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| 00:00.13 | mycae | still pavucontrol is broken :( |
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| 00:10.08 | Agiofws | something in tomboy must be really broken in debian if i install it it loops the cpu untill my machine hangs ... |
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| 00:11.03 | Agiofws | i've tried everything except from compiling by hand ... ad i remember it starts like 1000000000 instanced of tomboy until it hangs my machine |
| 00:11.33 | Agiofws | it may be a tomboy and GUI issue but i really don't know where to start ... |
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| 00:12.19 | Agiofws | it would be nice if i could migrate from tomboy notes to another note taker ... but i don't know if thats feasible :( |
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| 00:17.22 | mycae | Agiofws, gnote |
| 00:17.57 | Agiofws | mycae, you think i can import tomboy into gnote ? |
| 00:18.06 | mycae | afaik, yes, thats a feature. |
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| 00:18.38 | mycae | gnote is a lightweight replacement for tomboy. |
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| 00:19.51 | Ojol | hi, if I installed debian 6.0.3, around how much would i have to download in upgrades at this point seeing as 6.0.4 is out? |
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| 00:19.59 | Agiofws | very cool let me see |
| 00:20.05 | cardamon | Guh. |
| 00:20.10 | cardamon | connection keeps dropping. |
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| 00:20.29 | alfplayer | Agiofws: i did that about a couple of years ago just renaming a directory, i don't know if it works now |
| 00:20.35 | gnarface | Ojol: it depends a lot on how much stuff you installed. it only upgrades stuff you already had installed |
| 00:20.45 | Agiofws | why so |
| 00:21.03 | Agiofws | what did you do ? |
| 00:21.24 | Ojol | gnarface: yea I mean just the typical system |
| 00:21.35 | alfplayer | Agiofws: i'm looking it up now |
| 00:21.56 | gnarface | Ojol: there isn't really any such thing |
| 00:22.35 | alfplayer | Agiofws: yeah, i just renamed ~/.tomboy to ~/.gnote |
| 00:22.38 | tsccof | Ojol: but the upgrade shouldn't be too huge |
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| 00:23.08 | alfplayer | Agiofws: that was about two years ago, I don't know if it works now |
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| 00:23.34 | Agiofws | heh ... nice |
| 00:23.37 | Ojol | was just curious if it's 100/200/300/etc.. MB or so, and I mean just a cd debian install with only the general system utils installed (cant remember what that option is called in the installer) |
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| 00:26.13 | cardamon | Okay, university network woes. I finally am able to connect but I'm routinely getting dropped. |
| 00:27.17 | cardamon | Signal level is -76 dBm, not that that means anything to me. |
| 00:27.43 | somiaj | cardamon: what wireless card? |
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| 00:28.39 | cardamon | somiaj: Atheros AR5001 Wireless Network Adapter [168c:001c] |
| 00:30.42 | somiaj | does dmesg tell you anything useful. I have similar issues on my university network, but I have decided it is most likely due to my terrible wireless card/drivers (RTL8188CE) |
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| 00:30.58 | somiaj | I thought the Atheros drivers were fairly good though. |
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| 00:31.45 | gnarface | good drivers do NOT require non-free binary-only firmwares |
| 00:31.48 | gnarface | IMO |
| 00:31.49 | cardamon | /var/log/dmesg doesn't have any good timestamps. Can I delete it to have some clarity? |
| 00:34.26 | somiaj | the intersting thigns should be at the end anyways |
| 00:34.51 | cardamon | I have to wait for it to drop I think |
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| 00:41.20 | cardamon | somiaj: something like wlan0: deauthenticating from <some MAC> by local choice (reason=3) |
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| 00:41.55 | cardamon | followed by wlan0: direct probe to AP <some other MAC> (try1) |
| 00:42.11 | cardamon | followed by 2 more tries then a time out |
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| 00:42.40 | somiaj | yea my drivers do the same thing on large university networks....I'm just glad my university provides me a cat5 cable to use in my office |
| 00:43.01 | cardamon | I didn't have this trouble with this machine before. |
| 00:43.16 | cardamon | Maybe a backport of the drivers in squeeze? |
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| 00:43.42 | cardamon | er wheezy |
| 00:43.48 | somiaj | well look for other reasons, maybe something is going wrong with the wireless network and not your card |
| 00:44.28 | cardamon | It's only an issue on this network. Plenty of mac and windows in the library aroudn me with no issue. |
| 00:45.16 | cardamon | ...actually, I take it back..I've been having trouble at having trouble at home as well...only thing different was that I installed the non-free firmware. |
| 00:45.38 | cardamon | b/c I couldn't connect yesterday |
| 00:45.46 | cardamon | but that didn't help |
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| 00:47.56 | cardamon | Tried removing the firmware...that wasn't it. |
| 00:48.05 | cardamon | ...don't think it was using it anyway. |
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| 01:18.41 | Duker | I'm having a problem playing any videos from movie player or vlc. The screen locks up and becomes mostly black with a bunch of white vertical stripes on one side when I try and play anything. Here is the error vlc gives me - http://pastebin.com/ExZ7630r |
| 01:19.28 | Duker | Any suggestions? On a thinkpad t420s, doesn't seem to be a common problem after some googling |
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| 01:19.55 | Duker | Using 3.2.0-0.bpo.1-amd64 |
| 01:19.57 | mycae | [0xc8ce80] avcodec decoder warning: disabling direct rendering <-- ? |
| 01:20.07 | mycae | video card & drivers? |
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| 01:20.29 | ArchDuke | I have a sandy bridge intel CPU with intel hd graphics 3000 |
| 01:20.44 | somiaj | have you installed the xorg from backports as well? |
| 01:21.16 | ArchDuke | I actually don't even have an xorg.conf, when I try and make one I can't log into anything other than tty |
| 01:21.49 | ArchDuke | Where could I check if I installed xorg from backports? I have the backports in my sources list |
| 01:23.00 | mycae | I don't have sandy bridge hardware, but I think the problem being referred to by somiaj is http://stevenrosenberg.net/blog/linux/debian/2011_0822_debian_squeeze_backports . This only applies if you are not running testing |
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| 01:23.35 | ArchDuke | mycae: Thanks! :D |
| 01:23.58 | mycae | Well, I haven't solved the problem, I am just making some guesses. |
| 01:24.10 | somiaj | ArchDuke: apt-cache policy xserver-xorg |
| 01:24.41 | somiaj | ArchDuke: that should tell you what you have installed. But I have helped people get sandy bridge working in squeeze. You need both the kernel from backports (which you have) and then xserver-xorg from backports as well, which is what I asked |
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| 01:24.58 | somiaj | but I have no personal experience with such hardware |
| 01:25.50 | ArchDuke | http://pastebin.com/KB1jSqCF |
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| 01:26.04 | ArchDuke | ^ from 'apt-cahce policy xserver-org' |
| 01:26.09 | somiaj | yea you don't have the backport versions insstalled |
| 01:26.25 | ArchDuke | :D |
| 01:26.31 | somiaj | so you need to do apt-get install -t squeeze-backports xserver-xorg xserver-xorg-video-intel |
| 01:26.34 | somiaj | that hsould fix your problems |
| 01:26.50 | ArchDuke | Thank you so much |
| 01:27.01 | somiaj | you'll have to restart X (or reboot) after the install |
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| 01:29.13 | UsrOfNew | I made a huge mistake with rm as root: I deleted openssl.cnf, where can I find the defaul debian version? Google did not help. |
| 01:30.29 | rypervenche | UsrOfNew: Reinstall openssl |
| 01:30.49 | dvs | !tell UsrOfNew about confmiss |
| 01:30.58 | UsrOfNew | I reinstalled it from source, but it was not restored |
| 01:31.31 | somiaj | read the factoid dvs sent you. If you remove a config file debian assumes you ment to and won't reinstall it by default |
| 01:32.08 | rypervenche | Ooo, I didn't know about that. Thank you. :) |
| 01:32.32 | UsrOfNew | That worked perfectly. Thank you very much. |
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| 01:34.02 | ArchDuke | somiaj: It works! Thanks so much :D |
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| 01:34.56 | goddard | im not trying to start a riot or anything, but I was curious why some one would run debian opposed to ubuntu? |
| 01:35.25 | dvs | !lart goddard |
| 01:35.25 | dpkg | squishes goddard like a bug |
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| 01:35.37 | goddard | ouch |
| 01:35.41 | goddard | :D |
| 01:36.19 | rypervenche | Because I told him to. :) |
| 01:36.29 | dondelelcaro | goddard: lots of reasons, but /msg dpkg why debian; etc. |
| 01:36.44 | rypervenche | And his Ubuntu computer is having constant Plymouth problems. :) |
| 01:37.34 | straterra | win 27 |
| 01:37.53 | ArchDuke | It does have constant problems |
| 01:38.05 | ArchDuke | Restarting it isn't unline roulette |
| 01:38.08 | goddard | dondelelcaro: it said i wish i would RTFM |
| 01:38.14 | goddard | haha |
| 01:38.29 | dondelelcaro | !tell goddard -about why debian |
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| 01:48.32 | goddard | sorry didn't mean to offend anyone just trying to learn |
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| 01:48.56 | elphe | goddard, first there is a distinction between using an os for a server versus for a personnal computer, but general reasons are that debian is more universal, better tested before release, update server dont go away, they do backport Debian is used by a lot of serious administrator for securing web servers |
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| 01:51.08 | elphe | goddard, historically, ubuntu is a variant of debian, kind of a riot :) where people do thing that release must get out faster, sacrifying test period, and for only 4 architectures instead of beeing universal. |
| 01:51.30 | mycae | goddard, best off asking specific questions for assistance, rather than ones that are requests for opinions. |
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| 01:53.26 | nsadmin | elphe, *nod*... and they have their own mirrors too, so their software could be quite different on a ubuntupackage-by-debianpackage basis |
| 01:53.46 | NoOneButMe | ter |
| 01:54.02 | nsadmin | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:54.44 | elphe | goddard, ubuntu is more oriented to beginner, and debian is more oriented server and security |
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| 01:55.33 | nsadmin | and overall stability, and they provide a few rules so you can keep it that way |
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| 01:56.40 | nsadmin | that is, keep it the way the maints intended, and how they define stability, which is NO NEW STUFF after release |
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| 01:57.41 | nsadmin | which doesn't make you a happy camper if you care about newest stuff, since it takes time to stablize a potential release |
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| 01:58.27 | goddard | i see thanks for the responses |
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| 01:59.36 | nsadmin | welcome... and, it DOES make you a happy camper if you care about keeping servers up for longer than a year |
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| 02:07.14 | ajithkanu | -/msg dpkg why debian |
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| 02:12.48 | amanda_ | hi, I wanted to add a harddrive, so I used fdisk to create the partition, then I used mkfs.ext3, and formatted it, then I added this line to /etc/fstab /dev/sdb1 /home/amanda/extraDrive ext3 defaults 0 2 but I can't write as a regular user, only root can use it |
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| 02:15.52 | alfplayer | amanda_: it looks like you need to change permissions on the new partition, so that user "amanda" can read and write |
| 02:16.10 | amanda_ | alfplayer, ahh, thanks |
| 02:16.13 | alfplayer | like using chown |
| 02:16.22 | alfplayer | amanda_: sure |
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| 02:17.32 | amanda_ | alfplayer, thx |
| 02:17.43 | dfc | what happened to the kernel configs that used to be accessible at kernel.alioth.d.o ? |
| 02:17.52 | alfplayer | amanda_: you're welcome |
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| 02:21.41 | hellVisse | hi |
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| 02:29.43 | LordVorp | where is the value set/read that indicates "system clock is UTC" ? |
| 02:29.55 | LordVorp | or rather, not set or read, but STORED |
| 02:30.39 | dvs | LordVorp: /etc/default/rc.S |
| 02:30.43 | dvs | I think |
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| 02:30.48 | LordVorp | checks |
| 02:31.08 | LordVorp | nice! thanks |
| 02:31.12 | dvs | np |
| 02:31.17 | dvs | !beer me |
| 02:31.17 | dpkg | deftly decants a fine Gulden Drak for dvs |
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| 02:33.27 | cardamon | simonlnu: If you're still around, I'm on my home network now andso far having no issues...aside from a little latency since I'm shelled into my server from my netbook while videos are being streamed elsewhere. |
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| 02:37.12 | speedrunnerG55 | Hi |
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| 02:44.39 | blackshirt | hello |
| 02:45.08 | blackshirt | why wvdial can't connect me to internet ? previously i can connect with them.. |
| 02:45.30 | blackshirt | but now, wvdial says --> Disconnecting at Wed Mar 7 09:31:51 2012 |
| 02:45.31 | blackshirt | --> The PPP daemon has died: A modem hung up the phone (exit code = 16) |
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| 03:00.12 | iluminator101 | is there a pdf lighligher in linux ? |
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| 03:06.13 | iwkse | hi, i updated nvidia drivers to version, 295.20 but now dmesg shows, API mismatch: the client has the version 290.10, but this kernel module has the version 295.20. any hint? |
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| 03:09.26 | somiaj | iwkse: how did you do this upgrade and what version of debian are you using |
| 03:09.59 | iwkse | somiaj: debian sid, i updated though apt |
| 03:10.23 | somiaj | did you unload the nvidia module and reload it after this upgrade (or reboot)? |
| 03:10.45 | iwkse | yes |
| 03:10.58 | iwkse | here there's no trace of 290.10 http://pastebin.com/jm0cbmsq |
| 03:11.06 | s3a | how do i remove mon interfaces for the wireless? |
| 03:11.39 | iwkse | ops.. |
| 03:12.07 | somiaj | s3a: what is a mon interface |
| 03:12.20 | s3a | somiaj, have you ever seen something like mon0? |
| 03:12.38 | somiaj | nope, what device/hardware is it attached to? |
| 03:12.51 | s3a | my wireless card |
| 03:12.55 | s3a | have you heard of wlan0? |
| 03:12.57 | iwkse | s3a: why do you want to remove it? |
| 03:13.09 | s3a | because i made several mon0 mon1 |
| 03:13.11 | s3a | etc |
| 03:13.48 | somiaj | s3a: yes I know about wlan0. Havne't ran across mon0 interfaces before |
| 03:14.21 | iwkse | i think you remove it with the same stuff you used to create it |
| 03:14.51 | s3a | somiaj, it's basically some kind of way to tell wlan0 to MONitor |
| 03:14.56 | s3a | a network |
| 03:14.59 | s3a | (i think) |
| 03:15.07 | somiaj | yea that is what it looks like to me from google |
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| 03:15.53 | somiaj | did you use iw to create them? |
| 03:16.03 | s3a | no actually i figured it out |
| 03:16.11 | s3a | iwkse, your weird comment helped lol |
| 03:16.16 | iwkse | i knew :) |
| 03:16.19 | s3a | lol |
| 03:16.24 | s3a | thanks (to both of you) |
| 03:16.38 | iwkse | yw |
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| 03:33.54 | kjs | evening |
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| 03:35.53 | bambanx | sup |
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| 03:36.48 | bambanx | guys for search i am using this command : grep --color=always "mytext_into_files" -R /home/crazycat/Documents/ and work very well but how using it i can change the text too? i mean replace |
| 03:37.13 | ex-parrot | bambanx: man sed |
| 03:37.28 | bambanx | uh? ex-parrot |
| 03:37.40 | ex-parrot | sorry, "look at the man page for sed" |
| 03:37.50 | ex-parrot | it will do what you're after |
| 03:37.59 | bambanx | cool thanks |
| 03:38.54 | bambanx | ex-parrot, it can be used together with grep? |
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| 03:39.18 | ex-parrot | bambanx: I guess... it has a handy "in place" mode where you can apply regular expressions to a set of files directly |
| 03:39.41 | ex-parrot | e.g, sed -i *.cfg -e 's/secret-data/replacement-data/g' |
| 03:39.44 | bambanx | ok |
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| 03:40.45 | bambanx | ty exekias |
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| 03:46.31 | bambanx | damn i cannot understand the man of sed, anyone can write me a example pls? |
| 03:50.51 | civillian | bambanx: are you able to script a loop? Like while? |
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| 03:52.01 | bambanx | civillian, i know what is but i am not sure how i can do on a shell |
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| 03:54.40 | civillian | bambanx: find /home/crazycat/Documents -type f | while read line; do grep "badtext" $line && sed -i -e 's/badtext/goodtext/g'; done |
| 03:55.51 | civillian | bambanx: untested |
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| 03:56.06 | bambanx | i am trying to test now |
| 03:56.08 | bambanx | thanks civillian |
| 03:56.09 | civillian | also you will want $line after the goodtext/g' but before ; |
| 03:56.48 | civillian | bambanx: find /home/crazycat/Documents -type f | while read line; do grep "badtext" $line && sed -i -e 's/badtext/goodtext/g' $line; done |
| 03:56.51 | civillian | ^^ |
| 03:57.16 | bambanx | well all i need to do is find and replace words on files and it show me with colors |
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| 03:57.35 | bambanx | done is a command too? civillian |
| 03:57.50 | civillian | bambanx: done ends the loop created at 'while' |
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| 03:58.03 | bambanx | oh i see civillian |
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| 03:58.24 | bambanx | what mean type -f ? civillian |
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| 03:58.40 | simonlnu | man find |
| 03:58.41 | civillian | bambanx: files |
| 03:58.45 | civillian | yah man find :) |
| 03:59.26 | richo | I've got a module here, I'd like to package it as a .deb so I can push it out to production servers. Is there infrastructure to automate this or do I have to automate it? |
| 03:59.31 | bambanx | i dunno but always i try to read man of a commnand i cannot undertand anything my english is limited and my skills on linux too :( |
| 03:59.39 | richo | A working example would be ideal |
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| 04:02.35 | bambanx | civillian, |
| 04:03.03 | bambanx | civillian, why this show me the files and the word i wanna see on colors , very well : grep --color=always "peorigth" -R /home/crazycat/Documentos/scpnl/ |
| 04:03.05 | bambanx | and |
| 04:03.16 | bambanx | this not grep --color=always "Rodriguez" /home/crazycat/Documentos/test_grep/ |
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| 04:03.42 | bambanx | i dont see the diference and the first works well |
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| 04:08.22 | nsadmin | bambanx, if you're asking questions like "why does grep do X", why not read man grep |
| 04:08.48 | bambanx | nsadmin, <bambanx> i dunno but always i try to read man of a commnand i cannot undertand anything my english is limited and my skills on linux too :( |
| 04:09.14 | nsadmin | no time like the present to practice your ability to read |
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| 04:09.58 | nsadmin | anyway. good luck to you with that |
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| 04:16.31 | bambanx | exist any apps for read forums? i mean like tweet apps but for forums |
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| 04:17.34 | nsadmin | some forum servers are web servers |
| 04:17.39 | acu | It just crazy - I have installed qemu-kvm and virt-manager in Debian wheezy amd64 - and start installing virtual machines (client) but it fails to finish the install - tried both with Squeeze and Wheezy - - I saved a log of 612 k but really I do not know what is going on - can anyone give me a hint ? |
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| 04:18.23 | acu | So it fails during VM install - after all packages are fetched from ftp and half way through install |
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| 04:38.26 | bambanx | what cool calculator for linux we have guys? |
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| 04:40.30 | nofunnyhats | octave? |
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| 04:45.19 | nsadmin | bambanx, take a look at packages.debian.org |
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| 04:47.23 | bambanx | ok thanks nsadmin |
| 04:50.49 | jpinx | I'm trying to boot my native debian squeeze vis vbox on my native XP, but I get a hung sequence http://picpaste.com/pics/vbox-07032012-vbox-problem.1331095709.jpg -- can anyone help out? |
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| 05:00.36 | ronin___ | hi, i'm looking for a mailing list for network admnistrator? |
| 05:01.17 | gnarface | ronin___: why so you can spam it relentlessly or harvest addresses from it and sell them off to the highest bidder? |
| 05:02.11 | ronin___ | gnarface: ?\what? |
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| 05:02.16 | ronin___ | gnarface: what? |
| 05:02.38 | gnarface | ronin___: don't play coy, it doesn't become you |
| 05:02.47 | gnarface | dpkg: tell ronin___ about mailing list |
| 05:04.09 | NishaKitty | anyone have any experience reporting bugs to the debain bug tracker? |
| 05:04.18 | NishaKitty | debian* |
| 05:04.58 | ronin___ | Please someone help I am looking for a mailing list for network admnistrator? |
| 05:05.14 | gnarface | ronin___: i just gave it to you |
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| 05:05.40 | gnarface | dpkg tell NishaKitty about reportbug |
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| 05:06.35 | NishaKitty | I was more needing to talk to someone about a bug I can find out how to report one myself pretty easily |
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| 05:08.50 | Rusty1 | !anyone |
| 05:08.50 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
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| 05:09.51 | gnarface | !ask |
| 05:09.52 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 05:10.24 | NishaKitty | I need help reporting a bug and I need someone with expierence doing so |
| 05:10.28 | NishaKitty | it was pretty clear |
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| 05:10.43 | NishaKitty | it's to do with alsa/pulse if that helps... |
| 05:10.58 | NishaKitty | and related to: http://pulseaudio.org/wiki/BadDecibel |
| 05:11.44 | Rusty1 | !bts |
| 05:11.45 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. See also <apt-listbugs>, <reportbug>. http://wiki.debian.org/HowtoUseBTS |
| 05:12.03 | NishaKitty | yes I know that but I want to talk to someone about bug reporting |
| 05:12.05 | NishaKitty | like I said. |
| 05:14.19 | somiaj | NishaKitty: just ask your question. apt-get install report bug |
| 05:14.32 | somiaj | no space, reportbug |
| 05:15.02 | NishaKitty | "If this listening test reveals that the dB information of your driver is not correct, then please file a bug on your respective distribution bug tracker or the kernel bugzilla (and NOT the PulseAudio bug tracker!)." |
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| 05:15.41 | gnarface | NishaKitty: so, i'm missing out on what it is you exactly are missing |
| 05:15.52 | NishaKitty | gnarface: I'm wondering where to report this issue |
| 05:16.04 | NishaKitty | I've had no luck so far talking to various people on the pulse and alsa channels |
| 05:16.09 | gnarface | NishaKitty: the information both on how to and guidelines on what to submit for bug reports are well documented and the bot has msged you with them all |
| 05:16.26 | gnarface | NishaKitty: maybe instead of ignoring what people have been telling you for the last 10 minutes you should start reading responses |
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| 05:16.36 | NishaKitty | yes but do I report it to debian alsa project or the kernel bug tracker? |
| 05:16.50 | NishaKitty | they were all autoamted and didn't answer the above question |
| 05:17.09 | gnarface | you file it in the debian bug tracker, for the relevant package |
| 05:17.17 | gnarface | by the context of your message i'm assuming that's pulseaudio |
| 05:17.18 | NishaKitty | okay |
| 05:17.26 | somiaj | NishaKitty: first goto bugs.debian.org and serch to see if that bug has already been reported. Second apt-get install reportbug and then run that program and answer the questions. It will guide you though the process |
| 05:17.30 | NishaKitty | gnarface: yeah that's the problem the pulse peopel said it's an issue with alsa |
| 05:17.45 | gnarface | NishaKitty: the debian people will sort it out if you mis-filed it |
| 05:17.46 | NishaKitty | and the bug page they linked me too says report it to the distro or kernel bug trakcer |
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| 05:18.04 | somiaj | if your report it to pulseaudio and it is found to be an alsa issue, the matianer usually updates the bug and moves it to the right place. |
| 05:18.16 | NishaKitty | ok |
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| 05:18.21 | gnarface | debian doesn't have a separate bug tracker for every project. its just one big bug tracker by package. even the kernel (shocking i know) is a package |
| 05:18.29 | Rusty1 | and there are both #pulseaudio and #alsa channels FWIW |
| 05:18.36 | NishaKitty | Rusty1: I've been in both |
| 05:18.48 | NishaKitty | and had a lengthy discussion in the pulse one a few weeks ago |
| 05:19.02 | gnarface | the important part is you report it to debian first (unless its already there) |
| 05:19.14 | gnarface | if its a problem with upstream, debian will take it up with upstream |
| 05:19.27 | NishaKitty | ok |
| 05:19.29 | NishaKitty | thank you |
| 05:19.33 | gnarface | it is very rarely appreciated for you to go directly to upstream yourself |
| 05:19.58 | NishaKitty | good cause I am a bit nervous about reporting bugs there when i've only been using linux for a month |
| 05:20.14 | gnarface | read the guidelines carefully. they tell you exactly what to include in the bug report |
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| 05:29.38 | NishaKitty | reportbug doesn't like me it's segfaulting |
| 05:31.11 | gnarface | that's bad news, do you still have an operational web browser? |
| 05:31.21 | gnarface | you can use the interface on bugs.debian.org |
| 05:31.23 | NishaKitty | yeah everything is wroking fine execpt for reportbug |
| 05:31.26 | NishaKitty | ok thanks |
| 05:31.35 | NishaKitty | guess I might have to report a bug for reportbug x.x |
| 05:32.08 | gnarface | chances are you've got something else broken or horribly outdated that's causing it, but anything is possible |
| 05:32.34 | NishaKitty | I'll try the text version |
| 05:33.16 | gnarface | there's a graphical version of reportbug? |
| 05:33.23 | NishaKitty | yes it's gtk |
| 05:33.23 | gnarface | did not know that |
| 05:33.32 | NishaKitty | unfortunatly now I don't know how to switch it back to console |
| 05:33.48 | gnarface | ctrl-alt-f2 |
| 05:34.13 | NishaKitty | erm I don't wanna go out of my gui just to do it it has --mode= |
| 05:34.22 | NishaKitty | but idk what values that takes tried text and console |
| 05:34.51 | NishaKitty | oh not that then |
| 05:34.55 | gnarface | can't say i ever had the problem, but if you go to bugs.debian.org and click on "how to report a bug" it presents you with alternatives |
| 05:35.18 | NishaKitty | -u text yay |
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| 05:38.27 | NishaKitty | console worked |
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| 05:40.42 | gnarface | it often does |
| 05:41.11 | nsadmin | NishaKitty, do you understand how that whole console thing works in linux? |
| 05:41.56 | NishaKitty | nsadmin: not as much as a lot of people but I've used consoles before |
| 05:42.05 | NishaKitty | why? |
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| 05:43.45 | nsadmin | well here it is... before X was ever tried in linux, they made these virtual console things... the basic deal is you can assign an alt key combo to them... before X, someone had like 64 consoles he could switch between |
