| 00:00.19 | streuner_ | great :-/ |
| 00:00.25 | abrotman | scwizard: ls -l /usr/sbin/sendmail |
| 00:00.35 | nsadmin | Hi. I'm working with wireless and getting it working driverwise and having it work in the various UIs, right now wicd. Running my debian install right now, I see a wlan0 which I thought was as a result of the driver that didn't work so well as the driver that gave me eth1 instead. in my ubuntu install, it seems to have all that stuff figured out for me, and I would like to replicate that in the debian install as well... where to go from here? |
| 00:00.40 | abrotman | sorry, mail is managed by alternatives, sendmail is not AFAICT |
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| 00:00.53 | scwizard | yeah |
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| 00:01.31 | scwizard | it's similar though, based on what mta you install, /usr/sbin/sendmail will point to a different program |
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| 00:01.51 | scwizard | maybe in the future it should be integrated into alternatives? |
| 00:02.24 | nsadmin | alternatives doesn't necessarily make sense as only one mta can be installed at a tim |
| 00:02.59 | scwizard | nsadmin, why? |
| 00:03.06 | abrotman | scwizard: you want your script to replace mail or sendmail ? |
| 00:03.11 | scwizard | sendmail |
| 00:03.36 | scwizard | nsadmin, is it because it's a daemon? |
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| 00:03.45 | scwizard | (generally speaking) |
| 00:03.56 | nsadmin | mtas will fight over port 25 |
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| 00:04.14 | nsadmin | installing a packaged mta will cause it to start |
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| 00:05.08 | nsadmin | anyway. still trying to work with my wireless atm |
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| 00:05.40 | streuner_ | nsadmin: sounds like a headache :-/ |
| 00:05.49 | streuner_ | after a few days |
| 00:06.21 | streuner_ | nsadmin: sounds strange to me |
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| 00:11.31 | nsadmin | streuner_, well not particularly... there's no frustrated component since my wired works |
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| 00:12.00 | nsadmin | I'm also not in any particular hurry |
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| 00:13.11 | nsadmin | what I am wanting, is when I take my laptop out, things work and I have at least a cursory understanding of what's going on |
| 00:14.05 | nsadmin | I'm otherwise a bit shy when it comes to taking the laptop out |
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| 00:15.36 | nsadmin | streuner_, so what's the next step? do you need more info? |
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| 00:16.48 | steampunkey | what's the way to choose between two versions of the same pkg installed? |
| 00:17.17 | steampunkey | dpkg <smth> <dummy_package_name>? |
| 00:17.18 | dpkg | bugger all, i dunno, steampunkey |
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| 00:18.13 | nsadmin | it's about 75% likely that other versions of the same package are not appropriate for your version of debian, which for example has a particular version of libc installed |
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| 00:18.59 | nsadmin | how do you define "choose between" |
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| 00:21.43 | steampunkey | nsadmin: thanks for the willingness to help. if you don't mint, i'll try to remove the older version of ruby first. |
| 00:22.41 | nsadmin | oh, ruby? |
| 00:22.47 | nsadmin | so, let's see: |
| 00:22.53 | nsadmin | , versions ruby |
| 00:22.53 | judd | Package: ruby on i386 -- lenny: 4.2; squeeze: 4.5; sid: 4.8; wheezy: 4.8 |
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| 00:23.14 | abrotman | that's a metapackage |
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| 00:23.30 | abrotman | judd: versions ruby1.8 |
| 00:23.31 | judd | Package: ruby1.8 on i386 -- lenny: 1.8.7.72-3lenny1; lenny-security: 1.8.7.72-3lenny1; lenny-backports: 1.8.7.302-2~bpo50+1; squeeze: 1.8.7.302-2squeeze1; sid: 1.8.7.352-2; wheezy: 1.8.7.352-2 |
| 00:23.31 | nsadmin | that's what I thought, the versions don't make sense to me... |
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| 00:24.10 | abrotman | and there's 1.9 in some versions of Debian |
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| 00:24.16 | nsadmin | what version of ruby are you interested in? |
| 00:24.29 | steampunkey | abrotman: what does the meta package's version mean? |
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| 00:24.43 | steampunkey | nsadmin: solved my problem by removing 1.8 |
| 00:24.56 | nsadmin | last time I checked #ruby, the 1.9 gems weren't ready |
| 00:25.25 | nsadmin | let's see what they say now |
| 00:25.31 | steampunkey | nsadmin: hmm. the course i'm taking explicitly requires both ruby1.9 and some gems. am i missing something? |
| 00:25.49 | nsadmin | also, steampunkey, what version are you interested in? |
| 00:25.59 | steampunkey | 1.9 |
| 00:26.05 | nsadmin | ok |
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| 00:27.41 | nsadmin | also are you building your own ruby from sources or installing from a package? |
| 00:27.51 | steampunkey | package. |
| 00:28.18 | steampunkey | you nice people ensure it fits, so i use it ;-) |
| 00:28.21 | nsadmin | and you want the gems functionality as well? |
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| 00:28.49 | steampunkey | nsadmin: i already installed ruby1.9.1 and rubygems1.9.1 |
| 00:29.00 | gnarface | anyone know if there's a way to get bind to LISTEN for queries on an ipv6 address but NOT try to use ipv6 to consult root servers ? |
| 00:29.40 | nsadmin | well, so far I've not been able to make a ruby+rubygems work that I didn't build myself... maybe the debian packaging maint fixed that |
| 00:29.56 | nsadmin | can you install a gem and does it work properly? |
| 00:29.57 | steampunkey | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:30.05 | steampunkey | nsadmin: will check |
| 00:30.30 | gnarface | as far as i can tell, whoever creates the ruby packages for debian has a great amount of distaste for debian (and probably linux in general) |
| 00:31.10 | nsadmin | heh, how is it he's motivated to be a maint? sounds antisocial to me |
| 00:31.27 | steampunkey | nsadmin: i'm a guy, btw. just in case primal forces are making you that unwi[lt]?ingly helpful. |
| 00:31.42 | gnarface | nsadmin: maybe he's doing it under duress? |
| 00:32.55 | nsadmin | steampunkey, not sure what you're getting at... what has you thinking I'm unwilling to do something? (btw I am under a bit of time pressure atm) |
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| 00:33.09 | steampunkey | hmm i seem to be missing a /user/bin/rake symlink. there's rake1.9.1 in there, though. |
| 00:33.31 | nsadmin | maybe you have /usr/bin/rake |
| 00:33.43 | nsadmin | rather than /user/bin/rake |
| 00:33.56 | nsadmin | , versions rake |
| 00:33.57 | judd | Package: rake on i386 -- lenny: 0.8.1-3; lenny-backports: 0.8.7-1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 0.8.7-2; sid: 0.9.2.2-2; wheezy: 0.9.2.2-2 |
| 00:34.00 | steampunkey | nsadmin: i was not being sarcastic. yesterday ppl assumed i'm the opposite sex because of the .*ey |
| 00:34.25 | nsadmin | oh, no, I didn't make an assumption like that |
| 00:34.42 | steampunkey | cool |
| 00:34.57 | steampunkey | then I guess you're just a good guy greg |
| 00:35.26 | nsadmin | that has been known to happen on occasion :) |
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| 00:36.43 | steampunkey | nsadmin: http://memegenerator.net/instance/15816011 |
| 00:36.52 | steampunkey | made it just for you XD |
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| 00:37.35 | steampunkey | nsadmin: rake breaks though, let me see if there's anything i can do first... |
| 00:37.40 | cardamon | I think my wireless woes were largely due to Squeeze's current kernel and it's implmentation of ath5k |
| 00:38.11 | cardamon | Moving to wheezy, while not ideal, seems to have fixed a lot of things. Ooh, and wicd-curses has an rfkill button now. |
| 00:39.22 | jhutchins_lt | ,kernels |
| 00:39.23 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.3.0-rc6-686-pae (3.3~rc6-1~experimental.1); sid: 3.2.0-2-686-pae (3.2.9-1); wheezy: 3.2.0-1-686-pae (3.2.6-1); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.1-686-pae (3.2.4-1~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-41); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-35~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-27) |
| 00:39.57 | jhutchins_lt | cardamon: Which particular kernel? Did you try the backport? |
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| 00:40.09 | nsadmin | steampunkey, is there something about ruby that you want integrated with debian? OR is your usage of ruby able to exist on its own? |
| 00:40.37 | jhutchins_lt | cardamon: network-manager has worked better for more people than wicd since close to the squeeze relase. |
| 00:40.53 | cardamon | jhutchins_lt: I didn't. Wheezy seemed easier. And I was having trouble no matter which one I used. |
| 00:40.56 | steampunkey | nsadmin: i'm only learning ruby. i have no outstanding needs which would improve the ruby stack on Debian. |
| 00:41.04 | cardamon | I couldn't even connect to the network I'm on right now. |
| 00:41.22 | cardamon | But I could connect to my home wireless. |
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| 00:42.10 | nsadmin | steampunkey, ok. then, if you want to, you can try building ruby, rubygems and rake from source "directly"... for ease of uninstallation, you could try setting prefix to something like /usr/local/ruby |
| 00:42.22 | nsadmin | and later uninstall by removing that dir |
| 00:42.37 | steampunkey | nsadmin: but.. i don't want that? |
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| 00:42.48 | allure | Why isn't gparted detecting my usb thumb so I can repartition it? |
| 00:42.58 | nsadmin | well if it turns out rake doesn't break |
| 00:43.39 | cardamon | allure: Try Refresh. |
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| 00:46.00 | allure | cardamon: yup... no cookie |
| 00:46.21 | cardamon | I went the Gnomeless route this time. Got xorg-server-video-intel, and a WM. Do I need anything else, like xorg-server-video-evdev for the touchpad and keyboard? |
| 00:46.39 | cardamon | allure: Try fdisk then. |
| 00:46.48 | allure | cardamon: no cookie too =) |
| 00:47.37 | themill | allure: please decide if this is a debian box or an ubuntu box and only ask in the correct channel. |
| 00:47.45 | cardamon | If you don't see it with fdisk -l then either you're doing something wrong or something's physically wrong. I know which one I'd bet money on. |
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| 00:48.37 | quidnunc | Anyone know how cabal-debian works? |
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| 00:48.58 | nsadmin | steampunkey, it's just that the debian ruby packages have not yet earned my trust, at least not fully as I compare functionality of the packages versus my builds and always find my builds working completely, and always finding something wrong with the packages... the ruby works, but something about installing gems or rake or something not working |
| 00:49.09 | abrotman | quidnunc: is it a package? |
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| 00:50.08 | quidnunc | abrotman: A command |
| 00:50.18 | cardamon | >_> |
| 00:50.44 | quidnunc | haskell-debian-utils is the package |
| 00:50.47 | steampunkey | nsadmin: well, my fallback is source, we'll see |
| 00:50.53 | cardamon | I googled it. Looks like YANSHP. |
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| 00:51.37 | Ojol | (##linux was sleepy so ive come to my fave distro's channel) hi, am curious, is the file structure and general workings(unhelpful) of a typical gnu/linux system the way it is because of the GNU userland or the linux kernel and whichever it is is it that way because of that one's POSIX complicancy? (same question: what makes all these distros similar and compatible?) |
| 00:52.04 | nsadmin | and when I compare the amount of time I would spend evaluating what's wrong with the packages versus just building and having it innediately work, I spend a lot less time in the latter situation (note, this is not typical, debian as a whole mostly works) |
| 00:52.48 | quidnunc | YANSHP? |
| 00:52.49 | daemonkeeper | Ojol: POSIX compliance is not related at all for the file system and its userland. |
| 00:52.57 | kevlarman | Ojol: it actually differs quite a bit from disto to distro |
| 00:52.59 | quidnunc | yet another shitty haskell package? |
| 00:53.04 | nsadmin | Ojol, attention to detail |
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| 00:53.28 | kevlarman | Ojol: but what you're thinking of is the fhs |
| 00:53.39 | Ojol | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:53.43 | daemonkeeper | No. |
| 00:53.49 | kevlarman | Ojol: nope |
| 00:53.58 | Ojol | lol, is my noob showing? |
| 00:54.21 | kevlarman | Ojol: graphics driver installers don't work on arch because X11's folders moved |
| 00:55.01 | daemonkeeper | Linux distributions are substantially different. There are things like LSB and FHS which try to consolidate some principles but beyond that there isn't much in common aside of the kernel and the GNU user land. |
| 00:55.14 | kevlarman | debian ubuntu and fedora are moving /usr/lib/ to a different place |
| 00:55.33 | daemonkeeper | Ubuntu and Debian do the same. |
| 00:55.48 | kevlarman | daemonkeeper: to a different place than was used before i mean |
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| 00:56.00 | Ojol | would .deb's work the same on debian gnu/linux and one debian gnu/hurd? |
| 00:56.06 | abrotman | daemonkeeper: most of the time .. not always |
| 00:56.18 | daemonkeeper | Ojol: ehrm, that can't ever work. |
| 00:56.36 | Ojol | thought not |
| 00:56.38 | daemonkeeper | abrotman: They do. The only difference is a library by itself and the fact Ubuntu uses multiarch already. |
| 00:56.40 | abrotman | quidnunc: and it does not have documentation ? |
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| 00:57.49 | kevlarman | Ojol: anyway, the reason everything magically just works is packagers making sure it does |
| 00:58.20 | dontworry | Hello, I was attempting to install an Nvidia driver for my system running crunchbang and it told me I was using noveau and asked me if it could try to use a script to configure my system so it could install the driver, I hit yes but the install failed because of my kernel version. I then restarted and now my resolution is all messed up. It says it is as high as can be but before running the setup, it was much higher. Any way to fix |
| 00:58.21 | dontworry | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:58.47 | Ojol | I just mean are .deb's/binaries dependant on the kernel at that point or the GNU userland (if compiled by GNU GCC) |
| 00:58.53 | abrotman | dontworry: this is #debian, you want #crunchbang or #crunchbang-linux, whatever it is .. We do not support Crunchbang here |
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| 00:59.58 | daemonkeeper | Ojol: GCC can compile Windows binaries as well. Now, how would they run on Linux? Running on the same arch is one thing, but ABIs, calling conventions and such differ widely among platforms. |
| 01:00.40 | dontworry | abrotman: Sorry, I thought since crunchbang was debian based this channel would be able to help. I tried in the crunchbang channel but no one was able to help me with this problem. |
| 01:01.01 | daemonkeeper | dontworry: /msg dpkg based on debian -- if you want the answer for that |
| 01:01.14 | Ojol | daemonkeeper: I'll take that as kernel |
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| 01:02.20 | daemonkeeper | Ojol: Kernels aren't pluggable. You can't just replace a kernel and hope things still work. The whole libc needs a port at least. |
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| 01:02.55 | dontworry | daemonkeeper: Ah alright, sorry |
| 01:02.58 | Ojol | Was watching some Stallman on youtube, heweird, but made me think about how he calls it a GNU system since (as he puts it) Linux is just a small but important component. Wanted to gauge how necassary linux was in OSes like debian, especially since debian has a hurd kernel version |
| 01:03.25 | daemonkeeper | Ojol: That's pretty clear he thinks. |
| 01:03.29 | daemonkeeper | +what |
| 01:03.36 | daemonkeeper | Ojol: It does not make it more right though. |
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| 01:04.01 | daemonkeeper | Ojol: Note, Debian's Hurd port is highly experimental. The kFreeBSD port is much more advanced. |
| 01:04.11 | dvs | Ojol: When he manages to finish Hurd, then we can talk. |
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| 01:04.28 | abrotman | dontworry: you can also try ##linux if #crunchbang is not helpful .. alternately, install Debian if you want support here |
| 01:05.35 | dontworry | abrotman: Alright, thanks for the help |
| 01:05.38 | daemonkeeper | Ojol: Note, much software is API compatible, i.e. you can recompile it under a native environment and it will run. This does not hold for ABIs. Thus, you can't just unpack a Linux binary on Hurd and vice versa. |
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| 01:09.08 | Ojol | ok thanks, I think my question was just over-simplified and didn't take into account the tonnes of APIs that programs are built on, the Linux kernel is replaceable but at the cost of making all the programs that our programs are built on compatible with the other kernel (pleasedonthitme:D) |
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| 01:14.57 | ilikenwf | so...just upgraded my experimental machine |
| 01:15.04 | Ojol | Also how can I move a debian install? like from a vm to a physical hdd. Gentooers said once copy and pasting would be most of it and 'some things' would need changing |
| 01:15.12 | ilikenwf | new kernel...update-initramfs says it can't find lvm2 |
| 01:15.19 | ilikenwf | and some others |
| 01:15.21 | ilikenwf | makes me a little nervous |
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| 01:17.57 | somiaj | Ojol: you can just rsync -a/cp -a the root file system (and any other major mount points) and then reintall grub to get it to boot |
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| 01:18.17 | somiaj | Ojol: you should do this from a live system or not running off the linux system you want to copy |
| 01:19.30 | Ojol | how do I install grub? |
| 01:20.24 | somiaj | Ojol: mount --bind /dev and /proc into your target install, chroot into it and you can basically do it right from there with grub-install /dev/sd? |
| 01:20.30 | somiaj | where sd? is the boot device |
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| 01:22.50 | Ojol | somiaj: oh yea thanks |
| 01:23.35 | cardamon | Alternatives to gdm3? just xdm, slim or manual with startx? |
| 01:23.53 | cardamon | I noticed that install gdm3 wanted 273 packages. |
| 01:24.02 | somiaj | !nodm |
| 01:24.03 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the DM package(s) with "aptitude remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm gdm3 pdm slim". "echo false >/etc/X11/default-display-manager" will also disable the DM, or just hit ctrl-alt-fN to get to a console. nodm is the name of a minimal/automatic display manager (http://www.enricozini.org/sw/nodm/). |
| 01:24.19 | somiaj | cardamon: actually wrong factoid, but that lists them all, xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm gdm3 pdm slim |
| 01:24.45 | somiaj | I use to use wdm a lot before slim. xdm is nice and simple too |
| 01:25.40 | cardamon | I -had- gdm3 going, with xmonad.desktop pointing at a startup script I wrote rather than xmonad's binary. |
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| 01:27.59 | somiaj | why did you write a speical desktop file? |
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| 01:30.30 | cardamon | somiaj: Because I don't know Haskell yet. |
| 01:30.58 | somiaj | guess I don't follow that logic |
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| 01:33.44 | cardamon | somiaj: I could not, for the life of me, figure out how to get gdm3 to do things like autorun programs without running some kind of session manager. I could have written a custom Xsession, but at the time I had multiple WMs and they're not great...plus you select the Xsession, not the WM. That would be like driving whichever car was in your parking place to work instead of the discrete car itself. |
| 01:34.17 | somiaj | cardamon: the default session uses ~/.xsession you can write a series of commands that get run |
| 01:34.23 | boudiccas | cardamon; didnt gnome-control-center work then? |
| 01:34.41 | somiaj | cardamon: though I don't know xmonad but it may also have ways to configure default programs without a session manager. |
| 01:35.01 | cardamon | somiaj: It can. If you can tell it how to in Haskell. |
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| 01:35.34 | somiaj | ahh, and hence the haskell comment. Didn't realize that, never really used xmonad. |
| 01:36.12 | cardamon | >_< It's a wonderful and efficient tiler. But everything's in Haskel. I feel like the Americans in U-571 |
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| 01:36.35 | cardamon | It may as well all be in German. |
| 01:36.38 | somiaj | well google suggest you use ~/.xinitrc |
| 01:36.48 | somiaj | which in debian would be ~/.xsession |
| 01:37.01 | boudiccas | cardamon; did my question fall on deaf ears? |
| 01:37.06 | cardamon | I couldn't get gdm3 to notice the xsession anyway. |
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| 01:37.19 | cardamon | boudiccas: Busy. Not deaf. |
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| 01:37.47 | cardamon | And I don't know which app that is...I didn't want any kind of integration. |
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| 01:37.53 | somiaj | cardamon: can't you choose which session gdm launches into, 'default' I thought used the users ~/.xsession file. Though tis been a while since I've used anything gnome. |
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| 01:38.16 | cardamon | It's moot now. Fresh install, no Gnome. |
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| 01:38.53 | cardamon | Which is why I cringed when I went to grab gdm3 and it wanted to pull down 300 packages. |
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| 01:40.35 | somiaj | I'd suggest slim I really like how it looks, but if you want a more retro look xdm or wdm |
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| 01:41.43 | Apodon | hola |
| 01:41.55 | Apodon | alguien sabe un poco de c#? |
| 01:42.28 | somiaj | !debian-es |
| 01:42.30 | dpkg | Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat. |
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| 02:21.19 | nodiscc | cardamon: `acpi` |
| 02:21.41 | gnarface | recently i started having a problem with audacious (audacious2?) on sid; when using the now-optional retro xmms interface, i can no longer manually drag the title text back and forth in the currently playing song info panel |
| 02:21.59 | gnarface | granted, there is an option to have it pan back and forth automatically, but its slow and i'm impatient |
| 02:22.18 | gnarface | can anyone confirm or refute this or state a workaround? |
| 02:22.53 | abrotman | make it wider so it doesn't habve to scroll ? |
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| 02:24.01 | gnarface | abrotman: not an option with the xmms interface. if you were familiar with it you'd know its primary characteristic (other than being a non-resizeable window, and probably in fact because of this) is that it is compatible with old winamp skins |
| 02:24.17 | gnarface | they don't stretch |
| 02:24.28 | abrotman | i use audacious .. but i don't mess with it much |
| 02:24.46 | gnarface | abrotman: of course i could just use the now-default gtk2 interface, but its so dog fucking ugly it makes my eyes bleed |
| 02:25.39 | gnarface | it also, once you stretch it out wide enough to show the whole groove salad mp3 stream title (somafm.com) takes up a shit ton of screen real-estate |
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| 02:26.14 | abrotman | gnarface: i can drag the title on audacious here |
| 02:26.17 | abrotman | judd: versions audacious |
| 02:26.18 | judd | Package: audacious on i386 -- lenny: 1.5.1-4; squeeze: 2.3-2; squeeze-backports: 2.4.4-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 2.4.4-1; sid: 3.2.1-2 |
| 02:26.25 | abrotman | oh, big difference |
| 02:26.29 | gnarface | abrotman: you're on squeeze? |
| 02:26.42 | abrotman | wheezy |
| 02:27.10 | gnarface | abrotman: it was working for me on sid most of this year so far and all of last year, i believe. it was a recent update that broke it but i'm not sure exactly hwich |
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| 02:28.13 | gnarface | abrotman: i remember at one point it only worked if you used the default font for some reason - switching to a TTF font would break dragging too (i think. maybe i dreamed this) |
| 02:28.20 | gnarface | abrotman: are you using the default font? |
| 02:28.41 | gnarface | abrotman: another thing that happened to me is the default font seems to have gone missing (when i use it, the title disappears entirely) |
| 02:28.47 | abrotman | gnarface: yes, default most everything |
| 02:29.12 | gnarface | i'll just assume for now its cause this is the development version |
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| 02:35.50 | skilz | Can Debian read my HFS+ external USB drive? |
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| 02:36.14 | gnarface | skilz: yes, with the right packages |
| 02:36.24 | abrotman | skilz: IIRC, readonly ? |
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| 02:37.58 | gnarface | did this once in 2006... recalled having write support too |
| 02:38.15 | engla | if you disable the journal |
| 02:38.21 | gnarface | ah yea maybe that was it |
| 02:38.30 | skilz | How do I do it? |
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| 02:38.53 | gnarface | one would think the bot knows |
| 02:38.56 | gnarface | dpkg, hfs? |
| 02:38.57 | dpkg | The Hierarchial File System (HFS, aka Mac OS Standard) is the default filesystem on Mac OS prior to Mac OS X. <MBR> partition ID: 0xAF. The Linux hfs filesystem driver can read/write HFS filesystems, tools are in the hfsutils package. <parted> can resize HFS (shrink only) provided the start of the partition stays fixed. See also <hfsplus>. |
| 02:39.08 | gnarface | dpkg, hfsplus? |
| 02:39.09 | dpkg | HFS Plus / HFS+ (aka Mac OS Extended) is a filesystem used in modern Macintosh systems, replacing <HFS>. <MBR> partition ID: 0xAF. Supports smaller block sizes and UNIX-like features such as symlinks and device stubs. The Linux hfsplus filesystem driver can read/write HFS+ filesystems, tools are in the hfsprogs (mkfs.hfsplus) and hfsplus packages. <parted> can resize HFS+ (shrink only) provided the start of the partition stays fixed. |
