| 00:00.36 | tsccof | cheshire_fox: have you tried running udevadm trigger? |
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| 00:01.42 | ukukuk | streuner thx |
| 00:01.47 | streuner | np |
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| 00:03.22 | *** topic/#debian by themill -> squeeze (6.0.4) released; /msg dpkg squeeze | lenny EOL 2012-02-06 /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze ; /msg dpkg 5.0.9 | NO FLOOD: /msg dpkg pastebin | /msg bots NOT people | offtopic: #debian-offtopic | wheezy/sid: #debian-next (irc.oftc.net) | FAQ: http://deb.li/IRCFAQ | channel logs: http://deb.li/yQXC |
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| 00:03.35 | themill | topicdiff: security.d.o all fixed now |
| 00:03.47 | streuner | good news |
| 00:03.53 | ZambeziAbuse | what all cd's will i need to be able to install, and have kernel sources, and gcc and such to be able to compile a driver for my wireless |
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| 00:04.23 | cheshire_fox | Just tried it no output and it's still not working |
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| 00:06.03 | cheshire_fox | Second it being the ethernet card |
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| 00:09.35 | Vasistha | How can I know which sound architecture is running on my box? |
| 00:09.50 | streuner | if you dont know, prolly ALSA |
| 00:10.01 | Vasistha | (When I attempt to run alsamixer, it segfaults) ... it's a wheezy system |
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| 00:10.16 | streuner | hm |
| 00:10.28 | Vasistha | I guess my real question is, how can I get volume control over gnu screen :P |
| 00:10.52 | streuner | aumix? :-P |
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| 00:11.11 | Vasistha | it's not installed, but I'll try installing it |
| 00:11.39 | streuner | well, aumix worked for me, as long as i used ALSA |
| 00:11.47 | Vasistha | I've gotta put squeeze back on this box, wheezy is not for me |
| 00:11.54 | cheshire_fox | help? |
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| 00:13.08 | tsccof | cheshire_fox: does you card appear in 'lspci'? |
| 00:13.40 | Vasistha | aumix: error opening mixer: No such file or directory |
| 00:14.00 | cheshire_fox | yes ît does, Along with a crappy broadcom wireless card I have |
| 00:14.23 | Vasistha | hmm, pulse appears to be installed, but how do I know if that's what's running? |
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| 00:14.32 | tsccof | cheshire_fox: you can probably look for packages for the broadcom in non-free |
| 00:14.46 | tsccof | Vasistha: probably specified in /etc/asound.conf |
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| 00:15.00 | tsccof | Vasistha: also, ps -A | grep pulse |
| 00:15.03 | streuner | Vasistha: or just use dpkg -l pulse* |
| 00:15.10 | tsccof | Vasistha: if it's running, it's running :P |
| 00:15.20 | streuner | prolly GNOME3 |
| 00:15.24 | tsccof | cheshire_fox: hang on a sec |
| 00:15.27 | Vasistha | tsccof: pgrep pulse -l -> 2246 pulseaudio |
| 00:15.30 | Vasistha | well, I guess that's it |
| 00:15.33 | streuner | it installs pulse* by default |
| 00:16.00 | streuner | time to read the docs about pulse* or just remove it :-) |
| 00:16.25 | Vasistha | streuner: ah yes, I selected desktop system, which installed gnome 3, which hung the system enough times that I installed xfce. hmm wonder if there's a cli mixer that can interface with pulse |
| 00:16.46 | jhutchins_lt | what's the command to ask why a package isn't in squeeze? |
| 00:16.50 | streuner | i have no idea about pulse, sorry. |
| 00:17.17 | streuner | jhutchins_lt: /msg dpkg why is foo in testing? |
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| 00:17.29 | jhutchins_lt | Looking for doc2html |
| 00:17.31 | streuner | jhutchins_lt: oh, sorry, squeeze |
| 00:17.46 | jhutchins_lt | NOT in squeeze. |
| 00:17.55 | tsccof | Vasistha: fantastic, then you are running pulseaudio, on top of ALSA |
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| 00:18.19 | streuner | jhutchins_lt: NOT in squeeze? i guess, it was RC related? |
| 00:18.21 | Vasistha | tsccof: on top of alsa? |
| 00:18.30 | themill | jhutchins_lt: what package? |
| 00:18.35 | tsccof | Vasistha: yes, ALSA is your basic sound architecture |
| 00:18.38 | streuner | doc2html |
| 00:18.43 | tsccof | Vasistha: pulse is wrapped around it |
| 00:18.45 | streuner | themill: ^^^ |
| 00:18.59 | themill | streuner: I'm asking jhutchins_lt for a reason |
| 00:19.00 | jhutchins_lt | themill: doc2html |
| 00:19.07 | tsccof | Vasistha: same if you use alsa-oss, it's an OSS wrapper for ALSA |
| 00:19.08 | streuner | here we go |
| 00:19.12 | themill | jhutchins_lt: what makes you think that's a package? |
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| 00:19.26 | tsccof | Vasistha: ALSA is built into the kernel |
| 00:19.28 | Vasistha | tsccof: interesting. |
| 00:19.30 | jhutchins_lt | Call it a program then. |
| 00:19.56 | tsccof | Vasistha: and if you have the alsa libraries, the apps will find it, and use ALSA as the sound architecture |
| 00:20.05 | Vasistha | tsccof: does pulse allow e.g. different programs (or even e.g. different instances of mplayer) to have independent volume controls, rather than adjusting the pcm output for everything? |
| 00:20.05 | jhutchins_lt | themill: I believe I've seen it as a package on other distros. |
| 00:20.13 | tsccof | Vasistha: it does |
| 00:20.20 | Vasistha | tsccof: well that is pretty cool |
| 00:20.24 | tsccof | Vasistha: for a good mixer for pulse, check out pavucontrol |
| 00:20.41 | Vasistha | tsccof: cli / curses? |
| 00:20.47 | tsccof | Vasistha: no, that's GTK, afaik |
| 00:20.52 | tsccof | Vasistha: :/ |
| 00:20.55 | streuner | jhutchins_lt: other distros? we are in Debian :-P |
| 00:21.08 | Vasistha | tsccof: do you know of a cli / curses one? the computer with the music on it is in the other room ;) |
| 00:21.09 | jhutchins_lt | Right. So I'm asking why it's not a package in debian. |
| 00:21.27 | jhutchins_lt | If there is a known reason. |
| 00:21.28 | tsccof | Vasistha: no, but let me do some research, sec |
| 00:21.43 | streuner | jhutchins_lt: and thats what you asking here? staying lots of time in #debian? :-P |
| 00:22.04 | themill | jhutchins_lt: no, you asked for an automated way to find out why that package wasn't in squeeze...that's rather different to "do you know if some package even exists or not" |
| 00:22.07 | streuner | jhutchins_lt: usually RC related |
| 00:22.20 | jhutchins_lt | streuner: Gee, I thought that #debian was a good place to ask questions about Debian. |
| 00:22.21 | themill | streuner: non-existent packages tend not to have rc bugs |
| 00:22.33 | Vasistha | tsccof: a google search suggested "pamix" but I haven't figured out what package that might be in |
| 00:22.39 | jhutchins_lt | themill: Technically true. |
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| 00:22.51 | jhutchins_lt | themill: I didn't really get an answer to that either. |
| 00:22.52 | themill | dpkg: tell jhutchins_lt about apt-file |
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| 00:23.22 | jhutchins_lt | themill: Wonder of wonders, I have already consulted with apt-file, and found documentation for doc2html, but no actal doc2html file. |
| 00:23.30 | themill | orly |
| 00:23.32 | jhutchins_lt | actual that is. |
| 00:23.37 | jhutchins_lt | Indeed. |
| 00:23.44 | streuner | orly? |
| 00:24.49 | jhutchins_lt | Found references in debian-sgml and htdig-doc. |
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| 00:24.50 | themill | jhutchins_lt: you should try looking more carefully. |
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| 00:25.27 | tsccof | Vasistha: I suggest installing pavucontrol, maybe pamixer is in it |
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| 00:25.38 | Vasistha | tsccof: not a bad idea, I'll try it |
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| 00:26.45 | themill | jhutchins_lt: doc2html looks like it really is just catdoc with a little extra crap around it, btw. |
| 00:26.50 | alfplayer | tsccof: it isn't |
| 00:27.01 | tsccof | Vasistha: it isn't in pavucontrol |
| 00:27.06 | tsccof | alfplayer: thanks |
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| 00:27.11 | alfplayer | sure |
| 00:27.16 | jhutchins_lt | themill: Yeah, and it doesn't do that good a job. |
| 00:27.28 | tsccof | btw, is there a way for one to find out what package has a certain file, without having to install the package? |
| 00:27.38 | themill | jhutchins_lt: so why do you want it? |
| 00:27.48 | jhutchins_lt | doctohtml is supposed to be better. |
| 00:27.49 | Vasistha | I'm still waiting for security/upgrades to finish :P |
| 00:27.49 | alfplayer | Vasistha: oh, sorry, i'm not sure, i don't think it is anyway |
| 00:28.00 | streuner | maybe he want maintain this package? ;-) |
| 00:28.11 | Vasistha | alfplayer: it's alright, I'll .. take a look anyway |
| 00:28.20 | jhutchins_lt | themill: To no one's astonishment, I have a client giving me docx files to convert into web pages, and I don't like the cruft that oo adds. |
| 00:28.35 | themill | jhutchins_lt: none of these things are going to deal with docx files |
| 00:28.53 | jhutchins_lt | themill: Actually, several of them explicitly support docx. |
| 00:29.05 | jhutchins_lt | themill: As do some of the online convertors. |
| 00:29.06 | themill | doc2html explicitly doesn't... |
| 00:29.15 | alfplayer | Vasistha: ok, it isn't in squeeze at least http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/amd64/pavucontrol/filelist |
| 00:29.23 | streuner | isnt sure who is the better maintainer for doc2html, jhutchings_lt or themill :-) |
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| 00:29.25 | jhutchins_lt | themill: There may be versions that do. |
| 00:29.30 | Vasistha | alfplayer: I've got wheezy on this box anyway... |
| 00:29.49 | alfplayer | Vasistha: same thing http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/amd64/pavucontrol/filelist |
| 00:29.52 | jhutchins_lt | In any case, we have strayed from the topic and can drop it now. |
| 00:30.06 | streuner | jhutchins_lt: but if you asking these kind of questions, iam sure, you are the one :-P |
| 00:30.12 | streuner | ok |
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| 00:30.37 | jhutchins_lt | streuner: Well, the initial question was topical. The needling and grilling weren't. |
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| 00:30.56 | streuner | well... |
| 00:31.28 | themill | jhutchins_lt: remember that the next time you're doing the same to someone else here who comes in asking an ill-posed question that appears to make little sense. |
| 00:31.50 | jhutchins_lt | BTW I presume the actual answer is /msg dpkg why is <package> not in <release>? |
| 00:32.08 | themill | there's no way of accurately answering that question for stable without a time machine |
| 00:32.38 | jhutchins_lt | themill: Can only be answered for testing? |
| 00:32.40 | themill | (or a lot of spare time to pick through data) |
| 00:32.53 | jhutchins_lt | themill: I mean, by the bot? |
| 00:32.54 | themill | yes, because that's what the analysis is done for |
| 00:33.29 | jhutchins_lt | Makes sense that the question is "why is package <foo> from stable not in testing". |
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| 00:33.40 | jhutchins_lt | As opposed to <arbitrary package>. |
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| 00:34.44 | scottj | is there a version of debian that comes with non-free drivers and as good of auto detection as ubuntu? (other than ubuntu :) |
| 00:34.44 | streuner | bought some popcorn, do i need to search for it now? :-P |
| 00:34.52 | jhutchins_lt | The best method is probably still to take the input as plain text and mark it up with quanta or something. |
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| 00:35.36 | streuner | scottj: if you talking about non-free images, just /msg dpkg nonfree images |
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| 00:36.11 | streuner | omg, whats the factoid about nonfree images? |
| 00:36.32 | nkuttler | !firmware installer |
| 00:36.32 | dpkg | Debian-Installer since Lenny is able to load additional <firmware>, by including it within installation media or supplying on removable media (e.g. USB stick, floppy). See http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch06s04 and http://dannf.org/bloggf/tech/add-firmware-to . To include firmware within Debian <netboot> images, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/NetbootFirmware . See also <firmware images>. http://deb.li/3tGse |
| 00:36.53 | streuner | nkuttler: ah, thanks. |
| 00:39.22 | nkuttler | !tell streuner about nonfree images |
| 00:39.34 | nkuttler | not sure if nonfree images is really fitting, but here you go |
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| 00:40.35 | Vasistha | alfplayer: well at any rate, this certainly doesn't seem to be cli / curses / etc |
| 00:40.57 | scottj | streuner: thanks |
| 00:41.02 | alfplayer | Vasistha: what program? |
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| 00:41.08 | Vasistha | pavucontrol |
| 00:41.33 | alfplayer | Vasistha: oh, yeah, it's gtk, I think |
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| 00:43.58 | Vasistha | alfplayer: it's weird, if I adjust the volume in mplayer itself, adjusting 15% - 100% does nothing, and below 15% it very quickly fades to nothing |
| 00:44.52 | joar | I have a laptop and a NAS, is there any way I can mount the NAS as soon as I can reach it via the network? |
| 00:45.27 | alfplayer | Vasistha: are you using some big speakers? maybe they have a minimum volume limit, I'm guessing |
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| 00:45.56 | scottj | are there unstable cd images that are better at detecting hardware than 6.0.4 with firmware? |
| 00:47.01 | nkuttler | joar: how do you "reach the network"? |
| 00:47.01 | kian | hello - i am able to boot debian's hd-media kernel from grub, but it 1) doesn't find my netinst.iso, and 2) i can't mount any ext4 partitions. any pointers? |
| 00:47.04 | streuner | scottj: i have no idea what kind of software the <firmware installer> uses, but i guess they are made via stable |
| 00:47.36 | streuner | scottj: unstable means beta, and thats usually bad, IMO |
| 00:48.05 | themill | dpkg: tell scottj about kmuto |
| 00:48.08 | streuner | scottj: if you searching for new(er) kernels, you might look at <kmuto> |
| 00:48.10 | Vasistha | alfplayer: it's nothing like that. This is all about software volume control, which worked fine in squeeze without pulse. in fact I wonder what would happen if I just killed the pulse process |
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| 00:48.41 | streuner | scottj: but keep in mind, even kmuto is only 2.6.39, IIRC... |
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| 00:49.24 | Vasistha | hah. that was the solution: pkill pulseaudio :P |
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| 00:49.30 | streuner | hehe |
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| 00:50.51 | alfplayer | Vasistha: what did you solve? i think it will run again if you kill it |
| 00:51.12 | Vasistha | alfplayer: not if I uninstall it >:) |
| 00:51.25 | Vasistha | seems it's taking gnome with it... that's alright |
| 00:51.25 | alfplayer | Vasistha: i like pulse :) |
| 00:51.44 | Vasistha | alfplayer: I don't like its lack of a curses (or other gnu screen-friendly) mixer |
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| 00:52.16 | Vasistha | alfplayer: I mean, it may be very cool, but it's as of yet not as fully functional as using alsa without it |
| 00:52.18 | alfplayer | Vasistha: i searched that like a couple of months ago, and found nothing |
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| 00:52.33 | Vasistha | alfplayer: there's a project out there that's not stable yet (and not in debian) |
| 00:52.41 | alfplayer | Vasistha: pamixer is no good enough for you? it's cli |
| 00:53.34 | Vasistha | alfplayer: I just prefer not to install much stuff outside of debian if I can help it. |
| 00:53.35 | joar | nkuttler: My home network is an ethernet LAN which my NAS is attached to. My laptop is mobile and I'd like it to reattach the NAS as soon as I am "home" |
| 00:53.36 | alfplayer | Vasistha: i have a pavucontrol from another pc open all the time with ssh -X |
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| 00:53.59 | Vasistha | alfplayer: ssh -X ... maybe that should be my solution. hmm. |
| 00:54.40 | alfplayer | Vasistha: i'm over a LAN, it's quite fast, i can adjust levels fine |
| 00:55.09 | Vasistha | alfplayer: I am now seeing that ssh -X works ridiculously easily. I'd never tried it before. |
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| 00:55.27 | alfplayer | Vasistha: oh good |
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| 00:57.46 | alfplayer | Vasistha: checking the script, i'm using ssh -p 5440 REMOTEPC -f pavucontrol --display=MYPC:0 |
| 00:58.03 | alfplayer | Vasistha: it should be similar or equal |
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| 00:59.03 | tsccof | so, ssh -X is like... ssh with X support? :P |
| 00:59.20 | nkuttler | joar: there are various tools that detect different networks and run different scripts whenever you connect to one. can't remember the names, but search for laptop, laptop mode and somesuch |
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| 01:01.48 | rattatoue | Hello everyone, I had a quick question. I have a N150 netgear wireless USB. I want to use it to install debian network install. Any ideas how to get it to work during the install? I know it doesnt work by default something to do with needed firmware |
| 01:02.20 | gnarface | tsccof: X11 forwarding |
| 01:02.28 | dvs | !firmware install |
| 01:02.53 | rattatoue | !firmware |
| 01:02.53 | dpkg | Firmware is software to operate electronic devices, usually contained in EPROM or flash memory. Some Linux kernel drivers require firmware to be provided from userspace, notably for <WiFi> devices. Most firmware files are not part of a Debian release as they do not conform to the <DFSG>; some are available via <contrib> and <non-free> packages, ask me about <search>. See also <installer firmware>. http://wiki.debian.org/Firmware |
| 01:03.03 | tsccof | gnarface: ah! got it, thanks! |
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| 01:08.23 | rattatoue | Does debian have an additional hardware thing like Ubuntu. I have the n150 and I can get network etc and install it with my other adapter. However once I have a full install I would like to actually use my good usb adapter. |
| 01:09.09 | engla | rattatoue: probably not? there are firmware packages for debian though |
| 01:09.47 | rattatoue | engla: Okay I would prefer to get my wireless USB working during the install, but the firmware page kinda confuses me |
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| 01:10.26 | engla | rattatoue: if all it needs is a firmware file, you can supply that during the install yes. that's the best way to install debian |
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| 01:11.04 | rattatoue | engla: can I supply that on the same usb im install debian from? |
| 01:11.05 | dvs | rattatoue: unless you're using WEP or no encryption, wireless won't work during the install. |
| 01:11.23 | engla | dvs: doesn't wpa work in stable? |
| 01:11.33 | rattatoue | dvs: ive used wireless before well wep during an install with my older usb |
| 01:11.36 | streuner | sure, but not in installers |
| 01:11.55 | dvs | engla: no |
| 01:11.56 | engla | WPA works fine with testing's debian-installer |
| 01:12.07 | rattatoue | Wep use to work fine for me during debian-install |
| 01:12.25 | streuner | testing installers, good luck |
| 01:12.54 | streuner | sure |
| 01:13.26 | rattatoue | back to the original question, can I just put the firmware file on the same USB thumb drive I am install debian from and it will recognize it? |
| 01:13.36 | streuner | no |
| 01:13.48 | rattatoue | how would I supply the firmware file then? |
| 01:13.49 | streuner | they are ro, arent they? |
| 01:13.59 | rattatoue | idk, I havent looked yet |
| 01:14.22 | streuner | hm |
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| 01:15.17 | engla | rattatoue: if you have possiblity to use a second usb flash then you can supply it manually from there |
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| 01:15.31 | rattatoue | engla: I only have one 16 gb usb flash |
| 01:15.38 | engla | ok |
| 01:15.59 | streuner | well, just install the base system and copy the firmware to /lib/firmware then? |
| 01:16.02 | gnarface | streuner, rattatoue i believe you in fact CAN add the file to the thumb drive, if you put it in the right place |
| 01:16.12 | rattatoue | gnarface: do you know the right place? |
| 01:16.28 | engla | and how do you edit an iso filesystem? |
| 01:16.36 | streuner | indeed |
| 01:16.39 | gnarface | mount it on the loopback |
| 01:16.54 | gnarface | is surprised streuner didn't know that |
| 01:17.24 | streuner | gnarface: you would suprise what else i dont know :-P |
| 01:17.33 | rattatoue | one last question then ill stop bugging lol, if I change the sources on the debian install to testing or unstable..will it install that system instead of the default stable? |
| 01:17.45 | Vasistha | alfplayer: well it works, but it's stilly wonky -- pavucontrol has only one volume slider (well, L+R but they're locked together) and there are three marks on it: silence, base, and 100% (0 dB). between silence (0%) and 12% is where all the relevant control, then from there to Base (63%) absolutely no volume change occurs |
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| 01:18.29 | gnarface | rattatoue: check out the man page for mount, you just mount the iso file with -t iso9660 and -o loop or something like that. you also have to make sure you have the module 'loop' loaded i think |
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| 01:18.52 | streuner | !firmware installer |
| 01:19.09 | dvs | smacks dpkg |
| 01:19.12 | rattatoue | streuner: you tried that a few minutes ago it didnt work then either lol |
| 01:19.23 | streuner | rattatoue: hehe :-) |
| 01:19.24 | engla | gnarface: but you won't be able to modify the iso that way |
| 01:19.45 | rattatoue | okay I will do the debian install and then I shall be back, hopefully get help setting up my wireless USB from a complete install |
| 01:20.58 | streuner | rattatoue: maybe that -http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse |
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| 01:21.09 | streuner | rattatoue: helps* |
| 01:21.38 | streuner | omg, USB..., thats fun in Linux... |
| 01:21.59 | streuner | specially wireless... |
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| 01:22.03 | Vasistha | alfplayer: then between base and 100% there is steady volume increase; then it goes up to 153% (+11 dB) and there's no difference between 100% and 153% |
| 01:22.04 | alfplayer | Vasistha: hmm, I can think that it may be because you have been using alsamixer, because in theory you should never use alsamixer if you are using pulse |
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| 01:22.04 | Vasistha | alfplayer: well, it acts like this after a reboot too ... although true, in the past I have made adjustments with alsamixer. Are you suggesting that I should somehow reset the alsa preferences? |
| 01:22.04 | alfplayer | Vasistha: i read it's segfaulting, maybe before? |
| 01:22.05 | alfplayer | Vasistha: I wouldn't know how to do it or if it would be useful, but I think it's something to try |
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| 01:22.05 | Vasistha | hmmm. |
| 01:22.05 | alfplayer | Vasistha: or if you get alsamixer working you can mess with it to see of you can get good adjustments inside pavucontrol |
| 01:22.05 | dpkg | Debian-Installer since Lenny is able to load additional <firmware>, by including it within installation media or supplying on removable media (e.g. USB stick, floppy). See http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch06s04 and http://dannf.org/bloggf/tech/add-firmware-to . To include firmware within Debian <netboot> images, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/NetbootFirmware . See also <firmware images>. http://deb.li/3tGse |
| 01:22.05 | Vasistha | alfplayer: alsamixer doesn't work as long as pulse is running |
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| 01:22.24 | dvs | ???? |
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| 01:22.38 | dvs | streuner: what'd you do? |
| 01:22.41 | cafuego | Well done streuner |
| 01:22.46 | streuner | hehe |
| 01:23.03 | gnarface | engla: you won't? i thought i'd done it before... if not you could follow these directions instead: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Modify/CD |
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| 01:23.29 | streuner | dvs: pray, driver support for USB in Linux isnt good |
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| 01:24.02 | dvs | because there's too many damn devices. |
| 01:24.03 | streuner | cafuego: my old friend :-P |
| 01:24.05 | alfplayer | Vasistha: I'm not on debian atm, but I can open alsamixer in my system, and I'm using pulse just fine |
| 01:24.14 | streuner | dvs, hm |
| 01:24.16 | Vasistha | alfplayer: interesting. |
| 01:24.16 | gnarface | wow massive lag |
| 01:24.31 | streuner | dvs, maybe he is lucky, who knows... |
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| 01:24.46 | alfplayer | Vasistha: segfaults are not OK, you know |
| 01:24.54 | chelz | any ideas for a short command to sort all files in a directory by last modified time, newer at the top? |
| 01:25.18 | Vasistha | alfplayer: well... yeah... what they really mean is that I should uninstall wheezy and go back to squeeze. |
| 01:25.40 | alfplayer | Vasistha: that's beyond me :) |
| 01:25.43 | Vasistha | chelz: ls -t |
| 01:25.55 | cafuego | chelz: ls -lt |
| 01:26.08 | chelz | oh right, ls has -R |
| 01:26.13 | cafuego | chelz: You put the newwest at the bottom, ls -lrt |
| 01:26.25 | Vasistha | chelz: yeah, I think you don't want -R |
| 01:26.41 | Vasistha | or -r |
| 01:26.42 | chelz | well i can reverse the order easily, my issue was just how to get a list |
| 01:27.07 | chelz | ls -Rrt i think should do it |
| 01:27.08 | Vasistha | chelz: ls -t default behavior is to put newest at top |
| 01:27.36 | nutron | Without actually running gnome/kde, what handles mounting removable devices? I assume the accepted method is triggered via udev .. but I see udisks seems to be common. Hal is dead, now what? |
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| 01:28.05 | streuner | nothing |
| 01:28.20 | streuner | by default |
| 01:28.28 | Vasistha | nutron: I usually just do it manually, maybe you should /msg dpkg automount |
| 01:29.05 | chelz | hm dang actually, the output of ls -R is quite different from find's output |
| 01:29.26 | cafuego | chelz: So what are you actually trying to do? |
| 01:29.27 | nutron | streuner: indeed, how ... minmalistic |
| 01:29.39 | cafuego | nutron: `pmount' is very helpful. |
| 01:29.44 | streuner | nutron: thats *NIX... |
| 01:29.44 | chelz | cafuego: make sense of an old VM i have lying around. i want to see the latest files i messed with to find out what it was for |
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| 01:29.58 | cafuego | chelz: oh - lol :-) |
| 01:30.06 | nutron | Vasistha: aye, I'm trying to diagnose a few issues regarding drives. Seems I haven't kept up with this stuff lately. |
| 01:30.44 | Vasistha | nutron: I haven't either. If you're trying to diagnose, my inclination would definitely be to do things manually |
| 01:30.48 | streuner | nutron: it worked with GNOME2 very nice, but automount isnt a feature of *NIX at all ;-) |
| 01:30.55 | nutron | streuner: heh agreed, I took it for granted after running gnome for ages... seems I didn't really understand that it was a gnome type dependency. |
| 01:31.27 | nutron | pulls out the obvious stick to smack streuner around a bit |
| 01:31.51 | Vasistha | chelz: you could do e.g. find -exec ls -dt {} + |
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| 01:32.07 | Vasistha | chelz: might want to pipe that to less or some such |
| 01:32.12 | Vasistha | or redirect it, even |
| 01:32.17 | chelz | Vasistha: that's an idea. sure + and not \; ? |
| 01:32.23 | chelz | since order is important |
| 01:32.23 | nutron | heh, well yeah I know it's sparse at best, now my cd drives seem to eject/close magically etc. so I'm stripping things bare, hence my asking what does the mounting now... |
| 01:32.29 | streuner | nutron: USB is totally overrated, IMO :-P |
| 01:32.34 | Vasistha | chelz: yes, + is better |
| 01:32.52 | Vasistha | chelz: the difference is that, if you have 100 files, ls will be called 100 times with \; and only once (with 100 parameters) with + |
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| 01:33.14 | nutron | streuner: some days I'd agree, if it weren't for the EFI shells I need to keep happy, I'd throw away all usb sticks. |
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| 01:33.28 | Vasistha | chelz: of course if you run to the limit of params, then there may be separate calls to ls, which could cause your long list to not be sorted properly |
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| 01:34.03 | chelz | Vasistha: yeah, that seems kinda risky |
| 01:34.15 | Vasistha | chelz: we could do something... creative... |
| 01:35.14 | streuner | nutron: EFI? |
| 01:35.31 | chelz | Vasistha: i found some hackyish stuff on a post here: http://stackoverflow.com/a/8049751 |
| 01:35.38 | nutron | Extended Firmware Interface (tm) (R) (c) Intel |
| 01:35.59 | streuner | omg, /me feels so old |
| 01:36.10 | nutron | Still running Macs? |
| 01:36.15 | nutron | =) |
| 01:36.17 | streuner | sure |
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| 01:36.54 | Vasistha | chelz: find -exec ls -ld --time-style +%Y-%m-%d_%H-%M-%S + | while read perms links owner group size date name; do echo "$date $perms $links $owner $group $size $name"; done | sort | tee find-output |
| 01:37.00 | nutron | Sorry it's Extensible, not Extended. |
| 01:37.19 | nutron | Vasistha: ftbfs |
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| 01:39.49 | chelz | Vasistha: hmm interesting |
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| 01:48.11 | chelz | Vasistha: thanks very much, that last find seems to be working just fine |
| 01:48.22 | Vasistha | chelz: you're welcome |
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| 01:57.25 | asdf1234 | can anyone here help me with Pure-ftpd |
| 01:57.33 | dvs | !ask |
| 01:57.34 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 01:58.08 | asdf1234 | i can connect using filezilla, i just want the user not to be chroot'd to their home dir |
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| 01:58.27 | Delf | how do I change from squeeze to sid? |
| 01:58.32 | asdf1234 | i have futzed with the -d -D cant figure it out |
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| 01:58.43 | gnarface | Delf: i think you have to change to wheezy first, fyi |
| 01:59.09 | Delf | how is that done? |
| 01:59.27 | gnarface | i think you want to ask the bot about upgrade |
| 01:59.31 | burd | You would be better off just installing Sid if the machine is there with you |
| 01:59.48 | gnarface | i disagree with that burd, the unstable installers blow |
| 01:59.56 | Delf | gnarface: It's remote. |
| 02:00.14 | gnarface | asdf1234: you read the manpage? |
| 02:00.22 | asdf1234 | 2 hrs |
| 02:00.58 | asdf1234 | it says -D wont chroot but that does not work |
| 02:01.15 | asdf1234 | it says -d is like ./ at end boxing them into home dir |
| 02:02.25 | gnarface | asdf1234: probably you have to run it as root and not have -A on the command line parameter or go to this link: http://download.pureftpd.org/pub/pure-ftpd/doc/FAQ and scroll down to "* Restricting directory visibility." and then make sure you're NOT doing anything in that list |
