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| 00:03.33 | acx0 | I'm trying to forward X through ssh from my server to my laptop but I keep getting 'cannot open display' errors. What's weird is that I've setup X forwarding on my server and it used to work |
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| 00:25.18 | somiaj | acx0: are you running this from some terminal? echo $DISPLAY -- do you get the right display? |
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| 00:35.10 | acx0 | somiaj: I'm sshing from a terminal into my server, but for some reason when I echo $DISPLAY on the server, it's blank |
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| 00:36.31 | acx0 | somiaj: I've tried setting it manually to localhost:10.0 but that doesn't work |
| 00:36.57 | somiaj | do you have a xclient installed on your server? |
| 00:37.19 | thewanderer1 | I think you only need xauth... |
| 00:37.46 | acx0 | somiaj: do you mean like xorg? no. but I never had it before either and I used to be able to run gvim for example |
| 00:37.52 | somiaj | I seem to always get it backwards, but you need an xserver on the client and a xclient on the server for X11 forwarding. |
| 00:38.01 | acx0 | also, shouldn't 'ssh -X' setup $DISPLAY and the xauth stuff for me? |
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| 00:38.10 | somiaj | yes it should. |
| 00:39.07 | acx0 | do I need to do anything client side in the /etc/ssh{,d}_config files for X11forwarding? |
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| 00:40.25 | acx0 | as of now my server has 'X11Forwarding yes' in /etc/sshd_config, and i'm connecting with 'ssh -X'. My client also has that set, but I guess that has nothing to do with this since that's for my client's sshd |
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| 00:54.22 | sharpK | when I alsamixer and select the nvidia card (hdmi audio out) it shows 4 SPDIFs, is that what's supposed to show up? |
| 00:54.56 | somiaj | that sounds about right, many hdmi cards don't allow you to alter volume levels directally (that is the job of the other device you pluged it into) |
| 00:55.00 | somiaj | mine just has two |
| 00:55.06 | psycho_oreos | Hi I have an issue with dpkg --build command. First, When one builds a package, does the output of tar go into /tmp? Second, if so are there anyway for one to specify which directory should dpkg --build compile that deb file instead of /tmp? |
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| 00:56.19 | mo1991 | looks like the mplayer-gui package is broken in wheezy -> Error in skin config file on line 11: PNG read error in /usr/share/mplayer/skins/default/main |
| 00:56.25 | mo1991 | anyone help on this? |
| 00:56.51 | streuner_ | what does BTS say about? |
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| 00:58.28 | Darkelfjuggalo | tremon: the log file you asked for http://paste.debian.net/159271/ |
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| 00:59.26 | somiaj | Darkelfjuggalo: dpkg-reoncigure locales (or install locales if it isn't installed) |
| 01:00.01 | nsadmin | mo1991, also, speaking of wheezy mplayer, is the one in the debian archive different from the one in dmm? |
| 01:00.20 | mo1991 | streuner - not finding much in the bug tracker |
| 01:00.52 | mo1991 | nsadmin - they do seem to be different, I've tried using both. Strange thing is this was working fine yesterday - did a fresh install today |
| 01:01.01 | streuner_ | well, Debian has luckily many options, just use vlc or xine then :-) |
| 01:01.21 | Darkelfjuggalo | from the log or from the installer? |
| 01:01.50 | Darkelfjuggalo | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:01.56 | somiaj | Darkelfjuggalo: I guess I don't follow yer actually problem, it is just your issue is with the locales not properly installed/configured |
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| 01:03.14 | Darkelfjuggalo | my problem was that on a Fresh install of Squeeze on an harddrive with no Operating system, the GRUB bootloader failed to install, I'm assuming that this issue with the locales is what cause the bootloader to fail |
| 01:03.44 | Darkelfjuggalo | and i think my my moniter is cutting off the edges of the log |
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| 01:04.02 | sharpK | found this in my xorg log: http://dpaste.org/XWsIA/ |
| 01:04.29 | sharpK | does that mean it's not loading correctly (no input driver/identifier specificied (ignoring) ?? |
| 01:05.09 | Darkelfjuggalo | i just got into a console [alt + f2] can i run anthing from this to fix the problem i have? |
| 01:05.22 | somiaj | Darkelfjuggalo: how did you do the install? |
| 01:05.33 | Darkelfjuggalo | USB Netinstall |
| 01:05.42 | somiaj | Darkelfjuggalo: it is very common the debootstrap dosen't install the locale package...but never seen the netinstaller have that issue |
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| 01:06.39 | Darkelfjuggalo | i;ve been dealing with this problem for a few days each time i attempt, i com here for help and someone else asks for something that wasn't asked for before |
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| 01:07.38 | Darkelfjuggalo | somiaj, might i be able to run the dpkg-reoncigure locales from the console i just opened up |
| 01:07.39 | somiaj | Darkelfjuggalo: the netinstall should not be giving you this many issues, where did you get the image from? It is the stable netinstall right? |
| 01:07.53 | somiaj | Darkelfjuggalo: you will have to chroot into your install.... |
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| 01:08.48 | Darkelfjuggalo | it's a stable from unetbootin my iso from Debian.org was formatted off and I couldn't figure out where to get to program to reformat it back on |
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| 01:09.14 | johnfg | hi guys |
| 01:09.19 | Darkelfjuggalo | ok so how do i chroot? just type that into the console? |
| 01:09.31 | ra1ndr0p | Hi, im trying to install debian but installing grub is failing, ive downloaded the iso 2twice and used multiple dvd's. Still not working -_- |
| 01:09.45 | johnfg | I'm thinking of installing squirrelmail and wondered if there was any advantage to a particular imap server? |
| 01:10.24 | somiaj | Darkelfjuggalo: you might have to mount your target install and some various things first |
| 01:10.28 | Darkelfjuggalo | ra1ndr0p , join the club that is exactly what I'm inhere for |
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| 01:10.46 | somiaj | ra1ndr0p: which image are you using to install |
| 01:10.56 | ra1ndr0p | this one: |
| 01:10.59 | Darkelfjuggalo | how can i do that from the console? i've only used the console once before... several months ago |
| 01:11.09 | ra1ndr0p | debian-live-6.0.3-i386-gnome-desktop |
| 01:11.11 | somiaj | Darkelfjuggalo: Yea I have had to manually install grub on the live-image installers |
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| 01:11.32 | somiaj | Darkelfjuggalo: df -h (do you see your target install partition mounted)? |
| 01:11.43 | somiaj | ra1ndr0p: are you in the middle of the install (i.e. to the point that grub has failed?) |
| 01:11.45 | FDFlock | ra1ndr0p: There's no reason to download it twice, it's much better to just verify the (md5 or sha1) checksum of the file you downloaded! |
| 01:12.09 | ra1ndr0p | i have verified the md5 sum, was correct |
| 01:12.21 | ra1ndr0p | and yes i am at the point where grub has failed |
| 01:12.43 | Darkelfjuggalo | somaij: ok step1 is 'df-h'? |
| 01:12.44 | FDFlock | ra1ndr0p: ok, i just wanted to make sure you knew |
| 01:12.49 | somiaj | ra1ndr0p: ok open up a terminal, and type 'df' -- do you see your target partition mounted somewhere? |
| 01:13.07 | ra1ndr0p | its full windowed, cant exactly open terminal |
| 01:13.21 | somiaj | hit alt-tab, or ctrl-alt-f1 |
| 01:13.22 | FDFlock | ra1ndr0p: alt-F1 |
| 01:13.36 | somiaj | well he is in a desktop env, alt-tab and opening up a terminal would be fine |
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| 01:13.43 | ra1ndr0p | ok hold in its in a different room |
| 01:14.12 | FDFlock | somiaj: Oh, I didn't know tht people were using the GUI installer and not the excellent text-mode one! |
| 01:14.36 | somiaj | FDFlock: well this is kinda a hibred, it comes from the debian live images (live.debian.net) |
| 01:14.36 | FDFlock | (that's basically the same, I know) |
| 01:14.56 | somiaj | so once you are booted into the live system you can run the installer from a link on the desktop |
| 01:15.00 | Darkelfjuggalo | running df-h produces '-/bin/sh: df-h: not found |
| 01:15.13 | FDFlock | somiaj: I see |
| 01:15.25 | somiaj | Darkelfjuggalo: df -h |
| 01:15.27 | somiaj | there is a space |
| 01:15.28 | FDFlock | Darkelfjuggalo: "df - h" |
| 01:15.31 | FDFlock | oops |
| 01:15.34 | FDFlock | Darkelfjuggalo: "df -h" |
| 01:16.05 | somiaj | the -h is pointless in this case, I just lik seing more readable numbers |
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| 01:16.16 | ra1ndr0p | ill come back on my smart phone |
| 01:16.33 | jnewt | anyone using tortoisesvn from windows clients with subversion here? |
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| 01:20.33 | johnfg | courier or dovecot for imap server? |
| 01:20.46 | Darkelfjuggalo | df -h = http://paste.debian.net/159277/ |
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| 01:21.57 | somiaj | Darkelfjuggalo: ok shoudl be able to do a 'chroot /target' and from there you are now in your install |
| 01:23.54 | somiaj | from there if grub is installed just do 'dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc' |
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| 01:24.05 | somiaj | if you get package not installed, we'll have to install grub for you |
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| 01:24.32 | Darkelfjuggalo | ok thank you |
| 01:24.34 | djura-san | hi |
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| 01:25.36 | ra1ndr0p | Crap now it says there is a kernal missmatch when I start the install :| burning a new disk |
| 01:26.02 | Darkelfjuggalo | i tried to chroot and i thought it was asking for a password when it come up with '#' on the next line |
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| 01:27.41 | djura-san | music on console, with latest update, is partially working in sid. moc-ffmpeg-plugin is not working and there is no mp3 support (also many other formats are not working). Anyone else with the same problem? |
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| 01:29.22 | somiaj | Darkelfjuggalo: you are now inside your target install, so this is if you are in your system. |
| 01:30.19 | somiaj | djura-san: have you checked the BTS on the packages that you have just upgraded? |
| 01:30.36 | Darkelfjuggalo | http://paste.debian.net/159278/ |
| 01:30.37 | somiaj | ra1ndr0p: you need to boot up on the 386 (not 686) |
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| 01:30.57 | djura-san | somiaj: not for moc. good idea, i will check it out now |
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| 01:31.36 | somiaj | Darkelfjuggalo: that is the output from 'dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc'? |
| 01:31.38 | edited | help-me install nvidia drivers |
| 01:31.55 | Defolos | i have a little problem assigning key bindings, is there another utility beside the gnome built-in one? |
| 01:32.07 | edited | help-me install nvidia drivers |
| 01:32.20 | somiaj | edited: do you have the non-free sourcves enabled. Once you do apt-get install nvidia-kernel-dkms nvidia-glx |
| 01:32.34 | Darkelfjuggalo | somiaj yes that is the output, it went back to the blue screen like the original installer had and brought that int a white box |
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| 01:33.04 | djura-san | somiaj: and no, there is no info on bts about bug that i'm expiriencing. |
| 01:33.15 | djura-san | hm, maybe i could contact the packager |
| 01:33.17 | somiaj | Darkelfjuggalo: it should have given you some selections like what drive do you want to install grub on |
| 01:33.35 | somiaj | Darkelfjuggalo: you could also try 'grub-install /dev/sdf' if that is the correct disk to install it on |
| 01:33.46 | somiaj | djura-san: if you think it is a bug, you can file one |
| 01:34.21 | Darkelfjuggalo | ok so type that into the text input line or try to run it as is first? |
| 01:34.22 | djura-san | somiaj: i'm not sure. Maybe i'm missing something so that is why i'm asking here about that :) |
| 01:35.30 | somiaj | djura-san: you could try #debian-next on irc.oftc.net |
| 01:35.47 | djura-san | i will, thank you for tip somiaj |
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| 01:38.57 | Darkelfjuggalo | http://paste.debian.net/159280/ |
| 01:39.45 | Darkelfjuggalo | it ran the command line as is, it brought up all of the harddrives and i selected all as I wasn't sure which was the one I install everythign else to... that is the only one that didn't take |
| 01:39.52 | somiaj | Darkelfjuggalo: rember df told you your root device was /dev/sdf (not sure why but that is what it said) |
| 01:40.01 | somiaj | Darkelfjuggalo: so 'grub-install /dev/sdf' |
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| 01:40.57 | ra1ndr0p | Does 6.0.4 fix this grub issue? |
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| 01:41.17 | rawburtW | how can I list the dependencies for a given package file? |
| 01:41.21 | somiaj | ra1ndr0p: it is an issue with the live image installers, never tracked down what it was |
| 01:41.47 | somiaj | ra1ndr0p: grab the netinstall, never had grub issues with it |
| 01:41.56 | somiaj | rawburtW: apt-cache show <pkg name> |
| 01:42.08 | ra1ndr0p | Can't do netinstall, wireless |
| 01:42.11 | somiaj | rawburtW: though that only gives you direct depends, if you want you can use aptitude it has advanced search parameters |
| 01:42.24 | ra1ndr0p | (Through ndiswrapper) |
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| 01:42.39 | somiaj | ra1ndr0p: netinstall contains a base system, you can install a base system (including grub), then copy over the few things you need to get the wireless working, then continue the install |
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| 01:42.40 | Darkelfjuggalo | somiaj so if sdf is what everything else went to, i am fine without sda taking becuase i chose sdf if it came up in the list |
| 01:42.53 | rawburtW | I have a package I downloaded for squeeze and want to install it's wheezy version of dependencies, and I need to list the dependencies so I can apt-get install them before dpkg -i file name |
| 01:43.01 | rawburtW | Java. |
| 01:43.38 | somiaj | rawburtW: so you are running wheezy but want to install the squeeze package? |
| 01:43.49 | rawburtW | dpkg --info does it I guess |
| 01:43.50 | dpkg | rawburtW: wish i knew |
| 01:44.02 | rawburtW | yes, somiaj as Java is no longer included after Squeeze |
| 01:44.13 | somiaj | rawburtW: why not use openJDK or download java from oracle |
| 01:44.29 | somiaj | rawburtW: yes because oracle won't let us distribute it anymore, if you want sun java you have to get it from oracle |
| 01:45.01 | rawburtW | because Juniper Network Connect doesn't work with OpenJDK, and this method worked for someone else |
| 01:45.11 | rawburtW | yeah, it's a shame |
| 01:45.19 | rawburtW | I wonder why they're doing that |
| 01:45.37 | somiaj | rawburtW: yea there is no nice way to deal with sun java, but you could say dpkg -i the package, then apt-get -f install afterwards |
| 01:45.42 | Darkelfjuggalo | http://paste.debian.net/159281/ |
| 01:45.46 | sheep | what exactly is preventing it from working with OpenJDK? |
| 01:46.21 | somiaj | Darkelfjuggalo: damn ok exit out of the chroot, (type exit) |
| 01:46.33 | somiaj | Darkelfjuggalo: mount --bind /proc /target/proc |
| 01:46.41 | somiaj | Darkelfjuggalo: mount --bind /sys /target/sys |
| 01:46.41 | rawburtW | sheep: I don't know, and I'm not interested in figuring it out... I have to get on my VPN |
| 01:46.48 | somiaj | Darkelfjuggalo: chroot /target (and run it again) |
| 01:47.24 | ra1ndr0p | I hate grub so much |
| 01:47.34 | ra1ndr0p | Its so difficult |
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| 01:48.31 | somiaj | ra1ndr0p: I should track down documentation to help people. again I have never seen this issue with the offical installer on the netinstall, but the live images both gave me issues |
| 01:49.15 | somiaj | http://wiki.debian.org/GrubRecover |
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| 01:52.27 | Darkelfjuggalo | run the grub again? |
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| 01:54.03 | Darkelfjuggalo | somiaj run grub again? |
| 01:54.41 | somiaj | Darkelfjuggalo: after you mount sys and proc, yes |
| 01:55.11 | dvs | and chroot? |
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| 01:56.01 | Darkelfjuggalo | i did 'grub-install /dev/sdf' and output 'installation finished. no error reported' what next? |
| 01:56.11 | ra1ndr0p | Back, grub failing to install |
| 01:56.24 | somiaj | Darkelfjuggalo: should be able to just reboot now, grub is now installed. (: |
| 01:56.30 | ra1ndr0p | On installation screen |
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| 01:56.59 | Darkelfjuggalo | how do i reboot without powering off? |
| 01:57.36 | Darkelfjuggalo | still in console mind you |
| 01:58.02 | Whiskey | i just installed openbox |
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| 01:58.16 | Whiskey | are it any cmd to install icons and stuff to it so the desktop not is empty? |
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| 01:59.35 | somiaj | Darkelfjuggalo: just type 'reboot' |
| 01:59.41 | ra1ndr0p | Can I get help with grub failing during install |
| 01:59.48 | somiaj | Darkelfjuggalo: again I'm asusming everything else was done in the install so you just need to boot |
| 01:59.54 | dvs | Darkelfjuggalo: You're still in the installer aren't you? |
| 02:01.01 | Darkelfjuggalo | rebooting now... is it a problem that the larger text at the beginning of the start up begins half off the top of the moniter? |
| 02:02.29 | Darkelfjuggalo | how so i set the log-in screen to allow root log in so I can set my user to act with root privelege? |
| 02:02.41 | ra1ndr0p | U just use Audi |
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| 02:02.46 | ra1ndr0p | *sudo |
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| 02:03.01 | somiaj | Darkelfjuggalo: login as your user, open up a termainal and run 'su' -- enter in roots password |
| 02:03.11 | Darkelfjuggalo | ok |
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| 02:03.16 | dvs | ra1ndr0p: Are you at the grub failed screen too? |
| 02:03.22 | somiaj | Darkelfjuggalo: apt-get install sudo then adduser username sudo |
| 02:03.23 | ra1ndr0p | Yahoo |
| 02:03.32 | somiaj | Darkelfjuggalo: from there you can just run root commands with sudo and your user password |
| 02:03.42 | ra1ndr0p | Stupid auto correct! *yah |
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| 02:04.14 | ddalton | I was just wondering if there was someone around familiar with |
| 02:04.14 | ddalton | wpasupplicant? I have some network-manager instructions which I need to |
| 02:04.14 | ddalton | convert to wpasupplicant code for the config so I've constructed my own |
| 02:04.14 | ddalton | config by reading some docs and samples but it might need some minor |
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| 02:04.15 | Darkelfjuggalo | it says authentication failed for my user |
| 02:04.55 | ra1ndr0p | Just use sudo when performing commands |
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| 02:05.24 | ddalton | hi |
| 02:05.27 | somiaj | Darkelfjuggalo: if you just added your users to the sudo group, you'll have to logout and backin for it to work |
| 02:05.29 | dvs | ra1ndr0p: I'd go to a console (alt+f1?) and run "df -h" too |
| 02:05.30 | Darkelfjuggalo | ra1ndr0p this is from logging in, i'm not on my desktop yet |
| 02:05.37 | ddalton | i was just wondering if there was anyone around familiar with |
| 02:05.37 | ddalton | wpasupplicant? |
| 02:06.02 | ddalton | I need to convert some network-manager instructions into a |
| 02:06.03 | ddalton | wpasupplicant config, I've constructed something but need some help |
| 02:06.03 | ddalton | tweeking it |
| 02:06.31 | ra1ndr0p | Ok ran df -h |
| 02:07.17 | Darkelfjuggalo | me run df -h? |
| 02:07.35 | ra1ndr0p | No, I did |
| 02:07.37 | dvs | ra1ndr0p: So, what does it say? |
| 02:07.41 | Darkelfjuggalo | sorry |
| 02:08.08 | Darkelfjuggalo | how do i get into the system to double check my username and password? |
| 02:08.20 | ra1ndr0p | Lists filesystem and aids, etc. |
| 02:08.22 | Darkelfjuggalo | i no i am doing what i put it but it's not accepting it |
| 02:08.42 | ra1ndr0p | *aufs |
| 02:08.52 | somiaj | Darkelfjuggalo: do you know roots apsswrod, hit ctrl-alt-f1 and login as root, fix your username and password. |
| 02:08.53 | dvs | ra1ndr0p: Ok, what does /target say? |
| 02:09.12 | ra1ndr0p | There OS nothing saying /target |
| 02:09.25 | ra1ndr0p | *is |
| 02:09.31 | Darkelfjuggalo | says log in incorrect for root |
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| 02:10.03 | somiaj | Darkelfjuggalo: maybe the root passwrods didn't get set up correctly, you'll have to boot up off your installer again, mount your root partition, chroot into it and fix your passwords. |
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| 02:10.21 | ra1ndr0p | Brb |
| 02:10.55 | lcc | I need proprietary support for my network card. on ubuntu I just install the bcmwl-kernel-source package. how can I find out if this is supported by debian? |
| 02:11.17 | Darkelfjuggalo | so i have to put my USB back in? |
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| 02:11.34 | lcc | will this work with debians "free" kernel? |
| 02:11.40 | somiaj | Darkelfjuggalo: that is how I would do it |
| 02:11.45 | ra1ndr0p | Ok ran df -h and /target is not listed |
| 02:12.10 | Darkelfjuggalo | ok so with the USB back in, do i have to reboot again or can I access installer without that? |
| 02:12.29 | somiaj | lcc: what network card? |
| 02:12.43 | somiaj | lcc: debian allows the use of non-free packages, it may be in there, but getting no hit on 'bcmwl' |
| 02:13.15 | dvs | ra1ndr0p: then what does it say? |
| 02:13.32 | lcc | Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM43227 802.11b/g/n |
| 02:13.34 | lcc | somiaj: |
| 02:13.36 | somiaj | Darkelfjuggalo: yes you'll have to reboot (Because you need to get into a system you can login) |
| 02:13.51 | ra1ndr0p | I think I'm going to try xubuntu, I'm getting problem after problem. Thanks anyway. |
| 02:13.59 | dvs | ok |
| 02:14.08 | ra1ndr0p | Bye |
| 02:14.16 | somiaj | lcc: http://wiki.debian.org/wl |
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| 02:14.41 | somiaj | Darkelfjuggalo: so boot into the installer (But just select your language and keyboard) - hit alt-f2 open up a console and then you'll have to do things manually again |
| 02:15.14 | lcc | somiaj: cool. I'll try it. |
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| 02:15.29 | Darkelfjuggalo | ok in the console |
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| 02:16.38 | somiaj | mount your root filesystem somewhere, chroot into it, reset your root password with 'passwd' |
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| 02:19.14 | Darkelfjuggalo | mount --bind /root? |
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| 02:21.29 | somiaj | Darkelfjuggalo: no mount /dev/sdf1 /mnt |
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| 02:22.13 | jpinx | here's wierd in squeeze. ls -al /dev/sda tells me it is in group disk. usermod -a -G disk jpinx and root$>groups jpinx shows jpinx in disk. jpinx$>groups does not show me as member of disk. How do I get me into group disk |
| 02:23.41 | Darkelfjuggalo | first said No such file or directory when i seperated '/dev/sdf1' and '/mnt' then i said can't find '/dev/sdf1/mnt in /etc/fstab' |
| 02:24.13 | InternetFX | jpinx: log out and back in? |
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| 02:24.44 | jpinx | InternetFX: Hmm - ok - trying that ;) |
| 02:26.25 | somiaj | Darkelfjuggalo: then it has been assigned another device name, ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid/ |
| 02:26.33 | somiaj | Darkelfjuggalo: may help you figure out what the drive is being called this time |
| 02:26.53 | somiaj | jpinx: logout and back in, groups are only set at login() |
| 02:27.31 | jpinx | somiaj: thanks :) Had me baffled while trying to set up a vbox |
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| 02:29.14 | Darkelfjuggalo | output: lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 9 Mar 11 02:15 84F7-4CE8 -> ../../sda |
| 02:29.52 | dvs | Darkelfjuggalo: That's a Windows partition |
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| 02:32.03 | Darkelfjuggalo | i cleared all of the windows out... will I need to deban windows? |
| 02:32.42 | somiaj | no |
| 02:32.59 | somiaj | Darkelfjuggalo: fdisk -l /dev/sda (does that look like the disk you installed debian on)? |
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| 02:33.15 | somiaj | if so mount the root partition somewhere (/mnt is a nice place) |
| 02:33.51 | Darkelfjuggalo | output -/bin/sh: fdisk: not found |
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| 02:38.54 | Darkelfjuggalo | ok? |
| 02:39.33 | somiaj | Darkelfjuggalo: you should have multiple disks, figure out which one is your root install and mount it |
| 02:39.52 | somiaj | Darkelfjuggalo: /dev/sda is usually what it is, but it was /dev/sdf last time, so really don't know what to do, you can figure it out I'm sure. |
| 02:40.49 | tekzilla | does debian provide kvm virtio drivers for windows guests ? |
| 02:42.16 | nsadmin | what would be the point of ignoring windows if it did?! |
| 02:43.46 | nsadmin | Kidding. I dunno... maybe #windows does |
| 02:43.49 | Darkelfjuggalo | may i ask why i had to put sdf1 since nothing else put 1 on the back of sdf in the previous outputs? |
| 02:43.51 | tekzilla | just asking, other distributions are doing it, and in order to properly run windows guests i need the drivers.. |
| 02:44.13 | tekzilla | i'm already using those from fedora, so i'm good.. |
| 02:44.36 | nsadmin | Darkelfjuggalo sdf is the whole disk, sdf1 is a partition of sdv |
| 02:44.56 | nsadmin | of sdf |
| 02:45.19 | Darkelfjuggalo | ok i still haven't a clue how to find where my root is... i have no programming exp |
| 02:45.40 | nsadmin | find a partition and mount it and look around |
| 02:45.47 | nsadmin | you have sdf1? |
| 02:46.51 | Darkelfjuggalo | mount /dev/sdf1 output: mount: can't find /dev/sdf1 in /etc/fstab |
| 02:47.13 | tekzilla | Darkelfjuggalo: mount /dev/sdf1 /mnt/tmp for exmaple |
| 02:47.16 | nsadmin | that;s kinda cryptic |
| 02:47.26 | tekzilla | you need to specify a mountpoint |
| 02:47.45 | nsadmin | mounting is joining a partition to a "mountpoint" which is a directory |
| 02:47.59 | nsadmin | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:48.05 | Darkelfjuggalo | i already ran 'mount /dev/sdf1/mnt' and it also could not be found in /etc/fstab |
| 02:48.28 | nsadmin | so you can have it as a mount point becoause it is a mount point |
| 02:48.34 | dvs | Darkelfjuggalo: Put a space between "/dev/sdf1" and "/mnt" |
| 02:48.58 | nsadmin | now would it tell without a space which part is /dev/sdf1 and /mnt? |
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| 02:49.22 | Darkelfjuggalo | when i did that out put was 'mount: mount /dev/sdf1 on /mnt failed: No such file or directory' |
| 02:49.31 | nsadmin | computers are duuuuummmmbbb... you have to tell them everything :P |
| 02:49.42 | tekzilla | Darkelfjuggalo: you can just create a directory anywhere and use it as a mountpoint |
| 02:49.54 | buhman | I have a debian host running a ssh server; when I try to exit/logout of the interactive bash session, it prints "logout" and just sits there, unresponsive |
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| 02:50.06 | buhman | the ssh client never seems to think it's the appropriate time to terminate itself |
| 02:50.13 | buhman | http://sprunge.us/ZIGL |
| 02:50.35 | Darkelfjuggalo | tekzilla, how might i do that? |
| 02:50.43 | nsadmin | buhman, maybe you started an x client running on the remote and displaying on the local that it doesn't think is terminated |
| 02:51.23 | tekzilla | Darkelfjuggalo: mkdir <path>, like mkdir /mnt if it doesnt exist (which is weird) |
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| 02:51.37 | nsadmin | you can create a dir with mkdir |
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| 02:52.24 | Darkelfjuggalo | mkdir: cant creat directory '/mnt': file exists |
| 02:52.27 | buhman | hmm, I tried to run pstree, that hangs. I tried to run htop, that also hangs |
| 02:52.36 | nsadmin | ok, so that's not what doesn't exist |
| 02:52.48 | buhman | I tried to strace either of those, that hangs |
| 02:52.52 | Darkelfjuggalo | ok i was able to make /dev/sdf1 |
| 02:52.56 | tekzilla | lol |
| 02:53.00 | buhman | I tried to strace strace, that hangs |
| 02:53.07 | nsadmin | as a dir? |
| 02:53.16 | Darkelfjuggalo | yes as a dir |
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| 02:53.26 | buhman | I can spawn new bashes; that seems to be about it |
| 02:53.26 | tekzilla | Darkelfjuggalo: never create anything under /dev with mkdir |
| 02:53.34 | tekzilla | it makes so sense anyway |
| 02:54.08 | nsadmin | hmm. that won't work; you need that to be a "node" indicating your partition |
| 02:54.17 | nsadmin | rmdir /dev/sdf1 |
| 02:54.21 | tekzilla | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:54.26 | Darkelfjuggalo | well it's what everyone is telling me to mount, but doesn't seem available to mount... i'm following instructions as clearly as i cam |
| 02:54.27 | buhman | I have several dozen sshd processes running on that host that belong to my user (I would use wc to count them, but that hangs too) |
| 02:54.32 | Darkelfjuggalo | rmdir? |
| 02:54.46 | buhman | I tried to kill -9 them all, but that hangs too |
| 02:54.48 | nsadmin | Darkelfjuggalo, yeah, remove the dir you created |
| 02:54.54 | buhman | I tried to init 6, that hangs |
| 02:54.54 | Darkelfjuggalo | ok removed |
| 02:55.00 | nsadmin | now |
| 02:55.05 | nsadmin | take a look in /dev |
| 02:55.14 | nsadmin | do you see any sd*? |
| 02:55.25 | buhman | I can start bash and shell builtins; what can I do? |
| 02:55.39 | Darkelfjuggalo | -/bin/sh: /dev: Permission denied |
| 02:55.50 | buhman | su hangs now too |
| 02:55.53 | nsadmin | ls /dev? |
| 02:56.16 | Darkelfjuggalo | ok there it goes |
| 02:56.27 | nsadmin | do you see any sd*? |
| 02:56.38 | buhman | how can I show memory utilization without spawning a process? |
| 02:56.45 | Darkelfjuggalo | there is a lot of information and much of it is off the top of my screen |
| 02:56.47 | nsadmin | or maybe hd* (from old driver)? |
| 02:56.48 | sharpK | so after days and days, I got working this device in aplay -l: card 1: NVidia [HDA NVidia], device 7: HDMI 0 [HDMI 0] and if I select it specifically in VLC [ output module: ALSA audio output | Device: HDA NVidia: HDMI 0 (hw:1,7) ] then I get sound. How do I make this the default for the whole system? |
| 02:57.06 | Darkelfjuggalo | sda thru sde |
| 02:57.08 | dvs | Darkelfjuggalo: ls /dev/sd* |
| 02:57.09 | tekzilla | buhman: cat /proc/meminfo maybe |
| 02:57.21 | nsadmin | try ls /dev/sd* |
| 02:57.44 | Darkelfjuggalo | sd has a-e |
| 02:58.04 | nsadmin | try ls /dev/sd?1 |
| 02:58.36 | Darkelfjuggalo | replace the ? with one of those letters? |
| 02:58.42 | nsadmin | or really, ls /dev/sd[a-e]1 |
| 02:58.55 | nsadmin | nope, ? is a little like * |
| 02:59.03 | buhman | tekzilla: hmm that looks ok |
| 02:59.25 | Darkelfjuggalo | ld: /dev/sd?1: no such file or directory |
| 02:59.36 | buhman | I can't spawn su, so I try to ssh as root http://sprunge.us/fZaS but that hangs |
| 02:59.42 | nsadmin | err ls |
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| 02:59.51 | buhman | how can I tell my server to reboot without spawning a process? |
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| 03:00.00 | buhman | like just using shell builtins |
| 03:00.43 | Darkelfjuggalo | ls output: bin,dev,etc,init,initrd,lib,media,mnt,proc,root,sbin,sys,tmp,usr,var |
| 03:01.46 | tekzilla | buhman: you mean instead of using 'reboot' ? maybe change the runlevel to 6 |
| 03:02.37 | nsadmin | Darkelfjuggalo, aptitude install pastebinit |
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| 03:03.06 | nsadmin | anyway you seem to have found your / |
| 03:03.10 | Darkelfjuggalo | im in console from installer |
| 03:03.25 | buhman | tekzilla: that hangs |