| 05:43.51 | nsadmin | Then X came, |
| 05:43.55 | NishaKitty | I know that |
| 05:44.19 | NishaKitty | I'll get around to learning the boot process eventually too |
| 05:44.22 | NishaKitty | lazy though |
| 05:45.07 | nsadmin | and the way that worked was an x display was assigned (also) an alt key combo, and these days debian makes 6 vcs, and if X is started it gets the first free one, which should be on vc7 |
| 05:45.25 | NishaKitty | nsadmin: maybe you know why when you exit the Xorg server then restart it from the console it goes to F8 when normally it goes on F7 |
| 05:45.33 | NishaKitty | so tty7->tty8 |
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| 05:45.56 | nsadmin | because after X is on vc 7, it got created |
| 05:46.04 | nsadmin | so the next free one is 8 |
| 05:46.18 | NishaKitty | nsadmin: wouldn't exiting xorg free tty7 though? |
| 05:46.33 | gnarface | not if your nvidia drivers just locked up |
| 05:46.49 | NishaKitty | hm probably nvidia drivers do some odd things for me already -.- |
| 05:46.57 | nsadmin | well that's actually not a bad idea... free the resources you've allocated... but, they never did that |
| 05:46.59 | richo | nvidia reimplements a lot of the stack |
| 05:47.00 | gnarface | or if you're running a graphical login manager and didn't actually exit X |
| 05:47.18 | NishaKitty | gnarface: does that mean if I exited xorg enough I'd run out of ttys? |
| 05:47.28 | NishaKitty | gnarface: btw that doesn't happen if I restart xorg from kdm |
| 05:47.35 | NishaKitty | only if I completely exit it and restart from console |
| 05:47.51 | gnarface | NishaKitty: honestly i dont' know. i don't recall being able to recreate that situation reliably when everything is working properly |
| 05:47.53 | NishaKitty | so sudo /etc/init.d/kdm start does it |
| 05:48.00 | NishaKitty | ok |
| 05:48.05 | gnarface | ah, i don't use kdm, so maybe that's related |
| 05:48.10 | NishaKitty | could be |
| 05:48.56 | NishaKitty | hopefully I can get this audio issue fixed if I apply one work around it makes my other sound card scale volume wrong too |
| 05:48.57 | gnarface | kdm, gdm, xdm, entrance, and probably a bunch of others combinations of letters i've forgotten or mangled are all considered what i mentioned earlier as "graphical login managers" |
| 05:49.03 | NishaKitty | so no matter what I do I get pains with audio |
| 05:50.07 | NishaKitty | meh report bug posted it twice somehow |
| 05:50.26 | gnarface | audio isn't easy in linux. you have to know slightly more about your audio hardware than microsoft wants you to |
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| 05:51.09 | NishaKitty | gnarface: I have a headset it's reporting it's dBvalues wrong I confirmed it via the method listed here: http://pulseaudio.org/wiki/BadDecibel |
| 05:51.30 | NishaKitty | I have a feeling fixing it will not be fun though they mention the use of a loopback cord to get the right values can't do that on a usb headset |
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| 05:52.07 | gnarface | NishaKitty: luckily for you there are alternative audio subsystems. you don't have to figure out pulseaudio at great cost - you can choose from a number of solutions and learn any or all of them at great cost |
| 05:52.28 | NishaKitty | gnarface: I want the pulse features alsa would probably work but it can't do all the things I want to |
| 05:52.43 | gnarface | like hwat? |
| 05:52.54 | NishaKitty | easy switching from cards without interuppting audio streams |
| 05:53.03 | NishaKitty | I like to switch from my headset to speakers |
| 05:53.20 | gnarface | hmm. my speaker set does that for me. you may be right |
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| 05:53.36 | NishaKitty | usb audio is a different story hehe |
| 05:54.26 | gnarface | i've had by far the least trouble of all alsa-supported devices with creative labs live! series cards |
| 05:54.33 | gnarface | although that's not to say NO trouble |
| 05:54.48 | NishaKitty | my realtek audio is fine |
| 05:54.51 | NishaKitty | on my laptop |
| 05:55.01 | NishaKitty | it's my microsoft lx-3000 headset that is causing the problems |
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| 05:55.17 | gnarface | but at least they support native hardware mixing out the wazooo (live! cards) so that simplifies a lot of application-level configuration when it comes to sharing the soundcard |
| 05:55.24 | NishaKitty | yep |
| 05:55.27 | NishaKitty | I don't have that on my chip |
| 05:55.34 | nsadmin | I wonder if a jack setup can stay up if hardware is switched out |
| 05:55.35 | NishaKitty | it's all software I think |
| 05:56.30 | nsadmin | hardware meaning the thing that drives actual analog devices like speakers and headphones |
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| 05:56.41 | NishaKitty | nods |
| 05:56.59 | elphe_ | hi |
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| 05:57.07 | nsadmin | I mean, that's what you want to switch out sometimes, right? |
| 05:57.36 | NishaKitty | I just like switching to my headphones and I have a laptop with inbuilt speakers and a usb headset |
| 05:57.51 | NishaKitty | plus I like switching the streams on the fly |
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| 05:58.23 | NishaKitty | if I had analog headphones I could probably do it but usb has better sound |
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| 05:59.04 | NishaKitty | so I'm stuck with pulse I like it's features I hate the issues I run into |
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| 06:00.21 | somiaj | just be nice if they would try to implement the features into alsa in a nice way, I just have always disliked the sound daemon design |
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| 06:00.53 | NishaKitty | somiaj: I can't really comment on that I just use it |
| 06:00.58 | NishaKitty | pulse that is |
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| 06:01.22 | NishaKitty | I'm sitting here wondering if those db values are somewhere in /sys or /dev |
| 06:01.32 | NishaKitty | and thinkinghow I might be able to echo my own into it ;p |
| 06:01.54 | nsadmin | somiaj, you and Faberman, the guy who did the rme driver, have that opinion in common... |
| 06:02.14 | somiaj | NishaKitty: its a design issue, pulse runs atop of alsa (so now you have two systems), and thus you now have to make all your applications talk to pulse, and if you need/want to use an application that doesn't problems arise and so on. I just don't like the design (Though it dose allow for a lot of nice features) |
| 06:02.19 | nsadmin | in fact he dislikes alsa so much, he won't do an alsa driver for it... it's all in jack |
| 06:02.33 | NishaKitty | somiaj: I guess so |
| 06:02.51 | NishaKitty | what I don't get is alsamixer can see the db values and scale my volume a-ok |
| 06:02.54 | NishaKitty | only pulse messes up |
| 06:03.09 | NishaKitty | alsamixer knows what it's doing why does pulse not |
| 06:03.24 | somiaj | nsadmin: I don't mind alsa, though I have alywas just used a sblive and oss worked fine with that card and so dose alsa. The switch from oss to alsa was a pain but I can't think of any software I now run that requires oss compadability. |
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| 06:04.24 | nsadmin | it's been a few years since I've had an sblive pci |
| 06:04.36 | NishaKitty | I probably have a few |
| 06:04.51 | NishaKitty | I only have a laptop now though |
| 06:05.40 | somiaj | I'm still using the sblive card in my laptop I got in 1999, card treats me really well. |
| 06:05.41 | nsadmin | I still have yet to replace my desktop's ps |
| 06:05.58 | somiaj | hardwear mixing, and solid drivers in both oss and alsa |
| 06:05.58 | NishaKitty | I have a core i7 they don't come with sblives xD |
| 06:06.31 | somiaj | NishaKitty: desktops i put in my own sound cards, but yes laptops are where I have all my sound issues too cause of crappy hardware/drivers. (: |
| 06:06.48 | NishaKitty | somiaj: my laptop sound works fine it's my usb headset |
| 06:06.51 | somiaj | though really I have had little issues with this intel_snd_hda seems fairly good and works with dmix |
| 06:06.54 | NishaKitty | and they'd both wrok fine with alsa |
| 06:07.10 | NishaKitty | I have intel based one too |
| 06:07.12 | NishaKitty | realtel |
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| 06:07.26 | gnarface | i had shit tons of trouble with snd_hda_intel but they were primarily related to lack of current or even complete alsa documentation |
| 06:07.40 | gnarface | after some brute-force trial-and-error i figured out how to make it behave |
| 06:07.58 | NishaKitty | HDA Intel, Realtek ALC272 |
| 06:09.13 | gnarface | i've got some nvidia ripoff |
| 06:09.27 | gnarface | 00:07.0 Audio device: nVidia Corporation MCP72XE/MCP72P/MCP78U/MCP78S High Definition Audio (rev a1) |
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| 06:10.44 | NishaKitty | oh those |
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| 06:11.52 | gnarface | yea some onboard thing |
| 06:12.06 | gnarface | after two bios updates it stopped being flaky |
| 06:12.23 | gnarface | i have to pass a handful of options to the snd_hda_intel module to get it to do 5.1 sound properly |
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| 06:12.35 | NishaKitty | heh x.x |
| 06:12.37 | gnarface | its supposed to auto detect but ... when has that ever worked right? |
| 06:12.59 | NishaKitty | works for me butg I have to turn it off cause it works for my realtek but not my headset lol x.x |
| 06:13.24 | NishaKitty | and then when I turn off the db I have to go mess with pulses alsa sound pathws so my realtek works right |
| 06:13.27 | NishaKitty | it's tons of fun |
| 06:13.32 | nsadmin | with that module... never in my experience |
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| 06:14.01 | gnarface | just in case anyone else has one of these nvidia versions of the hardware, here's the line that makes it work right: options snd_hda_intel index=0 model=6stack-dig enable_msi=1 position_fix=1 |
| 06:14.03 | NishaKitty | could be worse it could not work at all |
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| 06:16.46 | gayasentinel | Привет! Здесь есть русскоговорящие? |
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| 06:19.15 | nsadmin | gayasentinel, russian? |
| 06:19.20 | nsadmin | !ru |
| 06:19.21 | dpkg | Это английскоговорящий канал, пожалуйста, говорите по-английски или посетите #debian-russian (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian) |
| 06:19.25 | gayasentinel | yes, russian |
| 06:19.29 | gayasentinel | Hi! |
| 06:19.33 | darkelfjuggalo | hey everyone. My laptop's power supply jack went out [part you plug the cord into], so Now I am trying to prep an '06 EMachine D3315 for Debian... I do not beleive the Archetecture is i686 though, but I am not sure where to look to confirm this |
| 06:19.38 | nsadmin | hi, or here for english if you want |
| 06:19.39 | gayasentinel | Thank you! |
| 06:20.07 | nsadmin | your choice |
| 06:22.29 | somiaj | darkelfjuggalo: do you konw the processor inside the computer? |
| 06:22.34 | darkelfjuggalo | how do i find the archtecture of my computer? |
| 06:22.45 | Coweater | darkelfjuggalo: googling turns up a sempron 3300+ which is 32-bit only, i686 is what you want, even if it's a 64-bit processor i686 will work |
| 06:23.03 | darkelfjuggalo | let me doublecheck the system informati |
| 06:23.34 | darkelfjuggalo | i remember seeing the word sempronj with AMD in front of it |
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| 06:23.46 | darkelfjuggalo | sempron |
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| 06:25.24 | NishaKitty | darkelfjuggalo: run lscpu |
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| 06:26.18 | somiaj | darkelfjuggalo: i686 will be just fine |
| 06:26.20 | darkelfjuggalo | NishaKitty, i am presently in a windows XP |
| 06:26.31 | NishaKitty | oh... |
| 06:26.35 | NishaKitty | do this |
| 06:26.57 | NishaKitty | hmmm |
| 06:27.13 | NishaKitty | try systeminfo from the command prompt |
| 06:27.26 | gayasentinel | I have Wi-Fi module Broadcom ID=4315, with WL module from Broadcom (STA). I cannot connect on my Wi-Fi router after change MAC-adresses on my Wi-Fi module on my notebook. My OS Ubuntu 11.04. I try change MAC-adresses on my notebook with netork-manger, ifconfig, /etc/network/interfaces - no effect. |
| 06:27.31 | darkelfjuggalo | Can I run a form of Dist upgrade from windows to squeeze? i can't burn new discs, and i don't want to have to load etch then dist-upgrade through lenny and squeeze |
| 06:27.38 | NishaKitty | or boot a live cd would be better |
| 06:28.09 | somiaj | darkelfjuggalo: do you have usb thumbdrive? |
| 06:28.11 | NishaKitty | darkelfjuggalo: systeminfo | findstr "Processor" |
| 06:28.19 | NishaKitty | aff -.- |
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| 06:28.26 | darkelfjuggalo | no i do not |
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| 06:28.50 | somiaj | darkelfjuggalo: there are methods to install or boot from an iso on your windows harddrive. Check the install manual on debian.org |
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| 06:29.02 | rockasdkj\ | Is anyone here a ruck roog |
| 06:29.09 | rockasdkj\ | 189.229.0.1 |
| 06:29.12 | rockasdkj\ | 178.145.0.1 |
| 06:29.17 | NishaKitty | darkelfjuggalo: systeminfo | findstr "Family" |
| 06:29.17 | rockasdkj\ | Shoematsu desu, nibble the hair buns with caution Belgable wolf waffy. Is anyone here a rubberty dugger? Is anyone a reggy dick plegger? Shoody spalooj moojer! Mella McTastrum. Is this happy hour at the retard shack again? ron ron reggatoon. Walla julie malerf luck. Weggerty wing yaing plucking time! |
| 06:29.19 | NishaKitty | that should work |
| 06:29.19 | rockasdkj\ | Gotta set up for the suicide slide Gamma mareenmon. I've got more scrap ass shit than you can balieve with. Sally McNuffo whip. after secv on a sp00ky stream Fagga foo regga makegg mahoun. Its all fun and games until the power goes out. Mennima Pay Street. Rubbity dib dadge pickard. Lelly in ma kellar. |
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| 06:29.21 | rockasdkj\ | Float a pelly plack ass. You're a digital dumbass. Smuggy jaloo meff jillahole. Dick, dick, dick dickaloo! Dick dickaloo my darling. Haggity ma heggal hole. nuriggerdy diggal. Visi blurb cage. O melon man mist meluhn mijohn. Oh man mellajoram. Hebble oh babble. |
| 06:29.23 | rockasdkj\ | Two guns and a ruck roog. Turned into a hollow loop. |
| 06:29.25 | rockasdkj\ | Ploona lefflie ludge picking! Haggy smith heddal, marry oh dettal. Hannabalist, no cannibalist, no hannibalist balievar. Ban dackoo. Put on weight! Wherr wiss fall, nudge plucking. too many |\|igg/\s, that's my line. I'm squirt with the worth of the mother plucking fine. Hoomee missee Mic daisy too. Davey oh doubt. Meggie mahoo middle. |
| 06:29.27 | rockasdkj\ | Too many Romulan potatoers. Matoonal dakkal. Helly muhp, melly muhp, runna minuck taste-rum. Wack ass weight! Hellamanorf weg watthal. I think I'll just start to try my McTasterums. Rubbity boom ducking. Hitchaleval exasht romice. Up with jelly my humpfrins. Uva devil miss tee pie. She can't poo! |
| 06:29.29 | rockasdkj\ | Shniqqen munuh lik leggal perritolma penis pran chella maloney day breeze Paahster jam ban wikkle. Hella mah lun mick hella malole. Hella minull mic mella manoh. The roadline, it's illegal. Trully mulla mih nole. I'm a relladge-o-melladge-o-ram. Come on you fuckin dag asses. |
| 06:29.31 | rockasdkj\ | Damned ram bastions. McJellio oper Smelly gruthergrarin trilaxals. withers ground ring air Puggle dee maggle dee mack traggle Jeremy sniqqle. Jeremy spoken, in next day I brusht boyered, I kicked a ball! mellaminorf troll protectors, trolls on the road! troll protectors, their stones of power glow! |
| 06:29.32 | rockasdkj\ | Fleeberty dith bub, a hick now a hither they humpty tance Hunchell munch a reg uhl schoolio tress nael Chuck a lick a loon baby tunes Weerz mellicorp To the wack ann watching machine wells darilla raptor plexing |
| 06:29.34 | rockasdkj\ | Shligga ligga millik hole Shligga ligga millik hole regamakio mathjul hah there Just like in Bart Simpson the Magazine! Ban ricky ban glicky jallo whip! menario mibs Pahorp pahilla thin meffrin slujjal jeggy moran magomorph baleener |
| 06:29.36 | rockasdkj\ | I spell it throwt, you spell it throat, the real way to spell it is throwt throwt THROWT! Hux a mex a lig dwarf dudikolan mail street. Rella manae, Rella Manae, Rye dut duh! I'm living on budgy placky street. Reggal dee deck shweener Hicker trellalicker |
| 06:29.38 | rockasdkj\ | What part of that doesn't make sense to you robo I'm rang dang smacking it up to the reck a heek a horn drom. Rag agg big chacka lo datey fifty. Sniggital maggal Shelly a jelly a jew lillaputan meglamarian necks booga man Rejja mella mic jeggal Baika looka reg tag |
| 06:29.39 | nsadmin | !ops rockasdkj\ |
| 06:29.39 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: nsadmin complains about: rockasdkj\ |
| 06:29.40 | rockasdkj\ | Throat a pelly proat raick axe. It doesn't eat muggo whip. It's a piece of paiper. Scrubbity ass ragamahoun. Raggity ass maga muffin. Where's songy brother? Where's spongy brother? Jellanie mic flyer. Paloody pluck bag ack. Paloody pluck bag ack. |
| 06:29.42 | rockasdkj\ | Whyn you call it throat throwt. I'm a baffy hoe. Flivvy a niv von neffran. Purity and prudence I'm suing for diaper damage. Scragg a billy blunk rake rast eye heeker, playmus guy I don't know what a rubbity dabby is. Scrunny maloo lef heel hole. Scrunny maloo lef heel hole. |
| 06:29.44 | rockasdkj\ | Arthie shlellijge. Arthie shlellidge. Talking about a bee turning into a guano root. today I'm doing pasta, i crumble it and pan fry it. Fuckin frosty. david hippa lappa pomprin. Is anyone here a hemp hole? Yeah, well shnijjy mc millicker: i know billy knalavolitz. |
| 06:29.46 | rockasdkj\ | The Baby Faced Assassin pond. yrummin! Shmega melanie goetz I'm smacking it up to the electrify beam, smacking it to the galactify beam! Smackin the penis with the erectify beam! When will another green skroan the horrified scream |
| 06:29.48 | rockasdkj\ | Rubbity dag daggy dib dib, daggy daggy dib dib, daggy daggy diggy diggy dib, throwt a welly wheel wall Reppity shcrep bam bam rep rep paranep Shnubbity shnib up bam bam Givin' me twice, i a molst a meeka pleck. Givin' me twice, a molst a meeka pleck. |
| 06:29.50 | rockasdkj\ | Jeminee smucking smiggle. Halittle halorst hamerrian sects nep tep hotep gargle dee gook mackie mchellic hole. My niqqer dee dag sparky. Ponto comical blessnor I'm dain dead. Razor renzor manellik s-meg smeg you're all smegs. We're hovvy hella pruss miss puss Smelly mudga munaqqal Posta wicka holma melancholy laggam |
| 06:29.52 | rockasdkj\ | Shmelly a mellac. Cloaky active camoflauge mail bow Warez into a whoop coup daddy deam, I filed a lawsuit with G.L.E.A.M. Dag a ricka bleg nagg. Richel reprezhnik rally mic hoe whip. |
| 06:29.52 | somiaj | !ops |
| 06:29.53 | dpkg | Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the operators to deal with a specific problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban. |
| 06:29.53 | rockasdkj\ | fucking ass licking piss sucking cunt. Threnthie oh pod throonis Tragallellah. bweeey eeeiw! bweeeeey ail! shnib polmans mahhal wourney Track a mix a meg norge |
| 06:29.55 | rockasdkj\ | Flathican fellow street. Mc Grellae Mc Regegg. Prag a cuckian bag of gunk. Duh nuh nihh nuh farty milligers. Par boockalie twistie taiter. Tittly spoof bee Trellie oh dabble Antenna rethal Fucky daddy dicky Fucky daddy dicky |
| 06:29.57 | rockasdkj\ | Chucka lucka ling to the chucka looka lat, man can't be banned! Dee oh doing! Chili box sand reggat. Crackity raggity ann shaggy rab rabble smiley oh diley oh reggal na meck transhole In a tough manner pung dungh chicka licka bang dad. Guess what you smartie millickan jallefnaord. Spend rellik maholmes. |
| 06:29.59 | rockasdkj\ | Rudda boom boom dugging. My name is jameel my name's jamaan. Take this you fuckin' brack stab from buck hole. Brag a cuck of bintorns. I had to have jalooch to have breakfast. Trug a leck leg hole. Tellah mef raf. Trukkle trella lickle mazzle trag. Shab shab skrellix magellix |
| 06:30.01 | rockasdkj\ | Roonah bucky blay lee! Roonah bucky blay lee! An aggle dee dak beyond the premier. switch up to a wedge pluckie A jecka looch reft round! poochin maleggal Drek a lek meek foamie. shlick a jig jeffjob A jella jitch manifest Horkin malurgis hoarde. prebelally mobijowrist. |
| 06:30.02 | somiaj | !ops spam |
| 06:30.02 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: somiaj complains about: spam |
| 06:30.03 | rockasdkj\ | Fartily gas farts on someone's jacket. Hicka low daggal. Manil hill the jiller. Reet dih doo deh dih, reet deh doo duh. dendridic millimorph cardackio cleptio maggle Jackintoshy zillword. Just another macgasm trexie o mario bubble. I had to have a mummified wheat bread. |
| 06:30.05 | rockasdkj\ | Slaggy McNelly O-Loop. Hillie Millie. Mijujik calej loft, shweener screlly mellamanorf. The plux to the plack a leak a lithio meth galactical terrial tuesday. Ploody loon, back a toon! ron ton a jelly a shawn. Herd mah thuh fah thuh. Jeggal mig ella cracker. trellamanorf mick hick hole |
| 06:30.07 | rockasdkj\ | Rump tump tiddle doo, rump dump damn. Farbooky twistie taiter. Farbooky twistie oh plox. jickellastrip shtiffy Trellie oh dabble Sabba7kom allah bilkhair ya rawafeth 3ash men shafek. 3alaikom essalam mawlana. 9eqeleyya kaanat men madresat Averroes. plan dan duckalin jee uhst waistband |
| 06:30.09 | rockasdkj\ | Sparra kitha mellon hoh snail bookanees. Pucka hoonkin dick ass waste. Triclapian transcripts. Are you a jalellaputian? Arthie midge millik. See that is why I keep going "galactico trallie o-reggal" Cuckin twanbastin wigwams shmagga miggal smell-it syllabalistic macro. Oh-rellage oh ram |
| 06:30.11 | rockasdkj\ | Trellik mic jelliger. Throwty a pellage plex. Spigga McGregor peggly oh dabble Hicky trellalick. You stupid pudgy fucker. Sneqqal segagal. Purital laggy oh baggal. Bucka broon broom shella muluk mic niqqer. Rooshta shpella. Plocky of pleckal bag a cuck of frin torns |
| 06:30.13 | rockasdkj\ | Wa Alikum salam wa rehmatullah e wa barakat. Tarka dellalie dool. Mig iff raheg hord. Raga nahoolie jeg narf. Hellage rellage o-ram well to do it pollis Scribble dee babble. Mezzle ma norf. Praggity no maddak Duck a ween wark. You shpuffy shpook ma leggin don't be such a terrorisdt. |
| 06:30.14 | rockasdkj\ | Hedgy McPillik. Hocka licka meals on weals. Batman, batware, guess who could be in the next Batman movie? It could be you! Galactical tactical earns the hard way. Maggie Mig mellijopod. trar ga moogly a mix traeger Puh reb deb dejjer. fuck jalafi jalive. |
| 06:30.16 | rockasdkj\ | Leepadipa did away. lovely women spit things. shnep a leppie loon. smellagajee smellamanew. Fruggity diggty! Scrunny maloo lef heel hole shlody shlicka rabbits Galactical tactical plack ass. Pawikki scrap runa mallilligram. pick tatots. Conifanible pluckin. Boom bam shpaghetti monk. |
| 06:30.18 | rockasdkj\ | Sum bum parlacktical barthy backthickal. partrusially prtregally reggal megagal. You fuckin roody poot noink. Smullah jah litch jitch runhole. Shit up you bad ass. Is anyone here a rubbity deaf nard. Sniggital wathal whip. Thylacoleo carnifex for a pet, hugga ghigga micomprin. Don't fuck with my restaurant! |
| 06:30.20 | rockasdkj\ | Truggity reg up rim dum, a spoon contacts the kinigigal concern. trust no one, tiger miller Michelle and jantsy with a banshee! pasa wuh thuh fail the jookified coin. Oh my gum! Oh my gum! It's oh ho ho he's here! Malika joola jalegnorf. Malika joola jalegnorf. Heggal the munch tunch taste rins. |
| 06:30.22 | rockasdkj\ | Prestegious milla ma hoe. Panny meffa lick waifers. Malorf jin, jalallally jin, screggat mo meggat mo methalithal lowdown. It's oh ho ho she's here! Has anyone here ever been to the bastard zones? Shmeggal dee mech eck golms. Boon toon underwear, boon town. |
| 06:30.24 | rockasdkj\ | Veronika, days of joy, happy time for girls and boys. Fuggle dee daggle. Ploody pluck a loon, baby tunes. Hella mah nor. Snuggity rabbity pit street. Hackel meal McZhellikehr. Wooh wee! spagg midge mellot. Jello mic tatum. Trucka looger legga baby. martial mic reg egg trans mestrials |
| 06:30.28 | rockasdkj\ | Mella Midge Mister Pluggity ricking. Rab trab traisies. fruggity hesterani knellect. Rumpin dumpin dighole. Rumpin Dumpin durds. Barvis joon a hear a harvey snards. Jellis mellis Trelalix twixt nick davey. Rawl eenf rurst o plast. Rella mahole rick. |
| 06:30.29 | rockasdkj\ | Scrunny mit tack pick jack. I'm talkin bout plucky PLUCKIE pluckie o'hare. withers ground ring air. parchookalie buckle, weeh eeh. pluckily boosier bael regget ramajot. bartoofteein regleg. Ret round hujamima bound. Tickle me timbers. Farg duddly uck uck darg marg. Hosh a mosh a luke a leek a leggin! Audacity of it all, you feel small |
| 06:30.31 | rockasdkj\ | Clarbudgy cabujjin, Carblinkin carblastan carbleggegg. Are bastion you jastuin. We're all for the Kardassians who lost the war against the Federation, don't you tell worf we need another ration. Fargleb skeeol skowl all bleb. carmattick raticular pledge mahole heel. Mettick marial mahoney blastokist |
| 06:30.32 | rockasdkj\ | Shmartooty boots breath. Rennimino rick taid. Renniminnow rick taid. Carbloochy bad ass. Renna ma nick patrol. A chucka oo maow maow, chucka oo maow maow, a chucka oo mow maow, chucka oo maow maow. Panta hoasta leeka tolweth hade. Rum dump dump digalagger. |
| 06:30.34 | rockasdkj\ | Cannabalism regamalan. Bardacian bull-horne mooses aren't in this quadrant of the galaxy. Playin' Star Trek Online cause it's free to play, just like All Points Bulletin: Reloaded and Final Fantasy XIV. Eee dah climp lah plocky ug tug tech. |
| 06:30.37 | rockasdkj\ | I went out with twenty of those rebbity jellickers. we're all midge millickers. Puh reb deb dejjer. Galactical tactical plack ass. Rump tump tiddle doo, rump dump damn. Ban ricky ban glicky jallo whip! Pahorp pahilla thin meffrin. Reggal dee deck shweener. It doesn't eat muggo whip. |
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| 06:30.40 | rockasdkj\ | It's a piece of paiper. Scrubbity ass ragamahoun. Raggity ass maga muffin. maggity von heffrin Shtooty mic blackened. Shooty hick black and pick tatots. hugga ghigga micomprin. Don't fuck with my restaurant! Truggity reg up rim dum. a spoon contacts the kinigigal concern. trust no one, tiger miller. |
| 06:30.43 | rockasdkj\ | Michelle and jantsy with a banshee. prebelally mobijowrist. Fartily gas farts on someone's jacket. Where's spongy brother. eye heeker playmus guy. Helly midge mushkin. Rumina mee drowls wall width. |
| 06:30.43 | rockasdkj\ | I've got your mother's pussy juice bottled, I sell it out of my house |
| 06:30.43 | rockasdkj\ | S.ll.a.g.g.y mc pit street. Hustler hova heeva Chick ova heeva ova heeva. Braxalarian blalalxrals. snuggity rab rab rabbits. Snuggies aren't selling anymore. most people don't know what a "snuggie" is. Halla micka wheel wyaujtkchtpt. |
| 06:30.45 | rockasdkj\ | Spaqqa miffa liffa leggin. Terry baloris trickaleggal. Sequester mlajjap eastro diz hamta wan ta licka holmus preed. Scatty picka loon dunes. Hoakalin McGregoar. Roddy McFlyer. Hillie Midge Millik! Arfie McChaffer Chickababy |
| 06:30.45 | *** kick/#debian [rockasdkj\!~debhelper@unaffiliated/debhelper] by debhelper (use http://paste.debian.net or /msg dpkg paste) |
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| 06:30.50 | rockasdkj\ | Shaggy mig rehehehehehehp Spleggy melajamick pick tatot. Pegila meligomesk pigilidack fellijiscrap barckarian bustrap piggin kegalarelej shtooty shtipt kid mlelagaraphix transslits |
| 06:30.51 | rockasdkj\ | Milla jalaoft jitch breakfast Peef pond pallooleol babble. I had to have sex in diapers! I HAD TO HAVE SEX IN DIAPERS! diaper sniper days, everyone knows about sex. it pays when my nickname used to be snake. |
| 06:30.54 | rockasdkj\ | Puritalin baggy of gunk. my name's not tristan it's rastan. rallin for null like a holdy hook black ann. Tiny tim, dick ass whim. Shaloody shlock braze made. Pullilcoch dravinarial balactal guarns. |
| 06:30.54 | rockasdkj\ | Albatross doog ee rook rack egg. Wanny manilnorf traggat muh hilli hole back street pormande usft vadinal deena. sex with a shoogie look laygie. Zellamanorf worf wallow. isn't that up the street? |
| 06:30.55 | rockasdkj\ | Shlagg lagg McNellanorf. I'm a jalooch jooch jeggal jalalicker. Tricky ass jillickers. Dev dev developers and wheat. /jalack a mic taxle\ juki al juba nas wat eerie fun, jest maleel oo had, lala in mackmod. Fifty tramps. |
| 06:30.59 | rockasdkj\ | Mister Doofie's diapers. Pahole hell wack pahole hell paiper. jegga rilla ma jorf. plack a pleek meladromic mezzistove tricky the band needs a tan no one cares about care bears eatch mizzle tag the mazer milojprafft malidge praft |
| 06:31.02 | rockasdkj\ | Mahole hack mellow the wiper. Milla janil. plex kuying flying trev plegs. Jaloffin Jalillobie. I'm in your cement. Parudgy rij jelellolebob. blanky rich fandestriovon. Galaxio trabble. Hef a heavy hompfrin pole. Jalooshitty scrooch |
| 06:31.04 | rockasdkj\ | I've got more track ass gangsta shit than you could ever come up with. |
