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| 00:00.12 | abrotman | Jayro: mount -o rw,remount / |
| 00:00.15 | abrotman | Jayro: mount -a |
| 00:00.18 | abrotman | Jayro: then try again |
| 00:00.55 | Jayro | abrotman, got a warning on mount -a, "failed to read mtab" |
| 00:01.22 | Jayro | abrotman, and I am getting the same udev failure to start, but its complaining about sysfs |
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| 00:03.16 | trysten | !word trysten |
| 00:03.16 | dpkg | trysten: Word to your mutha! |
| 00:04.16 | Iridos | what? |
| 00:04.23 | chaser12 | i have formated and partitioned an external usb drive through fdisk and mkfs.ext3 and when i mount as ext3 it tells me wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock etc… any idea what the problem would be or how i tackle it? |
| 00:05.26 | trysten | chaser12: let mount auto-detect the fs-type. open the block in cfdisk and see if it checks out (it's a more newbie tool) |
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| 00:05.47 | abrotman | Jayro: does your network work at this point ? |
| 00:06.07 | Jayro | abrotman, no..:( |
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| 00:06.43 | Jayro | abrotman, ifconfig finds no interfaces. |
| 00:08.40 | viking667 | Installed wheeze last night from netinst, works fine. Installed google-chrome, I see it in the menu, along with whatever else got installed. |
| 00:09.09 | Iridos | chaser12, some data would be useful... the exact commands you ran etc. I dunno, I can only imagine the fumbling type of didnt-plug-in-the-power mistakes... like repartitioning after you made the FS |
| 00:09.46 | viking667 | So. Then I decide to remove a few gnome-related packages I'll never use (evolution, epiphany, totem, and so on). It's then that I notice the icon for google-chrome has disappeared from the menu, along with considerable numbers of other programs that are still installed, just not showing on the menu any more. |
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| 00:10.05 | viking667 | What shoul I start looking at for restoring those menu entries to the Applications menu? |
| 00:11.16 | Iridos | chaser12, perhaps lets work, backwards... with what command do you try to mount? |
| 00:11.22 | Jayro | abrotman, I am starting to think I should have stayed on stable. ls |
| 00:11.42 | abrotman | Jayro: did you install a bunch of stuf before your dist-upgrade? |
| 00:12.06 | abrotman | viking667: menu-xdg still installed ? |
| 00:12.18 | Jayro | abrotman, no it was a fresh stable install |
| 00:12.31 | viking667 | I'll check but that's not one I deliberately removed. |
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| 00:13.17 | viking667 | Yup. That's still in place. |
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| 00:14.54 | Jayro | abrotman, I got my network card up |
| 00:15.01 | viking667 | for google chrome, at least - the desktop file is in /opt, but that location's obviously never getting read. I even symlinked it into /usr/share/applications, but that got simply ignored. |
| 00:15.03 | Jayro | but i am not sure how to connect to my network from cli |
| 00:15.20 | kephra | moin - I get an "gcc: error: elf_i386: No such file or directory" when compiling an older (2.6.32) kernel on wheezy 32bit - newer kernels like 3.2.x compiles fine |
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| 00:16.57 | abrotman | Jayro: it should have the config already |
| 00:17.28 | Jayro | abramart, eth0 is up, but not connected. |
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| 00:18.45 | pdtpatr1ck | Question - does upstart work in Squeeze? If i were to install "upstart" using apt-get. Would it work ? so far it does nothing. It complains about sockets with connection refused errors, and "initctl list" display nothing |
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| 00:21.24 | nkuttler | pdtpatr1ck: check the bts? |
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| 00:21.58 | Iridos | kephra, apt-file says /usr/lib/ldscripts/elf_i386.<something> are in binutils |
| 00:22.00 | abrotman | pdtpatr1ck: what's wrong with the init system squeeze has ? |
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| 00:23.16 | pdtpatr1ck | i already have upstart scripts. And three's few benefits but I'm not going to get into that |
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| 00:25.10 | SteveWilliams | Hi All, noob question.... i have setup openssh-server and am being able to connect to the ssh port from the same machine which has the ssh server. but when i try to connect from another machine, the connection is getting timed out. i have configured iptables as -A INPUT -p tcp -m state --state NEW --dport 22 -j ACCEPT and commited it. please help. the external machines are being able to ping... |
| 00:25.12 | SteveWilliams | ...the server. |
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| 00:26.14 | kevlarman | SteveWilliams: unless that's the first rule, you have to look at all the previous rules as well |
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| 00:27.11 | SteveWilliams | kevlarman: i started with a fresh debian install... i believe that is the first rule. iptables -L shows only one rule with ssh |
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| 00:27.35 | kevlarman | SteveWilliams: only one rule with ssh, or only one rule period? |
| 00:27.46 | viking667 | pdtpatr1ck: by the way, is messagebus running? |
| 00:28.52 | kephra | Iridos, yes, they are on file system - http://pastebin.com/hrzX7mpN <- still get this error |
| 00:30.21 | pdtpatr1ck | viking667: it is |
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| 00:31.06 | SteveWilliams | kevlarman : i am sorry for being a noob... iptables -L says ACCEPT tcp -- anywhere anywhere state NEW tcp dpt:ssh |
| 00:31.51 | kevlarman | SteveWilliams: pastebin all of your rules please |
| 00:32.07 | SteveWilliams | kevlarman: okay... please wait sir.. |
| 00:33.37 | abrotman | SteveWilliams: also, #netfilter may be of better service (if they're awake) |
| 00:34.21 | SteveWilliams | abrotman: thank you sir... checking them out as well |
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| 00:39.49 | jaimef | is there a way to determine if files that belong to a package have been changed post install? |
| 00:39.51 | SteveWilliams | kevlarman : here's the iptables -L output: http://pastebin.com/Cj2c4wFg |
| 00:40.36 | kevlarman | SteveWilliams: does /etc/hosts.deny exist? |
| 00:41.06 | nkuttler | jaimef: debsums |
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| 00:42.39 | SteveWilliams | kevlarman : yes, hosts.deny file exists. but no hosts are specified there fyi... |
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| 00:44.18 | cardamon | exit |
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| 00:45.58 | viking667 | I'm out of here... bye |
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| 00:48.30 | _Marcus | Anyone who of a "MrGeneral"? |
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| 00:50.40 | pedrolrneves | boas |
| 00:50.45 | pedrolrneves | iste aqui algum Tuga |
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| 00:55.00 | SteveWilliams | Okay guys... thanks for all your help... though still have the issue... will sort it tomorrow... bye |
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| 00:58.06 | mikey | I run debian linux on my home compter. |
| 00:58.14 | mikey | Feels good. |
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| 00:58.25 | mikey | Even have a custom kernel. |
| 00:58.52 | mikey | Linux buttons 2.6.32 #3 SMP Fri Jan 27 18:09:45 CST 2012 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 00:59.02 | burd | I've been trying off and on for a little while to install to this brand new Cubix Blade our company got.. It has LSI_Megaraid set up in Raid 5. It does the goofiest thing.. When installing it finds the drive, shows it as 3TB, I set up the partitions, then when I tell it to write to disk, it hangs, then comes back and says the disk does not exist... Anyone seen this with Squeeze... any possible solutions/hints would be great. |
| 00:59.08 | mikey | I think I will upgrade to 3.2 tonight. |
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| 01:00.02 | mikey | burd: if you launch a console (alt+f2 in the installer), and run fdisk -l, does it show the disk? |
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| 01:00.40 | burd | mikey: I haven't tried that.. it is now on my list |
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| 01:01.02 | burd | I would guess that before I commit the partitioning it would show up, after not so much |
| 01:01.06 | mikey | And did you need to load a custom driver at any point? |
| 01:01.46 | burd | mikey: I shouldn't the kernel is *supposed* to have the proper driver built in.. as I said it detects it properly but when I go to write to it, the thing just disappears |
| 01:01.48 | mikey | I can't recall if debian uses parted or fdisk for partitioning, but fdisk sometimes can't recognize a partition larger than 2tb.. Can your raid card support making a 'boot partition'? |
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| 01:02.20 | burd | mikey: I've tried all different sized partitions down to 40GB |
| 01:02.21 | mikey | Basically, a smaller partition within the unit. The OS would see it as /dev/sda, while the rest would be /dev/sdb |
| 01:02.29 | mikey | Alright. |
| 01:02.42 | mikey | Oh wait. |
| 01:02.45 | burd | I tried LVM because I read somewhere that might get it done |
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| 01:02.59 | burd | no luck there either |
| 01:03.00 | mikey | I mean, it can't work with disks larger than 2tb, due to fdisk operational limitations. |
| 01:03.23 | burd | hmmm maybe that's my issue, maybe I need to load cfdisk when it asks for extra stuff |
| 01:03.41 | MK` | Hello all, I am a user of Ubuntu and am considering switching to Debian for stability reasons. Is this a good idea, and can you tell me how different it will be, what I should prepare for, etc.? |
| 01:03.54 | mikey | I would see if it functions OK with a smaller unit, maybe config a raid1 instead for testing purpose? |
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| 01:04.23 | mikey | I work for a hosting company/datacenter, and we run into this pretty often with our storage unit servers. |
| 01:05.04 | mikey | We usually end up having to make a raid1 volume out of two disks for the OS, and then the remainder of the disks are used for the storage volume. |
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| 01:05.27 | n0yd | hey guys, im running sid, having an issue compiling an app |
| 01:05.46 | n0yd | it cant find docutils, i installed docutils-common |
| 01:05.52 | n0yd | still says the same error |
| 01:05.58 | gnarface | mikey: by default, you have to recompile your kernel to support volume sizes above 2TB |
| 01:05.59 | n0yd | there is no dev package |
| 01:06.18 | n0yd | and the packages deb package is too old for sid, it needs an older lib |
| 01:06.24 | mikey | An adaptec or 3ware controller would support a 'boot volume' out of the disks on the controller, but our LSI controllers don't usually support boot partitions. |
| 01:06.35 | Iridos | MK`, dunno what's so "different", never used ubuntu. Release cycle is much slower. New releases usually only happen every 2-3 years. If you need some packages to be newer, there are backports. apart from that I don't know enough about ubuntu to say anything |
| 01:06.39 | n0yd | is it a bug with docutils or the apps configure script? |
| 01:06.41 | Iridos | dpkg, tell MK` about stable |
| 01:06.43 | gnarface | mikey: you also have to recompile it i believe to support partition types that support partition sizes greater than 2TB |
| 01:06.59 | burd | gnarface: would you know a place where I can read about this? |
| 01:07.13 | mikey | gnarface: I don't think that's true. |
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| 01:07.44 | mikey | All of our centos and debian installations are usually fine with partitions larger than 2tb, you just need to use parted to partition it. |
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| 01:08.23 | mikey | gnarface: What does kernel compiling accomplish? I haven't seen this option in make menuconfig. |
| 01:09.27 | MK` | MBR partitioned drives cannot have partitions greater than 2 TB, the drive has to be formatted with GPT is all. |
| 01:09.40 | MK` | TiB, rather. |
| 01:09.58 | n0yd | any ideas? |
| 01:10.34 | mikey | noyd: Maybe you need to ldconfig in the directory of docutils? Wild guess. |
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| 01:11.50 | n0yd | hmm ok |
| 01:12.24 | gnarface | mikey: its in there, i assure you i didn't dream it |
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| 01:12.44 | n0yd | mikey: sid has no ldconfig cmd |
| 01:13.05 | mikey | gnarface: Humm... is it existent on 3.2? |
| 01:13.22 | gnarface | burd: google? |
| 01:13.31 | gnarface | mikey: 3.2 hwat? |
| 01:13.47 | mikey | gnarface: does that compilation option exist in the 3.2 kernel? |
| 01:14.22 | n0yd | i give up |
| 01:14.23 | n0yd | lol |
| 01:14.26 | gnarface | mikey: i can't tell you for sure but i think its safe to assume that if it does not then it is on by default. |
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| 01:14.37 | mikey | gnarface: alright. |
| 01:15.28 | gnarface | mikey: it was if i recall, in the menu with block device support - > 2TB block devices isnt' on by default (at least as of the last time i checked in 2006) so i expect that's what you're missing |
| 01:16.32 | gnarface | mikey: after that its worth noting that most partitioning tools that aren't parted or gparted also do not support partition sizes above 2TB |
| 01:16.54 | gnarface | mikey: also neither do most filesystems |
| 01:17.00 | mikey | gnarface: that leaves fdisk. |
| 01:17.12 | gnarface | mikey: nope, fdisk is useless to you |
| 01:17.28 | mikey | fdisk is still being used by many distributions. |
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| 01:17.49 | gnarface | mikey: so is microsoft windows 98SE. |
| 01:17.53 | mikey | Hell, rhel/centos5 is still using fdisk. |
| 01:18.06 | mikey | at least before v6.0 |
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| 01:18.25 | gnarface | mikey: i wash my hands of your great self-destruction |
| 01:18.36 | mikey | What do you mean? |
| 01:18.48 | mikey | I don't run centos on my personal servers, but many of our customers use it. |
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| 01:19.00 | mikey | I run freebsd, and debian. |
| 01:19.02 | gnarface | mikey: one day you'll know |
| 01:19.21 | mikey | This is why I hate linux irc channels. Nothing but zealots who are unwilling to explain their opinions. |
| 01:19.51 | gnarface | i already told you what you needed to do, you just didn't like it |
| 01:20.34 | gnarface | pandering to the irrational isn't our job |
| 01:20.38 | mikey | Because in my experience of working in a datacenter with thousands of servers running mostly linux, that hasn't been the solution. |
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| 01:21.01 | mikey | Especially with the disk controller that he's using. |
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| 01:21.29 | burd | hey hey now.. this isn't so important to get worked up over |
| 01:21.30 | gnarface | mikey: dude nothing supports volumes greater than 2TB out of the box. you can hate that and blame Linux and God or you can just fucking learn to recompile your kernel. |
| 01:21.49 | mikey | gnarface: Actually centos6 does. |
| 01:22.07 | mikey | You zealot. |
| 01:22.28 | mikey | centos6 does, because their installer uses parted instead of disk. |
| 01:22.29 | mikey | fdisk |
| 01:22.42 | gnarface | mikey: then if the latest debian doesn't, and the latest centos6 does, and you want to run debian anyway, then get the fucking kernel compilation flag from their stock kernel and apply it to the debian one, |
| 01:22.45 | gnarface | you plebian |
| 01:22.46 | kevlarman | gnarface: i'm calling bullshit, mbr doesn't support partitions >2tb, but lots of people have >2tb partitions using gpt |
| 01:23.08 | mikey | gnarface: i'm just trying to help this dude. I run debian on an 80gb ssd right now, and it's fine. |
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| 01:23.27 | gnarface | kevlarman: what's mbr? i have partitions in excess of 20TB and i don't know what that is |
| 01:23.29 | mikey | If i need to setup a >2TB partition, I'll use parted. |
| 01:23.51 | mikey | master boot record? |
| 01:24.30 | burd | When I tried setting it up tonight I used a GTP partition table |
| 01:24.33 | gnarface | mikey: last i checked nobody's kernels supported >2TB partitions out of the box. kevlarman (as usual, its his m.o.) says i'm wrong so ... ask him maybe |
| 01:24.33 | mikey | gnarface: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GUID_Partition_Table |
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| 01:25.49 | kevlarman | gnarface: if you have partitions >2tb, why don't you just check what the config option is? |
| 01:26.14 | gnarface | kevlarman: i'm not sure what you're talking about but i assume it comes from the backround of not knowing much about compiling kenrels |
| 01:26.32 | mikey | I have to go pick up pizza. |
| 01:26.37 | gnarface | kevlarman: we're trying to help mikey get his >2TB partitions accessible. mine are just fine. |
| 01:26.37 | mikey | I'll be back in 10. |
| 01:26.46 | mikey | gnarface: that is not what we are trying to do. |
| 01:27.02 | gnarface | mikey: then what exactly are we trying to help you with? |
| 01:27.10 | kevlarman | gnarface: if you claim that compiling a kernel is required, then you should know what the config option is |
| 01:27.11 | mikey | We were trying to help burd, because his debian installation isn't recognizing his 2tb volume. |
| 01:27.19 | mikey | 3tb * |
| 01:27.20 | burd | 3TB |
| 01:27.23 | burd | :D |
| 01:27.42 | mikey | :D |
| 01:27.43 | gnarface | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:27.51 | mikey | Pizza time. Tomato, onion, and garlic. |
| 01:27.59 | kevlarman | gnarface: it's not that hard to grep the config |
| 01:28.22 | gnarface | burd: its simple 1 kernel flag and a non-dos partition type and a non-dos partiioning tool (sorry parted is the only one i know of) |
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| 01:28.32 | mikey | gnarface: i've honestly configured debian servers with a 500gb boot volume, and a 3tb+ /storage volume without recompiling the kernel. |
| 01:29.18 | gnarface | mikey: i'm sure you think you're right and you may be but much to kevlarman's chagrin i don't care |
| 01:29.23 | mikey | You simply need to make a smaller /dev/sda volume, and then a larger /dev/sdb volume, and use parted to make a /dev/sdb1 volume to suit your needs. |
| 01:29.37 | mikey | Just use ext4 or another fs. |
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| 01:30.11 | burd | Well I can say this.. tonight in my few attempts I made, I was taking stabs at anything and I tried doing guided, LVM, and use entire disk as /.. now that feels kind of stupi with the info I am seeing here |
| 01:30.35 | DanDare | burd, start over |
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| 01:31.30 | burd | DanDare, that was just one stab.. I've tried it hundreds of different ways.. LVM, no LVM, simple 40GB partition as whole OS etc etc |
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| 01:35.30 | gnarface | much to kevlarman's chagrin, didn't have any trouble recompiling his kernel to support partition sizes in excess of 14TB |
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| 01:35.52 | burd | Just another thought I've had.. How stable is the wheezy installer right now? I would give that a whirl since it's so close to going stable |
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| 01:36.16 | pdtpatr1ck | how do u send stdout and stderr in initscript to a log file? |
| 01:36.36 | pdtpatr1ck | >>/logfile does not work .. nor does &>/logfile |
| 01:36.41 | kevlarman | pdtpatr1ck: &> logfile if you're ok with depending on bash |
| 01:36.42 | pdtpatr1ck | I'm using start-stop-daemon |
| 01:36.49 | gnarface | pdtpatr1ck: same way you do it in any other shell script; > [filename] 2>&1 |
| 01:37.10 | pdtpatr1ck | start-stop-daemon seems to treat it differently |
| 01:37.10 | kevlarman | ^that if you want it to work in all borne compliant shells |
| 01:37.29 | kevlarman | pdtpatr1ck: or it's not bash |
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| 01:37.45 | kevlarman | iirc /bin/sh is dash by default |
| 01:38.07 | gnarface | kevlarman: its an installation option; you have to say yes to it |
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| 01:38.48 | gnarface | kevlarman: it shouldn't treat bash command-line parameters that differently though |
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| 01:40.40 | pdtpatr1ck | here's what i have |
| 01:40.40 | pdtpatr1ck | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:40.54 | pdtpatr1ck | that does not work |
| 01:40.56 | kevlarman | pdtpatr1ck: that redirects stdout only |
| 01:41.08 | kevlarman | you'll need 2>&1 on the end for stderr |
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| 01:41.48 | gnarface | pdtpatr1ck: you are using bash for your interactive shell and dash for your daemon's shells as per default in squeeze, right? |
| 01:42.01 | kevlarman | also depending on what quiet does that may be a problem |
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| 01:42.04 | ward_ | whats the preferred way to execute a command at startup, and rerun it, should it fail/stop/get killed |
| 01:42.05 | ward_ | ? |
| 01:42.23 | gnarface | pdtpatr1ck: if you're using some weird non-standard shell anything could happen |
| 01:42.26 | ward_ | as a certain user to |
| 01:42.34 | ward_ | *too |
| 01:43.04 | pdtpatr1ck | ahh i think it might be because of quite |
| 01:43.07 | pdtpatr1ck | man pages show |
| 01:43.08 | pdtpatr1ck | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:44.13 | Butt3rfly | can I get some information on the debian inside the raspberry pi please |
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| 01:44.31 | gnarface | pdtpatr1ck: informational messages are important when you are testing software |
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| 01:44.41 | ward_ | Butt3rfly, what do you wanna know? |
| 01:44.51 | gnarface | Butt3rfly: get a raspberry pi and give us some information about it |
| 01:45.28 | Butt3rfly | i'm going to... i just wanted to find out a little bit more about it |
| 01:45.49 | ward_ | well what do you wanna know? |
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| 01:46.46 | Butt3rfly | i want to know what it's running... presuming it isn't lenny |
| 01:47.32 | Butt3rfly | and what can it help me teach my child ? |
| 01:47.40 | ward_ | "First Raspberry Pi SD Card Image Released [Debian Squeeze, LXDE]" |
| 01:47.45 | ward_ | http://www.ubuntuvibes.com/2012/02/first-raspberry-pi-sd-card-image.html |
| 01:47.46 | Butt3rfly | what languages the software used ect |
| 01:48.53 | Butt3rfly | thanks :) |
| 01:49.13 | Butt3rfly | wanders off to play with it |
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| 01:49.29 | ward_ | Butt3rfly, http://elinux.org/Rpi_Education |
| 01:50.00 | Butt3rfly | awesome thank you ward_ |
| 01:50.11 | ward_ | i think its mostly aimed at learning how to program |
| 01:50.17 | ward_ | that's the wikipage Butt3rfly |
| 01:50.24 | ward_ | it was normally linked on raspberrypi.org |
| 01:50.29 | ward_ | but not in the static page... |
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| 01:50.40 | ward_ | there's also #raspberrypi btw |
| 01:50.47 | ward_ | here on freenode |
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| 01:51.12 | Butt3rfly | i wrote my first ever program on a spectrum... my boy is 8 and I'm getting him a pi |
| 01:51.19 | ward_ | http://elinux.org/RPi_Tutorials |
| 01:51.19 | Butt3rfly | he's gonna luv it |
| 01:51.22 | ward_ | this seems interesting too |
| 01:51.29 | ward_ | i hope so :p |
| 01:51.34 | ward_ | not everyone loves programming lol |
| 01:51.36 | Butt3rfly | me too :) |
| 01:51.47 | ward_ | try to make it interesting i would say :p |
| 01:51.48 | Butt3rfly | yeah i know |
| 01:51.56 | ward_ | you know MIT scratch? |
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| 01:52.26 | Butt3rfly | nope but i'm sure it wont take me long |
| 01:52.26 | ward_ | http://scratch.mit.edu/ |
| 01:52.45 | ward_ | http://i1-win.softpedia-static.com/screenshots/MIT-Scratch_6.png |
| 01:53.11 | ward_ | might be a good start considering the age |
| 01:53.57 | technologov | ward_, it may be a good idea to go to #debian-offtopic |
| 01:54.23 | ward_ | yes lets keep the silence here |
| 01:54.31 | ward_ | Butt3rfly, /msg me if you need more help |
| 01:55.35 | Butt3rfly | thank you ward_, i think i've got enough to be going on with for now |
| 01:57.14 | ward_ | well my debian related question didnt get any response, and silence is boring so later |
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| 02:03.50 | BoyOfWuHan | my OS is debian(squeeze), but there is no /dev/dsp or /dev/audio file,,,but still can play misc or movies....Now i want to use rdesktop to connect a remote windows, and want get sound play on local machine ,(follow goole.com , $rdesktop -r sound:local:asla IP ,,,,and got error message: WARNING: Initializing sound-support failed! |
| 02:03.52 | BoyOfWuHan | /dev/dsp: No such file or directory ，，，，，anyhelp？ |
| 02:03.55 | ajithkanu | clear |
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| 02:05.37 | somiaj | isn't /dev/dsp the old oss device...there is an alsa oss combadability module |
| 02:06.37 | BoyOfWuHan | i want to know wich sound-driver my machine already use |
| 02:06.55 | somiaj | I have a /dev/dsp, but I load the module snd_pcm_oss and snd_mixer_oss |
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| 02:08.12 | somiaj | yea google seems to agree with me that is the oss device, and so you'll need to 'modprobe snd_pcm_oss' |
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| 02:08.46 | somiaj | looks like it is disabled by default if you use pulseaudio (they can conficlit) |
| 02:08.49 | somiaj | BoyOfWuHan: ^^ |
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| 02:09.09 | BoyOfWuHan | HDA ATI SB (alsa mixer),,volumcontrol shows |
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| 02:10.52 | somiaj | again the issue is /dev/dsp is the old oss sound system device node. I just told you the module names to load if you need it. It can just conflict with pulseaudio if you have no hardware mixing (so you can either use the oss node or pulseaudio atop of alsa) |
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| 02:12.28 | Hybridsix | I'm lookign for an old debian package of google chrome 64 bit. specifically, version 13 of chrome. anyone have it or know where to get it? |
| 02:12.45 | somiaj | Hybridsix: snapshot.debian.org |
| 02:12.49 | somiaj | !sdo |
| 02:12.50 | dpkg | http://snapshot.debian.org/ is an archive of almost all Debian packages uploaded since 2005, including those removed from the official archives because they were very buggy, unusable, broken, vulnerable or in some way non-free. This service replaces the old http://snapshot.debian.net/ site that is no longer maintained. http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100412 |
| 02:13.15 | somiaj | Hybridsix: though be careful on your debian version, it may not easily install as it is a binary package. |
| 02:13.50 | Hybridsix | alright. i'm acutally using an ubuntu build, 11.04. trying to work out a tricky bug in chrome. |
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| 02:13.57 | Hybridsix | thanks |
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| 02:16.39 | BoyOfWuHan | Card config: |
| 02:16.40 | BoyOfWuHan | HDA ATI SB at 0xfe024000 irq 16 |
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| 02:19.06 | Hybridsix | okay. i'm gonna boot back into linux |
| 02:19.12 | Hybridsix | Leaving |
| 02:19.56 | sukaeto | BoyOfWuHan: you should be using the ALSA driver (especially considering the mixer mentions it) |
