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| 00:07.17 | scientes | how can i make a .png file from a .bmp? |
| 00:08.13 | nsadmin | maybe imagemagick can do that |
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| 00:22.49 | nyingen | so I have these function keys on my laptop, e.g. 'F1' key has a 'sleep' icon on it, and pressing 'fn + F1' is supposed to put the computer to sleep. My power button is also a normal key, and pressing it causes 'shutdown -h' to be issued. Where are these functions configured? |
| 00:23.00 | nyingen | I mean, what do I edit to change their functionality? |
| 00:24.02 | DatJGuy| | Could anyone setup a mail server for me? |
| 00:24.23 | abrotman | you? |
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| 00:24.37 | DatJGuy| | been trying for the past 12 hours |
| 00:24.41 | DatJGuy| | Can't get it to work |
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| 00:25.45 | abrotman | nyingen: /etc/acpi/ is where i'd start to look |
| 00:25.53 | abrotman | DatJGuy|: which mail server did you pick? why doesn't it work? |
| 00:26.07 | DatJGuy| | dovecot and postfix |
| 00:26.19 | DatJGuy| | At one point I got pop to work |
| 00:26.29 | DatJGuy| | but smtp wouldn't work. no connection |
| 00:26.38 | DatJGuy| | now netiher works |
| 00:26.40 | nyingen | abrotman: so the hotkeys are configured separately depending on what they are? I'd have thought that there would be some mapping defined somewhere saying what to do for fn+F1, fn+F2, etc |
| 00:26.47 | DatJGuy| | and I haven't the slightest idea why |
| 00:26.53 | nyingen | or is it all in /etc/acpi even if it's not power-related? |
| 00:26.58 | abrotman | nyingen: depends if they are softkeys or bios keys .. |
| 00:27.06 | abrotman | nyingen: you have to have the acpi-support package installed IIRC |
| 00:27.13 | abrotman | DatJGuy|: you have logs .. |
| 00:27.17 | nyingen | what's the difference between softkeys and bios keys? |
| 00:27.28 | DatJGuy| | well no shit |
| 00:27.37 | DatJGuy| | the logs didn't show anything. |
| 00:27.53 | abrotman | DatJGuy|: they have to say something |
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| 00:27.58 | _ProGammer | hi |
| 00:28.07 | _ProGammer | can i give a normal user all root rights ? |
| 00:28.19 | abrotman | _ProGammer: with sudo, sure |
| 00:28.31 | _ProGammer | no without sudo |
| 00:28.42 | abrotman | _ProGammer: then they wouldn't be a normal user |
| 00:28.56 | DatJGuy| | nothing error related |
| 00:29.03 | _ProGammer | how can i create a super user |
| 00:29.09 | DatJGuy| | Showed succesful pop3 login and that's it |
| 00:29.15 | abrotman | _ProGammer: i already told you |
| 00:29.23 | abrotman | DatJGuy|: how are you testing sending mail ? |
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| 00:29.53 | _ProGammer | sudo is the only way |
| 00:30.51 | m1chael | http://www.kdenlive.org/user-manual/downloading-and-installing-kdenlive/pre-compiled-packages/debian-packages # i'm interested in Linux Mint Debian version... when you guys read this, do you think it would work out for me? what do you think the best distro of Debian desktop would be best for me when looking at KdenLive |
| 00:30.54 | DatJGuy| | wuth outlook |
| 00:31.35 | abrotman | DatJGuy|: try testing it from the system |
| 00:31.48 | abrotman | m1chael: ask the Mint channel, this isn't it |
| 00:32.03 | abrotman | m1chael: we support debian, not distros based on Debian |
| 00:32.05 | DatJGuy| | it works fine from the system... |
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| 00:32.28 | abrotman | DatJGuy|: and when you send with outlook, what's the error? |
| 00:32.31 | m1chael | abrotman, i'm new with Debian* .. i'm just looking for the best possible way to get KdenLive working |
| 00:33.02 | craigevil | m1chael, it is in the normal debian repos, also in debian-multimedia.org's repo |
| 00:33.31 | DatJGuy| | Like I said, no connection ( i.e cannot connect) |
| 00:33.34 | m1chael | i had an awful time trying to get it to work in ubuntu/xubuntu |
| 00:33.35 | abrotman | m1chael: Debian has kdenlive |
| 00:33.53 | abrotman | m1chael: again, we support Debian, not Mint, not Ubuntu, not Kubuntu |
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| 00:34.26 | m1chael | i understand that. i'm talking about Debian now. |
| 00:34.39 | abrotman | judd: versions kdenlive |
| 00:34.40 | judd | Package: kdenlive on i386 -- lenny-multimedia: 0.5.svn20080420-0.2; squeeze: 0.7.8-1; squeeze-multimedia: 0.7.8-1.2; wheezy: 0.8.2.1-1; sid: 0.8.2.1-2; sid-multimedia: 1:0.8.2.1-0.0; wheezy-multimedia: 1:0.8.2.1-0.0 |
| 00:34.54 | abrotman | and Debia nalready has kdenlive .. so you just install it |
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| 00:36.21 | m1chael | im also considering switching my server from CentOS to Debian |
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| 00:43.45 | EdePopede | good morning |
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| 00:44.58 | EdePopede | does debian/squeeze behave diffeent when it comes to mounting? user mount for xp partitions does not work at all |
| 00:45.20 | EdePopede | and the debiananwenderhandbuch is absolute beginner level |
| 00:45.23 | sheep | do you have ntfs-3g? |
| 00:45.27 | EdePopede | i do |
| 00:45.37 | EdePopede | ntfs-3g 2010.3.6 integrated FUSE 27 |
| 00:45.59 | EdePopede | i read something on http://www.tuxera.com/community/ntfs-3g-faq/ but does not really help |
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| 00:47.49 | DatJGuy| | good god linux is so complicated. |
| 00:48.06 | DatJGuy| | I give up. No wonder windows is more popular |
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| 00:49.03 | abrotman | or you're not reading the documentation |
| 00:49.08 | abrotman | mail servers are easy |
| 00:49.30 | abrotman | trolling doesn't get your mail server working |
| 00:49.33 | EdePopede | windows is more popular first beacuse of 1) you get it with the new pc 2) softwre + hardware companies MUST support ist 3) normal linux distro is much more than SE or XP or Win7 |
| 00:49.51 | DatJGuy| | whats trolling? |
| 00:50.09 | EdePopede | i think i always had a MS OS with my new PCs... only i don't use it any more ;) |
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| 00:51.12 | EdePopede | abrotman: i think docs were better 10 yrs ago. things are more complicated now and docs more outdated. fstab is from 1999 for example |
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| 00:52.28 | DatJGuy| | What he said |
| 00:53.02 | DatJGuy| | Your argument is moot. Documents nowadays are rarely evvvver update to date, and even more rarely make much sense to the average user. |
| 00:53.22 | abrotman | more trolling .. |
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| 00:53.34 | DatJGuy| | what the hell is trolling? |
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| 00:59.18 | EdePopede | hmm... suid root is mentioned and marked as bad. and then a ntfs group. should there be one in /etc/group? |
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| 01:01.05 | nkuttler | EdePopede: marked as bad? whare you reading? start with /usr/share/doc/ntfs-3g/README.Debian |
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| 01:02.07 | EdePopede | freom http://www.tuxera.com/community/ntfs-3g-faq/#useroption3 → The root user can make an ntfs-3g binary setuid-root [....] Please note that using setuid-root can result unforeseen privilege escalation and its usage is discouraged. |
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| 01:02.22 | nkuttler | EdePopede: start with debian docs |
| 01:02.28 | EdePopede | and this is exactly what i remember about suid root. bad bad bad. |
| 01:02.40 | iluminator101 | how would i copy the look and feel of one system to another system? |
| 01:03.03 | nkuttler | iluminator101: that depends on the programs you use |
| 01:03.23 | tipone | hi, I`m searching a terminal-based postfix manager.. does anybody know command-base package or script or anything |
| 01:04.04 | FDFlock | "< abrotman> mail servers are easy" --> You've got to be kidding! |
| 01:04.13 | abrotman | FDFlock: getting basic functionality? |
| 01:05.05 | tipone | FDFlock, Virtual email users and mailboxes are not eary.. |
| 01:05.21 | tipone | easy* |
| 01:05.21 | FDFlock | abrotman: I think that even that is quite complicated, especially grasping the whole picture |
| 01:06.06 | nkuttler | you can get basic functionality simply by answering a few debconf questions |
| 01:06.10 | FDFlock | heck, even choosing a mail server seems non-trivial to me |
| 01:06.18 | nkuttler | that's why there is a default |
| 01:06.35 | FDFlock | doesn't like defaults, EVER |
| 01:06.35 | tipone | I want to setup a mail server.. manage virtual users.. but I dont want install apache or anything like that |
| 01:06.43 | abrotman | tipone: did you ask #postfix ? |
| 01:06.49 | abrotman | i'm not aware of any such tool |
| 01:06.52 | iluminator101 | what i mean the appearance preferences files can i just garb them and copy it over to other system; whats the systemic way of doing this |
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| 01:07.22 | tipone | abrotman, ok.. Im sorry, you`r right.. |
| 01:07.23 | nkuttler | iluminator101: i have a source code repository for my desktop setup |
| 01:07.31 | nkuttler | iluminator101: well, config sources |
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| 01:08.47 | FDFlock | iluminator101: As long as thhe program versions remain the same (or at least compatible), copying the respective .dotfile sfrom your $HOME should be enough |
| 01:08.54 | mmnicolas | Didn't find any info regarding the maintenance on forums.debian.net, anyone knows what's happening ? |
| 01:09.25 | FDFlock | iluminator101: There are exceptions to that, and i depends on the programs |
| 01:09.29 | FDFlock | *it |
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| 01:10.41 | FDFlock | WTF happened to the IRC server? |
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| 01:11.31 | abrotman | FDFlock: it's really a problem with certain routers |
| 01:11.35 | dvs | ohhhhh. Kick an alumni out eh? |
| 01:11.48 | abrotman | dvs: maybe you should go talk to them ? |
| 01:12.02 | iluminator101 | okay so if there are difference how could put to a text file configuration files of a system |
| 01:12.34 | FDFlock | quite strange |
| 01:13.17 | dvs | meh. |
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| 01:13.30 | mmnicolas | FDFlock: just found this explaining it http://pastebin.com/qq6yuuJ4 |
| 01:13.41 | iluminator101 | just copy gconf? |
| 01:13.43 | FDFlock | iluminator101: there is no such a thing as "configuration files of a system", there are individual programs |
| 01:13.55 | wynn | Does anyone know how to remove a monitor with gapcmon ( a gui monitor for apcupsd)? |
| 01:14.50 | FDFlock | mmnicolas: WOW! That's... ehm... interesting, in a disturbing way |
| 01:15.40 | FDFlock | well, irssi is probably immune |
| 01:15.49 | abrotman | it's not an irc client issue, it's a router issue |
| 01:16.50 | FDFlock | I was thinking the 2nd issue mentioned in the link, you are right about the first one |
| 01:16.54 | EdePopede | hm. don't work. not before and not after modprobe. |
| 01:17.15 | mmnicolas | FDFlock: it's exploiting two different flaws, something in the NAT code of some old routers, and a Symantec countermeasure to the Spybot worm |
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| 01:18.00 | FDFlock | mIRC crashing so easily seems especially ugly, that's what impressed me the most |
| 01:18.12 | abrotman | anyway .. back to Debian .. |
| 01:18.22 | FDFlock | right |
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| 01:21.02 | mmnicolas | I'm surprise nobody filed a bug against the ugliness of debian.org's favicon yet, I'm fixing it at the moment, if anyone thinks I should not, let me know |
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| 01:21.10 | EdePopede | do i have to chmod /dev/fuse 777? |
| 01:21.31 | nkuttler | EdePopede: certainly not |
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| 01:21.45 | EdePopede | so only root can mount xp partitions? |
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| 01:22.13 | abrotman | they just "fxi |
| 01:22.23 | mmnicolas | EdePopede: just add the group fuse to your account |
| 01:23.15 | FDFlock | Favicons are too restrictive, IMO. I'm always impressed by "pixel artists" who manage to present something decent with only 16*16 pixels... |
| 01:23.50 | FDFlock | EdePopede: After adding your account to the fuse group, you should login again before it takes effect... |
| 01:24.30 | FDFlock | EdePopede: Or use this little hack: http://pastebin.com/qq6yuuJ4 |
| 01:24.42 | FDFlock | NO WRONG LINK |
| 01:24.45 | abrotman | mmnicolas: they just "fixed" it |
| 01:24.50 | FDFlock | Jesus, sorry |
| 01:25.04 | FDFlock | I meant this hack: http://superuser.com/a/345051 |
| 01:25.21 | mmnicolas | abrotman: it still looks like shit on dark themes: http://i.imgur.com/R2naq.png |
| 01:25.59 | mmnicolas | FDFlock: that was funny |
| 01:26.36 | FDFlock | mmnicolas: Indeed! Ironically, the 1st link is a "hacker's" (=crackers) doing, while the latter is a real programming hack, a quick way to achieve something useful |
| 01:27.09 | abrotman | mmnicolas: okay ... |
| 01:27.31 | mmnicolas | abrotman: doesn't it ? |
| 01:27.49 | FDFlock | frankly, it does... |
| 01:29.01 | FDFlock | assumes you wanted us to be sincere :P |
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| 01:47.30 | mmnicolas | whoa.. favicon art is indeed not so trivial |
| 01:47.49 | EdePopede | does not work of course. can i simply add the user to /etc/group with vim? |
| 01:48.23 | mmnicolas | usermod -aG fuse EdePopede |
| 01:48.27 | mmnicolas | how could this not work |
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| 01:53.28 | EdePopede | i tried newgrp as in the webpage |
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| 01:54.50 | macx8000 | i compile my kernel to the latest and bam nvidia module error with xserver ' |
| 01:55.39 | macx8000 | then i tried to reinstall my nvideo driver bam kernel is too new for install |
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| 02:01.46 | marina | hi all - was on earlier - still having network problems. Basically i can connect via wireless or by wired network for about the time of a dhcp lease - then i stop being able to ping or get data. |
| 02:02.00 | marina | using wicd now but same problem with network manager. |
| 02:02.22 | marina | once issue happens i need to totally turn down the interfaces and reconnect to get back on. |
| 02:02.35 | marina | manual config - same trouble seems to be. |
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| 02:03.03 | macx8000 | mmnicolas, well i installed the lastest just had to give up on the beta version |
| 02:03.40 | mmnicolas | marina: and it only happens with this device ? or anything connected to your router ? |
| 02:03.45 | marina | ....wondering if computer was compromised - i started having this trouble after i used box on network with bluecoat firewalls. |
| 02:04.21 | marina | mmnicolas, it is just the laptop |
| 02:05.14 | marina | i had a misconfig - wired network on 192.168.1.0/24 and wireless - basically to prevent access from wireless to wired in a sleazy way - but i fixed it. |
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| 02:07.02 | marina | now wired is 192.168.1.0/24 wireless 192.168.3.0/24 and network between wireless and wired is 192.168.2.0/24 |
| 02:07.07 | EdePopede | ntfs-3g-mount: user has no write access to mountpoint /mnt/Y <<< and this with fuse in the groups list... seems i have to change /dev/fuse? |
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| 02:08.25 | mmnicolas | EdePopede: why ?, just do what it asks for, give yourself write permission on the mountpoint |
| 02:09.15 | EdePopede | sigh... it was not the dev -.- ... right |
| 02:11.02 | mmnicolas | marina: so after the lease you can't even ping LAN devices ? (eg. your own gateway) |
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| 02:12.43 | EdePopede | User doesn't have privilege to mount. For more information please see: http://ntfs-3g.org/support.html#unprivileged <<< and that is where i started :/ |
| 02:12.55 | marina | mmnicolas, yes |
| 02:13.16 | marina | mmnicolas, i even purge arp on router and computer. |
| 02:13.20 | dak | . |
| 02:13.24 | marina | mmnicolas, arp -d -a |
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| 02:14.00 | optraz | where is the settings to configure so when my computer idle, it wont goes into sleep mode? (becuase when it is in sleep mode, the netowrk disconnected which i do *not* want that to happen) |
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| 02:15.20 | mmnicolas | optraz: how about power management, in the menu. |
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| 02:16.23 | optraz | mmnicolas: tried that by unchecking the checkbox, but it does not help |
| 02:16.36 | optraz | it still goes into sleep mode which disconnect the network. |
| 02:16.44 | mmnicolas | EdePopede: http://www.tuxera.com/community/ntfs-3g-faq/#useroption |
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| 02:17.42 | mmnicolas | optraz: have you tried turning it off and on again |
| 02:17.46 | EdePopede | http://ntfs-3g.org redirects tu tuxera.com |
| 02:18.17 | optraz | mmnicolas: yes, i did that |
| 02:18.20 | optraz | nothing help |
| 02:19.48 | mmnicolas | optraz: you could remove acpi support and/or apm, or ultimately disable acpi through a boot option |
| 02:19.53 | EdePopede | Solution: Use at least NTFS-3G 1.2506 with setuid-root set <<< and this is what i mentioned before. and one of the first things i learned is suid root is BAD BAD BAD |
| 02:20.20 | mmnicolas | EdePopede: why do you want to do that anyway ? |
| 02:20.39 | EdePopede | because i want to mount xp partitions as normal user |
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| 02:20.50 | EdePopede | something that worked before |
| 02:21.08 | mmnicolas | EdePopede: you might have success by specifying everything you need in fstab |
| 02:21.19 | EdePopede | i have |
| 02:22.01 | optraz | mmnicolas: well i just do not want the laptop goes into sleep mode, that's it, why should i remove acpi/apm support |
| 02:22.03 | EdePopede | ....ntfs-3g ro,users,fmask=133,dmask=022,locale=de_DE.UTF-8,noauto 0 0 <<< so what is wrong here? |
| 02:22.04 | optraz | that's sounds wrong to me |
| 02:22.20 | mmnicolas | optraz: if it's a laptop, yes it's wrong |
| 02:22.37 | mmnicolas | EdePopede: look at the fstab line here: http://wiki.debian.org/NTFS |
| 02:23.25 | quebre | hello |
| 02:23.43 | quebre | is there a version of lib32asound2-plugins higher than 1.0.23-1+b1 ? |
| 02:23.55 | quebre | because with 1.0.23 the sound is stuttering |
| 02:23.55 | mmnicolas | optraz: I just tested it with a laptop of mine and unchecking that box does prevent it from going to sleep |
| 02:24.09 | quebre | err:winediag:AUDDRV_GetAudioEndpoint PulseAudio "default" -22 without handle_underrun. Audio may hang. Please upgrade to alsa_plugins >= 1.0.24 |
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| 02:25.23 | quebre | so.. is there more recent version of lib32asound2-plugins for debian ? |
| 02:25.25 | mmnicolas | quebre: totally not getting why you need to ask this, for someone to answer he will have to something you can easily do yourself, look up the backports or packages.debian.org |
| 02:25.42 | optraz | mmnicolas: really....? have you leave your laptop to idle for a substantial durations? |
| 02:25.43 | quebre | mmnicolas: i need to ask because dont know where to look |
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| 02:26.35 | mmnicolas | quebre: packages.debian.org |
| 02:27.07 | quebre | mmnicolas: only 1.0.23-1+b1: amd64 on packages.debian.org, that's why i'm asking, perhaps someone know about unofficial lib32asound2-plugins package |
| 02:27.11 | mmnicolas | optraz: yes, it was set to 15 minutes, and it's been 20 or so |
| 02:27.16 | quebre | higher than 1.0.23 |
| 02:28.13 | mmnicolas | quebre: http://backports-master.debian.org/Packages/ |
| 02:28.19 | abrotman | judd: versions lib32asound2-plugins |
| 02:28.20 | judd | No package named 'lib32asound2-plugins' was found in i386. |
| 02:28.26 | abrotman | judd: versions lib32asound2-plugins --arch amd64 |
| 02:28.27 | judd | Package: lib32asound2-plugins on amd64 -- squeeze: 1.0.23-1+b1 |
| 02:28.35 | quebre | 1.0.23 is broken |
| 02:28.56 | abrotman | that's the version in squeeze |
| 02:29.15 | optraz | mmnicolas: if you set to 15minutes, then why in the h*ll it did *not* go into sleep mode?! |
| 02:29.27 | quebre | the sound is stuttering with this version |
| 02:29.28 | mmnicolas | mmnicolas: because the box is unchecked :) |
| 02:29.30 | quebre | wine reports that |
| 02:29.34 | quebre | and it's infact stuttering |
| 02:29.58 | quebre | -22 without handle_underrun. Audio may hang. Please upgrade to alsa_plugins >= 1.0.24 |
| 02:30.01 | quebre | see ? |
| 02:30.41 | mmnicolas | optraz: but it normally does go to sleep |
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| 02:31.06 | optraz | mmnicolas: i told you, i do not want that because it shutdown my network connection and it goes into deep sleep mode.. |
| 02:31.14 | optraz | mmnicolas: i just want it to be blank screen, that's it |
| 02:31.31 | dioz | i got this box that isn't mine that recently was updated without me being around or anything so idk what happened |
| 02:31.44 | dioz | when i ps aux after a reset i see a bunch of processes |
| 02:31.46 | dioz | /bin/sh -c /sbin/modprobe --use-blacklist --all $(while read id; do echo pnp:d$id; done < /sys/devi |
| 02:31.56 | mmnicolas | optraz: I'm not saying otherwise, I unchecked that box, it does not go to sleep anymore. |
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| 02:32.11 | dioz | there's about 10 of these processes and idk where they came from |
| 02:33.02 | mmnicolas | optraz: you're using the gnome power management dialog right ? |
| 02:33.29 | optraz | mmnicolas: yes, i am using gnome classic |
| 02:34.00 | optraz | mmnicolas: i did uncheck and i did that for at least three times and wait, and it goes into sleep mode. no lying here. |
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| 02:35.51 | mmnicolas | optraz: try disabling it system-wide by editing: /etc/default/acpi-support |
| 02:36.17 | mmnicolas | add things like this: ACPI_HIBERNATE=false and ACPI_SLEEP=false |
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| 02:37.22 | mmnicolas | you'll need to reboot |
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| 02:40.46 | optraz | mmnicolas: ok, that's something to look into it. thanks |
| 02:41.23 | seeker61 | still having resolution issues with squeeze using gnome wm. i can change resolution but it will not stay at that resolution. when screen is unlocked with password i am at different resolution again |
| 02:43.41 | mmnicolas | seeker61: intel igp ? |
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| 02:49.21 | seeker60 | nicolas: video card is on motherboard of emachine |
| 02:50.18 | seeker60 | nicolas: takes a nividia chipset for motherboard if that helps |
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| 02:52.03 | seeker61 | nicolas: my nick changed for some reason video card is on motherboard which takes a nividia chipset |
| 02:54.06 | somiaj | seeker61: check /var/log/Xorg.0.log and see what xorg is saying about your resolution and why it chooses the one it does. |
| 02:54.20 | somiaj | seeker61: you may have to make a small custom xorg.conf file to tell xorg the resolution you want on login |
| 02:57.30 | EdePopede | whatever i do.... i can not mount xp partitions as user |
| 02:58.13 | seeker61 | somiaj:wow i am realizing real fast how novice i am where is a good place to go to read about what you just told me |
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| 02:58.51 | somiaj | seeker61: experience at looking for info about your issue. logs are good places to look. so 'less /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 02:58.57 | somiaj | seeker61: try to read though it |
| 02:59.09 | somiaj | EdePopede: what have you tried? by xp partitions do you mean vfat or ntfs? |
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| 02:59.42 | EdePopede | none of them. ntfs on hd, vfat und usb stick |
| 02:59.54 | somiaj | EdePopede: and what have you tried? |
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| 03:00.18 | seeker61 | somiaj: thank you i am looking at the Xorg.0.log and it is talking about loading each of the video drivers so what exactly am i looking for when i read through this file |
| 03:00.20 | EdePopede | add user to fuse group |
| 03:00.29 | EdePopede | copy an example from debian wiki |
| 03:00.34 | EdePopede | (to fstab) |
| 03:00.54 | somiaj | seeker61: something to do with resolutions and its choice...not sure exactally what |
| 03:00.57 | EdePopede | last thing now is make /dev/fuse 777 |
| 03:01.09 | EdePopede | and forget about linux rights management completely |
| 03:01.30 | EdePopede | http://wiki.debian.org/NTFS |
| 03:01.33 | somiaj | seeker61: you can search that log file for say the solution it finds |
| 03:01.37 | EdePopede | http://www.tuxera.com/community/ntfs-3g-faq/#useroption |
| 03:01.50 | EdePopede | usermod -aG fuse |
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| 03:02.04 | somiaj | EdePopede: alrighty, but none of those things actually mount the file system. What have you do to try to mount the file system. If it was an fstab entry, provide the fstab entry, the command you typed, and any errors you get |
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| 03:02.18 | seeker61 | somiaj: i searched for resolution and it did not find it |
| 03:02.41 | EdePopede | as user only mount $where - rest only works for root |
| 03:03.21 | EdePopede | last fstab was the example from the wiki |
| 03:03.30 | somiaj | EdePopede: unless you start to give some more details it is hard to say what is going wrong. But yes unless you use sudo or make a valid entry in fstab, a user won't be able to mount/umount a filesystem. |
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| 03:04.15 | somiaj | seeker61: search for the resolution it is setting. It might call it a mode |
| 03:04.15 | EdePopede | ok, simple queastion: what must the fstab line be so i can mount ntfs partitions? |
| 03:04.15 | Lovecraft | That chmod +777 stuff is pointless and pur noobishness |
| 03:04.15 | EdePopede | mount $where |
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| 03:04.27 | somiaj | EdePopede: why not give us the fstab entry you are using and we'll help fix it |
| 03:04.43 | EdePopede | <EdePopede> ....ntfs-3g ro,users,fmask=133,dmask=022,locale=de_DE.UTF-8,noauto 0 0 <<< so what is wrong here? |
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| 03:04.57 | EdePopede | btw fstab manual is from 1999 |
| 03:05.02 | somiaj | you don't ever list the parttion table (Device) you want to mount |
| 03:05.06 | EdePopede | or mount, dunno anymore |
| 03:05.17 | somiaj | you also need to list the mountpoint as well |
| 03:05.31 | somiaj | so it is <device> <mountpoint> <then what you have> |
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| 03:06.03 | EdePopede | and WHAT do i want to have? |
| 03:06.22 | somiaj | what ever the actual device partition is and where ever you want to actually mount it on your system. |
| 03:06.46 | somiaj | something like /dev/sda3 and /media/my_ntfs_partition |
| 03:06.52 | EdePopede | sigh |
| 03:06.54 | EdePopede | and then? |
| 03:06.56 | seeker61 | somiaj: looks like it is useing the nouveau driver should it be using vesa |
| 03:07.07 | EdePopede | works for extfs, does not work for ntfs |
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| 03:07.50 | somiaj | seeker61: no nouveau driver is better than vesa, if that is the one you want to use, what resolution does it detect vs what resolution do you want to set it to |
| 03:08.06 | somiaj | EdePopede: give us a correct fstab line and then the error when you type 'mount /path/to/mountpoint' |
| 03:08.19 | EdePopede | i remember i did before. but since i am back for less than 1 year now on debian after ~10yrs having suse, not sure if it was not before the change |
| 03:09.09 | somiaj | EdePopede: what is your ntfs partion and where do you want to mount it? |
| 03:09.23 | seeker61 | somiaj: in lenny there was a file to go to to tell it what driver to use and what resolutions to make available does squeeze have a similar file |
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| 03:09.43 | EdePopede | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:10.06 | EdePopede | ntfs-3g-mount: mount failed: Die Operation ist nicht erlaubt |
| 03:10.07 | EdePopede | User doesn't have privilege to mount. For more information |
| 03:10.07 | EdePopede | please see: http://ntfs-3g.org/support.html#unprivileged |
| 03:10.23 | EdePopede | and that one redirects to that company website |
| 03:10.36 | somiaj | seeker61: its a similar file, /etc/X11/xorg.conf -- but in squeeze most things are automatic so you only need a small part of that file |
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| 03:10.52 | somiaj | EdePopede: you should use a UUID, so do a 'ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid' |
| 03:11.26 | somiaj | EdePopede: figure out what the UUID of your actual parition is and then do UUID=<uuid> /mnt/Y ntfs-3g ro,user,fmask=133,dmask=022,locale=de_DE.UTF-8,noauto 0 0 |
| 03:11.29 | EdePopede | id at least tells me what disk it is |
| 03:11.47 | EdePopede | here i know it is partition 5 from the 120GB seagate |
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| 03:17.00 | Lovecraft | iluminator101: pwd .. |
| 03:17.05 | Lovecraft | no no no |
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| 03:17.06 | Lovecraft | pwd |
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| 03:17.21 | Lovecraft | Use $(pwd) too. |
| 03:17.31 | dkeav | has anyone had any problems with gstreamer being broken on wheezy? |
| 03:17.55 | seeker61 | somiaj: there is nothing in /etc/X11/xorg.conf what things should i put in it |
| 03:17.56 | dkeav | i even --reinstalled some of the gstreamer libs, but all gstreamer clients just error |
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| 03:19.48 | EdePopede | as expected: does not work |
| 03:20.13 | deep | Hi Folks: |
| 03:20.50 | iluminator101 | thanks Lovecraft |
| 03:21.04 | Lovecraft | :) yay |
| 03:21.44 | EdePopede | wait... sda*+sdb* are root:disk ... why is sdc*+sdd* root:floppy? |
| 03:22.31 | deep | I am using Sandfox to sandbox Firefox, does that mean the query from any Javascript is limited to sandboxed envirnoment; or Javascripts can be written to access the mother filesystem? Thanks |
| 03:22.33 | EdePopede | ich am in group floppy, but not in group disk, hmmm |
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| 03:22.48 | EdePopede | but can mount disk, but not floppy |
| 03:23.37 | EdePopede | maybe the stuff for linux specific fs is in kernelspace and that for xp is not? |
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| 03:35.45 | dkeav | fixed |
| 03:35.56 | dkeav | gstreamer issue, was rm -rf ~/.gstreamer0.10 |
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| 03:38.49 | deep | Hi Guys: Can anyone answer my question again: I am using Sandfox to sandbox Firefox, does that mean the query from any Javascript is limited to sandboxed envirnoment; or Javascripts can be written to access the mother filesystem? Thanks |
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| 03:42.38 | Rusty1 | deep: whilst waiting , there is a #firefox channel where you might ask as well |
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| 04:12.49 | klys | is going to pastebin my configuration |
| 04:13.36 | klys | SirManiac: hello |
| 04:13.41 | Kobaz | how would i rsync a directory with a space in the name |
| 04:13.53 | Kobaz | over ssh.. |
| 04:13.55 | Kobaz | works fine locally |
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| 04:14.26 | Kobaz | rsync -rauP localhost:"/tmp/a b c" "d e f"/ I get: rsync: link_stat "/usr/home/kobaz/b" failed: No such file or directory (2) rsync: link_stat "/usr/home/kobaz/c" failed: No such file or directory (2) |
| 04:14.28 | klys | Kobaz: maybe try nfs |
| 04:14.46 | Kobaz | obviously it's treating a b and c as separate arguments |
| 04:14.50 | klys | SirManiac: hello |
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| 04:15.02 | YogSottoth | Kobaz: Tried escaping the space with a \ ? |
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| 04:15.13 | SirManiac | klys: private chat isn't working? |
| 04:15.15 | Kobaz | ah okay |
| 04:15.19 | klys | thx |
| 04:15.31 | Kobaz | YogSottoth: so you need to quote it, *and* escape it |
| 04:15.42 | Kobaz | i tried escaping it before |
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| 04:15.44 | klys | ~pastebin |
| 04:15.45 | apt | [~pastebin] A "pastebin" is a web-based service where you should paste anything over 3 lines so you don't flood the channel. Here are links to a few : http://www.pastebin.com , http://pastebin.ca , http://channels.debian.net/paste , http://paste.lisp.org , http://bin.cakephp.org/ , http://asterisk.pastey.net/ , or install pastebinit with yum or aptitude. |
| 04:15.45 | YogSottoth | Perhaps .. one way to know. |
| 04:15.47 | Kobaz | rsync -rauP localhost:"/tmp/a\ b\ c" "d e f"/ |
| 04:15.51 | Kobaz | that works |
| 04:15.54 | YogSottoth | Cool |
| 04:16.15 | Kobaz | you know that's been getting me for years |
| 04:16.20 | klys | SirManiac: yes I can read you |
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| 04:16.38 | Kobaz | what i tend to do is do dir* or i rename the directory so it doesn't have a space |
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| 04:28.49 | klys | went to http://pastebin.ca and the submit button wouldn't work |
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| 04:36.43 | DatJGuy| | what does it mean when my mail server says it doens't allow relying? |
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| 04:38.37 | klys | http://pastebin.ca/2126998 |
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| 04:39.45 | klys | datjguy|: for mail originating on another host |
| 04:39.55 | DatJGuy| | Figured it out |
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| 04:42.38 | SirManiac | klys: there's a log going on in the log, what problem are you having? |
| 04:43.04 | klys | mostly my system is too slow |
| 04:43.27 | SirManiac | *a tlo |
| 04:43.32 | SirManiac | * a lot |
| 04:43.52 | klys | I guess I have a lot installed |
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| 04:45.47 | SirManiac | klys: What sort of slowness? Slugishness in the UI? slowness in launching programs? lots of hard disk thrashing? |
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| 04:46.29 | klys | launching programs |
| 04:48.38 | SirManiac | I can think of a few things that would give you a perfomance hit... Hard disk fragmentation and memory being full would probablybe the 2 most likely. |
