lusers | kallisti_: xinit |
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| 17:58.08 | ksuhku | kallisti_, xinit it is |
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| 17:59.43 | fasta | Squeeze: apt-get install evolution-dev => evolution-dev : Depends: libcamel1.2-dev but it is not going to be installed |
| 17:59.55 | fasta | Isn't this a bug? |
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| 18:00.24 | jelly-home | !tell fasta about bat |
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| 18:01.45 | fasta | jelly-home: I already found the fundamental issue: I have 3.13.1 installed of libness3-dev, instead of the default squeeze one. |
| 18:02.12 | fasta | jelly-home: libnss3-dev* |
| 18:02.42 | fasta | jelly-home: I think some application depends on the newer version installed. |
| 18:02.54 | fasta | jelly-home: as such, what can I do? |
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| 18:04.13 | jelly-home | fasta: It depends on the repos you have installed and the apps that you want to keep using. |
| 18:04.23 | jelly-home | repos you have configured* |
| 18:04.32 | fasta | jelly-home: I want to use all those apps. |
| 18:04.55 | fasta | jelly-home: why can't I just have multiple versions of libraries installed? |
| 18:05.09 | jelly-home | fasta: because dpkg doesn't work that way. |
| 18:05.13 | fasta | jelly-home: this is a problem I am running against tons of times. |
| 18:05.26 | fasta | jelly-home: is there any other Linux distribution which doesn't have this problem? |
| 18:05.44 | fasta | jelly-home: Windows doesn't even have this problem anymore. |
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| 18:06.01 | fasta | (for well-designed applications) |
| 18:06.02 | themill | fasta: the problem is you mixing releases. Don't do that, and then you don't have this problem. |
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| 18:06.32 | fasta | themill: some applications are not distributed by Debian or are distributed only in non-working old releases. |
| 18:06.42 | jelly-home | fasta: I'd like to see the "bat" output before commenting further |
| 18:06.58 | themill | fasta: you're still mixing packages for different releases... |
| 18:07.13 | jelly-home | fasta: all of it, for evolution-dev, libcamel1.2-dev and libnss3-dev, please |
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| 18:07.50 | fasta | jelly-home: I will get the info for libnss3-dev, because that's the major problem. |
| 18:08.30 | KettleCooked | I just noticed I have ~170 thousand unread emails. My Debian Squeeze server seems to email my account whenever a cronjob is run, which happens every minute. Is there an easy way to still log Cron to /var/log/cron.log but not send me an email every time a script is run? There's no failure, it just reports. |
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| 18:08.47 | jelly-home | fasta: I'd prefer if you provided all I asked instead of being selective on your own. |
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| 18:09.54 | themill | KettleCooked: silencing the cron job is a good plan. What cron job is this? can you pastebin one of the emails? |
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| 18:11.20 | KettleCooked | themill: it's a simple ping to google, which is required for my home network to be accesible as VPN network, otherwise my ISP somehow times out my connection. Should I route the output to dev/null? |
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| 18:11.42 | rbabu | Could someone help me with my ADSL internet connection problem in Squeeze ? I've posted my problem here: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=76449 |
| 18:12.05 | themill | KettleCooked: yeah, just dump that to /dev/null then |
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| 18:12.41 | KettleCooked | themill: so in essence, whenever a script is run by cron, the standard output will be sent to the cron logging, if set up? |
| 18:13.12 | rbabu | I'm using pppoe to connect. I've been trying to find a solution for the past 8 hours. But I am stuck. |
| 18:13.31 | themill | KettleCooked: yes |
| 18:13.44 | fasta | jelly-home: http://paste.debian.net/157567/ |
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| 18:16.18 | jelly-home | fasta: where's your "apt-cache policy"? Line 60 suggests you've already installed a related package like libnss3-1d from a different source, that's been disabled since. |
| 18:17.15 | jelly-home | fasta: pastebin your "dpkg -l libc6 libnss3\* iceweasel\* icedov\* | grep '^.i'" please |
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| 18:17.54 | nsadmin | rbabu, sec... |
| 18:17.57 | jelly-home | fasta: if you've been mixing releases, it's no wonder packages would be uninstallable after disabling a newer repo. Stick with one release. |
| 18:18.26 | fasta | jelly-home: I sticked with Squeeze but added some for small third parties (e.g. opera) |
| 18:18.37 | jelly-home | ,versions libnss3-1d |
| 18:18.38 | fasta | jelly-home: apt-cache policy was in the paste. |
| 18:18.38 | judd | Package: libnss3-1d on i386 -- lenny: 3.12.3.1-0lenny6; lenny-proposed-updates: 3.12.3.1-0lenny7; lenny-security: 3.12.3.1-0lenny7; lenny-backports: 3.12.8-1+squeeze4~bpo50+1; squeeze: 3.12.8-1+squeeze4; squeeze-security: 3.12.8-1+squeeze4; wheezy: 3.13.1.with.ckbi.1.88-1; squeeze-backports: 3.13.3-1~bpo60+1; sid: 3.13.3-1 |
| 18:19.04 | jelly-home | fasta: something you installed at some point in the past sure seems to match "wheezy" instead |
| 18:19.30 | nsadmin | rbabu, ping 59.92.14.83 |
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| 18:20.05 | nsadmin | rbabu, when -I- do that, I get responses |
| 18:20.06 | jelly-home | fasta: "apt-cache policy" is a complete command line, and has different output than "apt-cache policy packagename". Please provide that. |
| 18:21.01 | nsadmin | rbabu, so, at this pt you need to respond before I go further |
| 18:21.06 | rbabu | nsadmin, give me 10 minutes. I need to reboot to Debian and check it. I will be back. |
| 18:21.17 | nsadmin | oh ok |
| 18:21.32 | nsadmin | wait, got something else, you still here? |
| 18:21.42 | rbabu | nsadmin: yes! I am here |
| 18:21.49 | nsadmin | don'ty reboot yhet :) |
| 18:21.55 | rbabu | :) |
| 18:22.18 | nsadmin | try all three of these when you get into debian: |
| 18:22.38 | nsadmin | rbabu, ping 59.92.0.1 |
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| 18:23.10 | nsadmin | rbabu, ping 218.248.240.180 |
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| 18:23.21 | kallisti_ | aha. xinit. that's what I was missing |
| 18:23.30 | nsadmin | rbabu, ping 218.248.241.4 |
| 18:23.44 | jelly-home | fasta: also, pastebin the output of "apt-get -t squeeze install libnss3-1d=3.12.8-1+squeeze4" and see which package it wants to remove -- those will be the ones not appropriate for squeeze |
| 18:23.46 | nsadmin | try all four of those when you get into debian |
| 18:23.56 | nsadmin | then come back and report... |
| 18:24.25 | rbabu | nsadmin: I will reboot now and report you asap. Thanks a lot ! |
| 18:24.50 | kallisti_ | hm. no. xinit doesn't have the xstart command. |
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| 18:25.23 | nsadmin | xinit is a different way than startx to start... umm, x :) |
| 18:25.41 | kallisti_ | ah I see |
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| 18:26.15 | shingouz | kallisti_: the package xinit does have startx in it. note: it is ont xstart, it is startx |
| 18:26.16 | tremon | http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/i386/xinit/filelist lists /usr/bin/startx? |
| 18:26.39 | shingouz | s/ont/not/ |
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| 18:27.38 | nsadmin | the first name server not giving answers |
| 18:27.40 | MK` | Hey guys, I've been using Ubuntu for some time, but I have heard Debian is more stable. Can you tell me how much they differ and if it will be a hard transition? |
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| 18:28.40 | nsadmin | the second one does give answers |
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| 18:29.45 | kallisti_ | what are the main differences between startx and xinit? |
| 18:29.58 | nsadmin | that';s the part I don't remember |
