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| 00:07.24 | fservc | Hi |
| 00:07.45 | fservc | I installed debian to my hd using an usb to sata, and the mbr of /dev/sda was rewritten. |
| 00:08.29 | fservc | I believe ms-sys would be used to fix this, but how about getting grub on /dev/sdb (the ide via usb) |
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| 00:09.30 | fservc | fix this means replace grub with windows mbr... |
| 00:09.54 | fservc | This is also windows 7, and a freinds laptop :/ |
| 00:10.03 | fservc | i'm getting kind of sick :/ |
| 00:10.45 | peterS | is it just me or is vlc 2 in debian not able to read DVD menus? |
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| 00:11.22 | fservc | The program is outdated, any alternatives? Cannot compile. |
| 00:11.47 | abrotman | peterS: you mean like the main menu? |
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| 00:12.40 | fservc | Because of dvd encodings? |
| 00:12.41 | peterS | abrotman: right, well, any menus on the dvd. to me, 'vlc dvd://' just starts playing the first title on the disc and appears to have no other way to operate. I can skip around between titles and chapters, but only via vlc's menus, not the DVD's own menus |
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| 00:12.55 | abrotman | i can try |
| 00:13.17 | peterS | hmmm, sid has 2.0.0-6 and I only have 2.0.0-2. I wonder if this has been fixed.. |
| 00:13.26 | abrotman | judd: versions vlc |
| 00:13.27 | judd | Package: vlc on i386 -- lenny: 0.8.6.h-4+lenny3; lenny-security: 0.8.6.h-4+lenny3; squeeze: 1.1.3-1squeeze6; squeeze-security: 1.1.3-1squeeze6; sid: 2.0.0-6; wheezy: 2.0.0-6; sid-multimedia: 1:2.0.0-0.1; wheezy-multimedia: 1:2.0.0-0.1 |
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| 00:14.09 | peterS | the changelog doesn't show anything interesting between -2 and -6 (mostly fixes for kfreebsd), but I'll try an upgrade.. |
| 00:15.05 | abrotman | pft .. i can't play the DVD at all .. but i don't normally use VLC |
| 00:15.30 | peterS | you have libdvdcss2 installed? I think that's what vlc uses for encrypted dvds |
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| 00:15.42 | abrotman | well, if i play the VOB, it seems to work |
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| 00:15.53 | abrotman | oh, but it went stragiht to the movie |
| 00:16.10 | sharpK | is there something I can add to xorg.conf to have my nvidia card (finally outputting HDMI video to TV) also output the audio from HDMI (I had it working on ubuntu, but now aplay -l does not show it.....? |
| 00:16.12 | peterS | yeah, the .vob basically is an mpeg file, so that's expected. but you can't just 'vlc dvd://' ? |
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| 00:16.36 | abrotman | and apparently i don't have libdvdcss |
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| 00:16.43 | abrotman | thought libdvdread was enough ? |
| 00:16.48 | gnarface | for the menus to work in vlc you need libdvdread and or libdvdnav i believe, in addition to libdvdcss2 (for decrypting commercial ones) |
| 00:17.01 | gnarface | you may need all 3 |
| 00:17.14 | peterS | gnarface: thanks, I'll check |
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| 00:17.42 | peterS | hmm I have both libdvdread4 and libdvdnav4 but they aren't the very latest sid versions |
| 00:18.00 | abrotman | i have read and nav .. but not css |
| 00:18.23 | gnarface | o |
| 00:19.02 | gnarface | i'm on sid and i have: libdvdcss2 1.2.11-0.0, libdvdnav4 4.2.0-1, and libdvdread4 4.2.0-1 and vlc 1.1.13-1+b1 |
| 00:19.09 | gnarface | and menus work for me |
| 00:19.19 | gnarface | that libdvdcss may have come from vlc's repo not sid though |
| 00:19.24 | peterS | gnarface: yeah when I used vlc 1.1.13, menus worked. they stopped working when I upgraded to vlc 2.0.0 |
| 00:20.09 | peterS | ha! gnarface for the win. I upgraded to the _latest_ libdvdread4, libdvdnav4 and now menus work again |
| 00:20.25 | peterS | thanks dude! |
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| 00:21.09 | gnarface | no problem peterS |
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| 00:22.43 | abrotman | hrm .. guess I'm just SOL |
| 00:23.17 | peterS | abrotman: if you 'vlc dvd://' what does it do? |
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| 00:24.47 | abrotman | peterS: throws an error |
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| 00:25.36 | abrotman | peterS: complains about no CSS |
| 00:26.01 | peterS | abrotman: so, probably a libdvdcss2 thing. I get that from debian-multimedia. I don't get anything _else_ from there. |
| 00:26.22 | gnarface | abrotman: i have this commented out in my /etc/sources.list, it might put you on the right trail: |
| 00:26.24 | gnarface | # replacement libdvdcss2 because amd64 builds are missing right now on the videolan.org repository |
| 00:26.29 | gnarface | #deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org sid main non-free |
| 00:26.57 | gnarface | abrotman: i'm pretty sure i just added that once to install libdvdcss and then commented it back out |
| 00:26.58 | abrotman | right, i removed libdvdcss |
| 00:27.07 | abrotman | peterS: i used to have it, i removed it |
| 00:27.19 | gnarface | abrotman: also i have this: |
| 00:27.24 | gnarface | # only for libdvdcss2: |
| 00:27.24 | gnarface | #deb http://download.videolan.org/pub/videolan/debian sid main |
| 00:27.24 | gnarface | #deb-src http://download.videolan.org/pub/videolan/debian sid main |
| 00:27.28 | gnarface | jesus, sorry |
| 00:27.35 | abrotman | gnarface: i suspect it's the libdvdcss ..VLC seems pretty upset i don't have it |
| 00:27.50 | abrotman | css /usr/share/doc/libdvdread4/README.css |
| 00:27.57 | abrotman | uhm .. see |
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| 00:28.46 | gnarface | yea, if you download it you MIGHT be pegged as a terrorist. |
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| 00:29.04 | abrotman | i know .. not a big deal |
| 00:29.10 | arietis | is there any way to check WAN network connection uptime via terminal? |
| 00:29.19 | abrotman | $EMPLOYER may not be happy about it |
| 00:29.23 | peterS | I love how, of the two options I have for watching movies, one involves the terrorist library, and the other involves bittorrent |
| 00:29.31 | abrotman | peterS: hehe |
| 00:29.36 | gnarface | i find the industry conspiracy to keep dvd play off of linux to be unconscionable |
| 00:29.37 | peterS | (I don't have a DVD player other than my linux box) |
| 00:29.44 | abrotman | arietis: uptime of what? the device or the connection ? |
| 00:29.51 | arietis | abrotman: connection |
| 00:29.56 | abrotman | peterS: i have a PS3, so i don't mind much |
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| 00:30.59 | peterS | I don't imagine the copyright police actually care very much about libdvdcss2 anymore. I bet nowadays it's all about the bluray piracy |
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| 00:31.31 | abrotman | whihc is also broken |
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| 00:31.43 | peterS | maybe so but it has nothing to do with libdvdcss (: |
| 00:31.50 | abrotman | i know |
| 00:32.16 | gnarface | are there even blue-ray drives+drivers yet? |
| 00:32.34 | peterS | ummm, I don't know. I don't have one, anyway. |
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| 00:32.52 | abrotman | gnarface: VLC asks me about it, i presume so .. let me try a bluray in my box |
| 00:33.12 | peterS | I'm pretty sure the debian archive is published as bluray images these days, so somebody must players and even writers. |
| 00:34.25 | abrotman | doesn't want to play it |
| 00:34.36 | sharpK | is there something I can add to xorg.conf to have my nvidia card (finally outputting HDMI video to TV) also output the audio from HDMI (I had it working on ubuntu, but now aplay -l does not show it.....? |
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| 00:34.52 | abrotman | oh wait .. maybe i didn't buy a bluray with tihs box :) |
| 00:35.20 | abrotman | nope, i didn't, just a dvdram |
| 00:35.43 | peterS | one of these days they're gonna come up with a more wizardly optical drive technology, using octarine lasers |
| 00:35.51 | abrotman | orange lasers? |
| 00:36.03 | abrotman | :) |
| 00:36.30 | gnarface | i think it'd be ultra violet lasers. orange would be back towards the wider end of the spectrum where red is |
| 00:36.45 | gnarface | we've already leapfrogged octarine |
| 00:37.02 | gnarface | right? |
| 00:37.09 | gnarface | not my area of expertise |
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| 00:37.57 | abrotman | guesses he just didn't care about blu-ray when he bought this laptop |
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| 00:38.27 | gnarface | i'm just waiting for holographic cube storage |
| 00:38.31 | kevlarman | obviously they should skip uv and go straight to xrays |
| 00:38.36 | gnarface | hah |
| 00:38.51 | gnarface | sure, why not |
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| 00:39.02 | kevlarman | conveniently ignores that fact that uv is quite a bit wider than visible light |
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| 00:39.55 | jubei | Hello everyone. Could somebody help me troubleshoot why an anacron task doesn't run? (i have the script inside cron.daily) |
| 00:40.00 | peterS | at some point we'll stop using mechanically spinning discs for storage. HD -> SSD, CD/DVD/BR -> flash stick |
| 00:40.33 | jubei | i made the file executable for root, should I be making it +x for others too? |
| 00:40.47 | peterS | imagine going from spinning platter to solid state. I'm sure it would be a big hit for game consoles. you could call such a thing a 'cartridge'. |
| 00:41.01 | swart | peterS: that's just crazy talk |
| 00:41.17 | abrotman | peterS: and we'll be back to nintendo days :) |
| 00:41.21 | peterS | exactly |
| 00:41.26 | peterS | everything old is new again |
| 00:41.51 | abrotman | peterS: i've heard rumors that it might be coming .. a blu-ray is almost as cheap as an 8GB flash stick, perhaps less now |
| 00:42.18 | swart | what could possibly go wrong with storing all the cumulative knowledge of humanity on spinning magnets? |
| 00:42.20 | abrotman | erm .. the other way around :) |
| 00:42.23 | peterS | just you wait. some console will come with an SDHC card slot in it and people will point and laugh at the 'cartridge' days |
| 00:42.31 | abrotman | swart: sarcasm .. solar flares :) |
| 00:42.45 | abrotman | peterS: the PS2 had the memory stick slots IIRC |
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| 00:43.02 | kevlarman | peterS: there's much better places to spend that money (at least on today's consoles) |
| 00:43.21 | kevlarman | RAM comes to mind |
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| 00:43.47 | abrotman | oh, PS portable |
| 00:44.41 | jubei | nvm |
| 00:44.50 | peterS | I wonder if anyone's making any money selling aftermarket Atari cartridge -> emulated USB floppy gizmos |
| 00:44.54 | abrotman | jubgrrr |
| 00:45.14 | abrotman | peterS: why? you have sites like nintendo8.com .. play as many games as you want |
| 00:45.33 | peterS | it's true, nobody needs to do their own ripping anymore |
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| 00:46.10 | gnarface | peterS: i saw one for the commodore 64 that pretends to be a vic 15xx disc drive but is actually a usb flash key you can upload the entire c64 software library to... |
| 00:46.31 | peterS | gnarface: nice. I meant the other way around, but sure. |
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| 00:50.58 | gnarface | peterS: i think this is it http://www.go4retro.com/products/zoomfloppy/ |
| 00:52.14 | gnarface | i can't imagine it'd be much more difficult to do something similar for any old hardware |
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| 00:53.15 | gnarface | you'd have to be a real masochist though - emulators are so much easier |
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| 00:58.22 | derric | I was just surfing on you tube, and some videos caused the time on my computer to change from my time zone to GMT. Also I lost some icons on my taskbar and the sound server crashed. |
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| 00:58.36 | derric | Anybody experienced anything similar? |
| 00:59.01 | derric | By the way I running Squeeze |
| 01:00.16 | abrotman | i can't imagine the video did that, it's flash or HTML5 |
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| 01:02.13 | sharpK | how do I check the nvidia driver version I have installed? |
| 01:02.27 | derric | Flash I think |
| 01:02.31 | gnarface | derric: are you sure you didn't just accidentally start up firefox as root or some other user ? |
| 01:02.41 | gnarface | derric: or even your whole window manager? |
| 01:02.46 | peterS | sharpK: dpkg -l xserver-xorg-video-nouveau - unless you're using the non-free driver instead |
| 01:02.51 | derric | gnarface> derric: or even your whole window manager? |
| 01:02.51 | derric | 20:02 < peterS> sharpK: dpkg -l xserver-xorg-video-nouveau - unless you're |
| 01:03.17 | derric | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:04.06 | sharpK | hmm, I think I might be using the non-free driver (x server with the nvidia control panel) |
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| 01:04.35 | derric | As in addition to the other things, the browser reverts to basic html mode on youtube. |
| 01:04.36 | sharpK | I got it to output video through HDMI, but the audio is still not coming through and it isn't returning the HDMI device in -aplay |
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| 01:07.17 | derric | I've been having trouble with the sound server crashing a lot with youtube videos. Usually closing the browser and reopening it gets things going again. |
| 01:08.09 | derric | The Adobe flash player use to be pretty darn stable till a coulpe of years ago. |
| 01:08.28 | Kamping_Kaiser | you mean, it was stable until it become adobe flash player? :p |
| 01:09.05 | derric | Oh, you mean when it switch from Macromedia? |
| 01:09.22 | Kamping_Kaiser | yeah |
| 01:09.48 | derric | Kamping_Kaiser: That would explain the sudden change to a POS. |
| 01:09.49 | peterS | oh, I dunno, there was a period now lost to history when the macromedia flash browser plugin was notorious for crashing (and taking down the browser) |
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| 01:10.33 | kevlarman | peterS: only difference is it's now run outside the browser process |
| 01:10.35 | derric | Yeah, but after a while, they seemed to get it working fairly well. |
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| 01:11.02 | derric | Then, it it seemed to go bad again... |
| 01:11.29 | kevlarman | actually i'm somehow the only person who has no issues with vdpau in flash |
| 01:11.42 | peterS | sure .. just saying, if anyone thinks the flash plugin got worse after adobe bought macromedia, that's _not_ how I remember it |
| 01:11.58 | derric | I had to install the pulse audio server to hear flv audio. |
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| 01:12.45 | kevlarman | derric: it seems to sometimes use gstreamer (and sometimes alsa just to mess with your head) |
| 01:13.22 | derric | I like the old server better, I get aliasing noise from the pulse audio rather annoying often. |
| 01:13.56 | kevlarman | derric: old one wasn't a server |
| 01:14.12 | derric | kevlarman: What's that, the flash player? |
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| 01:14.36 | kevlarman | no, sound system |
| 01:14.43 | derric | kevlarman: It was called a server, enlightenment audio server? |
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| 01:14.59 | kevlarman | derric: esd was useless |
| 01:15.17 | derric | kevlarman: What ever it was it worked well for me. |
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| 01:15.25 | kevlarman | derric: dmix generally |
| 01:15.32 | kevlarman | which wasn't a sound server |
| 01:15.44 | kevlarman | it had some really irritating issues too though |
| 01:15.57 | derric | kevlarman: Now when I want to do multitrack stuff with Audacity, I have to switch to singule use mode. |
| 01:16.39 | derric | kevlarman: What was it then? So, I guess Pulse is an actual server? |
| 01:17.18 | derric | kevlarman: I remember now, Enlightenment Sound Daemon. |
| 01:17.43 | kevlarman | derric: no one has used esd since dmix became usable |
| 01:18.02 | gnarface | esd and quake motherfucking 3... wow those were the days |
| 01:18.20 | gnarface | back when sound "just worked" in linux |
| 01:18.21 | gnarface | hah |
| 01:18.23 | derric | kevlarman: If the FSF is using Pulse for the Gnome destop, it must have some good quality to it. |
| 01:18.57 | kevlarman | gnarface: wat? |
| 01:19.02 | kevlarman | esd had horrible latency |
| 01:19.05 | gnarface | derric: the primary justification i've heard for pulse thus far is that if you're resampling audio dynamically alsa has terrible quality |
| 01:19.06 | derric | kevlarman: For me it was Quake I, II, & III... |
| 01:19.25 | gnarface | kevlarman: noted |
| 01:19.31 | kevlarman | gnarface: main reason for pulse is hotplugging |
| 01:19.37 | kevlarman | it's just horrible with alsa |
| 01:19.59 | gnarface | luckily i've never had to do either. also, pulse has ruined my day every single time it got installed |
| 01:20.03 | kevlarman | gnarface: unfortunately they decided they didn't care about making existing programs continue to work |
| 01:20.05 | derric | kevlarman: So what is a good solution for alsa |
| 01:21.01 | derric | kevlarman: Is it possible to just turn it off and use Jack instead? |
| 01:21.34 | derric | kevlarman: I still have to figure out how to get jack working fully. |
| 01:21.41 | kevlarman | gnarface: as long as you don't care about wine or any program that make the assumption that writes to audio hardware will block, it's relatively easy to get pulse working well |
| 01:21.52 | gnarface | heh |
| 01:21.54 | gnarface | figures |
| 01:22.37 | kevlarman | gnarface: if you have either of those problems the response i've gotten from #pulseaido is roughly along the lines of "LALALALA I CAN'T HEAR YOU" |
| 01:22.44 | derric | kevlarman: Is there any good docs on how to do that? |
| 01:22.57 | gnarface | kevlarman: hahaha. yea that sounds about right. |
| 01:23.08 | derric | I've run into that myself... |
| 01:23.18 | derric | WTF? |
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| 01:24.59 | derric | kevlarman: I get aliasing pops and crackles annoying often, any idea how to get rid of them. BTW I am using an Alesis Multimix 8 for the sound card. |
| 01:25.32 | kevlarman | derric: in wine? |
| 01:26.55 | derric | kevlarman: No, just under linux. |
| 01:27.21 | derric | kevlarman: I doubt I ever got the sound system to work under wine. |
| 01:27.36 | kevlarman | derric: you could let the pulse daemon have higher (or realtime even) priority |
| 01:27.56 | kba | Is there a way to view the raw network traffic on an interface, preferably on a certain port? Darkstat can generate a hexdump, but converting that to plaintext is quite a mission |
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| 01:28.11 | derric | kevlarman: I'm so glad audacity has a package. I was running it under wine before I installed pulse audio. |
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| 01:28.51 | derric | kevlarman: How could I adjust the pulse priority level? |
| 01:29.13 | kevlarman | derric: it's in the config file for the daemon |
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| 01:30.32 | derric | kevlarman: I seem to have audacity working alright, 2ms latency, although I have to run in single user mode, other wise audacity gates the sound while recording and often just freezes up the whole machine. |
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| 01:32.11 | regi | tem alguem que fala portugues ae? |
| 01:32.30 | abrotman | !pt |
| 01:32.30 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt ) |
| 01:33.08 | derric | kevlarman: in the daemon.conf file? |
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| 01:45.33 | rking | OK I'm feeling dumb. I'm trying to do something like: find . -depth 1 -type f, but I'm getting complaints from "find" about my "-depth". All I want is a list of the current dir's files, like in zsh: *(.) |
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| 01:46.05 | dondelelcaro | rking: find . -type f -maxdepth 1 |
| 01:46.38 | dondelelcaro | or to avoid the warning, find . -maxdepth 1 -type f |
| 01:46.44 | rking | dondelelcaro: Right, yep. Thanks. =) |
| 01:46.51 | gnarface | ,versions php5-common |
| 01:46.52 | judd | Package: php5-common on i386 -- lenny: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny13; lenny-proposed-updates: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny16; lenny-security: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny16; squeeze: 5.3.3-7+squeeze3; squeeze-proposed-updates: 5.3.3-7+squeeze8; squeeze-security: 5.3.3-7+squeeze8; wheezy: 5.3.10-2; sid: 5.4.0-2 |
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| 01:53.41 | Delf | where is the gui for users and groups on wheezy? |
| 01:53.52 | Delf | I can only manage users but not groups |
| 01:54.57 | abrotman | in what? KDE? Gnome? |
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| 01:56.38 | Delf | gnome |
| 01:59.40 | Delf | goes nuts |
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| 02:31.34 | joe9 | how do I pin my release at stable? do I comment the other url's in /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 02:31.54 | sharpK | anyone have audio over HDMI working out of an nVidia card on squeeze? |
| 02:32.18 | joe9 | http://codepad.org/ieXknGL5 is my sources.list |
| 02:32.21 | civillian | joe9: use apt pinning |
| 02:32.23 | seeker61 | i have downloaded netbeans and now i do not see it to open it. I used synaptic package manager |
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| 02:32.38 | seeker61 | i have squeeze |
| 02:32.41 | joe9 | http://codepad.org/bL6l1GHJ is my /etc/apt/apt.conf |
| 02:33.20 | joe9 | civillian: whenever I do upgrade, I do "apt-get update" and "apt-get upgrade". |
| 02:33.26 | joe9 | civillian: is that good enough? |
| 02:34.36 | civillian | joe9: you can have as many urls as you like in sources.list |
| 02:34.42 | civillian | joe9: just use pinning |
| 02:35.23 | joe9 | civillian: oh, the preferences file: http://codepad.org/tZNYbN0Q |
| 02:35.47 | jpinx | joe9: you have mixed sourses - bad boy ;) |
| 02:35.53 | joe9 | http://codepad.org/Rim6GlLZ good enough? |
| 02:35.55 | sukaeto | joe9: http://jaqque.sbih.org/kplug/apt-pinning.html |
| 02:36.06 | sukaeto | oh, nvm |
| 02:36.11 | sukaeto | you've already got that :-) |
| 02:36.16 | civillian | joe9: yep, and you can confirm with apt-cache policy $packagename |
| 02:36.36 | jpinx | joe9: if you want to keep squeeze - just use squeeze by name - nor "stable" which can change |
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| 02:37.13 | jpinx | joe9: you don't need pinning or preferences |
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| 02:41.40 | jpinx | joe9: looks like you used apt-spy and asked for testing - not stable - what do you really want? |
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| 02:42.58 | joe9 | jpinx: that was sometime ago that I used testing. |
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| 02:43.07 | joe9 | I want to stick with whatever stable is. |
| 02:43.19 | joe9 | not woody or squeeze. one of the versions |
| 02:43.24 | joe9 | just stable all the time. |
| 02:43.29 | jpinx | !stable |
| 02:43.30 | dpkg | [stable] The status of a Debian release when no packages will be added or new versions introduced, and changes will only fix security issues and critical bugs. Packages can be removed in rare circumstances. The current stable version of Debian is Squeeze (6.0); ask me about <releases>. Security bugs are fixed in stable by backporting the fix to the current version (ask me about <security backports>). http://wiki.debian.org/DebianStable |
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| 02:44.09 | joe9 | updated sources.list: http://codepad.org/wzBaELaP |
| 02:44.36 | jpinx | joe9: if you use "stable" in your sources list you wil be caught out when stable changes from squeeze to wheezy (sometime this summer9 |
| 02:44.57 | joe9 | oh, really. |
| 02:45.08 | joe9 | what do I do to just stick with whatever the stable is? |
| 02:45.26 | jpinx | you don't |
| 02:45.28 | joe9 | I do not want to keep tracking squeeze or wheezy. they change yearly, it seems. |
| 02:46.12 | jpinx | joe9: why does yur latest sources.list incluse testing? |
| 02:46.21 | joe9 | jpinx: so, I am better off sticking with testing, which is updated all the time and has the latest packages. |
| 02:46.41 | joe9 | jpinx: for circumstances where I use "apt-get install zsh/testing" |
| 02:46.45 | civillian | new question: I'm getting an error when I apt-get update: |
| 02:46.46 | joe9 | or something like that. |
| 02:46.46 | civillian | W: Failed to fetch copy:/var/lib/apt/lists/partial/ftp.au.debian.org_debian_dists_wheezy_main_i18n_Translation-en Encountered a section with no Package: header |
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| 02:46.57 | civillian | can someone shed light on this? |
| 02:47.05 | joe9 | if I want to install a package from testing and not stable. |
| 02:47.06 | nardev | does anyone have experience with 5.3 or 5.5 MySQL on debian? any known issues? |
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| 02:47.38 | joe9 | sukaeto: using apt-pinning, how do you upgrade your packages when stable changes from squeeze to wheezy? |
| 02:47.38 | jpinx | joe9: use backports |
| 02:48.46 | austin987 | howdy. I've recently installed sid on my desktop (pretty standard config). usb/keyboard, mouse, however have issues. If I disable gdm3 and go to cli login, keyboard works. once gdm3 starts, however, mouse cannot click (can move it though), and keyboard is non-functional (CTRL+ALT+F1 does not return to a tty) |
| 02:49.27 | joe9 | jpinx, i think I am better of doing this: http://codepad.org/qxHc4hvP in my /etc/apt/preferences file and stick with "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade" everytime I want to upgrade the packages? |
| 02:50.01 | jpinx | joe9: up to you ;) |
| 02:50.10 | joe9 | jpinx: you get my problem, correct? I just want to stick with the most stable up-to-date packages. |
| 02:50.28 | austin987 | xorg.log: http://pastebin.com/UwAEdBK7 |
| 02:50.48 | joe9 | jpinx: not an old stable system, as there are some packages that I want to be on top of. not use some old version. |
| 02:51.02 | joe9 | jpinx: does that make sense? |
| 02:51.21 | joe9 | sukaeto: does my predicament make sense to you? |
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| 02:52.52 | austin987 | actually, looking at that log, looks like a nouveau bug |
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| 03:00.26 | sharpK | anyone have audio over HDMI working out of an nVidia card on squeeze? |
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| 03:02.58 | edju | When I run an update, a bunch of "Translations" download - like "Get:10 http://debian.uchicago.edu wheezy/main Translation-ro [1,455 B] ". Anyway to stp this, and just get en? |
| 03:03.30 | austin987 | it's http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=632247, for those curious |
| 03:05.08 | jpinx | edju: maybe set your locales |
| 03:07.56 | edju | jpinx, My locales are set to en. |
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| 03:09.21 | edju | Or, more accurately, en_US.UTF-8 |
| 03:09.22 | sukaeto | joe9: sorry, I meandered off after I said what I did |
| 03:09.35 | sukaeto | if you refer to the releases as stable/testing/unstable |
| 03:09.47 | sukaeto | rather than by their release names |
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| 03:10.08 | sukaeto | when wheezy becomes stable, it'll automatically start using wheezy |
| 03:10.23 | sukaeto | so instead of having something like this in sources.list: |
| 03:10.29 | sukaeto | eb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian squeeze main non-free contrib |
| 03:10.30 | jpinx | sukaeto: he's been told that |
| 03:10.33 | sukaeto | you'll have something like this: |
| 03:10.36 | sukaeto | deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian stable main non-free contrib |
| 03:10.49 | sukaeto | jpinx: oh, fair enough |
| 03:10.55 | jpinx | sukaeto: read his pasted source.list |
| 03:11.13 | seeker61 | i have made netbeans-7.1.1-ml-linux.sh useing chmod -x so now what is the command line to install |
| 03:11.13 | sukaeto | yeah, I did - I just didn't remember what I read |
| 03:11.21 | sukaeto | I was answering his question to me |
| 03:11.52 | joe9 | sukaeto: is this a valid url? deb http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US/ stable/debian-non-US main contrib non-free |
| 03:11.58 | joe9 | in sources.list |
| 03:12.09 | joe9 | it does not seem to work with "apt-get update" |
| 03:12.51 | joe9 | http://codepad.org/ttdH0agJ is the error |
| 03:12.55 | sukaeto | it's in the sources.list of the page I linked earlier, so I would *imagine* it's alright? |
| 03:13.01 | sukaeto | I don't have it in mine, though |
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| 03:13.30 | joe9 | sukaeto: you had it using wheezy |
| 03:13.31 | sukaeto | oh |
| 03:13.39 | sukaeto | you know what? |
| 03:13.39 | joe9 | I was trying to change it to use stable instead. |
| 03:13.44 | sukaeto | it may be specific to that particular mirror |
| 03:13.50 | joe9 | oh, ok. |
| 03:13.55 | sukaeto | joe9: actually, I do have it using wheezy |
| 03:14.00 | sukaeto | I just don't have debian-non-us |
| 03:14.10 | sukaeto | (is what I meant when I said it's not in mine) |
| 03:14.20 | sukaeto | but using stable with whatever mirrors you were using that were working |
| 03:14.25 | sukaeto | rather than squeeze |
| 03:14.31 | sukaeto | and testing rather than wheezy |
| 03:14.33 | sukaeto | should work just fine |
| 03:15.10 | sukaeto | the only thing I'm not sure of what happens, if you're pinning |
| 03:15.11 | jpinx | sukaeto: I hope you are around t sort out his mess when wheezy becomes stable ;) |
| 03:15.30 | sukaeto | is when stable switches releases, what happens to the packages you've specifically installed out of other repos |
| 03:15.55 | sukaeto | (i.e which ones you've done a "apt-get install <package>/unstable" or some such on) |
| 03:16.03 | joe9 | a stupid question, I can probably figure out it by googling around. what is the kernel version in debian testing? |
| 03:16.33 | sukaeto | joe9: yeah, I have my sources.list set to wheezy. Should probably change it to testing |
| 03:16.46 | sukaeto | I would just recommend tracking stable in your sources.list if stable's what you want |
| 03:16.54 | joe9 | sukaeto: there should probably be something that will list out all the packages that I have installed using <pkg>/unstable |
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| 03:21.16 | sukaeto | yeah, but I mean |
| 03:21.30 | sukaeto | I don't know if it will try to update those to the NEW unstable, or what it'll do |
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| 03:23.06 | jpinx | sukaeto: you really should avoid advising someone when you don't know what you are talking about |
| 03:23.30 | sukaeto | jpinx: I'm not advising him to use apt-pinning. Just telling him how to do it, since I thought he was asking about it |
| 03:24.05 | sukaeto | and I think the examples in the link I gave confused him |
| 03:24.13 | sukaeto | and now I'm doing a terrible job trying to un-confuse him ;-) |
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| 03:24.49 | sukaeto | so yeah, joe9. Do this at your own risk |
| 03:25.04 | jpinx | joe9: use release names in your sources.list and don't be lazy - change them when the new stable is announced ;) |
| 03:25.40 | sukaeto | that works, too |
| 03:25.46 | joe9 | jpinx, oh, ok. use release names in sources.list. and forget about pinning and all that? |
| 03:25.47 | sukaeto | unless you're forgetful like me and forget to change them |
| 03:26.03 | sukaeto | joe9: ONLY use pinning if you want to, say |
| 03:26.05 | sukaeto | use stable |
| 03:26.06 | jpinx | joe9: unless you really know what yu're doing - yes |
| 03:26.29 | sukaeto | but yet you ABSOLUTELY must have the new version of, for example, XFCE |
| 03:26.37 | sukaeto | and it's available in testing or unstable |
| 03:27.00 | jpinx | !tell joe9 about backports |
| 03:27.07 | sukaeto | (note: XFCE is one of the packages that's more likely to not work inter-release. That was a terrible example.) |
| 03:27.38 | sukaeto | as a general heurstic, I would say that the more dependences a package has, the less likely it'll be to work inter-release |
| 03:27.43 | jpinx | !tell joe about ssb |
| 03:28.01 | jpinx | !tell joe9 about ssb |
| 03:28.22 | jpinx | sorry joe ;) |
| 03:28.25 | joe9 | !tell joe9 about ssb |
| 03:29.23 | joe9 | jpinx, ok, thanks. backports is what I should have been using instead of mucking around with pinning. |
| 03:29.41 | jpinx | !tell joe9 about selftell |
| 03:29.50 | sukaeto | always forgets about backports |
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| 03:30.02 | jpinx | joe9: now you're cooking ;) |
| 03:30.08 | sukaeto | probably because I'm lazy and I hate compiling things ('tis why I stopped using Slackware and started using Debian) |
| 03:30.37 | jpinx | sukaeto: backports has nothing to do with compiling |
| 03:31.02 | sukaeto | jpinx: really? I thought they were some sort of Deb specific build process |
| 03:31.05 | abrotman | well, if he makes his own backport with ssb |
| 03:31.10 | abrotman | !tell sukaeto about ssb |
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| 03:32.33 | gnarface | abrotman: what if i have to make a backport and its not so simple... not completely unsimple, i just want to change the Depends: line in the control file. when i tried doing that with a source directory resulting from apt-get source [package name] it gives me md5sum errors when i try to build it |
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| 03:33.18 | gnarface | abrotman: as i guess i would expect, but ... these are private packages. do you happen to know where i went wrong? do i just have to start from scratch? |
| 03:33.20 | abrotman | gnarface: you'd want to learn how that is generated |
| 03:33.41 | abrotman | or see fi there's a method to ignor ethe md5 |
| 03:33.46 | gnarface | abrotman: oh, so the md5sum complaint isn't something i'd necessarily expect if i tried doing the same thing with another package? |
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| 03:34.05 | gnarface | i get the feeling i just need to delete something |
| 03:34.16 | abrotman | gnarface: if you do it without modifying, does it complain ? |
| 03:34.22 | gnarface | abrotman: nope. |
| 03:34.37 | gnarface | abrotman: and literally all i changed on the depends line was changing libev3 to libev4 |
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| 03:34.57 | gnarface | abrotman: changing it back, the package works |
| 03:35.16 | sukaeto | abrotman: that's what I thought |
| 03:35.26 | sukaeto | actually, I guess "lazy" isn't the right word |
| 03:35.28 | gnarface | abrotman: its a minor annoyance, i can install libev4 manually. its more of an academic question |
| 03:35.31 | sukaeto | in this case |
| 03:35.33 | sukaeto | just impatient |
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| 03:37.57 | civillian | if anyone's interested, it turns out my issue was related to no bzip2 package installed |
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| 03:55.11 | johnfg | hi guys |
| 03:55.48 | johnfg | Is there a known problem/bug in the update for mysql-5.1 5.1.49-3 |
| 03:57.17 | johnfg | Here's what's going on: http://paste.debian.net/159079/ |
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| 04:00.46 | civillian | johnfg: there are known knowns and unknown knowns |
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| 04:03.00 | gnarface | civillian: don't start with that existential bullshit |
| 04:03.18 | civillian | gnarface: actually it was a joke |
| 04:03.37 | gnarface | civillian: this is debian. there are no known unknowns and no unknown knowns |
| 04:03.52 | gnarface | civillian: there are only reported bugs and bugs you should report |
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| 04:04.25 | civillian | johnfg: looks like your mysqld failed to stop, have you tried manually stopping mysqld? |
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| 04:38.44 | spaceace85 | I upgraded to MySQL 5.5 and now it won't start on boot. help! |
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| 04:42.13 | sharpK | anyone have audio over HDMI working out of an nVidia card in squeeze? |
| 04:42.39 | jpinx | spaceace85: how did you upgrade ( I am no expert on MySQL ) |
| 04:42.50 | spaceace85 | used dotdeb repository |
| 04:43.15 | jpinx | apt-get ? |
| 04:43.30 | qdb | hello. bug report: i configured USA and Russia Tatar keymaps. in gnome in squeeze. when i enter gnome, i cannot change keymap with alt shift. but when i tried to change immediately after login it worked. but if i wait when it opens completely, open breowser, it do not work any more, also clicking keyboard application on bar do not work. then i enter parameters of app i.e. key params, go to params, uncheck and check back Alt+Shift to change layot. then it start |
| 04:43.30 | qdb | s to work |
| 04:44.13 | jpinx | spaceace85: did you use apt-get? |
| 04:44.21 | spaceace85 | yep |
| 04:44.52 | jpinx | !judd versions MySQL |