| 04:49.08 | klys | would swap help? |
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| 04:49.56 | SirManiac | If you are using swap, most of the time on machines with 2GB or more, swap is not used that often. |
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| 04:50.20 | SirManiac | you can see if much swap is being used in top. |
| 04:50.35 | klys | MemTotal: 321644 kB |
| 04:50.46 | Lovecraft | Disk frgmentation is a non-issue under Linux, and so is memory management. |
| 04:51.04 | LtL | klys: this is flood safe, type, '/exec -o uptime' no quotes. you're low on ram too. |
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| 04:51.12 | SirManiac | It can be an issue in extreme cases... |
| 04:51.34 | klys | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:52.10 | LtL | klys: well, it's not working too hard. cpu clock speed is how fast? |
| 04:52.33 | klys | cpu MHz : 299.898 |
| 04:52.40 | SirManiac | ext3 still fragments, it just doesn't so it as badly as filesystems like fat, most of the time it is a non-issue except for some special cases. |
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| 04:53.01 | SirManiac | oh wow, it's a classic :D |
| 04:53.45 | LtL | klys: try disabling services you don't need, but that box isn't going to be fast period. |
| 04:53.51 | SirManiac | what windowing system are you using, that's below the specs of gnome or kde |
| 04:54.03 | klys | blackbox |
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| 04:54.39 | klys | you should see that in the paste |
| 04:55.40 | SirManiac | so do you have swap? You'll need it with that amount of ram. |
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| 04:55.53 | klys | no |
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| 04:56.53 | SirManiac | Know how to set it up? |
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| 04:57.14 | klys | I suppose I could make a swap file on /c fat32 |
| 04:57.31 | norberto1039 | someone can help me with hybrid video card? |
| 04:57.50 | norberto1039 | my screen keeps blink |
| 04:58.00 | SirManiac | I ahven't worked with linux swap FILES much, it's recommended to give it it's own partition... |
| 04:59.00 | norberto1039 | and i have two video cards, onde dedicated and one on board |
| 04:59.04 | norberto1039 | one* |
| 04:59.40 | LtL | klys: a swap file 1.5 times the amount of physical RAM at the minimum is a must. make it more.. |
| 04:59.48 | SirManiac | Gparted can help you with that... Back in the day I used about that much ram, I beleive the recommendation was to make the swap partition twice the size of ram. |
| 05:00.44 | LtL | klys: if you don't use your serial and parallel interface disable them in system BIOS, it will help. |
| 05:01.10 | SirManiac | Ltl: with performance, how so? |
| 05:01.37 | LtL | SirManiac: kernel latency, got the tip from gnarface, it helps. |
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| 05:01.45 | SirManiac | cool |
| 05:03.43 | klys | did swapon /c/swap.swp |
| 05:04.08 | klys | 480 MB swap |
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| 05:05.13 | klys | 940 MB free on /c, 21 MB free on / |
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| 05:05.55 | SirManiac | That should help with slowdowns due to memory, anyway. If you have room, I'd recommend putting that swap in it;s own partition. |
| 05:06.29 | klys | when I ran fips I didn't have a floppy :* |
| 05:06.39 | LtL | klys: if you're running squeeze, i think you're doing pretty good considering. |
| 05:07.05 | klys | is running lenny with linux sources on chrooted etch |
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| 05:08.07 | klys | etch to lenny is really a pain because libc6 requires kernel 2.6 |
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| 05:10.29 | SirManiac | hmm, I haven't tried recent kernels on older computers, they might not work that great. |
| 05:11.13 | klys | you hqave to recompile to support pci ide |
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| 05:11.33 | klys | you also have to reecompile to support ext2fs built into the kernel |
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| 05:13.37 | klys | at least that's what happened with the kernel-image deb |
| 05:13.48 | SirManiac | It's nice to see that bare minimum for lenny is 44MB Ram and 500MB disk space... |
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| 05:14.44 | SirManiac | Though I've run debian chroots on arm devices before, so it souldn't come as too much of a surprize... |
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| 05:16.39 | klys | you have an arm device? |
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| 05:17.31 | SirManiac | I own a sharp zaurus and installed a compact flash HDD... |
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| 05:18.49 | SirManiac | I don't use it anymore, but had some fun with openembedded and debian chroots on it. |
| 05:21.29 | klys | what was CONFIG_ARCH_ ? |
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| 05:21.58 | klys | i set my arm config to CONFIG_ARCH_VERSATILE |
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| 05:23.17 | loginix | y0 |
| 05:24.14 | SirManiac | hmm, no sure, it's been a while, I think All that was set with MACHINE='spitz' |
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| 05:25.37 | klys | how fast is your machine? |
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| 05:27.07 | SirManiac | 416 MHz |
| 05:27.16 | oneko | I suppose this is a general linux administration question. I have a server process (my program) that I'd like to start with a user account instead of root. Is putting it in that user's crontab @reboot a good practice? Any other best way to do it? |
| 05:28.12 | buyoq | login as a user then su root |
| 05:28.13 | buyoq | that's it |
| 05:28.38 | SirManiac | users crontab I think is traditional unix, most cronntabs support an etc/crontab as well though, and there you can specify the user. |
| 05:29.09 | SirManiac | most crons on linux support an /etc/crontab anyway |
| 05:29.44 | oneko | ok |
| 05:30.06 | klys | cake a look at /usr/sbin/apache2ctl which is run as root |
| 05:30.40 | SirManiac | the /etc/crontab has the virtue of being a bit more conspicuous, atleast I don't think to look in var spool for when programs start. |
| 05:30.50 | somiaj | oneko: there is a user crontab, run 'crontab -l' as a user. man 1 crontab |
| 05:31.16 | oneko | My "startup script" is an init.d style script, loosely modeled after apachectl. The actual server process is a python program started with "twisted", which does support dropping to a user |
| 05:31.28 | somiaj | oneko: though you can also write a script an run a command as a paticular user within it |
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| 05:31.32 | klys | *yawn* |
| 05:31.59 | oneko | somiaj: that's what I'm going to recommend to users.. setting up a user account to run the process, then using that user's crontab to run it and schedule certain tasks |
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| 05:32.30 | SirManiac | If you need it to start at boot, init.d is probably better, you can use start-stop-daemon(for debian based systems) to change to a given user. |
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| 05:33.26 | oneko | I have a big mix of platforms I run on… each one always has a nice facility for this (start-stop-daemon, launchd, etc.) I'm trying to be as general as possible |
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| 05:33.37 | oneko | Anyway thanks for the advice |
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| 06:03.21 | ^tiNee^ | can anyone help with grub install |
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| 06:03.31 | man_in_shack | waves |
| 06:03.32 | ^tiNee^ | it wont let me install it onto hd0 |
| 06:03.38 | man_in_shack | what login managers are there as an alternative to gdm? |
| 06:04.05 | man_in_shack | i'd like something gtk-ish, so not kdm |
| 06:04.15 | ^tiNee^ | man_in_shack, how about slim |
| 06:04.58 | man_in_shack | last time i used it it was very sluggish |
| 06:05.08 | ^tiNee^ | oh |
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| 06:07.48 | SirManiac | try this: apt-cache search "display manager" |
| 06:08.22 | ^tiNee^ | im getting this error when trying to install grub |
| 06:08.24 | ^tiNee^ | http://pastebin.com/9whxxdJa |
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| 06:08.39 | ^tiNee^ | can anyone lend a hand? |
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| 06:09.41 | SirManiac | it looks like you /boot partition is full, can you post the results of "df -h" ? |
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| 06:11.53 | man_in_shack | thanks SirManiac |
| 06:11.57 | man_in_shack | i gonna try lightdm |
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| 06:17.29 | nsc_ | hi |
| 06:17.31 | ^tiNee^ | http://pastebin.com/u2pinytC |
| 06:17.35 | ^tiNee^ | sorry had to type it out |
| 06:18.16 | SirManiac | np, sorry you had to go to that much trouble... |
| 06:18.36 | ^tiNee^ | i installed linux countless times on my laptop not sure why my desktop is giving me so much trouble |
| 06:19.37 | SirManiac | It's definitely the boot partition... It needs to be resized, I think they recommend something like 300-500MB for it's size. |
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| 06:20.11 | tvm | 936kB for /boot definitely isn't enough |
| 06:20.16 | ^tiNee^ | but im trying to install it on my windows partition |
| 06:20.21 | ^tiNee^ | which is on hd0 |
| 06:21.54 | SirManiac | I'm guessing you are still in the install, it's already added 4 partitions to your hard disk, for some reason it didn't size things quite right. |
| 06:22.19 | ^tiNee^ | i guess ill boot up gparted and partition it again |
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| 06:22.36 | tvm | you can use installer to repartition your drive |
| 06:22.43 | SirManiac | that should work, make sure the /boot is atleast 300MB |
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| 06:22.56 | ^tiNee^ | would i have to point it to that partition |
| 06:23.05 | ^tiNee^ | or will it autodetect it from a debian install |
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| 06:23.43 | SirManiac | I'm not sure, anyone know if debian install will do that automatically? |
| 06:23.50 | tvm | you shouldn't worry about anything at all, if you use installer and create correctly sized /boot partition |
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| 06:24.47 | ^tiNee^ | ill repartition and try again thanks |
| 06:25.04 | ^tiNee^ | my first time tryingto install grub in /boot |
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| 06:25.18 | tvm | you'll need grub in the MBR though |
| 06:25.21 | ^tiNee^ | normall it automatically install it into my mbr not sure why its not doing it now |
| 06:25.29 | tvm | and add correct entry for your windows partition |
| 06:25.47 | ^tiNee^ | yea its not installing into mbr |
| 06:26.00 | SirManiac | It installs the boot part in the MBR, and then has other parts it gets from elsewhere |
| 06:26.36 | SirManiac | that's what the /boot is for, to hold the other parts of grub, and also the kernel to boot linux with. |
| 06:26.41 | tvm | yes. |
| 06:27.11 | SirManiac | so that's your problem, it needs space in that partition too. |
| 06:27.17 | Lovecraft | By the way, a boot partition isn't a requirement, it is a holdover from the days for bioses that had a hard time booting what was at the time large drives. |
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| 06:27.39 | n3storm | hi everyone |
| 06:28.05 | SirManiac | true, if you don't make a /boot, it will put it on your root partition |
| 06:28.19 | n3storm | I accidentally removed /etc/init directory |
| 06:28.42 | n3storm | and I'm trying to reinstall everything with aptitude reinstall '~i' |
| 06:29.05 | n3storm | but it says thre is a package that cannot be located |
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| 06:29.17 | n3storm | and refuses to do the install |
| 06:29.25 | n3storm | any help will be much appreciatted |
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| 06:31.29 | n3storm | any tip? |
| 06:32.03 | SirManiac | I haven't had experience with that, what is the exact error message when you run the command? |
| 06:32.14 | n3storm | is in spanish |
| 06:32.16 | n3storm | I will try |
| 06:32.27 | n3storm | E: No se pudo localizar un archivo para el paquete linux-image-3.1.0-1-486. Esto puede significar que necesita arreglar manualmente este paquete. |
| 06:32.30 | Lovecraft | n3storm: There is a 'force' option under apt-get. |
| 06:32.43 | Lovecraft | Maybe you ought to make a backup. |
| 06:32.57 | Lovecraft | Looking toward a reinstalation, that is. |
| 06:33.05 | man_in_shack | LIES |
| 06:33.10 | man_in_shack | oops, wrong channel |
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| 06:33.41 | engla | n3storm: because that package does not exist in the debian release you are using anymore |
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| 06:33.49 | n3storm | this doesn't make any difference Lovecraft: aptitude -f reinstall '~i' |
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| 06:34.08 | n3storm | engla is there a way to "hide it"? |
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| 06:34.35 | engla | Ï don't know |
| 06:34.40 | engla | heh, *I |
| 06:34.52 | n3storm | about backing up, no prob :) I'm ready for that |
| 06:35.03 | n3storm | just giving apt-dpkg-aptitude a last chance |
| 06:35.43 | SirManiac | you might need to get the list of packages that use init, something like 'dpkg -S /etc/init', and then specify that list on the aptitude commmand line. |
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| 06:36.20 | tvm | n3storm: why not use something like dpkg -S /etc/init.d to list packages that had files in the given directory and then reinstall them ? |
| 06:36.21 | n3storm | good idea SirManiac |
| 06:36.41 | engla | also, are the init files "configuration files" in debian? |
| 06:36.56 | engla | (in that case you need to force it to reinstall conf files too) |
| 06:37.19 | n3storm | dpkg -S 'etc/init' |
| 06:37.20 | dpkg | Badgers ate my 'etc/init'! |
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| 06:40.55 | n3storm | no way |
| 06:41.05 | n3storm | it doesn't find anything at /etc/init |
| 06:41.45 | SirManiac | dpkg -S '/etc/init' doesn't list anything? |
| 06:41.46 | dpkg | There is no record of a '/etc/init' doesn't list anything package |
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| 06:41.53 | n3storm | yes |
| 06:41.59 | n3storm | but everything is at /etc/init.d/ |
| 06:42.03 | n3storm | not /etc/init/ |
| 06:42.08 | SirManiac | and it was /etc/init, and not /etc/init.d? |
| 06:42.16 | SirManiac | that you lost, I mean? |
| 06:42.16 | n3storm | riwght |
| 06:42.19 | n3storm | yes |
| 06:42.39 | n3storm | while making a custom upstart file |
| 06:42.42 | n3storm | funny |
| 06:42.56 | SirManiac | hmmm... |
| 06:43.03 | SirManiac | it lists okay on my command line... |
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| 06:43.43 | SirManiac | Maybe someone with the same OS as you can pass you that list, I can give you mine, but it's ubuntu |
| 06:44.08 | n3storm | maybe reinstall everything with init.d |
| 06:44.21 | n3storm | mmm |
| 06:44.33 | SirManiac | maybe, since they are both related |
| 06:44.39 | n3storm | yes |
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| 06:45.12 | SirManiac | Atleast on ubuntu eveything thing with an upstart script also has a dummy init.d script |
| 06:45.30 | n3storm | I'm using wheezy |
| 06:47.18 | SirManiac | anyone with wheezy care to paste the results of 'dpkg -S /etc/init'? |
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| 06:47.27 | ^tiNee^ | ahh i think i got it this time |
| 06:47.43 | ^tiNee^ | i think i fubar partitioning and it didnt let me install grub |
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| 06:48.41 | kephra | I wonder, why my self compiled .ko kernel modules are about 10 times bigger, than their Debian counterparts - both are not stripped - stripping my own .ko modules reduces the size to a sane value, but results in modules that do not load, because of symbols stripped |
| 06:48.54 | kephra | http://kephra.de/src/config-329.txt <- thats my config *oups* well lots of modules - but 1.7GB is way to much (compareable debian kernel has 130MB)) |
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| 06:49.19 | SirManiac | here's mine, it will probably error on some package help you get some of it back: |
| 06:49.20 | SirManiac | http://pastebin.com/FMvqAa0q |
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| 06:49.44 | SirManiac | *error on some packages, but help you get... |
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| 06:51.24 | Name141 | has debian started using ext4? |
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| 06:53.14 | zilvin | what do you mean by saying 'has debian started'? :) debian does support ext4 for quite a while now, and you can choose the fs when partitioning your hdd |
| 06:53.27 | SirManiac | found this on an ubuntu page: |
| 06:53.27 | SirManiac | "A workaround is to set CONFIG_DEBUG_INFO=n in the .config file." |
| 06:53.39 | Name141 | zilvin: oh. I thought it was using ext3. |
| 06:53.48 | SirManiac | that was for kephra, BTW |
| 06:54.09 | zilvin | Name141: debian uses whatever you specify it to use |
| 06:54.36 | Name141 | is there really any need over one or the other? |
| 06:54.44 | zilvin | unless you are talking about the live dvd, then my answer is 'i don't know' :) |
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| 06:55.05 | kephra | lets check |
| 06:55.11 | zilvin | i've heard that ext4 is somewhat not as stable as ext3 |
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| 06:55.19 | zilvin | my choice in a production environment would be ext3 |
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| 06:55.46 | zilvin | i remember, there was a time, when i said the same about ext2 |
| 06:56.02 | SirManiac | kephra: link to the Q&A: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelCustomBuild |
| 06:56.06 | zilvin | apparently, i had to abandon ext2 and go for ext3, so i suppose in the near future the same will happen with ext3/ext4 :) |
| 06:56.30 | SirManiac | it's for ubuntu, but that part seems pertinent. |
| 06:56.58 | sxpert | zilvin: it all depends on the use. if your / dir is on flash, ext2 is superior |
| 06:57.00 | kephra | SirManiac, debian /boot/config-3.2.0-1-amd64 claims CONFIG_DEBUG_INFO=y ;-( |
| 06:57.43 | zilvin | sxpert: could you please tell me why is ext2 better on flash than ext3? i'm not a big expert in FS'es, so I would appretiate any info :) |
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| 06:58.32 | SirManiac | kephra: "We compile our kernels with debug symbols to create the debug packages. In our build process, we strip the debug symbols from the modules in the main package.", maybe it will still work |
| 06:58.39 | Lovecraft | zilvin: perhaps the size of the journal, and the continual rw to it. |
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| 06:59.00 | Lovecraft | google ext3 +flashdrive |
| 06:59.03 | kephra | zilvin, because the transaction log is written at the same place all the time - this is a problem for OLD flash discs - newer discs shuffle real blocks in this case |
| 06:59.32 | zilvin | oh, I get it :) ok. will do my research |
| 06:59.48 | zilvin | and by saying flash, do you include ssd's? |
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| 07:00.58 | SirManiac | zilvin: try google search for "SSDs and ext4" |
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| 07:04.10 | zilvin | so are you saying that if i get an ssd, i should only use ext2 in order for it not to wear out as quickly? |
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| 07:05.50 | SirManiac | I htink ssds are smarter and can handle writing in one place, one document I cam across does mention using a special option... |
| 07:06.19 | SirManiac | this touches on that subject: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Solid_State_Drives#Choice_of_Filesystem |
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| 07:08.05 | ^tiNee^ | goodnight everyone |
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| 07:08.49 | SirManiac | kephra: more help on using CONFIG_DEBUG_INFO: http://users.wowway.com/~zlinuxman/Kernel.htm#Configure |
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| 07:16.29 | FloridaGuy | my pc has 6 gig of ram right now. It will hold 16 gig max. If i put the 16 gig in would there be a big preformence increase? |
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| 07:18.09 | Woet | FloridaGuy: what do you use the machine for? does it run out of ram sometimes? |
| 07:19.42 | FloridaGuy | In windows i use adobe photoshop CS5 for photo editing... multimedia station |
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| 07:22.13 | terr_ | A friend has asked me to transfer his files from a (get this) 286 with a 500+ MB HDD (I didn't know this was possible) onto his newest computer. The old machine is running DOS and windows 3.11 It has typical interfaces from that by gone time. I likely have DOS SCSI available but that is a bit of work. Any other suggestions? |
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| 07:23.06 | zilvin | use floppy diskettes:)))))))) |
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| 07:24.43 | Jckf | How should I go about upgrading the hardware in my Debian server? If I just power it down, exchange the motherboard, CPU and RAM, then power it on again, will I have any issues? |
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| 07:25.47 | Lovecraft | Jckf: Unless you did a custom kernel, it should be fine. networkdevices may change... |
| 07:26.03 | Lovecraft | Vidoe devices might not fly well. |
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| 07:30.42 | terr_ | zilvin painful |
| 07:31.14 | terr_ | Jckf: You should be fine |
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| 07:31.43 | terr_ | Jckf: I never do it like that. I always start fresh with a new machine... since they are so cheap |
| 07:31.48 | hivemind | guys, can u help me? i'm trying to install vcrun2010 on wine, but see this: |
| 07:31.53 | hivemind | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:32.02 | hivemind | it's translation from russian |
| 07:32.03 | terr_ | hivemind: red or white wine? |
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| 07:32.24 | hivemind | terr_, 1.0.1, squeeze |
| 07:32.39 | hivemind | command line output: http://pastebin.com/Rf2FqD6r |
| 07:32.48 | terr_ | hivemind: I was trying to make a joke. |
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| 07:36.14 | siyb | hivemind: why would you wanna do that Oo |
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| 07:37.05 | BeastNZ | Question, does Proftpd on debian support FXPSSL at all? i cnt make it workz :( |
| 07:37.47 | hivemind | siyb, so, i'm want to install TESV: Skyrim on wine |
| 07:38.15 | terr_ | can I do a // port to // port xfer? There is so little support for anything under DOS. The CPU is a 286. Maybe I can get the HDD running in something newer |
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| 07:38.58 | terr_ | BeastNZ: watch out for proftpd. I had a server cracked because of it. |
| 07:39.18 | BeastNZ | im not running on default ports :P |
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| 07:41.06 | terr_ | BeastNZ: I havnb't run proftpd for years. I use ssh |
| 07:41.16 | BeastNZ | :) |
| 07:41.29 | BeastNZ | ssh ftw. |
| 07:41.34 | zilvin | terr_: does that 286 "beast" have network access? |
| 07:41.50 | terr_ | zilvin: if I put the right card in... |
| 07:41.54 | Woet | terr_: watch out for SSH, I had a server cracked because of it. |
| 07:41.57 | zilvin | ISA with BNC :D |
| 07:42.01 | BeastNZ | :0 |
| 07:42.04 | BeastNZ | old :P |
| 07:42.14 | terr_ | zilvin: I have a box of those cards! |
| 07:42.46 | terr_ | zilvin: now I wonder what protocol those cards might use? |
| 07:42.53 | zilvin | tcp |
| 07:42.54 | pif | hi, in sid why does brltty install with each dist-upgrade and uninstalls with each 'apt-get autoremove' ? |
| 07:42.57 | zilvin | ip/tcp |
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| 07:43.02 | terr_ | zilvin: its been over a decade! |
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| 07:43.24 | zilvin | terr_: where are you going to connect that card to? if it's bnc, you need a hub or something:) |
| 07:43.31 | zilvin | go plain oldschool |
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| 07:43.42 | terr_ | zilvin: I think I might have a working BNC hub |
| 07:43.47 | zilvin | geez |
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| 07:43.59 | zilvin | so is your home like a networking museum sort of?:-))) |
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| 07:45.44 | terr_ | zilvin: hah! I have BNC snaking into my office! I found 4 hubs. I doubt any work. |
| 07:46.46 | terr_ | zilvin: probably easier for me to plug in an ISA Adaptec SCSI card and get an exabyte running! Or I have about 100 SCSI discs and one of them should work. |
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| 07:47.12 | zilvin | or simply tell your friend off:)))) |
| 07:47.23 | terr_ | zilvin: I think I'll try the SCSI solution. |
| 07:47.29 | zilvin | yeah, that's a good idea |
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| 07:48.04 | terr_ | zilvin: he's a good chap. I wnat him to help me build a solar fridge so I'll treat him well |
| 07:48.47 | zilvin | huh, good luck with that |
| 07:48.48 | nsadmin | hellert, possible that "root@" is permanently /quieted here... come in as plain user |
| 07:48.51 | zilvin | and let me know how did it go! ;) |
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| 07:49.15 | terr_ | zilvin: you'll see me pop in from time to time. Make sure you ask me. |
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| 07:50.15 | terr_ | zilvin: I have a LOT of old HW here. I hate to toss stuff which actually is workable. Like the external cases for the HDD's. They were worth $170 each... just need to switch them to eSata |
| 07:50.47 | terr_ | zilvin: BTW. The solar fridge will work. No electricity req'd. |
| 07:51.02 | zilvin | terr_: are you going to keep it outside then? :-) |
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| 07:51.33 | ompaul | zilvin: as long as electricity flows downhill he won't have to (cough) oh and this is a tad offtopic |
| 07:51.49 | terr_ | zilvin: THe energy capture will be outside |
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| 07:53.34 | alex- | How can I find out my what my nameservers are? |
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| 07:54.03 | terr_ | alex-: ask in another way I don't understand |
| 07:54.04 | ompaul | alex-: cat /etc/resolv.conf will tell you what you are pointing to right now |
| 07:54.26 | alex- | Can I also fill in a domain there? |
| 07:54.28 | alex- | in my nameservers |
| 07:54.33 | alex- | cat /etc/resolv.conf says my ip |
| 07:54.54 | ompaul | alex-: then you need to tell it something different I guess unless you are running bind |
| 07:55.09 | alex- | I have DNS section |
| 07:55.11 | alex- | in my control panel |
| 07:55.24 | ompaul | alex-: is this a hosted "product"? |
| 07:55.41 | alex- | ompaul: VPS with Debian 6.0 and ISPConfig (the panel) |
| 07:55.44 | alex- | What do you mean? |
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| 07:56.04 | ompaul | alex-: your isp will have that written down somewhere on their help site |
| 07:56.21 | ompaul | alex-: or else you run your own |
| 07:56.33 | ompaul | alex-: given your question, you don't want to run your own. |
| 07:56.38 | alex- | He gave me alex.net |
| 07:56.40 | alex- | and an ip |
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| 07:57.11 | Lovecraft | He's quoting loosely from "Dr. Strangelove, Or How I learned to Relax and Love the Bomb." |
| 07:57.18 | ompaul | alex-: please read the help on the web site - it's not great :) |
| 07:57.33 | zilvin | any of you guys have the Raspberry Pi yet? :-) |
| 07:57.48 | ompaul | Lovecraft: The Professor was never going to be happy in the war room. |
| 07:57.51 | alex- | zilvin: #raspberrypi |
| 07:57.52 | ompaul | goes away |
| 07:58.02 | terr_ | zilvin: loooks like a great machine. |
| 07:58.18 | zilvin | alex-: ? |
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| 07:58.56 | alex- | zilvin: there are more people who have one |
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| 07:59.35 | zilvin | alex-: yeah, but i'm curious if anyone from this channel have it ;) so no need to redirect me anywhere else, cheers |
| 07:59.50 | alex- | ah |
| 08:00.17 | zilvin | but on the other hand, thank you, i'll join it |
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| 08:01.16 | alex- | It's like asking here; "Does anyone haves Ubuntu Server?" |
| 08:01.50 | terr_ | alex I wish I knew what the ubuntu people add to Debian |
| 08:02.02 | alex- | and ubuntu people wish they debian people add ubuntu |
| 08:02.10 | alex- | add to ubuntu * |
| 08:02.54 | terr_ | alex-: I'm builoding a new puter. I have both Ubuntu and debian and wish I knew what the difference is |
| 08:03.19 | alex- | terr_: ubuntu uses newer packages |
| 08:03.22 | alex- | and a tuned kernel |
| 08:03.34 | zilvin | alex-: in what way is their kernel tuned?:))) |
| 08:03.46 | terr_ | alex-: is that an advantage? With the default install I saw a mess. |
| 08:03.54 | alex- | terr_: lol |
| 08:03.58 | alex- | I didn't really used ubunt userver |
| 08:04.02 | alex- | Only had 1 install for testing |
| 08:04.07 | alex- | For the rest I used Debian |
| 08:04.09 | alex- | Dunno why |
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| 08:04.22 | zilvin | you can't go wrong with debian :-) |
| 08:04.24 | Lovecraft | Ubuntu tries too hard to keep me from shooting my eye out. |
| 08:04.29 | terr_ | alex-: they tossed the whole install into one partiation. |
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| 08:04.38 | alex- | terr_: so? |
| 08:05.28 | terr_ | alex... so I am going to blow their install away. I saw a lot fewer packages as well... probably only about 2/3 of what I currently run |
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| 08:05.52 | zilvin | i simply love debian from the mini-install disc :) |
| 08:06.08 | zilvin | lean, quick |
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| 08:08.12 | Eninem | i hate debian |
| 08:08.53 | alex- | Eninem: why? |
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| 08:09.16 | Eninem | dunno stuff just works usually |
| 08:09.47 | Eninem | what happened to pulling all nighters and pulling out your hair because you can't get [x] device to work |
| 08:09.57 | Eninem | i miss that |
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| 08:10.41 | arinov | why kde in stable is 4.4.5? |
| 08:10.48 | Lovecraft | Eninem: How about you coax my Intel HD audio to output to the front panle jack then? |
| 08:10.51 | arinov | 4.4.5 is not last stable version |
| 08:10.58 | Eninem | Lovecraft :D |
| 08:11.03 | Lovecraft | That might keep you busy. |
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| 08:11.46 | CruX| | is it possible to put latest firefox into debian stable ? |
| 08:11.54 | CruX| | without recompilation |
| 08:12.14 | Lovecraft | CruX|: Yes. |
| 08:12.15 | CruX| | firefox not iceweassel or similar sh*t |
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| 08:12.51 | imd | isn't iceweasel just firefox with another name? |
| 08:12.57 | Lovecraft | I installed the ia32 libs and have ff in ~/firefox |
| 08:13.30 | Lovecraft | One could monkey up some sytem wide installation I spose... |
| 08:13.31 | kevlarman | imd: it's a bit old to be useful in stable |
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| 08:14.25 | D4rKr0W | CruX|: http://mozilla.debian.net/ |
| 08:14.27 | zilvin | C |
| 08:14.34 | zilvin | oh, sorry :) |
| 08:14.43 | Lovecraft | Yup .. that thar spellin stuff |
| 08:15.21 | Lovecraft | rm <last comment> |
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| 08:17.11 | valdyn | !mdn |
| 08:17.12 | dpkg | Backports of the Iceweasel web browser and Icedove mail client are not available from <debian backports>. See http://mozilla.debian.net/ for newer Iceweasel and Icedove for squeeze, wheezy and sid. Work continues to get the packages into the official archive without breaking too many other applications using XUL. Also ask me about <transition>, <squeeze-backports>, <testing>. |
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| 08:24.50 | s0enke | hi, how can i supress "service-restart" questions during a unattended full-upgrade? |
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| 08:32.13 | antiisolo | I was just curious, I just got a new laptop, i5 quadcore, 64bit, and was curious, whats the best type of debian for me to dl? |
| 08:32.54 | Jckf | x86 or AMD64 |
| 08:32.59 | Jckf | Depends on your needs |
| 08:33.52 | antiisolo | hmm nothing specific, just wasnt sure what would work best for the specs |
| 08:33.55 | Worf | i'd recommend sarge! |
| 08:34.10 | zilvin | Worf: don't mislead people |
| 08:34.24 | zilvin | antiisolo: get the latest stable 6.0.4 squeeze, I'd go for x64 version |
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| 08:34.51 | antiisolo | and thats the amd54 one? |
| 08:34.55 | antiisolo | 64 |
| 08:35.00 | Jckf | Yes |
| 08:35.25 | antiisolo | ok, thank you.. didnt know if that was specific to amd |
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| 08:36.09 | zilvin | antiisolo: it's not specific to amd, that's just the way they name it, as amd was the first to start building x64 cpu's. intel then came up with their EM64T 64bit support |
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| 08:36.35 | antiisolo | ah ok, thank you |
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| 08:39.13 | Iridos | antiisolo, if there's any 32-bit software you need to run, 32bit system might be better (although a lot of libraries are available now on 64-bit via ia32libs)... if you have more than oh, dunno 16G of RAM or want to run processes that use more than 4G of ram, amd64 is better |
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| 08:42.50 | antiisolo | ah ok thanks iridos |
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| 08:54.06 | HexaByte | Hi guys, any1 else experiencing system freezes when upgrading his DomU to Squeeze? My system works, but if i do cp -ra big_folder, web service almost stops until the copy is complete. With Lenny, cp didn't bring down whole system. Any suggestions other than try to use Lenny kernel? |
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| 08:54.54 | marlonZA | Can't say that I had that issue, no. |
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| 08:57.33 | Iridos | sounds like a broken harddisk |
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| 08:58.16 | Iridos | actually sounds like DMA is switched off... but I don't think that happens since pata disks |