| 18:30.13 | nsadmin | among thousands of other parts :) |
| 18:30.16 | kallisti_ | also, where do I put them so that x starts automatically? |
| 18:30.34 | kallisti_ | is also switching from Ubuntu. :P |
| 18:30.34 | nsadmin | do you want to log in to X? |
| 18:30.49 | tremon | kallisti_: you don't, you just install a display manager that handles starting X for you |
| 18:30.56 | nsadmin | have a greaphical login? |
| 18:31.19 | kallisti_ | I don't really care about a graphical login. But sure. |
| 18:31.53 | nsadmin | ok, did you install a desktop environment? like: kde, gnome, xfde? |
| 18:32.12 | tremon | so then, what's your question? you want X to start automatically but you don't want to login? |
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| 18:32.49 | rbabu | nsadmin: Are you here ? |
| 18:32.51 | kallisti_ | ah okay |
| 18:32.52 | nsadmin | tremon, he didn 't say he didn't want to, he said it's ok either way |
| 18:32.58 | nsadmin | rbabu, yep |
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| 18:33.18 | kallisti_ | I'm installing xmonad, which doesn't use a specific display manager |
| 18:33.20 | rbabu | nsadmin: I've pasted the ping responses here: http://paste.debian.net/157572/ |
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| 18:33.26 | kallisti_ | but I guess I could use wdm for that purpose. |
| 18:33.44 | leftist | I'm linux savvy having used |
| 18:33.53 | leftist | slackware 1.0 way long time ago |
| 18:34.10 | nsadmin | ok, so you can't get to your gateway |
| 18:34.21 | tremon | kallisti_: I'm using slim for automatic logins on my htpc |
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| 18:34.47 | nsadmin | leftist, okie dokie... or alllllllllllllll righteyyyyyyyyy thennnnnnn! |
| 18:34.49 | leftist | so i am trying to install debian and during the install script there is a point where it is attempting to access a repository and it just stalls. i chose different ones from different countries but it never processes. any ideas? |
| 18:34.56 | tremon | I know of no way to reliably start X as a specific user on boot |
| 18:35.00 | leftist | nsadmin sorry had to type |
| 18:35.02 | kallisti_ | oh wait it wasn't called wdm, it was dwm. :P |
| 18:35.15 | nsadmin | no problem :) just igmore that :) |
| 18:35.38 | nsadmin | leftist, would be handy to know if you got connected |
| 18:35.49 | nsadmin | not sure if you have ping |
| 18:36.29 | leftist | well the problem is i'm doing a vm and to be perfectly honest it's not easy for me to determine if it is or isnt. i know it completed the apt configuration so i has to be connected :D |
| 18:36.32 | nsadmin | leftist, what is the name of the debian image you got? |
| 18:36.38 | rbabu | nsadmin: so what should I do now ? what should I do get past the gateway? |
| 18:37.43 | nsadmin | rbabu, need to look at the pppd log (maybe it's in /var/log/daemon.log) |
| 18:37.45 | leftist | nsadmin this isnt a pure debian i dont believe i mean i just dont know and unfortunatley it's a portugese group working on it snep-cd-1.3.6.iso |
| 18:37.50 | leftist | the project i mean |
| 18:38.04 | leftist | i probably cant get help in here probably. |
| 18:38.16 | rbabu | From this line of logs : "Feb 26 01:54:32 debian pppd[2761]: not replacing existing default route via 192.168.1.1", Is "192.168.1.1" my gateway ? |
| 18:38.18 | nsadmin | oh, ok... you have any problems trying a different image |
| 18:38.20 | nsadmin | ? |
| 18:38.24 | shingouz | leftist: hit alt+f2 and you should have a nice console. you can try ping from there and go back to the install console later with alt+f1 |
| 18:38.34 | leftist | ok brb thanks |
| 18:38.36 | leftist | everyone |
| 18:38.44 | rbabu | I tried to ping 192.168.1.1 and I got responses back |
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| 18:39.40 | nsadmin | rbabu, seems like there's another gw? |
| 18:39.54 | leftist | what i'll do is just do a real install on a server and forget trying to test it in a vm :D |
| 18:40.03 | leftist | i've attempted this 8 times already.. |
| 18:40.08 | kallisti_ | okay so where do I run slim? |
| 18:40.10 | nsadmin | ok, need a picture of the shape of the net that's in your building |
| 18:40.22 | nsadmin | you're using pppoe, so you have a dsl? |
| 18:40.31 | leftist | alt f1 / f2 dont work |
| 18:40.33 | leftist | blah |
| 18:40.42 | rbabu | nsadmin: I'm using pppoe. |
| 18:41.02 | nsadmin | how do you connect? do you have cable? dsl? |
| 18:41.14 | nsadmin | to a phone line? cable modem? |
| 18:41.27 | kallisti_ | tremon: where do you run the slim command at startup? |
| 18:41.27 | rbabu | nsadmin: Is that question for me ? |
| 18:41.31 | shingouz | leftist: are you trying to install with the graphical installer? if you are, try ctrl+alt+f2 |
| 18:41.33 | nsadmin | yes |
| 18:41.47 | leftist | yes ok thanks |
| 18:41.55 | rbabu | I have ADSL. I connect via a phone line |
| 18:41.56 | nsadmin | does a netinst have ping? |
| 18:42.12 | shingouz | nsadmin: yes iirc |
| 18:42.13 | nsadmin | ok, let's start from the wall |
| 18:42.21 | nsadmin | that would be handy |
| 18:42.33 | rbabu | ok |
| 18:42.38 | nsadmin | so, on the wall you have a phone jack? |
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| 18:42.43 | rbabu | yep |
| 18:42.44 | tremon | kallisti_: from /etc/init.d/slim |
| 18:42.45 | shingouz | nsadmin: netinst has busybox at least |
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| 18:42.57 | nsadmin | and there's a busybox ping? |
| 18:43.16 | nsadmin | well we'll see :) |
| 18:43.17 | shingouz | nsadmin: there was at least last week when i tried.... |
| 18:43.41 | nsadmin | oh good... so you booted.... umm, shingouz, which netinstall? |
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| 18:44.20 | shingouz | nsadmin: hmm... not sure... 6.0.0. looks like |
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| 18:44.39 | rbabu | nsadmin:give me 5 minutes. I will boot with Live CD so that I could check the logs on my Squeeze and also be here talking |
| 18:44.48 | Cyclohexane | how can i get the ip address from this using sed: Feb 19 18:32:25 inc016000004 sshd[71044]: Invalid user tuxedo from 176.9.228.6 |
| 18:45.01 | shingouz | rbabu: and from the wall the phone cable runs into a small box that contains the ADSL? |
| 18:45.03 | nsadmin | so squeeze? |
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| 18:45.23 | rbabu | live CD of ubuntu |
| 18:45.28 | shingouz | nsadmin: after the install sid |
| 18:45.42 | nsadmin | rbabu, so ubuntu live cd connects? |
| 18:45.54 | shingouz | rbabu: stop |
| 18:46.01 | rbabu | yes..the phone cable runs into an ADSL modem: UTStar |
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| 18:46.12 | rbabu | yess..of course..the Live Ubuntu CD connects |
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| 18:46.23 | nsadmin | ok, that's good to know |
| 18:46.30 | shingouz | rbabu: and from the adsl you have an ethernet cable to your computer? |
| 18:46.37 | nsadmin | we're not just fighting with a brick wall |
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| 18:46.55 | rbabu | yes..the modem and my laptop are connected by an ethernet cable |
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| 18:47.20 | bitr | hello. how do i build a driver from kernel source for precompiled kernel? im trying make oldconfig/prepare but when i try to load the builded module i get "no symbol version for module_layout" .. any hint's please? |
| 18:47.21 | shingouz | rbabu: excellent. and if you boot into some other o/s you can connect to the internet? |
| 18:47.28 | nsadmin | so that means everything is good from the eth to the phone line |
| 18:47.56 | rbabu | yes! I could connect on my Windows 7 and also on Ubuntu Live CD |
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| 18:48.10 | Naruto | . |
| 18:48.17 | nsadmin | * |
| 18:48.21 | Naruto | Oops. |
| 18:48.29 | nsadmin | wubba! |
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| 18:48.49 | shingouz | rbabu: good. so i am assuming your adsl router has a connection to the internet and is handing out ip addresses to the computer via dhcp? |
| 18:48.57 | nsadmin | oops, that's my root password at whitehouse.gov... |
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| 18:49.41 | nsadmin | shingouz, he has to use pppoe |
