| 00:00.12 | ruif13 | i use pt_PT.UTF-8 |
| 00:00.22 | ruif13 | i can use en_US too? |
| 00:01.13 | abrotman | you can generate both of them, but only have one default |
| 00:02.10 | ruif13 | in reconfigure i can select both? |
| 00:02.13 | ruif13 | gona try |
| 00:03.13 | ruif13 | yes it works |
| 00:03.15 | ruif13 | thanks! |
| 00:03.21 | abrotman | enjoy! |
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| 00:11.38 | gnarface | ok so i'm trying to backport stud to squeeze myself and i'm running into a point where i want to install the deb line for sid not just the deb-src line as the instructions in the dpkg bot's factoid says |
| 00:11.55 | abrotman | ? |
| 00:11.56 | gnarface | but i'm assuming this is because i'm doing something wrong or misunderstanding the factoid |
| 00:12.02 | gnarface | well |
| 00:12.06 | abrotman | gnarface: you sohuld only have the deb-src line |
| 00:12.22 | gnarface | but it says no package available for libssl-dev then that satisfies the build dependencies |
| 00:12.36 | themill | ,checkbackport sid |
| 00:12.37 | judd | No package named 'sid' was found in sid/i386. |
| 00:12.39 | themill | ,checkbackport stud |
| 00:12.40 | judd | Backporting package stud in sid→squeeze/i386: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: libssl-dev (>= 1.0.0). |
| 00:12.47 | themill | that would be why... |
| 00:12.57 | gnarface | but sid has libssl-dev >= 1.0.0 according to judd |
| 00:13.04 | gnarface | ,versions libssl-dev |
| 00:13.05 | judd | Package: libssl-dev on i386 -- lenny: 0.9.8g-15+lenny13; lenny-proposed-updates: 0.9.8g-15+lenny16; lenny-security: 0.9.8g-15+lenny16; lenny-backports: 0.9.8o-4squeeze4~bpo50+1; squeeze: 0.9.8o-4squeeze7; squeeze-security: 0.9.8o-4squeeze7; sid: 1.0.0g-1; wheezy: 1.0.0g-1 |
| 00:13.08 | themill | gnarface: following the instructions doesn't guarantee that it is buildable. |
| 00:13.15 | gnarface | sid: 1.0.0g-1 |
| 00:13.17 | gnarface | so uh... ? |
| 00:13.27 | gnarface | as far as i understand it this should work |
| 00:13.31 | themill | gnarface: the whole point is *not* to install binary packages from a different distribution |
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| 00:13.49 | gnarface | themill: so there's a binary package for it just no source package ? |
| 00:14.01 | themill | ? |
| 00:15.11 | gnarface | themill: i still don't understand why it doesn't work |
| 00:15.35 | themill | gnarface: there's no libssl-dev in squeeze that satisfies that dependency |
| 00:16.09 | jhutchins_lt | gnarface: You'd have to backport that too. |
| 00:16.11 | gnarface | ah |
| 00:16.13 | gnarface | i see |
| 00:16.18 | gnarface | ok |
| 00:16.20 | gnarface | thanks |
| 00:16.33 | gnarface | figured it would do that for me |
| 00:16.35 | themill | you don't want to try backporting a library like openssl |
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| 00:16.45 | gnarface | oh themill, don't i fucking know it |
| 00:16.49 | gnarface | believe me i'm doing this under duress |
| 00:16.53 | jhutchins_lt | gnarface: This is the kind of project where we have the chance to learn that dependency hell is not just on rpm systems. |
| 00:17.39 | gnarface | jhutchins_lt: my client has requested that i do this against similar advice i've already given them |
| 00:18.00 | gnarface | jhutchins_lt: its "but we need it for performance..." |
| 00:18.03 | abrotman | jhutchins_lt: that's not what dependency hell referred to .. |
| 00:18.30 | themill | gnarface: look over the source package for stud and work out if there's a reason why it actually has that versioned build-dep. You may be able to relax it with a little work on the source package |
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| 00:18.51 | dodo | hi all |
| 00:19.08 | gnarface | themill: i have and i can't. despite what the README claims, it builds just fine against the version of libssl and libev already in squeeze |
| 00:19.17 | dodo | where can I find debian PowerPC chat? |
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| 00:19.28 | abrotman | !tell dodo about ppc |
| 00:19.56 | dodo | abrotman: find it, ty! |
| 00:19.57 | themill | gnarface: umm.... so if it builds fine against libssl in squeeze, why can't you relax that build-dep? |
| 00:20.11 | dodo | I'll post my question als here, maybe someone could help me too |
| 00:20.34 | dodo | hi have this same problem on PowerMac G3 B&W--> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=578269 |
| 00:21.04 | gnarface | themill: i did. i'm doing this while i wait for confirmation on why the package i already made didn't work for them. its possible it was never tested and it was refused because some developer wouldn't even bother until he heard i'd compiled it against libssl1.0+ as requested |
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| 00:21.39 | themill | gnarface: ahh... |
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| 00:22.33 | themill | gnarface: we can lend you our cluebat for a while if you want. We hire it out at quite reasonable rates. |
| 00:23.05 | gnarface | themill: thanks, i'll keep that in mind :) |
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| 00:26.39 | cheapie | I have 2 questions. One is that PulseAudio won't work. The other is about setting up a command to run after the network comes up. Which one do you want to hear first? |
| 00:27.38 | ksx4system | how can I forbid one of users doing cd .. from his $home? |
| 00:29.05 | dondelelcaro | ksx4system: you can't |
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| 00:29.19 | dondelelcaro | cheapie: the second, man 5 interfaces; read about an up command |
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| 00:29.45 | dondelelcaro | cheapie: for the first, you'll have to give us significantly more detail |
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| 00:30.24 | cheapie | dondelelcaro: That's about what I expected, an "RTFM" response, at least I know what manual to read now. Thanks. As for the first, I'll get back to you once the second gets fixed. |
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| 00:31.43 | dodo | ??? |
| 00:31.45 | dondelelcaro | cheapie: well, that's literally what you do... search for 'up command' |
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| 00:32.50 | cheapie | dondelelcaro: Yes, I know, I was expecting an "RTFM" response, and that's more or less what I wanted, to know what manual to read. |
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| 00:34.32 | cheapie | dondelelcaro: Now, in /etc/network (I think that's where I need to be), I see folders for down, post-down, pre-up, up, and run. I'm trying to make something run after the network comes up. Should I create a "if-post-up.d" folder? |
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| 00:35.45 | themill | cheapie: surprisingly, this is covered in interfaces(5). Did you read that yet? |
| 00:36.26 | dvs | gasps |
| 00:36.46 | cheapie | themill: I just read it again - looks like I should create it... |
| 00:37.30 | themill | it tells you that "up" means "post-up". |
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| 00:38.27 | cheapie | themill: I don't see that anywhere... |
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| 00:38.44 | WormFood | is there a better way to hot remove a hard drive, other than issuing an hdparm -Y command to that drive? |
| 00:39.03 | cardamon | Can I cat the non-hybrid CD iso to a USB flash drive? |
| 00:39.50 | abrotman | cardamon: what non-hybrid ? |
| 00:40.07 | WormFood | when I have a timestamp in the format of 2011-11-01.174842+0800CST does it mean that the time is in UTC, and that I need to add 8 hours to get my local time...or does it mean that is the adjusted time, and they're giving the offset (+8) to get back to UTC? |
| 00:40.10 | cardamon | abrotman: it didn't say hybrid in the filename, so I'm assuming it's not hybrid. |
| 00:40.38 | abrotman | cardamon: what's the name of the ISO ? |
| 00:40.40 | cardamon | debian-6.0.4-i386-CD-1.iso |
| 00:40.42 | WormFood | cardamon, you can try it, it can't hurt anything if it don't work. |
| 00:41.02 | abrotman | cardamon: yes, hybrid . have fun! |
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| 00:41.17 | themill | WormFood: I'd assume it's in CST which is defined as +0800 for you. But I'd want to see the code that generated that sort of muck too. |
| 00:41.51 | WormFood | that particular one is from pidgin/purple...I assumed it was a standard format, since I've seen it before (maybe I only saw it in my pidgin logs) |
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| 00:42.13 | themill | you could see if date(1) swallows it |
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| 00:42.23 | WormFood | good idea |
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| 00:42.51 | DoctorDude | any adroid SELinux users around? |
| 00:42.56 | DoctorDude | adroit* |
| 00:43.05 | WormFood | DoctorDude, wrong channel |
| 00:43.28 | DoctorDude | Maybe not - working with a debian system... |
| 00:43.50 | WormFood | ok |
| 00:44.09 | cheapie | DoctorDude: Ehh...what's "adroit"? |
| 00:44.18 | DoctorDude | Skilled |
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| 00:45.35 | cheapie | Umm...here we go. |
| 00:45.38 | cheapie | !selinux |
| 00:45.38 | dpkg | Security Enhanced Linux (SELinux) is NSA's port of the FLASK Security Architecture to Linux. Also it can make your system unbootable if you uninstall it. Unofficial FAQ: http://www.crypt.gen.nz/selinux/faq.html . http://wiki.debian.org/SELinux http://selinuxproject.org/ #selinux on irc.freenode.net. See also <apparmor>, <tomoyo>. |
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| 00:46.23 | ScottG | Is there a way to make cups automatically "resume" a printer? It seems that I need to go into cups and do this manually to fix 90% of the problems I have printing. |
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| 00:46.59 | themill | ScottG: yeah, there's an option in "management" for that in the web interface |
| 00:47.00 | DoctorDude | Well my issue is with SELinux and GNOME on my debian system...when SELinux is enforcing it doesn't allow GNOME to work properly. In permissive I can log in just fine (obviously), and then i used audit2allow to generate a policy module and installed it. Doesn't seem to have an effect though... |
| 00:47.22 | DoctorDude | when im enforcing again |
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| 00:48.12 | themill | ScottG: Administration→Set default options→Policies→Error policy: retry current job |
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| 00:48.25 | whatsphere | http://whatsphere.com/whatsphere4/ |
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| 00:50.04 | ScottG | themill: Ah awesome. For me I didn't go to Administration but had to select a printer, just fyi |
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| 00:50.53 | themill | ScottG: yeah, the admin dropdown is per-printer - different versions of cups make it look different though. Glad you're sorted. |
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| 00:51.44 | whisk | got a strange problem in debian on ppc |
| 00:51.45 | ScottG | themill: That seems like an odd default that the entire printer is stopped on a printing error. |
| 00:51.55 | whisk | colors are off in all SDL games, and the menu icons in fluxbox |
| 00:52.00 | themill | ScottG: yes and no... |
| 00:52.06 | ScottG | Go on |
| 00:52.34 | whisk | thats all I got |
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| 00:52.42 | whisk | its on an xbox 360 |
| 00:52.58 | whisk | figured it was just sdl until I saw the icons in fluxbox off too |
| 00:53.03 | whisk | its like everything is tinted yellow |
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| 01:06.38 | ksx4system | what's wrong with this? http://www.howtoforge.com/restricting-users-to-sftp-plus-setting-up-chrooted-ssh-sftp-debian-squeeze |
| 01:06.47 | ksx4system | sftp of course works but user can login using ssh too |
| 01:07.06 | ksx4system | i don't want to allow command line interface for this user, sftp only |
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| 01:07.30 | grid_bug | What package provides /usr/bin/phonet-at |
| 01:07.34 | kevlarman | ksx4system: did you skip the forcecommand part? |
| 01:07.35 | karlpinc | ksx4system: You probably need to turn off ssh shell in pam. That means restarting the daemon. |
| 01:07.42 | karlpinc | !tell grid_bug about apt-file |
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| 01:07.53 | gnarface | ksx4system: i'm pretty sure there's an sftp only parameter in the sshd config... did you read the docs? |
| 01:08.00 | ksx4system | kevlarman: nope |
| 01:08.08 | gnarface | ksx4system: by 'the docs' of course i mean the manpage for sshd_confg |
| 01:09.03 | DoctorDude | Having a problem with SELinux on my debian system, anyone a capable SELinux user who thinks they can help? :) |
| 01:09.39 | ksx4system | gnarface: yes I did and it didn't help me |
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| 01:10.33 | gnarface | ksx4system: what happens if you put /bin/false as their shell in /etc/passwd ?does that also block sftp? |
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| 01:11.07 | ksx4system | gnarface: oh, fixed... chroot line was not needed :) now it works |
| 01:11.10 | abrotman | ksx4system: why not use the scponly package ? |
| 01:11.19 | taza | Where would I find what what the "Laptop" installation choice at the installer contains? |
| 01:11.21 | ksx4system | abrotman: ? |
| 01:11.29 | taza | And if necessary, install it because I missed it during the install. |
| 01:12.13 | taza | ... "tasksel"? |
| 01:14.32 | abrotman | ksx4system: eh ? |
| 01:14.54 | abrotman | maybe i misread the question |
| 01:16.32 | vbrummond | taza: tasksel --task-packages laptop |
| 01:17.08 | vbrummond | wireless-tools acpi-support cpufrequtils acpi wpasupplicant powertop acpid apmd pcmciautils pm-utils anacron avahi-autoipd bluetooth |
| 01:17.11 | taza | vbrummond: Just "tasksel" gave me the GUI, and that solved it, but thanks anyway |
| 01:17.25 | taza | I'm aiming to have something useful come out of this Eee 701 |
| 01:17.53 | taza | And Ubuntu has a fairly serious package bug making it not work. |
| 01:18.32 | vbrummond | taza: not sure if this will have useful information or not, hopefully it does ^^ http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC |
| 01:18.41 | taza | Already got it open, thanks. :p |
| 01:19.02 | vbrummond | your one step ahead of me, nice :) |
| 01:19.15 | vbrummond | you're* |
| 01:19.27 | taza | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/877878 |
| 01:19.40 | taza | Specific Ubuntu bug making the device almost entirely unusable. Ugh. |
| 01:20.02 | taza | ... so Debian it is. The choice for a bit more effort for a system that doesn't do stuff like, well, Ubuntu. |
| 01:22.02 | vbrummond | Well I hope you like Debian. It is some work at first, less work later |
| 01:22.15 | taza | I used Debian long before I used Ubuntu. |
| 01:22.20 | taza | ... I used Mandrake before that. |
| 01:22.41 | vbrummond | very cool |
| 01:23.08 | taza | Ubuntu is brains-off Linux, but that has never worked with an original Eee. |
| 01:24.07 | taza | Since it assumes, among other things, that you have significantly more hard drive space than physical memory. And that you have plentiful hard drive space. |
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| 01:25.06 | vbrummond | if you do decide to use ubuntu again, it does have a mini iso for custom installs |
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| 01:25.17 | taza | With 4gbyte of hard drive space and 2gbyte of memory, well. |
| 01:25.18 | taza | Yeah, well. |
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| 01:25.55 | taza | I'll wait Lubuntu to get official before even trying with these old systems |
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| 01:27.22 | taza | But yeah, this thing has ALWAYS been a bit unreliable. You need to overclock it for the SDHC reader to work, for example. |
| 01:27.38 | taza | (Well, increase processor voltage. I don't know HOW that works, but it reliably does.) |
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| 01:35.33 | allain | I need to get a driver installed for my "ATI Technologies Inc Device 9806" VGA compatible screen on 6.0.4 with a 3.2.0 driver. My monitor is not recognized right now so I'm stuck with terrible resolution. What should I do? |
| 01:35.46 | allain | err 3.2.0 kernel |
| 01:36.12 | vbrummond | allain: you might need ati firmware |
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| 01:36.30 | taza | Firmware? |
| 01:36.38 | Omni|Work | Is this the right place for a question about apt/dpkg? |
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| 01:37.25 | vbrummond | allain: i am not sure this is the case as I never used ati; however a friend that I set up linux for had poor resolution until I installed firmware files: http://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo#Installing_proprietary_firmware |
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| 01:38.06 | vbrummond | you can check if this is the case by running: dmesg | grep firmware |
| 01:38.19 | Omni|Work | I'll ask anyway... :-) How do I install a package the provides a particular file? |
| 01:38.45 | Omni|Work | I know what file I want to appear in my filesystem, but not which package contains it. |
| 01:39.07 | vbrummond | 0mni|Work: use the bottom search here: http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages |
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| 01:41.05 | Omni|Work | How very interesting... |
| 01:41.54 | allain | vbrummond. Thank you unfortunately my version 9806 is not in one the ranges in that list |
| 01:42.02 | allain | will continue to look |
| 01:42.13 | vbrummond | allain: did you run the dmesg | grep firmware command? |
| 01:42.23 | allain | running now... |
| 01:42.41 | allain | empty |
| 01:42.47 | dvs | what the heck does "lspci -nn | grep -i vga" say? |
| 01:43.04 | vbrummond | yup then the issue isnt firmwarer |
| 01:43.09 | vbrummond | firmware* |
| 01:43.34 | allain | dvs detailed info of all pci devices that contain the letters VGA in their descriptions |
| 01:44.00 | allain | lspci -nn | grep VGA |
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| 01:45.07 | Omni|Work | If you find a package with apt-cache search, how can you tell which repository it comes from? |
| 01:45.42 | gnarface | so is the reason why there's no libssl-dev 1.0 backport for squeeze because it depends on basically all of wheezy/sid ? |
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| 01:46.47 | vbrummond | 0mni|Work: apt-cache policy nameofpackage |
| 01:48.54 | vbrummond | allain: is your device actually a Radeon 6250 |
| 01:49.23 | dvs | that's what I was trying to get at |
| 01:49.35 | allain | Really? 00:01.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Device 9806 (prog-if 00 [VGA controller]) |
| 01:49.37 | Omni|Work | vbrummond: Thanks for your help. I think I need to ask the Ubuntu people now. :-) |
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| 01:49.45 | allain | that's the result of lspci -v |
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| 01:50.02 | dvs | try lspci -nn |
| 01:50.09 | vbrummond | i did a search for "9806" and came up with articles stating its actually "6250" |
| 01:50.41 | allain | vbrummond http://pastebin.com/FaeaJt79 |
| 01:50.42 | allain | Thanks |
| 01:52.01 | s7r | i want to run an irc server |
| 01:52.04 | s7r | what software you recommend |
| 01:52.08 | s7r | easiest to use |
| 01:53.13 | abrotman | s7r: which ones are in Debian ? |
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| 01:55.32 | Zelator | is it possible to build Gnome 2.32 for Wheezy using these sources: http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/desktop/2.32/2.32.0/sources/ |
| 01:55.34 | Zelator | ? |
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| 01:55.55 | abrotman | probably not .. use gnome3 or find another WM |
| 01:55.59 | abrotman | gnome2 is dead upstream |
| 01:56.12 | fragrant | Hi, it's not finding the debian-6.0.4 iso |
| 01:56.18 | fragrant | I'm trying to install from hard disk |
| 01:56.30 | fragrant | I put the vmlinuz and initrd.gz in /boot/ |
| 01:56.43 | fragrant | But scanning for debian iso it can't find that iso |
| 01:56.45 | fragrant | Why? |
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| 01:57.16 | Zelator | abrotman, gnome 3 is definitely not an option as for me so as for many other people. That's a monstrosity that makes linux look ugly... |
| 01:57.21 | LtL | s7r: if you prefer a debian packaged ircd use, aptitude search ircd ; you have a choice(s) |
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| 01:57.26 | fragrant | I downloaded hd-media from http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/squeeze/main/installer-i386/current/images/hd-media/ |
| 01:57.28 | fragrant | abrotman: ^ |
| 01:57.32 | abrotman | Zelator: i like it .. but anyway .. those are your choices |
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| 01:57.55 | fragrant | Zelator: I didn't like gnome-3 menu |
| 01:58.01 | Zelator | abrotman, as for other WMs... they're ok i guess, it's just that i prefer something more flashy than just xfce or some openbox thing.. |
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| 01:58.11 | abrotman | !tell Zelator about cinnamon |
| 01:58.12 | fragrant | The older gnome Application menu was good |
| 01:58.13 | Zelator | Fragggyi don't like anything about it. Seriously... |
| 01:58.21 | Zelator | abrotman, thanks, i know about cinnamon |
| 01:58.34 | Zelator | abrotman, but i read somewhere that it's still in its beta phase.. |
| 01:58.35 | abrotman | Zelator: okay .. well, i guess you have some choices to make |
| 01:58.36 | fragrant | abrotman: Hi, can you tell me why http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/squeeze/main/installer-i386/current/images/hd-media/ doesn't find debian-6.0.4 iso? |
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| 01:58.52 | abrotman | fragrant: wrong place to look .. |
| 01:59.11 | fragrant | abrotman: Can't understand your point |
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| 01:59.18 | fragrant | abrotman: What did you mean? |
| 01:59.26 | Zelator | by the way.. it's me.. i lost my perfect debian copy... that's why i'm looking for something else instead of ressurecting everything from zero.. |
| 01:59.38 | fragrant | abrotman: I was trying to install debian from hard disk |
| 02:00.00 | abrotman | fragrant: fragrant http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.4/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 02:00.05 | abrotman | those are ISOs |
| 02:00.18 | fragrant | abrotman: :) i have already that iso |
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| 02:00.32 | fragrant | abrotman: I was trying to install from hard disk |
| 02:01.18 | fragrant | abrotman: I have this, debian-6.0.4-i386-CD-1.iso |
| 02:01.23 | Moebius | now i'm having probs... also those people removed kernel 2.6.38 from backports.. THAT one was the BEST for me... now what am i to do.. i found actually a netinstall of that japanese guy with kernel 2.6.38 integrated.. but i think it works kinda differently, dunno.. i couldn't get nvidia drivers to work this time.. hdd led would just flash around and that's it... |
| 02:01.47 | Moebius | so yeah.. that's the end of the line for me... *sigh* |
| 02:02.23 | fragrant | abrotman: I downloaded the vmlinuz and initrd from ,http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/squeeze/main/installer-i386/current/images/hd-media/ |
| 02:02.33 | fragrant | abrotman: Is there any problem with that? |
| 02:03.11 | dvs | 3.2.9 |
| 02:04.20 | fragrant | abrotman: ? |
| 02:04.34 | fragrant | Can anyone tell me where i'm doing the mistake installing from hard disk? |
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| 02:05.44 | fragrant | I was trying to boot from hard disk, putting the debian-6.0.4 in hard disk partition |
| 02:05.47 | fragrant | Anyone? |
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| 02:06.12 | s7r | i can't install irc |
| 02:06.13 | s7r | ircd |
| 02:06.16 | s7r | via apt-get |
| 02:06.22 | s7r | any other easy to use irc serer? |
| 02:06.25 | s7r | server* |
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| 02:08.07 | somethinginteres | Does anyone know if evince can do "highlight text annotation"? Can anyone suggest an alternative program that has such a feature? |
| 02:08.12 | karlpinc | fragrant: Are you following the install guide? |
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| 02:08.33 | abrotman | fragrant: did you read hte install guide ? |
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| 02:08.40 | LtL | s7r: why can't you install it? |
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| 02:09.09 | babilen | !tell s7r -about bat |
| 02:09.12 | babilen | !tell s7r -about enter |
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| 02:12.03 | fragrant | abrotman: Which guide, i could not find any guide |
| 02:12.06 | lasers | Okay. I want to try awesome. I'm on Gnome2. I logged out and it'll bring me back to Gnome2. I may set something up to behave that way but I can't remember what. Where should I look? |