| 02:39.11 | engla | it doesn't sound like a good idea to write to hfsplus from linux |
| 02:39.34 | skilz | Why? |
| 02:39.46 | gnarface | skilz: it makes the baby jesus cry |
| 02:40.06 | skilz | Oh wow |
| 02:40.14 | skilz | It works automagically |
| 02:40.28 | skilz | I just plugged it in an bam kazam |
| 02:40.46 | gnarface | you must have had the hfsprogs packages installed already |
| 02:40.47 | gnarface | hooraay |
| 02:40.57 | skilz | Oh hang on |
| 02:41.09 | gnarface | just lost all your data trying to copy a file? |
| 02:41.10 | skilz | I get Permission denied when I try to open my Mp3 folder |
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| 02:41.19 | gnarface | hmm. as root? |
| 02:41.26 | skilz | no |
| 02:41.51 | gnarface | check permissions of course - if its from some other system (especially a mac) the uid's won't match |
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| 02:42.04 | skilz | ah yeah |
| 02:42.19 | skilz | So what's the best way to fix that |
| 02:42.24 | gnarface | also case sensetivity is utterly weird if i recall - its like, case storing but case folding on lookups or something |
| 02:42.27 | somiaj | skilz: what is the file system of this folder? |
| 02:42.35 | gnarface | skilz: chmod changes permissions |
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| 02:42.48 | gnarface | skilz: chown changes ownership |
| 02:42.49 | somiaj | gnarface: won't work if it was say vfat, ntfs, etc |
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| 02:43.24 | gnarface | somiaj: yea of course but if it was vfat he shouldn't be having problems reading anything. i was operating under the assumption that he was correct about it being hfs+ ... granted that may have been naive of me |
| 02:43.45 | somiaj | man mount -- hfs has a 'uid' and 'gid' option you can set when you mount the filesystem to give ownership to a paticular user |
| 02:44.39 | abrotman | and hfsplus ? |
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| 02:44.46 | skilz | I don't want to go changing permissions while its connected to linux it will be bad when I plug it back into mac? |
| 02:44.55 | abrotman | skilz: you're ont changing permissions |
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| 02:45.38 | gnarface | would just reformat it reiserfs and be done with it :-p |
| 02:46.03 | somiaj | so hfs+ would be hpfs, the is also a uid,gid option for that file system. |
| 02:46.32 | skilz | gnarface, I don't it like this so I can use it on Mac and Pc |
| 02:46.53 | simonlnu | hpfs is NOT hfsplus |
| 02:47.17 | simonlnu | (common mistake) |
| 02:47.18 | gnarface | skilz: the mount options somiaj is talking about will not harm use on the mac (i think) however if you research a bit about filesystem permissions you're sure to be able to configure it so that your mac and linux box share it nicely |
| 02:47.33 | gnarface | skilz: using chmod and chown, that is |
| 02:47.41 | simonlnu | skilz: make sure the filesystem isn't journaled |
| 02:47.57 | skilz | It is journaled |
| 02:47.59 | simonlnu | because if the hfsplus is journaled you'll have problems |
| 02:48.01 | skilz | sighs |
| 02:48.08 | somiaj | hmm, the manpage says you can use hfsplus but has no list of mount options for that. Sorry I didn't realize there was a difference. |
| 02:48.12 | simonlnu | you can turn that off in disk utility |
| 02:48.19 | skilz | So I need to reformat it? |
| 02:48.22 | simonlnu | no |
| 02:48.24 | skilz | Oh okay |
| 02:48.26 | skilz | :) |
| 02:48.55 | simonlnu | there's a (hidden) button to turn it off, or from the menu. |
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| 02:51.43 | gnarface | i'd be tempted to just re-format it using a filesystem all my computers can read... but since i've wiped them all and installed linux on them (even the macs) that makes it really easy for me |
| 02:52.45 | gnarface | incidentally, anyone have any docs on optimizing ext4 for USB flash keys and SDHC cards? someone told me you could gain huge performance boosts by lining up the block size to the physical block size or something like that. |
| 02:52.54 | gnarface | i just don't know how |
| 02:53.01 | gnarface | i don't even know how to figure out the physical block size |
| 02:53.17 | simonlnu | *fdisk can tell you |
| 02:53.59 | gnarface | i don't understand the math to extract that number from a cylander count |
| 02:54.13 | gnarface | i mean cylinder |
| 02:54.25 | gnarface | wow that word looks weird |
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| 02:54.50 | simonlnu | it should tell you the number of blocks. i don't know either, but it's a simple equation. you can use $search_engine to find it |
| 02:55.00 | gnarface | tries fdisk again |
| 02:55.13 | simonlnu | cylander? looks like a cyl and gander smooshed together |
| 02:56.52 | jpinx_ | gnarface: fdisk has extensive options for working out what you want, but beware SDHC cards - they can fail without warning |
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| 02:58.01 | gnarface | jpinx_: in some way relevant to block optimization? or just normally? don't worry i'm not storing anything vital on these. they're just my sneaker-net |
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| 02:58.29 | gnarface | jpinx_: and, incidentally, are usb flash keys any different from SDHC or normal SD cards in that respect? |
| 02:58.41 | jpinx_ | gnarface: most - if not all - SD cards come with Vfat pre-installed and I have broken quite a few when trying to repartition andput ext3 on there |
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| 02:59.38 | jpinx_ | gnarface: I believe any solid-state memory has the same issues - I have had many failures on my travels, and some surprising successes |
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| 03:00.20 | gnarface | jpinx_: indeed. that's troubling. i can tell you it hasn't happened to me yet, but that's maybe just my good luck. i'm also one of the few people who never suffered permanent data loss from reiserfs :-p |
| 03:00.32 | jpinx_ | gnarface: one big issue for any journalled fs is that the number of writes goes up dramatically, and that is usualy the limiting factor |
| 03:00.43 | gnarface | hmm. interesting |
| 03:00.46 | gnarface | yes i guess i could see that |
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| 03:00.57 | jpinx_ | reiserfs - heh |
| 03:01.00 | gnarface | but with ext4, you can reduce or even turn off the journals right? |
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| 03:01.14 | gnarface | or... space them out more or something like that? |
| 03:01.14 | jpinx_ | I'm no expert on ext4 |
| 03:01.29 | jpinx_ | maybe make journalling much less frequent |
| 03:01.58 | gnarface | i do know its considered the quickest way to kill any flash memory to use it for a swap partition - so i've avoided that even though it would have actually been a huge performance boost for my old p75 laptop |
| 03:02.01 | jpinx_ | and remmebr to exit the usb device nicely . ripping it out cause hiccups that prmpt fsck's |
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| 03:03.05 | jpinx_ | yea- swap is bad, but do-able |
| 03:03.20 | skilz | Maybe I should make i 'UNIX' filesystem |
| 03:03.56 | jpinx_ | gnarface: in my earleir eeepc the SDD died too quickly |
| 03:04.14 | jpinx_ | now has a whirly drive eeepc |
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| 03:05.19 | clone_of_saturn | it's better to leave vfat on SD cards and such; vendors tend to build vfat assumptions into the wear-leveling logic |
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| 03:06.00 | Datz | Hi, I want to add a ppa, with instructions on using: add-apt-repository which is not found. |
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| 03:06.29 | Sue | he didn't even stay for a whole minute |
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| 03:06.35 | jpinx_ | drive-by :( |
| 03:06.49 | Datz | somehow I closed the wrong window |
| 03:07.11 | Datz | but I'm back, and with the same question. ;) |
| 03:07.12 | jpinx_ | click-maniac... |
| 03:07.13 | Sue | Datz: python-software-properties |
| 03:07.14 | gnarface | clone_of_saturn: at 9$ per 8GB usb key i'd just as soon be able to maintain permissions and have to buy extras |
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| 03:07.28 | Datz | jpinx_: in this case /wc |
| 03:07.34 | Sue | although a ppa is ubuntu centric |
| 03:07.40 | Datz | oh |
| 03:07.55 | jpinx_ | gnarface: I took that stance - buy lots of cheap ones and do lots of backups |
| 03:08.00 | Datz | well.. I want to update transmission-daemon, and I'm on Debian 6.0 |
| 03:08.04 | gnarface | i still can't figure out how to get block size out of fdisk - unless "sectors" == "blocks" ?? |
| 03:08.27 | Sue | Datz: look into apt-pinning |
| 03:08.40 | Sue | testing has a more up to date transmission package |
| 03:08.48 | Datz | so I could add testing repo? |
| 03:08.56 | jpinx | backports |
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| 03:09.12 | Datz | I looked into this, but unsure on how to add. Any good doc to point me to? |
| 03:09.15 | Sue | does backports have transmission? |
| 03:09.23 | abrotman | Datz: mixing versions of Debian isn't a good idea .. |
| 03:09.33 | Datz | humm |
| 03:09.37 | Sue | Datz: http://backports-master.debian.org/Instructions/ |
| 03:09.48 | Datz | thanks.. |
| 03:09.57 | jpinx | you can make your own backport... |
| 03:10.01 | abrotman | Datz: /msg dpkg ssb .. you'll need to make your own .. |
| 03:10.15 | Datz | rat salad |
| 03:10.18 | Datz | thanks |
| 03:10.27 | Sue | backports doesn't have the latest transmission |
| 03:10.34 | Datz | I don't need the latest |
| 03:10.44 | Datz | something > 2.06 |
| 03:10.47 | abrotman | backports doesn't ahve a backport at all, you'll need to make your own |
| 03:10.53 | abrotman | judd: versions transmission |
| 03:10.54 | judd | Package: transmission on i386 -- lenny: 1.22-1+lenny2; lenny-security: 1.22-1+lenny2; lenny-backports: 1.77-1~bpo50+2; squeeze: 2.03-2; sid: 2.50-1; wheezy: 2.50-1 |
| 03:11.01 | Sue | then why can't he pin squeeze |
| 03:11.32 | abrotman | he's using squeeze, and pinning is how you make a mess |
| 03:11.44 | gnarface | sonofa.... |
| 03:11.47 | Sue | i mean wheezy |
| 03:11.52 | gnarface | ext4 doesn't support block sizes below 1k???? |
| 03:11.55 | gnarface | wtf is that bullshit? |
| 03:12.08 | Sue | pinning for one package would make a mess? |
| 03:12.25 | abrotman | depends what the depends are, don't you think ? |
| 03:12.30 | Sue | transmission depends on all squeeze package |
| 03:12.33 | Sue | *packages |
| 03:12.40 | Sue | i'm looking at it in aptitude right now |
| 03:12.43 | abrotman | judd: depends transmission --release wheezy |
| 03:12.44 | judd | Package transmission in wheezy/i386 -- depends: transmission-gtk (>= 2.50-1) | transmission-qt (>= 2.50-1) | transmission-cli (>= 2.50-1), transmission-common (>= 2.50-1). |
| 03:12.58 | Sue | you want transmission-gtk or -cli |
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| 03:13.06 | Datz | cli I guess |
| 03:13.12 | abrotman | don't guess ... |
| 03:13.19 | Sue | judd: depends transmission-cli --release wheezy |
| 03:13.20 | Datz | I use transmission-daemon with web interface |
| 03:13.20 | judd | Package transmission-cli in wheezy/i386 -- depends: libc6 (>= 2.11), libcurl3-gnutls (>= 7.16.2), libevent-2.0-5 (>= 2.0.10-stable), libminiupnpc5, libnatpmp1, libssl1.0.0 (>= 1.0.0), zlib1g (>= 1:1.1.4), transmission-common (= 2.50-1). |
| 03:13.56 | abrotman | and if all the depends can be satisfied .. doing his own backport will be just as easy |
| 03:14.14 | aBound | I'm thinking of getting a 13 inch Macbook Pro and I was curious to those who might install Debian on the side. Yet, I wondered if the Intel Graphics 3000 HD was good enough for those using Compiz? |
| 03:14.25 | Datz | as long as there is good documentation, I've not done this before abrotman |
| 03:14.35 | abrotman | Datz: /msg dpkg ssb .. it's pretty easy |
| 03:14.46 | Datz | ok, thanks |
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| 03:19.44 | abrotman | judd: checkbackport transmission-cli |
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| 03:19.48 | judd | Backporting package transmission-cli in sid→squeeze/i386: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: libgtk-3-dev, libnotify-dev (>= 0.7), qt4-linguist-tools, libnatpmp-dev (>= 20110808). |
| 03:20.04 | abrotman | Datz: that says it can't be backported ... |
| 03:20.25 | abrotman | Datz: and if those depends are actual, the package can't be really pinned/installed in binary form either |
| 03:20.37 | abrotman | (if it really depends on gtk3, etc) |
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| 03:21.03 | Datz | :-/ |
| 03:21.13 | abrotman | Datz: is this a server or workstatoin ? |
| 03:21.26 | Datz | well, server now |
| 03:21.41 | abrotman | what feature did you need from transmission ? |
| 03:22.06 | Datz | when I add magnet links to the web interface, the trackers are left off. |
| 03:22.14 | Datz | through* |
| 03:22.22 | Datz | even though I can plainly see them in the url |
| 03:22.51 | abrotman | ah okay |
| 03:23.17 | abrotman | and there's no other package in squeeze that could handle it? like rtorrent ? |
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| 03:23.44 | epsas | rtorrent |
| 03:23.53 | itchyouch | good evening |
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| 03:24.14 | itchyouch | s/$/EST folks./ |
| 03:24.36 | Datz | I suppose the easiest thing would be to enable DHT.. :P |
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| 03:25.07 | Datz | which I've been fighting not to. |
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| 03:30.12 | darkelfjuggalo | I have managed to obtain a flash drive, i have a netinstall file on it from unetbootin.sourceforge...everythin installs properly up until the GRUB, the grum fails, i attempt to use the LILO and the LILO installs but does not run properly |
| 03:30.24 | abrotman | unetbootin rarely works |
| 03:31.42 | darkelfjuggalo | thank you, i have attempted it twice on 2 different mirrors... i think I'm doing something wrong in trying to save to my Flash drive from Debian.org...i'm not finding the data on the drive... |
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| 03:33.39 | abrotman | !tell darkelfjuggalo about usb install |
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| 03:37.22 | darkelfjuggalo | will the files from Debian.org write over the unetbootin files or will i need to delete them first? |
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| 03:37.45 | unkmar | I'm running stable. Probably don't make any difference in this case. |
| 03:37.52 | abrotman | darkelfjuggalo: it will overwrite them |
| 03:37.56 | abrotman | unkmar: ? |
| 03:38.37 | unkmar | I get my gnome notification there are updates. I click to update and the update status window pops up. Download and install. |
| 03:38.47 | abrotman | unkmar: that thing lies constantly |
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| 03:39.36 | unkmar | I double click to full screen it. I'm a little odd about watching the results. And It won't maximize. Worse, there are little scroll-bars because the window isn't big enough for the content. |
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| 03:40.05 | unkmar | Allow the freaking window to maximize. I hate having to click, drag, stretch the thing into submission. |
| 03:40.42 | unkmar | Thankfully, I am at least allowed to do that. It would suck even more if I was FORCED to live with the scrolls. |
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| 03:40.57 | unkmar | Sure, I could be NORMAL and just ignore the thing completely. |
| 03:41.39 | unkmar | And I don't expect to see changes anytime soon. Just want to whine about that UI annoyance. |
| 03:43.23 | darkelfjuggalo | the instructions dpkg seem to be written for using a linux already not trying to get the files on it via a windows |
| 03:43.57 | abrotman | is windows on the box you want to install Debian on? |
| 03:44.17 | nyingen | Hi, I have a laptop here whose network drivers aren't supported by squeeze, but are available in recent linux kernels. So I can't do a network install. Is there a way to make a custom installation CD that has a more recent kernel source on it, and the tools to compile it? |
| 03:44.31 | abrotman | !tell nyingen about kmuto |
| 03:44.39 | abrotman | nyingen: that URl may have newer images |
| 03:44.53 | nyingen | abrotman: excellent, thank you |
| 03:44.54 | unkmar | nyingen: which drivers? I had a similar problem. I managed to get around it. |
| 03:45.05 | nyingen | I actually don't know. This is a Asus Zenbook |
| 03:45.38 | nyingen | I found a blog post describing this situation and what to do about it |
| 03:46.38 | nyingen | ah, ath9k |
| 03:47.40 | darkelfjuggalo | abrotman , the device im installing on nolonger has a working OS... windows is removed completely on the previous attempts to install debian that were un successful for one reason or another...etch disc that wouldn't copy from disc, or acknowledge my ethernet card for net install, and my USB with unetbootin that fails to install my grub...both hardrives hyave been reformatted to remove all windows material |
| 03:50.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1175] by debhelper |
| 03:50.05 | abrotman | darkelfjuggalo: read the rest of what the bot told you .. tells you how to do it from windows IIRC |
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| 03:52.23 | abrotman | darkelfjuggalo: find it ? |
| 03:52.34 | darkelfjuggalo | ok and my chat stopped refreshing |
| 03:52.54 | abrotman | !tell darkelfjuggalo about usb install |
| 03:53.01 | abrotman | got it again ? |
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| 03:55.25 | darkelfjuggalo | download both source and binary? |
| 03:55.51 | abrotman | you probably just want the binary to create the ISO |
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| 03:57.09 | darkelfjuggalo | the readme says it is for ubuntu... will i be able to get debian directly from this? |
| 03:57.32 | abrotman | that's the idea |
| 03:57.49 | darkelfjuggalo | ok...is it using ubuntu |
| 03:57.54 | abrotman | it shouldn't |
| 03:57.59 | nvz | I had tried to read the apple spec for my ipod nano video MANY times and get videos converted for them, ultimately I ended up using avidemux's "Auto ipod" thing because it works. All my attempts I get no video just audio trying to make a h264 mp4 320x240. Anyone have suggestions to figure out what avidemux does right so I can duplicate it in a more scripted way using an encoder of my choice? |
| 03:58.03 | abrotman | try it and see .. i've not used it .. |
| 03:58.03 | darkelfjuggalo | s name in place of debian then |
| 03:58.21 | darkelfjuggalo | sorryit sent without me realizing i hit the enter button |
| 03:59.17 | nvz | ideally I'd like to not only have banshee be able to auto-convert smaller things like youtube videos I download, but I'd also just like to write my own scripts to convert stuff I DVR automatically to sync to my ipod to watch on the go |
| 03:59.46 | boudiccas | handbrake and winff |
| 04:00.29 | nvz | are you talkin to me? heh |
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| 04:01.07 | darkelfjuggalo | at least people with linux camp have a sense of humor...something that lacks with people i deal with for other OS's lol [remarking the comment in the readme about 'it may eat your files, call you names, or explode in a massive shower of code'] |
| 04:02.22 | nvz | idk I guess I will just have to analyze the videos it makes further and keep doing trial and error with ffmpeg and such |
| 04:02.40 | boudiccas | nvz; handbrake and winff |
| 04:02.52 | nvz | handbrake like avidemux is a gui |
| 04:03.06 | nvz | I need a oneliner I can script or have banshee do on the fly when it syncs video |
| 04:03.07 | darkelfjuggalo | umm i do not understand the instructions in the Readme |
| 04:03.23 | ParkerR | boudiccas, I like Winff |
| 04:03.31 | nvz | darkelfjuggalo: what are you even trying to do? I for one have no idea what you're talking avbout |
| 04:04.20 | jpinx | darkelfjuggalo: I just cecked the links from the bot message - it is so clear |
| 04:04.21 | darkelfjuggalo | im trying to create a netinstall for squeeze on a 8GB USB memory stick |
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| 04:04.33 | nvz | what would be really cool is if I could remember how I finally got rid of the topic bar in irssi before my hdd died.. heh |
| 04:04.39 | ParkerR | darkelfjuggalo, http://crunchbanglinux.org/wiki/statler_usb_installation Works for any iso |
| 04:04.46 | jpinx | darkelfjuggalo: did you get the message from dpkg ? |
| 04:04.54 | nvz | helps when I'm cramming an irc window somewhere to have more actual chat lines and less info |
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| 04:05.20 | boudiccas | nvz; now you know why people document this stuff in their blogs |
| 04:05.28 | nvz | haha |
| 04:05.29 | nvz | true |
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| 04:05.56 | darkelfjuggalo | jpinx, i'm still a programming novice and last time i did this i had a disc that did all the work now that disc won't copy and i can't afford to purchase another set, nor can i burn them as the DVD writer corrupts discs, so I'm trying the best I can to do this by hand |
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| 04:06.07 | nvz | I used to rely on my memory.. and apparently I'm getting old.. should've known that'd happen |
| 04:06.36 | chalced | :) |
| 04:06.45 | jpinx | darkelfjuggalo: did you get the message from dpkg ? yes or no? |
| 04:09.07 | darkelfjuggalo | jpinx, yes i did and i'm trying to understand what it is telling me in the windows part... i followed the link i downloaded the binaries and i'm lost on the instructions of the read me for that file |
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| 04:12.43 | darkelfjuggalo | ParkerR looking at the link you gave me, I understand it better, but i do not know how to save the ISO... |
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| 04:15.00 | darkelfjuggalo | how do I save an ISO? |
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| 04:23.23 | pgb | Hi! |
| 04:23.25 | pgb | nights! |
| 04:23.33 | alpha2 | *sex* |
| 04:24.57 | pgb | guys! I try install qemu heare in my sistem 64, but whi I compile, the system type: install 32 libs-dev. |
| 04:25.28 | darkelfjuggalo | ok i'll ask again, i'm sure it's a foolish question, but i'm lost... how do I save and ISO to a folder on my running OS to be burned to a USB flash drive? |
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| 04:26.06 | alpha2 | pgb: sudo apt-get install ia32-libs-dev |
| 04:26.36 | alpha2 | darkelfjuggalo: what? |
| 04:26.41 | alpha2 | you don't burn usb flash drives... |
| 04:26.52 | alpha2 | where's the iso now? |
| 04:27.00 | pgb | alpha2: I install, but the system insit equal message |
| 04:27.20 | alpha2 | pgb: what version of debian? |
| 04:27.32 | ParkerR | darkelfjuggalo, Just save the iso to anywhere on your disk |
| 04:27.42 | pgb | alpha2: 6.04 |
| 04:28.34 | darkelfjuggalo | the diections here http://crunchbanglinux.org/wiki/statler_usb_installation says to have the ISO on my disc so i can transfer it to the USB, i don't know how to save it to begin with... |
| 04:28.36 | alpha2 | pgb 64bit or 32 bit? |
| 04:28.48 | pgb | alpha2: 64 |
| 04:29.00 | alpha2 | how are you trying to install qemu? |
| 04:29.04 | pgb | alpha2: x86_64 |
| 04:29.17 | pgb | alpha2: ./configure |
| 04:29.54 | alpha2 | have you tried: apt-get install qemu |
| 04:29.56 | alpha2 | ? |
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| 04:30.34 | pgb | alpha2: yes, but is a older version... |
| 04:32.10 | alpha2 | Well, from what it sounds like to me, is you're trying to install the 32 bit on your 64bit system. But I'm not sure why that would error. |
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| 04:32.24 | alpha2 | generally you can install 32 on 64. just not the oppoiste |
| 04:32.27 | alpha2 | opposite* |
| 04:32.53 | alpha2 | can you pastebin the actual error logs that you get after you compile? |
| 04:32.58 | pgb | alpha2: Yes... |
| 04:33.05 | pgb | Is due it... |
| 04:33.21 | darkelfjuggalo | thanks for all the help |
| 04:33.30 | alpha2 | darkelfjuggalo: did we help? |
| 04:33.35 | alpha2 | I kinda went awol on you. |
| 04:33.55 | pgb | I keep out #debian-br.... |
| 04:34.02 | gatuno_123 | does anybody knows how to configure /etc/network/interfaces to ask for dhcp over ipv6? |
| 04:34.05 | pgb | nobody tk... |
| 04:34.20 | darkelfjuggalo | no one answeed my last question...but i tried to hide my sarcasm and frustration, i'm sure i failed |
| 04:34.39 | pgb | alpha2: but, returnin to tk... |
| 04:34.43 | alpha2 | darkelfjuggalo: gimme a moment:) |
| 04:34.46 | pgb | *returning |
| 04:34.47 | gatuno_123 | what is your question darkelfjuggalo? |
| 04:35.19 | alpha2 | gatuno_123: he wants to make his usb disk a bootable installer for another distro |
| 04:35.23 | alpha2 | he's wondering how to do that |
| 04:36.03 | pgb | darkelfjuggalo: man, U need install netbooting... |
| 04:36.17 | alpha2 | haha |
| 04:36.36 | darkelfjuggalo | gatuno_123 I want to make a Debian install via my USB the instructions i have say to have the iso saved to my windows based computer, but i do not know how to save the ISO |
| 04:37.12 | alpha2 | darkelfjuggalo: |
| 04:37.15 | alpha2 | just download it meng |
| 04:37.19 | pgb | darkelfjuggalo: selec iroi SIO and....."don't worry...be happy, don't worry, be happy |
| 04:37.40 | pgb | darkelfjuggalo: Be happy now man! ;) |
| 04:38.03 | pgb | aptitude install netbooting... |
| 04:38.07 | darkelfjuggalo | pgb ... umm where is iroi SIO? |
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| 04:38.49 | gatuno_123 | I've made a full usb debian installer, by installing grub2 in the usb, copying the iso, and configuring boot/grub/grub.cfg based on Iso's syslinux config. |
| 04:39.05 | gatuno_123 | Also, I copy the special usb kernel images of debian installer |
| 04:39.16 | dvs | gatuno_123: from windows? |
| 04:39.28 | gatuno_123 | not, from debian |
| 04:39.44 | gatuno_123 | I even format the usb with ext3 |
| 04:40.09 | pgb | gatuno_123: but, if he installing netbooting not solve yhe problen of darkelfjuggalo? |
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| 04:41.32 | gatuno_123 | I'm not sure..... I haven't used netbooting, |
| 04:41.52 | pgb | i use...is very pratic... |
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| 04:41.58 | pgb | gatuno_123: easy.. |
| 04:43.06 | pgb | gatuno_123: look this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_UZ4v2MQic |
| 04:43.32 | pgb | explaing everthing...I think...re,re,re... :P |
| 04:43.49 | pgb | I a mad! :P ... |
| 04:44.18 | gatuno_123 | I know using unetbooting makes the things better and esay, but I like more hand-writed config |
| 04:44.35 | gatuno_123 | It giveme better control over the situation.... |