| 02:20.05 | sukaeto | rdesktop -r sound:local:asla <-- if that's exactly what you typed at the console |
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| 02:20.18 | sukaeto | note the l and the s transposed |
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| 02:20.22 | sukaeto | should be |
| 02:20.23 | sukaeto | rdesktop -r sound:local:alsa |
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| 02:21.13 | Rockj | Anyone who's a PAM expert who don't mind helping me out debugging pwauth? https://gist.github.com/0d5a93f40a9eca66d056 |
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| 02:21.31 | newer | help!! i install a debian by small image, just 200M, but it have gcc, and I can't connect the internet. What should i do ? |
| 02:21.49 | BoyOfWuHan | sukaeto thanks |
| 02:21.57 | newer | sorry, not have |
| 02:22.00 | newer | gcc |
| 02:22.01 | sukaeto | BoyOfWuHan: no problem |
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| 02:22.13 | newer | who can help me |
| 02:23.07 | newer | help!! i install a debian by small image, just 200M, but it have not gcc, and I can't connect the internet. What should i do ? |
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| 02:25.08 | Mr_Queue | Anyone know of something similar to vnstat to log emails? Perhaps inbound/outbound per domain or user? |
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| 02:25.37 | Mr_Queue | I guess it would be a pretty large data set, but I know it would be useful. |
| 02:25.40 | newer | help!! i install a debian by small image, just 200M, but it have not gcc, and I can't connect the internet. What should i do ? |
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| 02:25.57 | DanDare | newer, repeating yourself is not the best option |
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| 02:27.48 | Mr_Queue | newer: You need a connection, or the cd's or DVD's. |
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| 02:28.37 | BoyOfWuHan | if i know what sound-driver now work for OS,,so I can point to the right sound-driver now worked,, rdesktop -r sound:local:sound-driver |
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| 02:29.16 | Mr_Queue | I can't remember what they call it, but there is a package with basically writes dependencies to a flash drive and then you can grab everything needed from a different system. |
| 02:29.17 | Max_ | Hi, I wonder that if Debian is the best platform for PHP server |
| 02:29.34 | Mr_Queue | Max_: Why wouldn't it be? |
| 02:30.00 | Max_ | i do really love Debian instead of windows, is that find to recommend Debian to my BOSS |
| 02:30.47 | Max_ | he didnt know that what debian stands for, and he likes MS windows (illegal copy) |
| 02:31.14 | nkuttler | Max_: best? who knows. better than windows? certainly |
| 02:31.27 | Mr_Queue | Depends on what tool you need. I find Debian works for everything I need. I'm forced to work with Cent at work, but my workstation runs Debian. |
| 02:32.02 | nkuttler | i've had bad experiences on cent with incomplete packages etc. not very fond of it. |
| 02:32.05 | Max_ | So I will do it at my own risk to install debian on the servers in my company |
| 02:32.10 | nkuttler | was xvfb though, not php itself |
| 02:32.16 | Mr_Queue | All my servers run Debian, and every machine I'm not paid to work on runs Debian. |
| 02:32.47 | Max_ | thank you for your advice :D |
| 02:33.11 | Mr_Queue | Max_: Have fun, I would setup a test server first. |
| 02:33.38 | Max_ | is that OK to install dotdeb LAMP packages on stable version of Debian? |
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| 02:33.56 | Mr_Queue | Check out the wiki and doc's. You should be fine. I'm sure there is a mailing list in your native language and IRC is typically helpful when stonewalled. |
| 02:34.28 | Mr_Queue | Max_: Stick with stable and try to stay with what is in the repos. |
| 02:34.39 | Mr_Queue | The wiki covers nearly everything. |
| 02:34.53 | somiaj | !dotdeb |
| 02:34.53 | dpkg | i heard dotdeb is for the latest PHP and MySQL releases, packaged up and backported for your pleasure, go to http://dotdeb.org/ , but realize that we cannot support dotdeb packages here, so you will be ON YOUR OWN. The packages from backports.debian.org are vastly superior. Ask me about <backports> and <debian-backports>. "aptitude purge ~Vdotdeb" |
| 02:34.55 | Max_ | thank you Mr_Queue :D |
| 02:35.20 | somiaj | I don't trust dotdeb packages, they seem to cause more problems than they solve, but I only ever hear about the problems they cause |
| 02:35.36 | Mr_Queue | Max_: See that from dpke? Try to stay within the repos and what Debian stable offers. |
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| 02:36.12 | Max_ | yea, I will stay with the original packages in order to keep my server stable |
| 02:36.19 | Mr_Queue | mixed systems can become a handful if you're not ready for it. As you are new to Debian I would advise to stay away from it. |
| 02:36.52 | BoyOfWuHan | somiaj : why there is no /dev/dsp ,,but my machine can still play misc? |
| 02:37.11 | somiaj | BoyOfWuHan: because you aren't listening to what I'm asying. /dev/dsp is the OLD oss device node. |
| 02:37.44 | BoyOfWuHan | Oh,,i know |
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| 02:37.51 | BoyOfWuHan | my english is poor |
| 02:38.07 | somiaj | so is mine, (: |
| 02:39.08 | Max_ | is GUI necessary for linux server? I am setting up my Debian server and selecting packages |
| 02:39.32 | somiaj | BoyOfWuHan: please don't message me. I'm in the states, I just type fast and don't double check what I say. So it can be a bit difficult for a non native speaker to follow me. |
| 02:39.47 | somiaj | Max_: no, base debian install + a few serverices has no GUI for a server |
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| 02:40.29 | BoyOfWuHan | somiaj oh.. |
| 02:40.41 | Max_ | thank you. and another question, how to whisper others? Im new to irc |
| 02:40.56 | somiaj | Max_: you shouldn't whisper others (without asking first) |
| 02:41.06 | somiaj | Max_: but it is usually /msg nick foo on most irc clients |
| 02:42.18 | Max_ | thank you. I think I mean how to point my message to someone with green colour like yours |
| 02:42.28 | somiaj | Max_: again I said don't message people with out asking, it is considered rude. |
| 02:42.36 | somiaj | just say their name |
| 02:42.58 | somiaj | irc clients hilight messages that have the users nick/name in it Max_ |
| 02:43.07 | Max_ | somiaj: sorry about that, I didnt mean to do that, i just want to green my message to reply and thank you |
| 02:43.16 | somiaj | no problem, (: |
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| 02:57.41 | rue_house | is there a package for the java that I need for firefox or so I get it from sun? |
| 02:59.45 | somiaj | are you on squeeze? |
| 03:00.10 | rue_house | uh |
| 03:00.24 | somiaj | squeeze still has sun-java6 from non-free repo, from wheezy onward it has been removed (due to oracle) and you have to download it and install it from their site with no support from debian. |
| 03:00.33 | rue_house | squeeze/sid |
| 03:00.40 | somiaj | squeeze/sid is not a distribution |
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| 03:00.49 | somiaj | if you are mixing those two, you have worse problems than no java |
| 03:00.50 | rue_house | zippo:/files/temp# cat /etc/debian_version |
| 03:00.50 | rue_house | squeeze/sid |
| 03:01.11 | somiaj | you can also use openJDK and icetea |
| 03:01.12 | somiaj | !icetea |
| 03:01.22 | somiaj | !icedtea |
| 03:01.23 | dpkg | IcedTea is a <Java> implementation based on <OpenJDK> and GNU Classpath, which can bootstrap OpenJDK using only free software components. It currently provides the only working free software Java web browser plugin. Packaged for Debian as icedtea6-plugin (Squeeze) and icedtea-plugin (Wheezy). http://icedtea.classpath.org/ |
| 03:01.40 | rue_house | k, so I install that and it'll work with iceweasel? |
| 03:01.42 | somiaj | rue_house: put the output of 'apt-cache policy' and 'apt-cache policy libc6' on a pastebin |
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| 03:02.39 | rue_house | http://paste.debian.net/158260/ |
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| 03:03.02 | rue_house | http://paste.debian.net/158261/ |
| 03:03.09 | rue_house | whistles |
| 03:03.28 | rue_house | whistles 'when I'm 64.." |
| 03:03.53 | somiaj | rue_house: your install is in a bad state, things may be buggy and not work in various cases. Do not mix stable/testing |
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| 03:04.17 | rue_house | I needed some programs made in the last 50 years |
| 03:04.18 | rue_house | :) |
| 03:04.23 | somiaj | rue_house: My suggestion is to reinstall squeeze and only run stable. But you could upgrade your current install to testing. |
| 03:04.26 | somiaj | !backports |
| 03:04.27 | dpkg | A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
| 03:04.47 | rue_house | this system was origionally installed in 2001, I dont plan on reinstalling it now, (or ever!) |
| 03:04.50 | rue_house | :) |
| 03:04.51 | somiaj | rue_house: well what you are doing is not supported. I would do some research and figure out what a binary package is and why dependencies (including versions) are important. |
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| 03:05.02 | rue_house | ok |
| 03:05.19 | optraz | when we register an account in dynamic dns, can anyone tell me what are the risks? |
| 03:05.20 | somiaj | if you want to run testing, by all means do so. just make sure you keep up to date and use the bts to fix issues you run accross |
| 03:05.34 | somiaj | optraz: that isn't on topic for #debian. |
| 03:05.49 | optraz | right |
| 03:05.51 | optraz | where should i ask? |
| 03:06.22 | rue_house | testing bit me once, so I only venture from stable when I need a program thats not in stable yet |
| 03:06.26 | rue_house | optraz, #robotics |
| 03:06.35 | somiaj | rue_house: then use backports |
| 03:06.47 | somiaj | rue_house: mixing squeeze/testing will bite you harder than just running testing |
| 03:06.55 | rue_house | I dont think there were backports of what I use |
| 03:07.15 | rue_house | every so often it all breaks in a major way and I have to do EVIL things to get going again |
| 03:07.23 | somiaj | rue_house: the problem is not the piece of software you need to be newer, the problem is that piece of software depends on a core system (such as libc6, dpkg, debconf, etc). These change between stable and testing |
| 03:07.25 | rue_house | and I really do mean evil |
| 03:07.47 | rue_house | using a knoppix boot cd to copy binaries from other systems :) |
| 03:07.49 | somiaj | rue_house: so if you pull in a testing package you pull in a bunch of core depends that every other package on your machine may also depend on, now you have conflicting versions/abi/api's and unexpected bugs appear |
| 03:08.02 | rue_house | yes I know |
| 03:08.04 | somiaj | rue_house: so you use a backport and you compile the newer software against the core system. |
| 03:08.22 | somiaj | !tell rue_house about ssbp |
| 03:08.27 | somiaj | you can always make your own backport |
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| 03:09.12 | rue_house | I dont like the new stuff cause they seem to be getting rid of gnome/enlightenment, forcing me to use a session manager (I'm the only user ont he system) programs like nedit seem to be gone, and a bunch of others ... |
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| 03:09.52 | rue_house | I cant pick them up myself as debian packages cause it seems to take a 24/7 commitment for about 2 years to be abel to make or maintain packages, which is too bad, I'm a coder |
| 03:10.17 | rue_house | If I wanted to do that just for me, I'd use slakware |
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| 03:11.02 | rue_house | I know I'm on a precifice of doom, and I assure you I will fall into it, but its ok, I'm quite experianced at getting everything back up |
| 03:11.34 | rue_house | I almost never upgrade anything |
| 03:11.41 | rue_house | I compile my own kernels |
| 03:12.14 | somiaj | then I don't see why squeeze isn't a good system for you. It is stable, the only upgrades that happen will be security/bug fixes. You can use backports to install a few things of newer software much safer than installing the binary package |
| 03:12.57 | somiaj | backports aren't hard to make, really only risk you take with a backport is you now have to worry about security, but once the backport is made you can be assured the base system won't change much (if at all) during its lifespan (usually a few years) |
| 03:14.04 | rue_house | some of the packages I "need" weren't available in backports and the stable version was WAY too old, I dont like compiling apps cuase it usualy means downloading and compiling every library ever writen, and uaually every library ever written isn't available for source download anyhow, or half of them are broken, I'd LOVE to know how ANYONE ever manages to compile mplayer |
| 03:14.38 | somiaj | I almost always compile mplayer myself and make my own custom deb from the upstream source |
| 03:14.43 | somiaj | I have alawys not liked the debian mplayer packagesx. |
| 03:15.18 | rue_house | I commend you, last time I tried there were 4 libraries where the required version wasn't avilable or didn't compile |
| 03:15.25 | newer | help!!!who can help me, i wan to install a GCC without internet |
| 03:15.46 | rue_house | newer |
| 03:15.54 | rue_house | do, apt-get install gcc |
| 03:15.58 | somiaj | newer: you need the internet at some stage, but you can manually download the package and its dependencies from packages.debian.org and copy them over to the install |
| 03:16.14 | rue_house | take a price of paper and print on it all the packages it says its gonna download |
| 03:16.20 | rue_house | download them onto a cd |
| 03:16.46 | rue_house | copy them to /... where is the apt cache... /var/spool/apt/cache ? |
| 03:16.49 | somiaj | newer: you can also purchase (mostly due to making costs) a full set of debian cd's/dvd's from various sources, have them mailed to you and install directally from those. |
| 03:17.00 | somiaj | rue_house: /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 03:17.02 | rue_house | then do the isntall command again, and it'll use those packages and isntall it |
| 03:17.04 | rue_house | ta |
| 03:17.09 | somiaj | rue_house: though dpkg -i would be sufficent on the deb files |
| 03:17.18 | rue_house | ah |
| 03:18.10 | rue_house | disclaimer: the forementioned method would work for ME, it may not work at all for you. |
| 03:18.40 | somiaj | newer: please do not message me. I already gave you a link |
| 03:21.46 | optraz | rue_house: you must be kidding and it aint funny |
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| 03:35.49 | rue_house | no I'm including that disclaimer after I realized that the instructions I give people only work for me, they dont seem to work for anyone else, dispite that fact there should be absolutly no variation in the result |
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| 03:56.46 | blj | am on detain squeeze, and have the insserv installed. I want to remove a script from being started, what do I do? |
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| 03:56.57 | blj | s/detain/debian |
| 03:57.41 | cthuluh | update-rc.d comes to mind |
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| 03:58.27 | blj | cthuluh: it says "update-rc.d: using dependency based boot sequencing" |
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| 04:00.45 | thevaliantx_ | i am looking for a good tutorial on partitioning and schemes. i've got a 500GB hd that i'd like to partition so that i can have multiple distros, and keep my personal stuff separate from the distros. |
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| 04:01.26 | cthuluh | blj: so, isn't it usable? |
| 04:01.34 | blj | cthuluh: nope. |
| 04:01.49 | cthuluh | how so, then? |
| 04:02.40 | nevyn | thevaliantx_: if all distros are linux I'd suggest lvm. the restrictions of dos partition labels can be restrictive. |
| 04:02.45 | cardamon | I'm fiddling around with awesome. What determines...not the window decorations, because there aren't any, but the buttons and looks of the the guis that come up? GTK+? |
| 04:03.00 | nevyn | man I must be asleep restritions are restrictive DUH! |
| 04:03.28 | thevaliantx_ | nevyn, yeap all linux |
| 04:03.32 | thevaliantx_ | what is lvm? |
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| 04:05.23 | cthuluh | !lvm |
| 04:05.24 | dpkg | [lvm] the Linux Logical Volume Manager (http://sources.redhat.com/lvm2/). Resources: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO/, <lvm_tutorial>, <lvm removedisk>, <lvm movelv>, <install using lvm>, http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/410, http://sources.redhat.com/lvm2/wiki/ IRC: #lvm on irc.freenode.net. |
| 04:06.42 | cardamon | guh |
| 04:06.43 | blj | cthuluh: no idea how to remove, may be I should remove the links in rcX folders myself. |
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| 04:07.39 | cthuluh | blj: update-rc.d service disable |
| 04:07.51 | cthuluh | blj: removing links isn't the way to go |
| 04:08.14 | cthuluh | unless you want them to be re-created when you don't pay attention |
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| 04:10.24 | iluminator101 | can you install linux in a windows 7 machine without install linux first and then have to reinstall windows? |
| 04:10.50 | blj | cthuluh: it did not help, its a script that I put in, not from any package though. |
| 04:10.59 | LtL | iluminator101: yes |
| 04:11.16 | cthuluh | blj: then you'd better fix it |
| 04:11.18 | cthuluh | !lsb |
| 04:11.19 | dpkg | Linux Standard Base is a set of guidelines which all linux distributions should follow to ensure compatability between them. http://www.linuxfoundation.org/collaborate/workgroups/lsb . See also <lsb tags>. |
| 04:11.31 | iluminator101 | LtL, can you point me to a good how to |
| 04:11.37 | blj | cthuluh: thanks will look into that. |
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| 04:12.01 | cthuluh | blj: the correct factoid is lsb tags; use /msg to query the bot |
| 04:12.15 | blj | ok |
| 04:12.18 | LtL | iluminator101: not offhand, but if windows is installed first, it's rather easy. |
| 04:14.01 | yogi | what's going on with cherokee? has it been removed from debian? |
| 04:14.27 | yogi | I'm apt-get searching for cherokee and I get fonts-lg-aboriginal ? |
| 04:14.52 | iluminator101 | LtL, have you done this before wouldnt grub conflict windows master boot image in windows 7; this if out of box laptop i dont wanna screw up the installed setup |
| 04:14.53 | LtL | iluminator101: the basics are to shrink the ntfs win7 partition [you can do this w/win7 disk management] or a partitioning tool, then d/l the proper iso image to cd or dvd, burn it and boot it, let linux use the un-allocated space. |
| 04:15.16 | cthuluh | yogi: http://packages.qa.debian.org/c/cherokee.html |
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| 04:16.04 | yogi | oh, that |
| 04:16.21 | yogi | what should I use as a lightweight http server, in front of php? |
| 04:16.36 | cthuluh | I like lighty |
| 04:16.36 | yogi | nginx seems to be funky to configure with php |
| 04:16.46 | yogi | lighthttpd? |
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| 04:16.55 | cthuluh | lighttpd |
| 04:17.15 | yogi | cthuluh: I'll give it a spin |
| 04:17.20 | yogi | thanks! |
| 04:17.30 | cthuluh | yw |
| 04:17.36 | kristijan | hi! need some help with compile custom kernel, can anybody help me? |
| 04:18.19 | LtL | iluminator101: i haven't done it with win7, but i know it can be done, install grub to the mbr of the primary disk, after linux boots after install run os-prober and update-grub to add win7 to the grub menu and you're done. |
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| 04:21.00 | kristijan | anybodi? :) |
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| 04:33.53 | spersaud | how do I make iceweasel the default browser and not google chrome ? |
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| 04:40.58 | somiaj | spersaud: default to what? you could look at update-alternatives |
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| 04:41.58 | somiaj | spersaud: update-alternatives --config www-browser |
| 04:43.26 | spersaud | somiaj: thanks, I think I can do it in preferences too ... |
| 04:43.39 | spersaud | ie set this browser to default system browser |
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| 04:43.46 | LtL | spersaud: do you have gnome desktop, an easy way is system - preferences - preferred applications. |
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| 04:45.10 | somiaj | spersaud: a lot of it depends on what window manager/desktop/application you want to set it for. |
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| 05:53.11 | nveid | curious.. when is wheezy tobe released? I thought it was to be stable by now |
| 05:53.37 | vbrummond | nveid, the freeze isnt until june this year, so I would say a bit after that |
| 05:53.52 | nveid | freeze? |
| 05:54.49 | nveid | nevermind |
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| 05:59.35 | nveid | hrm.. I got some errors on startup abotu some corrupt libraries.. is the startup process logged anywhere? |
| 06:00.14 | vbrummond | nveid: try running; dmesg | less for the kernel log |
| 06:00.33 | nveid | not getting them in there |
| 06:00.35 | nveid | i checked dmesg |
| 06:00.42 | terron | how can i tell what video card driver is actually being utilized? I'm trying to get an ati radeon 2100 HD (desktop integrated graphics) running so I can get Gnome3 working, but to no avail. |
| 06:00.56 | vbrummond | terror: look in /var/log/xorg.0.log |
| 06:01.05 | vbrummond | terron* sorry ^ |
| 06:01.11 | terron | thanks |
| 06:01.23 | nveid | is there anything out there that can check through all my shared libraries for corrupt ones? |
| 06:01.36 | nveid | so i know what I need to reinstall (migrated via rsync last week) |
| 06:01.41 | terron | wow, i have 500 xorg logs |
| 06:02.16 | vbrummond | yikes |
| 06:02.30 | vbrummond | i only have 2 |
| 06:03.05 | terron | ls -l Xorg.* | wc -l |
| 06:03.06 | terron | 851 |
| 06:03.36 | vbrummond | wow :P you might want to clean up some of those |
| 06:03.58 | terron | they've all been created in the last 5 days... |
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| 06:04.11 | terron | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 19K 2012-02-26 20:35:46-05 Xorg.93.log.old |
| 06:04.11 | terron | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 19K 2012-02-26 20:35:46-05 Xorg.94.log.old |
| 06:04.12 | terron | etc |
| 06:04.20 | vbrummond | that is really odd |
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| 06:08.38 | terron | yeah, about 475 logs and then 475 logs.old as well |
| 06:08.44 | Guest18917 | hi ! is someone here installed debian/centos on one of these servers: Dell PowerEdge 1950 III, Xeon, SAS hdd and HP ProLiant DL380 R04, Xeon, Ultra320 SCSI ? |
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| 06:24.07 | Guest18917 | so, can anyone tell me if i can install linux on those servers? |
| 06:24.32 | lstarnes | you can install linux on pretty much any servers |
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| 06:32.00 | Guest18917 | i know, but i was wondering if there are any kind of problems regarding the drivers for raid, for example |
| 06:32.17 | BoyOfWuHan1 | error msg :Current allocation mode is local ,I can fix this problem? |
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| 06:48.48 | somiaj | Guest18917: you can get the actual chipsets/hardware used and look up each one for info. |
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| 06:58.53 | Milos|Netbook | I'm trying to help someone set up debian dual-booted with windows |
| 06:59.11 | Milos|Netbook | they said they are on this screen http://dpaste.com/710300/ |
| 06:59.21 | Milos|Netbook | they have one free parition on which they want to install debian |
| 06:59.37 | Milos|Netbook | how do I get the setup to acknowledge that he wants to install it on only this one partition |
| 06:59.45 | Milos|Netbook | and not disable booting windows |
| 06:59.59 | Milos|Netbook | as obviously this will overwrite the bootloader with grub |
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| 07:01.33 | Milos|Netbook | never mind they couldn't explain it properly |
| 07:04.09 | vbrummond | Milos|Netbook: I would boot into live cd or use windows to delete the blank partition and then reboot into the debian installer and have it use "guided" "use free space" then check the final layout to ensure it doesnt delete any windows partitions, by the end of the install you can cancel the installation if windows is not detected by grub (it always detects it for me) |
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| 07:04.44 | Milos|Netbook | vbrummond, ah I see. That's a good idea. |
| 07:04.46 | Milos|Netbook | Thanks. |
| 07:05.29 | vbrummond | np |
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| 07:25.34 | technologov | Anybody understands the idea behind "Genode OS Framework" ? |
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| 08:17.18 | germanyboy24 | http://xeducation.info/2012/02/young-italian-nimfo-teens-loves-group-sex-adolescenza-perversa-italian/ |
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| 08:24.19 | optraz | im ssh into a box and launch gui application from there. however, in my termianl, i got error. what package i need to install in the server ? |
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| 08:25.06 | bolt | optraz: let me just find my crystal ball to figure out what the heck you're up to, and then I'll answer |
| 08:25.12 | optraz | ehhe |
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| 08:25.57 | bolt | optraz: which application? which error? what is your ssh command? what is the command you're running once you're logged in? what kind of a system are you on? what kind of system are you logging in to? |
| 08:26.10 | bolt | (sorry, couldn't find the ball |
| 08:27.03 | optraz | eclipse |
| 08:27.09 | optraz | ssh -X username@hostname |
| 08:27.24 | optraz | both linux |
| 08:27.52 | bolt | and both debian, i assume? |
| 08:27.53 | DelTree | what's the error message ? |
| 08:27.59 | bolt | what error do you get? |
| 08:28.20 | optraz | no, client is debian |
| 08:28.22 | optraz | server is fedora |
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| 08:28.41 | optraz | !pastebin |
| 08:28.41 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ http://paste.pocoo.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>, <lodgeit.py>. |
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| 08:29.03 | bolt | then, depending on your error, you might very much want to ask fedora, as we can't tell you what to install on that to make eclipse work |
| 08:29.25 | bolt | however, giving us the actual error might still provide some insight |
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| 08:29.59 | optraz | ok, just a sec |
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| 08:33.03 | optraz | http://paste.debian.net/158270/ |
| 08:33.05 | optraz | bolt: ^^ |
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| 08:34.07 | DelTree | et si tu fais echo $DISPLAY ? |
| 08:34.13 | DelTree | oops... |
| 08:34.22 | DelTree | and what does echo $DISPLAY say ? |
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| 08:34.45 | optraz | none. |
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| 08:34.47 | optraz | empyt output |
| 08:34.57 | bolt | then x forwarding isn't working for you |
| 08:34.57 | DelTree | that's the problem... |
| 08:35.04 | bolt | you might want to check if the remote host allows that |
| 08:35.17 | bolt | it's in /etc/ssh/sshd_config on debian. couldn't tell you where on fedora |
| 08:35.19 | DelTree | X11Forwarding in sshd_config... |
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| 08:35.33 | DelTree | probably set to no... like it used to be on debian... |
| 08:35.38 | optraz | ok, i check in the server for x11forwrding |
