| 00:00.27 | Xenguy | jelly-home: Damn, mealtime has arrived, I have to take a break. Feel free to launch any parting shots before you go to bed ;-) |
| 00:00.39 | Xenguy | jelly-home: Thanks again, very much, for your help! |
| 00:01.25 | Xenguy | jelly-home: (And honestly, does my situation look recoverable to you? I mean, I hope it is, but ...?) |
| 00:01.29 | jelly-home | Xenguy: this seems fine, I'm not sure what's keeping it stopped. |
| 00:02.21 | Xenguy | OK, have to break ATM, thanks again, and TTYL :-) |
| 00:03.10 | jelly-home | Xenguy: I wonder what would happen if you got back to lenny in sources.list, did an update, and tried to do a dist-upgrade of lenny, before trying for squeeze again. |
| 00:03.47 | anigma | Diopter: http://pastebin.com/zVjkdeK5 |
| 00:03.50 | jelly-home | Xenguy: other than that, no immediate ideas. Sorry. Perhaps some other day. |
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| 00:04.55 | Diopter | anigma: Cool. So eth0 is up, has a link, and has both IPs on it. I presume that your netmasks are, in fact, actually /24? Because those are pretty big masks for public IPs these days. |
| 00:05.19 | Diopter | anigma: Also, I can ping the primary IP, .109 |
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| 00:06.10 | anigma | Diopter: the netmaskas are /24. |
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| 00:06.27 | Diopter | anigma: Alright. What's your routing table and iptables look like? ("ip r", "iptables-save") |
| 00:07.52 | anigma | Diopter: well, .217 is not mentioned there... http://pastebin.com/iWDfXsKz |
| 00:08.36 | Diopter | anigma: It shouldn't be, as it's not the primary IP on the adapter. |
| 00:08.46 | anigma | oh, right. |
| 00:08.59 | Diopter | anigma: You have a default route, and an interface route for the range (/24), with a fallback source ip (.109) |
| 00:09.10 | Diopter | But if .217 is contacted directly, the response traffic should come from .217 |
| 00:09.23 | Diopter | So the question is, is .217 routed properly |
| 00:09.36 | Diopter | ping -I 208.79.216.217 208.79.216.1 |
| 00:09.42 | Diopter | (ping your gateway from the secondary IP) |
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| 00:10.37 | civillian | anigma: what is your iptables default policy |
| 00:11.00 | Diopter | civillian: Their primary IP is reachable, so it can't be a default policy issue on INPUT |
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| 00:11.34 | civillian | Diopter: yes it could |
| 00:11.52 | Diopter | civillian: It can't be the *default* policy that's the issue. It could be a specific rule. |
| 00:12.22 | civillian | Diopter: if the rule specifies a layer 3 address, then the packet wouldn't match and therefor hit the default policy, no? |
| 00:12.40 | Diopter | If there's a rule at all, yes. |
| 00:12.47 | Diopter | But that wouldn't be the default policy at fault, technically :) |
| 00:12.57 | civillian | Diopter: anyway Mr. anigma isn't being very forthcoming so I'm going for a smoke |
| 00:13.05 | Diopter | Agreed. Need an iptables-save |
| 00:13.10 | Diopter | Or a gateway ping from the second ip |
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| 00:15.06 | anigma | this is like the first time I've ever done any ip routing. So I'm not sure at all what my iptables policies are. |
| 00:15.18 | anigma | Diopter: I did however ping my gateway |
| 00:15.19 | anigma | hold on |
| 00:15.23 | anigma | give you the output |
| 00:15.52 | anigma | http://pastebin.com/UA61hkt1 |
| 00:16.02 | Diopter | anigma: "iptables-save" will dump your iptables rules for all tables, so that'd be handy |
| 00:16.51 | anigma | does it dump to a specific file? cause' I get nothing when I do "iptables-save" |
| 00:17.19 | Diopter | Probably means you didn't have a single rule loaded. |
| 00:17.25 | Diopter | Try iptables -nvL |
| 00:17.32 | Diopter | Probably just three blank chains |
| 00:17.49 | anigma | exactly |
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| 00:17.58 | Diopter | Cool. |
| 00:18.18 | Diopter | Can modify the IPs and routing tables on this box, or is it communicating over the primary currently? |
| 00:18.42 | anigma | it's currently using the primary |
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| 00:19.43 | Diopter | anigma: I mean... are you on the box over ssh? Or can we break networking for a moment? |
| 00:20.23 | sidney | :/home# cd /sidney says no such file or dir |
| 00:20.34 | Diopter | sidney: That's because you have / in front of it |
| 00:20.42 | anigma | Diopter: I am. But I wouldn't mind breaking the connection. |
| 00:20.44 | Diopter | sidney: Try cd sidney, or just "cd" by itself. |
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| 00:21.39 | sidney | diopter thanks |
| 00:21.49 | Diopter | anigma: Well, I'm fairly confident that your traffic is not being routed by your gateway |
| 00:21.57 | Diopter | anigma: You should probably carefully double check that .217, first |
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| 00:22.40 | Diopter | Without any iptables rules or non-default policies, able to ping the primary, the secondary should be pingable as well |
| 00:22.44 | boudiccas | if transmission can get torrents, what gets magnets please? |
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| 00:24.34 | Iridos | ICP? |
| 00:24.42 | Diopter | hahaha |
| 00:24.45 | dioz | do magnets surge? |
| 00:24.46 | Diopter | Well-played |
| 00:24.55 | jelly-home | boudiccas: does the trivial http://google.com/search?q=magnet+links+linux search not help? |
| 00:25.04 | Iridos | yeah... sorry, couldn't resist |
| 00:25.28 | jelly-home | Iridos: I thought it was "other magnets". |
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| 00:25.51 | smacnay | In gnome3 - where do I change my default mail app and web browser? |
| 00:25.54 | Iridos | jelly-home, I don't wanna talk to a scientist! |
| 00:26.46 | Iridos | (the chap's not telling the truth and making me upset) |
| 00:27.04 | boudiccas | jelly-home; thanks, i keep forgetting to search google for myself before asking here :( |
| 00:27.16 | Diopter | Confounding sticky-rocks, I can't discern them! |
| 00:28.20 | abrotman | jelly-home: you're so tricky .. using google |
| 00:28.42 | jelly-home | yeah yeah... google is evil |
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| 00:31.48 | streuner_ | "Live is hard, when the parrot flow against the wall" |
| 00:31.58 | cerales | My installer hangs repeatedly at 50% on Scanning disks. I'm trying to install Testing from a netinstall image. Could anyone help with this?\ |
| 00:32.04 | blast_hardcheese | Are sasl and pam equivalent in terms of ldap-related functionality? |
| 00:32.31 | sidney | http://paste.debian.net/157728/ seems there's another stop sign |
| 00:32.33 | streuner_ | cerales: did you verify the iso itself? |
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| 00:32.47 | cerales | streuner_: no, I didn't. guess I should habge |
| 00:32.49 | cerales | have* |
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| 00:33.44 | streuner_ | cerales: oh, wait, testing installers? |
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| 00:34.42 | streuner_ | cerales: use a stable installer and upgrade to testing, less headaches |
| 00:34.59 | abrotman | blast_hardcheese: do you know what each do ? |
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| 00:36.30 | cerales | streuner_: good idea, thanks. |
| 00:39.14 | anigma | Diopter: got it working now. Had someone add it in ebtables. |
| 00:39.37 | Diopter | anigma: ebtables on your box, or on the router? |
| 00:39.43 | anigma | on the router |
| 00:39.46 | Diopter | nod |
| 00:39.54 | Diopter | Good deal. |
| 00:40.17 | Diopter | Sounds like you're using a VM, or forwarding through a brouter |
| 00:40.17 | anigma | and I got a ipv6 address for the troubles :) |
| 00:40.24 | anigma | indeed. |
| 00:40.29 | blast_hardcheese | abrotman: Not at all |
| 00:41.09 | blast_hardcheese | I think pam is a backing store, but it might just be an API like SASL |
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| 00:43.18 | anigma | Diopter: what is a brouter? |
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| 00:44.01 | cerales | I'm trying to install Stable with a netinstall and my installer is hanging on 50% when 'scanning disks'.. |
| 00:44.30 | streuner_ | oh, something new :-) |
| 00:44.53 | streuner_ | cerales: what kind of disks should that be? |
| 00:44.54 | blast_hardcheese | anigma: Router made of bread? |
| 00:45.31 | streuner_ | cerales: are you using a stable d-i? |
| 00:46.00 | sidney | chmod +x $binary is a valid command? |
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| 00:46.23 | Diopter | anigma: bridger/router. In the case of a linux box, making use of linux bridges and ebtables' "broute" table to make bridging vs. routing decisions. |
| 00:46.25 | blast_hardcheese | sidney: if $binary is defined, yes |
| 00:46.38 | Diopter | anigma: If you run ebtables -t broute -L, you'll see the BROUTING chain. |
| 00:46.56 | cerales | streuner_: I don't know what that is.. |
| 00:47.08 | streuner_ | cerales: what? d-i or disks? |
| 00:47.49 | streuner_ | cerales: well, if you really using a stable installer, just unplug everything else what is possible |
| 00:49.19 | streuner_ | doubt that cerales downloaded a stable installer and burn the CD/DVD within 2-4 minutes |
| 00:49.20 | cerales | streuner_: I don't know what d-i is. I'm using a stable installer on a USB drive with a netinstall image, in a laptop |
| 00:49.40 | streuner_ | cerales: d-i = debian-installer |
| 00:49.44 | cerales | oh right |
| 00:49.56 | cerales | debian-installer with netinstall, yeah, though i could download a full installer |
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| 00:50.07 | streuner_ | nah |
| 00:50.12 | streuner_ | network is ok |
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| 00:51.22 | streuner_ | cerales: i have no idea about USB and how to install via that media, but i've heard that you prolly have to use some "hybrid" isos, whatever that is |
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| 00:52.03 | cerales | streuner_: Interesting.. this is odd, because it's the only time I've done this and it hasn't "just worked". Maybe I'll try booting into cfdisk or whatever and getting rid of all the windows partitions first |
| 00:52.06 | streuner_ | cerales: in doubt, i would read <ig> |
| 00:52.16 | cerales | streuner_: cool be lenovo's sneaky stuff breaking it |
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| 00:52.54 | BladeMcCool | will a change to mysql-common change the rest of my mysql or need to shut down the mysql server? |
| 00:52.58 | craigevil | normal installer works for install from usb, info is in the install guide |
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| 00:55.34 | abrotman | !tell kallisti about root |
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| 00:57.54 | kallisti | perhaps if Debian weren't configured for a sudo-less install I would be less inclined to use su to access the programs that were only available in /root/bin. :P |
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| 00:58.15 | kallisti | I should just copy them over to somewhere in PATH |
| 00:58.40 | themill | you keep irssi in /root/bin? |
| 00:58.43 | kallisti | no |
| 00:58.46 | themill | quite. |
| 00:58.48 | kallisti | but I am forgetful. |
| 00:58.56 | kallisti | and may have forgotten I was root on this terminal. :P |
| 00:59.18 | blast_hardcheese | there's usually this little $ symbol on your prompt, usually it changes to a # when you're root |
| 00:59.45 | blast_hardcheese | Also, if they are one-off commands, why not just use sudo? |
| 00:59.52 | kallisti | ...see above. |
| 01:00.00 | kallisti | I just need to copy them over to PATH or something. |
| 01:00.16 | blast_hardcheese | I don't know what "configured for a sudo-less install" means |
| 01:00.29 | kallisti | meaning there are programs by default that were only installed in /root/bin |
| 01:00.38 | kallisti | so to use them I used su |
| 01:00.52 | kallisti | things like modprobe, ifup, iwconfig |
| 01:00.54 | themill | blast_hardcheese: it means "I'm too lazy to apt-get install sudo" |
| 01:00.56 | blast_hardcheese | What installs in /root/bin/ by default o_o |
| 01:01.00 | kallisti | ^ |
| 01:01.11 | blast_hardcheese | Oh, you mean sbin |
| 01:01.17 | themill | kallisti: nothing is in /root/bin in debian... |
| 01:01.24 | kallisti | oh. well nevermind then. |
| 01:01.29 | blast_hardcheese | kallisti: PROTIP: Add /sbin/ and /usr/sbin/ to your PATH. |
| 01:01.33 | blast_hardcheese | then be done. |
| 01:01.57 | kallisti | I apologize if I seem rude I've been rather frustrated trying to configure my wireless all day. |
| 01:02.06 | sidney | will someone take a look please http://paste.debian.net/157730/ |
| 01:02.08 | blast_hardcheese | Why is it taking so long? |
| 01:02.13 | kallisti | I've tried both b43 and wl and neither have worked. |
| 01:02.35 | blast_hardcheese | sidney: oh crap, I'm running in runlevel 1 |
| 01:02.41 | blast_hardcheese | ...wait a minute... |
| 01:02.43 | kallisti | 03:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4312 802.11b/g LP-PHY (rev 01) |
| 01:02.48 | kallisti | blast_hardcheese: ^ that's why |
| 01:03.32 | blast_hardcheese | kallisti: lspci -n? |
| 01:03.51 | blast_hardcheese | (what's the full identifier for that card) |
| 01:04.10 | dvs | kallisti: http://wiki.debian.org/wl |
| 01:04.17 | kallisti | I did |
| 01:04.20 | kallisti | not working. |
| 01:04.24 | dvs | that's the only one that worked for me |
| 01:04.28 | blast_hardcheese | "not working" |
| 01:04.33 | blast_hardcheese | http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ ? |
| 01:04.35 | streuner_ | well, maybe a bug? |
| 01:05.09 | engla | kallisti: doc says your card is supported by linux 2.6.33 or later in b43 driver |
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| 01:06.23 | streuner_ | kallisti: 2.6.32 is in squeeze/stable, by the way |
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| 01:07.33 | engla | also, install firmware etc (I don't find your messages in my backlog, so I don't know if you did) |
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| 01:08.21 | kallisti | I'm on 3.2 |
| 01:08.29 | dvs | ??? |
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| 01:08.34 | streuner_ | well, that doesnt sound like stable |
| 01:08.42 | kallisti | it's not. I'm on testing. |
| 01:08.51 | streuner_ | hm |
| 01:09.27 | streuner_ | kallisti: what does "dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1" say? |
| 01:09.34 | sidney | does Debian squeeze use Devfs |
| 01:09.50 | abrotman | sidney: udev |
| 01:09.54 | kallisti | I've tried the firmware package in the repos, as well as a manual install from the linux-wireless site, and now wl and none of them have been working. |
| 01:10.00 | abrotman | does anyone still use devfs ? |
| 01:10.02 | kallisti | ii libc6 2.13-26 Embedded GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 01:10.12 | streuner_ | judd, versions libc6 |
| 01:10.13 | judd | Package: libc6 on i386 -- lenny: 2.7-18lenny7; lenny-security: 2.7-18lenny7; squeeze: 2.11.3-2; squeeze-proposed-updates: 2.11.3-3; squeeze-updates: 2.11.3-3; sid: 2.13-26; wheezy: 2.13-26 |
| 01:10.25 | streuner_ | bad luck |
| 01:10.37 | streuner_ | testing and unstable uses the same libc6 |
| 01:10.46 | engla | kallisti: what about firmware-b43-installer |
| 01:11.07 | sidney | abrotman, so it is probally ok to contue install |
| 01:11.19 | kallisti | that's not the right one for me. mine is firmware-b43-lpphy-installer |
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| 01:11.22 | dvs | kallisti: is the ssb module loaded? |
| 01:11.28 | engla | kallisti: right, sorry |
| 01:11.53 | kallisti | dvs: it is now because the site that blast_hardcheese pointed me to listed ssb as the correct module... |
| 01:11.58 | kallisti | and now I can't remove it because it's "in use" |
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| 01:14.20 | sidney | Man this is borderline insanity jkust to install a Graphics card |
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| 01:15.52 | streuner_ | kallisti: well, you usually dont get the advice to reboot in a Linux channel, but i would just reboot now, if you can... |
| 01:15.56 | dvs | sidney: it depends on what card you're trying to make work. |
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| 01:18.18 | sidney | the complier used to compile the kernel (gcc 4.3)does not exactly match the current gcc4.4 |
| 01:18.26 | kallisti_ | so... |
| 01:18.33 | somethinginteres | Can someone clarify something about the "proposed-updates" repo. I run Wheezy. Are these considered ordinary updates or "updates before they're updates"? A bit confused. |
| 01:18.53 | kallisti_ | modprobe -r whatever |
| 01:18.56 | kallisti_ | isn't persistent right? |
| 01:19.04 | dvs | no |
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| 01:19.43 | sidney | dvs point me tro a card and i will return this one |
| 01:19.44 | kallisti_ | also, when a reload a module related to wireless firmware, do I need to restart any daemons? |
| 01:20.18 | abrotman | somethinginteres: you can probably omit them .. those packages should get into your normal repo in a day or so |
| 01:20.18 | blast_hardcheese | kallisti_: for iwconfig, no. |
| 01:20.21 | dvs | sidney: I have a 4000 and 5000 series Radeon and I've had no problems. |
| 01:20.42 | kallisti_ | blast_hardcheese: ns-applet? do I need to restart network-manager? |
| 01:20.44 | sidney | strange i have this same card in another machine that installed auto |
| 01:21.20 | dvs | sidney: do you have the firmware-linux-nonfree package installed? |
| 01:21.33 | sidney | yes |
| 01:21.46 | kallisti_ | hm, I don't have that installed. Could that possibly help me? :P |
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| 01:22.12 | kd123 | Hello |
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| 01:22.30 | kallisti_ | W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/rtl_nic/rtl8168f-2.fw for module r8169 |
| 01:22.31 | sidney | the other os installed almost 25 packages for this card |
| 01:22.33 | streuner_ | kallisti_: if you talking about iwconfig, it surely help |
| 01:22.39 | streuner_ | hm |
| 01:22.51 | streuner_ | kallisti_: install it |
| 01:22.55 | kallisti_ | that's what displayed when I installed it |
| 01:22.59 | kallisti_ | but yes it's installed now. |
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| 01:23.07 | streuner_ | just reboot |
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| 01:23.33 | kallisti_ | so since I have both wl and b43 I need to blacklist one of them right? |
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| 01:23.42 | kallisti_ | where does that happen. |
| 01:23.44 | streuner_ | kallisti_: the point is, that you get via dmesg a right line, that everything is ok... |
| 01:24.05 | abrotman | kallisti_: there's a great wiki page about that wl driver |
| 01:24.15 | kallisti_ | maybe I missed the blacklist part. |
| 01:24.16 | dvs | abrotman: already printed it. |
| 01:24.23 | kallisti_ | I'll check. |
| 01:24.41 | kallisti_ | I'd like to use b43 though |
| 01:25.24 | kallisti_ | ah it's blacklisted by default after you run module-assistant |
| 01:25.30 | abrotman | dvs: but actually read ? |
| 01:25.44 | dvs | abrotman: doubt it |
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| 01:28.06 | streuner_ | !barbie |
| 01:28.06 | dpkg | Reading the manual is HARD! Let's go shopping. |
| 01:28.08 | somethinginteres | abrotman: thanks |
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| 01:29.29 | sidney | who here can look at a list of packages in snaptic and point out the ones to install |
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| 01:30.08 | kallisti | okay. well, wireless still doesn't work. what dmesg line am I looking for? |
| 01:30.13 | sidney | synaptic |
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| 01:31.24 | abrotman | sidney: didn't you pick the packages to install ? |
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| 01:32.00 | sidney | i was installing from nvidia site |
| 01:32.07 | kallisti | streuner_: what was the dmesg line I was looking for? |
| 01:32.08 | streuner_ | kallisti: the line for your wireless nick, usually wlan0 or such |
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| 01:32.22 | kallisti | [ 19.962361] wlan0: Broadcom BCM4315 802.11 Hybrid Wireless Controller 5.100.82.112 |
| 01:32.24 | streuner_ | kallisti: dmesg | grep -i wlan* |
| 01:32.25 | kallisti | voila! |
| 01:32.44 | kallisti | but, still doesn't work with nm-applet |
| 01:32.58 | streuner_ | kallisti: well, its not configured then, IMO |
| 01:33.04 | dvs | kallisti: is there a wlan0 in /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 01:33.08 | kallisti | oh, I should probably mention that I'm not using gnome |
| 01:33.10 | kallisti | dvs: no |
| 01:33.13 | dvs | good |
| 01:33.35 | kallisti | eth0 is though |
| 01:33.44 | dvs | kallisti: if you're not using gnome then why are you using nm-applet? |
| 01:33.46 | kallisti | I think I broke nm-applet... so I switched back to auto-eth0 |
| 01:33.54 | kallisti | dvs: because wicd didn't work either. :P |
| 01:33.58 | kallisti | is there a better alternative to both? |
| 01:34.01 | kallisti | is running xmonad. |
| 01:34.21 | kallisti | everything is broken. I don't even know where to start at this point. |
| 01:34.29 | streuner_ | you cannot mix everything together, specially for WLAN... |
| 01:34.37 | dvs | there is a network-manager package that doesn't need the applet package. |
| 01:34.39 | kallisti | I removed wicd |
| 01:34.49 | kallisti | dvs: how do you use it though? |
| 01:34.59 | kallisti | I mean, I have the network-manager daemon running. how do I use it without the frontend. |
| 01:35.33 | streuner_ | interfaces |
| 01:35.43 | kallisti | hm, okay. |
| 01:35.47 | kallisti | so, how about I try that then. |
| 01:35.50 | abrotman | this is why there's a wiki page .. |
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| 01:36.20 | kallisti | which? the wifi page? |
| 01:37.27 | kallisti | okay. so how does interfaces know which encryption scheme I want? |
| 01:37.35 | kallisti | the particular network I'm trying to connect to is WEP. |
| 01:37.53 | dvs | yikes |
| 01:38.41 | abrotman | kallisti: how are you managing your connection ? |
| 01:38.42 | streuner_ | http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse#Command_Line |
| 01:38.51 | kallisti | streuner_: that's what I'm looking at right now actually. |
| 01:38.56 | kallisti | I guess I should have mentioned that... |
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| 01:39.30 | kallisti | the most the Debian wiki ever mentions WEP is when it tells you to not use WEP. |
| 01:39.34 | kallisti | I don't really have a choice though. |
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| 01:40.07 | streuner_ | kallisti: one thing, just disable every other daemon and eth(x), if you want use WLAN |
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| 01:40.53 | streuner_ | kallisti: every other daemon which is prolly in use for WLAN |
| 01:41.02 | kallisti | what about "networking" |
| 01:41.22 | kallisti | currently I've got network-manager which obviously going to be disabled. |
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| 01:41.37 | dvs | or removed completely |
| 01:41.44 | kallisti | time will tell. |
| 01:41.56 | kallisti | maybe I won't mind using command line very much for WLAN. |
| 01:42.43 | kd123 | What's the difference between isc-dhcp-server and dhcp3-server? |
| 01:44.07 | kd123 | Also what's in the '/var' directory? |
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| 01:44.23 | abrotman | kd123: read the descriptions |
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| 01:45.36 | terron | Is there an alternative driver for an ATI Radeon 2100 integrated graphics chip? I have xserver-xorg-video-radeon installed but Gnome 3 fails to boot, bringing me to failsafe mode. I also tried the proprietary driver but they gave me a 20.00 load average and never even got GDM3 running |
| 01:46.41 | kd123 | abrotman: I did, but I'm confused... I know dhcp3-server is a "transitional" package and isc-dhcp-server isn't... which one is the most current? |
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| 01:47.36 | abrotman | kd123: which one depends on which? |
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| 01:48.05 | kd123 | terron: did you try squeeze's fglrx package or did you download it from AMD? |
| 01:48.19 | abrotman | he wouldn't have squeeze if he's using gnome3 |
| 01:48.21 | terron | directly from amd, I'm running wheezy, by the way |
| 01:48.54 | kd123 | oh that's true abrotman... gnome 2 in squeeze |
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| 01:49.13 | kd123 | terron: which one Catalyst 12.1? |
| 01:49.25 | Indian | hello I tried ssh-agent and still cannot see ssh running |
| 01:49.49 | kd123 | abrotman: I'm not sure what you mean by "which one depends on which?" sorry |
| 01:49.52 | terron | yes kd123 |
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| 01:50.17 | abrotman | kd123: apt-cache show foo ? .. the transitional package depends on the other .. which means the new name going forward is the isc-dhcp-server package |
| 01:50.22 | abrotman | (for now anyway)O |
| 01:50.25 | kd123 | terron: I'd try the fglrx package from wheezy... and see if that makes a difference |
| 01:50.35 | robokop | kd123: a transitional package means that the package doesn't really exists, but it is a placeholder for the old one because packages might still depend on it, and people might still be used to installing it |
| 01:50.38 | abrotman | !tell terron about fglrx |
| 01:50.44 | kd123 | abrotman... ok I see |
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| 01:51.04 | Indian | any one please tell me how to setup sshd |
| 01:51.06 | terron | ah, didnt even realize there was one. didn't show up when searching for radeon |
| 01:51.18 | terron | Indian: openssh-server is pretty easy to set up |
| 01:51.20 | robokop | *exist anymore |
| 01:51.29 | kd123 | terron: it's in non-free |
| 01:51.37 | kd123 | terron: add non-free to your sources.list |
| 01:52.00 | Indian | kd123: but I did have ssh that came with debian |
| 01:52.10 | Indian | when I run ssh-agent |
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| 01:52.26 | Indian | it says started with some random pid and I cannot see in netstat |
| 01:52.29 | kd123 | thanks too robokop for the description of "transitional package" |
| 01:52.39 | terron | Indian: install openssh-server |
| 01:53.08 | kd123 | Indian: I'm not sure about ssh-agent... but terron knows |
| 01:53.27 | Indian | ok |
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| 01:54.19 | HighBomber | hey could someone help me with openssh |
| 01:54.25 | HighBomber | when i restart openssh i get this message |
| 01:54.32 | HighBomber | "The authenticity of host 'restart (184.168.43.1)' can't be established." |
| 01:56.00 | HighBomber | i have no association with that ip, and my machine is just a local NAS box with SSH access for just my account |
| 01:56.08 | HighBomber | so what could that message mean? |
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| 01:57.42 | abrotman | HighBomber: you just asked on OFTC |
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| 01:59.51 | mimoid | It doesn't hurt to throw questions to multiple resources |
| 01:59.59 | mimoid | HighBomber: You could try #openssh too |
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| 02:00.40 | kallisti | for wireless-mode in the interfaces file, what do I want? |
| 02:00.59 | HighBomber | i dont know what you mean by that, is there somewhere else i should ask? |
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| 02:01.46 | dvs | kallisti: the link that was posted earlier? |
| 02:02.06 | kallisti | yes it says |
| 02:02.08 | kallisti | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:04.35 | kallisti | dvs: ?? I can't find any docs on what the possible modes are. |
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| 02:05.13 | kallisti | ah, wait. I think it should be Managed |
| 02:05.27 | kd123 | kallisti: the modes are monitor and managed |
| 02:05.45 | kd123 | you probably want managed to connect to aps |
| 02:05.51 | kallisti | oh wait there's also Auto |
| 02:05.58 | kallisti | I'm guessing it's all the stuff that you can set with iwconfig |
| 02:06.11 | kd123 | Auto would probably be ok too |
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| 02:06.24 | kd123 | you can't connect to aps with monitor though |
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| 02:07.48 | kallisti | so I do: ifup wlan0=wlan-home |
| 02:07.59 | kallisti | and it hangs on DHCPDISCOVER |
| 02:08.53 | kallisti | wait let me make sure I've disabled all the wlan-related daemons |
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| 02:09.10 | unomystEz | when trying to install, I had to load my proprietary wlan driver, but it can't find any access point |
| 02:09.21 | unomystEz | is this normal? perhaps it didn't configure it correctly? |
| 02:09.36 | kallisti | heh, welcome to the club. :P |
| 02:09.39 | kallisti | try something like: |
| 02:09.47 | kallisti | lspci | grep -i network |
| 02:09.53 | kallisti | so that we can figure out what your network card is. |
| 02:10.14 | unomystEz | it's the iwlwifi-3945 |
| 02:10.31 | unomystEz | how can I get console access from the graphical installer? |
| 02:10.46 | tjf | has anyone here successfully synced their iOS5 device with Debian? |
| 02:11.09 | abrotman | kicks Apple in the jimmy |
| 02:11.28 | tjf | yeah, I know |
| 02:11.40 | tjf | when I got this one there were no Android media devices |
| 02:11.51 | kallisti | unomystEz: okay so then you did sudo apt-get install lwlwifi ? |
| 02:11.56 | dvs | unomystEz: unless your network is unencrypted or WEP, a wireless install won't work. |
| 02:12.07 | kallisti | oh installation |
| 02:12.09 | kd123 | unomystEz: I have a laptop with the same wifi card... I never had any luck trying to get the firmware to load during the graphical install |
| 02:12.10 | kallisti | yeah that won't work. |
| 02:12.19 | unomystEz | dangit. |
| 02:12.25 | kallisti | you need to do an install on ethernet and then install your wlan drivers. |
| 02:12.30 | unomystEz | i just isntalled linuxmint debian edition on it, prefer to have debian on it instead |
| 02:12.35 | unomystEz | but im stuck here |
| 02:12.48 | kallisti | when you get to the point where you need to install your wifi driver here's what you want to read: http://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi |
| 02:12.49 | dvs | !mint |
| 02:12.50 | dpkg | Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at http://forums.linuxmint.com/ or join #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org for support. Linux Mint is variously based on <Ubuntu> with a "Linux Mint Debian Edition" (LMDE) also available, based on <testing>. See also <based on debian>, <mintppc>. |
| 02:13.00 | unomystEz | dvs: thanks for the newsflash |
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| 02:13.16 | kd123 | unomystEz: I would just go through with the installation if you have the DVD... then download the iwlwifi package from debian and install via apt-get and finish installing additional packages you want |
| 02:13.42 | unomystEz | hmm, no dvd drive in it. ethernet isn't an option, only usb media |
| 02:13.43 | kd123 | unomystEz: if you don't have the DVD you won't get a GUI |
| 02:13.54 | unomystEz | i used the small ISO and used unetbootin |
| 02:14.17 | kd123 | unomystEz: Does the usb have a gui on it? |
| 02:14.21 | unomystEz | yes |