| 08:58.22 | HexaByte | Iridos: other VMs on the same storage run just fine :-) |
| 08:59.11 | Iridos | perhaps because you don't do cp -ra big_folder on them? |
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| 09:00.19 | Iridos | HexaByte, well, easy to check the other... hdparm -d /dev/yourdiskdevice |
| 09:00.45 | Iridos | if that's a simulated disk... who knows what type it simulates |
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| 09:01.03 | Iridos | my real sata disks only give: HDIO_GET_DMA failed: Inappropriate ioctl for device |
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| 09:02.00 | HexaByte | Iridos: it's XEN virtual disk drive xvda ATA commands won't do any good :-) |
| 09:02.14 | Iridos | right |
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| 09:02.44 | Iridos | still these are the only two things I can think of that cause that type of behavior |
| 09:02.50 | Iridos | check dmesg |
| 09:02.55 | HexaByte | i did :-) |
| 09:03.06 | HexaByte | i'll try and boot from xen kernel, not using pvops |
| 09:03.16 | HexaByte | and then using old kernel, from lenny |
| 09:03.28 | HexaByte | but 'cause this is production machine i can't do it right now :-) |
| 09:03.50 | HexaByte | i think it has to be related to scheduler |
| 09:03.59 | HexaByte | but both lenny and aqueeze use CFQ |
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| 09:05.34 | Iridos | just happened to me a lot around 2003 or so... the disks had some minor fault which would create a timeout... and then dma would be switched off... which means the cpu started to move everything byte by byte... did pretty much exactly what you just described... whole system nearly came to a standstill when you copied big files |
| 09:06.19 | Iridos | but hardware changed within the last 10 years... and you don't even use any :P |
| 09:07.14 | HexaByte | CPU is idling in my case :-) |
| 09:07.24 | Jckf | I'd assume the supervisor has to move the data within the virtual disk, even if it's virtual |
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| 09:07.47 | HexaByte | all processes seem to wait until that cp stops working |
| 09:07.53 | HexaByte | like it's hogging all the IO bandwidth |
| 09:07.57 | Iridos | yeah... of course there's real hardware somewhere |
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| 09:08.05 | HexaByte | but CFQ should failry distribute it |
| 09:08.17 | Iridos | you could try to ionice it |
| 09:09.07 | HexaByte | :-) will do, Idle option? |
| 09:09.26 | HexaByte | or maybe 7? |
| 09:09.35 | fasta | Which program can I use to inspect system logs in an efficient way? |
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| 09:09.50 | HexaByte | fasta: your own eyes ? :-) |
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| 09:10.01 | Jckf | fasta: tail? |
| 09:10.18 | HexaByte | fasta: logwatch ;-) |
| 09:10.33 | FDFlock | fasta: Also, grep? |
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| 09:11.04 | FDFlock | I'm usually using "less" with its very handy search function |
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| 09:11.30 | FDFlock | However, I do't have that many logfiles to check... |
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| 09:11.58 | Iridos | yeah "idle", I guess |
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| 09:13.25 | Iridos | HexaByte, does ionice idle make a difference? |
| 09:13.33 | Iridos | and how fast does that copy stuff |
| 09:13.57 | HexaByte | Iridos: i failed to successfully use ionice commad for now :-) |
| 09:14.04 | fasta | HexaByte: I was thinking of something like gnome-system-log |
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| 09:14.16 | HexaByte | ionice: bad prio class 7 :-) |
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| 09:14.20 | fasta | HexaByte: except gnome-system-log is slow and doesn't tell me what it is doing. |
| 09:14.36 | HexaByte | fasta: i use joe, command line text editor |
| 09:14.40 | fasta | HexaByte: currently, I see a completely white rectangle. |
| 09:14.42 | HexaByte | doesn't load files into rime |
| 09:14.48 | HexaByte | into RAM |
| 09:15.15 | kryl99 | #tmux |
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| 09:15.50 | FDFlock | HexaByte: Did you check the host's dmesg? |
| 09:16.02 | FDFlock | HexaByte: also, I don't know what you are using for virtualization, but I was very impressed by the speed of VirtIO storage (kvm) |
| 09:16.09 | HexaByte | FDFlock: i did, nothing there |
| 09:16.19 | FDFlock | (not that it would solve your problem :P) |
| 09:16.34 | HexaByte | FDFlock: i'm using XEN CentoOS 5.* Dom0 with DRBD for network block replication |
| 09:16.44 | HexaByte | so i have live migration and HA |
| 09:16.44 | HexaByte | :-) |
| 09:16.46 | Iridos | HexaByte, how about ionice -c 3 cp something somewhere (read on -c switch) |
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| 09:16.56 | fasta | The annoying thing about gnome-system-log is that it follows whatever new stuff comes in. |
| 09:17.00 | HexaByte | Iridos: i'm doing it, please wait :-) |
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| 09:17.12 | fasta | In a terminal, you can keep focused on some piece of information without scrolling. |
| 09:17.27 | HexaByte | fasta: just use tail -f -n 500 file |
| 09:17.31 | HexaByte | then scroll in terminal |
| 09:17.47 | fasta | HexaByte: but is there really nothing better than that? |
| 09:17.55 | mark76 | What the heck are they doing to the forums!? :| |
| 09:18.06 | fasta | mark76: spamming? |
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| 09:19.21 | mark76 | http://forums.debian.net/ |
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| 09:19.52 | bzed | mark76: use mailing lists instead. |
| 09:20.21 | FDFlock | fasta: what's wrong with "less" ? it lets you read whatever you want, supports searching AND can also work like tail -f |
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| 09:20.50 | fasta | FDFlock: it is not specialized for the task at hand. |
| 09:20.55 | FDFlock | ...with hightlighting |
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| 09:21.27 | fasta | FDFlock: if I give you $ 100K to develop something better suited, can you really not come up with something better? |
| 09:21.34 | mark76 | No one's spamming the forums, fasta. No one can even post on them right now |
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| 09:21.46 | fasta | FDFlock: that's exactly what I am talking about. |
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| 09:22.01 | FDFlock | fasta: true, but what's the tast at hand exactly? I remember the gnome log tool being considerbly worse than "less"! |
| 09:22.08 | FDFlock | *a |
| 09:22.28 | fasta | FDFlock: I just loaded my 300MB log file into Emacs. Works better than less. |
| 09:22.40 | fasta | FDFlock: but still not great. Thanks anyway. |
| 09:23.23 | Iridos | fasta, so if I understand you right you offer $100K to find something better :) |
| 09:23.48 | fasta | Iridos: I said, 'if'. |
| 09:23.49 | FDFlock | fasta: if I give you $ 100K to develop something CONSIDERABLY better than "cat", can you really not come up with something better fo the same task? |
| 09:23.52 | FDFlock | ;) |
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| 09:23.56 | FDFlock | I can't ;) |
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| 09:24.05 | fasta | FDFlock: cat is bloated ;) |
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| 09:24.13 | Iridos | fasta, you haven't defined "better" |
| 09:24.25 | Iridos | dpkg, better |
| 09:24.25 | dpkg | [better] a matter of personal taste; asking "is foo better than bar?" is almost meaningless unless we know what *you* mean by "better". |
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| 09:24.28 | fasta | Iridos: I am still looking for programmers. |
| 09:24.37 | HexaByte | Iridos: i did: ionice -c 2 -n7 -p25287; system still "freezes" :-) |
| 09:24.44 | HexaByte | or comes down to a crawl |
| 09:24.46 | fasta | Iridos: but I cannot use people who ask such questions. |
| 09:24.56 | HexaByte | well web/server and mysql at-least |
| 09:25.04 | HexaByte | ls still works normally :-) |
| 09:25.38 | HexaByte | will try XEN Squeeze kernel later |
| 09:25.49 | HexaByte | have to stop playing with this machine |
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| 09:25.57 | HexaByte | users will get upset :-) |
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| 09:27.16 | Jckf | Which users and groups are required to run Debian? |
| 09:27.32 | Jckf | There are many standard ones, like games and news, but those are safe to remove, yes? |
| 09:27.40 | Iridos | fasta, I congratulate you on your skill with excuses |
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| 09:28.11 | klawd | hi! is there a tool that lets me see current network traffic in real time? |
| 09:28.13 | klawd | like in percent? |
| 09:28.21 | klawd | or pretty charts? (ncurses) |
| 09:28.23 | Jckf | ntop? |
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| 09:28.28 | klawd | sounds good |
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| 09:28.44 | bzed | klawd: iftop |
| 09:28.53 | klawd | sounds good as well, gonna check them, thanks |
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| 09:31.59 | HexaByte | kwork: pktstat FTW ;-) |
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| 09:36.17 | klawd | ok, here's the deal: i'm running ab on a box to check, how much the php script someone else wrote can handle before the whole thing starts to collapse |
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| 09:36.44 | Eninem | what |
| 09:36.58 | HexaByte | klawd: use pktstat |
| 09:37.32 | klawd | i raised the limit to 512 apache forks. the server itself is not at all taxed but it still all takes very long. so now i need to see if its maybe the network interface acting up |
| 09:37.40 | klawd | ok HexaByte, will do |
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| 09:38.03 | klawd | HexaByte: any tips on parameters or settings? |
| 09:38.17 | HexaByte | pktstat -i ethXXX -t -T -n |
| 09:38.51 | klawd | ok, thanks |
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| 09:39.37 | klawd | i don't know what to make of the output |
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| 09:40.33 | HexaByte | klawd: you can read network speed, for whole network interface and on connection basis :-) |
| 09:41.21 | klawd | *man pktstat* :D |
| 09:43.30 | Jckf | It should be okay to remove most of the users listed here http://www.jckf.no/ug/ yes? |
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| 09:44.55 | DatJGuy| | What's a good way to test my mail server? |
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| 09:45.06 | DatJGuy| | That it's sending and receiving propperly? |
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| 09:46.17 | jelly | DatJGuy|: send it some mail: locally, using mailx or mail; remotely, using swaks or gmail or whatever |
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| 09:46.27 | klawd | DatJGuy|: send an email to yourself from an external mail address (like gmx or something) |
| 09:46.30 | HexaByte | DatJGuy: lol, send mail to it from hotmail or gmail :-) |
| 09:46.30 | klawd | and reply to it |
| 09:46.58 | DatJGuy| | Ah. Did that, thought there was a more elaborate way. |
| 09:47.08 | DatJGuy| | Apparently it works. |
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| 09:47.35 | jelly | DatJGuy|: also, inspect the logs of the mail server |
| 09:47.59 | DatJGuy| | $5 a month for a vps, and I'm hosting my own web, db, vpn, and mail server. with more then half the ram to spare. |
| 09:48.07 | DatJGuy| | Took me nearly a week to get it working |
| 09:48.13 | DatJGuy| | Just wanted to make sure |
| 09:48.22 | DatJGuy| | So I don't facedesk myself later down the road |
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| 09:48.39 | jelly | do it ten more times, I'll take an hour or two, tops |
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| 09:50.48 | DatJGuy| | anything special I should do with spamassassin? |
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| 09:58.24 | klawd | cp /foo/* /bar copies everything from foo to bar, except hidden (dotted) files. |
| 09:58.28 | klawd | how wo i copy them as well? |
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| 10:00.42 | rotaticus | cp /foo/.* /bar iirc |
| 10:00.44 | jelly | klawd: simplest thing to do is cp /foo/* /foo/.* /bar |
| 10:00.56 | klawd | hm |
| 10:00.57 | klawd | okay |
| 10:00.59 | klawd | thanks |
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| 10:01.32 | jelly | less simple thing involves reading your shell's manual to make * glob behave differently and match dots as well |
| 10:01.32 | nsadmin | klawd, and not dirs |
| 10:01.33 | Lovecraft | even simpler would be to use cp -a |
| 10:02.01 | joltcan | I would use "cp -a foo bar" |
| 10:02.11 | jelly | joltcan: that would not have the same result |
| 10:02.30 | joltcan | jelly: That would copy the .-files as well |
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| 10:02.55 | jelly | if bar/ exists, it would create a bar/foo and the contents of foo therein, instead of placing the contents in bar/ |
| 10:03.11 | alex- | How come my domain isn't working? |
| 10:03.18 | alex- | I assigned it to my server name |
| 10:03.22 | jelly | alex-: what is your domain? |
| 10:03.28 | alex- | Uh |
| 10:03.30 | pog | hello - I just tryed to install php53 from dotdeb repository, it very strange that I don't know any php53-sources when I do a apt-cache policy php5. |
| 10:03.44 | pog | I trieed it for a lenny |
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| 10:04.13 | alex- | jelly: Wait, I said it wrong. I have an domain which I use as nameserver (or, at least, I'm trying to use it). I bought a domain and pointed the nameservers of the domain to my main domain. |
| 10:04.32 | jelly | alex-: sorry, which domain is it? |
| 10:04.48 | alex- | jelly: my main or my other |
| 10:04.54 | jelly | the one not working |
| 10:05.46 | alex- | jelly: see pm |
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| 10:06.29 | joltcan | jelly: I guess I missread the question then, sorry for the confusion |
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| 10:08.05 | man_in_shack | waves |
| 10:08.13 | alex- | jelly: It's actually a subdomain, but you can set the nameserver and the type (NS delegation) |
| 10:08.20 | Lovecraft | Ashgrove |
| 10:09.03 | alex- | jelly: that domain is the one that's not working (and which I try to add) |
| 10:09.15 | nsadmin | alex-, your best bet is to get someone experienced to run your domains with their name servers |
| 10:09.40 | alex- | nsadmin: did I do something wrong with setting up my nameservers? |
| 10:09.51 | nsadmin | no idea |
| 10:10.08 | nsadmin | is your name server on a static IP? |
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| 10:10.26 | alex- | I don't know |
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| 10:10.34 | alex- | my server is |
| 10:11.00 | nsadmin | your server is not the machine running the name server? |
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| 10:12.05 | pog | I see in a newer decription that the dotdeb-sources for lenny ist deb http://php53.dotdeb.org stable all |
| 10:12.35 | alex- | nsadmin: I don't know. How can I find out if the host is running the nameservers? |
| 10:12.39 | alex- | I got a subdomain to access my server |
| 10:12.42 | pog | the lenny-tree seem's to be empty. |
| 10:12.42 | khem_ | http://code.google.com/p/hardened-zdl-sources/ |
| 10:12.46 | khem_ | anyone got these working on Debian? |
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| 10:13.36 | jelly | alex-: may I paste the relevant data here in the public channel? I don't do help in private for free. |
| 10:14.45 | alex- | jelly: the domain? |
| 10:14.57 | alex- | 1.nl.eu.org |
| 10:15.02 | jelly | right |
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| 10:15.16 | alex- | How can I find out if I have nameservers running? |
| 10:15.18 | jelly | you have a single NS record for it, 1.nl.eu.org. 3594 IN NS alextest.het.net. |
| 10:15.37 | alex- | Yes, I set that up |
| 10:15.48 | jelly | alex-: your server, alextest.het.net. is not answering queries for the domain. Which nameserver do you have running? Which Debian release? |
| 10:15.56 | alex- | Debian Squeeze |
| 10:16.02 | alex- | How can I find out which nameserver? |
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| 10:16.35 | jelly | alex-: which one did you install? |
| 10:16.50 | alex- | I let someone else do it |
| 10:17.19 | nsadmin | curious, what kind of thing are you going to do on the server machine? |
| 10:17.30 | jelly | alex-: use something like "netstat -tupan" so search for processes listening on UDP port :53 |
| 10:17.37 | alex- | nsadmin: webhosting, mail hosting and gameserver hosting |
| 10:17.40 | jelly | and the same tcp port as well |
| 10:17.49 | jelly | to* search |
| 10:17.56 | alex- | udp 0 0 ip:53 0.0.0.0:* |
| 10:18.01 | alex- | ip is my actual ip |
| 10:18.02 | nsadmin | how busy do you expect the machine to be? |
| 10:18.26 | alex- | Don't know. why? |
| 10:18.37 | masterkorp | hello, i am making my first debian packages (following the new maintainers guide) and when ruing dh_builddeb i get "dpkg-deb: failed to open package info file `debian/freeswitch/DEBIAN/control' for reading: No such file or directory |
| 10:18.41 | masterkorp | " |
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| 10:18.56 | alex- | nsadmin: let me check my current host. It sent 3.77 GB traffic this month. |
| 10:19.02 | jelly | alex-: pastebin the output of netstat -tupan | grep :53 | grep LISTEN |
| 10:19.06 | jelly | alex-: do it as root. |
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| 10:19.24 | alex- | jelly: ye i found out :P |
| 10:19.35 | masterkorp | what's the problem ? i dont see any bad permisiions, and if the scpript copies the file, why can it read it later ? |
| 10:19.39 | nsadmin | if it's going to be busy you're going to need nice fat net connectivity for just the dns traffic |
| 10:19.47 | man_in_shack | i'm trying to add a udev rule for /dev/uinput |
| 10:19.48 | alex- | nsadmin: http://pastebin.com/gBgMSQ70 |
| 10:19.56 | man_in_shack | to be symlinked to /dev/input/uinput |
| 10:19.59 | alex- | sorry |
| 10:20.03 | alex- | jelly: http://pastebin.com/gBgMSQ70 |
| 10:20.05 | man_in_shack | and for permissions to be changed |
| 10:20.07 | masterkorp | any idea ? |
| 10:20.09 | alex- | nsadmin: 100/100 is enough |
| 10:20.12 | alex- | ? |
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| 10:20.25 | jelly | alex-: more than enough. |
| 10:20.34 | jelly | if you're talking Mbps |
| 10:20.45 | alex- | at least I hope it's 100/100 |
| 10:20.56 | alex- | My new server will be 1000/1000 probably |
| 10:20.56 | man_in_shack | ooh, i got it |
| 10:21.01 | man_in_shack | yay :) |
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| 10:21.11 | alex- | jelly: I pastebinned the output |
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| 10:21.46 | jelly | alex-: you have the pid 31261 and the name of the process, "named". You can now lsof -p 31261 to figure out where its binary is |
| 10:22.14 | alex- | jelly: root or not |
| 10:22.19 | masterkorp | how can i get an invite to debian-mentors ? |
| 10:22.47 | jelly | alex-: assume root |
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| 10:23.04 | themill | masterkorp: wrong network; irc.oftc.net |
| 10:23.19 | alex- | jelly: http://alextest.het.net/paste/lsof.txt |
| 10:23.44 | jelly | alex-: after you figure out it's in /usr/sbin/named, do "dpkg -S /usr/sbin/named" do find out which package it belongs to |
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| 10:24.15 | jelly | and that's your DNS server |
| 10:24.18 | alex- | bind9 |
| 10:24.31 | masterkorp | themill: so this isn't freenode ? |
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| 10:24.45 | nsadmin | no, THAT isn 't freenode |
| 10:24.59 | themill | masterkorp: irc.freenode.net ≠ irc.oftc.net |
| 10:25.16 | jelly | fancy utf8ing |
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| 10:25.33 | alex- | jelly: Why isn't it working then? |
| 10:25.42 | alex- | jelly: did the person do something wrong with bind9? |
| 10:25.44 | masterkorp | oh you mean that the debian-mentors is at irc.oftc.net, gotcha, thanks |
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| 10:26.17 | jelly | alex-: you need to configure it to be authoritative dns for the new subdomain's zone. |
| 10:26.17 | nsadmin | there ya go! |
| 10:26.35 | alex- | Which record do I have to add? |
| 10:26.49 | jelly | probably have to add the whole zone |
| 10:26.52 | alex- | A, AAAA, ALIAS, CNAME, HINFO, MX, NS, |
| 10:27.54 | alex- | A, AAAA, ALIAS, CNAME, HINFO, MX, NS, PTR, RP, SRV, TXT |
| 10:27.57 | alex- | which one? |
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| 10:29.01 | jelly | alex-: SOA and NS, for a start |
| 10:29.26 | alex- | I added SOA to alextest.het.net |
| 10:29.36 | jelly | alex-: first find out and add the new zone "1.nl.eu.org" if it's not there yet |
| 10:29.40 | alex- | and the NS is my server ip |
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| 10:30.35 | alex- | The strange thing is, if I add DNS, it asks me for my nameservers.. |
| 10:30.54 | nsadmin | not DNS |
| 10:30.55 | nsadmin | NS |
| 10:31.35 | alex- | Type: NS Name: alextest.het.net IP: my ip here Priority: 0 |
| 10:31.36 | nsadmin | ok, so I'm getting too confused... |
| 10:31.49 | nsadmin | brb |
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| 10:33.37 | jelly | alex-: does your Bind config have a zone file for "1.nl.eu.org." zone or not? |
| 10:33.47 | alex- | I don't know |
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| 10:34.09 | jelly | alex-: you'll want to find that out, and add it if it's not there. Check under /etc/bind |
| 10:34.25 | alex- | Host ns1.alextest.het.net does not exist (DNS response: NXDOMAIN) |
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| 10:35.01 | alex- | jelly: got some ip's from /etc/bind/zones.rfc1918 |
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| 10:35.24 | pog | in a comment here (http://www.debiantutorials.com/how-to-install-upgrade-to-php-5-3-on-debian-lenny/) they say anyway to use the rop oldstable for lenny (because auf dependency issuies) but when I try with oldstable I dont see a php5.3 package after apt-get update... |
| 10:36.19 | jelly | alex-: sorry, you seem to be a bit out of your depth and I don't have time or patience to teach dns and bind basics right now. Perhaps someone else will jump in, or try in #dns channel. |
| 10:36.24 | pog | I'm shure a month ago, the php53 sources showed up |
| 10:36.39 | alex- | jelly: I'm using a control panel. Maybe this one is messing up. I'll install another |
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| 10:36.56 | nsadmin | alex-, so this is turning out a little different from what you said before (which is ok, we just need to know)... |
| 10:37.12 | alex- | Ye I thought it didn't make difference |
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| 10:37.34 | alex- | So I didn't mentioned it |
| 10:37.43 | hetOrakel | okay, so i got myself locked out by denyhosts (i can log in at the terminal), where should i remove my ip? simpley editing /etc/hosts.deny dosn't work |
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| 10:38.07 | nsadmin | that's not a big deal... and, now we need to straighten out the real deal |
| 10:38.08 | alex- | jelly: nsadmin: thanks for help |
| 10:38.16 | jelly | it's not really a Debian question then, but a Bind config issue |
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| 10:38.48 | nsadmin | jelly, can soa serials be 12 digits? (date+4) |
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| 10:42.38 | jelly | nsadmin: I have no idea |
| 10:42.52 | nsadmin | I know you can do 10 |
| 10:43.05 | nsadmin | that's probably enuf |
| 10:43.53 | nsadmin | so no answer for soa or ns on 1.nl.eu.org |
| 10:45.30 | nsadmin | is that the domain? |
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| 10:50.07 | alex- | nsadmin: I de-installed my previous control panel |
| 10:50.10 | alex- | Now i'm installing a new one |
| 10:50.12 | alex- | Starting web server: apache2Action 'start' failed. The Apache error log may have more information. |
| 10:50.42 | nsadmin | what domain name is in the apache config? |
| 10:50.53 | alex- | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:51.05 | alex- | last line in there is Unable to open logs |
| 10:52.08 | jelly | Is there a tool tu scrub data from TCP packets in .pcap dumps, leaving just the protocol information? |
| 10:52.44 | nsadmin | alex-, somewhere in the apache config file, is where its name is supposed to be found... what name is that? |
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| 10:53.00 | man_in_shack | don't suppose anyone here has a logitech g510 keyboard? :) |
| 10:53.03 | joltcan | jelly: you can use -s and snaplen |
| 10:53.07 | alex- | apache2.conf ? |
| 10:53.16 | joltcan | jelly: eh, -s (which is snaplen) |
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| 10:53.28 | nsadmin | I guess so... I personally don't use apacfhe |
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| 10:53.49 | jelly | joltcan: ok then, which tool do I use to copy existing .pcap to new one with shortened packets? |
| 10:53.49 | alex- | nsadmin: nginx? |
| 10:54.20 | joltcan | jelly: I would assume you can read the file with tcpdump and save it to a new file |
| 10:54.22 | nsadmin | let's focus on your situation... what domain name did you specify for apache? |
| 10:54.44 | joltcan | jelly: but you have to look at the data with snaplen and see how much you want to include |
| 10:54.52 | alex- | nsadmin: I think i'll reinstall, lol |
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| 10:56.16 | nsadmin | ok, I'll not be available for this. I've been waiting for a long time for information which you never responded to... further help on my part would be paid |
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| 10:56.45 | jelly | joltcan: tcpdump -s 48 -r in.pcap -w out.pcap doesn't do it |
| 10:56.52 | alex- | nsadmin: I never responded because I didn't know that information |
| 10:56.59 | alex- | But I'll reinstall and start over |
| 10:57.10 | alex- | But can't reinstall now because I have to ask ISP for it |
| 10:57.18 | nsadmin | you didn't know the domain name you wanted for your server. |
| 10:57.40 | joltcan | jelly: Sorry, then I have no idea. Maybe tcpreplay could do something for ye |
| 10:58.32 | jelly | np |
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| 11:17.14 | np_complete | hi there, I am trying to install from a USB stick, I did the "dd", but when I try to boot I get the "Invalid or damaged partition" what am I doing wrong? I opened cfdisk and set 'Bootable', but same results. |
| 11:18.35 | np_complete | If I mount that USB I can see that it has the right debian installation files... |
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| 11:20.01 | alex- | When I do pidof screen |
| 11:20.03 | alex- | I get nothing |
| 11:20.05 | alex- | Why? |
| 11:20.47 | ronny | alex-: no screen running? |
| 11:20.56 | alex- | ronny: thanks |
| 11:21.01 | ronny | alex-: oh, wait |
| 11:21.24 | ronny | alex-: seems like pidof doesnt catch detached sessions |
| 11:21.39 | alex- | Nah I want to be sure screen gets killed. |
| 11:21.49 | alex- | Otherwise I keep running arround with all screen shells |
| 11:22.04 | ronny | screen -ls lists them |
| 11:22.32 | alex- | ronny: thanks |
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| 11:23.50 | ronny | alex-: what a re you doing with those screen sessons? |
| 11:24.05 | alex- | Running gameservers |
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| 11:24.37 | ronny | alex-: wouldnt it make sense to have creating/destorying them as part of the service script then |
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| 11:24.50 | alex- | ronny: I used nohup before, but it's easier to be able to connect to the session to do in-game commands |
| 11:25.13 | ronny | hmm, a daemon that needs user input is a bad idea tho |
| 11:25.31 | alex- | doesn't needs |
| 11:25.33 | alex- | But it's nice |
| 11:25.39 | alex- | I can't really get the pid of it |
| 11:25.51 | ronny | so its not a wll-behaved daemon? |
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| 11:26.17 | alex- | wll? |
| 11:26.21 | ronny | well |
| 11:26.23 | hksl | Hi |
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| 11:27.03 | alex- | i don't know |
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| 11:27.04 | hksl | I would like to install Lenny. I can't use either CD or USB installation media. Is it possible to install from a partition in the hard disk? |
| 11:27.07 | alex- | Are there easier ways then? |
| 11:27.09 | alex- | I need to run a gameserver |
| 11:27.14 | alex- | And then someone asks me: shut it down please |
| 11:27.21 | alex- | How am I supposed to know which server it is? |
| 11:28.01 | ronny | thats what named pid files are used for |
| 11:28.05 | hksl | The target computer currently has Windows on it, but it has two (empty) partitions available. |
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| 11:28.27 | streuner | hksl: http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/installmanual |
| 11:28.38 | ronny | hmm, gotta leave, sorry |
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| 11:31.30 | hksl | streuner: I've been reading here: http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch05s01.html.en#boot-initrd but it's not clear to me how I could do it from Windows (in particular, how to say... install Grub). |
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| 11:37.31 | streuner | hksl: http://goodbye-microsoft.com/ - maybe thats easier |
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| 11:38.56 | cromag | streuner: doest that really work ? |
| 11:39.20 | cromag | will it download and install on the side of windows, or replace it ? |
| 11:39.23 | optraz | is there a general article on how to speed up debian collectively? i have a laptop with 4gb ram + i3 cpu, i did not run much application but browser and chatting software, when i browse my gmail, it normally hang for 2-3secs when i interact inside gmail, any idea? |
| 11:39.36 | hksl | streuner: will that be able to delete all partitions during install? |
| 11:39.46 | hksl | I mean, I want to keep only Debian after I'm done. |
| 11:40.01 | np_complete | could my mistake have been that I copied the .iso with "dd" to dev/sdc1, instead of /dev/sdc ? and that's why I can get my system booting off of the USB? |
| 11:40.24 | nsadmin | oh, to sdc1? |
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| 11:40.34 | hksl | Mmmm, dd the iso. |
| 11:41.06 | hksl | Maybe I can boot from a LiveCD, get the iso, dd it to an empty partition and install grub also from the Live environment. |
| 11:41.09 | nsadmin | buzzyword! |
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| 11:41.38 | hksl | D'oh, I'm stupid I can't boot CDs. |
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| 11:42.04 | streuner | !rube goldberg install |
| 11:42.04 | dpkg | "Hi! I want to install Debian with a 2.6.x kernel on a machine, but I can't boot from floppies, and I can't boot from CD-ROM, and I have no network card. I have only a USB dot matrix printer and a punch card reader. Wait, the card reader just fell on the floor and broke." |
| 11:42.05 | nsadmin | np_complete, the image contains a partition table, so you want to write it to the whole drive (be careful here: what is this drive?) |
| 11:42.14 | np_complete | /dev/sdc |
| 11:42.20 | hksl | Anyway, trying the win32-loader thing. Thanks. :) |
| 11:42.28 | nsadmin | and sdc refers to? |
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| 11:42.32 | np_complete | nsadmin, yes, that was my mistake I think, I hope I can make it work now. |
| 11:42.42 | nsadmin | what is sdc? |
| 11:42.46 | np_complete | sdc is an 8 Gb usb stick |
| 11:42.57 | nsadmin | ok, and it's ok to completely erase it? |
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| 11:43.55 | nsadmin | as long as that's true, you're all set |
| 11:44.09 | np_complete | yes, thanks |
| 11:44.27 | ksuhku | streuner, LOL |
| 11:44.43 | np_complete | no need to set the Bootable flag from cfdisk? |
| 11:44.48 | nsadmin | I'll be curious to know if it boots once you write the imate to it |
| 11:44.57 | nsadmin | try not doing so to start with |
| 11:45.26 | np_complete | ok |
| 11:45.38 | np_complete | I got 8 Gb in my system, do I need swap? |
| 11:45.53 | nsadmin | maybe not, at least for install |
| 11:46.16 | nsadmin | you should look into that so that your system does what you want |
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| 11:47.18 | lotutu | Hello everyone, I installed some fonts in my system, but cannot see them in xlsfonts |
| 11:48.12 | lotutu | any idea ? |
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| 11:50.52 | joltcan | np_complete: Swap is used for when applications does not fit into memory (i.e. more than 8GB in your case), so some swap space is good (otherwise the system will halt when it runs out of RAM). I typically use halv the RAM size for swap, since disk space is cheap. |
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| 11:51.30 | joltcan | np_complete: But if you don't want to have any swap space at all you could change that later as well. Swap doesn't need to be a partition (even though thats the fastest), you can run the swap file as a regular file and use that if you wish |
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| 11:53.23 | alex- | UTC 2012 x86_64 GNU/Linux is 32 bit or 64 bit? |
| 11:54.39 | BenNZ | alex-: 64 |
| 11:54.40 | joltcan | alex-: 64bit |
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| 11:54.49 | joltcan | BenNZ: ^5 |
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| 11:55.17 | alex- | ah |
| 11:55.18 | alex- | thx |
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| 11:56.41 | np_complete | nsadmin, it worked |
| 11:57.05 | nsadmin | cool :) |
| 11:57.07 | jelly | alex-: it could be both. Use dpkg --print-architecture to find out for sure whether Debian userspace is 32 or 64bit |
| 11:57.13 | nsadmin | congratulations |
| 11:57.16 | np_complete | nsadmin, thanks. |
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| 11:58.22 | alex- | amd64 |
| 11:59.25 | jelly | alex-: right, that's Debian's name for 64bit x86 arch. |
| 11:59.40 | jelly | 32bti would have resulted in "i386" |
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| 12:00.06 | np_complete | now, can I provide the firmware in the inst process in a USB as a .deb?? |
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| 12:00.57 | alex- | ah |
| 12:01.00 | alex- | thanks |
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| 12:01.51 | nsadmin | firmware to which/. |
| 12:01.53 | nsadmin | ? |