| 08:35.40 | optraz | one moment |
| 08:35.58 | optraz | X11Forwarding yes |
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| 08:36.40 | DelTree | damn... |
| 08:36.58 | DelTree | in the client initially ? you have $DISPLAY ? |
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| 08:37.38 | optraz | the client ssh -X to the server |
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| 08:39.11 | DelTree | yes but if the client does not have X11 access to start with, then ssh cannot forward... |
| 08:39.30 | optraz | yes, client has display at :0.0 |
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| 08:40.18 | b4h4 | i have install debian and then apt-get install apache2, but i can't access server via browser |
| 08:40.24 | b4h4 | why? |
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| 08:41.12 | optraz | firewall, b4h4 ? |
| 08:41.16 | MyTh881 | maybe it must be configured before? or you should put some file in www/public folder? |
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| 08:41.51 | optraz | bolt: DelTree it seem the error go away after i install a package... |
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| 08:42.03 | b4h4 | no firewall |
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| 08:42.12 | DelTree | optraz: which package ? |
| 08:42.27 | optraz | xorg-x11-xauth |
| 08:42.40 | tralala | b4h4, is it configured? is it up? |
| 08:42.49 | Milos|Netbook | ok this is very ambiguous |
| 08:43.02 | Milos|Netbook | if I have a netinst disc, can I just install the MOST BASIC SYSTEM EVER with nothing at all |
| 08:43.07 | Milos|Netbook | or do I NEED the network? |
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| 08:43.21 | Milos|Netbook | my friend is trying to install debian but he doesn't have a LAN cable and it's a huge annoyance to install debian |
| 08:43.39 | Milos|Netbook | I just want to install command-line debian, is this possible with the netinst disc |
| 08:43.39 | b4h4 | no it's not configured, tralala |
| 08:43.53 | tralala | Milos|Netbook, you don't need network you can just do base install |
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| 08:44.19 | tralala | b4h4, is it running? |
| 08:44.23 | Milos|Netbook | tralala, thank you. |
| 08:44.53 | b4h4 | tralala, no is not running |
| 08:45.12 | b4h4 | tralala, i can access to Webmin |
| 08:45.13 | tralala | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:46.16 | tralala | b4h4, check out the package documentation is /usr/share/doc/apache2 |
| 08:46.43 | tralala | typically there's a /etc/default/<file> that you have to edit in order to enable the service |
| 08:47.49 | tralala | b4h4, I'm not sure webmin is a good idea. Let's see what our bot thinks about it. |
| 08:47.53 | tralala | !webmin |
| 08:47.53 | dpkg | Webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Removed from Debian post-Sarge, see http://bugs.debian.org/343897 . The Debian package from webmin.com is of poor quality. See <free whcp> for alternatives. |
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| 08:48.02 | b4h4 | tralala, i think this is not iptables' work, is it? |
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| 08:48.16 | tralala | b4h4, no probably not |
| 08:49.06 | b4h4 | tralala, ok i'll check configs |
| 08:49.40 | b4h4 | Webmin says, "No IPtables firewall has been setup yet on your system. Webmin can set one up for you, to be stored in the save file /etc/iptables.up.rules, with the initial settings based your selection of firewall type below" |
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| 08:52.04 | b4h4 | tralala, i read it about Webmin for the first time, where have you find it? |
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| 08:52.54 | b4h4 | tralala, thank you |
| 08:53.31 | tralala | b4h4, where did I find what? |
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| 08:54.00 | b4h4 | tralala, about Webmin |
| 08:54.03 | arinov | hello |
| 08:54.18 | arinov | i have a question about debian 6 server configuration |
| 08:54.28 | arinov | about fail2ban daemon |
| 08:55.01 | arinov | can i ask here or all questions about fail2ban i should ask developer? |
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| 08:56.06 | optraz | what are the essential fonts package need to be install? |
| 08:58.59 | tralala | b4h4, dpkg is a channel bot that has quite a lot of data in it. you can query it using /msg |
| 08:59.48 | b4h4 | tralala, thanks! |
| 08:59.49 | tralala | arinov, just ask - if anybody has experience with it, you might get an answer |
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| 09:00.02 | tralala | b4h4 you're welcome |
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| 09:00.40 | b4h4 | tralala, how is my english? :) |
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| 09:01.09 | tralala | it's fine |
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| 09:02.33 | b4h4 | tralala, i don't now english well |
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| 09:04.07 | b4h4 | why open source developers can't create good terminal server on linux |
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| 09:04.10 | b4h4 | ??? |
| 09:04.13 | tralala | keep learning - eventually you'll get there |
| 09:04.39 | tralala | what's a "good terminal server"? |
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| 09:05.03 | b4h4 | like ms rdp... |
| 09:05.23 | marlonza | haha |
| 09:05.27 | tralala | and why is it good? |
| 09:05.29 | marlonza | ill stay out of this one |
| 09:06.10 | marlonza | it's far from good, and what is wrong with ssh :P |
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| 09:07.24 | b4h4 | no, ssh is good but not for users |
| 09:09.53 | b4h4 | marlonza, under good terminal i mean good for simple users |
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| 09:12.08 | mastro | can you suggest a Linux mailing list? "help with Linux" + "linux software / interesting news / discussions", more or less like an international Lug |
| 09:12.28 | tralala | b4h4, system administration is _not_ for simple users, not even ms windows system administration |
| 09:12.54 | mastro | I apology if you feel my request as OT :) |
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| 09:13.56 | tralala | and there and alternatives to rdp on linux which can be just as simple for normal users, once properly configured |
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| 09:15.43 | b4h4 | is there one user "root" |
| 09:15.47 | somiaj | tralala: /msg dpkg rdp |
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| 09:15.51 | b4h4 | in linux |
| 09:16.03 | somiaj | tralala: sorry thought that was a question. (: |
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| 09:17.49 | tralala | b4h4, yes |
| 09:18.04 | arinov | okay, i install debian and i am with howtoforge manual configuring debian as server, now fail2ban installed and 4 configuration files has been wrote |
| 09:18.15 | arinov | and /etc/init.d/fail2ban restart fails |
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| 09:18.30 | arinov | there is no warnings or errors - just fail |
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| 09:19.06 | tralala | arinov, how do you know that it fails if there's no error? |
| 09:19.40 | arinov | tralala: it just show me one string: ...restart failed |
| 09:19.51 | arinov | i was trying stop\start |
| 09:19.55 | arinov | the same reaction |
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| 09:20.55 | arinov | "Restarting authentication failure monitor: fail2ban failed!" - that is all |
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| 09:21.21 | arinov | version of fail2ban i have and version from manual the same |
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| 09:21.47 | tralala | arinov, any logs in /var/log? what happens if you run the daemon manually? |
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| 09:23.31 | arinov | tralala: yes, a couple of strings without any errors, just reports about ssh and some changes in log path |
| 09:23.56 | arinov | last string: Exiting Fail2ban |
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| 09:25.21 | tralala | and what happes when you start directly the binary? |
| 09:26.16 | arinov | tralala: it is ok and i can see it with pgrep |
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| 09:26.51 | arinov | tralala: but after i try to restart it - fails again |
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| 09:28.18 | mrtnt86 | What will happen if I receive IP parameters from one DHCP server, then walk to another network which has same network(192.168.1.0/24) in use? I mean does my DHCP client automatically ask for new IP parameters? |
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| 09:29.11 | arinov | and "start" of fail2ban is not start it |
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| 09:31.38 | tralala | arinov, is there anything in /etc/default which could be the reason? Is the tutorial you're following debian specific? |
| 09:32.29 | tralala | mrtnt86, is this debian related? |
| 09:32.30 | arinov | tralala: yes, tutorial is howtoforge's perfect debian 6 server |
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| 09:33.20 | arinov | last i made is 4 config files in /etc/fail2ban/filter.d/ directory |
| 09:33.39 | arinov | the next step must start this daemon but it failes |
| 09:33.54 | colo-work | so howtoforge STILL hasn't been renamed to howtocrapyourself? :p |
| 09:33.57 | tralala | arinov, anything in /etc/default? |
| 09:34.14 | arinov | what should i look for there? |
| 09:34.34 | tralala | fail2ban I guess |
| 09:35.11 | arinov | there is fail2ban but it is file with only a couple of commented strings |
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| 09:36.53 | tralala | arinov, anything that instructs the service not to start? |
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| 09:39.01 | arinov | tralala: every string is a GPL data, comments from author and revision numbers |
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| 09:39.48 | tralala | arinov, see what the package docs have to say about it |
| 09:39.49 | arinov | it starts from /usr/bin/fail2ban normally |
| 09:40.27 | arinov | tralala: okay i will try to ask manual author from howtoforge |
| 09:41.08 | tralala | sure, if that's easier |
| 09:42.40 | bolt | the IP should be refreshed when you connect to a new network |
| 09:42.53 | bolt | as long as your system notices the link going down when you unplug it |
| 09:43.04 | arinov | another question - how can i install kde3 in debian 6 |
| 09:43.42 | tralala | I don't think you can |
| 09:44.34 | tralala | there might be a third party repository with kde3 or a fork of it |
| 09:44.52 | bolt | compile it :) |
| 09:45.22 | jelly | arinov: Debian does not provide it any more. There is a http://www.trinitydesktop.org/ but Debian does not guarantee the packages from there will be usable |
| 09:45.42 | jelly | ... well TBH Debian does not guarantee pretty much anything |
| 09:45.42 | tralala | hah, you must be quite desperate to try to compile kde |
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| 09:46.22 | arinov | 12 chapters of compilation instructions... what a hell... |
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| 09:46.55 | jelly | tralala: well, it's a _first_ party repository |
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| 09:47.48 | fasta | How can I start a program with a different tmp directory? |
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| 09:48.00 | tralala | jelly, I see. In that case it is obviously better than a third. |
| 09:48.01 | bolt | TMP=/my/tmp program |
| 09:48.29 | bolt | alternatively, export TMP=/my/tmp; program |
| 09:48.34 | bolt | depends what you want |
| 09:48.48 | fasta | bolt: but doesn't a program require specific support for that? |
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| 09:49.13 | bolt | fasta: for reading environment variables? no. that's where it should get the TMP directory in the first place |
| 09:49.14 | jelly | fasta: most apps use TMPDIR. |
| 09:49.22 | jelly | (not TMP, mind you) |
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| 09:49.36 | fasta | Ok, so I just set both of them. |
| 09:49.44 | bolt | yah |
| 09:49.52 | jelly | not merely set, but export |
| 09:50.05 | fasta | Programs which start to compute something and then figure out they are out of space... meh. |
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| 09:50.12 | jelly | bolt: which apps use TMP? |
| 09:50.27 | fasta | A program should first figure out whether it can even compute what you ask it to compute. |
| 09:50.27 | bolt | you don't need export if it's in the same command though |
| 09:50.39 | fasta | jelly: in this case it is sort. |
| 09:50.41 | bootris | drolley is one of my favorite irc friends |
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| 09:51.08 | fasta | jelly: man page says you are right. |
| 09:51.09 | jelly | !ops bootris blather bot strikes again |
| 09:51.10 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: jelly complains about: bootris blather bot strikes again |
| 09:51.15 | bootris | i was kidding |
| 09:51.27 | jelly | -bootris- VERSION ircbot.py by Joel Rosdahl <joel@rosdahl.net> |
| 09:51.30 | bootris | pclov3r you would need run it elevated via task scheduler.. pclov3r then asign based on who is logged in.. assign* |
| 09:51.41 | jelly | bootris: bootris bootris! |
| 09:51.42 | bootris | have seen his nameon love recently.. |
| 09:51.48 | jelly | case closed. |
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| 09:51.57 | fasta | bootris: I love you. |
| 09:52.00 | bootris | 9/11 FEMA videographer at Ground Zero goes public [Voltaire] 9/11 FEMA videographer at Ground Zero goes public | Kurt Sonnenfeld : Exclusive interview | As official videographer for the U.S. government, Kurt Sonnenfeld was detailed to Ground Zero on September 11, 2001, where he spent one month filming 29 tapes: 9/11,fema,videographer,at,ground,zero,goes,public,kurt,sonnenfeld,exclusive,interview,as,official,videographer,for,the,us,governme |
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| 09:52.06 | dc_herbal | hey mates; i have a question consider a debian server: usage is webserver, mysql, php, ftp; do i need a home-partition for the server? i would use the following partition table: /boot 50mb, / 5gb, /var 50gb, /tmp 500mb, /swap 512mb |
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| 09:52.15 | jelly | kthx |
| 09:52.16 | bolt | jelly: i can't remember. i have encountered them before though |
| 09:52.21 | mentor | np |
| 09:52.51 | bolt | jelly: might not have been debian. i just keep TMP, TEMP and TMPDIR in sync at all times anyway |
| 09:52.52 | fasta | dc_herbal: if you want a real server, put in RAID10, triple power supply, etc. |
| 09:52.57 | jelly | bolt: /o\ |
| 09:53.04 | fasta | dc_herbal: ECC memory etc. :) |
| 09:53.33 | fasta | dc_herbal: the way you layout your FS doesn't matter anymore in that case. |
| 09:53.52 | fasta | dc_herbal: lots of people create LVM partitions anyway. |
| 09:54.05 | jelly | dc_herbal: avoid needless partitioning for sanity sake |
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| 09:54.31 | fasta | dc_herbal: they invented those techniques because they hated 'repartitioning', I think. |
| 09:54.55 | jelly | a 50MB /boot can barely store two debian kernels |
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| 09:55.22 | bolt | jelly: he said "tmp directory", so I assumed he was using something that used $TMP. oh well :) |
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| 09:55.46 | jelly | bolt: I assumed something that served as /tmp |
| 09:56.02 | fasta | jelly: should I have used a different wording? |
| 09:56.16 | fasta | jelly: I think it was correct terminology. |
| 09:56.26 | jelly | fasta: seems just fine |
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| 09:58.39 | dc_herbal | hm, ^^ can anyone give an advice :P or a suggestion how i could start |
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| 09:58.54 | fasta | Is there a program like screen, but to which you can attach multiple times from different machines? |
| 09:59.01 | fasta | (without detaching) |
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| 10:00.42 | tralala | fasta, yes - screen |
| 10:00.52 | Keefe | i have a little trouble with cfdisk... i thought changes to partitions fully took effect? i deleted a second partition (of four) and recreated it in a different location, wrote the changes and exited. but the system acts like it thinks it's the old size and location. my first thougtht was i needed to install partprobe, though i thought cfdisk already took care of that stuff, but partprobe doesn't appear to be available in the wheezy repo at least |
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| 10:01.30 | tralala | ssh + screen for the different machines |
| 10:01.44 | Keefe | screen -x |
| 10:02.04 | jelly | Keefe: the Linux kernel does make any partition table changes active if the disk is in use in any way (that includes any of its partitions) |
| 10:02.27 | Keefe | jelly: doesn't? |
| 10:02.47 | jelly | Keefe: first umount, swapoff, vgchange -an, etc. any of the partitions, then do a "blockdev --rereadpt /dev/sdwhichever" |
| 10:02.59 | jelly | Keefe: doesn't, yeah. |
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| 10:03.21 | jelly | and s/any of/all of/ |
| 10:03.23 | Keefe | the partition in question wasn't mounted. no swap is active |
| 10:03.34 | Keefe | trying blockdev now... |
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| 10:03.39 | fasta | Keefe: thanks |
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| 10:04.27 | Keefe | jelly: BLKRRPART: Device or resource busy |
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| 10:04.45 | Keefe | the only partition mounted is the 4th one, which i didn't change |
| 10:04.49 | jelly | Keefe: and that will happen as long as ANY of the partitions are still in use! |
| 10:04.56 | Keefe | k |
| 10:05.22 | Keefe | so iow, any changes to the any partition on the same drive as the root, requires a reboot? |
| 10:05.39 | jelly | no, just for the whole disk to be unused |
| 10:05.50 | jelly | oh... /, right |
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| 10:06.41 | jelly | this limit can be worked around by using LVM instead of traditional partitioning schemes |
| 10:06.51 | Keefe | but i could swear i just earlier today added a partition on the main (i.e. containing /) drive with cfdisk and used it right away without a reboot |
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| 10:07.31 | jelly | unlikely -- or worse, the userspace saw and used the old partition settings |
| 10:07.41 | Keefe | scary |
| 10:07.46 | DelTree | ? |
| 10:07.58 | Keefe | ok, thanks for the info jelly |
| 10:08.22 | jelly | it's one of the sillier limitations in Linux |
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| 10:13.42 | DelTree | I really thought it did work... |
| 10:13.50 | Dvorak | Anyone really famillair with Rsync? I've noticed it updates the change date of a file which doesn't exist anymore. |
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| 10:16.21 | Keefe | DelTree: ya, it's like it works just sometimes |
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| 10:16.55 | Knaldgas | Dvorak: In the rsync log? |
| 10:17.12 | Keefe | cause seriously, earlier today i added the 3rd and 4th partitions to the main drive, and had no problem creating and mounting filesystems in them |
| 10:17.17 | Keefe | without a reboot |
| 10:18.04 | Dvorak | Doesn't seem to be logged. I'm running it locally |
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| 10:19.05 | Dvorak | It also doesn't give any output. But still the file gets changed. |
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| 10:20.51 | Knaldgas | So the file does not exist at the source, but do exist at the target, and the target file gets its date changed? |
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| 10:22.44 | Dvorak | Yes. Stat gives the change date as the date that I ran rsync. |
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| 10:25.15 | Knaldgas | Is that for all times, or just the "last accessed"? |
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| 10:25.34 | Knaldgas | ... well, you did write change date, sorry |
| 10:25.55 | Knaldgas | what's the command line you use? |
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| 10:27.24 | Dvorak | rsync -uvrdl /var/log /var/rsync/foo/var/ |
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| 10:29.13 | arinov | emm.. why if i connect any device i have messages here even i use fullscreen program now? |
| 10:29.17 | arinov | irssi for example |
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| 10:30.38 | Dvorak | Wait a minute... |
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| 10:31.29 | Knaldgas | Hmm, works fine here |
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| 10:31.56 | arinov | i have hub logs top of the irssi |
| 10:32.06 | arinov | hub 4-0:1.0 |
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| 10:32.42 | arinov | this strings looks like others when debian is booting |
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| 10:33.12 | arinov | [18321.628027] hub 4-0:1.0: enumerate USB on port 1 |
| 10:34.00 | tralala | arinov, press ctrl-l to refresh the screen |
| 10:34.15 | Dvorak | I feel really stupid now... |
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| 10:34.34 | Dvorak | I was updating the file myself... |
| 10:34.41 | Knaldgas | Dvorak: ROFL |
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| 10:35.02 | Dvorak | Was doing a chown,,,, |
| 10:35.03 | ws2k3 | is nagios a good monitoring tool ? |
| 10:35.06 | Dvorak | LOLOL |
| 10:35.17 | petemc | ws2k3: it works well, can be a pain to configure |
| 10:35.18 | Dvorak | Well. Thanks anyway... |
| 10:35.19 | tralala | it's because you're logged on to a text console and logs get reported there. I'm not sure if it only happens on tty1 |
| 10:35.24 | Dvorak | Time for some diner. |
| 10:35.25 | Knaldgas | Anytime :) |
| 10:35.33 | Dvorak | Bee |
| 10:35.34 | Dvorak | bye |
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| 10:35.44 | ws2k3 | is it good for monitoring network stability ? |
| 10:36.10 | ws2k3 | i want my servers to be 99,99 uptime. so i'm look for a monitor tool who can monitor that |
| 10:36.10 | petemc | it can monitor lots of things, including network services |
| 10:36.33 | ws2k3 | is there any other tool that is bether that i advice ? |
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| 10:36.37 | ws2k3 | you* |
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| 10:37.14 | babilen | ws2k3: You might want to take a look at icinga |
| 10:37.19 | petemc | not really, people seem to like zabbix |
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| 10:39.16 | arinov | tralala: nice, thanks |
| 10:40.20 | ws2k3 | babilen which do u like most ? |
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| 10:42.06 | Milos|Netbook | What the flip is sg? |
| 10:42.10 | Milos|Netbook | /dev/sg2? |
| 10:42.49 | babilen | ws2k3: I wouldn't have mentioned icinga if I didn't like. Alas I don't have a large server farm to look after anymore, so I don't use nowadays. |
| 10:45.21 | ws2k3 | well i only have 2 servers that i wanne monitor |
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| 10:46.21 | babilen | ws2k3: Why don't you take a look at the tools we've mentioned, try them for a while and pick the one you like most? |
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| 10:47.06 | ws2k3 | well i'm readup with icinga right now |
| 10:47.13 | ws2k3 | and reading documentation and looking true the demo |
| 10:47.27 | babilen | yay! |
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| 10:47.32 | ws2k3 | what i wanne say is i need to be sure that i can have for example a ping that is graphed |
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| 10:47.48 | ws2k3 | the uptime for the server is very importante for me |
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| 10:48.11 | ksk | why? O_o |
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| 10:49.14 | ws2k3 | the uptime |
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| 10:49.38 | ws2k3 | i would whish that my toold does a ping to the server allways and graph that into a piechart |
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| 10:50.15 | ws2k3 | so that i can monitor the update and latency |
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| 10:57.09 | imtxc | test |
| 10:57.50 | imtxc | hi |
| 10:58.06 | jelly | Milos|Netbook: scsi generic device |
| 10:59.55 | Milos|Netbook | jelly, ah ok |
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| 11:01.25 | arinov | what package i need to read\write from fat32 filesystem? |
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| 11:01.59 | imtxc | akaedu: hi |
| 11:02.02 | akaedu | he |
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| 11:04.10 | akaedu | /泥嚎 |
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| 11:07.35 | akaedu | D4rkrOW |
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| 11:08.07 | GODMAN | wahahah |
| 11:08.27 | GODMAN | quit |
| 11:08.30 | GODMAN | exit |
| 11:08.43 | akaedu | 吊丝有没有 |
| 11:09.40 | arinov | mpd+ncmcpp rules |
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| 11:10.06 | epsilon | akaedu: this is not utf testchamber |
| 11:11.31 | akaedu | epsilon: hi |
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| 11:18.16 | Milos|Netbook | what package contains ifconfig |
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| 11:18.38 | Milos|Netbook | never mind it comes by default |
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| 11:28.57 | narcislinux | hi, i chroot to my debian (from ubuntu) and now i cant install any things in debian! what is problem? |
| 11:30.13 | mosno | narcislinux, how about pastebinning some error messages |
| 11:30.23 | narcislinux | w8 |
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| 11:32.12 | babilen | narcislinux: Please also include the procedure that you use for chrooting and the exact commands that fail - For example: Are you bind-mounting /dev or /proc into the chroot? |
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| 11:38.17 | tralala | arinov, dosutils or some such |
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| 11:38.42 | narcislinux | mosno: babilen : http://paste.ubuntu.com/864914/ |
| 11:39.57 | narcislinux | babilen: i use this "sudo chroot /media/2d0b1bed-05e3-4f1c-8cd1-a8cf59dbde86" |
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| 11:41.59 | babilen | narcislinux: See #191309 and #344307 -- You also didn't include the complete chrooting procedure in that paste and I can only guess that you forgot to bind mount /dev into the chroot (/proc maybe too) |
| 11:42.33 | babilen | narcislinux: Ah, in case that wasn't clear: Those are references to bugs in our bug database that you can query on http://bugs.debian.org |
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| 11:43.20 | guardian | hi does someone run squeeze as xen dom0, with kernel 3.2? |
| 11:43.32 | guardian | i didn't find a xen 3.2 kernel in backports |
| 11:43.41 | babilen | guardian: Xen has been merged into mainline |
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| 11:44.36 | guardian | oh so i can replace my linux-image-2.6.32-5-xen-686 with linux-image-3.2.0-0.bpo.1-686-pae ? |
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| 11:45.21 | babilen | guardian: yes |
| 11:45.35 | guardian | nice |
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| 11:58.10 | Lint | there's no network manager? |
| 11:58.58 | babilen | Lint: Why not? And where exactly is "there" ? |
| 11:59.27 | Lint | in debian, cannot see it, but network's up |
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| 12:00.05 | __name__ | There's a network manager in Debian testing at least, that's all I know. |
| 12:00.18 | babilen | ,versions network-manager |
| 12:00.19 | judd | Package: network-manager on i386 -- lenny: 0.6.6-3; lenny-backports: 0.7.3-1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 0.8.1-6+squeeze1; squeeze-backports: 0.8.4.0-2~bpo60+1; sid: 0.9.2.0-2; wheezy: 0.9.2.0-2 |