| 04:44.36 | pgb | gatuno_123: not works, case u likes transform image of freeBsd to pendrive... |
| 04:44.59 | gatuno_123 | I don't understand that |
| 04:45.02 | pgb | gatuno_123: ohhh...all right! |
| 04:45.39 | darkelfjuggalo | unetbootin failed when i attempted to install from it...the GRUB wouldn't install then the LILO wouldn't boot |
| 04:45.47 | pgb | gatuno_123: sorry man! |
| 04:47.03 | pgb | gatuno_123: man, I try compile qemu in my debian 64, , now the sistem type: Error: zlib check failed |
| 04:47.04 | pgb | Make sure to have the zlib libs and headers installed. |
| 04:48.05 | gatuno_123 | well, any ways, somebody have worked with ipv6 and dhclient? |
| 04:48.46 | darkelfjuggalo | so am i getting an answer to the question or not? |
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| 04:49.40 | ParkerR | darkelfjuggalo, Just download it to the harddrive and put the path to the iso in the command I gave you |
| 04:50.18 | darkelfjuggalo | i don't know how to download it to the harddrive... how many times do i have to say that? |
| 04:50.39 | ParkerR | Just like any other file |
| 04:50.41 | ParkerR | Save it |
| 04:50.54 | ParkerR | Right click > Save link as |
| 04:51.01 | ParkerR | Or something close to that |
| 04:51.02 | dvs | darkelfjuggalo: take a web browser, click on the link, and click on the Save button |
| 04:51.41 | pgb | ParkerR: U need upload to maint of darkelfjuggalo! |
| 04:51.51 | darkelfjuggalo | ok then... from http://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst using the i386 under Tiny CDs, USB Sticks, etc. what file exactly do i save |
| 04:52.32 | ParkerR | http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/squeeze/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/mini.iso |
| 04:53.05 | darkelfjuggalo | thank you...and this time im'm not sarcastic |
| 04:53.25 | dvs | darkelfjuggalo: you need a WIRED Internet connection to complete the install |
| 04:53.30 | gatuno_123 | laughs |
| 04:53.49 | pgb | ParkerR: I tray compile qemu heare in my debian 64, now the system say: Error: zlib check failed |
| 04:53.50 | pgb | Make sure to have the zlib libs and headers installed. |
| 04:54.01 | darkelfjuggalo | i have that, dvs. the computer it will be installing on is on my Wired network |
| 04:54.11 | pgb | ParkerR: How identify this libs, plz |
| 04:54.17 | ParkerR | pgb, sudo apt-get install libzlib-dev maybe? |
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| 04:54.25 | ParkerR | Just search in synaptic |
| 04:54.36 | pgb | I searsh... |
| 04:54.39 | ParkerR | Search for zlib in synaptic |
| 04:54.56 | ParkerR | You prolly need the regular and the dev files |
| 04:54.57 | pgb | ParkerR: give me many archives... |
| 04:55.16 | ParkerR | Cant look at it atm. Not in my linux install |
| 04:55.41 | pgb | ParkerR: No problem man... |
| 04:56.47 | ParkerR | pgb, https://www.google.com/#hl=en&sclient=psy-ab&q=debian+zlib-dev&fp=e8d1d53d31e9bab2 |
| 04:58.55 | pgb | ParkerR: I thinking a stupd! re,re,re.. |
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| 05:00.11 | pgb | ParkerR: *stupid |
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| 05:04.07 | darkelfjuggalo | I attempted to write to the USB stick, and i got an error 'access denied' |
| 05:04.22 | somiaj | darkelfjuggalo: write to it how? |
| 05:05.04 | darkelfjuggalo | using win23 Disk Imager |
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| 05:05.28 | somiaj | darkelfjuggalo: in windows or debian? Is it writing to the device /dev/sd? directally? |
| 05:05.35 | darkelfjuggalo | in windows |
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| 05:05.45 | somiaj | darkelfjuggalo: there is ##windows |
| 05:06.07 | somiaj | darkelfjuggalo: Are you trying to write to a second partition on the drive? |
| 05:06.25 | darkelfjuggalo | i'm trying to write the debian ISO to the usb stick to install Debian on another computer |
| 05:07.07 | dvs | nudges ParkerR |
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| 05:07.19 | ParkerR | dvs, What? |
| 05:07.29 | somiaj | darkelfjuggalo: don't know windows enough to say what the issue is, try google... |
| 05:07.30 | ParkerR | darkelfjuggalo, Ok? |
| 05:07.49 | ParkerR | darkelfjuggalo, Hmm are you admin? |
| 05:07.56 | ParkerR | Or just run it as admin |
| 05:08.11 | darkelfjuggalo | ParkerR, i got an access denied error on my usb stick when writing in the disk imager |
| 05:08.12 | dvs | Everyone's an admin in Windows |
| 05:08.17 | darkelfjuggalo | i'll try |
| 05:08.30 | ParkerR | dvs, Not if multi accounts XD |
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| 05:09.55 | darkelfjuggalo | ever running as administrator |
| 05:10.02 | darkelfjuggalo | even^ |
| 05:10.56 | darkelfjuggalo | it says the error is occuring when it attempts to lock the volume [this is my first time using a USB stick] |
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| 05:15.10 | darkelfjuggalo | wow removing the USB and putting it back in seemed the do the trick.... Now do i need anything other than the ISO on the stick to run the installer? |
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| 05:17.16 | ParkerR | Nope |
| 05:17.38 | ParkerR | darkelfjuggalo, Just boot fromt he drive now |
| 05:17.46 | darkelfjuggalo | so i can remove the USB drive plug it in to the other and get this done?[in theory] |
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| 05:18.46 | dvs | is guessing darkelfjuggalo just copied the iso to the usb |
| 05:19.26 | darkelfjuggalo | yes dvs, after i removed the usb and plugged it back in i was able to write to it[guessing i was disconnected when i said that before] |
| 05:20.19 | ParkerR | dvs, I still have a disc from forever ago before I knew what to do with the iso. It has an old puppy iso just sitting on it XD |
| 05:21.07 | dvs | points to unetbootin |
| 05:22.08 | darkelfjuggalo | now, if the grub fails in this as it did from my attempt to install by unetbootin i'm going to be highly pissed |
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| 05:30.36 | nyingen | I'm trying to install debian, and there's something odd about the wireless network configuration screen |
| 05:31.14 | nyingen | it asks me for an ESSID, which I assume is the name of the network I want to connect to, then it asks me for the "WEP security key for the wireless device wlan0" |
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| 05:31.55 | nyingen | the network here is WPA-PSK, and this phrasing seems to imply that the key goes with the network device rather than being a per-network setting |
| 05:31.59 | pgb | Anybody install debian testing? |
| 05:32.14 | nyingen | in any case, if I give the ESSID and the correct password, the installer does not succeed. |
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| 05:36.36 | cardamon | nyingen: debian installer doesn't like certain protocals. WPA2-PSK is one of them. |
| 05:37.09 | cardamon | Get yourself some cat5, find the router, and finish the install. Then try. |
| 05:37.27 | nyingen | pfft, you mean I have to go all the way upstairs? |
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| 05:38.27 | nyingen | but why doesn't it support WPA-PSK? It's extremely common |
| 05:38.41 | nyingen | much more common than WEP these days |
| 05:39.03 | cardamon | You'd have to ask the people who wrote it. |
| 05:39.47 | cardamon | It's generally not an issue if you run the installer from a live environment. But for a netinst, I'd imagine space was sacrificed. |
| 05:40.19 | cardamon | If you feel very strongly about it...write an alternative. |
| 05:41.57 | nyingen | I'm just surprised that it's not in there by default. I'd wager that the majority of people attempting to install via wireless network need to use WPA and not WEP |
| 05:42.28 | nyingen | I guess I should have used a livecd |
| 05:42.52 | nyingen | or liveusb, or something. This computer has no CD drive (and no ethernet port, for that matter, only a usb->ethernet dongle) |
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| 06:52.53 | himmelstrutz | hi. I should know this, but I don't, or have forgot. I want to start thunar and xterm by default when logging in with gdm to my openbox-session - what file should I modify to get this to work? I tried out .xsession and .xinitrc, but gdm overuns them, right(?), so what file should I use instead? |
| 06:55.04 | neersighted | himmelstrutz: ~/.bashrc? |
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| 06:55.30 | neersighted | Or do you sometimes login headless? |
| 06:55.50 | himmelstrutz | neersighted, headless? without gdm? no. |
| 06:55.57 | neersighted | okay |
| 06:56.08 | neersighted | then plop it in the .bashrc (login script) |
| 06:56.16 | himmelstrutz | ok, thanks! |
| 06:56.39 | neersighted | np |
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| 06:59.16 | MadMockers | Hi all.. I'm having issues with the package resource i'm using for Sid. I've tried using another one near me, but am getting the same error: ....debian_debian_dists_sid_main_i18n_Translation-en Encountered a section with no Package: header. Anyone aware of how to fix this? Pretty much everything I've found online has told me to either apt-get clean, or delete /var/lib/apt/lists/partial, however both of these do nothing to help -.-. |
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| 06:59.43 | himmelstrutz | neersighted, tried it out, and it works, but not like I want it to work. this starts "xterm" and "thunar" first when I login and then execute a xterminal - so it must be something else than .bashrc |
| 06:59.54 | neersighted | oh right |
| 07:00.04 | neersighted | .bashrc is not executed by gdm |
| 07:00.08 | neersighted | ._. |
| 07:00.10 | himmelstrutz | yeah |
| 07:00.47 | himmelstrutz | what files does gdm modify? I believe thats the one that I am after... will google... |
| 07:00.50 | neersighted | http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/50 |
| 07:01.05 | nsadmin | but, ~you/.bashrc will be executed by any NON-login shell |
| 07:01.13 | neersighted | durrrpppp |
| 07:01.20 | neersighted | *~/.bash_profile |
| 07:01.32 | nsadmin | and maybe at other times depending on what other files are present |
| 07:01.45 | nsadmin | man bash, FILES section |
| 07:01.50 | neersighted | http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/50 |
| 07:01.53 | neersighted | ^ just use this |
| 07:05.02 | nsadmin | (that is... if you want to use bash... if you use a different shell, none of the above apply except possibly neersighted's link which I havent' read) |
| 07:05.13 | neersighted | ~.profile |
| 07:05.13 | apt | i guess .profile is bourne shell initialization file , can be located in the user's home directory. .. the .profile initialization file is executed at login |
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| 07:05.29 | neersighted | is executed by most shells |
| 07:05.32 | neersighted | but just go for the link |
| 07:05.38 | neersighted | it works at the X, not the shell level |
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| 07:06.06 | nsadmin | why? does some program tied with X read that file? |
| 07:06.26 | nsadmin | oh you mean the link |
| 07:06.35 | neersighted | nods |
| 07:07.04 | mBull | hi, does anyone know if incron is recursive or not? cause I can't seem to find it in the docs |
| 07:07.28 | mBull | (incron from same producers as inotify which isn't recursive) |
| 07:07.51 | himmelstrutz | ok, thanks people,. will try it out now. |
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| 07:07.58 | nsadmin | , versions incron |
| 07:07.59 | judd | Package: incron on i386 -- lenny: 0.5.7-1; sid: 0.5.9-5; squeeze: 0.5.9-5; wheezy: 0.5.9-5 |
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| 07:08.13 | nsadmin | , info incron |
| 07:08.14 | judd | Package incron (admin, extra) in squeeze/i386: cron-like daemon which handles filesystem events. Version: 0.5.9-5; Size: 109.3k; Installed: 360k; Homepage: http://inotify.aiken.cz/ |
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| 07:08.26 | mBull | i already found those info's to |
| 07:08.35 | neersighted | , info inotify |
| 07:08.36 | judd | No package named 'inotify' was found in squeeze/i386. |
| 07:09.02 | nsadmin | maybe they bundled it' |
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| 07:09.14 | mBull | hmmm |
| 07:09.20 | nsadmin | , file bin/inotify |
| 07:09.22 | kish | do i want a cd image of debian if i intend to dd it onto a usb stick and install from there? |
| 07:09.25 | judd | No packages in squeeze/i386 were found with that file. |
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| 07:10.51 | alpha2 | DAMNIT |
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| 07:10.52 | kish | i'll get the netinstall |
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| 07:13.36 | nsadmin | nit of a dam! |
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| 07:14.21 | neersighted | O.o |
| 07:14.32 | neersighted | `nit of a dam`? |
| 07:14.45 | nsadmin | damnity |
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| 07:15.54 | nsadmin | kish, that would be a fairly efficient way to go. Check the install guide for how to set the stick up |
| 07:17.14 | kish | nsadmin, i assume dd works |
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| 07:18.13 | Sarakun | hi, |
| 07:19.02 | nsadmin | I've heard dd works on debian live cds, maybe it does on netinst. anyway, the |
| 07:19.06 | nsadmin | !ig |
| 07:19.06 | dpkg | The Debian Installation Guide for Squeeze (6.0) can be found at http://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/installmanual . See also <errata> <firmware images> <installer firmware> <release notes>. |
| 07:19.18 | nsadmin | will tell you definitively |
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| 07:19.32 | Sarakun | How to install dhcp server and dhcp server management? |
| 07:20.04 | nsadmin | look for a specific dhcp server that has management you can also install |
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| 07:20.44 | nsadmin | (that is... you have to find the software that meets your requirements before you install)( |
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| 07:22.00 | qdb | hello. i have libc6 libc-bin libc6-i686 in updaes but if search them in package search site i get page like http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/libc6-i686 which all 3 link to http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/e/eglibc/eglibc_2.11.3-2/changelog which is other package and where is no update in 2012 |
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| 07:28.01 | nsadmin | qdb, maybe the package comes from security.debian.org which would have the package and its changelog |
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| 07:29.44 | darkelfjuggalo | When installing Debian Squeeze, is there anyway to prevent the GRUB install from failing? i have attempted this from 2 different sources, and from 2 different mirrors... |
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| 07:29.47 | nsadmin | having said that as someone who doesn't know the details of how security.d.o works, it could be cause for concern |
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| 07:30.18 | Naeblis | darkelfjuggalo, I was also having the same problem, so I tried with offline installer. |
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| 07:30.23 | nsadmin | in order to prevent a failure first find out what causes the failing |
| 07:30.25 | Naeblis | worked |
| 07:30.30 | littlebit | hi, i wanted to know if there is a possibility to put the content of /usr/share/doc online on local network. if so how? |
| 07:30.42 | sxpert | darkelfjuggalo: dont attempt to use an lvm volume for /boot |
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| 07:31.57 | darkelfjuggalo | sxpert, i'm doing it all in one partition as i'm not experienced enough to managed multiple partitions |
| 07:32.11 | qdb | nsadmin, i have opened several pages from that page but libc... is not in affected packages lists |
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| 07:32.19 | WormFood | Is there some way better than "hdparm -Y /dev/sdx" to "shutdown" a sata hard drive, before hot removing it. I feel like I should be notifying the kernel or something more. |
| 07:32.42 | darkelfjuggalo | Naeblis i can't get a disc to use offline... the disc i had won't copy from disc and will not recognize my ethernet |
| 07:32.50 | sxpert | darkelfjuggalo: you may be unwittingly using a single lvm partition |
| 07:33.15 | darkelfjuggalo | i'll double check the partion and let you know give me a moment |
| 07:33.49 | nsadmin | maybe you should file a bug against ftp.debian.org |
| 07:34.00 | nsadmin | or contact the maint |
| 07:34.00 | darkelfjuggalo | sxpert the primary is ext3 the logical is a swap... no other partitions |
| 07:34.14 | qdb | i see the change now http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/e/eglibc/eglibc_2.13-27/changelog |
| 07:34.34 | darkelfjuggalo | nsadmin, who is the file a bug suggestion to? |
| 07:34.36 | qdb | but somehow it is in other package page, so i am not sure |
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| 07:34.55 | qdb | link from http://packages.debian.org/sid/libc6 |
| 07:34.58 | nsadmin | qdb, against either libc or the archive |
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| 07:35.19 | nsadmin | did that file just show up? |
| 07:36.48 | qdb | nsadmin, i do not understand you because do not know english well. i have seen it in ... dist upgrade and found the page in google searching debian libc6 |
| 07:37.30 | qdb | when i searched in package search it not apeared let i try again |
| 07:38.03 | nsadmin | ok, so you found it somewhere else? |
| 07:38.14 | qdb | ahh google show me sid! |
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| 07:38.25 | qdb | if i look at stable it is not here |
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| 07:38.53 | qdb | there is no update in 2012 in http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/libc6 |
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| 07:39.08 | sxpert | darkelfjuggalo: then it shouldn't fail. no idea |
| 07:39.13 | nsadmin | right, so then the question becomes why is your squeeze trying to pull sid libc |
| 07:39.40 | qdb | may be i have proposed updates and they give me that i ll check |
| 07:40.07 | pif | hi, how do I prevent 'brltty' from getting installed at every dist-upgrade (even after I have removed it)? |
| 07:40.12 | nsadmin | maybe you installed sid packages, which makes a mixture, which is not recommended because it would cause a partial upgrade |
| 07:40.25 | nsadmin | maybe you have a sid source (or maybe not) |
| 07:40.30 | pif | my box is sid |
| 07:40.48 | qdb | nsadmin, i installed darkice from other repo and turned that repo off |
| 07:41.04 | nsadmin | "other repo"? |
| 07:41.07 | darkelfjuggalo | thanks... i have done this 5x today... the grub happening the last 3... |
| 07:41.12 | qdb | nsadmin, debian multimedia |
| 07:41.24 | qdb | because it support mp3 |
| 07:41.29 | nsadmin | could you show the line in sources.list? |
| 07:42.13 | qdb | nsadmin, whole sources list http://paste2.org/p/1931493 |
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| 07:43.31 | nsadmin | your sources.list looks good, all squeeze and no sid |
| 07:44.48 | nsadmin | so, still we don't know why the libc update |
| 07:45.17 | nsadmin | it looks like it has nothing to do with sid or getting anything from sid |
| 07:46.12 | qdb | nsadmin, may be packages site is not updated? |
| 07:46.35 | nsadmin | that could be, but let me check something... |
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| 07:48.03 | nsadmin | I tried a dist-upgrade that I didn't allow to proceed... |
| 07:48.18 | nsadmin | it just wants to upgrade gimp and some libs |
| 07:48.58 | qdb | but no libc... among them? |
| 07:49.12 | jpinx | qdb: I didn't read the whole scrollback, but did you get that libc from dmm maybe - you say you installed something and then deleted the repo... |
| 07:49.29 | WormFood | so am I the only one who hot adds/remove sata hard drives? |
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| 07:49.58 | nsadmin | I hotdeal with Esata |
| 07:50.15 | WormFood | same thing, only external |
| 07:50.19 | alpha2 | licks WormFood |
| 07:50.25 | WormFood | what do you do, when you go to remove a hard drive? |
| 07:50.28 | merlin83 | hi, i've been trying to install debian on my pc with software raid, however, grub fails to install.. is there anyway i can fix it? |
| 07:50.30 | qdb | jpinx i should know out whether it is installed with darkice, or whether it is from dmm, but i do not know command yet |
| 07:50.39 | nsadmin | the drive in question has like 8 200gb pvs |
| 07:51.22 | qdb | and even if it is from dmm, it is off now and in stable there seems no update yet |
| 07:51.55 | jpinx | qdb: you could re-add the repo and run the install command you did before with -s (simulate) to see what happens without actually doing anything |
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| 07:52.44 | qdb | jpinx but if i simulate installing darkice it may be will not show already installed packages? |
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| 07:53.37 | jpinx | qdb: I'm no guru, but I seem to remember there is a way to look at what is installed on your system and where it came from |
| 07:53.59 | qdb | ok i also i am going to search it |
| 07:54.01 | jpinx | someting like /var/lib/dpkg*** |
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| 07:56.34 | qdb | jpinx http://superuser.com/questions/106794/how-to-tell-from-what-ubuntu-or-debian-repository-a-package-comes |
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| 07:57.25 | jpinx | qdb: ;) |
| 07:58.04 | qdb | http://paste2.org/p/1931516 |
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| 08:00.49 | jpinx_ | qdb: yea - mine is 2.11.3-3 |
| 08:00.58 | jpinx_ | I updated this morning |
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| 08:01.58 | qdb | jpinx thank you. but i want to see it in packages site. if it is of today probably site is not updated |
| 08:02.35 | jpinx | qdb: not sure why you need to see that, and you need to look at a speific mirror |
| 08:02.41 | qdb | i think the site updates quite long if so |
| 08:03.23 | qdb | why specific mirror? main site should have updates earlier than mirrors |
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| 08:05.54 | ws2k3 | wehat is the difference between priority and nice ? |
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| 08:11.30 | qdb | jpinx " not sure why you need to see that" )) i have paranoia . i do not know about hcking methods much but i think ... that if some hacker sets some certificate in my debian with physical access to comp, and replace IP of repo in etc hosts or in my dns which i use of my provider's , or if hackers are in the mirror repo itself, he can then send me his spyware through standart update channel |
| 08:13.04 | erujolc | are debian repos not signed at package level or the transport using certs? |
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| 08:14.01 | qdb | erujolc, as i know only list of packages/updates' hash sums are signed |
| 08:14.10 | qdb | is signed |
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| 08:15.02 | qdb | seems that list is downloaded on apt-get update |
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| 08:17.05 | ansgar | qdb: http://lists.debian.org/debian-stable-announce/2012/02/threads.html |
| 08:17.39 | alpha2 | haha |
| 08:17.40 | alpha2 | qdb |
| 08:17.43 | alpha2 | incorrect;) |
| 08:17.47 | qdb | ansgar, thank you |
| 08:17.59 | qdb | alpha2, what |
| 08:18.05 | u4ia74 | I was updating some apps and I saw a warning message "Warning: No support for locale: en_US.utf8" How can I fix this/add support for utf8 en_US? |
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| 08:18.41 | ansgar | qdb: And if someone has physical access to your computer, he can just install a rootkit and you would never notice anyway. |
| 08:19.14 | ansgar | qdb: He would not need to install a certificate. |
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| 08:20.23 | qdb | ansgar, cannot his rootkit be deactivated by an update? |
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| 08:20.49 | Edifier | u4ia74,run this command : dpkg-reconfigure locales |
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| 08:22.01 | qdb | ansgar, but i do not see that update in packages site, why? |
| 08:22.32 | darkelfjuggalo | i attempted to file a bug report on the GRUB issue and i got a reply saying they couldn't process it... can someone show me how I am supposed to format a bug report? |
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| 08:25.28 | u4ia74 | Edifier: Great, thank you. |
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| 08:28.36 | qdb | i think there must be a tool in live cd that checks all hash sums of all files and packages with what is written in repo |
| 08:28.45 | darkelfjuggalo | how do i file a bug report? i attempted to and was told they couldn't process it. |
| 08:28.55 | Edifier | u4ia74,very good ,hehe |
| 08:29.08 | qdb | i think there must be a tool in live cd that checks all hash sums of all files and packages with what is written in repo, i mean, it should be able to work with debian installed on hdd |
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| 08:31.42 | darkelfjuggalo | hello? |
| 08:32.15 | qdb | darkelfjuggalo, hello. i read instruction of debian and never reported a bug ) |
| 08:32.27 | qdb | i need to send e mail for that |
| 08:32.50 | darkelfjuggalo | qdb submit@bugs.debian.org |
| 08:33.33 | qdb | darkelfjuggalo, may be you have not formatted your email as needed |
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| 08:34.47 | jelly-home | darkelfjuggalo: did it look like the example at http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting |
| 08:35.09 | darkelfjuggalo | i'm not sure im understanding the instructions qdb it wouldn't take the header and im confused at setting up the pseudo-header |
| 08:35.51 | qdb | darkelfjuggalo, better talk with jelly-home ) |
| 08:36.14 | jelly-home | darkelfjuggalo: pseudo-header is just a line in the mail body looking like "Something: somethingelse" eg, "Package: grub-pc" |
| 08:36.27 | qdb | pseudo header is just first string of mail |
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| 08:39.58 | nsadmin | darkelfjuggalo, talking directly to submit@ can be challenging; you have to get a lot of things right |
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| 08:42.07 | nsadmin | there are actually instructions on how to format bug reports... but my question would be, have you tried reportbug? |
| 08:42.24 | nsadmin | it does that and a few other things for you |
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| 08:43.38 | qdb | http://packages.debian.org/source/squeeze/eglibc has not update in 2012: see changelog link. same package of sid has update in 2012 : see changelog link in http://packages.debian.org/source/sid/eglibc . but i have squeeze and i have that update, why not same info on the site? i asked this today already. |