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| 12:03.47 | nsadmin | np_complete, firmware to which? |
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| 12:05.21 | Jolein | hi all |
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| 12:05.32 | Jolein | can anyone help me with a sound problem ? |
| 12:05.45 | nsadmin | if you meta-coder, what was her name? |
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| 12:06.33 | nsadmin | Jolein, /msg dpkg ask /msg dpkg sicco |
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| 12:07.43 | Jolein | i just ask the question there nsadmin ? |
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| 12:09.07 | nsadmin | no specifics (what hardware, what symptoms, what do you want it to do), no information (what exactly is the device identified as) |
| 12:09.31 | Jolein | well it asked me about my os and it stopped >.> |
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| 12:10.08 | nsadmin | no big deal... the more info you supply, the facter and the more people can help |
| 12:10.20 | nsadmin | what asked? |
| 12:10.32 | nsadmin | what is your os? |
| 12:10.35 | Jolein | debian |
| 12:10.40 | nsadmin | version? |
| 12:10.40 | Jolein | else i wouldnt be here xD |
| 12:10.46 | Jolein | squeeze |
| 12:10.50 | Jolein | 6.0.4 |
| 12:11.04 | nsadmin | ok, what asked about your os (aside from me)? |
| 12:11.22 | Jolein | (01:08:30 PM) dpkg: are you using Windows? |
| 12:11.22 | Jolein | (01:08:32 PM) Jolein: no |
| 12:11.22 | Jolein | (01:08:34 PM) dpkg: No Offense, or den norske debian kanalen #debian-no. For skandinaviske brukere av debian. It is the norwegian channel #debian-no for scandinavian users. |
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| 12:11.46 | nsadmin | oh, got it |
| 12:12.09 | nsadmin | ok, what is the problem you're experiencing with your sound? |
| 12:12.20 | nsadmin | or, what do you want that's not happening? |
| 12:12.27 | Jolein | i do have sound from my mic trough my speakers |
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| 12:12.35 | Jolein | so i can hear myself talk |
| 12:12.40 | nsadmin | ok |
| 12:12.46 | Jolein | but i do not get sound from anything else |
| 12:12.48 | Jolein | like totem |
| 12:13.01 | nsadmin | are you using alsa drivers? |
| 12:13.06 | Jolein | yeah |
| 12:13.19 | nsadmin | ok, is anything in alsamixer muted? |
| 12:13.31 | Jolein | no |
| 12:13.34 | Jolein | everything is open |
| 12:13.39 | Jolein | and maxed out |
| 12:13.42 | Jolein | i do get noise |
| 12:13.47 | Jolein | on my speakers |
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| 12:13.59 | Jolein | but just nothing actualy produces sound .... |
| 12:14.13 | klys | *stretch* |
| 12:14.15 | nsadmin | oh ok... normally your mic is muted... for the moment, could you mute it now |
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| 12:14.38 | Jolein | its muted |
| 12:14.40 | man_in_shack | yay |
| 12:14.45 | man_in_shack | hugs debian |
| 12:14.55 | nsadmin | shackian! |
| 12:14.58 | man_in_shack | Suspend To RAM works out of the box:) |
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| 12:15.46 | nsadmin | Jolein, do you use headphones? |
| 12:16.10 | Jolein | i got 3 options to choose from btw "intel ICH , logitec usb headset (but that doesnt work totaly) and HDA ATI HDMI (but that doesnt gives me sound options |
| 12:16.15 | Jolein | yes |
| 12:16.28 | Jolein | but they are just plugged into my soundcard |
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| 12:17.41 | nsadmin | Jolein, see if this works http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&feature=endscreen&v=YEXcTqB5fAQ |
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| 12:18.11 | Jolein | nope nothing |
| 12:18.20 | Jolein | only thing i can hear is my mic if i unmute it |
| 12:18.24 | Aliaric | could somebody paste "apt-get remove --help" |
| 12:18.32 | nsadmin | also, aptitude install pastebinit |
| 12:18.53 | Aliaric | paste output i mean |
| 12:18.57 | nsadmin | Aliaric, will that remove my help?! |
| 12:19.00 | klys | http://pastebin.ca/2126998 |
| 12:19.11 | man_in_shack | i've got 3 places i can plug in headphones now |
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| 12:19.34 | man_in_shack | but any bet the one on my keboard is a usb-audio device and not linked to the normal soundcard in any way |
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| 12:19.47 | Aliaric | nsadmin: no |
| 12:19.49 | klys | man_in_shack: lemme guess, is one of them a tv tuner? |
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| 12:20.07 | man_in_shack | klys: no. front panel and awesome speakers :) |
| 12:20.19 | nsadmin | Jolein, do you see the movie of them playing? |
| 12:20.21 | Aliaric | anybody? |
| 12:20.24 | Jolein | yes i do |
| 12:20.27 | hajime-kato | i have a serious problem with wvdial. |
| 12:20.30 | Jolein | just no sound |
| 12:20.34 | Jolein | not from my system |
| 12:20.36 | hajime-kato | anyone can help me ? |
| 12:20.37 | Jolein | not from totem |
| 12:20.41 | Jolein | not from youtube |
| 12:20.42 | Jolein | nothing |
| 12:20.48 | Jolein | only from my mic |
| 12:20.49 | man_in_shack | hajime-kato: describe your problem |
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| 12:21.02 | hajime-kato | man_in_shack: i can't connect to internet using wvdial. wvdialconf detected my modem, but pppd daemon has died, modem hang up the phone (exit code = 16). how we solve this ? |
| 12:21.06 | nsadmin | Jolein, there's a volume thing on the youtube, near the bottom left... |
| 12:21.15 | Aliaric | could somebody paste "apt-get remove --help"? |
| 12:21.17 | Jolein | its open >.> |
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| 12:21.26 | man_in_shack | Aliaric: why do you need it? |
| 12:21.26 | nsadmin | ok... |
| 12:21.44 | Aliaric | man_in_shack: to check russion stranslation |
| 12:21.56 | Aliaric | i dont have eng debian right now |
| 12:22.02 | man_in_shack | can't you just change your locale temporarily? |
| 12:22.17 | man_in_shack | i mean, if you're doing translations |
| 12:22.24 | nsadmin | Jolein, aptitude install pastebinit (if you didn't do that yet) |
| 12:22.32 | Aliaric | uhh... its so hard to enter a command and paste it? |
| 12:22.42 | man_in_shack | yes :) |
| 12:22.48 | riisen | Aliaric, remove take away the package and purge removes package and configs |
| 12:22.50 | nsadmin | then cat /proc/asound/cards | pastebinit |
| 12:22.58 | Jolein | oh that was for me |
| 12:23.01 | Jolein | ok sec nsadmin |
| 12:23.03 | nsadmin | yes |
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| 12:23.15 | man_in_shack | Aliaric: if you're doing translations, you need to be able to translate FROM something |
| 12:23.17 | Aliaric | riisen: i just need a paste message |
| 12:23.31 | Aliaric | thats all |
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| 12:23.52 | riisen | Aliaric, dont have a debian machine right now.. have a arch and a freebsd :P |
| 12:24.05 | themill | Aliaric: "LANG=C your_command" |
| 12:24.13 | Aliaric | lol |
| 12:24.15 | Aliaric | =] |
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| 12:24.23 | nsadmin | Aliaric, try LANG=C aptitude remove --help |
| 12:24.26 | hajime-kato | wvdial works before that |
| 12:25.21 | themill | Aliaric: you'll find that --help always gives you the same output irrespective of what "remove" or other command you've given. |
| 12:25.27 | Jolein | did that nsadmin |
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| 12:25.42 | nsadmin | did it give you a http://? |
| 12:26.05 | Jolein | nope |
| 12:26.12 | nsadmin | hmm. ok, tryL |
| 12:26.18 | nsadmin | then cat /proc/asound/cards | pastebinit |
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| 12:26.28 | Jolein | well what do you mean with http:// ? |
| 12:26.31 | wynn | I'm using gapcmon. (apcupsd monitor for gnome) and when I release a UPS monitor it comes back next time I launch. Anyone know what's up? |
| 12:26.31 | Aliaric | themill: if you on debian could you just give me a "apt-get remove --help" output? |
| 12:26.33 | Jolein | a linek to a site no |
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| 12:26.48 | nsadmin | you should get one of those |
| 12:26.51 | nsadmin | show that |
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| 12:27.45 | Jolein | http://pastebin.com/ZQU4jjLf nsadmin |
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| 12:28.21 | riisen | Aliaric, http://spunk.neotor.se/output.txt |
| 12:28.28 | nsadmin | ok, you have three devices |
| 12:28.31 | Jolein | yeah |
| 12:28.34 | nsadmin | you can see them with this: |
| 12:28.43 | nsadmin | cat /proc/asound/cards |
| 12:28.43 | Jolein | 1 is my grafics card |
| 12:28.44 | Aliaric | riisen: thanks a lot =] |
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| 12:29.02 | Jolein | 1 is a thingy usb where you can plug in headsets and stuf |
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| 12:29.09 | Jolein | and 1 is my onboard sound card |
| 12:29.22 | nsadmin | which one do you want default? 0,1,2 |
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| 12:29.33 | Jolein | 3 |
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| 12:29.45 | nsadmin | you mean the nforce? |
| 12:29.45 | Jolein | the intel ICH |
| 12:29.48 | Jolein | yeah |
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| 12:30.12 | nsadmin | ok, you need to provide index= for all three drivers |
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| 12:30.28 | nsadmin | right now, the hda-intel is the default |
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| 12:32.38 | nsadmin | I don't know exactly how to get the system to load the drivers in the right order, but either you need different ordering or to supply index= in a way that the system remembers when you boot |
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| 12:33.39 | Jolein | and how do i do that ? O_o |
| 12:33.39 | gulzar | which games are included in squeeze DVD 1? I want to play warzone |
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| 12:33.56 | x0x | Hi. I have question. How to show filename in title in MPlayer? like a mplayer file.avi -title (?). |
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| 12:34.27 | nsadmin | overall, what's happening is the sound is going to the default card which is where you don't want it going.... you could try to plug speakers or headphones into the intel card |
| 12:34.35 | Jolein | and how do you know the 0 is default ? |
| 12:34.47 | riisen | x0x, man mplayer ;P |
| 12:34.53 | Jolein | the intel card is the HDMI |
| 12:35.03 | Jolein | its my grafics card |
| 12:35.04 | quebre | hands up the one who read whole mplayer's manual |
| 12:35.16 | Jolein | but how do you know its default ? |
| 12:35.21 | nsadmin | Jolein, that;s how it works |
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| 12:35.39 | x0x | riisen, I know, I trying to do that, there is ~6000 lines :D |
| 12:35.44 | Jolein | and if i change it in my settings from volume control ? |
| 12:35.52 | Jolein | wouldnt it just pick that |
| 12:35.59 | ksuhku | x0x, search for title |
| 12:36.06 | Jolein | couse then why can i hear myself speak trough my headset ? |
| 12:36.29 | Jolein | so the sound should be goin torugh the right port |
| 12:36.29 | riisen | x0x, search for title ;p |
| 12:37.08 | chogath | hello |
| 12:37.12 | nsadmin | well if you can get index=0 on the one you want default and the other two get index=1 and index=2 and then you would probably reboot or restart alsa... then if you look at /proc/asound/cards you should see it the way you want |
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| 12:37.25 | gulzar | Please help. Which games are included in squeeze DVD 1? Is warzone2100 there? A link will do |
| 12:37.36 | Jolein | ok sec |
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| 12:37.40 | Jolein | lemme try |
| 12:37.47 | chogath | how can i kill all defunct child processes of a specific process with a one liner? |
| 12:37.51 | Jolein | so the 0 is the one that is always used ? |
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| 12:38.05 | nsadmin | get someone to help you with those modules and loading them in the right order |
| 12:38.26 | nsadmin | is the default card when card is not specified |
| 12:38.34 | nsadmin | card0 |
| 12:38.38 | Jolein | but |
| 12:38.54 | Jolein | then why do i have sound from my mic ? |
| 12:39.02 | Jolein | if the wrong one is specified ? |
| 12:39.04 | nsadmin | you have to get into what parameters are fed to the device modules |
| 12:39.25 | Jolein | ease up |
| 12:39.29 | nsadmin | dunno... my guess is they're active but not addressed as card0 |
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| 12:39.49 | Jolein | so i do hear sound ? |
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| 12:39.59 | Jolein | but i cant hear sound from anything else ? |
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| 12:40.21 | nsadmin | Jolein, yes. I don't remember the exact details of that stuff, and so you need to seek out someone who does |
| 12:40.28 | x0x | riisen, I find $mplayer file.avi -use-filename-title ...thx |
| 12:41.07 | Jolein | is there anyone here that is a sound guru ? :( |
| 12:41.08 | nsadmin | (device driver modules, index= parameter, what file to put those in, which driver is for which kind of card) |
| 12:42.10 | Jolein | cant i like just change the file names ? >.> |
| 12:42.12 | Jolein | lol |
| 12:42.27 | nsadmin | well you probably shouldn't do that |
| 12:42.32 | ksuhku | gulzar, looks like warzone is on dvd 3 ( e.g. http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/list-dvd/ ) |
| 12:43.01 | Jolein | couse thats the only thing i see different between them |
| 12:43.43 | nsadmin | ok, do this: lsmod | grep "^snd" | pastebinit |
| 12:44.06 | gulzar | ksuhku: pfffff but I have only DVD1 :( . So how much do I have to dowload extra to install this game.. other than DVD1? |
| 12:44.06 | quebre | or lsmod|grep ^snd |
| 12:44.15 | quebre | so your keyboard live longer. |
| 12:44.27 | quebre | in case you wonder whats the diff |
| 12:44.34 | ksuhku | gulzar, can you not just load warzone using normal package management? |
| 12:44.35 | nsadmin | bad habit for grep tho |
| 12:44.48 | nsadmin | you have to know something about grep to be confident with that |
| 12:45.29 | quebre | if you know at least that grep ^snd is equivalent to grep "^snd" under the case you brought, you know enough |
| 12:45.36 | np_complete | oh no! problems booting! "Waiting for /dev to be fully populated" hangs on!!!!! |
| 12:46.06 | gulzar | ksuhku: yes I can. But how much to download? I have not yet installed debian. I am on Arch. But want to play that game and Debian seems to be only stable one. So wanted to know how much to download extra? :) |
| 12:46.11 | np_complete | eventually screen goes black and comes back. But it stalls "waiting for /dev to be fully populated" |
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| 12:46.39 | quebre | np_complete: civil war at /dev, too many files died inside ;) |
| 12:46.56 | np_complete | ¿? |
| 12:47.26 | quebre | it was a joke |
| 12:47.51 | nsadmin | Jolein, lsmod | grep '^snd' | pastebinit |
| 12:48.18 | gulzar | ksuhku: It is on DVD3. Lets see what happens :) |
| 12:48.27 | gulzar | ksuhku: thank you |
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| 12:48.40 | ksuhku | gulzar, it's something like 60 megs or 75 if you want the music as well |
| 12:49.06 | Jolein | nsadmin ** (gedit:4638): WARNING **: Hit unhandled case 13 (Error writing to file: Invalid argument) in parse_error. |
| 12:49.13 | gulzar | ksuhku: no .. no music .so it will be easy one |
| 12:49.24 | nsadmin | whoa :) |
| 12:49.25 | ksuhku | yea, certainly compared to a DVDVDVD! |
| 12:49.44 | np_complete | I reall yneed help |
| 12:49.46 | quebre | is watching nsadmin in action |
| 12:49.53 | np_complete | I never got this problem before. |
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| 12:49.54 | gulzar | ksuhku: will meet you from Debian :) |
| 12:50.01 | ksuhku | gulzar, welcome! |
| 12:50.04 | np_complete | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:50.07 | nsadmin | gedit? |
| 12:50.10 | Jolein | http://pastebin.com/4FmaU5Ev |
| 12:50.12 | Jolein | yeah |
| 12:50.19 | Jolein | i dont know how to work with vi |
| 12:50.23 | Jolein | should install vim |
| 12:50.27 | nsadmin | np |
| 12:50.37 | nsadmin | you can use nano too |
| 12:50.41 | nsadmin | or kate |
| 12:50.46 | Jolein | i know how to work with vim |
| 12:50.51 | Jolein | installing |
| 12:50.59 | Jolein | but did that help ? |
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| 12:51.39 | quebre | seems you have sound modules loaded |
| 12:52.05 | quebre | no sound? |
| 12:52.06 | Jolein | i got no idea what all that means |
| 12:52.10 | Jolein | nope |
| 12:52.14 | Jolein | only trough mic |
| 12:52.23 | nsadmin | quebre, Jolein probably wants to have a different card be card0 |
| 12:52.26 | np_complete | crap I can't boot my system, where to start to fix this? |
| 12:52.29 | Jolein | i can hear myself trough my mic but got no sound from anything else |
| 12:52.33 | quebre | nsadmin: mhm |
| 12:52.38 | quebre | Jolein: run alsamixer |
| 12:52.50 | Jolein | done |
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| 12:53.05 | quebre | hit F6 |
| 12:53.14 | Jolein | yeah and its set to intel now |
| 12:53.15 | quebre | and tell me what do you see in Sound Card popup menu |
| 12:53.23 | quebre | just the intel ? |
| 12:53.28 | Jolein | oh no |
| 12:53.28 | nsadmin | Jolein, do you have several different sets of inputs on the back? |
| 12:53.32 | Jolein | all 3 listed above |
| 12:53.35 | Jolein | and default |
| 12:53.48 | Jolein | no |
| 12:53.52 | Jolein | only my onboard |
| 12:53.55 | Jolein | nothing else |
| 12:54.12 | quebre | Jolein: lspci|grep -i multi |
| 12:54.13 | Jolein | quebre http://pastebin.com/ZQU4jjLf these 3 |
| 12:54.14 | nsadmin | so, you have an onboard, is that the one you want on default? |
| 12:54.22 | Jolein | yes |
| 12:54.43 | nsadmin | this is built into your motherboard? |
| 12:54.49 | quebre | ;DDD |
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| 12:55.04 | Jolein | $ lspci|grep -i multi |
| 12:55.04 | Jolein | 00:10.2 Multimedia audio controller: nVidia Corporation MCP51 AC97 Audio Controller (rev a2) |
| 12:55.16 | Jolein | yes nsadmin |
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| 12:55.46 | quebre | you have one soundcard, you want to have this soundcard as default but it's already default soundcard since it's the one and only card |
| 12:56.01 | quebre | did you checked that in your alsamixer you have everything unmuted ? |
| 12:56.06 | Jolein | ok all good and well but it doesnt give me sound :p |
| 12:56.06 | nsadmin | but three devices |
| 12:56.15 | Jolein | yes quebre |
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| 12:56.42 | gmarseliss | hey guys, how do i install additional packages via the command-lined during installation. i'm talking about that light-weight apt-get program used during instalaltion. |
| 12:57.16 | nsadmin | gmarseliss, you cannot install packages while other packages are being installed, there is a lock that prevents that |
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| 12:58.07 | themill | gmarseliss: there are pre-seed hooks to install extra packages or make your own tasks to do that (I'm presuming that you're talking about doing this on a large number of machines) |
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| 12:58.40 | Jolein | cant you just do 2 apt-gets in a row ? |
| 12:58.48 | nsadmin | yes you can |
| 12:58.53 | Jolein | then do that |
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| 12:58.59 | nsadmin | but you can't have them run -at the same time- |
| 12:59.01 | Jolein | anyways back to sound |
| 12:59.09 | Jolein | ah no you cant ^^ |
| 12:59.21 | nsadmin | one will refuse |
| 12:59.33 | gmarseliss | nsadmin: i am not saying install my own packages concurrently. but apt-get does not care if d-i runs or not. |
| 12:59.35 | Jolein | euh nsadmin intel is selected |
| 12:59.43 | Jolein | everything is unmuted |
| 12:59.52 | Jolein | still nothing |
| 12:59.53 | gmarseliss | nsadmin: anyway. what's the name of that program |
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| 13:00.00 | Jolein | need to restart alsa ? |
| 13:00.07 | Jolein | or relog ? |
| 13:00.17 | gmarseliss | themill: i know there are pre-seed hooks. i just want to know how to do the same thing manually. |
| 13:00.19 | gmarseliss | that's all. |
| 13:00.23 | quebre | Jolein: aplay -D hw:0,0 test.wav |
| 13:00.25 | nsadmin | themill, can you help Jolein to change which soundcard is his default? |
| 13:00.43 | themill | I hide as far from alsa problems as possible. |
| 13:00.46 | quebre | you need the test.wav or other .wav file ofc |
| 13:00.56 | gmarseliss | Jolein: which sound system? alas? pulse audio? |
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| 13:01.15 | nsadmin | themill, ok, how do you feed parameters to module loads? |
| 13:01.19 | dsdeiz | hi how do i automount other partitions on my hdd? |
| 13:01.44 | Jolein | no such fiile quebre |
| 13:01.46 | nsadmin | dsdeiz, you can try listing them in /etc/fstab |
| 13:01.52 | Jolein | gmarseliss alsa |
| 13:02.34 | alex- | What is better, screen or nohup? |
| 13:02.51 | project2501b | Jolein: google alas change default device. basically, lsusb || lspci to find the hardware id, insert it into /etc/alsa.conf |
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| 13:03.06 | project2501b | alex-: "better" is subjective |
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| 13:03.21 | project2501b | it's like asking what is tastier carbonara or pizza margarita |
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| 13:03.37 | alex- | pizza! |
| 13:03.40 | nsadmin | there are pizza margaritas? |
| 13:03.45 | alex- | But what if pizza takes long to make? |
| 13:03.51 | alex- | nsadmin: apt-get install pizza-margarita |
| 13:03.52 | project2501b | nsadmin: that's what the plain pizza is caleld. |
| 13:03.54 | Jolein | do not follow you project2501 |
| 13:03.58 | quebre | Jolein: get the file from here http://www.halfgaar.net/media/chan-id.zip |
| 13:04.11 | quebre | Jolein: wget http://www.halfgaar.net/media/chan-id.zip ; unzip chan-id.zip |
| 13:04.20 | project2501b | dsdeiz: man fstab, edit fstab. |
| 13:04.30 | quebre | Jolein: aplay -D hw:0,0 chan-id.wav |
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| 13:04.49 | nsadmin | he'll have to unzip it first :P |
| 13:05.01 | nsadmin | as well as find it |
| 13:05.06 | ksuhku | :) |
| 13:05.10 | quebre | nsadmin: 14:04:09 < quebre> Jolein: wget http://www.halfgaar.net/media/chan-id.zip ; unzip chan-id.zip |
| 13:05.13 | project2501b | that's what she said. |
| 13:05.13 | Jolein | where od i put it quebre |
| 13:05.13 | quebre | ;d |
| 13:05.15 | Jolein | ?? |
| 13:05.21 | quebre | Jolein: where you want |
| 13:05.34 | quebre | in your home directory i guess |
| 13:05.34 | project2501b | amazon just put out a new UI! |
| 13:05.38 | Jolein | and whats the hw:0.0 stuff ? |
| 13:05.38 | project2501b | first in 15 years |
| 13:05.38 | np_complete | wtf is this bug!!!!! |
| 13:05.43 | quebre | what's amazon |
| 13:05.45 | quebre | :} |
| 13:05.49 | idimmu | river |
| 13:05.52 | abrotman | project2501b: please stop being offtopic |
| 13:06.12 | np_complete | I can boot my recently installed system, cuz "waiting for /dev to be fully populated" I can't find any solution in google! |
| 13:06.13 | np_complete | help |
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| 13:07.21 | quebre | Jolein: did you died there? |
| 13:07.37 | Jolein | that play -D hw:0,0 chan-id.wav thingy doesnt do |
| 13:07.41 | Jolein | **** |
| 13:07.49 | quebre | not play, aplay |
| 13:07.59 | Jolein | yeah aplay |
| 13:08.04 | nsadmin | do you have it unzipped? |
| 13:08.06 | Jolein | yep |
| 13:08.13 | quebre | then paste output |
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| 13:08.20 | nsadmin | ok, so it plays byt you don't hear? |
| 13:08.25 | Jolein | ur:~$ aplay -D hw:0,0 /home/*******/Downloads/chan-id.wav |
| 13:08.31 | quebre | coz 'thingy dosnt do *****' doesn't tell us much |
| 13:08.38 | Jolein | no it sais aplay: main:654: audio open error: No such file or directory |
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| 13:08.49 | quebre | Jolein: now try with hw:1,0 |
| 13:08.51 | quebre | :) |
| 13:09.04 | alex- | any way to test my internet speed? |
| 13:09.04 | Jolein | ok now i know what the 0.0 is |
| 13:09.32 | quebre | 0 is your HDA-Intel - HDA ATI HDMI |
| 13:09.33 | quebre | :p |
| 13:09.41 | Jolein | Playing WAVE '/home/nyph/Downloads/chan-id.wav' : Signed 16 bit Little Endian, Rate 44100 Hz, Channels 6 |
| 13:09.41 | Jolein | aplay: set_params:1059: Channels count non available |
| 13:09.50 | project2501b | i wish i could configure sound during installation :( |
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| 13:10.03 | project2501b | but then, alsa/pulseaudio blow chunks |
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| 13:10.13 | Jolein | but i dont hear anything |
| 13:10.29 | Jolein | OMGGG |
| 13:10.31 | nsadmin | yeah, I get the impression alsa doesn't do config well |
| 13:10.34 | Jolein | i am deff now >.> |
| 13:10.42 | Jolein | ok its 2 |
| 13:10.44 | nsadmin | why are you deff |
| 13:10.53 | quebre | you're what? |
| 13:10.56 | nsadmin | we found that out awhile ago |
| 13:11.03 | Jolein | couse it went "FRONT LEFT , FRONT RIGHT " |
| 13:11.07 | quebre | you're nyph ;) |
| 13:11.10 | Jolein | and my sound was open all the way |
| 13:11.21 | Jolein | yeah i forgot to **** that out quebre >.> |
| 13:11.39 | np_complete | so is debian wheezy unusable in my new system?!?! |
| 13:11.46 | quebre | and guess what, noone care you're nyph lol |
| 13:11.50 | Jolein | i know |
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| 13:12.05 | abrotman | np_complete: it works for me |
| 13:12.10 | quebre | i'm glad that nsadmin was able to help you |
| 13:12.12 | quebre | well, back to work |
| 13:12.13 | quebre | ;d |
| 13:12.26 | Jolein | but i still got no sound >.> |
| 13:12.31 | nsadmin | so now that we know (again) that we want what's now card2 to be card0 (as we did half hour ago), we need to make that the default when booted |
| 13:12.37 | quebre | facepalm |
| 13:12.54 | Jolein | lol quebre |
| 13:13.31 | nsadmin | one way to do that is to feed the sound device driver modules index= parameters when they're loaded |
| 13:13.34 | np_complete | it just hangs "Waiting for /dev to be fully populated" |
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| 13:13.46 | quebre | Jolein: but seriously, basically what you need is to read this: http://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Asoundrc |
| 13:13.56 | np_complete | and I got no idea how to fix that, or what is causing that. |
| 13:14.47 | nsadmin | quebre, it was also good to see how you found the right card |
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| 13:15.03 | quebre | ^.- |
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| 13:16.03 | np_complete | no one here has had this problem? |
| 13:17.03 | hajime-kato | hello, anyone can help me ? |
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| 13:17.36 | movl | hajime-kato: depends; what's your problem |
| 13:17.40 | movl | ? |
| 13:17.46 | quebre | np_complete: i would suggest to ask on #linux |
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| 13:18.48 | hajime-kato | movl: wvdial can't connect my modem to internet ? wvdial can detect modem, but wvdial always fail with messages pppd daemon has died, modem hang up the phone (exit code = 16)... |
| 13:18.59 | np_complete | I need to be invited to #linux, wtf... |
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| 13:19.05 | quebre | np_complete: ##linux |
| 13:19.10 | quebre | my mistake |
| 13:19.25 | abrotman | np_complete: did you try single user mode? |
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| 13:19.41 | np_complete | no |
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| 13:21.11 | movl | hajime-kato: do you try this as normal user or as root? |
| 13:21.34 | Jolein | am i stupid or cant i find the comand to make a file >.> |
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| 13:21.41 | hajime-kato | movl: i try it with root access |
| 13:21.43 | movl | Jolein: touch |
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| 13:22.05 | quebre | Jolein: :>file |
| 13:22.07 | quebre | best shortcut |
| 13:22.08 | quebre | ;d |
| 13:23.00 | Jolein | in a terminal quebre |
| 13:23.05 | Jolein | need it to be in etc |
| 13:23.12 | Jolein | so .... |
| 13:23.17 | quebre | Jolein: but what file, empty or with content |
| 13:23.22 | Jolein | empty |
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| 13:23.39 | Jolein | just need a new file in etc |
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| 13:23.56 | nsadmin | Jolein, give yourself a chance, you'll get this stuff, it takes time |
| 13:24.09 | Jolein | i tought it was mk |
| 13:24.13 | Jolein | but it isnt |
| 13:24.16 | karlpinc | hajime-kato: The thing to do is look in the logs and see what it says. (it's been a long time since I did modems.) If you don't understand the log output use pastebinit (or whatever) to paste it somewhere so we can see it. |
| 13:24.24 | Jolein | and i looked trough basic comands |
| 13:24.25 | quebre | Jolein: touch /etc/your_file |
| 13:24.27 | Jolein | its not there |
| 13:24.33 | Jolein | toutch ? O_o |
| 13:24.44 | ksuhku | yes |
| 13:24.51 | movl | touch |
| 13:24.54 | quebre | lets skip these :> > tricks :p |
| 13:24.55 | nsadmin | that would give you an empty one |
| 13:25.02 | quebre | he wants empty |
| 13:25.03 | quebre | lol |
| 13:25.11 | karlpinc | Jolein: touch also updates timestamps without altering the file, so "touch". |
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| 13:25.23 | nsadmin | den dats gud! |
| 13:25.33 | quebre | like he care about mysterious timestamps |
| 13:25.34 | Jolein | doesnt debian have comand to make a file ?>.> |
| 13:25.35 | quebre | ;d |
| 13:25.47 | abrotman | Jolein: touch |
| 13:26.06 | Jolein | what does it stand for abrotman ? |
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| 13:26.18 | movl | :(( |
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| 13:26.33 | quebre | he's either really newb or just trolling |
| 13:26.48 | ksuhku | or both |
| 13:26.58 | Jolein | who me ? |
| 13:27.04 | quebre | no, you ;) |
| 13:27.11 | nsadmin | well I don't think neither |
| 13:27.16 | Jolein | what does it stand for ? |
| 13:27.22 | Jolein | maybe ill remember it better then |
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| 13:27.32 | jelly | Jolein: it stands for nothing, it's just a word |
| 13:27.55 | quebre | write it down on some notes so you can get back to it when you forget |
| 13:27.55 | abrotman | Jolein: would you rather get help in french ? |
| 13:27.56 | ksuhku | why do you want an empty file to begin with anyways? |
| 13:27.56 | jelly | you touch a file |
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| 13:28.09 | karlpinc | Jolein: But it's named because it will update the record of when the file was last used, but "lastused" is longer than "touch". |
| 13:28.30 | nsadmin | Jolein, touching a nonexistant file creates it empty... touching a file already exists sets its "last write" timestamp |
| 13:28.39 | Jolein | why in french abrotman ? |
| 13:28.50 | ksuhku | cuz ur belgian |
| 13:29.00 | Jolein | i am flemish |
| 13:29.02 | Jolein | not walish |
| 13:29.09 | Jolein | dutch not french |
| 13:29.09 | ksuhku | lolish |
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| 13:29.14 | quebre | rofl'n'lol |
| 13:29.15 | nsadmin | what language do you likeish? |
| 13:29.16 | jelly | !nl |
| 13:29.17 | dpkg | Voor Nederlandstalige hulp met debian kunt U terecht in #debian-nl. For help with debian in Dutch, you can join #debian-nl. |
| 13:29.44 | Jolein | i dot need help in dutch |
| 13:29.49 | Jolein | is my english that bad ? O_o |
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| 13:30.05 | nsadmin | no, we just want you comfortable |
| 13:30.13 | jelly | Jolein: it's pretty bad |
| 13:30.23 | quebre | SO YOU WANTED, the emtpy file in /etc, right ? |
| 13:30.24 | nsadmin | if you're ok, stick around |
| 13:30.36 | Jolein | quebre yes already got that |
| 13:30.42 | Jolein | now i forgot how i saved in vim lol |
| 13:30.55 | Jolein | :w |
| 13:30.55 | nsadmin | esc ZZ |
| 13:31.09 | Jolein | ok lets relog |
| 13:31.11 | Jolein | see if this workd |
| 13:31.16 | Jolein | worked * |
| 13:31.18 | Jolein | brb |
| 13:31.42 | quebre | that was fun |
| 13:31.44 | quebre | :) |
| 13:32.01 | ksuhku | I have a creeping feeling it didn't end yet |
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| 13:32.18 | quebre | how an emtpy file can help you hehehe |
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| 13:32.52 | Jolein | gues what |
| 13:33.21 | nsadmin | wat? |
| 13:33.39 | Jolein | you guys are AWSOME <3 |
| 13:34.04 | quebre | "but i still have no sound" ? |
| 13:34.11 | ksuhku | hehe |
| 13:34.13 | Jolein | no i do have sound |
| 13:34.19 | Jolein | \œ/ |
| 13:34.23 | quebre | yeah ! |
| 13:34.39 | Jolein | \o/ |
| 13:34.47 | ksuhku | jamz to the muzik |
| 13:34.49 | Jolein | now i atleast knew what the problem was |
| 13:35.02 | abrotman | !enter |
| 13:35.03 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 13:35.21 | Iridos | ... |
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| 13:36.18 | nsadmin | Jolein, so I held back a little to give you a chance to learn a coulpla new things (that I wouldn't know which thing) |
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| 13:37.31 | muzone | So to set up crontab and every 5 minutes make sure that my script is running, this is what I do? 1) crontab -e 2) 5 * * * * /home/muzone/myscript/myscript.rb? |
| 13:37.52 | sephii | muzone: nope, every 5 minutes is */5 |
| 13:38.00 | muzone | cool! |
| 13:38.07 | muzone | so I need to chmod +x myscript.rb too? |
| 13:38.07 | Jolein | yes nsadmin |
| 13:38.12 | Jolein | but thx again |
| 13:38.39 | sephii | muzone: yes, or specify the full path of the ruby interpreter in your cron (which is preferable) |
| 13:38.42 | nsadmin | I noticed you wanted some basic commands |
| 13:38.52 | nsadmin | so you got a couple |
| 13:39.08 | muzone | sephii: nice! |
| 13:39.15 | nsadmin | if you want more really fast... |
| 13:39.26 | nsadmin | do you want more really fast? |
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| 13:40.04 | muzone | sephii: */5 * * * * /home/muzone/.rvm/rubies/ruby-1.9.3-p0/bin/ruby /home/muzone/myscript/myscript.rb? |
| 13:40.25 | sephii | muzone: correct |
| 13:40.32 | muzone | much obliged |
| 13:40.41 | muzone | thanks a lot man |
| 13:40.58 | muzone | is now playing: http://home.no/reddvinylene/4myprogrammerfriends.mp3 |
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| 13:42.04 | ksuhku | muzone, don't tell me that "now playing" was your script? |
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| 13:42.30 | muzone | ksuhku: hehe no |
