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| 00:01.02 | streuner | do you use DHCP or static? |
| 00:01.13 | nyukka | DHCP |
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| 00:01.44 | streuner | iface wlan0 inet static |
| 00:02.13 | nyukka | so it should be dhcp? |
| 00:02.51 | streuner | http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse |
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| 00:03.53 | nyukka | this is being set up as an access point, not sure if you knew or not |
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| 00:05.39 | streuner | hm, forget what iam said then |
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| 00:09.51 | __import__ | http://www.qdb.us/306819 |
| 00:09.52 | __import__ | oops |
| 00:09.56 | __import__ | sorry, wrong channel |
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| 00:10.54 | CXIV | I got my files. |
| 00:11.24 | CXIV | It had to be a bug or something |
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| 00:13.31 | gimpy19 | I just created a RAID5 array with mdadm on Squeeze as I have done many times before but somehow it created the array with only 2 drives plus a spare and started it read-only. How did it do this? http://pastie.org/3484257 |
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| 00:16.12 | tp43_ | Hi, I am using debian, how can I figure out if it is lenny or squeeze? |
| 00:16.23 | streuner | via libc6 |
| 00:16.34 | streuner | dpkg, versions |
| 00:16.35 | dpkg | streuner: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 00:16.39 | streuner | dpkg, version |
| 00:16.40 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r, or cat /proc/version. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version (or lsb_release -sc) and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command; check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>. Do cat /etc/{*version*,*release*,*issue*} which should grab almost all distributions. |
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| 00:16.58 | gimpy19 | tp43_: also cat /etc/debian_version |
| 00:17.09 | tp43_ | says 6.0 |
| 00:18.06 | tp43_ | 6.0 is squeeze, sweet, thx guys |
| 00:18.35 | tp43_ | anyone here do php, I wanted to setup my system for php pdo database connections to mysql |
| 00:18.55 | tp43_ | pdo doesn't work by default, it must be too new |
| 00:19.02 | nyukka | so does anyone know what to do with setting up the access point? |
| 00:19.07 | Sebby | nyukka |
| 00:19.23 | nyukka | yes? |
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| 00:19.41 | Sebby | if you scan for connections you see your device? |
| 00:19.53 | nyukka | you mean on another computer? no. |
| 00:20.33 | nyukka | what tells hostapd to start? |
| 00:21.30 | tp43_ | I think the initialization script starts programs. ex. /etc/init.d/apache2 start |
| 00:21.47 | nyukka | oh okay |
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| 00:24.04 | gimpy19 | Ok, now I explicitly specified 0 spare devices to mdadm when creating an array and it still did it. Why would mdadm do this? http://pastie.org/3484313 |
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| 00:30.09 | nyukka | Sebby: were you going somewhere with that? |
| 00:30.23 | Sebby | nyukka check this out http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-networking-3/master-mode-on-ar928x-using-ath9k-driver-756247/ |
| 00:31.46 | nyukka | its actually possible i am using an old driver |
| 00:31.52 | Sebby | is late and i`m sleppy so i can`t concentrate on your pastebin but that should help |
| 00:31.53 | nyukka | how do you update that? |
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| 00:33.35 | Sebby | under linux i never needed to update drivers or install a wireless care/usb ..on windows is much more simpler ..i have a program wich does alll teh job ..config..connect..swich to AP mode .. |
| 00:34.02 | Sebby | card/usb* |
| 00:34.24 | nyukka | i am pretty sure my hostapd.conf should work, as it was working when i was using it in gentoo |
| 00:35.17 | Sebby | have you read the link i gaved you? |
| 00:35.31 | nyukka | yes i have seen that link |
| 00:35.51 | nyukka | the only file it has there is hostapd.conf |
| 00:35.54 | nyukka | which i already have |
| 00:36.16 | nyukka | ALTHOUGH i did get the last error before |
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| 00:36.22 | k-man | i upgraded from squeeze to testing, and during the upgrade i got a message about various firmware missing for the kernel v3 - how do i get the firmware? |
| 00:36.38 | nyukka | i changed some files, maybe i shouldnt have. so how do you update the driver? anyone know that? |
| 00:38.38 | nyukka | just apt-get install wireless-tools and it automatically updates it? |
| 00:39.16 | Sebby | that is something else asa far as i know |
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| 00:39.22 | Sebby | you need that to |
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| 00:39.43 | dokma | I'm trying to get to the bottom of it all day |
| 00:39.50 | engla | k-man: firmware-linux |
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| 00:42.12 | Sebby | nyukka |
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| 00:42.30 | KNERD | I guess the jigdo files need to be updated. I am only getting 404 errors |
| 00:42.35 | nyukka | Sebby |
| 00:42.37 | Sebby | checkout this and tell me if is working |
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| 00:42.39 | Sebby | http://www.nicolaskuttler.com/post/using-any-debian-box-as-wireless-access-point/ |
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| 00:46.08 | nyukka | im getting Error for wireless request "Set Mode" (8B06) : |
| 00:46.08 | nyukka | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:46.29 | nyukka | like i said before, which the first link said updating the driver fixed |
| 00:47.21 | Sebby | then find the latest driver ..remove the old one and install new |
| 00:47.29 | nyukka | but how? |
| 00:47.34 | nyukka | thats what i was asking |
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| 00:48.15 | Sebby | exactly the way you installed the driver you are using now |
| 00:48.26 | nyukka | i didnt |
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| 00:48.35 | nyukka | it was just there when i installed the base system |
| 00:48.38 | unomystEz | hope i don't get flamed for asking this, but is it safe to install a deb (it's a patched murrina gtk engine) from Linux Mint into my Debian squeeze? |
| 00:48.51 | unomystEz | i really want to get that theme on my debian desktop |
| 00:49.10 | CookieJar | for what wm / dm is it for? |
| 00:49.18 | unomystEz | xfce |
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| 00:49.35 | CookieJar | last I checked, themes are cross platform |
| 00:49.51 | Sebby | what model of wlan card you use? |
| 00:49.58 | unomystEz | I imagine it will just install the necessary files, it's not like I'm polluting my sources.list or anything =p |
| 00:50.03 | unomystEz | I'll try it out, thanks |
| 00:50.14 | nyukka | AR928X |
| 00:50.18 | CookieJar | tell me the results, kinda interested |
| 00:50.24 | unomystEz | CookieJar: will do |
| 00:50.44 | nyukka | its atheros, and mini pci-e |
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| 00:53.24 | Baloo | I wonder what airmon-ng, aircrack-ng, airodump-ng, aireplay-ng, and packetforge-ng go by in stable |
| 00:53.52 | CookieJar | good question, I have only used those tools from a backtrack live usb |
| 00:54.17 | shingouz | nyukka: just for the heck of it, see what your ifconfig -a spits out. i have a vague recollection that some atheros cards show the wlan0 but the actual interface is eth(somethingorother). iwconfig might also give some hints |
| 00:54.27 | nyukka | it is wlan0 |
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| 00:56.32 | shingouz | nyukka: try iwconfig wlan0 mode Master as root, see what it spits out |
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| 00:57.03 | Sebby | nyukka annny news? |
| 00:57.15 | nyukka | the same error i said above |
| 00:57.20 | nyukka | Error for wireless request "Set Mode" (8B06) : |
| 00:57.20 | nyukka | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:57.44 | nyukka | as this link says: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-networking-3/master-mode-on-ar928x-using-ath9k-driver-756247/ |
| 00:57.52 | nyukka | i need to upgrade the driver and its fixed |
| 00:57.53 | Sebby | here is how to update your driver http://wiki.debian.org/ath9k_htc |
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| 00:58.53 | civillian | regex boffins, can you tell me some examples of what this matches: Pattern match "^([^;\s]+)" |
| 00:59.13 | civillian | It's from mod_security |
| 00:59.35 | nyukka | Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "firmware-atheros" |
| 01:00.14 | nyukka | also, ath9k_htc is for USB devices iirc |
| 01:00.33 | unomystEz | CookieJar: yes, it worked |
| 01:00.40 | CookieJar | nice' |
| 01:00.53 | Sebby | if you did exactly like is written there should find it |
| 01:00.56 | shingouz | nyukka: apt-cache search atheros |
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| 01:01.44 | Sebby | maybe he didn`t added in apt sources.list like is said there and that`s why isn`t finding it |
| 01:02.10 | nyukka | im not using wheezy |
| 01:02.40 | nyukka | # deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian wheezy main contrib non-free |
| 01:02.40 | nyukka | -bash: deb: command not found |
| 01:02.55 | nyukka | how do i do what it says |
| 01:03.21 | dvs | nyukka: Uh.... that's suppose to be in your /etc/apt/sources.list file |
| 01:03.45 | dvs | reassesses what is going on. |
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| 01:04.05 | nyukka | i honestly dont know what im doing when it comes to debian |
| 01:04.09 | shingouz | thinks it is sunday |
| 01:04.15 | nyukka | im not used to it at all |
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| 01:05.03 | dvs | nyukka: atheros wifi drivers dont use firmware |
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| 01:06.03 | nyukka | then... |
| 01:06.03 | nyukka | what |
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| 01:07.43 | LtL | fyi- apt search results, Package: firmware-atheros non-free |
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| 01:08.26 | shingouz | nyukka: see that your sources.list has the non-free enabled, install firmware-atheros, iwconfig wlan0 mode master |
| 01:08.40 | nyukka | i may have fixed it, hang on |
| 01:09.17 | nyukka | # ifconfig wlan0 && iwconfig wlan0 |
| 01:09.18 | nyukka | wlan0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:22:69:58:f8:b9 |
| 01:09.18 | nyukka | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:09.18 | nyukka | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:09.18 | nyukka | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:09.35 | nyukka | completely forgot about that lol |
| 01:09.36 | nyukka | oops |
| 01:09.52 | nyukka | well, it displays my ssid now, "test" |
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| 01:10.35 | shingouz | nyukka: now try the mode master on it |
| 01:10.50 | Lint | how to install gstreamer without unnedded dependencies? |
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| 01:11.37 | civillian | Lint: what is an unneeded dependency? |
| 01:11.48 | Lint | all I need is MP3, WMA and DIVX, but gstreamer offers 200 MB of extra files |
| 01:12.06 | nyukka | it didnt work, but if it is displaying the ssid in iwconfig, it is obviously working in master mode, right? |
| 01:12.51 | streuner | Lint, there are no unneeded depends. |
| 01:13.15 | Lint | there are like libtheora, libcss something etc |
| 01:13.22 | shingouz | nyukka: iwconfig | grep -i mode |
| 01:13.37 | dvs | nyukka: try "iwlist wlan0 scan" as root |
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| 01:15.02 | nyukka | no scan results |
| 01:16.06 | streuner | the wireless device doesnt work, even if you configured it or not... |
| 01:16.23 | nyukka | it was working in gentoo, therefore it works |
| 01:17.01 | streuner | thinking about gentoosmite, but its senseless in this case |
| 01:17.55 | shingouz | tempting... |
| 01:18.07 | Lint | so... |
| 01:18.15 | nyukka | huh? |
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| 01:18.30 | CookieJar | ok guys, while waiting for my netbook to finish installing Debian, I am planning on trying pekwm, any tips for it? |
| 01:18.36 | CookieJar | https://www.pekwm.org/projects/pekwm |
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| 01:19.57 | shingouz | Lint: if they are listed as depends, they are not unnecessary. some packages might be dependencies of the dependencies but they are all needed if they are listed as depends |
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| 01:23.30 | Lint | they are listed as depends because maintainer write them in corresponding field |
| 01:23.45 | streuner | so they had a reason |
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| 01:23.54 | Lint | gstreamer is a modular application and definitely doesn't need all that junk] |
| 01:24.03 | streuner | ; |
| 01:24.14 | streuner | Lint, its not up to you to decide that |
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| 01:24.26 | furien | how to delete all rules from iptables.. someone suggeste iptables -X |
| 01:24.36 | streuner | iptables -F |
| 01:24.47 | streuner | (flush) |
| 01:24.50 | streuner | or whatever |
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| 01:25.23 | furien | lol, it stopped working |
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| 01:29.44 | CXIV | That was an epic bug |
| 01:29.45 | Lint | so how I can edit depenedencies of an rpm package? |
| 01:29.54 | Lint | DEB I mean |
| 01:30.02 | streuner | s |
| 01:30.03 | streuner | a |
| 01:30.16 | streuner | well, just create your own deb then |
| 01:30.31 | streuner | which is prolly not that easy for gstreamer |
| 01:30.52 | streuner | there is no other way in Debian |
| 01:31.01 | Iridos | Lint, .deb packages are just two .tar.gz files. One contains one ascii control file. Feel free to unpack, edit and pack again and install the result - and then (not that that's the really important bit) NOT COME HERE AND COMPLAIN BECAUSE YOU BROKE IT. |
| 01:31.26 | Lint | or maybe dpkg can Install backage but register him in his database? |
| 01:31.30 | streuner | Iridos: das waere die Kroenung |
| 01:31.47 | streuner | Lint, listen to Iridos |
| 01:32.11 | Iridos | specially to the important bit? |
| 01:32.12 | Iridos | :D |
| 01:32.15 | Iridos | oh well, bedtime |
| 01:32.17 | kevlarman | Iridos: i almost think it's faster to download the source package |
| 01:32.21 | streuner | for me too |
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| 01:32.36 | Lint | what application unpacks debs? |
| 01:32.40 | Iridos | kevlarman, nah... you still have to edit dependencies and also have to compile |
| 01:32.44 | JZA | hi I want to make a strip down version of debian, I got the debian-net install |
| 01:32.51 | JZA | and is on a virtual disk of 300mb |
| 01:32.54 | Iridos | Lint, it's an ar archive |
| 01:33.07 | kevlarman | Iridos: i have a hex core that builds wine in 4 minutes |
| 01:33.08 | JZA | however I am having issues trying to bootstrap the installation and keep telling me that more memory is needed |
| 01:33.16 | kevlarman | less if i stop being lazy and put the build in tmpfs |
| 01:33.30 | JZA | any tips |
| 01:33.40 | Iridos | kevlarman, and it pines so if you don't give it useless stuff to do? |
| 01:34.08 | peterrooney | Lint, you can tell dpkg to forcibly ignore depends, but it it breaks, you buy it. |
| 01:34.15 | kevlarman | Iridos: no i just build wine a lot |
| 01:34.16 | Lint | or maybe dpkg can Install backage but register him in his database? |
| 01:34.25 | Lint | ^ is it possible? |
| 01:34.31 | Iridos | kevlarman, well... I guess everyone needs a hobby :) |
| 01:34.34 | shingouz | peterrooney: s/if it/when it/ |
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| 01:34.44 | kevlarman | Iridos: mine is avoiding windows |
| 01:34.47 | streuner | Lint, you dont listen, dont you? |
| 01:34.53 | streuner | do you* |
| 01:34.59 | peterrooney | mine is juggling clowns |
| 01:35.05 | streuner | Lint, you have to make your OWN deb |
| 01:35.05 | Iridos | kevlarman, and wine is your methadon /o\ |
| 01:35.14 | Lint | why I listen, but DEB chirurgy is too much for me |
| 01:35.23 | Lint | *surgeoning |
| 01:36.05 | Lint | the most clean way would be install package so that he appeared uninstalled |
| 01:36.08 | streuner | Lint, besides, making your own deb, you'll loose support then too... |
| 01:37.05 | shingouz | the actual technical term is mutilating. if the package maintainer thinks the package will need packages a-z and the neighhbors dog, s/he probably has a pretty good reason for it |
| 01:37.26 | Lint | rpm has a useful key --just-db |
| 01:37.39 | streuner | halleluja |
| 01:37.55 | Lint | when I install MP3 support, I don't need libcss. I don't pirate DVDs |
| 01:38.09 | karlpinc | Lint: Do you play dvds? |
| 01:38.15 | Lint | no |
| 01:38.28 | karlpinc | Lint: Then you don't need decss. |
| 01:38.41 | streuner | Lint, why gstreamer, there are some other ways to play mp3's... |
| 01:38.53 | Lint | but it is dependency of the same gstreamer package |
| 01:38.57 | gnarface | Lint: try a mp3 player that doesn't also play pirate dvds :-p |
| 01:39.00 | Lint | I also have WMAs |
| 01:39.24 | streuner | so, gstreamer is the only way to play WMAs? |
| 01:39.33 | karlpinc | Lint: It's a dependency or a recommends? You can always turn off recommends if you care to. (aptitude -R) See also <why recommends>. |
| 01:39.36 | Lint | I could install vlc but it sucks |
| 01:39.45 | Lint | karlpinc, it's dependency |
| 01:39.52 | gnarface | Lint: vlc also plays pirate dvds... |
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| 01:40.11 | gnarface | Lint: try audacious or mpg123 |
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| 01:40.27 | streuner | Lint, so everything sucks, you searching the ultimate way to not waste spare and have the ultimate distro installed, good luck :-P |
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| 01:40.58 | kevlarman | if i was feeling mean i'd suggest gentoo |
| 01:41.01 | allain | how can I install the latest 3.X.X driver on a debian 6.0.4 install? I've added backports to the apt/sources.list, what now? |
| 01:41.22 | karlpinc | Lint: If you're interested, the "why a deb" is explained in footnote 1 of http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSoftware. Most people don't think it through, although I'm not commenting on your approach. |
| 01:41.24 | streuner | argh, finally, gentoosmite isnt a bad idea now :-) |
| 01:41.32 | streuner | dpkg, gentoosmite kevlarman |
| 01:41.33 | dpkg | spends 8 weeks recompiling kevlarman, and when it's all done, kevlarman runs no faster than previously |
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| 01:42.14 | karlpinc | allain: There's instructions at backports.debian.org. |
| 01:42.29 | peterrooney | Lint, libdvdcss is needed merely to play back a DVD you paid for. |
| 01:42.33 | streuner | only to play mp3's and WMA's to make such headaches, sorry, no thank you! |
| 01:42.36 | kevlarman | streuner: gentoo does have some use though |
| 01:42.51 | streuner | (it becomes better and better) |
| 01:42.58 | peterrooney | wonders what Lint is _really_ trying to do |
| 01:43.04 | kevlarman | streuner: on cold days i can stick my feet in the cpu's exhaust fan |
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| 01:43.28 | Lint | peterrooney, i need slick gstreamer install as backend for audio video players |
| 01:43.31 | streuner | peterrooney: save less than 200 MB of unneeded depends in order to use gstreamer) |
| 01:43.44 | allain | karlpinc, yes, that's what I've followed to install the source. How do I tell what packages are available. apt-cache search doesn't seem to display anything for new linux kernels |
| 01:44.04 | streuner | peterrooney: vlc isnt an option for him, because vlc just sucks in his op. |
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| 01:44.28 | streuner | peterrooney: btw, gstreamer sucks too :-/ |
| 01:44.44 | karlpinc | allain: Perhaps "aptitude -t squeeze-backports search", but I've not tried it. -t is used for installing from backports though. I suppose one of us will have to stoop to reading the instructions. |
| 01:44.49 | shingouz | and to think that with just a small localepurge he'd probably save the 200 megs |
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| 01:45.19 | allain | Of course, I'll read. I've been reading for 3 days now |
| 01:45.22 | Lint | why do i *need* libtheora if i never saw a theora movie? |
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| 01:45.36 | furien | how can i stop iptables from command line in debian 6 ? |
| 01:46.08 | kevlarman | Lint: because hard drive space is cheap, the time people spend hunting down all of these packages isn't |
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| 01:46.32 | karlpinc | allain: The trick is selctive reading. Learning to use "less" and "info", so that one can search (as well as man -k and the like) is key. That way you read what you need. (Or, now that I've guessed, you could just try it. :-) |
| 01:46.39 | Lint | if I wanted hotchpotch in mycomputer I would use ubuntu |
| 01:46.59 | allain | karlpinc, thx. Way ahead of you. :) |
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| 01:47.42 | karlpinc | furien: Nothing really ever stops it, you can just flush the table. I think the script in /etc/init.d/iptables has a flush option, or you could use -F (iirc, but better check!) |
| 01:48.00 | furien | i`ve did that but then server just died |
| 01:48.22 | Lint | which command regenerates grub in debian? |
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| 01:48.45 | shingouz | update-grub |
| 01:48.47 | stan_theman | noob question: I have a perl script that I always want to run as another user (one I've created for the purpose of running this script). I could have a wrapper script that 'su's down but that seems hacky. am i right to understand that this might be a good case for an init script? i havent made one before |
| 01:49.03 | kevlarman | karlpinc: oh god |
| 01:49.15 | kevlarman | karlpinc: you've just reminded me of one of my most hated things |
| 01:49.22 | kevlarman | man pages that tell me to use info |
| 01:49.34 | karlpinc | furien: died how? If it runs nat then you just can't get to it because it's got a non-internet routable ip. |
| 01:49.51 | karlpinc | kevlarman: Anything's better than html only. |
| 01:49.51 | furien | yeah i`m telling my friend because he has it in his house |
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| 01:49.58 | furien | i can`t connect to it ... |
| 01:50.07 | kevlarman | karlpinc: no info is worse |
| 01:50.34 | gnarface | info is great if you have it set up right |
| 01:50.46 | Arrowmaster | i dont |
| 01:50.47 | kevlarman | i'd read html docks in lynx(/links/etc) before i read info |
| 01:50.52 | Lint | why doesn't grub see my BSD kernel? |
| 01:51.09 | Arrowmaster | ive been using linux for years but get lost trying to use info |
| 01:51.10 | karlpinc | info requires instructions. Which sorta sucks. But it was pretty painless to learn. |
| 01:51.19 | gnarface | if you don't like emacs you probably don't like info. |
| 01:51.30 | Arrowmaster | browsing info pages from yelp is easy though |
| 01:51.38 | kevlarman | gnarface: i love emacs and i can't stand info |
| 01:51.41 | karlpinc | gnarface: That may be it. I prefer emacs. |
| 01:51.51 | stan_theman | i think an init script would let me specify the user a script should run as? |
| 01:51.57 | gnarface | kevlarman: have you tried the info browser built into emacs? |
| 01:52.02 | kevlarman | yes |
| 01:52.03 | karlpinc | kevlarman: The commands are pretty much the same. Except for space bar/page forward. |
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| 01:52.32 | streuner | Lint, not sure, do you have os-prober installed? |
| 01:52.33 | karlpinc | stan_theman: You'd have to code that into the script. |
| 01:52.44 | stan_theman | really? blah |
| 01:52.45 | kevlarman | karlpinc: except not being able to scroll in a way that doesn't throw off where you are in the page |
| 01:52.54 | Lint | it's kernel from repository |
| 01:52.56 | gnarface | i just like that you can actually browse info by topic, heirarchially - you can't really do that with man pages |
| 01:52.58 | kevlarman | or having all the information in a contiguous block |
| 01:53.17 | karlpinc | stan_theman: It may be there, but most daemons already have a way to setuid in their config files. See also <readme.debian>. |
| 01:53.39 | streuner | Lint, keep in mind, you cannot mix BSD kernels and using them in Debian |
| 01:54.06 | streuner | Lint, you have to install kfreebsd |