| 06:31.05 | rockasdkj\ | Shneggin manellik reggal! Claviparin Varsaipiant reznik. Asteeo shpit iff ma hole. Barsloochin migif mahole. Miggif mahendron. MCGoodwin Trellalicker! Trellix two trellalix truxix. Magedwined moodwin. Pocky maggat mahoney maholoaf. Scragg not sweener |
| 06:31.05 | rockasdkj\ | Calej loft ridge muh gorrie mack. Citaldroff metahynoon rickardo Pren pen parillo. nargofio gaxal fargothik well wheaty exiliant the meeky Pargrether the doplin underniner jockliship striffy Pallatoonie prudence palaxoiriot. Putty cad adt red et snooper dooper |
| 06:31.06 | rockasdkj\ | Margy mixalef a lig dwarf. We're talking about real life gellairio sects here. Rang brang brelladge maneer. Turtikle jellejej galaxial protowaxial blove ass ween thiggle mannella muh norf. Partruzhion kopuxtin here we work at emeny bes baas tookany benna bastard bookanees. |
| 06:31.06 | *** kick/#debian [rockasdkj\!~debhelper@unaffiliated/debhelper] by debhelper (use http://paste.debian.net or /msg dpkg paste) |
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| 06:31.10 | rockasdkj\ | Maluj slij jalilahole. Kanga tilla to pleck. Hajjamellion morph clepicon. Giffy maga drellapator texel. Angellico padge prella rarian plarian reggal baddle. Pash pa helican, padge wathfond wallow maneel. Midge muh jih murathum. |
| 06:31.13 | rockasdkj\ | Isopolavial interface. Four times the square root of the intermix ratio. Uglefrin. No comment. Throat a pelly rouch a pellax. Belchers bonans Pledge pledgy teddeliton. Fusing petons with jekeley hoe whip. Prellej whip masty snacker. Prestige rella hoe with buffo whoops. |
| 06:31.15 | rockasdkj\ | Duvida tess miss ravakajeerion. Parjoonie a gone rufita snaftal. Hasons honishers pargonial vell of the whip Puck a toony twayster. Hella mikcrest of a momajamish yearns to the mucky twayster ess pee ain ein prepare for launch rut dat gat mabah marron. Pargosy man jellots maran. Deemed honshman |
| 06:31.16 | rockasdkj\ | Mella mic toadis. Jempy karbozilajz. Packrestial poolio payil. Pug giga ran, pugogga rist, pagegga wreth. Ant beyond my cheeves. I'm the son of god, I'm the son of man. Parhexial reggal martillago meg regs. Shlug shluh liggeran rapsh nazh. Chunnif mahayver Sonic shaffer |
| 06:31.16 | rockasdkj\ | Hom jaref shpoot like a shpanker. Drelek meek mekhomie hahnalillalie hej magellomie moog scriggat the rotch def fohkood. Helledge ah-rood! Helladge hick death Twiddle ee lit amamo ahamo. Ledgy pledge ih ma thelicroth. So king haneez, praise kinga knees. Seminole. Sermon off. |
| 06:31.16 | rockasdkj\ | 76.178.0.1 |
| 06:31.17 | *** kick/#debian [rockasdkj\!~debhelper@unaffiliated/debhelper] by debhelper (use http://paste.debian.net or /msg dpkg paste) |
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| 06:31.21 | maik | ffs |
| 06:31.39 | rockasdkj\ | Shoematsu desu, nibble the hair buns with caution Belgable wolf waffy. Is anyone here a rubberty dugger? Is anyone a reggy dick plegger? Shoody spalooj moojer! Mella McTastrum. Is this happy hour at the retard shack again? ron ron reggatoon. Walla julie malerf luck. Weggerty wing yaing plucking time! |
| 06:31.43 | mosno | it's quiet. too quiet. |
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| 06:32.24 | darkelfjuggalo | ok i have the manual open, but I'm highly frustrated with the way my day has gone, and would hope someone can direct me to a chapter on this topic to make things easier |
| 06:32.39 | maik | which manual? |
| 06:32.51 | rockasdkj\ | 68.34.0.1 |
| 06:33.13 | nsadmin | darkelfjuggalo, contact authenticmanprogram.com for help with frustration (or deal with it any other way) |
| 06:34.19 | NishaKitty | visits site out of curiousity |
| 06:34.38 | maik | it's a trap! |
| 06:34.46 | rockasdkj\ | 41.141.0.1 |
| 06:34.56 | maik | !ban rockasdkj\ |
| 06:35.01 | maik | hmm |
| 06:35.08 | dax | rockasdkj\: stop that, please. |
| 06:35.20 | maik | it's a bot... i think |
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| 06:35.32 | rockasdkj\ | Two guns and a ruck roog. |
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| 06:35.50 | nsadmin | it seems it's testing something |
| 06:35.55 | darkelfjuggalo | the manual i'm referring to is the Debian installation manual so i can find a way to move from XP to Debian without having to create a an ISO disc or thumb since i do not have either, nor do i wish to spend a week upgrading from etch to lenny, to squeeze again |
| 06:36.14 | mario_ | I have a problem with debian on beagle bone, I am following this instructions http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardDebian#Debian_NetInstall everything works fine I installed debian successfully on a 1GB SD card. My problem is that when I put the installer in a 4GB card the installer is not booting. could some one help me? |
| 06:36.22 | rockasdkj\ | shpoot like a shpanker |
| 06:36.29 | NishaKitty | darkelfjuggalo: how do you plan to install debian with no installation media then? |
| 06:36.42 | rockasdkj\ | 38.123.0.1 |
| 06:36.55 | nsadmin | could maybe write a live cd image to a disk partition |
| 06:37.18 | maik | darkelfjuggalo: you're going to need some boot-strapped media |
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| 06:38.00 | maik | darkelfjuggalo: if you have a spare flash drive, download pen drive linux and choose the debian netinstall ISO, then you can boot from that, do your base install and net install |
| 06:38.26 | darkelfjuggalo | I remember someone saying there was a way to Overwrite an existing OS via an internet download, but at the time i didn't need to bother with it... maybe i was mixing up the question though |
| 06:38.29 | rockasdkj\ | 80.235.0.1 |
| 06:38.37 | rockasdkj\ | Shlagg lagg McNellanrf |
| 06:38.44 | NishaKitty | mario_: it could be like usb flash drives yout 4gb SD isn't bootable |
| 06:38.59 | darkelfjuggalo | i have no thumb drives, i have no money for one, i have no money for disc |
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| 06:39.12 | maik | darkelfjuggalo: no Windows OS would allow that without some serious flaw |
| 06:39.19 | NishaKitty | some are some aren't and some bioses don't like certain ones for usb flash drives anyway |
| 06:39.28 | NishaKitty | I wouldn't be surprised if SD cards have similar issues |
| 06:39.29 | darkelfjuggalo | i just spent 90$ on a pair of Ram upgrades for this thing and am broke |
| 06:39.34 | maik | darkelfjuggalo: do you have a spare hard drive? |
| 06:39.46 | rockasdkj\ | Fartily gas farting on someone's jacket. |
| 06:39.56 | darkelfjuggalo | this PC has 2 in it the main and a 2ndary |
| 06:40.19 | maik | can you blow away the second one? |
| 06:40.27 | darkelfjuggalo | blow away? |
| 06:41.02 | mario_ | How do I know if is buteable? |
| 06:41.07 | maik | if you're ok with losing the contents of the secondary drive you can perform the method i suggested about the thumb drive, but select your second hard drive instead |
| 06:41.11 | mario_ | How do I know if is booteable? |
| 06:41.18 | maik | but you'll likely lose all of the data on it |
| 06:41.46 | jpinx | does aptitude restore after a broken connection? |
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| 06:41.54 | jpinx | or apt-get... |
| 06:42.03 | NishaKitty | mario_: I'm not sure there's an easy way to tell |
| 06:42.08 | darkelfjuggalo | i have nothing on the 2ndary or was just put in to add space before i need it |
| 06:42.12 | NishaKitty | I just used a different usb stick when I came across the issue |
| 06:42.19 | NishaKitty | and I'm not sure if the same thing applies to SD cards |
| 06:42.47 | darkelfjuggalo | So, I've lost the Flash drive suggestion in the see of messages... |
| 06:43.17 | nsadmin | if the secondary is blank... maybe you can use that |
| 06:43.17 | mario_ | I have try with 2 diferent 4GB SD card one of them is the one that came with beagle bone that had the default linux image |
| 06:43.35 | NishaKitty | it does it on that one too mario_ ? |
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| 06:43.39 | maik | darkelfjuggalo: no worries. just a second and i'll get you more details |
| 06:43.48 | darkelfjuggalo | Thank you |
| 06:44.03 | mario_ | yes both of them have same problem |
| 06:44.13 | NishaKitty | might be something else then x.x |
| 06:44.21 | darkelfjuggalo | you can IM me directly if it might eb easier unless you're going to pastebin or paste zone it |
| 06:44.32 | mario_ | but the one that came with beagle bone use to boot before with the default image |
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| 06:45.45 | NishaKitty | mario_: sorry no idea maybe someone else will know |
| 06:45.57 | mario_ | thanks |
| 06:46.18 | NishaKitty | have you tried the #beagle channel? |
| 06:46.25 | NishaKitty | it's listed in that page you linked to |
| 06:46.45 | mario_ | yes they send me here |
| 06:46.50 | NishaKitty | ah ok |
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| 06:47.26 | k-man | is it ok to add the web admin user to the www-data group so they can edit files in www-data? |
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| 06:47.34 | k-man | or is it better to create a specific group for that? |
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| 06:47.56 | rockasdkj\ | 65.39.0.1 |
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| 06:50.32 | dax | rockasdkj\: That's enough. |
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| 07:11.59 | SLFCore | anyone running debian 'wheezy' here? |
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| 07:12.39 | SLFCore | cause i need an invite to join #devian-next |
| 07:12.47 | SLFCore | #debian-next * |
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| 07:13.07 | alpha2 | ? |
| 07:13.27 | SLFCore | im testing out the debian wheezy |
| 07:13.38 | SLFCore | im unable to join #debian-next since i have no invite |
| 07:13.58 | alpha2 | become a beta tester? |
| 07:14.10 | SLFCore | im not officially a beta tester |
| 07:14.10 | alpha2 | if you do it enough you can be a masta-beta... |
| 07:14.18 | SLFCore | but i am trying to get it to work |
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| 07:14.55 | neersighted | I am a wheezy user |
| 07:15.02 | neersighted | but I am not in #debian-next |
| 07:15.03 | alpha2 | I use windows 7:) |
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| 07:15.06 | neersighted | D: |
| 07:15.08 | SLFCore | lmao |
| 07:15.12 | neersighted | BURN HIM WITH FIRE! |
| 07:15.18 | alpha2 | why? |
| 07:15.23 | neersighted | (jk) |
| 07:15.25 | alpha2 | didn't you get the memo? |
| 07:15.31 | alpha2 | windows is the new freebsd |
| 07:15.42 | alpha2 | no matter how hard you try... shit just don't work right... |
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| 07:16.00 | neersighted | ^ yup |
| 07:16.51 | SLFCore | i still use xp + debian |
| 07:17.27 | alpha2 | people still dual boot? |
| 07:17.59 | SLFCore | ofcourse |
| 07:18.09 | alpha2 | I thought dual booting was nulled due to quad core cpu's being able to do virtual machines easily now... |
| 07:18.11 | epicfail | wtf? important security update for gimp? how is that even possible? |
| 07:18.22 | alpha2 | points to your nick |
| 07:18.25 | neersighted | lawl |
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| 07:21.15 | SLFCore | lol |
| 07:21.29 | Blue1 | epicfail: i musta missed that one |
| 07:22.07 | alpha2 | Schweeet, sploit patch for my windows 7 |
| 07:22.24 | alpha2 | yep, it's patching the root sploit for notepad... |
| 07:22.31 | alpha2 | giggity |
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| 07:31.22 | kniu | hi SnoRider |
| 07:31.24 | kniu | uh |
| 07:31.25 | kniu | sorry |
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| 07:36.05 | johest | hi, i am seeking a way to to updates via script on several machines, any idea or link? something like command line options i can send via ssh |
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| 07:40.33 | nsadmin | update what? |
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| 07:40.58 | marlonZa | apt i assume |
| 07:40.58 | apt | You assume? |
| 07:41.23 | nsadmin | cute :P |
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| 07:42.12 | nsadmin | apt, be barbie eliza |
| 07:43.47 | somiaj | johest: would something like cfengine (apt-cache search cfengine) be what you want? |
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| 07:52.02 | johest | somiaj: i take a look |
| 07:53.02 | johest | yes just the normal apt-get update process, which does not touch existing config files, only updates patches (critical fix) and i should run it by ssh or so |
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| 07:59.37 | chees | hi dont get my mic work for me in debian? |
| 08:00.06 | nsadmin | !sicco |
| 08:00.06 | dpkg | Please ask sicco questions, questions that are Specific, Informative, Concise, Complete, and On-topic. Ask me about <research> and <cooperation in asking for help>. |
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| 08:04.54 | nsadmin | chees, what version of debian? when did you install it? |
| 08:06.18 | chees | debian unstabel las one |
| 08:06.31 | buu | So.. can anyone think of a more elegant way to search for string $X in files *.c, *.h, etc, recursively, other than the somewhat hideous find -iname -or -or -or -exec grep..; ? |
| 08:06.52 | buu | (Bonus, using only 'default' bash utils!) |
| 08:07.03 | NishaKitty | buu: what's wrong with grep -r ? |
| 08:07.13 | buu | It searches every file |
| 08:07.27 | NishaKitty | grep -r "string" *.c |
| 08:07.29 | NishaKitty | ? |
| 08:07.35 | NishaKitty | actually it might be -R |
| 08:07.37 | buu | Pretty sure that doesn't do what you think it does. |
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| 08:08.05 | NishaKitty | -R, -r, --recursive equivalent to --directories=recurse |
| 08:08.17 | internat | i use -r to search multiple files.. |
| 08:08.21 | nsadmin | you own buubot? |
| 08:08.21 | buu | Yes.. and it works if you pass it a list of directories |
| 08:08.23 | internat | grep -ri "string here" *.bob |
| 08:08.30 | internat | or . |
| 08:08.47 | NishaKitty | you just run it from the top level directory |
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| 08:09.18 | buu | The idea was to search ONLY files matching a specific pattern, not EVERY file under a directory. |
| 08:09.26 | internat | oh hmm.. |
| 08:09.29 | NishaKitty | that's what the *.c part is about? |
| 08:09.32 | internat | probably find then.. |
| 08:09.57 | internat | find with regex probably |
| 08:10.09 | buu | other than the somewhat hideous find -iname -or -or -or -exec grep..; ? |
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| 08:11.24 | johest | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:11.30 | buu | NishaKitty: If you call: grep -R 'pattern' *.c; it will expand *.c into a list of files that match that pattern, in this case, C files, search each of those files for 'pattern' then NOT RECURSE BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T PASS A DIRECTORY |
| 08:11.46 | nsadmin | well the shell will |
| 08:11.56 | internat | not remembering the syntax off the top of my head but.. find -regex ".*\c |
| 08:12.10 | buu | johest: I don't think grep can take a list of filenames on stdin |
| 08:12.14 | internat | not remembering the syntax off the top of my head but.. find -regex ".*\c|h|x" -exec grep "string" \; |
| 08:13.07 | johest | buu: right |
| 08:13.09 | buu | Oh hey: --include=GLOB |
| 08:13.10 | buu | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:13.33 | NishaKitty | got a nasty way of doing it |
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| 08:14.28 | NishaKitty | buu: grep -n -R "string" * | grep -E "(.c|.h)" |
| 08:14.54 | NishaKitty | hopefully the . are ok in regex not sure |
| 08:15.22 | internat | thats unfortunately gonna grep every file first though isnt it? |
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| 08:15.32 | NishaKitty | yep unfortunatly |
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| 08:16.42 | NishaKitty | buu: --include=FILE_PATTERN search only files that match FILE_PATTERN |
| 08:16.45 | NishaKitty | could try that with grep |
| 08:17.27 | buu | I just said that -_- |
| 08:17.36 | NishaKitty | oh sorry I am doing a few things at once xD |
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| 08:34.30 | chalced | i did update && upgrade and it's showing an error |
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| 08:38.34 | chalced | http://pastebin.com/0bratPHC |
| 08:38.59 | chalced | i did add linux-headers-2.6.32-5-686-bigmem |
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| 08:39.10 | chalced | it just gave the same error |
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| 08:46.46 | Milos | I told my friend to run apt-get update && apt-get upgrade. |
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| 08:46.47 | Milos | he's on the network |
| 08:46.50 | Milos | he said it's asking him for the CD |
| 08:46.55 | Milos | what the ff* do you mean it's asking for a CD |
| 08:47.02 | Milos | how difficult is it to update the friggin package |
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| 08:47.48 | maik | Milos: have him cat /etc/apt/sources.list and look for CD sources ? |
| 08:48.17 | Milos | maik, but that doesn't sound like netinst to me? |
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| 08:48.46 | maik | if you don't set up your mirror during netinst it adds the CD as a source instead |
| 08:49.21 | Milos | maik, ah I see. how can I add the normal sources then |
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| 08:49.40 | chalced | maik is there something known about this error in linux-headers-2.6.32-5-686-bigmem ? |
| 08:50.03 | maik | edit /etc/apt/sources.list and replace the CD entries with http entries |
| 08:50.11 | maik | chalced: i don't know what you're talking about |
| 08:50.37 | chalced | maik, http://pastebin.com/0bratPHC |
| 08:51.37 | maik | so you installed the package it told you to install but when you try again it tells you to install that headers package? |
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| 08:52.13 | chalced | maik, it tells me the same error |
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| 08:52.32 | chalced | even after i installed the package it said to install maik |
| 08:52.52 | maik | i'm sorry, i don't know. my best guess is fglrx is messed up somehow |
| 08:53.11 | chalced | dkms: running auto installation service for kernel 2.6.32-5-686-bigmem: |
| 08:53.11 | chalced | <chalcedony> fglrx (10-9)...failed. |
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| 08:53.30 | chalced | maik, how can i fix that? |
| 08:53.45 | maik | i'm sorry, i don't know. my best guess is fglrx is messed up somehow |
| 08:54.00 | maik | what does uname -a say ? |
| 08:54.20 | chalced | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:54.20 | chalced | Linux Marcus 2.6.32-5-686-bigmem #1 SMP Thu Nov 3 05:12:00 UTC 2011 i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 08:55.03 | maik | aptitude search fglrx |
| 08:55.21 | maik | for the fglrx package is there an "i" on the left-most column ? |
| 08:55.56 | chalced | maik, several have i |
| 08:56.02 | chalced | one has v one has p |
| 08:56.11 | maik | can you pastebin the output? |
| 08:56.32 | chalced | http://pastebin.com/R1Bn1eAD |
| 08:57.13 | maik | try installing fglrx-source |
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| 08:57.21 | chalced | ok |
| 08:57.25 | maik | i really don't know if that's going to fix it |
| 08:57.56 | chalced | ok i got that |
| 08:58.02 | chalced | now the one it said |
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| 08:58.03 | chalced | ? |
| 08:58.17 | maik | if that's already installed then no, but i guess it couldn't hurt |
| 08:58.21 | maik | then try the original command again |
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| 08:59.11 | chalced | maik YES :) |
| 08:59.13 | chalced | we got it |
| 08:59.17 | maik | awesome :D |
| 08:59.17 | chalced | you did good :) |
| 08:59.25 | maik | pats self |
| 08:59.29 | chalced | :) |
| 08:59.33 | chalced | now i'll reboot |
| 08:59.41 | maik | alright. i'm going to bed |
| 08:59.41 | chalced | see if this all works |
| 08:59.46 | chalced | thank you lots :) |
| 08:59.53 | maik | you're welcome. godnight |
| 08:59.55 | maik | goodnight* |
| 08:59.58 | chalced | sleep well |
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| 09:12.31 | djcb | is there some recommended rescue-disk image for sid? |
| 09:13.01 | nevyn | DI? |
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| 09:20.20 | benedikt | there is no way to recover from an accidental rm, is there? |
| 09:20.39 | nevyn | there is. |
| 09:20.43 | nevyn | but they're mostly bad. |
| 09:21.01 | sephii | you have backups of course, right? |
| 09:21.23 | nevyn | so there is/was an undelete for ext2/3 I think somewhere |
| 09:21.26 | benedikt | this WAS the backup |
| 09:21.44 | benedikt | forgot to cd to remove a subfolder and accidentally rm-ed the backups |
| 09:21.48 | DelTree | ext2 yes... ext3/4, no... |
| 09:21.52 | sephii | oh. bad luck. |
| 09:21.57 | benedikt | including a whole backup for a laptop from a person very dear to me |
| 09:22.05 | benedikt | rams the head into the wall |
| 09:22.28 | DelTree | you unmounted that immediately, of course... |
| 09:22.32 | sephii | I tried extundelete some time ago for almost the same issue, but it didn't work for me |
| 09:22.42 | DelTree | photorec ? |
| 09:22.45 | benedikt | i'm actually working on the unounting now. remote machine and it was the /home partition |
| 09:22.59 | DelTree | ooch ! |
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| 09:25.47 | xrfang | where is apt's cache stored? I mean when it detected new versions from server (before they are downloaded). |
| 09:26.18 | xrfang | I do not mean where the downloaded files are cached, I mean, the information that it knows there are new version on the repo |
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| 09:27.31 | sephii | xrfang: /var/cache/apt/pkgcache.bin? |
| 09:28.42 | petemc | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:29.03 | xrfang | sephii, so it is safe to delete this file and let it do an apt-get update? |
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| 09:29.56 | benedikt | is it safe to uncomment /home from fstab and reboot |
| 09:30.02 | benedikt | it wont unmount |
| 09:30.07 | benedikt | something is using it |
| 09:30.45 | sephii | benedikt: did you try fuser or lsof on it? |
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| 09:31.02 | bambanx | how i can uninstall full eclipse? |
| 09:31.16 | benedikt | fuser /home and lsof /home return nothing |
| 09:32.49 | sephii | benedikt: you could also try lazy unmounting, but I'm not sure if that's a good idea if your goal is to recover data from the disk |
| 09:32.50 | benedikt | i will poweroff and use a livecd when i get home |
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| 09:33.10 | benedikt | but poweroff might write to disk |
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| 09:33.59 | xrfang | I've tried to remove and regenerate /var/lib/apt/lists/ and /var/cache/apt/pkgcache.bin, it does not fix my problem. the problem is |
| 09:34.04 | xrfang | err 404 file not found |
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| 09:34.32 | xrfang | after some investigation, I found that apt is trying to download some file that is NOT available on the repo |
| 09:34.59 | benedikt | can i force a hard shutdown with sysrq-trigger |
| 09:35.06 | benedikt | like i can with a reboot |
| 09:35.20 | sephii | benedikt: maybe you could try to use magic keys to reboot the system, then power it off. it will sync your disk and kill remaining processes, so there's still a risk of writing to the disk but just unplugging it is risky too |
| 09:35.26 | benedikt | or should i uncomment home from fstab and forcd hard reboot |
| 09:35.53 | benedikt | im 50km away from the computer |
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| 09:36.54 | sephii | bad, bad luck |
| 09:37.01 | WormFood | are there any packages for debian (stable) that will extract an outlook .pst file? I just want to see who's email box it is, so I can know if it is ok to delete it or not. |
| 09:37.23 | benedikt | i shut it off by echoing o to sysrq-trigger |
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| 09:39.03 | benedikt | g that doesnt sync the disks |
| 09:39.06 | WormFood | "readpst", to answer my previous question |
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| 09:39.59 | benedikt | but its been months since i backed up that data and it hasnt been asked about yet |
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| 09:40.05 | WormFood | but sadly does not work :( |
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| 09:45.20 | shifty` | how, by default, can i have files created in /tmp go-rwx ? |
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| 09:48.38 | narcislinux | hi, i have problem gnome, i install gnome with aptitude , but it's not active |
| 09:48.38 | narcislinux | what should i do ? |
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| 09:50.06 | shifty` | narcislinux: chose gnome when you log in (via xdm/gdm/kdm/etc) |
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| 09:53.33 | shifty` | narcislinux: ** s/chose/choose/ |
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| 09:58.56 | bambanx | ubuntu suck |
| 09:59.56 | sephii | shifty`: i think you can set the umask option in your fstab |
| 10:02.47 | shifty` | sephii: good idea, but I have an homogeneous filesystem (all rooted from /) |
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| 10:03.08 | themill | shifty`: that depends on what creates them -- what's creating files with permissions you don't like? |
| 10:03.31 | shifty` | themill: me. |
| 10:03.41 | themill | "don't do that then" |
| 10:03.51 | shifty` | themill: (my processes) |
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| 10:04.30 | shifty` | themill: !! yes. |
| 10:04.40 | bambanx | how i can add the button for show desktop? |
| 10:04.43 | bambanx | usign console |
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| 10:05.00 | themill | bambanx: if you're using ubuntu, please ask #ubuntu. |
| 10:05.27 | bambanx | i am debian user |
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| 10:05.37 | bambanx | but in this shit pc is installed ubuntu :/ |
| 10:05.47 | themill | so please ask #ubuntu. |
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| 10:06.23 | themill | shifty`: anything that is writing sensitive information to /tmp should be doing so in a secure way already. |
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| 10:08.09 | majd | Hey #debian - i'm trying to ssh into my server. I'm at a public library and it seems like some ports (including ssh's own port 22) are blocked. What alternatives do i have to accessing my server via ssh? |
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| 10:08.22 | shifty` | themill: agree, but wish for 'touch /tmp/myfile' to have perms for read/write for user-that-creates only |
| 10:08.46 | richo_ | Is there a mechanism to package a kernel module automagically? There is some other stuff (/etc/modprobe.d script and some postinst) that ought to go with it |
| 10:09.28 | themill | shifty`: either use a different directory or set your umask appropriately. |
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| 10:11.08 | shifty` | themill: ok, umask in .bashrc should do it, right? how to set it for /all/ users? |
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| 10:12.06 | themill | shifty`: I really don't understand what the use case for this is. It's a pretty unusual thing to do |
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| 10:13.02 | valdyn | majd: google "web ssh client" |
| 10:14.01 | shifty` | themill: use case?... all files in /tmp, created by (all) users, get go-rwx. |
| 10:14.26 | valdyn | shifty`: no |
| 10:14.27 | themill | that's not a use case... |
| 10:14.45 | themill | that's "this is what I think I want" not "this is why I want it" |
| 10:14.45 | valdyn | shifty`: -rw-r--r-- 1 valdyn valdyn 0 Mär 7 11:14 /tmp/test |
| 10:14.59 | shifty` | themill: basically, all files dumped in /tmp are not accessible by others |
| 10:15.03 | richo_ | shifty`: why do you want that? |
| 10:15.08 | Night_Elf | Hi all. I have given the following command: arp -sD 10.20.10.77 eth0 pub. And there comes a time now that I need to remove the corresponding entry in the arp table ( ? (10.20.10.77) at <from_interface> PERM PUB on eth0 ). How do I do that ? |
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| 10:16.32 | valdyn | shifty`: bascially all files create in /tmp are readable by others unless the creator or root changes permissions |
| 10:16.39 | themill | shifty`: files that contain sensitive information should already be 0600 in /tmp. |
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| 10:17.47 | shifty` | got it, regarding set permissions, but how to set this by default? |
| 10:18.36 | themill | shifty`: if you're dealing with broken software that does not do this properly, you could arrange to have an 0700 /tmp/tmp-$user or $HOME/tmp and set the appropriate TMP/TMPDIR environment variables from pam. Or just fix the program that's doing this wrong. |
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| 10:19.34 | richo_ | blanket policies are not the solution here |
