| 00:00.08 | DrNoboto | simonlnu: ^^ |
| 00:00.17 | leoleo | where under the driver and how do I install :) |
| 00:00.32 | cardamon | acu: It's mixed mode university network. They've got open access points with a web portal for auth, or a PEAP-GTC one. |
| 00:00.57 | acu | leoleo: first you have to know what network card you have - as root or su - type - lscpi and see exact |
| 00:01.13 | simonlnu | DrNoboto: where multiple libraries can live on one install, instead of having chroots or different machines, for example. e.g. amd64 and i386 on one. |
| 00:01.22 | DrNoboto | ah |
| 00:01.25 | acu | then you should know if it is non-free - there are some howto for debian for wifi |
| 00:01.49 | leoleo | amd64 |
| 00:02.00 | kallisti | [ 17.749133] ACPI: resource 0000:00:1f.3 [io 0x1840-0x185f] conflicts with ACPI region SMBI [io 0x1840-0x184f] |
| 00:02.01 | DrNoboto | i gotta go |
| 00:02.03 | kallisti | [ 17.749139] ACPI: If an ACPI driver is available for this device, you should use it instead of the native driver |
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| 00:02.06 | DrNoboto | i think you're on the right track though |
| 00:02.09 | kallisti | I'm wondering if you guys could help me with this dmesg? |
| 00:02.10 | DrNoboto | will resume this in the morning |
| 00:02.11 | DrNoboto | thanks |
| 00:02.11 | rocketmagnet | hi all |
| 00:03.02 | leoleo | I do not recognize the network and now I have wifi |
| 00:03.15 | acu | leoleo http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi |
| 00:03.17 | rocketmagnet | i've a problem here - my question: i've added an application to my top pannel and it worked for a while but now i get the error that i've not the permission to start the application - when i run the app from a console with the same user it does work |
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| 00:04.23 | [JJ]Albert | clear |
| 00:04.37 | leoleo | please i need speak spanish |
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| 00:04.47 | nkuttler | !es |
| 00:04.48 | dpkg | Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat. |
| 00:05.02 | [JJ]Albert | Good reason to start learning spanish. |
| 00:05.16 | leoleo | en el canal nadie responde ni siquiera saludan |
| 00:05.21 | abrotman | rocketmagnet: did you try removing/adding it again ? |
| 00:05.40 | nkuttler | leoleo: patience. english please in here |
| 00:05.53 | leoleo | ook i understand |
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| 00:06.35 | acu | leoleo: people do not salute here and so it will be in the spanish one - just place your question - you might find more people there a bit earlier (when European Spaniards are awake) :) |
| 00:06.42 | rocketmagnet | abrotman: no, i thought about it but saw no reason for it - i thought more it has something to do with groups/users |
| 00:07.21 | rocketmagnet | abrotman: do i need to be in a certain group to have access to gdm3 display ? |
| 00:07.26 | cardamon | The output of wicd.log is something like: Connecting to wireless network CatChat; Putting interface down; Realeasing DHCP leases; Setting false IP; Stopping wpa_supplicant; Flushing the routing table; Putting interface up; Running DHCP with hostname sleipnir; (THEN, 20 seconds later) err, wlan0: timed out; DHCP connection failed; exiting connection thread; SEnding connection attempt result dhcp_failed |
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| 00:08.32 | rocketmagnet | abrotman: it did work !! ... do you see any reason for this strange behavious ? |
| 00:08.54 | cardamon | I've spent three hours trying to get the to work. Reading up on interfaces trying to do it the manual way. Got lost. Didn't solve anything. Maybe made it worse. |
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| 00:09.24 | nkuttler | cardamon: wired? wireless? pastebin ifconfig -a etc |
| 00:09.51 | cardamon | nkuttler: Nope. Shelled in through a library machine to my home server. |
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| 00:10.43 | nkuttler | cardamon: the *what* are you trying to get to work anyway? |
| 00:10.55 | cardamon | nkuttler: ifconfig -a lists wlan0 though, so it's there. iwconfig too. |
| 00:11.14 | nkuttler | cardamon: so you want to connect to a wireless network? |
| 00:11.19 | cardamon | Yes. |
| 00:11.39 | cardamon | iwlist and wicd can both scan with the interface. |
| 00:11.45 | cardamon | I can attempt to connect. |
| 00:11.52 | cardamon | But I can only attempt. |
| 00:11.55 | nkuttler | cardamon: easiest is probably to install network-manager{-gnome} and configure everything as the library tells you to |
| 00:11.56 | [JJ]Albert | You using a usb wireless card, or pci-e? |
| 00:12.04 | [JJ]Albert | or whatever laptops have. |
| 00:12.21 | cardamon | I don't have gnome. or network manager. wicd-ncurses |
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| 00:12.46 | [JJ]Albert | Ah. All I know is that setting up wireless on some distributions is a real pain. |
| 00:12.49 | cardamon | It has no problem connecting to my network at home. |
| 00:13.14 | [JJ]Albert | Debian-based ones are a pain too, which is only because they opt to use their own repos. |
| 00:13.17 | cardamon | I think it might have something to do with the way the school assigns dhcp address...or maybe does not. |
| 00:13.22 | [JJ]Albert | yeh |
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| 00:16.05 | rocketmagnet | abrotman: do you know how to find out if an app is 32 or 64 bit ? |
| 00:16.29 | rocketmagnet | for example - can i use a 64bit flashplayer plugin with a 32 bit firefox ? |
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| 00:19.08 | abrotman | rocketmagnet: file |
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| 00:21.47 | rocketmagnet | abrotman: and can i use the 64bit flashplayer with 32bit firefox ? |
| 00:22.02 | rocketmagnet | i think no or ? |
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| 00:22.33 | abrotman | uh no |
| 00:23.06 | rocketmagnet | i think the best would be to compile firefox myself with 64bit and my cpu optimization flags so the thing does work like it should... |
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| 00:23.56 | rocketmagnet | i've troubles to get my firefox recognize my libflashplayer.so file (i put it where the other plugins are located for firefox) |
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| 00:25.54 | abrotman | rocketmagnet: is your OS 64 or 32bit ? |
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| 00:29.14 | rocketmagnet | abrotman: 64bit |
| 00:29.16 | Arrowmaster | would be better off with a 32bit flashplayer than 64bit |
| 00:29.22 | rocketmagnet | thanks for your support |
| 00:29.49 | rocketmagnet | i've remove my 32bit firefox and removed iceweasel completely from my system |
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| 00:30.16 | rocketmagnet | now i compile a 64 bit firefox so i can use the 64 bit flash plugin |
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| 00:30.34 | rocketmagnet | do you know where opera expect plugins ? |
| 00:30.41 | kallisti | rocketmagnet: the 64bit flashplayer has some issues. I'm running 32bit firefox with 32bit flashplayer. works fine. |
| 00:31.43 | Arrowmaster | some issues? more like lots of issues |
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| 00:32.00 | kevlarman | rocketmagnet: it looks in the same place firefox does |
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| 00:32.32 | rocketmagnet | kevlarman: ty |
| 00:32.48 | kevlarman | rocketmagnet: and there's a setting in opera:config |
| 00:32.51 | rocketmagnet | but that also depends on 32 or 64 bit or ? |
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| 00:33.09 | rocketmagnet | kevlarman: i can't find the setting, in which tab do i find it ? |
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| 00:33.34 | skyjumper | anyone know the status of aptitude's multiarch support? |
| 00:33.50 | rocketmagnet | found it, kevlarman |
| 00:33.53 | rocketmagnet | ty |
| 00:34.05 | Mephisto | kevlarman, remember you told me that games didn't run from NTFS partition because Wine doesn't understand it? Well, it's bullshit. Cause i got it working. |
| 00:34.07 | abrotman | skyjumper: you mean dpkg ? |
| 00:34.13 | Mephisto | kevlarman, that depends on fstab settings. |
| 00:34.18 | kevlarman | Mephisto: no i didn't |
| 00:34.32 | kevlarman | Mephisto: i said it's completely unsupported because wine expects a *nix filesystem |
| 00:34.37 | skyjumper | abrotman: i mean aptitudd |
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| 00:34.39 | skyjumper | aptitude |
| 00:34.41 | kevlarman | it may or may not work for any given program |
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| 00:34.58 | Mephisto | kevlarman, again, nonense. It doesn't really care. It now reads ALL of it from the same ntfs partition, all games work. |
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| 00:35.08 | abrotman | skyjumper: which depends on ... ? |
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| 00:36.00 | skyjumper | abrotman: i was under the impression that aptitude was the problem? |
| 00:36.05 | kevlarman | Mephisto: that is some impressive hard drive space if you've managed to test all games |
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| 00:36.59 | abrotman | !tell skyjumper about multiarch |
| 00:37.07 | Mephisto | kevlarman, all of those that didn't work now DO work. And i don't have to test all games, i just know that now they all will work if not some other probs. |
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| 00:37.48 | Mephisto | kevlarman, they act the same as if they were run from native linux partition, so is there really any point in testing ALL games?.. |
| 00:38.08 | Arrowmaster | what exactly did you change? |
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| 00:42.45 | Mephisto | can anyone tell me what exactly do VirtualBox and video driver need from kernel source folder when kernel is manually compiled? |
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| 00:42.58 | Mephisto | i really don't feel like keeping 5gb of that stuff on my hard drive. |
| 00:43.04 | Mephisto | is it only .config file or something else? |
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| 00:51.52 | rocketmagnet | abrotman: do you know a linux tool that checks the most important system files for changes ? so i can check if someone has done something with them that i don't want ? |
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| 00:52.39 | somiaj | debchksum or something like that |
| 00:56.00 | somiaj | can't seem to find it, but there is a method to run a checksum on every binary inside a debian package |
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| 00:57.11 | somiaj | !debsums |
| 00:57.12 | dpkg | debsums is, like, a utility that will check a package's files against their checksums. The "-a" argument will instruct it to also check configuration files: "aptitude install debsums; debsums -a -s". Most packages come with md5sums included in the package; if apt's package cache is clean, then generate missing sums with "aptitude reinstall `debsums -l`". |
| 00:57.20 | abrotman | rocketmagnet: tripwire is one .. debsums does packaged files |
| 00:57.21 | somiaj | rocketmagnet: there it is ^^ |
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| 00:59.04 | rocketmagnet | abrotman: does it know about the right files i've to check ? |
| 00:59.27 | Raymond1965 | hallo there |
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| 01:00.14 | Raymond1965 | im from german just in time |
| 01:01.12 | Raymond1965 | its 2 o clock in the night |
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| 01:02.05 | Raymond1965 | i take my neu chat prog online |
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| 01:02.55 | abrotman | Raymond1965: do you have a Debian questoin ? |
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| 01:05.10 | rocketmagnet | abrotman: thx alot |
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| 01:10.36 | ZitZ | hello, i am getting an error having to do with not being able to perform XSLT transformation with PHP5, I don't know what this means, but where do I go to be sure that the XSLT extension is enabled in debian, or if the debian php5 is even compiled with XSLT support? |
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| 01:14.55 | ZitZ | uggh, don't ask my why I didn't find php5-xsl package sooner. Fail. |
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| 01:16.35 | gnarface | ZitZ: i know, it hurts when your problem is merely that you wasted a ton of time expecting debian to suck like redhat |
| 01:17.25 | ZitZ | lol, seriously, that does happen sometimes, i think i typed php5-xslt intead of php5-xsl. |
| 01:18.15 | gnarface | ZitZ: are you familiar with regex? you can pass a pattern like this: apt-cache search ^php5 |
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| 01:19.03 | gnarface | lots of php5 toys will come up if you do that |
| 01:19.56 | ZitZ | gnarface, no, i'm familiar with it, but I don't know how to use it, I guess it's on my todo list, lol |
| 01:20.08 | ZitZ | what's wrong with apt-cache search php5* |
| 01:20.56 | gnarface | ZitZ: that's glob syntax, not regex |
| 01:21.01 | ZitZ | ... just answered my own question, it brings up any package that mentions php |
| 01:21.10 | gnarface | right |
| 01:21.45 | gnarface | it would actually bring up anything that mentions php, php5, php55, php55555 or php555555555555... out to infinity |
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| 01:23.15 | gnarface | in regex syntax you can just think of the * you are familiar with as being implied. the ^ just anchors it to the front of the line so you wouldn't pick up something hypothetically called aphp or whatever |
| 01:24.14 | gnarface | actually in regex syntax the equivalent thing to the * you're familar with in filename globbing is .* |
| 01:24.35 | gnarface | (which, compared to what it would do passed to ls is utterly backwards and confusing) |
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| 01:24.56 | FDFlock | "that's glob syntax, not regex" --> Hey, what's the difference? I don't know what exactly you mean by "glob", but regular expressions come in man flavors ;) |
| 01:25.09 | FDFlock | s/man/many/ |
| 01:25.15 | Tasmania_Irrsi | How many licks does it take to get to the center of a tootsie pop? |
| 01:25.31 | epsas | Tasmani - Mr Owl says ONE |
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| 01:26.03 | gnarface | FDFlock: you're right and i don't know what bash shell wildcards are even properly called, i've just seen them called globs elsewhere. apt-get i believe uses the same regex syntax as grep (which is not PCRE) |
| 01:26.05 | FDFlock | irrsi? Don't you mean irssi :P |
| 01:26.07 | FDFlock | really likes irssi |
| 01:26.42 | Tasmania_Irssi | * loves Irssi |
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| 01:26.52 | Tasmania_Irssi | How can you copy and paste with this shit? |
| 01:27.22 | gnarface | gpm ? |
| 01:27.31 | simonlnu | !gpm |
| 01:27.31 | dpkg | gpm (General Purpose Mouse) is a package for use of the mouse in a Linux (text-only) console. Install it, then use left button to select text, middle or right button to paste. In some applications (such as elinks), you have to hold down Shift in order to cut or paste, otherwise the application itself interprets the mouse clicks. http://www.nico.schottelius.org/software/gpm/ #gpm on irc.freenode.org. |
| 01:27.53 | Tasmania_Irssi | I have windows lol. |
| 01:27.53 | gnarface | Tasmania_Irssi: you meant "without X" right? |
| 01:27.56 | gnarface | oh |
| 01:27.57 | gnarface | haha |
| 01:28.03 | FDFlock | Tasmania_Irssi: highlight to copy, middle-click to paste... that's actually a terminal emulator (and X/DE) function, not a funxtion of irssi |
| 01:28.07 | Tasmania_Irssi | I HATE WINDOWS. |
| 01:28.21 | Tasmania_Irssi | [#debian] |
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| 01:28.36 | FDFlock | Tasmania_Irssi: Oh I see... then you can use a decent termimnal emulator? ;) |
| 01:28.40 | FDFlock | *terminal |
| 01:28.52 | Tasmania_Irssi | hmm. |
| 01:28.59 | Tasmania_Irssi | Could it work as an IRC client? |
| 01:29.00 | FDFlock | Tasmania_Irssi: PuTTY actually does work like this |
| 01:29.07 | Tasmania_Irssi | I have putty. |
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| 01:29.15 | Tasmania_Irssi | I downloaded it yesterday though. |
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| 01:29.55 | FDFlock | PuTTY is great, especially when well-configured (by default it isn't!) However, it's for connecting to an SSH machine, usually Unix |
| 01:30.09 | Tasmania_Irssi | I don't have a shell on my own though. |
| 01:30.15 | FDFlock | You can run a local SSH server on Windows, but that's crazy |
| 01:30.22 | gnarface | yea, putty is your best bet on windows, but last i heard its out-of-the-box configuration is broken for Unicode |
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| 01:30.56 | Tasmania_Irssi | Not too many around my neighborhood know about this stuff, at least I think. |
| 01:31.02 | Tasmania_Irssi | I think I can run local. |
| 01:31.07 | Tasmania_Irssi | Let me open putty. |
| 01:31.09 | FDFlock | gnarface: unicode works fine for me, but I'm using a HEAVILY customized version for years |
| 01:31.16 | civillian | Tasmania_Irssi: we are everywhere and nowhere |
| 01:31.24 | FDFlock | Tasmania_Irssi: you can set up Linux in a VM! |
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| 01:31.38 | gnarface | FDFlock: i think it was fairly simple like just a non-unicode-friendly default font or something |
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| 01:33.01 | altoid79 | hi |
| 01:33.04 | FDFlock | gnarface: yeah, my config also does other things, like having custom color palette, opening SSH tunnels, defining some escape sequences for better compatibility with Linux etc. |
| 01:33.21 | altoid79 | can someone help me out with dual booting win 7 and ubuntu? |
| 01:33.38 | FDFlock | altoid79: this is the Debian support channel |
| 01:33.50 | FDFlock | altoid79: But it's very easy |
| 01:34.16 | FDFlock | altoid79: You won't have problems, as long as you install Linux AFTER Windows |
| 01:34.56 | FDFlock | altoid79: I recomment the "alternate" install CD for Ubuntu, which also looks very much like the Debian installer |
| 01:35.05 | altoid79 | i know FDFlock, i was in linux help and the only guy talking to me there sent me here and to #linux, but i couldn't send any messages in #linux for some reason |
| 01:35.07 | FDFlock | ...well, it IS the Debian installer |
| 01:35.30 | Hydroxide | altoid79: you should be asking in #ubuntu, not #linux or here |
| 01:35.40 | altoid79 | i'm using 2 separate HDDs |
| 01:35.43 | altoid79 | okay cool |
| 01:35.53 | altoid79 | thanks guys |
| 01:35.58 | FDFlock | altoid79: I don't want to sound harsh or rude, it's just that the guys on #ubuntu will be able to help you more than us |
| 01:36.02 | Hydroxide | good luck! |
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| 01:36.05 | FDFlock | good luck |
| 01:36.06 | somiaj | altoid79: it is ##linux, this is not the place for ubuntu questions |
| 01:36.09 | altoid79 | oh no, i completely understand |
| 01:36.16 | altoid79 | gotcha |
| 01:36.33 | altoid79 | thanks for pointing me in the right direction |
| 01:36.43 | Hydroxide | altoid79: it's possible also that ##linux only allows people to speak if they have registered their nick with NickServ. occasionally we have to set that mode here when spammers are flooding the channel |
| 01:36.59 | Hydroxide | but, yes, #ubuntu is best. good luck! |
| 01:37.12 | altoid79 | okay cool than, thanks again |
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| 01:38.59 | FDFlock | is AFK again |
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| 01:41.54 | langkid1 | hi oldtopman o/ |
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| 01:46.23 | Sarakun | Hi, |
| 01:46.40 | langkid1 | hi |
| 01:46.56 | iguana007 | Hi everyone ... I can see in my access log in apache, that something is calling one of my php scripts every milisecond and I cannot figure out, where it is set ... I tried crontab -l under root, www-data and my default user and nowhere is definition set, any ideas where to look pls? |
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| 01:48.06 | gnarface | iguana007: cron doesn't go below 1-minute resolution so the only thing i can tell you for sure is you're wasting your time looking there |
| 01:48.29 | iguana007 | gnarface: and do u have any idea, what it could cause? |
| 01:49.05 | iguana007 | gnarface: or how could I find out? |
| 01:49.39 | thewanderer1 | iguana007, look around - do you see anybody pressing F5 with a wild smile on their face? if so, grab a thick manual, bash on head and repeat till server load drops |
| 01:49.46 | gnarface | iguana007: i've got so many ideas that it would actually probably be harmful to you if i told you all of them. your log should give you SOME info. --- fuser may also help |
| 01:50.14 | thewanderer1 | but really, the first thing would be figuring out the IP address of the client... |
| 01:50.34 | gnarface | iguana007: if i had to bet it would be bad javascript |
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| 01:51.15 | iguana007 | gnarface: IP is same as server`s so I dont think it could be JS |
| 01:51.46 | gnarface | iguana007: it could be if you're running a web browser in X on the server i think |
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| 01:52.21 | gnarface | iguana007: did you check the out put of ps for anything suspicious ? |
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| 01:52.49 | gnarface | iguana007: you can use the fuser tool to see what is calling/accessing what |
| 01:53.04 | iguana007 | gnarface: ok, I will try |
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| 01:56.59 | gnarface | iguana007: if the system is running some sort of reverse proxy but only using apache's default logging configuration i believe the traffic could still be coming from outside the box and look like its coming from your own ip |
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| 01:57.31 | gnarface | iguana007: but you could test that with tcpdump for example |
| 01:57.42 | iguana007 | gnarface: ok |
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| 02:14.26 | Lokomotiv | Hello |
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| 02:15.48 | iguana007 | gnarface: found mistake :) |
| 02:16.28 | iguana007 | gnarface: it was in php script ... got into redirect loop by mistake and it cause calling php itself over and over all the time in the background :) |
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| 02:17.40 | gnarface | iguana007: good work |
| 02:18.29 | dvs | !beer iguana007 |
| 02:18.29 | dpkg | pours a quart of Dogfishhead 90min IPA for iguana007 |
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| 02:22.29 | Lokomotiv | How can I rename sda2 to sda3? |
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| 02:22.53 | dvs | why? |
| 02:23.06 | un214 | in /etc/rc.local: rm /dev/sda2 && ln -s /dev/sda3 /dev/sda2 |
| 02:23.11 | un214 | but yeah, why? |
| 02:23.27 | Lokomotiv | un214, thank you |
| 02:23.34 | Lokomotiv | !beer un214 |
| 02:23.34 | dpkg | pulls out a fine Batch 50 GFAR for un214 |
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| 02:23.45 | un214 | pours it down the drain |
| 02:23.59 | zaltekk | if i want to encrypt some files(but not a whole parition like i would with luks), what should i use? pgp? |
| 02:24.35 | un214 | dvs: oh no he's not going to post why but simply do it |
| 02:24.44 | LtL | zaltekk: gpg |
| 02:24.54 | dvs | un214: you told him how |
| 02:25.06 | zaltekk | LtL: which is GNU's PGP? |
| 02:25.12 | gnarface | zaltekk: someone told me encfs is another option |
| 02:25.19 | un214 | it is |
| 02:25.21 | zaltekk | gnarface: i said not the fs :P |
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| 02:25.36 | zaltekk | thanks |
| 02:25.38 | LtL | zaltekk: I prefer gnugpg, yes |
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| 02:26.19 | gnarface | zaltekk: encfs's primary feature is that it does NOT require a whole partition like luks |
| 02:26.31 | zaltekk | gnarface: i'm really looking for individual files |
| 02:26.39 | gnarface | zaltekk: then gpg is probably a better choice |
| 02:26.41 | zaltekk | so that's probably still overkill |
| 02:27.21 | Lokomotiv | un214, again thank you and good bye |
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| 02:29.05 | abrotman | LtL: gnupg? gnugpg sounds redundant :) |
| 02:29.28 | LtL | abrotman: my mistake, you're corect |
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| 02:29.39 | LtL | *correct |
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| 02:29.48 | kallisti | so apparently my /tmp mount point is full? |
| 02:29.57 | kallisti | is there a way I can have it expand as needed? |
| 02:30.02 | kallisti | or to just resize it? |
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| 02:30.37 | gnarface | kallisti: yes to both but its likely to be easier to add more disk space |
| 02:31.06 | un214 | wow how did you fill up /tmp? |
| 02:31.20 | kallisti | large electric sheep download. |
| 02:31.50 | kallisti | gnarface: um add more disk space? |
| 02:31.58 | un214 | hmmm since I can compile wesnoth in /tmp hmmm |
| 02:32.01 | lstarnes | or download to somewhere other than /tmp |
| 02:32.05 | gnarface | kallisti: yes, physically by adding another disk |
| 02:32.29 | kallisti | that sounds more difficult |
| 02:32.31 | un214 | it's called usb hard drive |
| 02:32.31 | kallisti | as it requires a second disk |
| 02:32.48 | gnarface | kallisti: only more costly. far less difficult from a configuration standpoint |
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| 02:33.13 | un214 | with current price being $150/terabyte I'm just a bit short on patience about not having enough disk |
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| 02:33.27 | kallisti | I have plenty of disk |
| 02:33.30 | kallisti | but not enough tmpfs |
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| 02:34.10 | somiaj | you don't have to use tmpfs for /tmp |
| 02:34.35 | un214 | kallisti: try using /var/tmp for electric sheep then |
| 02:34.42 | kallisti | it's firefox actually. |
| 02:34.46 | kallisti | that is having the problem. |
| 02:34.51 | un214 | /var/tmp is generally defined as a large /tmp that persists across reboots |
| 02:35.34 | un214 | I once saw a system that had /tmp -> /var/tmp. (don't try it if you have debian unless you want the danger of /var/tmp being wiped on reboot) |
| 02:35.34 | kallisti | these all seem like hacks. if tmpfs is volatile memory, shouldn't it be pretty easy to resize? |
| 02:35.56 | un214 | kallistti: is /tmp a tmpfs? |
| 02:36.00 | kallisti | yes |
| 02:36.04 | un214 | add a swap file |
| 02:36.12 | kallisti | tmpfs 771100 771100 0 100% /tmp |
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| 02:36.35 | un214 | oh wait, you have a limited tmpfs |
| 02:36.42 | kallisti | ...yes |
| 02:36.45 | kallisti | how do I fix it. |
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| 02:37.15 | un214 | come to think of it, beats me |
| 02:37.29 | un214 | mine is 4GB not sure why fstab is declared with all defaults |
| 02:37.35 | kallisti | is this not how Debian is normally set up? |
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| 02:38.12 | un214 | dunno. My system was installed by debootstrap |
| 02:38.22 | ac_slater | Can someone please help me downgrade php5 in squeeze? |
| 02:38.30 | kallisti | so should adding a line to fstab fix the problem? |
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| 02:38.59 | somiaj | ac_slater: downgrade it to what? |
| 02:39.11 | ac_slater | somiaj: from 5.3 to 5.2 |
| 02:39.22 | somiaj | ,versions php5 |
| 02:39.23 | judd | Package: php5 on i386 -- lenny: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny13; lenny-proposed-updates: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny16; lenny-security: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny16; squeeze: 5.3.3-7+squeeze3; squeeze-proposed-updates: 5.3.3-7+squeeze8; squeeze-security: 5.3.3-7+squeeze8; sid: 5.3.10-2; wheezy: 5.3.10-2; sid: 5.4.0-1 |
| 02:39.28 | ac_slater | somiaj: I have no experience with downgrades |
| 02:39.44 | ac_slater | It seems I have to enable some lenny repos |