| 01:54.34 | Lint | I have kfreebsd-image and kfreebsd-headers installed |
| 01:55.00 | streuner | Lint, in a existing enviroment? |
| 01:55.03 | streuner | an* |
| 01:55.07 | Lint | yes |
| 01:55.12 | streuner | that doesnt work |
| 01:55.30 | streuner | !kfreebsd |
| 01:55.30 | dpkg | Debian GNU/kFreeBSD is a port that consists of GNU userland using the GNU C library on top of FreeBSD's kernel, coupled with the regular Debian package set. kfreebsd-amd64 and kfreebsd-i386 were released as a "technology preview" for Squeeze, ask me about <install guide>. http://www.debian.org/ports/kfreebsd-gnu/ http://glibc-bsd.alioth.debian.org/doc/ http://wiki.debian.org/Debian_GNU/kFreeBSD_FAQ #debian-kbsd on irc.oftc.net. |
| 01:56.04 | JZA | hi I need help, I am trying to have a minimal debian install |
| 01:56.32 | JZA | no X, I have a virtual disk of 300mb but debian keeps complaining is too low |
| 01:56.40 | JZA | http://imagebin.org/201314 |
| 01:57.08 | JZA | I am reading about debootstrap but I am stuck a bit. |
| 01:57.31 | JZA | anyone have experience with debootstrap |
| 01:57.37 | gnarface | JZA: i am |
| 01:57.57 | JZA | gnarface: I am following this instructions but I got an error |
| 01:58.05 | JZA | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apds03.html.en |
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| 01:58.11 | Lint | JZA, why automatic partitioning? |
| 01:58.14 | gnarface | JZA: 300mb is a little small |
| 01:58.26 | JZA | I thought I could get debian on a 200mb minimum |
| 01:58.39 | JZA | gnarface: I want to have a virtual appliance |
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| 01:58.54 | JZA | gnarface: with only a webapp running |
| 01:58.59 | somiaj | I have a 294M squeeze chroot, but that doesn't leave room to install anything (that is just a base system) |
| 01:59.02 | gnarface | JZA: i thought i remembered hearing its up to like 380 or 420 now |
| 01:59.23 | gnarface | somiaj: did you have to remove things from the base install? |
| 01:59.40 | streuner | somiaj: sounds like a system for masochits? |
| 02:00.06 | JZA | ok, so which is the minimum to have a non-X LAMP system? |
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| 02:00.28 | streuner | WHO are interesting to install anything within 200-300 MB nowadays? |
| 02:00.42 | streuner | thats a joke, IMO |
| 02:00.50 | JZA | streuner: is a virtual appliance (virtualbox) so the smaller the best. |
| 02:00.51 | Lint | I think LAMP needs to be built manually to fit in |
| 02:01.05 | Lint | default packaging too much junk |
| 02:01.19 | JZA | Lint: ok so which should be the minimum then? |
| 02:01.25 | JZA | 400? |
| 02:01.40 | streuner | JZB, whats 1 GB nowadays, thats only 1 movie (pron) nowadays... |
| 02:01.52 | Lint | base system is about 1,2GB |
| 02:01.52 | nkuttler | JZA: hm? you plan to use real partitions? or disk images? |
| 02:02.03 | nkuttler | virtualbox can use dynamic images |
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| 02:02.32 | Lint | JZA, I would start with large partition and slimmed it down manually |
| 02:02.34 | shingouz | JZA: after the install, do a localepurge, clean the package cache or you could keep the package cache remotely |
| 02:03.35 | boudiccas | back it up and then purge |
| 02:03.36 | JZA | streuner: agree, but the idea is to give out 1GB USB so we already have 200mb of content + the vdi |
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| 02:05.16 | JZA | streuner: since live Cds are usually >700mb I assume a vdi would be around half with no X/DE |
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| 02:05.27 | shingouz | i'd do a debootstrap and keep the package cache remote, select the smallest possible alternatives, purge the unnecessary locales and if i were in a real pinch, maybe even strip some binaries |
| 02:05.32 | JZA | but seems I am splitting hair here |
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| 02:07.31 | furien | karlpinc, i still can`t connect to the server man |
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| 02:10.54 | Lint | why debian packages are so course? |
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| 02:11.21 | Lint | if application has 10 plugins they are stashed into a single package and not 10 separate |
| 02:13.26 | dioz | what is the opposite of course? |
| 02:13.34 | Lint | dioz, fine |
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| 02:15.45 | dioz | your dictations allude me |
| 02:16.03 | dioz | a seperation of packages into their finest qualities |
| 02:16.15 | dioz | is not fine but course |
| 02:16.19 | Lint | fine grain/course grain |
| 02:16.44 | dioz | i'm being trolled now i think |
| 02:17.01 | somiaj | Lint: you could file a wishlist bug, it changes depending on the package/matainer. |
| 02:17.16 | Lint | was just relieved from 139MB of junk by localepurge |
| 02:17.35 | k-man | what the package i should install so i get gdm (or whatever the current login manager is?) and X when i boot, in testing? |
| 02:17.53 | gnarface | Lint: you built *all* the locales?! |
| 02:18.03 | nsadmin | k-man, packages.debian.org |
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| 02:18.11 | somiaj | k-man: if you want gnome you can use tasksel to install the gnometask, the gnome meta package may work too. |
| 02:18.15 | Lint | somiaj, most packages are made in this way, it would be troublesome to contact each maintainer |
| 02:18.42 | Lint | gnarface, you don't know what localepurge does, do you? |
| 02:18.58 | somiaj | k-man: though there are plenty of other display managers and ways to run xorg |
| 02:19.04 | gnarface | Lint: apparently not |
| 02:19.09 | gnarface | Lint: it doesn't purge your locales? |
| 02:19.20 | Lint | gnarface, it purges gettext catalogs |
| 02:19.40 | Lint | translations, in common tongue |
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| 02:20.15 | k-man | tasksel already had DEbian Desktop environment selected and did nothing |
| 02:20.35 | M4dH4tt3r | xorg isnt that the guys on startrek? |
| 02:20.52 | gnarface | Lint: that's not what apt-cache's package description tells me it does |
| 02:21.25 | somiaj | k-man: dpkg -l | grep gnome (do you see lots of gnome packges installed)? |
| 02:21.26 | gnarface | Lint: also its package description tells me you shouldn't have needed to run it manually, so your blatantly inaccurate statement begs the question; what the fuck did you do to your system? |
| 02:21.30 | somiaj | k-man: also dpkg -l | grep gdm |
| 02:21.54 | k-man | yes, lots there already |
| 02:22.02 | k-man | whats the default greeter for gnome these days? |
| 02:22.21 | somiaj | k-man: should have x/gnome installed. you could try /etc/init.d/gdm start |
| 02:22.28 | somiaj | k-man: or startx if it isn't running right now |
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| 02:22.56 | k-man | thanks somiaj |
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| 02:23.01 | M4dH4tt3r | dont forget to update/upgrade ;) |
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| 02:26.19 | furien | after i removed the packages iptables and fail2ban on the server i still can`t connect to it |
| 02:26.21 | furien | any ideeas ? |
| 02:26.49 | abrotman | hosts.deny? your sshd_config ? |
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| 02:27.19 | gnarface | if you uninstall iptables when there are firewall rules in place, doesn't that just give you a firewalled server you can't turn the firewall off on? |
| 02:27.42 | furien | that`s what i did, now what can i do... it`s debian 6 |
| 02:28.03 | gnarface | reinstall it and unload all your firewall rules? |
| 02:28.15 | gnarface | or maybe you know... read the man page for iptables? |
| 02:28.48 | furien | how to unload all i`ve already did -F -X ..... |
| 02:28.57 | gnarface | oh |
| 02:29.00 | gnarface | well i don't know |
| 02:29.17 | gnarface | that should have done it but i'm not looking at your rules |
| 02:29.44 | gnarface | based just on the information you've given it could still be practically anything |
| 02:29.51 | gnarface | for all i know the damned thing isn't plugged in |
| 02:30.19 | furien | ok wait i`m trying to get a pastebin of the rules |
| 02:30.33 | LtL | furien: check this script out, http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/linux-iptables-how-to-flush-all-rules.html |
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| 02:30.55 | furien | i will right now LtL |
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| 02:35.26 | furien | thanks LtL that really did it |
| 02:36.17 | Lint | does debian has GUI fuirewall configurator? |
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| 02:36.44 | LtL | Lint: shorewall is one |
| 02:37.08 | LtL | Lint: excuse please, that i believe is cli. |
| 02:37.57 | LtL | furien: happy to help |
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| 02:38.23 | nyukka | i figured it out |
| 02:38.27 | nyukka | it was too easy |
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| 02:46.08 | kd123_ | Why would my eth0 keep losing it's IPv4 address? |
| 02:46.18 | kd123_ | It retains its IPv6 address though |
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| 02:51.10 | Lint | apparently my system has no sound |
| 02:51.44 | kd123_ | Lint: do you have alsa installed? |
| 02:52.12 | Lint | kd123_, yes |
| 02:53.06 | kd123_ | ok you need to initialize alsa then |
| 02:53.20 | kd123_ | 'alsactl init' should do it |
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| 02:55.03 | somiaj | !tell Lint about alsa-checklist |
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| 02:57.36 | Lint | alsactl did it |
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| 03:01.02 | Lint | lol audaciuos eats 80% cpu time |
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| 03:10.18 | kd123_ | How can I tell what ports I have open? |
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| 03:10.46 | LtL | kd123_: try netstat -tunap |
| 03:10.47 | kd123_ | I need to make sure port 69 is open for my tftp server |
| 03:10.48 | dvs | kd123_: I use grc.com but I'll probably get booed |
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| 03:11.25 | LtL | kd123_: or nmap yourself from another box. |
| 03:12.02 | kd123_ | ok netstat -tunap worked |
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| 03:12.22 | kd123_ | so now I know port 69 isn't open... how do I open it? |
| 03:12.44 | dvs | kd123_: hook up a program to it? |
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| 03:13.35 | kd123_ | dvs: no I need port 69 open for a tftp server to listen on it |
| 03:13.38 | dvs | kd123_: preferably a tftp apppp |
| 03:14.07 | dvs | kd123_: it opens once a program starts running that uses it. |
| 03:14.31 | kd123_ | usually I think port 69 is open by default.... isn't it? but for some reason my eth interface keeps dropping its IPv4 address |
| 03:14.40 | abrotman | no |
| 03:14.57 | abrotman | things aren't "open" by default |
| 03:15.18 | dvs | this aint windows |
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| 03:15.30 | abrotman | and especially not for tftp |
| 03:15.33 | kd123_ | abrotman: ok. Is everything closed except for 80 |
| 03:15.53 | dvs | kd123_: so your web server is running |
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| 03:16.59 | abrotman | kd123_: no ... you installed a program that accepts connections on 80 |
| 03:17.22 | andrzej | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:17.29 | kd123_ | dvs: well my tftp server is running |
| 03:17.39 | kd123_ | abrotman: ok I see |
| 03:17.45 | nsadmin | which could (but doesn't have to) be a web server, or ssh, or ftp, or mail, or... |
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| 03:17.57 | dvs | true |
| 03:18.05 | dvs | just playing the odds |
| 03:18.41 | kd123_ | ok well... my tftp server is running and 'netstat -tunep' doesn't list port 69 as open |
| 03:19.31 | kd123_ | basically I configured eth0 with a static address of 192.168.0.1, netmask of 255.255.255.0, and gateway of 192.168.0.254 |
| 03:19.47 | jvogel | hey, anyone have any recommendations for using wireless on the command line? |
| 03:19.50 | LtL | kd123_: netstat -tunap |
| 03:19.55 | kd123_ | then I had to restart my eth0... 'ifdown eth0' && 'ifup eth0' |
| 03:19.57 | jvogel | I used to use netcfg on arch linux, but I can't find that in aptitude |
| 03:19.59 | abrotman | kd123_: is it UDP ? |
| 03:20.10 | abrotman | jvogel: configure /etc/network/interfaces |
| 03:20.14 | jvogel | I see it here but it fails to recognize it when I search for it on the system :x http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/netcfg |
| 03:20.17 | Lint | people who speak about 'open by default' ports should be sent back to school |
| 03:20.18 | dvs | seconded |
| 03:20.19 | jvogel | abrotman: why can't I install netcfg? |
| 03:20.23 | kd123_ | LtL: right sorry misspelling :P |
| 03:20.54 | kd123_ | Lint: Hey people who don't know about alsactl should go back a grade further lol |
| 03:21.23 | jvogel | abrotman: I want to be bale to switch between access points easily |
| 03:21.24 | kd123_ | abrotman: I'm not sure if port 69 for tftp is udp or tcp... |
| 03:21.42 | Lint | alsa and tcp are of incomparable scales |
| 03:22.11 | kd123_ | Lint: lol ok I'm a network noob.... you caught me |
| 03:22.39 | kd123_ | What I'm trying to do is a PXE boot... my DHCP server is working fine |
| 03:23.08 | kd123_ | the client connects to the DHCP server and gets its address, gateway, mask... |
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| 03:23.44 | dvs | jvogel: preset access points or on the fly access points |
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| 03:24.01 | kd123_ | when it goes to access TFTP it gives an ARP Timeout |
| 03:24.03 | kd123_ | could an incorrectly setup DHCP server be causing my TFTP server issues? |
| 03:24.23 | allain | Hello. I'm having an issue with the ath9k driver and kernel 3.2.0 My system freezes completely unless I have an ethernet cable is plugged in while booting |
| 03:24.41 | jvogel | dvs: what? |
| 03:24.53 | jvogel | can you elaborate what you mean |
| 03:24.54 | somiaj | allain: do you have an auto eth0 line in /etc/network/interfaces? (though that shouldn't freeze the computer) |
| 03:24.54 | allain | Once I boot up, log in and have the wireless connect, it works perfectly and then I can disconnect the ethernet cable. |
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| 03:25.03 | dvs | jvogel: do you want to switch between preset access points? |
| 03:25.25 | somiaj | allain: or maybe an allow-hotplug eth0 |
| 03:25.46 | kd123_ | abrotman: I found out TFTP's port 69 is UDP |
| 03:25.48 | somiaj | allain: also do you use network-manager? |
| 03:26.05 | jvogel | I want to type a command and join an access point, I know I could write my own script that'd do iwconfig and wpasupplicant but I'm wondering if there's a tool that'll make that easier for me, I used to use netcfg on Arch, but I can't find that in aptitude on Debian. |
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| 03:26.20 | somiaj | jvogel: man 5 interfaces |
| 03:26.25 | allain | I'm using the gnome applet and configured it through there if that's what you mean. |
| 03:26.48 | dvs | jvogel: I'd suggess wpa-roam if you already knew what those access points were. |
| 03:26.52 | somiaj | jvogel: you can set up a bunch of aliases in your interfaces file (it is what I do), then all you have to do is type 'ifup wlan0=alias' and it brings up your wireless device using the settings configured for alias |
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| 03:27.34 | somiaj | allain: maybe it is network-manager causing problems, I don't use network-manager, but can you tell it to ignore/not configure eth0? |
| 03:27.35 | allain | somiaj, yes, there's an eth0 auto line in there. |
| 03:27.55 | somiaj | allain: comment out that line, that tells debian to bring up that device automatically at bootup, maybe that is where your problem is |
| 03:28.02 | jvogel | somiaj: thanks |
| 03:28.18 | allain | somiaj: thanks, trying now |
| 03:28.25 | abrotman | judd: versions wicd-cli |
| 03:28.26 | judd | Package: wicd-cli on i386 -- squeeze: 1.7.0+ds1-5; sid: 1.7.1-1; wheezy: 1.7.1-1 |
| 03:28.49 | dvs | oh? wicd is in wheezy and sid? |
| 03:29.15 | abrotman | probably a little easier for him than trying to do it by hand |
| 03:29.39 | dvs | I thought wicd was done. |
| 03:29.58 | abrotman | according to some others in here, it's the wave of the future |
| 03:30.45 | dvs | rides away in his horse and buggy |
| 03:31.09 | ParkerR | I like sudo ifconfig wlan0 up && sudo iwconfig wlan0 essid NETGEAR && sudo dhclient |
| 03:31.17 | CookieJar | guys, very simple question, what would be the file / script I would put commands that I want to run when I boot be? |
| 03:31.18 | zykotick9 | wicd-curses has a nice interface |
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| 03:31.27 | abrotman | ParkerR: and how many APs can you manage like that .. with keys? |
| 03:31.32 | allain | somiaj, *thank you*!!!! |
| 03:31.35 | abrotman | !tell CookieJar about run at startup |
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| 03:31.39 | ParkerR | abramart, I dont do keys XD |
| 03:31.43 | raidmaster | Was wondering if anybody here has managed to "switch user accounts" using lightdm with xfce. Or just cmd to do so, ie gdmflexiserver --startnew is used with gdm to do this |
| 03:31.45 | abrotman | !beer abramart |
| 03:31.46 | dpkg | pulls out a tasty Gulden Drak for abramart |
| 03:31.54 | allain | I've been trying to get this thing working for 3 effin' days! |
| 03:31.57 | abrotman | ParkerR: right .. he didn't say if he needs that .. but your method makes it way less than fun |
| 03:32.07 | ParkerR | raidmaster, Just type in another username when it prompts for it |
| 03:32.15 | ParkerR | abramart, Hehe true |
| 03:32.17 | CookieJar | thank you abrotman |
| 03:32.24 | abrotman | ParkerR: abro<tab> |
| 03:32.32 | ParkerR | Haha |
| 03:32.40 | ParkerR | Sorry abramart |
| 03:32.50 | ParkerR | abrotman, Hehe |
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| 03:33.51 | somiaj | CookieJar: /etc/rc.local (and then chmod +x that file) if it is just a simple script. If you want it to start/stop a serverice you should write your own /etc/init.d/foo start/stop script (check skeleton and README in that directory) |
| 03:33.52 | raidmaster | ParkerR I mean to swap between active sessions. Lets say you are in Eclipse doing some work. Your girlfriend says "Please let me check my Facebook over on my account". |
| 03:33.54 | jvogel | somiaj: I'm not sure if I'm doing this right - I'm referencing http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse |
| 03:34.20 | jvogel | somiaj: I have iface <name> inet dhcpd, the two subsequent lines wpa-ssid and wpa-psk, anything else I need? |
| 03:34.21 | ParkerR | raidmaster, Hmm |
| 03:34.25 | jvogel | i'm not getting a lease |
| 03:34.36 | jvogel | then when I run it again it says it's already configured?? even tho I take down the interface :x |
| 03:34.44 | somiaj | jvogel: nope |
| 03:34.55 | somiaj | jvogel: run 'ifdown wlan0' |
| 03:35.08 | somiaj | jvogel: just because it dones't get the lease the interface is still considered up. |
| 03:35.08 | raidmaster | ParkerR I mean if Ubuntu can do it (uses lightdm) then I would think it is possible. |
| 03:35.17 | raidmaster | ParkerR man lightdm really sucks |
| 03:35.22 | ParkerR | raidmaster, Umm afaik Ubuntu uses gdm |
| 03:35.24 | somiaj | jvogel: and you run 'ifup wlan0=<name>' right? |
| 03:35.30 | ParkerR | raidmaster, I like lightdm |
| 03:35.31 | jvogel | yes |
| 03:35.33 | somiaj | jvogel: do you have wpasupplicant installed (it isn't default in some cases) |
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| 03:35.44 | raidmaster | ParkerR I mean the manual. Lightdm is nice |
| 03:35.55 | ParkerR | Oh haha |
| 03:36.08 | ParkerR | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:36.11 | ParkerR | XD |
| 03:36.14 | raidmaster | ParkerR lol, yeah. Try man lightdm. Not much there. |
| 03:36.16 | somiaj | jvogel: do you put quotes around your ssid name? (if you do don't) |
| 03:36.19 | jvogel | somiaj: sorry I made an error in my configuration |
| 03:36.21 | jvogel | it's working |
| 03:36.22 | jvogel | :D |
| 03:36.23 | jvogel | thank you |
| 03:36.30 | somiaj | jvogel: chmod 600 /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 03:36.40 | somiaj | jvogel: else other users can see your passwords and stuff in there in plain text |
| 03:36.58 | jvogel | somiaj: good call! |
| 03:37.13 | dvs | jvogel: so you have several entries in your /etc/network/interfaces file? |
| 03:38.16 | nsadmin | is it true that if I want nm to handle my wireless, it has to handle my wired too? |
| 03:38.38 | dvs | nsadmin: no |
| 03:38.41 | somiaj | nsadmin: nope, nm should ignore anything explicity handeled by /etc/network/interfaces |
| 03:39.00 | raidmaster | ParkerR OK so Ubuntu has lightdm doing this. Ill dig around in Ubuntu and see what they are doing. Might make a plugin/patch for xfce if I get this working. |
| 03:39.05 | ParkerR | And in wicd you could just take out eth0 from the preferences |
| 03:39.07 | somiaj | nsadmin: so just an iface eth0 inet dhcp (even without an auto line) shoudl be enought to make nm completely ignore it. |
| 03:39.14 | nsadmin | so it can splitem? |
| 03:39.36 | nsadmin | so it's by interface? |
| 03:39.46 | jvogel | somiaj: what about unencrypted and WEP networks? |
| 03:40.03 | somiaj | jvogel: wep networks you use wireless-essid wireless-key |
| 03:40.10 | somiaj | jvogel: encrypted not to sure, don't use any of those myself |
| 03:40.54 | somiaj | jvogel: note with postup/preup postdown/predown scripts you can even have the interfaces file call another script if it doesn't handel it by default. But I belive encrypted keys should work just fine. |
| 03:41.28 | nsadmin | if I change interfaces, would I do something to nm to have it know more current info? |
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| 03:41.54 | kd123_ | Ok I think my problem is my TFTP server is listening on the wrong interface.... I trying checking the Syslog to see where it was listening, but it wasn't listed in there. How can I tell what interface TFTP is listening on? |
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| 03:42.23 | somiaj | nsadmin: yes restart the daemon |
| 03:42.24 | dvs | kd123_: is there a /etc/default/tftp file? |
| 03:42.42 | somiaj | nsadmin: /etc/init.d/network-manager restart (or whatever it is called) |
| 03:42.47 | jvogel | somiaj: ok thanks |
| 03:42.55 | nsadmin | ok, I'll give that a shot |
| 03:43.01 | kd123_ | dvs: yes. there is |
| 03:43.14 | dvs | kd123_: I'd look in there first. |
| 03:43.21 | kd123_ | dvs: It lists the TFTP_ADDRESS as 0.0.0.0:69 |
| 03:43.23 | nsadmin | good enuf |
| 03:43.37 | kd123_ | should I change that to my eth0 ip address? |
| 03:44.14 | kd123_ | where does 0.0.0.0 route to? |
| 03:44.26 | dvs | kd123_: the default route |
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| 03:44.38 | dvs | interface I mean |
| 03:45.00 | kevlarman | is there a way to make the scheduler a bit more reluctant to change the cpu a process is on? |
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| 03:45.17 | kd123_ | dvs: hmmm.... ok maybe that's because my eth0 interface didn't have an IPv4 address before I assigned it one |
| 03:45.44 | somiaj | kevlarman: Don't know the details, but isn't this done with cgroups in the kernel these days? |
| 03:45.50 | kevlarman | i'm seeing a game constantly get scheduled on 800mhz cpus |
| 03:46.05 | kevlarman | and setting all 6 to 3.3ghz is a bit insane |
| 03:46.14 | kd123_ | dvs: Do you know how I'd list two address, so it'd listen on two interfaces |
| 03:46.16 | kd123_ | kevlarman: I've seen a setting like that in the kernel I think |
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| 03:46.30 | muhoo | what's the current state of the art for gui-ish or web-based network management tools? |
| 03:46.34 | kevlarman | (by the time the governor maxes out one cpu's clock, the scheduler picks a new one) |
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| 03:46.49 | muhoo | mostly for viewing the status of a bunch of switches, routers, and workstations, mixed network, mostly windoze unfortunately |
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| 03:48.09 | kevlarman | somiaj: you mean along the lines of taskset? |
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| 03:48.43 | somiaj | kevlarman: again not sure on the details, but you can define cpu groups for tasks and limit certain groups to different prioritys and even cpus/cores |
| 03:48.55 | somiaj | kevlarman: this is only something I saw in passing mostly I let it just figure it out for me. |
| 03:49.06 | kevlarman | somiaj: that's exactly what i'm trying to avoid though |
| 03:49.22 | kevlarman | forcing it onto just one cpu "works", but it's a multithreaded game |
