| 00:00.16 | jelly-home | factor: if you want to do it the Right Way, I guess there's autotools documentation on porting to or adding support for a new platform |
| 00:01.36 | factor | jelly-home, I can see it using -L/usr/lib trying ti find how to remove that |
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| 00:07.40 | tekzilla | on a Xeon E3 machine i would use the amd64 image, right ? |
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| 00:10.25 | jelly-home | tekzilla: E3? |
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| 00:11.05 | jelly-home | tekzilla: yes. |
| 00:11.10 | tekzilla | jelly-home: budget xeon quadcores |
| 00:11.11 | tekzilla | thanks |
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| 00:24.31 | Wasmosy_ | someone tried to have vlc 2 on squeeze? |
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| 00:31.48 | Vasistha | Wasmosy_: probably not going to be easy, did you check backports? |
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| 00:32.23 | factor | jelly-home, Cool looks like i got it compiled. took out the -L/usr/lib and -I /usr/includes plus had to add in iconv |
| 00:34.10 | Wasmosy_ | Vasistha: yes .. nothing .. im gonna try to compile it myself .. |
| 00:34.14 | Vasistha | Wasmosy_: looks like it was only released a couple weeks ago. you can try a simple sid backport ... dunno how easy it'll be |
| 00:34.19 | Vasistha | !tell Wasmosy_ about simple sid backport |
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| 00:38.16 | Wasmosy_ | Vasistha: mmm .. dont so .. i think im gonna have to upgrade all my system for that ... |
| 00:38.29 | Vasistha | Wasmosy_: ...for what? |
| 00:38.43 | jelly-home | ,checkbackport vlc |
| 00:38.45 | judd | Backporting package vlc in sid→squeeze/i386: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: libbluray-dev (>= 1:0.2.1), liblivemedia-dev (>= 2011.12.23), libmatroska-dev (>= 1.0.0), libschroedinger-dev (>= 1.0.10). |
| 00:38.47 | Wasmosy_ | Vasistha: to install it from sid .. |
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| 00:38.53 | jelly-home | Vasistha: say that again |
| 00:39.19 | Vasistha | that again |
| 00:40.00 | Vasistha | Wasmosy_: if I were you I would just wait for wheezy (and hope that it gets in) |
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| 00:40.30 | Wasmosy_ | its kinda of long time .. haha |
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| 00:41.19 | Vasistha | Wasmosy_: well the wheezy freeze is supposed to be in June, that's not that long ... and when the freeze happens, it's kind of a good time to upgrade ... it's a lot more stable than how testing usually is |
| 00:41.41 | Wasmosy_ | i want to watch 10 bit mkv today .. xG |
| 00:41.42 | Wasmosy_ | xD |
| 00:42.08 | Vasistha | Wasmosy_: I have a spare computer on which I have wheezy installed, it's handy for stuff like that |
| 00:42.35 | Vasistha | Wasmosy_: another option is to install wheezy on an external usb drive and boot from that |
| 00:43.00 | Wasmosy_ | im gonna compile it ... seems simpler .. xG |
| 00:43.00 | Wasmosy_ | xD |
| 00:43.08 | Vasistha | don't count on it |
| 00:43.10 | Wasmosy_ | its not my machine too ... |
| 00:43.32 | Vasistha | did you notice jelly-home's checkbackport? |
| 00:43.51 | Vasistha | ,checkbackport gtkpod |
| 00:43.58 | judd | Backporting package gtkpod in sid→squeeze/i386: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: libanjuta-dev (>= 2:3.0), libgdl-3-dev, libgpod-dev (>= 0.8), libgtk-3-dev, libwebkitgtk-3.0-dev. |
| 00:44.15 | Vasistha | oh yeah, that's right, I used a snapshot for gtkpod |
| 00:44.21 | Vasistha | ,checkbackport libimobiledevice |
| 00:44.22 | judd | Backporting package libimobiledevice in sid→squeeze/i386: all build-dependencies satisfied using squeeze, archignore. |
| 00:45.07 | Vasistha | jelly-home: is there a way to do that on a debian system without asking judd? |
| 00:45.54 | jelly-home | Vasistha: maybe, but I don't know of a single easy command that does it. Use /msg judd ... instead |
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| 01:32.10 | FelipeAbella | test |
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| 01:32.24 | FelipeAbella | Weird, i can't post on #gcc or #linux |
| 01:32.24 | jelly-home | FelipeAbella: test failed |
| 01:32.31 | FelipeAbella | actually, it worked =) |
| 01:32.44 | FelipeAbella | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:32.51 | FelipeAbella | hi, does someone know how can i enable compiler optimizations from inside the code? I tried "#pragma GCC optimize "O2", "tree-vectorize" ", but it's not working, the runtime is much times bigger than compiling with "g++ -O2 -ftree-vectorize test.cpp". Thanks in advance. |
| 01:33.05 | jelly-home | FelipeAbella: registed your nickname with nickserv. /msg nickserv help |
| 01:33.12 | jelly-home | register* |
| 01:33.31 | FelipeAbella | jelly-home: ok, thanks |
| 01:33.54 | jelly-home | some channel limit the talking to registered and identified users to combat spam |
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| 01:36.32 | kevlarman | the majority of the busier channel's i've encountered do |
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| 01:48.54 | sanitypassing | how can I change the shell that gnome-terminal uses? |
| 01:49.25 | sanitypassing | I tried using sudo chsh, but it keeps using bash/dash, instead of zsh, which I've configured it to use. |
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| 01:52.18 | nkuttler | sanitypassing: where did you configure zsh? |
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| 01:53.23 | nkuttler | i'd assume gnome-terminal uses a shell that respects /etc/passwd, but i'm not a gnome user |
| 01:54.43 | flukiluke | nkuttler: Corrent |
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| 01:58.45 | terr_ | Are packages for ubuntu compatible with denian and visa versa? |
| 01:58.51 | terr_ | Are packages for ubuntu compatible with debian and visa versa? |
| 02:00.17 | Vasistha | terr_: maybe, maybe not. don't count on it. |
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| 02:01.45 | terr_ | Vasistha: which repository is larger? Debain or Ubuntu? I''m debating on which to migrate to... so far I use Debian and its been badly broken since Sarge. |
| 02:01.59 | Vasistha | terr_: what's broken? |
| 02:02.25 | terr_ | Vasistha: I figure its the libs. for many programs wait() is not called |
| 02:02.39 | terr_ | Vasistha: consequence is lotsa zombies. |
| 02:02.41 | Vasistha | terr_: have you considered doing a proper upgrade? |
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| 02:02.54 | Vasistha | terr_: ...or are you quite certain it's actually an issue with wait() ? |
| 02:02.57 | terr_ | Vasistha: I'm going to install from scratch. |
| 02:03.40 | terr_ | Vasistha: I never debuggged it. Its been working well enough as it is but its time to put in a new version... too much stuff is obsolete. |
| 02:03.56 | Vasistha | terr_: might be easiest. Honestly I believe debian's far more stable, and it has a lot. Ubuntu is a little easier for certain features, e.g. 3D graphics with certain proprietary cards; some wireless (although I've heard debian beats ubuntu at that sometimes) and having bleeding edge packages |
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| 02:04.33 | sanitypassing | nkuttler: sorry, the webchat didn't tell me there were any notifications. zsh is @ /etc/zsh, which is the path I used with chsh. |
| 02:04.34 | Vasistha | terr_: yeah it's nice to be able to upgrade a system, but sometimes it's nice to just start fresh, so you know you're not keeping any old cruft |
| 02:04.56 | terr_ | Vasistha: I doubt I need 3D graphics. I do need to drive an HP8500 printer however. |
| 02:05.26 | Vasistha | terr_: that's probably gonna work fine ... although it's worth double-checking |
| 02:05.29 | Vasistha | !printing |
| 02:05.29 | dpkg | A printer is an output device to physical objects. Ask me about <cups>, <printconf> or use foomatic-gui for more information on how you can get your printer working under Debian. http://wiki.debian.org/SystemPrinting . See also <hplip>, <openprinting>. |
| 02:05.33 | terr_ | Vasistha: When I tried to upgrade from woody to sarge it borke badly. |
| 02:06.21 | Vasistha | terr_: sometimes it goes that way :P anyway I'd recommend backing up and trying a fresh squeeze install |
| 02:06.33 | Vasistha | you'll probably be happy with the results |
| 02:06.56 | terr_ | Vasistha: the only reason I would migrate to Ubuntu is if it would make my life easier. So you figure squeeze is the way to go? |
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| 02:07.32 | Vasistha | terr_: yeah... I don't think ubuntu is going to make your life any easier. At least you haven't stated any use cases that I recognize as being likely to benefit from ubuntu |
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| 02:07.58 | terr_ | Vasistha: I can't really think of any either. |
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| 02:08.26 | terr_ | Vasistha: I do intend to get some sort of drarfting package running and possible Ciro. |
| 02:08.39 | terr_ | Vasistha: other than that... pretty plain jane I think |
| 02:08.49 | Vasistha | terr_: what's your exact model of hp 8500? I guess there are a few different ones... is it an "officejet pro"? |
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| 02:09.06 | Vasistha | terr_: at any rate, there are a number of 8500's listed at http://hplipopensource.com/hplip-web/recommended.html |
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| 02:09.27 | terr_ | Vasistha: yeah... I think its an officejet pro A910g |
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| 02:09.57 | terr_ | Vasistha: I know the drivers will not work in sarge. Its a bit of a pain |
| 02:10.03 | Vasistha | terr_: HP Officejet Pro 8500a Plus E-aio Printer - a910g, support: full; color; scan; fax |
| 02:10.20 | terr_ | Vasistha: yup. |
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| 02:10.58 | Vasistha | terr_: oh, uh oh... |
| 02:11.26 | Vasistha | terr_: http://hplipopensource.com/hplip-web/models/officejet/officejet_pro_8500_a910.html - requires hplip 3.10.9 but squeeze has 3.10.6 |
| 02:11.36 | chaser12 | whats the best way to use an if statement within a bash script? |
| 02:11.44 | chaser12 | can you even do so? |
| 02:11.48 | Vasistha | chaser12: depends what you need to do. |
| 02:12.05 | Vasistha | chaser12: yes you can use if something; then something; elif something; then something; else something; fi |
| 02:12.07 | chaser12 | I need to check if a returned number (via date) is greater than a given number |
| 02:12.30 | Vasistha | chaser12: if (( $(date +%s) > 10200300 )); then |
| 02:12.59 | chaser12 | as far as syntax goes, it just all needs to remain in one line then? |
| 02:13.12 | chaser12 | do brackets do anything for multiple lines in that case? |
| 02:13.13 | terr_ | Vasistha: is there a version which contains 3.10.9? |
| 02:13.15 | Vasistha | chaser12: not necessarily. |
| 02:13.31 | Vasistha | ,checkbackport hplip |
| 02:13.34 | judd | Backporting package hplip in sid→squeeze/i386: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: pyppd (>= 0.4.9-5). |
| 02:13.52 | chaser12 | Vasistha: Great thanks for your help! |
| 02:14.28 | Vasistha | terr_: well, there are a couple options. If you really want to use squeeze, you might be able to get a binary driver from hp. Other than that I guess it's wheezy vs. ubuntu |
| 02:14.45 | terr_ | Vasistha: the hp8500 has me scratching my head on one issue... It can't seem to see the net yet it does have an Ip address... also I get a lot of dropped packets yet with a different computer the cable looked fine. |
| 02:15.10 | terr_ | Vasistha: I have no problem goign with Wheezy. |
| 02:15.21 | Vasistha | !tell terr_ about testing |
| 02:16.21 | Vasistha | terr_: that said, wheezy is scheduled to freeze around June, so it's hard to say how difficult it'll be. |
| 02:16.25 | terr_ | Vasistha: I would prefer to be in Stable. I'm not really interested in the latest and greatest unless there is a reason for it. |
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| 02:17.18 | terr_ | Vasistha: I wonder if I can compile 3.10.9 I shouild be able to and its the only thing I would need from Wheezy anyways |
| 02:17.27 | Vasistha | terr_: why don't you google around for 8500a squeeze |
| 02:17.53 | terr_ | Vasistha: I was just reading up on wheezy |
| 02:17.58 | Vasistha | terr_: well according to judd, backporting the unstable hplip is not gonna be easy. OTOH you could check snapshots.debian.org |
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| 02:18.38 | terr_ | Vasistha: I wish I could just plug it in. |
| 02:18.58 | Vasistha | terr_: I recently backported something from snapshots.debian.org because the version in wheezy wouldn't backport, and I'm really happy with it |
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| 02:25.10 | terr_ | what version is squeeze? |
| 02:25.17 | abbe | 6.0 |
| 02:26.20 | terr_ | Debian 6.0.3 supplies HPLIP 2.8.6 and it does not support your printer. |
| 02:26.20 | terr_ | You must download and install HPLIP in order to use your printer with Debian 6.0.3. |
| 02:26.56 | Vasistha | terr_: http://snapshot.debian.org |
| 02:27.05 | terr_ | hp website says they are at 3.12.2 |
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| 02:27.50 | Vasistha | terr_: yeah but it'll be easier to compile and use a snapshot version (e.g. 3.10.9 instead of 3.12) with squeeze |
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| 02:28.18 | terr_ | Vasistha: any idea what is different between 3.10.9 and 3.12.2? |
| 02:28.25 | Vasistha | terr_: although I dunno about that 2.8.6 thing - my squeeze has 3.10.6-2+squeeze1 |
| 02:28.48 | Vasistha | terr_: well the most significant differences that you'll notice first is your ability to compile it ;) |
| 02:29.21 | terr_ | Vasistha: what is different re compiling? That should be the same.. |
| 02:29.40 | Vasistha | terr_: just a min... got a phone call |
| 02:29.41 | terr_ | Vasistha: did they use different lins or something? |
| 02:31.16 | Vasistha | terr_: http://snapshot.debian.org/package/hplip/3.10.9-1/ |
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| 02:32.20 | Vasistha | terr_: I really don't know that well how all this stuff fits together. ... |
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| 02:32.35 | Vasistha | terr_: if you'd like I can test and see if 3.10.9 compiles easily on my squeeze box |
| 02:33.14 | babilen | ,checkbackport hplip |
| 02:33.18 | judd | Backporting package hplip in sid→squeeze/i386: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: pyppd (>= 0.4.9-5). |
| 02:33.58 | babilen | Vasistha, terr_: You have to backport (and install) pyppd before you backport hplip -- Backporting can be done by following the instructions in "/msg dpkg ssb" |
| 02:34.26 | Vasistha | ,checkbackport pyppd |
| 02:34.33 | judd | Backporting package pyppd in sid→squeeze/i386: all build-dependencies satisfied using squeeze. |
| 02:35.19 | terr_ | babilen: I don't even have squeeze installed in a machine yet. |
| 02:35.49 | terr_ | babilen: what is pyppd? |
| 02:36.17 | babilen | terr_: I am clearly missing context -- I had the impression that Vasistha and you are working on getting a newer hplip version for squeeze |
| 02:36.47 | terr_ | babilen: I'm just trying to find out what I face at this time. |
| 02:36.57 | Vasistha | babilen: yes, but he hasn't actually installed squeeze yet - trying to decide if it's the best choice |
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| 02:37.05 | terr_ | Ubuntu 11.10 supplies HPLIP 3.10.11 and it does support your printer |
| 02:37.19 | babilen | ,versions hplip |
| 02:37.20 | judd | Package: hplip on i386 -- lenny: 2.8.6.b-4+lenny1; lenny-security: 2.8.6.b-4+lenny1; lenny-backports: 3.10.5-4~bpo50+1; squeeze: 3.10.6-2+squeeze1; wheezy: 3.11.12-2; sid: 3.12.2-1 |
| 02:38.04 | babilen | terr_: sid has 3.12.2 and it is a not so complicated backport as only pyppd needs to be backported as well in order to satisfy hplip's build-dependencies |
| 02:38.15 | terr_ | I have installed Ubuntu 11.11 as I recall... I have to redo however because the installer didn't have a sensible partitioning scheme... so I have been typing with the idea of just stickign wiuth DEbian... whuch I have been using sicne woody7 |
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| 02:38.45 | terr_ | babilen: what are trhe debian versions? |
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| 02:38.58 | terr_ | where do I find htis infomration... it shou.d be obvious ont he website. |
| 02:38.59 | babilen | terr_: See above (judd just listed them) |
| 02:39.38 | terr_ | sid is newer than wheezy? Its testing then? |
| 02:39.39 | babilen | terr_: You can also search on http://packages.debian.org for "hplip" or take a look at http://packages.qa.debian.org/h/hplip.html |
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| 02:40.09 | babilen | terr_: Yet another method is to use "rmadison hplip" -- You find rmadison along with a bunch of other useful scripts in the devscripts package. |
| 02:40.33 | Vasistha | terr_: sid is always unstable. wheezy is currently testing, and will become stable probably within a year. Then there will be a new name for testing, and sid will still be unstable |
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| 02:40.43 | babilen | exactly |
| 02:41.04 | terr_ | Vasistha: Okay... I didn't realise that. |
| 02:41.15 | Vasistha | it's a common confusion |
| 02:41.18 | babilen | !tell terr_ -about releases |
| 02:41.30 | terr_ | I think what I should do is likely install wheezy... it has 3.11.12-2 |
| 02:41.56 | terr_ | What is likely broken in wheezy? I've never used anything other than stable. |
| 02:42.06 | terr_ | what sort of problems would I expect? |
| 02:42.27 | Vasistha | terr_: anyway, it looks like the backport of hplip is going to be pretty easy, so I guess I'd still recommend going with squeeze rather than wheezy or ubuntu. I think maintaining that one package will |
| 02:42.38 | Vasistha | terr_: err... will be easier than maintaining a testing system |
| 02:42.44 | babilen | terr_: First of all: Wheezy has *no security support* whatsoever. |
| 02:42.57 | homes | babilen: testing does... |
| 02:43.07 | homes | babilen: or did we stop doing that? |
| 02:43.08 | babilen | homes: It does not |
| 02:43.10 | Vasistha | terr_: /msg dpkg testing |
| 02:43.11 | terr_ | babilen: what would be hte consequences of no security support? |
| 02:43.21 | Vasistha | terr_: and /msg dpkg about all those <different> <factoids> |
| 02:43.32 | babilen | homes: Well -- there *is* a testing-security suite, but there is no active security support for testing as of now |
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| 02:44.04 | homes | babilen: http://testing-security.debian.net/ so thats all wrong now? :( |
| 02:44.10 | Vasistha | terr_: seriously man... running testing is a pain. Sometimes stuff just breaks. And some of the packages are kind of unstable, and crash sometimes. It'll be easier in the long run to just backport this one package. |
| 02:44.20 | terr_ | I expect to be using GCC and postfix and Cairo and I'm looking for a dtrafing package... |
| 02:44.23 | babilen | terr_: In short: A vulnerable system that only receives security updates via packages that transition in from sid |
| 02:44.44 | terr_ | Vasistha: okay... good advise then. |
| 02:44.56 | homes | babilen: their mailing lists do mysteriously stop in 2011...doh |
| 02:45.29 | babilen | homes: Not wrong in that they lie, but there is no dedicated security support right now. Check the mirrors and you will see that the testing security Packages list is empty |
| 02:46.31 | homes | unfortunate, but oh well |
| 02:46.59 | nkuttler | if you want to run testing you're supposed to know how to secure your network/computer |
| 02:47.11 | babilen | (first step: do not run testing) |
| 02:47.17 | nkuttler | indeed |
| 02:48.09 | nkuttler | testing is also often more broken than sid simply because broken packages can be stuck for months. |
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| 02:49.08 | nkuttler | i never understood why in the last 1-2 years "just install testing" was so prevalent here |
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| 02:52.59 | jpinx | can I migrate/copy an existing debian installation into a vbox running in my XP partition? |
| 02:53.00 | terr_ | what is the relationship between Ubuntu and Debian? I know Ubuntu is based on Debian... do they just take a versi0on nad tweek it? |
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| 02:54.07 | babilen | terr_: More or less -- But Ubuntu is quite different from Debian nowadays (even though we aim for a closer cooperation) -- I would read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/ReleaseProcess and ask further questions in #ubuntu |
| 02:54.09 | Vasistha | jpinx: hmm. I believe it ought to be possible. it's relatively easy to copy a debian installation, but I don't know how to access a vbox "drive" other than booting it. Probably a question for #vbox |
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| 02:55.27 | chaser12 | My bash script IF statement is verifying as always true, which is not, can any of you tell me why? |
| 02:55.28 | chaser12 | if [ `date -u +%H` > 03 ]; then echo "greater"; fi |
| 02:55.49 | babilen | chaser12: Try #bash |
| 02:56.06 | Vasistha | chaser12: ask #bash |
| 02:56.19 | babilen | chaser12: Oh, and read http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashGuide first |
| 02:56.29 | Vasistha | chaser12: your statement is seriously messed up, and you did not follow my example |
| 02:56.41 | jpinx | Vasistha: ok - thanks :) |
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| 02:57.46 | chaser12 | Vasistha, i changed it up a bit from what you had suggested after trying to next them |
| 02:57.54 | chaser12 | I will look back over it |
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| 02:59.22 | Vasistha | chaser12: you're making all kinds of mistakes there. One example is that you should use %l instead of %H if you want an arithmetic comparison, because "03" gets interpreted as an octal number, making results like "09" invalid |
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| 03:00.03 | Vasistha | chaser12: another is you should use $() rather than ``, and you should avoid using [. Use instead [[ or (( |
| 03:00.21 | Vasistha | chaser12: but really, #bash is a much better place for this issue, /join #bash |
| 03:00.30 | babilen | indeed -- /me is there too |
| 03:00.32 | chaser12 | dang. ok. Thanks for all the help |
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| 03:04.02 | Vasistha | chaser12: what, were you banned from #bash or something? |
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| 03:07.38 | terr_ | are there packages in Debian which are not present in Ubuntu? I see the Ubuntu people say the Debian developers are often ahead of them. |
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| 03:08.42 | babilen | terr_: yes |
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| 03:09.04 | terr_ | babilen: then I'm probably better off with Debian. |
| 03:09.06 | babilen | terr_: And there are also a bunch of packages in Ubuntu that are not in Debian |
| 03:09.25 | terr_ | babilen: an you give me an example of one? |
| 03:09.29 | babilen | (mostly due to them being Ubuntu specific or proprietary) |
| 03:09.52 | babilen | terr_: Hmm, unity comes to mind |
| 03:09.53 | terr_ | babilen: I'm plannign on running KDE as well... I see Ubuntu does not use KDE by default |
| 03:10.24 | babilen | !tell terr_ -about install kde |
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| 03:12.38 | terr_ | what is jigdo? Does it even run on sarge? |
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| 03:14.16 | nsadmin | terr_, it doesn't matter about defaults, either the packages exist (and you can install them) or not |
| 03:14.28 | terr_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:14.53 | kevlarman | terr_: it's a dvd image |
| 03:15.24 | terr_ | kevlarman: I have a DVD burner but its USB nad I can't talk to it with Sarge. Catch-22 |
| 03:15.41 | nsadmin | (was it already explained to you that you don't need to download an image... are you running debian already)? |
| 03:16.09 | nsadmin | can your sarge talk to the net? |
| 03:16.16 | terr_ | nsadmin: I am in this machine... but I'm goign to install in a defferent one. This one is broken |
| 03:16.18 | kevlarman | terr_: i tend to just use netinstall images |
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| 03:16.54 | nsadmin | do you have a nice fast net connection? |
| 03:17.04 | kevlarman | yes |
| 03:17.04 | terr_ | kevlarman: I was going to burn a DVD. The machine likely cannot boot from a USB drive. |
| 03:17.23 | nsadmin | what os is it running now? |
| 03:17.41 | nsadmin | can it boot from a cd? |
| 03:17.46 | terr_ | I'm looking here: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live/i386/iso-hybrid/ what iso should I get? |
| 03:17.59 | nsadmin | I would say netinstall |
| 03:18.21 | terr_ | nsadmin: it can install from a CD and I already installed Ubuntu... but I'll have to repartition anyways so I may as well blow it away |
| 03:18.23 | kevlarman | terr_: if you just want to install it, there's not much point to a live image |
| 03:18.23 | nsadmin | which is NOT in that dir |
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| 03:18.47 | terr_ | kevlarman: I don't care about a live image. I'm doign an install |
| 03:18.59 | kevlarman | terr_: then stop looking at the live images |
| 03:19.12 | terr_ | kevlarman: I didn't realise I was |
| 03:19.20 | nsadmin | Here;s the thing... if you download something small, it's less money that the person who owns the mirror and therefore pays for bandwidth pays |
| 03:19.37 | kevlarman | http://www.debian.org/CD/http-ftp/ <- there you go |
| 03:20.32 | nsadmin | package mirrors are much cheaper (for some reason I don't understand... it's the same amount of material) |
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| 03:20.53 | terr_ | what is the s390 image? |
| 03:21.09 | nsadmin | for a big giant room-filling computer by IBM |
| 03:21.11 | kevlarman | terr_: an architecture i assume |
| 03:21.21 | terr_ | IBM s390? |
| 03:21.25 | terr_ | mainframe? |
| 03:21.45 | nsadmin | that would be the one |
| 03:22.12 | terr_ | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.4/i386/iso-cd/ I see 52 cd's... is that right? |
| 03:22.36 | nsadmin | I guess so... I'm not also looking there |
| 03:22.57 | LtL | terr_: you only need cd1, less than 700mb |
| 03:23.17 | terr_ | debian-6.0.4-i386-kde-CD-1.iso 28-Jan-2012 13:55 647M ,--- that one? |
| 03:23.21 | nsadmin | you only need netinstall, less that 200mb |
| 03:24.00 | LtL | terr_: if you want kde yes, that is for 32 bit cpu's |
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| 03:24.23 | terr_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:24.25 | LtL | terr_: if you run 64 bit cpu you want amd64 |
| 03:24.38 | nsadmin | netinstall (which, again, is SMALLER, can be the base for kde, gnome, no x, and many others |
| 03:24.48 | terr_ | LtL: nope... Tualatin core dual CPU's |
| 03:24.56 | LtL | terr_: you -can- run 32 bit on a 64, but not vice versa |
| 03:25.00 | terr_ | LtL: its an old MB... should be fine however |
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| 03:26.00 | LtL | terr_: just save yourself problems and chec |
| 03:26.20 | LtL | terr_: sorry, check the checksums after download |
| 03:26.23 | terr_ | hmmm... says its comm9ing frrom se which shuold be germany. Its there a mirror in Canada? |
| 03:26.40 | LtL | terr_: .de is germany and its fast |
| 03:26.56 | LtL | .se is sweden iirc |
| 03:27.11 | nsadmin | .ca is canada |
| 03:27.11 | Rurd2di | LtL: correct |
| 03:27.18 | terr_ | LtL: I should be able to find a local mirror... say at the UofA |
| 03:27.21 | LtL | i'm in the usa and i use .de, it rocks |
| 03:29.07 | LtL | terr_: just be sure the sha or md5 checksums match the d/l page sums after download to avoid install issues |
| 03:29.24 | terr_ | I just read a little on jigdo... I don't think it will run on Sarge... |
| 03:30.19 | LtL | terr_: how fast is your connection |
| 03:30.29 | terr_ | fast |
| 03:31.00 | LtL | terr_: cd1 will take 15-30 minutes maybe, no prob. |
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| 03:31.45 | terr_ | LtL: should I d/l cd1 or debian-6.0.4-i386-netinst.iso or debian-6.0.4-i386-kde-CD-1.iso |
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| 03:32.21 | LtL | terr_: kde-CD-1.iso |
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| 03:33.35 | terr_ | LtL: okay... thanks. I really appreciate the advise. |
| 03:33.45 | terr_ | LtL: its on its way |
| 03:33.52 | LtL | terr_: happy to be of assistance |
| 03:34.08 | terr_ | LtL: saves me time and avoids errors |
| 03:34.30 | LtL | terr_: thats what we're all about :) |
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| 03:36.46 | terr_ | LtL: 28 MB only... slow. |
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| 03:37.44 | LtL | terr_: I usually pull 1.5 MB/sec from the http .de mirror |
| 03:38.13 | terr_ | LtL: I doin't know which mirror its commming from... I forgot to look and that option is now gone. |
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| 03:39.54 | LtL | terr_: patience is a virtue, atleast you'll have eveything you need to be up and functional, odds and ends can be gotten with apt-get afterwards. |
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| 03:41.12 | terr_ | LtL: THere is quite a lot of stuff which will not be on the CD but I'm not worried about that. |
| 03:41.55 | LtL | terr_: you'll have a full desktop and coreutils, don't worry. |
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| 03:44.26 | LtL | terr_: then you can adjust your /etc/apt/sources.list to get everything you want. but the essentials will be available right away. You usually need to comment out the cdrom source line in the file once you get installed. |
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| 03:45.45 | LtL | terr_: fyi- the 52 cd's scare everyone!, it's not a problem. |
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| 03:49.53 | terr_ | does anyone here use HURD? |
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| 04:05.47 | fattygofaster | !list |
| 04:05.47 | dpkg | VATTENE VIA! |
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| 04:33.23 | minerale | Hi, is there a pre-made Debian Xen Template (domU) with a paravirtualized (PV) kernel from a trusted source ? |
| 04:34.31 | minerale | I'm on non-debian Xen dom0 and don't have access to xen-tools, so I'm having trouble installing from scratch |
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| 04:40.30 | minerale | ie, similar to the Debian VMWare Appliance -- but for Xen |
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| 05:02.51 | terr_ | I just dl's 6.0.4 but the CD/faq referes to 6.0.3. Is 6.0.4 stable? |
| 05:03.28 | nand` | Easiest way to find out the list of files a certain package installs to /usr/*? |
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| 05:04.51 | LtL | terr_: 6.0.0 is stable .3 .4 are ponit release, no problem 6.0.4 is indeed stable latest |
| 05:05.02 | LtL | *point |
| 05:05.07 | terr_ | ltl super. Thanks |
| 05:05.31 | somiaj | terr_: there is very little difference between 6.0.3 and 6.0.4 just bug and escurity fixes, if you install 6.0.3 it isn't hard to upgrade to 6.0.4 and be running a more stable than stable system, (: |
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| 05:07.09 | LtL | terr_: check your iso checksums, no sense burning a bad image, they should be fine but check. |
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| 05:07.46 | unomystEz | any ideas on how to get intl fonts installed? specifically asian fonts? |
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| 05:10.03 | somiaj | unomystEz: xfonts-intl-asian (what I got from apt-cache search asian font) |
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| 05:10.19 | Rusty1 | nand`: got synaptic ? |
| 05:10.31 | nand` | Rusty1: nope, managed to solve my issue in the meantime as well |
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| 05:11.25 | nand` | turns out fglrx-glx-ia32 was creating /usr/lib32/libGL.so.1.2 and a symlink /usr/lib32/libGL.so.1 but not /usr/lib32/libGL.so as well; the absence of the latter was causing wine to detect OpenGL 32-bit as missing |
| 05:11.35 | nand` | might this be a bug? |
| 05:11.51 | rainfyre | does anyone know when testing freezes and new stable is looking like it'll drop? |
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| 05:11.54 | somiaj | nand`: what version fo debian? |
| 05:12.06 | nand` | somiaj: squeeze |
| 05:12.33 | somiaj | nand`: you could check the bts (are you suing the debian version or say a version from backports)? |
| 05:12.34 | nand` | do note that I was building wine from git |
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| 05:12.46 | nand` | bts? |
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| 05:13.10 | somiaj | bugs.debian.org/fglrx-glx-ia32 |
| 05:13.14 | somiaj | bts = bug tracking system |
| 05:13.15 | unomystEz | somiaj: nope |
| 05:13.27 | nand` | somiaj: As for your question I'm using the regular debian version, not backports |
| 05:13.42 | somiaj | ,versions xfonts-intl-asian |
| 05:13.43 | judd | Package: xfonts-intl-asian on i386 -- lenny: 1.2.1-6; sid: 1.2.1-8; squeeze: 1.2.1-8; wheezy: 1.2.1-8 |
| 05:13.56 | unomystEz | didn't help asian fonts in google chrome |
| 05:14.04 | nand` | chrome has bad support for unicode |
| 05:14.07 | nand` | does it work in other browsers? |
| 05:14.07 | freemem | I have this nice backtrack 2 . it's a vm, should I try to update it? |