| 02:39.54 | somiaj | ac_slater: you'll have to build your own custom packages. Squeeze doesn't offer a way to downagrade the package and 5.2 is not in squeeze |
| 02:40.01 | zaltekk | ac_slater: why do you want to do that? |
| 02:40.06 | kallisti | currently fstab mentions nothing about tmpfs |
| 02:40.10 | kallisti | so maybe that's why it's so tiny? |
| 02:40.11 | somiaj | ac_slater: you could try the lenny package, but due to changes between lenny and squeeze it is better to compile your own package, and also why should you do that |
| 02:40.15 | somiaj | kallisti: /etc/default/rcS |
| 02:40.18 | ac_slater | zaltekk: because there are 100 million forum posts about it haha |
| 02:41.30 | zaltekk | ac_slater: such as? |
| 02:41.31 | somiaj | kallisti: maybe /etc/default/tmpfs -- it is set somewhere in there. Though I would just umount it if you only need the extra space temeporarlly |
| 02:41.31 | kallisti | somiaj: I don't know what that's supposed to mean. the file doesn't exist. |
| 02:41.31 | kallisti | ah okay. |
| 02:41.31 | somiaj | default tmpfs size I think is determined by ram size |
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| 02:41.31 | kallisti | I'm guessing I'll end up filling tmp again if I don't resize it. |
| 02:41.33 | somiaj | so it isn't a fixed amount but a ratio of your ram |
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| 02:41.38 | ac_slater | somiaj: zaltekk Long story short, I'm helping a friend diagnose his Drupal issue. He doesnt want to update drupal but upgraded to squeeze from lenny and php5.3 came along with it. |
| 02:41.51 | zaltekk | PHP5.2 hit end of life about 15 months ago |
| 02:41.54 | ac_slater | zaltekk: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=67216 |
| 02:41.56 | zaltekk | it doesn't even receive security updates |
| 02:42.06 | un214 | hmmm looks like the default is one-half of system RAM |
| 02:42.08 | zaltekk | give your friend proper advice instead of helping him do bad things |
| 02:42.09 | ac_slater | zaltekk: I know ... :(. |
| 02:42.14 | somiaj | ac_slater: you really don't want to be using a non offical version with squeeze if you can help it. Upgrading drupal would be the prefered appraoch. |
| 02:42.23 | ac_slater | zaltekk: fair enough. |
| 02:42.24 | zaltekk | even druapl6 works with php5.3 |
| 02:42.26 | kallisti | is there a way to have it write to file when it fills up? I think I have swap on but that didn't seem to help |
| 02:42.32 | ac_slater | somiaj: Alright bud, thanks for the help. |
| 02:42.37 | zaltekk | and drupal7 has been around for over a year |
| 02:42.38 | kallisti | er, write to disk, rather. |
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| 02:42.48 | zaltekk | at least use the latest drupal6 |
| 02:42.50 | somiaj | kallisti: why not just configure what ever application you are using to dowload tmp data elsewhere. |
| 02:42.57 | ac_slater | zaltekk: like i said... its a friend, he'd rather get it working than have it safe and stable |
| 02:43.22 | zaltekk | can't even migrate to debian's drupal package? |
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| 02:44.25 | ac_slater | zaltekk: I have no experience with drupal so I didnt think 5.x was that old. Ill def suggest a merge to 6.x or 7.x |
| 02:45.01 | somiaj | ,versions drupal6 |
| 02:45.03 | judd | Package: drupal6 on i386 -- lenny: 6.6-3lenny6; lenny-security: 6.6-3lenny6; lenny-backports: 6.18-1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 6.18-1squeeze1; lenny-backports-sloppy: 6.20-1~bpo50+1; squeeze-backports: 6.22-1~bpo60+1; sid: 6.22-1; wheezy: 6.22-1 |
| 02:45.11 | zaltekk | ac_slater: drupal5 came out in 2007 |
| 02:45.15 | kallisti | somiaj: that would basically involve setting TEMP temporarily |
| 02:45.19 | ac_slater | zaltekk: eeeek |
| 02:45.30 | zaltekk | and has been unsupported for as long as php5.2 has |
| 02:45.35 | kallisti | somiaj: I'm looking for a way to prevent the need to do that ever in the future. but yes. that's one way. |
| 02:46.00 | ac_slater | zaltekk: Well then, I'd better get myself out of this situation haha |
| 02:46.00 | un214 | kallistsi: to change size, edit /etc/fstab |
| 02:46.00 | un214 | parameter size= is a long integer that is the desired size in bytes |
| 02:46.29 | zaltekk | php 5.2 eol was dec 2010, drupal 5 eol was jan 2011 |
| 02:46.37 | somiaj | kallisti: you can just disable tmpfs on your /tmp if you like. Mostly that is just a security feature to prevent people from filling up your hd via /tmp |
| 02:46.57 | un214 | somiaj: it's not security, it's performance |
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| 02:47.17 | zaltekk | http://drupal.org/documentation/upgrade/5/6 and http://drupal.org/documentation/upgrade/6/7 |
| 02:47.20 | somiaj | un214: ahh ok. I guess if there was a user who could logon, he has $HOME to fill up. |
| 02:47.26 | zaltekk | or stay with 6 if you want to use squeeze's package |
| 02:47.41 | un214 | kallisti: fast fix for this session: mount /tmp -o remount,size=8g |
| 02:47.56 | ac_slater | zaltekk: You've been more than helpful friend. Thanks sir. |
| 02:47.58 | ac_slater | or maam |
| 02:48.00 | zaltekk | np |
| 02:48.04 | zaltekk | be sure not to try 5->87 |
| 02:48.06 | zaltekk | *5->7 |
| 02:48.12 | ac_slater | yea I've read that much |
| 02:48.15 | kallisti | un214: uh, that's more than the RAM I have. |
| 02:48.18 | ac_slater | major releases need to be incremental |
| 02:48.25 | un214 | kallisti: of course it is |
| 02:48.35 | kallisti | so that's not a problem? |
| 02:48.36 | kallisti | okay. |
| 02:48.37 | un214 | if you're running out of space in /tmp you need to add swap |
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| 02:49.24 | un214 | kallisti: you do have swap right? |
| 02:49.28 | kallisti | yes |
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| 02:49.34 | un214 | how much? |
| 02:49.38 | kallisti | a lot of swap. too much. Debian was very generous with its default settings. |
| 02:49.46 | kallisti | I think like 7 GBs or something |
| 02:49.51 | kallisti | something ridiculous like that. |
| 02:49.53 | un214 | generally speaking, you can grow tmpfs to the size of swap without fear |
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| 02:50.24 | kallisti | well... if I set tmpf to 8 GBs, and it ends up going into swap, doesn't that mean that other memory allocations are going to swap? |
| 02:50.28 | kallisti | *tmpfs |
| 02:50.51 | un214 | kind of |
| 02:51.01 | un214 | they get paged with all other memory |
| 02:51.05 | kallisti | right |
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| 02:51.33 | kallisti | it would be nice if tmpfs worked differently, so that if it runs out of space it goes into swap without requiring RAM to fill up or whatever. |
| 02:51.34 | un214 | if it's downloading a large file, that will be a fairly easy victim for the page |
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| 02:51.53 | ac_slater | zaltekk: Do you have any experience with Drupal personally? |
| 02:51.55 | un214 | I think there's some preference to swapping /tmp as opposed to process ram |
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| 02:52.50 | peterrooney | zaltekk: what happens if you go from 5 -> 7? |
| 02:53.07 | kallisti | welp, let's see if I run out of RAM. |
| 02:54.39 | kallisti | hmmm /etc/default/tmpfs currently has no maximum size setting |
| 02:55.23 | un214 | if not explicity set, it takes 1/2 of physical ram |
| 02:55.35 | kallisti | TMPFS_SIZE=20% |
| 02:55.39 | kallisti | actually I'm guessing this is it. |
| 02:55.57 | un214 | I have none at all and it took half my ram size |
| 02:56.27 | kallisti | I'll set that to 50% and see what happens. |
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| 02:59.14 | kallisti | I have plenty of memory to use for tmp though. I'm at 13% memory use by programs. |
| 03:01.28 | optraz | how do i set the system default font ? |
| 03:02.22 | kallisti | optraz: there isn't really one.. |
| 03:02.34 | kallisti | I mean, what specifically are looking to change? |
| 03:02.37 | kallisti | which programs, etc. |
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| 03:03.06 | optraz | kallisti: the eclipse in my current workstation , the font looks ugly |
| 03:03.09 | optraz | i barely can see it |
| 03:03.24 | optraz | previously before migrate to debian, the font was awesome |
| 03:04.00 | kallisti | you could find a good eclipse theme. otherwise you'd want to configure the default theme for the GUI toolkit Eclipse uses. |
| 03:04.04 | zro | any suggestion for employee shift scheduling software? I can't find anything of the sort. |
| 03:04.14 | optraz | has nothing to eclipse |
| 03:04.19 | optraz | it is the system default font |
| 03:04.24 | optraz | i started debian with netinst |
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| 03:04.48 | Kamping_Kaiser | hrm, dh --verobse --with javahelper == fail -.- |
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| 03:04.51 | tsccof | can anyone here recommend a good monospace font for coding? |
| 03:04.56 | kallisti | optraz: yes but using an eclipse theme would fix your immediate problem. |
| 03:05.03 | kallisti | optraz: what system were you on previously? |
| 03:05.10 | optraz | centos |
| 03:05.11 | gnarface | tsccof: bitstream vera mono |
| 03:05.21 | optraz | optraz: i dont want to set in the application level. |
| 03:06.01 | dvs | 's Eclipse doesn't even start |
| 03:06.09 | optraz | kallisti: : i dont want to set in the application level. |
| 03:06.47 | tsccof | gnarface: thank you |
| 03:06.49 | epicfail | guys i just lay in my bad, as the screen activated itself i got suspicious, i turned on wireshark and noticed a portscan and that someone tried to exploit my apache 2. I reconfigured my rooter (https) to not forward anything to my pc and the attack stopped. What would you suggest to do now? |
| 03:06.53 | kallisti | optraz: are you using GNOME? |
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| 03:07.04 | optraz | kallisti: no, not gui in debian now |
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| 03:07.28 | kallisti | optraz: well you could try changing the X default font, but I don't know that Eclipse cares about that. |
| 03:07.34 | kallisti | doesn't know a lot about Eclipse. |
| 03:07.39 | optraz | ok kallisti how do i change it? |
| 03:07.44 | optraz | using fc ? |
| 03:07.56 | epicfail | guys i just lay in my bad, as the screen activated itself i got suspicious, i turned on wireshark and noticed a portscan and that someone tried to exploit my apache 2. I reconfigured my rooter (https) to not forward anything to my pc and the attack stopped. What would you suggest to do now? |
| 03:08.13 | epicfail | is there a way to test if i have been compromised? |
| 03:09.30 | kallisti | optraz: without GNOME you'd want to edit ~/.Xresources |
| 03:09.45 | somiaj | you could debsums every package but that could take a while, but there could be other thigns hiding. There are also differnt rootkit dectors, but really no way to verify 100% you haven't been. But you can say mostlikely not |
| 03:09.52 | somiaj | epicfail: ^^ |
| 03:09.53 | epicfail | come on this is sireous |
| 03:10.00 | epicfail | my pc may have been compromised |
| 03:10.07 | epicfail | im scared like shit |
| 03:10.17 | un214 | run debsums |
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| 03:10.39 | epicfail | shall i turn my pc off throw my cell away and shoot everyone who passes my door? |
| 03:10.39 | un214 | if that doesn't satisfy and you think they got root somehow, reinstall box from CD |
| 03:10.40 | LtL | epicfail: and run chkrootkit |
| 03:10.40 | optraz | kallisti: i dont have this file ~/Xresources |
| 03:10.41 | kallisti | optraz: http://mikhailian.mova.org/xresourcesa here's an example .Xresources file. to figure out the font specifier sytnax you can use xfontsel |
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| 03:10.58 | kallisti | optraz: what window manager are you using? how are you using Eclipse, basically. |
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| 03:11.19 | optraz | kallisti: there is no wm in the debian, just cli. my workstaiton ssh to the box and launch eclipse |
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| 03:11.30 | kallisti | optraz: and yes it won't exist by default. |
| 03:11.32 | optraz | kallisti: page not found. |
| 03:12.05 | kallisti | optraz: remove the a. sorry about that. |
| 03:12.18 | kallisti | oh.. I see |
| 03:12.23 | superstraw | So I installed squeeze with the encrypted lvm option on a vm... what kind of encryption is used and is the swap partition encrypted also? i read some places there are concerns regarding data written to swap that can be accessed. |
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| 03:12.30 | epicfail | LtL whats that? |
| 03:12.43 | kallisti | I don't think .Xresources is what you want then |
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| 03:13.01 | optraz | yes, not the .Xresources |
| 03:13.17 | somiaj | epicfail: will check for common root kits that get put on systems to crack them. debsums will check for corrupted binaries. You can also check your authentication and users, change passwords and the likes. |
| 03:13.32 | optraz | i need to know what is the decent font package that i need to install and select it as the systme default font. |
| 03:13.37 | optraz | kallisti: ^^ |
| 03:13.42 | somiaj | epicfail: but as I said there is no 100% sure way to verify you got everything, a reintsall is the best if you know you have been compermised. But the above should give you peice of mind in most cases |
| 03:14.04 | LtL | epicfail: install chkrootkit, it checks for common rootkits |
| 03:14.10 | kallisti | superstraw: you can specify the encryption. by default it uses AES. I believe the swap is encrypted, but I don't know for sure. |
| 03:14.20 | kallisti | I set mine to use twofish. |
| 03:14.52 | superstraw | kallisti: thank you. I must have missed the part where i can pick my encryption... at least it's aes by default. did you use twofish for speed or something? |
| 03:15.07 | kallisti | superstraw: and yes if swap isn't encrypted then processes stored in swap (containing plaintext passphrase data) could be accessed |
| 03:15.23 | rudi_s | superstraw: cryptsetup luksDump /dev/path |
| 03:16.26 | rudi_s | If you've put the swap partition inside the encrypted lvm, then it's encrypted. |
| 03:16.28 | kallisti | superstraw: not really, the performance difference is minimal. but twofish is a bit faster on 256-bit keys. |
| 03:16.35 | superstraw | kallisti: yeah i wasn't sure if the swap was indeed encrypted so i just disabled it for what i was doing... |
| 03:16.53 | un214 | AES256 got broken down to 126 bits a few months ago anyway |
| 03:16.55 | kallisti | well it's only an issue if the swap is actually being used. |
| 03:16.56 | epicfail | seems like i have not been compromised so far... but why did my monitor activate? |
| 03:16.57 | kallisti | obviously. |
| 03:16.57 | superstraw | rudi_s: luksDump? yes the swap partition is in the lvm, whew. |
| 03:17.20 | superstraw | un214: why did they do that? |
| 03:17.24 | rudi_s | superstraw: It tells you what settings the encrypted partition uses. |
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| 03:17.41 | superstraw | rudi_s: ah ok i'll check it out thx |
| 03:18.00 | un214 | superstraw: I believe you did not understand. There is a theoretical attack published agains AES256 that results in it having 126 bits of protection. |
| 03:19.08 | superstraw | un214: so the aes128 would be better than the 256 I'm supposing? |
| 03:19.13 | epicfail | guys can anyone of you offer a reason why my monitor could have activated? |
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| 03:19.27 | un214 | yes |
| 03:19.31 | superstraw | I'm gonna have to change my gpg files then eh |
| 03:19.33 | kallisti | superstraw: also I like twofish because, as far as I know, there aren't any good attacks against it. |
| 03:19.47 | un214 | I wouldn't bother. 126 bits is far beyond reach |
| 03:19.49 | superstraw | wait, what about my 95 character passphrase with the aes256? |
| 03:20.01 | un214 | and you're not hiding multibillion secrets |
| 03:20.11 | kallisti | hey, you don't know that. :P |
| 03:20.31 | epicfail | so you cant? |
| 03:20.44 | kallisti | superstraw: 95 characters? uh... you're fine. |
| 03:20.46 | superstraw | nah just hiding my homework from my brother. |
| 03:21.29 | superstraw | epicfail: did you move your mouse? |
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| 03:22.09 | epicfail | superstraw, no i was in my bed, window was open and my has caused the temperature going down |
| 03:22.12 | kallisti | optraz: http://www.tankmiche.com/tips/customize-tty-appearance/ this might be relevant to your interests. |
| 03:23.04 | epicfail | can a attack manage to start my screen? can a attempt unsucessful do? |
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| 03:23.35 | kallisti | optraz: also if you're looking for font packs. add contrib and non-free to your repos and then run: dpkg-query -l 'ttf-*' |
| 03:23.35 | un214 | it might wake the computer out of powersave but a failed should not wake the screensaver |
| 03:23.43 | kallisti | optraz: (after you do apt-get update) |
| 03:24.08 | optraz | kallisti: dont think so on that link, but yeat, i need something like command fc |
| 03:24.34 | kallisti | dpkg-query -l '*font*' |
| 03:24.37 | kallisti | has some results as well. |
| 03:24.44 | superstraw | epicfail: I find my sensitive laser mouse will prod my monitor in action when I stomp across the room. |
| 03:26.03 | kallisti | optraz: try ttf-goudybookletter, for that classic 1400s terminal style. |
| 03:26.42 | optraz | ok |
| 03:26.58 | kallisti | optraz: I don't really understand how you're viewing Eclipse without X though. maybe I misunderstand. |
| 03:27.18 | epicfail | okey lets assume worest case szenario. what could trigger my screen to activate ? |
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| 03:29.14 | superstraw | epicfail: ghosts touched your mouse. |
| 03:29.33 | superstraw | epicfail: was your computer in sleep mode or was the monitor just powered down? |
| 03:29.50 | optraz | kallisti: ssh -X to the box and launch eclipse. and make sure the server has X11 enable |
| 03:29.54 | optraz | in sshd |
| 03:30.29 | kallisti | optraz: but if you're using X. you can change the system font in .Xresources (yes, and create it too if it's not there) followed by running xrdb -merge ~/.Xresources |
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| 03:31.30 | optraz | kallisti: okay, im setting eclipse to use system font and install a few font package for my system |
| 03:31.34 | optraz | now it looks ok |
| 03:31.44 | epicfail | superstraw, monitor just down |
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| 03:34.09 | superstraw | epicfail: i wouldn't worry about it then, honestly. just dont turn off your computer until i'm done with it k? :p |
| 03:35.06 | epicfail | superstraw, careful its configured to find out who attacks, hack a rocket silo in the usa and nuke that country xD |
| 03:35.56 | epicfail | a view programs do not have a md5 sum on my pc. is that suspicious or just normal? |
| 03:36.14 | optraz | kallisti: i think font sans is much more visible for my eyes ;) |
| 03:36.20 | optraz | just a personal opinion |
| 03:36.21 | optraz | hehe |
| 03:36.27 | superstraw | epicfail: can i use my computer from work? i'd love a few days off. |
| 03:36.38 | kallisti | optraz: oh did you actually use goudy bookletter? :P |
| 03:37.16 | optraz | noh.. haha! |
| 03:37.31 | epicfail | superstraw, nice idea! damn ur too smart for me =( |
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| 03:38.11 | karlpinc | epicfail: You're using debsums? |
| 03:39.04 | epicfail | karlpinc, yes.... a handful of programs do not have a checksum |
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| 03:39.33 | superstraw | my punishment for the evening is fixing a laptop with windows vista, have pity on me! |
| 03:40.23 | epicfail | superstraw, i would share my 12 year old wiskey with you if i could :S |
| 03:40.36 | karlpinc | epicfail: When push comes to shove you can't trust the md5 sums unless you're comparing against a md5 database stored on write-only media or on another box. |
| 03:41.23 | superstraw | Mmm whiskey |
| 03:41.34 | epicfail | karlpinc, where i get md5sums on a cd/dvd? is there any website i just can dl an iso? |
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| 03:42.04 | iluminator101 | is there a way to listen to internet radio without commercials, by stripping the commercials and recording it |
| 03:42.05 | karlpinc | epicfail: All my packages have md5sums (debsums -l shows nothing.) But are all your packages from offical debian repos? |
| 03:42.47 | epicfail | karlpinc, no i dont think so... some are from tor, dome are from playdeb |
| 03:43.15 | karlpinc | epicfail: http://www.debian.org/CD has isos. But that sounds like a lot of downloading to get md5sums. |
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| 03:43.39 | karlpinc | epicfail: So check the source of the packages without md5sums with apt-cache policy. |
| 03:44.11 | superstraw | rudi_s: ty for the cryptsetup cmd i figured it out now :) |
| 03:44.21 | rudi_s | np |
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| 03:46.41 | epicfail | karlpinc, whats a good result and whats not? |
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| 03:47.23 | karlpinc | epicfail: If it does not have a md5sum you hope it comes from a badly-packaged non-debian repo. |
| 03:48.20 | epicfail | karlpinc, seems fine, all have default information. so i have some from basic debian with no checksums... hmmm |
| 03:49.18 | rudi_s | epicfail: Not all packages have md5sums. |
| 03:49.40 | rudi_s | (md5 is broken anyway, only useful to detect (disk) corruption.) |
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| 03:50.27 | epicfail | still im terrified. I dont think they have compromised debian stable on the newest security update but still im terrified |
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| 03:50.43 | epicfail | any suggestions for a firewall? |
| 03:50.48 | rudi_s | epicfail: Reinstall from a safe CD> |
| 03:50.49 | rudi_s | . |
| 03:50.51 | LtL | epicfail: a portscan doesn't necessarily mean you were hacked, they're rather common. |
| 03:50.54 | rudi_s | iptables |
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| 03:51.25 | rudi_s | man iptables - default linux firewall. |
| 03:51.34 | karlpinc | epicfail: I prefer ferm to raw iptables. YMMV. Just make sure you setup a default deny policy. |
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| 03:53.02 | epicfail | interresting... its already installed |
| 03:53.19 | karlpinc | epicfail: Yes, but you didn't tell it to firewall anything. |
| 03:54.28 | rudi_s | Be careful to not lock yourself out if that's a remote server, man iptables-apply |
| 03:55.39 | epicfail | rudi_s, its not remote im sitting right before it. still i would like to remote acess from school |
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| 03:56.26 | rudi_s | That makes testing easier. But if that's not a server, you just need to allow established connections in/out and all connections out. |
| 03:58.20 | karlpinc | rudi_s: If you're serous about security you'll only allow out what needs to go out. |
| 03:58.29 | epicfail | rudi_s, i would be happy to if you tell me where i find how to set it up |
| 03:58.38 | rudi_s | karlpinc: Doesn't really matter for a workstation. |
| 03:58.55 | karlpinc | rudi_s: Because? |
| 03:59.11 | rudi_s | karlpinc: dport 80 is all an attacker needs. |
| 03:59.24 | karlpinc | rudi_s: That's true no matter a workstation or a server. |
| 04:00.00 | rudi_s | karlpinc: No, because a server only needs certain outgoing ports. But a workstations needs out to all dport 80. |
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| 04:00.07 | rudi_s | s/ports/destinations/ |
| 04:00.11 | epicfail | karlpinc, i agree with rudi_s for first, locking all port just stopps games to work and brings a low security improvement |
| 04:00.14 | rudi_s | (But depends on the server though.) |
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| 04:01.07 | epicfail | so wehere do i find a good list of rules? >< |
| 04:01.08 | karlpinc | rudi_s: So just allow dport 80 on outbound traffic. Done. (But that's not right because you also need smtp/lmtp, domain, outbound ssh, etc.) |
| 04:01.34 | rudi_s | karlpinc: And that makes a workstation any more secure than just everything out? |
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| 04:02.45 | ArielMT | don't forget udp/53 among all the others |
| 04:02.53 | karlpinc | rudi_s: Yes. The same reason it makes a server more secure. Because you foil attemps to do things with scriptkiddie tools that talk back to the source. |
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| 04:03.38 | rudi_s | epicfail: :INPUT DROP [0:0] ; :FORWARD DROP [0:0] ; :OUTPUT ACCEPT [0:0] -A INPUT -m conntrack --ctstate INVALID -j DROP ; -A INPUT -m conntrack --ctstate ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT ; -A INPUT -i lo -j ACCEPT <- should be enough for the basic stuff. |
| 04:03.42 | karlpinc | rudi_s: Of course your box is already cracked, but maybe not entirely rooted. |
| 04:04.04 | rudi_s | karlpinc: Good point. But it won't help for more advanced attacks. |
| 04:04.32 | rudi_s | advanced = port 80 ... even most script-kiddies should know that by now. |
| 04:04.39 | karlpinc | rudi_s: Right. If you're allowing traffic to the net then communication is possible. :) |
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| 04:04.56 | rudi_s | Hehe, yeah ;-) |
| 04:05.05 | epicfail | rudi_s, i just uninstalled my apache 2 since i dont use it anyway |
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| 04:05.26 | somiaj | epicfail: you can also 'update-rc.d apache2 disable' so it is there if you want to turn it on and test something, but doesn't run by default |
| 04:05.28 | rudi_s | Good idea, uninstalling all unnecessary software is the first step. |
| 04:05.33 | karlpinc | epicfail: I think it might listen only on localhost by default anyway. See the <readme.debian>. |
| 04:06.10 | karlpinc | epicfail: But rudi_s is right. If you don't use it uninstall it. |
| 04:07.32 | cracka | Im having an issue with nvidia/xfce/deb stable. right now the colors seem too bright and the fonts appear blured inside vim |
| 04:07.33 | epicfail | does rudis configuration rejects private adress space? |
| 04:07.50 | rudi_s | epicfail: Private address space? |
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| 04:08.39 | cracka | i dont what a good spot to trouble shoot it is, I found one article about disabling edid extensions but im not sure that this is the issue |
| 04:09.03 | epicfail | found some configuration in the internet. it rejects if someone sends packages with private adress space ips from the net |
| 04:09.11 | epicfail | dont know if they would even be recived |
| 04:09.35 | rudi_s | epicfail: INVALID should take care of that, I hope - haven't tested it though. |
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| 04:10.32 | rudi_s | But in this case it shouldn't matter, the packet is NEW, so it gets dropped. |
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| 04:11.16 | epicfail | rudi_s, should be fine but im not sure how to configure iptables |
| 04:12.09 | rudi_s | epicfail: Put the commands I pasted above in a file, replace ; with newline and then run iptables-apply on the file. |
| 04:12.12 | rudi_s | man for more information. |
| 04:13.09 | epicfail | rudi_s, will it start on startup then? |
| 04:13.21 | epicfail | ok thanks on it |
| 04:13.22 | rudi_s | Oh, and don't trust strangers on the internet ;-) - man iptables-save and run it to see how the default looks like. |
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| 04:14.00 | rudi_s | epicfail: No. Won't get enabled automatically. For that you must start it in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 04:14.35 | rudi_s | Add "up /path/to/script" to interfaces, man interfaces for more information. |
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| 04:15.08 | rudi_s | The script must have #!/sbin/iptables-restore as it's first line, contain the lines I pasted above and executable. |
| 04:15.22 | scratchme | Hi all. I have two drawers of drives connected to a debian box. one drawer fell out of an mdadm array, and shows "clean" still for the ones that fell out if you mdadm examine them. I'd like to push those drives back into the array and rebuild. Is this the command I want? http://pastebin.ca/2124759 |
