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| 00:00.44 | themill | gesparza: get rid of the non-US line entirely. Change all mentions of "stable" to "squeeze". You may also want to include squeeze-updates in your sources.list |
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| 00:00.50 | themill | dpkg: tell gesparza about make squeeze sources.list |
| 00:01.45 | themill | gesparza: btw are you trying to update directly from etch to squeeze here? |
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| 00:03.21 | gesparza | im not sure. im try to get it to install packages that's all. i need sudo!! lol |
| 00:03.44 | dvs | You're not sure what version of Debian you're running? |
| 00:03.56 | gesparza | o sorry. One sec |
| 00:04.03 | gnarface | jbrks: i do NOT know but its likely to be 'speedstep' something or another |
| 00:04.11 | gesparza | 4.0 dvs |
| 00:04.21 | dvs | !beer themill |
| 00:04.21 | dpkg | pours a litre of Piraat for themill |
| 00:04.58 | themill | slurps happily |
| 00:05.00 | gesparza | thats one hell of a beer. When i come to beer belgian beer kicks ass |
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| 00:05.54 | themill | gesparza: you can't just mix different releases like that. etch hasn't had security support for over 2 years now... you really should be upgrading to lenny (2 years ago) and then squeeze (a month ago). |
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| 00:06.27 | nickwiscool | hi |
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| 00:06.36 | nickwiscool | i justed buyed debian from stores |
| 00:06.39 | nickwiscool | but it not work |
| 00:06.41 | gesparza | ok that makes sense |
| 00:07.03 | nickwiscool | it tells me that invalid hash |
| 00:07.11 | boudiccas | nickwiscool; what do you mean 'it does not work'? |
| 00:07.38 | themill | telling us what "it" is would be handy too |
| 00:08.04 | nickwiscool | debian hacke cmd |
| 00:08.17 | nickwiscool | i payed 200 and i expect it to work |
| 00:08.21 | dvs | nickwiscool: you bought a CD from a store that failed the hash check? |
| 00:08.22 | nickwiscool | or i will bring to court |
| 00:08.26 | abrotman | nickwiscool: which store did you buy it from ? |
| 00:08.39 | a_j__c | not sure if troll or stupid |
| 00:08.48 | abrotman | nickwiscool: which store? |
| 00:08.59 | dvs | nickwiscool: If it failed the media check then you should take it back. |
| 00:09.11 | nickwiscool | программного обеспечения верхнего паз - this is store i buyed from |
| 00:09.12 | Dulak | If you spend $200 for free software, I think it's obvious, a_j__c |
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| 00:09.40 | cornerse | what's going on? |
| 00:09.43 | boudiccas | !ru |
| 00:09.44 | dpkg | Это английскоговорящий канал, пожалуйста, говорите по-английски или посетите #debian-russian (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian) |
| 00:09.44 | a_j__c | Dulak: maybe because its superior to windows it should cost more? :P |
| 00:09.54 | Dulak | a_j__c: no argument there |
| 00:11.03 | gnarface | "*iscool" < troll name |
| 00:11.20 | abrotman | anyway .. go to #debian-offtopic if you want to talk about nick |
| 00:12.01 | Dulak | He's trolling #python now, oh joy. |
| 00:12.29 | abrotman | Dulak: see previous comment, thanks! |
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| 00:14.59 | andre_ | Hello, folks. I recently got a Galaxy Ace Smartphone (with Android Gingerbread), and have been thinking about installing debian (or another embedded distro) on it. I would like to know if it would be perfectly functional, if it would support multitouch, and if the app library for arm linux is as vast as it is for android. |
| 00:15.15 | abrotman | !tell andre_ about arm |
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| 00:16.47 | andre_ | so... it is deprecated... is there somewhere bettter for me ask about embedded linux? |
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| 00:16.52 | diverdude | is there a good place to learn how to build .deb packs? |
| 00:17.02 | gnarface | andre_: there's a #debian-arm channel somewhere |
| 00:17.20 | andre_ | gnarface: ok, tyvm. I'll ask them. |
| 00:17.22 | gnarface | andre_: its either here or on oftc |
| 00:17.39 | gnarface | andre_: it will require patience for a response... its a much lower traffic channel, fyi |
| 00:18.04 | gnarface | andre_: and i'm not saying that's right or even permanent. we all respect your balls-to-the-wall arch |