| 13:42.35 | ksuhku | thank god |
| 13:42.39 | muzone | lol |
| 13:42.48 | muzone | :-) |
| 13:43.01 | movl | they still make those? :P |
| 13:43.12 | muzone | i dunno i just have so much love for all y'all who keep helping me.. besides inviting yall to my beach party in a couple of years time, tiny lil snippets of music is all i can give |
| 13:43.24 | muzone | * these tiny lil |
| 13:43.30 | nsadmin | Jolein, do you want more basic stuff to learn? |
| 13:43.44 | Iridos | ksuhku, no, that one runs all 2minutes :P |
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| 13:43.50 | ksuhku | haha |
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| 13:45.28 | np_complete | at linux they say that my problem: Is typically an initrd/initramfs or a boot parameter mishap, possibly distro specific |
| 13:45.39 | np_complete | and that: debugging initrd issues is also distro specific |
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| 13:45.58 | jelly | !tell np_complete about debug initramfs |
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| 13:46.20 | Iridos | you could have just put that in the channel... I don't know it either |
| 13:46.27 | Jolein | nsadmin yes i do |
| 13:46.33 | jelly | Iridos: do eeet |
| 13:46.39 | Iridos | and it's crappy! just an url |
| 13:46.48 | Jolein | next thing on my list was confuguring ncmpcpp |
| 13:46.56 | Iridos | to the wiki... which is potentially also crappy |
| 13:47.01 | pif | hi, if I "cat bootable.iso > /dev/usbstick" is that enough ? |
| 13:47.08 | dvs | pif: yup |
| 13:47.14 | np_complete | some use "dd" |
| 13:47.17 | jelly | Iridos: you're also potentially crappy! |
| 13:47.22 | klys | is there a way to get spdif to HDMI? |
| 13:47.30 | Iridos | jelly, no, I aint |
| 13:47.31 | nsadmin | ok, Jolein: |
| 13:47.40 | jelly | Iridos: neither is that page |
| 13:47.43 | nsadmin | !fundamentals |
| 13:47.44 | dpkg | You'll get more out of Debian and *nix if you learn some of the fundamentals. Read the "Unix and Internet Fundamentals" HOWTO at http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Unix-and-Internet-Fundamentals-HOWTO/ Then, read the Debian Reference at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ |
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| 13:50.14 | alex- | Any way to do a speedtest with CLI? |
| 13:50.26 | dvs | speed test of what? |
| 13:50.29 | alex- | me internet |
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| 13:50.35 | alex- | like http://speedtest.net |
| 13:50.41 | alex- | but then on CLI |
| 13:50.41 | thomaschaaf | I am trying to programatically get a list of all available wifi networks. Using wpa_supplicant I came across wpa_cli scan_results but am not sure if the best way to get a list of all accesspoints by parsing that list. |
| 13:51.11 | dvs | thomaschaaf: Try "iwlist wlan0 scanning" |
| 13:51.37 | thomaschaaf | so I should parse that then? |
| 13:51.39 | ksuhku | alex-, just use wget to pull the latest ubuntu .iso and see how fast it goes before storing the precious file in /dev/null |
| 13:51.48 | jelly | alex-: wget -O/dev/null http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.4/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-6.0.4-amd64-i386-netinst.iso |
| 13:51.53 | jelly | ksuhku: ubuntu iso!??!?! |
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| 13:52.06 | jelly | blasphemy |
| 13:52.36 | jelly | debian isos are the best to put in /dev/null |
| 13:52.38 | ksuhku | but they're our brown, proprietary software lovin' second cousins... |
| 13:52.43 | alex- | jelly: 2,17 M/s |
| 13:52.55 | alex- | 3 M/s |
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| 13:53.10 | ksuhku | fairly decent |
| 13:53.11 | mosno | ksuhku, it's grey and purple now :) |
| 13:53.12 | alex- | Does this means my server has 24 / 24 megabit connection? |
| 13:53.14 | jelly | no need for a blow-by-blow |
| 13:53.16 | alex- | 4 M/s |
| 13:53.20 | jelly | alex-: stop |
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| 13:53.36 | ksuhku | mosno, let's hope it's because of asphyxiation... |
| 13:53.47 | mosno | ksuhku, hah! |
| 13:54.03 | jelly | alex-: it means the connection between you and cdimage.d.o can do at least that much |
| 13:54.12 | mosno | ksuhku, it's good to run every now and then to learn what you're not missing :D |
| 13:54.28 | alex- | jelly: and way to do a proper speedtest then? |
| 13:54.47 | alex- | anyone has an server with 100/100 connection in europe? |
| 13:55.19 | ksk | alex-: the server/link you tested with serves ~45M/s, it should be a great target for your tests |
| 13:55.22 | mosno | ksuhku, ie. to quell any "dude, why are you doing it all by hand, just run ubuntu" voices ;) |
| 13:55.33 | alex- | ksk: sure? |
| 13:55.39 | Iridos | alex-, did you consider googling for it? |
| 13:55.46 | Iridos | dor duckduckgoin for it |
| 13:56.00 | jelly | alex-: that's what a proper speedtest basically does, it's just a bit smarter about choosing the peer to download a file from |
| 13:56.13 | mosno | Iridos, i really want DDG to rock... but google still gives better results imho |
| 13:56.35 | mosno | everything else about DDG (except perhaps the logo) i love |
| 13:56.58 | jelly | alex-: if you're in .nl, I guess you could find a nl mirror of some linux distro and repeat the test |
| 13:57.00 | Iridos | mosno, actually it does rock... there's always !g !gi !gsc 2-3 keys away |
| 13:57.17 | mosno | Iridos, hmm, i suppose so |
| 13:57.18 | ksuhku | just using ddg will improve it, slightly off topic though |
| 13:57.31 | alex- | Hmm |
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| 13:57.37 | alex- | I'll check a server in the datacenter |
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| 13:57.39 | alex- | Another server |
| 13:57.42 | Iridos | mosno, --> #debian-offtopic |
| 13:57.59 | np_complete | where should I add the "rootdelay=9" for booting? en emacs mode of grub, but in what line? |
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| 13:58.58 | ksuhku | np_complete, the kernel line |
| 13:59.10 | np_complete | ok |
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| 13:59.19 | np_complete | anyway it didn't help :p |
| 13:59.29 | steampunkee | does anyone know how to turn on the save/open dialog in Chromium? right now it just downloads, i can't simply open. |
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| 13:59.43 | np_complete | still hangs on "Waiting for /dev to be fully populated". I got no idea what may be causing that. |
| 14:00.05 | ksuhku | np_complete, so you just installed squeeze and won't boot? |
| 14:00.16 | np_complete | wheezy |
| 14:01.03 | ksuhku | np_complete, got a kernel/initrd pair you know works at hand? |
| 14:01.03 | np_complete | it's a new computer, I fear I'll have to install win7 to see that all hardware is fine. |
| 14:01.19 | np_complete | ksuhku, no, it's a new computer. |
| 14:01.22 | dircht | Im trying to configure pureftpd to be able to use passive mode, ive started pureftpd with -p 40110:40210 and also open those ports in the router/firewall. I can login and enter passive mode but when i try to LIST it disconnects because of timeout. Active mode works. Any idea what can cause this? |
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| 14:02.03 | alex- | jelly: how can I find a server in nl? |
| 14:02.08 | ksuhku | np_complete, no other computer around? |
| 14:02.50 | np_complete | yes, this one. |
| 14:02.57 | np_complete | but now let me try with win7 :p |
| 14:03.03 | np_complete | I have to install it anyway. |
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| 14:03.11 | ksuhku | poor bastard ;) |
| 14:03.20 | np_complete | indeed! exactly... |
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| 14:03.53 | jelly | alex-: dunno, google for "ubuntu nl mirrors" |
| 14:03.55 | jelly | ;-) |
| 14:03.57 | np_complete | <ksuhku>, new i7 2600k, ASUSP8H67-M PRO.... couldn't wait to have Wheezy running, and u see... |
| 14:03.59 | np_complete | VIITU! |
| 14:04.04 | np_complete | see u in a awhile |
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| 14:04.09 | jelly | perkele |
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| 14:04.20 | np_complete | jumalauta. |
| 14:04.44 | alex- | Smooth :D |
| 14:04.53 | alex- | on my desktop I got 12 ms ping |
| 14:05.00 | alex- | on my server i got time=2.03 ms |
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| 14:06.05 | alex- | 10 M/s now. Which means 80 megabit/s |
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| 14:06.58 | Silent | Hey |
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| 14:06.59 | Silent | Is there a way to connect 2 monitors keyboards and mouses to a computer and make it act like 2 independed desktops? |
| 14:07.02 | ksuhku | should be enough for streaming HD porn |
| 14:07.04 | passwd | hi, good morning all |
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| 14:08.37 | passwd | Guys, I need a help. Is it possible to open a ssh session and don't register the actions of an user in .bash_history file? |
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| 14:09.03 | sxpert | hum |
| 14:09.04 | Iridos | Silent, I guess so... try it and see |
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| 14:09.19 | sxpert | that's usually frowned upon |
| 14:09.24 | alex- | passwd: you want to break in? |
| 14:09.25 | Silent | Try what? |
| 14:09.25 | ksuhku | Silent, perhaps http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_Terminal_Server_Project |
| 14:09.26 | muzone | sephii: if my script was running prior to me creating this crontab, the crontab won't run another instance of the script right? it is aware its already running? |
| 14:09.43 | Silent | ksuhku Thank you |
| 14:09.50 | ksuhku | yw |
| 14:10.47 | Silent | Oh that's not what I was looking for |
| 14:10.58 | Silent | I don't have thin clients |
| 14:11.08 | Silent | Just a single PC with 2 montiors computers and mouses |
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| 14:12.33 | passwd | alex-: no, I want to know which commands were used by this user on a remote session on my server? |
| 14:12.44 | ksuhku | Silent, works on fat clients as well as far as I know |
| 14:13.12 | Silent | Is there a way to do it without adding more CPUs? |
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| 14:13.32 | passwd | alex-: I think this user made some sh$t on my server. He's a lan admin but said me one thing and made another, you know? |
| 14:13.41 | alex- | no |
| 14:13.43 | alex- | i don't know |
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| 14:14.51 | ksuhku | Silent, see en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiseat_configuration |
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| 14:15.43 | Silent | Oh that's brilliant :) |
| 14:15.46 | Silent | Thanks |
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| 14:18.06 | thewanderer1 | on Sid, when I double-click on a contact in Empathy (or right-click → Talk or whatever the C-locale equivalent is), I'm supposed to obtain a window under GNOME3, no? |
| 14:18.36 | ksk | sorry guys, what was the 'opposite' of "dpkg -L"? ( tell me which package $file comes from) |
| 14:18.46 | thewanderer1 | ksk, dpkg --search |
| 14:19.01 | ksk | thanks |
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| 14:19.22 | ksuhku | ksk, if you're going to do that often, check out dlocate |
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| 14:20.24 | thewanderer1 | oh, and should acpi-support be not needed in Sid for some reason, or is it just a package conflict that I'm seeing? |
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| 14:21.08 | thewanderer1 | (aptitude why-not doesn't want to tell me) |
| 14:21.41 | abrotman | so install it? |
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| 14:23.10 | nsadmin | no reason why not then? |
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| 14:24.15 | thewanderer1 | ok, I'll try dist-upgrade and then re-installing acpi-support |
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| 14:28.34 | chogath | hello |
| 14:28.42 | chogath | i have a process which creates lots of zombies |
| 14:28.46 | chogath | as childs |
| 14:30.00 | chogath | what can i do about this? |
| 14:30.07 | chogath | i think the app is broken |
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| 14:30.27 | thewanderer1 | chogath, typically, it means a bug in the program itself - the parent has to wait() for the children, otherwise they turn into zombies |
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| 14:30.56 | chogath | the childs are shell scripts |
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| 14:31.23 | thewanderer1 | it simply means that it's the shell binary (bash, sh or whatever) that's being spawned, then |
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| 14:31.34 | thewanderer1 | and it is possible to wait() for them the same way |
| 14:32.27 | chogath | is there any way i can remove those zombies |
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| 14:33.01 | ksuhku | aim for the head |
| 14:33.32 | thewanderer1 | chogath, fix the application - it's the parent process that needs to handle this, there's no other way (besides killing the parent, which you probably don't want) |
| 14:33.57 | chogath | ok, then i have to restart the app with a cron :X |
| 14:34.08 | np_complete | any of you has any idea what can be causing this hang on "Waiting /dev to be fully populated" ?? |
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| 14:35.37 | somiaj | seems like udev scaning your hardware |
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| 14:35.58 | jhutchins_wk | np_complete: How long did you give it? |
| 14:36.12 | np_complete | many seconds... |
| 14:36.14 | np_complete | many, many |
| 14:36.31 | Silent | Is there a free alternative to UserFul MultiSeat? |
| 14:36.32 | np_complete | eventually screen goes black, and then comes back. |
| 14:36.57 | np_complete | I have HD 3000 in my i7, but I also have a NVIDIA in the PCIe, could it be related to that? |
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| 14:37.34 | thewanderer1 | Silent, you mean like running a few graphics cards with independent outputs and one X server per card / per output? |
| 14:38.06 | Silent | thewanderer1 Pretty mcuh, yes |
| 14:38.42 | thewanderer1 | Silent, so yeah, exactly what I described :P |
| 14:39.05 | Silent | Well, is there a free solution? |
| 14:40.28 | thewanderer1 | hmm, get many GPUs, write X.org config files and run, I suppose - never seen any other |
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| 14:41.43 | Silent | Is there a guide on the subject? |
| 14:42.16 | thewanderer1 | I suppose you've seen the Wikipedia page on Multiseat? it has links to X.org wiki and some software projects |
| 14:42.26 | somiaj | np_complete: its probably lagging on some device, more likely your wireless card. Might have to parse the logs and see if you can figure out which device is giving it trouble. |
| 14:42.38 | Silent | thewanderer1 Yes I've been there |
| 14:42.57 | ksuhku | np_complete, have you maybe tried disabling the onboard in BIOS? |
| 14:43.16 | ksuhku | no idea whether that actually is related |
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| 14:43.51 | thewanderer1 | Silent, try MDM or automseat, then :P |
| 14:43.52 | sephii | muzone: no it's not, you'll have to create a lockfile to check that it's not already running (man setlock) |
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| 14:44.26 | Silent | automseat seems promising |
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| 14:45.44 | Silent | Is automseat ok for use for a small business? |
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| 14:46.25 | Whiskey | how can i use grep for text? |
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| 14:46.28 | Whiskey | does it relly need to be a file? |
| 14:46.48 | Iridos | how do you want to use grep for text |
| 14:46.57 | thewanderer1 | Silent, try it and find out :P |
| 14:46.58 | Whiskey | something like this |
| 14:46.59 | ksk | Silent: mhm interesting project. but performance etc pp? and stuff you need in an company like security... dunno :> |
| 14:47.04 | robokop | Whiskey: <program> | grep <bla> |
| 14:47.10 | ksk | Whiskey: grep takes input from stdin |
| 14:47.22 | thewanderer1 | about security, huh, it's a multi-user system :P |
| 14:47.22 | Whiskey | test=1; [[ "$test" = "egrep -o 'd'" ]]; echo $? |
| 14:47.47 | Silent | ksk My job was to find a way to make a PC handle several users |
| 14:47.56 | Whiskey | yeh i did test tat |
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| 14:47.58 | Silent | thewanderer1 Their website says nothing. |
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| 14:49.08 | Whiskey | this relley enoys me |
| 14:49.11 | Whiskey | cuz i can´t get it working |
| 14:49.19 | thewanderer1 | Silent, this is free software, you won't get the "corporate" promise at any point but should try it yourself and see! |
| 14:49.41 | fishsponge | hey people - i'd like to host some kind of server to which anybody can simply upload stuff to... kinda like an anonymous FTP but to which you need a generic password and to which you can ONLY upload - you cannot rename or modify stuff. |
| 14:49.43 | thewanderer1 | the hardest part will probably be getting enough video outputs |
| 14:49.58 | Silent | 2 lol |
| 14:50.02 | fishsponge | is FTP the answer? If so, can I make it so people can only upload (they cannot rename, delete etc...) ? |
| 14:50.04 | Silent | It's already done |
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| 14:51.31 | movl | fishsponge: it may be and yes |
| 14:51.32 | thewanderer1 | fishsponge, FTP is old and kludgy, how about HTTP with a simple upload form? |
| 14:52.12 | fishsponge | that'd be great - i'm talking about people uploading potential 5GB files max though... |
| 14:52.25 | fishsponge | i need a way of easily transferring video files, basically. |
| 14:52.34 | Iridos | fishsponge, yes... you can do that with ftp |
| 14:52.38 | thewanderer1 | there isn't anything wrong with 5GB HTTP uploads I think |
| 14:52.51 | thewanderer1 | but yes, FTP should do the job |
| 14:53.06 | fishsponge | thewanderer1, can you resume an HTTP upload when it's 5 hours in and then fails? presumably you can with FTP... |
| 14:53.22 | ksuhku | !ftp |
| 14:53.23 | dpkg | File Transfer Protocol (FTP) is a method of moving files between systems using TCP/IP. There are three sane kinds of FTP: anonymous, encrypted and unprivileged (non-Unix users). Unencrypted FTP using Unix users will get your box pwn3d as fast as running windows on your firewall machine. Ask me about <ftp must die>, <scp>, <sftp>. See also <ftpd>. |
| 14:53.31 | Silent | Well well |
| 14:53.33 | fishsponge | also, is "making it upload only without renaming & deleting" a feature of FTP or is it a directory permissions thing? |
| 14:53.33 | Iridos | fishsponge, I had that for a long time - a directory where people could download stuff, but not upload anything and one where everyone could upload, but not download nor see what's in it |
| 14:53.35 | Silent | Thanks for everything |
| 14:53.43 | Silent | I have to go now, have a brilliant day :) |
| 14:54.04 | fishsponge | Iridos, that'd be perfect - you can upload, but cannot see what's in it!! you didn't document it somewhere did you?? |
| 14:54.09 | thewanderer1 | fishsponge, it's a feature of FTP servers - permissions can't do anything like that, unfortunately |
| 14:54.13 | Iridos | I had that in case I was at some weird machine and suddenly had a file I wanted to transfer to my machine |
| 14:54.30 | fishsponge | Iridos, i couldn't have a copy of your FTP config file, could I?? ...if it has this wonderful feature in it... |
| 14:54.32 | Iridos | fishsponge, simply remove the "r" flag from the directory, I think |
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| 14:55.21 | thewanderer1 | they can still see file contents' if they know the name, then |
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| 14:55.31 | fishsponge | Iridos, OK... i've never setup an FTP server before... is this basically a process of "apt-get install ftp", followed by adding the single user I want to be able to use it and then chmodd'ing the directories? If so, i'll be done in 30 seconds or so... |
| 14:55.34 | fishsponge | or is it more than that? |
| 14:55.58 | Iridos | I can't remember... I must have set that up early 2007 and it's dead now |
| 14:56.04 | Iridos | but... it wasn't hard |
| 14:56.04 | fishsponge | ah... |
| 14:56.13 | np_complete | <ksuhku>, disable the onboard what? I don't have any WIFI. |
| 14:56.19 | fishsponge | depends how you define "hard" though... i do know linux, but never setup FTP before... |
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| 14:56.44 | ksuhku | you'll probably need to fondle your router as well fishsponge |
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| 14:57.23 | fishsponge | well, yes - forwarding port 21... and what about 22? And I will need my server in passive mode, right? |
| 14:57.29 | ksuhku | np_complete, I understood you have 2 video cards, one built in |
| 14:58.19 | Iridos | thewanderer1, yes... that's true - and I'm not sure I set it up that way. What I wanted to prevent was to run an open warez ftp server... perhaps I did something in config |
| 14:58.35 | Iridos | fishsponge, I guess I can look it up if I can find the power supply to my external HD |
| 14:59.08 | thewanderer1 | fishsponge, clients is who sets the passive mode. you need a smart router which can actually understand FTP and track associated connections - in practice, Linux can do that, some cheap consumer hardware often does not... |
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| 15:01.13 | np_complete | <ksuhku> yes, but some people say it should not be a problem |
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| 15:01.40 | np_complete | I am not sure if I can disable form BIOS, didn't see any option for that, nor any indication in the manual. |
| 15:01.59 | ksuhku | might be a wild goose chase anyways |
| 15:02.25 | np_complete | lol |
| 15:02.56 | fishsponge | ok, in that case FTP isn't going to happen... |
| 15:03.54 | thewanderer1 | there isn't anything wrong with FTP in your use case besides the wild connection policy |
| 15:04.06 | Iridos | thewanderer1, fishsponge oh... I set chown_uploads=YES and chown_username=<someuser> |
| 15:04.06 | thewanderer1 | SFTP, on the other hand, uses only one port, so sounds more suitable |
| 15:04.32 | thewanderer1 | no idea about upload resuming |
| 15:04.34 | Iridos | om vsftpd ... so people would upload, then the file would change ownership and they wouldn't be able to download again |
| 15:04.58 | Iridos | also set the upload directory -r so they couldn't even see uploads |
| 15:05.49 | thewanderer1 | oh btw. are you sure that FTP supports resume anyway? |
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| 15:06.37 | Trewas | thewanderer1: yes it does, not all servers/clients might do though |
| 15:06.46 | Iridos | thewanderer1, ftp is 21, ftp-data is 20? |
| 15:07.03 | fishsponge | thanks for the advice, people! FTP might be out of the question though due to my stupid firewall/router which cannot be replaced... will be back in a few mins... |
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| 15:07.37 | Iridos | fishsponge, haven't tried that... but I thought forwarding 20 and 21 should be enough? |
| 15:07.49 | thewanderer1 | Iridos, yes, 20, 21 plus random ports I think? |
| 15:07.58 | Trewas | fishsponge: if you can do simple port forwarding then passive mode can be made to work |
| 15:08.12 | Iridos | thewanderer1, what would the random port do? |
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| 15:08.26 | Iridos | 20 is ftp commands 21 is ftp-data |
| 15:08.31 | Iridos | what more? |
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| 15:08.48 | thewanderer1 | Iridos, normally the server opens connections to the client, no? so in PASV mode, it should be the opposite, but still using random ports? (or not?) |
| 15:08.50 | Iridos | yeah... I haven't used ftp more than a couple of times a year either :) |
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| 15:09.24 | Trewas | Iridos: the server needs some bunch of "random" ports forwarded for incoming passive mode connections |
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| 15:10.12 | Trewas | they don't have to be really random, server can use for example ports 10000-10009 which is not too bad for port forwarding |
| 15:10.57 | thewanderer1 | I mean this: http://www.ncftp.com/ncftpd/doc/misc/ftp_and_firewalls.html#PASVFirewallProblems |
| 15:10.57 | Iridos | oh well |
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| 15:11.06 | Iridos | nobody ever said it's a very nice protocol |
| 15:11.07 | thewanderer1 | note the "ephemeral ports" |
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| 15:12.40 | Trewas | thewanderer1: at least proftpd can choose a small subset of all ports to be used as ephemeral ports and then you could just port forward all of those, as in my previous comment |
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| 15:13.54 | Iridos | thewanderer1, sounds infernal :) |
| 15:14.24 | rypervenche | How can I reinstall the original config files for a package? |
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| 15:16.05 | ksk | !tell rypervenche about confmiss |
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| 15:16.11 | Iridos | rypervenche, purge the package and reinstall is one way |
| 15:16.23 | rypervenche | ksk: Thanks, that what I was looking for. |
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| 15:17.36 | np_complete | hey how to fix this? Error: /dev/sdc: unrecognised disk label |
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| 15:17.52 | np_complete | I am trying winusb to install win7 from a usb. |
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| 15:19.43 | nsadmin | isn't that your 8g stick |
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| 15:19.50 | np_complete | yes |
| 15:20.08 | nsadmin | well you dded an image to it :) |
| 15:20.13 | rypervenche | Hmmm, is it possible to purge and reinstall all in the same command? I would like to reinstall the proper config files for a package, but it has dependency issues if it's removed from my system. |
| 15:20.18 | nsadmin | dunno what you did since then tho |
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| 15:20.21 | thewanderer1 | "unrecognised disk label" sounds like it's not MBR nor GPT, which is not a critical condition at all |
| 15:20.22 | np_complete | nsadmin, so? |
| 15:20.50 | np_complete | nsadmin, I want to use "winusb" to convert it in a win7 install usb. |
| 15:21.00 | nsadmin | I guess you would need to write something else to it, or format it and copy files to it or something |
| 15:21.04 | np_complete | but I guet the: Error: /dev/sdc: unrecognised disk label |
| 15:21.14 | np_complete | how can I set the label of that? |
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| 15:21.53 | nsadmin | I guess it needs a new partition table |
| 15:22.38 | nsadmin | one way, you can write a zeroed sector (512b) to its sector 0 and then use fdisk to partition it |
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| 15:23.52 | np_complete | nsadmin, ok I used gparted.... |
| 15:24.10 | np_complete | u see, I have to test my new hardware with win7!!!! |
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| 15:24.43 | np_complete | so disappointed today, I wanted to install wheezy, and so I did, but won't boot up, and I got no idea where to start to try to solve this. |
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| 15:25.23 | LemensTS | I have exim on debian 6, and when I netstat -a it does not show anything on port 25 |
| 15:25.40 | mortsa_ | Hello, can someone help me with kde on debian squeeze |
| 15:25.45 | nsadmin | wait did you start with a wheezy netinstall? |
| 15:25.48 | mortsa_ | This how it looks like: http://i43.tinypic.com/5wwf89.png |
| 15:25.51 | ksk | LemensTS: dpkg-reconfigure exim-base |
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| 15:26.00 | ksk | s/exim/exim4 |
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| 15:26.32 | jhutchins_wk | np_complete: Did the installer complete successfully? |
| 15:26.44 | ksk | LemensTS: mhm, nvm. this should not help you |
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| 15:27.37 | np_complete | <jhutchins_wk>, yes |
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| 15:27.50 | LemensTS | ksk: I ran the dpkg configuration on it already and that did not fix it |
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| 15:28.05 | nsadmin | as far as I know wheezy has been experiencing some turbulence for about 3 weeks |
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| 15:32.04 | x0x | If I want to change steble->testing version, what should I change? Only repositories? |
| 15:32.23 | jhutchins_wk | np_complete: Then you have a working system, you just need to set it up correctly. |
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| 15:33.03 | jhutchins_wk | np_complete: Which installer did you use? |
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| 15:34.33 | SpComb | x0x: apt source.list, and then dist-upgrade |
| 15:34.36 | np_complete | <jhutchins_wk> the wheezy CD1 installer. |
| 15:34.38 | SpComb | x0x: and no going back |
| 15:35.29 | jhutchins_wk | np_complete: The testing installer is meant to test the installer, so it may not have gotten everything installed correctly. Do you get a console session? |
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| 15:35.46 | x0x | SpComb, and nothing else ? my all drives will be working? enviroment etc |
| 15:35.50 | np_complete | <jhutchins_wk>, no |
| 15:35.52 | SpComb | x0x: maybe |
| 15:35.57 | jhutchins_wk | np_complete: Some things to try: boot to rescue mode, disable apci, disable apic. |
| 15:35.58 | np_complete | <jhutchins_wk> I can't even get a console. |
| 15:36.08 | jhutchins_wk | np_complete: Disable kms |
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| 15:36.22 | np_complete | <jhutchins_wk>, how to disable that? have u got those line splease? |
| 15:36.46 | x0x | SpComb, huh, then not good... but thx for info anyway |
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| 15:38.19 | jhutchins_wk | np_complete: for kms add nomodeset to the kernel boot line in grub. |
| 15:38.41 | ksuhku | x0x, you aware of backports? sounds like that could be what you're actually looking for |
| 15:39.01 | np_complete | jhutchins_wk: ok, and for the rest? |
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| 15:39.17 | jhutchins_wk | np_complete: Checking... |
| 15:39.39 | jhutchins_wk | acpi=off |
| 15:39.50 | np_complete | great |
| 15:40.10 | x0x | ksuhku, I just want to have current verion of programs |
| 15:40.22 | np_complete | wish me luck |
| 15:40.36 | jhutchins_wk | np_complete: npapic also try nolapic |
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| 15:42.04 | ksuhku | !tell x0x about backports |
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| 15:42.41 | x0x | ksuhku, I read now about this... |
| 15:43.01 | jhutchins_wk | np_complete: The fact that the installer booted completely and ran indicates that you should be able to recover the system. |
| 15:43.09 | np_complete | <jhutchins_wk> It booted up! |
| 15:43.44 | np_complete | jhutchins_wk: It displayed some "failed" trying to something :p and then says that gnome3 can not be fully working. |
| 15:43.44 | ksuhku | np_complete, cat /proc/cmdline |
| 15:44.15 | np_complete | now, I want to be able to boot up without having to do this damn trick everytime. and, can I have ACPI or not? |
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| 15:45.26 | np_complete | well I can't copy paste here, but pretty much I did all what <jhutchins_wk> suggested |
| 15:45.28 | np_complete | so I got |
| 15:45.52 | np_complete | acpi=off nopapic nolapic nomodeset |
| 15:46.19 | ksuhku | np_complete, you might want to experiment with different parameters http://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/x86/x86_64/boot-options.txt |
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| 15:46.32 | np_complete | oletko suomalainen? |
| 15:46.41 | ksuhku | juu :) |
| 15:47.05 | ksuhku | add the params you actually need to grub kernel line |
| 15:47.17 | ksuhku | and update-grub |
| 15:47.32 | np_complete | ok |
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| 15:47.41 | kesroesweyth | I keep receiving "too many authentication errors" for SSH/sFTP users on my server, even though nothing in the logs suggests that anyone has tried to authentication unsuccessfully for any users recently. |
| 15:47.49 | kesroesweyth | I created a new user just now and got the same error. |
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| 15:48.31 | kesroesweyth | I can use the PubkeyAuthentication=no option and get in with SSH. How can I prevent this from happening all the time? |
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| 15:49.19 | ksk | kesroesweyth: ask the logging/blocking software you installed |
| 15:49.26 | ksk | this is not the default sshd behaviour |
| 15:49.45 | kesroesweyth | ksk > Only using PAM, afaik. |
| 15:49.53 | ksk | nothing like fail2ban? |
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| 15:50.02 | kesroesweyth | ksk > nope. Faillog? |
| 15:50.17 | kesroesweyth | faillog -a shows no fails for any user. |
| 15:50.29 | np_complete | <jhutchins_wk> saved my day :) |
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| 15:55.02 | ksuhku | !next |
| 15:55.02 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
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| 15:58.00 | sturles | Is there a simple ./configure; make; make install wrapper which will make a simple debian package as well? |
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| 16:01.22 | karlpinc | sturles: You may want the <stow> and <stow usage> factoids. |
| 16:01.33 | ksuhku | sturles, you might be interested in checkinstall |
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| 16:04.18 | karlpinc | I wanted to start playing around with acls, so installed the acl package. But every time I try to set an acl I get "setfacl: bar: Operation not supported". I'm working on an ext3 fs, and mount says only (rw,noatime) for options. I thought the default was to allow acls, so what am I doing wrong? (It may be an _old_ ext3 fs....) |
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| 16:04.40 | karlpinc | ("bar" being the file name.) |
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| 16:07.15 | karlpinc | Strange, remounting "acl" now it works. I'm going to have to re-read "man mount" and perhaps file a bug. |
| 16:07.34 | petemc | wheres the bug? |
| 16:07.40 | kesroesweyth | I'm getting "too many authentication failures" even for new users using SSH/sFTP. Can anyone help me with my sshd config? |
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| 16:07.52 | kesroesweyth | I'm using PAM, but faillog -a and pam_tally show no auth errors for anyone. |