| 04:15.25 | rudi_s | (Shouldn't be readable/writably by non root.) |
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| 04:17.57 | karlpinc | scratchme: You're missing the \ to continue the line at the end of the lines. Aside from that I don't know. I've always found the mdadm man page to be clear. (It seems a little spooky you'd have to force, but then I really know nothing about it.) |
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| 04:18.26 | epicfail | rudi_s, it does not like ur skript =/ |
| 04:18.30 | epicfail | error line 1 |
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| 04:18.31 | scratchme | karlpinc: yeah, in the mdadm --detail it shows "removed" for the drives I want to push back into the array. |
| 04:18.41 | buu_ | Hello friends. Is there some documentation someplace on how I can get both apache2-mpm-prefork and apache2-mpm-worker installed at the same time? |
| 04:18.51 | scratchme | karlpinc: also I expected to join the lines into a single line, but broke them for readability. |
| 04:19.21 | karlpinc | buu_: Last I paid attention you couldn't run both with the same instance of apache. I could be wrong, or out of date. You might also want to see the apache <readme.debian>. |
| 04:19.24 | rudi_s | epicfail: Ah *filter in the second line missing - but don't just trust me, experiment on your own with iptables-save,-apply,... then you learn that on your own. |
| 04:19.42 | karlpinc | scratchme: I figured, but since you asked....:) |
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| 04:20.15 | epicfail | rudi_s, i dont trus you =) |
| 04:20.25 | rudi_s | Very good ;-) |
| 04:20.26 | buu_ | karlpinc: This is an outrage! |
| 04:20.30 | karlpinc | buu_: (Or maybe I'm thinking of something else.... It's been a while.) |
| 04:21.01 | buu | karlpinc: Where do I email my vicious and unwarranted hatred? |
| 04:21.03 | scratchme | karlpinc: oh hell, I did an lvm snapshot and copied all the data off, so what the heck. |
| 04:21.03 | karlpinc | buu: I think it was apache 2.2 though. |
| 04:21.30 | karlpinc | buu: If there's nothing in the <readme.debian> then bitch to apache. |
| 04:21.36 | epicfail | rudi_s, but bysides the first line may be dropping all input it looks fine |
| 04:22.07 | rudi_s | epicfail: Drop all input? |
| 04:22.52 | epicfail | rudi_s isnt it? :INPUT DROP [0:0] |
| 04:23.05 | rudi_s | epicfail: Experiment a little ;-) |
| 04:23.32 | karlpinc | epicfail: Or you might need to read up on the concepts behind firewalling. |
| 04:23.45 | buu | karlpinc: Er, where is this readme? |
| 04:23.49 | epicfail | ye i have to :S |
| 04:23.54 | karlpinc | !tell buu about readme.debian |
| 04:23.57 | rudi_s | epicfail: man iptables | less -p ' -P' |
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| 04:24.46 | karlpinc | buu: There's occasionaly some other useful information from upstream in that directory too. |
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| 04:25.26 | rudi_s | epicfail: And have a look at an iptables tutorial, but don't trust them ... always use iptables-save/iptables-restore/-apply, never use iptables -A or a similiar command. |
| 04:25.39 | buu | karlpinc: Oh hey |
| 04:26.16 | buu | /usr/lib/apache2/mpm-worker/apache2: ELF 64-bit LSB shared object, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.18, stripp |
| 04:26.27 | epicfail | rudi_s, i just trust myself (and that not even when im drunk) |
| 04:26.33 | rudi_s | :D |
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| 04:27.38 | karlpinc | buu: Rather than listen to me you could also check the docs at httpd.apache.org for 2.2. |
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| 04:28.46 | scratchme | karlpinc: I couldn't do assemble to a live array, so I tried -a (readd) and it seems to be working, although it is only rebuilding one drive at a time it seems. |
| 04:28.53 | Arrick | heya scratchme |
| 04:28.58 | scratchme | 'lo Arrick . |
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| 04:31.34 | karlpinc | scratchme: -a sounds like a better idea. What sort of raid? |
| 04:31.48 | scratchme | karlpinc: raid 10. |
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| 04:32.28 | scratchme | 28x 15k rpm fc disks in drawers. |
| 04:32.51 | scratchme | I redid the layout on them so I could use them as plain disks. They were off-lease netapp drawers without the head unit. |
| 04:33.14 | karlpinc | scratchme: I'm not sure why it'd do only one at a time, unless it's just playing safe and does not want to calculate bus bandwidth etc to keep from overloading things. |
| 04:33.39 | karlpinc | scratchme: What's a netapp? |
| 04:33.43 | scratchme | karlpinc: not sure either. When I originally built it, it would do all at once. |
| 04:33.56 | scratchme | http://www.netapp.com/us/ |
| 04:34.04 | scratchme | Those guys. |
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| 04:41.03 | karlpinc | scratchme: So, you didn't just accidently tip the rack too far and dump the drives on the floor. ;-) When you say you redid the layout you mean you removed the netapp raid stuff and made them plain disks? |
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| 04:43.07 | epicfail | rudi_s, i cant find anything using :INPUT everything is just useing -A input |
| 04:43.18 | scratchme | karlpinc: yes, the sector geometry was 536 bytes or something like that. |
| 04:43.34 | scratchme | karlpinc: linux didn't like that too well, so I had to redo the geometry to 512bytes. |
| 04:44.04 | karlpinc | epicfail: I seem to recall that that part of the iptables-load (or whatever it is) data format is undocumented. |
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| 04:46.06 | karlpinc | scratchme: Wouldn't that trash the data and prevent it from re-adding so that you'd have to put it in as an entirely new disk? |
| 04:46.24 | epicfail | http://wiki.debian.org/iptables seems fine but i dont get the part about port 30000 and script kiddies... |
| 04:46.35 | scratchme | karlpinc: When I first created the array, it did, yes. |
| 04:46.46 | scratchme | karlpinc: this was years ago, though. |
| 04:47.25 | karlpinc | scratchme: Well, jolly good. I wish I had a big pile of fast disks to play with. :) |
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| 04:47.52 | scratchme | karlpinc: these days, it's better to just buy a couple of SSDs unless you need lots of actual space. |
| 04:48.32 | karlpinc | scratchme: Yah. I'm still on the cusp of needing space. If I procrastinate long enough my problem will go away. |
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| 04:49.39 | scratchme | karlpinc: I'd like to get one of these for my home dev/tooling around: http://www.synology.com/products/product.php?product_name=DS2411%2B&lang=enu |
| 04:50.14 | epicfail | what port is ssh again? 21 or 22? |
| 04:50.22 | scratchme | 22 is default. |
| 04:50.38 | scratchme | 21 is ftp, but a google search would have told you. |
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| 04:51.25 | unomystEz | hello, I'm on wheezy, how can I install a particular package from sid? |
| 04:51.35 | epicfail | Can you establish NEW connections to the machine? (y/N) apparently not... |
| 04:51.53 | epicfail | that realy made my day! nice seeing people thinking what they are doing! |
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| 04:52.34 | zykotick9 | !tell unomystEz about ssb |
| 04:53.15 | unomystEz | zykotick9: thanks |
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| 04:55.51 | scratchme | karlpinc: odd, now it's building the rest all at once after doing a few one at a time. |
| 04:58.10 | epicfail | done lifting lockdown now (removeing curtains xD) thx for help |
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| 05:08.26 | scratchme | bbl, sleep |
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| 05:50.53 | somethinginteres | is there a way to get a specific program to use a different DNS to the system-set one on a per program basis? |
| 05:51.36 | cornerse | default uses bind. |
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| 05:55.35 | somethinginteres | cornerse: right. In noob friendly lingo does that make my utopia of differing DNS possible or make it next to im-possible? |
| 05:57.29 | cornerse | just uninstall then install preferred DNS. |
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| 06:06.04 | rneese | hey all having a issue is sh on debian. |
| 06:06.21 | rneese | understand I come from freebsd so I dont fully grep the diff |
| 06:06.25 | rneese | read -er -p |
| 06:06.36 | rneese | its telling me -e is a invalid option |
| 06:06.54 | rneese | what should the read be then ? |
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| 06:11.38 | lclark | rneese: according to man sh, -e is not a valid option to read. An alternative is to use bash, who's read does support -e |
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| 06:21.09 | somethinginteres | cornerse: sorry, I'm not following. To confirm, I am wanting to use a different DNS for different websites, dynamically switching as needed. Something like this but achievable in Debian http://hints.macworld.com/article.php?story=2004062902195410 |
| 06:22.38 | cornerse | takes a look |
| 06:23.38 | cornerse | i wouldn't know how to dynamically. |
| 06:23.50 | cornerse | but dynamically between different DNS' maybe. |
| 06:24.15 | cornerse | you might want to have a script to switch DNS entries. |
| 06:24.31 | cornerse | or just comment out certain entries when in usage. |
| 06:25.33 | rneese | ok 1 small issue in my script |
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| 06:26.12 | somethinginteres | cornerse: hmm I thought of maybe writing a script but I was hoping to not have to touch the "global" settings and just have it change as needed. I want to use my ISPs DNS for most things but a few sites, a different one. |
| 06:26.32 | somethinginteres | cornerse: but if a script is the only way then I suppose I can make do. :) |
| 06:26.35 | rneese | cat << EOF >> /etc/hosts $IP $HN hostname -s EOF |
| 06:26.48 | rneese | its not doing the hostname -s command |
| 06:26.53 | rneese | what did I miss |
| 06:27.12 | cornerse | make do it is. |
| 06:27.44 | somethinginteres | cornerse: roger that. Thanks. |
| 06:28.25 | rneese | ${hastname -s} fails |
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| 06:29.39 | lclark | $(hostname -s) |
| 06:29.52 | lclark | parens, not braces. |
| 06:31.20 | rneese | ok |
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| 06:37.11 | firespeaker | why is wine not in testing? |
| 06:38.11 | rneese | wine is for cheese |
| 06:38.22 | rneese | not for linux/bsd/slowlaris |
| 06:38.52 | lstarnes | it's in stable and unstable, isn't it? |
| 06:38.57 | firespeaker | yes |
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| 06:39.16 | firespeaker | I only need wine because gnupdf isn't done yet :( |
| 06:39.41 | firespeaker | ugh, I'm going to install the unstable version |
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| 06:39.51 | firespeaker | broken repositories suck |
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| 06:40.11 | aBound | Agreed. |
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| 06:40.57 | aBound | How do I get an invite to the #debian-next channel? |
| 06:40.59 | firespeaker | no idea why wine would be removed from testing |
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| 06:44.49 | simonlnu | aBound: OFTC, not here. see /topic |
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| 06:45.29 | aBound | OFTC? |
| 06:45.46 | lstarnes | it;s another IRC network |
| 06:46.15 | simonlnu | !debian-next aBound |
| 06:46.15 | dpkg | aBound: #debian-next is a channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net). |
| 06:47.00 | aBound | I gotcha. |
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| 06:51.29 | rneese | ok next issue |
| 06:52.54 | rneese | #configure hostename read -r -p "Please set your system Hostname:" HN echo "$HN" >> "$HOST_FILE" needs to output $(hostname -s) to the /etc/hosts file |
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| 06:54.25 | simonlnu | ask #bash |
| 06:54.57 | rneese | grr well I was just doing this in sh |
| 06:55.00 | rneese | but ok |
| 06:55.36 | simonlnu | they won't care |
| 06:55.47 | simonlnu | they're similar enough |
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| 07:02.14 | rneese | I figured it ou setup a new field called DomainName |
| 07:02.18 | rneese | it works |
| 07:02.43 | disappearayo | sorry what you wanted to do and how you finally did it? |
| 07:04.06 | rneese | needed to set sort and long host name in 2 files |
| 07:04.20 | rneese | shortname in /etc/hostname |
| 07:04.35 | rneese | and longname + shotname in /etc/hosts |
| 07:05.05 | rneese | clear |
| 07:05.21 | disappearayo | okay and the fqdn is get from a read request? |
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| 07:05.56 | rneese | yes |
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| 07:06.56 | disappearayo | then you also could work with cut or awk to get the hostname and then the fqdn and then replace the old with sed -i |
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| 07:08.01 | rneese | true. well its done for now. had to have it right away as this script is for configuring new Virtual pbx templates |
| 07:08.06 | rneese | and it works |
| 07:08.55 | disappearayo | nice ;) i write a script for a debian 6 confixx image.. it's nearly done |
| 07:09.11 | disappearayo | so have fun |
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| 07:12.48 | timkofu | hi guys |
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| 07:13.23 | timkofu | I need to match all IP address not 127.0.0.1 with iptables. How do I do that? |
| 07:15.27 | disappearayo | write the rule for the whole 0.0.0.0/0 and after that write a rule which allows localhost |
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| 07:16.47 | FilipeMaia | Is it possible to change the font family of a PDF document? |
| 07:16.55 | FilipeMaia | And if so, how? |
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| 07:21.24 | disappearayo | pdfedit |
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| 07:22.27 | disappearayo | http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/open-source-linux-pdf-writer.html |
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| 07:25.30 | dsdeiz | hi is there like an equivalent of lxappearance or gtk-chtheme which modifies .gtkrc-2.0 for fontconfig? i.e. a gui tool that configures .fonts.conf? |
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| 07:26.19 | republican_devil | attetnion debian users archlinux has new officially obsoleted debian please switch today |
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| 07:26.22 | republican_devil | thank u |
| 07:27.59 | lstarnes | republican_devil: you're a very obvious troll |
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| 07:28.41 | republican_devil | truth is harsh as si capitalism yet both are best |
| 07:28.49 | republican_devil | vot republican I do |
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| 07:34.46 | dorival | debian rocks |
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| 07:39.59 | ronin___ | Hi all, I need a mailing list for help network administrators? |
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| 07:46.30 | Testbaron | hi what beter :(512 DDR2-800 DDR2 SDRAM +DDR2-667 DDR2 SDRAM ) OR (512 DDR2-800 DDR2 SDRAM+512 DDR2-800 DDR2 SDRAM)? |
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| 07:47.58 | lstarnes | Testbaron: you may want to try asking in ##hardware |
| 07:48.30 | Testbaron | thx man |
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| 08:01.08 | I_Died_Once | hi, i'm running debian squeeze amd64 (kde) and i just plugged in a second monitor, going for a dual monitor setup |
| 08:01.30 | I_Died_Once | do i need to reboot the computer in order for debian to "see" the monitor? |
| 08:01.36 | arinov | nope |
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| 08:08.35 | hellop | I'm running squeeze. How can I uninstall proftpd? I ran "aptitude install proftpd" and it installed. I run "aptitude purge proftpd" and "no packages will be removed..." "apt-cache search proftpd" doesn't find the package.. |
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| 08:10.31 | MasterOfDisaster | hi, I need an ancient version (0.7.9) of APT's source, can somebody point me to an archive, version control system, etc. where I can find it? |
| 08:10.36 | jpinx | hellop: check that it actually is installed |
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| 08:11.47 | hellop | jpinx, the startup scripts exists: /etc/init.d/proftpd. But the install gave an error: "ProFTPd warning: cannot start neither in standalone nor in inetd/xinetd mode. Check your configuration." which is why I'm trying to remove it. |
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| 08:12.28 | jpinx | hellop: looks like it was not actually installed |
| 08:13.36 | hellop | interesting that "aptitude install proftpd" ran the install script, asked me if I wanted to install in inetd or standalone in the curses script, but now if I run "aptitude install proftpd" nothing happens. |
| 08:14.00 | hellop | So, it seems that it did install. But now the meta-package "proftpd" doesn't exist in the apt-cache. |
| 08:14.12 | hellop | I did do an aptitude update, in between. |
| 08:14.23 | epicfail | where do i have to save a root script that it will allways start on startup? |
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| 08:14.54 | zendeavor | shot in the dark for me hellop but can't you use dpkg-configure or something |
| 08:15.35 | hellop | I have this: /var/cache/apt/archives/proftpd-basic_1.3.3a-6squeeze4_i386.deb |
| 08:15.41 | zendeavor | epicfail: depends, lots of places it could go.what point in startup? boot-time, like when daemons load? or just have it launch after login? |
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| 08:16.28 | zendeavor | hrm |
| 08:16.51 | epicfail | after login... it configures my mouse |
| 08:17.02 | zendeavor | hellop: dpkg --configure proftpd maybe? |
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| 08:17.51 | hellop | no package named `proftpd' is installed, cannot configure |
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| 08:18.23 | hellop | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:18.26 | hellop | Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "/cache/apt/archives" |
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| 08:18.39 | epicfail | zendeavor, after login... it configures my mouse |
| 08:18.40 | DelTree | aptitude installs packages, not file ! |
| 08:18.45 | DelTree | +s |
| 08:19.09 | disappearayo | lol :D |
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| 08:20.57 | epicfail | zendeavor, after login... it configures my mouse |
| 08:21.00 | epicfail | come on |
| 08:21.10 | zendeavor | epicfail: launch it in your shell startup, or .xinitrc fi you use startx, or .xsession |
| 08:21.12 | hellop | got it "aptitude purge proftpd-basic" |
| 08:21.29 | hellop | thanks guys!!! |
| 08:21.41 | epicfail | zendeavor, it has to be root preveleged |
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| 08:22.13 | zendeavor | hellop: no, you needed to reconfigure really. purging can help on that path but dpkg --configure proftpd should have been all you needed to do |
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| 08:22.51 | hellop | zendeavor: didn't work... maybe --configre proftpd-basic.. anyhow the package is broken |
| 08:22.54 | zendeavor | epicfail: so elevate it with sudo or su? |
| 08:22.55 | hellop | it won't install |
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| 08:23.20 | epicfail | zendeavor, before that i would set it as suit |
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| 08:23.36 | epicfail | never mind |
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| 08:24.07 | zendeavor | setuid? |
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| 08:24.30 | zendeavor | what is the script doing |
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| 08:29.26 | hellop | locate proftpd | xargs -n 1 rm |
| 08:29.31 | hellop | ahhhhhhh that felt good |
| 08:30.46 | zendeavor | hellop: that's what find is for |
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| 08:34.16 | cesaro | it could be done. |
| 08:34.16 | cesaro | for instanc[B[B[B[B[B[Bbut not like that |
| 08:34.16 | cesaro | youdhave tomimplement a resolver into the program |
| 08:35.04 | cesaro | youdhave tomimplement a resolver into the program |
| 08:35.25 | cesaro | ah crap i was scrolled up. ignore |
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| 08:36.47 | zendeavor | find / -maxdepth 2 -name "*proftpd*" -exec rm -i \; or something hellop |
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| 08:39.31 | zendeavor | hellop: remember that `locate' has a db that could be out of date so you may miss files :P |
| 08:40.20 | hellop | U updatedbed first |
| 08:40.23 | hellop | I* |
| 08:40.56 | zendeavor | mhm, though i would suggest you learn how to use `find' :) |
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| 08:50.55 | zendeavor | so here's my issue |
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| 08:55.47 | mutante | uh? did something happen to "curl"? on wheezy and i get E: Package 'curl' has no installation candidate ..but the web (http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=curl) says it should be in anything from lenny to sid. i am on wheezy |
| 08:56.24 | codepal | anybody got some awesome tweaks I can make to apache2 to speed things up? |
| 08:56.40 | codepal | I've got an ancient lenny server that's slow as a wet weak |
| 08:57.05 | codepal | and unfortunately I can't move everything over to nginx to optimize |
| 08:57.29 | codepal | well, I could, but since this is a managed server with ISPConfig I could get a little unpopular |
| 08:58.39 | mutante | codepal: running PHP apps on it? maybe opcode caching like eaccelerator, xcache, apc |
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| 09:02.52 | codepal | mutante, yeah what about memcached ? |
| 09:02.58 | codepal | it's all PHP apps |
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| 09:03.50 | codepal | looking through lsof I've got --> # lsof -i | grep apache2 | wc -l 52 |
| 09:04.04 | codepal | that's a fair # of apache2 handlers |
| 09:04.26 | codepal | I'd love to just update it all to nginx |
| 09:04.40 | codepal | and forget about ISPConfig... |
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| 09:05.12 | mutante | codepal: not sure which of them is better in this case.. |
| 09:05.22 | mutante | +1 forgetting about ISPConfig:) |
| 09:05.58 | codepal | mutante, how does this sound? -- http://www.howtoforge.com/nginx-catch-all-host-as-front-end-to-apache-for-ispconfig-3-on-debian-lenny |
| 09:06.06 | codepal | I did a quick gs |
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| 09:07.48 | republican_devil | www.archlinux.org newsflash debian obsoleted in 2004 |
| 09:07.51 | republican_devil | by archlinux |
| 09:08.08 | ecolitan | hello |
| 09:08.47 | ecolitan | is there a list somewhere of packages which were in lenny and were removed in squeeze ? |
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| 09:09.06 | mutante | codepal: not sure, but lenny is old.. and maybe rather get rid of Apache altogether then.. like "get apache out of the way and use nginx with php-fpm for dynamic content" |
| 09:09.08 | codepal | mutante, - Like this comment --->> """ I am able to compare the original sites to the same sites behind the nginx proxy. The old sites were barely able to run 100 requests per second, the new is in excess of 4-5,000 requests per second. """ |
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| 09:09.53 | codepal | I've actually got nothing to lose, I've been told this server is due for a upgrade in a short while |
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| 09:10.46 | SuperNova | take a look at this! never expected that! Kristen Stewart to act topless in the movie "Are you Cumming?". Take a look at her leaked first topless photoshoot: http://leakyneuron.blogspot.in/ |
| 09:10.56 | codepal | so if I can show the current admin how things ought to be run, then things might get a whole lot easier for website development on this server.... |
| 09:11.10 | mrmist | SuperNova: Please stop posting that, now. |
| 09:11.12 | codepal | at the moment it's just about unbearable |
| 09:11.14 | mrmist | oh, too late |
| 09:13.20 | mutante | codepal: even if that all works fine.. i still think you want to get away from lenny |
| 09:13.22 | republican_devil | whos kriten stewart? |
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| 09:14.16 | mutante | thats not the only channel he is spamming too.. ignoring |
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| 09:15.32 | skilz | What software can I use to mix mp3 into a video? |
| 09:16.42 | mutante | skilz: ffmpeg i guess |
| 09:16.59 | skilz | gui? |
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| 09:17.07 | mutante | no |
| 09:17.22 | skilz | I want GUI |
| 09:17.27 | mutante | http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/7-free-open-source-video-editor-for-linux/ |
| 09:17.38 | skilz | Thanks |
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| 09:19.31 | codepal | mutante, agreed. I have work to do and want it done, waiting for this server upgrade is completely wasting time, if I can go ahead and optimise what I've got right now.... |
| 09:19.56 | codepal | maybe I'll get a bonus |
| 09:20.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | GUI first... if it works is a secondary consideration? |
| 09:20.18 | republican_devil | debian is like training wheel for real linux |
| 09:20.23 | republican_devil | like archlinux |
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| 09:20.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | *yawn* |
| 09:20.41 | republican_devil | I mean i nderstand those who goto soalris or bsd after using redhat or debian |
| 09:20.46 | republican_devil | not very good exoperiece |
| 09:20.51 | republican_devil | but |
| 09:20.57 | republican_devil | archlnux si quite hard to beat |
| 09:21.04 | mutante | yeah, *yawn* ;) |
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| 09:22.01 | republican_devil | yawn yeah that why u padi 10 an hour n live in moms basenment |
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| 09:22.06 | republican_devil | while going on reddit daily |
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| 09:22.11 | republican_devil | n wondering why the man who pay u |
| 09:22.12 | republican_devil | lol |
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| 09:30.32 | Knaldgas | What would be the best way to separate multiple roles in Debian/Linux: When I log in, I want to have different home-directories, but the roles should have access to the same files. I could use same UID for different users or I could use different users with different UID, but same group. |
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| 09:31.22 | Knaldgas | However some programs does not set (and cannot be told to set) the group-permissions so the same-group solution will just work |
| 09:32.13 | Knaldgas | Previously I made a script that changed the permissions at every login, but maybe the same UID will be a better way? |
| 09:33.29 | DelTree | g+s ? |
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| 09:34.00 | DelTree | would a g+s directory help ? |
| 09:34.01 | internat | yeah thats normally ohw i get arround silly apps. g+s and umask 002 |
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| 09:35.05 | MayankMittal | we are using PostgreSQL 9.1.2 on Squeeze |
| 09:35.11 | Knaldgas | Hmm, sticky, of course - I will try that, thanks! |
| 09:35.23 | MayankMittal | now we want to use the 9.1.3 |
| 09:35.47 | MayankMittal | from where I can get the debian package of Postgresql 9.1.3 |
| 09:35.51 | project2501b | how do i force screen to create a login window, please? |
| 09:36.13 | danielito | anyone running compiz with intel hd 3000 chipset? |
| 09:36.22 | danielito | when I start it, I get logged of from X automatically |
| 09:36.33 | danielito | so guess it crashes, but dunnow where to lookup for error log |
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| 09:37.45 | MayankMittal | Is there anyone who is maintaining postgresql for squeeze |