| 02:12.24 | lasers | I checked .xinitrc, .bash_profile, .profile. Not them. |
| 02:12.41 | dvs | !tell fragrant about ig |
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| 02:15.56 | kallisti | anyone having trouble with HTML5 video in Chrome? |
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| 02:18.18 | fragrant | I didn't find anything there about installing from hard disk, http://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/i386/ |
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| 02:19.54 | dvs | fragrant: http://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/i386/ch04s04.html.en |
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| 02:20.46 | fragrant | Is it? http://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/i386/ch05s01.html.en#boot-initrd |
| 02:20.54 | fragrant | I followed this, http://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/i386/ch05s01.html.en#boot-initrd , didn't help |
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| 02:21.12 | fragrant | The loder can't find the iso |
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| 02:37.30 | DoctorDude | Anyone skilled with SELinux? |
| 02:38.03 | gnarface | !ask |
| 02:38.03 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 02:39.34 | karlpinc | lasers: There's a "session" menu in gdm3 you choose before you login. I think. |
| 02:40.07 | DoctorDude | Okay, i'm pretty sure the problem i'm having is due to the fact that SELinux is for some reason not loading my policy module. I've derived it from audit2allow, and compiled and installed it. But the new rules aren't showing up in sesearch and im still getting avc denials... |
| 02:41.26 | lasers | karlpinc: I understand that. However, I log out and it threw me back in Gnome2. I'm purging gdm right now. |
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| 02:43.09 | lasers | gdm not installed. It didn't work. >_> |
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| 02:53.29 | cardamon | Can anyone help me setup wlan0 networking in DebianInstaller? The router is set to WPA-PSK, so when the screen comes up I give it the ESSID, then where it says WEP I put s:passphrase, but it seems to fail everytime. |
| 02:54.22 | cthuluh | short answer: the debian installer doesn't support wpa |
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| 02:55.23 | dvs | cardamon: the installer doesn't support WPA |
| 02:55.42 | BenNZ | evolution seg fault everytime i try and access my mail , can anyone tell mehow i might fix this |
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| 02:56.44 | DanDare | BeNZ, any other error right before the segfault ? |
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| 02:59.28 | DanDare | I said, BenNZ :) |
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| 02:59.35 | BenNZ | DanDare: yeah i get http://paste.debian.net/158138/ |
| 02:59.48 | timmyd | I have a bunch of source code folders that build different packages and they each have a debian folder which i can individually run dpkg-buildpackage -b on. Problem is, they depend on each other. Is there a tool that will read through all the control files, figure out the order to install them in, and then build and install them one by one? |
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| 03:00.47 | BenNZ | DanDare: i get the other errors when it starts , and just the seg fault when i check for new mail |
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| 03:02.58 | DanDare | BenNZ, sorry I have no clue. Found these references about "camel" errors but really not sure if theres something to do with your case: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=657558 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.linux.debian.devel.evolution/10793 |
| 03:03.09 | avernos | i've updated to wheezy and i might have some packages missing from desktop enviroment, i just found out the whole nautilus package was missing. and several tools arent working well, such as network manager, or sounds applet |
| 03:03.15 | DanDare | BenNZ, Im using Evolution in here without problems |
| 03:03.18 | avernos | what should i do to check what its missing and reinstall it? |
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| 03:04.13 | BenNZ | DanDare: ok , im using testing if that makes a difference |
| 03:04.48 | DanDare | BenNZ, I think so. At least Evolution is fine for me in last stable |
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| 03:05.35 | BenNZ | DanDare: ok thanks anyway , ill see if i can get it working |
| 03:08.09 | cardamon | Correct me if I am wrong: LVM has a benefit for single disk systems by allowing partisions to be resized as needed, right? |
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| 03:09.58 | Jayro | Hello, Could someone take a look at this. http://pastie.org/3493276 As you can see, I am logged in as root and I am changing my users password, then disconnecting and trying to ssh in again as that user and getting log in attempt failed with the new passowrd. |
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| 03:10.41 | somiaj | cardamon: correct, it provides a bit more flexibale system that way, but dose add some overhead (making it harder to recover data) |
| 03:10.47 | Scrivener | Hey folks -- I've lost the root password for this debian installation, found instructions for resetting said password, but I ran into an odd error. It'd be great if someone could point me in the right direction with this. Let me reproduce it quickly... |
| 03:11.16 | Scrivener | So I boot up into grub, go to edit the kernel line, at the end of said line I append "init=/bin/bash" and ctrl-x to boot. |
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| 03:11.27 | cardamon | somiaj: Hmm, well that was the whole point to the idea of multiple partisions and mount points on this drive. |
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| 03:12.00 | somiaj | Scrivener: I find using a live system my prefered method, do you have a live usb or even install cd? |
| 03:12.09 | Scrivener | When it boots up I get "bash: cannot set terminal process group (-1): Inappropriate ioctl for device |
| 03:12.18 | Scrivener | bash: no job control in this shell" |
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| 03:12.45 | Scrivener | This won't boot from USB, I don't have spare disks, but could scrounge and see if there's something that will run live... |
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| 03:12.59 | cardamon | It's a little sata notebook HDD, and already seen some use. 140GB. I was thinking to have a seperate /, /home, /etc and /swap rather than my usual lazy / and /swap. |
| 03:13.00 | Scrivener | If anything, it'll be Ubuntu. I hope I have that around. But I'd really like this method to work... |
| 03:13.10 | somiaj | Scrivener: the init=/bin/bash should work, but I don't know that error, have you tried to google it |
| 03:14.13 | Scrivener | somiaj: Yes, I have, but the instances that I've come across when googling haven't at all been related to mine, and seem to be only part of the problems in which I find it posted. |
| 03:14.21 | Scrivener | So I'm not able to find information directly about that error. |
| 03:14.30 | Scrivener | The machine is an old IBM Thinkcentre. |
| 03:14.35 | Scrivener | From the year 900BC |
| 03:15.41 | somiaj | Scrivener: yea, it should work, but not something I've done in years, I'd be just using google with you |
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| 03:16.22 | LtL | Scrivener: try init=/bin/sh instead |
| 03:17.08 | Scrivener | LtL will do |
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| 03:19.15 | Scrivener | Alright. That time I got "/bin/sh: cannot access tty; job control turned off" |
| 03:19.25 | Scrivener | Still can't type. |
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| 03:20.31 | Scrivener | Googling this one as well |
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| 03:22.27 | Scrivener | I really don't want to have to reinstall Debian >.< |
| 03:22.53 | Scrivener | Or use a different distro. |
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| 03:25.16 | Scrivener | Found an explanation of the error on http://www.uclibc.org/FAQ.html#job_control |
| 03:25.42 | Scrivener | That doesn't quite clue me in to what to do here... |
| 03:25.55 | Scrivener | Or why I'm the only one who gets this when trying to reset the password. |
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| 03:30.06 | cardamon | Query: Single user machine, 140GB, portable. Would I be fine with a single / and swap partitioning, or should I split them up? |
| 03:30.39 | somiaj | cardamon: I'd do swap, / and /home |
| 03:30.47 | cardamon | A seperate /home and /etc seem the most prudent, but no idea how much I'd put in it. |
| 03:30.55 | somiaj | cardamon: 10-20gigs should be fine for / depending on how much software you want to install |
| 03:31.21 | cardamon | somiaj: How difficult would it be to resize? |
| 03:31.25 | somiaj | for a single user machine I wouldn't worry about makgin /etc, /usr, /var on seperate parttions, for the most part all the user data wll be in /home and the rest is debian data |
| 03:31.42 | somiaj | cardamon: from a live system not to difficult, but it does take me a while to fill up a 100gig /home |
| 03:31.52 | cardamon | I ask because everytime I've tried to resize partitions everything goes pear shaped. |
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| 03:33.13 | somiaj | well 10gigs should be more than enough for /, but if you say run sid so you upgrade a lot, want to install some other things 10gigs can be a little small. I'd do 20gigs for / unless you really know you want a lot of user space on /home |
| 03:33.59 | dvs | cardamon: i agree with somiaj, / and /home (and a swap) are ideal for a home system. |
| 03:34.02 | cardamon | somiaj: Not sid. My main machine runs Wheezy, so I might keep them both synced up, but I'll likely stick to Squeeze. |
| 03:34.29 | cardamon | dvs: and for a mobile workhorse? |
| 03:34.46 | somiaj | cardamon: it takes a lot for basic use to make / more than 10gigs, but you start keeping /var/cache/apt/archvies around (for a wheezy system I suggest this) and the likes a bit of extra space is useful |
| 03:34.47 | dvs | yup |
| 03:34.52 | Scrivener | proceeds to just reinstall Debian :( |
| 03:35.01 | DoctorDude | Any ideas how to diagnose a problem with semodule installing a module, but rules are not being applied? I've relabeled and checked contexts already. |
| 03:35.26 | DoctorDude | Debian squeeze system btw, base install + gnome + selinux |
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| 03:36.55 | cardamon | somiaj: What's in there? |
| 03:37.08 | somiaj | cardamon: that is where the debian packages are downloaded before they are installed |
| 03:37.21 | somiaj | cardamon: on a testing system I like to have older versions of packages laying around incase an upgrade breaks |
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| 03:40.42 | cardamon | Hmm, ext3 is still the default. |
| 03:41.13 | somiaj | ext4 was still undergoing some testing in squeeze's kernel so it is best to be safe |
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| 03:46.09 | Jayro | Can anyone instruct me on how to change the hostname of my debian box? |
| 03:46.34 | somiaj | Jayro: depends on what is asking, /etc/hostname and /etc/hosts |
| 03:47.01 | somiaj | Jayro: if other machines are asking, this could be dns which could be out of your control |
| 03:47.42 | Jayro | somiaj, well i have a seperate dns server on my network, so no matter what the hostname I can work that out |
| 03:47.49 | Jayro | i think its /etc/hostname |
| 03:47.50 | Jayro | thank yo |
| 03:47.51 | Jayro | u |
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| 03:50.02 | abrotman | and /etc/mailname |
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| 03:52.21 | cardamon | is it better to make a partition primary or logical when you're only going to have two? |
| 03:53.29 | dvs | cardamon: I'd just have one primary partition personally |
| 03:53.39 | dvs | but why only two partitions? |
| 03:53.47 | cardamon | and /home |
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| 03:53.50 | cardamon | ... |
| 03:54.02 | cardamon | \/ and /home |
| 03:54.03 | dvs | / and /home but no swap? |
| 03:54.04 | cardamon | ... |
| 03:54.17 | cardamon | Yeah, swap too, but swap doesn't care. |
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| 03:58.43 | chemistrydioxide | Hi, I got trouble with gnome |
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| 03:59.09 | chemistrydioxide | I want to make evolution to open links in Konqueror, not Iceweasel when I use KDE |
| 03:59.40 | chemistrydioxide | Unfortunately, the gnome control center only offers me 3 options for my default browser |
| 03:59.49 | abrotman | whihc verfsion of gnome ? |
| 03:59.55 | somiaj | chemistrydioxide: is there an 'other' option? |
| 04:00.05 | chemistrydioxide | These are Iceweasel, Iceape and epiphany |
| 04:00.19 | abrotman | whihc verfsion of gnome ? |
| 04:00.29 | chemistrydioxide | I got Gnome 3.2.1 |
| 04:00.41 | chemistrydioxide | However, I'm using KDE |
| 04:00.47 | chemistrydioxide | I got Gnome 3.2.1 |
| 04:00.59 | abrotman | chemistrydioxide: chemistrydioxide update-alternatives --list gnome-www-browser |
| 04:01.12 | chemistrydioxide | somiaj: No, there is no "other" option |
| 04:01.51 | chemistrydioxide | $ update-alternatives --list gnome-www-browser |
| 04:01.53 | chemistrydioxide | /usr/bin/epiphany-browser |
| 04:01.54 | chemistrydioxide | /usr/bin/iceweasel |
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| 04:02.11 | abrotman | you can try to add konq to that list .. |
| 04:02.17 | abrotman | chemistrydioxide: why not use epiphany ? |
| 04:02.19 | chemistrydioxide | how? |
| 04:02.50 | chemistrydioxide | abrotman: I am not going to switch to a different browser just because of evolution |
| 04:03.03 | abrotman | chemistrydioxide: i was just asking why not epiphany .. |
| 04:03.08 | chemistrydioxide | I'm using KDE and Konqueror integrates much better with KDE than epiphany does |
| 04:03.19 | abrotman | both konq and epiphany use the same rendering engine last i remember |
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| 04:03.33 | abrotman | chemistrydioxide: anyway .. look at the postinst script for IW to see how it added itself .. then add konq |
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| 04:04.20 | chemistrydioxide | where would I find a postint script? |
| 04:04.28 | chemistrydioxide | I never had the need to read one |
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| 04:04.52 | abrotman | /var/lib/dpkg/info/ |
| 04:04.58 | chemistrydioxide | thx |
| 04:05.34 | ChibaPet | Hm. Can someone suggest what I might want to resolve this error? The error: E: Build-Depends dependency for linux-2.6 cannot be satisfied because no available versions of package kernel-wedge can satisfy version requirements |
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| 04:08.38 | ChibaPet | There seems to be just one kernel-wedge available. Odd. |
| 04:09.20 | cardamon | uff. I hit return when I shoulda hit spacebar at tasksel. Didn't get the "Laptop" package. |
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| 04:11.16 | ChibaPet | http://wiki.debian.org/tasksel#A.22laptop.22_task |
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| 04:11.43 | ChibaPet | So you can add the stuff afterwards. |
| 04:11.51 | chemistrydioxide | This is weird |
| 04:12.23 | chemistrydioxide | update-alternatives does now know that konqueror is an option for gnome-www-browser |
| 04:12.58 | chemistrydioxide | however, gnome-control-center still doesn't show konqueror as an option |
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| 04:13.50 | chemistrydioxide | Instead, gnome-control-center shows iceape as an option which is not available in update-alternatives |
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| 04:18.25 | ChibaPet | I've tried it on a couple different Squeeeze systems with the same failure. |
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| 04:20.51 | Vasistha | ChibaPet: let's see your sources.list - perhaps a deb-src line is missing or incomplete? |
| 04:21.08 | ChibaPet | DOH |
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| 04:21.24 | ChibaPet | The deb-src line is wrong. Thank you. |
| 04:21.28 | Vasistha | np |
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| 04:23.37 | ChibaPet | (I was building netatalk out of squeeze the other day, which is the ultimate goal of this project, and I forgot to set myself back to squeeze afterwards.) |
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| 04:23.44 | ChibaPet | s/squeeze/wheezy/ |
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| 04:25.24 | cardamon | Why does tasksel pull acpid and ampd? isn't one used to the exclusion of the other? |
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| 04:25.52 | unomystEz | anyone know of a network card (maybe Mellanox?) that doesn't buffer on the ethernet end and can timestamp each packet received as it receives it? |
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| 04:26.56 | unomystEz | I see a reference to this in the excerpt "By selecting a high-performance hardware-timestamping NIC (network interface card) in an appliance platform, we can ensure high-fidelity capture and timing of all messages and events of interest." at http://www.corvil.com/corvilinsight/clock-synchronization/ |
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| 04:31.36 | simonlnu | unomystEz: ask in ##hardware |
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| 04:32.17 | unomystEz | thanks, I found some threads discussing them, seems as if it's even encapsulated within pcap too |
| 04:32.21 | unomystEz | joy |
| 04:32.37 | simonlnu | whoah really? nice |
| 04:32.57 | simonlnu | g'night, and have fun kids ;) |
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| 04:36.49 | chaser12 | is there a difference between "source 'file' " and ". 'file' " |
| 04:36.51 | chaser12 | ? |
| 04:37.33 | unomystEz | chaser12: don't think so |
| 04:37.37 | nevyn | chaser12: no. |
| 04:37.47 | chaser12 | mmk thanks guys, just make sure |
| 04:37.56 | nevyn | chaser12: well not in bash |
| 04:38.03 | unomystEz | we're sure |
| 04:38.05 | nevyn | if you're writing a script please don't use . file |
| 04:38.15 | nevyn | source file is far more readable. |
| 04:39.52 | chemistrydioxide | chaser12: There is |
| 04:40.11 | chemistrydioxide | er, no, wait |
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| 04:40.38 | chemistrydioxide | . file is not the same as file or bash file |
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| 04:41.41 | chemistrydioxide | . file will execute the contents of file in the same context as the . command |
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| 05:05.25 | cardamon{m} | Up and running on my netbook. What should I look at for optimizing battery life? powertop was on the laptop entry for tasksel, but laptop-mode-tools was suggested by apt-get. |
| 05:06.49 | nevyn | both of those do stuff. |
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| 05:10.27 | cardamon{m} | nevyn: Ah, I think I misunderstood what powertop did. |
| 05:10.29 | pleiades | those damn library police |
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| 05:10.53 | chemistrydioxide | OK, I got it |
| 05:10.54 | cardamon{m} | pleiades: ? |
| 05:11.05 | pleiades | that was weird.. for Noodles.. cooking a pizza to ease the pain.. boy goes crazy.. |
| 05:11.51 | chemistrydioxide | I had to create a .desktop file for konqueror in some damn directory, and that file had to indicate that konqueror supports http and https |
| 05:12.27 | chemistrydioxide | then i had to run update-desktop-database ~/.local/share/applications |
| 05:12.56 | chemistrydioxide | and then I could choose konqueror in gnome-control-center |
| 05:13.02 | pleiades | is it the proof I just hinted at |
| 05:13.31 | overflow_0f8b | define x(a, b) a * b; define y(a, b) a + b; y x 21 + 2, 32 + 1; x 11 + 3, 12 + 2;; or y( (x 21 + 2, 32 + 1), (x 11 + 3, 12 + 2) ) |
| 05:13.33 | chemistrydioxide | Really, that was not obvious |
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| 05:13.38 | overflow_0f8b | parameters with ; termination can be nested. |
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| 05:23.27 | WormFood | where is the menu item for gparted? it seems the only place I can find it is deep in the "debian" menu (which is not enabled by default) |
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| 05:25.14 | WormFood | I see now, it is under the system->administration menu...what an interesting choice of places to put that, when I expected to find it under "system tools" |
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| 05:28.52 | BlueG | How do you set custom menu colors in grub2 in Wheezy? |
| 05:29.40 | chemistrydioxide | oh, and i also had to mention in that file that konqueror accepts urls... |
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| 05:30.11 | chemistrydioxide | BlueG: If you don't mind editing config files, you can set it there |
| 05:30.22 | chemistrydioxide | it should be somewhere in /boot/grub/ or so |
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| 05:32.47 | BlueG | chemistrydioxide: I don't mind editing config files, but I have been playing with the config files for a while and just can't find were it is set |
| 05:33.28 | chemistrydioxide | wait a second, Grub2 has got these themes |
| 05:33.36 | BlueG | I can get the colors I want by pressing 'c' at the boot menu and typing set color_normal=white/black, etc |
| 05:34.04 | Vasistha | BlueG: hmm this is a pain, I've figured it out a couple times, let me look it up |
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| 05:34.33 | BlueG | but I can't find where these things are set in /etc/grub.d/ or /etc/default/grub |
| 05:35.12 | Vasistha | BlueG: you did run update-grub after changing it right? |
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| 05:35.43 | chemistrydioxide | BlueG: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/GRUB2#Menu_colors |
| 05:35.48 | pleiades | pingouin I personally use GTP with just BBP. I don't duel boot and I dont trust UEFI |
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| 05:36.51 | BlueG | Vasistha: Yes, I did |
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| 05:38.21 | Vasistha | BlueG: I put this at the end of /etc/grub.d/05_debian_theme http://paste.debian.net/158140/ |
| 05:38.37 | BlueG | chemistrydioxide: hmm... I think I tried setting it in /etc/default/grub, but I don't think I used GRUB_COLOR_* |
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| 05:39.10 | Vasistha | BlueG: I don't remember how it all works or why I did it the way I did, but I'm happy with it now :-) |
| 05:39.18 | sami | hello please i'm looking for a doc explaining the use of 'ip' command with some explained examples |
| 05:39.20 | pleiades | sombies |
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| 05:42.58 | BlueG | chemistrydioxide: the method documented for Arch doesn't seem to work on Debian Wheezy |
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| 05:44.11 | BlueG | Vasistha: now I am trying to decipher your code |
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| 05:44.57 | Vasistha | BlueG: I should have put some comments in so I could remember what I was doing :P |
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| 05:45.31 | BlueG | Indeed! |
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| 05:45.58 | Vasistha | BlueG: I'll see if I can find a maintainer's version of 05_debian_theme and see what my changes were |
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| 05:47.37 | BenNZ | BlueG: what are you trying to do? |
| 05:48.13 | devo09 | bing |
| 05:48.14 | BlueG | change the menu colors in grub2 on Wheezy |
| 05:48.17 | pleiades | fuck that wintermute im not registering my nick everyone knows who i am |
| 05:48.32 | devo09 | what sap man |
| 05:48.56 | BenNZ | BlueG: look for set menu_color |
| 05:49.01 | pmpbook | Why does pkg-config --cflags opencv return a path, but 'pkg-config --cflags opencv' return command not found? |
| 05:49.07 | BenNZ | BlueG: in the 05_debian_theme file |
| 05:49.14 | devo09 | fuck my ass |
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| 05:54.04 | |DM| | Hello, you have someone randomly pming from this channel. [07:53:07] <devo09> gggg |
| 05:54.06 | pleiades | thanks anyway! just activated my client's log :).. it's looks like osx-gcc-installer just install exactly the same tools (gcc, llvm etc) without the Xcode itself |
| 05:54.19 | |DM| | This is the only channel where we intersect, just a heads up. Not asking you to do anything. |
| 05:54.43 | Vasistha | |DM|: you can notify the ops by using !ops complaint message |
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| 05:55.00 | Vasistha | |DM|: it is probably a spambot or something and should be reported |
| 05:55.13 | |DM| | if it's worth reporting I'll keep that in mind. |
| 05:55.41 | BenNZ | BlueG: did you find it? |
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| 05:56.54 | Vasistha | BlueG: alright so all I did was to add $CN $CH after head -1`" on the first set_background_image line (4th line from the bottom) and also define CN, CH, and the others |