| 03:49.30 | somiaj | kevlarman: so force it to a group of cpus |
| 03:49.31 | kd123_ | ok well... changing the tftp address in the /etc/default/tftpd-hpa file to 192.168.0.1:69 from 0.0.0.0:69 didn't help anything |
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| 03:49.47 | muhoo | been so long since i had to manage anything except my own personal machines, i have no idea what's out there nowadays. |
| 03:49.54 | kevlarman | somiaj: forcing it onto 2 cpus still has issues |
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| 03:50.07 | somiaj | kevlarman: though if you just want the scheduler to not switch cpus it maybe a different issue. Just something I thought of in passing. |
| 03:50.17 | muhoo | nagios was the state of the art last i checked. |
| 03:50.37 | brianp1992 | what are some diffrences between debian and ubuntu |
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| 03:51.15 | somiaj | brianp1992: the core system (how things are managed), the versions of packages included in a 'release' and policy on how things should work. |
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| 03:52.03 | rhino_ | ppp |
| 03:52.40 | CookieJar | somiaj, sorry for the long time for this response, but it is a command to mount a partition on my hdd |
| 03:52.58 | somiaj | CookieJar: then use /etc/fstab (and I think uuid's are better than giving it a device name) |
| 03:53.14 | CookieJar | uuid = stuff like /dev/sda3 ? |
| 03:53.35 | kd123_ | cookiejar: ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid |
| 03:54.40 | somiaj | CookieJar: /dev/sda3 is the device node, a uuid is a long string to idenitify the partition (in the case of /dev/sda it may not change at boot up, but there is no guarntee with usbdrives and the lkes you get the same device assigned each boot up, hence using a uuid) |
| 03:55.38 | CookieJar | so how would I find the uuid? would it be found with fdisk -l ? |
| 03:55.47 | somiaj | CookieJar: kd123_ just told you |
| 03:55.53 | CookieJar | herp |
| 03:56.20 | nsadmin | es |
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| 03:56.32 | CookieJar | eh we all herp and derp sometimes right? |
| 03:56.41 | dvs | never! |
| 03:58.03 | kd123_ | CookieJar: you want to use UUIDs not device nodes, because if you change around your hardware it can cause issues |
| 03:58.24 | CookieJar | this is on a netbook so the only hardware changes would be usb |
| 03:58.27 | kd123_ | device nodes can be reassigned... uuids can't |
| 03:58.58 | kd123_ | cookiejar: you'd probably be ok then, but using uuids is a good habit |
| 03:59.03 | CookieJar | ok |
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| 03:59.59 | Joelito | question: does anyone know a good port of the "grey bird" gtk2 theme for our debian stable version? |
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| 04:00.21 | kd123_ | well... I can't seem to solve this TFTP issue.... does a tftp server listen on all interfaces or only the one expressed in its config file under "TFTP_ADDRESS" |
| 04:00.33 | kd123_ | ?? |
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| 04:03.39 | somiaj | Joelito: any reason you don't want to juse ues the grey bird theme, you can put it in your $HOME dir and that user can use it just fine? |
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| 04:03.55 | somiaj | Joelito: you may have to install some gtk2 engines (not sure what one it relays upon) |
| 04:04.25 | Joelito | somiaj, I think it needs an updated version of murrine |
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| 04:06.15 | somiaj | Joelito: backport that theme? |
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| 04:06.29 | Joelito | how? |
| 04:06.31 | somiaj | ,versions gtk2-engines-murrine |
| 04:06.32 | judd | Package: gtk2-engines-murrine on i386 -- lenny: 0.53.1-1; squeeze: 0.90.3-2; sid: 0.98.1.1-3; wheezy: 0.98.1.1-3 |
| 04:06.46 | somiaj | ,check-backport gtk2-engines-murrine |
| 04:06.47 | judd | Backporting package gtk2-engines-murrine in sid→squeeze/i386: all build-dependencies satisfied using squeeze. |
| 04:06.54 | somiaj | Joelito: /msg dpkg ssbp |
| 04:06.59 | somiaj | looks lke it should be easy to backport that engine |
| 04:07.09 | CookieJar | hmm, I take it a mount thing in /etc/fstab would be something like UUID=uuidcode /mnt/Media ntfs errors=remount-ro 0 1 |
| 04:07.13 | Joelito | oh, get it from backports |
| 04:07.28 | somiaj | Joelito: well it isn't in squeeze-backports, you'll have to compile your own |
| 04:07.43 | somiaj | CookieJar: isn't it ntfs-3g |
| 04:07.44 | Joelito | ah, ok...compiling -.- |
| 04:07.52 | CookieJar | that was just my guess |
| 04:07.55 | somiaj | Joelito: again /msg dpkg ssbp (simple instructions that should work) |
| 04:07.57 | CookieJar | it probably is ntfs-3g |
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| 04:20.36 | Lint | audacious is garbage |
| 04:20.47 | Lint | it cannot do gvfs |
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| 04:25.41 | RRT4 | Hi. Whenever I run anything that uses SDL (such as Doom II source ports), the game uses an insane amount of CPU, the audio is choppy and I am greeted by many messages reading 'ALSA lib pcm.c:7339:(snd_pcm_recover) underrun occurred' in my terminal. Can somebody explain what this is and/or help me fix it? The otherwise normal output of the PrBoom client is at 'http://paste.debian.net/hidden/d738699f/'. Thanks in advance. |
| 04:26.21 | overflow_0f8b | currently eating on my keyboard like a real c0der |
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| 04:30.28 | Lint | what is wheesy? |
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| 04:35.01 | Rusty1 | !wheezy |
| 04:35.01 | dpkg | The release after squeeze will be called "wheezy" (the rubber toy penguin with a red bow tie), and will be Debian 7.0. Ask me about <testing>. #debian-next on irc.debian.org. |
| 04:35.47 | Lint | and which i have now? |
| 04:36.26 | boudiccas | Lint; please do this ......... cat /etc/debian_version ..... and tell us what the answer is |
| 04:36.51 | Lint | it's whhesy/sid |
| 04:37.14 | boudiccas | Lint; its eithe r one or the other, it cant be both |
| 04:37.19 | boudiccas | either |
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| 04:37.48 | boudiccas | Lint; but that command will still help in telling you what you're running |
| 04:37.51 | Lint | there are two words separated by a slash |
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| 04:38.20 | me | hello everyone |
| 04:39.49 | Guest89714 | any one have links to good tutorials on configuring openvpn |
| 04:40.11 | Lint | is there a player for debian which does smb2 and doesn't depend on gstermer? |
| 04:40.11 | somiaj | Lint: apt-cache policy |
| 04:40.41 | boudiccas | Guest89714; yes, auntie google can help you out :) |
| 04:40.45 | somiaj | oh it changed, it use to say testing/unstable...yea /etc/debian_version isn't that useful, epsically for non-releases |
| 04:41.10 | Guest89714 | whats google? |
| 04:41.27 | boudiccas | Guest89714; troll! |
| 04:41.35 | Guest89714 | well sorta |
| 04:41.40 | Lint | world's largest spam corporation |
| 04:41.40 | Guest89714 | i came here instead of google |
| 04:41.51 | CookieJar | sometimes irc is better than google as you can talk with other people |
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| 04:43.17 | Lint | somiaj, it's just repository list with 500 prepended |
| 04:43.29 | Guest89714 | ok... so.... i got as far as creating ca.crt client.crt and client key but I have no idea what to do with those |
| 04:43.31 | Guest89714 | lol |
| 04:43.37 | somiaj | Lint: it should tell you what repos you are using. |
| 04:43.46 | Guest89714 | looking for a explicit tutorial |
| 04:43.54 | somiaj | Lint: so since your on either testing or unstable, it should tell you which one |
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| 04:44.01 | arubin | I have downloaded the firmware tarball. Is there some place I can put it on my USB drive where the installer will see it? |
| 04:44.08 | somiaj | Lint: could also check 'apt-cache policy libc6' the core libary |
| 04:44.21 | somiaj | arubin: I belive it is just / of the drive |
| 04:44.24 | arubin | I have it sitting right on the root of the drive, but the installer just keeps asking for other media. |
| 04:44.53 | arubin | somiaj: Should it be untarred? |
| 04:45.20 | somiaj | arubin: not sure, I do recall reading that in the install guide a bit ago. |
| 04:46.20 | Guest89714 | ok well im lost... |
| 04:46.38 | Guest89714 | peace and chicken grease |
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| 04:47.53 | somiaj | arubin: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch06s04.html.en |
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| 04:51.12 | arubin | somiaj: Thank you. |
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| 05:21.47 | sinorev | hi all, running 3.2.8, setting up RAID-1 with mdadm... /dev/md1 is my root directory /, and it is mounted as such in /etc/fstab and root=/dev/md1 in GRUB... However, when I 'df', I only see rootfs and /dev/root... Any suggestions? |
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| 05:27.25 | karlpinc | Guest24485: You feed them to the sample openvpn config file. You'll also need a server.crt for the server's config. (Really there's no difference between client and server except that you can tell the server to require a server cert and the client to require that the server has a server crt. |
| 05:28.29 | shifty | anyone else notice gdm fails to autologin occasionally? (can say for sure, but it seems to happen after 'aptitude safe-upgrade'.) |
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| 05:31.04 | msr1 | مرحبا |
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| 05:31.22 | msr1 | اريد تنصيب اللغة الانجليزيه للواجهه جنوم على ديبيان ؟ |
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| 05:33.06 | msr1 | ؟؟ |
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| 05:35.01 | shifty | msr1: it should be installed by default. |
| 05:35.01 | civillian | msr1: this is an english-only channel, please re-state your question in english |
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| 05:36.54 | msr1 | هاستخدم جوجل للترجمه . ثوانى |
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| 05:38.31 | msr1 | The installation of the English language for the interface GNOME؟ |
| 05:39.07 | msr1 | Now Arabic interface |
| 05:39.24 | msr1 | civillian |
| 05:40.42 | chelz | msr1: it should be installed. just change gnome to english |
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| 05:41.34 | msr1 | Language does not exist already during the change |
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| 05:42.37 | msr1 | chelz |
| 05:43.51 | msr1 | What is the installation of the interface English.? |
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| 05:46.10 | msr1 | ؟؟ |
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| 05:51.48 | arubin | What would cause Epiphany to not be able to resolve anything other than www.debian.org, ssh not to be able to resolve anything, but dig and host work fine? |
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| 05:55.19 | nevyn | broken nsswitch or nscd config? |
| 05:55.21 | nevyn | maybe. |
| 05:55.39 | nevyn | most likely broken nsswitch.conf |
| 05:55.45 | nevyn | gethostbyname() is broken |
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| 05:55.52 | nevyn | but dig/host don't use that call |
| 05:56.05 | nevyn | gtg |
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| 05:57.14 | arubin | It has been a long time since I have messed with nsswitch.conf. |
| 05:57.17 | arubin | hosts: files mdns4_minimal [NOTFOUND=return] dns mdns4 |
| 05:57.25 | arubin | Anything look wrong with that? |
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| 06:00.22 | ronin___ | hi all, when I enter sudo route and prompt password, I've got this error "sam is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported". Do u have any suggestion? |
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| 06:01.56 | cscolt | you are not in the super user file, do you have the root passoword? |
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| 06:02.45 | _jb | fixes around debian dumb. |
| 06:02.46 | kd123 | ronin___: add yourself to the sudo file... use 'visudo' |
| 06:03.21 | zykotick9 | ronin___: kd123 my suggestion would be to just add your user to the sudo group instead |
| 06:03.47 | ronin___ | could you help mor? How? |
| 06:03.55 | kd123 | zykotick9: yeah you could do that too |
| 06:04.03 | kd123 | that might be better |
| 06:05.39 | kd123 | zykotick9: couldn't he just issue the command 'adduser --group sudo'? |
| 06:05.49 | _jb | edited a few bits of the fai-setup and make-fai-nfsroot to get around the nfs3/nfs4 dumb |
| 06:06.10 | zykotick9 | kd123: to be honest i'd have to look it up... |
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| 06:07.05 | kd123 | zykotick9: yeah... the adduser command kinda fuzzy in my brain too |
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| 06:07.31 | kd123 | ronin___: open a terminal and type 'su'.... enter the root password |
| 06:07.44 | chelz | that would need a default sudoers group, which at least ebian lenny didn;t have, not sure about squeeze |
| 06:07.49 | zykotick9 | kd123: adduser [options] user group |
| 06:08.07 | ronin___ | kd123: Idid |
| 06:08.11 | ronin___ | kd123: I did |
| 06:08.26 | zykotick9 | chelz: squeeze has a sudo group that is referenced in sudoers |
| 06:08.45 | chelz | ah, good to know |
| 06:09.15 | kd123 | why did they add a sudo group to squeeze? |
| 06:09.19 | _jb | and, they failed. |
| 06:09.33 | kd123 | ronin___: are you on squeeze? |
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| 06:11.36 | ronin___ | kd123:insid |
| 06:11.46 | kd123 | oh sid? |
| 06:12.01 | chelz | _jb: ? |
| 06:12.56 | kd123 | ronin___: ok what's your user name? sam? |
| 06:13.38 | ronin___ | kd123: yes |
| 06:13.42 | _jb | chelz: nfs in debian squeeze wants to default to nfs4, vs nfs2/3 |
| 06:13.53 | _jb | it's a known issue, but it seems in 2 years no one has fixed it |
| 06:14.14 | _jb | and everyone must has patched it |
| 06:14.25 | _jb | er, must have patched around it |
| 06:14.31 | chelz | _jb: is there a bug report for the issue? |
| 06:14.32 | _jb | like i did |
| 06:15.06 | _jb | chelz: hold on, let me find it again |
| 06:16.09 | _jb | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=568194 |
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| 06:17.52 | _jb | i suspect a bunch of people don't notice it due to having nfs4 active in their kernels |
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| 06:20.08 | ronin___ | kd123: yes,it is |
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| 06:26.27 | ronin___ | any one can help me? How I can add mu user as a root for sudo? |
| 06:26.51 | _jb | ronin___: visudo |
| 06:27.27 | ronin___ | __jb: pls give more information? |
| 06:28.37 | kd123 | ronin___: ok then enter the command that zykotick9 referenced 'adduser sam sudo' |
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| 06:29.06 | kd123 | ronin___: sorry for the delay... I was busy |
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| 06:29.31 | ronin___ | kd123: thank you |
| 06:29.50 | kd123 | did that work? |
| 06:30.01 | ronin___ | kd123: no :( |
| 06:30.13 | kd123 | lol really ok |
| 06:30.23 | kd123 | ok then were going to do it the visudo way |
| 06:30.40 | kd123 | enter 'nano visudo' |
| 06:31.04 | kd123 | wait wait lol |
| 06:31.12 | kd123 | just enter 'visudo' |
| 06:31.15 | _jb | EDITOR=nano visudo |
| 06:31.29 | ronin___ | kd123: ok i did |
| 06:32.08 | kd123 | ronin___: ok scroll down until you see '%sudo ALL=(ALL) ALL' |
| 06:32.10 | kd123 | do you see it |
| 06:32.21 | ronin___ | kd123: yes |
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| 06:32.40 | kd123 | ok type under it '%sam ALL=(ALL) ALL' |
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| 06:32.49 | kd123 | minus the quotes |
| 06:33.02 | kd123 | then hit ctrl+O to save it |
| 06:33.09 | kd123 | then hit ctrl+X to exit |
| 06:33.48 | qdb | hello this time i logged in , sound do not work, seems default output changed, test with aplay -D plughw:nForce2 /... works |
| 06:34.02 | ronin___ | kd123: what do u mean minus the quotes |
| 06:34.18 | kd123 | ronin___: I mean just type this: |
| 06:34.28 | kd123 | %sam ALL=(ALL) ALL |
| 06:34.31 | kd123 | not this: |
| 06:34.42 | kd123 | '%sam ALL=(ALL) ALL' |
| 06:34.45 | ronin___ | kd123: that is |
| 06:34.53 | kd123 | yeah now save it |
| 06:34.55 | kd123 | and exit |
| 06:35.17 | kd123 | qbd: try 'alsactl init' |
| 06:35.24 | ronin___ | kd123: ok, let me test |
| 06:35.30 | kd123 | ok |
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| 06:35.57 | ronin___ | kd123: thank you,that's work |
| 06:36.18 | kd123 | ronin___: great |
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| 06:37.59 | hideo | hi guys, i've run into a weird problem, dpkg-reconfigure tzdata does not change my timezone |
| 06:38.02 | hideo | any ideas? |
| 06:38.08 | qdb | and i want to say a bug report: when i press alt ctrl after i log in, it do not change keymap, it starts to work after i change keymap parameters . this was not some time ago , so i tlooks like my system is changed |
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| 06:46.17 | somethinginteres | Silly question, if I set up SSH on my box and someone uploads a file to my computer does that count towards bandwidth limits or is it like the uploading PC is basically on my LAN i.e. no "download"? |
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| 06:49.05 | somiaj | somethinginteres: depends on where they are uploading the file from. |
| 06:49.20 | kallisti | so when I open YouTube videos occasionally the video won't play |
| 06:49.32 | kd123 | hideo: you might want to install ntp to sync time with online servers |
| 06:49.33 | kallisti | the player appears and begins buffering, I can press pause and play, but the video/audio isn't moving. |
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| 06:49.59 | kd123 | kallisti: are you using gnash or flash-non-free? |
| 06:50.06 | kallisti | flashplugin-nonfree |
| 06:50.14 | kallisti | or well, I might have both installed actually. |
| 06:50.20 | kallisti | would that cause a problem? |
| 06:50.21 | hideo | kd123: ok, but i've recently moved and i cannot change my timezone with dpkg-reconfigure tzdata |
| 06:50.30 | hideo | kd123: do you have any ideas? |
| 06:50.31 | somethinginteres | somiaj: it wouldn't be from a PC on my LAN |
| 06:50.36 | hideo | i have ntp |
| 06:50.56 | somiaj | somethinginteres: if the data goes though your isp and they monintor/keep track it will count. |
| 06:50.59 | kallisti | no, no gnash. nevermind |
| 06:51.35 | kd123 | kallisti: yeah gnash would cause an issue if you had it |
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| 06:52.10 | kd123 | hideo: did you run dpkg-reconfigure tzdata as sudo? |
| 06:52.19 | hideo | no, as root |
| 06:52.52 | kd123 | hideo: ok same thing... i don't know why it wouldn't work... maybe you need to log out and log back in |
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| 06:53.32 | hideo | i've tried that, it did not work. I'm puzzled |
| 06:53.46 | somethinginteres | somiaj: OK |
| 06:53.49 | kd123 | kallisti: I don't know what your problem could be... buffering? lol |
| 06:54.16 | kd123 | hideo: what's your bios clock set at? |
| 06:54.25 | kallisti | yeah I don't know |
| 06:54.39 | hideo | kd123: utc |
| 06:54.43 | kallisti | youtube is doing a html5 video trail, could that cause problems? |
| 06:54.48 | kallisti | *trial |
| 06:55.08 | kd123 | hmmm... well hideo... I'm stumped. Sorry |
| 06:55.10 | hideo | kd123: but the system keeps EST, my old zone. I want to switch to MST now |
| 06:55.22 | kd123 | kallisti... yeah maybe |
| 06:55.23 | hideo | kd123: thanks though |
| 06:55.59 | somethinginteres | somiaj: might not be such an issue since I can't get openssh-server installed anyhow. See: http://pastebin.com/Z0FvAE46 |
| 06:56.00 | kallisti | using google chrome. |
| 06:56.24 | kd123 | hideo... you're welcome.... I bet there is a file somewhere that dpkg-reconfigure tzdata writes to... if you could find that file maybe you could edit it manually |
| 06:57.05 | kallisti | oh, hm, it's not buffering this time...? |
| 06:57.06 | kd123 | kallisti... try iceweasel. That's what I use and I don't have many issues. |
| 06:57.34 | kallisti | I would think chrome has html5 support and if it's a flash issue then that would unrelated to browser choice I would think.. |
| 06:57.40 | somiaj | somethinginteres: looks like you have some unoffical init scripts in /etc/init.d/ and update-rc.d is faling because of loops and bad LSB headers/dependencies |
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| 06:57.56 | kd123 | yeah that makes sense |
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| 07:00.21 | somethinginteres | somiaj: I bet it's VMware. Had to use a workaround to get it going on a > 3.0 kernel |
| 07:00.50 | somiaj | somethinginteres: would be my guess to. You can try to hunt them down |
| 07:01.03 | somiaj | somethinginteres: http://wiki.debian.org/LSBInitScripts |
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| 07:10.16 | somethinginteres | somiaj: post number 7 here http://communities.vmware.com/thread/337769 fixed my problem. I have no idea what it did The wiki page went over my head a bit. . |
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| 07:11.43 | somiaj | somethinginteres: I just pointed you to some documentation on the LSB headers, that fix gave you some correct LSB headers |
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| 07:14.37 | somethinginteres | somiaj: cool. I'll have a closer read later to understand it. |
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| 07:15.15 | somiaj | somethinginteres: using google and finding better help was a good call. I was just giving a generic this is what is wrong pointer. |
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| 07:19.04 | avernos | while installing software, is there any way to stop it and select a different mirror? |
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| 07:19.22 | avernos | with debian installation |
| 07:19.52 | somiaj | avernos: are you at the downloading stage, if so hit ctrl-C |
| 07:19.55 | somiaj | if you are at any other stage don't |
| 07:20.29 | avernos | im downloading stage, but ctrl-C just stops each download process not the whole downloading process |
| 07:20.32 | somiaj | avernos: oh you at the last part of the debian-install process. You have a base system and rebooted into your install right? |
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| 07:20.58 | avernos | i think there is about 800 more packages to go, so hitting ctrl+C 800 more times, is something i want to avoid |
| 07:21.09 | avernos | somiaj, yes, thats right |
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| 07:21.32 | somiaj | avernos: open up another console, ctrl-alt-f2 and kill the process. |
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| 07:21.50 | avernos | oh.. |
| 07:22.00 | avernos | what process should i look for? |
| 07:22.11 | somiaj | avernos: you may have to rerun tasksel and the likes |
| 07:22.25 | somiaj | avernos: probaly tasksel / apt-get / aptitidue |
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| 07:22.55 | scientes_ | i think somebody here could use apt-cacher-ng |
| 07:22.56 | somiaj | avernos: shouldn't mess anything up if you are in the downloading stage, but I have never done this with tasksel during the install |
| 07:23.01 | scientes_ | its great |
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| 07:23.46 | avernos | somiaj, no worries, if it goes wrong its probably better than the wait of almost a day.. i gotta change that mirror... |
| 07:24.43 | avernos | how do i search for the process? cant use #top |
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| 07:26.41 | somiaj | avernos: ps fax |
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| 07:34.21 | avernos | ps fax didnt work, no options worked from the man page. but i got lucky and found it with ps.. seems like i didnt need to rerun tasksel or apt-get.. |
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| 07:35.27 | somiaj | avernos: correct. |
| 07:36.03 | avernos | :D thanks |
| 07:36.18 | somethinginteres | somiaj: yeah for sure. Once I knew the general problem I could explore my problem more specifically. Thanks. |
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| 07:47.03 | gisbox | i have a problem with playing video, but audio works fine ; i am running debian 64bit wheezy with ATI properitory driver (from web site) --- help would be welcome |