| 09:39.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | Knaldgas, I think if you try to use the same UID with different names you'll be in for some surprises |
| 09:40.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | i.e. I don't think you can make it do anything useful |
| 09:41.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions postgresql |
| 09:41.25 | judd | Package: postgresql on i386 -- lenny: 8.3.14-0lenny1; lenny-security: 8.3.16-0lenny1; lenny-proposed-updates: 8.3.17-0lenny1; lenny-backports: 8.4.9-0squeeze1~bpo50+1; lenny-backports: 8.4.10-0squeeze1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 8.4.10-0squeeze1; squeeze-proposed-updates: 8.4.11-0squeeze1; squeeze-security: 8.4.11-0squeeze1; lenny-backports-sloppy: 9.1+124~bpo50+1; sid: 9.1+128; |
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| 09:41.26 | judd | wheezy: 9.1+128 |
| 09:41.50 | jelly | danielito: /var/log/Xorg.0.old and /var/log/kern.log |
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| 09:42.38 | MayankMittal | I want to install it on Squeeze |
| 09:43.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | so where did you get the 9.1.2 from |
| 09:43.05 | danielito | jelly: guess I checked those, but anyway thx. will recheck this noon |
| 09:45.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | 'cause squeeze has 8.4.10/8.4.11 |
| 09:45.51 | MayankMittal | from squeeze backports |
| 09:46.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | what's funny is that backports also has 8.4.10 |
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| 09:48.14 | sephii | hey there, I installed backuppc but it doesn't start at boot, although there are scripts in /etc/rc*.d and in /etc/init.d. any idea on how to debug this? I've got nothing in the syslog nor in backuppc logs |
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| 09:50.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh well... it seems strange you have to ask,... as you seem to run 9.1.2 which is not in backports... but anyway - what does 9.1.3 translate into with the 9.1+xxx versions we see? |
| 09:52.28 | MayankMittal | CutMeOwnThroat, I think 9.1.2 is already there in the backports, and is available at http://packages.debian.org/squeeze-backports/postgresql-9.1 |
| 09:52.39 | MayankMittal | I'm afraid you are looking some where else |
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| 09:53.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh... there are packages with versioned package names |
| 09:54.13 | MayankMittal | yeah |
| 09:55.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions postgresql-9.1 |
| 09:55.17 | judd | Package: postgresql-9.1 on i386 -- lenny-backports-sloppy: 9.1.2-4~bpo50+1; squeeze-backports: 9.1.2-4~bpo60+1; sid: 9.1.3-1; wheezy: 9.1.3-1 |
| 09:55.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, tell MayankMittal about ssb |
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| 09:56.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | you can backport the one in wheezy/sid yourself by compiling from source |
| 09:56.02 | MayankMittal | Now I'm looking for some thing like 9.1.3-x~bpo60+y |
| 09:56.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | there is none, but you can make one yourself |
| 09:56.55 | MayankMittal | for that I've to setup a complete development environment to compile from source :) |
| 09:57.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, life is tough |
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| 09:58.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | you can either do that or wait until someone back-ports it for you and uploads to backports |
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| 09:59.25 | jelly | MayankMittal: that's about 2-3 commands and one edit of sources.list |
| 09:59.33 | MayankMittal | I think its better if I compile it by myself |
| 09:59.40 | jelly | less if you already have a squeeze system |
| 09:59.58 | streuner | MayankMittal, didnt we talk about that some days ago? |
| 10:00.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | and yes... it's not so tough, all instructions were in the factoid, actually |
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| 10:01.06 | MayankMittal | jelly, sorry to say but I don't think so we had a talk on this earlier |
| 10:01.27 | jelly | MayankMittal: or you can pay a consultant to do it for you. |
| 10:01.34 | jelly | .o/ |
| 10:01.43 | MayankMittal | jelly, oops sorry its not for you |
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| 10:02.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | jelly is making a fortune off of jobs he got from #d :P |
| 10:02.16 | jelly | wishful thinking |
| 10:02.46 | streuner | MayankMittal, hm, well, Myon is the one who backport it to squeeze, IIRC |
| 10:03.07 | jelly | CutMeOwnThroat: exactly one (1) taker in the last 12 months |
| 10:03.33 | streuner | well, he said, its going to backport as soon as its in testing, IIRC |
| 10:03.48 | MayankMittal | Stunner, ok |
| 10:04.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | you do have a way addressing people :) |
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| 10:26.52 | bambanx | hello |
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| 10:27.17 | bambanx | day ago i installed a program .air but i dont remember where is installed , how i can find it guys? |
| 10:27.19 | rical | if I want to setup a simple dns server for my local network, whats the best way to go? |
| 10:27.33 | rical | I basically want it to map hostnames to ip addresses |
| 10:27.39 | rical | and tahts it |
| 10:27.46 | rical | s/tahts/thats/ |
| 10:28.18 | bambanx | uh? |
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| 10:37.00 | skilz | I'm ssh'd into my server going an 'apt-get upgrade'. If I close the terminal window, will it continue to upgrade or will the operation be terminated? |
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| 10:37.41 | DelTree | it'l l be terminated... unless you use a tool like screen... |
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| 10:37.43 | MichelleZ | skilz, it will be terminated, you probably want screen |
| 10:38.09 | skilz | Or what if I 'apt-get upgrade &' |
| 10:38.12 | skilz | then close it? |
| 10:38.20 | cobra-the-joker | Hey there every one .... i cant connect through ethernet .... i write dhclient eth0 ... but nothing :S (installed through kde CD 1 ) |
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| 10:39.12 | DelTree | should still get terminated... especially since it might ask you for input... |
| 10:39.14 | cobra-the-joker | pls its an emergency ! |
| 10:39.46 | MichelleZ | skilz, screen really is your friend here |
| 10:40.03 | skilz | I know, I'll just VNC in, run it on a terminal in VNC |
| 10:40.07 | skilz | then log out :) |
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| 10:40.38 | bambanx | anyone can say me what theme is it ? http://s3.subirimagenes.com:81/imagen/previo/thump_7508097theme.png |
| 10:41.21 | skilz | babilen, Mac4lin |
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| 10:41.37 | skilz | Sorry |
| 10:41.39 | skilz | bambanx, |
| 10:41.49 | cobra-the-joker | anyone knows a solution to my problem !? |
| 10:41.51 | skilz | Macbuntu |
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| 10:42.10 | STK | hi, i'm a dpkg noob trying to convert a package from 1.0 to 3.0quilt format. is this a good place to ask about it? |
| 10:42.48 | ayanes | cobra-the-joker can you check the output of ifconfig |
| 10:42.53 | ayanes | after the execution of dhclient ? |
| 10:43.03 | jelly | is there a pcap diff tool, to show the differences between captures of supposedly same traffic at different points? |
| 10:43.29 | cobra-the-joker | ayanes: i am not connected through the machine now |
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| 10:44.19 | andreas83 | cobra-the-joker is the cable connected ? |
| 10:44.47 | cobra-the-joker | andreas83: yes ... its working ... but i cant get it to work on debian |
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| 10:45.38 | cobra-the-joker | i installed debian several times before ... never had this issue :S |
| 10:45.43 | andreas83 | cobra-the-joker did you try to set the ip manually and ping the gateway ?? |
| 10:46.00 | cobra-the-joker | andreas83: i dont know how to set it manually |
| 10:46.28 | andreas83 | i.e. ifconfig eth0 192.168.0.23 |
| 10:46.57 | cobra-the-joker | andreas83: ok ... will try now |
| 10:47.03 | andreas83 | good luck |
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| 10:47.59 | xela | hey i wanted to install keychain on squeeze and aptitude tells me it's not from trustworthy sources |
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| 10:48.47 | xela | i think i have a regular sources.list with only "main" |
| 10:48.54 | xela | anybody any idea? |
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| 10:52.14 | cobra-the-joker | andreas83: yes ... gateway is responsive on ping |
| 10:52.29 | andreas83 | nice, but dhclient does not work ? |
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| 10:52.35 | cobra-the-joker | andreas83: yes |
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| 10:53.32 | andreas83 | you could set ip, gw and dns manually and live without dhcp for a while ... |
| 10:53.52 | cobra-the-joker | andreas83: how can i set it ? |
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| 10:54.50 | andreas83 | set ip "ifconfig eth0 192.168.0.23" gateway "route add default gw 192.168.0.1" and for dns see /etc/resolv.conf |
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| 10:55.48 | andreas83 | to make this permanent see /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 10:56.37 | cobra-the-joker | andreas83: ok .. trying now |
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| 11:11.29 | sweb | i want to install debian from net. which iso is smallest and good for use ? |
| 11:11.49 | colo-work | the businesscard ISO |
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| 11:13.18 | babilen | !tell sweb -about netinst |
| 11:13.22 | babilen | !tell sweb -about firmware image |
| 11:13.27 | babilen | !tell sweb -about businesscard |
| 11:13.35 | babilen | !tell sweb -about ig |
| 11:13.39 | babilen | !tell sweb -about installer firmware |
| 11:13.47 | petemc | very thorough... |
| 11:13.48 | sweb | babilen: wow |
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| 11:14.38 | babilen | sweb: Sorry for the bot-spam, but that is all the information you might need. Other factoids (such as <cd1> or <dvd1> or <usb install> or ...) come to mind too and you can ask dpkg (our bot) about it with "/msg dpkg usb install") |
| 11:14.44 | disappearayo | !tell disappear -about ig |
| 11:15.01 | disappearayo | !tell disappearayo -about ig |
| 11:15.02 | babilen | disappearayo: Just "/msg dpkg ig" :) |
| 11:15.29 | disappearayo | nice thanks =) |
| 11:16.11 | sweb | babilen: i cant file iso file i want to tell my datacenter to use iso. any ISO link for net installation ? amd64 required |
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| 11:16.51 | babilen | sweb: Those are all iso files -- Or do they need something for PXE boot? |
| 11:17.21 | sweb | babilen: http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ |
| 11:17.26 | sweb | any iso files ? |
| 11:17.34 | sweb | they are just torrent links |
| 11:17.57 | disappearayo | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.4/amd64/iso-cd/ |
| 11:18.17 | babilen | sweb: Look at the right side, which provides links to .isos -- http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.4/amd64/iso-cd/ |
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| 11:18.34 | sweb | babilen: ty for guide ~0) |
| 11:19.01 | disappearayo | yea is there any best practice for making a confixx image with debian? |
| 11:19.08 | disappearayo | *hey |
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| 11:19.25 | cobra-the-joker | andreas83: no luck :(((( |
| 11:19.42 | babilen | sweb: Please note the information about firmware and firmware images the bot sent you earlier. You might want to use that if your hardware requires firmware. There are also images with newer kernels available from "/msg dpkg kmuto" if your hardware is not supported by the kernel in squeeze (2.6.32) -- Check, for example, on http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ |
| 11:20.13 | cobra-the-joker | andreas83: is it by any luck the network card not installed : S? |
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| 11:21.06 | cobra-the-joker | andreas83: i installed dhcpcd and its not working too |
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| 11:47.42 | robert45 | hi guys, Im getting the following apt-get update error, http://pastebin.com/VreQAqgR |
| 11:47.44 | robert45 | can someone help? |
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| 11:51.32 | robert45 | nvm just fixed it |
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| 12:27.17 | Mephisto | hi. Can anyone tell me how can i get rid of kernel sources folder of my own compiled kernel so i could later install video driver/virtualbox and such that requires headers? |
| 12:27.26 | Mephisto | can i just delete kernel source folder and leave headers folder? |
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| 12:28.58 | thewanderer1 | Mephisto, make-kpkg kernel_headers |
| 12:29.18 | Mephisto | thewanderer1, well they're allready made... |
| 12:29.21 | thewanderer1 | if you compiled with make / make install, you've made a mistake :P |
| 12:29.30 | Mephisto | let me check.. hang on |
| 12:29.58 | Mephisto | "fakeroot make-kpkg --append-to-version "<-suffix>" --revision "<revision#>" |
| 12:29.59 | Mephisto | --us --uc --initrd kernel_image kernel_headers" |
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| 12:30.02 | Mephisto | that was the command. |
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| 12:30.41 | thewanderer1 | ok, so your headers are in the kernel headers package, you don't need the original source anymore (you can make-kpkg clean it) |
| 12:30.53 | Mephisto | yep. |
| 12:30.58 | Mephisto | yes, BUT... |
| 12:31.21 | Mephisto | i've had this prob.. if i try updating/re-installing something that it would say that headers or config is missing... i had this prob. |
| 12:31.24 | Zet | I have a problem with X in testing. my X server crashes whenever I try to play video with the xv overlay. I'm running the fglrx display driver. here's my Xorg.0.log http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=G6c0Cr8u and my xorg.conf http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=qiPdbVqZ |
| 12:31.31 | Mephisto | then* |
| 12:31.55 | Mephisto | i got both debs for kernel and headers |
| 12:32.05 | thewanderer1 | Mephisto, and those were Debian packages that you were installing that bailed out on missing headers? |
| 12:32.14 | thewanderer1 | oh, you're supposed to install the headers deb, too :P |
| 12:32.23 | Mephisto | they're installed. |
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| 12:32.36 | Mephisto | they were installed automatically |
| 12:33.01 | Mephisto | but somehow... some apps while installing look for the kernel source folder which is specifically /usr/src |
| 12:33.16 | thewanderer1 | installing how? |
| 12:33.18 | Mephisto | those that require building under current kernel |
| 12:33.23 | Mephisto | like VirtualBox |
| 12:33.30 | thewanderer1 | from upstream or from Debian? |
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| 12:34.09 | Mephisto | upstream? You mean from repo or by running .deb alone? |
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| 12:35.58 | Mephisto | sorry, i just don't quite understand what you mean. |
| 12:36.22 | Mephisto | ok, let me just tell you, that it happened to Nvidia driver that i installed separately |
| 12:36.23 | thewanderer1 | I mean if you're trying to compile from virtualbox.org and install that somehow, or just using the virtualbox packages from the Debian main repository |
| 12:36.26 | Mephisto | by running a script. |
| 12:36.37 | Mephisto | ah... Virtualbox from backports. |
| 12:37.15 | Mephisto | well.. it hasn't happened to virtualbox actually, i just assumed it might've happened to it too, since Nvidia driver complained on missing headers once i deleted the source folder for kernel that was taking up too much space |
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| 12:38.02 | Mephisto | but i deleted both kernel and headers folder in /usr/src.... probably it didn't need kernel folder, but it did need headers. There's .config file in that particular folder that it's looking for. |
| 12:38.04 | thewanderer1 | separately == from nvidia.com, using their installer? that isn't supposed to behave sanely |
| 12:38.09 | Mephisto | yep, exactly. |
| 12:38.12 | Mephisto | oh really.. |
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| 12:38.34 | thewanderer1 | there are packages in the repository for that which can actually make use of Debian directory structure |
| 12:38.38 | Mephisto | yeah, well.. they got the newest one, and the one on backports (which is still 290.x) i could install for some reason, they got some missing files there i believe. |
| 12:38.43 | Mephisto | i see... |
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| 12:38.49 | Mephisto | well.. i didn't wanna install old one... |
| 12:38.57 | Mephisto | which is 195.x, right? |
| 12:39.05 | Mephisto | besides, new one works just fine. |
| 12:39.23 | jelly | !seen Iridos |
| 12:39.23 | dpkg | iridos <~boo@unaffiliated/iridos> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 20h 10m 14s ago, saying: 'salamand1r, I think you might be missing support for h.265 because the libraries for it aren't installed?'. |
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| 12:39.52 | Mephisto | so you're saying that if i installed the driver from debian repo it wouldn't look for that source folder, right? |
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| 12:40.12 | thewanderer1 | it would most probably use the directory provided by the *-headers package |
| 12:40.30 | Mephisto | aha.... |
| 12:40.31 | Mephisto | i see. |
| 12:41.03 | Mephisto | ok... anyway, i've deleted the biggest folder which was for the made up kernel. That was taking up 5gbs! |
| 12:41.15 | Mephisto | but i left headers folder just in case. It's not big, only 30mb i think. |
| 12:41.32 | thewanderer1 | "make-kpkg clean" can remove all cached object files, but preserve the source |
| 12:41.45 | Mephisto | ah... ok. Let me try. |
| 12:43.35 | Mephisto | thanks for your time |
| 12:43.54 | Mephisto | by the way.. i compiled 2.6.39. That's the end of the line for me. |
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| 12:44.30 | Mephisto | and a zero revision, not 1, 2 or 4... cause somewhere around these i get one that ruins my audio, and that was the one in backports earlier which has been removed. |
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| 12:44.59 | Mephisto | starting from 2.6.39.2 or 3 there's a bug that conflicts with ALSA a bit and makes the outgoing audio scratchy. |
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| 12:45.52 | Mephisto | also, 3.x wouldn't get compiled saying something about lguest thing. I know, in order to go past that i have to turn off paravirtualization or something.. but i didn't bother, cause kernels series 3 also have some audio bug. So 2.6.39 is the best for me. |
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| 12:46.15 | calculon | Hi |
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| 12:51.07 | calculon | I have an idea |
| 12:51.17 | thewanderer1 | Mephisto, 2.6.39 has a remote DoS vulnerability exploitable over an IP network with IGMP packets, not recommended... unless you must :P |
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| 12:51.41 | Mephisto | thewanderer1, oh really... |
| 12:51.51 | Mephisto | thewanderer1, how about 2.6.38? |
| 12:52.25 | thewanderer1 | I am not sure which version it was introduced in - 2.6.36 or 2.6.39, but 2.6.32 is safe |
| 12:53.09 | thewanderer1 | well, maybe there are bugfix releases of 2.6.39 or patches against it - you'd have to check (presumably Backports did deal with it somehow... but maybe they did drop 2.6.39?) |
| 12:53.21 | Mephisto | well... 2.6.32 gives me ACPI errors in dmesg. Not that it ever bothered me, i just didn't wanna see it. I dunno when they got rid of it, but when i installed 2.6.35 it was gone. Same goes for all other later kernels. |
| 12:53.35 | Mephisto | yeah, they dropped both .38 and .39 |
| 12:53.38 | Mephisto | that's why i compiled my own. |
| 12:53.46 | Mephisto | cause there's only 3.2 on backports now which i don't like. |
| 12:53.57 | Mephisto | it kills my audio completely. |
| 12:54.05 | Mephisto | and i don't wanna find out why. There's just no sound. |
| 12:54.43 | Mephisto | i think they never patched it, probably that's the reason why they removed it. |
| 12:55.03 | thewanderer1 | hmm ok, it might be a good idea to look for the patch on your own |
| 12:55.14 | thewanderer1 | anyway, I gotta run off, have fun... |
| 12:55.18 | Mephisto | see ya... |
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| 12:57.07 | manhunter | anyone there? |
| 12:57.15 | Mephisto | maybe |
| 12:57.21 | manhunter | i'm on debian squezee and tried make gcc got error, |
| 12:57.27 | manhunter | i was trying to make from source, |
| 12:57.37 | manhunter | why is this error? http://bpaste.net/show/24660/ |
| 12:57.44 | manhunter | can anyone fix it? |
| 12:59.15 | jelly | manhunter: does it appear even after make clean? |
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| 12:59.31 | jelly | ,versions gcc |
| 12:59.32 | judd | Package: gcc on i386 -- lenny: 4:4.3.2-2; squeeze: 4:4.4.5-1; sid: 4:4.6.2-4; wheezy: 4:4.6.2-4 |
| 12:59.36 | jelly | ,versions gcc-4.6 |
| 12:59.37 | judd | Package: gcc-4.6 on i386 -- wheezy: 4.6.2-12; sid: 4.6.3-1 |
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| 13:00.16 | meta-coder | !kernel |
| 13:00.18 | dpkg | Linux kernel versions, mainline 3: 3.3-rc6 , stable 3.2: 3.2.9 , stable 3.1: 3.1.10 , stable 3.0: 3.0.23 , stable 2.6.33: 2.6.33.20 , stable 2.6.32: 2.6.32.58 , stable 2.6.27: 2.6.27.61 , linux-next: next-20120306 |
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| 13:01.29 | manhunter | jelly: did make clean and make again, have to wait and see |
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| 13:02.37 | zamba | my debian server ran out of disk space while i was away so i wasn't able to fix the problems.. so it basically ran on fumes for several days.. and now the system isn't really working the way it's supposed to anymore.. when trying to reinstall a package like for instance phpldapadmin, i get the following error: E: I wasn't able to locate file for the phpldapadmin package. This might mean you need to manually |
| 13:02.40 | zamba | fix this package. |
| 13:02.42 | zamba | what's wrong? |
| 13:03.36 | Rienzilla | is /var full? |
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| 13:03.54 | zamba | not anymore |
| 13:04.09 | zamba | but it was, yeah |
| 13:04.34 | Rienzilla | i'm not sure what that exact error means, but you could try to throw away your cached archive for apt from /var/ |
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| 13:04.48 | Rienzilla | running apt-get update again, and then see what happens |
| 13:05.56 | DelTree | apt-get -f install can be useful too... |
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| 13:10.15 | mauke | shifty: find . -type d -links 2 ? |
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| 13:20.01 | jelly | zamba: reinstall the package. |
| 13:20.24 | jelly | zamba: verify /var/lib/dpkg/status file is sane, and possibly restore from a backup |
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| 13:25.47 | jjulian | hi is it possible to auth ssh against an ldap without creating a local user and map that user to a local account? like in ldap i create a group ssh-user1 every one in that group can login as the local "user1" |
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| 13:31.48 | Rienzilla | jjulian: hmm, why would you want to do that? |
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| 13:32.55 | Rienzilla | you could, I guess, make user objects in your ldap with the same uid and uidnumber |
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| 13:34.04 | jjulian | we are a company with some hundred users and servers. and we have an ldap. This way it would make it possible to give certain users the same rights. And take them in the same situation away, without affecting any file access and write rules |
| 13:34.08 | kexwork | how can i make squeeze use xscreensaver instead of gnome-screensaver? |
| 13:34.51 | abrotman | jjulian: yes, it happens here, but i don't know the details .. did you ask #ldap or #openldap ? |
| 13:35.08 | jjulian | Rienzilla: i dont want to go through every server, and delete the users after i deleted them from ldap. |
| 13:35.16 | Rienzilla | you don't need to |
| 13:35.17 | jjulian | Rienzilla: thats not what i feel like is ldap for |
| 13:35.32 | Rienzilla | if you add ldap to PAM, changes in the ldap will be in effect uimmediately for all servers |
| 13:35.40 | jjulian | Rienzilla: if pam_ldap creates the user it doesnt delete them as far is i understood the docs |
| 13:35.59 | Rienzilla | pam_ldap does not add a user to the local user database |
| 13:36.06 | Rienzilla | it simply authenticates against an ldap |
| 13:36.25 | jjulian | Rienzilla: and what is the file owner uid then? if the user creates files in e.g. /var/www |
| 13:36.26 | jjulian | ? |
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| 13:36.39 | Rienzilla | it will be the uidNumber-attribute in the ldap |
| 13:36.51 | Rienzilla | (that's the default, at least) |
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| 13:37.39 | abrotman | jjulian: i just loogged into a system here (ldap+radius) .. there's no local user for me |
| 13:37.50 | jjulian | Thats screws the whole system. and it gives me less power over what the user can do. How to distinguish between root like users and normal www users? |
| 13:38.04 | abrotman | gives up .. |
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| 13:38.36 | jjulian | abrotman: but then ive the same problem, user x cant access user y files. |
| 13:38.46 | Rienzilla | jjulian: how does that screw the whole system? |
| 13:39.05 | Rienzilla | if uidNumber is 0, you are root |
| 13:39.09 | Rienzilla | if it's not, you're not root |
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| 13:39.19 | Rienzilla | it works just like yourlocal passwd database, but it's stored in an ldap |
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| 13:39.38 | abrotman | jjulian: i can .. but as i said, i don't know the full details |
| 13:39.43 | jjulian | Rienzilla: User_X has (however) admin rights and creates local files in a lot of folders. He leaves the company. The uid is all over the place on that system. And that screws it for me |
| 13:40.15 | Rienzilla | well, you can opt to give different usernames the same uidNumber I guess |
| 13:40.17 | jjulian | i have then to manually change the owner ship and groups |
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| 13:40.29 | Rienzilla | that's is more or less what you asked for, I think |
| 13:40.42 | jjulian | Rienzilla: i like that idea |
| 13:40.45 | jjulian | :D |
| 13:40.52 | jpinx | or use groups? |
| 13:40.56 | Rienzilla | I don't really like it |
| 13:41.03 | Rienzilla | indeed, using a group is a far better solution |
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| 13:41.30 | jjulian | chmod uid:uid and we have the same problem with groups |
| 13:41.33 | jjulian | chown not chmod |
| 13:41.58 | jpinx | what problem? |
| 13:42.20 | jjulian | user_x with uid 1001 creates files which user_y with uid 1002 cant read / write |
| 13:42.52 | jpinx | jjulian: read up about groups and what members of a group can do |
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| 13:43.33 | jpinx | jjulian: you can configure it s that files are group r/w and then add the relevant users to that group |
| 13:43.42 | jjulian | what about a user creates files in www even with groups apache couldnt read them |
| 13:44.14 | jpinx | jjulian: add whatever you need in that group- |
| 13:44.25 | jpinx | jjulian: do you have something specifically debian related? |
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| 13:44.44 | jpinx | jjulian: if not I suggest you take this to #linux |