| 02:14.24 | abrotman | !tell unomystEz about usb install |
| 02:14.25 | unomystEz | it's the 190MB ISO |
| 02:14.39 | unomystEz | perhaps unetbootin can copy the dvd image over to the usb |
| 02:14.54 | kallisti | would the networking daemon interfere with manually configured interfaces? |
| 02:14.59 | kd123 | unomystEz... If it's only 190MB, I doubt it has a gui... its probably just a terminal |
| 02:15.11 | terron | kd123: I tried xserver-xorg-video-fglrx but gdm3 had the same issues, very high cpu usage and then it never even loaded |
| 02:15.25 | kd123 | unomystEz: yes I believe you can transfer the DVD over to USB |
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| 02:15.51 | unomystEz | hm, DVD isos are 4.4GB, I only have 4GB |
| 02:16.02 | unomystEz | can the CD do a full install at least? |
| 02:16.06 | dvs | 700MB image |
| 02:16.08 | kd123 | terron: did you install fglrx-control and fglrx-driver? |
| 02:16.29 | unomystEz | and the CD install doesn't need net? |
| 02:16.34 | terron | fglrx-driver installed, but fglrx-control didnt |
| 02:16.53 | kd123 | unomystEz: well you can install with the small iso |
| 02:17.14 | kallisti | wait could cause ifup to stall on DHCPDISCOVER? |
| 02:17.22 | kd123 | unomystEz: You'll only have a terminal... then get the iwlwifi package from online and transfer it over |
| 02:17.44 | kd123 | then dpkg -i the iwlwifi pacakge |
| 02:18.06 | unomystEz | prob also need deps too |
| 02:18.21 | kd123 | then you'll have to issue a terminal command to connect to your network |
| 02:18.30 | unomystEz | cripes |
| 02:18.32 | unomystEz | ok |
| 02:18.39 | kd123 | then just run 'apt-get install gnome' to install gnome |
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| 02:19.01 | kallisti | ...I think everyone has given up trying to help me. :P |
| 02:19.02 | unomystEz | s/gnome/xfce/ rather |
| 02:19.14 | kd123 | terron: install the fglrx-control and then when you're done run 'aticonfig --initial -f' |
| 02:19.44 | kd123 | kallisti: sorry I don't know what would cause that stall |
| 02:19.59 | kallisti | how does dhcp work? |
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| 02:20.05 | kd123 | terron: 'aticonfig --initial -f' will auto generate your xorg.conf file |
| 02:20.09 | kallisti | in linux, I mean. |
| 02:20.17 | kallisti | does it just find a daemon to talk to or what? |
| 02:20.23 | unomystEz | can apt-get retrieve the iwlwifi deb and deps? |
| 02:20.27 | kallisti | if I have dhcpcd running is that what's causing the problem? |
| 02:20.52 | abrotman | unomystEz: if you hve a wired connect |
| 02:20.54 | abrotman | connection |
| 02:20.59 | unomystEz | abrotman: yes, my desktop |
| 02:21.08 | abrotman | not really what i meant, but sure! |
| 02:21.12 | kd123 | unomystEz: Well you don't have anyway to connect to the internet to have apt-get pull the package... and iwlwifi is non-free and not on isos |
| 02:21.14 | kallisti | Not running dhcpcd because an older version is currently preferred ... failed! |
| 02:21.19 | kallisti | oh.. hmm, this might be something. |
| 02:21.53 | dvs | kallisti: Doesn't the dhcpcd daemon issue addresses, not acquire them? |
| 02:21.54 | kd123 | unomystEz: just search for the package on debian's website and download it |
| 02:22.05 | kallisti | dvs: I'm not the one to ask. :P |
| 02:22.10 | terron | kd123: aticonfig: No supported adapters detected |
| 02:22.15 | kd123 | unomystEz: transfer it to usb drive... install via dpkg on your laptop |
| 02:22.29 | kallisti | dvs: but wicd can use dhcpcd do I assume it has something to do with acquiring addresses. |
| 02:22.33 | kallisti | *so |
| 02:22.39 | kd123 | terron... hmm... what series card is it HD2xxx series>? |
| 02:23.00 | kallisti | Not running dhcpcd because /etc/network/interfaces ... failed! |
| 02:23.00 | kallisti | defines some interfaces that will use a DHCP client ... failed! |
| 02:23.01 | kallisti | ah okay. |
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| 02:24.22 | kallisti | I removed the newer version of dhcpcd and then switched to dhcpcd5, and that's the error message I get. so I guess dhcpcd isn't needed at all then... |
| 02:24.22 | kd123 | terron: I'm not sure what Catalyst version is in the fglrx wheezy package.... I know squeeze's fglrx Catalyst version is 10.9 and squeeze backport's fglrx Catalyst version is 11.4 |
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| 02:25.42 | kd123 | terron: wheezy's fglrx package contains Catalyst 12.1 |
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| 02:27.04 | kd123 | terron: if your card is part of the HD2xxx series, I bet Catalyst dropped support for it... I know I have a X1600XT card and Catalyst dropped support, so I have to use xorg-radeon drivers |
| 02:27.07 | kallisti | I'm so confused..... |
| 02:27.37 | terron | kd123: Can you run gnome3? That's really the only reason I want to upgrade these drivers |
| 02:28.16 | kd123 | terron: I haven't tried gnome3... I still use Gnome2 in Squeeze |
| 02:28.40 | kd123 | terron: are the xorg-radeon-drivers not working well with Gnome3? |
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| 02:29.17 | terron | they dont work at all, gnome falls back to failsafe mode |
| 02:29.27 | kd123 | terron: ugh.... |
| 02:30.05 | kd123 | why the heck would gnome3 fall back to failsafe mode w/ xorg drivers? |
| 02:31.13 | terron | no clue |
| 02:31.25 | kd123 | terron: that sounds like your xorg.conf file isn't generated properly... |
| 02:31.42 | terron | maybe, but it was a fresh install (about 90 minutes old) |
| 02:31.53 | kd123 | hmm... |
| 02:32.29 | kd123 | terron... well here's an idea, but I've never tried it and it might not work |
| 02:33.02 | kd123 | you could install a older Catalyst version that supports the HD2xxx card... you'd have to get it from archives on the AMD site and manually install it |
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| 02:39.59 | terron | kd123: this is what i'm seeing, by the way http://i42.tinypic.com/33vgpqd.png |
| 02:40.09 | terron | I'll check out one of the older versions though, just in case it works |
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| 02:44.13 | kd123 | Is Gnome 3 fallback mode for laptops that don't have direct rendering? |
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| 02:44.24 | kd123 | what the heck is gnome doing to v3? |
| 02:44.49 | terron | i dunno, it's not even a laptop. it's just a fileserver |
| 02:45.11 | kd123 | hmm |
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| 02:45.29 | abrotman | why does the fileserver have X anyway? |
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| 02:46.00 | kallisti | maybe something is wrong with my dhclient.conf? |
| 02:46.02 | kd123 | abrotman: have you heard of this Gnome 3 fallback mode? |
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| 02:46.54 | kd123 | kallisti: what exactly are you trying to setup? a dhcp server? |
| 02:47.08 | kallisti | no. |
| 02:47.15 | kd123 | oh :P |
| 02:47.18 | kallisti | I'm trying to set up my home wireless. of course. |
| 02:47.19 | abrotman | sure |
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| 02:47.32 | abrotman | still not sure what that has to do with the server having X |
| 02:47.53 | kd123 | abrotman: do you have to have direct rendering for Gnome 3? |
| 02:48.05 | terron | abrotman: it has gnome because i use it as a secondary desktop |
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| 02:48.40 | kd123 | kallisti: is your /etc/network/interfaces file setup? |
| 02:49.03 | kd123 | kallisti: did you do a manual install? |
| 02:49.21 | kallisti | manual install of.... debian? |
| 02:49.28 | kallisti | and yeah my interfaces is set up. |
| 02:49.33 | kallisti | the weird thing |
| 02:49.38 | kallisti | is that eth0 dhcp works fine, obviously |
| 02:49.41 | kallisti | since I'm talking to you right now. |
| 02:49.41 | kd123 | yeah with like debootstrap |
| 02:49.58 | kallisti | I did a regular netinstall... whatever that is. |
| 02:50.08 | kd123 | oh ok |
| 02:50.25 | kd123 | in /etc/network/interfaces does it have |
| 02:50.30 | kd123 | auto eth0 |
| 02:50.40 | kd123 | iface eth0 inet dhcp |
| 02:50.51 | abrotman | kd123: of course i do .. but i specifically buy Intel video |
| 02:51.11 | abrotman | has zero interest in goofing around with ati/nvidia drivers |
| 02:51.34 | kd123 | abrotman: lol it's not that bad :) |
| 02:51.46 | abrotman | kd123: apparently it is ... |
| 02:51.56 | kd123 | :) |
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| 02:52.08 | mimoid | fbdev forever |
| 02:52.21 | kallisti | not auto but it has allow-hotplug |
| 02:53.26 | kd123 | kallisti: I know to use dhcp you have to have both of those lines |
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| 02:53.42 | kd123 | 'auto eth0' and 'iface eth0 inet dhcp' |
| 02:53.56 | abrotman | or allow-hotplug instead of auto |
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| 02:55.23 | kallisti | what does eth0 have to do with dhcp not working on wlan0? |
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| 02:58.02 | kd123 | kallisti: substitute 'eth0' with 'wlan0' |
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| 03:00.51 | kallisti | what's the difference between auto and allow-hotplug here? |
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| 03:00.58 | kallisti | which sould I use for manual config of wlan interfaces? |
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| 03:01.49 | kd123 | kallisti: honestly I have no idea... hotplug to me seems like it would be for a wired card and not wireless |
| 03:01.59 | kd123 | I'd use auto |
| 03:02.01 | abrotman | kd123: it's for both |
| 03:02.13 | abrotman | allow-hotplug is more flexible |
| 03:02.13 | dvs | kallisti: you would edit the /etc/network/interfaces file. |
| 03:02.17 | kd123 | oh well... tells you what I know |
| 03:02.22 | kd123 | :) |
| 03:02.27 | kallisti | dvs: ...??? okay? |
| 03:02.30 | kallisti | that's what I'm doing. |
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| 03:02.46 | kd123 | abrotman: what's allow-hotplug do that auto doesn't? |
| 03:02.54 | kallisti | so once I changed the interfaces file |
| 03:02.55 | dvs | kallisti: what are you trying to manually configure? |
| 03:02.58 | kallisti | do I need to reload nything before I try ifup? |
| 03:03.04 | kallisti | dvs: home wireless. |
| 03:03.14 | kallisti | to see what's wrong with my wireless... |
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| 03:04.12 | abrotman | kd123: has a man page .. |
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| 03:04.52 | kallisti | Error for wireless request "Set Encode" (8B2A) : SET failed on device wlan0 ; Invalid argument. |
| 03:04.55 | kallisti | hm |
| 03:05.14 | kallisti | first thing in the ifup output |
| 03:05.21 | kallisti | before it stalls on DHCPDISCOVER |
| 03:05.42 | kd123 | abrotman: ok... man 'what'?.... man auto? |
| 03:05.51 | kallisti | man interfaces I believe |
| 03:05.59 | kallisti | it mentions auto at least. |
| 03:06.07 | kd123 | ok thanks kallisti and abrotman |
| 03:06.29 | kallisti | this is getting ridiculous |
| 03:06.36 | kallisti | it has to be something stupidly simple. |
| 03:07.09 | abrotman | has only been half following |
| 03:07.19 | kd123 | kallisti: that error means it doesn't know what encryption to use wep/wpa2 |
| 03:07.27 | kallisti | how do I tell it? |
| 03:07.30 | kd123 | or maybe the key |
| 03:07.37 | kallisti | I have the key specified |
| 03:07.40 | kallisti | wireless-key <key> |
| 03:07.50 | kd123 | lol.... I did this a long time ago, but I forget now |
| 03:08.01 | kallisti | the best the Debian wiki offers is "don't use WEP" |
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| 03:08.54 | kd123 | kallisti: look up "connecting to wifi via terminal"... they'll probably be a guide someone wrote... that's what I used when I did this |
| 03:08.59 | abrotman | kallisti: wireless-key and wireless-ssid IIRC |
| 03:09.12 | kallisti | yes I have that as well as wireless-mode Managed |
| 03:09.20 | kallisti | iface wlan0 inet dhcp |
| 03:09.25 | kallisti | just so we're extra certain. :P |
| 03:09.40 | kallisti | well actually it's wlan-home |
| 03:09.46 | kallisti | I run: ifup wlan0=wlan-home |
| 03:09.47 | abrotman | what does Managed do ? |
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| 03:10.05 | kallisti | it just means it's an access point basically. |
| 03:10.12 | dvs | abrotman: That means that an actually wireless hub is involved. |
| 03:10.25 | kallisti | it's what the iwlist says the mode for the access point is |
| 03:10.26 | kallisti | so that's what I use. |
| 03:10.32 | findme | where can i install asm/errno.h please |
| 03:10.35 | findme | make is failing |
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| 03:12.00 | kallisti | how do I /uninstall/ wl after using module-assistant |
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| 03:12.11 | kallisti | or just blacklist it I guess. |
| 03:12.23 | kallisti | I'm thinking this could still be a firmware issue of some kind |
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| 03:12.58 | dvs | kallisti: uninstall the broadcom-sta packages? |
| 03:13.17 | Diopter | findme: linux-libc-dev |
| 03:13.39 | findme | ln -s did it |
| 03:13.45 | findme | blommer, thanks |
| 03:13.48 | abrotman | dvs: as opposed to ? |
| 03:14.00 | dvs | blacklisting |
| 03:14.08 | abrotman | he'd have to actually use module-assistant ot uninstall the module |
| 03:14.12 | findme | abrotman, sir salute |
| 03:14.20 | kallisti | E: Unable to locate package broadcom-sta |
| 03:14.27 | findme | abrotman, you may not remember me |
| 03:14.46 | findme | but was on here 7 years back , you still here. What a great service to community. |
| 03:14.51 | kallisti | I don't see any uninstall options for m-a |
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| 03:15.31 | abrotman | findme: using the same nick ? |
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| 03:16.25 | kallisti | okay.. so ifdown eth0 didn't help... |
| 03:16.30 | kallisti | I'm quickly running out of ideas. lol |
| 03:16.58 | findme | abrotman, yes |
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| 03:17.23 | findme | abrotman, i think you started a little later than greycat |
| 03:17.30 | findme | i do remember you very well though |
| 03:17.40 | abrotman | findme: well, i've been around longer than 7 years :) |
| 03:17.45 | Diopter | kallisti: Why don't you try it manually? |
| 03:17.54 | findme | indeed hence the standing ovation |
| 03:17.56 | findme | thanks |
| 03:18.03 | abrotman | findme: and greycat still comes around from time to time |
| 03:18.55 | Diopter | kallisti: From the scrollback, looks like you're trying to use WEP? |
| 03:19.06 | findme | cool |
| 03:19.22 | kallisti | yes |
| 03:19.37 | abrotman | findme: i wish a few more folks from back then were still around |
| 03:19.47 | kallisti | Diopter: I thought that's what I was doing... |
| 03:19.55 | kallisti | (manually configuring my wireless) |
| 03:20.00 | kallisti | that's what I'm doing right now anyway |
| 03:20.06 | LtL | kallisti: try installing wireless-tools and scroll down on this page to WEP ; http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch05.en.html#_the_basic_syntax_of_etc_network_interfaces |
| 03:20.11 | Diopter | kallisti: I mean without using the networking scripts (interfaces file, ifup/ifdown) |
| 03:20.44 | kallisti | ...sounds scary. |
| 03:21.11 | kallisti | oh wait what am I doing I can reconfigure for WPA2 |
| 03:21.14 | Diopter | Hardly. Set essid and key with iwconfig |
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| 03:21.38 | LtL | kallisti: out of curiosity, why wep? |
| 03:21.41 | Diopter | Bring interface up, see if it gets a wireless link, run dhcp on it |
| 03:21.45 | findme | abrotman, indeed |
| 03:22.37 | kd123 | I'm setting up a DHCP server... I was looking at the option "time-offset"... why would I want the clients time to be different from the server time? |
| 03:23.30 | LtL | kd123: gmt offset? |
| 03:24.59 | Diopter | Serving DHCP to a client that's in a different timezone is probably only useful if your clients are VMs that might have users around the world |
| 03:25.18 | Diopter | Kind of hard to use a broadcast-based protocol across timezone boundaries ;P |
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| 03:26.07 | kd123_ | ok I'm back |
| 03:26.43 | kd123_ | so what is the DHCP server option "time-offset" for? why would I want the client's time to be different from the server's time? |
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| 03:27.09 | kallisti | okay I've got it configured to use WPA2 now... |
| 03:27.21 | kallisti | I forgot I had access to the router's settings. :P |
| 03:28.19 | kallisti | and.... now it works. |
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| 03:28.56 | LtL | kallisti: epic win :) |
| 03:29.07 | dvs | !beer kallisti |
| 03:29.08 | dpkg | deftly decants a fine Black Tuesday for kallisti |
| 03:29.17 | Diopter | kallisti: Fun fun |
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| 03:29.54 | xxtjaxx_ | Hi! How do I change the init system of my debian system? |
| 03:30.02 | abrotman | xxtjaxx_: from what to what? and why ? |
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| 03:30.36 | kallisti_ | okay so WPA works fine. |
| 03:30.41 | kallisti_ | I'd still like to know how to configure for WEP though |
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| 03:31.26 | LtL | kallisti: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch05.en.html#_the_basic_syntax_of_etc_network_interfaces ; SEARCH WEP, but why! |
| 03:31.36 | terron | kd123_: looks like the older versions of catalyst won't install on older versions of debian...looks like i'm screwed |
| 03:31.42 | xxtjaxx_ | abrotman: I'm playing around with a replacement init called QBM I'd like to see if it works |
| 03:32.47 | kallisti_ | LtL: because I may not always be in control of routers in proximity to my laptop. |
| 03:33.04 | kallisti_ | and not being able to connect to WEP encrypted routers becomes a huge problem in that situation. |
| 03:33.14 | dvs | so you're stealing!!! |
| 03:33.26 | kallisti_ | no.. I'm... going to a friend's house, for example. |
| 03:33.30 | kallisti_ | who has a WEP encrypted router. |
| 03:33.52 | LtL | kallisti_: but nobody uses WEP... do they? .. ah, well clue them! |
| 03:33.53 | dvs | and wants to be hacked in mere seconds. |
| 03:34.01 | Diopter | Mere seconds! |
| 03:34.37 | kallisti_ | this is like saying "do people still use IE5?" and the answer is "of course" |
| 03:34.58 | Diopter | Those aren't people. |
| 03:35.28 | LtL | kallisti_: adage: there's no cure for stupid! no offense intended [by proxy] |
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| 03:36.05 | kallisti_ | still WEP worked fine out of the box in Ubuntu. I wonder what the deal is Debian. |
| 03:36.43 | kallisti_ | and I don't think it was a result of poor configuration on my part, because it wasn't working with wicd or ns-applet either. |
| 03:37.29 | mimoid | all my neighbors have WEP |
| 03:37.33 | mimoid | I got like 10 ISPs |
| 03:37.35 | dvs | heh |
| 03:38.03 | kallisti_ | hm, so... |
| 03:38.08 | kallisti_ | I named my home wireless wlan-home |
| 03:38.16 | kallisti_ | is there a way I can say "automatically connect to this but only if it's available" |
| 03:38.19 | Diopter | mimoid: You need a cluster of WAPs to bridge together and load-balance across them |
| 03:38.44 | kallisti_ | or do I have to rename it wlan0 or something? |
| 03:38.52 | dvs | kallisti_: that's what wpa-roam is for. |
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| 03:39.40 | kd123_ | terron: yeah I'm not surprised.... I'd use Xfce or something instead of gnome3 or just use it in fallback mode |
| 03:39.53 | kallisti_ | maybe at this point I should just set up nm-applet as I was going to do previously. :P |
| 03:40.23 | technologov | anybody knows if wheezy final gets built on kernel 3.2 or 3.3 ? |
| 03:40.45 | dvs | kallisti_: then you have to rip out all the wlan0 bits out of /etc/network/interfaces |
| 03:40.51 | xxtjaxx_ | abrotman: any ideas? |
| 03:41.03 | abrotman | xxtjaxx_: let me look |
| 03:41.26 | abrotman | xxtjaxx_: honestly, yes, you can .. i'd do it in a VM first |
| 03:41.38 | kallisti_ | dvs: yes I know. |
| 03:41.43 | abrotman | xxtjaxx_: last time i tried an experimental init system, my system stopped booting |
| 03:42.00 | kallisti_ | luckily someone invented comments. (I wonder who actually invented comments) |
| 03:42.16 | xxtjaxx_ | abrotman: its running a vm already so yes thats a given :) Planned: replacement for sysv in a settop box maybe if wanted even for embed. |
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| 03:42.31 | kallisti_ | I doubt Babbage's Analytical Engine had comments. |
| 03:43.10 | xxtjaxx_ | abrotman: If you can be bothered to participate in anyway: https://github.com/andreas-marschke/QBM ;) |
| 03:43.40 | kallisti_ | humorously enough, WEP encrypted routers are actually more secure to my intrusion now |
| 03:43.45 | kallisti_ | because they don't work at all for me. |
| 03:44.22 | xxtjaxx_ | abrotman: the original source is about 9months old I revive it for my own needs and started debianifying it at the moment. The original source was made for a Mac apparently. |
| 03:44.45 | xxtjaxx_ | Does X in anyway load modules if it needs to? |
| 03:44.59 | abrotman | xxtjaxx_: nope .. i'd rather not mess with experimental init systems again :) |
| 03:45.20 | xxtjaxx_ | abrotman: okay :) |
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| 03:49.54 | Strav | Hi. Anyone here versed in raid5 maintenance? |
| 03:50.40 | EmperorArthur | Hi there, what kind of Raid5? |
| 03:51.15 | Strav | software raid5, 3 2 terabyte drives. |
| 03:52.06 | abrotman | just ask your real question |
| 03:52.11 | EmperorArthur | ahh, so you're using mdadm. What are you trying to do? |
| 03:53.30 | Strav | I'm simply looking for general advices on how to prevent data corruption and to ensure that everything can be rebuild should a drive fail. I scheduled a weekly reboot of my system along with a /forcefsck but I have doubts on this. fsck seems to complete a little to quick for the size of the array. |
| 03:54.03 | EmperorArthur | Backup, backup, backup. |
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| 03:54.21 | abrotman | Strav: data scrubbing? |
| 03:54.51 | EmperorArthur | My advice is to have either offline backups, or a seperate computer that you keep synced to your main one. |
| 03:55.06 | abrotman | EmperorArthur: that doesn't really answer his questin |
| 03:55.08 | EmperorArthur | Also, make sure that everything is running on a UPS. |
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| 03:56.47 | EmperorArthur | Short answer, fsck is fast. Raid5 handles a single disk failure already, the UPS handles power failures. There's not much more you can do. |
| 03:56.55 | Strav | abrotman: yep. I already set mdadm to warn, should anything go wrong, but this is the thing: the parity bit will only be effective as long as there's no corruption on the drives so I wish to at best ensure that. (btw, I don't have the actual means to backup my raid, the array itself was to provide some redundancy to my external music storage) |
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| 03:57.55 | abrotman | Strav: this is where the scrubbing comes in |
| 03:58.16 | Strav | abrotman: and this is where my question follows :) |
| 03:58.46 | abrotman | Strav: so google "mdadm raid5 scrub" .. see what comes up ? |
| 03:58.51 | Strav | how should I do that. most of my googling resulted in: setup the raid then fsck once in a while. |
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| 03:59.20 | Strav | abrotman: well perhaps it was the scrubbing part that was missing. Let me check. |
| 04:00.00 | Strav | Perfect. |
| 04:00.06 | Strav | http://mysysadminnotes.blogspot.com/2010/12/mdadm-raid5-data-scrubbing.html |
| 04:00.14 | Strav | straight to the point. thanks :) |
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| 04:03.24 | Xenguy | Folks, as some of you may be aware, I tried to dist-upgrade my system yesterday (lenny->squeeze) and now I'm somewhere in between with a bunch of dependency errors... |
| 04:03.57 | Xenguy | Someone suggested trying to revert to lenny (update and dist-upgrade), then try for squeeze again... |
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| 04:04.31 | Xenguy | Hypothetically, of course, is this idea completely insane, or might it actually be possible to do this? |
| 04:05.19 | Xenguy | Opinions? Insights? Random thoughts? |
| 04:05.32 | civillian | Xenguy: I'd be trying for squeeze still |
| 04:05.47 | civillian | Xenguy: do you have a backup of your machine prior to upgrade? |
| 04:05.56 | dvs | Xenguy: did you follow the release notes? |
| 04:06.32 | Xenguy | civillian: My data is backed up, but I am really trying to avoid a fresh install if I can |
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| 04:07.29 | Xenguy | dvs: I read the notes, and I used the lenny->squeeze factoid method for the upgrade (it worked fine on my laptop, the guinea-pig, and then didn't work so well on the box that really mattered ;-) |
| 04:07.42 | karlpinc | Xenguy: I'd say returning to lenny is insane, unless you restore a backup. |
| 04:07.51 | uadm | Can you guys help me out with this question: The ____ command shows you the entire path and file name for anything containing the text string you indicate. ... FIND, TOUCH, SLOCATE, DLOCATE |
| 04:08.05 | Xenguy | karlpinc: I appreciate your candor - tx |
| 04:08.09 | karlpinc | Xenguy: You might look at the full release notes, they've got places that you might have trouble and how to get out of it. |
| 04:08.18 | Xenguy | I'm a bit nervous about that idea myself |
| 04:08.28 | Xenguy | Reverting to lenny I mean |
| 04:08.50 | dvs | Xenguy: what isn't upgrading? |
| 04:08.54 | civillian | Xenguy: have you troubleshooted any Debian dependencies before? How broken is it? |
| 04:08.56 | karlpinc | Xenguy: You'll have to tell us what the problem is if you want help fixing it. |
| 04:09.08 | Xenguy | I'm assuming it is something to do with ddm or backports, but other than that I'm just not sure what is/went wrong |
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| 04:09.36 | karlpinc | Xenguy: dmm is sometimes ungood I hear. The full release notes say get rid of everything non-debian before starting. |
| 04:10.15 | Xenguy | dvs civillian karlpinc I'll find the latest pastebin of my errors |
| 04:10.26 | karlpinc | Xenguy: I also hear the way to avoid dmm is to recompile the source packages after re-enabling the stuff disabled for legal reasons. But that's another topic. |
| 04:10.40 | terron | hm |
| 04:11.19 | Xenguy | karlpinc: yeah, too bad the dmm stuff can't be integrated better into Debian, but I understand the general legal implications |
| 04:11.30 | karlpinc | Xenguy: If I were you I'd restore the backup, remove but not purge the dmm stuff and do-over. It just sounds simplest and most reliable. |
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| 04:12.19 | civillian | karlpinc: best done on a VM copy, then sync back once working |
| 04:12.21 | karlpinc | Xenguy: Then if you want re-install the dmm stuff after upgrade. (I'm going to try to avoid dmm, but that's an untested intention.) |
| 04:12.31 | Xenguy | karlpinc: not an option, as my critical data is backed up, but not the state before I began the upgrade |
| 04:12.34 | karlpinc | civillian: Sure. |
| 04:12.47 | karlpinc | Xenguy: Ah. You don't really have a backup. |
| 04:12.55 | karlpinc | Xenguy: Any databases involved? |
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| 04:13.03 | Strav | gotta go, cya all. |
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| 04:13.10 | Xenguy | karlpinc: no db's, and yeah, I didn't image the drive ;-) |
| 04:13.26 | karlpinc | Xenguy: Disk images are overrated. |
| 04:13.43 | Xenguy | I mean, if I have to I'll just do a fresh install etc., but I was hoping to avoid that of course :-) |
| 04:14.31 | karlpinc | Xenguy: Then you could go the other way. Install squeeze and then restore. The <aptitude clone> factoid should help getting your packages back, but not really because of the version differences. But you could try. |
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| 04:15.08 | karlpinc | Xenguy: It might be possible to remove the dmm packages now, or not. |
| 04:15.26 | karlpinc | Xenguy: Did you get to the part where you install a new kernel and udev and reboot? |
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| 04:17.29 | Xenguy | karlpinc: yeah, I did the update, the upgrade, the new kernel, the reboot, and it was only after I did the dist-upgrade that it crapped out with errors like these... |
| 04:17.36 | Xenguy | http://paste.debian.net/157736 |
| 04:18.16 | Xenguy | It's a pretty ugly sight honestly |
| 04:19.13 | Xenguy | I've tried uninstalling some of the dmm stuff, but still getting the bulk of the same errors |
| 04:19.22 | karlpinc | Xenguy: Doesn't mean much to me. No new ideas. |
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| 04:19.57 | karlpinc | Xenguy: You'd want to un-install all of it. And that might not help given that it's already affected what's been installed/chosen. (Right?) |
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| 04:20.07 | karlpinc | Xenguy: it = dmm |
| 04:21.05 | karlpinc | Xenguy: Perhaps because it's a single apt-get nothing's really borked and if you get rid of all the dmm, and anything else not offically supported, then it'll work. |
| 04:21.54 | karlpinc | Xenguy: You probably use "apt-cache policy" to see what's dmm, but that's a guess. |
| 04:22.00 | dvs | Xenguy: Do you still have lenny sources in the sources.list file? |
| 04:22.05 | Xenguy | karlpinc: You did ask what the problem was, so now you have a better idea -- but yeah, I'm more or less stumped now, and stumbling around in the dark trying to avoid a fresh re-install if I can ;-) |
| 04:22.17 | karlpinc | dvs: Good question. |
| 04:22.43 | Xenguy | dvs: There are no lenny sources in sources.list |
| 04:22.48 | karlpinc | Xenguy: Or dmm sources or anything else non-debian? |
| 04:23.12 | Xenguy | karlpinc: I left the dmm repos enabled on the advice of someone else here |
| 04:23.25 | Xenguy | Oh wait, let me check that last statement |
| 04:23.53 | karlpinc | Xenguy: That's uncharted territory for me. |
| 04:24.01 | Xenguy | Correction, I disabled the dmm repos on the advice of someone in the channel earlier |
| 04:24.12 | terron | are ubuntu drivers safe to install in debian? |
| 04:24.36 | terron | i'm able to build drivers for my video card into a ubuntu deb, but the build for a debian deb fails |
| 04:24.39 | Xenguy | karlpinc: But the initial dist-upgrade was done with dmm enabled IIRC |
| 04:25.04 | Xenguy | karlpinc: That was probably a bad idea on my part, in hindsight |
| 04:25.38 | Xenguy | karlpinc: Heh, this experience is uncharted territory for me too ;P |
| 04:26.38 | dvs | Xenguy: The regular update then the kernel/udev upgrade and then the dist-upgrade worked for me. |
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| 04:27.44 | Xenguy | dvs: Yeah, it worked for me fine too on my laptop (I used the laptop as a guinea-pig, or so I thought) -- it was only when I did the important upgrade that things went south (Murphy's law and all that) |
| 04:28.39 | civillian | Xenguy: did you have dmm sources configured on your laptop? |
| 04:28.41 | dvs | Xenguy: I think the "apt-cache policy <package_name>" idea might give an idea. |
| 04:29.26 | Xenguy | civillian: good question... I don't remember disabling them |
| 04:29.55 | Xenguy | dvs: Can you elaborate on this approach, or give an example? |