| 04:44.53 | dpkg | jpinx, you probably want to address that to judd, not to me. (Hint: leave off the ! in your command -- that's there to grab my attention not judd's) |
| 04:44.54 | somiaj | spaceace85: dotdeb isn't really supported here, and it isn't that good of a repo from what 've seen |
| 04:45.01 | somiaj | !dotdeb |
| 04:45.01 | dpkg | [dotdeb] for the latest PHP and MySQL releases, packaged up and backported for your pleasure, go to http://dotdeb.org/ , but realize that we cannot support dotdeb packages here, so you will be ON YOUR OWN. The packages from backports.debian.org are vastly superior. Ask me about <backports> and <debian-backports>. "aptitude purge ~Vdotdeb" |
| 04:45.10 | jpinx | judd versions MySQL |
| 04:45.11 | judd | No package named 'MySQL' was found in i386. |
| 04:45.35 | jpinx | ha! |
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| 04:47.34 | peterrooney | ,versions mysql-server |
| 04:47.35 | judd | Package: mysql-server on i386 -- lenny: 5.0.51a-24+lenny5; lenny-security: 5.0.51a-24+lenny5; lenny-backports: 5.1.49-3~bpo50+1; squeeze: 5.1.49-3; sid: 5.1.58-1; wheezy: 5.1.58-1; squeeze-security: 5.1.61-0+squeeze1; sid: 5.1.61-2; experimental: 5.5.17-4 |
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| 05:07.17 | doughj3 | Installing debian 6 on a 1tb hard drive, currently at "Partitions formatting", "Creating ext3 file system for partition#1 of SCSI3 (0,0,0) (sda)...", sitting at 33% for a little while now. Is this expected for a large disk? |
| 05:07.39 | somiaj | doughj3: are you doing an encrypted partition? |
| 05:07.46 | doughj3 | somiaj: Nope. |
| 05:08.15 | somiaj | doughj3: depending on the formating options it sometimes zeros the disk before formating it. This can take a while (Which is default with encrypted partitions) |
| 05:08.26 | doughj3 | Alright, I'll wait it out for a bit. Thanks |
| 05:08.45 | sharpK | anyone have audio over HDMI working out of an nVidia card in squeeze? |
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| 05:13.25 | doughj3 | somiaj: seems to have progressed to the next step. Thanks! :] |
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| 05:18.59 | NishaKitty | kde seems to be trying to use su to run apps as root anyone know how to tell it to use gksu? |
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| 05:19.50 | dsdeiz | hi! with grep i need to do grep -R {pattern} * to search current working dir, would there be a way to exclude the *? |
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| 05:26.37 | doughj3 | Well that's what I get for re-using disks. Installed 32-bit Debian on my 64-bit server :[ |
| 05:28.24 | cardamon | doughj3: Wooh. |
| 05:29.04 | cardamon | could be worse. 64bit on a 32bit. |
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| 05:36.06 | kreedy | anyone have experience making debs of php compiled mysqlnd? everything appears to go well, except when i actually deploy the .debs to a new box, /usr/lib/php5/20090626/*.so are all missing. they do exist in build_dir/debian/php5-mysql/usr/lib/php5/20090626/ though, so i feel like i'm just missing one small thing… |
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| 05:36.41 | kreedy | i'm using dpkg-buildpackage to build after changing flags in debian/rules |
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| 05:37.37 | lawltoad | whats the apt-??? commands to see a list of package updates and assiciated changelogs |
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| 05:48.43 | NishaKitty | I fixed my problem it seems kdesu/kdesud got stuck killing all those processors then rerunning my program prompted for a password again |
| 05:48.50 | NishaKitty | processes* |
| 05:49.01 | NishaKitty | just in case anyone else runs into the issue |
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| 05:56.04 | somiaj | NishaKitty: I think you want kdesudo |
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| 05:57.44 | somiaj | oh seems you figured it out |
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| 05:58.19 | orzo | hello |
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| 05:58.57 | orzo | my webcam seems to have stopped working. Actually, in Cheese, I can take photos, but the real-time video display is blank. Any ideas? |
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| 06:04.04 | orzo | reboot fixed it |
| 06:04.40 | somiaj | orzo: sometimes unloading and reloading the module for the device is enough (as opposed to a full reboot) |
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| 06:06.46 | orzo | i tried that and it didn't work |
| 06:07.10 | orzo | i dont think the webcam device was actually messing up |
| 06:07.17 | orzo | it was DRM or something else along those lines |
| 06:07.30 | orzo | the "photo" functionality worked, so clearly the cam was working |
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| 06:13.08 | lone_wanderer_13 | Any reason why running a console emulator though wine "location" starts it wrong ? |
| 06:13.32 | lone_wanderer_13 | PS1 emulator to clarify |
| 06:14.27 | somiaj | sounds like a #wine question, why does it start it wrong? Have you checked the wine appDB for that program |
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| 06:15.12 | lone_wanderer_13 | If I start it by clicking it in thunar it runs perfect. But when I try to add that command in an openbox menu it starts it but I get errors. =/ |
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| 06:16.57 | lone_wanderer_13 | Not sure why it's doing that since it's basically the same but just running it though a command. |
| 06:17.06 | somiaj | what is thunar? Anyways does it set a custom WINEPREFIX for the appliaction. |
| 06:18.35 | lone_wanderer_13 | I think thats the name of the file manager. The emulator runs perfect when I start it by clicking it. Starting it though that command makes the emulator start with errors. |
| 06:19.04 | somiaj | something is slightly different, you'll have to hunt down what command thunar is running |
| 06:20.27 | lone_wanderer_13 | Not exactly sure whats wrong , trying to google it. |
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| 06:24.52 | lone_wanderer_13 | For some reason starting the emulator from an openbox menu causes errors but just clicking it in a file manager is fine. |
| 06:25.00 | lone_wanderer_13 | So confused. |
| 06:25.30 | somiaj | again, figure out the exact command that is run by your file manager |
| 06:26.00 | somiaj | Also what errors do you get. Are you sure there isn't a custom WINEPREFIX being set by thunar? |
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| 06:27.50 | lone_wanderer_13 | All I'm doing in thunar is just clicking it, not sure what wineprefix is. |
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| 06:29.57 | somiaj | check the thunar preferences, it runs a command a certain way |
| 06:30.31 | somiaj | WINEPREFIX is an env var that states where all of the wine configuration/drive_c, etc is |
| 06:30.44 | somiaj | it defaults to $HOME/.wine/ but you can use this to help run multiple apps wiht out confusion |
| 06:30.52 | somiaj | maybe ls -a $HOME and see if you have multiple .wine-foo dirs |
| 06:31.41 | lone_wanderer_13 | I'm confused how it can run perfectly fine but trying to make a command in an openbox menu breaks it. |
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| 06:32.14 | somiaj | because the command thunar uses to run it and the command you are using to run it are different. Why don't try to figure out what thunar is actually doing. |
| 06:33.32 | lone_wanderer_13 | It's an .exe that I right click and run with wine. Is that not the same as running wine "it's directory" ? |
| 06:34.04 | somiaj | I don't know, I have no clue what thunar is doing. |
| 06:34.21 | somiaj | I just know it is different, which is obvious |
| 06:34.41 | lone_wanderer_13 | I'm literally just going to the folder in my documents that it's in and clicking it. |
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| 06:35.37 | somiaj | but clicking on it dose something, it runs a command. Figure out what that command is |
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| 06:36.00 | lone_wanderer_13 | How would I go about doing that ? |
| 06:36.20 | somiaj | look at the thunar documentation/prefreences/google |
| 06:37.45 | Keith-BlindUser | Hi folks. While I don't have the resources at present, I was looking into deploying Debian stable as an over-all server system. One thing I'm curious about though, is how smoothly the stable upgrades usually go for you folks? Thanks! |
| 06:37.48 | lone_wanderer_13 | Okay I just ran "/home/MYNAME/documents/Emulators/pcsxr/pcsx.exe" in terminal and it ran fine. |
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| 06:38.06 | lone_wanderer_13 | But when I try to run it through an openbox menu it starts it wrong some how ? |
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| 06:38.22 | lone_wanderer_13 | sorry I put wine before that directory also. |
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| 06:38.34 | CookieJar | lone_wanderer_13, there is a linux version of pcsx |
| 06:38.35 | somiaj | lone_wanderer_13: how did you try to run it? With thunar again? |
| 06:38.36 | lone_wanderer_13 | So wine "/home/myname/documents/Emulators/pcsxr/pcsx.exe" |
| 06:38.42 | lone_wanderer_13 | in terminal and it runs perfect. |
| 06:38.53 | somiaj | lone_wanderer_13: so the issue is now with your openbox menu |
| 06:38.59 | lone_wanderer_13 | Correct I think |
| 06:39.08 | CookieJar | ok hold on a moment |
| 06:39.20 | CookieJar | lone_wanderer_13, why do you want to run the windows binary of pcsx |
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| 06:39.29 | neersighted | O.o |
| 06:39.32 | neersighted | odd nickname |
| 06:39.33 | somiaj | Keith-BlindUser: they are usually fairly smooth. the lenny->squeeze one was a bit finky for some people, but over all there is a lot of testing to make them go as smooth as possible |
| 06:39.52 | Keith-BlindUser | Ah. Thanks. |
| 06:40.01 | neersighted | Keith-BlindUser: I did a lenny => squeeze => wheezy with ease |
| 06:40.03 | lone_wanderer_13 | I want to be able to go to my openbox menu and run the emulator |
| 06:40.04 | somiaj | Keith-BlindUser: every release comes with documentenctation to describe some of the potiential issues and safest method of upgrade (as sometimes it is a few steps) |
| 06:40.14 | neersighted | just a dist-upgrade with aptitude did it for me |
| 06:40.20 | lone_wanderer_13 | It's a PS1 emulator , then run games that way instead of going to the directory. |
| 06:40.37 | somiaj | Keith-BlindUser: for example /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze and it will explain the process for that release |
| 06:40.39 | CookieJar | lone_wanderer_13, there is a linux version of pcsx, would probably be easier to add that to the openbox menu than the .exe that has to be opened with wine |
| 06:40.51 | CookieJar | apt-get install pcsxr |
| 06:41.09 | lone_wanderer_13 | I tried that but sadly it has bad audio problems for me which nothing fixed =/ |
| 06:41.14 | CookieJar | hmm |
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| 06:41.27 | andax | just woke up to caps+numlock flashing with an unresponsive computer, i haven't seen this for years , does it still indicate a kernel panic? ( syslog , messages http://pastebin.com/7aykMbec ) ... any ideas where to start looking? |
| 06:41.53 | CookieJar | may I ask what you have for a soundchip / card, I assume it is a realtek integrated |
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| 06:42.21 | Keith-BlindUser | Okay, awesome. I was also curious about something else, though this is even more generalised. I'm curious as I'll be deploying Debian as a stable production system for hosting purposes mainly, if any specific aptitude commands exist for getting rid of allt he downloaded .deb package archives? |
| 06:42.40 | lone_wanderer_13 | Is the command to check that play -a |
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| 06:42.44 | lone_wanderer_13 | I forget |
| 06:42.48 | Keith-BlindUser | Or, would it be best to maybe run something like: apt-get clean in such a stiaution to get rid of the deb package archives. |
| 06:42.53 | CookieJar | not sure |
| 06:43.05 | Keith-BlindUser | erm, situation, even. |
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| 06:43.09 | CookieJar | btw, sound seems fine playing Crash Bandicoot 2 in pcsx on debian testing on my netbook |
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| 06:43.21 | lone_wanderer_13 | But cookiejar why would that command in the terminal not work in openbox ? |
| 06:43.36 | CookieJar | hmm |
| 06:43.45 | CookieJar | it has been a while since I worked with openbox |
| 06:43.51 | lone_wanderer_13 | In the menu config tool , it's under execute and the same command. |
| 06:43.52 | CookieJar | and even then, it was crunchbang |
| 06:44.06 | lone_wanderer_13 | I'm using crunchbang also. |
| 06:44.38 | CookieJar | hmm |
| 06:44.47 | lone_wanderer_13 | Some how the openbox menu config is messing up. |
| 06:45.00 | CookieJar | is your problem that the sound doesn't match with what you are doing |
| 06:45.04 | CookieJar | or is it just sounding bad |
| 06:45.04 | lone_wanderer_13 | Since clicking on the program and running from terminal works perfect. |
| 06:45.09 | lone_wanderer_13 | Um |
| 06:45.40 | lone_wanderer_13 | I tired playing Casltevania SOTN in the linux version but sound had horrible sound static/crackling. |
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| 06:45.47 | lone_wanderer_13 | tried' |
| 06:46.00 | CookieJar | sound seemed kinda unaligned in a 'cutscene' in this game I am using to test, but sound effects and background music seems to be fine |
| 06:46.24 | CookieJar | try crash bandicoot 2 if you have it |
| 06:46.31 | lone_wanderer_13 | ill just have to see what this openbox menu is doing wrong. |
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| 06:47.04 | CookieJar | lone_wanderer_13, are you in #crunchbang as well? they may be able to help you more |
| 06:47.24 | somiaj | you arne't even running debian lone_wanderer_13? |
| 06:47.35 | CookieJar | he is running crunchbang |
| 06:47.42 | CookieJar | which is a preconfigured Debian |
| 06:47.45 | lone_wanderer_13 | Crunchbang. |
| 06:47.50 | CookieJar | that last I checked uses some quite out of date stuff |
| 06:47.53 | somiaj | it isn't debian. |
| 06:47.54 | lone_wanderer_13 | Thought it would be very much the same. |
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| 06:48.12 | somiaj | !crunchbang |
| 06:48.13 | dpkg | CrunchBang Linux is a Live CD distribution originally based on <Ubuntu>, now based on Debian as of version 10, featuring the <Openbox> window manager. It is not supported in #debian. http://www.crunchbanglinux.org/ #crunchbang on irc.freenode.net. See <based on debian>. |
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| 06:48.57 | lone_wanderer_13 | Alright then , this issue is with openbox clearly, but thanks for the help. |
| 06:49.31 | CookieJar | like me and dpkg said, go over to #crunchbang |
| 06:50.32 | CookieJar | anyhow, I can use some help getting a wireless manager icon to show up in my tint2 bar and to be able to connect |
| 06:50.44 | CookieJar | currently via wicd-curses I can view but I have had problems trying to connect |
| 06:51.09 | CookieJar | I know in experience that my wifi adapter is supported in linux |
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| 06:51.49 | somiaj | CookieJar: what wireless card? Does it require non-free firmware and have you installed it? |
| 06:52.11 | CookieJar | it is an atheros wireless chip |
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| 06:52.19 | CookieJar | cannot remember the exact one |
| 06:52.27 | CookieJar | it is the one that comes with the Acer Aspire One |
| 06:52.33 | CookieJar | ZG5 |
| 06:52.55 | somiaj | there is a firmware-atheros, it is non-free which isn't enabled by default. It could be you were just missing the firmware |
| 06:53.04 | CookieJar | (I do not care if something is non-free or is free) |
| 06:53.26 | somiaj | correct, so debian gives you the option to install non-free software they are allowed to distribute (Such as firmware) |
| 06:53.36 | somiaj | it just isn't enabled by default, it is an option you have to actually add. |
| 06:53.44 | somiaj | but once you do, then you install stuff just lke any other package |
| 06:53.48 | dannN | Hi, i have an debian squeeze webserver. now i noticed, that if my php script throws an exception, it will displayed to the screen. but if i forgot an closing bracket or something like that, i just get a white site. what must i change in the php.ini to display all errors? |
| 06:53.49 | CookieJar | doesn't the debian install prompt you on the matter? |
| 06:53.56 | sharpK | anyone have audio over HDMI working out of an nVidia card in squeeze? |
| 06:54.26 | somiaj | CookieJar: by default your sources.list only includes the 'main' section of debian, you have to go add the 'non-free' and maybe 'contrib' if you want it. So by default your apt just dosen't see the non-free packages |
| 06:54.44 | somiaj | CookieJar: once you enable the non-free repo, apt will see all the packages and you can install them just like any other package via apt. |
| 06:55.02 | CookieJar | oh jeez sources.list, I remember having to edit it before |
| 06:55.20 | CookieJar | in previous linux experiments |
| 06:55.22 | CookieJar | and attempts |
| 06:55.23 | CookieJar | etc |
| 06:55.29 | somiaj | CookieJar: it would be nice if the installer asked if you wanted non-free packages when you installed, but in it's current form it doesn't. |
| 06:55.46 | CookieJar | it is /etc/apt/sources.list right? |
| 06:55.50 | somiaj | correct |
| 06:55.53 | Keith-BlindUser | Yep. |
| 06:56.10 | somiaj | and you just have to change 'main' into 'main non-free' (add a contrib on the list if you want that as well, 'main contrib non-free' |
| 06:56.18 | CookieJar | hmm |
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| 06:57.05 | CookieJar | >go to do apt-get update |
| 06:57.13 | CookieJar | >forgot to plug my lan cable back in |
| 06:57.23 | CookieJar | herp derp |
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| 06:59.25 | CookieJar | so, while waiting for apt-get to update, anyone had any experience installing debian on a 486? |
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| 07:00.04 | somiaj | CookieJar: how much ram? |
| 07:00.24 | CookieJar | I am not wanting to (right now atleast), just want to hear other's experience in it |
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| 07:00.46 | CookieJar | how things went down, what you were able to do, etc |
| 07:00.46 | somiaj | CookieJar: that will probabaly be your biggest issue with it running well. |
| 07:00.52 | jpinx | ran debian on a 486 some years ago |
| 07:01.04 | CookieJar | ah cool |
| 07:01.13 | CookieJar | how did it go? |
| 07:01.19 | jpinx | CookieJar: depends what release you try to run ;) |
| 07:01.28 | CookieJar | makes sense |
| 07:01.42 | CookieJar | were you able to get an interface of sorts? |
| 07:01.48 | CookieJar | or were you stuck to the command line? |
| 07:01.59 | jpinx | full gui in sarge ;) |
| 07:02.17 | CookieJar | nice |
| 07:02.23 | jpinx | later I ran lenny with lxde |
| 07:02.39 | jpinx | avoid gnome and kde and you'll be ok |
| 07:02.44 | CookieJar | it was actually able to run lxde? |
| 07:02.57 | CookieJar | man, I expected the lowest you could run lxde on would be a pentium 1 |
| 07:02.58 | jpinx | uses lxde all the time |
| 07:03.01 | txdv | how much ram did that machine have? |
| 07:03.11 | jpinx | 512Mbs |
| 07:03.19 | CookieJar | what |
| 07:03.26 | CookieJar | >486 with 512mb ram |
| 07:03.29 | txdv | a 486 with 512 mb ram? what kind of sorcery is this? |
| 07:03.31 | somiaj | lxde is fairly light weight, the biggest isue would be ram and amount of process you have running in the background. |
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| 07:04.25 | txdv | 32mb was the maximum ram amount for 486 machines |
| 07:04.26 | jpinx | Ooops - no 256Mbs |
| 07:04.52 | jpinx | txdv: not so - I had a 486 laptop and managed to get extra RAm to be used |
| 07:05.55 | CookieJar | I guess it was one of the later 486 chips that ran close to 100mhz |
| 07:05.58 | CookieJar | or at 100 |
| 07:06.08 | txdv | 100MHZ? |
| 07:06.12 | txdv | light speed |
| 07:06.29 | txdv | my first cpu was a PI MMX @ 200mhz |
| 07:06.38 | CookieJar | eh you gotta remember that the chip design accounts for much more than clock |
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| 07:06.56 | somiaj | CookieJar: with framebuffers you can get a fairly nice console setup, had a friend do that, and was able to do a lot of things on it. |
| 07:07.02 | txdv | I think nowadays the architectures are more efficient |
| 07:07.03 | CookieJar | nice |
| 07:07.30 | txdv | apart for the lulz, there is not much stuff to do on such a box |
| 07:07.36 | CookieJar | true |
| 07:07.42 | CookieJar | but it is still cool to see someone do it |
| 07:07.46 | CookieJar | or to do it yourself |
| 07:08.20 | CookieJar | next step: get Debian to run on a commodore 64 |
| 07:08.22 | CookieJar | >_> |
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| 07:10.22 | CookieJar | I just realized something |
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| 07:10.27 | jelly-home | GEOS not good enough for you, CookieJar? |
| 07:10.35 | sharpK | anyone have audio over HDMI working out of an nVidia card in squeeze? |
| 07:10.36 | CookieJar | I do most of my linux work late in the night |
| 07:10.52 | CookieJar | jelly-home, its easy to run GEOS on the C64 |
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| 07:11.41 | CookieJar | hmm |
| 07:11.53 | somiaj | sharpK: why not ask something useful, or say 'I am having trouble getting HDMI audio on nvidia working, here is what I have tried...here is some errors I get from my logs (insert pastebin link) |
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| 07:13.40 | sharpK | somiaj, will do: I have installed non-free nvidia drivers, which worked in outputting video through the HDMI, but no audio (in ubuntu these drivers worked for both audio and video). the HDMI device does not show up in "aplay -l". I tried building alsa from source (seemed to work for someone), and though I'm not sure I did it correctly because most of this stuff is unfamiliar to me, it did not |
| 07:13.40 | sharpK | work, as far as I can tell... |
| 07:13.57 | CookieJar | now I guess I should get a wifi manager and audio controller stuff that can go into my tint2 bar... |
| 07:14.23 | sharpK | so i guess I was wondering if someone had audio out on an hdmi in squeeze, they could tell me what drivers they have installed and it might work for me as well... |
| 07:14.27 | jpinx | CookieJar: I just installed wicd |
| 07:14.29 | somiaj | !tell sharpK about alsa-checklist |
| 07:14.30 | sharpK | rather than shooting in the dark... |
| 07:14.55 | CookieJar | any way to be able to control audio in a similar way as in Windows vista / 7 (being able to change volume of each application) |
| 07:15.01 | somiaj | sharpK: well if you saw the card in aplay -l, what sort of things did you do to try to get noise though it |
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| 07:15.32 | sharpK | somiaj I said it "does not" show up in aplay -l |
| 07:15.33 | CookieJar | I have found that functionality to be quite useful at times |
| 07:16.10 | somiaj | sharpK: what nvidia card do you have? |
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| 07:17.08 | sharpK | nvidia geforce gt 220 |
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| 07:18.07 | somiaj | sharpK: I think the nvidia drivers in squeeze should be good enough. But you can install a newer version of the drivers from squeeze-backports if you think it is a nvidia driver issue (you can also install a newer kernel which will have a newer alsa) |
| 07:18.52 | somiaj | sharpK: so if you think you have installed all the nvidia-dkms packages and stuff correctly from non-free in squeeze and belive it is a problem with them being slightly to old of your hardware, backports has newer versions to help you out. |
| 07:18.58 | sharpK | somiaj on advice of someone on this channel I ran a long apt-get nvidia(all kinds of stuff here) command, are those the backport drivers you are talking about? |
| 07:19.29 | somiaj | sharpK: provide me the output of apt-cache policy nvidia-dkms |
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| 07:20.26 | sharpK | somiaj: "N: Unable to locate package nvidia-dkms" |
| 07:20.29 | sharpK | that mean I don't have that one? |
| 07:20.59 | somiaj | sharpK: sorry it is nvidia-kernel-dkms |
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| 07:22.52 | jelly-home | !nvidia dkms |
| 07:22.53 | dpkg | For Squeeze users. Ask me about <contrib> and <non-free sources>. "aptitude -r install linux-headers-2.6-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` nvidia-kernel-dkms && mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf". Run "update-initramfs -u" and restart your system to enable the <nouveau> blacklist. For legacy drivers, see <nvidia legacy>. |
| 07:22.55 | tristezo2k | Question: at what time /etc/cron.d /etc/cron.daily /etc/cron.weekly and /etc/cron.monthly are ran? |
| 07:23.30 | sharpK | somiaj: http://pastebin.com/e9v7QA5b |
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| 07:23.54 | somiaj | sharpK: that is the default version in squeeze |
| 07:24.02 | somiaj | ,versions nvidia-kernel-dkms |
| 07:24.03 | judd | Package: nvidia-kernel-dkms on i386 -- squeeze/non-free: 195.36.31-6; squeeze-backports/non-free: 280.13.really.275.36-1~bpo60+1; sid/non-free: 295.20-1; wheezy/non-free: 295.20-1; experimental/non-free: 295.20-1+exp1 |
| 07:24.08 | jelly-home | tristezo2k: look at /etc/crontab for the latter three. Files in /etc/cron.d/ have their own timing settings. |
| 07:24.36 | somiaj | sharpK: as you see it is 195.36.31-6, you can get 280.13.really.275.36 from backports. It could be you need a newer nvidia module for that card and its hdmi. |
| 07:24.51 | sharpK | how can I do that? |
| 07:25.07 | jelly-home | !tell sharpK about bdo |
| 07:25.12 | somiaj | sharpK: you can also get a 2.6.39, 3.1, or 3.2 kernel from backports as well. It could also be you just need a newer kernel so alsa can see that hdmi sound card |
| 07:25.18 | somiaj | sharpK: follow the factoid jelly-home sent you |
| 07:25.23 | tristezo2k | thanks jelly-home! checking |
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| 07:26.18 | somiaj | sharpK: I would try the kernel first, make sure you install the linux-image and linux-headers. If that doesn't work the install the newer nvidia stuff from backports |
| 07:26.38 | tristezo2k | great, all understood now :) |
| 07:26.49 | sharpK | somiaj the ones here: http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=nvidia&searchon=names§ion=all&suite=squeeze-backports ? |
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| 07:27.28 | somiaj | sharpK: the packages will have the same names as the one you install, they will just be from squeeze-backports |
| 07:27.39 | jelly-home | sharpK: have you read ftp://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/gpu-hdmi-audio-document/gpu-hdmi-audio.html yet? |
| 07:28.37 | sharpK | jelly-home yes I have been on that page but this is my first encounter with proper linux so most of it is a bit daunting... |
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| 07:29.18 | jelly-home | daunting? Setting up hdmi audio on my own GT220 was a complete PITA |
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| 07:30.00 | somiaj | the only issue I had with radeon hdmi audio was adding a line to my grubconfig to enable it in the kernel. |
| 07:30.27 | somiaj | jelly-home: what was the issue, was it driver versions or configuration? |
| 07:31.01 | jelly-home | the configuration, the quirks of snd-hda-intel driver, the bugs in pulseaudio |
| 07:31.30 | jelly-home | options for snd-hda-intel to be added: enable_msi=0 probe_mask=0xffff,0xfffa to |
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| 07:32.34 | sharpK | you seem to have a clue what most of that means, that's where I fall short... |
| 07:32.36 | jelly-home | alsa device to be used: plughw:[whateveralsacardindex].3 |
| 07:33.20 | jelly-home | I don't, really. Just followed the docs and some google results and poked around for a a few hours |
| 07:33.44 | jelly-home | Gave up on pulseaudio after I got alsa to work |
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| 07:34.08 | tristezo2k | back to cron, if /etc/crontab runs run-parts on /etc/cron.daily all scripts there will be executed on alphabetic order |
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| 07:34.37 | tristezo2k | Now, will they be run in secuential order? or all of them at the same time? |
| 07:34.42 | jelly-home | tristezo2k: man run-parts will explain the order and the naming conventions. |
| 07:34.58 | tristezo2k | yes, in fact I see that now using --test |
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| 07:35.09 | tristezo2k | but, I am wondering if it runs |
| 07:35.10 | jelly-home | tristezo2k: they're run in sequence |
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| 07:35.34 | tristezo2k | so, if I have 1,2 and 3 at /etc/cron.daily |
| 07:35.56 | tristezo2k | it will run 1, when 1 finishes, run 2, when 2 finishes run 3 and so on? |
| 07:36.07 | tristezo2k | what if an script get´s stuck? |
| 07:36.11 | sharpK | jelly-home: I also installed pulse audio, it gave a whole bunch of random output devices but none that were the HDMI audio out... |
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| 07:36.38 | jelly-home | tristezo2k: later scripts don't get run; cron.daily job never finisheds |
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| 07:37.08 | tristezo2k | so it seems :) |
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| 07:39.14 | jelly-home | sharpK: pulseaudio apparently finds and uses just the first HDMI output it finds. For me, I had HDMI onboard, and also on the Nvidia, so the latter did not work at all. Disabled HDMI completely in pavucontrol. |
| 07:40.51 | jelly-home | sharpK: however I'm not using stable but testing. YMMV. |
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| 07:41.17 | Outlander | hi |
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| 07:47.54 | CookieJar | ok guys, if I want wine, what is the best way to install it? |
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| 07:48.15 | CookieJar | should I manually download the files from their site and install them, or get it from the repos |
| 07:48.22 | somiaj | CookieJar: I'd suggest compling it from source |
| 07:48.40 | somiaj | CookieJar: using 'make install' and installing it in /usr/local will work just fine, just keep the source around for 'make uninstall' |
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| 07:49.15 | somiaj | CookieJar: as an optional method you can compile a custome wine package (which is what I started doing, but wine lived just fine in /usr/local/ before that) |
| 07:49.35 | CookieJar | at the moment I would say I am too tired to try to do that (past attempts to compile a program had failed hard) |
| 07:49.46 | CookieJar | maybe I will try tomorrow / later today |
| 07:49.51 | CookieJar | whatever you want to use |
| 07:50.40 | CookieJar | in the meantime, reccomend any themes for tint2? |
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| 08:26.01 | Iridos | boo |
| 08:26.03 | bambanx | hi |
| 08:26.20 | bambanx | guys i am connected with my ethernet , how i can configure my wifi? |
| 08:26.24 | bambanx | is a broadcom |
| 08:27.52 | bambanx | :/ |
| 08:28.09 | buu | http://wiki.debian.org/Broadcom |
| 08:28.41 | Iridos | wriggle the mouse in some special fashion and press keys on the keyboard |
| 08:30.41 | Iridos | (unspecific questions lead to unspecific answers... what's the actual problem?) |
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| 08:32.12 | Iridos | dpkg, broadcom |
| 08:32.12 | dpkg | Broadcom Corporation is an integrated circuits supplier. For wireless LAN chipset drivers, ask me about <b43>, <brcmsmac>, <rndis_wlan>, <wl>. For Ethernet controller support, ask me about <bnx2>, <bnx2x>, <tg3>. |
| 08:33.12 | Iridos | dpkg, what's my wireless |
| 08:33.12 | dpkg | Install the hwinfo package and execute "/usr/sbin/hwinfo --wlan", or http://linux-wless.passys.nl/ , or ask me about <whats my hardware>. See also <wireless>. |
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| 08:35.14 | nsadmin | , versions hwinfo |
| 08:35.16 | judd | Package: hwinfo on i386 -- lenny: 14.19-2; squeeze: 16.0-2; sid: 16.0-2.2; wheezy: 16.0-2.2 |
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| 08:36.11 | bambanx | anyone is using wheezy? |
| 08:37.03 | Iridos | no polls please |
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| 08:38.32 | Iridos | but if you look at the topic, there's a channel dedicated to wheezy/sid (testing/unstable) |
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| 08:39.23 | Iridos | dpkg, anyone using wheezy? |
| 08:39.23 | dpkg | No, no one uses wheezy, not even the people who use it. |
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| 08:41.03 | aBound | Iridos, Figures the people in the other channel possibly uses it. |
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| 08:41.36 | Iridos | aBound, no, really? Are you saying dpkg is WRONG?! |
| 08:41.36 | bambanx | i install the driver using this sudo apt-get install b43-fwcutter firmware-b43-installer |
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| 08:41.43 | bambanx | now what can i do? pls help |
| 08:42.04 | aBound | Iridos, Of course there are people that use it just not many people use it. |
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| 08:43.04 | aBound | To those who don't need to use their desktops/laptops as production machines than yes there's a small percentage though. |
| 08:43.34 | Iridos | note irony |
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| 08:43.52 | Iridos | bambanx, so what's the problem |
| 08:43.58 | aBound | :P |
| 08:44.11 | bambanx | i cannot configure my wifi Iridos |
| 08:44.18 | Iridos | why not |
| 08:44.45 | bambanx | i am not sure i installed b43 drivers i do modprobe b43 and nothing happen Iridos |
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| 08:45.21 | Iridos | what do you suppose should happen |
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| 08:46.23 | aBound | Have you guys experienced any 'Jack Detection' issues within Debian's 2.6 kernel? |
| 08:46.41 | Iridos | what is the exact broadcom chip you're using... there's different drivers for different chips |
| 08:46.56 | Iridos | dpkg, b43 |
| 08:46.57 | dpkg | b43 is a driver supporting PCI/PCI-E wireless LAN devices with Broadcom chips, part of the Linux kernel. Firmware is required, ask me about <b43-fwcutter> to provide. 802.11b-only devices and BCM4306 rev 2 are instead supported by <b43legacy>. For BCM4313/4321/4322/43224/43225 (802.11n) device support, ask me about <brcm80211>, <wl>. http://wiki.debian.org/bcm43xx #bcm-users on irc.freenode.net. |
| 08:47.51 | bambanx | Iridos, ? |
| 08:50.37 | aBound | bambanx, Trying to get wireless? |
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| 08:51.10 | bambanx | yes men aBound |
| 08:51.33 | bambanx | aBound, why i dont have iwconfig? i add this deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian squeeze main contrib non-free |
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| 08:52.05 | aBound | bambanx, Open a terminal and type: lspci | grep Network |
| 08:52.20 | aBound | To see what Network controller you're currently using. |
| 08:52.21 | bambanx | ok |
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| 08:53.10 | Iridos | bambanx, iwconfig is in the package wireless-tools ... it's in /sbin/iwconfig |
| 08:53.18 | bambanx | Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 3945ABG [Golan] Network Connection (rev 02) |
| 08:54.04 | bambanx | i cannot install wireless-tools |
| 08:54.04 | bambanx | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:54.29 | Iridos | why not |
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| 08:55.17 | bambanx | i dunno me i am not expert Iridos |
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| 08:55.47 | bambanx | i added this too deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian squeeze main contrib non-free on my sources |
| 08:55.49 | aBound | bambanx, Still checking but found this link: http://wiki.debian.org/iwlegacy |
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| 08:56.00 | bambanx | ty |
| 08:56.47 | Iridos | bambanx, what is the error you get when you try? It's a bit hard to answer your questions when you don't provide any information about what happens |
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| 08:57.15 | aBound | More or less the wireless controller you're currently using is probably a Legacy device so requires an older module. |
| 08:58.22 | bambanx | when i do aptitude wireless-tools i say some like this (my english is bad) :do not install , update or delete |
| 08:58.31 | bambanx | ..... |
| 08:58.40 | bambanx | any package... |
| 08:58.58 | bambanx | is weird i am the non-free in my sources |
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| 08:59.12 | ispirto | hey, i didn't have a /home partition, i've copied my /home contents to another partition and mounted it as /home, now i have the /home partition. What happened to the old folder? Can I access it? |
| 08:59.12 | Iridos | bambanx, that sources.list entry looks ok (although you should also have also one line for security updates) |