| 03:04.13 | nsadmin | or you've found A / (maybe the ramfs / for the installer) |
| 03:04.14 | somiaj | Darkelfjuggalo: did you do the first few steps on the installer, maybe it needs to load a few more things. |
| 03:04.33 | tekzilla | buhman: i really dont know whats going on there, sorry |
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| 03:06.21 | Darkelfjuggalo | i've ran the whole thing, I have to use installer to install GRUB...now I am trying to reset my Root and account password becuase despite putting in the proper password the log on screen will not take them |
| 03:06.53 | nsadmin | caps lock? |
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| 03:07.19 | Mr_Queue | anyone remember what it's called/how-to find and retreive dependencies for an offline machine and transfer packages via usb? |
| 03:08.05 | nsadmin | dunno... look into apt-zip |
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| 03:08.09 | Mr_Queue | For example, running apt-get install mplayer wants package x y and z. I take that list to a maching online and it will fetch it, then go back to the offline machine with all the required debs? |
| 03:08.25 | nsadmin | dunno... look into apt-zip |
| 03:08.36 | Mr_Queue | I thought there was a package which would write all that to a target.. I'll have a look at apt-zip |
| 03:08.39 | nsadmin | dunno... look into apt-zip |
| 03:08.57 | nsadmin | solemnly awaits idoru |
| 03:09.20 | nsadmin | "spam is offtopic! you DIE!" |
| 03:10.11 | buhman | now I can't ssh at all http://sprunge.us/cdXR; what does that mean? |
| 03:10.43 | Darkelfjuggalo | so now... how do i access my root to fix my password? |
| 03:11.03 | nsadmin | first you need to find the partition that has it |
| 03:11.23 | tdrusk | I need help with apt-pinning. Here is my sources.list http://pastebin.com/XxRZXx3y and here is my preferences file http://pastebin.com/FMD77uts. I only want to recieve updates from squeeze and mozilla recent. Something is incorrect because aptitude is wanting to upgrade a lot more after installing eclipse from testing.(or maybe I'm just confused) Any tips? |
| 03:11.27 | Mr_Queue | nsadmin: apt-medium looks like a winner. |
| 03:11.29 | Darkelfjuggalo | i see i have a root directory, but mount automatically goes into /etc/fstab |
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| 03:11.55 | nsadmin | am I invited to the apt-seyance? |
| 03:12.19 | Mr_Queue | apt-offline looks even better. |
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| 03:12.31 | nsadmin | Mr_Queue, I knew there were more than one of those things |
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| 03:13.06 | somiaj | Darkelfjuggalo: like before, once the drive is mounted, just chroot into the mountpoint and type passwd (that will allow you to chnage the password |
| 03:13.32 | Darkelfjuggalo | i can't get anything to mount |
| 03:14.07 | Mr_Queue | nsadmin: Yeah I did too, I first saw it years ago but have never been in a situation until now where it would solve a problem I had. |
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| 03:17.59 | Darkelfjuggalo | how do i make mount not look in /etc/fstab? |
| 03:18.14 | somiaj | Darkelfjuggalo: mount /dev/sda1 /mnt |
| 03:18.20 | somiaj | Darkelfjuggalo: you provide both the device and the mountpoint |
| 03:20.27 | Darkelfjuggalo | output: mount: mounting /dev/sda1 on /mnt failed!: no such file or directory |
| 03:20.39 | somiaj | again figure out what the drive is actually called |
| 03:20.54 | somiaj | it was called /dev/sdf during the install, how it is something else, use dmesg, start looking around |
| 03:21.30 | tdrusk | Darkelfjuggalo: use fdisk -l and it will probably be the last one if it is external and the only one plugged in. |
| 03:21.33 | Darkelfjuggalo | i can't read the enitr output of dmesg |
| 03:23.02 | Darkelfjuggalo | fdisk not found |
| 03:23.22 | nsadmin | use the installer's partitioner |
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| 03:24.34 | Darkelfjuggalo | return to the installer? |
| 03:24.47 | nsadmin | are you not in the installer now? |
| 03:25.11 | nsadmin | it's very hard to follow if you don't say where you are |
| 03:25.26 | Darkelfjuggalo | i was in a console throught the installer but i don't know how partition in the console |
| 03:25.41 | nsadmin | hit alt-f1 |
| 03:25.44 | Darkelfjuggalo | i went back to the installer menu |
| 03:25.48 | nsadmin | then go to the menu |
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| 03:26.05 | nsadmin | then, what was the last thing you did in the menu? |
| 03:26.05 | Darkelfjuggalo | partion isn't available... |
| 03:27.11 | Darkelfjuggalo | my installer just continued reinstalling everything |
| 03:28.02 | nsadmin | so... you didn't slow down and tell what was happening... |
| 03:28.18 | nsadmin | if that's OK with you (that it installs over the prev install), go for that |
| 03:28.46 | nsadmin | but since I have no information about what's going on I'm not going to be much nelp |
| 03:29.09 | neoice | someone in here once told me about some sort of helper tool to take a deb source and attempt to apply it to an upstream source. does anyone know what it might be called? |
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| 03:30.08 | tdrusk | is there a way to use dpkg, aptitude, or apt-get to print a list of packages i have installed on my system and the source they came from? |
| 03:30.34 | nsadmin | neoice, if you were to describe your present situation, and exactly how you want that to change, could probably think about it at that point |
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| 03:31.05 | Darkelfjuggalo | ok from the beginning nsadmin: I installed everything, GRUB failed to install, somiaj and someone else walked me through installing GRUB in the console, then i was told reboot, I rebooted, my password wouldn't take, I was told go back into the installer, access the console and reset my password...i can't mount anything in console, not i am back in the installer menu, and it took it upon itself to continue retreiving files...it is asking me for a |
| 03:31.05 | tdrusk | neoice: http://packages.debian.org/sid/debhelper is the first thing that came to mind, but its not completely what you describe. |
| 03:31.20 | neoice | nsadmin: at the time, I was trying to build apache2.4 for debian. I'm toying with the idea of building opensshd |
| 03:31.53 | somiaj | Darkelfjuggalo: you cut off at 'it is asking me for a' what is it asking for |
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| 03:32.10 | Darkelfjuggalo | ..it is asking me for a root password now from the installer menu |
| 03:33.44 | nsadmin | Darkelfjuggalo, set it to something simple for the moment |
| 03:33.47 | Darkelfjuggalo | i put in the root password users etc.. it is not at the partioner, i could not go back to the main menu to select it |
| 03:34.28 | nsadmin | hit alt-f2 and run mount |
| 03:34.33 | nsadmin | (no params) |
| 03:34.38 | nsadmin | see what is mounted |
| 03:37.21 | Darkelfjuggalo | http://paste.debian.net/159289/ |
| 03:38.20 | nsadmin | it looks like no actual partitions are mounted at the moment |
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| 03:39.48 | Darkelfjuggalo | ok I'm looking at the Partions themselves about to type a paste for that |
| 03:40.07 | nsadmin | ok, take your time |
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| 03:40.38 | findme | !seen cheeser |
| 03:40.39 | dpkg | i haven't seen 'cheeser', findme |
| 03:41.03 | nsadmin | !seen findme |
| 03:41.04 | dpkg | findme is currently on #debian (2h). Has said a total of 1 messages. Is idling for 26s, last said: '!seen cheeser'. |
| 03:41.50 | findme | !seen nsadmin |
| 03:41.51 | dpkg | nsadmin is currently on #debian. Has said a total of 70 messages. Is idling for 47s, last said: '!seen findme'. |
| 03:42.02 | nsadmin | I found me! |
| 03:42.25 | findme | good |
| 03:42.43 | nsadmin | I was right here the whole time... |
| 03:44.14 | Darkelfjuggalo | http://paste.debian.net/159290/ |
| 03:45.25 | dvs | Darkelfjuggalo: You're trying to install it to the 100GB hard drive? |
| 03:47.56 | Darkelfjuggalo | correct |
| 03:48.16 | Darkelfjuggalo | and i missed that the cruzer has a fat16 on it |
| 03:48.30 | Darkelfjuggalo | but that shouldn't matter since it is just a USB drive |
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| 03:52.51 | Darkelfjuggalo | ok does that past help anyone figure out my problem? |
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| 03:54.16 | dvs | Darkelfjuggalo: Why do you want to go back to the partitioner? |
| 03:54.17 | somiaj | Darkelfjuggalo: what do lines 3-5 tell you about the 100GB drive |
| 03:54.21 | Darkelfjuggalo | it appears the cruzer is the only thing in the /dev directory since it is labeled sda... while sdf and sdg don't appear |
| 03:55.08 | Darkelfjuggalo | 100GB is the sdf that i was trying installing everything too in the first place... This i know |
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| 03:55.53 | somiaj | Darkelfjuggalo: cd /dev then ./MAKEDEV sdf |
| 03:56.15 | somiaj | Darkelfjuggalo: that should create the device so you can mount it. (not sure why it wasn't there though). |
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| 04:01.27 | Darkelfjuggalo | ./MAKEDEV :not found |
| 04:02.05 | nsadmin | there is not a MAKEDEV in /dev? |
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| 04:02.35 | Darkelfjuggalo | i even tried /MAKEDEV and MAKEDEV none work |
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| 04:02.47 | nsadmin | and... |
| 04:02.48 | nsadmin | there is not a MAKEDEV in /dev? |
| 04:03.03 | dvs | /dev/MAKEDEV |
| 04:03.19 | nsadmin | it could be... it's the installer |
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| 04:03.29 | Darkelfjuggalo | i just ls MAKEDEV and no there isn't one |
| 04:03.40 | nsadmin | ok, hmm |
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| 04:04.32 | Darkelfjuggalo | but now that i 'ls' in dev i have 'sdf1.sdf2,sdf5, sdg1,sdg2,sdg5' |
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| 04:04.44 | nsadmin | there they are |
| 04:04.46 | dvs | ... |
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| 04:05.36 | Darkelfjuggalo | i see sda,sdb,sdc,sdd,sde,sdf,sdf[1,2,,5], sdg, sdg[1,2,5] |
| 04:06.07 | somiaj | Darkelfjuggalo: so now mount /dev/sdf1 /mnt |
| 04:06.15 | Darkelfjuggalo | but they did not appear until i changed directory |
| 04:06.24 | nsadmin | :) |
| 04:06.57 | Darkelfjuggalo | ok now it is mounted |
| 04:07.19 | nsadmin | see if you can chroot /mnt /bin/bash |
| 04:07.34 | nsadmin | maybe bash isn't ther |
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| 04:08.17 | Darkelfjuggalo | i now had root@debian:/# |
| 04:08.29 | Darkelfjuggalo | passwd to change correct? |
| 04:08.35 | somiaj | correct |
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| 04:09.09 | Darkelfjuggalo | now how do i reset the user password so i can log in? |
| 04:09.25 | nsadmin | try passwd username |
| 04:09.34 | damo22 | i am so fed up with Unity on ubuntu i am switching to debian |
| 04:09.40 | dvs | and no, don't actually type "username" |
| 04:09.46 | Darkelfjuggalo | lol |
| 04:10.07 | nsadmin | you'd be surprised... |
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| 04:10.22 | Darkelfjuggalo | it says my username doesn't exist |
| 04:10.34 | nsadmin | maybe it doesn't yet. |
| 04:10.44 | Darkelfjuggalo | how do i see what usernames are established |
| 04:10.53 | nsadmin | tail /etc/passwd |
| 04:11.27 | nsadmin | that tells you the last 10 |
| 04:11.33 | Darkelfjuggalo | ok let me type the output |
| 04:12.00 | nsadmin | howbout just the last line, everything before the first : |
| 04:12.02 | dvs | Darkelfjuggalo: Well, you should recognize the username you entered during the install |
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| 04:12.29 | somiaj | Darkelfjuggalo: deafult user is 1000, so 'grep 1000 /etc/passwd' will give you that name. |
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| 04:13.56 | damo22 | iirc debian has a bootstrapping tool that lets you build a system from minimal bones... what is the recommended way to install debian from scratch? |
| 04:14.19 | nsadmin | damo22, netinstall cd |
| 04:14.22 | dvs | damo22: i'd use a CD oir DVD |
| 04:14.41 | nsadmin | but that depends on what you can boot from and what you can write to |
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| 04:15.08 | damo22 | wouldnt a net install be more efficient because i wouldnt be downloading crap i dont use |
| 04:15.27 | nsadmin | correct |
| 04:15.32 | dvs | damo22: yup, if you have a WIRED connection to the interet |
| 04:15.39 | damo22 | yes |
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| 04:15.44 | nsadmin | and "crap you don't use" is different fro different people |
| 04:15.55 | damo22 | :) |
| 04:16.02 | dvs | looks at windows |
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| 04:18.18 | somethinginteres | Hi all, I've moved from Ubuntu to Debian Wheezy a few weeks ago and am having trouble understanding what's happening with my Update Manager. A ton of updates are ghosted out. It's saying their 56 available with 112 selected and it's trying to "update" abiword when abiword is not even installed? |
| 04:18.44 | damo22 | what is the difference between amd64 and ia64? |
| 04:18.54 | somiaj | damo22: the netinstall cd contains a minimial or base system, so you don't need to net to install that. |
| 04:18.56 | nsadmin | ia64 is something you don't have |
| 04:18.57 | dvs | damo22: use amd64 |
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| 04:19.13 | nsadmin | amd64 is much more likely that you have that |
| 04:19.16 | damo22 | i have a macbook pro |
| 04:19.17 | somiaj | damo22: sometimes useful if you need to do something extra to get the network card up |
| 04:19.28 | nsadmin | intel? amd64. |
| 04:19.33 | damo22 | k |
| 04:19.51 | nsadmin | you very definitely don't have an ia64 |
| 04:20.27 | nsadmin | (that thing was called an itanium) |
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| 04:21.00 | Darkelfjuggalo | http://paste.debian.net/159291/ |
| 04:21.03 | damo22 | is kfreebsd something about running a bsd kernel? |
| 04:21.46 | dvs | Darkelfjuggalo: so "grep 1000 /etc/passwd" doesn't print anything? |
| 04:22.37 | Darkelfjuggalo | no it does not print anything |
| 04:22.52 | somiaj | Darkelfjuggalo: so you don't have a default user, just 'adduser username' |
| 04:23.06 | dvs | and username can be what you want |
| 04:23.17 | nsadmin | or whatyouwant |
| 04:23.33 | nsadmin | spaces not good in username! |
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| 04:25.43 | damo22 | does the debian default amd64 kernel have support for EFI built in? |
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| 04:27.15 | Darkelfjuggalo | ok so reboot and i should be able to log in? |
| 04:27.22 | dvs | yes |
| 04:27.27 | nsadmin | give it a shot |
| 04:27.36 | dvs | shoots |
| 04:27.47 | nsadmin | missed it... |
| 04:27.54 | nsadmin | by THAT much! |
| 04:27.58 | dvs | drat! |
| 04:28.03 | damo22 | thats what she said |
| 04:28.56 | tim_ | can I choose KDE desktop during net install |
| 04:29.44 | Darkelfjuggalo | su to add sudo privelges? |
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| 04:30.23 | somiaj | tim_: I belive there is an other option, but the default desktop task is gnome so don't choose that. You can also not choose any of the desktop tasks and install kde with aptitude |
| 04:30.30 | nsadmin | did the boot succeed? |
| 04:30.40 | Darkelfjuggalo | yes i am logged in |
| 04:31.01 | nsadmin | congratulations |
| 04:31.07 | somiaj | Darkelfjuggalo: yes su will make you root, from there you can do things like 'adduser username sudo' to add the user to the sudo group (you might need to install sudo first though, apt-get install sudo) |
| 04:31.18 | dvs | !beer Darkelfjuggalo |
| 04:31.19 | dpkg | pours a pint of Bornem Tripple for Darkelfjuggalo |
| 04:31.36 | nsadmin | now, what did you want to do as root? |
| 04:31.48 | Darkelfjuggalo | i need to be able to install |
| 04:32.12 | nsadmin | must... install... |
| 04:32.15 | nsadmin | beeeeerrr |
| 04:32.27 | Darkelfjuggalo | lol thanks |
| 04:33.08 | nsadmin | a good portion of this whole linux/unix thing is to see what you can do as plain user |
| 04:33.32 | Darkelfjuggalo | now I can put pidgin on there and give my dad his Laptop back before he has a fit |
| 04:33.56 | nsadmin | dad is a pidgin?! |
| 04:34.13 | dvs | who who |
| 04:34.14 | tim_ | somiaj: thanks just wanted to see if I missed it during my install, I did install KDE with aptitude. Really looking forward to getting my feet wet with Debian. |
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| 04:34.45 | nsadmin | if feet wet, don't touch heater! |
| 04:34.50 | Darkelfjuggalo | lol pidgin IM on the debian machine. so future questions can be asked on thatt machine rather than my dad's win7 laptop *cringes at windows* |
| 04:35.21 | nsadmin | consider also installing something like xchat |
| 04:35.27 | dvs | yeah, xchat |
| 04:35.48 | Lns | is in xchat |
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| 04:36.44 | Darkelfjuggalo | changing machines now |
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| 04:41.14 | boudiccas | xchat-gnome is neater |
| 04:43.18 | nsadmin | I like messy! |
| 04:43.38 | dvs | likes xxxchat |
| 04:43.58 | nsadmin | porntxts? |
| 04:44.12 | peterrooney | always install pidgin from source |
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| 04:44.58 | boudiccas | it always tastes nicer if you install from sauce |
| 04:45.49 | nsadmin | mmm sauce |
| 04:46.05 | boudiccas | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:46.12 | nsadmin | the best! |
| 04:46.22 | boudiccas | too true blue |
| 04:46.25 | dvs | super sauce? |
| 04:46.43 | boudiccas | nah, just single sachets of curry sauce |
| 04:46.59 | boudiccas | i like curried noodles for dinner |
| 04:47.34 | nsadmin | I like curry chicken for eating! |
| 04:47.51 | boudiccas | you cant beat curry sauce and chips |
| 04:48.08 | nsadmin | what kinda chips? |
| 04:48.16 | boudiccas | mind you, gravy and chips comes a close second |
| 04:48.29 | boudiccas | chips like you get in the fish and chip shop |
| 04:49.04 | nsadmin | ahh, like what mrkns call french frys |
| 04:49.26 | boudiccas | nah, in england they're just called 'chips' |
| 04:49.52 | boudiccas | thicker cut than in burgerking or macdonalds |
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| 04:50.11 | nsadmin | potatoe weges |
| 04:50.18 | damo22 | im hungry |
| 04:50.19 | boudiccas | weges? |
| 04:50.33 | nsadmin | weges. |
| 04:50.38 | damo22 | wedges* |
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| 04:50.52 | boudiccas | whats a 'wege' then please? |
| 04:51.19 | boudiccas | potato wedges are NOT chips |
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| 04:51.26 | boudiccas | chips are chips |
| 04:51.41 | nsadmin | look at a potato from its end, imagine it cut like a pizza |
| 04:51.44 | dvs | not their fries! |
| 04:52.05 | damo22 | nsadmin++ |
| 04:52.42 | nsadmin | the only problem with that, is it's too big to assure cooking even |
| 04:52.48 | boudiccas | yes, thats a wedge, but chips are thicker cut than in burgerking or KFC or mcdonalds |
| 04:53.05 | boudiccas | chips are gorgeous |
| 04:53.16 | damo22 | boudiccas, "fish n chips" chips |
| 04:53.18 | nsadmin | does UK kfc have potato wedges? |
| 04:53.28 | darkelfjuggalo | ok now I am trying to get flash Player, what is the difference between the .tar.gz packages and the .rpm package? does it matter what i use or is .rpm for a particular distro, like .deb is for Debian projects? |
| 04:53.32 | nsadmin | that's what she said |
| 04:53.56 | boudiccas | damo22; yes, thats what i've been trying to impart to these colonials |
| 04:54.04 | damo22 | hah |
| 04:54.13 | nsadmin | colonial sanders? |
| 04:54.15 | somethinginteres | darkelfjuggalo: rpm is for different distros to Debian. You want the .tar.gz |
| 04:54.25 | darkelfjuggalo | Thank you |
| 04:54.27 | boudiccas | darkelfjuggalo; rpm is for RHEL, and fedora |
| 04:54.31 | damo22 | we dont use gravy on chips here, we use tomato sauce |
| 04:54.45 | somethinginteres | nsadmin, boudiccas: I am so glad I had lunch before logging on. |
| 04:54.46 | boudiccas | gravy on chips is nice |
| 04:55.02 | boudiccas | somethinginteres; what is 'lunch'? |
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| 04:55.19 | dvs | darkelfjuggalo: no, don't use the tar.gz |
| 04:55.19 | somethinginteres | boudiccas: :) |
| 04:55.23 | damo22 | lunch..... the meal at noon |
| 04:55.32 | somethinginteres | dvs: really? |
| 04:55.37 | boudiccas | damo22; oh, you mena 'dinner' |
| 04:55.40 | boudiccas | mean |
| 04:55.44 | dvs | yes, especially when there is a deb for it. |
| 04:55.52 | damo22 | no dinner is the evening meal |
| 04:55.56 | damo22 | in australia |
| 04:55.58 | nsadmin | darkelfjuggalo, unless you want to inject extra challenge, you usually want to install from debian and for the version of debian you have |
| 04:56.00 | boudiccas | no, thats tea time |
| 04:56.00 | darkelfjuggalo | there is no .deb for it from adobe |
| 04:56.11 | somethinginteres | darkelfjuggalo, dvs: Oh yes, of course if there's a deb go ahead and use that but the RPM isn't what you're after mate |
| 04:56.11 | damo22 | here, tea / dinner is the same thing |
| 04:56.20 | damo22 | and lunch is the noon meal |
| 04:56.20 | nsadmin | you have tea for the evening meal?! |
| 04:56.30 | boudiccas | damo22; we have breakfast, dinner, tea and thne supper |
| 04:56.46 | damo22 | we have breakfast, lunch, dinner/tea then dessert |
| 04:56.54 | darkelfjuggalo | i remember having this done before on my Laptop, but I don't have that anymore |
| 04:57.15 | darkelfjuggalo | so how do i install a .tar.gz package again? |
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| 04:57.30 | dvs | dont' |
| 04:57.35 | darkelfjuggalo | and is it possible to make Adobe a source for updating my Flash automatically |
| 04:57.36 | dvs | there is a deb for it;. |
| 04:57.37 | nsadmin | right now, hold off |
| 04:57.37 | somethinginteres | darkelfjuggalo: don't if there's a .deb |
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| 04:58.02 | darkelfjuggalo | THROUGH ADOBE, there is no deb. and i want the LATEST version |
| 04:58.08 | vice | hello! i have got a problem with blueray discs. my BD-drive doesnt detect the disc. i would be able to watch it (dumphd, makemkv, lxBDplayer) but the drive doesnt detect the disc. any idea? would be great if anybody could help! libbluray1 is installed too |
| 04:58.10 | somiaj | darkelfjuggalo: to install flash, you need to modify /etc/apt/sources.list, at the end of your deb line append contrib (might want non-free to) -- i.e main contrib non-free at the end of the line, then apt-get update and apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree |
| 04:58.13 | nsadmin | darkelfjuggalo, you're just starting to learn... |
| 04:58.16 | damo22 | tar.gz is just an archive of files, whereas a deb will put files in the right place and run scripts to process the installation |
| 04:58.31 | somiaj | darkelfjuggalo: that wll download the latest version from adobe and install it for you. |
| 04:59.24 | somethinginteres | vice: latest version of libbluray? |
| 04:59.56 | damo22 | ive never dealt with bluray and im glad |
| 05:00.07 | darkelfjuggalo | i can't access the Text document for my Sources on squeeze like i could on etch and lenny |
| 05:00.31 | vice | somethinginteres: i think so, 1:0.2.1+git20111208.63e308d-3. i am using debian sid |
| 05:00.32 | somiaj | darkelfjuggalo: its in the same place, 'nano /etc/apt/sources.list' |
| 05:00.51 | somethinginteres | vice: same version as me so it should work |
| 05:01.03 | somethinginteres | vice: is the drive itself detected for other disc types? |
| 05:01.25 | vice | somethinginteres: i tried it with ubuntu a year ago and it worked well |
| 05:01.30 | somethinginteres | damo22: thankfully it's not too hard to get Bluray going now |
| 05:01.36 | vice | yes, it detects dvds and cds |
| 05:01.43 | somethinginteres | vice: interesting |
| 05:01.52 | somethinginteres | vice: What is your drive model etc? |
| 05:02.02 | vice | one moment please |
| 05:02.22 | damo22 | who cares about laser media that squeezes a few more gb in there? |
| 05:02.25 | darkelfjuggalo | like this http://paste.debian.net/159292/ |
| 05:02.32 | damo22 | unless you are pirating movies |
| 05:03.14 | dvs | darkelfjuggalo: looks good to me. |
| 05:03.23 | somethinginteres | damo22: I care about it because it offers me better quality films. :) |
| 05:03.27 | darkelfjuggalo | do i need to add it to the deb-src also? |
| 05:03.40 | dvs | darkelfjuggalo: sure, it wouldn't hurt |
| 05:03.58 | somethinginteres | damo22: all bought legally mind. It's good to be able to get crisp video and audio in VLC :P |
| 05:03.59 | vice | damo22: best quality?! |
| 05:05.36 | damo22 | i dont think ive come across a laser format that uses 96Khz 24-bit audio in 2 channels (except SACD) |
| 05:05.39 | somethinginteres | vice: can you open the disc and view the files it has on it? Just trying to narrow things down a bit |
| 05:05.43 | vice | somethinginteres: its an optiarc BD ROM BC-5500S4 1.Va |
| 05:05.51 | damo22 | who cares about video seriously |
| 05:05.55 | damo22 | :P |
| 05:06.36 | somethinginteres | damo22: and here I thought we could be friends, since we both say "tea" but I guess not :P |
| 05:06.36 | vice | somethingintertes no i cant. it doesnt detect the disc at all |
| 05:06.43 | somethinginteres | vice: OK |
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| 05:07.12 | somethinginteres | vice: is there anything useful in the logs if you run "dmesg"? |
| 05:07.57 | vice | would be interesting if windows could detect it, but i dont like to switch to win now |
| 05:08.16 | vice | yes, very interesting.. |
| 05:08.24 | vice | one moment another try |
| 05:08.35 | vice | (the dmesg) |
| 05:09.09 | somethinginteres | vice: no probs. Try to keep responses to one line, to keep the channel fairly clear and if you want to paste output go ahead and use paste.debian.net |
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| 05:10.32 | vice | ok |
| 05:11.03 | darkelfjuggalo | Package flashplugin-nonfree is not available, but it referred to by another package? |
| 05:11.18 | dvs | darkelfjuggalo: aptitude update |
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| 05:12.56 | bubshait | My audio seems to lock up after a couple of apps start using it, so the audio is only available to two apps and not to the rest |
| 05:13.00 | darkelfjuggalo | i updated aptitude |
| 05:13.17 | dvs | darkelfjuggalo: now try it again. |
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| 05:14.05 | vice | semethinginteres: http://pastebin.com/dZYgwWFZ |
| 05:14.14 | darkelfjuggalo | i did, via aptitude instead of apt-get and got 'No candidate version found for flashplugin-nonfree' |
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| 05:15.17 | somiaj | darkelfjuggalo: did you add contrib to your sources.list file? |
| 05:15.32 | darkelfjuggalo | yes i did |
| 05:15.59 | somiaj | darkelfjuggalo: place a copy of it on a pastebin |
| 05:16.09 | somiaj | sources.list that is |
| 05:16.30 | darkelfjuggalo | i thought i did, but now they aren't appearing |
| 05:18.18 | darkelfjuggalo | ok i did it again, how do i say it? |
| 05:18.30 | dvs | you sure? |
| 05:18.40 | darkelfjuggalo | how do i save it |
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| 05:18.54 | dvs | ctrl-w I think |
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| 05:19.00 | dvs | it's nano right? |
| 05:19.13 | somiaj | when you exit it will ask if you want to save it |
| 05:19.20 | darkelfjuggalo | yes it is nano ctrl+W is a search |
| 05:19.25 | somiaj | also did you edit the file as root (if you edited it as your user you won't be ablet o write over it) |
| 05:19.27 | dvs | ctrl-o |
| 05:21.05 | darkelfjuggalo | the nano shows as saved, clicking sources directly doesn't |
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| 05:21.56 | somethinginteres | vice: hmm. Try removing everything in ~/.dvdcss? |
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| 05:22.20 | somiaj | darkelfjuggalo: you need to run it as root, 'sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list' |
| 05:22.34 | darkelfjuggalo | im in terminal as superuser |
| 05:22.36 | dvs | somiaj: his user is part of the sudo group |
| 05:24.58 | somethinginteres | vice: basically it looks like you don't have the software installed to read the disc aka work with the encryption |
| 05:26.18 | vice | somethinginteres: i am sorry but i think the dmesg just told something like "not able to play dvd", because i am watching dvd right now and installed the codecs a few minutes ago.. (now dvd wokrs well, bluray doiesnt) taking a bluray into the the drive doesnt have any effect to my dmesg.. |
| 05:28.08 | somethinginteres | vice: right. It did look like a DVD. That's cool. Ah.. what else can we try? |
| 05:28.58 | vice | somethinginteres: i will try to play the bluray in windows, maybe its a hardware problem. i ll be back in a few minutes! |
| 05:32.09 | darkelfjuggalo | does anyone know why my sources.list shows contrib and non-free in the nano but not in the actualy source? |
| 05:32.44 | dvs | darkelfjuggalo: What do you mean by "the actualy source"? /etc/apt/sources.list is the only source. |
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| 05:33.47 | darkelfjuggalo | if i CLICK /etc/apt/sources.list from the file system, the listed sources does not list contrib and non-free |
| 05:33.55 | somethinginteres | darkelfjuggalo: maybe you were in the middle of editing the file with nano but it didn't save correctly and is working from a recovery version of the file? It has happened to me before. |
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| 05:34.35 | somethinginteres | darkelfjuggalo: though normally you'll be alerted if that's the case |
| 05:34.41 | darkelfjuggalo | ok so do i need to save the nano again? |
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| 05:34.56 | dvs | darkelfjuggalo: type "cat /etc/apt/sources.list" |
| 05:35.00 | dvs | at a command line |
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| 05:36.32 | darkelfjuggalo | http://paste.debian.net/159294/ |
| 05:37.02 | dvs | it's saved |
| 05:37.09 | dvs | contrib and non-free is there |
| 05:37.16 | dvs | darkelfjuggalo: aptitude update |
| 05:37.22 | puzzlet | whenever `/etc/init.d/decnet start` is executed, (e.g. apt-get upgrade,) I want to run a custom script that manually configures the network. How do I properly do that? |
| 05:39.13 | puzzlet | apt-get install dnet-common* |
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| 05:41.54 | somethinginteres | I am having trouble understanding what's happening with my Update Manager. A ton of updates are ghosted out. It's saying their 56 available with 112 selected and it's trying to "update" abiword when abiword is not even installed? |
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| 05:42.56 | nsadmin | what's an update manager? |
| 05:43.43 | vice | somethinginteres: windows didnt detect the disc either! its definitely a hardware problem.. sorry for wasting your time :-( |
| 05:44.03 | somethinginteres | nsadmin: "Software Update" GUI I mean |
| 05:44.32 | puzzlet | or.. is there any way to manage decnet to change the MAC address of a network interface? |
| 05:44.34 | somethinginteres | vice: no worries. At least you know it isn't an OS specific issue |
| 05:46.11 | vice | somethinginteres: yes, but thats the only good thing in this case.. never buy a sony vaio! my third disc drive and always the same issue.. |
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| 05:49.42 | darkelfjuggalo | ok i'm trying to upload a screenshot of my sources to show you what I am complaining about, but I can't install Java to use my photobucket |
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| 05:57.32 | vice | another problem, my user list is gone @xchat, ctrl+f7 doenst have any effect, any idea? |
| 05:57.47 | nsadmin | darkelfjuggalo, aptitude install pastebinit |
| 05:57.50 | nsadmin | then, |
| 05:58.08 | nsadmin | cat /etc/apt/sources.list | pastebinit |
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| 05:58.30 | dvs | nsadmin: I think he wants to do a screenshot |
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| 05:59.12 | darkelfjuggalo | i need to do a screenshot bc i have the same file telling me two different things from 2 different locations |
| 05:59.17 | nsadmin | he wants to show his sources tho... htere's a coupla ways to do that |