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| 16:08.42 | kesroesweyth | Even get the error with UsePAM=no |
| 16:09.00 | karlpinc | kesroesweyth: Did you limit authentication attempts? |
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| 16:09.28 | karlpinc | petemc: I thought that "man mount" said that acls were on by default. |
| 16:09.34 | kesroesweyth | karlpinc > I did originally when setting up PAM, but now I can't seem to find where or how. That's why I disabled PAM but I still get the error. Where should I look? |
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| 16:10.35 | karlpinc | kesroesweyth: In sshd_config. The deal is that ssh tries various auth options, key, password, etc., and each counts as a try. So if you limit the auth tries it will never get to, say, password auth. You can see what happens with ssh -v, often. |
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| 16:11.12 | karlpinc | kesroesweyth: You can use ssh -o to tell it to use just the one auth option you want, and it'll probably work. |
| 16:11.18 | Guest73066 | how do I execute a command as user foo? (the script is being executed as root) |
| 16:11.38 | kesroesweyth | karlpinc > I only have remote access to the server. Is there a way I can restart it with the -v option? And yes, I keep having to use the PubkeyAuthentication=no option to get in. |
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| 16:12.02 | Rienzilla | Guest73066: man su |
| 16:12.09 | Rienzilla | su -c command user |
| 16:12.19 | Guest73066 | Rienzilla: thanks |
| 16:12.20 | karlpinc | kesroesweyth: -v is on the client side. |
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| 16:12.34 | kesroesweyth | karlpinc > oh! okay, one sec. |
| 16:12.58 | kesroesweyth | karlpinc > lots of output, what am I looking for here? |
| 16:13.24 | karlpinc | petemc: I guess "man mount" just does not say what's the default. AFICT. Perhaps an enhancement request. |
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| 16:14.11 | karlpinc | kesroesweyth: It's pretty plain from what you said already, but it'll try this auth option and that auth option and then exceed the limit before getting to password auth. |
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| 16:14.31 | kesroesweyth | karlpinc > It looks like it's offering the same pubkey over and over until it spits out too many auth attempts |
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| 16:15.05 | karlpinc | kesroesweyth: Are they really different, or is one rsa and one dsa, or something? |
| 16:15.20 | kesroesweyth | karlpinc > exactly the same |
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| 16:16.26 | iluminator101 | whats the short key to hyperlink text in evolution? |
| 16:16.39 | karlpinc | kesroesweyth: Dunno. But it does not _seem_ like a client-side problem. (If you really care you could pastebin the output for us to look at.) You probably want "MaxAuthTries" in sshd_config. |
| 16:18.19 | kesroesweyth | karlpinc > can I pm you a pastebin of the output? |
| 16:18.21 | karlpinc | kesroesweyth: Just make sure you've backups of the config, and are logged in (twice for good measure) as root before restarting sshd so you can put things back and still get in. |
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| 16:18.36 | karlpinc | !tell kesroesweyth about paste |
| 16:19.07 | karlpinc | kesroesweyth: Tell the channel. (I'm probably out of here soon anyway, but the channel is here to help and to learn.) |
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| 16:25.37 | sturles | karlpinc and ksuhku: Thank you both. I'll check them out. |
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| 16:37.42 | HJE841 | how do I probe for ethernet device in squeezy? it failed to locate it during boot |
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| 16:40.00 | somiaj | HJE841: what do you mean? is it a pci or usb device, 'lspci' and 'lsusb' will help figure out the device and the chipset |
| 16:40.00 | faryus | lspci? |
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| 16:40.30 | somiaj | HJE841: as for how do you get the device to load, if squeeze supports it by default it should load. Some devices need a kernel from squeeze-backports to work, oters will require non-free firmware |
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| 16:40.42 | engammalsko | Is this the right way to ask if I wanna find a certain debian program? I want something like Skype (I think Skype on Linux sucks) but still be able to talk to other people that uses Skype. Just the way Pidgin can chat with MSN/G-Talk etc. So is there a program out there that's something like that? |
| 16:40.54 | engammalsko | Is this the right channel* |
| 16:41.11 | themill | !skype |
| 16:41.11 | dpkg | Skype is a proprietary cross-platform <VoIP> program which Debian cannot distribute due to its restrictive license. Packages are available from http://www.skype.com/download/skype/linux/ or use the sources.list line "deb http://download.skype.com/linux/repos/debian/ stable non-free". Not supported in #debian, consider using <ekiga>, <linphone> or <pidgin> instead. http://wiki.debian.org/skype |
| 16:41.28 | themill | engammalsko: ^^ if you want to talk to people with skype, you unfortunately have to use skype not some other program. |
| 16:41.43 | engammalsko | themill: That sucks :( |
| 16:41.46 | HJE841 | somiaj, ifconfig only lists the loopback device. I just switched motherboard on a 4 disc software RAID5 configuration from a board with 2 eth devices to one with only 1 |
| 16:41.52 | somiaj | engammalsko: it isn't the wrong channel if you want something that is actually in debian (skype itself isn't apart of debian). There are some opensource video software out there. |
| 16:41.55 | faryus | when are the forums expected to be back? |
| 16:41.56 | somiaj | HJE841: 'ifconfig -a' |
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| 16:42.28 | themill | engammalsko: please add yourself to the list of people who have told skype that ... not that they've listened to any of us over the years :( |
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| 16:42.56 | HJE841 | somiaj, thanks. it lists a eth2 device but with no IP. |
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| 16:43.53 | HJE841 | ifconfig eth2 down and up helped :) |
| 16:43.55 | somiaj | HJE841: so now it is a matter of confguring the device, I prefer /etc/network/interfaces (man 5 interfaces) myself, but you can use a network-manager or other ways to do that |
| 16:44.27 | somiaj | yes using ifconfig or ip to do it manually is also reasonable |
| 16:45.12 | HJE841 | somiaj, thanks. :) that interfaces file was just what I was looking for :D |
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| 16:47.04 | engammalsko | themill: I looked on some update blog from Skype to see if they updatet it since the last time I used it (like 14 months ago) and I saw that there was a lot of other people being dissatisfied about the progress of Skype :( So now I actually need to get up from my bed to answer a call from my windows machine and than go back to bed and continue programming on my linux machine while taking. Life sucks... |
| 16:47.15 | engammalsko | Sorry I know that was very ot. |
| 16:47.43 | engammalsko | talking* |
| 16:48.12 | themill | engammalsko: skype for linux works as well as it ever has done and works just fine for talking to people running other legacy operating systems. |
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| 16:48.53 | thewanderer1 | engammalsko, Skype has actually sued the people working on reverse-engineering their protocol (DMCA I think) and there's been no progress ever since - don't count on any free software interfacing to it anytime soon. |
| 16:49.20 | thewanderer1 | and yes, Skype does work on Debian, and is as unstable as ever :P |
| 16:49.22 | jhutchins_wk | themill: Why the "legacy" distinction there? |
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| 16:50.39 | np_complete | I could boot, but my system could only detect one CPU, I got 8 logical CPUs (i7) |
| 16:50.46 | np_complete | and all them are enablen in BIOS. |
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| 16:52.21 | somiaj | np_complete: do you use a custom kernel? |
| 16:52.39 | np_complete | no |
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| 16:53.11 | np_complete | emergency I have fucked up sda!!! |
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| 16:53.25 | np_complete | doing dd if=debian-testing-amd64-CD-1.iso of=/dev/sda bs=4M; sync |
| 16:54.03 | thewanderer1 | restore from backup |
| 16:54.44 | somiaj | yea not going to easily recover from that, also I woudln't suggest using the testing installer, better to use the stable installer to install testing. |
| 16:54.57 | np_complete | I was like, what, how can it be so fast? |
| 16:55.12 | np_complete | then I checked and OH MY GOD! it's been on sda!! |
| 16:55.49 | nkuttler | the power of root |
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| 16:56.46 | jelly | np_complete: now, if your first partition was swap, you have not lost any data |
| 16:57.02 | np_complete | how can I install wheezy using the stable installer? |
| 16:57.56 | np_complete | I think it was the "data" parttion actually :p |
| 16:58.17 | jelly | np_complete: the easiest way is supposed to be: install stable, base system only, switch sources.list to wheezy, upgrade, THEN install other stuff |
| 16:58.28 | jelly | !tell np_complete about squeeze->whezzy |
| 16:58.31 | jelly | !tell np_complete about squeeze->wheezy |
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| 16:59.42 | np_complete | ok, so I guess that what I need is an stable netinst image then |
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| 17:03.35 | roe | Anyone have any advice on how to get linux (lm-sensors) to recognize the pwm chipset for my intel server motherboard? |
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| 17:04.14 | movl | roe: check to see if the drivers are enabled in the kernel first |
| 17:04.18 | cardamon | [A |
| 17:04.18 | cardamon | > |
| 17:04.18 | cardamon | . |
| 17:04.43 | somiaj | roe: if you are using a debian stock kernel run 'sensors-detect' as root and it should figure out what sensors you have and load the corresponding modules |
| 17:04.47 | jhutchins_wk | roe: Have you run the sensors-detect script? |
| 17:04.50 | roe | yes |
| 17:04.58 | roe | and it iddn't find it |
| 17:05.01 | somiaj | roe: if that doens't work try google to see what modules you needed for that mobo? |
| 17:05.01 | cardamon | Sorry. |
| 17:05.39 | jhutchins_wk | cardamon: Cat? |
| 17:05.41 | cardamon | For some reason whenever my tunnel connection gets severed, like when I walk out of range of the AP, some junk data sneaks through. |
| 17:05.58 | cardamon | It showes up here usually prefaced with [ |
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| 17:07.12 | thewanderer1 | roe, it's kernel-dependent, so if you really need the PWM support, you should consider upgrading to a more recent one |
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| 17:08.38 | roe | it's a 6-7 year-old motherboard |
| 17:08.46 | roe | and I'm running 3.1 |
| 17:08.59 | roe | I don't know that a newer kernel will help me |
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| 17:10.25 | roe | the board is: Intel Server Board S5000PSL |
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| 17:12.09 | thewanderer1 | well, maybe the PWMs are not software controllable? |
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| 17:15.20 | LordShiva | Anyone can help with new fglrx drivers |
| 17:15.24 | np_complete | sry I had a breakdown |
| 17:15.26 | LordShiva | I got stuck |
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| 17:16.02 | np_complete | well, I was saying that my new system only detects one CPU, although I got 8 logical cpus (intel i7) all enabled in bios. |
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| 17:16.45 | spacepluk | hi, is anyboady having issues with gdm3 on testing? |
| 17:17.02 | somiaj | spacepluk: the bts is the place to see what issues people are having |
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| 17:17.28 | somiaj | np_complete: grep CONFIG_NR_CPUS /boot/config-`uname -r` |
| 17:17.43 | spacepluk | I know, but I didn't find a solution there |
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| 17:18.05 | somiaj | spacepluk: well if you know that is the place to look for known issues, maybe you should ask your real question |
| 17:18.18 | somiaj | spacepluk: though testing is better supported on #debian-next on irc.oftc.net |
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| 17:18.33 | somiaj | spacepluk: also welcome to testing, learn how to debug things, read bugreports and then report bugs for any ones you find. |
| 17:18.45 | spacepluk | I'm having something similar to this but everything is up to date: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=614019 |
| 17:19.13 | LordShiva | Why dkms with fglrx dont work ? |
| 17:19.25 | spacepluk | somiaj: ok, I'll go there, thanks |
| 17:19.31 | somiaj | LordShiva: do you have the linux-headers of your kernel installed? |
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| 17:21.32 | lasers` | Urm. Silly question. |
| 17:21.37 | lasers` | How do I resize desktop icons? |
| 17:21.51 | LordShiva | yeap and installation of fglrx past good |
| 17:21.53 | lasers` | I can't remember how. (Gnome 2.30) |
| 17:22.02 | LordShiva | but it want load new 12.2 drivers |
| 17:22.11 | LordShiva | aint want to load |
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| 17:22.56 | LordShiva | Also I tried faling back on 11 drivers and again X dont load them |
| 17:23.34 | lasers` | Okay. Sorry. I have been away from Gnome for some time. Got it. In Nautilus. |
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| 17:26.13 | somiaj | LordShiva: where did you get these new 12.2 drivers from? What version of debian are you running? |
| 17:26.19 | somiaj | ,versions fglrx-drivers |
| 17:26.20 | judd | No package named 'fglrx-drivers' was found in i386. |
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| 17:26.51 | LordShiva | wheezy / sid |
| 17:26.59 | LordShiva | from debian repos |
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| 17:29.27 | LordShiva | version 1:12-2-2 |
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| 17:30.34 | somiaj | ,versions fglrx-driver |
| 17:30.35 | judd | Package: fglrx-driver on i386 -- lenny/non-free: 1:8-12-4; lenny-backports/non-free: 1:10-4-1~bpo50+1; squeeze/non-free: 1:10-9-3; sid/non-free: 1:12-2-2; wheezy/non-free: 1:12-2-2 |
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| 17:30.52 | somiaj | LordShiva: what are you using, are you using wheezy or are you using sid (pick one and don't mix) |
| 17:31.09 | somiaj | LordShiva: also what sort of errors do you get? Since you are not running an offical release, have you checked the BTS for your issue |
| 17:31.53 | LordShiva | Wheezy but some packages are upgraded on sid and that are only some desktop apps nothing of drivers |
| 17:31.56 | somiaj | LordShiva: and I really hope you are running wheezy or sid and not running squeeze but trying to install fglrx from either of the repos. |
| 17:32.16 | LordShiva | wheezy |
| 17:32.19 | somiaj | mixing is always bad bad juju cause of depends |
| 17:32.30 | LordShiva | I know that |
| 17:32.50 | LordShiva | I'm basically installing only things from wheezy |
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| 17:33.17 | LordShiva | Sometime some desktop package like browser programming IDE I install sid version |
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| 17:33.48 | LordShiva | here is pastebin |
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| 17:34.10 | LordShiva | http://pastebin.com/G3m5m6HQ |
| 17:34.18 | somiaj | LordShiva: and then you start to pull in base depends from wheezy, and from there on out you have mixed things so it makes filing bugreports pointless for the devolopers. Stick to either wheezy or sid (don't mix) and then use the bug system to fix things. (: |
| 17:34.20 | LordShiva | Xorg.log |
| 17:34.43 | LordShiva | ok |
| 17:35.14 | somiaj | seems the kernel faild to build, try to track down why |
| 17:35.24 | nyingen | how do I run some scripts automatically when I log in to gdm3? .xinitrc? |
| 17:35.26 | somiaj | well kernel module |
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| 17:35.35 | somiaj | nyingen: are you using gnome? |
| 17:35.39 | nyingen | no |
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| 17:36.22 | somiaj | nyingen: $HOME/.xsession is the default file (like .xinitrc) on debian for the 'default' session from gdm |
| 17:36.40 | LordShiva | with m-a I tried |
| 17:36.49 | somiaj | nyingen: but if you are choosing the session 'whatever_wm/de_you_like' you will have to configure that wm/de to run start up application |
| 17:36.55 | somiaj | LordShiva: why not just install the dkms package? |
| 17:37.13 | nyingen | somiaj: by default session, do you mean the system default, or the per-user default? |
| 17:37.13 | somiaj | nyingen: this will depend on the wm/de you use |
| 17:37.25 | LordShiva | I installeddkms package |
| 17:37.31 | LordShiva | and it want load it |
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| 17:37.49 | LordShiva | [ 590.290] (EE) fglrx(0): atiddxDriScreenInit failed, GPS not been initialized. |
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| 17:37.57 | somiaj | nyingen: the per-user default, you should have a list of sessions you can choose from, one of them is called 'default' |
| 17:38.04 | LordShiva | [ 590.290] (WW) fglrx(0): *********************************************************** |
| 17:38.05 | LordShiva | [ 590.290] (WW) fglrx(0): * DRI initialization failed * |
| 17:38.05 | LordShiva | [ 590.290] (WW) fglrx(0): * kernel module (fglrx.ko) may be missing or incompatible * |
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| 17:38.16 | nyingen | somiaj: I see what you mean |
| 17:38.23 | superlinux-hp | how can i apply on the fly the changes i did in /sys ? |
| 17:38.26 | nyingen | it's probably easier if I just use the WM |
| 17:38.43 | nyingen | though I wonder whether it would be even more straightforward just to remove gdm, and use 'startx' like in the old days |
| 17:38.43 | somiaj | nyingen: that would be the prefered method, most wms have a way to run startup applications/scripts |
| 17:38.48 | superlinux-hp | i mean how can see it running? |
| 17:38.57 | superlinux-hp | i don't want to reboot |
| 17:38.57 | feanor | hi, when installing, if I configure "/" in my SSD, and "/home" in a 7500 RPM disk, will /usr go to the SDD? |
| 17:39.06 | somiaj | nyingen: or just choose 'default' and write an .xsession just like an .xinitrc (have ti run any scripts you need including lauching your WM) |
| 17:39.12 | feanor | I want all but /home in the SDD, how to do that |
| 17:39.16 | nyingen | somiaj: gotcha |
| 17:39.23 | somiaj | feanor: correct |
| 17:39.36 | somiaj | feanor: only things like /home/foo/bar will be on the /home partition or your other hd |
| 17:39.56 | somiaj | feanor: so unless you make a link (linking /usr to /home is probabaly not a good idea and no way default) you are fine. |
| 17:39.56 | feanor | somiaj: and all the rest goes to "/"? |
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| 17:40.17 | somiaj | feanor: note you may have things like /tmp, /dev, /sys, /proc that are memeory file systems, but yes that is how mounting works |
| 17:40.33 | feanor | somiaj, do U think that 32 GB is enough for "/" then? |
| 17:40.48 | feanor | I use my computer for developing mostly. |
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| 17:41.15 | LordShiva | Package: fglrx-modules-dkms |
| 17:41.16 | LordShiva | Status: install ok installed |
| 17:41.16 | LordShiva | Priority: extra |
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| 17:41.38 | somiaj | LordShiva: dpkg-reconfigure fglrx-modules-dkms (Get it to regenerate the modules) |
| 17:42.06 | LordShiva | thx stupid me I forgot to try to reconfigure |
| 17:42.31 | somiaj | feanor: I think that iw more than enough. I consider a debian desktop to only need 5gigs or so, I suggest people use 10gigs, so 32gigs should be more than enough for most things (this is only the os though I'm not considering userdata) |
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| 17:42.56 | somiaj | feanor: and if you keep all your userdata in /home you'll have plenty of space |
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| 17:44.45 | somiaj | feanor: I'm using about 10gigs right now, and 3gigs of that are a single program I have installed in /usr/local that isn't part of debian |
| 17:44.45 | LordShiva | btw I'm using 3.1.0-1-amd64 kern |
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| 17:45.07 | LordShiva | and it worked for me few months on it ... |
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| 17:45.14 | DusteD | I need 12v 10 amp, I have 4 identical 230ac->12v dc 3 amp supplies, could I connect their outputs and achieve a supply able to deliver 12 v dc at 12 amp ? |
| 17:45.24 | LordShiva | And I tried update from 11 to 12.2 and failed |
| 17:45.32 | DusteD | sorry, wrong channel |
| 17:45.42 | somiaj | LordShiva: so what was the error/issue what failed? |
| 17:46.05 | LordShiva | I'll tried to reload X now |
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| 17:46.22 | LordShiva | This was fine earlier too build was ok |
| 17:46.34 | LordShiva | I'll send you a pastebin of dkms process |
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| 17:47.49 | LordShiva | http://pastebin.com/852hdn30 |
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| 17:48.49 | LordShiva | I think it was pass fine with building modules |
| 17:49.00 | LordShiva | can you check it |
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| 17:51.10 | LordShiva | I cant get it to enable 3d hardware accelerated render |
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| 17:51.21 | somiaj | LordShiva: lsmod -- make sure the module loaded |
| 17:51.39 | LordShiva | lsmod |grep fglrx |
| 17:51.39 | somiaj | you may need to modprobe -r fglrx and then reload it since you built the new module |
| 17:51.46 | LordShiva | nothing empty 0 |
| 17:51.51 | somiaj | if the module isn't loading, check dmesg for why it isn't loading |
| 17:52.01 | LordShiva | ok |
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| 17:56.52 | gulzar | just now installed squeeze - XFCE. How to download packages from internet? apt-get is taking only DVD. and sources from software-sources are not getting ticked. I want to use both DVD and net. |
| 17:57.38 | somiaj | gulzar: modify /etc/apt/sources.list and remove the dvd srouces and replace them with internet sources |
| 17:57.45 | somiaj | !tell gulzar about squeeze sources.list |
| 17:58.01 | ninjers | http://debgen.simplylinux.ch/ will come in handy |
| 17:58.09 | somiaj | run apt-get update after you modify things |
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| 17:58.13 | gulzar | somiaj: Ok .. |
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| 17:58.22 | gulzar | somiaj: Thank you |
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| 17:59.13 | LordShiva | thx somiaj |
| 17:59.13 | LordShiva | I reloaded and it works |
| 17:59.13 | LordShiva | fglrx are loaded |
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| 18:01.08 | gulzar | somiaj: what is this deb-src sources? |
| 18:01.26 | gulzar | LordShiva: which state? me from MH |
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| 18:02.34 | somiaj | gulzar: deb-src is for source packages (if you want to compile your own packages over get the precompiled ones from debian) |
| 18:03.00 | somiaj | gulzar: or if you want to download the source code and play with it. |
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| 18:03.56 | gulzar | somiaj: Ok.. see pm |
| 18:03.57 | LordShiva | just if you mess up source code install bin .deb package gulzar |
| 18:04.18 | gulzar | LordShiva: Ok |
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| 18:04.24 | somiaj | gulzar: please don't pm me, you should just ask your questions/say comments in the channel (considered to rude to pm someone without asking first) |
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| 18:04.40 | gulzar | somiaj: sorry |
| 18:04.55 | gulzar | somiaj: I will upload it to pastebin |
| 18:04.57 | somiaj | gulzar: put errors like that on a pastebin (Such as paste.debian.net) |
| 18:05.18 | somiaj | I haven't ran across those errors, they seem uncommon, might want to put a copy of your sources.list on the pastebin as well |
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| 18:05.33 | gulzar | somiaj: Ok.. on the way |
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| 18:07.16 | Whiskey | are it anyway to disable text input in terminal? |
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| 18:07.29 | lasers` | I have a question. I installed google-chrome and it is stored at /opt/ -- However, how is it possible that I can trigger google-chrome in ALT+F2 (Gnome)? I asked because I installed Sublime Text 2 in /opt and I'm not getting the same result. What do I have to do? |
| 18:07.59 | gulzar | somiaj: here is the error http://pastebin.com/LgDK9RjV and source http://pastebin.com/FM82pqmD |
| 18:08.45 | somiaj | gulzar: comment out line 5 and 13 |
| 18:09.02 | somiaj | gulzar: also I belive it is ftp.us.debian.org (over http.us.debian.org) |
| 18:09.26 | patrik83 | lasers`: run echo "$PATH" and you will see most probably the reason. |
| 18:09.42 | somiaj | I get a different ip for ftp.us.debian.org over http.us.debian.org, I'm unsure if the second works, I never used it |
| 18:10.19 | gulzar | somiaj: lets check |
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| 18:10.29 | lasers` | patrik83: Ah I see. Google made a symbolic link to /usr/bin/google-chrome |
| 18:10.41 | gulzar | somiaj: update started.. :) |
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| 18:12.53 | gulzar | somiaj: Thank You |
| 18:12.53 | gulzar | somiaj: you are right .. http is not working . |
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| 18:13.26 | somiaj | gulzar: line 13 was also completely clobbered. just get rid of it. line 5 I had you get rid of as you don't need your cdrom sources anymore |
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| 18:13.59 | webdebianuser | Hello, i'm try to set up local repository from 8 dvd squeeze discs, is there some sollution? |
| 18:14.16 | gulzar | installed Debian just to play warzome2100 :P |
| 18:14.26 | patrik83 | lasers`: well, I should rather say to check the result of ls "$(which google-chrome)" . You can still use chromium and you do not need to care about updates and stuff like that. I dont loose anything by using chromium over chrome. |
| 18:14.29 | LordShiva | somiaj any idea how to make xxms2 work on my installation |
| 18:14.43 | nyingen | so what's the deal with acpi_fakekey? |
| 18:14.48 | somiaj | LordShiva: haven't messed with xmms2....read the docs is what I would do |
| 18:14.52 | gulzar | somiaj: ok.. understood |
| 18:15.46 | lasers` | patrik83: Google-chrome is bad. I get your meanings. My problem was that I wanted to know why the binaries i placed in /opt/ does not works with ALT+F2 (ie, I can't call it from ALT+F2 or whatever). I created a symbolic link in /usr/local/bin pointing to /opt. Thank you for the help. :) |
| 18:15.48 | patrik83 | lasers`: altough I am sure that during the installation your repositories were edited to keep your browser updated the same as they do with google video chat |
| 18:15.56 | nyingen | some of the scripts in /etc/acpi do nothing except invoke acpi_fakekey to generate some keycode. Then what happens? |
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| 18:16.04 | nyingen | I'm trying to figure out how the vol up/down keys are mapped |
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| 18:16.09 | patrik83 | lasers`: oh, I see now. |
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| 18:16.43 | patrik83 | lasers`: It doesnt need to be any worse than chromium I think. |
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| 18:16.59 | lasers` | patrik83: chromium is terribly outdated in debian6 though. |
| 18:17.03 | gulzar | why such a big repository download for refresh? Arch has only ~3.5 MB |
| 18:18.02 | somiaj | gulzar: debian has thousands of packages, but when you update you download a lot of info on the packages including versions, depends, descriptions, and so forth. |
| 18:18.04 | patrik83 | lasers`: i am not saying anything , you may be right. I do not know. ;) |
| 18:18.08 | LordShiva | install chromium from wheezy it is 17 |
| 18:18.26 | LordShiva | that is official version of chrome |
| 18:18.35 | LordShiva | and chromium |
| 18:18.35 | lasers` | patrik83: you may be right too. I don't know too. ;) |
| 18:18.43 | somiaj | gulzar: note this is the first time you have added the internet sources, future updates only download the differences (not the whole thing again) |
| 18:18.54 | LordShiva | there is beta 18 but it is beta |
| 18:19.02 | gulzar | somiaj: I think debian download normal info but Arch download compressed so that's why such a difference .. may be |
| 18:19.12 | gulzar | somiaj: Ok.. so next update will be small :) |
| 18:19.23 | somiaj | gulzar: debian downloads compressed files too. |
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| 18:19.52 | LordShiva | I use Iceweasel from testing |
| 18:19.55 | gulzar | somiaj: then because of first update ..as such I only want warzone2100 |
| 18:20.01 | LordShiva | gulzar there are much more packages in debian then in arch |
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| 18:20.34 | gulzar | LordShiva: aaaaa Nooooo |
| 18:20.42 | gulzar | LordShiva: see the AUR |
| 18:20.44 | LordShiva | apt-get install warzone2100 |
| 18:20.57 | LordShiva | AUR |
| 18:20.58 | LordShiva | ? |
| 18:21.09 | gulzar | LordShiva: yup.. but first have to refresh so need about 15min .. using GPRS |
| 18:21.28 | lasers` | LordShiva: Noted. I'll try that on the next installation. |
| 18:21.32 | LordShiva | yeah GPRS is slow |
| 18:21.36 | gulzar | LordShiva: its arch source .. leave it |
| 18:21.51 | gulzar | LordShiva: it is the only thing affordable .. |
| 18:22.03 | gulzar | LordShiva: from which state r u? |
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| 18:22.26 | LordShiva | Outside USA |
| 18:22.39 | gulzar | LordShiva: right .. seems to be Indian |
| 18:23.06 | LordShiva | nope Serbian |
| 18:23.17 | gulzar | LordShiva: then why name of Lord Shiva? |
| 18:23.21 | LordShiva | That love India |
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| 18:23.39 | LordShiva | offtopic |
| 18:23.44 | gulzar | LordShiva: Ok.. |
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| 18:25.58 | feanor | oh come on! |
| 18:26.14 | feanor | I did the dis-upgrade! and bang! non-working system :) |
| 18:26.33 | feanor | commented out all squeeze volatile |
| 18:27.10 | LordShiva | feanor, whats not working |
| 18:27.19 | feanor | then replaced all "squeeze" with "wheezy", apt-get updated and the apt-get dist-upgrade.... |
| 18:27.37 | feanor | gnome not starting, and well I got one error and the end of the dist-upgrade. |
| 18:27.59 | teratoma | i never get desktop stuff to work all the way on testing/unstable |
| 18:28.07 | feanor | maybe I should not have commeted those squeeze lines at the end? |
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| 18:28.18 | feanor | something like volatile/squeeze, I commented out. |
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| 18:28.31 | thewanderer1 | is there a way to make GNOME3 display a taskbar like KDE4 or GNOME2 does? |
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| 18:28.50 | LordShiva | no dont do that |
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| 18:28.55 | gulzar | thewanderer1: no.. you have to use AWN or cairodock for this |
| 18:28.55 | LordShiva | add wheezy |
| 18:28.59 | LordShiva | and leave squeeze |
| 18:29.06 | LordShiva | and squeeze updates |
| 18:29.11 | feanor | now when I boot up screen gets black when trying to start gnome, and system HANGS |
| 18:29.22 | thewanderer1 | uh, not good. how am I supposed to receive window activity notifications now? |
| 18:29.34 | feanor | ok, I'll try to fix it now |
| 18:29.44 | gulzar | thewanderer1: gnome-shell fallback mode is 90% like gnome3 with two panels |
| 18:29.54 | feanor | how to avoid start gnome when booting up? |
| 18:30.23 | thewanderer1 | yeah but it seems strange that GNOME3 wouldn't implement the window manager standard, no? (i.e. activity notifications) |
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| 18:30.39 | gulzar | thewanderer1: notifications are there.. just hover your mouse to botom tight corner and you will see all the nitofication icons and other notifications just pop-up |
| 18:30.57 | gulzar | thewanderer1: *right corner |
| 18:31.07 | thewanderer1 | yeah, but I want them all the time - I'm coding and can't just keep moving my mouse around O.o |
| 18:31.47 | gulzar | thewanderer1: go to fallback mode .. |
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| 18:32.38 | thewanderer1 | yeah, and when fallback mode disappears? KDE? :P |
| 18:33.10 | gulzar | thewanderer1: it will not.. go to system-settings--> about --> and force fallback . Logout and login |
| 18:33.20 | thewanderer1 | hmm ok |
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| 18:33.47 | ChibaPet | I've never once run KDE without having applications crash out on me, which is disappointing given that I've wanted to use it several times. It's based on Qt, for Heaven's sake. |
| 18:33.49 | gulzar | thewanderer1: personally XFCE and LXDE are better than fallback |
| 18:33.57 | thewanderer1 | ok, where are system settings? |
| 18:34.04 | ChibaPet | I've been using XFCE lately. Reasonable. |
| 18:34.16 | gulzar | thewanderer1: click your user name on top |
| 18:34.33 | thewanderer1 | I'd go with KDE but it doesn't integrate with PolicyKit and all subsystems like udisks, n-m and so on insist on using that |
| 18:34.36 | gulzar | ChibaPet: KDE is unneccessarly heavy |
| 18:35.18 | gulzar | ChibaPet: but with 4.8 they are claiming to be fast and stable |
| 18:35.39 | ChibaPet | Is that what's in Wheezy? I might devote a system to it. |
| 18:35.41 | gulzar | thewanderer1: got it? |
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| 18:35.58 | Whiskey | anyway to keep user input from messing up a screen temporarily? |
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| 18:36.09 | thewanderer1 | yeah, now I'll find what Polish translators figured "about" would look nice as |
| 18:36.30 | gulzar | thewanderer1: Ok.. enjoy |
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| 18:37.12 | thewanderer1 | any pointers? what does the icon look like? I swear I can't find any "about" item |