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| 12:00.39 | babilen | nm is in all relevant releases right now -- What exactly is your problem Lint? |
| 12:00.48 | kripz | are there any distributed file transfering programs? ftp is not maxxing my connection and i have the same data on multiple servers |
| 12:02.54 | Lint | i don't have network-manager package installed; I just find out that there;s no control to connect wireless |
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| 12:04.05 | babilen | Lint: You can install network-manager if you want to use it -- For example: "apt-get install network-manager-gnome" would be a sensible choice if you use gnome. Make sure you read /usr/share/doc/network-manager/README.Debian and http://wiki.debian.org/NetworkManager |
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| 12:04.43 | babilen | Lint: Do you have to switch between multiple wireless networks? How is your network configured right now? |
| 12:05.16 | Lint | I'm on wired and want ot connect additional wireless network |
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| 12:05.35 | babilen | Lint: You might want to install network-manager from backports if you want a (sligtly) newer version |
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| 12:05.55 | Lint | but why it's not in by default? |
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| 12:06.29 | __name__ | I installed Debian testing the other day and it was. |
| 12:06.47 | __name__ | I chose the 'Laptop' and 'Desktop' categories, or however the latter one is called. |
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| 12:07.40 | babilen | __name__, Lint: That depends on which packages you install. network-manager-gnome would have been installed if you install the Desktop task during the installation as this pulls in the gnome metapackage. But we do not force users to use network-manager as there are many ways to configure your wireless connection (cf. http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse) |
| 12:08.21 | __name__ | babilen, I was just saying it is default if you pick the right category. |
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| 12:16.44 | Lint | but how does my wired network work now, without manager? |
| 12:17.03 | Milos|Netbook | How do I know if the wpa stuff I configured is right? |
| 12:17.04 | __name__ | You know, Linux networking worked without network manager for quite some time |
| 12:17.16 | Milos|Netbook | Where does it log "you have connected to network X successfully" or critical things like that |
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| 12:22.44 | lacrymology | hello. I'm following http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03.html.en#usb-copy-flexible to make a thumb, I've already copied vmlinuz and initrd.gz and created the syslinux.cfg file |
| 12:22.50 | lacrymology | now I should copy an image |
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| 12:22.58 | lacrymology | that's just copying the .iso file onto the thumb drive? |
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| 12:26.18 | babilen | lacrymology: yes |
| 12:27.10 | M4dH4TT3r | unetbootin.sourceforge.net/ |
| 12:27.23 | TechDesk | beurk |
| 12:27.30 | TechDesk | dd or cat |
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| 12:28.01 | babilen | TechDesk: No, that is *not* the right procedure for "the flexible way" |
| 12:28.19 | babilen | M4dH4TT3r: unetbootin is known to produce faulty sticks and shouldn't be recommended. |
| 12:28.46 | somethinginteres | what's the best way to get rid of "junk" apps installed that aren't being used by anything? |
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| 12:28.59 | delx | Hey |
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| 12:30.33 | tralala | lacrymology, depends on the case |
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| 12:30.52 | M4dH4TT3r | http://www.pendrivelinux.com/yumi-multiboot-usb-creator/ |
| 12:30.56 | tralala | did you put vmlinuz and the rest on the drive or inside the .iso? |
| 12:31.06 | lacrymology | tralala: on the drive |
| 12:31.17 | tralala | then just copy the .iso file as well |
| 12:32.10 | delx | I'm trying to build my native debian package. (debian/source/format = "3.0 (native)") I want to increase the version with dch -i, but it changes it from "(0.0.106-1) unstable" to "(0.0.106-1ubuntu1) natty". What I want is "0.0.107-1 unstable". Any suggestions what might be wrong? |
| 12:32.28 | lacrymology | tralala: I downloaded the hd-media/gtk and copied them onto a drive after running syslinux on it. |
| 12:32.48 | lacrymology | tralala: now I'm downloading a -netinst.iso file |
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| 12:34.35 | babilen | !tell delx -about mentors |
| 12:34.57 | babilen | delx: Is this on Ubuntu? |
| 12:35.32 | delx | babilen, I want to create a debian package on ubuntu |
| 12:36.08 | tralala | lacrymology, what did you copy from hd-media? initrd? |
| 12:36.19 | lacrymology | initrd and vmlinuz |
| 12:36.27 | tralala | ok |
| 12:36.44 | babilen | delx: Hmm, I would recommend to ask in #ubuntu-packaging in that case |
| 12:36.50 | tralala | you should be fine once you put the .iso on the stick |
| 12:36.56 | delx | babilen, even if I want to do debian-packaging? :) |
| 12:37.05 | lacrymology | tralala: any special needs on the image name? |
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| 12:37.26 | babilen | delx: I am not familiar with Ubuntu's changes to our development tools, so it makes sense to ask in that channel. |
| 12:38.08 | tralala | I believe that the installer is scanning the device for the .iso image so it should find it no matter what name it has. I'd just keep the original name. |
| 12:38.26 | delx | babilen, I'll do, thank you! |
| 12:39.30 | tralala | lacrymology, did you create a second partition on the stick? |
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| 12:40.02 | lacrymology | tralala: there's a note about renaming vmlinuz and initrd.gz that syslinux only processes 8.3 filenames, I wondered if it's not the same for the iso |
| 12:40.05 | lacrymology | tralala: yes |
| 12:40.21 | lacrymology | tralala: a 250mb one and a.. `the rest` one.. 7GB or something |
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| 12:41.24 | tralala | lacrymology, that's about syslinux. The iso will be handled by another programme. |
| 12:41.29 | lacrymology | ok |
| 12:41.31 | lacrymology | great, thanks |
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| 12:42.04 | tralala | lacrymology, you're welcome |
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| 12:46.09 | fasta | How do I get the uncompressed kernel vmlinux file? |
| 12:46.14 | carandraug | Hi! Could someone explain to me the "No candidate version found for [...]" message when installing a new package? I don't understand it. When I googled it people seem to fix it be editing sources.list. But what should I add it there? If I can see the package name with aptitude, why doesn't it install? |
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| 12:46.54 | eon_ | Hello , I installed maya from .deb after converting .rpm with alien . when I try to run it I had an error (segmentation fault) .. anyone can help ? |
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| 12:48.10 | CXIV | Hi |
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| 12:48.34 | CXIV | Is it bad to have ntfs and ext4 partition on one extended partition? |
| 12:48.54 | babilen | CXIV: no |
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| 12:49.25 | germanyboy24 | http://xeducation.info/2012/03/gorgeous-brunette-milf-teacher-punishes-her-student/ |
| 12:49.27 | jelly | !tell carandraug about bat |
| 12:49.30 | CXIV | So it works the same as it would be splited? |
| 12:49.33 | jelly | !ops germanyboy24 spam |
| 12:49.34 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: jelly complains about: germanyboy24 spam |
| 12:49.47 | Arrick | can someone remind me how to check the version through console? |
| 12:50.00 | jelly | !tell Arrick about version |
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| 12:50.51 | Arrick | thanks jelly |
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| 12:51.13 | Arrick | ok... if I have 2.6.32-5-686 |
| 12:51.13 | Arrick | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:51.24 | delx | babilen, ##debian-mentors seems to be not very active :) |
| 12:51.42 | babilen | delx: It is #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net (aka irc.debian.org) |
| 12:51.48 | jelly | Arrick: that's the kernel version. The bot also told you how to find out the version of Debian, the OS. |
| 12:52.24 | tralala | fasta, zcat /boot/vmlinuz perhaps |
| 12:52.26 | Arrick | thanks again. |
| 12:52.53 | jelly | fasta: why? |
| 12:53.01 | carandraug | jelly, thank you. I didn't knew about the apt-cache policy thing. I now see the probelm, the package was only available for experimental and was pinned to -200. I only knew about aptitude show ugene which didn't tell in which repository the package was |
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| 12:53.09 | delx | babilen, good that we talked again, haha :) |
| 12:53.11 | fasta | jelly: I need it for oprofile. |
| 12:54.14 | fasta | tralala: not in gzip format. |
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| 12:55.19 | tralala | bzcat then |
| 12:55.42 | fasta | tralala: also wrong |
| 12:55.52 | fasta | tralala: please just don't say anything, if you don't know. |
| 12:56.18 | fasta | tralala: everyone can guess, including me. |
| 12:57.31 | jelly | fasta: I GUESS you might find more clues asking in #debian-kernel on OFTC (irc.debian.org) |
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| 12:59.09 | crylx | hi |
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| 12:59.23 | crylx | is there a debian based thinclient distro you can recommend? |
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| 13:00.12 | babilen | !emdebian |
| 13:00.13 | dpkg | Emdebian is a binary distribution for embedded devices. It is created by the Embedded Debian project, an official Debian sub-project, which aims to make Debian GNU/Linux a mainstream choice for embedded projects. http://wiki.debian.org/Embedded_Debian http://www.emdebian.org/ #emdebian on irc.oftc.net. |
| 13:00.18 | babilen | crylx: Something like ^^^ ? |
| 13:00.25 | babilen | Or is that too thin? |
| 13:00.42 | babilen | crylx: Why wouldn't a "normal" minimal Debian installation work? |
| 13:01.14 | tralala | fasta, I don't see any reason why bzcat won't work |
| 13:01.22 | tralala | let me test quickly |
| 13:02.07 | crylx | babilen: i wouldn't have a clue how to get it onto a thinclient |
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| 13:04.44 | tralala | fasta, ok apparently the format has changed at some point |
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| 13:05.14 | tralala | you could investigate the Makefile to see what tools are used for building the image |
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| 13:05.49 | fasta | tralala: I already have a much more efficient solution. |
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| 13:07.05 | Mygale | lo all |
| 13:07.22 | Mygale | im new on irc and debian |
| 13:07.30 | Mygale | and english too :p) |
| 13:07.39 | lacrymology | welcome to the 1980s! |
| 13:07.51 | Mygale | i have a litle question about assign irq |
| 13:08.00 | Mygale | :) |
| 13:08.01 | lacrymology | sorry, yes, I'll go now |
| 13:08.04 | tralala | Mygale, wow, what a start! |
| 13:08.22 | Mygale | i'm old shcool |
| 13:08.34 | Mygale | no like shared irq :( |
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| 13:09.38 | fragrant | Hi, how many times did you get the debian sid freeze? |
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| 13:10.01 | tralala | fragrant, what?! |
| 13:10.37 | fragrant | How many time had debian sid freezed for you? |
| 13:10.47 | fragrant | Does anyone use debian sid? |
| 13:10.52 | tralala | sid doesn't freeze |
| 13:11.17 | DelTree | wheezy going frozen soon ? |
| 13:11.18 | tralala | unless you mean sid froze your PC |
| 13:11.18 | babilen | fragrant: First of all: We have a wheezy/sid specific channel (#debian-next) on irc.oftc.net -- I also don't experience any freezes on sid, do you? |
| 13:11.18 | Mygale | freeze is next stable? |
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| 13:11.54 | babilen | Mygale: No, that would be wheezy, but I guess that fragrant means system freezes and not the freeze before a release |
| 13:12.03 | fragrant | babilen: No i didn't experience any freeze for now. |
| 13:12.20 | fragrant | But someone from here told that sid can be freezed or broken? |
| 13:12.44 | fragrant | some said sid can break the system. |
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| 13:13.03 | tralala | fragrant, sid can be broken in many ways but system crashes is not usual |
| 13:13.14 | babilen | fragrant: sid may (and will) break, yes. Please read http://wiki.debian.org/DebianUnstable |
| 13:13.45 | tralala | fragrant, most probably you will expirience problems when you upgrade your packages at some point |
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| 13:14.47 | DelTree | of course if upgrading one package wants to remove 50 packages... better not continue... ^_^ |
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| 13:15.48 | fragrant | Does anyone use sid here? |
| 13:16.12 | faissal | hi guys i have an interesting question, how do you flash your bios on linux when the utility provided by the manufacturer is designed to work on windows ? |
| 13:16.12 | tralala | fragrant, some do. Are you making a poll? |
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| 13:16.59 | faissal | i always wanted to know, especially now that i have to do it |
| 13:17.04 | tralala | faissal, there's no general approach. dosemu might work |
| 13:17.06 | fragrant | If something is broken in sid, how can i fix it? someone told about debugging, but i could not understand how to debug |
| 13:17.15 | DelTree | faissal: you grab your manufacturer's CEO and kick his ass... ;p |
| 13:17.45 | faissal | tralala: yeah but im not talking bout a dos utility, im talking about a windows utility :) |
| 13:17.55 | fragrant | It's a debian sid system, there is no source code here, so how can i debug as i know for debugging, ./configure; make; make install are necessary |
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| 13:17.58 | faissal | tralala: eg a 32bit exe |
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| 13:18.24 | faissal | DelTree: lol thats a good idea |
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| 13:19.09 | Lint | fragrant, apt-get source |
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| 13:19.52 | Lint | also look for -dbg package if one is available |
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| 13:20.02 | tralala | fragrant, generally the effort required to fix problems in sid is only worth if you're a contributor |
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| 13:20.10 | faissal | im in some deep shit, i have a wifi/bluetooth sensitive button, and it doesnt work properly under linux with my current bios version, problem fixed witha new bios update, but the bios utility runs only with windows, goota love HP !!!! |
| 13:20.26 | jelly | fragrant: it depends on what kind of bug it is. If it's a bug in the code that requires firing up gdb or inspecting a core dump, often there are related -dbg packages with symbols |
| 13:20.27 | fragrant | Lint: What would i do with apt-get source <somepackage> ? |
| 13:20.30 | tralala | fragrant, if all you need is a system that works, you simply use stable |
| 13:20.31 | faissal | H to the P ya'll ! |
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| 13:20.56 | Lint | fragrant, you will get a source code which you can build with debugging enabled |
| 13:21.06 | fragrant | I can't understand what you are talking about -dbg ? |
| 13:21.20 | tralala | faissal, try a windows-live cd |
| 13:21.47 | faissal | tralala: thx good idea, that might work ! |
| 13:22.33 | Lint | fragrant, some packages have their debug symbols in foo-dbg package |
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| 13:24.32 | fragrant | I installed all packaged as binary through aptitude install <package> |
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| 13:24.50 | fragrant | Is there any way to fix bugs/problem from that? |
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| 13:25.54 | fragrant | ./configure;make; is it the only way to fix bugs when there is some problem/bugs in debian sid system? |
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| 13:26.20 | fragrant | That means do i have to download that source code? |
| 13:26.44 | tralala | fragrant, have you ever done any software debugging? |
| 13:26.46 | fragrant | apt-get source <package> where is it downloaded? |
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| 13:26.55 | fragrant | tralala: Yes, |
| 13:27.10 | fragrant | tralala: With gdb>run>next>step>finish .. |
| 13:27.49 | tralala | fragrant, and which package do you want to debug? |
| 13:28.07 | fragrant | gnome-terminal |
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| 13:29.15 | somethinginteres | Why are a ton of updates appearing in Update Manager but most are ghosted and about 100 auto selected? |
| 13:29.16 | fragrant | But if there is any problem/bug with login that i can't login in debian sid system, then what to do ? |
| 13:29.19 | tralala | fragrant, try apt-get install gnome-terminal-dbg |
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| 13:30.10 | Lint | somethinginteres, it means partial upgrade |
| 13:30.37 | fragrant | tralala: Unable to locate gnome-termila-dbg |
| 13:30.45 | tralala | fragrant, you boot from a removable media and deal with the problem, perhaps using chroot |
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| 13:30.51 | DelTree | terminla ? |
| 13:30.54 | fragrant | But apt-get source gnome-terminal , i got some package in current directory |
| 13:31.25 | fragrant | tralala: Dealing with what? How to fix login problem with chroot? What can chroot do? |
| 13:31.30 | Lint | fragrant, you should also have a directory with unpacked and patched source |
| 13:31.51 | Lint | you need to configure it with --prefix=/usr option and debug symbols |
| 13:32.07 | tralala | fragrant, let's focus on gnome-terminal for the moment and leave login speculations aside. |
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| 13:33.52 | Sc0rian | how do i stop apcupsd logging in messages? its spamming the crap out of the file |
| 13:33.57 | gele | is it possible to keep the LUKS header for a partition on a separate device, e.g. a USB key? i thought i had read something about that but now i can't find it. |
| 13:34.01 | gele | i'm using squeeze. |
| 13:34.26 | fragrant | tralala: Ok, i just did, apt-get source gnome-terminal |
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| 13:35.20 | tralala | fragrant, ok, follow the other suggestions now |
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| 13:36.24 | hroi | Im want to use "start-stop-daemon" to run a process for me. |
| 13:36.32 | fragrant | tralala: What other suggestions? |
| 13:36.41 | hroi | Is it reasonable to run start-stop-daemon as user? |
| 13:36.49 | tralala | Sc0rian, you could either change it's configuration to reduce logging (if it supports it) or instruct syslog to ignore it |
| 13:37.20 | Sc0rian | in /etc/sysctl.conf> |
| 13:37.21 | Sc0rian | ? |
| 13:37.36 | tralala | fragrant, the ones other people gave you recently |
| 13:37.52 | tralala | Sc0rian, no |
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| 13:38.03 | Sc0rian | logrotat.d/ |
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| 13:38.09 | tralala | no |
| 13:38.11 | juicy | hi, I want to know how to ssh tunnel with putty to my debian server |
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| 13:38.57 | tralala | juicy, from the connecton->ssh->tunnels screen |
| 13:39.09 | fragrant | tralala: Lint's ? |
| 13:39.25 | juicy | tralala: yeah, but what do I put in there ? |
| 13:39.33 | juicy | tralala: :p I got that far |
| 13:39.42 | Arrick | !tell arrick about LAMP |
| 13:39.54 | juicy | for the dest IP, do I put the server IP, or mine, and what port do I forward? |
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| 13:40.12 | ksk | juicy: just google it. "ssh tunnel with putty" |
| 13:40.17 | ksk | and youll find what you need |
| 13:40.28 | tralala | juicy, depends on what you're trying to accomplish |
| 13:40.54 | juicy | tralala: tunnel my HTTP traffic |
| 13:41.35 | tralala | fragrant, yes, and whoever else tries to help you |
| 13:41.38 | fragrant | apt-get source gnome-terminal, i got a gnome-terminal-orig.tar.xz and another gnome-terminal-debian.tar.gz, which should i use? |
| 13:41.56 | Arrick | the second looks better |
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| 13:42.15 | somethinginteres | Lint: can you explain that further for me? (<-- Noob) |
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| 13:42.53 | tralala | juicy, i.e. you want your debian server to act as a proxy for your browser? |
| 13:43.07 | Lint | somethinginteres, usually you have to install what is proposed and reboot to install the rest |
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| 13:43.54 | juicy | ksk: I would, but the internet here isnt working |
| 13:44.23 | juicy | tralala: yeah, basically, and I would usually google it, but the damned school proxy which I need to access the internet isnt working, so dont link me please :) |
| 13:44.28 | fragrant | Arrick: Was that for me? |
| 13:45.24 | tralala | juicy, is putty working if internet isn't? Have you established an ssh connection already? |
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| 13:45.41 | juicy | tralala: yeah, and IRC is too, its just the HTTP proxy that isnt |
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| 13:46.13 | Arrick | yes fragrant |
| 13:46.23 | wide_awake | anyone know how I can force the screen back on after closing and reopening the laptop lid? The system still responds to keyboard etc (and I can ssh in), but the screen stays black. |
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| 13:46.32 | wide_awake | console-only, btw |
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| 13:46.48 | fragrant | Hi, How can i set screen resolution to 1024x768 ? |
| 13:46.53 | fragrant | debian sid |
| 13:46.54 | tralala | juicy, then you need dynamic forward on a port of your liking. Then instruct your browser to use socks 5 proxy on localhost:yourdynamicport |
| 13:47.51 | juicy | tralala: and when I save the config, it doesnt save the tunnel :3 |
| 13:48.06 | Arrick | I used to block putty from being able to run because of people bypassing my web security tralala lol |
| 13:48.10 | juicy | oh, yeah it does |
| 13:48.12 | juicy | nvm |
| 13:48.57 | juicy | tralala: so the source port would be 6969 and then the destination would be.. ? |
| 13:49.06 | Arrick | 80 |
| 13:49.07 | tralala | wide_awake, if it doesn't come back on its own chances are it's a driver problem and you'll need to restart. If you were using X changing to console and back might have helped |
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| 13:49.43 | tralala | wide_awake, you could try to change the vga mode of the screen. There was a tool for doing it, but I don't remember which one. |
| 13:49.45 | wide_awake | tralala, :( do you know if there's a way to prevent it from powering down the display? |
| 13:49.50 | juicy | Arrick: and the destination would be like server.ip:80 ? |
| 13:50.17 | wide_awake | tralala, the normal console blanking after idle works fine... if it did the same thing when the lid closed, that'd be perfect |
| 13:50.20 | tralala | juicy, dynamic forwarding doesn't have source and destination. Focus on your screen. |
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| 13:50.40 | Arrick | juicy, http://oldsite.precedence.co.uk/nc/putty.html |
| 13:50.45 | fragrant | Hi, How can i set screen resolution to 1024x768 on debian sid? |
| 13:50.49 | fragrant | X -configure ?? |
| 13:50.52 | juicy | Arrick: internet not working |
| 13:50.57 | Arrick | lol |
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| 13:51.05 | Arrick | yet you are on irc |
| 13:51.10 | Arrick | thats funny |
| 13:51.10 | juicy | tralala: ... if I try to save as just dynamic, it asks for source and destination |
| 13:51.22 | juicy | Arrick: the HTTP forced proxy at school isnt working |
| 13:51.27 | Arrick | lol |
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| 13:52.09 | tralala | wide_awake, perhaps you can tweak some config to ignore the acpi lid close event |
| 13:52.18 | tralala | juicy, only specify source |
| 13:52.27 | juicy | tralala: mmk, still doesnt work |
| 13:52.38 | wide_awake | tralala, any idea where to set that? |
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| 13:54.16 | tralala | wide_awake, I only know that it can be done, not details on how to do it. You should be able to find something online. |
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| 13:54.56 | juicy | tralala: No data received |
| 13:54.56 | juicy | Unable to load the web page because the server sent no data. |
| 13:55.24 | tralala | juicy, it works for me with firefox |
| 13:55.36 | wide_awake | tralala, k, I'll google. thx. |
| 13:55.44 | tralala | wide_awake, you're welcome |
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| 13:58.56 | fragrant | In /etc/X11/ , i ran , Xorg -configure, but it's not creating xorg.conf, why? |
| 13:59.28 | fragrant | I got fatal error, make sure the X is not running |
| 13:59.31 | crylx | anybody having experiences in upgrading/hacking a hp thinpro with debian 5.0.5? |
| 13:59.43 | fragrant | How can i check if the X is running or not? |
| 13:59.45 | Arrick | is vncserver automatically installed in debian? |
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| 13:59.57 | babilen | Arrick: No |
| 14:00.27 | fragrant | Can anyone answer? |
| 14:00.44 | juicy | tralala: I shall try with firefox now :3 |
| 14:00.46 | tralala | fragrant, are you using gnome? |
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| 14:01.26 | DelTree | tkdiff in lenny, squeeze, sid, but not wheezy ? |
| 14:02.17 | juicy | YESSS |
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| 14:02.23 | fragrant | tralala: No |
| 14:02.44 | fragrant | tralala: I'm on console tty, but the slim may be running on CTRL+ALT+7 |
| 14:02.44 | juicy | tralala: works now :D w00000t,, mmkay, so how do I make it bind to another port? |
| 14:03.09 | fragrant | During boot how can i tell the system to boot as single user mode, not graphical mode? |
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| 14:03.56 | fragrant | vmlinuz with ro single ?? |
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| 14:04.10 | interwebkitteh | place paw of approval on Debian GNU/Linux |
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| 14:04.42 | tralala | fragrant, what environment are you using when in X? |
| 14:04.52 | fragrant | tralala: fluxbox |
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| 14:05.37 | tralala | fragrant, maybe you'll be able to change the resolution using xrandr |
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| 14:06.32 | fragrant | No |
| 14:06.33 | tralala | fragrant, single user mode stops many other things |
| 14:06.49 | tralala | !nox |
| 14:06.50 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the DM package(s) with "aptitude remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm gdm3 pdm slim". "echo false >/etc/X11/default-display-manager" will also disable the DM, or just hit ctrl-alt-fN to get to a console. nodm is the name of a minimal/automatic display manager (http://www.enricozini.org/sw/nodm/). |
| 14:06.59 | skilz | Hey guys for some reason my /etc/motd gets erased when I reboot |
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| 14:07.31 | petemc | skilz: man motd |
| 14:07.33 | skilz | It returns to the default Debian GNU/Linux comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY |
| 14:07.41 | M4dH4TT3r | simple anwser dont reboot |
| 14:07.48 | magyarlatin | ahahaha |
| 14:07.50 | juicy | tralala: can I get it to bind to another IP ? |
| 14:07.55 | skilz | Nah that's bullshit |
| 14:08.03 | tralala | juicy, what other IP? |
| 14:08.05 | skilz | It should save |
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| 14:08.20 | skilz | M4dH4TT3r, are you mad? |
| 14:08.32 | juicy | tralala: I have more than one IP on the server, I want the tunnel to use a UK IP instead of the french one |
| 14:08.34 | jubo2 | I'm having a few bytes of troubles with configuring IPTABLES with a .sh-file .. someone somewhere suggested that perhaps a there are GUI's to the task of setting your firewall to minimum sanity or added sanity to the extense of being quite the brainsane.. |
| 14:08.34 | M4dH4TT3r | no |
| 14:08.38 | M4dH4TT3r | just woke up |
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| 14:09.47 | jubo2 | So I googel "iptables linux firewall GUI" but not quite now, now I sip proper lager |
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| 14:10.41 | jubo2 | brainsane == ban anything that isn't explicitly allowed |
| 14:10.54 | jubo2 | actually.. |
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| 14:11.44 | jubo2 | what brainsane means is widely interpreted as bra-insane ( Swedish speaking style ) or brain-sane .. anyways .. |
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| 14:14.49 | tralala | juicy, the socks server works as if you are browsing from the server, so you have to route http trafic from the UK provider. This will affect the whole server thogh, not just your browsing |
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| 14:15.52 | juicy | tralala: the IP is configged into the server, but the thing doesnt work |
| 14:16.01 | sterna | hi, where did cciss devices go in wheezy? |
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| 14:16.07 | sterna | i can't check my array status |
| 14:16.13 | juicy | juicy: I just want to bind it |
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| 14:16.41 | tralala | juicy, you cant bind outgoing traffic |
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| 14:16.52 | tralala | you rount outgoing traffic |
| 14:16.56 | tralala | route |
| 14:17.13 | juicy | alright, and how do I route it to the other IP ? |
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| 14:18.13 | tralala | juicy, /msg dpkg lartc |
| 14:18.45 | juicy | mmmk, thanks |
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| 14:19.33 | crazydip | how do i find out what console font is being used? |
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| 14:20.34 | tralala | crazydip, the default unless configured otherwise |
| 14:20.50 | sterna | i can see the hpsa module loaded |
| 14:21.02 | crazydip | tralala, then how do i check what the default console font is? |
| 14:21.53 | tralala | man loadfont... or something like that |
| 14:22.07 | tralala | assuming console doesn't mean x terminal |
| 14:22.14 | meta-coder | Synaptic: "Something wicked happened resolving 'ftp.jp.debian.org:http'" |
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| 14:24.04 | crazydip | tralala, well, i would like to find out what both are set to (console and x term) by default |
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| 14:24.38 | dorong | I've created a RAID10 array using mdadm on /dev/md0 and haven't created a filesystem on it (nor an lvm volume over it) before I restarted the machine (ubuntu 11.10), and after the restart the device was name /dev/md127 instead of the /dev/md0 it was created as. anybody has any idea why ? |
| 14:24.42 | Lint | crazydip, man console-setup may yield some clues |
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| 14:26.08 | tralala | crazydip, for the console there's a utility that loads the default font. The man page of this utility will tell you which and where the default font is. |
| 14:26.42 | tralala | for X terminals there isn't system-wide default font. Each terminal has font settings of its onw |
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| 14:27.42 | fragrant | Hi, |
| 14:27.55 | fragrant | aptitude source <package> , is there anything like that? |
| 14:28.38 | fragrant | I know about apt-get source <package> |
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| 14:29.32 | crazygir | http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=75112 <---- is h.264 codec support possible for iceweasel on squeeze? |
| 14:29.57 | tralala | fragrant, aptitude doesn't handle sources. Isn't apt-get good enough? |
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| 14:30.12 | fragrant | aptitude good for me |
| 14:30.40 | tralala | it doesn't handle sources |
| 14:30.51 | fragrant | ok |
| 14:30.55 | meta-coder | how do I conveniently install packages from the official DVD ISO images I have without burning them to actual DVDs? |
| 14:31.08 | crazydip | Lint, tralala : thanks for the help |
| 14:31.14 | crazygir | meta-coder: mount on loop back |
| 14:31.24 | tralala | meta-coder, loop mount |
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| 14:32.10 | Lint | how can I back up home folder? |
| 14:32.16 | meta-coder | crazygir, how many simultaneous loopback mounts can we have? |
| 14:32.49 | tralala | Lint, backup is a big topic |
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| 14:33.14 | Lint | just one shot back up w/o strings attached |
| 14:33.32 | tralala | quick and dirty - tar -C / -c home -f /somewhere/home.tar (as root) |
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| 14:34.04 | Lint | tar usually tells something about sockets and aborts |
| 14:34.20 | tralala | Lint, however home is not the only place that has customisations and user data |
| 14:34.43 | tralala | Lint, when executed as root? |
| 14:34.46 | Lint | screw customizations. data what's matters |
| 14:34.59 | tralala | customisations _are_ data |
| 14:35.40 | Lint | does tar archiving sockets? |
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| 14:35.42 | tralala | sometimes result of hard work |
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| 14:36.26 | tralala | Lint, I guess not, but it shouldn't stop on sockets |
| 14:37.23 | Lint | we'll see |
| 14:38.02 | tralala | btw home is an unusual place for sockets |
| 14:38.30 | tralala | do you have any non-debian programmes running? |
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| 14:38.58 | Lint | no, but there's always some oddities like sockets in .directories |
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| 14:43.51 | mpfusion | When the display is idle, it dims after a given time. Is it possible to slowly fade instead of abruptly change the brightness? I use Gnome 3.2.1 |
| 14:44.57 | tralala | mpfusion, have a look at the available screen savers |
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| 14:46.50 | mpfusion | tralala: I am not using a screen saver. It's the setting: org.gnome.settings-daemon.plugins.power idle-dim-battery |
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| 14:47.56 | superlinux-hp | hi. i have two displays joint to now i want the window maximizing be confined to ONLY ONE screen/display. how? |
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| 14:48.33 | superlinux-hp | hi. i have two displays joint together using xrandr. i want the window maximizing be confined to ONLY ONE screen/display. how? |
| 14:48.47 | tralala | mpfusion, you could enable a screensaver to gradualy dim the display before the powersaving feature kicks in |
| 14:49.12 | tralala | superlinux-hp, this is WM specific |
| 14:49.48 | superlinux-hp | tralala, ok then I am on gnome. so how is that? |
| 14:49.53 | superlinux-hp | tralala, ok then I am on gnome. so how is that doen? |
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| 14:50.36 | tralala | superlinux-hp, I don't know but there must be a way to do it in gnome |
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| 14:50.45 | tralala | try browisng the preferences menu |
| 14:50.55 | mpfusion | tralala: that's overkill, since it's just eye candy. I thought there might be some setting that just needs to be activated |
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| 14:51.59 | tralala | mpfusion, it is just an eye candy so I doubt that anybody has bothered implementing it |
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| 14:53.05 | aS2 | Hi. I'm trying for first time create linux cluster but I have problem to understand which component should I use. Corosync, cman, pacemaker, heartbeat - how connect them together? And which way is recommended for Debian? |
| 14:53.42 | mpfusion | tralala: Apple did ;) |
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| 14:57.49 | tralala | mpfusion, no way! Apple implementing eye candy?! Not in a million years! |
| 14:59.25 | tralala | aS2, a cluster is a very cloudy concept. There are many different types of clusters which serve many different purposes. A build cluster can easily be implemented with distcc for example. |
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| 15:03.16 | cpx | hi all |
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| 15:03.42 | cpx | i want to ask why date "+%s" is giving me the unix time according to UTC |
| 15:03.48 | Iridos | superlinux-hp, actually that's how my WM behaves and I'm now also using gnome |
| 15:03.53 | cpx | i want the unixtime to be according to localhost |
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| 15:04.04 | Iridos | superlinux-hp, I mean your desired behavior is what I see by default |
| 15:04.57 | Iridos | superlinux-hp, my two monitors have different x/y resolution, so any other behavior would be quite insane... the only program ever maximizing over both monitors are some spammy javascript-things on some webpages |
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| 15:06.06 | Iridos | cpx, the manpage says: %s seconds since 1970-01-01 00:00:00 UTC |
| 15:06.19 | aS2 | tralala: ok I shall be more precise. I'm trying to create HA cluster. Corosync replaces heartbeat, didn't? And is used to communicate between nodes. Pacemaker is service manager, starts and stops services when necessary. What do cman? |
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| 15:12.26 | Kilian] | Hi guys |
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| 15:12.41 | Kilian] | is the CC BY-NC-ND 3.0 DFSG compatible ? |
| 15:13.18 | Iridos | cpx, hm ... date "+%s";date "+%s" -d 'NOW UTC' |
| 15:13.20 | jelly | Kilian]: I don't think _any_ NC can be. |
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| 15:14.05 | jelly | Kilian]: "No discrimination against fields of endeavor, like commercial use." |
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| 15:15.08 | vbrummond | Kilian]: CC-BY-SA is listed as DFSG compatible but i can find nothing about the one you mentioned |
| 15:15.25 | Kilian] | vbrummond: yep, that was my problem |
| 15:15.32 | Kilian] | jelly thanks |
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| 15:16.06 | vbrummond | i would assume 'not' if its not listed; unless a legal expert says otherwise ;) |
| 15:16.17 | Kilian] | okay |
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| 15:16.26 | jelly | cpx: unix time is specifically bound to a certain point in time. Timezones do not affect the value at all, they're just useful for other output formats. |
| 15:17.02 | jelly | will ignore the leap second shenanigans |
| 15:17.15 | Iridos | leaps over a second |
| 15:17.21 | Iridos | jelly, seems our effort was wasted |
| 15:17.41 | jelly | Iridos: "seconds since 1970-01-01 00:00:00 UTC" is a lie. |
| 15:18.05 | Iridos | still find it interesting that you can say date "+%s" -d 'NOW UTC' and that it produces a different result from date "+%s" |
| 15:18.09 | Iridos | jelly, caek? |
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| 15:18.47 | jelly | wtf is 'NOW UTC' |
| 15:18.50 | Iridos | jelly, so why is that a cake? |
| 15:19.21 | jelly | Iridos: because of all the leap sec... wait, I said I wouldn't |
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| 15:20.11 | Iridos | jelly, I'm not sure! what 'NOW UTC' is, but date seems to accept it |
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| 15:21.29 | jelly | date -d 'NOW UTC' results in silliness |
| 15:22.04 | Iridos | jelly, well... you can add a timezone like UTC to any time string |
| 15:22.09 | Iridos | and NOW is a time string |
| 15:22.42 | no_gravity | Interesting: I have a directory with 8000 small images. About 5kb each. That amounts to 44mb. However when i run "du" on the directory, it gives me 90mb. So file system overhead makes the disc lose about 50% of its capacity? |
| 15:22.47 | hroi | hi |
| 15:23.03 | hroi | start-stop-daemon anyone?? |
| 15:23.06 | jelly | Iridos: I can do 'NOW CDT' as well. |
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| 15:23.30 | babilen | hroi: no thanks (if you have a question about it: just ask) |
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| 15:23.47 | DelTree | CC *-NC-* obviously is not DFSG compatible... it's not free at all... |
| 15:23.47 | jelly | Iridos: it seems as if it just takes the date, ignores the actual tz, and sticks the new one to the end |
| 15:23.53 | hroi | according to man pages start-stop-daemon can take --user argument, but in description with that arg it says for killing previous instances. |
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| 15:24.15 | Iridos | jelly, I guess date -d 'NOW' is the same as date -d "$(date)" |
| 15:24.19 | hroi | I really want start-stop-daemon to start a program under a particular user... too... not just for killing |
| 15:24.21 | jelly | Iridos: which, I guess, might be useful for people on LSD |
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| 15:24.45 | Iridos | jelly, so date -d "NOW UTC" is the same as date -d "$(date) UTC" |
| 15:24.49 | chogath | howdy |
| 15:24.55 | jelly | !silly |
| 15:24.55 | dpkg | silly is probably stupid and weird |
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| 15:25.01 | chogath | when i connect to my vsftpd with filezilla client i get GnuTLS error -12: A TLS fatal alert has been received. |
| 15:25.13 | chogath | can anyone here help me out? :y |
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| 15:25.33 | hroi | date -d "last year" |
| 15:25.37 | hroi | lol |
| 15:26.09 | DelTree | date -d "last wed 2 mar" |
| 15:26.26 | Iridos | jelly, so incidentally, date %s -d "NOW UTC" should do exactly what he wanted |
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| 15:27.28 | jelly | Iridos: I think what he asked for is nonsensical |
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| 15:27.48 | jacobat | I've upgraded a server to squeeze and having issues with monit. I've tried 'apt-get remove monit' followed by removing all monit files, then when I reinstall monit it doesn't provide me with a startup script in /etc/init.d - why? |
| 15:28.08 | jelly | !tell jacobat about confmiss |
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| 15:28.30 | Iridos | jelly, questions don't have to make sense, answers do |
| 15:28.39 | jacobat | thanks |
| 15:28.49 | jelly | Iridos: blue |
| 15:28.52 | CissWit | jacobat: to remove files of a paquet, use "apt-get purge" (or aptitude) |
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| 15:29.27 | CissWit | you most likely never need to remove file manually ; except when you created it manually. |
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| 15:30.05 | jacobat | Right |
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| 15:30.17 | jacobat | Hmm... monit still won't run :/ |
| 15:30.38 | colo-work | chogath, throw away all that FTP crap. FTPS won#t save you. |
| 15:30.40 | jacobat | It looks like it's starting the service but the process is not there |
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| 15:31.33 | jelly | jacobat: inspect the logs for problems? |
| 15:31.41 | jacobat | There's not much in there :-/ |
| 15:32.03 | Iridos | dont use the init script to start it, start it directly from the commandline to see its output |
| 15:32.04 | hroi | so regarding start-stop-daemon ... can I use it safely as a user, not root? -- and guarantee the process runs as user. |
| 15:32.34 | jacobat | Iridos: I've tried that, and then it works |
| 15:32.50 | jacobat | I can run monit fine with /usr/sbin/monit |
| 15:33.20 | Iridos | jacobat, pick correct options fromt he start script... also - is it run as nobody or some other user? Pick that user to start |
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| 15:33.47 | jacobat | I would expect it to run as root |
| 15:34.36 | jacobat | The startup script uses start-stop-daemon - can I use that from the command line? |
| 15:34.52 | Iridos | well, don't expect, look it up in the start script... -c, --chuid username|uid |
| 15:35.23 | jacobat | I can't see anything in the startup script that changes user |
| 15:35.25 | Iridos | yes, but I think it's start-stop-daemon thta throws the output away |
| 15:35.37 | Iridos | -c is an option to start-stop-daemon |
| 15:35.44 | jacobat | start-stop-daemon --start --quiet --pidfile /var/run/$NAME.pid --exec $DAEMON > /dev/null 2>&1 -- $ARGS |
| 15:36.05 | Iridos | hm |
| 15:36.20 | ateam__ | sombody got experience embedding .3gpp files in debian |
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| 15:36.32 | Iridos | well, why not try start-stop-daemon --start -v --pidfile /var/run/$NAME.pid --exec $DAEMON (look up $NAME and $DAEMON) |
| 15:36.42 | jacobat | I'll try that |
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| 15:37.56 | Iridos | actually... why not comment out the original line in the start script and just replace with start-stop-daemon --start -v --pidfile /var/run/$NAME.pid --exec $DAEMON -- $ARGS |
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| 15:38.14 | jacobat | "Starting /usr/sbin/monit..." |
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| 15:40.45 | hroi | Iridos: ok, I dont have write privil. to /var/run , but maybe it dont matter |
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| 15:42.11 | Iridos | hroi, my comments were meant for jacobat ... usually start-stop-daemon is run as root - if it is meant to switch user the option -c <UID> is used |
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| 15:42.59 | jacobat | I've got it running now - but I had to modify the startup script to add a -d option to the daemon, which seems wrong |
| 15:43.18 | hroi | Iridos: ok thanks, the start-stop-daemon is running my script, but isnt returning the console. |
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| 15:43.29 | Nikh | hey guys, so what is the alternative for systemd on debian, do we have systemd kinda thing on debian? |
| 15:43.37 | Iridos | hroi, so depends... if you use it in your own script ... well, don't see why it shouldn't work. The normal system scripts will normally assume root calls it, though |
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| 15:44.07 | hroi | Iridos: my script only prints hello to the screen every 10s. |
| 15:44.22 | hroi | Iridos: so kinda strange, but maybe Ill try under root instead |
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| 15:44.44 | Iridos | hroi, not the typical thing a daemon does |
| 15:44.51 | jacobat | Ah, it's simply the way to configure monit that's changed |
| 15:44.59 | Iridos | judd, versions systemd |
| 15:45.00 | judd | Package: systemd on i386 -- sid: 37-1; wheezy: 37-1 |
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| 15:45.31 | hroi | Iridos: well, I would think it is extra safe to run a daemon as user, if the daemon has no business having root privs. |
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| 15:45.44 | toddpratt | why might $(DESTDIR) not get set when I try to build a .deb package? |
| 15:45.57 | babilen | Nikh: Debian uses sysvinit |
| 15:46.36 | Iridos | hroi, start-stop-daemon is meant for use in /etc/init.d/... whose scripts are run by root |
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| 15:47.16 | fasta | hroi: a good daemon only runs with the privileges it needs and only for the time that it needs them. |
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| 15:49.07 | Iridos | fasta, check your /lastlog hroi |
| 15:49.22 | Iridos | actually he didn't say what he wants to accomplish |
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| 15:50.18 | jacobat | Has /bin/sh changed with squeeze? |
| 15:50.30 | hroi | Iridos: fasta: yeah, I suppose if start-stop-daemon assumes root or is a bit unsafe in this context, it is easy to program a simple case $1 in; start) mydaemon &;; stop) killall mydaemon;; |
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| 15:50.57 | Hohlraum | debian 6, openjdk 6. Is there a place where I can install JAI 1.3 on the system so that its available when compiling/building? the .bin file needs to be installed in the JDK directory but I'm assuming there is some way around this since the jdk is packaged. |
| 15:51.50 | hroi | Iridos: 18�Npts/3solstilla.vedur.is��POpts/2hitabylgja.vedur.isYG�Npts/1borg.vedur.issatellite@endurkast:~/MODIS/testdaemon$ |
| 15:51.52 | babilen | !tell jacobat -about dash |
| 15:52.15 | dvs | runs |
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| 15:52.22 | hroi | Iridos: those chars in lastlog are something else, utf8 ? |
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| 15:54.07 | auska | hi! I need a berkeley database client, does anyone know one? |
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| 15:57.09 | GTRsdk | I have gcc installed, but when trying to compile a program, I get "Checking whether the C compiler works... no" |
| 15:57.32 | babilen | !tell auska -about search |
| 15:57.42 | hroi | Iridos: man there is something missing here, start-stop-daemon does not backgroun the job even as root. |
| 15:57.49 | babilen | auska: In particular "apt-cache search berkeley database" (and variations thereof) |
| 15:58.09 | Iridos | hroi, lastlog is meant to be read by the program "last" |
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| 15:59.00 | abrotman | eh what? |
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| 15:59.49 | Lint | GTRsdk, you may need libc-dev or something like that |
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| 16:00.26 | GTRsdk | Lint: it is already installed |
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| 16:00.39 | hroi | Iridos: I read here http://www-linux.gsi.de/cgi-bin/man2html?start-stop-daemon+8 |
| 16:00.51 | ikonia | GTRsdk: is this on PPC ? |
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| 16:01.09 | hroi | Iridos: that default, start-stop-daemon assumes programs background themselves... thats 3 layers. |
| 16:01.11 | GTRsdk | ikonia: i386 |
| 16:01.31 | ikonia | GTRsdk: what compiler are you using ? |
| 16:01.38 | GTRsdk | ikonia: gcc |
| 16:01.42 | jelly | auska: each bdb version brings their own tools, so: db4.6-util package, or db4.8-util, or... |
| 16:01.44 | ikonia | what are you trying to compile ? |
| 16:01.47 | hroi | Iridos: so that start-stop-daemon can catch a status code |
| 16:01.56 | GTRsdk | ikonia: minerd |
| 16:02.25 | wish^ | Is it possible for me to connect to 500 websites at the same time from 500 different ips if i have ripe and ip globalization.. And still only using one server ? |
| 16:02.26 | jelly | GTRsdk: install build-essential, for a start |
| 16:02.47 | ikonia | GTRsdk: ok, so if you go down the configure script you'll see it does a test to validate gcc (it will do something like which gcc, then gcc -v, then it will do a little test to show it's valid) check what that test is, that will show you why it's failing |
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| 16:03.03 | jelly | wish^: what is "ip globalization"? |
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| 16:03.51 | Nikh | @babilen yeah, sysvinit -- ok, so there is not much of this systemd like stuff happening there? is that so? |
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| 16:03.58 | hroi | wish^: sounds like like you are planning an attack on the united states |
| 16:04.11 | wish^ | lol no man no man |
| 16:04.32 | wish^ | nothing illegall |
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| 16:05.08 | jelly | the evil norwegian haxor |
| 16:05.15 | jelly | sorry, h@x0r |
| 16:05.22 | wish^ | nothing is being haxored or whatever |
| 16:05.27 | Coornail | 1337 ha><0R |
| 16:05.40 | wish^ | its just about generating hits |
| 16:05.56 | hroi | funny how computer geeks can sh**t their pants when the us government is mentioned... |
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| 16:06.24 | Coornail | they are the world-police as we know it... |
| 16:06.28 | wish^ | wtf are you on about? |
| 16:06.38 | GTRsdk | ikonia: looks like gcc doesn't recognize -3 as a flag |
| 16:07.02 | babilen | Nikh: systemd is being discussed in depth within the developer community, but given that Debian runs on non-linux kernels as well and given that systemd's upstream is quite hostile to anything non-linux not much progress has been made so far. |
| 16:07.20 | hroi | wish^: I would love to know how to generate hits... its a good load test. |
| 16:07.21 | GTRsdk | and I did have CFLAGS="-3" |
| 16:08.06 | hroi | wish^: and ups our website popularity count with the local isp ... sometimes we win awards for popularity. |
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| 16:08.55 | wish^ | basically i just wanna connect 500 clients to a website, i dont want them to connect simultanously even i just want them all to be viewing the website for a long period of time |
| 16:09.05 | ikonia | GTRsdk: why are you setting flags like that ? |
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| 16:09.13 | Coornail | GTRsdk: that's seems to be the problem |
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| 16:09.24 | Coornail | you wanted to write -O3 I guess |
| 16:09.59 | ikonia | compiling with O3 randomly isn't a good idea |
| 16:09.59 | ikonia | 03 then |
| 16:10.01 | ikonia | evne |
| 16:10.04 | babilen | Nikh: The lates iteration of a "systemd-in-Debian-mega-thread" started with http://lists.debian.org/<87mxgdcec9.fsf@trurl.pps.jussieu.fr> and there are also relevant posts in http://lists.debian.org/<20120221130641.8560771dm371on9t@webmail.in-berlin.de> (reading both threads will at least 5h and I don't really recommend to do so btw) |
| 16:10.05 | ikonia | ughh, 03 even |
| 16:10.09 | GTRsdk | ikonia: I missed the 0 at https://github.com/pooler/cpuminer |
| 16:10.31 | ikonia | GTRsdk: why are you building with 03 ? |
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| 16:11.23 | GTRsdk | ikonia: well I was told to do so at that page. But it appears that even doing -03, it doesn't work |
| 16:11.24 | Coornail | well a cpuminer probably would benefit from -O3 |
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| 16:11.38 | Coornail | because you write zero |
| 16:11.43 | Coornail | I write the o |
| 16:11.47 | Coornail | capital o |
| 16:12.01 | Coornail | or just copy-paste... |
| 16:12.06 | ikonia | ooh, it's bitcoin |
| 16:12.14 | ikonia | GTRsdk: what a surprise, it's a bitcoin app for you, that makes sense |
| 16:13.21 | GTRsdk | okay a capital o and the 3 makes it work. Thanks Coornail |
| 16:13.32 | Coornail | =) |
| 16:13.56 | acu | hey guys - where we can suggest Debian ArtWork for Wheezy ? - I think Squeeze was terribly ugly - The Lenny was the most professional - There is a guy - Urlich Hansen - he put together a kick-butt collection for lenny - including CD sleeves etc - I think we should revive that - and have also a professional theme worthy of an Universal Operating System - here is the link - http://ulrich-hansen.de/debian/lenny.htm |
| 16:13.57 | Coornail | best to learn how these things working |
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| 16:14.37 | GTRsdk | ikonia: actually, a litecoin miner, but it is based on the bitcoin one |
| 16:14.53 | ikonia | GTRsdk: so.....a bitcoin miner then |
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| 16:15.37 | trysten | acu: is that anything but CD sleeves? |