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| 04:30.17 | Xenguy | dvs: What's the general strategy? |
| 04:30.40 | dvs | Xenguy: to see which repo gets the priority |
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| 04:32.00 | Xenguy | dvs: Hrm, question then, if I do something like 'apt-get install -t squeeze PKG1 PKG2' etc., does that say to choose all the packages from the squeeze repo? |
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| 04:32.23 | dvs | yes |
| 04:32.46 | dvs | but it would be better to see which gets the priority by default |
| 04:32.51 | dvs | right now |
| 04:33.20 | Xenguy | dvs: How does that help me then (I'm trying to understand the advantage) ? |
| 04:33.28 | civillian | Xenguy: I would start by trying to upgrade something non-core. If you can install libavcodec52 that will help. Then see if gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg still complains when apt-get -f install is run |
| 04:34.11 | dvs | Xenguy: by the output that you pasted, the system is somehow favoring the lenny packages. |
| 04:34.13 | Xenguy | civillian: OK, I'm making a note of that |
| 04:34.32 | Xenguy | dvs: Ahh, OK, yes, interesting |
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| 04:35.38 | civillian | Xenguy: dpkg has a --force option, use with care. Aptitude may also have a 'solution' to these problems, but examine it's proposals carefully before accepting one |
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| 04:36.10 | Rusty1 | Xenguy: apt-get with -s simulates what will happen, and aptitude might be better |
| 04:36.21 | Xenguy | civillian: aptitude is not currently installed on my system, and apparently won't be until apt is properly upgraded (IIUC) |
| 04:36.34 | Xenguy | Rusty1: hi -- ^^^^ |
| 04:37.16 | dvs | apt-get is the preferred way to upgrade to squeeze |
| 04:37.17 | Xenguy | apt is apparently in conflict with python-apt, which is weird |
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| 04:37.51 | Xenguy | dvs: apt-get is what I use, and aptitude is not currently installed on my system |
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| 04:39.07 | Xenguy | Anyhow, thanks for your ideas folks... I'll keep messing around, and I guess if I have to do a fresh install, that's the worst that can happen here |
| 04:39.08 | kd123_ | where is the dhcpdcheck syslog file? |
| 04:39.16 | civillian | Xenguy: what is the result of apt-cache policy libgtk2.0-0 |
| 04:39.24 | dvs | yeah |
| 04:39.30 | Xenguy | civillian: I'll check |
| 04:39.50 | kd123_ | I can't start/stop my DHCP server |
| 04:40.40 | civillian | kd123_: that's a shame. |
| 04:41.12 | Xenguy | civillian: http://paste.debian.net/157737 |
| 04:41.18 | kd123_ | civillian: I know lol... do you know where the dhcpdcheck syslog is? |
| 04:41.24 | Xenguy | civillian: That's a backport, yes? |
| 04:41.30 | Xenguy | brb |
| 04:41.37 | civillian | kd123_: isc-dhcpd logs to syslog by default |
| 04:42.07 | civillian | Xenguy: currently installed is a backport yes |
| 04:42.16 | kd123_ | by default in my /etc/dhcp/dhcpd.conf file I have it set to log to 'log-facility local7'... what does that mean? |
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| 04:42.56 | civillian | Xenguy: do you have a .deb file of libgtk2.0-0 in /var/cache/apt/archives? |
| 04:45.46 | Xenguy | civillian: back |
| 04:46.14 | civillian | kd123_: It's a tag that is set by dhcpd prior to sending to syslog. |
| 04:46.23 | Xenguy | civillian: Doubtful, as I think I did apt-get clean at certain point(s), but I'll check to make sure |
| 04:46.25 | kd123_ | Ok my syslog says my DHCP server isn't configured to listen on any interfaces... I'd like to have it listen on eth0 and eth1 |
| 04:47.03 | Xenguy | civillian: confirmed, no dice |
| 04:47.19 | civillian | kd123_: most user guides that are relevant to Debian will inform you that it's not bound to any interfaces by default |
| 04:47.36 | kd123_ | civillian: ok.... I see so different tags send it different places |
| 04:48.42 | kd123_ | civillian: I'm looking at a PXE boot guide... and their setup of DHCPd... they don't bind it to anything... Do I have to bind DHCPd to certain interfaces? |
| 04:48.59 | civillian | kd123_: yes |
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| 04:49.59 | kd123_ | civillian: ok... let me see what I can find on binding DHCPd... thanks for the help |
| 04:50.12 | civillian | kd123_: you're welcome |
| 04:50.28 | Xenguy | civillian: So what are you thinking about that package? |
| 04:50.49 | civillian | Xenguy: get a copy off a mirror and force install it |
| 04:51.22 | civillian | Xenguy: then check back with apt-get -f install, see if the gnome-keyring error still comes up |
| 04:51.40 | Xenguy | civillian: Like apt-get -f install libgtk2.0-0 ? |
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| 04:51.52 | Xenguy | civillian: or with dpkg ? |
| 04:52.06 | civillian | Xenguy: more like dpkg --force -i libgtk2.0-0blah.deb, then apt-get -f install |
| 04:52.56 | Xenguy | civillian: So the general logic is that it is a backport, and so is causing problems ? |
| 04:53.09 | civillian | Xenguy: don't be afraid if more errors come up than before, sometimes fixing things like this requires breaking them more first |
| 04:53.26 | Xenguy | weeeeeeeeee |
| 04:53.33 | civillian | Xenguy: That's my assumption, something in backports is causing issues |
| 04:53.39 | civillian | just a hunch though |
| 04:53.49 | Xenguy | civillian: OK, WTH, I'll give it a shot |
| 04:54.12 | Xenguy | civillian: Tx, I need out of the box ideas at this point :-) |
| 04:54.33 | civillian | Xenguy: no probs, good luck. Fixing dependencies is character building. |
| 04:54.58 | Xenguy | civillian: You got that right. I've done it before, but nothing on this scale |
| 04:55.07 | civillian | Xenguy: :) |
| 04:56.08 | ParkerR | Fun with mplayer and pixelize http://i.imgur.com/iNDf3.png |
| 04:56.45 | kd123_ | civillian: You know I did this dhcp server thing a while back (I forget exactly how I did it)... But I remember having a subnet block and a host block in my dhcpd.conf file... but I don't remember binding it to any interface |
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| 04:56.55 | mimoid | ParkerR: I recall that porn |
| 04:57.28 | ParkerR | mimoid, Haha |
| 04:57.48 | civillian | kd123_: Years ago I think the binding was defined in dhcpd.conf, perhaps it was up the top and you never noticed it? |
| 04:57.57 | kd123_ | I guess you can bind it though or let it be "dynamic" though right" |
| 04:58.18 | kd123_ | ? |
| 04:58.40 | kd123_ | civillian: I'm pretty darn new at this PXE/tftp/dhcp thing :) |
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| 04:59.27 | civillian | kd123_: not AFAIK, dhcp is different like that. It's so you don't start handing out addresses on interfaces that you dont want it to. |
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| 05:01.14 | kd123_ | civillian: ah ok I see |
| 05:01.56 | ParkerR | kd123_, Do you have an iDevice? |
| 05:02.49 | kd123_ | ParkerR: iDevice? |
| 05:03.03 | ParkerR | kd123_, Apple product. iPhone/iPod Touch |
| 05:03.09 | kd123_ | internet device? or IPad? |
| 05:03.18 | ParkerR | Or iPad |
| 05:03.20 | kd123_ | ah... no I don't |
| 05:03.26 | ParkerR | Ahh ok |
| 05:03.31 | kd123_ | why do you ask? |
| 05:03.48 | ParkerR | kd123_, There's a little tftp booter app in the appstore |
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| 05:04.35 | ParkerR | Basically acts like a remote machine with some images on it that can be booted |
| 05:04.45 | ParkerR | Over the network |
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| 05:05.55 | kd123_ | ParkerR: oh ok... that'd be easy if I had an apple product |
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| 05:07.09 | kd123_ | So according to a guide... to bind dhcp... I have to add 'Interfaces="eth0"' to a file '/etc/default/dhcp3-server' |
| 05:07.31 | kd123_ | but I don't have '/etc/default/dhcp3-server' file... |
| 05:07.46 | civillian | kd123_: substituting eth0 for whatever interface you want to hand out addresses from. |
| 05:08.12 | kd123_ | but since dhcp3-server pkg is transitional should I create a file called '/etc/default/isc-dhcp-server' ?? |
| 05:09.07 | kd123_ | civillian: ok... If I want it to listen on two interfaces do I put 'Interfaces="eth0","eth1"' or do I put 'Interfaces="eth0,eth1"' ? |
| 05:09.38 | civillian | kd123_: spaces, eg "eth0 eth1" |
| 05:09.54 | Rusty1 | suggests a look at dnsmasq for kd123_ sometime |
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| 05:11.33 | kd123_ | Rusty1: ok thanks for the tip |
| 05:12.55 | kd123_ | civillian: ok... spaces I got that... so now should I use '/etc/defaults/dhcp3-server' not '/etc/defaults/isc-dhcp-server'.... even though to start my dhcp server I issue the command '/etc/init.d/isc-dhcp-server start"? |
| 05:13.30 | civillian | kd123_: I'm not sure, try both |
| 05:13.49 | kd123_ | I'm just thinking the isc-dhcp-server script won't look at '/etc/default/dhcp3-server' because isn't it depreciated? |
| 05:13.53 | kd123_ | civillian: ok :) |
| 05:13.58 | kd123_ | thanks again |
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| 05:14.28 | civillian | kd123_: no probs, good luck |
| 05:14.45 | kd123_ | thanks |
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| 05:15.27 | blackshirt | hello |
| 05:16.35 | kd123_ | ok so '/etc/default/dhcp3-server' didn't work... trying the other |
| 05:16.38 | kd123_ | hi blackshirt |
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| 05:18.28 | kd123_ | ah ok... Well I need to pay better attention.... isc-dhcp-server was already created in the /etc/defaults directory... |
| 05:18.39 | kd123_ | so that's obviously the one to use |
| 05:18.41 | kd123_ | trying that now |
| 05:19.16 | kd123_ | arg... ok still failed starting isc dhcp server |
| 05:19.20 | kd123_ | hmm back to syslog |
| 05:19.27 | blackshirt | how to change or replace pattern string text on files with sed ? |
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| 05:20.22 | kd123_ | hmmm not its saying "No subnet declaration for eth0/eth1" hmm |
| 05:20.37 | kd123_ | blackshirt: what do you mean? |
| 05:21.09 | cardamon_ | blackshirt: man sed or go read up on regular expressions. That's basic functionality of sed, or rather, regular expressions. |
| 05:21.22 | cardamon_ | Also sometimes called regex |
| 05:21.28 | Xenguy | blackshirt: put our desired changes in a file, one per line e.g. s/foo/bar/g |
| 05:22.10 | blackshirt | kd123_: i want to use sed (stream editor) to replace text string with some pattern occurences with some other text ? |
| 05:22.18 | civillian | blackshirt: sed -ie 's/needle/poodle/g' haystack.txt |
| 05:22.21 | Xenguy | blackshirt: then do something like: sed -f thefile files-to-be-changed |
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| 05:22.43 | Xenguy | blackshirt: going by memory there, so double-check that usage yourself |
| 05:23.06 | cardamon_ | Keep in mind, the g makes it global. |
| 05:23.07 | blackshirt | Xenguy: i have no experienced with linux before |
| 05:23.46 | Xenguy | blackshirt: sed works on windoze too it turns out |
| 05:23.50 | cardamon_ | blackshirt: It's not a linux thing as much as an application of regular languages and automata or finite state machines. |
| 05:24.16 | cardamon_ | sed itself is merely a tool that can apply them, and you'll find out a lot of other tools can too. |
| 05:24.21 | nutron|h | what do I do to trigger an event to mount a device already connected to /media/labelname |
| 05:24.38 | nutron|h | other than unplugging and replugging the usb cord? |
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| 05:25.03 | blackshirt | cardamon, Xenguy: okey, if on files we have entries like this (i, 111, 2, 'Acik', 'ID', 0, 1), with i was number from 0 until 1000, how we do that with sed ? |
| 05:25.05 | cardamon_ | They're particularly nice in scripts. perl programmers love regexes. |
| 05:25.15 | Xenguy | blackshirt: I seem to recall, for example, a search-and-replace tool called BKReplacem - a great tool for windoze |
| 05:25.30 | blackshirt | Xenguy: i do this on linux |
| 05:27.26 | Xenguy | blackshirt: I don't understand your requirements as you state them |
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| 05:28.04 | Xenguy | And it sounds a lot like a class assignment, am I wrong? |
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| 05:28.39 | Hiryu | on amd64, if I want to use apt-get source to build packages, how can I build 32-bit versions of the packages? |
| 05:29.10 | civillian | Hiryu: google cross compiling |
| 05:29.28 | blackshirt | Xenguy: look at http://paste.debian.net/157739/ |
| 05:29.37 | cardamon_ | blackshirt: cat the file, pipe it to sed, and make the first term a regex like [0-1000] to match...but the trouble with global you'd hit every number between 0 and 1000, so you ma want to restrict it somehow. Which means you should learn about regexes. |
| 05:30.10 | blackshirt | Xenguy: i want replace 123 until 643 to some text, is it possible with sed ? |
| 05:30.21 | cardamon_ | http://www.regular-expressions.info/ blackshirt, read this page. Play with it. Maybe buy a book. |
| 05:31.04 | cardamon_ | blackshirt: ALL sed does is take an input and make the changes you give to it. It understands regexes, which makes it the best way to handle those changes. |
| 05:31.39 | in2tactics | does anyone have any experience positive/negative with using cyberpower UPSes with debian? |
| 05:31.59 | Xenguy | is far too tired for this, and is officially going to bed ;P |
| 05:32.04 | Shadur | ... Gah. Somehow overnight my system clock jumped ahead half an hour and chrony absolutely refuses to resynchronize. What do I need to do if I don't want to wait for the "gradual skew" to fix this? |
| 05:32.16 | Xenguy | Have fun Rastas |
| 05:32.50 | blackshirt | cardamon_: like this $cat somefile.txt | sed 's/(*, 111/sometext/g' ?? |
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| 05:34.34 | cardamon_ | It can do this to any stream and send it to any stream. Like a file, or to a console. Really though, that this point I'm done "helping." I can tell you, to do what you're talking about, you'll need a regex that uses and anchor along with at least two groupings, then a backreference to those groupings in your replacement string. |
| 05:34.45 | NoOova | how to rename directory on ftp with mc? |
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| 05:35.20 | NoOova | F6 |
| 05:35.39 | cardamon_ | blackshirt: Because what you're doing sounds an awful lot like what I had to do a few semesters ago. |
| 05:36.33 | blackshirt | cardamon_ : oke thanks guys |
| 05:37.26 | civillian | cardamon_: he didn't deny it... :) |
| 05:41.15 | Hiryu | civillian: thanks, I think that got me started, though cross compiling isn't precisely used in this case |
| 05:41.44 | NoOova | 0 4 * * * /opt/console_manager/do_backup.sh |
| 05:41.50 | NoOova | is i correct crontab record? |
| 05:41.55 | NoOova | it* |
| 05:42.02 | NoOova | at 04:00 every day |
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| 05:44.35 | ruslan_osmanov | hi. where is nm-applet? Can't find the package |
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| 05:46.14 | kallisti_ | what does Ubuntu use to automatically detect removable storage devices and mount them? |
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| 05:53.55 | Blue1 | I need a good pci sata controller card (NOT PCI-E) -- that works with LInux. Do NOT need raid. Suggestions? |
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| 05:57.04 | civillian | Blue1: good? Or cheap? |
| 05:57.47 | somiaj | !tell karlpinc about automount |
| 05:58.04 | Blue1 | civillian: about $40 range |
| 05:59.09 | Blue1 | civillian: can get this locally: http://www.shopsws.com/best-connectivity-4-port-sata2-pci-raid-2xint-2xesata.html but I don't know how good it is |
| 06:00.19 | civillian | Blue1: find out what chipset it uses and compare with available chipset info |
| 06:00.29 | civillian | Blue1: I'd say all but a few will work |
| 06:00.43 | Blue1 | civillian: is this worth a try? |
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| 06:01.11 | Blue1 | civillian: i can't use pci-e because I only have 1 slot, and that's used by graphics card. |
| 06:01.26 | civillian | Blue1: definitly worth a try |
| 06:01.37 | civillian | Blue1: you can take it back if it's not compatible, yeah? |
| 06:02.15 | somethinginteres | I'm looking for a good video introduction to GNOME3 particularly how to use it effectively and efficiently. Recommendations? |
| 06:02.16 | Blue1 | civillian: it has SIL3124 Chipset |
| 06:02.23 | Blue1 | civillian: yes |
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| 06:03.28 | Blue1 | i don't know much about these....the sata ports on the mobo are toast. |
| 06:03.44 | civillian | Blue1: google that chipset and add the word linux |
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| 06:05.55 | Blue1 | civillian: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-kernel-70/what-linux-kernel-version-supports-sii3124-sata-controller-744570/ looks like my ubuntu 10.10 should work |
| 06:06.36 | Blue1 | civillian: thanks - I will give this a shot. I feel a bit better now. |
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| 06:26.31 | ruslan_osmanov | hi again. How do I mound a usb modem, that is /de/ttyUSB0 now, as a mass storage device to some folder like /mnt? |
| 06:26.31 | ruslan_osmanov | * mount |
| 06:27.11 | in2tactics | ruslan_osmanov: you do not mount modems |
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| 06:27.54 | ruslan_osmanov | in2tactics, it works as a modem, but I know there is some software in it's memory |
| 06:28.16 | ruslan_osmanov | and I just want access it . For this I need it be recognized as a mass storage devide |
| 06:28.19 | ruslan_osmanov | device |
| 06:29.12 | in2tactics | ruslan_osmanov: if it has some sort of storage memory in the device it should show up under something like /dev/sdX |
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| 06:29.41 | in2tactics | ruslan_osmanov: I would mount such a device as mount -t auto /dev/sdX /mnt/usb0 or something like that under debian |
| 06:30.32 | ruslan_osmanov | in2tactics, I have /dev/sd[ab]* only. These are the two hard drives |
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| 06:31.45 | ruslan_osmanov | in2tactics, it's a usb_modeswitch stuff http://www.draisberghof.de/usb_modeswitch/ |
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| 06:34.23 | simonlnu | so use usbmodeswitch to switch it then mount it |
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| 06:34.45 | in2tactics | ^^ |
| 06:34.46 | ruslan_osmanov | it seems I have to learn how to do it ) |
| 06:34.46 | simonlnu | nonetheless it'll show up in /dev/sd* |
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| 06:35.20 | simonlnu | just hope it isn't /dev/ub* because that's very slow |
| 06:35.46 | simonlnu | ruslan_osmanov: it's already packaged, just need to install it |
| 06:36.06 | simonlnu | ,names *modeswitch |
| 06:36.08 | judd | Search for *modeswitch in squeeze/i386: usb-modeswitch 1.1.4-2 |
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| 06:36.16 | simonlnu | ,i usb-modeswitch |
| 06:36.17 | judd | Package usb-modeswitch (comm, extra) in squeeze/i386: mode switching tool for controlling "flip flop" USB devices. Version: 1.1.4-2; Size: 47.0k; Installed: 172k; Homepage: http://www.draisberghof.de/usb_modeswitch/ |
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| 06:37.51 | ruslan_osmanov | simonlnu, I have it installed, and it already switched to modem mode ( /dev/ttyUSB0 ) and working... My goal is to switch it back to mass storage temporarily |
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| 06:38.19 | simonlnu | so do it ;) |
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| 06:59.42 | szera | Hi all! What is the name of the tool that lets you connect to a host:port and have a text session with that other instance of the program? I can't remember its name for the life of me |
| 06:59.56 | szera | I just want to be able to send text back and forth between the server and client of that program... |
| 07:01.07 | Blue1 | szera: ssh? |
| 07:01.50 | szera | no, I wasn't thinking SSH |
| 07:01.54 | szera | though I suppose that would do |
| 07:02.00 | szera | it was some thing that I remember was really simple |
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| 07:02.18 | Blue1 | ssh hostname |
| 07:02.22 | Blue1 | how simple is that? |
| 07:02.32 | szera | does nmap do what I described? |
| 07:02.52 | szera | well, it wasn't encrypted at all, iirc. just a little utility |
| 07:03.06 | Blue1 | szera: if you want to send files - scp |
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| 07:03.12 | szera | but yes, I suppose that ssh will work if I can't figure out the program I am thinking of |
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| 07:03.20 | szera | Just need ot send text |
| 07:03.25 | szera | between a bunch of computers |
| 07:03.29 | Blue1 | szera: scp will work |
| 07:03.33 | szera | cool |
| 07:03.37 | szera | ima go look into it, Thanks |
| 07:03.53 | Blue1 | welcome |
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| 07:14.56 | NoOova | when should be performed the cron job if I have the cron task exact time in minutes? |
| 07:15.17 | neersighted | O-o |
| 07:15.27 | NoOova | 11 10 * * * /opt/console_manager/do_backup.sh |
| 07:15.27 | neersighted | Explain more, please? |
| 07:15.31 | NoOova | << this is not works |
| 07:15.42 | neersighted | 11 10 * * * * |
| 07:15.46 | NoOova | but * * * * * /opt/console_manager/do_backup.sh works fine every minute |
| 07:15.56 | neersighted | it's six feilds, if i do remember right |
| 07:15.59 | neersighted | *fields |
| 07:16.08 | neersighted | but hmmm |
| 07:16.18 | NoOova | 5 fields for datetime and 1 field for command |
| 07:16.21 | neersighted | What time do you want it to run at? |
| 07:16.22 | NoOova | yes, 6 |
| 07:16.31 | NoOova | 10:11 |
| 07:16.34 | NoOova | am |
| 07:16.41 | neersighted | ooh, thats not the right way |
| 07:16.48 | neersighted | I think |
| 07:16.54 | NoOova | what is right way? |
| 07:16.56 | neersighted | is really tired |
| 07:17.05 | neersighted | Umm, there is a online cron maker you can use |
| 07:17.08 | neersighted | Google it? |
| 07:17.34 | timo | hm, seems the right way to me. I have an entry "45 05 * * * /usr/local/bin/kindled >/dev/null 2>&1" which runs at 5:45 am |
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| 07:18.45 | NoOova | 10 20 * * * /opt/console_manager/do_backup.sh |
| 07:18.55 | NoOova | it is for 20:10 |
| 07:19.04 | NoOova | as http://cron.nmonitoring.com/cron-generator.html?minutes%5B%5D=10&hours%5B%5D=20&cmd=%2Fopt%2Fconsole_manager%2Fdo_backup.sh&pingsub=1 says |
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| 07:20.29 | timo | yes, that's correct |
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| 07:40.16 | aetoxx | Which program can test a LAN connection between two Debian machines on latency, package loss, maximum speed, and so forth? |
| 07:41.11 | simonlnu | *packet* loss maybe? um, ping? :) :P |
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| 07:41.57 | NoOova | aetoxx: you mean some as NetWRT? |
| 07:42.23 | aetoxx | NoOova, I am not familiar with NetWRT. |
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| 07:48.49 | nutron|h | !udev |
| 07:48.49 | dpkg | udev is a /dev and hotplug management daemon, Linux 2.6's userspace equivalent of <DevFS>. Dependent upon a Linux kernel >= 2.6.15 (>= 2.6.27 for Squeeze). Ask me about <udev mac>, <udev squeeze>, <udev rules>, <udev details>, <.dev>, <dpin>, <blacklist.conf>. http://wiki.debian.org/udev http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/kernel/hotplug/udev.html #udev on irc.freenode.net. |
| 07:48.57 | NoOova | hmmm |
| 07:49.04 | NoOova | 37 * * * * /opt/console_manager/do_backup.sh is works! |
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| 07:49.16 | NoOova | but if i check hour, nothing happens |
| 07:50.47 | CruX| | NoOova: is that script realy executed ? |
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| 07:51.18 | CruX| | you can put date > /tmp/blabla on the top of this script and you can see if its executed |
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| 07:52.57 | aetoxx | How can I do traffic shaping via some GUI? |
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| 07:54.18 | streuner_ | some apps support that feature, if not, you have to go other ways |
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| 07:55.28 | aetoxx | streuner_, is that supposed to be an answer? |
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| 07:57.53 | nutron|h | ok... let me ask the simple question then... what package/binary/program mounts a device under the /media mount point upon detection? |
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| 07:58.44 | NoOova | CruX|: with 37 * * * * /opt/console_manager/do_backup.sh script executes really |
| 07:59.12 | NoOova | do_backup has 1 line: echo `date` > /tmp/test123.cron |
| 07:59.27 | NoOova | but when i select hour nothing happens |
| 07:59.35 | f0rtex | hi, has anybody encountered a problem with S-right (time stamps) in orgmode? It suddenly stopped working. |
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| 08:02.12 | streuner_ | aetoxx: /msg dpkg lartc |
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| 08:03.19 | cyberbob | is it possible to fireup an email to someone@someone.com using mailx with out configuring some smtp server like gmail etc |
| 08:03.50 | aetoxx | streuner_, why do I have to know about all kinds of syntax when all I want to do is some traffic shaping? I just want to say 'traffic of protocol X needs to be above everything else, traffic to machines X, Y, Z needs to be above everything else and protocol Z is really not important." |
| 08:03.57 | somiaj | cyberbob: you have to have an smtp server to send email, be it a remote one or one you run on your server |
| 08:04.21 | aetoxx | streuner_, I don't see why I need to interact with even a platform specific interface to do those things. |
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| 08:04.34 | aetoxx | streuner_, that just seems a mistake in abstraction. |
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| 08:05.07 | aetoxx | streuner_, also, wondershaper is a wonderfully bad program. |
| 08:05.15 | streuner_ | hehe |
| 08:05.32 | aetoxx | streuner_, you know that it also shapes traffic on the LAN? |
| 08:05.52 | aetoxx | streuner_, (which is not the smartest thing in the world.) |
| 08:06.03 | cyberbob | when mailx is installed it asks for some config like local_only/internet etc. . if i select local than local smtp let us say postfix is configured can i send emails to outer world using that ? |
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| 08:06.14 | aetoxx | Please never mention wondershaper even again nor reference it anywhere. |
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| 08:06.21 | aetoxx | ever |
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| 08:07.31 | somiaj | cyberbob: if you have postfix (exim or any other MTA) set up you can send emails out from your server |
| 08:08.07 | somiaj | cyberbob: note that some isp's block the SMTP port and force you to use either their SMTP or some other remote one (as opposed to your own) |
| 08:08.20 | aetoxx | streuner_, do you also have traffic shaping configured on your machine in that way? |
| 08:08.39 | streuner_ | no, i've never used traffic shaping at all :-) |
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| 08:09.04 | metaspike | im studying java, im going to -try- and get debian involved and show it to my classmates, any thoughts? |
| 08:09.18 | aetoxx | streuner_, I can't tell whether you are joking are not. Are you? |
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| 08:09.36 | streuner_ | aetoxx: no, iam serious. |
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| 08:09.55 | aetoxx | streuner_, otherwise it is like pointing at a cliff and saying 'jump, but I never tried it myself whether the ground feels soft on landing'. |
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| 08:10.31 | metaspike | sarcasms transgression through text is a taxing one, to be sure. |
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| 08:11.14 | aetoxx | metaspike, you can better use Solaris for that. |
| 08:11.37 | aetoxx | metaspike, installing newer implementations of Java on Debian is a pain. |
| 08:11.55 | cyberbob | actually I am using amazon services for that purpose and they have opened all ports to outer world, i just installed mailx and able to send an email to outerworld any id , |
| 08:11.58 | streuner_ | true, that's not Debian's fault :-) |
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| 08:12.25 | aetoxx | I didn't say it was. |
| 08:12.29 | cyberbob | we are already using centralized monitoring but we had a plan to use host self monitoring script for future use .. . |
| 08:12.34 | streuner_ | no, my 2 Cent ;-) |
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| 08:13.13 | aetoxx | For that reason alone I would say that it would be unwise to build anything on Java which requires Oracle specific technology. |
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| 08:13.38 | somiaj | cyberbob: telnet localhost 25 |
| 08:13.52 | aetoxx | Java is a mediocre programming language and only the platform itself provides some advantages (small ones at it). |
| 08:14.32 | cyberbob | somiaj: actually i need to use some sort of id masking so that when a host triggers some email than it should appear to the admin as self_monitoring@some-domain.com rather than using ec2-user@domU-xx-xx-xx-xx-xx-xx.compute-1.internal |
| 08:14.35 | metaspike | hmm, true. it would be easier to use solaris, my tutor is pointing to fedora for some weird reason, but im a diehard debian dude and managed to get both oracles propitiatory compiler and openjdk's as well. should be a fun year. |
| 08:15.03 | somiaj | cyberbob: well configure your mail server correctly. If your using postfix look up the postfix docs |
| 08:16.32 | ksz | do I need to do something to create my sudoers file? |
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| 08:17.40 | metaspike | kez, i don't think so? install sudo and it should be there with the basic template? |
| 08:18.01 | cyberbob | sendmail in my case, somiaj actually there are dozens of hosts so configuring sendmail for each host will be more than a pain. like most of MUA's provide facility for id masking for example my id is aa@aa.com and i am sending email using bb@bb.com . . can i do the same in mailx as well ? |
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| 08:19.50 | koskoz | metaspike: oh yeah, I think I forgot to install sudo ^^ |
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| 08:20.06 | metaspike | :) ah |
| 08:21.07 | somiaj | koskoz: make sure you add your user to the sudo group then and logout/login if you don't want to make a custom sudoers file |
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| 08:24.54 | metaspike | i cant sudo graphical (X Windows) apps, i could just use sux instead but this- this is a puzzling circumstance (abeit minor) |
| 08:25.21 | somiaj | metaspike: yes you can, 'sudo app' from a xterm should work just fine |
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| 08:25.50 | somiaj | metaspike: or get something like gksu or or kdesudo |
| 08:25.56 | DelTree | somiaj: $DISPLAY won't go through sudo... |
| 08:26.05 | somiaj | DelTree: it does here just fine |
| 08:26.23 | DelTree | strange enough... |
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| 08:26.29 | somiaj | though the app loads defaults from /root as opposed to $HOME if you nave a configuration file (such as gvim) |