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| 13:45.03 | jjulian | hm i think my best way would be: creating a local user1 and sync with python e.g. the public keys from my ldap to the auth_key file |
| 13:45.14 | _Sam-- | hi, for a secuirty scan, the scanner was able to detect what version of debian i was running from i believe an ICMP reply. is that possible, and if so, how can i change what is sent in that reply? |
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| 13:45.34 | Guest35215 | i cant install libapache2-mod-fastcgi "http://pastebin.com/B7pTyNzp" |
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| 13:49.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, tell Guest35215 about non-free |
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| 13:50.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | argh |
| 13:50.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, tell Guest35215 about non-free sources |
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| 13:51.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | Guest35215, it's in non-free |
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| 13:53.04 | Guest35215 | "http://pastebin.com/B7pTyNzp" |
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| 13:53.52 | yogg | Hi |
| 13:53.52 | sweb | debian recommended use ext3 instead ext4 for file systems ? |
| 13:53.53 | babilen | Guest35215: Please show us your sources.list and the output of "apt-cache policy ; apt-cache policy libapache2-mod-fastcgi" |
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| 13:54.18 | jelly | sweb: use ext3 if you don't know any better. |
| 13:54.35 | jpinx | sweb: afaik ext3 is the default |
| 13:55.07 | shifty | mauke: a (belated) thank you for your 'find' command - exactly what I was looking for. |
| 13:55.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | Guest35215 huhu? Anybody home? |
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| 13:55.49 | yogg | I have an debian6 machine with bind9 on it. |
| 13:55.50 | yogg | Sometimes if I make an "rndc reload" bind stops to work. But there is no error in the log file. If I ask the dnsserver with nslookup I get "Got SERVFAIL ..." back. |
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| 13:56.14 | yogg | after "/etc/init.d/bind9 restart" everything works fine |
| 13:56.36 | yogg | is there a known bug with bind9 and "rndc reload"? |
| 13:58.49 | petemc | works for me |
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| 14:00.14 | yogg | it also works for me 90% of the time. but sometimes simple the the server stops working :/ |
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| 14:00.51 | karlpinc | yogg: Anything in the message log? (Like from the oom killer?) |
| 14:01.58 | Guest35215 | whats the mean of hit & Ign |
| 14:02.10 | yogg | karlpinc: no nothing in any log files (syslog, messages, ...) its realy strange |
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| 14:04.00 | karlpinc | yogg: dmesg? |
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| 14:04.41 | yogg | karlpinc: also nothing. I try now to recreate the issue |
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| 14:06.15 | jpinx | yogg: run tail -f /var/log/syslog while you do that |
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| 14:07.12 | yogg | jpinx: yes i have 5 shells oben with different logfiles ^^ but murphys law -> the server runs just fine now -.- |
| 14:07.49 | jpinx | heh |
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| 14:14.30 | chaser12 | Is there a way to make a link appear as a directory? |
| 14:14.47 | jelly | chaser12: what's the use case? |
| 14:14.51 | chaser12 | ie /foo/bar/link/folder |
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| 14:15.27 | jelly | chaser12: yeah. why do you want that, and how does having a symlink to a directory fail to work. |
| 14:15.27 | chaser12 | I just need to be able to access a linked folder as a directory via command line |
| 14:15.36 | jelly | that works. |
| 14:15.58 | chaser12 | when i attempt to cd into it |
| 14:16.21 | chaser12 | it says "/foo/bar/link is not a directory |
| 14:16.40 | jelly | then you have not linked a directory but something else |
| 14:16.43 | chaser12 | where link is the linked folder that works fine from a gui manager |
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| 14:16.59 | abrotman | chaser12: ls -l /foo/bar/link |
| 14:17.05 | jelly | chaser12: can you show a ls -ld /path/to/your/link |
| 14:17.56 | chaser12 | ls -l /data/ldm/gempak |
| 14:17.56 | chaser12 | -rw-r--r--@ 1 tylertanton wheel 519920 Mar 6 08:10 /data/ldm/gempak |
| 14:18.17 | chaser12 | where gempak is a linked folder that works fine from gui. its linked to a server folder |
| 14:18.22 | jelly | chaser12: which Debian release is this? |
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| 14:19.07 | chaser12 | its actually on OSX (the server folder is debian) |
| 14:19.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | I dunno what that is, but that's not a soft-link |
| 14:19.15 | chaser12 | ahhh |
| 14:19.20 | chaser12 | so its an osx problem then? |
| 14:19.28 | jelly | chaser12: best to ask in an OSX channel, that's not a symlink |
| 14:19.33 | Rienzilla | hmm, I have CONCURRENCY=none in /etc/default/rcS. however, when I try to update the old school rcX.d symlinks with update-rc.d, it saus the it's using dependency based boot sequencing and does nog need to modify symlinks |
| 14:19.37 | chaser12 | I was wondering why it wouldnt work… but maybe its an osx inconsistency |
| 14:19.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | symlinks look like this: lrwxrwxrwx 1 k k 5 Mar 6 15:18 tmp -> /tmp/ |
| 14:19.42 | Rienzilla | is that expected behaviour? |
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| 14:21.18 | chaser12 | ln -s target link |
| 14:21.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | at least under gnu/linux - I thought under bsd-likes it was the same |
| 14:21.28 | chaser12 | thats normal syntax right? |
| 14:22.00 | chaser12 | Im gonna try making the link via terminal instead of through the gui |
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| 14:23.32 | hardvision | Hi all, someone have problem with rsyslog module gnutls in Debian 6.0.4 amd64 ? I'm try use rsyslog-gnutls of repository and try compile of source code, but all say this error for me: could not load module '/lib/rsyslog/lmnsd_gtls.so', rsyslog error -2078 |
| 14:23.32 | chaser12 | well moral of the story |
| 14:23.38 | hardvision | sorry my english... |
| 14:23.41 | chaser12 | worked just fine from terminal |
| 14:23.48 | chaser12 | just dont use the Finders gui to do it |
| 14:24.13 | chaser12 | (or dont use OSX at all and we probably wouldnt have this problem) Thanks guys. |
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| 14:24.19 | acu007 | I want to see all the packages installed along with qemu-kvm - what command should I use aptitude ... ? |
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| 14:25.35 | hardvision | acu007, you can use dpkg -l | grep ... |
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| 14:28.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | acu007, there's no way to do exactly what you ask, as multiple dependencies could have led to install a certain package... but you can do apt-cache depends ... if you want to recurse, there'S apt-rdepends in the repo |
| 14:29.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | acu007, you can see what _was_ actually installed along with that package when you installed it in dpkgs log in /var/log/dpkg.log* |
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| 14:30.24 | hardvision | please someone can help me with rsyslog-gnutls in Debian 6.0.4 amd64 ? The module lmnsd_gtls.so dont load... ! |
| 14:30.37 | babilen | acu007: |
| 14:30.42 | yogg | I have now made 50 reloads and some changes in zone files. the problem has appeard one time. but i can't see any errors. And I don't have found a simple way to recreate the issue :/ |
| 14:30.59 | babilen | acu007: Check you logs :) /var/log/dpkg.log /var/log/aptitude et al. |
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| 14:31.45 | nettezzz | servus |
| 14:31.59 | Iridos | I said that! |
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| 14:33.55 | nettezzz | how can i add a preformatted partition to xen ? to just mount it .. if i did 'phy:/dev/sata_raid/cifs0,xvdb,w' it considers dev/sata_raid/cifs0 as a unformatted block device identified as /dev/xvdb but not as ext3 partition |
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| 14:36.48 | Iridos | hardvision, there's no bugs reported for that http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?archive=both;package=rsyslog-gnutls |
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| 14:43.01 | hardvision | Iridos, very strange, because I receive this message when start rsyslog with module gnutls: rsyslogd-2068: could not load module '/usr/lib/rsyslog/lmnsd_gtls.so', rsyslog error -2078 |
| 14:43.02 | hardvision | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:44.58 | hatoon | cler |
| 14:45.01 | hatoon | clear |
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| 14:45.36 | Iridos | all clear, sir |
| 14:45.45 | Iridos | hardvision, be the first to write a bug report... |
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| 14:48.29 | Iridos | hardvision, well, there's more here http://lists.adiscon.net/pipermail/rsyslog/2011-April/013265.html http://lists.adiscon.net/pipermail/rsyslog/2011-April/013263.html http://lists.adiscon.net/pipermail/rsyslog/2011-April/013264.html |
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| 14:49.18 | Almtesh | Hi! |
| 14:49.33 | Almtesh | I want to reset phonon's configuration. |
| 14:49.39 | Almtesh | Here can I do this? |
| 14:49.51 | tallhamper | check in /etc |
| 14:49.57 | tallhamper | maybe phonon.conf? |
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| 14:50.33 | Almtesh | tallhamper, neither. |
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| 14:50.51 | babilen | !tell Almtesh -about confnew |
| 14:50.56 | Iridos | bah |
| 14:51.44 | Iridos | Almtesh, mind there can be configuration files in $HOME/ which the package system will never touch |
| 14:52.18 | babilen | Almtesh: Now you only need to know which packages to reinstall -- I am not familiar with Phonon though and simply don't know which these might be. It might also be the case that KDE saves user specific configuration and that you have to tinker with your ~/.kde (or similar directories/data) |
| 14:52.21 | acu007 | babilen hardvision CutMeOwnThroat - thanks they are all cool - however there is an easier way to see all the dependencies - be right back - thanks guys |
| 14:52.32 | Almtesh | Iridos, that's what I'm looking for. |
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| 14:54.49 | wlightning | how do I find out just the packages I have selected (and not their dependencies) |
| 14:54.51 | wlightning | ? |
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| 14:57.05 | Iridos | Almtesh, you can guess at the name and just delete/move those config files... if you can't find it, I guess you can strace whatever program you run and see what files it accesses in $HOME... like strace -f -e open <yourprogram> 2>&1 |grep $HOME |less |
| 14:57.08 | hardvision | Iridos, interesting ! appear this is bug of gnutls ! |
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| 14:59.31 | Almtesh | Iridos, it's about phonon, I don't even know how this is launched. |
| 14:59.59 | Iridos | me neither! |
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| 15:00.25 | Almtesh | babilen, I try your advice, does not work. |
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| 15:01.04 | Iridos | perhaps, if you say what the <real problem> is, we can give you advice on that |
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| 15:01.20 | Almtesh | Iridos, there's no process called phonon in the process list. |
| 15:01.47 | Almtesh | The real problem is that I was supernumary devices in the config. |
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| 15:01.50 | Iridos | I'm also not sure it has config files in the user dir |
| 15:01.59 | Almtesh | Phonon tries to use it and cannot. |
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| 15:05.30 | Iridos | why should there be devices in the config files |
| 15:06.37 | Almtesh | How can I |
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| 15:06.56 | Almtesh | How can I remove from Phonon a device I cannot select? |
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| 15:07.11 | Iridos | I guess you use it via xine? |
| 15:07.13 | Almtesh | The device is a bluetooth A2DP device. |
| 15:07.28 | Almtesh | No. |
| 15:07.43 | Almtesh | GStreamer. |
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| 15:07.53 | Almtesh | And VLC in rescue. |
| 15:08.08 | Almtesh | Xine is not used anymore but phonon. |
| 15:08.22 | Iridos | and that bluetooth device survives reboots? |
| 15:08.35 | Almtesh | What do you meant? |
| 15:08.39 | Almtesh | *mean |
| 15:09.00 | Iridos | I mean you haven't got that device connected, but it's still selected after a reboot? |
| 15:09.18 | Iridos | btw. for gstreamer, there's /usr/bin/gstreamer-properties |
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| 15:12.49 | nkuttler | any recommendations for document indexing? pdf and txt would be a good start |
| 15:14.34 | Iridos | huh? |
| 15:14.35 | wlightning | well I'm closer, I've got the inverse... `apt-mark showauto` shows me what has automatically been installed |
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| 15:16.06 | Iridos | wlightning, aptitude search -F '%100p' '~i!~M' |
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| 15:17.39 | Edifier | Almtesh，http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phonon_(KDE) |
| 15:18.01 | Iridos | wlightning, yes. do not ask. |
| 15:18.23 | wlightning | Iridos, lol... as long as it works =) |
| 15:18.44 | Iridos | aptitude search syntax is in /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README feel free to check up |
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| 15:19.10 | Almtesh | Edifier, I knwo what is Phonon. |
| 15:19.16 | wlightning | Iridos, still got a lot more packages than I expected, but I suspect that's because debian installer installs dependencies without marking them auto |
| 15:19.46 | Iridos | well, if you install a lib it's "manual", not "auto" |
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| 15:21.02 | WinstonSmith | hi #debian. looking for a testing live cd, can't find one. looked in http://live.debian.net/, the {daily|weekly|monthly}-builds are all empty. any ideas? thanks |
| 15:21.52 | wlightning | ah yeah, well build-deps would prolly do that eh? |
| 15:22.10 | wlightning | wow.. grammer fail.. =(.. I'm fired |
| 15:22.34 | Iridos | WinstonSmith, no idea. But you could ask #debian-live on irc.debian.org. |
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| 15:22.51 | WinstonSmith | Iridos: thanks! will do |
| 15:22.58 | Iridos | wlightning, oh yes - all -dev packages you install via apt-get build-dep are "manual" |
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| 15:24.52 | Iridos | dpkg, tell wlightning about deborphan |
| 15:25.04 | Iridos | also look at debfoster factoid |
| 15:25.17 | Iridos | use with care |
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| 15:25.30 | Mephisto | can anyone tell me how to rename for example sda2 to sda3? |
| 15:25.31 | DrNoboto | i have libfltk installed but i get this: |
| 15:25.32 | DrNoboto | libfltk_gl.so.1.3 => not found |
| 15:25.33 | DrNoboto | libfltk.so.1.3 => not found |
| 15:26.08 | DelTree | Mephisto: you would have to change your partitionning... |
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| 15:26.20 | Mephisto | DelTree, are you sure? |
| 15:26.32 | Mephisto | DelTree, well, let's say i wanna do it. How do i do it? |
| 15:26.42 | DrNoboto | i installed libfltk1.3, libfltk1.3-dev, and libfltk-gl1.3 |
| 15:27.09 | DelTree | Mephisto: first thing first... why do you want to have sda3 instead of sda2 ? |
| 15:27.47 | Mephisto | DelTree, NTFS partition which is the largest and it occupies the rest of the drive, meaning it's the last standing one. |
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| 15:27.56 | Mephisto | i want it to be properly marked. |
| 15:28.12 | unkmar | so, um. Sound !!! |
| 15:28.14 | Mephisto | but it's sda2 now, and the 2nd partition, which is ntfs too, but with windows on it is marked as sda3 |
| 15:28.19 | Mephisto | get it |
| 15:28.21 | Mephisto | ? |
| 15:28.41 | Mephisto | 1st partition is ext4 with linux. |
| 15:28.59 | Mephisto | in the beginning it was fine actually, cause i created those one by one |
| 15:29.00 | unkmar | Mephisto: which windows? XP, vista, 7, 8? |
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| 15:29.15 | DrNoboto | i think the binary is ia32 and i'm trying to run it under an amd64 kernel |
| 15:29.20 | Mephisto | but later i tried openSUSE and it shuffled it somehow. Then i got back on Debian, it's still shuffled |
| 15:29.22 | Mephisto | XP |
| 15:29.25 | Mephisto | but what does it matter? |
| 15:29.34 | DrNoboto | is there somewhere else i should ask about this |
| 15:29.39 | DrNoboto | is there a linker channel? |
| 15:29.49 | DrNoboto | or is this a debian-specific thing |
| 15:29.52 | unkmar | It would be nice if programs could switch sound cards without restarting the programs. |
| 15:30.18 | somiaj | DrNoboto: the amd64 kernels should have 32bit support, so I don't see what the kernel has to do there with running a 32bit binary. Are you running a 32bit or 64bit system? |
| 15:30.27 | DrNoboto | 64 bit system |
| 15:30.38 | DrNoboto | there seem to be some libraries that differ |
| 15:30.48 | unkmar | Mephisto: the file system for vista, 7, and 8 have changed things slightly. I'm not sure at what point they will or have changed the NTFS flag to a different set of bits. |
| 15:30.51 | somiaj | then you need the 32bit libaries to run a 32bit binary DrNoboto |
| 15:31.03 | Mephisto | hm |
| 15:31.06 | somiaj | DrNoboto: many of the libaries are in packages like lib32 or ia32 |
| 15:31.06 | Mephisto | ok, well it's XP. |
| 15:31.27 | unkmar | Yeah, that would is still firmly marked as NTFS. |
| 15:31.28 | DrNoboto | somiaj: i have ia32-libs installed |
| 15:31.35 | somiaj | Mephisto: what is wrong with the names of the partitions...really I don't see the point why you need to install this |
| 15:31.47 | Mephisto | somiaj, i don't need to install anything |
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| 15:31.54 | unkmar | Oh, names? As in Labels? Not a bit label thing? |
| 15:32.16 | DrNoboto | libfltk and libfltk_gl are the issues |
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| 15:32.30 | unkmar | Would be nice to be ABLE to change the lables. My last attempt wanted me to reformat the partition just to change the label. A bit overkill I think. |
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| 15:32.54 | somiaj | DrNoboto: not all libaries have nicely packed 32bit versions. In some rare cases you will need to goto packages.debian.org and download the 32bit lib, manually extract the package and copy the libs to /usr/lib32 -- though you can also use that page to make sure those libs aren't packaged for 32bit first |
| 15:32.55 | Mephisto | depends what you call a label |
| 15:32.57 | DrNoboto | 'locate libfltk' tells me they're in /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/ though |
| 15:33.00 | Mephisto | it's more like a system mark |
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| 15:33.21 | Mephisto | i know that i can change it by deleting all partitions and creating them again |
| 15:33.24 | Mephisto | but i really don't wanna do that |
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| 15:33.27 | somiaj | Mephisto: not install, but why do you want to change the label names? Why not either use uuids or just tell your system the correct names of the partition. |
| 15:33.30 | DrNoboto | somiaj: cool, i'll try that |
| 15:33.32 | DrNoboto | thanks |
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| 15:33.52 | somiaj | DrNoboto: yea unless a package explicity says its a 32bit lib, they will all be 64 bit libs on a 64 bit system |
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| 15:34.00 | Mephisto | somiaj, i just want them to be marked in ascending order, not randomly |
| 15:34.10 | unkmar | somiaj: I'll ignore the WHY's for my on personally very sound reasons. |
| 15:34.16 | Mephisto | it's weird that 2nd partition is marked as sda3, but the 3rd one is sda2 |
| 15:34.35 | somiaj | Mephisto: can you put the output of 'fdisk -l /dev/sda' on a pastebin. |
| 15:34.40 | Mephisto | sure. |
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| 15:34.49 | zartug | since a few weeks, video output stutters sporadically ( ~ once per minute) regardless of what media player I use ((s)mplayer(2), vlc...). It's a ThinkPad T510 with i5 CPU and onboard graphics |
| 15:34.58 | zartug | any idea? |
| 15:35.12 | Rienzilla | hmm, I have a debian system which hangs on boot while starting NFS-common (statd, to be precise) |
| 15:35.31 | Mephisto | http://pastebin.com/ugNK9Brx |
| 15:35.32 | Rienzilla | It will hang forever and so the system will not come up, unless I break it off with ^c |
| 15:35.39 | Rienzilla | any idea what would cause that? |
| 15:35.44 | Mephisto | here it shows good order, but it's not correct actually. and check the sizes too. |
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| 15:35.58 | Mephisto | sda2 is bigger and it should go last and be named sda3. |
| 15:36.00 | unkmar | Mephisto: Oh that deal problem? I kind of think that is a your fault. I always felt that was weird to. but I can see you appearently created the sda2 before the sda3 even though your sda3 is digitally closer to track 0. |
| 15:36.30 | Mephisto | unkmar, again, i created those normally one by one and it was fine. It happened later when i installed opensuse and it shuffled it. |
| 15:36.36 | Mephisto | unkmar, now i want to bring it back |
| 15:36.41 | Iridos | DrNoboto, well, check the binary with "file" instead of speculating |
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| 15:37.09 | unkmar | Mephisto: strange. I haven't gone that far before. |
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| 15:37.14 | Mephisto | unkmar, http://89.28.122.14:8080/Screenshot.png |
| 15:37.20 | Mephisto | unkmar, now here you can see how it REALLY is. |
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| 15:38.12 | Mephisto | unkmar, actually, that has already happened to me once, but i managed to fix it accidentally by deleting both partitions with linux and windows and re-creating them. |
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| 15:38.22 | Mephisto | unkmar, now it's kinda stuck, i can't reproduce it. |
| 15:39.30 | Mephisto | it should be easily fixed actually, i just dunno how. |
| 15:39.39 | Trewas | Mephisto: does it actually matter at all? you'll be using the partitions by whatever names you mount them with, so whatever /dev/sdx is pretty irrelevant, no? |
| 15:39.39 | unkmar | Mephisto: so Data is being seen as sda2? |
| 15:39.45 | somiaj | I'd still suggest you just leave the partition table alone if the onlything is the order it is written so it gives the devices names you don't like. you can use UUIDs to uniquly idenitfy the partitions so that order shouldnt matter. |
| 15:40.26 | Mephisto | it will still matter for disk utility. UUID doesn't change ALL actually. Some things still use sda* thing. |
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| 15:41.30 | unkmar | Look Mephisto you have a quirky annoyance I would probably just shake my head, Complain a little, and then walk away frustrated. So... Get to that point. |
| 15:41.49 | Mephisto | :) |
| 15:42.16 | unkmar | And yes, it stinks that things are out of order. I agree that logically the 2nd partition should be seen as sda2 not sda3. |
| 15:42.37 | Edifier | Mephisto, can you send out the 70G`png? |
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| 15:42.56 | unkmar | You have plenty of utilities that assist in revealing the truth in the layout. You can easily locate and identify the strange things and move along with little annoyance. |
| 15:42.57 | Mephisto | Edifier, second partition? |
| 15:43.25 | Edifier | Mephisto, yes,the 70G partition |
| 15:43.30 | Mephisto | ok, hang on |
| 15:43.34 | unkmar | Mephisto: Move along, These are not the droids you are looking for. :) |
| 15:43.56 | Mephisto | unkmar, listen man.. would you relax? :) |
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| 15:44.13 | Mephisto | Edifier, http://89.28.122.14:8080/Screenshot-1.png |
| 15:44.23 | unkmar | Now that have almost completely ignored your problem... Lets focus on me. I'm more important. :P |
| 15:44.34 | Mephisto | thank you) |
| 15:44.52 | val__ | What command is used to unmount /dev sda |
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| 15:45.37 | Iridos | well, I still don't see why anyone would care if it's called sda2 or sda3 |
| 15:45.39 | somiaj | Mephisto: google is powerful. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1192598 |
| 15:45.45 | Iridos | so yes, lets move on :) |
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| 15:45.59 | somiaj | Mephisto: look at the outout of 'sfdisk -d /dev/sda' (you can even put that on a pastebin if you like) |
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| 15:46.24 | somiaj | Mephisto: that page shows you a way you can take that output, reorder it to be correct and the rewrite the parttion table if you really want to (note doing things like this has a chance of loosing all your data so back stuff up) |
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| 15:46.44 | Mephisto | somiaj, hm... |
| 15:46.50 | Mephisto | somiaj, i think i'll refrain then. |
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| 15:47.07 | Mephisto | thanks for your time |
| 15:47.10 | unkmar | Iridos: I do, and it irks the heck out of me. Of course I'd just make a mental note that things don't look right and move along knowing they work fine that way. So what if the muffler hangs low. It ain't dragging the ground and still muffles the exhaust. :) |
| 15:47.49 | Mephisto | Iridos, i want things to be accurate out of principle. Ok? :) |
| 15:47.51 | unkmar | Mephisto: that is EXACTLY why he was strongly suggesting to leave the table alone. |
| 15:47.56 | Mephisto | Iridos, consider it my mental prob. |
| 15:47.57 | Iridos | Rienzilla, impossible to tell from what you said. Look at your logs (dmesg, /var/log/messages, anything else that comes to mind in /var/log). See if you can reproduce if you start it manually after the boot |
| 15:48.10 | somiaj | Mephisto: that instruction set looks fairly straight forward and I think it should work, I'm just saying messing with a partition table has a chance. Since I have never done it I had to put a disclaimer. |
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| 15:48.20 | Mephisto | unkmar, i know the dangers, i just thought it wouldn't be harmful since it could easily change back by itself somehow. |
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| 15:48.29 | unkmar | It's like a free bleeder picking at a scab. Not a good idea. |
| 15:48.33 | Mephisto | ok, thanks. I'll look it up. |
| 15:48.33 | somiaj | Mephisto: but yes it does seem there is an order you get from the way the partition table is written and you can change it if you like |
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| 15:49.06 | skilz | Hey I have a USB2.0 500GB drive, can I just turn it off via the switch or should I unmount it first? |
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| 15:49.19 | unkmar | skilz: umount |
| 15:49.20 | Iridos | Mephisto, mental problems are off-topic on #debian ;) |
| 15:49.54 | Mephisto | Iridos, well then, i'd say that whatever people say here is off-topic, cause using linux is already a bit disturbing ;) |
| 15:50.06 | unkmar | skilz: flushes any writes that haven't be pushed out yet. Properly closes up the file system. |
| 15:50.23 | skilz | Okay thanks buddy. |
| 15:50.28 | Iridos | I find it by far less disturbing than windows... but we can continue discussing that on #debian-offtopic |
| 15:50.35 | Mephisto | sure. |
| 15:50.56 | Edifier | skilz,just sync,and power off |