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| 06:00.15 | nsadmin | there is /etc/apt/sources.list and there should also be /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ in which there may be additional files containing sources |
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| 06:00.40 | darkelfjuggalo | i've pasted a text output that says everything is correct but there appears to be an automated program in the sources that isn't showing the updated sources[contrib non-free] |
| 06:01.09 | darkelfjuggalo | i'm trying to show a screenshot of this automated program |
| 06:01.12 | nsadmin | oh ok |
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| 06:01.34 | nsadmin | lemme make sure I'm not talkin out my ass here... |
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| 06:01.42 | darkelfjuggalo | Thank you |
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| 06:03.14 | nsadmin | so, yeah, there's more in that dir (/etc/apt), and there are the two items: sources.list (a file) and sources.list.d (a dir which may contain other files and/or dirs) |
| 06:03.49 | darkelfjuggalo | click sources.list |
| 06:04.07 | darkelfjuggalo | the icon that looks like a blank sheet of paper |
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| 06:04.13 | Milos | http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/turn-on-turn-off-firewall-in-linux/ - why make debian complicated? |
| 06:04.27 | Milos | How come most other distributions have an /etc/init.d/iptables stop and debian doesn't? |
| 06:05.06 | nsadmin | Milos, what are you actually interested in accomplishing here, a debian support spot? |
| 06:05.40 | darkelfjuggalo | if you click /etc/apt/sources.list directly do you get 'Software Sources (as superuser)' window appear? |
| 06:05.45 | Milos | Those who have time to answer will answer, if you do not wish to answer then you don't need to. |
| 06:06.42 | nsadmin | Milos, and what you are interested in accomplishing is? how does this support you with a debian issue on your installed debian such that you can move on? |
| 06:07.16 | nsadmin | milos, if this is a troll, please don't. if this is not a support issue, try #debian-offtopic |
| 06:07.29 | Milos | Well, I'm keen to move to Debian, but already I find having to type 10 commands to turn off the iptables firewall a bit uneasy, which is the opposite of what debian should be, or am I mistaken? |
| 06:07.34 | Milos | I'm not trolling for goodness sake. |
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| 06:07.51 | Milos | I was hoping someone can give me an answer, that's all. |
| 06:08.12 | Milos | Okay, I'll join #debian-offtopic. |
| 06:08.17 | nsadmin | then, it will be a good thing for them to know precisely what you mean to accomplish |
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| 06:08.52 | CookieJar | can anyone give me some tips on building wine 1.4 from source on debian testing? |
| 06:09.51 | nsadmin | CookieJar, building anything: look at the docs of the thing you mean to build, especially important is things you need to install that helps the build |
| 06:09.52 | vice | cookieJar: have a look at the wine FAQ! very good description! |
| 06:10.13 | darkelfjuggalo | nsadmin, if you click on sources.list(file) do you get a window titled 'Software Sources (as superuser)' with 5 tabs come up? |
| 06:10.34 | nsadmin | darkelfjuggalo, I'm using command line to view all that stuff |
| 06:10.44 | nsadmin | no gui needed to read a file :) |
| 06:11.07 | darkelfjuggalo | go through the filesystem off desktop to see what i am referring to |
| 06:11.42 | vice | darkelfjuggalo: open it with a text editor! |
| 06:12.01 | nsadmin | I may or may not have the same gui you do... and, I do have the file, I do have the dir |
| 06:12.41 | nsadmin | my attention is divided... I'm trying to figure out svg embedded in html |
| 06:13.04 | nsadmin | I'm getting the figure but it's not big enough |
| 06:13.55 | darkelfjuggalo | vice, that text editor shows correct... but I also just had to update directly in the automated program becuase my nano would update but not apply to the apt-get or aptitude's search for packages |
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| 06:14.25 | nsadmin | nano won't do that |
| 06:14.38 | nsadmin | you would run nano to alter a text file |
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| 06:15.03 | nsadmin | then you have to restart whatever would read the file you altered so it changes as you want |
| 06:15.09 | darkelfjuggalo | i was told to run nano to update it |
| 06:15.38 | nsadmin | that doesn't change my response |
| 06:16.23 | darkelfjuggalo | now i have my java and my flash installing |
| 06:16.34 | nsadmin | nano will allow you to alter a text file... if there are programs that read that text file, they would need to be restarted for your changes to take effect |
| 06:16.43 | darkelfjuggalo | ok |
| 06:16.51 | nsadmin | two examples: |
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| 06:18.09 | vice | darkelfjuggalo: have a look at https://sites.google.com/site/mydebiansourceslist/ |
| 06:18.16 | nsadmin | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:20.00 | nsadmin | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:20.28 | darkelfjuggalo | ok, thank you |
| 06:20.35 | nsadmin | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:20.40 | darkelfjuggalo | vice: i dont quite understand all that page is saying |
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| 06:22.16 | darkelfjuggalo | I have install google Chrome[it's more stable to me than Chromium] but i apparently have to create a luancher but idk how to find where the browser saved to |
| 06:22.23 | Lisass | It would appear Iran is gearing up to nuke key American targets. To loved ones I am advising a calm evacuation of major city centers. |
| 06:22.46 | nsadmin | as you explore more and more, you'll get more understanding that will inform both your ability to do what you want, and your further exploration |
| 06:22.52 | vice | darkelfjuggalo: i guess /usr/bin |
| 06:24.14 | nsadmin | Lisass, oh, sorry, it's debian support here... probably the nukes you seek are around the corner and to the left |
| 06:24.39 | masgandhul | hahahahaha.. nice nsadmin |
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| 06:25.38 | masgandhul | btw. how to optimized compiling kernel in debian for x64 AMDX2? |
| 06:25.57 | Milos | Which mpm does the apache2 package use by default? |
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| 06:33.35 | Milos | nsadmin, a multi-processing module. :| |
| 06:34.00 | Milos | Anyway it's the worker one. |
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| 06:55.15 | man_in_shack | waves |
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| 06:55.28 | damo22 | me too |
| 06:55.34 | man_in_shack | what is the frickelnix kernel? |
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| 07:03.43 | piremi | can anybody tell me if apt-get has 'search' function ? |
| 07:04.06 | piremi | I am new to debian. |
| 07:04.07 | vice | piremi: apt-cache search |
| 07:04.58 | vice | or try synaptic if u like to search with a gui |
| 07:05.31 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey peeps i need help setting up phpmyadmin on debian squeeze |
| 07:06.01 | piremi | thanks a lot |
| 07:06.21 | vice | you are welcome |
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| 07:07.42 | vice | eryn: have a look at the FAQs |
| 07:07.52 | Eryn_1983_FL | is there a good howoto ou there i need my phpmyadmin on one box and my mysql server on another.. |
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| 07:08.11 | Eryn_1983_FL | ok |
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| 07:08.43 | Eryn_1983_FL | where are they? |
| 07:08.54 | Milos | nsadmin, aren't you just fantastic. |
| 07:08.54 | Milos | <simonlnu> Milos: try asking in a support channel |
| 07:08.54 | Milos | <Milos> simonlnu, you just made my day. |
| 07:08.54 | Milos | <Milos> I just got told in the support channel to move to offtopic. |
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| 07:09.05 | Milos | My bad for pasting. |
| 07:09.34 | simonlnu | your bad for not searching for a solution, too |
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| 07:10.14 | somiaj | Eryn_1983_FL: have you checked /usr/share/doc/phpmyadmin |
| 07:10.20 | Milos | Yes, but if debian is going to come with iptables it might as well come with an init script. |
| 07:10.39 | simonlnu | !tell Milos -about search |
| 07:10.44 | Eryn_1983_FL | yeah |
| 07:10.59 | simonlnu | got the hint yet? |
| 07:11.06 | Eryn_1983_FL | we are trying to figure out why it won't let us use the mysql root password |
| 07:11.18 | tekzilla | Milos: what would that initscript do |
| 07:11.22 | simonlnu | not you Eryn_1983_FL |
| 07:11.26 | Milos | tekzilla, those 10 lines. |
| 07:11.44 | nsadmin | I'd just like to offer a sample of the start of this... |
| 07:12.01 | simonlnu | "booho, i'd rather complain in public rather than working on the problem." |
| 07:12.05 | simonlnu | boohoo* |
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| 07:12.25 | simonlnu | *plonk* |
| 07:12.35 | tekzilla | Milos: do you want to flush tables ? thats 3 lines.. just do it yourself :) |
| 07:12.37 | Milos | What's to work on? The init script is missing by default, while having a working iptables. |
| 07:12.46 | Milos | Well it's more of just a question of 'is it normal'. |
| 07:12.58 | Milos | Because so many other distros have it already, but that's fine if you're all very much against my point. |
| 07:13.24 | Milos | I might just submit a bug and see if anyone else thinks the same as me. |
| 07:14.12 | nsadmin | http://pastebin.com/yH1zqJR2 |
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| 07:14.40 | Milos | I believe you missed the part where I said I wasn't a troll? |
| 07:15.09 | nsadmin | you came in flamewarrier flowers blooming... |
| 07:15.58 | Lisass | "I wish I could circumcise every uncircumcised man in the world, so they'd all be like me. I don't have a foreskin and no one else should have one either." |
| 07:16.16 | Milos | When I have something to ask I'm going to ask it, straight to the point. Just as people want questions to be asked in IRC channels. Anyway this is getting too off-topic now, I'll ignore the iptables issue for now. |
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| 07:18.03 | nsadmin | Milos, then people will filter you or not as they choose... and, you came in here looking like a troll and a complaining bitch... I was -really- motivated to help you... |
| 07:18.05 | nsadmin | NOT |
| 07:18.45 | nsadmin | I dunno, maybe you'll figure out how to approach |
| 07:18.47 | Milos | That's probably a bit rude, you shouldn't swear. |
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| 07:18.57 | simonlnu | ,i iptables-persistent |
| 07:18.58 | judd | Package iptables-persistent (admin, optional) in squeeze/i386: Simple package to set up iptables on boot. Version: 0.0.20100801; Size: 2.6k; Installed: 64k |
| 07:19.06 | Milos | Thanks simonlnu. |
| 07:19.16 | simonlnu | 10 seconds of effing searching would have found you that. |
| 07:19.33 | simonlnu | now kindly go the hell away |
| 07:20.14 | nsadmin | Milos, more evidence you should always consider how you approach people. |
| 07:20.19 | streuner_ | you forgot to say please :-) |
| 07:20.37 | vice | i love this channel :) more interesting than my DVD :) |
| 07:21.04 | ParkerR | vice, It's nice to watch sometimes |
| 07:21.10 | Milos | yeah more interesting than my movie as well |
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| 07:21.27 | simonlnu | you don't know how much i restrained myself - i have little patience for fools or people who WON'T help themselves when they obviously can |
| 07:21.43 | Kamping_Kaiser | vice: and you don't need deCSS to watch this channel :D |
| 07:21.54 | vice | :D |
| 07:22.10 | bony | how to add a directory to the path permanently? |
| 07:22.10 | Milos | It seems like iptables-persistent does more-or-less what I wanted, thanks simonlnu, I just thought something so small might as well be included by default. |
| 07:22.28 | simonlnu | bony: edit your $PATH. in your shell's rc files. |
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| 07:22.40 | bony | simonlnu, thank you |
| 07:22.48 | simonlnu | yw |
| 07:23.45 | bony | like i have have edit .bashrc file |
| 07:24.04 | bony | what is the line that i should give in there? |
| 07:24.05 | simonlnu | yes, and/or .profile |
| 07:24.19 | bony | /home/user/bin is the directory |
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| 07:25.38 | cardamon | /etc/profile for globals. |
| 07:26.09 | bony | ok got this i just opened the .profile and found an example i will follow it :) |
| 07:26.12 | cardamon | likes his main user to have the same $PATH as root |
| 07:28.08 | bony | what is the command to update the profile so that it gets effected on all the shells? |
| 07:28.28 | bony | i mean i want to use the bin that i just added |
| 07:28.48 | bony | without logout |
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| 07:30.35 | Milos | bony, source /etc/profile maybe |
| 07:30.40 | Milos | or . /etc/profile |
| 07:30.49 | damo22 | i installed debian squeeze via netinst, but i dont think i have gnome3 |
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| 07:31.43 | skilz | How can I download magnet torrent links? I have Transmission client but it isnt opening with it |
| 07:32.51 | CookieJar | I wonder how long my netbook while take to compile wine 1.4 |
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| 07:33.01 | CookieJar | >while take |
| 07:33.03 | CookieJar | bah |
| 07:33.04 | varialus | Is your Transmission version at least 1.8? |
| 07:33.05 | CookieJar | will* |
| 07:33.18 | Lisass | http://pastie.org/3468181 |
| 07:33.23 | skilz | yeah |
| 07:33.31 | Milos | CookieJar, if it gets warm, use it the excess heat as something to keep you warm :D |
| 07:33.39 | CookieJar | :D |
| 07:33.52 | varialus | Then I don't know. 1.8 is when it got support for magnet links. |
| 07:33.57 | CookieJar | but I don't want to put my feet on my netbook... |
| 07:34.01 | skilz | Oh I clicked open url and pasted the magnet link url and now it's downloading, cromium broswer doesn't know what to do with magnet links it seems. |
| 07:34.15 | varialus | Ah, yeah. |
| 07:34.28 | vice | CookieJar: yes it will take about 4-5 hours... |
| 07:34.29 | simonlnu | bony: . ~/.profile (for e.g.). man bash then type /source |
| 07:34.41 | CookieJar | ah |
| 07:34.42 | cardamon | damo22: You don't. |
| 07:34.51 | CookieJar | well hopefully this won't be in vain |
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| 07:36.48 | damo22 | cardamon, which release do i need to enable? |
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| 07:37.10 | damo22 | cardamon, i want to run gnome3 |
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| 07:38.58 | cardamon | damo22: So go get gnome3. Either see if it's in another track and backport as necessary, or compile it manually. It's not in Squeeze because Squeeze froze before Gnome3 came out, and it's going to stay out of Squeeze. |
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| 07:40.27 | Maiku-kun | hi all |
| 07:40.48 | damo22 | cardamon, sorry im new to debian, i am comfortable compiling stuff, just dont know what a "track" is |
| 07:40.56 | Maiku-kun | is there any remote administration tool with graphic session in debian repo? |
| 07:41.01 | Maiku-kun | except ssh -X =) |
| 07:41.26 | vice | cardamon: very interesting, how long is squeeze supplied with updates? |
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| 07:41.57 | cardamon | damo22: A release...basically a version of Debian, but the versions are mainly distinguished by what is in their repositories. Squeeze is the current stable, which means most things aren't getting changed. |
| 07:42.06 | cardamon | Change is bad when it comes to stability. |
| 07:42.22 | damo22 | ahhh |
| 07:42.28 | vice | maiku-kun vnc-client, but you have ro install vnc-server at the remote host |
| 07:42.35 | cardamon | Change might mean new gee whizbang features...or it might mean nothing works. |
| 07:43.02 | damo22 | cardamon, can i upgrade to a developer release of debian? i dont care if some stuff is broken |
| 07:43.27 | cardamon | Yes. Read the docs. It's all in there. |
| 07:43.40 | cardamon | And much better/more accurate than anythign I can tell you. |
| 07:43.47 | damo22 | ok |
| 07:43.51 | vice | damo22: try www.aptosid.com its quite stable!! |
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| 07:44.25 | cardamon | But when it breaks, you have to fix it. |
| 07:44.52 | cardamon | I'm not gonna do it for you. I can barely manage myself. |
| 07:45.04 | vice | how long does squeeze will be supplied with updates? i dont like gnome3 ;) |
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| 07:46.05 | vice | damo22: you can try Ubuntu, very good for people wjho are new to linux ;) |
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| 07:46.23 | damo22 | vice: i just came from ubuntu because i was fed up with unity |
| 07:46.31 | damo22 | vice: im not new to linux |
| 07:46.40 | vice | damo22: you can try Linux Mint, which should be the best choice for you! definitely |
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| 07:46.47 | cardamon | >_> |
| 07:46.55 | Maiku-kun | vice: thanks, do you know whether freenx is at debian repo? apt-cache search says nothing about it |
| 07:47.17 | vice | sorry i dont know |
| 07:47.18 | cardamon | Maiku-kun: packages.debian.org |
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| 07:47.45 | damo22 | vice: once i get my head around the repo layout for debian i will not be asking dumb questions |
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| 07:48.41 | zro | if i just installed and set up an encrypted lvm, but am not being prompted for a passphrase at boot, and boot fails... i just did something wrong? |
| 07:48.48 | Maiku-kun | cardamon: thanks, it is in n requested packages |
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| 07:48.57 | Maiku-kun | s/n// |
| 07:49.01 | vice | damo22: https://sites.google.com/site/mydebiansourceslist/ |
| 07:49.14 | cardamon | It goes like this: LTS -> Stable -> Testing -> Experimental, LTS being kind of a special case than simply more stable than Stable. |
| 07:49.27 | cardamon | And feel free to correct me, people who know better. |
| 07:49.57 | vice | perfect explanation ;) |
| 07:50.20 | cardamon | LTS is more or less the same animal as Stable, just for longer. |
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| 07:50.40 | damo22 | LTS = long term support yeah i get it |
| 07:51.01 | damo22 | i think i'll run testing |
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| 07:51.15 | cardamon | But why exactly do you want Gnome3? |
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| 07:51.39 | vice | try linux mint, there is a version based on debian testin qhich is very nice |
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| 07:52.07 | cardamon | Does it have something you cannot do without? Even a feature that you just want and willing to put in some work for? Or do you simply want the newest toys all the time? |
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| 07:52.26 | CanadaWhy | everytime I run a bash script installer (of ANY sort) I get the message "gzip: sfx_archive.tar.gz: not in gzip format I am sorry, but the installer file seems to be corrupted." Any reason as to why this happens? Thanks |
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| 07:52.55 | damo22 | i need a .deb based distro because i am familiar with the package layout, but i am sick of ubuntu pushing stupid display/window managers |
| 07:53.12 | Milos | unity? :P |
| 07:53.17 | damo22 | :D |
| 07:53.26 | vice | damo22: did you check out www.linuxmint.com |
| 07:53.32 | Milos | debian + gnome then |
| 07:53.41 | damo22 | Milos: yeah |
| 07:53.44 | cardamon | It's pretty easy to not use the default DM/DE/WM on any system. |
| 07:53.45 | Milos | ^_^ |
| 07:54.14 | damo22 | cardamon: yeah but i dont like the lightweight ones |
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| 07:54.28 | cardamon | I'm cooking with sLiM + xmonad, without Gnome integration. |
| 07:54.28 | vice | cardamon: but if he doesnt know this, he should try lionux mint ;) |
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| 07:54.59 | damo22 | vice: i know how to install different wms |
| 07:55.15 | ParkerR | cardamon, Hmm be careful with slim. It tends to write gigabytes of logs |
| 07:55.38 | cardamon | damo22: So get gnome or XFCE and apply your own chosen WM. Openbox with XFCE panels is very nice, fairly light, and not unfamiliar. |
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| 07:56.02 | cardamon | ParkerR: That's what a log rotator is for. |
| 07:56.23 | ParkerR | Oh ok |
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| 07:56.35 | cardamon | Or a cron job to delete oldest entries. |
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| 07:57.08 | damo22 | i find it funny that you assume i dont know anything just because i am new to debian |
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| 07:57.45 | cardamon | damo22: I assume nothing. |
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| 07:58.29 | damo22 | that was mainly for vice |
| 07:58.41 | vice | damo22: i am sry if i insulted you. |
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| 07:59.25 | damo22 | ok np |
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| 08:01.25 | damo22 | one thing i really liked about my install of debian squeeze was the time it took to boot to console, a few seconds |
| 08:01.26 | varialus | I used to like Ubuntu, but now I can't really stand it. I wish Linux Mint DE had been around back when I was switching to Linux. But now I prefer plain Debian to Mint DE. |
| 08:01.39 | vice | if you want to run gnome3, i prefer linux mint lisa, which is very easy to use. its based on ubuntu, but with gnome 3 and a lot of non free codecs for multimedia and so on. there is also a debian-testing based edition |
| 08:02.45 | CanadaWhy | everytime I run a bash script installer (of ANY sort) I get the message "gzip: sfx_archive.tar.gz: not in gzip format I am sorry, but the installer file seems to be corrupted." Any reason as to why this happens? Thanks |
| 08:03.37 | damo22 | sfx_archive seems to indicate a self extracting archive |
| 08:03.40 | vice | another choice would be debian sid, but then u really should know what you do.. |
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| 08:04.18 | damo22 | CanadaWhy, try renaming it to no extension and executing it |
| 08:05.12 | ParkerR | vice, Im liking wheezy myself |
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| 08:06.13 | vice | me2 ;) |
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| 08:08.15 | nsadmin | CanadaWhy, the installables in debian are debian packages... even within .deb files, some work and some don't... you have a bash script installer, to install a binary executable? still, it might work... such a thing is hard to support in #debian because people are not familiar with such installers; .debs are fairly easy to understand (and btw, to pull apart). |
| 08:08.48 | nsadmin | CanadaWhy, having said all that, I know you have a purpose in mind, you have something you'd like to do... what is that? |
| 08:10.38 | ParkerR | vice, :) http://dl.dropbox.com/u/71679/screenshots/2012_03_11_04:10:22.jpg |
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| 08:12.09 | vice | ParkeR: I am using aptosid and xfce, too! |
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| 08:12.38 | ParkerR | vice, I just went from a base netinstall |
| 08:14.01 | nsadmin | CanadaWhy, are you going to respond yet? are you aware that people are talking to you? |
| 08:14.48 | vice | ParkerR: i am sure that u will have a lot of fun with it! |
| 08:15.32 | damo22 | the main reason why i want gnome3 is that i want the best readability of X fonts and i cant seem to set that up in gnome2, the fonts look bad... but i have seen someone using gnome3 that looks crystal clear |
| 08:15.59 | ParkerR | vice, Oh I have been. Been on this install for a little while now |
| 08:16.32 | nsadmin | is font rendering a responsibility of gnome/xfce/kde? or is it something deeper? |
| 08:17.00 | ParkerR | nsadmin, I think it can be |
| 08:17.14 | vice | damo22: last time :D try linux mint, looks very nice! and you will not have problems with anything.. |
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| 08:17.22 | s70rm | gnome 3 sucks i can't disable fallback |
| 08:18.12 | damo22 | i will continue my experimentation |
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| 08:19.26 | damo22 | its not just about looks its the layout of the system files too, i dont want to learn a whole new distro, but ubuntu / debian seem to have similar system layouts |
| 08:19.32 | nsadmin | it's a good bet font rendering is handled by xfs |
| 08:20.36 | nsadmin | damo22, there's a document you can read, I think it's FHS or Filesystem Hieriarchy Standard |
| 08:20.46 | nsadmin | debian mostly uses that |
| 08:20.55 | damo22 | k |
| 08:21.17 | vice | i want to remove gnome3, so i have to start my xfce-session via console. i tried to simply remove gdm3, but then there were a lot of problems, can anybody help me in this case? |
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| 08:21.47 | vice | sry, i want to remove the gdm3, not gnome3 (dont even have gnome3) |
| 08:23.33 | vice | i tried freebsd half an year ago, and there i compiled only xfce without any gdm3. is there any way to get this in debian sid? sry for asking stupid questions. |
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| 08:26.59 | klys | you don't need gdm* to run gnome3 |
| 08:27.27 | vice | i am running xfce |
| 08:27.34 | blubberdiblub | it is definitely possible to use xfce with a different display manager. and it should also be possible to run it completely without one |
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| 08:27.46 | streuner_ | vice, how about to use startx? |
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| 08:28.14 | nsadmin | debian sid, that's the unstable branch where all the action and problems happen. If you use it, you necessarily assert you understand how to find problems in it |
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| 08:28.18 | klys | anyone here got netbeans? |
| 08:28.40 | streuner_ | vice: http://wiki.debian.org/Xfce#Run_Xfce |
| 08:28.51 | damo22 | klys: i have netbeans 7.1 but not in my debian |
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| 08:28.55 | vice | streuner i tried startx with a xinitrc-script and i tried it with simply typing startxfce4-session |
| 08:29.14 | streuner_ | read the URL |
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| 08:29.42 | klys | damo22: you have adb? |
| 08:29.52 | nsadmin | you're also asserting things like: when you upgrade, you understand the repercussions of each upgrade, because you read source and the differences between sources and can get from that what will happen if you allow that package to be upgraded |
| 08:30.32 | vice | nsadmin: yes i know |
| 08:30.40 | nsadmin | and that you know what and where the BTS is, and you consult it regularly :) |
| 08:31.16 | nsadmin | one thing you're not asserting, is that you'd help debian by filing bug reports with fixes... but, we hope you will |
| 08:31.34 | vice | streuner: what does the "ck-launch-session" command ? |
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| 08:32.14 | damo22 | klys: nope |
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| 08:32.39 | klys | damo22: is your debian system less capable than the other? |
| 08:32.57 | damo22 | klys: atm its still being installed |
| 08:33.17 | klys | damo22: have you reserved less space for it? |
| 08:33.26 | cardamon | klys: What's your netbeans question? |
| 08:33.37 | klys | cardamon: you have adb? |
| 08:33.44 | cardamon | Nope. |
| 08:33.47 | klys | k |
| 08:33.55 | cardamon | Shot in the dark. Good luck. |
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| 08:34.19 | damo22 | klys: might be easier to just state your problem |
| 08:34.30 | cardamon | Usually is. |
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| 08:34.35 | craigevil | klys, why not ask in #android |
| 08:35.12 | klys | no, mi just want more problems so mi keep asking |
| 08:36.12 | klys | this system isn't fast enough for netbeans anyway |
| 08:36.36 | nsadmin | I thought android/google supported eclipse |
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| 08:37.11 | vice | nsadmin: i was using testing bevore. but sid is in some cases more stable than testing. i often report bugs and infrequent can fix them.. |
| 08:37.12 | klys | nsadmin: you remember me running android like a week or two ago? |
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| 08:38.14 | nsadmin | vice, I would imagine so... in fact, I think they go back and forth all the time |
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| 08:39.02 | nsadmin | but that's absolutely not stable according to debian's definition: no new features. no new versions. |
| 08:40.11 | nsadmin | maybe, not sure |
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| 08:40.38 | nsadmin | android runs on my phone, and I may return to the app I was developing |
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| 08:41.25 | vice | nsadmin: of course.. another reason for using stable is to get the newest software which is needed in some cases.. |
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| 08:42.05 | vice | for using sid i meant |
| 08:42.06 | nsadmin | well that's the risky way |
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| 08:42.46 | vice | havent got any big problems which couldnt be solved ;) |
| 08:42.51 | nsadmin | I'm running oldstable, or maybe even before, and I have typical 2-year uptimes |
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| 08:43.46 | mute_ | .xinitrc is just a bash script, right? |
| 08:44.38 | streuner_ | more a simple text file |
| 08:44.39 | nsadmin | well more likely sh |
| 08:45.07 | vice | iam really very tired! thanks to all of you for everything! have a nice day! good bye! |
| 08:45.34 | nsadmin | nite vice, and may your vice be interesting |
| 08:45.39 | streuner_ | amset:/# file /home/streuner/.xsession |
| 08:45.39 | streuner_ | /home/streuner/.xsession: ASCII text |
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| 08:46.48 | vice | "vice" is a symbolic figure in my country :) |
| 08:46.53 | klys | is also running lenny/oldstable (no reason to upgrade yet) |
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| 08:47.08 | streuner_ | !sns |
| 08:47.09 | dpkg | Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>. |
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| 08:47.32 | klys | last thing I remember, etch was sid |
| 08:47.42 | nsadmin | in my case I have specific reasons to not upgrade |
| 08:48.02 | nsadmin | upgrading does not just mean diost-upgrade |
| 08:48.45 | dutchfish | nsadmin, i am running lenny as well for some special purposes, not able to upgrade yet |
| 08:48.48 | mute_ | When I wound up needing more things than I was willing to backport, I moved to wheezy (rather than testing, specifically) |
| 08:48.58 | damo22 | !ssb |
| 08:48.59 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
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| 08:49.40 | nsadmin | mute, currently wheezy is testing |
| 08:50.01 | dutchfish | nsadmin, in the past, support for old stable stopped when testing went freeze, it seams to be earlier with lenny, i have misasumed on that. |
| 08:50.11 | cardamon | nsadmin: sorry, thought I quaalified that properly. tired. Lost an hour to daylight savings. |
| 08:51.25 | nsadmin | "wheezy" is more specific than "testing" as the latter can float (and therefore can surprise the unwary) and the former will go to stable when wheezy is released |
| 08:51.28 | cardamon | Hmm. if a want my .xinitrc to run a script when it picks this window manager, should I background the script? |
| 08:51.49 | cardamon | nsadmin: I know. That's why I'm on Wheezy, not Testing. |
| 08:51.59 | cardamon | Even if they're the same at the moment. |
| 08:52.30 | nsadmin | "testing" can ceace to exist for a few days when release happens, while ftp-master does their busywork |
| 08:52.40 | damo22 | ohhh so if you put "testing" in your sources.list its a floating target? |
| 08:52.42 | cardamon | ....guh. I didn't screen this session, so when restart X to check this I'm gonna loose you guys again. |
| 08:53.28 | loop- | ill miss you |
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| 08:55.32 | nsadmin | damo22, testing -> stable, then there would be a new testing that starts a coupla days later |