| 16:16.42 | jelly | babilen: sometimes it's really nice that Debian isn't able to jump on the latest tech. bandwagon |
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| 16:16.50 | jelly | [Re: systemd] |
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| 16:17.26 | acu | tyrsten: I gave a link above - it has everything you would need http://ulrich-hansen.de/debian/lenny.htm - with all sources etc - again - Lenny was the best most professional design for theme and all |
| 16:18.10 | Iridos | what's so great about systemd anyway? (Without having to read 2M of mail archives) |
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| 16:19.08 | babilen | jelly: Indeed |
| 16:19.31 | babilen | acu: http://www.debian.org/News/2012/20120213 |
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| 16:21.53 | Coornail | LibStick looks really worked out |
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| 16:21.58 | Coornail | there are other good ones as well |
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| 16:23.25 | timmyt | how can i disable mounting disks by users on debian 6 and gnome desktop? i want to not let users insert their flash disks into the computer |
| 16:24.22 | Iridos | timmyt, isn't it disabled by default? |
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| 16:25.10 | Iridos | i.e. users aren't in the floppy group |
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| 16:26.40 | timmyt | ppl here r dead? |
| 16:26.54 | Iridos | yes, I'm an effin zombie |
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| 16:27.27 | Iridos | goes back into its cosy grave |
| 16:27.31 | stardotstar | that would mean you're undead, not dead |
| 16:27.48 | Iridos | well, obviously I still twitch |
| 16:28.30 | Iridos | weird guy |
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| 16:28.54 | Iridos | perhaps he had /ignored me |
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| 16:29.02 | Iridos | although I cannot imagine why anyone would want to do that |
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| 16:29.52 | Timmy | how can i disable mounting disks by users on debian 6 and gnome desktop? i want to not let users insert their flash disks into the computer |
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| 16:30.48 | trysten | if you don't want them to insert a usb device, fill the usb plug with hotglue |
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| 16:31.37 | Timmy | trysten, well i don't want to block my self |
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| 16:32.31 | babilen | Timmy: Make sure that those users are not member of the "plugdev" group |
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| 16:36.20 | clownish | hi, anyone using fdm and having problems with fetching multiple folders via imap? fetching just one folder works, fetching multiple will also fetch all mails, but than stall till timeout |
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| 17:03.31 | johnfg | hi folks |
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| 17:05.21 | johnfg | I'm running gdm. I've got my home directory as /home/<user> in /etc/passwd, but at login I'm at /home/<user>/Desktop, but not from a tty, then I'm at /home/<user>. |
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| 17:06.01 | johnfg | This isn't set in .bashrc. Where do I change this so that my terminal will be at /home/<user> using gdm? |
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| 17:07.56 | Timmy | how can i connect to internet throught my n900? when i connect it it gives me a new interface which is ppp. through the graphical user interface i use network-manager , but how can i do that in text mode? |
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| 17:11.50 | MrMovl | hi |
| 17:12.16 | MrMovl | I just installed LMDE and have a problem |
| 17:12.16 | MrMovl | i have trouble setting zsh as my default-shell. I tried chsh but it says "zsh doesn't exist". but when i start zsh manually it workes (from inside the normal shell) any ideas? |
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| 17:13.50 | ironm | hello. Please allow me one question: Is there an option for "mount" to check if one paticular directory is already mounted? (debian squeeze) |
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| 17:15.14 | frostschutz | mount usually does that by default (xy already mounted) if it's fstab based |
| 17:15.19 | johnfg | ironm, Can't you just use df to look and see? |
| 17:16.29 | ironm | froggyman, / johnfg I just need only the status .. (of course I can use mount or df ... ) |
| 17:16.49 | frostschutz | ironm: stat -f /path/to/mountpoint/. might give you some ideas |
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| 17:19.22 | frostschutz | ironm: e.g. if /path/to/mountpoint/. has a different ID than /path/to/mountpoint/.. then something is already mounted in there, whatever that may mean to you. |
| 17:19.31 | ironm | thank you frostschutz . it is not exactly what I am looking for. What I mean is would be like: mount --status /path_to_mountpoint |
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| 17:20.18 | frostschutz | ironm: mount without arguments prints a status, which may or may not be accurate |
| 17:21.09 | ironm | I can use sed and if to get the status but is more the one command delivering true or false |
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| 17:21.43 | frostschutz | ironm: you could use umount. cd /path/to/mountpoint/ (so it's guaranteed to be in use), umount /path/to/mountpoint will then either say "not mounted" or "in use". if there's a different exit code for those two (haven't checked) it might be usable... |
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| 17:22.27 | frostschutz | ironm: you can use more specific parameters to stat to get that info more directly without sed I think |
| 17:22.34 | HSorgYves | morning; does anyone know if and how i can centralize an mrtg installation (i.e. one central server which receives all data from the local installations)? |
| 17:22.57 | johnfg | Oy! Can't believe I missed it! To change the nautilus-open-terminal to open the users home directory, just change the key in Configuration Editor/apps/nautilus-open-terminal/desktop_opens_home_dir to true. |
| 17:23.13 | ironm | I will check it frostschutz . thanks a lot :) |
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| 17:23.49 | ben1066 | hmm is there any reason to use kFreeBSD over linux yet? |
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| 17:24.45 | babilen | ben1066: ZFS and pf are two major ones -- kFreeBSD is (IMHO) not ready for production use yet though |
| 17:24.56 | ben1066 | babilen: fair enough |
| 17:25.04 | ben1066 | I could kinda do with ZFS for compression :S |
| 17:25.14 | ben1066 | however I need a newer version than squeeze |
| 17:25.17 | ben1066 | and guess what |
| 17:25.20 | ben1066 | THERE IS NO BACKPORT |
| 17:25.47 | babilen | ben1066: Newer version of what? |
| 17:25.57 | ben1066 | zfs-fuse |
| 17:26.17 | ben1066 | so atm im just 7zipping everything |
| 17:26.24 | babilen | ben1066: Backport it yourself -- /msg dpkg ssb |
| 17:26.53 | babilen | (even though zfs-fuse is not really comparable to the real thing) |
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| 17:29.00 | ben1066 | babilen: how so |
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| 17:32.57 | faissal | hi there |
| 17:33.24 | kostiak | Hello |
| 17:33.53 | scorn001 | I realize I'm in the wrong place for this, hoping someone can point me in the right direction: I've got a debian TFTP/NFS boot server which is currently used to boot Fedora clients. I've got an old Sparc Ultra 10 that I'd like to boot Solaris on, FROM this debian server. I don't know where to begin. Help? |
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| 17:36.21 | Argafal | I did "modprobe coretemp" and dmesg shows that some cpus couldn't be added. http://nopaste.info/8fe74e6d87.html Does anyone have any idea why? Or is it possible that not all cores have sensors? |
| 17:36.31 | ChibaPet | Anyone know why I might get "Power Manager not authorized" messages from my Wheezy box with XFCE4? |
| 17:39.29 | ChibaPet | I can say xfce4-power-manager --dump and see a bunch of capabilities, but then all the "Authorized" lines say "False" |
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| 17:50.33 | scorn001 | I realize I'm in the wrong place for this, hoping someone can point me in the right direction: I've got a debian TFTP/NFS boot server which is currently used to boot Fedora clients. I've got an old Sparc Ultra 10 that I'd like to boot Solaris on, FROM this debian server. I don't know where to begin. Help? |
| 17:52.19 | ajithkanu | Can any one point to me about upgrading from lenny to Squeeze.I tried to upgrade once but after upgradind when I tried to login,gdm was respwaning.Then I installed lenny again. |
| 17:52.43 | gnarface | sorry scorn001 solaris-specific knowledge is getting pretty rare - i think you need to find an irc channel where they'd now how to configure a BIOS for one of those things (or whatever it has where normal pc's have a bios) |
| 17:52.57 | ajithkanu | I tried the official site for upgrading |
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| 17:53.13 | gnarface | dpkg tell ajithkanu about lenny->squeeze |
| 17:53.18 | johnfg | hey again. |
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| 17:53.39 | johnfg | is gnome 3 latest available for squeeze through squeeze-backports? |
| 17:54.42 | johnfg | nevermind. dpkg told me about it. |
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| 17:55.51 | Guest30958 | what does the dot mean before a file or directory name |
| 17:56.22 | Guest30958 | such as .macromedia |
| 17:57.03 | _0bitcount | Guest11026, it is a hidden (normally not visible) file. |
| 17:57.37 | _0bitcount | I mean Guest30958------^ |
| 17:57.56 | Guest30958 | got it |
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| 17:59.32 | Guest30958 | I still dont see this file ~/.macromedia |
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| 18:00.25 | ajithkanu | I once tried to install Aqueeze from internet using "netinsta".But first stage of installation went well.But When I was to install boot loder it failed.GRUB2 did not Identify my Lenny on prmary Master. |
| 18:01.39 | neersighted | /clear |
| 18:01.43 | andre1 | :P |
| 18:01.44 | neersighted | oops |
| 18:01.45 | neersighted | fail |
| 18:01.48 | andre1 | :D |
| 18:02.01 | neersighted | you try to /clear 68 channels |
| 18:02.06 | neersighted | and see if you make a typo :D |
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| 18:02.42 | jelly-home | you try to follow 68 channels, and see if you keep the sanity |
| 18:02.54 | andre1 | no way |
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| 18:03.30 | neersighted | lol |
| 18:03.56 | acu | I am installing Debian-Wheezy daily AMD (from today) - Netinstall - and at 57% installation - it stalls - it is at postinstallation trigger initramfs-tools -if I go to CTRL F4 - I get the message that dpkg was interupted - and I should run mannually dpkg --configure - a where should I do that ? |
| 18:05.02 | jelly-home | acu: there ought to be a shell at Ctrl-Alt-F2 or F3, open it, chroot into the target mountpoint, and do it there |
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| 18:05.44 | jelly-home | if you can't follow what I just said you probably shouldn't be testing the daily installer |
| 18:05.47 | jelly-home | <g> |
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| 18:07.03 | tuXEr | Hi Guys |
| 18:07.20 | tuXEr | Anyone who have worked on DirectAdmin tool |
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| 18:07.53 | tuXEr | Is it free or licensed version? |
| 18:07.57 | ajithkanu | I really liked Lenny.It is sad that I have to move on to Squeeze,eventually |
| 18:08.38 | tuXEr | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:08.58 | acu | jelly-home: so I chroot / ? |
| 18:09.21 | andre1 | inshellption |
| 18:09.34 | pozic | Can you please give me some advice as to how I can use Debian site-start ecb code with an Emacs which is built from source? |
| 18:09.51 | pozic | Specifically one which is not a 'Debian package'. |
| 18:10.11 | pozic | One refers to Emacs. The Debian ecb package is installed. |
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| 18:10.16 | jelly-home | acu: use "mount" or "df" to figure out where the installation disk is mounted -- there chroot in there |
| 18:10.22 | jelly-home | then* chroot in there |
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| 18:12.34 | scorn001 | gnarface: thanks. I think I can figure that part out (the SunMonitor it's called). My issue is how to I get the installed image onto the server (installer has to be run from Sun hardware I beleive) so maybe it installs over NFS? |
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| 18:14.30 | gnarface | scorn001: i can't say. maybe you could install it on the sun hardware then just copy the installed image over? |
| 18:15.07 | gnarface | scorn001: installing over nfs sounds like an interesting approach - can't say if that will actually work though but it might |
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| 18:16.05 | scorn001 | gnarface: yeah, I think I'm in for some trail and error. |
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| 18:18.53 | acu | jelly-home: I did df -h and got a bunch of directories - one was /target (which was /dev/sda1) then I chroot /target and if I do dpkg --configure -a it tells me it is a read-only - can I unmount and mount again - or what should I do ? |
| 18:19.29 | acu | jelly-home: or can I chmod ? |
| 18:19.43 | jelly-home | acu: what is read-only? Can you show the exact, complete message? |
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| 18:21.32 | acu | jelly-home: dpkg-error: unable to access dpkg status area read file system only (last part is not exact - ) |
| 18:22.02 | jelly-home | acu: inspect dmesg output for possible reasons why it went read-only (it shouldn't have) |
| 18:22.39 | jelly-home | acu: are you sure that "chroot /target" was successful? |
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| 18:24.13 | acu | jelly-home: I think so - if I do pwd it shows / --- while if I ls -l it shows me a bunch of directories - by the way - the installation screen (ALT- F1 ) still shows the system stuck - do I need to quit that - how should I do that ? |
| 18:24.13 | neo^ | !slap dpkg |
| 18:24.14 | dpkg | strikes a resounding *THWAP* across dpkg's face |
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| 18:25.34 | jelly-home | acu: if the target root fs (filesystem) got read only, the installation onto that very same fs won't be able to continue for obvious reasons |
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| 18:26.06 | jelly-home | acu: did you choose some untested filesystem type like btrfs for installation? |
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| 18:27.18 | acu | jelly-home: I choose ext4 |
| 18:27.40 | acu | created a /ext4 and a swap |
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| 18:28.04 | acu | jelly-home - how do I stop the installation process - as I said - in ALT-F1 still shows the progress bar (stuck at 57it is the |
| 18:29.00 | jelly-home | acu: you're not likely to go any further if you don't figure out why the fs is read-only, first |
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| 18:34.41 | ajithkanu | bye |
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| 18:34.51 | kallisti | anyone else having weirdness with Google Chrome? |
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| 18:36.35 | scorn001 | kallisti: weirdness? |
| 18:36.43 | kallisti | very specific I know... |
| 18:37.18 | scorn001 | kallisti: I've go a problem on my laptop running AMD64 where flash doesn't run right. |
| 18:37.47 | scorn001 | kallisti: seems to sort of work, but thinks like the shoutcast player doesn't work. |
| 18:37.47 | dvs | scorn001: That's a problem specific to amd64. |
| 18:38.00 | scorn001 | dvs: ahh, good to know. |
| 18:38.01 | kallisti | yes it seems like occasionally images simply won't load no matter how many times I refresh. Also, occasionally flash plugins just "don't work" and a "missing plugin" message appears. But... only consistently and only with certain flash players (like the flash used on in school's online classroom software to read PDFs) |
| 18:38.28 | dvs | scorn001: Flash not working on amd64 is one of the few program that don't work quite right. |
| 18:38.40 | kallisti | also with HTML5 and youtube, many videos simply won't start. it's either a blakc screen or a still frame but with all of the interface controls still available. |
| 18:38.46 | scorn001 | dvs: I'd just been blowing it off with workarounds, that is good to know though. Thanks. |
| 18:38.52 | dvs | np |
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| 18:43.58 | syslq_ | How can I tell kde 4.x that when changing virtual desktop I want empty toolbar? |
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| 18:51.25 | meta-coder | what is the CLI equivalent of 'Power Down' from Disk Utility? |
| 18:51.39 | dvs | halt |
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| 18:52.04 | meta-coder | power down a particular USB hard drive |
| 18:52.10 | gnat_x | hrm. my pulseaudio doesn't seem to want to output anything. |
| 18:52.29 | gnat_x | output through alsa is fine though. |
| 18:53.13 | meta-coder | dvs: power down so that we can safely remove the USB hard drive |
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| 18:56.37 | meta-coder | no way to power down a usb device for safe removal? |
| 18:57.33 | dvs | meta-coder: oh, you want "umount" |
| 18:57.59 | meta-coder | dvs: no. |
| 18:58.21 | dvs | meta-coder: yes, if you want to remove it and it's mounted |
| 18:59.12 | meta-coder | power down completely stops spinning it. The System Tool> Disk utility already does it. what's the underlying CLI command to do it? |
| 18:59.52 | dvs | that I don't know |
| 18:59.57 | meta-coder | the disk utility is `palimpsest` |
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| 19:10.21 | Spec | Hello all. I've recently upgraded from lenny to squeeze, following the upgrade guide. It worked pretty well, but when I boot I get an error starting nfs-common/statd, presumably because of portmap. To fix the problem, I can "insserv /etc/init.d/portmap" and "insserv /etc/init.d/nfs-common", and now nfs-common/portmap/mounts all come up. Is this typical behavior? |
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| 19:11.50 | MestreLion | hi there! I have a fresh install 6.04 , and my box does not report any hostname to the DHCP/DNS server, being impossible to ping it via hostname |
| 19:12.05 | MestreLion | is there any solution without installing samba? |
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| 19:12.38 | Spec | MestreLion: usually i think your dhcp server does the ddns update to dns, yes? |
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| 19:13.29 | MestreLion | I'm not sure, Spec... it's a newly-installed dd-wrt firmware on my dlink router |
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| 19:14.21 | MestreLion | but the debian box is the only with hostname blank in DHCP lease list, and it's also the only without samba installed |
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| 19:15.33 | MestreLion | is there any configuration required to make debian report it's hostname to the DHCP server? |
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| 19:16.37 | dondelelcaro | MestreLion: just change /etc/dchp/dhclient.conf to have send host-name "foohostname"; or similar |
| 19:17.23 | MestreLion | thank you dondelelcaro ! |
| 19:17.24 | Spec | oh |
| 19:17.46 | Spec | I think you can also specify hostname parameter under interfaces in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 19:18.07 | MestreLion | any way to set up so it sends the hostname instead of a "foohostname"? I would like to avoid duplicating strings if possible |
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| 19:18.38 | gnat_x | i'm trying to track down a pulseaudio issue. alsa based sounds work. playing stuff through pulse appears to show output in pavcontrol. amixer -Dpulse shows levels. however i'm getting no sound. any thoughts? |
| 19:19.01 | MestreLion | (meaning /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf and/or /etc/network/interfaces would automatically "grab" the hostname instead of sending a "fake" one) |
| 19:20.30 | kevlarman | gnat_x: which device does pavucontrol say pulse is outputting to? |
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| 19:23.13 | Spec | MestreLion: not that google is showing me :p |
| 19:24.26 | gnat_x | kevlarman: Internal Audio Digital Stereo (IEC958) |
| 19:24.42 | kevlarman | gnat_x: lsof /dev/snd/*? |
| 19:25.03 | jelly-home | gnat_x: and are your speakers connected to an amp connected via that spdif? |
| 19:25.08 | lynks | MestreLion: as a last resort you can always cat the 'hostname' command into the relevant files at boot time :P |
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| 19:26.51 | jelly-home | gnat_x: how are your speakers connected to the sound card, the usual analog stereo plug? |
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| 19:27.52 | dvs | isn't that the optical connector? |
| 19:27.59 | gnat_x | jelly-home: ahh... that was the right track, switching analog duplex worked. |
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| 19:28.45 | gnat_x | so digital would be for usb speakers or other such output channels? |
| 19:28.46 | MestreLion | yes, i know lynks .. i wonder if there is a more "elegant" solution than that |
| 19:29.14 | lynks | hence last resort |
| 19:29.16 | dvs | gnat_x: no, it's for an optical cable, usually labelled 'S/PDIF'\ |
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| 19:30.35 | MestreLion | actually, i *think* I don't need to use hostname command, as there is a $HOSTNAME env var here |
| 19:30.45 | pala | is there anyone familiar here with the small package restartd? |
| 19:30.48 | gnat_x | dvs: ah okay. |
| 19:31.10 | gnat_x | i'm still confused by pulseaudio... but starting to understand it better. |
| 19:31.24 | MestreLion | so, in Debian, what would be the "first resort" to configure DHCP to send the $HOSTNAME to the gateway? |
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| 19:31.52 | pala | i'm trying to redirect the output of a process supervised with restartd and i fail completely miserable; when i run the action manually, the output is all good, when is started through restartd nothing can be seen in the file |
| 19:32.22 | pala | anyone can give me a hint? |
| 19:32.38 | lynks | pala: something silly like restartd not having relevant permissions? |
| 19:32.54 | Spec | are you redirecting the output of restartd, and not the supervised process? :p |
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| 19:33.54 | pala | lynks, restartd runs as root, but anyway, it creates the file, it just doesn't write anything to it |
| 19:34.17 | pala | Spec, the redirection is specified in the action to be taken, so I guess i'm redirecting the script's output (i hope) |
| 19:34.32 | lynks | pala: sounds like spec is on the right lines then, youre piping something blank |
| 19:35.24 | pala | it's a python script which i run it with python -u (unbuffered stdout/stderr) |
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| 19:35.47 | pala | and if i run the entire action manually, it outputs just fine |
| 19:36.00 | pala | is there a redirection trick i'm missing when something is ran as daemon or something? |
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| 19:37.49 | Spec | pala: let me see your restartd line then |
| 19:38.02 | Spec | pala: just created a test.sh and put it in restartd with i/o redirection on process start and it works as expected |
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| 19:38.25 | iluminator101 | http://paste.pocoo.org/show/559929/ |
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| 19:38.42 | bitcycle | Hey all. How to review the changelog of an installed package? |
| 19:38.54 | iluminator101 | the debian multimedia is the latest, i can't figure out why i am getting this error |
| 19:39.28 | Spec | you don't have the key for the repository it would seem |
| 19:39.53 | Iridos | bitcycle, it's in /usr/share/doc/packagename - but you can also, installed or not, just do "aptitude changelog packagename" |
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| 19:40.24 | pala | Spec, http://paste.debian.net/hidden/a79ade9c/ |
| 19:40.36 | iluminator101 | Spec, i removed it and did apt-get install debian-multimedia-keyring and still i get the error |
| 19:40.47 | pala | Spec, can you try with a python script with a print line in it? |
| 19:41.09 | Iridos | dpkg, tell iluminator101 about multimedia keyring |
| 19:41.24 | Iridos | iluminator101, ah... wanted to ask if you got that |
| 19:41.25 | Iridos | little late |
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| 19:42.53 | iluminator101 | Iridos, i did that i dont know what the problem is |
| 19:43.31 | Iridos | your repo got hacked, but the guy couldn't sign the packages! |
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| 19:44.41 | iluminator101 | Iridos, how do i fix this |
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| 19:45.31 | Iridos | google for the key 07DC563D1F41B907 :) |
| 19:45.44 | Iridos | well, I wonder... that seems to be part of the regular debian keyring |
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| 19:46.22 | Iridos | debian-keyring |
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| 19:47.20 | Spec | pala: got it ;) |
| 19:47.23 | Spec | pala: not sure how to fix though... |
| 19:47.28 | Iridos | iluminator101, there's also apt-key |
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| 19:47.44 | Iridos | like... apt-key list |
| 19:47.53 | Spec | pala: restartd is calling python with: sh -c "/usr/bin/python /path/to/script" 1> ioredir, which then launches the python subprocess...but the i/o is being redirected from sh, not python |
| 19:48.13 | Spec | pala: "ps aux|grep queue" will show you the sh is getting the i/o redirect, and not python |
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| 19:50.09 | pala | Spec, i don't get it, so you are saying that restartd removes my redirection and puts it outside my command? |
| 19:50.10 | pala | why? |
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| 19:52.30 | Spec | pala: because that's how it launches it's children i believe |
| 19:52.45 | Spec | pala: an easy workaround would be to call a script which calls your python file and redirects io within the shell script |
| 19:53.10 | Spec | i think ideally daemons are meant to ... log correctly :p |
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| 19:53.59 | pala | Spec, thanks for debugging this out, I'll try your suggestion, I think that's why the other lines work (i have a bash wrapper) |
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| 19:54.37 | kallisti | ah. the problem with displaying images seems to be specifically thumbnails. |
| 19:55.07 | arnoldB | is it possible to have the package (library) libstdc++6 4.4.5-8 (squeeze default) and 4.6.2-12 on the same system (Debian Squeeze)? |
| 19:55.17 | arnoldB | or at least the c++ lib |
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| 19:56.34 | arnoldB | to get a binary running. compiling can be done on a wheezy system |
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| 20:07.26 | Iridos | arnoldB, they seem to use versioned package names ... but apt-cache show libstdc++6-4.3-dev |grep Conflict |
| 20:08.35 | arnoldB | Iridos: I'm building an own gcc with the sources now.. |
| 20:09.04 | arnoldB | should be the 'best' solution |
| 20:09.53 | iluminator101 | Iridos, negative i am going remove all keys start all over from scratch |
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| 20:13.30 | p01s0nb1t | how goes upgrading from squeeze to wheezy nowdays? it's a running desktop (well, really fluxbox), that currently uses nvidia driver (from nvidia.com) |