| 18:49.56 | jelly-home | nsadmin: you're mixing up .gov and .com again? |
| 18:50.17 | rbabu | shingouz: I'm a noob. I know that my ADSL modem has a connection to the internet. But I don't know if it is handing out IP addresses via DHCP. Is there any way to find it out / |
| 18:50.22 | rbabu | ? |
| 18:50.22 | nsadmin | oh damn, you mean I gave out BOTH root passwds? |
| 18:50.22 | shingouz | nsadmin: usually when there is an adsl router between the computer and the wall, the router takes care of the pppoe |
| 18:50.41 | nsadmin | hmm. |
| 18:50.43 | shingouz | rbabu: what o/s are you on right now? |
| 18:50.59 | rbabu | I am on Windows 7 now |
| 18:51.22 | shingouz | rbabu: ok. can you check what your ip and route are right now? |
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| 18:51.32 | nsadmin | shingouz, would you mind taking over with rbabu? |
| 18:52.04 | shingouz | nsadmin: i can try but i have absolutely zero idea how to use any windows to check the ip or route... :) |
| 18:52.27 | gcmalloc | hi to all I'm having an issue with a vt1705 soundcard, someone know the name of the correct module to load ? |
| 18:52.30 | quup | if i give the installer a preseed file, will it still ask questions not in the preseed file? |
| 18:52.31 | nsadmin | shingouz, try ipconfig and winipcfg |
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| 18:52.38 | quup | or will it use defaults for anything not in an existing preseed |
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| 18:53.11 | nsadmin | shingouz, you could have him boot into his ubuntu live |
| 18:53.15 | shingouz | rbabu: hear what nsadmin just said? in terminal, of course (unless windows has some new gucci gui application for that) |
| 18:53.35 | shingouz | nsadmin: true but lets keep things simple without a bunch of boots |
| 18:53.39 | nsadmin | well winipcfg is the gucco |
| 18:54.04 | nsadmin | ipconfig is the commandline thing |
| 18:54.07 | shingouz | does not really know what to do with mice |
| 18:54.20 | rbabu | shingouz: this is what I see in ipconfig: http://paste.debian.net/157575/ |
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| 18:54.26 | nsadmin | have a cat chase them? |
| 18:54.36 | shingouz | hates cats |
| 18:54.44 | shingouz | rbabu: lemesee.... |
| 18:54.53 | nsadmin | what did the six-foor rat say to the cat? |
| 18:55.05 | sidney_ | http://paste.debian.net/157576/ can someone take a look |
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| 18:55.28 | rbabu | shingouz: winipcfg is not recognized as a command |
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| 18:55.47 | nsadmin | (Big, BOOMy voice:) HERE KITTY!!!! HERE KITTY KITTY!!!! |
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| 18:57.02 | ompaul | rbabu: good thing that, cos this ain't #windows :) it was the old windows ip config command |
| 18:57.15 | shingouz | rbabu: when it comes to windows i have about zero clue. in anycase, when you installed your network connection on windows, did oyu have to install some ppp-software also? |
| 18:57.34 | shingouz | ompaul: he is on doze atm |
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| 18:58.33 | rbabu | shingouz: In Windows I did not have to install any other ppp-software. PPP support was built in the OS itself. |
| 18:58.54 | shingouz | rbabu: if you did, you should use the same user/pass on the debian pppoe. i still do find it a little strange if you have an adsl router that you would have to run the pppoe client on your computer, most routers today can handle the pppoe internally |
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| 19:00.32 | rbabu | shingouz: I did use the same user/pass for the pppoe connection on Debian. I've no clue why it works on Ubuntu and it doesn't in Debian. |
| 19:00.49 | shingouz | rbabu: do you already have your debian system installed or are you still on the instaler? |
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| 19:02.01 | rbabu | shingouz: It is already installed. I used the netinstall image..the small version. I've got a graphical desktop environment now in Squeeze. |
| 19:02.12 | nsadmin | shingouz, it's already installed, he says it was installed from the net and after reboot things didn't work |
| 19:02.14 | jelly-home | sidney_: what is "Zorin"? |
| 19:03.11 | nsadmin | rbabu, so you must have went for lunch while it was downloading all that... |
| 19:03.22 | shingouz | rbabu: i have a very faint recollection that i have used pppoeconf years ago to do a similar configuration. did you by any chance already paste ifconfig and route off the debian? |
| 19:03.50 | rbabu | nsadmin: yes! I went to play badminton while it was downloading. |
| 19:04.03 | nsadmin | ahh |
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| 19:04.24 | nsadmin | so seems like, we're so close |
| 19:05.09 | leftist | ha laptop shutdown it has been overheating. i'll go to the office and grab another one later. i'll look into this distro later. thanks for all the friendly help! it was refreshing :D |
| 19:05.22 | nsadmin | shingouz, curious, ever heard of having a router set to "pass thru" mode? do you know what that is? |
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| 19:05.28 | leftist | peace |
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| 19:05.43 | shingouz | nsadmin: bridging |
| 19:06.08 | shingouz | rbabu: nsadmin i have to go afk for about 45 ninutes |
| 19:06.20 | rbabu | shingouz: unfortunately I have not pasted the ifconfig and route from the debian. But if you want, I could be back in 10 minutes with that information. |
| 19:06.29 | nsadmin | does that mean that if pppoe would be required, it would be handled by the next thing (which could be the compuer itslef)? |
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| 19:07.15 | rbabu | shingouz: thanks for everything! |
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| 19:08.44 | htop | hello, I've just tried dm-crypt for encrpyting loopback fs. Are there good alternatives? |
| 19:09.06 | rbabu | nsadmin: Thanks for your help! I will continue with the trouble shooting tomorrow. It's late for me. |
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| 19:09.30 | Woet | I keep getting this message in syslog: "mpt-statusd: detected non-optimal RAID status". cat /proc/mdadm shows everything is fine, no disks are missing and they're all healthy. why is it complaining? |
| 19:09.58 | Woet | the guides I find about it all suggest turning off mpt-statud |
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| 19:10.01 | Woet | mpt-statusd* |
| 19:10.29 | CXIV | I installed debian on usb via official usb image and I want to turn off autologin |
| 19:11.00 | ompaul | CXIV: set a password and see how you get on |
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| 19:11.18 | CXIV | ompaul There is a live cd user. |
| 19:11.33 | CXIV | ompaul And its login in automaticly |
| 19:11.38 | Woet | the init.d shows if (mpt-status -i $ID) |grep -q 'state OPTIMAL' ; then, but doing 'mpt-status -i 0' returns nothing |
| 19:11.57 | ompaul | CXIV: kde or gnome go to login settings and turn it off but set a password first |
| 19:12.13 | CXIV | I edited inittab |
| 19:12.14 | ompaul | CXIV: tbh that is not the an install it is a live cd |
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| 19:12.34 | knubbze- | hi |
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| 19:12.39 | CXIV | ompaul Sorry , its usb image written on usb drive. |
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| 19:12.50 | knubbze- | for asking about installing Debian on a Macbook; would I ask here or would I ask in ##mac? |
| 19:12.58 | sidney_ | jelly-home, Zorin is a Debian based |
| 19:13.01 | ompaul | zero additional data, if it is live cd image that is what it is |
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| 19:13.18 | ompaul | !basedondebian |
| 19:13.25 | sidney_ | os |
| 19:13.41 | jazzkutya | what determines the fonts used for general widgets in basic x applications like xedit and xfontsel? i've installed a couple of bitmap fonts and it made the fonts on these widgets smaller and ugly |
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| 19:13.56 | ompaul | !based on debian |