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| 08:55.50 | damo22 | thats why its handy to run linux in a vm, i can reboot without losing chat :P |
| 08:55.54 | nsadmin | or maybe they can tighten the timing up and have the new testing right away |
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| 09:00.15 | _0bitcount | Will this book be available on paper? http://debian-handbook.info/ |
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| 09:03.39 | guardian | hi, i'm trying to harden mysql. I read it's a good idea to put set-variable=local-infile=0 in [mysqld] to prevent reading from local files. however when I do that, mysqld doesn't start and I'm getting [ERROR] /usr/sbin/mysqld: unknown variable 'set-variable=local-infile=0' — any hint please? |
| 09:04.02 | nsadmin | _0bitcount, when you print it :) |
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| 09:05.27 | _0bitcount | nsadmin, OK. I think that makes it way cheaper for the authors. |
| 09:06.10 | damo22 | does debian installer work on mac hardware? i figured out how to compile and install grub2 onto a mac without clobbering the built in EFI partition and it boots |
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| 09:06.55 | nsadmin | since I can't see tone from your message... are you saying that like it's a bad thing? |
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| 09:07.28 | somiaj | damo22: yes, the hard part is just getting it to boot correctly. |
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| 09:10.52 | damo22 | somiaj, apparently the mac firmware looks for any fat partition with a /efi/boot/bootx64.efi file and will show up in the boot menu when you hold alt :) |
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| 09:12.15 | damo22 | brb dinner |
| 09:12.36 | _0bitcount | nsadmin, sorry. What I meant was that it is a good thing. I hope more projects follow the example to release good documentation in this way. |
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| 09:13.58 | nsadmin | _0bitcount, oh ok,,, truthfully either would be fine; I was just curious |
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| 09:27.06 | man_in_shack | looks around |
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| 09:28.32 | man_in_shack | so this initrd doesn't seem to be including the right drivers |
| 09:28.51 | man_in_shack | it's not detecting any harddrives at all |
| 09:29.00 | man_in_shack | even after i manually modprobe ahci |
| 09:29.27 | sharpieK | how do I set a specific device (as in card 1 device 7) to be the only and/or default audio device of the whole system? |
| 09:31.01 | damo22 | sharpieK, use a ~/.asound.conf file with default { hw ..... etc |
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| 09:33.03 | sharpieK | damo22, any clue on what the specific line would be? i know it's card 1 device 7... |
| 09:33.38 | sharpieK | damo22, I see some alsa guides use pcm.!default { type hw card 1 device 7 } scheme... is that right? (it's an old wiki) |
| 09:33.48 | damo22 | sharpieK, yeah that sounds right |
| 09:34.53 | damo22 | sharpieK, do you have more than 1 sound card but want to disable the rest? |
| 09:36.03 | sharpieK | damo22, I have the default mobo sound card, and an HDMI out from an nvidia gt 220 (GPU), I finally got it to work (it's outputting on device 7 of that card (1)), but with the exception of VLC (which I can set to manually output to that device), everything else in the system produces no sound... |
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| 09:36.12 | NishaKitty | man_in_shack: doesn;t udev load modules as needed? |
| 09:36.19 | sharpieK | so I am hoping this can force card 1 device 7 to be the default system sound device. |
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| 09:36.58 | valdyn | !asoundrc |
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| 09:37.18 | valdyn | !test |
| 09:37.20 | dpkg | Test failed. |
| 09:37.25 | valdyn | !listkeys asound |
| 09:37.27 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'asound' by key (4): viasound #del# ;; dmasound #del# ;; asoundconf ;; asound. |
| 09:37.34 | valdyn | !asoundconf |
| 09:37.35 | dpkg | asoundconf was a tool introduced by <Ubuntu> to create asoundrc files. Removed from Debian post-Lenny to resolve bugs #433134 and #505089. See also <alsaconf>, <default alsa>. |
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| 09:39.30 | damo22 | sharpk, i dont like pulseaudio personally im not sure what it would do if an asoundrc file was present |
| 09:39.46 | NishaKitty | damo22: it'd be fine |
| 09:39.52 | NishaKitty | I have one and use pulse |
| 09:39.55 | damo22 | ok |
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| 09:40.06 | NishaKitty | actually I link it to the one pulse has |
| 09:40.25 | NishaKitty | $ ls -l /etc/asound.conf |
| 09:40.26 | NishaKitty | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 31 Mar 10 21:46 /etc/asound.conf -> /usr/share/alsa/pulse-alsa.conf |
| 09:40.32 | damo22 | ahhh |
| 09:40.41 | damo22 | nice |
| 09:40.49 | valdyn | to use pulse exclusively you need asoundrc to redirect alsa-using apps to pulse |
| 09:40.59 | valdyn | ( which is probably what that one does ) |
| 09:41.04 | NishaKitty | yep |
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| 09:41.15 | man_in_shack | AHHA |
| 09:41.27 | damo22 | sharpk, you should do that |
| 09:41.28 | NishaKitty | I use pulse it's a bit of a pain and I have a bug report in for it which hasn't got attention yet same with my other bug report >.< |
| 09:41.40 | bnb_dev | if a cron is set for every minute, and that process not complete in a minute, and another cron executes then cron executes the previous first? |
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| 09:41.48 | man_in_shack | did insmod of libata, libahci and ahci |
| 09:41.53 | man_in_shack | and then everything got picked up |
| 09:41.56 | sharpk | damo22 what exactly do I do? |
| 09:42.09 | valdyn | man_in_shack: why did you use "insmod" at all? |
| 09:42.14 | NishaKitty | man_in_shack: neat |
| 09:42.35 | damo22 | NishaKitty, i wrote a patch for a usb sound card that wasnt supported but people had trouble using pulse with it |
| 09:42.47 | man_in_shack | because "modprobe ahci" didn't actually end up loading anything according to /proc/modules |
| 09:43.02 | NishaKitty | damo22: I just made a report I have the BadDecibell issue |
| 09:43.08 | NishaKitty | alsa driver reports wrong db levels |
| 09:43.19 | damo22 | i see |
| 09:43.20 | NishaKitty | or something to that effect |
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| 09:44.43 | damo22 | i find it very difficult to get anything i write accepted into alsa, especially since the usb card i have takes 4-5 seconds to initialise and the kernel guys hate things that "wait" |
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| 09:46.45 | happyhessian | Could someone help me debug my xorg-xserver? pastebin.com/WaMqj3Ha (Xorg.log) caused by pastebin.com/UmFeeGdQ (xorg.conf) . The bug showed up when I switched from testing to unstable and appears to be caused by a failed mode set but I'm not sure how to work around it |
| 09:47.57 | sharpk | so I'm still not sure, is there a better way to get card 1 device 7 to be only and/or default device? I added that pcm!.default line to asound.conf, rebooted, but nothing happenned... |
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| 09:48.47 | valdyn | sharpk: its pcm.!default |
| 09:48.53 | valdyn | sharpk: read more carefully... |
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| 09:49.39 | sharpk | valdyn, I actually mistyped it here, but that's how it is in the .asound.conf |
| 09:49.46 | valdyn | sharpk: ok |
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| 09:49.55 | valdyn | sharpk: im not sure ~/.asound.conf is read at all |
| 09:49.57 | sharpk | pcm.!default {type hw card 1 device 7}, but still no go... |
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| 09:50.12 | valdyn | sharpk: I only know about ~/.asoundrc *and* /etc/asound.conf, not ~/.asound.conf |
| 09:50.15 | damo22 | sharpk: i might have mistyped it, maybe it's ~/.asoundrc |
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| 09:50.40 | sharpk | hmm, should I just try that same line in all 3? |
| 09:50.42 | sharpk | or could it conflict? |
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| 09:51.39 | damo22 | sharpk, man asoundrc |
| 09:51.42 | valdyn | sharpk: rebooting for this is useless |
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| 09:52.04 | happyhessian | valdyn: thanks for your advice earlier, i used the squeeze installer and everything worked fine. now i've switched to sid and am running in to xorg problems... segfault during mode set using nvidia 285 series http://pastebin.com/WaMqj3Ha |
| 09:52.12 | sharpk | damo22 no manal entry for asoundrc ... |
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| 09:52.25 | sharpk | valdyn, a log out then? or does it instantly take effect? |
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| 09:52.39 | valdyn | sharpk: happyhessian sid has the nvidia-glx version 295 |
| 09:52.46 | valdyn | happyhessian: ^^ |
| 09:52.59 | blubberdiblub | sharpk: restarting the affected application should suffice |
| 09:53.00 | valdyn | sharpk: you just need to restart the sound-playing program |
| 09:53.08 | sharpk | ahh, I see thanks |
| 09:53.34 | valdyn | sharpk: "strace -eopen aplay some.wav 2>&1 | grep asound" to see the file being read |
| 09:53.57 | happyhessian | valdyn: cool, i'll try it from the repo then |
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| 09:55.16 | sharpk | valdyn, ran it but nothing happens... |
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| 09:55.54 | sharpk | valdyn, i'm probably dumb though and need a proper "some.wav" to exist? |
| 09:56.01 | valdyn | sharpk: you dont |
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| 09:57.12 | valdyn | sharpk: see: http://pastebin.com/N5h76rVT |
| 09:57.36 | valdyn | sharpk: mind, Im using pulseaudio as you can see, but libasound.so.2 always gets loaded |
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| 09:59.20 | sharpk | valdyn, hm, copied and pasted and the command doesn't show anything for me... |
| 09:59.57 | damo22 | sharpk, find a valid wav file and try to play it with aplay |
| 10:00.08 | man_in_shack | ok |
| 10:00.19 | valdyn | sharpk: you dont get any output when strace is not installed |
| 10:00.29 | man_in_shack | i gonna have to clean the crap out of this system |
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| 10:01.08 | man_in_shack | too many things not working |
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| 10:02.41 | sharpk | valdyn: OK, https://gist.github.com/de869fb5216f17c2997d |
| 10:03.11 | valdyn | sharpk: so, there you go |
| 10:03.18 | sharpk | valdyn ? |
| 10:03.32 | sharpk | valdyn just the /etc/asound.conf then? |
| 10:03.42 | valdyn | sharpk: probably ~/.asoundrc does not exist |
| 10:04.44 | 92AAAGQ80 | I've just contributed: http://debian-handbook.info/ C'mon guys! It's easy and for a good cause. Please, donate. ;-) |
| 10:04.54 | valdyn | !ops 92AAAGQ80 |
| 10:04.55 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: valdyn complains about: 92AAAGQ80 |
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| 10:06.11 | jelly-home | valdyn: even if it's an advertisement, that one's rather ON topic |
| 10:06.20 | sharpk | valdyn, dang, added pcm.!default {type hw card 1 device 7} tp /etc/asound.conf, but still no sound... |
| 10:06.32 | 92AAAGQ80 | valdyn, is there any problem? |
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| 10:08.01 | valdyn | sharpk: I hope you are using aplay to try this out |
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| 10:08.22 | valdyn | 92AAAGQ80: Yes, here is not the place for advertising |
| 10:08.46 | vlt | Hello. I use OpenVPN on Debian and my client-config-dir ccd is ignored. Any idea what could cause this? |
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| 10:09.10 | sharpk | valdyn, was not, do I just download a .wav and "aplay *.wav"? |
| 10:09.23 | valdyn | sharpk: /usr/share/sounds typically has some wav files |
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| 10:09.47 | blubberdiblub | alsa-utils should come with some testing wavs |
| 10:10.05 | blubberdiblub | (this package is already installed, since aplay is in there too) |
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| 10:10.31 | blubberdiblub | sharpk, try /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Front_Center.wav |
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| 10:12.11 | sharpk | valdyn, it did play when I "aplay '/usr/share/sounds/shutdown1.wav' " |
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| 10:12.28 | valdyn | sharpk: so alsa is configured ok now |
| 10:12.34 | 92AAAGQ80 | valdyn, that wasn't advertising. I was just announcing my contribution to a project that is going to benefit every debian user, that includes you, in the near future. |
| 10:12.37 | sharpk | blubberdiblub it actually didn't play front_center.wav for some reason, "aplay: set_params:1059: channels count non available" |
| 10:12.38 | valdyn | sharpk: now what about your app that does not work? |
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| 10:13.10 | valdyn | 92AAAGQ80: I can see jelly-home's point, but its not debatable that its advertising, so dont start please |
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| 10:13.30 | mah454 | How can disable VGA in grub |
| 10:13.32 | mah454 | ? |
| 10:14.06 | 92AAAGQ80 | valdyn, it would be advertising if I take some benefit of it. I just told you: I donated money to make debian documentation free, as in freedom. |
| 10:14.15 | sharpk | valdyn, dunno, just testing with rythmbox music player (default app), clicked to stream some radio stations, and while it says playing, no sound comes out... |
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| 10:14.26 | blubberdiblub | sharpk, Front_Center.wav is a stereo file, that's probably why |
| 10:14.43 | sharpk | blubberdiblub, that mean I can't play stereo files? |
| 10:15.10 | valdyn | sharpk: show us the output for "aplay -l" |
| 10:15.12 | blubberdiblub | sharpk, seemingly not on that card/device combination |
| 10:15.39 | jelly-home | 92AAAGQ80: it's an ad nevertheless, but IMHO it's an ontopic ad. |
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| 10:16.35 | 92AAAGQ80 | jelly-home, is it because it implies money in one way or another? |
| 10:16.37 | sharpk | valdyn, http://dpaste.org/ZgUUY/ |
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| 10:17.38 | jelly-home | 92AAAGQ80: not at all. It's because it's an URL that has little to do directly with Debian tech support. |
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| 10:18.00 | jelly-home | 92AAAGQ80: nothing wrong with money. |
| 10:18.04 | valdyn | sharpk: clearly i dont know exactly how hdmi works, but i think you shouldnt be using device 7 but device 0 |
| 10:18.15 | 92AAAGQ80 | jelly-home, ah, OK. My mistake. |
| 10:18.23 | valdyn | sharpk: or possible 1, not 7 |
| 10:18.43 | sharpk | valdyn let me try to change the asound file to 0 or 1 and see... |
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| 10:19.15 | jelly-home | 92AAAGQ80: I'd consider it quite on topic, because having the material online would make things easier, but it's not my call to make. |
| 10:19.34 | happyhessian | valdyn: thanks, works now. everything seems fine, but for some reason i'm getting a 404 from my security.debian.org line on apt-get update. is this right? deb http://security.debian.org/ sid/updates main contrib non-free |
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| 10:20.32 | blubberdiblub | happyhessian, i don't think there is a separate sid/updates. sid itself is updated all the time |
| 10:20.37 | valdyn | happyhessian: sid has no security support |
| 10:20.55 | happyhessian | i suspected that might be the case. great |
| 10:21.02 | valdyn | happyhessian: any bugfix in sid goes directly into the repo |
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| 10:23.13 | larrikin | testing/InRelease has expired for mirror.optus.net .. is this affecting other mirrors ? |
| 10:23.16 | namoamitabuddha | My '/sys/class/backlight/intel_backlight |
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| 10:23.22 | namoamitabuddha | brightness is zero |
| 10:23.25 | namoamitabuddha | why? |
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| 10:23.48 | sharpk | valdyn, so confirmed (through youtube video), when changing the asound to devices 0 or 1, nothing, but @ 7, youtube otuputs sound. |
| 10:24.27 | sharpk | valdyn, though now, with the asound line, VLC won't play anything (with any 0, 1 or 7, devices set), and neither woudl rythmbox radio... |
| 10:24.36 | sharpk | quite odd... |
| 10:24.46 | jelly-home | !tell larrikin about mirror status |
| 10:25.00 | namoamitabuddha | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:25.03 | namoamitabuddha | 0 |
| 10:25.06 | namoamitabuddha | Why? |
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| 10:26.44 | blubberdiblub | sharpk, maybe youtube/flash can open a mono channel while the other 2 can't? |
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| 10:28.05 | sharpk | blubberdiblub, maybe, I'll vlc with a mono file.... |
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| 10:29.09 | blubberdiblub | sharpk, that might not help if vlc is duplicating a file with 1 channel to both channels. try looking in vlc settings for a mono/downsampling option |
| 10:29.24 | valdyn | sharpk: this device you set as default probably cannot be used by several apps at a time |
| 10:29.55 | blubberdiblub | yeah, or that, if you're trying to use it with several programs at once |
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| 10:30.28 | valdyn | sharpk: theres an automatic dmix device which does this. ( i know nothing about that ), you can also create a dmix device on top of any hw device |
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| 10:31.03 | valdyn | sharpk: but face it, sound is shit in linux before you setup pulseaudio properly ( or jack in pro sound stuff ) |
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| 10:31.34 | sharpk | valdyn, is there a howto on setting up pulseaudio properly? |
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| 10:33.17 | valdyn | !dmix |
| 10:33.17 | dpkg | dmix is an <ALSA> subsystem allowing an audio device to play multiple sound streams simultaneously, without the need for an external sound server. See http://alsa.opensrc.org/Dmix for more information. A sample asound.conf is at http://img.hexus.net/v2/features/foss/a3/images/asound.conf |
| 10:33.40 | valdyn | sharpk: its all equally tedious |
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| 10:34.02 | sharpk | I see... |
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| 10:34.29 | valdyn | sharpk: for instance. now i dont know why you vlc is broken. it might be configured to use a specific alsa device, not the default, it might be configured to use oss, it might also be configured correctly but unable to output sound because something else is occupying the device |
| 10:35.20 | blubberdiblub | or because it needs stereo by default |
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| 10:36.45 | valdyn | sharpk: you need someone who knows about hdmi, I dont. |
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| 10:44.16 | sharpk | OK, so appearantly, it will play both stereo and mono files (VLC, with monosampling turned off, the output module manually selected to ALSA audio output, and the device selected as HDA Nvidia: HDMI 0 (hw:1,7).... |
| 10:44.28 | sharpk | the reason it wouldn't play some of the files or that no sound came out was that they were too short |
| 10:44.39 | sharpk | there's a second or two delay between when I click play and when sound comes out |
| 10:44.45 | sharpk | so a 1 second file that keeps restarting is still silent |
| 10:45.31 | sharpk | it's either that, or a sample rate issue where it won't play 48000... |
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| 10:54.53 | masterkorp | apt-file is not working for me, anyone with the same problem ? |
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| 10:56.02 | jubei | hello :) Can somebody give me some advice on how to troubleshoot a cron task that doesn't appear to run? |
| 10:56.38 | jubei | i've put my script in cron.daily , I've chmod +x for everyone and I've just put a single commanding there "iptables -Z" , a command that resets the iptables quota |
| 10:56.48 | jubei | it just doesn't run and I don't know why |
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| 10:56.59 | Woet | jubei: /var/log/syslog |
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| 10:57.28 | jubei | Woet: hmm… so around the cron designated time I should check the syslog to see what happens? kk. |
| 10:57.32 | jubei | i'll try that. |
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| 10:59.42 | devour | where to go for questions about xxxterm ? |
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| 11:00.05 | Repox | Hi. How can I see what files and directories takes up the most space? |
| 11:00.14 | devour | du |
| 11:00.28 | devour | disk-usage |
| 11:00.51 | nsadmin | devour, man page? |
| 11:00.57 | nsadmin | is it a debian package? |
| 11:01.03 | nsadmin | , versions xxxterm |
| 11:01.05 | judd | Package: xxxterm on i386 -- sid: 1:1.10.0-1; wheezy: 1:1.10.0-1 |
| 11:01.18 | nsadmin | hmm. not in stable |
| 11:01.28 | devour | yea its a deb package |
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| 11:01.35 | Repox | devour: I tried this command /usr/bin/du --total --summarize --human-readable --one-file-system as it says on http://wiki.debian.org/FreeSpace - but all I get is a single dot with total space on it. |
| 11:02.07 | devour | repox : du -hcx works for me |
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| 11:02.29 | nsadmin | Repox, what/where do you want to see? |
| 11:02.45 | devour | Repox: or you can try ls and sort by size |
| 11:03.14 | Repox | nsadmin: I was here yesterday, becuase my server filled up over night. It did so again, and I can't figure out why or where the bottleneck is. |
| 11:03.33 | nsadmin | ok, |
| 11:03.44 | nsadmin | cd / ; du -s * |
| 11:03.55 | devour | is there a good howto on xxxterm and javascript ? |
| 11:04.04 | nsadmin | might want to put one-file-system on that too |
| 11:04.29 | nsadmin | how are xxxterm and javascript connected? |
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| 11:07.02 | tipone | is there anybody know, terminal base postfix control script or postfix admin etc.. which is control virtual domains or users?? |
| 11:07.04 | Repox | nsadmin: From your suggestion I got a var folder that takes 21G of space. That seems like a lot? |
| 11:07.17 | nsadmin | what level of programmer are you |
| 11:07.24 | devour | nsadmin: lol |
| 11:07.28 | nsadmin | cd /var ; du -s * |
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| 11:07.35 | devour | nsadmin: im asking the question here |
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| 11:07.56 | nsadmin | baches? |
| 11:08.21 | devour | Repox: ls -larS to sort by size |
| 11:08.23 | nsadmin | wee no neeeed no steeeenken baches |
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| 11:09.02 | project2501b | hmmm. what do you get with parallel filesystems that you do not get with distributed filesystems? |
| 11:09.32 | nsadmin | devour, well you know how this part goes... motivation to help is directly proportional to cooperation |
| 11:09.52 | devour | nsadmin: okay fyi xxxterm is a webbrowser |
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| 11:11.10 | devour | and i got the deb package of xxxterm installed but i got some issues getting it to work properly with javascript |
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| 11:11.54 | devour | and getting javascript enabled on xxxterm should be as simple as pressing ctrl-j |
| 11:12.21 | nsadmin | devour, remember first, that the browser would have to implement javascript; it's not server-side |
| 11:12.34 | project2501b | wtf why do you need javascript in an xterm? |
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| 11:12.49 | devour | yea so xxxterm has its own config directory called 'js' but its empty on install |
| 11:12.55 | jelly-home | project2501b: it's not an xterm! |
| 11:12.56 | devour | project2501b: XXXterm |
| 11:13.03 | nsadmin | it's xxxterm... porn ^W web browser |
| 11:13.08 | devour | lol |
| 11:13.46 | devour | its also a porn browser if you get javascript and plugins working |
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| 11:13.56 | jelly-home | devour: and the :js save command from their web page does not work? |
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| 11:14.36 | devour | yes it does display the configuration settings |
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| 11:15.10 | devour | but first i got to get javascript properly installed in the right places im assuming |
| 11:15.12 | Repox | nsadmin: Well, by using the command you showed me, I ended up in /var/spool/postfix/deferred as my bottleneck taking up 16G of space. A quick google search lead me to here http://www.postfix.org/QSHAPE_README.html#dictionary_bounce - but with no solution. |
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| 11:15.47 | nsadmin | Repox, that;s mail... someone using you to spam? |
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| 11:16.12 | devour | what is an alternative to google ? it seems scroogle is offline .... |
| 11:16.26 | Repox | nsadmin: I hope not - I'm the only one hosted on it? |
| 11:16.28 | nsadmin | altavista? |
| 11:16.38 | jelly-home | Repox: inspect the mail queue and decide a) whether you need to deliver the messages b) where they come from |
| 11:16.45 | FDFlock | hello. I remember using SSHFS (a FUSE-based filesystem allowing the mounting of remote directories over SSH) years ago. It was quite stable back then. Is it still under active development, or at least actively maintained? |
| 11:16.49 | FDFlock | is installing it right now, hoping that it will replace the extremely buggy "Remote Systems Explorer" Eclipse plugin... |
| 11:16.58 | nsadmin | Repox, howbout you take the mail server off of it for now |
| 11:17.03 | devour | altavista is not an option no im searching for an search engine that is like scroogle |
| 11:17.05 | jelly-home | Repox: read the manuals for: postqueue, postsuper |
| 11:17.10 | nsadmin | just to see if that stops your current problem |
| 11:17.27 | jelly-home | Repox: and postcat to take a look at a message |
| 11:17.28 | Woet | devour: very odd question, but why not google itself? |
| 11:17.43 | nsadmin | and while you get a chance to catch your breath, read those things :) |
| 11:18.06 | Repox | Taking notes ;) |
| 11:18.19 | nsadmin | devour, try putting "search engine like scroogle" into google |
| 11:18.29 | devour | Woet: okay especially for you : i want a search engine that does not in any way store my queries not my ip |
| 11:18.43 | Woet | devour: lol, are you wearing tinfoil hats too? |
| 11:18.43 | ksuhku | devour, scroogle threw the towel in |
| 11:18.43 | devour | simple |
| 11:18.59 | devour | ksuhku: yea ... :( |
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| 11:19.16 | nsadmin | he seems more the tinfoil body suit... gotta keep those space aliens out... |
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| 11:19.27 | devour | ksuhku: so what you using then instead of scroogle ? |
| 11:19.39 | ksuhku | devour, i'm using duckduckgo and ixquick |
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| 11:19.47 | Woet | devour: you can awesome things like bing |
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| 11:20.01 | Woet | you won't actually find things but at least they don't store your ip! |
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| 11:20.16 | FDFlock | devour: Can't you use Google using Tor or something like that? (no experience with such things) |
| 11:20.38 | ksuhku | bung = micro$oft |
| 11:20.38 | nsadmin | devour, http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=search+engine+like+scroogle&ei=UTF-8 |
| 11:21.21 | arinov | i want to add network printer in kde and i dont see any option "windows printer over SMB network" or something |
| 11:21.25 | jelly-home | FDFlock: sshfs is still alive, aight |
| 11:21.28 | Woet | top result for "alternatives to scroogle": Google |
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| 11:22.41 | arinov | what packages i need to install to enable other options in printer configuration application? |
| 11:22.46 | jelly-home | ,versions sshfs |
| 11:22.47 | judd | Package: sshfs on i386 -- lenny: 2.1-1; squeeze: 2.2-1; sid: 2.3-1; wheezy: 2.3-1 |
| 11:22.55 | jelly-home | FDFlock: http://sourceforge.net/projects/fuse/files/sshfs-fuse/ |
| 11:24.26 | bullgard4 | How to save a session? 'man gnome-session': "When saving a session , the program gnome-session saves the currently running applications in the directory $XDG_CONFIG_HOME/gnome-session/saved-session." |
| 11:24.27 | FDFlock | jelly-home: Thx for the response! Quite a gap between the releases (and the homepage seemed almost dead, without news etc.), but it's good to know it's still maintained! |
| 11:24.41 | FDFlock | SSHFS rocks :) |
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| 11:25.34 | Repox | nsadmin: I decided to go with deleting everything in the queue. How can I find out if someone is using my mailserver for spamming? |
| 11:25.52 | Repox | nsadmin: I'm thinking logs and stuff. |
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| 11:27.11 | nsadmin | if you just use rm to delete, you could possibly and temporarily damage the queues; it shouldn't be hard to fix if that happens |
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| 11:27.31 | Repox | nsadmin: I'm using postsuper to empte the mail queue... |
| 11:27.38 | Repox | empty* even... |
| 11:27.41 | nsadmin | if you use the postfix tools to remove them, you should be fine |
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| 11:27.59 | nsadmin | ok, so verify step, rerun: |
| 11:28.16 | nsadmin | cd /var; du -s * |
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| 11:29.03 | nsadmin | it could also be your mail server is looping on itself which would mean it's not configured right |
| 11:29.21 | Repox | looping on itself? |
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| 11:31.06 | nsadmin | whaere's that devor dude |
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| 11:34.56 | nsadmin | Repox, you have to get a lot of different settings right on a mail server |
| 11:35.53 | nsadmin | if one thing says "a.com is local" and another thing does not say "accept mail for a.com" that might cause a loop |
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| 11:46.56 | Milos | So I was installing something on a friend's instance of debian linux, and it said something about a size mismatch when it was fetching a deb package. |
| 11:47.01 | Milos | It said to use --fix-missing, so I did, and then it worked. |
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| 11:47.10 | Milos | What does this mean exactly - should I be worried? |
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| 11:49.08 | Repox | nsadmin: A little log scanning showed me that a lot of mails has been deffered, trying to send to yahoo.com, gmail.com and alot of other unknown domains. I'm unsure how they got in, but thats probably a different question... |
| 11:49.51 | jelly-home | Repox: and a more interesting question, too. |
| 11:51.45 | Repox | jelly-home: Agreed - Could you take a look at this log paste: http://pastebin.com/FGBzEAri I'm unsure as to what to do... |
| 11:52.01 | nsadmin | well you can deal with that whole thing right now, or (my suggestion) shut down the mail server until you do want to deal with it |
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| 11:52.53 | nsadmin | the most important question for your responsibility as a mail admin, is "are these emails reaching their dest" |
| 11:53.06 | nsadmin | and if yes, that could be trouble |
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| 11:53.32 | Repox | nsadmin: Well, they probably do, sadly. But I don't know how/why they are able to send through my mail server. |
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| 11:54.06 | nsadmin | but you have a choice, you don't even have to deal with any of those questions now if you keep the mail server completely stopped for the moment |
| 11:54.22 | jelly-home | Repox: pick a queue id, like "130611B2741". Search the mail.log for the first occurence and find out where it came from and how. Use "postcat -q ..." to extract the message from the queue for more details. |