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| 05:14.14 | somiaj | nand`: I'm surprised that didn't create the links, but I'd still check the bts. |
| 05:14.18 | unomystEz | it worked in my linux mint debian install |
| 05:14.27 | unomystEz | im trying to get my new debian install to look as nice |
| 05:14.29 | unomystEz | and functional |
| 05:14.53 | freemem | give it a lenny apt-get file and distro upgrad this backtrack 2? |
| 05:15.09 | freemem | I want it stripped like this though |
| 05:15.19 | freemem | so no adding crap |
| 05:15.28 | freemem | heh advice |
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| 05:16.19 | nand` | somiaj: maybe it was a botched install; I installed it after uninstalling the fglrx versions from AMD.com (I did a purge xorg in between) |
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| 05:19.56 | muddo | i'm running sid on several systems and have noticed that when I issue the reboot command that it will go into maintenance mode instead of shutting down, is this a common issue? |
| 05:20.33 | somiaj | I don't notice that on my sid boxes |
| 05:21.26 | muddo | I wonder what could cause it |
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| 05:23.41 | nsadmin | muddo, you must have tried to find it... what did you find? |
| 05:24.40 | muddo | nsadmin: I am not sure what causes it, intermittently I get the maintenance mode prompt instead of it shutting down |
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| 05:24.59 | muddo | my guess is that some process is not dying properly at runlevel 1 |
| 05:25.43 | terr_ | for squeeze, how big should /var adn /usr be? I used 9 GB last time and I see I have at most 53% used |
| 05:25.53 | freemem | okay I will just try stuff then, and of course back up my loved bt2 first. |
| 05:25.54 | cesaro | what do you store in var. |
| 05:25.58 | cesaro | how often to you roate logs |
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| 05:26.20 | freemem | maybe just delete the whole /boot partition and put a kernel in there |
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| 05:26.47 | freemem | Dunno that's why I asked. Gonna have fun then. |
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| 05:28.05 | nsadmin | terr_, I would recommend you look into lvm (and, put it either on a single drive or -real- -hardware- raid, NO form of software raid at all) |
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| 05:28.22 | freemem | damn I am an idiot, there is no apt-get in backtrack, I been flooding the ch with bullshit. Sorry I'm gone |
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| 05:30.35 | terr_ | nsadmin: I actually have a real hw raid. kinda crappyu Promise card however and likely won't work. I have a SCSI raid box as well |
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| 05:32.00 | nsadmin | cool... if you have some unpartitioned space, add a /boot partitoin and a pv |
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| 05:32.25 | LtL | cesaro: /etc/logrotate.d/ files dictate how often logs are rotated, cron does does work /etc/cron.* leave /var alone. |
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| 05:32.44 | terr_ | nsadmin: its a 160 GB drive and its going to be dedicated. Why wouyld I want lvm? I've never used it before |
| 05:32.45 | wims1 | hello, we have a weird issue with locale, some of the users are getting the full list of locales when they type locale -a (http://paste.pocoo.org/show/560631/), while other users are getting a few error messages and only 3 locales listed (http://paste.pocoo.org/show/560642/). does anybody have an idea what is causing this? |
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| 05:33.00 | kallisti | how do I tell Debian not to run a particular daemon at startup? |
| 05:33.13 | somiaj | kallisti: update-rc.d |
| 05:33.16 | cesaro | weird permissions? |
| 05:33.20 | terr_ | nsadmin: BTW what is /dev/shm? I see it shows up as tpmfs |
| 05:33.22 | cesaro | you can use rcconf also |
| 05:33.34 | somiaj | kallisti: read the man page on it, but one simple way is update-rc.d service disable |
| 05:33.40 | nsadmin | shared mem |
| 05:33.57 | nsadmin | you don't have to worry about putting actual disk on that |
| 05:34.03 | nsadmin | or actually on /dev |
| 05:36.55 | kallisti | insserv: warning: current start runlevel(s) (empty) of script `mpd' overwrites defaults (2 3 4 5). |
| 05:36.58 | kallisti | insserv: warning: current stop runlevel(s) (0 1 2 3 4 5 6) of script `mpd' overwrites defaults (0 1 6). |
| 05:37.01 | kallisti | do these warnings look particularly threatening? |
| 05:37.26 | terr_ | nsadmin: I saw tpmfs showed up btu I never knew why and what is using it. |
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| 05:37.44 | terr_ | nsadmin: also I still don't know why I would want lvm. |
| 05:38.06 | nsadmin | the shared memory stuff is part of interprocess communication (well one form of it) |
| 05:38.07 | somiaj | kallisti: it just says that you replaced the default settings with your own basically. |
| 05:38.28 | kallisti | somiaj: oh good |
| 05:38.31 | terr_ | nsadmin: what application would use it? |
| 05:38.39 | nsadmin | dunno :) |
| 05:39.10 | nsadmin | any app that wants to fork off processes that talk to each other |
| 05:39.35 | karlpinc | terr_: MySQL and PostgreSQL use it. |
| 05:39.42 | terr_ | nsadmin: well I shouldnb't worry about it. |
| 05:39.49 | nsadmin | true :) |
| 05:39.52 | terr_ | karlpinc: I am runnning postgreSQL |
| 05:40.09 | nsadmin | so, you should make sure that mount happens |
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| 05:41.48 | kallisti | hm, interesting. the numpad -/+ keys don't work in ncmpcpp but the other +/- keys do. |
| 05:42.51 | nsadmin | terr_, or rather, don't do anything to prevent that mount... even if you did not use pg |
| 05:43.10 | nullie | kallisti, because they are different keys |
| 05:43.30 | kallisti | nullie: well sure, but the numpad keys seem more natural to me. |
| 05:45.04 | terr_ | nsadmin: does the debian installer have a "default" partitioning scheme? |
| 05:45.19 | nsadmin | it has guided partitioning |
| 05:45.40 | jelly-home | terr_: yes, but don't trust it blindly. |
| 05:45.44 | terr_ | nsadmin: is it documented? |
| 05:45.51 | nsadmin | and it has manual (where you make all the decisions on sizes and mount points) |
| 05:46.02 | terr_ | jelly-home: where is it documented? |
| 05:46.18 | terr_ | nsadmin: I've always used manaul in the past. |
| 05:47.09 | nsadmin | You might want to read the FHS document, which is a general discussion on what dirs are for what |
| 05:48.01 | jelly-home | terr_: I guess the install guide... http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch06s03.html.en#di-partition |
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| 05:50.34 | terr_ | I see we now have ext4. How is this different than ext3? |
| 05:50.44 | nsadmin | 1 |
| 05:51.56 | jelly-home | terr_: it's a little bit newer, a little bit faster, a little bit more efficient in some common cases |
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| 05:52.49 | terr_ | jelly-home: the guide says most people use ext3... I don't know why yet. |
| 05:52.50 | nsadmin | seriously... there are probably A LOT of documents that describe each, and even describe the difference... it's a good chance that a full technical treatment is not a great choice for an irc channel |
| 05:53.12 | jelly-home | terr_: because of the "newer" bit, which also implies "more bugs" |
| 05:53.46 | terr_ | jelly-home: bugs in the fs scare me! |
| 05:53.48 | Diopter | It depends on your use-case whether or not ext4 is a good choice to avoid issues ext3 has. |
| 05:54.20 | jelly-home | terr_: make backups. |
| 05:54.27 | terr_ | Diopter: I've never had an issue with ext3 |
| 05:54.33 | Diopter | Noting that an "issue" is not necessarily a bug. Ext3 has some design flaws that cause problems in particular circumstances. |
| 05:54.35 | jelly-home | ... and then put the backups on ext3! |
| 05:54.52 | Diopter | terr_: Cool. You probably don't do the things that will cause them :) |
| 05:54.57 | terr_ | jelly-home: I back up to a DLT |
| 05:55.02 | Diopter | Like putting millions of files in a directory |
| 05:55.09 | jelly-home | that's sane |
| 05:55.25 | terr_ | Diopter: no I ususally don't p[ut millions of files in a directory |
| 05:55.26 | jelly-home | (DLT, not the millions of files in a single directory) |
| 05:55.33 | Diopter | hehe |
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| 05:55.55 | Diopter | Maildirs are a common case of such. Particularly with hosted email, where customers like to delete things but not actually delete them |
| 05:56.03 | terr_ | jelly-home: I trust tape technology. I'm not so sure about disk backup. |
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| 05:56.17 | nsadmin | you're going to be scared an awful lot then :) backup is definitely your friend, especially if you have the capability |
| 05:56.30 | Diopter | So the 'tmp' subdirectory clogs up, and ext3 has several crappy drawbacks relating to the scaling of dirents |
| 05:56.32 | nsadmin | tape is good... and sooooo expensive |
| 05:57.06 | terr_ | nsadmin: I do have the capabiltity. I have DLT and exabytes... I have a 3490 as well! Those are FAST |
| 05:57.51 | nsadmin | but if you have tape drives that can do 200-500gb, you're golden right now |
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| 05:58.29 | terr_ | nsadmin: no 70GB. |
| 05:58.44 | terr_ | are there drives which can handle 500 GB? what kind? |
| 05:58.46 | jelly-home | well, tapes are cheap. Drives are a bit on the expensive side. |
| 05:59.02 | terr_ | jelly-home: I got my DLT for $25 bux |
| 05:59.04 | terr_ | lol |
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| 05:59.48 | terr_ | I cna't recall how big swap is on this machine. Is there an easy way to foind out? top? |
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| 05:59.51 | jelly-home | terr_: If I could find a LTO4 for that price I'd take 4-5 immediately |
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| 06:00.01 | jelly-home | even for $100 |
| 06:00.11 | terr_ | LTO? |
| 06:00.39 | nsadmin | then I tend to recommend you keep your partitions small enough to be backed up on a single tape |
| 06:00.55 | jelly-home | terr_: swapon -s |
| 06:01.21 | jelly-home | or cat /proc/mdstat, or free, or, indeed, top |
| 06:01.41 | terr_ | jelly-home: top says iuts a GB |
| 06:02.11 | terr_ | Swap: 994888 508428 486460 |
| 06:02.37 | terr_ | jelly-home: I think I'll stay with that. new machine has 1.5GB ram. This one is 3/4 of a GB |
| 06:02.51 | Diopter | terr_: free, top, mount, etc... |
| 06:03.03 | Diopter | Oh, beat me to it. That's what I get for afk'ing before hitting enter |
| 06:03.07 | terr_ | Diopter: df does nto show it. |
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| 06:03.32 | Diopter | terr_: Ah, no, you're right. 'mount' won't either, it's not a mounted filesystem, per se |
| 06:03.49 | NishaKitty | where is the standard place for setting a system wide variable in debian? |
| 06:04.11 | somiaj | NishaKitty: what do you mean? Like an EnvVar |
| 06:04.13 | Diopter | NishaKitty: What sort of "system wide variable"? |
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| 06:05.17 | NishaKitty | it's present for all users? |
| 06:05.44 | Diopter | Present how? |
| 06:05.49 | Diopter | In their shell's environment? |
| 06:05.56 | terr_ | does anyone know what's going on with Hans Reiser? |
| 06:06.04 | NishaKitty | for every program they run |
| 06:06.05 | jelly-home | he is offtopic here. |
| 06:06.09 | NishaKitty | everything |
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| 06:06.36 | Vasistha | terr_: maybe ask wikipedia |
| 06:06.37 | somiaj | NishaKitty: how about you tell us what this variable is supose to achive. |
| 06:06.48 | NishaKitty | what does that have to do with it? |
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| 06:07.11 | terr_ | Vasistha: I see the reiserfs is not supported by default... not that I use it. Is it still supported? |
| 06:08.12 | Vasistha | terr_: afaik the whole organization fell apart when Reiser was imprisoned, and support has fallen apart as well. /msg dpkg reiserfs |
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| 06:08.51 | Vasistha | terr_: but I really don't know, honestly. |
| 06:08.56 | terr_ | Vasistha: too bad. It had some good things. |
| 06:09.34 | theBlakeBrown | Yep don't hear much about Reiser anymore. I remember when if was supposed to be the future of nix files systems |
| 06:09.38 | jelly-home | terr_: a major Reiser4 developer is now employed by Oracle and working on this "btrfs" thing |
| 06:10.15 | Kaede_ | Alot of people stopped supporting reiser for moral reasons, after that it kind of fell through the ground. |
| 06:10.49 | terr_ | Kaede_: well he did do a pretty bad thing. Killing his wife is not nice |
| 06:10.52 | nsadmin | terr_, I dunno whether the total filesystem death thing of reiser3 was ever fixed |
| 06:11.03 | lasers | I did something long time ago and I can't remember what. What would cause my Gnome2 to start? I think I'm going to reinstall if I can't figure out why. |
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| 06:11.22 | nsadmin | lasers: what did you do? |
| 06:11.51 | lasers | nsadmin: I want to try awesome. gdm is not installed. Yet, gnome2 starts. Also, I logged out and I'll go back on Gnome2. |
| 06:12.04 | jelly-home | Kaede_: morals shmorals, neither v3.5 did not have a working fsck, or worse, it would work for hours or days, and come up with nothing |
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| 06:12.11 | jelly-home | or v4 |
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| 06:12.51 | lasers | nsadmin: mingetty is not installed. .xinitrc contains /exec /usr/bin/awesome (for awesome). I do not know what trigger Gnome2 session. nodm is also not installed. |
| 06:12.54 | nsadmin | ok, let me see... let's remove "I did something I forgot", then you ask why gnome2 starts... my guess, is booting |
| 06:13.12 | Diopter | lasers: Use pstree or top or htop or ps (or ...) to figure out what's actually running and go from there |
| 06:13.22 | lasers | nsadmin: /etc/rc.local is empty. Yes. I wanted to find out what is causing instead of just ignoring it. :) |
| 06:13.26 | terr_ | I see we ahve encrypted logical volumes now. I guess this is for US customs! |
| 06:14.15 | terr_ | I read a Florida man was finally let out of prison for refusing to give them his passphrase. he should have sadi he simply forgot it. |
| 06:14.25 | lasers | Diopter: Thanks. I'll look into that now. |
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| 06:15.30 | lasers | I have been up 15 days without rebooting. I better reboot just in case. >_> |
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| 06:15.50 | terr_ | lasers: I've been up a few years |
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| 06:17.41 | theBlakeBrown | Maybe he did really forget the password. It cannot be considered contempt if he truly forgot it. |
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| 06:20.46 | wims1 | hello, we have a weird issue with locale, some of the users on our box are getting the full list of locales when they type locale -a (http://paste.pocoo.org/show/560631/), while other users are getting a few error messages and only 3 locales listed (http://paste.pocoo.org/show/560642/). does anybody have an idea what is causing this? |
| 06:22.46 | Diopter | wims1: In the latter case, make sure "locales" is installed, and uncomment the appropriate locales in /etc/locale.gen |
| 06:22.56 | Diopter | Then run locale-gen as root |
| 06:23.14 | wims1 | this is on the same box, locales have been installed, locale-gen has been run |
| 06:23.25 | wims1 | as evident from the first paste |
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| 06:23.47 | Diopter | Oh, you're talking about different users on the same box. I didn't even look at the first paste. |
| 06:23.53 | terr_ | is aptitude and synaptic compatible with apt? In the past I was told to use one or the other - not both |
| 06:23.57 | wims1 | yeah different users, same box |
| 06:24.14 | wims1 | the first paste lists one million installed locales |
| 06:24.39 | lasers | nsadmin, terr_: nodm appears to be not installed ( p ) but it is indeed installed. nodm shows up on htop. Weird. :) |
| 06:24.40 | Diopter | wims1: Check their profile/rc files for their shells. See if LANG/LC_TYPE are being set |
| 06:24.59 | lasers | Diopter: Thank you for the good advice. :O |
| 06:25.05 | Diopter | lasers: Sure thing |
| 06:25.23 | Diopter | wims1: Are all of the locales uncommented in locale.gen? |
| 06:25.54 | wims1 | Diopter: yes, and no LANG/LC_TYPE have been set in profile/bashrc |
| 06:26.04 | Diopter | wims1: For both kinds of users? |
| 06:26.07 | wims1 | yes |
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| 06:26.24 | wims1 | its very confusing |
| 06:26.32 | Diopter | Interesting! curious about a diff of their environment variables and their group memberships |
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| 06:27.33 | jelly-home | wims1: which Debian release is this? |
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| 06:29.03 | wims1 | jelly: this is debian 6.0.4 |
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| 06:29.29 | wims1 | jelly-home: see above |
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| 06:39.55 | SpeedyG | Hi, i keep having this problem that one of my Xen machines appears to have its time run a lot faster than all others.. (it's currently one day ahead of the actual time while I reset it to the right time using ntp a few days ago) |
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| 06:40.08 | SpeedyG | any clues where this may come from? |
| 06:40.31 | Diopter | SpeedyG: Yes. You need to allow the Xen guests to have independent clocks from the Xen host |
| 06:40.43 | Diopter | Otherwise, by default, the guests can't set the hardware clock |
| 06:40.48 | Diopter | Or |
| 06:40.51 | Diopter | You can just NTP the host |
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| 06:40.56 | SpeedyG | Diopter: and what if the Xen Host has its time set correctly? |
| 06:41.32 | NishaKitty | fyi it seems system variables can be set /etc/enviroment |
| 06:41.34 | NishaKitty | worked for me |
| 06:41.35 | Diopter | SpeedyG: Oh, you said only one of the guests is off. Hrm. |
| 06:41.40 | SpeedyG | thats the strange thing.. its only one of the clients that has its time running like crazy, all others run ok |
| 06:41.52 | SpeedyG | and all have ntp installed and configged to use the same source |
| 06:42.23 | Diopter | SpeedyG: Same OS's? Kernels? |
| 06:43.18 | SpeedyG | yup. all running latest debian stable |
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| 06:43.43 | NishaKitty | is on wheezy for rtl drivers |
| 06:43.54 | SpeedyG | the one that's off is running a samba fileserver |
| 06:46.09 | Diopter | SpeedyG: Hrm. |
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| 06:46.43 | SpeedyG | Diopter: my thought exactly :) |
| 06:46.49 | SpeedyG | it's got me puzzled :( |
| 06:46.57 | Diopter | Ok. Checkout 'top' on that guest |
| 06:47.16 | Diopter | See if you've got any high 'hi' or 'si' |
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| 06:50.51 | SpeedyG | 0.0% hi and 1.0% si |
| 06:51.05 | Diopter | What about 'wa'? |
| 06:51.15 | Diopter | Or 'st' |
| 06:51.18 | SpeedyG | 0.5 |
| 06:51.26 | SpeedyG | and 0.3 |
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| 06:51.32 | Diopter | Exciting. |
| 06:51.38 | SpeedyG | Cpu(s): 0.0%us, 2.6%sy, 0.0%ni, 95.5%id, 0.5%wa, 0.0%hi, 1.0%si, 0.3%st |
| 06:51.44 | SpeedyG | thats the full line |
| 06:51.44 | Diopter | So the guest is not bogged down in any meaningful way whatsoever. |
| 06:52.06 | Diopter | No heavy IO wait, hard interrupts, soft interrupts, stealing |
| 06:52.40 | Diopter | SpeedyG: What happens if you use ntp to set the time? Does it immediately change back? Or is there a delay? Does it get out of sync slowly? |
| 06:52.54 | Diopter | You should probably check what time servers you're sync'ing to, if you're running ntpd on the guest |
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| 06:54.19 | SpeedyG | hm, there is one odd thing.. the client says its up for 186 days while the host has only been running for 93 |
| 06:54.31 | Diopter | lol |
| 06:54.35 | Diopter | Probably due to clock issues |
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| 06:55.09 | SpeedyG | and all clients and the host are syncing to the same source |
| 06:55.48 | SpeedyG | if I manually resync, it works just fine and it shows the right time for a few hours/days (tbh, I don't closely watch the time on those boxes ;) ( |
| 06:55.54 | Diopter | SpeedyG: Are you certain? I'm not saying to check configs, but actual ntp statuses |
| 06:58.02 | SpeedyG | hm, how can I check those? |
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| 07:00.25 | SpeedyG | hm, ntptime gives me an error on the faulty host |
| 07:00.39 | Diopter | Are you running the 'ntpd' daemon itself? |
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| 07:01.09 | SpeedyG | yup |
| 07:02.55 | Diopter | Try ntpq -n -p |
| 07:03.18 | flukiluke | Hi. I'm about to upgrade to testing, but before I do, would somebody mind just looking over my sources.list <http://dl.dropbox.com/u/16846661/sources.list> |
| 07:03.50 | Diopter | flukiluke: Why are you retaining the "squeeze-updates" entries? |
| 07:04.58 | SpeedyG | Diopter: gives me this: http://pastebin.com/VCa0Gm6d |
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| 07:05.35 | Diopter | SpeedyG: You can also run it without the -n to see hostnames, but yeah, that's kind of what I expected |
| 07:05.40 | kripz_ | can i transfer files from pc to pc using a usb cable ? |
| 07:05.45 | Diopter | Stratum 2's and 3's... large offsets, all the same |
| 07:05.55 | nsadmin | flukiluke, (btw I remember that cartoon) what has you wanting testing? you waht to help test? |
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| 07:06.13 | Diopter | kripz_: If you have a USB cable that has two Type A ends on it (host ends), then you probably already have some sort of transfer cable |
| 07:06.30 | kripz_ | Diopter, but how does it appear in linux? |
| 07:06.34 | Diopter | kripz_: They don't really make single cables with both ends male type A |
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| 07:06.47 | Diopter | kripz_: If you have a transfer cable, it'd be some variety of serial or network device |
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| 07:07.20 | Diopter | kripz_: You can always watch udev or dmesg to see if Linux recognizes it as a device, instead of just a cable. |
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| 07:07.36 | SpeedyG | Diopter: http://pastebin.com/YaQfnSpz <= updated with the same output from the host (thehive) |
| 07:08.15 | Diopter | SpeedyG: Are you certain that this guest can set its hardware clock? I think the Xen option for unique clocks is per-guest |
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| 07:09.02 | SpeedyG | Diopter: it's an exact copy of one of the other clients that doenst have the issue, so my first guess would be yes |
| 07:09.30 | flukiluke | Diopter: I get 404 errors with it. |
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| 07:09.55 | kd123 | Hello, How do I install individual ttf fonts? |
| 07:10.07 | flukiluke | nsadmin: It's not from the cartoon. |
| 07:10.37 | vbrummond | kd123: for personal use you can copy them to .fonts in your home folder |
| 07:11.48 | Diopter | flukiluke: ftp.au.debian.org is horribly slow for me, but it does seem to have the right mirror files for 'wheezy', so... not sure |
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| 07:12.15 | kd123 | vbrummond: I don't have a .fonts folder... can I just create one? |
| 07:12.26 | SpeedyG | Diopter: hm, seems that i've been having clock issues with this host before given the minor configuration difference in the xen config file for this specific host.. |
| 07:12.30 | vbrummond | kd123: you you can my good sir :) |
| 07:12.35 | vbrummond | yes you* |
| 07:12.50 | nsadmin | you you encode? |
| 07:12.57 | vbrummond | har har |
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| 07:13.20 | nsadmin | couldn't resist |
| 07:13.32 | kd123 | vbrummond: Ok, Thank you. Will they then show up in Gnome Character Map? |
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| 07:13.52 | Diopter | SpeedyG: Compare the ntpd configs between guests |
| 07:13.54 | vbrummond | kd123: they should, though if you are using gnome, you should be able to open the fonts by double click and just hit install |
| 07:14.10 | flukiluke | Diopter: Here's what I get when everything is set to wheezy: http://pastebin.com/71m1xfxs |
| 07:14.25 | kd123 | vbrummond: ok Thank you |
| 07:14.38 | vbrummond | np :) |
| 07:14.49 | Diopter | flukiluke: You're using 'wheezy-updates', but your original link did not have that in it. |
| 07:14.55 | Diopter | flukiluke: 'wheezy-updates' doesn't exist |
| 07:15.10 | SpeedyG | Diopter: no difference there :) |
| 07:16.30 | flukiluke | Diopter: And that's why I'm keeping squeeze-updates, to answeryour original question. |
| 07:16.59 | flukiluke | Diopter: So, should I get rid of those to lines completely? |
| 07:17.13 | Diopter | SpeedyG: Eenteresting. Maybe restart ntpd? Or, maybe kill it entirely, ntpdate to sync and see what happens |
| 07:17.29 | Diopter | flukiluke: That's why I asked why you were keeping it :P Don't need it if you're on wheezy |
| 07:17.54 | flukiluke | Diopter: Okay, thanks. |
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| 07:20.02 | weeb1e | Hi everyone |
| 07:20.06 | weeb1e | I need a "file" that can be used as a log stream, but when I try using FIFO, the writing process gives a seek error, since FIFO cannot be seeked, what are my alternative options? |
| 07:20.32 | nsadmin | why not use syslog |
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| 07:21.42 | Diopter | weeb1e: You can do a couple of things, but why do you need to seek on a log stream? |
| 07:21.48 | weeb1e | nsadmin: I have a process that can only log to a file, using log_file |
| 07:21.53 | weeb1e | (and expect) |
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| 07:22.27 | danielito | hi guys. I haven't used debian for years , but now came back ;) great what happened to debian in all these years, but anyway |
| 07:22.27 | TechDesk | syslog + cron |
| 07:22.29 | weeb1e | I need to be able to tail the log in realtime, and don't want an ever-expanding file |
| 07:22.48 | Diopter | weeb1e: Logrotate is a very robust and viable solution to that problem. |
| 07:22.49 | SpeedyG | Diopter: I'm afraid there's more wrong with xen than I was aware of... right now it keeps giving me certain issues such as Error: 'NoneType' object is unsubscriptable |
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| 07:22.57 | Diopter | SpeedyG: Neat. Python errors! |
| 07:23.00 | danielito | running a laptop with an intel i915 graphics chipset. my resolution is set to 1600x900, but I need to set it to 1600x1200 |
| 07:23.06 | nsadmin | you can do a named pipe |
| 07:23.08 | Diopter | danielito: xrandr |
| 07:23.12 | nsadmin | to syslog |
| 07:23.13 | weeb1e | Diopter: Because that is what log_file does, I don't know if its possible to stop it |
| 07:23.20 | danielito | i see that the modeline is missing, but also cannot find a "tool" to switch between the available resolutions |
| 07:23.26 | muhoo | how can i force debian to use an older version of a package, even when some (goddamned) repositories have older, broken versions of those packages? |
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| 07:23.33 | weeb1e | nsadmin: Ok, I will look into syslog, hopefully that will work, thanks |
| 07:23.34 | muhoo | sorry, have newer, broken versions |
| 07:23.41 | simonlnu | !tell muhoo -about hold |
| 07:23.44 | danielito | Diopter: yeah. already used that to find out, that the resolution is not the one I want |
| 07:23.55 | TechDesk | /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/10-monitor.conf danielito |
| 07:24.08 | Diopter | danielito: So set it :D |
| 07:24.13 | muhoo | simonlnu: well not really. it's alreaady at the newer, broken version, i want to go bACk to an older verions |
| 07:24.22 | muhoo | so, hold won't work |
| 07:24.29 | muhoo | i need to "revert" if there's such a thing |
| 07:24.33 | danielito | Diopter: hrhr. isn't there a gnome-tool I can use? or even a xorg.conf with the current settingsn? |
| 07:24.40 | danielito | cannot find it in /etc/X11/ |
| 07:25.34 | Diopter | It'd actually be /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d |
| 07:25.52 | danielito | ok, that's a starting point. thank you |
| 07:26.05 | SpeedyG | Diopter: yeah, and only if I knew where it came from.. |
| 07:26.57 | weeb1e | How can syslog be used as a file? I must be missing something... |
| 07:28.38 | weeb1e | sigh I'm so lost |
| 07:28.39 | Diopter | Named pipe that feeds to syslog is what nsadmin was suggesting |
| 07:28.56 | weeb1e | How would that work if I can't use a simple named pipe? |
| 07:29.12 | nsadmin | how do you know you can't? |
| 07:29.18 | weeb1e | Surely a named pipe is a named pipe and I will get a seek error |
| 07:29.35 | weeb1e | Because as I said from the start, the logging process tries to seek and it fails... |
| 07:29.56 | weeb1e | If named pipes worked, I wouldn't use syslog, as I need a simple stream |
| 07:30.02 | nsadmin | why would you call seek? |
| 07:30.08 | weeb1e | I have no idea |
| 07:30.29 | weeb1e | Please see: http://srcds.info/consolelog.html |
| 07:31.04 | weeb1e | That is all I know, and the only way to log the srcds console, which I need to be able to tail in realtime, without having an ever expanding file |
| 07:31.06 | Diopter | If it needs to be a real file no matter what, you can rotate it if nothing else |
| 07:31.45 | weeb1e | I preferably don't want an actual file, but I guess if that's my only choice, it'll have to do |
| 07:31.45 | Diopter | Or |
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| 07:32.28 | Diopter | You could capture it as the stdin to a process if you can specify the logfile as an argument, in bash |
| 07:32.44 | nsadmin | ok, so I have no idea yet what you've tried versus not tried... perhaps you're fast at trying things... if that's the case, great... either way, could you say what you tried? |
| 07:33.12 | weeb1e | nsadmin: I tried a FIFO named pipe, that's it. |
| 07:33.25 | weeb1e | Diopter: I do not follow |
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| 07:34.05 | taylorjonl | Can I define multiple loopback devices, e.g. 127.0.0.1 and 127.0.0.2 |
| 07:34.06 | SpeedyG | Diopter: any ideas where I might go with that error? |
| 07:34.11 | weeb1e | Diopter: But as the above link explains, it is not possible to use std io streams, only a file |
| 07:34.19 | Diopter | Like: app -logfile >(otherprocess) |
| 07:34.34 | weeb1e | Diopter: Did you even read the link? |
| 07:34.42 | weeb1e | Please read the expect bash script |
| 07:35.15 | Diopter | weeb1e: I glanced at it. You said originally you can specify a log file. I'm just saying you have options beside pipes |
| 07:35.18 | weeb1e | It has to be something that log_file can take |
| 07:35.29 | nsadmin | weeb1e, recode your app so it uses standard logging, or better, is flexible enough to use any type of logging |
| 07:35.40 | weeb1e | Diopter: What are my options, I don't see any? |
| 07:35.47 | Diopter | weeb1e: Bash can let you make piped subshells that are temporary file descriptors, which proxy the data to stdin for a new process |
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| 07:36.05 | Diopter | IF you can specify the 'filename' when starting the app from bash |
| 07:36.16 | weeb1e | nsadmin: I have no experience with expect, so I do not know what other ways there are to log the output from that bash script, other than "log_file" as is used in the example |
| 07:36.17 | Diopter | SpeedyG: Bug reports on Xen? Google it up |
| 07:36.52 | nsadmin | you could gain some experience, like, now... |
| 07:37.23 | weeb1e | Diopter: Are you talking about something other than redirecting STDOUT to another process? |
| 07:37.41 | weeb1e | nsadmin: Which is why I am here, asking people who have experience... |
| 07:37.44 | Diopter | weeb1e: Slightly. |
| 07:38.01 | weeb1e | Sigh |
| 07:38.03 | Diopter | weeb1e: Do you know how piping into/out of subshells works? |
| 07:38.32 | weeb1e | Diopter: Yes, I am very well aware of how that works, and have no idea how you expect that to be used with "log_file" in that expect bash script... |
| 07:38.59 | SpeedyG | Diopter: been googling, seems that the issue should've been patched by now.. and by looking at the possible faulty file, the patch seems to be applied |
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| 07:39.31 | weeb1e | So much for a simple solution, just setting up log redirection is taking hours, so I will not be able to get anything else done today :)( |
| 07:39.35 | weeb1e | *:( |
| 07:40.38 | weeb1e | If anyone has an idea of how I can do what I need with that bash script, please let me know |
| 07:41.15 | Diopter | weeb1e: The link doesn't show a bash script, it shows an expect script. |
| 07:42.31 | weeb1e | Diopter: Ah, you're right, I will continue to research expect |
| 07:42.33 | Diopter | weeb1e: Hrm.. add "-noappend" right after "log_file" in the script |
| 07:42.41 | Diopter | By default, log_file will try to append |
| 07:42.45 | Diopter | Which is why it's seeking |
| 07:42.55 | Diopter | -noappend will try to truncate, which shouldn't require a seek |
| 07:43.03 | weeb1e | Oh, thanks! |