| 19:13.57 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't know what changes were made by your distribution. #debian only supports Debian; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
| 19:14.12 | CXIV | I made something like this http://paste.debian.net/157579/ |
| 19:14.27 | CXIV | But its still logging in |
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| 19:14.35 | ParadoxG | Hi, I'm having some issues installing phamm-ldap-amavis. It says it conflicts with amavis, but how can it work without amavis since its a schema for amavis ldap? |
| 19:14.42 | jelly-home | sidney_: if os-prober is installed, update-grub ought to find its kernels and add it to the grub menu |
| 19:15.17 | ParadoxG | Is this a bug/problem? |
| 19:15.22 | ompaul | CXIV: I told ya what to do, set a password for the user, use the login manager program in your setting (gnome or kde etc) to turn off autologin - changing the wheel on a car will not impact that live cd |
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| 19:15.44 | ompaul | s/cd/image/ |
| 19:15.50 | CXIV | ompaul OK, thanks I will do it :) |
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| 19:22.03 | Iridos | ParadoxG, seems nobody uses that package |
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| 19:22.40 | jelly-home | sidney_: that command however looks correct and ought not to result in boot issues, but who knows |
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| 19:24.52 | ParadoxG | hmm, okay |
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| 19:27.40 | sidney_ | Ok I'll look for os probe |
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| 19:29.03 | Iridos | ParadoxG, so... maybe? I have no idea (on top of the package description) what it does, though, so hard to tell. There should be a README.Debian in /usr/share/doc/<packagemane>. perhaps you see something interesting in aptitude changelog phamm-ldap-amavis - its bug-page is empty http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?archive=both;package=phamm-ldap-amavis |
| 19:29.18 | sidney_ | hotepankh |
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| 19:31.08 | CXIV | Disabling autologin is locked. |
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| 19:31.24 | CXIV | So I cannot disable it from gui |
| 19:31.37 | ompaul | are you root? |
| 19:31.49 | CXIV | From root also. |
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| 19:32.14 | ompaul | guess what you got, you did not install debian on a usb stick, you installed debian live |
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| 19:32.58 | ompaul | wonders |
| 19:33.30 | ParadoxG | yeah, I did see the changelog...nothing interesting there. Nothing in the docs either. Perhaps I will contact one of the maintainers. |
| 19:33.33 | CXIV | ompaull It is live image. |
| 19:33.38 | ompaul | #debian-live on irc.debian.org might be of more use to you if that can be done |
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| 19:33.46 | ompaul | CXIV: it's designed like that ^^ |
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| 19:34.14 | CXIV | ompaul I know , but I want to disable it |
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| 19:34.42 | ompaul | CXIV: that is the irc channel for that cd they might know more (if it is even possible) |
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| 19:36.13 | CXIV | ompaul There is no "nonlive" usb image |
| 19:37.11 | ompaul | CXIV: try installing debian to a usb stick and booting from that |
| 19:37.33 | Iridos | no, there are no images for regular debian. you can just do a normal install with the usb stick as a target if that is what you want |
| 19:37.33 | ompaul | CXIV: but then you hit a wall, what do you do with ever changing usb numbering machine by machine |
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| 19:38.03 | jacobw | is that a problem? |
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| 19:38.45 | Iridos | though it would be nice to have all the extra autodetect-mumbo-jumbo the live cds have |
| 19:39.14 | Iridos | if you install onto a disk... but I guess running off a ram-disk is not optimal |
| 19:39.30 | ompaul | Iridos: depends on what your expectation for that machine is |
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| 19:40.34 | Iridos | what do you mean? |
| 19:41.05 | Iridos | I just meant for a "mobile" OS that you carry from machine to machine, but not on a cd, but on a usb stick |
| 19:41.24 | Iridos | _some_ features of the live cd might be pretty nice |
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| 19:42.27 | ompaul | Iridos: what I mean is, if you installed on port 4 of one of 100 machines and they all had the same build and place of mouse and stuff it would be good etc |
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| 19:42.33 | nsadmin | to make that practical, you'd want something that's multiarch |
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| 19:42.50 | nsadmin | or at least covers the arches you mostly visit |
| 19:42.53 | ompaul | nsadmin: you'd get away with two arches |
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| 19:43.07 | Iridos | two? one! |
| 19:43.15 | nsadmin | i386 and arm? |
| 19:43.25 | ompaul | mipssel and i386 |
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| 19:43.36 | ompaul | but I'd like amd64 tbh in there |
| 19:43.59 | CXIV | Maybe I should comment prepend here 1:2345:respawn:/bin/login -f user </dev/tty1 >/dev/tty1 2>&1 |
| 19:44.03 | nsadmin | you could carry multiple sticks in a case |
| 19:44.32 | ompaul | nsadmin: or like pens with a pocket protector in a shirt pocket |
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| 19:45.06 | nsadmin | right, or build them onto black, thick hornrimmed glasses... |
| 19:46.04 | nsadmin | usually a tech would carry a nice anvil-like case with an organized set of tools |
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| 19:48.46 | nsadmin | CXIV, then yhou'd lose your alt-F1 login |
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| 19:55.05 | CXIV | So how stop user from autologin? |
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| 19:58.32 | kallisti | hm, wheezy doesn't have flashplugin-nonfree? |
| 19:59.06 | jacobw | hello, say i was interested in maintaining an orphaned package, how would i do that? |
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| 19:59.22 | CXIV | What gives parametr -f in login? |
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| 20:00.01 | mah454 | Hello ... |
| 20:00.19 | mah454 | I receive this message in /var/log/message : [sdb] Test WP failed, assume Write Enabled |
| 20:00.23 | mah454 | what is this ? |
| 20:00.32 | CXIV | Can anyone paste inittab file? |
| 20:01.15 | CXIV | -_- |
| 20:01.17 | ParkerR | Haha wow. lxde has gdm3 as a dependency |
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| 20:02.16 | jelly-home | CXIV: I've missed the context. What are you trying to achieve with inittab changeS? |
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| 20:02.18 | mah454 | This is my inittab : http://pastebin.com/trt72NaS |
| 20:02.33 | CXIV | mah454 Thank you |
| 20:03.10 | CXIV | mah454 not fstab :D |
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| 20:03.36 | acuozzo | I have SSHD configured to use _only_ PasswordAuthentication. No PAM, etc. Does this mean that it refers directly to /etc/passwd and /etc/shadow? |
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| 20:05.03 | CXIV | I need inittab :D |
| 20:06.30 | CXIV | eloy3r Jestes na debianie? |
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| 20:07.53 | CXIV | No way |
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| 20:08.13 | CXIV | Can anyone paste inittab file? |
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| 20:11.09 | shaun_ | hello, i have a problem with my debian testing, i have fglrx installed and everything looks ok including graphic acceleration but i can't play any videos neither in totem, vlc, mplayer... everytime i play any video xorf crashes, here are two error logs, xorg error: http://pastebin.com/BJReMMjQ and mplayer error: http://pastebin.com/3kEs6UW8 thanks in advance!!!! |
| 20:12.16 | jelly-home | CXIV: for which release? |
| 20:12.40 | CXIV | jelly-home Yours :D |