| 11:54.34 | nsadmin | maybe a review of your ISP TOS is in order as well |
| 11:54.36 | Repox | nsadmin: I stopped it now... |
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| 11:54.56 | Mikey2 | Hey |
| 11:55.09 | nsadmin | then you can breathe easy while you figure out what's going on |
| 11:55.17 | Mikey2 | I use debian squeeze on my netbook conected to a 18 inch monitor |
| 11:55.23 | nsadmin | maybe you should read the mails that are trying to get out |
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| 11:55.33 | Mikey2 | How do I get it to set my resolution right on reboot? |
| 11:55.47 | Mikey2 | I need to set my resolution each time I restart |
| 11:56.00 | nsadmin | goot name for a band... Right On Reboot! |
| 11:56.21 | Mikey2 | :D |
| 11:56.47 | Repox | nsadmin: Well, first couple of mails was spam for datingsites... |
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| 11:57.14 | Repox | great... |
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| 11:57.23 | nsadmin | yeah, someone has evidently determined that you are an open relay |
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| 11:57.28 | alex- | Debian is available for ARM, right? |
| 11:57.45 | nsadmin | ohly right ARM |
| 11:58.04 | nsadmin | seriously :) I think so |
| 11:58.07 | jelly-home | Repox: if you determined the mail is unwanted, you just need to find out why is your server accepting it, and disallow that |
| 11:58.20 | jelly-home | !tell alex- about arm |
| 11:58.34 | Repox | nsadmin: Well, my knowledge on that part isn't that great... I've installed Virtualmin and hoped that a basic setup would be somewhat secure. |
| 11:59.10 | alex- | I'm running another distro, which is based on Debian (only some packages changed and added a Web UI) (but you also can install the packages on debian). Is there any way this can be ported easy to ARM? |
| 11:59.12 | nsadmin | Repox, you're good at this moment... you've stopped it |
| 11:59.15 | jelly-home | Repox: hire an admin or a consultant to set up the mail server to your needs, then |
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| 11:59.44 | nsadmin | yeah, if your server's making some money you should do that |
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| 11:59.52 | Mikey2 | Guys, any idea? |
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| 12:00.03 | jelly-home | Repox: there's usually people in #postfix channel willing to offer services like that |
| 12:00.28 | Repox | My server isn't making money... :) I'm hosting my private website and a couple of sites for my family... :p |
| 12:01.09 | nsadmin | Repox, one question we should have asked long ago... do you want mail functionality? |
| 12:01.25 | nsadmin | at least wrt this domain |
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| 12:02.34 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey peeps can somebody hgelp me with my sudo config? |
| 12:02.42 | Repox | nsadmin: Yes - my ISP doesn't provide me with access to SMTP, so I have to find one myself. Having my own domain, it seemed reasonable to setup mail functionality. |
| 12:02.43 | Eryn_1983_FL | http://sprunge.us/QcAL |
| 12:03.52 | nsadmin | Eryn_1983_FL, one question that the helper will have, is exactly how do you want sudo to behave and what's it doing now that you don't want |
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| 12:04.13 | Eryn_1983_FL | its not working at all.. |
| 12:04.18 | Eryn_1983_FL | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:04.25 | Eryn_1983_FL | i am running 1.7.4 i believe |
| 12:04.34 | nsadmin | when you type sudo whatever, it says? |
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| 12:04.47 | Eryn_1983_FL | Sudo version 1.7.4p4 |
| 12:04.51 | nsadmin | which debian? |
| 12:04.53 | Eryn_1983_FL | it dosnt work at all |
| 12:04.56 | Eryn_1983_FL | squeeze |
| 12:05.06 | Eryn_1983_FL | its erroring let me grab em |
| 12:05.34 | nsadmin | I'm just gathering info that you should also keep track of |
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| 12:06.14 | Eryn_1983_FL | http://sprunge.us/PGeY |
| 12:07.08 | jelly-home | Repox: it's reasonable, but requires knowledge of protocols and best practices |
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| 12:07.17 | nsadmin | what exactly do you type to get that output |
| 12:07.26 | Hyppias | Samba question: http://pastebin.com/EK9CGc1D |
| 12:07.37 | Eryn_1983_FL | sudo |
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| 12:07.55 | Eryn_1983_FL | i think i found it |
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| 12:08.02 | Eryn_1983_FL | i had no space on the user_aliases |
| 12:08.07 | Eryn_1983_FL | trying some more |
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| 12:09.10 | nsadmin | all I have to do is say "I'm gathering info about your problem" and this causes you to find the problem :) |
| 12:09.53 | nsadmin | if that fixed it, congratulations |
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| 12:11.33 | Eryn_1983_FL | yeah it don't like dashes in them either |
| 12:11.59 | nsadmin | so... fixed? |
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| 12:12.16 | Eryn_1983_FL | trying more code now |
| 12:12.19 | Eryn_1983_FL | doing a bit at a time |
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| 12:13.59 | nsadmin | any part of it working? |
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| 12:14.11 | Eryn_1983_FL | some of the aliieses |
| 12:14.17 | Eryn_1983_FL | i just found naother issue i think... |
| 12:14.35 | Eryn_1983_FL | i can't paste into the kvm guest from the virt-manager |
| 12:14.46 | Eryn_1983_FL | so i got to reboot to normal mode and ssh in |
| 12:14.47 | Mikey2 | Anyone on how to set my resolution on boot? |
| 12:14.52 | nsadmin | well this is really good... you're digging in and finding all the problems and fixing em yourself |
| 12:15.00 | Eryn_1983_FL | lol |
| 12:15.16 | nsadmin | serious! that's a really good accomplishment |
| 12:16.00 | Eryn_1983_FL | thanks |
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| 13:13.32 | zxd | hi |
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| 13:19.22 | petemc | Hyppias: /usr/sbin/a2enmod |
| 13:20.42 | Hyppias | yep |
| 13:20.51 | patrik83 | Hi, does anybody know where should be created directory ( root for pseudo filesystem) for nfs directory structure according to the filesystem hierarchy standard ? As a client it is /mnt where I would mount all that stuff, but what about a host ? /srv/nfs ? Thank you very much. |
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| 13:27.29 | die7 | I have some issues with dpms, monitor goes off even if I set it in power-management and disable screensaver, i solved with entries (xset) in gdm init script, who knows something about? |
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| 13:33.55 | patrik83 | die7: i am not really sure it is about screensaver. There should be possible to set timeout for turning off monitor and set it to never or equivalent. |
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| 13:34.50 | die7 | sure but it's not work for me properly |
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| 13:36.27 | die7 | patrik83, also settings in powermangment d'not help like turning screensaver off |
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| 13:36.58 | die7 | patrik83, only way was to avoid it with xset commands |
| 13:37.08 | patrik83 | die7: Unfortunatelly, that is all i can tell you. One of many reasons why I use fluxbox over kde, gnome and so on. I know, not very helpfull for you case. |
| 13:37.43 | patrik83 | die7: well, if you can use xset and it works, then just bind some key or combination of keys to the command. |
| 13:38.14 | patrik83 | die7: it is rather workaround than proper solution, but at least it works. |
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| 13:39.37 | BCMM | anybody know what happend to the skype repo for debian? i get 404s when i aptitude update |
| 13:39.54 | nsadmin | skypo? |
| 13:40.03 | BCMM | (i know people really shouldn't be using skype and all that. sadly, it's a requirement for this install) |
| 13:40.19 | die7 | patrik83, that's true it's work also with my workaround (adding xset to disable dpms) in gmd script , but still it should not be |
| 13:40.26 | BCMM | or are unofficial repos offtopic? |
| 13:40.46 | patrik83 | BCMM: first of all , people should use what they want. ;) |
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| 13:40.59 | nsadmin | not sure... I'd say it constitutes support |
| 13:40.59 | giu | ciao a tutti!!!!!1 |
| 13:41.13 | nsadmin | is he gonna list? |
| 13:41.14 | giu | !list |
| 13:41.14 | dpkg | giu: È possibile di scaricare un sacco di software libero puntando il tuo browser a http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-6.0.4-amd64-i386-netinst.iso ! |
| 13:41.25 | nsadmin | he did! he did list! |
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| 13:42.05 | nsadmin | how big is the multiarch netinst? |
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| 13:42.56 | Demorion | Hello all |
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| 13:43.47 | gnugr | die7: i'm not sure but you also have to check in /etc/X11/xorg.conf for dpms option |
| 13:44.31 | BCMM | nsadmin: haha, people that do !list actually get a list of software they can download? |
| 13:44.49 | nsadmin | on warez channels, yes |
| 13:44.57 | BCMM | nsadmin: no, i mean here |
| 13:45.04 | nsadmin | might as well give them a choice |
| 13:45.06 | BCMM | on #gentoo they just get an botkick |
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| 13:45.15 | BCMM | nsadmin: yeah, i think it's pretty cool |
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| 13:45.36 | die7 | gnugr, I dont have xorg.conf |
| 13:46.07 | nsadmin | not exist xorg.conf -> normal |
| 13:46.39 | nsadmin | if you want one, the server will autodetect and write one out for you |
| 13:48.07 | Iridos | BCMM, /msg dpkg literal list |
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| 13:48.36 | die7 | nsadmin, cool let's see , but I just find strange that dpms ignore powermanagement and screensaver setting |
| 13:48.58 | BCMM | Iridos: but why italian? are the people that !list always italian here? |
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| 13:51.56 | nsadmin | die7, if you'd like to see what you get, (you may have to stop x and xdm) try x -configure |
| 13:52.26 | cos^ | hello. what would be the best way to install libraries in debian/rules so that they go to correct lib directory (/usr/lib or /usr/lib64 depending on system)? |
| 13:52.45 | die7 | nsadmin, xdm not available on my system |
| 13:52.48 | Iridos | BCMM, yeah... seems to be an italian thing... btw, we could move this to #debian-offtopic |
| 13:52.50 | nsadmin | BCMM, I was kinda wondering that myself... it's been a good 6-9 months now |
| 13:53.00 | cos^ | or is there a better channel for asking packaging questions? |
| 13:53.09 | nsadmin | die7, replace that with whatever-dm |
| 13:53.14 | BCMM | Iridos: nah it's ok, i'll shut up now. btw, are unofficial debian repos on-topic? |
| 13:53.21 | die7 | nsadmin, ;) |
| 13:54.09 | nsadmin | cos^, you can try here, debian-user@lists.debian.org, debian-mentors@l.d.o, #debian-mentors on oftcf |
| 13:54.24 | nsadmin | -f$ |
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| 13:55.36 | davidgul | hi guys |
| 13:56.34 | davidgul | How can i start my VM automatically when debian started ? |
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| 13:59.01 | Iridos | BCMM, depends... usually people come here because the packages from there are crap and break their system in interesting ways... as nobody want's to deal with that... |
| 13:59.51 | BCMM | Iridos: i'm mainly wondering if the skype one has just gone... yes, i know it's not debian's problem that everything about skype on linux routinely gets neglected |
| 14:00.57 | nsadmin | davidgul, look at /etc/init.d/skeleton |
| 14:00.58 | Iridos | no idea... jelly and thewanderer1 tried to install it yesterday, so I guess it was there |
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| 14:03.19 | patrik83 | Hi, does anybody know where should be created directory ( root for pseudo filesystem) for nfs directory structure according to the filesystem hierarchy standard ? As a client it is /mnt where I would mount all that stuff, but what about a host ? /srv/nfs ? Thank you very much. |
| 14:03.45 | Iridos | dpkg webcam |
| 14:03.46 | dpkg | For webcam device support in Debian, ask me about <gspca>, <uvcvideo>. See also <quickcam>, <ov51x-jpeg>, <ov511>, <m560x-driver>, <w9968cf>, <pwc>, <sn9c20x>. http://wiki.debian.org/Webcam |
| 14:04.01 | davidgul | nsadmin : what i need to do with this file ? |
| 14:04.03 | nsadmin | patrik83, decide on a place... you could call it /my-nfs |
| 14:04.38 | nsadmin | davidgul, copy it to /etc/init.d/nameofyourvm |
| 14:04.41 | nsadmin | then edit |
| 14:05.01 | nsadmin | once it's done make sure you can start and stop your vm with it |
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| 14:05.08 | jpinx | why is it that when I make a .iso it is much bigger than the original ? |
| 14:05.30 | Iridos | haha... Error retrieving bug reports from the server with the following error message: W: bad URI(absolute but no path): wpad:// |
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| 14:05.39 | nsadmin | maybe theoriginal .iso is in the dir? |
| 14:05.44 | patrik83 | nsadmin: yes, i know, i am just wondering what it would be according to the linux filesystem hierarchy standard . |
| 14:05.54 | jpinx | nsadmin: checked that ;) |
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| 14:06.19 | patrik83 | nsadmin: if there are any common rules about this ... |
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| 14:06.25 | Iridos | something wrong with the bts or why is apt-listbugs complaining |
| 14:07.10 | nsadmin | patrik83, I'm useless for that. read the standard... I say, figure a place that makes sense (somewhere off the / partition) and go for that |
| 14:07.50 | patrik83 | nsadmin: I have read the standard but no clue anyway . :) |
| 14:08.15 | patrik83 | nsadmin: i am gonna stick with your suggestion. |
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| 14:08.23 | nsadmin | how many local disk filesystems do you have |
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| 14:08.24 | nsadmin | ? |
| 14:09.33 | patrik83 | nsadmin: It is a laptop used as a server with external storage. |
| 14:09.55 | davidgul | some one can help me to run my VM automatically when debian is started |
| 14:10.51 | jpinx | nsadmin: answerd my own questions - silly me - it's an iso of the whole device of the usb stick the filesystem was sitting on :/ |
| 14:11.13 | abrotman | !tell davidgul about run at startup |
| 14:11.31 | nsadmin | patrik83, I'd say add a new mount point off of / because you want the mount point to be present when you go to mount it |
| 14:11.38 | nsadmin | and of course you want the net up |
| 14:12.36 | Iridos | patrik83, I don't see anything either... I agree that /srv would come closest... btw, as a client you wouldn't necessarily mount under /mnt - often the complete /home is mounted via nfs |
| 14:12.57 | nsadmin | jpinx, ahh :) didn' texspect that one :) |
| 14:13.29 | Iridos | patrik83, but seems to make even more sense to put it ouside the hirarchy |
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| 14:14.09 | jpinx | nsadmin: 'twas the easiest way to make the .iso with dd, but wasted a bit of space - ne'er mind - thanks :) |
| 14:14.09 | patrik83 | nsadmin: the laptop is used as access point, dns, kerberos, ldap in progress, ssh, ftp, webserver and so on. It is all working just fine at the moment, but exports has been made. |
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| 14:15.15 | patrik83 | Iridos: I might offer /home for clients either. I am just playing with it now and slowly getting into it. |
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| 14:16.17 | nsadmin | patrik83, you're eventually going to want to replace that laptop :) |
| 14:16.59 | patrik83 | Iridos: I am happy that i am not blind, when you actually confirming that there is no specific place for nfs root and could be the root for nfs place outside the hierarchy. :) |
| 14:17.00 | davidgul | abrotman : so i need to build my own script to start VM in startup ? |
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| 14:17.16 | patrik83 | nsadmin: why if i may ask you ? |
| 14:17.20 | jpinx | patrik83: backups dude ;) sounds like you're heading into rocky waters ;) |
| 14:18.08 | nsadmin | patrik83, well if it's serving multiple people, that's going to take its toll... if the multiple people are (say) sales staff, they're going to be baning on it a lot |
| 14:18.15 | nsadmin | banging |
| 14:18.21 | patrik83 | jpinx: incremental backups are done on daily basis by my scripts. that was the first thing. :) |
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| 14:19.28 | EvOoX- | Hello there :) |
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| 14:20.09 | DatJGuy | I need some help |
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| 14:20.33 | dvs | !ask |
| 14:20.33 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 14:21.09 | lapsusbrutus | !rtl8168f |
| 14:21.13 | nsadmin | abrotman, I suggested to davidgul he should copy /etc/init.d/skeleton to /etc/init.d/something and edit something |
| 14:21.33 | patrik83 | nsadmin: I am not going to serve many people, just familly and few friends and it is more likely about getting into it or studying than anything serious. :) So i hope, this laptop can stand it up. To be honest, it is finally doing something. :) |
| 14:22.36 | nsadmin | patrik83, oh, well, sounds lighter than a commercial/professional/production load |
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| 14:23.52 | nsadmin | DatJGuy, |
| 14:23.55 | patrik83 | nsadmin: much lighter, it is some kind of replacement for NAS storage. But better I hope. ;) |
| 14:23.57 | nsadmin | !sicco |
| 14:23.57 | dpkg | Please ask sicco questions, questions that are Specific, Informative, Concise, Complete, and On-topic. Ask me about <research> and <cooperation in asking for help>. |
| 14:24.09 | syslq_ | What is recommended backup sw available on debian? |
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| 14:25.03 | patrik83 | Thank you very much indeed, guys. All of you. Going to set it up and see what it can do. :) |
| 14:25.51 | nsadmin | patrik83, have lots of fun... and at least 51% away from electronics :) |
| 14:26.19 | Iridos | zim23444, it was all rather obvious or autoconfiguring... I think motion does about the same as zoneminder |
| 14:26.21 | patrik83 | nsadmin: :D thanks |
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| 14:29.17 | jpinx | patrik83: my toshibe T8000 PIII did what you're doing some years ago - it is all possible |
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| 14:32.00 | DatJGuy | Are there any channels specific to mail servers? |
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| 14:32.23 | Woet | DatJGuy: #whichevermailserveryouuse |
| 14:32.33 | Woet | you got #exim, you got #sendmail, etc. |
| 14:32.37 | DatJGuy | well, I don't use one. that's the thing. |
| 14:32.46 | DatJGuy | I'm trying to setup a fully functioning mailserver. |
| 14:33.09 | Woet | pick one and go for it :) |
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| 14:33.18 | Woet | http://shearer.org/MTA_Comparison |
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| 14:35.03 | patrik83 | jpinx: thanks and to be honest i am not surprised. In my case it is thinkpad with core i7 and still doing nothing. :D Once we finally move to some house (hopefully soon) , i will build my own server and I hope to just transfer most of the configuration files or at least it wont take me so much time to get it working. That is my hope. :) |
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| 14:41.02 | jpinx | patrik83: sounds like you're on the case ;) Good luck and keep us posted :) |
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| 14:44.36 | patrik83 | jpinx: thanks. ;) |
| 14:44.45 | laite | hi, is it generally safe to update stable debian to testing by switching repos? |
| 14:45.27 | laite | as in 'will my computer work after that' kind of way :) |
| 14:45.59 | AimHere | laite, look into using 'apt-get dist-upgrade', which I think involves switching repos |
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| 14:47.41 | laite | AimHere: thanks, I'll look into that |
| 14:47.50 | nameless` | hellow ! |
| 14:47.58 | dvs | high |
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| 14:48.27 | abrotman | !tell laite about squeeze->wheezy |
| 14:48.53 | abrotman | laite: and it may or may not work .. that's kind of how testing works .. generally it should work, but somteing may be broken |
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| 14:49.56 | dokma | when I log in via SSH into a BASH shell I get 'find: `/var/www/.libreoffice/3': Permission denied' |
| 14:50.02 | optraz | where is the settings to configure so when my computer idle, it wont goes into sleep mode? (becuase when it is in sleep mode, the netowrk disconnected which i do *not* want that to happen) |
| 14:50.11 | dokma | am I right assuming that this must be caused by some BASH startup scripts? |
| 14:50.26 | dokma | like .bashrc |
| 14:50.36 | abrotman | or one in /etc/ that is also read |
| 14:51.10 | nsadmin | dokma, look in some of those and see |
| 14:51.12 | laite | abrotman: I've used to that in my times with arch linux, and I'm prepared to little fixing every now and then :P |
| 14:51.24 | laite | thanks for warning, though |
| 14:51.26 | dokma | I've checked the ones in ~ |
| 14:51.32 | dokma | I'll go check in /etc/ |
| 14:51.59 | abrotman | laite: and you'll need to learn how to navigate teh BTS |
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| 14:58.31 | nameless` | if i want to install mail, i just have to install heirloom-mailx right ? no postfix or anything else needed ? |
| 14:58.40 | nameless` | to send mail* |
| 14:58.49 | nameless` | if i want to send mail* |
| 14:58.55 | abrotman | nameless`: uhm .. depends .. |
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| 14:59.17 | abrotman | nameless`: if you mean have a mail program, sure, but if you want to send email to/through other systems, you'd need some sort of smtp server |
| 14:59.37 | abrotman | nameless`: perhaps you sohuld give more details about what you'd like to do? |
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| 15:01.01 | nameless` | i want sudo to be able to send mail to my admin each time a password fail, i've got a fully running mail architecture (postfix, dovecot etc.) in a linux-vserver container but i want to send mail from fail sudo from my host machine |
| 15:01.22 | nameless` | so i guess i must configure the address of the mail server in the MAILRC ? |
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| 15:01.40 | abrotman | nameless`: try using something like ssmtp and sending mail to your regular mail system |
| 15:01.46 | abrotman | or nullmailer |
| 15:01.52 | DatJGuy | What's the best mailserver for debian? |
| 15:01.59 | abrotman | DatJGuy: best for what? |
| 15:02.13 | DatJGuy | outgoing and incoming mail externaly |
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| 15:02.24 | nameless` | DatJGuy: i'm pretty happy with postfix, it does all i need |
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| 15:02.31 | nameless` | abrotman: nullmailer ? |
| 15:02.36 | DatJGuy | thanks |
| 15:02.37 | abrotman | nameless`: apt-cache show nullmailer |
| 15:02.45 | nameless` | ok |
| 15:02.48 | nameless` | thank you :) |
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| 15:04.55 | hid3 | Hello everyone. I would like to run a log collecting server on one of my Debian boxes. The server should be able to accept logs via syslog protocol, store them accordingly IP adresses which were got from and probably send e-mail warning for critical events. Any software recommended for that? |
| 15:04.56 | nameless` | abrotman: at dpkg configuration it asks me for domain name of the system which runs nullmailer, what is it intented to be ? why does it need this ? |
| 15:05.21 | abrotman | nameless`: so your real mail server knows where the mail is coming from ? |
| 15:05.37 | nameless` | abrotman: ah yes of course |
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| 15:05.53 | nameless` | for the mailfrom |
| 15:06.19 | optraz | where is the settings to configure so when my computer idle, it wont goes into sleep mode? (becuase when it is in sleep mode, the netowrk disconnected which i do *not* want that to happen) |
| 15:06.54 | Whiskey | Anyone good on bash trap? |
| 15:07.22 | nsadmin | if you see a bash trap... duck! |
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| 15:08.23 | nsadmin | seriously... check #bash, and be polite focused and listen |
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| 15:09.35 | Whiskey | :D |
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| 15:20.45 | davidgul | hi guys |
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| 15:22.32 | davidgul | how can i make a luncher start with debian automatically ? |
| 15:23.28 | engla | davidgul: depends on session/DE |
| 15:24.03 | davidgul | what you meen ? |
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| 15:24.59 | echofish | Hi, I just installed Debian, but there are no network settings or anything here. Is this normal? |
| 15:25.11 | davidgul | and if i wont start this comand VBoxHeadless -s "win7" what i need to do ? |
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| 15:27.08 | davidgul | some one ?? |
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| 15:29.30 | jelly-home | Iridos: fwiw, skype works today |
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| 15:36.19 | dokma | anyone knows how to save Eterm buffer? |
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| 15:41.52 | DatJGuy | Hmm |
| 15:42.00 | DatJGuy | Outgoing mail seems to work pretty fine. |
| 15:42.21 | DatJGuy | Not sure how to set it up in my iphone |
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| 15:56.58 | hid3 | Does Debian have any certification system like Redhat does? |
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| 16:00.20 | Iridos | don't think so... it's also not a company |
| 16:00.37 | hid3 | Will it ever have one? :( |
| 16:00.42 | Iridos | jelly-home, \o/ |
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| 16:01.09 | hid3 | I feel experienced and I need to have a certificate. Why do I need to get RH instead of anything else just to prove I'm exparienced? |
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| 16:01.39 | ksuhku | davidgul, using gnome? |
| 16:01.50 | Iridos | the only factoid we have on that points to http://www.lpi.org/linux-certifications/programs/ |
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| 16:04.26 | Iridos | hid3, did you find http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:iUlF4Yt_5tUJ:forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php%3Ft%3D36885 |
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| 16:04.43 | Iridos | well, 2009 |
| 16:04.45 | Silent | Hey folks |
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| 16:04.56 | Iridos | so by debian standards that thread is practially from yesterday :P |
| 16:05.28 | Knaldgas | Just upgraded from squeeze to wheezy - How to get squeeze default desktop back? |
| 16:05.37 | Silent | Could anyone explain me how can I run a VBox VM as a system service upon bootup? |
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| 16:06.02 | Silent | Actually not even a service, just run a command would be fine too. |
| 16:06.21 | Iridos | dpkg, tell Silent about run at startup |
| 16:06.51 | Silent | Thanks Iridos and gpkg ^.^ |
| 16:06.59 | Silent | dpkg* |
| 16:07.32 | Silent | Oh I've tried that but it failed |
| 16:07.44 | Iridos | and I wouldn't have even thought of @reboot as a user... that's a pretty cool option, though |
| 16:07.53 | braintorch | Hello. I have xen 4.0 running on top of debian squeeze. When I plug in new sata drive dom0 doesn't see it until reboot. Any guesses where I should dig for? There're no messages in syslog when I plugging drive in. |
| 16:07.55 | hid3 | In short, looks like RH cert is the only way to go |
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| 16:08.29 | Iridos | looks like |
| 16:08.39 | Silent | I've tried that - http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/linux-how-to-run-a-command-when-boots-up.html |
| 16:08.45 | Silent | But it just says it failed. |
| 16:08.52 | hid3 | I hate those yums rpms and that stupid environment :( |
| 16:09.05 | Silent | I used "sudo -u rex ~whatever~ &&" |
| 16:09.09 | Iridos | indeed |
| 16:09.38 | Iridos | and I haven't used redhad stuff and rpm for perhaps 10 years |
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| 16:10.14 | idimmu | hid3: if a cert gets you the job, its probably not a good job, and only a requirement as the company gets to tell it's client "we have x RHCEs on hand to save the day" |
| 16:10.39 | hid3 | no, it's not about the job at all |
| 16:10.49 | idimmu | as such LPI certs arent really worth that much as customers dont know what they are |
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| 16:11.15 | hid3 | but still, in such a stupid country I live in, a cert might give you a HUGE benefit among other candidates when applying for a job |
| 16:11.39 | idimmu | what country is that? |
| 16:11.45 | hid3 | I live with mind that a cert might not hurt, that's my idea |
| 16:11.49 | hid3 | Lithuania it is |
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| 16:12.06 | idimmu | all the RHCEs ive interviewed sucked and didnt get jobs |
| 16:12.32 | hid3 | Probably because they know all what involved RHCE exam, that's all |
| 16:12.37 | idimmu | yup |
| 16:12.45 | idimmu | if you want to make sure youre hirable |
| 16:12.52 | hid3 | but what if you know/have more skills than that? |
| 16:13.01 | idimmu | just check out the job boards and see what skills are most required |
| 16:13.29 | Silent | How do I make cron run a command at boot? |
| 16:13.42 | hid3 | Well, here they require you to have Master degree, be around 25-28 years old and have previous experience at least 5 years at a serious job. nonsens |
| 16:13.43 | Silent | Is it just "crontab -e" ? |
| 16:13.55 | hid3 | @reboot is the reboot command |
| 16:13.59 | idimmu | hid3: get that then :) |
| 16:14.09 | idimmu | what are you going for? snr sys admin!? |
| 16:14.13 | Silent | @reboot ~whatever~ will make ~whatever~ run at boot? |
| 16:14.15 | hid3 | idimmu: oooh, please don't open that can of worms! :) |
| 16:14.34 | hid3 | @reboot [user] ~whatever~ I believe |
| 16:14.41 | hid3 | you can place it in /etc/cron.d |
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| 16:14.50 | hid3 | or use crontab -e for specific user |
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| 16:14.53 | Silent | hid3 thanks |
| 16:14.55 | hid3 | then skip the [user] |
| 16:14.59 | Silent | :) |
| 16:15.00 | idimmu | cron deosnt run commands at 'boot' |
| 16:15.03 | hid3 | I like /etc/cron.d |
| 16:15.14 | idimmu | cron runs commands at scheduled times of day |
| 16:15.16 | Silent | idimmu login? |
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| 16:15.32 | hid3 | them what does the "@reboot" do in cron? |
| 16:15.35 | hid3 | *then |
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| 16:16.11 | idimmu | oh thats cool |
| 16:16.31 | hid3 | It might sound cool but the real thing is to do an init.d script |
| 16:16.37 | hid3 | It's much better IMHO |
| 16:16.41 | idimmu | aye |
| 16:16.46 | idimmu | thats the direction i was heading in |
| 16:16.54 | hid3 | personally I don't use the @reboot and cron to start something |
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| 16:18.55 | hid3 | Okay. Any suggestions for software to make a remote syslog server, which separates log files by directories (IP adresses/hosts it got from). Possibly with a simple web interface and critical log notification system? |
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| 16:26.10 | FDFlock | hid3: no idea, but wouldn't remote syslogging be somewhat unsafe? Imagine something going wrong; chances are that the remote connection will stop working as well.... |
| 16:27.33 | braintorch | hid3: Okay. Any suggestions for software to make a remote syslog server, which separates log files by directories (IP adresses/hosts it got from). Possibly with a simple web interface and critical log notification system? << syslog-ng maybe? |