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| 07:47.57 | gisbox | i have a problem with playing video, but audio works fine ; i am running debian 64bit wheezy with ATI properitory driver (from web site) --- help would be welcome |
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| 07:48.08 | somiaj | gisbox: xvinfo is one place to look, also check out /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 07:48.29 | gisbox | ok |
| 07:48.32 | somiaj | gisbox: also on testing check the bts, it may have info about it, I'd check the fglrx-driver package |
| 07:48.36 | ompaul | gisbox: you should have stayed in the other channel - |
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| 07:48.56 | ompaul | or at least reentered you can't paste large chunks in channel |
| 07:49.01 | gisbox | ompaul i tried the bot or someone kicked me |
| 07:49.10 | ompaul | gisbox: you could have reentered |
| 07:49.20 | ompaul | you were kicked to stop a flood |
| 07:49.29 | gisbox | tried i was set to :+i couldn't |
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| 07:50.13 | ompaul | same will happen here - note paste.debian.net and what you are saying is the install of a proprietary driver killed your codecs |
| 07:50.24 | ompaul | I never heard of such a thing - it makes no sense to me |
| 07:50.29 | gisbox | yes |
| 07:50.33 | gisbox | its weird i know |
| 07:51.03 | gisbox | i was on squeeze i installed the prop driver their , it worked fine on wheezy this happnes |
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| 07:52.18 | ompaul | gisbox: as I said, never came across it before - however you mention wheezy please try to reinstall codecs |
| 07:52.41 | ompaul | gisbox: basic problem here appears to be conflation from where I'm sitting but I could be wrong |
| 07:52.42 | gisbox | ok on it now |
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| 07:56.11 | gisbox | weird when i tried to reinstall its gives me : Unable to locate package others |
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| 07:58.54 | gisbox | can anyone tell me the multimedia respository for debian wheezy working one? |
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| 08:00.03 | Vasistha | gisbox: are you refering to debian-multimedia.org ? deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org wheezy main non-free |
| 08:00.14 | gisbox | yes |
| 08:00.15 | gisbox | thanks |
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| 08:02.12 | ompaul | gisbox: don't take the applications only the codecs |
| 08:02.26 | ompaul | gisbox: or you'll find yourself with more than you bargained for |
| 08:02.50 | ompaul | gisbox: it has some applications that have libraries that are not the same as wheezy |
| 08:03.07 | gisbox | apt-get install w64codecs, libdvdcss2, vlc, mozilla-mplayer, gstreamer0.10-fluendo-mp3, ffmpeg, sox, twolame, vorbis-tools, lame, faad ----- getting me unable to locate package |
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| 08:04.02 | gisbox | i am using : deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org wheezy main non-free -- respository |
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| 08:46.04 | lynks | i am trying to install an older version of php as cgi on debian, alongside the current version as an apache module. how would i go about this using apt? |
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| 08:50.56 | TechDesk | http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=XK2dwTVi-aQ |
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| 08:56.28 | M4dH4tt3r | has 1 hour left to wait for a fresh copy of debian to finish downloading |
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| 09:17.39 | bool | shouldnt debian have a /etc/initd.conf or xinitd.conf or something? |
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| 09:23.51 | jelly | bool: do you mean /etc/inetd.conf? |
| 09:24.32 | sephii | lynks: add the repository containing the older version of php-cgi in your sources.list and apt-get install it with -t? |
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| 09:25.04 | jelly | bool: it's only there if you install inetutils-inetd or one of its replacements |
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| 09:26.13 | jelly | bool: I think openbsd-inetd is the default now. aptitude search '~P inet-superserver' |
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| 09:28.38 | bool | inet-superserver is not installed. how is daemons handled by default in debian? |
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| 09:29.55 | jelly | depends on the daemon in question. |
| 09:30.37 | jelly | bool: btw. you'll never see an "inet-superserver" installed, it's a virtual package that some other, real packages, provide |
| 09:31.07 | bool | ahh |
| 09:31.18 | bool | so whats the name of the configfile? |
| 09:31.33 | jelly | depends on which one you installed! |
| 09:32.02 | bool | i havent installed anything directly. i use default install of debian and apt-get apache and php |
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| 09:32.32 | jelly | bool: ok. Is there a real problem you're trying to solve? |
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| 09:33.39 | bool | jelly: i am trying to find out what network daemons that debian fires up, so i can remove the ones i don't need. i want to learn more about security |
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| 09:35.01 | jelly | bool: netstat -tupln |
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| 09:35.55 | bool | thanks |
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| 09:36.20 | jelly | bool: ask the bot: /msg dpkg open ports |
| 09:36.44 | bool | will do |
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| 09:37.32 | bool | btw.. dpkg should have an index command :p |
| 09:37.52 | bool | like help for instance :p |
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| 09:39.08 | jelly | bool: /msg dpkg your factoids |
| 09:40.55 | jelly | it does have a help command as well. |
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| 09:44.25 | bool | yeah. i noticed :p do i need to reboot in order to make changes in hosts.deny and hosts.allow take effect ? |
| 09:45.07 | sephii | bool: no |
| 09:45.46 | mh__ | hi.. i have a problem, i use debian / openbox / roxterm.. but i love the tango color schema, but i dont know how to change setting permanent, can someone help? i have read i can make a file .gtkrc-2.0, gtk-icon-theme-name = 'Tango' but it does not help.. can someone help? |
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| 09:46.05 | bool | i have placed ALL : ALL inside hosts.deny, but i can still view my apaches web-site over localhost. i thought i had to make an exception for localhost? |
| 09:46.08 | sephii | bool: the only reason you'd want to reboot is if you make a change to your kernel, other operations usually don't require a reboot |
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| 09:46.42 | bool | sephii, ill remember that :) |
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| 09:48.41 | mh__ | oh.. i could just click on the configuration manager.. that did the trick.. :/ stupid |
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| 09:49.53 | joar | I have problems with Google Chrome locking up pulseaudio in the sense that if I play <audio> or <video> with audio in Google Chrome, I have no sound left. any media player will just do _nothing_ when I click play. |
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| 09:50.07 | joar | This is persistent. |
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| 09:50.26 | joar | until I shut down Google Chrome. |
| 09:50.27 | jelly | joar: that sounds as if it's not using pulseaudio at all |
| 09:50.48 | Zitter | hi, a program to listen to the web radios? |
| 09:50.55 | joar | jelly: there are more(?!), so I presume Chrome is using alsa |
| 09:51.17 | joar | Zitter: Depends on what kind of stream the web radio provides, try miro or VLC |
| 09:51.19 | jelly | joar: you ought to be able to see the application in pavucontrol while it's playing |
| 09:51.45 | bool | so if i place ALL: ALL in my hosts.deny I should be very secure? |
| 09:52.18 | sephii | bool: if you want to be really secure, unplug your network cable |
| 09:52.26 | joar | jelly: And that is the indication that it uses the PA server, correcct? |
| 09:52.33 | bool | sephii, lol |
| 09:52.36 | joar | s/cct/ct/ |
| 09:53.02 | sephii | bool: i think you'd better setup a firewall instead, like iptables |
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| 09:53.41 | jelly | joar: correct |
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| 09:53.53 | bool | sephii, i have to learn how first. i haven't got that far yet. still trying to understand different types of attacks, how they do it etc |
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| 09:55.02 | joar | jelly: Yeah, no, Chrome is not using PA |
| 09:55.07 | devol | hg |
| 09:55.17 | jelly | silly chrome. |
| 09:55.37 | devol | hai jelly |
| 09:55.38 | joar | still, why does whatever Chrome uses block the PA server? |
| 09:55.51 | joar | can't the sound servers just coexist? |
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| 09:56.54 | joar | and vice versa, if I play through PA, Chrome won't allow me to play anything, it even grays out the volume control of the <audio> tag |
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| 09:59.45 | jelly | joar: it's not using any sound server. you'll have to figure out how to make the app use PA instead |
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| 10:02.47 | joar | jelly: jelly http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=32757#c27 |
| 10:03.43 | colo-work | if it's using ALSA directly (and I bet it is), you can reroute it using PA instead. there's a PA-backend for ALSA (whilst PA will still use ALSA as it's backend for this backend. yeah. that's about right. bottom line is, it works. due to magic.) |
| 10:04.26 | joar | colo-work: That's what the link says too, still thanks :) |
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| 10:07.14 | joar | sadly, the link http://pulseaudio.org/wiki/PerfectSetup#ALSAApplications returns a 500 |
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| 10:18.03 | devol | #debian |
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| 10:23.27 | joar | found a bit about it on P |
| 10:23.44 | joar | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PulseAudio, works like a charm, thanks jelly :) |
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| 10:31.23 | Truepid | can any one tell me about the configuration file that stores default window manager conf |
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| 10:35.01 | joar | which window manager? |
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| 11:11.44 | jpinx | ok - so I want a package (fdisk or cfdisk) as a download to install manually when offline. How do I find it in packages.debian.org ? |
| 11:13.55 | DelTree | you just want the .deb file ? |
| 11:13.58 | bzed | jpinx: use the search on packages.debian.org? |
| 11:14.01 | sephii | jpinx: you can use apt-get -d which will only download it |
| 11:14.02 | bzed | jpinx: or use apt-zip |
| 11:14.33 | jpinx | I'm using an XP to connect and get the package |
| 11:14.56 | jpinx | bzed: the search is wesite wide- not package specific like it used to be |
| 11:15.01 | bzed | jpinx: enter the package name into the search on packages.debian.org and follow the links. |
| 11:15.41 | bzed | jpinx: no, its not. |
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| 11:17.50 | jpinx | bzed: gotcha -- they have moved the search tool down the page and left the website-wide search at the top -- my cofusion ;) |
| 11:18.01 | jpinx | bzed: thanks |
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| 11:20.19 | Guest23850 | ciao |
| 11:20.21 | Guest23850 | !list |
| 11:20.22 | dpkg | guest23850: È possibile di scaricare un sacco di software libero puntando il tuo browser a http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-6.0.4-amd64-i386-netinst.iso ! |
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| 11:21.58 | gypsymauro | hi |
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| 11:25.39 | gypsymauro | I've a client with one NIC for my lan, and I've another NIC where I will attach some network devices, routers or switch for examples, there is a wa to make that device take ip address via dhcp but that doesn't change routing table? |
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| 11:38.54 | jpinx | I'm finding lots of broken links in the mirrors pages of p.d.o -- where can they be reported? |
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| 12:03.02 | b4h4 | Hi there? what does mean "missing LSB tags and overrides" |
| 12:03.05 | b4h4 | ??? |
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| 12:05.10 | gribouille | hi |
| 12:05.34 | gribouille | does dpkg-buildpackage suppress *.bak files? |
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| 12:07.09 | b4h4 | i dont know |
| 12:07.20 | b4h4 | how may i check it |
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| 12:08.28 | whon | Hello |
| 12:08.37 | babilen | !tell b4h4 -about missing lsb tags |
| 12:08.43 | whon | I wonder is there's a way to install a newer version of the torrent client "Transmission", in debian stable |
| 12:09.01 | ksk | !tell whon about backports |
| 12:09.18 | whon | !tell |
| 12:09.24 | whon | ? |
| 12:09.41 | ksk | see query from dpkg.. |
| 12:09.47 | babilen | b4h4: You presumably have either a bunch of legacy init scripts on your system from removed, but not purged packages or locally maintained ones. The former can be found (and purged) with "aptitude search ~c" and "aptitude purge ~c" -- The latter need to be adopted. Also see /etc/init.d/README and /etc/init.d/skeleton |
| 12:09.48 | whon | oh, thanks, that's useful! |
| 12:09.57 | ksk | :) |
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| 12:11.01 | whon | I can only find backports for lenny, but I'm using Squeeze... |
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| 12:11.22 | babilen | ,versions transmission |
| 12:11.24 | judd | Package: transmission on i386 -- lenny: 1.22-1+lenny2; lenny-security: 1.22-1+lenny2; lenny-backports: 1.77-1~bpo50+2; squeeze: 2.03-2; wheezy: 2.33-2; sid: 2.50-1 |
| 12:11.30 | babilen | ,checkbackport transmission |
| 12:11.34 | judd | Backporting package transmission in sid→squeeze/i386: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: libgtk-3-dev, libnotify-dev (>= 0.7), qt4-linguist-tools, libnatpmp-dev (>= 20110808). |
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| 12:12.12 | whon | so, it's not possible, right? |
| 12:12.24 | babilen | whon: You are out of luck -- Backporting that package is likely to be a lot of work or more or less impossible due to unsatisfiable build dependencies (see above ^^^) that have to be backported as well. |
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| 12:13.02 | whon | ok, that's what I wanted to know. Because there's an annoying bug in trasmission that i hoped to solve, but anyway... |
| 12:13.54 | whon | so another way would be upgrading the whole system from stable to testing, right? |
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| 12:14.31 | babilen | whon: yes |
| 12:14.37 | whon | ok |
| 12:14.41 | whon | maybe another day... |
| 12:14.43 | whon | thank you! |
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| 12:15.00 | babilen | whon: With all the problems that come along with it (no security support at all, moving target, bugs galore, ...) |
| 12:15.08 | whon | i see |
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| 12:19.01 | WormFood | is there a better way to hot remove a hard drive, other than issuing an hdparm -Y command to that drive? |
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| 12:32.23 | HcE | any recommendations where I could discuss the multi repo tool developed by Joey Hess? I'd like to figure out how to simplify my .mrconfig. |
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| 12:32.32 | kripz_ | how do i permanently enable jumbo frames? |
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| 12:36.14 | tapout | my php install is looking for /usr/sbin/sendmail, but it doesn't exist. I want to install postfix or something but not have postfix running, any ideas? |
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| 12:39.42 | ksk | tapout: debian forces you to have one mta |
| 12:40.06 | ksk | you could just symlink /usr/sbin/sendmail to your mta ( wondering why this did not happen automagicly ) |
| 12:40.37 | ksk | if your php scripts dont do sendmail specific shit it should work fine |
| 12:41.39 | DelTree | you could use nullmailer or ssmtp |
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| 12:42.40 | tapout | i just installed exim4 and did the dpkg-reconfigure, at least it's only localhost :) |
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| 12:47.04 | npmapn | Hello. I've tried to build a package from testing on stable. What hast to be done to fix the "dh: Sorry, but 8 is the highest compatibility level supported by this debhelper." errors? |
| 12:47.08 | npmapn | has * |
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| 12:48.08 | DelTree | npmapn: then find the place it states the debhelper compatibility... and write "8" there... |
| 12:48.12 | Iridos | judd, versions debhelper |
| 12:48.13 | judd | Package: debhelper on i386 -- lenny: 7.0.15; lenny-backports: 8.0.0~bpo50+2; squeeze: 8.0.0; squeeze-backports: 9.20120115~bpo60+1; sid: 9.20120115; wheezy: 9.20120115 |
| 12:48.27 | npmapn | Ok, got it, thank you. |
| 12:48.43 | Iridos | npmapn, install a newer debhelper from squeeze-backports? |
| 12:49.02 | Iridos | --> /msg dpkg backports |
| 12:49.03 | npmapn | Yes, I understood that's what I've got to do when I saw the version in backports, thank you. |
| 12:49.06 | DelTree | oh... squeeze-backports... |
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| 13:03.13 | aleray_ | hi, I'm looking for a caldav server. I found 2: davical and calendarserver. I don't know which one to instal. Do any of you have experience with it? |
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| 13:05.46 | timkofu | hi |
| 13:05.56 | timkofu | whats the best way to match a domain in IPTables? |
| 13:06.24 | szonek | the best way is to not match a domain |
| 13:06.36 | timkofu | not an option |
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| 13:06.47 | phaer | Is it possible to install a bootloader (grub, lilo or syslinux, i don't care) into an image file without a corresponding device file? |
| 13:06.53 | szonek | timkofu: why? |
| 13:07.16 | timkofu | szonek: the domains im thinking of have frequently changing IPs |
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| 13:07.32 | timkofu | but the domain name is the same for the resources |
| 13:07.39 | Iridos | aleray_, no, but look at the package description with apt-cache show <packagename> - it also lists the homepages http://calendarserver.org http://davical.org/ - you could also look which one is more popular in debian |
| 13:07.47 | Iridos | dpkg, tell aleray_ about popcon |
| 13:07.52 | szonek | timkofu: afaik you can't do much about it |
| 13:08.09 | szonek | timkofu: domain is resolved only once when you add a rule |
| 13:08.53 | timkofu | szonek: mmmm ... ok, thanks |
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| 13:09.10 | szonek | timkofu: you can match IP address pool if there is one |
| 13:10.28 | timkofu | szonek: pythons socket.getaddrinfo() is able to determine the IPAddress pool given the hostname and service port |
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| 13:10.37 | timkofu | so I'll use that to generate the pool |
| 13:11.40 | npmapn | It looks like the lxc scripts are broken. |
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| 13:12.54 | npmapn | http://pastebin.com/JCFxSryA |
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| 13:21.20 | dokma | anyone has any idea why would fstat64 spend 2.5 seconds on a mysql library (called from php) |
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| 13:27.30 | TeriiTaria | Happy to announce that as of today all government servers on the islands run on debian. This is a major project including over 2000 installations and we aim to continue the spread to all municipal servers by the end of 2012. |
| 13:27.49 | TeriiTaria | we also aim to spread the usage of this o/s across the water to neighbouring islands. |
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| 13:28.47 | simone | ciao |
| 13:28.53 | simone | !list |
| 13:28.53 | dpkg | VATTENE VIA! |
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| 13:29.14 | simone | vaffanculo |
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| 13:30.28 | themill | ahh... lovely to see simone and dpkg getting on so well |
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| 13:30.56 | themill | simone: no warez here. |
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| 13:31.26 | dokma | TeriiTaria: which island? |
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| 13:32.39 | TeriiTaria | island of bora bora, in french polynesia |
| 13:33.13 | TeriiTaria | we are in the south pacific, roughly midway between america and australia. |
| 13:33.19 | dokma | TeriiTaria: so you will be saving 2000x the cost of M$ crap? |
| 13:33.34 | TeriiTaria | yes :D |
| 13:33.43 | dokma | that's a shitload of money |
| 13:34.05 | TeriiTaria | The french government had struck a deal with microsoft to buy windows nt many years ago and had forced us to pay for it |
| 13:34.09 | dokma | and a big victory for open source |
| 13:34.29 | Iridos | is there a fight? |
| 13:34.33 | Iridos | or a war? |
| 13:34.37 | TeriiTaria | Sorry? |
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| 13:34.54 | babilen | TeriiTaria: Do you have a Debian related question we can help you with? |
| 13:34.55 | dokma | TeriiTaria: great stuff, I'm glad to hear it |
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| 13:35.26 | TeriiTaria | babilen just an announcement |
| 13:35.29 | TeriiTaria | its offtopic. |
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| 13:36.17 | babilen | TeriiTaria: Please do not announce off-topic things in this channel. There are multiple off-topic channels on this network such as #defocus or #debian-offtopic that are appropriate. Thank you for your understanding. |
| 13:36.40 | babilen | Or rather: No announcements in here at all (even about things that seem to be Debian related) |
| 13:36.41 | TeriiTaria | ok thank you. |
| 13:36.51 | babilen | np, have fun :) |
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| 13:37.41 | aleray_ | Iridios: thanks. How can I check the license btw? |
| 13:37.49 | babilen | TeriiTaria: You are welcome to discuss this in #debian-offtopic (if that wasn't clear already) |
| 13:38.13 | swaggi | sup suxaz |
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| 13:39.57 | babilen | swaggi: Beg you pardon? Do you need help with something? |
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| 13:40.29 | Ryccardo | Hey, I'm installing Debian (with "expert […] desktop=lxde") and the "install extra software" part is taking a lot of time (this is always repeatable regardless of target UI and local or SSH install) -- how much should it take on average? Download speed is about 2mbit/s, CPU is 800MHz… |
| 13:40.49 | abrotman | Ryccardo: how long ohave you waited? |
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| 13:41.23 | Ryccardo | abrotman: it's running perfectly, but it always takes ~1,5 hours on that ssytem |
| 13:41.33 | chogath | hello |
| 13:41.57 | chogath | is it possible to realize quota for users without modifying fstab? |
| 13:42.01 | abrotman | Ryccardo: also depends on drive speed and RAM .. 1.5Hrs doesn't sound awful .. it's downloading a lot of stuff, unpacking .. 800Mhz isn't fast |
| 13:43.34 | jhutchins_lt | chogath: Why? |
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| 13:44.12 | chogath | jhutchins_lt: because i'm on a vserver and fstab is somehow empty |
| 13:44.19 | jhutchins_lt | chogath: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Quota.html |
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| 13:44.41 | jhutchins_lt | chogath: Contact your provider then. |
| 13:45.07 | abrotman | how does that URL help him ? |
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| 13:45.52 | jhutchins_lt | abrotman: That's the quota howto, abrotman, it explains what's necessary to implement quotas. As I recall there's nothing you can do without a valid fstab, but if there is it's in there. |
| 13:46.26 | abrotman | so .. not helpful |
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| 13:46.42 | jhutchins_lt | abrotman: Please solve it for him and I will watch carefully. |
| 13:46.56 | abrotman | i didn't pretend i knew the answer .. you always do |
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| 13:47.52 | swaggi | oh dammmmmn it's getting heated, gonna fight? |