| 02:03.14 | asdf1234 | thx |
| 02:03.14 | gnarface | asdf1234: that took me longer to type than to google up and i've never even touched the server. you need to learn to use the tools at your disposal better |
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| 02:05.04 | gnarface | Delf: you can talk to the bot and say squeeze->wheezy or wheezy->sid and it will give you further instructions and condescend to you |
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| 02:05.55 | gnarface | Delf: whatever you do, don't ask it about squeeze->sid because it will try to talk you out of it |
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| 02:05.57 | Delf | gnarface: I'll go to the machine and install sid. |
| 02:06.13 | gnarface | Delf: again, i don't advise using the unstable installer for anything |
| 02:06.20 | gnarface | Delf: but do as you wish |
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| 02:06.29 | manhunter | anyone there? |
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| 02:06.37 | dvs | nope |
| 02:06.45 | gnarface | Delf: i suspect you're gonna end up having wasted a drive and installing squeeze then upgrading anyway |
| 02:06.48 | Delf | gnarface: The sid's packages are more up to date and they contain more bug fixes |
| 02:06.49 | asdf1234 | yeah i am doing -a 1003 for the group i have read this 10 times |
| 02:07.02 | gnarface | Delf: the bot will also talk to you about backports |
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| 02:07.13 | asdf1234 | assuming 1003 is the /etc/groups gid |
| 02:07.33 | Delf | backports are more up to date than squeeze but not more than sid |
| 02:07.38 | gnarface | Delf: which is a good thing for you to look into, as well, but i'm still trying to help you get to sid. |
| 02:07.44 | asdf1234 | cat /etc/group |
| 02:07.44 | manhunter | i have installed debian squeeze, but the gnome/gtk library is older, i want to install those library from source , is there any problem? |
| 02:08.01 | asdf1234 | no -A |
| 02:08.06 | Delf | gnarface: it's appreciated :D |
| 02:08.13 | gnarface | Delf: the squeeze installer simply works far more often than the the testing or unstable installers |
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| 02:08.42 | manhunter | i want to update glib and gtk installing from source, any problem? |
| 02:08.43 | gnarface | Delf: so most of us use the squeeze installer then upgrade |
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| 02:09.05 | gnarface | Delf: the trick is you do a minimal install, not a desktop or server install |
| 02:09.14 | Delf | gnarface: I see. If I get stuck, I'll install squeeze and upgrade from there. |
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| 02:10.04 | Delf | gnarface: when upgrading dist from squeeze to sid I do minimal install? |
| 02:10.15 | somiaj | Delf: if you have another computer or a live system with debootstrap that is the way I prefer to install testing or unstable directally. |
| 02:10.17 | gnarface | Delf: when installing squeeze you do a minimal install |
| 02:10.38 | Delf | I see |
| 02:10.50 | somiaj | Delf: though are you sure you want to run sid, you will spend as much time fixing your computer as using it...(: -- do backports not suit your needs? |
| 02:10.51 | gnarface | Delf: then you install your desktop and server stuff after upgrading |
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| 02:11.10 | Delf | somiaj: They are not up to date like sid |
| 02:11.28 | gnarface | dpkg: tell manhunter about backports |
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| 02:12.01 | gnarface | manhunter: its customary to use a backport if available |
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| 02:12.37 | somiaj | Delf: you can make your own backports. Also realize a lot of security and some bug fixes are backported to squeeze in the debian main packages. |
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| 02:12.54 | somiaj | Delf: though I like sid myself, just wouldn't suggest it to someone who isn't familar with debian policy and managment. |
| 02:12.55 | k-man | how do you include a user name in a .ssh/config hostname? is it just HostName user@somehost.com.au |
| 02:13.11 | manhunter | gnarface: i don't want to install from backports, i want to install from source |
| 02:13.18 | manhunter | gnarface: any problem? |
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| 02:14.14 | gnarface | manhunter: just that you cannot safely always uninstall |
| 02:14.44 | gnarface | manhunter: or cleanly upgrade |
| 02:14.51 | gnarface | dpkg: tell manhunter about checkinstall |
| 02:15.04 | somiaj | k-man: is this so you don't have to type 'ssh user@host' as opposed to just 'ssh host'? |
| 02:15.26 | k-man | somiaj, yeah - but i think i worked it out, you have to use the User keyword |
| 02:15.40 | somiaj | k-man: yea man ssh_config should tell you what you need to know |
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| 02:15.58 | k-man | thanks somiaj |
| 02:17.10 | somiaj | manhunter: by install from source do you mean just use 'make install' or create your own custom .deb package from your source compiles? |
| 02:17.27 | manhunter | ./configure;make;make install |
| 02:18.05 | gnarface | manhunter: that's not advised, but using checkinstall is trivially harder |
| 02:18.33 | Delf | Thanks for the help! :D |
| 02:18.55 | somiaj | manhunter: just make sure you intsall in /usr/local (or /opt) as that won't conflict with debian's package manager. If you want to originize /usr/local look into stow (/msg dpkg stow) if you have debian packages that depend on the software you are compling check out equivs (/msg dpkg equivs) |
| 02:19.59 | somiaj | manhunter: but doing this for glibc sounds like a pain. Why must you upgrade glibc as everything depends on that and you will most likely cause bugs |
| 02:20.29 | somiaj | manhunter: as for gtk, not the bigest issue, it is a core libary so you may find that making your own backport (/msg dpkg ssbp) is prefered over a source compile since so many other package will depend on it |
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| 02:21.02 | manhunter | somiaj: do you mean, ./configure --prefix=/opt ? |
| 02:21.17 | somiaj | manhunter: well most configure scripts by default put thigns in /usr/local which is just fine |
| 02:21.27 | somiaj | manhunter: you just don't want to have a source compile overwrite debian files in /usr |
| 02:21.57 | manhunter | somiaj: are all debian files in /usr ? |
| 02:22.08 | somiaj | manhunter: again if you think you need to do this for glibc you are doing something wrong and may want to restarte your problem and why you want to upgrade glibc |
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| 02:22.44 | somiaj | manhunter: yes the default prefix for debian packages is /usr (note things are put in a few other places like /var /etc) but this allows you to compile your own source packages andinstall them in /usr/local to work just fine. |
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| 02:23.59 | manhunter | somiaj: i got this from glib ./configure --help, By default, `make install' will install all the files in |
| 02:24.01 | manhunter | `/usr/local/bin', `/usr/local/lib' etc. |
| 02:24.07 | drags | Is there an apt command for listing the repositories currently configured for use? |
| 02:24.08 | manhunter | somiaj: so is that ok? |
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| 02:24.38 | drags | something more official than guessing based on the contents of sources.list{,d/*} |
| 02:24.47 | Capso | I'm running Debian on a laptop. How can I switch screens to an external monitor? |
| 02:24.50 | somiaj | manhunter: sure but you may break your system (not because you are doing a source install but because you are going to add a very core libary that conflicts with the debian version) |
| 02:24.53 | Capso | My function key does not work |
| 02:24.57 | Capso | somiaj: hey :-) |
| 02:24.58 | chelz | drags: apt-cache policy maybe |
| 02:25.04 | somiaj | drags: apt-cache policy libc6 |
| 02:25.08 | somiaj | or othe package name. |
| 02:25.25 | chelz | drags: you can use "apt-cache policy" by itself too, with no args |
| 02:25.29 | somiaj | Capso: xrandr and use xev to see if xorg sees correct events for your function keys. |
| 02:25.48 | manhunter | somiaj: but that will be installed in /usr/local so what's wrong with that? |
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| 02:26.24 | somiaj | manhunter: most software links against glibc (libc6) so what happens if your linker links a binary against the wrong libary |
| 02:26.24 | drags | chelz / somiaj thanks |
| 02:26.53 | somiaj | manhunter: it may work, you may have strange bugs that can only be accredited to what you are doing |
| 02:27.00 | manhunter | somiaj: can't i then uninstall if there is any problem? |
| 02:27.02 | somiaj | manhunter: agian why do you think you need to compile glibc by hand? |
| 02:27.34 | somiaj | manhunter: sure, and provided everything works, you are just doing something that could put strange artificts on your os that will creep up some day |
| 02:27.44 | Capso | somiaj: I don't want to configure the keys so much as I just want to switch monitors. |
| 02:27.44 | manhunter | somiaj: make uninstall won't do the job for me? |
| 02:28.28 | somiaj | manhunter: it should, but again why do you want to compile a different version of glibc for your computer? |
| 02:28.50 | gnarface | manhunter: make uninstall won't always work |
| 02:28.56 | manhunter | somiaj: because i need to get latest gnome software to install, i need the latest glib for dependenci |
| 02:28.57 | somiaj | Capso: plug in your monintor, type 'xrandr -q' in a console, do you see the list of your other monintors and the modes it accepts? |
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| 02:29.25 | gnarface | manhunter: why do you need to get the latest gnome software? |
| 02:29.26 | gnarface | ugh |
| 02:29.27 | Capso | somiaj: yes. I see LVDS1 and VGA1. VGA1 is my external monitor |
| 02:29.52 | somiaj | manhunter: you are going about this the wrong way. Installing the latest gnome on squeeze is not advised and you if you want to run the latest gnome I'd suggest either a) a different distro that uses it in their default release or b) run wheezy and deal with the bugs and help debian test them. |
| 02:30.23 | somiaj | Capso: well you can either 'man xrandr' and type in commands by hand (way I do it cause I use fvwm) though usually a desktop enviorment has a gui front end to this, do you run gnome? |
| 02:30.46 | Capso | somiaj: no, I run a custom environment |
| 02:30.49 | somiaj | manhunter: I guess you could do c) install a testing chroot, and run your xserver/gnome from the chrot |
| 02:31.09 | somiaj | Capso: do you want to turn off your lcd, mirror or have it as a second monintor? |
| 02:31.21 | Capso | somiaj: do I need to configure xorg.conf for the other monitor too? :-( |
| 02:31.30 | Capso | somiaj: turn off lcd |
| 02:31.43 | somiaj | Capso: no xrandr does it all (though you may have to restart your wm for it to see the new settings) |
| 02:32.13 | somiaj | Capso: xrandr --output LVDS1 --off --output VGA1 --mode <pick a mode from th list here> |
| 02:32.25 | somiaj | Capso: xrandr --output LVDS1 --off --output VGA1 --mode <pick a mode from th list here> --pos 0x0 |
| 02:32.49 | nutron | hmm .. seems something changed for me somewhere. If I pipe aptitude output via less, it seems my column widths go to 80 chars... term setting I assume |
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| 02:35.17 | manhunter | somiaj: did you ever try installing glib from source? |
| 02:35.28 | Capso | somiaj: thanks mate. |
| 02:35.43 | Capso | somiaj: how about if I wanted to extend it? |
| 02:36.17 | somiaj | Capso: xrandr --output foo --mode bar --pos 0x0 --output foo2 --mode bar2 --right-of foo |
| 02:36.25 | somiaj | Capso: from here you can just man xrandr |
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| 02:37.00 | Capso | somiaj: ok great, thanks. |
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| 02:37.31 | somiaj | Capso: seems there is a arandr if you want to try a simple gui frontend to this |
| 02:37.49 | somiaj | manhunter: no I wouldn't do such a crazy thing on my system. I would do it in a chroot |
| 02:38.39 | somiaj | manhunter: if you are doing all this to run gnome3 on squeeze you are going to just enter in a world of hurt as walter would say |
| 02:38.55 | somiaj | or was it a world of pain |
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| 02:42.59 | manhunter | somiaj: ok, then how can i get the latest gnome packages on debian? |
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| 02:43.29 | manhunter | somiaj: should i install wheeze for that? |
| 02:43.51 | somiaj | manhunter: in debian squeeze you don't. so you have two options. Upgrade to wheezy (or sid) or make a wheezy/sid chroot and run your xserver from insidde the chroot |
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| 02:44.13 | manhunter | somiaj: ok |
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| 02:44.49 | manhunter | somiaj: where can i get the wheeze.is file? |
| 02:44.50 | somiaj | the advantage of the chroot is your system is stable so if you break something your computer still will run on a stable system in the background |
| 02:44.52 | manhunter | somiaj: where can i get the wheeze.iso file? |
| 02:45.20 | manhunter | somiaj: but i can't understand the chroot process you are talking about |
| 02:45.26 | somiaj | manhunter: if you have debian installed just change 'squeeze' to 'wheezy' in your sources.list, remove all security.debian.org sources, and then aptitude update && aptitude full-upgrade |
| 02:45.39 | somiaj | manhunter: note be prepared to fix anything that breaks in this process |
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| 02:57.03 | ParkerR | somiaj, No love for apt-get? :P |
| 02:57.22 | somiaj | ParkerR: I try to suggest people use aptitude (Despite I use apt-get almost exclusivally) |
| 02:57.26 | dvs | old news! |
| 02:57.36 | ParkerR | somiaj, Ahh cool |
| 02:57.58 | somiaj | ParkerR: aptitude seems to be slightly more intelligent in some circumstances and has been the method of upgrade choice. |
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| 03:09.36 | findme | hi any one has worked on dell 1950II |
| 03:09.44 | dvs | !ask |
| 03:09.44 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 03:10.36 | trysten_ | old news! |
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| 03:11.05 | dvs | but it still happens |
| 03:11.24 | trysten | is old news |
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| 03:14.24 | findme | !tell |
| 03:14.30 | findme | !seek |
| 03:15.19 | technologov | Is it known whenever Debian 7.0 will ship 3.2 or a 3.3 kernel ? |
| 03:15.35 | dvs | nope |
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| 03:25.29 | tsccof | has anyone noticed some VLC instability, on squeeze? |
| 03:26.33 | Resilience | I'm aptitude-ing my debian box (debian testing) and I have this new kernel package linux-image-3.2.0-1-rt-686-pae and I was wondering if installing this package makes my actual kernel be erased.. I would wanted to have some real-time kernel to play around, but having the "normal" kernel for everyday use, can I install the rt package? or cannot? |
| 03:28.01 | tsccof | Resilience: well, if they don't conflict(aptitude will tell you if they do), then you should be able to have them installed side-by-side |
| 03:28.33 | ludlow | boooya! |
| 03:28.44 | Resilience | tsccof, how can aotitue tell me it? by pressing enter? or how? |
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| 03:29.27 | tsccof | Resilience: yes, confirm the install, and then, when aptitude is solving the dependencies, if it finds a conflict, it will tell you |
| 03:29.53 | Resilience | tsccof, ok, I will try |
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| 03:35.09 | thorie | is there a mysql workbench package? |
| 03:35.53 | thorie | can i use these ubunto packages? |
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| 03:37.02 | thorie | i don't know what ubuntu is but it has similarly named .deb files |
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| 03:38.58 | KissPro | #flood |
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| 03:41.39 | manhunter | anyone there? |
| 03:43.02 | dvs | zzzzzzzzz |
| 03:43.35 | manhunter | i'm going to install debian from hard disk, which media should i download? |
| 03:43.49 | manhunter | i have this now, Debian GNU/Linux 6.0.2.1 "Squeeze" - Official i386 CD Binary-1 |
| 03:43.57 | manhunter | 20110626-15:45 |
| 03:44.09 | manhunter | so which version of hdmedia should i download? |
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| 03:49.35 | KissPro | who are you? |
| 03:49.58 | manhunter | fuck |
| 03:50.06 | KissPro | i'm new member |
| 03:50.10 | KissPro | what? |
| 03:52.21 | findme | When buying a Dell M600 Blade Server, would my Desktop Keyboard,mouse,monitor work or do I have to get a different KVM's? |
| 03:52.50 | findme | also power supply would that work from the Desktop class or do I need a server class Chord ? |
| 03:53.36 | findme | lastly can I install debian from a USB stick on this server! |
| 03:54.06 | nevyn | you deffinitly don't need a chord. you might need a cord tho |
| 03:54.25 | nevyn | if you're buying a blade server you know you need a blade chassis to put it in? |
| 03:54.26 | findme | ok |
| 03:54.47 | elise-- | Wtf a blade is rack mounted aren't they |
| 03:54.54 | chelz | findme: you'd have to check the manual pdf to be sure, but most stuff boots from usb these days |
| 03:54.57 | findme | hmm its a M600 |
| 03:55.07 | nevyn | elise--: hell no. |
| 03:55.36 | elise-- | Um |
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| 03:55.47 | nevyn | well the chassis is. |
| 03:55.53 | nevyn | but the blade itself isn't |
| 03:55.58 | findme | ok should i rather go for a Optiplex Desktop then / seems like a safer bet |
| 03:56.18 | elise-- | LOL |
| 03:56.29 | jeremiah_gatong | Hi all, I'm using debian squeeze, I wonder how can I if I got back sectors on my 1TB HD |
| 03:56.38 | elise-- | Google the word clue |
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| 03:56.54 | alfplayer | with pulseaudio, how to reconfigure an audio port as input or output, if it is supported by the audio device (e.g. onboard audio)? is it with module-remap-sink? |
| 03:57.03 | chelz | jeremiah_gatong: try rephrasing that |
| 03:57.30 | findme | he means bad sectors |
| 03:57.58 | findme | he got bad sectors and he needs help in figuring it out. |
| 03:58.21 | chelz | badblocks and hdparm |
| 03:59.12 | jeremiah_gatong | yah, If we will always point to google as the answer there is no sense at all of using this channel. |
| 03:59.33 | jeremiah_gatong | every question will have generic answer of "google it" |
| 03:59.49 | jeremiah_gatong | How can I do this => google it |
| 03:59.57 | jeremiah_gatong | how can I turn this => google it |
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| 04:00.03 | chelz | jeremiah_gatong: you should probably google about googling that |
| 04:00.05 | jeremiah_gatong | fits all scenario |
| 04:00.05 | elise-- | I was talking to someone else sorry |
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| 04:00.15 | elise-- | Bad timing |
| 04:00.17 | jeremiah_gatong | hehe: chelz |
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| 04:00.30 | jeremiah_gatong | thats funny |
| 04:00.35 | jeremiah_gatong | btw, any direct answer |
| 04:00.37 | jeremiah_gatong | :) |
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| 04:01.23 | nevyn | findme: it depends what you want to do. if you're buying 1 server then a blade wouldn't be my starting point more like a poweredge 2u rackmount thing. |
| 04:02.17 | chelz | there are lots of pedestal servers for small business / home office use |
| 04:02.18 | jeremiah_gatong | np elise |
| 04:02.27 | chelz | hp proiliant line is for that use case |
| 04:02.38 | nevyn | the ml specifically |
| 04:02.50 | alfplayer | or using plain alsa? |
| 04:03.15 | chelz | right yes, seem to be a few rackmount proliants |
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| 04:04.51 | johnfg | Hi guys |
| 04:04.57 | nevyn | alfplayer: changing the input jack type is something that I'm not sure that pulse can do right now. |
| 04:05.04 | jeremiah_gatong | Hello johnfg |
| 04:05.04 | johnfg | Running squeeze with all up to date. |
| 04:05.15 | jeremiah_gatong | same here |
| 04:05.25 | alfplayer | nevyn: thanks |
| 04:05.27 | nevyn | alfplayer: people are working on it. aiui as part of the jack_detect stuff that will tell userspace more about the codec graph |
| 04:05.28 | jvogel | hey, does anyone have any recommendations on what software I should use to mount a directory of another Linux system on the same internal network? |
| 04:05.37 | elise-- | Buy 15 blades and use the network to distributedly play whatever game... |
| 04:05.42 | nevyn | alfplayer: I'd suggest asking in #pulseaudio |
| 04:05.43 | jvogel | besides SSHFS, unless you know how to make SSHFS permanently mount |
| 04:05.43 | alfplayer | nevyn: ALSA can do it? |
| 04:05.45 | johnfg | I'm configuring nfs and all looks right, but I get this error message: mount.nfs: Unknown error 3218219008 |
| 04:05.49 | nevyn | alfplayer: maybe. |
| 04:06.01 | alfplayer | nevyn: that's very interesting |
| 04:06.09 | johnfg | An each time I try the mount command it's giving me a different number. |
| 04:06.27 | alfplayer | nevyn: I've asked in #pulseaudio, I'm not getting an answer so far |
| 04:06.29 | nevyn | alfplayer: the reconfigurable codec widget stuff is still pretty icky |
| 04:06.35 | johnfg | I've googled this but am not finding much help, as that number won't come up in the search. |
| 04:06.38 | ujbando | jvogel: nfs is usually a safe bet |
| 04:06.56 | alfplayer | nevyn: i'll look for that |
| 04:07.17 | jeremiah_gatong | yah, google sometimes is not the best choice, I gues you are in the right place to ask question |
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| 04:07.29 | nevyn | alfplayer: pulse should expose this using profiles if at all |
| 04:07.47 | nevyn | I don't know that there's a sensible way for alsa to present this configuration tweak |
| 04:08.30 | ujbando | johnfg: probably hitting an unitialized state, what does your nfs config look like |
| 04:08.32 | alfplayer | nevyn: I ask about alsa just to get some info, I don't think I'm dropping pulse because of this |
| 04:09.18 | nevyn | http://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Help_To_Debug_Intel_HDA |
| 04:09.29 | nevyn | alfplayer: it's not an either or. |
| 04:09.42 | nevyn | pulse isn't an alternative to alsa it's a component of it. |
| 04:09.53 | jeremiah_gatong | g2g |
| 04:09.53 | johnfg | ujbando, You mean exports? and what else? Like what I did in shares-admin? |
| 04:09.54 | nevyn | that provides some features. |
| 04:10.00 | alfplayer | nevyn: sure, I meant plain alsa |
| 04:10.24 | nevyn | right. which means no per app volume control no redirectable streams etc |
| 04:10.47 | nevyn | and writing all static audio configuration in .asoundrc ese. |
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| 04:11.11 | manhunter | anyone there? |
| 04:11.14 | alfplayer | nevyn: yeah, I've been using pulse for a while now, it wouldn't be nice to go back |
| 04:11.20 | ujbando | johnfg yeah exports and that you have the nfs daemon running, rpc and such |
| 04:11.25 | nevyn | but the thing is.. if alsa can't present the knob to twiddle. pulse doesn't make it appear. |
| 04:11.30 | ujbando | and what your mount command is |
| 04:11.35 | manhunter | can anyone post a link for hd media? Debian GNU/Linux 6.0.2.1 "Squeeze" 20110626 |
| 04:11.40 | manhunter | i have this, Debian GNU/Linux 6.0.2.1 "Squeeze" 20110626 |
| 04:11.50 | manhunter | i need hd-media for Debian GNU/Linux 6.0.2.1 "Squeeze" 20110626 |
| 04:11.58 | manhunter | i'm going to install from hard disk |
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| 04:12.57 | alfplayer | nevyn: very interesting, thanks |
| 04:14.24 | manhunter | can anyone? |
| 04:14.40 | manhunter | somiaj: ? |
| 04:14.50 | manhunter | has anyone installed debian from hard disk? |
| 04:15.15 | somiaj | manhunter: look up debootstrap |
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| 04:15.36 | somiaj | manhunter: if you have a running linux system. |
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| 04:16.04 | ujbando | manhunter:http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/squeeze/main/installer-i386/current/images/hd-media/ |
| 04:16.42 | manhunter | ujbando: will that current version do the job? |
| 04:16.51 | manhunter | ujbando: it's Debian GNU/Linux 6.0.2.1 "Squeeze" 20110626 for me |
| 04:16.56 | johnfg | ujbando, Maybe I'll try a reboot and see if that initializes things. |
| 04:17.07 | manhunter | ujbando: i don't have the current version of debian iso |
| 04:17.08 | ujbando | manhunter: no idea, never installed from a hard drive |
| 04:17.23 | manhunter | somiaj: what is debootstrap ? can you post link? |
| 04:17.55 | somiaj | manhunter: after you install 6.0.2.1 just upgrade it to 6.0.4 it is mostly just security and bug fixes, you can install with that media just fine |
| 04:18.11 | somiaj | manhunter: http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap |
| 04:18.32 | manhunter | somiaj: i need hd-media to install from hard disk |
| 04:18.50 | somiaj | manhunter: then follow the link ujbando gave you |
| 04:18.52 | manhunter | somiaj: upgrading is the last part, first part is to install it |
| 04:19.08 | manhunter | somiaj: that is for current version of hd-media, will that do the job? |
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| 04:21.32 | manhunter | somiaj: i have the older version of debian |
| 04:21.49 | somiaj | manhunter: so why not just install that |
| 04:21.55 | ujbando | manhunter: this link is probably closer it is from june 2011, http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/squeeze/main/installer-i386/20110106+squeeze3/images/hd-media/ |
| 04:21.57 | somiaj | manhunter: and then upgrade it with internet sources. |
| 04:22.24 | manhunter | somiaj: upgrading is the last part |
| 04:22.31 | manhunter | somiaj: i need to firs install it |
| 04:22.42 | somiaj | thinks manhunter is a but he keeps saying the same things |
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| 04:23.04 | manhunter | ujbando: i tried with http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/squeeze/main/installer-i386/20110106+squeeze3/images/hd-media/ , but i could not find my debian iso file |
| 04:23.19 | manhunter | i put the debian iso and those hd-media in / |
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| 04:23.33 | manhunter | but the installer could not find it to load drivers |
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| 04:27.37 | ujbando | manhunter: you might want to read through this, it might help you figure out what you need, http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ |
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| 04:30.08 | manhunter | ujbando: can't find anything in that link |
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| 04:32.17 | ujbando | manhunter: weird, that link pulls up the installation guide for me |
| 04:33.13 | manhunter | ujbando: good, but see for hard disk installation |
| 04:33.52 | ujbando | yes you have to look in the other areas like prep'ing for install, it gets around to describing it |
| 04:34.02 | ParkerR | Odd question here. Can I have a command run when I plug in a device? In this case I want to run ifuse /home/parker/Desktop/ipod --root when I connect my iPod. Is there a way to detect that? |
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| 04:34.40 | nevyn | yep |
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| 04:34.50 | nevyn | udev is in this case your friend |
| 04:35.22 | ParkerR | Ok. Do I have combine udev with another program to handel the running? |
| 04:35.32 | ParkerR | *handle |
| 04:35.52 | nevyn | nope. just make a udev rule. |
| 04:36.13 | ParkerR | Oh sweet. Will google. |
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| 04:39.50 | sanitypassing | is it possible to install debian on a second harddrive, and select between the two during startup? |
| 04:40.01 | ParkerR | nevyn, Judging by the output of sudo udevadm monitor it will matter what USB port I plug it into |
| 04:40.10 | nevyn | nah. |
| 04:40.18 | ParkerR | Btw this isn't a removable memory device |
| 04:40.19 | nevyn | you can detect based on the usb vid/pid |
| 04:40.23 | ParkerR | Ahh |
| 04:40.25 | ParkerR | Ok |
| 04:41.50 | nomasteryoda | sanitypassing, yes |
| 04:42.02 | nomasteryoda | using the grub2 boot manager |
| 04:42.23 | nomasteryoda | it will autodetect and add both of them to the boot menu |
| 04:43.25 | sanitypassing | ok, cool. Thanks. |
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| 04:44.44 | ParkerR | nevyn, Ok one thing mentions sudo nano /etc/udev/rules.d/85-my_rule.rules . Should this file already be there or do I make it? |
| 04:45.00 | nevyn | you make it. |
| 04:45.04 | ParkerR | Ok. |
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| 04:46.26 | nevyn | 85-ipod-fuse-mount |
| 04:46.32 | nevyn | my-rule sucks ;) |
| 04:47.02 | ParkerR | Haha so it can be any name? |
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| 04:48.29 | ParkerR | nevyn, Ok so my rule is ACTION=="add", SUBSYSTEM=="usb_device", SYSFS{idVendor}=="05ac", SYSFS{idProduct}=="1290", RUN+="ifuse /home/parker/Desktop/ipod --root" |
| 04:48.53 | nevyn | that looks about right. |
| 04:49.01 | ParkerR | Brb |
| 04:49.06 | nevyn | ParkerR: the number is important |
| 04:49.09 | nevyn | the label isn't |
| 04:49.17 | ParkerR | Ahh |
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| 04:51.34 | ParkerR | nevyn, Hmm doesnt seem to work. I wonder if the SUBSYSTEM name is wrong |
| 04:51.38 | ParkerR | Just rebooted |
| 04:51.50 | ParkerR | I open the folder and nada |
| 04:52.03 | nevyn | did you plugin the device? |
| 04:52.09 | ParkerR | Yeah :P |
| 04:52.12 | nevyn | or did you leave it plugged in during the reboot? |
| 04:52.22 | ParkerR | I unplugged and the rebooted |
| 04:52.25 | ParkerR | *then |
| 04:52.49 | nevyn | you did name it with .rules ? |
| 04:52.56 | ParkerR | Yep |
| 04:53.55 | ParkerR | And the lsusb line Bus 002 Device 004: ID 05ac:1290 Apple, Inc. iPhone |
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| 04:54.46 | somiaj | give the full path to ifuse? |
| 04:54.49 | ParkerR | Wait I wonder if I need a / at the end of the path in ifuse |
| 04:54.56 | ParkerR | Will try |
| 04:57.58 | ParkerR | nevyn, Weird. Watching it boot I saw udev: invalid rule and a path that that rule XD |
| 04:58.10 | ParkerR | So somethings wrong with it |
| 04:58.16 | nevyn | ParkerR: I think your syntax is foobar. |
| 04:58.41 | ParkerR | My new line ACTION=="add", SUBSYSTEM=="usb_device", SYSFS{idVendor}=="05ac", SYSFS{idProduct}=="1290", RUN+="/usr/bin/ifuse /home/parker/Desktop/ipod/ --root" |
| 04:59.06 | ParkerR | Took it from http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-502864.html |
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| 04:59.59 | ParkerR | Ooh :D 2. if you had SYMLINK+="ladys_camera", a ladys_camera device will be added to your /dev. |
| 05:00.03 | ParkerR | That's cool |
| 05:00.24 | ParkerR | Can give my webcam a staic dev point |
| 05:00.30 | ParkerR | *static |
| 05:00.41 | nevyn | yes you can. |
| 05:00.48 | nevyn | udev rules are actually awesome++ |
| 05:00.56 | ParkerR | I'm begging to like udev XD |
| 05:01.06 | ParkerR | Gaah *beginning |
| 05:03.15 | ParkerR | nevyn, Ok there is another suggestion in that thread "ACTION=="add", ATTRS{idVendor}=="040a", ATTRS{idProduct}=="0576", RUN+="/usr/local/my_script"" |
| 05:04.02 | nevyn | that looks simpler. |
| 05:04.05 | nevyn | give it a shot. |
| 05:04.13 | nevyn | you shouldn't need to reboot just restart udev |
| 05:04.18 | nevyn | (even that shouldn't be nessicary |
| 05:04.24 | nevyn | just a reload should be sufficient |
| 05:04.31 | ParkerR | /etc/init.d/udev restart? |