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| 07:43.29 | nsadmin | weeb1e, you could use this as an opportunity to gain experience in the areas of this problem where you're weak... and yes, it started out seeming easy, but then you piled on several constraints that prevented you from using syslog, a fairly standard way to log. if it has to be a file, try /var/log/somefile |
| 07:43.59 | weeb1e | Hmm |
| 07:44.18 | nsadmin | if you keep taking opportunities to learn, there will come a time you become able to solve problems of a wider and wider range |
| 07:44.25 | Shadur | ... How is setting up log redirection taking hours? syslog-ng's syntax is fairly trivial. |
| 07:44.28 | weeb1e | Theres no error now, and console is no longer interactive, but the log file is empty |
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| 07:45.17 | Diopter | weeb1e: Restart your tail |
| 07:45.40 | Diopter | Or maybe it's just not flushing... hrm |
| 07:45.45 | weeb1e | Shadur: I first had to figure out how to do it without STDOUT, then I had to figure out how to get the expect script not to seek the named pipe |
| 07:45.52 | weeb1e | Diopter: No change :/ |
| 07:46.27 | Diopter | weeb1e: Doublecheck to make sure you're not logging to a pipe still |
| 07:46.34 | Diopter | Delete the logfile, restart the process |
| 07:46.54 | weeb1e | Diopter: So I cannot use a named pipe? |
| 07:46.57 | Diopter | See if it gets recreated, check its size, etc... |
| 07:47.23 | weeb1e | It is a pipe, that is the point, that is what I'm trying to get working |
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| 07:48.07 | nsadmin | to test, you can put tee in the pipeline |
| 07:48.14 | weeb1e | As I said, I would like to use a FIFO instead of a rotating file if possible, as the file will never get used and there will be many processing logging |
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| 07:48.42 | weeb1e | hmm, this is interesting |
| 07:48.42 | nsadmin | then why does it matter that the file is empty? |
| 07:48.55 | Diopter | weeb1e: So, really, what you should be doing is replacing the expect script with a bash script |
| 07:49.00 | nsadmin | is everything else working? |
| 07:49.01 | weeb1e | If I tail the pipe without -f, it doesn't exit |
| 07:49.15 | nsadmin | right, you want -f |
| 07:49.19 | Diopter | weeb1e: And run the process that gets passed to it, redirecting to your named pipe |
| 07:49.20 | weeb1e | Diopter: Expect is the only way to do this... |
| 07:49.37 | weeb1e | nsadmin: My point is why is it not exiting *without* -f? |
| 07:49.49 | Diopter | weeb1e: I disagree. Your expect script is being called with a couple parameters. log file, process, process args |
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| 07:49.58 | weeb1e | Diopter: The process does not use STDOUT... |
| 07:50.00 | daniel-s | hello |
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| 07:50.14 | daniel-s | how strong is the random number generator in /dev/urandom on squeeze? |
| 07:50.16 | weeb1e | Diopter: Did I not already explain that? |
| 07:50.23 | Diopter | weeb1e: That's what you keep saying. That it's "writing to the console" |
| 07:50.30 | daniel-s | is it the source of entropy the openssl uses? |
| 07:50.32 | Diopter | Which is fascinating, since expect can't magically see more than bash can. |
| 07:50.37 | daniel-s | *that |
| 07:50.43 | Diopter | weeb1e: Perhaps it's writing to stderr instead, but that's easy to capture |
| 07:50.56 | Diopter | 2>&1 > file, ?????, profit |
| 07:51.07 | weeb1e | Diopter: Well then every post online saying how redirecting the STDOUT fails and that page I linked to is just making things up I guess |
| 07:51.21 | weeb1e | Sigh |
| 07:51.32 | Diopter | Have you tried capturing stderr? |
| 07:51.41 | weeb1e | Other people have. |
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| 07:51.43 | kd123 | I installed my TTF fonts by double clicking on them (I'm using Gnome), but when I open up Gnome Character Map, I see them in the drop down menu, what script do I click to see the glyphs? |
| 07:51.57 | weeb1e | Diopter: It is an interactive console without using -consolelog |
| 07:52.16 | weeb1e | and using consolelog with an expect script is the only way to do it |
| 07:52.31 | weeb1e | Why must I keep re-explaining this? |
| 07:53.04 | kd123 | Whatever I select in the combobox... the scripts stay the same in the TreeView box |
| 07:53.08 | Diopter | weeb1e: Because what you're saying makes no sense and is wrong :) |
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| 07:53.48 | weeb1e | Diopter: Sigh |
| 07:53.51 | weeb1e | You are not helping. |
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| 07:54.18 | weeb1e | Myself and every other person on the internet that has ever needed to do with, plus Valve, the server creator must be imagining things |
| 07:54.34 | weeb1e | Since you, someone who has little idea about this, must be right |
| 07:54.44 | SpeedyG | Diopter: sometimes linux works just like windows, and this was one of those times.. a full reboot of the host and all clients seems to have solved all issues :) |
| 07:54.58 | SpeedyG | (maybe exept for the timing issue, but we'll see that in a couple of days) |
| 07:55.23 | weeb1e | Shadur: Now you can see why it is coming up on 2 hours now and I still can't redirect this log :( |
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| 07:55.47 | Diopter | weeb1e: I'm only pointing out that the expect command 'log_file' logs terminout output passing through it. |
| 07:56.40 | Diopter | weeb1e: Which means you can capture it without expect. |
| 07:56.45 | weeb1e | Diopter: Although I always assumed STDOUT was the only way of writing to a terminal, from the above links explaination and the softwares behaviour, I can only assume the server uses some other method to "write directly to the terminal" |
| 07:56.47 | kd123 | Daniel-s: I'm not sure about the strength of urandom, but I know it takes random system variables to create the randomness |
| 07:56.48 | Diopter | Expect isn't magical somehow :P |
| 07:57.20 | weeb1e | Diopter: If expect won't even work, how the hell do you expect me to use something that every other person online has been unable to use? |
| 07:57.21 | kd123 | weeble: there's Printf() command too |
| 07:57.30 | weeb1e | kd123: Which is probably what is being used |
| 07:57.44 | weeb1e | Diopter: Why can you not comprehend this!?! |
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| 07:58.01 | kd123 | weeble: what's your issue? |
| 07:58.11 | Diopter | weeb1e: I can, and have. I know exactly what you're complaining about. |
| 07:58.18 | kd123 | what are you trying to get to work |
| 07:58.20 | kd123 | ? |
| 07:58.31 | Diopter | weeb1e: I'm trying to point out to you that expect is less ideal than bash for attempting to do logging-to-pipe redirections |
| 07:58.31 | weeb1e | kd123: I am unable to log console output to a named pipe following these instructions, http://srcds.info/consolelog.html |
| 07:58.56 | weeb1e | Diopter: Unless you have a working solution for me, please stop wasting my time |
| 07:59.09 | weeb1e | It has been 2 hours already, and I have gotten almost no where |
| 07:59.21 | weeb1e | I have had to re-re-re-explain myself to you, and you still don't believe me |
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| 07:59.50 | kd123 | so logger won't capture the output? |
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| 08:00.47 | weeb1e | kd123: A normal file works, a named pipe is empty and tailing it without -f hangs... |
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| 08:01.26 | danielito | hm. seems to be a tricky one. xrandr shows me, that I'm running 1600x1200, but though I got the strong feeling, that it's not |
| 08:01.34 | kd123 | hmmm..... |
| 08:01.36 | danielito | my firefox appears massively larger than on windows |
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| 08:01.46 | kevlarman | weeb1e: a fifo by definition doesn't have an eof |
| 08:02.00 | k-man | i have installed wordpress from source in /var/www on debian, but all i get is the "it works" page rather than wordpress |
| 08:02.05 | weeb1e | kevlarman: That is a good point, in which case forgot the second part |
| 08:02.05 | KindOne | I got CLI install of debian, how can i do a "page up" ? |
| 08:02.09 | k-man | even though i removed the index.html file |
| 08:02.23 | weeb1e | But I still don't understand why it is empty when tailed |
| 08:02.23 | happylinux | Hi, all. Can you recommend one network topology rather than dia? |
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| 08:02.37 | kevlarman | weeb1e: because tail looks for the end of the file |
| 08:02.38 | kd123 | kd123: Honestly, I don't know what to tell you... maybe you could edit the source code to get it to work |
| 08:02.42 | kevlarman | which doesn't exist |
| 08:02.50 | kd123 | oops, kd123 -> weeble lol |
| 08:03.09 | weeb1e | kevlarman: Oh, so it needs to be read normally |
| 08:03.18 | weeb1e | Let me try that |
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| 08:03.39 | kevlarman | weeb1e: also if you don't empty a fifo, writes to it start to block |
| 08:04.01 | weeb1e | kevlarman: Good to know |
| 08:04.11 | weeb1e | Wouldn't want the server process to get blocked |
| 08:04.18 | SpeedyG | happylinux: yEd |
| 08:04.19 | kevlarman | so unless you really know what you're doing, you shouldn't be using one |
| 08:04.27 | kd123 | KindOne: I don't think you can go up on CLI install |
| 08:04.49 | kevlarman | just let it write to a real file and tail -f it to whatever is doing the reading |
| 08:04.54 | SpeedyG | happylinux: to give an example: http://www.yworks.com/en/imageviewer.php?img=../img/ygucd/mplsl.graphml&album=ygucd&fs=1 |
| 08:05.21 | happylinux | SpeedyG, I'll take a look at this tool, thank you very much. |
| 08:05.56 | weeb1e | kevlarman: Great it does work, thanks! |
| 08:06.08 | kd123 | So once I install a ttf font in Gnome by double clicking on it.... How can I see the glyphs in Character Map? |
| 08:06.12 | Diopter | weeb1e: #!/bin/bash $2 "${@:3}" >&1 > $1, is what I was actually getting around to suggesting. |
| 08:06.17 | kd123 | I see the font in the combobox... but the scripts don't change in the TreeView below it |
| 08:06.43 | weeb1e | kevlarman: I do not want a never ending log file, or one at all if possible, as there will be many servers redirecting their console log, and the console is flooded with a ton of data |
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| 08:07.11 | happylinux | SpeedyG, It seems that yEd is not available in apt repository. |
| 08:07.11 | kevlarman | weeb1e: servers of what? |
| 08:07.22 | weeb1e | kevlarman: SRCDS, http://srcds.info/consolelog.html |
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| 08:07.48 | kevlarman | weeb1e: just set logfile 2 |
| 08:07.54 | kevlarman | and ditch the expect stuff |
| 08:08.08 | kevlarman | (or probably 1) |
| 08:08.16 | weeb1e | kevlarman: If you have a more robust solution, that won't stand a chance of locking up the server process if the daemon ever stops reading the FIFO, let me know |
| 08:08.32 | weeb1e | kevlarman: As that link explains, expect is the *only* way to redirect the console log... |
| 08:08.38 | Diopter | kevlarman: weeb1e has been claiming vehemently that stdout/stderr aren't involved in the output |
| 08:08.45 | Diopter | kevlarman: But somehow expect's "log_file" can see it. |
| 08:09.01 | weeb1e | Diopter: I am only telling you what that link explains, and what I have been posted in countless places online |
| 08:09.04 | kevlarman | Diopter: more specifically, idtech refuses to write to stdout if it's not a tty |
| 08:09.32 | weeb1e | *what has been posted |
| 08:09.40 | kd123 | Nevermind... they are installed in the Latin script |
| 08:09.47 | kevlarman | however, logfile 1 will cause it to write to qconsole.log |
| 08:09.59 | kevlarman | iirc source has that code in there as well |
| 08:10.51 | weeb1e | kevlarman: theres also a command link arg for that, but that will create an ever expanding log file? |
| 08:10.59 | Diopter | Fun. You can also use 'script' if you need a tty |
| 08:11.00 | weeb1e | *command line |
| 08:11.11 | kevlarman | weeb1e: you can just mv it out of the way once a day |
| 08:11.21 | Diopter | Or use logrotate. |
| 08:11.26 | Diopter | Which was one of my first suggestions :) |
| 08:11.32 | kevlarman | Diopter: logrotate doesn't play well here |
| 08:11.47 | Diopter | kevlarman: Why not? |
| 08:12.06 | kevlarman | Diopter: i don't remember anymore |
| 08:12.14 | weeb1e | kevlarman: Well, I guess it's not the end of the world, as there will be more hard disk space on the new server, so the huge output won't be an issue, and I need to make the daemon restart SRCDS once a day anyway, since it is not the most stable server |
| 08:12.35 | kevlarman | but i remember that the easiest way to deal with it was to mv, and let the server reopen the old file on mapchange |
| 08:12.55 | weeb1e | kevlarman: Don't try tell Diopter that, he knows better than everyone whos ever tried to redirect srcds logging :P |
| 08:13.12 | kevlarman | weeb1e: the expect stuff is just insane though |
| 08:13.17 | kevlarman | and so is using a fif |
| 08:13.18 | kevlarman | o |
| 08:13.24 | Diopter | weeb1e: While I appreciate your sarcasm, I was really just trying to help you avoid having to deal with expect. |
| 08:13.37 | Diopter | If a tty is required, using 'script' is easier. |
| 08:13.38 | weeb1e | kevlarman: Well it was the only solution that didn't create a massive file that I came across |
| 08:13.56 | kevlarman | weeb1e: you can probably even rm the file soon as it shows up |
| 08:14.05 | kevlarman | it'll take up space until the map changes |
| 08:14.18 | kevlarman | then a new one gets created |
| 08:14.36 | kevlarman | (this is logfile only, not expect) |
| 08:14.36 | weeb1e | kevlarman: Talking about map changes, are you sure you are talking about the console log? |
| 08:14.50 | weeb1e | Not the standard srcds and sourcemod logs |
| 08:15.05 | kevlarman | weeb1e: yup, mapchanges cause almost all of the engine to reinitialize |
| 08:15.19 | weeb1e | kevlarman: Alright, thanks |
| 08:15.20 | kevlarman | iirc the console as well |
| 08:15.31 | kevlarman | if it doesn't, then logrotate is the right solution |
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| 08:16.05 | weeb1e | kevlarman: There are unfortuantly certain things that are impossible to stop from being logged to the (normally interactive) console, which flood it heavily when the server is active |
| 08:16.22 | weeb1e | Which is why I have been trying to avoid using a normal file |
| 08:18.19 | weeb1e | kevlarman: By the way, sv_logfile 1 will not do this |
| 08:18.35 | weeb1e | That is just a standard srcds log, not the console |
| 08:19.25 | kevlarman | looks like it got renamed to con_logfile in source |
| 08:19.44 | weeb1e | there is a -condebug command line arg though :) |
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| 08:21.27 | weeb1e | thanks for the help everyone |
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| 08:23.18 | useall | u welcome |
| 08:24.35 | weeb1e | kevlarman: And by the way, that console.log file is recreated the next time something is logged to console after removing it, no map change required |
| 08:24.53 | kevlarman | interesting |
| 08:25.03 | weeb1e | So it shouldn't be an issue to remove it after it passes a size threshold |
| 08:25.12 | kevlarman | that part isn't in the open source idtech |
| 08:25.27 | Diopter | script -q -c "${@:2}" >(logger -n server), could be fun |
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| 08:25.48 | Diopter | Assuming you're still making use of -consolelog's passing of logfile,process,args |
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| 08:26.02 | Diopter | That'd ship each line to a remote syslog server. |
| 08:26.34 | Diopter | Of course if you're just rm'ing the logfiles, you could save yourself some grief and just tell it to use /dev/null for a logfile |
| 08:26.39 | Diopter | Problem solved. |
| 08:26.53 | weeb1e | Diopter: I'll keep that in mind for the future, but using the log file should be fine |
| 08:27.02 | weeb1e | Diopter: That would defeat the point of logging... |
| 08:27.28 | weeb1e | Good luck tailing /dev/null |
| 08:27.29 | Diopter | How does rm'ing it not? Or were you not too keen on kevlarman's suggestion of periodically removing it |
| 08:27.56 | weeb1e | Diopter: As I said, it makes the most sense to rm it when it breaches a file size threshold |
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| 08:29.06 | Diopter | In that case, it sounds like you're looking for logrotate. |
| 08:29.23 | Diopter | So it will automatically mv, compress, and have a limit on old archives |
| 08:30.48 | weeb1e | Diopter: I have no use for old logs, as I said they are flooded with useless junk and I just need a realtime stream which will be filtered and streamed over WebSockets |
| 08:31.31 | Diopter | WebSockets, eh? Fun |
| 08:31.47 | weeb1e | WebSockets are awesome, and super fast |
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| 08:32.20 | Diopter | I think you want script -q -c "${@:2}" >(streamapp), then. |
| 08:32.37 | Diopter | Assuming it can eat stdin |
| 08:33.02 | weeb1e | Diopter: Since the daemon process will always be running, it makes more sense to just have it tail and rm the log, rather than requiring another seperate process |
| 08:33.15 | Diopter | mm |
| 08:33.44 | weeb1e | the daemon is an asynchronous platform which provides web services, an irc bot, ingame commands and various other functionality |
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| 08:49.29 | WormFood | does firefox have a leak in it or something? It is truly incredible how much ram it eats up after running for a day or two....I stop it and restart it, and it is reasonable again, with it's ram usage |
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| 08:50.09 | Lukemob | hello, anybody has experience with Xen? |
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| 08:51.50 | WormFood | I'm sure someone has experience with xen |
| 08:52.02 | grebur | Hi all |
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| 08:52.46 | Lukemob | 09:48 Lukemob I can create a VM without problem, connect to it, but whenever I try to connect somewhere, it doesn't work |
| 08:52.46 | Lukemob | 09:49 Lukemob it can't even ping the host dom0, and from host it's not possible to ping VM domU |
| 08:52.46 | Lukemob | 09:49 Lukemob when I try to ping dom0 from VM, it says Host Unreachable |
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| 08:54.59 | grebur | Can tell me anyone if I want minimal debian install it's enough first debian cd or more sure first dvd? |
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| 08:59.09 | Lukemob | grebur, you will be fine with first CD |
| 08:59.38 | grebur | ok thanks, have a nice day |
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| 09:15.20 | Diopter | Lukemob: What's your VM's networking look like? Can you pastebin "ip a", "ip r" and "iptables-save"? |
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| 09:17.47 | Lukemob | Diopter, are we talking about dom0 network configuration? |
| 09:18.14 | Diopter | Lukemob: I'm talking about inside the VM. |
| 09:18.22 | Diopter | Assuming you're running *n?x VMs |
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| 09:19.58 | Lukemob | yes, it's running Debian Squeeze same as dom0 |
| 09:20.04 | moebius | is it possible that 32bit debian gets more easily overloaded on amd64 machine than amd64 debian? |
| 09:20.10 | moebius | cause i've noticed something like that... |
| 09:20.29 | Diopter | Lukemob: cool. Pastebin ahoy, so we can see if the guest's networking is the issue, and work out from there |
| 09:21.56 | moebius | for example, if i'm talking on skype and sharing my screen and also running flash video my CPU goes 100% |
| 09:22.30 | moebius | i'm not sure if the same happened on amd64 system... but something tells me that's a tiny bit sooner than usual. |
| 09:22.35 | Lukemob | Diopter, http://pastebin.com/6c1fNXwT |
| 09:22.38 | simonlnu | it's flash, it pins the cpu anyway |
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| 09:22.57 | Diopter | Flash requires a CPU sacrifice to be summoned |
| 09:23.00 | freeone3000 | Question regarding cpufreqd. I've got a new shiny i3, with speedstep. However, cpufreqd complains "No cpufreq interface found, not starting cpufreqd." Kernel is "Linux leyline 2.6.32-5-amd64 #1 SMP Mon Oct 3 03:59:20 UTC 2011 x86_64 GNU/Linux". Any ideas why? |
| 09:23.03 | moebius | simonlnu, well.. i know that on linux it's kinda more consuming, also on skype if you share the screen it gets most of your resources. |
| 09:23.08 | freeone3000 | (Also, apparently my kernel was compiled in the future.) |
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| 09:23.19 | moebius | and altogether it just hits the counter |
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| 09:23.36 | simonlnu | and skype well, that's another resource suck |
| 09:23.42 | Diopter | Lukemob: Cool, so is xx.xx.x7.129 on the host? |
| 09:23.42 | moebius | right... oh well. |
| 09:23.50 | moebius | then it's fine :) |
| 09:24.15 | moebius | the thing is.. i'm using 32bit Debian just because of skype, cause on amd64 one it crashes unmercifully. |
| 09:24.21 | simonlnu | idle it uses about 10-20% here... |
| 09:24.25 | moebius | and yes, this problem has been reported many times. |
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| 09:24.35 | moebius | WHAT?! FOr me it's usually 4-6% |
| 09:24.36 | moebius | if idle |
| 09:24.59 | simonlnu | older box |
| 09:25.31 | moebius | ah, i see... also i have one more prob.... i have 4gb memory, on amd64 debian it shows usually 3.9, now it's 3.1... well, no wonder, 32bit doesn't see the rest of it.. any ideas how to solve this? |
| 09:25.34 | Lukemob | Diopter, it is the dom0 eth0 gateway |
| 09:25.52 | moebius | so i guess 3 is the limit for 32bit, huh |
| 09:25.55 | Diopter | Lukemob: Sweet. Can you ping it from the guest? |
| 09:26.18 | Lukemob | Diopter, no I can't ping host from guest nor vice versa |
| 09:26.25 | simonlnu | moebius: the pae kernels should fix that |
| 09:26.25 | Diopter | moebius: You can use a PAE kernel, and get up to 64GB |
| 09:26.34 | moebius | wow, thanks for advice |
| 09:26.39 | Diopter | But there are a lot of other benefits to running 64bit vs 32bit |
| 09:26.39 | Lukemob | Diopter, they don't communicate each other |
| 09:26.46 | simonlnu | squeeze doesn't have those - you'll need a bdo kernel |
| 09:26.56 | Diopter | Lukemob: Ok. What kind of networking model are you using? Bridged? |
| 09:27.02 | moebius | simonlnu, the one i'm using right now i compiled myself |
| 09:27.03 | Lukemob | Diopter, correct |
| 09:27.17 | simonlnu | ah so enable pae in it |
| 09:27.26 | Diopter | Lukemob: What's the networking layout look like on the host, if you're cool with some more pastebinning |
| 09:27.35 | simonlnu | it's early in the enuconfig options near cpu ;p |
| 09:27.39 | moebius | simonlnu, really? Do i have to recompile it for that or just go to some settings |
| 09:27.39 | simonlnu | menu* |
| 09:27.46 | simonlnu | yeh |
| 09:27.51 | simonlnu | #1 |
| 09:27.57 | moebius | aha. ok. THanks a lot man :) |
| 09:28.02 | simonlnu | np |
| 09:28.02 | moebius | that's a good hint. |
| 09:28.14 | simonlnu | !pae |
| 09:28.15 | dpkg | Physical Address Extension (PAE) is an x86 processor feature allowing more than 4 gigabytes of physical memory to be used. Linux supports PAE since version 2.3.23 (up to 64 GB of memory on 32-bit systems). PAE is supported by the Intel Pentium Pro/II/III/4/4M/D, Xeon, Core and Atom; AMD Geode NX, Athlon (K7), Duron, Opteron, Sempron, Turion and Phenom; Transmeta Efficeon; VIA C7 and some others. Ask me about <bigmem>, <686-pae>. |
| 09:28.26 | moebius | grrrrreaat :) |
| 09:29.28 | moebius | simonlnu, one guy told me yesterday that he gets amd64 kernel for 32bit system to get all of it :) That sounded kinda weird to me. Now that sounds a more humanlike solution |
| 09:29.55 | Lukemob | Diopter, http://pastebin.com/yhszDDCY |
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| 09:30.32 | freeone3000 | Especially since a amd64 kernel will not run on a 32-bit system, at all. |
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| 09:31.01 | vbrummond | I have heard of folks using amd64 kernels |
| 09:31.09 | moebius | hey vbrummond :) |
| 09:31.17 | vbrummond | hi :) |
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| 09:31.33 | moebius | vbrummond, by the way, i guess once again you didn't realize that it was me on Gnome 3.2 thread on the forum ;) |
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| 09:31.43 | moebius | vbrummond, considering your replies, hehe |
| 09:31.44 | vbrummond | no i did, im just a jerk :P |
| 09:31.47 | simonlnu | sure. using a 64b kernel with 32b userspace |
| 09:31.47 | moebius | hehe, it's ok |
| 09:31.56 | moebius | vbrummond, anyway, i was too much emotional about it too |
| 09:32.06 | vbrummond | yup all we can do is use what works :) |
| 09:32.12 | skilz | How can I compress a .avi file? |
| 09:32.14 | moebius | simonlnu, but that basically makes your system to be 64bit, right? |
| 09:32.34 | Diopter | Lukemob: You've got a pair of default routes out the same interface, which is probably not what you want. |
| 09:32.41 | freeone3000 | skilz: Poorly. |
| 09:32.51 | moebius | simonlnu, that uses 32bit libs and stuff? |
| 09:32.54 | vbrummond | just the kernel |
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| 09:33.13 | freeone3000 | skilz: Your lossless options are your standard PKZIP, BZ2, and so on. These are not great for video, because it's already compressed, so you won't get much out of it for the size/speed you put in. |
| 09:33.15 | moebius | vbrummond, right, but what about cores and memory? Does it use both cores if i have amd64? |
| 09:33.42 | Diopter | Lukemob: I realise they're different subnets both on eth0, and it doesn't affect your guest communication since it's on one of your directly connected subnets, but still |
| 09:33.43 | vbrummond | debian even packages amd64 kernel for i386, but i have never tried it so i do not know the disadvantages or changes from using a native bit kernel; though i do know of folks that have done so |
| 09:33.48 | simonlnu | moebius: like i said. install 64b kernel on 32b userspace. |
| 09:34.03 | skilz | I just want to convert a 570mb file I want to make around 5mb |
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| 09:34.14 | skilz | It's less then 2 mins long |
| 09:34.34 | moebius | also, one more question to all of ye... not that i've noticed any probs, but when compiling kernel it shows a few warnings, but apparently those are not fatal. Is that inevitable or there's some way of getting rid of it? |
| 09:34.35 | freeone3000 | skilz: Your good options are to re-encode the video, and then the outcome can never be better than the source, and will probably be worse. H.264 is the best codec currently, but may have patent issues in your area. This also takes longer, but can actually reduce the filesize to the range of your target. |
| 09:34.36 | skilz | I took it with my webcam and didn't realise I had no compression enabled :/ |
| 09:34.58 | Lukemob | Diopter, I got a few IP's from DC a few from different subnets |
| 09:35.03 | simonlnu | moebius: that depends on upstream |
| 09:35.05 | freeone3000 | skilz: With H.264, though, you'll want a MP4 or MKV container, though, not AVI. |
| 09:35.06 | skilz | freeone3000, How do I do that? |
| 09:35.09 | vbrummond | moebius; if the warnings bother you, go into kernel debugging of menuconfig and disable them, if they arent fatal its probably no problem |
| 09:35.09 | skilz | What program? |
| 09:35.14 | freeone3000 | skilz: mencoder |
| 09:35.17 | Lukemob | but it has no effect if I keep only 1 of them.. the one which guest is using |
| 09:35.22 | skilz | Okay, is it gui? |
| 09:35.26 | Lukemob | Diopter, but it has no effect if I keep only 1 of them.. the one which guest is using |
| 09:35.27 | moebius | vbrummond, i didn't notice any probs. And neither dmesg shows any errors and stuff. Nothing. |
| 09:35.31 | freeone3000 | skilz: No, but there's a half-dozen frontends available. |
| 09:35.49 | vbrummond | then it's ok, the warnings are quite normal |
| 09:35.53 | moebius | ok, then if i just dont' wanna see them i can disable debugging. |
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| 09:35.55 | moebius | ok, thanks :) |
| 09:36.22 | skilz | freeone3000, Can VLC do it? |
| 09:36.28 | Diopter | Lukemob: I forget how Xen does bridging precisely, peth0 has the same mac as eth0, so I assume it's the bridge, and is bridging eth0 and vif16.0 |
| 09:36.48 | freeone3000 | skilz: I wouldn't expect anywhere near the compression you're looking for without manually tuning the options. |
| 09:36.54 | Diopter | Lukemob: can you ping the host's IPs from another box? |
| 09:36.59 | freeone3000 | skilz: VLC doesn't offer that featureset, last I checked; 2.0 may have improved. |
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| 09:37.30 | moebius | hm.. file-roller also gets 100%... whenever it's to deal with files it takes most of it.. |
| 09:37.47 | Lukemob | Diopter, yes I can - this works perfectly. The bridge setup is following, looks like eth0 is the bridge itself: http://pastebin.com/TMvVAzTX |
| 09:37.49 | moebius | archives, compiling... all that is quite consuming... |
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| 09:38.07 | vbrummond | moebius: that is the desired behavior for such a program :) |
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| 09:38.19 | moebius | vbrummond, yeah, apparently.. |
| 09:38.34 | Diopter | Lukemob: orite. That's what Xen does. peth = physical ethernet |
| 09:38.45 | skilz | freeone3000, Okay it's a video of my daughter playing so I really wanted to put it on spacebook but it's waaaaay too big. |
| 09:38.49 | Diopter | That makes more sense then, because the bridge should have the IPs |
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| 09:38.57 | vbrummond | if you want it to consume most of the idle cpu time; yet not interrupt your running programs call it with nice, such as: nice xz filename |
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| 09:39.18 | moebius | this one is bz2 ;) |
| 09:39.36 | epicfail | hi nerds |
| 09:39.46 | epicfail | how do i add something to autostart as root? |
| 09:40.27 | Diopter | Lukemob: sysctl -a | grep ip_forward |
| 09:40.30 | Lukemob | Diopter, well, yes. But this is the auto and default configuration of Xen |
| 09:40.43 | vbrummond | well mr epicfail: do you want this to start with your xserver or in the background with the system? |
| 09:41.07 | Lukemob | Diopter, http://pastebin.com/Pjh43k9F |
| 09:41.14 | epicfail | vbrummond, bachrground |
| 09:41.18 | Diopter | Lukemob: And there's your problem :) |
| 09:41.31 | vbrummond | well if it isnt a graphical application just add the command to /etc/rc.local |
| 09:41.34 | Diopter | Lukemob: sysctl -w net.ipv4.ip_forward=1, and update it in /etc/sysctl.conf as well |
| 09:41.49 | vbrummond | it should start along with the multi-user runlevel |
| 09:42.29 | Diopter | Lukemob: Since you're not testing communication between the host and guest directly (i.e., to/from the host's .131), you're relying on the host to route the traffic out .129 |
| 09:42.34 | skilz | SysV init |
| 09:42.37 | Diopter | Lukemob: But without IP forwarding on, no routing will occur |
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| 09:46.30 | Lukemob | Diopter, thank you. But have a look when I try to ping from guest the host: http://pastebin.com/pu3kJ5LG |
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| 09:48.23 | Diopter | Lukemob: Might be that Xen adds some ebtables rules as well. Check ebtables -L, ebtables -t nat -L, ebtables -t broute -L |
| 09:48.30 | Diopter | Lukemob: See if anything is in there. |
| 09:48.39 | Lukemob | Diopter, ebtables are not installed |
| 09:48.40 | Diopter | Generally speaking you'd probably want host<->guest isolation |
| 09:48.49 | Diopter | Mm. Interesting. |
| 09:49.32 | Lukemob | Diopter, no, I want the guest to speak to all internet.. but it would be a one step closer when at least communication between host and guest works :-) |
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| 09:49.51 | Diopter | xx.xx.x7.128/27 via xx.xx.x7.129 dev eth0 <- this is a strange routing entry |
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| 09:50.12 | Diopter | You've got this already: xx.xx.x7.128/27 dev eth0 |
| 09:50.24 | Diopter | Because you've got an IP on the host in the .128/27 network |
| 09:50.58 | Diopter | And the host knows how to ARP on eth0 for other addresses in that network due to the /27 dev eth0 (with no via) |
| 09:51.20 | Diopter | You should really only need a default route that hops through .129 |
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| 09:52.03 | Lukemob | Diopter, maybe this would interest you http://pastebin.com/etvqxFqg |
| 09:52.14 | Lukemob | Diopter, settings in network/interfaces |
| 09:52.31 | Diopter | Yeah that's very strange. |
| 09:52.41 | Lukemob | should I try to comment it out? |
| 09:52.45 | Diopter | You're already on that subnet, unless this box plugs directly into a router and not a switch |
| 09:53.03 | Diopter | I think it's worth removing it from the routing table to see if your guest works |
| 09:53.11 | Diopter | The iptables rules couldn't be stopping it |
| 09:53.13 | Lukemob | this was set by default by DC |
| 09:53.17 | Diopter | mm |
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| 09:53.27 | Lukemob | let's just try it |
| 09:53.28 | Diopter | Well, you can remove it then reinsert it if nothing changes |
| 09:53.42 | Diopter | ip r d xx.xx.x7.128/27 via xx.xx.x7.129 dev eth0 <- easy |
| 09:53.48 | Diopter | Assuming you replace your x's ;P |
| 09:53.59 | Diopter | Then you can just ip r a xx.xx.x7.128/27 via xx.xx.x7.129 dev eth0 to re-add |