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| 16:44.22 | Iridos | hid3, reboot is pretty cool if you want to start stuff as a regular user who can access cron, though |
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| 16:54.35 | reihu | Hi, I've got some pulseaudio issues on debian wheezy: I connected two 5.1 USB sound cards (ID: 0d8c:0102). One of them works fine but the second one I plug in is only shown as stereo device in pavucontrol. "pulseaudio -vv": http://pastebin.com/CAr81PuW "pactl list": http://pastebin.com/hWkB6K0X |
| 16:55.59 | reihu | I already asked in #pulseaudio but noone answered. I'd really appreciate any hints :) |
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| 16:59.10 | jazz264 | Need some help here : http://stackoverflow.com/questions/9656866/debian-mirror-growing-continuesly |
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| 17:00.01 | jazz264 | can anybody suggest a good resource to learn about Debian mirror administration ? |
| 17:00.31 | bzed | jazz264: either use debmirror or the official scripts |
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| 17:01.31 | jazz264 | @bzed Can you elaborate please? I want to confirm if the mirror is deleting unwanted old files. |
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| 17:02.40 | Masroor | Hello |
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| 17:04.56 | reihu | Masroor, simply ask your question ;) |
| 17:06.15 | Masroor | i am moving to debian i want to know that i have to download all dvd's/cd's or just first and install it? |
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| 17:06.56 | ompaul | Masroor: have you got (A) a wired connection to the internet and (B) good bandwidth?> |
| 17:07.26 | lapsusbrutus | mount.nfs: access denied by server while mounting 192.168.1.2:/lol got user @ server, same pw too.. /ext3storage/lol/ 192.168.1.10(rw) 192.168.1.11(rw) <this is exports file |
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| 17:08.18 | Masroor | don't know it's in between have 4mbps internet connection have bandwidth limit :( |
| 17:08.32 | lapsusbrutus | ip:/ext3storage..etc typo |
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| 17:11.08 | ompaul | Masroor: if I had that I would just download the first cd. note you can get gnome (cd 1) or kde / lxde or fvwm cds - if you want something else you will go for the slightly slower version of net install cd |
| 17:11.30 | ompaul | Masroor: make sure you are wired for your install - it makes life so much easier |
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| 17:15.05 | Masroor | i can download dvd but i have to install it from USB, can you tell how can i install it via internet? i have downloaded net install cd |
| 17:16.12 | qmr | is it possible to back out all changes that apt just made? |
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| 17:22.36 | ompaul | Masroor: na, if yuou have a cd that is enough |
| 17:22.38 | G__81 | I would like to try out Debian. Its been quite a few years since i tried one and i want it for my development system which is a workstation. I am interested in trying out wheezy where do i get it from. Can someone give me the link ? |
| 17:23.22 | likwid- | im looking to see what package installed a file in a post-install step, (its a ssh keypair). is there any way to use dpkg tools to find that? |
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| 17:23.56 | ompaul | G__81: as Debian GNU/Linux has undergone many changes I strongly suggest you start with squeeze, when you are comfortable you then dist-upgrade to wheezy or testing depending on your level of confidence |
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| 17:24.41 | ompaul | G__81: starting with testing / wheezy which requires skill to debug the failings of testing is not a great idea, it is the fastest way to be frustrated |
| 17:25.05 | G__81 | ompaul: oh you mean to say it would make the system unusable ? |
| 17:25.37 | ompaul | G__81: it is testing, it is not stable, squeeze is stable, and it might, or could, not would. |
| 17:26.22 | ompaul | G__81: if you don't like the age of some packages come here and ask the bot with /msg dpkg bpo and see how that works for you |
| 17:26.47 | ompaul | G__81: the clue if I may be so bold, is in the name. Testing :-) |
| 17:26.58 | G__81 | Squeeze would contain outdated stuff right ? Can you point me to the release notes of Squeeze ? |
| 17:27.10 | G__81 | I have a 64 Bit AMD Quad Core |
| 17:27.11 | ompaul | G__81: www.debian.org and have a look |
| 17:27.25 | ompaul | G__81: what does outdated mean? |
| 17:27.52 | G__81 | I understand it would be stable but quite old right ? |
| 17:27.53 | ompaul | G__81: you can do whatever you want, but if you want to build on good foundations, start with squeeze and get used to it |
| 17:28.37 | ompaul | G__81: what is old? they are security updated, they are functional if you have not used them before, they do all the work you might want afik unless you have very specific needs which you have not expressed |
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| 17:28.55 | G__81 | how about the desktop environments ? |
| 17:29.01 | Amarande | hrm. what's the command on aptitude to show what *depends on* a given package? show only shows what the package itself depends on, not what depends on it |
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| 17:29.09 | ompaul | G__81: what do you want? |
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| 17:29.39 | ompaul | G__81: be specific please, hard to answer the question which has not had parameters defined or specifics asked |
| 17:30.35 | G__81 | ompaul: i am sorry about that. I use the gnome DE and wanted to see the version and then found out whats shipped with Squeeze |
| 17:31.09 | jpinx | I'm going to upgrade a vmachine from squeeze to wheezy and I'm pretty sure it'll run out of space, so how can I clear out the existing archive of squeeze debs elegantly ? |
| 17:31.12 | G__81 | ompaul: how different is Debian testing from Linux Mint rolling edition |
| 17:32.00 | FDFlock | G__81: Well, FORTUNATELY, Squeeze still ships with Gnome 2.x and not the unusable abomination that is Gnome 3.x (although hopefully it will get better) |
| 17:32.02 | ompaul | G__81: plenty, we don't know what they do, some say they do nothing, but we find on examination that there are scripts that are used to do things, and I have shuddered when reading those scripts in the past |
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| 17:33.29 | FDFlock | G__81: Now, indeed, some Squeeze packages are quite old, but not so old as to be a problem... for many applications (eg. Firefox) you can use the "backported" versions |
| 17:33.50 | G__81 | ok so what do you all suggest |
| 17:34.14 | FDFlock | Squeeze is just fine, VERY stable and VERY easy to use |
| 17:34.23 | FDFlock | that's only my opinion, of course |
| 17:34.27 | ompaul | G__81: squeeze get used to it - then decide if there is something you MUST HAVE |
| 17:34.39 | ompaul | G__81: but somehow I figure I told you that already |
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| 17:35.13 | Whisky | I somehow landed on Gnome 3 and would like to revert back to Gnome 2. Help? |
| 17:35.34 | ompaul | !downgrades |
| 17:35.34 | dpkg | [downgrade] Downgrading is not possible with apt-get/aptitude and no future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. See also <partial downgrade>, <unstable->testing>, <sdo>. |
| 17:35.45 | G__81 | FDFlock: ompaul ok perfect just one question. lets say i want to upgrade to wheezy, i point APT sources to the repo and i use it but something happens and i lose the downloaded Debs. I got to again download the entire set of debs right again using apt-get which is bandwidth consuming right ? |
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| 17:36.19 | Whisky | ompaul, So the only way out now is to reinstall? |
| 17:36.20 | ompaul | G__81: backups |
| 17:36.49 | FDFlock | G__81: How would you use the downloaded debs? Normally they would be kept in the apt cache (unless you configure it not to) |
| 17:36.51 | Amarande | Whisky, time to switch to E17 :) |
| 17:37.00 | FDFlock | *s/use/lose/ |
| 17:37.04 | Amarande | ok ... technical, browser related question |
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| 17:37.07 | ompaul | Whisky: ya |
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| 17:37.23 | ompaul | Whisky: you could do KDE which works |
| 17:37.24 | ompaul | :) |
| 17:37.26 | Amarande | how can I tell if a site uses Flash for brief periods (i.e., too briefly to have a chance to right click a possibly-Flash element to look)? |
| 17:37.41 | Flaim | read the source? |
| 17:37.46 | ompaul | install no script |
| 17:38.01 | Whisky | ompaul, KDE is bloated. |
| 17:38.39 | FDFlock | Amarande: Install a flash-blocking extension. |
| 17:39.11 | ompaul | Whisky: I used it, I don't think so, I use it on a variety of hardware, however then lxde might suit |
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| 17:39.26 | FDFlock | Amarande: Some Flash elements are indeed used for spying your habits/browsing, so only allow whitelisted ones to run |
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| 17:40.05 | Amarande | FDFlock, in this case I'm trying to tell if the "cannot process your request" error I am getting with an online tax site is because of a server problem or if it's because I need flashplugin-nonfree |
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| 17:40.11 | FDFlock | Amarande: For Firefox, I use Flashblock... simple and effective, although a (little bit) ugly |
| 17:40.28 | Amarande | however, the only time there's even a possibility of a visible flash element is the spinny circle icon that presents during the brief time it's doing that request |
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| 17:40.55 | FDFlock | Amarande: Oh I see... well, Flashblock would display its icon even in that case |
| 17:41.04 | FDFlock | so it can be used for that as well |
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| 17:42.38 | Amarande | apparently, it's just an IMG, though |
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| 17:42.55 | FDFlock | Amarande: In any case prefer the non-free plugin... it's absolutely horrible (as is the whole Flash technology), but the free version manages to be even worse (completely unusab;e). |
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| 17:44.14 | ompaul | Amarande: as I said - install noscript problem solved |
| 17:44.49 | FDFlock | ompaul:He might need lash in his case |
| 17:44.56 | FDFlock | *Flash |
| 17:45.40 | ompaul | FDFlock: and it doesn't start, so then you click on the "play" icon and you see it |
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| 17:46.24 | gross | FDFlock, mean you youtube? |
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| 17:47.16 | gross | sorry , i mean ompaul |
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| 17:47.45 | gross | ompaul:mean you youtube? |
| 17:47.55 | ompaul | gross: I see it in adverts also |
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| 17:48.15 | FDFlock | ompaul: Yeah, which is why I suggested Flashblock... I guess noScript would be fine as well ;) |
| 17:48.46 | ompaul | it advertises the thing it is not playing and then things can be taken from there |
| 17:49.12 | ompaul | there are other advantages you can see how much crap people are embedding in web pages from tracking to silly |
| 17:49.18 | gross | ompaul: i use to take the videos movgragb |
| 17:49.31 | FDFlock | ompaul: so very true! |
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| 17:52.30 | jpinx | ompaul: ghostery in firefox is pretty cool at blocking tracking stuff |
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| 17:53.55 | Nomnomnomnom | hello. can someone help me with a small problem with rc.local please |
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| 17:54.29 | G__81 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:54.38 | FDFlock | G__81: yes |
| 17:54.44 | ompaul | G__81: I told you already that CD1 was gnome |
| 17:54.55 | Nomnomnomnom | my crone job does kill every 2h rc.local and i need to restart it again per hand |
| 17:54.56 | G__81 | ompaul: sorry got disconnected i didnt get that message |
| 17:54.57 | ompaul | G__81: then you can install using apt-get whatever you want |
| 17:55.09 | ompaul | G__81: it was in the middle of the previous rant I had |
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| 17:55.39 | ompaul | Nomnomnomnom: cron -e and remove that cron job |
| 17:55.56 | G__81 | just to confirm this is the one i have started downloading debian-6.0.4-amd64-CD-1.iso.torrent |
| 17:56.10 | ompaul | if you have 64 bit arch yes |
| 17:56.18 | G__81 | yeah i have a 64 bit |
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| 17:57.12 | FDFlock | G__81: BTW, 64bit Intel CPUs are also "AMD64", because the 64bit extension was developed/standardised by AMD |
| 17:57.32 | Nomnomnomnom | ompaul: that is the problem, there is no cronjob to stop rc.local |
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| 17:58.23 | ompaul | then why claim cron job does kille |
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| 17:58.27 | G__81 | FDFlock: i have a proper AMD which is Phenom X4 BE |
| 17:58.35 | G__81 | 965 BE infact |
| 17:58.45 | cuit | Hi, I'm not sure what's caused this but I'm getting errors when attempting to upgrade my mysql-server(-5.1); http://pastebin.com/geciwjnd < also I removed munin, any idea why debian keeps trying to do stuff with it? |
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| 17:59.52 | FDFlock | G__81: I know you have AMD, you said it before. But since it's a common newbie question, I thought I'd answer it in advance ;) |
| 17:59.55 | FDFlock | G__81: So now you know wha to download for your friends' PCs as well ;) |
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| 18:01.07 | G__81 | FDFlock: yeah. I would love to. I have been a Fedora user and would like to try out Debian. I have been a fedora contributor too and also contribute to other OSS upstream projects. I want to also use the FBSD kernel along with Debian :) |
| 18:01.25 | G__81 | FDFlock: interested in contributing to Debian as well :) |
| 18:02.19 | FDFlock | :) |
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| 18:02.29 | ompaul | G__81: install and we'll see you on the other side :) |
| 18:02.57 | G__81 | ompaul: yeah : ) i have instaled debian Woody years back and then had not gotten into Debian :) |
| 18:03.58 | ompaul | G__81: are we still waiting on your download? if you are running linux you can do this, cat debian---.iso > /dev/sdb or whatever and it will boot and install from if you don't know that already but you might |
| 18:04.02 | FDFlock | rpm is "not my cup of tea", but Fedora has some cool things as well (mainly the way the desktop is set up, and RedHat's contributions to kernel/kvm/etc) |
| 18:04.21 | FDFlock | Debian is quite a bit more stable though |
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| 18:04.48 | G__81 | ompaul: yeah i could but i want the DVD because of my bandwidth restrictions by my ISP |
| 18:05.05 | G__81 | ompaul: i need the DVD as a backup any day |
| 18:05.11 | ompaul | G__81: the CD is good |
| 18:05.25 | FDFlock | G__81: the CD has all the essential packages |
| 18:05.28 | G__81 | ompaul: does this CD got the GUI Installer at last ? |
| 18:05.37 | G__81 | :) |
| 18:05.42 | ompaul | G__81: yes, I don't use it |
| 18:06.10 | ompaul | last install I did about 20 hours ago |
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| 18:07.27 | FDFlock | G__81: Debian has an excellent text-mode installer (probably the best out there). Not impressive-looking but very fast, stable, reliable and easy-to-use... I recommend "expert mode" even if you are a newbie, since you have prior Linux experience |
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| 18:08.12 | G__81 | FDFlock: oh ok but by default once i boot the DVD it would start with GUI mode right ? |
| 18:08.28 | ompaul | no |
| 18:08.32 | ompaul | its a gui installer |
| 18:08.37 | ompaul | its not a mode |
| 18:08.44 | ompaul | its one or the other optional |
| 18:08.49 | ompaul | and you choose |
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| 18:09.03 | ompaul | the text based installer is what you should use - it's a doddle to use |
| 18:09.03 | FDFlock | what ompaul said |
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| 18:10.15 | DatJGuy | I've been trying to setup dovecot and postfix |
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| 18:10.26 | DatJGuy | and I can't get outlook to work |
| 18:10.43 | DatJGuy | Anyone know of a good update to date How To to get it working correctly? |
| 18:11.12 | FDFlock | is away |
| 18:11.34 | ompaul | FDFlock: we don't need to be told that - just do /away |
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| 18:11.57 | ompaul | if everyone did it the channel would be unusable |
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| 18:13.14 | alex- | How an I easy find out which ftp software is running on my system? |
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| 18:13.23 | Masroor | how can i install debian via usb? i am using windows right now.. |
| 18:13.42 | gnarface | Masroor: goodbye-windows.com |
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| 18:14.04 | G__81 | ok ompaul FDFlock thanks for your help, I would leave now and get back after the installation is over |
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| 18:14.25 | vbrummond | Hi. Is anyone else experiencing a plasma crash on Wheezy KDE (with kde debugger shown) when they try to enable plasma-netbook? This even happens for me on a fresh user account. |
| 18:14.36 | gnarface | Masroor: that's probably the the best way nor is it supported, but its certainly the most dramatic. tell us, how badly has windows hurt you? |
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| 18:15.58 | Masroor | it didn't i am just shifting myself because i am going to learn c++ so i want to learn it bad way :P |
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| 18:16.59 | gnarface | Masroor: if you want to be able to just dd the debian installer to a usb key like you'd do from a normal operating system, someone has ported dd to windows: http://www.chrysocome.net/dd |
| 18:17.32 | gnarface | Masroor: (again, not supported here either, sadly) |
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| 18:19.42 | Lovecraft | Note that dding an iso to a flash drive won't work unless it is a hybrid iso. |
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| 18:20.01 | gnarface | Lovecraft: which all of the currently-supported debian ISOs are now |
| 18:20.04 | Lovecraft | It'll go, but it won't boot. |
| 18:20.12 | Lovecraft | Ah .. nice |
| 18:20.25 | gnarface | Lovecraft: as of squeeze, our ISO's are magic |
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| 18:20.54 | sh4- | Hi, i have a problem when trying to compile alsa, here's the error log: http://pastebin.com/TBvDuM7K any help apreciated |
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| 18:21.58 | Masroor | gnarface, can i install debian via dvd1 ? |
| 18:22.09 | WebWalker3D | I understand this isn't debian specific, but when viewing the output of top - is the load average out of 100% for 4 cores? or out of 400% for 4 cores? |
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| 18:22.55 | gnarface | Masroor: yes, but its kinda overkill |
| 18:23.24 | vbrummond | Here is the link to the plasma-netbook crash output, it probably wont be directly useful here, but if someone else has the crash they can compare it to theirs: http://pastebin.com/DMMSrp4H |
| 18:23.28 | AZora | Sarge install. Asked #httpd. I've checked google, I've read manuals, I've tried a few dozen config settings. How can I make suexec based php5-cgi processes terminate after serving content? KeepAlive off, mpm-prefork, MaxRequestsPerChild 1. the same processes have been sitting around for hours or days, and I don't have enough memory. Internal Server error 500 stops serving content. libapache2-mod-fcgid. Currently wrote a cron job to kill php5-cgi every minut |
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| 18:23.45 | ompaul | !sarge |
| 18:23.45 | dpkg | Sarge is the codename for Debian GNU/Linux 3.1, released June 6th, 2005. Sarge security support ended on 2008-03-31, this release is no longer supported. Sarge users should upgrade to Etch, ask me about <sarge->etch>. Removed from the mirrors; ask me about <sarge sources.list>, <sarge-backports>. Get old sarge ISOs here: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/3.1_r8/ http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSarge |
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| 18:24.09 | Masroor | gnarface, can you tell me the way i can install debian perfectly? |
| 18:24.20 | gnarface | WebWalker3D: whichever you want (hit "1" to show the cores individually and hit "I" to toggle the way the percentages are tallied) |
| 18:24.24 | Lovecraft | I started on Bo. :/ |
| 18:24.25 | Kobaz | anyone know what synaptic setting i would use to asjust the pressure needed for moving the cursor |
| 18:24.39 | vbrummond | WebWalker3D: by default at the top it shows 100% of all cores though in the process list it shows 'per core' so tasks can use more than 100% |
| 18:24.40 | ompaul | Lovecraft: and time moves on :-) |
| 18:24.50 | vbrummond | and you can toggle it as said |
| 18:24.52 | Lovecraft | Nooooo!! |
| 18:25.01 | AZora | my bad: deb http://download.webmin.com/download/repository sarge contrib. The rest of my files are lenny |
| 18:25.14 | WebWalker3D | vbrummond: well my 1 minute load average is at 143 now, so I was thinking either it's crazy overloaded (well, it is...) or it's out of 400% |
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| 18:25.31 | vbrummond | WebWalker3D: 143.0? |
| 18:25.40 | gnarface | Masroor: well, its advised you read the installation manual. networked installers are here: http://www.chrysocome.net/dd |
| 18:25.51 | gnarface | Masroor: woops, wrong link, i meant here: http://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst |
| 18:25.58 | WebWalker3D | vbrummond: yes |
| 18:26.07 | Masroor | Thanks gnarface |
| 18:26.26 | vbrummond | its crazy overloaded :) |
| 18:26.32 | WebWalker3D | lol |
| 18:26.34 | vbrummond | 4.0 would mean full loaded |
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| 18:27.07 | WebWalker3D | 4.0? not 100? |
| 18:27.45 | gnarface | WebWalker3D: damnit man. 1) start up top, 2) hit "1" 3) hit "I" 4) be enlightened |
| 18:28.04 | Trewas | WebWalker3D: load average tells how many processes are waiting to be run, its not a percent value |
| 18:28.09 | AZora | Lenny install. Asked #httpd. I've checked google, I've read manuals, I've tried a few dozen config settings. How can I make suexec based php5-cgi processes terminate after serving content? KeepAlive off, mpm-prefork, MaxRequestsPerChild 1. the same processes have been sitting around for hours or days, and I don't have enough memory. Internal Server error 500 stops serving content. libapache2-mod-fcgid. Currently wrote a cron job to kill php5-cgi every minut |
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| 18:30.52 | vbrummond | WebWalker3D: it works like if you have 1 task wanting 100% of cpu time on 1 core your system load will be 1.00 (in a perfect world), over 1.00 means that tasks have to wait for execution. Also if you have 4 cores fully loaded is now 4.00 instead of 1.00 |
| 18:31.07 | Lovecraft | AZora: how many httpd is runniing in the background? Have you tried another apache "model"? |
| 18:31.20 | AZora | that's a neat change |
| 18:32.07 | WebWalker3D | ouch... |
| 18:32.18 | WebWalker3D | thanks gnarface Trewas vbrummond |
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| 18:33.52 | AZora | Lovecraft: I can't mod_php atm. I have 3-5 apache2 processes by www-data, 1 by root. Each php request gets handled by suexec and a php5-cgi process perma spawns as that user |
| 18:33.53 | cuit | Hi, I'm not sure what's caused this but I'm getting errors when attempting to upgrade my mysql-server(-5.1); http://pastebin.com/geciwjnd < also I removed munin, any idea why debian keeps trying to do stuff with it? |
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| 18:35.53 | alex- | Escape character is '^]'. |
| 18:35.57 | alex- | Which character is this.. |
| 18:36.13 | Lovecraft | ctrl"] |
| 18:36.19 | Lovecraft | ctrl+\] |
| 18:36.23 | Lovecraft | dang |
| 18:36.27 | Lovecraft | ctrl+] |
| 18:36.31 | Lovecraft | sheesh |
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| 18:36.56 | Lovecraft | ^ just mean CTRL |
| 18:37.04 | alex- | ah |
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| 18:38.03 | m1chael | hello. i've never used debian before.. but i'm seeing good things about it. right now i'm mainly interested in getting this laptop running debian with kdenlive. does debian have a sexy desktop? and does anyone use kdenlive? |
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| 18:39.07 | zumbi | m1chael: debian has many desktops, you'll have to test them all to find which one you like best :) [Freedom of choice] |
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| 18:40.09 | cuit | m1chael: Debian is GNU/Linux, GNU/Linux distros share prettymuch everything, so yes |
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| 18:40.43 | m1chael | ive got a lot of issues with kdenlive and ubuntu |
| 18:41.04 | zumbi | cuit: Debian now is more than GNU/Linux, its also GNU/kFreeBSD and GNU/Hurd |
| 18:41.05 | cuit | m1chael: don't use them then, never heard of the first and the latter isn't debian |
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| 18:41.21 | cuit | zumbi: Indeed it is and that's why it's the best project evar |
| 18:42.07 | zumbi | m1chael: there is this one project, live.debian.net, where you can find pure debian live distro |
| 18:42.21 | zumbi | dpkg: tell m1chael about live |
| 18:43.14 | cuit | m1chael: check out Crunchbang for a sexy minimalistic desktop live disk+installofc, Linux Mint Debian Edition also exists for people who want user-friendly desktopness, vanilla debian live disks where you can install from scratch if you wish, many choices in the GNU/Linux world |
| 18:43.48 | mark76 | How much longer are the forums going to be down? |
| 18:44.30 | chao | I have a problem with UTF-8 charcters showing up in filenames on the terminal, even though my locale is set to UTF-8 |
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| 18:45.49 | vbrummond | mark76: still down for me, it probably will not be too long |
| 18:46.02 | mark76 | Down for me too |
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| 18:46.33 | cuit | zumbi: is kfreebsd the same as debian just with a different kernel? is the user expierence any different? |
| 18:46.46 | cuit | zumbi: debian/kfreebsd* |
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| 18:47.34 | vbrummond | cuit: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=debian+kfreebsd |
| 18:48.22 | vbrummond | it is debian with gnu userland and freebsd kernel, if you are used to debian linux its not that much different from a gui perspective, bsd is a bit different with device names though |
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| 18:49.21 | cuit | yee I'm aware of that, I guess I meant more is it stable or is it still an experiemental thing? |
| 18:49.52 | vbrummond | its more or less usable though from a debian standard I would say it is still experimental, it is labelled a technology preview |
| 18:50.17 | vbrummond | as far as I know the major 'desktop' hiccup for it is no wifi support |
| 18:50.32 | cuit | Ah ok thanks |
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| 18:56.57 | gnarface | chao: most terminals do not themselves yet support utf8 at all, much less properly. you'll have to switch to one that does and make sure the font its using has utf8 glyphs for all the stuff you care to see |
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| 18:57.17 | gnarface | chao: i recommend rxvt-unicode |
| 18:57.28 | chao | gnarface: Ah okay, so you think it is the problem with Konsole and not my Debian install on my server |
| 18:57.49 | gnarface | chao: based merely on the information you've given its a pretty strong bet |
| 18:57.53 | pom | Where can I find documentation of if-up.d? |
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| 18:59.32 | Lovecraft | pom: refer to the ifup docs |
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| 19:01.53 | Lovecraft | /usr/share/doc/ifupdown will have examples. |
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| 19:14.31 | Nik0s | guys i have change my locales before, but i forgot where... :P |
| 19:14.41 | Nik0s | Where do i find locale user settings? |
| 19:15.03 | valdyn | !locale |
| 19:15.03 | dpkg | A locale is a set of rules for presenting information to humans according to local conventions (date format, thousands separators, language, etc.). Ask me about <locales> to establish on a Debian system. http://wiki.debian.org/Locale http://mywiki.wooledge.org/locale |
| 19:15.12 | valdyn | !tell Nik0s -about locales |
| 19:15.41 | Nik0s | but isnt that systemwide? |
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| 19:15.49 | valdyn | Nik0s: it is |
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| 19:16.05 | Nik0s | where can you do that per user? |
| 19:16.50 | valdyn | Nik0s: thats hard to do in a single place |
| 19:17.02 | valdyn | Nik0s: do you need it for your X Session? |
| 19:17.17 | Nik0s | no |
| 19:17.26 | valdyn | Nik0s: how do you log in then? |
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| 19:17.52 | Lovecraft | /etc/default/locale, or you could export LANG="stuff here" |
| 19:18.04 | valdyn | Lovecraft: thats system-wide |
| 19:18.04 | Lovecraft | For a user, that is. |
| 19:18.07 | Nik0s | with gdm3 i think :P |
| 19:18.21 | Lovecraft | export LANG="stuff here" is not global |
| 19:18.25 | valdyn | Nik0s: doesnt gdm3 have a menu to select language? |
| 19:18.28 | Lovecraft | As a user, that is. |
| 19:18.42 | Iridos | why's nobody else complaining about apt-listbugs giving an error? |
| 19:18.47 | Iridos | is it just me? |
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| 19:20.17 | Nik0s | valdyn, thanks its working i think :P |
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| 19:24.01 | Nik0s | when i change /etc/default/locales |
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| 19:24.16 | Nik0s | when do the users use those locales? |
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| 19:24.20 | Nik0s | after relogging? |
| 19:24.39 | Nik0s | yes |
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| 19:27.29 | somiaj | Nik0s: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
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| 19:27.39 | Lovecraft | Nik0s: http://wiki.debian.org/Locale |
| 19:27.44 | Nik0s | no somiaj |
| 19:27.53 | somiaj | but yes changing the actual envvars for the locales will happen at login |
| 19:28.30 | mah454 | what is last version of gnome shell ? |
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| 19:30.26 | jch | Hi. |
| 19:30.31 | jch | How do I enable multiarch? |
| 19:30.39 | jch | Just pin dpkg from experimental? |
| 19:30.46 | jch | Any caveats? |
| 19:30.55 | gnarface | i wanna know that too |
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| 19:32.30 | gnarface | i even backported multiarch-support from wheezy to squeeze as part of dependencies for something else i was backporting - i'm afraid to install any of it now though |
| 19:33.11 | gnarface | mah454: you can ask the judd bot about "versions [package name]" |
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| 19:34.59 | schoppenhauer | is there something wrong with the debian mirrors in germany today? because my debian installation keeps failing |
| 19:35.04 | schoppenhauer | because of download errors |
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| 19:36.00 | Iridos | schoppenhauer, are you using apt-listbugs? |
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| 19:36.20 | gnarface | schoppenhauer: http://mirror.debian.org/status.html mirror status lists here |
| 19:36.46 | Iridos | because _that_ is giving me errors |
| 19:36.50 | Amarande | caveats regarding pinning dpkg from experimental? well I guess there is the fact that dpkg may break at any time |
| 19:36.52 | Iridos | the .de. mirror seem fine |
| 19:36.58 | Amarande | which will force you to use manual means in order to repair it |
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| 19:37.23 | Iridos | dpkg -i <olddpkg> could become a bit problematic :) |