| 20:14.13 | ChibaPet | p01s0nb1t: I just did the upgrade on a box last night, and it was relatively smooth. However, I'm not sure what the situation is with nvidia drivers. |
| 20:14.37 | ChibaPet | I was just looking, and there is no nvidia-kernel package (binary driver) for Wheezy. |
| 20:14.51 | ChibaPet | There's a source package. That might be useful. |
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| 20:15.27 | p01s0nb1t | i'm going to try after dinner, will launch a backup now and lets see |
| 20:15.30 | p01s0nb1t | thanks |
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| 20:16.40 | p01s0nb1t | ChibaPet: kernel, udev, etc upgrade goes fine ? |
| 20:17.06 | ChibaPet | Yeah, it was all pretty smooth. |
| 20:17.10 | ChibaPet | The only issue I had... |
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| 20:17.41 | gnarface | ChibaPet: - neal stephenson's chia pet? |
| 20:17.44 | ChibaPet | ...was related to my using XDM and .xsession. I needed to turn off the nox11 exclude in /etc/pam.d/common-session as I remember. |
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| 20:18.00 | ChibaPet | gnarface: Inspired by Gibson |
| 20:18.16 | gnarface | oh, that's what i meant, gibson not stephenson |
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| 20:18.19 | gnarface | gets them confused |
| 20:18.26 | jelly-home | p01s0nb1t: the topic on #debian-next (not here, but irc.oftc.net) usually lists known breakage from stable->testing |
| 20:18.41 | p01s0nb1t | my target machine is xdm free (it uses a "desktop" bash alias to exec startx with logging) |
| 20:18.42 | ChibaPet | (and I needed to then launch startxfce4 through ck-launch-session after making the PAM change) |
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| 20:19.32 | p01s0nb1t | jelly-home: I'm using webchat because this machine lacks a irc client by now |
| 20:19.46 | p01s0nb1t | can someone look to that topic for me, please? :) |
| 20:20.21 | ChibaPet | The relevant bit is "Topic for #debian-next: borked: wheezy upgrades (#639290, #638950)" but neither of those bit me. |
| 20:20.35 | p01s0nb1t | thanks again |
| 20:20.39 | jelly-home | lucky bastard |
| 20:20.46 | ChibaPet | heh |
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| 20:22.42 | p01s0nb1t | amd64 for the first bug I'm free too. and maybe I try the upgrade with apt-get knowing the second bug. hehe |
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| 20:23.17 | dvs | !wb |
| 20:23.17 | dpkg | thanks, dvs. It's good to be back. |
| 20:23.22 | ChibaPet | I'm re-reading http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers to see if I want to try my main desktop. |
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| 20:26.05 | acu | ChibaPet: it works - I installed both - proprietary and non-proprietary drivers and it works well |
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| 20:26.53 | ChibaPet | I'll probably give it a shot then. I'll do some pre-attempt pruning first. |
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| 20:31.06 | bradland | The man page for munin-node.conf mentions two directories, node.d/ and node-conf.d/, but these are not created by the Debian 6 munin-node package. Does anyone know if the Debian munin-node install loads from these locations if I were to create them? |
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| 20:31.50 | bs0d | Hello everybody |
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| 20:31.55 | bs0d | a quick question |
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| 20:32.24 | bs0d | a file contains 5 letters, single line. The file size in the system is 6 bytes, newline character 0xA is added in the end ... why? |
| 20:32.40 | webprogramadora | hi |
| 20:32.45 | webprogramadora | i need help |
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| 20:33.56 | webprogramadora | did you defined charset utf8? |
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| 20:35.12 | p01s0nb1t | bradland: if the man page mentions it, probaby yes. You can launch the process with strace to see trys to open files, or you can directly try and see |
| 20:35.30 | bradland | well, for edification of the channel, i just did a little test, and the Debian install of munin-node *does* load the contents of node-conf.d/ if created. whew! i was not looking forward to relying on find/replace in munin-node.conf. |
| 20:35.52 | p01s0nb1t | bs0d: maybe your editor ? |
| 20:36.02 | p01s0nb1t | $ echo -n aaaaa > file; wc -c file |
| 20:36.03 | p01s0nb1t | 5 file |
| 20:36.14 | bradland | i changed the 'host' directive in node-conf.d/custom-node.conf and the changes were reflected after restarting munin-node |
| 20:36.38 | bs0d | po1s0nb1t I have tried gedit and nano - same, they put 0xA in the end |
| 20:37.02 | bradland | thx p01s0nb1t ! |
| 20:37.06 | simonlnu | bs0d: because you added one? |
| 20:37.25 | p01s0nb1t | bs0d: most editors add a new line. vi does it too |
| 20:37.30 | simonlnu | you probably have something like add ending newline turned on |
| 20:37.48 | bs0d | hmm I should check the parameters of editor |
| 20:37.51 | webprogramadora | i have a problem |
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| 20:37.55 | bs0d | thanks, good idea btw |
| 20:37.58 | simonlnu | echo won't do it unless you tell it to ;) |
| 20:38.41 | simonlnu | !tell webprogramadora -about ask |
| 20:38.56 | simonlnu | don't /msg people without asking |
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| 20:39.32 | simonlnu | state the nature of your problem |
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| 20:40.25 | webprogramadora | good evening you can help I'm trying to put my first site in the air I'm trying to use the filezila but I must be doing something wrong |
| 20:40.29 | acu__ | Anyone knows what is tty? |
| 20:40.42 | totte | acu__: A terminal? |
| 20:41.02 | acu | !tty |
| 20:41.02 | dpkg | methinks tty is an abbreviation for "teletype". More generically, it refers to any terminal or terminal emulator. |
| 20:41.04 | simonlnu | !ask |
| 20:41.11 | simonlnu | !ask |
| 20:41.12 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 20:41.38 | acu | acu__, why are you taking my nick ? |
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| 20:42.03 | acu | lol |
| 20:42.32 | webprogramadora | good evening you can help I'm trying to put my first site in the air I'm trying to use the filezila but I must be doing something wrong I tried to upload the files but when I went to test the browser a 404 |
| 20:43.06 | iluminator101 | !libreoffice 3.5 |
| 20:43.10 | totte | webprogramadora: Did you check the paths? |
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| 20:43.28 | simonlnu | webprogramadora: you uploaded it to the wrong place? wrong file name? |
| 20:43.29 | totte | webprogramadora: Is Apache or whatever server you use running? |
| 20:43.33 | ivo_ | and also the permissions on the files |
| 20:43.36 | p01s0nb1t | and maybe read rights for "group" or "others" |
| 20:43.41 | ivo_ | perhaps the process can not read them |
| 20:43.46 | webprogramadora | apache is ok |
| 20:43.53 | antgel | hi all. can somebody recommend me a great GUI CD ripper that doesn't require gnome libs (sound-juicer does) |
| 20:44.02 | totte | Well I guess Apache is runnind if you get a 404, silly me. |
| 20:44.03 | simonlnu | 404 is "no such file or directory", won't be the web server unless it's misconfigured |
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| 20:44.18 | simonlnu | *grin* |
| 20:44.18 | ivo_ | 404 is not found |
| 20:44.33 | ivo_ | so Apache probably can not read the files |
| 20:44.38 | ivo_ | so check the permissions first |
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| 20:44.43 | webprogramadora | can you help me make the upload |
| 20:44.54 | simonlnu | if it can't read the file, it'll send 403, or access is denied |
| 20:44.56 | totte | Permissions, virtual host settings... |
| 20:45.05 | ivo_ | hmmm |
| 20:45.07 | thewanderer1 | wonders how it's related to Debian |
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| 20:45.47 | webprogramadora | alguem que fale portugues? |
| 20:45.51 | simonlnu | like your mom to you :P |
| 20:45.55 | simonlnu | !br |
| 20:45.56 | dpkg | Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 20:46.00 | ivo_ | <webprogramadora> I have no experience with this, I am just trying to logically solve the problem. |
| 20:46.08 | jelly-home | !pt |
| 20:46.09 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt ) |
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| 20:46.22 | jelly-home | simonlnu: EPTVARIANT! |
| 20:46.36 | webprogramadora | thank you all |
| 20:47.03 | simonlnu | heh, i suppose, pt_PT not pt_BR |
| 20:47.12 | acu__ | !samba |
| 20:47.13 | dpkg | Samba is a Unix implementation of Windows file/print sharing (the SMB/CIFS protocol). Documentation resources: http://samba.org/samba/docs/ , http://wiki.samba.org/ . Backported packages are available, ask me about <bdo>. http://samba.org/samba/docs/FAQ/ http://wiki.samba.org/index.php/Category:Category_FAQ http://samba.org/ #samba on irc.freenode.net. See also <swat>, <dfs>. |
| 20:47.45 | MRCracker | hi all, i have question about normal number of process |
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| 20:47.56 | MRCracker | now i have 193 running process. is this normal? |
| 20:48.17 | simonlnu | no such thing unless you have a process spawning an inordinate amount of them... |
| 20:48.52 | Iridos | thewanderer1, foster-brother |
| 20:48.53 | azaghal | Well, on my Gentoo desktop I have 123 of them :) |
| 20:49.01 | dvs | MRCracker: I'm running 352 processes (and 2 users!?!) running KDE and Apache. That looks fine to me. |
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| 20:49.18 | simonlnu | Tasks: 325 total, 1 running, 324 sleeping |
| 20:49.26 | kevlarman | azaghal: how many of those are gcc? |
| 20:49.28 | kevlarman | ducks |
| 20:49.31 | MRCracker | thanks all |
| 20:49.38 | azaghal | kevlarman: None right now :> |
| 20:49.53 | azaghal | But that's 123 with LXDE (i.e. a bit lightweight) |
| 20:50.12 | kevlarman | i just can't justify spending that much time compiling stuff :( |
| 20:50.27 | azaghal | kevlarman: But I just freaked out when I had a look at what packages the paludis will update in the next run (it listed expat) |
| 20:50.27 | acu__ | How can I ask a question here with ! and see an answer by myself without others seeing it? |
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| 20:50.35 | dvs | no! ;-) |
| 20:50.37 | azaghal | kevlarman: Makes you respect the other distro packagers, for one :) |
| 20:50.38 | thewanderer1 | MRCracker, some processes are also kernel threads whose number often depends on the number of CPUs - so more cores => more processes |
| 20:50.43 | kevlarman | and i have a fast enough cpu that i'm io bound (not cpu bound) when compiling C |
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| 20:51.29 | azaghal | Although... Slackware made me respect them as well :) |
| 20:51.50 | azaghal | And switching from Slack to Gentoo I went "Whoa! Dependency resolving! Wow!" :) |
| 20:52.12 | azaghal | Which felt funny when I started using Debian on server side :) |
| 20:52.13 | simonlnu | acu__: /msg dpkg factoid |
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| 20:52.37 | Guest319 | is it possible to resize the size of a physical volume? |
| 20:52.38 | kevlarman | azaghal: for anything more than one or two packages i think the only way to stay sane is to have a shell on a buildbox |
| 20:53.08 | thewanderer1 | Guest319, you mean like the operation described in `man pvresize` ? |
| 20:53.10 | azaghal | Guest319: Talking about LVM stuff? Commonly that's a very weird thing to do. |
| 20:53.15 | ivo_ | <azaghal> :D |
| 20:53.25 | ivo_ | the reason why I use debian |
| 20:53.31 | Guest319 | thewanderer1: yes |
| 20:53.41 | thewanderer1 | Guest319, there you go then :P |
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| 20:54.15 | Guest319 | i tried to do this before, it said that the partition has been resized, but gparted was saying no, |
| 20:54.34 | azaghal | Heh, you'll probably need a reboot for changes to be visible. |
| 20:54.54 | azaghal | Although... Software working with MBR should actually see it nevertheless. |
| 20:55.02 | azaghal | Only kernel will go dumb over it. |
| 20:55.21 | Guest319 | azaghal: im on gpt |
| 20:55.27 | azaghal | Ah... |
| 20:55.34 | Guest319 | and also lots of reboots happened |
| 20:55.41 | azaghal | I've set-up gpt only once in my life so far :) |
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| 20:56.00 | azaghal | But... Don't you need to still resize the partition by hand? |
| 20:56.19 | azaghal | I.e. delete it, then recreate it starting from the same spot? |
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| 20:57.30 | azaghal | (and lol - I thought I was actually answering on a Linode channel, wouldn't have mentioned Debian otherwise :) ) |
| 20:57.35 | azaghal | Err... *Gentoo |
| 20:57.48 | Guest319 | azaghal: imposible, it's te hdd of my netbook, there is a lot of things here |
| 20:58.25 | azaghal | Guest319: Ok, the way I used to work with stuff like that is that I had to delete the partition, then recreate it with beginning at the same exact spot as the previous one. |
| 20:58.32 | azaghal | But it _is_ a bit scary operation. |
| 20:58.37 | Guest319 | i want to install chakra only because of kde 4.8 but i see that chakra doesn't support lvm till today |
| 20:58.41 | azaghal | But I'm not sure if gpt works the same way. |
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| 20:59.07 | azaghal | Oh, you want to reduce its size? |
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| 20:59.26 | Guest319 | yeah |
| 20:59.42 | azaghal | Hm... Now that might be tricky... |
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| 21:00.10 | azaghal | I don't know if you can control during LVM resizing what part of PV gets freed-up. |
| 21:00.24 | azaghal | (i.e. freeing up the end of the partition so you could resize it that way) |
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| 21:00.53 | Guest319 | ill forget about newer versions of kde, like what i did during these years |
| 21:00.57 | Guest319 | :) |
| 21:00.58 | azaghal | So, Chakra won't see the LVM during install, eh? Maybe try installing to some off-shelf USB disk, then move that onto LVM? |
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| 21:01.30 | azaghal | Is Chakra Debian-based? |
| 21:01.43 | Guest319 | no, it's arch based |
| 21:01.46 | azaghal | Seems not... |
| 21:02.14 | kevlarman | calling it arch based at this point is a bit of a stretch |
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| 21:02.38 | kevlarman | it was based on arch, but it has diverged |
| 21:02.56 | azaghal | Well, this is Debian help channel, so some people might find it annoying, but as last possible link maybe this can help? http://chakra-linux.org/wiki/index.php/LVM (says it's similar to the way Arch is set-up for LVM) |
| 21:03.16 | Guest319 | and now has its own repositories |
| 21:03.17 | Guest319 | and yes, some one did that before, but the doc is a little bit strange |
| 21:04.39 | Guest319 | well yes, i was talking about lvm which is on my debian :) |
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| 21:05.47 | azaghal | Well, to be honest, I wouldn't mess much with resizing the PV like that if I were you :/ |
| 21:06.00 | azaghal | I mean, the way partitions work is just that you'll need to recreate it one way or another. |
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| 21:06.07 | blast_hardcheese | But Debian is the set of packages and configurations currently running; If you're accessing the LVM that happens to contain Debian, that's irrelevant, I've got images of Windows and CentOS on my Debian box, I don't ask for Grub help in #windows ;) |
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| 21:07.22 | Iridos | ##windows |
| 21:07.23 | Iridos | :P |
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| 21:07.33 | azaghal | Btw, asked this once already, but anyone know someone from the Debian stand at FOSDEM? I offered to send them over a t-shirt design I did for myself (for Squeeze), but forgot to get the contact e-mail or something -.- |
| 21:07.43 | blast_hardcheese | Iridos: Yeah, I know, I realized after I hit enter :) |
| 21:08.05 | Guest319 | blast_hardcheese: sry for that, but if some one asks me about a question about ubuntu, i will tell him to ask it in #debian, not #ubuntu, because most of ppl there are noobs and here are geek, this is why i try to find my answers here |
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| 21:08.47 | blast_hardcheese | Guest319: I don't care, particularly, and I agree with you for the most part. I was just pointing out that your counterpoint was invalid. |
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| 21:09.22 | Iridos | also, all of this is getting a bit far into the offtopic |
| 21:09.37 | blast_hardcheese | On a different note, Why is it that NFS always seems to hang up on any debian box I set it up on? |
| 21:09.46 | blast_hardcheese | I've tried NFSv3 and now NFSv4 |
| 21:09.47 | Guest319 | blast_hardcheese: yes, like what we do in #defocus, hahaha every thing is not relevant to the topic of #defocus |
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| 21:10.38 | Iridos | blast_hardcheese, there were a couple of people in here recently who had problems because NFS default changed from nfs3 to nfs4... there's also a bug on it, afaik |
| 21:10.52 | blast_hardcheese | I'm just complaining at this point, sussing out how much success other people have had, since unfortunately I'm at work right now, my virtualization server is sitting at home, locked up (as far as I can tell) |
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| 21:12.19 | Iridos | about the "they're noobs" or whatever you can /msg dpkg they don't know |
| 21:12.21 | blast_hardcheese | Iridos: I specified NFSv4 on both the client and server |
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| 21:13.10 | Iridos | well, fairysnuff... lots of other things one can forget in regard of exports, portmapper etc |
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| 21:13.52 | straterra | I'm compiling a custom kernel for Debian 6 (following http://wiki.debian.org/HowToRebuildAnOfficialDebianKernelPackage), and my patches are not being applied. http://pastebin.com/L3hGzUAv is my debian/patches/series/1+ipsec.1 file |
| 21:13.58 | blast_hardcheese | oh totally. I don't know much about NFS, so I've left most of the stuff as the defaults. |
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| 21:14.09 | straterra | I have the patches in the directory shown in that file |
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| 21:15.31 | Iridos | blast_hardcheese, you need to at least set up permissions in ... /etc/exports and /etc/host.allow IIRC - but long time since last I did that and the machine that had the nfs server (which I still had access to) was retired recently |
| 21:15.49 | Iridos | blast_hardcheese, showmount -e and rpcinfo -p are your friends, I guess |
| 21:16.00 | straterra | Heh..I think I see why |
| 21:16.14 | blast_hardcheese | Iridos: The problem isn't connecting, I can connect and map users just fine, |
| 21:16.47 | blast_hardcheese | the problem is after an unknown amount of time and usage, the NFS module locks up, spits a bunch of crap in dmesg, and the mounts lock up anything that touch them. |
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| 21:16.55 | blast_hardcheese | totally zombied. |
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| 21:17.04 | Iridos | that's nice |
| 21:17.10 | Iridos | bts? |
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| 21:22.00 | zukalk | i'm using squeeze (actually, crunchbang statler) and would like to install something from wheezy (particularly, shotwell). how wrong and possibly problematic is it for me to upgrade a bucketload of packages (including stuff like libc6) to wheezy just so i can have my package? obviously, it wasn't aptitude's first suggestion. here's the output: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=sSpuGXLR |
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| 21:23.51 | mahdy | elham⣿ hiya , welcome |
| 21:24.18 | greycat | zukalk: check to see if a backport to squeeze has already been made. /msg dpkg backports |
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| 21:24.58 | elham | mahdy✌ hi thanks |
| 21:25.09 | greycat | If you have to backport it yourself, the "simple sid backport" factoid should say how. Do not install wheezy libraries. |
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| 21:25.40 | zukalk | greycat: thanks, will do |
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| 21:41.10 | zukalk | does anyone know how to work around aptitude's complaining that 'Unable to find an archive "statler" for the package "shotwell"' when i try to build-dep shotwell? FWIW, statler is the name of the current crunchbang release |
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| 21:42.21 | incog | does anybody else get a panic when they use the onscreen keyboard then hit the start menu |
| 21:42.46 | duga | hmmm someone knows how to include stdio.h header to anjuta symbols database |
| 21:42.48 | duga | ? |
| 21:42.52 | duga | i cannot do t... |
| 21:43.23 | duga | libc is not listed in libraries ;> |
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| 21:47.39 | greycat | !crunchbang |
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| 21:47.39 | dpkg | CrunchBang Linux is a Live CD distribution originally based on <Ubuntu>, now based on Debian as of version 10, featuring the <Openbox> window manager. It is not supported in #debian. http://www.crunchbanglinux.org/ #crunchbang on irc.freenode.net. See <based on debian>. |
| 21:47.44 | simonlnu | zukalk: try asking their channel. we don't support anything other than debian here. |
| 21:48.45 | marekw2143 | I'd like to install debian stable version which will perform best on my PC - I'm having CPU Core 2 DUO T7100 - how can I check which architecture it is? |
| 21:48.48 | simonlnu | crunch bang sounds like you hit a wall, hard |
| 21:48.58 | simonlnu | though reversed |
| 21:49.01 | marekw2143 | I'm currently on ubuntu 11.04, and from "cat /proc/cpuinfo" I can't find out that |
| 21:49.14 | greycat | You hit the wall first, and then you exploded. |
| 21:49.18 | simonlnu | amd64 or i386 |
| 21:49.31 | dvs | marekw2143: amd64 or i386 |
| 21:49.45 | simonlnu | oh yes, of course. i flip things around sometimes. |
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| 21:51.06 | superstraw | so I know I can "cat /dev/zero > zero ; rm zero" to zero out the freespace on a drive, but is there a way to "1" out the space? |
| 21:51.07 | simonlnu | (yes, i can read backwards and upside down too) |
| 21:51.16 | marekw2143 | dvs: but how to find out architecture of T7100 ? |
| 21:51.30 | simonlnu | superstraw: um, what would be the point? |
| 21:51.45 | dvs | marekw2143: What do you mean? |
| 21:52.13 | superstraw | simonlnu: Just curious. I read the man page for wipe and the whole microscopic evaluation part got me wondering. |
| 21:52.21 | greycat | superstraw: if you're trying to destroy the contents of a file so that it can't be retrieved, use an incinerator. Failing that, the file SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN DELETED. Write over the file without removing it, and then finally remove it. |
| 21:52.35 | simonlnu | oh, i see. technical curiosity |
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| 21:52.41 | greycat | If you've already removed the file, you're hosed. |
| 21:52.47 | marekw2143 | dvs: so there are debian "versions" for different architectures, and I'd like to know artchitecture type of my cpu |
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| 21:53.03 | dvs | marekw2143: and we already told you... |
| 21:53.11 | greycat | marekw2143: that CPU can run in 64-bit (amd64) or 32-bit (i386) mode. You can choose either one. |
| 21:53.29 | superstraw | greycat: no file recovery needed... i'm just curios if linux has something to use besides /dev/zero and /dev/urandom (which is slow) |
| 21:53.46 | marekw2143 | dvs, greycat : and will it be more "applications compatibile" when I'll install i386 version ? |
| 21:53.57 | greycat | No, it doesn't. Writing a bunch of 1s is never a thing people want to do. |
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| 21:54.09 | p01s0nb1t | just upgraded stable->testing ... was not soo "smooth" (with some panic minutes), but finally done... I feel young |
| 21:54.27 | greycat | marekw2143: i386 may make your life slightly simpler, but it really depends on the programs you want to run. |
| 21:54.44 | dvs | marekw2143: i386 has been around longer. But, for example, using more than 4GB of memory with i386 is slower. |
| 21:54.55 | marekw2143 | greycat: so I'll go with i386, since stability is the reason I'm going do install debian, |
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| 21:55.43 | superstraw | kthx guise! |
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| 21:55.54 | bitHipy | marekw2143: if you want stability, don't install squeeze. |
| 21:56.08 | dvs | ??? |
| 21:56.09 | greycat | what? |
| 21:56.16 | bitHipy | marekw2143: etch is solid. not sure about lenny |
| 21:56.36 | dvs | what the heck are you talking about? |
| 21:56.44 | kevlarman | bitHipy: wat? both are EOL at this point |
| 21:56.54 | p01s0nb1t | talking about unsupported options (?) |
| 21:56.55 | bitHipy | kevlarman: yes, that's unfortunate |
| 21:57.11 | p01s0nb1t | whats the issue with squeeze for you ? |
| 21:57.38 | greycat | The only major issue I've had with squeeze is the inability of its kernel to identify the size of a SCSI device over 2 TB. |
| 21:57.41 | bitHipy | p01s0nb1t: spontaneous shutdowns, regardless of apps that are running |
| 21:58.03 | bitHipy | spontaneous shutdowns is pretty severe IMO |
| 21:58.04 | greycat | Spontaneous shutdowns points to a hardware issue. |
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| 21:58.18 | p01s0nb1t | I've many machines with squeeze that doesn't have "spontaneous shutdowns"... hardware is a luck thing |
| 21:58.22 | bitHipy | greycat: if so, it's a hardware issue that etch has no issue with |
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| 21:58.32 | p01s0nb1t | I had issues with nouveau in squeeze |
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| 21:59.01 | bitHipy | greycat: btw, the hardware is an IBM ThinkPad that came with linux pre-installed |
| 21:59.57 | p01s0nb1t | nothing in the logs? maybe you can find tips in the thinkwiki for such model, module options, acpi, etc... |
| 22:00.02 | kevlarman | bitHipy: wait, you're using X 1.5? |
| 22:00.16 | kevlarman | that's terrible |
| 22:00.18 | zukalk | greycat, simonlnu: well, i tend to think of crunchbang as being 'pretty much' debian, and their repo is actually very basic, with squeeze as the primary APT source. as this was mostly an APT-related issue, i thought i'd ask here. anyway, i think i got around my build-dep issue and will keep following the sid backport factoid |
| 22:00.37 | greycat | zukalk: nevertheless, it's not supported in #debian |
| 22:00.47 | zukalk | greycat: sure, i understand |
| 22:00.57 | greycat | Glad we could help, but if anything breaks, we can't fix it. |
| 22:01.05 | zukalk | no problem |
| 22:01.06 | bitHipy | p01s0nb1t: i wasn't interested in troubleshooting/hacking -- just went back to ETCH.. Etch is rock solid |
| 22:01.24 | p01s0nb1t | mmm |
| 22:01.35 | kevlarman | and about as useful as a rock at this point :P |
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| 22:01.53 | p01s0nb1t | you may want too look at the changelog of software that you use, and will find a lot of fixes between etch and squeeze |
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| 22:03.04 | bitHipy | p01s0nb1t: it is app changes that compelled me to try Squeeze, but spontaneous shutdowns make it not worth it |
| 22:03.41 | p01s0nb1t | is the machine online? |
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| 22:04.25 | bitHipy | p01s0nb1t: you're talking to it |
| 22:04.31 | marekw2143 | and one more question: is "debian-update-6.0.4-i386-CD-1.iso " more stable than "debian-6.0.4-i386-CD-1.iso" ? |