| 00:18.08 | andre_ | it is actually an invite-only channel. |
| 00:18.20 | gnarface | andre_: oh, that just means the real one is on oftc.net |
| 00:18.26 | abrotman | andre_: it's not deprecated at all |
| 00:18.31 | andre_ | ok, I'll try that. ty |
| 00:18.33 | gnarface | andre_: they make the placeholder here invite-only so that people don't confuse the two |
| 00:18.33 | abrotman | andre_: and it's on irc.oftc.net |
| 00:18.51 | abrotman | andre_: read everything the bot told you, not just the first two sentences |
| 00:18.58 | themill | the channel being on oftc is exactly what dpkg said, too... amazing what that bot knows |
| 00:19.00 | jbrks | This is my processor- http://ark.intel.com/products/spec/SR05S -- But i do not know what cpuscaling module i should load with it. Anyone has a link that can tell me? |
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| 00:20.08 | gnarface | jbrks: aren't there only two options? |
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| 00:21.41 | null- | What's the debian way to recompile an existing .deb? I want to modify its source and reinstall it |
| 00:22.03 | abrotman | null-: start with /msg dpkg source |
| 00:22.16 | abrotman | null-: follow the trail of factoids |
| 00:22.30 | null- | abrotman: thanks |
| 00:23.03 | themill | (that or 'package recompile') |
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| 00:23.33 | FDFlock | WHO THE HELLis the freakin@#$%@#% idio@#$@# who thought that asking for the root password (!!!) during printer configuration would be a good idea, even though the root account is passwordless?! And why a printer that's been working for months suddenly stops, even though there were no configuration changes? |
| 00:23.38 | FDFlock | Gnome of course, that's who! |
| 00:23.46 | FDFlock | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:24.16 | xuser | themill: yeah, the 'source' factoid mentions 'package recompile' |
| 00:24.18 | kevlarman | FDFlock: gnome doesn't ask for the root password, it asks for your password (sudoers) |
| 00:24.37 | null- | yes, it does |
| 00:24.45 | FDFlock | kevlarman: nope, you are totally wrong. Gnome knows better than you (and me) |
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| 00:25.05 | themill | xuser: yeah, it's one of those great cycles factoid x-refs |
| 00:25.18 | FDFlock | The guy who thought this abomination is totally braindead, I'm telling you |
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| 00:25.40 | themill | FDFlock: sounds like you need to configure gksudo properly. |
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| 00:25.52 | jbrks | gnarface, what options? |
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| 00:25.57 | abrotman | makes noises about the idio$@#@@# that still owns a printer :) |
| 00:26.18 | dvs | a dot matrix at that! |
| 00:26.28 | FDFlock | themill: sudo has been working perfectly for years, in a variety of Linux installations (Debian, Ubuntu, Gentoo and others) |
| 00:26.41 | gnarface | jbrks: weren't you asking which cpufreq module to use? i was under the impression that since you're using an intel chip the obvious answer is "not the AMD one" |
| 00:26.43 | themill | FDFlock: no. It sounds like you need to configure gksudo correctly. |
| 00:27.02 | FDFlock | abrotman: At least it's a decent laser printer with full postscript support :) |
| 00:27.03 | themill | dpkg: tell FDFlock about gksu |
| 00:28.01 | jbrks | gnarface, shutup man |
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| 00:28.04 | abrotman | FDFlock: what's a laser printer? |
| 00:28.10 | karsten | is amazed with what dog breeders are coming out with thiese days. |
| 00:28.18 | karsten | erm... nevermind. |
| 00:28.21 | abrotman | karsten: laser printers? |
| 00:28.35 | FDFlock | themill: Oh come on, Gnome is supposed to be easy to use, right? That's why it is so SIMPLE, right? (BTW, thank you.) |
| 00:28.40 | karsten | read "laser pointer" and was trying to make his usual nonsensical joke. |
| 00:28.49 | karsten | However this one was more non-sensical than usual. |
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| 00:29.25 | boudiccas | FDFlock; if you dont like gnome, then try kde |
| 00:29.34 | karsten | abrotman: and what've you got against printers anyway? *Somebody* has to kill trees. |