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| 05:04.46 | ParkerR | Just a guess on the path XD |
| 05:05.22 | ParkerR | Haha that was the path XD |
| 05:06.06 | nevyn | /sbin/service udev reload is the "new" way apparently |
| 05:06.09 | ujbando | ParkerR: you can also just use udevadm to trigger, so it looks like you re-plugged it in without having to fully restart udev |
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| 05:07.54 | ParkerR | nevyn, ATTR didnt work either |
| 05:08.01 | nevyn | hrm :( |
| 05:08.09 | nevyn | did you get rid of subsystem==? |
| 05:08.30 | nevyn | so.. udev rules are matched on == using the c (equality) definition of == |
| 05:08.34 | ujbando | the symlink option for udev is nice, I use it at home to give my pvr350 a static name (moves around v4l wise depending on what usb stuff is plugged in) |
| 05:08.38 | ParkerR | Oh I did not |
| 05:08.39 | nevyn | so you might be able to just drop some terms. |
| 05:08.40 | nutron | I was taking another look at backup solutions available in debian. Any new recommendations out there? |
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| 05:09.16 | ujbando | backuppc is nice |
| 05:10.11 | ParkerR | nevyn, Weird I dont have /sbin/service |
| 05:10.32 | nutron | ujbando: oh nice, the description intrigues me so far =) |
| 05:10.34 | jello | ParkerR: it's in sysvinit-utils |
| 05:10.38 | Rusty1 | nutron: bacula, rsync (grsync) come to mind, not new by any means |
| 05:10.41 | ParkerR | Ahh ok |
| 05:11.03 | nevyn | amanda |
| 05:11.14 | nevyn | nutron: amanda is still notaweful. |
| 05:11.22 | nutron | Rusty1: indeed bacula looked somewhat complicated imho, though I was about to delve into it again to give it another try. |
| 05:11.41 | ParkerR | Oh wait |
| 05:11.49 | ParkerR | My command isnt working by itself :/ |
| 05:11.53 | nevyn | bacula is a real backup system it has all the essential components (database tape labeling etc etc. |
| 05:13.17 | nutron | nevyn: aye, amanda hmm, does it do data de-duplication? |
| 05:13.28 | unomystEz | what's a good wifi dock applet compatible with xfce? |
| 05:13.28 | nutron | or are they full backup sets? |
| 05:13.41 | unomystEz | sick of command-line configuring my wifi networks in coffee shops =) |
| 05:14.10 | nevyn | nutron: hell no. |
| 05:14.20 | nevyn | nutron: even backula doesn't do anything that fancy. |
| 05:14.43 | nutron | indoobidably, well that sucks =) |
| 05:15.41 | Rusty1 | there's wicd-gtk that might fit the bill unomystEz |
| 05:16.11 | ParkerR | jello, O.o it says sysvinit-utils is already installed |
| 05:16.22 | unomystEz | Rusty1: thanks |
| 05:16.35 | ParkerR | Oh nvm |
| 05:16.55 | ParkerR | <nevyn> /sbin/service udev reload is the "new" way apparently <- You forgot usr :P |
| 05:17.02 | ParkerR | Threw me off |
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| 05:17.25 | avernos | wheezy has 3.2.0 kernel? |
| 05:17.32 | ParkerR | avernos, Yes |
| 05:17.33 | nutron | avernos: aye |
| 05:17.38 | avernos | ty :D |
| 05:18.22 | nutron | Xorg chewing 100% cpu all of a sudden ... I assume it's the latest nvidia blob driver causing idiocy. Am I correct? |
| 05:18.47 | penrod_ | greetings: accidentally changed the serial for a dns record of a domain I was changing ip addresses for. later noticed that the serial os for Oct of 2012, what options do I have ? |
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| 05:24.39 | jello | left quickly... |
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| 05:28.46 | jello | http://www.microhowto.info/howto/reset_the_serial_number_of_a_dns_zone.html |
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| 05:30.39 | somiaj | nutron: it could be an app, I see xorg goto 100% if some xapps go wonky |
| 05:33.20 | mah454 | Hello |
| 05:33.32 | mah454 | can mount rw squash filesystem ? |
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| 05:37.33 | ParkerR | mah454, Just sudo mkdir /media/folder then sudo mount /path/to/filesystem.squashfs /media/folder |
| 05:39.08 | mah454 | ParkerR, mount read/write |
| 05:39.17 | ParkerR | Yes it should be |
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| 05:42.49 | Kamu | I have wheezy (wheezy main [or what ever it is]) and nginx (squeeze nginx) repos added to my sources.list, I want to, using apt-get install nginx from the nginx repo instead of the wheezy repo, how do I do this? |
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| 05:44.30 | chelz | Kamu: apt-cache policy |
| 05:44.43 | chelz | to see what the nginx repo calls itself |
| 05:45.07 | chelz | then something like aptitude install nginx/nginxrepo |
| 05:45.36 | Kamu | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:45.41 | chelz | or a more heavyhanded way is aptitude install -t nginxrepo nginx |
| 05:45.47 | chelz | under that |
| 05:46.04 | Kamu | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:46.22 | Kamu | the problem I think is that it calls itself squeeze? |
| 05:46.42 | Kamu | so if I were to apt-get install -t squeeze nginx |
| 05:46.47 | chelz | well |
| 05:47.01 | chelz | if the version is newer in that repo then the latest version will be installed |
| 05:47.21 | chelz | that "500" means it has the default apt priority of 500 |
| 05:47.35 | chelz | to specifically give stuff different priorities you use apt pinning |
| 05:48.20 | Kamu | I see, does version number still take priority in that case? |
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| 05:49.23 | chelz | Kamu: if priority is the same, the next determining factor is version number |
| 05:49.51 | Kamu | ah righto |
| 05:50.09 | chelz | Kamu: man apt_preferences goes into that i think |
| 05:50.16 | chelz | if not one of the pages listed by man apt does |
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| 05:51.10 | Kamu | thanks chelz |
| 05:51.37 | chelz | np |
| 05:54.54 | Kamu | chelz: while I am here, I may aswell ask, what does the 'component' part of a sources.list entry actually do? I read the source.list man file but it doesn't actually say what it does or how to use it |
| 05:55.12 | Kamu | if I could install via component i could just use the nginx component.. but it doesn't seem to work that way |
| 05:56.45 | chelz | Kamu: manpage for sources.list says "component is one of main contrib non-free or non-us" |
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| 05:57.19 | chelz | Kamu: btw just check apt-cache policy nginx |
| 05:57.29 | chelz | and you can compare the versions you have available to install |
| 05:57.54 | allain | I just installed gdm and now have a completely mangled screen when booting up. How can I get the system to boot to a command line since I can't see the command prompt and I hadn't yet installed ssh |
| 05:57.58 | allain | ? |
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| 06:01.46 | allain | anybody? |
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| 06:04.08 | penrod | greetings, what issues will I face as I have changed the serial on a domain record and is 6 months in the future ? |
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| 06:05.40 | karlpinc | !tell allain about vt |
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| 06:07.11 | karlpinc | penrod: Doesn't matter. The serial number is arbitrary, except that it must increase. (I prefer just to use sequential numbers.) You can reset it by rolling over if you really want to. |
| 06:07.26 | somiaj | allain: ctrl-alt-f1 |
| 06:07.36 | penrod | karlpinc: thanks kindly. |
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| 06:08.40 | somiaj | lots of people use the date followed by a 01, 02, etc as the modification on that date |
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| 06:10.52 | karlpinc | somiaj: That only makes sense to me if you can't do an "ls -l". (Why would I want the world to know when I modified a zone?) YMMV. |
| 06:11.18 | pmpbook | What package should I install for cmake? |
| 06:11.25 | pmpbook | Is it just cmake in aptitude? |
| 06:11.34 | karlpinc | !tell pmpbook about search |
| 06:11.48 | karlpinc | pmpbook: You probably want to use <apt-file> to find it. |
| 06:12.04 | allain | somiaj: does not work. |
| 06:12.25 | allain | I'm getting the same random screen as I was getting before I was specifying nomodeset in the grub loader |
| 06:12.26 | karlpinc | allain: You're holding down both ctrl and alt and then pressing f1? |
| 06:12.32 | allain | indeed I am |
| 06:12.47 | allain | should I press that combo while it's booting? |
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| 06:13.24 | allain | I'm seeing a completely mangled screen that's full or random colours |
| 06:13.34 | karlpinc | allain: You probably need to mess with the grub boot stuff. You type e to edit one of the grub entries. (I think the bottom of the screen explains your other keypress choices.) |
| 06:13.48 | karlpinc | allain: That's when the grub screen comes up at boot. |
| 06:13.48 | allain | I'm trying that |
| 06:13.54 | in2tactics | pmpbook: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=cmake+debian+squeeze |
| 06:14.23 | allain | changed it from "quiet nomodeset" to "text nomodeset" and am still seeing the mangled stuff |
| 06:15.20 | karlpinc | allain: If you can't get a console, then it's not X that's your problem.... |
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| 06:15.39 | karlpinc | !tell allain about kernel parameters |
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| 06:15.53 | allain | understood, I'm thinking it's the graphics card |
| 06:16.23 | allain | nomodeset solved the problem on ubuntu 10.04 earlier today but it doesn't work here |
| 06:16.29 | karlpinc | !tell allain about kms |
| 06:16.55 | karlpinc | allain: See the wiki page. That helped me. |
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| 06:17.25 | karlpinc | allain: Of course you need a way to boot. The install cd in rescue mode works. |
| 06:17.57 | karlpinc | allain: You might, possibly, benefit from a newer kernel from <bdo>. |
| 06:18.12 | allain | is it possible that nomodeset is not supported on 3.2.1-1-amd64 kernel (the one I'm using) |
| 06:18.17 | allain | running on the testing distro |
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| 06:18.58 | karlpinc | allain: I've no clue. It's also possible you need non-free firmware to make the video card work. (Although I thought everything did vga, but I don't know much.) |
| 06:19.14 | karlpinc | !tell allain about pciid |
| 06:19.57 | Kamu | chelz: I created a pref file under preferences.d and have package: nginx pin: origin "nginx.org" pin-priority: 600, but it's giving all nginx packages 600 priority! |
| 06:20.07 | karlpinc | allain: You could also check the bug tracking system, and ask on #debian-next on irc.debian.org which is where testing is supported. |
| 06:20.33 | chelz | Kamu: that's not how origin works |
| 06:20.36 | chelz | <Kamu> release v=6.0,o=nginx,a=stable,n=squeeze,l=nginx,c=nginx |
| 06:20.46 | allain | thx |
| 06:20.49 | chelz | Kamu: o= line is origin |
| 06:21.12 | karlpinc | allain: You also might consider using <stable> because testing is a <moving target>, and does not have security support. See also <overview>. |
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| 06:23.06 | chelz | Kamu: http://paste.debian.net/plain/157898 |
| 06:23.13 | Kamu | chelz: pls see line 129 of man apt_preferences |
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| 06:24.54 | chelz | Kamu: see that paste for an example |
| 06:25.18 | chelz | Kamu: but ah, that might be a new feature. i've never seen origin used like that |
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| 06:25.53 | chelz | ah, manpage says its a different origin line. well that's confusing |
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| 06:26.17 | Kamu | chelz: http://paste.debian.net/plain/157899 is the output of apt-cache nginx |
| 06:26.37 | Kamu | (trying your example) |
| 06:26.50 | Kamu | has that gone and set all of them to 600? |
| 06:28.05 | chelz | Kamu: yeah i'm not sure how that works but just checked my systems and they're like that too |
| 06:28.16 | Kamu | haha oh dear |
| 06:29.05 | chelz | Kamu: still goes off the highest version, and afaik that pin should work |
| 06:29.12 | chelz | wacky apt-cache output though |
| 06:31.09 | unomystEz | how can I install vim73 in squeeze instead of vim72? |
| 06:32.11 | Kamu | okay thanks for your help chelz, maybe I should post this to the forums or something? |
| 06:32.38 | chelz | Kamu: that's an idea. or the mailing list |
| 06:32.48 | chelz | Kamu: i'm curious why the priorities end up like that myself |
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| 06:34.39 | unomystEz | is it possible to show what current gtk engine is being used:? |
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| 06:36.10 | Kamu | unomystEz: to install vim73 you will need to do it yourself, or pull from the wheezy repo |
| 06:36.12 | allain | Is there no character combination that I can press in order to start a system at the command line? |
| 06:36.21 | allain | (it normally starts in gdm) |
| 06:36.28 | unomystEz | Kamu: no backport/ |
| 06:36.30 | unomystEz | ? |
| 06:37.11 | Kamu | unomystEz: not sure, have you checked out http://packages.debian.org ? |
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| 06:37.21 | unomystEz | not yet, no |
| 06:37.35 | skilz | I just plugged in a 500GB hdd and it didnt show in df -h |
| 06:37.39 | skilz | How do I mount it? |
| 06:38.28 | Kamu | unomystEz: you can set your system to squeeze by default and then just install vim from wheezy |
| 06:38.46 | unomystEz | Kamu: sorry, I'm new to Debian. how might I go about that> |
| 06:38.50 | unomystEz | just download the deb from wheezy? |
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| 06:39.11 | Kamu | me too, but I found this in the manual, let me get you a link |
| 06:39.48 | unomystEz | thanks man |
| 06:40.44 | ukukuk | skilz: I don't know but take a look at http://www.debianhelp.co.uk/newharddisk.htm |
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| 06:41.53 | somiaj | Kamu: you do not want to do that |
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| 06:42.14 | Kamu | somiaj: go on |
| 06:42.17 | somiaj | Kamu: bad bad juju to install wheezy binaries on squeeze. Note it isn't vim that is the issue it is the core libaries it depends on. Make a backport |
| 06:42.22 | somiaj | ,versions vim |
| 06:42.23 | judd | Package: vim on i386 -- lenny: 1:7.1.314-3+lenny2; squeeze: 2:7.2.445+hg~cb94c42c0e1a-1; sid: 2:7.3.429-2; wheezy: 2:7.3.429-2 |
| 06:42.23 | allain | What kernel does the stable distro run? |
| 06:42.42 | somiaj | ,check-backport vim |
| 06:42.46 | judd | Backporting package vim in sid→squeeze/i386: all build-dependencies satisfied using squeeze, virtual. |
| 06:42.52 | somiaj | allain: 2.6.32 (though it has all security patches backported to it) |
| 06:43.05 | somiaj | allain: you can get a newer kernel (for hardware reasons) from squeeze-backports (3.2 is there) |
| 06:43.11 | Kamu | ah somiaj that makes sense |
| 06:43.19 | somiaj | Kamu: /msg dpkg ssbp |
| 06:43.35 | chelz | the 'proper' way to do stuff is to get the debsrc of the newer thing then compile it btw |
| 06:43.46 | chelz | in terms of apt-pinning stuff from newer releases |
| 06:44.15 | chelz | i guess compiling it makes it integrate more, but it requires a bit more knowledge about debian packaging |
| 06:44.33 | Kamu | should be somewhere in the manual... I hope? |
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| 06:45.02 | Kamu | sorry unomystEz seems like I nearly led you astray |
| 06:45.03 | unomystEz | somiaj: sorry, I'm not following.. |
| 06:45.06 | somiaj | Kamu: msg the bot the command It old you to, it gives you fairly simple instructions |
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| 06:45.28 | Kamu | sure will give it a shot somiaj |
| 06:45.47 | somiaj | chelz: pinning still isn't a good call between stable and testing. Pulling in testing core packages like libc6, dpkg, debconf can start to have undesirable effects |
| 06:45.57 | somiaj | unomystEz: not following what |
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| 06:46.50 | unomystEz | somiaj: the output of the bot command and how to install vim73 |
| 06:47.29 | somiaj | unomystEz: did you do /msg dpkg ssbp |
| 06:47.49 | unomystEz | sorry |
| 06:48.16 | unomystEz | aha |
| 06:48.23 | Kamu | I didn't even think about the different versions of core libs |
| 06:48.33 | somiaj | unomystEz: the bot commands were just checking to see if someone else has backported it (a debian dev) and then to see if there was any strange libary dependencies making the backport hard. |
| 06:48.42 | somiaj | Kamu: most don't, and then break their system. (: |
| 06:48.42 | Kamu | but I run on testing anyway so what ever heh |
| 06:48.46 | allain | forgive me but how would I go about upgrading the kernel through the backports? |
| 06:48.51 | chelz | somiaj: do people ever try to compile the debsrc of stuff like libc? |
| 06:48.55 | somiaj | !tell allain about backports |
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| 06:49.08 | chelz | just for fun i want to see if that's even possible |
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| 06:49.36 | somiaj | chelz: I'm sure people do, but if you want to upgrade libc6 might as well just update the whole system. |
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| 06:50.01 | somiaj | it is possible and it is possible to install libc6 from wheezy on stable, but that is where artifiacts and bugs start to appear, so millage will varry |
| 06:50.09 | gnarface | ok guys so if you're setting up sudo to only allow a user to run an explicit list of programs as root and you want one of those programs to be the /etc/init.d/apache2 script, is there a way to do that without giving the user 'sh' ? |
| 06:50.43 | Kamu | on my server I put in wheezy bins and did a dist-upgrade, I probably can't go back to squeeze packages anymore, can I? (funny enough nginx still works) |
| 06:50.52 | gnarface | because giving the sudo user the ability to run sh as sudo by proxy gives them the ability to run everything else, ruining the point of giving them an explicit list in the first place |
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| 06:51.13 | somiaj | gnarface: all the /etc/init.d/ scripts have the +x bit on them, I don't see why it needs to be able to run sh as root. |
| 06:51.44 | somiaj | Kamu: you can downgrade but it isn't easy and won't work in many situations |
| 06:51.51 | somiaj | Kamu: basically it is a one way direction |
| 06:52.19 | Kamu | sighs |
| 06:52.56 | somiaj | another option is to run a wheezy/sid chroot but on a stable system so your core is stable |
| 06:53.38 | Kamu | interesting |
| 06:54.14 | gnarface | somiaj: are you being serious? try to start/stop apache as a non-root user |
| 06:55.07 | somiaj | gnarface: should only need primisions to run the script as root, I don't see why you also need primisions to run sh. |
| 06:55.07 | Kamu | unomystEz: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch02.en.html#_updates_and_backports |
| 06:55.16 | unomystEz | aha |
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| 06:56.29 | Kamu | intriguing, no backport for python |
| 06:58.03 | unomystEz | so, to build wine from git, im installing libopencl1-dev, and it says it will install linux-image-2.6*-486 |
| 06:58.05 | unomystEz | this sounds bad |
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| 06:58.34 | unomystEz | http://dpaste.com/708784/ |
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| 06:59.26 | Alam_Squeeze | unomystEz: it is because of nvidia-kernel-2.6.32-5-486 |
| 06:59.33 | unomystEz | aha |
| 06:59.44 | unomystEz | let's see where we're at with the deps, shall we? |
| 07:00.01 | Alam_Squeeze | unomystEz: try getting nvidia's dkms package |
| 07:00.14 | Alam_Squeeze | nvidia-kernel-dkms |
| 07:00.15 | unomystEz | http://dpaste.com/708785/ |
| 07:00.17 | unomystEz | this is what I'm missing |
| 07:00.18 | somiaj | gnarface: user ALL = (root) /etc/init.d/apache2 |
| 07:00.27 | unomystEz | for wine git that is |
| 07:00.35 | Alam_Squeeze | amd64 system? |
| 07:00.40 | unomystEz | not, i386 |
| 07:00.40 | somiaj | gnarface: works just as epxected, user is able to run that init script as root without needing to be able to run other commands |
| 07:00.44 | unomystEz | s/t// |
| 07:00.51 | Alam_Squeeze | no, you are 32-bit system |
| 07:01.08 | unomystEz | correct |
| 07:01.08 | Alam_Squeeze | unomystEz: do you have a nvidia card? |
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| 07:01.19 | unomystEz | no, intel gm945 |
| 07:01.35 | Alam_Squeeze | then opencl is useless to you |
| 07:01.40 | unomystEz | aha |
| 07:01.50 | unomystEz | not sure what it was. |
| 07:01.54 | unomystEz | how about gstreamer? |
| 07:01.58 | unomystEz | that sounds useful |
| 07:02.11 | unomystEz | especially since im installing wine to play heroes of might and magic II =) |
| 07:02.16 | unomystEz | err, III rather |
| 07:02.29 | Alam_Squeeze | it is to playback media files with wine's directshow? |
| 07:02.30 | Kamu | opencl is kinda cool, running code on the gpu (why does wine need it?) |
| 07:02.42 | somiaj | unomystEz: do you have to have the newest wine for that, sounds like a older game that may run in the version in squeeze just fine. |
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| 07:02.59 | Alam_Squeeze | Kamu: because it have an oepncl wrapper so Win32 programs can use it? |
| 07:03.06 | unomystEz | I was in here last night and someone mentioned that i shouldn't use wine pkgs, and to install from source |
| 07:03.07 | Kamu | oh |
| 07:03.10 | unomystEz | was quite adamant about it actually |
| 07:03.18 | Kamu | indeed that makes sense |
| 07:03.33 | unomystEz | plus I've been using wine since 1998 so I know the latest is (usually) the best |
| 07:03.33 | gnarface | somiaj: maybe the part you're missing out on is i'm running this in a script, with NOPASSWD in the sudo line, over an ssh connection from another server (where the script is) when i remove sh as you suggest, it tries to prompt me for a password and then fails because the askpass program is specified |
| 07:03.40 | unomystEz | although things do tend to break |
| 07:03.51 | gnarface | somiaj: i mean because "no askpass program is specified" it says |
| 07:04.21 | somiaj | unomystEz: the wine packages are outdated and if you have any issue with them both debian and wine will say they are outdated |
| 07:04.29 | gnarface | somiaj: nonetheless even if i could provide an askpass program, it would be unacceptable because this needs to be hands-off and those passwords should not be distributed |
| 07:04.30 | somiaj | unomystEz: but if they happen to play your game just fine who cares. |
| 07:04.55 | gnarface | somiaj: so i ask gain, is there a way to do this with succesfully without adding sh in the sudo line? NOPASSWD |
| 07:04.56 | somiaj | gnarface: sounds like a configuration issue, I did my test over ssh, I could put a nopasswd in it if you want me to |
| 07:04.59 | unomystEz | that's fine and dandy but this is a good adventure in learning more about debian too =) |
| 07:05.03 | Kamu | maybe he has CUD (compulsive update disorder) like me |
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| 07:05.37 | gnarface | somiaj: deployment_botALL=NOPASSWD: /etc/init.d/apache2, /bin/rm, /bin/chmod, /bin/chown, /usr/bin/find |
| 07:05.57 | unomystEz | somiaj: actually, to tell you the truth, I came from linux mint debian edition and I wasn't able to resolve any of those deps no matter what I tried. now that I'm on debian, I'm only 2 packages away |
| 07:06.09 | unomystEz | somiaj: think I will keep on keepin' on |
| 07:06.32 | somiaj | unomystEz: if you want to compile wine go for it, I compile my own wine packages myself. I was just making a comment about ease of install |
| 07:06.39 | somiaj | unomystEz: try 'apt-get build-dep wine' |
| 07:06.41 | unomystEz | somiaj: appreciated |
| 07:06.43 | unomystEz | did that |
| 07:06.44 | somiaj | may need a deb-src line though |
| 07:07.05 | somiaj | gnarface: user ALL = (root) NOPASSWD: /etc/init.d/apache2 |
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| 07:07.12 | somiaj | gnarface: works just as I thought it would for me |
| 07:07.22 | unomystEz | so based on the previous apt-get line, will the 486 linux kernel be installed and become active over my current kernel? |
| 07:07.26 | unomystEz | not quite sure how to interpret it |
| 07:07.34 | gnarface | hmm. |
| 07:07.41 | gnarface | must be missing something else then |
| 07:07.51 | somiaj | unomystEz: I'm unsure whay a -dev libary depends on that kernel, what package are you trying to install? |
| 07:08.00 | unomystEz | opencl |
| 07:08.07 | unomystEz | and gstreamer-0.10 |
| 07:08.49 | somiaj | unomystEz: what version of debian are you running? |
| 07:09.41 | unomystEz | somiaj: squeeze |
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| 07:10.39 | somiaj | unomystEz: what is the exact package name? |
| 07:10.53 | somiaj | unomystEz: doesn't appear to be part of stable, and I don't use it to complie wine |
| 07:10.54 | unomystEz | somiaj: not following. |
| 07:11.01 | unomystEz | hold on |
| 07:11.20 | unomystEz | http://dpaste.com/708788/ |
| 07:11.28 | unomystEz | that's the current output of ./configure in wine-git |
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| 07:11.48 | unomystEz | not sure what packages it's looking for |
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| 07:13.42 | unomystEz | sort of off topic from the current discussion, but what terminal do you guys prefer? |
| 07:13.52 | somiaj | unomystEz: libgstreamer0.10-dev for libgstreamer, as for openCL I don't use it in my wine compiles, seems there is a non-free nvidia version in squeeze, but the amd version isn't included until whezzy |
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| 07:13.56 | somiaj | I use xterm |
| 07:14.13 | unomystEz | somiaj: that package didn't seem to satisfy `configure` |
| 07:14.18 | unomystEz | somiaj: building anyway |
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| 07:14.24 | unomystEz | i can do with out the HOMM3 cut-scenes |
| 07:14.46 | unomystEz | was thinking about going with urxvt-unicode |
| 07:14.58 | somiaj | unomystEz: yea I don't use either of those libs on my wine, not sure what libgstreamer dev it wants, there are a few, a gl, and base, I'm not that familar |
| 07:15.20 | unomystEz | make seems to be going along nicely |
| 07:15.54 | gnarface | somiaj: you were right. i'd slipped a call to something else in the script and forgot about it |
| 07:15.57 | somiaj | unomystEz: note when you type make install it will put it in /usr/local (which is just fine), but you should keep a copy of the source around so you can 'make uninstall' it |
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| 07:16.15 | gnarface | somiaj: works now, thanks |
| 07:16.28 | unomystEz | somiaj: always do. but thanks for the heads |
| 07:16.50 | gnarface | isn't sure giving the bot root access to mv and rm mitigates the potential damage much over giving it access to sh though |
| 07:17.51 | unomystEz | actually, I could be playing SC2 in dosbox while wine compiles for HOMM3.. WHAT?! |
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| 07:22.01 | whitequark | can anyone give a slightest hint of the reasoning to dump knetworkmanager and use plasma-widget-networkmanagement instead? |
| 07:22.07 | whitequark | a) bluetooth is still a tray icon |
| 07:22.17 | whitequark | b) plasma does not work with Awesome WM, for example. |
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| 07:29.20 | kallisti | how do I get my laptop to sleep when the lid is closed without using gnome-power-manager |
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| 07:30.55 | whitequark | kallisti: look at /etc/acpi |
| 07:30.55 | danderson | Hi. Is there documentation somewhere on what schemes debian-installer's preseed URL accepts? |
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| 07:31.04 | danderson | i.e. can I pass it a TFTP URL instead of an HTTP URL? |
| 07:31.07 | kallisti | whitequark: I am, actually. not really sure what to do. |
| 07:31.27 | somiaj | kallisti: do you have pm-utils working, so you can put it to sleep with pm-suspend? |
| 07:31.32 | kallisti | currently looking at lid.sh |
| 07:31.33 | kallisti | and yes |
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| 07:31.45 | kallisti | er, I have pm-utils installed, I haven't touched any sort of configuration. |
| 07:31.49 | kallisti | if that matters. |
| 07:32.24 | somiaj | kallisti: well try to run pm-suspend as root, and see if it puts your laptop to sleep (suspend). Note there is also pm-hibernate |
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| 07:32.43 | somiaj | kallisti: then you just need to tell acpi to run that when the lid is closed |
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| 07:33.11 | kallisti | yep. |
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| 07:35.13 | kd123 | I'm trying to setup up a DHCP server... but it's failing... The syslog file says there is no subnet declaration for my two listening devices - eth0 & eth1 |
| 07:35.32 | kd123 | how do I set proper subnet declarations? |
| 07:35.51 | kallisti | somiaj: if I'm reading the script correctly, it calls /etc/acpi/sleep.sh |
| 07:35.56 | kd123 | I have added in /etc/dhcp/dhcpd.conf - 'subnet 192.168.0.0 mask 255.255.255.0' |
| 07:36.45 | kallisti | and sleep.sh calls pm-suspend... hmm |
| 07:36.47 | kallisti | so... |
| 07:36.52 | kallisti | I wonder what's wrong. |
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| 07:38.27 | kallisti | somiaj: if I change these scripts do I need to reload something else? |
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| 07:40.10 | kallisti | I could just comment out the part where it checks for other event listeners (such as gnome-power-manager) |
| 07:40.13 | kallisti | but perhaps that's not wise. |
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| 07:48.56 | sbarcteam | hi guys. |
| 07:49.02 | sbarcteam | I am a bit confused with something. |
| 07:49.18 | arvind_khadri | Hi, in which package does "at" come? |
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| 07:55.22 | kd123 | Why would issuing the Stop command to my DHCP server fail? |
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| 07:56.49 | kd123 | DHCP refuses to start or stop... it always just fails |
| 07:57.22 | kd123 | why would that happen? |
| 07:57.38 | Kamu | have you checked the log files? |
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| 07:58.18 | kd123 | Kamu: yes, I've checked syslog and it says 'No subnet declaration for eth0' |
| 07:58.38 | kd123 | (no IPv4 addresses) |
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| 07:59.07 | kd123 | when I run 'ifconfig' it just shows IPv6 address for eth0 and eth1...... is that the problem |
| 07:59.19 | kd123 | eth0 and eth1 don't have IPv4 address assigned? |
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| 08:00.24 | Kamu | kd123: I'd hazard a guess and say yea they probably need ipv4 |
| 08:01.05 | kd123 | Kamu... ok Why wouldn't debian auto assign a IPv4 address to them? |
| 08:01.10 | kd123 | and how do I do it? |
| 08:01.25 | sbarcteam | ok, about my confusion. |
| 08:01.37 | sbarcteam | I have a python program copying files. with shutil.copy2() |
| 08:01.50 | sbarcteam | that thing is copying in 2 stages: 1) data 2) metadata |
| 08:02.00 | sbarcteam | out of metadata it copies timestamps and permissions. |
| 08:02.23 | Kamu | kd123: I have never run a dhcp server before |
| 08:02.26 | sbarcteam | user1 in groups: user1,user2, and user2 in groups: user2,user1 |
| 08:02.27 | Kamu | only dhcp clients |
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| 08:03.10 | sbarcteam | a directory belonging to user3, member of group user1 has mode 775. |
| 08:03.19 | sbarcteam | I can copy it without the metadata, |
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| 08:03.45 | sbarcteam | I am overwriting another directory file. |
| 08:03.54 | kd123 | kamu: Oh ok... do you have any idea how to assign IPv4 addresses to interfaces? |