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| 08:45.53 | darkelfjuggalo | what is the current version of grub? |
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| 08:47.28 | ansgar | qdb: I guess nobody taught packages.debian.org about squeeze-updates. |
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| 08:47.44 | AlexC_ | G'morning |
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| 08:48.02 | AlexC_ | Could someone who runs mysql-server let me know the permissions set on their /var/lib/mysql directory please? |
| 08:48.11 | ansgar | qdb: And you don't have "that update" if you mean the version in sid. |
| 08:48.34 | Edifier | good evening |
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| 08:51.54 | darkelfjuggalo | well i can't seem to find an answer to my problem any way else |
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| 08:53.16 | AlexC_ | Has anyone else had issues with the recent mysql-server update, whereby /var/lib/mysql/mysql-bin.* files were created as root:root instead of mysql:mysql? |
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| 08:56.07 | MafProd | AlexC_: i just had |
| 08:56.30 | MafProd | somehow the permissions of the bin logs under /var/lib/mysql are set to root |
| 08:56.34 | AlexC_ | MafProd: Excellent (although not excellent too :P) I ran into this last night, and reported as http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=663000 |
| 08:57.01 | MafProd | from another console chown mysql: the bin logs when it tries to start, that worked for me |
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| 08:57.30 | AlexC_ | MafProd: Yep, that's what I've done - however have you tried running apt-get update/upgrade again? For me, it kills it again (because the package is still classed as not configured or similar) |
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| 08:58.07 | AlexC_ | MafProd: If you wouldn't mind, could you also reply to that bug report to say you've experienced the same and some more details if possible? |
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| 08:58.26 | MafProd | i did the chown during the run of apt-get, and now it indicates the update worked when i run it |
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| 08:59.11 | AlexC_ | Interesting, I'll try that |
| 08:59.13 | MafProd | AlexC_: i will add to the bug report |
| 08:59.22 | AlexC_ | Thank you :) |
| 08:59.34 | ws2k3 | wehat is the difference between priority and nice ? |
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| 09:01.11 | darkelfjuggalo | nsadmin do you have another idea to submit this bug regarding the Failure of installing GRUB? |
| 09:03.00 | Edifier | ws2k3,the nice value is smaller,then the priority is hight |
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| 09:10.46 | kallisti | $ java --version |
| 09:10.47 | kallisti | Unrecognized option: --version |
| 09:10.48 | kallisti | Could not create the Java virtual machine. |
| 09:10.54 | kallisti | any idea what this is about? |
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| 09:11.29 | TechDesk | [root@ArchLinux ~]# java -version |
| 09:11.30 | TechDesk | java version "1.7.0_03-icedtea" |
| 09:11.30 | TechDesk | OpenJDK Runtime Environment (IcedTea7 2.1) (ArchLinux build 7.b147_2.1-3-x86_64) |
| 09:11.30 | TechDesk | OpenJDK 64-Bit Server VM (build 22.0-b10, mixed mode) |
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| 09:12.09 | kallisti | TechDesk: I'm assuming ArchLinux is a Debian box? :P |
| 09:12.23 | TechDesk | :) |
| 09:13.04 | kallisti | ...I'm guessing I'm just missing a package or something? |
| 09:13.17 | kallisti | or need to configure something. |
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| 09:15.39 | impaktor | kallisti: no, use -version not --version. |
| 09:16.07 | impaktor | using SUSE at the moment :) |
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| 09:18.32 | kallisti | impaktor: huh, okay. |
| 09:20.01 | rical_ | ws2k3: it depends on the kernel version and scheduler but nice applies to processes with the same priority, indicating how much the process is willing to yield towards others with the same priority |
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| 09:22.07 | impaktor | kallisti: on my system java -version works, but not java --version. Just saying... |
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| 09:23.52 | kallisti | impaktor: yes that was the problem |
| 09:24.04 | kallisti | though -jar didn't work either, unitl I installed openjdk 7 |
| 09:24.13 | kallisti | or, it could have been a number of things I installed. |
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| 09:29.25 | ciccio | salve,sono profano e voglio capire come si scrica,grazie anticipatamente |
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| 09:31.31 | ciccio | non capisco aiuto |
| 09:32.01 | ciccio | voglio scaricare un film,cosa fare? |
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| 09:33.09 | ciccio | si |
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| 09:33.34 | themill | !it |
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| 09:35.16 | ciccio | cosa fare ora |
| 09:35.38 | ciccio | voglio scaricare un film a caso |
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| 09:41.55 | qdb | ansgar, "qdb: And you don't have "that update" if you mean the version in sid" you mean version in sid is another even if has same version number? |
| 09:42.29 | ansgar | qdb: It has a different version number. |
| 09:42.43 | danielito | anyone running compiz with a sandybridge chipset and the intel (i915) driver successfully? |
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| 09:43.54 | qdb | ansgar, fresh version in sid is 2.11.3-3 ? |
| 09:44.19 | qdb | it is 2.11.3-3 in stable |
| 09:45.19 | ansgar | qdb: And where do you see '2.11.3-3' on http://packages.debian.org/source/sid/eglibc which you mentioned earlier? |
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| 09:45.59 | qdb | ansgar, indeed , it is totally other number |
| 09:46.11 | qdb | 2.13 |
| 09:46.16 | qdb | 2.13.... |
| 09:46.56 | themill | danielito: as a general rule, for sandybridge chips, you'll want a newer xorg and a newer kernel, both of which are available from backports.debian.org. /msg dpkg bdo kernel; /msg dpkg bdo xorg |
| 09:47.35 | danielito | themill: you mean newer than the default ones in wheezy? |
| 09:48.08 | themill | oh... the usual assumption in #debian is that you are running stable unless you state otherwise. No, the ones in wheezy should be fine. |
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| 09:50.06 | qdb | i said : "i think there must be a tool in live cd that checks all hash sums of all files and packages with what is written in repo, i mean, it should be able to work with debian installed on hdd" it will need to download some packages, to be sure that hashes in var lib dpkg info are same as in the package. so there should be hashes of individual files in network or md5sums files of packages should be in separate files, so that package need not to be download |
| 09:50.06 | qdb | ed if it is not in apt cache |
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| 09:50.46 | themill | that sounds a lot like what apt does. Perhaps you should use apt. |
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| 09:50.56 | danielito | themill: ooops. as I see. thx though. |
| 09:50.59 | qdb | themill, you say to me? |
| 09:51.05 | qdb | no ok |
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| 09:51.23 | Spami | hello |
| 09:51.49 | qdb | hello |
| 09:52.25 | Spami | I was doing an aptitude install post if when my crappy internet connection broke and now i've this error when I run the command again: E: Could not get lock /var/lock/aptitude - open (11: Resource temporarily unavailable) |
| 09:52.31 | Spami | how can I fix it ? |
| 09:53.24 | qdb | may be aptitude is running and you should kill it? try find it with ps or top |
| 09:53.30 | impaktor | If I install windows after having installed grub, the MBR gets rewritten. How can I re-install grub? Is it enough to just do a backup of MBR prior to installing windows, using dd? |
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| 09:53.53 | qdb | Spami, ^ |
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| 09:54.29 | Spami | qdb, yep thank |
| 09:54.43 | qdb | Spami, ps aux|grep aptitude |
| 09:55.24 | qdb | as i know aux is like deprecated parameter, do you know what params to use .. |
| 09:55.46 | Spami | well I killed all the process |
| 09:55.56 | Spami | but I still have an error due to exim4 |
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| 09:56.41 | qdb | no seems aux is fine |
| 09:57.07 | Spami | I still have this error: debconf: DbDriver "config": /var/cache/debconf/config.dat is locked by another process: Resource temporarily unavailable |
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| 09:57.50 | qdb | Spami, indeed i dis not know that killing aptitude is safe way ) |
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| 09:58.48 | qdb | but somebody could correct my suggestion... |
| 09:58.50 | Spami | yep |
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| 09:59.40 | qdb | where do you see exim4 |
| 10:01.09 | Spami | http://pastebin.com/FiB3tD8f |
| 10:02.21 | Edifier | do you try to reboot? |
| 10:03.16 | Spami | i don't rebbot |
| 10:03.25 | Spami | **reboot |
| 10:03.55 | Spami | *don't try to |
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| 10:05.27 | qdb | Spami, may be there is command to know out which which process uses that file |
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| 10:09.39 | mns` | which one is the default init system in debian wheezy? systemd? |
| 10:10.21 | abdelkhalak | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:18.08 | joar | every time I boot my laptop it tries to negotiate DHCP, right after networking initialization. |
| 10:18.13 | joar | I feel this is unnecessary when I don't have it plugged into a LAN. |
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| 10:21.00 | thewanderer1 | joar, do you have eth0 (or whatever iface that is) defined in /etc/network/interfaces? if it's set to "auto", then that's supposed to happen with that setting |
| 10:21.46 | joar | auto eth0 |
| 10:21.52 | joar | iface eth0 inet dhcp |
| 10:22.10 | joar | thewanderer1: ^^ those two rows, in that order, at the end of the file |
| 10:22.33 | thewanderer1 | yeah... change auto to allow-hotplug |
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| 10:23.09 | joar | allow-hotplug eth0 |
| 10:23.16 | thewanderer1 | right |
| 10:23.19 | joar | iface eth0 inet dhcp |
| 10:23.31 | thewanderer1 | if the behaviour still persists, you'll have to resort to ifplugd or network-manager, whichever seems less scary, cause I'm not 100% sure of that solution... |
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| 10:23.53 | joar | thewanderer1: I'll get back here if it doesn't work. |
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| 10:24.20 | joar | To joke around a bit, I will repeat in Liam Neeson's words "I will find you, and I will kill you." |
| 10:24.50 | joar | but for the moment, I will presume it works, so, thank you very much thewanderer1 :) |
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| 10:25.12 | joar | (noted the info about ifplugd/network-manager, thanks again :) |
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| 10:26.07 | DelTree | is there a way to write a wireless line in /etc/network/interfaces so that it does not do dhcp if it fails to connect to wlan ? |
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| 10:26.57 | joar | DelTree: Is this also at startup? I didn't know networking did that. |
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| 10:27.59 | DelTree | joar: yup... I had to drop the "auto wlan0" line not to get mad... ^_^ |
| 10:28.29 | fas3r | Helllo |
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| 10:28.49 | joar | DelTree: I don't have any wlan0 lines in my /etc/network/interfaces, it might be your solution. |
| 10:28.55 | DelTree | joar: it finds no network it can connect to... but no matter what, does dhcp... |
| 10:29.19 | DelTree | joar: and how to you connect to wireless, then ? |
| 10:29.25 | fas3r | do i have to give each log file name in logrotate or i can just write something like : /var/log/httpd/*.log ? |
| 10:29.29 | joar | DelTree: From my gnome network manager. |
| 10:29.39 | DelTree | joar: I'm *not* using gnome... |
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| 10:30.15 | joar | DelTree: There much be equivalents for other platforms. |
| 10:30.24 | joar | s/much/may/ |
| 10:30.59 | joar | DelTree: ip up wlan0 may work too |
| 10:31.36 | joar | well, that isn't a real commad, but something along those lines. |
| 10:32.16 | DelTree | I'm using ifup wlan0 manually... but I'd want it do say "no wireless network, giving up"... instead of "no wireless network, let's have a dhcp timeout"... |
| 10:32.47 | joar | DelTree: eth0 does the same with no network cable attached |
| 10:33.01 | joar | it feels unnecessary. |
| 10:33.07 | DelTree | joar: true also... |
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| 10:34.04 | joar | some info on allow-hotplug: http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2007/07/msg00375.html |
| 10:34.08 | DelTree | (why is tkdiff only missing in testing ?) |
| 10:34.22 | joar | perhaps there's an allow-hotplug for wlan0 too, might be worth looking into |
| 10:34.47 | joar | DelTree: probably because it hasn't been repackaged with the new deps |
| 10:34.55 | joar | or the deps have disappeared |
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| 10:37.44 | DelTree | seems to me a fresh testing install must be quite incomplete... |
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| 10:38.42 | DelTree | (tkdiff is not the first thing I'm surprised not to find in testing)... |
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| 10:39.14 | abdelkhalak | hello! anyone here using squeeze and the graphics card intel i810 and experienced xserver hanging? |
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| 11:04.17 | mattfury | hello |
| 11:04.26 | mattfury | im installing debian squeeze on android |
| 11:04.37 | mattfury | im wondering whats libpam0g? |
| 11:04.55 | N3M35I5 | hey guys, ive got a dual core debian system but virtualbox will only allow my xp vm access 1 core. Is this natual? |
| 11:05.50 | Kamping_Kaiser | mattfury: `apt-cache show $PACKAGE` will tell you about it |
| 11:06.23 | mattfury | well its installing now so :/ |
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| 11:10.00 | Edifier | N3M35I5, you should select vt when creat your xp,if still have problem ,then reboot,and check your bios ,open the vt funtion |
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| 11:24.56 | mattfury | im trying to get libpam0g but its not retrieving it |
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| 11:25.22 | HJE841 | How do you figure out the RAID configuration of a server running squeezy if you just sat down with it knowing nothing ? |
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| 11:32.17 | HJE841 | anybody? |
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| 11:34.05 | MichelleZ | HJE841, you could start with a cat /proc/mdstat to look at the raid state |
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| 11:35.28 | HJE841 | MichelleZ, thanks |
| 11:35.30 | MichelleZ | mdadm --detail /dev/md0 would also tell you a lot |
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| 11:39.19 | ronny | hi |
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| 11:39.37 | ronny | can someone explain why apache is part of gnome-desktop? |
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| 11:40.35 | sharpK | hey guys, just installed a debian (first time)... wondering what's the best way for me to set up multiple monitors (1 desk monitor + HDMI to TV)...? |
| 11:41.14 | ronny | sharpK: modern desktop envs do autodetect that stuff, and you can just configure in the options |
| 11:41.19 | ronny | sharpK: what env do you use? |
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| 11:41.46 | sharpK | ronny excuse the ignorance, but env? |
| 11:42.01 | ronny | environment |
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| 11:42.13 | ronny | like gnome/kde/xfce |
| 11:43.01 | sharpK | hmm, just installed the netinst image for debian 6.0.4 amd64 |
| 11:43.10 | sharpK | not familiar with its packages yet... |
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| 11:43.37 | sharpK | does it default to one of those, because I don't recall selecting one manually...? |
| 11:43.44 | joker_ | hi people, I know there is a desktop environment that makes you managing more terminals (such as terminator does)...i can't remember the name of this desktop env...do you? |
| 11:43.51 | HJE841 | it seems like I have two: md0 - RAID1 and md1 - RAID5. now md0 is (auto-read-only) but has a small part of all the 4 discs in the server. could I just replace one disk without any damage? |
| 11:44.09 | sharpK | ronny I think it's GNOME (was in the about section) |
| 11:44.11 | ronny | joker_: xmonad or some o ther tiling wm? |
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| 11:44.49 | joker_ | <ronny> is xmonad a desktop enviroment, such as gnome or xfce? |
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| 11:45.07 | ronny | joker_: its just a window manager |
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| 11:45.20 | ronny | im not aware of a whole env thats like that |
| 11:46.21 | obiwahn | sharpK: i depends a bit if you have a nvidida card or not and if you use the closed source driver |
| 11:46.23 | ronny | joker_: basically if you have gnome/kde/xfce running, you should be able to just set your stuff in the monitors settings |
| 11:46.37 | sharpK | obiwahn I do have an nvidia card... |
| 11:46.38 | HJE841 | MichelleZ, did you get my last? |
| 11:47.14 | obiwahn | then look a the documentationthat comes with the driver |
| 11:47.30 | obiwahn | i am quite happy with my xinerama setup |
| 11:47.57 | joker_ | uhm no...it should be a desktop env "based" on a terminals-windows manager...I remember I used it but I ust can't remember the name:( |
| 11:48.47 | obiwahn | mabye you should ty noveau first |
| 11:49.08 | ronny | joker_: afair ratpoison is based on screen |
| 11:49.27 | obiwahn | sharpK: if you do not like it because it is not fast enough or whatever you can use my xorg.conf to create you own:) |
| 11:49.59 | sharpK | I'll take a gander, thanks obiwahn. Most of this code is very unfamiliar to me so I'll have to skim and see if I can sort it out... |
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| 11:50.19 | obiwahn | sharpK: the file looks a bit ugly like that you should use a tabstop of 4 |
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| 11:50.54 | obiwahn | the importeant section is the nvidia dualhead |
| 11:51.25 | obiwahn | and the default server layout |
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| 11:52.25 | MichelleZ | HJE841, in theory yes, i believe you need to mark that drive as faulty and remove it from the array, then add a new one in and hot add it to the array but i'm not an expert |
| 11:52.27 | joker_ | ronny: ok, thank you! bye |
| 11:52.38 | sharpK | what is the ifconfig/ipconfig equivalent in debian? |
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| 11:52.59 | petemc | sharpK: ifconfig works, you can use ip as well |
| 11:53.38 | sharpK | petemc ifconfig returns "bash: ifconfig: command not found"... |
| 11:53.45 | petemc | sharpK: /sbin/ifconfig |
| 11:54.04 | sharpK | petemc that one worked thanks |
| 11:54.07 | petemc | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:54.28 | sharpK | out of curiousity, how do I add it to my user's $PATH? |
| 11:55.30 | obiwahn | export PATH="$PATH":/bin/sbin |
| 11:55.39 | obiwahn | but you should not do that |
| 11:55.58 | sharpK | I see... |
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| 11:56.45 | obiwahn | it would belong in your .profile .bash_profile file in your home |
| 11:56.48 | HJE841 | MichelleZ, okay. I'm just running through dmesg and a it seems like a data check of md1 fails |
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| 11:57.31 | MichelleZ | HJE841, all i can say is ensure you have a backup *now* of eveything before you tinker with the array at all then plan exactly what you are going to do, and study the man page on mdadm |
| 11:58.22 | HJE841 | MichelleZ, trust me, I will ;) |
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| 12:07.35 | obiwahn | sharpK: most people use somethin like export PATH="~/.bin:$PATH" to have a place where they can drop their own scripts in there home dir |
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| 12:07.35 | obiwahn | if you use that you could link the ifconfig command to that new dir .bin in you home |
| 12:07.35 | skilz | Im trying to ftp to my server as root but not working how can I make it work? |
| 12:07.35 | HJE841 | what pastebin do you use in here? |
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| 12:07.35 | obiwahn | the command would be: ln -s /sbin/ifconfig /home/$USER/.bin |
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| 12:07.35 | obiwahn | http://paste.debian.net/ |
| 12:07.35 | sharpK | obiwahn, noted, thank you |
| 12:07.35 | obiwahn | HJE841: but any you like i guess |
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| 12:07.35 | obiwahn | skilz: you shouln't do that |
| 12:07.35 | skilz | what file can I edit? |
| 12:07.36 | skilz | obiwahn, I know I shouldn't but I want to :) |
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| 12:07.36 | obiwahn | use scp |
| 12:07.36 | skilz | no |
| 12:07.44 | skilz | I have to copy lots of folders containing lots of files |
| 12:07.47 | obiwahn | sftp:) |
| 12:07.50 | obiwahn | so |
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| 12:08.00 | skilz | no |
| 12:08.04 | obiwahn | use blowfish |
| 12:08.06 | skilz | How do I ftp as root? |
| 12:08.12 | obiwahn | you don't |
| 12:08.17 | skilz | yes |
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| 12:08.59 | skilz | Please just answer my question. |
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| 12:11.55 | obiwahn | try scp -c none |
| 12:12.16 | obiwahn | then the data is not encrypted but the password at least |
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| 12:13.19 | visof | can i know when my system is installed? |
| 12:13.23 | sharpK | why do I not have an xorg.conf file in /etc/X11/ ? |
| 12:13.46 | obiwahn | sharpK: the system should autodetect everything |
| 12:13.53 | obiwahn | which works well in most cases |
| 12:14.00 | sharpK | and if my TV out (hdmi) does not show up? |
| 12:14.32 | sharpK | it is coming out of an nVidia card... |
| 12:14.35 | obiwahn | well then autodection has failed and you should write your own xorg.conf |
| 12:14.40 | MichelleZ | sharpK, you can generate a default xorg.conf file if necessary then you can make changes |
| 12:14.47 | visof | can anyone help me please ? |
| 12:14.57 | obiwahn | most nvidia cards do not support more than 2 screens at a time with a ingle card |
| 12:15.08 | obiwahn | visof: what is your question |
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| 12:15.23 | sharpK | well, I would only be running 2 screens (monitor + TV) |
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| 12:15.35 | obiwahn | skilz: http://www.psc.edu/networking/projects/hpn-ssh/ |
| 12:15.36 | visof | obiwahn: when my Debian is installed or even first run? |
| 12:15.50 | skilz | I have a good nvidia card with vga, dvi and hdmi so I can have 3 monitors plugged in :) |
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| 12:16.06 | themill | visof: /var/log/installer/ |
| 12:16.09 | obiwahn | skilz: and can you use all of them at the same time? |
| 12:16.35 | HJE841 | What is your take on these errors from dmesg? http://paste.debian.net/158958/ A reboot forces fdisk on the RAID array and fixes the errors, but they keep coming back |
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| 12:16.44 | skilz | obiwahn, fuck yeah |
| 12:16.48 | obiwahn | nice:) |
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| 12:17.15 | skilz | with nvidia-settings |
| 12:17.47 | Oniklus | is there something similar for linux as pageant on windows? |
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| 12:18.13 | Oniklus | pageant automatically enters the decryption key of your private key when connecting to an ssh server |
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| 12:20.08 | obiwahn | sharpK: xrandr -q |
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| 12:20.17 | obiwahn | should list all avialbe screens |
| 12:20.44 | sharpK | yeah, it only sees the VGA as connected, then two ports (DVI-I and DVI-d) as disconnected |
| 12:20.47 | sharpK | does not show HDMI.... |
| 12:21.05 | sharpK | but I assume one of those DVIs is the HDMI |
| 12:21.08 | obiwahn | which driver are you using? |
| 12:21.09 | themill | Oniklus: ssh-agent (gpg-agent, keychain, gnome-keyring...) |
| 12:21.15 | Oniklus | themill: thanks |
| 12:21.19 | sharpK | because there is only a DVI, a VGA, and an HDMI port on the card... |
| 12:21.33 | obiwahn | Oniklus: you can take a look at pam ssh |
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| 12:22.23 | obiwahn | in /etc/pam.d you can enable auto unlocking of your key iif the pasword is the same as your accounts pw |
| 12:22.38 | obiwahn | or you have to supply to passwords at login time if you use diferent |
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| 12:23.05 | obiwahn | i think using pam is the most comfortable solution to use ssh-agent |
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| 12:23.20 | Oniklus | obiwahn: sounds interesting. thanks for the information |
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| 12:24.16 | obiwahn | Oniklus: http://pam-ssh.sourceforge.net/ |
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| 12:26.02 | obiwahn | /usr/share/doc/libpam-ssh/README.Debian |
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| 12:27.18 | obiwahn | Oniklus: be a bit carful so that you do not lock yourself aout of the system when messing with pam:P |
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| 12:28.20 | obiwahn | there are packages as ssh-askpass-gnome etc around:) |
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| 12:29.05 | sKeiths | is there a gdebi equivelent for rpm? |
| 12:29.25 | obiwahn | what is gdebi? |
| 12:29.39 | obiwahn | apt? |
| 12:29.51 | Oniklus | obiwahn: will remember that |
| 12:29.58 | sKeiths | gui based .deb installer, right click send to gdebi, and i takes care of the rest |
| 12:31.10 | obiwahn | mmh i use dpkg and apt onl but maybe you want aptitude |
| 12:32.11 | obiwahn | aptitude-gtk |
| 12:33.24 | obiwahn | apt-cache show synaptic |
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| 12:37.51 | jelly | obiwahn: gdebi deals with .deb files more than repositories. Basically a nice GUI handler for people that click on .deb packages willy-nilly |