| 05:56.59 | cardamon | Opinion: What's a better WM for a low resolution like 1024x600? |
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| 05:57.44 | Vasistha | BlueG: also it looks like I changed a couple lines earlier in the script... or else perhaps something else changed them and I didn't? I dunno |
| 05:58.06 | cardamon | I am thinking about playing around with xmonad or awesome. |
| 05:58.14 | BenNZ | BlueG: if you use desktop-base for config , just edit /usr/share/desktop-base/grub_background.sh |
| 05:59.52 | Vasistha | BenNZ: hmm, I don't usually recommend changing files in /usr ... although sometimes it's just the easiest thing to do |
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| 06:01.28 | BenNZ | Vasistha: whats wrong with changing file in /usr? |
| 06:02.04 | Vasistha | BenNZ: configuration changes should be made in /etc whereas /usr is designed for static files that do not change |
| 06:02.23 | Vasistha | BenNZ: if you're making configuration changes in /usr then there is probably a better way, in /etc |
| 06:02.57 | Vasistha | BenNZ: that said, if you don't know how to do it in /etc then ... like I said sometimes it's just the easiest thing to do |
| 06:03.04 | BenNZ | Vasistha: true , i thought these settings could be changed in /etc/default/grub |
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| 06:03.40 | Vasistha | BenNZ: seems /etc/grub.d/05_debian_theme is the place to do it |
| 06:04.12 | BenNZ | Vasistha: thats what i thought , but i suppose theres more than one way to do it |
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| 06:08.52 | quartz | hi there. can i install debian on these two servers: Dell PowerEdge 1950 III (Xeon, SAS hdd) and HP ProLiant DL380R04 (Xeon,Ultra320 SCSI hdd) ? |
| 06:08.57 | pleiades | hi akem.. how are you?. well...people talk a lot here im seeing |
| 06:10.11 | quartz | as enterprise servers both producers offers support for RHEL and SLES. |
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| 06:11.19 | devo09 | slaps Dewi around a bit with a large trout |
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| 06:11.54 | brylie | How can I add additional screen resolutions to my GNOME preferences? My max resolution is 1024x768. |
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| 06:14.29 | cardamon | brylie: learn to xorg. It's going off existing modelines, of which I'll bet yours peter out at 1024x768. |
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| 06:28.55 | sami | please how to check that dhclient is running on my computer? |
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| 06:30.15 | tsccof | sami: pgrep -l dhclient |
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| 06:31.28 | Vasistha | sami: man ps |
| 06:32.06 | epsilon | if you want ps: ps aux | grep dhc |
| 06:32.12 | pleiades | remember is uncommenting two bits in locale.gen, the ISO and the only other firefox browsers ive tried im impressed.. |
| 06:34.33 | sami | ps -e does not display dhclient |
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| 06:55.13 | _habnabit | is there a way to bind a whole range of ipv6 addresses to an interface? i.e. so I can bind from any address in a /64 |
| 06:56.08 | Keefe | how would i check in advance what firmware package, if any, is needed for a particular ethernet controller, before i move a system to that new hardware? for example, i have some systems with realtek ethernet that need the firmware-realtek pkg |
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| 06:57.31 | Keefe | in particular, i'm wondering if debian includes by default firmware for Intel 82574L or Atheros AR8131 |
| 06:57.37 | pleiades | .. 48.. |
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| 06:58.41 | Keefe | is there a list somewhere of devices supported out of the box? |
| 06:59.04 | Keefe | i.e. the standard netinst iso |
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| 07:08.23 | newbie|3 | can someone please tell me a good channel for help with Testdisk?? |
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| 07:14.43 | ratatata | nu |
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| 07:33.52 | somiaj | Keefe: that is most connencted to the linux kernel, but I haven't run across any list, though it isn't difficult to check if a device is supported if you know the chipset/device |
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| 07:42.25 | Keefe | somiaj: by "chipset/device", do you mean such as "Atheros AR8131"? |
| 07:42.54 | somiaj | correct |
| 07:43.18 | Keefe | and how would i check? google for forum threads? |
| 07:43.40 | somiaj | usually the debian wiki is good on devices, do you have the pciid of that? |
| 07:43.57 | Keefe | ah. yes i can get the id |
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| 07:49.02 | pyrokamileon | I'm using Testdisk to try and recover my partitions and it finds both of them but when I try and undelete them both is refuses to work for me because doing so would make the structure bad |
| 07:49.08 | pyrokamileon | anyone have any ideas? |
| 07:49.10 | pleiades | When is the next release estimated? April ? |
| 07:49.54 | somiaj | pleiades: I think the freeze will beging sometime this summer to fall, but after that it is whenever the number of grave bugs drop to 0 |
| 07:49.56 | pleiades | yea |
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| 07:53.50 | somiaj | Keefe: not finding much info, seems that card is only supported by compiling a non-free driver from Atheros. |
| 07:54.04 | somiaj | Keefe: I just used google (though I usually search the debian wiki first) |
| 07:56.34 | somiaj | Keefe: though I see a few instalingDebianOn pages with that device and they don't mention any issues with that LAN card, maybe they never tested it. |
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| 08:19.40 | DelTree | squeeze: iceweasel-3.5.16, wheezy: iceweasel-10.0.2 |
| 08:19.47 | DelTree | quite a good jump... |
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| 08:24.47 | kabars_edge | that's funny |
| 08:25.19 | Keefe | somiaj: thanks for the info. i also found those debianon pages |
| 08:25.27 | pleiades | IM JK |
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| 08:37.59 | ix_ | hello, I have debian squeeze and I installed wheezy on another partition with BTRFS, I was curious, but GRUB refused to install and the other GRUB, from squeeze does not boot wheezy |
| 08:38.08 | pleiades | good night/day all |
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| 08:38.36 | DelTree | mmmh... btrfs... |
| 08:38.39 | pleiades | plutonium.. |
| 08:39.16 | ix_ | so, how can I get it to boot wheezy with btrfs? |
| 08:39.18 | pleiades | mmmh... btrfs... |
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| 08:40.02 | DelTree | what the /boot of your wheezy ? |
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| 08:40.20 | ix_ | hm? |
| 08:40.32 | ix_ | I don't have a separate boot partition |
| 08:40.49 | DelTree | that'll probably be a problem... |
| 08:40.57 | DelTree | 1 box, 1 grub, 1 /boot |
| 08:41.40 | DelTree | I can't see the trick otherwise... |
| 08:41.42 | ix_ | so, partition 1 squeeze ext4, partition 3 qheezy btrfs |
| 08:41.52 | ix_ | wheeze |
| 08:41.53 | pleiades | I didn't say you didn't.. I said in general.. telllllllllll me |
| 08:41.55 | ix_ | wheezy |
| 08:41.57 | ix_ | :) |
| 08:42.43 | DelTree | weez ? |
| 08:43.30 | ix_ | anyway, I installed Lubuntu 12.04 with btrfs one day without a separate boot partition and it booted |
| 08:43.33 | pleiades | weez ? |
| 08:44.19 | DelTree | did the previous os still boot ? |
| 08:44.27 | ix_ | yeah |
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| 08:45.16 | ix_ | anyway, I think it should work, as my grub is on ext4 |
| 08:45.18 | pleiades | the "Peter Pan" syndrome sets in and they never grow up |
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| 08:46.11 | DelTree | well... grub is on MBR or PBR to start with... |
| 08:47.18 | DelTree | did you run update-grub on your squeeze ? |
| 08:47.58 | ix_ | yes, obviously |
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| 08:48.06 | ix_ | the squeeze grub is on mbr |
| 08:48.12 | ix_ | and update-grub |
| 08:48.20 | ix_ | and it detected wheezy |
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| 08:48.40 | DelTree | and ? |
| 08:48.45 | ix_ | and error |
| 08:48.52 | DelTree | not enough initrd to boot... :/ |
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| 08:48.58 | ix_ | something about the kernel needing to be loaded first |
| 08:49.14 | ix_ | I edited grub.cfg a bit, but still no go |
| 08:49.46 | patterson | "That's equivalent to a medium-sized elephant sitting on you." http://www.bbc.co.uk/nature/17159086 |
| 08:50.00 | patterson | pardon me |
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| 08:50.51 | neoplus | Hi |
| 08:50.52 | pleiades | flamoot i never know if you are flammot or tobmalf |
| 08:51.03 | ix_ | ok, I'll just install it again on ext4 |
| 08:51.07 | ix_ | thanks for the help |
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| 08:54.35 | squibby | hey guys, apologies in advance I'm super_noob status; uh, so I have debian 6 installled and I went and downloaded the debian Google Chrome package
right-clicked on it, had the package manager install it
said it was successful
and err
I can't find it. |
| 08:54.50 | squibby | didn't put it in any of the gnome menus. ran a file search and nothing is coming up. |
| 08:54.53 | squibby | where could it be? |
| 08:55.21 | weeb1e | Hi everyone |
| 08:55.40 | weeb1e | Every 24 hours when nginx rotates its logs my tail script running under a user account gets a permission error. Can anyone tell me how I can make the log file always readable from users that are not root? |
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| 09:03.15 | ayambit | where is specified in debian lenny where to log for postgresql? |
| 09:03.25 | kabars_edge | it's probably only erroring during rotation, which would make sense, you can't tail a file that doesn't exist, the file is renamed and a new file is created, you should probably stop the tail prior to log rotation |
| 09:03.32 | ayambit | it logs to /var/log/postgresql but i can't find reference to it in config file |
| 09:04.10 | ayambit | specifically, in /etc/postgresql/8.3/main/postgresql.conf |
| 09:04.21 | ayambit | it runs as /usr/lib/postgresql/8.3/bin/postgres -D /spool/postgres/data -c config_file=/etc/postgresql/8.3/main/postgresql.conf |
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| 09:04.35 | ayambit | so it uses this config file |
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| 09:05.11 | kabars_edge | I don't run postgres, sorry |
| 09:05.13 | pleiades | can tell us, you amongst fellow #lovers here.. this is shown instead of getting banned.. |
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| 09:08.19 | pleiades | my contribution to the Azciak Polls didn't tip any geopolitical.. scales. The parliament of whores kept fawning to the Great Powers, cutting.. spending and raising prices whenever the IMF said jump, voting as required in.. the UN each time another Third World country had to be bombed into submission. I.. served Amazonian beef and Idaho potatoes to the cheerful, shaven-headed.. psychopaths from the USS Scheisskopf when they flooded Kings Cross on R & R,. d |
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| 09:23.22 | ew0x | weeb1e: edit your /etc/logrotate.d/nginx to define a user/group for the logfile -- keep in mind nginx has to be able to write to it |
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| 09:26.47 | kabars_edge | it's still going to error if you're tailing when it rotates |
| 09:28.08 | ew0x | won't "error", tail will lose its handle and will have to be restarted |
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| 09:29.07 | weeb1e | kabars_edge: not a standard 'tail', so that is not an issue |
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| 09:30.43 | kabars_edge | okay |
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| 09:32.23 | minsa | no official F# package ? |
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| 09:37.43 | bambanx | guys i am using a mobile usb modem , and i have problem with it, i insert on my laptop and work but them debian disconnect it, other times when i insert on the usb debian dont recognize it , what can i do? (sorry for my bad english :) ) |
| 09:38.14 | jelly | !ops pleiades seems to be a bot >pleiades< CTCP VERSION -pleiades- VERSION ircbot.py by Joel Rosdahl <joel@rosdahl.net> |
| 09:38.14 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: jelly complains about: pleiades seems to be a bot >pleiades< CTCP VERSION -pleiades- VERSION ircbot.py by Joel Rosdahl <joel@rosdahl.net> |
| 09:38.19 | pleiades | pclov3r you would need run it elevated via task scheduler.. pclov3r then asign based on who is logged in.. assign* |
| 09:38.22 | pleiades | !ops pleiades seems to be a bot >pleiades< CTCP VERSION -pleiades- VERSION ircbot.py by Joel Rosdahl <joel@rosdahl.net> |
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| 09:46.09 | rowinggolfer | could I volunteer to package http://razor-qt.org/ for debian? |
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| 09:48.14 | bambanx | anyone wanna be my debian friend? |
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| 09:50.37 | illissius | Hi! I want to apt-get --download-only install <some packages>, but it complains about missing dependencies. But I don't care about the dependencies, because I only want to download the .deb files. Is there any way to make it ignore the dependencies? (I could use aptitude download, but aptitude isn't available on the system.) |
| 09:51.36 | rowinggolfer | illissius, miss off the word "install" in that command ? |
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| 09:52.00 | rowinggolfer | ignore that ^ |
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| 09:55.07 | rowinggolfer | illissius, try simply "apt-get download <some packages>" |
| 09:55.53 | illissius | rowinggolfer: Tried that. Says E: Invalid operation download. Probably my apt-get is old. |
| 09:56.14 | rowinggolfer | it works for me here. |
| 09:56.37 | rowinggolfer | neil@tiny-black:~/dev$ apt-get --version |
| 09:56.38 | rowinggolfer | apt 0.8.15.9 for amd64 compiled on Oct 14 2011 12:25:05 |
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| 09:56.45 | fragrant | Hi, |
| 09:57.10 | rowinggolfer | illissius, what version do you have? Mine's not terribly new version as you can see |
| 09:57.37 | fragrant | Where can i ask question about debian sid problem? |
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| 09:57.59 | illissius | rowinggolfer: |
| 09:58.01 | illissius | # apt-get --version |
| 09:58.03 | illissius | apt 0.7.25.3 for armel compiled on Dec 5 2011 15:45:39 |
| 09:58.05 | illissius | :( |
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| 09:58.57 | kabars_edge | fragrant: you can ask it here |
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| 09:59.51 | fragrant | What is the command to install the kernel 3.2 on sid? |
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| 10:00.23 | fragrant | And the core sid system |
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| 10:02.14 | fragrant | aptitude install xorg ? is is the command to install xorg xserver or minimal gui? |
| 10:02.40 | rowinggolfer | fragrant what are you running at the moment? |
| 10:02.44 | fragrant | sid |
| 10:02.56 | kabars_edge | fragrant: first and foremost, I'm not even sure if they have put the 3.2 kernel in the sid, but if it's there, just update your repos, search the repo for for the 3.2 kernel: |
| 10:02.56 | kabars_edge | apt-get update |
| 10:02.56 | kabars_edge | apt-cache search kernel | grep 3.2 |
| 10:03.10 | rowinggolfer | kabars_edge, they have.. I'm running it |
| 10:03.13 | fragrant | no, 2.6.32 + debian 6.0.4 |
| 10:03.16 | fragrant | kabars_edge: ^ |
| 10:03.45 | fragrant | What i completed is this: aptitude update |
| 10:03.50 | kabars_edge | well, that is the kernel it defaulted to, but that doesn't mean 3.2 isn't in the repo |
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| 10:04.41 | fragrant | I'm with 2.6.32 + debian 6.0.4 now. |
| 10:04.48 | kabars_edge | so do what I said |
| 10:04.51 | kabars_edge | update your repo |
| 10:04.54 | fragrant | What is the command to update the core system? |
| 10:04.55 | kabars_edge | search for the kernel you want |
| 10:05.22 | kabars_edge | first apt-get update |
| 10:05.22 | kabars_edge | second apt-get upgrade |
| 10:05.27 | pleiades | to learn how to host services. not really interested in desktop usage but a desktop manager is kinda nice. helps me not get scared away as fast. I found arch to be a little frightening. |
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| 10:06.20 | fragrant | kabars_edge: I use aptitude not apt-get |
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| 10:06.49 | kabars_edge | same thing |
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| 10:07.25 | fragrant | aptitude upgrade or dist-upgrade ? |
| 10:07.32 | kabars_edge | learn apt-get though, I think its more flexible, and I've been doing this a long time |
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| 10:07.51 | kabars_edge | dist-upgrade is if you want to go from wheezy to sid |
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| 10:08.12 | Iridos | dpkg, tell kabars_edge about why aptitude |
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| 10:09.50 | fragrant | For aptitude upgrade i got something like :open closed defer conflicts , i can't understand what's going on |
| 10:09.59 | kabars_edge | iridos: tell yourself it's a preference no matter what, and I still prefer apt over aptitude, aptitiude is great for people that don't understand pkg mgmt, I still believe apt gives me more flexibility, yes, its not as polished, however, I can force things with apt that I can't with aptitude because aptitude thinks its smarter than me |
| 10:10.38 | fragrant | I want to upgrade the system from squeeze to sid, can anyone tell me the correct way to do this? |
| 10:10.49 | kabars_edge | oh, you didn't say that |
| 10:11.22 | Iridos | kabars_edge, I actually prefer the simpler apt-get myself... still, without doubt aptitude normally has the better dependency resolution and will suggest solutions where apt-get will just throw an error. They're both "apt" |
| 10:11.30 | Iridos | but they're not exactly "the same" |
| 10:12.09 | kabars_edge | not exactly, but close enough |
| 10:12.20 | fragrant | Would aptitude dist-upgrade upgrade the system from squeeze to sid ? |
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| 10:13.38 | jelly | fragrant: yes, but if you have to ask, you probably don't have enough know-how to deal with a sid system |
| 10:13.39 | fragrant | What's wrong if i do aptitude dist-upgrade instead of aptitude upgrade ? |
| 10:13.57 | kabars_edge | fragrant: I would upgrade squeeze to wheezy first, then to sid, update your sources.list file to wheezy, then do an aptitude dist-upgrade |
| 10:14.19 | fragrant | jelly: kabars_edge told me to run aptitude upgrade instead of aptitude dist-upgrade |
| 10:14.29 | jelly | fragrant: no, he did not. |
| 10:14.48 | kabars_edge | no I didn't |
| 10:14.52 | jelly | :-> |
| 10:15.07 | fragrant | No, i don't want to waste time updating to wheezy first then sid, i would upgrade to squeeze to sid directly, is there any problem? |
| 10:15.21 | fragrant | kabars_edge: Yes, you did, |
| 10:15.24 | kabars_edge | from squeeze to sid is a huge upgrade |
| 10:15.34 | fragrant | kabars_edge: Then what did you tell me to run? |
| 10:16.03 | jelly | fragrant: my fear is you won't be able to handle the breakage, and this channel won't really help you with it |
| 10:16.10 | kabars_edge | scroll back up and read, and you'll see you are incorrect, however, no offense, but based on what you are saying, I don't think you're ready for a sid system |
| 10:16.34 | fragrant | Where can i get the support for sid? |
| 10:16.34 | jelly | fragrant: what is the reason you want to use sid? |
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| 10:17.15 | fragrant | jelly: Reason i want it to test it. |
| 10:17.37 | kabars_edge | sid is unstable and comes with a lot of bugs |
| 10:17.39 | fragrant | kabars_edge: You told to run dist-upgrade for wheez |
| 10:17.52 | kabars_edge | dist-upgrade and upgrade is not the same |
| 10:18.03 | kabars_edge | and you have to update your sources.list before you run it |
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| 10:18.28 | fragrant | I have already added sid in /etc/apt/sources.list and did , aptitude update |
| 10:18.33 | fragrant | I told you that. |
| 10:18.56 | fragrant | Has anyone done dist-upgrade today to sid? |
| 10:19.06 | kabars_edge | if you are using aptitude then you need to do aptitude full-upgrade |
| 10:19.12 | fragrant | Has anyone faced any problem with sid today? |
| 10:19.24 | jelly | fragrant: oh, go ahead then. Use #debian-next channel, on irc.debian.org (not this network!) for help. Learn about the bug tracking system, because that's where you'll get to send your test results with buggy packages. |
| 10:19.34 | fragrant | What's the difference between full-upgrade or dist-upgrade ? |
| 10:19.43 | kabars_edge | but there is a good chance you will break a pkgs |
| 10:19.59 | kabars_edge | with aptitude you use full-upgrade, with apt-get you use dist-upgrade |
| 10:20.40 | jelly | fragrant: those are synonyms for "aptitude" tool. |
| 10:20.46 | fragrant | If sid breaks some package i won't mind for that, i need just to login at console(tty) on sid |
| 10:20.51 | jelly | !tell fragrant about sid faq |
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| 10:21.04 | kabars_edge | fragrant: not trying to be a smarta$$, but do you know how to use man pages? |
| 10:21.16 | jelly | !sid upgrade test |
| 10:21.16 | dpkg | If you can't work out how to upgrade your machine to testing (or unstable), then this is probably a good indication that you (a) don't know enough about Debian to be able to solve the inevitable problems you will face and (b) you don't know how to use google or documentation to answer really easy questions. If either of these apply, you shouldn't be using unstable (or even testing) and we're not going to help you do so. |
| 10:21.19 | fragrant | Would sid break the core-system so that i can't even login? |
| 10:21.27 | Iridos | dpkg, tell fragrant about reference |
| 10:21.34 | kabars_edge | unlikely, but possible |
| 10:21.35 | jelly | fragrant: it happens every now and then, yes |
| 10:21.54 | Iridos | fragrant, you want to read 2. specially 2.2 - it answers all the questions you asked on upgrades |
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| 10:22.51 | fragrant | jelly: What's problem with this network, i don't have account in debian network |
| 10:23.09 | fragrant | jelly: Are you on sid now? |
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| 10:23.26 | fragrant | Are those same person? jelly and jelly-home |
| 10:24.02 | kabars_edge | not that you asked, but my servers are on squeeze, and my personal systems are on wheezy, never sid, I need them to work |
| 10:24.06 | fragrant | When you face the problem on sid "can't login" what do you do then? |
| 10:24.33 | kabars_edge | format and reinstall |
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| 10:24.59 | fragrant | Formating and reinstalling is not a good idea |
| 10:25.00 | kabars_edge | usually, if it really breaks it sends you into a kernel panic and it won't actually boot into the OS, not even single user mode |
| 10:25.39 | jelly | fragrant: you don't need an account; no, I'm not using sid at the moment; yes, both are my own connections. |
| 10:25.50 | kabars_edge | that's why it's not a good idea to go from stable to unstable, better to go from stable to testing, work out the bugs, then go to unstable |
| 10:26.11 | kabars_edge | or install unstable fresh |
| 10:26.29 | jelly | kabars_edge: that's not really right |
| 10:27.06 | fragrant | What's the difference between upgrade from squeeze>wheezy>sid and squeeze>sid? I can't get any difference, it's all same. |
| 10:27.41 | fragrant | I just ran aptitude dist-upgrade, and waiting to finish that process |
| 10:27.48 | kabars_edge | good luck then |
| 10:27.56 | fragrant | I'm courageous to upgrade from squeeze to sid |
| 10:28.02 | fragrant | Lets see what happens |
| 10:28.15 | fragrant | May be it breaks all or something. |
| 10:28.49 | fragrant | Just don't break the core system so that i can login as single user mode |
| 10:29.01 | fragrant | jelly: What do you do when you can't login as single user mode? |
| 10:29.02 | kabars_edge | courageous? I would more likely say reckless |
| 10:29.13 | jelly | fragrant: investigate the cause |
| 10:29.28 | fragrant | jelly: How do you investigate as you can't login? |
| 10:29.33 | fragrant | kabars_edge: Not true. |
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| 10:30.15 | kabars_edge | fragrant: I've been a systems engineer for 15 years, I've been on this IRC channel for most of that, and I'm LPIC certified, and I think it's reckless |
| 10:30.25 | fragrant | I remember, i was able to upgrade to sid+lxde many months ago successfully. |
| 10:30.46 | fragrant | kabars_edge: What is LPIC ? |