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| 13:48.52 | abrotman | swaggi: do you need help with Debian? |
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| 13:50.05 | mavez | I predict a riot |
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| 13:50.33 | chogath | well |
| 13:50.49 | chogath | how can i check for active mount options without using the fstab file? |
| 13:50.59 | chogath | maybe i already have quota support in my fs |
| 13:51.00 | chogath | :X |
| 13:51.07 | abrotman | swaggi: Do you need help with Debian ? |
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| 13:53.03 | Iridos | chogath, doesn't running "mount" say? |
| 13:53.41 | chogath | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:54.14 | avernos | what do i need to be able to use other protocols with empathy? other than google and facebook... |
| 13:54.33 | abrotman | avernos: such as ? |
| 13:55.31 | avernos | msn |
| 13:55.33 | Iridos | chogath, hm, FS-independent defaults are (according to manpage) rw, suid, dev, exec, auto, nouser, and async. Dunno if there are FS-dependent ones |
| 13:55.48 | avernos | abrotman, QQ would be nice too, but i doubt its really working |
| 13:55.49 | abrotman | avernos: empathy cannot do MSN, try pidgin |
| 13:55.55 | abrotman | wtf is QQ ? |
| 13:56.22 | swaggi | A crying emotion |
| 13:56.29 | swaggi | Q_Q |
| 13:56.31 | avernos | abrotman, mainly chinese users.. |
| 13:56.53 | abrotman | avernos: ah okay .. well at any rate, empathy primarily does XMPP |
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| 13:57.39 | avernos | abrotman, it worked a while ago with other protocols? or memory is playing tricks on me.. |
| 13:57.44 | themill | swaggi: perhaps you were looking for #defocus to play in. |
| 13:58.48 | abrotman | dpkg: empathy |
| 13:58.49 | dpkg | Empathy is a cross-platform multi-protocol instant messaging client, providing a rich set of reusable instant messaging widgets for the <GNOME> desktop. Included in GNOME since version 2.24. http://live.gnome.org/Empathy/FAQ http://live.gnome.org/Empathy #telepathy on irc.freenode.org. |
| 13:59.10 | abrotman | really thought it was XMPP only |
| 13:59.18 | abrotman | avernos: at any rate .. try pidgin |
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| 13:59.53 | avernos | abrotman, will do, ty |
| 14:00.00 | abrotman | avernos: the website says it does others too .. perhaps MSN changed something |
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| 14:00.53 | Ryccardo | This is a correct sudoers entry, right? "riki ALL=NOPASSWD:ALL" |
| 14:01.22 | abrotman | avernos: the empathy stuff relies on transports .. see the live.gnome.org/Empathy |
| 14:02.07 | charodey_x | This is a Russian channel? If not, please tell me |
| 14:02.42 | notau | no |
| 14:02.47 | abrotman | !tell charodey_x about ru |
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| 14:23.34 | NishaKitty | anyone know how to show package contents via the console? |
| 14:23.37 | danilom | is there a way to stop the cron for only a user? |
| 14:23.44 | NishaKitty | I keep using synamtic to show it but I was hoping for a console command |
| 14:24.03 | NishaKitty | (package contents/file list/etc) |
| 14:24.13 | Ryccardo | NishaKitty: apt-cache IIRC |
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| 14:24.24 | NishaKitty | Ryccardo: testing it thanks |
| 14:24.32 | dvs | NishaKitty: dpkg -L |
| 14:25.23 | NishaKitty | dvs: thanks |
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| 14:27.03 | jargon-_ | can someone help me with this? http://dpaste.org/e34Vp/ coming from http://wiki.debian.org/wl#Squeeze, the modprobe leaves me without a wifi interface and wl is not foudn |
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| 14:32.32 | NishaKitty | has anyone noticed that pidgin's notify sounds are really quiet? |
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| 14:33.33 | binarym | if met this strange behaviour on an debian stable (filesystem is mounted rw, i didn't tweak anything about security) : http://pastebin.com/Rrk0Ndra |
| 14:33.48 | binarym | anybody got an idea ? |
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| 14:34.40 | dvs | jargon-: Something must have gone wrong with the m-a step. |
| 14:35.26 | nkuttler | binarym: check the parent dir permissions |
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| 14:36.45 | Iridos | what? no |
| 14:36.56 | Iridos | . is drwxr-xr-x 11 root root |
| 14:37.05 | Iridos | and hence he's not allowed to remove the file |
| 14:37.35 | binarym | but nobody own the file, isn't it enought to give him the right to remove file ? |
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| 14:38.53 | Ryccardo | deleting files is only related to whether you can "write" in its folder (unless the file is "sticky", which that isn't) |
| 14:38.58 | Iridos | no, need to be allowed to write to the directory |
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| 14:39.20 | Iridos | binarym, by deleting the file, you "write to the directoy file", so need write access |
| 14:39.35 | binarym | Iridos: yeah ... now you told me, it seems obvious ... |
| 14:39.37 | Iridos | binarym, you can modify the file, but not delete it |
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| 14:40.02 | binarym | you're right :) my 'unix perm' is a bit rusty :) |
| 14:40.16 | Iridos | binarym, I'm not sure the behavior is the same on all unixes either |
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| 14:41.44 | Ryccardo | Iridos: afaik r+w have always been implemented the same way, however x on folders and s+t got many interpretations |
| 14:42.33 | Iridos | s on directories isn't so clear |
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| 14:42.50 | Iridos | x on directories I've never heard to have any other meaning |
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| 14:45.38 | L3top | Morning. |
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| 14:45.59 | kba | What is the package 'memcache' for? 'whatis memcache' returns 'memcache: nothing appropriate.'. (Don't confuse it with memcached) |
| 14:46.07 | L3top | Does anyone know if the d-i preseed/late_command is still functioning? |
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| 14:46.20 | kba | and it's almost impossible to google, because everything that shows up is memcached or misspellings thereof |
| 14:46.35 | CruX| | L3top d-i ? |
| 14:46.36 | simonlnu | they're the same |
| 14:46.42 | ksk | kba: how to find the package? |
| 14:46.55 | L3top | post install command debian-installer for live distros |
| 14:46.55 | simonlnu | apt-cache search memcache ... |
| 14:47.12 | simonlnu | L3top: should be... ask in #debian-boot on OFTC |
| 14:47.18 | L3top | ty |
| 14:47.30 | ksk | simonlnu: there is no package by that name, im not asking for how to work with apt |
| 14:48.11 | simonlnu | no, there isn't, that's why i said that. |
| 14:48.19 | simonlnu | sighs |
| 14:48.59 | kba | 'apt-get install memcache' |
| 14:49.09 | kba | simonlnu: how do you use memcache then? |
| 14:49.34 | simonlnu | your app has to support it first |
| 14:49.51 | simonlnu | there's apis for just about every language out there |
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| 14:52.01 | kba | simonlnu: The problem is you can't use it the same way as memcached |
| 14:52.20 | kba | I realized this becuase I had just reinstalled Debian and suddenly my memcached-enabled applications didn't work, so I installed 'memcache' |
| 14:52.37 | Iridos | perhaps someone would enlighten ksk and me what package kba means |
| 14:52.44 | kba | but realized that it didn't work which bepuzzled me, so instead I installed memcached which worked |
| 14:52.55 | kba | Iridos: I already told you, 'memcache' |
| 14:53.05 | Iridos | well |
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| 14:53.11 | Iridos | we established there is no package of that name |
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| 14:53.19 | kba | 'sudo apt-get install memcache' works here |
| 14:53.32 | jelly | ,versions memcache |
| 14:53.34 | judd | No package named 'memcache' was found in i386. |
| 14:54.00 | NishaKitty | no memcahce here either |
| 14:54.08 | simonlnu | you likely asked for a virtual package and installed the right one... |
| 14:54.09 | NishaKitty | do aptitude search memcache and stuff comes up |
| 14:54.15 | NishaKitty | there's one called memcached |
| 14:54.16 | simonlnu | and it installed* |
| 14:54.18 | kba | Wait, I'm sorry |
| 14:54.25 | kba | It's called php5-memcahe it seems |
| 14:54.26 | NishaKitty | p memcached - A high-performance memory object caching system |
| 14:54.29 | kba | but php5-memcached works |
| 14:54.45 | kba | I didn't notice since just doing 'whatis memcache' gave me an answer |
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| 14:55.19 | Iridos | that doesn't tell you a package |
| 14:55.26 | Iridos | dpkg -S or dlocate will |
| 14:55.27 | dpkg | There is no record of a or dlocate will package |
| 14:55.33 | Iridos | aww, shaddup dpkg |
| 14:55.56 | kba | Iridos: no, I know, that's why I apologize ;-) |
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| 14:59.06 | Iridos | so now we figured out what the heck package you are talking about... what was the question? |
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| 14:59.37 | kba | what the difference between php5-memcache and php5-memcached is |
| 14:59.53 | kba | other than that I can get memcached working, and I can't with memecahe :) |
| 14:59.59 | Iridos | apt-cache show php5-memcache lists a homepage: http://pecl.php.net/package/memcache and you find debian-specific information in /usr/share/doc/php5-memcache |
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| 15:00.39 | cypr1nus | hi, is there any way to remove whole gnome from debian after xfce install (in wheezy) ? |
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| 15:01.29 | streuner | cypr1nus: /msg dpkg remove gnome |
| 15:01.33 | kba | Iridos: but that link is just saying it's a "memcached extension" |
| 15:01.42 | kba | so it's not really telling how it's different from memcached |
| 15:01.45 | Iridos | kba, apart from that... (as simonlnu already said) php5-memcache seems to be just a runtime-library... you don't use it, programs dynamically linked to use it need the package |
| 15:02.12 | kba | so memcached is the service and memcache is the interface? |
| 15:02.37 | Iridos | all I see is php5-memcache: /usr/lib/php5/20090626+lfs/memcache.so |
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| 15:02.59 | cypr1nus | streuner: thank You |
| 15:03.08 | kba | Hm, that doesn't make sense, since my applications work fine with just php5-memcached, without php5-memcache |
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| 15:03.19 | Iridos | hm, curious, same for memcached |
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| 15:03.56 | cypr1nus | streuner: i've found: apt-get autoremove --purge gnome*, will try this |
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| 15:04.55 | streuner | cypr1nus: autoremove is an option to remove packages which arent necessary for the system, sounds interesting :-) |
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| 15:06.08 | streuner | cypr1nus: the factoid mention GNOME2, i didnt find another factoid in order to remove GNOME3, i guess you have this installed... |
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| 15:07.59 | Iridos | kba, there'S /usr/share/doc/php5-memcache/examples/example.php - I dunno if that sheds some light on it... documentation seems rather... sparse (and I don't have that installed or ever used it, just looking for files with apt-file) |
| 15:08.23 | cypr1nus | streuner: yep, G3 was installed by default by netinst |
| 15:09.05 | cypr1nus | i'll restart afterall and see if any major component missing ) |
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| 15:10.19 | feanor | hi there. |
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| 15:10.55 | feanor | would it improv eperformance to compile debian specially for an i7 2600k? |
| 15:10.57 | kba | Iridos: ah, so that's a functional approach. With memcached, you instantiate a memcache object |
| 15:11.46 | simonlnu | konverguoju: the php module interfaces with memcached and the app, which the latter is written to use it as an object or other cache, and is stored in memory (as the name implies) |
| 15:11.54 | simonlnu | konverguoju: sorry, ETAB |
| 15:12.00 | feanor | enabling all code optimizations available for i7? |
| 15:12.01 | simonlnu | kba: the php module interfaces with memcached and the app, which the latter is written to use it as an object or other cache, and is stored in memory (as the name implies) |
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| 15:12.18 | simonlnu | !gentoosmite feanor |
| 15:12.18 | dpkg | spends 7 weeks recompiling feanor, and when it's all done, feanor runs no faster than previously |
| 15:12.33 | colo-work | lol |
| 15:12.39 | kba | simonlnu: yes, I know how memcache works, but I*m trying to see the difference between php5-memcache and php5-memcached |
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| 15:13.11 | simonlnu | ah yes, well they're slightly different, and one is better than the other (newer, and works better) |
| 15:13.19 | simonlnu | i always get them confused ;p |
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| 15:13.24 | simonlnu | lemme check something |
| 15:13.32 | kba | seems like the only difference is with memcached I do '$m = new Memcache(); $memcache->connect(...);' |
| 15:13.41 | simonlnu | memcached is what i'm using right now |
| 15:13.43 | kba | whereas with memcache you do '$m = memcache_connect(...);' |
| 15:13.49 | feanor | how about recompiling only the latest stable kernel, with all tweaks for i7? |
| 15:13.53 | kba | just seems like memcache is an out-dated, non-OO approach |
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| 15:22.02 | Iridos | feanor, and what does your kernel do all day that would profit from - say, for the sake of the argument - 5% extra performance |
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| 15:23.38 | feanor | <Iridos>, run simulations, mostly, cpu intenssive. |
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| 15:24.06 | Iridos | then I'd try to compile the software that does those simulations? |
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| 15:25.22 | dekatch | . |
| 15:25.25 | dekatch | sry |
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| 15:26.33 | feanor | <Iridos>, yes that makes sense. |
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| 15:30.09 | Iridos | feanor, watch the "sy" value of the output of top while your software is running... if that's an appreciable amount, there _might_ be a point to try optimizing kernel code |
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| 15:30.44 | zignig | @seen simonrvn |
| 15:30.49 | feanor | <Iridos> ok |
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| 15:35.41 | olri | apt help |
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| 15:44.56 | White_R | hi! I'm on debian stable, with an HP officejet 6000 printer. hp-levels says cyan magenta and yellow are empty, while black is 60% full. When I try to print in greyscale mode, it fails because of "low ink". I've already tried re-installing the device. I've already tried both the hpcup and hpijs drivers. |
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| 15:45.08 | pbase | hi.. how do I extract the files in an .xlsx file? earlier archive manager was able to do tht but now can't figure a way to do that.. any suggestions? |
| 15:45.42 | White_R | pbase: isn't .xlsx a Microsoft Excel file? |
| 15:45.52 | pbase | yes |
| 15:46.23 | pbase | it is like a zip file containing different files |
| 15:46.39 | DelTree | xlsx is excel 2007/2010 file... |
| 15:46.40 | White_R | can't open/libre office just open it? (i'm just guessing) |
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| 15:47.25 | pbase | I am interested in the sub files |
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| 15:47.37 | forgotten | White_R: excel is not an archiver. shouldn't have to extract. should be able to just open it like White_R said. At most it will be password protected. |
| 15:47.41 | pbase | the xml schema to be specific |
| 15:47.52 | petemc | tried unzipping it? |
| 15:48.07 | petemc | works on macosx |
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| 15:48.20 | pbase | archive manager doesn't recognize it as a valid archive |
| 15:48.28 | pbase | my bad,, I am on wheezy |
| 15:48.42 | DelTree | mv foo.xlsx foo.xlsx.gz |
| 15:49.00 | pbase | simply rename it? |
| 15:49.05 | petemc | try command line unzip |
| 15:49.06 | forgotten | pbase: are there xml files within the xlsx ? that what ur after? |
| 15:49.08 | DelTree | could work... |
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| 15:49.20 | pbase | forgotten: yes |
| 15:50.00 | forgotten | pbase: try using java. "jar xf file.xlsx" |
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| 15:52.36 | pbase | forgotten: thanks it worked |
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| 15:52.57 | forgotten | pbase: awesome bro :) |
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| 15:55.57 | tdrusk | I use vim to develop and I keep getting .swp files in my directories. Why aren't these automatically getting deleted, even after reboot? |
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| 15:59.08 | fvahid | hi all |
| 15:59.11 | fvahid | when run ./NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-285.05.09.run error ocoured : nvidia-installer not found |
| 15:59.16 | fvahid | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:59.23 | fvahid | why? |
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| 15:59.56 | White_R | tdrusk: they're not meant to be deleted when you reboot. You're supposed to manually delete them if and when you think you don't need them. |
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| 16:00.09 | fvahid | my kernel |
| 16:00.29 | fvahid | Linux debian 3.2.0-1-amd64 #1 SMP Fri Feb 17 07:24:01 UTC 2012 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
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| 16:01.46 | epsas | tdrusk - check out http://vim.wikia.com/wiki/VimTip20 |
| 16:02.15 | tdrusk | thanks guys. very helpful |
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| 16:10.02 | zlatko | hi |
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| 16:11.11 | M4dH4TT3r | quick question - cannot find sandbox server = network error? |
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| 16:12.13 | joltcan | M4dH4TT3r: What is a sandbox server? |
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| 16:13.35 | fvahid | in debian box when install nvidia driver error ocoured : ./nvidia-installer not found |
| 16:13.40 | fvahid | whay? |
| 16:14.20 | jelly | fvahid: what does "file ./nvidia-installer" say? |
| 16:14.36 | adminewb | Q: is there a simple way to limit a certain network's capacity usage, in or outbound specific, on debian? preferably not to affect real-time apps such as streaming media |
| 16:14.50 | Roge152 | chmod +x nvidia-installer ? |
| 16:14.56 | fvahid | Roge152: yes |
| 16:15.10 | jelly | adminewb: wondershaper is reasonably simple |
| 16:15.18 | adminewb | jelly thanks |
| 16:15.31 | jelly | fvahid: why not install the driver from the packages? |
| 16:15.44 | jelly | !tell fvahid about nvidia |
| 16:15.50 | jelly | !tell fvahid about nvidia dkms |
| 16:16.12 | CissWit | adminewb: there are some examples of configuration using QoS on linux. Search "QoS Linux" you should find some. |
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| 16:16.29 | Demar | Всем привет |
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| 16:16.37 | jelly | !ru |
| 16:16.37 | dpkg | Это английскоговорящий канал, пожалуйста, говорите по-английски или посетите #debian-russian (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian) |
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| 16:17.07 | White_R | hi! I'm on debian stable, with an HP officejet 6000 printer. hp-levels says cyan magenta and yellow are empty, while black is 60% full. When I try to print in greyscale mode, it fails because of "low ink". I've already tried re-installing the device. I've already tried both the hpcup and hpijs drivers. |
| 16:17.27 | fvahid | i cant install nvidia driver from non-free package |
| 16:17.35 | Roge152 | Why not fvahid ? |
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| 16:18.27 | fvahid | Roge152: my GPU model is : gforce 310M |
| 16:18.37 | M4dH4TT3r | bbl |
| 16:18.42 | somiaj | fvahid: you may have to get the version from squeeze-backports for that card. |
| 16:18.45 | fvahid | Roge152: not supported in non-free |
| 16:18.51 | somiaj | ,version nvidia-kernel-dkms |
| 16:18.52 | judd | Package: nvidia-kernel-dkms on i386 -- squeeze/non-free: 195.36.31-6; squeeze-backports/non-free: 280.13.really.275.36-1~bpo60+1; sid/non-free: 295.20-1; wheezy/non-free: 295.20-1; experimental/non-free: 295.20-1+exp1 |
| 16:18.53 | Roge152 | ok |
| 16:18.57 | fvahid | somiaj: i use sid |
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| 16:19.36 | selbeimanti | hi, i can't get 3.x kernels to run on my system. first i get a blank at boot, with "Fatal server error: xf86OpenConsole: Cannot find a free VT" in Xorg.0.log, then later a range of "ata5.00" errors on the console. |
| 16:19.51 | selbeimanti | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:20.08 | somiaj | selbeimanti: but everything works fine with a 2.6.39 kernel? |
| 16:20.22 | selbeimanti | i was running on 2.6.38, was ok. |
| 16:20.38 | fvahid | jelly: my kernel x86_64 |
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| 16:21.15 | fvahid | :( |
| 16:21.21 | jelly | !tell selbeimanti about wheezy |
| 16:21.47 | somiaj | selbeimanti: start looking though the bts, but since you know it works fine on kernels 2.6.38 run that while you wait for any bug to get fixed |
| 16:21.53 | jelly | selbeimanti: use irc://irc.debian.org/#debian-next for issues in testing |
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| 16:22.20 | selbeimanti | jelly: k |
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| 16:22.31 | selbeimanti | somiaj: "bts" ? |
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| 16:22.54 | somiaj | selbeimanti: bug tracking system, something every wheezy user should know. |
| 16:23.05 | selbeimanti | jelly: #debian-next -> invite only |
| 16:23.12 | somiaj | fvahid: why won't the package nvidia-kernel-dkms install on your system, any errors? |
| 16:23.27 | selbeimanti | somiaj: didn't have many bugs so far :) |
| 16:23.34 | jelly | selbeimanti: not on this irc network, on irc.debian.org |
| 16:23.41 | selbeimanti | ok thx |
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| 16:24.16 | somiaj | selbeimanti: wheezy bugs fluxate, lots of times it runs well, but over time of using it you will run into many bugs so basic debugging knowldge is useful to keep a testing system working |
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| 16:50.51 | jexmex | is it possible that the open java packages would cause slowdowns in some things (specifically minecraft) |
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| 16:53.13 | gnarface | jexmex: i would imagine anything made from java to be subject to slowdowns, period. including minecraft |
| 16:53.34 | jexmex | well yeah in windows minecraft worked great on this computer |
| 16:53.41 | jexmex | might need to install additional drivers |
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| 16:54.06 | jexmex | how can I do that in debian (ubuntu has a control panel type thing, not seeing that in debian) |
| 16:54.20 | gnarface | based only on what i know, its as easily the fault of crappy code in minecraft as it is a problem with java itself. it doesn't have to be just which java engine you chose, but that's of course a valid possibility too |
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| 17:01.04 | gnarface | jexmex: for all i know you could be using the wrong video card drivers even. how much of a slowdown are we talking? like from 80frames per second to 1? |
| 17:01.19 | jexmex | its unplayable |
| 17:01.24 | jexmex | pretty sure its a driver issue |
| 17:01.35 | jexmex | trying to following instructions on using non free drivers |
| 17:01.53 | jexmex | (hopefully this does not result in me having same problems I had in windows with ati's crappy drivers) |
| 17:03.01 | gnarface | jexmex: ati's never been known for writing quality drivers. i wish you luck but i can't help. |
| 17:03.32 | gnarface | jexmex: from what i've seen lately you have a decent chance of getting it to work unless your computer is a recent model laptop with one of those hybrid dual-gpu setups |