| 20:12.43 | somiaj | shaun_: mplayer -vo help -- have you tried some of the other video out options |
| 20:12.54 | somiaj | shaun_: also xvinfo |
| 20:13.12 | shaun_ | i tried many video players, i don't think it's a player issue |
| 20:13.24 | CXIV | Anyway what can happen if I edit this 1:2345:respawn:/bin/login -f user </dev/tty1 >/dev/tty1 2>&1 to that 1:2345:respawn:/sbin/getty 38400 tty1 ? |
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| 20:13.28 | shaun_ | looks like an issue of fglrx but maybe i am wrong |
| 20:13.55 | shaun_ | want to see xvinfo input? ;) |
| 20:13.56 | somiaj | shaun_: I'm saying mplayer can use various different vo options, it could be just X11/xv isnt working while mplayer -vo x11 or -vo gl may work |
| 20:14.00 | shaun_ | *output |
| 20:14.24 | somiaj | shaun_: then you know where the issue is, well does it give you any info you think is usefl. |
| 20:14.33 | shaun_ | ok, thank you i wil try thank you!! |
| 20:14.40 | kallisti | it seems that I can't install flashplugin-nonfree, has been renamed or obsoleted? |
| 20:14.43 | shaun_ | i know, thank you for that |
| 20:15.18 | somiaj | shaun_: I cant say for sure if xvinfo would give you anything useful, but if you want to paste it I'll take a quick look |
| 20:15.28 | jelly-home | CXIV: nothing, you'll just get a typical getty login prompt after doing "init q" and killing the previous login process |
| 20:15.28 | ksuhku | kallisti, adobe discontinued it |
| 20:15.34 | shaun_ | okay let's go then ;) |
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| 20:15.56 | kallisti | ksuhku: hmmm, so... use Gnash? |
| 20:15.57 | kallisti | or? |
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| 20:16.34 | somiaj | kallisti: it is in the 'contrib' repo |
| 20:16.42 | somiaj | kallisti: make sure you you include that in your sources.list line |
| 20:16.44 | shaun_ | xvinfo output: http://pastebin.com/nQgei56B |
| 20:16.54 | jelly-home | ksuhku: how does "we'll have 5 more years of secuirty updates" translate to "discontiuned" |
| 20:17.31 | jelly-home | ksuhku: that's twice the support of a typical Debian release |
| 20:18.12 | jelly-home | !tell kallisti about contrib |
| 20:18.41 | kallisti | ah right |
| 20:18.44 | kallisti | cool. thanks. |
| 20:18.47 | ksuhku | jelly-home, http://www.geek.com/articles/news/adobe-makes-flash-for-linux-a-chrome-exclusive-20120222/ |
| 20:18.49 | somiaj | shaun_: that looks fine, that is a place I have hit issues before. |
| 20:19.18 | jelly-home | ksuhku: I know, that's why I'm asking you. |
| 20:19.21 | shaun_ | somiaj, with your advice, mplayer -vo x11 works |
| 20:19.38 | jelly-home | ksuhku: it does not say "discontinued" |
| 20:19.43 | somiaj | shaun_: so something is wrong with the xvideo interface, but xvinfo seems to think it is up |
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| 20:19.57 | shaun_ | but then... i can't use any x player? totem? vlc? there isn't any way to configure them to work with this parameters or so? |
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| 20:20.03 | somiaj | shaun_: check ~/.xsession-errors or /var/log/Xorg.0.log to see if you see any useful errors. |
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| 20:20.21 | shaun_ | i checked and linked before, but can't see anything useful ;S |
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| 20:25.54 | jelly-home | shaun_: well if you have OpenGL acceleration working, you can use that instead at least temporarily, eg. mplayer -vo gl |
| 20:26.41 | jelly-home | other players can be configured as well. At least vlc and xine can, dunno about the lesser players. |
| 20:26.47 | shaun_ | thank you jelly-home ;S anyway i would love to have any working x-based video player since both totem are vlc crash |
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| 20:27.27 | shaun_ | jelly-home do you know the parameter to do that thing in vlc? |
| 20:27.34 | valdyn | iirc totem can be configured via gstreamer settings, which can be set in gstreamer-properties |
| 20:27.34 | shaun_ | i am reading the man but i can't find it |
| 20:27.49 | valdyn | shaun_: its in the GUI |
| 20:28.11 | shaun_ | ok, let me look thanks |
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| 20:28.47 | shaun_ | i'm a bit lost though, arf |
| 20:28.54 | sidney_ | what is the usual path to grub installed |
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| 20:28.59 | valdyn | fglrx can also be configured to 2 different xv modes, one being "real" xv and one being gl internally |
| 20:29.10 | valdyn | one might work.. |
| 20:29.41 | shaun_ | writing all that to search for a solution, thank you valdyn |
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| 20:30.55 | unomystEz | I'm trying to install a deb but it's asking for a dep version 1.0.25 but I have 1.0.24 installed, is there any way to force it or is that not recommended? |
| 20:31.28 | valdyn | unomystEz: it helps with you state the actual problem, not some fragments |
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| 20:31.58 | valdyn | unomystEz: those versions look like alsa, but what do I know |
| 20:32.02 | sidney_ | BP? still here? |
| 20:32.23 | unomystEz | valdyn: wow, very impressive! |
| 20:32.28 | unomystEz | http://pastebin.ca/2121559 |
| 20:33.21 | valdyn | unomystEz: dont use those wine packages |
| 20:33.31 | Blue1 | is there a virtualbox help channel? |
| 20:33.43 | unomystEz | valdyn: which ones do you recommend? or compile from source? |
| 20:33.51 | jbrks | Blue1, #vbox |
| 20:33.59 | Blue1 | jbrks: thanks |
| 20:34.10 | valdyn | unomystEz: get something from winehq.com or compile yourself. The debian packages are horribly old |
| 20:34.21 | unomystEz | valdyn: <g> |
| 20:34.23 | unomystEz | thanks |
| 20:34.32 | jelly-home | unomystEz: don't install packages for testing/unstable on your stable system |
| 20:34.54 | valdyn | unomystEz: what works nicely probably is to get the source from winehq.com and compile after running "apt-get build-dep wine" |
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| 20:35.15 | jelly-home | unomystEz: which debian release are you using? |
| 20:35.47 | jelly-home | ,versions lib32asound2 --arch amd64 |
| 20:35.48 | judd | Package: lib32asound2 on amd64 -- lenny: 1.0.16-2; lenny-backports: 1.0.23-2.1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 1.0.23-2.1; sid: 1.0.25-2; wheezy: 1.0.25-2 |
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| 20:35.55 | valdyn | judd: versions libwine-alsa-unstable |
| 20:35.56 | judd | Package: libwine-alsa-unstable on i386 -- sid: 1.1.36-1 |
| 20:35.58 | unomystEz | squeeze |
| 20:36.14 | taylorjonl | My eth0 is missing but I have an entry for it in /etc/network/interfaces and dmesg shows my device and a driver loading |
| 20:36.18 | jelly-home | unomystEz: you're not on squeeze, alsa 1.0.24 is too new |
| 20:36.31 | valdyn | is this ubuntu wine packages? |
| 20:36.35 | jelly-home | unomystEz: pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy", please |
| 20:36.35 | valdyn | dont use those either |
| 20:36.47 | jelly-home | valdyn: that seems to be /msg dpkg wine-unstable |
| 20:36.57 | valdyn | !wine-unstable |
| 20:36.57 | dpkg | Unofficial but more up-to-date builds of wine-unstable for sid at http://dev.carbon-project.org/debian/wine-unstable/ |
| 20:37.15 | valdyn | unomystEz: mind the "for sid", those are not for you |
| 20:37.26 | unomystEz | source is compiling |
| 20:37.30 | valdyn | unomystEz: it shouldnt be hard to compile yourself with the instructions I gave you |
| 20:37.38 | unomystEz | yes, I'm compiling from git |
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| 20:38.07 | jelly-home | valdyn: ubuntu's builds result in a very small number of binary packages, not the 20 or so like Debian's |
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| 20:38.28 | jelly-home | basically just "wine" and "libwine" or maybe even just "wine" |
| 20:38.57 | Guest24485 | I am trying to load module "vloopback" to get my webcam working but it says module not found, any idea ? |
| 20:39.00 | unomystEz | do you guys run debian on your desktop or mostly for servers/ |
| 20:39.12 | valdyn | unomystEz: everything |
| 20:39.44 | unomystEz | nice, I'm coming from LMDE but setting up d6 in virtualbox as test run |