| 15:51.18 | skilz | Edifier, Sync? |
| 15:51.24 | Edifier | yes |
| 15:51.31 | skilz | wtf is that? |
| 15:51.42 | Edifier | skilz,sync,to avoid loss data |
| 15:51.51 | ksk | 16:50 < unkmar> skilz: flushes any writes that haven't be pushed out yet. Properly closes up the file system. |
| 15:52.26 | skilz | I've never heard of sync before, but I know what umount is if that's what you're talking about. |
| 15:52.31 | somiaj | though unmount first would be my suggestion, that would still leave a now dead mountpoint laying around. |
| 15:53.08 | somiaj | skilz: unmount syncs before it removes the mountpoint. sync just forces the cache to be written to the disk (the main reason you need to unmount/safely remove a usb drive first) |
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| 15:53.41 | skilz | Okay somiaj, thanks for the clarification. |
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| 15:54.03 | unkmar | It would be nice for sound card switching to be more convenient. |
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| 15:54.58 | somiaj | unkmar: yes it would. Because if you use a simple .asoundrc to change the default device you loose dmix by default. |
| 15:55.04 | somiaj | well with alsa, haven't messed with pulse |
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| 15:55.05 | Trewas | unkmar: it actually is with pulseaudio, one of the few things it is good for |
| 15:55.11 | Iridos | it would be nice to be rich and famous and have a beautiful wife and possibly some kids (that are perfect kids and don't go on your nerves, too, none less) |
| 15:55.15 | Iridos | so your point was? |
| 15:55.16 | unkmar | I have 2. The builtin and the USB headset. Using .asoundrc I can easily choose which one I want at the moment. However, the apps have to be restarted to take effect, per app. |
| 15:56.13 | Iridos | unkmar, a lot of programs will allow you to choose the sound device... |
| 15:56.24 | unkmar | Trewas: <opinion>pulse is a horrible</opinion> |
| 15:56.36 | Iridos | often will even automatically reverse to the remaining one when you unplug the device |
| 15:56.41 | Iridos | a horrible what? |
| 15:56.54 | Trewas | unkmar: yet changing the soundcard on the fly with it is trivial, don't whine when there are working solutions to your problems :) |
| 15:57.17 | unkmar | Trewas: pulse is not a solution. It is a bigger problem. |
| 15:58.00 | unkmar | I lose all my individual controls. PCM seperate from master and so forth. that matters in some cases. Matters a lot. |
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| 15:58.52 | unkmar | I'm using linux not a Mac. Sorry, I don't want things that OVERLY dumbed down, simplified. |
| 15:59.06 | Trewas | unkmar: or working, but do as you like :) |
| 15:59.34 | unkmar | My current system works, I would like something even Better. |
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| 16:00.49 | unkmar | I can change it in .asoundrc and then restart the app. I can't simply change it. Stop playing the media in VLC or whatever and then start it again. Must restart the app so that it Again reads what default is. |
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| 16:01.39 | unkmar | Iridos: and each program has it hidden in its own strange configuration location completely different from everyone else. Induhvidually laid out. |
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| 16:02.06 | Iridos | skilz, mind that when sync exits that doesn't guarantee that everything is written... that's why programs used to call sync three times in a row |
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| 16:03.56 | unkmar | So, I'm not asking for help or an immediate solution. More of a suggestion for someone at some point to possibly resolve. Not even sure WHO needs to fix it. Cause, It appears to be an app by app deal. :/ I think it may be an app my app problem. Fix it in firefox and still have problems with chrome and vlc and ... well, you get the idea. |
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| 16:04.30 | Iridos | in vlc... press ctrl-P, choose another sound device? |
| 16:05.15 | unkmar | Iridos: Really? I press ctrl-P and then scratch my head. |
| 16:05.19 | Iridos | and well, you were pointed to pulse... that's _the_ program-independent solution... if you don't like it... I dunno |
| 16:05.26 | Iridos | unkmar, and does that work as well? |
| 16:06.42 | Iridos | perhaps you run vlc-nox for some reason |
| 16:06.43 | unkmar | Iridos: I don't see WHERE to change the sound device in that anywhere. |
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| 16:07.45 | Rienzilla | Iridos: I found the cause. The loopback-interface was not up |
| 16:07.48 | Iridos | well.. where it says "audio" on the left? Choose alsa audio output, and a device-tab appears |
| 16:08.02 | Iridos | Rienzilla, \o/ |
| 16:08.06 | Rienzilla | but, I wonder if it should be considered a bug that statd just keeps hanging in that case |
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| 16:08.32 | Iridos | Rienzilla, how long did you wait? Probably there's a timeout that is just... generous? |
| 16:09.12 | unkmar | Iridos: I see Output module and no many how many times I change it, It doesn't take effect. It might AFTER I restart VLC and well... That is back to the original frustration. |
| 16:09.25 | Iridos | no |
| 16:09.50 | Iridos | I switch from "default" to "ALSA audio output" and immediately a new drop-down menu appears |
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| 16:10.57 | unkmar | Iridos: I'm running squeeze. so.... Different version of VLC? |
| 16:11.04 | Iridos | surely not |
| 16:11.22 | unkmar | VLC v1.1.3 |
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| 16:11.46 | Iridos | ii vlc 1.1.3-1squeeze6 ii vlc-data 1.1.3-1squeeze6 ii vlc-nox 1.1.3-1squeeze6 |
| 16:12.06 | Iridos | from dpkg -l vlc\* |
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| 16:13.19 | unkmar | well, I don't get any extra dropdowns. Just says Pulseaudio and doesn't let me choose my output. |
| 16:13.38 | unkmar | Oops. |
| 16:14.08 | unkmar | Iridos: Where is that cake. I'll have a bite, its bound to taste better than my mistakes. |
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| 16:14.41 | unkmar | Iridos: Thank you. |
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| 16:15.17 | unkmar | One app down. 3+ to go. |
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| 16:16.40 | ward_ | how can i get ssh x11 forwarding working, please? i accidentally removed .Xauthority (for the wrong user) |
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| 16:17.09 | karlpinc | ward_: You tried ssh -Y? |
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| 16:18.50 | ward_ | karlpinc, hold on i had another mistake lol |
| 16:18.50 | Iridos | unkmar, may I point out I also only looked for that option in vlc (which I nearly never use) |
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| 16:20.02 | unkmar | Iridos: I looked for it, Attempted it and... somehow kept choosing PulseAudio installed of Alsa. :/ |
| 16:20.21 | unkmar | *Instead of |
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| 16:21.47 | unkmar | Iridos: the other programs I use are iceweasel and chrome. I don't think I'll find Audio options in those programs. |
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| 16:24.59 | ward_ | karlpinc, yeah everything worsk now sorry.. |
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| 16:25.36 | ward_ | karlpinc, i use putty from a iwndows machine to connect, and forgot to start xming (x server for windows, needed for putty's X11 option) |
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| 16:37.34 | cracka | is there a prefered package for SMART drive monitoring? |
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| 16:43.07 | klawd | hi! |
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| 16:43.16 | klawd | is there a way to set a default chmod and or chown for a user? |
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| 16:44.05 | cracka | klawd, you could alias the chmod you'd like in ~/.bash_aliases |
| 16:44.09 | nathwill | umask in /etc/profile will do it i believe klawd |
| 16:44.36 | klawd | ill try, thanks |
| 16:44.46 | nathwill | either that or in /etc/skel/.bashrc |
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| 16:45.42 | klawd | the thing is: i have someone here working on a webproject and i'd like to have his files be user.www-data with chmod 775 |
| 16:45.45 | klawd | is that possible? |
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| 16:46.52 | Orphis | Hi ! I'm trying to set the hostname of some of my debian machine by DHCP |
| 16:47.24 | nathwill | klawd, i think it's possible, but may be problematic |
| 16:47.25 | Orphis | My DHCP server properly sends the option host-name (I see it in the lease in /var/lib/dhcp), but the hostname isn't updated |
| 16:47.58 | klawd | nathwill: is it possible out of the box is the question ;) |
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| 16:48.02 | Orphis | Also, my DHCP client has "request host-name" in it's configuration |
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| 16:48.12 | nathwill | klawd: umask 0002 would deal with the perms |
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| 16:48.22 | Orphis | What should I do to make it work ? |
| 16:48.23 | nathwill | not sure how you'd set a default group :/ |
| 16:48.34 | Orphis | (and I've removed /etc/hostname too) |
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| 16:51.03 | klawd | nathwill: usermod -g group user :D |
| 16:51.17 | Iridos | nathwill, /etc/skel/.bashrc is what is copied into a users home directory when a new user is created... it won't influence existing users |
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| 16:51.29 | klawd | nathwill: where do i set the umask? the user won't login via bash, will just use sftp |
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| 16:52.04 | nathwill | Iridos, profile is sourced for non-login shells, yes? |
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| 16:53.23 | djcb | i'm trying to boot into sid from a 1TB hd |
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| 16:53.45 | djcb | but somehow it can't be found by the bios or whatever |
| 16:54.10 | djcb | i can however boot from cdrom and then do 'boot from hard disk' |
| 16:54.25 | Iridos | hmm, no, profile is only read for login-shells. Interactive shells read /etc/bash.bashrc and ~/.bashrc |
| 16:54.25 | djcb | which has flags "bios_grub" |
| 16:54.42 | djcb | any hints? |
| 16:54.56 | valdyn | djcb: look into your bios |
| 16:55.01 | Iridos | klawd, what is providing the sftp access... you probably can configure umask in that programs configuratin files |
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| 16:55.20 | djcb | valdyn: i did :) what should i look for? |
| 16:55.45 | valdyn | djcb: you should set that harddisk as primary boot device or secondary after the cdrom |
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| 16:56.27 | djcb | i think i have that - could there be anything else? |
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| 16:56.39 | valdyn | djcb: there cant be anything else |
| 16:56.43 | klawd | Iridos: good call, ill check that |
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| 16:57.20 | djcb | valdyn: okay, will reboot and check... thanks. |
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| 16:58.16 | Iridos | klawd, also look in /etc/security |
| 16:58.41 | klawd | will do, thanks |
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| 16:59.51 | kreign | hi folks, I'm having a problem installing debian 6 from netinst installer CD. It keeps claiming I've got bad archive mirrors and I can't use any of them, eg. ftp.debian.org or the kernel.org. What might i be able to do to fix this? |
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| 17:01.37 | karlpinc | klawd: Check the pam configs too, it might be there. |
| 17:02.07 | karlpinc | kreign: Are you behind some sort of firewall or http proxy? |
| 17:03.09 | DrNoboto | Iridos: i meant that i know the binary is ia32 ;) |
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| 17:07.27 | tremon | kreign: iirc, it also says "bad archive" when there is no network connection at all |
| 17:08.28 | kreign | tremon, ctl-alt-F# should switch VTs, right? |
| 17:08.51 | Mephisto | ok, question: |
| 17:08.53 | tremon | yes, 2&3 are shells and 4 is logging |
| 17:09.27 | tremon | you can use alt-F# when already in a terminal btw |
| 17:09.37 | Mephisto | though someone has tried to explain it to me earlier, but i still don't quite get it. How to get rid of the kernel sources after compilation so other things wouldn't depend on it anymore, like virtualbox and video driver? |
| 17:09.49 | Mephisto | what's the best way? |
| 17:10.29 | kreign | tremon, any idea if the installer has anything akin to 'ping'? |
| 17:11.24 | tremon | kreign: other than just trying it, no |
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| 17:12.39 | phretor | what's the default per-user ulimit in debian testing? |
| 17:12.49 | djcb | valdyn: it worked, but it was in fact the UEFI-setting |
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| 17:16.29 | DrNoboto | somiaj: thanks, that worked |
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| 17:27.44 | f4stra | aanyone know if the page source of the a google results page gives you the URLs of the ten results it gives you? ctrl+f then typing their addresses doesnt wor |
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| 17:29.54 | g105b | I've messed up the permissions of my home directory so now git is "Unable to determine absolute path of git directory" and @ WARNING: UNPROTECTED PRIVATE KEY FILE! @ |
| 17:29.55 | kreign | embarassing. I had the cable unplugged. |
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| 17:31.28 | NiveusLuna | Does Debian use any form of Mandatory Access Control by default? (AppArmor, SELinux, anything else that might be out there) |
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| 17:32.53 | karlpinc | kreign: FYI, you can use a vt in the installer to see logs and get a shell to ping etc. |
| 17:32.59 | karlpinc | !tell kreign about vt |
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| 17:33.51 | karlpinc | NiveusLuna: Not by default, SELinux is there but you have to turn it on. |
| 17:34.14 | NiveusLuna | Debian really *is* "stability > *", then. |
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| 17:34.46 | NiveusLuna | Not that I mind. I'm just used to Fedora/CentOS, where disabling SELinux is considered really, really stupid. |
| 17:35.04 | NiveusLuna | also where a firewall ships by default. *shrug* |
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| 17:36.26 | jhutchins_wk | Debian assumes a better informed userbase. |
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| 17:36.50 | NiveusLuna | *nod* I have noticed that. |
| 17:36.54 | tsccof | and it's wonderful that it does |
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| 17:37.15 | NiveusLuna | I agree. |
| 17:37.31 | NiveusLuna | Then you get its most popular derivative, Ubuntu... which assumes the opposite. >_> |
| 17:37.44 | NiveusLuna | sighs |
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| 17:38.27 | tsccof | NiveusLuna: think about all the good things Ubuntu has to offer to GNU/Linux in general |
| 17:38.43 | NiveusLuna | a broader userbase. An introduction to UNIX. |
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| 17:39.23 | tsccof | NiveusLuna: exactly! A good way for the average end-user to manager software(software centre) |
| 17:39.38 | NiveusLuna | I don't mind that Ubuntu exists. I mind how it takes everything the F/OSS community has to offer, perverts it, and gives very little back. |
| 17:39.46 | tsccof | on the other hand, I've seen some people bashing Linux in general because ubuntu wasn't really stable |
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| 17:40.02 | NiveusLuna | Ubuntu is a great idea, don't get me wrong. I just think it's executed badly. |
| 17:40.05 | tsccof | then I bashed them back, and they shut it |
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| 17:40.16 | tsccof | NiveusLuna: yeah, I have to agree with you there |
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| 17:40.29 | somiaj | NiveusLuna: that is the linux desktop in general, ubuntu is just one of many places on its forefront. |
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| 17:41.27 | tsccof | somiaj: Fedora is much better from a technical perspective than Ubuntu is |
| 17:41.40 | tsccof | somiaj: not sure if we are talking about the same things, though |
| 17:41.53 | NiveusLuna | I'm also not joking when I say that the developers of a certain multimedia program I won't name considered changing the license at one point to be "licensed to everyone except Ubuntu, because they don't help us improve our software and in fact make it worse." |
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| 17:42.29 | NiveusLuna | needless to say, I love Fedora's policy of always offering any and all patches to upstream. |
| 17:42.36 | somiaj | tsccof: Yea, but even debian does certain things to keep up with the linux desktop, which eventally makes it into the core. And yes i was talking about fedora and suse |
| 17:42.55 | NiveusLuna | I need to use OpenSUSE more, see if it's as great as people say it is. |
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| 17:43.22 | tsccof | somiaj: certainly, but don't you agree that debian offers a neatly integrated way of doing such things? |
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| 17:44.06 | tsccof | Ubuntu seems to be on an eternal hush |
| 17:44.13 | tsccof | and that compromises its stability |
| 17:44.23 | tsccof | and the system is bloated, I'd never run it anywhere |
| 17:44.39 | somiaj | tsccof: oh I like debian and think it is the sanest of all the binary distros, but it can only resist the linux desktop push so much. I just hope it is enough push to keep the linux desktop from taking over the path of developing the linux core. |
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| 17:45.40 | tsccof | somiaj: well, the kernel guys have said they would like to keep userspace stuff in userspace for as long as possible, if not for ever |
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| 17:46.42 | tsccof | I agree with NiveusLuna, I see no excuse for Ubuntu's buggy and bloated way of development, but they must be congratulated for all the good things they give to the entire GNU/Linux family |
| 17:47.21 | zykotick9 | tsccof: from my perspective, Ubuntu seems to give little, and take much |
| 17:47.31 | somiaj | tsccof: yea I'm one of those who has a dbus, consolekit, policykit, and so on fobia and don't want them on my system. I still run fvwm (been running it for almost 12 years now for that reason). Though my biggest issue is with google and chromium (my webbrowser of choice but I'm stuck with dbus if I want to install it) |
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| 17:49.16 | tsccof | zykotick9: probably true, yes, but I think we can benefit from some stuff, this is the great thing about open source |
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| 17:49.54 | zykotick9 | s/open source/free software/ and ubuntu isn't exactly "free software" friendly |
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| 17:50.12 | themill | points towards #debian-offtopic |
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| 17:51.10 | tsccof | zykotick9: first one is subjective, second one is true |
| 17:51.26 | phretor | bash: ulimit: open files: cannot modify limit: Operation not permitted |
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| 17:52.33 | tsccof | themill: getting a little silent here, ah, nothing like stopping a good conversation :) |
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| 17:56.09 | somiaj | so any suggestion on a place to go try to figure out my wireless woes....I still think it is the RTL8188CE chipset, but can't figure out why it works just fine on small networks, but won't work on large networks with multiple AP's (such as the university network i'm on now). Here is the output of iwconfig, http://paste.debian.net/158798/, the wireless card is assoicated with the correct network, but I cannot get dhclient to actually get a DH |
| 17:57.04 | phretor | I've set the hard/soft nofile limits for my user into /etc/security/limits.conf but ulimits -n keeps displaying the default value (1024): Any clue? |
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| 17:57.51 | _Sam-- | hi, can anyone give any good tips for things i could do that would help to eliminate device fingerprinting of my server based on tcp packets (besides firewall all the ports im not using) ? |
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| 18:01.06 | ksk | _Sam--: why should you need that? |
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| 18:02.19 | _Sam-- | ksk: because security scanners (and other things) are able to determine im on debian 5.0 from a simple scan likely of some tcp port |
| 18:02.28 | _Sam-- | id like to keep what im running to myself. |
| 18:02.34 | ksk | oh shit, they know you use debian |
| 18:02.42 | _Sam-- | and an outdated version. |
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| 18:02.58 | cracka | jhutchins_wk thanks Ill check it out, im also trying to figure out if there would be a conflict with my ZFS kernel module |
| 18:03.15 | ksk | i dont think you can hide. you will only get more unique |
| 18:03.27 | teratoma | _Sam--: unplug yourself from the Internet |
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| 18:03.52 | ksk | _Sam--: some tip anyways: deativate any server banners (httpd, ftpd etc pp) |
| 18:04.12 | teratoma | email cease and desist letters to every single device that sends you a packet |
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| 18:05.03 | gimpy16 | I want to get a count of CPUs in a number of systems but hyperthreading means I can't do "grep -c processor /proc/cpuinfo" since HT shows up as 2 procs. Would the number of unique "physical proc" lines times the number of siblings in /proc/cpuinfo get the true count of CPU cores? http://dpaste.com/712558/ |
| 18:05.23 | vmassuchetto | Is there a way of simulating a package installation without root privileges? |
| 18:05.25 | phretor | so, no clue about my ulimit question? |
| 18:06.08 | somiaj | vmassuchetto: you can extract the package into your $HOME dir and run the binaries from there |
| 18:06.36 | Spec | phretor: are you setting your ulimit in profile/.profile/.bashrc/etc? |
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| 18:06.55 | somiaj | vmassuchetto: if you need libaries, you may need to configure the env var LD_LIBARY_PATH |
| 18:07.11 | phretor | Spec: I can't, if I run ulimit -n 10000 on my bash shell it says "operation not permitted" |
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| 18:07.43 | Spec | phretor: and you've spawned a new shell? |
| 18:07.49 | phretor | Spec: yes |
| 18:07.54 | Spec | phretor: i think the limits apply on login |
| 18:08.04 | phretor | Spec: so I have to reboot? |
| 18:08.07 | Spec | no |
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| 18:08.25 | Spec | phretor: you should check your pam configuration and make sure it's including limits though |
| 18:08.34 | phretor | Spec: I'm connecting through ssh btw |
| 18:08.44 | Spec | phretor: so check /etc/pam.d/sshd |
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| 18:08.52 | Spec | phretor: 'required pam_limits.so' should be present i believe |
| 18:09.07 | phretor | it is |
| 18:09.13 | phretor | I should logout and log in again |
| 18:09.19 | Spec | yeah |
| 18:09.29 | Spec | if that doesn't work...you'll need to ask someone who knows what they're talking about :D |
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| 18:10.29 | phretor | Spec: that doesn't work :) |
| 18:10.30 | vmassuchetto | somiaj, I need only to check dependencies and see what would be installed/removed. I can't reproduce this other host environment. |
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| 18:11.28 | somiaj | vmassuchetto: I don't know a way a non-root user can run apt to check for dependencies for you. with aptitude show packagename you can track down the dependencies manually, or use packages.debian.org |
| 18:11.29 | phretor | Spec: it could be due to the fact that byobu is in place |
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| 18:11.52 | phretor | yeah, that was the reason |
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| 18:12.28 | Spec | phretor: byobu? |
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| 18:12.44 | vmassuchetto | somiaj, Just realizes that 'aptitude -s install' can do it. Thanks! =D |
| 18:12.49 | vmassuchetto | *realized |
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| 18:13.08 | Spec | phretor: oh, so you could set the ulimit outside of byobu? |
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| 18:16.38 | jpinx | beardy: ? |
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| 18:25.40 | jpinx | where can I see a list of installed packages in squeeze -- looking at the filestsyem from another system? |
| 18:25.50 | ldlework | I just installed debian 6.0.4 onto a virtualbox selecting only ssh server to install. Is this what is preventing me from finding any packages with apt-get? |
| 18:26.07 | dondelelcaro | jpinx: /var/lib/dpkg/status |
| 18:26.30 | jpinx | dondelelcaro: thanks :) |
| 18:27.13 | somiaj | ldlework: check your /etc/apt/sources.list (do you have internet sources or just the install media cd you used to install)? |
| 18:27.18 | kesroesweyth | ldlework > what's in sources.list? |
| 18:27.22 | kesroesweyth | ah, too slow. |
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| 18:28.05 | kesroesweyth | also, what package are you trying to install? can you find it with aptitude search <packagename>? |
| 18:28.09 | ldlework | ah just the CD and squeeze/updates |
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| 18:28.20 | ldlework | kesroesweyth, nah, like emacs and anything I tried pretty much |
| 18:28.29 | ldlework | what is the full sources list supposed to read? |
| 18:28.41 | kesroesweyth | can you scp it from another similar debian server? |
| 18:28.50 | kesroesweyth | otherwise, the default is probably online somewhere. |
| 18:29.33 | ldlework | nah I don't have a squeeze server |
| 18:30.11 | kesroesweyth | i found it googling "squeeze default sources.list" |
| 18:30.26 | jelly-home | !tell idlework about squeeze sources.list |
| 18:30.40 | jelly-home | fuck |
| 18:30.44 | jelly-home | !tell dlework about squeeze sources.list |
| 18:30.44 | kesroesweyth | lol |
| 18:30.48 | jelly-home | !tell Ldlework about squeeze sources.list |
| 18:30.57 | kesroesweyth | that got me too, earlier. |
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| 18:31.08 | jelly-home | ldlework: your nickname is now officially hated. |
| 18:31.23 | ldlework | lol |
| 18:31.25 | kesroesweyth | jelly, can anyone use !tell or just ops/admins? |
| 18:31.54 | jelly-home | kesroesweyth: anyone can. if you want to ask for yourself, use /msg dpkg stuff, instead |
| 18:32.22 | kesroesweyth | right, if i want to see a list of what i can !tell to others, is there one available? or just /msg dpkg help and see what comes up? |
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| 18:34.43 | somiaj | kesroesweyth: that is one way to start, or you can just guess what a factoid is and see what dpkg responds...though I get a lot of 'what are you talking about' from dpkg when I do that |
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| 18:35.09 | kesroesweyth | so it's okay to tell it on myself? |
| 18:35.17 | ldlework | vi makes no sense |
| 18:35.23 | ldlework | oh yeah nano |
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| 18:35.43 | gnarface | kesroesweyth: no, /msg it directly and it will respond privately. |
| 18:35.52 | kesroesweyth | okay, thanks |
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| 18:37.41 | ldlework | thanks guys |
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| 18:43.46 | ldlework | another thing, this box doesn't seem to have visudo? |
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| 18:44.30 | ompaul | ldlework: vi makes lots of sense firstly it is a modal editor, secondly, vi file.txt i insert text a append text :q quit do nothing :wq! write over an existing file with your edits x delete a character dd delete a line and ESC to move from command mode to edit mode and back again |