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| 09:54.15 | freeone3000 | Found the answer, forgot to modprobe my userspace modules in with ssysfd.conf. Thanks, all. |
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| 09:56.47 | Lukemob | Diopter, no help, Destination Host Unreachable when pinging from guest to host |
| 09:57.29 | Diopter | Lukemob: Did you make sure the route is actually gone? |
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| 09:57.48 | Diopter | Actually, wait. Unreachable... |
| 09:57.50 | Lukemob | Diopter, yes.. |
| 09:58.00 | Diopter | That should mean that it's unable to get an ARP response |
| 09:58.16 | Diopter | Check the ARP table (arp -na) to see if there's a MAC associated with the IP |
| 09:58.21 | Diopter | (check it on the guest) |
| 09:58.58 | Lukemob | hmm, Diopter: ? (xx.xx.x7.131) at <incomplete> on eth0 |
| 09:59.07 | Diopter | Yeah, it's not getting ARP responses |
| 09:59.24 | Diopter | Check arptables on the host. Must be filtering there :) |
| 09:59.32 | fasta | Is there any tool which can measure performance correctly without segfaulting? |
| 09:59.51 | Diopter | fasta: Sounds like you're having fun with blowing up some tool :P |
| 09:59.57 | Lukemob | Diopter, is it ? arptables -l? |
| 09:59.58 | fasta | oprofile has been deprecated, perf segfaults, valgrind segfaults. |
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| 10:00.18 | Lukemob | Diopter, it looks like arptables not installed |
| 10:00.23 | fasta | Diopter: all of them seem to suck. |
| 10:00.51 | Diopter | Lukemob: Install it and ebtables. Xen might be using netlink sockets to set rules, without the userspace tool |
| 10:01.27 | Diopter | fasta: Haven't ever had any issues with perf or valgrind. Are you getting oomkilled from too much memory pressure or something? |
| 10:01.38 | fasta | Diopter: no. |
| 10:01.47 | fasta | Diopter: try to run valgrind on mplayer. |
| 10:02.14 | fasta | Diopter: first you have to compile mplayer with the right options such that you can see source code, etc. |
| 10:02.17 | Diopter | Actually that might be one area I could see a segfault maybe happening. |
| 10:02.46 | fasta | Diopter: and for perf, how do you annotate a simple helloworld.c program with its C source code? |
| 10:02.47 | Diopter | Doesn't mplayer involved a lot of processor instruction extensions that get activated dynamically based on your architecture? |
| 10:02.58 | fasta | Diopter: yes |
| 10:03.08 | fasta | Diopter: I don't see why valgrind would not be able to do that too. |
| 10:03.19 | Diopter | I could see the potential for valgrind to make a poor assumption, though I wouldn't expect it. |
| 10:03.30 | fasta | Diopter: but I would be more interested in perf. |
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| 10:04.07 | fasta | Diopter: so, if you would be able to provide such a working example (a sequence of commands leading to a state where I can see printf("Hello"); on my screen in perf, that would be great. |
| 10:04.47 | Diopter | Lukemob: And yes, arptables -L |
| 10:04.54 | Diopter | fasta: Hrm. Let me see |
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| 10:07.25 | Diopter | fasta: What perf command(s) were you hoping to run? |
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| 10:08.06 | fasta | Diopter: perf annotate |
| 10:08.19 | fasta | Diopter: or perf annotate --source (but that's default) |
| 10:09.06 | Benkinooby | hi, i mounted a big remote directory and want to copy its files to my hdd. what command (+ parameters) can you recommend? |
| 10:09.23 | moebius | i always get to see this "crypto/anubis.c: In function anubis_crypt:" |
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| 10:09.30 | moebius | anyone knows what that thing is? :) |
| 10:09.39 | moebius | crypto/anubis.c:581: warning: inter is used uninitialized in this function |
| 10:09.51 | fasta | moebius: yes |
| 10:09.55 | Diopter | Benkinooby: Do you want to copy everything exactly? Permissions, owner:group, symlinks, attrs/ACLs, etc? |
| 10:10.01 | moebius | fasta, yes what? |
| 10:10.38 | Benkinooby | Diopter, hm, guess not... they are install files... or can i "risk" a install without having the files locally? |
| 10:11.13 | Benkinooby | Diopter, the files will be deleted from my hdd after install and the mount will be unmounted |
| 10:12.11 | Benkinooby | i was just wondering if i should use rcp, rsync, scp (although i think scp is not needed because i'm in a vpn already) |
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| 10:12.34 | fasta | moebius: it means that the program could have unpredictable behaviour. |
| 10:12.37 | Diopter | Benkinooby: rsync is almost always the right answer for networked file copying of any magnitude or extent |
| 10:12.43 | fasta | moebius: perhaps even undefined behavior. |
| 10:12.46 | moebius | fasta, you're a genious! |
| 10:12.48 | moebius | :) |
| 10:13.27 | Benkinooby | Diopter, oh, that's nice to hear :) |
| 10:13.39 | fasta | moebius: what do you expect? |
| 10:13.56 | fasta | moebius: I am not familiar with the 100B lines of code which likely exist. |
| 10:14.07 | Diopter | fasta: So... installing mplayer-dbg and using perf record/perf annotate worked. |
| 10:14.17 | moebius | fasta, i expected anyone to say either how you get rid of it or to tell how much crucial that thing is :) |
| 10:14.19 | Diopter | fasta: Played a bit of a video file, annotated the perf.data... |
| 10:14.27 | fasta | Diopter: so, you can see actual source code? |
| 10:14.33 | fasta | Diopter: because that was the question. |
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| 10:15.14 | fasta | moebius: you get rid of it by fixing the software. |
| 10:15.28 | fasta | moebius: if you cannot do that yourself, report to the maintainers, or pay someone. |
| 10:15.29 | moebius | fasta, again, genious. ) |
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| 10:15.44 | fasta | moebius: I am not asking the stupid questions here. |
| 10:15.52 | moebius | listen.. just... don't write anything, ok? :) |
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| 10:16.10 | mariok | hi debian channel |
| 10:16.19 | fasta | moebius: how am I supposed to know what you know? |
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| 10:16.36 | kallisti | where do I find alsa logs? |
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| 10:16.38 | kallisti | I think alsa is messing up. |
| 10:16.41 | moebius | fasta, ok, listen, i'm compiling kernel here. That's the line i get in process. Get it? |
| 10:16.48 | moebius | kallisti, tell me your prob |
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| 10:16.55 | moebius | kallisti, i'm quite familiar with that sucker ;) |
| 10:16.57 | fasta | moebius: and how was I supposed to know that? |
| 10:17.04 | kallisti | moebius: it... stopped working suddenly and won't work? |
| 10:17.05 | moebius | kallisti, let me guess... your sound dissappears if two or more playbacks on, right? |
| 10:17.08 | fasta | moebius: do you think that people not compile something else? |
| 10:17.08 | moebius | haha |
| 10:17.09 | moebius | gotcha |
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| 10:17.29 | moebius | kallisti, ok, download module-assistant first. |
| 10:17.32 | kallisti | moebius: if I knew where log information was kept I could get actual information. |
| 10:17.35 | kallisti | moebius: done |
| 10:17.46 | moebius | kallisti, did you rebuild alsa modules from source? |
| 10:17.48 | fasta | moebius: a warning is not always a problem. |
| 10:17.49 | streuner_ | moebius: try #kernelnewbies at OFTC |
| 10:17.53 | simonlnu | kallisti: alsa logs to syslog if there's problems |
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| 10:18.08 | mariok | is there someone how can help me with my apt-move problem (http://bugs.debian.org/662003) |
| 10:18.55 | moebius | kallisti, listen, i've had your prob. Sound dissappears when you run something else that requires audio while another playback is on, am i right? |
| 10:18.55 | fasta | Diopter: yes? |
| 10:18.55 | mariok | it seems the package apt-move has no maintainer and I don't know what to do else as asking in the friendly Debian support channel on IRC. |
| 10:18.55 | kallisti | moebius: no... |
| 10:18.55 | kallisti | there's an error that happens at startup |
| 10:18.55 | moebius | kallisti, hm. You mean it just plays and then dissappears without you doing anything? |
| 10:18.55 | kallisti | I saw it briefly. |
| 10:18.58 | moebius | ok then. |
| 10:19.00 | moebius | i dunno. |
| 10:19.02 | kallisti | correct. |
| 10:19.09 | fasta | mariok: there is a procedure for that. |
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| 10:19.15 | moebius | kallisti, which kernel? |
| 10:19.16 | moebius | kallisti, 3.2? |
| 10:19.19 | kallisti | yeah |
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| 10:19.25 | fasta | mariok: bugs reported for such unmaintained packages are still sent to some e-mail address. |
| 10:19.26 | moebius | kallisti, gotcha. I got the same with 3.2. Dunno why. |
| 10:19.33 | fasta | mariok: and I think people even respond to it. |
| 10:19.35 | moebius | kallisti, that;s why i don't wanna use it. |
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| 10:19.59 | moebius | kallisti, sound just dissappears completely on startup. |
| 10:19.59 | Diopter | fasta: Busy. Will get back to it |
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| 10:20.02 | fasta | Diopter: ok, I won't run. |
| 10:20.13 | moebius | kallisti, if i were you id just refrain from using 3.2. |
| 10:20.18 | moebius | kallisti, but that's only my position. |
| 10:20.36 | mariok | fasta: As I wrote in the bug I was able to fix one issue of the problem but there is another. |
| 10:20.47 | moebius | kallisti, if you switch to older one back you'll see that your sound is alright again :) |
| 10:20.53 | mariok | fasta: apt-move seems to use gawk Scripts and I'm helpless with that at all. |
| 10:21.03 | moebius | kallisti, you got the kernel from backports, right? |
| 10:21.24 | kallisti | I have no idea. |
| 10:21.36 | moebius | kallisti, pff.. are you kidding?.. |
| 10:21.39 | kallisti | no |
| 10:21.42 | moebius | kallisti, again... which version of kernel? |
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| 10:22.47 | kallisti | $ uname -r |
| 10:22.50 | kallisti | 3.2.0-1-amd64 |
| 10:22.52 | moebius | ok |
| 10:22.53 | kallisti | why are you asking me again? |
| 10:23.01 | moebius | because i want to make sure you know what i'm asking you. |
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| 10:23.20 | moebius | and again i'm telling you, that this problem exists only using kernel 3.2. I've personally encountered that. |
| 10:23.22 | fasta | Diopter: FYI, I did the same thing and all I got was assembly information. |
| 10:23.37 | moebius | and no, i dunno how to fix this. BUT.. if you get an older kernel yout audio will be alright. I'm telling you this for sure. |
| 10:23.41 | moebius | just a bit older one. |
| 10:23.51 | moebius | but hey... |
| 10:23.58 | Diopter | fasta: Looks like you also need to compile with -ggdb, for one thing |
| 10:24.03 | moebius | what debian version? Testing? |
| 10:24.15 | kallisti | yep. |
| 10:24.15 | Diopter | To get both source and assembly |
| 10:24.15 | moebius | i see. Same thing i had. And your audio is Intel HDA? |
| 10:24.37 | kallisti | moebius: also I'm not going to switch kernel versions because some guy says I should, with zero information on what the actual problem is. |
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| 10:24.58 | moebius | kallisti, the thing is.. you might never find out. |
| 10:25.13 | kallisti | $ lspci | grep -i audio |
| 10:25.14 | kallisti | 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 5 Series/3400 Series Chipset High Definition Audio (rev 06) |
| 10:25.16 | kallisti | yep |
| 10:25.18 | moebius | kallisti, but keep on trying man. Sorry, i can't help ya. But at least i'm somewhat familiar with the actual prob. |
| 10:25.22 | moebius | i see. |
| 10:25.32 | kallisti | what's strange is that it was working fine |
| 10:25.36 | moebius | well, HDA's are pain in the ass. |
| 10:25.41 | moebius | kallisti, it was working fine on Testing?.. |
| 10:25.49 | moebius | kallisti, or other version/distro? |
| 10:25.50 | kallisti | and then started repeating the same few seconds of audio (likely repeating the audio buffer or something) |
| 10:25.56 | kallisti | and then stopped working |
| 10:26.00 | kallisti | and now doesn't work after startup. |
| 10:26.03 | kallisti | and I can't seem to find any log info. |
| 10:26.04 | kallisti | about it. |
| 10:26.38 | Diopter | kallisti: Have you checked dmesg? |
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| 10:26.56 | kallisti | Diopter: I did grep -i alsa yes |
| 10:26.59 | kallisti | doesn't show anything |
| 10:27.07 | Benkinooby | Dibbler, thank you for your time and interest... i use rsync -rvPh now (-P because there is one 6GB file) |
| 10:27.20 | streuner_ | kallisti: what's the pciid for that chipset? (lspci -nn) |
| 10:28.07 | kallisti | [8086:3b56] |
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| 10:29.09 | mariok | which tool is used by the Debian project to generate the Package{.gz,.bz2} Files? |
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| 10:29.20 | mariok | which tool is used by the Debian project to generate the Packages{.gz,.bz2} Files? |
| 10:29.45 | kallisti | tar? |
| 10:30.06 | kallisti | depends on what you're talking about exactly. |
| 10:30.33 | kallisti | .gz and .bz2 are compression formats. they don't really have anything to do with "packages", per se. |
| 10:30.53 | streuner_ | kallisti: you should just google with the pciid and the kernel itself, it might be a bug in snd-hda-intel... |
| 10:32.04 | streuner_ | kallisti: that happend to me for my chipset [8086:27d8], its just a bug in newer kernels, but not fixed |
| 10:32.07 | mariok | kallisti: I mean the content of the Packages file. |
| 10:32.29 | streuner_ | kallisti: well, OSS4 supports it fine, easy to use in Debian via dkms |
| 10:33.05 | kallisti | oh nevermind... I'm just dumb. :P |
| 10:33.12 | kallisti | I didn't check alsamixer. |
| 10:33.25 | streuner_ | that happens, no worries |
| 10:33.34 | kallisti | apparently it goes to zero on headphone/speaker when you reload alsa? |
| 10:34.03 | streuner_ | using a new kernel often just mute it, yes |
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| 10:34.14 | kallisti | that's no good, since I have my volume buttons controlling Master/PCM. |
| 10:34.22 | n3lThon | hi |
| 10:34.29 | kallisti | could just add an amixer command at startup or something. |
| 10:34.40 | skilz | How do I check what speed my ethernet card is capable of 10/100 or 1000? |
| 10:34.54 | skilz | lspci? |
| 10:34.56 | Diopter | skilz: ethtool or miitool |
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| 10:36.10 | skilz | Dibbler, lspci says 01:09.0 Ethernet controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4401 100Base-T (rev 01) |
| 10:36.24 | skilz | So I'm guessing 100 is the MAX speed? |
| 10:36.26 | kallisti | ...amixer doesn't seem to be very good at percentages. |
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| 10:36.55 | n3lThon | I have an old computer with debian 6, but it reboots without reason, how can I know what appens for it reboots? The reboot, seems like a crash since it does not shutdown, it's like when we press the reset button |
| 10:36.58 | kallisti | amixer set Headphone 50% sets it to 23%... |
| 10:36.59 | Diopter | skilz: Yes. |
| 10:37.03 | streuner_ | dpkg, bcm4401 |
| 10:37.04 | dpkg | streuner_: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 10:37.14 | streuner_ | dpkg, listkeys 4401 |
| 10:37.16 | dpkg | Factoid search of '4401' by key returned no results. |
| 10:37.23 | streuner_ | gives up for now :-) |
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| 10:37.56 | kallisti | is there a better way to set mixer levels at startup than just using amixer? |
| 10:38.39 | Diopter | kallisti: You can have alsa just save the previous levels on shutdown. |
| 10:38.56 | kallisti | where. how. etc |
| 10:39.09 | fasta | Diopter: I also did that. |
| 10:39.21 | fasta | Diopter: remember what I said? One complete example. |
| 10:39.28 | fasta | Diopter: not some random collection of facts. |
| 10:39.42 | Diopter | fasta: But the sky is blue, damnit. |
| 10:40.07 | fasta | Diopter: not from my window, randomly. |
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| 10:40.33 | kallisti | where do you configure alsa to do that? |
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| 10:42.12 | Diopter | kallisti: the alsa-utils service |
| 10:42.22 | Diopter | kallisti: Enable it to run. update-rc.d goodness |
| 10:43.18 | moebius | alsa-utils does no biggie for me usually. |
| 10:43.27 | moebius | i used to enable/disable it.. no change. |
| 10:44.16 | Diopter | Actually, it's already enabled in /etc/rcS.d |
| 10:44.27 | kallisti | looks like I want to use alsactl maybe? |
| 10:44.57 | mariok | bye |
| 10:45.00 | kallisti | hm,no. |
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| 10:45.23 | moebius | by the way, kernel 2.6.39 also got a little bug. ALSA works on it, but... when recording stuff or talking on skype you get this scratchy static noise. |
| 10:45.23 | moebius | that's my experience. |
| 10:45.35 | kallisti | Diopter: so if I have alsa-utils running it should "just work"? |
| 10:45.43 | moebius | so yeah, the best option at least for audio is 2.6.38. No probs there. |
| 10:46.01 | kallisti | Use of uninitialized value in string eq at /usr/sbin/update-rc.d line 500. |
| 10:46.13 | kallisti | update-rc.d: warning: alsa-utils start runlevel arguments (none) do not match LSB Default-Start values (S) |
| 10:46.13 | kallisti | update-rc.d: warning: alsa-utils stop runlevel arguments (none) do not match LSB Default-Stop values (0 1 6) |
| 10:46.20 | kallisti | here's what happens when I do update-rc.d alsa-utils start |
| 10:46.28 | Diopter | kallisti: Ostensibly it should already be working due to being in S |
| 10:46.31 | Diopter | heh |
| 10:46.50 | kallisti | hmmm, maybe it was because I did a reload of ALSA |
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| 10:47.20 | kallisti | if reloading ALSA sets the mixer levels to 0, and alsa-utils saves mixer states |
| 10:47.24 | kallisti | then that would make sense. |
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| 10:48.40 | Diopter | kallisti: So set your levels and alsactl store |
| 10:49.20 | kallisti | hmm, weird, there was a PCM mixer before and now it's gone? |
| 10:49.27 | kallisti | PCM channel rather. |
| 10:49.32 | rossmohax | Hi guys! Once I've built a package say using cowbuilder how can I add additional step before publishing to my repo? I'd like to run some tests like installing/deinstalling package to make sure that there is no file conflicts or postinst scripts are correct |
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| 10:51.13 | kallisti | Diopter: ah, yep, that did it. now if I have to reload alsa it saves the mixer state. |
| 10:51.20 | kallisti | or well, that particular one. |
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| 10:54.09 | gomoran | Is it policy to not have web-software-packages in Debian any more? (p.e. egroupware, serendipity) |
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| 10:55.28 | nkuttler | gomoran: no |
| 10:56.42 | Rienzilla | Hmm, what would be the best way on a debian system to run two instances of apache (running at least as a different user, bound on a different address, using a different documentroot)? |
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| 10:59.26 | nkuttler | Rienzilla: hm, why would you want to do that? |
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| 11:00.37 | gomoran | nkuttler: So, why are there no packages any more? |
| 11:00.56 | nkuttler | gomoran: if they were removed check the bts |
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| 11:01.28 | kallisti | configuring the touchpad lock key to work correctly is likely an ACPI thing right? |
| 11:01.44 | nkuttler | Rienzilla: if you just want different users you can look into suexec, the rest is really just vhost stuff |
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| 11:04.59 | kallepersson | Hi! I'm running wheezy/sid (output of /etc/debian_version). Somehow my /etc/rc6.d/K00vzreboot file is corrupt |
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| 11:05.27 | kallisti | kallepersson: would you like to borrow mine? :P |
| 11:05.34 | kallepersson | that'd be great thanks |
| 11:05.55 | kallepersson | "#!/bin/bash ./reboot" is all it contains |
| 11:06.17 | gtklocker | hello guys, I have a weird problem: I've configured my wifi to connect from /etc/interfaces/network (I think) and I like it with wpa_supplicant variables from there. It connects with a static IP. Well after a while, approx. 30m or so, I can't ping the machine with its local IP (say 192.168.1.x) (I also can't ssh to it) but I can ssh to it if I use a domain with an A record pointed to my network's external address (with the :22 port forw |
| 11:06.19 | kallisti | oh wait |
| 11:06.22 | kallisti | mine's called K12reboot |
| 11:06.24 | kallepersson | One previous version had a bug or something, so I remember editing it manually once. |
| 11:06.32 | kallisti | does that matter? |
| 11:06.52 | kallepersson | kallisti: I have a K09reboot |
| 11:07.00 | kallepersson | looking for the K??vzreboot |
| 11:07.36 | kallisti | http://sprunge.us/MZiV try this one. |
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| 11:07.56 | kallepersson | Sorry, that's the reboot script |
| 11:08.08 | kallepersson | same as my K09reboot |
| 11:08.18 | kallepersson | not the one I need |
| 11:08.18 | Rienzilla | nkuttler: I want to do that because I have a web application consisting of to parts which needs access to a shared database and filesystem |
| 11:08.18 | Rienzilla | and |
| 11:08.38 | ruif13 | hi, i run insserv and output |
| 11:08.41 | Rienzilla | part of the filesystem is a setuid binary which may only be executed by one part of the webapp, not the other |
| 11:08.41 | kallisti | oh vzreboot |
| 11:08.50 | ruif13 | insserv: warning: script 'K01lm_sensors' missing LSB tags and overrides |
| 11:08.54 | ruif13 | anyone can help? |
| 11:09.29 | kallisti | kallepersson: nevermind. I apparently don't have a file named anything like that. |
| 11:09.36 | kallepersson | oh |
| 11:09.36 | kallepersson | np |
| 11:10.08 | kallepersson | oh this might help |
| 11:10.08 | kallepersson | http://us.generation-nt.com/answer/bug-576227-insserv-warning-script-corrupt-invalid-init-rc6-s00vzreboot-help-196897572.html |
| 11:10.21 | cesaro | oh |
| 11:10.22 | cesaro | i get that |
| 11:10.28 | cesaro | its missing some headers |
| 11:10.35 | cesaro | well not a header ig uess |
| 11:10.39 | cesaro | some metacrap at the top of th einit script |
| 11:11.03 | kallisti | criticial metacrap, apparently. |
| 11:11.32 | ruif13 | how can i solve that? |
| 11:11.37 | ruif13 | remove lm_sensors? |
| 11:11.52 | cesaro | just copy the metacrap from somewhere else. |
| 11:11.55 | Rienzilla | nkuttler: and so, I doubt vhosts is enough, since then both webservers will have execute access to that binary |
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| 11:19.06 | Lukemob | Diopter, great job sir, it now communicates with the host.. you're great! |
| 11:19.21 | Diopter | Lukemob: Glad to help! |
| 11:19.41 | Lukemob | Diopter, now the problem is just.. that it doesn't communicate with internet |
| 11:20.07 | Diopter | Lukemob: Hah. What did you change besides the ip_forward sysctl? |
| 11:20.15 | Lukemob | 1 |
| 11:20.28 | Diopter | Oh, wait, you didn't have any iptables rules in postrouting |
| 11:20.33 | Diopter | You need a SNAT or MASQUERADE |
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| 11:21.10 | Lukemob | Diopter, are we still talking about bridging? |
| 11:21.54 | Diopter | Lukemob: No. But I also just remembered you were using public IPs on your guest directly, so ignore that SNAT comment :P |
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| 11:23.45 | Diopter | Lukemob: So your guest can ping the host... can your guest ping the gateway (.129)? |
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| 11:23.58 | Lukemob | Diopter correct. Now one maybe stupid question, do I need to add eth0:0 on the host with public IP to make working guest? |
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| 11:24.36 | Diopter | Lukemob: Shouldn't need to, no. Can you ping 8.8.8.8 from the guest? |
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| 11:25.03 | Pikkachu | given a new upstream version is there any sense in packaging it myself to make its adoption by package managers faster or possible at all? |
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| 11:25.41 | Lukemob | Diopter, no I can't. It says: From xx.xx.x7.156 icmp_seq=1 Destination Host Unreachable, where x7.156 is the guest IP |
| 11:26.02 | Lukemob | Diopter, maybe I should really try to set the IP on the host as eth0:0? |
| 11:27.04 | Diopter | Lukemob: Putting the guest's IP on the host can't be required for the guest itself to talk through the host, but you could certainly test to see if the host -- using that IP -- can talk to the internet |
| 11:29.14 | Lukemob | Diopter, I'm sure it can.. it looks like it can communicate only with IP's in its subnet.. so maybe some routing problem? |
| 11:29.46 | Lukemob | Diopter, truth, that gateway is in its subnet and cant ping it. bad question |
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| 11:30.46 | Diopter | Are there arptables/ebtables rules after all? |
| 11:31.22 | Lukemob | both empty, policies ACCEPT |
| 11:31.35 | Diopter | Ok |
| 11:32.10 | Diopter | So it sounds like the gateway has some routing or policy issue with the guest's IP |
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| 11:36.50 | Lukemob | Diopter, bridging shouldn't be affect by gateway in any way, should it? |
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| 11:37.26 | Diopter | Lukemob: No |
| 11:37.41 | Diopter | Bridging is Layer 2, gateways are for IP, and are Layer 3 |
| 11:38.36 | Lukemob | Diopter, but when the bridging is setup, gateway shouldn't even know about some guest, am I wrong? |
| 11:39.12 | Diopter | Lukemob: No, it will. The bridge does what it says |
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| 11:39.23 | user_CL | hi friend !!! |
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| 11:39.32 | Diopter | It bridges the guest vif with the physical interfact that's ultimately connected to the gateway. |
| 11:39.36 | user_CL | any know one portal cautive for debian ? |
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| 11:40.12 | Lukemob | Diopter, should I contact the datacenter? |
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| 11:41.37 | Lukemob | Diopter, or is there anything more we could try? I believe the DC don't block out any traffic or something.. |
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| 11:42.52 | Rienzilla | oh... there actually is support for multiple instances of apache2 in the package |
| 11:42.55 | Diopter | Lukemob: Did you ping from the guest's IP by putting it on the host? |
| 11:43.07 | Diopter | Lukemob: Like, ping -I <guest IP> <gateway IP>, on the host? |
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| 11:49.18 | Lukemob | Diopter one second |
| 11:49.59 | Lukemob | Diopter, works |
| 11:51.32 | Lukemob | aha wait |
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| 11:51.51 | Lukemob | Diopter, without setting it as eth0:0 I think it won't be possible |
| 11:52.00 | Diopter | Lukemob: I'm heading to bed. Good luck! |
| 11:52.26 | Lukemob | Diopter, well okay.. thank you very much for the help. I would never figure it out without you |
| 11:52.33 | Lukemob | Diopter, good night :-) |
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| 11:53.54 | val__ | trying to connect to another laptop in LAN through SSH at root terminal, get message "connect to host ip#, port 22, connection refused" |
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| 12:00.10 | Lukemob | val__, what is output from iptables -L? |
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| 12:03.22 | val__ | Lukemob, sorry, I am not sure what is iptables -L |
| 12:03.40 | Lukemob | can you connect to your server locally? |
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| 12:04.21 | Lukemob | val__, it looks like a firewall problem, or your sshd might not be running |
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| 12:04.57 | val__ | I can connect to my computer (laptop) from the other laptop, but not vise virsa. |
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| 12:05.50 | Lukemob | val__, you want to connect from remote computer to your own computer? |
| 12:05.52 | Lukemob | over ssh |
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| 12:06.59 | val__ | I tried connecting from remote computer to mine and it worked fine, but I can not connect from my computer to that remote computer |
| 12:07.59 | Lukemob | val__, then the problem is probably on the remote pc |
| 12:08.39 | Lukemob | have you got some other access to it? |
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| 12:09.42 | val__ | The remote computer has two OSs:debian and windows. Could this be a problem? |
| 12:10.00 | cesaro | port forwarding? |
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| 12:10.04 | cesaro | sshd running? |
| 12:11.23 | val__ | Lukemob, yes I have access to it. |
| 12:12.00 | Lukemob | val__, execute: /etc/init.d/ssh status |
| 12:12.03 | Lukemob | on the remote |
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| 12:15.04 | val__ | I will do that, but I have to wait because I started the upgrading of the remote computer and it is taking a while. Thanks |
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| 12:53.07 | mah454 | How can remote to linux system over invalid ip address ? |
| 12:53.24 | mah454 | i need idea ... |
| 12:53.55 | nkuttler | mah454: what? |
| 12:54.03 | cesaro | one could perhaps fix it. |
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| 12:54.23 | mah454 | nkuttler, i need : like TeamViewer over terminal ! |
| 12:54.57 | val__ | Lukemob, I did execute /etc/init.d/ssh on remote. No such file or directory. If I go to /etc/ssh, there is ssh_config file. Anything I can do here? |
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| 12:56.24 | Iridos | val__, may we introduce you to the wonders of bash tab completion? |
| 12:56.42 | Iridos | hm |
| 12:56.49 | nkuttler | mah454: gnu screen? |
| 12:56.59 | Iridos | also, if it's not called /etc/init.d/ssh it's not debian squeeze |
| 12:57.56 | val__ | Iridos, you are very polite, enlighten me |
| 12:59.02 | Iridos | val__, I first thought it's called "sshd" (which typeing /etc/init.d/ssh[tab] would have auto-completed) but just checked on my system... /etc/init.d/ssh is correct |
| 12:59.23 | azaghal | val__: dpkg -l openssh-server |
| 12:59.25 | cesaro | its sshd on bsd |
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| 13:00.37 | Iridos | I thin it used to be sshd in... dunno potato or so, too (not sure) |
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| 13:01.50 | val__ | azaghal, I did that and have openssh-server, version none, no description |
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| 13:03.11 | azaghal | val__: That's weird... Does it say 'ii' in front of it? |
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| 13:07.48 | val__ | azaghal, there un before openssh-server. I did aptitude search openssh and got i before openssh-client and p before openssh-server and I did aptitude install openssh-server |
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| 13:10.34 | val__ | azaghal, thanks a lot. I am able to SSH the remote computer now. |
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| 13:14.35 | azaghal | val__: Heheh. Btw, /etc/sshd_config is used by the server. |
| 13:14.44 | azaghal | */etc/ssh/sshd_config |
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| 13:19.40 | Zyrte- | Please, can you click , on my link : http://www.claimfans.com/ref.php?id=51647 |
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| 13:20.21 | val__ | azaghal, so i before openssh-client must mean installed and p before openssh-server not-installed? |
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| 13:22.13 | Lukemob | val__, install them both to be sure |
| 13:23.10 | Iridos | val__, the letters are explained above... as indicated by the ... kind of ascii arrows i is installed, p is for purge |
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| 13:25.12 | val__ | Lukemob, thanks, it works |
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| 13:25.53 | val__ | Iridos, thanks, it was very helpful |
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| 13:30.23 | Therion87 | Morning fellas |
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| 13:46.44 | simonlnu | local supermarket here has some data on sale for $0.99/kg |
| 13:47.04 | simonlnu | so, about 3 TB |
| 13:48.24 | max_sharpe | haha. |
| 13:48.33 | max_sharpe | only if its credit card data |
| 13:48.43 | max_sharpe | i wont pay that much per kg on porn. |
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| 13:53.30 | moebius | guys, what's wrong with source packages? |
| 13:53.32 | moebius | Failed to fetch http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/squeeze/updates/contrib/source/Sources.gz 404 Not Found [IP: 35.9.37.225 80] |