| 20:40.01 | unomystEz | just making sure I can get a sane xfce4 env up and running |
| 20:40.03 | unomystEz | so far so good |
| 20:40.04 | valdyn | I can see myself using mac i guess, but windows is no longer an alternative, it sucks doing anything serious with it |
| 20:40.23 | unomystEz | I can't use mac as I like my home, end, insert, del keys |
| 20:40.35 | unomystEz | just ordered a realforce keyboard actually =) |
| 20:40.35 | Guest24485 | i have tried searching for any additional vloopback package but nothing is found |
| 20:40.37 | jelly-home | OSX is heading into as-closed-as-possible teritory |
| 20:41.05 | unomystEz | i was excited about osx when it was first announced having been "forked" from freebsd |
| 20:41.12 | jelly-home | unomystEz: I just plug in a usb keyboard with a trackpoint |
| 20:41.19 | unomystEz | aha |
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| 20:42.43 | Guest24485 | [2011-12-29] vloopback REMOVED from testing (Britney) |
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| 20:44.37 | ParkerR | Ftw! |
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| 20:46.19 | unomystEz | are there any debian distros that come pre-configured as xfce4 desktop? or do we do that manually? |
| 20:47.07 | rypervenche | unomystEz: You can use xfce4 on the normal Debian. Choose it in the advanced options when you install |
| 20:47.11 | engla | unomystEz: you can configure your debian as you'd like. I know one debian derivative with xfce and that's xubuntu |
| 20:47.23 | unomystEz | fair enough |
| 20:47.49 | engla | unomystEz: I have performed this great trick myself of installing xfce4 :) |
| 20:47.49 | rypervenche | unomystEz: I installed xfce when I installed Debian. :) |
| 20:47.55 | unomystEz | rypervenche: how does choosing during install necessarily differ from installing it via apt-get after normal installation? |
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| 20:48.31 | rypervenche | unomystEz: Only that you start out on Xfce instead of on Gnome, and it saves space. It doesn't install all of the Gnome stuff. |
| 20:48.36 | technologov | hi ! how-to intersect user-names of 2 IRC channels ? ...assume I have 2 IRC channels (for 2 projects), how-to find out which people are interested in both projects? |
| 20:49.08 | e-anima | ha my lenny squeeze update only killed the mysql server :) |
| 20:49.08 | engla | technologov: export both user lists and find the intersection? |
| 20:50.31 | technologov | is trying to figure out how-to export user list from X-chat |
| 20:50.48 | engla | technologov: a tool like `uniq -d` can find the intersection of two user lists |
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| 20:54.53 | technologov | quick googling didn't reveal how-to export IRC user list |
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| 20:58.22 | GorillaPatch | Hello everyone. Is there a way to tell which options were passed to the configure script when a package was buit? |
| 20:59.05 | Woet | which package? |
| 20:59.12 | GorillaPatch | strongSwan |
| 20:59.28 | scientes | only way i know is do do apt-get source $PACKAGE |
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| 20:59.32 | scientes | and then looking at debian/rules |
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| 20:59.44 | scientes | GorillaPatch, ^ |
| 20:59.52 | GorillaPatch | I need to know if it was built with the --enable-cisco-quirks option |
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| 21:00.18 | sanitypassing | is there any way to encrypt the entire harddrive during installation? |
| 21:00.37 | scientes | sanitypassing, yes, select "LVM with encryption" |
| 21:00.40 | GorillaPatch | scientes: are the debian rules also published on the package search ? |
| 21:00.52 | sanitypassing | scientes: Ok, thank you. |
| 21:01.00 | scientes | GorillaPatch, i don't believe so |
| 21:01.32 | GorillaPatch | OK. I did not have a look at the package manager |
| 21:01.36 | scientes | but if you download the source package and it doesn't use the flags you need, you can then immediately change it and compile the packge |
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| 21:01.37 | GorillaPatch | so where are the rules? |
| 21:01.50 | scientes | *recompile the package as you need it |
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| 21:02.01 | scientes | in debian/rules of a source tree of a debian package |
| 21:02.04 | GorillaPatch | scientes: How are further updates handled? |
| 21:02.13 | GorillaPatch | when the package was compiled? |
| 21:02.20 | scientes | GorillaPatch, well you can put a "hold" on the package after you install your own version |
| 21:02.39 | scientes | and then when a new version comes out you have to repeat the process--dl source, change flags, recompile |
| 21:03.00 | scientes | , install |
| 21:03.16 | scientes | but check it first |
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| 21:03.25 | scientes | with apt-get source $PACKAGE |
| 21:03.32 | scientes | in debian/rules |
| 21:03.32 | GorillaPatch | Downloading the source package will install any dependencies as well? |
| 21:03.55 | scientes | no, if you need to build, you do apt-get build-dep $PACKAGES |
| 21:04.27 | scientes | then to build do dpkg-buildpackage |
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| 21:04.42 | scientes | make sure you have build-essential and fakeroot also installed |
| 21:04.55 | GorillaPatch | what is fakeroot? |
| 21:04.55 | GorillaPatch | ? |
| 21:04.56 | ParkerR | :D http://i.minus.com/ibmM8iEAfUwhbr.png |
| 21:04.59 | scientes | !fakeroot |
| 21:05.00 | dpkg | fakeroot is, like, a program that provides fake root environment, or a glorious hack that enables you to be root without actually being root. Usefull for creating tarballs with setuid 0 files in them. |
| 21:05.19 | GorillaPatch | OK. |
| 21:06.08 | GorillaPatch | What is the benefit of doing this instead of downloading the source from the homepage and build it myself? |
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| 21:06.40 | scientes | GorillaPatch, have you checked the rules file of the source to see if the debian binary fits your needs? |
| 21:06.46 | scientes | that was where i started |
| 21:07.05 | GorillaPatch | OK I will do that first scientes . Thanks for your help |
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| 21:07.41 | scientes | otherwise, if you build from the debian----1.same version as debian. 2. you get a .deb file with accurate dependancies 3.apt-get build-dep works to get build deps |
| 21:07.58 | scientes | if you get it from them and they don't maintain a /debian folder, try this |
| 21:08.00 | ztag100 | yesterday somebody told me about a gui tool to setup multiple displays, can anyone remind me of the name |
| 21:08.00 | scientes | !checkinstall |
| 21:08.01 | dpkg | CheckInstall is a program that tracks all files installed by "make install" (or equivalent), creates a Debian (or other) package with those files, and adds it to the installed packages database, allowing for easy package removal or distribution. http://asic-linux.com.mx/~izto/checkinstall/ See also <stow>. |
| 21:08.32 | scientes | ztag100, gnome ships something like that in the settings manager |
| 21:08.47 | sidney_ | Is there any difference between the businesscard install and the live install |
| 21:09.11 | ztag100 | there was a third party tool |
| 21:09.36 | scientes | sidney_, the live install of some distros have peculier limitations on what filesystems you can install too |
| 21:09.44 | cdown | Hi -- I have to upgrade my kernel for i915 to work with my video card, however, upgrading my kernel to 3.2.0 results in lockups whenever I try to use my webcam, specifically i915 reports "Hangcheck timer elapsed: GPU hung" in the kernel message buffer. Without using the kernel in backports I have to use VESA and a crazy low resolution. How should I approach this? |
| 21:10.01 | ztag100 | it's arandr |
| 21:10.04 | scientes | otherwise, if you choose the desktop tasksel, no difference sidney_ |
| 21:10.11 | somiaj | sidney_: yes and no. The businesscard requires the internet and dosen't even have a base system, as such you can install any collection of packages/tasks you want. Live installs will install a system that looks like the live system (But from there you can uinstall and install various things form internt sources) |