| 10:30.53 | jelly | fragrant: it depends. Maybe the static-shell-root account works. Maybe I'd need to reboot to some secondary OS or live image and inspect there. |
| 10:30.57 | fragrant | kabars_edge: Define system engineer |
| 10:31.09 | jelly | hah |
| 10:31.18 | kabars_edge | LPI=Linux Professional Institute |
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| 10:31.33 | kabars_edge | LPIC=LPI certified |
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| 10:31.43 | jelly | fragrant: knowing how a subsystem, like the login process, works, helps. |
| 10:31.45 | fragrant | kabars_edge: Where is it located? |
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| 10:31.52 | Iridos | fragrant, I'faith, nuncle, thou't more full of questions than a martlebury is of mizzensails |
| 10:32.03 | kabars_edge | Iridos: I concure |
| 10:32.08 | kabars_edge | concur |
| 10:32.40 | fragrant | kabars_edge: Where is LPIC ? |
| 10:32.42 | jelly | verily. |
| 10:32.48 | jelly | fragrant: google it! |
| 10:33.00 | fragrant | I'm on console(tty) |
| 10:33.05 | fragrant | black screen |
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| 10:33.16 | jelly | use a text-mode browser? |
| 10:33.22 | jelly | like links |
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| 10:33.48 | jelly | or get X working |
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| 10:34.00 | jelly | or use a second machine |
| 10:34.19 | kabars_edge | fragrant: it's world wide, but they are headquartered out of California |
| 10:34.39 | fragrant | kabars_edge: Are you from california? |
| 10:34.49 | jelly | fragrant: if you want to help with Debian development and use sid, it will be very useful to have a second, working machine when sid breaks |
| 10:34.59 | fragrant | jelly: Then how do you fix that problem from another live system? |
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| 10:35.04 | kabars_edge | no I'm not |
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| 10:35.27 | fragrant | I have another debian squeeze installed, this is the second one with sid to test |
| 10:35.34 | fragrant | jelly: ^ |
| 10:35.48 | kabars_edge | fragrant: I would suggest keeping a live CD around as well |
| 10:35.50 | jelly | fragrant: so get a browser running on the second one. |
| 10:36.00 | fragrant | kabars_edge: What do you do actually as system enginner, what is the task for system engineer? |
| 10:36.21 | fragrant | jelly: What to do when it will break |
| 10:36.47 | kabars_edge | fragrant: where do you live? some third world country? |
| 10:36.48 | jelly | fragrant: systematically investigate possible reasons. |
| 10:37.02 | Knaldgas | Iceweasel 10.0.2-1 crashes on some sites with Java with an "Assertion failure". Worked with previous version of Iceweasel. Any hints? |
| 10:37.17 | fragrant | jelly: If i can't login then how to investigate that using other system? |
| 10:37.57 | jelly | fragrant: were we not already past that point. |
| 10:38.11 | Iridos | judd, versions iceweasel |
| 10:38.12 | judd | Package: iceweasel on i386 -- lenny: 3.0.6-3; lenny-security: 3.0.6-3; lenny-backports: 3.5.16-11~bpo50+1; squeeze: 3.5.16-11; squeeze-proposed-updates: 3.5.16-12; squeeze-security: 3.5.16-12; sid: 10.0.2-1; wheezy: 10.0.2-1; experimental: 11.0~b4-1 |
| 10:38.18 | fragrant | jelly: Can't understand what to do with the live os |
| 10:38.50 | Knaldgas | I found this: http://osdir.com/ml/general/2012-02/msg38662.html which is exactly the problem, but I can't get any further... |
| 10:38.56 | fragrant | judd: He, are you the judd vinet , the founder of Archlinux ? :) |
| 10:39.13 | jelly | fragrant: you'll want to learn what a Linux OS consists of, and be able to use the basic debugging tools and browse the documentation to find out how a subsystem works. |
| 10:39.37 | fragrant | jelly: Debugging what? |
| 10:39.52 | jelly | fragrant: the broken login process. |
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| 10:40.26 | fragrant | I'm going to start the gui now. |
| 10:40.44 | jelly | fragrant: this is pretty much out of the scope of this channel, which serves for technical issues rather than explaining what sysadmins do. |
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| 10:41.59 | kabars_edge | OMFG, were we ever that inexperienced? |
| 10:42.06 | jelly | and worse |
| 10:42.12 | kabars_edge | really? |
| 10:42.18 | jelly | dunno about you. |
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| 10:42.59 | kabars_edge | actually, I learned systems in the Marine Corps, their computer science school is like IT boot camp |
| 10:43.17 | kabars_edge | they didn't teach linux, but they did teach UNIX, specifically Solaris |
| 10:43.24 | Iridos | Knaldgas, you're on wheezy... check the bts, possibly report a bug. Either use an older version of iceweasel from snapshots or recompile without the assert |
| 10:44.10 | Knaldgas | Iridos: bts? |
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| 10:44.18 | jelly | Linux stole some nice stuff and some less nice stuff from Solaris. PAM = less nice. ;-) |
| 10:44.27 | Iridos | dpkg, bts |
| 10:44.27 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. See also <apt-listbugs>, <reportbug>. http://wiki.debian.org/HowtoUseBTS |
| 10:44.41 | sylar | udev --deamon use 100% cpu, I did a reboot, but it still use 100% cpu |
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| 10:48.49 | Night_Elf | Hi all. This would seem not related but since I run debian I'd give it a shot. When trying to open a torrent link of the magnet type, iceweasel shows a message: Iceweasel doesn't know how to open this address, because the protocol (magnet) isn't associated with any program. |
| 10:48.54 | Night_Elf | How can I fix this ? |
| 10:49.50 | dualcore | Night_Elf: do you have transmission installed? |
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| 10:50.02 | Knaldgas | Iridos: Thanks! |
| 10:50.13 | Night_Elf | dualcore: yes. The default install that came with debian 6.0.3 |
| 10:50.22 | fragrant | Hi, I have upgraded from squeeze to sid and now i'm on wheezy/sid |
| 10:50.24 | fragrant | jelly: ^ |
| 10:50.31 | dualcore | Night_Elf: open it with transmission |
| 10:50.34 | fragrant | But on console/tty/single usermode |
| 10:50.55 | jelly | fragrant: yay! |
| 10:51.07 | fragrant | BRB |
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| 10:51.48 | dualcore | Night_Elf: there should be a way to make it default |
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| 10:52.03 | Night_Elf | dualcore: rightclicking on it doesn't give the "open with" choice though. I guess there must be some setting elsewhere |
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| 10:52.25 | dualcore | what options do yo have |
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| 10:53.10 | fragrant | jelly: But i can't get the gui, i tried xinit, it didn't work |
| 10:53.14 | fragrant | Is it xstart |
| 10:53.26 | jelly | ask in #debian-next |
| 10:53.37 | dualcore | Night_Elf: right click on a torrent, go to properties, click on the Opens With tab |
| 10:53.38 | jelly | on that there other irc network. |
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| 10:54.07 | fragrant | irc.debian.net ?? |
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| 10:54.33 | jelly | !wheezy |
| 10:54.34 | dpkg | The release after squeeze will be called "wheezy" (the rubber toy penguin with a red bow tie), and will be Debian 7.0. Ask me about <testing>. #debian-next on irc.debian.org. |
| 10:54.38 | jelly | fragrant: ^^ |
| 10:54.48 | fragrant | It's sid not wheezy |
| 10:54.55 | Iridos | Knaldgas, don't see any bug on it yet... perhaps check the mozilla bug site, too, I guess this will only be fixed in a new version of iceweasel |
| 10:54.59 | sylar | udev --deamon use 100% cpu, I did a reboot, but it still use 100% cpu. ANY ONE KNOW ABOUT THIS? |
| 10:55.07 | fragrant | jelly: wheezy/sid |
| 10:55.30 | lapsusbrutus | whats the biggest difference with putting testing and wheezy in sources.list? |
| 10:55.47 | ksk | if wheezy goes stable and theres a new testing you will get this one |
| 10:55.52 | kabars_edge | sylar: is it xorg? |
| 10:56.02 | ksk | if you put wheezy in there you will stay using wheezy (which is what u probably want) |
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| 10:56.05 | ksk | s/u/you |
| 10:56.13 | Night_Elf | dualcore: it is already there as far as .torrent files are concerned. Getting those from the net all works normally. It is the new type, the "magnet://" sort of thing that doesn't quite work. thepiratebay has those and only those now. |
| 10:56.14 | kabars_edge | sylar: I've seen udev via xorg eat a machine for lunch |
| 10:56.15 | ksk | @ lapsusbrutus |
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| 10:56.22 | lapsusbrutus | so testing will "upgrade" automagicly.. well thats logic. nothing more? |
| 10:56.27 | sylar | kabars_edge: it is gnome |
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| 10:56.44 | sylar | kabars_edge: I don't know if it is xorg |
| 10:56.49 | Knaldgas | Iridos: I already tried mozilla, but didn't find any relevant. I also tried to search with the bug-report number from the link: "No premissions" even after I was logged in |
| 10:56.56 | sylar | kabars_edge: is gnome=xorg? |
| 10:57.00 | lapsusbrutus | so sid would be tho rolling release of debian? but unstable ofc. |
| 10:57.07 | sylar | want to die |
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| 10:58.05 | lapsusbrutus | sylar: gnome is just a windowmanager :) install a tiling one, I use awesome and loving it |
| 10:58.24 | lapsusbrutus | ehh kabars_edge ^ |
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| 10:59.00 | dualcore | Night_Elf: you may need to associate it in the browser somehow. for me chrome just give a window called External Protocol Request and asks permission to launch transmission |
| 10:59.15 | dualcore | im using gnome 3 idk if that has anything to do with it |
| 10:59.21 | kabars_edge | sylar: however, your question would be better answered by restarting without a gui running |
| 10:59.37 | kabars_edge | turn off gdm, reboot, see what udev does |
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| 11:00.13 | sylar | kabars_edge: I have 10 users using the system currently |
| 11:00.16 | Night_Elf | dualcore: I see. At any rate, searching the web is mentioning some gconftool-2 methods for registering how to handle those. I'm still checking. |
| 11:00.24 | sylar | kabars_edge: I can't just turn it off now |
| 11:00.43 | sylar | or change the gui lapsusbrutus for 10 users |
| 11:00.48 | kabars_edge | hard to troubleshoot a machine when you have 10 users, especially when the thing causing the issue is essential to their use |
| 11:01.10 | sylar | yes |
| 11:01.24 | thewanderer1 | sylar, one thing to do to alleviate the problem now is renice the udev process to a very low value, say, 15, to reduce impact on system responsiveness |
| 11:01.48 | sylar | goes to hang himself |
| 11:01.51 | dualcore | Night_Elf: what browser are you using |
| 11:01.51 | thewanderer1 | it might still consume 100% of the CPU, but only when there are no important tasks |
| 11:02.35 | thewanderer1 | or if it's a major problem, you could stop udev altogether, but make sure you're aware of the consequences |
| 11:02.37 | kabars_edge | once you get it to a point where you can troubleshoot, you might want to strace udevd |
| 11:02.51 | Night_Elf | dualcore: iceweasel 3.5.16 |
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| 11:02.54 | sylar | thewanderer1: it has a domino effect on other processes that hang as a result of its hang. It is only a matter of time before the system will be no tusable |
| 11:03.47 | thewanderer1 | it is possible to run without udev running - if it poses a stability concern, stop it (plugging in removable disks probably won't work) |
| 11:04.30 | dualcore | Night_Elf: read the 4th entry down http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-newbie-8/how-to-add-magnet-support-to-firefox-460090/ |
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| 11:05.08 | EugenA | i need mc, htop, atop, sysbench.. which repo do I need to install them? |
| 11:05.09 | Night_Elf | dualcore: oh thanks. I was here in the meantime, they speak of chrome. http://www.google.com/support/forum/p/Chrome/thread?tid=65dcac99d6e66dd8&hl=en |
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| 11:05.42 | bambanx | how i can make a ftp for share files? |
| 11:06.01 | dualcore | Night_Elf: also see this http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?t=414215 |
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| 11:06.15 | Milos | My friend is running a live version of Debian with Gnome |
| 11:06.21 | Milos | I told him to run sudo cd /var/log/apache2/ |
| 11:06.25 | Milos | he said it gives him permission denied |
| 11:06.25 | Night_Elf | dualcore: yeap, will do |
| 11:06.26 | Milos | so he used sudo |
| 11:06.30 | Milos | then it said cd: command not found |
| 11:06.31 | kabars_edge | bambanx: why ftp? |
| 11:06.32 | Milos | what the hell? |
| 11:06.46 | Milos | sorry the first time he did not use sudo |
| 11:06.49 | Milos | the second time he used sudo |
| 11:07.17 | bambanx | i wanna shaare files with friends you recommend me other way? kabars_edge |
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| 11:07.28 | chees | hi |
| 11:07.35 | dualcore | Night_Elf: i would search more for "firefox associate magent URI" or something. but yeah it works in chrome by default. |
| 11:07.42 | chees | my sound card do not work in debian unstabel how can o set that up |
| 11:08.32 | kabars_edge | chees: start with making sure you have the right module for your card loaded, then install alsa |
| 11:09.19 | kabars_edge | bambanx: if you want to share files with people you know, and somewhat trust, I would just use the standard ssh/scp/sftp server built into Debian, it's much more secure |
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| 11:09.40 | bambanx | ok kabars_edge |
| 11:09.47 | chees | do you have time to guide me |
| 11:10.06 | Iridos | Milos, cd is a shell internal, not an external command, so sudo cannot find any program of that name to execute (and anyway what you suggested would have been useless had it worked) |
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| 11:10.48 | Milos | Iridos, why can't he change directory what the flip is this |
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| 11:12.19 | kabars_edge | chees: I think you can do lspci | grep audio and it will tell you your card |
| 11:12.22 | Iridos | Milos, probably because the user isn't in the adm group |
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| 11:12.44 | kabars_edge | chees: then you can do a lsmod | grep snd and look for your sound module, make sure it matches your card |
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| 11:13.03 | chees | ah ok thanks |
| 11:13.03 | Milos | Iridos, ok will try that thanks |
| 11:13.55 | EugenA | i need small advice, which repo can i use to install few tools, like mc, htop.. ? |
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| 11:14.27 | chees | how are volti mixer? |
| 11:14.37 | Iridos | Milos, just using "su" would give you a shell in which all commands run as root... |
| 11:14.44 | Iridos | so, I guess, would do sudo bash |
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| 11:14.54 | Milos | Iridos, what a fantastic idea |
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| 11:15.05 | Iridos | indeed :) |
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| 11:17.19 | Milos | Iridos, I never thought about that and I've been using command-line linux for 4 years |
| 11:17.24 | Milos | mind you always as root |
| 11:17.28 | Milos | but nevertheless, great idea |
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| 11:17.44 | Milos | I also just learned that cd isn't actually a program |
| 11:17.48 | Milos | that kind of blew my mind but later made sense |
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| 11:24.21 | bambanx | what is the best cli client for irc guys? |
| 11:24.31 | timo | i prefer irssi |
| 11:24.37 | bambanx | for show to my windows friends and make this crazy |
| 11:24.41 | bambanx | ok |
| 11:25.04 | kabars_edge | for cli, I second irssi, but I run pidgin in my gui |
| 11:25.18 | bambanx | i am using xchat |
| 11:25.24 | Knaldgas | How can I get a specific (older) version of the iceweasel package? |
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| 11:25.30 | bambanx | but i wanna other more profesional |
| 11:25.30 | bambanx | :P |
| 11:25.36 | Rienzilla | I use irssi too |
| 11:25.51 | bambanx | how i can check my bandwich wifi on debian? |
| 11:25.55 | bambanx | is there a tool? |
| 11:26.27 | dualcore | irssi is cool |
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| 11:26.51 | bambanx | bandwidth * |
| 11:27.22 | bambanx | is posible check it on my debian? |
| 11:27.35 | dualcore | bambanx: maybe wireshark? |
| 11:28.17 | bambanx | i dunoo |
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| 11:28.31 | dualcore | i think you can do that with wireshark |
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| 11:28.43 | dualcore | but it might be more than what you're looking for |
| 11:28.54 | bambanx | ok i will check thanks |
| 11:29.14 | petemc | iperf |
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| 11:29.29 | petemc | or use one of the many websites that offer speedtests |
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| 11:31.22 | lelu_ | good morning |
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| 11:31.51 | crazycat | am back i am in irssi now |
| 11:31.52 | crazycat | :P |
| 11:32.05 | lelu_ | linux-image-2.6.32-5-xen-amd64 is the 64-bit version of debian for both amd and intel, correct? |
| 11:32.08 | dualcore | isn't it the coolest crazycat |
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| 11:32.35 | crazycat | what u mean dualcore |
| 11:32.53 | lelu_ | crazycat: im in irssi too :D |
| 11:32.54 | dualcore | crazycat: irssi is cool |
| 11:33.18 | crazycat | how i can open other chat room? |
| 11:33.39 | dualcore | i ssh in from my phone and use irssi |
| 11:33.41 | lelu_ | crazycat: to /join and then use alt + a number |
| 11:33.52 | lelu_ | to swap from room to room |
| 11:33.59 | dualcore | not now though |
| 11:34.02 | crazycat | o ok |
| 11:34.12 | crazycat | can i save the logs here? |
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| 11:35.52 | babilen | !tell lelu_ about why amd64 |
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| 11:36.06 | crazycat | hey babilen!! |
| 11:36.15 | crazycat | you are my debian hero |
| 11:36.17 | lelu_ | babilen: i only ask because vps.net staff have told me I need to upgrade to x64 not amd64 and i think they are talking out their arses |
| 11:36.34 | babilen | lelu_: That seems to be the case. |
| 11:37.14 | lelu_ | babilen: i wish i could find a host with compitent staff... looks like im just going to continue to co-locate |
| 11:37.28 | lelu_ | * in hosue |
| 11:38.11 | babilen | lelu_: We also have another intel 64bit architecture for Itaniums, but it is unlikely that you have it. (ia64) -- I would check that first though, but chances are good that you are just running on "normal" Xeons/i?/Pentiums and that amd64 is the right architecture. |
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| 11:39.06 | lelu_ | babilen: yeah, its Xeons... I tried to update previsouley but there is a bug in the debian xen kernel which causes the container to die |
| 11:39.40 | lelu_ | i shall endevour and go back to the forums... i rememebr seeing someone else post their solution to the problem a month ago |
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| 11:39.46 | babilen | lelu_: Can you give me the bug number? |
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| 11:40.57 | lelu_ | babilen: im going to try it again this weekend once i have moved my svn, git and backups off the server and to another local install |
| 11:41.21 | lelu_ | then i will write a full report on any bugs and publish it |
| 11:41.31 | babilen | lelu_: Ok, you might want to check the bts ( http://bugs.debian.org ) for applicable bug reports (and workarounds/patches/fixes/...) |
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| 11:44.02 | Peaker | trying to install ghc-7.4 on Debian, "./configure" is failing because it runs ghc-pwd which wants libgmp.so.3, when Debian testing comes with libgmp.so.10 |
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| 11:44.41 | babilen | ,versions ghc |
| 11:44.42 | judd | Package: ghc on i386 -- wheezy: 7.0.4-8; sid: 7.4.1-1 |
| 11:44.49 | babilen | ,checkbackport ghc |
| 11:44.54 | judd | Backporting package ghc in sid→squeeze/i386: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: libgmp-dev. |
| 11:44.59 | lelu_ | babilen: yes, I have found the debian community incredibly helpful in the past six years of using it :) |
| 11:45.04 | lelu_ | thank you |
| 11:45.17 | Peaker | I'm trying to manually install ghc from non-deb binary package |
| 11:45.23 | babilen | lelu_: Good luck and just come back if you run into problems. Have a nice day. |
| 11:46.01 | babilen | Peaker: I would recommend to backport ghc from sid as detailed in "/msg dpkg ssb" -- You have to backport (and install!) libgmp-dev first though. |
| 11:46.41 | Peaker | babilen, thanks! |
| 11:47.01 | babilen | Peaker: I am assuming that you are using stable btw -- I am not entirely sure if that is the case and I would kindly ask you to clarify that. |
| 11:47.10 | Peaker | babilen, I'm using testing |
| 11:47.57 | Peaker | I assume having libgmp.so.10 is actually newer than the required libghc.so.3, though? |
| 11:48.04 | babilen | Peaker: Ok, the backporting approach is wrong in that case. Please make sure that you mention such vital information in the future ;) -- I would also like to note that we have a channel specifically for testing/sid support on irc.oftc.net called #debian-next |
| 11:48.09 | babilen | !tell Peaker -about tum |
| 11:48.57 | babilen | Peaker: I would recommend to just add sid to your sources.list and set the default release to wheezy (or testing if you use that in your sources.list) -- You can then install packages easily from sid with "apt-get -t sid install FOO" (or -t unstable) |
| 11:48.59 | Peaker | babilen, thanks again! #debian-next is invite-only |
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| 11:49.24 | babilen | Peaker: The channel is on irc.oftc.net (aka irc.debian.org) not here on freenode. :) |
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| 11:59.33 | fragrant | Hi, What's the command to upgrade only the core system, core packages? |
| 11:59.38 | fragrant | It's debian sid, |
| 12:00.24 | Iridos | did you read 2.2 of http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ ? |
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| 12:01.57 | Iridos | also, what are "core packages" |
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| 12:02.44 | fragrant | System packages.(minimal package) |
| 12:03.23 | Iridos | what differentiates them from other package |
| 12:03.24 | Iridos | s |
| 12:03.40 | Iridos | well |
| 12:03.49 | Iridos | apt-get install <list of what you think core packages are> |
| 12:04.23 | fragrant | I want a common command to install all those system package |
| 12:04.31 | fragrant | I meant no graphical package, |
| 12:04.40 | fragrant | Only command line system package |
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| 12:05.55 | fragrant | Isn't dpkg a bot? |
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| 12:07.06 | Peaker | Fragggy, it is |
| 12:07.12 | Peaker | oops |
| 12:07.14 | Peaker | sorry :) |
| 12:07.16 | Iridos | a bot named after the debian package manager |
| 12:07.27 | Iridos | oh, gorn anyway |
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| 12:07.33 | Iridos | which explains your ETAB |
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| 12:09.58 | lelu_ | thank you |
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| 12:10.03 | lelu_ | oops, thought this was ssh |
| 12:10.22 | Iridos | don't worry... we'll take free thank-yous |
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| 12:22.34 | ronin___ | Hi all, could u give me information about network connection via vpn? (a link can give information) |
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| 12:26.08 | Silicium | hi there |
| 12:27.05 | Silicium | Mar 1 12:23:12 base-installer: 'Debian GNU/Linux 6.0.4 _Squeeze_ - Official amd64 NETINST Binary-1 20120129-00:39' |
| 12:27.08 | Silicium | Mar 1 12:23:12 base-installer: Copying package lists... |
| 12:27.11 | Silicium | Mar 1 12:23:12 base-installer: gpgv: Signature made Tue Jul 19 20:10:21 2011 UTC using DSA key ID FBB75451 |
| 12:27.14 | Silicium | Mar 1 12:23:12 base-installer: gpgv: Can't check signature: public key not found |
| 12:27.39 | Silicium | i'am not able to install netinstall and normal image as well, the repo wont be updated because there is a key problem |
| 12:28.37 | Silicium | amd64 btw |
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| 12:30.46 | jelly | Silicium: FBB75451 is a key for... (1) Ubuntu CD Image Automatic Signing Key <cdimage@ubuntu.com>, apparently |
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| 12:31.32 | jelly | Silicium: do you happen to have the exact URL you downloaded the image from? |