| 10:21.09 | shifty` | richo_: blanket is what I want. Why should any user be able to read a file I create in /tmp ? |
| 10:21.33 | richo_ | why would you create a private file in /tmp? It's world readable there.. |
| 10:22.05 | richo_ | more importantly, why create a world readable file in the first place? If you forcibly create the file with 777 umask won't fix your broken implementation anyway |
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| 10:23.25 | shifty` | richo_: 'touch /tmp/me' creates a world-readable file. not good. |
| 10:23.55 | richo_ | shifty`: .. why is that not good though? You misunderstand. |
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| 10:24.15 | richo_ | rm -rf /* does it's best to delete everything in the system.. that's why you don't do it |
| 10:24.21 | richo_ | because it's almost certainly not what you want. |
| 10:25.16 | shifty` | richo_: it's not what I want, I want /tmp/* to be private to ~user and root |
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| 10:25.37 | richo_ | shifty`: why? |
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| 10:25.57 | shifty` | richo_: err, because? why not? |
| 10:26.23 | richo_ | because if it were a sane behaviour, it would most likely either already be the case, or there'd be an easy way to do it |
| 10:26.33 | richo_ | and you wouldn't have the contents of this channel asking you why you want to do it |
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| 10:27.07 | themill | shifty`: fix whatever program you're using that is not doing this properly and move on... |
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| 10:28.19 | shifty` | themill: really? I was hoping for a blanket solution to say "files created (wherever) are private to the creator. |
| 10:28.56 | themill | thinks we've been around this loop once before |
| 10:29.46 | pozic | How are dbg packages compiled on Debian? |
| 10:29.50 | richo_ | this does seem familiar |
| 10:29.55 | pozic | With full --gdb3? |
| 10:29.58 | shifty` | it's ok if this isn't possible technically, was hoping for a solution short of fixing scripts to ensure privacy... |
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| 10:31.12 | themill | shifty`: if your scripts are getting this wrong, they're probably also vulnerable to various other problems like someone creating a file, directory or symlink in /tmp with the name that your script is going to use. |
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| 10:33.40 | themill | shifty`: (hint: shell scripts should be using mktemp) |
| 10:35.22 | pozic | Where can I get the debugging symbols for postgresql-8.4? |
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| 10:35.43 | pozic | There is only a dbg package for some version 9 of postgresql. |
| 10:35.50 | Trewas | shifty`: you can change the default umask for every user in /etc/logins.def, which should be applied by pam_umask (whether that is used by default, I'm not sure) |
| 10:37.36 | themill | pozic: it looks like debug symbols for pg were only enabled from 9.0.4-1 onwards |
| 10:37.58 | pozic | themill: and do you know how those are compiled? |
| 10:38.15 | pozic | themill: i.e. --ggdb3 and -O information would be of interest to me. |
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| 10:47.31 | babilen | !tell pozic -about debian/rules |
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| 10:54.10 | luxius | Hello, I'd like some help - I'm on Ubuntu 11.10, but the peeps in #ubuntu aren't too knowledgable about file systems =) |
| 10:54.22 | luxius | When I try to access my home dir I get this error message: Error stating file '/home/luxius/.gvfs': Transport endpoint is not connected. |
| 10:54.49 | themill | luxius: we're not knowledgeable about what gnome on ubuntu is or isn't doing. Please ask #ubuntu. |
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| 10:57.25 | luxius | themill, yeah okay, I see where you're coming from ... -.- |
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| 10:58.11 | luxius | themill, as I can still access it from a terminal it's not a major problem, it must be the file manager ... |
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| 10:58.50 | pozic | Is there a standard way to build a package without optimization? |
| 10:59.09 | pozic | I just looked and saw that DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS is used for this, but it seems to be non-universal. |
| 10:59.19 | pozic | (which kind of defeats the point) |
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| 11:00.38 | themill | pozic: noopt and nostrip are the standards, but they do need support from the package tools to work. Almost all packages support nostrip; most support noopt. http://wiki.debian.org/HowToGetABacktrace#Rebuilding_the_package_you.2BIBk-re_debugging |
| 11:00.56 | pozic | themill: postgresql doesn't support it. |
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| 11:01.24 | pozic | themill: perhaps I am naive, but why can't it just use CFLAGS for that? |
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| 11:02.04 | zykes-_ | anyone here know how i can get mysql to silent install ? |
| 11:02.05 | themill | that's all it would do, but you have to sensibly set those flags (and not have conflicting options in them) |
| 11:02.12 | Night_Elf | I have given the following command: arp -sD 10.20.10.77 eth0 pub. And there comes a time now that I need to remove the corresponding entry in the arp table ( ? (10.20.10.77) at <from_interface> PERM PUB on eth0 ). How do I do that ? |
| 11:02.14 | jelly | pozic: does Pg not have postgresql-9.1-dbg or similar packaged already, for your symbolic perusal? |
| 11:02.20 | themill | dpkg: tell zykes-_ about debconf-set-selections |
| 11:02.29 | themill | zykes-_: I presume you're asking about debconf questions |
| 11:02.36 | pozic | jelly: I am using an older version. |
| 11:03.04 | pozic | jelly: are there any tools to install the whole tree of dependencies as a dbg package? |
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| 11:05.04 | zykes-_ | themill: correct.. |
| 11:05.33 | zykes-_ | themill: like http://pastebin.com/jKu7Urrm |
| 11:05.42 | zykes-_ | grr, outdated |
| 11:06.37 | zykes-_ | http://pastebin.com/HhDfvLxw - i tried with that, but it still asks for passwords |
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| 11:08.15 | pozic | Why do I get: grep-available: /var/lib/dpkg/available:84891: expected a colon when I do 'grep-available mutt' ? |
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| 11:08.29 | pozic | Can I safely remove this available file? |
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| 11:10.51 | jelly | !available |
| 11:10.51 | dpkg | If /var/lib/dpkg/available is corrupted (or generating warnings about illegal version numbers etc), "apt-cache dumpavail > /var/lib/dpkg/available && dpkg --update-avail /var/lib/dpkg/available". Alternatively, you can try "rm /var/lib/dpkg/available; dselect update". |
| 11:11.32 | themill | zykes-_: the keys are root_password not db_root_password. (check with debconf-get-selections or in the /var/lib/dpkg/info/mysql*.config files) |
| 11:12.16 | themill | pozic: you might want to make sure you've got backups and run an fsck. dpkg is pretty good at not stuffing up its databases. |
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| 11:18.41 | wuffi600 | hi. |
| 11:18.54 | dhbiker | ohai. |
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| 11:30.10 | wuffi600 | i would like to use very slow storage (e.g. slow compactflash in an embedded device). The Device is equipped qith a lot of RAM (e.g. 8GB). Is there a way that ext3 uses up to a few GB for read and write-behind caching? I whish a write-transaction would be committed as soon as data reaches the cache. Is ext3 suitable for such config? Is there another FS i could use to get motre caching benefits? |
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| 11:44.35 | jpinx | I have a base system of squeeze installed and up-to.date. I try to aptitude install vlc and it gives me a long list of depends, when I acccept the resolution it refuses to install. Any clues? |
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| 11:47.12 | themill | dpkg: tell jpinx about bat |
| 11:47.20 | themill | jpinx: not without some more information |
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| 11:48.28 | jpinx | 0k - moment.. |
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| 11:56.41 | wuffi600 | is there a debian doku about using a Cache Filesystem, maybe Cache-FS with NFS. |
| 11:56.43 | wuffi600 | ? |
| 11:57.09 | kjs | Is there a way to run Gnome 3 on Debian? |
| 11:57.20 | kjs | on Debian 6 |
| 11:57.27 | jpinx_ | themill: http://paste.debian.net/158848/ |
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| 11:57.52 | notau | kjs: http://raphaelhertzog.com/2011/06/16/installing-gnome-3-on-debian-6-0-squeeze-no-sorry/ |
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| 12:03.03 | milligan | Using google chrome. I've installed the latest flash player. After having viewed a flash video though, the process remains running, and eventually the whole browser will crap out and not work properly. Anyone seen that, and/or know how to fix it ? |
| 12:03.35 | themill | jpinx_: looks like you want to run "apt-get update" there. It's claiming not to know about a pile of packages that most definitely do exist in squeeze. |
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| 12:04.10 | themill | jpinx_: (do you actually have a mirror in your sources.list?) |
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| 12:05.24 | chrisb_ | Hi, anybody using blosxom? |
| 12:05.53 | jpinx_ | themill: I just did massive update and upgrade |
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| 12:06.36 | chrisb_ | I can't get the calendar plugin to work |
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| 12:07.56 | jpinx_ | themill: aptitude update gets no packages and aptitude upgrade does nothing |
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| 12:08.28 | Guest25456 | i cant bind , "http://pastebin.com/qVfcDfSF" |
| 12:09.02 | jpinx_ | sources.list has deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ squeeze-updates main |
| 12:09.05 | jpinx_ | deb-src http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ squeeze-updates main |
| 12:09.10 | jpinx_ | as well as security |
| 12:09.22 | chrisb_ | I did a "apt-get install libtime-local-perl" still no joy ... |
| 12:09.26 | themill | jpinx_: so, no, you don't have a local mirror. |
| 12:09.39 | themill | s/local mirror/main mirror/ |
| 12:09.47 | jpinx_ | themill: not local geographically ;) |
| 12:10.10 | jpinx_ | Ah - ok - what's needed in there? |
| 12:10.19 | themill | dpkg: tell jpinx_ about make squeeze sources.list |
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| 12:11.50 | epicfail | guys where is the file with the groups again? |
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| 12:12.39 | chrisb_ | epicfail: why do you need to edit that? |
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| 12:14.37 | epicfail | chrisb_, i wanna create a user on a friends pc so i can remote configure it. He is not so good with computer so i do the adminstration from here if he needs sth |
| 12:14.47 | chrisb_ | How do you tell irssi to stop displaying [xxxxxxxxxxx] has Quit |
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| 12:15.51 | chrisb_ | epicfail: ssh? |
| 12:16.28 | epicfail | chrisb_, yes... so i need to put me myself in the sudo group or root group |
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| 12:17.07 | epicfail | why all the questions? cant u just tell me where the file is? |
| 12:17.35 | themill | epicfail: you want "adduser" |
| 12:17.43 | babilen | chrisb_: First and foremost there is a #irssi channel on this network -- Ignores of PARTS/QUITS/... are discussed in http://irssi.org/documentation/manual and (even more detailed) in "/help ignore" |
| 12:17.43 | chrisb_ | epicfail: ssh, then "su -" then you are root |
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| 12:18.28 | epicfail | chrisb_, thx for costing me my balls! its on /etc/group ! was that so hard? |
| 12:18.33 | Guest25456 | i need to binding ip to server name , config it corectly ,but "http://pastebin.com/nxqUJWhM" |
| 12:18.47 | themill | epicfail: there's no need to edit that file directly. |
| 12:19.55 | babilen | epicfail: What are you trying to achieve? It really shouldn't be necessary to edit that file manually. |
| 12:20.05 | epicfail | themill, i have addes a user with his user but my user is suppoused to be root. he just breaks things if he roots |
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| 12:20.29 | epicfail | babilen, im working over ssh. what else could i do? |
| 12:21.10 | babilen | epicfail: Log in via ssh -- Add your user to the "sudo" group which allows you to acquire superuser privileges and you are done. |
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| 12:21.53 | babilen | epicfail: "adduser YOURUSERNAME sudo" is all you need for that. Manually editing /etc/group is not recommended as you might make mistakes. |
| 12:22.00 | epicfail | babilen, how do i add a user to the sudo group? |
| 12:22.00 | babilen | !tell epicfail -about sudoers |
| 12:22.13 | epicfail | ah... thx... works too |
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| 12:23.49 | epicfail | babilen, thx thats all i need to know... i will do it your way |
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| 12:33.12 | WormFood | I'm gonna start playing around with iscsi on debian stable. Does anyone with experience in that area have any comments, suggestions, or advice for me? |
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| 12:35.17 | idimmu | WormFood: the end boss is really hard |
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| 12:35.56 | WormFood | idimmu, but I thought I was the boss :( |
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| 12:35.57 | joltcan | idimmu: :) |
| 12:36.12 | ajithkanu | how Disable dhcp from running at startup?. An expert of my ?var/log/syslog is here http://pastebin.com/veb0w5fE |
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| 12:36.34 | WormFood | ajithkanu, edit /etc/network/interfaces |
| 12:37.05 | Guest25456 | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:38.04 | WormFood | ajithkanu, what do you want? A static IP? I see from your logs you're running networkmanager. You can set those settings in networkmanager |
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| 12:39.19 | ajithkanu | No I don't have static IP. |
| 12:39.36 | ajithkanu | I just want to disable it on startup |
| 12:40.28 | WormFood | you may be able to do that with network manager. |
| 12:41.06 | Guest25456 | for binding en debian server ,i have some problem, i think config correct,but cant lookup my dns |
| 12:41.20 | Guest25456 | plz |
| 12:41.25 | WormFood | your dns has problem |
| 12:41.57 | WormFood | you do not appear to have a name server set in the root dns servers |
| 12:42.20 | Guest25456 | wormFood : what? |
| 12:42.40 | WormFood | what part of my response did you not understand? |
| 12:43.04 | Guest25456 | "you do not apear..." |
| 12:43.07 | WormFood | there is no dns server set for your domain in the root name servers, or so it appears. |
| 12:43.57 | WormFood | I'm guessing English isn't your native language..."appear" means that something looks some way, but may or may not actually be that way. |
| 12:43.59 | Guest25456 | wormFood: but i set it |
| 12:44.20 | WormFood | check it again |
| 12:44.39 | WormFood | also, if you run your own dns servers, it is a little more work with your registrar |
| 12:44.50 | WormFood | you at least need a good working understanding of dns |
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| 12:46.53 | Orphis | Is anybody using DHCP to set the hostname of their debian machine ? |
| 12:47.10 | Orphis | Because it's not really working right now it seems with my dhcp client |
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| 13:06.35 | kjs | how do you start gnome these days? I have not used a GUI in about 3 years |
| 13:06.48 | kjs | there is no gdm service |
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| 13:17.17 | nkuttler | kjs: usually you select the gnome session in your dm |
| 13:17.53 | |DM| | nkuttler: that line wouldn't be out of place in a pen&paper rpg. |
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| 13:24.28 | Soulwinter | does anyone in here have a good knowledge of truecrypt? |
| 13:25.39 | ksk | metaquestion |
| 13:25.45 | ksk | ask what you want to ask |
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| 13:26.45 | jelly | wonders what that is |
| 13:26.49 | jelly | !truecrypt |
| 13:26.49 | dpkg | TrueCrypt is a <non-free> (under DFSG's definitions) implementation of on-the-fly disk encryption that also attempts plausible deniability, something not found in other OTFE systems like <EncFS> and <LUKS>. Not in Debian, RFP in bug #413070. http://forums.truecrypt.org/ http://www.truecrypt.org/ |
| 13:27.00 | Soulwinter | if i do a whole disk encryption and theres partition C and D... can i do a quickformat on D for example without losing the encryption??? |
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| 13:32.44 | ws2k3 | hello people some people advice me to use an realtime kernel |
| 13:33.04 | ksk | Soulwinter: this looks like a windows + truecrypt question. that has nothing to do with debian. |
| 13:33.22 | ws2k3 | but can somebody tell me sometime about a realtime kernel what it is what is does etc |
| 13:33.29 | ksk | guess truecrypt has its own support channel somewhere |
| 13:33.54 | babilen | !tell ws2k3 -about rt |
| 13:33.55 | ksk | !tell ws2k3 about realtime |
| 13:34.03 | babilen | ws2k3: Why do they think you need a rt kernel? |
| 13:34.20 | ws2k3 | well i have some processes that are not accurate anough |
| 13:35.15 | babilen | ws2k3: Could you be a bit less vague? |
| 13:35.24 | ws2k3 | well i host gameservers |
| 13:35.31 | ws2k3 | already found this http://wiki.fragaholics.de/index.php/EN:Linux_Optimization_Guide |
| 13:35.40 | ws2k3 | dont know how i need to explaine english isnt that good |
| 13:37.47 | babilen | ws2k3: I have no experience with gameservers whatsoever, but realtime kernels seem to be mentioned frequently in discussions about their performance. If you think that it will make a difference you can try it. |
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| 13:39.25 | ksk | may i ask which kind of games you host? |
| 13:39.32 | ksk | *which games |
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| 13:40.01 | babilen | ws2k3: A -rt- 3.2 kernel is available from backports -- http://packages.debian.org/squeeze-backports/linux-image-rt-amd64 (actually linux-image-3.2.0-0.bpo.1-rt-amd64) |
| 13:40.16 | ws2k3 | cs 1.6 css cod4 cod2 and enemy territory |
| 13:41.03 | ksk | mhmkay. i hosted a cs 1.6 server once, wasnt able to get "1000 fps" constantly with debian standard kernel |
| 13:41.10 | ksk | but for me it was not worth changing it ;) |
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| 13:41.50 | ws2k3 | hmm well i have an core i7-2600 with 32 gb ram 1333 so i think it is worth for me changing it |
| 13:42.33 | ws2k3 | babilen what is backports ? |
| 13:42.45 | ksk | !tell ws2k3 about backports |
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| 13:43.29 | ws2k3 | dont fully understand yet how can it be a newer package if i already have debian 6.0 |
| 13:44.05 | babilen | !tell ws2k3 -about stable |
| 13:44.07 | ws2k3 | i now run kernel 2.6.32-5-amd64 so how the package from babilen is gonne help me |
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| 13:45.07 | babilen | ws2k3: Upstream typically keep on releasing new versions of their software (that are uploaded to unstable and transition into testing on Debian) -- backports are packages from testing that have been recompiled against libraries in a stable release |
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| 13:49.36 | ws2k3 | i understand |
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| 13:54.35 | Guest25456 | how can i found my server is correctly |
| 13:54.39 | Guest25456 | binding |
| 13:54.40 | Guest25456 | ? |
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| 13:54.55 | Guest25456 | how can i found my server is correctly binding :? |
| 13:55.25 | joltcan | Guest25456: "server" binding what? |
| 13:55.27 | petemc | dig, but you already know that |
| 13:55.35 | sushubin | hello, I'm using the debian 6 , but when I want to use the tftp , I install the tftp and tftpd , also the xinetd , I also configure the tftp file in the /etc/xinetd.d/ , but when I start the /etc/init.d/xinetd restart , the tftp doesn't work for me : transfer timeout ! |
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| 13:56.08 | abrotman | Guest25456: what OS is your server? |
| 13:56.13 | joltcan | sushubin: have you looked in /var/log to see if the tftp really gets started? |
| 13:56.14 | Guest25456 | debian 5 |
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| 13:56.28 | abrotman | you're sure it's Lenny? |
| 13:56.34 | abrotman | and what does "Binding" mean? |
| 13:56.35 | Guest25456 | yes |
| 13:56.47 | abrotman | you realize Lenny no longer has security support? |
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| 13:57.11 | Guest25456 | binding dns |
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| 13:57.56 | sushubin | joltcan : no , but I have used the command 'ps aux | grep tftp' to see the tftpd is working or not , but there is no tftpd at all ! Why and how to solve the problem? |
| 13:58.12 | petemc | Guest25456: whover you purchased the domain from should allow you to specify nameservers for it |
| 13:58.14 | joltcan | sushubin: no, because xinetd is supposed to start tftp for you |
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| 13:58.41 | joltcan | sushubin: use netstat -anp|grep <theportfortftp> and see if xinetd is listening to that port |
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| 14:00.30 | acu | hello - does anyone know what is the equivalent of RedHat's rpm -ql - in Debian ? |
| 14:01.07 | jelly | acu: what does it do? |
| 14:01.12 | daemonkeeper | You better explain what "rpm -ql" does. |
| 14:01.24 | daemonkeeper | Not that I used rpm in the last 10 years. |
| 14:01.30 | acu | it lists all the files installed with a package |
| 14:01.36 | daemonkeeper | dpkg -S / apt-file show |
| 14:01.37 | dpkg | There is no record of a / apt-file show package |
| 14:01.48 | jelly | acu: dpkg -L packagename |
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| 14:01.56 | sushubin | joltcan: I do not configure the port for my tftp , but when I run 'netstat -anp | grep 69' , comes out "udp 0 0 0.0.0.0:69 0.0.0.0:* 3823/xinetd" |
| 14:02.12 | jelly | acu: assuming the package is installed. |
| 14:02.17 | acu | let me try dpkg -L - (s is very good but it does not list everything) |
| 14:02.32 | babilen | acu: dlocate is a faster replacement for "dpkg -S" and "dpkg -L" |
| 14:02.47 | joltcan | sushubin: So xientd is listening, then I would guess that you should look in the log for xientd and verify that it finds the tftp binary etc |
| 14:03.13 | daemonkeeper | wonders if babilen is getting paid for adverstising dlocate as he's doing so often these days :p |
| 14:03.37 | sushubin | joltcan : which log should I see ? |
| 14:03.55 | dFence | if I remember correctly, you have to explicitly enable tftp-server itself (in /etc/defaults) if I remember correctly |
| 14:04.28 | joltcan | sushubin: No idea, I don't use xinetd, but have a look in /var/log/messages or daemon.log or so |
| 14:04.31 | babilen | daemonkeeper: (Raphael pays me for advertising the sample chapter at http://debian-handbook.info/liberation/) -- Nothing wrong with advertising devscripts, apt-xapian-index, dlocate, debtags, ... though |
| 14:05.13 | acu | wow - there is a difference between dpkg -s and dpkg -S |
| 14:05.22 | acu | yes dpkg -S does it |
| 14:05.39 | sushubin | joltcan : Which way do you use tftpd in debian? |
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| 14:06.37 | joltcan | sushubin: tftp dgram udp wait nobody /usr/sbin/tcpd /usr/sbin/in.tftpd /srv/tftp with openbsd-inetd |
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| 14:10.10 | dFence | just wondering.. on a core2duo system: is the load just split 50:50 between the 2 cores or by the load of the individual core? |
| 14:10.13 | acu | I have a bitch of a system AMD Phenom from HP which does not allow complete install of any kvm virtual machine - it downloads - start installing then stops - I updated bios and all - and still the same - I was not frustrated with such things since long |
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| 14:34.33 | pung | can someone provide some clarity on the repo's for me? |
| 14:35.00 | dvs | !ask |
| 14:35.00 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 14:35.19 | pung | the wheezy repo is slowly becoming stable. once wheezy is concidered stable am i running the latest release? |
| 14:36.04 | bellman | yes, as long as your apt sources has "wheezy" and not "testing" |
| 14:36.19 | dvs | pung: depends on how it's defined in your sources.list |
| 14:36.55 | pung | dvs lets say my sources are only wheezy, will I be running the next distro once it is matured? |
| 14:37.14 | dvs | yeah, that |
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| 14:37.24 | dvs | yes |
| 14:37.31 | pung | dvs ok thanks |
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| 14:38.10 | pung | dvs so I wont have to dist-upgrade, because ill already be there |
| 14:38.19 | dvs | correct |
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| 14:39.32 | babilen | pung: Well, you hopefully dist-upgrade (as in the apt-get command) frequently -- You just don't have to upgrade from one stable release to another as you don't run a stable release in the first place. |
| 14:40.04 | babilen | (but I think that you already understand that) |
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| 14:41.43 | pung | babilen yes makes total sense now, thanks for the clarity |
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| 14:44.45 | babilen | pung: Note that you *will* have to edit your sources.list after wheezy's release in order to add stable-specific repositories such as wheezy-updates and wheezy/updates (former is the repo formerly known as volatile and the latter the security one) |
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| 14:48.07 | pung | babilen true that, the repo definitions will change upon release |
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| 14:49.36 | bellman | wheezy is the last word in linux, everything works brilliantly |
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| 14:51.35 | jhutchins_wk | pung: No, it's not becoming stable, not yet. |
| 14:53.11 | jhutchins_wk | At some point in the future, after some major anticipated changes have been sorted out, it will be frozen. At that point, it will begin to become stable as no new, potentially destabilizing packages are introduced. There will be an official release, at which point wheezy will become the officlal stable release and squeeze will become oldstable. |
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| 14:56.01 | pppoe_dude | hi |
| 14:57.32 | pppoe_dude | wondering if someone can help me get automatic file naming for the debian "print to file" dialog? say to get the filename from the title of a webpage. The default is just ".ps" |
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| 14:59.13 | pppoe_dude | oh i think i found this related bug here: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=485067 might be a firefox issue I think. |
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| 15:06.57 | pung | jhutchins_wk what im saying its working to become stable, thats why there are feature freezes etc |
| 15:07.18 | jhutchins_wk | We're not to that point yet. |
| 15:07.35 | jhutchins_wk | It's still testing new stuff, and there are some major changes in the pipeline. |
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| 15:22.09 | togge | why doesn't NetworkManager and nm-applet read my configs from .gconf after i upgraded to debian SID ? :( |
| 15:22.33 | togge | and why do i need to run nm-applet as root to make changes ? |
| 15:22.42 | obiwahn | because packages in sid may be broken |
| 15:22.56 | maxxe | don't upgrade to sid =) |
| 15:22.57 | obiwahn | fix the stuff or go back to testing |
| 15:23.12 | maxxe | or stable |
| 15:23.32 | obiwahn | stable is too old:P |
| 15:23.43 | togge | ok, than i know it's not an known issue |
| 15:24.00 | obiwahn | togge: maybe the dvices are configured in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 15:24.13 | obiwahn | then the network-manager should not touch them |
| 15:24.26 | obiwahn | togge: rea the bug reports |
| 15:24.29 | obiwahn | read |
| 15:24.48 | obiwahn | http://www.debian.org/Bugs/ |
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| 15:24.55 | obiwahn | the link above |
| 15:25.14 | obiwahn | and apt-listbugs are your best friends when running sid |
| 15:25.49 | obiwahn | you should also understand /etc/apt/preferences |
| 15:26.00 | obiwahn | read on apt pinning |
| 15:26.07 | sdi | hi.How do I detect if currently any sound output is made? |
| 15:26.09 | togge | i know about apt pinning.. :) |
| 15:26.15 | shingouz | how do i figure out which grub my computer uses, is it grub or grub2 |