| 00:29.39 | themill | FDFlock: gnome cannot know whether you have sudo rights or whether it should use su or sudo to gain elevated privileges. If you don't know either, perhaps you should ask your local clueful admin to set things up for you. |
| 00:29.50 | abrotman | yeah, because he has no password for root, he should switch DEs, and still have th same problem |
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| 00:30.13 | abrotman | karsten: has to .. not wants to :) |
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| 00:30.23 | FDFlock | boudiccas: I do like Gnome, but each version becomes more and more braindead... oh sorry, I meant to write simplified |
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| 00:30.59 | FDFlock | themill: So after 7 years of Linux usage I'm still clueless... thanks, that's interesting |
| 00:31.24 | karsten | FDFlock: If you don't like Gnome, you can be my friend. |
| 00:31.25 | themill | FDFlock: well, you seem to think that gnome could know if you've set a root password or not... |
| 00:31.38 | FDFlock | And of course everything in the Linuxland is flawless |
| 00:31.38 | karsten | FDFlock: ... and I noticed GNOME's anti-elitism quite some years ago. |
| 00:31.42 | themill | and to reject the idea that you should have to configure things. |
| 00:32.04 | abrotman | karsten: you just have to be more elite .. not less .. |
| 00:32.11 | FDFlock | themill: parsing /etc/shadow is not difficult |
| 00:32.19 | FDFlock | Gnome could do it |
| 00:32.26 | themill | FDFlock: umm seriously. |
| 00:32.50 | karsten | considers '/backlog'ing this thread, but thinks better of it. |
| 00:32.51 | themill | At this stage, you should try digging up, not down. |
| 00:32.57 | abrotman | karsten: really .. don't |
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| 00:36.48 | scwizard | how do I disable the password protection of single user mode? |
| 00:37.04 | abrotman | use init=/bin/bash |
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| 00:37.25 | scwizard | thought there might be a slightly neater way, but sure I'll do that |
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| 00:38.59 | karsten | scwizard: That's like totally nifty and keen. |
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| 00:39.58 | davidandgoliath | have a question -- will keep it short: every time I touch my volume control knob my volume goes to 100%. gnome2. How can I reset the gnome keys so that it begins working again? |
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| 00:41.06 | davidandgoliath | (could also be pulseaudio / alsa / etc. related) |
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| 00:44.17 | FDFlock | themill: BTW, running "gconftool-2 -t bool -s /apps/gksu/sudo-mode 1" did not fix the problem, it still asks for the root password |
| 00:44.23 | nixfreak | where can I find the packages that are in the CD iso ? |
| 00:44.35 | nixfreak | I am looking for wicd |
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| 00:44.59 | themill | FDFlock: that's relevant to squeeze and gnome. Since you've not provided any details, I can't tell you if that's the right advice or not. |
| 00:45.01 | FDFlock | themill: and of course gksu[do] was already working fine |
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| 00:45.22 | nixfreak | even though the USB wireless adaptor is native in the kernel |
| 00:45.27 | FDFlock | themill: Squeeze here |
| 00:45.34 | themill | gksu would not be working fine if you'd not configured it to use gksudo mode |
| 00:45.51 | FDFlock | that's my guess as well |
| 00:46.07 | FDFlock | conclusion: probably a Gnome bug |
| 00:46.25 | FDFlock | And it *is* a usability bug, for sure |
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| 00:55.24 | Bromigo | Hello, is there a way to prevent Debian from installing its free Virtualbox guest tools when I am installing it in a VM? |
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| 00:57.58 | gnarface | Bromigo: yep |
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| 00:58.47 | gnarface | Bromigo: i don't really know what it is though, sorry |
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| 01:00.26 | FDFlock | I need to quickly boot a Windows VM with a Linux live CD (no GUI needed), to mount an ntfs partition... What's the smallest Live CD that can do that reliably, Debian or otherwise? Can netinstall (which I have handy) mount ntfs, when dropped to console? |
| 01:01.25 | nixfreak | slitaz is 100mb uncompressed with gui |