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| 13:54.08 | LinuxGuy2009 | Well I have to decide if I would rather change my distro from debian stable (REALLY dont want to do that) or take my new USB audio interface back to the store. All apps and ardour and JACK work with it just fine. However both iceweasel and chrome (manually installed) when playing flash video, the sound comes from the onboard audio out rather than the USB device even though I set up pulseaudio and have the onboard device turned off. No vo |
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| 13:55.18 | LinuxGuy2009 | I have tried 2 other live CDs and it works fine. But I dont want to ditch debian. I need the stability and reliability. |
| 13:56.19 | abrotman | LinuxGuy2009: what is your current kernel ? |
| 13:56.41 | abrotman | moebius: try another mirror .. pick one near you |
| 13:56.54 | LinuxGuy2009 | abrotman: 2.6.32-5-686-bigmem |
| 13:57.01 | moebius | abrotman, i'm trying, but it doesn't choose another one. I'm using synaptic by the way. |
| 13:57.17 | abrotman | moebius: oh, your source line is broken |
| 13:57.21 | Iridos | moebius, that's a weird url... squeeze/updates, shouldn't that be from security.debian.org? |
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| 13:57.26 | abrotman | LinuxGuy2009: why not try the kernel from backports.debian.org ? |
| 13:57.33 | Iridos | and that would be http://security.debian.org/dists/squeeze/updates/contrib/source/Sources.bz2 |
| 13:57.39 | moebius | hm.. |
| 13:57.41 | moebius | ok, let me try |
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| 13:57.42 | abrotman | or it would be stable-updates from a regular source |
| 13:57.43 | LinuxGuy2009 | abrotman: Ok thats a good idea. |
| 13:57.51 | LinuxGuy2009 | abrotman: Ill try that. Thank you. |
| 13:58.15 | Iridos | moebius, and the non-security repo I have gives an URI of http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/dists/squeeze/contrib/source/Sources.bz2 (note no squeeze/updates) |
| 13:58.27 | Iridos | dunno why you get .gz, and I get .bz2 ... I think both exist |
| 13:58.40 | moebius | thanks |
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| 13:59.21 | Iridos | pastebin your sources.list... I think the entry is just wrong and you have deb-src <mirror-server> squeeze/updates |
| 13:59.29 | Sami345 | If I want to update to wheezy, do I just simply replace squeeze with wheezy in all my software sources? |
| 13:59.53 | Iridos | dpkg, tell Sami345 about squeeze->wheezy |
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| 14:00.14 | abrotman | Sami345: and make sure you know how to use the BTS |
| 14:00.33 | moebius | nevermind please |
| 14:00.38 | abrotman | okay then! |
| 14:01.30 | moebius | first i was trying to install apt-get install fakeroot bzip2 kernel-package libncurses-dev... it wouldn't do it, saying there's dependency probs. That's weird. Then i went to check my repos. Then i ran into another prob, like sources.whatever what cannot be fetched etc etc.. |
| 14:01.33 | moebius | tired of it |
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| 14:01.53 | moebius | never happened before |
| 14:01.59 | moebius | and this is a fresh intallation of squeeze |
| 14:02.09 | moebius | i didn't do anything |
| 14:02.16 | moebius | sources.list is empty now.. cause i removed all the lines |
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| 14:02.43 | LinuxGuy2009 | abrotman: I dont see a newer kernel. |
| 14:02.45 | tremon | moebius: have you considered a network problem as the original problem? |
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| 14:02.57 | moebius | nope. Network is just fine. |
| 14:03.00 | REalm | Trying to install libjpeg8-dev:i386 complains about not met dependencies for libc-dev:i386 (that's on amd64). Trying to install that ends up wanting to remove libc-bin, which doesn't seem good. Maybe some had this and knows how to deal with it? |
| 14:03.03 | abrotman | LinuxGuy2009: you're doing it wrong |
| 14:03.04 | moebius | all other packages come well, it's only dev. |
| 14:03.08 | abrotman | judd: kernels |
| 14:03.09 | judd | Available kernel versions are: sid: 3.2.0-1-686-pae (3.2.7-1); wheezy: 3.2.0-1-686-pae (3.2.6-1); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.1-686-pae (3.2.4-1~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-41); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-35~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-27) |
| 14:03.12 | Iridos | moebius, well, I think you just used deb-src http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian squeeze/updates main contrib non-free instead of deb-src http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian squeeze main contrib non-free |
| 14:03.13 | abrotman | that seems quite newer |
| 14:03.29 | tremon | moebius: I meant network issues at the particular mirror you were using |
| 14:03.31 | moebius | Iridos, not me, it's probably synaptic issue. |
| 14:03.42 | moebius | Iridos, it's been kinda buggy lately. |
| 14:03.43 | Iridos | in your sources.list |
| 14:03.56 | moebius | i never changed anything there, it should be just fine out-of-the-box! |
| 14:04.02 | moebius | that's what i'm saying |
| 14:04.11 | Sami345 | Did I do it right http://pastebin.com/eRNMbxZr ? |
| 14:04.20 | moebius | let me try your thing.. |
| 14:04.22 | LinuxGuy2009 | abrotman: I added the source. I looked for a package "linux-image" and I dont see a newer one. |
| 14:05.24 | Iridos | moebius, that's funny... because if I add that line to MY sources.list, I get the exact same error: W: Failed to fetch http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/squeeze/updates/contrib/source/Sources.gz 404 Not Found [IP: 64.50.236.52 80] |
| 14:05.40 | moebius | Iridos, probably a recent change |
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| 14:05.51 | Iridos | no |
| 14:05.57 | Iridos | perhaps a ghost changed your sources.list |
| 14:06.01 | moebius | dunno. |
| 14:06.08 | moebius | anyhow, i still can't install building tools. |
| 14:06.11 | moebius | same prob. |
| 14:06.34 | LinuxGuy2009 | abrotman: linux-image-3.2.0-0.bpo.1-686-pae Is that the equivalent of the bigmem? |
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| 14:07.20 | moebius | just tell me, what the hell is that thing: http://pastebin.com/qxbHdXRC |
| 14:07.21 | themill | Iridos: squeeze/updates is not on mirror network |
| 14:07.51 | themill | !show sources.list moebius |
| 14:07.51 | dpkg | moebius: Please pastebin the contents of your /etc/apt/sources.list and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*.list. The easiest way to do this is to pastebin the output of: find /etc/apt/ -name '*.list' -printf "\n%p:\n" -exec cat {} \; |
| 14:08.32 | moebius | http://pastebin.com/rrTUjzN1 |
| 14:08.35 | moebius | there ya go.. |
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| 14:08.55 | abrotman | LinuxGuy2009: yes |
| 14:09.23 | LinuxGuy2009 | abrotman: Cool installing now. (hope hope hope) |
| 14:09.24 | Iridos | themill, that's what I said! |
| 14:09.27 | abrotman | LinuxGuy2009: do you actually have more han 4GB of RAM ? |
| 14:09.35 | LinuxGuy2009 | abrotman: 8GB |
| 14:10.04 | LinuxGuy2009 | Ill be back. |
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| 14:10.30 | REalm | that's just wrong |
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| 14:12.27 | LinuxGuy2009 | abrotman: It didnt get added to my grub menu. |
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| 14:13.16 | themill | moebius: can you pastebin the output of "aptitude update; aptitude install fakeroot bzip2 kernel-package libncurses-dev" |
| 14:13.21 | LinuxGuy2009 | abrotman: NM my bad. |
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| 14:13.33 | moebius | sure. |
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| 14:14.00 | moebius | http://pastebin.com/9nMfbmyX |
| 14:14.32 | moebius | http://pastebin.com/3gqqiBQz |
| 14:14.32 | themill | grrr... please stop using that crappy pastebin |
| 14:14.58 | moebius | i'd rather stop using it at all.. tiresome.. |
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| 14:15.38 | themill | and the output of "aptitude install fakeroot bzip2 kernel-package libncurses-dev"? |
| 14:15.39 | moebius | why is it happening now... why never before.. |
| 14:15.41 | moebius | ok. |
| 14:16.14 | moebius | http://paste.debian.net/158505/ |
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| 14:17.10 | Aribeth | hello |
| 14:17.12 | themill | moebius: when you randomly deleted lines out of your sources.list, you deleted the line for squeeze-updates. Please add the appropriate line back |
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| 14:17.17 | themill | dpkg: tell moebius about make squeeze sources.list |
| 14:17.25 | valdyn | judd: versions libc-dev |
| 14:17.26 | judd | No package named 'libc-dev' was found in i386. |
| 14:17.32 | moebius | ok, thanks. |
| 14:17.38 | themill | ,provides libc6-dev |
| 14:17.39 | judd | Package libc6-dev in squeeze/i386 provides: libc-dev. |
| 14:17.42 | themill | valdyn: ^ |
| 14:17.42 | moebius | but i never touched it before. |
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| 14:17.49 | moebius | and it was already like that.. |
| 14:17.55 | themill | no it wasn't |
| 14:18.03 | Iridos | judd, versions libc6 |
| 14:18.05 | themill | packages don't just appear from nowhere |
| 14:18.05 | judd | Package: libc6 on i386 -- lenny: 2.7-18lenny7; lenny-security: 2.7-18lenny7; squeeze: 2.11.3-2; squeeze-proposed-updates: 2.11.3-3; squeeze-updates: 2.11.3-3; wheezy: 2.13-26; sid: 2.13-27 |
| 14:18.24 | moebius | themill, i know, i'm saying that repos were already messed up before i did anything to it |
| 14:18.27 | simonlnu | yes they do! they come down a series of tubes. |
| 14:19.56 | moebius | alright.. i think i got it.. |
| 14:20.06 | moebius | chose US server... and enabled all updates sections.. |
| 14:20.09 | moebius | now it seems to be working |
| 14:20.32 | moebius | thanks |
| 14:20.38 | moebius | but that thing sucks terribly. |
| 14:20.57 | moebius | yeah.. now it downloads stuff... |
| 14:21.01 | moebius | good riddance.. |
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| 14:21.25 | moebius | never had probs with that... so never bothered to dig it up... |
| 14:21.29 | REalm | ah let's just hack libjpeg8-dev in and wait till I learn about more about multiarch (or packages magicly fix themselves) |
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| 14:32.37 | moebius | is it only me who gets 100% CPU overload when compiling kernel or is it normal to everyone? |
| 14:33.01 | moebius | set concurency level up to 1000 mhz by the way |
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| 14:33.26 | moebius | well.... my CPU is AMD X2 240, 2800mhz |
| 14:33.39 | zinx | "overload"? |
| 14:33.47 | tremon | moebius: 100% cpu overload? You mean your processor works twice as hard when compiling? |
| 14:34.04 | moebius | well.. i always considered 100% to be a slight overload, even if it doesn't really get OVER it. |
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| 14:34.29 | tremon | moebius: why shouldn't the system run at 100% if you're asking it to do stuff for you? |
| 14:34.40 | zinx | why would your computer use anything less than its full potential when doing something that needs computing? |
| 14:34.40 | moebius | yeah, that's sensible. |
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| 14:35.02 | moebius | however, sometimes things just don't run faster than they can, so that's why i'm saying this. |
| 14:35.03 | tremon | jinxes zinx |
| 14:35.04 | abrotman | concurrency to 1000Mhz ? |
| 14:35.12 | moebius | dang |
| 14:35.13 | moebius | sorry |
| 14:35.16 | moebius | 2 |
| 14:35.24 | moebius | 1000mhz was something else. |
| 14:35.31 | abrotman | so you have two cores, it's running two jobs .. isn't that what you want? |
| 14:35.37 | moebius | yeah, that's what i want |
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| 14:36.04 | moebius | but i didn't know they'd hit the ceiling while just compiling stuff, even though that shows that faster is impossible at the present moment. |
| 14:36.07 | moebius | i'm used to other things. |
| 14:36.33 | abrotman | would you like some cheese? |
| 14:36.34 | eck0815 | if 100% is load 1 per cpu... its a good thing. it works as it should. most effectivly |
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| 14:36.36 | val__ | I am using Remote Desktop Viewer to connect eo another computer through VNC. I get connection closed. I am ablr though to connect to my computer through the same channel. Any ideas? |
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| 14:36.55 | eck0815 | arr efficiently |
| 14:37.07 | moebius | yeah, it's doubled. |
| 14:37.11 | moebius | no disbalance. |
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| 14:37.49 | moebius | crypto/anubis.c: In function anubis_crypt |
| 14:37.53 | moebius | that thing again.. i wonder what that is |
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| 14:37.59 | moebius | crypto/anubis.c:581: warning: inter is used uninitialized in this function |
| 14:38.17 | moebius | who was the nut who named that whatsoever thing "anubis".. |
| 14:38.23 | zinx | that sounds pretty bad |
| 14:38.41 | zinx | (that's not a "may be used"... |
| 14:39.06 | moebius | well, the thing is, there's no way for me to make it BE used. |
| 14:39.11 | tremon | as it's in crypto, it's conceivable that they're using an uninitialized variable as another source of randomness |
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| 14:39.17 | abrotman | moebius: why are you telling us? |
| 14:39.21 | derpella | hey, how to find pubkey for packages.linuxmint.com |
| 14:39.22 | derpella | ? |
| 14:39.33 | moebius | abrotman, i'm asking, not just sharing my life stories. |
| 14:39.35 | abrotman | derpella: ask the mint channel .. how would we know ? |
| 14:39.40 | abrotman | moebius: try #debian-offtopic, thanks |
| 14:39.52 | derpella | it is a rep for debian :) |
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| 14:40.05 | abrotman | derpella: how is it a repostitory for Debian ? |
| 14:40.15 | moebius | abrotman, what??? What do you think i'm talking about now? |
| 14:40.18 | tremon | derpella: for, not "of" or "belonging to" |
| 14:40.40 | val__ | I am using Remote desktop Viewer to connect to another computer through VNC. I get: connection closed. I am ablr, though to connect to my computer from the remote one through VNC. Any ideas why the remote computer would not let me to connect? |
| 14:40.41 | abrotman | derpella: please ask the linux mint channel, this isn't it, Mint is not supported here |
| 14:40.57 | derpella | well, just thought it is commonly used and you will know... sorry :) |
| 14:40.59 | abrotman | val__: can you telnet to the port you want to connect to ? |
| 14:41.09 | abrotman | derpella: bye! |
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| 14:46.01 | val__ | abrotman, I choose VNC in Remote Desktop Viewer and type the remote computer's ip# to connect. I get Error occured, connection closed. I do not know how to telnet to the port. |
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| 14:49.04 | max_sharpe | telnet? |
| 14:49.30 | max_sharpe | people still use that? |
| 14:49.56 | tremon | max_sharpe: of course. It's a swiss-army knife for network engineers |
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| 14:50.32 | max_sharpe | i thought was insecure and superseded by ssh? |
| 14:51.09 | tremon | max_sharpe: only for administration. You can't debug a plain-text http or smtp session with ssh |
| 14:51.27 | max_sharpe | oh. |
| 14:51.40 | eck0815 | for first-testing, insecurity is often not a that important argument |
| 14:51.53 | eck0815 | but i would use netcat |
| 14:51.55 | max_sharpe | oh okay |
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| 14:52.28 | sKeiths | more general linux question, but i am using deb, so I thought of here first. i am ssh'ing to a shell, my connection is bad, ssh falls over for whatever reason, and my terminal beccomes locked. crtl+c crtl+z do not work, any ideas how can i get my terminal back? |
| 14:53.23 | tremon | sKeiths: kill ssh from another terminal? |
| 14:53.37 | petemc | sKeiths: try pressing enter then ~ |
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| 14:54.12 | sKeiths | enter then ~ does nothing.. trying kill from another terminal now |
| 14:54.37 | val__ | abrotman, I did aptitude search telnet in remote computer and got telnet installed. What should I do next? |
| 14:54.41 | sKeiths | ty tremon . that get term back .. |
| 14:54.53 | petemc | sKeiths: try ~. |
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| 14:55.40 | tremon | sKeiths: it's not a clean solution, though. Telnet used ^[ to escape from a hung session, I'm pretty sure ssh has a similar keycode |
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| 14:56.23 | tremon | petemc: doesn't work for me either. Is it supposed to be ^~ or something? |
| 14:56.40 | petemc | its supposed to send a break |
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| 14:58.39 | tremon | petemc: ah found it, you mean press ~ then . :) |
| 14:59.09 | sKeiths | works on clean ssh. i'll try when it locks up again. ty |
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| 14:59.34 | abrotman | val__: telnet IP Port |
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| 15:01.24 | HSorgYves | may i check a mounted xfs file system in some way? |
| 15:01.40 | tremon | HSorgYves: fsck.xfs? |
| 15:01.50 | tremon | ah, mounted... no I think not |
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| 15:02.26 | val__ | abrotman, thanks. The problem was simply that the remote computer's desktop sharing was not activated |
| 15:03.15 | HSorgYves | tremon: points me to xfs_check which need the fs to be unmounted |
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| 15:03.47 | HSorgYves | tremon: the problem is that it's the root fs on a remote computer... |
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| 15:04.22 | HSorgYves | is an xfs file system checked during reboot? |
| 15:04.29 | eck0815 | The filesystem should normally be unmounted or read-only during the execution of xfs_check |
| 15:05.04 | tremon | xfs can be checked, as long as it is configured to do so. Check /etc/fstab, last entry |
| 15:05.09 | eck0815 | so if you dont use the fs for writing atm. remount read-only |
| 15:05.44 | tremon | eck0815: good call, hadn't thought of that |
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| 15:07.34 | HSorgYves | eck0815: using "mount -r -o remount /"? |
| 15:07.35 | eck0815 | or... maby if th xfs is on lvm. maybe a snapshot and check the snapshot |
| 15:07.54 | Lukemob | hello, anybody experienced a problem.. that xen guest doesn't receive ARP replies, only dom0 does? |
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| 15:10.22 | shaun- | im on a system that is a premade debian vps that i was given by my provider for storage purposes. even though it's a storage vps it still requires some basic iptables rules to protect it. can't load nf_conntrack for the conntrack module so i can create some stateful rules. how do i find out what modules are available on my system? |
| 15:12.02 | eck0815 | HSorgYves: -r = -o ro. "-o remount" should it be |
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| 15:13.22 | eck0815 | but i would test it on another system if the data is importatn ;-) |
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| 15:14.44 | eck0815 | normally it is used to remount a readonly as writeable |
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| 15:17.19 | tremon | HSorgYves: if /var is not on a separate partition, you might want to telinit 1 first |
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| 15:20.46 | n0yd | Any genisoimage users here? Im wanting to use it to make a backup of my sid openbox desktop just incase i ever mess things up i can easily reinstall |
| 15:21.08 | n0yd | my problem is the example ive been given from the guide wants to burn the iso it generates |
| 15:21.15 | n0yd | i dont wanna do that right now |
| 15:21.40 | pseubodot | ok |
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| 15:21.45 | pseubodot | shouldn't be that difficult |
| 15:21.47 | pseubodot | hang on |
| 15:22.07 | pseubodot | what's your command line? |
| 15:22.10 | ScottG | Is there any way for me to unmount a nfs filesystem without having to edit it out of the the exports file? |
| 15:22.17 | n0yd | pseubodot: you talking to me? |
| 15:22.22 | badezucker | umount it ScottG |
| 15:22.23 | pseubodot | n0yd: correct |
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| 15:22.37 | HSorgYves | tremon: /var is on a separate partition |
| 15:23.09 | n0yd | pseubodot: thanks man |
| 15:23.15 | ScottG | badezucker: I can't unmount it from the server because it says the device is busy. |
| 15:23.16 | pseubodot | n0yd: the first example in the man page for genisoimage will do that |
| 15:23.28 | n0yd | pseubodot: genisoimage -iso-level 3 -f -o Backup.iso |
| 15:23.34 | n0yd | thats what im using now |
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| 15:23.43 | n0yd | pseubodot: ok awesome |
| 15:23.45 | n0yd | one question |
| 15:23.47 | pseubodot | n0yd: okay, close |
| 15:23.47 | ScottG | badezucker: I first need to remove it's entry from the exports file then run exportfs -ra, THEN it will let me unmount it. |
| 15:23.55 | pseubodot | n0yd: you have to tell it what you're going to make the image from |
| 15:23.57 | n0yd | what does the -iso-level option do? |
| 15:24.04 | tremon | ScottG: you can also stop the nfs-kernel-server |
| 15:24.14 | n0yd | pseubodot: the guide says to use that exact command |
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| 15:24.21 | n0yd | and it will backup wqhole system |
| 15:24.21 | pseubodot | n0yd: what guide? |
| 15:24.27 | n0yd | one saec |
| 15:24.30 | n0yd | lemme find it |
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| 15:24.39 | ScottG | tremon: That doesn't seem optimal since that would mean all of my nfs mounts would go down. |
| 15:25.06 | badezucker | ScottG: you unmount from the client, not the server |
| 15:25.07 | n0yd | pseubodot: also, does this give me an installer? if not, then why not use dd? |
| 15:25.18 | ScottG | badezucker: Still says it's in use. |
| 15:25.18 | pseubodot | n0yd: I'm reading the man page for genisoimage, you should have it on your box too. |
| 15:25.25 | n0yd | i will |
| 15:25.28 | n0yd | im just busy |
| 15:25.29 | pseubodot | n0yd: at the command line, 'man genisoimage' |
| 15:25.35 | tremon | ScottG: have you tried man exportfs? |
| 15:25.42 | pseubodot | n0yd: and then do '/iso-level' to find your section |
| 15:25.45 | n0yd | pseubodot: i saw nothing in the man page for that iso-level option though |
| 15:25.49 | n0yd | ok |
| 15:25.52 | pseubodot | n0yd: i'm staring at it. :) |
| 15:25.53 | badezucker | ScottG: finding what is keeping an nfs connection hung is basically why i don't use nfs - hopefully someone else can help you |
| 15:26.00 | n0yd | im thinking maybe compression |
| 15:26.12 | badezucker | ScottG: i switched to sshfs and am relieved of those nags |
| 15:26.15 | pseubodot | n0yd: no, iso conformance level |
| 15:26.15 | ScottG | badezucker: Do you have an alternative? |
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| 15:26.18 | ScottG | badezucker: Ah. |
| 15:26.26 | pseubodot | n0yd: using 3 looks reasonable. |
| 15:26.36 | pseubodot | n0yd: '-iso-level 3' |
| 15:26.39 | badezucker | of course you might need nfs for some other reason - there surely is an answer to your question - good luck |
| 15:26.46 | n0yd | pseubodot: also, do you use laptops at all? i have in the past disabled my synaptics touchpad while typing, but i forget how |
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| 15:26.51 | n0yd | using synclient, iirc |
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| 15:26.59 | ScottG | badezucker: What are general pros/cons of sshfs over nfs? |
| 15:27.20 | badezucker | ScottG: i can do sshfs over a flaky wlan |
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| 15:28.05 | n0yd | pseubodot: btw, in that man page, i dont see a real example atr the top |
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| 15:28.16 | n0yd | just an example of how its used |
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| 15:28.25 | pseubodot | n0yd: once the man page is opened, do '/EXAMPLES' |
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| 15:28.50 | n0yd | k |
| 15:29.04 | pseubodot | n0yd: / (search down) and ? (search up) are useful to know |
| 15:29.11 | pseubodot | n0yd: when reading man pages |
| 15:29.14 | n0yd | yup |
| 15:29.18 | badezucker | man search sucks |
| 15:29.19 | n0yd | pseubodot: its beeen awhile |
| 15:29.24 | pseubodot | n0yd: no worries. |
| 15:29.25 | badezucker | because it wont go to the next occurrance |
| 15:29.30 | n0yd | im not a noob, just getting back into it ya know? |
| 15:29.37 | badezucker | actually maybe it can |
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| 15:29.44 | badezucker | how do i go to the next instance of EXAMPLES |
| 15:29.44 | pseubodot | n0yd: haven't run into the other issues on laptops, so I can't help you there alas. |
| 15:29.46 | tremon | badezucker: 'n' |
| 15:29.47 | n0yd | pseubodot: also, does this genisoimage install the system for me? |
| 15:29.48 | badezucker | without skipping down a page |
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| 15:29.58 | pseubodot | n0yd: syste,? |
| 15:30.04 | badezucker | ah ty sir! |
| 15:30.04 | n0yd | pseubodot: because if not, then why not use dd? |
| 15:30.20 | n0yd | pseubodot: some sort of installer, for installing the imnage |
| 15:30.20 | pseubodot | n0yd: genisoimage creates a CD/DVD/BD image ... what goes into it is up to you. :) |
| 15:30.26 | n0yd | right |
| 15:30.31 | n0yd | but no installer? |
| 15:30.31 | badezucker | tremon: i prefer vi's handling myself |
| 15:30.34 | n0yd | pfft |
| 15:30.41 | n0yd | i could just use dd then |
| 15:30.48 | pseubodot | n0yd: do you want to dd a disk image and then store it somewhere? |
| 15:31.16 | n0yd | pseubodot: i could |
| 15:31.20 | tremon | badezucker: how do you search in vi then? I use the same / ? n N keys (yes, and # *, but they don't work in less) |
| 15:31.24 | n0yd | my thing was not to burn it at the moment |
| 15:31.40 | badezucker | tremon: in vi repeated / will get you the next instance of the last search as well |
| 15:31.46 | pseubodot | n0yd: I missed the first part of what you wrote earlier (kids), what are you trying to do here? |
| 15:31.47 | badezucker | so i didnt know about 'n' |
| 15:31.49 | tremon | ah thx |
| 15:32.24 | pseubodot | n0yd: /me reads backscroll |
| 15:32.26 | badezucker | now did i live without 'n' i dunno |
| 15:32.30 | n0yd | pseubodot: no kids. just a backup of my system like a ghost image, that i can easily and quickly recovery from |
| 15:32.42 | pseubodot | n0yd: there are specific utilities to do that, I believe, and these in turn call genisoimage and friends as needed |
| 15:32.57 | badezucker | partimage |
| 15:33.02 | n0yd | pseubodot: ya, well im look at remastersys |
| 15:33.11 | n0yd | they use it ubuntu |
| 15:33.19 | n0yd | and includes an installer |
| 15:33.47 | n0yd | which means i wouldnt need linux or two cd drives, one for live cd, one for image to restore |
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| 15:34.03 | n0yd | but it seems like remastersys doesnt do your home dir |
| 15:34.06 | n0yd | which i want |
| 15:34.22 | n0yd | unless i make a script that puts all my goodies in place on first boot |
| 15:37.35 | n0yd | pseubodot: i found a solution |
| 15:37.39 | n0yd | remastersys |
| 15:37.43 | n0yd | it can also do /home |
| 15:37.50 | n0yd | and has an installer |
| 15:37.59 | n0yd | and they have ubuntu and debian versions |
| 15:38.02 | n0yd | perfect! |
| 15:39.04 | grayghost | I have dragged an icon for a program to the top menu tray ..... now I want to remove it ..... how do I remove it ???? |
| 15:39.19 | n0yd | Anyone use plymouth to get a boot splash? |
| 15:39.29 | n0yd | I itried it last night, and it doies give me a semi splaSH |
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| 15:39.45 | n0yd | but not what it was supposed to show |
| 15:40.03 | n0yd | it showed a 3 color status bar on the bottom of my screen |
| 15:40.18 | n0yd | and textg in the corner saying wheezy/sid |
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| 15:45.35 | n0yd | pseubodot: i noticed on sid, they are deprecating sources.list entirely, i understand why and such |
| 15:45.46 | Guest61024 | could someone help me to get this error fixed http://paste.ubuntu.com/868308/ |
| 15:45.48 | n0yd | the dir with the single files for repos is cleaner |
| 15:46.07 | n0yd | Guest61024: are you on debian? |
| 15:46.22 | Guest61024 | n0yd: LMDE |
| 15:46.23 | n0yd | If so, no offense, but we wont support it here. go to #ubuntu |
| 15:46.26 | n0yd | oh |
| 15:46.45 | n0yd | have yoiu tried the mint channels on the prop[er network |
| 15:46.54 | n0yd | they have support channels on another network |
| 15:46.59 | n0yd | i forgot which net |
| 15:47.04 | themill | Guest61024: try in #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org. You'll get better help if you actually say what the error is when you ask them |
| 15:48.07 | Guest61024 | k, do you guys know something about a bug with older GCC versions |
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| 15:48.24 | Guest61024 | which might cause this or whatever (im a noob) |
| 15:48.32 | Guest61024 | cause all began with that gcc |
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| 15:48.57 | n0yd | Guest61024: no idea to be honest |
| 15:49.11 | n0yd | i know is on what, debian squeeze? |
| 15:49.20 | n0yd | cause its old gnome still |
| 15:50.25 | pseubodot | n0yd: yes, noticed that too |
| 15:50.41 | n0yd | pseubodot: whats that, remastersys? |
| 15:50.52 | pseubodot | n0yd: sources.list |
| 15:50.59 | n0yd | ah |
| 15:51.12 | n0yd | pseubodot: you think eventually there will be no file or support for it |
| 15:51.19 | n0yd | i still use it on occqsion :P |
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| 15:51.22 | n0yd | out of laziness |
| 15:51.26 | manhunter | hi |
| 15:51.33 | manhunter | what does debian do to support all architecture? |
| 15:51.40 | Guest61024 | linuxmint irc support is a joke, just saying |
| 15:51.44 | manhunter | how does debian support all architecture? |
| 15:51.48 | n0yd | manhunter: recompile |
| 15:51.53 | valdyn | manhunter: http://www.debian.org/ |
| 15:52.00 | manhunter | does that mean, one package has to be compiled in every architectures? |
| 15:52.01 | n0yd | using gcc to cross compile or whatever |
| 15:52.07 | manhunter | n0yd: elaborate |
| 15:52.11 | zinx | manhunter: yes |
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| 15:52.13 | n0yd | manhunter: generally yes |
| 15:52.18 | valdyn | debian does not do cross compiling for this |
| 15:52.21 | n0yd | but not all packages are on every arch |
| 15:52.33 | manhunter | n0yd: who compiles that package in every architecture? |
| 15:52.38 | n0yd | valdyn: i didnt know, i just threw that out as an example |
| 15:52.46 | manhunter | how does one get all those architecture to compile/test there? |
| 15:52.47 | n0yd | manhunter: one of the package maintainers |
| 15:52.56 | n0yd | i dont know |
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| 15:53.00 | n0yd | why do you care |
| 15:53.00 | valdyn | manhunter: read the debian website |
| 15:53.03 | n0yd | seriously |
| 15:53.03 | manhunter | how does that maintainer get all those architecture? |
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| 15:53.10 | n0yd | manhunter: he doesnt |
| 15:53.19 | n0yd | he maintains his ARCH package, thats all |
| 15:53.24 | n0yd | like if its sparc |
| 15:53.31 | n0yd | he uses his sparc machine |
| 15:53.41 | n0yd | why the hell do you care so much anyway |
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| 15:53.57 | n0yd | youre putting too much thouight into something so simple |
| 15:54.03 | n0yd | are you an aspie? |
| 15:54.08 | n0yd | jokes |
| 15:54.36 | pseubodot | manhunter: there is a mechanism in place. dig around on debian.org website like valdyn suggests and you'll find it. |
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| 15:54.52 | manhunter | but when i do aptitude install <package> isn't a common pre-built binary package that supports all architecture? |
| 15:55.02 | valdyn | manhunter: no |
| 15:55.08 | pseubodot | manhunter: um, no. |
| 15:55.16 | manhunter | where? http://www.debian.org/ |
| 15:55.23 | manhunter | valdyn: pseubodot what? |
| 15:55.57 | n0yd | manhunter: your system and apt is set to pull the package for your arch |
| 15:55.59 | n0yd | only |
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| 15:56.25 | themill | manhunter: when you aptitude install, you'll see that aptitude is downloading an amd64 or an i386 or whatever package most of the time. Some packages can be shared across architectures (like documentation packages) so they are marked "Architecture: all" |
| 15:56.36 | n0yd | pseubodot: btw, remastersys for debian is way better for what i want |
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| 15:56.49 | pseubodot | n0yd: cool, thanks for the pointer. |
| 15:56.50 | n0yd | it includes the /home, and has an installer |
| 15:56.56 | n0yd | and a nice gui if wanted |
| 15:57.02 | n0yd | pseubodot: no prob |
| 15:57.07 | manhunter | themill: n0yd valdyn pseubodot i understood. |
| 15:57.09 | n0yd | go to their site to get the repo |
| 15:57.19 | manhunter | for me it only downloads x86 packages |
| 15:57.20 | pseubodot | n0yd: I'd just dump my DBs on a regular basis, backup /home as well as get-selections so that I can re-instantiate my box as needed |
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| 15:57.42 | manhunter | but how does it know my architecture so that it can only down the x86 package? |