| 21:10.31 | somiaj | cdown: how did you upgrade your kernel (is in where did you get this new kernel) |
| 21:10.39 | cdown | somiaj: Backports |
| 21:10.48 | cdown | linux-{image,headers}-2.6-686 |
| 21:10.59 | GorillaPatch | scientes: Just for your information, the strong swan package is built without the option I needed |
| 21:11.25 | somiaj | cdown: can't really say what the webcam issue is, do you need install the linux-firmware-nonfree from backports as well? |
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| 21:11.39 | cdown | somiaj: No -- it works fine in VESA |
| 21:11.40 | kallisti | okay so, without GNOME, what does X do with a prntscr press? |
| 21:11.48 | scientes | GorillaPatch, yeah its your choice, but to do it from the debian source version, just modify the rules file to what you need, and then do dpkg-buildpackage |
| 21:11.54 | cdown | But when I try to use it with i915 the GPU hangs. |
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| 21:12.13 | GorillaPatch | yes I will try that |
| 21:12.17 | somiaj | cdown: have you tried the backported version of xorg, maybe you need a newer xorg driver too |
| 21:12.25 | scientes | ^^^^ |
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| 21:12.28 | scientes | sounds smart |
| 21:12.28 | cdown | somiaj: will try. thanks. |
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| 21:17.46 | Batzy | do you have to use GNOME 3 as the default DE when you install debian? |
| 21:17.48 | cdown | somiaj: Thanks! I should have thought of that, that works |
| 21:17.55 | cdown | Have a nice day! :-) |
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| 21:18.26 | nsadmin | Batzy, no of course not, there are other choices, like kde and lxde |
| 21:18.40 | nsadmin | and very lightweight non-des |
| 21:18.58 | somiaj | Batzy: debian squeeze (current) stable is gnome 2 |
| 21:19.06 | GorillaPatch | scientes: It does not really work: I ran an apt-get build-dep strong swan to install the dependencies |
| 21:19.10 | Batzy | somiaj: really? very cool |
| 21:19.25 | GorillaPatch | and then I ran dpkg-buildpackage inside the package directory |
| 21:19.27 | somiaj | Batzy: gnome 3 will be the gnome enviorment in wheezy (when it is released) but you of course can use other desktop enviroments or wms/ |
| 21:19.48 | GorillaPatch | it fails with: "dpkg-buildpackage: error: debian/rules clean gave error exit status 2" |
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| 21:21.00 | GorillaPatch | ahh my fault |
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| 21:22.02 | datenritter | hi! i just saw that in testing w/ kernel 3.2 i get a tmptfs fot /tmp, even though i haven't put that in /etc/fstab. how can i disable ist? i need a lot of space in /tmp, so tmpfs isn't suitable for me. |
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| 21:23.53 | somiaj | datenritter: check /etc/default/tmpfs |
| 21:24.54 | jbrks | datenritter, just comment out /tmp in fstab |
| 21:25.09 | jbrks | datenritter, and check that default tmpfs file setting |
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| 21:27.07 | datenritter | somiaj: that's outdated |
| 21:27.20 | datenritter | jbrks: it's not in /etc/fstab. looks like i have to check rcS |
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| 21:28.59 | datenritter | yeah, it's in /etc/default/rcS |
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| 21:30.13 | unomystEz | ext4 or ext3 on debian 6 desktop? |
| 21:30.30 | jbrks | unomystEz, either is fine |
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| 21:30.41 | emss | use both :) |
| 21:30.43 | unomystEz | guess it wouldn't really matter if I mentioned this is on an SSD |
| 21:30.53 | jbrks | unomystEz, correct |
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| 21:31.49 | jbrks | unomystEz, ssd hardware (good ones), are smart enough to handle minimizing using the same cell byte |
| 21:32.17 | jelly-home | unomystEz: ext4, no journal |
| 21:32.20 | jbrks | unomystEz, so don't trust "defragmentation" reports |
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| 21:32.39 | jbrks | jelly-home, not necessary.. |
| 21:32.47 | jbrks | just use it as a regular drive.. you'll be fine |
| 21:32.51 | jelly-home | jbrks: I know. But he asked. |
| 21:33.06 | jbrks | no he didnt.. he didnt ask about placing no journal |
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| 21:33.32 | jbrks | keep it simple.. it's fine to use it as ext3/ext4.. no special tinkering needed |
| 21:33.40 | jelly-home | that was my addition. |
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| 21:34.09 | jelly-home | no need to tax ssd's wear-leveling firmware needlessly |
| 21:34.13 | unomystEz | i heard journaling might actually help |
| 21:34.28 | jbrks | jelly-home, read what i said about smart hardware |
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| 21:34.43 | jelly-home | jbrks: I'm taking that into account. |
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| 21:35.26 | jelly-home | jbrks: you can find what tytso said about ssd recommendations, if you wish |
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| 21:35.59 | styler | hi... i installed debian testing on a laptop asus x53u (amd vision/radeon hd 6290) but when booting, it "freezes" the screen gets jibberish on it and the keyboard doesn't work... but i can ssh into the machine... any ideas? |
| 21:36.07 | styler | must be a kernel issue of some kind |
| 21:36.55 | styler | kernel = 3.2.0-1-486 |
| 21:37.04 | jbrks | styler, what does dmesg say? |
| 21:37.31 | styler | yeh i looked at that too... the last line says "eth0: no IPv6 routers present" |
| 21:38.00 | jbrks | styler, uh.. did u try to boot into runlevel 1 ? |
| 21:38.08 | jbrks | hmm |
| 21:38.11 | jbrks | 486? |
| 21:38.20 | jbrks | styler, don't use that kernel.. |
| 21:38.24 | styler | yeh i tried 686 first, then 486... same problem |
| 21:38.37 | styler | the last dmesg is at around 25 seconds |
| 21:38.48 | datenritter | unomystEz: you might boldly go for btrfs. it supports ssds better afaik. |
| 21:38.59 | jbrks | datenritter, no it doesnt |
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| 21:39.45 | datenritter | jbrks: what about the command to delete blocks... erm, i forgot... |
| 21:39.47 | jbrks | styler, it's nto a kern problem, it would be more a driver one |
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| 21:40.20 | styler | jbrks: ok... maybe something related to the frame buffer? |
| 21:40.39 | datenritter | trim |
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| 21:40.51 | datenritter | btrfs uses trim if you mount it with -o ssd afaik |
| 21:41.01 | bpb_grinda | hi. how can i check disk quota for a user ? |
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| 21:41.22 | datenritter | also, it doesn't try to avoid fragmentation |
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| 21:44.43 | jbrks | http://www.micro-isv.asia/2010/12/never-defragment-an-ssd/ |
| 21:44.46 | e-anima | any tips on debugging apache. somehow no errors but website not reachable anymore |
| 21:44.56 | unomystEz | wow, gnome desktop install installs 440 pkgs, xfce, 793... |
| 21:45.14 | datenritter | e-anima: what's in /etc/apache2/error.log ? is it empty? |
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| 21:45.19 | datenritter | e-anima: restarted? |
| 21:45.25 | Jazo | how can i design my web site? i m new that |
| 21:45.26 | e-anima | yes |
| 21:45.27 | jbrks | btrfs is beta afaik.. |
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| 21:46.10 | e-anima | datenritter hmm i see all full of: Allowed memory size of 262144 bytes exhausted (tried to allocate 523800 bytes) in Unknown on line 0 |
| 21:46.13 | Jazo | what should i do first? |
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| 21:46.36 | valdyn | the idea that fragmentation does not affect ssd is nonsense ( though thats not enough reason to try to defragment them ) |
| 21:46.42 | jbrks | Jazo, first you should know how to edit an html file. second you should know where to save one. |
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| 21:47.39 | jbrks | valdyn, uh.. rtfm |