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| 09:01.16 | Iridos | bambanx, you can switch aptitude messages to English in one terminal by typing "LANG=en_US.UTF-8" in that terminal. Then just paste the original error. If it's more than 2 lines use paste.debian.net |
| 09:01.29 | bambanx | this is my sources http://pastebin.com/sdST5tSy |
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| 09:03.26 | Iridos | bambanx, line 17 and 7 are (partly) the same (they just use different mirrors). You can just add "contrib non-free" to line 7 and delete line 17 |
| 09:03.58 | bambanx | ok Iridos |
| 09:04.08 | Iridos | actually that goes for line 14 as well |
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| 09:04.35 | bambanx | http://paste.debian.net/159090/ |
| 09:05.03 | Iridos | got to go, biab |
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| 09:06.18 | bambanx | bye thanks Iridos |
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| 09:09.09 | bambanx | aBound, why aptitude install wireless-tools dont work for me ? |
| 09:10.37 | aBound | I'm not quite familiar with aptitude as others might be. Strange no packages exist for it have you tried giving Synaptic a try? |
| 09:10.57 | bambanx | not , but i will now |
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| 09:12.41 | aBound | bambanx, Or you can try grabbing the package from here: http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/wireless-tools requires a few dependencies. |
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| 09:14.31 | fasta | If one reports a bug for Debian Stable, why isn't it fixed in Debian Stable? |
| 09:14.44 | bambanx | synaptic say me is installed aBound |
| 09:16.38 | aBound | bambanx, Any reason why somebody mentioned you needed to use wireless-tools? |
| 09:17.27 | bambanx | i dunno but in the webs for install drivers wifi all mencioned it |
| 09:17.40 | bambanx | iwconfig command dont work is weird |
| 09:17.54 | bambanx | you know if wheezy is working good? |
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| 09:18.58 | aBound | I can't say as I'm not using Debian Wheezy and the official release hasn't came out yet. But I'm sure it'll be a good release as it'll use a newer kernel. |
| 09:19.01 | bambanx | i am burning now for install |
| 09:19.26 | aBound | :P |
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| 09:19.30 | bambanx | i was using ubuntu and i hate it a lot of bugs |
| 09:19.46 | aBound | Debian Wheezy Linux Kernel 3.2 a ton of improvements from the original kernel in Squeeze. |
| 09:19.58 | bambanx | squeeze never fail for me , but now i have a other notebook and i need to learn how configure it |
| 09:20.13 | bambanx | men it come with gnome 3? |
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| 09:20.32 | aBound | bambanx, Probably haven't checked if it does. |
| 09:20.38 | bambanx | ok |
| 09:20.47 | aBound | There's usually Debian documentation too. |
| 09:21.26 | aBound | That reminds me I might as well give it a try in virtualbox. |
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| 09:22.34 | Oins | Hi. I like to add a line to my user crontab file like echo "my line" >> user_crontab. But where can i find the crontab file from my user? |
| 09:26.28 | aBound | bambanx, Where'd you find the link for wheezy I can't seem to find it. |
| 09:26.35 | sephii | Oins: you shouldn't edit the user crontab file directly |
| 09:27.56 | Oins | sephii: i know, but i have to add the same (positive tested) line to different machines and don't like to do this by hand. so i have a script which connects via ssh (this already works). but how can i add my crontab line on every machine |
| 09:28.03 | bambanx | well i am not sure but here aBound http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
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| 09:28.27 | bambanx | them aBound this line For installation images and documentation about how to install testing, see the Debian-Installer page. |
| 09:28.32 | aBound | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:29.13 | aBound | That's understandable seeing as Wheezy is in testing. |
| 09:29.27 | bambanx | i restart now i format with this new aBound |
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| 09:29.42 | bambanx | back later thanks for your help aBound |
| 09:29.42 | aBound | bambanx, Be careful as it's still in testing. |
| 09:29.47 | bambanx | yeah |
| 09:29.52 | aBound | Not a stable release. :P welcome |
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| 09:30.52 | ROBOT1024 | hey |
| 09:31.39 | aBound | If I were to buy a Macbook Pro would I be able to install Debian side by side on a dual-boot? |
| 09:31.53 | jelly | "probably" |
| 09:32.15 | ROBOT1024 | no |
| 09:32.54 | aBound | I'm assuming that references to me. :P |
| 09:32.58 | jpinx | aBound: maybe ;) depends on how clever you are |
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| 09:33.44 | aBound | I gotcha, but has anybody here successfully used an Intel Graphics HD 3000 for Compiz? |
| 09:33.51 | sephii | Oins: if you want to put a crontab for every user on your machine, why not just put it in /etc/cron.d ? |
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| 09:33.56 | ROBOT1024 | I think that can be installed |
| 09:34.05 | jelly | aBound: have you read http://wiki.debian.org/MacBook |
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| 09:34.16 | Oins | sephii: cause i'm a user, not root on that machines. |
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| 09:34.39 | scanf | hi, should i be able to make an img that i can dd to a flash stick and boot off using a simple qemu-img raw img and something like qemu -hda debian.img -cdrom debian-testing-i386-businesscard.iso -boot d -m 256 to install? |
| 09:34.43 | aBound | jelly, I read some of it but in some of the documentation it implies Macbooks that are a couple of years old. |
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| 09:35.07 | jelly | aBound: the EFI and KMS/3D situation probably still applies |
| 09:35.31 | jelly | but yeah the page looks quite outdated |
| 09:35.37 | aBound | jelly, HA What makes me laugh is I forgot about trying out a LiveCD to see if it'll work. |
| 09:35.43 | aBound | :P |
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| 09:36.37 | sephii | Oins: looking at the crontab manpage could help you (more specifically the debian specific part), you can use the "crontab -" syntax to take stdin as an input |
| 09:36.45 | aBound | As long as an Intel Graphics 3000 HD can run Compiz and dual-boot Mac OS X and Debian I'm a happy camper. |
| 09:36.56 | jelly | aBound: heh, there's a http://wiki.debian.org/MacBookPro as well |
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| 09:38.06 | aBound | We can all be elite sometimes. :P |
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| 09:41.21 | Oins | sephii: Thanks for your help. Did it now with crontab <myfile>. That works :D |
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| 09:47.19 | bambanx | aBound i am installing |
| 09:47.44 | aBound | bambanx, Welcome back. |
| 09:48.09 | bambanx | I need choose Linux-image-3.2.0-1-486 |
| 09:48.26 | bambanx | Or the same but in the final 686 |
| 09:48.53 | bambanx | What i should choose? |
| 09:48.59 | bambanx | 486 or |
| 09:49.04 | bambanx | 686 |
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| 09:50.48 | bambanx | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:51.11 | aBound | You mean you have a choice between the two to choose? |
| 09:51.20 | bambanx | Yeah |
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| 09:52.31 | aBound | My guess is 686 seeing as that might be more modern but not familiar with the two as I know there are differences. |
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| 09:53.17 | aBound | Depends mostly on your processor's architecture. |
| 09:53.19 | bambanx | i read 686 is for celeron |
| 09:53.29 | sephii | bambanx: what's your cpu? |
| 09:53.45 | bambanx | But i am not sure i am on mu iPhone BOE |
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| 09:53.51 | bambanx | Now* |
| 09:54.03 | bambanx | Is centrino |
| 09:54.14 | aBound | Intel Centrino. |
| 09:54.18 | bambanx | Yes |
| 09:54.30 | aBound | 32-Bit or 64-Bit? :P |
| 09:54.40 | bambanx | 64 |
| 09:54.49 | aBound | I'd figure they would have x86_64 as an architecture posted. |
| 09:55.15 | bambanx | 486 is a good choise? |
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| 09:55.40 | sephii | bambanx: if debian is already installed on your system, use "uname -r" to check your current kernel and go with the same arch |
| 09:56.08 | bambanx | I am formating now |
| 09:56.25 | Trewas | bambanx: 686 is a safe choice with an intel processor made in last 15 years |
| 09:56.57 | bambanx | and 486 Trewas ? |
| 09:57.26 | Trewas | bambanx: if it is older than 15 years, and some other companies (cyrix etc) have made non-686-compatible processors also later |
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| 09:59.18 | aBound | 486 seems to be older. |
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| 09:59.26 | bambanx | Damn |
| 09:59.47 | sharpK | is "sudo apt-get -t squeeze-backports install nvidia-kernel-dkms" correct for getting this package: http://packages.debian.org/squeeze-backports/nvidia-kernel-dkms? |
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| 10:00.13 | bambanx | 486 is used for what processors? |
| 10:00.16 | sharpK | cause I even tried removing the old one and installing with that apt-get, but the version still shows as 195.36.31 |
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| 10:00.41 | bambanx | Now i am installing it can i change later? |
| 10:01.17 | mace | has anyone reported problems with gdm3 3.0.4-4 and any keyboard input crashing the login box? |
| 10:01.53 | Trewas | bambanx: 486 will work, and you change the kernel to 686 later |
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| 10:02.14 | bambanx | cool |
| 10:02.16 | aBound | Trewas, Kernel sanders. :P |
| 10:02.24 | sephii | bambanx: you should first check if your cpu is 32 or 64 bit |
| 10:02.40 | aBound | sephii, He said 64-Bit. |
| 10:02.42 | sephii | bambanx: if it's a 64bit, go with a 64bit install |
| 10:02.49 | bambanx | 64 |
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| 10:03.33 | bambanx | Guys gnome 3 is like unity of ubuntu? |
| 10:03.52 | sephii | bambanx: so go with amd64 |
| 10:04.40 | bambanx | Ok sephii |
| 10:05.39 | aBound | Gnome-Shell is different than Unity. In order for Unity to run Compiz draws the Unity shell and it appears as a sidebar. Whereas gnome-shell uses mutter as it's window manager. |
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| 10:07.47 | bambanx | I like gnome old |
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| 10:07.53 | bambanx | Style |
| 10:08.32 | aBound | They stopped development for Gnome-2 but they may or may not have a fallback mode for Gnome. |
| 10:09.14 | bambanx | U like gnome 3 style aBound ? |
| 10:09.43 | bambanx | Well never i used but unity is not for me |
| 10:09.58 | aBound | bambanx, I don't mind it but than again I don't use it. It's a new innovation at best and I tend to use Ubuntu more or less. :P |
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| 10:10.37 | bambanx | Ok |
| 10:11.05 | aBound | bambanx, Trying not to get mixed up in all the GUIs and Window Managers best to stick to one and keep it that way you can focus on your work or customize your distro. |
| 10:11.10 | aBound | :) |
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| 10:11.46 | bambanx | yeah |
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| 10:12.46 | aBound | There are people who like gnome-shell I thought I would like it too but the lack of not being able to use Compiz puts it at a disadvantage. |
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| 10:14.13 | bambanx | I dont know much about compiz |
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| 10:14.25 | bambanx | It is for effects? |
| 10:14.55 | aBound | bambanx, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvfRpmqKRbs |
| 10:15.09 | aBound | Be right back kernel update need to reboot. :) |
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| 10:16.27 | aBound | Woot, that was quick. |
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| 10:17.36 | bambanx | Yeah i dont like the effects on my gnome |
| 10:18.15 | aBound | Like the desktop wall and expo I like and rotate cube can be helpful at times. |
| 10:18.46 | bambanx | :) |
| 10:18.55 | aBound | Compiz can act as a productivity tool indeed. :) |
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| 10:19.36 | aBound | Having about six virtual desktops open and doing various programming projects in Emacs/VIM and/or various IDEs. |
| 10:19.41 | bambanx | I like minimalist |
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| 10:20.06 | aBound | I agree I like simplicity too. :) |
| 10:20.22 | bambanx | In debian i use vim and sublime text |
| 10:20.52 | aBound | I'm thinking about selling in my high-end laptop for a low-end Macbook Pro. |
| 10:21.01 | aBound | selling my** |
| 10:21.11 | Woet | System Info: Model: MacBook Pro (LED Unibody) · CPU Speed: 2 @ 2.66 GHz · L2: 6 MB · RAM: 4 GB · OS X: Version 10.7.3 (Build 11D50) · Hostname: macbookFFS · User: Woet · Client: Linkinus 2.4.2/25029 · Style: Simplified |
| 10:21.39 | bambanx | I installed hackingtosh iatkos in my Dell for test snow leopard |
| 10:21.45 | sharpK | can I use apt-get install 'localpath to a .deb' file? |
| 10:21.51 | ex_pan | does anybody played with debian an cubox ? |
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| 10:22.30 | ex_pan | sharpK: use dpkg -i <path to deb> |
| 10:22.38 | sharpK | ex_pan ok, thank you |
| 10:23.40 | aBound | System info: Intel quad-core i7 2.20Ghz, 16GB of RAM FSB at 1333Mhz, nVidia 1.5GB GeForce GTX 580M, 80GB Intel SSD, Wireless: Intel Corporation Centrino Ultimate-N 6300, 15.3 inch laptop screen. |
| 10:23.41 | aBound | :P |
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| 10:24.50 | aBound | Am I crazy for wanting this instead: http://store.apple.com/us/configure/MD313LL/A |
| 10:24.53 | aBound | lol |
| 10:24.59 | bambanx | system info: Intel quad/core i20 50000ghz |
| 10:25.26 | aBound | ^^ above my system specifications. |
| 10:25.40 | colo-work | oh look. sysinfo scripts. is it 2002 again? |
| 10:25.55 | aBound | I manually typed in my info. |
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| 10:26.08 | colo-work | shame on you then ;) |
| 10:26.10 | bambanx | I prefer Linux than lion |
| 10:26.12 | aBound | ;) |
| 10:26.21 | aBound | bambanx, I want to be able to dual-boot. |
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| 10:26.40 | aBound | Not only dual-boot but that system offers 7hrs of battery life on top of that. |
| 10:26.42 | bambanx | You can try with iatkos |
| 10:26.53 | bambanx | Is hackintosh |
| 10:26.55 | aBound | But the processor sucks it's running on a dual-core and not quad-core. |
| 10:27.20 | aBound | This laptop I'm using is about 3 months old and my battery life is about 2hrs and 30 mins. |
| 10:27.26 | bambanx | http://www.osx86install.com/osx86news/36-iatkos-v7.html |
| 10:28.00 | bambanx | If u wanna try Apple os without buy a mac |
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| 10:28.27 | aBound | I know what you're saying I do like Linux too but I want to give a Mac a try. |
| 10:28.41 | bambanx | In mac |
| 10:28.48 | Woet | aBound: you should, I used Linux for my laptop for 3 years then switched to Mac |
| 10:28.49 | bambanx | You can install linux? |
| 10:29.02 | aBound | bambanx, Linux is on this laptop. |
| 10:29.19 | aBound | But figures all this raw power is useless to me. |
| 10:29.30 | aBound | As I'm not a PC gamer. |
| 10:29.31 | bambanx | And ur laptop is a mac aBound ? |
| 10:29.43 | aBound | bambanx, It's a System76 laptop www.system76.com |
| 10:30.17 | aBound | Woet, I was thinking about it before I was going to purchase this one but than I got that Linux itch and now I somewhat regret it. |
| 10:30.18 | aBound | haha |
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| 10:31.39 | aBound | When it comes to laptops I prefer they be smaller. With desktops I guess I prefer for them to be larger. |
| 10:32.02 | fasta | If one reports a bug for Debian Stable, and it gets marked as 'fixed', why isn't it fixed in Debian Stable? |
| 10:32.24 | Woet | aBound: you should get a macbook air instead of the pro |
| 10:32.35 | fasta | It would make more sense for the BTS to have states like 'fixed in unstable', 'fixed in testing' and 'fixed in stable'. |
| 10:32.38 | Woet | only reason i got a pro is because 13" is too small for me |
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| 10:32.45 | aBound | Problem with the Air is the processor is slower. |
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| 10:32.53 | nkuttler | fasta: well file a wishlist bug.. |
| 10:32.53 | aBound | But it's cheaper. |
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| 10:33.14 | Woet | aBound: the CPU is just fine for mac |
| 10:33.15 | aBound | 13" is fine with me instead of running this big 15.6" laptop. :) |
| 10:33.24 | aBound | Woet, I have small hands. :) |
| 10:34.08 | bambanx | Yeah aBound i buyed asus g-51 but is to big!!!! |
| 10:34.13 | aBound | Sooner or later CDs, DVDs will be obsolete so I understand where the Air is going. |
| 10:34.35 | bambanx | Bad choise :/ |
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| 10:34.41 | fasta | Are the drivers that make a macbook efficient made by Apple or does the same hardware on Linux have about the same drivers? |
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| 10:34.53 | bambanx | Big for pc and small and light for laptop |
| 10:35.13 | aBound | bambanx, I know we all make those mistakes. :) |
| 10:35.44 | aBound | I think I need about $1,650 to $1,700 to cover the sales tax. |
| 10:35.56 | aBound | For the Macbook Pro. |
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| 10:36.31 | aBound | Woet, What I wanted to do was get a 13" Macbook Pro with a specialized 13" laptop backpack and get a bike than travel around the city. |
| 10:36.32 | aBound | :P |
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| 10:38.23 | bambanx | aBound why are spetial this pcs on system76 it are made for Linux but it should works well on non Linux? |
| 10:39.00 | aBound | bambanx, Because the majority of the Windows laptops or desktops on sale. Might not be fully compatible with Linux. |
| 10:39.19 | aBound | It's hard for Linux to keep up with newer hardware than with older hardware. |
| 10:39.32 | aBound | Most of the drivers for Linux are reversed engineered. |
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| 10:39.40 | bambanx | i see |
| 10:40.03 | bambanx | Windows should be deleted of |
| 10:40.08 | bambanx | The earth |
| 10:40.19 | bambanx | :) |
| 10:40.50 | aBound | No reason for top-tier companies to support Linux and give out an open source driver for there competitor's to gain an edge. |
| 10:40.52 | Sc0rian | what is the best way to keep a hard drive backuped up continuously? bit like lvm, but not snapshop.. what other options are there along side LVM? |
| 10:41.19 | bambanx | And than games cia start to develop for Linux |
| 10:41.32 | bambanx | I use Windows only for play :/ |
| 10:41.50 | aBound | I haven't used Windows in months gave up on it's instability issues. |
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| 10:42.29 | bambanx | I like play i a teraphyc for me xD |
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| 10:43.28 | negge | I have strange problem with apache. If I add "ServerTokens Prod" to httpd.conf nothing happens, but if I add them to apache2.conf it works. The file is definitely included as Apache fails to start if I add a syntax error to httpd.conf. What am I doing wrong? |
| 10:43.52 | aBound | From my point of view Windows was designed purposely be unstable. As it keeps shops such as geek squad open and various other repairing businesses. |
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| 10:44.01 | aBound | to be unstable** |
| 10:44.41 | bambanx | Yeah |
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| 10:45.35 | aBound | But we live in a proprietary world there are certain apps we need such as Photoshop, Maya and other apps that don't exist on Linux or have poor alternatives. |
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| 10:45.58 | bambanx | Maya is for Linux |
| 10:46.17 | SixtyFold | i have no instability issues at all with windows 7 tbh |
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| 10:46.51 | bambanx | I have sometimes freeze |
| 10:47.07 | aBound | Woet, I ask this to a lot of Mac users how stable is Mac OS X? |
| 10:47.23 | SixtyFold | the only issues ive had with windows 7 was with an SSD that had nothing to do with win 7 |
| 10:47.25 | aBound | SixtyFold, Some people do but I had it the worse with Windows Vista. |
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| 10:47.33 | xr600 | Hi... I am struggling with getting WOL to work on Debian. Anybody had success on such thing ? |
| 10:47.33 | SixtyFold | yah, well i skipped Vista |
| 10:47.34 | SixtyFold | haha |
| 10:47.46 | SixtyFold | i went straight from XP to 7 |
| 10:47.52 | SixtyFold | vista is/was junk |
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| 10:47.57 | aBound | Windows XP was a solid Windows OS but Vista was just another Windows ME> |
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| 10:48.27 | negge | anyone? |
| 10:48.49 | aBound | xr600, Never tried it before nor heard of it. |
| 10:48.51 | bambanx | android on pc should be work well? |
| 10:49.09 | aBound | negge, What was it you were asking for? |
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| 10:49.28 | aBound | Blah I didn't see that. |
| 10:49.35 | negge | aBound: you see it now? |
| 10:49.49 | aBound | Indeed, but I'm not familiar with Apache sorry bud. :( |
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| 10:50.08 | xr600 | aBound: Damn, wel thanks anyway :) |
| 10:50.42 | aBound | negge, Have you tried the #httpd channel? :P |
| 10:51.07 | negge | aBound: yes |
| 10:51.07 | aBound | xr600, No problem someone else might know. |
| 10:51.12 | negge | they are just telling me to use apache2.conf instead :p |
| 10:51.23 | bambanx | http://www.android-x86.org/ |
| 10:51.28 | Iridos | negge, seems the obvious solution |
| 10:51.44 | negge | yes but then I can't update the apache2.conf when a new version is out |
| 10:51.50 | negge | that's the whole point of having httpd.conf |
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| 10:52.26 | aBound | negge, You can probably try it for now until a new version comes out? That's just my guess. :) |
| 10:52.48 | negge | of course but I want it to work |
| 10:52.50 | Iridos | perhaps it's not in the correct section |
| 10:52.51 | negge | this is ridiculous |
| 10:52.52 | aBound | I understand what you're saying it does make sense if you want to upgrade. |
| 10:53.09 | Iridos | but I don't know the directive/parameter you use |
| 10:53.24 | negge | Iridos: I'm trying to set serversignature and servertokens |
| 10:54.27 | aBound | Alright ya'll time for me to hop outta here getting a bit sleepy. Goodnight or good morning chaps. :) |
| 10:55.23 | negge | found it |
| 10:55.32 | negge | goddamn conf.d/security file was messing with me |
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| 11:21.58 | atan | Is there something in the standard static IP config that would cause a box respond to pings on the main eth0 IP 24x7x365, but only randomly respond to pings on the eth0:0-9 IPs? Sometimes the extra ips are showing for a good period of time, othertimes they disappear entirely... I can't explain it. I want to say my server config is almost identical to that that functions properly (except different |
| 11:21.58 | atan | IPs.) |
| 11:22.58 | majd | Hey #debian - i'm trying to do aptitude update and aptitude upgrade of my server running debian, everything seems to go just fine, except for my django site that runs on apache with mod_wsgi |
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| 11:23.11 | majd | the error is here: (13)Permission denied: mod_wsgi (pid=4725): Unable to connect to WSGI daemon process 'hello' on '/etc/httpd/logs/wsgi.4717.0.1.sock' after multiple attempts. |
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| 11:24.06 | majd | the solution seems to be to add this directive to my apache config: WSGISocketPrefix /tmp/wsgi |
| 11:24.23 | majd | but after trying it, it still doesn't seem to be working |
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| 11:24.55 | majd | any recommendations on what i should do? |
| 11:26.27 | majd | i even tried to make the prefix the same as the site's root directory, to make sure that the user apache is running as has the permission to access that file, it still doesn't work |
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| 11:31.23 | Iridos | /etc/httpd/logs/ ? |
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| 11:32.27 | scanf | in my bios, should i enable PnP OS installed yes or no? |
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| 11:34.15 | majd | Iridos: i've tried a bunch of different locations - since i restored the backup of my server, the error logs were deleted as well, so i copied and pasted the error from a google search i did on the error |
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| 11:34.22 | Iridos | scanf, that's a long time I last was that option in a bios.. can't remember. I think it was either "doens't matte" or "no" |
| 11:35.53 | Iridos | majd, why don't you just keep it wherever it is and change permissions (if that's really file permissions and not just "nobody listening to socket" or "someone listening to socket who doesn't permit some access) |
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| 11:37.52 | Iridos | majd, actually sounds more like some daemon isn't running. from the package contents of libapache2-mod-wsgi I cannot see what that daemon should be, though |
| 11:38.19 | majd | Iridos: i tried the prefix /tmp/wsgi, which puts the socket files in /tmp, and that has permission of drwxrwxrwt |
| 11:38.23 | Iridos | something from python-flup? |
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| 11:38.50 | fasta | When I say 'Open folder' on some downloaded file in any browser which has this functionality no folder is opened. |
| 11:39.08 | fasta | It seems a generic piece of functionality. |
| 11:39.14 | Iridos | majd, but it's a socket... you need to tell its place to more than one program if you change it |
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| 11:39.50 | majd | Iridos: where else should it be? doesn't the apache directive take care of that? |
| 11:40.33 | dancek | Hi y'all. I've got a Squeeze system, but I needed a testing/unstable package that uses the new /run path. How should I create /run in Squeeze? What could break if I just symlink /run to /var/run? |
| 11:40.51 | dancek | I already asked this in http://unix.stackexchange.com/q/33653/6775 if anyone cares for SE rep. |
| 11:41.29 | Iridos | majd, I don't know that apache module and just read a little bit on it now. You use it, don't you know what that socket is for? :) |
| 11:41.45 | movl | dancek: don't do such things |
| 11:41.48 | Iridos | majd, from looking through packages... python-flup? |
| 11:42.10 | NishaKitty | my locale is set to en_AU but the format of the date command is incorrect how do I fix it? |
| 11:42.13 | dancek | movl, you mean, don't mix stable and testing? |
| 11:42.23 | majd | Iridos: i'm not advanced enough to know that :) |
| 11:42.26 | movl | oh, you can mix them |
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| 11:43.00 | movl | dancek: don't try things like symlinks to /var/run and such |
| 11:43.12 | movl | are you ok with dis-upgrading? |
| 11:43.15 | movl | *dist |
| 11:44.57 | dancek | movl, I'm not ok with changing to testing as the system is running mipsel with very few resources, and I really don't want it to break. I'm ok with upgrading specific packages if need be. |
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| 11:45.37 | Iridos | dancek, if you softlink it, that will create problems when wheezy becomes stable and you upgrade |
| 11:45.41 | majd | Iridos: you're saying that i should install python-flup? |
| 11:45.49 | mah454 | where is ssh log ? |
| 11:46.14 | dancek | Iridos, yeah, I expected that... So what's the proper way? This was just the hack I did right now, not finding anything better with Google. |
| 11:46.15 | Iridos | majd, I don't know! First time I read anything about WSGI |
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| 11:47.00 | majd | Iridos: i just read something about flup - it's for fastcgi, not wsgi :) |
| 11:47.16 | Iridos | dancek, what package is it? |
| 11:47.23 | dancek | Iridos, minidlna |
| 11:47.36 | Iridos | judd, versions minidlna |
| 11:47.38 | judd | Package: minidlna on i386 -- wheezy: 1.0.21+dfsg-1.1; sid: 1.0.24+dfsg-1 |
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| 11:48.14 | movl | dancek: what's the difference between the two versions? |
| 11:48.28 | Iridos | there's none in squeeze |
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| 11:48.57 | dancek | movl, I think their difference is irrelevant, but frankly I don't know |
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| 11:49.10 | Iridos | dancek, did you backport that? |
| 11:49.12 | movl | I see |
| 11:49.33 | dancek | Iridos, no, I just apt-pinned it from unstable |
| 11:49.34 | Iridos | judd, versions initscripts |
| 11:49.35 | judd | Package: initscripts on i386 -- lenny: 2.86.ds1-61; squeeze: 2.88dsf-13.1; sid: 2.88dsf-22; wheezy: 2.88dsf-22 |
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| 11:52.02 | Iridos | dancek, well... the wikipage you mentioned kind of says it under "Implementation" it's the packages initscripts and initramfs-tools that make the move |
| 11:52.39 | dancek | Iridos, right. So if I upgrade them, will my system break? :) |
| 11:52.52 | Iridos | dancek, that's the question |
| 11:53.08 | Iridos | dancek, I would say "not unlikely" |
| 11:53.24 | dancek | nice :P |
| 11:54.14 | Iridos | dancek, or you do a proper backport of the package... which includes changing the location back from /run to /var/run |
| 11:54.48 | Iridos | dancek, actually... try an automated backport, perhaps there is an automated check if /run exists |
| 11:55.28 | Iridos | which you should have done anyway :) |
| 11:55.33 | Iridos | dpkg, ssb |
| 11:55.33 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
| 11:56.51 | dancek | Iridos, ok. Thanks! (sorry for being such a noob, the last time I used debian on an everyday basis was like 2006) |
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| 11:57.43 | Iridos | I wonder if one should file a bug against the package for that or not |
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| 11:58.23 | dancek | Against not having a backport, or what? |
| 11:58.57 | pasky | Is there any better howto for upgrade to testing than "modify sources.list and apt-get dist-upgrade"? |
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| 11:59.12 | Iridos | against not having a dependency for initscripts (>= 2.88dsf-13.3) |
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| 11:59.26 | Iridos | as outlined in http://wiki.debian.org/ReleaseGoals/RunDirectory Packages using /var/run and /var/lock |
| 11:59.37 | dancek | oh, that. |
| 12:00.11 | Iridos | it should have demanded to pull in a new initscripts |
| 12:00.39 | Iridos | hm |
| 12:01.10 | Iridos | on the other hand you can't upgrade that package from squeeze... and everyone on wheezy is supposed to have the newer initscripts |
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| 12:03.24 | dancek | yeah... I'm not exactly blaming debian for not working the way I try to push it, either. |
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| 12:04.13 | dancek | I used to run sid on the desktop, and even with a lot of experimental packages mixed in it only broke badly once during over five years. |
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| 12:04.49 | dancek | It's amazing how stable debian is, and how rarely you shoot yourself in the foot with it :) |
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| 12:12.26 | movl | dancek: +1 |
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| 12:12.51 | dancek | On another note, I'll need to see if I can somehow force apt not to get pdiffs... Just now running rred took 3 minutes cpu time on my NAS box :) |
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| 12:13.42 | dancek | Acquire::PDiffs. Right. |
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| 12:16.44 | jeredepp | i got a folder full of issuefolders, in these folders there are 4 folders, let's call them 1, 2, 3 and 4, the folder containing these folders has a generic name (md5) and now i need to remove folder 2 3 and 4. Anybody got an idea? |
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| 12:22.24 | nkuttler | jeredepp: rm? |
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| 12:23.30 | phaidros | hi |
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| 12:25.07 | phaidros | how can one ensure that owner and group are always user:user recursively for a directory, where e.g. is the sftp root access for user2? is there a standard way with sticky bits and or umasks and such? (I honestly never got my head correctly around sticky bits and friends) |
| 12:26.02 | jeredepp | @nkuttler rm doesn't have an exclude option |
| 12:26.15 | jeredepp | oh i need to make a script so it has to be ultradynamic |
| 12:26.23 | jeredepp | forgot to mentiom that |
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| 12:27.05 | jeredepp | i tried the find command with a ! but it doesn't accept paths afaik |
| 12:27.08 | DelTree | phaidros: g+s bit on directory for group... but why would you need user ? |
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| 12:28.11 | dancek | jeredepp, i dunno if i understand your question correctly... Do you want something like: for d in ./*/; do rm -rf $d/[234]; done |
| 12:28.36 | nkuttler | jeredepp: how would you exclude anyway, by which criteria? |
| 12:28.38 | dancek | (careful with testing!) |
| 12:29.06 | jeredepp | more something like rm /home/user/project/issues/issue*/ -exclude folderA |
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| 12:29.24 | nkuttler | well you can always pipe find through grep |
| 12:29.59 | phaidros | DelTree: eg. because it should be owned by the webserver, so user is gonna be www-data |
| 12:30.07 | nkuttler | jeredepp: and find does patterns as well |
| 12:30.26 | DelTree | phaidros: group www-data should be enough... |
| 12:31.07 | jeredepp | oh now i see |
| 12:31.10 | jeredepp | regex patterns |
| 12:31.17 | phaidros | DelTree: as I just read up, sticky bits are more or less deprecated (true?) and they have been more in use for granting permissions to a programm when it is spawned |
| 12:31.36 | DelTree | phaidros: stooop ! |
| 12:31.50 | jeredepp | @nkuttler still no paths allowed |
| 12:32.16 | phaidros | DelTree: what I really want is, that automagically all files an sftp user uplaods are owned by www-data and in parts even writeable to www-data |
| 12:32.28 | DelTree | phaidros: for the "special bits"... one thing is when they are set on files... a totally different one is when they are set on directories... there's just no link between file and directory case... |
| 12:32.47 | phaidros | DelTree: easiest would be to put the sftp-user into www-data as main group, but imho that is stinky |
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| 12:33.00 | phaidros | DelTree: aaaaaaaaaaaaaaah |
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| 12:33.27 | DelTree | phaidros: what people do is having a g+s directory owned by group www-data... it does work... ;) |
| 12:33.44 | phaidros | DelTree: recursively for new subdirs as well? |
| 12:34.09 | phaidros | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:34.13 | DelTree | phaidros: yep... try it... g+s bit is inherited when subdirs are created... |
| 12:34.27 | phaidros | yay, honestly it took me years to ask this question :) |
| 12:35.00 | phaidros | I was epxerimenting with iwatch and other notify related tools in filesystem .. life can be so good sometimes :) |
| 12:35.03 | DelTree | phaidros: you'll probably want the directory to have g+w and thus g+t... |
| 12:35.23 | DelTree | not g+t... +t |
| 12:35.31 | phaidros | oh, what is +t then again? |
| 12:35.41 | phaidros | (which manpage hosts all this? chmod?) |
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| 12:36.11 | DelTree | phaidros: that only the owner can remove a file... you almost always want it when more than one user has write access to a directory... |
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| 12:37.06 | phaidros | DelTree: ah interesting, I wanted exactly the opposite in a environment where devs deployed via scp/ssh and could overwrite each others files .. as I understand it, that case would need -t ? |
| 12:37.39 | DelTree | "overwrite" ? |
| 12:37.49 | phaidros | DelTree: delete, move, replace |
| 12:38.27 | DelTree | then yeah... maybe... with g+w but not a+w, it can be understandable... |
| 12:38.32 | phaidros | as they were owners that wasnt possible. tho I didnt get in my head that stickiness on directories back then :) |
| 12:39.01 | phaidros | kk, thanx alot so far! will do a bit more reading on that |
| 12:39.14 | phaidros | DelTree: karma++ :) |
| 12:39.18 | DelTree | :) |