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| 12:37.05 | faissal | hi guys, has anyone ever tried to install google-earth and then when you try to run it you got a freaking message that says google earth has caught signal 11. this is driving me crazy guys, been googling all the way, but couldnt solve it. |
| 12:37.21 | Rienzilla | sig11 is sigsegv right? |
| 12:37.52 | Peaker | should be |
| 12:38.34 | faissal | crashlog-4f4f6d6d.txt is pasted in #flood |
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| 12:39.39 | faissal | or http://paste.debian.net/158175/ |
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| 12:40.09 | faissal | i have no idea what in the hell is sigsegv, all i know is it doesnt sound good |
| 12:40.59 | Silicium | jelly: i think i found the problem |
| 12:41.02 | Peaker | It's a "segfault" -- it basically means your executable is trying to access invalid memory addresses. Something very basic is broken, or the executable is buggy |
| 12:41.14 | Silicium | there was a . directory which contained an old key for ubuntu |
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| 12:41.35 | faissal | man i downloaded the deb off google |
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| 12:41.51 | dumbintel | Hi, I have a base install of debian, except for gcc and irssi, with kfreebsd. I'm running it off a virtual box. When I resize my window the terminal stays the same size. Anyone know how to fix this? Maybe like changing a monitor? |
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| 12:44.04 | Silicium | jep. works now |
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| 12:49.47 | dekatch | sda |
| 12:49.49 | kripz | how can i run a service on port 411? seems like something is blocking it |
| 12:49.58 | petemc | kripz: are you root? |
| 12:50.00 | kripz | no |
| 12:50.12 | kripz | is the first few ports blocked/reserved? |
| 12:50.15 | petemc | you have to be root to use ports > 1024 |
| 12:50.25 | dumbintel | < 1024 |
| 12:50.34 | kripz | now i know :D |
| 12:50.35 | kripz | ty |
| 12:51.17 | petemc | dumbintel: thanks! |
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| 13:12.00 | pozic | How do I obtain the following package? Bug Marked as fixed in versions cvs/2:1.12.13+real-8. |
| 13:12.18 | pozic | The real-8 part is squeeze in my version. |
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| 13:13.57 | babilen | pozic: You could backport that version from sid by following the instructions in "/msg dpkg ssb" |
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| 13:14.40 | babilen | pozic: (and you have my condolences) |
| 13:14.43 | themill | .o0( people still use cvs? ) |
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| 13:15.44 | pozic | babilen: I just used it to get a checkout from some repository. |
| 13:15.49 | pozic | babilen: I am not an active user. |
| 13:15.58 | pozic | babilen: in exchange, it destroyed my info system. |
| 13:16.01 | babilen | pozic: Sure -- That was more or less a joke :) |
| 13:16.02 | pozic | babilen: isn't that nice? |
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| 13:16.18 | pozic | babilen: also, your instructions want to delete some packages I use. |
| 13:16.47 | babilen | No, that is not nice. Is that the bug that is fixed in +real8? Are you aware of the bug number? |
| 13:16.58 | pozic | babilen: yes |
| 13:17.06 | babilen | pozic: Could you show me your commands and their output on http://paste.debian.net please? |
| 13:17.11 | pozic | babilen: tons of packages have the same problems. |
| 13:17.19 | pozic | babilen: I think apt-get install cvs should do the trick. |
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| 13:17.23 | themill | "same problem" ... |
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| 13:17.30 | pozic | babilen: I installed it months ago. |
| 13:17.34 | themill | is still wanting to know what the problem is |
| 13:17.47 | pozic | themill: same problem that M-x info doesn't work in /usr/bin/emacs23 anymore. |
| 13:17.59 | pozic | themill: doesn't work as in 'doesn't list all entries that it should display'. |
| 13:18.00 | themill | bug number... |
| 13:18.09 | babilen | pozic: Which problem are you talking about? It also looks as if you have a bunch of unneeded packages on your system that aptitude removes automatically and that can be removed manually by running "apt-get autoremove" |
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| 13:18.23 | abrotman | cd /win 6 |
| 13:18.31 | babilen | cd /fail 42! |
| 13:18.54 | pozic | themill, babilen: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=659861 |
| 13:18.56 | themill | pozic: there are too many "them"s "it"s "the problem" etc in what you've said so far and not enough specifics. I think you've managed to thoroughly confuse both babilen and me. |
| 13:19.18 | pozic | themill: someone else had the same problem with opencubicplayer. |
| 13:19.28 | pozic | themill: they all mess with global info files. |
| 13:19.52 | pozic | themill: someone suggested to add some code which would make sure that packages didn't do that, because lots of maintainers make these stupid, stupid mistakes. |
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| 13:20.56 | pozic | themill: do you already get it? |
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| 13:22.28 | themill | pozic: no I don't understand at all. I'm looking at the CVS package right not and it doesn't contain that file. |
| 13:23.27 | pozic | themill: dpkg -S listed some info file as output. |
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| 13:23.39 | themill | "some info file" |
| 13:24.07 | pozic | themill: there likely is only one. |
| 13:24.16 | pozic | themill: if you have any Debian skills, these instructions should be enough. |
| 13:24.31 | themill | cvs: /usr/share/info/cvs.info.gz |
| 13:24.35 | themill | and that should be there... |
| 13:24.41 | themill | right. there's only one. |
| 13:24.42 | pozic | It wasn't that one. |
| 13:25.04 | themill | So either stop being vague and insulting to the people who are trying to help or work out how to help yourself... |
| 13:25.12 | pozic | themill: /usr/share/info/dir.gz |
| 13:25.31 | pozic | themill: my dpkg -S /usr/share/info/dir.gz retured cvs. |
| 13:25.32 | themill | and you don't have /usr/share/info/cvs.info.gz? |
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| 13:25.46 | pozic | themill: that's completely irrelevant. |
| 13:25.50 | wide_awake | hiya |
| 13:26.02 | themill | pozic: so your "there's only one" is both lying and insulting. Have fun. |
| 13:26.13 | pozic | themill: I already installed cvs from a competing package system now. |
| 13:26.20 | pozic | themill: which does work and doesn't mess up my system. |
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| 13:26.38 | pozic | themill: it's only my fifth package now, but still. |
| 13:27.54 | fiacha | Hi! I changed a /etc/routing/* file and I want the system to reaload it. I found a /etc/init.d/routing script but restart / reload is "not implemented". How can i get them to be reloaded without restarting? |
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| 13:28.12 | jelly | fiacha: which distro and release are you using? |
| 13:28.15 | pozic | themill: uhm, I gave you the bug nr, told you exactly how to reproduce it. cvs: /usr/share/info/dir.gz |
| 13:28.28 | pozic | themill: the problem still exists today. |
| 13:28.32 | pozic | themill: the bug report is very clear. |
| 13:28.44 | pozic | themill: how on Earth do you manage to still not understand it? |
| 13:28.53 | fiacha | jelly: lenny |
| 13:28.54 | themill | there is not a single debian package in squeeze that contains /usr/share/info/dir.gz |
| 13:29.15 | jelly | fiacha: can you show the output of dpkg -S /etc/init.d/routing |
| 13:29.21 | pozic | themill: just do apt-get install cvs on a Squeeze box. |
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| 13:29.32 | pozic | themill: do you think that whoever reported this made it up? |
| 13:29.38 | themill | pozic: I have it installed. That file is not there. I have looked in the CVS package. The file is not there. |
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| 13:30.05 | themill | pozic: but whenever I ask for more details, I get "the file" "the problem" "there's only one" "if you have any Debian skills, these instructions should be enough." |
| 13:30.08 | wide_awake | how can I make "close the laptop lid" do nothing (not running X) |
| 13:30.12 | fiacha | jelly: "dpkg: /etc/init.d/routing not found." ... but the file is there!? |
| 13:30.32 | pozic | themill: I didn't see denial from the maintainer: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=659861 |
| 13:30.37 | jelly | fiacha: sounds like a local customization |
| 13:30.38 | themill | pozic: do you not think that I might be asking for more details because I'm having trouble working out what the problem is and I can't see it? |
| 13:30.42 | pozic | themill: in fact, he fixed it. |
| 13:30.47 | jasox | can not find source for kernel 3.1.0-1-amd64 in pack repos :S |
| 13:30.48 | pozic | themill: except not in the version that matters. |
| 13:31.00 | jasox | there is only source for 3.2 and 2.6 |
| 13:31.01 | pozic | Stable is supposed to get fixed and the fixes should go to unstable. |
| 13:31.15 | themill | err, no that's not how it works at all |
| 13:31.18 | fiacha | jelly: yes that might be. I will ask around. Thank you for the help! :) |
| 13:31.28 | jelly | fiacha: np, good luck |
| 13:31.45 | pozic | themill: which system does aim to fix things? |
| 13:31.54 | pozic | themill: I will have to switch to that the next time then. |
| 13:32.00 | themill | dpkg: tell pozic about stable |
| 13:32.10 | pozic | Stable only gets security updates. |
| 13:32.13 | themill | pozic: things do not change in stable unless they are tested and fixed in unstable first. |
| 13:32.15 | pozic | Testing is unstable. |
| 13:32.19 | pozic | Unstable in unstable. |
| 13:32.24 | pozic | So, there is no unsable system? |
| 13:32.30 | pozic | usable? |
| 13:32.44 | themill | whatever that actually means. |
| 13:32.53 | pozic | themill: how long do you think it takes to test something like this? |
| 13:32.56 | pozic | themill: 10 seconds? |
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| 13:33.00 | pozic | Hmm, oh look it works. |
| 13:33.04 | pozic | Done. |
| 13:33.12 | pozic | Not everything is complex. |
| 13:33.23 | themill | pozic: what makes you think I haven't tested this? |
| 13:33.27 | pozic | Or better: 'run automated test suite for three hours'. |
| 13:33.31 | fiacha | jelly: Thanks! :) |
| 13:33.40 | themill | pozic: and what makes you say that doesn't happen either? |
| 13:33.41 | pozic | Oh, look it really works. Push to Stable, everyone happy. |
| 13:33.48 | pozic | themill: because it didn't happen. |
| 13:34.00 | themill | umm... seriously... |
| 13:34.09 | Iridos | pozic, I feel you should create your own distribution |
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| 13:34.16 | themill | pozic: please feel free to find this file in the file list: http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/amd64/cvs/filelist |
| 13:34.27 | pozic | themill: and this file list is created how? |
| 13:34.42 | themill | htf do you think |
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| 13:34.51 | pozic | themill: by a human or by some automatic process which makes sure it is impossible that some files slip through?> |
| 13:35.02 | pozic | themill: because then the automatic process is broken. |
| 13:35.21 | themill | sure. A human transcribes all the package contents. |
| 13:35.25 | themill | that's clearly how it works. |
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| 13:35.45 | pozic | themill: so, then the automatic process is not working. |
| 13:35.57 | pozic | themill: again, I do apt-get remove cvs and it is gone. |
| 13:36.05 | pozic | themill: I do apt-get install cvs and it is back. |
| 13:36.11 | jelly | pozic: which architecture and package version is that cvs? |
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| 13:37.04 | pozic | jelly: 1:1.12.13-12+squeeze1 amd64 |
| 13:37.25 | pozic | jelly: perhaps it doesn't even have an arch. |
| 13:37.41 | pozic | jelly: the first part is what the tool outputted. |
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| 13:41.12 | jelly | pozic: yeah, it's only there in amd64, probably the maintainer's upload. |
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| 13:41.31 | themill | pozic: it looks like that file was accidentally introduced in the last security update for CVS. Why, I can't work out as security buildd logs are not available. If you'd been more cooperative in offering additiona information to start with rather than ranting and telling people they should be able to find the information themselves, then we would have been able to work this out earlier. |
| 13:41.40 | themill | it's only in the amd64 package. |
| 13:41.44 | somethinginteres | how do I get the package gnome-orca on wheezy. Says it's only available from another source? |
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| 13:42.12 | jelly | since it breaks info, it probably deserves an upload to stable |
| 13:42.15 | faissal | hi guys, i want to stream media from debian to my xbox360, has anyone managed to do that ?? |
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| 13:42.48 | themill | jelly: yeah, probably. Needs the maintainer to ping the release team about it; the release team are at least already aware, it seems |
| 13:43.00 | pozic | jelly: the proper solution is to modify the tools such that packages cannot just touch those important info files. |
| 13:43.14 | pozic | jelly: this isn't the first time this has happened. |
| 13:43.28 | themill | patches welcome. |
| 13:43.40 | zophy | i want to divide up a large foo.tar.gz file and mail it to a google gmail account for archiving purposes, which program will do this for me ? |
| 13:43.48 | jelly | pozic: I disagree. If anything, the proper solution would be to completely disregard maintainer's binary uploads, and build everything via buildds |
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| 13:44.12 | pozic | jelly: I didn't have that information. What is the difference between the two? |
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| 13:44.30 | pozic | jelly: I understand that one is some build infrastructure Debian has. |
| 13:44.42 | pozic | jelly: I just don't see how it would have prevented this issue. |
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| 13:45.34 | jelly | pozic: the packages built for all the other architectures in buildds don't have the extra file. |
| 13:46.02 | pozic | jelly: and the on in opencubicplayer? |
| 13:46.03 | jelly | pozic: only the one built and uploaded by maintainer seems to. |
| 13:46.06 | pozic | one* |
| 13:46.29 | jelly | pozic: I've missed that part of the conversation. |
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| 13:47.04 | pozic | jelly: 537835 |
| 13:47.37 | themill | that bug is not in squeeze |
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| 13:48.35 | jelly | pozic: a different bug, with the same symptom, it seems |
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| 13:50.05 | pozic | Yes, that bug is not in Squeeze, but who cares about that? |
| 13:50.19 | pozic | The point is that 5 different bugs all originate from the same process. |
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| 13:50.24 | themill | well... if a bug doesn't affect you, why are you ranting about it |
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| 13:51.02 | pozic | themill: this is a bug which could have been prevented if people learned from the past. |
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| 13:51.18 | jelly | pozic: it makes sense to add a lintian rule I guess |
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| 13:51.22 | themill | there already is |
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| 13:51.40 | jelly | but it's not enforced at upload time? |
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| 13:52.05 | themill | jelly: not sure about now and probably not on security.d.o |
| 13:52.15 | themill | and certainly not for 3 year old bugs |
| 13:52.18 | pozic | If it is, and we can developer uploads, then I would consider it as solved. |
| 13:52.24 | pozic | ban* |
| 13:52.35 | pozic | Of the sort jelly mentioned. |
| 13:53.01 | jelly | pozic: have fun pushing that issue thru debian bureaucracy! |
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| 13:53.31 | themill | And let's put this into proportion... debian has 600000 bugs on the books of which 83000 are still relevant. And you're worried about a minor bug that has come up 5 times. |
| 13:54.04 | jelly | it's a minor but systematic annoyance |
| 13:54.21 | themill | sure, and there's a minor but systematic nagger about it in lintian. |
| 13:54.24 | jelly | exactly the kind lintian is supposed to find, I guess |
| 13:54.34 | themill | size of hammer to solve the problem is commensurate to the size of the problem |
| 13:54.55 | pozic | I always use a laser targetting device to kill a musquito. |
| 13:55.08 | wide_awake | I have a non-X debian install on a laptop, and when I close the lid it doesn't suspend (which is what I want), but when I reopen the lid, the screen does not come back on. How can I fix it? |
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| 14:10.02 | SkalTura | my Bind is poisoned under debian for some curious reason |
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| 14:10.18 | SkalTura | it keeps giving cnet/search.com for inexisting entries, but not when using host, only when using ping etc. |
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| 14:10.21 | SkalTura | any ideas? |
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| 14:11.00 | petemc | SkalTura: you're running a caching nameserver locally? |
| 14:11.10 | SkalTura | petemc: more than that, a nameserver for one domain |
| 14:11.13 | SkalTura | petemc: bind |
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| 14:11.20 | petemc | it does recursive lookups as well? |
| 14:11.21 | SkalTura | petemc: only one zone added, mostly default config |
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| 14:11.36 | SkalTura | petemc: yeah it does, it's enabled by default |
| 14:11.44 | petemc | is it? |
| 14:11.45 | SkalTura | petemc: it's almost default deb5 config |
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| 14:12.43 | petemc | SkalTura: /etc/resolv.conf is using 127.0.0.1? |
| 14:13.07 | SkalTura | petemc: yes, as primary |
| 14:13.17 | SkalTura | petemc: removing all but 127.0.0.1 still yields results |
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| 14:13.29 | SkalTura | petemc: for the domain in question this is also the master dns |
| 14:13.31 | petemc | rndc querylog will toggle verbose logging |
| 14:13.51 | SkalTura | oh didn't know that |
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| 14:14.30 | jelly | I'd keep authoritative and recursing/caching name server functions completely separate |
| 14:14.31 | SkalTura | hmmph except i can't find a log |
| 14:14.58 | petemc | syslog |
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| 14:16.21 | SkalTura | yeah there is some really funky entries |
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| 14:17.13 | SkalTura | oh most of it's from my servers using search pulsedmedia.com |
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| 14:17.37 | petemc | do you see cnet/search.com queries? |
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| 14:18.19 | SkalTura | OK now i know how it is done |
| 14:18.22 | SkalTura | com.com |
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| 14:18.28 | SkalTura | any subdomain there results in that address |
| 14:18.34 | SkalTura | after it cannot find it, it adds an .com |
| 14:18.42 | SkalTura | i don't have any search defined, so what's oging on here? |
| 14:19.24 | SkalTura | allow-recursion { 127.0.0.1 }; |
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| 14:20.16 | SkalTura | how can i stop bind from doing that? |
| 14:20.22 | overflow_0f8b | Xilinx announced its first application processors in the form of Linux-ready, dual-core Cortex-A9 system-on-chip (SoCs) that offer FPGA functionality. |
| 14:20.33 | overflow_0f8b | i am putting this on my wishlist lol http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/Xilinx-Zynq7000/ |
| 14:21.39 | themill | overflow_0f8b: no-one cares |
| 14:22.04 | overflow_0f8b | this is the future. |
| 14:22.14 | themill | points towards #debian-offtopic |
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| 14:22.34 | overflow_0f8b | ..|.. |
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| 14:28.25 | faissal | lol |
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| 14:30.12 | zophy | can the command line mail program send attachments ? |
| 14:30.25 | streuner | mutt, yes. |
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| 14:31.15 | DelTree | "the command line mail program", no. |
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| 14:32.31 | abrotman | zophy: you'd have to construct the message yourself and encode the attachment |
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| 14:38.19 | jhutchins | zophy: The "mail" command can't, but there are utilities that can. |
| 14:38.57 | jhutchins | Some vague memory of "enigmail" or something... |
| 14:39.28 | jhutchins | zophy: It's pretty convoluted, but it can be done. |
| 14:39.47 | themill | makes jhutchins search for what enigmail actually is |
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| 14:43.46 | wide_awake | how do I force the console screen to unblank? the system is responsive to typing, but the screen stays blank after the laptop lid is closed/opened |
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| 14:46.10 | zophy | jhutchins, yes --> a bit convoluted in practice, but really a simple concept --> http://www.panix.com/~kylet/mime.sh.txt |
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| 14:47.39 | themill | ,i biabam |
| 14:47.40 | judd | Package biabam (mail, extra) in squeeze/i386: bash attachment mailer. Version: 0.9.7-7; Size: 7.2k; Installed: 64k; Homepage: http://mmj.dk/biabam/ |
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| 14:49.50 | jelly | mutt is easier to type! |
| 14:50.11 | themill | quite. But if you didn't have mutt already set up, you might use something like that, I guess |
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| 14:51.07 | jelly | a clean install of mutt and "echo | mutt -s 'subject here' -a foo.zip -- recipients here" ought to work |
| 14:51.50 | themill | :) |
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| 14:54.13 | babilen | Why will there be yet another point release for lenny? (5.0.10) -- Are point-releases provided until it is moved to archive and s/oldstable// ? |
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| 14:58.49 | themill | babilen: 5.0.10 is to copy everything from lenny/updates and lenny-proposed-updates across to lenny, respin the CDs and then (some time after) move it to archive.d.o and off the mirrors |
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| 15:00.30 | babilen | themill: Why wasn't that done before lenny's expiration date? I think I conflate "Termination of security support" and "EOL for oldstable" and was a bit surprised to see the announcement for 5.0.10 |
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| 15:01.08 | themill | Well it has to be done after the last possible security update is released, so it has to happen after stable security support stops. |
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| 15:01.37 | stephanb | hi there, is there some way to get kde 4.8 in debian? |
| 15:01.53 | themill | not for the time being |
| 15:02.17 | babilen | themill: Makes sense, thanks! |
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| 15:02.26 | stephanb | themill: not even in unstable? |
| 15:02.30 | themill | no |
| 15:02.46 | stephanb | allright |
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| 15:06.26 | faissal | ok guys, i need to run everytime i boot this command : /usr/bin/minidlna ; any idea on how i can have that done automaticall at bootup ?? please ?? |
| 15:06.36 | crodjer | How should I go about writing custom XF86Config in debian unstable? I basically want to configure Xinerama. |
| 15:07.25 | crodjer | doing X -configure to genarate xorg.conf leads to a failure. "Number of created screens does not match number of detected devices." |
| 15:08.25 | stephanb | faissal: do you need it at bootup? or when logging in? or when starting X? |
| 15:08.26 | faissal | anyone ?? |
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| 15:08.49 | faissal | stephanb: i need it when X has started and after i have logged in instead |
| 15:09.13 | faissal | stephanb: but i am logged in automatically so i am not really sure |
| 15:09.16 | stephanb | faissal: what desktop-enviroment are you using? |
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| 15:09.18 | FluxiFlax2023 | how is there a command/service that allows me to get the time in a certain city .. I.e. if I want to know whwat the time is in NY or Berlin right now ..something like get_time_now Berlin |