| 22:05.04 | dvs | marekw2143: debian-update is incomplete |
| 22:05.22 | marekw2143 | in which sense? |
| 22:05.26 | dvs | it's only the packages that have been updated from 6.0.0 |
| 22:07.21 | p01s0nb1t | bitHipy: well, I've had servers running 10 years with the original O.S. in a ex-job... and never got hacked (in a visible way) :) |
| 22:07.38 | greycat | marekw2143: it doesn't make a huge difference which installation CD you use (so long as it's 6.x), because the first thing you're going to do after installation is apply all the updates from the package mirror sites on the Interne |
| 22:07.54 | dvs | bitHipy: My server running squeeze ran for over 100 days without rebooting. |
| 22:08.19 | dvs | greycat: but he can't use an update CD |
| 22:08.33 | greycat | *nod* |
| 22:08.54 | bitHipy | dvs: that's quite possible. This is why proving software to be bug-free is impossible. There are more branches of code than you can execute |
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| 22:09.18 | bitHipy | too many combinations |
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| 22:10.16 | bitHipy | there's no irony in not executing the same combination of instructions in the same state as someone else |
| 22:10.39 | p01s0nb1t | recently I owned an entire network using a very simple shell script over the port 5555 (an outdated HP dataprotector backup)... the sysadmin was scary about it... remote execution as root, nothing in logs |
| 22:10.56 | p01s0nb1t | s/backup/backup software/ |
| 22:10.58 | greycat | If your hardware is spontaneously crashing, then you know it's caused either by bad hardware, or a bad kernel, or a bad kernel module. |
| 22:11.36 | bitHipy | greycat: i changed kernels, and that fixed it |
| 22:11.46 | dvs | spontaneous reboot usually means memory problems to me |
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| 22:12.41 | p01s0nb1t | testing to wheezy this night in a machine... 2.6 to 3.2 ... everything worked. Other times I've spend "some hours" with kernel/hardware issues... it's all about "luck" hehe |
| 22:12.42 | greycat | It could be that the newer kernel exercises motherboard features that the old one does not. |
| 22:12.42 | bitHipy | linux handles hardware issues poorly, because it still runs drivers in kernel space |
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| 22:14.06 | p01s0nb1t | I don't think it's poorly because of linux, but more by hardware manufacturers support |
| 22:15.08 | p01s0nb1t | when a chip does not need reverse engineering and is well documented, even with or without NDAs, things use to "work" |
| 22:15.09 | bitHipy | p01s0nb1t: there's plenty of blame to go around. h/w makers screw up by releasing buggy drivers, and OS makers screw up by failing to protect resources (the job of an OS) |
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| 22:15.46 | bitHipy | p01s0nb1t: a robust OS can handle faulty kernel modules |
| 22:15.54 | p01s0nb1t | which one ? |
| 22:16.10 | bitHipy | one that puts the module in the *user* space |
| 22:16.28 | bitHipy | when the module is in the user space, it doesn't bring the kernel down with it |
| 22:16.36 | bitHipy | (when it crashes) |
| 22:16.55 | bitHipy | allowing modules to run in kernel space is dangerous |
| 22:17.16 | p01s0nb1t | are there any of them free, that can run nginx, fluxbox, urxvt, or firefox ? |
| 22:17.38 | p01s0nb1t | I used recycled hardware most of the times, and it use to work well with linux |
| 22:17.47 | p01s0nb1t | s/used/use/ |
| 22:18.37 | p01s0nb1t | time ago I run some openbsd machines, but years ago I've just debian at home |
| 22:18.54 | kevlarman | bitHipy: there's a very good reason windows linux and osx all put graphics drivers in kernelspace |
| 22:18.56 | bitHipy | p01s0nb1t: linux has benefitted from the fact that most modules written for linux are well-written, but don't mistake this for a solid kernel. It's called getting lucky - benefitting incidentally |
| 22:19.38 | bitHipy | linux drivers have more eyes on the code |
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| 22:20.39 | bitHipy | this is why linux is overall relatively stable -- but the kernel is still vulnerable to bad device driver code |
| 22:21.16 | greycat | I very much doubt that your IBM-laptop-that-shipped-with-Linux has any devices for which there are crashing Linux drivers. |
| 22:21.16 | dvs | bitHipy: but it gets corrected quite quickly |
| 22:21.18 | p01s0nb1t | well, nowdays hackers put a crafted font in html5 and are "you on your machine".... |
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| 22:22.11 | p01s0nb1t | I always disable things like bluetooth and firewire |
| 22:22.18 | bitHipy | dvs: indeed, but it's a single point of failure. Linux needs to evolve more |
| 22:22.44 | p01s0nb1t | and have an offline network with my sensitive data, online machines are just for lab/talk |
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| 22:22.47 | bitHipy | a robuse OS has requires multiple points of failure before a failure occurs |
| 22:23.00 | bitHipy | s/robuse/robust/ |
| 22:23.53 | p01s0nb1t | you may have an extra robust kernel, and may get powned by a libpng or libfreetype, or... |
| 22:24.21 | p01s0nb1t | drivers need to manage hardware, and linux runs in a lot of hardware |
| 22:24.35 | p01s0nb1t | maybe it could be better or more secure, sure |
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| 22:25.00 | p01s0nb1t | i do not deny it |
| 22:28.43 | BlueG | Well, I'm trying to set grub2 menu colors in Wheezy again, still with no success. |
| 22:28.47 | p01s0nb1t | alternatives to debian/linux/opensource also use to get lot of securitty issues |
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| 22:28.57 | p01s0nb1t | security |
| 22:29.09 | BlueG | I can set the appropriate colors from the grub shell, but I can't find the right place to put them in the config files, etc. |
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| 22:29.55 | p01s0nb1t | BlueG: /etc/grub.d/05_debian_theme ? |
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| 22:30.08 | bitHipy | p01s0nb1t: Solaris was the availability king for at least a decade.. not sure if that's still the case |
| 22:30.10 | BlueG | I thought I was on to something after examining some code shared by Vasistha, but all I managed to accomplish was falling back to a default menu with no background image. |
| 22:31.04 | BlueG | p01s0nb1t: yea, I have been playing with /etc/grub.d/05_debian_theme |
| 22:31.19 | marekw2143 | bitHipy: but wasn't Solaris designed especially to SPARC machines? |
| 22:31.38 | bitHipy | marekw2143: yeah, in the 90s |
| 22:31.40 | marekw2143 | bitHipy: I mean that linux support many platforms, not sure about Solaris |
| 22:31.52 | bitHipy | marekw2143: eventually solaris was ported to x86 |
| 22:32.15 | wolfric | what user does ssmtp use? |
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| 22:33.37 | beardy | Where does iceweasel store the values accessed in "about:config", or, where is the prefs.js or user.js located, that holds the data? (I want to delete entries, doesn't seem to be possible by clicking.) |
| 22:33.49 | BlueG | p01s0nbit: What should I be putting into /etc/grub.d/05_debian_theme? |
| 22:34.07 | bitHipy | marekw2143: i installed the free version of opensolaris on a PC (~5 years ago?), and quite liked the full-featured native ZFS support. I didn't like the lack of apps though, and the need to port things myself |
| 22:34.37 | p01s0nb1t | bitHipy: I've been in a company of less than 100 web developers some years, and we was a few sysadmin, and when two guys where doing things with solaris... the got a lot of client claims by service disruption. So everything is relative always. |
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| 22:34.51 | wolfric | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=500454 what the hell, this still hasn't been fixed for stable??? |
| 22:34.53 | jhutchins_lt | BlueG: Usually you don't mess with those files, you make changes in /etc/default/grub |
| 22:34.57 | p01s0nb1t | s/the got/they got/ |
| 22:35.21 | p01s0nb1t | jhutchins_lt: but there is not options for colors in /etc/default |
| 22:35.38 | p01s0nb1t | any case there is: /etc/grub.d/40_custom |
| 22:35.51 | jhutchins_lt | p01s0nb1t: So one would put them there. |
| 22:35.53 | BlueG | jhutchins_lt: it seems like that would be the way that it should work, but when I tried setting it there, I could find anything that worked. |
| 22:36.08 | p01s0nb1t | I'm just discovering wheezy this night :) |
| 22:36.14 | BlueG | what would you put in 40_custom to set the background colors? |
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| 22:36.29 | bitHipy | p01s0nb1t: Solaris is usually bought with Sun support - specialists who know Solaris inside out |
| 22:36.35 | p01s0nb1t | BlueG: see set_default_theme(){ in the other file |
| 22:36.55 | p01s0nb1t | usually is relative |
| 22:37.02 | p01s0nb1t | ^^^ bitHipy |
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| 22:37.28 | p01s0nb1t | so I don't want those specialist at my home with my recicled pcs |
| 22:37.35 | greycat | wolfric: um, that bug report says that a version fixing that bug was uploaded in 2009 |
| 22:37.48 | wolfric | greycat: and it's still world readable |
| 22:37.57 | BlueG | p01s0nb1t: I'm pretty sure that if you have a background image, set_default_theme is not called. |
| 22:38.00 | bitHipy | after porting from Motorola CPUs to PCs, one would expect reliability to drop somewhat |
| 22:38.42 | greycat | wolfric: I don't use that package. Is this an issue where you upgraded the package and it didn't change the permissions on a config file? Or is this a new install of squeeze, and the config file's broken somehow? |
| 22:38.46 | BlueG | I have a background image and therefore need to set the colors to go with it. |
| 22:38.51 | wolfric | greycat: is there a security mailing list i can post to about this? |
| 22:38.54 | wolfric | greycat: new install |
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| 22:39.10 | p01s0nb1t | BlueG: but as you can see it just do what you can do in grub shell, so put your grub shell commands in /etc/grub.d/40_custom and try |
| 22:39.32 | p01s0nb1t | "set menu_color_normal=cyan/blue"... etc |
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| 22:40.03 | greycat | wolfric: I'm not sure if it's more appropriate to open a new bug, or to reopen that one. |
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| 22:40.58 | BlueG | What is the difference between menu_color_normal and color_normal? |
| 22:41.21 | capecarnation | would it be better for me to install Debian instead of CrunchBang? i don't know how to get CrunchBang to see the other Linux compures on the LAN, and it seems that at least Debian would have some sort of "explorer" to let me "see" the other computers. all of the computers use a Linksys Cisco router, and there is a WD MyBook Essential on the LAN, too. |
| 22:43.27 | frikinz | I wonder why I have to do update-alternatives --config glx after every reboot to get my opengl working. Any idea? |
| 22:43.42 | nkuttler | capecarnation: this is #debian, sure we prefer debian |
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| 22:43.52 | p01s0nb1t | capecarnation: it would be better if you're going to ask things in #debian, but as far as I know they use debian repos, so your current issue is about finding the right software to do that |
| 22:45.13 | frikinz | that's what I get and always select 0. Am I doing a mistake? http://paste.debian.net/158361/ |
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| 22:46.30 | capecarnation | p01s0nb1t, i thought "file explorer" in crunchbang would be able to show me the network. |
| 22:47.03 | p01s0nb1t | frikinz: try to put in auto mode the other 2 options |
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| 22:49.10 | p01s0nb1t | capecarnation: no idea about crunchbang, in debian there are many file explorer options, some handle network protocols and some doesn't, maybe your debian-based distro have them too |
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| 22:49.59 | frikinz | p01s0nb1t: ok I'll do that. I'll rtfm to understand the meaning of the pastebin I posted |
| 22:50.00 | greycat | "show me the network" sounds like a Samba-ish thing. |
| 22:50.04 | frikinz | p01s0nb1t: thanks |
| 22:50.41 | greycat | where "the network" means "all the Windows machines that are sharing files, plus Samba machines masquerading as Windows file servers" |
| 22:51.03 | capecarnation | p01s0nb1t, what file explorer do you suggest i use to see and access my other computers on the network? |
| 22:51.29 | p01s0nb1t | frikinz: the default debian stable install uses gnome+nautilus, and nautilus can browse samba shares |
| 22:51.47 | frikinz | capecarnation: ^^ |
| 22:51.52 | p01s0nb1t | ooops |
| 22:51.57 | p01s0nb1t | panics |
| 22:52.12 | p01s0nb1t | sorry |
| 22:52.20 | frikinz | p01s0nb1t: nvm.. |
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| 22:53.20 | frikinz | looks like I'll need to sleep first before reading update-alternatives manpage. |
| 22:53.32 | capecarnation | greycat there aren't any windows machines on my network. |
| 22:53.40 | simonlnu | yes, you will, though not as bad as find's |
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| 22:53.46 | Freejack | Okay a quick question... "aptitude install foo" will automatically fetch and install foo's dependencies? |
| 22:54.06 | p01s0nb1t | frikinz: update-alternatives --auto thingname |
| 22:54.08 | greycat | capecarnation: then I don't know what you mean by "access" |
| 22:54.09 | nkuttler | Freejack: yeah |
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| 22:54.35 | BlueG | :-( I can't figure out where I went wrong, I thought I had put all of the files back to default, except for having a background image dropped into /boot/grub, but I can't get anything but the default fallback menu with black, white, blue, and cyan |
| 22:54.50 | frikinz | p01s0nb1t: already tried that for sure.. doesn't work ;) |
| 22:55.11 | capecarnation | greycat, seriously? if linuxpcA has files on it that linuxpcB needs, then i would say that linuxpcB needs to "access" linuxpcA. |
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| 22:55.25 | Freejack | nkuttler: Thanks. Familiarizing myself with Debian before installing it on my primary system. |
| 22:55.34 | greycat | capecarnation: then you would need to share one or more of the file systems, using NFS or Samba |
| 22:55.40 | frikinz | p01s0nb1t: to be more precise, it doesn't change anything. |
| 22:55.53 | simonlnu | sshfs! |
| 22:55.58 | Freejack | nkuttler: Accustomed to using Gentoo. |
| 22:56.13 | simonlnu | (just throwing it out there as an alternative, not all that seriously) |
| 22:56.21 | capecarnation | greycat, also there is an external hardrive connected to the router that i need to put files on. |
| 22:56.57 | holt_kessler | test |
| 22:57.02 | holt_kessler | ahh ok |
| 22:57.04 | simonlnu | test failed |
| 22:57.06 | p01s0nb1t | frikinz: mmm I don't know what to say :-S there is a --verbose option, a --force one... but not sure |
| 22:57.11 | greycat | capecarnation: NFS or Samba |
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| 22:57.36 | frikinz | force sounds good :) |
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| 22:58.04 | Freejack | Looking through the docs. Wondering if aptitude has "compile" switch for when I want to tweak a package for my system. |
| 22:58.06 | capecarnation | greycat, not sure how one would go about configuring an external hard drive for NFS or Samba, or if that's even needed out of the box. am i misunderstanding something here? |
| 22:58.06 | holt_kessler | that php irc channel is invite only are there any other good ones? |
| 22:58.17 | nkuttler | !tell Freejack about package recompile |
| 22:58.20 | simonlnu | Freejack: nope |
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| 22:58.36 | kevlarman | Freejack: you can have aptitude download the source package for you |
| 22:58.45 | frikinz | holt_kessler: perl? |
| 22:58.55 | greycat | capecarnation: if you want machine A to be able to write files onto a disk that's attached to machine B, then machine B has to be configured as a file server. You'll have to set it up. |
| 22:58.59 | simonlnu | holt_kessler: ##php perhaps |
| 22:58.59 | kevlarman | Freejack: -march=native doesn't make a huge performance difference though |
| 22:59.03 | nkuttler | gosh doesn't aptitude have -b? |
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| 22:59.13 | kevlarman | it does however generate broken code on occasion |
| 22:59.17 | holt_kessler | frikinz, perl yes that will do nicely |
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| 22:59.42 | holt_kessler | uninstalls php |
| 22:59.56 | capecarnation | greycat okay, thanks. |
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| 23:00.07 | p01s0nb1t | was expecting a language flamewar |
| 23:00.18 | Freejack | nods |
| 23:00.35 | Freejack | Heh. This thing has a boatload of switches. |
| 23:00.36 | simonlnu | farts |
| 23:00.39 | greycat | !start a language war |
| 23:00.40 | dpkg | csh is cleaner than ML |
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| 23:01.48 | Freejack | is reading docs. Gone to lurking mode. |
| 23:02.25 | p01s0nb1t | should have logged the upgrade messages from stable to testing... now I fell young... but I fell dirty |
| 23:02.46 | capecarnation | Pearl is better than Ruby :D |
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| 23:02.55 | simonlnu | 'perl' |
| 23:03.15 | greycat | He obviously meant the things you get out of oysters. |
| 23:03.24 | capecarnation | lol, yes |
| 23:03.32 | capecarnation | play on words |
| 23:03.35 | simonlnu | he should say so then :P |
| 23:03.47 | p01s0nb1t | s/fell/feel/ |
| 23:03.58 | capecarnation | i guess my sense of humor was lost on someone ;) |
| 23:04.14 | greycat | "Pearls are better than Rubies" would have been slightly clearer, but not enough to avoid confusion on IRC, which is a medium designed to install maximum confusion. |
| 23:04.14 | greycat | instill* |
| 23:04.33 | capecarnation | lol |
| 23:04.57 | Freejack | bbl |
| 23:05.05 | simonlnu | esp. someone like me, i tend to interpret things literally, but i usually turn it into a joke |
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| 23:06.49 | frikinz | ok, having fglrx in auto and manual seems really wrong. that's where my problem is. |
| 23:06.56 | simonlnu | eek |
| 23:07.30 | p01s0nb1t | frikinz: you can use --remove and then try --set |
| 23:07.42 | p01s0nb1t | --remove-all |
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| 23:07.54 | p01s0nb1t | what things can do the worse programmer with the better language ? |
| 23:08.10 | p01s0nb1t | what things can do the better programmer with the worse language ? |
| 23:08.15 | greycat | A bad programmer can ruin things in any language. |
| 23:08.17 | frikinz | I wonder how this can even be possible. yes, I need to erase all and redo |
| 23:08.19 | p01s0nb1t | :) |
| 23:08.23 | nechayev | quick question; are there any other distros that are as strict to their free software actually being free, as debian is? |
| 23:09.05 | p01s0nb1t | nechayev: there was one from GNU, but I have never investigated it and their strictures |
| 23:09.11 | greycat | Red Hat was pretty notorious when they removed all MP3 readers. |
| 23:11.14 | Spec | gNewSense is a pretty big nuisance, too. |
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| 23:11.43 | p01s0nb1t | that was the gnu one I didn't remembered the name, gnewsense |
| 23:11.55 | p01s0nb1t | netbsd and openbsd also use to have blob-free code |
| 23:13.03 | p01s0nb1t | nechayev: why are you seeking other distros... not happy with your debian ? |
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| 23:15.05 | nechayev | also, how do i add a specific package in the cgi live builder page? |
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| 23:15.18 | nechayev | sorry for my noobish questions |
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| 23:15.36 | p01s0nb1t | nechayev: there was a form field for that if I remember ok |
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| 23:16.00 | p01s0nb1t | it was below, in a dropdown section |
| 23:16.26 | nechayev | --boot-append-install? |
| 23:16.32 | p01s0nb1t | nope |
| 23:17.23 | nechayev | the only other possibly relevant thing i see is --tasks |
| 23:17.32 | p01s0nb1t | browsed... it is "cgipackages.list.chroot:" |
| 23:17.52 | BlueG | How can I restore the default configuration for grub2? |
| 23:18.02 | p01s0nb1t | it seems the lavel is broken, but use that field |
| 23:18.26 | BlueG | I can't seem to find where I have messed it up, so perhaps I should restore it to default before I continue trying to get it to do what I want. |
| 23:18.57 | nechayev | p01s0n was that info for me? |
| 23:19.04 | p01s0nb1t | BlueG: files in /etc/grub.d/ ? try to reinstall grub-common |
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| 23:19.40 | p01s0nb1t | nechayev: yes sorry, the lavel of the form field looks bad, but it should be such field "cgipackages.list.chroot:" |
| 23:19.47 | p01s0nb1t | label |
| 23:20.01 | nechayev | kk, and thanks a bunch |
| 23:20.30 | frikinz | files in /etc/grub.d are conffiles.. |
| 23:20.40 | p01s0nb1t | good luck, a broken html label should not result into a broken build |
| 23:20.43 | frikinz | dpkg -s grub-common |
| 23:20.43 | dpkg | Badgers ate my grub-common! |
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| 23:22.10 | BlueG | huh? |
| 23:22.38 | greycat | Bots have problems too! |
| 23:23.25 | p01s0nb1t | debian social contract is about persons, not about bots |
| 23:23.28 | BlueG | haha |
| 23:24.41 | p01s0nb1t | !warranty |
| 23:24.42 | dpkg | If you don't know for sure, it likely expires on or before 11:59PM, December 31, 1999, or if it breaks, you get to keep both pieces |
| 23:26.46 | BlueG | so reinstalling grub isn't enough, I need to take some special steps to reinstall the conffiles, right? how do you do that? |
| 23:26.51 | greycat | That's actually better than the typical license agreement that says "you don't own this thing; we do; we're just letting you use it for a short time". |
| 23:27.18 | BlueG | indeed it is! |
| 23:27.27 | greycat | Under the Microsoft warranty, Microsoft gets to keep all the pieces. |
| 23:27.28 | UzbeK | who s got bnc? |
| 23:27.53 | p01s0nb1t | yes, nowdays privacy terms are "you can use it, while we track your moves to sell them" |
| 23:28.11 | BlueG | They might even get to keep some of the pieces that were previously yours... |
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| 23:29.25 | p01s0nb1t | BlueG: etckeeper package could have helped in your situation (not now), or plain old "cp" commands before edit too |
| 23:29.51 | BlueG | LOL, yes, I suppose it could have... |
| 23:29.52 | greycat | or text editors that make automatic backup copies (foobar~) |
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| 23:30.15 | p01s0nb1t | some time I've broken the boot loader, I've purged all its packages and installed them again (praying for avoid power disruptions) |
| 23:30.25 | greycat | though I'd rather rely on a manual copy |
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| 23:32.32 | UzbeK | freee bnc>? |
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| 23:33.43 | p01s0nb1t | time ago I had as habit to perform a tar.gz in of /etc in /root after install, and sometimes it had helped. Nowdays I doublecheck my backups. |
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| 23:35.49 | BlueG | ah-ha! |
| 23:36.40 | p01s0nb1t | got the grub colors ? |
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| 23:36.46 | BlueG | aptitude purge grub-pc grub-pc-bin grub2-common && aptitude install grub-pc grub-pc-bin grub2-common worked (although I think grub2-common might have sufficed) |
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| 23:37.00 | BlueG | Now I am back to trying to figure out how to change the menu colors... |
| 23:37.13 | p01s0nb1t | why don't you just set down the timeout? =) |
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| 23:37.37 | mordek | hi |
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| 23:39.08 | p01s0nb1t | BlueG: I think it should be like the debian file does it with cyan etc... it needs to "echo" the grub commands, but I've never changed colors in grub2, not sure what I say |
| 23:39.12 | p01s0nb1t | hi mordek |
| 23:39.32 | mordek | ;) |
| 23:39.48 | mordek | ive got problem with my proxmox 2.0 rc-1 |
| 23:40.30 | BlueG | hmm, it didn't wipe out what was in /etc/grub.d, though... I had altered the order of the menu selections and that change persisted. Anyways, back to trying to change the colors... |
| 23:40.36 | mordek | so... i did fresh install on my machine, everything looked good |
| 23:41.10 | mordek | but the server is rebooting in some random pattern |
| 23:41.44 | mordek | there is no information in logs, anything what could give me any information about a problem |
| 23:41.54 | mordek | google also :) |
| 23:42.25 | p01s0nb1t | nothing in logs... reboots... hardware? hot hardware? |
| 23:42.33 | p01s0nb1t | sorry, can't help with that, i've got a dog that needs to get out. I left you in channel hands |
| 23:42.45 | mordek | ok ;) |
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| 23:42.53 | BlueG | putting echo "set color_normal=white/black" etc in 40_custom has no effect |
| 23:43.04 | nkuttler | mordek: what does "random pattern" even mean? |
| 23:43.20 | mordek | hm... no pattern :D |
| 23:43.31 | nkuttler | mordek: what is a pattern? |
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| 23:44.31 | BlueG | just putting set color_normal=white/black doesn't do anything, either |
| 23:44.53 | mordek | i mean, that server is rebooting for no reason - i think |
| 23:45.35 | nkuttler | mordek: sounds like bad hardware/power |
| 23:45.55 | mordek | but when there was proxmox 1.5 installed - no reboots |
| 23:46.28 | mordek | i thought about hardware, even set default values in bios |
| 23:46.33 | mordek | but same thing |
| 23:46.45 | nkuttler | !tell mordek about proxmox |
| 23:47.00 | mordek | yes i know |
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| 23:47.15 | mordek | but i cannot find any answer "there" |
| 23:47.35 | nkuttler | mordek: if you don't use debian we can't help you. anyway, doesn't sound like a software problem |
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| 23:48.27 | BlueG | I'm not sure that it is possible to set the color from 40_custom... |
| 23:48.55 | jhutchins_lt | mordek: What about logs? |
| 23:49.10 | mordek | jhutchins_lt: nothing :/ |
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| 23:49.28 | mordek | there is no information about kernel panic, hdd problems etc |
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| 23:50.19 | mordek | ok so maybe other thing... after that i tried to recompile kernel, there is 2.6.32-7-pve, so i dl 2.6.32, get .config from original kernel, checked some additional options, recompiled, installed |
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| 23:51.08 | mordek | but where grub tried to load new kernel it has problem with lvm... like it doesn`t exists "Cannot find volume group /dev/mapper/xxx" |
| 23:51.13 | jhutchins_lt | mordek: All we can really suggest is that you install Debina Stable and if you still have trouble we'll be able to help. |
| 23:51.27 | mordek | :D |
| 23:51.47 | kba | I'm tunneling X windows over SSH. Is there a way to make my session persistent, so when I disconnect from the server, I can later reconnect and have the same windows open? |
| 23:52.16 | kba | something like 'screen' for GUI applications |
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| 23:53.51 | jhutchins_lt | ak70: Pretty much the kind of thing you have to expect in sid. |
| 23:54.53 | jhutchins_lt | ak70: Check the BTS, maybe ask if there's a workaround or anticipated fix in #debian-next on oftc.net |
| 23:55.15 | ak70 | jhutchins_lt: So far, there has not been any bug report yet. I am not sure it is a bug of gstreamer. |
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