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| 12:48.54 | sKeiths | i cant get java working in my broswer. i installed sun-java6-jre. but still java verifier fails. |
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| 12:50.43 | sKeiths | browser is iceweasel 9.0.1 and i restarted it since installing sun-java6-jre |
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| 12:54.56 | jelly | sKeiths: that version of sun-java6 is too old. |
| 12:55.28 | sKeiths | any suggestions of newer package? |
| 12:55.35 | sKeiths | openjdk? |
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| 12:57.32 | jelly | probably. Debian does not have support for Oracle's JRE/plugin in stable at present. |
| 12:58.01 | sKeiths | is oracle = sun or open? |
| 12:58.06 | omido | Hi .i'm newbie . i have a question which may be offtopic. where can i find a list of Debian derivatives which still use Grub legacy(grub 0.9x)? |
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| 12:59.17 | movl | omido: why do you need grub-legacy? |
| 13:00.10 | jelly | omido: do you mean "still use it by default", or "still have it available as an option" |
| 13:00.21 | jelly | omido: because even Debian still has the latter |
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| 13:01.01 | omido | movl: I dont want to change the default bootloader of my Laptop.(SUSE Linux Enterprise and OpenSUSE) . its very easy to chainload distros which use grub legacy using SUSE's YaST tool but it cannot read grub2. Also my own experience with grub2(in this case ubuntu) wasnt so good |
| 13:01.12 | omido | jelly: i want Grub legacy as the default bootloader |
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| 13:03.43 | jelly | omido: eh, good luck with that. You can install it manually as (one of) the last step(s) in the installation process in Debian, but I have no idea which installers still default to it. |
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| 13:05.42 | omido | The debian live cd project needs to update its iso list and also correct some of the mirrors which has issues |
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| 13:07.19 | tabakhase | im having a few spamy mailservers, spammy in a manner of "sending me all the "unknown use delivery messages" that i dont want to see" - is there a prooven way/tool for reading the mailbox file and applying some filtering magic? or jumping in even before as a servic in the postfix-deliver? |
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| 13:07.53 | tabakhase | regexlike filtering for blacklisting/redirecting these mails to /dev/null ;-) |
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| 13:20.48 | MrJK | Hi guys |
| 13:20.59 | MrJK | I was wondering, I plan to make a NAS |
| 13:21.11 | MrJK | And I was curious about hardware |
| 13:21.24 | MrJK | I've seen that: https://ata.wiki.kernel.org/articles/p/a/t/Pata_via.html |
| 13:21.43 | MrJK | There is no specific notes about stability, reliability and performance |
| 13:22.18 | MrJK | Is it a good deal to bet on these chipset ? |
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| 13:23.40 | jelly | MrJK: dunno about you, but "PATA" sounds old to me, and possibly buggy |
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| 13:25.18 | MrJK | jelly: ok, and what would you recommand me to to some HW RAID under linux ? |
| 13:25.40 | colo-work | none. |
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| 13:25.56 | colo-work | just get an AHCI capable southbridge, and use Linux' md. |
| 13:26.01 | jelly | MrJK: well. What's your budget? |
| 13:26.12 | kreedy | i'm having an issue with apt pinning. the pin seems to be set up correctly: http://pastebin.com/WXeQP7eU apt-cache policy output: http://pastebin.com/7euciE3p. if i `apt-get install php5-mysql`, the correct package is installed (the one with the highest priority of 1001). if i `install php5-mysql=5.3.2-1ubuntu4.14`, it picks the first entry, which has a priority of 500. |
| 13:26.17 | kreedy | Any one know how to set up pinning so that there aren't to separate entries in the versioning table for identical version? or, have another way for this to work? my package management needs to specify the version to apt-get :-/ |
| 13:27.02 | jelly | kreedy: ask in #ubuntu if that's the distro you're using |
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| 13:27.44 | kreedy | figured there'd be more people with experience with debian packaging in here. i can probably deploy this same issue on debian really quick, but i'll ask in #ubuntu |
| 13:27.47 | abrotman | MrJK: HW RAID controllers are generally a few hundred dollars |
| 13:27.49 | colo-work | tabakhase, http://www.postfix.org/header_checks.5.html |
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| 13:30.13 | MrJK | abrotman: yep, maybe it is not so pertinent to buy one then ... I'm talking about a PME context |
| 13:30.16 | MrJK | huuu |
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| 13:30.21 | MrJK | Small Company I mean |
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| 13:31.37 | abrotman | SMB ? |
| 13:31.45 | abrotman | MrJK: many people use swraid happily |
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| 13:32.06 | jelly | until it dies |
| 13:32.44 | colo-work | jelly, but even hardware RAID doesn't live longer than until it dies :) |
| 13:32.52 | abrotman | jelly: i'm just saying .. many people like it .. doesn't mean you shouldn't practice failures |
| 13:32.54 | jelly | ... |
| 13:33.10 | MrJK | lol, I know that's friday ^^ |
| 13:33.13 | jelly | I'm a practicing failure every day. |
| 13:33.20 | MrJK | Actually, I just want to build everything |
| 13:33.33 | MrJK | I don't wanna buy one of these blackbox |
| 13:33.36 | tabakhase | colo-work seems great... could i use it as a target in my transport_map? so instead of local: lookup to filterthing:? |
| 13:33.47 | MrJK | I want something like "Debian compatible" |
| 13:33.52 | abrotman | MrJK: if you want a rough blueprint for doing a swraid nas .. google "raid backblaze" .. you should come across an article about a 1PB NAS |
| 13:34.21 | abrotman | jelly: i meant learn how to recover from a degraded system and/or make sure your backups are functional |
| 13:34.25 | jelly | MrJK: 3ware have been compatible for decades. |
| 13:35.09 | jelly | MrJK: I've _heard_ nice things about Areca ones but have not actually seen or tested any |
| 13:35.30 | abrotman | seconds both comments |
| 13:36.10 | MrJK | abrotman: am lookin that right now |
| 13:36.27 | MrJK | okay |
| 13:38.00 | colo-work | tabakhase, whatever checks you define will be performed without any kind of modification to your existing transports. I don't know if I understand your question, but does this answer it? ;) |
| 13:38.02 | abrotman | /m/win 6 |
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| 13:39.28 | tabakhase | colo-work no, question is "if i can use transports to use//'activate' the filter", or will it automaticly hok into local:? |
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| 13:40.09 | colo-work | tabakhase, the filter will check/apply to EVERY mail before it's being queued. |
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| 13:41.12 | tabakhase | colo-work and if i only want to filter on "qued for local delivery" i would need to make that rule using a filter to, right? |
| 13:41.54 | colo-work | I don't know how to implement that kind of check off-hand, sorry. try asking in #postfix instead. |
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| 13:42.44 | tabakhase | kk, ill go deeper there and google a bit, thanks so far, got a decent keyword now ;-) |
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| 13:48.09 | kreedy | jelly: know of a good channel for apt issues? |
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| 13:50.05 | jelly | kreedy: sorry, I don't. I sometimes have no idea where to ask apt or dpkg questions, and have to first reproduce in Debian, then ask here. |
| 13:50.32 | xr600 | I it possible to configure Debian to poweroff after X seconds of inactivity ? |
| 13:50.37 | kreedy | k. i'll spin up a debian box and give this a shot there |
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| 13:53.12 | jelly | idly wonders whether the next stable Debian is going to release with the stable Wine 1.4 release |
| 13:53.26 | Mephisto | is anyone using skype here? |
| 13:53.39 | jelly | Mephisto: yes. Ask your question. |
| 13:53.40 | Mephisto | i've got some weird probs connecting |
| 13:53.43 | Mephisto | dunno why |
| 13:53.51 | Mephisto | net is alright, but skype started acting really weird. |
| 13:54.12 | speak | jelly no waaaaay. |
| 13:54.18 | speak | Wine 1.3 tops! :P |
| 13:54.24 | Mephisto | now it takes it quite a while to connect. Wtf... |
| 13:54.34 | Mephisto | i've restarted it - still connecting. |
| 13:54.39 | colo-work | it's Skype. |
| 13:54.44 | Mephisto | colo-work, you got the same? |
| 13:54.48 | colo-work | there's nothing to wonder about this kind of behaviour. |
| 13:54.56 | colo-work | whenever someone forces me to use it, yeah |
| 13:54.58 | Mephisto | well... it's happening since yesterday. |
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| 13:55.00 | nettezzz | hello |
| 13:55.24 | nettezzz | userdel -r $someone segfaults .. weird, here's strace http://starenka.net/ntz/foo_strace.txt |
| 13:55.49 | Mephisto | by the way... i'm still using version 2.1, 'cause 2.2 crashes on amd64. |
| 13:55.55 | Mephisto | usually on startup |
| 13:55.57 | nettezzz | i've not experienced such since early 90's |
| 13:56.02 | Mephisto | but may crash a bit later too |
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| 13:56.14 | Mephisto | i wonder if there's any real solution to that apart from installing 32bit debian |
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| 13:56.57 | jelly | Mephisto: I've just killed it and started again, seems to work. Using 2.1.0.81 on i386. |
| 13:57.15 | Mephisto | hah! Skype failed to connect saying "P2P Connect failed" |
| 13:57.20 | Mephisto | yeah, i did the same yesterday and it worked too |
| 13:57.29 | Mephisto | let me try again.. |
| 13:58.15 | Mephisto | hm... |
| 13:58.20 | Mephisto | nope.. has no effect on it... |
| 13:58.23 | Mephisto | what the hell... |
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| 14:03.46 | nettezzz | once again :: http://starenka.net/ntz/foo_strace.txt anyone has a clue why that happens .. poor debian, i'm shocked |
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| 14:04.49 | lapsusbrutus | gsata ok for harddrives for a software linux raid? |
| 14:05.02 | lapsusbrutus | never heard of gsata before now :) |
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| 14:08.25 | Coweater | gsata seems to be a gigabyte name for the ports controlled by an add-on controller, they should function the same, just using a different driver |
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| 14:11.20 | jelly | nettezzz: are there any processes still running by that user? |
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| 14:14.40 | RelBe | somebody has noted that emacs gui freeze after C-z? |
| 14:14.46 | sharpK | what's the easiest way to upgrade kernel (I need to go from 2.6 to 3.2)? |
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| 14:16.38 | death1010011010 | sharpK, backports ;] |
| 14:17.55 | sharpK | death1010011010: thanks, would this be it: http://packages.debian.org/squeeze-backports/linux-image-3.2.0-0.bpo.1-rt-amd64 ? |
| 14:18.57 | death1010011010 | sharpK yes |
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| 14:19.28 | sharpK | I'll try it out, thanks. is that something you can just apt-get install, or is there something more complex (uninstallation and multiple levels of installation)? |
| 14:20.46 | death1010011010 | sharpK, aptitude -t squeeze-backports install linux-image-3.2.0-0.bpo.1-rt-amd64 |
| 14:21.17 | sharpK | death1010011010, thanks, I'll try it out now... |
| 14:21.45 | death1010011010 | sharpK, ;] |
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| 14:27.33 | Iridos | Rel... |
| 14:27.52 | Iridos | young people of today... always rushing around |
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| 14:31.52 | sharpK | blinking cursor probably not a good sign? |
| 14:32.45 | thewanderer1 | it... depends :P |
| 14:33.10 | sharpK | heh... it's happenned before, might need to install alternative nvidia drivers (maybe this kernel needs the backport ones, too) |
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| 14:33.27 | joe9 | is "dracut" the more latest recommended than "initramfs-tools" ? |
| 14:33.37 | boairc | iftop rates are in kilobytes or kilobits? the ones at botto right corner of the screen |
| 14:33.49 | sharpK | or would this kernel (3.2) use the same drivers I isntalled on the other kernel (2.6), I am really clueless when it comes to all these things... |
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| 14:36.50 | death1010011010 | sharpK, i think you should reinstall nvidia drivers :> |
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| 14:37.54 | sharpK | death1010011010, should I use the backport drivers (I am in recovery mode now) or the standard apt-get? |
| 14:38.20 | serafeim | I can't reboot my computer. It just kills my gnome period without actually rebooting the machine. Any ideas? |
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| 14:38.56 | death1010011010 | sharpK, hard to say ... :P you can try standard first .. |
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| 14:39.04 | sharpK | will do, thanks |
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| 14:47.31 | Iridos | seraf... |
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| 14:47.38 | Iridos | tab, tab, tab |
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| 14:50.58 | *** topic/#debian is squeeze (6.0.4) released; /msg dpkg squeeze | lenny EOL 2012-02-06 /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze ; /msg dpkg 5.0.9 | NO FLOOD: /msg dpkg pastebin | /msg bots NOT people | offtopic: #debian-offtopic | wheezy/sid: #debian-next (irc.oftc.net) | FAQ: http://deb.li/IRCFAQ | channel logs: http://deb.li/yQXC |
| 14:52.12 | Iridos | sharpK, actually everything should go automatically with dkms, even the proprietary nvidia driver |
| 14:52.26 | Iridos | dpkg, nvidia dkms |
| 14:52.27 | dpkg | For Squeeze users. Ask me about <contrib> and <non-free sources>. "aptitude -r install linux-headers-2.6-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` nvidia-kernel-dkms && mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf". Run "update-initramfs -u" and restart your system to enable the <nouveau> blacklist. For legacy drivers, see <nvidia legacy>. |
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| 14:53.23 | sharpK | Tridos, for some reason (even now after uninstalling every nvidia package that I saw in dpkg -l using apt-get remove), I get a blinking cursor when select the 3.2 kernel during boot... |
| 14:53.30 | sharpK | never goes into desktop |
| 14:53.42 | sharpK | I can issue SSH and everything, but just nothing loads... |
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| 14:54.59 | Iridos | sharpK, what driver are you aiming for - nouveau or proprietary nvidia |
| 14:55.40 | Iridos | probably /var/log/Xorg.0.log provides a clue as to your current problem - along with lsmod and/or dmesg |
| 14:55.49 | sharpK | whichever one would finally make HDMI audio work (everything was perfect in 2.6 with the nvidia proprieteries installed except that I got not HDMI audio device in aplay -l). Someone suggested to upgrade to 3.2 for a module that included support for that kind of thing, so that's what I tried. |
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| 14:56.28 | sharpK | Now I have installed 3.2, selected it in the boot menu, I see all those initial lines of code coming up, but then instead of going into desktop I get a blinking cursor |
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| 14:56.57 | Sc0rian | what is the best way to keep a hard drive backuped up continuously? like lvm but keeping two hdds in sync.. obviously not using mdadm raid 1.. |
| 14:57.31 | Iridos | you said that about the cursor... but it't not very informative as such. Try the logs I mentioned instead of looking at the cursor :D |
| 14:57.32 | HJE841 | is it possible to change motherboard on a server running Squeezy in a RAID 5 setup without messing with the RAID setup? |
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| 14:58.02 | Whiskey | How to find out if a package is installed or not? |
| 14:58.03 | Iridos | dunno about hdmi audio |
| 14:58.06 | jelly | HJE841: software or hardware RAID 5? |
| 14:58.10 | Iridos | Whiskey, dpkg -l <package> |
| 14:58.23 | HJE841 | jelly, I believe it's software using mdadm |
| 14:58.42 | Whiskey | yeh but i try to do a bash script, and thats not working in there if is removed the package its still find it in there |
| 14:58.50 | jelly | HJE841: it that case, yes, providing of course you can still connect all the disks |
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| 14:59.38 | HJE841 | jelly, so it's just plugging in all the disks - maybe in the right order - and boot up? |
| 14:59.43 | jelly | HJE841: make sure your mdadm.conf is sane and up to date, and the version in initramfs images as well |
| 14:59.50 | Iridos | Whiskey, it's only installed if it says "ii" - after a regular remove config files are kept. to get rid of those you have to purge the package instead of removing |
| 15:00.12 | Whiskey | well |
| 15:00.17 | Whiskey | i do remove --purge when i delete it |
| 15:00.24 | HJE841 | jelly, the thing is that I have no way of interacting with the server. the motherboard is already toast |
| 15:00.25 | thewanderer1 | jelly, HJE841: doesn't it depend on whether mdadm.conf has UUID-based entries or device name based? in case of UUID, it's automagic, but if it contains device paths (/dev/sda) you need the right order - is my understanding |
| 15:00.42 | thewanderer1 | the installer default is UUID |
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| 15:01.02 | Whiskey | i try "dpkg -s libssl-dev>/dev/null 2>&1 || sudo apt-get install libssl-dev" |
| 15:01.07 | Whiskey | but debian wont take it |
| 15:01.13 | karthick87 | What is the latest debian version? Where can i get the same ? |
| 15:01.19 | jelly | thewanderer1: "sane" |
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| 15:01.54 | karthick87 | What is the latest debian version? Where can i get the same ? |
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| 15:02.49 | Iridos | Whiskey, why don't you just run the apt-get install? |
| 15:02.59 | Whiskey | well |
| 15:03.04 | Whiskey | ofc i check first if it allredy exist or not |
| 15:03.12 | Iridos | apt-get does that |
| 15:03.18 | Whiskey | yeh |
| 15:03.27 | Whiskey | but why run it if its allredy in |
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| 15:03.42 | Iridos | to make sure it is? |
| 15:03.45 | jelly | karthick87: read the topic, please |
| 15:03.46 | Iridos | I thought that's the whole point |
| 15:03.52 | HJE841 | jelly, thewanderer1 : I managed to do a cat /proc/mdstat and it lists all sdX devices |
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| 15:04.15 | Iridos | Whiskey, how is that different from running "dpkg -s libssl-dev>/dev/null 2>&1 || sudo apt-get install libssl-dev" |
| 15:04.15 | Whiskey | + i wuld like to see whats installed and not |
| 15:04.23 | Whiskey | i can´t do that whit just apt |
| 15:04.36 | Whiskey | its not execute it if its there |
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| 15:05.24 | karthick87 | Can anyone give me FTP link for downloading Debian 6.0 |
| 15:05.24 | Iridos | dpkg is executed |
| 15:05.25 | dpkg | Iridos: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 15:05.28 | Night_Elf | HJE841: I would think that if you plug the disks in another motherboard, you can even get the md array up with a livecd, just so you can check whether you can access it or not. |
| 15:05.29 | Iridos | shaddup dpkg |
| 15:05.43 | Whiskey | well |
| 15:05.50 | Whiskey | its not a good option there |
| 15:05.56 | Whiskey | as it can´t give me a yes or no |
| 15:06.05 | Iridos | Whiskey, I mean what's the difference if you run some dpkg command for a check that doesn't work to letting apt-get do the check? |
| 15:06.07 | steampunkey | shouldn't fakeroot be able to provide apt-get? |
| 15:06.09 | karthick87 | Can anyone give me FTP link for downloading Debian 6.0 |
| 15:06.32 | steampunkey | karthick87: have you tried looking for it yourself? |
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| 15:06.50 | HJE841 | Night_Elf, that does sound interesting. any suggestions on a board? I'm running 4 1TB disks with Debian |
| 15:07.05 | HJE841 | I will need dual ethernet port |
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| 15:07.28 | jelly | karthick87: why ftp? |
| 15:07.32 | karthick87 | steampunkey Tried but i din found |
| 15:07.44 | karthick87 | jelly: Anything will be great |
| 15:07.51 | steampunkey | anyone, fakeroot doesn't allow me to apt-get install. shouldn't i be able to do that? |
| 15:07.57 | valdyn | steampunkey: no |
| 15:08.01 | dvs | karthick87: www.debian.org |
| 15:08.13 | Night_Elf | HJE841: software raids are not sensitive to motherboard models. If the system can recognise the disk as some /dev/sd*, it also should be there as the /dev/disk/by-uuid/* |
| 15:08.25 | valdyn | steampunkey: fakeroot is not really root, thats why its fakeroot |
| 15:08.25 | steampunkey | karthick87: how come you need ftp? |
| 15:08.26 | Night_Elf | HJE841: and from there, the mdadm takes over. |
| 15:08.26 | jelly | karthick87: just go to www.debian.org and pick the obvious link in the upper right corner |
| 15:08.47 | jelly | karthick87: you will need a wired internet connection |
| 15:08.50 | steampunkey | valdyn: i hoped it'd do something like what chroot does, and allow me to (temporarily) "install" things |
| 15:09.27 | HJE841 | Night_Elf, I see. could the motherboard be a NAS? |
| 15:09.41 | karthick87 | jelly: Do i need the internet connection during the installation ? |
| 15:09.49 | jelly | karthick87: yes. |
| 15:09.55 | karthick87 | Why so ? |
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| 15:10.05 | jelly | karthick87: to get anything but the base system. |
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| 15:10.18 | Whiskey | dunno |
| 15:10.26 | Iridos | Whiskey, for all proper debian packages you should be able to check with [ -d /usr/share/doc/$PACKAGENAME ] |
| 15:10.39 | Iridos | Whiskey, if your heart hangs on it |
| 15:10.40 | Night_Elf | HJE841: I would think so. Butr then, what os would the NAS be built on? |
| 15:10.42 | karthick87 | jelly: Why not debian doesn't give full installation package like ubuntu ? |
| 15:11.02 | valdyn | steampunkey: basically all fakeroot does is what you see in "fakeroot whami", it just lies about who you are |
| 15:11.08 | HJE841 | Night_Elf, I haven't bought it yet |
| 15:11.10 | jelly | karthick87: they do... there are also other images more suitable for an offline installation, but netinst is the default. |
| 15:11.14 | valdyn | steampunkey: "fakeroot whoami" even |
| 15:11.15 | steampunkey | karthick87: if you don't like that, for more options /msg dpkg download, thought there's no ftp resource at the returned link |
| 15:11.19 | Night_Elf | HJE841: All these questions I only have guesses for an answer... so it would all be "try and see". |
| 15:11.25 | dvs | karthick87: Do you have 8 DVDs lying around? |
| 15:11.27 | Iridos | Whiskey, if you can't, you can file a bug against the package. AFAIK it's policy to have that directory and its content |
| 15:11.31 | jelly | karthick87: http://www.debian.org/CD/http-ftp/#stable |
| 15:11.52 | jelly | !tell karthick87 about various cd1 |
| 15:12.19 | HJE841 | Night_Elf, then I'll get the NAS and plug in the drives and see what happens. if no go, then I'll be setting the server up from scratch :( |
| 15:12.20 | Iridos | Whiskey, note that probably pretty much all packages not out of the debian repos ignore that |
| 15:12.22 | steampunkey | valdyn: how does it lie about uid? |
| 15:12.39 | Night_Elf | HJE841: you could just find any motherboard that supports that sort of disks you have (sata/sas, 4 * 1TB) and see what you get from the livecd. Just to see. don't change anything in the disks content or configurations. |
| 15:12.50 | Night_Elf | HJE841: yea you could do that. |
| 15:13.03 | valdyn | steampunkey: by overloading the function call |
| 15:13.21 | HJE841 | the choice is between getting a new motherboard or getting a NAS. |
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| 15:14.01 | Iridos | Whiskey, anyway, it's not such a great idea to have apt install things from a script. There might be questions for configuring the package or dependency problems... |
| 15:14.21 | steampunkey | valdyn: interesting, how exactly thought? I know it envolves execing other things as child processes, but I'm not sure how they get it to call their function instead of the default one? I mean, f you know? (I realize this goes OT) |
| 15:14.22 | karthick87 | jelly: Lol its a confusing one, i just need to install GNOME version of debian. Can someone give me appropriate download link pls |
| 15:14.33 | Night_Elf | HJE841: Well, saying something like "a NAS" is quite broad. For example, I have a motherboard from Supermicro, with a case that has place for 12 disks... I have installed Debian in that and now I call it a NAS. |
| 15:14.35 | valdyn | steampunkey: all that is in the majnpage |
| 15:14.45 | Whiskey | naaa |
| 15:14.48 | Whiskey | it shuld work fine |
| 15:14.50 | jelly | karthick87: really? |
| 15:15.01 | karthick87 | yes |
| 15:15.15 | jelly | karthick87: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.4/i386/iso-cd/debian-6.0.4-i386-CD-1.iso |
| 15:15.31 | Whiskey | something like this shuld work |
| 15:15.31 | Whiskey | egrep 'Status: install ok installed' dpkg -s libssl-dev |
| 15:15.47 | HJE841 | Night_Elf, I am looking at something like this: http://www.qnap.com/pro_detail_feature.asp?p_id=193 |
| 15:15.47 | karthick87 | Jelly: So that i dont want internet connection for debian installation right? |
| 15:15.50 | Iridos | Whiskey, I tolde you how to check! |
| 15:16.04 | Iridos | s/de/d/ |
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| 15:16.52 | usuariolibre | hola alguien habla español? |
| 15:17.05 | Whiskey | No you dident |
| 15:17.12 | Iridos | yes I did |
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| 15:17.22 | Whiskey | whee |
| 15:17.25 | Whiskey | where |
| 15:17.33 | Iridos | aah |
| 15:17.36 | Whiskey | ooo |
| 15:17.37 | Whiskey | got it |
| 15:17.42 | Night_Elf | HJE841: I see. It is something premade from some vendor. Which brings you back to the question: What OS is that running? It could be running some version of Windows, God forbid. And will it be possible to try a LiveCD with it? Is your livecd i386? What if the NAS is ARM-based? |
| 15:18.26 | Iridos | <Iridos> Whiskey, for all proper debian packages you should be able to check with if [ -d /usr/share/doc/$PACKAGENAME ] ; then echo $PACKAGENAME is installed; else echo nuffin there; fi |
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| 15:19.41 | Night_Elf | HJE841: anyhow, from what you showed there, I can see the "software spec" there. What they mention makes me believe it is some i386 compatible hardware. |
| 15:19.45 | Whiskey | see if it works |
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| 15:20.15 | Night_Elf | HJE841: need to afk for a while, so can't respond. |
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| 15:20.47 | HJE841 | hmm.. it doesn't talk about more than one Ethernet port. so that solution is down the drain |
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| 15:21.17 | Whiskey | Works perfectly fine |
| 15:21.18 | Whiskey | thx |
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| 15:21.49 | Night_Elf | HJE841: At the hardware I saw: LAN Port 2 x Gigabit RJ-45 Ethernet port |
| 15:22.02 | HJE841 | Night_Elf, yeah, just saw that. |
| 15:22.05 | HJE841 | :) |
| 15:22.17 | Night_Elf | HJE841: it says for CPU, Marvel 6281 |
| 15:22.26 | Night_Elf | I have never worked with any of those. |
| 15:22.57 | HJE841 | Night_Elf, me neither but it says 'Embedded Linux' for OS |
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| 15:25.11 | Iridos | Whiskey, else I guess you can do if [ "$(dpkg-query -W -f='${Status}\n' dpkg)" == "install ok installed" ] ; then |
| 15:25.56 | buyoq | hello guys..how do i remove a rootkit in my system ? seems like it's been infected with rootkit..checked it with chkrootkit & rkhunter |
| 15:26.09 | buyoq | any way to remove them instead of formatting the system ? |
| 15:26.15 | dvs | buyoq: reinstall |
| 15:26.17 | Iridos | buyoq, use the last backup before? |
| 15:26.23 | karlpinc | buyoq: You save the stuff you want and you re-install. That's the only sure way. |
| 15:26.56 | buyoq | buyoq@binx:~$ ps x |
| 15:26.57 | buyoq | Unknown HZ value! (88) Assume 100. |
| 15:26.57 | buyoq | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:26.57 | buyoq | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:26.57 | buyoq | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:27.02 | Iridos | !next |
| 15:27.02 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
| 15:27.07 | Buglouse | ?? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gcc-4.6/+bug/914180 ?? |
| 15:27.08 | dvs | heh |
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| 15:27.15 | buyoq | lol.. |
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| 15:27.16 | buyoq | sorry |
| 15:27.27 | dvs | !paste |
| 15:27.27 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ http://paste.pocoo.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>, <lodgeit.py>. |
| 15:27.33 | buyoq | ya ya |
| 15:27.44 | buyoq | read it but totally forgotten about it.. |
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| 15:28.08 | buyoq | so i bet the best way is to reinstall.. |
| 15:28.12 | HJE841 | Night_Elf, oh well. I'll sleep on it :) |
| 15:28.22 | HJE841 | Night_Elf, thanks for the input |
| 15:28.24 | Iridos | Buglouse, it's a link |
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| 15:29.05 | buyoq | so the best way is to reinstall ? |
| 15:29.15 | dvs | ??? |
| 15:29.24 | buyoq | my hacked vps |
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| 15:29.42 | Iridos | buyoq, obviously you can just remove whatever rkhunter found, but you don't know what the intruder did that it didn't find |
| 15:30.05 | buyoq | yep that's the thing..that's what lingers on my mind |
| 15:30.06 | Iridos | and I think yes, that's what we said ("<buyoq> so the best way is to reinstall ?") |
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| 15:30.23 | buyoq | alrighty then..thanks for the idea.. |
| 15:30.55 | Iridos | you'll always wonder if he's still in there if you don't reinstall |
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| 15:31.20 | Iridos | only good thing is, with a vps probably can't manipulate the kernel |
| 15:31.34 | buyoq | there goes my 200 backup mp3 then..lol |
| 15:31.38 | buyoq | yah this is a vps |
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| 15:32.56 | buyoq | well..what's the best way to prevent from any intrude afterwards ? |
| 15:33.01 | JordiGH | Whenever I run valgrind in squeeze, I get reports about conditional jump depending on uninitialised memory that refer to libc code outside of the program I'm trying to debug. I can't find a bug report about this. |
| 15:33.14 | buyoq | shall i put in iptables ? never installed it b4 |
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| 15:35.36 | karlpinc | buyoq: Wouldn't hurt, especially if you setup a default-deny policy. (I prefer ferm to raw iptables. YMMV.) How did they get in? |
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| 15:36.23 | buyoq | not sure mates..i just logged in into my vps and my current load is damn high |
| 15:36.37 | karlpinc | buyoq: You've been keeping up with security updates? |
| 15:36.45 | Iridos | buyoq, no... if you don't use services don't run them. Change passwords... update packages from security.debian.org. Would really be useful to know how they got in |
| 15:37.00 | buyoq | tried to check the process and got the the hertz problem |
| 15:37.10 | buyoq | i just setup the server yesterday..less than 48 hours |
| 15:37.25 | buyoq | Unknown HZ value! (88) Assume 100. |
| 15:37.40 | buyoq | that's the error that i got when i "ps x" |
| 15:37.50 | karlpinc | buyoq: Change all the passwords? Use strong passwords? Deny remote login with passwords and use keys. |
| 15:38.23 | buyoq | sorry i'm not so good in linux but how do set it ? and wht keys did u mean ? |
| 15:39.21 | karlpinc | !tell buyoq about ssh without password |
| 15:39.26 | octane- | .oO( change ALL the passwords? ) |
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| 15:40.14 | karlpinc | buyoq: See the authorized_keys section of "man sshd". And see /etc/ssh/sshd_config for turning off passwords (see also "man sshd_config". |
| 15:40.29 | buyoq | oh i'm not using openssh by the way |
| 15:40.33 | buyoq | i'm using dropbear |
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| 15:40.48 | Iridos | karlpinc, wonder how you'd ever notice if it wasn't such an old version of top... rkhunter probably... or debsums - depends if it manages to also hide the changes to files on disk (kernel module?) |
| 15:40.56 | karlpinc | buyoq: Then you'll need to figure out the dropbear way to do it. |
| 15:41.17 | Iridos | it's pretty much the same |
| 15:41.18 | buyoq | alrighty then..thanks dude.. |
| 15:41.22 | buyoq | reinstalling the OS now.. |
| 15:41.48 | Iridos | well, it's exactly the same, I think |
| 15:41.57 | karlpinc | Iridos: If they're good enough you don't notice. :) |
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| 15:42.16 | Iridos | karlpinc, yeah :( that's the problem |
| 15:42.50 | Iridos | karlpinc, probably should install a couple of rootkits oneself to get a bit sensitized about the types of changes one _might_ notice |
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| 15:44.23 | Iridos | karlpinc, I wonder how the ratio of notice vs doesn't-notice is... all times I heard someone noticed was because of stupid things... (like the rootkit installed gnu top on a solaris system, which uses the berkley options, which the gnu top didn't support at the time) |
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| 15:45.46 | karlpinc | Iridos: You notice by traffic monitoring and so forth from outside the box, or maybe load. |
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| 15:46.47 | Iridos | karlpinc, load that uptime shows, but top would not? |
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| 15:49.10 | karlpinc | Iridos: Hard to say. I'm thinking another approach would be to use kvm, which I've not used, and see if the host can tell. |
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| 15:50.05 | WormFood | Is there some way better than "hdparm -Y /dev/sdx" to "shutdown" a sata hard drive, before hot-removing it. I feel like I should be notifying the kernel or something more. What procedure do you guys use to hot-remove a sata hard drive? |
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| 15:50.30 | Buglouse | WormFood: There is 'eject' |
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| 15:50.51 | Buglouse | WormFood: Just call sync;umount;eject. |
| 15:50.52 | WormFood | that is for cd/dvd drives. Have you actually tried it in a hard drive? |
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| 15:51.21 | WormFood | eject does nothing for a sata hard drive. Even the man page does not say it supports hard drives. |
| 15:51.58 | WormFood | and a umount will sync it, so no need for the extra command. :P |
| 15:52.40 | WormFood | so, we're down to "umount", which is pretty obvious....my question is specific to removing sata hard drives. Is there some ioctl or something for this? |
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| 15:54.06 | karlpinc | WormFood: Dunno. Sata is supposed to be hot-swappable all by itself, so you'd expect to be able to just unplug it and the kernel will deal with the hardware. I've not thought about it. |
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| 15:54.33 | WormFood | it does deal with it, but I don't know if there is a "cleaner" way to do it. |
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| 15:54.57 | WormFood | so far, hdparm -Y will put the hard drive into a sleep mode, which powers down the spindle |
| 15:55.10 | WormFood | which is the best that I've been able to figure out. |
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| 15:56.40 | karlpinc | WormFood: It is nice to park the heads before shaking up the drive. :) |
| 15:57.00 | WormFood | I agree..but if not, it makes a nice baby rattle ;P |
| 15:57.34 | Night_Elf | I was wondering about the cpu on some NAS systems. Namely, one I saw mentioned it had a Marvel 6281, which turns to be ARM. Now, if I wanted to try and install Debian on such a system, what image would I use? armel? i386? |
| 15:58.12 | WormFood | you just said it is an ARM...why would you even ask if i386 would be the one to install? |
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| 15:58.44 | Night_Elf | WormFood: because I just don't know and I don't think I sin if I ask ? |
| 15:58.52 | WormFood | I mean, if you want to get that deep into it, I'd expect you to know the difference between an ARM and x86 |
| 15:59.13 | jelly | Night_Elf: best to ask the arm channel about it... |
| 15:59.20 | jelly | !armel |