| 08:04.04 | sbarcteam | and that file belongs to user1:user1 |
| 08:04.17 | sbarcteam | for some reason I cannot overwrite the directory file. |
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| 08:04.44 | sbarcteam | Also note both source and destination are on NFS. |
| 08:04.58 | Kamu | just to claryify kd123, you want to host your own dhcp server so you can assign IPs to machines on a network? |
| 08:05.19 | kd123 | Oh wait... I'd do it via the /etc/network/interfaces file... :P I think |
| 08:05.26 | kd123 | kamu: yes |
| 08:05.41 | kd123 | kamu: cluster attempt |
| 08:06.14 | Kamu | yea sorry bud I'm clueless, I have never played with the server nor really any static IP business, that's all done for me by my routers :P |
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| 08:08.33 | azathoth99 | so whats best way to learn about using vlans and linux? |
| 08:08.54 | kd123 | kamu: That's fine... thanks for the help... I'm pretty clueless about it too :) |
| 08:09.16 | kd123 | azathoth99: what's vlans? |
| 08:09.48 | kd123 | virtual lans? |
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| 08:12.50 | azathoth99 | vlan plural |
| 08:12.57 | azathoth99 | ya |
| 08:13.58 | Kamu | ooh my vps has a /64 block of ipv6 |
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| 08:14.13 | Kamu | with that many addresses I could take over the world |
| 08:15.04 | kd123 | azathoth99: Middle of the page - VLANS - http://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration#Configuring_the_interface_manually |
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| 08:15.12 | kd123 | hope that helps :) |
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| 08:15.49 | WormFood | does debian have any packages that can monitor the log files for brute force attempts and block the corresponding IP with iptables or something? |
| 08:16.22 | kd123 | wormfood... yeah I've heard of some, but I forget them :P |
| 08:16.37 | Kamu | oh damn fe80 is ipv6 local address... darnit |
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| 08:17.17 | WormFood | kd123, well if I know they're there, then my searches, hopefully, won't be in vain. |
| 08:17.51 | kd123 | wormfood: yeah hopefully... :) sorry I forgot them lol |
| 08:18.07 | azathoth99 | nice |
| 08:18.16 | WormFood | if you know you've seen them in debian stable, then that is good enough for me...I know I won't be searching for nothing ;) |
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| 08:21.04 | kd123 | well... I'm off... good luck all |
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| 08:32.53 | zykotick9 | WormFood: you might want to see if fail2ban fits your needs |
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| 08:33.47 | WormFood | that sounds familiar |
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| 08:34.23 | WormFood | that is probably what I was thinking of. Thanks zykotick9 |
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| 08:38.04 | Alasia | hello, anyone here who could help me with LVM and Software RAID? |
| 08:39.25 | Alasia | i want to change my existing LVM including my OS to a RAID1 System. how can i do this in debian squeeze? |
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| 09:04.27 | maddoc | Anyone that knows if the security patches for postgresql will be applied for postgresql-9.1.2 in wheezy/squeeze-backports? Or will you have to wait for 9.1.3 from sid? Sorry if this is the wrong channel, looked a bit empty in #debian-next. |
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| 09:05.30 | streuner | maddoc: any idea who made the backport before? |
| 09:05.49 | WormFood | maddoc, any security fixes get merged into stable...but not other changes, like updates or enhancements |
| 09:06.12 | streuner | he talks about backports? |
| 09:06.27 | thewanderer1 | maddoc, plus isn't #debian-next on OFTC? |
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| 09:07.42 | maddoc | thewanderer1: Yeah, I looked there. |
| 09:07.45 | maddoc | streuner: -- Christoph Berg <myon@debian.org> Tue, 24 Jan 2012 18:10:25 +0100 |
| 09:07.52 | maddoc | streuner: Is the last changelog entry at least. |
| 09:08.34 | streuner | just ask him? |
| 09:08.39 | streuner | then* |
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| 09:09.33 | maddoc | streuner: Can't find his nick here. ;-) But ok, I'll try with the weird email thing instead. |
| 09:09.47 | streuner | maddoc, myon is in #debian (OTFC) |
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| 09:10.05 | maddoc | But I was also wondering a bit generally, as I know that security fixes get applied to stable, but not if it's done in testing/backports. |
| 09:10.07 | maddoc | streuner: Ah, thanks. |
| 09:10.10 | Antani | hi |
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| 09:10.25 | Antani | please, is there any good html editor for debian under kde? Tx |
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| 09:11.18 | streuner | likes Iceape Composer |
| 09:11.55 | nkuttler | likes vim |
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| 09:16.27 | Veniale | hi |
| 09:16.44 | Veniale | please, is there any good html editor for debian under kde? Tx |
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| 09:24.28 | MyTh88 | Veniale: kate? or do you mean a wysiwyg editor? |
| 09:25.25 | CruX| | Veniale: quanta+ ? |
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| 09:27.33 | Veniale | CruX|, Quanta I didn't find it in the repository |
| 09:27.44 | Veniale | MyTh88, a wysywyg would be better |
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| 09:27.55 | Veniale | MyTh88, I'm currently using emacs :) |
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| 09:28.51 | WormFood | to answer my previous question...it appears that hdparm will power down a sata hard drive. |
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| 09:37.23 | MyTh88 | Veniale: maybe kompozer |
| 09:38.30 | Veniale | MyTh88, ok, let's try |
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| 09:39.02 | Veniale | MyTh88, no kompozer in debian repository |
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| 09:41.59 | MyTh88 | Veniale: conglomerate? just google for debian wysiwyg html editor |
| 09:42.13 | zykotick9 | ,versions kompozer |
| 09:42.15 | judd | Package: kompozer on i386 -- lenny-backports: 1:0.8~b1-2~bpo50+1; sid: 1:0.8~b3.dfsg.1-0.1; squeeze: 1:0.8~b3.dfsg.1-0.1 |
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| 09:44.01 | holycow | hi everybody, I am experimenting with balance-alb for network load balancing. I found out that the driver does not put eth0 and eth1 into promisc mode. Therefore only one NIC is reachable and 50% of the servers cannot connect. if I put eth1 into promisc mode manualle everything works. Is there any config I am missing? |
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| 09:47.34 | _abc_ | Hello. When building a debian package from sources, a ./debian/rules Makefile is built inside the unpacked source. This is a makefile. In what context must that makefile be executed, if I run make by hand on it? It seems to have no path information in it (good), but it references functions and stuff with prefix dh_ which are defined elsewhere. Where are these defined, please? |
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| 09:56.06 | jelly | _abc_: debhelper package, which is supposed to be one of the build dependencies when it's used. |
| 09:56.32 | bzed | !tell _abc_ about dpkg-buildpackage |
| 09:57.31 | jelly | yeah, but he was explicit about "if I run make by hand on it" |
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| 09:58.53 | _abc_ | thanks |
| 09:59.04 | _abc_ | In the end I built it from slackware source >:~ |
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| 09:59.22 | _abc_ | Incidentally their build system works fine on debian as is, no special requirements. |
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| 09:59.40 | _abc_ | (slackbuild scripts) |
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| 10:00.08 | benjamindees | what is a good curses-based program for reading local mail? |
| 10:00.17 | bzed | benjamindees: mutt |
| 10:00.17 | _abc_ | alpine! |
| 10:00.35 | jelly | _abc_: a good question might have been - why were you doing it manually |
| 10:00.40 | _abc_ | or just bsd mail :) You get to learn ed too heh |
| 10:00.56 | _abc_ | jelly: because this is an ancient system that cannot be maintained anymore |
| 10:01.00 | _abc_ | ~2005 vintage |
| 10:01.12 | _abc_ | It needs to be updated but other fires will have to be put out first |
| 10:01.18 | bzed | _abc_: well, if its a debian, we have everything on the archive |
| 10:01.26 | jelly | !ado |
| 10:01.26 | dpkg | Debian has archives of no-longer-supported releases at http://archive.debian.org/ . To use with <APT>, see http://www.debian.org/distrib/archive . For old versions of specific packages, ask me about <snapshot>. Old Debian <ISO> files are archived at http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/ |
| 10:01.32 | _abc_ | Indeed but I failed to find a pmake for etch. |
| 10:01.32 | bzed | _abc_: so you could just install build-dependencies and run dpkg-buildpackage :) |
| 10:01.48 | _abc_ | bzed: no space for that and network not fast enough |
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| 10:02.06 | _abc_ | the short version: I need pmake without updating anything major in debian |
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| 10:02.25 | _abc_ | Specifically the other pmake I found needed a libc upgrade. You know what that means for the rest of the apps. |
| 10:02.27 | jelly | well, if it's a system that's going to be replaced soon in any case... |
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| 10:02.46 | _abc_ | Yes, but the system does not matter, the data on it and what I am doing now, do |
| 10:02.50 | _abc_ | Thanks for the help. |
| 10:02.54 | jelly | np |
| 10:03.00 | DeeTah | my debian complains about multiarch-support not being installed. stuff installs without it (when I force ignoring this dependency), but I want apt to work properly, so I'd like it to permamently ignore this package. how do I do it? |
| 10:03.28 | holycow | hi everybody, I am experimenting with balance-alb for network load balancing. I found out that the driver does not put eth0 and eth1 into promisc mode. Therefore only one NIC is reachable and 50% of the servers cannot connect. if I put eth1 into promisc mode manualle everything works. Is there any config I am missing? |
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| 10:03.57 | jelly | DeeTah: are you mixing binary packages from different releases? |
| 10:04.05 | benjamindees | thanks all |
| 10:04.34 | DeeTah | jelly: yup. |
| 10:05.26 | yogg | Hi |
| 10:05.26 | yogg | Why does debian not change the version number of the kernel if an update comes out (like ubuntu does)? |
| 10:05.48 | DeeTah | so, any way to cheat apt/dpkg that multiarch-support is already installed? |
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| 10:06.04 | bzed | yogg: why should it if the abi stays stable? |
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| 10:06.22 | bzed | yogg: do you really want to force people to recompile their custome modules just because of some fixes? |
| 10:06.27 | yogg | ahh so debian keeps the api stable and ubuntu does not? |
| 10:06.28 | ^ior | hi all, i'm not really a sysadmin but find myself needing to apply my limited knowledge to making something work: i inherited some php scripts whose general interface is web-based and operates with http GET. i need to automate some of the functionality, so i $sudo -u www-data crontab -e, and added daily/weekly/monthly .sh script calls. i created the .sh scripts in /usr/local/bin, they are chowned by www-data, chmod 755, and contai |
| 10:06.47 | jelly | DeeTah: this is not a good idea, since you're going to end up with an unholy unsupportable mix. If your system is supposed to be a debian "stable" installation, you ought to use backports instead. |
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| 10:07.03 | bzed | yogg: the package version changes. I hope ubuntu does it similar.... although I could expect that they have no idea of ABIs and just force people to compile it |
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| 10:07.46 | jelly | bzed: a good reason why: not to overwrite the currently running, working kernel. |
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| 10:08.45 | joar | I have a weird issue with media playback in general. I can't play anythin. |
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| 10:09.03 | joar | I think it might be my sound driver blocking. |
| 10:09.03 | jelly | !tell DeeTah about equivs |
| 10:09.25 | joar | is this scenario possible? How do I restart my sound driver without rebooting? |
| 10:09.43 | yogg | bzed: ok then I know the difference. thank you |
| 10:09.45 | joar | s/driver/service/ |
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| 10:10.25 | jelly | DeeTah: but equivs might just compound the problem. If you absolutely need a number of packages from eg. testing, a cleaner approach would be to upgrade the whole system |
| 10:11.04 | bzed | jelly: well, doing so can be done in a sane way and from an update of a stable kernel I do not expect issues |
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| 10:11.19 | jelly | famous last words |
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| 10:12.03 | jelly | I keep an old just-in-case kernel on each machine because of this |
| 10:12.26 | jelly | ubuntu just does it automatically |
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| 10:40.22 | DeeTah | jelly: thanks ;) |
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| 10:46.46 | mischlig | hello #debian, i use gnome2. is it possible to automatically open a shell in window2 and iceweasel in window3 and xchat in window4 at startup? |
| 10:47.36 | overflow_0f8b | hi |
| 10:48.19 | stephanb | misch: you mean normal startup applications? |
| 10:49.05 | misch | stephanb ye, on startup but with that different workspaces! i wanna have a maximized shell on workspace2, a |
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| 10:49.21 | misch | stephanb ye, on startup but with that different workspaces! i wanna have a maximized shell on workspace2, a naxinmized iceweasel on workspace3 |
| 10:49.24 | stephanb | misch: okay, i know no way to make this possible |
| 10:49.27 | misch | sry for early enter |
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| 10:50.31 | petemc | misch: gnome-session may do what you want |
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| 10:51.29 | misch | gnome-session is installed by default? |
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| 10:51.37 | misch | petemc? |
| 10:51.45 | babilen | misch: I am not sure about this, but Gnome can save running sessions (somewhere in the gnome-control-center→Session menu or so) -- It might be that windows remember their workspace as well. I have the impression that your workflow is actually not ideal for Gnome and that you might be better of using a (tiling) window manager such as awesomewm, xmonad or fluxbox (stacked) |
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| 10:53.34 | misch | babilen, i had an nice windowmanager on debian 5 with black glossy effect but i dont remember which one ... |
| 10:53.52 | misch | then i had a long time no debian installed ... |
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| 10:54.28 | babilen | misch: I have no idea as well, but you are definitely looking for Gnome's session management right now. But as I said: I am not sure if they remember workspaces |
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| 10:54.59 | misch | well thanks, will take a look |
| 10:55.29 | misch | i guess i had icewm or something, but then i installed icewm and saw that it wasnt that wm i used before :P |
| 10:55.49 | misch | guessed* |
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| 11:04.15 | peterNovice | Does anyone know if there is some special "behind the scenes" setup with terminal communication in debian versus gentoo. With stty -a -F /dev/ttyUSB0 they have the same properties, but in gentoo I have to use a program like minicom to reset the connection before any communication can take place. |
| 11:04.49 | blawiz | what the best practice when setting PATH? i've tried /etc/login.defs (didnt work), and /etc/environment doesnt exists. I use bashrc, but that does not cover sudo og gmrun. |
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| 11:08.54 | Black_Prince | sudo env path? |
| 11:09.00 | Knaldgas | blawiz: Could /etc/profile do the job? |
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| 11:09.48 | blawiz | Knaldgas, nah, tried that too |
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| 11:10.35 | babilen | !tell blawiz -about sudo path |
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| 11:10.46 | babilen | blawiz: What are you missing in the default PATH? |
| 11:11.01 | blawiz | babilen, my script-folder |
| 11:13.22 | cuit | Hi, what's the best way to generate an ssl certificate? is debian-administration.org outdated? openssl req didn't seem to do anything |
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| 11:14.00 | Black_Prince | ssl-cert ? |
| 11:15.40 | cuit | so install ssl-cert and use it to make one? |
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| 11:15.51 | misch | babilen or someone else, can u tell me which wm this is : http://fc05.deviantart.net/fs48/f/2009/233/e/6/Debian_Desktop_20090821_1_by_gaulhahn.jpg |
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| 11:16.46 | nettezzz | hello |
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| 11:17.19 | nettezzz | i need to talk with someone knowing|having dell poweredge 2850 .. is someone like that watching ? |
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| 11:17.33 | petemc | lots of people use dell servers here |
| 11:17.40 | nettezzz | great |
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| 11:18.15 | nsadmin | soo... just... |
| 11:18.19 | nsadmin | !ask |
| 11:18.19 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 11:18.38 | nettezzz | i have my own dell poweredge with this dmidecode output http://susepaste.org/view/raw/89333838 .. it seems like the pci-x slots are there |
| 11:18.53 | nettezzz | i don't have server here so i can't physically check that |
| 11:19.41 | nettezzz | is possible to load to powerdge 2850 additional pci-x sata controller and load few more sata drives - the best would be if they are in standard scsi hotplug slots |
| 11:20.25 | nsadmin | is this machine running debian? |
| 11:20.31 | overflow_0f8b | does latest wine support many games now ? |
| 11:21.07 | overflow_0f8b | the last wine i tried failed when a program wanted to register something |
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| 11:22.25 | nettezzz | nsadmin: yes, this machine also runs debian .. there is domU SLES and 2 domX debians |
| 11:22.57 | babilen | misch: Looks like fluxbox |
| 11:23.54 | misch | babilen thx i try ! |
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| 11:26.50 | fasta | What's the default syslog package? I.e. a package which provides /etc/syslog.conf? |
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| 11:27.11 | fasta | inetutils-syslogd? |
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| 11:27.25 | petemc | dpkg -S /etc/sysctl.conf |
| 11:27.26 | petemc | procps: /etc/sysctl.conf |
| 11:27.26 | dpkg | You Fool! /etc/sysctl.conf is installed! |
| 11:27.34 | petemc | ffs |
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| 11:28.03 | petemc | on squeeze its rsyslogd |
| 11:28.07 | petemc | rsyslog |
| 11:28.39 | fasta | petemc: so, if some daemon logs to syslog it is actually rsyslogd? |
| 11:28.51 | petemc | yes |
| 11:29.15 | fasta | petemc: how does that work, btw? |
| 11:29.22 | petemc | how does syslog work? |
| 11:29.25 | fasta | petemc: is there some libsyslog or whatever. |
| 11:29.41 | fasta | petemc: there needs to be some kind of stable reference to an abstract 'syslog'. |
| 11:30.21 | misch | aptitude remove xfce4 should uninstall all unwatend stuff or? should i --purge something? |
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| 11:30.33 | cuit | How do I update a program compiled from source? do I simply re- configure,make,make install the new source? |
| 11:30.38 | misch | *related to xfce4 wm |
| 11:32.06 | misch | well nvm, joining linux beginner channel :D |
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| 11:32.46 | sECuRE | hello. i’m wondering what’s the difference between a "system" user/group and a "user" user/group (see addgroup(8) or adduser(8), they use the term but don’t explain it) |
| 11:33.10 | sECuRE | i mean, obviously they live in different id ranges, but what’s the purpose of separating them, what are the implications? |
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| 11:33.25 | babilen | misch: purge removes configuration files as well -- Please read "man apt-get" and "man aptitude" along with relevant parts of the Debian reference (/msg dpkg reference). I can also highly recommend the example chapter at http://debian-handbook.info/liberation/ which gives a great overview of package management on Debian |
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| 11:34.48 | misch | babilen, ok i can --purge that one too! thx, will work it out :) |
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| 11:35.36 | misch | dont want to have any related to xfce4 after i accidenty installed xfce4 (was wrong wm btw) |
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| 11:39.17 | cuit | is this a good command for generate a server.key for my ssl cert? openssl genrsa -des3 -out server.key 1024 |
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| 11:39.49 | cuit | I hear good SSL's have 2048 bit keys |
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| 11:42.17 | weebl^ | anyone know how to fix this? http://nopaste.info/da973dea71.html |
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| 11:47.55 | burek | hi, can I get some help please? I'm trying to install debian testing on Asus P5G41T-M LX3 with integrated network card: Atheros AR8121/AR8113 PCI-E Ethernet Adapter, but Debian install process can't detect my network card :( |
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| 11:48.28 | sECuRE | hm, for the record: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1146686 says this is just convention. |
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| 11:48.56 | burek | I went to Atheros website to download drivers for linux and they only offer the source code :) But how can I compile the driver if I can't install debian? |
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| 11:49.34 | nsadmin | burek, what media are you using to install? |
| 11:49.37 | burek | And is there any way to somehow tell debian to use some kind of "generic" network card driver, so I can be able just to install everything |
| 11:49.43 | burek | usb netinstall |
| 11:49.55 | thewanderer1 | burek, there is one trick - if you boot from PXE netinstall, it should use PXE drivers |
| 11:49.58 | nsadmin | and that;s booting ok and everything? |
| 11:50.15 | burek | PXE? Im installing from usb flash |
| 11:50.19 | burek | it's booting ok |
| 11:50.34 | burek | I can choose language and stuff, but network card detection fails :/ |
| 11:50.42 | thewanderer1 | I know, but it's not loading the PXE driver stack unless you boot from PXE |
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| 11:50.59 | thewanderer1 | it might work, it might not :P |
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| 11:51.08 | burek | oh I see what you mean :) |
| 11:51.16 | nsadmin | ok, good... what if you were to install debian without network support for the moment... would you be willing to try to get your net going after the base install? |
| 11:51.38 | burek | nsadmin, sure, I tried to download the 1st cd iso and burn to usb |
| 11:51.43 | burek | but that didnt want to boot |
| 11:51.51 | burek | I was left with "boot: " message |
| 11:51.53 | burek | and that's it |
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| 11:52.36 | nsadmin | so there is a boot loader and that much did boot |
| 11:52.44 | burek | pretty much yes |
| 11:52.58 | nsadmin | but... the pxe thing sounds promising |
| 11:53.29 | burek | so you suggest that I setup a pxe server and try that way? |
| 11:53.35 | nsadmin | you have to do some work on a separate machine to make that work... other than that, it's worth considering |
| 11:54.21 | burek | I just wanted to confirm if the debian supports that network card at all or not, before I try some exotic stuff like pxe :) |
| 11:54.23 | nsadmin | if you do what I suggested, you'll end up with a minimal debian install, enough to solve basic problems (like with disks and such) and install packages |
| 11:54.38 | nsadmin | which is also worth considering |
| 11:55.09 | jelly | burek: can you show the pci-id of said card, or its `lspci -nn` line? |
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| 11:55.32 | burek | jelly I would if I could :) there is no OS installed at the moment on that machine |
| 11:55.36 | thewanderer1 | it's supposed to be supported by the "atl1e" driver |
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| 11:55.48 | burek | oh I see |
| 11:55.53 | thewanderer1 | you might want to verify that it's loaded during install |
| 11:56.19 | burek | it did offer me a list of cards to choose manually, but I'm pretty sure I tried each and every one of those and none worked :/ |
| 11:56.21 | nsadmin | for one thing, your wireless might need firmware and you could put the firmware package on a usb after base install |
| 11:56.38 | burek | no no, this is ethernet card |
| 11:56.39 | nsadmin | lspci might be on the netinstall |
| 11:56.43 | burek | not wireless |
| 11:56.45 | jelly | burek: livecds! |
| 11:57.03 | jelly | burek: eg. grml.org has a nice one based on debian |
| 11:57.03 | burek | jelly, are there any debian live cds for usb sticks? :) |
| 11:57.07 | nsadmin | can your machine boot from a cd? |
| 11:57.08 | burek | thanks :) |
| 11:57.17 | burek | I don't have cd/dvd drive at the moment |
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| 11:57.26 | burek | that's why I use usb with unetbootin |
| 11:57.36 | jelly | burek: debian's live images are hybrid now as well -- meaning they ought to be directly dd-able to a stick |
| 11:57.46 | nsadmin | oh ok |
| 11:57.46 | jelly | (no need for unetbootin chainload style) |
| 11:58.01 | jelly | but grml is more useful |
| 11:58.06 | burek | jelly, I use unetbootin primarily to copy iso properly on a usb |
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| 11:58.32 | jelly | yeah, but now it's not needed any more (and sometimes it fails) |
| 11:58.40 | nsadmin | well if you dd to a stick, copy any good stuff you want to keep first |
| 11:58.55 | burek | dd iso to usb? |
| 11:59.01 | gnugr | burek: to make a bootable usb stick use this "dd if=/path/to/iso/smeegol.iso of=/dev/sdX bs=4M;sync" |
| 11:59.02 | nsadmin | if you do that, no more file system :) |
| 11:59.17 | burek | wow :) |
| 11:59.24 | burek | I thought iso is compressed |
| 11:59.29 | nsadmin | but you can format it again after |
| 11:59.40 | burek | let me write down that cmd :) thanks :) |
| 11:59.45 | jelly | burek: on windows, you'd use somthing like http://www.chrysocome.net/rawwrite instead of dd |
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| 12:00.33 | nsadmin | the actual rawrite might be misspelled, 1 w instead of 2 |
| 12:00.45 | burek | :) ok :) |
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| 12:00.56 | burek | I'm also on debian here, so I'll try dd directly |
| 12:01.03 | burek | I never knew it can be that simple.. |
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| 12:01.41 | nsadmin | idle not-this-topic curiousity: is python making it to debian base? when you compare python and perl, what are they used for, especially within debian? |
| 12:02.24 | nsadmin | reason I ask, I finally started yesterday seriously learning python... but I'm not sure why :) |
| 12:02.36 | me-1 | hi...how connect to internet using pppoe |
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| 12:03.04 | nsadmin | do you have your username and password? |
| 12:03.13 | me-1 | nsadmin, yes |
| 12:03.29 | burek | jelly, just one question, in my case "of=/dev/sdX" my sdX is sdb1 or just sdb ? |
| 12:03.48 | nsadmin | you could try pppoeconfig... and you can ALSO try configuring one of those blue plastic routers |
| 12:03.52 | NikLP_ | any bitlbee users here? I'm on deb6 but not sure how to get an "easy to maintain" latest stable version running ... :/ |
| 12:04.30 | jelly | burek: just sdb |
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| 12:04.55 | burek | ok I'll try it now |
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| 12:05.27 | jelly | burek: make sure any filesystems on sdb are unmounted, or the kernel will get confised |
| 12:05.31 | jelly | confused, too |
| 12:05.39 | burek | oh :) ok :) |
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| 12:05.42 | nsadmin | NikLP_, the one generally available in deb6 is not "latest stable" or "easy to maintain"? |
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| 12:06.12 | NikLP_ | latest in squeeze repo is 1.2.8 |
| 12:06.18 | nsadmin | you could look into backports or into doing the backport |
| 12:06.20 | NikLP_ | latest stable is 3.0.5 :| |
| 12:06.24 | me-1 | nsadmin, i tried pppoeconf and pppoe-setup but they are not there i am using kde . what about gui setup . i am using kde |
| 12:06.35 | NikLP_ | 305 has the oauth2 for gtalk in it |
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| 12:06.37 | pozic | I have two tmpfs listed in df -h output. In /etc/fstab one is defined. Where does the other come from? |
| 12:07.01 | nsadmin | me-1, "they are not there", meaning not installed yet? |
| 12:07.11 | pozic | One is mounted on /dev/shm. |
| 12:07.18 | NikLP_ | nsadmin: unless I'm missing something about the stable in deb6 repo? It reports Version: 1.2.8-1 which is very old surely |
| 12:07.19 | pozic | The other on /tmp. |
| 12:07.21 | me-1 | nsadmin, not installed |
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| 12:07.33 | nsadmin | hmm... |
| 12:07.45 | nsadmin | , depends pppoeconf |
| 12:07.46 | judd | Package pppoeconf in squeeze/i386 -- depends: whiptail-provider | whiptail, ppp (>= 2.4.2+20040428-2) | pppoe (>= 3.0), ppp (>= 2.4.1.uus2-4), gettext-base (>= 0.13), sed (>= 3.95), modconf. |
| 12:07.54 | thewanderer1 | pozic, /etc/init.d/mountkernfs.sh |
| 12:08.27 | pozic | thewanderer1: is that done by default? |
| 12:08.30 | jelly | pozic: they serve different purposes, just like you might have multiple ext3 mounts used of different stuff |
| 12:08.40 | thewanderer1 | pozic, if you read the file, o |
| 12:08.43 | nsadmin | hmm, that's a lot to satisfy without a net |
| 12:08.44 | pozic | jelly: ok, then I will just make one bigger. |
| 12:08.44 | thewanderer1 | you'll surely know |
| 12:08.54 | thewanderer1 | also, if I readjust my Enter key I'll surely type better... |
| 12:08.54 | pozic | Yeah, thanks. |
| 12:08.56 | NikLP_ | maybe the information here means I can get the nightly stable and still have use of apt with it? I don't understand it completely tho... http://code.bitlbee.org/debian/ |
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| 12:09.24 | chrisb_ | :pozic and -- tmpfs 99M 0 99M 0% /run/shm ? |
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| 12:09.46 | nsadmin | me-1, is there any way of putting the machine on the net without directly handling pppoe? |
| 12:10.24 | nsadmin | or maybe we should figure out apt-zip |
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| 12:11.23 | nsadmin | me-1, for example, how are you talkin to us now? |
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| 12:12.07 | chrisb_ | nsadmin: there is also apt-offline |
| 12:12.07 | nsadmin | I have been talkin to a stone... |