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| 12:40.38 | NishaKitty | is anyone familar with what sets /etc/debian_version |
| 12:40.55 | NishaKitty | if I happen to install a sid package just it just add /sid |
| 12:41.27 | obiwahn | no |
| 12:41.55 | ansgar | NishaKitty: dpkg -S /etc/debian_version |
| 12:41.55 | obiwahn | you add the sid repo to your sources.list |
| 12:43.10 | NishaKitty | ansgar: still says wheezy/sid |
| 12:43.14 | NishaKitty | but I don't have any sid packages |
| 12:43.15 | sharpK | how can I "exit x" so that I can install an nvidia proprietry driver...? |
| 12:43.19 | NishaKitty | I checked with synaptic |
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| 12:43.45 | NishaKitty | I did have iceweasel from sid but the versions became the same between wheezy/sid iirc |
| 12:43.51 | obiwahn | sorry NishaKitty i missread your quesion:) |
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| 12:44.17 | thewanderer1 | sharpK, apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-kernel-dkms and don't touch the nvidia.com script with a 10-foot pole. |
| 12:44.35 | sharpK | thewanderer1 first timer, thanks for the heads up... |
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| 12:45.25 | NishaKitty | ansgar: btw lsb_release -a mentions nothing of sid |
| 12:47.11 | sharpK | hmm returns "no installation candidate".... |
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| 12:53.09 | thewanderer1 | sharpK, so enable non-free and contrib in sources.list |
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| 12:54.41 | sharpK | thewanderer1 I found sources.list in /etc/apt, how do I enable non-free and contrib? |
| 12:55.06 | thewanderer1 | !tell sharpK about non-free |
| 12:56.46 | sKeiths | i have iceweasel 3.5 and it wont update to new version, do i seek help here or in firefox help? |
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| 12:58.08 | ansgar | NishaKitty: It's just a file contained in the packages that dpkg -S told you. |
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| 12:58.59 | sharpK | how do I edit sources.list (literally, it won't let me add text)... |
| 12:59.21 | Oniklus | sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 12:59.31 | jelly | sKeiths, which Debian release do you have installed? |
| 12:59.31 | Oniklus | or su; nano /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 12:59.39 | sKeiths | squeeze |
| 12:59.58 | Oniklus | sharpK: you must have the proper rights |
| 12:59.58 | robokop | sharpK: you need to be priviliged (be root) to do that, so use su or sudo to become root |
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| 13:00.30 | sharpK | thanks, that opens it within the terminal and I can't see the contents of the files, can I su/sudo open it with an editor? |
| 13:01.10 | sKeiths | i tried adding mozilla to sources but it errors out with a W: GPG error: ..... NO_PUBKEY |
| 13:01.15 | Oniklus | you can do sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 13:01.33 | sharpK | 0niklus, thanks... |
| 13:01.42 | jelly | hello, what is the Proper Way to make bash /bin/sh in squeeze? |
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| 13:02.30 | XanKriegor | Hello |
| 13:02.31 | NishaKitty | ansgar: I found /etc/issue is what is being used to get version |
| 13:02.38 | jelly | I have broken vendor scripts that use bashisms and to simple way to fix and manage them. |
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| 13:02.41 | XanKriegor | I have problems playing a sound using aplay on my soundcard |
| 13:02.47 | XanKriegor | Anyone have some experiences with alsa? |
| 13:02.50 | NishaKitty | ansgar: better question what qualifies as your version is it what you have in sources.list or installed packages |
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| 13:03.10 | Oniklus | jelly: usermod -s /bin/sh <user> I am guessing |
| 13:03.25 | NishaKitty | for example I have no installed packages from sid but I do have sid in sources.list so am I on wheezy/sid or wheezy |
| 13:03.51 | jelly | Oniklus: you are guessing wrong. |
| 13:04.36 | jelly | Oniklus: I need the symlink /bin/sh to be /bin/sh -> bash again. |
| 13:05.16 | Oniklus | remove it and create a new one? ln -s /bin/sh /bin/bash |
| 13:05.21 | robokop | jelly: dpkg-reconfigure dash; from http://wiki.debian.org/DashAsBinSh |
| 13:05.26 | thewanderer1 | jelly, I suppose a dpkg-divert is in order |
| 13:05.31 | thewanderer1 | aha, that too |
| 13:06.40 | jelly | robokop wins! |
| 13:06.47 | jelly | thanks, all |
| 13:06.47 | robokop | yay |
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| 13:07.47 | jelly | said vendor sadly supports "Debian 3.1" in their latest release, which, I'm afraid, we're not going to use as a platform |
| 13:08.21 | colo-work | an oldie but goldie! |
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| 13:10.07 | __gilles | hi |
| 13:12.08 | sharpK | think I installed the nvidia tools with that big apt-get line, how do I open up the control panel for it? |
| 13:12.55 | jelly | sharpK: (install and) start nvidia-settings |
| 13:15.18 | sharpK | jelly thanks, do know how I would "restart the x server"? |
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| 13:15.57 | jelly | sharpK: just log out of the current X (Gnome/KDE/XFCE/...) session |
| 13:16.15 | jelly | that stops the current X server and starts a new one |
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| 13:16.46 | thewanderer1 | uhh, I think you need to restart KDM or GDM to reload the config |
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| 13:18.30 | sharpK | well, it did let me somehow finally load the x server settings.... now if I can only figure out how to set overscan for my TV.... |
| 13:19.03 | sharpK | oops, there was a settings all along... |
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| 13:23.20 | jelly | I prefer my pixels intact if possible |
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| 13:23.50 | jelly | this LG TV I have does that _if_ the relevant hdmi input is named "PC" |
| 13:24.53 | sharpK | couldn't find any settings on the actual TV (panasonic) , so I have to use the overscan, text looks terrible and it isn't usable for desktops, but I just want to run XBMC on that screen... |
| 13:25.08 | sharpK | which I can hopefully now figure out how to do :) |
| 13:25.17 | obiwahn | NishaKitty: i your question answered? |
| 13:25.35 | sharpK | so far, so good though. Been, perhaps, less intuitive than ubuntu but much smoother.... |
| 13:25.47 | obiwahn | NishaKitty: afaik there is no seperate version for testing |
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| 13:26.32 | obiwahn | so sid will appear in the file |
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| 13:27.53 | NishaKitty | obiwahn: nvm I figured it all out |
| 13:27.58 | obiwahn | ok:) |
| 13:28.08 | obiwahn | like ii have sid and the same string:) |
| 13:28.15 | NishaKitty | obiwahn: yeah |
| 13:28.20 | NishaKitty | it's defined by base_files |
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| 13:28.38 | sharpK | anyone know if I can apt-get the newest xbmc eden beta? |
| 13:28.41 | NishaKitty | leeny has 5.0 for it squeeze has 6.0 and wheezy and sid just get wheezy/sid |
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| 13:28.51 | NishaKitty | makes sense now |
| 13:29.21 | abrotman | NishaKitty: FWIW, that will change prior to release |
| 13:29.31 | NishaKitty | abrotman: nod |
| 13:29.39 | NishaKitty | like I said I get how it works now |
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| 13:30.07 | NishaKitty | i thought something eas setting those files but they just come in a package |
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| 13:35.20 | abrotman | NishaKitty: in base-files IIRC |
| 13:35.44 | NishaKitty | abrotman: yeah it is I checked them that's how I figured it out |
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| 13:37.29 | sharpK | which home theater software would work best on debian? |
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| 13:40.18 | ninjers | sharpK: xbmc? |
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| 13:45.14 | sharpK | ninjers: know the apt-get for the latest eden beta> |
| 13:45.15 | sharpK | ? |
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| 13:47.58 | ninjers | xbmc packages are in the debian-multimedia repo and i have no idea if they have eden packages. |
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| 13:49.57 | sharpK | ninjers, right, I added the line for squeeze into my sources.list, but what now? how do I install it...? (new to all this) |
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| 13:51.29 | ninjers | sudo apt-get install xbmc -- make sure you have the wheeze repo in your sources.list so you can get beta3 |
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| 13:51.45 | sharpK | even if I am on squeeze? |
| 13:53.01 | majd | Hi #debian - i'm on debian 6, and i'm trying to install PostgreSQL, but i get the error: E: Failed to fetch http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/p/postgresql-8.4/libpq5_8.4.8-0squeeze2_i386.deb: 404 Not Found [IP: 128.30.2.36 80] |
| 13:53.15 | majd | i'm very new to Debian, what should i be doing? |
| 13:53.50 | ninjers | sharpK: http://jaqque.sbih.org/kplug/apt-pinning.html check this out so you can do like sudo apt-get -t wheezy install xbmc but still only update with stable packages |
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| 13:54.58 | ansgar | majd: You might want to update first. |
| 13:55.05 | jpinx_ | majd: use apt-get |
| 13:55.21 | movl | majd: aptitude update |
| 13:55.43 | jpinx_ | majd: check your sources.list |
| 13:56.10 | Argafal | could someone please suggest a filesystem for my storage array? It's 3 TB in total, 4x1 TB in RAID 5, Hardware RAID with Write-back, battery-backed up on the controller. I tested the real-life application on xfs, ext4 and ext3 with heavy I/O load, performance is identical for all three so not a criteria. |
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| 13:56.47 | Argafal | Most files that will be held are on the order of one megabyte (and then plenty and more of those) |
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| 13:56.49 | ansgar | majd: If apt still looks for libpq5_8.4.8-0squeeze2, I suspect you did not update since ~November when a newer version appeared in the security archive. So you might also have been missing a few security updates. |
| 13:56.52 | movl | Argafal: depends on your scenario, I guess |
| 13:56.58 | jpinx_ | Argafal: from comments I've seen possible ext4 |
| 13:57.03 | majd | ansgar: i'm afraid of breaking my apache installation. When i did aptitude update yesterday, mod_wsgi went crazy... |
| 13:57.15 | Argafal | movl: writing a big bunch of files, each about one megabyte in size. |
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| 13:57.25 | jpinx_ | majd: definitely check your sources.list |
| 13:57.40 | movl | Argafal: people used to say reiserfs is good for something like that |
| 13:57.43 | majd | jpinx_: where can i find that? |
| 13:57.47 | movl | majd: http://debgen.simplylinux.ch/ |
| 13:58.04 | jpinx_ | majd: cat /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 13:58.12 | sharpK | ninjers: thanks, tried the apt-get install xbmc but I got some depends, added them to the apt-get and I got even more depends (big list).... |
| 13:58.50 | sharpK | there a way to install thema ll? |
| 13:58.51 | majd | movl: that's an *awesome* tool. Thanks |
| 13:59.00 | movl | no probs |
| 13:59.03 | sharpK | some say "but it is not installable"... |
| 13:59.14 | majd | jpinx_: should i add all the sources? even contrib? |
| 13:59.34 | jpinx_ | majd: depends what you want |
| 13:59.48 | majd | apt-get install binutils libgdal1-1.5.0 postgresql-8.3 \ postgresql-8.3-postgis postgresql-server-dev-8.3 \ python-psycopg2 python-setuptools |
| 13:59.53 | majd | are the packages i need |
| 13:59.54 | jpinx_ | majd: you can add them and comment them out till you really need them |
| 14:00.17 | majd | I need to install the packages listed on here: https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/dev/ref/contrib/gis/install/#ubuntudebian |
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| 14:01.17 | jpinx_ | sharpK: you need to check your sources list too . I believe ;) |
| 14:01.37 | sharpK | jpinx_: check it for what? |
| 14:03.01 | jpinx_ | sharpK: is xbmc in main ? |
| 14:04.26 | sharpK | jpinx_ not sure exactly what that means...? |
| 14:04.47 | jpinx | main contrib non-free |
| 14:05.28 | sharpK | the debian-multimedia.org wheezy is, yes. (main contrib non-free) |
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| 14:06.20 | xsergio | Hi, is it possible to run KVM and Xen under the same host on debian squeeze? |
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| 14:07.16 | ansgar | majd: There's no postgresql-8.3 in Squeeze. |
| 14:08.45 | majd | ansgar: i think i can use the most recent version of postgresql - i'm using postgresql 9 on my dev machine (osx) and i'm not having any problems |
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| 14:12.28 | jelly | :O |
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| 14:15.08 | movl | majd: are you on stable? |
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| 14:16.27 | majd | movl: i'm pretty sure, yes. I just got this server from linode, i just got the login info a few mins ago from a client |
| 14:16.39 | movl | cat /etc/issue |
| 14:17.04 | majd | movl: Debian GNU/Linux 6.0 \n \l |
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| 14:17.12 | movl | that's stable |
| 14:17.15 | movl | ok |
| 14:17.31 | movl | if you need Postgres 9.x, try backports |
| 14:18.21 | majd | movl: i just need any version of Postgres for now |
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| 14:18.36 | majd | i updated the sources.list, still getting this error: E: Failed to fetch http://security.debian.org/pool/updates/main/p/postgresql-8.4/libpq5_8.4.7-0squeeze2_i386.deb: 404 Not Found [IP: 195.20.242.89 80] |
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| 14:19.14 | phlogisto | Does anyone know of an elegant and safe way for bash script to get its own absolute path? I'd like the script to work on linux and osx terminals. |
| 14:19.48 | abrotman | phlogisto: did you ask #bash ? |
| 14:20.13 | phlogisto | abrotman: yeah, I forgot about that chanel x) |
| 14:20.20 | phlogisto | I asked now. |
| 14:21.37 | movl | majd: what command do you type, exactly? |
| 14:22.02 | majd | movl: aptitude install postgresql |
| 14:22.18 | movl | and....after every alteration of sources.list, you must do 'aptitude update' |
| 14:22.19 | abrotman | majd: did you aptitude update first? |
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| 14:22.33 | abrotman | movl: more often than that |
| 14:22.53 | movl | of course |
| 14:22.55 | movl | :) |
| 14:23.00 | abrotman | depending which version of Debian you use, could be muliptle times a day |
| 14:23.15 | movl | abrotman: he's on stable |
| 14:23.31 | abrotman | and what? |
| 14:23.35 | majd | abrotman: i'm afraid of updating, yesterday i did update but something went wrong and my apache installation with mod_wsgi stopped working |
| 14:23.42 | abrotman | you think security.debian.org only updates once per day? |
| 14:23.52 | abrotman | majd: you don't have a choice |
| 14:23.58 | movl | abrotman: yeah, good point |
| 14:24.07 | abrotman | oh, you do .. you could just not install pgsql |
| 14:24.29 | majd | abrotman movl: haha, that's not an option :) |
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| 14:25.03 | majd | would someone here be able to help me with mod_wsgi trouble if it breaks again? |
| 14:25.03 | movl | majd: update, then figure out how to fix wsgi, then install Postgres |
| 14:25.41 | movl | there are 1207 people here, someone is bound to be a web guru |
| 14:25.42 | abrotman | majd: you can't ignore security updates .. that's how people get cracked boxes |
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| 14:27.31 | boudiccas | whats the key presses to switch between desktops in gnome please on squeeze? my mouse is refusing to do it now although it moves between channels okay on irc |
| 14:27.36 | jelly | you can, however, look at the bugs fixed and make informed decisions, possibly ignoring fixes for stuff that's not exposed |
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| 14:28.27 | majd | movl abortman: let me try, brb |
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| 14:29.03 | boudiccas | i thought it was CTRL +F1 but that doesnt work |
| 14:29.48 | petemc | ctl alt right arrow |
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| 14:33.25 | boudiccas | ah thanks |
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| 14:35.32 | masterkorp | hello, can anyone point me to documentation on making deb packages ? |
| 14:36.49 | jelly | !tell masterkorp about nmg |
| 14:37.31 | LordDeath | there is a update for mysql packages in debian 6? |
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| 14:37.53 | masterkorp | jelly: thank you |
| 14:38.05 | masterkorp | blows jelly a kiss |
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| 14:38.13 | jelly | aww! |
| 14:38.26 | hke | hi folks. i have a dir i want to make accessible via apache2/webdav, i dont want to chown everything periodically, can i let apache access files that are not www-data:www-data? how? |
| 14:38.27 | Woet | LordDeath: yes |
| 14:38.46 | Oniklus | hke: yes, set the permissions for everyone |
| 14:38.52 | DammitJim | how does one launch a URL into a local browser from an ssh'd session to a server via terminal? |
| 14:38.56 | Woet | LordDeath: http://www.debian.org/security/2012/dsa-2429 |
| 14:39.05 | Oniklus | hke: you can set the users for the owner, group and everyone |
| 14:39.14 | Oniklus | the permissions* |
| 14:39.14 | hke | Oniklus: but that would be the only way, then? i had hoped for a apache option? |
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| 14:39.58 | Oniklus | hke: I am not sure. you can ask in #httpd |
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| 14:40.55 | hke | Oniklus: thanks so far. |
| 14:41.26 | Oniklus | but usually file permission take precedence over anything. so if there would be another solution it would still comply to this rule |
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| 14:41.31 | masterkorp | jelly: btw, is there any package with this manual offline ? |
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| 14:47.51 | jelly | masterkorp: dunno, apt-cache search new maintainer |
| 14:48.31 | jelly | ,info maint-guide |
| 14:48.32 | judd | Package maint-guide (doc, optional) in squeeze/i386: Debian New Maintainers' Guide. Version: 1.2.25; Size: 497.0k; Installed: 776k; Homepage: http://www.debian.org/doc/devel-manuals#maint-guide |
| 14:48.43 | jelly | sounds like that's it |
| 14:48.44 | masterkorp | judd: yeah its maint-guide |
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| 14:53.02 | Iridos | I have an infrared port on my laptop and tried to get that to work. According to windows drivers the hardware is SMCT010. I compiled the modules for 2.6.32 and can load lirc_sir or lirc_serial (with options), but mode2 on the lirc device produces no output... There's several BIOS-settings one can choose from for the IR-port, I think I tried most/all by now. |
| 14:53.14 | Iridos | Anything I can still try? |
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| 14:57.45 | Ethos_ | Hi! Poland? |
| 14:58.05 | Unngenant_ | I have problem |
| 14:58.06 | Unngenant_ | installation debian freeze on installer boot meny |
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| 14:58.14 | Unngenant_ | :( |
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| 15:01.30 | jelly | Iridos: give up; buy a known-good usr-ir thingy that works with lirc? |
| 15:01.34 | jelly | usb-ir* |
| 15:01.50 | Iridos | bah |
| 15:01.55 | Iridos | from what I read there is no such thing |
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| 15:02.39 | bellman | there are HP branded media center IR receivers on ebay for $10-20 that work great with lirc |
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| 15:04.37 | DammitJim | +1 bellman , Iridos ... I bought an IR receiver with a remote control for like $20 on ebay... I think they call them MCE remotes |
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| 15:05.18 | Iridos | oh well |
| 15:05.25 | Iridos | thank, will consider it |
| 15:05.43 | Iridos | you* |
| 15:06.03 | Iridos | but mainly was bit curious... don't really want another thingy lie round |
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| 15:07.16 | DammitJim | http://www.lirc.org/ Iridos anything here? |
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| 15:08.34 | elbing | anything about intel (i965) HD3000 on lenovo with kernel 3.2? still blank during boot |
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| 15:09.03 | elbing | looking around google, I cannot find any workaround abnout this issue |
| 15:09.22 | elbing | except boot with 3.1 kernel, of course |
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| 15:10.14 | Iridos | DammitJim, yeah... been there. Tried this&that and something else and now am at the stage where I start forgetting what I tried. Nice in principle is this http://tuxmobil.org/ir_misc.html |
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| 15:12.44 | DammitJim | Iridos, I would suggest getting the XBMC LIve cd and booting from it |
| 15:13.13 | DammitJim | then you can examine what you need to compile... any machine with IR that I have tried worked with XBMC and was taking in lirc commands from a remote |
| 15:13.26 | Iridos | hmm, interesting |
| 15:13.51 | Iridos | that sounds like I could give it a whirl... only want to read a couple of remotes |
| 15:14.05 | DammitJim | try it... you don't even have to install it |
| 15:14.17 | Iridos | DammitJim, thanks, will try that, else go with jellys advice and give up |
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| 15:14.37 | DammitJim | how old is this laptop? it's got to be fairly old if it has ir |
| 15:15.09 | Iridos | it is :) |
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| 15:15.42 | Iridos | dunno exactly anymore. Perhaps 2005 or 2006 |
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| 15:17.35 | Iridos | actually... I should be able to get the age from creation date of some files |
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| 15:18.31 | mick_laptop | hi everyone, I've been struggling w/ a broken X server after I did a distupgrade from squeeze to wheezy. I've installed the opensource nvidia driver neauteau or something like that. I was using the closed source driver before |
| 15:18.36 | klync | Iridos: you can see the bios release date with dmidecode |
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| 15:19.03 | mick_laptop | I've tried, Xorg -configure and also dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 15:19.31 | klync | mick_laptop: `grep EE /var/log/Xorg.log.0` (or whatever the log file is called) |
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| 15:20.10 | mick_laptop | it says that the number of screens don't match. anyway to remove the xorg.conf and have it autogenerate a new one? |
| 15:20.43 | klync | mick_laptop: sure, just rename it |
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| 15:22.10 | mick_laptop | klync: I just mv'ed it and did a startx to see what will happen. blank screen |
| 15:22.23 | Iridos | DammitJim, oh, /root/.profile is even from end of 2004 :D |
| 15:22.31 | Iridos | jup, it's old |
| 15:23.04 | klync | mick_laptop: you're not using a display manager to start x and login? |
| 15:23.13 | mick_laptop | ctrl+alt+f1 says: (EE) FBDEV(0): FBIOPUTCMAP: Invalid argument |
| 15:23.29 | mick_laptop | klync: not w/o a working xserver |
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| 15:24.07 | mick_laptop | ok, started gdm3 and same thing happens |
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| 15:24.17 | mick_laptop | oh, I see a blinking cursor |
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| 15:24.22 | mick_laptop | missed that |
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| 15:25.07 | klync | mick_laptop: not that i expected that to fix your prob, just trying to understand your setup .... try `dmesg | tail` or `dmesg | grep -i fb` to find kernel messages about your video driver |
| 15:25.32 | klync | mick_laptop: you *did* reboot after upgrading and re-installing your video driver, right? |
| 15:25.48 | mick_laptop | yup |
| 15:25.55 | mick_laptop | quite a number of times |
| 15:26.01 | klync | mick_laptop: i don't know the drivers you speak of, but i use the official nvidia ones and they work great, fwiw (non-free tho) |
| 15:26.17 | mick_laptop | I used it in squeeze w/o too many issues |
| 15:26.32 | mick_laptop | I just forgot how I set it up |
| 15:26.54 | mick_laptop | and my google-fu sucks w/o a decent browser |
| 15:27.20 | mick_laptop | no links/elinks/lynx/w3m are not decent browsers :P |
| 15:27.56 | mick_laptop | I'll try the closed source one again |
| 15:28.04 | mick_laptop | lsmod |
| 15:28.13 | mick_laptop | oops |
| 15:28.52 | klync | mick_laptop: i think you should also be able to get x working with a generic driver, like vesa |
| 15:29.15 | mick_laptop | klync: |
| 15:29.26 | mick_laptop | how would I do that? |
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| 15:30.43 | DammitJim | what do you mean, Iridos ? |
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| 15:30.50 | mick_laptop | wh |
| 15:30.51 | mick_laptop | en I |
| 15:30.53 | mick_laptop | cha |
| 15:30.56 | mick_laptop | n |
| 15:31.06 | mick_laptop | damned kb sucks |
| 15:31.09 | klync | mick_laptop: just unload the modules and load the generic one and try starting x that way ... should get you started and back into google |
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| 15:32.20 | movl | and lynx FTW :P |
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| 15:32.47 | mick_laptop | rmmod nouveau |
| 15:32.53 | mick_laptop | module is in use |
| 15:32.55 | mick_laptop | :( |
| 15:33.11 | movl | mick_laptop: modprobe -r |
| 15:33.15 | obiwahn | mick_laptop: that reminds me of my times with slink and potato aka spud:P |
| 15:33.30 | movl | rmmod and insmod are deprecated, IIRC |
| 15:33.31 | mick_laptop | same error |
| 15:33.45 | mick_laptop | oh, oops |
| 15:33.51 | mick_laptop | I didn't know that |
| 15:34.09 | movl | lsmod will tell you what's using the module |
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| 15:34.15 | mick_laptop | well, I hear ifconfig is deprecated too (along w/ nslookup) |
| 15:34.28 | movl | yeah |
| 15:34.30 | mick_laptop | you just get used to things over the years I guess |
| 15:34.54 | mick_laptop | error btw is: FATAL: Module nouveau is in use |
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| 15:35.34 | movl | and 'lsmod | egrep nouveau' will tell you why |