| 15:59.20 | dpkg | armel is the Debian <ARM> EABI port, first released with <lenny>. http://wiki.debian.org/ArmEabiPort http://www.debian.org/ports/arm/ #debian-arm on irc.oftc.net. |
| 15:59.24 | WormFood | I'd expect it to be armel, but not sure |
| 15:59.33 | jelly | Night_Elf: note it's not on this network |
| 15:59.36 | WormFood | I mean, if that is all they have for arm, then that'd be it |
| 15:59.38 | Night_Elf | WormFood: I do. But I have also read somewhere that AMD for example uses RISC technolgy at its core, and yet falls in the i386 category. |
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| 16:00.42 | WormFood | the internals of the cpu does not matter. This is the instruction set it understands. |
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| 16:01.02 | WormFood | anyways, ARM is not compatible with x86 |
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| 16:01.21 | WormFood | so you wouldn't use i386, i586, i686 or anything else like that |
| 16:01.50 | Night_Elf | WormFood: That's also what I thought too. But as I am not sure juts thought of mentioning it. |
| 16:01.56 | Night_Elf | just* |
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| 16:02.20 | WormFood | I got a gumstix that runs Linux, back in usa. I should have asked my mom to bring that with her when she comes to visit. I forget what that ran, but it wasn't a full blown distro, like debian. |
| 16:02.39 | WormFood | gumstix is arm based too |
| 16:03.07 | Night_Elf | WormFood: Actually, the NAS I was looking at said that it run some embeded linux, no mention what or any other details. |
| 16:03.11 | WormFood | it seemed like an odd one to me, to ask about. |
| 16:03.36 | WormFood | I haven't played around with debian on arm yet |
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| 16:04.16 | Night_Elf | WormFood: me neither. I have only installed Debian on some PowerMac once, but that's as far as away from i386 as I have gone. |
| 16:04.41 | WormFood | I too have installed debian on a powerpc (mac) |
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| 16:05.05 | WormFood | and if I remember correctly, also on the 68040 (also mac) |
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| 16:05.54 | WormFood | the 68xxx is special for me, because I can program it in assembly language. I actually built a 68000 computer from a kit (bare circuit board...that kinda kit) |
| 16:06.15 | Night_Elf | WormFood: The 68k series yea. But are they still supported with the latest debian releases ? |
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| 16:06.32 | WormFood | I don't know. I don't think so, but maybe. I don't pay attention to it. |
| 16:06.41 | lost_eden | can the installation images be dd'ed straight to a USB flash drive? |
| 16:06.49 | WormFood | I don't have either a 680x0 or PPC machine available |
| 16:06.57 | WormFood | yes lost_eden |
| 16:07.02 | Night_Elf | WormFood: I know what you mean. |
| 16:07.08 | lost_eden | WormFood: thanks |
| 16:07.10 | WormFood | they can also be cp'ed to the drive too |
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| 16:07.36 | WormFood | like cp dvd.img /dev/sdb....or you can use dd...either way works. |
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| 16:08.12 | Iridos | karlpinc, hmm... just running rkhunter on my squeeze system which I think unlikely to be compromised (behind a NAT on a wireless in a not very busy area - very few neighbors) ....... and it complains about a couple of things, like /sbin/chkconfig, because it's a perl script |
| 16:08.16 | WormFood | I personally use dd, and then send a SIGUSR1 to dd, to make it print out how much it has copied. |
| 16:08.26 | lost_eden | WormFood: cheers, I'm used to dd'ing images for other distros, just thought I'd check that it would also work with the debian images |
| 16:08.29 | WormFood | before i learned that little trick with dd, I always used cp |
| 16:09.12 | WormFood | IF it does not work, then try running isohybrid on the image. It won't work with everything, but it will convert a lot of images. (I've used it before, really nice) |
| 16:09.14 | Night_Elf | would cat image.iso > /dev/sdb work as well ? |
| 16:09.18 | WormFood | sure |
| 16:09.31 | WormFood | remember, it is just a file |
| 16:09.35 | Night_Elf | I see |
| 16:09.38 | WormFood | I mean...the device is a file |
| 16:09.46 | WormFood | so, any way to do that, will work. |
| 16:10.10 | WormFood | also, if you take the time to test it, you can tweak the block size with DD, and get a lot better performance. |
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| 16:10.25 | WormFood | well...sometimes, you can get a lot better performance. |
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| 16:13.49 | WormFood | this is interesting...I'm playing around with sparse files, and when I use du with the --apparent-size option, it shows one image as being 21 gig, but without that option, it shows as being 20 gig. How can the apparent size be larger than the real size? Is that like 'bloated files', the opposite of 'sparse files'? |
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| 16:14.24 | Iridos | karlpinc, also complains about /usr/bin/slice being there ... (all files are ok in regard of debsums, I don't doubt they're from the system either) |
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| 16:14.43 | thewanderer1 | WormFood, re-read the description in the manpage... |
| 16:14.47 | crocorock | hi, i was trying to enable ipv4 forwarding, but can't find it under /proc/net after a fresh install. how can i repair this? |
| 16:14.58 | crocorock | i only see ipv6 |
| 16:15.03 | valdyn | crocorock: /proc/sys/net/ |
| 16:15.20 | crocorock | valdyn: wow, how could i forget this. thanks |
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| 16:15.43 | Iridos | WormFood, the apparent size is the one that includes the "sparse" regions... the real size omits them, as it only shows the space used by actual data (not by chungs of zeros) |
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| 16:16.21 | WormFood | right, I understand that. |
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| 16:16.40 | Iridos | so... there's no contradiction to what you see? |
| 16:17.30 | WormFood | yeah, the man page says it can be higher because "holes in (`sparse') files, internal fragmentation, indirect blocks"....I guess those are structures outside of the file itself, that it is counting |
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| 16:18.23 | karlpinc | crocorock: You're probably better off setting something in /etc/systcl. |
| 16:18.56 | crocorock | karlpinc: thanks, that's the way i always done it |
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| 16:29.06 | Buglouse | So I am unable to proceed; https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gcc-4.6/+bug/914180 |
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| 16:32.09 | karlpinc | crocorock: That's a boot-time thing, and though you'll probably want to reboot just to be sure if you don't you'll need to turn it on (with the sysctl command or otherwise) until you reboot. |
| 16:32.29 | jpinx | what's the equivalent of mkisofs - to convert a dir full of stuff into an .iso ? (in squeeze) |
| 16:32.36 | thewanderer1 | Buglouse, that's an Ubuntu bug, is it Debian-related? |
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| 16:33.35 | karlpinc | jpinx: genisoimage (but man mkisofs still works.) |
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| 16:34.51 | jpinx | karlpinc: not finding man mkisofs - hance the question |
| 16:35.33 | karlpinc | jpinx: Dunno, but the man page redirects. |
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| 16:35.35 | Buglouse | Its and apt-get issue, thewanderer1 |
| 16:35.40 | Buglouse | /and/an/ |
| 16:35.51 | xrdodrx | Will the ARM9 VIA WM8650 CPU work with the armel Debian image? |
| 16:36.32 | jpinx | karlpinc: thanks - aptitude found genisoimage ;) |
| 16:36.35 | jelly | xrdodrx: ask in #debian-arm on irc.debian.org network. |
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| 16:36.43 | xrdodrx | jelly, thank you :) |
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| 16:38.15 | ChibaPet | Hi all. So, evidently when I updated to Squeeze I lost my ability to compose characters. Anyone remember how this is generally enabled, such that I might re-enable it? |
| 16:38.22 | ChibaPet | s/Squeeze/Wheezy/g |
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| 16:41.56 | ChibaPet | Hm, maybe my compose key just needs to be remapped. |
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| 16:42.52 | masterseh | im selling my macbook pro 15" and asus g74sx laptops. anyone interested? please message me if you are. |
| 16:44.17 | ChibaPet | I have "keysym Super_L = Multi_key" in my .xmodmaprc. I'm seeing Super_L when I press it in xev. Not remembering ift hat's correct or not. |
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| 16:46.27 | jpinx | karlpinc: seems that it has a limit to --max-depth which makes it not very useful :( |
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| 16:51.17 | thewanderer1 | how do I get a fingerprint of an SSH ECDSA public key? |
| 16:51.57 | ChibaPet | Okay, weird. Despite explicit invocation, my .xmodmaprc's "keysym Super_L = Multi_key" needed to be re-applied for some reason. |
| 16:52.06 | ChibaPet | I wonder if XFCE stomps on it. |
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| 16:52.57 | karlpinc | jpinx: I'm not sure, but IIRC it's a data structure limit. I think you may be able to get around it with one of the "extension" options. |
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| 16:53.31 | karlpinc | thewanderer1: The answer to those questions are always somewhere in openssl. |
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| 16:53.55 | thewanderer1 | karlpinc, does OpenSSL even understand SSH pubkey format? |
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| 16:55.27 | karlpinc | jpinx: -iso-level 4 (Don't know if rock ridge would help either.) |
| 16:55.56 | karlpinc | thewanderer1: I think I've used it. Could be wrong. |
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| 16:56.03 | karlpinc | thewanderer1: It's a bit of a blur. |
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| 16:56.42 | ChibaPet | No one ever likes my questions in here. :P |
| 16:57.08 | thewanderer1 | I've tried the obvious thing, ssh-keygen -t ecdsa -lf /etc/ssh/blahblah and it said it's not a key file O.o |
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| 16:58.25 | Moebius | jelly |
| 16:58.26 | jhutchins_wk | thewanderer1: Why are you using keygen instead of openssh? |
| 16:58.27 | Moebius | are you there? |
| 16:58.47 | thewanderer1 | jhutchins_wk, because that's what I normally use to verify RSA keys? |
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| 16:59.22 | jhutchins_wk | I didn't even know you could do that. openssh ecdsa -text -in /etc/ssh/blahblah |
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| 16:59.51 | jelly | Moebius: yes. Please ask the whole channel instead of focusing on a single volunteer. |
| 17:00.24 | jhutchins_wk | rt, openssl |
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| 17:00.27 | Moebius | jelly, no, this is an individual question. What skype 2.1 exactly do you have? debian or ubuntu one (intrepid)? |
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| 17:01.05 | karlpinc | jhutchins_wk: Is that going to work on squeeze? |
| 17:01.05 | jelly | Moebius: I can't find the exact .deb I installed any more. |
| 17:01.12 | Moebius | jelly, damn... |
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| 17:01.20 | Moebius | jelly, well.. could you check using dpkg? |
| 17:01.27 | Moebius | jelly, what division |
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| 17:02.03 | Moebius | jelly, cause i'm using intrepid one, cause i couldn't find Debian version. Not that it doesn't work.. i'm pretty much sure it's the same stuff.. i just wanted real Debian one. |
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| 17:02.19 | Moebius | jelly, it works now by the way. Probably some issues on the server |
| 17:02.28 | Moebius | jelly, i logged in on a 10th attempt maybe. |
| 17:02.37 | rypervenche | Moebius: Get Skype from skype.com |
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| 17:02.48 | Moebius | rypervenche, no, i can't. version 2.2 crashes on amd64 for me. |
| 17:02.53 | jelly | Moebius: but I have /home/jelly/Download/skype-debian_2.2.0.35-1_i386.deb on the machine at home, that one works as well. |
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| 17:03.12 | rypervenche | Moebius: Have you tried the 32-bit version? |
| 17:03.15 | Moebius | jelly, like i said, i386 is ok |
| 17:03.22 | Moebius | rypervenche, how do you think i can install it? |
| 17:03.27 | Moebius | rypervenche, it says "wrong architecture"/ |
| 17:03.29 | jelly | Moebius: then the course of action is clear! :-) |
| 17:03.42 | Moebius | jelly, i can't install i386?.. |
| 17:03.47 | jelly | Moebius: why not? |
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| 17:03.50 | Moebius | jelly, on amd64 workspace. |
| 17:03.51 | nameless` | hello |
| 17:03.55 | rypervenche | Moebius: You can. |
| 17:03.59 | Moebius | jelly, again... it says "wrong architecture" |
| 17:04.01 | Moebius | well, tell me how please. |
| 17:04.22 | jelly | Moebius: I mean, install i386 Debian. |
| 17:04.35 | nameless` | i've done user authentification using mysql tables and i use libnss-mysql and libpam-mysql, it works great but i wonder if there was easier way of adding user by adding them in table by hand ? |
| 17:04.36 | Moebius | jelly, nah, tried that. It becomes really slow.... |
| 17:04.45 | jelly | Moebius: works for me. |
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| 17:04.50 | nameless` | i can write script that do so but i'd like to know if anybody would know another way |
| 17:04.52 | rypervenche | Moebius: Give me a minute to find it. |
| 17:04.58 | Moebius | jelly, well, it works for me too, but it's slow.. easly gets overloaded and cheesy. |
| 17:05.01 | Moebius | rypervenche, ok |
| 17:05.42 | Moebius | jelly, here on amd64 even if i get 100% CPU it's still smooth. If on i386 it all becomes jerky. |
| 17:07.01 | rypervenche | Moebius: Install ia32-libs ia32-libs-gtk libqt4-core libqt4-gui |
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| 17:07.36 | Moebius | rypervenche, i think i already got them. But i can't run the deb you see. It would say wrong architecture, it won't install it. |
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| 17:07.52 | lost_eden | can somebody explain the purpose of kernel-patch-grsecurity2 & linux-patch-grsecurity2? do they somewhat automate the process of compiling a kernel with the grsec patch? |
| 17:07.58 | Moebius | rypervenche, i think even 64bit skype uses 32bit libs |
| 17:08.09 | Moebius | rypervenche, you seem like an opensuse user to me :) |
| 17:08.11 | jelly | Moebius: perhaps you're merely not using a sutiable kernel to gain access to whole ram |
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| 17:08.16 | simonlnu | nameless`: script it. that's how you automate and/or ease things. |
| 17:08.19 | Moebius | jelly, maybe you're right. |
| 17:08.42 | Moebius | jelly, but i think memory was not the case. I still had 3 gb out of 4... and it wasn't used... |
| 17:08.43 | jelly | Moebius: their 64bit package is the same 32bit build, just repackaged to allow installation on amd64 |
| 17:08.47 | Moebius | jelly, it's the CPU that worked differently. |
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| 17:09.30 | jelly | Moebius: I've been running i386 userspace with -amd64 kernel flavor for 2 years now and don't see too many issues. |
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| 17:09.52 | jelly | ,versions linux-image-amd64 --arch i386 |
| 17:09.53 | judd | Package: linux-image-amd64 on i386 -- lenny: 2.6.26+17+lenny1; lenny-backports: 2.6.32+27~bpo50+1; squeeze: 2.6.32+29; squeeze-backports: 3.2+42~bpo60+1; wheezy: 3.2+43; sid: 3.2+44 |
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| 17:10.03 | Moebius | jelly, so you mean you installed amd64 kernel on 32bit debian? How did you do it? |
| 17:10.18 | jelly | Moebius: just installed the above named package |
| 17:10.22 | simonlnu | aptitude install foo |
| 17:10.34 | jelly | it's already there. |
| 17:10.39 | Moebius | jelly, kernel 3.2? |
| 17:10.48 | Moebius | jelly, that doesn't work for me. Kills my audio completely. |
| 17:10.54 | jelly | Moebius: or 2.6.32 |
| 17:10.57 | Moebius | jelly, ah.... |
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| 17:17.48 | jhutchins_wk | karlpinc: Why would openssh not work on squeeze? |
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| 17:18.54 | tristezo2k | jhutchins_wk: what means it doesn´t work? |
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| 17:19.37 | lost_eden | can somebody help me with patch syntax? I have linux-source-2.6.32 downloaded & extracted, & I have the grsecurity2 package installed which puts the patches in /usr/src/kernel-patches |
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| 17:19.54 | lost_eden | but I am unsure how to actually tell patch to use the patches in that dir when compiling the kernel source |
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| 17:21.57 | Iridos | jelly, with what graphics card did you run i386/amd64 |
| 17:23.19 | Iridos | jelly, mmh, perhaps I should try... I didn't because I thought compiling fglrx would fail if I would need to make a 64-bit kernel module with a 32-bit gcc |
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| 17:25.39 | Iridos | dpkg, tell lost_eden about grsecurity2 |
| 17:26.24 | karlpinc | jhutchins_wk: I'm thinking eleptic curve (sp) in openssl is not in squeeze. |
| 17:26.26 | Iridos | lost_eden, I don't know much about grsec patches myself, but it looked like a useful factoid answering your questions ;) |
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| 17:27.34 | lost_eden | Iridos: cheers, I probably should;ve read the package notes & seen that there was a README, which will probably explain exactly what I need to do! |
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| 17:33.03 | Iridos | lost_eden, also seems a very good idea to read on that bug... http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=601113 |
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| 17:35.07 | Iridos | lost_eden, it's also something I haven't tried myself, but you might also look at /msg dpkg uupdate |
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| 17:35.20 | lost_eden | Iridos: thanks, I think I might follow the instructions from grsec, as they might be more up to date |
| 17:35.23 | Iridos | mmh, doubtful how useful that is on a source package |
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| 17:38.05 | dioz | i got a router without vlans... i have a computer currently dmz'd on that router... i also want that router to have a local link address 172.16.1.0/24 |
| 17:38.37 | karlpinc | Docbook olinks are driving me nuts. I tried setting up a simple test case, making the target.database.document and so forth and no matter what I do I still get errors unresolved olink: targetdoc/targetptr. I'm using docbook 5. I suspect my entities are not getting included so the actual db is not making it into the target.database.document. I tried using xinclude as well, but that didn't work either. |
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| 17:39.12 | karlpinc | If anyone cares I can paste a tarball somewhere. (I tried absolute paths in my entities, no joy.) |
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| 17:40.01 | dioz | i tried this with ip ad ad 172.16.1.201/24 dev eth0 label eth0:1 |
| 17:40.25 | dioz | then my router was like NO NO NO and took the machine out of DMZ assuming the computer wanted to set a static ip for the mac |
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| 17:43.03 | jhutchins_wk | karlpinc: You mean you're not sure if ecdsa encryption is in squeeze. I figured if he could do it with kegen he could do it with openssl, but let me poke around. |
| 17:43.15 | karlpinc | jhutchins_wk: Right. |
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| 17:46.19 | jhutchins_wk | ,versions openssl |
| 17:46.20 | judd | Package: openssl on i386 -- lenny: 0.9.8g-15+lenny13; lenny-proposed-updates: 0.9.8g-15+lenny16; lenny-security: 0.9.8g-15+lenny16; lenny-backports: 0.9.8o-4squeeze4~bpo50+1; squeeze: 0.9.8o-4squeeze7; squeeze-security: 0.9.8o-4squeeze7; sid: 1.0.0g-1; wheezy: 1.0.0g-1 |
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| 17:47.11 | medcezir | merhaba |
| 17:47.20 | medcezir | deneme |
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| 17:48.07 | medcezir | hp veer ile deniyorum |
| 17:48.17 | medcezir | sanirim oldu |
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| 17:49.42 | jhutchins_wk | karlpinc: I can confirm that it's available in sid. |
| 17:51.41 | jhutchins_wk | karlpinc: The redhat branch has removed it due to patent concerns. |
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| 17:52.53 | tyaakow1 | Hello, people... I have an issue with SHV5 rootkit on my server... |
| 17:53.05 | tyaakow1 | I need help reinstalling coreutils. |
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| 17:53.13 | tyaakow1 | forcing it.. |
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| 17:55.46 | cro1 | How can I generate a Contents-amd64 without having to use a full blown tool like reprepro? |
| 17:56.05 | cro1 | How can I generate a Contents-amd64 without having to use a full blown tool like reprepro? |
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| 17:59.49 | cro1 | How can I generate a Contents-amd64 without having to use a full blown tool like reprepro? |
| 18:00.01 | jhutchins_wk | tyaakow1: If you've been rooted there isn't any part of the system you can trust. You need to format the drive and start from scratch. |
| 18:00.03 | cro1 | There must be any kind of standalone tool?! |
| 18:00.38 | cro1 | tyaakow1: ... and do not connect your system to the internet unless |
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| 18:00.49 | cro1 | you know how they have intruded |
| 18:01.15 | cro1 | you can use the debian from BD or DVD + Update DVDs |
| 18:01.29 | cro1 | just use another computer for work and internet |
| 18:01.41 | cro1 | * absolutely * safe :) |
| 18:02.05 | cro1 | and Debian is the only distro offering a BD afaik |
| 18:02.29 | cro1 | I recommend not to use proprietary software at all |
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| 18:02.52 | cro1 | they have intruded via prop. sw multiple times at me: java, skype, acroread, etc. |
| 18:03.14 | Iridos | there's a factoid that might or might not suit your needs |
| 18:03.31 | Iridos | dpkg, tell cro1 about dpkg-scanpackages |
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| 18:04.24 | Iridos | what interesting behavior when the factoid becomes too long together with the usual blubb at the beginning |
| 18:04.35 | cro1 | Does dpkg-scanpackages in deed create a Contents-amd64 for apt-file? |
| 18:04.47 | Iridos | I have no idea |
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| 18:05.09 | alesan | hi what is a very simple program that can be used to show a png file, without dependencies? |
| 18:05.10 | jhutchins_wk | cro1: The problem is that you can't trust any tools you install after the breach. |
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| 18:05.52 | jhutchins_wk | cro1: Unless you prepared for this with something like tripwire and can verify that every binary on your system has NOT been modified you really need to start from a reformatted drive. |
| 18:05.55 | cro1 | install from scratch with an sha512 verified BD, I have suggested. |
| 18:06.05 | alesan | what is a BD? |
| 18:06.13 | cro1 | blue-ray |
| 18:06.20 | cro1 | BD DL ~ 40GB |
| 18:06.34 | cro1 | ideal to replace 8 DVDs + 2 Update DVDs |
| 18:07.10 | cro1 | I have just ordered a BD-DL/RE IDE drive for 55€ |
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| 18:07.29 | Eninem | IDE |
| 18:07.39 | cro1 | yes; for an old notebook. |
| 18:07.55 | cro1 | like this one here ;) |
| 18:08.01 | Eninem | hehe cool |
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| 18:10.19 | cro1 | Iridos: Is there also a tool like dpkg-scanpackages to create a Contents-amd64 like dpkg-scanpackages for creating the contents.gz? |
| 18:10.33 | cro1 | Contens-amd64 is for apt-file |
| 18:10.49 | cro1 | .. but not inlcuded in the DVD version |
| 18:10.59 | cro1 | just wanna generate this file on my own |
| 18:11.16 | cro1 | without having to use something like reprepro or apt-ftparchive |
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| 18:11.49 | cro1 | What program do reprepro and apt-ftparchive call to create this file? |
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| 18:12.43 | flo` | hi |
| 18:12.51 | MRCracker | hi all, when i run update-initramfs -u says:FATAL: Could not load /lib/modules/3.2.2/modules.dep: No such file or directory |
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| 18:13.30 | MRCracker | how i can remove this? this is form my old compiled kernel |
| 18:13.31 | flo` | my debian laptop is getting slower and slower. i've not installed anything, but upgraded regularly. top shows a huge load average of 4 (short time, when the system is almost unusable) |
| 18:13.42 | flo` | whan can be the reason for this? hardware failure? |
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| 18:15.08 | somiaj | flo`: sure you don't have some application that is just getting slower and slower running in the background? CAn you figure out what process are slowing you down, or is it read/write speed to your hard disk? |
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| 18:16.00 | flo` | the system boots slower than usual, it takes forever for the desktop to appear and also firefox is dead slow. |
| 18:16.19 | cro1 | defrag by cp? |
| 18:16.26 | flo` | when i login via ssh, then i sometimes have to wait 5 seconds for the shell to be started |
| 18:16.28 | cro1 | strange. |
| 18:16.32 | somiaj | flo`: how full is your harddrive? is it ove 85-90% full? |
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| 18:17.22 | flo` | somiaj, whoa, yep. 25GB used, 2GB free |
| 18:17.53 | gnarface | flo`: slow ssh auth can be something as simple as you forgot to define "localhost" or the system's hostname in your /etc/hosts, and/or missing valid DNS.... the firefox problem doesn't follow though.... |
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| 18:18.23 | flo` | well, the 97% used may be the problem, right? |
| 18:18.53 | karlpinc | flo`: You could use "vmstat 5" to monitor how much the cpu is waiting on the disk. |
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| 18:19.21 | flo` | karlpinc, how do i interpret the output? |
| 18:19.59 | karlpinc | flo`: The "wa" column is how much more cpu you would have used if the disk was fast enough. |
| 18:20.00 | cro1 | .. or simply put the kde system monitoring taskbar plugin on your desktop (the o n |
| 18:20.12 | cro1 | with the bar chart |
| 18:20.25 | flo` | wtf |
| 18:20.28 | cro1 | swap, cpu/disk, mem usage |
| 18:20.42 | cro1 | do you use kde? |
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| 18:20.57 | cro1 | there is a nice system monitoring plugin for your taskbar |
| 18:21.01 | flo` | WTF |
| 18:21.13 | flo` | i have "wa" values of around 70% right now! |
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| 18:21.23 | gnarface | hmm |
| 18:21.25 | flo` | and mount.ntfs /dev/sda1 is reading from disk like hell |
| 18:21.28 | gnarface | mine says "0" |
| 18:21.39 | cro1 | I always use it just to see if a task has been finished or why my computer is slow |
| 18:21.44 | karlpinc | flo`: Then something's doing io. is it swapping? |
| 18:22.01 | somiaj | flo`: if your hard drive gets to full it has trouble keeping itself defraged, how much ram do you have and what desktop enviorment do you use? |
| 18:22.04 | cro1 | but there exist multiple such plugins for every desktop |
| 18:22.04 | flo` | nope. lots of RAM free |
| 18:22.12 | gnarface | would be checking PS for hung instances of firefox or vlc |
| 18:22.14 | cro1 | disable swap? |
| 18:22.19 | karlpinc | flo`: Well, that's a blessing. :) |
| 18:22.21 | cro1 | sometimes helps very well |
| 18:22.25 | flo` | and now, that mount.ntfs thingy is done, and wa is at "0" |
| 18:22.29 | flo` | the system is idle |
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| 18:22.57 | cro1 | if you have too much disk space resrved for swap it may swap out without a real reason I fear. |
| 18:23.04 | gnarface | cro1: yea but disabling swap sometimes also CAUSES this problem |
| 18:23.10 | flo` | i'm using XFCE, btw. the machine should NOT be overloaded by the desktop ;) |
| 18:23.20 | karlpinc | cro1: Disabling swap is usually a bad idea. The system does not swap for no reason. It swaps to make the best use of ram. |
| 18:23.21 | gnarface | cro1: no, that's farcical |
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| 18:23.29 | flo` | i'd be interested in what ntfs.mount is doing there :/ |
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| 18:23.34 | cro1 | disbaling swap prevents any kind of crash induced by page thrashing |
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| 18:23.44 | somiaj | swap should not be used unless you actually need it. Yes linux likes to use your ram as cache, but it won't use your swap for disk cache (that would only slow things down) |
| 18:23.51 | gnarface | flo`: question, do you need that ntfs mount to auto-mount on boot? |
| 18:23.54 | cro1 | I like it and always do it whenever it is possible and appropriate |
| 18:23.58 | flo` | there are no crashes. only slowness |
| 18:24.04 | somiaj | flo`: did you plug in some usb drive or do you have a ntfs partition? |
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| 18:24.52 | flo` | gnarface, well, good question. it's my parent's laptop i installed debian on (because windows was even slower, and debian fast at first), and they wanted their "old" windows-home... i guess its unneeded now... |
| 18:24.57 | karlpinc | flo`: You could do an "aptitude clean" and empty the apt package cache to recover a bit of space. |
| 18:25.01 | flo` | somiaj, no usb drive, but a ntfs partition |
| 18:25.11 | cro1 | (page thrashing in deed just produces severe slowness sometimes effectively bringing you machine down) |
| 18:25.20 | somiaj | flo`: do you have that ntfs partition mounted by default at boot up? (check /etc/fstab) |
| 18:25.34 | flo` | no i have a better solution for getting free disk space -_- clear the trash... |
| 18:25.38 | gnarface | cro1: no, then you just kill it patiently. also, eliminating swap doesn't stop that - it just makes shit crash instantly instead. *NOT* a win. |
| 18:25.39 | karlpinc | cro1: Yes, and without swap it would crash hard instead. |
| 18:25.48 | flo` | i just saw, .local/Trash takes 14GB. |
| 18:26.22 | somiaj | flo`: it almost seems as if maybe the ntfs filesystem has some issues and mount / ntfs tools are taking extra long writing to that partition lagging thigns down at boot up and when your running stuff. Where do you have that ntfs partition mounted? |
| 18:26.23 | gnarface | hah |
| 18:26.24 | Daskreech | Hi I have a deb from the repos that seems to be empty. Is there anyway that I can ignore it for a while? |
| 18:26.28 | karlpinc | wonders if there's a word for people who just can't keep their hands off the knobs. |
| 18:27.04 | flo` | karlpinc, ? |
| 18:27.09 | somiaj | Daskreech: what do you mean by seems to be empty? Is this a .deb package you downloaded or a deb line in sources.list |
| 18:27.29 | flo` | somiaj, its mounted to /mnt/windows |
| 18:27.33 | karlpinc | flo`: just a thought, not directed at you. |
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| 18:28.02 | Daskreech | somiaj, it's from the repos. It can't be unpacked and has no pre or post install scripts |
| 18:28.14 | somiaj | Daskreech: which repo, which package? |
| 18:28.29 | karlpinc | Daskreech: And how do you know it's empty? |
| 18:28.53 | somiaj | flo`: well one thing I would try is to comment out the automount of /mnt/windows by default from /etc/fstab |
| 18:29.04 | flo` | yep, will do that |
| 18:29.09 | flo` | after emptying the trash |
| 18:29.12 | somiaj | flo`: also do you have any home dirs linked into /mnt/windows (you said your parents still wanted their windows-home. |
| 18:29.49 | karlpinc | flo`: You could also try unmounting it and seeing if there's an fsck you can do on it. (I don't know ntfs, so can't say how good an idea this is.) |
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| 18:30.39 | flo` | no linking stuff from /home to /mnt |
| 18:30.50 | flo` | yeah, a windows-fsck might help as well |
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| 18:31.06 | flo` | okay, i'll try freeing disk space and unmounting the ntfs thingy |
| 18:31.14 | flo` | should be faster then, right :D? |
| 18:31.23 | gnarface | wonders if flo` has a memory-leaking wine version auto-starting a bunch of windows programs on boot |
| 18:32.01 | elm | no one knows of a tool for creating Contents-arch files? |
| 18:32.13 | flo` | gnarface, nope. i do have wine, and it is memory-leaking, but only if started by hand. |
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| 18:32.42 | gnarface | flo`: fyi 1.4 is out, and the worst leaks were actually a by-product of a now-old version of nvidia drivers |
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| 18:33.03 | Daskreech | karlpinc, I don't. I said it seems to be empty. Can't get any info out of it and it's like 9k |
| 18:33.15 | flo` | no nvidia drivers. and wine is not a problem, as it's used almost never |
| 18:33.27 | Daskreech | somiaj, vpnc and I tried two other repos and get the same error |
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| 18:34.09 | somiaj | 10:28 < somiaj> Daskreech: which repo, which package? |
| 18:34.26 | Daskreech | Ah Right |
| 18:34.30 | Daskreech | HOld on |
| 18:34.36 | somiaj | also what debian version |
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| 18:34.44 | hoelzel | hi |
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| 18:35.07 | somiaj | Daskreech: put the output of 'apt-cache policy vpnc' on a pastebin, that may contain useful info |
| 18:35.24 | karlpinc | Daskreech: I just did a download and got 80K. |
| 18:35.34 | Daskreech | vpnc_0.5.3r521-1.deb |
| 18:35.37 | dioz | whistles |
| 18:35.40 | dioz | a whole 80K |
| 18:35.53 | hoelzel | im using ssh tunnels the typical way, now im running x11vnc on localhost and when i connect through the tunnel, x11vnc tells me: 09/03/2012 16:48:22 denying client: 86.59.12.155 does not match 127.0.0.1 |
| 18:35.53 | Eninem | 80k dps! |
| 18:36.11 | Daskreech | This would be unstable repo I think let me paste bin apt-cache policy |
| 18:36.12 | dioz | 80KM/h |
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| 18:36.47 | jelly-home | that's over 9000 |
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| 18:36.53 | hoelzel | does ssh use the external interface when tunneling? if so, how an i set that to localhost so im able to connect to local x11vnc? |
| 18:37.24 | jelly-home | hoelzel: you're either not connecting through the tunnel, or the tunnel is misconfigured |
| 18:37.33 | jhutchins_wk | hoelzel: I would think you'd have to tell the vnc server to listen on localhost. |
| 18:37.46 | jelly-home | hoelzel: what is the exact ssh command you're using? |
| 18:38.36 | hoelzel | well, im starting 'x11vnc -listen localhost' (in screen) and then i connect to that machine via 'ssh -L 5900:localhost:5900 machine' and then i get the error |
| 18:39.26 | jelly-home | hoelzel: on the client machine you need to connect to vnc server at localhost:0 (or just :0) |
| 18:39.40 | jelly-home | hoelzel: are you doing that? |
| 18:39.40 | hoelzel | im connecting with local vnc client to 127.0.0.1:5900 |
| 18:39.53 | gnarface | hoelzel: wait did you just say you start the tunnel AFTER you start x11vnc? |
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| 18:40.02 | jelly-home | gnarface: that's not important |
| 18:40.22 | gnarface | jelly-home: i can't imagine how... |
| 18:40.24 | hoelzel | gnarface: i tried both ways |
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| 18:41.06 | jelly-home | gnarface: no connections are established until a client really connects |
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| 18:41.20 | hoelzel | i tried starting x11vnc after connecting to the machine via ssh and opening the tunnel, and the other way round starting x11vnc and after that connecting via ssh |
| 18:41.51 | jelly-home | hoelzel: alright. Does "telnet 127.0.0.1 5900" on the client show anything? |
| 18:42.06 | gnarface | hoelzel: just out of curiosity, have tried sending anything else down the tunnel and been successful? i like netcat |
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| 18:43.31 | hoelzel | so i imagine ssh tunnel is using eth0 to connect to localhost? |
| 18:43.45 | hoelzel | when i do telnet on the port: |
| 18:43.45 | hoelzel | Trying 127.0.0.1... |
| 18:43.45 | hoelzel | Connected to localhost. |
| 18:43.45 | hoelzel | Escape character is '^]'. |
| 18:43.45 | hoelzel | RFB 003.008 |
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| 18:43.53 | gnarface | rolls his eyes |
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| 18:43.56 | Iridos | !next |
| 18:43.56 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
| 18:44.04 | jelly-home | hoelzel: so it apparently works |