| 15:57.51 | manhunter | but how does it know my architecture so that it can only download and install the x86 package? |
| 15:57.54 | jelly-home | unregistered_use: if you don't need to deal with files larger than 4GB, vfat is good enough for sticks |
| 15:57.55 | unregistered_use | what file system is recommended nowadays for usb keys to work with GNU/Linux as well as with windoze? FAT32, vfat, or what? |
| 15:57.56 | pseubodot | manhunter: /var/cache/apt/archives/ on your box is where packages are downloaded to, and you'll see the architecture of each package in the package file name |
| 15:58.03 | n0yd | manhunter: its in your sources.list |
| 15:58.08 | n0yd | or whatever |
| 15:58.09 | unregistered_use | jelly-home: and if I want? |
| 15:58.14 | n0yd | or the config |
| 15:58.16 | n0yd | i forget |
| 15:58.19 | jelly-home | unregistered_use: do you? |
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| 15:58.28 | n0yd | regardless, why the hell do you care spo much |
| 15:58.34 | jelly-home | unregistered_use: I'd go with ntfs or ext3 |
| 15:58.36 | manhunter | no architecture is mentioned here, deb http://ftp.se.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main non-free contrib |
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| 15:58.43 | unregistered_use | jelly-home: ah, files larger than 4GB. No, only file systems larger than 4GB |
| 15:59.07 | azaghal | unregistered_use: I mostly use vfat |
| 15:59.09 | unregistered_use | jelly-home: I'd like to go with ext3 but it's not supported by windoze by default |
| 15:59.17 | manhunter | so every maintainer of a package uploads it's respective architecture based package to repository,right? |
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| 15:59.26 | azaghal | unregistered_use: If you don't need files >4gb |
| 15:59.43 | jelly-home | unregistered_use: neither is ntfs properly supported in Linux, both have some pluses and minuses |
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| 16:00.55 | valdyn | manhunter: no |
| 16:00.57 | unregistered_use | jelly-home: that's why I didn't take those two filesystem's into account. I thought about FAT32 and vfat |
| 16:01.01 | manhunter | valdyn: what? |
| 16:01.11 | valdyn | manhunter: no to your last question |
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| 16:01.36 | manhunter | valdyn: if you are a x86 package maintainer, you would only upload the x86 binary package to x86 repository |
| 16:01.51 | valdyn | manhunter: developers upload source packages, .deb files are created on build servers |
| 16:01.56 | jelly-home | unregistered_use: FAT32 and vfat are basically two named for the same fs |
| 16:02.00 | manhunter | valdyn: i mean if you have the x86 architecture |
| 16:02.10 | valdyn | manhunter: nope, thats not how it works |
| 16:02.44 | manhunter | valdyn: does that mean a script automatically creates .deb package on server |
| 16:02.52 | valdyn | manhunter: yes |
| 16:03.18 | manhunter | valdyn: but why do they need to upload the source, a script can upload the source code of that package |
| 16:03.35 | manhunter | valdyn: gnu source code for a package is same around the world |
| 16:03.57 | valdyn | manhunter: yes, but debian source packages are not the same |
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| 16:04.10 | manhunter | valdyn: why not same? |
| 16:04.23 | valdyn | geez |
| 16:04.28 | valdyn | manhunter: do you want to annoy me? |
| 16:04.34 | manhunter | valdyn: no |
| 16:05.02 | valdyn | manhunter: ok, the let me tell you: some things cant be learned by wading thru Q&A like youre trying to: read the debian website |
| 16:05.14 | Guest61024 | n0yd: can you help with that, i manage to dig some more logs http://paste.ubuntu.com/868308/ |
| 16:05.25 | manhunter | valdyn: i can't find nothing there , post specific link |
| 16:05.30 | valdyn | !dnm |
| 16:05.30 | dpkg | Debian New Maintainers' Guide, Debian Policy Manual and Debian Developer's Reference - if you are a deb-newbie read them in this order, found at http://www.debian.org/doc/devel-manuals |
| 16:05.33 | valdyn | manhunter: ^^ |
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| 16:05.34 | manhunter | *anything there |
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| 16:06.53 | n0yd | Guest61024: im really busy, go to linux mints network, seriously |
| 16:07.07 | n0yd | Guest61024: im super busy with my own system |
| 16:07.31 | n0yd | Guest61024: im making a installable backup of my system |
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| 16:07.53 | manhunter | valdyn: the maintainer edit/customize the source code, right? then upload, |
| 16:07.58 | manhunter | http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-binary.html |
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| 16:15.15 | Iridos | is there any great software for (kind of easily) building 3D models of houses in Debian (including walls and electric wiring) |
| 16:15.26 | unomystEz | stupid question: if i run apt-get update do I also need to run aptitude update? |
| 16:15.39 | Iridos | don't seem to see any, except perhaps more generic stuff like blender |
| 16:15.46 | Iridos | unomystEz, no |
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| 16:16.32 | unomystEz | thanks, and what is preferable? It seems they are used interchangeably |
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| 16:16.46 | unomystEz | s/at/ich/ |
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| 16:17.10 | good | join #USEagency |
| 16:17.33 | Iridos | hands good a / |
| 16:18.10 | abrotman | unomystEz: mostly interchangeable |
| 16:18.17 | abrotman | good: no |
| 16:18.21 | good | join #USEagency!!! |
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| 16:18.31 | abrotman | no? |
| 16:18.34 | guardian | hmm in the contet of shared hosting, i need to generate mysql passwords. how can i generate strong passwords? |
| 16:18.53 | good | why not? |
| 16:18.56 | abrotman | guardian: there are programs to generate passwords for you |
| 16:19.00 | abrotman | good: knock it off |
| 16:19.05 | tremon | guardian: pwgen |
| 16:19.07 | guardian | yeah which please? |
| 16:19.07 | good | why won't you join? |
| 16:19.10 | guardian | ok |
| 16:19.53 | abrotman | !tell guardian about search |
| 16:20.35 | guardian | thx… yeah i did search before asking for a package name, just came up with answers like "hell yeah you should use strong passwords" |
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| 16:20.59 | unomystEz | about to ugprade my desktop from stable to wheezy, any last minute advice? |
| 16:21.23 | Iridos | unomystEz, like "don't"? |
| 16:21.30 | Sami345 | I have the same problem as this guy http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=75363 When I try to aptitude full-upgrade, it says it is going to remove gdm3. Is there any way to tell aptitude only give solutions that don't remove gdm3 :D |
| 16:21.32 | abrotman | guardian: you didn't search |
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| 16:21.47 | Sami345 | unomystEz, yeah it failed for me :D |
| 16:21.52 | unomystEz | hmm |
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| 16:22.10 | unomystEz | best to install wheezy from netinst? |
| 16:22.15 | abrotman | Sami345: aptitude update;aptitude install gdm3 ? |
| 16:22.23 | guardian | abrotman: sure I did, you're just being picky :) |
| 16:22.40 | Iridos | unomystEz, no, I mean it's testing! loadsa bugs |
| 16:22.50 | abrotman | guardian: apt-cache search password generate ? |
| 16:22.57 | Iridos | dpkg, tell unomystEz about squeeze->wheezy |
| 16:23.00 | abrotman | you couldn't find something to generate passwords in that last ? |
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| 16:23.27 | unomystEz | ha |
| 16:23.38 | unomystEz | dpkg had only good things to say about squeeze->wheezy |
| 16:23.38 | dpkg | unomystEz: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 16:23.52 | unregistered_use | :) |
| 16:23.58 | guardian | not that honestly, i googled, and aptitude search password generate doesn't tell about pwgen, but indeed apt-cache search does |
| 16:24.34 | abrotman | guardian: aptitude search '~dpassword~dgenerate' ... |
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| 16:25.16 | abrotman | guardian: you should learn how to actually search with aptitude if you're going to use it to do your package searching |
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| 16:26.14 | capecarnation | i am looking to make a personal website and am wondering what the better web hosting providers out there are. i'm interested in coding in PHP and would like to be able to ssh / ftp to/from linux box. newbie here, thanks :) |
| 16:27.31 | LtL | capecarnation: google top ten webhosts |
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| 16:28.21 | abrotman | capecarnation: how is this related to Debian ? |
| 16:28.42 | capecarnation | LtL would that be a reliable "top ten"? :) i am growing more and more skeptical of google by the day. |
| 16:28.43 | badezucker | Under the General Welfare clause |
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| 16:29.13 | capecarnation | thanks badezucker ;) |
| 16:29.21 | wims | hello, I'm running into a weird problem when it comes to locale. Some of the users on our box get the full list of locales when they run locale -a (like this example : http://paste.pocoo.org/show/560631/), however, a bunch of users get a minimal list with only a few locales, with a few errors as well (example http://pastie.org/3519506). This is on Debian 6.0.4, locale-gen have been run |
| 16:29.37 | LtL | capecarnation: as abrotman stated, this is off-topic but the search will give to verbose lists. |
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| 16:30.09 | wims | dpkg-reconfigure locales have been run as well, /etc/locales.gen have been configured. does anybody have an idea what is causing this? |
| 16:30.57 | capecarnation | abrotman, with all due respect, i use Debian and figured the community would be friendly enough to want to help. LtL did just that. I hope that I didn't interrupt your helping someone else. |
| 16:31.06 | abrotman | !tell capecarnation about hosting |
| 16:31.33 | abrotman | capecarnation: this is a Debian support channel though .. you didn't specify anything about your hosting requirements, including running Debian .. you might want to discuss it in #debian-offtopic though |
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| 16:33.17 | capecarnation | abrotman actually yes i did specify hosting requirements. too busy sniping? ;) |
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| 16:33.35 | abrotman | capecarnation: none of which relate to Debian |
| 16:33.43 | abrotman | or specify Debian |
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| 16:34.44 | capecarnation | abrotman, correct, they are not related to Debian, but yes, the initial post was related to hosing requirements. |
| 16:34.57 | capecarnation | hosing -> hosting |
| 16:35.07 | abrotman | capecarnation: now, how is your question related to Debian ? |
| 16:35.20 | lynks | is it possible to install php5.2 from the squeeze repos? |
| 16:35.32 | Jayflux | in terms of setting up a web server do many of you use sudo to create a new user instead of using root? |
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| 16:36.01 | abrotman | judd: versions php5 |
| 16:36.02 | judd | Package: php5 on i386 -- lenny: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny13; lenny-proposed-updates: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny16; lenny-security: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny16; squeeze: 5.3.3-7+squeeze3; squeeze-proposed-updates: 5.3.3-7+squeeze8; squeeze-security: 5.3.3-7+squeeze8; sid: 5.3.10-2; wheezy: 5.3.10-2; sid: 5.4.0-1 |
| 16:36.03 | capecarnation | abrotman i do not wish to argue with you. i only responded to your claim that my initial post had nothing to do with hosting requirements. good day, sir. |
| 16:36.15 | abrotman | lynks: you don't want 5.3? |
| 16:36.35 | abrotman | Jayflux: why would root be involved? |
| 16:36.40 | LtL | Jayflux: debian uses it's own user, www-data or something in apache2 |
| 16:37.00 | abrotman | capecarnation: thanks! |
| 16:37.18 | Jayflux | sorry i mean in terms of security for installing things |
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| 16:37.18 | Jayflux | not apache users |
| 16:37.18 | lynks | abrotman: now that you mention it, i better check exactly which version i need |
| 16:37.32 | abrotman | Jayflux: that's up to you .. you can do it either way ... but why do you have new users installing software? |
| 16:37.48 | Jayflux | abrotman i don't |
| 16:38.06 | Jayflux | im saying do you usually install stuff as root or do you make a new user with privilages first and use that |
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| 16:38.16 | Jayflux | when setting things up |
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| 16:38.26 | abrotman | Jayflux: you should *not* be doing everything on the system as root |
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| 16:39.52 | tremon | is confused |
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| 16:41.27 | abrotman | tremon: i think he is too |
| 16:42.42 | tremon | I was referring to "but why do you have new users installing software" vs "you should *not* be doing everything on the system as root" |
| 16:43.09 | tremon | I think I get what you're trying to say, but it took me a lot of effort :) |
| 16:43.20 | abrotman | tremon: his initial question didn't help :) |
| 16:43.24 | Jayflux | he confused me too |
| 16:43.26 | Jayflux | lol |
| 16:43.49 | abrotman | Jayflux: in short, you should do everything you can as a regular user, and only be using root/sudo when is necessary |
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| 16:44.18 | Jayflux | abrotman when i tryed making a regular user i got permission problems when trying to install stuff |
| 16:44.37 | abrotman | Jayflux: you have to add them to sudo .. normal users do not have the ability to install software |
| 16:44.46 | Jayflux | right |
| 16:44.49 | Jayflux | ok |
| 16:44.53 | Jayflux | im looking up sudo now |
| 16:45.00 | pseubodot | reads backscroll |
| 16:45.05 | pseubodot | *TWITCH* |
| 16:45.22 | pseubodot | yes, learn sudo. :) sudo will literally save your machine, believe it or not. |
| 16:45.32 | Jayflux | abrotman what if ive already installed apache, mysql, fto etc as root |
| 16:45.35 | Jayflux | is it too late? |
| 16:45.47 | Jayflux | cause ive set everything up now |
| 16:45.51 | wims | is it correct that debian do not have a support forum? |
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| 16:49.25 | jelly-home | wims: the forums are not an official venue yet, but: http://forums.debian.net/ |
| 16:50.01 | wims | jelly-home: thanks, i'll post my problem there, hopefully more knowledgeable people are able to see it there |
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| 17:00.59 | Iridos | wims, strace it |
| 17:02.55 | Iridos | also compare environments, I guess... but seeing what writes "No such file or directory" should be instructive |
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| 17:10.09 | Jckf | I am trying to create a link in a user's home directory to allow it to access a directory in a different user's home, but I'm not being very successfull. ln without any switches says hard links are not allowed for directories. With the -d switch it says "operation not permitted", and symlinks yield "permission denied" for the second user when trying to access the directory, even if it's 777'd |
| 17:11.35 | jelly-home | Jckf: what is 777d, the directory or the symlink? |
| 17:11.43 | Jckf | Both, actually |
| 17:12.15 | Jckf | The link itself is owned bu the secondery user, and the target directory by my user, and the secondery user's group |
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| 17:12.20 | Jckf | *owned by |
| 17:12.42 | jelly-home | Jckf: if you want to give access to /foo/bar/baz, the user needs to have executable permissions for all the parent directories: "/foo/bar", "/foo" and "/" |
| 17:12.53 | Iridos | Jckf, symlink should work if the user can switch into that directory... check the lower-level directories for missing "x" permission |
| 17:12.57 | Iridos | hmp |
| 17:12.58 | Iridos | beat me to it |
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| 17:13.19 | jelly-home | the link is irrelevant wrt permissions, it's just a shorthand for someone or some process not to have to use the full path |
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| 17:13.53 | Some_Person | How do I get rid of things in apt-get's autoremove list? |
| 17:14.06 | themill | dpkg: tell Some_Person about unmarkauto |
| 17:14.18 | Some_Person | thanks |
| 17:14.28 | jelly-home | but what if "get rid" means "uninstall them"! |
| 17:14.47 | Iridos | I wondered that, too :) |
| 17:15.11 | wims | whoever suggested running strace, thanks a lot, it pointed me at least in the correct location |
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| 17:18.09 | Delf | goes nuts |
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| 17:19.48 | Iridos | wims, what was the cause |
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| 17:20.45 | wims | Iridos: it appears that our locales arew installed at /usr/share/locale, while the config thinks that they are at /usr/share/locale |
| 17:21.24 | Delf | the computer froze without saying what caused it in the logs. After that I'm unable to access a hd. According to "smart" the disk is healthy |
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| 17:23.32 | lynks | Delf: when you say you cant access? |
| 17:23.58 | Delf | after reset |
| 17:24.06 | lynks | Delf: wow that was half a sentence. i mean in what way cannot you access the hdd? |
| 17:24.29 | lynks | Delf: what happens when you try to mount it? |
| 17:24.45 | Delf | I can't mount it. It says free space and no known file system (but it is ext4) |
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| 17:26.26 | lynks | Delf: was it just one, primary, ext4? |
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| 17:26.56 | Delf | yes, no "paritioning thingy" |
| 17:27.01 | Delf | No MBR or GUID |
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| 17:27.28 | sythe | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:27.49 | sythe | Mind making me a 32-bit deb of that? |
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| 17:27.54 | lynks | Delf: then maybe someone can look at the partition table for you, its only like 200 bytes iirc. maybe got corrupted by the hardware somehow. |
| 17:28.03 | sythe | Pretty please |
| 17:28.20 | Delf | lynks: possibly. I tried testdisk |
| 17:28.35 | Delf | it doesn't want to write the partable |
| 17:28.45 | jhutchins_lt2 | Delf: run fsck -a on the partition. |
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| 17:30.41 | Iridos | wims, that was 2 times the same path :) |
| 17:31.17 | Jckf | Okay, my symlink "works" now. Meaning you can browse it over SSH, but not FTP. How can that happen? vsftpd |
| 17:31.54 | n0yd | Any gtk3 nautilus users here? Im using nautilus in openbox was using pcmanfm) but i wanted some nautilus features. My problem is theming |
| 17:31.56 | wims | Iridos: oops, locales are installed in /usr/share/locale/, system expects to find them at /usr/lib/locale |
| 17:32.02 | jelly-home | Jckf: it won't work if you have chrooting enabled in the ftp service |
| 17:32.28 | jhutchins_lt | I think vsftpd doesn't follow symlinks by default. |
| 17:32.36 | n0yd | I set my gtk theme in lxappearance (which supports gtk3) and my icon theme, but nautilus looks stock |
| 17:32.46 | n0yd | whats my issue there? |
| 17:33.17 | babilen | n0yd: You can set the theme in ~/.config/gtk-3.0/settings.ini as seen in http://paste.debian.net/158523/ (you can probably change that with gnome-tweak-tool as well) |
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| 17:33.44 | n0yd | Hey gthx |
| 17:33.50 | n0yd | babilen: ^^^ |
| 17:33.53 | babilen | n0yd: I am not sure what lxappearance does, but I would give it a try. You also need a gtk3 theme |
| 17:33.56 | n0yd | i donno if that will work |
| 17:34.04 | babilen | n0yd: TIAS :) |
| 17:34.04 | n0yd | lxappearance does the same i believe |
| 17:34.09 | n0yd | at least in sid |
| 17:34.14 | n0yd | with newest version |
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| 17:34.25 | n0yd | lxappearance 0.5+ has gtk3 support |
| 17:34.32 | babilen | n0yd: You might also be interest in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net which is a channel specifically for wheezy/sid support |
| 17:34.51 | babilen | n0yd: Are you sure that the theme you set with it is a gtk3 one? |
| 17:34.56 | n0yd | babilen: are icon themes different in gtk3 also? |
| 17:35.03 | n0yd | babilen: no, but what aboiut icons |
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| 17:35.22 | n0yd | debian_next? god i didnt know debian had a ubuntuish channel policy also |
| 17:35.27 | n0yd | like #ubuntu+1 |
| 17:35.29 | n0yd | :P |
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| 17:35.35 | babilen | n0yd: I have no idea to be honest -- Never cared enough about it to investigate this in detail |
| 17:35.39 | n0yd | ok |
| 17:35.48 | n0yd | cause my system is fully themed |
| 17:35.53 | n0yd | except for nautilus |
| 17:35.55 | n0yd | brb |
| 17:36.00 | babilen | !tell n0yd -about enter |
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| 17:36.54 | Iridos | wims, looks to me like some users have a configuration file that diverts stuff... |
| 17:37.12 | Iridos | <-gorn |
| 17:37.42 | n0yd | babilen: sorry its a bad habbit, my terminal is generally smaller than my smart phone screen, lol |
| 17:37.59 | babilen | n0yd: ack :) |
| 17:38.00 | n0yd | I get yelled at for it constantly, i really should maximize my irssi |
| 17:38.20 | n0yd | BTW, my smart phone is 4.65 inches, lol |
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| 17:38.29 | n0yd | just maximized |
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| 17:39.34 | sythe | Galaxy Nexus |
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| 17:39.59 | bs0d | Hello guys |
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| 17:42.03 | karl_k | hi all, i installed nvidia driver from testing in squeeze, its unstable, now i want to remove it. is there a simple command to list all installed packages that are not from the squeeze-repository |
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| 17:42.37 | babilen | !tell karl_k -about not available |
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| 17:43.13 | babilen | karl_k: Please *never* mix squeeze with anything but backports (/msg dpkg bdo) -- In particular nvidia drivers are available in bdo and you can just use those. |
| 17:43.26 | babilen | !tell karl_k about list repository |
| 17:43.30 | babilen | !tell karl_k about list repositories |
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| 17:44.49 | inigo | why my fstab get UUIDs after upgrading to wheezy ? |
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| 17:46.26 | bs0d | I get broken routing table http://pastebin.com/edcTSpzL |
| 17:46.30 | bs0d | can anybody comment on this? |
| 17:46.34 | bs0d | Am I missing something? |
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| 17:51.30 | ward_ | if i'm compiling something, and was missing something, install it, but it doesnt see it still |
| 17:51.44 | ward_ | what is then the command again to run to make it reload all the libs etc? |
| 17:52.39 | ward_ | nvm i rememver :) |
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| 17:52.48 | pieplay | Just did a clean debian install, grub returns "Welcome to grub" "error: unknown filesystem" |
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| 17:56.53 | bs0d | pieplay did you format your root filesystem into one of fs types supported by grub? |
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| 17:59.47 | pieplay | I guess so EXT3 , swapp, ext3 (home) |
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| 18:20.36 | karl_k | hey babilen: could you have a look here: http://pastebin.com/2TarwnmW and tell me if i will completely break my system if i remove everything not in my current repos ? |
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| 18:38.50 | rawfodog | So I wanna try to install debian. I have one extremely noobis question though. Is the install really 8 dvds large ? I'm on the site and there are links to what looks like an 8 dvd install |
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| 18:40.17 | ward_ | i want to compile something on wheezy, but it requires libev3 and i can only get 4 |
| 18:40.29 | ward_ | is there any way i can still compile it? |
| 18:42.54 | adb | judd, versions libev3 |
| 18:42.55 | judd | Package: libev3 on i386 -- lenny: 3.43-1.1; squeeze: 1:3.9-1 |
| 18:44.19 | adb | ward_, so, may run squeeze in virtualbox for compile |
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| 18:44.58 | ward_ | adb, will that work? :s |
| 18:45.18 | adb | why not |
| 18:45.21 | adb | ? |
| 18:45.25 | lynks | rawfodog: you only need to download the net-install iso, which is about 170mb |
| 18:45.40 | ward_ | adb, because wheezy doesnt have 3 ? |
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| 18:45.53 | adb | judd, versions libev4 |
| 18:45.54 | judd | Package: libev4 on i386 -- sid: 1:4.11-1; wheezy: 1:4.11-1 |
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| 18:45.57 | lynks | rawfodog: the rest you can get through the repositories |
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| 18:46.38 | stephanb | hi there, i just installed debian on my intel-macbook and can't get it to start, even using an rEfit-livecd... can anyone suggest what to do? |
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| 18:48.02 | tekzilla | to boot a debian iso over the network, do i only need to extract it and share its root ? |
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| 18:51.13 | adb | dpkg, netboot |
| 18:51.13 | dpkg | netboot is, like, a Debian installation method involving the use of TFTP and DHCP (or BOOTP, RARP) servers, to provide installation media to clients on a local network. Not recommended for novice users, ask me about <netinst>. See also <install guide>, <netboot miniiso>, <installer firmware>, <open firmware>. |
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| 18:53.22 | adb | dpkg, tell tekzilla -about selftell |
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| 18:56.57 | tekzilla | dpkg, netboot miniiso |
| 18:56.57 | dpkg | mini.iso is a super small ISO that utilizes the <netboot> images to fetch <d-i> and all components over the network. Only contains a boot loader, kernel and initrd, typically ~16MB. Start at http://debian.org/distrib/netinst#verysmall and work your way until you find the mini.iso for your architecture. |
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| 18:58.46 | ward_ | adb, i tried a deb which also complains i dont have libev3 |
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| 18:59.06 | ward_ | is there a way i can get libev3 next to 4 ? |
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| 19:06.13 | n0yd | any remastersys users here? |
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| 19:06.41 | n0yd | I made a remastersys iso of my current install as like a ghost image, so if something goes wrong i can easily restore |
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| 19:07.24 | n0yd | but i noticed using it as a live cd, the wifi connects, but no connections to anything, i assume its the resolv.conf |
| 19:07.39 | n0yd | how would I fix that in a remastersys iso? |
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| 19:08.13 | n0yd | pseubodot: btw, earlier you said to join #debian-next, its invite only |
| 19:08.40 | engla | debian-next is on oftc |
| 19:09.17 | n0yd | ah ok |
| 19:09.31 | n0yd | i remember when debian moved their servers to oftc and all that |
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| 19:16.28 | pseubodot | n0yd: /me did? |
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| 19:17.10 | n0yd | pseubodot: i thought it was you |
| 19:17.19 | n0yd | someone told me to try debian_next |
| 19:17.23 | n0yd | but didnt say oftc |
| 19:17.24 | pseubodot | n0yd: as abrotman will tell you, I get blamed for many things... :) |
| 19:17.30 | n0yd | heh |
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| 19:17.46 | n0yd | i keep forgetting to auto connect oftc in my irssi config |
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| 19:20.03 | jelly-home | pseuboblamed. |
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| 19:28.00 | lynks | possibly the most important question of all: Debian as in FEBruary, or Debian as in FEEble? |
| 19:28.29 | gnarface | lynks: depends on whether you say it with a Finnish accent or not |
| 19:29.02 | lynks | gnarface: which are you counting as finnish? |
| 19:29.17 | gnarface | lynks: joking but "fee" |
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| 19:29.53 | jelly-home | lynks: febfeeble. |
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| 19:30.25 | gnarface | lynks: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debian according to wikipedia i believe its deb |
| 19:30.43 | lynks | gnarface: i must be finnish. i know its Deb from Debra Lynn, but DEEbian always sounded more natural to me |
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| 19:32.33 | daemonkeeper | lynks: Actually people won't mind either alternative, where one is the native speaker interpretation, and the other one for the remaining part of the world. |
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| 19:33.39 | lynks | daemonkeeper: in that case i will continue DEEing happily. |
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| 19:34.59 | jelly-home | lynks: HERETIC |
| 19:35.05 | jelly-home | !burn lynks |
| 19:35.39 | lynks | also says linux weirdly |
| 19:35.53 | daemonkeeper | Well, I guess Linus Torvalds is used to English pronunciation by now |
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| 19:36.48 | jelly-home | still, extending the courtesy and pronouncing things the right way is only polite |
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| 19:38.41 | lynks | wishes her name had been Deebra |
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| 19:39.03 | gnarface | to be fair, Linus also pronounces his own name weird. silly Finns |
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| 19:39.22 | gnarface | is edumacated |
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| 19:41.51 | trysten | shouts loudly: DEB |
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| 19:52.18 | solar_sea | Is there a debian specific way to get the proprietary nvidia drivers on squeeze using 3.2.0 kernel from backports ? I've tried installing the dkms but the module build fails because "it only supports 2.6 and newer kernels :D" |
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| 19:56.13 | engla | solar_sea: fix the dkms package? |
| 19:57.31 | solar_sea | engla: fair enough, the fix in the makefile is simple. How do I force it's regeneration after that ? |
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| 20:00.25 | solar_sea | engla: when I do dpkg-reconfigure nvidia-kernel-dkms it replaces the directory with the problem Makefile and reruns it again, heh |
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| 20:04.14 | Andy80 | hi |
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| 20:04.49 | FDFlock | Hello everyone! I need URGENT help from EXPERIENCED linux users. Hell, I'm experienced myself, running Linux for ~6 years, but I can't think straight right now. I deleted LOTS of things on a remote machine. |
| 20:04.59 | Andy80 | are there any plans or work in progress to package Unity/Unity-2D for Debian? |
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| 20:05.13 | engla | solar_sea: maybe you can patch the package's source |
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| 20:05.40 | jelly-home | FDFlock: just ask your question |
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| 20:06.36 | FDFlock | jelly-home: Thanks! I deleted my ~ accidentally on my remote server. Trying to remount read-only, doesn't work because I'm still logged-in |
| 20:07.03 | FDFlock | That's good actually, because if I lose this ssh connection I won't be able to reconnect |
| 20:07.08 | jelly-home | FDFlock: remount which fs read-only? |
| 20:07.09 | FDFlock | ~/.ssh ot nuked |
| 20:07.22 | FDFlock | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:07.41 | jelly-home | FDFlock: and mount -o remount,ro /home fails? |
| 20:07.47 | FDFlock | yes it fails |
| 20:08.15 | FDFlock | I'm afraid to recreate ~/.ssh and a new key |
| 20:08.33 | jelly-home | FDFlock: can you ssh into the machine directly to root? |
| 20:08.41 | FDFlock | I can sudo |
| 20:08.41 | AimHere | Wouldn't it be smarter to make up a new user and get him privved for ssh? |
| 20:08.56 | AimHere | Then you can login from another session |
| 20:09.02 | jelly-home | FDFlock: is that a "no" or an "I don't know"? |
| 20:09.03 | FDFlock | AimHere: good point, as I said this is a disaster, I can't think straight |
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| 20:09.37 | AimHere | Also if you're intending to undelete files from this drive, maybe pick some other drive as the home dir |
| 20:09.47 | FDFlock | even this irc client I'm using is running remotely on that machine |
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| 20:10.13 | FDFlock | AimHere: good point too, the problem is that this machine is 1000 miles away |
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| 20:11.06 | jelly-home | FDFlock: is this a machine running some other production services? |
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| 20:11.50 | FDFlock | jelly-home: A home server running apache, mysql, ssh and having LOTS of useful files |