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| 15:27.07 | obiwahn | sdi: maybe you hear something?! |
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| 15:27.24 | sdi | execpt using ears |
| 15:28.33 | sdi | we can detect packets into net interfaces using tcpdump |
| 15:28.46 | sdi | same logic,how about sounds? |
| 15:28.57 | obiwahn | shingouz: boot-info-scipt afaik |
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| 15:30.03 | shingouz | obiwahn: thanks. now i just have to get access to the box. i hate using a cd to boot into rescue |
| 15:30.46 | obiwahn | sdi: i have no idea:( |
| 15:30.47 | mario_ | I have a problem with debian on beagle bone, I am following this instructions http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardDebian#Debian_NetInstall everything works fine I installed debian successfully on a 1GB SD card. My problem is that when I put the installer in a 4GB card the installer is not booting. could some one help me? |
| 15:30.58 | sdi | :O |
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| 15:31.18 | obiwahn | maybe you should take a lock at /dev/snd |
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| 15:31.52 | sdi | I did.but what tools expected to use? |
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| 15:32.24 | obiwahn | probably it is best to read about how alsa works |
| 15:32.29 | obiwahn | enabl debugging |
| 15:32.35 | obiwahn | ... |
| 15:32.56 | sdi | well |
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| 15:33.37 | obiwahn | http://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Documentation |
| 15:34.18 | sdi | :-) |
| 15:34.47 | obiwahn | or look at the code of mixer tools that visualize sounds |
| 15:34.53 | c5h12 | Are there people, who regularly use dark themes for GNOME? |
| 15:34.57 | c5h12 | or LXDE |
| 15:35.15 | c5h12 | can you advise me a good dark theme |
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| 15:35.51 | mario_ | can some one help me? |
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| 15:37.06 | Joelito | Hi, mario_ is your SD card part of the boot sequence? |
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| 15:39.17 | mario_ | joelito what do you mean? |
| 15:39.42 | econdudeawesome | Howdy! I'm a complete debian noob, but have experience with Ubuntu. If I wanted to switch to debian, is there a place I could find what software wouldn't be portable? |
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| 15:40.38 | Joelito | econdudeawesome, try packages.debian.org to find if the package you used to have in ubuntu is on debian, most important, the version |
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| 15:42.09 | econdudeawesome | Thanks Joelito. I'm mainly concerned with larger software like GIMP (which I figure is a no-brainer), MATLAB,Ipython, and similar. |
| 15:42.13 | econdudeawesome | I'll look into it |
| 15:42.18 | obiwahn | sdi: http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/13732/generating-random-noise-for-fun-in-dev-snd |
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| 15:51.03 | obiwahn | sdi: http://www.oreilly.de/catalog/multilinux/excerpt/ch14-05.htm |
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| 15:56.40 | sdi | obiwahn: quietly interesting |
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| 15:57.47 | obiwahn | well i have other stuff to do:) |
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| 15:57.59 | obiwahn | but id stick to the alsa doc |
| 15:58.24 | obiwahn | or sourcecode of amarok or wahtever you use on your system |
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| 16:02.56 | dsdeiz | hi, i have thunar autumount external devices. is there a way for it to also automount the other partitions of my hdd? |
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| 16:04.18 | Joelito | dsdeiz, stable version of thunar doesn't support automount of partitions |
| 16:04.19 | superuser_ir | after binding server i must rename the named.conf.local to named.conf ? |
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| 16:04.54 | Joelito | you'll have to add it on your /etc/fstab and add the folder of the mount point to thunar left panel |
| 16:05.07 | Joelito | that's what I do |
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| 16:05.58 | superuser_ir | after binding server i must rename the named.conf.local to named.conf ? |
| 16:06.27 | petemc | superuser_ir: no |
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| 16:07.30 | petemc | superuser_ir: you should probably use the term"configuring bind" rather than "binding" |
| 16:07.41 | shingouz | if i boot into a rescue system, mount the root partition, chroot into the root directory and do an update-grub, the system should be bootable again provided the /etc/default/grub is ok? |
| 16:07.46 | petemc | if you want people to understand you, that is |
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| 16:08.26 | superuser_ir | petemc :when rename it? |
| 16:08.34 | petemc | superuser_ir: you dont rename it |
| 16:08.53 | petemc | just leave it as is |
| 16:08.55 | superuser_ir | petemc : is binding caching time out? |
| 16:09.24 | petemc | im not sure what means |
| 16:10.27 | superuser_ir | petemc :if u binding dns server , how much time to caching it? |
| 16:10.42 | superuser_ir | petemc :if u binding dns server , how much time need to caching it? |
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| 16:11.15 | petemc | superuser_ir: the default config that debian uses should be fine, just add the information for your domains |
| 16:11.29 | petemc | im not sure if that answers your question tho |
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| 16:17.34 | superuser_ir | petemc: if u binding dns , you dns at time is set? |
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| 16:19.45 | boudiccas | there is no such word as 'u' |
| 16:19.57 | boudiccas | !u |
| 16:19.57 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 16:20.13 | stevieman | Is there a way to get scp to retain file permissions when transfering? The user permissions are being changed to the user used for the connection. |
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| 16:20.56 | frostschutz | stevieman: wild guess, but -p? |
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| 16:21.45 | XanKriegor | is there a way to force a custom modeline with the proprietary nvidia driver? Somehow xrandr won't change to my custom modeline. Why is that? |
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| 16:22.00 | stevieman | frostschutz, man say -p is for modification, access times and modes. Plus I tried that and the user permissions are still changing |
| 16:22.32 | themill | stevieman: what do you mean by "user permissions" other than "modes"? |
| 16:22.53 | frostschutz | stevieman: if in doubt, use rsync |
| 16:23.08 | stevieman | themill, perhaps I'm not understanding what they mean by modes then |
| 16:23.35 | stevieman | themill, I thought modes were rwx ect. |
| 16:23.45 | themill | right... which are the permissions |
| 16:23.46 | stevieman | sorry etc... |
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| 16:24.15 | stevieman | themill, Sorry I'm talking about the owner of the file |
| 16:24.18 | frostschutz | so you're saying scp does chmod but not chown, I never noticed that myself, but I mostly use rsync anyway |
| 16:24.44 | stevieman | frostschutz, yah that's it pretty much |
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| 16:25.30 | themill | stevieman: are you root on the remote side of the scp connection? |
| 16:25.44 | stevieman | frostschutz, I've never used rsync to transfer files |
| 16:25.59 | stevieman | themill, well a superuser |
| 16:26.12 | themill | what does that actually mean? |
| 16:26.31 | frostschutz | stevieman: it's worth a look - it's the most powerful copy tool out there |
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| 16:26.46 | stevieman | frostschutz, just reading about it now |
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| 16:27.26 | themill | stevieman: it doesn't matter what tool you use, if you're not root at the other end, you can't create files owned by anyone other than yourself |
| 16:28.16 | stevieman | themill, ok, well the user I am using has root privledges |
| 16:28.32 | themill | the user either *is* root or it is not. |
| 16:28.50 | stevieman | themill, it's just not 'root' |
| 16:28.52 | somiaj | what do you mean has root privlages, just because the user can use 'sudo doesn't mean by default he has the privilages to change permissions |
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| 16:30.08 | winn | hello, where does the .bash_history tmp/swp file exist before a user logs out? |
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| 16:30.44 | winn | someone ran a command on my server and i want to find out who before they log out |
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| 16:30.47 | somiaj | I thought it was in memeory of the shell and is appended at logout (and loaded at login) |
| 16:30.56 | winn | anyway to parse it? |
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| 16:31.15 | somiaj | I'm sure you could locate that info in memory, but I don't know of any tool. |
| 16:31.31 | stevieman | so scp explicitally does not maintain UID/GID |
| 16:31.33 | somiaj | what command did they run? Did it require any special permissions (Sometimes stuff like that is logged in /var/log) |
| 16:31.53 | somiaj | stevieman: scp is like cp, it gives the UID/GID of the person doing the copying. |
| 16:31.55 | winn | they ran a command as sudo root |
| 16:32.13 | themill | winn: sudo keeps logs (auth.log) |
| 16:32.19 | somiaj | winn: check /var/log/auth.log |
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| 16:32.36 | stevieman | somiaj, apparently... not the answer I was hoping for. |
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| 16:33.28 | winn | we don't have an auth.log (this is dev, and am running gentoo) |
| 16:33.30 | somiaj | stevieman: use rsync, but you will have to allow root to be able to use ssh (I think the default on debian allows this). You won't be able to use rsync as any other user and keep uid/gid info. |
| 16:33.40 | winn | its ok, thanks anyway |
| 16:33.48 | somiaj | winn: it is in /var/log -- look though there |
| 16:33.57 | themill | winn: perhaps a gentoo channel would be a more sensible place to ask then? |
| 16:34.00 | somiaj | winn: but if it is on gentoo, might as well go ask #gentoo |
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| 16:34.11 | ChibaPet | Hm. If I tell grub to install to /dev/md0, and /dev/md0 is a software RAID 1 pair, will it do what I expect and want? |
| 16:34.31 | ChibaPet | Right now I manually choose the component drives, but I'm wondering if I'm doing it without maximum sleekness. |
| 16:34.39 | winn | i got a date and time stamp as to when it was run, i just wanted to see the .bash_history in memory before the users logout, else i will only see that it was run as root |
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| 16:34.43 | themill | stevieman: either use something with a little more sophistication (rsync to root@machine at the other end) or use a tarpipe where the files are untarred as root at the other end |
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| 16:35.09 | themill | winn: → #gentoo |
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| 16:36.41 | winn | gotcha thanks |
| 16:36.48 | stevieman | themill, yah I think I'll go the rsync route, something new to learn :) |
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| 16:38.41 | themill | stevieman: you'll still need to rsync to a root@hostname: target though. There's no such thing as a user that "has root privileges" in this sort of thing. /msg dpkg ssh without passwd |
| 16:39.19 | dFence | if configure bitches, that it's missing a Makefile.in (I don't need it and I'm looking for a VERY simple solution, to just skip it) – can I just touch an empty Makefile.in and pray configure won't pay any more attention to it? |
| 16:40.34 | abrotman | dFence: uh what? |
| 16:41.13 | Iridos | haha |
| 16:41.35 | dFence | abrotman: during an automated build I get the error "config.status: error: cannot find input file: `testsuite/Makefile.in'" – I couldn't care less about compiling the testsuite, so what would be the easiest course of action? create an empty Makefile.in? |
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| 16:50.48 | superuser_ir | plz help : "http://pastebin.com/FzsgWZbg" |
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| 16:55.55 | stevieman | so rsync didn't retain the ownership of the files/direcotries either |
| 16:56.24 | Vasistha | I've been using squeeze with backported kernel 2.6.38. Is 3.2.0 (and initramfs-tools 0.99) a recommended upgrade? |
| 16:56.35 | babilen | Vasistha: Sure |
| 16:56.45 | Vasistha | thanks, babilen |
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| 16:57.14 | tdrusk | stevieman: did you include -p |
| 16:57.27 | babilen | stevieman: -a (or -o -p) should make sure that ownership/permissions are retained |
| 16:57.35 | tdrusk | stevieman: man rsync | grep 'permission' |
| 16:58.08 | stevieman | tdrusk, I missed the -p <sigh> |
| 16:58.12 | tdrusk | stevieman: --archive covers this as well |
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| 16:58.36 | tdrusk | stevieman: cool, glad that was the problem and nothing deeper. |
| 16:58.40 | stevieman | What is better -p or --archive? |
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| 16:59.04 | stevieman | tdrusk, well I'm not breaking out the champaigne just yet :) |
| 16:59.05 | babilen | stevieman: --archive subsumes multiple options -- It really depends on what you want. |
| 16:59.31 | babilen | stevieman: -rlptgoD that is (look them up yourself) |
| 16:59.38 | stevieman | babilen: just to maintain UID/GID and modes |
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| 17:00.50 | babilen | stevieman: -po should take care of that -- but read about the others. I don't know of the top of my head if you might want them. I typically end up using -a and haven't had any complains so far ;) |
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| 17:01.51 | stevieman | babilen, I'll try -a and see what happens |
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| 17:02.41 | ke-esc | question: is it possible in /etc/network/interfaces that I want a particular interface to only get its IP from dhcp and not dns/gateway/etc.? |
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| 17:02.50 | babilen | stevieman: Why don't you read about it first? But yeah, TIAS :) |
| 17:03.08 | babilen | !tell ke-esc -about interfaces |
| 17:03.22 | babilen | ke-esc: In short: You want "iface FOO inet dhcp" |
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| 17:05.33 | stevieman | babilen, yep just reading now |
| 17:05.52 | babilen | ke-esc: Ah -- You can either override certain parts of the configuration in interfaces or configure your dhcp client accordindly in /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf (check "request" in there) |
| 17:06.37 | babilen | ke-esc: That could mean that you end up without a nameserver or gateway though (and hence a suboptimal network configuration) |
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| 17:08.24 | ke-esc | babilen, okay- thanks.. Basically I want to ensure I'm getting the gateway and dns from the primary interface and not the other |
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| 17:16.10 | superuser_ir | help me for errors "http://pastebin.com/f0ATVZSG" |
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| 17:17.32 | ethanol | apt-cache show apache2-mpm-prefork lists 3 versions |
| 17:17.36 | ethanol | how could I install an older version? |
| 17:18.47 | themill | can you pastebin "apt-cache policy apache2-mpm-prefork" ? |
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| 17:19.41 | ilaiho | hi! |
| 17:19.55 | ethanol | themill, http://paste.debian.net/158884/ |
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| 17:20.08 | ilaiho | why pulseaudio resets the volume to extremely loud when i reboot |
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| 17:21.40 | themill | ethanol: yeah, I was afraid of that. There is no sensible way to downgrade packages. /msg dpkg downgrade. Why are you wanting to do this? |
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| 17:21.55 | superuser_ir | error : " no TTL specified; using SOA MINTTL instead" |
| 17:22.15 | superuser_ir | help me for this error : no TTL specified; using SOA MINTTL instead |
| 17:22.52 | totte | Is there a simpler way to list installed packages than 'dpkg --get-selections | grep -v deinstall | cut -f1'? |
| 17:24.20 | themill | dpkg: tell totte about installed |
| 17:24.46 | themill | totte: your command doesn't actually give you a list of installed packages but a list of packages that would be installed at the next apt run. |
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| 17:26.23 | totte | themill: Thank you! |
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| 17:34.35 | Iridos | judd, versions lirc-modules-source |
| 17:34.36 | judd | Package: lirc-modules-source on i386 -- lenny: 0.8.3-3; squeeze: 0.8.3-5 |
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| 17:35.38 | Iridos | oi |
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| 17:36.24 | holencia | are the fortunes in debian special messages just for me? |
| 17:36.56 | Iridos | dpkg why is lirc-modules-source not in testing |
| 17:36.57 | dpkg | lirc-modules-source is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=lirc-modules-source |
| 17:37.15 | Iridos | not found? |
| 17:38.25 | somiaj | holencia: they are randomally generated on login from the collection of whatever fortune packages you have installed |
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| 17:38.53 | somiaj | holencia: if you use the motd (and then cron) you could essentally set up a daily (hourly, weekly, monthly, etc) fortune that everyone would see |
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| 17:40.44 | themill | Iridos: it's not in testing because it's not in sid |
| 17:41.56 | Iridos | but... that page never failed to link to something one could squeeze the reasons from |
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| 17:42.07 | Iridos | I guess "nobody maintains it" |
| 17:42.27 | tremon | Iridos: ot |
| 17:42.33 | tremon | tries again |
| 17:42.51 | Iridos | pardon? |
| 17:42.52 | tremon | Iridos: it's because lirc has been merged into mainline (around 2.6.34 iirc). |
| 17:43.09 | Iridos | ah, ok |
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| 17:43.57 | Iridos | tremon, thanks... just got it compiled... so can consider taking backports kernel instead |
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| 17:44.19 | tremon | yeah that should work |
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| 17:48.59 | BabeLing | hi |
| 17:49.03 | superuser_ir | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:49.29 | superuser_ir | how to solve this error ? "no TTL specified; using SOA MINTTL instead" |
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| 17:50.25 | tremon | superuser_ir: $TTL directive |
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| 17:51.11 | superuser_ir | tremon: ? |
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| 17:52.06 | flo` | hi |
| 17:52.34 | flo` | how can i make my system log authentication failures as warnings instead of "info"? (using rsyslogd)? |
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| 17:52.50 | tremon | superuser_ir: if you want a more elaborate response, maybe you can provide a more info? Like why you get that error and from where? |
| 17:52.54 | flo` | this should include ssh, sudo, actually anything which uses a password |
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| 17:53.39 | tremon | flo`: I think rsyslogd has the ability to rewrite, but you should be reconfiguring the logging program, not the logger |
| 17:54.00 | tremon | * the program that generates the message, not the one which stores it |
| 17:54.01 | flo` | tremon, i think i really should do that. but how? |
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| 17:54.34 | flo` | first, do i have to set this up in ssh/sudo/whatever, or is this some PAM setting? |
| 17:54.40 | flo` | and second, how to set it up ;) |
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| 17:58.04 | tremon | flo`: can't answer either of those, general pointers is all I can give you... ssh used to have a syslogfacility directive |
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| 18:00.50 | klync | flo`: just guessing here.... but, i don't think pam does any logging, and ssh won't let you change the priority of a given event, so ... |
| 18:01.30 | klync | flo`: i think you'd have to write your own pam module to generate your log msg and include that on failure |
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| 18:04.37 | somiaj | flo`: why do you want it to be a warning instead of info? |
| 18:05.04 | zero___ | im going to work with indexes of lists, i was just wondering whether the !! operator is slow, anyone knows? |
| 18:05.23 | flo` | somiaj, because it will actually never happen |
| 18:05.35 | flo` | if this happens, then someone is trying to break in my system. |
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| 18:05.51 | flo` | the only user logging in is ME; and i know my password |
| 18:05.58 | somiaj | flo`: There is no chance a user could use a bad ssh key or misstype their password |
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| 18:06.25 | somiaj | flo`: but still, what would be the point of having it as a warning, are you wanting to use some tool to find people tyring to login and say ban their ip? |
| 18:06.42 | flo` | somiaj, i want to get all warnings emailed |
| 18:06.44 | zero___ | oops wrong channel |
| 18:07.02 | tremon | flo`: and you can't email all auth.info messages? |
| 18:07.04 | oops | why? |
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| 18:07.24 | flo` | tremon, yea but then i'd get lots of spam messages |
| 18:07.32 | tremon | flo`: from auth? |
| 18:07.36 | somiaj | flo`: what is the point of these emails, again is the idea is if you have some ip trying to break into your system by guessing username/password their ip gets blocked? |
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| 18:08.29 | flo` | somiaj, that would be good as well |
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| 18:09.44 | somiaj | flo`: look at the package 'denyhosts' |
| 18:09.56 | valdyn | !fail2ban |
| 18:09.57 | dpkg | Fail2ban invokes system access restrictions after repeated logon attempts. It uses <ssh> and <iptables> by default, but can be extended to whatever authentication and access denial system you're using. <Dovecot> administrators: see http://wiki.dovecot.org/HowTo/Fail2Ban . Postfix users: see Debian bug #573314 regarding SASL. Fail2ban does not support <IPv6> (BTS #470417). http://www.fail2ban.org/ See also <denyhosts>. |
| 18:09.57 | klync | flo`: wrong distro, but apropos: http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/rhel-centos-fedora-linux-log-failed-login.html |
| 18:10.53 | karlpinc | flo`: You never said why emails of auth.info would be unwelcome. |
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| 18:15.12 | klync | superuser_ir: specify a ttl? |
| 18:16.00 | klync | superuser_ir: or, turn down verbosity of your dns server (assuming that's where the msg came from)? it's not really an error ... sounds like info to me |
| 18:16.01 | superuser_ir | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:18.11 | gnarface | superuser_ir: its not hard, specify a TTL. the bind manual tells you how to do this. if you don't even know that then you should be reading the manual, not editing your configs |
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| 18:18.30 | sammy | trying to install debian using grub. grub reports no errors, the grub.cfg it creates looks good, but my old grub install on /dev/sda is still there after I boot :/ |
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| 18:19.08 | somiaj | sammy: did you run 'grub-install /dev/sda' |
| 18:19.10 | sammy | Ive rebooted into the install image, re-ran update-grub and grub-install, same results. |
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| 18:19.26 | sammy | somiaj: it should have been run by the installer the first time, but yes, I did the second time. |
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| 18:19.38 | unregistereduser | hi, I am using testing and upgraded transmission to the new version. Today it crashed what it never did before; here is what /var/log/messages contains about the crash : "ar 7 18:09:28 <hostname> kernel: [ 3759.126945] transmission-gt[2733]: segfault at 65 ip 00007fa99ce6637a sp 00007fff18e44578 error 4 in libglib-2.0.so.0.3000.2[7fa99ce31000+f6000]" |
| 18:19.45 | somiaj | sammy: do you have multiple harddrives in that machine? |
| 18:19.55 | sammy | nope. only one and some usb drives. |
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| 18:20.24 | somiaj | sammy: when you ran grub-install did you specify /dev/sda or not? |
| 18:20.35 | sammy | somiaj: I did. |
| 18:20.48 | sammy | with --recheck |
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| 18:25.35 | unregistereduser | how do I get invited into debian-next? |
| 18:25.49 | themill | wrong network; irc.oftc.net |
| 18:25.52 | somiaj | unregistereduser: it is on another irc network, irc.oftc.net (the offical debian network) |
| 18:25.58 | unregistereduser | ah, thx :) |
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| 18:27.46 | superuser_ir | how to specify TTL in debian server ? |
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| 18:30.18 | ksk | superuser_ir: what TTL? |
| 18:30.48 | superuser_ir | ksk:dns server TTL |
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| 18:31.11 | jelly-home | ksk: context is king. In this case, it SEEMS the context is configuring an entry in a zone in Bind or some other authoritative DNS |
| 18:31.51 | ksk | jelly-home: i know!? :p |
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| 18:32.30 | jelly-home | ksk: but you asking "<ksk> superuser_ir: what TTL?" why!? :p |
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| 18:34.14 | Misan | Hi. I have a fresh install of debian 6, with PLESK installed, when I tried to restart the apache server, I get the following error: apache2: bad user name ${APACHE_RUN_USER} |
| 18:34.26 | Misan | The apache_run_user is www-data which is existing |
| 18:34.30 | jelly-home | !plesk |
| 18:34.31 | dpkg | Parallels Plesk Panel (formerly Plesk) is a proprietary web hosting control panel. Not supported in #debian, ask me about <free whcp> for alternatives. http://www.parallels.com/support/plesk/ http://forum.parallels.com/ ##plesk on irc.freenode.net. |
| 18:34.39 | Misan | aw.. |
| 18:35.02 | Misan | the question is if plesk has something to do with www-data? |
| 18:35.07 | Misan | but I do not think so |
| 18:35.18 | jelly-home | Misan: use apache2ctl to manage apache service in Debian, or use the init script. Don't use other methods like calling apache2 directly |
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| 18:35.40 | Misan | Thanks jelly-home |
| 18:35.44 | jelly-home | Misan: it might -- they mess with internals of many packages |
| 18:36.03 | jelly-home | best to contact the vendor if unsure |
| 18:36.13 | Misan | Thanks a lot |
| 18:37.12 | jelly-home | Misan: zless /usr/share/doc/apache2.2-common/README.Debian.gz to find out more about Debian-specific layout and tools |
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| 18:38.19 | flo` | is there a way to put certain programs into a "sandbox"; that is, to restrict file access to the necessary files? |
| 18:38.25 | flo` | (including read access) |
| 18:38.47 | somiaj | flo`: there is chroots (though if someone can get root access inside the chroot they can break out) |
| 18:39.02 | somiaj | flo`: you also have virtuliziation |
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| 18:39.37 | flo` | hrm, i'd like a solution compatible with most user programs. so i can restrict firefox to only touch .mozilla/ or so. |
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| 18:40.09 | somiaj | flo`: you can just set up a restricted user in that case. |
| 18:40.09 | flo` | so that when FF has a security hole, the worst which can happen is that my bookmarks get deleted xD |
| 18:40.10 | superuser_ir | i specified ttl (http://pastebin.com/T0XM6tej) ,why give me this error (no TTL specified; using SOA MINTTL instead) ? |
| 18:40.40 | flo` | somiaj, but one user for firefox, one for thunderbird, one for $foo etc etc ;)? |
| 18:40.42 | somiaj | flo`: that won't be true, if the security hole allows one to escalate root privlages then nothing is safe (Even if you were in a chroot) |
| 18:41.08 | delvalle26 | not to mention rob saved passwords, cookies, and perhaps a download folder |
| 18:41.14 | jelly-home | superuser_ir: which application gives you that error message? |
| 18:41.29 | Misan | jelly-home - that helped a lot thanks |
| 18:41.29 | flo` | delvalle26, true, but better than everything |
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| 18:41.54 | delvalle26 | flo` I would say anything very important, make sure you have backups :) |