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| 18:44.48 | jelly-home | hoelzel: and x11vnc complains the connection is somehow coming from a real IP, to that? |
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| 18:46.31 | Daskreech | somiaj, http://pastebin.com/XiZRE8dp |
| 18:46.41 | karlpinc | jelly-home: We need to get his viewer command, but is he here? |
| 18:47.00 | jelly-home | hoelzel: disconnect, and pastebin the output of "ssh -v -L 5900:localhost:5900 machine", please |
| 18:47.01 | jelly-home | !paste |
| 18:47.02 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ http://paste.pocoo.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>, <lodgeit.py>. |
| 18:47.08 | somiaj | Daskreech: why are you mixing stable and unstable, your problems are probabaly all related to that. |
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| 18:47.30 | Daskreech | somiaj, Indeed ^_^ but can I remove that package ? |
| 18:47.33 | jelly-home | karlpinc: if Tab works, the user is here! <g> |
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| 18:48.06 | jelly-home | also, xchat has mouseover highlighting for nicknames present in the channel |
| 18:48.12 | somiaj | Daskreech: really we can be of no help if you mix debian versions. Do not mix unstable packages with stable. There could be lots of unstable things installed messing with your system. |
| 18:48.12 | Daskreech | Hmm I wonder if I can just specifiy the stable package |
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| 18:49.17 | Iridos | Daskreech, the question is more... why do you find it difficult to remove it |
| 18:49.53 | Daskreech | dpkg: warning: files list file for package `vpnc' missing, assuming package has no files currently installed. |
| 18:49.53 | dpkg | You are person #1 to send an unparseable request, Daskreech |
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| 18:50.04 | Daskreech | Sorry dpkg |
| 18:50.43 | jelly-home | ,versions vpnc |
| 18:50.44 | judd | Package: vpnc on i386 -- lenny: 0.5.1r334-1; squeeze: 0.5.3r449-2.1; sid: 0.5.3r512-1; wheezy: 0.5.3r512-1 |
| 18:51.13 | jelly-home | ooh, newer vpnc |
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| 18:51.35 | kevlarman | am i the only one who wishes ^that was in chronological instead of alphabetical order? |
| 18:52.13 | jelly-home | kevlarman: I'll send you the source code, you send back patches. |
| 18:52.29 | kevlarman | what is it in? :P |
| 18:52.37 | jelly-home | python |
| 18:52.44 | kevlarman | i can live with that |
| 18:52.57 | Iridos | huh, what's in alphabetical order? |
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| 18:53.21 | Daskreech | Iridos, the list of distro releases |
| 18:53.35 | kevlarman | wheezy and sid are swapped |
| 18:53.35 | Iridos | because q comes before i? |
| 18:54.14 | Iridos | judd, versions inkscape |
| 18:54.15 | judd | Package: inkscape on i386 -- lenny: 0.46-2.lenny2; squeeze: 0.47.0-2+b1; sid: 0.48.1-2.2; wheezy: 0.48.1-2.2 |
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| 18:54.25 | Iridos | hm, first time I see that |
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| 18:56.14 | somiaj | Daskreech: your issue again is you are mixing stable and unstable, how knows what else will go wrong. 'aptitude search ~S~i~Aunstable' -- that should show you all the packages you have installed from unstable (or packages that have the same version in both unstable and stable) |
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| 18:56.38 | somiaj | Daskreech: I would decide if you want to run stable or unstable and try to get to using only that version |
| 18:57.50 | kevlarman | is there a way to get apt-get/aptitude download everything that it would upgrade with aptitude upgrade but not actually attempt an upgrade? |
| 18:58.00 | Daskreech | --download-only ? |
| 18:58.21 | hoelzel | jelly-home: debug1: Connection to port 5900 forwarding to localhost port 5900 requested. |
| 18:58.24 | hoelzel | debug1: channel 3: new [direct-tcpip] |
| 18:58.29 | kevlarman | how did i manage to miss that one? O_o |
| 18:58.38 | Daskreech | haha! solved it :) |
| 18:59.12 | jelly-home | hoelzel: I wanted to see the whole thing. |
| 18:59.19 | Iridos | kevlarman, there's also --print-uris if you want to wget stuff instead |
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| 19:00.23 | jelly-home | hoelzel: please don't be selective more than requested, it makes for more round trips and makes it less fun to help. |
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| 19:01.21 | Buglouse | Familiar ?? E: Couldn't configure pre-depend multiarch-support for libgcc1, probably a dependency cycle. apt-get will not proceed. |
| 19:02.07 | jelly-home | Buglouse: this channel cannot really support testing and unstable |
| 19:02.55 | jelly-home | Buglouse: which command resulted in that output, and do you have the whole output? |
| 19:03.01 | Buglouse | I've tried using stable repos. |
| 19:03.25 | jelly-home | Buglouse: which Debian release do you have installed? |
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| 19:04.52 | hoelzel | jelly-home: http://paste.debian.net/159154/ |
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| 19:05.52 | hoelzel | jelly-home: sorry, just wanted to show the stuff what is different when everything works |
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| 19:07.18 | jelly-home | hoelzel: just for fun, what do "grep localhost /etc/hosts" and "getent hosts localhost" on the remote machine say? |
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| 19:07.53 | jelly-home | the only thing I can think of is somehow "localhost" being resolved to the real ip for some reason |
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| 19:13.36 | Whiskey | http://ftp.br.debian.org/debian/pool/main/s/swig2.0/swig_2.0.4-5_amd64.deb |
| 19:13.49 | Whiskey | why don´t apt-get find that one? |
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| 19:14.08 | ompaul | ,versions swig |
| 19:14.09 | judd | Package: swig on i386 -- lenny: 1.3.36-1; squeeze: 1.3.40-3; squeeze-backports: 2.0.4-5~bpo60+1; sid: 2.0.4-5; wheezy: 2.0.4-5 |
| 19:14.41 | jelly-home | !tell Whiskey about bdo |
| 19:14.41 | ompaul | Whiskey: apt-get update && apt-get install swig |
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| 19:15.46 | Whiskey | naaa |
| 19:15.49 | Whiskey | it dont install it |
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| 19:16.52 | ompaul | Whiskey: pastebin in http://paste.debian.net /etc/apt/sources.list please |
| 19:17.13 | Whiskey | i try to add that backport |
| 19:17.36 | Whiskey | it says deb not found |
| 19:19.26 | cusco | hi |
| 19:19.57 | cusco | I have a tmpfs mounted on /ramdrive and df is reporting 94% in use. So I removed two big files from there... |
| 19:20.04 | cusco | how long until df updates? |
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| 19:21.03 | ompaul | cusco: you asked on oftc let's leave it there mostly the same people help on both channels |
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| 19:21.52 | hetOrakel | hi, |
| 19:22.16 | Whiskey | How do i add it? |
| 19:22.17 | jelly-home | cusco: it updates immediately. |
| 19:22.31 | Whiskey | It wont let me |
| 19:22.39 | ompaul | jelly-home: it's answered elsewhere |
| 19:22.41 | hetOrakel | i'm suddenly getting cron mails that my find -delete is not supported. Now i looked at my find binary in /usr/bin and it has strange owner...... > -rwxr-xr-x 1 300 dip 59536 Apr 3 2008 find |
| 19:22.55 | hetOrakel | i am root but can't take bake ownership, what is wrong? |
| 19:22.59 | cusco | jelly-home: ok the files were still open |
| 19:23.00 | cusco | gah |
| 19:23.01 | cusco | thanks |
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| 19:23.15 | hetOrakel | uhh bake=back |
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| 19:23.22 | jelly-home | ompaul: ack! |
| 19:24.12 | Whiskey | kk |
| 19:24.14 | Whiskey | got it in |
| 19:24.19 | Whiskey | but it still install swig 1.3.x |
| 19:24.49 | hetOrakel | top md5sum pstree and find have these strange unkown owner 300 |
| 19:24.50 | gnarface | Whiskey: -t squeeze-backports? |
| 19:25.03 | Whiskey | whats that? |
| 19:25.20 | jelly-home | Whiskey: have you read the instructions on how to use the backports? |
| 19:25.26 | ompaul | Whiskey: that is because in your /etc/apt/sources.list which you wouldn't post we would have seen what it was you were pointing to lenny sid squeeze etc ... but as you didn't tell us we couldn't tell you what was wrong |
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| 19:25.40 | gnarface | Whiskey: you can pass a flag to apt-get that specifies a debian version |
| 19:25.49 | ompaul | Whiskey: and backports will help |
| 19:26.00 | ompaul | if you must run newer stuff |
| 19:26.36 | Whiskey | don´t udnerstand |
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| 19:26.48 | gnarface | Whiskey: just read the instructions |
| 19:26.53 | gnarface | dpkg tell Whiskey about backports |
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| 19:27.07 | s7r | URGENT how can i decrypt a password from password field ? i have the internet connection password saved in my router (html wizard) and i need to change the router |
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| 19:27.16 | s7r | how to i read the old password i lost the contract |
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| 19:27.39 | Whiskey | http://codepad.org/a0EZHTHZ |
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| 19:27.40 | rypervenche | s7r: Reset the router and it will have no password on it. |
| 19:27.42 | Whiskey | there is the list |
| 19:27.57 | s7r | lol |
| 19:28.00 | s7r | i need to revoer that password |
| 19:28.12 | s7r | recover* |
| 19:28.35 | Iridos | rypervenche, I think he means the password for his ISP |
| 19:28.38 | gnarface | s7r: no practical recovery method. you can generate a new one and replace it though if you have root access |
| 19:28.50 | jelly-home | s7r: in general, there is no way. |
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| 19:28.56 | Iridos | I don't see how that is in any way related to debian, though |
| 19:29.26 | Whiskey | lol |
| 19:29.30 | s7r | i use debian |
| 19:29.33 | s7r | that is how is related |
| 19:29.39 | rypervenche | headdesks. |
| 19:29.41 | jelly-home | s7r: is the router running debian? |
| 19:29.45 | s7r | no |
| 19:29.49 | jelly-home | well then |
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| 19:29.58 | Whiskey | How har can it be to install a stupid package |
| 19:30.00 | s7r | the router doesn't run because it doesn't have any legs |
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| 19:30.53 | gnarface | Whiskey: did you try apt-get install [packagename]/squeeze-backports ? |
| 19:31.06 | jelly-home | s7r: if you can dump the configuration, the password might be stored in cleartext somewhere in there. Ask in ##hardware if there's anyone with experience with that particular model. |
| 19:31.35 | gnarface | Whiskey: alternately apt-get -t squeeze-backports [package name] works too |
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| 19:32.11 | gnarface | Whiskey: http://backports-master.debian.org/Instructions/ it would do you some good to read the instructions. we didn't encourage that to throw you off the trail |
| 19:32.30 | Whiskey | that workd just fine |
| 19:32.30 | Whiskey | thx |
| 19:32.50 | gnarface | Whiskey: next time LISTEN! |
| 19:32.56 | Whiskey | well i did |
| 19:33.00 | gnarface | badly |
| 19:33.00 | Whiskey | i prob missed somee part :/ |
| 19:33.13 | gnarface | yea you missed it 3 times |
| 19:33.23 | Whiskey | but the |
| 19:33.36 | Whiskey | deb http://backports.debian.org/debian-backports squeeze-backports main does that not work whit sudo |
| 19:33.41 | Whiskey | io did it whit |
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| 19:34.06 | Whiskey | echo "deb http://backports.debian.org/debian-backports squeeze-backports main" >> /etc/apt/sources.list as su |
| 19:34.51 | gnarface | Whiskey: you would have had to have sudo installed, that doesn't matter. |
| 19:35.09 | Whiskey | well i hade |
| 19:35.10 | Whiskey | strange |
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| 19:35.17 | gnarface | Whiskey: you would have also had to be in the sudo group |
| 19:35.32 | Whiskey | wlll for sure i am as i use the cmd all the time |
| 19:36.26 | gnarface | shrugs |
| 19:37.00 | Buglouse | jelly-home: removing testing from sources resolved issue. |
| 19:37.09 | tristezo2k1 | usermod -a -G sudo <user> |
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| 19:38.44 | Buglouse | Argument supporting a temporary disable of a specified branch (testing/stable) or particular host for apt? |
| 19:38.46 | Whiskey | well its a leator problem |
| 19:38.47 | Whiskey | thx |
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| 19:39.47 | jelly-home | Buglouse: that didn't really answer my question, though. Knowing your installed release can affect the answers. |
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| 19:40.37 | Buglouse | 6.0.4 |
| 19:40.43 | jelly-home | Buglouse: in particular, mixing "stable" with anything else is a bad idea |
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| 19:41.18 | jelly-home | Buglouse: what are you trying to achieve with <Buglouse> Argument supporting a temporary disable of a specified branch (testing/stable) or particular host for apt? |
| 19:41.30 | Buglouse | preferences |
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| 19:43.53 | jelly-home | apologies. Parsing your terse verbless queries untenable. |
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| 19:45.30 | cardiel | is postfix running chrooted by default in debian squeeze? |
| 19:45.54 | jelly-home | cardiel: yes. |
| 19:46.04 | jelly-home | most of the services are chrooted |
| 19:46.46 | jelly-home | unattainable*? undoable. |
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| 19:48.30 | cardiel | jelly-home: ok thx |
| 19:50.20 | Woet | how do i re-arrange sda/sdb/sdc/sdd? |
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| 19:51.28 | Woet | currently i have the SSD on sda and sdc and the SATA on sdb and sdd |
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| 19:51.37 | Woet | i want it to be sda/sdb for the SSD and sdc/sdd for the SATA |
| 19:51.46 | Buglouse | Woet: udev |
| 19:51.46 | Woet | I already changed the order in the BIOS but that doesn't make a difference |
| 19:52.02 | Woet | Buglouse: how does that solve my issue again? |
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| 19:52.47 | gnarface | Woet: its probably easier to just mount by UUID than whatever it is you're trying to do |
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| 19:52.52 | dvs | Woet: As Buglouse said, the only way to control the device names like that you need to create udev rules. |
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| 19:53.21 | Woet | dvs / gnarface / Buglouse: this is for an automated system that reinstalls servers with a static preseed, so I can't use udev as they differ from device to device |
| 19:53.44 | gnarface | Woet: then you can use partition labels instead - they will not |
| 19:53.50 | WriTEonlY | I have Debian Squeeze installed a dns-323 NAS. I somehow have lost sshd on startup, and only have samba access to this machine. Is there a file I can modify to force sshd to boot on the next startup that doesn't require updates-rc? |
| 19:53.56 | Woet | gnarface: and that works with preseed on lenny? |
| 19:53.59 | Buglouse | It alone does not; I say the word efficiency and not much changes, I read and apply the knowledge acquired .. *Everything* |
| 19:54.07 | gnarface | Woet: fuck if i know, lenny is deprecated |
| 19:54.27 | Woet | gnarface: well, it should support lenny and hence I want the solution to re-ordering sda/sdb/sdc/sdd |
| 19:54.34 | gnarface | Woet: fyi all current lenny users are strongly encouraged to upgrade to squeeze |
| 19:54.42 | Woet | gnarface: not my choice unfortunately. |
| 19:54.51 | gnarface | Woet: that said, it'll probably work, i just can't personally guarantee it |
| 19:55.15 | Woet | gnarface: i appreciate the alternatives, but surely there is a way to re-order sda/sdb/sdc/sdd? |
| 19:55.27 | Woet | is it hard coded to go primary master, secondary master, primary slave, secondary slave? |
| 19:55.32 | Woet | because then i'll just move the bays around |
| 19:55.34 | gnarface | Woet: yep. that's the first thing you were told - but you'll need to learn how to manually configure udev, and that's a scary thing few of us know |
| 19:55.46 | dvs | agrees |
| 19:56.33 | gnarface | Woet: partition labels are a feature since ... DOS... and the ability to mount via label in fstab i think went back to like ... sarge at least. honestly though i haven't actually tried using it myself till squeeze and later |
| 19:56.35 | Buglouse | conducted few udev configurations, just as easy as reading and writing .. :/ |
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| 19:56.56 | Woet | okay, so i'll assume it's hard coded to use primary master/secondary master etc |
| 19:56.59 | Woet | swapping the bays around, brb. |
| 19:57.01 | fasta | I have a really weird problem: I have 0 bytes free. Then I delete a 0.5GB file and then I still don't have any free space. |
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| 19:57.13 | Buglouse | fasta: Bytes != Bits |
| 19:57.21 | valdyn | Woet: theres a hard order, but that order depends on the kernel version and the boot device can skip the order to sda |
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| 19:57.53 | gnarface | fasta: probably that means there are pending writes still in ram/swap. keep deleting stuff |
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| 19:57.55 | Buglouse | valdyn: No, Its a physical location order.. *Geez* |
| 19:58.02 | valdyn | Buglouse: no its not |
| 19:58.11 | fasta | gnarface: how can I see those? |
| 19:58.19 | fasta | gnarface: I don't really expect this to happen. |
| 19:58.22 | gnarface | fasta: i dunno. ... iotop? |
| 19:58.37 | valdyn | Buglouse: its only in some special cases, which might apply to Woet or might not |
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| 19:59.15 | MrKeuner | hello, a deb file dependency saying libqtcore has to be greater than 4.7.0 but actually can be compiled fine with 4.6.2. Is there a way to fix this in the deb control file without recreating the debian package? |
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| 19:59.31 | WriTEonlY | Is there somewhere I could find a way to modify a file on a server so that on next reboot it starts a program? Without running a binary afterwards that is |
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| 20:00.03 | WriTEonlY | My NAS is nearbricked, only have samba access to it |
| 20:00.07 | valdyn | WriTEonlY: tell us exactly what you are trying to do |
| 20:00.14 | WriTEonlY | I want to start sshd |
| 20:00.23 | WriTEonlY | Unsure why it went away honestlyu |
| 20:01.04 | valdyn | WriTEonlY: you can start sshd from /etc/rc.local |
| 20:01.04 | Woet | WriTEonlY: /etc/rc.local, /usr/sbin/sshd |
| 20:01.32 | WriTEonlY | Does that require update-rc? |
| 20:01.33 | MrKeuner | I have extracted the deb file and the control.tar.gz in it edited the control file and recreated the control.tar.gz, should I be using tar gz again for creating the deb file? |
| 20:01.34 | jelly-home | MrKeuner: no. You will have to rebuild from the source to fix it, since the contents are _already_ linked against 4.7.0+ and its symbols, structures and the rest of its ABI |
| 20:01.46 | Woet | dvs / gnarface / Buglouse: changing it physically did the trick, thanks. if I would have another option I wouldn't have specifically asked for this issue |
| 20:01.49 | Woet | WriTEonlY: no, just a reboot |
| 20:02.05 | WriTEonlY | Woet ok one moment |
| 20:02.23 | gnarface | Woet: the problem just comes that the bios ordering isn't as static as you'd think. |
| 20:02.31 | gnarface | Woet: not always, at least |
| 20:02.32 | WriTEonlY | Should I create the rc.local? |
| 20:02.37 | Woet | gnarface: been static for 2 years on 400+ servers |
| 20:02.47 | MrKeuner | jelly-home, what is the easiest way to create a deb file, i won't be distributing it, i will only use it to install on my system |
| 20:03.04 | MrKeuner | jelly-home, i don't want to do make install |
| 20:03.19 | gnarface | Woet: yea but some of us do things like add/enable extra IDE devices... and then if you're just mounting by /dev/whatever it'll go right to hell |
| 20:03.23 | kevlarman | MrKeuner: download the source package |
| 20:03.36 | valdyn | Woet: at some point it was officially decided that users cant rely on device names. So though it works often it can bite you anytime. |
| 20:03.39 | Woet | gnarface: i doubt someone will add an extra IDE device on their dedicated server in our datacenter :) |
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| 20:03.44 | Whiskey | lol |
| 20:03.47 | gnarface | Woet: also kernel versions *have* changed this stuff in the past... |
| 20:03.51 | jelly-home | MrKeuner: eh. /msg dpkg package rebuild |
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| 20:05.09 | gnarface | had a board with 4 ide ports on 2 devices - all enabled, and a kernel update changed their boot order with no extra bios changes |
| 20:05.27 | jelly-home | MrKeuner: if you really want to mess with the binary package though, you can: dpkg --extract foo.deb somedir && dpkg --control foo.deb somedir, then carefully edit the contents of somedir/DEBIAN/control and friends, and put it back together with a simple "dpkg -b somedir ." |
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| 20:06.17 | reklipz | Hi all. I'm having issues setting LD_LIBRARY_PATH and LD_PRELOAD in my ~/.profile |
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| 20:07.49 | valdyn | !issues |
| 20:07.50 | dpkg | Yep, got 'em. |
| 20:08.03 | gnarface | haha |
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| 20:08.28 | jelly-home | !ask |
| 20:08.28 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 20:08.35 | jelly-home | is a bit nicer perhaps |
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| 20:09.00 | reklipz | Okay, let me rephrase this. When I set LD_LIBRARY_PATH and LD_PRELOAD in ~/.profile; they don't persist. |
| 20:09.07 | reklipz | As in, it has no effect. |
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| 20:09.26 | valdyn | reklipz: how do you set them, where *exactly* are they not set later |
| 20:09.29 | reklipz | I'm well aware of the "can I ask to ask?". I just assumed my wording was enough; my apologies. |
| 20:09.39 | fasta | gnarface: I think something else is going on. I already moved multiple times the size of /tmp and memory combined. |
| 20:09.39 | gnarface | reklipz: just a sanity check here - you're aware you have to re-source (or just log out and log in) to load that ~/.profile right? it doesn't happen in realtime |
| 20:09.40 | reklipz | export LD_LIBRARY_PATH="blah" |
| 20:09.49 | reklipz | gnarface: yes I am aware. |
| 20:09.57 | reklipz | .bash_profile sources .profile |
| 20:10.09 | fasta | How can I see to which file the kernel is writing _right_ now? |
| 20:10.19 | kevlarman | reklipz: did you check that LD_LIBRARY_PATH is set to what you think it is? |
| 20:10.40 | valdyn | fasta: this is hard to track for the kernel |
| 20:10.42 | gnarface | fasta: most common causes of this type of problem are a live server running a verbose logging service on a partition with not enough space/not enough log rotation - (apache logs do this all the time on poorly configured servers or ones that are under attack) |
| 20:10.53 | reklipz | kevlarman: can you elaborate? I don't understand the question. I checked LD_LIBRARY_PATH, and it is not set to what I told it to be. |
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| 20:11.30 | gnarface | fasta: there is a program called 'fuser' you should read the man page - it will tell you how to figure out what processes/users are accessing what ports/files at the moment |
| 20:11.31 | valdyn | reklipz: you didnt tell us where exactly it is not set later |
| 20:11.39 | Iridos | reklipz, WHAT did you do to load .profile anew |
| 20:11.51 | reklipz | Iridos: I restarted the machine. |
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| 20:12.05 | reklipz | valdyn: I am checking in gnome-terminal after signing via gdm3 |
| 20:12.08 | Iridos | that's a bit extreme, but should work :) |
| 20:12.12 | reklipz | Iridos: indeed, :) |
| 20:12.20 | mithrop | hi here |
| 20:12.28 | reklipz | I first relogged; but it wasn't changing, so I rebooted. |
| 20:12.31 | reklipz | still no effect. |
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| 20:12.37 | reklipz | it's like they are being unset by something. |
| 20:12.41 | valdyn | reklipz: ok, check the difference between a gnome-terminal as you started it and one where you source your .profile or bash_profile manually |
| 20:12.50 | reklipz | .profile is sourced; I touched a file in the script and it.. was touched |
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| 20:13.00 | MrKeuner | jelly-home, great thanks |
| 20:13.22 | pikaro | hi! i'm trying to add a script to a dependency-based boot with default settings (nothing crucial), but update-rc.d tells me it is missing Required-Stop and Default-Stop. i know the policy about those has changed, but well, my file has them. what's going wrong here? |
| 20:13.23 | reklipz | sourcing .profile or .bash_profile in a fresh terminal works |
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| 20:14.03 | reklipz | I setup my PATH in .profile as well, and that survives. |
| 20:14.14 | valdyn | reklipz: are you aware that your gnome-terminal is probably not a login shell and your *profile files are only used by login shells? |
| 20:14.34 | reklipz | valdyn: I have .bash_profile source .profile |
| 20:14.47 | valdyn | reklipz: bash_profile is *also* only read by login shells |
| 20:14.57 | reklipz | I don't believe that is the case. |
| 20:14.58 | mithrop | I need a little help. I have a test server.. Other developpers in my team install some packets. But I'm afraid one developer use apt-get and the other use aptitude. How can I check this ? |
| 20:15.06 | valdyn | reklipz: i *know* this is the case |
| 20:15.15 | gnarface | mithrop: it won't really matter |
| 20:15.17 | valdyn | reklipz: please verify the login shell in gnome-terminals configuration |
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| 20:17.06 | mithrop | gnarface: oh ok. But some people say that using apt-get and aptitude simultaneously can lead to some problems. |
| 20:17.12 | reklipz | valdyn: sorry, you are correct, .bash_profile is only sourced on login. I login to gnome; my PATH is setup properly, all of my other scripts from .bash_profile are sourced properly. |
| 20:17.30 | valdyn | reklipz: no, your a little mistaken |
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| 20:17.40 | reklipz | gnome-terminal, regardless of whether or not it is executed as a login shell, should inherit those environment variables. |
| 20:17.46 | valdyn | reklipz: no |
| 20:17.46 | pm83 | salve!! |
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| 20:18.16 | reklipz | valdyn: I'm referring to the fact that they are in .profile... |
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| 20:18.26 | valdyn | reklipz: yea, but X login does not work that way |
| 20:18.27 | reklipz | .bash_profile _only_ sources .profile, and .bashrc |
| 20:18.30 | nsadmin | reklipz, all you have to do is man bash and look for FILES section |
| 20:18.34 | pm83 | !lista |
| 20:18.36 | valdyn | reklipz: so how do you log into X |
| 20:18.41 | lwizardl | everytime my distro has updates installed my headphone jack stops working and then I have to reinstall the driver package. is there a way to make a autorun script that after apt-get upgrade finishes it runs the driver package reinstall |
| 20:18.56 | reklipz | I log in via the gnome face launcher, GDM |
| 20:19.08 | reklipz | X is running as root, I believe. |
| 20:19.08 | valdyn | reklipz: then GDM is your login shell |
| 20:19.26 | valdyn | reklipz: your .profile or .bash_profile are not used at all |
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| 20:19.45 | valdyn | reklipz: the PATH comes from /etc/gdm/gdm.conf iirc |
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| 20:20.05 | reklipz | valdyn: then explain how my scripts are being run? |
| 20:20.08 | gnarface | mithrop: well if you're paranoid just uninstall one, or don't let your users recklessly install shit... |
| 20:20.08 | reklipz | I move to tty1 |
| 20:20.17 | Whiskey | look at this code http://codepad.org/V6S8e1hk, noread yourch |
| 20:20.24 | Whiskey | is when i type yes or no i guss, |
| 20:20.27 | valdyn | reklipz: I dont know anything about your scripts |
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| 20:20.33 | valdyn | reklipz: what im saying is all in the debian faq |
| 20:20.53 | gnarface | mithrop: in answer to your actual (really creepy) question you can easily see what programs other people have run by tailing their ~/.bash_history files as root or just hammering on ps aux --forest |
| 20:20.53 | valdyn | !wikifaq reklipz DotFiles |
| 20:20.53 | dpkg | reklipz: check out http://wiki.debian.org/DotFiles or if that doesn't work, try http://wiki.debian.org/ |
| 20:21.18 | reklipz | valdyn: I'm apparently missing something then. You're saying that GDM is not sourcing .profile or .bash_profile, or anything else, yes? |
| 20:21.28 | valdyn | reklipz: correct |
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| 20:21.40 | Whiskey | ...... |
| 20:21.41 | Spec | If I wanted to send stderr to a program only if it fails, is there a better way to do it other than: OUTPUT=$(failing_cmd 2>&1) || ./some_processing <<< ${OUTPUT} |
| 20:21.44 | valdyn | reklipz: see the faq, theres a workaround when you use a custom .xsession |
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| 20:22.05 | reklipz | valdyn: Okay. So, how do I determine if gnome-terminal is running as a login shell? I believe it is not. |
| 20:22.06 | mithrop | gnarface: eh eh :) Ok ^^ thank you very much :) Don't be afraid by my question. I am a student and actually discovering the administration of a Debian server ;) |
| 20:22.13 | gnarface | Spec: uh... what's wrong with that? it looks pretty slick |
| 20:22.18 | valdyn | reklipz: its configurable in its gui |
| 20:22.21 | fasta | I have one tool which says I have >20GB free (baobab) and one (df -h) which says nothing is free. |
| 20:22.37 | Spec | gnarface: I just never know when I hit a bash pitfall ;) |
| 20:22.38 | valdyn | reklipz: easy enough to find, i just cant do that myself right now, i dont have your gnome-terminal |
| 20:22.39 | reklipz | So, in the "Title and Command" there is a checkbox under "Command" that says: "Run command as a login shell". It is unchecked. |
| 20:22.45 | ruif13 | hi, i'm tryng to do sensors-detect in debian 6 and appears ' warning: script 'K01lm_sensors' missing LSB tags and overrides' anyone can help? |
| 20:22.48 | reklipz | I assume that is the option. |
| 20:22.48 | valdyn | reklipz: thats it |
| 20:23.04 | valdyn | reklipz: you can run "who" before and after openinga gnome-terminal |
| 20:23.13 | Spec | ruif13: you can either ignore that, or fixd the init script /etc/init.d/lm_sensors, check out /etc/init.d/skeleton for examples |
| 20:23.19 | valdyn | reklipz: login shells will increase the number of users listed |
| 20:23.25 | reklipz | Now then. Can you explain how .profile (and/or .bash_profile) are being executed if neither GDM nor gnome-terminal are executing them? |
| 20:23.43 | valdyn | reklipz: not at all? |
| 20:23.47 | jhutchins_wk | reklipz: Not all shells use the same rc files. |
| 20:23.54 | gnarface | Spec: good bash skills will make you very powerful. in the Microsoft world people regularly pay 200$/seat on licenses for software that effectively does what a 10-line bash shell script can do |
| 20:24.05 | ruif13 | thanks Spec but appears lm_sensor not found :( |
| 20:24.06 | ruif13 | insserv: script lm_sensors is not an executable regular file, skipped! |
| 20:24.06 | Spec | gnarface: hehe, i've used bash for over ten years :p |
| 20:24.20 | Spec | ruif13: oh, it must be called something else: do this: ls -l /etc/rc*/K01lm_sensors |
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| 20:24.27 | reklipz | valdyn: I don't understand the question. |
| 20:24.52 | valdyn | reklipz: its not a question |
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| 20:24.58 | reklipz | Oh. I saw a question mark. |
| 20:25.00 | jhutchins_wk | I'm curious, I didn't get any errors from lm_sensors on squeeze. |
| 20:25.08 | valdyn | reklipz: rethorical, sorry |
| 20:25.10 | gnarface | Spec: i'm sorry then i completely took your question out of context. fyi there's a #bash channel here on freenode i believe. they may have some advice on alternate methods ... i admit that command you pasted taught me stuff i didn't know |
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| 20:25.24 | ruif13 | http://pastebin.com/sJL6YwTL |
| 20:25.28 | ruif13 | Spec : http://pastebin.com/sJL6YwTL |
| 20:25.29 | reklipz | valdyn: no worries. My point is, I believe that GDM is sourcing .profile. |
| 20:25.38 | Spec | gnarface: ...ugh, i thought I was in #bash, sorry all :-/ |
| 20:25.40 | valdyn | reklipz: ok, but it is not, please see the faq |
| 20:25.55 | Spec | ruif13: need -l to see symlink path |
| 20:25.57 | reklipz | valdyn: this faq: http://wiki.debian.org/DotFiles? |
| 20:26.03 | valdyn | reklipz: yes |
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| 20:26.34 | jhutchins_wk | ruif13: What kernel are you running? |
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| 20:27.09 | reklipz | valdyn: Okay, reading. Are you claiming then that GDM (graphical login) works differently than a textual login? |
| 20:27.10 | ruif13 | Linux toshiba 2.6.32-5-amd64 #1 SMP Mon Jan 16 16:22:28 UTC 2012 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
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| 20:27.31 | valdyn | reklipz: its just not bash |
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| 20:27.44 | valdyn | reklipz: every program works differently when used as a login shell |
| 20:28.00 | nsadmin | it doesn't read any of those dotfiles |
| 20:28.06 | reklipz | valdyn: Yes, sorry. Obviously it is "working differently", but I meant in terms of the end effect. |
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| 20:28.16 | reklipz | valdyn: Okay, let's switch to the tty login case then. |
| 20:28.21 | ruif13 | ok i remove installation and reeinstallit |
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| 20:28.26 | reklipz | let me check the behavior there first. |
| 20:28.29 | nsadmin | to which end effect do you refer? |
| 20:28.42 | superuser_ir | how to set passwd for users |
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| 20:28.49 | reklipz | :) -- works. |
| 20:28.56 | Spec | So, anyone know any potential negatives running a subshell from cron? |
| 20:29.02 | reklipz | valdyn: nsadmin: et. al: thank you for your wisdom. :) |
| 20:29.13 | valdyn | reklipz: its probably wrong to say that gdm is the login shell ( which I did ), but that doesnt change anything for your case |
| 20:29.39 | nsadmin | reklipz, remember... man bash, FILES section to see what gets read under what condition |
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| 20:30.08 | fasta | Is there a program like baobab which has less bugs? |
| 20:30.14 | reklipz | nsadmin: Thank you. This goes back to valdyn's note that GDM is not a "login shell" apparently. afk a few minutes. |
| 20:30.14 | fasta | For example a kde variant? |
| 20:30.31 | superuser_ir | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:30.32 | valdyn | fasta: conrjobs are not run concurrently, you could block cron |
| 20:30.50 | valdyn | fasta: but if you detach it, then its really linked to cron anymore |
| 20:30.54 | nsadmin | superuser_ir, do you mean how would a user set his own password? |
| 20:30.57 | valdyn | fasta: but if you detach it, then its really *not* linked to cron anymore |
| 20:30.58 | fasta | valdyn: huh? |
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| 20:31.16 | fasta | valdyn: are you sure you want to talk to me? |
| 20:31.31 | superuser_ir | nsadmin: no,root set user passwd |
| 20:31.38 | valdyn | fasta: oops |
| 20:31.48 | nsadmin | one, man passwd |
| 20:31.58 | nsadmin | two, wait for it.... |
| 20:32.05 | ruif13 | when i finish the sensors-detect |
| 20:32.06 | ruif13 | Do you want to overwrite /etc/sysconfig/lm_sensors? (YES/no): yes |
| 20:32.06 | ruif13 | Copy prog/init/lm_sensors.init to /etc/init.d/lm_sensors |
| 20:32.06 | ruif13 | for initialization at boot time. |
| 20:32.06 | ruif13 | You should now start the lm_sensors service to load the required |
| 20:32.06 | ruif13 | kernel modules. |
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| 20:32.22 | nsadmin | passwd username |
| 20:32.26 | dvs | superuser_ir: How do you (re)set the root password? |
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| 20:32.42 | ruif13 | sorry |
| 20:32.49 | ruif13 | when i finish de sensors-detect |
| 20:32.50 | ruif13 | http://pastebin.com/WRNVGuX4 |
| 20:32.57 | superuser_ir | nsadmin :no how do u root reset users passwd |
| 20:33.04 | nsadmin | passwd username |
| 20:33.12 | WriTEonlY | Woet - I modified my rc.local file to include "/usr/sbin/sshd" "exit 0" and then power cycled the NAS, however I did not get a sshd.pid in /var/run |
| 20:33.14 | fasta | Is there really no good way to see where all the space went? |
| 20:33.32 | fasta | I even restarted my computer to rule out open files. |