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| 20:12.00 | FDFlock | not really production, but REALLY important for me |
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| 20:12.08 | jelly-home | FDFlock: you can force-remount everything as read-only using /proc/sysrq-trigger, but that's undoable and requires a reboot afterwards |
| 20:12.34 | jelly-home | FDFlock: so mysql will definitely barf |
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| 20:13.16 | FDFlock | I don't really care about the services right now, I just want to save as many ~ files as possible without losing remote access |
| 20:13.19 | jelly-home | FDFlock: and I supposed there is noone on site? |
| 20:13.23 | jelly-home | suppose* |
| 20:13.28 | FDFlock | exactly! |
| 20:13.43 | jelly-home | FDFlock: echo u >> /proc/sysrq-trigger |
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| 20:13.57 | AimHere | If you want deleted files rescued you probably *don't* want to remount and start using the drive again |
| 20:14.03 | FDFlock | Won't this bring ssh down? |
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| 20:14.26 | FDFlock | AimHere: I want to mount -vo remount,ro |
| 20:14.27 | jelly-home | FDFlock: it may stop you from logging in again, unsure |
| 20:14.42 | jelly-home | FDFlock: probably won't kill the current process |
| 20:14.49 | FDFlock | ~ is still mounted read-write |
| 20:15.43 | jelly-home | but really, if you want the disk can intact as possible, for recovery down the line, best thing short of unplugging the power is doing a forced remount ro |
| 20:15.52 | FDFlock | Question: Let's say I create another user (not very good since stuff will get overwritten in /home). Can I add him in sudoers without problems? |
| 20:16.03 | FDFlock | jelly-home: hat's what i had in mind |
| 20:16.11 | FDFlock | *that's |
| 20:16.25 | FDFlock | I can't do it b ecause many files are still busy in ~ |
| 20:16.34 | jelly-home | FDFlock: let's say ANYTHING you write in /home, including your IRC logs or creating a new user, could be overwriting block with your data |
| 20:16.47 | FDFlock | jelly-home: I know! |
| 20:16.52 | jelly-home | FDFlock: I just told you how to do it. |
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| 20:17.10 | FDFlock | As I said thi is a disaster any way |
| 20:17.17 | jelly-home | shrug |
| 20:17.43 | FDFlock | I just told you how to do it. --> By using magic sysrq |
| 20:17.48 | jelly-home | yes. |
| 20:17.53 | FDFlock | But this will ffect the other partitions too |
| 20:17.58 | jelly-home | yes. |
| 20:18.04 | FDFlock | not only ~ |
| 20:18.05 | jelly-home | all of the mounted ones |
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| 20:18.25 | FDFlock | I want to at least retain access to / |
| 20:18.34 | jelly-home | you will, read-only access. |
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| 20:19.35 | jelly-home | FDFlock: I feel that's a better option than killing all the processes using /home, logging in as root, and remounting /home ro |
| 20:19.52 | jelly-home | wrt minimizing writes to said /home |
| 20:20.05 | alfplayer | I don't get what's the problem with sshing to root? |
| 20:20.12 | FDFlock | Oh, I can't even log in as root remotely |
| 20:20.24 | FDFlock | heh, "just to be safe" |
| 20:20.30 | alfplayer | hmm, why? |
| 20:20.30 | FDFlock | i feel like an idiot |
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| 20:21.15 | FDFlock | There is another user account that I can use, but it is a no-password, unpriviledged account. I guess I can add it to sudoers |
| 20:21.47 | jelly-home | FDFlock: man, forget sudo. Enable root access via ssh if that's what you want. |
| 20:22.02 | alfplayer | ^^ |
| 20:22.24 | jelly-home | FDFlock: PermitRootLogin yes in /etc/ssh/sshd_config, and reload ssh service |
| 20:22.48 | FDFlock | Funniest thing is that I've lost my .irssi settings and thus my freenode account! This might be the last time you are seeing me (with this username) if I don't manage to save my files! |
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| 20:23.09 | FDFlock | Thankfully, the really imprtant ones were on another partition |
| 20:23.22 | jelly-home | FDFlock: how much is your data worth to you? $50? $500? |
| 20:23.28 | jelly-home | more? |
| 20:23.43 | FDFlock | worth? Lots of time |
| 20:23.55 | jelly-home | how much is your hour worth? |
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| 20:24.31 | FDFlock | And if I lose remote access it will be a real disaster; I'll be away from that server until June |
| 20:25.00 | FDFlock | is adding his other account to sudoers meanwhile |
| 20:25.02 | alfplayer | you better get working then until you lose connection |
| 20:25.18 | jelly-home | FDFlock: you've already lost it, because the recovery procedure and undeleting is an offline process |
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| 20:26.04 | jelly-home | FDFlock: Logging in as a different user with a HOME under /home won't make things better. |
| 20:26.32 | jelly-home | FDFlock: enable root access, log in directly as root, and then deal |
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| 20:27.32 | FDFlock | FDFlock: you've already lost it, because the recovery procedure and undeleting is an offline process --> Even if the /home partition gets completely unmounted? |
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| 20:28.41 | jelly-home | FDFlock: yes. You _really_ want to make an image of the whole partition before messing with it, or giving it to a data recovery service. |
| 20:28.41 | alfplayer | FDFlock: have you enabled ssh root access? |
| 20:28.47 | FDFlock | jelly-home: point taken about root, it's just that I'll also need to modify the root account (right now it's passwordless, ubuntu style) |
| 20:29.00 | jelly-home | FDFlock: which debian release is this? |
| 20:29.09 | FDFlock | stable (squeeze) |
| 20:29.28 | jelly-home | so set a "passwd root" |
| 20:30.32 | jelly-home | next time you delete stuff and realize it, amusingly the best thing to do is to pull the power plug |
| 20:30.58 | FDFlock | i know, but the power plug is 1000 miles away :) |
| 20:31.03 | FDFlock | heh |
| 20:31.04 | jelly-home | sysrq isn't |
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| 20:31.18 | FDFlock | BTW thanks for your instructions, you are very helpful |
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| 20:31.48 | jelly-home | actually, scratch that. The best thing to do is; HAVE WORKING BACKUPS |
| 20:32.00 | brylie | How can I install up-to-date versions of Firefox and Chromium on Debian 6? |
| 20:32.16 | FDFlock | jelly-home: Oh I do have ones! A bit too old though |
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| 20:33.04 | jelly-home | hah |
| 20:33.22 | FDFlock | jelly-home: BTW, I just realised the dangers of using "ctrl-R" in bash... that's how I deleted everything |
| 20:33.31 | FDFlock | oh god, I feel like a real idiot |
| 20:34.49 | alfplayer | I think it's danegerous too |
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| 20:35.30 | FDFlock | jelly-home: you said "You _really_ want to make an image of the whole partition" ---> I can do that on another partition. I'll ask your opinion later, once I secure r-only access |
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| 20:39.28 | bthemc | how do u use this |
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| 20:41.49 | scroat | moin. |
| 20:42.00 | scroat | does debian sid non net install cd come with iptables? |
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| 20:42.57 | engla | scroat: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/i386/list-cd/ |
| 20:43.00 | engla | you can find out :-) |
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| 20:43.26 | engla | (answer: cd1, yes) |
| 20:43.26 | scroat | I only have one cd to burn. |
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| 20:43.29 | scroat | thanks. |
| 20:44.22 | ward_ | i created tun0 and tun1 with tunctl, i made them owned by some non root user |
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| 20:44.41 | ward_ | is there any way i can give that user the rights to run ifconfig? |
| 20:44.45 | ward_ | but only on those 2 interfaces |
| 20:45.01 | jelly-home | ward_: configure sudo appropriately? |
| 20:45.05 | ward_ | if this is impossible: can i give this user rights to run ifconfig altogether? |
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| 20:45.48 | ward_ | jelly-home, i prefer not to use sudo unless i have to |
| 20:45.51 | tremon | ward_: users already have all permissions they need to run ifconfig or ip |
| 20:45.54 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:46.09 | jelly-home | ward_: it's the appropriate tool for this task. |
| 20:46.27 | ward_ | tremon, strange |
| 20:46.31 | ward_ | adb, yes it does |
| 20:46.33 | ward_ | ifconfig does not |
| 20:46.36 | ward_ | /sbin/ifconfig does |
| 20:46.50 | FDFlock | jelly-home: questions, questions... 1. is pword auth that safe for root? 2. Important: I won't lose SSH access if I restart SSHD (for the new settings to take effect), right? 3. Afte I remount-ro and taking an image, any idea how should I start the recovery process? |
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| 20:48.32 | jelly-home | 1. as safe as for anyone else 2. correct, but I said "reload" rather than "restart". restart won't kill working connections either. 3. that's the fun part, and why I asked how much the data is worth |
| 20:48.44 | jelly-home | FDFlock: ^^ |
| 20:48.57 | FDFlock | jelly-home: i see, thank you again |
| 20:49.09 | FDFlock | is restarting sshd |
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| 20:49.40 | FDFlock | phew! done |
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| 20:51.36 | else- | anyone being able to detect dock/undock events with the new thinkpad port replicators? |
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| 20:59.51 | FDFlock | I changed PasswordAuthentication to "yes" (/etc/ssh/sshd_config) and also PermitRootLogin to "yes", is that not enough? It won't let me connect |
| 20:59.55 | FDFlock | :( |
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| 21:00.22 | FDFlock | openssh client says "Permission denied, please try again." |
| 21:01.19 | FDFlock | as if I entered a wrong password |
| 21:01.26 | FDFlock | any ideas? |
| 21:01.32 | tremon | FDFlock: if you're using PAM (as you most probably are), you might need "ChallengeResponseAuthentication yes" |
| 21:01.54 | FDFlock | tremon: Thanks! trying right now |
| 21:02.53 | jelly-home | FDFlock: you should not have messed with PasswordAuthentication. |
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| 21:04.10 | jelly-home | if it worked for your normal user, it ought to have worked for root as well |
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| 21:05.14 | FDFlock | jelly-home: normal user was using an RSA (asymmetrical) key |
| 21:05.26 | FDFlock | Well, I can generate another one for root |
| 21:05.48 | FDFlock | But where should I put it? /root/ssh/authorized_keys? |
| 21:06.03 | FDFlock | s/ssh/.ssh/ |
| 21:06.05 | jelly-home | oh, you had it disabled previously? |
| 21:06.12 | FDFlock | jelly-home: yes |
| 21:06.16 | jelly-home | fun times |
| 21:07.06 | FDFlock | that's why i told you that if i lose this connection it's over! I lost the key in ~/.ssh, lol |
| 21:08.32 | FDFlock | Since tremon's suggestion didn't work and root still cannot login, I'll generate a key for root as well |
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| 21:08.45 | FDFlock | is /root/.ssh/authorized_keys the proper place to put the pub key? |
| 21:08.53 | tremon | FDFlock: just put it back (~/.ssh), you still have your public key on the machine you're connecting from, right? |
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| 21:10.04 | FDFlock | tremon: I have the private key, but I guess the pub key can be generated? Anyway, that's not the problem, the problem is that I have deleted ~ on a remote machine and I must recover it remotely! |
| 21:10.15 | FDFlock | Yes, I am an idiot |
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| 21:10.51 | tremon | FDFlock: in my ~/.ssh, I have id_rsa and id_rsa.pub (the corresponding public key) |
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| 21:11.51 | FDFlock | I know, but MY ~/.ssh got nuked! So I want to enable root SSH access, mount /home read-only and start the recovery process |
| 21:12.32 | tremon | FDFlock: ah you nuked your desktop? I thought you had nuked the remote system... |
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| 21:13.00 | FDFlock | sorry for the confusion, I nuked the remote system |
| 21:13.24 | Diopter | FDFlock: Why don't you just regen a keypair locally and upload the public key to authorized_keys |
| 21:13.27 | FDFlock | but I still have a live SSH connection and I'm trying to work things from there |
| 21:13.37 | FDFlock | Diopter: yeap |
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| 21:13.43 | FDFlock | is /root/.ssh/authorized_keys the proper place to put the pub key? |
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| 21:13.51 | tremon | yes |
| 21:13.58 | Diopter | Yes |
| 21:14.02 | FDFlock | thanks! |
| 21:14.25 | FDFlock | is trying it |
| 21:14.28 | tremon | make sure the dir (/root/.ssh) is mode 700 and authorized_keys is 600 |
| 21:14.34 | Diopter | For reference, .ssh needs to be 0700, and the files ins... yeah |
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| 21:15.20 | FDFlock | thanks, I remember that, it's the classic problem that everyone runs on when setting up SSH for the 1st time :) |
| 21:15.35 | rawfodog | Lets say I want to install the packages the installer offered me for LAPTOP ... AFTER the install. How do I do this ? |
| 21:15.43 | rawfodog | The machine isnt online I only have the dvd |
| 21:16.19 | tremon | rawfodog: I think you're looking for tasksel? |
| 21:16.38 | rawfodog | maybe ? |
| 21:16.41 | rawfodog | I dunno |
| 21:16.44 | Diopter | tasksel, yeah |
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| 21:17.16 | rawfodog | how do I get into that ? |
| 21:17.34 | Diopter | "tasksel" :P |
| 21:17.39 | rawfodog | k thanks :) |
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| 21:18.46 | MrJK | hi guys |
| 21:19.34 | MrJK | I was wondering, I'd like to test a desktop environment, so I'd like to launch a second Xorg session on my computer |
| 21:19.47 | MrJK | But, I can't find any howto on Google, or any help |
| 21:19.52 | tremon | MrJK: startx -- :1 |
| 21:20.03 | crazygir | has anyone run into issues with iceweasel on debian squeeze not supporting google yt videos? |
| 21:20.04 | Diopter | ^ specifying a difference X display |
| 21:20.33 | Diopter | You can also interact with a different X display by running commands with DISPLAY=<#> |
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| 21:21.04 | alpha2 | Hey, sorry, I'm having a brain fart... |
| 21:21.05 | MrJK | tremon: omg, that was so easy u_u' |
| 21:21.23 | alpha2 | I'm trying to get ~/bin to work, it's a line I have to add in .bashrc... |
| 21:21.27 | alpha2 | What is it again? |
| 21:21.28 | tremon | more specifically, it's startx [X session root program] [session arguments] -- [X server program] [server arguments] |
| 21:21.41 | alpha2 | I tried googling, didn't figure it out |
| 21:21.58 | Diopter | alpha2: What do you mean exactly? Adding ~/bin to your shell's path? |
| 21:22.03 | alpha2 | yea |
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| 21:22.31 | MrJK | and if I wanna lauch awesome with it, I just do need to use the DISPLAY env variable ? |
| 21:22.39 | Diopter | export PATH=$PATH:~/bin |
| 21:22.42 | alpha2 | tx |
| 21:22.46 | gnarface | alpha2: the default debian ~/.bashrc from skel should already do that for you if ~/bin is in your home dir |
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| 21:23.17 | alpha2 | it doesn't:( |
| 21:23.20 | tremon | MrJK: at a guess, it's startx /usr/bin/awesome -- :1 |
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| 21:24.07 | alpha2 | k, I added it, do I have to reload something? |
| 21:24.11 | alpha2 | or should it work right away? |
| 21:24.20 | Miggs | Hey guys, I've done a fresh install of stable, installed firmware-iwlwifi and wireless-tools. I can find my local wifi network but dhcp doesn't seem to be working and it eventually gives up and disconnects. Can anyone point me in the right direction? |
| 21:24.21 | tremon | . ~/.bashrc |
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| 21:25.27 | alfplayer | MrJK: you can also use one of those apps that launch X inside a window |
| 21:27.04 | MrJK | I have some errors ... I gonna look on google to check what i can do |
| 21:27.22 | max_sharpe | miggs try using static ip addy for your machine |
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| 21:27.44 | max_sharpe | once in a while i have had that problem with windows machines on linksys routers |
| 21:27.48 | max_sharpe | and my ps3 too. |
| 21:27.58 | MrJK | alfplayer: I don't really like these tools cause I don't really understand waht they do. Morover, I got a 'minimal' Debian, and I like the way I made it :p |
| 21:28.03 | Miggs | max_sharpe: It works just fine for every other device on the network and also worked great on this machine with it's previous Ubuntu install. A static ip is just masking the problem |
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| 21:28.35 | max_sharpe | oh |
| 21:28.42 | max_sharpe | its a reinstall |
| 21:28.45 | max_sharpe | and it previously worked |
| 21:29.04 | max_sharpe | hmmmm |
| 21:29.15 | Miggs | Worked great with Ubuntu which includes the 4965AGN drivers out of the box. Debian, not so much. |
| 21:29.22 | Diopter | Miggs: With a static IP it works? Or doesn't? |
| 21:29.39 | MrJK | well, I have: waiting for X server to begin accepting connections . |
| 21:29.39 | MrJK | No protocol specified |
| 21:29.42 | max_sharpe | but ubunt is basically debian |
| 21:29.50 | Miggs | Diopter: I'll give it a try now. |
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| 21:30.01 | alfplayer | MrJK: like xnest or xephyr |
| 21:30.05 | Miggs | max_sharpe: Yes, with a whole bunch of non-free packages already configured and working. |
| 21:30.12 | Diopter | Miggs: If it doesn't work, then you likely have a wifi authentication issue, where it isn't fully connecting Layer 2 |
| 21:30.29 | Miggs | Diopter: how would I go about fixing that? |
| 21:30.32 | MrJK | alfplayer: yep, I tried xephyr. It worked pretty well, but I wanna have my session in tty |
| 21:31.02 | MrJK | DOn't know if it is the proper way to say it, but by accesing it via ctrl+alt+F<N> |
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| 21:31.42 | Diopter | Miggs: Well, check static first |
| 21:32.16 | alfplayer | MrJK: yeah, i think virtual terminal is the proper term |
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| 21:33.01 | Diopter | Those aren't virtual terminals or pseudo terminals, those are TTYs. Physical terminals. |
| 21:33.05 | FDFlock | DAMN SECURITY! I was paranoid about security and made things much harder for myself, now that there is an emergency! I was using AllowUsers in sshd_config and had forgotten to add "root" |
| 21:33.12 | FDFlock | At last, it works! |
| 21:33.12 | tremon | MrJK: it could be that :1 is already in use by your current session, so try :0 or :2, :3 etc. It could also be that the system doesn't allow non-root users to start X (it's a debconf question, but don't know from which package) |
| 21:33.21 | Diopter | FDFlock: Good work. Secured yourself into a corner :) |
| 21:33.25 | ward_ | how can i get SSH X11 forwarding workign for root please? |
| 21:33.29 | ward_ | on debian wheezy |
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| 21:33.42 | Diopter | ward_: Are you extra sure you want that? |
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| 21:34.06 | FDFlock | Diopter: yeah, first I was using rsa-only, noroot-login, and allowusers :) |
| 21:34.23 | ward_ | Diopter, yep, i have no choice |
| 21:34.58 | Diopter | FDFlock: Which is a great way to go |
| 21:35.10 | Diopter | FDFlock: Assuming you have a non-root administrative user who can elevate privileges |
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| 21:35.39 | FDFlock | Diopter: Yeah, I was using sudo |
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| 21:35.54 | MrJK | tremon: amazing, you rocks body :D |
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| 21:36.13 | tremon | FDFlock: as it happens, I feel your pain. I'm trying to recover from a situation where I nuked ext4's superblock and root directory entries... |
| 21:36.19 | FDFlock | Diopter: It was great, until I nuked the whole ~ of said user! Now I have to recover it remotely |
| 21:36.25 | ward_ | Diopter, so any ideas? |
| 21:36.39 | alpha2 | is getting impatient |
| 21:36.40 | alpha2 | haha |
| 21:36.40 | FDFlock | tremon: Ouch. |
| 21:37.02 | Diopter | FDFlock: Sudo is decent for that, though most people just use sudo as a way to make their non-root user into the root user, in everything but name |
| 21:37.52 | FDFlock | true, at least using sudo keeps you consious when you need administrative commands |
| 21:38.05 | FDFlock | it doesn't prevent nuking ~, sadly |
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| 21:38.38 | tremon | Diopter: I guess I'm most people then, I'm using sudo as a means for accountability, not to impede my movements |
| 21:39.25 | Diopter | tremon: And that's one place where it's very useful. But on a large team where you have lots of admins, you'll tend to find people using sudo to just switch to root (sudo -i or the ugly sudo su -) |
| 21:39.36 | raboof | hi. whenever i switch to vt1 and then back to X11, i get sent back to the gdm login screen. ~/.xsession-errors shows 'resource temporarily unavailable' errors - that looks like a symptom rather than a cause. nothing in /var/log/Xorg.0.log. where should I look? |
| 21:39.39 | Diopter | More like sudo is a gatekeeper than a wrapper. |
| 21:39.42 | FDFlock | sudo -s -H |
| 21:39.44 | FDFlock | :) |
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| 21:40.28 | FDFlock | (who would use sudo su!) |
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| 21:40.32 | tremon | Diopter: hence my rule %adm ALL=(root) noexec: ALL |
| 21:40.34 | Diopter | ward_: I think you just copy your .Xauthority to root and make sure it has the right perms |
| 21:41.00 | ward_ | Diopter, i tried that and it didnt work :( |
| 21:41.01 | tremon | :) |
| 21:41.06 | Diopter | tremon: Then you're not using it just as a way to make your non-root account a root account. I approve! |
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| 21:41.30 | Iridos | Diopter, magic cookie is not stored in ~/.Xauthority since gdm3 (i.e. squeeze) |
| 21:41.41 | Iridos | Diopter, instead $XAUTHORITY is set |
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| 21:42.38 | Miggs | Diopter: With a static connection it works just fine. |
| 21:42.43 | Diopter | Iridos: That's exciting. So in ward_'s case of wanting to X11 forward for root (or other users), any suggestions on how to move the cookie over? |
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| 21:42.58 | Diopter | Miggs: Cool. So that narrows it down to ARP, broadcasting and DHCP. |
| 21:42.58 | Miggs | Diopter: With a static connection it works just fine. |
| 21:43.05 | Iridos | Diopter, yes :) |
| 21:43.24 | ward_ | Iridos, so let's hear them :) |
| 21:43.44 | Iridos | ward_, do "xauth list" as the regular user |
| 21:43.58 | Iridos | pick the line you need and do "xauth add" for the root user |
| 21:44.06 | ward_ | done |
| 21:44.10 | Iridos | or look in $XAUTHORITY for the filename and copy that over |
| 21:44.51 | ward_ | $XAUTHORITY = empty |
| 21:44.54 | Iridos | there's actually a couple of hacks to sync/add stuff again to .Xauthority so that everything works like it used to |
| 21:44.56 | Miggs | Diopter: Any suggestions on what I should look into next? |
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| 21:45.21 | ward_ | and xauth list gives me 3 lines |
| 21:45.24 | Iridos | ward_, that should be set for any user logged in via gdm3 |
| 21:45.25 | ward_ | i haveno idea which one to use |
| 21:45.26 | buu | I have a slightly odd question. I have a fairly standard debian box with, I think, 2gb of ram in it. I shut it down and installed two more 2gb modules. So the total should be 6. I start it up and run 'free -m' and it shows me having roughly 3.3gb of ram + 3.5gb of swap |
| 21:45.44 | buu | Is there a 32bit vs 64bit issue with 6gb of ram? |
| 21:46.04 | Iridos | ward_, $XAUTHORITY is not set even for the user if he logs in remotely... it's set for the shells running in xterms, though |
| 21:46.07 | ward_ | Iridos, i have no gnome even |
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| 21:46.13 | ward_ | Iridos, this is a headless machine with x libs |
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| 21:46.18 | Iridos | ward_, gdm3 is the greeter, not gnome |
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| 21:46.27 | ward_ | well i have no graphics whatsoever |
| 21:46.39 | tremon | buu: depends on your debian kernel version. 32-bit can normally access only 4GB of ram |
| 21:46.51 | Iridos | so what X screen are you trying to connect to with a magic cookie |
| 21:46.51 | buu | tremon: Linux storage 2.6.32-5-686 #1 SMP Mon Oct 3 04:15:24 UTC 2011 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 21:47.03 | ward_ | Iridos, i dont know, let me rephrase |
| 21:47.19 | ward_ | Iridos, i use ssh, with regular users X11 forwarding works fine, with root it does not |
| 21:47.23 | ward_ | all the other crap i have no clue about |
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| 21:47.52 | tremon | buu: unless you use the -pae kernel. Don't know if Squeeze's SMP kernel has PAE enabled, cat /proc/cpuinfo|grep --color pae |
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| 21:48.34 | FDFlock | buu, tremon: there is a special "bigmem" pae kenel in the repo, if you need pae |
| 21:48.40 | tremon | patiently waits for my UUC award... (oops) |
| 21:48.41 | Iridos | ward_, well, can you (locally, not via ssh) call something like "xterm" as root and a window opens? |
| 21:48.57 | buu | tremon: PAE appears to be enabled, but what the heck is it? |
| 21:48.57 | ward_ | Iridos, i have NO GRAPHICS |
| 21:49.04 | ward_ | no monitor |
| 21:49.05 | ward_ | no gpu |
| 21:49.06 | ward_ | nothing |
| 21:49.09 | FDFlock | buu: physical address extension |
| 21:49.13 | tremon | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physical_Address_Extension |
| 21:49.14 | ward_ | 100% headless |
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| 21:49.34 | Iridos | ward_, you cannot do X11 forwarding with NO GRAPHICS.... |
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| 21:49.38 | buu | So since it's enabled I should be able to access more than 4gb? |
| 21:49.43 | Diopter | buu: Up to 64 |
| 21:49.49 | tremon | buu: it should allow you to access more than 4GB of ram, but apparently it's not working or free isn't reporting it |
| 21:49.49 | ward_ | Iridos, i have no way to connect a monitor to it |
| 21:49.53 | alfplayer | Diopter: 1 to 6 are tty, and they are all virtual terminals (e.g. see man chvt) |
| 21:49.55 | Iridos | X11 forwarding still needs something to FORWARD to |
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| 21:50.24 | ward_ | Iridos, sure, but i cannot hook up an LCD... |
| 21:50.30 | lenswipe | hey guys |
| 21:50.35 | Iridos | ward_, wait, on what side are you becoming root |
| 21:50.52 | ward_ | Iridos, i log in as my regular user, then do su |
| 21:50.55 | buu | tremon: Any idea where to troubleshoot this? |
| 21:51.03 | ward_ | Iridos, all over ssh |
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| 21:51.23 | lenswipe | i have a USB sound card in addition to my normal sound card, yesterday i bought a bluetooth adapter and installed that into my computer, now my USB sound card is nowhere to be found as far as debian is concerned - can someone help? |
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| 21:52.25 | Diopter | alfplayer: Ah, well, you are correct in the sense that they're also VTs since there's only one real physical terminal, and (a)getty is multiplexing it |
| 21:52.40 | lenswipe | i have a USB sound card in addition to my normal sound card, yesterday i bought a bluetooth adapter and installed that into my computer, now my USB sound card is nowhere to be found as far as debian is concerned - can someone help? |
| 21:52.47 | tremon | buu: I think you need to ask on a kernel list or hope for a kernel guru here. It's possible that free is reporting only 4GB because a single application can't access more than that. |
| 21:52.49 | Diopter | alfplayer: I was moreso interested in emphasizing the distinction between tty1-x and the ptys that get allocated inside of X, for instance |
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| 21:53.14 | buu | tremon: that's an interesting idea. Either way it's not particularly critical, thanks though. |
| 21:53.25 | Diopter | tremon, buu: "The 32-bit size of the virtual address is not changed, so regular application software continues to use instructions with 32-bit addresses and (in a flat memory model) is limited to 4 gigabytes of virtual address space." |
| 21:53.38 | ward_ | Iridos, was that what you meant? |
| 21:53.39 | Iridos | ward_, xauth list as the regular user --> xauth add '<line you got with xauth list>' when you're root must also work in that scenario... and ssh -X still uses regular .Xauthoriy, so that should also work |
| 21:53.40 | Diopter | However the kernel should be able to report the full amount. |
| 21:53.52 | buu | Diopter: Meaning free should show 6gb? |
| 21:54.03 | ward_ | Iridos, what can i try when both don't work? |
| 21:54.14 | MrJK | tremon: just a question, instead incrementing the display number, there is a way to fix that properly ? |
| 21:54.16 | Iridos | figure out what happens :) |
| 21:54.41 | alfplayer | Diopter: I understand |
| 21:54.41 | Diopter | buu: Possibly, not sure how free works. Maybe check top, or cat /proc/meminfo |
| 21:54.43 | tremon | MrJK: not that I know of. I've never needed it for more than simple test runs... |
| 21:54.57 | Iridos | ward_, you can cross-check running xauth list as root as well |
| 21:55.12 | ward_ | Iridos, for some reason it works now |
| 21:55.16 | MrJK | tremon: yep, I crashed it couple of time or I sigkill it :/ That's just ugly :p |
| 21:55.26 | ward_ | Iridos, thanks for the help |
| 21:55.28 | Iridos | and the line should say something like host/unix:10 MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 367a23c0f82a11e452cae09263d8c06b |
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| 21:55.41 | n0yd | I forgot to mention this, but should this be a bug? When Im mounted via fstab to my cifs/smbfs share attached to my router, I cant fully power off/reboot, it hangs at the end |
| 21:55.43 | buu | Top thinks I have Swap: 11777336k |
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| 21:55.49 | n0yd | Ive tested it on many installs |
| 21:56.03 | n0yd | And finally found that having that mounted at shutdown is the problem |
| 21:56.12 | nsadmin | I like the method of, firing up an xterm (or whatever term that uses X), and if the root I want is localhost, ssh root@localhost |
| 21:56.13 | n0yd | If i umount before reboot, it works fine |
| 21:56.19 | moebius | i got a prob again. Tell me please for god's sake what to write in fstab to automount ntfs partition... |
| 21:56.25 | moebius | it's sda2 |
| 21:56.35 | simonlnu | !ntfsrw |
| 21:56.36 | dpkg | NTFS-3G is a userspace driver providing NTFS read and write support. "aptitude install ntfs-3g". Usage examples: http://www.tuxera.com/community/ntfs-3g-download/#usage . Also ask me about <user accessible ntfs>. |
| 21:56.36 | lasers | Interesting question -- Is there something like this in linux? http://livereload.com/ |
| 21:56.50 | nsadmin | and if things are set up properly and you have xbase-clients, you can now fire up x clients from that login to display on the local x server |
| 21:56.57 | moebius | i've tried some. This time it doesn work.. |
| 21:57.03 | moebius | for example: |
| 21:57.15 | moebius | /dev/sda2 /mnt/data ntfs-3g auto,user,rw,exec 0 0 |
| 21:57.20 | moebius | this is what i did, and it fails. |
| 21:57.27 | moebius | oh... wait... |
| 21:57.28 | moebius | damn... |
| 21:57.33 | moebius | it's Data, not data.. |
| 21:57.37 | moebius | i forgot that it matters.. sorry. |
| 21:57.39 | moebius | nevermind. |
| 21:58.13 | nsadmin | a good reminder. |
| 21:58.41 | cardamon | What determines how gdm3 behaves? I like using it as my login manager, but am trying to get xmonad, without Gnome, to behave. That means autolaunching things like trayer. I'd let xmonad handle it, but my heads not wrapped around haskell yet. |
| 21:58.50 | nsadmin | he won't forget for a long time, since he went thru all the problem solving |
| 21:59.09 | n0yd | my bug is similar to this, http://superuser.com/questions/360863/linux-shutdown-hang-with-wifi-cifs-mounts |
| 21:59.21 | n0yd | it seems to not be a debian problem only |
| 21:59.33 | n0yd | would this be a kernel problem/bug? |
| 21:59.39 | nsadmin | hascell is a language around math |
| 21:59.40 | nsadmin | ? |
| 21:59.54 | kallisti | hm. |
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| 22:00.19 | kallisti | I would say that saying it's "around math" is mostly meaningless. |
| 22:00.43 | nsadmin | that's ok |
| 22:00.46 | kallisti | wy are you talking about Haskell? maybe I missed something. |
| 22:00.49 | cardamon | nsadmin: Dunno. But I don't have time to learn a new syntax. Got data structures homework and an automata midterm tomorrow. |
| 22:00.52 | Diopter | haskell is a pure, functional language |