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| 08:26.50 | somiaj | so it won't use your users config files, but it can access the display just fine |
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| 08:30.07 | koskoz | how can I know the version of an installed package? I think last time I used dpkg for this |
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| 08:30.26 | guardian | morning |
| 08:30.52 | zykotick9 | koskoz: "apt-cache policy foo" is one alternative |
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| 08:32.42 | NoOova | what diffetent is in localtime and timezone |
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| 08:34.08 | koskoz | zykotick9: thanks |
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| 08:35.24 | NoOova | what diffetent is in /etc/timezone and /etc/localtime |
| 08:35.31 | NoOova | i mean |
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| 08:46.44 | holycow | hi guys |
| 08:47.19 | holycow | how do i get the name of a window? xwinfo gives me a bunch of info but not sure which part is the window name |
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| 08:52.08 | mah454 | Hello ... |
| 08:52.20 | jelly-home | holycow: xwininfo -tree results have a line like xwininfo: Window id: 0x160000a "XChat: jelly-home @ FreeNode / #debian (+CLPcntlf 1100 #debian-overflow)" |
| 08:52.44 | mah454 | What script make this directory's in $HOME ? (Pictures,Music,Downloads,Videos,...) |
| 08:52.46 | jelly-home | holycow: that strings in "" looks like the window name? |
| 08:53.17 | streuner_ | mah454: GNOME installed? |
| 08:53.42 | mah454 | streuner_, yes use gnome |
| 08:53.58 | mah454 | I need disable this script ... |
| 08:54.03 | holycow | jelly-home: i tried using that with xvkbd so for example: xvkbd -window "CABINET" -test " " ... and wvkbd cannot find the window oddly. i thought i was going crazy |
| 08:54.13 | holycow | perhaps something differnt is going on here |
| 08:54.16 | holycow | thanks for confirmation |
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| 08:55.16 | jelly-home | holycow: I have no idea what that tool uses as an argument, but most other X window managing tools take the window _id_ instead |
| 08:55.32 | jelly-home | that'd be 0x160000a in this case |
| 08:55.44 | mah454 | jelly, == jelly-home ? |
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| 08:55.55 | jelly-home | mah454: yes |
| 08:56.05 | holycow | jelly-home: *nod* yeah i can use that but it become inconvenient to script as the window id changes |
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| 09:00.12 | holycow | jelly-home: thanks for the sanity check. now i am back on track. |
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| 09:01.17 | streuner_ | mah454: surely GNOME create those dirs when you are logged in there |
| 09:01.31 | streuner_ | mah454: s/create/created/ |
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| 09:04.22 | mah454 | streuner_, heh ! find ... |
| 09:04.38 | mah454 | streuner_, use this command : grep -ir Pictures /etc/* |
| 09:04.43 | mah454 | this result : xdg/user-dirs.defaults:PICTURES=Pictures |
| 09:04.48 | mah454 | disable this file ! |
| 09:04.50 | mah454 | :D |
| 09:06.16 | jelly-home | holycow: perhaps xprop has saner output format |
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| 09:07.24 | jelly-home | holycow: or xlsclients -l |
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| 09:13.44 | holycow | jelly-home: you are king among kings. gracias. i've learned a ton about xorg trying to figure this one out |
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| 09:20.58 | guardian | what's the proper way to link an executable against a specific version of glibc? |
| 09:21.39 | somiaj | guardian: do you have multiple versions of glibc on your machine (that seems odd) |
| 09:21.47 | somiaj | usually it gets linked to the version you have on your machine at compile time |
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| 09:22.15 | guardian | no i don't |
| 09:22.33 | somiaj | guardian: what is it you are trying to do? |
| 09:22.52 | guardian | but i need to ship a binary that's meant to be run on a system that runs glibc 2.5 |
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| 09:23.01 | guardian | that's the crux of closed source shops :( |
| 09:23.13 | somiaj | guardian: does this system run debian (or a debian dervative)? |
| 09:23.28 | guardian | centos |
| 09:23.43 | somiaj | guardian: create a centos chroot, and compile the binary inside of the chroot |
| 09:23.53 | somiaj | guardian: you could also create a virtual machine as well |
| 09:23.58 | guardian | yep |
| 09:24.13 | guardian | that's tedious :) but that's the way to go |
| 09:24.13 | somiaj | but I would create a full centos machine to do the building so you have all the libs mached up correctly |
| 09:24.28 | somiaj | well if centos had 'debootstrap' making chroots are fast |
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| 09:27.00 | guardian | unrelated question… i accidentally the whole debian box… by unleashing the best forkbomb known to man: make -j |
| 09:27.07 | guardian | now the box is unresponsive, and i can't ssh into it |
| 09:27.22 | guardian | what's my best bet? hard reset? |
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| 09:27.32 | guardian | i've been waiting for 2 days already :D and it's still unresponsive :D |
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| 09:29.00 | epicfail | FU** ACTA! |
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| 09:31.04 | jetscreamer | !comfort epicfail |
| 09:31.04 | dpkg | There, there, epicfail. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
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| 09:31.43 | Oniklus | was that command written by Sheldon Cooper? |
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| 09:32.32 | epicfail | jetscreamer, to make me stop trolling? =/ |
| 09:32.37 | jetscreamer | !factinfo comfort |
| 09:32.37 | dpkg | jetscreamer: there's no such factoid as comfort |
| 09:33.02 | epicfail | jetscreamer, acta is bad! |
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| 09:33.30 | jetscreamer | nah was more for the brainembolism or whatever :) |
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| 09:33.45 | epicfail | !comfort jetscreamer |
| 09:33.46 | dpkg | There, there, jetscreamer. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
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| 09:34.27 | epicfail | !zig |
| 09:34.27 | dpkg | well, zig is moved for Great Justice by Captain |
| 09:34.42 | jetscreamer | take off every zig |
| 09:34.52 | epicfail | doesent work anymore? non smoker channel? |
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| 09:35.07 | jetscreamer | what you don't know all your base? |
| 09:35.10 | feanor | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:37.28 | aetoxx | Is there some resource about iproute2 which is coherent? lartc.org jumps from one topic to the next without coming up with some kind of structured story. |
| 09:37.53 | jetscreamer | feanor maybe in .bashrc but i dunno |
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| 09:38.08 | colo-work | "Story"? I feel like in the middle of some kind of scrum bs. bah! |
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| 09:39.00 | feanor | what app should be responsible for setting $XDG_DATA_HOME ? |
| 09:39.19 | themill | feanor: a better question is, perhaps, why do you want it set? |
| 09:39.45 | shp | hi |
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| 09:40.18 | aetoxx | Is iproute2 really the recommended way to do some basis traffic shaping? |
| 09:40.28 | shp | i installed debian wheezy but my gnome3 crashes at each startup (i have to do ctrl + print + k to restart x ) and it randomly crashes, what can i do? |
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| 09:41.24 | jetscreamer | doesn't say kde |
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| 09:41.50 | somiaj | shp: welcome to testing. Goto the bts, check the logs, try to figure out what is crashing |
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| 09:42.06 | feanor | themill, I see that many apps have their conf located at $XDG_CONFIG_HOME/something |
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| 09:42.45 | themill | feanor: sure, and that if XDG_CONFIG_HOME is not set, they're supposed to use ~/.config/something for that locatin |
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| 09:44.06 | shp | somiaj, how to do all of that please? i found the bugtracker but too many results with "gnome 3" and i don't know how to check the logs |
| 09:44.46 | somiaj | shp: logs are in /var/log/, bts is at bugs.debian.org |
| 09:45.00 | somiaj | shp: if you don't understand how to do basic debugging like this you should be running stable |
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| 09:45.57 | shp | somiaj, but on stable i wanted to install gtkpod => it needed far too many packages to be installed so people advises me to install wheezy |
| 09:46.03 | shp | it's that I did |
| 09:46.13 | shp | what * |
| 09:46.26 | somiaj | ,versions gtkpod |
| 09:46.27 | judd | Package: gtkpod on i386 -- lenny: 0.99.12-3; squeeze: 0.99.14-3; sid: 2.1.1-1; wheezy: 2.1.1-1 |
| 09:46.40 | somiaj | what is wrong wit the version in squeeze? They should of advised you to make a backport |
| 09:46.47 | somiaj | ,check-backport gktpod |
| 09:46.48 | judd | No package named 'gktpod' was found in sid/i386. |
| 09:46.55 | somiaj | ,check-backport gtkpod |
| 09:47.00 | judd | Backporting package gtkpod in sid→squeeze/i386: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: libanjuta-dev (>= 2:3.0), libgdl-3-dev, libgpod-dev (>= 0.8), libgtk-3-dev, libwebkitgtk-3.0-dev. |
| 09:47.25 | themill | .o0( why does it depend on an IDE to build? ) |
| 09:47.54 | somiaj | well looks lke making a backport of that isnt going to be easy, so yea if the version of gtkpod in squeeze is not good enough, then try to find alternatives |
| 09:48.19 | feanor | themill: thx |
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| 09:49.36 | somiaj | shp: you can try #debian-next on irc.oftc.net if you want some testing support, but understanding it is a testing distro and knowing a bit about debugging make running it easier |
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| 09:50.29 | shp | somiaj, => isn't there tuto about debugging ? cause i can use the terminal it's not a problem i just don't know what to do |
| 09:50.57 | somiaj | shp: start looking though your xorg log and see if you notice anything that sounds like an error, google that error |
| 09:51.02 | somiaj | shp: repeate until you find a useful error |
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| 09:51.52 | shp | k i try that thx |
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| 09:54.18 | icedwater | I can't seem to figure out what's causing my System menu in Gnome to only have Help and About Gnome as its entries... some plugins are missing perhaps? |
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| 09:56.54 | icedwater | Brb. |
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| 10:08.04 | aetoxx | Performs a nearly atomic remove/add on an existing node id. |
| 10:08.08 | aetoxx | Nearly atomic. That's hilarious! |
| 10:08.24 | monoxyde- | Hello, i recently did an "apt-get udate;apt-get upgrade" and when I did it broke my apache2 .htaccess config... does anyone have any ideas about why/how this could have happened? |
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| 10:09.23 | icedwater | Sorry, had to restart gdm to see if ibus would work. |
| 10:09.44 | icedwater | I hope I didn't miss any answers to my previous question, the Gnome menu's System option isn |
| 10:09.56 | icedwater | isn't fully populated and I am not sure how I can fix it. |
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| 10:12.20 | jelly | aetoxx: an IONIC replacement? |
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| 10:12.50 | aetoxx | jelly, good one. |
| 10:13.07 | pzn | I'm getting "ext3 filesystem error on /, remounting read-only", then I e2fsck and it works ok for some days. 4th time this occours this month. "/" is /dev/md0, raid1, smart hd status shows everything OK for both HDs. what should I do? |
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| 10:14.29 | somiaj | icedwater: do you have the package 'menu' installed? Though I think things are moving to freedesktop.org menu .desktop files so that may not be needed anymore. |
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| 10:15.58 | somiaj | looks like there are packages gnome-menus, libgnome-menu, so not sure how gnome generates it |
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| 10:21.02 | icedwater | Hmm. somiaj I'll take a look. Thanks. |
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| 10:21.44 | icedwater | somiaj: menu and menu-xdg are both installed, I wonder if a dpkg-reconfigure would be enough to fix any problem. There's also a gnome-menus package, though... |
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| 10:24.06 | icedwater | somiaj: It's not working, though I think I'm bashing the fly with the wrong hammer... |
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| 11:14.29 | CXIV | Squeeze supports btrfs yes? |
| 11:14.47 | petemc | CONFIG_BTRFS_FS=m |
| 11:14.55 | petemc | thats from a squeeze kernel |
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| 11:17.21 | CXIV | petemc So what that exactly means? |
| 11:17.26 | petemc | yes |
| 11:17.51 | petemc | personally, i wouldnt like to be relying on it myself |
| 11:18.19 | CXIV | petemc So why Squeeze support it if its still quite experimental? |
| 11:19.06 | CXIV | Or like you said... not really reliable |
| 11:19.19 | petemc | maybe its not as bad as i think |
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| 11:19.38 | petemc | its available as an option, its not the default or anything |
| 11:19.41 | DelTree | the man page of btrfs is quite explicit... |
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| 11:19.46 | Worf | CXIV: what do you mean with "why Squeeze support" ? |
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| 11:21.25 | CXIV | Worf petemc Said its not really reliable |
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| 11:21.41 | petemc | no i didnt |
| 11:21.50 | petemc | i said i wouldnt like to be relying on it |
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| 11:22.27 | Worf | and i ask why, i did ask what you mean |
| 11:22.33 | Worf | at least i tried to :) |
| 11:23.07 | petemc | i like my filesystems to be tried and tested |
| 11:23.13 | petemc | but thats just me |
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| 11:23.50 | Worf | argh ... my typing skills fail me. what i mean is: would you suggest removing the possibility to use btrfs and other not totally stable things from squeeze, or what did you mean with "why squeeze support" ? |
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| 11:24.54 | CXIV | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:25.31 | Aleksi^ | Hi. Can somebody give me help why I cannot send emails using Evolution to localhost when I have set my outgoing SMTP to "localhost" and I have postfix in localhost? |
| 11:25.31 | CXIV | If I would know then I would be allowed to consider it |
| 11:25.35 | hmmm | heya... I have an old grunt up and runnign with squeeze. as root, in /etc I do a ls wp* or ls wpa* and I get not wpa_supplicant.conf listed say, but three files which not all trigger the mask... (they are related to package wpa though but ) is it just me or why does functions.sh get listed and ifupdown.sh for example_ |
| 11:26.03 | Aleksi^ | I mean, when I send emails using "mail" command -> no problem. "mutt" -> no problem. Thunderbird -> no problem. |
| 11:26.34 | CXIV | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:26.36 | Aleksi^ | But Evolution -> messages does not go anywhere except to the box where they are until they are sent (which happens never) |
| 11:26.49 | hmmm | oh god.. sorry.. I found out why... I am using an ancient 5 tonne block brick of a TV as monitor and it was a directory of course |
| 11:27.01 | hmmm | hard to read here :/ |
| 11:27.03 | CXIV | Or rather when it fails. |
| 11:28.12 | CXIV | I haven't got any problems with ext2 over the years |
| 11:28.56 | dmbaturin | CXIV: Pull the power cord. ;) |
| 11:29.02 | Worf | CXIV: you seem to have hell of a hardware and elictricity supply |
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| 11:29.25 | CXIV | Worf Hell of ancient hardware :) |
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| 11:29.28 | streuner_ | dpkg, start an fs war |
| 11:29.28 | dpkg | Sigh, just use ext3 already. |
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| 11:30.37 | ciss | hi, i have a question regarding openssl: can i extend the lifetime of a self-signed certificate without discarding the current private key? |
| 11:31.14 | dmbaturin | ciss: You can re-issue the cert and sign with the same key. |
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| 11:40.37 | CXIV | Are there any wheezy live cd's? |
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| 11:43.07 | gele | would be really nice if there was a switch that made the exit status of the program the same as the http status. |
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| 11:50.45 | x4rkz | Hi |
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| 11:54.14 | ciss | dmbaturin: thanks, got it working now. turns out apache was using the wrong key files. |
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| 12:09.53 | unomystEz | you guys prefer chrome or ffox? |
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| 12:10.15 | petemc | both are popular |
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| 12:11.42 | jelly | unomystEz: chromium or iceweasel? |
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| 12:14.53 | hurix | hello :) Can I force apt-get to install a package version which it doesn't know? A newer version? |
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| 12:16.43 | ksk | hurix: nono |
| 12:17.03 | ksk | if there is no version in the repos, what should it install |
| 12:17.17 | ksk | tell hurix about backports |
| 12:17.22 | ksk | !tell hurix about backports |
| 12:18.38 | mah454 | i have not /dev/ram* files ! |
| 12:18.52 | mah454 | How can make this ? |
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| 12:21.31 | joar | mah454: What is your original issue? What are you trying to achievve? |
| 12:21.32 | x4rkz | I try to install python 3.2.2, but when I type ./configure I have some error that say I need gcc, but when I try to install gcc or g++ it doesnt work either ---> http://pastebin.archlinux.fr/438353 |
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| 12:22.26 | konverguoju | hello, sorry to write here, but nobody seems to respond on gnome channel: how (where) do I configure gnome alt + tab (application switcher) behavior? (so that it would switch only through the current workspace applications?) |
| 12:23.16 | mah454 | joar, fixed ! installed makedev package |
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| 12:27.28 | shp | hi |
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| 12:28.18 | shp | to install a theme on gnome on squeeze => http://gnome-look.org/ i choose gtk2 or gtk3 ? |
| 12:28.53 | NodeX | Hi Guys. Quick question - not sure where else to ask because it's debain related as far as I can tell!... I have nginx + php-fpm which use either a unix socket or a TCP socket to communicate .. when I use a unix socket I get around 8000 req/s with about 0.5 load when I use a tcp socket I get around 50 req/s and a 5.5 load .. I am certain it lies with the TCP socket and maybe it's looking it up |
| 12:28.53 | NodeX | via DNS or something because the same thing happens with Varnish (a http cache) |
| 12:29.43 | jelly | gele: uh... the values for exit status are limited to ones that fit into an unsigned char: 0 .. 255. man 3 exit |
| 12:30.01 | jelly | gele: notice how "404" does not fit in that range |
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| 12:32.50 | jelly | NodeX: and it works normally on other distros? |
| 12:33.56 | NodeX | I don't have to try but my friend gets about 3500 req/s on TCP on his |
| 12:34.13 | NodeX | I havn't modified the kernel or anything so I'm lost! |
| 12:35.24 | NodeX | I dont have to try -> I dont't have any to try ** |
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| 12:37.27 | x4rkz | nobody can help ? |
| 12:38.16 | jelly | NodeX: which debian release are you using and where did you get your nginx and php-fpm from? |
| 12:38.32 | jelly | ,versions php5-fpm |
| 12:38.33 | judd | Package: php5-fpm on i386 -- wheezy: 5.3.10-1; sid: 5.3.10-2; experimental: 5.4.0~rc8-2 |
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| 12:40.38 | NodeX | debian 6, php-fpm and nginx both latest and built from source |
| 12:40.45 | NodeX | it's not Nginx or php-fpm |
| 12:40.54 | NodeX | varnish does the same thing |
| 12:41.07 | NodeX | anythign that tries to use tcp sockets is slow |
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| 12:53.58 | jelly | NodeX: have you tried stracing both ends to see what happens? |
| 12:54.37 | NodeX | no. I'll try that next |
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| 12:56.13 | somethinginteres | do I need to restart my net to have changes to /etc/hosts kick in? |
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| 12:58.08 | ksk | test it? |
| 12:58.37 | ksk | some applications might need a restart, mysqld was one iirc |
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| 12:59.08 | jelly | somethinginteres: no. |
| 13:00.35 | jelly | somethinginteres: there are silly apps that do their own name resolver caching, web browsers a typical example -- those might need a reload or restart |
| 13:00.44 | x4rkz | or g++ it doesnt work either ---> http://pastebin.archlinux.fr/438353 |
| 13:01.06 | jelly | somethinginteres: some services explicitely ignore /etc/hosts and use only DNS |
| 13:01.06 | x4rkz | I try to install python 3.2.2, but when I type ./configure I have some error that say I need gcc, but when I try to install gcc or g++ it doesnt work either ---> http://pastebin.archlinux.fr/438353 |
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| 13:02.12 | jelly | x4rkz: install build-essential, for a start. It might be worth doing "apt-get build-dep python" to get all the development package that debian uses to build its own |
| 13:02.58 | x4rkz | build-essential returns the same king of error |
| 13:02.59 | jelly | x4rkz: in general, building apps from sources requires installation of development headers and libraries. |
| 13:03.00 | x4rkz | than gcc |
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| 13:03.39 | jelly | x4rkz: oh, you're mixing debian 5 and debian 6 package repositories. |
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| 13:03.57 | x4rkz | reall ? I got debian 6 |
| 13:04.03 | jelly | x4rkz: nope. |
| 13:04.21 | jelly | libc6-dev: Depends: libc6 (= 2.7-18lenny7) but 2.11.3-2 is installed # "lenny" is Debian 5 |
| 13:04.44 | x4rkz | lenny is debian 5 ? whats for debian 6 ? |
| 13:04.51 | x4rkz | squeeze ? |
| 13:05.04 | jelly | x4rkz: Yes. pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy", please, before doing anything silly. |
| 13:05.11 | DanDare | Hello. Anyone tried to use google-earth in Debian Squeeze ? Well.... its just crashes |
| 13:05.35 | DelTree | good thing... google is evil anyway... ^_^ |
| 13:05.38 | x4rkz | I changed my sources.list |
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| 13:05.58 | x4rkz | I put lenny, I didnt know it was debian 5, I put squeeze back |
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| 13:06.54 | jelly | x4rkz: what does "COLUMNS=100 dpkg -l libc6 dpkg |tail -2" say? |
| 13:07.30 | x4rkz | ii dpkg 1.15.8.12 Debian package management system ii libc6 2.11.3-2 Embedded GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 13:08.32 | jelly | x4rkz: yeah, those are Debian 6 (squeeze) versions, ok. |
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| 13:08.51 | jelly | x4rkz: why did you replace squeeze with lenny in the first place |
| 13:09.16 | x4rkz | cause first of all I only had cdrom in source |
| 13:09.38 | x4rkz | then I looked on the internet and someone said it worked with that |
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| 13:10.28 | bartus | hi every one, i really don't like mondays :/ |
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| 13:11.07 | bartus | having trouble with linux-image-3.2 package. |
| 13:11.34 | mosno | bartus, come to Australia, it's Tuesday here! |
| 13:11.39 | bartus | apt complains about blcr dkms module not compilling correctly ... |
| 13:11.51 | x4rkz | ./configure is working thanks |
| 13:12.06 | thewanderer1 | bartus, kernel devs like to break API compatibility |
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| 13:12.53 | bartus | $mosno, thursday is even worst |
| 13:13.19 | thewanderer1 | and BLCR is heavily tied to internal kernel structures, so... you have to use a patch that is explicitly made for 3.2 |
| 13:13.31 | mosno | bartus, parse error |
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| 13:14.02 | bartus | mosno, [sic!] |
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| 13:14.44 | x4rkz | make command not found |
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| 13:15.37 | x4rkz | make command not found whereas there is a makefile in the directory |
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| 13:18.09 | somethinginteres | can I add the date to the top of the screen in gnome 3 near the day and time? |
| 13:19.09 | abrotman | somethinginteres: i believe so .. try right clicking on it? |
| 13:19.26 | abrotman | x4rkz: how are the two related? |
| 13:19.43 | bartus | thewanderer1, mean blcr kernel patch ? |
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| 13:22.13 | somethinginteres | abrotman: tried that. Can't see anything helpful. |
| 13:22.13 | thewanderer1 | bartus, yes, what else could fail with dkms if not kernel patches? :P |
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| 13:23.42 | abrotman | somethinginteres: i mae mine do it .. check in your settings .. |
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| 13:25.12 | abrotman | somethinginteres: i'm not sitting in front of a gnome3 desktop .. |
| 13:25.26 | bartus | thewanderer1, blcr says it does not need any kernel patching :/ Looking further ... |
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| 13:27.00 | thewanderer1 | bartus, err, I meant the module, but it's basically the same - with incompatible kernel API, it won't compile |
| 13:28.23 | x4rkz | its ok I installed make but when I typed make altinstall, it seems to work, but python -V still return 2.6 |
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| 13:31.04 | thewanderer1 | make install? sounds like someone is trying to hose his system |
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| 13:38.39 | CXIV | "Standard Debian Linux/GNU Image" Is that one with gnome? :D |
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| 13:40.26 | jelly | CXIV: yes. |
| 13:40.45 | jelly | CXIV: more context would be nice tho |
| 13:41.02 | CXIV | jelly I want to use live-magic |
| 13:41.17 | CXIV | To make a live cd fom Debian testing |
| 13:41.43 | jelly | CXIV: I'd ask in the debian live channel. |
| 13:41.44 | jelly | !live |
| 13:41.44 | dpkg | The Debian Live project provides pre-built Debian live system images and allows creation of your own. These can be used to install a Debian system. Live images are available from http://www.debian.org/CD/live/ . http://live.debian.net/ #debian-live on irc.debian.org. |
| 13:41.56 | CXIV | Thanks |
| 13:42.01 | jelly | CXIV: note: it's on a different IRC network! |
| 13:42.18 | thewanderer1 | errr, standard is "text mode" I think |
| 13:42.54 | thewanderer1 | it has images explicitly labelled "GNOME"... not that hard to find! (plus do you think they'd cram GNOME into a 200MB-or-so image?) |
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| 13:44.07 | jelly | thewanderer1: with MAGIC |
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| 13:45.10 | CXIV | thewanderer1 How do you know its 200 mb? |
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| 13:45.55 | thewanderer1 | CXIV, just a number from memory |
| 13:46.26 | thewanderer1 | but looking at the image dir, it's 231M, so I wasn't too far from the truth |
| 13:46.58 | x4rkz | its ok I installed make but when I typed make altinstall, it seems to work, but python -V still return 2.6 |
| 13:49.08 | Iridos | is there a backend that's called when one mounts via the "Places" menu of gnome (and can I automount that at boot?) - it's creating a directory in /media and then mounts it there... |
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| 13:49.34 | Iridos | or I guess I could make the mount-point myself and then add to fstab the normal way |
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| 13:50.19 | bint | hi there |
| 13:51.01 | bint | i kinda wanna know what size some folders are.. is there a command like ls -l or something that displays the foldersize human readable |
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| 16:42.09 | x4rkz | biliben: http://paste.debian.net/157805/ |
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| 17:03.29 | x4rkz | babilen : http://paste.debian.net/157805/ |
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| 17:06.17 | slash | if I do "aptitude -t squeeze-backports install dspam dovecot-antispam libdspam7-drv-mysql" aptitude wants to install procmail, but I have postfix installed. Why would it do that? :/ |
| 17:06.32 | Iridos | x4rkz, debian-multimedia, not debian.multimedia |
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| 17:07.17 | petemc | slash: procmail isnt a mta, so having it and postfix installed is not a problem |
| 17:07.17 | slash | Oh, procmail is a MDA |
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| 17:07.37 | slash | Yeah, but what for? |
| 17:07.50 | petemc | possibly something depends on it |
| 17:07.55 | petemc | or recommends it |
| 17:08.08 | petemc | dovecot can do mda stuff as well |
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| 17:09.16 | slash | indeed, and I totally use it therefore, so I wonder which package depends on it. probably dspam? I wonder why dovecot wouldn't satisfy that dependency though |
| 17:09.47 | hetOrakel | hi, what do you guy's like more: postfix/exim |
| 17:09.55 | petemc | hetOrakel: both work well |
| 17:09.59 | petemc | and both are popular |
| 17:10.17 | Iridos | petemc, pity that one cannot use aptitude why postfix for those cases |
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| 17:10.38 | slash | :D |
| 17:10.47 | neersighted | exim! |
| 17:11.00 | slash | postfix! |
| 17:11.19 | neersighted | I can't even get postfix in testing XD |
| 17:11.59 | hetOrakel | i used exim and couldn't get used to i, recently i was forced to use postfix, find it much easyer to setup/understand |
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| 17:12.27 | neersighted | I just use exim as a SmartHost relay with google apps |
| 17:12.45 | neersighted | But I did hack it so local domains go though google apps |
| 17:12.50 | Iridos | slash, you can just install it including postfix, then do "aptitude why postfix" and then you'll know |
| 17:13.05 | neersighted | aptitude moo -v |
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| 17:13.06 | neersighted | try it |
| 17:13.08 | quebre | hi |