| 20:33.40 | ompaul | du -h | less |
| 20:33.42 | nsadmin | if you're not believing me, no probglem, go back to |
| 20:33.45 | nsadmin | one, man passwd |
| 20:34.01 | valdyn | fasta: du | sort -n |
| 20:34.31 | nsadmin | btw, not believing about a command and going to the man page is a GOOD thing |
| 20:35.08 | nsadmin | you get to learn 5 or 6 or 7 new things along the way |
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| 20:35.29 | Woet | WriTEonlY: then it failed to start, check /var/log |
| 20:35.36 | superuser_ir | nsadmin:tanx |
| 20:35.46 | nsadmin | guns |
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| 20:39.39 | reklipz | Okay, back. So, the original probleim: I am using Fake Xinerama, and I need X to load the custom libXinerama.so. |
| 20:39.51 | jhutchins_wk | Why is WriTEonlY using rc.local instead of init to start sshd? |
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| 20:40.15 | reklipz | I have placed libXinerama somewhere in my $HOME. I was attempting to use LD_PRELOAD/LD_LIBRARY_PATH to force the X process to use this libXinerama.so. |
| 20:41.19 | jelly-home | jhutchins_wk: embedded arm system, init script is already failing for some unknown reason |
| 20:41.37 | Iridos | reklipz, mmh, and you used startx to start it? I'm actually not sure if you're allowed LD_PRELOAD on suid binaries |
| 20:41.53 | reklipz | Iridos: I did not; it was started via GDM |
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| 20:42.24 | Iridos | reklipz, so how would your setting in $HOME/.profile or the like affect gdm? |
| 20:42.29 | reklipz | I think the only option is to replace the /usr/lib/libXinerama.so, or to modify root's environ. |
| 20:42.41 | reklipz | Iridos: it would not, I was being naive and following directions. |
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| 20:43.18 | ruif13 | hi again, anyone have lm_sensors working? |
| 20:43.23 | ruif13 | jn debian 6 |
| 20:43.28 | Iridos | reklipz, why don't you replace /usr/lib/libXinerama.so from the package with yours |
| 20:43.29 | ruif13 | *in |
| 20:43.32 | kevlarman | reklipz: root's environment isn't involved |
| 20:43.38 | Iridos | if you want to do it properly, package it... |
| 20:43.45 | jelly-home | or dpkg-divert |
| 20:43.45 | reklipz | kevlarman: s/root/the user who starts X/ |
| 20:43.56 | kevlarman | reklipz: exactly, X is suid root |
| 20:44.10 | kevlarman | which causes ld.so to ignore LD_PRELOAD/LD_LIBRARY path |
| 20:44.17 | WriTEonlY | Woet - there is no /var/log for sshd that I can see |
| 20:44.28 | reklipz | Oh, I see. This is mostly new territory for me, sorry for my ignorance, :/. |
| 20:44.28 | Woet | WriTEonlY: messages/syslog/secure |
| 20:44.39 | Iridos | kevlarman, ha, thank you. I wasn't sure but thought it would be quite an oversight if it didnt :) |
| 20:44.48 | jhutchins_wk | WriTEonlY: sshd logs to the auth log, detail is configurable in sshd_conf |
| 20:44.55 | kevlarman | Iridos: yes that would be pretty silly |
| 20:45.19 | reklipz | Iridos: so, to have this work with *dm, I need to replace libXinerama.so actual. |
| 20:45.30 | jhutchins_wk | WriTEonlY: Sorry, /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
| 20:45.40 | kevlarman | Iridos: it also unsets them in case the process has any children |
| 20:46.08 | superuser_ir | what say this error? |
| 20:46.34 | superuser_ir | what is this error http://pastebin.com/ZkUy29xa |
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| 20:47.44 | jhutchins_wk | superuser_ir: It says you can never go home again. |
| 20:48.16 | superuser_ir | jhutchins_wk: why? |
| 20:48.18 | reklipz | <reklipz> So, to have this work with *dm, I need to replace libXinerama.so actual. -- Am I correct in that understanding? |
| 20:48.29 | kevlarman | reklipz: yup |
| 20:48.33 | thewanderer1 | jhutchins_wk, note the interesting, almost exotic, error message... it's not bash, is it? |
| 20:48.47 | kevlarman | reklipz: although i generally avoid xinerama like the plague |
| 20:48.55 | jhutchins_wk | superuser_ir: It doesn't say. |
| 20:49.03 | kevlarman | even if you don't need fast 3d, it causes a lot of wasted cpu with all the copies |
| 20:49.10 | reklipz | For a triple headed with a single X screen, it's pretty much a necessity, unfortunately. |
| 20:49.15 | jhutchins_wk | superuser_ir: Either you have not included the reason or there is somethnig odd about your shell. |
| 20:49.18 | kevlarman | reklipz: um no it isn't |
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| 20:49.35 | kevlarman | it's pretty easy to do with xrandr |
| 20:49.39 | reklipz | kevlarman: Oh? Perhaps the fact that I'm using NVIDIA propreitary driver makes it so, then? |
| 20:49.56 | kevlarman | reklipz: someone mentioned xrandr working even on the nvidia driver |
| 20:49.56 | jhutchins_wk | kevlarman: I think xrandr uses xinerama |
| 20:50.02 | kevlarman | jhutchins_wk: um no |
| 20:50.08 | reklipz | kevlarman: please, enlighten me. this is exciting. |
| 20:50.26 | valdyn | xrandr is just a configuration system, its not doing anything |
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| 20:50.53 | WriTEonlY | Woet jhutchins - last sshd log was exiting on signal 15 2 hours ago when i rebooted the server, also when sshd stopped funcitoning |
| 20:50.57 | kevlarman | reklipz: i've never done it on nvidia hardware, but if it works, it would basically be kill off xinerama (and twinview), then use xrandr --output whatever --right-of whatever |
| 20:51.22 | kevlarman | reklipz: then you can write the monitor sections to xorg.conf to make it permanent |
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| 20:51.50 | jhutchins_wk | WriTEonlY: You can try increasing the logging level in the config file and starting it manually. |
| 20:51.57 | valdyn | kevlarman: so far that does only get you multi-head but not xineramas feature to merge heads |
| 20:52.21 | kevlarman | valdyn: to what? |
| 20:52.23 | reklipz | XStrikeForce -- nice. |
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| 20:52.45 | valdyn | kevlarman: xinerama doesnt do multi-head, it merges an existing multi-head setup to a single X screen |
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| 20:52.57 | kevlarman | valdyn: so does xrandr |
| 20:53.07 | kevlarman | valdyn: you just need to make sure you only have a single X screen |
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| 20:53.15 | valdyn | kevlarman: I see |
| 20:53.29 | valdyn | kevlarman: i dont get where you get there from just having 2 heads in xorg.conf |
| 20:53.41 | WriTEonlY | jhutchins i can't start it manually because i only have samba access to the server |
| 20:53.50 | kevlarman | valdyn: 1 screen, 2 monitor sections |
| 20:53.57 | valdyn | kevlarman: ok, neat |
| 20:53.58 | kevlarman | valdyn: i did it for ages on fglrx |
| 20:54.08 | kevlarman | the question is if nvidia's driver supports it |
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| 20:54.09 | valdyn | kevlarman: and you are sure that that doesnt use xinerama? |
| 20:54.16 | kevlarman | valdyn: yes |
| 20:54.16 | reklipz_ | and we're back. what'd I miss? |
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| 20:54.17 | valdyn | kevlarman: i see |
| 20:54.23 | WriTEonlY | jhutchins_wk However I assume I can update sshd_config to DEBUG level |
| 20:54.28 | kevlarman | valdyn: 3d performance difference is an order of magnitude there |
| 20:54.32 | kevlarman | maybe 2 |
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| 20:54.54 | reklipz_ | kevlarman: I'm having issues with the multiple pixmap rendering dropping performance; I hope it solves that too. |
| 20:55.08 | kevlarman | valdyn: same applies to all the open source drivers |
| 20:55.14 | kevlarman | nvidia's may or may not have issues |
| 20:55.14 | valdyn | kevlarman: i understand that instead of merging 2 screen with xinerama you just create only one accross 2 monitors in the first place |
| 20:55.26 | Buglouse | So I need to regenerate dpkg info |
| 20:55.28 | kevlarman | valdyn: it's not quite that simple |
| 20:55.29 | jhutchins_wk | WriTEonlY: Well, that certainly makes it interesting. |
| 20:55.33 | valdyn | kevlarman: ok |
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| 20:55.41 | kevlarman | valdyn: xinerama ends up copying pixel data from one screen to the other |
| 20:55.55 | kevlarman | sometimes even when it isn't needed |
| 20:55.57 | gnarface | are we talking about how to extend a desktop across 2 monitors using nvidia binary gunk drivers? the answer is TwinView (zless /usr/share/doc/nvidia-glx/README.txt.gz for details) |
| 20:55.58 | jhutchins_wk | WriTEonlY: How are you rebooting? |
| 20:56.06 | kevlarman | gnarface: 3 screens |
| 20:56.16 | gnarface | hmm. |
| 20:56.28 | jhutchins_wk | WriTEonlY: It's possible your changes are not getting written to the nvram. |
| 20:56.30 | gnarface | kevlarman: 3 screens on a 3-port video card, or using more than one video card? |
| 20:56.48 | kevlarman | gnarface: 3 port card i assume, ask reklipz |
| 20:56.58 | gnarface | thought only matrox made 3-port cards |
| 20:57.07 | kevlarman | gnarface: amd makes 6 port cards |
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| 20:57.13 | gnarface | wow |
| 20:57.19 | reklipz_ | gnarface: 3 screens; multiple X screens causes NVIDIA's Xinerama to "go to sleep". |
| 20:57.33 | reklipz_ | gnarface: kevlarman: two GPUs. |
| 20:57.41 | kevlarman | reklipz_: ah then you're screwed |
| 20:57.42 | WriTEonlY | jhutchins_wk It is a NAS I have installed debian squeeze on. I have it on my local network, and I have samba installed so some windows machines can interface with it. I rebooted it a few hours ago, and ssh went away, did a port scan and I only have 139 and 445 open. Samba is mapped with root so I can modify files on the system and i can power cycle the system. I am trying to get sshd or any |
| 20:57.43 | WriTEonlY | other method up so I can get the system accessable again |
| 20:57.55 | kevlarman | with 2 gpus xinerama is the only option |
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| 20:57.59 | reklipz_ | DisplayPort is doing some awesome things for AMD/ATI. :) six headed displays, etc. |
| 20:58.04 | gnarface | reklipz_: by nvidia's Xinerama you mean TwinView? i was under the impression that nvidia drivers replace xinerama with twinview... and don't actually support xinerama at all |
| 20:58.15 | reklipz_ | gnarface: That's true. |
| 20:58.26 | reklipz_ | gnarface: when you have 2 X screens, the driver turns that feature off. |
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| 20:58.38 | reklipz_ | aka, you can't use TwinView with X's Xinerama. |
| 20:58.40 | gnarface | reklipz_: well for whatever its worth twinview has no performance hit, unlike xinerama |
| 20:58.49 | WriTEonlY | jhutchins_wk and i suspect this is a rather rare situation ;) |
| 20:59.00 | reklipz_ | gnarface: yeah, TwinView is nice. |
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| 20:59.10 | kevlarman | reklipz_: xrandr is nicer |
| 20:59.28 | gnarface | just wishes SLI mode wasn't a feature nvidia openly mocks linux by not adding |
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| 20:59.45 | kevlarman | gnarface: you can always use crossfire :D |
| 20:59.55 | ruif13 | hi again i follow the tutorial http://www.pc-freak.net/blog/installing-lm-sensors-hardware-sensors-support-on-intelr-coretm-i7-cpu-on-debian-lenny-linux-to-track-your-system-hardware-temperature/ and have the same issues |
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| 20:59.57 | reklipz | gnarface: I don't know; I'm just stuck with NVIDIA cards at work; can't purchase new hardware. |
| 20:59.59 | ruif13 | anyone can help? |
| 21:00.44 | reklipz | I suppose I lied: you can use TwinView with X's Xinerama, but you can't get NVIDIA's driver (TwinView) to report the separate panels on the TwinView monitor in that mode. |
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| 21:01.19 | reklipz | the driver will only report it as one big display (via Xinerama's API), as opposed to the two it would do normally if it was the only X screen. |
| 21:01.33 | reklipz | That's where Fake Xinerama library comes into play; it allows you to configure that portion of Xinerama. |
| 21:01.42 | BernardV | reklipz: I know the guys at http://www.build4power.nl/ I've seen a dual Xeon with 6 nvidia in SLI at their office. Will ask them to run debian on it.. There is a linux "freak" there... If he can run in and comment it... |
| 21:02.23 | reklipz | interesting... I'm running a dual Xeon here. But only one PCIe port, otherwise I would SLI two like cards. |
| 21:02.36 | reklipz | Right now, I have a Quadro FX 4500 and a GeForce 6200 (PCI). |
| 21:02.55 | reklipz | I just wanted the third display, but Xinerama is _such_ a performance hit, I think I might toss it. |
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| 21:03.39 | reklipz | I could live with a separate X screen, but the proprietary driver doesn't use Xinerama to report two displays to clients (for window snapping) in that setup, and that's what I'm trying to resolve. |
| 21:03.47 | gnarface | doesn't even have a desk large enough for a third one of these monitors |
| 21:03.56 | reklipz | Turn them vertical, :). |
| 21:04.05 | gnarface | reklipz: they're CRT, lol |
| 21:04.10 | reklipz | Ah, nice. |
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| 21:04.22 | gnarface | they double as space heaters in the winter when its cold |
| 21:04.26 | reklipz | We had some 1600x1200 IBM P202's here for a while; they were SEXY. But HUGE and HEAVY and HOT. |
| 21:04.46 | BernardV | gnarface: iiyama? |
| 21:05.04 | gnarface | BernardV: nah just some old 21" viewsonic P815s |
| 21:05.05 | reklipz | I bought one at surplus for $10; they wanted it gone. It was a nice gaming monitor for a while, but alas, I got rid of it for the desk space. |
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| 21:05.35 | BernardV | I have an 15 years old 22" iiyama CRT.. it's still a good monitor.. |
| 21:05.44 | BernardV | I don't use it often, but... |
| 21:05.54 | gnarface | can't abide by LCD |
| 21:06.08 | reklipz | gnarface: get an OLED. |
| 21:06.08 | gnarface | plays too many twitch games |
| 21:06.16 | BernardV | Or a plasma ;) |
| 21:06.33 | reklipz | gnarface: hah, I use LCD all the time for gaming. You just have to be willing to drop some money for a good monitor. |
| 21:06.37 | gnarface | reklipz: yea but its kinda like... i could spend 2000$ on a suitable replacement, or i can just keep having the power supplies in these replaced every 2 years for 100$ a pop |
| 21:06.54 | BernardV | hehehehe |
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| 21:07.23 | BernardV | Or you can keep the room temp very constant |
| 21:07.43 | gnarface | yea.. that would be less of a problem if i lived further north |
| 21:07.44 | reklipz | haha, difficult to do with all that heat |
| 21:08.03 | BernardV | gnarface: Where do you live? |
| 21:08.13 | gnarface | BernardV: southern california, USA |
| 21:08.17 | BernardV | Ah ok :P |
| 21:08.34 | gnarface | BernardV: to add insult to injury nobody insulates buildings for shit down here |
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| 21:08.48 | Eninem | i wish they all could be california girrrlllsss |
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| 21:08.54 | reklipz | kevlarman: xrandr > TwinView/"Xinerana". you recommend I run that for the two monitors/single screen on the one card? |
| 21:09.10 | reklipz | s/screen/X screen/ |
| 21:09.15 | BernardV | lol @ gnarface |
| 21:09.40 | kevlarman | reklipz: i've never tried xrandr on nvidia's driver |
| 21:09.44 | kevlarman | it may or may not work |
| 21:09.45 | gnarface | would be rich as fuck if he could bottle and sell waste heat on the internet |
| 21:09.49 | kevlarman | twinview definitely will work |
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| 21:10.08 | BernardV | gnarface: I live in the Netherlands and keeping a "constant" temp here is doable.. in summer max temp is about 25C in winter -10C |
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| 21:10.25 | jelly-home | kevlarman: there is no xrandr with nvidia's driver. It exposes one screen to RandR at all times, and you can't do anything with it |
| 21:10.45 | kevlarman | jelly-home: i swear someone told me they had it working |
| 21:10.46 | jhutchins_wk | gnarface: Where is it that you are with such uninsulated buildings? |
| 21:10.47 | gnarface | checks google calc to see how much 25C is |
| 21:10.48 | kevlarman | for 2 monitors |
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| 21:11.04 | BernardV | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:11.04 | BernardV | 25 degrees Celsius = 77 degrees Fahrenheit |
| 21:11.12 | Woet | gnarface: time you use a proper system |
| 21:11.21 | jelly-home | kevlarman: yes, I have that working as well. But it's a single screen called "default" in xrandr. |
| 21:11.26 | jhutchins_wk | I'm pretty sure people do multihead on nvidia. |
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| 21:11.48 | reklipz | here we go again... :) |
| 21:11.58 | BernardV | jhutchins_wk: Yeah, I've done it on several nvidia cards |
| 21:12.15 | reklipz | multi-head !== xrandr |
| 21:12.28 | gnarface | jhutchins_wk: just LA man. 7 ghettos in search of a city |
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| 21:12.41 | BernardV | Indeed reklipz |
| 21:13.00 | jelly-home | reklipz: yeah but when I first saw that I was like wtf |
| 21:13.03 | jhutchins_wk | gnarface: Ah. |
| 21:13.07 | Woet | http://gregorious.hubpages.com/hub/metric_system_vs_imperial_system |
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| 21:13.22 | jhutchins_wk | BernardV: Tuesday here, 21C, wednesday: snow. |
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| 21:13.36 | jelly-home | reklipz: also "how does the wm know there are two outputs when xrandr does not" |
| 21:13.46 | BernardV | lol @ jhutchins_wk |
| 21:14.06 | reklipz | jelly-home: I'm not following what you're trying to say, but the WM knows via Xinerama. |
| 21:14.10 | gnarface | jhutchins_lt: those familar with the writings of Gibson would recognize it as "the sprawl" (though he slightly mis-prognosticated that it would be Atlanta, georgia) |
| 21:14.11 | kevlarman | jelly-home: actually i'm interested to find that one out myself |
| 21:14.11 | BernardV | jhutchins_wk: Atm about 6-7C |
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| 21:14.22 | jelly-home | kevlarman: xinerama! |
| 21:14.25 | jelly-home | whatever that is. |
| 21:14.27 | kevlarman | jelly-home: my wm is definitely aware of the 2 monitors with twinview |
| 21:14.53 | reklipz | Xinerama is dual fold: the protocol that does basically what xrandr does, and the bit that joins physical X screens into a logical one. |
| 21:14.58 | kevlarman | jelly-home: there is no xinerama set up though, that would turn my gtx560 into a paperweight as far as 3d goes |
| 21:14.58 | jelly-home | I put xineramascreen 2 into mplayer2's config, and voila, it outputs to the TV now |
| 21:15.21 | reklipz | "TwinView" uses the protocol part of Xinerama to convey that setup to the WM. |
| 21:15.34 | jelly-home | yay for parallel APIs |
| 21:15.44 | reklipz | TwinView will not be able to tell your WM that if you use the second part of Xinerama. |
| 21:15.57 | reklipz | (which by definition means triple headed setup_; |
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| 21:15.59 | gnarface | i heard Nvidia is finally fucking joined the Linux Foundation. i'm still just naive enough to hope that might mean SLI and proper hardware-accelerated Xinerama support could now one day come to linux |
| 21:16.03 | reklipz | s/_;/)/ |
| 21:16.12 | BernardV | Does any of you use DVB-C receivers? |
| 21:16.19 | jelly-home | they're working on RandR 1.2 |
| 21:16.28 | kevlarman | gnarface: basically they care about cuda working well |
| 21:16.36 | kevlarman | gnarface: desktop graphics aren't a huge deal |
| 21:16.48 | kevlarman | people buying entire racks of $800 graphics cards are |
| 21:16.53 | gnarface | kevlarman: and they should. i did that hack dll compilation to get cuda working in Rage... man my texture fill rate increased by like a billion fold |
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| 21:19.43 | Nik0s | hey guys |
| 21:19.56 | Nik0s | I just ran jnettop and a ping to a domain |
| 21:20.13 | gnarface | kevlarman: i still find it sadly ironic that such an important feature is not supported on linux yet, especially after seeing what it can do even through wine |
| 21:20.25 | Nik0s | and i noticed that my computer is connecting with a dns server every time ping sends a package |
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| 21:20.52 | jhutchins_wk | gnarface: Folks live in HB, brother in Santa Ana. They moved out there and I stayed in KC. |
| 21:20.54 | Nik0s | is that normal? cause doesnt it already know the ip of the domain the first time? |
| 21:21.13 | jelly-home | Nik0s: ping might not be written in a most optimal way. |
| 21:21.45 | reklipz | So, using this: http://home.kde.org/~seli/fakexinerama/ -- it pulls from ~/.fakexinerama. Which $HOME would that be for GDM? |
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| 21:21.57 | gnarface | jhutchins_wk: that's what we call "behind the Orange Curtain" ... its really quiet down there and i imagine their buildings are probably better insulated. you really should consider moving there :) |
| 21:22.16 | Nik0s | jelly can i resolve this by installing bind9? |
| 21:22.26 | Nik0s | and let ping get it from my own computer? |
| 21:22.34 | jhutchins_wk | gnarface: I have horses. For what I could keep one there I could buy a riding academy here. |
| 21:22.35 | Nik0s | and let bind9 cache it? |
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| 21:22.43 | reklipz | Nik0s: Ping should be already using the local DNS cache. |
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| 21:22.56 | Nik0s | and where is the local DNS cache? |
| 21:23.01 | Nik0s | and it is not doing that :p |
| 21:23.02 | gnarface | jhutchins_wk: ah the damned livestock. yea that's a really expensive pass-time here |
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| 21:23.28 | reklipz | Nik0s: ah, yes, bind... sorry. |
| 21:23.41 | ViolenKido | hi |
| 21:23.43 | gnarface | jhutchins_lt: sorry, KC = Kansas City?? |
| 21:23.46 | jelly-home | Nik0s: bind is probably overkill for a mere dns cache. unscd might be a lighter option |
| 21:23.47 | ViolenKido | !list |
| 21:23.48 | dpkg | VATTENE VIA! |
| 21:24.07 | reklipz | Nik0s: try adding the host to /etc/hosts and see if it still goes out |
| 21:24.24 | Nik0s | ok |
| 21:24.28 | pasky | Why oh why does package installation success in Debian depend on successfully starting the service? :( |
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| 21:25.05 | jelly-home | Nik0s: but yes, setting up a caching (and recursing) DNS server and pointing /etc/resolv.conf to it would prevent some of the duplicate lookups |
| 21:25.07 | Nik0s | reklipz do i need to restart something when change hosts? |
| 21:25.17 | gnarface | pasky: the question you should be asking is why does the service fail to start |
| 21:25.21 | Nik0s | changing* |
| 21:25.23 | reklipz | Nik0s: I don't believe so, I don't know. |
| 21:25.27 | Nik0s | ok |
| 21:25.33 | reklipz | might need to ifup/down? |
| 21:25.37 | pasky | gnarface: because I'm installing packages for new system in chroot |
| 21:25.38 | jelly-home | pasky: read about policy-rc.d |
| 21:25.55 | jhutchins_wk | gnarface: Yes. |
| 21:25.58 | pasky | so mysql in chroot will fail to start because the old msyql is running outside the chroot |
| 21:26.00 | reklipz | valdyn: http://home.kde.org/~seli/fakexinerama/ -- the library reads config from ~/.fakexinerama; which $HOME should I be placing that in? |
| 21:26.01 | gnarface | pasky: what package? one might suspect your chroot is broken |
| 21:26.05 | jelly-home | !tell pasky about policy-rc.d |
| 21:26.08 | gnarface | hmm |
| 21:26.30 | jhutchins_wk | pasky: 'cause that's how the installer is set up. |
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| 21:26.39 | jhutchins_wk | pasky: It's in the package. |
| 21:26.57 | Nik0s | reklipz after putting the ip in resolv.conf it doesnt connect with dns server anymore |
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| 21:27.13 | reklipz | Nik0s: resolv.conf, or /etc/hosts? |
| 21:27.14 | Nik0s | ho i mean hosts |
| 21:27.16 | reklipz | :) |
| 21:27.17 | jhutchins_wk | Nik0s: I hope you actually put it in hosts. |
| 21:27.17 | Nik0s | :) |
| 21:27.19 | reklipz | cool. |
| 21:27.23 | Nik0s | yes i did :p |
| 21:27.27 | kevlarman | gnarface: cuda does work on linux |
| 21:27.29 | pasky | jelly-home: seems awesome, thanks! |
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| 21:27.32 | jelly-home | pasky: or just configure the services to listen on different ip addresses (interfaces) |
| 21:27.53 | kevlarman | gnarface: that thing with wine is probably just a bunch of thunks to forward to the native library |
| 21:27.54 | pasky | jelly-home: i don't want to touch the outside system configuration at all |
| 21:27.54 | Nik0s | so should i install bind9 or something? |
| 21:28.02 | Nik0s | and is that easy to setup? |
| 21:28.05 | pasky | until i do the switch |
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| 21:28.26 | jhutchins_wk | Isn't there a caching resolver that's meant for desktops these days? |
| 21:28.32 | BernardV | Nik0s: Sorry just droping in.. bind9 for what? |
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| 21:28.40 | Nik0s | DNS cache |
| 21:28.51 | jelly-home | ,versions dnscache-run |
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| 21:28.53 | judd | Package: dnscache-run on i386 -- lenny: 1:1.05-4+lenny1; lenny-security: 1:1.05-4+lenny1; sid: 1:1.05-8; experimental: 1:1.05-9~exp1 |
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| 21:28.59 | jelly-home | eh |
| 21:29.07 | reklipz | so there you go; it looks like ping is calling gethostbyname()/getaddrinfo() for every packet. |
| 21:29.07 | jelly-home | ,versions unscd |
| 21:29.08 | judd | Package: unscd on i386 -- lenny-backports: 0.47-2~bpo50+1; squeeze: 0.47-2; sid: 0.48-2; wheezy: 0.48-2 |
| 21:29.09 | pasky | (BTW, about a week ago I've hit the same issue when I was preparing a fakeroot meant for booting over pxe - installing nfs-common package in the fakeroot ended up with very "interesting" effects) |
| 21:29.21 | pasky | erh |
| 21:29.24 | pasky | s/fakeroot/debootstrap/ |
| 21:29.27 | pasky | too long day, sorry :) |
| 21:29.27 | BernardV | Nik0s: I myself run a power DNS recursor.. and I love it |
| 21:29.36 | Nik0s | a what? :P |
| 21:29.49 | jelly-home | pdns_recursor is a bit of an overkill as well |
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| 21:30.11 | jelly-home | but hey... I'm running DJB's dnscache |
| 21:30.22 | BernardV | Nik0s: apt: pdns-recursor - PowerDNS recursor |
| 21:30.51 | gnarface | dnscache is super fucking useful if you don't/can't run your own DNS servers |
| 21:30.57 | BernardV | jelly-home: It's a bit of overkill.. maybe, but you can use it everywhere ;) |
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| 21:31.26 | gnarface | runs his own DNS servers and still sometimes uses dnscache |
| 21:31.26 | BernardV | I have my own VPN running on a DDWRT router and then I use my own recursor |
| 21:31.31 | jelly-home | Nik0s: if I was to set it up today, I'd try nscd, well, unscd, because glibc nscd is a bit buggy |
| 21:31.49 | BernardV | But you might be right jelly-home |
| 21:31.55 | reklipz | back in a few. |
| 21:31.59 | Nik0s | ok |
| 21:32.16 | jelly-home | that thing is supposed to integrate seamlessly with the resolver library |
| 21:32.19 | Nik0s | purging bind9 :P |
| 21:32.30 | Nik0s | bind9 is overkill for cache dns? |
| 21:32.50 | fasta | How can I split up an image of a harddisk up into multiple images (one for each partition)? |
| 21:32.53 | gnarface | Nik0s: many would say so, unless you plan on hosting your own public domains |
| 21:33.03 | jelly-home | Nik0s: for a single client? Yes. |
| 21:33.10 | gnarface | Nik0s: its fully capable of being configured as such though |
| 21:33.19 | Nik0s | ok |
| 21:33.31 | BernardV | gnarface: That's true.. I run my pdns on a server and on my home and office network I use that server as a resolver and dnscache |
| 21:33.34 | jelly-home | Its one-binary-does-all setup is annoying. |
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| 21:34.12 | Nik0s | hosting public domains, what do you mean with that? |
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| 21:34.48 | gnarface | Nik0s: say you want to buy Nik0s.com and make email to that domain go directly to the computer in your house, self-contained, no 3rd party services other than your ISP |
| 21:35.10 | Nik0s | i got an .nl domain :) |
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| 21:35.29 | Nik0s | and i maybe want to make a small mail server |
| 21:35.41 | Nik0s | but why would i need bind9 for that? |
| 21:35.42 | gnarface | Nik0s: or say you want to set up a webserver locally and also have the authoritative DNS server for that domain also be a computer 3 feet from your bed |
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| 21:35.49 | bitlord | Does debian installer graphical or console support installing on already configured LUKS(LVM()) setup without re-formating all partitions? |
| 21:36.03 | BernardV | Nik0s: Just give me your IP I'll give you my resolver and every domain you want will go to the ip you want it to :P |
| 21:36.22 | gnarface | Nik0s: its a question of what server is authoritative for the domain. believe it or not it doesn't have to be a machine under a 3rd party's control (as your ISP probably tried to mislead you into believing ) |
| 21:36.23 | Nik0s | huh what? |
| 21:36.59 | gnarface | Nik0s: "huh, what?" == you just should use dnscache |
| 21:37.08 | Nik0s | :S :P |
| 21:37.26 | Nik0s | i bought my domain somewhere |
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| 21:37.40 | Nik0s | what do you mean with 3rd party control? |
| 21:37.43 | fasta | Nik0s: there is a token associated with that. |
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| 21:37.48 | gnarface | Nik0s: no, not necessarily. registrar != authoritative server |
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| 21:38.00 | fasta | Nik0s: with that token you can create an authoritative server. |
| 21:38.08 | Nik0s | ok and what is my authoritative server? |
| 21:38.10 | gnarface | Nik0s: although that's a service most registrars upsell you on |
| 21:38.30 | Nik0s | my domain costs 1 EUR/y |
| 21:38.33 | gnarface | Nik0s: most regisrars these days provide you with an authoritative server of their own by default |
| 21:38.35 | somiaj | bitlord: afaik it should, just make sure you use expert mode. |
| 21:38.38 | Nik0s | ok |
| 21:38.42 | fasta | Nik0s: which registrar is that? |
| 21:38.43 | reklipz_ | ICANN is just for registering names |
| 21:38.46 | cardiel | i keep getting "Write failed: Broken pipe" from sshd after ive been idling a while on my server. is it possible to fix so it wont break the connection? |
| 21:38.47 | Nik0s | TransIP |
| 21:38.57 | Nik0s | well first year 1 EUR next year 4 EUR |
| 21:39.06 | fasta | Nik0s: for .com? |
| 21:39.10 | Nik0s | no ! :p |
| 21:39.11 | Nik0s | .nl |
| 21:39.18 | somiaj | bitlord: if it doesn't give you options in the installer, you can hit ctrl-alt f2 and set up the LVM manually, or just use a live cd with debootstrap and bypass the installer. |
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| 21:39.28 | BernardV | cardiel: I also had some of these a while ago.. not a SSH problem, but provider problem |
| 21:39.30 | gnarface | Nik0s: O'Reilly publishing company makes an *excellent* book on DNS&BIND if you want to take this up as an academic pursuit, but your questions suggest to me dnscache will waste far less of your time and do everything you care about |
| 21:39.30 | Nik0s | .com is for spammers |
| 21:39.31 | reklipz_ | I use http://www.zoneedit.com/ for my domains. |
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| 21:39.54 | BernardV | cardiel: Install "screen" and run everying inside screen.. if the connection terminates you can resume the session |
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| 21:40.06 | jelly-home | cardiel: a firewall in between is killing idle connections. man ssh_config, read about ServerAliveInterval |
| 21:40.09 | kevlarman | Nik0s: .com is for people with customers who don't know other tld's exist |
| 21:40.32 | kevlarman | (just about everyone) |
| 21:40.40 | bitlord | somiaj, I tried with alt+f2 ... (it was hard because I didn't know how and which "modules" to load, but when installed did that, I unlocked LUKS partition, activated LVM ... and then in installer it was visible, no problem, but later after install it will fail :( |
| 21:40.44 | Nik0s | well here in the netherlands everyone knows that .com is not the only one... |
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| 21:40.54 | BernardV | jelly-home: Could be, but a week ago I had these problems with my server, since a few days problems stopped |
| 21:40.56 | Nik0s | except people that dont know what .com is |
| 21:41.10 | somiaj | bitlord: Are you somewhat familar with the command line? |
| 21:41.31 | cardiel | BernardV: ok, i have screen installed , but i want to fix the problem instead of goin around it if possible |
| 21:41.32 | bitlord | somiaj, I think yes, but not with debian :( |
| 21:41.34 | BernardV | Nik0s: .com? |
| 21:41.42 | somiaj | bitlord: I'd use a live cd (with debootstrap on it) you can tell deboot strap to copy the base system directally onto the lvm partion you mounted |
| 21:41.44 | Nik0s | yes? |
| 21:41.55 | Posterdati | hi |
| 21:41.56 | BernardV | Nik0s: What is .com? |
| 21:42.01 | Nik0s | ok com |
| 21:42.03 | Nik0s | com. |
| 21:42.03 | somiaj | bitlord: from there you just need to chroot into the partition, and set up the LVM, kernel and grub so it boots. |
| 21:42.05 | reklipz_ | BernardV: you could use disown to disown the process as well. |
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| 21:42.13 | BernardV | reklipz_: True |
| 21:42.27 | Posterdati | please I've got problem upgrading a system from squeeze to wheezy: too many conflicts during dist-upgrade |
| 21:42.27 | Nik0s | tld `com.' right? :P |
| 21:42.31 | reklipz_ | BernardV: might be easier than screen, but you can't get reattach, obviously |
| 21:42.48 | cardiel | jelly-home: i have serveraliveinterval set to 6000 , but it doesnt help |
| 21:43.04 | bitlord | somiaj, but what about initrd image, support for LVM and LUKS? will it fail at boot just like with using ^^^ trick out of installer? |
| 21:43.31 | BernardV | cardiel: I can't fix the "broken pipe" problem.. That's like jelly-home said, could be a firewall problem, but also could be a provider problem etc etc |
| 21:43.49 | reklipz_ | kevlarman: jelly-home: BernardV: et al.: "fake xinerama" + NVIDIA proprietary/TwinView is working well. |
| 21:43.50 | bitlord | somiaj, would be nice to have that feature in debian installer :( |
| 21:44.13 | reklipz_ | I think it's "faster" too, as there are only two X screens (TwinView is a single one handle by the driver; so it's lightweight). |
| 21:44.22 | reklipz_ | (faster than three X screens with xinerama) |
| 21:44.31 | BernardV | reklipz_: Well you might be right... :P (don't like to say that... *kuch*) :P |
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| 21:44.39 | somiaj | bitlord: I don't use LVM so unsure what is needed additonally in the initrd image to get lvm to work |
| 21:44.49 | kevlarman | reklipz_: my preference for 3 monitor setups is an evergreen eyefinity card with the open source driver |
| 21:45.03 | cardiel | BernardV: ok too bad... ill have to live with it then thanx anyway |
| 21:45.06 | somiaj | bitlord: but once you have it installed from the install (or a livecd) you can chroot into your install and reconfigure everything to work, including the initrd image (the exact steps I don't know) |
| 21:45.25 | gnarface | kevlarman: you got a retail link for that hardware? i'm curious about the specs |
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| 21:45.38 | kevlarman | gnarface: it's not a particular card |
| 21:45.41 | bitlord | somiaj, also missing those steps :( (everything else is easy) |
| 21:45.55 | kevlarman | gnarface: just search your favorite store for eyefinity |
| 21:46.03 | kevlarman | you want 5xxx or 6xxx generation cards |
| 21:46.09 | BernardV | cardiel: you chould time the "broken pipe" events.. is it after 1 min, 2 min, 5 min etc.. |
| 21:46.12 | bitlord | somiaj, ok, thanks for the help, I'll try googling again :( |
| 21:46.15 | somiaj | bitlord: this is one of many reasons I don't use LVM (don't like the extra layer to get to my data) |
| 21:46.18 | reklipz_ | "AMD also introduced AMD Eyefinity Technology (previously ATI Eyefinity) in this GPU family - the ability to connect three to six displays to one graphics card." |
| 21:46.22 | kevlarman | (5xxx currently has slightly better driver support, but that woon't last) |
| 21:46.27 | BernardV | If you know facts you can search for a sollution |
| 21:46.29 | zero___ | hi, I'm looking for a "legendary" book like k&r or the dragonbook to give to a friend for his bday, does anyone have suggestions? |
| 21:46.36 | reklipz_ | I think they're using DP multihead/single cable stuff. |
| 21:46.45 | cardiel | BernardV: ok. i will try |
| 21:46.45 | kevlarman | reklipz_: nope |
| 21:46.47 | reklipz_ | Not quite the DualHead2Go, it's better. |
| 21:46.49 | cardiel | to fix it |
| 21:46.52 | reklipz_ | kevlarman: no? |
| 21:46.52 | kevlarman | reklipz_: they actually have that many outputs |