| 15:09.22 | faissal | stephanb: gnome |
| 15:09.35 | madm1ke_ | hi there. what's the best way to get the 32bit libstdc++5 on a 64bit squeeze? i.e does anyone know why there is no lib32stdc++5 package? |
| 15:09.57 | stephanb | faissal: you can add the command you want somewhere in "preferences -> sessions" if you use gnome 2 |
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| 15:10.42 | faissal | stephanb: i dont have sessions, but I have startup applications, i have already tried that but it aint working |
| 15:11.45 | stephanb | faissal: i'm not running gnome atm, so i cant check it, but that should be the way to go... what does your program do, the one you want to start automaticaly |
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| 15:12.33 | crodjer | Will creating a directory xorg.conf.d in /etc/X11 and putting configurations there work? |
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| 15:12.42 | faissal | stephanb: actually, it allows to stream media to my xbox360, it is working fine except that i need to type in the command everytime i bootup my pc, which is not very convenient :( |
| 15:13.37 | stephanb | faissal: yeah... maybe someone who actually runs gnome can help you, thats just the way i remembered it... |
| 15:14.20 | faissal | stephanb: thx for the help, thats what i thought as well, you know putting the command in the startup applications, but since it is not working, i tought i was doing something wrong :( |
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| 15:14.33 | stephanb | faissal: it worked for me in the past |
| 15:14.41 | stephanb | faissal: thats all i can say |
| 15:14.51 | faissal | stephanb: do you know how to run that command at boot time instead ? |
| 15:14.57 | linkbuck | hi all |
| 15:15.02 | g105b | How do I use `chown` to change ownership to a user ID? `chown 1000 SomeFile` changes ownership to root :S |
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| 15:16.01 | DelTree | g105b: sounds like a bad idea to start with... |
| 15:16.08 | stephanb | faissal: not really |
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| 15:16.28 | faissal | stephanb: thx, googled it, found it :) |
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| 15:17.31 | DelTree | g105b: but man says it should work... |
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| 15:21.19 | crylx | hi |
| 15:22.06 | crylx | could it be possible that server side php generates a different md5 hash value comparing to a mysql server? |
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| 15:23.02 | linkbuck | http://ef741e91.linkbucks.com Welcome |
| 15:23.06 | wide_awake | crylx, no. by definition, md5 of the same input gives the same output. Could be the strings are different (line endings, for example) |
| 15:23.07 | colo-work | crylx, not really, if the original image set matches. you could end up with a different representation of the same hash, however. |
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| 15:24.58 | crylx | colo-work: wide_awake that's strange. i'm trying to set up a php login page which compares the user pw to a hash value in the sql db. tracing the process results in 2 different password hashes. could that be explained somehow? |
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| 15:25.39 | wide_awake | typed it wrong? |
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| 15:25.48 | crylx | wide_awake: lol, no i didn't |
| 15:25.51 | colo-work | I would do all hashing in EITHER the DB, OR the application (the application sure is a lot more sane). |
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| 15:25.54 | wide_awake | caps lock on? ;) |
| 15:26.06 | crylx | wide_awake: hmmm :) |
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| 15:26.40 | crylx | colo-work: can you recommend a quick howto on that topic? |
| 15:26.45 | wide_awake | crylx, you can check an md5sum from the command line too |
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| 15:26.57 | colo-work | on what topic? securely/sanely designing web applications? I'm afraid no. |
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| 15:27.55 | crylx | colo-work: haha no, more about sql/php authentication for that particular purpose |
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| 15:29.30 | sephii | crylx: just hash your password in php before inserting it in the database, and then when you check it, hash the input to check if it matches the hashed value in the db |
| 15:29.55 | colo-work | crylx, well, hashing stuff is supported by both PHP and by MySQL. you're required/advised to store hashed (and salted, forthat matter) passwords only anyway, so I don't see why the unhashed version of the user's secret should touch your DB server in the first place, even if only passing through. you'll also have the chance to migrate to a better RDBMS later on, in case that better RDBMS computes or stores hashes differently than mysql did. |
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| 15:30.39 | sephii | crylx: just as a note, you should consider using another hashing algorithm than md5 which is not as secure as it was before. you could use pbkdf2 for example |
| 15:30.49 | colo-work | also, by not passing unhashed user input to your RDBMS, you prevent opening the can of worms labelled with "SQL injection". that is, of course, only valid if you're using the PHP/SQL combo in a rather unhealthy manner. |
| 15:30.52 | N3M35I5_ | hey, can anyone help me? i want to get an email when a user ssh's into my server and a full log on ssh activitys. can this be done? ive been googling for ages and found nothing, thanks |
| 15:31.00 | colo-work | (but most people do that, unfortunately) |
| 15:31.32 | colo-work | N3M35I5_, detailed logging of suer activity is outlawed in most parts of the world. |
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| 15:32.53 | crylx | sephii: colo-work wide_awake cool those are very helpful answers. thanks and have a nice day! |
| 15:33.04 | colo-work | have a nice day, too :) |
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| 15:35.24 | qwd | Anyone else use Iceweasel from mozilla.debian.net and notice that updates for addons aren't found? |
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| 15:36.48 | wide_awake | qwd, pretty sure starting with version 10, addons are compatible by default |
| 15:37.32 | qwd | wide_awake: I mean it won't find new addons. I noticed now that https-everywhere 2.0 was released. Iceweasel wouldn't find the update so I checked Zotero and Noscript and noticed those also have new versions that haven't been updated in my browser. |
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| 15:38.09 | wide_awake | it's possible the addons themselves have opted out of update checking |
| 15:38.23 | wide_awake | but I don't use those addons (nor iceweasel for that matter), so I'm not sure |
| 15:38.46 | petn-randall | Hi, is there a one-liner to install the recommends of an already installed package? |
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| 15:38.52 | petn-randall | I want to do it on a handful of servers, so I'm too lazy to do it manually on all of them. |
| 15:38.55 | qwd | All of them? Manually checking for updates won't find anything either. |
| 15:39.37 | wide_awake | qwd, does it let you update them if you go to the page on addons.mozilla.org? https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/zotero/?src=search, for example |
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| 15:41.29 | qwd | wide_awake: Doesn't seem like it. "Unknown time remaining - 0 bytes" |
| 15:41.38 | wide_awake | weird |
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| 15:41.55 | dorong | hey guys |
| 15:42.05 | dorong | need some help regarding raid10 array |
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| 15:42.13 | dorong | I've created a RAID10 array using mdadm on /dev/md0. after it finished syncing, I restarted the machine (didn't created a filesystem on it or some kind of an LVM volume on top of it yet). |
| 15:42.22 | dorong | when the machine restarted, the array was /dev/md127 instead /dev/md0 |
| 15:42.24 | qwd | Yeah, I get connection error for https-everywhere from eff.org also, so that seems suspicious as well. I think I'll just get rid of this profile and see if that solves the problem. |
| 15:42.27 | dorong | any idea why should such a thing happen ? |
| 15:42.51 | wide_awake | qwd, you can also try safe mode |
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| 15:46.39 | wide_awake | when I close the lid and reopen, the screen does not come back on. the system still responds to keyboard though. How can I either not blank the screen when the lid closes, or make the screen come back on when it opens? |
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| 15:49.27 | wide_awake | I've figured out how to run a script when the lid is opened/closed, but I don't know what to put in there to force the screen back on |
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| 15:49.36 | wide_awake | setterm -blank poke doesn't do anything |
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| 15:59.05 | klync | wide_awake: maybe it's just a problem with your acpi subsystem and bios setting? are you running X? |
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| 15:59.32 | klync | .... iow, i don't think you should need to do anything *that* fancy to get the screen to come back on |
| 15:59.43 | wide_awake | klync, not running X |
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| 15:59.55 | wide_awake | just console |
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| 16:00.20 | wide_awake | and FWIW, the normal "blank after X minutes" blanking works and comes back on for keyboard input as expected |
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| 16:01.18 | wide_awake | klync, it shouldn't be a BIOS thing, I think, since the screen worked OK after the lid was opened when it was running windows |
| 16:01.37 | wide_awake | klync, where would I start looking to figure out if it's an acpi problem? |
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| 16:08.45 | klync | wide_awake: this is for thinkpads, but might be helpful: http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/How_to_make_ACPI_work |
| 16:09.09 | lelu_ | how does one go about reducing the partition for /home and expanding the one for the core system? |
| 16:09.17 | TheRedOctober | Hi all. I got a warning on a box that has a load avg of 333.00. I cannot find a process going insane. Ideas? |
| 16:09.23 | wide_awake | klync, thanks, I'll have a read |
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| 16:09.35 | petemc | TheRedOctober: look for processes in D state |
| 16:09.52 | TheRedOctober | petemc: ahh, thx. |
| 16:09.57 | klync | wide_awake: here's another that might help but seems a lot more general: http://tuxmobil.org/apm_linux.html |
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| 16:10.06 | lelu_ | in other words I want to shrink the /dev/sda6 partition by 30GB and extend /dev/sda1 by 30GB |
| 16:10.29 | wide_awake | lelu_, if you're using LVM it's pretty easy. If you're using plan ol' partitions, you might have better luck moving/symlinking some stuff from / into /home |
| 16:10.37 | klync | wide_awake: this sounds most like your issue: http://justlinux.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-145494.html |
| 16:11.08 | lelu_ | wide_awake: thats what my dad said haha... how do i check if its LVM or not? |
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| 16:11.37 | wide_awake | lelu_, google :) |
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| 16:11.49 | wide_awake | klync, thanks! |
| 16:12.05 | lelu_ | wide_awake: your not my dad are you haha. off to google i go :p |
| 16:12.13 | wide_awake | hehhe |
| 16:12.26 | wide_awake | no, not your dad, unless I have kids I don't know about ;) |
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| 16:16.51 | lelu_ | wide_awake: haha... well I installed debian about a year ago on this server and the original install oddly placed root mount with 6.42GB, /dev with 1GB, /home with 446GB and /tmp with 1GB... odd |
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| 16:18.22 | lelu_ | df |
| 16:18.23 | lelu_ | oops |
| 16:18.31 | lelu_ | damnit irssi looks like shell >:/ |
| 16:18.36 | wide_awake | heh |
| 16:18.38 | somiaj | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:18.56 | somiaj | of which usually very little is used |
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| 16:23.42 | Ronis_BR | hi all, how can I change default CPU governor as a user? |
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| 16:41.54 | ben1066 | Is there a web based ftp client |
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| 16:42.01 | ben1066 | I have my home server |
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| 16:42.11 | ben1066 | and Id like to be able to have a webpage where I can start and stop downloads |
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| 16:43.05 | lelu_ | ok i have an odd problem ive not come accross before. aptitude crashed when the hard disk got full and now when i try to do aptitude upgrade it returns E: I wasn't able to locate file for the radeontool package. This might mean you need to manually fix this package. |
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| 16:44.43 | lelu_ | ah well looks like its fixed, just reinstalled it before removing it again :) |
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| 16:48.13 | sparky4 | i am useing debian wheezy and i think aptitude is broken... |
| 16:48.28 | Knaldgas | User can mount but umount fails: "only root can unmount" (Wheezy), any hints? |
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| 16:50.53 | gribouille | hi |
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| 16:52.38 | sparky4 | ohh wait |
| 16:52.41 | eris0xff | hi |
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| 16:53.35 | gribouille | I want to build packages automatically. is there a script that gives the name of the file that will be created by dpkg-buildpackage? |
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| 16:59.00 | xxtjaxx_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:59.41 | xxtjaxx_ | gribouille: works almost as what you want |
| 16:59.46 | eris0xff | i'm trying to nail down the "official" version of libedit. seems that the bsd libedit hasn't been sync'd with them since 2008. NetBSD is currently maintaining libedit, the most recent version being from 2011/08. I'm in SID. Is there an "official" process for sync'ing to it or should I just go ahead and do it and send it to the official maintainer |
| 17:00.08 | gribouille | xxtjaxx_, what does it do? |
| 17:00.19 | xxtjaxx_ | gribouille: builds your package in a chroot |
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| 17:00.31 | xxtjaxx_ | gribouille: automagically. |
| 17:00.42 | xxtjaxx_ | gribouille: maybe you could even use buildd |
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| 17:01.20 | xxtjaxx_ | gribouille: or git://git.debian.org/mirror/wanna-build.git |
| 17:01.41 | xxtjaxx_ | gribouille: see https://buildd.debian.org/ for a description |
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| 17:02.32 | dorong | need some help regarding raid10 array |
| 17:02.40 | dorong | I've created a RAID10 array using mdadm on /dev/md0. after it finished syncing, I restarted the machine (didn't created a filesystem on it or some kind of an LVM volume on top of it yet). |
| 17:02.45 | dorong | when the machine restarted, the array was /dev/md127 instead /dev/md0 |
| 17:02.48 | dorong | any idea why should such a thing happen ? |
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| 17:03.36 | allain | Hey I'm writing something using couchbase for the first time and I have a piece of code that does a GET on the db and is always getting a 404, even though later in the console, my PUT for that db returns a 201. Do I need to do anything to have my couchdb persist across app runs in the emulator? |
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| 17:04.25 | allain | sorry, wrong channel |
| 17:04.26 | nand` | Is it easy to shrink an ext3 partition, to about half size? It has 6% used |
| 17:04.47 | nand` | Furthermore, can I do this while the partition is mounted? |
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| 17:05.28 | SmashingX | hey guys I'm unable to hibernate my computer. It seems like is hibernating but then when I turn it back on all the work is gone. Any suggestions? |
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| 17:07.31 | klync | SmashingX: kernel param (in grub) to tell it to load the saved image on startup? kernel has the required modules for it? |
| 17:08.30 | tremon | dorong: it means the raid array is not detected as "home array". IIRC, newer mdadm metadata contains the hostname (or other identifier) of the system that created it |
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| 17:09.33 | SmashingX | klync: so, what do you recommend me to do? |
| 17:09.51 | dorong | tremon - so what does that mean ? how can I make it fixed on md0 ? |
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| 17:10.50 | klync | SmashingX: i haven't dealt with that in a long time and don't have a machine handy to look at as a reference, i just hoped those would be good starting points for you to search on |
| 17:11.47 | tremon | dorong: check the manual, assemble -U |
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| 17:12.30 | dorong | ok, thanks tremon |
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| 17:16.58 | sje46 | Hey, so, my "http is broken". That is, I have cconnection to the internet (it's how I'm speaking to you now) but none of my browsers can find the servers. |
| 17:17.26 | sje46 | I tried google chrome, evince, iceweasel, and w3m |
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| 17:20.59 | tremon | sje46: traceroute -T? |
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| 17:25.37 | ben1066 | Im having a fi |
| 17:25.49 | ben1066 | dumb issue with proftpd |
| 17:25.54 | sje46 | tremon: I unplugged my computer then tried to reconnect, but couldnt, so I rebooted my computer and also replugged my router, and the problem is fixed now |
| 17:25.55 | ben1066 | it wont let me login with the ftp user |
| 17:25.58 | sje46 | thanks though :) |
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| 17:30.57 | ben1066 | anyone? |
| 17:31.06 | ben1066 | Im also able to go outside my home directory :S |
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| 17:34.43 | laidback_01 | hey, I'm using freebsd 9 with jails. I really like it. Previous to this, I've used debian/Xen. That's nice and all, but always seemed overkill - don't really need full virtualization when I'm just running the same O/S. What is the equivalent of FreeBSD Jails in linux (debian in particular) ? |
| 17:36.23 | petn-randall | laidback_01: For non-root things chroot works |
| 17:37.16 | cthuluh | jails go much further than a simple chroot |
| 17:37.29 | laidback_01 | chroot was the basis for jails. I'm sure there's a very good equivalent, at one time I started with it, but never finished, and now don't recall. Chroot is fine for certain apps.. but they are not a jail. |
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| 17:37.33 | petn-randall | cthuluh: true |
| 17:37.47 | cthuluh | laidback_01: you could consider lxc (vserver and openvz are kinda dying) |
| 17:37.57 | gnarface | laidback_01: linux-vservers is what you're looking for |
| 17:38.09 | ben1066 | anyone here use proftpd? |
| 17:38.19 | laidback_01 | okay, I'll take a look at both of those. thanks |
| 17:38.22 | gnarface | laidback_01: linux-vservers are the closest to bsd jails |
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| 17:39.36 | cthuluh | !vserver |
| 17:39.39 | dpkg | Linux-VServer allows creation of virtual private servers and security contexts which operate like a normal Linux server, but allow many independent servers to be run simultaneously. Comparable to BSD jail or Solaris zones. Deprecated in Debian (BTS #574529); ask me about <lxc>, <kvm>, <xen>. http://wiki.debian.org/LinuxVserver . See also <virtualization>. |
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| 17:40.13 | gnarface | they're still supported in squeeze |
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| 17:40.23 | gnarface | after squeeze you'll have to patch the kernel yourself |
| 17:40.38 | gnarface | many would say this is desirable anyway because the patches directly from the site are always more up-to-date |
| 17:40.46 | gnarface | i haven't had any trouble with the debian native one though |
| 17:40.51 | gnarface | i've deployed it all over the place |
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| 17:41.38 | nyingen | Some package on my system can't be configured due to dkpg-maintscript-helper not existing |
| 17:41.41 | nyingen | how can I fix this? |
| 17:41.42 | laidback_01 | wow, wonder why they depreciated that. I've used OSOL Zones for sometime, and only recently FreeBSD Jails. They seem so incredibly useful. I must be kind of off base there. |
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| 17:41.56 | themill | nyingen: are you mixing releases? (or more precisely... what releases are you mixing?) |
| 17:42.24 | nyingen | god only knows |
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| 17:42.40 | nyingen | I use testing primarily, but pull packages from unstable occasionally when I need to |
| 17:42.46 | gnarface | laidback_01: lots of people consider the point of virtualization to be so you can run multiple operating systems. i'm with you though - i have to run servers for LAMP developers. this type of virtualization is ideal for that |
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| 17:44.05 | themill | nyingen: dpkg-maintscript-helper is in squeeze's dpkg, so you are presumably mixing packages from wheezy/sid into a lenny system. |
| 17:44.07 | gnarface | laidback_01: i suspect its mostly only being deprecated because of lack of resources upstream to maintain a bunch of debian-specific packaging stuff |
| 17:44.13 | nyingen | themill: I see |
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| 17:44.39 | laidback_01 | ah, fair enough |
| 17:44.40 | nyingen | is there any easy way to solve this? |
| 17:44.53 | themill | nyingen: what's the output of "apt-cache policy; apt-cache policy libc6 dpkg apt perl" |
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| 17:45.15 | little-tommy | is there a repository for sid packages so I can download a previous version, not the latest and not squeeze? |
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| 17:46.33 | themill | !sdo |
| 17:46.33 | dpkg | http://snapshot.debian.org/ is an archive of almost all Debian packages uploaded since 2005, including those removed from the official archives because they were very buggy, unusable, broken, vulnerable or in some way non-free. This service replaces the old http://snapshot.debian.net/ site that is no longer maintained. http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100412 |
| 17:46.53 | little-tommy | thanks! |
| 17:46.55 | somiaj | little-tommy: why would you want to do that? Either run squeeze or testing or unstable. |
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| 17:48.07 | nyingen | themill: http://paste.debian.net/158204/ |
| 17:48.33 | nyingen | hm, looks like there's some odd stuff in there |
| 17:48.48 | somiaj | little-tommy: don't need to message me, but yes snapshots are nice if you want to revert to a privious version. It was the newer than squeeze but older than testing/unstable I was warry about in your question. |
| 17:50.16 | little-tommy | just trying to isolate a change in a program's behavior. thanks. |
| 17:51.05 | somiaj | little-tommy: you know that older packages are cached in /var/cache/apt/archive (that is if you don't clean it out). Another useful place to find privious versions when dealing with buggy upgrades. |
| 17:51.11 | themill | nyingen: yes... you have a very interesting mixture of packages from a variety of distributions... your dpkg and apt are *older* than lenny's your perl is *older* than squeeze's... your libc6 is outdated for wheezy. |
| 17:51.36 | themill | dpkg: tell nyingen about unmixing |
| 17:51.42 | nyingen | themill: amazing everything worked so well until just now |
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| 17:52.02 | themill | I'm very very surprised, actually. |
| 17:52.14 | little-tommy | somiaj: I am getting forgetful... will check there. |
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| 17:52.44 | nyingen | themill: it comes of installing the system in 2007, then installing individual packages piecemeal with apt-get install |
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| 17:53.16 | nyingen | themill: From that message you sent me via dpkg, I think I'll probably try upgrading to testing |
| 17:53.18 | themill | and never running apt-get upgrade. |
| 17:53.21 | nyingen | right |
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| 17:53.35 | nyingen | themill: I had apt-get upgrade blow up in my face once a long time ago, and decided never to do it again |
| 17:53.52 | themill | nyingen: apt doesn't blow up if you don't mix releases... |