| 17:13.14 | quebre | i have heavy problem |
| 17:13.26 | quebre | i don't have sound in firefox browser (youtube clips, etc) |
| 17:13.29 | quebre | how to solve that |
| 17:13.41 | quebre | keep on mind that the problem seems to be trivial as you read but it';s not |
| 17:13.52 | Iridos | connect speakers to the machine! |
| 17:13.56 | quebre | already did |
| 17:13.57 | quebre | next |
| 17:14.02 | Iridos | hehe |
| 17:14.05 | quebre | ;) |
| 17:14.11 | Iridos | other programs play sound? |
| 17:14.13 | quebre | yes |
| 17:14.16 | slash | Iridos: I already have postfix installed, I wonder why I would need procmail with dovecot installed |
| 17:14.39 | quebre | i'm using the snd-ca0106 module for my soundblaster audigy |
| 17:14.49 | quebre | mplayer, rhythmbox, etc all works ok |
| 17:15.01 | quebre | except the browser |
| 17:15.01 | Iridos | quebre, sometimes one program hogs the sound device fuser /dev/snd/* /dev/dsp |
| 17:15.28 | Iridos | but usually it's the other way around |
| 17:15.38 | Iridos | flash blocks the sound device and nuffin else plays |
| 17:15.44 | quebre | Iridos: |
| 17:15.45 | quebre | /dev/dsp: 17414 |
| 17:15.56 | quebre | 17414 is the rhythmbox |
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| 17:16.01 | quebre | but why it's blocking |
| 17:16.02 | quebre | ? |
| 17:16.06 | Iridos | quebre, close/kill that and try again |
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| 17:16.10 | jhutchins_wk | quebre: Since there's only one browser you could possibly be using, this must be a problem that every linux user who is surfing the web right now is having. |
| 17:16.30 | Iridos | quebre, I guess because it's using the OSS compatibility device while everything else uses the alsa device |
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| 17:16.46 | quebre | Iridos: after i killed it, it works |
| 17:16.50 | slash | root@srv03 ~/scripts # aptitude why procmail |
| 17:16.50 | slash | i dspam Recommends procmail | maildrop | courier-maildrop | sensible-mda |
| 17:16.54 | quebre | so how can i tell firefox to use alsa ? |
| 17:16.57 | quebre | instead of oss ? |
| 17:17.00 | Iridos | jhutchins_wk, it's flash! whatever the browser, same crap |
| 17:17.11 | Iridos | quebre, now try the fuser again |
| 17:17.14 | x4rkz | babilen: I still have an error with your sources.list http://paste.debian.net/157817/ |
| 17:17.25 | jhutchins_wk | Iridos: I suppose we can assume Adobe. |
| 17:17.27 | quebre | Iridos: empty fuser for /dev/snd* /dev/dsp |
| 17:17.33 | Iridos | hm, ok |
| 17:17.38 | quebre | i can now play youtube clips with sound |
| 17:17.42 | quebre | but i had to close rhythmbox |
| 17:17.46 | quebre | that is bad |
| 17:17.50 | Iridos | quebre, reconfigure rhythmbox to use the alsa devices, not /dev/dsp |
| 17:17.56 | quebre | ah |
| 17:17.58 | Iridos | quebre, failing that, call it with "aoss rhythmbox" |
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| 17:18.17 | Iridos | (aoss is in the alsa-oss package) |
| 17:18.22 | jhutchins_wk | x4rkz: How did you get bablien's sources.list? |
| 17:18.24 | Iridos | jhutchins_wk, safely |
| 17:18.45 | x4rkz | he told me to paste it |
| 17:18.58 | quebre | aptitude install alsa-oss |
| 17:19.01 | quebre | ups |
| 17:19.10 | Iridos | jhutchins_wk, we're waiting for babilen telling him it's debian-multimedia, not debian.multimedia |
| 17:19.16 | jhutchins_wk | x4rkz: Have you considered going to the http://debian.multimedia.org site and checking the instructions? |
| 17:19.22 | Iridos | obviously it's not enough when poor little me just says it |
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| 17:19.44 | quebre | Iridos: thanks, it works now |
| 17:19.53 | quebre | seems the problem was trivial after all |
| 17:19.55 | quebre | ^.- |
| 17:19.59 | jhutchins_wk | Iridos: D'Oh! Moar coffee! |
| 17:20.07 | x4rkz | I also tried with a "-" |
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| 17:20.19 | x4rkz | W: GPG error: http://www.debian-multimedia.org squeeze Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907 |
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| 17:21.44 | Iridos | x4rkz, huhu? |
| 17:21.51 | Iridos | ah! |
| 17:22.02 | Iridos | dpkg, multimedia keyring |
| 17:22.02 | dpkg | it has been said that multimedia keyring is apt-get install debian-multimedia-keyring |
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| 17:22.09 | Iridos | x4rkz, ^^^ |
| 17:22.26 | Iridos | quebre, all problems that you have the solution off are trivial |
| 17:22.40 | Iridos | quebre, perhaps I should have let you search for it a couple of days yourself ;) |
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| 17:24.38 | quebre | the problem with sound is that you don't see any error messages ;) |
| 17:24.47 | quebre | you just hear no sound :D |
| 17:25.02 | babilen | x4rkz: Ah, sorry. I foolishly assumed that the sources.list you pasted was correct (and just corrected other inconsistencies and removed redundant or wrong entries) -- You want to read http://www.debian-multimedia.org/ and subsequently install the debian-multimedia-keyring that has been pointed out to you by Iridos |
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| 17:25.21 | quebre | "I don't know why and I'm not yet motivated to fix it since my views on esd are mostly unprintable." - Alan Cox ;) |
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| 17:29.17 | x4rkz | babilen: Ok, it works now. But when I follow your instructions I got theses errors E: Unable to locate package build-dep E: Unable to locate package codeblocks |
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| 17:40.12 | Iridos | quebre, for next time: we also have a sound factoid. To see it /msg dpkg alsa checklist |
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| 17:40.49 | shp | hi |
| 17:40.51 | jelly-home | x4rkz: sounds like you wrote the build-dep command incorrectly |
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| 17:41.00 | Iridos | <x4rkz> I also tried with a "-" <---- didn't you notice you got a different error then? |
| 17:41.05 | shp | i just read a tuto on backports but i can't find google chrome package, how can i do pls? |
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| 17:42.35 | Iridos | shp, there's none in backports - you'd have to backport it yourself and I think that's not trivial, because some of the libraries needed for chromium in testing aren't in squeeze |
| 17:42.44 | Iridos | dpkg, tell shp about ssb |
| 17:43.18 | wonderworld | hi, i am having problems accessing an old encrypted disk i encrypted years ago with losetup -e twofish on debian. the cryptoloop has been removed from squeeze. i managed to compile it from source, load it and decrypt my disk. but some update in the last days made it fail. when loading cryptoloop now, i get "cryptoloop: Unknown symbol loop_unregister_transfer". any ideas? |
| 17:43.32 | shp | thx Iridos, and do you think pinning can be an easier solution? |
| 17:43.37 | Iridos | shp, that's the general procedure... (and you can change sid to testing) - but as I said... involves more |
| 17:43.57 | Iridos | shp, no, that will give you a frankendebian and lots of interesting problems nobody but you has |
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| 17:44.17 | wonderworld | i tried to mount the disk with the newer cryptsetup from dm-crypt, but i need to know keysize, hash-algorhthm and encryption type which i am unable to find oit |
| 17:44.18 | shp | ok so i will persist in backports ty for your tip |
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| 17:44.54 | babilen | x4rkz: Did you run "apt-get build-dep codeblocks" (as opposed to "apt-get install build-dep" ?) ? |
| 17:45.28 | Iridos | shp, what do you need a newer version for? |
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| 17:46.49 | shp | Iridos, => for bookmarks synchronization |
| 17:46.54 | x4rkz | babilen: You wrote "install" in your instructions |
| 17:47.18 | x4rkz | now I thin its working |
| 17:47.22 | shp | it prints an error with this version because it's too old (i tried 2 months ago i think it did not change because it's still called chromium-browser and not google chrome) |
| 17:48.01 | Iridos | shp, there's a "set up sync" in squeezes chromiums options...? |
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| 17:48.10 | Iridos | oh, I never tried it, though |
| 17:48.32 | shp | yes there is |
| 17:48.35 | shp | but outdated |
| 17:48.47 | Iridos | tries |
| 17:49.08 | Iridos | "The sync server is busy, please try again later" |
| 17:49.10 | Iridos | I see |
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| 17:49.32 | Iridos | shp, yeah... that would be a package I'd also wish in backports or volatile |
| 17:49.38 | Iridos | judd, versions chromium-browser |
| 17:49.39 | judd | Package: chromium-browser on i386 -- squeeze: 6.0.472.63~r59945-5+squeeze6; squeeze-security: 6.0.472.63~r59945-5+squeeze6; wheezy: 16.0.912.77~r118311-1; sid: 17.0.963.56~r121963-1 |
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| 17:50.13 | shp | but Iridos i installed .deb package from google chrome site 4 months ago with a "dkpg -i package.deb" and it worked perfectly with no error |
| 17:50.23 | shp | but i just reinstalled squeeze and it does no longer work |
| 17:50.28 | shp | not * |
| 17:50.43 | Iridos | no idea about googles .debs |
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| 17:51.01 | shp | a problem of dependecies so i think backports is my solution |
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| 17:59.45 | Cybertinus | hello |
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| 18:00.01 | Cybertinus | when I try to update my Debian 6.0 stable install I get the following error: paste.debian.net/157826/ |
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| 18:00.09 | Cybertinus | err http://paste.debian.net/157826/ |
| 18:00.16 | hypnocat | is there any difference between how nice works on uniprocessor machine vs on an smp machine? |
| 18:00.25 | Cybertinus | what could be the cause of that, and more importantly: how do I fix it? |
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| 18:00.30 | anddam | hi |
| 18:01.16 | Cybertinus | I've tried removing everything in /var/lib/apt/lists/ already, but that didn't fix it |
| 18:01.52 | Iridos | Cybertinus, how long do you see that? |
| 18:02.04 | Iridos | for* |
| 18:02.23 | Janos | hi, anyone knows if there is something wrong with the security repo today ? getting the same error on the two servers i have tried to update so far, error here http://pastebin.com/muB621TJ |
| 18:02.33 | shp | hmm little problem when i do "apt-get update" => error + sources.list contents: http://pastebin.com/JqKh4Ue1 |
| 18:02.45 | Cybertinus | Iridos: I see it for the first time now. I've haven't updated for 2 weeks or so, and when I try to update now, I get this message |
| 18:02.52 | Iridos | hm, but I don't get that |
| 18:03.02 | Janos | mm, looks like it´s a general issue :P |
| 18:03.12 | Iridos | Cybertinus, I wondered if there was just an update on the server just while you were accessing it |
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| 18:03.28 | Cybertinus | iondeed Janos, I've got the same thing |
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| 18:03.41 | Cybertinus | what mirrors do you use Janos? |
| 18:03.56 | Iridos | security doesn't use mirrors, though |
| 18:04.05 | Cybertinus | ah, none at all |
| 18:04.13 | Janos | yup, it´s on security, no mirrors for that |
| 18:04.23 | Iridos | do you still see that? |
| 18:04.31 | Iridos | I just ran apt-get update and see nothing the like |
| 18:04.56 | Cybertinus | still the same error Iridos |
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| 18:05.21 | Iridos | hm, funny |
| 18:05.25 | Iridos | I'd wait a day |
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| 18:05.53 | Iridos | comment security out for today if it prevents you from installing stuff |
| 18:05.57 | Iridos | look again tomorrow |
| 18:06.14 | Janos | Iridos, can you try apt-get clean && apt-get update ? |
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| 18:06.32 | Iridos | Janos, apt-get clean only clears /var/cache/apt/archives/*deb |
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| 18:07.44 | Janos | Iridos, ok, i though it would clear up the package lists too |
| 18:07.51 | Iridos | but I guess I can move /var/lib/apt/lists/ out of the way |
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| 18:08.13 | Cybertinus | Iridos: you can empty that directory without problem |
| 18:08.21 | Janos | Iridos, yup, try that to force a re-download and see if you get the same issue |
| 18:08.53 | Iridos | ooh |
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| 18:09.01 | Cybertinus | It doesn't fix the problem here though |
| 18:09.04 | Iridos | Cybertinus, no problems, but I use i386 |
| 18:09.14 | Cybertinus | ok, I'm on 64 bit |
| 18:09.22 | Iridos | I know |
| 18:09.23 | Iridos | you both are |
| 18:09.33 | shp | can someone past me his sources.list file ? i did some foolishness with it :( |
| 18:09.52 | Iridos | dpkg, tell shp about make sources.list |
| 18:10.10 | Iridos | *sigh* |
| 18:10.16 | Iridos | dpkg, tell shp about make squeeze sources.list |
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| 18:10.35 | Cybertinus | shp: http://paste.debian.net/157830/ |
| 18:10.46 | shp | ty you both |
| 18:11.06 | deego | E: Problem with MergeList /var/lib/apt/lists/security.debian.org_dists_squeeze_updates_main_binary-amd64_Packages in squeeze atm. |
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| 18:11.15 | Iridos | it's all a big conspiracy to prevent you from getting security updates today |
| 18:11.20 | Iridos | but the government hushed it up |
| 18:11.20 | deego | E: Encountered a section with no Package: header |
| 18:11.41 | deego | Iridos saw this himself on wikileaks. |
| 18:12.25 | Cybertinus | deego: yeah, multiple people have that problem (me included). It looks like security.debian.org is a bit borked today. Just disable it for today and reenable it tomorrow to check if it works again |
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| 18:13.20 | *** topic/#debian by themill -> security.d.o broken Packages file - should be fixed soon | squeeze (6.0.4) released; /msg dpkg squeeze | lenny EOL 2012-02-06 /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze ; /msg dpkg 5.0.9 | NO FLOOD: /msg dpkg pastebin | /msg bots NOT people | offtopic: #debian-offtopic | wheezy/sid: #debian-next (irc.oftc.net) | FAQ: http://deb.li/IRCFAQ | channel logs: http://deb.li/yQXC |
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| 18:14.45 | Iridos | deego, also, we've been spying on you, you use the amd64 repo |
| 18:14.58 | deego | Iridos: Damn you! |
| 18:15.02 | deego | Cybertinus: ok, thanks. |
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| 18:15.16 | Cybertinus | yw deego |
| 18:15.20 | deego | Iridos: Don't tell anyone, but I use debian. |
| 18:15.22 | Iridos | deego, psychic spies from china trying to steal your minds elation |
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| 18:16.04 | Grav | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:16.24 | Janos | i can confirm the problem does no happen on i386 |
| 18:16.40 | Janos | just updates one of my x86 servers |
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| 18:17.38 | shp | "aptitude update" => error => http://paste.debian.net/157832/ => help :'( => thanks :D |
| 18:18.37 | Janos | shp, check the channel topic :P |
| 18:18.56 | Iridos | shp, or just read the last couple of minutes in here? |
| 18:19.19 | shp | oh sry |
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| 18:20.21 | x4rkz | babilen: what do I need to do after apt-get -b source codeblocks ? |
| 18:20.45 | Iridos | well... wait? |
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| 18:21.04 | anddam | should RUNLEVEL be set in regular user env? |
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| 18:21.50 | Iridos | anddam, no, it's a command /sbin/runlevel |
| 18:22.00 | jubo2 | I need to draw and color fractals.. what software should I use on debian ? |
| 18:22.08 | anddam | Iridos: I'm asking as per init(8) seems it should |
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| 18:22.46 | themill | jubo2: "apt-cache search fractal" there are a few things you can play with there |
| 18:22.54 | anddam | Iridos: or who -r, but I was curious about why this discrepancy |
| 18:23.38 | Iridos | anddam, that says it sets it for all its children, but not that it's exported... |
| 18:23.46 | anddam | right |
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| 18:24.25 | Iridos | well, none of the shells you run have been started by init |
| 18:24.33 | misch | hello #debian, does someone know a good music playback tool which offers a 31band graphic equalizer? |
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| 18:25.36 | Iridos | anddam, so I see no discrepancy |
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| 18:28.27 | injureddeer | there is some neutral desktop manager? |
| 18:28.30 | injureddeer | i have only xfce |
| 18:28.36 | injureddeer | and now run it from startx |
| 18:28.39 | injureddeer | and i wanna autorun |
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| 18:29.35 | nkuttler | injureddeer: xdm? |
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| 18:30.33 | somiaj | injureddeer: I like slim, but you have xdm, kdm, gdm, wdm, slim, and a few more |
| 18:30.34 | zykotick9 | injureddeer: slim is desktop neutral, and light |
| 18:31.07 | injureddeer | sow |
| 18:31.09 | injureddeer | what will be good? |
| 18:31.11 | injureddeer | slim? |
| 18:31.12 | injureddeer | ok |
| 18:31.32 | injureddeer | will work with xfce? |
| 18:31.47 | nkuttler | injureddeer: any dm can work with xfce |
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| 18:32.44 | injureddeer | ok |
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| 18:33.59 | elcuco | hi all, how can i install wine on 64bit? I don't even see the app in apt-cache |
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| 18:35.38 | Iridos | dpkg, newer wine |
| 18:35.39 | dpkg | Debian has both wine and wine-unstable packages that contain various releases of <Wine>. They have not been recently updated as it was not possible to build packages for amd64 with the tools in Debian. Ask me about <cxoffice>, <siyh>, <wine-unstable>. |
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| 18:36.13 | Iridos | judd, versions wine --arch=amd64 |
| 18:36.13 | judd | Package: wine on amd64 -- lenny: 1.0.1-1; squeeze: 1.0.1-3.1; sid: 1.0.1-3.5; experimental: 1.1.24-2 |
| 18:36.14 | elcuco | dpkg: wine-unstable |
| 18:36.14 | dpkg | Unofficial but more up-to-date builds of wine-unstable for sid at http://dev.carbon-project.org/debian/wine-unstable/ |
| 18:36.31 | Moebius | question |
| 18:36.31 | Iridos | judd, versions wine-unstable --arch=amd64 |
| 18:36.32 | judd | Package: wine-unstable on amd64 -- sid: 1.1.34-1 |
| 18:36.50 | Iridos | dunnow what you want, there's wine in squeeze |
| 18:36.58 | gnarface | elcuco: a word of warning - despite the seeming incongruous nature of this statement, you're going to have to build it yourself to get a newer version (the "unofficial" ones are still years old) and you're going to want to build the 32-bit version, even if you're on 64-bit (unless you have 64-bit windows binaries, which is almost none of them if you're doing his for gaming) |
| 18:37.21 | Moebius | i've many times backed up Debian partition image using Acronis, went always fine until now. It works, but it creates 32 gb image out of 9 gb really used by Debian. Wtf?! |
| 18:37.36 | Moebius | the entire partition size is 50gb |
| 18:37.41 | gnarface | elcuco: there's a #winehq channel you can get more wine-specific help on, but they're really Debian-dumb there so be careful taking their advice when it comes to the 'make install' stage |
| 18:38.04 | Iridos | Moebius, but that would be a problem of acronis, not of debian? |
| 18:38.29 | Moebius | Iridos, um.. possibly, but i thought it could be some erased files, some peculiarity of ext4 fs... |
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| 18:38.49 | gnarface | Moebius: at first guess, not knowing Acronis at all (i use tar to make backups still) maybe you forgot to tell it not to follow symlinks into neighboring partitions? |
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| 18:39.17 | newdebian | hi |
| 18:39.25 | Moebius | gnarface, i know what you're saying, but NO. I don't use such symlinks and /mnt folder never bothered. |
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| 18:40.01 | Moebius | but it feels like it takes something else and possibly some other partitions, but when i open it up in acronis i see nothing else... and it says 9gb of used space!! |
| 18:40.02 | gnarface | Moebius: i got nothing then, sorry |
| 18:40.06 | Moebius | but the image file is 30... |
| 18:40.13 | Moebius | ok.. thanks anyway. |
| 18:40.22 | somiaj | gnarface: the new unoffical packages are like 1.4-rc2 or something, so not outdated anymore, just unoffical |
| 18:40.32 | gnarface | Moebius: can you mount or list the image file? |
| 18:40.41 | newdebian | i have an off-topic question, hope you will not mind. i wanna contact admin of linux.org but the website is not working after kernel hack, i tried admin@linux.org and contact@linux.org but they ar not valid, can anyone tell me that how can i contact admin of that website? |
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| 18:40.50 | gnarface | somiaj: oh thanks for the heads up somiaj - they must have just been recently updated in the last week or two then |
| 18:40.51 | Moebius | gnarface, mount using what? |
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| 18:41.00 | Moebius | gnarface, i can only browse it or restore using the same Acronis. |
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| 18:41.24 | Moebius | gnarface, listen.. what is the secure deletion tool here on Debian? |
| 18:41.33 | Moebius | gnarface, i think i saw it somewhere, just forgot what exactly it was |
| 18:41.34 | Iridos | Moebius, it all depends on how this program of yours works... without knowing that, all is guessing in the dark |
| 18:41.41 | gnarface | Moebius: i don't know it depends on the image type but its common for backup programs to use a archive format that is directly usable with lower-level tools |
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| 18:42.09 | Iridos | Moebius, there are several ones |
| 18:42.12 | newdebian | gnarface, mount -t iso9660 path/to/iso path/to/mountpoint -o loop |
| 18:42.16 | gnarface | Moebius: secure deletion? like, writing zeros 100 times after delete? i forget but someone has made a drive-wiper utility |
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| 18:42.17 | Moebius | Iridos, name at least anyt |
| 18:42.27 | newdebian | gnarface, i think...,if my memory is correct |
| 18:42.31 | gnarface | Moebius: <newdebian> gnarface, mount -t iso9660 path/to/iso path/to/mountpoint -o loop |
| 18:42.43 | Iridos | Moebius, apt-cache search wipe disk |
| 18:42.52 | Moebius | gnarface, Acronis uses .dib format, not iso. |
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| 18:42.55 | slidesinger | Having trouble finding what is holding up my sound card. lsof | grep snd and lsof | grep dsp show nothing, also tried using fuser /dev/snd/* and fuser /dev/dsp as well. No indication that there is a sound operation running. cat /proc/asound/cards shows the card available: 1 [Set ]: USB-Audio - USB Headphone Set USB Headphone Set at usb-0000:00:1d.0-1.6, full speed Suggestions? |
| 18:42.56 | Moebius | gnarface, unfortunatelly. |
| 18:42.58 | gnarface | newdebian: that would work for cdrom isos. |
| 18:43.20 | gnarface | newdebian: Moebius is trying to mount Acronis. do you know anything about .dibs ? tell Moebius |
| 18:43.20 | newdebian | gnarface, what is your file type? |
| 18:43.32 | delvalle26 | shred tool? For deleting? |
| 18:43.33 | gnarface | newdebian: -> Moebius (please remove the middle man) |
| 18:43.41 | Iridos | slidesinger, is it working in any program? |
| 18:43.55 | slidesinger | No |
| 18:43.56 | gnarface | newdebian: its Moebius, i still use tar |
| 18:43.56 | Iridos | dpkg, tell slidesinger about alsa checklist |
| 18:44.18 | Iridos | slidesinger, then there's no reason to assume something is blocking it |
| 18:44.29 | Moebius | newdebian, like i said, Acronis uses .dib format, not ISO. |
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| 18:44.54 | Moebius | anyways... i wanna know how to clean up the partition of possible file leftovers after removal |
| 18:45.02 | gnarface | slidesinger: you can verify if any programs are using the soundcard module with lsmod (its the integer listed next to the memory footprint) |
| 18:45.25 | delvalle26 | dpkg, tell Moebius about shred |
| 18:45.31 | gnarface | slidesinger: its common for people to forget that with sound enabled in KDE or Gnome or the like, your window manager itself may be whats tying up the soundcard |
| 18:45.34 | Moebius | thanks |
| 18:45.34 | slidesinger | When I try to start aqualung I get the following: Probing ALSA driver... device busy |
| 18:45.59 | delvalle26 | no problem, there is always dd as well |
| 18:46.00 | Greg10 | Hi, I'm having problems with detachtty on a paravirtualized (OpenVZ i believe) Debian vServer - When trying to start it simply says: ,,detach: Can't fork: Permission denied''. The user I'm trying to run detachtty with is unprivelidged but has write access to both /dev/ptmx and /dev/pts (I found no other paths in detachtty's source). Any ideas what I might do to fix this problem? |
| 18:46.07 | Iridos | gnarface, not if nuffin's using the sound devices |
| 18:46.08 | slidesinger | gnarface: using icewm and no desktop environment. |
| 18:46.17 | gnarface | hmm |
| 18:46.22 | gnarface | are you in the audio group? |
| 18:46.25 | gnarface | see if it works as root |
| 18:46.29 | gnarface | i'm sure that's on the checklist |
| 18:46.36 | Iridos | it is :) |
| 18:46.36 | slidesinger | Looking at the checklist now. |
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| 18:46.39 | newdebian | nope, no idea, nver heard of .dib |
| 18:46.41 | newdebian | :( |
| 18:47.38 | gnarface | slidesinger: its rare but occasionally something will crash and lock up the driver (like vlc) and you may have to manually kill -9 the program then reload the module to get sound back up |
| 18:47.38 | delvalle26 | google search come up for dib as a bmp format? |
| 18:47.54 | delvalle26 | weird |
| 18:48.12 | gnarface | maybe its actually just a cpio.tar.gz like debs? |
| 18:48.16 | Iridos | delvalle26, it's just some proprietary/custom format for some proprietary program that the company made up |
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| 18:48.51 | slidesinger | Ahhh, we may be onto something. aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav ALSA lib confmisc.c:768:(parse_card) cannot find card '0' seems to be the relevant as the USB audio is showing up as card 1. |
| 18:49.11 | Iridos | I find it quite useless to speculate why some proprietary software would fail in that way... |
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| 18:49.23 | delvalle26 | well if it's a windows program, you can try your luck at vm and convert it to a normal format |
| 18:49.28 | slidesinger | So I need to change one or the other, I'm thinking. |
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| 18:50.00 | somiaj | slidesinger: aplay -l |
| 18:50.39 | slidesinger | **** List of PLAYBACK Hardware Devices **** card 1: Set [USB Headphone Set], device 0: USB Audio [USB Audio] Subdevices: 1/1 Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 |
| 18:51.09 | slidesinger | Seems the device is in there twice somehow. |
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| 18:51.48 | slidesinger | Wait, that's not right. Card1 device 0, that's one instance. |
| 18:52.11 | gnarface | slidesinger: they have subdevices too |
| 18:52.57 | Iridos | dpkg, alsa default |
| 18:52.57 | dpkg | Use the /etc/asound.conf or ~/.asoundrc configuration files to set your default sound card. See http://alsa.opensrc.org/FAQ026 for more information. |
| 18:53.15 | olri | is security.debian.org apt source defect at the moment ? |
| 18:53.24 | Iridos | looks at the topic |
| 18:53.26 | gnarface | slidesinger: here's a pasetbin of aplay -l on my system currently (single onboard soundcard) http://pastebin.com/GXAShvzY |
| 18:54.07 | slidesinger | Thanks. |
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| 18:54.19 | gnarface | Iridos: i'd recommend trying to change the soundcard order with modprobe [device driver] index=[order index] instead of ~/.asoundrc ... just cause the docs on ~/.asoundrc suck |
| 18:54.54 | gnarface | slidesinger: aplay -L may also be useful to you (lists the logical devices as alsa sees them) |
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| 18:55.32 | gnarface | slidesinger: http://pastebin.com/kiAximdr here is a paste of what that looks like on the same system |
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| 18:56.04 | slidesinger | CARD=Set,DEV=0 several times. |
| 18:56.14 | gnarface | completely normal |
| 18:56.32 | gnarface | record/playback channels all show up separately |
| 18:56.49 | gnarface | i rarely ever use them all |
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| 18:57.06 | Iridos | gnarface, that should then go into /etc/modprobe.d/aliases.conf (I guess) - but ~/.asoundrc works for normal users - anyway, I'm not sure if either is a good idea, as this is a usb soundcard (i.e. a usb headset or the like) |
| 18:57.08 | olri | security packages are brocken, thanx for the channel title |
| 18:57.20 | Iridos | olri, :D |
| 18:57.36 | Iridos | olri, wanted to say "yes", but forgot |
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| 18:58.03 | gnarface | Iridos: i'm not sure usb soundcards are even a good idea, but FWIW that would go into any *.conf file in /etc/modprobe.d just as well (i like to make my own called options.conf just to make sure it will never get overwritten by accident) |
| 18:58.09 | olri | lridos thanx too |
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| 18:59.01 | klync | i wish i had more opportunity to hang in this channel, but debian gives me the fewest problems of all the distros I use :'( |
| 18:59.37 | slidesinger | gnarface: This is a temporary sound card until I can get the (nearly) $500.00 pcie card for the interface. (RME for Ardour) |
| 18:59.43 | gnarface | haha klync |
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| 19:00.15 | gnarface | slidesinger: fancy. so do you have an onboard card too or something showing up that's moving the usb card down an index? |
| 19:00.20 | Iridos | klync, you could try to answer some questions :) |
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| 19:01.01 | slidesinger | gnarface: No onboard card, is a DP xeon mainboard. |
| 19:01.04 | klync | Iridos: true |
| 19:01.28 | gnarface | slidesinger: oh, cause another common solution to this problem is to simply remove/disable the other card in the BIOS, but its not necessary because you can control the load order |
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| 19:02.25 | slidesinger | gnarface: do you have a link to docs describing that process? (controlling the load order) |
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| 19:04.39 | gnarface | slidesinger: no i don't, unfortunately, but i can show you an example of my old /etc/modprobe.d/options.conf from when i had two soundcards |
| 19:04.57 | gnarface | slidesinger: maybe Iridos has links to docs on the ~/.asoundrc method |