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| 12:12.51 | nsadmin | chrisb_, how does that work? |
| 12:12.54 | orly_owl | Is there a list of wlan+bluetooth mini pcie cards that dont require proprietary driver/firmware? The closest I've found is http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi |
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| 12:14.19 | chrisb_ | nsadmin: http://apt-offline.alioth.debian.org/ |
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| 12:16.20 | nsadmin | chrisb_, "The server failed authenticity check; cert not signed by recognized authority" |
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| 12:17.42 | nsadmin | chrisb, is this a problem? :) |
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| 12:18.21 | chrisb_ | nsadmin: so "lynx http://apt-offline.alioth.debian.org/" fails? |
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| 12:18.42 | nsadmin | well I'm using konq |
| 12:18.47 | nsadmin | I dunno about lynx |
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| 12:20.54 | nsadmin | just wondering... (so, I just got disgusted by the multitude of messages and just said "acceot forever" about like 5 times) |
| 12:21.19 | nsadmin | it doesn't fail, it just says the cert isn't signed |
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| 12:22.50 | chrisb_ | nsadmin: I don't get that ... I'm using debian wheezy, not sure if that makes a difference. |
| 12:23.21 | nsadmin | hmm, maybe you've accepted the cert long ago |
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| 12:23.47 | nsadmin | I guess it's likely the alioth folks didn't want to pay for a cert |
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| 12:24.31 | chrisb_ | nsadmin: but you *can* connect, right? |
| 12:24.57 | nsadmin | anyway that guy isn't back :) yes, I can, it's me-1 who can't |
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| 12:26.31 | chrisb_ | nsadmin: Oh right. but I remember I couldn't get apt-zip to work but I used apt-offline OK. |
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| 12:27.54 | nsadmin | aha, could you give an example of one workflow? |
| 12:28.31 | nsadmin | like, you wanted to install XYZ, you got apt-offline going, and then? |
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| 12:29.50 | nsadmin | noone has any comments about perl vs python in terms of how they're used in debian? |
| 12:30.20 | petemc | they're both used? |
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| 12:30.31 | petemc | what sort of comment are you after? |
| 12:30.33 | nsadmin | I dunno :) |
| 12:30.35 | petemc | they are |
| 12:30.49 | nsadmin | are both in the base? |
| 12:30.57 | petemc | perl definitely is |
| 12:31.19 | nsadmin | is there still a "base"? :) |
| 12:32.04 | chrisb_ | nsadmin: "https://alioth.debian.org/frs/download.php/3537/apt-offline-1.1.tar.gz" :) |
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| 12:33.21 | DelTree | if you want a few base tools, you need python, ruby and perl... :| |
| 12:34.22 | nsadmin | ok, for one thing, I'm aware that when python was first coming out, even perl gurus liked it... I'm wondering if people like python better, if so what has them like it better: is it easier? |
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| 12:35.04 | nsadmin | (note that I've done some under-the-hood C work in perl, so not exactly a beginner) |
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| 12:36.32 | chrisb_ | ruby:- optional perl:- standard |
| 12:36.41 | sephii | nsadmin: its syntax is especially cleaner imo |
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| 12:37.22 | jelly | chrisb_: whoever wrote apt-listbugs in ruby deserves to be shot! <g> |
| 12:37.22 | nsadmin | sephii, especially with regard to data structures and oop? |
| 12:37.39 | DelTree | just install apt-listchanges, apt-listbugs and logwatch and you have the three languages... |
| 12:37.54 | jelly | DelTree: nah, perl's there by default |
| 12:37.57 | jogster | http://s1-01.twitpicproxy.com/photos/full/513845088.jpg |
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| 12:38.04 | jogster | any ideas what happend to this guy? |
| 12:38.08 | nsadmin | at least perl-base |
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| 12:38.54 | chrisb_ | If you are running stable, you shouldn't need apt-listchanges + apt-listbugs |
| 12:38.55 | jelly | jogster: best to take that to #debian-offtopic or #defocus |
| 12:39.37 | sephii | nsadmin: I never did oop in perl, but for data structures I find python to be much more comprehensible and "logic" |
| 12:39.40 | nsadmin | or #forensic-grossness |
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| 12:40.06 | jogster | this has an important message |
| 12:40.09 | jogster | wear a seatbelt!\ |
| 12:40.16 | jogster | nsadmin he is not dead |
| 12:40.22 | sephii | nsadmin: but you'll get the same basic stuff such as lists and dictionaries, except their manipulation is more verbose I think |
| 12:40.30 | barnex | hello, I have fresh install of debian squeeze and have some trouble installing curl: http://paste.ubuntu.com/860456/ |
| 12:40.41 | jelly | jogster: this is still a tech. support channel, and it's not tech support for seat belts |
| 12:40.56 | barnex | I did apt-get update and upgrade and tried googling, but doesn't seem like it's popular problem. |
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| 12:41.18 | nsadmin | sephii, cool. that's worth learning it... which is more verbose? |
| 12:41.26 | sephii | barnex: what's your debian version? |
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| 12:41.48 | liquidee | hello everyone |
| 12:42.23 | sephii | nsadmin: python is more verbose, but not uselessly verbose, just so that it's easier to read |
| 12:42.29 | barnex | sephii: 6.0.4 |
| 12:42.39 | liquidee | im having a problem with scancodes |
| 12:42.58 | nsadmin | sephii, I'm all for easy-to-read, makes it easy to maintain |
| 12:43.36 | liquidee | does anyone know why an unknown key pops up in kernel log but the key cant be seen by showkey -s? |
| 12:44.26 | sephii | barnex: could you paste your sources.list? |
| 12:45.00 | barnex | sephii: http://paste.ubuntu.com/860462/ |
| 12:45.22 | sephii | barnex: you don't seem to have any repositories configured |
| 12:45.33 | barnex | Ok, thank you |
| 12:45.40 | sephii | there's a dpkg command for that |
| 12:45.42 | sephii | !sources.list |
| 12:45.42 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://cdn.debian.net/debian/ squeeze main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main". Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <squeeze updates> <squeeze security> and "man sources.list". |
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| 12:46.16 | sephii | oh my, I didn't expect it to work |
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| 12:46.53 | ksk | hi. if i do "mount --bind /foo /bar" - is there any way to get to the original contents of /bar without unmounting? :> |
| 12:47.43 | frostschutz | ksk: mount whatever filesystems that holds /bar to somewhere you can access it |
| 12:47.53 | epsas | frostschutz ++ |
| 12:48.20 | ksk | frostschutz: mhm, nice idea :) |
| 12:48.22 | ksk | thanks |
| 12:48.32 | ksk | (and great nick :p) |
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| 12:49.49 | chrisb_ | barnex: have a look at apt-spy. |
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| 12:55.46 | Sebby | how can i see wich java installed packages i have? i think i installed a wrong one |
| 12:55.47 | Sebby | ? |
| 12:56.25 | jubo2 | I have a problem .. I'm trying to set up iptables and every time I execute the script it halts the ssh connection to the serv I'm configuring |
| 12:56.32 | jubo2 | I am using the following |
| 12:56.37 | TechDesk | Seb java -version |
| 12:57.18 | jubo2 | iptables -A INPUT -i eth0 -p tcp --dport 22 -m state --state NEW,ESTABLISHED -j ACCEPT |
| 12:57.19 | jubo2 | iptables -A OUTPUT -o eth0 -p tcp --sport 22 -m state --state ESTABLISHED -j ACCEPT |
| 12:57.26 | epsas | Sebby - also `dpkg --list|grep java ` |
| 12:57.53 | barnex | Sebby: or dpkg --get-selections | grep java |
| 12:57.58 | jubo2 | this is for allowing incoming ssh but hangs the ssh connection every time I try to run it and have to remotely reboot the box |
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| 12:58.31 | DelTree | does syn/ack go by established ? |
| 12:59.34 | chrisb_ | dicod or dictd? |
| 12:59.35 | simonlnu | already connected ones |
| 12:59.36 | krion | JyZyXEL: related |
| 12:59.38 | Sebby | java-virtual-m and java-common returned by dpkg list ...how do i remove one of them barnex? |
| 12:59.43 | krion | JyZyXEL: sorry |
| 13:00.08 | krion | jubo2: add related to the state |
| 13:00.09 | Sebby | or ..epas |
| 13:00.28 | jubo2 | krion: of the first line, the second line or both ? |
| 13:00.33 | simonlnu | you don't want NEW in there |
| 13:00.39 | krion | jubo2: first ... and second i guess |
| 13:00.47 | krion | jubo2: i'm not filtering on output so i'm not sure |
| 13:00.56 | simonlnu | RELATED,ESTABLISHED |
| 13:01.08 | krion | jubo2: in fact i don't even filter for ssh :D |
| 13:01.41 | simonlnu | you set NEW if you a) have a default DROP or REJECT policy b) want to let remote make new connections to ports |
| 13:02.00 | simonlnu | s/to ports// |
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| 13:02.19 | DelTree | just -j ulog and you should see what kind of packets you block... |
| 13:02.25 | simonlnu | and you set per port, not as a global like that ^^^ |
| 13:04.45 | jubo2 | simonlnu: krion: adding RELATED didn't help the situation in any way.. |
| 13:04.55 | jubo2 | rebooting the box .. |
| 13:05.34 | simonlnu | it probaly (i think very likely) has nothing to do with iptables |
| 13:05.44 | simonlnu | *bly |
| 13:06.00 | krion | jubo2: try accepting everything on output first |
| 13:06.19 | krion | jubo2: but as simonlnu said, RELATED,ESTABLISHED is the way to go |
| 13:06.58 | krion | DelTree: i'm gonna do that, just out of curiosity |
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| 13:16.21 | Sebby | what java package do i need to run a .jar program ? (toonel.jar) ..on windows i use jre and works perfect ..wich is the equal of windows jre on debian? |
| 13:18.01 | NishaKitty | I think my aptitude package manager has a spelling mistake |
| 13:18.09 | tensorpudding | Sebby, you want to download openjdk 6 from aptitude |
| 13:18.17 | NishaKitty | it says rread when updating the package list |
| 13:18.21 | NishaKitty | rred* |
| 13:18.28 | NishaKitty | I presume it's supposed ot be read |
| 13:18.44 | epsilon | Sebby: openjdk package, or jre from oracle and install in /opt somewhee |
| 13:18.47 | tensorpudding | Sebby, just install the default-jre package and it'll get it for you |
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| 13:27.24 | sbarcteam | hm. |
| 13:27.45 | sbarcteam | guys I have question about nfs security restrictions. where is the best place to ask ? |
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| 13:32.20 | ujjain | What providers updatedb/locate? |
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| 13:33.29 | themill | !mlocate |
| 13:33.29 | dpkg | mlocate (where m == "merging") is locate/updatedb implementation, a replacement for the <locate> and <slocate> tools from lenny onwards. mlocate is clever in that it remembers timestamps on directories so it doesn't need to rebuild the entire database each day. See http://packages.debian.org/mlocate for more information. http://carolina.mff.cuni.cz/~trmac/blog/mlocate |
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| 13:37.55 | simonlnu | !search |
| 13:37.55 | dpkg | Please search for things rather than just asking, e.g. 'apt-cache search regex', or with <aptitude search>. The following ways can locate packages that own a file (installed, or candidate for install): 'dpkg -S /bin/foo', <apt-file>, <pdo> (online) and <help find> (bot). <search dpkg> for factoids. See http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt and ask me about <bot help>. See also <axi-search> <debtags> <dlocate>. |
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| 13:52.52 | pozic | local0.* -/var/log/pgsql # what exactly does this line mean? |
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| 13:53.04 | pozic | It comes from rsyslog.conf |
| 13:53.53 | pozic | In particular, I don't get how the system knows that local0 matches postgres. |
| 13:54.08 | simonlnu | means log everything priority from local0 to that file |
| 13:54.27 | simonlnu | that's probably because postgres is set to log to that facility |
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| 14:02.38 | bool | how do i tell a specific program to use the 32bit libraries of gtk? ld_library_path does not make it use gtk2 libs |
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| 14:05.33 | ew0x | .ybq |
| 14:05.58 | themill | ew0x: New unix password: |
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| 14:06.21 | ew0x | themill: Nice try |
| 14:06.29 | themill | damn. foiled again. |
| 14:07.18 | ew0x | themill: You were so close ;) was a failed '/unq' (shifted by 1 row left - doh.) |
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| 14:07.59 | themill | :) |
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| 14:23.43 | misch | sdfsd |
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| 14:24.06 | misch | omg |
| 14:24.16 | misch | i am not banned but i can not change y |
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| 14:24.33 | misch | my nickname cuz it says i am banned... can not change nickame while u banned |
| 14:25.03 | pozic | Is there a way to display postgresql query data performance (things like query X takes 2000 ms, etc.)? I can only find tools that don't work or have bitrotted. |
| 14:26.10 | misch | i guess unfortunately that the nickname "John_Doe" is banned :) why u OP's ban by nickname? |
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| 14:29.24 | misch | whew a non related question to debian: can i send to channel? |
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| 14:30.21 | babilen | misch: Please take it to #freenode (AFAICT this is not related to #debian) |
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| 14:31.30 | misch | thx for reply, thought i got banned while i was afk for some crazy reasons !!! john_doe jane_doe nevermind^ thought would be a funny nickname, but i dont need |
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| 14:33.10 | buhman | http://sprunge.us/HLaQ ; how can I make apt start behaving again? |
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| 14:36.51 | buhman | and why is there no package for gnu parallel? |
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| 14:38.25 | babilen | buhman: Yeah, that is *really* sad and should have been fixed long time ago. http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=597050 |
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| 14:39.03 | nsadmin | lots of times apt starts complaining if packages from outside its view are installed, or attempts to mix dists are made... let's see, can you pastebin your sources.list? |
| 14:39.37 | babilen | buhman: In particular because it looks as if the issue has essentially been solved. (--tollef option) |
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| 14:40.57 | buhman | nsadmin: http://sprunge.us/JXKC |
| 14:41.10 | buhman | babilen: yeah, that last message sounds like they should have solved it |
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| 14:41.27 | johnfg | hi guys |
| 14:42.30 | johnfg | still getting nfs configured correctly on squeeze. I note that rpcbind is not installed by default. Is it needed for nfs to work properly? I note that it will remove portmap if I install it. |
| 14:42.51 | nsadmin | buhman, so, you're mostly having wheezy installed... |
| 14:42.59 | nsadmin | a coupla things I noticed, |
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| 14:43.42 | buhman | nsadmin: "mostly"? |
| 14:43.49 | nsadmin | you have some commented sid binary sources, and you have some sources that say wheezy and others that say testing --- this one is safe until wheezy becomes stable |
| 14:43.50 | johnfg | nevermind, it looks like rpcbind is just an alternative to portmap, which is already running. |
| 14:44.19 | nsadmin | did you install anything from sid? |
| 14:44.32 | buhman | nsadmin: not that I can remember |
| 14:45.01 | buhman | surely apt could tell me |
| 14:45.25 | nsadmin | ok, that pretty much takes care of any problems with mixed dist |
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| 14:57.17 | johnfg | I'm looking at a page on wiki.debian about nfs on squeeze, and it refers to rpc.quotad, but I can't find it. |
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| 14:58.01 | johnfg | Do I need it? And if so, where's it at? |
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| 15:18.46 | dokma | why would an fstat64 on /usr/lib/libmysqlclient_r.so.16 take almost 2.5 seconds???? |
| 15:18.58 | dokma | it happens when I call imap_open from php |
| 15:19.15 | dokma | the php process is the one that hangs on it for 2.4 seconds |
| 15:20.11 | dokma | abrotman: any ideas? |
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| 15:28.09 | dokma | why would an fstat64 on /usr/lib/libmysqlclient_r.so.16 take almost 2.5 seconds???? |
| 15:28.13 | dokma | it happens when I call imap_open from php |
| 15:28.22 | dokma | the php process is the one that hangs on it for 2.4 seconds |
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| 15:29.22 | lancelot_of | hi there |
| 15:29.35 | lancelot_of | how to install vmware on wheezy? |
| 15:29.47 | lancelot_of | and use it with an xp os as guest |
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| 15:30.05 | nkuttler | !tell lancelot_of about vmware |
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| 15:43.49 | djp_ | how do you revert back from a downgraded package? |
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| 15:44.26 | nsadmin | do you have the .deb of the version you want? |
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| 15:44.58 | djp_ | nsadmin: no. it was originally installed via aptitude |
| 15:45.18 | djp_ | nsadmin: aptitude recommended downgrading the package in order to install another |
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| 15:45.48 | nsadmin | djp: might the .deb be in /var/cache/apt/archives? |
| 15:45.49 | djp_ | nsadmin: i've purged the other package using aptitude but running an update doesn't show that i need to update any packages |
| 15:46.24 | djp_ | nsadmin: no. i run aptitude clean, so they would have been deleted |
| 15:46.43 | nsadmin | oh ok |
| 15:46.53 | djp_ | nsadmin: should i just take it as all is fine? |
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| 15:47.41 | nsadmin | I would imagine the answer to your question of "how re-upgrade a downgraded" is "get the .deb, download it manually, install using dpkg -i <thatfile.deb> |
| 15:47.49 | nsadmin | " |
| 15:48.00 | djp_ | nsadmin: libasound2 was basically downgraded in order to allow install of libasound2-plugins |
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| 15:48.35 | djp_ | nsadmin: i see. ok, thanks |
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| 15:48.56 | nsadmin | hmm... perhaps looking at history of the libasound-plugins package could offer info and insights |
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| 15:49.34 | nsadmin | maybe the plugins you want got shuffled into other package(s) |
| 15:49.50 | nsadmin | or... do you want plugins? |
| 15:50.21 | nsadmin | more to the point, do you care whether you have those plugins or not? |
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| 15:50.49 | djp_ | nsadmin: well, i unistalled libasound2-plugins, so i gather it just means that libasound2 is a downgraded version now. no... don't require libasound2-plugins now |
| 15:50.59 | abrotman | dokma: uh what? |
| 15:51.15 | nsadmin | ok, maybe everything is ok |
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| 15:51.34 | dokma | abrotman: got any idea why would fstat64 spend 2.5 secs on mysql library? |
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| 15:54.18 | jelly | because your disk is rather busy? |
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| 15:56.21 | abrotman | dokma: i rry not to use mysql .. and your question was vague anyway |
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| 16:01.04 | karlpinc | mysql. Run away! (I do. :-) |
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| 16:02.26 | burek | hi, is there any "generic" driver for network card, so that I can enable my ethernet interface just to be able to use the internet |
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| 16:03.32 | burek | I need to switch cables all the time (vga and ps/2 for keyboard) to be able to work on the test machine, because debian doesn't recognize the ethernet card there :S |
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| 16:05.47 | petemc | burek: some require firmware |
| 16:06.07 | burek | firmware? |
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| 16:06.21 | petemc | yes |
| 16:06.34 | burek | why |
| 16:06.58 | petemc | because some cards need a non free binary blob to work |
| 16:07.08 | petemc | debian doesnt distribute such |
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| 16:07.36 | burek | isn't that blob supposed to be on the device's chip itself? |
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| 16:07.58 | petemc | evidently not |
| 16:08.24 | burek | so what's the point of using something that you don't have in the first place? :) |
| 16:08.43 | babilen | burek: What is your NIC? (lspci -nn|grep -i ethernet) |
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| 16:09.16 | burek | yeah, I could give you that info, if I would only be able to do a copy/paste |
| 16:09.29 | jelly | burek: a simple driver update is easier for both hw vendor and a user than having the user burn eeproms |
| 16:09.34 | burek | since I don't have any network enabled, I can't do a copy/paste either :/ |
| 16:09.38 | babilen | burek: Ok, all I need is the PCIID (the alphanumerical identifier at the end) |
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| 16:09.47 | jelly | burek: copy/paste just the [xxxx:yyyy] hex number |
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| 16:10.05 | burek | wait, i need to switch vga and ps/2 to do that, brb |
| 16:11.34 | simonlnu | switching ps/2 live? eek |
| 16:12.20 | jelly | yes, it is not 1990 any more |
| 16:12.30 | simonlnu | o_O |
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| 16:13.12 | simonlnu | care to tell me what year machines you can do that? |
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| 16:16.19 | burek | 1969:1083 |
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| 16:16.38 | burek | well it works live |
| 16:16.42 | burek | it's only a keyboard |
| 16:16.54 | burek | windows crashes when I do that live, though :) |
| 16:17.05 | babilen | ,pciid 1969:1083 |
| 16:17.06 | judd | [1969:1083] is 'AR8151 v2.0 Gigabit Ethernet' from 'Atheros Communications Inc.' with no known kernel module in squeeze but has kernel module 'atl1c' in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1969:1083 |
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| 16:17.25 | burek | cool |
| 16:17.50 | babilen | burek: You need a newer kernel and you can easily install one from backports. See "/msg dpkg bdo kernel" for further details. You can ask the bot about all the factoids in <…> |
| 16:18.03 | burek | newer kernel? |
| 16:18.11 | burek | I downloaded latest debian testing :) |
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| 16:18.59 | simonlnu | 3.2.x kernel ? |
| 16:19.34 | burek | well, this http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.4/amd64/iso-cd/debian-6.0.4-amd64-netinst.iso |
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| 16:19.51 | babilen | burek: You mean you used the testing installer and installed wheezy with it? Please note that this is *not* the recommended way to install wheezy/testing (if at all) -- Which kernel do you have? Which module is reported when you run "lspci -knn|grep -A2 -i ethernet" ? |
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| 16:20.17 | burek | babilen, for the module, none of them is in use |
| 16:20.28 | jelly | babilen: 6.0.4 doesn't sound too testy |
| 16:20.29 | babilen | burek: That is the stable installer and the recommended version of Debian -- Which kernel do you run? (uname -r) |
| 16:20.30 | burek | during installation process debian couldn't even recognize the network card |
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| 16:20.48 | burek | man, I can't switch cables all the time, just to be able to run a few commands :( |
| 16:20.59 | burek | I told you I downloaded the iso image from debian official download page |
| 16:21.00 | burek | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.4/amd64/iso-cd/debian-6.0.4-amd64-netinst.iso |
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| 16:21.23 | babilen | We can't support you without trying out things and providing additional information. Given that you most likely use stable/squeeze you have to install a newer kernel from bdo. |
| 16:21.34 | burek | ... |
| 16:21.40 | jelly | mumbles about *kmuto* to noone in particular |
| 16:21.57 | jhutchins_wk | ,kernels |
| 16:21.59 | judd | Available kernel versions are: sid: 3.2.0-1-686-pae (3.2.6-1); wheezy: 3.2.0-1-686-pae (3.2.6-1); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.1-686-pae (3.2.4-1~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-41); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-35~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-27) |
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| 16:22.03 | burek | i apologize, i realize now i installed stable |
| 16:22.05 | burek | :s |
| 16:22.36 | burek | anyway, would it matter if i install testing, because the support is present only in sid? |
| 16:22.53 | babilen | burek: Ah, you have absolutely no internet connection on that box right now? If so heed jelly's advice and use the "/msg dpkg kmuto" installer that comes with a newer kernel for the initial installation. Install a backported kernel from bdo (as per "/msg dpkg bdo kernel") afterwards. |
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| 16:23.28 | burek | to be honest, i dont even understand what have you just told me :) |
| 16:23.33 | helmut_ | ht |
| 16:23.34 | burek | but ill try to use the google :) |
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| 16:23.46 | jelly | !tell burek about kmuto |
| 16:23.49 | burek | and yes, i have no connectivity |
| 16:24.23 | babilen | burek: The testing installer would work (for your NIC), but is meant for testing the installer and might have serious other problems right now. But yeah, that card should *also* work in testing. I would recommend to use kmuto for the initial installation and stay with stable though. |
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| 16:25.19 | burek | just to ask a stupid question :) isn't the latest kernel like 3.something? |
| 16:25.29 | burek | I mean I also use debian testing on all our machines |
| 16:25.36 | burek | and I'm pretty sure it's 3.x.x |
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| 16:26.04 | babilen | yes |
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| 16:27.47 | burek | the point of my stupid question is if i can find a link to download a latest testing version in iso format and just install that, instead of backports (which i even don't know what it is) |
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| 16:28.35 | zizban | My testing kernel is 3.2.0-1-686-pae |
| 16:28.47 | zizban | and that was from two weeks ago's io |
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| 16:29.24 | burek | yes, that's what I was talking about, so is there any link to an iso download, on the debian's website, to download that "latest" testing debian (wheezy?) and just install it |
| 16:29.27 | jelly | burek: installer images to boot and install testing are not created until late in the release process, after the installer itself is working well |
| 16:29.36 | babilen | burek: As I said earlier: The testing installer is *not* meant for installing testing, but for testing the installer. It can, however, be found at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ (unsupported and might or might not work) -- Just install squeeze with kmuto and take it from there. |
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| 16:30.02 | burek | ok, I understand, so I need stable installer for the "testing" version of debian? right :D |
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| 16:30.39 | zizban | just used a testing iso.Hangs head in shame. |
| 16:30.44 | jelly | burek: you need to: 1) install current stable, Debian 6, base system 2) upgrade it to testing |
| 16:30.53 | burek | oh |
| 16:30.57 | jelly | burek: 3) install other stuff |
| 16:31.10 | burek | there is no way to download iso file from debian site for testing version of debian? |
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| 16:31.36 | zizban | edit your /etc/apt/sources.list and do apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 16:31.39 | babilen | burek: Didn't we cover that already? |
| 16:31.42 | burek | :D |
| 16:31.44 | jelly | burek: correct. |
| 16:31.52 | burek | I really apologize, I'm not trying to irritate anyone |
| 16:32.05 | burek | it's just, I'm trying to find a solution that I can understand :D |
| 16:32.19 | jelly | burek: it's not YOUR fault that Debian use same terminology to cover different things! |
| 16:32.36 | burek | I used to install debians from CDs containing "testing" version of debian, thats why its strange to me now there is no download link for such thing anymore |
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| 16:32.58 | burek | or should I say wheezy |
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| 16:33.07 | burek | to avoid missunderstanding |
| 16:33.15 | jelly | burek: ha. Little did you know that those were NOT "testing" versions of debian, but "testing" versions of the INSTALLER program! |
| 16:33.26 | burek | oh... |
| 16:33.26 | babilen | burek: I already gave you a link to the development version of the debian-installer. It is, however, not recommended to use it. |
| 16:33.34 | zizban | realize Debian is more diabolical than he thought |
| 16:33.39 | burek | :D |
| 16:34.11 | burek | babilen, yes, thanks for that :) I will surely take a look, I'm just trying to understand now what have I done :) |
| 16:34.11 | jelly | "stable", "testing", "unstable", "updates" have at least 2-3 meanings each |
| 16:34.21 | babilen | zizban: http://www.aei.mpg.de/~pau/linux_bsd_fitxers/horned_logo.jpeg (totally off-topic, further comments in #debian-offtopic please) |
| 16:34.31 | zizban | heh |
| 16:35.12 | burek | jelly, but those cds installed debian with /etc/apt/sources.list pointing to the testing repositories |
| 16:35.27 | zizban | hey Ubuntu Satanic is still updated. Skip the middle man. |
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| 16:35.45 | burek | are you trying to say they contained stable base install with just a tweak in sources.list to catch up on the next apt-get update |
| 16:36.47 | babilen | burek: You *can* use the stable installer to install testing as well. (select it in the boot menu or in the during an expert install, can't remember) -- That is *also* not recommended, but meh |
| 16:36.49 | burek | every day I learn something new about debian :) I like it :) |
| 16:37.04 | jelly | burek: yeah, but they may be horribly broken and not work |
| 16:37.31 | burek | I see, so the only way for me is to first install the stable base install and then to change sources.list and upgrade to wheezy |
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| 16:37.47 | burek | but how, if my network card doesn't work :D |
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| 16:38.06 | zizban | magic! |
| 16:38.10 | zizban | oh wait, guess not |