| 19:37.24 | dpkg | installs <olddpkg> could become a bit problematic :) into iridos's head with a bone saw and a few screws |
| 19:37.29 | Iridos | shaddup |
| 19:37.42 | somiaj | yea I wouldn't use experimental dpkg/apt, sounds like a way to ask for trouble. |
| 19:37.43 | Amarande | *definitely* do an apt-get build-dep dpkg before you do anything like that. :) |
| 19:37.49 | thomaschaaf | Hello I am trying to create a router with debian. I have the following setup: DSL Router (with DHCP 192.168.1.*) <- LAN -> Linux Router (with dhcp 10.10.0.*) <- Wifi -> Clients . Sadly the clients get 192.168.1.* ips and not the correct 10.*. I am using hostapd, dhcp3 and iptables. |
| 19:37.53 | Amarande | you might need it. |
| 19:38.02 | Iridos | won't do you any good |
| 19:38.13 | schoppenhauer | Iridos: ok thank you. then something is wrong with my connection probably (every other site works, though) |
| 19:38.30 | somiaj | schoppenhauer: have you apt-get update recentally? |
| 19:38.47 | Iridos | somiaj, that's a good question :) |
| 19:39.06 | Iridos | Amarande, system-backups or try in a chroot? |
| 19:39.42 | Iridos | Amarande, dpkg itself could be broken and not able to install stuff... and it could be broken and mess up the package database |
| 19:39.45 | Iridos | both sounds like fun |
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| 19:40.06 | Amarande | Iridos: well apparently the OP wanted to enable multiarch on an existing system, for which experimental dpkg is required |
| 19:40.21 | alex- | Will this create an user with root privileges? useradd alex -p passwprd -d /home/alex -s /bin/bash -g root ? |
| 19:40.23 | Iridos | perhaps he likes fun |
| 19:40.30 | schoppenhauer | somiaj: I am currently installing on a new machine. and I also already tried to create an own mirror with debmirror (when I thought that it might be the network connection) |
| 19:40.43 | Iridos | alex-, no |
| 19:40.50 | alex- | Iridos: what do I have to do then? |
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| 19:41.13 | Iridos | really only root has root privileges... you can add a user to the sudo group |
| 19:41.19 | alex- | sudo? |
| 19:41.22 | alex- | I don't have sudo :P |
| 19:41.27 | alex- | Can't I just create another user for myself? |
| 19:41.30 | alex- | my friend uses root |
| 19:41.36 | Iridos | no |
| 19:41.39 | MarcelUNilsson | i need help adding to sudoer list! |
| 19:41.40 | Iridos | there's only one root |
| 19:41.42 | alex- | But he's tired to login to my pc to write his password |
| 19:41.54 | Iridos | poor guy |
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| 19:42.12 | somiaj | MarcelUNilsson: debian squeeze and onward creates a sudo group. just 'adduser username sudo' to add a user to the sudo group (thigs gives full sudo privilages) |
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| 19:42.21 | Lovecraft | Sound like a good time to rm that user. |
| 19:42.34 | alex- | Lovecraft: who? |
| 19:42.35 | jch | Amarande: so how do I set up multiarch? |
| 19:42.48 | somiaj | MarcelUNilsson: use 'visudo' if you want to write a custom sudoers file |
| 19:42.49 | Lovecraft | <alex-> But he's tired to login to my pc to write his password |
| 19:42.50 | jch | Iridos: ^ |
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| 19:42.53 | alex- | Ah |
| 19:42.55 | alex- | lol |
| 19:43.00 | alex- | I created the user |
| 19:43.03 | Lovecraft | That one .. did he try to login as root on your machine? |
| 19:43.04 | alex- | and did adduser alex sudo |
| 19:43.19 | Iridos | somiaj, you sure? On my system /etc/sudoers has that line commented out |
| 19:43.42 | Iridos | I did install the system shortly before squeeze came out, though, so I upgraded it from lenny |
| 19:43.47 | somiaj | Iridos: is your system older than squeeze? |
| 19:43.48 | MarcelUNilsson | somiaj: so i just write that in a terminal? |
| 19:43.51 | Amarande | yeah, you can't add another root user on linux. |
| 19:44.03 | Amarande | you can add a new user entry and change its uid to 0 |
| 19:44.06 | somiaj | MarcelUNilsson: correct, 'adduser username sudo' as root will add username to the correct group. |
| 19:44.10 | Amarande | but, that just makes another username and password that log on as root |
| 19:44.16 | Amarande | it doesn't actually make another root user :) |
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| 19:44.29 | Iridos | I already told you there's only one root |
| 19:44.30 | alex- | Amarande: that's the same |
| 19:44.35 | alex- | I just want my own password / login |
| 19:44.42 | alex- | That he doens't haves to login for me every time |
| 19:44.50 | vtts | then use sudo |
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| 19:45.20 | alex- | ok |
| 19:45.24 | alex- | How can I allow ssh user? |
| 19:45.29 | MarcelUNilsson | how do i login as root? |
| 19:45.31 | alex- | Because I get errro |
| 19:45.37 | MarcelUNilsson | i just installed the system |
| 19:45.40 | somiaj | MarcelUNilsson: you can type 'su' in a console |
| 19:45.51 | alex- | I get Access denied when I try to login to ssh |
| 19:46.11 | vtts | alex-, check the logs |
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| 19:46.27 | Lovecraft | ssh disallows login as root .. login as a use and use su - or sudo |
| 19:46.37 | alex- | vtts: which logs? |
| 19:46.41 | vtts | ssh logs |
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| 19:46.46 | Lovecraft | as a user that is. |
| 19:46.52 | alex- | vtts: where are they? |
| 19:46.54 | MarcelUNilsson | somiaj: thx and how do i log out again? |
| 19:46.54 | vtts | /var/log/auth.log |
| 19:47.22 | alex- | nothing in the logs |
| 19:47.30 | alex- | about my login fail |
| 19:47.40 | vtts | use verbose mode then |
| 19:47.45 | vtts | i.e. ssh -v |
| 19:47.54 | alex- | in my client? |
| 19:47.57 | vtts | yes |
| 19:48.00 | alex- | hmm |
| 19:48.02 | alex- | I have putty |
| 19:48.03 | Iridos | perhaps you try to login to the wrong machine |
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| 19:48.08 | alex- | dunno how |
| 19:48.17 | alex- | Iridos: I only have one |
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| 19:48.25 | alex- | Iridos: same ip as I'm connected to as root now |
| 19:48.35 | Iridos | but that's a good reason why one doesn't find anything in the logs :) |
| 19:48.42 | vtts | alex-, check other logs in /var/log/ |
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| 19:48.56 | jch | Hi. |
| 19:49.11 | alex- | vtts: which one? |
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| 19:49.25 | vtts | alex-, syslog, daemon.log, etc. |
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| 19:50.33 | alex- | vtts: nope |
| 19:50.35 | gnarface | alex-: for ssh i think you want auth.log |
| 19:50.40 | vtts | grep -i ssh /var/log/* |
| 19:51.00 | alex- | Wow |
| 19:51.04 | alex- | this spammed my screen |
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| 19:51.08 | gnarface | haha |
| 19:51.31 | gnarface | wishes he could tell the difference between alex-'s actual problem and the problem he's claiming to have |
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| 19:52.33 | alex- | Me too |
| 19:52.46 | rednovae | so i'm running a bunch of debian VMs at my home and i have a VM set up with apt-cacher-ng, however, the hit/miss ratio is 20% hits. it seems like apt-cacher-ng isn't caching very many things. I did a apt-get install build-essential on one box, and then when it was done did an apt-get install build-essential on another, both going through the cache. Both caused the packages to download from upstream |
| 19:52.57 | gnarface | alex-: tail -f /var/log/auth.log, then try it again |
| 19:53.18 | Iridos | so wtf is one supposed to do with the package gnome-video-effects |
| 19:53.25 | alex- | session opened by root |
| 19:53.27 | alex- | and session closed |
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| 19:53.37 | alex- | and something higher up user console-alex added by root to group sudo |
| 19:53.44 | alex- | but nothing about my connection thing |
| 19:53.50 | valdyn | rednovae: it should cache everything |
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| 19:54.01 | valdyn | rednovae: maybe its not the same packages |
| 19:54.12 | gnarface | alex-: if you try connecting again, with tail -f still running, it'll probably show up |
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| 19:54.47 | alex- | Uh |
| 19:54.53 | alex- | I was connecting to wrong ip |
| 19:55.00 | gnarface | bam |
| 19:55.03 | gnarface | who called that one? |
| 19:55.08 | gnarface | Iridos: ? |
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| 19:55.16 | gnarface | someone should win a prize for that |
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| 19:55.51 | gnarface | dpkg: beer Iridos |
| 19:55.51 | dpkg | pulls out a tasty Green Flash IPA for Iridos |
| 19:55.52 | vtts | and the prize is.... more questions |
| 19:56.38 | DatJGuy | I have dovecot and postfix setup. I can't get the smtp server to respond. |
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| 19:56.44 | MarcelUNilsson | did the "adduser username sudo" but it still says that "username is not in the sudoer file" when i try to sudo |
| 19:56.46 | DatJGuy | pop is working fine though. |
| 19:57.00 | alex- | Any way to create perm root instead of having to sudo all the time? |
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| 19:57.09 | sauvin | Lovecraft, I see no reason split binaries cannot be catted together............... |
| 19:57.13 | DatJGuy | login as root |
| 19:57.16 | gnarface | alex-: sure "sudo su -" |
| 19:57.19 | sauvin | (my keyboard is wonked...!) |
| 19:57.24 | Iridos | gnarface, there's no program in that package and it's not clear what you should use it with... possibly gstreamer but then no word on how.... the documentation is microscopic |
| 19:57.25 | Lovecraft | sauvin: well, me either. |
| 19:57.39 | alex- | gnarface: thanks |
| 19:57.39 | Lovecraft | Tell that to Psi-jack |
| 19:57.51 | Lovecraft | But this is off top[ic here. |
| 19:58.00 | gnarface | Iridos: sorry i missed it, which package now? |
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| 19:58.23 | gnarface | gives alex- a little more rope |
| 19:58.34 | alex- | thanks :P |
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| 19:58.41 | alex- | I've been working on this for over 3 hours |
| 19:58.58 | Iridos | gnarface, gnome-video-effects fooling around with adding filters to video streams... seems that's also a bit of a mess in linux |
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| 19:59.26 | sauvin | Catting binaries? Nope. However, the rest of it, yes, is a case to be argued elsewhere. I and other ops disagree with what happened. |
| 19:59.32 | gnarface | Iridos: ah. yea ... i use ffmpeg but its no less of a mess |
| 19:59.53 | Lovecraft | I see. :/ |
| 20:00.07 | Iridos | gnarface, trying to use a video loopback so could then give it to arbitrary programs |
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| 20:00.17 | Amarande | gnarface: dammit, you had to bring up beer |
| 20:00.24 | Amarande | now I want a beer, and I can't buy beer in this state on Sundays :P |
| 20:00.38 | gnarface | hahah |
| 20:00.49 | gnarface | Amarande: move |
| 20:01.20 | Iridos | did he mention nice cool sparkly beer? |
| 20:01.37 | Iridos | foam up to the brim? |
| 20:02.03 | gnarface | Iridos: video loopback? i'm not clear on what a loopback device is when its not in context of block or network devices. i usually just pipe stdin/stdout through ffmpeg (its fast enough to compress most stuff in realtime) |
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| 20:02.35 | MarcelUNilsson | anyone know how to install openjdk-7-jdk in debian? |
| 20:02.43 | Iridos | gnarface, there's actually two... vloopback kernel module is in the mainstream kernel, but only seems to work with v4l |
| 20:02.50 | gnarface | Amandil: pennsylvania ? |
| 20:03.03 | gnarface | Amarande: pennsylvania ? |
| 20:03.06 | gnarface | Amandil: nevermind |
| 20:03.24 | gnarface | hmm |
| 20:03.26 | Iridos | gnarface, v4l2loopback-dkms is v4l2 |
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| 20:04.20 | Iridos | vloopback module makes 2 devices, e.g. /dev/video1 and /dev/video2 - you write into video1 and get the stream back in video2 |
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| 20:04.38 | Amarande | Connecticut |
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| 20:04.47 | gnarface | Iridos: not sure if this is helpful but mplayer has some v4l2 device support that ffmpeg doesn't. mencoder isn't in debian officially though :( |
| 20:04.49 | Iridos | v4l2loopback-dkms just makes one device... and one program writes into it, the next one can open it as a video device |
| 20:05.03 | Danielino | !list |
| 20:05.04 | dpkg | VATTENE VIA! |
| 20:05.37 | Danielino | !list |
| 20:05.37 | dpkg | danielino: È possibile di scaricare un sacco di software libero puntando il tuo browser a http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-6.0.4-amd64-i386-netinst.iso ! |
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| 20:05.53 | gnarface | wonders when someone is gonna get smart and make dpkg give back the list of games in debian |
| 20:06.15 | Iridos | I'm sure there are some on CD1 |
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| 20:06.40 | Iridos | !next |
| 20:06.40 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
| 20:06.50 | gnarface | haha |
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| 20:07.09 | jelly-home | !qotd0 |
| 20:07.10 | dpkg | <js_> is it very unsafe to resize my / partition with parted while its mounted? |
| 20:08.00 | masak | I'm trying to install X11, following the instructions from the wiki. when I do 'startx', I get '(EE) no devices detected' and 'no screens found'. that's from /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 20:08.01 | Iridos | we need another bot that notifies us when someone who did !list downloads the iso |
| 20:08.12 | masak | where do I go from here? what step did I miss? :) |
| 20:08.29 | gnarface | Amarande: i feel your pain, truly i do. luckily, science can come to your rescue; http://www.thinkgeek.com/caffeine/wacky-edibles/e683/?srp=13 (you can still buy juice on sunday there, right?) |
| 20:08.42 | Iridos | dpkg, install X |
| 20:08.42 | dpkg | To install X in Debian Lenny and later releases: "aptitude update && aptitude install xorg". You may also want to install a desktop environment - ask me about <install gnome>, <install kde>, <install xfce>, <install lxde> - or a window manager, ask me about <window manager>. To configure your X server, ask me about <xorg config>. |
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| 20:09.36 | Iridos | masak, sounds like it didn't find your graphics card... |
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| 20:10.07 | masak | yeah. which means I didn't configure it correctly, I guess. |
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| 20:10.40 | Iridos | so... perhaps a good time to figure out what graphics card it is |
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| 20:11.03 | Iridos | dpkg, what's my hardware |
| 20:11.03 | masak | 'lspci | grep VGA'? |
| 20:11.04 | dpkg | You can use lspci, lsusb, lsscsi, lspcmcia, lshal, hwinfo, dmidecode, and/or lshw, or even dmesg to find out what kind of hardware your machine might have, or you could crack the lid and look inside ... oooh, shiny! If you install lshw, run "lshw -html > myhardware.html" as root and you'll have a nice HTML summation. See also <myram>, <driver locator>. |
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| 20:11.26 | alex- | Now I have a problem with ftp: Connection attempt failed with "ECONNREFUSED - Connection refused by server". |
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| 20:12.04 | gnarface | alex-: ugh. stop with the ftp. just use sftp through sshd |
| 20:12.14 | alex- | no |
| 20:12.16 | alex- | this is on another server |
| 20:12.18 | alex- | :P |
| 20:12.20 | gnarface | alex-: yes |
| 20:12.30 | gnarface | alex-: my advice stands no matter what server it is |
| 20:12.36 | Iridos | masak, actually if you do lspci -nn |grep VGA instead, you also get the pciid |
| 20:12.40 | alex- | Why can't it just work? |
| 20:12.47 | gnarface | alex-: it can but its not worth it |
| 20:12.52 | masak | Iridos: ok, trying that now. |
| 20:13.02 | alex- | gnarface: why not? |
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| 20:13.19 | gnarface | alex-: its insecure and you already fixed sshd which does everything you need already |
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| 20:13.42 | alex- | How to do sftp over ssh then? |
| 20:13.43 | masak | Iridos: 'NVIDIA Corporation GT218 [GeForce 210] [10de:0a65] (rev a2)' |
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| 20:13.53 | masak | what do I do with that information? |
| 20:13.55 | Iridos | judd, pciid 10de:0a65 |
| 20:13.56 | Lovecraft | I have one of those. |
| 20:13.57 | judd | [10de:0a65] is 'GT218 [GeForce 210]' from 'NVIDIA Corporation' with kernel modules 'nouveau', 'nvidiafb' in squeeze. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=10de:0a65 and the out-of-tree 'snd-hda-intel' module. |
| 20:14.06 | gnarface | alex-: you use scp or just use a graphical ssh/sftp gui client that pretends to be an ftp client |
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| 20:14.17 | alex- | filezilla client |
| 20:14.24 | masak | ah, excellent. |
| 20:14.33 | gnarface | alex-: i dunno, probably. there are a few |
| 20:14.40 | Iridos | what, snd-hda-intel on an nvidia graphics card? sometimes it really makes me wonder |
| 20:14.44 | alex- | gnarface: how do I create ssh user then? |
| 20:15.00 | gnarface | alex-: the same way you create any user |
| 20:15.09 | alex- | gnarface: but those ftp users, can they access shell? |
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| 20:15.36 | gnarface | alex-: by default yes, but if you read the sshd_config man page it tells you how to restrict them to scp only |
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| 20:15.46 | alex- | scp = sftp? |
| 20:15.51 | gnarface | alex-: yep |
| 20:15.55 | alex- | ah |
| 20:15.56 | FDFlock | almost |
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| 20:16.09 | gnarface | FDFlock: close enough without confusing him |
| 20:16.16 | FDFlock | yes :) |
| 20:16.27 | Iridos | masak, not much on that on the kmuto site yet (i.e. nuffin) ... the nouveau driver doesn't have 3D acceleration... if you can do without, go with that... else try the proprietary nvidia driver |
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| 20:16.42 | masak | I can do without. |
| 20:16.43 | alex- | gnarface: sftp is more secure than ftp? |
| 20:16.54 | gnarface | alex-: yes, infinitely |
| 20:16.58 | alex- | Hmm |
| 20:17.01 | masak | thing is, I already installed xf86-video-nouveau |
| 20:17.05 | Iridos | masak, for the proprietary one, look at what dpkg tells you with /msg dpkg nvidia dkms |
| 20:17.12 | masak | oki |
| 20:17.21 | FDFlock | it's pretty much the interface that differs, as I understand it... (noy that I've ver implemented scp/sftp or anything!) |
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| 20:17.42 | FDFlock | s/noy/not/ |
| 20:17.57 | FDFlock | s/ver/ever/ |
| 20:18.10 | Iridos | masak, hm... I dunno why the card wasn't auto-detected and nouveau automatically selected... |
| 20:18.39 | Iridos | perhaps the card is too new? |
| 20:19.04 | gnarface | X11's auto-detection capabilities though much improved are still really weak |
| 20:19.18 | masak | actually, I'm running Arch and momentarily forgot and headed here out of habit... sorry about that :) |
| 20:19.33 | masak | the information you've provided so far is still helpful, though. |
| 20:19.46 | masak | I'll head over to #arch now. thanks :) |
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| 20:20.07 | FDFlock | Unrelated question: Is there any chance of FOSS OpenCL implementations? (as I understand it, the opencl compiler provided by the drivers is closely tied to the hardware, so probably not...) |
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| 20:20.22 | quebre | hi, i'm running debian 64 bit, someone told me that i need ALSA 32bit packages to have sound support in wine, how can i do it ? |
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| 20:20.49 | FDFlock | I was thinking that it's an extra reason to prefer the closed-source drivers (sadly) |
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| 20:22.36 | gnarface | quebre: you just need the 32-bit compatability packages at compilation time. apt-cache search for ^ia32 and ^lib32 and you should be able to see all the stuff |
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| 20:23.24 | quebre | gnarface: yes, i have it.. |
| 20:23.33 | quebre | still, don't have sound in wine.. |
| 20:23.46 | gnarface | quebre: do you have sound outside of wine? |
| 20:23.51 | quebre | gnarface: yes |
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| 20:23.58 | gnarface | quebre: ask in #winehq |
| 20:24.05 | quebre | i'm there already ;) |
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| 20:36.18 | ratatata | nu |
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| 20:38.56 | visof | hello |
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| 20:40.01 | visof | i tried to rsync some_files and i got that error http://pastie.org/3573099 |
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| 20:40.09 | visof | how can i fix that ? |
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| 20:42.06 | alex- | Call to undefined function ssh2_connect() |
| 20:42.10 | alex- | Do I need to install it or something? |
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| 20:42.31 | petemc | visof: did you try to ssh to the remote box? |
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| 20:43.37 | STS-125 | alex- you have to install the php module for ssh |
| 20:43.44 | alex- | STS-125: how? |
| 20:44.22 | STS-125 | http://www.php.net/manual/en/ssh2.installation.php |
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| 20:44.31 | visof | petemc, http://pastie.org/3573130 ssh -v got that |
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| 20:45.31 | petemc | visof: the remote host is disconnecting you. probably tcpwrapper, if you have access check /etc/hosts.deny |
| 20:46.37 | no_gravity | Hello! Debian just complained it cant shut down when other users are logged in. So i though "hmm.. what? whos logged in?". "last" shows me some logins to tty8 and tt9. On other days there is only logins on tty7. Is that anything to worry about? |
| 20:46.43 | visof | petemc, http://pastie.org/3573148 |
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| 20:47.21 | petemc | visof: not that the, check /var/log/auth.log on the remote box |
| 20:47.24 | petemc | then |
| 20:48.13 | alex- | STS-125: sh: phpize: not found |
| 20:48.34 | alex- | STS-125: I did pecl install channel://pecl.php.net/ssh2-0.11.0 |
| 20:49.04 | visof | petemc, Mar 11 22:34:33 visof sshd[3479]: Server listening on 0.0.0.0 port 22. |
| 20:49.04 | visof | Mar 11 22:34:33 visof sshd[3479]: Server listening on :: port 22. |
| 20:49.05 | somiaj | no_gravity: who will also show you who is loged in. How are you trying to shutdown? |
| 20:49.26 | petemc | visof: nothing about connections? |
| 20:50.04 | visof | petemc, nope |
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| 20:50.15 | petemc | visof: are you sure you're connecting to that box? |
| 20:50.23 | no_gravity | somiaj: from the gnome menu |
| 20:50.23 | STS-125 | alex- : apt-get install php5-dev |
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| 20:50.49 | visof | petemc, i gave you what ssh -v |
| 20:51.01 | somiaj | no_gravity: that is probabaly something to do with gdm and allowing multiple gnome-sessions for other users |
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| 20:51.17 | no_gravity | somiaj: i always shut down like that. |
| 20:51.32 | somiaj | no_gravity: the command 'sudo shutdown -h now' will shut down your computer despite other users being loged on. Though it won't save any of their data durning the shutdown. |
| 20:51.42 | alex- | STS-125: now it should work? |
| 20:51.51 | no_gravity | somiaj: im wondering who else is logged in. only i use this computer. |
| 20:52.00 | petemc | visof: im asking you to check files on the host you're connecting to, not from |
| 20:52.02 | somiaj | no_gravity: hit ctrl-alt-f8 |
| 20:52.15 | STS-125 | try phpize again after installing php5-dev |
| 20:52.15 | somiaj | no_gravity: that may give you another session also you can type 'who' to see who is loged on and where |
| 20:52.33 | no_gravity | somiaj: that gives me a complete black page without a cursor. |
| 20:52.50 | no_gravity | somiaj: ctrl+alt+f1 etc works. but not f8. |
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| 20:53.10 | alex- | STS-125: Cannot find config.m4. Make sure that you run '/usr/bin/phpize' in the top level source directory of the module |
| 20:53.15 | somiaj | no_gravity: hmm, well gnome has the option 'logon as another user' my guess is that is the issue. I don't use gnome so I really don't know what is going on |
| 20:53.26 | visof | petemc, that's waht i try to do |
| 20:53.31 | somiaj | no_gravity: who should show you who is loged on |
| 20:53.41 | somiaj | and what console/terminal they are loged on with |
| 20:53.44 | STS-125 | alex- in what directory are you? |
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| 20:54.05 | no_gravity | somiaj: who only shows me the 3 logins that i would expect. the user that runs gnome and 2 terminals i have open. |
| 20:54.19 | somiaj | no_gravity: then I don't know what gnome is complaining about. |
| 20:54.31 | no_gravity | somiaj: maybe i never tried to shut down when i had a terminal open. |
| 20:54.49 | no_gravity | somiaj: so i will just shut down now and hope for the best. thanks for your help. |
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| 20:56.58 | alex- | STS-125: / |
| 20:57.07 | alex- | STS-125: which directory do I have to be then? |
| 20:57.17 | petemc | visof: have you tried to connect as another user other than root? |
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| 20:58.08 | STS-125 | alex- : ok, you should be in the directory of the downloaded extension. But: why don't you simply use "pecl install ssh2" and include into your php.ini? |
| 20:58.38 | alex- | Failed to download pecl/ssh2 within preferred state "stable", latest release is version 0.11.3, stability "beta", use "channel://pecl.php.net/ssh2-0.11.3" to install |
| 20:58.44 | alex- | how to include into php.ini then? |
| 20:58.48 | alex- | I don't even know where it is |
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| 20:59.33 | STS-125 | alex- that depends on how you want to use PHP...as CLI? with a webserver? |
| 20:59.45 | alex- | I have a php script which needs ssh connect |
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| 21:00.31 | STS-125 | where should this script run? on a command line or via an apache oder something different? |
| 21:00.37 | alex- | via apache |
| 21:00.43 | alex- | lol 'oder' |
| 21:00.45 | alex- | deutsch :P |
| 21:01.01 | STS-125 | ach...du kannst deutsch...geh mal nach #debian.de bitte |
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| 21:01.07 | Wulf | Hi |
| 21:01.26 | Wulf | It appears that I somehow changed something in my system by accident. |
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| 21:02.00 | alex- | STS-125: nah, mein deutsch ist nicht so gut |
| 21:02.01 | Wulf | When I press the power button (runing sid, gnome3, gnome-panel) then the system goes into suspend but I want the previous behaviour back which asked me what to do, e.g. shut down |
| 21:02.13 | Wulf | where can I fix that? :) |
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| 21:02.27 | visof | petemc, yep |
| 21:02.31 | visof | petemc, the same |
| 21:02.32 | STS-125 | ok, then in english...your ini file would have to be at /etc/php5/apache2/php.ini |
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| 21:03.43 | alex- | STS-125: ou should add "extension=ssh2.so" to php.ini |
| 21:03.51 | STS-125 | yes |
| 21:03.54 | FDFlock | Wulf: I remember Gnome 2.x having such an option, did they take it out in 3.x? |
| 21:03.55 | petemc | visof: if you dont have access to that box you need to speak to someone who does |
| 21:04.08 | petemc | visof: or try from another location |
| 21:04.18 | visof | petemc, i have access for both |
| 21:04.27 | FDFlock | Wulf: In any case I bet tht that the option still exists in gconf |
| 21:04.29 | alex- | STS-125: how to restart it? |
| 21:04.38 | petemc | visof: /msg dpkg debug sshd |
| 21:04.41 | STS-125 | btw. to use SSH2 via PHP you also need to install the packages OpenSSL and libssh |
| 21:04.46 | FDFlock | s#tht that#that# |
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| 21:04.51 | STS-125 | /etc/init.d/apache2 restart |
| 21:04.54 | visof | petemc, from remote or local ? |
| 21:05.13 | petemc | visof: you run sshd in debug mode on the box you want to connect to |
| 21:05.34 | FDFlock | Wulf: In Gnome 2.x it's in the power management preferences |
| 21:05.41 | Wulf | FDFlock: I can't find it here |
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| 21:07.51 | visof | petemc, should i do port forward for the server ? |
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| 21:08.00 | petemc | visof: what? |
| 21:08.06 | visof | for my server router ? |
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| 21:09.40 | petemc | visof: i have idea what your setup is there, but you're just running ssh in debug mode so continue to do what you were trying before, except this time you should have more information to see what the problem is |
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| 21:10.14 | GuestWhatever | Hi, I have an SDHC card that shows up on /dev but I can't access it. Would a card incompatible with my reader show up on /dev ? |
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| 21:11.23 | Wulf | FDFlock: ah, found it. |
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| 21:18.21 | jhutchins | GuestWhatever: How can you not access it? |
| 21:19.01 | GuestWhatever | jhutchins, I can't mount it and sg utils reports "No such device" |
| 21:19.51 | jhutchins | GuestWhatever: 1) what does it show up as? 2) what happens when you try to mount it? |
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| 21:20.02 | jhutchins | GuestWhatever: We can't troubleshoot on what doesn't happen, we have to work with what does. |
| 21:20.11 | GuestWhatever | OK... |
| 21:20.13 | meLon | Anybody know how I can simulate pressing a keyboard key (specifically media keys) through CLI? |
| 21:20.38 | jhutchins | meLon: What are you really trying to do? |
| 21:21.06 | meLon | jhutchins: I would like to login over SSH and control audio being played (ie next track) |
| 21:21.29 | meLon | I use DeaDBeeF, which is configured for my multimedia keys, but I'm not sure about it having a clie |
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| 21:21.46 | jhutchins | meLon: Use a console-based player. |
| 21:21.51 | meLon | Nevermind lol. $deadbeef --help tells me there is a --next option |
| 21:21.51 | GuestWhatever | It appears on /dev/sg4, but when I try to mount it I get "mount: /dev/sg4 is not a block device" and it doesn't answer to sg_inq |
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| 21:22.15 | jhutchins | meLon: mplayer might work for you. |
| 21:22.31 | FDFlock | meLon: You can always use a CLI music player, like "moc", http://moc.daper.net/ :P |
| 21:22.48 | jhutchins | GuestWhatever: Anything interesting in dmesg when you connect it? |
| 21:23.01 | meLon | I am very happy with DeaDBeeF, I just am working in my kitchen atm and dont want to have to leave every four minutes when a song I dont like plays |
| 21:23.26 | meLon | Thank you for your suggestions. I think mpc++ was my favourite CLI player |
| 21:23.58 | GuestWhatever | jhutchins, I can cat dmesg and fish relevant info out of it but I don't know how to monitor it in real time |
| 21:24.00 | jhutchins | See if DB has a console interface. |
| 21:24.07 | jhutchins | meLon: ^ |
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| 21:24.22 | jhutchins | Just attach the drive then use the dmesg command |
| 21:24.28 | GuestWhatever | OK |
| 21:24.30 | meLon | That's the solution I found jhutchins :D |
| 21:24.54 | meLon | --next. Feel like a dummy now. I google'd before reading man page, which was my error :P |
| 21:25.09 | FDFlock | meLon: I didn't know about deadbeef, seems like a Foobar2000 clone (judging from the screenshots), which is a good thing... Thank you for that! |
| 21:25.12 | FDFlock | really misses Foobar2000 |