| 17:03.46 | jexmex | I swore off ATI in the 90's because of their drivers, but I figured a year or so ago, what the hell, its been a long time, there drivers must have gotten better....boy was I wrong |
| 17:03.46 | gnarface | then its anyone's bet |
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| 17:04.09 | gnarface | they had a brief improvement in the early 2000's but they've slipped badly again |
| 17:04.11 | jexmex | no its a desktop with a raedon hd card |
| 17:04.49 | jexmex | probably going to buy me a nice new nvidia card, just so I can crush this one into a million pieces |
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| 17:05.18 | jexmex | now I am stuck at trying to edit the xorg.conf file for new driver |
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| 17:05.30 | gnarface | the nvidia binary drivers actually (aside from being binary only and having some twisted proprietary alternative to xinerama) are some of the best linux drivers around |
| 17:06.01 | gnarface | which is sad to say considering the visible disdain with which they've been created |
| 17:06.41 | gnarface | jexmex: you might be able to use X -configure or ati's own proprietary tool to generate a working xorg.conf |
| 17:06.49 | gnarface | or at least one close enough to working that it only takes a minor tweak |
| 17:06.58 | gnarface | you might only have to set the driver name in the xorg.conf you've got too |
| 17:07.03 | gnarface | the rest might more or less work as-is |
| 17:08.05 | jexmex | I think I am biting into a whole world of hurt if I keep going about trying to do this |
| 17:08.06 | jexmex | lol |
| 17:08.17 | jexmex | maybe I will just stick to minecraft on the laptop |
| 17:08.39 | gnarface | you need to talk to someone who owns a similar ati card model and has already got it working with the drivers you want |
| 17:08.49 | gnarface | i can only give you general advice, not specifics |
| 17:09.04 | gnarface | if you hang out for a few hours someone is bound to show up though |
| 17:09.05 | jexmex | "squeeze" is the 6.x branch, right? |
| 17:09.08 | gnarface | yes |
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| 17:09.12 | jexmex | ok |
| 17:09.17 | gnarface | current stable |
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| 17:10.05 | jexmex | found this: http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary#Squeeze |
| 17:10.06 | Iridos | gnarface, there's also splendid factoids |
| 17:10.13 | Iridos | and a wiki :) |
| 17:10.15 | jexmex | gonna wait until later, after I get done working |
| 17:10.24 | jexmex | in case I kill it |
| 17:10.25 | jexmex | lol |
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| 17:11.36 | gnarface | jexmex: its advised to make a backup first, of course |
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| 17:11.46 | gnarface | alwyas backups |
| 17:12.08 | jexmex | well I just ran minecraft again, after I installed a different driver from repo, and it seems better |
| 17:12.16 | jexmex | of course I did not fullscreen it, so maybe thats why |
| 17:12.31 | jexmex | oh well, better get my butt back to work |
| 17:12.50 | Iridos | dpkg, ati |
| 17:12.50 | dpkg | To use an ATI/AMD graphics card with Debian, ask me about <radeon>, <fglrx>. Installing proprietary drivers from amd.com (i.e. with the ATI Driver Installer) is not supported in #debian, please go to #ati (irc.freenode.net). |
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| 17:13.08 | Iridos | dpkg, fglrx |
| 17:13.09 | dpkg | fglrx is the ATI/AMD proprietary display driver for Radeon HD and FireGL graphics cards. As of fglrx-driver 1:9-4-1, no chips prior to the R600 series (i.e. models up to and including the Radeon X1950) are supported; use the <radeon> or <radeonhd> drivers for device support. To install fglrx, ask me about <fglrx dkms>. http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary #ati on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 17:14.19 | Iridos | actually I do use fglrx |
| 17:14.32 | Iridos | can't have been painful to get running, I totally forgot |
| 17:16.11 | gnarface | Iridos: the problem is their latest drivers are required by everything and actually more or less irrevocably broken for a ton of their latest hardware |
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| 17:16.28 | gnarface | Iridos: but its just like, certain revisions of certain cards (from what i've seen mostly the mobile ones in the hybrid laptops) |
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| 17:23.40 | jvogel | if I want to blacklist a module, can I just edit /etc/modules and instead of adding the module to load do "blacklist <module>"? |
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| 17:23.53 | Iridos | dpkg, blacklist |
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| 17:23.54 | dpkg | To blacklist a Linux kernel module, create/edit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local.conf and add a line similar to this (without quotes): "blacklist module_name". If this doesn't work, do 'echo "install modulename /bin/true" >> /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local.conf'. IMPORTANT: ask about <blacklist-initramfs>. To blacklist a module at installation time, ask me about <installer blacklist>. http://wiki.debian.org/KernelModuleBlacklisting |
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| 17:26.48 | jvogel | Thank you, that's what I read but my system didn't have blacklist* in modprobe.d so I wanted to verify that's what current debian testing system use |
| 17:27.17 | Iridos | I also see this for the first time :) last I remember you did blacklist in module.conf |
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| 17:28.00 | jvogel | This should work I'll try to check next time i reboot |
| 17:28.02 | jvogel | Thanks |
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| 17:28.27 | Iridos | but that was early lenny... probably both works, dunny why the "recommended" way changed |
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| 17:36.32 | somiaj | gnarface: one note is with modern xorg.conf files you don't need a full config file to use a non-free drive, you just need 3-4 lines stating what DisplayDriver to use, makes them a lot easier to create then times of old (unless you have very special requirements) |
| 17:37.27 | somiaj | also with /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ you can split the file up....I am liking seeing more config files take this approach |
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| 17:39.14 | gnarface | somiaj: i'm aware of this but you might want to tell jexmex |
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| 17:39.28 | gnarface | somiaj: i still need the full xorg.conf for my own purposes because none of my shit autodetects right in X |
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| 17:40.10 | jexmex | somiaj, thanks that will make it easier if I need to go deeper into this issue |
| 17:40.52 | somiaj | gnarface: only issue I have is I have to used a hacked custom EEID for my hdtv so it dosen't disable the sound via my other sound card. |
| 17:41.18 | gnarface | somiaj: i still have CRT monitors and also require the TwinView block for my nvidia drivers |
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| 17:41.51 | somiaj | jexmex: yea to bad lots of documenation about this is outdated, most people really only need the part of the xorg.conf file that tells xorg to use the fglrx or nvidia driver |
| 17:42.16 | somiaj | gnarface: have you tried it without it recentally. The newer versions of the nvidia driver have xrandr support (though this dosen't apply to squeeze stock versions) |
| 17:42.33 | gnarface | i havn't actually ONCE seen X11 accurately detect the optimal horizontal and vertical refresh ranges on a non-LCD screen, or on half my LCD screens (especially the projectors) |
| 17:44.07 | gnarface | maybe my equipment is all just that old |
| 17:45.03 | somiaj | yea I rember trying to decided if I should sell my old CRT's but then I saw some at a pawn shop for $10 a piece, so I gave them all away...my desk likes me better these days that it isn't covered with CRT's |
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| 17:45.14 | cgar | After I installed a few games (Osmos, Anomaly), now everytime that I install any app I am getting a long list(huge) of software to be remove via apt-get autoremove...any ideas? |
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| 17:45.51 | valdyn | cgar: theres packages that are marked as automatically installed as dependency |
| 17:46.07 | bartus_ | hi ! |
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| 17:46.22 | valdyn | cgar: once you remove the package that depended on an automatically installed package that automatically installed package gets into that list |
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| 17:48.06 | dhbiker | hi there... why am i getting "Device not managed" after the install ? :/ (network card) |
| 17:48.37 | zykotick9 | dhbiker: remove the configuration from /etc/network/interfaces and N-M will take over |
| 17:48.49 | dhbiker | ah... |
| 17:48.54 | dhbiker | tnx zykotick9 |
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| 17:49.18 | cgar | valdyn: Just remember, I deleted abiword, that may be the cause. However, the autoremove lists packages that I need like rhymthbox, gnome-games and others |
| 17:49.41 | valdyn | cgar: "apt-get install rhythmbox" will remove the auto-install flag |
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| 17:51.51 | cgar | valdyn: So I would need to do that for every other app? |
| 17:52.02 | valdyn | cgar: yes |
| 17:52.11 | valdyn | cgar: i think you removed the gnome package |
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| 17:52.29 | valdyn | cgar: that might have left behind a large number of auto-installed packages |
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| 17:56.49 | somiaj | cgar: actually what you probably did was remove abiword which removed the meta package (wich brought in a lot of your software automatically) |
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| 18:00.20 | cgar | fixed it, just installed everything which I guess removed the auto installed flag |
| 18:01.41 | somiaj | cgar: did you do that for the libfoo's or just the major package names? |
| 18:02.05 | cgar | Everything, had to copy and paste |
| 18:03.21 | cgar | Now lets say that I were to remove abiword, autoremove should only remove its dependencies correct? |
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| 18:04.11 | somiaj | cgar: yes, but for the most part you should keep lib's on auto, it keeps things cleaner |
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| 18:04.28 | valdyn | cgar: yes, unless removing abiword triggers the removal of another package is that even more dependencies |
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| 18:04.36 | somiaj | cgar: which is why I asked, making all the lib dependences manual may stick some libs around that you aren't really using if you uninstall software |
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| 18:05.21 | cgar | I see |
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| 18:07.22 | allain | System locks up when connecting wifi unless ethernet is plugged in. Can anyone help? |
| 18:07.43 | allain | kernel 3.2.0 ath9k is wireless driver |
| 18:07.56 | somiaj | allain: so you removed the auto eth0 and allow-hotplug eth0 lines from /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 18:08.04 | somiaj | allain: are you using network-manager? |
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| 18:08.06 | allain | yes |
| 18:08.12 | allain | yes, I am using the network manager |
| 18:08.22 | allain | How would I not? |
| 18:08.36 | somiaj | I'd say your issue is there, can you tell network-manager to ignore the wired device? |
| 18:09.01 | allain | Yes, tried to make it so that it didn't automatically connect |
| 18:09.01 | somiaj | allain: I use /etc/network/interfaces file myself, I don't like network-manager I find it an annoying piece of software |
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| 18:09.08 | somiaj | allain: what version of debian are you running? |
| 18:09.17 | allain | 6.0.4 |
| 18:09.31 | allain | Acer Aspire 7520 |
| 18:09.43 | somiaj | have you tried other kernels from squeeze-backports (assume this is where you are getting the kernel from?) |
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| 18:09.53 | somiaj | did you install the correct firmware from squeeze-backports? |
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| 18:10.16 | allain | yes, that's where I'm getting the kernel from. I have not, since this is the very first time wireless has worked at all, I'm hesitant to possibly brick it again. |
| 18:10.27 | allain | how can I check? |
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| 18:10.57 | somiaj | allain: http://wiki.debian.org/ath9k#Squeeze -- is your device supported by the default squeeze kernel? |
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| 18:11.41 | somiaj | well seems that device dosen't need firmware so you are good on the firmware issue, but maybe your wired card dose. What is your wired card? |
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| 18:13.46 | allain_ | Sorry, may have missed response, had to reboot again... |
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| 18:14.36 | phao | To install debian, do I need anything other than the first CD ? http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.4/i386/iso-cd/ (from these)? |
| 18:14.55 | uber-n00b | depends on what you want to install with it |
| 18:15.09 | uber-n00b | usually the 1DVD will have most of what u want |
| 18:15.22 | phao | gcc, xorg + gnome |
| 18:15.28 | somiaj | allain: http://wiki.debian.org/ath9k#Squeeze -- is your device supported by the default squeeze kernel? |
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| 18:15.31 | somiaj | well seems that device dosen't need firmware so you are good on the firmware issue, but maybe your wired card dose. What is your wired card? |
| 18:15.35 | phao | idk... I don't remember exactly what I use |
| 18:15.47 | phao | but thx uber-n00b |
| 18:15.53 | uber-n00b | np |
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| 18:15.56 | somiaj | phao: if you have a good internet connenction you can get away with just a single netinstall cd (few hundered megs) |
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| 18:16.16 | somiaj | phao: but yes cd1 shoudl contain the base system and popular stuff related with the gnome de |
| 18:16.17 | phao | won't have internet connection during instalation |
| 18:16.22 | phao | need to get the cds (cannot use dvd either) beforehand |
| 18:16.24 | allain | somiaj, yes. That's why I upgraded to 3.2.0 |
| 18:16.40 | somiaj | allain: lspci, lets see your device for your wired and wireless card |
| 18:16.44 | allain | actually, so no. I had to upgrade it. |
| 18:16.52 | allain | will do |
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| 18:17.30 | uber-n00b | 174.7.66.81 phao may want to check what is on CDs and see, or just dl the first few to be sure you have what you need |
| 18:17.34 | uber-n00b | oops |
| 18:18.01 | somiaj | phao: no and no need to msg me |
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| 18:18.06 | allain | somiaj: http://pastebin.com/HuduEBHW |
| 18:18.14 | phao | ok |
| 18:18.15 | phao | thx all |
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| 18:20.30 | e-type | hi all |
| 18:20.46 | somiaj | allain: well I would try to remove network-manager from the system and see if that is your issue |
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| 18:20.53 | allain | somiaj: with only network stuff in it http://pastebin.com/Vvk3NzWW |
| 18:20.55 | somiaj | allain: and configure the device using /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 18:21.30 | e-type | I can't seem to mount ntfs usb volumes as user from thunar |
| 18:21.51 | e-type | error = Unprivileged user can not mount NTFS block devices using the external FUSE library. |
| 18:21.59 | somiaj | e-type: are you trying to mount from a command line or with an automounter |
| 18:22.06 | e-type | does this mean debian no longer supports this since fuse lib is external??? |
| 18:22.16 | e-type | somiaj: automounter in thunar |
| 18:22.18 | somiaj | e-type: no it just means that your user dosen't have primisions |
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| 18:22.30 | e-type | somiaj: luckily :-) |
| 18:22.31 | somiaj | e-type: there is a fuse group, not sure if your user needs to be in that or some other group |
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| 18:23.05 | somiaj | e-type: but most likely just put your user in the correct group and it should work. I do all my mounting as root, so I don't know forsure what group that is. |
| 18:23.10 | e-type | somiaj: that was my first thought too, so I'm in fuse and a bunch of other candidates like disk, floppy, plugdev,... |
| 18:23.18 | Skurken1 | first time debian user, trying to run a "sudo apt-get", but I keep getting a "you're not in the sudoers file. this incident will be reported" message... |
| 18:23.31 | meyou | su |
| 18:23.32 | Skurken1 | Does anyone know how to fix this? :P |
| 18:23.37 | meyou | vi /etc/sudoers.list iirc |
| 18:23.41 | somiaj | e-type: well can you mount it as root, 'sudo mount /dev/sd?? /mnt' |
| 18:23.41 | meyou | and add yourself |
| 18:23.57 | themill | Skurken1: "adduser yourusername sudo" is sufficient |
| 18:23.58 | somiaj | Skurken1: adduser username sudo |
| 18:24.00 | dekatch | i prefer nano |
| 18:24.05 | dekatch | :P |
| 18:24.11 | meyou | oh |
| 18:24.13 | e-type | somiaj: perfectly, yes, and that works for me, but ... there are others in my house :-) |
| 18:24.15 | meyou | simplification! |
| 18:24.17 | themill | meyou: and you never edit /etc/sudoers directly like that |
| 18:24.17 | somiaj | dekatch: if nano is the editor of choice on your system, visudo uses that. |
| 18:24.29 | meyou | i've done it plenty but |
| 18:24.37 | meyou | your way is clearly better |
| 18:24.51 | somiaj | meyou: you cannot edit that file directally, it is read only, and if you change that sudo complains. |
| 18:25.01 | themill | meyou: no, if you really need to edit sudoers, you use visudo. (also, it's not sudoers.list) |
| 18:25.13 | somiaj | e-type: yea not sure what the issue is, I don't use automounters. |
| 18:25.33 | meyou | ok™ |
| 18:25.46 | Skurken1 | themill: thanks ill try it |
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| 18:26.41 | e-type | somiaj: that's a luxury I don't have, lol :-) |
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| 18:27.21 | Skurken1 | I keep getting a "bash: add: command not found" when entering "adduser [name] sudo" |
| 18:27.51 | somiaj | do you have a space between add and user? |
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| 18:28.00 | somiaj | it sounds like you do |
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| 18:28.15 | Skurken1 | I tried with both |
| 18:28.22 | Skurken1 | and neither worked |
| 18:28.32 | somiaj | did one say adduser not found, are you running this as root? |
| 18:29.17 | Skurken1 | It said exactly "bash: add: command not found" |
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| 18:29.43 | simonlnu | 'adduser' not add user |
| 18:30.06 | dekatch | which is the debian way of adding a new user? adduser or useradd ? |
| 18:30.28 | dekatch | i always forget this one |
| 18:30.30 | simonlnu | either is cool. adduser is nice though |
| 18:30.35 | Skurken1 | simonlnu: I tried with both "add" and "adduser" and neither worked |
| 18:30.46 | dekatch | add is wrong dude |
| 18:30.56 | dekatch | adduser or useradd, and i guess adduser is the debian way |
| 18:31.08 | somiaj | either works, they are different tools |
| 18:31.30 | dekatch | sure ! but debian has its own tool wich is easier to use |
| 18:31.35 | Skurken1 | I seemed to have worked it out.. once I invoked the "su" commando (whatever its called) and logged in as root it worked |
| 18:31.36 | simonlnu | debian has an adduser like a lot of other distros do, but ime debian's is the best |
| 18:31.37 | dekatch | no need to set /path and such |
| 18:31.53 | Skurken1 | thanks |
| 18:31.58 | somiaj | Skurken1: that is what I told you many lines ago. run it as root |
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| 18:32.14 | somiaj | Skurken1: you'll have to logout and back in as your user to make this change take effect |
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| 18:33.57 | dekatch | skurken1 http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/2 |
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| 18:34.36 | philipballew_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:34.56 | somiaj | philipballew_: squeeze-backports has kenrels 2.6.39, 3.1 and 3.2 |
| 18:34.57 | vbrummond | philipballew: you can install linux version 3.2 in debian backports |
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| 18:35.33 | vbrummond | philipballew_: http://backports-master.debian.org/Instructions/ |
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| 18:36.15 | philipballew_ | vbrummond, somiaj thanks! |
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| 18:46.17 | somiaj | allain: your welcome, and you don't need to msg me (should always ask frist) |
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| 18:46.55 | allain | sorry, new to this client. Thought sending it that way would be the same. |
| 18:46.59 | allain | Thank you |
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| 18:50.20 | injureddeer | what vnc do you use? i wanna remote connect and dont wanna interactm with that what will be on desktop, so when I will be conected dont wanna see same on screen :) |
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| 18:50.34 | Guest89409 | hello folks. is there a way to pin all php5-* packages to a specific release? |
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| 18:52.49 | somiaj | Guest28372: what releases are you trying to mix? (this sounds like bad bad juju for a production server) |
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| 18:53.25 | sts | somiaj: i'd like to use dotdeb for all php. should be fine. :) |
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| 18:53.35 | pow4h | so if i have a data file full of 1s and 0s, and my posix style read function is returning their ascii number for it, how do get it turn back into 1s and 0s like i wanted? i did vi myfile 123 :wq , then read() storing it to char array[10], and when i printf with array[0] it says 49 |
| 18:53.44 | sts | But I just read in the debian wiki: Unfortunately, the Package field understands neither wildcards nor regular expressions. You need one pin stanza per package. |
| 18:53.45 | somiaj | sts: I've seen machines have issues cause of dotdeb, I don't trust that repo myself. |
| 18:54.02 | sts | somiaj: what do you mean with issues? |
| 18:54.13 | Iridos | dpkg, dotdeb |
| 18:54.14 | dpkg | well, dotdeb is for the latest PHP and MySQL releases, packaged up and backported for your pleasure, go to http://dotdeb.org/ , but realize that we cannot support dotdeb packages here, so you will be ON YOUR OWN. The packages from backports.debian.org are vastly superior. Ask me about <backports> and <debian-backports>. "aptitude purge ~Vdotdeb" |
| 18:54.39 | tremon | sts: that's outdated, newer apt understands regexps and wildcards for the Packages: line |
| 18:54.47 | sts | Iridos: ?? I'm not asking about dotdeb packages, I'm asking about wildcard pinning. but thank you. |
| 18:54.52 | tremon | (don't know if new means Squeeze or wheezy though) |
| 18:55.11 | Iridos | sts, the answer is don't use dotdeb, but backports :) |
| 18:55.18 | somiaj | sts: I've just seen dependency loops, pulling in uneeded libaries, poor security support from dotdeb. I wouldn't suggest it. But I was more making sure you wern't trying to mix stable and testing. |
| 18:55.28 | sts | tremon: hmm. do you know the format? I tried with: php5-*, but it doesn't work. |
| 18:55.29 | Iridos | tremon, apt-get understands wildcards, I don't think you can use them in pinning |
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| 18:56.40 | vbrummond | You can pin certain package versions with wildcards I believe |
| 18:57.25 | Iridos | sts, you shouldn't need pinning for backports (and probably dotdeb) packages. The higher version number alone prevents that things from stable go back to replace them |
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| 18:58.26 | Iridos | well... of course if dotdeb uses some incorrect/broken version strings, who knows |
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| 18:58.43 | Iridos | which would only emphasize the point of not using that :) |