| 16:38.15 | babilen | burek: You use the *kmuto* installer -- Please do us and yourself a favour and read what we have been discussing in the last N minutes ;) |
| 16:38.15 | burek | I'll have to read this entire log again, I can feel it :) |
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| 16:38.43 | burek | ok ok, sorry :) and thank you a lot for the help :) |
| 16:38.47 | jelly | all this talk of burek makes me hungry |
| 16:38.47 | babilen | burek: Please also see the private messages sent to you by our bot dpkg and the various references we made earlier :) |
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| 16:38.59 | burek | :D |
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| 16:40.08 | zizban | Heh, I've been using Debian for ages and I never heard of kmuto until today |
| 16:40.13 | zizban | Things you learn |
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| 16:40.50 | babilen | zizban: http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ and http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ are very valuable resources |
| 16:41.31 | zizban | Neat |
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| 16:43.00 | burek | just to make sure i understood :)) sorry again :) i'll download the first iso from the d-i page (md5 9aa35dbc299b15d6fa90a9224b8702c5) and try with that |
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| 16:43.05 | ksuhku | then there is http://h-node.org |
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| 16:44.45 | babilen | burek: ack |
| 16:45.10 | jexmex | is it possible to get netflix working on debian? |
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| 16:45.27 | jexmex | I have mono installed, that worked for some silverlight stuff, but netflix is still a no go |
| 16:45.39 | ajikeshi__ | ksuhku, nice project |
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| 16:46.58 | ksuhku | ajikeshi__, thx, i wish they would get the h-client working as soon as possible |
| 16:47.23 | Agiofws | does openoffice save files as plain TXT files ? |
| 16:47.32 | petemc | no |
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| 16:47.43 | petemc | im sure it can, but it will default to odf |
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| 16:47.58 | Agiofws | so i have to use a file extension ? |
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| 16:48.13 | petemc | what> |
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| 16:54.32 | himmelstrutz | hi. can some wifi-wiz kid please help me. I get disconnected all too often, and these are the "error messages" I get: http://pastebin.com/pEN9HJUp |
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| 16:55.20 | epsas | himmel - are you using wpa_supplicant ? |
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| 16:55.42 | himmelstrutz | epsas, Im not sure. how do I check? |
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| 16:57.25 | himmelstrutz | epsas, if its the default wifi-software, I imagine I do. |
| 16:57.30 | ratatata | nu |
| 16:57.43 | epsas | hmm - dunno |
| 16:58.27 | himmelstrutz | I have just used to edit the /etc/networking/interface, and hit /etc/init.d/networking start - and it has been working, up till now. |
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| 16:59.56 | epsas | http://code-redefined.blogspot.com/2010/05/fixing-no-probe-response-from-ap.html |
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| 17:00.25 | epsas | himmel - what is your chipset? |
| 17:00.53 | epsas | lspci|grep -i wireless |
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| 17:02.20 | himmelstrutz | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:03.53 | himmelstrutz | I will try out wicd, and see if anything changes. |
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| 17:06.53 | epsas | okay /win 21 |
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| 17:12.33 | Agiofws | http://imagebin.org/201226 |
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| 17:15.26 | babilen | Agiofws: Yes? Why do you post random pictures of your desktop? If you do this merely for your amusement I would kindly ask you to refrain from doing so in the future. |
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| 17:16.10 | Agiofws | yes ok ... |
| 17:16.14 | Agiofws | wrong channel |
| 17:16.29 | Agiofws | i'm translating the CODE linux documentary |
| 17:16.45 | babilen | ack - have fun |
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| 17:19.35 | burek | babilen, jelly, petemc, judd, jhutchins, zizban and Kenshi Muto of course :) thank you all guys :) it worked out of the box |
| 17:19.45 | burek | it made me laugh a lot :) |
| 17:19.56 | nyingen | how do I disable the use of UUIDs in grub? Googling on this issue brought up references to files like /etc/default/grub but that doesn't exist on my system |
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| 17:21.06 | burek | nyingen, can you do: cat /etc/debian_version |
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| 17:21.28 | zizban | nice |
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| 17:22.25 | nyingen | burek: lenny/sid. I did some upgrades recently and now I can't boot without manually setting the boot line (via the grub startup menu) back to root=/dev/sda1 |
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| 17:22.57 | nyingen | I've read about the UUID system, and I'd rather revert to the old system for now |
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| 17:23.11 | Agiofws | babilen, can you explain this to me please |
| 17:23.13 | Agiofws | http://codepad.org/4gzsmWj6 |
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| 17:23.35 | Agiofws | what did the hackers refuse ? |
| 17:23.42 | Agiofws | to undeliver what ? |
| 17:23.57 | burek | nyingen, can you do: grub --version |
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| 17:24.33 | nyingen | burek: 0.97, looks like |
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| 17:24.50 | burek | grub2 uses /etc/default/grub |
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| 17:24.58 | burek | let me see what does grub 0.97 use :) |
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| 17:25.04 | nyingen | burek: heh, I see. Should I upgrade grub? |
| 17:25.32 | jeremiah_gatong | "/usr/sbin/sshd <--- is this the way to start the ssh service? |
| 17:25.50 | burek | well it depends what is your goal :) but lenny should probably be upgraded to squeeze |
| 17:25.59 | babilen | Agiofws: Please take it elsewhere (either ##english or #debian-offtopic) -- This is hardly a Debian related problem. |
| 17:26.04 | simonlnu | jeremiah_gatong: no. use invoke-rc.d ssh start |
| 17:26.12 | burek | jeremiah_gatong, /etc/init.d/ssh start |
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| 17:26.17 | jeremiah_gatong | tnx! |
| 17:26.26 | jeremiah_gatong | I will try that |
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| 17:26.55 | Agiofws | kk |
| 17:27.22 | burek | nyingen, i cant find grub documentation anymore, it seems its deprecated, grub2 is now standard i guess |
| 17:27.26 | Agiofws | i would like someone to explain that part ... amyeb in english people wont understand |
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| 17:28.14 | threadlock | jeremiah_gatong: to make it start each boot, if it doesn't, 'update-rc.d ssh enable' |
| 17:28.40 | nyingen | burek: Ok, I'll try upgrading. Thanks for pointing this out! |
| 17:28.45 | nyingen | (should've thought of it myself) |
| 17:28.50 | burek | :) |
| 17:28.52 | burek | :beer: |
| 17:28.59 | jeremiah_gatong | I'm using debian sqeeze |
| 17:29.13 | jeremiah_gatong | connection refuse putty said |
| 17:29.15 | jeremiah_gatong | :( |
| 17:29.31 | burek | type netstat -pant | grep ssh |
| 17:29.58 | burek | does it say something like 0.0.0.0:port listen |
| 17:31.25 | jeremiah_gatong | may I don't have netstat installed? |
| 17:31.31 | jeremiah_gatong | can we use ps? |
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| 17:32.54 | burek | hm, no |
| 17:33.02 | burek | netstat lists sockets, ps lists processes |
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| 17:33.21 | burek | netstat is a small util |
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| 17:33.33 | burek | it'll take 2 seconds to install |
| 17:34.03 | jeremiah_gatong | long story... I'm trying doing ssh to against a NAS device |
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| 17:34.28 | burek | can you take a look at /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
| 17:34.32 | jeremiah_gatong | I'm reading this thing http://pyload.org/installing_pyload_on_a_router |
| 17:34.35 | burek | to see what is the PORT variable set to |
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| 17:35.24 | babilen | jeremiah_gatong: You are trying to ssh into a NAS that runs Debian? Or you are using putty on Debian (in a virtual machine?) ? Or where exactly does Debian come into play here? |
| 17:35.44 | jeremiah_gatong | @burek: I invoke this /usr/local/sbin/sshd, and it works, wonder why there are lots of approach enabling this |
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| 17:36.27 | burek | yes jeremiah_gatong can you please elaborate a little bit what are you trying to do |
| 17:36.33 | jeremiah_gatong | My Buffalo NAS has ssh but it's disable by default |
| 17:36.57 | jeremiah_gatong | It's operating system, afaik is debian squeeze |
| 17:37.22 | Yeretik | I'm trying to install java support for my Iceweasel 10.0.2 in Debian Sid with openjdk-6-jre but it doesn't work... Any suggestion ? |
| 17:37.24 | dioz | buffalo nas? |
| 17:37.42 | jeremiah_gatong | I want to install pyload (directlink downloader) to it, since it only has bittorrent web client, thats the reason why I want to ssh. |
| 17:37.58 | dioz | well then you'll need to have console access |
| 17:38.10 | burek | jeremiah_gatong, did you read this http://forum.buffalo.nas-central.org/viewtopic.php?f=39&t=17881 |
| 17:38.15 | jeremiah_gatong | Buffalo Link Station Live (LS-XL) |
| 17:38.22 | dioz | netstat -apWn |
| 17:38.30 | dioz | see if the sshd proc is listening on a port |
| 17:38.42 | dioz | if not you'll need to enable/install it |
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| 17:39.34 | babilen | Yeretik: Could you be more specific about what exactly doesn't work? |
| 17:39.39 | jeremiah_gatong | burek, ssh now works, thanks |
| 17:39.55 | burek | :) |
| 17:40.00 | jeremiah_gatong | :) |
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| 17:41.06 | Yeretik | I'm visited sites that need java plugin enabled and it doesn't appear like work. |
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| 17:41.20 | allain | I've installed various Operating System for the last 3 days while trying to solve my Wireless that requires a kernel upgrade. I really don't want to have to reinstall everything again. Is there a way of taking a full system snapshot and storing it to DVD so that if I want to restart from that point I can quickly do so? |
| 17:41.22 | burek | Yeretik, you need java jre |
| 17:41.31 | Justin | dioz: the options you are looking for are -plnt |
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| 17:41.37 | Yeretik | Openjdk doesn't work ? |
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| 17:41.59 | dioz | Justin: why? |
| 17:42.08 | babilen | Yeretik: You need to install the plugin as well. Please see "/msg dpkg java plugin" for further details (you want the icedtea6-plugin package) |
| 17:42.35 | Justin | dioz: because they are the right options to use when looking for things listenting on a tcp port. not the random ones you gave |
| 17:42.49 | dioz | i used a instead of l |
| 17:42.53 | burek | allain, you can switch to a single-user mode and use dd to make a copy of your hdd to another medium |
| 17:42.54 | dioz | i'm not sure where the issue is |
| 17:42.58 | babilen | Yeretik: OpenJDK works and is recommended (in particular for 7) |
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| 17:43.15 | Justin | dioz: that would be the issue |
| 17:43.21 | dioz | no issue here |
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| 17:43.33 | dioz | works fine from this side |
| 17:43.37 | dioz | i'm using squeeze how about you? |
| 17:44.03 | Justin | printing out 100s of irrelevant lines instead of a dozen relevant ones is not working fine |
| 17:44.14 | dioz | grep it then? |
| 17:44.25 | Justin | or, use the right options to begin with |
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| 17:44.44 | dioz | sure kiddo |
| 17:44.46 | dioz | w/e you say ;] |
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| 17:44.57 | burek | you're both right, just, the Justin's way works more stable on a big production servers, where there are 10s of thousands of established connections |
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| 17:45.21 | burek | -l, --listening |
| 17:45.21 | burek | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:45.32 | dioz | and it's a buffalo nas |
| 17:45.41 | dioz | which isn't a production server |
| 17:45.49 | dioz | so the argument is silly |
| 17:45.50 | burek | which doesn't even have netstat installed :) |
| 17:45.51 | burek | ^^ |
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| 17:46.14 | burek | so the entire topic is kinda silly :) |
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| 17:56.08 | jhutchins_wk | allain: Yes. |
| 17:56.20 | Yeretik | Thanks babilen |
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| 17:57.20 | babilen | Yeretik: Did that do the trick? |
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| 17:59.32 | SmashingX | how can I update the sources? |
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| 17:59.51 | zizban | apt-get update |
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| 18:00.18 | SmashingX | thanks |
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| 18:16.50 | el_isma | Hello. I have experienced different hard drives (a Kingston SSD and 2 different pendrives) which, after a couple of days disconnect and I can't use them anymore. If I reboot, everything is fine... What can I do? |
| 18:17.48 | zizban | hate to ask, but how you disconnect them? |
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| 18:19.51 | el_isma | zizban: I do nothing. I boot the PC, leave it be for a couple of days (they run servers) and when I come back and try to use the HD in any way (say, run top, write a file, whatever) it doesnt work and says "input/output error", dmesg shows that the HD has stopped responding... I don't remember the exact message (I had to reboot, the server has to keep running) |
| 18:20.46 | el_isma | I have other SSDs and other pendrives running the exact same thing and they dont fail |
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| 18:21.44 | dvs | el_isma: zizban is asking about "try to use the HD in any way". Is the HD hooked up all the time? |
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| 18:22.08 | el_isma | dvs: yes, of course. I do not physically touch the PCs |
| 18:22.39 | el_isma | nor do I issue any command to alter the connection state (say, forcing the SATA controller to hot-remove them) |
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| 18:23.16 | el_isma | and the servers aren't exposed to any kind of shock, are in temperature regulated rooms and all... |
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| 18:23.52 | el_isma | yet I had HP pendrives and Kingston SSDs fail |
| 18:24.48 | el_isma | I can't replace one after another and see if "it fixes it by blind luck" |
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| 18:26.34 | Woet | dmidecode doesn't seem to show it |
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| 18:29.29 | converge | somone here use rsnapshot ? When I enter "rsnapshot daily", should it create the backup files ? |
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| 18:30.33 | el_isma | yes converge |
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| 18:31.25 | converge | el_isma: I checked the config with rsnapshot configtest and I think it's all ok, some idea what can be wrong? |
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| 18:31.58 | el_isma | converge: try rsnapshot daily -t |
| 18:32.06 | nyingen | is there any consensus on which modern video cards are best supported in debian? |
| 18:32.38 | el_isma | nyingen: nVidia and AMD should be both well supported |
| 18:33.01 | converge | el_isma: the output is /var/cache/rsnapshot/hourly.22 not present (yet), nothing to copy , some idea..? |
| 18:33.14 | somiaj | nyingen: debian squeeze has a slightly older kernel/libs so the newest generation of cards I would avoid. Intel has good support as well. |
| 18:33.19 | nyingen | I have an on-board ATI radeon now, and I'm looking to upgrade to something that will actually let me use 3D acceleration. I also want to add a 3rd monitor |
| 18:33.54 | nyingen | I've had some problems with the radeon driver I'm using, so I'm trying to make sure my next video card has good support |
| 18:33.56 | el_isma | converge: sounds like you defined no "backup" lines |
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| 18:34.57 | el_isma | nyingen: I've had good success using nvidia, good 3d accel. From what I hear, if your AMD card is supported by the open driver, you're all set. |
| 18:35.05 | nyingen | el_isma: cool |
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| 18:35.18 | converge | el_isma: I do.. backup /home/ localhost/ |
| 18:35.21 | nyingen | el_isma: I'll do some more research to determine which card to get exactly |
| 18:35.48 | el_isma | nyingen: check exactly what models are supported. Chances are the more recent AMD ones won't be supported |
| 18:35.49 | converge | el_isma: can you take a look on my rsnapshot.conf ? |
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| 18:37.05 | el_isma | converge: are you sure you don't have permissions issues? are you running rsnapshot as root? |
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| 18:38.17 | el_isma | nyingen: and i heard the closed source amd drivers are very sucky... |
| 18:38.24 | nyingen | el_isma: good to know |
| 18:38.51 | converge | el_isma: I do because im running with root to test |
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| 18:40.46 | converge | el_isma: can you take a look for me ? http://pastebin.com/mJ8N1wCb |
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| 18:42.35 | nand` | Is there any way to see the list of packages I have installed from a certain repository? |
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| 18:43.28 | el_isma | converge: ah, you have hourly backups too... I think it copies the latest hourly backup to the daily one, so if you want to test, run 23 times rsnapshot hourly, and then daily |
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| 18:43.37 | somiaj | nand`: what repos are you mixing? aptitude has search patterns to find packages of a certain release but I don't reacall a repo paticular pattern. |
| 18:44.02 | el_isma | converge: or disable hourly backups, if you don't want those |
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| 18:44.35 | nand` | somiaj: I want to see all packages I have installed from “non-free” |
| 18:44.39 | nand` | so I can remove those |
| 18:44.42 | somiaj | nand`: http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/projects/aptitude/doc/en/ch02s03s05.html#searchOrigin |
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| 18:46.41 | somiaj | nand`: seems you could search for the section too, 'aptitude search ~i~snon-free |
| 18:47.03 | converge | el_isma: thanks, there is another output creating the directory and using rsync, but i still cant see the files on /var/cache/rsnapshot .. some idea? |
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| 18:47.13 | dimaursu16 | hello guys |
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| 18:47.46 | nand` | somiaj: that's good, thanks |
| 18:48.02 | somiaj | nand`: note depending on your hardware you may not be able to elimate non-free entierly |
| 18:48.09 | dimaursu16 | is there any command line program ( or a graphical one ) to select the fastest debian mirror ( i use testing..) |
| 18:48.12 | nand` | somiaj: Oh yeah, i firmware-linux-nonfree |
| 18:48.22 | el_isma | converge: but you did create and put files into daily.22? |
| 18:48.39 | nand` | I assume that is still needed for the fglrx driver (which I installed manually)? Or is it just for “radeon”? |
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| 18:48.42 | somiaj | nand`: hardware that preferes to put firmware blobs as a software binary over an hardware flash gets thrown into non-free which is one of those iffy classifications to me |
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| 18:49.17 | somiaj | nand`: you need that for the free radeon driver acceleration. fglrx is a non-free driver and uses its own binary blob that comes in the fglrx-drivers package |
| 18:49.29 | nand` | Okay |
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| 18:50.16 | converge | el_isma: no.. i thought rsnapshot daily would use the file "backup /home /localhost" and create /var/cache/rsnapshot/localhost/home.. , am I right ? |
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| 18:50.28 | converge | *file/line |
| 18:50.43 | somiaj | nand`: but it is strange. If a piece of hardware puts a non-free firmware blob on the hardware and says talk to this software blob on the hardware with these protocols you don't need non-free packages. While if they instead of putting this binary blob on the hardware, but give it to you as a firmware blob and say talk to this this way to talk to the hardware it is now considered non-free. (second way is nice for updates without having to ref |
| 18:51.18 | kevlarman | somiaj: you got cut off at "to ref" |
| 18:51.32 | nand` | somiaj: AMD is an enemy of your freedom, what do you expect? |
| 18:51.34 | somiaj | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:51.36 | kevlarman | somiaj: also don't intel/nouveau/radeon all use firmware blobs? |
| 18:51.57 | kevlarman | not to mention intel/amd cpus :P |
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| 18:52.07 | jhutchins_wk | somiaj: If the non-free software is on the free OS, it becomes a "taint", making the whole of the OS less than "free". |
| 18:52.07 | nand` | somiaj: Isn't flashing also bad for compatibility? |
| 18:52.09 | somiaj | kevlarman: yes and in those cases they are reverse engineering the blobs from the non-free drivers (or getting them from the hardware). |
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| 18:52.13 | el_isma | converge: I believe (though not 100% sure) that it only moves the last hourly backup into daily. If you do not want hourly backups, disable them in the config |
| 18:52.34 | kevlarman | jhutchins_wk: it's not software though, it's firmware |
| 18:52.56 | jhutchins_wk | kevlarman: Sort of a gray area. It is a non-free component. |
| 18:53.04 | nand` | That's why you should use a Lemote YeeLoong machine |
| 18:53.05 | somiaj | jhutchins_wk: I don't mind the classification of it. I was just pointing out that some non-free firmware blobs aren't any different than getting a piece of hardware that has that blob on the hardware as oppossed to the harddisk. |
| 18:53.09 | jhutchins_wk | kevlarman: If it were only in the hardware, it would be less of an issue. |
| 18:53.13 | kevlarman | jhutchins_wk: well then you might as well apply that argument to hardware |
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| 18:53.32 | jhutchins_wk | somiaj: Yeah, it's a hair you can split or not if you want. |
| 18:54.12 | jhutchins_wk | kevlarman: You could, if you operate with hardware that has un-free code on it, and that un-free code interoperates with the free OS, some would say you're tainted. |
| 18:54.29 | jhutchins_wk | kevlarman: That is one thng the Open Hardware movement seeks to address. |
| 18:54.34 | dimaursu16 | guys...where I can get the mirrors list for debian? is something wrong with the one from Moldova, and i'd like to switch to one from Romania, or Germany ( they are ussualy fast) |
| 18:55.07 | jhutchins_wk | Some hardware is required by law not to be user controlable outside specified standards. |
| 18:55.10 | kevlarman | jhutchins_wk: it also leads to telling people that hardware with the firmware burned in is more free than hardware where there's a possibility of reverse engineering the firmware |
| 18:55.21 | nkuttler | !tell dimaursu16 about mirrors |
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| 18:55.30 | somiaj | dimaursu16: debian.org has it, debian.org/mirrors (or just search the site) |
| 18:55.40 | jhutchins_wk | kevlarman: Consider such platforms as dd-wrt. |
| 18:55.45 | converge | el_isma: working, I was using -t , using -t it doesnt create the backup files. thank you very much for your help ! |
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| 18:55.54 | el_isma | converge: np! |
| 18:56.08 | jhutchins_wk | Which, regarding earlier conversations, is what I believe the buffalo routers run, not standard debian. |
| 18:57.01 | jhutchins_wk | Stallman is really the only one who is absolutely certain what the difference is. |
| 18:57.14 | somiaj | I hope wheezy fixes the non-free issue a bit, I don't mind the seperation as once you add non-free repos the end user only sees it if they care to. But would be nice for the installer (espcailly due to the large number of wireless cards requiring by law non-free firmware blobs) to not need a sepcial unoffical installer. |
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| 18:58.06 | kevlarman | somiaj: ubuntu's way of dealing with it is nice |
| 18:58.15 | jhutchins_wk | somiaj: It's really not Debain that makes that distinction, but Debian that chooses that path to accomodate the decision at GNU. |
| 18:58.43 | nand` | In the source line “deb http://example.com squeeze main” what's the ‘squeeze’ part referred to as? (for aptitude search) |
| 18:58.44 | jhutchins_wk | kevlarman: What, buying licenses? |
| 18:59.19 | kevlarman | jhutchins_wk: including the repo with non-free drivers/firmware by default, but defaulting to open source whenever possible |
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| 18:59.42 | jhutchins_wk | kevlarman: http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/philosophy.html |
| 19:00.12 | kevlarman | jhutchins_wk: that's great up until it makes my hardware useless |
| 19:00.21 | jhutchins_wk | kevlarman: http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines |
| 19:00.44 | nkuttler | kevlarman: so either do the necessary steps to get it to run or buy different hardware |
| 19:00.47 | jhutchins_wk | kevlarman: You make your own choices. |
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| 19:01.36 | jhutchins_wk | I don't have any hardware that requires non-free drivers, but I do use non-free software for multimedia. |
| 19:02.08 | kevlarman | jhutchins_wk: i now know how to fix that, that wasn't always the case and i did get burned by it |
| 19:02.26 | kevlarman | jhutchins_wk: and the average user can't figure it out nearly as easily as i did |
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| 19:02.36 | jhutchins_wk | kevlarman: If you feel burned or slighted you should probably run a different distribution. That too is your choice. |
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| 19:03.13 | jhutchins_wk | Our goal should not be to cater to the lowest common denominator, but to produce an excellent system. |
| 19:03.23 | somiaj | jhutchins_wk: yea I don't mind the distinction but it would be nice to have an installer that gives you the option to include non-free from the start to help people don't don't care about the distinction. But be able to turn that option off (and of course have an optional installer without any non-free attached to it) for the people who do care. |
| 19:03.25 | Guest24485 | Is the proper way to enable bootlog, changing /etc/default/bootlogd to "Yes" ? |
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| 19:03.39 | jhutchins_wk | !bootlog |
| 19:03.39 | dpkg | bootlogd is used to record boot messages and is disabled by default. Change /etc/default/bootlogd to "Yes" to populate /var/log/boot . For the reason behind the default, see http://bugs.debian.org/213028 (fixed since sysvinit 2.86.ds1-11). Not a command (as opposed to dmesg). |
| 19:03.42 | Guest24485 | thankjs |
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| 19:04.06 | kevlarman | jhutchins_wk: that was actually largely why i ran arch |
| 19:04.26 | kevlarman | unfortunately they broke things |
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| 19:04.30 | kevlarman | so that's no longer an option |
| 19:04.46 | somiaj | jhutchins_wk: i'm glad debian is anal about the DFSG and keping things seperated and being really clear about this is free vs non-free. I just think there are nicer ways to deal with this during the install for a newer user who may not care as much. |
| 19:04.47 | kevlarman | and debian is about the last sane-ish rolling release left |
| 19:05.04 | nand` | debian is rolling release? |
| 19:05.06 | kesroesweyth | Can someone help me find out why I keep getting "too many authentication failures" when trying to ssh/sftp to my server with any user? I keep having to use the pubkeyauthentication=no option to get in. |
| 19:05.21 | kesroesweyth | I normally authenticate with a key instead of password, btw. |
| 19:05.37 | somiaj | kevlarman: except debian is not a rolling release (wonder what debian cut (or whatever it has been renamed to) will be like) |
| 19:06.09 | kevlarman | somiaj: sid is |
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| 19:06.21 | robokop | sid is not a release |
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| 19:06.29 | kesroesweyth | I'm using pam with faillog enabled, but nothing in faillog -a |
| 19:06.37 | somiaj | kesroesweyth: check /var/log/auth.log -- are you getting some bot abusing things? |
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| 19:07.17 | somiaj | kesroesweyth: wheezy is a future release (But not a release yet) and sid will never be a release. (but yes you can use it as a constnatlly updating system if you so desire, I do). |
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| 19:07.52 | kesroesweyth | somiaj, wrong person :) |
| 19:07.58 | kesroesweyth | well, for the second message |
| 19:08.32 | kreign | so, I appear to have clobbered the libc6 package, and it resulted in dpkg not working (ldconfig isn't in path). libc6 package state is "ii". how might I go about fixing this, any ideas? |
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| 19:09.07 | johnfg | hi guys |
| 19:09.29 | kesroesweyth | somiaj: no bot abusing things that I can see. |
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| 19:09.47 | somiaj | kesroesweyth: silly tab completion...anyways, not sure, just giving pointers of where I would start looking. |
| 19:10.05 | somiaj | kreign: what did you do to cloober it? |
| 19:10.07 | johnfg | If I want to share /home with my vpn, is the right way to put it in /etc/exports: /home 10.8.0.1/24? |
| 19:10.13 | somiaj | kreign: (want to see if you should try to fix or just reinstall) |
| 19:10.50 | johnfg | And then that should allow anyone 10.8.0.6, 10.8.0.10, 10.8.0.14, e.g., to connect to the share? |
| 19:11.29 | allain | if I boot up to single user mode, can I dd from the partion that was used to boot on into another, or will there be a lock of some kind? |
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| 19:12.08 | jacobw | johnfg: are you using nfs? |
| 19:12.15 | b52 | what is a good filesystem to use with an usb flash drive that acts as the root partition ? |
| 19:12.17 | karlpinc | johnfg: Sounds plausable. Some people use samba instead of nfs. I don't know why. Bug-for-bug compatibility with MS always made me shy away. |
| 19:12.41 | allain | I suspect I may need to boot off a cd. |
| 19:12.49 | johnfg | jacobw, Yes, trying :-( |
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| 19:12.58 | somiaj | b52: usb drives are slow, are you sure you want to run the whole os off the flash drive as opposed to looking at a live system? |