| 15:35.47 | jelly | mick_laptop: yeah, once nouveau's framebuffer console is in place you can't get rid of it. blacklist it, reboot |
| 15:36.14 | mick_laptop | ah |
| 15:36.15 | jelly | !tell mick_laptop about nvidia dkms |
| 15:36.17 | bodtx | Hello all 'im trying to forward request on my public ip to a specific loopback ip (127.0.0.1 here) |
| 15:36.47 | bodtx | i've tried iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -p tcp -d 10.67.230.34 --dport 9160 -j DNAT --to 127.0.0.1:9160 but it seems not working as iptables -L gives me nothing |
| 15:36.50 | bodtx | thank you |
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| 15:37.24 | Iridos | DammitJim, oh nuffin... the laptop's from 2005. so only 7 years |
| 15:38.16 | Oniklus | ifconfig is deprecated. use "ip addr" |
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| 15:40.33 | mick_laptop | Oniklus: so what is the huge benefit of that over ifconfig on an ipv4 only network? |
| 15:41.07 | Oniklus | no idea. I read that "ip addr" is recommended over ifconfig. don't ask me why |
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| 15:41.26 | mick_laptop | that is what bothers me, noone knows "why" |
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| 15:41.42 | linduxed | let's say that i've got a TON of files to be copied (think 3000+ files) and i want to use rsync for the job. the copying itself is handled fine by rsync, but it seems that it doesn't calculate the total amount of files before running the operation, because the xfer(a/b) has got a b that changes every 1000 files or so |
| 15:41.55 | klync | mick_laptop: the `ip` command has a lot of features and is a lot easier to use than the old tools; it's worth getting accustomed to. one day, ifconfig and route will be gone |
| 15:41.58 | linduxed | is there a way to have it calculate that total amount right from the start? |
| 15:42.09 | mick_laptop | kl |
| 15:42.28 | mick_laptop | klync: if you just want an ip... who cares? |
| 15:42.35 | Oniklus | is netstat deprecated too? you can also use netstat instead of route |
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| 15:43.17 | klync | Oniklus: i've never used netstat to look at my routing table, but i'm sure it's not going anywhere. don't think it's as ubiquitous though |
| 15:43.46 | mick_laptop | *sigh* I have a black screen when I startx now |
| 15:43.48 | Oniklus | "netstat -rn" |
| 15:43.49 | mick_laptop | , no errors though |
| 15:44.18 | jhutchins_lt | mick_laptop: You've checked the log? |
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| 15:45.07 | mick_laptop | I've checked my console from which I started x |
| 15:45.14 | acu | I have a Debian Squeeze machine with both a wired and a wifi card - I have some problems with the card - is WLAN0 got disconnected and cannot reconnect to wifi - I restarted the newtork etc - however I added an usb WIFI and want to shutdown the old WLAN0 and bring the new one up - I did ifdown WLAN0 and it tells me is not configured - also the new one - though I install the firmware - does not show up if I /sbin/ifconfig - can anyone |
| 15:45.14 | acu | give me some hints ? |
| 15:46.00 | movl | acu: you don't have NM running by any chance? |
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| 15:46.30 | mick_laptop | grep EE /var/log/Xorg.0.log is empty |
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| 15:47.07 | jhutchins_lt | mick_laptop: Since X usually essentially replaces any console it starts from, it doesn't write errors to stdout. It writes them to /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 15:47.22 | mick_laptop | ya, but that is empty |
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| 15:47.34 | mick_laptop | EE is the errors, and like I said, nothing |
| 15:47.42 | jhutchins_lt | mick_laptop: Looks like you'll need to actually read the log and figure out what it thinks it's doing. |
| 15:48.06 | movl | no errors != everything's good |
| 15:49.43 | mick_laptop | it is us |
| 15:49.45 | mick_laptop | in |
| 15:49.46 | mick_laptop | g VES |
| 15:49.49 | mick_laptop | A |
| 15:49.56 | mick_laptop | fuck this kb |
| 15:51.04 | mick_laptop | i have a spastic kb that likes to randomly add stuff |
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| 15:51.32 | mick_laptop | it can't find the right mode |
| 15:52.03 | majd | Seems like my installation is missing a gcc compiler: I get this error when i try to install Python Imaging Library "unable to execute gcc: No such file or directory" |
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| 15:52.26 | majd | i was looking for python-dev package, but it wasn't in the repos... |
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| 15:52.38 | movl | majd: install build-essential |
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| 15:54.28 | mick_laptop | so I tried |
| 15:54.31 | movl | and python-dev is there, please paste your sources.list somewhere |
| 15:54.48 | mick_laptop | Xorg -configure again, same error |
| 15:55.05 | mick_laptop | # of screens doesn't match |
| 15:56.59 | majd | movl: http://dpaste.com/713604/ |
| 15:57.47 | movl | did you do an aptitude update? |
| 15:57.57 | movl | and a aptitude safe-upgrade? |
| 15:58.36 | majd | argh - i didn't, i'm really afraid of breaking my client's apache installation again after last night's fiasco |
| 15:58.55 | mick_laptop | I think that I'll need to do a backup and do a fresh install at this point |
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| 15:59.26 | movl | majd: will your client be happier when a security issue will hit the server? |
| 15:59.57 | movl | if you don't have an up-to-date system, things WILL go wrong |
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| 16:00.04 | majd | movl: you're right - i'll make a backup of the linode right now and then do the update, see what happens |
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| 16:01.48 | movl | majd: you probably need a backup either way |
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| 16:04.21 | mick_laptop | apache isn't so bad to deal w/ |
| 16:04.36 | mick_laptop | the configs are really straight forward |
| 16:05.27 | mick_laptop | upgrading X w/ weird kernel modules scare the crap out of me |
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| 16:13.21 | totte | I've got to reboot a remote server, but it's Apache asks for SSL passphrase before I can log in via SSH, what would be an appropriate workaround for this? |
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| 16:15.59 | DelTree | totte: remove apache from boot sequence ? |
| 16:16.33 | totte | Is that the rcX.d folders in /etc? |
| 16:16.38 | karlpinc | totte: It's apache doing the asking? How's that? |
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| 16:17.51 | somiaj | totte: update-rc.d apache2 disable will remove all those links (make it so apache won't run at bootup) |
| 16:17.54 | karlpinc | totte: Also, I'm not clear what the problem is. You don't have the passphrase? |
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| 16:17.59 | totte | It's a pass phrase dialog, "Starting web server... etc, Some of your files are encrypted". |
| 16:18.16 | totte | somiaj: Thanks. >) |
| 16:18.28 | karlpinc | totte: So you need the passphrase to start apache? |
| 16:18.36 | totte | I have the passphrase, I do not have access to the machine. |
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| 16:18.52 | karlpinc | totte: And if apache does not start it borks the boot sequence? |
| 16:18.53 | totte | Yes, but it asks wor it before I can log in by SSH. |
| 16:19.18 | karlpinc | totte: Why don't you take the pass phrase off the apache startup? |
| 16:19.24 | totte | Yeah, it... pauses, sort of, until it gets the passphrase. |
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| 16:20.00 | karlpinc | totte: (You'll want to test this, but you can restart apache without rebooting.) |
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| 16:20.15 | Iridos | DammitJim, so how does one see the lirc (or even a shell!) on the xbmc live cd? We probably should move that somewhere else... #debian-offtopic? |
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| 16:21.20 | totte | karlpinc: I guess I could look into that... :) |
| 16:21.32 | karlpinc | totte: It's pretty easy. Hang on. |
| 16:21.37 | DammitJim | Iridos, Ctrl + Alt + 1 |
| 16:21.40 | DammitJim | F1* |
| 16:21.55 | Iridos | gives me a login in which xbmc passwordless doesn'T work |
| 16:22.06 | karlpinc | totte: First, you find the key. It's referenced in the apache configs -- the ssl config in conf.d iirc. |
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| 16:23.43 | Mmike | why is default debian mysql packaged in a way that err.log goes to /var/lib/mysql and binlogs/relaylogs go to /var/log/mysql ?! |
| 16:23.51 | karlpinc | totte: openssl rsa -in passwordedfile -out unpassworddedfile -passout '' You could also use -passin oldpass, but that's not really secure. I think it'll ask. |
| 16:23.55 | Mmike | and then some errors are in syslog, some are in daemon.log ... ? |
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| 16:25.31 | karlpinc | Mmike: You could ask the package maintainers, found via packages.debian.org. Someone here might know. (I prefer postgresql, and find mysql ... weak.) |
| 16:26.14 | Mmike | karlpinc, it's not weak. It's pathetic. And this packaging is make it even more pathetic. |
| 16:26.17 | Iridos | DammitJim, oh, found it |
| 16:26.37 | Mmike | I'm also a long tiem postgres user |
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| 16:27.32 | totte | karlpinc: I'll give that a try, thanks. |
| 16:28.14 | Mmike | I appologize for the harsh tone, I'm just a bit frustrated with that 'product' |
| 16:28.44 | karlpinc | totte: You'll then either want to swap the unpassworded key for the passworded one, or change the apache config to point to the unpassworded one. And try 'apachectl -t' and if that works try restarting apache. |
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| 16:29.11 | karlpinc | Mmike: Understandable. The <readme.debian> might or might not help you. |
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| 16:29.17 | karlpinc | !tell Mmike about readme.debian. |
| 16:31.30 | karlpinc | Mmike: Possibly also the changelogs and other stuff like that. Or you could ask again later. But it does not sound like there's a real answser -- more like a rethorical question. (*spelling!*) You could always file a bug report. |
| 16:31.51 | karlpinc | Mmike: The <bts> is the productive place to bitch. :) |
| 16:31.59 | Mmike | karlpinc, what's a bts? :) |
| 16:32.04 | karlpinc | !bts |
| 16:32.05 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. See also <apt-listbugs>, <reportbug>. http://wiki.debian.org/HowtoUseBTS |
| 16:32.10 | Mmike | aha! |
| 16:32.12 | Mmike | neat :) |
| 16:32.19 | karlpinc | !tell Mmike about msg the bot |
| 16:32.39 | karlpinc | !tell Mmike about dpkgbot |
| 16:32.45 | Iridos | DammitJim, oh well... no joy either. Seems to (maybe) detect more. There'd still be permutations with bios settings, too. I think I'm losing patience, though... sadly wasted too much time on that. (on-and-off since yesterday) thanks for the idea |
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| 16:33.48 | DammitJim | just curious... what do you want the laptop to do? |
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| 16:35.13 | jelly | !poke Mmike |
| 16:35.13 | dpkg | pokes Mmike with a stick |
| 16:35.17 | jtheuer | hi, not exactly a debian only question: I'm using the "zip" commandline utility. I noticed that when adding 10 files with the exactly the same content, the zip size also increases by the same factor. I assumed that further files would be compressed or linked or so? Is there a better but unzip-compatible solution? |
| 16:35.24 | Mmike | licks jelly's face |
| 16:35.47 | jtheuer | I guess that tar+gz would be better but I'm restricted to the zip format... |
| 16:35.50 | jelly | jhutchins_lt: zip does not compare and compress blocks across file boundaries. |
| 16:35.55 | jelly | erm. |
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| 16:36.01 | jtheuer | jelly: got it ;-) |
| 16:36.12 | jtheuer | damn |
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| 16:37.22 | jeremiah_gatong | Guys how can I trigger Numlock "ON"/"OFF" on bash? |
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| 16:39.49 | Iridos | DammitJim, just wanted to record some remote control sequences... my N900 has IR leds, but cannot receive IR signals. (well, the camera can, but is too slow) |
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| 16:40.27 | Iridos | DammitJim, after a year having it, I realized "hey, your laptop has an IR port and you _can_ record that stuff" |
| 16:40.31 | Iridos | well, in theory |
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| 16:41.01 | jelly | different protocols, different wavelengths |
| 16:41.29 | infernix | so, after upgrading this lenny box to squeeze and building the latest stock kernel (3.2.9), udev isn't making any /dev/sdX devices |
| 16:41.33 | Iridos | jelly, not |
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| 16:42.11 | infernix | sounds familiar to anyone? i don't see this on other squeeze boxes for some reason |
| 16:42.34 | Iridos | that's what irrecord from lirc does |
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| 16:44.08 | Iridos | dpkg, tell jeremiah_gatong about numlock |
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| 16:45.15 | ratatata | nu |
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| 16:50.13 | karlpinc | infernix: Did you check the release notes for issues? (Did you follow the release notes?) It might be better to use /dev/disk/by-path/ (or a uuid or disklabel) instead. |
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| 16:54.51 | infernix | karlpinc: udev isn't making *any* device nodes for sdX devices |
| 16:54.58 | infernix | even though they show up just fine in /sys/block |
| 16:55.18 | infernix | trying DEVTMPFS in the kernel now, not sure why it's not making device nodes |
| 16:55.23 | karlpinc | infernix: Maybe it's the kernel. |
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| 16:55.46 | karlpinc | infernix: Maybe you need non-free firmware? |
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| 16:56.03 | karlpinc | infernix: Or is there a regression and you should try a newer kernel from <bdo>? |
| 16:56.03 | infernix | karlpinc: i'm booting just fine |
| 16:56.11 | infernix | the kernel seees the devices |
| 16:56.25 | infernix | but udev makes no device nodes |
| 16:56.34 | infernix | udevadm info shows them just fine too. it's puzzling |
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| 16:56.56 | karlpinc | infernix: My understanding is that the kernel makes the device nodes, and udev makes symlinks. I could be wrong. |
| 16:57.06 | infernix | and of course i didnt RTFM. who does? :> |
| 16:57.23 | infernix | no, udev makes them as well as the symlinks |
| 16:58.17 | obiwahn | infernix: sid? |
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| 16:59.55 | infernix | obiwahn: squeeze with 3.2.9 kernel |
| 17:00.01 | majd | movl: as expected, the update broke mod_wsgi |
| 17:00.18 | infernix | udev does make sgX devices. *facepalms some more* |
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| 17:04.37 | majd | Can anyone recommend a good prefix to give to WSGISocketPrefix directive in apache? |
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| 17:06.15 | DeusEx | hello |
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| 17:08.04 | obiwahn | infernix: i haven#t build kernels for years:( but i wonder if it could be a probmeln with your version of linux-base |
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| 17:10.42 | infernix | hah |
| 17:10.57 | infernix | missed the scsi target and/or scsi device handler options |
| 17:11.10 | infernix | one or the other is what udev uses to create nodes. fixed :> |
| 17:11.11 | obiwahn | :) |
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| 17:11.28 | obiwahn | is for debian still make-kpkg used? |
| 17:12.24 | obiwahn | problems with usb and wlan became less and less:) so i got kind of lazy:P |
| 17:12.28 | infernix | probably, but i never make packages out of custom builds |
| 17:12.51 | infernix | yeah i keep my laziness at bay. good way to keep up with kernel features too |
| 17:13.12 | obiwahn | at some point i lost my handmade config:P |
| 17:13.38 | obiwahn | then could not be motivated to get through the wohl menu again:P |
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| 17:14.41 | obiwahn | infernix: which new features are your favorites at the moment? |
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| 17:20.43 | swart | I want to disable mysqld at startup but there are no symlinks to /etc/init.d/mysql in any of the /etc/rc?.d directories. Yet it is running - google tells me to use update-rc.d but that doesn't work. any suggestions? |
| 17:21.03 | neersighted | swart: insserv -d mysql |
| 17:21.26 | swart | neersighted: thanks vm |
| 17:21.31 | neersighted | insserv is like a upgraded update-rc.d |
| 17:21.52 | neersighted | it uses the LSB start-stop tags in the file, not ones specified on the command line |
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| 17:38.05 | nyingen | so debian net-install supports only WEP and not WPA or WPA2. I discovered this last night while trying to set it up on this new laptop, which has no ethernet port |
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| 17:38.41 | nyingen | moreover, some searching of the mailing list archives showed that some harsh words have been exchanged over this, and there are no plans to support it apparently |
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| 17:40.17 | obiwahn | nyingen: what reasons have been given against wpa? |
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| 17:40.54 | pagio | ciao |
| 17:40.55 | obiwahn | nyingen: would it make the install taht much bigger? |
| 17:40.58 | pagio | !list |
| 17:40.59 | dpkg | pagio: Debian è un sistema operativo composto di software libero non quella gratis. Vedi http://www.debian.org/intro/free.it.html per sapere di più. |
| 17:41.14 | somiaj | nyingen: you need the an additional package wpasupplicant to use wpa in the installer. There are various ways to go about this. |
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| 17:41.47 | somiaj | nyingen: my preference is to install a base/minimial system, copy over the few debs (usually wpasupplicant and the non-free firmware for my wireless card). Get the network up and then continue install the software. |
| 17:42.15 | somiaj | nyingen: I belive all the live-cd images (live.debian.net) already contain wpasupplicant and you can install from them as well |
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| 17:44.07 | nyingen | yeah, in my case I ended up changing the wireless network security mode to WEP temporarily, but that was only possibcontrol of the rouer |
| 17:44.10 | nyingen | router |
| 17:44.46 | totte | karlpinc: I located foo.key, ran "openssl rsa -in foo.key -out bar.key", then switched their names (foo.key <> bar.key) and tested restarting Apache - no passphrase demanded, looks like it works. |
| 17:45.21 | somiaj | nyingen: the debian-installer won't change with squeeze, but they are trying to improve the installer for wireless computers for the next release. Though I think getting a better method to get non-free firmware and wpasupplicant both fall into that. Check out the debian-installer development |
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| 17:45.30 | somiaj | nyingen: there is a whole channel for this on irc.oftc.net |
| 17:45.55 | nyingen | I see |
| 17:46.05 | nyingen | I had forgotten about the firmware issue |
| 17:46.28 | nyingen | however, on the mailing list, it was asserted that people trying to install from wifi are too few in number to bother supporting |
| 17:47.21 | jmosco | im having a hard time with pam/ldap/krb5 |
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| 17:47.39 | jmosco | I cant get the right configuration, and I keep locking myself out of the system |
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| 17:50.23 | Mohsen_Hassani | My Debian has totally broken, I can't install anything, and I get an error saying there is no dpkg |
| 17:50.47 | Mohsen_Hassani | I just need to delete everything which is stopping me from dist-upgrading the Debian |
| 17:51.01 | streuner_ | Mohsen_Hassani: please show us the error in a pastebin. |
| 17:51.01 | Mohsen_Hassani | I have just installed this debian and I have nothing important on this Laptop |
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| 17:51.19 | majd | Can someone recommend a solution to this problem? I have linode running a bunch of websites using apache, some are php, others are python (django) based. I need to update + upgrade, and i tried to yesterday, but that broke mod_wsgi |
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| 17:51.45 | Mohsen_Hassani | streuner_, well everything I do there is lots of errors, My laptop is not connecting to the Internet, Just show me a way to force deleting or removing all packages |
| 17:52.18 | streuner_ | Mohsen_Hassani: well, you said, there is nothing important, so just reinstall |
| 17:52.19 | majd | according to the apache docs, the problem is common, and i'd have to add WSGISocketPrefix /var/run/apache2/ |
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| 17:52.36 | majd | as a directive to my apache config |
| 17:52.43 | Mohsen_Hassani | straterra, I don't have time to reinstall the DVD again. |
| 17:53.02 | Mohsen_Hassani | streuner_, , I don't have time to reinstall the DVD again. |
| 17:54.00 | streuner_ | Mohsen_Hassani: well, if you have a good internet connection and the partitions are finish, its about 10-30 minutes to reinstall... |
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| 17:54.38 | Mohsen_Hassani | streuner_, I think my friend has deleted the "/usr/bin/dpkg" I need to access the trash bin via terminal |
| 17:54.52 | Mohsen_Hassani | streuner_, How can I access the trash bin to recover it? |
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| 17:55.21 | streuner_ | just use your backup :-) |
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| 17:56.48 | streuner_ | Mohsen_Hassani: or download dpkg from packages.debian.org/dpkg and install it via ar, if thats installed at all :-) |
| 17:57.43 | Mohsen_Hassani | streuner_, I have 72 gig of packages downloaded and copied to my external Hard already, as I said I can't install anything. I get errors that I don't have dpkg |
| 17:57.54 | somiaj | I'm writing an init script to run a service as another user, would 'su -c COMMAND username' be the suggest way to do this (Since init scripts are ran as root)? |
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| 17:58.42 | streuner_ | Mohsen_Hassani: ar is able to extract every deb package... |
| 17:59.08 | streuner_ | Mohsen_Hassani: so just copy the files into the folders |
| 17:59.16 | Mohsen_Hassani | I have no ar command, |
| 17:59.29 | Mohsen_Hassani | I think if I access the Trash I can recover the dpkg |
| 17:59.50 | streuner_ | Mohsen_Hassani: ls -l /usr/bin/ar |
| 18:00.01 | themill | Mohsen_Hassani: what *exactly* did you do? |
| 18:00.08 | Mohsen_Hassani | streuner_, No such file or directory |
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| 18:00.55 | streuner_ | hm, bad luck then, binutils is unfortunatly optional |
| 18:01.01 | Mohsen_Hassani | themill, I need to apt-get dist-upgrade but as my friend says, he has deleted /usr/bin/dpkg |
| 18:01.13 | themill | that's not very exact. |
| 18:01.14 | Mohsen_Hassani | themill, and I get errors while dist-upgrading that I have no dpkg |
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| 18:01.45 | ansgar | Mohsen_Hassani: And it looks like not only dpkg was removed. I guess reinstalling would be faster... |
| 18:02.15 | Mohsen_Hassani | I guess I have to install it again then... |
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| 18:06.10 | chogath | hello |
| 18:06.42 | chogath | i have apache and vsftpd running. what is the proper way to have an ftp user with write access to /var/www ? |
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| 18:09.51 | somiaj | chogath: depends on your setup. Do you want this single user to be your webmaster and have full write capabilities, or do you want multiple users to be able to write to /var/www |
| 18:10.16 | somiaj | chogath: note you should also think of using sftp for better security |
| 18:10.53 | chogath | somiaj: i run implicit tls on my ftp site |
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| 18:11.33 | chogath | currently i do not have any other users planned for the webserver since i do not give out shells or something. |
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| 18:11.59 | somiaj | chogath: just chown /var/www to the user you want to give full access to |
| 18:12.07 | chogath | but i guess it would be more secure, wouldnt it? |
| 18:12.14 | somiaj | chogath: chown -R username.www-data /var/www |
| 18:12.56 | somiaj | chogath: I am unsure how tls works with ftp, if the passwords are sent unencrypted to the server at anytime, someone can hijack your user |
| 18:13.01 | chogath | is it complicated to have that public_html symlink for each user? |
| 18:13.24 | chogath | somiaj: login is encrypted, too |
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| 18:13.42 | somiaj | chogath: what do you mean, you want public_html to be a symlink to /var/www? |
| 18:13.49 | somiaj | chogath: why do you want this? |
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| 18:14.29 | chogath | well i never configured apache for multiple users |
| 18:14.50 | chogath | but i think it would be a nice idea to shield different web projects/scripts from each other, wouldnt it? |
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| 18:15.44 | somiaj | chogath: again this depends on your setup. Do you just want to give each user their own userdir such as public_html, or do you want to give each user access to their own domain name. |
| 18:16.19 | chogath | no, i only have one domain. i think it would be nice to have some public_html folder |
| 18:16.21 | somiaj | chogath: but there are two things you have to do. 1) use chown/chmod to give the correct permisison for the user/group you want to have access to a certain directory |
| 18:16.37 | somiaj | chogath: and 2) configure apache to know where the directories are. |
| 18:17.16 | somiaj | chogath: yea you can configure apache so domain.com/~username uses a personal directory for each user, /home/username/public_html is default, but you can put those elsewhere on your system. |
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| 18:17.56 | somiaj | you just have to do what I said above, give the directories the correct permissions and tell apache where they are located |
| 18:18.14 | chogath | well, i dont see any use in subdomains since i only have 1 IP |