| 18:58.43 | vbrummond | sts: this article has an example about pinning http://raphaelhertzog.com/2011/06/16/installing-gnome-3-on-debian-6-0-squeeze-no-sorry/ |
| 18:58.44 | sts | Iridos: I need to pin certain packages up and certain packages down. I just want to use php5 from dotdeb and not nginx for example. So this doesn't really work IMHO. |
| 18:59.09 | acuster | hey all, I did a default install of wheezy and now when I 'apt-get update' it's downloading a slew of translations that I do not need. Is there a way of un-selecting all these locales? Thanks. |
| 19:00.01 | sts | somiaj: well. We are currently just testing it for less important systems, so we will see how it works out. |
| 19:00.21 | bzed | sts: never use dotdeb or similar crap. it will just ensure your system will never be upgradable again and you might hit various security issues debian fixes for you if you use debian packages |
| 19:00.35 | bzed | sts: there is rarely a reason to use dotdeb |
| 19:00.45 | sts | bzed: php5-fpm would be? |
| 19:01.22 | bzed | sts: make a backport? its pretty easy. |
| 19:02.00 | bzed | sts: although I still fail to understand why fpm is necessary at all |
| 19:02.02 | sts | bzed: backporting php5? |
| 19:02.29 | bzed | sts: yes. |
| 19:02.36 | bzed | sts: why do you want that fpm stuff? |
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| 19:02.56 | sts | bzed: well because we want to test nginx as webserver. |
| 19:03.11 | Iridos | argh... just checked the wiki on apt preferences/pinning (http://wiki.debian.org/AptPreferences) and it's more of a discussion than a wiki page /o\ |
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| 19:04.22 | Iridos | judd, versions php5-fpm |
| 19:04.23 | judd | Package: php5-fpm on i386 -- wheezy: 5.3.10-1; sid: 5.3.10-2; experimental: 5.4.0~rc8-2 |
| 19:04.38 | Iridos | judd, versions php5 |
| 19:04.39 | judd | Package: php5 on i386 -- lenny: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny13; lenny-proposed-updates: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny16; lenny-security: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny16; squeeze: 5.3.3-7+squeeze3; squeeze-proposed-updates: 5.3.3-7+squeeze8; squeeze-security: 5.3.3-7+squeeze8; wheezy: 5.3.10-1; sid: 5.3.10-2; experimental: 5.4.0~rc7-2; experimental: 5.4.0~rc8-2 |
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| 19:04.52 | sts | no backports. |
| 19:05.19 | bzed | sts: oh well. if you really need nginx... |
| 19:05.29 | bzed | *reaaaaly* need it |
| 19:05.39 | bzed | I would still recommend to make your own backport |
| 19:06.49 | somiaj | sts: when dotdeb breaks your system you get to keep all the pieces. It may work just fine, it is just not debian and we have seen issues in here cause of that repo more than once. |
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| 19:08.40 | TheWarden | Hi, how can one install sun-java6-jre? Also I have OpenJDK6 installed but I think that is the issue with this app I have so not sure if I should uninstall that first or not. |
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| 19:09.41 | somiaj | TheWarden: on squeeze it should still be in the non-free repo. From here on out debian won't provided sun (now orcale's) java because orcale won't let us. |
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| 19:10.01 | somiaj | so wheezy and onward won't have it. YOu'll have to install it locall from oracle |
| 19:10.36 | philipballew_ | it should be fairly simple to compile, but open jdk is the standard these days anyway |
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| 19:11.27 | TheWarden | somiaj: nice... that's Oracle for you. Anyways, so for now I have Squeeze and I thought I had the non-free repo setup but when I do apt-get install sun-java-jre6 it can't find it |
| 19:11.48 | somiaj | apt-cache seaerch sun-java |
| 19:11.52 | somiaj | (its sun-java6 btw) |
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| 19:12.02 | somiaj | apt-cache search sun-java even |
| 19:12.26 | TheWarden | somiaj: mmm I can no results back |
| 19:12.30 | somiaj | philipballew_: unforntally many programers still have better compadability with sun's java, though it is getting way better. |
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| 19:13.10 | TheWarden | somiaj: I saw the package here so that is what I was trying sun-java6-jre http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/sun-java6-jre |
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| 19:14.35 | somiaj | TheWarden: apt-cache policy (do you see a non-free repo enabled)? |
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| 19:15.23 | jhutchins_ | maybe aptitude update? |
| 19:16.13 | injureddeer | what vnc do you use? i wanna remote connect and dont wanna interactm with that what will be on desktop, so when I will be conected dont wanna see same on (real) screen :) |
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| 19:22.58 | jhutchins_ | injureddeer: I think both tightvnc and realvnc default to a seperate screen. |
| 19:24.52 | TheWarden | somiaj: ahh no I don't see one, I think I'm mixing my server up with my laptop at home lol. Now to recall what the non-free repo is |
| 19:25.39 | TheWarden | squeeze main contrib non-free I believe two new lines deb and deb-src and mmm there was one more thing I thought |
| 19:25.57 | dvs | TheWarden: security |
| 19:26.07 | TheWarden | dvs: ? |
| 19:26.30 | dvs | !tell TheWarden about security |
| 19:27.33 | TheWarden | dvs: oh thanks I had no idea |
| 19:27.44 | dvs | np |
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| 19:28.28 | CQ | are there any good syslog analyser packages? most log analysers seem to be for web logs |
| 19:29.35 | chogath | CQ: you can use awstats for all kinds of logs |
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| 19:30.02 | chogath | but mainly for server applications |
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| 19:30.53 | CQ | chogath: I looked at it, but the website seems to be web, ftp, and streaming-media focused... |
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| 19:31.18 | Iridos | injureddeer, x11vnc and vino both use the current desktop. vnc4server, tightvncserver create their own virtual screen |
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| 19:32.19 | CQ | I've got a few desktops and laptops, and a few VMs and want to get the logs centralized (probably rsyslog into a DB) and then get them analyzed for anomalies |
| 19:32.22 | jelly-home | ,versions java-package |
| 19:32.23 | judd | Package: java-package on i386 -- lenny/contrib: 0.42; sid/contrib: 0.50 |
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| 19:32.58 | TheWarden | does this seem right? http://pastebin.com/PLmZq6Ru |
| 19:33.29 | e-type | yay, recompiled ntfs-3g and I can mount ntfs as non-root user |
| 19:33.55 | e-type | I do think this is a problem towards usability |
| 19:34.16 | dvs | TheWarden: lines 17 to 19 are unnecessary |
| 19:34.56 | dvs | TheWarden: add "contrib non-free" to the end of all the other lines |
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| 19:36.38 | Iridos | TheWarden, you have the regular squeeze (and security) repos twice - once only with main and once with main non-free |
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| 19:37.32 | Iridos | TheWarden, you only need them once and if you add "non-free" after main, you should also add contrib (so that it reads e.g. deb http://ftp3.nrc.ca/debian squeeze main contrib non-free) |
| 19:37.41 | TheWarden | dvs: ahh thanks! |
| 19:37.46 | dvs | np |
| 19:38.01 | TheWarden | Iridos: okay, thank you. |
| 19:38.23 | npmapn | Could someone tell me what has to be done to remove the requirement for multiarch-support on squeeze? |
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| 19:38.26 | TheWarden | now, do I remove OpenJDK then if I'm going to install sun-java6-jre? I just need the jre. |
| 19:38.29 | dhbiker | i added the testing repos.... how can i blackist gnome 3 ? is it possible ? |
| 19:38.36 | Iridos | TheWarden, so delete line 17, 18, 19 and edit the near-identical lines 7,8,10 (and 11, which isn't copied) if you want contrib and non-free |
| 19:38.37 | npmapn | I'd appreciate the help. |
| 19:38.48 | vbrummond | dhbiker: there is no reasonable way to accomplish this |
| 19:39.07 | TheWarden | Iridos: yes I have done that as dvs pointed this out. Thanks though. |
| 19:39.17 | Iridos | :) |
| 19:39.33 | npmapn | How can the dependency for multiarch-support be removed when building a package? |
| 19:39.33 | Iridos | ah, didn't see his comment with line-numbers |
| 19:40.03 | dvs | gives Iridos glasses |
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| 19:40.28 | nand` | A few questions concerning ext4: 1. Is there a good reason debian squeeze uses ext3 instead of ext4? 2. Is it easy to upgrade the / fs from ext3 to ext4 without causing it to break and 3. is this a recommended action? |
| 19:40.48 | Vasistha | Iridos: hey, did you ever look at that wiki page? I'd be curious for your input - http://wiki.debian.org/iPhone |
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| 19:41.03 | dondelelcaro | nand`: because ext4 hadn't been around long enough to be a reasonable default for squeeze. It has it as an option, though |
| 19:41.17 | npmapn | nand`: 1. it's been around for longer and thus a safer default 2. yes 3. depends on your opinion. |
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| 19:41.57 | nand` | I think I'll stick with ext3; but some colleagues are bugging me, telling me ext4 is “better in every way than ext3” and I should upgrade immediately |
| 19:42.08 | vbrummond | nand`: specifically I do not know why ext3 is the default but it is certainly more reliable and well tested; as for upgrading ext3 to ext4 it is possible I have done it, best to do from a live cd. http://kernelnewbies.org/Ext4#head-3891522e0601162aab24c73c1f148a1e28c6a9d4 |
| 19:42.43 | nand` | vbrummond: I see. That is unfortunate; I am not easily able to boot a liveCD |
| 19:43.14 | npmapn | Wasn't it possible to mvoe to ext4 by mounting ext3 as ext4? |
| 19:43.19 | npmapn | move * |
| 19:43.23 | vbrummond | nand` you can accomplish it on any umounted filesystem I believe I would not attempt it on a root filesystem |
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| 19:43.35 | vbrummond | npmapn: it does not use any of the useful features like extents if you do |
| 19:43.44 | Iridos | Vasistha, no, didn't. Now what was it I wanted to say to you 1-2 weeks ago when you weren't there *scratches head* |
| 19:43.50 | karlpinc | Strange. I just used pastebinit to paste to paste.debian.net and pastebinit did not display the paste url, just http://paste.debian.net (fyi http://paste.debian.net/158095) |
| 19:43.53 | nand` | vbrummond: I see |
| 19:43.58 | karlpinc | And I'm running stable.... |
| 19:44.01 | dvs | TheWarden: you do know that the licence for the Sun JRE has been revoked, right? |
| 19:44.05 | npmapn | vbrummond: Thanks for pointing that out. I didn't consider the data and the meta-data. |
| 19:44.29 | TheWarden | dvs: yes, but I need this I think to make an application run. OpenJDK doesn't seem to work. |
| 19:44.43 | vbrummond | nand` i mean on a root filesystem that is mounted i should clarify |
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| 19:45.54 | nand` | vbrummond: Alright, well, I can't unmount it either way |
| 19:45.55 | TheWarden | dvs: Unless Oracle has a package for Linux now I don't think I have any other choice |
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| 19:46.40 | npmapn | Is it possible to kill off multi-arch when building a package so multiarch-support isn't required? I tried to comment it out in debian/control, but it still wants to use it. |
| 19:46.45 | dvs | TheWarden: You'd probably pay through the nose if they did. |
| 19:47.17 | CXIV | I hear a white noise....I don't have it on Windows. How fix that? |
| 19:47.25 | TheWarden | dvs: pathetic is what they are. Suppose to be open and run on any platform. This isn't good news for Linux. |
| 19:47.28 | CXIV | DOn't tell me to install Windows :D |
| 19:47.34 | kevlarman | CXIV: hdaudio sound card? |
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| 19:47.51 | CXIV | kevlarman You mean hiend? :D |
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| 19:48.03 | jelly-home | CXIV: mute the inputs (Mic, Line-In)? |
| 19:48.06 | kevlarman | CXIV: no i mean hdaudio |
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| 19:48.10 | avar | What's the encryption mechanism Debian uses for full disk encryption in unstable now? I'm wanting to change the password after installation. |
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| 19:48.31 | Vasistha | Iridos: I'm leaving home, but I'll keep the irc client open, so you can tell me whenever. or email me, I'll pm you my email |
| 19:48.34 | kevlarman | jelly-home: input volumes and the volume that gets echoed back to the output are independant settings |
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| 19:48.52 | CXIV | I muted everything |
| 19:48.56 | kevlarman | (the latter is completely in the hardware) |
| 19:49.04 | Jazo | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:49.11 | Iridos | Vasistha, oh well... not looking at it now |
| 19:49.12 | kevlarman | CXIV: pastebin lspci |
| 19:49.19 | jelly-home | kevlarman: I meant the reprodcution ones, not the recording ones |
| 19:49.19 | kevlarman | and amixer |
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| 19:51.21 | CXIV | http://paste.debian.net/158098/ |
| 19:52.15 | TheWarden | So I guess Java will no longer run on Linux then unless Oracle changes their minds to make it themselves or allow others to do so like the past for JRE and JDK. |
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| 19:53.01 | dvs | TheWarden: OpenJDK is still valid\ |
| 19:53.03 | CXIV | Sorry |
| 19:53.07 | npmapn | Most Oracle things == corporate s&m |
| 19:53.26 | vbrummond | nand`: i should mention though ext4 is a lot faster at a few things (such as disk checks and delete operations, among others). It is very slow on a certain databases and some operations that require syncing |
| 19:53.40 | kevlarman | TheWarden: openjdk is the reference implementation of java now |
| 19:53.40 | jelly-home | TheWarden: "have to download directly from Oracle" is not exactly equal to "does not run" |
| 19:53.41 | CXIV | Here is amixer http://paste.debian.net/158099/ |
| 19:53.45 | TheWarden | dvs: well true but doesn't work in all cases at least from my experience weather that is the fault of OpenJDK or the application I have no idea. |
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| 19:54.02 | TheWarden | jelly-home: oh I thought they didn't make one anymore, sorry. |
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| 19:56.23 | pow4h | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:57.54 | jelly-home | pow4h: which channel did you mean to post that in? |
| 19:58.07 | Iridos | it must be written in the debian programming language |
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| 19:59.13 | Jazo | is there help channel for unreal ? |
| 19:59.19 | nand` | Iridos: looks like an ugly programming language if that would be the case |
| 19:59.25 | CXIV | jazo ut? |
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| 19:59.35 | nand` | I'm guessing UnrealIRCd |
| 19:59.48 | grayghost | how can I force the formatting of a DVD-RW disk ? |
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| 19:59.59 | CXIV | So what about that white noise? :D |
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| 20:00.31 | Jazo | yes unrealIRCd |
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| 20:01.06 | CXIV | Maybe I should change sound server? |
| 20:01.31 | Iridos | nand`, all programming languages but whitespace look ugly, but let us try to get back to on-topic stuff |
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| 20:01.43 | jelly-home | Jazo: try looking for it on the channel bot: /msg alis list *unreal* |
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| 20:03.11 | Iridos | nand`, ops, sorry, that one: http://compsoc.dur.ac.uk/whitespace/ |
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| 20:05.23 | CXIV | How change sound server to esound? |
| 20:05.45 | kevlarman | CXIV: why would you ever want to use esound? |
| 20:05.57 | nand` | Iridos: I've programmed whitespace before :) but yes; CXIV: What's wrong with ALSA? |
| 20:06.02 | CXIV | kevlarman Because of that noise |
| 20:06.13 | kevlarman | esound won't change anything |
| 20:06.30 | nand` | if you're getting noise using a bit-perfect ALSA output then it's your hardware |
| 20:06.38 | CXIV | I do not have this problem on Ubuntu , nor Windows |
| 20:06.44 | nand` | (unless you're having some other issue) |
| 20:06.49 | CXIV | And not on cent os. |
| 20:06.58 | gnarface | CXIV: check your headphone jack, wiggle it and see if that fixes it |
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| 20:07.57 | nand` | I used to get static / noise and other sounds when using onboard due to the erratic load behavior of the CPU and GPU causing fluctuations in the PSU's output voltage or something like that |
| 20:08.14 | meyou | yep |
| 20:08.25 | meyou | i've had that on several machines. you can hear the computer 'working' |
| 20:08.43 | gnarface | its also common for there to be white noise on the analog line from the cdrom to the soundcard - but not everyone has one of those anymore |
| 20:08.44 | meyou | like a loadscreen on a game starts, static gets much louder |
| 20:09.00 | kevlarman | meyou: ew |
| 20:09.20 | gnarface | my white noise goes away when i mute the line in |
| 20:09.20 | kevlarman | meyou: i don't get that when i make my graphics card draw 150W |
| 20:09.44 | gnarface | CXIV: couldnt' be your mic right? |
| 20:09.56 | kreign | meyou, that's partially due to a crap PSU |
| 20:10.00 | meyou | cranking up the 'software' volume and lowering the 'hardware' volume seems to help that |
| 20:10.17 | meyou | guess that's just pushing more SNR |
| 20:10.21 | kreign | and low quality sound hw |
| 20:10.35 | meyou | yep, it's why i refused to use onboard for so long |
| 20:10.42 | meyou | seems to not be as common in newer onboard gear |
| 20:10.48 | gnarface | most souncards are made to run with main at 80% or max and do pretty bad all on their own when you turn it too low |
| 20:11.21 | CXIV | gnarface I do not have mic |
| 20:11.33 | CXIV | I have send here amixer log |
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| 20:11.40 | gnarface | CXIV: you've muted your line in ? |
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| 20:12.15 | CXIV | Yes |
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| 20:13.45 | gnarface | CXIV: try muting your cd-rom |
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| 20:14.01 | nand` | I got it as recent as Realtek HD ALC888 chipsets; a high quality PSU (Seasonic X750, won't find much to complain) helps a great deal but it's still noticeable with headphones |
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| 20:14.12 | CXIV | -_- |
| 20:14.28 | nand` | External DAC/sound card ultimately solves this, using S/PDIF + ALSA's iec958 to bitstream to it; would be the ideal solution here |
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| 20:14.43 | CXIV | OK , i think I know what is going on.... |
| 20:14.54 | gnarface | CXIV: ?? |
| 20:15.01 | gnarface | CXIV: did that work? |
| 20:15.07 | CXIV | When I launch modprobe cmpci |
| 20:15.20 | CXIV | It says that module cannot be found |
| 20:15.44 | CXIV | Can driver be emulated? |
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| 20:16.03 | CXIV | I mean sound... |
| 20:16.25 | CXIV | Because my soundcard should use cmpci |
| 20:16.39 | allain | Hi trying to install flxgr from squeeze backports and it's just giving me a blackscreen when it launches gnome |
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| 20:17.16 | nand` | Is there an easy way to daemonize a program that wants to be run from the command line? (“./autoplay >/dev/null &”) I want it to start automatically and control it via /etc/init.d |
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| 20:18.06 | frostschutz | nand`: start-stop-daemon? |
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| 20:18.58 | vbrummond | CXIV: cmpci seems like it is for OSS |
| 20:19.08 | CXIV | Sorry snd-cmipci |
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| 20:19.17 | CXIV | It works... |
| 20:19.27 | CXIV | But how disable module in realtime? |
| 20:19.52 | kevlarman | allain: you ened nomodeset on your kernel's command line |
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| 20:20.05 | allain | kevlarman, have it. |
| 20:20.34 | kevlarman | allain: is radeon loaded? |
| 20:20.53 | allain | sorry, how would I check that? |
| 20:21.02 | kevlarman | lsmod |
| 20:21.16 | allain | nope |
| 20:21.40 | kevlarman | ,versions fglrx |
| 20:21.41 | judd | No package named 'fglrx' was found in i386. |
| 20:22.08 | CXIV | How disable kernel module in realtime? |
| 20:22.10 | allain | err fglrx |
| 20:22.19 | allain | It's an amd64 kernel |
| 20:22.31 | vbrummond | CXIV: what does that even mean? |
| 20:22.36 | allain | fglrx-driver is available |
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| 20:22.57 | vbrummond | CXIV: to disable a module simply unload it: rmmod or modprobe -r |
| 20:23.08 | CXIV | Thanks |
| 20:23.14 | kevlarman | allain: iirc 11.4 is still too old to run gnome3 |
| 20:23.17 | allain | I'd even accept xserver-xorg-video-radeon too, but it game the same results |
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| 20:23.29 | kevlarman | pick a different DE or a different driver |
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| 20:24.46 | allain | sorry, iirc 11.4, researching now... |
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| 20:34.06 | nadar | hi |
| 20:34.23 | nadar | is there anything know about this kind of cups-bug: |
| 20:34.24 | nadar | failed to CreateProfile: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown:The name org.freedesktop.ColorManager was not provided by any .service files |
| 20:34.27 | nadar | ? |
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| 20:34.39 | nadar | i only found one issue here: http://www.aptosid.com/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&p=14097 |
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| 20:35.00 | nadar | (in debian sid, obviously) |
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| 20:41.46 | allain | Hey trying install fglrx-driver from squeeze-backports but it's complaining about xorg-video-abi-6.0 not being available, what can I do? |
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| 20:47.11 | mkad | Hi |
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| 20:47.20 | mkad | when gcc-4.7 lands in sid ? |
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| 20:56.54 | zleslie | Howdy. I've been using a pacakge or two from wheezy on my squeeze boxes, and now trying to redeploy, it looks like its been removed from wheezy and is only available in sid. How might I find out why this was done? |
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| 20:58.26 | zleslie | mod-gearman-worker is the package. |
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| 20:58.40 | somiaj | zleslie: do not mix wheezy/sid packages with stable packages. |
| 20:58.44 | zleslie | There seem to be client interface pacakges, but nothing with the initscript to launch the daemon |
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| 20:58.59 | somiaj | zleslie: make a backport, there is a chance you have added some bad juju to your system and could have unexpected bugs. |
| 20:59.07 | zleslie | nah |
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| 20:59.32 | somiaj | ,versions libc6 |
| 20:59.34 | judd | Package: libc6 on i386 -- lenny: 2.7-18lenny7; lenny-security: 2.7-18lenny7; squeeze: 2.11.3-2; squeeze-proposed-updates: 2.11.3-3; squeeze-updates: 2.11.3-3; wheezy: 2.13-26; sid: 2.13-27 |
| 20:59.36 | zleslie | But why did it get removed from wheezy? |
| 21:00.17 | somiaj | zleslie: you can check the AQ package for that |
| 21:00.48 | zleslie | ,aq |
| 21:00.52 | somiaj | zleslie: what is the output of 'apt-cache policy libc6' on your system? |
| 21:01.10 | zleslie | 2.11.2-10 is installed |
| 21:01.11 | somiaj | zleslie: sorry QA page, and you can get the link from packages.debian.org |
| 21:01.26 | zleslie | I pinned the the package to a lower priority, I have not borked my system |
| 21:01.29 | somiaj | zleslie: http://packages.qa.debian.org/m/mod-gearman.html |
| 21:01.36 | zleslie | Ahh, cool |
| 21:01.58 | somiaj | zleslie: you just got lucky that the libc6 version it dependend on was good enough in squeeze, this is not uslally the case what you are doing can break systems and usually does |
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| 21:02.10 | somiaj | zleslie: do not even with pinnin include wheezy/sid sources on a stable machine. |