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| 19:05.23 | slidesinger | Thanks. Got the .asoundrc docs. |
| 19:05.37 | gnarface | slidesinger: http://pastebin.com/ZnSVYGcc |
| 19:05.58 | gnarface | slidesinger: ignore everything in there but the two lines that have index= in them |
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| 19:06.25 | slidesinger | gnarface: Thanks much. |
| 19:06.48 | infinity_ | i corrupted a partition. i need to reinstall /bin and /sbin. how might i do that? |
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| 19:06.58 | gnarface | slidesinger: in fact you can probably ignore all the other options too. all you should need to do is set the index= value and remove then re-load the relevant soundcard module |
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| 19:07.53 | gnarface | infinity_: without restoring from backup you mean? you'd probably have to force-reinstall every package that had a file in either of those places. too bad the programs you use to install things were included there... |
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| 19:08.51 | slidesinger | So we're talking: options snd_usb_audio index=0 should be all I need? |
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| 19:09.13 | gnarface | slidesinger: yea; in that file when i had the live card in there still it was index=0 so it would come up before the snd_hda_intel onboard one (onboard cards almost always post first) |
| 19:09.32 | infinity_ | gnarface: hmmm. okay. that helps a bit. |
| 19:09.37 | slidesinger | I'll give it a shot. |
| 19:09.48 | infinity_ | gnarface: can you tell apt to use a different directory as root? |
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| 19:10.15 | gnarface | slidesinger: good luck. the only problem is its weird to me the usb soundcard is showing up as index 1 if there is no soundcard for index 0.... |
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| 19:11.23 | gnarface | infinity_: well you can tell mount to mount a different root partition - or you could boot the system with a livecd for example and use ITS tools to mount and manually repair the directories enough that you can then reboot and use apt normally... |
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| 19:12.02 | gnarface | infinity_: if you're very experienced this process is merely tedious, but if you're new this may be a frustrating epic battle |
| 19:12.45 | slidesinger | gnarface: Bingo! |
| 19:12.57 | gnarface | slidesinger: it works? |
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| 19:12.58 | slidesinger | Thanks. |
| 19:13.05 | gnarface | slidesinger: hooray! |
| 19:13.12 | kallisti | so it looks like wpa_supplicant doesn't come installed with the "broadcom" driver? |
| 19:13.30 | infinity_ | gnarface: i can't mount a different root because bin,sbin are part of root. |
| 19:13.33 | gnarface | dpkg tell kallisti about broadcom |
| 19:13.42 | infinity_ | gnarface: i can't chroot, because root doesn't even have a shell |
| 19:13.45 | slidesinger | gnarface: Was going crazy with no Miles. |
| 19:14.03 | gnarface | slidesinger: hehe |
| 19:14.17 | slidesinger | gnarface: That's my thinking music. |
| 19:14.25 | kallisti | gnarface: if I hadn't already looked at the wiki I wouldn't be here. |
| 19:14.38 | gnarface | infinity_: yea so you'd need to livecd boot, and manually download+copy stuff over the hard way, until you had enough tools left in there to re-install everything else |
| 19:14.41 | infinity_ | gnarface: what i'd like is apt-get --root=/fix install sysvinit |
| 19:14.50 | kallisti | how do I get the "broadcom" driver for wpa_supplicant? |
| 19:14.55 | infinity_ | :( |
| 19:15.10 | slidesinger | I thank you, my clients thank you, and my family thanks you. (George M Cohan, paraphrased.) |
| 19:15.21 | gnarface | kallisti: i'm pretty sure it mentions it. no? i'm assuming you just don't have contrib and non-free in your sources.list |
| 19:15.56 | kallisti | gnarface: I do... |
| 19:16.00 | kallisti | I have broadcom-wl |
| 19:16.03 | kallisti | that's not what I'm talking about. |
| 19:16.27 | gnarface | infinity_: well if you HAVE a replacement root on hand, you can mount with a livecd to edit your /etc/fstab to point to it. this isn't something that needs to be done at as high of a level as apt |
| 19:16.28 | infinity_ | gnarface: dpkg has a --root option! |
| 19:16.51 | gnarface | oh? didn't even know. but do you even have dpkg on there still? |
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| 19:17.09 | gnarface | kallisti: does it require a firmware package that you may be missing? |
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| 19:17.25 | infinity_ | gnarface: sysrescuecd doesn't have dpkg |
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| 19:17.34 | infinity_ | damn |
| 19:17.53 | gnarface | infinity_: i'm sure the debian livecd does. i actually still just use my trusty knoppix disk for this type of thing still. |
| 19:18.04 | kallisti | gnarface: it says it's precompiled with drivers based no what's available. I reinstalled wpasupplicant after installing broadcom-sta so I don't see why missing firmware would be an issue; |
| 19:18.43 | gnarface | kallisti: i don't either honestly, i just know that is a very common thing to be missing for people who come in complaining their broadcom card isn't working. |
| 19:18.57 | gnarface | kallisti: what does dpkg -l |grep firmware tell you? |
| 19:18.58 | olri | apt security Packages are back online, thanx |
| 19:18.58 | apt | okay, olri |
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| 19:21.22 | kallisti | gnarface: I'll have to get back to you on that one I'm not on my laptop atm |
| 19:21.44 | anddam | bye |
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| 19:21.49 | gnarface | kallisti: alright, well... good luck |
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| 19:22.43 | gnarface | kallisti: i think one reason this may seem foreign/wrong to you as a direction is that many distros (i think even debian up until recently, but i'm not sure) package the firmware with the kernel so you don't notice its there |
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| 19:22.53 | kallisti | gnarface: if you're asking if I have firmware-b43-lpphy-installer installed then the answer is no |
| 19:22.56 | kallisti | because I did it manually |
| 19:23.19 | gnarface | kallisti: i was thinking more that it would be firmware-linux-free or firmware-linux-nonfree or something like that |
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| 19:23.56 | gnarface | kallisti: there are still horribly outdated docs out there on how to cut your own firmware from the offical windows binary installers but that's not necssary anymore and i doubt it even actually works |
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| 19:24.48 | kallisti | gnarface: hm well I have firmware-linux-nonfree... I didn't realize there was a *-free so maybe that's why b43 isn't working. |
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| 19:25.44 | gnarface | kallisti: i wish i could give you more specific information but this is all based on conversations i only half paid attention to with other people who have had the same problems. if you hang out in here i'm sure someone who's actually using one of those devices successfully can tell you exactly what i'm only vaguely referring to |
| 19:25.45 | elcuco | how do I install a 32bit development environment on amd64? |
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| 19:26.09 | kallisti | basically I tried to use the b43 firmware with wpa_supplicant but it hasn't been working |
| 19:26.38 | gnarface | elcuco: there's a bunch of 32-bit compatibility packages you want to install in addition to the normal build-deps: try apt-cache search ^ia32 and apt-cache search ^lib32 to list them |
| 19:26.57 | kallisti | so I switched to broadcom-sta aka broadcom.wl aka wl but wpa_supplicant doesn't have the driver for it. |
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| 19:27.55 | gnarface | kallisti: did you actually read what the bot said, including other references to "ask me about" ? i thought there was some more info in there other than just links to some wiki you've already read |
| 19:28.01 | ArchDuke | I'm having a difficult time enabling my microphone, and am getting this error - http://pastebin.com/HVeeaV01 - I'm not quite sure what to make of it, how could I check to see if the necessary drivers are installed? |
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| 19:29.12 | converge | im looking for a good and easy backup tool for my server, someone have a sugestion ? |
| 19:29.17 | kallisti | gnarface: nothing I didn't already know. |
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| 19:29.49 | kallisti | I've been trying to set up my wireless for days now, so I'm already familiar with all the different ways to set it up. |
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| 19:29.54 | kallisti | just haven't gotten one to work.... |
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| 19:30.43 | infinity_ | any idea why this doesn't work? |
| 19:30.44 | infinity_ | root@sysresccd /q/bin % ./bash |
| 19:30.44 | infinity_ | zsh: no such file or directory: ./bash |
| 19:31.03 | infinity_ | ls -l bash says its there as 755 |
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| 19:32.32 | infinity_ | i'm going crazy. ldd bin/bash -- not a dynamic executable. ??? hows is that possible |
| 19:32.49 | timo | infinity_: what does 'file bash' say? |
| 19:33.07 | infinity_ | % file bin/bash |
| 19:33.07 | infinity_ | bin/bash: ELF 64-bit LSB executable, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.18, stripped |
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| 19:33.41 | infinity_ | timo: i compared it's md5sum from a working system. it matches. |
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| 19:34.08 | infinity_ | so its not corrupt... |
| 19:35.23 | bartus | have a problem with git package. binary is working but when trying options auto-complete i got this "a^[[m^[[Kdd c^[[m^[[Klean f^[[m^[[Kast-import log " |
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| 19:35.51 | klync | infinity_: not sure if you edited your cmdlines above or straight-pasted them, but you were in /q/bin and said "./bash" and then did "file bin/bash" (implying "./") ... so, where's the file you're trying to run? |
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| 19:36.35 | infinity_ | klync: file is in /q/bin/bash |
| 19:36.49 | infinity_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:36.50 | infinity_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:36.53 | bartus | first three cols have this "^[[m^[[K" between first and second character |
| 19:36.54 | infinity_ | but it is! |
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| 19:42.17 | althaser | what is the alternative of http://packages.debian.org/sid/policykit-gnome for GNOME3 ?? |
| 19:42.30 | jhutchins_wk | infinity_: This is on a gentoo-based systemresquecd, right? Why do you need to execute bash? Are you in some other default shell? |
| 19:43.23 | infinity_ | jhutchins_wk: i'm trying to chroot to fix a system. chroot /q /bin/bash |
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| 19:43.43 | jhutchins_wk | infinity_: Your chroot is mounted noexec |
| 19:43.54 | infinity_ | jhutchins_wk: not sure what distro sysrescuecd is. |
| 19:44.02 | jhutchins_wk | infinity_: Gentoo. |
| 19:44.15 | jhutchins_wk | infinity_: Gentoo based, as knoppix is debian based. |
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| 19:46.09 | infinity_ | jhutchins_wk: checked that. its mounted with rw options |
| 19:46.27 | infinity_ | /dev/sda1 on /q type ext3 (rw) |
| 19:46.34 | converge | im looking for a good and easy autimated backup tool for my server (database and files), someone have a sugestion ? |
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| 19:49.00 | infinity_ | i think i might have figured it out. i'm missing the file ld-2.11.2.so ...i think |
| 19:49.10 | infinity_ | standby |
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| 19:50.07 | infinity_ | new error. |
| 19:50.08 | infinity_ | root@sysresccd /q/lib64 % chroot /q /bin/bash |
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| 19:50.08 | infinity_ | bash: xmalloc: cannot allocate 4112 bytes (167936 bytes allocated) |
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| 19:52.13 | jhutchins_wk | infinity_: rw != exec |
| 19:52.49 | jhutchins_wk | infinity_: COuld be your CD image is corrupt. |
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| 19:53.04 | infinity_ | jhutchins_wk: oh. well, thats not the problem anyway. i fixed a library and now there is a new error to figure out |
| 19:53.07 | kleanchap | is there any good password manager for Debian like keepass on windows? I installed keepassx for linux but it does not read the new version of Windows keepass file. |
| 19:53.43 | LinuxApprentice | hi, i have a radeon mobility 7000 and dmesg is reporting that gpu acceleration is disabled. There is also a msg about failing to load firmware. "radeon_cp: failed to load firmware r100_cp.bin" ? how can i fix this. I can't even scroll a webpage smoothly.... |
| 19:54.03 | LinuxApprentice | i don't think there is even 2d acceleration right? |
| 19:54.10 | jhutchins_wk | infinity_: That and/or you're going to have to go to systemrescuecd support, not debian support, even though you're fixing debian what you're running isn' t debian and what's true of debian may not apply. |
| 19:54.43 | jhutchins_wk | !radeon |
| 19:54.43 | dpkg | Radeon is a brand of graphic processing units by ATI/AMD (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radeon). The radeon open source display driver is packaged for Debian as xserver-xorg-video-radeon, optionally install libgl1-mesa-dri for 3D acceleration. Also ask me about <radeon firmware>. http://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo http://x.org/wiki/radeon #radeon on irc.freenode.net. For the proprietary driver, see <fglrx>. |
| 19:55.23 | LinuxApprentice | !radeon firmware |
| 19:55.23 | dpkg | Binary-only firmware was removed from the radeon <DRM> driver at linux-2.6 2.6.29-1 (Debian bug #494009), now packaged separately in firmware-linux-nonfree. Without this package installed, poor 2D/3D performance in the <radeon> and <radeonhd> xorg drivers is commonly experienced. To acquire, ask me about <non-free sources>. This is not required for use of the <fglrx> driver. |
| 19:55.56 | LinuxApprentice | !non-free-sources |
| 19:56.16 | infinity_ | jhutchins_wk: i'm copying the entire /lib from a working debian system. |
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| 19:56.53 | debclair | hi everyone. Can you please guide me on adopting a package for maintenance? |
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| 19:58.14 | karlpinc | debclair: You might want #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org. That's the offical support channel for that sort of stuff, but you may be able to get help here too. |
| 19:58.34 | karlpinc | infinity_: That does not sound like a good thing to do if you're planning to use the system afterwards. |
| 19:58.53 | shagoyjo | Aha. And I see from the subject that the package update error I'm having is a known issue right now? |
| 19:58.55 | karlpinc | debclair: There's probably something in the developer docs on the developer page via debian.org.... |
| 19:59.01 | infinity_ | karlpinc: awesomeness ... chroot works |
| 19:59.12 | infinity_ | karlpinc: why not? same distro and version |
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| 20:00.08 | Morn___ | Tatsache ist, dass a/names |
| 20:00.13 | karlpinc | infinity_: Exactly the same packages installed? Package managers exist for a reason. Most likely you'll just have extra cruft (and you get timestamp errors if you ever do a serious security validation), but it's hard to say. |
| 20:00.39 | bool | hmm... my ram usage shows 97% usage :p |
| 20:00.47 | elcuco | gnarface: ok, installed libc6-dev-i386, gcc-multilib and now basic things do work. How do I get freetype for example? |
| 20:00.56 | karlpinc | bool: That is good. Unused ram is wasted ram. |
| 20:01.13 | infinity_ | karlpinc: not exactly. the system i'm copying from is the most basic system i could think of. |
| 20:01.14 | karlpinc | bool: You'll want to see how much is used for disk buffering. |
| 20:01.18 | elcuco | gnarface: just in case you forgot, I asked about i386 development on amd64 :) |
| 20:01.19 | bool | karlpinc, not unused... used |
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| 20:01.34 | karlpinc | bool: Yes. You want your ram to be used. |
| 20:01.36 | infinity_ | karlpinc: i agree with you. its not ideal, but i need something to work |
| 20:01.47 | infinity_ | karlpinc: or the other tools are dead as well. |
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| 20:02.22 | bool | karlpinc, i'm just not used to see that much of usage :p |
| 20:02.40 | GTRsdk | What is a good converting program that converts m4v movies to AVI? |
| 20:02.51 | kevlarman | ffmpeg |
| 20:02.56 | karlpinc | infinity_: Yes. Nothing like having a working computer. :-) You might clean up by copying your data after doing an <aptitude clone>. |
| 20:04.15 | gnarface | elcuco: yea i think some stuff still uses the headers from the 64-bit dev packages. so you ALSO will need the 64-bit libfreetype6-dev package for example (they're almost all named the same as the runtime lib package but with -dev appended to the name) |
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| 20:04.58 | gnarface | elcuco: a word of warning the jpeg8 libraries break 32-bit wine builds on amd64 systems currently, stick with jpeg62b until they work it out |
| 20:05.20 | kevlarman | gnarface: nope |
| 20:05.23 | LinuxApprentice | i installed the 'linux-nonfree-firmware' and dmesg reported that the firmware loaded fine for my radeon. Hoever, now 2d performance is worse? |
| 20:05.31 | infinity_ | karlpinc: i'll check into that. thanks. |
| 20:05.36 | kevlarman | just the headers cause a problem when building |
| 20:05.37 | gnarface | kevlarman: they fixed that too now? |
| 20:05.41 | gnarface | kevlarman: oh. that's what i meant |
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| 20:05.45 | karlpinc | bool: Compared to what? Use 'ps axvk rss' to investigate. |
| 20:06.01 | gnarface | kevlarman: stop splitting hairs with me in a misleading way, i'm just trying to steer them away from problem packages |
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| 20:06.13 | LinuxApprentice | i can't even scroll a webpage with text on it only without lag |
| 20:06.17 | kevlarman | gnarface: then specify the -dev package |
| 20:06.31 | kevlarman | gnarface: there are things that actually depend on jpeg8 that there's no reason to remove |
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| 20:06.47 | infinity_ | is there a force reinstall possible with apt-get ? it would be easier than using dpkg |
| 20:06.49 | kevlarman | both of the libjpeg versions can coexist |
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| 20:06.58 | karlpinc | LinuxApprentice: I've got that problem too... On more than one box. Although it's not screen lag, it's mouse input lag. |
| 20:07.05 | gnarface | kevlarman: there's a problem though with that; you break debian because the debian packages don't want both to exist. it uninstalls the old one |
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| 20:07.18 | bool | karlpinc, looks normal :) |
| 20:07.24 | kevlarman | gnarface: no, debian is fine with letting both be installed |
| 20:07.32 | karlpinc | LinuxApprentice: I was thinking about installing the new X from backports to see if that improves things. |
| 20:07.36 | gnarface | kevlarman: not both with both -dev packages |
| 20:07.44 | bool | karlpinc, my web-browser just hanged, so i suspect that was the reason |
| 20:08.00 | kevlarman | yes, the -dev packages conflict, but the libraries don't |
| 20:09.05 | gnarface | kevlarman: yes you were right, i was wrong. my statement was incorrect because i typed 'library' rather than specifying that i meant just the -dev packages. feel better? |
| 20:09.05 | karlpinc | bool: vmstat also helps, if there's lots of swapping. iceweasel/firefox sucks ram it seems. |
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| 20:09.20 | LinuxApprentice | karlpinc: i don't know if my radeon kms is setup properly because when i typed that command to see a config output option there was none listed but would that cause this problem we both have? dmesg reports it's drawing to the radeon fb, is that normal? |
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| 20:10.03 | karlpinc | LinuxApprentice: Dunno. I hate kms because it makes my console fonts so teensy as to be unusable. I want my 80x24 screen back. |
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| 20:10.56 | justinas | Good morning, ladies and gentlemen! |
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| 20:11.29 | justinas | I had a question. How long does it take for the new nVidia drivers to show up in testing? They were released on the 13th of February. |
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| 20:11.37 | LinuxApprentice | karlpinc: dmesg reports radeon kms is enabled....... |
| 20:11.37 | justinas | Testing still contains the old 290.10. |
| 20:11.53 | bool | karlpinc, i have deactivated swap :p |
| 20:11.59 | kevlarman | ,versions nvidia-glx |
| 20:12.02 | judd | Package: nvidia-glx on i386 -- lenny/non-free: 173.14.09-5; squeeze/non-free: 195.36.31-6; squeeze-backports/non-free: 280.13.really.275.36-1~bpo60+1; sid/non-free: 295.20-1; wheezy/non-free: 295.20-1; experimental/non-free: 295.20-1+exp1 |
| 20:12.09 | gnarface | bool: don't do that |
| 20:12.20 | LinuxApprentice | karlpinc: do you think if i used another kernel it would be better? what kernel are you using? |
| 20:12.22 | justinas | Aha. |
| 20:12.23 | kevlarman | justinas: ^looks like .20 is already there |
| 20:12.24 | bool | gnarface, why? |
| 20:12.49 | infinity_ | wow. i got the computer to boot. it still has issues ,but it booted. for example, 'ifconfig' doesn't work. lol |
| 20:12.52 | gnarface | bool: leading cause of peole coming in here bitching about "WHY THE FUCK IS APT RUNNING OUT OF MEMORY OMG DEBIAN IS BULLSHIT!" is people running without swap |
| 20:13.04 | justinas | Superb. Then something is wrong with the dk mirror. |
| 20:13.32 | gnarface | infinity_: you're back from an adventure with a livecd, in that system which you formerly borked your /bin and /sbin partitions? |
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| 20:13.57 | bool | gnarface, haha :p i'll try to remember that |
| 20:14.17 | bool | even if apt shouldnt have a problem when i have 8gb of ram |
| 20:14.42 | gnarface | bool: everyone tells you that removing swap speeds lots of shit up in practical use... which is 100% true, but they always forget to understore the importance of the fact that *then you're running without swap* see, physical ram != swap, and will not always by default serve as a substitute |
| 20:15.03 | justinas | kevlarman: Exactly. I was using the DK mirror, changed to some other mirror and voila, the new driver. |
| 20:15.06 | justinas | Thanks, man. |
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| 20:15.15 | gnarface | bool: you'll rarely see problems, just remember it IS a potential issue |
| 20:16.29 | gnarface | bool: 8GB sounds like plenty but then 1.5GB sounded like plenty too but i've ran out of that on a debian-ppc laptop that didn't have swap, just doing a normal apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 20:16.37 | bool | the only problem i have had this far is when chromium hanged, but it got resolved automatically after some waiting |
| 20:16.40 | infinity_ | gnarface: not completely back. but it booted. i have to go back into rescue mode now and fix a few more things |
| 20:17.04 | Iridos | gnarface, actually leading reason for apt having not enough memory is that default APT::Cache-Limit is pretty low |
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| 20:18.08 | gnarface | Iridos: it can be addressed by changing that, instead of adding swap, yes, but what i'm not sure of is what else may also run into issues. there are games that actually slow down if you remove swap, or crash |
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| 20:18.28 | Iridos | gnarface, it's got nothing to do with swap or physical ram |
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| 20:18.38 | gnarface | Iridos: yea its bad coding usually |
| 20:18.48 | gnarface | Iridos: but the fact remains that if you omit swap some stuff will break |
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| 20:19.05 | gnarface | Iridos: including APT itself, even if its merely due to a default which is changeable by config |
| 20:19.07 | LinuxApprentice | why when i issue the command to install the radeon driver from backports it doesn't install? do i need use a backported kernel to install backported software? |
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| 20:19.24 | gnarface | Iridos: new users won't know the difference, to them "debian broke" |
| 20:19.33 | infinity_ | gnarface: it booted but none of the lvm's were acceable. |
| 20:19.54 | Iridos | gnarface, well... if you run out of virtual memory, you run out of... the more memory you have, the less likely it is to happen |
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| 20:19.58 | gnarface | infinity_: is your package list intact? does dpkg -l show you what you had installed? |
| 20:20.15 | Iridos | bool, Mem: 12470624k total, 5959592k used, 6511032k free, 420k buffers Swap: 30273972k total, 0k used, 30273972k free, 1464164k cached |
| 20:20.19 | LinuxApprentice | i just installed the radeon firmware and 2d acceleration is horrible, I am trying to fix it. I can't even scroll text on a webpage without serious lag |
| 20:20.25 | Iridos | bool, I would add swap... when you need it, you need it |
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| 20:20.47 | gnarface | bool: yea, and if you got 8GB of ram i'm sure you got plenty of harddrive space too |
| 20:20.55 | infinity_ | gnarface: is there a way to verify packages? |
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| 20:21.25 | gnarface | infinity_: someone told me about something called 'cruft' but there are probably other ways. you could do it manually with dpkg -L [package name] which lists a package's contents |
| 20:21.32 | Iridos | bool, as you see mine didn't get used today either... but then I think the couple of G won't make a huge difference in disk space either |
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| 20:21.39 | bool | Iridos, yes, i'll add swap the next time i format my computer. i currently installed debian just for fun, but have since falled in love |
| 20:22.26 | gnarface | infinity_: you could also just force-reinstall them all which would work just as well probably |
| 20:22.29 | Iridos | (also I hope you effing noticed I have 4G more ram than you :P ) |
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| 20:23.57 | Iridos | bool, btw. another thing - you cannot hibernate the machine right now... that's done by writing the memory to swap |
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| 20:24.46 | gnarface | Iridos: Mem: 49558640 43542604 6016036 0 661220 39105864 :-p |
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| 20:25.01 | gnarface | Swap: 19530744 32 19530712 |
| 20:25.17 | gnarface | can never have too much |
| 20:25.23 | jhutchins_wk | Iridos: iirc you can configure that. |
| 20:25.23 | Skrzyp | Hi again. |
| 20:25.24 | infinity_ | gnarface: this looks like an awesome website!! http://arthurdejong.org/recovery.html |
| 20:25.30 | infinity_ | my wholy grail |
| 20:25.31 | infinity_ | maybe |
| 20:25.43 | gnarface | haha... well good luck |
| 20:25.45 | bool | Iridos, i dont do hibernating. i do suspend because that is faster (and has less write operations) |
| 20:25.49 | Skrzyp | I have a problem with my very old graphics card in old laptop. |
| 20:26.00 | Skrzyp | Trident 9525DVD ;/ |
| 20:26.13 | LinuxApprentice | Skrzyp: what's your problem? |
| 20:26.16 | Skrzyp | It's not working under default X configuration |
| 20:26.53 | Skrzyp | I tried vesa/fbdev drivers, but it not works too |
| 20:27.01 | Iridos | gnarface, 50G? |
| 20:27.47 | gnarface | Iridos: plus or minus :) |
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| 20:27.56 | gnarface | Iridos: 47 |
| 20:27.58 | jhutchins_wk | Skrzyp: Do you get a text interface? |
| 20:28.07 | giakar | ciao list |
| 20:28.13 | Iridos | looks like I NEED MORE RAM |
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| 20:28.38 | Skrzyp | jhutchins_wk: yup. I'm in it. With 1024x768 framebuffer. |
| 20:28.44 | Iridos | (actually not, I don't think I managed to fill the 12G more than once yet, and that was just insane) |
| 20:28.56 | Skrzyp | Windows 200 with drivers works at this resolution too |
| 20:29.05 | gnarface | only when my nvidia drivers have a memory leak |
| 20:29.11 | Iridos | gnarface, ever tried hibernating that? |
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| 20:29.36 | Skrzyp | My Xorg.conf: |
| 20:29.38 | gnarface | Iridos: haha no, actually its only even been rebooted once. that's a new one |
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| 20:29.46 | Iridos | hm, but then you cannot - if that's 50G RAM and only 20G swap.. |
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| 20:29.58 | Skrzyp | http://pastebin.com/0xwL3d0b |
| 20:30.03 | Iridos | or am I reading that somehow wrong and that's ram+swap |
| 20:30.07 | Skrzyp | and Xorg.0.log |
| 20:30.14 | gnarface | hmm. i don't actually know. i've yet to try hibernation in linux |
| 20:30.19 | gnarface | Iridos: ^^ |
| 20:30.23 | Skrzyp | http://pastebin.com/b0U7wtbK |
| 20:30.29 | Iridos | gnarface, well, so how much physical ram do you have? |
| 20:30.38 | jhutchins_wk | Skrzyp: http://www.x.org/archive/current/doc/man/man4/trident.4.xhtml |
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| 20:32.06 | Iridos | gnarface, you confuse me... if you really have 50G ram and only 20G swap, that's also too little... need more swap than ram (certainly to hibernate) |
| 20:32.10 | jhutchins_wk | thinks it unlikely that a system with 50G of RAM will have the ACPI interface for hibernation. |
| 20:32.16 | Iridos | he he |
| 20:32.19 | Iridos | jhutchins_wk, one can but hope! |
| 20:32.47 | gnarface | Iridos: that's assuming i'm planning on hibernating it. i don't even shut it down. |
| 20:33.00 | Iridos | well, fairysnuff |
| 20:33.47 | Iridos | it's just one of the points where I realized that the rule-of-thumb of swap=1.5-3Xram actually had more meaning than one sometimes thinks |
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| 20:34.42 | Iridos | gnarface, anyway... would have been interesting... I stopped hibernating since I increased the amount of ram - takes too bloody long to read that all back in |
| 20:34.43 | jhutchins_wk | I guess I tend to run linux mostly on server grade hardware. I'll have to check to see if my newer C2 motherboard supports it. |
| 20:34.58 | Skrzyp | jhutchins_wk: hah, how it can help me? |
| 20:35.07 | Iridos | I wonder how bad it gets with increasing amounts |
| 20:35.15 | Skrzyp | I readed, simple manpage :) |
| 20:35.20 | gnarface | jhutchins_wk: what i wonder is if my old toshiba satellite pro 405CS laptop can do it |
| 20:36.20 | Iridos | jhutchins_wk, admittedly, there's probably not much demand for it :) |
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| 20:36.30 | jhutchins_wk | Well, a lot of people would want their desktop to sleep when they're not using it, but not have the hassle of powering it down every time. |