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| 17:54.01 | valdyn | nyingen: you probably mean dist-upgrade |
| 17:54.02 | nyingen | I've actually been using debian since 1996, so maybe things were less smooth then |
| 17:54.07 | themill | nyingen: you might want to "/msg dpkg lenny->squeeze" and "/msg dpkg squeeze->wheezy" |
| 17:54.15 | nyingen | ok, will do |
| 17:54.34 | nyingen | I should probably make a backup, just in case |
| 17:55.38 | nyingen | thanks for all the advice |
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| 17:56.01 | themill | yes. A backup would be quite sensible; you're in uncharted territory here. |
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| 17:59.25 | nyingen | my usual strategy is to rotate the hard drives and install fresh on the new one, then copy stuff from the old one, but alas this is a laptop |
| 17:59.31 | nyingen | maybe I can borrow an external hd |
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| 18:01.34 | bolt | is there a kind of reduced ssh server somewhere? like, one you can connect to without a username and password? the idea being to run a bash script on connection and not require any login. this is for internal use only. |
| 18:01.54 | wide_awake | ben1066, get the fireftp plugin for firefox for a "web" ftp client. for proftpd to keep users in their home dirs, you have to enable some "chroot" option IIRC |
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| 18:02.05 | themill | bolt: httpd? |
| 18:02.11 | wide_awake | bolt, or telnet |
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| 18:02.19 | ben1066 | wide_awake: its a remote server, I want the ability to dl files to it |
| 18:02.25 | ben1066 | from other ftp or http servers |
| 18:02.31 | bolt | wide_awake: exactly like telnet, actually. just over ssh |
| 18:02.34 | wide_awake | ben1066, wat |
| 18:02.46 | wide_awake | bolt, what does ssh get you without authentication? |
| 18:02.59 | bolt | wide_awake: encryption. and non-ancientness |
| 18:03.16 | bolt | wide_awake: not very much though |
| 18:03.20 | themill | encryption is important but authentication is not? |
| 18:03.22 | wide_awake | encryption is wasted if there's no auth |
| 18:03.32 | wide_awake | bolt, just set up public key authentication |
| 18:03.37 | wide_awake | best of both worlds |
| 18:04.45 | bolt | themill: it isn't really. but it wouldn't hurt. |
| 18:05.00 | bolt | themill: just wondered if something was available. if there isn't, i'll just go with telnet for this |
| 18:05.22 | themill | bolt: can you describe what you're actually going to do with this? It might help us... |
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| 18:06.45 | somiaj | seems chromium uses xdg-open for external applications, can't seem to figure out how to configure this (want to switch my pdf viewer from xpdf to evince) |
| 18:06.50 | bolt | themill: run a script that presents a menu with a few choices on it |
| 18:07.20 | themill | bolt: hmm... I take it the menu app is already written then? (This sounds exactly like a web form so far) |
| 18:07.38 | bolt | themill: it has been. that's why it's not a web form :) |
| 18:07.51 | themill | ajaxterm! |
| 18:08.00 | bolt | heh |
| 18:08.10 | somiaj | seems in order to set a defult application with xdg-mime default I need a .desktop file for that appliaction....are these created and put anywhere? |
| 18:08.18 | themill | that way you can even say "it's even a web2.0 thingy" |
| 18:08.28 | bolt | this is true! |
| 18:08.29 | bolt | hm... |
| 18:08.34 | thewanderer1 | or telnet, yeah... unleash your long-pursued BBS dream :P |
| 18:09.02 | themill | !linetest |
| 18:09.02 | dpkg | You are connected t&%&ibp*l an error free line, themill. |
| 18:09.22 | ben1066 | brb moving server |
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| 18:11.57 | chaser121 | quick question… I have wget installed, and it works just fine in terminal…. however, when used in a script and the script is run, it throws a "wget: command not found" error |
| 18:12.08 | chaser121 | is this cause its not finding wget, or theres something wrong with my wget line? |
| 18:12.17 | wide_awake | chaser121, you probably need to setup your path |
| 18:12.23 | wide_awake | or use absolute paths in your script |
| 18:12.28 | wide_awake | chaser121, lemme guess, running from cron? |
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| 18:16.06 | chaser121 | yes, from cron |
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| 18:19.07 | simonlnu | set your PATH ... |
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| 18:22.56 | chaser121 | simonlnu: thanks for the help. I set my path and sure enough, good to go now. |
| 18:23.06 | simonlnu | :) |
| 18:23.12 | chaser121 | some how was missing a directory ha. |
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| 18:23.47 | simonlnu | /usr/local/bin perhaps? :) |
| 18:24.15 | chaser121 | haha yup |
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| 18:25.20 | doug | i have a machine reporting x86-64 -- what download supports that? |
| 18:25.37 | doug | there's amd64, ia64, i386...not clear which of these would be the right choice. |
| 18:26.53 | simonlnu | amd64, i386 |
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| 18:28.15 | __name__ | why not amd64? |
| 18:28.32 | __name__ | it also runs on intels. |
| 18:29.04 | skamikaze | doug: http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/linux-how-to-find-if-processor-is-64-bit-or-not/ |
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| 18:29.58 | Iridos | he did say amd64, i386 |
| 18:30.12 | Iridos | which, to my mind, includes amd64 |
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| 18:32.07 | simonlnu | yes. that was an inclusive list. *list*, not or, not exclusive, a list. you know, like a shopping list? do you get just one item on it? no. |
| 18:32.43 | Iridos | thank you for the concise summary on shopping list |
| 18:32.44 | Iridos | :D |
| 18:34.29 | Iridos | s/list/lists/ |
| 18:34.52 | simonlnu | ;D |
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| 18:35.08 | __name__ | oh, i've only had 5 h of sleep |
| 18:35.18 | __name__ | nevermind me, my brain parsed the 'amd64' as the username |
| 18:35.28 | simonlnu | get more sleep then, you'll feel better :) |
| 18:35.34 | simonlnu | oh, haha |
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| 18:36.10 | __name__ | I don't like how it's called amd64, for the record. |
| 18:36.32 | gnarface | good, we did it that way just to piss you off |
| 18:36.48 | __name__ | gnarface, I like how much you care about me. |
| 18:36.56 | kabars_edge | ^bahahahahaha |
| 18:37.00 | __name__ | Everyone needs something to be mad about. |
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| 18:40.02 | Davo | Hey guys |
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| 18:40.34 | Davo | Dumvb question ... |
| 18:40.53 | Davo | How do I give "root" owner permissions on all files |
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| 18:41.16 | DanDare | Davo: man chown |
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| 18:41.32 | DanDare | Davo: chown -R root:root ./directory |
| 18:41.35 | DanDare | e.g. |
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| 18:42.18 | Davo | hey DanDare -- ;) |
| 18:42.37 | DanDare | Hello Davo :) |
| 18:42.38 | Davo | Will that give "root" rights throughout the whole system or just on those fuiles |
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| 18:42.42 | Davo | -u |
| 18:42.56 | DanDare | Davo, just on files directories you specify |
| 18:43.08 | Davo | nice one |
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| 18:43.37 | tremon | Davo: root already has access to all files |
| 18:43.37 | DanDare | Davo: note that giving root permissions for files can be a security issue |
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| 18:43.45 | DanDare | Yeah, that too :p |
| 18:43.50 | Davo | I thought so too ... |
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| 18:44.13 | DanDare | nvm about what I said about security issues |
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| 18:44.17 | DanDare | seems to be the contrary |
| 18:44.28 | Davo | but when I try to move or copy files when logged in as the first user, ie. with the root password, then I can't |
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| 18:44.47 | Davo | ie. root cannot apparently move or copy files from directory to directory |
| 18:44.56 | DanDare | Davo. root user name is "root" |
| 18:45.05 | DanDare | you know that, right ? |
| 18:45.10 | Davo | yep ... |
| 18:45.13 | DanDare | ok |
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| 18:45.34 | tremon | DanDare: well, you are correct that it's a security issue -- but it's also necessary to have at least one account that can administer/rescue the system |
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| 18:45.50 | DanDare | Davo, makes no sense. I think root might be able to copy/move files |
| 18:46.03 | DanDare | tremon, I see |
| 18:46.03 | tremon | Davo: try -f, or be more precise in what you're doing and what error message you get |
| 18:46.19 | Davo | How do I log in as "root" ... I'm currently logged in as the first used created on the system and this ID demands the "root" password? |
| 18:46.38 | DanDare | like moving a mounted partition. theres some stuff root cant do anyway |
| 18:46.40 | Davo | Does another "root" ID exist? |
| 18:47.12 | DanDare | Davo: whats you users login youre trying to copy/move ? |
| 18:47.34 | DanDare | Davo: user login name I mean |
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| 18:48.35 | Davo | On install a user was created that we called "diak" ... we're logged in as "diak" .... and "diak" appears to demand the "root" password so we assumed that "diak" was "root" |
| 18:48.39 | DanDare | Davo: When you install Debian, it asks for root password and asks for the creation of a regular user also. This regular user isnt root |
| 18:48.43 | Davo | Is this not the case? |
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| 18:49.11 | DanDare | Davo: diak isnt root. To be able to be root you must exit the shell and login as "root" |
| 18:49.13 | Davo | aha ... like on Ubuntu, GNUense, etc |
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| 18:49.38 | tremon | Davo: no, diak is a normal user. But certain actions require more privileges, hence why you're being asked the root password |
| 18:49.40 | DanDare | Davo: You can press CTRL+ALT+F2 to toggle to a second independent session |
| 18:50.01 | tremon | ...or just type su - in a terminal... |
| 18:50.04 | Davo | aha |
| 18:50.36 | DanDare | When Debian install itself it adds the first user to sudoers automatically, right ? |
| 18:50.49 | Davo | the terminal works but we want to login as "root" in the grahical interface .... |
| 18:51.03 | tremon | yes, but sudo isn't always installed (depends on your installation choices) |
| 18:51.09 | ParkerR | DanDare, No. login as root and run visudo |
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| 18:51.22 | tremon | Davo: never do that |
| 18:51.36 | Davo | Apparently I can't login as a user called root |
| 18:51.41 | ParkerR | tremo, Why not? |
| 18:51.49 | ParkerR | * tremon |
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| 18:52.05 | tremon | ParkerR: why not what? |
| 18:52.06 | cheako | Hello, I need to run a script on address change... whenever pppd reconnects. I put the script in the ifup.d folder and that works for bootup, but not when pppd reconnects. |
| 18:52.09 | DanDare | tremon, I would say never say never for someone learning deal with linux. Its also good ending to have to reinstall all the OS. Its time to learn |
| 18:52.17 | ParkerR | tremon, Why never login as root? |
| 18:52.41 | cheako | The script connects to a webserver to update my IPv6 tunnel endpoint. |
| 18:52.47 | Davo | I know the risks involved when loggin in as "root" in the GUI and I want to do it |
| 18:53.16 | DanDare | Davo: try the command: su killall xdm |
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| 18:53.30 | DanDare | Its xdm the debian default? o.O |
| 18:53.33 | valdyn | DanDare: that command does not work |
| 18:53.36 | tremon | ParkerR: because you shouldn't trust every executable on your system |
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| 18:53.58 | DanDare | valdyn, how to do it ? |
| 18:54.03 | kallisti | so I guess I'll use iceweasel until I figure out what's wrong with HTML5 video. |
| 18:54.05 | valdyn | DanDare: how to do what? |
| 18:54.18 | ParkerR | tremon, Ok. I can see where that could be a problem. I did a debian netinstall so I know whats here XD |
| 18:54.19 | DanDare | valdyn, to make my command work |
| 18:54.27 | valdyn | DanDare: what is it supposed to do? |
| 18:54.30 | kallisti | also no PDF viewer in chrome either. |
| 18:54.48 | DanDare | valdyn, nvm, that sounds stupid anyway |
| 18:54.52 | ParkerR | kallisti, Chromium doesnt have the pdf viewer, Chrome does |
| 18:54.54 | Davo | In Ubuntu .... its the same situation ... you hav to go in to the Terminal mode and issue an instruction that activates the "root" logon as a GUI logon .. |
| 18:55.04 | DanDare | Davo: Try restart session on the X window manager youre using |
| 18:55.06 | Davo | Where is that in Debian .. |
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| 18:56.26 | DanDare | valdyn: "sudo killall xdm" sounds to be a working command line ? |
| 18:56.39 | kallisti | ParkerR: I'm using what is installed from the google-chrom deb provided by google chrome's website... so, probably google chrome. |
| 18:56.45 | kallisti | *google-chrome |
| 18:57.08 | DanDare | Im not even used to xdm .... |
| 18:57.27 | DanDare | killing xdm would not even kill the X session |
| 18:57.51 | ParkerR | kallisti, Huh weird. PDF works in that for me |
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| 18:58.10 | kallisti | ParkerR: oh, hm, nevermind. yes pdfs work fine. |
| 18:58.15 | ParkerR | Hehe |
| 18:58.16 | kallisti | it was on a particular site that it wasn't working correctly. |
| 18:58.24 | kallisti | it may not have been the default pdf viewer. |
| 18:58.38 | kallisti | and some kind of on-site viewer. |
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| 18:59.05 | kallisti | it complains about a "missing plugin" |
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| 19:12.17 | cardamon | Just a list of things saying "You don't really need this if you don't plan to do this." |
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| 19:12.21 | Davo | [19:41] <DanDare> Davo: chown -R root:root ./directory ( instead root:root i used my own username diak:diak - and that worked fine .... thx) |
| 19:12.58 | DanDare | Davo, yeah. To change permission to root, you must be logged as root |
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| 19:13.28 | doug | ok, so i get x86_64 reported from this machine... |
| 19:13.41 | doug | it's on an embedded box, and i want to compile some new binaries for it on another machine. |
| 19:13.48 | doug | i've got an imac for that w/virtualbox. |
| 19:13.57 | doug | i just need to figure out which distribution to install |
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| 19:14.14 | doug | the 32-bit one i've got going doesn't seem to produce binaries that this box understands |
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| 19:20.16 | seanh | Hey can anyone help me figure out why postgresql isn't running? I've done `sudo apt-get install postgresql` no problem, but if I try to do e.g. `sudo -u postgres psql -l` I get "psql: could not connect to server: No such file or directory" |
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| 19:23.33 | tremon | doug: the magic word is cross-compile, and it's not easy. Just compile it on the "embedded" box, if it's a 64bit processor it should be able to handle some compilation |
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| 19:25.16 | tremon | seanh: check /var/log/daemon.log |
| 19:26.15 | seanh | tremon: nothing about postgres in there |
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| 19:28.19 | doug | tremon: that'd take installing a compilation environment onto a machine with a 2G SD card |
| 19:28.47 | tremon | seanh: which postgres version is installed? |
| 19:28.49 | doug | as it's primary storage, that is. |
| 19:28.53 | doug | its even. |
| 19:29.20 | seanh | tremon: postgresql-8.4 |
| 19:29.20 | doug | is x86_64 handled by the same distro as amd64? |
| 19:29.33 | tremon | doug: yes that's the same |
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| 19:30.06 | doug | cool, thanks. |
| 19:30.23 | Skurken | Whenever I try to run a "apt-get install [package]" I get a error saying "Unable to fetch archive". I get this error when both trying to install gcc and sqlite... Does anybody know how to fix this? |
| 19:31.14 | levi501d | make sure the dist version in your sources.list is correct |
| 19:31.33 | tremon | seanh: is it even running then? service postgresql status? |
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| 19:31.56 | seanh | tremon: postgresql: unrecognized service |
| 19:32.07 | seanh | tremon: No I don't think it is running. But why not? |
| 19:32.36 | Skurken | levi501d: I also get an error saying unable to connect to my packages-sources-site (whatever its called) ftp~ |
| 19:33.35 | levi501d | skurken: are you sure your using the correct url? it sounds like you have an incorrect url to the package maintainer |
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| 19:33.50 | tremon | seanh: does /etc/init.d/postgresql exist? |
| 19:34.02 | levi501d | dont use ftp, use http |
| 19:34.35 | Skurken | im using the one i selected when installing (debian 6 squeeze) |
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| 19:34.52 | seanh | tremon: No, but /etc/init.d/postgresql-8.4 does |
| 19:34.53 | levi501d | did you do a dist upgrade? |
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| 19:35.41 | Skurken | levi501d: how? :P |
| 19:35.46 | Skurken | ..that would be a no |
| 19:35.50 | levi501d | arrr |
| 19:35.53 | nand` | How do I set up ftpd-ssl? |
| 19:35.55 | tremon | seanh: then how about service /etc/init.d/postgresql-8.4 start? |
| 19:35.57 | nand` | I can't seem to find adequate information on this |
| 19:36.20 | nand` | Doesn't it have a home page or something? |
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| 19:37.16 | seanh | tremon: unrecognized service |
| 19:37.41 | levi501d | change to a different mirror |
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| 19:38.11 | tremon | ah yes, it's either /etc/init.d/postgresql-8.4 start or service postgresql-8.4 start |
| 19:38.31 | levi501d | a fast way to change to different mirror: sed 's/us\.archive\.ubuntu\.com/mirror.math.ucdavis.edu/g' /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 19:40.03 | seanh | tremon: Ok, service postgresql-8.4 start finishes with no output, as does service postgresql-8.4 status, and psql still can't connect |
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| 19:40.23 | levi501d | oh yeah or try netselect-apt that will also find the fastest mirrors |
| 19:41.06 | tremon | seanh: you need to trace the initscript (sh -x) and see where it is failing |
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| 19:43.49 | seanh | tremon: I don't know how to do that. This ain't normal. right? apt-get install postgresql should install and start the service. This is a VM we're talking about, so I'm thinking of starting over with a fresh one, to sanity check it |
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| 19:50.44 | gnat_x | i'm setting up a drive for backing up my main drive, to and then with the space left, i want to have space for random storage, and free space for future vm use. my question is, i want to luks encrypt them, but have a few questions about doing that... mainly about smart partitioniong schemes. |
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| 19:51.54 | gnat_x | mainly, if i encrypt lets say the last quarter of the drive, can i change that crypto drive to something a windows machine could read (for example, not that i need that now) |
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| 19:52.26 | gnat_x | essentially i want some flexibility of future use, and also as much encrypted as i can. |
| 19:52.43 | gnat_x | should i just make a bunch of physical partitions? |
| 19:53.42 | gnat_x | also, since this is a usb drive that will get removed, if i put it in lvm, in its own vg, will that just confuse lvm to have physical devices showing up and disappearing as well as volume groups? |
| 19:55.18 | aarkerio | hi! I am trying Gnome Shell for first time, but gnome-tweak-tool shows "Shell theme" disabled |
| 19:55.29 | aarkerio | a yellow icon shows too |
| 19:56.11 | aarkerio | I installed other extensions succesfully |
| 19:56.55 | aarkerio | need I change THEME_EXT_NAME in some python file? |
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| 20:15.36 | salamander_ | is there anybody out there? |
| 20:16.16 | streuner | Do you listen to many Pink Floyd songs? |
| 20:16.41 | streuner | !ask |
| 20:16.42 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 20:16.58 | salamander_ | mhhh, I like pink floyd |
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| 20:17.11 | salamander_ | but I really need someone there now =) |
| 20:17.51 | streuner | so just ask, if someone knows, s(he) is might able to help |
| 20:17.51 | seanh | tremon: This worked except I can't figure out how to make it run automatically as a service http://blog.crowdint.com/2011/08/11/postgresql-in-vagrant.html |
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| 20:18.11 | salamander_ | I dont know what fglrx install to get my ati radeon 9700 to work |
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| 20:20.12 | trysten | if you're having card problems i feel bad for you son, i got 99 |
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| 20:20.19 | trysten | problems and a hitch ain't one |
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| 20:21.22 | trysten | ok, that was dumb. |
| 20:21.25 | XeCrypt | good evening |
| 20:21.57 | salamander_ | good evening |
| 20:21.58 | trysten | what i normally do is get the [evening, sir] fglrx installer from nvidia. (they provide a self extracting source package) |
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| 20:22.28 | trysten | and use that, salamander_, it will build a module for your kernel that has the fglrx driver in it. and install the catalyst control center |
| 20:22.32 | nkuttler | !tell salamander_ about fglrx |
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| 20:22.54 | JurassicJon | ok, here is a question for you guys, if i setup debian on a 8GB usb key and have the home partition on a 80GB hard drive, will that be sufficient for a server? |
| 20:23.13 | dorong | I've created a RAID10 array using mdadm on /dev/md0 and haven't created a filesystem from it (nor an lvm volume over it) before I restarted the machine (ubuntu 11.10), and after the restart the device was name /dev/md127 instead of the /dev/md0 it was created as. |
| 20:23.21 | JurassicJon | I'm assuming so if i store the large stuff on the 80GB drive |
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| 20:24.38 | nkuttler | JurassicJon: not sure why you'd use an usb key for /, but 8G is plenty of space. you might want more though for /usr/ or /var/ |
| 20:25.01 | trysten | you'll have to be more specific about 'sufficiency'. there have been webservers running inside human beings |
| 20:25.23 | JurassicJon | kk, thanks nkuttler |
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| 20:29.26 | XeCrypt | Got a big problem which I am unable to solve so far: Building a linux-image powerpc deb-pkg (which is configured for PPC64 and has to stay like that) but I would like to set the output format to elf32-powerpc.. as that's needed by my system: am attempting to do that via make-kpkg, here you can see which way I tried: http://pastebin.com/Szf4hcrB |
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| 20:31.12 | Pwdrkeg | Hello... trying to run the setup of a program that loads a new kernel module, but I get the following error "Checking for Kernel Header : ls: cannot access /lib/modules/2.6.26-2-amd64/build: No such file or directory' I'm not quite sure what that means. Could anyone help? |
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| 20:31.36 | XeCrypt | Pwdrkeg, you are missing the kernel modules most likely |
| 20:31.59 | XeCrypt | did you compile the kernel by yourself? |
| 20:32.01 | dondelelcaro | XeCrypt: um... that doesn't really make sense. |
| 20:32.05 | Pwdrkeg | no |
| 20:32.25 | dondelelcaro | Pwdrkeg: which kernel module do you need? If it's already packaged, use m-a or similar. |
| 20:32.35 | Pwdrkeg | it's a custom module |
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| 20:33.33 | dondelelcaro | XeCrypt: surely the kernel should be 64 bit even if the architecture of the package is 32 bit. |
| 20:34.04 | trysten | yeah XeCrypt have you tried just running the kernel anyways to see if it works? |
| 20:34.32 | dondelelcaro | (but then again, I don't have any ppc64 stuff, so what do I know..) |
| 20:34.35 | XeCrypt | yes, as the kernel patch (which I forgot to mention) wants PPC64 set.. otherway all the custom options dont get applied.. and I would like to keep the KCONFIG stuff like it is |