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| 21:48.10 | e-anima | sahme on me .. i did memory_limit = 128MB |
| 21:48.12 | valdyn | jbrks: what exactly do you think I should read? |
| 21:48.16 | e-anima | jea MB ... not M ^^ |
| 21:48.25 | jbrks | valdyn, that wasnt for u. you're not smart enough. |
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| 21:49.26 | Jazo | jbrks how can i rehash html file? |
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| 21:53.20 | trysten | what the hell jbrks |
| 21:53.25 | trysten | don't be a troll. |
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| 21:54.02 | trysten | valdyn: are you sure? why would fragmentation affect it? is it even really fragmentation? |
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| 21:54.46 | Jazo | how can i rehash(restart) html file from shell? |
| 21:56.30 | trysten | Jazo: if you are viewing the file is a web brower, you'll want to reload the file from there. it's F5 in most browsers |
| 21:56.39 | valdyn | trysten: ssd can only be written to in chunks, those chunks are relatively huge. If a small file is "fragmented" accross 2 such blocks it takes twice as long to read or write. ( you can call that effect whatever you want, I dont think fragmentation is a bad name for this ) |
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| 21:58.14 | Jazo | thanks |
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| 22:02.05 | trysten | valdyn: true that. wouldn't ext take care of that automatically though? |
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| 22:02.45 | trysten | valdyn: what i mean to say is, can you demonstrate an actual case of this latency? |
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| 22:04.48 | Jazo | how can i install cgi:irc to my web site? |
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| 22:15.19 | sidney_ | what is the problem when source-list is empty? |
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| 22:16.35 | aguitel | sidney_, no updates |
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| 22:18.50 | sidney_ | it's a new install so are you saying i should update? |
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| 22:20.16 | aguitel | sidney_, you need to generate sources.list |
| 22:20.57 | aguitel | sidney_, http://debgen.simplylinux.ch/ |
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| 22:22.32 | sidney_ | aguitel, one more question should this be source-list or sources-list or does it matter |
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| 22:23.28 | aguitel | sidney_, this file are:/etc/apt/sources.list |
| 22:23.42 | sidney_ | thanks |
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| 22:25.47 | Dev0n | hey, anyone know how I could run sendmail through proxychains ? |
| 22:26.05 | sidney_ | aguitel, that is a cool site thank you much |
| 22:26.20 | Dev0n | the deb package says "works fine with sendmail MTA" |
| 22:26.39 | Dev0n | but I'm not sure how to make it run through proxychains |
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| 22:39.26 | shawn186 | is debian 6 squeeze new? |
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| 22:40.36 | bpb_grinda | can someone tell me how to completely remove a package ? i tried apt-get remove but its still there |
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| 22:44.41 | aguitel | shawn186, is stable |
| 22:45.02 | aguitel | bpb_grinda, what package? |
| 22:45.30 | aguitel | bpb_grinda, local package? |
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| 22:45.56 | shawn186 | huh? |
| 22:46.34 | bpb_grinda | aguitel postfix |
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| 22:48.40 | aguitel | bpb_grinda, try with synaptic |
| 22:50.03 | bpb_grinda | i tried apt-get remove and apt-get purge - its not working. i have only SSH access |
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| 23:12.08 | chairmaster | i am having trouble setting up a transparent bridge, i have installed bridge-utils, i have added a bridge with my 2 interfaces, i can't seem to get traffic to pass through though |
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| 23:13.40 | chairmaster | and i don't know what to try next |
| 23:14.50 | chairmaster | i think i might need to put them in promiscuious mode |
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| 23:15.52 | D-Boy | When creating a screen i can specify a sessionname to identify the screen session after (-S) how about to modify this sessionname for an existing screen session |
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| 23:17.56 | Mr-R | D-Boy: sorry, but rtfm. "man screen" and search (with "/") for "rename" |
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| 23:18.53 | naiv | Q: let's say my computer is the unique server for mydomain.com, I don't get if I my hostname must be mydomain or mymachine and what to write in /etc/hosts, 192.168.1.1 mydomain.com mydomain, or mymachine.mydomain.com mymachine, I can't find a clear example. Would you know ? |
| 23:20.03 | chairmaster | sometimes things need a fully qualified domain name |
| 23:20.14 | chairmaster | which is what your hostname.domain.name represents |
| 23:21.03 | chairmaster | your hosts file only resolves things for that machine |
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| 23:24.39 | D-Boy | Mr-R : got it, thx |
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| 23:26.28 | naiv | chairmaster, oh right, but may I ask for precision, every server under a domain has his proper hostname, I mean, no one has mydomain as hostname right ? |
| 23:27.17 | chairmaster | a domain name is not a host name |
| 23:27.20 | chairmaster | only hosts can have host names |
| 23:29.16 | naiv | okay, thank you for your help |
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| 23:34.05 | naiv | chairmaster, oh but how do I tell my computer that he is mydomain.com ? localip hostname.domain.name hostname, then localip domain.name ? (I need it to resolve local http requests) |
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| 23:37.57 | rtmex | Hello all, I have Debian squueze without x, just the console, how can I display extended ascii characters? |
| 23:38.31 | rtmex | what codeset should I use? |
| 23:41.21 | karlpinc | naiv, chairmaster: Wrong. There's no difference between domain names and hostnames. See RFC1034. |
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| 23:42.20 | karlpinc | rtmex: Generally, utf8. |
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| 23:43.03 | karlpinc | rtmex: Generally "dpkg-reconfigure locales". I think. |
| 23:43.28 | acx0 | does anyone know if these settings ( http://bit.ly/xhbduV ) apply to aptitude? or if there are equivelent settings to achieve the same functionality |
| 23:44.10 | naiv | karlpinc, ok, so, do I ever need a server with hostname « mydomain » in order to make all stuff under mydomain.name work correctly ? |
| 23:44.17 | acx0 | I tried putting them in my local and then system aptitude config file, but it build-dependencies still end up being marked as manually installed |
| 23:44.24 | rtmex | I have UTF-8 selected on the console-setuo file |
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| 23:50.39 | karlpinc | naiv: Depends on the behavior you want. For instance, you can go to www.google.com or just google.com. Both refer you to a machine. (I tend to have http to a domain redirect to www.domain, just so everybody sees the same url.) |
| 23:50.58 | karlpinc | rtmex: You'll have to tell us what's not working. |
| 23:52.54 | karlpinc | naiv: You either need to setup a dns server on your network (or the net) or use a hosts file on all the boxes. |
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| 23:57.07 | naiv | karlpinc, but in facts, there's no such machine with hostname « google » right ? The dns server may redirect to somehostname.google.com ? |
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| 23:58.50 | karlpinc | naiv: It's not the dns server that does the redirect, it's a http server. That server has the name "google.com". (That same server may also have the name www.google.com associated with the same IP as google.com.) |
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