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| 20:36.42 | Iridos | although... one never knows... if people could only use everything the way the programmers thought they would, how boring would that be |
| 20:36.43 | bigman | hi |
| 20:36.49 | jhutchins_wk | I keep mine up because I use it as a relay server. |
| 20:37.28 | gnarface | i think of it primarily as a laptop feature |
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| 20:37.38 | jhutchins_wk | My wife's LTSP box effectively does sleep when the screen powers off. |
| 20:37.53 | gnarface | because you can sleep any laptop these days, but then your backpack might catch on fire while you're driving to lunch |
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| 20:38.28 | gnarface | hibrnation also saves batteries because you don't waste time booting all the same programs again too |
| 20:38.35 | jhutchins_wk | gnarface: That's the only place I've seen it, but then again my hardware was either servers or fairly old - until my AGP graphics card exploded. |
| 20:38.36 | kevlarman | gnarface: um what? |
| 20:38.47 | kevlarman | how does sleep cause flaming backpacks? |
| 20:39.13 | gnarface | kevlarman: hyperbole - i'm speaking an exaggeration for the sake of humor. |
| 20:39.17 | jhutchins_wk | kevlarman: How else do you explain them? |
| 20:39.22 | Iridos | I think he's using rocket fuel to power it |
| 20:39.23 | gnarface | kevlarman: its likely only merely bad for your ram |
| 20:39.45 | Iridos | s/it/his laptop/ |
| 20:39.56 | kevlarman | jhutchins_wk: <aliens guy>sony batteries</aliens guy> |
| 20:40.04 | gnarface | haha also that |
| 20:40.25 | gnarface | although that would happen sitting on a flat surface even |
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| 20:44.57 | somiaj | gnarface: how would it be any worse for your ram than running a server 24/7? |
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| 20:46.00 | somiaj | now that my desktop supends properly (well it probabaly has for a while I just never looked into it until about a year ago when I got a laptop), I turn it off way more as opposed to just letting it run |
| 20:46.07 | gnarface | somiaj: your average backpack in a car driving to lunch is significantly less well ventilated than the datacenter a computer running 24/7 is |
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| 20:46.25 | gnarface | is in |
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| 20:46.51 | somiaj | gnarface: sure but you shouldn't need ventalation while in suspended (though suspend has been finky on my laptop and I got it to my office fairly hot from sitting in my pack) |
| 20:47.19 | gnarface | somiaj: all i know is the inside of my backpack gets frighteningly hot if i leave a suspended laptop in there. i am sure it also depends on the laptop model |
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| 20:47.52 | somiaj | gnarface: I don't notice any difference with my laptop in suspend, though as I said I had a few times I thought I suspended it (But it resumed without me knowing) and it got way to hot. |
| 20:48.12 | gnarface | other fun fact, i once burned out 1.5GB of ram bootstrapping gentoo on that laptop (it was not in a backpack) and i recently had to decommission it because the power cable became a fire hazard in normal use |
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| 20:49.00 | jhutchins_wk | Sounds like generalized power management issues. |
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| 20:49.14 | Trewas | somiaj: suspend needs to have the RAM refreshed and that takes some energy, which is a lot more than hibernate |
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| 20:49.38 | trysten | Trewas: refreshed? |
| 20:49.59 | gnarface | jhutchins_wk: well i suspect the problem with gentoo may have been that it built the acpi drivers last, but i can't be sure at this point, that was years ago |
| 20:50.01 | somiaj | Trewas: agreed, suspend takes power, but I am surprised it takes enough power that heat in a low ventalated place is an issue. |
| 20:50.07 | Trewas | trysten: to have their contents stored all the time |
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| 20:50.19 | cyber37 | test |
| 20:50.34 | jhutchins_wk | Funny how gentoo came and went. |
| 20:50.42 | somiaj | jhutchins_wk: went? |
| 20:50.48 | valdyn | somiaj: it does not |
| 20:50.51 | gnarface | jhutchins_wk: the power cable was probably just due to cheap metal being coiled and uncoiled too many times. it basically stopped passing power and then i could see lights inside it. i felt it and it was really hot so i unplugged it |
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| 20:51.31 | Trewas | somiaj: it does not take that many watts to have a noticeable heating effect when there is not much ventilation |
| 20:51.32 | jhutchins_wk | Yeah, when you can see the lights inside it's only a matter of time until the magic smoke escapes. |
| 20:51.35 | gnarface | somiaj: i would expect a modern laptop to do better because ddr runs at lower voltages these days |
| 20:52.05 | jhutchins_wk | somiaj: It's not the hot thing these days. |
| 20:52.07 | valdyn | keeping ram powered up is by far not enough to keep a laptop hot |
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| 20:53.01 | somiaj | jhutchins_wk: I think the omg I can compile for a very small % preformance increase disapeared....though there are a few times I still wish I ran gentoo, the use flags are very nice if you are opposed to things like dbus and the likes. (old fuddy duddy) |
| 20:53.13 | justinas | Hi, non free adobe flash video uses a lot of CPU (on testing). Is that normal? |
| 20:53.17 | justinas | How do I fix that? |
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| 20:53.30 | valdyn | justinas: you cant fix that |
| 20:53.43 | justinas | Is there any workaround? |
| 20:53.50 | valdyn | justinas: not using flash |
| 20:53.56 | somiaj | justinas: that is just flash, go talk to adobe (not that they are listening they are not create new linux flash beyond 11.2 and only doing security on that) |
| 20:53.57 | justinas | Except that. :-x |
| 20:53.57 | jhutchins_wk | gentoo basically trashed my system and required major intervention every few weeks if I tried to keep it up to date. |
| 20:54.09 | dataexplorer | hi, when I run apt-cache search file and the result is very large it pass so fast in my tty... How can I see the result paused and by column??? |
| 20:54.35 | gnarface | justinas: unfortunately yes its normal, and no there's no workaround (although you can re-encode the content to be easier on the cpus as easily as you can re-code it to be hard on them, its always going to be disproportionate to things like vlc playing mpegs because flash just really does suck that hard. ) |
| 20:54.42 | justinas | Ok. Are there any viable free flash alternatives that support flash videos? |
| 20:54.53 | valdyn | justinas: all in all flash is just a bad program. It will ideall use to much cpu and run fast enough or use to much cpu and not run fast enough in the worst case |
| 20:55.09 | somiaj | jhutchins_wk: I'd like to see a nice debian build system that is kinda a hybrid. For the most part I like binary packages, but ocosaionlly there are a few packages that have dependences I don't want or need and be nice to have a smooth way to have them compiled/upgraded. |
| 20:55.16 | jhutchins_wk | justinas: There is gnash which, in most cases, will not work. |
| 20:55.20 | gnarface | justinas: yes, there are actually if you only need compatibility up to flash 7 |
| 20:55.44 | gnarface | justinas: the open source implementation actually work really well for flash7 but basically is ineffective for anything else |
| 20:55.44 | jhutchins_wk | somiaj: I thought the debian build scripts and utilities were pretty easy to deal with. |
| 20:55.49 | justinas | I don't use anything "flashy". Mostly, I need only youtube and other sites that provide flash videos. |
| 20:55.52 | justinas | That's all. |
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| 20:56.10 | somiaj | jhutchins_wk: oh they are, but they aren't easy to deal with on an overall system like a USE flag, you have to basically do every package by hand each time. |
| 20:56.12 | valdyn | justinas: youtube has a somewhat viable html5 mode |
| 20:56.15 | injureddeer | thx, for help |
| 20:56.25 | somiaj | justinas: youtube.com/html5 (though not all video's are shown this way) |
| 20:56.27 | justinas | I have already switched that on. |
| 20:56.30 | injureddeer | slim is fine |
| 20:56.32 | injureddeer | and very nice |
| 20:56.35 | injureddeer | :) |
| 20:56.42 | somiaj | justinas: another option is install youtube-dl, and you can just dl the file and play it in your faviorte media player |
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| 20:56.46 | kevlarman | injureddeer: and doesn't set up console-kit |
| 20:57.08 | kevlarman | and occasionally writes multigigabyte logfiles |
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| 20:57.23 | justinas | But then this probably won't work with other sites that stream videos via flash. :-/ |
| 20:57.32 | jhutchins_wk | For some reason flash doesn't play as well from a stream as it does from a local file, even with a good connection. |
| 20:57.38 | MyTh88 | could someone help me with a network problem? i get only 10 mbit throughput on my ipcop router :/ all cards are at 100 mbit! |
| 20:57.39 | gnarface | jhutchins_wk: this is what gentoo is like; its like if in your sources.list you could tell apt-get to reinstall a version of everything compiled without sdl support and with gl support instead where relevant fir example |
| 20:58.09 | dataexplorer | hi, when I run apt-cache search file and the result is very large it pass so fast in my tty... How can I see the result paused and by column??? |
| 20:58.11 | jhutchins_wk | maintained some gentoo servers WAY too long before replacing them with Debian. |
| 20:58.37 | gnarface | i tried it on one |
| 20:58.40 | gnarface | mail server |
| 20:58.42 | gnarface | big mistake |
| 20:58.47 | valdyn | dataexplorer: apt-cache search foo | more |
| 20:58.57 | somiaj | the only real thing I liked about gentoo was USE flags but the work to use them is a pain. I just hope the debian developers keep somewhat sane dependencies (which for the most part they do) |
| 20:59.01 | jhutchins_wk | dataexplorer: You can scroll back with shift-page up, or pipe to less or more. |
| 20:59.02 | valdyn | dataexplorer: though you should have a terminal where you can scroll back anyway |
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| 21:00.24 | karlpinc | dataexplorer: Reading "man less" is key, because that's how you read/search the instructions. |
| 21:00.40 | somiaj | dataexplorer: if you are really searching for a file, you should use apt-file |
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| 21:01.29 | somiaj | dataexplorer: also realize apt-cache search (and aptitude search) search the name, short and long description for your string and sometimes if you basically know the package name will return to much. Look up aptitude search patterns for a far more powerful way to search. |
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| 21:01.40 | MyTh88 | could someone help me with a network problem? i get only 10 mbit throughput on my ipcop router :/ all cards are at 100 mbit! |
| 21:01.56 | dataexplorer | valdyn: I dnt use any x aplication or grafical system... |
| 21:02.07 | valdyn | dataexplorer: your problem |
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| 21:02.20 | klync | when i do `passwd` as a user with uid <1000 I get normal password chat; when i do it with uid >1000, it thinks i'm using kerberos; where would i fix this? i think it may have been caused by something i installed but never set up (e.g. openldap, slp, or samba) |
| 21:02.21 | dataexplorer | fuck off idiot |
| 21:03.20 | gnarface | klync: that's probably your ldap configuration |
| 21:03.21 | dataexplorer | see ya!!! |
| 21:03.32 | nkuttler | !next |
| 21:03.33 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
| 21:03.37 | valdyn | klync: debian reserves certain uids for certain types of users, why are you not following that ? |
| 21:03.38 | klync | gnarface: pam.d? |
| 21:03.40 | converge_ | is someone using rsnapshot here? |
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| 21:03.44 | trysten | nkuttler: awesome |
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| 21:04.17 | klync | valdyn: no, i didn't realize that; wanted to keep same uid across (posix) servers until ldap auth is eventually set up |
| 21:04.29 | gnarface | klync: either that or openldap or maybe your ldapsearch* tools even, i forget exactly. could also be nscd/nslcd it depends a lot on your setup and i think there can be a lot of variations |
| 21:04.40 | valdyn | klync: ok, please see /etc/adduser.conf for the debian default uid ranges |
| 21:05.13 | klync | ok thanks gnarface, valdyn .... i will just modify /etc/shadow by hand if this user ever needs a new password! |
| 21:05.18 | gnarface | valdyn: but you don't necessarily want uid's below 1000 replicated across all servers if they don't have all the same daemons installed, do you? |
| 21:06.07 | gnarface | valdyn: oh that's what you were saying too, sorry |
| 21:06.13 | jhutchins_wk | gnarface: I think the ones he's replicating are >1000 |
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| 21:06.20 | jhutchins_wk | Ja. |
| 21:06.32 | valdyn | gnarface: i was just wondering why he wanted to set a password at all for an uid < 1000 |
| 21:06.39 | gnarface | right |
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| 21:08.54 | simonlnu | wtf, aptitude is hardly x based or 'grafical' (wtfever that means) |
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| 21:11.35 | klync | valdyn: my account w uid 501 was set up a *long* time ago (probably on rh6.1, but i don't remember); /home has been migrated through several OS's and physical disks over the years; suddenly, this year, i've started to have problems because of this uid (in debian and ubuntu). time for a multi-terabyte find and chown i guess |
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| 21:12.48 | gnarface | tsk tsk, distro mixing |
| 21:13.03 | gnat_x | i'm dd'in /dev/urandom to a disk that i'm prepping for encryption. if i need to to stop the dd, can i start it again further down the disk. ie. if i've made it through half the disk start at slightly before the halfway mark. |
| 21:13.22 | valdyn | gnat_x: yes |
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| 21:14.21 | jhutchins_wk | gnat_x: When you format it as encrypted it's going to do that all over again. |
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| 21:14.40 | valdyn | jhutchins_wk: that optional |
| 21:14.45 | valdyn | jhutchins_wk: that's optional |
| 21:15.01 | gnat_x | doesn't dm-crypt just write zeroes though? |
| 21:15.06 | gnat_x | that was my understanding. |
| 21:15.27 | gnat_x | but then i'm not sure how to start dd at a certain point, so what do i know. |
| 21:15.41 | jhutchins_wk | valdyn: I guess people don't know that then, or it's not an option at install-time. |
| 21:15.41 | valdyn | gnat_x: man dd, see "offset" |
| 21:16.09 | valdyn | jhutchins_wk: uh, if youre talking about the debian installer - i dont know the debian installer |
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| 21:17.16 | chaser12 | anyone relatively familiar with awk? |
| 21:17.31 | jhutchins_wk | valdyn: Only know from the "how long is this going to take on my 35TB array? questions. |
| 21:17.43 | gnat_x | jhutchins_wk: am i wrong that the crypt setup only writes zeroes through the encryption cypher? |
| 21:17.47 | chaser12 | Im printing a field, say $3…. and need to truncate it after a certain number of characters |
| 21:17.50 | valdyn | jhutchins_wk: ehe, yes, that's always funny |
| 21:17.53 | chaser12 | is there an easy way of doing so? |
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| 21:18.33 | ompaul | chaser12: you could pipe it though cut | cut -c1-25 |
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| 21:19.34 | debclair | HI, sorry for the inconvinence. I want to adopt a package, how can I do so? |
| 21:19.46 | ompaul | !mentors |
| 21:19.47 | dpkg | mentors is, like, the system the Debian project uses to train new people to become Debian Developers or Debian Maintainers and get their packages into the Debian archive. Ask me about <nmg>. http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/ http://mentors.debian.net/ #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org. |
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| 21:19.58 | e-DIO-t | sorry but: http://pastebin.com/KFBmbacm |
| 21:19.59 | e-DIO-t | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:20.18 | klync | dpkg is, like, a 13 year old girl now? oh. my. gawd. |
| 21:20.19 | dpkg | klync: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 21:20.43 | ompaul | raises an eyebrow |
| 21:21.25 | debclair | the #debian'mentos channel kicks me |
| 21:22.02 | kevlarman | debclair: are you made of pepsi? :P |
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| 21:22.08 | debclair | haha sorry |
| 21:22.20 | debclair | i meant the #debian-mentors channel |
| 21:22.29 | valdyn | e-DIO-t: read the documentation |
| 21:22.32 | ompaul | debclair: on irc.oftc.net |
| 21:22.55 | klync | e-DIO-t: maybe nproc, but you should see that outside the container - is that ovz? |
| 21:22.59 | zeloran | Can someone please check if /etc/init.d/ssh_key_hack.sh is a normal file on debian 6? |
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| 21:23.12 | klync | (i.e. you should see a warning in the logs that you hit the soft limit) |
| 21:23.22 | debclair | i already read the documentation, but i find "we don't talk about adopting here" everywhere |
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| 21:23.55 | cvelde | hm, whats going on |
| 21:23.57 | e-DIO-t | mmmh ovz is for? |
| 21:24.05 | valdyn | e-DIO-t: thats something else, ignore it |
| 21:24.14 | cvelde | my server is getting spammed like never before the last days - anyone else noticed that? |
| 21:24.43 | valdyn | e-DIO-t: you asked us about apache settings, he answered about some vm setting |
| 21:25.07 | cvelde | not that my server is getting spammed, but a general increase in spam of all sorts (mails, bruteforce logins etc.) |
| 21:25.24 | e-DIO-t | ah ok, anyway: it actually is a vm, bought somewhere by a friend, but i can't setup it [and neither him, i guess] |
| 21:25.28 | cvelde | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:25.36 | valdyn | e-DIO-t: apache is not a vm |
| 21:25.54 | e-DIO-t | omg, i know apache is not a vm |
| 21:26.12 | zeloran | Can someone please pastbin the content of etc/init.d/ssh_key_hack.sh? I'm not serious if this file i trusted. |
| 21:26.15 | e-DIO-t | but the full debian where this apache resides is :D |
| 21:26.26 | klync | is sorry for the cofusion ; assumed those limits were from a vm config, when maybe that's the contents of limits.conf |
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| 21:26.48 | e-DIO-t | doh, paste disappeared |
| 21:26.54 | valdyn | e-DIO-t: ok - now why cant you find what youre looking for in the documentation? |
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| 21:27.01 | e-DIO-t | www-data hard nproc 500 |
| 21:27.07 | cvelde | zeloran: ? |
| 21:27.39 | valdyn | e-DIO-t: you asked about threads, i thought you meant posix threads, nproc is not posix threads, that processes |
| 21:27.41 | chaser12 | ompaul: thanks for the help with awk, that worked perfectly. |
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| 21:27.54 | e-DIO-t | no, that's why i'm here: prefork and worker settings are for startup = 300 servers, and a 500 spares. limits.conf is setup for 500 nproc...and doh! |
| 21:28.15 | zeloran | i found a file in /etc/init.d im not sure about, it's called ssh_key_hack.sh |
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| 21:28.35 | zeloran | is this a legit file in debian 6 -.-? |
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| 21:28.41 | e-DIO-t | valdyn, ehm...so the, sorry for confusion: what about increasing number of apache threads? |
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| 21:29.06 | valdyn | e-DIO-t: your maxsparethreads is > threadlimit in that config, makes no sense |
| 21:29.58 | e-DIO-t | valdyn, it was just a check while i was crushing against those 240-260 limit |
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| 21:30.25 | valdyn | e-DIO-t: why are you showing us both, mpm_preform and mpm_worker while youre probably running only one at a time? |
| 21:31.54 | e-DIO-t | valdyn, i'm using prefork |
| 21:32.07 | valdyn | e-DIO-t: ok, so theres no threads |
| 21:32.16 | valdyn | e-DIO-t: theres just processes |
| 21:32.32 | e-DIO-t | valdyn, ok then...what's limiting them?! :° |
| 21:32.42 | valdyn | e-DIO-t: nproc I think |
| 21:32.54 | e-DIO-t | are you trolling? :D |
| 21:33.29 | e-DIO-t | cat /etc/security/limits.conf >> www-data hard nproc 500 |
| 21:33.45 | valdyn | e-DIO-t: yes, thats the limit |
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| 21:34.57 | anddam | hello |
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| 21:35.52 | anddam | 'sudo invoke-rc.d lighttpd start' doesn't start the webserver, while 'sudo /etc/init.d/lighttpd start' does |
| 21:36.06 | anddam | where can I look for info about why? |
| 21:36.07 | valdyn | e-DIO-t: read the documentation about "MaxClients", its explained there nicely |
| 21:36.39 | e-DIO-t | omfg .... you're damn right :( |
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| 21:36.52 | e-DIO-t | excuses and goes reading the fm. |
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| 21:42.45 | m8 | qualcuno ha dual head? |
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| 21:44.12 | trysten | !spanish |
| 21:44.12 | dpkg | Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat. |
| 21:45.06 | m8 | trysten, sorry wrong channel |
| 21:45.14 | jhutchins_wk | valdyn: Y'know, I don't know as I've ever seen that work so well. |
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| 21:47.40 | misch | hello #debian is there a more recommended freeware antivir tool out there than clamav? but as said -> freeware |
| 21:48.19 | allorder | avast ? |
| 21:48.46 | misch | avast antivir for linux? |
| 21:49.13 | misch | avast isnt that great on windows. but for linux, dont know if it is better then clamav |
| 21:49.31 | trysten | !virus |
| 21:49.31 | dpkg | it has been said that virus is a program that makes unbidden copies of itself in order to proliferate. Usually plays a role either as graffiti or for malicious intent, or a working version of Windows without Windows, or see http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ch-sec-tools.en.html#s8.8 See also <clamav>, <amavis>. |
| 21:49.44 | trysten | what is a working version of Windows without Windows? |
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| 21:50.08 | misch | what is this about? |
| 21:50.18 | misch | i asked for an antivir tool for linux / debian |
| 21:50.26 | misch | i wanna install this as well on linux / debian |
| 21:50.33 | Iridos | trysten, DOS! |
| 21:50.38 | abrotman | misch: is it linux or Debian ? |
| 21:50.46 | anddam | trysten: and btw that's Italian, not Spanish |
| 21:51.07 | misch | i use debian, its my prefered linux |
| 21:51.17 | HSorgYves | does xcache work with suexec? |
| 21:51.31 | abrotman | misch: the only aAV in Debian is clamav last i knew .. anything else, google and ask the vendor |
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| 21:52.05 | allorder | there is also avast http://www.avast.com/linux-home-edition |
| 21:52.05 | misch | well, thats good to know, i just installed clamav as it is the only freeware antivir tool i know for linux |
| 21:52.06 | Iridos | graffiti? |
| 21:52.19 | misch | and if #debian cant tell me a better one ill stay with clamav |
| 21:52.43 | allorder | dunno if its better :P |
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| 21:52.55 | engla | does clamav track even a single linux virus? |
| 21:53.04 | __import__ | misch, that factoid recommends amavis as well |
| 21:53.07 | Iridos | engla, can you name a single linux virus? |
| 21:53.16 | engla | nope |
| 21:53.22 | Cyclohexane | that's a niave question |
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| 21:54.11 | abrotman | engla: yes .. and they exist |
| 21:54.20 | injureddeer | misch: why you need antyvirus? |
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| 21:54.39 | misch | ye, ok, you know, i have a dual install win7/debian and i got a shared partition which i use on debian and win, therefore i am installing this clamav |
| 21:54.54 | arosen | Is there a debian image that you can chroot into? |
| 21:55.18 | trysten | thanks anddam |
| 21:55.18 | misch | i know that clamav knows alot of virusdefinitions known on win |
| 21:55.18 | anddam | for? |
| 21:55.19 | anddam | oh the language thing |
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| 21:55.51 | wonderworld | is there a way to find out keysize, cipher and password-hash algorh. of a twofish partition? i want to mount it with dm-crypt to get rid of cryptoloop, but i need these values. |
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| 21:56.42 | kephra | is there an archive for older pool files? |
| 21:56.52 | dondelelcaro | kephra: snapshot.debian.org |
| 21:57.04 | kephra | i need xterm_243-1 for 64bit |
| 21:57.44 | kephra | ugly utf bugs - the original author knows them - but xterm did not improve - the last stable xterm imho is 243 |
| 21:57.54 | dondelelcaro | kephra: http://snapshot.debian.org/package/xterm/243-1/ |
| 21:58.08 | kephra | *w00t* dondelelcaro ! |
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| 21:58.12 | dondelelcaro | kephra: if there are bugs, please file them. |
| 21:58.21 | dondelelcaro | kephra: if they are already filed, please make patches for them. |
| 21:58.43 | kephra | will NOT file a debian bug - because debian publishes email address on the web ! |
| 21:58.54 | Obreiro_GZ | Hi everybody. Do you know how I can change the default size of the /tmp partition in debian testing? |
| 21:58.59 | kephra | and requires an email address to file a bug ;-( |
| 21:59.02 | engla | wonderworld: isn't that in crypttab? |
| 21:59.39 | streuner_ | kephra: there are lots of mail adresses in the world... |
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| 22:00.07 | streuner_ | kephra: just use an mail account which is never used in future..., done. |
| 22:00.14 | Obreiro_GZ | Hi everybody. Do you know how can I change the default size of the /tmp partition in debian testing? |
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| 22:00.28 | kephra | dont want to lose an email address again - just because of filing a bug - i'm in mail contact with the xterm author - but last stable is 243 ;-( |
| 22:00.33 | streuner_ | kephra: thats no problem, IMO. |
| 22:00.45 | streuner_ | kephra: create a new one then |
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| 22:01.18 | streuner_ | use your brain |
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| 22:04.18 | misch | can someone explain whats the difference between ephiphany and firefox? it should be the same or? |
| 22:04.34 | misch | *same browser* |
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| 22:04.52 | gnat_x | misch: different rendering engines, i believe. |
| 22:05.06 | gnat_x | isn't ephiphany webkit? |
| 22:05.12 | m8 | Anyone have dual head with debian? I want to rotate one of two monitor, but in the system i see one big monitor |
| 22:05.37 | misch | i did an aptitude search firefox, but no real success, there is only firefox-firegpg |
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| 22:05.52 | in2tactics | misch: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=epiphany+web+browser |
| 22:05.57 | streuner_ | !iceweasel |
| 22:05.58 | dpkg | Iceweasel is a DFSG-free fork of Firefox, which replaces it in Debian as of Etch. It is not GNU's Firefox fork (now known as <IceCat>). Ask me about <why iceweasel> and <iceweasel user-agent>. Use gnome-default-applications-properties to change settings such as the mail reader. See also <iceweasel backports>. http://wiki.debian.org/Iceweasel |
| 22:05.58 | misch | gnat_x ephiphany is my current brower |
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| 22:07.52 | Somelauw | Something I don't get is the conflict between apt-get and aptitude. Ubuntu people seem to prefer apt-get whereas debian people prefer aptitude. Both can purge packages. |
| 22:08.03 | engla | misch: epiphany is completely different |
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| 22:08.38 | gnat_x | misch: iceweasel, as has been pointed out. and epiphany runs webkit as its rendering engine, so it is closer to something like chromium. |
| 22:08.45 | misch | engla, i want to install those noscript and adblock plugins which i can find via aptitude search, so, |
| 22:09.17 | misch | those plugins works then on iceweasel? |
| 22:09.35 | gnat_x | misch: the xul-ext ones? |
| 22:09.51 | misch | mozilla-noscript |
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| 22:10.13 | engla | misch: yes they are for iceweasel |
| 22:10.22 | misch | k |
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| 22:11.41 | gnat_x | misch: try an aptitude search of xul-ext- |
| 22:12.05 | engla | firegpg is apparently discontinued. |
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| 22:13.45 | gnat_x | gmail killed it apparently. |
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| 22:14.41 | misch | gnat_x all those plugins are also available from iceweasel, aptitude search iceweasel |
| 22:15.10 | gnat_x | misch: hrm. so they are. |
| 22:15.12 | misch | so i better install those iceweasel plugins cuz i wanna use iceweasel !? |
| 22:15.39 | engla | gnat_x: it's not a safe solution any way, when you let cleartext touch text fields in web pages |
| 22:16.17 | kephra | streuner: use your brain - yes I did - asked here, where to find it (unix is a text adventure, and the only cheat mode is /join achannel, ask a question, and start reading ;-) ... well installing in my case, because it was an easy question and good, direct, easy and fast answer, thanks to dondelelcaro ;-) |
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| 22:18.27 | dondelelcaro | kephra: well, if you don't want your e-mail address published, you'll just have to live with the bugs, unfortunately. |
| 22:18.32 | Somelauw | !help |
| 22:18.38 | dondelelcaro | !tell Somelauw -about ask |
| 22:19.01 | dondelelcaro | (or if you really meant to ask the bot about it's help, use /msg) |
| 22:19.21 | Somelauw | Okay, thanks, I found the bot. |
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| 22:19.30 | ukukuk | hi |
| 22:19.33 | ukukuk | Hi. I have a problem. I installed proftpd and the server is listen to port 21 as normal but i can't connect from outside. I can connect to the localhost and to the ip from the server shell but not from home. The iptables are cleared. What could this be the problem? |
| 22:20.22 | dondelelcaro | ukukuk: is the server behind a firewall? are you using nat? |
| 22:20.27 | kephra | dont know proftp, but perhaps there is a security restricting in its config, to listen on localhost only ;-( |
| 22:20.46 | kephra | did you try with a local network (ethernet cables), ukukuk ? |
| 22:20.52 | kephra | or from OUTSIDE? |
| 22:20.52 | streuner_ | kephra: or you juste create a new account, via any mail hoster or via dyndns or whatever, some people doesnt mention there real name at all too. You have still the chance to file a bug report without any headaches. |