| 19:13.04 | karlpinc | allain: There's no lock, but you'll not get a good copy of the fs. |
| 19:13.13 | b52 | yeah i want that :> |
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| 19:13.24 | b52 | done that before for about a year, worked like a charm |
| 19:13.47 | b52 | its for a homeserver its main purpose is to serve files from a sw raid |
| 19:13.54 | allain | I want a bit for bit copy that'll I'll be able to restore from one partition to another |
| 19:14.04 | karlpinc | allain: What are you trying to do? Disk images are fine for one-off copies, but no good for a backup system because backup systems need multiple copies. |
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| 19:14.24 | allain | I'm trying to have a flash back point while I try to upgrade kernels |
| 19:14.37 | allain | I can't tell you how many times I've had to reinstall everything this weekend |
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| 19:15.33 | karlpinc | allain: One way is to use lvm snapshots. Alternately, backup with tar. But for that there's nothing really _wrong_ with disk images, it's just really wasteful of space. (rsync/rsnapshot/etc. is a good way to keep multiple backups and get awesome "compression".) |
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| 19:15.53 | somiaj | allain: I'd just use ext2 then, no need for a full journiling filesystem if this is more just a backup/recovery if it fails as opposed to running the os from it. |
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| 19:16.35 | chris_99 | hi, i've completely broken apt-get, so much so i'm now getting 'dpkg: Breaks: dpkg-dev (< 1.15.8)' is there any way to simply delete the repository apt-get uses |
| 19:16.41 | chris_99 | and re-install everything |
| 19:16.47 | johnfg | Now instead of the error mount.nfs: mount system call failed, I get: mount.nfs: Connection timed out. |
| 19:16.56 | somiaj | chris_99: how did you break apt-get, are you trying to mix stable and testing? |
| 19:17.12 | chris_99 | yeah |
| 19:17.13 | karlpinc | allain: As somiaj points out, you could just put a fs on the partition and use cp to copy everything. That can be done from single user mode just fine. |
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| 19:17.24 | kreign | somiaj, meh should probably just 'reinstall', were that an option. I think it was using backports from the wrong release. |
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| 19:17.31 | kreign | that's what the commented-out sources.list says. |
| 19:18.03 | karlpinc | johnfg: The logs may or may not be your friend. |
| 19:18.06 | somiaj | kreign: well you can boot up off a live system and manually extract the desired packages ontop of your install and see if that fixes things. But if you were mixing releases a reinstall would always be be better. |
| 19:18.33 | kreign | yeah. I wasn't... someone else was. heh |
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| 19:18.41 | karlpinc | allain: cp would be easiest. |
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| 19:19.03 | chris_99 | somiaj, i've only got ssh access unfourtunately |
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| 19:20.08 | kesroesweyth | I set UsePAM to 'no' is sshd_config and restarted sshd, but I still cannot log in due to "too many authentication attempts". |
| 19:20.10 | somiaj | chris_99: you need to reinstall. Do you have another parition you can do the install on? |
| 19:20.16 | nand` | if I fork a process by using & can I “switch” bash over to that process? (eg. to send it some text input)? |
| 19:20.18 | kesroesweyth | Is there a way to "clear" out the record of those attempts? |
| 19:20.24 | johnfg | karlpinc, if anything is being written would it be in syslog? |
| 19:20.36 | karlpinc | johnfg: Yes. I think everything goes there by default. |
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| 19:20.49 | karlpinc | kesroesweyth: It's not a "history" problem. Hang on. |
| 19:21.02 | chris_99 | somiaj, nope, is there no way i could simply delete all available packages apart from dpkg and just get apt-get to re-install |
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| 19:21.23 | valdyn | !reinstall |
| 19:21.24 | dpkg | rumour has it, reinstall is aptitude reinstall '~i' ; or COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install, or dpkg --get-selections > my_packages.txt , then later, dpkg --set-selections < my_packages.txt && apt-get install . See also <aptitude clone>, <debian clone>. |
| 19:21.26 | valdyn | chris_99: ^^ |
| 19:21.34 | johnfg | karlpinc, nothing's showing up there, but I'll check on the nfs-server too. |
| 19:23.14 | nand` | Also, how come &m doesn't seem to work for me? (aptitude) I tried “sudo aptitude install 'ffmpeg&m'” but it doesn't actually change anything. I compiled ffmpeg from source; should I freeze it using = instead? |
| 19:23.26 | karlpinc | kesroesweyth: You probably want something like "ssh -o 'PreferredAuthentications = password' me@foo.example.com", although I don't know what you're trying to do. |
| 19:24.00 | kesroesweyth | karlpinc > pm? |
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| 19:24.30 | karlpinc | kesroesweyth: Thing is, ssh tries various sorts of authentication automatically with every login, keys, passwords, etc. You've done something to reduce the number of attempts, so have to be explicit about what you want the client to do. |
| 19:24.54 | kesroesweyth | karlpinc > i haven't done anything that I can recall. hm.. |
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| 19:24.57 | karlpinc | kesroesweyth: Better to just talk to the channel. I'll go away soon, and someone might know better than me, and others might want to learn. |
| 19:25.02 | kesroesweyth | kk |
| 19:25.22 | CraHan | When I add 'supersede domain-search "example.com";' do /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf, it adds search example.com example.com. to /etc/resolv.conf |
| 19:25.29 | johnfg | karlpinc, check this out plz:http://paste.debian.net/157946/ |
| 19:25.30 | ASSA9 | hey anyone know a extremely lightweight linux that makes a good thinclient os? |
| 19:25.32 | CraHan | why the second example.com. with the trailing dot? |
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| 19:25.55 | kesroesweyth | karlpinc > well all I've done, afaik, is enable PAM to use access.conf rules, and faillog |
| 19:26.08 | chris_99 | even aptitude reinstall '~i' is having problems valdyn , i'm getting 'No solution found within the allotted time. Try harder? [Y/n]' |
| 19:26.09 | karlpinc | kesroesweyth: Why did you turn off pam? |
| 19:26.12 | kesroesweyth | karlpinc > but I told SSH not to use PAM and still had the issue. |
| 19:26.17 | kesroesweyth | karlpinc > to see if that would help |
| 19:26.24 | ASSA9 | anyone? |
| 19:26.35 | ASSA9 | pref debian based |
| 19:26.43 | karlpinc | kesroesweyth: You can run ssh with -v, and also look at the logs on the server side. |
| 19:26.56 | karlpinc | !tell ASSA9 about embdebian |
| 19:27.09 | karlpinc | !tell ASSA9 about emdebian |
| 19:27.10 | kesroesweyth | karlpinc > im connected via ssh only for today. any way to restart with that option and watch? |
| 19:27.26 | karlpinc | ASSA9: But you could just use a minimal debian install. That's probably preferred. |
| 19:27.26 | ASSA9 | whats emdebian? |
| 19:27.46 | ASSA9 | no this is a complete thin client |
| 19:27.49 | johnfg | karlpinc, Does that info tell you anything that might be keeping nfs from allowing me to mount the share? |
| 19:27.51 | karlpinc | kesroesweyth: That's a client-side option. So you'd connect again. |
| 19:28.01 | ASSA9 | whats emdebian? |
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| 19:28.12 | kesroesweyth | karlpinc > how would I restart with that option? |
| 19:28.20 | kesroesweyth | karlpinc > oops |
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| 19:28.30 | kesroesweyth | karlpinc > misread what you said. okay, one sec. |
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| 19:28.40 | somiaj | chris_99: no way that is simple and guarinteed to work. You could try things but after you messed everything up by mixing stable and testing it may not be able to recover. |
| 19:29.01 | chris_99 | ok, thanks for the help anyway |
| 19:29.04 | ASSA9 | karlpinc whats emdebian? (your tell didnt work) |
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| 19:29.43 | ASSA9 | just lightweight embedded? |
| 19:29.57 | blast_hardcheese | I'm beating my head against trying to set the answers to mysql-server-5.1's root password using debconf. Is there any kind of special magic to this? |
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| 19:30.28 | karlpinc | ASSA9: No man pages, everything stripped, etc. Probably not what you want, but maybe. What's wrong with a minimal debian install? |
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| 19:30.51 | ASSA9 | dunno seems a lil heavy |
| 19:31.03 | karlpinc | johnfg: I can't tell. I always poke nfs with a stick to get it to work. Perhaps you're trying to do nfs over ipv6 and there's an issue. But perhaps not. |
| 19:31.11 | elmcrest | good evening. short question. i can't mount any debian iso i've downloaded (businesscard netinstall CD) on mac lion. pls don't hit me, but can't i mount one of them and make a usb drive with disk utility? |
| 19:31.20 | kesroesweyth | karlpinc > now it's letting me in, but not using sftp. same error. hm.. |
| 19:31.25 | karlpinc | ASSA9: How heavy? A base install is maybe 400M. |
| 19:31.34 | johnfg | karlpinc, Not trying on purpose, anyway. |
| 19:31.59 | karlpinc | johnfg: IPV6 is creeping into things. It also causes DNS lookup issues. Dunno. |
| 19:32.19 | kesroesweyth | karlpinc > "server sent disconnect message, type 2 (protocol error), too many authentication failures for user, Could not connect to server" |
| 19:32.21 | karlpinc | kesroesweyth: Use -v on the client and see what it says. |
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| 19:33.09 | karlpinc | kesroesweyth: You need the -o option I sent earlier, for some reason. You could bump the verbosity of the server logs, but that might require a restart of the daemon. Which won't disconnect you, but.... |
| 19:33.18 | kesroesweyth | karlpinc > works on the command line, just getting that error in filezilla I guess |
| 19:33.37 | ASSA9 | note does emdebian come in 64bit? |
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| 19:34.19 | Peaker | is there a recommended usb dongle/pci-card for wifi support that Debian/Linux works well with? |
| 19:34.20 | karlpinc | ASSA9: Probably. See the factoid. How lightweight are you looking for? What's the hardware footprint? You can do a regular debain in 64M of ram, if you try. |
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| 19:34.30 | Peaker | I have multiple usb dongles and they all only semi-work in Debian |
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| 19:35.09 | converge | I wanna add a script to be executed by cron, what's a good place to place the script file.. ? |
| 19:35.17 | Peetz0r | I have a question about debian 3.0 with kernel 2.4 |
| 19:35.33 | karlpinc | converge: /usr/local/lib/ See the <fhs> factoid. |
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| 19:35.58 | karlpinc | Peetz0r: That's a bit out of date. But ask away, you're in the right place. |
| 19:36.09 | karlpinc | !tell converge about fhs |
| 19:36.29 | ASSA9 | the thin client is kinda overkill but thats just the way i roll (core2duo, 512mb x 4, 160gbsata, gbETH) |
| 19:36.46 | ASSA9 | just some sht i had laying around |
| 19:37.01 | Peetz0r | karlpinc: had to check that first. But I'm tryoing to get a 90's laptop working :p |
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| 19:37.24 | Peetz0r | I have a pcmcia wifi adapter, but when I insert it, lspci breaks |
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| 19:37.41 | Peetz0r | vendor 0x14e4 device 0x4320 |
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| 19:37.50 | karlpinc | ASSA9: Just do a minimal install and add xserver-xorg. |
| 19:37.57 | Peetz0r | kernel 2.4.18-bf2.4 |
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| 19:38.18 | Peetz0r | "lspci: Unable to read 64 bytes of configuration space." |
| 19:38.34 | ASSA9 | i guess |
| 19:38.54 | karlpinc | ASSA9: What's gbETH? |
| 19:39.02 | karlpinc | ASSA9: Ah, net. |
| 19:39.04 | ASSA9 | ETH0 |
| 19:39.08 | ASSA9 | yeah |
| 19:40.05 | ASSA9 | yeah i was getting sick of the latency on wifi so i tossed some parts togather and put it at my desk |
| 19:40.29 | karlpinc | ASSA9: There's no way you want to mess with emdebian. And you'll probably use <500M disk, and however much ram will work out fine.; |
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| 19:41.02 | ASSA9 | now i should be able to connect to my esxi5 servers without the latency |
| 19:41.03 | karlpinc | ASSA9: If you really care, you can go diskless and nfsmount /, but why? |
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| 19:41.55 | ASSA9 | yeah i thought about booting off the nic but decided i want something underneath |
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| 19:43.53 | karlpinc | ASSA9: /usr/bin/X :0 vt8 -query esxi5.example.com Assuming they've got dms that are listening. |
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| 19:44.38 | ASSA9 | no its not listening yet i havent bothered with that |
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| 19:44.46 | ASSA9 | this is just in my house |
| 19:44.57 | ASSA9 | :) |
| 19:45.11 | ASSA9 | my home office ;) |
| 19:45.12 | karlpinc | ASSA9: You could always ssh -Y, but then you don't get a desktop. |
| 19:45.38 | karlpinc | ASSA9: (But start with "ssh -Y foo.example.com xeyes" to test.) |
| 19:46.16 | engla | does anyone know a linux util for drawing causal loop diagrams? |
| 19:46.24 | ASSA9 | k |
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| 19:46.43 | karlpinc | ASSA9: You either need to make them listen or use X11vnc, or something to export the desktop. And if the latter you'll want something like xfce installed to get a local desktop. |
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| 19:46.59 | karlpinc | ASSA9: (I like making them listen.) |
| 19:47.28 | karlpinc | engla: dia is a generic diagrammer. You might want to use debtags to search. |
| 19:47.32 | karlpinc | !tell engla about debtags |
| 19:47.34 | ASSA9 | my servers are core2quad, 8gb, 500gb-raid1+0 |
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| 19:47.46 | Umeaboy | Hi! |
| 19:47.49 | ASSA9 | well 500 x 2 |
| 19:47.55 | Umeaboy | Can you tell me what tofrodos actually does? |
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| 19:48.31 | ASSA9 | yeah i been using vm client soft |
| 19:48.33 | karlpinc | ASSA9: I have a PIII with about 500M ram on my desktop as a thin client. |
| 19:48.56 | ASSA9 | hehe yeah i got one of those kickin round somewhere |
| 19:48.58 | karlpinc | ASSA9: No fan, which is nice. |
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| 19:49.33 | ASSA9 | yeah i gotta install a fan in the back of my desk |
| 19:49.40 | karlpinc | ASSA9: Although I'm sure one of those kool-something boxes would be better in terms of energy use. I just keep thinking I'll drop more cards in and add more heads and never do. |
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| 19:50.08 | ASSA9 | it gets hot as hell in the desk cubby |
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| 19:50.26 | ASSA9 | yeah those little itx boxes |
| 19:50.46 | zykotick9 | Umeaboy: it changes the way new lines are determined, MS uses a character to determine new lines gnu/linux does not (actually "edit" from MS terminal creates proper text files) |
| 19:51.15 | ASSA9 | jeeze you should see my printers lol |
| 19:51.34 | Umeaboy | zykotick9: So, is that really needed in every dist? |
| 19:52.02 | zykotick9 | Umeaboy: not if you don't need to convert MS text to "unix" text... |
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| 19:52.31 | Umeaboy | I'm porting the A B E-guide to my dist. |
| 19:52.37 | ASSA9 | got a dyesub, bubbjet, inkjet, colorlaser, b&wlaser, fax/aio, fbscanner/bbj, and a photocopier |
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| 19:52.43 | Umeaboy | A B E means Android Build Environment. |
| 19:52.52 | Umeaboy | So that's why I'm asking. |
| 19:53.01 | Umeaboy | http://source.android.com/source/initializing.html |
| 19:53.11 | Umeaboy | This guide is made for Ubuntu/Debian. |
| 19:53.24 | Umeaboy | And I don't use niether right now. |
| 19:53.41 | Umeaboy | I have been using Ubuntu b4 thou. |
| 19:53.56 | engla | karlpinc: thanks! |
| 19:54.29 | ASSA9 | got 4routers, 1 switch, 1modem, 1hub, 1terminalserver, 2ups |
| 19:54.49 | ASSA9 | (this is just the sht i have running) |
| 19:55.12 | ASSA9 | ohh and a voip phone i overkill alot |
| 19:55.49 | DrMushroom | I believe Debian is slightly better than ubuntu |
| 19:55.51 | Sebby | how can i make apt-get to automaticly install the dependences for a program if it detects it`s missing |
| 19:55.53 | Sebby | ? |
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| 19:56.28 | ompaul | it does dependencies |
| 19:56.33 | ASSA9 | --fix-missing |
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| 20:05.45 | GorillaPatch | I am running into a problem downloading a source package from backports for squeeze: I am running: apt-get -t squeeze-backports source strongswan |
| 20:06.03 | GorillaPatch | it aborts with with: E: Ignore unavailable version '4.5.2-1.1~bpo60+1' of package 'strongswan' |
| 20:06.03 | GorillaPatch | E: Unable to find a source package for strongswan |
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| 20:08.06 | ompaul | GorillaPatch: have you done this? aptitude search '?origin(Debian Backports)' |
| 20:08.45 | jhutchins_wk | Shouldn't the backport source be the testing source? |
| 20:09.02 | GorillaPatch | ompaul: the strong swan package is listed |
| 20:09.24 | ompaul | ,strongswan |
| 20:09.55 | GorillaPatch | with an i for the important packages, because I compiled and installed the standard strong swan package. However there is a bug fixed in the newer version, so I would like to use that. |
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| 20:10.55 | jhutchins_wk | GorillaPatch: A bug fix should be patched back to the stable version. |
| 20:10.59 | kallisti | how can I configure autofs/automount to automount USB media? |
| 20:11.11 | jhutchins_wk | GorillaPatch: Have you checked the BTS to see if this has been done? |
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| 20:11.42 | GorillaPatch | BTS? It is this bug: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=600996 |
| 20:11.56 | jhutchins_wk | GorillaPatch: Backports is for new features, bugfixes get patched to the relased packages. |
| 20:12.04 | chris_99 | does anyone know where the tree that apt-get uses is stored |
| 20:12.04 | bastidrazor | ompaul: how can i see you #ubuntu but i can't tab complete your name there :| |
| 20:12.20 | ompaul | bastidrazor: cos I'm not there |
| 20:12.23 | ompaul | look again |
| 20:12.37 | bastidrazor | i have goofed some irssi settings then. |
| 20:13.00 | GorillaPatch | jhutchins_wk: Thanks for your insight, however I have no clue how the workflow for bug fixing and back porting in debian is. |
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| 20:13.47 | jhutchins_wk | According to that report the bug has been fixed in the current stable version (if I read it correctly). |
| 20:14.13 | jhutchins_wk | ,versions strongswan |
| 20:14.14 | judd | Package: strongswan on i386 -- lenny: 4.2.4-5+lenny3; lenny-security: 4.2.4-5+lenny3; lenny-backports: 4.4.1-5~bpo50+1; squeeze: 4.4.1-5.1; squeeze-backports: 4.5.2-1.1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 4.5.2-1.2; sid: 4.5.2-1.3 |
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| 20:15.00 | jhutchins_wk | Ok, I guess I don't understand the system, I thought bugs were not supposed to be closed if they applied to stable. |
| 20:15.24 | GorillaPatch | so the squeeze version is 4.4.1 which is still affected, however the back ports version works. |
| 20:15.27 | nand` | Have attempts been made to reverse engineer RAR 3? Some archives just love to fail decompressing and using unrar-nonfree is not an aoption |
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| 20:15.47 | jhutchins_wk | GorillaPatch: So it seems. I guess I don't understand the system yet. |
| 20:16.16 | GorillaPatch | because I was using a custom build from the sources packages and installed it with dpkg -i I now need the source for the newer version to rebuilt that, too |
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| 20:17.42 | codepal | I'm trying to recreate my casper-rw squashfs |
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| 20:18.02 | codepal | because I want to change the size |
| 20:18.04 | jhutchins_wk | GorillaPatch: The backport is (again assuming I understand the system, which proves to be a weak assumption) built from testing source, so you should be able to get that, possibly from packages.debian.org. |
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| 20:18.41 | Trewas | nand`: why the nonfree version is not an option? and there would be no need to reverse-engineer the format because the decompressor comes with source, just not with a free license |
| 20:18.43 | karlpinc | jhutchins_wk: My understanding is that they close the bugs when they're fixed in any release. This makes it really hard to tell what works in stable. (I filed a bug about this. :-) |
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| 20:18.58 | POVaddct | how can i check if a process is running with realtime priority? does "grep realtime /proc/PID/limits" show the actual prio or only the upper limit of it? |
| 20:19.02 | GorillaPatch | jhutchins_wk: OK, so I will try that. Do not want to end in dependency hell |
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| 20:19.32 | karlpinc | GorillaPatch: Backports is the way to go. (Even self-backporting, but it should not come to that.) |
| 20:20.05 | codepal | is this possible by just using mksquashfs? |
| 20:20.06 | GorillaPatch | Hmm, seems I found a rough edge here |
| 20:20.07 | nand` | Trewas: Non-free is not an option because I do not wish to make my OS not free just for RAR archives, something that I can live without (I'm mainly asking out of curiosity, not necessity) |
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| 20:22.14 | jhutchins_wk | karlpinc: His issue is finding source for the backported version. |
| 20:22.27 | jhutchins_wk | karlpinc: I believe it's correct to get that from testing. |
| 20:23.16 | Trewas | nand`: given for what purpose rar is mostly used I doubt many of its users care about slightly non-free license :) |
| 20:23.24 | klync | nand`: i'm no expert, but i think the rar format is encumbered |
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| 20:26.43 | bastidrazor | w |
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| 20:27.35 | klync | nand`: indeed: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAR_%28file_format%29 |
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| 20:28.01 | nand` | klync: I figured something like this would have been the case; it's a damn shame |
| 20:28.45 | nand` | The RAR algorithm should be made FOSS in general, sometimes it compresses significantly better than any other archiver I've seen (not counting the 8paq* record holders that take a few hours to compress it) |
| 20:28.46 | klync | nand`: 'tis ... but that's why i <3 dfsg ... any other distro, and you'd have been using a "free" version until you were hooked and the alternative were driven from the market |
| 20:29.21 | klync | nand`: well, that's up to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugene_Roshal to decide |
| 20:29.37 | engla | nand`: better than xz? |
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| 20:30.12 | jelly-home | nand`: why would he made public an algo that works well, and lose any competitive advantage? |
| 20:30.44 | jelly-home | make* |
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| 20:31.32 | nand` | engla: I can give it a test if you want |
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| 20:32.13 | engla | nand`: there's probably benchmarks if I research it. Anyway, xz is slow |
| 20:32.15 | Iridos | you could phone the guy and say "hey, I'll give you 2 million bucks if you make that algorythm free" |
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| 20:32.26 | nand` | For reference, the file I was mentioning was a ~100 MB .3dlut, 7-zip bringing it down to about 40 MB and WinRAR bringing it down to a whopping 3 MB. (The difference here being that I can upload the .rar version in a sane timeframe while the 7-zip version would pose a tremendous hindrance to that) |
| 20:34.11 | jelly-home | nand`: tried lrzip, just for fun? |
| 20:34.36 | jelly-home | nand`: is that a publicly available file? |
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| 20:34.59 | nand` | jelly-home: I might still have the .rar uploaded somewhere but I can only imagine it won't decompress with unrar-free |
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| 20:35.17 | jelly-home | ,versions rar |
| 20:35.18 | judd | Package: rar on i386 -- lenny/non-free: 1:3.8b3-1; squeeze/non-free: 2:3.9.3-1; sid/non-free: 2:4.0.b3-1; wheezy/non-free: 2:4.0.b3-1 |
| 20:35.30 | jelly-home | nand`: we can haz shareware. |
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| 20:36.07 | jhutchins_wk | nand`: Talk to the people who own the license for the algorythm. |
| 20:36.17 | jelly-home | and if my local winrar vendor had a clue, I'd have given them $$$ for the license a long time ago :-| |
| 20:36.53 | nand` | jelly-home: the .xz version looks about the same size as .7z :) |
| 20:36.56 | valdyn | nand`: you can probably replicate such extreme compression behaviour by applying the weaker algorithm twice |
| 20:37.30 | jelly-home | nand`: xz schmixz, lrzip or bust! |
| 20:37.42 | nand` | valdyn: same size after the second pass :P |
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| 20:38.16 | kevlarman | valdyn: decent compression algorithms don't compress from multiple passes |
| 20:38.31 | jhutchins_wk | Proprietary vendors often don't want their software getting into the hands of the open source community who they see as "hackers" out to steal their property. |
| 20:38.32 | kevlarman | nand`: you've tried lzma -9? |
| 20:38.49 | engla | kevlarman: fast ones like LZO do, but they are special cases for speed |
| 20:38.49 | valdyn | kevlarman: try a huge file that consists only of zeros, then tell me again |
| 20:39.06 | engla | inst |
| 20:39.17 | jelly-home | jhutchins_wk: and they're right to do that! |
| 20:39.27 | jhutchins_wk | There are people who think that using open source software is exactly the same as cracking bank accounts. |
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| 20:39.47 | kevlarman | valdyn: i've had an 800mb file compress to 4kb with lzma |
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| 20:40.18 | kevlarman | valdyn: i doubt 0s are any more compressible than that |
| 20:40.18 | kevlarman | err any less |
| 20:40.23 | valdyn | kevlarman: sure they are if I do it myself |
| 20:40.23 | kevlarman | (it was very repetitive text) |
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| 20:40.44 | nand` | kevlarman: same size :) |
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| 20:41.14 | kevlarman | something fishy is going on here |
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| 20:41.28 | kevlarman | rar shouldn't be doing an order of magnitude better than lzma |
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| 20:42.08 | kevlarman | nand`: btw i meant lzma on the raw file, not the compressed |
| 20:42.16 | nand` | kevlarman: It's a mostly repetitive file, contents is a bunch of enumerations from 0-255, with minor differences along the way |
| 20:42.20 | nand` | kevlarman: yes, obviously |
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| 20:42.47 | nand` | “xz --format=lzma -9 --keep d65old.3dlut” looks correct? |
| 20:43.12 | kevlarman | yeah |
| 20:43.40 | kevlarman | like i've said, i had lzma take a highly repetitive file from 800mb to 4kb |
| 20:43.41 | nand` | kevlarman: actually it was about 34 MB for both xz and lzma -9, so that's slightly less |
| 20:43.46 | nand` | still the same order of magnitude |
| 20:44.17 | nand` | (the .rar numbers were definitely below <10mb, but I distinctly remember them being something like 3.4 mb) |
| 20:44.44 | valdyn | ok, 100M zeros -> 51M file.rar -> 328 bytes file.rar.rar |
| 20:44.47 | engla | nand`: repeat it to prove it :-) |
| 20:45.08 | engla | valdyn: 51M can't be right. 51K ? |
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| 20:45.20 | valdyn | engla: yes, you are right |
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| 20:46.56 | nand` | engla: I don't have the WinRAR compressor anymore unfortunately :P |
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| 20:47.20 | valdyn | similar with p7zip, just 100M -> 14k -> 556, so p7zip has one advantage there |
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| 20:49.09 | jelly-home | valdyn: what was your file name? |
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| 20:49.37 | jelly-home | nand`: rar ought to be pretty much the same as WinRAR in terms of algos. |
| 20:49.40 | valdyn | jelly-home: "file" |
| 20:50.04 | jelly-home | valdyn: 100MB or 100MiB? |
| 20:50.23 | valdyn | jelly-home: whatever an M is in dd |
| 20:50.42 | frostschutz | MiB |
| 20:50.43 | valdyn | jelly-home: dd if.....bs=1M count=100 |
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| 20:51.08 | jelly-home | I'll do a dd if=/dev/zero of=file bs=1M seek=100 count=0 instead |
| 20:52.47 | jelly-home | meh. 7 seconds, -rw-r--r-- 1 jelly users 15661 Feb 28 21:52 file.lrz |
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| 20:53.21 | valdyn | anyway, in the firstrun rar looses badly, both vs lzma and vs p7zip defaults ;) |
| 20:53.25 | jelly-home | -rw-r--r-- 1 jelly users 548 Feb 28 21:53 file.lrz.foo.lrz |
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| 20:53.59 | jelly-home | -rw-r--r-- 1 jelly users 51276 Feb 28 21:53 file.rar |
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| 20:54.12 | Trewas | that's not terribly relevant test for compression performance :) |
| 20:54.31 | jelly-home | Trewas: the same can be said of pretty much any benchmark! |
| 20:55.08 | jelly-home | -rw-r--r-- 1 jelly users 334 Feb 28 21:54 file.rar.foo.rar |
| 20:55.11 | jelly-home | \o/ |
| 20:55.20 | valdyn | -rw-r--r-- 1 valdyn valdyn 113 Feb 28 21:43 file.bz2 |
| 20:55.26 | valdyn | and we have a winner!1! |
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| 20:55.31 | jelly-home | yeah, but it's sooo slow |
| 20:56.12 | jelly-home | ok, maybe it's not |
| 20:56.14 | frostschutz | -rw-r--r-- 1 frost frost 48 Feb 28 21:55 file.sh |
| 20:56.21 | valdyn | frostschutz: damn you |
| 20:56.22 | frostschutz | just kidding though |
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| 20:56.41 | jelly-home | frostschutz: call it .shar ! |
| 20:56.58 | jelly-home | remembers .shar |
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| 21:00.16 | frostschutz | 1422 file.arj |
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| 21:02.15 | nand` | time to run paq8o10t on this file |
| 21:02.21 | nand` | I'm genuinely curious to see how large it will be :P |
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| 21:06.38 | nand` | 4% done |
| 21:07.27 | nsadmin | yay! err I mean boo! wait, what do I mean?! |
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| 21:14.03 | b52 | http://paste.pocoo.org/show/558269/ any idea? |
| 21:14.29 | b52 | i go a lot of these |
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| 21:16.16 | jelly-home | b52: which kernel are you using? uname -a |
| 21:16.24 | b52 | Linux quantum 2.6.32-5-amd64 #1 SMP Mon Jan 16 16:22:28 UTC 2012 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 21:17.02 | jelly-home | b52: does this happen immediately after boot? |