| 18:37.14 | gulzar | ChibaPet: can't say.. what they are upto. hope they take 4.8 :) |
| 18:37.49 | gulzar | thewanderer1: scroll down .. it should be info or about |
| 18:38.03 | thewanderer1 | system info? like GNOME version and so? |
| 18:38.17 | gulzar | thewanderer1: right .. |
| 18:38.29 | ChibaPet | Hm, packages.debian.org suggests 4.6 in Wheezy and 4.7 in Sid. |
| 18:38.42 | thewanderer1 | there's no "fallback" switch there, huh! |
| 18:38.43 | gulzar | thewanderer1: they kept that option for fallback there.. (don't know why?) |
| 18:39.07 | thewanderer1 | Overview, Default programs, Graphics -- that is all |
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| 18:39.23 | gulzar | thewanderer1: there should be.. on the left there are 2 or 3 options .. in one of them there should be fallback button turned OFF.. slide it and make it ON |
| 18:39.41 | thewanderer1 | well, it's not there... I think I'm screwed |
| 18:39.48 | gulzar | thewanderer1: If not then google is you guide.. |
| 18:40.10 | gulzar | thewanderer1: I used it on gnome 3.2 |
| 18:40.31 | gulzar | thewanderer1: searching on google.. wait |
| 18:40.33 | thewanderer1 | yeah, this is 3.2.1 |
| 18:40.42 | thewanderer1 | gnome-session-fallback is installed |
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| 18:41.03 | thewanderer1 | maybe I just need to pick "GNOME (fallback)" from the DM manually |
| 18:41.06 | ChibaPet | Hm, there appear to be plans for 4.8 to ship in Wheezy. |
| 18:41.13 | gulzar | thewanderer1: in graphics |
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| 18:41.18 | gulzar | thewanderer1: see in graphics |
| 18:41.42 | thewanderer1 | ok... there is no switch there, only 2 text lines. 1: my GPU name, 2: Standard interface with no switch |
| 18:41.51 | gulzar | thewanderer1: it is not there in DM.. it is either gnome-shell or fallback not together |
| 18:42.04 | gulzar | thewanderer1: http://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/gnome-3-fallback.html |
| 18:42.30 | vice | how can i see, which program/process downloads something? |
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| 18:42.55 | gulzar | thewanderer1: then may be something is missing.. try #gnome |
| 18:43.10 | gulzar | thewanderer1: saw that? |
| 18:43.12 | feanor | oh come on, no way I can fix it now!!!!!! |
| 18:43.24 | Kooky | Vice try lsof |
| 18:43.28 | thewanderer1 | gulzar, I am trying... I think I've just hit a grave Chromium bug :P |
| 18:43.35 | feanor | I un commented thos squeeze lines, but "apt-get install -f" won't fix it! |
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| 18:43.51 | feanor | and "apt-get dist-upgrade" not working spits a lot of errors. |
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| 18:44.07 | feanor | how can I fix this without having to reinstall, please? |
| 18:44.08 | webdebianuser | Some body help me, how to create a local repository from 8 dvd squeeze debian discs simply? |
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| 18:44.15 | ChibaPet | feanor, can you add the repos back in and trim your install before removing them? |
| 18:44.17 | gulzar | thewanderer1: seems like ..there must be some command for that .. try #gnome and then file bug |
| 18:44.49 | rozz_ | Hello. I'm looking for an open source alternative to wolframalpha for Debian stable. Does such software exist? I have heard of Sage, but it appears to be only for Debian unstable, perhaps testing. |
| 18:44.51 | feanor | <ChibaPet>, what do u mean? |
| 18:44.55 | thewanderer1 | yeah this: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=662906 fun fun |
| 18:44.57 | gulzar | thewanderer1: I used it .. but shell is too irritating when woeking with lots of apps and fallback is horrable so switched to compiz+lxpanel |
| 18:45.12 | ChibaPet | feanor: You broke your install by removing references to repositories, yes? |
| 18:45.29 | feanor | pretty much |
| 18:45.45 | feanor | I dist upgraded, but I had commented out all squeeze volatile updates. |
| 18:45.52 | ChibaPet | Add the references back in. Get the system into a working state. Remove packages by hand. Then remove the repositories and see how it goes. |
| 18:46.28 | ChibaPet | Or... Isn't Volatile just "updates" now? Maybe just change the name. But get the system back into a stable state first, regardless. |
| 18:46.29 | feanor | that sounds like a waste of time for me. |
| 18:46.33 | gulzar | thewanderer1: bugs.. thank god .. i don't suffer from them much |
| 18:46.37 | feanor | easier to re-install squeeze. |
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| 18:46.43 | thewanderer1 | aha, this bug means "/tmp is full". |
| 18:46.44 | ChibaPet | feanor, absolutely. I like that plan better. Enjoy. |
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| 18:46.51 | gulzar | feanor: I agree.. reinstall but keep the cache |
| 18:46.52 | feanor | but how the hell do I dist-upgrade to wheezy? |
| 18:46.58 | thewanderer1 | s/bug/error/ actually |
| 18:47.19 | feanor | gulzar: how to do that? |
| 18:47.29 | feanor | hey, bramd new install. |
| 18:47.36 | rozz_ | Does anyone have any alternatives to mathematica for stable? |
| 18:47.42 | gulzar | feanor: software cache is there .. !clone |
| 18:47.46 | feanor | but I need to know exactly how to dist-upgrade to wheezy. |
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| 18:48.46 | feanor | reboot |
| 18:48.50 | gulzar | thewanderer1: time to go.. sleep time. |
| 18:48.59 | auska | Hi! When I try to restart apache2 I get: _default_ VirtualHost overlap on port 80, the first has precedence |
| 18:49.04 | thewanderer1 | ok, thanks for the help. seems like I have much sid-taming to do :P |
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| 18:49.10 | cuit | Soz this isn't debian-specific but where can I learn RAID and possibly some debian RAID setup since that'd be the OS on the machine if I needed |
| 18:49.11 | auska | does anyone know what does it mean? |
| 18:49.17 | gulzar | thewanderer1: np :) |
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| 18:50.06 | thewanderer1 | oh btw. the maintainer for chromium is not the Games Team anymore - should the BTS show the Stable maintainer or the Testing maintainer? |
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| 18:54.04 | acu | rozz: sage |
| 18:54.25 | acu | rozz: but you have to install the .deb |
| 18:54.59 | gy4e8d | http://zhuk.in/c97 |
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| 18:58.58 | feanor | hey, seriously how to dist-upgrade from squeeze to wheezy!!!!!!! |
| 18:59.14 | dondelelcaro | !tell feanor -about squeeze->wheezy |
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| 19:00.10 | feanor | hey, but that's what I did! and then someone here told me I should not remove squeeze updates. |
| 19:00.21 | feanor | I had an error when dist-upgradeing. |
| 19:00.44 | feanor | I have installed a new system with no window manager, just the very basic system |
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| 19:01.45 | dondelelcaro | feanor: well, yes, you shouldn't remove the security updates from squeeze, but otherwise, the information is basically corret. |
| 19:01.56 | dondelelcaro | feanor: you're kind of supposed to know that if you're running testing, though. |
| 19:02.07 | dondelelcaro | !tell feanor -about bat |
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| 19:02.14 | dondelelcaro | feanor: provide us with the information dpkg told you |
| 19:02.34 | feanor | forget about that, I re-installed |
| 19:03.06 | Vasistha | I often find that if a fuse connection gets interrupted, e.g. sshfs has an internet hiccup, then I am unable to umount, and the thing just stalls. Is there some way to get the fuse process to close gracefully? |
| 19:03.42 | feanor | u mena the Volatile lines? |
| 19:03.54 | feanor | I got 6 lines in my sources.list, ok |
| 19:03.56 | dondelelcaro | feanor: no, I mean the security update lines. |
| 19:04.01 | feanor | in pairs of 2. |
| 19:04.11 | dondelelcaro | feanor: but regardless, if you reinstalled, then what's the actual problem? |
| 19:04.21 | feanor | in what lines do I have to change squeze to wheeze? |
| 19:04.39 | feanor | I resinstalled squeeze, but I want to dist-upgrade it to wheezy. |
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| 19:05.21 | feanor | what lines to change then? fisrt 2? or first 4? |
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| 19:06.50 | feanor | I don't understand a thing. |
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| 19:07.05 | feanor | and I don't want to screw up again, I need detailed information on how to do this. |
| 19:07.44 | feanor | "remove stable-specific lines like squeeze-updates and backports, and change squeeze to wheezy. " |
| 19:08.01 | feanor | and u told me: you shouldn't remove the security updates from squeeze. |
| 19:08.04 | LtL | feanor: type /topic ..read |
| 19:08.26 | dondelelcaro | feanor: well, it doesn't really matter for most things. You can remove them if you wish |
| 19:08.36 | nyingen | can anyone tell me how hotkeys like volume-up/volume-down are handled in debian? |
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| 19:08.48 | bitHipy | if squeeze weren't so damn buggy, I would probably have a working gnash, and could watch this clip on mississippi republican rednecks => http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=386_1331503569 |
| 19:08.49 | feanor | that gave an error and I had to reinstall. |
| 19:08.50 | dondelelcaro | nyingen: depends |
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| 19:09.11 | dondelelcaro | feanor: then you'll have to tell us what the error is. |
| 19:09.12 | nyingen | dondelelcaro: on my system, /etc/acpi/volupbtn.sh contains a call to acpi_fakekef |
| 19:09.12 | bitHipy | now I cannot watch the clip on republican rednecks, because I'm stuck w/ an old version of debian |
| 19:09.16 | nyingen | *acpi_fakekey |
| 19:09.22 | dondelelcaro | feanor: and errors don't mean that you reinstall |
| 19:09.22 | feanor | I got 6 lines in pairs of 2. what should I comment out, and where to change squeeze to wheezy. |
| 19:09.27 | bitHipy | have sympathy for me at least |
| 19:09.28 | nyingen | the question is, what happens after that? |
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| 19:10.10 | nyingen | the fate of the event after acpi_fakekey has got to be documented somewhere, right? |
| 19:10.13 | dondelelcaro | bitHipy: so install a backport of gnash |
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| 19:10.44 | bitHipy | dondelelcaro: i might do that.. thanks for the suggestion |
| 19:11.26 | LtL | feanor: sorry topic doesn't mention what you want, as far as i know, change the word 'squeeze' to 'wheezy' in your sources file lines. |
| 19:11.33 | dondelelcaro | feanor: dpkg's instructions are fairly clear. If they aren't, you shouldn't be running testing. |
| 19:11.48 | feanor | LtL, in all of them? |
| 19:11.54 | LtL | feanor: yes |
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| 19:12.18 | LtL | feanor: only where squeeze appears, simply switch to wheezy |
| 19:12.21 | feanor | and why someone tells me "you shouldn't remove the security updates from squeeze" |
| 19:13.16 | LtL | feanor: that could be true. /msg dpkg for information |
| 19:13.43 | dvs | feanor: if you're using wheezy, then they were wrong |
| 19:13.45 | feanor | ok, I am a total mess now. |
| 19:13.51 | Vasistha | feanor: why don't you pastebin your sources.list |
| 19:14.06 | feanor | <Vasistha> I cant do that |
| 19:14.14 | valdyn | feanor: why cant you? |
| 19:14.20 | nyingen | feanor: perhaps you should read the debian admin guide |
| 19:14.22 | feanor | I got a mint sources.list. |
| 19:14.24 | dondelelcaro | feanor: the reason why someone told you that is because security updates to testing happen very slowly. |
| 19:14.27 | Vasistha | although it's a good point, honestly, feanor, if you need to ask for help with sources.list and are unable to pastebin your sources.list THEN YOU SHOULD NOT BE RUNNING WHEEZY AT ALL |
| 19:14.29 | dondelelcaro | feanor: it won't hurt you. |
| 19:14.57 | feanor | look, I just installed a base squeeze, no desktop... |
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| 19:15.00 | valdyn | feanor: if youre running mint then maybe you should tell us what you *really* are trying to do |
| 19:15.13 | feanor | and I just want to switch to "wheezy" |
| 19:15.21 | valdyn | feanor: from what? |
| 19:15.23 | feanor | and then start installing everything I nned. |
| 19:15.24 | dondelelcaro | feanor: if you have a mint sources.list, you aren't running Debian, you're running Mint. |
| 19:15.29 | feanor | from squeeze. |
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| 19:15.40 | feanor | mint -> new |
| 19:15.42 | valdyn | feanor: then where does your mint sources.list get into the picture? |
| 19:15.43 | feanor | untouched. |
| 19:16.05 | dondelelcaro | feanor: then make the changes you think you should be making, and show it to us. |
| 19:16.13 | feanor | I mena, the sources.list created in the install process. |
| 19:16.34 | feanor | I don't know what changes to make, cuz I am a mess now. |
| 19:16.47 | dondelelcaro | feanor: dpkg told you; /msg dpkg squeeze->wheezy |
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| 19:16.53 | feanor | no |
| 19:17.14 | feanor | because then u said I should kkep squeeze-updates, but it says I should remove that |
| 19:17.22 | dondelelcaro | feanor: it doesn't matter if you keep or remove them. |
| 19:17.55 | dondelelcaro | feanor: the only difference is whether you'll get security updates which haven't been superceeded by a version in testing, but since you're running testing, you shouldn't care about security much. |
| 19:18.26 | thewanderer1 | how on earth does one open an Empathy chat window on GNOME? :[ |
| 19:18.33 | feanor | then why did it fail previous time? after I commented thos update lines???!?!!?!?! |
| 19:19.02 | valdyn | feanor: we cant say what's wrong when you cant show us how it looks |
| 19:19.02 | dondelelcaro | feanor: we don't know, because you haven't told us what failed. |
| 19:19.08 | LtL | feanor: what exactly failed |
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| 19:19.17 | feanor | ok |
| 19:19.22 | feanor | let's start all over. |
| 19:19.24 | dondelelcaro | feanor: and plus, it's not like testing is always in a workable state, either. |
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| 19:20.05 | LtL | feanor: you really don't want to do this but best of luck to you :) |
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| 19:21.00 | feanor | my sources.list has 6 lines, in pairs of 2. then Last pair is osmething proviously known as "volatile", what do I do with those last 2 lines then? a: comment out? b: let them be. c: replace squeeze to wheezy? |
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| 19:21.27 | dvs | feanor: volitile is now squeeze-updates |
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| 19:21.55 | dondelelcaro | feanor: remove them or leave them or comment them out; doesn't matter. |
| 19:22.07 | feanor | ok |
| 19:22.17 | feanor | then I let them be |
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| 19:22.42 | feanor | then for what to do with the fisrt 4 lines? replace squeeze with wheezy? |
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| 19:23.16 | valdyn | feanor: when did you tell us whats in those 4 lines? |
| 19:23.26 | dondelelcaro | feanor: yes. |
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| 19:23.39 | feanor | in the security.debian.org lines (second pair), do I have to replace squeeze with wheezy? |
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| 19:24.01 | dondelelcaro | feanor: no, because there currently aren't any testing security updates |
| 19:24.16 | feanor | ok, so then, I let them be? |
| 19:24.20 | feanor | or comment out? |
| 19:24.47 | dondelelcaro | feanor: doesn't matter. |
| 19:24.54 | feanor | and in the 1st pair, I guess is where I replace 'squeeze' with 'wheezy', correct? |
| 19:24.54 | dondelelcaro | feanor: but leaving them be is probably better. |
| 19:24.58 | dondelelcaro | yes. |
| 19:25.07 | feanor | ok, so that's what I need to do in the end. |
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| 19:25.26 | feanor | is to replace that in the 1st pair |
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| 19:26.38 | thewanderer1 | is there any way to revert to normal conversation windows with Empathy instead of using this awful "widget" at the bottom of the screen? I can't copy text from it, access it whenever I want etc. |
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| 19:31.06 | Vasistha | thewanderer1: someone on irc.gnome.org might be more likely to know |
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| 19:31.56 | jhutchins_wk | Vasistha: Mostly the same people as here. |
| 19:32.07 | jhutchins_wk | Er, wait, no. |
| 19:32.24 | Vasistha | that was a surprising claim |
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| 19:33.18 | jhutchins_wk | Vasistha: Yeah, completely misread you. |
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| 19:35.35 | thewanderer1 | hmm okay... |
| 19:36.18 | eSa| | #define AV_NEW_OBJ(ptr, destr) \ |
| 19:36.18 | eSa| | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:36.18 | eSa| | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:39.06 | eSa| | seems to me just a void pointer of a void pointer, isn't it? |
| 19:39.33 | feanor | ok, upgraded, but now kernel error when booting, "Error: device pcspeaker already registered" and hangs on populating /dev. |
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| 19:41.05 | thewanderer1 | !why is minitube not in stable |
| 19:41.05 | dpkg | thewanderer1: what are you talking about? |
| 19:41.10 | thewanderer1 | errrrr... |
| 19:41.12 | Whiskey | http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/ubuntu/keyboard-shortcuts-for-bash-command-shell-for-ubuntu-debian-suse-redhat-linux-etc/ |
| 19:41.41 | thewanderer1 | which bot was it, again? |
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| 19:43.31 | dondelelcaro | !why is minitube not in testing |
| 19:43.32 | dpkg | minitube is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=minitube |
| 19:43.50 | dondelelcaro | there's no stable tracker, because packages don't get added to stable |
| 19:44.11 | thewanderer1 | aha... but I could swear it used to be in stable and now it's not |
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| 19:44.41 | thewanderer1 | and the testing/sid release refuses to play a single movie :P |
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| 19:45.42 | dondelelcaro | thewanderer1: sometimes packages are removed from stable if they are horribly buggy |
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| 19:45.59 | bs0d | Hello everybody. |
| 19:46.04 | dondelelcaro | thewanderer1: there would be a removal request bug against the ftp.debian.org psuedopackage if that were the case |
| 19:46.07 | kesroesweyth | Whiskey > Thanks for the article link. Very useful information, but is Ctrl+T really necessary? I can't think of a situation where it is beneficial over just hitting backspace twice and retyping the last two characters. |
| 19:46.24 | Whiskey | hehe |
| 19:46.27 | dondelelcaro | kesroesweyth: I use it surprisingly often, actually |
| 19:46.28 | Whiskey | i don´t get any of those to work |
| 19:46.33 | dondelelcaro | kesroesweyth: but even more useful is M-t |
| 19:46.35 | bs0d | After an update pulseaudio stopeed to discover the xulrunner plugin in browsers. And no sound can be heard from flash. |
| 19:46.41 | bs0d | What should I check to get it working? |
| 19:47.16 | Whiskey | How are i suposeed to write it to make it work dondelelcaro? |
| 19:47.18 | kesroesweyth | dondelelcaro > what is M? (noob question) |
| 19:47.21 | dondelelcaro | kesroesweyth: meta |
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| 19:47.28 | kesroesweyth | Whiskey, are you using bash? |
| 19:47.40 | dondelelcaro | Whiskey: it assumes that you are using bash in emacs mode. vi mode is different |
| 19:47.42 | kesroesweyth | dondelelcaro > oh, duh |
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| 19:47.48 | Whiskey | yes |
| 19:48.02 | kesroesweyth | M-t is the same as ESC-t? |
| 19:48.03 | dondelelcaro | Whiskey: so... which commands aren't working? |
| 19:48.15 | dondelelcaro | kesroesweyth: yes, but normally people have meta maped. |
| 19:48.22 | kesroesweyth | dondelelcaro I see |
| 19:48.29 | Whiskey | all |
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| 19:48.34 | Whiskey | i try whit |
| 19:48.48 | Whiskey | but i try to get, ctrl-k and ctrl-u to work |
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| 19:49.06 | withheld | How can I change the hibernation scripts? I want to add xscreensaver-command -lock when I hibernate |
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| 19:50.28 | kesroesweyth | I learn these shortcuts and then when I have to use DOS or something, I am rendered powerless xD |
| 19:50.30 | phob0sss | hello |
| 19:50.31 | somiaj | withheld: if you are using pm-utils, man pm-suspend, you can put custom scripts in /etc/sleep.d/ that get run on suspend/resume |
| 19:50.39 | Whiskey | dondelelcaro? |
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| 19:51.01 | kesroesweyth | ctrl+k works in nano |
| 19:51.03 | kesroesweyth | :) |
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| 19:51.46 | thewanderer1 | dondelelcaro, well, would it still be there? I think minitube used to be in squeeze |
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| 19:52.01 | Whiskey | but not in bash |
| 19:52.05 | kesroesweyth | Whiskey > are you using vi? |
| 19:52.06 | Whiskey | as bash-script |
| 19:52.12 | kesroesweyth | Whiskey > right |
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| 19:52.33 | Whiskey | or are it not supoesd to work whit bash scripts? |
| 19:53.14 | kesroesweyth | Whiskey > in what editor? |
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| 19:54.03 | Whiskey | no editor :D |
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| 19:54.09 | Whiskey | in bash script !!! |
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| 19:54.46 | kesroesweyth | Whiskey > you want to put keyboard shortcuts in a bash script? |
| 19:55.10 | kesroesweyth | these shortcuts are meant to be used while working in bash, the shell, methinks |
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| 19:55.57 | kesroesweyth | bourne again shell, starring matt damon |
| 19:56.16 | Whiskey | yehs |
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| 19:56.40 | Whiskey | but whatever i do i don´t get it working :D |
| 19:57.35 | kesroesweyth | Whiskey > you mention bash scripts, which makes me think we're talking about different things. the shortcuts are for working at the command prompt, afaik. how are you trying to use them? |
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| 19:58.16 | AthomIk | hello |
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| 19:58.34 | Whiskey | in a script |
| 19:58.41 | Whiskey | but yeh i notice them work in terminal also |
| 19:58.59 | kesroesweyth | Whiskey > I don't know how they could work in a script. That part doesn't make sense to me. |
| 20:00.22 | kesroesweyth | Whiskey > If you're using bash as your shell, they should work in the terminal itself though. What is the output of echo $0 |
| 20:00.44 | Whiskey | well |
| 20:00.49 | Whiskey | i just get command not found |
| 20:01.11 | Whiskey | its bash |
| 20:01.45 | kesroesweyth | Whiskey > Okay, the shortcuts should work at the command prompt. If you're having trouble with a script, I can't help you xD |
| 20:01.56 | kesroesweyth | Whiskey > But I don't think these shortcuts are script-related. |
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| 20:07.20 | sephii | hello there, I have a debian server which has a hard disk that just crashed. The company that hosts my server restarted it in "rescue" mode (ie. network boot) and I don't have any access to my hard drive (I think it's dead), but I have a backup which is hosted on an ftp |
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| 20:07.51 | sephii | the problem is, that ftp is accessible only from the server itself, and I don't have enough space to retrieve the backup from the ftp to the "local" fs |
| 20:08.09 | AthomIk | is debian can have a driver for nvidia working ? |
| 20:08.30 | sephii | and I can't install any additional software on the server because the fs is mounted read-only. This is a tricky problem, and any advice would be really welcome |
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| 20:09.02 | mmnicolas | AthomIk: I is debian and I can has a working nvidia driver flawless it is |
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| 20:09.47 | Blue1 | sephii: this might help: http://pkill-9.com/recovering-after-hosing-etcfstab/ |
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| 20:09.55 | AthomIk | mmnicolas: nvidia driver is a great bad driver on debian sid, very buggy system |
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| 20:10.12 | movl | :)))) |
| 20:10.21 | mmnicolas | AthomIk: noticed how sid is not called "stable" ? |
| 20:11.00 | AthomIk | mmnicolas: OS can run, os cannot run is not a real os |
| 20:11.12 | AthomIk | never see this on fedora, never |
| 20:11.22 | AthomIk | another world |
| 20:11.27 | Blue1 | non sequitur sir |
| 20:11.37 | mmnicolas | can someone hit him |
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| 20:11.53 | noravu | lol |
| 20:12.03 | movl | AthomIk: try running Rawhide sometime |
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| 20:12.23 | sephii | Blue1: i can't remount the fs rw |
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| 20:13.11 | nyingen | so I found out yesterday that the default binding to the power button is to issue shutdown -h |
| 20:13.20 | nyingen | I feel like I should file a bug :) |
| 20:14.28 | AthomIk | movl ok i like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qCRae5mRoRE |
| 20:14.32 | AthomIk | :D |
| 20:14.47 | AthomIk | but sid is a great lot of shit i see..... not funny |
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| 20:15.09 | klync | nyingen: why? "Power button works as expected"? |
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| 20:16.37 | mmnicolas | AthomIk: he was referring to this: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/Rawhide |
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| 20:17.47 | nyingen | klync: well, this is a laptop, and the power button happens to be located close to the backspace key |
| 20:17.58 | nyingen | but really, is immediately shutting down the machine a good default behavior? |
| 20:18.23 | klync | oh, you mean filing a bug with your hardware vendor ... nm :P |
| 20:18.33 | ksuhku | file a bug yes... in the laptop bug system |
| 20:18.45 | kenjy | guys when I do a df -i the output shows that one of my partitions with resiserfs file system has 0 inodes in total, free and used |
| 20:19.15 | movl | kenjy: it can happen |
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| 20:19.27 | kenjy | but I have a lot of files there and I can access them, therefore, this is a partition on the same hard disk that home , root and swap and this seem to bo okay |
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| 20:19.49 | kenjy | movl: is it a big issue? what should I do? |
| 20:19.59 | kenjy | movl: should I be on panic? |
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| 20:21.19 | AthomIk | mmnicolas: ok thk |
| 20:21.42 | duga | hmmm |
| 20:21.58 | MarkS- | Hello, I get the following errors while trying to upgrade lenny to squeeze http://yourpaste.net/10867/ I removed parts regarding the downloads being in proces. What could be a solution? |
| 20:22.04 | kenjy | guys any hint on my inodes issue? |
| 20:22.07 | duga | someone knows how to add event callbacks in gnome3? |
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| 20:22.21 | duga | f.e. i would like to add logout sound in gnom3 |
| 20:22.45 | movl | kenjy: |
| 20:22.45 | duga | and many other sounds, which I cannot add in a normal way |
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| 20:22.48 | movl | kenjy: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/653096/howto-free-inode-usage |
| 20:23.12 | movl | kenjy: whatever it is, do not panic :) |
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| 20:24.45 | kenjy | movl: df -i shows 0 inodes free, 0 inodes used and 0 inodes in total |
| 20:25.06 | klync | does reiserfs even use inodes, then? |
| 20:25.15 | movl | oh |
| 20:25.20 | movl | you're on reiserfs? |
| 20:25.31 | kenjy | movl: yes |
| 20:25.38 | movl | I must have missed that |
| 20:26.07 | movl | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inode |
| 20:26.18 | movl | apparently reiserfs does not have an inode table |
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| 20:26.59 | kenjy | movl: if I do ls -i on my reiserfs file system mounted I can see them, also I can do hard links (that require inodes) |
| 20:27.16 | movl | if you can create files, you're ok |
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| 20:27.56 | kenjy | movl: then whay df its showing this? |
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| 20:28.10 | klync | kenjy: this is, apparently, expected for df: http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r11577354-inode-information-for-reiserfs-vxfs |
| 20:28.16 | movl | because ,,, |
| 20:28.20 | movl | yes |
| 20:28.22 | movl | :) |
| 20:28.27 | kenjy | klync: okay tnks |
| 20:28.33 | klync | https://support.zabbix.com/browse/ZBX-4355 |
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| 20:28.40 | klync | kenjy: don't thank me, thank google :D |
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| 20:30.12 | eugo | What user and group owns your /var/www ? |
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| 20:30.55 | stevieman | I'm trying to use trickle to control an rsync upload but 'trickle -su 512' does not seem to be limiting rsync to 512 KBps. Is that the right syntax for trickle? |
| 20:31.01 | klync | eugo: for me, its root:root ... not sure if that's the system default tho - this tree's been grafted many times |
| 20:31.12 | eugo | mine's root:root too |
| 20:31.40 | eugo | how should i go about allowing users access to the folder? i can't add them all to root |
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| 20:32.09 | stevieman | eugo: Fresh server with Debian 6 and it is root:root |
| 20:32.39 | stevieman | eugo: Only give them access to their sub folder |
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| 20:36.13 | simonlnu | stevieman: well, rsync will optimise itself, so tell not to |
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| 20:37.10 | stevieman | simonlou: How do I do that? I did a man rsync and got not Manual entry for rsync |
| 20:37.26 | stevieman | simonlnu, never mind, I was on the wrong server, no rysnc on that one yet |
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| 20:37.56 | simonlnu | oh duh :) |
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| 20:38.53 | stevieman | simonlnu, I'm not seeing an option to tell rsync not to optimize |
| 20:38.55 | simonlnu | i do that sometimes. "wtf?! i *know* it's installed!" then you look at the hostname in your shell prompt, tmux/screen, and then sigh quietly to yourself. |
| 20:39.20 | stevieman | simonlnu, very quietly :) |
| 20:39.23 | simonlnu | i don't remember the word they used |
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| 20:39.57 | klync | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:39.58 | simonlnu | connection throltting or such |
| 20:40.14 | simonlnu | "oh, no." |
| 20:40.15 | stevieman | simonlnu, oh that doesn't work |
| 20:40.22 | simonlnu | oh ok |
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| 20:41.30 | eugo | stevieman: do you mean change the permissions on the /var/www subfolders? |
| 20:41.33 | stevieman | simonlnu, that works on a floating average over the entire transfer by pausing between files, so doing transfer it goes as fast as it can and then waits. It's a so so solution for large files but for small files it doesn't work. Hence the need for trickle |
| 20:41.57 | simonlnu | maybe piping through trickle? |
| 20:42.12 | simonlnu | (i've never used it, so if it doesn't make sense ignore me) |
| 20:42.29 | stevieman | eugo: Give the user access to the appropriate sub folder using their group or go hard core and jailroot them. |
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| 20:43.14 | stevieman | simonlnu, yah trickle lets you control the transfer of a certain command/app. Just doesn't seem to be working for me today. rsync is using all my bandwidth |
| 20:43.45 | simonlnu | there's no --slow-the-hell-down-wise-ass option |
| 20:43.55 | stevieman | simonlnu, nope |
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| 20:44.20 | simonlnu | /dev/zero neither |
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| 20:44.32 | stevieman | eugo: Check out the chroot option. I use it on a couple of servers that clients need to ssh into |
| 20:45.11 | simonlnu | bandwidth limit |
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| 20:45.37 | simonlnu | --bwlimit=KBPS |
| 20:45.46 | simonlnu | ...but he left |
| 20:46.26 | simonlnu | so there is one |
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| 20:48.16 | iluminator101_ | E: The package libobasis3.5-binfilter needs to be reinstalled, but I can't find an archive for it. |
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| 20:56.48 | dvs | Hey! I guess the topic needs to be changed with regards to 5.0.10 (lenny) |
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| 20:58.12 | ben1066 | i managed to hose my home server with hdd corruption >_> |
| 20:58.35 | ben1066 | I managed to grab the important stuff through a different, but most of the bins were fucked |
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| 20:59.04 | dvs | ben1066: I'd try to grab as much as I could out of the /etc directory |
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| 20:59.33 | ben1066 | dvs: I had no massively important configs or anything, just quasselcore, ftp and transmission |
| 21:00.02 | dvs | ben1066: Is the hard drive physically still good? |
| 21:00.08 | ben1066 | physically yea |
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| 21:00.12 | ben1066 | I had a power outage |
| 21:00.19 | dvs | !pity ben1066 |
| 21:00.19 | dpkg | I pity da fool ben1066! |
| 21:00.34 | ben1066 | I maanged to run fsck however as I said, a lot of /usr/bin was corrupt and would just hang |
| 21:00.46 | ben1066 | including apt-get which kinda...well screws you :p |
| 21:00.53 | ben1066 | and dpkg |
| 21:00.59 | dvs | heh |
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| 21:02.00 | ben1066 | its not a huge deal to me, I have to work with windows |
| 21:02.05 | ben1066 | and it likes to break |
| 21:02.07 | dvs | O_O |
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| 21:04.19 | muzone | is now playing: Muzone ft. SV - Get Money (http://home.no/reddvinylene/get_money.mp3) |