| 18:18.37 | chogath | so i think i'd go with the /~username way |
| 18:18.43 | somiaj | you can have multiple domain names (and subdomains) on the same ip, but domain.com/~username isn't a subdomain |
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| 18:19.01 | nyingen | somiaj: what was the channel about the debian installer that you were referring to a little while ago? |
| 18:19.03 | somiaj | if you want to do username.domain.com vs domain.com/~username it is just a matter of what you want people typing into their browsers |
| 18:19.35 | somiaj | nyingen: look up 'debian irc wiki' on google, you'll get a wiki page that lists all the offical debian channels located on irc.oftc.net |
| 18:19.40 | chogath | well i have that web interface of my provider where i can configure subdomains etc, i dont have bind running on my server. |
| 18:19.48 | nyingen | somiaj: ok, thanks |
| 18:19.52 | chogath | do you have some howto link for that apache setup? |
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| 18:20.47 | somiaj | chogath: you could also just make user directories in /var/www and have domain.com/username/ if you wanted as well. In the end they all give an equivlant setup, a place your user can put custom files. The approach you use it up to your design. |
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| 18:21.01 | xy | Hello, i am installing debian at the moment. |
| 18:21.02 | xy | How can i make it use a http proxy by default? (for apt) |
| 18:21.04 | somiaj | chogath: I don't have a link, I'd just start searching around google. |
| 18:21.29 | somiaj | xy: I thought the installer asked you if you had a proxy during the configuration of ap |
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| 18:21.41 | xy | somiaj: when will it ask me? |
| 18:21.56 | xy | i already did the network settings but i wasnt asked |
| 18:22.10 | xy | i will continue the installation and see if it asks me... |
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| 18:22.13 | somiaj | xy: when you configure apt (it should ask about mirrors and proxy) |
| 18:22.20 | LordShiva | When you came to install more packages answer add mirror |
| 18:22.49 | LordShiva | and add mirror and when ask you for a http proxy enter your proxy ... |
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| 18:24.20 | chogath | somiaj: ok, ill look that up. but what should i do with the www root directory /var/www ? i have a wordpress site there i'd like to ftp into. |
| 18:24.58 | xy | Ah, now it asked me, i was already worrying |
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| 18:26.14 | somiaj | chogath: I would chown it to the primary user you want to be able to read/write/modify/delete files in there |
| 18:26.26 | somiaj | chogath: again if you want multiple users to do this, you'll have to set up some group |
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| 18:30.31 | nyingen | another surprising thing during the installation -- the installer reported that ftp.us.debian.org (the mirror choice that's at the top of the list in the selection screen) doesn't support squeeze |
| 18:30.58 | nyingen | is that true, or was this just some problem with the installer? |
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| 18:32.44 | GNU\colossus | how or where can I get Mozilla Lightning (the XUL-based calendaring add-on for Thunderbird) for Icedove on Squeeze? |
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| 18:43.13 | phao | hey |
| 18:43.16 | phao | which CD has G++ ? |
| 18:43.34 | xy | now i installed debian, how to tell it not to use the installation disk anymore and to get everything from the debian mirrors? |
| 18:43.48 | xy | s/to tell it/to tell apt/ |
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| 18:44.41 | gnugr | xy: in sources.list remove cd/rom lines |
| 18:44.58 | pmade | xy, for me the installer has always removed references to the install media. Look in /etc/apt/sources* |
| 18:45.06 | gnugr | in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 18:46.12 | phao | which debian instalation CD has G++ ? |
| 18:46.26 | xy | interesting: i found 2 lines for the cd in /etc/apt/sources.list, one commented out, the other one not |
| 18:46.53 | LtL | xy: as root comment all cdrom lines out of /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 18:47.06 | xy | that's what i did |
| 18:47.08 | gnugr | xy: only who start with "cd/rom" |
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| 18:47.48 | LtL | xy: now apt-get update && apt-get upgrade |
| 18:48.50 | gnugr | xy: before update make sure other lines incloud "contrib, non-free" |
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| 18:52.18 | indy__ | hello everybody, I have a little question: when I run dh_make -s -e a@b.it -n --copyright gpl ...and then debuild binary , I obtain a nice deb package. If I remove the deb package and I repeat the procedure, no packages are created. There is some option that I forget? |
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| 18:52.50 | xy | The old file: http://img820.imageshack.us/img820/6504/bildschirmfoto2d.png |
| 18:52.50 | xy | The new file: http://img713.imageshack.us/img713/3867/bildschirmfoto3h.png |
| 18:52.51 | xy | gnugr: there are no lines which include "contrib" or "non-free", if there is anything i did wrong, tell me please |
| 18:53.10 | xy | (perhaps you did notice that it's my first time installing debian) |
| 18:53.14 | gnugr | add them by hand |
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| 18:54.23 | LtL | xy: if you want contrib and non-free you need to append those to the individual lines |
| 18:54.24 | gnugr | xy: edit /etc/apt/sources.list and add next to ..main contrib non-free |
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| 18:57.10 | xy | this way: http://img809.imageshack.us/img809/8776/bildschirmfoto4d.png ? |
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| 18:57.55 | gnugr | xy: yes |
| 18:58.03 | xy | okay, thank you |
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| 18:58.22 | LtL | xy: yes, although i don't think they're needed for security lines |
| 18:58.30 | gnugr | xy: now you can run "aptitude update && aptitude full-upgrade" |
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| 18:59.10 | xy | what is the difference between the upgrade and full-upgrade aptitude subcommands? |
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| 19:00.03 | gnugr | xy: instead of "apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade" |
| 19:00.17 | xy | ah |
| 19:00.20 | LtL | xy: you may prefer to install pastebinit to post files rather than pictures, it's probably easier.. |
| 19:00.56 | nyingen | I just did a fresh install of squeeze, then used 'apt-get dist-upgrade' to upgrade to wheezy. However, now there seem to be a bunch of dependency problems |
| 19:01.33 | xy | LtL: i think i'll get the things with "ssh cat | xclip" as i installed on a virtual machine |
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| 19:01.51 | gnugr | xy: is better to use "full-upgrade" because next you will add also backports in "sources.list" to get newest kernel |
| 19:01.54 | LtL | xy: k :) |
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| 19:03.21 | xy | okay, gnugr |
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| 19:06.10 | nyingen | after 'apt-get dist-upgrade' (to wheezy), 'aptitude install xmonad' results in 579 packages being removed, 21 upgraded, and 60 installed |
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| 19:08.03 | nyingen | sees a bit extreme |
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| 19:09.15 | nkuttler | nyingen: well read the list... and welcome to testing |
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| 19:09.57 | nyingen | heh, it also tried to remove the kernel |
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| 19:10.22 | nyingen | good thing the maintainers programmed that "are you sure you want to remove the running kernel??" dialog box to pop up |
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| 19:17.30 | xy | how can i set the size (resolution, and if possible font and its size) of the debian system console? |
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| 19:21.28 | karlpinc | !tell xy about kms |
| 19:22.04 | xy | . !tell karlpinc about thank you :) |
| 19:22.16 | Gits-TLM | Hello, I installed debian by net-install, but after debian booted into text-mode instead of GNOME. How do I fix it? |
| 19:22.50 | karlpinc | xy: I find it _way_ too small. There is a console-tools package, which should be installed, wihch lets you set console font, but it does not make them large enough. |
| 19:23.02 | tdrusk | Gits-TLM: Did you select GUI in on the net-install cd? |
| 19:23.04 | nsadmin | try aptitude install gnome gdm |
| 19:23.11 | Gits-TLM | tdrusk: yes |
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| 19:23.17 | karlpinc | Gits-TLM: You're too impatient. I tried to answer on irc.debian.org. |
| 19:23.35 | xy | karlpinc: i'd like to use the font that for example archlinux and opensuse (until version 11.4) use. |
| 19:23.45 | Gits-TLM | karlpinc: I saw the msg: "Can't talk" or something along those lines. |
| 19:23.52 | Gits-TLM | So, I came here. |
| 19:24.41 | Gits-TLM | "Can't msg in #Debian". Something like that. |
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| 19:25.57 | karlpinc | Gits-TLM: Dunno what that comes from. Something to do with typeing "/msg user foo" into your irc client, or not. |
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| 19:26.10 | timmy | what is the best file system type for storing an archive of movies on an external hdd and why? |
| 19:26.26 | karlpinc | Gits-TLM: So try what nsadmin recommends. |
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| 19:27.03 | nkuttler | timmy: define external hdd and best |
| 19:27.08 | nsadmin | it might also be nice to be shre his x server works properly |
| 19:27.09 | xy | after running aptitude update which was successful, i ran aptitude full-upgrade and got "No packages will be installed, upgraded, or removed." |
| 19:27.10 | xy | Can this be right? (i installed 6.0.4 and already added the mirror during installation.) |
| 19:27.16 | nsadmin | all that might be installed |
| 19:27.18 | Gits-TLM | I am newbie. So after 'aptitude install gnome gdm', is there anything else I should do? karlpinc nsadmin ? |
| 19:27.37 | karlpinc | timmy: jfs is designed for large files and well tested. ext4 recovers large filesystems lots faster than ext3. |
| 19:27.37 | nkuttler | Gits-TLM: start gdm? |
| 19:27.44 | Gits-TLM | hmm k |
| 19:27.49 | karlpinc | Gits-TLM: Tell us what it says. (It should already be installed....) |
| 19:27.50 | nsadmin | it should start |
| 19:28.00 | Gits-TLM | k lemme check. |
| 19:28.03 | nsadmin | just by installing the pkg |
| 19:28.34 | nsadmin | but then you probably did everything right and all that is installed |
| 19:28.36 | karlpinc | xy: Yes. The installer gets you updates automatically. |
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| 19:28.46 | nsadmin | you can still try tat |
| 19:29.02 | karlpinc | Gits-TLM: So then we need to figure out why it won't start, if it is installed..... |
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| 19:30.26 | xy | is there a aptitude repository from which i can install vmware tools without needing to compile it? |
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| 19:30.59 | Gits-TLM | karlpinc: gnome and gdm were not installed, eventhou I had made sure I had selected the GUI option when installing. |
| 19:31.15 | Gits-TLM | So I am running the command as told, and its installing atm. |
| 19:31.20 | nkuttler | !tell xy about vmware |
| 19:31.21 | karlpinc | Gits-TLM: What did you install? |
| 19:31.33 | karlpinc | Gits-TLM: What version of debian/what installer? |
| 19:31.41 | Gits-TLM | aptitude install gnome gdm |
| 19:31.45 | Gits-TLM | I ran that command |
| 19:31.56 | karlpinc | xy: You might be better with kvm, or not. YMMV. |
| 19:31.57 | Gits-TLM | Its installing atm |
| 19:32.11 | karlpinc | Gits-TLM: I mean the version of debian and the debian installer. |
| 19:32.22 | Gits-TLM | I download it today. |
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| 19:32.36 | nsadmin | what did you download today? |
| 19:32.38 | xy | karlpinc: it doesnt need to be that professional, i just want to try debian. |
| 19:32.47 | Gits-TLM | Debian net-install iso |
| 19:32.59 | nsadmin | what is its exact file name? |
| 19:33.03 | karlpinc | Gits-TLM: or url |
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| 19:33.17 | Gits-TLM | dedebian] deV |
| 19:33.20 | Gits-TLM | er... |
| 19:33.35 | Gits-TLM | debian-6.0.4-i386-netinsta.iso |
| 19:33.35 | xy | the answer to "vmware support": <dpkg> Support for VMware products is not offered here; please go to http://vmware.comsupport/ or join #vmware on irc.freenode.net. |
| 19:33.35 | xy | ^ in case there is an admin of dpkg here, please fix that typo. "http://vmware.comsupport/" -> "http://vmware.com/support/" |
| 19:33.48 | nsadmin | ok cool. |
| 19:33.53 | Gits-TLM | k |
| 19:34.27 | Bromigo | Hello all. I am running Squeeze (on an x86) and I am trying to use the gcc from the repository to generate MIPs assembly code ["gcc -Wall -S -march=mips1 parse.c"]. However GCC says I have provided a "bad value" to the -march flag. as far as I can tell I am using the flags correctly... what am I doing wrong? |
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| 19:36.09 | karlpinc | xy: Actually, anyone can fix it. Hang on.... |
| 19:36.15 | chogath | howdy |
| 19:36.27 | chogath | how can i configure php options for specific folders of apache? |
| 19:36.29 | xy | and the link in the "vmware" factoid only handles using vmware hypervisors on debian, not installing vmware tools. (vmware tools are always installed on _guest_ operating systems) |
| 19:36.40 | chogath | directories so to speak |
| 19:36.52 | xy | erm, i think i expressed that wrong |
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| 19:37.14 | xy | not "are always installed", rather "are the software that should be installed" |
| 19:38.33 | nkuttler | xy: the bot gave you a link for vmware support |
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| 19:39.37 | Gits-TLM | I installed gnome. But, it seems an older version is installed... |
| 19:39.54 | nkuttler | Gits-TLM: debian stable has gnome 2 |
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| 19:40.10 | Gits-TLM | oh, how do I update? |
| 19:40.20 | xy | yes, i know that, i just wanted to know if there are the precompiled vmware tools for debian somewhere. thhe vmware support link doesnt help me, i'll just compile them myself. |
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| 19:41.04 | karlpinc | chogath: You use the apache <Directory></Directory> directives and put php-value (or whatever) lines in between. See the php manual at php.net. |
| 19:41.21 | karlpinc | !tell Gits-TLM about stable |
| 19:41.36 | xy | what is the package for the kernel headers package or are they already installed by default? |
| 19:41.37 | karlpinc | Gits-TLM: The best way is to wait for the next release of debian. |
| 19:41.46 | Gits-TLM | ... |
| 19:41.48 | chogath | karlpinc: thx, i just found the answer in ##php |
| 19:41.53 | karlpinc | !tell xy about search |
| 19:42.05 | Gits-TLM | otherwise, I'll have to compile it all myself an all karlpinc ? |
| 19:42.10 | karlpinc | xy: Usually linux-headers-* I think. |
| 19:42.31 | xy | okay |
| 19:42.33 | nsadmin | , info pfsense |
| 19:42.34 | judd | No package named 'pfsense' was found in squeeze/i386. |
| 19:42.39 | karlpinc | Gits-TLM: You could try backporting. But doing that to a desktop is hard. You seem new to debian. See the following, which has choices. |
| 19:42.43 | karlpinc | !tell Gits-TLM about overview |
| 19:42.56 | Bromigo | apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 19:42.57 | nkuttler | Gits-TLM: ugh, forget about building gnome 3 on stable |
| 19:43.00 | karlpinc | Gits-TLM: You may want to read the referenced wiki page. |
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| 19:43.23 | Bromigo | xy: apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 19:43.33 | nsadmin | , versions pfsense |
| 19:43.34 | judd | No package named 'pfsense' was found in i386. |
| 19:44.03 | Gits-TLM | k, thanks karlpinc , nsadmin , nkuttler for all the help. |
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| 19:44.22 | Gits-TLM | I'll be around when I get more problems :P |
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| 19:46.30 | multimi | Hello, is there something like a global equalizer to configure playback, for instance youtube? |
| 19:47.32 | gnarface | yes |
| 19:47.43 | gnarface | there are several in fact |
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| 19:50.03 | ldlework | Any anyone help me figure out what this is trying to tell me? |
| 19:50.04 | ldlework | http://hastebin.com/noyoqejisu.coffee |
| 19:51.27 | rypervenche | ldlework: Pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 19:51.49 | karlpinc | !tell ldlework about pastebinit |
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| 19:52.53 | Bromigo | Hello all! I am using Debian 6 on an x86, but I am trying to use gcc [from the Debian repository] to compile some C code down to mips assembly using "gcc -Wall -S -march=mips1 parse.c". However GCC tells me I have provided a "bad value" for -march. The docs say this is correct... what am I doing wrong? |
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| 19:53.01 | multimi | gnarface: well, could you please name one |
| 19:53.06 | ldlework | rypervenche, karlpinc http://hastebin.com/geqaganuxo.coffee |
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| 19:54.44 | Iridos | alright. so why does lsb_release -i -s print "Ubuntu" on my laptop running squeeze |
| 19:54.55 | karlpinc | ldlework: Sadly, that does not seem to display. Perhaps it needs javascript on. |
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| 19:55.16 | karlpinc | multimi: You could probably use debtags to find one quickly. |
| 19:55.21 | karlpinc | !tell multimi about debtags |
| 19:55.24 | ldlework | kareeem_bbl, http://hastebin.com/raw/geqaganuxo |
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| 19:55.46 | karlpinc | multimi: There are other search tools too. (I'd help but know nothing about sound.) |
| 19:55.49 | karlpinc | !tell multimi about search |
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| 19:57.25 | karlpinc | Bromigo: There's probably something on the debian wiki. Look for cross compling. You probably need a package installed to support the target arch, but I've no clue at all and could be totally wrong. |
| 19:57.39 | ldlework | karlpinc, got a clue? |
| 19:57.46 | ldlework | rypervenche, ? |
| 19:58.33 | Bromigo | karlpinc I will check that out, thank you |
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| 19:59.11 | karlpinc | Bromigo: You could also poke around the emdebian folks. They do this sort of thing all the time. Or you could tell us what you're really trying to do and maybe we'd have an alternative suggestion. |
| 20:00.21 | spacedust | hi |
| 20:00.23 | Bromigo | karlpinc assembling to MIPs is a purely academic exercise. We're learning the MIPs processor for my computer architecture class, so I wanted to be able to compile some basic C stuff down to MIPs assembly to see it at work. Also wanted to see the difference between different levels of optimization |
| 20:00.34 | ldlework | haalllllp |
| 20:00.41 | spacedust | if i put a package on hold with dpkg how do i unset it later ? |
| 20:01.01 | rypervenche | ldlework: Try it with aptitude. |
| 20:01.06 | karlpinc | ldlework: FYI. backports.debian.org is offical debian. And you don't need virtualbox repos to use virtualbox in debian. Now let me look at your problem..... |
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| 20:01.31 | rypervenche | ldlework: "aptitude update && aptitude install libxml2-dev" |
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| 20:02.35 | ldlework | rypervenche, it just says the same error |
| 20:03.03 | ldlework | Oh nice it offered to downgrade |
| 20:03.34 | karlpinc | spacedust: I don't think dpkg can put a package on hold. You either use aptitude or apt-get. You'll have to rtfm the dpkg man page if you've used dpkg to put it on hold. |
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| 20:04.20 | gnarface | multimi: sorry, i had to put out a fire. you fist have to figure out which audio system you're using - i use alsa so alsamixer is my choice |
| 20:04.55 | rypervenche | ldlework: aptitude is usually better with dependencies, and it has nice logs. |
| 20:04.56 | gnarface | multimi: i meant first, not fist |
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| 20:05.15 | alesan | hi somebody told me yesterday that ntpdate is not to be used |
| 20:05.27 | alesan | what was the command to ask the bot what is the alternative? |
| 20:05.29 | chogath | hello |
| 20:05.33 | Iridos | gnarface, why aren't you in #debian-offtopic |
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| 20:05.38 | chogath | http://nopaste.info/e5b800ea53.html <-- where are the mistakes? my apache doesnt reload |
| 20:05.43 | gnarface | Iridos: ??? |
| 20:05.53 | multimi | gnarface, i'm using alsamixer. right now, i'm trying to get alsaequal running |
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| 20:06.59 | gnarface | Iridos: wtf is your problem i was trying to answer his question? |
| 20:07.25 | Iridos | gnarface, I mean can't ask you in here "what fire" |
| 20:07.32 | gnarface | oh |
| 20:07.42 | gnarface | it was a proverbial fire, not a real one |
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| 20:08.09 | Iridos | oh |
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| 20:08.26 | gnarface | multimi: some people like alsamixergui better |
| 20:08.30 | gribouille | hi |
| 20:08.31 | rypervenche | And then they were friends :) |
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| 20:08.57 | multimi | no need for gui :) |
| 20:09.22 | rypervenche | gribouille: Salut, welcome. |
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| 20:10.01 | karlpinc | chogath: Maybe those php params can't be set with php_admin_value? |
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| 20:10.17 | alesan | if I want to have openssh to re-create the host keys at the next reboot... what do I need to do???? |
| 20:10.21 | gribouille | what do I have to put in debian/rules to split a source package foo into two debian packages : foo and foo-dev? |
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| 20:10.59 | spacedust | could anyone tell me how to fix this : http://pastebin.com/TceKffqX trying to update aptitude apt and dpkg |
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| 20:11.48 | spacedust | http://pastebin.com/DJXQ043Q yummy :) |
| 20:12.35 | themill | spacedust: are you trying to upgrade from lenny to squeeze here? |
| 20:12.37 | karlpinc | alesan: Does it have to be at the next reboot or is it enough to re-create the keys? |
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| 20:13.07 | spacedust | themill: something like that :) |
| 20:13.29 | pricox | ciao a tutti |
| 20:13.47 | spacedust | themill: its working well till now keep going with -f install nopackage |
| 20:13.55 | Mephisto | compiz slows down my desktop and everything else a bit too. Apparently it overrides some video settings and uses itself as rendering engine. Is there a way to fix it? |
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| 20:14.37 | ben1066 | What do I do with a home server running debian with 2gb ram D: |
| 20:14.41 | themill | Mephisto: don't use compiz. |
| 20:14.53 | Mephisto | themill, well right.. that's the easiest solution :) |
| 20:14.57 | Mephisto | that's what i'm forced to do. |
| 20:15.01 | pricox | !list |
| 20:15.01 | dpkg | pricox: È possibile di scaricare un sacco di software libero puntando il tuo browser a http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-6.0.4-amd64-i386-netinst.iso ! |
| 20:15.04 | themill | spacedust: "something like that" or "exactly like that"? Are you following the release notes? |
| 20:15.09 | Mephisto | themill, the thing is.. i need it only for one thing. To center windows... |
| 20:15.25 | Mephisto | themill, i want all new windows to be placed right in the center of my screen. Using gnome. Is there any other way to do it? |
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| 20:16.31 | ldlework | ben1066, grid computing? |
| 20:16.38 | karlpinc | Mephisto: There's always asking in #gnome. :-) (I find playing with gnome configuration painful, once outside the painless drag-and-drop circle.) |
| 20:17.00 | Mephisto | karlpinc, yeah, i hear ya. |
| 20:17.10 | Mephisto | karlpinc, i also had probs with it |
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| 20:17.48 | gribouille | what do I have to put in debian/rules to split a source package foo into two debian packages : foo and foo-dev? |
| 20:18.12 | karlpinc | gribouille: If nobody helps you could try #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org. |
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| 20:19.30 | karlpinc | gribouille: But I bet the answer is available via the developers link on debian.org. |
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| 20:20.05 | tdrusk | Mephisto: Maybe openbox? https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=94082 |
| 20:20.28 | gribouille | karlpinc, ok |
| 20:20.41 | Mephisto | tdrusk, oh no. I can't use any of those. |
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| 20:22.04 | Mephisto | tdrusk, they're not comfy and also look kinda raw and ugly... (likes a bit of eyecandy) |
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| 20:22.42 | tdrusk | Mephisto: Go to #4 https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/46019 |
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| 20:23.09 | Mephisto | thanks, i think i've seen that... |
| 20:23.40 | tdrusk | Mephisto: Did you read #8? |
| 20:23.53 | Mephisto | yeah, i think that didn't work for me |
| 20:23.58 | Mephisto | but let me try it again. |
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| 20:25.02 | Mephisto | by default it's 'smart' always. |
| 20:25.10 | Mephisto | and yes, it works for gedit, but for most things doesn't. |
| 20:25.17 | Mephisto | gedit is one of the few things that get affected by that option. |
| 20:25.32 | Mephisto | that has no effect on terminal or download windows in browsers or anything else.. |
| 20:25.41 | Mephisto | compiz option worked for ALL... |
| 20:25.44 | Mephisto | so yeah.. bummer. |
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| 20:27.15 | nyingen | is there a guide somewhere to how to use these ridiculously long font-spec strings (for X11 fonts)? |
| 20:28.21 | sephii | nyingen: xfontsel? |
| 20:28.40 | nyingen | I want to change the font used by urxvt, but I'm having a hell of a time figuring out how to relate what it wants on the -fn option to what's in /usr/share/fonts/* |
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| 20:29.15 | nyingen | sephii: ok, i'll try that |