| 22:01.10 | cardamon | xmonad is written in haskell...and so are its configs. |
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| 22:01.24 | Diopter | Same general language family as lisp or erlang or the ml's |
| 22:01.25 | FDFlock | haskell seems awesome, I'm going to learn it someday... or try to!\ |
| 22:01.28 | nsadmin | ahh, lisp-like with lambda-alikes and fn closures? |
| 22:01.35 | kallisti | nsadmin: I would say that Haskell borrows some concepts from category theory, which is a branch of mathematics, and its implementation uses concepts from theoretical computer science. |
| 22:01.44 | Diopter | nsadmin: Haskell is fully pure, whereas most lisps are not. |
| 22:01.52 | kallisti | Diopter: not quite, though. more like ML and Ocaml because it's statically typed |
| 22:01.53 | cardamon | Not what I'm asking about. |
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| 22:02.01 | Diopter | But otherwise, functional languages are more similar to each other than they are different from non-functional languages |
| 22:02.10 | FDFlock | But more on-topic, at last I have WORKING SSH root access! |
| 22:02.17 | cardamon | I want to make gdm3 launch trayer when it launches xmonad. |
| 22:02.19 | Diopter | kallisti: I know. I use xmonad and built my configs from scratch :) Just keeping it very general |
| 22:02.21 | max_sharpe | yay! |
| 22:02.25 | kallisti | cardamon: check out #xmonad for help with xmonad. if you want you can look at my xmonad config. |
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| 22:02.50 | cardamon | Not a directly xmonad question though. It goes to how gdm3 works, not xmonad. |
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| 22:03.07 | nsadmin | so is this thing a haskell shell? wm? |
| 22:03.14 | Diopter | nsadmin: Window Manager. |
| 22:03.16 | cardamon | I don't have anything like a .xinitrc or .Xsession in my home. |
| 22:03.33 | kallisti | cardamon: you have to create one |
| 22:03.35 | cardamon | So I don't know how/where gdm3 gets its info from. |
| 22:03.44 | kallisti | it's otherwise empty. |
| 22:03.53 | cardamon | Yes. I know. |
| 22:03.56 | Diopter | nsadmin: XMonad provides a largely feature-complete Haskell interface to the X11 API, and builds a tiling WM on top of that layer. |
| 22:04.00 | cardamon | Which is why I am asking. |
| 22:04.11 | nsadmin | cardamon, I've seen some of the x startup stuff, and it checks for existance of those files |
| 22:04.27 | cardamon | Which one affects gdm3's behavior? |
| 22:04.38 | deego | How do I "unrequest" any dselect's previously set set-selections? |
| 22:04.50 | nsadmin | since neither exist, neither. |
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| 22:05.22 | kallisti | cardamon: are you trying to set up xmonad? |
| 22:05.23 | deego | --clear-selections wouldn't do it - it would just set everyting to deinstall. right? |
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| 22:06.06 | nsadmin | deego, so you want what, all selected and not installed to become unselected? |
| 22:06.15 | cobra-the-joker | Hey there every one ... does debian-6.0.4-i386-kde-CD-1.iso installs a full kde desktop ? |
| 22:06.18 | cardamon | I'm launching xmonad from gdm3 but without gnome integration. And I like it that way. I need to add things like trayer to it though, and don't know where to put them. |
| 22:06.32 | kallisti | either .xsession or .xinitrc. should be either I think? |
| 22:06.36 | tremon | deego: have you read man dselect? |
| 22:06.44 | cardamon | Is there a global it pulls from? |
| 22:06.49 | cardamon | in /etc perhaps? |
| 22:06.56 | kallisti | cardamon: I'm using slim, but your .xsession should still look something like this http://sprunge.us/VhHc |
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| 22:06.59 | kallisti | cardamon: no |
| 22:07.08 | deego | nsadmin: I want the "requested selections" to be all set to nothing other than the current status - so that apt-get dselect-upgrade shouldn't do anything. |
| 22:07.14 | cardamon | I don't have an ~/.xsession |
| 22:07.20 | cardamon | That's precisely my point. |
| 22:07.30 | kallisti | cardamon: ...okay? |
| 22:07.36 | kallisti | make one. see what happens. |
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| 22:08.14 | cardamon | Something SOMEWHERE is telling gdm3 things. It's how it knows my user, and what WM or environments are available. |
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| 22:08.42 | deego | nsadmin: so, basically, yes. Pretty much what you said. |
| 22:08.55 | deego | And, all "unselected but installed" to become selected as well. |
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| 22:10.05 | kallisti | cardamon: I don't know. but maybe you should just try it and see? |
| 22:10.06 | Diopter | cardamon: Maybe /etc/gdm3/daemon.conf or somewhere around there? |
| 22:10.43 | a111 | I have a VPS running Debian. It wont resolve any hostnames. |
| 22:11.17 | Diopter | a111: cat /etc/resolv.conf, see what your nameserver(s) are set to |
| 22:11.24 | Diopter | a111: Then try pinging them, as a first step. |
| 22:11.47 | a111 | does it need rebooting after changing them? |
| 22:11.53 | Diopter | No |
| 22:12.12 | n0yd | Anyone seen this bug? https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=42864 |
| 22:12.17 | kallisti | cardamon: this looks somewhat related to what you're trying to do. and it doesn't mention anything about a global config. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CustomXSession |
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| 22:13.03 | ksx4system | which FTP server has lowest ram usage? |
| 22:13.05 | kallisti | cardamon: just make a .xsesssion, give it an executable flag, and restart gdm. if it doesn't seem to work, check .xsession-errors, and if that doesn't help, try looking for what you're currently looking for. |
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| 22:13.52 | ksx4system | I'd like to run vsftpd but I'm not sure if it would handle the traffic (up to 10mbit/s) on 64Mb of ram + 250MHz box |
| 22:14.05 | ksx4system | this box works like a charm with lighttpd and there's nearly zero traffic |
| 22:14.34 | ksx4system | ftp will be used for daily backups of package smaller than 100 megabytes (now even smaller than 10) |
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| 22:15.11 | Diopter | 10Mbps is pretty lightweight, even for that box, assuming the storage can sustain it |
| 22:15.18 | a111 | Diopter, I changed them to 8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4 and they still wont work. |
| 22:15.25 | kallisti | cardamon: it's likely just running a default session since tere's no .xsession |
| 22:15.34 | Iridos | ksx4system, try it and see? either it starts swapping or not... |
| 22:15.37 | a111 | Cant ping them either :| |
| 22:16.25 | Diopter | a111: So now you need to look at your routing configs, see what you can hit if anything. |
| 22:16.27 | deego | So, no one knows how to un-request the effect of dpkg --get-selections? :( |
| 22:16.40 | Diopter | a111: As well as iptables. So... pastebin "ip a", "ip r" and "iptables-save" |
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| 22:18.27 | a111 | http://pastebin.com/WG120uL7 |
| 22:18.51 | kommissar | is it possible to use the weekly "testing" install CD to install my system with "stable" ? |
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| 22:19.17 | Diopter | a111: You don't have a gateway specified in a default route. |
| 22:19.20 | nsadmin | deego, thanks for making it clear |
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| 22:19.33 | jelly-home | kommissar: why do you ask? |
| 22:19.51 | a111 | Any way to figure out what its supposed to be? SSH works on the server :| |
| 22:19.52 | kommissar | jelly-home: the testing CD has a kernel module my system requires that the stable CD does not. |
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| 22:20.16 | Diopter | a111: "on the server" meaning the VPS instance? Or the VPS host side? |
| 22:20.18 | jelly-home | kommissar: which one is it, and do the kmuto images have it as well? |
| 22:20.22 | jelly-home | !tell kommissar about kmuto |
| 22:20.25 | a111 | the vps host |
| 22:20.32 | a111 | the vps side |
| 22:20.36 | a111 | like the actual vps |
| 22:21.15 | kommissar | jelly-home: the kernel module i need is mptsas for powerpc, and i don't know if the kmuto images have it, but I will check. |
| 22:21.25 | Diopter | a111: So check it's "ip r" to see what the router IP is, and/or check "ip a" to see if the host side is perhaps the gateway for the instances |
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| 22:21.35 | Diopter | a111: And try pinging those IPs from inside your instance |
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| 22:21.49 | kommissar | jelly-home: wait, it looks like the kmuto CDs don't have powerpc |
| 22:22.03 | jelly-home | kommissar: yeah, just intel |
| 22:22.13 | kommissar | darn |
| 22:23.21 | alpha2 | Ok, so this didn't work... |
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| 22:23.54 | n0yd | how do i check/change the order of init scripts on shutdown and reboot? |
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| 22:24.13 | n0yd | ie, like seeing if my network goes down before or after unmounting network shARES |
| 22:24.37 | n0yd | because i think thats where my bug lies, even though i filed with kernel |
| 22:24.42 | Diopter | n0yd: In a SysV-init system like Debian, the scripts will execute in the sorted order of their names |
| 22:24.52 | Diopter | n0yd: So check rc?.d, for the runlevels in question |
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| 22:25.19 | alpha2 | http://puu.sh/jsUW |
| 22:25.21 | alpha2 | That doesn't work |
| 22:25.28 | alpha2 | Do I have to reset something? |
| 22:25.31 | n0yd | Diopter: eh, alphabet? |
| 22:25.47 | alpha2 | http://puu.sh/jsVb |
| 22:25.50 | alpha2 | that also doesn't work |
| 22:26.07 | Diopter | n0yd: Right. Like... S02blah, S40blah |
| 22:26.16 | n0yd | ok |
| 22:26.24 | n0yd | Diopter: what dir is that again? |
| 22:26.34 | alpha2 | and it's a slot, not a VPS, so I can't reboot |
| 22:26.38 | Diopter | n0yd: /etc/rc?.d, where ? is the runlevel |
| 22:26.40 | alpha2 | any ideas what I'm doing wrong |
| 22:26.43 | n0yd | and what run levels are reboot and shutdown, im sorry, im rusty |
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| 22:26.55 | Diopter | alpha2: Not exporting. |
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| 22:27.20 | alpha2 | ? |
| 22:27.28 | Iridos | alpha2, the stuff in skel is only used for new users |
| 22:28.45 | alpha2 | Ok, this isn't the skel... |
| 22:28.48 | Diopter | alpha2: You're not exporting PATH |
| 22:28.50 | alpha2 | this is just in my home dir |
| 22:28.50 | Iridos | alpha2, you just add PATH=$HOME/bin:$PATH to ~/.bashrc |
| 22:29.04 | alpha2 | to where? |
| 22:29.04 | Diopter | alpha2: export PATH=$PATH:$HOME/bin |
| 22:29.15 | alpha2 | slams head on desk * |
| 22:29.30 | alpha2 | I never thought this could be so complex:) |
| 22:29.52 | Iridos | Diopter, yours only gets executed if there's nothing else of the same name in the regular path, tough... |
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| 22:30.06 | gnarface | alpha2: your default fucking ~/.bashrc should already have the line in it. you should only have had to create the ~/bin directory |
| 22:30.13 | Iridos | guess that can make sense from a security point of view... if you leave ~/bin world-writable or so :P |
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| 22:30.20 | alpha2 | ok |
| 22:30.22 | alpha2 | so you'd think |
| 22:30.23 | alpha2 | haha |
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| 22:30.39 | alpha2 | http://puu.sh/jsXQ that is my default |
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| 22:30.52 | gnarface | oh my bad .. .you should only have had to do that, and then relog |
| 22:31.17 | alpha2 | oh |
| 22:31.19 | alpha2 | one sec |
| 22:31.54 | gnarface | alpha2: verify you have the same ~/.bashrc as the one in /etc/skel -- in fact, you should verify that you have one in /etc/skel too |
| 22:32.13 | alpha2 | nice |
| 22:32.13 | alpha2 | thanks |
| 22:32.16 | alpha2 | that's what it was |
| 22:32.26 | alpha2 | I had to relogin |
| 22:32.31 | alpha2 | I knew it was something easy |
| 22:32.34 | Diopter | You could have just sourced... but yeah |
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| 22:32.50 | alpha2 | not my server, I'm a guest |
| 22:32.54 | n0yd | Diopter: ok, so this could be my problem? http://pastebin.com/FbmVN9zv |
| 22:32.59 | alpha2 | if I could change the skel... then I wouldn't need ~/bin would I? |
| 22:33.04 | n0yd | wicd stops before umountfs |
| 22:33.07 | alpha2 | I'd just use the default /usr/bin:) |
| 22:33.11 | n0yd | if so, how should i rename them |
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| 22:35.50 | n0yd | :-/ |
| 22:36.10 | Diopter | n0yd: Well |
| 22:36.19 | n0yd | make it K# higher |
| 22:36.22 | n0yd | for wicd |
| 22:36.24 | n0yd | right? |
| 22:36.28 | Diopter | n0yd: Yes. In essence. |
| 22:36.31 | n0yd | ok |
| 22:36.45 | Diopter | n0yd: network teardown should come very late |
| 22:36.52 | Diopter | n0yd: Wicd seems dumb for making itself 01 |
| 22:36.59 | n0yd | ya |
| 22:37.08 | n0yd | well networkmanager did the same thing |
| 22:37.20 | Diopter | I feel even stronger hate for NM :P |
| 22:37.27 | Diopter | I use wicd, but it's pretty warty |
| 22:37.34 | Diopter | Probably going to go back to guessnet/wpa-roam |
| 22:38.10 | n0yd | i was using ceni |
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| 22:38.18 | n0yd | but wanted an systray applet |
| 22:38.30 | n0yd | ceni is great though, but this bug happened with ceni also |
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| 22:39.05 | n0yd | Diopter: K07umountfs should be whats unmounting the cifs share from fstab right? |
| 22:39.17 | Diopter | n0yd: Probably. Grep that mother |
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| 22:39.35 | n0yd | ill use less, lol |
| 22:39.40 | n0yd | im not sure what to grep for |
| 22:39.56 | n0yd | or if it changes depending on what is in fstab (doubtful) |
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| 22:41.01 | n0yd | hmm |
| 22:41.10 | n0yd | looks like it just does swap and local fs |
| 22:41.21 | n0yd | but i dont see a script that would deal with cifs |
| 22:41.28 | n0yd | but i made wicd really high |
| 22:41.34 | n0yd | so lets see what happens |
| 22:41.35 | n0yd | brb |
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| 22:48.06 | n0yd | jelly-home: wtf :( |
| 22:48.11 | n0yd | It didnt help |
| 22:48.18 | n0yd | and i made the scripts really high |
| 22:48.26 | n0yd | on 0 and 6 |
| 22:48.38 | Diopter | Hrm |
| 22:48.54 | jelly-home | n0yd: you also need to kill all the processes keeping'em open first |
| 22:49.24 | jelly-home | this complicates the dependencies and ordering |
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| 22:49.38 | n0yd | whatcha mean? |
| 22:49.45 | jelly-home | also were we not over on oftc |
| 22:49.51 | n0yd | we were |
| 22:49.58 | n0yd | on debian-next |
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| 22:50.11 | n0yd | but i dont have oftc on autoconnect in irssi |
| 22:50.15 | n0yd | i keep forgetting |
| 22:50.18 | jelly-home | did you suddenly SQUEEZE? |
| 22:50.27 | n0yd | me? no lol |
| 22:50.32 | jelly-home | oh well |
| 22:50.34 | n0yd | screw squeeze |
| 22:50.39 | n0yd | too old |
| 22:50.43 | jelly-home | !sns |
| 22:50.43 | dpkg | Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>. |
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| 22:50.56 | Diopter | <3's me some moving targets |
| 22:50.57 | n0yd | jelly-home: it doesnt effect me |
| 22:51.07 | n0yd | it happens on squeeze |
| 22:51.16 | jelly-home | no, but it does affect you |
| 22:51.31 | n0yd | right, regardless of distro |
| 22:51.48 | jelly-home | that part's a bit weird |
| 22:51.52 | n0yd | it happens on fedora also, according to other reports |
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| 22:52.17 | jelly-home | did you try any non-debian-derived distro? |
| 22:52.23 | n0yd | yes |
| 22:52.25 | n0yd | arch |
| 22:52.36 | jelly-home | they're all buggy, the lot! |
| 22:52.50 | n0yd | and the same thing happens on fedora, which is not debian obviously |
| 22:52.50 | Diopter | Hrm |
| 22:53.02 | Diopter | When I used Wicd on Arch, I thought it shutdown last, before network filesystems... |
| 22:53.10 | n0yd | i guess i could make a script to umount |
| 22:53.13 | wims | arch <3 |
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| 22:53.19 | n0yd | Diopter: wifi? |
| 22:53.24 | n0yd | it ONLY happens on wifi |
| 22:53.32 | n0yd | not normal networking |
| 22:53.37 | Diopter | Hrm. That would indicate that it's an issue of something killing wpa_supplicant |
| 22:53.43 | Diopter | You should grep the scripts for wpa |
| 22:53.51 | n0yd | im not swuashing the bug |
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| 22:53.56 | n0yd | ill let someone else do it |
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| 22:53.59 | n0yd | im too lazy |
| 22:54.01 | Diopter | hah |
| 22:54.07 | n0yd | and ive been fighting it for a week |
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| 22:54.11 | n0yd | fuck this shit |
| 22:54.19 | moebius | n0yd, what shit? :) |
| 22:54.31 | n0yd | if anything, i will make a script to umount cifs on runlevels |
| 22:54.38 | n0yd | moebius: shit = bug |
| 22:54.52 | themill | n0yd: does this happen when you log out from your X session as well? |
| 22:55.01 | n0yd | no |
| 22:55.09 | n0yd | why would it |
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| 22:55.18 | n0yd | its mounted via fstab |
| 22:55.23 | themill | Have you actually tested this or are you saying that? |
| 22:55.27 | n0yd | and wicd isnt X dependent |
| 22:55.32 | n0yd | themill: i have |
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| 22:55.38 | wims | wicd is a daemon |
| 22:55.40 | n0yd | i am in cli A LOT |
| 22:55.43 | n0yd | wims: exactly |
| 22:55.45 | max_sharpe | cli |
| 22:55.48 | n0yd | it doesnt depend on X |
| 22:55.54 | max_sharpe | Is xless. |
| 22:56.02 | n0yd | wicd-curses |
| 22:56.05 | n0yd | ftw |
| 22:56.06 | jelly-home | !tell n0yd about enter |
| 22:56.09 | jelly-home | AGAIN |
| 22:56.22 | n0yd | jelly-home: ive said it a million times, its a habbit |
| 22:56.23 | themill | n0yd: nor does nm, but if you log out, the loss of the front-end will stop connections unless you have marked them as system-wide connections. |
| 22:56.32 | jelly-home | n0yd: get rid of it. |
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| 22:56.41 | n0yd | im trying to break it, calm down, and btw i blocked pms from that fucking bot |
| 22:56.53 | n0yd | that shit is annoying as all hell |
| 22:56.59 | themill | so are you |
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| 22:57.15 | themill | (getting rid of the attitude will make it more likely you get help rather than get plonked) |
| 22:57.32 | n0yd | jelly-home: one habbit at a time, first it was the heroin, now im working smoking, etc |
| 22:57.37 | n0yd | themill: thats great |
| 22:57.49 | Diopter | themill: While that's a good point, wicd doesn't work that way. |
| 22:57.57 | n0yd | i really dont care, im not recieving help |
| 22:58.03 | themill | Diopter: fair enough. I've never touched it. |
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| 23:01.16 | FDFlock | hello again |
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| 23:01.42 | FDFlock | at last /home mounted read-only! |
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| 23:02.11 | Diopter | Exciting |
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| 23:03.46 | FDFlock | so, any ideas regarding how to recover deleted files from an ext4 partition? (actually, LVM volume, but this changes nothing hopefully) |
| 23:04.17 | FDFlock | is proud that he managed to save his irc client's settings |
| 23:04.32 | Diopter | FDFlock: testdisk |
| 23:04.35 | tremon | FDFlock: I'm currently trying something with ghex and autopsy... |
| 23:04.40 | FDFlock | actually remembered that irssi has the /save command |
| 23:04.43 | Diopter | testdisk is the win |
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| 23:06.14 | Diopter | FDFlock: http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/TestDisk_Step_By_Step |
| 23:06.18 | FDFlock | taking a dd image of a read-only partition is exactly the same as taking the image of an unmounted one, right? |
| 23:06.21 | FDFlock | common logic says that there shouldn't be a difference |
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| 23:06.44 | FDFlock | Diopter: thanks! |
| 23:07.03 | crazygir | has anyone run into issues with iceweasel on debian squeeze not supporting google yt videos? |
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| 23:07.31 | tremon | crazygir: I've given up on yt years ago, I use only youtube-dl |
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| 23:07.49 | FDFlock | crazygir: youtube works fine here (...if you consider Flah cr@p to be fine, which I don't) |
| 23:07.52 | crazygir | tremon: how do you do it without being a pita? |
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| 23:08.14 | boudiccas | crazygir; what do you mean by 'issues'? |
| 23:08.16 | FDFlock | /s/Flah/Flash/ |
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| 23:08.45 | cardamon | How do I get gdm not to run? |
| 23:09.00 | tremon | crazygir: what's "it" (2x)? |
| 23:09.08 | crazygir | FDFlock: I suddenly (about 2 weeks ago) started hitting more and more videos that gave a message "your browser does not currently recognize any of the video formats available." then it gives a link to an HTML5 faq |
| 23:09.17 | boudiccas | cardamon; dont boot your computer! :) |
| 23:09.21 | crazygir | boudiccas: ^^ |
| 23:09.26 | tremon | cardamon: update-rc.d gdm remove |
| 23:09.46 | tremon | cardamon: or update-rc.d gdm disable |
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| 23:10.14 | crazygir | tremon: do you have a process that streamlines browsing/searching yt & downloading / viewing videos? |
| 23:10.22 | boudiccas | crazygir; does the same issue arise if you use, eg opera? |
| 23:10.45 | FDFlock | crazygir: Oh, I haven't tried the HTML5 versions, I'm running an embarrassingly old version of Firefox [Icewhatever] here... |
| 23:10.48 | jelly-home | good heavens, why opera of all things |
| 23:10.49 | FDFlock | debian stable |
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| 23:11.01 | crazygir | I'm on v10.0.1 |
| 23:11.08 | crazygir | yea, on squeeze |
| 23:11.33 | boudiccas | jelly-home; the first alternate browser i thought of |
| 23:11.35 | brylie | I am trying to compile a hardware driver and get the following error: "/lib/modules/2.6.32-5-amd64/build/: No such file or directory. Stop." |
| 23:11.36 | tremon | crazygir: more or less, whenever I come across a yt link I drop the link into a terminal and use mplay-fs. But it's not part of any normal workflow. It's only during "breaks", which helps me to focus on more important tasks (like, everything else) |
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| 23:11.51 | brylie | I have manually created the directory but the make still fails. |
| 23:11.56 | brylie | What else can I try? |
| 23:12.06 | crazygir | boudiccas: boudiccas I guess it might be a library issue |
| 23:12.08 | FDFlock | Diopter: Is testdisk for NTFS? |
| 23:12.18 | crazygir | but actually, the test I did was not the best |
| 23:12.18 | FDFlock | Diopter: ext4 here! |
| 23:12.22 | crazygir | I used midori |
| 23:12.23 | jelly-home | boudiccas: its support of HTML5 video is a bit weird |
| 23:12.27 | Diopter | FDFlock: It works on all kinds of FS's |
| 23:12.50 | crazygir | tremon: gotcha |
| 23:12.51 | Diopter | FDFlock: http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/TestDisk |
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| 23:12.59 | FDFlock | Diopter: So, it is supposed to just scan blindly for files... I see |
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| 23:13.07 | crazygir | I have been using yt for research, which isn't so easy through yt-dl |
| 23:13.29 | FDFlock | Wouldn't an ext4-specific tool be better for recoverin g? |
| 23:13.35 | crazygir | tremon: what is mplay-fs? |
| 23:13.37 | tremon | crazygir: ehm, thinko, in case it wasn't obvious: mplay-fs is an alias for mplayer |
| 23:13.41 | tremon | :) |
| 23:13.51 | crazygir | thanks |
| 23:14.02 | crazygir | I didn't realize mplayer can do yt directly? |
| 23:14.04 | Diopter | FDFlock: It looks for filesystem metadata and then attempts to find files indicated there |
| 23:14.24 | FDFlock | Diopter: So it's not FS-agnostic, right? |
| 23:14.50 | FDFlock | Diopter: anyway I'll definitely give it a try, thank you |
| 23:15.16 | FDFlock | But I'll try first with an ext4 tool ,if there is such a thing |
| 23:15.27 | Diopter | FDFlock: It *is* an ext4 tool |
| 23:15.30 | Diopter | And an NTFS tool |
| 23:15.32 | Diopter | And a UFS tool... etc |
| 23:15.39 | Diopter | It's one of if not the best that exists :P |
| 23:15.54 | FDFlock | ok-ok, I get it :P |
| 23:16.12 | FDFlock | any special "gotchas" for LVM? |
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| 23:17.15 | tremon | FDFlock: not really, but you should point testdisk at the logical volume device, not the pv (obviously) |
| 23:17.56 | FDFlock | tremon: OK. I'll prefer to work on an image if possible |
| 23:18.10 | FDFlock | So, to repeat a previous (unanswered) question: taking a dd image of a read-only partition is exactly the same as taking the image of an unmounted one, right? |
| 23:18.19 | Diopter | FDFlock: Well, yes'ish |
| 23:18.21 | tremon | it should be |
| 23:18.29 | FDFlock | that's what I thought |
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| 23:18.47 | FDFlock | is taking a dd image of the logical volume |
| 23:19.03 | Diopter | Yes |
| 23:19.16 | tremon | anyone has any experiences with binary diff tools (preferably visual)? |
| 23:19.29 | Diopter | tremon: parallel hexdump! |
| 23:19.48 | FDFlock | tremon: good question, I've wondered myself |
| 23:19.50 | tremon | I'm going to diff two filesystem images, wondering which one copes best with large files (as in, 10G size) |
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| 23:20.41 | tremon | in case anyone asks, no, I've not been admitted yet |
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| 23:22.27 | Diopter | haha |
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| 23:33.26 | crazygir | tremon: HAH! |
| 23:33.34 | crazygir | hilarious ;0 |
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| 23:35.08 | FDFlock | heh, the way it goes I'll be admitted sooner than you! |
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| 23:35.24 | seeker61 | i am using dpkg -reconfigure gdm3 in squeeze and it does nothing\ |
| 23:35.37 | FDFlock | question: With dd, is "conv=sync,noerror" really a good idea, as commonly suggested? |
| 23:35.55 | FDFlock | for taking a partition image, i mean |
| 23:35.56 | Diopter | tremon: Looks like "hexcompare" might be a good one. |
| 23:36.05 | FDFlock | I'm also using bs=8M |
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| 23:36.38 | Diopter | FDFlock: Well, sync is just going to bypass caching, and noerror will continue past errors |
| 23:36.41 | tremon | FDFlock: it's a no-op when there are no read errors. If you use sync with a large blocksize, your output will be padded |
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| 23:37.28 | FDFlock | Diopter: No, that's not correct i think. |
| 23:37.34 | tremon | Diopter: sync does not refer to the sync syscall |
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| 23:38.12 | Diopter | tremon: Oh, you're right. I'm probably thinking of direct |
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| 23:38.59 | tremon | Diopter: you're probably thinking of flags=sync, not conv=sync :) |
| 23:39.00 | FDFlock | Diopter: of course, dd also supports oflag=sync (and fsync etc) for the output file, which is the syscall |
| 23:39.09 | FDFlock | tremon: :) |
| 23:39.23 | Diopter | mm |
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| 23:40.53 | FDFlock | acually there's conv=sync, conv=fsync and [o]flag=sync... I wonder what's the difference between the latter two! |
| 23:41.03 | FDFlock | s/acually/actually/ |
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| 23:42.06 | Diopter | FDFlock: conv=sync is padding, conv=fdatasync is "physically write before finishing", and conv=fsync says it's the same, but also for metadata |
| 23:42.49 | FDFlock | Diopter: but what's the difference between conv=f[data]sync and flag=sync? |
| 23:42.55 | FDFlock | They sound the same! |
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| 23:43.27 | tremon | flags=[d]sync uses synchronous I/O (uses O_SYNC when opening the file), conv=fsync performs a sync syscall at the end |
| 23:43.48 | FDFlock | tremon: oh, I see! |
| 23:43.49 | Diopter | And ostensibly flags=direct would use O_DIRECT |
| 23:44.13 | FDFlock | tremon: One would wonder why conv=fsync is not the default then |
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| 23:45.27 | Diopter | tremon: "dhex" seems to be kind of awesome, and has a diff mode. |
| 23:45.31 | Diopter | ncurses based |
| 23:45.33 | FDFlock | decided to use the line dd bs=8M iflag=direct if=/dev/mapper/volumegroup0-home of=/mnt/blah-blah |
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| 23:46.05 | tremon | Diopter: thx for the pointers |
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| 23:47.54 | Diopter | FDFlock: By using O_SYNC or O_DIRECt you might be incurring longer transfer times if the underlying hardware/FSs are making use of NCQ or similar write-reordering that relies on caching |
| 23:48.02 | Diopter | Just sayin' |
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| 23:48.43 | Diopter | In general, caching is good. Unless you're using XFS on a hardware RAID controller and need to carefully adjust what's writeback and what's writethrough ;P |
| 23:48.53 | Diopter | battery backed cache ftw |
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| 23:50.18 | FDFlock | battery backed cache ftw --> I wish I could afford that! |
| 23:50.42 | FDFlock | BTW, XFS is awesome, especially for a 1994 (?) filesystem |
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| 23:50.49 | Diopter | hehe |
| 23:50.55 | Diopter | It's pretty much in constant development |
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| 23:50.59 | FDFlock | I used to have laaaaaaaarge XFS partition |
| 23:51.32 | seeker60 | I need help with dpkg -reconfigure gdm3 |
| 23:51.35 | FDFlock | Diopter: yeap, but the fact that it had 64bit internal structures from the start is awesme by itself |
| 23:51.46 | FDFlock | *awesome |
| 23:52.31 | tremon | seeker60: there's little to reconfigure, why do you think you need it? |
| 23:53.17 | FDFlock | Diopter: Isn't O_DIRECT only fr the OS cache? Doesn't the disk controller use it's own cache for NCQ? |
| 23:53.19 | seeker60 | tremon: thanks for responding when i boot my screen blanks out shows splash screen and does that at least two times then the resolution is not correct |
| 23:53.26 | FDFlock | just curious! |
| 23:53.40 | Diopter | FDFlock: Depends. Not sure that's always the case. Especially if you're using LVM |
| 23:53.58 | seeker60 | tremon: my bottom menu bar is chopped in half and i have additional space on top menu bar |
| 23:54.22 | FDFlock | Oh yes, LVM makes things a bit compliated sometimes (I'm thinking ATA TRIM here!) |
| 23:54.34 | FDFlock | s/compliated/complicated/ |
| 23:54.42 | Diopter | FDFlock: Yep. Though TRIM got supported on LVM mid last year or so |
| 23:54.46 | Diopter | Finally :P |
| 23:54.48 | tremon | seeker60: that's an X configuration issue or driver problem. Is the screen usable enough to log in? |
| 23:54.51 | Diopter | SSDs ftw |
| 23:55.03 | FDFlock | I didn't know, great news! :P |
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| 23:55.41 | seeker60 | tremon: yes just bothersome when i change my resolution to 800X600 and then go back to original resolution it is fine |
| 23:55.43 | FDFlock | let's hoe that the next Debian stable will have full support |
| 23:55.54 | FDFlock | s/hoe/hope/ |
| 23:55.57 | AlexAnteMachina | hi all! |
| 23:56.03 | FDFlock | Damn, sorry for the tpos! |
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| 23:56.08 | FDFlock | hello |
| 23:56.39 | tremon | seeker60: that's odd. Is the resolution correct the first time, just corrupted, or is it using a weird mode? |
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| 23:58.36 | AlexAnteMachina | I'm running debian wheezy on my netbook. Now I installed flashplugin-nonfree for watching videos etc. But for some reason every time I try using it it only shows a black space with a blue lego-like brick in the middle. |
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| 23:58.39 | cardamon | I want to run some things when gdm3 launches my WM. What file do I mess with? |
| 23:58.53 | cardamon | Please. |
| 23:59.07 | jelly-home | AlexAnteMachina: did you quit and restart the browser? |
| 23:59.18 | cracka | so if I set my sources to be wheezy, once wheezy is finally stabalized ill be running the new distro. at that point couldnt I set my sources to target the next testing branch of debian? |
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| 23:59.38 | Diopter | cracka: Yes. Or you can just target 'testing' |
| 23:59.40 | cardamon | cracka: You can do that now. |
| 23:59.44 | jelly-home | cracka: you could if you wanted to. |
| 23:59.44 | tremon | cardamon: depends. It's either some <WM>.desktop file or your own ~/.xsessionrc |
| 23:59.52 | cardamon | cracka: by doing what Diopter said. |
| 23:59.57 | AlexAnteMachina | jelly-home, of course. i even rebooted the computer. |