| 21:19.02 | Umeaboy | zykotick9: Could it be useful to add mingw32-gcc-c++ as a dep to the list? |
| 21:19.02 | Umeaboy | Just asking. |
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| 21:19.55 | b52 | jelly-home: yeah |
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| 21:20.01 | jelly-home | b52: well, lots of ACPI related garbage can mean either a bug in ACPI BIOS, or a difference in how Linux and a more known OS use ACPI. You could try the backported kernel and see if it goes away. |
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| 21:20.30 | jelly-home | ,kernels |
| 21:20.31 | judd | Available kernel versions are: sid: 3.2.0-1-686-pae (3.2.6-1); wheezy: 3.2.0-1-686-pae (3.2.6-1); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.1-686-pae (3.2.4-1~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-41); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-35~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-27) |
| 21:20.36 | jelly-home | !tell b52 about bdo |
| 21:20.38 | gnarface | b52: its worth noting that these are the types of hardware glitches that are often shuffled under the table with updated BIOS firmware... |
| 21:20.45 | b52 | i try rebooting with acpi=off first |
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| 21:21.11 | ceil210 | hello, i am trying to get vba working |
| 21:21.26 | ceil210 | i ran vbaexpress |
| 21:21.27 | jhutchins_wk | Some manufacturers do a very bad job of implementing ACPI. Sometimes they fix it with proprietary drivers/control packages, sometimes windows is broken in such a way as to work around it. |
| 21:21.29 | jelly-home | b52: if this is a laptop, disabling acpi completely may have other visible consequences like shorter battery life or fans misbehaving |
| 21:21.30 | nsadmin | , info vba |
| 21:21.31 | judd | No package named 'vba' was found in squeeze/i386. |
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| 21:21.46 | nsadmin | ceil210, what's vba? |
| 21:21.47 | b52 | jelly-home: nop its a mitx atom board used as homeserver |
| 21:21.52 | ceil210 | vbaexpress works, but it runs at 200% |
| 21:22.03 | ceil210 | vba is Visual Boy Advance |
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| 21:22.24 | nsadmin | a game boy thing? |
| 21:22.29 | ceil210 | yes'r |
| 21:22.34 | jelly-home | b52: sounds like a good candidate to look for possible bios updates |
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| 21:23.02 | b52 | i just read that at 0.000 the kernel states a bios bug Oo |
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| 21:23.16 | ceil210 | vbaexpress runs, but 200% normal speed is too much |
| 21:23.17 | jhutchins_wk | b52: The intel boards are notorious for needing BIOS updates. |
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| 21:23.37 | ceil210 | and i cnat find the package for vba-m |
| 21:23.46 | ceil210 | im at a loss |
| 21:23.47 | ceil210 | :( |
| 21:23.53 | GorillaPatch | exit |
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| 21:23.58 | b52 | http://paste.pocoo.org/show/558275/ |
| 21:24.01 | nsadmin | you could try apt-cache search vba |
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| 21:24.06 | jhutchins_wk | ceil210: What's the support option for vbaexpress? |
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| 21:24.51 | ceil210 | jhutchins_wk: I don't know; nsadmin: i have tried that |
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| 21:25.00 | ceil210 | i can run vba and gvba |
| 21:25.04 | ceil210 | but they have no menus |
| 21:25.14 | ceil210 | so i cant configure keys and such |
| 21:25.40 | gnarface | ~$ apt-cache search ^vba |
| 21:25.40 | gnarface | vbackup - A modular backup utility |
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| 21:26.11 | jhutchins_wk | ceil210: http://vba.ngemu.com/images/menu/supportus-a.gif |
| 21:26.28 | ceil210 | vbaexpress - Front-End for VisualBoyAdvance |
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| 21:26.52 | ceil210 | that is what i was using; the speed was way jacked up, though |
| 21:26.54 | gnarface | bingo |
| 21:27.00 | gnarface | ceil210: there's a package |
| 21:27.09 | gnarface | ,versions visualboyadvance |
| 21:27.10 | judd | Package: visualboyadvance on i386 -- lenny: 1.8.0-4; sid: 1.8.0.dfsg-0.1; squeeze: 1.8.0.dfsg-0.1; wheezy: 1.8.0.dfsg-0.1 |
| 21:27.15 | gnarface | ,versions visualboyadvance-gtk |
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| 21:27.20 | gnarface | enjoy! |
| 21:27.22 | gnarface | !next |
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| 21:28.01 | ceil210 | thank you very much |
| 21:28.06 | ceil210 | ill come back if it doesnt owrk |
| 21:28.08 | ceil210 | ^___^ |
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| 21:29.09 | gnarface | really shouldn't have sold his original game boy and his copy of 4-player world cup soccer |
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| 21:30.56 | boudiccas | ,versions kmymoney |
| 21:30.57 | judd | Package: kmymoney on i386 -- squeeze: 3.98.1-2; sid: 4.6.2-1; wheezy: 4.6.2-1 |
| 21:31.23 | boudiccas | ,backports kmymoney |
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| 21:31.41 | nsadmin | that would be reported in versions |
| 21:31.45 | jhutchins_wk | boudiccas: ,versions will show backports if available. |
| 21:31.46 | boudiccas | hm, i guess its not in backports then |
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| 21:32.12 | nsadmin | nope, looks like not. you could try backporting it |
| 21:32.14 | allain | How can I backup an ext3 partition onto an ext2 one from single user mode? |
| 21:32.18 | jhutchins_wk | boudiccas: Looks like a pretty big jump, maybe it should bbe. |
| 21:32.36 | jhutchins_wk | boudiccas: You can also request a backport on the backports list. |
| 21:32.37 | boudiccas | jhutchins; yes, i realised that after i'd done it |
| 21:32.41 | jhutchins_wk | ,maint kmymoney |
| 21:32.42 | judd | Package kmymoney version 4.6.2-1 was uploaded by Mark Purcell on 2012-02-12, last changed by Mark Purcell and maintained by Debian KDE Extras Team. |
| 21:33.12 | nsadmin | , maint python |
| 21:33.13 | judd | Package python version 2.7.2-10 was uploaded by Piotr Ozarowski on 2012-01-24, last changed by Matthias Klose and maintained by Matthias Klose. |
| 21:33.13 | boudiccas | jhutchins; the backport list? |
| 21:33.17 | M4dH4tt3r | 7hrs to go yeah!! |
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| 21:33.25 | jhutchins_wk | KDE packages for squeeze should probably be 4.x if possible. |
| 21:33.28 | M4dH4tt3r | then deb will be downloaded |
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| 21:33.56 | nsadmin | M4dH4tt3r, why wait? |
| 21:34.14 | M4dH4tt3r | what u mean? |
| 21:34.23 | M4dH4tt3r | network install? |
| 21:34.23 | jhutchins_wk | boudiccas: See http://backports.debian.org for info about the list and requesting backports. |
| 21:34.43 | boudiccas | jhutchins; thanks |
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| 21:36.04 | M4dH4tt3r | would download debian faster but used up all his airmiles on dsl so left with a cdma connection for downloading |
| 21:36.35 | nsadmin | oh I see... |
| 21:37.15 | M4dH4tt3r | s wife would kill him if he went over as they charge $5 per gb overage |
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| 21:38.23 | M4dH4tt3r | hi derp |
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| 21:40.24 | ceil210 | Sorry, I am back. VBA works fine now, but it is running at 200% speed... help :( |
| 21:40.45 | jelly-home | is this VBA thing available in Debian? |
| 21:40.53 | ceil210 | yes |
| 21:40.58 | ceil210 | should be |
| 21:40.59 | jelly-home | what's the package name? |
| 21:41.08 | ceil210 | sec |
| 21:41.22 | ceil210 | visualboyadvance |
| 21:41.22 | ceil210 | and |
| 21:41.29 | ceil210 | visualboyadvance-gtk |
| 21:41.33 | jelly-home | ,versions visualboyadvance-gtk |
| 21:41.34 | judd | Package: visualboyadvance-gtk on i386 -- lenny: 1.8.0-4; sid: 1.8.0.dfsg-0.1; squeeze: 1.8.0.dfsg-0.1; wheezy: 1.8.0.dfsg-0.1 |
| 21:41.48 | ceil210 | i have the most recent ver |
| 21:41.58 | prometoys | hi, I can't use X over ssh with one host (debian squeeze) |
| 21:42.13 | prometoys | I checked ssh_config and sshd_config and installed xauth |
| 21:42.18 | jelly-home | ceil210: and is there a free image somewhere to test it with? |
| 21:42.31 | ceil210 | dont know |
| 21:42.39 | prometoys | any other idea? with another host I have no problem to use X over ssh |
| 21:43.40 | jhutchins_wk | prometoys: What error do you get? |
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| 21:44.16 | prometoys | jhutchins_wk, e.g with the toll display: display: unable to open X server `' @ error/display.c/DisplayImageCommand/424. |
| 21:44.19 | bitcycle | Hey all. Would someone be able to tell me how to remap the next/prev window shortcut to left/right arrows in my screenrc? |
| 21:44.35 | prometoys | jhutchins_wk, and $DISPLAY is empty |
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| 21:45.20 | jhutchins_wk | prometoys: Does it make any difference if you use ssh -X remotehost? |
| 21:45.36 | prometoys | jhutchins_wk, no |
| 21:45.49 | jhutchins_wk | prometoys: Is it a direct connection? |
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| 21:46.37 | prometoys | jhutchins_wk, at the moment via cisco vpn, but i have the problem too, when I am at the same local network |
| 21:46.55 | boudiccas | jhutchins; perhaps i'm blind but i can t see on the backports site where i should ask for a program to be backported, can you advise please? |
| 21:47.21 | prometoys | but even the vpn connection is transparent, so in practice a direct connection |
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| 21:50.20 | chaser12 | for serving as a network drive… via a debian server box… what is the best format for the partition? |
| 21:50.40 | chaser12 | it will largely be used for apples OSX and linux |
| 21:51.13 | chaser12 | so it just feels wrong using fat or exfat for formatting |
| 21:51.16 | boudiccas | chaser12; ext 3 for everything in my book |
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| 21:52.46 | cesaro | how do you guys feel about linux swapiness on a desktop. |
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| 21:53.20 | Innocentus | they should implement some smart algorithm whc swapiness on the fly |
| 21:53.27 | Innocentus | *which optimizes |
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| 21:54.05 | Innocentus | I got a question: Is it allowed to host sites of own customers on a VServer? |
| 21:54.22 | cesaro | i dont really understand. |
| 21:54.36 | lstarnes | Innocentus: it would depend on the rules of the hosting provider, I think |
| 21:54.44 | boudiccas | Innocentus; who's going to stop you? :) |
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| 21:55.06 | Innocentus | boudiccas: the provider |
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| 21:56.01 | kba | they couldn't seem to help me in #mysql, so how would I do a complete reinstall of mysql? I tried purge, install, but it seems like something is still left on the system |
| 21:56.06 | Innocentus | cesaro: I got customers for whom I make websites and I would like to host them on a VServer |
| 21:56.18 | kba | Because when I do so, I can't connect to MySQL, I get an 'Acces denied' with root, just after the reinstallation |
| 21:56.24 | kba | any suggestions on what to do? |
| 21:56.35 | cesaro | can you confirm the config files are blown away when you purge it. |
| 21:56.52 | kba | no /etc/mysql folder exists |
| 21:56.59 | boudiccas | kba; do you use 'autoremove' for it? |
| 21:57.06 | kba | No, should I? |
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| 21:58.43 | boudiccas | kba; it wouldn't hurt to try it after you 'purge' |
| 21:59.23 | kba | Yes! Finally, it asked me for a new root password, thank you |
| 22:00.24 | kba | Unfortunately, it still doesn't allow the password I set |
| 22:00.36 | kba | Hm, I get this when attempting to install mysql |
| 22:00.42 | kba | Errors were encountered while processing: mysql-server-5.1 |
| 22:00.58 | kba | it doesn't come with any suggestions on how to handle that, any ideas? |
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| 22:02.01 | Innocentus | any ideas? |
| 22:02.14 | Innocentus | I mean, when the provider doesn't disallow it explicitely, it should be allowed, right? |
| 22:02.43 | gcmalloc | someone has a favourite rss reader ? |
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| 22:05.01 | Innocentus | grr |
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| 22:05.14 | boudiccas | how do you request a program be included in the backports repo and be backported, please |
| 22:05.18 | boudiccas | ? |
| 22:06.25 | nand` | gcmalloc: I use firefox personally |
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| 22:09.09 | p01s0nb1t | boudiccas: send an email to debian-backports@ ? like in this example: http://lists.debian.org/debian-backports/2012/02/msg00047.html |
| 22:09.54 | p01s0nb1t | "This list is not moderated; posting is allowed by anyone." so you do not need to subscribe first |
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| 22:10.59 | jhutchins_wk | boudiccas: Sorry, I thought that was obvious on the bdo page. |
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| 22:19.51 | zoidby | hi, i’ve set my locales like LC_MESSAGES in /etc/default/locale. but they are only set in X while the VTs locales are POSIX |
| 22:19.51 | guglielmo | ciao |
| 22:19.55 | guglielmo | !list |
| 22:19.55 | dpkg | guglielmo: È possibile di scaricare un sacco di software libero puntando il tuo browser a http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-6.0.4-amd64-i386-netinst.iso ! |
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| 22:20.43 | boudiccas | p01s0nb1t; thanks for that template, email now sent requesting it |
| 22:21.14 | kba | how come when I try to remove mysql-server, it attempts to start it? |
| 22:21.30 | kba | it's misconfigured, damaged, terrible and almost dead. it can't be started |
| 22:21.37 | kba | how do I just.. *remove* it? |
| 22:21.59 | boudiccas | kba; sudo apt-get remove mysql |
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| 22:22.17 | boudiccas | kba; then autoremove and then purge |
| 22:22.56 | kba | boudiccas: http://paste.debian.net/157968/ |
| 22:22.56 | boudiccas | kba; and then clear/clean your apt cache so that you're not installing the version you've just got rid of |
| 22:22.58 | kba | that's what I do |
| 22:23.05 | kba | I don't get so far, it won't let me remove |
| 22:23.31 | jhutchins_wk | kba: Did we mention "specific error messages required"? |
| 22:24.27 | kba | jhutchins_wk: I don't know which part of the apt-get remove is important, if that's what you're asking for |
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| 22:24.58 | kba | other than the fact that it says "Setting up mysql-server-5.1 (5.1.49-3) ..." when I'm doing a remove |
| 22:25.12 | jhutchins_wk | kba: You could pastebin the whole transaction. |
| 22:25.28 | jhutchins_wk | kba: "setting up" is not "starting". |
| 22:26.24 | kba | I just did pastebin the whole transaction, jhutchins_wk |
| 22:26.56 | jhutchins_wk | kba: Sorry, multitasking. |
| 22:26.58 | boudiccas | kba; just a minor thought, if you're already 'root' then you don't need sudo |
| 22:27.24 | kba | boudiccas: yes I know, old habbit, I'm usually new root, but this is a completely new installation, so haven't come around to create any users |
| 22:27.31 | kba | I'm usually *not* root* |
| 22:28.29 | kba | Any suggestions on how to resolve this? |
| 22:28.47 | jhutchins_wk | kba: Possibly reinstall it, then remove it. It looks like you have a bad package. |
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| 22:28.52 | jhutchins_wk | kba: Which release is this on? |
| 22:29.17 | jhutchins_wk | is ol for a while. |
| 22:29.36 | Justin | kba: have you tried removing mysql-server-5.1 yet? you are telling it to remove a metapackage, which is not the same thing |
| 22:29.52 | kba | Linux version 2.6.32-5-vserver-amd64 (Debian 2.6.32-41) (ben@decadent.org.uk) (gcc version 4.3.5 (Debian 4.3.5-4) ) #1 SMP Mon Jan 16 19:31:31 UTC 2012 |
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| 22:30.24 | kba | Justin: wow, that worked. Now it's gone, at least. |
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| 22:31.20 | kba | damn it, I still get some weird problems. |
| 22:31.36 | kba | it just got removed, so I tried to do "apt-get install mysql-server" again, and I get /etc/init.d/mysql: WARNING: /etc/mysql/my.cnf cannot be read. See README.Debian.gz ... (warning). |
| 22:31.59 | Justin | kba: apt-get remove --purge mysql-server mysql-server-5.1 |
| 22:32.01 | Justin | kba: then install it |
| 22:32.28 | Justin | and also it might not hurt to run dpkg --purge mysql-server mysql-server-5.1 before reinstalling just to be sure |
| 22:32.39 | ghoti | er ... /window 53 |
| 22:32.41 | ghoti | wups |
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| 22:32.51 | ghoti | too many windows |
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| 22:36.46 | kba | During installation, I get this |
| 22:36.56 | kba | "Unable to set password for the MySQL "root" user. An error occurred while setting the password for the MySQL administrative user. This may have happened because the account already has a password, or because of a communication problem with the MySQL server. You should check the account's password after the package installation. Please read the /usr/share/doc/mysql-server-5.1/README.Debian file for more information." |
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| 22:39.38 | kba | But I can't seem to find anything of relevance in README.Debian |
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| 22:41.03 | kba | OK, I think I've resolved it by uninstalling again, purging, and finally doing deluser mysql |
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| 22:41.26 | Iridos | well, it's no big deal... except you might have some databases around |
| 22:41.30 | infinity0 | start-stop-daemon --exec "my_prog" is failing because the actual exec is /usr/bin/python |
| 22:41.31 | Iridos | dpkg, i forgot mysql root password |
| 22:41.31 | dpkg | If you've forgotten the <MySQL> root password, /etc/init.d/mysql stop; mysqld --skip-grant-tables; mysql -u root; use mysql; UPDATE user SET Password=PASSWORD('mynewpassword') WHERE User='root'; FLUSH PRIVILEGES; C-d; stop mysqld; /etc/init.d/mysql start See also http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/resetting-permissions.html , <mysql initial password>. |
| 22:41.40 | infinity0 | it's ugly to explicitly specify python, though, since i could replace it with some other implementation |
| 22:41.43 | infinity0 | any ideas, anyone? |
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| 22:47.52 | CXIV1 | Im in world of sh*t.... |
| 22:48.01 | CXIV1 | I set to keep my files during install |
| 22:48.20 | CXIV1 | And I cannot access them now |
| 22:48.44 | CXIV1 | Help me.. |
| 22:49.00 | civillian | What? |
| 22:49.00 | themill | infinity0: if you were going to replace it with a different implementation, then the last little step of fixing the init script isn't too bad... |
| 22:49.13 | gnarface | CXIV1: where did it keep them? i've never tried that |
| 22:49.32 | infinity0 | themill: what if my users have different implementations |
| 22:49.43 | CXIV1 | I have ext4 and I launched wheezy install , I set not to format disk |
| 22:49.48 | themill | infinity0: "users"? |
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| 22:50.13 | infinity0 | the people who run the script that runs start-stop-daemon |
| 22:50.28 | themill | these are init scripts. users don't run them |
| 22:50.30 | infinity0 | it daemonifies a generic utility, people could have different versions of that utility in different languags |
| 22:50.36 | infinity0 | i'm not using it as an init script |
| 22:50.58 | themill | stop making work for yourself... |
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| 22:51.17 | CXIV1 | And I cannot access these files now , nautilus shows that partition is empty |
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| 22:51.56 | themill | infinity0: also note that you don't *have* to specify --exec but that it's a good idea to do so to help ensure s-s-d doesn't accidentally kill the wrong thing. |
| 22:52.06 | CXIV1 | It have formated my partition |
| 22:52.09 | CXIV1 | lol |
| 22:52.14 | CXIV1 | Im dead.. |
| 22:52.17 | engla | CXIV1: which partitions did you have before the install, what did you choose and what do you have now? |
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| 22:52.40 | CXIV1 | engla I had ext4 with dir "Files" |
| 22:52.51 | CXIV1 | And I set not to format it. |
| 22:52.53 | Iridos | CXIV1, just pull them from your backups |
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| 22:53.33 | CXIV1 | Is there any app to bring them to life? |
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| 22:54.39 | CXIV1 | It haven't format it. |
| 22:54.47 | CXIV1 | I do not know what happened |
| 22:55.35 | CXIV1 | :( |
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| 22:56.19 | CXIV1 | Guys... |
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| 22:56.59 | engla | CXIV1: I haven't worked with file restoration, but it should be possible partially. However any writes to the disk after formatting (a lot by now) is bad |
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| 22:58.30 | engla | CXIV1: which installer did you use? |
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| 22:59.41 | CXIV1 | Wheezy |
| 23:00.42 | engla | CXIV1: ok, graphical installer or not? |
| 23:01.00 | CXIV1 | Graphical |
| 23:01.24 | CXIV1 | I remember clearly that I choose to keep files |
| 23:01.32 | CXIV1 | I checked 2 times |
| 23:02.00 | Iridos | there's lots of possibilities to undelete single files that haven't been physically overwritten |
| 23:02.16 | Iridos | but nothing that will restore lots of diverse files without efforts |
| 23:02.46 | Iridos | if it's just a lot of images from a digital camera, magicrescue will find whatever hasn't been overwritten |
| 23:02.49 | CXIV1 | God... |
| 23:03.07 | Iridos | s/without efforts/without lots and lots and lots of efforts/ |
| 23:03.31 | Iridos | which brings us back to your backups... |
| 23:03.32 | engla | I'm confused because there is no option to preserve files in just a subdirectory |
| 23:04.06 | CXIV1 | I just choose not to format |
| 23:04.32 | CXIV1 | -_- |
| 23:05.28 | CXIV1 | Do you know any data recovery tool? |
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| 23:09.34 | Iridos | CXIV1, did you have a separate /home partition? |
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| 23:10.27 | Iridos | that you chose not to overwrite? |
| 23:10.38 | CXIV1 | Iridos No |
| 23:10.42 | engla | debian's installation manual doesn't sufficently address preserving partitions, it doesn't mention it |
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| 23:11.04 | Iridos | well... then I stand with my first impression that you were insane in doing what you did |
| 23:11.07 | Iridos | /o\ |
| 23:11.17 | CXIV1 | It doesn't matter now for me |
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| 23:12.22 | CXIV1 | Iridos Yep |
| 23:12.36 | Iridos | with the untested installer for the next release, no less |
| 23:13.04 | CXIV1 | Iridos So better give me some advice for data recovery... |
| 23:13.04 | CXIV1 | :D |
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| 23:13.31 | Iridos | I did... but probably you borked it for good |
| 23:13.36 | Iridos | so... |
| 23:13.44 | Iridos | at least it will have been very educational |
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| 23:14.31 | engla | I still think the installer could be more clear |
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| 23:15.08 | CXIV1 | I was always doing that thing since 90's |
| 23:15.15 | CXIV1 | And this never happened |
| 23:15.23 | engla | you must have used a separate /home before |
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| 23:15.37 | engla | separate as in on a different partition |
| 23:15.56 | CXIV1 | engla No , installer only was overwritting system folders |
| 23:16.01 | Iridos | yeah... then I'd see it as a risk one can take |
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| 23:16.59 | boudiccas | backup, backup and if you're not sure, then backup again |
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| 23:17.48 | RichiH | heh |
| 23:17.51 | streuner | wtf |
| 23:17.53 | RichiH | that worked great |
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| 23:18.15 | Iridos | self-bans? |
| 23:18.23 | dondelelcaro | testing; ignore. |
| 23:18.30 | cromag | kinda hard to :D |
| 23:18.36 | cromag | *DIIIING* |
| 23:18.37 | Sebby | is there anny way to extract files from e .deb ? |
| 23:18.47 | dondelelcaro | Sebby: dpkg-deb -x foo.deb |
| 23:18.52 | streuner | Sebby, ar or dpkg |
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| 23:19.48 | streuner | Sebby, or just use mc |
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| 23:26.22 | _jb | so, i have a squeeze server, and just found that a script that calls mount.nfs ends up failing due to a change in default nfs protocols. we use 3, but the default is now failing due to the server not supporting 4. where does that get set? |
| 23:26.25 | Iridos | CXIV1, probably too late for testdisk, but that contains photorec, then magicrescue, scalpel and the like... there's more specialized stuff for ext[234], nothing of which helps if you have already overwritten the data |
| 23:26.45 | Iridos | but there's specialized companies who will do that if you just give them enough money (i.e. lots) |
| 23:26.54 | CXIV1 | I havent overwrite |
| 23:26.59 | _jb | fwiw, we run a custom kernel that doesn't support v4 nfs |
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| 23:27.14 | Iridos | you did a whole install |
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| 23:27.28 | CXIV1 | The installer didnt copied anything |
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| 23:30.41 | CXIV1 | Not even a byte |
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| 23:30.58 | Iridos | _jb, I wasn't paying much attention, but I think you're not the first one with that problem in here... hmm... anything useful in /usr/share/doc/nfs-common/README.Debian.nfsv4 ? I wonder if that behavior would qualify as a bug, too... did you check bugs.debian.org/nfs-common (or actually better to check on the source-package) |
| 23:31.18 | _jb | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=568194 |
| 23:31.25 | _jb | yep, seems to be reported |
| 23:31.34 | _jb | it's breaking our new FAI setup |
| 23:32.03 | _jb | since FAI uses a URL to specify the nfs server. my other option is to compile a kernel that supports nfsv4 |
| 23:32.19 | _jb | not sure if i can pass flags to the server via a URL |
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| 23:36.29 | Sebby | wich is the smallest image that can be installed and doesn`t need much space on HDD? (need to run in vmware) |
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| 23:36.55 | brianmwaters | quickly, what's the channel for wheezy? |
| 23:37.26 | brianmwaters | wanna patch a few packages |
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| 23:38.18 | themill | brianmwaters: /topic |
| 23:38.21 | _jb | Iridos: nothing that jumps out to me in the docs |
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| 23:38.55 | nyukka | hello |
| 23:39.14 | Iridos | judd, versions nfs-common |
| 23:39.15 | judd | Package: nfs-common on i386 -- lenny: 1:1.1.2-6lenny2; lenny-backports: 1:1.2.2-4~bpo50+1; squeeze: 1:1.2.2-4squeeze2; squeeze-backports: 1:1.2.5-4~bpo60+1; sid: 1:1.2.5-4; wheezy: 1:1.2.5-4 |
| 23:39.31 | brianmwaters | themill: says i have to be invited to #debian-next |
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| 23:39.46 | streuner | brianmwaters: OFTC |
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| 23:39.49 | themill | brianmwaters: it also says that #debian-next is on irc.oftc.net |
| 23:40.18 | brianmwaters | thanks |
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| 23:40.44 | fppp | anyone have any idea how to get logging to work with jetty or tomcat? I can't find where to place the jars or where to configure.. I'm getting the error SLF4J: Failed to load class "org.slf4j.impl.StaticLoggerBinder".. .. Apparently the solution should be This happens when no appropriate SLF4J binding could be found on the class path. Placing one (and only one) of slf4j-nop.jar, slf4j-simple.jar, slf4j-log4j12.jar, slf4j-jdk14.jar or logback-classic.jar on t |
| 23:40.44 | fppp | he class path should solve the problem. .. But I have one of this in /usr/share/java, but that doesn't seem to work, so I think I should copy to somewhere else? And include more files?? I tried copiying one of theese to /var/lib/tomcat6/lib and it kinda worked with tomcat, but then it seems like tomcat didn't really work with other libs any more or something was missing.... |
| 23:41.03 | fppp | anyone have any idea how to get logging to work with jetty or tomcat? I can't find where to place the jars or where to configure |
| 23:41.41 | _jb | Iridos: new version of nfs-common. huh. thanks. |
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| 23:41.45 | _jb | Iridos: giving that a shot now. |
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| 23:44.20 | Iridos | _jb, well, dunno about your best possible workaround... I briefly wondered if you could downgrade to 1.2.0-4.1 (but that might cause more problems than it solves)... can't you make fstab entries to specify? |
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| 23:44.49 | Iridos | _jb, yeah... slightly newer one in backports |
| 23:44.54 | _jb | Iridos: i'd rather understand what the problem is before changing scripts that'll affect the production network |
| 23:45.15 | _jb | and, this is something that only affects our FAI setup. |
| 23:45.38 | _jb | worst case is changing out the kernel for squeeze. We only need it during the install. |
| 23:45.48 | _jb | it = nfs |
| 23:45.52 | Iridos | heh |
| 23:46.09 | nyukka | can anyone here help me get my wireless card working as an access point? i know it supports master mode, and i have hostapd configured already, just not the other files |
| 23:46.19 | nyukka | atheros something... hang on |
| 23:46.41 | nyukka | AR928X |
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| 23:47.19 | nyukka | here are some configurations, though they may be incorrect http://pastebin.com/7EnM05B5 |
| 23:47.45 | _jb | yeah |
| 23:47.47 | _jb | same shit. |
| 23:47.50 | _jb | Iridos: mount.nfs: timeout set for Tue Feb 28 15:49:33 2012 |
| 23:48.02 | _jb | Iridos: mount.nfs: trying text-based options 'vers=4,addr=... |
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| 23:49.41 | Sebby | i would like to install Debian squeeze but i need an smalll image anny ideea wich one ..where i can download it |
| 23:49.42 | Sebby | ? |
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| 23:50.13 | Sebby | netinst ? |
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| 23:52.37 | nyukka | is this the right channel even to ask my question, or is there a #debian-networking or something? |
| 23:53.08 | Sebby | just ask your question |
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| 23:54.29 | nyukka | i did above |
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| 23:56.34 | Sebby | aa..the ATHEROS problem.. |
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| 23:57.11 | Sebby | give me the pastebin link for the configs to take a look |
| 23:57.57 | nyukka | http://pastebin.com/7EnM05B5 |
| 23:58.24 | nyukka | not exactly a problem, just improper configuration as far as i know |
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| 23:59.20 | streuner | where is the gateway? |
| 23:59.32 | nyukka | uh.. |
| 23:59.38 | nyukka | 8.8.8.8? |
| 23:59.43 | streuner | 192.168.2.1 sounds like the gateway... |
| 23:59.51 | nyukka | oh yes |