| 21:47.01 | jelly-home | BernardV: and for you, autossh |
| 21:47.03 | somiaj | bitlord: sorry I can't be of more help. check out irc.oftc.net they have a channel devoted to the debian installer, maybe they will have better advise |
| 21:47.16 | kevlarman | reklipz_: the thing is older cards (and non-eyefinity newer ones) can only drive 2 of their outputs at the same time |
| 21:47.19 | bitlord | somiaj, yes, but it's easy way to encrypt more partitions with one key (I know it's possible to tell cryptsetup to use same key for others, but this is nice for me EncryptedLVM) |
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| 21:47.20 | BernardV | jelly-home: Will look at it thnx.. |
| 21:47.24 | karlpinc | !tell zero___ about sicp |
| 21:47.26 | gnarface | kevlarman: a really difficult prospect honestly... all i get is a bunch of off-brand ATI/AMD cards. is that what this is? |
| 21:47.31 | kevlarman | reklipz_: eyefinity cards can drive every single output |
| 21:47.42 | reklipz_ | kevlarman: yeah, exactly. we're on the same page. |
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| 21:47.53 | jelly-home | BernardV: couple it with a conditional screen -r in shell rc files on the remote side for extra seamlessness |
| 21:47.54 | reklipz_ | older carts had two "CRTCs", newer cards have more. |
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| 21:47.58 | somiaj | bitlord: LVM is common, I'm sure there is a way. Lack of experience makes me only able to give generic advise. |
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| 21:48.16 | reklipz_ | I gotta run guys; nice discussion with you all. |
| 21:48.18 | BernardV | jelly-home: My main OS is OSX (just because I need some software not available on linux), but I will ook at it :) |
| 21:48.39 | kevlarman | gnarface: random example http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121442 |
| 21:48.45 | bitlord | somiaj, thanks, I'll ask there ;-) |
| 21:48.47 | BernardV | jelly-home: You make me feel like... :) That sounds great! |
| 21:49.18 | BernardV | cya reklipz_ |
| 21:49.25 | jelly-home | BernardV: ... a natural woman? |
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| 21:49.53 | gnarface | kevlarman: this is the only one i coudl find with eyefinity actually in the product description http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814129184 |
| 21:49.58 | gnarface | kevlarman: the one you linked doesn't have it |
| 21:50.19 | BernardV | jelly-home: Not realy, but you saying that gives me a fair look at your music taste ;) |
| 21:50.30 | kevlarman | gnarface: ah crappy search lied |
| 21:51.00 | gnarface | kevlarman: that's what i'm telling you... lots of misdirection out there. is the "eyefinity" part the fact this card has a whopping 6 outputs? (all some proprietary shit i've never seen before) |
| 21:51.32 | gnarface | though "displayport" was something for apple macintosh laptops that are thinner than a dvi plug |
| 21:51.41 | kevlarman | gnarface: the eyefinity part is that the card can use all of its outputs at the same time |
| 21:51.51 | gnarface | ah ok |
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| 21:51.55 | kevlarman | gnarface: no proprietary involved |
| 21:52.00 | gnarface | so basically you're telling me "use a new radeon card" |
| 21:52.04 | BernardV | gnarface: Displayport was not an apple invention, I was used before... |
| 21:52.21 | kevlarman | gnarface: if you want 3+ monitors, that's the best option in my experience |
| 21:52.22 | BernardV | /s/I/it/ |
| 21:52.37 | gnarface | kevlarman: noted. the "eyefinity" terminology just threw me off, that's all |
| 21:52.53 | kevlarman | gnarface: not all new amd cards are eyefinity though |
| 21:53.01 | gnarface | aah. again, noted |
| 21:53.49 | Nik0s | ok bind9 is now caching DNS |
| 21:54.11 | Nik0s | but when i use dig the authority sections is only showing the root-servers.net |
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| 21:54.58 | gnarface | Nik0s: why is that unexpected? your own dns server wouldn't be authoritative for any domains at all, even the ones you own ... not without further configuration at least (on both your end and the registrar's end, fyi) |
| 21:55.16 | gnarface | Nik0s: if you don't own any domains though that's not a problem |
| 21:55.50 | Nik0s | well... |
| 21:56.13 | Nik0s | when i used my ISP dns server it would give an authority and additional section |
| 21:56.28 | Nik0s | for example `dig debian.org' |
| 21:56.33 | BernardV | You can use the hosts file in the bind resolve. That means if you add something like "www.facebook.com 127.0.0.1" to your hosts it will use that to resolve facebook |
| 21:56.37 | gnarface | Nik0s: you really should look into that DNS&BIND book by O'Reilly. this isn't all that complicated but the questions you're asking suggest you have a greater interest in how this works than just practical knoweldge of how to get it working |
| 21:56.56 | Nik0s | yes thats right :P |
| 21:57.04 | BernardV | It's the other way around though for the ip/domain |
| 21:57.08 | Nik0s | but there are too many thinks that are interesting... |
| 21:57.16 | Nik0s | thinks = things -_- |
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| 21:57.17 | Nik0s | im tired |
| 21:57.41 | gnarface | Nik0s: http://shop.oreilly.com/product/9780596100575.do |
| 21:57.52 | Nik0s | ok thanks |
| 21:57.53 | Nik0s | :) |
| 21:58.04 | gnarface | Nik0s: read that book and you'll know everything there is to know about DNS |
| 21:58.08 | Nik0s | :P |
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| 21:58.24 | BernardV | Nik0s: If you like to test some of these things.. download virtualbox or so, go to howtoforge.com and test with the examples.. |
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| 21:59.03 | BernardV | Or just install a KVm kernel :) |
| 21:59.05 | Nik0s | i did this: http://www.sysnetref.com/configuring-bind9-cache-dns-server |
| 21:59.23 | Nik0s | and well i understand that you need to put 127.0.0.1 in resolv.conf |
| 21:59.33 | Nik0s | and that you need to put external dns server in forwarders |
| 21:59.37 | karlpinc | !tell Nik0s about rfc1034 |
| 21:59.55 | Nik0s | but i would then think that dig should give the same information as before i did this |
| 21:59.57 | Nik0s | isnt it? |
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| 22:00.36 | wynn | Is there a way to add metadata to files that I can then query off of? (e.g. SELECT 'title' FROM '/ebooks' WHERE metadata.genre = 'Mystery') |
| 22:00.48 | gnarface | Nik0s: not exactly sure what changed in your dig output but actually i would expect lots of stuff to change when querying your own caching server compared to an upstream server that is authoritative for a number of domains |
| 22:00.55 | BernardV | Nik0s: Did you just compy paste those config files? |
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| 22:01.06 | Nik0s | ofcourse not bernard :p |
| 22:01.08 | gnarface | Nik0s: the real question is - did anything break? if its working right... what's the problem? |
| 22:01.15 | BernardV | Nik0s: ok :P |
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| 22:01.41 | Nik0s | well wait a second im making a pastebin and also with former settings |
| 22:02.40 | Nik0s | this is with the new settings http://pastebin.com/s9WSEfBT |
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| 22:04.36 | Nik0s | former settings http://pastebin.com/eS4ZxrYR |
| 22:04.50 | Nik0s | well now i dont get any authority and addiotional sections :S |
| 22:05.42 | BernardV | Nik0s: On my pdsn resolver: http://pastebin.com/xM01K3eA |
| 22:05.56 | Nik0s | thats the same |
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| 22:06.26 | Nik0s | where are the authority and additional sections? |
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| 22:06.45 | BernardV | There are none.. |
| 22:06.47 | gnarface | Nik0s: they're gone because you're no longer using a DNS server that queries root servers directly for domains it doesn't know about |
| 22:07.03 | gnarface | Nik0s: how many times to i have to tell you to read the fucking DNS&BIND book before you take me seriously? |
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| 22:07.34 | Nik0s | yes yes i will read it when i have time :P |
| 22:07.35 | karlpinc | gnarface: (Or at least rfc1034.) |
| 22:07.47 | Nik0s | there is so much of linux i dont know... |
| 22:07.52 | Nik0s | :P |
| 22:07.53 | gnarface | Nik0s: the important take-away from this is that unless you're having trouble looking shit up... everything as far as we can tell looks normal.. you're good. go have a beer and stop being so damned OCD |
| 22:08.05 | Nik0s | what is OCD? |
| 22:08.13 | BernardV | karlpinc: _O_ |
| 22:08.17 | karlpinc | Nik0s: As it happens, none of what you're asking about is Linux specific. It's internet specific. |
| 22:08.19 | gnarface | dpkg, ocd? |
| 22:08.20 | dpkg | rumour has it, ocd is obsessive-compulsive disorder |
| 22:08.33 | Nik0s | but not bind9 karl :P |
| 22:08.54 | Nik0s | hehe lol :p |
| 22:09.01 | Nik0s | sorry not native english |
| 22:09.04 | gnarface | is there a channel for bind on freenode? |
| 22:09.25 | Nik0s | #bind |
| 22:09.39 | nsadmin | hmm... there ought to be; bind is fairly standard |
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| 22:09.55 | BernardV | gnarface: Maybe you can bind a node for free :) But no.. I don't think so... |
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| 22:10.34 | emilsedgh_ | hello everyone. i have two kernels installed on my other computer. i cannot boot into any of them. i get 'error: cannot read the linux header. and a few lines later: 'error: you need to load the kernel first'. anything i press takes me back to grub. i reinstalled grub using a debian disc but the same happens. i would appreciate any help |
| 22:10.35 | Nik0s | and gnarf, this has nothing to do with OCD... :P |
| 22:10.39 | Nik0s | thanks guys |
| 22:10.45 | gnarface | Nik0s: keep telling yourself that :-p |
| 22:11.03 | Nik0s | :) |
| 22:11.46 | gnarface | emilsedgh_: start at the beginning. start with what you broke first. |
| 22:12.01 | Nik0s | im going to sleep, see you later guys |
| 22:12.07 | Nik0s | and thanks for helping |
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| 22:13.03 | nsadmin | gnarface, maybe he needs to do the equiv of update-grub |
| 22:13.04 | WriTEonlY | jhutchins_wk still around? |
| 22:13.24 | emilsedgh_ | gnarface: i had 3.2.0.1 work. installed 3.2.0.2 and it didnt work (same issue). reinstalled 3.2.0.1 and now they are both broken :) |
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| 22:13.35 | gnarface | nsadmin: if he'd installed a packaged kernel, wouldn't that have happend automatically? |
| 22:13.40 | WriTEonlY | I have not yet solved this issue with getting sshd running on my NAS using only samba access, as for some reason that is all i have |
| 22:13.44 | nsadmin | true |
| 22:13.50 | nsadmin | well, there's a hook |
| 22:13.51 | jhutchins_wk | WriTEonlY: For a while |
| 22:14.09 | nsadmin | as long as the hook is hooked, yeah, should have been |
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| 22:14.30 | jhutchins_wk | WriTEonlY: Did you try raising the verbosity of the logging and restarting? |
| 22:14.34 | gnarface | emilsedgh_: i assume you installed them from an *official* debian repo, with apt-get install [kernel package name] ? |
| 22:14.44 | emilsedgh_ | of course gnarface . |
| 22:14.56 | jhutchins_wk | WriTEonlY: What kind of a router are you messing with? |
| 22:15.10 | WriTEonlY | LogLevel Debug |
| 22:15.23 | gnarface | emilsedgh_: you're on SID yet? |
| 22:15.25 | WriTEonlY | I have a E3000, ssh was working earlier today until I performed a reboot |
| 22:15.32 | WriTEonlY | I can see sshd.pid is not present |
| 22:15.42 | WriTEonlY | and my port scan reveals 139 and 445 open, the samba share i set up |
| 22:15.45 | emilsedgh_ | gnarface: yes. even partle experimental (but not the kernels) |
| 22:15.47 | jhutchins_wk | WriTEonlY: Nothing in the log. |
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| 22:15.52 | emilsedgh_ | partly* |
| 22:15.55 | WriTEonlY | jhutchins_wk one moment looking |
| 22:16.04 | jhutchins_wk | /var//log/auth |
| 22:16.31 | gnarface | emilsedgh_: experimental is very likely to be your problem. i'm on SID and i did *not* fail the last kernel upgrade (to linux-image-3.2.0-1-amd64) |
| 22:16.59 | WriTEonlY | jhutchins_wk last thing is still 1401est when i did a reboot from ssh |
| 22:17.06 | WriTEonlY | signal 15 |
| 22:17.21 | nsadmin | emilsedgh_, experimental can have packages where the packaging doesn't work right (like installing/removing) |
| 22:17.32 | nsadmin | is the grub from experimental? |
| 22:17.41 | jhutchins_wk | WriTEonlY: either use logger or echo to flag the log before and after you call sshd. |
| 22:17.51 | WriTEonlY | problem is i can't |
| 22:17.55 | WriTEonlY | I only have samba access |
| 22:18.21 | jhutchins_wk | WriTEonlY: How did this system get built? |
| 22:18.43 | jhutchins_wk | WriTEonlY: put logger or echo calls before & after sshd in rc.local |
| 22:18.44 | WriTEonlY | Its a DNS-323 NAS system that I flashed custom firmware on, then installed debian and have been running as a small server for a while now |
| 22:19.00 | jhutchins_wk | WriTEonlY: was it running from init before? |
| 22:19.28 | WriTEonlY | exit 0 |
| 22:19.37 | WriTEonlY | - /usr/sbin/sshd, -exit 0 |
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| 22:19.40 | WriTEonlY | sorry - yes |
| 22:19.59 | WriTEonlY | init.d/sshd start |
| 22:20.05 | WriTEonlY | and never had an issue |
| 22:20.24 | catera | Anyone know of a decent way of doing a windows mbr repair? |
| 22:20.44 | catera | I am thinking if I wget the needed programs, and did it... |
| 22:20.54 | jhutchins_wk | WriTEonlY: Ok, compare contents and permissions on init.d/sshd, copy the sshd binary from the system and check it's checksum against a valid copy for that system. |
| 22:20.57 | catera | Net iso... |
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| 22:21.10 | jhutchins_wk | WriTEonlY: You might be able to replace the binary alone and re-try. |
| 22:21.29 | catera | Or better yet, instead of replaceing the mbr get grub up with a chainload to windows... For now... |
| 22:21.30 | jhutchins_wk | WriTEonlY: Doesn't have a web control panel like dd-wrt eh? |
| 22:21.58 | WriTEonlY | jhutchins_wk no, never set it up because i had ssh access :) |
| 22:21.59 | catera | Installing grub from the curses install menu isn't viable without a complete reinstall... Any help? |
| 22:22.29 | jhutchins_wk | catera: What are you trying to do, replace grub with the windows loader? |
| 22:22.37 | WriTEonlY | jhutchins_wk not sure i follow, you want me to copy sshd binary from /sbin to /init.d? |
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| 22:22.45 | ParkerR | Hmm is there a generic ncurses program that can add some color to a non ncurses program? |
| 22:22.50 | askhader | How do I deal with defunt processes whose PPID is 1? |
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| 22:22.59 | nsadmin | , versions postgresql |
| 22:23.00 | judd | Package: postgresql on i386 -- lenny: 8.3.14-0lenny1; lenny-security: 8.3.16-0lenny1; lenny-proposed-updates: 8.3.17-0lenny1; lenny-backports: 8.4.9-0squeeze1~bpo50+1; lenny-backports: 8.4.10-0squeeze1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 8.4.10-0squeeze1; squeeze-proposed-updates: 8.4.11-0squeeze1; squeeze-security: 8.4.11-0squeeze1; lenny-backports-sloppy: 9.1+124~bpo50+1; wheezy: 9.1+128; sid: |
| 22:23.02 | judd | 9.1+129 |
| 22:23.07 | abrotman | askhader: that's init |
| 22:23.10 | catera | jhutchins_wk: I guess my best bet would be to install grub onto /dev/sdb(*) from a net iso... |
| 22:23.11 | abrotman | oh .. PPID |
| 22:23.15 | catera | *net install iso |
| 22:23.18 | abrotman | askhader: has it go zombie? |
| 22:23.19 | abrotman | gone |
| 22:23.25 | catera | any idea how? |
| 22:23.34 | jhutchins_wk | WriTEonlY: No, take a look at the sshd start script in /etc/init.d, make sure it has the write permissions, the compare the /sbin/sshd binary with a known good one and possibly replace it. |
| 22:23.47 | askhader | abrotman: It is marked as defunct and won't be killed |
| 22:23.51 | WriTEonlY | jhutchins_wk 10-4 |
| 22:23.57 | abrotman | !tell askhader about zombie |
| 22:24.00 | jhutchins_wk | WriTEonlY: What's your source for packages for this system? |
| 22:24.09 | askhader | abrotman: I know about zomby processes, thjis one's PPID is 1 |
| 22:24.23 | abrotman | askhader: you can't reboot the system ? |
| 22:24.27 | askhader | And I can't ignore the zomby because it's mpd and it's using a port |
| 22:24.30 | WriTEonlY | jhutchins_wk hrm, it would appear I have a ssh but no sshd in my init.d now |
| 22:24.31 | askhader | I'd rather not. |
| 22:24.40 | WriTEonlY | jhutchins default sources |
| 22:24.50 | jhutchins_wk | WriTEonlY: Yeah, that's what it's called there. |
| 22:24.53 | jhutchins_wk | ssh |
| 22:24.56 | abrotman | askhader: there's really not much you can do .. |
| 22:25.12 | WriTEonlY | jhutchins ok, sorrty |
| 22:25.17 | catera | jhutchins_wk: Is it possible to install grub without a complete new install? |
| 22:25.28 | abrotman | catera: yes |
| 22:25.31 | jhutchins_wk | !fixmbr |
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| 22:25.31 | dpkg | To reinstall <GRUB> simply boot to your Debian install disk, live CD or whatever else you have, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc), then chroot into it (chroot /target) and run "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". Also ask me about <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>. |
| 22:25.37 | abrotman | jhutchins_wk: the bot has a tell feature |
| 22:25.55 | catera | abrotman: I am better off googling this? |
| 22:25.57 | catera | Yes. |
| 22:26.01 | abrotman | catera: your grub is not installed? or is it corrupted? |
| 22:26.15 | jhutchins_wk | Then why the fuck didn't you use it instead of being a smartass and sniping at other people's help instead of helping yourself? |
| 22:26.40 | catera | abrotman: Upon installation of debian to an external HD the win mbr of /deb/sda was rewritten.. |
| 22:27.01 | abrotman | catera: so you want to fix the windows MBR on the main drive? or install grub to the MBR of the main drive? |
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| 22:27.25 | abrotman | jhutchins_lt: i am trying to help, your constant ! floods everything off the screen |
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| 22:27.36 | catera | abrotman: If I could fix it, that would be great... However for the moment installing grub to the /dev/sda would be best... |
| 22:28.01 | catera | I only have the stick with deb netinstall on it, no extern hd... |
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| 22:28.12 | abrotman | catera: the simplest way i would say is to use the supergrub to boot one OS or the other, then install the bootloader you want |
| 22:28.47 | catera | abrotman: I completely agree. Is it possible to use the net install disk to install grub to /dev/sda to boot windows? |
| 22:29.04 | abrotman | catera: or you can plug in your external drive, boot the debian netinst in rescue mode, install grub to /dev/sda and reboot |
| 22:29.06 | catera | abrotman: Library computers restrict execution of things like unetbootin |
| 22:29.34 | abrotman | !tell catera about rescue mode |
| 22:29.34 | catera | abrotman: Rescue mode? It gives me an option to load rescue mode from the disk, but getting into it... |
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| 22:33.43 | himmelstrutz | hi. which music player would you people recommend? I need a music player that doesnt eat up all cpu, and has a nice and fast database handling. |
| 22:33.54 | abrotman | himmelstrutz: for which DE/WM ? |
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| 22:34.31 | himmelstrutz | abramart, I use openbox, and debian squeeze |
| 22:34.48 | abrotman | himmelstrutz: have you tried audacious? or is that too heavy? |
| 22:34.58 | abrotman | isn't sure what a database has to do with it |
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| 22:35.34 | kevlarman | abrotman: you kinda need one for larger collections |
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| 22:35.40 | gnarface | do you? |
| 22:35.45 | himmelstrutz | abramart, haven't tried it, will check it out. the database, I mean, I believe mysql is faster than something else? I need a music player that can handle alot of files. |
| 22:35.59 | abrotman | kevlarman: i use google music .. but in the past, i just used a basic player (but I only have a few hundred at the time) |
| 22:36.20 | abrotman | erm, only had |
| 22:36.26 | gnarface | still uses the nested directory/m3u-file structure that has been ubquitous and non-"DATABASE" dependent since fucking grip |
| 22:36.42 | Amanas | himmelstrutz: clementine is really nice |
| 22:36.45 | kevlarman | abrotman: at one point i had about 50k songs i wanted to play randomly |
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| 22:37.07 | himmelstrutz | I actually like "randomplay", the music player that one use in the console, but its pretty slow, too. I would like to randomly play all of my files. |
| 22:37.19 | kevlarman | himmelstrutz: have you tried mpd? |
| 22:37.20 | gnarface | m3u m3u m3u |
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| 22:37.27 | himmelstrutz | Amanas, thats what im using now, it doesn't use mysql... |
| 22:37.28 | catera | What exactly does it mean? do i type it in at grub? |
| 22:37.54 | himmelstrutz | kevlarman, no, will check it out. |
| 22:37.54 | abrotman | i liked using quod libet for a bit |
| 22:39.18 | himmelstrutz | gnarface, I should make playlist of all my files? thats an idea. maybe. but then I need to update it pretty often. well. anyhow, good idea. |
| 22:39.28 | catera | This is not a full cd or dvd, just a net install |
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| 22:39.45 | abrotman | catera: that's okay, should still work |
| 22:40.19 | catera | abrotman: so i hit tab to edit grub options, and replace all of it with rescue? This does not work... What boot: prompt? |
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| 22:40.38 | abrotman | catera: when you boot the netinst .. type "rescue" |
| 22:40.48 | abrotman | catera: so it doesn't boot the normal install |
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| 22:41.12 | gnarface | himmelstrutz: well audacious has an interface for it- many like it, you should try it (i don't but i'm a control freak - i manually create the m3u files with emacs) |
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| 22:41.14 | catera | abrotman: I am presented with a menu, not a prompt. |
| 22:41.37 | abrotman | catera: and 'rescue' is not there? |
| 22:41.42 | catera | abrotman: no |
| 22:42.03 | catera | abrotman: however I am allowed to select it from the 'load components from cdrom' |
| 22:42.27 | abrotman | catera: which version of the installer is ths? |
| 22:42.35 | catera | Squeeze.\ |
| 22:42.45 | gnarface | himmelstrutz: what i actually do is store an m3u for each album, then i can load them individually or in groups and have audacious randomize on its own |
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| 22:43.28 | abrotman | catera: shuld work, i've used it recdently |
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| 22:43.39 | himmelstrutz | gnarface, ok. I like control too, but will try out mpd first. |
| 22:43.45 | catera | abrotman: I am presented with a prompt, no options to choose rescue. |
| 22:43.58 | gnarface | himmelstrutz: since grip went off the rails i've leaned towards asunder for ripping/cataloging the mp3 files in a nested artist/album/song structure and it creates suitable m3u files but i often manually rip them out and recreate them by hand when i don't liek them |
| 22:43.59 | catera | I press tab to edit the boot command, and replaced it all with rescue... |
| 22:44.02 | catera | maybe /rescue? |
| 22:44.06 | abrotman | catera: nope .. |
| 22:44.21 | abrotman | catera: any chance you can take a picture with a phone or something and post it on picpaste.com ? |
| 22:44.22 | catera | If i load it from the cd, how to use it? |
| 22:44.27 | catera | No. |
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| 22:44.40 | catera | Unetbootin's work. |
| 22:44.51 | gnarface | himmelstrutz: although i admit i havn't actually tried the latest asunder in several months. there were simple limitations to the mp3 encoding options i didn't like so i made a private fork of it back at 1.6.2 that i still use |
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| 22:45.05 | abrotman | i've never used unetbootin .. it generally doesn't work with Debian installtion media |
| 22:45.36 | catera | abrotman: not many installations, never had a debian problem however. |
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| 22:46.02 | catera | abrotman: It asks me if I want to load rescue-mode I chose to do so, now what |
| 22:46.10 | abrotman | catera: i'm just saying we have a lot of people that have issues with unetbooten |
| 22:46.15 | abrotman | catera: can you even boot Debian ? |
| 22:46.30 | catera | abrotman: Regardless, abrotman I am able to load rescue-mode from the CD. |
| 22:46.41 | abrotman | catera: but can you boot Debian ? |
| 22:46.44 | catera | From my understanding this should be just /another/ program |
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| 22:46.59 | catera | rescue-mode is not a command, so? |
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| 22:47.47 | catera | I have never had an install problem, grub just chose /dev/sda :/ |
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| 22:48.36 | abrotman | you still didn't answer if you can boot Debian |
| 22:48.40 | catera | I gotta be able to manually install grub... |
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| 22:48.45 | catera | I was able to... |
| 22:48.55 | catera | When grub was the mbr of /dev/sda |
| 22:49.10 | catera | Also, as stated I don't have the external hd |
| 22:49.11 | abrotman | but currently you have no bootable OS ? |
| 22:49.20 | catera | Yes |
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| 22:49.49 | catera | Is it possible to execute resce-mode directly? |
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| 22:50.13 | abrotman | catera: i'd really try to get the supergrub ISO if you can .. it can boot Linux and Windows |
| 22:50.15 | catera | Or install grub manually to /dev/sda |
| 22:50.27 | catera | abrotman: library computers cannot execute external programs. |
| 22:50.27 | abrotman | yes, you can install grub manually from the installation media |
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| 22:50.30 | catera | I can try later |
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| 22:50.41 | catera | but etting a working grub install would be supreme |
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| 22:50.49 | catera | for now I get told 'disks not partitioned' |
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| 22:51.51 | catera | Ugh |
| 22:52.06 | zoredache | is the 'squeeze-updates' repository enabled by default on all the 6.0.4 standard install cds? |
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| 22:53.04 | LV-426 | hi, how can I launch a terminal which would invert all colors by default ? the idea is to get a more eye-friendly terminal while doing kernel configurations... |
| 22:53.26 | catera | abrotman: so again, is it possible to manually install grub? |
| 22:53.32 | catera | As to chainload windows? |
| 22:53.54 | abrotman | yes .. grub-install /dev/sda |
| 22:53.57 | catera | Or atleast supress, (ignore) the 'missing installation step' error |
| 22:54.14 | catera | abrotman: I tried such, it said 'missing arguments' |
| 22:54.21 | catera | :/ |
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| 22:54.44 | catera | Which my thought was 'duh specify disk' still same error. |
| 22:54.49 | abrotman | weird |
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| 22:55.01 | dvs | LV-426: create an .Xdefaults file |
| 22:55.05 | catera | I think someone hates me :/ |
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| 22:55.11 | abrotman | dvs: i think he means on the fly |
| 22:55.12 | catera | This is also a freinds laptop. |
| 22:55.16 | dvs | oh? |
| 22:55.30 | catera | I'm up raw-sewage highway with no transmission. |
| 22:55.39 | catera | Because you stole it. |
| 22:55.43 | catera | Thanks anyway. |
| 22:55.54 | abrotman | i stole it ? |
| 22:56.05 | abrotman | LV-426: whta is your terminal emulator ? |
| 22:57.07 | LV-426 | I only need it for personal use, I'm using gnome-terminal |
| 22:57.20 | abrotman | LV-426: in gnome2 or gnome3 ? |
| 22:57.39 | LV-426 | xfce, good save us all from gnome3 ;] |
| 22:57.47 | abrotman | LV-426: okay, squeeze or wheezy? |
| 22:57.48 | LV-426 | s/good/god |
| 22:58.13 | LV-426 | unstable, i.e sid |
| 22:58.30 | abrotman | LV-426: gnome-terminal has profiles .. add a new profile, see if you can switch on the fly |
| 22:58.46 | LV-426 | no man for Xdefaults |
| 22:58.56 | LV-426 | ok |
| 22:59.13 | nopf | what's the easiest way to have a 'no lock' corner in gnome on sid? |
| 22:59.18 | LV-426 | ho wait, i'm using ssh... |
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| 22:59.53 | scwizard | what do I have to put in my apt sources list to be able to install lame? |
| 22:59.58 | scwizard | (I'm running squeeze) |
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| 23:00.14 | abrotman | !tell scwizard about dmm |
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| 23:01.18 | scwizard | kk ty |
| 23:01.56 | LV-426 | TERM=xterm, I'll look into .Xdefaults... |
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| 23:02.53 | zoredache | so anyone know the answer to that 'squeeze-updates' question? Can someone running a fairly stock version of squeeze check to see if that is enabled on your system? |
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| 23:05.31 | scwizard | I did sudo apt-get install debian-multimedia-keyring, but when I installed lame it still pestered me about the packages not being authenticated |
| 23:05.42 | abrotman | zoredache: or you could just add it |
| 23:06.23 | zoredache | abrotman: the problem is that I didn't want it. If I understand correctly squeeze-updates = volatile, which didn't have security coverage. |
| 23:06.53 | abrotman | zoredache: yes and no .. but IIRC, they are enabled by default |
| 23:06.54 | zoredache | the problem is I am doing a new install from a new CD and squeeze-updates is enabled. and that gets me a newer version of libc6. |
| 23:07.44 | zoredache | when puppet runs and fixes the reposotires to the local standards, which doesn't include squeeze-updates all hell breaks loose. |
| 23:08.26 | joar | I just ran a dist-upgrade which removed mysql-server-5.0 and installed mysql-server-core-5.1 |
| 23:08.31 | joar | now I can't start mysqld |
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| 23:10.27 | LV-426 | good enough: export TERM=vt100 ; ssh example.com make menuconfig |
| 23:10.40 | joar | I think I found something... mysql-server-5.1 isn't installed, even though the dist-upgrade removes mysql-server-5.0 |
| 23:11.27 | joar | aah, works now :) |
| 23:11.37 | zoredache | But my real question, is squeeze updates covered by the security updates? There doesn't appear to be a security.debian.org squeeze-updates/updates repository. |
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| 23:17.48 | joar | Another thing, I think I may need some APT advice too. While trying to install libpre3-dev I get the following message: https://gist.github.com/52ead181c624d0ec3549, what does it mean when it says "[...] is to be installed" is it in some kind of queue? |
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| 23:21.17 | dondelelcaro | joar: that means that 8.12-2 is the version that will actually be installed |
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| 23:21.34 | dondelelcaro | joar: that usually means that you either haven't run apt-get update recently, or you've got something else odd going on |
| 23:21.39 | dondelelcaro | ,versions libpcre3-dev |
| 23:21.40 | judd | Package: libpcre3-dev on i386 -- lenny: 7.6-2.1; squeeze: 8.02-1.1; sid: 8.12-4; wheezy: 8.12-4 |
| 23:22.09 | dondelelcaro | joar: from checking, it looks like you're mixing testing and stable or something like that |
| 23:22.22 | joar | dondelelcaro: Yes, sure seems like it. |
| 23:22.50 | joar | Deadguy: My sources.list seems consistent with 'stable'. |
| 23:23.08 | dvs | prove it! |
| 23:23.21 | joar | dvs: I? |
| 23:23.32 | dvs | yup |
| 23:24.36 | joar | dvs: https://gist.github.com/52ead181c624d0ec3549#file_sources.list_dump |
| 23:25.03 | joar | although it seems that I at some point in history tried to get something from unstable. |
| 23:26.27 | dvs | joar: and you did do an update? |
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| 23:28.29 | joar | How would I go about to reverse an issue like this? It must be possible to make APT forget I ever did that. Depending on the complexity of APT, of course. |
| 23:28.40 | dondelelcaro | joar: what is the output of apt-cache policy; apt-cache policy libpcre3 libpcrecpp0; ? |
| 23:29.00 | dondelelcaro | joar: and secondarily, why are you trying to install libpcre3-dev? |
| 23:29.32 | joar | dondelelcaro: I need the headers to compile APC (PHP module) |
| 23:30.10 | dondelelcaro | joar: aptitude install php-apc; |
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| 23:31.21 | joar | dondelelcaro: apt-cache policy(libpcre.*?)? output: https://gist.github.com/52ead181c624d0ec3549#file_apt_cache_policy |
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| 23:45.40 | hetOrakel | hi all, i've been root-kit-ed, i discovered it within 10 minutes (pure luck, got a cron mail of a failing app ) but it took me 3 hours to figure out what to do..... |
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| 23:45.56 | hetOrakel | should i reinstall? |
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| 23:46.56 | frostschutz | hetOrakel: yes, and fix whatever leak the attacker used to get into your system, or you'll have the same problem again after reinstall |
| 23:47.00 | somiaj | joar: why do you have ubuntu sources in there? |
| 23:47.28 | hetOrakel | frostschutz, i don't knwo how they came i |
| 23:47.37 | hetOrakel | it looks like brute-force |
| 23:47.43 | joar | somiaj: Good question. |
| 23:47.46 | hetOrakel | (as in password guessing) |
| 23:48.04 | joar | this is a machine that has been my toy for three years. |
| 23:48.14 | frostschutz | hetOrakel: don't use passwords that can be guessed, then. with ssh, use keys instead of password |
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| 23:51.56 | hetOrakel | frostschutz: i'm really pissed off at myself, the login attempts have been going on for approx 2 weeks with 4 to 5 tries per second. AND i didn't notice them. But then, when i would have seen them, how could i ever guessed they would get the right one... |
| 23:52.02 | somiaj | denyhost and fail2ban are also nice hetOrakel, they block any ip that gets multiple failures on ssh logins |
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| 23:53.30 | frostschutz | hetOrakel: there are always login attempts. It doesn't cost anything to run a bruteforcer in the background on an already compromised machine, so they do it. Howevr actually finding a valid password this way is like a win in the lottery, extremely unlikely. Most systems have password auth disasbled anyway and force the use of keys |
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| 23:54.26 | syslq__ | hetOrakel: fail2ban ftw :) |
| 23:54.35 | gnarface | hetOrakel: if your password was less than 8 characters long and based on a dictionary term and you're not still using ssl1 then password guessing/brute force is a strong likelyhood |
| 23:55.13 | gnarface | hetOrakel: actually even with ssl2 |
| 23:55.41 | hetOrakel | :( it was 7 characters... a name of someone i never met... |
| 23:55.49 | Some_Person | Is there a GUI-based Debian Live ISO that actually fits on a CD? |
| 23:55.50 | syslq__ | hetOrakel: a NAME |
| 23:56.17 | gnarface | hetOrakel: definitely as syslq__ recommends, look into dynamic firewalling - this type of break-in is easily protected against by just firewalling out any ip that tries and fails to auth more than say, 1 million times consecutively |
| 23:56.47 | hetOrakel | what about 10 times ;) |
| 23:57.05 | somiaj | Some_Person: have you looked at the lxde live image? |
| 23:57.12 | gnarface | hetOrakel: most users won't fail more than 5 times even if drunk, high and on psychotropics |
| 23:57.29 | hetOrakel | Whohaa |
| 23:57.41 | Some_Person | somiaj: 752M |
| 23:57.55 | somiaj | Some_Person: yea I just saw that.... |
| 23:58.18 | gnarface | hetOrakel: also, most users (especially on low-traffic, high-security private nodes) will be happy to understand if you give them prior warning, that if they fail to auth more than 5 times they may have to contact you directly |
| 23:58.33 | syslq__ | hetOrakel: and a pass trick for you, combine something that makes sense for you, for instance 10Fido1993MyFriend as in my dog Fido was 10kg and born or die in 1993 |
| 23:58.38 | Some_Person | For what I need to do at this very moment, I'll be fine with just a console, but it would be nice to have a GUI live CD for the future |
| 23:59.07 | somiaj | Some_Person: all the lenny ones fit on a single cd |
| 23:59.18 | syslq__ | hetOrakel: even better substitute 10Fid@1993MyFr!end <--- extremely unlikely to guess |
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