| 18:42.01 | flo` | somiaj, true, but at least the attacker needs to gain root access first ;) |
| 18:42.05 | delvalle26 | it would be nice though to have very fine grained control |
| 18:42.12 | superuser_ir | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:42.23 | delvalle26 | there are some apps that would never use let's say soundcard |
| 18:42.33 | flo` | and gaining root is much less likely than gaining user access, right? |
| 18:42.33 | delvalle26 | I've heard SELinux is a pain, and what else is there... apparmor? |
| 18:42.38 | somiaj | flo`: problem with using a different user for each process is firefox also needs to have permissions to talk to your xserver, so if it is running as a different user you have to give that different user to access the running xserver which then gives the program more things it can mess with. |
| 18:42.50 | jelly-home | superuser_ir: you will have to edit the DNS server config then, not some kernel tunable in /proc |
| 18:42.57 | kevlarman | delvalle26: they're all a pain by definition |
| 18:43.06 | jelly-home | superuser_ir: it's a different ttl. |
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| 18:43.15 | flo` | gaining root would require a bug in the kernel or some critical program; gaining user rights requires a bug in FF |
| 18:43.28 | delvalle26 | kevlarman: good point, but the trade-off should at least be reasonable |
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| 18:44.16 | flo` | is SELinux what i want? |
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| 18:44.40 | kevlarman | delvalle26: the non-selinux solutions that i've run into are pretty much unusable on desktop systems |
| 18:44.53 | jelly-home | superuser_ir: each entry in a Bind zone file can have an optional TTL setting. You will want to learn about the zone file format. |
| 18:45.06 | somiaj | you could build a chroot for each process you want and then use something like dchroot to run that process inside the chroot (That will for the most part block that process from seeing anything outside of its chroot jail) |
| 18:45.10 | kevlarman | (they will not allow you to mark a page executable if it has ever been writable, e.g. all jit compilers are broken) |
| 18:45.10 | somiaj | flo`: ^^ |
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| 18:45.26 | kevlarman | somiaj: chroots are bad for security |
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| 18:46.00 | somiaj | kevlarman: well the issue is if someone gains root access they can break out. But if someone escalates a bug to root access would selinux do any better at keeping them conined? |
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| 18:47.16 | kevlarman | somiaj: thing is you need so many things from outside the chroot for most programs |
| 18:47.22 | kevlarman | /dev and /proc come to mind |
| 18:47.43 | somiaj | kevlarman: yea, and they are a pain if you want to build one for every large desktop process |
| 18:47.55 | kevlarman | somiaj: well, unionfs |
| 18:47.57 | kevlarman | but yeah |
| 18:48.01 | rypervenche | I would like to run wordpress on my Debian server. I have had a lot of people tell me I should get Wordpress from wordpress.org and not use the package in the repos. I personally prefer using packages from the repos, but is it a better idea to use the latest version? Or even grab the package from Testing? |
| 18:48.03 | jelly-home | superuser_ir: you can find them easily on the internet. Searching for them instead of you is a bit outside the scope of this channel. Google for zone file format. |
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| 18:48.22 | kevlarman | somiaj: also some operating systems allow you to have security in a chroot even with a root process |
| 18:48.32 | flo` | is there a way to create some kind of sandbox not even root can escape? |
| 18:48.42 | kevlarman | flo`: not on linux |
| 18:48.53 | flo` | so use bsd-jails ;)? |
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| 18:49.03 | kevlarman | or solaris zones |
| 18:49.04 | kevlarman | or a vm |
| 18:49.07 | jelly-home | flo`: or VMs |
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| 18:49.20 | flo` | one vm for firefox, one for thunderbird? no ^^ |
| 18:49.23 | somiaj | flo`: virtuilization (not sure if you can escape from that). OpenVZ is another option I've seen, it makes chroots that are as nice as freebsd jails (it is kinda halfway between virtulization and chroot) |
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| 18:50.16 | jelly-home | flo`: but that's EXACTLY what some people use: http://qubes-os.org/Home.html |
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| 18:51.12 | flo` | jelly-home, hm is that usable on non-highend desktop machines or laptops? |
| 18:51.39 | Iamonthissong | Hello. I have some problems with using my android phone as flash card. When I plugged my phone to usb port, dmesg says "Attached SCSI removable disk", but later dmesg says "Asking for cache data failed" and "Assuming drive cache: write through" (dmesg output is here - http://paste.debian.net/158895/, lsusb -v output is here - http://paste.debian.net/158896/). Debian Wheezy. Thanks in advance. |
| 18:51.39 | jelly-home | flo`: I'm not that paranoid to use it, sorry |
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| 18:51.47 | flo` | heh ;) |
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| 18:51.53 | klync | flo`: ovz is pretty low-footprint, putting aside what you do with the containers |
| 18:52.32 | somiaj | flo`: what webpages do you visit that you are afraid of a firefox exploit gaining access to your system? Or is it more you don't want your system to be errased/corrupted cause of some say image bug exploit deleting /? |
| 18:53.06 | flo` | somiaj, more the latter. but i'm a bit paranoid anyway ;) |
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| 18:53.38 | somiaj | flo`: just keep good backups (you should be doing that anyways, a harddrive failure is probabaly more likely to take out your system than a firefox exploit) |
| 18:53.47 | klync | +1 backups |
| 18:53.51 | somiaj | flo`: as for paranoia, depends on how complicated of a system you want. |
| 18:53.52 | flo` | i do keep backups. |
| 18:54.11 | flo` | i'm more afraid that $spyware_exploit emails all my data to $attacker than deleting it |
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| 18:55.01 | somiaj | flo`: openvz gives you a secure system similar to say bsd jails, virtuilization might be easier to manage though, chroots or using another user could also work but both those will be the easiest to exploit. |
| 18:55.19 | zaltekk | Iamonthissong: look at dev.android.com -- you have to setup udev rules for your device |
| 18:55.26 | flo` | somiaj, thanks, i'll have a look at openvz |
| 18:55.40 | somiaj | flo`: put your data on an encryped partition and don't have it mounteded/available when you are browsing the web. |
| 18:55.47 | klync | i'v never run X from inside an openvz container; perhaps virtualbox would be a better solution |
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| 18:55.55 | flo` | somiaj, this isn't very flo-friendly |
| 18:56.13 | flo` | i usually surf the web and use my personal data simultaneously |
| 18:56.23 | daemonkeeper | flo`: jelly-home pointed you to the _exact_ solution to your problem. |
| 18:56.47 | flo` | you mean qubes-os? |
| 18:56.55 | daemonkeeper | Yes. |
| 18:57.04 | daemonkeeper | That's exactly what you want. |
| 18:57.09 | flo` | i'll also have a look at this |
| 18:57.46 | jelly-home | well RBAC solutions like selinux or that apparmor thing might also be applied |
| 18:58.01 | rypervenche | I would like to run wordpress on my Debian server. I have had a lot of people tell me I should get Wordpress from wordpress.org and not use the package in the repos. I personally prefer using packages from the repos, but is it a better idea to use the latest version? Or even grab the package from Testing? |
| 18:58.09 | zaltekk | grsecurity is quite nice too |
| 18:58.18 | zaltekk | it's "learning" mode is really good |
| 18:58.22 | somiaj | rypervenche: do not grab the package from testing |
| 18:58.35 | daemonkeeper | grsecurity provides general protection only, you need per application RBAC/MAC as jelly-home pointed out. |
| 18:58.48 | zaltekk | daemonkeeper: i believe grsecurity has that now. |
| 18:58.54 | somiaj | rypervenche: why do you want a newer version of wordpress than is in the squeeze repos? Is there a feature you need on the newer versions or is this only security concerns? |
| 18:59.13 | jelly-home | daemonkeeper: grsec also has their own RSBAC |
| 18:59.17 | kevlarman | zaltekk: grsec kills off jit compilers |
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| 18:59.31 | zaltekk | kevlarman: how so? |
| 18:59.48 | kevlarman | zaltekk: it won't allow a page to be executable after it has been writable ever |
| 18:59.50 | rypervenche | somiaj: Nope. I am perfectly happy using Squeeze's version. I was just warned of security issues in older versions. I was under the impression that older doesn't necessarily mean security risk and can in fact mean stabler than the newer versions, especially with Debain. I just wanted to make sure. |
| 18:59.52 | jelly-home | kevlarman: that's not relevant, and can be worked around easily |
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| 18:59.57 | zaltekk | kevlarman: from the PaX? |
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| 19:00.16 | somiaj | rypervenche: debian security team will backport any security fix to the version inside of squeeze |
| 19:00.26 | zaltekk | rypervenche: the thing with web apps, is they usually just release a new verison rather than security patches |
| 19:00.39 | zaltekk | rypervenche: but debian backports security patches so you can have both stability and security |
| 19:00.57 | rypervenche | Good good. I thought I was right in my assumption. <3 Debian |
| 19:01.13 | somiaj | rypervenche: so as long as there isn't some feature/combality issue you need with a newer version, the one in debian should be fine. Any major security hole should get fixed (if you think there is one you can't find a fix for in the changelog, file a bug report) |
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| 19:01.50 | superuser_ir | how to solve this error "http://pastebin.com/4sLEwEUN" |
| 19:01.52 | sammy | yeah I'm completely lost. grub-install doesn't actually change anything on sda |
| 19:01.56 | zaltekk | rypervenche: debian also changes the way the configuration file is handled...moves it and makes them per host and such. the debian readme explains it. |
| 19:01.58 | rypervenche | Now to a different question. Is it possible to use wordpress with nginx in Debian? |
| 19:02.32 | rypervenche | zaltekk: Yes, I noticed that when I had questions a while ago. Everyone in #httpd was not helpful and told me to get the latest version. README.Debian fixed me right up. :) |
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| 19:02.37 | zaltekk | rypervenche: yes. but note that there isn't an official debian squeeze package for php-fpm, which many people seem to use with nginx |
| 19:03.01 | superuser_ir | solved |
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| 19:03.31 | rypervenche | zaltekk: Hmmm, how can I do that since wordpress depends on apache2? |
| 19:03.33 | stevieman | Is there a way to limit rsync's transfer speed? It's eating all the bandwidth and brining our office connection to a halt. It seems --bwlimit doesn't limit the transfer speed but the time between transfers? |
| 19:03.45 | nkuttler | rypervenche: hm? wp needs php, that's all |
| 19:03.52 | tdrusk | stevieman: trickle will do it |
| 19:03.59 | tdrusk | stevieman: rsync can also do it |
| 19:04.01 | zaltekk | rypervenche: it depends on apache2 through php. you can use php fastcgi instead. |
| 19:04.09 | rypervenche | Ah, I'll try installing that first and seeing if that fixes it. |
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| 19:04.21 | zaltekk | but if you don't install fcgi php it'll choose mod-php(apach2) by default |
| 19:04.30 | stevieman | tdrusk, I didn't see trickle in the rsync man |
| 19:04.34 | dondelelcaro | stevieman: that's what --bwlimit does, however it only works on large files |
| 19:04.47 | tdrusk | stevieman: --bwlimit is in rsync |
| 19:04.51 | Iamonthissong | zaltekk: Thanks, worked like a charm. |
| 19:05.09 | tdrusk | stevieman: trickle -d 10 -u 10 command |
| 19:05.14 | stevieman | dondelelcaro, ah, so bwlimit is not going to work as I have a bunch of small files |
| 19:05.21 | tdrusk | stevieman: for 10kb up and 10kb down limit |
| 19:05.25 | zaltekk | Iamonthissong: no problem. it's confusing when you don't already know about having to do that |
| 19:05.33 | zaltekk | since on windows it is detected as usb storage |
| 19:05.59 | dondelelcaro | stevieman: right; use trickle or similar as tdrusk suggests. Read the rsync manpage for details |
| 19:06.21 | N3M35I5 | is there a simple way to email the output of a command via ssh or a .sh. |
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| 19:06.28 | dondelelcaro | stevieman: and really, if you have a very small pipe on your office, you should have traffic shaping and QoS or similar set up so that a single user can't bring down your connection |
| 19:06.32 | stevieman | dondelelcaro, yah that's where I found bwlimit |
| 19:06.42 | N3M35I5 | i was thinking piping the command to a txt then emailing but thats a bit long winded |
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| 19:07.10 | dondelelcaro | N3M35I5: so foocmd |mail -s subject bar@baz.com or similar |
| 19:07.15 | stevieman | dondelelcaro, it's never been an issue before, rsync is pretty special though :) |
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| 19:07.49 | N3M35I5 | ahh durr obviously lol, thanks dondelelcaro its been a long day |
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| 19:08.29 | rypervenche | zaltekk: nkuttler: Thank you. I got it installed without Apache :) I'll figure out the config files. |
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| 19:10.53 | stevieman | tdrusk, so I can do a trickle -su 10 rsync <rsync options here> and it would only limit rsync to 10 KBps. Am I reading the man correctly? |
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| 19:12.42 | abrotman | stevieman: why not use the bandwidth limit in rsync already ? |
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| 19:14.02 | stevieman | abrotman, it doesn't work on small files, it averages the the transfer by pausing between files instead of slowing the actual transfer |
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| 19:14.53 | totte | How does "dpkg -l |awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}'" and "aptitude search -F '%p' '~i'" compare to "apt-cache --installed", for the purpose of listing currently installed packages on my system |
| 19:14.58 | totte | ? |
| 19:15.44 | obiwahn | totte: what the hell do you want? |
| 19:15.45 | abrotman | stevieman: ah okay, good reason :) |
| 19:16.12 | abrotman | totte: are they not the same? |
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| 19:16.40 | totte | obiwahn: I want a list of the currently installed packages on my system, the most reliable and simple method. |
| 19:17.07 | totte | I keep finding new ones, those three seem "proper" though. |
| 19:17.13 | abrotman | totte: those should all match .. do they not ? |
| 19:18.26 | totte | As far as I can tell, yeah, but I'm not that familiar with dpkg/apt/aptitude. |
| 19:18.40 | abrotman | totte: and what did you want to do with the results anyway ? |
| 19:19.15 | totte | A simple list of all the packages, one per line, that I can > to a text file. |
| 19:19.34 | abrotman | yes .. and to do what with the text file? |
| 19:20.27 | totte | Sort out which packages should or shouldn't be installed. |
| 19:21.05 | obiwahn | dpkg --get-selections |
| 19:21.05 | dpkg | obiwahn: bugger all, i dunno |
| 19:21.16 | abrotman | obiwahn: for what reason? |
| 19:21.28 | obiwahn | dont know |
| 19:21.37 | abrotman | so helpful ... |
| 19:21.38 | obiwahn | it think tottes question is stupid:) |
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| 19:21.49 | totte | obiwahn: I was previously told that one list the packages that will be installed on the next run. |
| 19:21.51 | abrotman | totte: you may want to look at something like deborphan and/or debfoster |
| 19:21.57 | obiwahn | totte: why don't you tell us what you want to do? |
| 19:22.00 | abrotman | obiwahn: then don't answer .. if you don't want to help, just be quiet |
| 19:22.19 | abrotman | obiwahn: blurting out random stuff just makes noise and lowers opinions of you |
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| 19:23.30 | totte | Well since I don't see any objections to those three I pasted I'll use one of them. Thanks abrotman. :) |
| 19:23.37 | abrotman | totte: deborphan will list packages that do not have direct dependencies .. debfoster lets you create a set of packages you know you want to have installed .. they both aid removing cruft |
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| 19:24.28 | totte | Hm that sounds useful, I'll try them out, thanks. |
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| 19:24.49 | obiwahn | totte: i think you you want to do something with the list of files - as long as you do not tell us waht you are up to there is no proper answer. |
| 19:25.11 | abrotman | totte: feel free to put obiwahn on /ignore |
| 19:25.39 | superuser_ir | i need a doc to bind apache2 with php |
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| 19:26.13 | abrotman | superuser_ir: the package is libapache2-mod-php5 |
| 19:26.51 | superuser_ir | abortman : i need doc ? |
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| 19:27.15 | superuser_ir | abortman:tutorial help |
| 19:27.18 | abrotman | superuser_ir: /usr/share/doc/ has plenty of docs .. |
| 19:27.32 | abrotman | superuser_ir: or google "Debian squeeze apache php setup" ? |
| 19:27.47 | abrotman | superuser_ir: what do you need more docs for? |
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| 19:31.49 | Adian | I'm having problems with fonts on my Debian sid desktop. I was trying to manually install some TTFs from Windows in /usr/local/share/fonts/... After several attempts to get them working, they still aren't and now most of my X apps have font problems. It seems like fontconfig is happy (fc-list gives all of the fonts I expect), but Iceweasel can't display any text in web pages |
| 19:31.52 | alesan | hi! how do I start ntpdate automatically? |
| 19:31.55 | Adian | and fluxbox (my window manager) shows monospace stuff |
| 19:31.56 | alesan | is there a way? |
| 19:32.04 | abrotman | alesan: you probably should use ntp instead |
| 19:32.17 | alesan | abrotman, could you explain? |
| 19:32.34 | Adian | anyone able to help me figure this issue out with my fonts? |
| 19:32.41 | abrotman | alesan: which part? |
| 19:32.50 | abrotman | alesan: /msg dpkg why not ntpdate |
| 19:33.00 | alesan | abrotman, what do you suggest to do in practice? |
| 19:33.06 | alesan | /msg dpkg why not ntpdate |
| 19:33.10 | obiwahn | ntp is a demon that runs so you do not have to call ntp-date |
| 19:33.16 | abrotman | alesan: use the 'ntp' package instead |
| 19:33.18 | alesan | obiwahn, oh OK good |
| 19:33.27 | alesan | so ntp will be automatically started? |
| 19:33.40 | abrotman | alesan: if you choose, yes |
| 19:33.58 | alesan | "ntpd, chrony or openntpd" which one is the smallest with less dependencies? |
| 19:34.12 | alesan | I am using multistrap to put together a small file system for ARM |
| 19:34.16 | solar_sea | Does the 3.2 kernel in backports support VT-d / IOMMU ? |
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| 19:34.40 | abrotman | alesan: apt-cache show foo .. look for yourself |
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| 19:35.51 | obiwahn | alesan: debtree pkg | dot -Tpng > pkg.png |
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| 19:42.31 | gcmalloc | let's BUUUUUURGER |
| 19:42.35 | gcmalloc | ai ai |
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| 19:43.42 | raziels | Hi together |
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| 19:45.12 | raziels | I've got a strange problem with my TP-Link tl-wn422g (v2) wifi stick ... |
| 19:45.17 | Adian | soooo.... no one interested in helping with my font problems? |
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| 19:50.51 | obiwahn | totte: maybe you are interested in apt-mark which can show you which packages were installed manually. |
| 19:52.04 | reklipz | I'm adding a printer to CUPS on Debian Squeeze. Can anyone explain the difference between the 7 available "Model"s (drivers... I assume) available for my printer (an HP LaserJet 4350)? |
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| 19:53.07 | reklipz | There's CUPS+Gutenprint, a few Foomatic drivers, two PCL drivers (one hpijs, another hpcups), and a "Postscript (Recommended)" driver. |
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| 19:54.40 | superuser_ir | how to solve this error "http://pastebin.com/xX124vb4" |
| 19:56.37 | raziels | My Wireless Network Device doesnt show up to work, its shown in lsusb and dmesg but debian doesnt want tu use it... any ideas |
| 19:56.56 | superuser_ir | how to solve this error "http://pastebin.com/xX124vb4" |
| 19:59.18 | jelly-home | !tell superuser_ir about bat |
| 20:00.23 | jelly-home | solar_sea: the question is, does your cpu AND mainboard (and its BIOS) support VT-d / IOMMU? |
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| 20:00.45 | jelly-home | solar_sea: eg. my cpu does, but the motherboard does not |
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| 20:02.45 | superuser_ir | how to solve this error "http://pastebin.com/xX124vb4" |
| 20:03.04 | obiwahn | superuser_ir: paste the full rund |
| 20:03.26 | abrotman | superuser_ir: please stop repeating |
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| 20:04.40 | superuser_ir | obiwahn: http://pastebin.com/ihP0xs56 |
| 20:04.40 | solar_sea | jelly-home: they do. And on 2.6.x they display the proper messages, however the kernel panics when the nvidia prop driver is loaded |
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| 20:05.00 | solar_sea | jelly-home: now, on 3.2 I get a log only about DMAR, but not iommu |
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| 20:06.16 | abrotman | superuser_ir: congratulations .. you've got a completely screwed up system .. have fun |
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| 20:06.58 | solar_sea | jelly-home: and in /boot/config-3.2.0-0.bpo.1-686-pae | grep -i IOMMU there is "# CONFIG_INTEL_IOMMU is not set |
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| 20:07.36 | jelly-home | solar_sea: oh well, can't confirm or deny anything since I only get "DMAR: BIOS has allocated no shadow GTT; disabling IOMMU for graphics" here! |
| 20:07.56 | obiwahn | superuser_ir: apt-get isntall -f |
| 20:08.04 | obiwahn | does that do something? |
| 20:08.52 | obiwahn | installl |
| 20:09.04 | obiwahn | damn it:) |
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| 20:09.27 | jelly-home | superuser_ir: dotdeb.org "stable" packages are made for Debian 6 ("squeeze"). The rest of your system seems to be Debian 5 ("lenny"). You cannot mix those two. |
| 20:09.54 | solar_sea | so, are there any recent instruction about how to compile a stock kernel so that debian's m-a / dkms will work with it ? |
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| 20:10.38 | superuser_ir | obiwahn:http://pastebin.com/f5JkezSg |
| 20:10.39 | jelly-home | superuser_ir: You ought to get someone to upgrade that OS to Debian 6 first, before enabling third-party repositories for Debian 6. |
| 20:11.04 | abrotman | which he probably doesn't need anyway |
| 20:11.13 | superuser_ir | jelly-home: how do that ? |
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| 20:13.06 | jelly-home | superuser_ir: I'm not comfortable telling you how to do the lenny->squeeze upgrade, because of the language barrier and it's not a trivial task. Find a Debian expert that can speak Farsi or whatever language you know better than English. |
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| 20:13.51 | superuser_ir | R u know i am persian? |
| 20:14.15 | superuser_ir | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:14.45 | jelly-home | superuser_ir: your IP address shows you're using an Iranian ISP. |
| 20:14.59 | jelly-home | superuser_ir: anyone can see that, btw. |
| 20:15.48 | superuser_ir | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:16.15 | jelly-home | superuser_ir: do a "/whois jelly-home" in your irc client to find out! |
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| 20:18.28 | abrotman | he's from a jar! |
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| 20:20.23 | molavy | hi |
| 20:20.50 | molavy | what this mean: |
| 20:20.54 | molavy | debian/rules: configure: add XAUTH_COMMAND="/usr/bin/X11/xauth -q" |
| 20:22.04 | molavy | any idea? |
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| 20:22.27 | Iridos | dpkg, any idea |
| 20:22.28 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a bag full of herring, a little WD-40, and a handful of starving ostriches. And keep the Cabal off my back for the next few hours! |
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| 20:22.36 | jelly-home | molavy: which package is that from? What are you trying to do? |
| 20:23.15 | molavy | try ssh -X but that return this: |
| 20:23.31 | molavy | sh: /usr/X11R6/bin/xauth: not found |
| 20:23.41 | molavy | i found this : |
| 20:23.44 | molavy | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=532900 |
| 20:23.46 | pickcoder | what is the best way to enforce landscape orientation when merging pdf's with gs? The original pdf files are landscape already but gs is rotating and chopping them off in the combined pdf. |
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| 20:24.09 | molavy | at message #37 |
| 20:24.13 | molavy | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=532900#37 |
| 20:24.31 | molavy | i found above line |
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| 20:26.16 | Iridos | from what type of system are you sshing into what type of system |
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| 20:28.17 | cardamon | Can apt-get be made update just one package and its dependencies? |
| 20:28.43 | Iridos | yes... apt-get install package |
| 20:28.47 | Iridos | or |
| 20:28.55 | Iridos | apt-get install package=version |
| 20:29.07 | cardamon | I want to update all of my wireless stuff, including my kernel and at5k driver, to what's currently in testing. |
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| 20:29.45 | cardamon | I want to see if it addresses an issue. Prepared to nuke this install anyway, so I can't break anything that can't be fixed. |
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| 20:29.56 | cardamon | It's just that a dist-upgrade would take all day. |
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| 20:30.17 | Iridos | install the newer kernel from backports? |
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| 20:34.31 | cardamon | buh, that way lies madness. |
| 20:35.12 | molavy | fedoracore 16 to debian 6 |
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| 20:36.09 | Iridos | cardamon, what did you try to update |
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| 20:37.15 | jelly-home | molavy: is xauth package installed on the Debian machine? |
| 20:38.42 | Iridos | the X11R6 path has long been absent... |
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| 20:39.36 | molavy | ya, for me so |
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| 20:41.32 | Iridos | hm |
| 20:41.41 | philipp | hey nerds |
| 20:41.47 | anuvrat | hey, I am looking for the debian arm port for a FriendlyARM Tiny6410 board http://www.friendlyarm.net/products/tiny6410. How do I exatly go about finding it? |
| 20:42.00 | philipp | is there any chance how to view a desktop over the internet? |
| 20:42.02 | molavy | xauth is already the newest version. |
| 20:42.11 | Iridos | I had thought one of the machine must be either very old or a bit exotic (i.e. runnin XFree or dropbox or the like) |
| 20:42.13 | anuvrat | I mean I need a stripped down version ... |
| 20:42.48 | Iridos | molavy, well, you can make the symlink to where it asks... just ain't clear if the message comes from the server or client side |
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| 20:43.16 | somiaj | philipp: you can use something like vnc if you want to be on the whole desktop, or you could do something like X11 forwarding over ssh (and this way you can run graphical applications on the server on your current desktop). |
| 20:43.54 | Iridos | anuvrat, emdebian? But looks like that thing has enough disk space for regular debian... |
| 20:44.03 | molavy | ln /usr/bin/X11/xauth /usr/X11R6/bin/xauth |
| 20:44.34 | molavy | sh: /usr/X11R6/bin/xauth: not found |
| 20:45.04 | anuvrat | Iridos: okay .. still where do I find the arm port ... browsing the ftp has confused me |
| 20:45.15 | molavy | i telnet to remote machine but i want access desktop |
| 20:45.16 | Iridos | use ln -s ... also would need do do mkdir -P /usr/X11R6/bin/ |
| 20:45.42 | philipp | somiaj, i already have experiance with ssh x forwarding. it sucks. |