| 20:29.35 | nyingen | but what about the truetype fonts? |
| 20:29.46 | spacedust | i got a warning about postgres 8.3 being obsolete and what should i do (inscructions and pointing to readings ) but then only an ok button :) and now the dist-upgrade continues , does this mean that postgres is being updated or ? |
| 20:30.07 | sephii | nyingen: there's an easy syntax for tt fonts |
| 20:30.26 | sephii | nyingen: but i can't remember it |
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| 20:32.40 | timmy | i have an external hdd which has a partition with jfs fs, i want to be able to mount that and write on that with normal permissions, not root. what should i? |
| 20:33.39 | tdrusk | timmy: check out pmount maybe |
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| 20:35.40 | reisi | hi everyone! an apt related problem here; anyway I could just refresh the lists? seems that there's something bad in one of them: http://pastebin.com/z2Tb0dht |
| 20:35.42 | sephii | nyingen: i think it was something like URxvt.font: xft:yourfont:size=16 or something like that |
| 20:36.02 | sephii | !ubuntu |
| 20:36.02 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
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| 20:37.04 | reisi | sephii: great.... thanks |
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| 20:40.00 | Bromigo | Does the Debian installer [I usually use the text-based one] understand GUID partition tables? |
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| 20:45.30 | nsadmin | not sure. |
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| 20:46.48 | nsadmin | Bromigo, wouldn't that require a new bios? |
| 20:47.00 | nsadmin | reading the wikipedia entry |
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| 20:47.26 | Bromigo | nsadmin I don't know, I don't know much about it. Just curious. I know when I got my 3tb hard drive Windows couldn't use it until I put a GPT table on it. It wasn't a boot drive luckily so it didn't matter |
| 20:47.45 | Bromigo | couldn't use all of it, that is |
| 20:47.50 | kish | why do i get A B C when i work with vi |
| 20:47.57 | nsadmin | oh ok... still reading... |
| 20:48.03 | kish | i get weird character |
| 20:48.10 | ChibaPet | Can someone remind me how to ask why a package is installed? |
| 20:48.30 | gnarface | yea you need a GPT table for partitions greater than 2TB and you also need to recompile the kernel with a flag to support partitions greater than 2TB as well (if i recall, its still off by default) |
| 20:48.35 | Bromigo | kish the version of vi that comes standard has some weird keymaping issues... you can usually fix it by installing VIM through synaptic |
| 20:48.49 | kish | bromigo, i've done that, now. |
| 20:48.52 | kish | why though |
| 20:48.52 | nsadmin | ChibaPet, look at the output of dpkg -s <packagename> |
| 20:49.01 | kish | weird keymappings make it totally unusable for me |
| 20:49.04 | kish | i hate it bromigo |
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| 20:49.21 | kish | it's extremely frustrating |
| 20:49.25 | Bromigo | kish are you still getting the error? I don't know why it happens but it happens to me when I first install a system. Usually fixes it after I install vim |
| 20:49.25 | nsadmin | you don't have to use vi |
| 20:50.00 | kish | no, i don't get the error anymore bromigo |
| 20:50.07 | nsadmin | (just so you know... did you know that?) |
| 20:50.16 | kish | hmm, i thought i would see fancy hilights in vim |
| 20:50.27 | Bromigo | you have to enable syntax highlighting |
| 20:50.28 | kish | syntax hilights for when i edit files like /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
| 20:50.34 | kish | ;( |
| 20:50.38 | Bromigo | make a file in your home dir called .vim |
| 20:50.41 | Bromigo | and put: |
| 20:50.44 | Bromigo | :syntax on |
| 20:50.45 | Bromigo | in it |
| 20:50.48 | ChibaPet | dpkg -s seems to show me dependencies of that package, but not things that are causing it to be installed. |
| 20:50.48 | dpkg | You Fool! seems to show me dependencies of that package, but not things that are causing it to be installed. is installed! |
| 20:50.51 | kish | oh nice and easy |
| 20:50.52 | Bromigo | er |
| 20:50.53 | kish | thanks bromigo |
| 20:50.54 | Bromigo | .vimrc |
| 20:50.58 | Bromigo | it's called .vimrc |
| 20:51.12 | kish | works! |
| 20:51.19 | nsadmin | hmm. my 2tb drive is just at the limit of mbr partition tables |
| 20:51.29 | nsadmin | this is good to know :) |
| 20:51.54 | Bromigo | kish no problemo |
| 20:51.55 | rypervenche | kish: You can also copy /etc/vim/vimrc to ~/.vimrc and uncomment everything you want (syntax being one of them) |
| 20:52.14 | kish | rypervenche, oh |
| 20:52.18 | nsadmin | ChibaPet, -causing- it to be installed? try apt-cache policy <packagename> |
| 20:52.20 | kish | that could be useful |
| 20:52.53 | nsadmin | I thought you said you only needed to know whether it was installed |
| 20:53.14 | nsadmin | also, aptitude why [ not ] packagename |
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| 20:55.36 | nsadmin | Bromigo, according to wikipedia, gpt has been supported since linux-2.5.8 |
| 20:55.46 | ChibaPet | ah, thank you - aptitude why is exactly what I wanted |
| 20:56.33 | Bromigo | nsadmin oh I had no doubt it was supported by the kernel, I was just wondering if the Debian installer did |
| 20:57.07 | nsadmin | what support would the installer give? oh, to write one to an empty drive? |
| 20:57.26 | frikinz | Hi. Does anyone has a good understanding of wifi and cfg80211? what happened here: http://paste.debian.net/159058/ ? I got a disconnection between pc and wifiN router but not sure why. |
| 20:57.38 | nsadmin | (late installers are all 2.6+ kernels) |
| 20:57.58 | Bromigo | nsadmin yeah I mean could it create its own GPTs |
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| 20:58.11 | frikinz | during a big file transfer at 1.2MB/s |
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| 21:00.05 | iluminator101 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:00.18 | Bromigo | nsadmin every time I create a new table in the installer it doesn't even ask, it's always regular MBR |
| 21:01.34 | spacedust | a distupgrade failed |
| 21:01.34 | nsadmin | may or may not be relevent: http://us.generation-nt.com/answer/bug-428329-bug-debian-installer-initramfs-when-i-use-guid-partition-table-gpt-crypted-root-filesystem-help-167552771.html |
| 21:01.40 | spacedust | could anyone help me with this : http://dpaste.com/713766/ |
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| 21:03.45 | spacedust | apt-get -f install fails the same way ... |
| 21:04.16 | ompaul | spacedust: you can't upgrade from ubuntu to debian |
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| 21:04.30 | ompaul | there is stuff in there for lucid - who knows what pain it brings |
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| 21:04.44 | fivre | so I just tried to use "mkdir -p /foo/bar" and got a directory named "-p" and then it told me I couldn't make the other one |
| 21:04.48 | fivre | what the hell? |
| 21:04.54 | spacedust | ompaul: im not upgrading from ubuntu |
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| 21:05.10 | Delf | My kern.log is spammed with this: Mar 8 22:01:08 GXT3 kernel: [26942.423262] Unknown InputIN=bridge OUT= PHYSIN=tinc MAC=ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:00:ff:fb:fa:6b:92:08:00 SRC=10.0.0.235 DST=255.255.255.255 LEN=42 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=128 ID=28520 PROTO=UDP SPT=54096 DPT=2008 LEN=22 |
| 21:05.17 | ompaul | spacedust: I see lucid in there in the files - sorry not interested you made a frankendebian |
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| 21:05.38 | spacedust | ompaul: i did not ... |
| 21:05.40 | Bromigo | Delf it looks like something on your network is spamming the broadcast channel? Not toos ure |
| 21:06.13 | Delf | but why is every single broadcast have to be logged? |
| 21:06.15 | frikinz | and its a windows machine |
| 21:06.18 | nsadmin | spacedust, put your sources.list in a pastebin |
| 21:06.52 | Bromigo | Delf I'm not sure, logging is beyond me. I usually disable it completely, because like you the kernel likes to thrash them |
| 21:08.07 | ompaul | yay I made another mistake |
| 21:08.11 | Delf | :( |
| 21:08.13 | spacedust | nsadmin: http://dpaste.com/713767/ lsb says squuze now ... |
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| 21:09.11 | ompaul | nsadmin: I caught it again |
| 21:10.10 | themill | spacedust: it might be easiest to remove the zend sources.list line and all their packages prior to trying to complete this upgrade. You should also get rid of the lenny-backports line |
| 21:10.11 | frikinz | Delf: have a look in the packet? |
| 21:10.30 | Delf | frikinz: What do you mean? |
| 21:11.20 | frikinz | Delf: read the content of the packet |
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| 21:11.58 | Delf | frikinz: How is that done? |
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| 21:22.17 | Underscore | Hey, I'm having trouble with my headphones - when playing music, the speakers in my screen continue to play, and the microphone in the headphones doesn't work either |
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| 21:25.25 | tdrusk | Underscore: I may have a solution for you. What kind of computer? Can you post lspci -v in pastebin? |
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| 21:26.57 | tdrusk | Underscore: /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf maybe try adding an option line specific to your hardware. I had to add options snd-hda-intel model=thinkpad and upgrade alsa from testing to get it to work. |
| 21:27.42 | Underscore | tdrusk: here's the lspci: http://paste.debian.net/159063/ |
| 21:28.02 | Underscore | tdrusk: What would I have to add for a non-laptop device? |
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| 21:28.32 | tdrusk | I am not sure. I honestly don't know much about it. |
| 21:29.11 | tdrusk | Underscore: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HdaIntelSoundHowto maybe this will help.. |
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| 21:31.43 | nyingen | I have some more questions about fonts |
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| 21:32.20 | nyingen | in /usr/share/fonts/X11/100dpi/, there are a bunch of .pcf files |
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| 21:32.57 | nyingen | however, fonts.alias in that dir is very small and only seems to list instances of Lucida Sans |
| 21:34.00 | nyingen | is that right, or do I need to configure something? |
| 21:34.12 | nyingen | and where does xfontsel get its information? how does this relate to 'fontconfig'? |
| 21:34.33 | nyingen | sorry for all these questions, but IMO fonts are possibly the most annoying aspect of linux usage |
| 21:34.45 | spacedust | i got a big bad working that it cant switch to ... │ Unable to migrate to dependency-based boot system │ |
| 21:34.49 | spacedust | can i reboot ? |
| 21:34.56 | spacedust | will sshd restart if the kernel boots ? |
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| 21:35.03 | spacedust | without this dependency based boot system ? |
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| 21:35.32 | themill | spacedust: the message should tell you what packages (or what init scripts) it didn't like -- can you pastebin the whole thing? |
| 21:36.29 | spacedust | i rebooted |
| 21:36.37 | infernix | ugh. why does copying large amounts of data off of an nfs share to a local usb disk completely kill my desktop |
| 21:37.08 | infernix | it's like the IOs totally lock up the cpu, even slowing down keyboard input for up to a minute at a time |
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| 21:37.25 | spacedust | themill: /win 17 |
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| 21:37.54 | nsadmin | infernix, notice you have two ios going at once in that copy |
| 21:38.02 | nsadmin | net and usb |
| 21:39.02 | nsadmin | not saying it shouldn't be faster or anything... and I am saying you have at least a pair of things to check out |
| 21:41.06 | nsadmin | for example... do you have usb kbd/mouse? |
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| 21:44.24 | infernix | nsadmin: i just don't understand when my gige only does about 30mb/sec to my usb disk, opening a pdf on my local harddrive stalls for up to 30 seconds at a time |
| 21:44.50 | spacedust | muahahahahaha |
| 21:44.52 | tdrusk | infernix: This happens in debian for some reason. http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=42514 maybe change swappiness |
| 21:45.02 | spacedust | DEBIAN TITLE : ROCK SOLID : LEVEL 600 |
| 21:45.51 | Underscore | tdrusk: So I tried that guide, but it didn't work :( |
| 21:45.55 | Bromigo | tdrusk is there a way to change swappiness and have it persist over reboots? |
| 21:46.01 | thewanderer1 | infernix, probably because desktop environments often do black magic which involves I/O on their own |
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| 21:46.11 | infernix | tdrusk: swap usage = 0mb |
| 21:46.23 | infernix | thewanderer1: awesomewm doesn't really do much |
| 21:46.37 | Delf | going to install "testing/sid". Wish me luck! |
| 21:46.47 | Bromigo | tdrusk nevermind, guess I already did that |
| 21:46.50 | thewanderer1 | infernix, it's about UI toolkits more than the window manager - Qt and GTK always seem to stop when I/O is in progress |
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| 21:47.29 | jhutchins_lt | Delf: testing and sid are different releses. Mixing is not recommended/supported. |
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| 21:49.25 | infernix | still, I don't see why. i renice'd all the copying processes to 20 and ionice'd them to the idle class |
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| 21:49.39 | frikinz | infernix: what does the 3rd line say in top? There's a nice tool called latencytop but you'd need a special kernel |
| 21:50.28 | infernix | it mostly gets stuck in iowait but i have at least 2 out of 4 cores idling |
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| 21:51.35 | Delf | jhutchins_lt: What!? I'm lost |
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| 21:54.26 | Delf | jhutchins_lt: Ok, I got it. It is testing (wheezy) want. not unstable |
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| 21:55.04 | infernix | i mean i'd go out and buy me a brand new system if this io deadlock shit would stop |
| 21:55.10 | infernix | but i doubt it would |
| 21:56.28 | Nik0s | Hey guys |
| 21:57.12 | Nik0s | What is the best place to look for a nice debian documentation? |
| 21:57.28 | kevlarman | infernix: uname -r? |
| 21:57.39 | Nik0s | Im a big Linux noob, and i want to know more about how it works |
| 21:58.33 | Nik0s | like where the config files are, where the kernel know which program to start etc |
| 21:58.46 | Nik0s | is the debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ a good one? |
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| 21:59.57 | ompaul | http://www.debian.org/doc/ is the root of the document tree, all things are good, are they what you want, you will have to decide, but that is a good place to start |
| 22:00.14 | Nik0s | ok thanks |
| 22:00.29 | Nik0s | i will start reading :) |
| 22:00.39 | Nik0s | see you later, just found the channel here |
| 22:00.44 | Nik0s | bye |
| 22:00.46 | Trewas | infernix: kernel 3.2 actually helps a lot overall system responsiveness during high writing load |
| 22:01.13 | kevlarman | Trewas: something specific to 3.2? |
| 22:01.28 | kevlarman | i remember the issue going away around 2.6.36-38 |
| 22:01.41 | Trewas | kevlarman: http://kernelnewbies.org/Linux_3.2#head-fbc26b4522e4e990a9ea1aebd4a73a68e8ee5e07 |
| 22:01.59 | kevlarman | Trewas: then i guess it was related to me upgrading my ram |
| 22:02.27 | kevlarman | Trewas: oh ew |
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| 22:02.33 | kevlarman | that issue bit me badly |
| 22:02.34 | Trewas | this core i7 system was pretty much unusable with 3.0 while for example extracting large archives, with 3.2 its perfectly fine |
| 22:02.43 | kevlarman | glad to know it's fixed |
| 22:04.19 | infernix | kevlarman: 3.2.7 |
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| 22:04.40 | ivan143 | ciao |
| 22:04.44 | ivan143 | *list |
| 22:04.47 | infernix | running on sid |
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| 22:05.14 | infernix | so not exactly running with outdated stuff |
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| 22:08.42 | xrdodrx | Will the ARM9 VIA WM8650 CPU work with the armel Debian image? |
| 22:08.50 | xrdodrx | Or do I need something else? |
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| 22:12.41 | spacedust | anyone has any idea whats going wrong here : http://pastebin.com/z78jdJ0W |
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| 22:15.57 | infernix | spacedust: userdel: user snmp is currently logged in |
| 22:16.08 | infernix | lol? |
| 22:16.27 | rypervenche | spacedust: How did you screw your system up so much? |
| 22:16.29 | infernix | spacedust: chown: invalid group: `root:messagebus' |
| 22:17.06 | spacedust | rypervenche: dist-upgrade :) |
| 22:17.09 | infernix | you got hacked? pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 22:17.15 | spacedust | infernix: no :) |
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| 22:18.33 | infernix | spacedust: groupadd -g 106 messagebus; apt-get -f install |
| 22:18.38 | infernix | no idea how you broke that group tho |
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| 22:18.57 | spacedust | infernix: it just broke somehow :) dont know neither :) |
| 22:19.16 | nsadmin | longshot, but worth checking: df |
| 22:19.23 | spacedust | grep -i 106 /etc/group |
| 22:19.24 | spacedust | sambashare:x:106: |
| 22:19.24 | spacedust | lol |
| 22:19.29 | spacedust | infernix: :)))) |
| 22:19.44 | spacedust | it couldnt add the group i think |
| 22:19.50 | infernix | spacedust: find a free gid > 100 < 200 |
| 22:19.58 | infernix | any should do in theory |
| 22:20.01 | spacedust | infernix: yes yes but how does the installer do this ? find a free one ? |
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| 22:20.30 | infernix | it shouldn't; it should already have existed in the first place |
| 22:20.37 | infernix | unless you deleted it beforehand |
| 22:21.00 | spacedust | infernix: i didnt ... |
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| 22:21.13 | spacedust | infernix: great now i got rid of two things its just the snmpd problem there |
| 22:21.42 | spacedust | user logged in ? where does he gets that info ? |
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| 22:21.50 | infernix | apt-get install slay; slay snmp; apt-get install |
| 22:21.56 | infernix | ps axuwf|grep snmp |
| 22:22.51 | spacedust | snmp 1198 0.0 0.0 1940 784 ? Ss 22:56 0:00 /sbin/rpc.statd |
| 22:22.56 | spacedust | not yet slain |
| 22:23.09 | infernix | lol |
| 22:23.18 | infernix | you totally messed up your group and/or password file |
| 22:23.38 | infernix | might want to compare with backups in /var/backups/ |
| 22:23.51 | spacedust | what did i mess up ? |
| 22:23.56 | spacedust | i didnt touched neither |
| 22:23.56 | infernix | statd shouldn't in any circumstance be running as that user |
| 22:24.02 | spacedust | infernix: i didnt ocnfig this !!! |
| 22:24.36 | infernix | well you or sometthing/someone on that box. you sure you dindnt get hacked? |
| 22:25.08 | spacedust | after the slaughter : http://pastebin.com/kxenYzXG |
| 22:25.50 | spacedust | infernix: cant say not administered by me ... stupid from me to accept to upgrade it ... |
| 22:26.36 | nate_h | what the hell is with the snmpd package |
| 22:26.45 | nate_h | you enable the service on boot and it enabled snmpd |
| 22:26.52 | nate_h | but then the status command also checks for snmptrapd |
| 22:26.59 | nate_h | and returns some funky error code for the status |
| 22:27.04 | nate_h | why are they coupled like that |
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| 22:27.51 | spacedust | nate_h: no idea, not set up by me |
| 22:28.18 | nate_h | so the start / stop / restart options all check if you WANTED either or both of the services |
| 22:28.23 | spacedust | snmp:x:101:65534::/var/lib/snmp:/bin/false |
| 22:28.23 | spacedust | snmp:x:103:65534::/var/lib/snmp:/bin/false |
| 22:28.24 | spacedust | hahh |
| 22:28.25 | nate_h | but status doesn't care and then returns some shit code |
| 22:28.35 | nate_h | which messes with my puppet system :P |
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| 22:29.12 | nate_h | http://www.pastie.org/3551636 |
| 22:29.12 | nate_h | see |
| 22:29.20 | nate_h | it should have if/else in the status portion too |
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| 22:30.41 | nsadmin | you have two snmp users? |
| 22:31.02 | engammalsko | I enabled rewrite with this command: sudo a2enmod rewrite... How do I disable it again? |
| 22:31.19 | infernix | engammalsko: a2dismod |
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| 22:31.40 | spacedust | infernix: solved it by removing one of the snmp users |
| 22:31.53 | engammalsko | infernix: Oh, that sounded very obvious... |
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| 22:33.45 | spacedust | if i did dpk-reconfigure -a and then hit esc and control +c |
| 22:33.52 | spacedust | did any config file got changed ? |
| 22:34.24 | nsadmin | interrupting something like that could be... problematic... |
| 22:35.22 | spacedust | nsadmin: so what should i do ? |
| 22:35.32 | spacedust | rerun it ? |
| 22:35.40 | spacedust | but i didnt intended to :) |
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| 22:47.44 | engammalsko | Can I see my history somehow? |
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| 22:47.56 | dondelelcaro | engammalsko: history |
| 22:48.11 | engammalsko | dondelelcaro: slash history? Didn't work |
| 22:48.14 | dondelelcaro | though without knowing the history of what you're actually intesred in, we can't say. |
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| 22:48.18 | klawd | hi! |
| 22:48.35 | klawd | how can i copy all files a got per "find" and grepped out? |
| 22:48.36 | dondelelcaro | engammalsko: history. the shell command. If you mean something else specific, you'll have to ask a specific question. |
| 22:48.38 | engammalsko | dondelelcaro: sorry, irc history |
| 22:48.51 | dondelelcaro | engammalsko: /last, but that's not really on topic here. |
| 22:48.56 | spacedust | nsadmin: i have a separate /home yes |
| 22:49.11 | klawd | i basically got a list of files, how can i copy them all to one destination? |
| 22:49.13 | dondelelcaro | klawd: you want file which match a grep expression copied? |
| 22:49.26 | klawd | dondelelcaro: pretty much, yes |
| 22:49.34 | engammalsko | dondelelcaro: Didn't work. There was someone who help me with a question here some minutes ago. Trying to found out what I asked for. |
| 22:49.50 | dondelelcaro | klawd: find . -blah blah -type f -print0|xargs -0 cp -t foodir |
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| 22:50.48 | klawd | dondelelcaro: find . |grep png |xargs -0 -t ../dump returns args: argument line too long |
| 22:50.59 | klawd | err |
| 22:51.04 | engammalsko | The command was something like rewrite enmod. It enabled me to use rewrite in apache. |
| 22:51.12 | dondelelcaro | engammalsko: a2enmod rewrite |
| 22:51.15 | engammalsko | ty |
| 22:51.31 | klawd | dondelelcaro: yeah, argument line too long |
| 22:51.35 | dondelelcaro | klawd: if you want files that end in png, find . -type f -iname '*.png' -print0|xargs -0 cp -t ../dump; |
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| 22:51.56 | dondelelcaro | klawd: but you'll notice the differences between your example and mine. man find, man xargs, read about -print0 and -0 |
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| 22:52.04 | spacedust | what happens if you force kill a dpk-reconfigure hit esc try to exit press control +c at about 1/2 minute runnig it ? |
| 22:52.14 | spacedust | then reboot doesnt gets you back a running system ? |
| 22:52.25 | dondelelcaro | spacedust: depends on what you canceled out of |
| 22:52.28 | klawd | dondelelcaro: will do, thank you |
| 22:52.31 | spacedust | dondelelcaro: well no ide ... |
| 22:52.39 | spacedust | dondelelcaro: but probably something importand ..... |
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| 22:52.39 | dondelelcaro | spacedust: then tell us what the system is doing |
| 22:52.47 | spacedust | dondelelcaro: no idea :) cant see its output |
| 22:53.04 | dondelelcaro | spacedust: did it boot at all? do you see any output? does grub work? what is the last thing you see? |
| 22:53.11 | spacedust | dondelelcaro: but if i get console what can i do ? boot a live media ? fix it that way ? |
| 22:53.18 | spacedust | dondelelcaro: no cause its remote |
| 22:53.26 | dondelelcaro | spacedust: so? use a serial console. |
| 22:53.29 | dondelelcaro | or kvm |
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| 22:53.50 | spacedust | dondelelcaro: i rebooted 2 times then third time i fixed the dbus problem and the snmpd by removing a use from the passswd and shadow files .... |
| 22:54.02 | spacedust | then did the dpk-reconfigure -a ... kill ... then reboot ... |
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| 22:54.18 | dondelelcaro | spacedust: yes, but without a serial console or a kvm, I can't tell you what failed. |
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| 22:54.26 | dondelelcaro | (or some other OOB tool) |
| 22:54.41 | dondelelcaro | spacedust: please keep it in the channel |
| 22:54.57 | spacedust | dondelelcaro: but even then if grub loads what other thing might it be thats failing ? |
| 22:55.16 | spacedust | well with an output i know more also i know :) but im trying my best guesses right now |
| 22:55.19 | spacedust | on whats going on |
| 22:56.07 | dondelelcaro | spacedust: 1) wrong kernel options 2) wrong root delay 3) wrong root device 4) wrong kernel 5) no initramfs 6) a few dozen other things that I'm not going to bother to list |
| 22:56.35 | spacedust | dondelelcaro: but i didnt change and kernel or anything related to that ... dont know what dpk did ... |
| 22:56.38 | dondelelcaro | figuring that out is why you always have a OOB management method if you're going to do remote maintenance. |
| 22:57.02 | spacedust | dondelelcaro: i know ... i always make it available if im working on my own systems |
| 22:57.12 | spacedust | its impossible to work without that ... properly ... |
| 22:57.41 | spacedust | kvm over ip would be wonderfull |
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| 23:01.31 | BitPuffin | Are the xf86 ati drivers accelerated? |
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| 23:02.52 | kevlarman | BitPuffin: depends on your hardware and the driver version, but generally speaking yes |
| 23:04.23 | BitPuffin | hd 4850 allright |
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