| 20:34.51 | seanh | Hey, anyone know how I can make postgres run as a service? It's working if I su to postgres user and run postgres command |
| 20:35.31 | XeCrypt | trysten, yes, our custom bootloader does not support ELF64... sure, its not the proper way to continue using ELF32 just because the ELF64 isnt implemented yet... but thats too much work for now |
| 20:35.41 | dondelelcaro | seanh: there's already an initscript |
| 20:35.53 | seanh | dondelelcaro: Yeah but it doesn't work |
| 20:35.53 | XeCrypt | so it seems that producing an ELF32 output is easier for now |
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| 20:36.01 | seanh | dondelelcaro: nothing happens |
| 20:36.18 | dondelelcaro | seanh: if you have a cluster set up to start automatically, it will start it. |
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| 20:37.35 | XeCrypt | so basicly: is there an option to force the output-type to elf32-powerpc? Didnt find something useful about it.. elf32-powerpc only gets mentioned regarding kdump |
| 20:37.55 | seanh | dondelelcaro: The problem is that "sudo /etc/init.d/postgresql-8.4 start" doesn't start postgres, it's wrong |
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| 20:38.50 | seanh | dondelelcaro: But if I change to the postgres user and just run "postgres" then it works |
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| 20:41.03 | XeCrypt | https://raw.github.com/Free60Project/linux-kernel-xbox360/master/xenon_config here's the kernel config btw |
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| 20:42.13 | dondelelcaro | seanh: however, if you've set up the database by some other means, then you'll have to configure it manually, or otherwise set up the configuration files properly. |
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| 20:42.55 | LtL | jhutchins_wk_: irssi does, others may. e.g., /ignore #debian joins parts quits |
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| 20:43.54 | dondelelcaro | seanh: and it should be /etc/init.d/postgresql |
| 20:44.23 | seanh | dondelelcaro: I did apt-get install postgresql, but something's wrong with it, service doesn't work |
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| 20:44.39 | dondelelcaro | seanh: did you create a cluster? |
| 20:44.57 | dondelelcaro | seanh: what does pg_lsclusters output? |
| 20:44.58 | seanh | dondelelcaro: I don't know what a cluster is |
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| 20:45.15 | dondelelcaro | seanh: man pg_createcluster |
| 20:45.22 | seanh | dondelelcaro: looks like no clusters |
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| 20:51.03 | seanh | dondelelcaro: That worked, thanks |
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| 20:53.02 | Wizard | o/ |
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| 20:55.17 | karlpinc | seanh: The readme.debian for postgres is also useful. |
| 20:55.22 | karlpinc | !tell seanh about readme.debian |
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| 21:16.07 | zleslie | Yesterday, I was instructed to build a backport for a package instead of mixing releases. |
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| 21:16.58 | zleslie | I am trying to build a source package, the dpkg instructions that I was pointed at mention adding a source line, the apt-get build-dep cannot find a good version of the -dev pacakge |
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| 21:17.45 | kevlarman | zleslie: did you apt-get update after adding the source line? |
| 21:17.55 | zleslie | yup |
| 21:18.13 | zleslie | aptitude works around it for some reason |
| 21:18.23 | zleslie | I am skeptical. I will try building the pacakge |
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| 21:19.39 | zleslie | Build command 'cd mod-gearman-1.2.2 && dpkg-buildpackage -b -uc' failed. |
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| 21:20.59 | zleslie | http://pastie.org/3499377 |
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| 21:21.46 | zleslie | Wonderful. So the advice not to mix releases and I should be building a backport means that I have to mix releases in order to build a backport |
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| 21:25.19 | cardamon | Using the Squeeze netinst image, but trying to minimize things. Looks like the installer put Gnome on, but I wanted to avoid that. |
| 21:25.52 | zleslie | netinst doesn't keep d-i from pulling gnome from the nets |
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| 21:26.20 | ralxc | hey guys, I'm having trouble configuring WPA2 in debian |
| 21:26.26 | ralxc | can anyone give me some hints |
| 21:26.30 | ralxc | ? |
| 21:26.31 | zleslie | read the docs |
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| 21:29.34 | arnold-f | is now away: Currently not online. I'll read your message next time I'm here. |
| 21:30.01 | streuner | !tell arnold-f about away |
| 21:30.02 | cardamon | Brb. I'm gonna shove myself inside a screen so I can access this from remote. |
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| 21:30.28 | mrbojangles3 | hi all, I am running dpkg-buildpackage and it is giving me errors on creating a symbolic link. this is the line that it complaining on: |
| 21:30.30 | mrbojangles3 | cp -s driver/* debian/$(psource)/usr/src/modules/$(sname) |
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| 21:31.49 | arnold-f | fixed |
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| 21:33.03 | arnoldB | is now away: Currently not online. I'll read your message next time I'm here. |
| 21:33.16 | arnold-f | hm |
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| 21:33.54 | streuner | arnold-f: thats call you fixed? well, you are a real specialist then |
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| 21:35.20 | seanh | How to install PostgreSQL on an Ubuntu 10.04 Vagrant box https://gist.github.com/1953367 |
| 21:35.35 | streuner | seanh: /msg dpkg ubuntu |
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| 21:37.18 | Arrick | hey all, I tried to run ifconfig to get my ip address on a console install, but no such animal, how do I look at my ip address? |
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| 21:37.57 | Arrick | got it, thanks though |
| 21:38.09 | streuner | !what's my IP |
| 21:38.10 | dpkg | To get your IP address: /sbin/ifconfig -a | grep "inet addr" | sed -e 's/^.*inet addr://' -e 's/ .*$//', or /sbin/ifconfig -a | awk '/inet addr:/{sub("addr:","");print $2}', or hostname -i, or "ip a s eth0 | grep inet | cut -d' ' -f6", or /sbin/ifconfig eth0|perl -ne 'if /addr:s*d+.\d+\.\d+\.\d+/ {print qq|$1n|}', or wget -O- checkip.dyndns.org 2>/dev/null|perl -pe 's/.+Address:\ [\d\.]+<.+/$1/;' |
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| 21:42.03 | qwd | cardamon: at the end of the installation you shouldn't check the "Desktop" option unless you want Gnome. |
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| 21:44.09 | Arrick | hey all, I have a need for Apache, MySQL and PHP to be running on my server, and apache2 is already installed. what command do i want to run to get the other 2 running and to play well together? |
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| 21:48.23 | Sebboh | Hola. How do I replace /usr/lib/package/foo.txt with the original version, now that I have foolishly modified it? :) |
| 21:49.50 | Sebboh | Actually, the file is /etc/xdg/awesome/rc.lua, but who's counting? |
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| 21:50.44 | streuner | maybe reinstall awesome helps? |
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| 21:52.57 | Sebboh | streuner: I'm sure. |
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| 21:57.48 | Sebboh | Some forum post suggested that I use something like: sudo dpkg --force-confmiss -i /var/cache/apt/archives/awesome_3.4.11-2_i386.deb ... which worked! Before running the command, I moved my modfied file out of the way. |
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| 22:03.01 | bicchi | I am looking to do a cronjob to update servers automatically. The problem is that I get a package that when it updates it prompts me to select Yes to continue. I have tried using the -y parameter but this seems to be like an ncurses menu. Is there a way to select Yes / No on these menus? |
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| 22:03.24 | bicchi | for example boxes like these where I want to auto select a specific option http://members.iinet.net.au/~herman546/p2.3/3_.025.1_.png |
| 22:04.23 | chogath | howdy |
| 22:05.01 | chogath | how would i configure vsftpd to enforce ssl and deny deleting uploaded files on specific users only? |
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| 22:08.00 | Sebboh | bicchi, fortunately, you're not the first person to face these problems. Some people have written software for this.. You don't have to create your own solution from scratch. |
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| 22:09.40 | Arrick | I seem to have broken my webserver... how do I get it to display the output of php instead of displaying the text file? |
| 22:10.09 | Arrick | I have apache2, mysql-server-5.1 and php5 installed |
| 22:10.26 | Sebboh | bicchi: I searched the package list and found a package called cron-apt. Please check if it meets your needs. |
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| 22:10.41 | themill | Arrick: please retest this with wget or curl or similar |
| 22:10.53 | Arrick | retest what? |
| 22:10.53 | themill | (i.e. with something other than your browser) |
| 22:12.32 | Sebboh | bicchi: (I just used apt-cache search automatic package update .. this showed me cron-apt, which I'd never heard of before. I think there is a way to steal Ubuntu's auto-update thing, too, which probably has more features.) |
| 22:13.40 | bicchi | Sebboh: Will onto those packages. I am basically interest on having a way to answer those ncurses menus with either yes or no since -y doesn't seem to work. |
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| 22:18.14 | Arrick | anyone here running instamessenger? |
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| 22:25.11 | M4dH4TT3r | hey everyone |
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| 22:25.49 | M4dH4TT3r | im wondering if someone can help me remember a command thats kinda like ls but lists all your devs |
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| 22:27.07 | M4dH4TT3r | anyone? |
| 22:27.13 | ralxc | hi, I just installed debian on my computer, but my sound doesnt work. I have tried alsactl init but it still doesnt give sound |
| 22:27.23 | ralxc | it worked on my previous distribution: slackware |
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| 22:27.41 | M4dH4TT3r | i keep wanting to say chmod but that of course isnt it |
| 22:27.56 | streuner | ralxc: whats your chipset (lspci -nn)? |
| 22:28.02 | karlpinc | M4dH4TT3r: ls /dev |
| 22:28.16 | M4dH4TT3r | i think it starts with a c |
| 22:28.28 | M4dH4TT3r | its no ls |
| 22:28.37 | M4dH4TT3r | its something else |
| 22:28.39 | karlpinc | M4dH4TT3r: What's a "devs"? |
| 22:28.54 | ralxc | http://pastebin.com/qpxh6NjF |
| 22:28.55 | M4dH4TT3r | devices |
| 22:29.17 | karlpinc | M4dH4TT3r: Then "ls /dev/" is it. It lists all your devices. |
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| 22:30.04 | ralxc | somehow it lists 2: one from intel other from nvidia? |
| 22:30.08 | M4dH4TT3r | no but it was like that in the way that it lists |
| 22:30.32 | ralxc | alsamixer says that the nvidia one doesn't have any controls |
| 22:30.35 | streuner | ralxc: its intel, it should supported by ALSA |
| 22:30.46 | karlpinc | M4dH4TT3r: Try the apropos command. |
| 22:30.50 | streuner | judd, pciid 8086:3a3e |
| 22:30.52 | judd | [8086:3a3e] is '82801JI (ICH10 Family) HD Audio Controller' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'ata_generic', 'snd-hda-intel' in squeeze. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:3a3e and the out-of-tree 'snd-hda-intel' module. |
| 22:31.10 | streuner | ralxc: if not, just try OSS4 |
| 22:31.26 | ralxc | how? |
| 22:31.29 | ralxc | apt-get? |
| 22:32.09 | streuner | ralxc: make sure you have the kernel-headers installed, and install 0SS4 packages |
| 22:32.30 | streuner | !dpkg, oss4 |
| 22:32.31 | dpkg | [oss4] Open Sound System is a cross-platform set of device drivers providing a standard audio API for Unix systems. OSS/Free was in the 2.2 and 2.4 series of Linux kernels, with OSS/Linux remaining proprietary, replaced by <ALSA> in Linux 2.6. Open Sound System v4.0 was made available under the GPLv2 in July 2007, packaged since Debian Squeeze. http://www.opensound.com/ #oss on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 22:32.59 | tonsofpcs | hey, fresh install of 6.0.4, trying to set auto-login for a user after 15 seconds but it isn't working (it just sits there waiting for a password), any idea how to make it work? |
| 22:33.00 | streuner | ralxc: apt-cache search OSS4 |
| 22:33.08 | tonsofpcs | ('desktop' was selected at install) |
| 22:33.31 | ralxc | root@torre:/etc/modprobe.d# apt-cache search oss4 |
| 22:33.31 | ralxc | oss4-base - Open Sound System - base package |
| 22:33.31 | ralxc | oss4-dev - Open Sound System - development files |
| 22:33.31 | ralxc | oss4-dkms - Open Sound System - DKMS module sources |
| 22:33.31 | ralxc | oss4-gtk - Open Sound System - simple GTK2-based mixer control |
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| 22:33.53 | M4dH4TT3r | no the command im looking for lists detailed info on all connected devices |
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| 22:34.09 | streuner | ralxc: apt-get install oss4-base oss4-dkms should be enough |
| 22:34.22 | M4dH4TT3r | when i was using it last it was for a usb dev |
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| 22:34.37 | M4dH4TT3r | it might start with a n |
| 22:34.47 | pozic | Is there a way I can display multiple directories as one? |
| 22:34.50 | M4dH4TT3r | c or n |
| 22:34.56 | M4dH4TT3r | i think c though |
| 22:34.58 | ralxc | how?do i need to reboot or something? |
| 22:35.09 | M4dH4TT3r | power button |
| 22:35.15 | M4dH4TT3r | common error |
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| 22:35.53 | streuner | ralxc: that might help, specially if the ALSA modules are still loaded... |
| 22:36.16 | ralxc | ok, thanks, I will try that now...let's hope I don't come back here |
| 22:36.17 | ralxc | lol |
| 22:37.08 | M4dH4TT3r | XD |
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| 22:47.38 | bicchi | Sebboh: I found what I was looking for with doing this first: export DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive and then doing the upgrades. |
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| 22:56.59 | blumenkraft | I have an MTP device that is being a pain with file management. I've tried gMTP and now mtpfs (mounting with FUSE) and while I like the latter better, I still can't do things like move folders around on the MTP device if they have any data in them |
| 22:57.24 | blumenkraft | and when I copy folders with graphical file manager over to the MTP mounted folder, I get permission errors every file (even though it often ends up copying!!) |
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| 22:58.59 | streuner | blumenkraft: /msg dpkg permissions |
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| 23:00.27 | Siphion | hi, i was trying "test --help" in xterm. Nothing happened. So i did "man test" and it say that option "--help" exist. -.-' how i can launch "test" with --help or --version options? |
| 23:01.14 | themill | Siphion: when you're running "test" you're running the shell builtin; try "type test" and "help test" |
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| 23:01.52 | Siphion | k, but in man test it say that "--help" is a test option :S |
| 23:02.09 | themill | Siphion: man test is documenting a different program |
| 23:02.37 | Siphion | ah men! D: sorry, thanks themill |
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| 23:03.18 | themill | Siphion: you should also note in "man test" that it tells you that test(1) does not honour --help either. |
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| 23:04.44 | streuner | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:05.15 | streuner | keep in mind, switzerland is pretty expentisive |
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| 23:07.11 | Free_Bullets | anyone have any ideas why raid-0 only yields a 30% performance improvement for these disks? each disk gets 100 MB/s on its own, but the raid array only gets 130 MB/s. |
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| 23:08.15 | Jayro | Hello, I just installed debian testing. Iam trying to boot and it is just sitting at "waiting for /dev to be fully populated". Can anyone help me? |
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| 23:08.47 | streuner | Jayro: so you are using a beta installer of Debian? |
| 23:09.02 | Jayro | straterra, I beleive so yes. |
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| 23:09.27 | streuner | Jayro: just use a stable installer and upgrade to testing, less headaches |
| 23:09.58 | Jayro | straterra, alright. Once I have stable installed, how do i go about upgrading? |
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| 23:10.19 | streuner | Jayro: /msg dpkg stable->testing |
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| 23:10.39 | Jayro | streuner, thanks. |
| 23:10.43 | blumenkraft | streuner: I am already educated about how permissions works |
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| 23:11.11 | blumenkraft | The reason why I ask here is because each file/folder is already 777, or rwxrwxrwx |
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| 23:11.24 | blumenkraft | Whenever I copy something to the MPT device, it autochanges perms to 777 |
| 23:11.29 | lelu | is there anywhere i can get some help working with rddtools? |
| 23:11.43 | Jayro | streuner, will upgrading that way give me a newer kernel? |
| 23:12.12 | streuner | Jayro: why do you need a new kernel? |
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| 23:12.18 | daniel__ | I'm trying to run a memory intensive process. It exits, throwing std::bad_alloc. However, I have 7GB of memory free according to "free -m". ulimit's man page does not indicate that the version of ulimit I am using is able to limit program memory usage. Is there anything I can do? |
| 23:12.46 | Jayro | streuner, i have an nvidea 550 gtx ti, last time i tried stable i was told my kernel was tooold. |
| 23:12.47 | rtjure | Arrick it should be easy. |
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| 23:13.40 | abrotman | daniel__: have you tried to google that error to see what it actually means ? |
| 23:13.49 | streuner | Jayro: in my knowledge, kernels arent the reason to solve X questions. |
| 23:14.00 | daniel__ | abrotman: Yes. I gather it is an out-of-memory error. |
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| 23:14.25 | abrotman | daniel__: what is your OS architecture ? |
| 23:14.26 | Jayro | streuner, well, Thank you for answering my questions. I will give it a go. |
| 23:14.44 | daniel__ | abrotman: amd64 |
| 23:14.59 | abrotman | daniel__: okay, so it's not a per process limit |
| 23:15.12 | abrotman | daniel__: is there possible another error, like bad code? |
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| 23:15.31 | daniel__ | abrotman: Perhaps. What type of bad code do you mean? |
| 23:16.06 | abrotman | daniel__: just a programming error .. |
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| 23:17.26 | daniel__ | abrotman: Perhaps. What type of programming error can cause this other than using too much memory? |
| 23:17.58 | abrotman | daniel__: i have no idea what the app is |
| 23:18.39 | daniel__ | abrotman: custom app (ty for your help, by the way) |
| 23:19.53 | abrotman | daniel__: have you tried it on another system ? |
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| 23:20.17 | rtjure | Free_Bullets: Maybe a pci raid controller? |
| 23:20.26 | daniel__ | abrotman: I have not; I don't have access to another system today. Would you recommend that? |
| 23:20.40 | abrotman | daniel__: i would at least try it |
| 23:20.44 | Free_Bullets | rtjure: is that a suggestion or a question? it's on a built in sata controller |
| 23:21.24 | abrotman | Free_Bullets: is the controller a hardware raid or swraid ? |
| 23:21.28 | abrotman | Free_Bullets: or a fakeraid ? |
| 23:21.37 | Free_Bullets | abrotman: software mdadm |
| 23:21.57 | daniel__ | abrotman: sounds reasonable. Thanks again for lending your expertise. |
| 23:22.13 | abrotman | daniel__: i didn't help much .. if you trust the programming, trying on another box is a good test |
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| 23:22.26 | abrotman | daniel__: and/or, ask the language channel you wrote it in like ##c or ##java |
| 23:23.12 | rtjure | Free_Bullets: question. 130 is like the max over pci. some onboard controllers are connected to pci. |
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| 23:23.54 | Free_Bullets | rtjure: it's possible. it's an old motherboard that wasn't the best even in its time |
| 23:24.44 | abrotman | Free_Bullets: how old is old ? |
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| 23:27.08 | rtjure | Free_Bullets: you might find that info in the mobo's manual or in the documentation of the chipset. |
| 23:27.41 | Free_Bullets | rtjure: any idea what to look for if i have the chipset name? |
| 23:28.09 | abrotman | Free_Bullets: you can't crack the case? |
| 23:28.23 | abrotman | !tell Free_Bullets about whats my hardware |
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| 23:29.06 | Free_Bullets | abrotman: i said i had the chipset name |
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| 23:34.23 | rtjure | Free_Bullets: You can google and read or tell and maybe we know... |
| 23:35.03 | abrotman | Free_Bullets: chipset is'nt really the same as the mobo model .. but anyway .. how old is old? |
| 23:35.07 | Free_Bullets | rtjure: i am. i'm not really expecting an answer atm. |
| 23:35.48 | Free_Bullets | abrotman: maybe 7 years? |
| 23:36.11 | abrotman | oh, hrm |
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| 23:43.00 | Jayro | streuner, hey again, I am all upgraded. However it did install a new kernel. I would like to use it but it is still sitting at "Waiting for /dev to be fully propagated". |
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| 23:45.29 | Jayro | hey again, I am all upgraded. However it did install a new kernel. I would like to use it but it is still sitting at "Waiting for /dev to be fully propagated". |
| 23:45.31 | Jayro | anyone? |
| 23:46.23 | qwd | !patience |
| 23:46.23 | dpkg | The people here are volunteers, your attitude should reflect that. Answers are not always available. |
| 23:46.31 | abrotman | it should take about five seconds max |
| 23:46.41 | abrotman | Jayro: did you try to reboot the system again? |
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| 23:47.03 | Jayro | abrotman, yes I did. It seems to be an issue with udev and 3.2.x |
| 23:47.15 | abrotman | Jayro: in sid or wheezy? |
| 23:47.38 | Jayro | abrotman, i installed stable, then did an upgrade to wheezy |
| 23:47.57 | abrotman | Jayro: i have wheezy, it works fine |
| 23:48.25 | Jayro | abrotman, then it is something specific to my system, any idea what would cause it to just sit there? |
| 23:48.39 | abrotman | Jayro: or you're not as fully upgraded as you think |
| 23:49.06 | Jayro | abrotman, perhaps. What could be missing? |
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| 23:51.06 | abrotman | Jayro: god only knows with udev |
| 23:51.16 | abrotman | Jayro: have you tried booting "init=/bin/bash" ? |
| 23:52.08 | Jayro | abrotman, how would i go about doing that? |
| 23:52.52 | abrotman | Jayro: edit the grub entry for the kernel you boot |
| 23:53.03 | Free_Bullets | abrotman and rtjure: thanks for the help and advice |
| 23:53.38 | Jayro | abrotman, where is the grub conf located? |
| 23:54.17 | abrotman | Jayro: when you boot the system, it has options .. you can hit 'e' to edit the kernel line |
| 23:54.27 | Jayro | oh, ok. |
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| 23:55.08 | rtjure | Free_Bullets: You're welcome, good luck! |
| 23:55.54 | Jayro | abrotman, just add that line? or replace initrd? |
| 23:56.15 | Jayflux | Hey all! |
| 23:56.27 | abrotman | Jayro: i didn't say anything about initrd ... you append it to that kernel line .. all the way at the end |
| 23:56.35 | Jayflux | bit of a newbie question, how do i give a user root status so i can ditch using root? |
| 23:56.45 | abrotman | !tell Jayro about sudo |
| 23:57.19 | Jayro | abrotman, i know how to use sudo.. i need to boot first... let me add that line. |
| 23:58.37 | Jayro | abrotman, alright. I have a root shell on the new kernel |
| 23:58.41 | Iridos | ENICK |
| 23:59.09 | abrotman | Jayro: sorry, wasn't for you |
| 23:59.12 | abrotman | !tell Jayflux about sudo |
| 23:59.21 | abrotman | Jayro: can you start udev now ? |
| 23:59.37 | Iridos | abrotman, Jay, you did it :P |
| 23:59.55 | Jayro | abrotman, udev requires a mounted procfs, not started ... failed! |