| 18:45.02 | ompaul | ldlework: that was lesson one copy it and play with it - some boxes only have vi on them |
| 18:45.07 | ldlework | ompaul, as a 10 year emacs user I don't think you're going to convince me of the benefits of modal editing... |
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| 18:46.15 | ompaul | ldlework: that was a meta answer - and if you are such then you don't need to disparage vi like that - you know your faults also :) |
| 18:46.24 | ldlework | Anyway, why wouldn't visudo be available? |
| 18:46.40 | ompaul | is sudo installed? |
| 18:46.48 | ldlework | why wouldn't sudo be installed?! |
| 18:46.54 | jhutchins_wk | visudo is just a wrapper that uses $EDITOR |
| 18:46.56 | ldlework | how did I screw this system up so bad |
| 18:47.00 | ldlework | I just isntalled it |
| 18:47.01 | gimpy16 | ldlework: Maybe it's in /sbin or /usr/sbin? |
| 18:47.01 | jhutchins_wk | or $EDIT |
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| 18:47.04 | somiaj | by default sudo is not installed on systems. |
| 18:47.11 | ldlework | I'm logged in as root |
| 18:47.35 | somiaj | ldlework: sudo isn't part of a debian minimial or base system, so you may have to install it and then add your user to the sudo group |
| 18:47.42 | ldlework | ah okay |
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| 18:49.47 | Mephisto | how to get rid of kernel source folder? |
| 18:49.59 | somiaj | Mephisto: how did you make the kernel source folder? |
| 18:50.05 | Mephisto | i compiled a kernel. |
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| 18:50.15 | Mephisto | the thing is.. i can delete it easily. |
| 18:50.17 | somiaj | Mephisto: I mean did you just untar the tarball into /usr/src? |
| 18:50.23 | Mephisto | somiaj, yes |
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| 18:50.27 | Mephisto | is it wrong? |
| 18:50.28 | somiaj | Mephisto: are you running off this kernel |
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| 18:50.32 | Mephisto | yep. |
| 18:50.33 | somiaj | Mephisto: no it isn't wrong, it is just fine |
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| 18:50.53 | somiaj | Mephisto: I wouldn't remove that source folder, you may need it if you want to compile any third party modules against that kernel you are running |
| 18:50.56 | Mephisto | the thing is... it takes too much space, i can delete it easily, but... virtualbox and video driver ,ay require it. |
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| 18:51.05 | Mephisto | right, that's exactly what i'm saying. |
| 18:51.09 | Mephisto | but listen... |
| 18:51.10 | somiaj | Mephisto: but you can just remove it if you don't like it. I wouldn't as it contains the headers of your system |
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| 18:51.33 | somiaj | Mephisto: so why not use make-kpkg, make a linux-image and linux-headers package, then you can remove the source and just install the image and headers |
| 18:51.37 | Mephisto | the thing is... headers folder is ok, it doesn't take much space. But apparently those third-party apps need kernel soource folder too |
| 18:51.51 | Mephisto | are you sure it's gonna work like that? |
| 18:51.56 | Mephisto | i have those two debs |
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| 18:52.05 | somiaj | Mephisto: did you use make-kpkg and make yourself debian packages, or did you just install the bzimage with make install |
| 18:52.09 | Mephisto | yep. |
| 18:52.13 | Mephisto | i made packages. |
| 18:52.28 | Mephisto | but i never installed them. The kernel and headers were installed differently i guess... |
| 18:52.31 | somiaj | Mephisto: if you are using make-kpkg you don't neve have to do this in the /usr/src (you could do this in $HOME for your user if you wanted if you had more space there) |
| 18:52.58 | Mephisto | yes, but what difference does it make?.. |
| 18:53.01 | somiaj | Mephisto: just putting a copy of the source in /usr/src/ makes it so you don't have to install the headers spertally |
| 18:53.07 | Mephisto | hmm... |
| 18:53.08 | somiaj | Mephisto: preference and space mostly. |
| 18:53.25 | Mephisto | so.. ok.. i got those two debs now. Should i re-install them?.. |
| 18:53.38 | Mephisto | cause i have actually deleted kernel source folder already.. now i can't install virtualbox... |
| 18:53.44 | Mephisto | cause it needs it |
| 18:53.45 | Mephisto | what do i do? |
| 18:54.05 | somiaj | did you install linux-headers in the first place, yes you will need that to compile modules against that kernel |
| 18:54.24 | Mephisto | hmm... |
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| 18:55.03 | Mephisto | listen.. let me ask you this.. what if i remove the kernel image and everything, boot into older kernel and install it from debs?.. |
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| 18:55.26 | somiaj | you didn't install the kernel from .deb in the first place? |
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| 18:55.44 | Mephisto | not from deb... no. Let me show you the command to make it clear |
| 18:55.47 | Mephisto | i mean.. yes |
| 18:55.48 | Mephisto | i did. |
| 18:55.50 | Mephisto | i remember now. |
| 18:55.54 | Mephisto | i used dpkg -i later. |
| 18:55.57 | Mephisto | when those were created. |
| 18:56.10 | Mephisto | BUT.... it still needs the SOURCE folder sometimes.. all i want is to get rid of it. |
| 18:56.14 | somiaj | did you install the linux-headers deb or just the linux-image deb (dpkg -l | grep linux) |
| 18:56.20 | Mephisto | both at once. |
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| 18:56.27 | Mephisto | headers are HERE. |
| 18:56.47 | Mephisto | but when i try installing video driver or virtualbox it still wants something from kernel source folder |
| 18:56.50 | somiaj | how are you compling the virtualbox module? are you using the dkms debian package or some other method? |
| 18:56.57 | Mephisto | dkms, yes. |
| 18:57.06 | Mephisto | and it automatically runs it as i try installing it. |
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| 18:57.35 | somiaj | hmm, sounds like you are doing everything right. how are you trying to install this video driver that is complaining about the missing source |
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| 18:57.52 | Mephisto | sh NVIDIA.... |
| 18:57.54 | Mephisto | but it's fine. |
| 18:58.00 | Mephisto | that's the way it should be. |
| 18:58.18 | Mephisto | what i'm saying is that.... something links it to kernel source folder that takes most of the disk space. It takes 5gbs!!! |
| 18:58.33 | Mephisto | i dunno if it needs just a couple of files from there or bunch of em... |
| 18:58.57 | Mephisto | but it seems that headers don't do all the job |
| 18:59.07 | Mephisto | it still needs access to that big damn folder |
| 18:59.13 | Mephisto | was noticed not only by me |
| 18:59.19 | Mephisto | another guy on ubuntu complained about the same |
| 18:59.32 | Mephisto | so now i'm asking for both myself and him |
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| 18:59.55 | Mephisto | another thing is... when i installed kernels from backports it was different. It would always work |
| 19:00.09 | Mephisto | when i compile it myself - that requires source folder to stay. Wtf... |
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| 19:01.17 | somiaj | Mephisto: so you are installing the nvidia video drivers from nvidia.com -- this is not the suggested way to install them and I don't see what htis had to do with virtual box |
| 19:01.33 | somiaj | Mephisto: if so it is their scripts not looking for the headers in the correct spot. Tell the script where to find the headers |
| 19:01.46 | Mephisto | ok! Let's do an experiment then. |
| 19:02.01 | Mephisto | i'll delete nvidia.com drivers and install those from stable debian repo |
| 19:02.04 | Mephisto | and see what happens |
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| 19:02.43 | somiaj | yer just all over the place, the linux-headers is exactaly what modules need to complie modules against your current kernel. But the issue you are having is with nvidia's binary installer. Go read their instructions on how to correctly link it to your kernel headers |
| 19:03.01 | Mephisto | i know!! i thought so too! |
| 19:03.05 | somiaj | but I would suggest using the versions from backports if the version from squeeze is to old for your card |
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| 19:03.20 | Mephisto | i can't use backports anymore. Some files for the driver are missing there. |
| 19:03.33 | Mephisto | for some reason it refuses to install saying that there's a dependency prob. |
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| 19:03.37 | Mephisto | never been like that before. |
| 19:03.47 | gnarface | Mephisto: the nvidia shell script probably just wants a /usr/src/linux symlink or something dumb like that |
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| 19:04.01 | Mephisto | i see. |
| 19:04.07 | somiaj | or there is an env var you can set to tell the script where your headers are |
| 19:04.08 | Mephisto | well... hang on.. let me show you what virtualbox says, ok |
| 19:04.09 | Mephisto | ? |
| 19:04.22 | Ring0` | Hey. Aptitude blocks my further install/upgrades as he forces me to upgrade one old package. I marked it with "=" but that didn't do the job, it still wants me to upgrade it blocking new installs/other upgrades |
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| 19:04.31 | gnarface | go ahead and pastebin it but you should be looking at the Nvidia script's fail log |
| 19:04.39 | Mephisto | sure! |
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| 19:04.52 | somiaj | also are you doing this all inside a virutalbox Mephisto -- if so installing the nvidia module inside the virtualbox is not the way to go. This needs to be done on the HOST system |
| 19:05.07 | gnarface | yea also that |
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| 19:05.31 | Mephisto | no, not inside vbox |
| 19:05.38 | somiaj | I didn't thikn virtualbox supported direct access to hardware, there is a list of virtualbox guest drivers you can install that help it talk better with the host system. |
| 19:05.52 | somiaj | then why do you keep talking about virtual box when this is issues with making the nvidia kernel module? |
| 19:05.56 | Mephisto | i'm NOT using virtualbox now, i just want to install it |
| 19:06.46 | Mephisto | the thing is.. virtualbox installs, but.... with some probs saying that there's no sources for kernel |
| 19:06.50 | Mephisto | pastebin is coming |
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| 19:07.06 | Mephisto | http://pastebin.com/1Km9XaiV |
| 19:07.08 | Mephisto | there ya go. |
| 19:07.50 | themill | why are you not just using the kernel and kernel headers packages from backports? |
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| 19:08.40 | Mephisto | themill, i'll tell you. Because some "smart" people deleted 2.6.38 and no, i can't use 3.2, cause it seems that all 3.x kernels are shitty. It disables my audio completely. |
| 19:08.53 | Mephisto | themill, it's always about audio |
| 19:09.09 | Mephisto | themill, they do something to it and then my sound gets either shitty or just goes off completely. |
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| 19:09.34 | somiaj | Mephisto: output of 'uname -r' and 'dpkg -l | grep linux-headers' |
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| 19:09.38 | Mephisto | ok |
| 19:09.42 | themill | Mephisto: 2.6.38 from backports will be on snapshot.d.o |
| 19:09.51 | Mephisto | themill, where's that? |
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| 19:10.36 | jelly-home | Mephisto: http://snapshot.debian.org/package/linux-2.6/2.6.38-5~bpo60%2B1/ |
| 19:10.36 | Mephisto | somiaj, http://pastebin.com/5cv6VQLJ |
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| 19:11.08 | Mephisto | jelly-home, i see, nice. |
| 19:11.40 | Mephisto | jelly-home, but too late since i'm into compiling. I've wasted my time on it, now i wanna master it. |
| 19:12.12 | themill | Feel free to read the documentation on dkms yourself then. |
| 19:12.23 | Mephisto | alrighty... |
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| 19:13.04 | somiaj | hmm, yea i'm tno sure why the dkms package isn't seeing the headers. |
| 19:13.05 | Mephisto | somiaj, well? Anything interesting? |
| 19:13.17 | Mephisto | because it's not the headers that it wants. |
| 19:13.26 | Mephisto | it wants kernel SOURCE .... for some goddamn reason... |
| 19:14.52 | jelly-home | Mephisto: the meaning of "kernel source" by third party module providers is not the not you expect, and very often matches what those linux-headers-$(uname -r) packages provide |
| 19:15.08 | jelly-home | semantics |
| 19:15.12 | Mephisto | oh well.. i guess i have no other choice but to leave the damn source on my drive.. that takes 5 gb...Christ... but for that i have to build it again cause i've deleted it... i mean, even if i just untar it to /usr/src that won't do the trick. DKMS needs pre-made SETTINGS |
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| 19:15.54 | gnarface | Mephisto: i don't think it needs to be completely compiled, i think it just needs to be configured |
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| 19:16.01 | jelly-home | Mephisto: you have the choice to wate your time however you wish! |
| 19:16.06 | jelly-home | waste* |
| 19:16.12 | Mephisto | gnarface, i thought so too... haven't checked though. |
| 19:16.28 | Mephisto | gnarface, so you think make menuconfig is enough?.. and make-dpkg? |
| 19:16.35 | somiaj | Mephisto: ls /usr/src (where did it install the linux-headers)...just thikning of thigns to check |
| 19:16.47 | Mephisto | somiaj, let me just show you the screen |
| 19:17.11 | Mephisto | http://89.28.122.14:8080/Screenshot.png |
| 19:17.36 | Mephisto | source folder is absent, cause i deleted it, yes. |
| 19:18.16 | gnarface | Mephisto: unless DKMS somehow fundamentally changes it in some way i'm unfamiliar with yes, i think make menuconfig is enough. you shouldn't even have to change any settings, just run it then save the default config... |
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| 19:18.30 | somiaj | hmm, well my debian kernel packages also contain a linux-headers-3.2.0-1-common directory/package....not sure on the details of what is split off there, but it could be dkms is not seeing that and it is what is causing issues. |
| 19:18.32 | Mephisto | gnarface, ok, good tip man. |
| 19:19.13 | Mephisto | hmmz... |
| 19:19.15 | jelly-home | somiaj: dkms does not have to see that directory. |
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| 19:19.28 | Mephisto | gnarface, gonna try it, thanks. |
| 19:19.42 | somiaj | jelly-home: is that just there to make portability of provding the packages across multiple arches easier? |
| 19:19.46 | gnarface | has managed to just use the linux-headers packages since about 2007 |
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| 19:20.44 | jelly-home | somiaj: it's there because Debian likes slicing packages into architecture-dependent and architecture-independent bits |
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| 19:21.24 | jelly-home | all of its relevant bits are symlinked into the correct place |
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| 19:23.17 | somiaj | any way to figure out what version of a paticular module is included in the 3.2 kernel, trying to see if the module for my wireless card from realtek RTL8188CE is the same version as the one I can download from realtek (Same with firmware version) |
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| 19:24.01 | somiaj | jelly-home: ok, that was just the one difference I noticed, thanks. (: |
| 19:24.11 | __name__ | how long can i expect resizing all partitions on a 300 G drive will take? |
| 19:24.13 | themill | somiaj: modinfo can tell you that |
| 19:24.24 | gnarface | __name__: unless its reiserfs, fucking HOURS |
| 19:24.34 | __name__ | gah dammit |
| 19:24.56 | gnarface | __name__: actually xfs may not suffer from that problem either, but all the ext* filesystems definitely do |
| 19:25.07 | __name__ | some of them are ntfs |
| 19:25.18 | gnarface | probably no better, but i can't speak of ntfs with authority |
| 19:25.34 | gnarface | go get lunch, you have some time |
| 19:25.46 | __name__ | it's 8 pm though |
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| 19:25.50 | gnarface | haha |
| 19:25.53 | gnarface | or you know whatever |
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| 19:26.16 | __name__ | i'll just backup my /home, nuke it, that's easier |
| 19:26.24 | gnarface | usually |
| 19:26.42 | Iridos | __name__, perhaps he meant... go to bed, have breakfast, THEN have lunch |
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| 19:26.55 | __name__ | Iridos, repeat, repeat, finished! |
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| 19:27.11 | somiaj | themill: thanks, dosen't seem to reference what version other than "vermagic: 3.2.0-1-amd64 SMP mod_unload modversions" -- it does say Realtek WlanFAE is an author, but no nice way to compare it to their module versions. |
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| 19:27.23 | Mephisto | no.. that didn't work |
| 19:27.36 | Mephisto | apparently it needs that kernel to be MADE... to weight even more.. lol. |
| 19:27.38 | __name__ | then i'll find my hdd's head exhausted and broken |
| 19:27.43 | themill | somiaj: nothing usefil in srcversion? |
| 19:27.47 | Mephisto | so yeah.. bummer. |
| 19:27.55 | jelly-home | somiaj: no "version: 8.03.07.12-k" either? |
| 19:28.00 | gnarface | Mephisto: that seems weird to me... this is squeeze you said? |
| 19:28.03 | themill | somiaj: (sometimes it's a real version, sometimes some sort of git id) |
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| 19:28.09 | Mephisto | gnarface, yep. |
| 19:28.31 | Mephisto | gnarface, well... i'll tell you again, when i installed kernels from backports - there was no such thing. |
| 19:28.47 | Mephisto | gnarface, and it happens not only here, like i said.. one guy on Ubuntu told me the same thing. |
| 19:29.08 | jelly-home | __name__: ext3 can be grown online. Shrinking is very slow. |
| 19:29.09 | Mephisto | gnarface, he can't get rid of the source folder cause things depend on it, that require depmod thing whatever.. modules |
| 19:29.14 | gnarface | Mephisto: i still think its gotta be a dangling symlink somewhere or something like that - i can't reproduce your problem |
| 19:29.40 | somiaj | themill, jelly-home: neither a version or a srcversion line in the output: http://paste.debian.net/158806/ |
| 19:30.07 | Mephisto | ok, let me just show you then how i compiled the kernel. Maybe that will reveal anything.... |
| 19:30.23 | gnarface | Mephisto: look in the /lib/modules/[version] directory for your running kernel; do you see a build and source symlink in there? if so, where do they point? |
| 19:30.32 | themill | somiaj: wading through kernel commit logs might be the only way of working this out then :( |
| 19:30.33 | Mephisto | let me see.... |
| 19:30.47 | Oniklus | hello all. currently I am using google's e-mail service for businesses, but I find it quite costy. is it difficult setting up an SMTP/IMAP server and is it worth the trouble? |
| 19:30.51 | somiaj | themill: ok, thanks for the help. |
| 19:30.56 | Mephisto | uh-huh!! |
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| 19:31.01 | Mephisto | noooow i see |
| 19:31.05 | Mephisto | there are two symlinks |
| 19:31.08 | Mephisto | for two folders |
| 19:31.13 | Mephisto | build and source |
| 19:31.20 | Mephisto | and they point to /usr/src |
| 19:31.25 | Iridos | Oniklus, how big is a forest? |
| 19:31.46 | gnarface | Mephisto: here's where mine point: build -> /usr/src/linux-headers-3.2.0-1-amd64/ |
| 19:31.46 | gnarface | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:31.48 | Mephisto | should i just dislink them? |
| 19:31.54 | Mephisto | hmm |
| 19:31.58 | Oniklus | how many email accounts there are you mean? about 20 |
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| 19:32.00 | Mephisto | i seee |
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| 19:32.03 | Mephisto | hang on man.... |
| 19:32.07 | Mephisto | i'll try fixin that |
| 19:32.13 | Mephisto | that's all very interesting. |
| 19:32.21 | Mephisto | /usr/src/linux-2.6.39 |
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| 19:32.26 | Mephisto | that's where mine shows to! |
| 19:32.32 | Mephisto | and that's the one that is missing |
| 19:32.41 | Mephisto | so should i redirect it to the headers?.. |
| 19:32.52 | gnarface | well if that doesn't exist, or is not your running kernel, that would be a problem building *any* new drivers |
| 19:32.53 | dsdeiz | hi just installed icedove but getting this error when running it "/usr/lib/icedove/icedove-bin: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/icedove/components/libimgicon.so: undefined symbol: NS_GetServiceManager" |
| 19:33.28 | somiaj | Oniklus: setting up a simple mail server isn't to hard (provided you have an isp that lets you run a mailserver on the network). Main issue I have ran across is the spam flitering, that can be cpu intensitive and difficult to confgiure to get a good spam filter (which is why I have suggested google mail for small web server) |
| 19:34.09 | Oniklus | somiaj: I see. thanks for the information |
| 19:34.09 | Mephisto | gnarface, it's my runnin kernel |
| 19:34.11 | Mephisto | 2.6.39 |
| 19:34.47 | ompaul | Mephisto: and you got that from backports? |
| 19:34.55 | Mephisto | no. |
| 19:35.00 | Mephisto | thats my own built kernel. |
| 19:35.14 | Mephisto | the problem is... well, i'm tired of telling this story, sorry. |
| 19:35.25 | Mephisto | just scroll up.. |
| 19:35.36 | gnarface | yea your audio is broke in everywhere else and this is the only kernel you can possibly run we get it |
| 19:35.44 | Mephisto | yep. |
| 19:35.46 | Mephisto | exactly. |
| 19:35.55 | Mephisto | well, when there was 2.6.38 on backports it was just fine. |
| 19:35.58 | Mephisto | but they deleted it. |
| 19:36.06 | Mephisto | so that's why i came up with compiling my own. |
| 19:36.07 | themill | so just install it again... problem solved. |
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| 19:36.11 | Mephisto | and it's all fine! |
| 19:36.18 | Mephisto | except for the huge source folder |
| 19:36.21 | Mephisto | that i don't really need |
| 19:36.35 | gnarface | you definitely shouldn't need it |
| 19:36.49 | Mephisto | right, but it needs my hdd space! |
| 19:36.54 | gnarface | but you DO need SOME of the stuff in there |
| 19:36.55 | Iridos | Oniklus, no, I mean... "how difficult is it" is not something one can answer. Depends who does it, depends on the features needed, fallback possibilities etc. etc. etc. You probably won't get the same things google offers - like about 0% downtime... If someone knows what he's doing, you can take the occasional downtime and have a limited amount of features, probably "not so hard" |
| 19:36.56 | Mephisto | and i don't need it to need it, you see |
| 19:37.15 | Mephisto | gnarface, where did you get your kernel? |
| 19:37.19 | themill | Mephisto: (in case you were wondering, people don't bother scrolling up to read what you've read before because you hit enter after every 5 words and you are difficult to follow; please don't hit enter all the time like that) |
| 19:37.25 | gnarface | Mephisto: i'm on SID |
| 19:37.33 | Mephisto | ok, sorry. |
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| 19:38.36 | Mephisto | gnardace, so you're saying that both of those folders in /lib/modules point at headers one?!... |
| 19:38.42 | Mephisto | gnarface, for you i mean |
| 19:38.55 | ompaul | Mephisto: you're essay is pretty broken, it comes down to one thing, you have room on your drive, you want more room, please pastebin df -h in http://paste.debian.net thanks |
| 19:39.22 | ompaul | Mephisto: your would be better but hey :) |
| 19:40.32 | gnarface | Mephisto: yes, symlinks point where they pointed when i pasted them to you. additionally the linux-headers packages have been sufficient for both the nvidia shell installer and the dkms stuff debian uses for some time now (even interchangeably, though many have told me this is dangerous and unsupported) |
| 19:40.36 | Mephisto | ompaul, just for you. I compiled my own kernel. All went fine. The problem is, there's a big fucking source folder that after building became even bigger, which i can't even delete because some things need it, like video driver or virtualbox. |
| 19:40.50 | Mephisto | gnarface, ok, you know what.... i think i'm gonna redirect the symlinks! |
| 19:40.54 | Mephisto | gnarface, and see what happens. |
| 19:41.07 | Mephisto | gnarface, to the same headers folder in /usr/src |
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| 19:41.35 | gnarface | Mephisto: well ... as long as that headers folder is the correct one for your kernel version ... |
| 19:41.42 | Mephisto | yep, it is. |
| 19:41.44 | kevlarman | Mephisto: 200mb if you built from git + ~40mb of binaries is big? |
| 19:42.02 | Mephisto | kevlarman, initially it's 400mb, when built - 5 gb |
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| 19:42.28 | Mephisto | kevlarman, i mean, when not built but configured inside the damn source folder.. Jesus! |
| 19:42.39 | Mephisto | pff.. now.. just don't ask me any more questions, please... |
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| 19:42.51 | ElTimo | Hi guys. I seem to have misplaced php.ini. Where is it by default? |
| 19:43.00 | ompaul | Mephisto: so no paste of df -h well I guess I know what I'll do next |
| 19:43.03 | abrotman | ElTimo: probably php5-common |
| 19:43.13 | ElTimo | abrotman, I meant on disk. |
| 19:43.16 | abrotman | dpkg: tell ElTimo about apt-file |
| 19:43.21 | abrotman | ElTimo: there are multiple |
| 19:43.38 | gnarface | ElTimo: look in /etc/php5 |
| 19:43.56 | ElTimo | gnarface, Thanks. Found it. |
| 19:44.03 | ElTimo | Also thank you abrotman. |
| 19:44.11 | ElTimo | I keep forgetting apt-file exists. |
| 19:44.14 | gnarface | ElTimo: there may be multiple, as abrotman mentioned. make sure you're editing the right one |
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| 19:45.47 | ElTimo | gnarface, neither one seems to affect anything. |
| 19:45.54 | buu | Did you restart apache? |
| 19:46.08 | ElTimo | Damn. Knew I forgot something :P |
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| 19:46.37 | gnarface | ElTimo: many popular php frameworks behave rather badly and override it on every page load (zend) |
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| 19:47.20 | ElTimo | gnarface, I forgot to restart apache. I'm still kind of a noob at system administration. |
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| 19:57.15 | __name__ | How's it possible that df -h of the /home partition reports 3 G and du -hs . in /home reports 200 M? |
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| 19:58.32 | marti | is there a one command to copy/move a dir (contains many files)? |
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| 20:00.06 | gnarface | marti: mv will move a dir. if you want to copy it with all its contents you need cp -r |
| 20:00.44 | marti | thx I try |
| 20:00.55 | marti | I thought it is working on only file |
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| 20:01.03 | gnarface | __name__: uh.. maybe because one is reporting the free space and one is reporting the used space? |
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| 20:01.46 | Mephisto | hey, guess what |
| 20:01.51 | Mephisto | i've just reinstalled both debs i got |
| 20:01.53 | gnarface | ? |
| 20:01.53 | Mephisto | kernel and image |
| 20:02.12 | Mephisto | AND... in /lib/modules it has created build folder pointing at headers folder in /usr/src ! |
| 20:02.16 | Mephisto | so it's changed now |
| 20:02.26 | Mephisto | and no source folder at all. |
| 20:02.31 | gnarface | and it works? |
| 20:02.37 | Mephisto | dunno, gotta reboot first. |
| 20:02.41 | Mephisto | brb. |
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| 20:04.33 | Iridos | marti, mind that mv really just moves it if you move within the same partition, so it's blazingly fast... but has to copy all files, then delete them if you move from one partition to another |