| 20:46.01 | jelly-home | molavy: does "ssh -o XAuthLocation=/usr/bin/xauth -X remote-debian" work differently?" |
| 20:46.06 | jelly-home | " |
| 20:46.09 | philipp | can i somehow see what programs are running in his current session and interact with this session somehow? |
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| 20:46.58 | Iridos | dpkg, tell anuvrat about armel |
| 20:47.05 | philipp | like start in his current session "espeak "hey buddy"" |
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| 20:48.10 | jelly-home | molavy: if it does not work either, please pastebin the output of ssh -o XAuthLocation=/usr/bin/xauth -vv -X remotemachine |
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| 20:48.34 | anuvrat | thanks Iridos, dpkg please |
| 20:48.45 | philipp | how can i interact with a current x session like playing a message on his boxes? |
| 20:51.13 | Iridos | not polite to play messages on other peoples boxes |
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| 20:51.51 | philipp | Iridos, its a frinend of mine... i wanna use it if i change something on his pc to inform him |
| 20:51.56 | jelly-home | philipp: go over there and talk to people FFS |
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| 20:52.32 | Iridos | jelly-home, uh, talking to people is so... 20th century |
| 20:52.44 | philipp | jelly-home, that i dont have to go over there for every change i do on his system is why ssh was invented jackass |
| 20:52.48 | pickcoder | gs is s till being obtuse |
| 20:53.26 | molavy | http://pastebin.com/LUk4GECr |
| 20:53.29 | philipp | it was invented so network administrators like me can get fat |
| 20:54.28 | philipp | guys whats your problem? dont you know how to do that or just dont you wanna tell me? |
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| 20:54.56 | AlexC_ | G'morning |
| 20:55.15 | jelly-home | philipp: I don't know, and I think the approach might be incorrect. |
| 20:55.46 | AlexC_ | The mysql-server security update for Squeeze has just killed MySQL here; it failed to start when doing the upgrade and has not been upgraded. How can I resolve this? |
| 20:55.51 | philipp | jelly-home, im fooling around with a buddy. thats nothing illegal |
| 20:56.01 | molavy | jelly-home, any idea? |
| 20:56.11 | pickcoder | heh.. depends on which state you're in.. hehe |
| 20:56.37 | philipp | pickcoder, she is a pretty girl and im storking her through cam :P |
| 20:56.40 | philipp | just kidding |
| 20:56.50 | jelly-home | philipp: in a technical way. Of course you're not doing anything illegal, that'd be offtopic on Freenode. An audio signal could be done without access to the active X session, by merely running an alsa app. |
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| 20:58.17 | Iridos | and actually spying on someone elses desktop would be illegal in my country, buddy or no |
| 20:58.21 | jelly-home | I prefer sending a mail or a notification over a shared instant-message app. |
| 20:58.43 | AlexC_ | Has anyone else experience issues with mysql-server security update? It'll no longer start [ERROR] Failed to open log (file './mysql-bin.000397', errno 13) and similar |
| 20:58.50 | jelly-home | or picking up that phone and talking to people ffs |
| 20:59.07 | philipp | Iridos, im from austria and its illegal here too and im not using it for that |
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| 20:59.38 | philipp | jelly-home, he has not read or sent a mail in his life... he uses his pc to watch porn and chat on facebook |
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| 21:00.24 | ksx4system | well, I have a headless Debian GNU/Linux server running on a fairly powerful thin client. At the moment there's no ALSA or anything to make sound. |
| 21:00.34 | ksx4system | how do I prepare it to be able to play a sound? |
| 21:00.43 | philipp | jelly-home, just try to give him maximum benifits without troubleing him about technical stuff |
| 21:00.47 | ksx4system | I already know that there are some command line mp3 players |
| 21:00.58 | ksx4system | and some of them probably can play internet radio |
| 21:01.02 | jelly-home | philipp: does he not have skype or msn or whatever |
| 21:01.12 | gnarface | is this a real ipv6 address? 2001:503:ba3e::2:30 is it pingable/routeable ? |
| 21:01.25 | jelly-home | looks real |
| 21:01.28 | Dagger2 | gnarface: yes |
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| 21:01.52 | noob_at_work | Hi guys |
| 21:01.58 | gnarface | Dagger2: what comand did you use to ping it? |
| 21:02.03 | Dagger2 | `ping6` |
| 21:02.05 | Iridos | molavy, why are you running dropbear instead of sshd on the server? Is that some embedded device or something else with very tight space constraints? |
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| 21:02.54 | gnarface | Dagger2: just ping6 2001:503:ba3e::2:30? |
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| 21:03.09 | Dagger2 | gnarface: yes |
| 21:03.14 | philipp | jelly-home, sry man but ur anoying. he was last time online on msn 6 years ago, he almoused never goes on his cell. he did the last security update for 3 years and i am trying now to administrate his pc from here. He trusts me we are good buddys and fooling around with each other |
| 21:03.30 | jelly-home | philipp: the easiest way to contact him is probably via fb, then. I mean you can attach to the X session, or the pulseaudio or DBus, but it's too complex |
| 21:03.46 | Iridos | molavy, hm, and you're right... seems to be a regression of the 2009 dropbear bug |
| 21:04.20 | jelly-home | philipp: if you need to see how things look at that end, there's x11vnc |
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| 21:04.37 | molavy | how can i fix this? |
| 21:04.55 | gnarface | Dagger2: i don't suppose you could pastebin me a traceroute to it? |
| 21:05.14 | philipp | jelly-home, i like to extend my limits. facebook is not good cause it stores eveything forever and i dont wannna send there "hey buddy, you can watch this pornside smooth now" |
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| 21:06.19 | jelly-home | gnarface: http://lg.he.net/ |
| 21:06.26 | AlexC_ | Warning to those on Debian Squeeze; mysql-server update seems to fail, it sets the owner/group to 'root' instead of 'mysql' for some files in /var/lib/mysql causing MySQL to fail to start |
| 21:06.37 | Dagger2 | gnarface: you can do pings and traceroutes yourself from (ah, beaten to it) http://lg.he.net/ |
| 21:06.58 | jelly-home | gnarface: enter just the ipv6 address, without any [] |
| 21:07.19 | Iridos | <Iridos> molavy, why are you running dropbear instead of sshd on the server? Is that some embedded device or something else with very tight space constraints? |
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| 21:08.23 | Iridos | molavy, as I said... you can just set a softlink, obviously that fixes it. Would be good to also report it as a bug - or add to bug 532900 |
| 21:08.37 | molavy | i really don't change anything, that was default service, |
| 21:08.49 | tremon | philipp: have you considered xtell, zenity or kdialog? |
| 21:08.57 | molavy | i created link, without success |
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| 21:09.36 | gnarface | jelly-home: do i have to do something special to enable ipv6 in squeeze? |
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| 21:09.59 | jelly-home | gnarface: no idea. I usually want to _disable_ it. |
| 21:10.05 | valdyn | gnarface: its on |
| 21:10.15 | gnarface | so somehow i've sabotaged my ability to ping it |
| 21:10.32 | valdyn | gnarface: but its useless without an ipv6 tunnel |
| 21:10.33 | Iridos | molavy, with something like mkdir -p /usr/X11R6/bin/; ln -s /usr/bin/xauth /usr/X11R6/bin/xauth # make sure there is /usr/bin/xauth |
| 21:10.36 | jelly-home | gnarface: what do "ip -6 a" and "ip -6 r" say? |
| 21:10.45 | valdyn | gnarface: unless you only want it in your local net |
| 21:11.23 | valdyn | gnarface: or obviously instead of a tunnel your isp could support it directly |
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| 21:11.47 | gnarface | jelly-home: http://paste.debian.net/158913/ |
| 21:12.30 | jelly-home | gnarface: you have: no public 'v6 address, no default ipv6 routes. |
| 21:12.33 | Dagger2 | gnarface: you have no IPv6 access there. the fe80:: addresses are link-local, and only work on a single link -- you can't reach IPv6 sites on the internet with them |
| 21:12.43 | molavy | i copied this line |
| 21:12.49 | molavy | mkdir -p /usr/X11R6/bin/; ln -s /usr/bin/xauth /usr/X11R6/bin/xaut |
| 21:12.53 | molavy | h |
| 21:12.53 | jelly-home | gnarface: this is normal. |
| 21:12.54 | AlexC_ | What's the command again to report a bug from CLI? |
| 21:13.07 | gnarface | jelly-home: is this my fault or my ISP? |
| 21:13.19 | molavy | and paste into remote machine i telnet into |
| 21:13.26 | valdyn | gnarface: both |
| 21:13.28 | jelly-home | gnarface: ISPs these days do not give ipv6 or dual-stack by default |
| 21:13.28 | HSorgYves | how can i redirect cron mail to several accounts using MAILTO? |
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| 21:13.46 | molavy | but when i run ssh: |
| 21:13.48 | molavy | ssh -o XAuthLocation=/usr/bin/xauth -vv -X |
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| 21:14.03 | jelly-home | molavy: use a pastebin! |
| 21:14.03 | molavy | last two line : |
| 21:14.06 | molavy | sh: /usr/X11R6/bin/xauth: not found |
| 21:14.08 | molavy | debug2: channel 0: written 36 to efd 6 |
| 21:14.18 | valdyn | gnarface: your isp might support ipv6, some do, but even in that case its off in ppp by default |
| 21:14.38 | gnarface | valdyn: i need clarification |
| 21:14.52 | valdyn | gnarface: i cant know if your isp supports ipv6 |
| 21:15.01 | gnarface | valdyn: when you say "both" do you mean that my ISP *may* have an ipv6 address for me and i simply forgot to put it in my /etc/network/interfaces along with the ipv4 one? |
| 21:15.02 | Dagger2 | valdyn/gnarface: looks like Speakeasy don't, so I guess we can blame them |
| 21:15.15 | jelly-home | gnarface: it needs to be configured at both ends. |
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| 21:15.29 | gnarface | jelly-home: please its important you're explicit |
| 21:15.47 | gnarface | jelly-home: i need to know if i need to add the ipv6 addresses along with the ipv4 ones in my /etc/network/interfaces file |
| 21:15.52 | valdyn | gnarface: no, your isp might advertise it but the way you access your isp might have ipv6 disabled, like for example ppp supports ipv6, but its disabled by default |
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| 21:15.57 | gnarface | jelly-home: that pasetbin was NOT from speakeasy |
| 21:15.57 | Dagger2 | gnarface: although if you want access you can set a tunnel up yourself (either to HE or SixXS, or using 6to4 or Teredo) |
| 21:16.03 | Iridos | molavy, you can check the softlink with ls -lL /usr/X11R6/bin/xauth |
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| 21:16.16 | gnarface | OMG i don't access my isp through fucking ppp |
| 21:16.23 | gnarface | stop with the misdirections and just asnswer the quesxtion |
| 21:16.23 | valdyn | gnarface: its more likely though that your isp doesnt support it, so theres no point in enabling it |
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| 21:16.45 | darkelfjuggalo | hey everyone |
| 21:16.45 | molavy | return |
| 21:16.47 | molavy | -rwxrwxrwx 1 root root 36672 Dec 7 2009 /usr/X11R6/bin/xauth |
| 21:17.02 | jelly-home | gnarface: we can't answer that, you WILL have to ask your ISP whether they support it and how exactly to configure the system. It might be a static IP, or a small static segment, or one of two possible dynamic configuration modes. |
| 21:17.03 | tremon | HSorgYves: /etc/aliases? |
| 21:17.04 | sweb | any guide for installation a package from source package. for example i need install php with my configure with debian source package |
| 21:17.06 | gnarface | valdyn: assume my isp is not speakeasy. assume they DO support it. assume its set up at their end. would the output of my prior paste be consistent with me merely not having put the ipv6 address in my interfaces file along with ipv4 ones? |
| 21:17.26 | gnarface | that is ALL i need clarified ^^^^ |
| 21:17.37 | gnarface | fuck |
| 21:17.38 | valdyn | gnarface: i dont know how your isp is accessed |
| 21:17.45 | gnarface | valdyn: assume its ethernet |
| 21:17.50 | gnarface | valdyn: its a hosted box at a colo facility |
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| 21:18.02 | gnarface | valdyn: its not ppp ppoe, dsl, satellite or fucking dial up |
| 21:18.04 | jelly-home | gnarface: ask them. |
| 21:18.07 | valdyn | gnarface: in ethernet ipv6 is configured automatically on any host that has ip forwarding not enabled |
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| 21:18.15 | HSorgYves | tremon: /etc/aliases allows to forward mail sent to a local user to 1 or multiple others, can't this be done directly through MAILTO variable? |
| 21:18.17 | Dagger2 | gnarface: It Depends. maybe. if your ISP requires static configuration, then yes. if your ISP requires DHCPv6, then yes, I think so, since you'd need to configure a DHCPv6 client |
| 21:18.32 | gnarface | Dagger2: THANK YOU |
| 21:18.33 | gnarface | fuck |
| 21:18.51 | Iridos | molavy, so it's there... I dunno, could it look for it on your local machine under that path? But... your ssh -vv output doesn't suggest that |
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| 21:19.14 | valdyn | gnarface: thats not entirely right |
| 21:19.15 | Dagger2 | gnarface: if your ISP is using SLAAC, then again maybe -- it depends on if you have forwarding and/or SLAAC enabled (enabling forwarding normally turns off SLAAC in Linux) |
| 21:19.16 | tremon | HSorgYves: don't think so. Have you tried it, either comma- or semicolon-separated? |
| 21:19.19 | darkelfjuggalo | So, I got the Emaichine changed over to Squeeze last night...but issue occured that my Root password wouldn't work... I couldn't get on one of the other computers to ask about it, and had to reformat again... now i'm stuck using my Etch Discs[as much as i didn't wish to] |
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| 21:19.49 | gnarface | valdyn, Dagger2 its just cat6 from my cisco switches into theirs |
| 21:19.56 | darkelfjuggalo | MY etch discs claim that it cannot find my Ethernet despite the computer is hooked up to the internet... |
| 21:20.08 | valdyn | gnarface: yes, im already assuming ethernet |
| 21:20.11 | pozic | Can you explain why Nautilus uses 180% CPU? |
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| 21:20.28 | tremon | wonders what happened to init=/bin/bash to reset a root password |
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| 21:20.29 | molavy | i must run it on local or server? create link on local or server? |
| 21:20.42 | valdyn | gnarface: theres the static option, but that makes no sense in a colo, but its possible, theres radvd which requires no client, theres also dhcpv6 which requires a client |
| 21:21.00 | gnarface | well the ipv4 addresses are assigned statically |
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| 21:21.11 | gnarface | dhcp doesn't exist anywhere on the cluster |
| 21:21.15 | gnarface | does that clarify anything? |
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| 21:21.30 | jelly-home | pozic: multithreaded apps can use more than a single core, thus, 180% (of 1 core) |
| 21:21.42 | valdyn | gnarface: not really, ipv6 lends itself better to autoconfiguration, but then again your isp can choose to go the static route, whatever |
| 21:21.44 | tremon | gnarface: if the ipv4 is assigned statically, how did you know what addresses to configure? |
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| 21:22.16 | pozic | jelly-home: I meant to say "why does a file manager go in an infinite loop?" |
| 21:22.31 | jelly-home | to get to the other side |
| 21:22.33 | tremon | pozic: how do you know it's infinite? ;) |
| 21:22.35 | jelly-home | hides |
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| 21:23.22 | pozic | ... |
| 21:23.24 | jelly-home | pozic: it's buggy or tries to preview/make a nice icon for a couple thousand files |
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| 21:23.44 | pozic | jelly-home: how can I run just nautilus without it killing itself? |
| 21:23.49 | jelly-home | pozic: no idea |
| 21:23.51 | pozic | jelly-home: it detects the desktop is already active. |
| 21:24.05 | pozic | And then it instructs the desktop to do what it is supposed to do. |
| 21:24.21 | pozic | That is nice for certain applications, but not to see wth it is doing. |
| 21:24.23 | gnarface | tremon: uh, because when i bolted the boxes to the rack i was given a piece of paper with my ipv4 address blocks on it. ipv6 wasn't mentioned |
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| 21:24.29 | valdyn | pozic: that "desktop" *is* nautilus, probably |
| 21:24.41 | ksx4system | how can I fix it? http://paste.debian.net/158914/ |
| 21:24.51 | ksx4system | I have already installed alsa and alsa-utils |
| 21:24.51 | gnarface | valdyn: i'm just trying to figure out if they did and i didn't notice. that's all |
| 21:25.16 | pozic | valdyn: I know. |
| 21:25.22 | pozic | valdyn: and I don't want that to happen. |
| 21:25.22 | tremon | gnarface: I think you should retrace your steps and remember who gave you that piece of paper, then ask for ipv6 addresses too. It's no use trying to ask debian users about your colo provider |
| 21:25.27 | AlexC_ | Has anyone else had issues upgrading MySQL for the security fix in Squeeze? Wondering if it's just isolated to my configuration |
| 21:25.30 | AlexC_ | Or if to report a bug |
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| 21:25.43 | pozic | valdyn: I want the program to start completely independently of that. |
| 21:25.43 | ksx4system | anybody help? I have no idea how to fix this on squeeze http://paste.debian.net/158914/ |
| 21:25.52 | HSorgYves | tremon: no, but i will try now |
| 21:25.53 | valdyn | pozic: its configurable inside nautilus |
| 21:25.56 | mjrosenb | hrmm, #debian-next is invitation only? |
| 21:25.59 | pozic | valdyn: so, it should just open a file manager window and nothing else. |
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| 21:26.19 | valdyn | pozic: yes, open the config inside nautilus and disable the desktop |
| 21:26.32 | pozic | valdyn: I already am running with --no-desktop |
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| 21:26.41 | gnarface | tremon: well that's already in process and i'm waiting for a response. what i'm trying to figure out is whether i'll have to type shit in manually or the fact i already have a valid ipv4, static network configuration in squeeze will allow it to just automatically start working for ipv6 too when they DO turn it on |
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| 21:26.45 | pozic | valdyn: that is, the second instance of nautilus. |
| 21:26.53 | pozic | valdyn: which I start via the command line. |
| 21:26.55 | Dagger2 | gnarface: you could try `rdisc6` to see if there's any discoverable routers on the link. but the only way to know for sure is to ask your upstream |
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| 21:27.15 | valdyn | pozic: open a window in the first instance, set this in the config dialog, not on command line |
| 21:27.36 | gnarface | Dagger2: uh... is there a debian package for that? |
| 21:27.55 | gnarface | Dagger2: nevermind, found it |
| 21:27.55 | Dagger2 | it's in `ndisc6`, just to confuse you a bit |
| 21:28.13 | pozic | valdyn: do you know the name of the option? |
| 21:28.49 | grzesag | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:28.51 | ksx4system | ok, one more time: how do I fix it? http://paste.debian.net/158914/ ALSA is of course installed (alsa and alsa-utils packages) |
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| 21:29.31 | pozic | valdyn: ok, I think I found the problem. |
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| 21:29.44 | grzesag | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:29.45 | molavy | there is really no answer for my question |
| 21:29.46 | pozic | valdyn: it seems I have almost 120000 files in my homedir(!). |
| 21:30.00 | pozic | valdyn: dolphin handles it without too much problems, btw. |
| 21:30.01 | Dagger2 | gnarface: you'll need to do SOME configuration, since they're supposed to route a block of addresses to you and you'll have to pick what address your router uses... but honestly I expect the response to be "IPv6? huh? we haven't even got IPv5 yet" or something along those lines :/ |
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| 21:30.12 | pozic | valdyn: (and no, I don't usually have that many) |
| 21:30.26 | darkelfjuggalo | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:30.34 | darkelfjuggalo | MY etch discs claim that it cannot find my Ethernet despite the computer is hooked up to the internet... |
| 21:31.23 | tremon | gnarface: if the colo was already advertising ipv6 routes, squeeze would have picked it up automatically. static assignment with ipv6 is madness, I would expect a colo to use dhcpv6 with prefix delegation. That does require some configuration on your part, but you can't start unless you get answers about their setup first |
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| 21:31.58 | gnarface | ok |
| 21:32.11 | ksx4system | ok, one more time: how do I fix it? http://paste.debian.net/158914/ ALSA is of course installed (alsa and alsa-utils packages) |
| 21:32.17 | gnarface | Dagger2, tremon, jelly-home, valdyn thanks. *sigh* |
| 21:32.18 | tremon | darkelfjuggalo: is your computer older than 5 years? |
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| 21:33.51 | Dagger2 | gnarface: incidentally if you do need IPv6 and your provider won't do it, I recommend a tunnel from tunnelbroker.net, which is what I use here |
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| 21:34.49 | gnarface | Dagger2: noted. i was just trying to debug errors i was seeing in the dns logs actually about failure to contact root server ip's but it doesn't seem fatal yet. |
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| 21:35.32 | gnarface | Dagger2: i expect *this* ISP will provide anything i ask, so long as the client approves the fees |
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| 21:36.26 | pozic | How do I remove 100K files via the shell? All are of the form foo.bar.1 foo.bar.2, etc. I get that the argument list is too long. |
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| 21:36.52 | pozic | Those limits are also kind of ancient. |
| 21:37.12 | Dagger2 | gnarface: ah... that SHOULD be fine, because the failure happens immediately and bind will use the v4 addresses instead. bit annoying that it reports failure in cases where it was never going to succeed though :/ |
| 21:37.15 | pozic | There is no real need to have such limitations in an OS. Why does Linux have those? |
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| 21:37.41 | gnarface | Dagger2: well that's kindof a puzzle to me.... there are root dns servers that are ipv6-only or what? |
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| 21:37.51 | Doctor_ | Witam serecznie :) |
| 21:37.58 | Doctor_ | mam mala sprawe, mozna pytac? |
| 21:38.25 | gnarface | pozic: you can use a for loop in bash |
| 21:38.37 | pozic | I will just use xargs. |
| 21:38.41 | tremon | pozic: try a variation of find . -type f -print -delete |
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| 21:38.58 | pozic | tremon: hmm, that's better. |
| 21:39.04 | Doctor_ | sa tu polacy? |
| 21:39.16 | tremon | pozic: it's also dangerous. Try without -delete first |
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| 21:39.26 | pozic | tremon: of course :) |
| 21:39.45 | pozic | tremon: it needs a maxdepth too, etc. |
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| 21:41.16 | darkelfjuggalo | hello? |
| 21:41.41 | Dagger2 | gnarface: looking from here, they all have v4 and all but b, c, e and g have IPv6. bind really ought to be trying the v4 addresses first... maybe it's trying v4 and failing for some reason, then trying v6 before moving on to a second root server? |
| 21:41.42 | tremon | gnarface: there are no ipv6-only root servers afaik, but most are dual-stack |
| 21:42.37 | jelly-home | Dagger2: Debian does some silly things with name resolution |
| 21:42.42 | tremon | Dagger2: that's weird. My root servers all have AAAA records except for b, c, d, e, g |
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| 21:42.48 | gnarface | Dagger2: yea its possible its something that wouldn't have appeared in the logs unless someone was trying to trick my dns server into giving out information about internal hostnames |
| 21:43.21 | gnarface | that part is still a bit of a puzzle to me |
| 21:43.24 | gnarface | its very intermittent |
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| 21:44.07 | Dagger2 | tremon: "d.root-servers.net. 604510 IN AAAA 2001:500:2d::d" |
| 21:44.11 | sweb | i install bind9 but folder /var/named is not created |
| 21:44.22 | gnarface | sweb: in debian its in /etc/bind |
| 21:44.46 | sweb | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:45.18 | gnarface | sweb: i'm sorry to tell you, but its a lie |
| 21:45.20 | tremon | sweb: /var/lib/named |
| 21:45.31 | Dagger2 | jelly-home: even Debian should prioritize via /etc/gai.conf, but I guess bind is something that just maybe might implement its own resolver function that doesn't prioritize |
| 21:45.33 | acu | if I install wheezy with gnome as virtual machine - I get that fallback gnome - is anyway to have it as it should be (I know in virtual machines - kvm - probably the driver for vga should be the main point) but that is why I am asking - perhaps someone have already thought about it ? |
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| 21:45.38 | ksx4system | ok, one more time: how do I fix it? http://paste.debian.net/158914/ ALSA is of course installed (alsa and alsa-utils packages) |
| 21:45.42 | Rootabox | Is anyone here a fudge plucker |
| 21:45.43 | tremon | sweb: correction, /var/lib/named... |
| 21:45.54 | Rootabox | Is anyone here a fudge plucker. I'm talking bout a rastal marry yo map |
| 21:45.55 | Rootabox | Is anyone here a fudge plucker. I'm talking bout a rastal marry yo map. |
| 21:45.56 | tremon | uh... /var/lib/bind that is |
| 21:46.15 | Rootabox | Shoematsu desu, nibble the hair buns with caution Belgable wolf waffy. Is anyone here a rubberty dugger? Is anyone a reggy dick plegger? Shoody spalooj moojer! Mella McTastrum. Is this happy hour at the retard shack again? ron ron reggatoon. Walla julie malerf luck. Weggerty wing yaing plucking time! |
| 21:46.17 | Rootabox | Gotta set up for the suicide slide Gamma mareenmon. I've got more scrap ass shit than you can balieve with. Sally McNuffo whip. after secv on a sp00ky stream Fagga foo regga makegg mahoun. Its all fun and games until the power goes out. Mennima Pay Street. Rubbity dib dadge pickard. Lelly in ma kellar. |
| 21:46.19 | Rootabox | Float a pelly plack ass. You're a digital dumbass. Smuggy jaloo meff jillahole. Dick, dick, dick dickaloo! Dick dickaloo my darling. Haggity ma heggal hole. nuriggerdy diggal. Visi blurb cage. O melon man mist meluhn mijohn. Oh man mellajoram. Hebble oh babble. |
| 21:46.21 | Rootabox | Two guns and a ruck roog. Turned into a hollow loop. scritch scratch the happy dog. Is anyone here a fudge plucker. I'm talking bout a rastal marry yo map. |
| 21:46.23 | jelly-home | !ops Rootabox |
| 21:46.23 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: jelly-home complains about: Rootabox |
| 21:46.24 | Rootabox | Ploona lefflie ludge picking! Haggy smith heddal, marry oh dettal. Hannabalist, no cannibalist, no hannibalist balievar. Ban dackoo. Put on weight! Wherr wiss fall, nudge plucking. too many |\|igg/\s, that's my line. I'm squirt with the worth of the mother plucking fine. Hoomee missee Mic daisy too. Davey oh doubt. Meggie mahoo middle. |
| 21:46.25 | Rootabox | Too many Romulan potatoers. Matoonal dakkal. Helly muhp, melly muhp, runna minuck taste-rum. Wack ass weight! Hellamanorf weg watthal. I think I'll just start to try my McTasterums. Rubbity boom ducking. Hitchaleval exasht romice. Up with jelly my humpfrins. Uva devil miss tee pie. She can't poo! |
| 21:46.27 | Rootabox | Shniqqen munuh lik leggal perritolma penis pran chella maloney day breeze Paahster jam ban wikkle. Hella mah lun mick hella malole. Hella minull mic mella manoh. The roadline, it's illegal. Trully mulla mih nole. I'm a relladge-o-melladge-o-ram. Come on you fuckin dag asses. |
| 21:46.29 | Rootabox | Damned ram bastions. McJellio oper Smelly gruthergrarin trilaxals. withers ground ring air Puggle dee maggle dee mack traggle Jeremy sniqqle. Jeremy spoken, in next day I brusht boyered, I kicked a ball! mellaminorf troll protectors, trolls on the road! troll protectors, their stones of power glow! |
| 21:46.32 | Rootabox | Fleeberty dith bub, a hick now a hither they humpty tance Hunchell munch a reg uhl schoolio tress nael Chuck a lick a loon baby tunes Weerz mellicorp To the wack ann watching machine wells darilla raptor plexing |
| 21:46.32 | Rootabox | Shligga ligga millik hole Shligga ligga millik hole regamakio mathjul hah there Just like in Bart Simpson the Magazine! Ban ricky ban glicky jallo whip! menario mibs Pahorp pahilla thin meffrin slujjal jeggy moran magomorph baleener |