| 21:04.43 | ben1066 | and tranmission is back |
| 21:04.56 | ben1066 | now just to upload the files again, and everything is restored :p |
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| 21:05.09 | dvs | ben1066: I though dpkg and apt-get would be more important. |
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| 21:05.25 | ben1066 | dvs: I reinstalled, easier that way |
| 21:05.36 | ben1066 | as I said, its a home server with no massively complex configs |
| 21:05.40 | ben1066 | its all fairly standard |
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| 21:06.42 | ben1066 | dvs: I know enough about linux to do all this, but this is pretty much the extent of my knowledge, I didnt know what to do with my old install |
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| 21:07.03 | ben1066 | I used the rescue mode to reinstall grub and get it booting |
| 21:07.09 | ben1066 | then fsck from the maintance console |
| 21:07.15 | dvs | ben1066: Well, if you can reconfigure everything from scratch, I'd do a new install too |
| 21:07.15 | ben1066 | but further than that i had no idea |
| 21:07.22 | ben1066 | But yea, thats what Im doing :p |
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| 21:07.34 | ben1066 | also gotta recompile the kernel >_> |
| 21:07.42 | dvs | ben1066: That's nothing |
| 21:07.49 | ben1066 | ikno, just a pita |
| 21:07.59 | ben1066 | thats the most tedious bit of all I have to do :P |
| 21:08.00 | dvs | ben1066: Oh, the configuring would be a pain |
| 21:08.04 | ben1066 | Yea |
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| 21:08.16 | ben1066 | Note to self, save more backups |
| 21:08.34 | dvs | localconfigmod helps though |
| 21:09.15 | ben1066 | https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=1064269 I pity him, 18 hours to find youve screwed up :P |
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| 21:10.40 | ben1066 | the thing with mine is it uses a via eden cpu, which is architectually a c7, yet everything has no idea and just thinks its a generic i686, hence I have to coax it into playing nice :P |
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| 21:11.07 | dvs | ben1066: That must be one long compile |
| 21:11.11 | ben1066 | to use the correct freq scaling, the hardware aes and sha andsuch, hardware aes and sha are nice though :p |
| 21:11.28 | ben1066 | dvs: its no big deal, i can do other things while it compiles in screen, its a silent pc anyway |
| 21:11.32 | ben1066 | hence the low power cpu |
| 21:11.55 | ben1066 | plan on moving to a dual core atom or celeron at some point...might need a fan then though D: |
| 21:12.08 | ben1066 | but I found some really nice miniitx stuff |
| 21:12.11 | ben1066 | which would be idea |
| 21:12.14 | ben1066 | ideal* |
| 21:12.17 | dvs | ben1066: water cooled! |
| 21:12.39 | ben1066 | im thinking 2.5ghz sandy bridge, if I underclocked it a bit it could probly have no fan. |
| 21:13.24 | ben1066 | its only a 65tdp part anyway |
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| 21:13.39 | simonlnu | yeh water cooled would be quiet i think |
| 21:14.08 | ben1066 | simonlnu: for a 2.5ghz cpu its not worthwhile, its only gonna have 1x120mm fan, my main pc makes noise due to the graphics fans |
| 21:14.12 | ben1066 | which are whiny |
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| 21:14.59 | simonlnu | i have one on this old radeon, that sometimes gets buzzy, then quiets down. though last reboot got it quiet again. odd hardware i have. |
| 21:15.29 | ben1066 | but yea, there are these nice picopsu things that just plug in the 24 pin mobo connector and give a couple sata power and a molex and take power from a 12v laptop brick |
| 21:15.51 | ben1066 | that + microitx mobo + case + 8gb ddr3 :D |
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| 21:15.57 | ben1066 | £260 |
| 21:16.00 | ben1066 | for everything |
| 21:16.19 | ben1066 | and actually, i dont think even an oem can beat that... |
| 21:16.33 | simonlnu | ah nice, diy |
| 21:16.58 | ben1066 | my curent one is a thin client with a bit extra ram and a hdd instead of the 128m flash it had |
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| 21:17.09 | ben1066 | £25 luckbuy on ebay :p |
| 21:17.10 | simonlnu | stick it in a cardboard box and you're done (j/k) |
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| 21:18.47 | ben1066 | yep, wow, I have managed to outprice a dell pc :p |
| 21:19.12 | ben1066 | for low end its hard to imo |
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| 21:20.27 | simonlnu | if i had extra cash and my wife agreed i'd do something like that, but 3 of them (server, 2 workstations) |
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| 21:20.38 | ben1066 | heh |
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| 21:20.59 | simonlnu | comes a matriarchal culture |
| 21:21.03 | simonlnu | from a |
| 21:21.07 | ben1066 | I dont have the cash right now, not all of it at my disposal, but ill do it within the next 6 months I hope |
| 21:21.47 | TheBeast | is there any way of extracting the kernel version from a chrooted environment? I've automated my debian install procedure but at the end I need to chroot and run a bash script to compile/install a kernel. Problem is, the installer has a different kernel version than the target system and it simply won't work |
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| 21:22.04 | simonlnu | check its /chrootdir/boot/config* |
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| 21:22.24 | TheBeast | yea, like /boot/vmlinuz-<version string here> |
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| 21:22.38 | simonlnu | or run strings on the kernel, or check /lib/modules |
| 21:23.06 | TheBeast | but I'm not sure how to get rid of 'vmlinuz-' - I only need the part after the hyphen |
| 21:23.56 | TheBeast | strings is not an option and /lib/modules is unreliable for future driver upgrades |
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| 21:25.41 | dvs | TheBeast: If you only need the part after the hyphen then it's "uname -r" |
| 21:26.17 | TheBeast | it will report the debian installer kver and not the /target kver |
| 21:26.24 | dvs | ah |
| 21:26.57 | TheBeast | what I'm doing is really silly, I'm hacking the friggin installer in order to be able to boot from a raid controller that doesn't have drivers |
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| 21:27.20 | ben1066 | sucks D: |
| 21:27.29 | TheBeast | so debian install -> post_install(compile kernel module) -> update ramdisk -> boot |
| 21:28.17 | TheBeast | heh it does |
| 21:28.25 | ben1066 | sounds like fun :D |
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| 21:28.34 | ben1066 | I wouldnt wanna have to reinstall that system...ever |
| 21:29.05 | TheBeast | I actually have to automate this because we're deploying a whole bunch of servers with this raid controller |
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| 21:29.29 | ben1066 | TheBeast: build your own installer and use PXE? |
| 21:29.34 | TheBeast | so my goal is to let di do its stuff and then at the end just execute a shell script that takes care of the driver installation |
| 21:29.41 | TheBeast | yup |
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| 21:30.21 | vice | hallo! do i need 8 dvds for installing squeeze? would be a very long downloadtime for me (ftp://fp.de.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.4/amd64/iso-dvd/*) |
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| 21:30.23 | simonlnu | so you go for hardware you didn't check out beforehand? |
| 21:30.26 | ben1066 | Fun stuff, I like having only my small network to deal with.. |
| 21:30.31 | ben1066 | vice: no, you dont |
| 21:30.41 | ben1066 | vice: the best method is probly the net install image |
| 21:30.51 | ben1066 | http://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst |
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| 21:31.16 | ben1066 | If I knew how to use the dpkg bot I would :P |
| 21:31.37 | simonlnu | !netinst |
| 21:31.38 | dpkg | hmm... netinst is a small CD image with which you can install Debian. If, during the installation process you have a working Internet connection, you can install more packages straight away, otherwise, you will have a base install and more packages later. See http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ See also <various cd1>, <check iso image>, <dialup install>, <usb install>, <installer>. |
| 21:31.43 | Guest88163 | anyone know if the amd C60 is 32 or 64 bit? |
| 21:32.23 | dvs | vice: If you have a WIRED internet connection, the netinst CD would be the best option. |
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| 21:32.29 | ben1066 | Im guessing 64bit.... |
| 21:32.45 | ben1066 | its recent, I dont know any recent 32 bit cpu |
| 21:32.50 | dvs | What's a C60 |
| 21:33.03 | ben1066 | Guest88163: do you have debian installed atm? can you do cat /proc/cpuinfo? |
| 21:33.10 | kevlarman | ben1066: some atoms are still 32 bit |
| 21:33.13 | Guest88163 | C60 dual-core |
| 21:33.17 | Guest88163 | processor |
| 21:33.21 | ben1066 | dvs: its one of those wierd amd cpus |
| 21:33.22 | dvs | Make? |
| 21:33.32 | ben1066 | kevlarman: old atoms sure, the new ones are all 64 bit |
| 21:33.34 | Guest88163 | and no I'm not on deb atm |
| 21:33.45 | ben1066 | any type of linux? |
| 21:33.52 | Guest88163 | no :( |
| 21:33.55 | vice | ben1066: i have a very slow internet connection, but tomorrow i can use the universitys internet connectin which is much more faster.. should i download the 8 dvds tomorrow or is there another way except the netinstall? |
| 21:34.04 | mmnicolas | http://www.notebookcheck.net/AMD-C-60-Notebook-Processor.51806.0.html |
| 21:34.17 | mmnicolas | Codename: Ontario ... funny |
| 21:34.20 | ben1066 | vice: how slow is very slow? |
| 21:34.23 | Guest88163 | ty |
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| 21:34.59 | ben1066 | I have never actually used the full image personally.. |
| 21:35.01 | vice | 1000 kbit/s |
| 21:35.01 | simonlnu | vice: get both. if you have a fat pipe at your uni then use it. |
| 21:35.10 | dvs | vice: That's slow? |
| 21:35.17 | dvs | Well, relatively speaking. |
| 21:35.20 | ben1066 | 1000kbits? thats not slow :P thats alright... |
| 21:35.28 | Guest88163 | 64bit support??? |
| 21:35.31 | dvs | 1 Mbps |
| 21:35.51 | ben1066 | Guest88163: it says it has it |
| 21:35.51 | ben1066 | vice: that should be enough for the netinst... |
| 21:35.58 | dvs | vice: If it's a wired connection |
| 21:36.01 | simonlnu | you call that slow? really... |
| 21:36.16 | ben1066 | slow for me is below that tbh, here i get a solid 7mbit |
| 21:36.17 | dvs | puts simonlnu 300 baud modem back in the bag |
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| 21:36.40 | ben1066 | and when bt can be bothered, ill have a 40mbit fttc connection <3 |
| 21:37.53 | vice | yes, but 1 Mbit/s would take min. 2 hours.. 2 hours without a computer.. cant imagine :-) |
| 21:38.07 | simonlnu | um, don't bother with the dvds |
| 21:38.17 | ben1066 | vice: just do the netinst overnight |
| 21:38.24 | ben1066 | if you really care |
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| 21:38.34 | ben1066 | it installs a base system, then asks what you want on top |
| 21:38.37 | ben1066 | and dls everything then |
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| 21:39.14 | vice | i will give it a try tonight |
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| 21:39.44 | vice | thanks for helping me! |
| 21:39.59 | simonlnu | that's what this channel is for. yw |
| 21:40.00 | [vali] | hi |
| 21:40.06 | dvs | it is? |
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| 21:40.34 | simonlnu | pokes dvs |
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| 21:41.01 | simonlnu | pokes dvs for taking his 300 baud modem too |
| 21:41.11 | dvs | heh |
| 21:41.18 | simonlnu | :D |
| 21:41.32 | ben1066 | I wonder if I can even get adial up connection now... |
| 21:41.36 | ben1066 | I wanna try now :P |
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| 21:41.56 | simonlnu | my old isp did, as a backup system. |
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| 21:42.21 | ben1066 | im not certain currently...its certainly not sold anymore |
| 21:42.36 | [vali] | dialup are very rare nowadays... but it exists (some people will stare at you thinking ADSL is THE ONLY way to get internet) |
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| 21:43.19 | ben1066 | ill be using VSDL2 soon :D thatll prove them wrong :P |
| 21:43.26 | simonlnu | we have a dry loop line |
| 21:43.39 | ben1066 | I cant find any dial up details...I guess I cant |
| 21:43.58 | ben1066 | http://www.nippyinternet.co.uk/dial_up/index.html |
| 21:44.03 | ben1066 | I guess that would most likely work |
| 21:44.04 | Whiskey | How do i search for files in terminal whit exact match? |
| 21:44.10 | ben1066 | grep? |
| 21:44.10 | vice | dial up connections are nice for browsing the interner anonymously at phone booths :P |
| 21:44.23 | Whiskey | well |
| 21:44.24 | Whiskey | how? |
| 21:44.25 | Whiskey | i try |
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| 21:44.31 | Whiskey | find / | grep 'znc' <--- but it match like znc-src |
| 21:44.33 | ben1066 | i cant remember the exact command |
| 21:44.36 | Whiskey | thats not an exact match |
| 21:44.37 | ben1066 | !dkpg grep |
| 21:44.39 | dvs | Whiskey: You mean "How do i FIND files in terminal whit exact match?" ;-) |
| 21:44.53 | Whiskey | ;) |
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| 21:44.58 | ben1066 | so you actually want to find " znc " |
| 21:44.58 | ben1066 | ? |
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| 21:45.08 | ben1066 | not "znc" :P |
| 21:45.36 | [vali] | vice, too bad webmasters asume you have high bandwith :( |
| 21:46.19 | Whiskey | gives me nothing |
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| 21:47.02 | [vali] | Whiskey, find --name "znc" |
| 21:47.17 | dvs | almost |
| 21:47.30 | dvs | find . -name 'znc' |
| 21:47.32 | ben1066 | then again people who know how to use grep can help better :) |
| 21:47.41 | vice | [vali]: of course you would spend a lot of time.. better take a chair to the phonebooth |
| 21:48.04 | ben1066 | linux kernel compile not to net/sunrpc |
| 21:48.10 | ben1066 | still got a while yet :P |
| 21:48.30 | [vali] | dvs, oops, you are right, only one "-", but with double quotes you can use a regexp ;) |
| 21:48.44 | simonlnu | you can with signles too |
| 21:48.49 | simonlnu | singles* |
| 21:48.50 | Whiskey | it says name is unknown |
| 21:49.04 | simonlnu | -name, not --name |
| 21:49.12 | [vali] | simonlnu, with ' is literal, with " is an expression IIRC |
| 21:49.31 | simonlnu | in shell yes, but find doesn't care |
| 21:49.34 | Whiskey | got it |
| 21:49.40 | Whiskey | does it search over whole systen |
| 21:49.42 | Whiskey | or just home folder? |
| 21:49.52 | [vali] | folder and subfolders |
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| 21:49.59 | dvs | Whiskey: It starts the search at the directory you specify |
| 21:50.00 | simonlnu | it can. whatever the path you put |
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| 21:50.10 | [vali] | folders?.... directories !!! XD |
| 21:50.29 | simonlnu | . is PWD/CWD |
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| 21:51.17 | Whiskey | ok |
| 21:51.23 | Whiskey | to make it more complicated |
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| 21:51.30 | Whiskey | can i get it in terminal to return 0 or 1 for match / no match |
| 21:51.49 | simonlnu | it'l do that anyway |
| 21:51.51 | simonlnu | l |
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| 21:55.54 | ben1066 | holy fuck, the ocmpil...isnt ending, bitch :P |
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| 21:59.41 | ben1066 | after compiling a debian kernel, what's the correct way to install it |
| 21:59.46 | ben1066 | !dpkg custom kernel |
| 21:59.47 | dpkg | Read http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq5.html#Why and read "Debian" when it has "OpenBSD". Also ask me about <kernel-handbook>. |
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| 22:00.13 | simonlnu | no need for the "!dpkg" ! is already that bot in here. |
| 22:00.25 | ben1066 | ah k |
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| 22:00.46 | ben1066 | make |
| 22:00.48 | ben1066 | then make install |
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| 22:00.56 | ben1066 | should work? but im guessing thats the wrong way... |
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| 22:01.42 | Kamping_Kaiser | there is a make pkg-deb build target |
| 22:01.50 | simonlnu | no, that works, but usually we recommend using k-p |
| 22:02.00 | simonlnu | yeh, that too |
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| 22:02.16 | ben1066 | is there a guide? |
| 22:02.25 | Kamping_Kaiser | iirc the kenrel team point at pkg-deb for single use custom packages, but thats iirc (: |
| 22:02.38 | ben1066 | so what |
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| 22:02.42 | ben1066 | make pkg-deb |
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| 22:02.58 | simonlnu | type make help | less |
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| 22:03.15 | simonlnu | (it's near the top of that long help) |
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| 22:04.16 | rocketmagnet | hi all |
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| 22:05.15 | rocketmagnet | i've a short question: how does the automatic update does work ? i see no open port - does debian checks in a certain interval for updates so the port is only then open ? |
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| 22:16.37 | GJdan | anyone have an opinion to share about munin or reccomend a different program for its purpose? |
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| 22:16.52 | dondelelcaro | GJdan: munin is pretty good; it has issues when you scale beyond about a hundred hosts, though |
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| 22:22.49 | gnarface | my only problem with munin is it seems like you always have to hand-patch the mysql plugins to make them work right |
| 22:23.00 | gnarface | in general the extras package is of low quality |
| 22:23.09 | gnarface | once you get it working its pretty tight though |
| 22:23.37 | gnarface | it could do with some "out of the box" installation tweaking |
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| 22:31.27 | syslq | How can I spin down usb external drive |
| 22:32.16 | thewanderer1 | the same way as an internal drive - use hdparm |
| 22:32.57 | syslq | thewanderer1: thanks |
| 22:33.56 | syslq | It would be great if some daemon existed for that but I can roll my own I guess |
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| 22:37.17 | abrotman | syslq: like acpid maybe? not sure if that would help |
| 22:37.24 | abrotman | i guess that' smore for events? |
| 22:37.34 | syslq | abrotman: I'll check thanks |
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| 22:56.08 | y_morin | Hello! How can I run dpkg-reconfigure in non-interactive mode? |
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| 22:56.41 | abrotman | y_morin: DEBCONF_FRONTEND=noninteractive dpkg-reconfigure foo ... something like that |
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| 22:57.20 | y_morin | abrotman: it does not work, because I can't feed it the answers via stdin: echo "no" |dpkg-reconfigure dash -> does not work, still prompts. |
| 22:57.41 | Whiskey | Could not open display, check shell DISPLAY variable, and export or setenv it! <--- what does that mean |
| 22:58.05 | dvs | Whiskey: I means you're running it as root |
| 22:58.06 | abrotman | y_morin: debconf-set-selections ? |
| 22:58.18 | y_morin | abrotman: lemme look at that one. Thanks! |
| 22:58.23 | Whiskey | well actully i don´t |
| 22:58.31 | abrotman | you don't what? |
| 22:58.50 | Whiskey | run it as root |
| 22:59.09 | abrotman | run what? X or the program ? |
| 22:59.19 | Whiskey | you told me that i run it as root |
| 22:59.22 | abrotman | i didn't |
| 22:59.23 | Whiskey | u tell i don´t run it as root |
| 22:59.33 | dvs | Whiskey: is X running? |
| 22:59.40 | abrotman | gives the engrish student to dvs |
| 22:59.42 | Whiskey | dunno how do i check? |
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| 23:00.01 | Whiskey | no |
| 23:00.03 | Whiskey | x not running |
| 23:00.25 | dvs | Whiskey: That's the reason for the error message |
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| 23:00.47 | dvs | Whiskey: running an X program as root in a regular user session is another reason for the error message |
| 23:01.02 | abrotman | if X isn't running, how would you expect it to open the display? |
| 23:01.53 | y_morin | abrotman: I guess debconf-set-selections must be called before the actual installation, right? |
| 23:02.06 | abrotman | y_morin: well, if you call it after .. how would that work ? |
| 23:02.34 | Whiskey | ooo |
| 23:02.40 | Whiskey | so its need to be runned on a desktop then |
| 23:02.41 | y_morin | abrotman: then as dash is installed with the base system, I can not pre-set the answers... |
| 23:02.43 | Whiskey | and not in terminal |
| 23:03.07 | dvs | Whiskey: or a terminal in a desktop |
| 23:03.18 | abrotman | y_morin: you can, but it's done via a different method .. you left out that you were in the installer |
| 23:03.21 | Whiskey | yej |
| 23:03.23 | Whiskey | yeh |
| 23:04.28 | y_morin | abrotman: Ah, my bad. The base system is installed, no more. Then I feed it a list of packages to install with 'dpkg --set-selections' (using a pre-saved list). |
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| 23:05.28 | abrotman | y_morin: then you could have done it before that |
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| 23:05.48 | y_morin | abrotman: I'm handed-off a pre-installed machine (a VM), installed from a template, so I can't tweak the base-system install. |
| 23:06.02 | y_morin | (sorry for not being clear in the first place...) |
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| 23:07.36 | abrotman | y_morin: but you can use debconf-set-selections before you use the dpkg --set-selections ? |
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| 23:07.55 | gnarface | question: has anyone here successfully (or unsuccessfully) backported libssl1.0 (and dependencies) from wheezy to squeeze? if so, did it break anything conspicuous on install? i've got what appears to be good packages here but i'm scared to actually install them outside my vserver |
| 23:07.55 | a_j__c | trying to install squeeze/sid on my thinkpad t41. i get a bad signature on /tmp/net-retriever-1749-Release for sid |
| 23:08.03 | a_j__c | same signature error on squeeze |
| 23:08.09 | a_j__c | any thoughts? |
| 23:08.16 | y_morin | abrotman: yes, but the "use dash as /bin/sh' is a dash option, not a bash one. So as dash is already installed... :-( |
| 23:08.50 | y_morin | abrotman: but I'll try it shortly. Thank you for the hints! :-) |
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| 23:09.07 | abrotman | y_morin: it doesn't mean you can't feed the setting to keep from asking you again ? |
| 23:09.17 | abrotman | a_j__c: no such thing as squeeze/sid |
| 23:09.25 | a_j__c | abrotman: ive tried both |
| 23:09.32 | a_j__c | sid and squeeze |
| 23:09.34 | a_j__c | and get same error |
| 23:09.49 | abrotman | a_j__c: that error is somewhat vague? are you proxied? using an old installer? |
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| 23:10.06 | vice | i have got a problem: vice@aptosidbox:/media/Datalux$ cp blurays/ /media/truecrypt3/ |
| 23:10.06 | vice | cp: omitting directory `blurays/' |
| 23:10.20 | a_j__c | abrotman: no and no |
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| 23:10.32 | y_morin | abrotman: OK, lemme have a look and try it. Thank you for your time! :-) |
| 23:10.35 | a_j__c | net-retriever: cant check signature: public key not found |
| 23:10.46 | vice | what is the problem? are the directories to big? |
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| 23:10.56 | gnarface | a_j__c: sounds like a repo problem or an out-dated/broken installer image. have you verified your installer disk is current squeeze and that your repo is in good shape? http://mirror.debian.org/status.html (sometimes there is delirious behavior during updates) |
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| 23:11.10 | a_j__c | i've tried 20 repos gnarface |
| 23:11.11 | abrotman | a_j__c: are you using some weird mirror? always using the same mirror? |
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| 23:11.25 | a_j__c | abrotman: tried 20 different repos |
| 23:11.27 | a_j__c | all in US |
| 23:11.35 | abrotman | vice: you need the recursive option |
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| 23:11.46 | gnarface | a_j__c: or are you upgrading from something else? i've got that "can't check signature: public key not found" error just from not having the right debian-archive-keyring version installed |
| 23:12.01 | vice | thanks abrotman |
| 23:12.02 | a_j__c | nope, im installing it fresh |
| 23:12.17 | gnarface | a_j__c: show us the link you downloaded your installer image from |
| 23:12.46 | abrotman | also check the debug console for useful information |
| 23:12.57 | a_j__c | for sid I used: cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/i386/iso-cd/debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso |
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| 23:13.06 | a_j__c | abrotman: thats what I'm using to get these errors |
| 23:13.33 | gnarface | a_j__c: the sid installer isn't really expected to work. most seasoned debian users that aren't actually testing/working on the installer use the stable installer and upgrade from a base install |
| 23:13.49 | a_j__c | i get the same exact error with squeeze though |
| 23:14.01 | gnarface | a_j__c: show us the link you used to download the squeeze installer? |
| 23:14.16 | abrotman | okay, don't use the sid installer |
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| 23:14.27 | a_j__c | debian.cites.illinois.edu/pub/debian-cd/current/i386/iso-cd/debian-6.0.4-i386-netinst.iso |
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| 23:15.58 | abrotman | can't trust those flyover states! |
| 23:16.35 | gnarface | a_j__c: /me shrug ... just try http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.4/i386/iso-cd/debian-6.0.4-i386-netinst.iso and see if its better |
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| 23:16.52 | a_j__c | ok |
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| 23:18.26 | a_j__c | and btw, this all seems to work when I append 'suite=squeeze debian-installer/allow_unauthenticated=true" |
| 23:18.42 | gnarface | :-/ |
| 23:18.57 | a_j__c | that link doesn't work either |
| 23:19.07 | gnarface | a_j__c: the cause for the error and that known workaround are pretty clear. the fundamental problem here is that none of us have the same problem |
| 23:19.18 | gnarface | a_j__c: you shouldn't be either. also, how'd you download 180MB so fast? |
| 23:19.31 | a_j__c | i downloaded that image before using the illinois.edu link |
| 23:19.35 | gnarface | a_j__c: did you say you were behind a proxy? |
| 23:19.40 | a_j__c | nope |
| 23:19.49 | abrotman | a_j__c: so then use that .. sounds like sometihng is interfering with your connection |
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| 23:20.18 | gnarface | a_j__c: humor us and download the one from the link i provided you. see if it doesn't have a different md5sum |
| 23:20.26 | a_j__c | k |
| 23:20.53 | gnarface | a_j__c: and if not... then i got nothing man. sunspots maybe? or pebcak |
| 23:21.04 | a_j__c | probably pebcak |
| 23:21.05 | gnarface | er, pebkac |
| 23:21.06 | gnarface | yea |
| 23:21.12 | a_j__c | but it only happens with debian |
| 23:21.14 | a_j__c | arch install is fine |
| 23:21.25 | a_j__c | freebsd, openbsd, netbsd installs are fine |
| 23:21.44 | gnarface | is it a package you actually need at install time? |
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| 23:22.06 | gnarface | you could omit installation until after the system is bootable |
| 23:22.11 | a_j__c | it doesn't even download the package list |
| 23:22.19 | a_j__c | it gets no farther than that |
| 23:22.43 | gnarface | man... |
| 23:22.49 | gnarface | if not user error, then highly troubling |
| 23:23.08 | a_j__c | appending that dirty fix to the boot args works |
| 23:23.15 | a_j__c | at least its working at this point |
| 23:23.21 | gnarface | would be worried about man-in-the-middle attacks |
| 23:23.45 | a_j__c | as long as windows gets off of my laptop, I really don't care at this point |
| 23:23.46 | a_j__c | lol |
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| 23:25.21 | a_j__c | this just doesn't make sense anymore |
| 23:25.32 | a_j__c | my HDD isn't being detected |
| 23:25.34 | a_j__c | only my flash drive |
| 23:25.43 | y_morin | abrotman: the debconf-set-selections trick does not work: http://code.bulix.org/ex4u84-81216 <-- from a freshly installed Squeeze with only base-system + ssh server |
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| 23:26.56 | gnarface | a_j__c: a misbehaving "transparent" proxy that is caching files it *thinks* never changed would be something else i'd be supicious about too |
| 23:27.05 | gnarface | suspicious* |
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| 23:27.55 | gnarface | a_j__c: this type of overly-aggressive caching is common in large corporate networks run by windows people |
| 23:28.29 | gnarface | a_j__c: there's a common fallacy out there that everying on the net that appears cacheable is a jpeg or gif |
| 23:28.50 | a_j__c | soooooo what should I look for |
| 23:28.51 | a_j__c | lol |
| 23:29.13 | gnarface | a_j__c: since you say it *works* i won't advise that maybe your ram has started going bad |
| 23:29.22 | abrotman | y_morin: what if you do -fnoninteractive? and/or are you sure that's the right value to be feeding it ? |
| 23:29.50 | y_morin | abrotman: it's the right value: debconf-get-selections |grep dash <- on another machine |
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| 23:30.04 | y_morin | abrotman: just a sec for -f noninteractive... |
| 23:30.14 | a_j__c | i doubt my ram is going bad |
| 23:30.16 | y_morin | (need to restore the VM to known state...) |
| 23:30.21 | a_j__c | this laptop has new ram |
| 23:30.30 | a_j__c | windows never threw me any errors |
| 23:31.34 | abrotman | seems like it shuld work |
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| 23:31.52 | themill | y_morin: when you call dpkg-reconfigure, you're asking debconf to ask you all questions again |
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| 23:33.17 | y_morin | themill: so debconf-set-selections should be enough? |
| 23:33.34 | y_morin | abrotman: looks like not: http://code.bulix.org/pmb5lb-81217 |
| 23:33.49 | y_morin | (sorry, was for themill ^^^^) |
| 23:34.11 | themill | y_morin: debconf-set-selections and then try installing the package would be the way to test it out. (that's a bit harder to do for dash than the average package) |
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| 23:34.55 | y_morin | abrotman, themill: OK, it seems it worked after fiddling around with something... I'll re-restore the VM and start again... Just a sec... |
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| 23:37.27 | y_morin | abrotman, themill: Thank you both! It worked! :-) http://code.bulix.org/40fywz-81218 |
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| 23:52.19 | gesparza | hi al |
| 23:52.23 | gesparza | hi all* |
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| 23:52.41 | gesparza | Im having some problems with apt. "W: GPG error: http://http.us.debian.org stable Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY AED4B06F473041FA |
| 23:52.42 | gesparza | W: GPG error: http://security.debian.org stable/updates Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY AED4B06F473041FA |
| 23:52.42 | gesparza | W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems" |
| 23:52.49 | gesparza | any idea's? |
| 23:53.11 | dvs | !debian keyring |
| 23:53.14 | gnarface | gesparza: apt-get update && apt-get install debian-archive-keyring |
| 23:53.36 | gnarface | gesparza: actually just read what dvs said |
| 23:54.02 | dvs | didnt work though |
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| 23:55.30 | gesparza | No luck. I got this message "W: GPG error: http://http.us.debian.org stable Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY AED4B06F473041FA |
| 23:55.31 | gesparza | W: GPG error: http://security.debian.org stable/updates Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY AED4B06F473041FA |
| 23:55.31 | gesparza | W: Couldn't stat source package list http://non-us.debian.org stable/non-US/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/non-us.debian.org_debian-non-US_dists_stable_non-US_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) |
| 23:55.31 | gesparza | W: Couldn't stat source package list http://non-us.debian.org stable/non-US/contrib Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/non-us.debian.org_debian-non-US_dists_stable_non-US_contrib_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) |
| 23:55.31 | gesparza | W: Couldn't stat source package list http://non-us.debian.org stable/non-US/non-free Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/non-us.debian.org_debian-non-US_dists_stable_non-US_non-free_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) |
| 23:55.31 | *** kick/#debian [gesparza!~debhelper@unaffiliated/debhelper] by debhelper (use http://paste.debian.net or /msg dpkg paste) |
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| 23:56.00 | dvs | !next |
| 23:56.00 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
| 23:56.14 | *** join/#debian gesparza (~Gabe@laxnoc.alchemy.net) |
| 23:56.21 | gesparza | sorry about that |
| 23:56.34 | themill | gesparza: your sources.list has a lot of crap in it. |
| 23:56.41 | themill | !show sources.list gesparza |
| 23:56.41 | dpkg | gesparza: Please pastebin the contents of your /etc/apt/sources.list and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*.list. The easiest way to do this is to pastebin the output of: find /etc/apt/ -name '*.list' -printf "\n%p:\n" -exec cat {} \; |
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| 23:58.01 | LeLutin | hi |
| 23:58.20 | gesparza | Here it is paste.debian.net/159501. Thanks guys |
| 23:58.25 | gesparza | paste.debian.net/159501 |
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| 23:59.14 | LeLutin | I've created a cryptodisk with the debian installer, and I'm trying to make it decrypt only manually (e.g. not during boot) so that I can give it the password via SSH, but cryptdisks_stat gives a weird error.. |
| 23:59.18 | jbrks | anyone knows what module i should load for cpuscaling for an intel pentium 630? |