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| 21:25.59 | FDFlock | Foobar2000 is the only application for which I haven't yet found a superior Linux equivalent |
| 21:26.08 | meLon | That's EXACTLY what it is, FDFlock :D |
| 21:27.21 | FDFlock | meLon: What about the sound quality? Is there any way to use VST plugins? |
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| 21:27.38 | jhutchins | meLon: What about launching DeadBeef over ssh? That should give you local control. |
| 21:27.38 | FDFlock | In any case, I'll definitely try it! |
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| 21:28.10 | GuestWhatever | jhutchins, the result of the dmesg command fills my entire shell buffer, as in I can't scroll up to the actual command. However, it does report the reader device being recognized. By the way, the reader is integrated to my laptop, stuff only changes when I insert a card |
| 21:28.24 | meLon | I need REMOTE control, since my computer with speakers lives in my room, and I will be working/listening from the kitchen |
| 21:29.00 | meLon | So, now I can login via SSH, issue deadbeef --next and skip the music I dont want to listen to :D |
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| 21:30.25 | jhutchins | meLon: Ok, that sounds like a good solution, but if you were to launch deadbeef from the ssh session the control GUI would appear on your local screen, but playback would still happen on the remote system. |
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| 21:30.56 | jhutchins | meLon: You will need X forwarding enabled, but I think that's on by default in debian. |
| 21:30.58 | FDFlock | jhutchins: he would need X forwarding for that. |
| 21:31.14 | FDFlock | typing at the same time :) |
| 21:31.23 | jhutchins | Lag :-) |
| 21:32.23 | meLon | I am not launching deadbeef lol. I'm just controlling a remote, existing deadbeef session |
| 21:32.35 | jhutchins | I think I'd probably just do a shell alias, something like alias n="deadbeef --next" |
| 21:32.55 | meLon | Deadbeef is running on my computer. I will login using my phone to issue deadbeef --next, which will change the song. That simple :P |
| 21:32.55 | meLon | That may help, jhutchins |
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| 21:33.14 | jhutchins | meLon: Yeah, if it's a phone it might not handle the interface well (although I see they've ported it to Android, so the interface might work.) |
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| 21:33.33 | meLon | jhutchins. You're not listening to me at all |
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| 21:34.25 | jhutchins | meLon: No, you're not understanding what I'm telling you. Yes, kill the existing deadbeef session and start a new one in the ssh session. You should get a local control interface, but playback will still happen on the remote. |
| 21:34.30 | meLon | I still love you though <# |
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| 21:34.34 | FDFlock | meLon: what jhutchins meant to say is that you could use the WHOLE deadbeef interface (eg. playlist) |
| 21:34.54 | jhutchins | meLon: This assumes that the local system is running something that looks to the remote like an X server, which might not be true. |
| 21:34.56 | meLon | Ahhh, nah. That's way out of the scope. Just have a lot of tracks from old gf's I dont want to hear :P |
| 21:35.19 | jhutchins | rm /path/to/bad/track |
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| 21:36.00 | meLon | My next gf might like them :P |
| 21:36.07 | jhutchins | I still like my ex-girlfriends' tracks - and the girlfriends too for that matter. |
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| 21:36.12 | ksuhku | rm /bad/gf |
| 21:36.26 | marina | hi all - having trouble getting wired ethernet to work on toshiba satellite c655 it works then stops - atl1c module seems present in lsmod. |
| 21:36.39 | Anthro | I have a network-connected HP color printer. Two OS X boxes have been printing to it happily for years, and now I'm trying to get a Debian box to print to it. I've found it on the network and created the printer through the CUPS web interface, but it can't even print a test page. Please help me troubleshoot. |
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| 21:36.57 | jhutchins | marina: Is network manager messing with it? |
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| 21:37.35 | marina | jhutchins, yes - it worked fine before i took a trip and did a lot of wireless. |
| 21:37.41 | mark76 | Blimey. They're still doing maintenance on the forums :o |
| 21:38.27 | marina | jhutchins, network-manager seems to be doing strange stuff but i cannot turn off NM and ifconfig eth0 manually - it does not work. |
| 21:38.46 | jhutchins | marina: Then you're doin' it wrong. |
| 21:38.53 | Anthro | And, of course, I'm being called to dinner. I'll check back later. |
| 21:39.19 | jhutchins | Is the adapter correctly configured in /etc/network/interfaces? |
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| 21:39.51 | marina | jhutchins, ifconfig eth0 down; ifconfig eth0 up; ifconfig eth0 192.168.1.47; route add default gw 192.168.1.1 |
| 21:40.35 | GuestWhatever | marina, can you try wicd? it works for me where NM doesn't, and it can do wired as well as wireless |
| 21:41.02 | meLon | wicd causes much less complications that NM, in my experience |
| 21:41.08 | jhutchins | !tell marina about interfaces |
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| 21:42.10 | jhutchins | You should check out the squeeze NM, it works better than wicd for a lot of people. wicd did use to work better in a lot of cases, but this has changed. |
| 21:42.21 | cardamon | I dual booted into windows and now my clock are wrong. |
| 21:42.24 | marina | jhutchins, already looked at /etc/network/interfces |
| 21:42.25 | FDFlock | abchirk_: |
| 21:42.36 | marina | brb |
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| 21:42.39 | marina | checking wicd |
| 21:42.46 | FDFlock | sorry, accidentl typing |
| 21:42.48 | jhutchins | marina: Then use the commands dpkg told you to cycle the interface after killing nm |
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| 21:43.31 | jhutchins | marina: If you install both wicd and nm I believe you will be unhappy and frustrated fairly quickly. |
| 21:44.00 | dvs | cardamon: Boot into Debian. edit the /etc/default/rc.S file to say "UTC=no" |
| 21:44.16 | GuestWhatever | marina, also I've noticed you use static IP, you can use dhclient for dynamic which IMO is easier unless you have a specific reason for wanting static |
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| 21:45.08 | jhutchins | GuestWhatever: On most networks you can't just arbitrarily switch back and forth. |
| 21:45.14 | quebre | hi, why i can't install lib32asound2-plugins ? it's mentioned that i need this package in order to have sound in WINE |
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| 21:45.45 | jhutchins | marina: I believe you said it wasn't working. You did not say what was happening to make you say that. It could be a DNS problem. |
| 21:45.45 | cardamon | dvs: Other way around. I didn't see what my Windows clock is set to...but it is off by five. |
| 21:45.54 | jhutchins | There should be a network-test factoid... |
| 21:46.13 | dvs | cardamon: Lemme guess. You Windows clock is ahead by five hours. |
| 21:47.14 | FDFlock | jhutchins: The problem with networking is that the documentation is (1) not good enough, and (2) absolutely scary. A few months ago I was trying to combine NM (which I need for WiFi) with network bridging... No success, I'm not even sure whether it's possible... |
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| 21:47.23 | FDFlock | when bridging multiple interfaces (virtual Ethernet/TAP or whatever) and iptables get involved... the horror! |
| 21:47.47 | FDFlock | ranting |
| 21:48.02 | cardamon | dvs: Left me get back to you on that. |
| 21:48.27 | craigevil | quebre, wrong name, package name is libasound2-plugins, apt-cache search foo |
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| 21:50.42 | FDFlock | meLon: Are you still there |
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| 21:50.49 | meLon | Yesir |
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| 21:51.40 | FDFlock | meLon: Does deadbeef support gapless playback and "album mode" replay gain? Those features are really important for me (especially the 1st) |
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| 21:52.35 | meLon | It plays cues. Pretty sure it has replay let me check |
| 21:53.15 | FDFlock | cues.... hmm I don't use cue files (usually) but I guess it means gapless is supported |
| 21:53.24 | meLon | Replaygain has a couple of options in the settings for deadbeef. Replaygain peak scale. Preamp. Global Preamp. |
| 21:54.18 | meLon | If what you're asking is if there is a pause between tracks, then no; DeaDBeeF plays the next song immediately, unless it's part of a cue or part of the file itself |
| 21:54.44 | FDFlock | yeah, that's what i meant by "gapless" |
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| 21:55.12 | karl_k | hi, can i somehow prevent debian from starting the network interface with dhcp in the initramfs ? |
| 21:55.23 | meLon | I've only heard that term used for a CD, so I was assuming you made a rip of a CD blah yeah |
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| 21:55.37 | karl_k | i have my own hook-script which should set a static ip, but cant |
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| 21:56.10 | cardamon | Back. Windows is set to 17:54, BIOS to the same, and Debian's giving me 13:54 (windows just updated because now we're on Day light savings as of this morning. |
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| 21:56.37 | dvs | cardamon: My advice still stands |
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| 21:57.11 | meLon | Windows sets HARDWARE clock to LOCAL time, whereas Linux sets HARDWARE clock as UTC, and know's what offset to use for your localtime. |
| 21:57.32 | FDFlock | cardamon: I didn't read dvs' advice, but you should set up NDT anyway |
| 21:57.39 | FDFlock | dvs: Was that the advice? :) |
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| 21:57.46 | dvs | cardamon: Boot into Debian. edit the /etc/default/rc.S file to say "UTC=no" |
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| 21:58.19 | FDFlock | meLon: Thanks for the thorough answer, I'll definitely check it out (too bad it's not in the Squeeze repos)! |
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| 21:58.55 | scientes | how do i figure out what shared libs a binary needs |
| 21:59.23 | petemc | ldd |
| 21:59.44 | meLon | My friend patched it to use Album Artist preferably, and defaulting back to Artist if Album Artist doesn't exist. This is convenient if you listen to mix cd's by DJ's and other compilation albums. Let me know if you're interested FDFlock |
| 21:59.52 | GuestWhatever | scientes, do you have a 3rd party .deb and wonder about its dependencies? |
| 22:00.12 | meLon | (Refering to playlist organization and displaying of albums) |
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| 22:00.29 | scientes | GuestWhatever, no its opencpn and its complaining about the new version of libgps[d] |
| 22:00.42 | scientes | and i installed the older version, libgps19, and that didn't work |
| 22:00.47 | scientes | so i think they are statically linking |
| 22:01.33 | FDFlock | meLon: cool! personally I don't care that much, because either I'm listening to a whole album, or I make my own playlist. |
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| 22:02.13 | scientes | ./src/nmea.cpp: load1 = _T("libgps.so"); |
| 22:02.13 | scientes | ./src/nmea.cpp: load2 = _T("libgps.so.20"); |
| 22:02.14 | scientes | ./src/nmea.cpp: load3 = _T("libgps.so.19"); |
| 22:02.15 | scientes | hmm |
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| 22:02.33 | FDFlock | scientes: ue a pastebin service, please |
| 22:02.39 | FDFlock | *use |
| 22:02.50 | karl_k | anyone know how to prevent dhcp in initramfs ? |
| 22:02.52 | GuestWhatever | scientes, sorry, compiling from source is not really my forte |
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| 22:03.34 | meLon | Have you tried adding your custom library through pkg-config, scientes ? |
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| 22:04.02 | GuestWhatever | marina, wb |
| 22:04.16 | scientes | meLon, i just installed the older deb |
| 22:04.28 | scientes | but it looks like its statically linked |
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| 22:04.46 | marina | GuestWhatever, thanks ! |
| 22:04.54 | marina | Still no wired network. |
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| 22:06.10 | GuestWhatever | marina, what does ifconfig eth0 show? |
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| 22:07.12 | cardamon | dvs: No change. |
| 22:07.19 | cardamon | System time is still off. |
| 22:07.27 | meLon | scientes: Are you having troubles with your compilation finding libraries? |
| 22:07.40 | scientes | meLon, i havn't tried to compile yet |
| 22:07.43 | dvs | cardamon: Boot into Windows, double check the clock, boot back into Debian |
| 22:08.10 | quebre | hi, i have Debian 64bit and someone told me to install pulse libs 32bit (for audio in wine) but now im confused, 32bit pulseaudio ? can i install it ? |
| 22:08.16 | meLon | What version and what software are you trying to install that is complaining about the newer libraries scientes ? |
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| 22:08.29 | scientes | opencpn beta, version 2.6.something |
| 22:08.58 | scientes | thing is, i installed the old version and it still didn't work, which is annoying |
| 22:09.24 | scientes | ./src/nmea.cpp:#ifdef DYNAMIC_LOAD_LIBGPS |
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| 22:09.27 | scientes | ./src/nmea.cpp:#ifdef BUILD_WITH_LIBGPS |
| 22:09.29 | scientes | see |
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| 22:09.42 | cardamon | dvs: Now it's off too. |
| 22:10.01 | trismarck | hi, what is a good book that you can recommend that explains what inodes are (possibly with many drawings) |
| 22:10.10 | marina | http://pastebin.com/KbYT7anZ |
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| 22:10.12 | dvs | cardamon: Adjust the clock in Window then boot back to Debian |
| 22:10.27 | meLon | scientes: I use josm. Have you read this?: http://opencpn.org/ocpn/compiling_source_linux |
| 22:10.45 | marina | these are my network settings - http://pastebin.com/KbYT7anZ |
| 22:10.46 | dvs | cardamon: Or adjust the BIOS clock |
| 22:11.23 | scientes | meLon, im not fluent with CMake, how do i set the DYNAMIC_LOAD_LIBGPS |
| 22:11.34 | meLon | scientes: Do you have 9.10 backports enabled in your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 22:12.14 | cardamon | There we go. |
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| 22:12.21 | cardamon | Thanks. |
| 22:12.25 | GuestWhatever | marina, are you certain your router is at 192.168.1.1 ? |
| 22:12.36 | dvs | works now? |
| 22:12.40 | cardamon | Yes. |
| 22:13.00 | meLon | scientes: This walk-through seems pretty straight forward. Which part it are you on? |
| 22:13.33 | scientes | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:13.37 | scientes | the default is static libgps |
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| 22:14.33 | ries | gents, I added deb http://backports.debian.org/debian-backports squeeze-backports main contrib non-free to my sources.list, but does that mean all install will come from back ports? |
| 22:14.36 | Iridos | trismarck, what would the drawings show? |
| 22:15.16 | meLon | That only means that software that has specific dependencies to older packages can install those packages, and you will be able to install older packages. Default is always newest stable version. |
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| 22:15.34 | marina | GuestWhatever, absolutly certain it is 192.168.1.1 - i have 2 servers and my partner has a windows box behind the router - all statically configged. |
| 22:15.38 | trismarck | Iridos: the inode table, diff: inode, inumber, how the kernel gets from the filename to the set of physical blocks containing the file on the hard drive |
| 22:16.03 | trismarck | Iridos: what's inside inode table, how directories stored |
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| 22:16.14 | marina | GuestWhatever, checked firewall rules on router and did ' arp -d -a' just to make sure it was not an arp confusion issue. |
| 22:16.21 | ries | meLon: Hmm I just upgraded but mysql doesn't want to upgrade anymore and I get all sorts of error messages. First a long list of stuff that MySQL forced to be non compatible with previous. But mysql stop fails and upgrade stops |
| 22:16.36 | karl_k | hmm, /scripts/functions in initramfs contains this bloc: http://pastebin.com/diahuqrb |
| 22:16.45 | karl_k | anyone know where $IP does come from ? |
| 22:16.52 | ries | meLon: this is what I get now : mysql-server-5.1 : Depends: mysql-server-core-5.1 (= 5.1.49-3) but 5.1.61-0+squeeze1 is installed |
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| 22:17.11 | GuestWhatever | marina, OK. Did you connect with the same IP on wifi? |
| 22:17.26 | Iridos | trismarck, alright, fairysnuff :) still seems bit more of a textual thing to me, but ok |
| 22:17.26 | GuestWhatever | marina, that is, your IP, not the router's. |
| 22:18.38 | marina | eck - same ip on wireless. |
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| 22:18.58 | Maijin | Hello, I'm looking for a file to configure mirors in kfreebsd/debian ? thanks |
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| 22:20.44 | tonytraductor | I have two sites with distinct SSL certificates onthe same server, and set up gnutls accordingly, but one cert is still overriding the other. Server runs squeeze. Can I ask here? Or should I go bother httpd? |
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| 22:21.59 | quebre | is there something like libpulse audio 32bit ??? |
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| 22:22.13 | quebre | Cannot open shared library /usr/lib32/alsa-lib/libasound_module_pcm_pulse.so |
| 22:22.28 | quebre | coz im getting this when trying to run game under wine, and ii have no sound in result |
| 22:23.25 | GuestWhatever | marina, is there any software that could use or intervene in the network connection on your end? |
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| 22:24.04 | marina_ | wierdest thing - i just did 'ifconfig eth0 down' and the machine beeped and locked up. It was a sysbeep |
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| 22:24.22 | marina_ | turned off auto wireless and it now seems to work ;-) |
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| 22:24.56 | alex- | Do I need to install something if I want to use SFTP? |
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| 22:25.43 | meLon | Did installing those packages work for you, ries ? |
| 22:26.03 | ries | I am making a backup of the vm just to be sure... |
| 22:26.10 | meLon | You might start with installing SFTP, alex- |
| 22:26.26 | Iridos | tonytraductor, dunno if you get an answer here... someone might know, but it's not likely if it's too apache-specific |
| 22:26.54 | tonytraductor | well, it's not really apache, it's gnutls. SSL headache stuff...but the server is running apache |
| 22:27.00 | GuestWhatever | marina, it might be that whatever was handling wireless was also attempting to intervene in wired as well...I've seen some apps try to effect all interfaces when run |
| 22:27.06 | tonytraductor | I've tried asking in #httpd, but so far no response |
| 22:27.28 | alex- | meLon: does it works with ssh? |
| 22:27.32 | alex- | or do I hve to install it? |
| 22:27.40 | GuestWhatever | but glad to hear things worked out |
| 22:27.54 | meLon | Are you trying to connect to an existing ftp server, or are you trying to create an ftp server? |
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| 22:32.33 | alex- | meLon: create sftp |
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| 22:33.36 | meLon | You will have to chose an sftp server, install that server, configure it correctly, configure your network and then use it. I am not familiar with installing ftp servers, as scp over ssh works fine for me to transfer files. |
| 22:34.03 | qwd | alex-: you only need openssh-server and then edit /etc/ssh/ssh_config |
| 22:34.37 | tonytraductor | yeah, ssh allows sftp, no actual ftp server needed, I think. Then again, I think pure-ftpd and some others also support sftp |
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| 22:34.46 | meLon | oic |
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| 22:34.50 | zaltekk | when i try to uninstall apache, apt-get says it is going to also install apache |
| 22:34.59 | zaltekk | i tried adding php5 to the list, and it says it'll install php5 too |
| 22:35.00 | zaltekk | what gives? |
| 22:35.07 | alex- | qwd: ah |
| 22:35.09 | qwd | alex-: it's pretty easy to set up, at least for what I use it for. |
| 22:35.16 | alex- | I have a control panel |
| 22:35.20 | alex- | And I want it to use SFTP |
| 22:35.21 | alex- | Instead of FTP |
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| 22:36.36 | zaltekk | i'm specifically removing apache2-mpm-prefork, and it tries to install apache2-mpm-itk |
| 22:36.46 | Iridos | careful! he has a control panel and he's not afraid to use it! |
| 22:37.41 | tonytraductor | zaltekk: apparently something you're running needs either one or the other |
| 22:37.59 | zaltekk | tonytraductor: i've installed another webserver(nginx with php5-cgi) |
| 22:38.13 | tonytraductor | aha |
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| 22:38.55 | Anthro | I am trying to get CUPS under squeeze to talk to a network connected HP printer. I have two OS X boxes (also using CUPS) that have been successfully printing to it for years, but CUPS under Debian can't even print a test page. |
| 22:38.58 | Anthro | Help? |
| 22:39.42 | tonytraductor | Anthro: might help to know what the printer is |
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| 22:40.09 | zaltekk | any ideas? |
| 22:40.09 | Anthro | tonytraductor: HP Color LaserJet CP1518ni |
| 22:40.48 | tonytraductor | did you see if there's a compatible driver? (should be for most HP stuff. I have an Officejet 5610 all-in-one here that runs great). |
| 22:41.02 | tonytraductor | also, have you tried to plug the printer directly into the box and see if it works that way? |
| 22:41.22 | alex- | Iridos: ? |
| 22:41.24 | tonytraductor | too many variables..could be the printer/driver/network...we have to narrow down where the issue is |
| 22:41.45 | Anthro | tonytraductor: There is a CP1518ni-specific driver that I chose in the CUPS web interface. And I am unwilling to plug it in directly since OS X is happy to talk to it over the network. |
| 22:42.16 | zaltekk | hmm. apparently it's an open bug. |
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| 22:44.03 | themill | zaltekk: sounds like you need to remove libapache2-mod-php5 |
| 22:44.42 | Anthro | tonytraductor: Well, like I said, the network and printer seem to be just fine. Two OS X boxes running CUPS on the same network manage just fine. |
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| 22:44.49 | tonytraductor | ok, so I will try again: I have 2 sites on one server, with 1 IP address, but two certs. I set up gnutls according to instructions, but one cert is still overriding the other. Anyone have experience with this? |
| 22:44.54 | zaltekk | themill: yep. even though it wasn't explicitly installed |
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| 22:45.24 | themill | zaltekk: sure. apt isn't a mind reader. |
| 22:45.32 | Anthro | tonytraductor: What service are you trying to run with the two certs? |
| 22:45.43 | zaltekk | themill: it shouldn't try to install extra packages because of automatic deps that were installed |
| 22:45.56 | zaltekk | if i install apache2 and php5, then uninstall them both, it shouldn't try to reinstall other related packages |
| 22:45.59 | tonytraductor | ok, the network and printer might be fine, but there may be an issue with a) your configuration of network printing on the debian box, or b) debian+printer+driver. See? |
| 22:46.03 | zaltekk | like i said, there is a bug filed for it already. |
| 22:46.09 | tonytraductor | not sure if the problem is reaching the printer (network) or driving the printer (driver) |
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| 22:46.48 | LightKnight | Any fetchmail experts here? For 2 days I'm getting a timeout+socket error when I try to download my email via POP from a certain mailserver. Other servers seem to do fine, as do telnetting directly on the 110. |
| 22:47.18 | zaltekk | it's still acting funky. got apache removed completely, but if i try to remove php5 it wants to reinstall apache2 |
| 22:47.34 | themill | zaltekk: but there will be other packages that you have installed that still depend (or recommend) these packages. As I said, apt isn't a mind reader and it cannot (and should not) try to do everything for you like this. BTW you probably should use aptitude not apt-get for this and then you can steer its interactive resolver |
| 22:47.48 | Anthro | tonytraductor: Well, the printer is being successfully discovered via zeroconf, so I'm pretty sure Debian is seeing it on the network. I'll try a little Wireshark magic and see if it's at all enlightening. |
| 22:47.56 | tonytraductor | I have a personal site (tonybaldwin.me self-signed cert), and a friendica site (free-haven.org CA signed cert). but the self-signed cert for the personal site is appearing in request for the other site |
| 22:47.59 | themill | zaltekk: also, without you actually pastebinning real output, you won't get further help. /msg dpkg bat |
| 22:48.04 | zaltekk | themill: nothing is installed that needs them. that's the point of the problem. |
| 22:48.39 | tonytraductor | I have site-available/free-haven.org pointing to the correct cert, and in ssl.conf pointing to the correct cert, did a2dismod ssl adenmod gnutls, restarted apache, etc., etc. |
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| 22:50.16 | tonytraductor | ok, Anthro, yes, seems network is good then. |
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| 22:50.25 | tonytraductor | do you have a driver for the printer configured? |
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| 22:50.59 | Anthro | tonytraductor: Are the two sites listening on the same port? The spec for having the client identify the host it's expecting for the cert is pretty new, and I'm not sure how well supported it is by various browsers. |
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| 22:51.23 | tonytraductor | yes, 80 for non-ssl, and port 443 for ssl |
| 22:51.42 | zaltekk | bleh. and init scripts were left behind after uninstalling mysql |
| 22:51.55 | tonytraductor | but vhosts are setup to correctly direct traffic to the sites, AND, supposedly, the proper certs |
| 22:52.22 | themill | zaltekk: they're conffiles, you need to purge the packages involved. |
| 22:52.38 | zaltekk | themill: i did purge |
| 22:52.44 | themill | clearly not |
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| 22:52.55 | tonytraductor | I followed these instructions, which are for lenny (altho server is squeeze): http://www.howtoforge.com/hosting-multiple-ssl-web-sites-on-one-ip-address-with-apache-2.2-and-gnutls-debian-lenny |
| 22:53.07 | Anthro | tonytraductor: The problem is that SSL negotiation happens before the request, which includes the expected host, is sent. Straight up vhosts aren't enough. |
| 22:53.12 | zaltekk | themill: i did. maybe it doesn't handle deps properly. |
| 22:53.17 | themill | zaltekk: the output of "aptitude search ~c" might be interesting |
| 22:53.24 | zaltekk | is there a way to use purge with autoremove? |
| 22:53.33 | themill | zaltekk: dependencies cannot and should not be also purged. Seriously... |
| 22:53.33 | tonytraductor | that's why I am using gnutls. afaiunderstand, that is supposed to resolve that issue. |
| 22:53.59 | zaltekk | dependencies that were only installed for that package and that nothing else depends on? |
| 22:54.12 | zaltekk | is there no equivalent to purge for dependencies? |
| 22:54.16 | themill | zaltekk: can you imagine how much *you* would be ranting about serious data loss if apt started deleting config files on you when all you wanted to do was reinstall the package? |
| 22:54.30 | zaltekk | i wouldn't use purge to reinstall |
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| 22:56.11 | zaltekk | i guess the only way to do what i want is to manually purge every left-over dependency that's no longer needed |
| 22:56.15 | zaltekk | rather than use autoremove |
| 22:56.24 | Anthro | tonytraductor: I'm looking at that page. |
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| 22:59.37 | Anthro | tonytraductor: That looks pretty straightforward. Dunno why it isn't working. I wish I could help more. |
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| 23:00.21 | Anthro | tonytraductor: Meanwhile, I now have the same driver set on both the OS X and Debian CUPS config. OS X works, Debian doesn't. Very frustrating. |
| 23:01.05 | zaltekk | themill: any way to find and remove everything that was left behind? or is manually purging the auto-installed deps the only way? |
| 23:01.17 | Anthro | tonytraductor: The only difference is the CUPS version. OS X has a newer one (1.5.1) than squeeze (1.4.4). |
| 23:01.26 | Lovecraft | Not an official solution i suppose, but I use aptitude to make things for deletion, exit and use : deborphan | xargs dpkg --pending --purge |
| 23:01.34 | themill | zaltekk: [22:53] <themill> zaltekk: the output of "aptitude search ~c" might be interesting |
| 23:02.14 | zaltekk | themill: ah. no apt equivalent to that? |
| 23:02.46 | themill | zaltekk: aptitude uses libapt, so does apt-get. aptitude is part of the standard debian install... |
| 23:03.13 | zaltekk | themill: i understand that. but i was asking if aptitude must be used for that |
| 23:03.21 | zaltekk | not a big deal, just curious |
| 23:03.53 | zaltekk | and Lovecraft, that may be whati want |
| 23:04.14 | themill | feel free to write a script that uses dpkg for that |
| 23:04.37 | zaltekk | *sigh* still not what i asked |
| 23:04.46 | zaltekk | i'll assume it's a no |
| 23:04.56 | zaltekk | didn't see anything in the man pages |
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| 23:05.27 | themill | «i was asking if aptitude must be used for that» «eel free to write a script that uses dpkg for that» |
| 23:05.41 | themill | seriously... |
| 23:05.48 | zaltekk | still not what i asked |
| 23:05.50 | zaltekk | don't worry about it |
| 23:06.15 | themill | it is what you asked.... which bit of "you can use dpkg for that" is not an answer to "must I use aptitude for that"? |
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| 23:06.42 | themill | but maybe I've just grown bored of your constant whinging in here already and I should just leave you to it. |
| 23:06.48 | zaltekk | the part where you didn't say "you can use dpkg for that" |
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| 23:08.09 | themill | zaltekk: ummm in every version of English that I know, «[23:04] <themill> feel free to write a script that uses dpkg for that» tells you that you can use dpkg for that. |
| 23:08.50 | scientes | how do i get a tree for lsusb? |
| 23:08.50 | Lovecraft | themill: perhaps you could suggest some commandline pointers? |
| 23:08.56 | scientes | that shows hub relationships |
| 23:09.16 | themill | Lovecraft: sure... aptitude search ~c. But we've been there. |
| 23:09.27 | scientes | lol lsusb -t |
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| 23:09.56 | themill | I have no intention of making more work for myself to replicated the functionality that's already in another standard package. To do so is stupid NIH and a waste of everyone's time. |
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| 23:10.58 | flaggy | hello, anyone know of some etl software available on debian? |
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| 23:12.13 | tremon | apologies for stepping where I probably shouldn't, but the dpkg equivalent for aptitude search ~c is dpkg -la|grep ^rc. No difficult scripting necessary? |
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| 23:14.27 | themill | tremon: it's a close enough equivalent but not exact. It'd do for this situation, yes. (there are plenty of corner cases for the scheduled removal of packages) |
| 23:15.11 | tremon | it's a good thing I don't do package scheduling then :) |
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