| 21:46.34 | Rootabox | I spell it throwt, you spell it throat, the real way to spell it is throwt throwt THROWT! Hux a mex a lig dwarf dudikolan mail street. Rella manae, Rella Manae, Rye dut duh! I'm living on budgy placky street. Reggal dee deck shweener Hicker trellalicker |
| 21:46.37 | Rootabox | What part of that doesn't make sense to you robo I'm rang dang smacking it up to the reck a heek a horn drom. Rag agg big chacka lo datey fifty. Sniggital maggal Shelly a jelly a jew lillaputan meglamarian necks booga man Rejja mella mic jeggal Baika looka reg tag |
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| 21:46.38 | Rootabox | Throat a pelly proat raick axe. It doesn't eat muggo whip. It's a piece of paiper. Scrubbity ass ragamahoun. Raggity ass maga muffin. Where's songy brother? Where's spongy brother? Jellanie mic flyer. Paloody pluck bag ack. Paloody pluck bag ack. |
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| 21:46.51 | ksx4system | omg what was that |
| 21:46.53 | klync | applauds |
| 21:46.55 | tremon | ah, the quiet... |
| 21:46.56 | jelly-home | B-, ops. So slow! |
| 21:47.00 | meyou | Rivetting tale, chap. |
| 21:47.06 | sweb | tremon: so the documentation need to be update |
| 21:47.17 | nate_h | does anyone know how to show all the package versions available in a apt repo? |
| 21:47.18 | klync | ksx4system: stuxnet decided to use #debian as it's c&c |
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| 21:47.22 | nate_h | like some aptitude command |
| 21:47.25 | tremon | sweb: if it's debian documentation, then yes |
| 21:47.29 | ksx4system | klync: rotfl :D |
| 21:47.39 | tremon | nate_h: ask judd? |
| 21:47.45 | jelly-home | sweb: there's the "This program doesn't exist in bind versions 8.2.1 and higher" bit, but yeah |
| 21:47.46 | sweb | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:47.56 | ksx4system | klync: they'll probably switch to #omgwtfwearesolame soon |
| 21:48.02 | nsadmin | that thing started yesterday... I got the impression they're testing something, like a new botnet |
| 21:48.06 | klync | heh.... please do |
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| 21:48.49 | jelly-home | sweb: we're all volunteers here. You can report a bug on the virtual "www.debian.org" package any time you find an issue with the Debian web page contents. |
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| 21:49.01 | nate_h | i guess the apt-cache madison command |
| 21:49.04 | nate_h | what a weird name for a command |
| 21:49.30 | cafuego | It's open source, you can rename it any way you like ;-) |
| 21:49.49 | nate_h | ah its trying to simulate the madison archive management tool |
| 21:49.54 | darkelfjuggalo | ok are my messages delivering to the chat? |
| 21:50.02 | jelly-home | darkelfjuggalo: maaybe |
| 21:50.02 | cafuego | darkelfjuggalo: definitely not |
| 21:50.07 | nate_h | cafuego, ya, then i'll just patch my version everytime they release a new version :P |
| 21:50.10 | squidly | Is there a way I can tell if mysqld was built with SSL enabled? |
| 21:50.20 | nsadmin | darkelfjuggalo, nope, couldn't hear anything you just said... |
| 21:50.23 | tremon | sweb: btw, the directory they are referring to is the zone cache which is in /var/cache/bind nowadays |
| 21:50.31 | klync | squidly: ldd? |
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| 21:50.34 | cafuego | nate_h: Nah, you just up the generation number on yours and you'll never get newer (inferior0 ones again! :-) |
| 21:50.44 | darkelfjuggalo | i've asked the same questioin a few times and when i do Channel serv pops up again |
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| 21:51.00 | abrotman | darkelfjuggalo: and you were asked questions |
| 21:51.19 | nate_h | cafuego, haha |
| 21:51.33 | darkelfjuggalo | i never received them on my end |
| 21:51.35 | grzesag | Hi I need help with openload, to run it in cron and save into file output. http://pastebin.com/yEmBKqPG |
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| 21:51.49 | abrotman | darkelfjuggalo: look harder |
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| 21:52.25 | ksx4system | well, I must ask again: any ideas how to fix issue with mute mpg123? |
| 21:52.25 | molavy | after 2 hour of search i can't find solution |
| 21:52.32 | ksx4system | I even managed to run it from non-root user |
| 21:52.34 | nsadmin | darkelfjuggalo, why not just ask the first question in brief summary form, then, stay aware this is a two (or multi) way conversation |
| 21:52.41 | ksx4system | all in all it doesn't actually play anything |
| 21:53.01 | ksx4system | volume is turned to maximum in alsamixer |
| 21:53.05 | ksx4system | everywhere |
| 21:53.18 | ksx4system | and still there's stupid silence... |
| 21:53.37 | jelly-home | ksx4system: and everything unmuted? (no MM thingies) |
| 21:53.48 | darkelfjuggalo | nsadmin, nothing loaded in the chat at all after i sent the question until after channel serv popped up again |
| 21:53.51 | jelly-home | !tell ksx4system about alsa checklist |
| 21:54.16 | darkelfjuggalo | the only thing i can assume is that pidgin keeps disconnecting |
| 21:54.25 | ksx4system | jelly-home: erm... alsamixer works from root only. from ordinary user account it throws up this "cannot open mixer: No such file or directory" |
| 21:54.59 | nsadmin | darkelfjuggalo, look at it as "I take 100% responsibility for BOTH SIDES of the conversation" and speak and listen from that place.... pidgin? I dunno much about pidgin... would you like to try a different irc client? |
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| 21:55.38 | nsadmin | but start now with what you want to know |
| 21:55.38 | jelly-home | ksx4system: huh. Add your user to the audio group (adduser username audio), log off and back on. |
| 21:55.41 | philipp | guys what was the command to see all running programs in the terminal? |
| 21:55.56 | darkelfjuggalo | now, I've having to install Debian Via a disc set for Etch 4.0r4, but the etch discs do not recognize my Ethernet port, and it failing to coppy from disc... |
| 21:55.57 | nsadmin | philipp, man ps, man top |
| 21:55.58 | philipp | guys what was the command to see all running processes in the terminal? |
| 21:56.04 | jelly-home | ksx4system: that's step (1)! |
| 21:56.05 | philipp | ps |
| 21:56.41 | nsadmin | darkelfjuggalo, what version would you like to end up with? |
| 21:57.26 | darkelfjuggalo | the other PCs i have keep corrupting discs when i attempt to burn them, i have no money to buy a flash drive, and I can't return it to WinXP at this point... |
| 21:58.12 | nsadmin | and is the machine you're running pidgin on the same machine as the one you want to install onto? |
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| 21:58.34 | nsadmin | darkelfjuggalo ^^ |
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| 21:58.56 | nsadmin | brb, another cupocoffee |
| 21:59.26 | ksx4system | jelly-home: ough. I didn't logout and login back after adding myself to audio group and the chans were muted |
| 21:59.37 | jelly-home | /o\ |
| 21:59.43 | ksx4system | mpg123 still doesn't work from non-root account :( |
| 21:59.58 | ksx4system | but it looks like it's ok when launched via sudo mpg123 |
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| 22:00.29 | cardamon | Question:: What's the best application for connecting to and configuring connections with multiple networks? |
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| 22:00.44 | darkelfjuggalo | hello? |
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| 22:01.20 | darkelfjuggalo | hello? |
| 22:01.30 | meyou | hi |
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| 22:01.32 | jelly-home | you're back online, darkelfjuggalo |
| 22:01.36 | tremon | darkelfjuggalo: you need to find a better client |
| 22:01.37 | nsadmin | darkelfjuggalo, and is the machine you're running pidgin on the same machine as the one you want to install onto? |
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| 22:01.52 | cardamon | nm-applet is polished, wicd is no longer developed, but it's lean and polished. I haven't played with network-manager without nm-applet though, and I never set up an interface. |
| 22:02.25 | darkelfjuggalo | no im not on the same machine...there is no OS on the manchine i want to install on |
| 22:03.19 | cardamon | doo doo |
| 22:03.52 | molavy | what this mean |
| 22:03.55 | molavy | Package xserver-xfree86 is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 22:03.59 | molavy | This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or |
| 22:03.59 | molavy | is only available from another source |
| 22:04.45 | cardamon | molavy: means there isn't a package with that name in that source. |
| 22:04.51 | philipp | okey guys i just searched the entire pc through and i found no signs of attacks... now i want that his pc saies on the next startup "hey buddy! i checked ur pc through and it seems ur fine! your sencerely philipp" |
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| 22:05.16 | molavy | i can't nor install tightvncserver,how can i do that |
| 22:05.18 | nsadmin | ok... darkelfjuggalo, can you burn a cd or borrow a usb stick (let them know you need to erase it, could they back it up first) |
| 22:05.45 | tremon | philipp: add a dummy entry to the grub menu and remove the automatic timeout |
| 22:05.59 | tremon | philipp: alternatively, get your buddy's phone number |
| 22:06.37 | gnarface | can anyone else confirm for me that root dns server A is currently down? |
| 22:06.58 | nsadmin | I can try |
| 22:06.59 | tremon | gnarface: nope, can't confirm that |
| 22:07.20 | gnarface | i have these two ip's for it: 198.41.0.4 2001:503:BA3E::2:30 (from squeeze's current /etc/bind/db.root file) |
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| 22:07.56 | tremon | the ipv4 address returns my pings |
| 22:08.12 | philipp | tremon, thx for the 2 least attractive solutions |
| 22:08.27 | tremon | your very welcome ;) |
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| 22:08.35 | tremon | s/your/you're/ |
| 22:08.41 | jelly-home | gnarface: WorksForMe™! dig net. @198.41.0.4 |
| 22:08.49 | philipp | my plan is set a bash script in autostart that causes espeak to run and removeing itself after that |
| 22:09.09 | gnarface | hmm. jelly-home weird it works for me too i just can't traceroute to it |
| 22:09.37 | gnarface | maybe it just got rebooted or something |
| 22:09.44 | jelly-home | gnarface: eh, you don't need to be able to. |
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| 22:10.20 | jelly-home | it might be an anycast setup anyway, with different locations providing the same IP |
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| 22:12.31 | nsadmin | looks like a.root-servers.net. is up |
| 22:12.35 | jelly-home | yeah, wikipedia says it is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anycast#Applications |
| 22:12.42 | jelly-home | must be true |
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| 22:13.58 | scwizard | is changing my computer's mailer just a matter of changing where the symlink at /usr/sbin/sendmail points? |
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| 22:14.44 | jelly-home | scwizard: in Debian, if you're using packaged mail-transfer-agents, only one can be installed at any time |
| 22:14.45 | vanadio | ciao |
| 22:15.12 | jelly-home | scwizard: thus /usr/sbin/sendmail is always a real file, not a symlink |
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| 22:15.14 | scwizard | jelly-home, if I want to install a custom MTA, how would I integrate it into my system? |
| 22:15.35 | scwizard | jelly-home, in squeeze that's simply not true, it's clearly a symlink |
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| 22:15.56 | scwizard | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 5 Feb 24 11:32 sendmail -> exim4 |
| 22:16.02 | jelly-home | scwizard: still, the symlink and the real binary are provided by a single package |
| 22:16.23 | scwizard | and if I want to install a custom MTA, how do I integrate it into the system? |
| 22:16.40 | scwizard | point the /usr/sbin/sendmail somewhere else? or are there other steps I need to be aware of? |
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| 22:17.09 | nsadmin | scwizard, when you say custom, what exactly do you mean? it could be that you can get debianized source of an existing mta then customize and install that package |
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| 22:17.28 | jelly-home | scwizard: use "equivs" to create a fake package providing mail-transfer-agent, install it instead of the current MTA, then put a symlink in place, or a real binary |
| 22:17.38 | scwizard | I mean I have a script that's wrapping some stuff and I want to use it as what my system will send mail with |
| 22:18.12 | jelly-home | scwizard: it depends. Will your script call a packaged MTA in the end? |
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| 22:18.23 | scwizard | it calls msmtp in the end |
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| 22:19.04 | nsadmin | what are some of the features of msmtp? what are features you're looking for? |
| 22:19.10 | jelly-home | scwizard: do the equivs thing, then. |
| 22:19.40 | scwizard | nsadmin, I want a null client, msmtp is a good null client according to the folks at #postfix |
| 22:19.42 | nsadmin | or, if you dare, make a package for msmpt :) |
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| 22:19.51 | jelly-home | scwizard: you'd use dpkg-divert if there was an actual package providing /usr/sbin/sendmail |
| 22:19.54 | scwizard | msmtp has a package, my script wrapping it does not |
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| 22:20.13 | cafuego | !info nullmailer |
| 22:20.28 | nsadmin | , info nullmailer |
| 22:20.29 | judd | Package nullmailer (mail, extra) in squeeze/i386: simple relay-only mail transport agent. Version: 1:1.04-1.2; Size: 89.1k; Installed: 388k; Homepage: http://untroubled.org/nullmailer/ |
| 22:20.43 | dpkg | nullmailer: (simple relay-only mail transport agent), section mail, is extra. Version: 1:1.05-1 (sid), Packaged size: 113 kB, Installed size: 424 kB |
| 22:20.54 | karlpinc | I'm having trouble with dblatex. I don't believe it's debian-specific. I'd like recommended channels for support for xslt and (!) latex/tex. Or I suppose you could tell me to ask here, if that's really appropriate. |
| 22:20.57 | nsadmin | , versions nullmailer |
| 22:20.58 | judd | Package: nullmailer on i386 -- lenny: 1:1.04-1.1; squeeze: 1:1.04-1.2; sid: 1:1.05-1; wheezy: 1:1.05-1 |
| 22:21.00 | scwizard | yeah nullmailer is a program that has features similar to msmtp, except msmtp has some features I want that nullmailer doesn't |
| 22:21.23 | cafuego | freatures kill puppier |
| 22:21.25 | scwizard | I think, regardless it's not about what null client I'm using, but how to get my wrapper called rather than a program |
| 22:21.36 | cafuego | personally, I symnlinked all binaries on by system to /bin/true |
| 22:21.37 | jelly-home | scwizard: you could install msmtp-mta and do the dpkg-divert thing |
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| 22:21.59 | scwizard | oh that makes sense |
| 22:22.25 | jelly-home | that way you can easily switch the real MTA later if you really want to |
| 22:22.32 | nsadmin | I'm appreciative that you're open to alternatives |
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| 22:23.02 | jelly-home | it's not uncommon to wrap /usr/sbin/sendmail |
| 22:23.28 | jelly-home | esp. on multiuser machines, or shared web hosting |
| 22:23.55 | jelly-home | tracking usage and abusage |
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| 22:34.24 | MrJK | Hi guys |
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| 22:34.48 | MrJK | I was wondering, is there a way to start X without startx ? |
| 22:35.07 | MrJK | Or at least some docs which explain the proper way ? |
| 22:35.20 | gnarface | MrJK: yes you can run a graphical login manager. it should be as easy as picking one and installing it |
| 22:36.03 | MrJK | Ha yes, I forgot, I don't have a full DE, I have a minimal install with slim and awesome. |
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| 22:36.26 | MrJK | But I would like to understand the process between when I'm logged in and the X starting |
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| 22:37.08 | MrJK | Actually, I'd like to drop the startx package to make my own scripts. But I can't find any documentation on this process |
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| 22:40.29 | infinity0 | how do i match a loop device that's sourced from a certain file X? |
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| 22:40.36 | infinity0 | er, in udev |
| 22:40.58 | Iridos | MrJK, you can just run "X"... but what's the point |
| 22:41.32 | Jayflux | Hey guys I've added PermitRootLogin no to my sshd_config file and root can still login |
| 22:41.36 | Jayflux | have i missed something? |
| 22:41.49 | gnarface | you missed reloading sshd |
| 22:41.52 | Iridos | infinity0, perhaps losetup -a ? |
| 22:41.57 | MrJK | Iridos: actually, can you explain me quickly the difference between xsession, startx for example? That is not so obvious, and theses script bring a lot of complexity |
| 22:42.01 | Jayflux | hmm how do i do that gnarface? |
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| 22:42.10 | Iridos | MrJK, no |
| 22:42.12 | MrJK | Jayflux: what does the log say ? |
| 22:42.12 | Iridos | :) |
| 22:42.14 | gnarface | Jayflux: /etc/init.d/ssh reload |
| 22:42.24 | MrJK | Iridos: haha, that's my point :) |
| 22:42.26 | infinity0 | Iridos: sorry, i don't understand, how do i use that from inside a udev config file |
| 22:42.55 | Iridos | infinity0, oh, I thought you wanted to find out after it's been automatically created |
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| 22:45.38 | tremon | infinity0: you can use udevadm info to examine a device node's properties |
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| 22:46.45 | Jayflux | gnarface thanks |
| 22:46.51 | ciccio | salve a tutti |
| 22:47.19 | ciccio | !list |
| 22:47.20 | dpkg | VATTENE VIA! |
| 22:47.56 | streuner_ | ciccio: va al inferno! |
| 22:47.57 | ciccio | !list |
| 22:47.57 | dpkg | ciccio: È possibile di scaricare un sacco di software libero puntando il tuo browser a http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-6.0.4-amd64-i386-netinst.iso ! |
| 22:48.25 | infinity0 | tremon: the information's not there |
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| 22:48.43 | ciccio | sono alle prime armi vorrei solo capire |
| 22:49.18 | ciccio | qlalcuno può spiegarmi grazie |
| 22:49.44 | streuner_ | ciccio: parlare inglese, per favore |
| 22:49.49 | streuner_ | grazie |
| 22:49.59 | ciccio | non lo conosco |
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| 22:54.12 | ciccio | come si fa per andare su un canale per registrare |
| 22:54.56 | streuner_ | !it |
| 22:54.57 | dpkg | Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help. |
| 22:55.21 | sami | hi please |
| 22:55.41 | ciccio | grazie |
| 22:55.49 | Iridos | gives sami a hi |
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| 22:56.21 | sami | when i start i computer it hac no ip address i always have to run dhclient eth0 |
| 22:56.31 | sami | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:57.16 | sami | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:57.29 | streuner_ | sami, using a router, by any chance? |
| 22:57.40 | streuner_ | sami, do you use mac filtering? |
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| 22:57.50 | sami | no |
| 22:57.59 | sami | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:58.08 | sami | no mac filtering |
| 22:58.27 | streuner_ | so, tell us please, how do you connect to internet at all |
| 22:59.41 | adb | add "auto eth0" in /etc/network/interfaces , or verrify |
| 23:00.33 | sami | init proccess can't get an ip address from the network |
| 23:01.04 | sami | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:01.12 | sami | *to run |
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| 23:02.02 | streuner_ | sami: just answer our questions, otherwise we arent able to help. |
| 23:02.57 | streuner_ | sami: AGAIN, HOW are you connected to internet? |
| 23:02.59 | sami | only the Lo interface is listed in etc/interfaces |
| 23:03.25 | sami | it from distributed connexion |
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| 23:04.15 | sami | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:06.27 | sami | streuner_: this is my interface file http://pastebin.com/ScAVtRDe |
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| 23:07.09 | streuner_ | well, you didnt answer our question at all |
| 23:07.33 | streuner_ | !tell sami about interfaces |
| 23:08.08 | streuner_ | sami, are you a bot? |
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| 23:08.29 | sami | bot? |
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| 23:08.48 | streuner_ | !bot |
| 23:08.48 | dpkg | I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse). |
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| 23:09.00 | streuner_ | hehe |
| 23:09.32 | sami | lool |
| 23:09.32 | streuner_ | sami, a bot is some program which auto answer questions |
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| 23:09.32 | sami | no |
| 23:09.32 | abrotman | sami: which version of Linux is this? |
| 23:09.45 | sami | debian 6 |
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| 23:10.25 | abrotman | sami: do you have any "auto" lines in /etc/network/interfaces ? |
| 23:10.31 | abrotman | or allow-hotplug lines |
| 23:10.49 | streuner_ | <sami> streuner_: this is my interface file http://pastebin.com/ScAVtRDe |
| 23:11.03 | sami | yes |
| 23:11.04 | sami | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:11.09 | sami | auto lo |
| 23:11.27 | abrotman | sami: where is your 'auto eth0' line ? |
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| 23:11.39 | abrotman | do you also have a 'iface eth0 inet dhcp' line ? |
| 23:12.00 | sami | the is not |
| 23:12.03 | streuner_ | sami, do you live in US? |
| 23:12.12 | sami | no France |
| 23:12.13 | abrotman | streuner_: why does that matter? |
| 23:12.23 | sami | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:12.24 | streuner_ | abrotman: because of RR |
| 23:12.33 | sami | no |
| 23:12.37 | abrotman | decides streuner_ is being silly again |
| 23:12.54 | sami | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:13.04 | abrotman | sami: you should have two lines in your interfaces file ... "iface eth0 inet dhcp" and "allow-hotplug eth0" |
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| 23:13.22 | abrotman | sami: it will have other lines, but you need at least those lines |
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| 23:14.14 | streuner_ | but, again, the question HOW he is connected to internet is importent |
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| 23:14.26 | streuner_ | IMO |
| 23:14.30 | civillian | streuner_: he said dhclient eth0 fixes the issue, so perhaps not |
| 23:14.37 | streuner_ | hm |
| 23:14.41 | abrotman | streuner_: what the hell does it matter? |
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| 23:15.11 | abrotman | he said how he gets an IP .. if his interfaces file is misconfigured, and he knows the command, shouldn't the fix be simple ? |
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| 23:16.03 | streuner_ | no router, how should be able to connect to internet at all? |
| 23:16.09 | streuner_ | he* |
| 23:16.25 | streuner_ | via DHCP |
| 23:16.50 | Iridos | well, he does |
| 23:16.57 | sami | i have a router that i don't manage |
| 23:17.04 | abrotman | streuner_: when you sit at your office desk, do you have a router at your desk ? this isn't hard to grasp .. lay off the jack |
| 23:17.09 | streuner_ | you said, you dont use a router |
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| 23:17.41 | sami | sorry i was meaning i don't manage |
| 23:17.43 | Iridos | this is getting a bit philosophical... everyone on the internet uses routers... |
| 23:18.31 | sami | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:18.57 | civillian | sami: try the suggestion from abrotman, come back if you still have issues |
| 23:19.26 | sami | streuner_streuner_ if i add the two lines in restart my computer i'm supposed to have no other problem? |
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| 23:19.48 | streuner_ | sami, listen what civillian told you |
| 23:19.58 | sami | ok thanks |
| 23:20.00 | Iridos | gnight |
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| 23:21.54 | sami | thanks i restart my computer |
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| 23:33.40 | kurkale6ka | hi, do I need both id_rsa and id_rsa.pub to be present in my .ssh dir if I want to ssh to a machine where I already have my public key. I thought in that case the presence of id_rsa alone would be enough |
| 23:34.22 | dondelelcaro | kurkale6ka: I can't remember, but there's no reason not to have the public key there |
| 23:34.43 | robokop | kurkale6ka: only the private key would be enough, do you have the public key added to the authorized_keys file or just there? |
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| 23:35.24 | kurkale6ka | my pub key is in the authorised file on the remote machine but not here robokop |
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| 23:36.45 | dondelelcaro | kurkale6ka: well, you can easily generate it using ssh-keygen -y, but it's probably not needed |
| 23:36.50 | sami | thanks to you my issue is solved |
| 23:37.05 | kurkale6ka | dondelelcaro: hmm thx |
| 23:37.13 | streuner_ | sami, well done, you're welcome. |
| 23:37.27 | dondelelcaro | kurkale6ka: ala ssh-keygen -y -f id_rsa > id_rsa.pub; or similar |
| 23:37.44 | robokop | can you confirm that you try to do pub_key authentication |
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| 23:38.15 | streuner_ | sami, but, please tell us every single detail in future, its easier for us to help you then. |
| 23:38.31 | sami | ok |
| 23:38.36 | sami | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:38.38 | kurkale6ka | robokop: yes |
| 23:38.39 | karlpinc | kurkale6ka: ssh -v is helpful, as is looking at the logs on the remote side (if necessary crank up the logging verbosity). |
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| 23:40.32 | kurkale6ka | karlpinc: thx |
| 23:41.30 | kurkale6ka | in fact now I have 2 private keys and I think it uses the incorrect one even if I ssh -i key_file |
| 23:43.06 | kevlarman | kurkale6ka: are you using ssh-agent? |
| 23:43.17 | kurkale6ka | kevlarman: yes |
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| 23:43.52 | kevlarman | it has a very irritating quirk where if you tell it to use a specific key that isn't cached, and the other end will accept another key that is, it offers the cached key |
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| 23:44.12 | abrotman | sami: good job, thanks for sharing your information :) |
| 23:44.12 | kevlarman | workaround is to manually ssh-add the proper key |
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| 23:44.37 | kurkale6ka | kevlarman: I have manually ssh-add the good one |
| 23:44.39 | sami | abrotman it's normal |
| 23:44.43 | dondelelcaro | kevlarman: yes, that's a known limitation. Alternatively, you can use ssh with SSH_AUTH_SOCK=/dev/null ssh -i fookey foohost; |
| 23:44.47 | scwizard | so dpkg-divert hmm |
| 23:44.53 | kevlarman | kurkale6ka: and it's still offering the wrong one? O_o |
| 23:45.01 | kurkale6ka | debug3: Could not load "/home/.../.ssh/id_rsa" as a RSA1 public key |
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| 23:45.24 | kurkale6ka | and my private key added with ssh-add is not this one |
| 23:45.49 | kevlarman | kurkale6ka: did you check the permissions on the private key? |
| 23:46.05 | kevlarman | (containing folder has to be 700, key has to be 600) |
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| 23:47.28 | kurkale6ka | kevlarman: yes it is the case |
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| 23:51.41 | scwizard | it's not kosher, but I really can just change the /usr/sbin/sendmail symlink to point to my wrapper, and programs that send mail will call my wrapper instead |
| 23:52.08 | abrotman | scwizard: did you inspect using update-alternatives? |
| 23:53.18 | scwizard | oh ok that's how to do it |
| 23:53.28 | scwizard | I thought it wasn't using altenratives because it wasn't int hte /etc/altneratives folder |
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| 23:56.26 | scwizard | abrotman, is there any way to list all the things under the alternatives system? |
| 23:56.39 | scwizard | cause I'm not so sure the mta is under it |
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| 23:57.13 | streuner_ | if you dont know, its prolly exim what you using |
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| 23:58.06 | streuner_ | dpkg -l exim* |
| 23:58.07 | dpkg | No packages found matching exim* |
| 23:58.10 | streuner_ | hm |
| 23:58.13 | abrotman | scwizard: update-alternatives --list IIRC .. man update-alternatives |
| 23:58.26 | scwizard | streuner_, I'm using msmtp-mta |
| 23:58.46 | scwizard | abrotman, I did update-alternatives --all and I see no mention of exim or msmtp |
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