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| 20:05.55 | Mephisto | worked! |
| 20:05.56 | acu007 | I run debian wheezy and qemu-kvm libvirt - and try to install as virtual machine - either wheezy or squeeze - but the installation process get stalled during the install of the virtual machine - I do not know why is that - any suggestion where to look at ? |
| 20:06.38 | Mephisto | http://pastebin.com/cx2tBe6G |
| 20:06.43 | gnarface | Mephisto: hoooraaay! |
| 20:06.59 | Mephisto | apparently, on first installation it makes those nasty symlinks, but you gotta delete all that shit and reinstall stuff directly from debs |
| 20:07.12 | Mephisto | gnarface, thanks for your time and help man, you gave me a lot of tips ;) |
| 20:07.21 | gnarface | no problem Mephisto |
| 20:07.24 | Mephisto | :) |
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| 20:52.20 | acu007 | !paste |
| 20:52.20 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ http://paste.pocoo.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>, <lodgeit.py>. |
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| 21:02.12 | Jayflux | if sudo isnt installed can i just apt-get sudo ? |
| 21:02.21 | ninjers | yes |
| 21:02.23 | cafuego | As root, yes |
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| 21:02.28 | Jayflux | ok thanks |
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| 21:04.52 | dFence | eeeeh guys?! I get an error-message "Cannot create temporary file in /tmp/: No space left on device" even though there're about 4G left – is debian stashing porn somewhere and not telling me or...?! |
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| 21:05.25 | cafuego | Is there 4G left on / or on /tmp? |
| 21:05.47 | streuner_ | DFence, whats about the permissions for /tmp? |
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| 21:05.56 | dFence | streuner_: touch returns the same error |
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| 21:06.11 | streuner_ | tell us the permissions for /tmp |
| 21:06.11 | visof | hello |
| 21:06.12 | cafuego | Perms would be a 'Permission denied' error |
| 21:06.12 | dFence | cafuego: it's not a dedicated partition, / has 4.2G |
| 21:06.31 | dFence | streuner_: drwxrwxrwt |
| 21:06.43 | visof | i tried to run apach2 but i got address 80 is already on use how can i know which app is using port 80 ? |
| 21:07.11 | dFence | streuner_: it occured during a make-orgy while compiling gettext - the 200 packages before had no problem |
| 21:07.21 | cafuego | visof: netstat -plunt |
| 21:09.08 | streuner_ | dFence, out of interest, but why the hell are you going to compile gettext? |
| 21:09.50 | dFence | streuner_: I'm compiling an OpenEmbedded image - step 1 is to set up a "clean" cross-compile environment |
| 21:09.55 | cafuego | dFence: Oh, I know. How big is / over-all? |
| 21:10.14 | dFence | cafuego: 16G total / 11 used / 4.2 avail |
| 21:10.39 | cafuego | Hmm no that seems wrong then... I was going to suggest you ran out and only have % reserved blocks left :-/ |
| 21:10.52 | cafuego | But 25% seems high ;-) |
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| 21:11.40 | dFence | cafuego: it gained about 12G in the past 2hrs – OE became one. fat. bitch!!! |
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| 21:12.32 | cafuego | is there any chance whatsoever it's complaining about space in a crosscompile chroot? |
| 21:13.21 | dFence | cafuego: no, it's not at that stage yet – I'm guessing it might have sth to do with the multiple make and bitbake-threads |
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| 21:33.59 | dFence | ooookay... now I'm getting a bit pissed.. according to df I still have 4.2G available, yet I can't even "touch" a new file on / |
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| 21:34.52 | tremon | dFence: try df -i ? |
| 21:35.09 | petemc | check dmesg/syslog/messages |
| 21:35.13 | dFence | tremon: WHOPS IFree 2 |
| 21:35.17 | dFence | whats that supposed to mean!? |
| 21:35.25 | Kamping_Kaiser | dFence: 5% reserved for root? |
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| 21:35.29 | tremon | dFence: you're out of inodes |
| 21:35.57 | tremon | storage on extN filesystem needs two types of space: blocks and inodes |
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| 21:36.04 | dFence | tremon: I'm kinda afraid to ask how something like that could happen or better.. how to avoid sth like that |
| 21:36.26 | dFence | tremon: sounds suspiciously like I need to reformat? |
| 21:36.26 | tremon | blocks are for data, inodes for metadata. If you have lots of small files you can run out of inodes before you run out of data blocks |
| 21:36.39 | dFence | tremon: that's definitely the case |
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| 21:36.49 | webrunner1981 | hi |
| 21:36.57 | webrunner1981 | sorry I got stupid question |
| 21:37.10 | Kamping_Kaiser | tremon: well picked |
| 21:37.17 | tremon | cheers |
| 21:37.27 | webrunner1981 | I have set up LAMP and ftp |
| 21:37.41 | webrunner1981 | but i want to have different addresses |
| 21:37.44 | tremon | dFence: you don't need to reformat, you need to clean up your tiny files :) |
| 21:38.02 | webrunner1981 | i mean server-ftp.example.com and server.example.com |
| 21:38.12 | dFence | tremon: I can't right now, I'm in the middle of an extended buildroot-orgy |
| 21:38.26 | webrunner1981 | All I want is to be sure i should set it via vhost |
| 21:38.41 | tremon | although, at format you can specify the intended filesystem usage (-T news, -Tlargefile etc). That configures the inode-to-block ratio |
| 21:38.53 | tremon | dFence: do you build out-of-tree? |
| 21:39.08 | tremon | how about doing your compilations on a tmpfs? |
| 21:39.31 | tremon | it will at least solve the immediate problem |
| 21:39.37 | dFence | tremon: debian expert-install didn't ask for it... yep, openembedded |
| 21:39.51 | tremon | dFence: it |
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| 21:40.01 | tremon | ... 's called "filesystem usage" in the installer iirc |
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| 21:40.39 | dFence | tremon: I used the default entire-disk option – usually was no problem oO |
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| 21:43.21 | tremon | webrunner1981: vhost is only for apache, not ftp I think |
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| 21:43.46 | dFence | tremon: just to be safe, i'm gonna reformat this VM.. since the compilation is only at ~30%, would you suggest switching to btrfs? |
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| 21:44.34 | streuner_ | !filesystems |
| 21:44.35 | dpkg | Journaling filesystems in a nutshell: <peterS> fast but dangerous: reiserfs. medium-speed but reliable: ext3. fast, mostly reliable, and *huge*: xfs. slow, probably reliable: jfs. unknown, probably buggy: reiser4. If you have to ask, use <ext3> or <ext4>. Old benchmarks at http://fsbench.netnation.com/ . http://wiki.debian.org/FileSystem #linuxfs on irc.oftc.net. |
| 21:45.29 | tremon | dFence: I'm not sure how btrfs handles it. I'd stick with ext4 but try to find the option to set filesystem usage to "news" (-Tnews on the command line) |
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| 21:45.49 | dFence | tremon: according to fedora-forums, btrfs has dynamic inodes |
| 21:45.59 | tremon | ok you can try that then |
| 21:46.07 | dFence | hrrrmpf... |
| 21:46.12 | dFence | reinstall, take 258 |
| 21:46.30 | alfplayer | what does it mean xfs "huge"? |
| 21:46.48 | gnarface | alfplayer: has the largest max partition and individual file size capacity |
| 21:47.05 | alfplayer | gnarface: oh, thanks |
| 21:47.18 | streuner_ | alfplayer: well, xfs isnt what you looking for :-/ |
| 21:47.40 | streuner_ | it plays nice, but one day you get real headaches... |
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| 21:48.30 | streuner_ | omg, FS is a real headache in Linux |
| 21:48.42 | streuner_ | dpkg, start a FS war |
| 21:48.43 | dpkg | Who needs a file system? Use orthogonal persistency! |
| 21:48.53 | alfplayer | I was curious, I saw it as default for /home in a distro called trisquel |
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| 21:49.14 | tremon | dFence: a good sysadmin writes down what he does the first time, checks it the second and scripts it the third :) |
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| 21:50.19 | speak | Hi! There's a bunch of .deb packages in http://dev.carbon-project.org/debian/wine-unstable/ that I need to install |
| 21:50.27 | speak | What's the best way to install a bunch of .deb packages at once? |
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| 21:50.47 | streuner_ | using default repos? :-) |
| 21:50.54 | speak | Especially since the .deb packages seem to have a specific order in which they need to be installed, and I'm not sure what the order is |
| 21:51.02 | speak | You mean install the older than old version? X: |
| 21:51.04 | tremon | speak: have you read the "few notes"? |
| 21:51.06 | dFence | tremon: I've been playing around with some test-configurations and I like to work on vanilla VMs |
| 21:51.17 | dFence | aaah Debian-Installer - we meet again |
| 21:51.49 | speak | tremon yes, but I'm still having some troubles |
| 21:52.27 | speak | Is it just dpkg -i *.deb ? |
| 21:52.37 | tremon | speak: have you tried it yet? ;) |
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| 21:53.20 | tremon | if this is the first time you're installing them, install will succeed but configuration will fail. See the next note for the solution to that |
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| 21:53.44 | speak | Okay! :) Thank you, I will try that |
| 21:55.23 | streuner_ | speak: what makes it that interesting to install a (newer) wine at all? :-) |
| 21:56.17 | tremon | streuner_: the fact that Debian only carries the 1.0 release or a development snapshot of two years ago... |
| 21:56.33 | speak | It's the only thing I can think of to do right now, since I've had a lot of trouble getting wineasio working properly |
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| 21:56.37 | streuner_ | well, i ran windows or Debian... |
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| 21:56.45 | tremon | ...and Wine is now preparing to release 1.4... |
| 21:57.19 | dFence | tremon: I can't choose inode density during the debian install, just double-checked |
| 21:57.34 | tremon | streuner_: for me it's mostly games. Some of my favourites don't run in dosbox... |
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| 21:57.49 | tremon | dFence: ah ok, thx for checking. btrfs it is, then? |
| 21:58.02 | dFence | tremon: yup |
| 21:58.24 | streuner_ | hm |
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| 22:00.51 | dFence | how big should /boot be? (apparently, squeeze-grub doesn't support btrfs) 200M? |
| 22:01.19 | streuner_ | one linux-image is about 40MB |
| 22:02.03 | daemonkeeper | what? |
| 22:02.04 | tremon | I use 100MB at most (a kernel+initrd is ~5MB with MODULES=dep) |
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| 22:02.12 | daemonkeeper | Do ls -lh /boot |
| 22:02.13 | streuner_ | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2626272 Jan 10 07:31 vmlinuz-3.1.0-1-686-pae |
| 22:02.18 | streuner_ | well, less :-) |
| 22:02.41 | streuner_ | dFence, see, and calculate how many images you need :-) |
| 22:02.41 | dFence | thx |
| 22:02.59 | dFence | streuner_: images?! whatwhatwhaaaaat??? |
| 22:03.07 | streuner_ | linux-images |
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| 22:03.37 | dFence | streuner_: *phew* had me shocked there for a second. I think one kernel should do just fine |
| 22:03.45 | dFence | altough... he might get lonely... |
| 22:03.47 | dFence | better 200mb |
| 22:03.48 | dFence | :D |
| 22:04.10 | streuner_ | well, 200MB shouldnt be a wrong decision for me then :-P |
| 22:04.12 | tremon | dFence: a man is not less lonely if you give him a bigger house |
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| 22:04.44 | dFence | tremon: that's why the kernel gets a second kernel - so they can play or what the hell I need more coffee... |
| 22:05.06 | dFence | ~_~ |
| 22:05.06 | apt | STOP THAT! |
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| 22:06.25 | alesan | hi |
| 22:06.39 | alesan | how can I tell modprobe to also look for modules in a certain directory? |
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| 22:07.14 | gnarface | alesan: this should have happened automatically if you're doing it right, but it may be more useful for you to know you can insmod [filename] |
| 22:07.29 | alesan | gnarface, yes I know how to use insmod |
| 22:07.42 | alesan | well the point it: I would like ot use Debian's system to load modules |
| 22:07.47 | alesan | s/it/is |
| 22:08.23 | gnarface | alesan: modprobe finds the modules using the files /lib/modules/[running kernel version]/modules.* |
| 22:08.27 | alesan | but these modules are written by me I have a different release of the kernel with a different commit number every once in a while and it's inconvenient to move all the modules around in different directories |
| 22:08.29 | speak | *phew* Just found a way to use wildcards with http + wget (man, would think it was simpler!) |
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| 22:08.46 | alesan | gnarface, but there must a way to tell it to also look for other paths, not? |
| 22:09.02 | gnarface | alesan: one would think. maybe with depmod ? |
| 22:09.08 | jhutchins_wk | alesan: Don't the modules need to be built against the target kernel anyway? |
| 22:09.24 | alesan | jhutchins_wk, yes but a commit more or less does not matter |
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| 22:09.38 | jhutchins_wk | alesan: Use symlinks. |
| 22:09.51 | streuner_ | insane |
| 22:09.54 | alesan | gnarface, well the problem is that modprobe looks for depmod and cannot find it |
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| 22:10.07 | alesan | jhutchins_wk, that's what I do now but it's far from being a reasonable solution |
| 22:10.17 | alesan | I'd need to create a symlink for every commit of the kernel I try |
| 22:10.28 | jhutchins_wk | alesan: That's right. |
| 22:10.49 | streuner_ | insane in the brain, why do you need another kernel, other than the Debian kernel? |
| 22:11.22 | alesan | mhh... |
| 22:11.38 | dFence | streuner_: kernel-hording |
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| 22:12.11 | alesan | because the support for this architecture is not in mainline yet... |
| 22:12.19 | alesan | and I am writing drivers as we speak |
| 22:12.26 | streuner_ | huh |
| 22:12.27 | alesan | even the platform code is not finished |
| 22:12.41 | dFence | what arch? sounds exotic |
| 22:13.08 | alesan | well OK the ARCH is arm but the platform is not in kernel :) |
| 22:13.22 | alesan | I mean mainline yet |
| 22:13.27 | gnarface | alesan: the modules.dep files are a fairly simple text format. i'm sure you could edit them by hand |
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| 22:14.17 | alesan | yes but modprobe is looking for it in /lib/modules/3.2-lsp-3.2.3-g80bb602/modules.dep |
| 22:14.21 | alesan | I straced it |
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| 22:15.17 | gnarface | alesan: right so that file should have (i believe) the path to a directory where its contained and references to any other required modules or other modules.* files ... i *think*... or something like that at least |
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| 22:27.28 | Dev0n_ | hey, anyone here used dante and know if it's possible to set a different file for user/pass auth instead of having it linked to local passwd file :/ ? |
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| 22:29.24 | Almtesh | Hi! |
| 22:29.33 | Almtesh | Where is the config for Kleopatra? |
| 22:29.49 | Almtesh | How can I use it for gpg? |
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| 22:32.37 | Guest93252 | Hello |
| 22:32.57 | Guest93252 | Did a netinstall from a USB drive |
| 22:33.13 | Guest93252 | Noted while I was installing that the USB drive came up as /dev/sda |
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| 22:33.33 | Guest93252 | When I rebooted I don't get a menu or an error simply a blinking cursor |
| 22:33.53 | Guest93252 | Booted now into a live environment. Can I debug what went wrong? |
| 22:34.03 | Guest93252 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:35.13 | tremon | Guest93252: what went wrong is hard to say, but check /boot/grub/device.map for references to your install disk and remove them |
| 22:35.29 | Guest93252 | tremon: that's on the drive that I installed to? |
| 22:36.28 | Guest93252 | tremon: would a # be sufficient ? |
| 22:37.07 | tremon | Guest93252: not sure. grub-mkdevicemap can generate a new one for you (if it's still there) |
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| 22:37.33 | Guest93252 | ok I'll back up the file and remove that line. |
| 22:38.52 | tremon | Guest93252: after you've made sure the order in that file is the same as what your BIOS thinks (at least make sure hd0 is the disk your bios boots from), run update-grub and install-grub '(hd0)' if you want grub in the mbr |
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| 22:40.03 | Guest93252 | tremon: since the install media is hd0 should I leave the root device as hd1 ? |
| 22:40.04 | Guest93252 | ah ok |
| 22:40.17 | Guest93252 | I guess I need to chroot and bindmount /dev then |
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| 22:41.19 | tremon | what's install media to you? if it's the disk you installed from, why would you need it in grub's devicemap? |
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| 22:41.49 | tremon | you'd need to bindmount at least /dev and /sys, and I'd do /proc too just in case |
| 22:42.58 | Guest93252 | tremon: it's in the grub device map I don't know why it's there |
| 22:43.32 | alfplayer | hmm, I've been using grub for years and I've never edited device.map |
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| 22:44.24 | alfplayer | I select using BIOS setup |
| 22:44.32 | tremon | alfplayer: that's because you only need to do that if you change your boot drive without reinstall, or install with a different disk configuration |
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| 22:46.06 | alfplayer | tremon: or don't change it with BIOS setup, right? |
| 22:46.41 | tremon | well, it's /and/ don't change your hdd boot priority in the bios |
| 22:47.18 | alfplayer | tremon: right |
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| 22:47.42 | oops | I have installed tor package. What else do I need to access internet anonymously? |
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| 22:48.36 | Guest93252 | Pigeons |
| 22:48.45 | Guest93252 | tremon: no install-grub |
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| 22:49.07 | tremon | oops: that depends on how far you want to go. You should anonymize at least your dns requests, either through tor or p2p name resolution |
| 22:49.29 | oops | Trellmor, do I need to install vidalia? |
| 22:49.43 | tremon | Guest93252: it's /usr/sbin/grub-install |
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| 22:50.20 | tremon | vidalia is one option, I'm sure there are more, but have no experience with either |
| 22:50.31 | oops | tremon, how do you use then? |
| 22:50.49 | tremon | sry, don't know |
| 22:50.52 | Guest93252 | tremon: thanks |
| 22:50.56 | tremon | I run a tor node but don't use it myself |
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| 22:52.28 | Guest93252 | tremon: that's grub2 ? |
| 22:52.45 | Guest93252 | I just did an apt-get install grub and got a messag that I'm being upgraded from Grubleacy |
| 22:52.45 | streuner_ | oops, go to alaska |
| 22:52.50 | Guest93252 | Grub Legacy |
| 22:52.58 | oops | why? |
| 22:52.59 | tremon | Guest93252: yes, well, grub-pc is the new name |
| 22:53.28 | Guest93252 | tremon: Bleah. It's grub-install I've been typing install-grub all this time |
| 22:53.30 | streuner_ | oops: throw away your passport and live there |
| 22:53.34 | tremon | Guest93252: odd, I thought squeeze already had grub-pc |
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| 22:54.03 | Guest93252 | Ok it says no error reported |
| 22:54.09 | Guest93252 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:54.11 | tremon | my fault, which is why I gave you the full path :) |
| 22:54.16 | Guest93252 | tremon: Thanks :) |
| 22:54.25 | Guest93252 | if it works I'll be back to thank you |
| 22:54.28 | tremon | yw |
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| 22:55.59 | streuner_ | oops, s/live/life/ |
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| 22:58.40 | SpComb | seeing some xen4 clocksource/irq hangs on debian squeeze; domU: http://pastebin.com/c079Evnz , dom0: http://pastebin.com/83pmgdje |
| 22:59.08 | SpComb | plus massive "page allocation failure" on another domU, with softirq/clocksource in all stacktraces |
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| 22:59.41 | SpComb | but the hardware is having some io issues, so dunno |
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| 23:00.47 | DebDisciple | tremon: It worked :) |
| 23:00.49 | DebDisciple | Kinda |
| 23:01.16 | DebDisciple | There is something booting faster than it but I'll figure that out |
| 23:01.43 | tremon | DebDisciple: faster? |
| 23:02.18 | tremon | that must be the new turbo-boost feature, where one core can outrun the other I guess |
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| 23:02.37 | DebDisciple | tremon: or storage device :) |
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| 23:05.07 | boudiccas | ,versions nanoblogger |
| 23:05.12 | judd | Package: nanoblogger on i386 -- lenny: 3.3-4; sid: 3.4.2-3; squeeze: 3.4.2-3; wheezy: 3.4.2-3 |
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| 23:06.25 | DebDisciple | ,versions kdelibs |
| 23:06.26 | judd | Package: kdelibs on i386 -- lenny: 4:3.5.10.dfsg.1-0lenny4; lenny-security: 4:3.5.10.dfsg.1-0lenny4; squeeze: 4:3.5.10.dfsg.1-5 |
| 23:06.48 | DebDisciple | wow really? still KDE 3.5 ? |
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| 23:07.45 | tremon | ,versions kdelibs4c2a |
| 23:07.48 | judd | Package: kdelibs4c2a on i386 -- lenny: 4:3.5.10.dfsg.1-0lenny4; lenny-security: 4:3.5.10.dfsg.1-0lenny4; squeeze: 4:3.5.10.dfsg.1-5 |
| 23:07.58 | DebDisciple | ,versions kdelibs5 |
| 23:07.59 | judd | Package: kdelibs5 on i386 -- lenny: 4:4.1.0-3+lenny1; lenny-security: 4:4.1.0-3+lenny1; squeeze: 4:4.4.5-2+squeeze3 |
| 23:08.02 | themill | DebDisciple: not at all; just get the right package name. |
| 23:08.12 | tremon | ah, found them :) |
| 23:08.31 | DebDisciple | themill: ah. I would have thought that kdelibs would always try to get you the latest blessed version |
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| 23:09.50 | themill | DebDisciple: but then you'd not be able to install unported kde3 apps in your kde4-containing lenny or squeeze. |
| 23:09.53 | DebDisciple | ,versions kde-standard |
| 23:09.54 | judd | Package: kde-standard on i386 -- squeeze: 5:66; wheezy: 5:70; sid: 5:73; sid: 5:74 |
| 23:10.05 | themill | DebDisciple: btw you can just /msg judd |
| 23:10.15 | DebDisciple | ha ha that's fun :) not very helpful but nice ^_^ |
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| 23:10.28 | DebDisciple | Ah which bots are in here? |
| 23:11.10 | streuner_ | serveral, but dpkg,and judd are the most helpful |
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| 23:11.52 | DebDisciple | Thanks |
| 23:11.59 | ElTimo | Did cups change its syntax recently? |
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| 23:13.19 | streuner_ | CUPS working or not working, no need to make headaches about syntax, IMO |
| 23:13.31 | dFence | word |
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| 23:15.37 | streuner_ | you arent able to make anything if CUPS working or not in Debian, CUPS working and you are lucky in sid ... :-P |
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| 23:16.28 | streuner_ | syntax? forget that in CUPS |
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| 23:28.44 | Jayflux | How can i list folders / file in a directory? |
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| 23:29.47 | alfplayer | Jayflux: what? |
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| 23:30.23 | Jayflux | im not sure I can be more clear with that question alfplayer |
| 23:30.52 | themill | Jayflux: "ls" ? |
| 23:31.03 | Jayflux | yeah found it thanks themill |
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| 23:31.20 | alfplayer | Jayflux: if you are new to this, maybe you should read and introdution, so you can learn the basics, you know |
| 23:32.08 | themill | dpkg: tell Jayflux about general cli tutorial |
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| 23:33.05 | mycae | Hello, is pavucontrol broken in testing? Its looking for libpulsecommon-1.0, but this no longer exists, its libpulsecommon-1.1. I updated, but no dep inconsistency is reported... |
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| 23:33.28 | mycae | I updated and now pulse can't play sound :/ |
| 23:33.38 | kevlarman | mycae: sounds like you have half a testing and half an unstable pulse |
| 23:33.47 | mycae | thats possible... |
| 23:33.48 | kevlarman | ,versions libpulse0 |
| 23:33.50 | judd | Package: libpulse0 on i386 -- lenny: 0.9.10-3+lenny2; lenny-security: 0.9.10-3+lenny2; lenny-backports: 0.9.21-3~bpo50+1; squeeze: 0.9.21-3+squeeze1; sid: 1.1-3; wheezy: 1.1-3 |
| 23:34.04 | kevlarman | ,versions pulseaudio |
| 23:34.06 | judd | Package: pulseaudio on i386 -- lenny: 0.9.10-3+lenny2; lenny-security: 0.9.10-3+lenny2; lenny-backports: 0.9.21-3~bpo50+1; squeeze: 0.9.21-3+squeeze1; sid: 1.1-3; wheezy: 1.1-3 |
| 23:34.33 | kevlarman | mycae: both of those packages are the same version? |
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| 23:34.37 | kevlarman | if not, fix that |
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| 23:37.35 | mycae | yes, both 1.1-3 |
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| 23:38.09 | kevlarman | mycae: and pavucontrol as well? |
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| 23:38.50 | mycae | no, thats earlier. I guess I must need to wait for new pavucontrol. |
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| 23:39.45 | themill | mycae: dependencies in wheezy should be completely consistent. Please pastebin the command you gave and the entire output. Also /msg dpkg bat and provide some of the extra information suggested there |
| 23:39.51 | mycae | pavcontrol reports 0.99.2-1 |
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| 23:40.51 | mycae | http://paste.debian.net/158824/ |
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| 23:41.43 | themill | mycae: that's not showing any problem though... |
| 23:43.23 | mycae | problem : http://paste.debian.net/158825/ |
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| 23:49.18 | Agiofws | hey guys whats a mail list and why did linus code it when he stated to distribute linux 0.01 ? |
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| 23:51.06 | boudiccas | Agiofws; i'm not a guy but i'll still answer you. a mail list is a miling list which you join and get emails sent to you from other mailing list members |
| 23:51.20 | boudiccas | mailing |
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| 23:53.31 | mycae | it looks like pulse audio (1.1) is looking for libpulsecore1.0 as well, based upon strace |
| 23:53.40 | Agiofws | ok and its installed on a web server or something ? |
| 23:53.55 | mycae | but bizarrely, only after it looks for 1.1 |
| 23:55.04 | mycae | found it. esound dependency is broken |
| 23:55.21 | gnarface | dpkg, mailing list? |
| 23:55.22 | dpkg | Mailing lists allow large numbers of people in various time zones to share knowledge and experiences, these communications are also persistent. See http://www.debian.org/MailingLists/ . mbox archives are not provided via the web archive due to Listmaster team policy (BTS #161440), see <gmane>. For lists.debian.org questions, join #debian-lists (OFTC) or e-mail listmaster@lists.debian.org. See also <list spam> and <subscribed>. |
| 23:55.56 | mycae | commenting out ".ifexists module-esound-protocol-unix.so" and friends allows pulse to load |
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