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| 22:21.16 | ukukuk | i have only a vServer hosted by a company in germany, i live in switzerland |
| 22:21.51 | kephra | and you can ssh from outside (home) into it, but not ftp, ukukuk ? |
| 22:22.04 | kephra | and if you login by ssh, you can ftp to localhost? |
| 22:22.08 | ukukuk | @dondelcardo i have asked my hoster but he said that they don't block any |
| 22:22.23 | ukukuk | yes correct |
| 22:22.41 | ukukuk | pc -> server (ssh) |
| 22:23.08 | ukukuk | is normally running but with ftp from pc -> server doesn't go. it's a time out |
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| 22:23.39 | ukukuk | I thought it must be a firewall but it isn't. |
| 22:23.44 | dondelelcaro | ukukuk: is your pc behind NAT? |
| 22:24.05 | kephra | do you know that you can ftp to some host outside from home, ukukuk ? because ftp is tricky old junk protocol |
| 22:24.14 | ukukuk | no my pc isn't behind NAT |
| 22:24.18 | meyou | can you telnet the machine on port 21? |
| 22:24.27 | meyou | or is the connection just refused? |
| 22:24.35 | kephra | you talk to ftp, to send the commands - but ftp will try to talk to you to send/receive files |
| 22:24.36 | ompaul | ukukuk not saying this is the right answer but it seems to be a proftpd config things http://serverfault.com/questions/224097/bind-proftpd-only-to-localhost |
| 22:25.22 | kephra | *w00t* @ ompaul - looks like a good guess - and a typical Debian security |
| 22:25.27 | ukukuk | no a telnet isn't possible, i've tried. I also reinstalled the service for sometimes.. - i've tried to connect from work, but it doesn't work |
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| 22:26.04 | kephra | but well ftp is a protocol that should be avoided (in 99.9 of the cases) |
| 22:26.14 | ukukuk | DefaultAddress localhost <- isn't there in default configuration. i haven't edited that |
| 22:26.26 | kephra | i know more situations where good old uucico and rsh rcp make sense, than ftp ;-( |
| 22:27.10 | kephra | *ok* I stop whining about using ftp ;-( I know - sometimes the customer / exchange partner requires it |
| 22:27.32 | streuner_ | why, ftp is crap :-) |
| 22:27.47 | ukukuk | yes for developing it works well enough |
| 22:28.03 | ukukuk | but how can i solve this issue?. nobody an answer? |
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| 22:29.09 | kephra | can I try from outside? pm me a hostname or IP - btw, im a kraut, if you speak german |
| 22:29.23 | ukukuk | yes i speak german :) |
| 22:29.37 | streuner_ | !de |
| 22:29.37 | dpkg | Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de). |
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| 22:29.57 | ukukuk | 134.0.24.64 is the IP. |
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| 22:30.21 | misch | password? |
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| 22:30.25 | dondelelcaro | ukukuk: ftp isn't listening on 134.0.24.64 |
| 22:30.27 | streuner_ | haha |
| 22:30.34 | misch | :D |
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| 22:30.40 | dondelelcaro | ukukuk: what is the output of netstat -plunt; ? |
| 22:30.44 | ukukuk | yes dondelelcaro. it's a timeout |
| 22:30.48 | ukukuk | that's the problem |
| 22:30.48 | lancelot_of | hi there |
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| 22:30.54 | ukukuk | it's listening on 21. moment, i send the netstat |
| 22:30.55 | kephra | *ok* I get a connection refused - so its not reachable from outside |
| 22:31.03 | lancelot_of | trying to install 3.2 kernel i get: Error! Bad return status for module build on kernel: 3.2.0-1-amd64 (x86_64) what's going wrong??i also tried to upgrade blrc-dkms to the 8.4 version from unstable debian repos but i get always the same error.please help |
| 22:31.06 | kephra | use pastebin, ukukuk ! |
| 22:31.23 | ukukuk | pastebin? ^^ sorry im new here |
| 22:31.32 | streuner_ | !pastebin |
| 22:31.32 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ http://paste.pocoo.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>, <lodgeit.py>. |
| 22:31.44 | ukukuk | ok understood |
| 22:31.56 | kephra | ukukuk, never paste more than ONE line into IRC - use what the bot said |
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| 22:33.07 | ukukuk | http://pastebin.com/T3T4Mvvu |
| 22:33.12 | ukukuk | is the netstat -plunt |
| 22:33.47 | kevlarman | http://wiki.debian.org/Self-Signed_Certificate <- this looks outdated :\ |
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| 22:34.18 | kevlarman | could someone point me at the least effort way to generate a cert that's going to exist for about a day until i can get the proper one in place? |
| 22:35.12 | gnarface | kevlarman: i typically just use the CA.pl script in the openssl package. i don't know anything about the wrapper that wiki page mentions |
| 22:35.15 | ompaul | ,versions proftpd |
| 22:35.16 | judd | Package: proftpd on i386 -- lenny: 1.3.1-17lenny6; lenny-proposed-updates: 1.3.1-17lenny9; lenny-security: 1.3.1-17lenny9 |
| 22:35.30 | ompaul | ,versions proftp-basic |
| 22:35.31 | judd | No package named 'proftp-basic' was found in i386. |
| 22:35.59 | ukukuk | the linux version i use: debian 6.0 squeeze |
| 22:36.23 | streuner_ | interesting then :-) |
| 22:36.31 | gnarface | kevlarman: /usr/lib/ssl/misc/CA.pl |
| 22:36.53 | ompaul | ukukuk: you may not be very happy to know I installed proftpd on a machine here, (SID) I was able to log on from another box straight away |
| 22:36.54 | lancelot_of | trying to install 3.2 kernel i get: Error! Bad return status for module build on kernel: 3.2.0-1-amd64 (x86_64) what's going wrong??i also tried to upgrade blrc-dkms to the 8.4 version from unstable debian repos but i get always the same error.please help |
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| 22:37.35 | exelsius | what is the best way to improve my position, I have 157000 results in chile google my website or backlinks |
| 22:37.54 | ukukuk | ompaul: yes I know. I've installed some months ago on an other machine (same vServer) and it worked well. now I don't know what I've done but you are my last chance to fix this |
| 22:38.02 | streuner_ | lancelot_of: please show us the output of "dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1" and your sources.list in pastebin |
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| 22:38.59 | ompaul | ukukuk: you've done something. If that machine faces the internet and you can get to it no problem from anywhere, it looks like it should just accept a log on. Try this on the command line far away, ftp otherbox |
| 22:39.13 | ompaul | where otherbox is dns entry for that machine |
| 22:40.59 | ompaul | ukukuk: when you do that, please point us at the error message you go |
| 22:41.03 | ompaul | s/go/get/ |
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| 22:41.32 | ukukuk | ompaul: yes a moment pls |
| 22:41.47 | exelsius | what is the best way to improve my position, I have 157000 results in chile google my website or backlinks |
| 22:41.49 | exelsius | ?? |
| 22:42.09 | ompaul | exelsius: this is not a web SEO channel, it is #debian |
| 22:42.39 | exelsius | ok |
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| 22:45.00 | ukukuk | ompauL: Can't connect to `134.0.24.64': Connection refused |
| 22:45.14 | ukukuk | ompaul: in the log file of proftpd i can't find anything |
| 22:45.22 | ompaul | and syslog? |
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| 22:45.51 | ukukuk | nothing |
| 22:46.08 | ompaul | ukukuk: what is the client that is trying to connect |
| 22:46.42 | ukukuk | I've tried with the computer at work and at home |
| 22:46.52 | ukukuk | the same error |
| 22:47.18 | ompaul | are you sure that is the outside facing ip of that machine? |
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| 22:48.00 | ompaul | ukukuk: I guess you can try some other daemon, if it gets the same result I guess you have some networking issue |
| 22:48.04 | ukukuk | I haven't binded an address to the proftpd service so I think he accept all IPs |
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| 22:48.49 | dondelelcaro | ukukuk: what's the output of iptables -L -n; ? |
| 22:48.50 | ompaul | ukukuk: while logged onto the box itself, please type ftp 134 ... |
| 22:48.51 | ukukuk | I also tried vsftpd. It didn't help. I thought perhaps there is an issue with the iptables and flushed these but no effect |
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| 22:49.19 | ukukuk | ompaul: this works fine |
| 22:49.50 | ukukuk | dondelelcaro: http://pastebin.com/1X1q160m |
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| 22:51.23 | ompaul | ukukuk: it has to be firewalled at some point by someone |
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| 22:51.46 | ukukuk | ompaul: not possible. it worked fine 2 months ago. |
| 22:51.58 | ukukuk | ompaul: wait, i try on a different machine at the same hoster |
| 22:52.16 | dondelelcaro | ukukuk: well, then either you're connecting to the wrong IP, or someone is blocking inbound ftp traffic with ICMP close messages |
| 22:52.48 | ompaul | ukukuk: what dondelelcaro said |
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| 22:53.33 | dondelelcaro | s/ICMP/RST? |
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| 22:54.15 | misch_ | wow, where do i configure that i dont want to go back to login screen when i get back from screensaver? i dont find the place to change |
| 22:54.20 | misch_ | -.- |
| 22:54.33 | ukukuk | ompaul + dondelelcaro : so i could not solve this? |
| 22:54.45 | ukukuk | is a hosting-issue at my hoster? |
| 22:54.47 | ompaul | ukukuk: you could install etherreal on the "client" and then remove as much internet traffic, then look at what you are seeing |
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| 22:54.58 | ompaul | ukukuk: no, it is someone issue |
| 22:55.03 | cvelde | hey, i got some postfix issue |
| 22:55.12 | ompaul | you can't say it is the hoster, but it might be |
| 22:55.14 | cvelde | "Host or domain name not found. Name service error for name=user type=A: Host not found" |
| 22:55.37 | cvelde | <user@user> (expanded from <mail@domain.com>): |
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| 22:55.59 | cvelde | i guess the problem is that it is expanding the email adress to @user? is that so, and when why? |
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| 22:57.54 | dondelelcaro | cvelde: probably. You've most likely misconfigured /etc/mailname or set myorigin wrong |
| 22:57.57 | misch_ | nvm, i found now |
| 22:58.02 | E3D3 | I just installed (painless) Debian 6.0.4 but needed info from internet howto use Debian. The default browser showed ONLY nonrelevant results so I had to use another OS !?? Anyhow. What's the recommended way to change KDE for Gnome 3.2.1, with apt ? |
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| 22:58.51 | ukukuk | ompaul: the wireshark gives me this - 710.225775134.0.24.64192.168.1.3TCP54ftp > 50780 [RST, ACK] Seq=1 Ack=1 Win=0 Len=0 |
| 22:58.54 | dondelelcaro | E3D3: currently only gnome 2.0 is in stable. Gnome 3 will be in the next stable release |
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| 22:59.16 | E3D3 | dondelelcaro: :'( |
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| 22:59.29 | cvelde | dondelelcaro: myorigin = user@$mydomain / mydomain=domain.com / /etc/mailname = domain.com |
| 22:59.38 | misch_ | are they bouncer somewhere to find for free??? |
| 22:59.45 | E3D3 | dondelelcaro: Thanks. |
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| 23:00.55 | ukukuk | ompaul & dondelelcaro : the wireshark gives me this - 7 10.225775 134.0.24.64 192.168.1.3 TCP 54 ftp > 50780 [RST, ACK] Seq=1 Ack=1 Win=0 Len=0 |
| 23:01.03 | ompaul | ukukuk: that looks like a block http://ask.wireshark.org/questions/1924/understanding-a-packet-capture |
| 23:01.39 | ukukuk | ompaul: serverside, but where? iptables are clean and he's listening on port 21 |
| 23:02.00 | ukukuk | and the response come from the IP of my server, so it isn't a firewall yet? |
| 23:02.05 | ompaul | cvelde: but does the internet know that (in both directions do you get a good FQDN when you look it up?) |
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| 23:03.22 | cvelde | ompaul: well, its the server itself that returns the mail and tells me that |
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| 23:04.04 | dondelelcaro | cvelde: well, there you go. |
| 23:04.05 | ompaul | cvelde: away from the server on some other box do a host mymailserver.mydomain.whatever and then reverse it |
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| 23:04.17 | Cybertinus | hello. Where can I find some documentation about writing init scripts? I want to modify 2 scripts to make them dependend on each other. When deamon 1 isn't started, daemon 2 shouldn't start. And when daemon 1 gets the "stop" command, it should stop daemon 2 first, and then it should stop itself. Is this possible, and if so: where can I find documentation about this, so I can adept the scripts? |
| 23:04.28 | dondelelcaro | cvelde: myorigin should just be domain.com |
| 23:04.54 | ukukuk | cvelde: not mail.domain.com? |
| 23:05.09 | abrotman | !tell Cybertinus about lsb tags |
| 23:05.23 | cvelde | ukukuk: nope |
| 23:05.29 | cvelde | dondelelcaro: ah.... you got me there |
| 23:05.42 | but | list |
| 23:05.56 | ukukuk | !? |
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| 23:05.58 | dondelelcaro | cvelde: and since this is presumably Debian, it shouldn't even be set, since it defaults to /etc/mailname |
| 23:05.59 | but | thanks |
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| 23:06.25 | but | list |
| 23:06.43 | streuner_ | but, whats the tric of that? |
| 23:06.48 | dondelelcaro | but: this isn't a warez channel. We don't have a list. |
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| 23:07.13 | Cybertinus | thnx abrotman, it looks like that's it indeed :) |
| 23:07.19 | weebl^ | Hello everyone, I'm having issues with quota not working, I think it has to do with the RAID. It's giving me "No such device" when trying to quotaon -avug |
| 23:07.34 | streuner_ | but, this a distro support channel, we support Debian (www.debian.org) |
| 23:07.50 | weebl^ | http://nopaste.info/da973dea71.html - debian squeeze |
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| 23:08.48 | gnarface | burn: you want this: http://packages.debian.org/stable/ enjoy! ;-) |
| 23:08.50 | weebl^ | anyone have any pointers? |
| 23:08.58 | gnarface | but: you want this: http://packages.debian.org/stable/ enjoy! ;-) |
| 23:09.02 | gnarface | burn: ignore me |
| 23:09.09 | ukukuk | dondelelcaro you're still here? you haven't an idea for my issue with the ftp server? its a serverside firewall issue but where and how can i solve this? |
| 23:09.44 | gnarface | but: especially this! http://packages.debian.org/stable/games/ :-D super hot |
| 23:09.52 | ukukuk | !de |
| 23:09.52 | dpkg | Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de). |
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| 23:10.30 | dondelelcaro | ukukuk: 1) make sure you're connecting to the right ip/port 2) use a different port |
| 23:11.22 | ukukuk | dondelelcaro 1) yes, done. is the right port. 2) I've tried on 1121 and have forwardet it with the iptables. doesn't work |
| 23:11.52 | dondelelcaro | ukukuk: wait; fowarded what with iptables? |
| 23:11.54 | streuner_ | 1121 sounds scary to me :-/ |
| 23:12.03 | cvelde | dondelelcaro: thanks, that seems to fix my issue - however postfix still puts mail into /var/mail/mails instead of /home/(user)/mails which i just dont get |
| 23:12.18 | dondelelcaro | cvelde: /var/mail is the default mail spool |
| 23:12.40 | dondelelcaro | cvelde: everything in Debian is configured by default to use that. You're free to change the MDA settings to deliver to somewhere else |
| 23:12.43 | ukukuk | dondelelcaro 21 to 1121 and the proftpd runs now on 1121 |
| 23:12.49 | Cybertinus | abrotman: http://paste.debian.net/157880/ Those are my LSB headers. I want that the deamon "quasselcore" is stopped when postgresql goes down. And when I start quasselcore, it should start postgresql when it isn't running. These LSB tags don't do that. What am I doing wrong? |
| 23:12.58 | dondelelcaro | ukukuk: yes, but what does this mean: "have forwardet it with the iptables" |
| 23:13.08 | dondelelcaro | ukukuk: is this server not directly connected to the internet? |
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| 23:13.36 | ukukuk | dondelelcaro of course, i meant the port 21 is for the server now the 1121 :) |
| 23:14.02 | dondelelcaro | ukukuk: yes, but if you configure proftpd to listen on 1121, no iptables configuration at all should be necessary. |
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| 23:15.07 | weebl^ | anyone know how to fix this? http://nopaste.info/da973dea71.html |
| 23:15.54 | ukukuk | dondelelcaro: ok now the proftpd runs on port 1121. telnet from client works fine, but this is not the standard-port. how can i solve this? |
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| 23:16.32 | dondelelcaro | ukukuk: so it works when you ftp fooip:1121? |
| 23:16.43 | ukukuk | dondelelcaro: yes |
| 23:16.55 | ukukuk | dondelelcaro: i haven't configured an user but telnet works , yes |
| 23:17.26 | dondelelcaro | ukukuk: then it means that either 1) you're blocking ftp with iptables or similar 2) your ISP is (or their ISP is) |
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| 23:18.00 | dondelelcaro | ukukuk: if you run something like tcpdump -i eth0 -n -l -vv dport 21; and don't see traffic when you telnet to 21, then that's your problem. |
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| 23:18.25 | cvelde | dondelelcaro: thanks a lot |
| 23:18.39 | Cybertinus | http://paste.debian.net/157880/ <-- with those LSB tags, why doesn't quasselcore stop when I stop postgresql? |
| 23:18.43 | dondelelcaro | s/dport/port/ |
| 23:18.45 | ukukuk | dondelelcaro: iptables are correct: http://pastebin.com/vq7qcVfX |
| 23:18.47 | streuner_ | dpkg, dondelelcaro++ |
| 23:18.55 | Cybertinus | these are the LSB tags set in the quasselcore init script |
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| 23:19.24 | dondelelcaro | ukukuk: and what happens when you run tcpdump -i <externalinterface> -n -l -vv port 21; and then try to ftp to port 21? |
| 23:19.31 | dondelelcaro | ukukuk: on the server, of course. |
| 23:19.39 | zma | Do I remember correctly, that there was a recommendation of using 64 bit version for 64 bit processors? I don't want ordinary discussion whether 32 or 64 bit is better, just to check what was the recommendation. |
| 23:19.47 | dondelelcaro | zma: depends |
| 23:20.03 | Cybertinus | zma: how much RAM do you have in your computer?\ |
| 23:20.15 | zma | dondelelcaro: was there preference on Debian website that "go for 64 bit" as a primary choise? |
| 23:20.16 | dondelelcaro | zma: for amd64, if you don't need to run non-free stuff, 64bit. Otherwise, it depends on what you're doing. |
| 23:20.22 | dondelelcaro | zma: no. |
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| 23:20.33 | dondelelcaro | zma: becuase it depends on the architecture |
| 23:20.33 | zma | ok then I remember wrong |
| 23:20.47 | zma | well, I mean, if I have 64 bit intel system |
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| 23:21.10 | dondelelcaro | if you have amd64, then you generally want to use amd64. |
| 23:21.21 | abrotman | zma: how much RAM do you anticipate the system having ? is it a desktop? server? |
| 23:21.28 | zma | I just remember there was once a difference on websites, Ubuntu saying 32 bit recommended, debian saying 64 bit. I understand that 32 bit is in general more stable. I just wanted to verify if there was given any preference.. |
| 23:21.35 | ukukuk | dondelelcaro: crap. I don't know. Now the proftpd runs on port 1121 (configuration-file: /etc/proftpd/proftpd.conf) - soo, now with tcpdump I see the following by connecting with the command: ftp 134.0.24.64 - http://pastebin.com/GVjxuGWg |
| 23:22.15 | thewanderer1 | zma, as far as I can tell, more bugs are actually being discovered in 32-bit setups these days due to less coverage testing by kernel developers |
| 23:22.16 | gnarface | zma: some people will tell you to stick with 32-bit simply on the dogma that the 32-bit distro is better tested |
| 23:22.23 | zma | anyway, you answered my question. I remember it wrong. I go with 32 bit as I assume it's more stable and better supported. Although I have i7 and 8 gigs mem. |
| 23:22.35 | daemonkeeper | Which is most likely not true anymore, gnarface. |
| 23:22.42 | Cybertinus | zma: then go for 64 bit |
| 23:22.43 | abrotman | the 32bit can address 8GB (and more) |
| 23:22.49 | daemonkeeper | zma: You don't want 32 bit with 8G RAM |
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| 23:23.02 | Cybertinus | zma: with 32 bit you can't use all of your 8 GB RAM. 4 GB max. with 32 bit |
| 23:23.07 | daemonkeeper | abrotman: PAE can address more than 4G RAM, but not per process. |
| 23:23.15 | abrotman | zma: the only real issue is if you use 3rd party binary-only software .. it may or may not be well supported on 64bit |
| 23:23.21 | daemonkeeper | Cybertinus: There is PAE as abrotman said. |
| 23:23.26 | zma | stability and support for HW is the highest importance, more important than being able to access more than 2 gigs |
| 23:23.33 | daemonkeeper | But generally, you don't want to use PAE. |
| 23:23.35 | abrotman | daemonkeeper: only Iceweasel and Oracle use more than 4GB per process :) |
| 23:23.41 | daemonkeeper | abrotman: I do. |
| 23:23.43 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: and R, and postgresql, and... |
| 23:23.49 | abrotman | it was a joke! |
| 23:23.50 | KSHawkEye | Does anyone know how I can add vim to the right click menu on LXDE? Such as, 'edit with gvim' |
| 23:24.08 | dondelelcaro | zma: there's no real difference in stability between 32bit and 64bit. |
| 23:24.23 | gnarface | the only reason you might not want to run debian amd64 on 64-bit hardware is if the ONLY purpose for the machine is to compile 32-bit wine |
| 23:24.25 | dondelelcaro | nowadays, almost everything is tested on amd64 and developed on it |
| 23:24.33 | zma | dondelelcaro: that's nice to know |
| 23:24.38 | abrotman | gives dondelelcaro a pile of broken flash on amd64 |
| 23:24.45 | daemonkeeper | gnarface: ehrm, that's bullshit. |
| 23:24.48 | thewanderer1 | my Flash works just fine |
| 23:24.48 | zma | I'm overwhelmed, lot of good answers :D |
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| 23:24.51 | kevlarman | abrotman: worksforme |
| 23:24.56 | Cybertinus | daemonkeeper: hmm, true. PAE also exists. But I see that as an bandage to use all of the 8 GB RAM when you need to stick with 32 bit. The general rule of thumb is: >4gb? -> 64 bit. |
| 23:24.57 | abrotman | kevlarman: this week! |
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| 23:25.09 | kevlarman | abrotman: even vdpau which is horribly broken for everyone else |
| 23:25.15 | streuner_ | abrotman, a broken flash on some arch, thats a joke too? :-) |
| 23:25.17 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: flash is just broken |
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| 23:25.20 | daemonkeeper | gnarface: You can perfectly compile and run 32 bit binaries in a native 64 bit userland/kernel. At worst you need a chroot. |
| 23:25.21 | abrotman | heh |
| 23:25.35 | streuner_ | indeed |
| 23:25.36 | abrotman | thinks zma is going to get overload |
| 23:25.43 | kevlarman | daemonkeeper: debian doesn't package 32 bit versions of all of wine's dependencies |
| 23:25.47 | zma | BSODs |
| 23:25.48 | kevlarman | that's the main issue |
| 23:25.53 | quitte | hi. i have a phenom cpu. it's supposed to do frequency scaling in 100mhz steps. but cpufrequtils only know about two steps. can i enable that somehow? |
| 23:25.53 | ukukuk | dondelelcaro: thank you very much for your help. - do you know why I have to start proftpd on 1121 and connect via 21? |
| 23:26.05 | kevlarman | (no one does unless they're full multiarch) |
| 23:26.11 | gnarface | daemonkeeper: historically though there are bugs in the ia32- packages on amd64 that cause complications building recent wines a lot, which is why i say that, but i say it with some amount of sarcasm, as i build wine alot on amd64 sid. |
| 23:26.21 | daemonkeeper | kevlarman: So, how would installing a 32 bit Debian solve that problem? |
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| 23:26.32 | kevlarman | daemonkeeper: the 32 bit version has them |
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| 23:26.39 | abrotman | daemonkeeper: i think he meant they don't package them for amd64 |
| 23:26.41 | daemonkeeper | kevlarman: You know what a chroot is? |
| 23:26.49 | Cybertinus | I'm running 64 bit Linux since 2005 now. Flash and everything. It can work without problems ;) |
| 23:26.52 | kevlarman | daemonkeeper: painful |
| 23:26.58 | gnarface | daemonkeeper: its literally an issue of stuff being missing that is in the 32-bit distro, due to packaing bugs in ia32* lib32* packages |
| 23:27.02 | kevlarman | daemonkeeper: i did the chroot thing on arch for a couple of years |
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| 23:27.12 | daemonkeeper | gnarface: ia32libs are going to die soonish. |
| 23:27.20 | gnarface | daemonkeeper: i can't wait |
| 23:27.27 | kevlarman | daemonkeeper: i can't wait for the new dpkg to hit sid |
| 23:27.34 | daemonkeeper | kevlarman: It is already. |
| 23:27.39 | kevlarman | daemonkeeper: it is? |
| 23:27.42 | kevlarman | ,versions dpkg |
| 23:27.43 | judd | Package: dpkg on i386 -- lenny: 1.14.31; lenny-security: 1.14.31; squeeze: 1.15.8.12; sid: 1.16.1.2; wheezy: 1.16.1.2; experimental: 1.16.2~wipmultiarch |
| 23:27.44 | daemonkeeper | err no, in experimental |
| 23:27.47 | dondelelcaro | ukukuk: uh... does it work if you connect via 21? |
| 23:28.02 | Cybertinus | well, I'm off to bed |
| 23:28.03 | daemonkeeper | kevlarman: But you just can use the experimental version in sid. |
| 23:28.04 | dondelelcaro | ukukuk: because it shouldn't |
| 23:28.06 | kevlarman | daemonkeeper: i'm not quite brave enough to go to experimental |
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| 23:28.18 | Cybertinus | back tomorrow or something, to play some more with LSB tags |
| 23:28.20 | daemonkeeper | kevlarman: experimental is not a full suite. It's an overlay to sid. |
| 23:28.39 | ukukuk | dondelelcaro: yes that's the thing I can't believe. I can connect via 1121 and 21 at the moment the proftpd should only run on 1121 normally |
| 23:28.48 | KSHawkEye | Does anyone know how I can add vim to the right click menu on LXDE? Such as, 'edit with gvim' |
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| 23:29.08 | dondelelcaro | ukukuk: what's the output of netstat -plunt; right now? |
| 23:29.42 | kevlarman | daemonkeeper: any idea how close it is to actually going into sid? |
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| 23:29.54 | abrotman | KSHawkEye: you may have more luck asking #lxde on irc.oftc.net .. |
| 23:30.04 | ukukuk | dondelelcaro: http://pastebin.com/3r7uc2n4 @line: 1 |
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| 23:30.29 | ukukuk | dondelelcaro: line 2 sorry |
| 23:30.30 | daemonkeeper | kevlarman: No, but it needs to do so soonish pretending we would hold the freeze date. |
| 23:30.30 | abrotman | KSHawkEye: http://forum.lxde.org/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=31525 .. is that helpful ? |
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| 23:31.03 | streuner_ | hands the google and spoon award today |
| 23:31.14 | streuner_ | to, guess, abrotman :-) |
| 23:31.36 | kevlarman | speaking of which |
| 23:31.40 | abrotman | streuner_: he still has to read it |
| 23:31.44 | kevlarman | i need to get away from testing before then |
| 23:32.02 | daemonkeeper | kevlarman: Yes. |
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| 23:32.32 | kevlarman | (downgraded while hunting down an issue, still no clue how i fixed it but pretty sure it wasn't version related) |
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| 23:37.11 | ukukuk | dondelelcaro: very strange. now the ftp server returns the defaultRoot directory from the user via 21 and 1121.. yes, is not so bad. I wish you a good day.. bye |
| 23:37.31 | ukukuk | dondelelcaro: and thank you very much ;) |
| 23:37.45 | streuner | send a pizza :-P |
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| 23:38.00 | streuner | dondelelcaro deserve it |
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| 23:38.25 | ukukuk | haha nice try streuner |
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| 23:40.44 | ukukuk | streuner: you're german? |
| 23:40.53 | streuner | ukukuk: yes |
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| 23:41.28 | ukukuk | streuner: nice. what's your profession in real life? sysadmin? |
| 23:41.59 | streuner | ukukuk: no, iam selling things on internet |
| 23:42.55 | ukukuk | ok and dondelelcaro? what's your profession if I'm allowed to ask.? |
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| 23:44.36 | but | lista |
| 23:44.43 | streuner | DOH |
| 23:44.52 | but | hi |
| 23:45.20 | dondelelcaro | ukukuk: I'm a postdoc at UCR. |
| 23:46.20 | ukukuk | dondelelcaro: sorry I don't understand. what's that? |
| 23:46.43 | dondelelcaro | ukukuk: https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Postdoc |
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| 23:47.26 | ukukuk | dondelelcaro: nice, which subject? |
| 23:47.27 | streuner | ukukuk: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-Doktorand |
| 23:48.29 | ukukuk | dondelelcaro + streuner: ah I understood - natural science :) very nice |
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| 23:50.00 | ukukuk | I am new in these IRC-Chats. Here are everytime so much people? |
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| 23:50.10 | but | lista |
| 23:50.23 | but | hi |
| 23:50.33 | streuner | is this a bot or something? |
| 23:50.35 | themill | but: no warez here |
| 23:50.49 | streuner | themill: that happend the last 2 hours... |
| 23:51.13 | streuner | but, are you a bot? |
| 23:51.14 | engla | ukukuk: yeah, always a lot of people and very few active |
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| 23:51.55 | streuner | ukukuk: many people here, but a few (about 20-30) who arent idle... |
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| 23:52.09 | streuner | ukukuk: usually |
| 23:52.17 | ukukuk | hehe I'm just seventeen ^^ |
| 23:52.19 | *** mode/#debian [+o dondelelcaro] by ChanServ |
| 23:52.29 | *** mode/#debian [+b but!~but@*] by dondelelcaro |
| 23:52.31 | *** mode/#debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro |
| 23:53.12 | threadlock | we're from all over the globe, so i guess we're idle at different hours too |
| 23:53.26 | streuner | sure |
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| 23:54.37 | misch_ | i dont e |
| 23:55.01 | misch_ | i dont want to have 100 peoples chatting the same time like in #linux general |
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| 23:56.24 | streuner | ukukuk: dondelelcaro is OP here, so he is able to get OP status whenever he want |
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| 23:57.14 | streuner | ukukuk: /msg dpkg help, /msg dpkg listkeys/listvals |
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| 23:58.14 | cfox_ | I have the hp mini 110c with an atheros ar8132 fasr eth card that is not working. my wireless isn't working either so i an nit use the repos atm i just need help getting my ethernet working |
| 23:58.39 | cfox_ | also this tablt sucks at recognizing my typing |