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| 21:02.27 | somiaj | !tell zleslie about ssbp |
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| 21:02.37 | somiaj | make a backport in the future |
| 21:02.49 | zleslie | I am also quite aware of backports |
| 21:03.32 | somiaj | zleslie: and in the future if the package meets all dependency requirements it is also suggested you just download the deb from packages.debian.org and install it, not include a testing/unstable source for it. |
| 21:03.34 | zleslie | But as you can see, the package is not in backports |
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| 21:03.51 | somiaj | which is why I sent you factoid on how to create your own |
| 21:03.58 | zleslie | As a general practice, I agreee with you |
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| 21:15.05 | wolfric | http://seclists.org/fulldisclosure/2012/Feb/470 how is this a security issue |
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| 21:17.02 | wolfric | nvm |
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| 21:22.32 | jhutchins_ | Any known issues upgrading ltsp from lenny to squeeze? |
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| 21:23.17 | jhutchins_ | There weren't any in the errata last I looked. |
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| 21:27.42 | _Sam-- | hi, what do i have to do to get debian curl to support http and https? (im on lenny still on this machine) |
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| 21:28.06 | GNU\colossus | both protocols are supported out of the box. |
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| 21:28.32 | _Sam-- | weird, tried 2 different lenny boxes, both say http and https is not supported in libcurl |
| 21:28.44 | _Sam-- | and i double checked to make sure these werent compiled from source. |
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| 21:30.41 | Iridos | judd, versions curl |
| 21:30.43 | judd | Package: curl on i386 -- lenny: 7.18.2-8lenny4; lenny-proposed-updates: 7.18.2-8lenny6; lenny-security: 7.18.2-8lenny6; squeeze: 7.21.0-2; squeeze-proposed-updates: 7.21.0-2.1+squeeze1; squeeze-security: 7.21.0-2.1+squeeze1; sid: 7.24.0-1; wheezy: 7.24.0-1 |
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| 21:32.05 | _Sam-- | when i do curl -V, it show http and https supported...but when i try an http or https url, it says protocol not supported |
| 21:37.29 | Iridos | _Sam--, seems to work fine in squeeze as far as I can tell - there were some changes upstream between lenny and squeeze version... |
| 21:37.41 | Iridos | but nothing in the changlog indicates it shouldn't work in lenny per se |
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| 21:40.11 | Iridos | _Sam--, check bugs.debian.org/curl in the old archived bugs if you find anything - changelog in squeeze might provide a hint as to which the interesting bugs are |
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| 21:44.29 | gnarface | hmm |
| 21:44.38 | gnarface | WARNING: Audacious seems to be already running but is not responding. |
| 21:44.38 | gnarface | FATAL: No output plugin found. |
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| 22:03.59 | CarelessChaser | Hi all! Where I can found netinstall or cd images with kernel 3.1.x? |
| 22:04.20 | jhutchins_ | CarelessChaser: Correct. |
| 22:04.34 | jhutchins_ | Er, what I mean is I don't think there are any yet. |
| 22:04.38 | jhutchins_ | !kmuto |
| 22:04.39 | dpkg | Unofficial images for installing Debian Squeeze/6.0 using a later kernel (currently Linux 2.6.39) are available from http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ (images are on the CD mirrors). To supply additional firmware, ask me about <installer firmware>. For a USB install, use the lenny instructions: http://www.debian.org/releases/oldstable/i386/ch04s03 |
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| 22:05.48 | jhutchins_ | CarelessChaser: That's where they'd be, and the latest I see is .39 |
| 22:06.36 | TheWarden | Crap I for get if I installed 32-bit or 64-bit OS. How do I find this out again? |
| 22:07.25 | CarelessChaser | thx |
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| 22:07.46 | valdyn | TheWarden: dpkg --print-architecture |
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| 22:07.55 | Iridos | TheWarden, uname -a for the kernel, file /bin/ls for userspace |
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| 22:09.31 | jhutchins_ | TheWarden: uname -a will tell you which kernel |
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| 22:09.47 | jhutchins_ | Iridos: You win the lag war! |
| 22:10.05 | Iridos | and I didn't even know there was one! |
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| 22:10.29 | TheWarden | thanks! |
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| 22:10.57 | Squeezer | Hello gentlemen. |
| 22:11.01 | Squeezer | I have a very noob question |
| 22:11.15 | Squeezer | I bought a virtual server and it has Debian |
| 22:11.25 | Squeezer | I have root access to it |
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| 22:11.41 | Squeezer | however, when I do a apt-cache search subversion for example, nothing comes up |
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| 22:11.47 | Squeezer | am I doing something wrong? |
| 22:11.49 | Squeezer | and if I'm not |
| 22:11.52 | TechDesk | #debian |
| 22:12.02 | TechDesk | oups |
| 22:12.08 | TechDesk | im' not here |
| 22:12.15 | Squeezer | how do I make sure I got the right repository? |
| 22:12.18 | Squeezer | Thanks much |
| 22:12.56 | jhutchins_ | !squeeze sources.list |
| 22:12.56 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://cdn.debian.net/debian/ squeeze main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main". Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <squeeze updates> <squeeze security> and "man sources.list". |
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| 22:13.22 | jhutchins_ | Squeezer: You might want to check with your provider though, some have their own repositiory and customized kernels. |
| 22:13.44 | dualcore | how would you set permissions for a user called testuser to only have access to /var/www/testuser |
| 22:13.53 | Squeezer | jhutchins_: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/558835/ looks OK? |
| 22:14.01 | dualcore | and so when they connect with sftp they can only see that dir |
| 22:14.04 | jhutchins_ | dualcore: Probably set up a chroot shell. |
| 22:14.27 | dualcore | jhutchins_ how? |
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| 22:14.45 | jhutchins_ | Squeezer: Nothing wrong with that, with the above caution. |
| 22:15.04 | jhutchins_ | dualcore: I'm afraid I don't know the details, but that's what you're asking for. |
| 22:15.23 | Squeezer | jhutchins_: doesn't the sources.list show that it's not a customized repository? |
| 22:15.31 | jhutchins_ | dualcore: It puts the user in the specified directory as if it were / |
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| 22:15.41 | jhutchins_ | Oh, well, yes. |
| 22:16.02 | jhutchins_ | aptitude update && I don't remember if you need to apt-cache update seperately. |
| 22:16.07 | Squeezer | maybe I just need an update, huh |
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| 22:16.12 | Squeezer | thanks a lot jhutchins_ <3 |
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| 22:16.36 | Squeezer | it worked, I just needed an update! |
| 22:16.37 | jhutchins_ | dualcore: You migh also want to look at "linux containers" although those are more for applications than shells. |
| 22:16.42 | jhutchins_ | Cool. |
| 22:17.10 | iluminator101 | hi i am getting error i was not able to fix it http://paste.pocoo.org/show/558838/ |
| 22:17.14 | dualcore | can't i just deny access to everything but that dir or is chroot necessary? |
| 22:17.35 | Iridos | jhutchins_, no... updating the same files as far as I'm aware (I didn't check, but never saw anything to the contrary) |
| 22:18.12 | Iridos | dualcore, you cannot and even for a chroot the user will need to see more |
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| 22:20.12 | Iridos | dualcore, there might be some things specific to sftp to allow something similar, but I haven't bothered with sftp yet |
| 22:20.25 | straterra | I'm building a custom patches kernel for debian 6. Where is the proper place to change the kernel name (I'm adding a custom string to it), so that it compiles correctly and new packages are created with the string in it? |
| 22:20.36 | straterra | I'm following http://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/ch-common-tasks.html |
| 22:21.01 | Iridos | dualcore, lots on google about things in that direction, specially interesting might be http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/590 |
| 22:21.03 | kevlarman | iirc sftp does let you chroot a user |
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| 22:21.15 | kevlarman | but i don't remember how anymore |
| 22:21.37 | kevlarman | (they don't even need /bin or the like, sftp has already loaded everything it needs at that point) |
| 22:21.40 | Iridos | straterra, you can just add a custom string to it in the changelog |
| 22:21.53 | straterra | changelog? |
| 22:22.15 | Iridos | hm... actually those kernel packages are different from the regular packages, so I'm not so sure |
| 22:22.23 | sephii | man sshd_config, theres a chroot option |
| 22:22.47 | gnarface | dualcore: you can indeed with the new versions of openssh-server chroot an sftp user |
| 22:23.25 | Iridos | dpkg, kp mantra |
| 22:23.26 | dpkg | [kp mantra] make-kpkg clean ; export VER=$(date +'%Y%m%d') NAMEEXT="-$(hostname)-$(dpkg-architecture -qDEB_HOST_ARCH)"; make-kpkg --revision=$VER --append-to-version=$NAMEEXT --rootcmd fakeroot kernel_image modules_image . Add --initrd before kernel_image if you need an <initrd>. |
| 22:23.34 | Iridos | dpkg, make-kpkg |
| 22:23.35 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, make-kpkg is the tool that you use for compiling the kernel the Debian Way (tm). It makes a package for your custom kernel which you can install and remove easily using dpkg. See http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-kernel.html , man make-kpkg and ask me about <kernel compile> <kp mantra> <kernel build-deps>. |
| 22:23.43 | Iridos | straterra, ^^^ |
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| 22:24.34 | Iridos | straterra, I think append-to-version is what you want |
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| 22:28.18 | injureddeer | 20:31 < Iridos> injureddeer, x11vnc and vino both use the current desktop. vnc4server, tightvncserver create their own virtual screen |
| 22:28.21 | injureddeer | so? |
| 22:28.23 | injureddeer | how works ?:p |
| 22:28.25 | injureddeer | Iridos: |
| 22:28.45 | Iridos | what? |
| 22:28.51 | injureddeer | I wanna connect to to remote PC |
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| 22:29.05 | injureddeer | and dont wanna show others my desktop (who can look real screen) |
| 22:29.13 | injureddeer | then what will be good :)? |
| 22:29.15 | dualcore | thank you |
| 22:29.44 | Iridos | I thought I answered that |
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| 22:29.53 | injureddeer | ok |
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| 22:30.03 | injureddeer | whitch is better ;d? |
| 22:30.18 | jhutchins_ | injureddeer: Which is better, green or blue? |
| 22:30.36 | Iridos | jhutchins_, YELLOW!!!!111 |
| 22:31.03 | injureddeer | jhutchins_: green |
| 22:31.11 | injureddeer | why you ask? |
| 22:31.32 | jhutchins_ | injureddeer: In that case go with tightvnc. |
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| 22:31.55 | jhutchins_ | Done! |
| 22:31.56 | poincare101 | is there some way to redirect "time"'s output to a file? |
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| 22:32.31 | gnarface | poincare101: doesn't > [filename] 2>&1 work? |
| 22:32.34 | Iridos | jhutchins_lt, hehe |
| 22:33.04 | poincare101 | gnarface: what's the 2>&1 mean? |
| 22:33.28 | gnarface | poincare101: "also stderr" |
| 22:33.41 | Iridos | poincare101, it's a secret code to redirect the output of time |
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| 22:34.08 | Iridos | gnarface, you ruined it! |
| 22:34.13 | gnarface | Iridos: sorry |
| 22:34.17 | gnarface | Iridos: i'm not good at humor |
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| 22:34.28 | Iridos | me neither |
| 22:34.29 | tremon | gnarface: iirc, first redirecting stdout and then redirecting stderr to stdout might not do what you want |
| 22:34.32 | Iridos | that's why I practice such a lot |
| 22:35.06 | gnarface | tremon: i don't know 'time' so ... possibly not. that's why i posed it as a question |
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| 22:36.13 | Iridos | hm, right, didn't think of that... more like (time ls) >bla 2>&1 |
| 22:36.18 | tremon | gnarface: that's not what I meant. There's a difference between 2>&1 1>[..] and 1>[..] 2>&1, depending on which shell (version) you're using |
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| 22:37.03 | gnarface | tremon: oh? what is it? |
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| 22:38.23 | tremon | tremon: the second might still send stderr to the terminal (sent to stdout but not redirected to the file) |
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| 22:38.26 | Iridos | tremon, what shells act differently? |
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| 22:38.32 | cardamon | pfffbt |
| 22:38.44 | tremon | Iridos: don't remember, but I remember being bitten by it a few times |
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| 22:39.23 | cardamon | One seeder for Debian 6 cd1...when am I gonna learn to hang onto my disks. |
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| 22:40.05 | gnarface | tremon: probably not on linux, definitely not on debian any time recently |
| 22:40.17 | Iridos | tremon, well, csh is very different in that regard... and I haven't used it for long enough so I don't remember details |
| 22:40.27 | Iridos | but luckily (nearly) nobody uses that anymore |
| 22:42.15 | cardamon | I recall reading that bash was derivative of bourne and csh. |
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| 22:43.32 | gnarface | i thought it was a derivative of bourne and ksh? |
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| 22:44.50 | cardamon | I'm hardly omniscient. |
| 22:45.01 | karlpinc | tremon: Well, if you're writing for bash and you use something stricly posix like dash then you'll have problems with the bashisms. |
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| 22:45.34 | karlpinc | tremon: But that's not what you're talking about. |
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| 22:46.48 | delta70 | lista |
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| 22:47.09 | poincare101 | Hi everyone. I'm trying to get 'time' output redirected to a file. This is the command I'm running: http://pastie.org/3491949 But, its just spitting it out on my console (and not going to time500) |
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| 22:48.43 | alex- | Is the debian kernel modified for server usage like ubuntu-server? |
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| 22:49.16 | dondelelcaro | alex-: no, you just use the same kernel. |
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| 22:49.42 | tremon | poincare101: time is a bash built-in. You need (time [command]) 2>> file |
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| 22:50.47 | alex- | why dondelelcaro ? |
| 22:50.56 | dondelelcaro | alex-: you can switch to the settings that Ubuntu uses for the server if you want, but there's not that many of them: https://help.ubuntu.com/10.10/serverguide/C/preparing-to-install.html#intro-kernel-diffs |
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| 22:51.06 | abrotman | alex-: why not? |
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| 22:51.31 | dondelelcaro | alex-: because tuning depends on what the server is actually doing, and all of those knobs are available for tweaking without separate packages. |
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| 22:52.04 | shtrb | for some reason I don't have the password change option in linphone-3 (unstable) anyone have ideas ? |
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| 22:56.11 | alex- | huh |
| 22:56.18 | alex- | without seperate packages? |
| 22:56.37 | shtrb | alex, for me ? |
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| 23:00.53 | resus | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:10.48 | gnarface | ,versions libev |
| 23:10.49 | judd | No package named 'libev' was found in i386. |
| 23:10.51 | gnarface | ,versions libev3 |
| 23:10.52 | judd | Package: libev3 on i386 -- lenny: 3.43-1.1; squeeze: 1:3.9-1 |
| 23:10.54 | gnarface | ,versions libev4 |
| 23:10.55 | judd | Package: libev4 on i386 -- sid: 1:4.11-1; wheezy: 1:4.11-1 |
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| 23:13.46 | CQ | resus: try asking in #networking ... |
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| 23:14.14 | CQ | resus: but I would assume so... |
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| 23:15.03 | FDFlock | Hello, quick question about checkinstall: Is checkinstall able to track *any* installation of 3rd party software (commercial) distributed with a "install.sh" script? |
| 23:15.06 | FDFlock | Basically, would it be absolutely safe to try it? (I don't care if it fails, as long as it doesn't damage my system) |
| 23:15.34 | abrotman | FDFlock: i believe that's the idea .. seems like something to test in a VM ? |
| 23:15.39 | abrotman | if you're that worried i mean |
| 23:16.38 | FDFlock | abrotman: good idea about the VM (I already use kvm), unfortunately I have very limited disk space right now |
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| 23:16.58 | abrotman | FDFlock: how big is this package?! |
| 23:17.05 | cemiotic | how do i get whole suite of a package of debian unstabe onto a folder from within debian stable; wine package for the example? |
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| 23:17.25 | resus | CQ thanks they helped me |
| 23:17.41 | FDFlock | 1-1.5 GB maybe, but / has only 1.6 GB! |
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| 23:18.06 | FDFlock | (an SSD is fast but you have to make some compromises!) |
| 23:18.28 | abrotman | FDFlock: stick a USB stick in, use that ? |
| 23:18.45 | felkor | cemiotic, maybe "apt-get install ... --download-only" |
| 23:19.07 | abrotman | cemiotic: use a chroot perhaps? |
| 23:19.14 | FDFlock | mine is painfully slow, but that's a good idea as well, I'll do it if all else fails |
| 23:19.19 | felkor | also |
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| 23:20.10 | cemiotic | yeah but i want the unstable sources |
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| 23:20.27 | felkor | but to get just the packages, if wine is not installed in the squeeze, then apt-get could suffice, besides the sources.list |
| 23:20.27 | FDFlock | The actual question is more like: Is checkinstall taking good care of my systems safety, even if it fails? The software is commercial from a VERY trusted source, what I don't trust is their installation script |
| 23:20.32 | GJdan | what do these permissions mean? specifically the S -rw-rwSr-- |
| 23:20.40 | cemiotic | only in order to get the wine suite |
| 23:20.43 | FDFlock | *system's |
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| 23:21.13 | abrotman | !tell GJdan about permissions |
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| 23:21.48 | felkor | cemiotic, replace squeeze with sid in sources-list? |
| 23:21.58 | bandito | do the debian gods have a preference between kvm and xen? |
| 23:22.00 | GJdan | lots of reading :\ well thanks anyways :D |
| 23:22.18 | felkor | after the download put everything back, cemiotic |
| 23:22.25 | cemiotic | felkor ok i'll try that out |
| 23:22.36 | FDFlock | bandito: I don't know, but I can say that kvm works very well for me. Didn't try xen. |
| 23:22.38 | felkor | cemiotic, --download-only! |
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| 23:22.59 | gnarface | ,versions stud |
| 23:23.00 | judd | Package: stud on i386 -- sid: 0.3-1; wheezy: 0.3-1 |
| 23:23.06 | abrotman | gnarface: you can msg the bot any time ... |
| 23:23.17 | abrotman | cemiotic: probaby better to use a chroot |
| 23:23.34 | felkor | abrotman, yes, to get everything in order |
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| 23:25.19 | felkor | i was suggesting --download-only as a shortcut. if used carefully (put everything back) and wine is not installed, it might work. |
| 23:25.41 | abrotman | not likely ... |
| 23:25.49 | felkor | why not? |
| 23:26.12 | abrotman | those packages won't install on squeeze most likely |
| 23:26.35 | felkor | --download-only doesnt install |
| 23:26.38 | abrotman | then his system will be stuck in some dependency loop .. and then he'll come bakc here and say "someone told me just to change my sources just to get wine" and then we'll tell him that's an awful idea |
| 23:26.48 | abrotman | felkor: and where's he going to install those packages to? |
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| 23:27.22 | felkor | abrotman, i suppose in the offline unstable |
| 23:27.36 | abrotman | suppose eh? |
| 23:27.47 | felkor | y, from his question :) |
| 23:27.57 | abrotman | he didn't say that .. he just asked how to get the packages |
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| 23:28.55 | felkor | y, ur right abrotman |
| 23:29.08 | felkor | he may try to install them in squeeze |
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| 23:29.34 | felkor | but he didnt say he would install them, just to get the packages |
| 23:29.46 | abrotman | maybe he'll just look at them |
| 23:29.50 | felkor | s/say/ask/ |
| 23:30.32 | cemiotic | abrotman so you consider it, installing sid's wine onto squeeze, not a good idea? |
| 23:30.58 | felkor | cemiotic, dependency hell maybe |
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| 23:31.21 | themill | s/maybe// |
| 23:31.28 | felkor | is there some backport of wine cemiotic ? |
| 23:31.44 | abrotman | cemiotic: your system will end up in a pile of tears |
| 23:31.55 | felkor | if there is thats what u should install, maybe from wine website |
| 23:32.05 | cemiotic | felkor so how am i to set up on getting the latest version of wine on squeeze? |
| 23:32.08 | abrotman | the winehq.com packages are for unstable |
| 23:33.10 | cemiotic | felkor, good idea. i'll check upon it |
| 23:33.49 | felkor | cemiotic, check if the wine site packages are for unstable, as abrotman said |
| 23:34.31 | felkor | if they are u'll have the same problem, cemiotic |
| 23:34.31 | cemiotic | thanks to both of you |
| 23:34.37 | abrotman | !u |
| 23:34.38 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 23:35.01 | felkor | sorry |
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| 23:47.24 | coffeecup | hello, i've a question regarding iptables and port forwarding.... i wrote it down here http://pastebin.com/bG3YzXz4, maybe someone can have a look at it |
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| 23:50.50 | Really_Likes_Nut | hey guys im a bit of a debian noob. when i use apt-get it tells me to insert the CD but if i press enter it seems to fetch it from the mirrors. It keeps asking for the cd though. How do i tell it to always get from the mirrors? |
| 23:51.16 | abrotman | Really_Likes_Nut: edit your /etc/apt/sources.list .. put a # in front of the cdrom lines |
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| 23:52.11 | Really_Likes_Nut | cheers, that doesnt seem like particularly clever default behaivour |
| 23:52.23 | abrotman | Really_Likes_Nut: depends how the system is installed .. |
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| 23:53.21 | Really_Likes_Nut | oh and if i wanted to move to sid would i just need to edit sources.list to the sid mirrors? |
| 23:53.42 | abrotman | !iyhtays |
| 23:53.43 | dpkg | If you have to ask, you shouldn't. |
| 23:53.44 | themill | would recommend against such a move |
| 23:54.11 | abrotman | coffeecup: you probably sohuld ask #netfilter |
| 23:55.22 | coffeecup | abrotman: ty haven't thought of that |
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| 23:58.20 | ruif13 | hi need help |
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| 23:58.34 | ruif13 | setlocale: LC_ALL: cannot change locale (en_US.UTF-8): |
| 23:58.43 | Rienzilla | install the locale |
| 23:58.47 | ruif13 | :( i use locale |
| 23:58.54 | abrotman | ruif13: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 23:59.04 | ruif13 | gona try |
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