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| 01:02.07 | Blue1 | you are mounting an ntfs volume inside a vm? |
| 01:02.08 | gnarface | FDFlock: the debian livecd probably can do it. no idea about the netinstall, but only because its a non-free filesystem (debian installers tend *NOT* to contain anything patent-encumbered) |
| 01:02.45 | gnarface | FDFlock: Blue1 brings up an important point - do you actually need to boot windows? or just copy shit from the ntfs partition? the latter does not require the former |
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| 01:03.02 | FDFlock | gnarface: debian installers tend *NOT* to contain anything patent-encumbered --> rightly so |
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| 01:04.04 | FDFlock | gnarface: A Windows VM suddenly became unbootable, probably because NTFS got full, so I'll delete a few things |
| 01:04.08 | FDFlock | Blue1: yes |
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| 01:04.28 | FDFlock | nixfreak: In fact slitaz says ~35MB! downloading right now |
| 01:04.45 | Blue1 | FDFlock: i know of no way to access any volume in a vm outisde the vm. |
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| 01:05.48 | FDFlock | Blue1: I'll boot inside the VM, of course... but there IS a way: Convert virtual disk to plain "raw" image and mount the usual way, after setting up a loop device and using "kpartx" |
| 01:05.52 | FDFlock | ;) |
| 01:06.28 | Blue1 | FDFlock: okay that is somethng I have never tried - I am fam. with loop devices but only with iso's as such |
| 01:06.44 | klys | sirmaniac: hello again |
| 01:07.08 | FDFlock | Blue1: from the man page "kpartx - This tool, derived from util-linux' partx, reads partition tables on specified device and create device maps over partitions segments detected. It is called from hotplug upon device maps creation and deletion." |
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| 01:07.35 | yann__ | hello! I am working on my firewall and was wondering: is there any risk accepting everything in the FORWARD table? |
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| 01:08.13 | Blue1 | FDFlock: hmm new one I might have to try sometime - thanks |
| 01:08.39 | Blue1 | yann__: I normally disable to linux firewall but then I am behind a router |
| 01:09.18 | yann__ | Blue1, it's for a large cluster of machines with each one or several IP adresses, including some with memcache or redis ;) |
| 01:09.19 | somiaj | yann__: not explicity, but firewalls usually have more control over this because this is for safty of the machines behind the firewall. If there is nothing behind the firewall that can get exploited then there is no reason to be extra cautious. |
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| 01:09.37 | boudiccas | safty? |
| 01:09.41 | FDFlock | you're welcome, I thought it was very, very cool when I found it... prodecure: 1. raw image only 2. make loop device 3. use kpartx on said loop device |
| 01:09.52 | Blue1 | yann__: ahh I have nothing quite as exotic as that |
| 01:09.54 | yann__ | somiaj, well I am extra careful with what comes in and comes out, just I m unsure about what could be malicious in forward |
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| 01:10.27 | LordShiva | Anyone understand this dpkg error |
| 01:10.28 | boudiccas | nah, not 'safty' , must be /safety/ |
| 01:10.36 | diverdude | if i need to build and install a program from a manually downloaded source, then how can i ensure that the files are put in the right places? |
| 01:10.39 | Blue1 | heh |
| 01:10.41 | LordShiva | I cant remove package and cannot reinstall it |
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| 01:10.53 | LordShiva | bad inconsistent state |
| 01:10.53 | Blue1 | diverdude: svn? |
| 01:11.00 | somiaj | diverdude: how are you building (more importantlly installing) this source package? |
| 01:11.02 | LordShiva | error processing vpnc (--purge): |
| 01:11.02 | LordShiva | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:11.02 | LordShiva | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:11.10 | boudiccas | LordShiva; who says you cant remove it at a later date? |
| 01:11.16 | diverdude | somiaj: i am using the provided Makefile |
| 01:11.29 | FDFlock | diverdude: you can try "checkinstall", a utility in the Debiaan repos |
| 01:11.33 | somiaj | diverdude: if you are using a common 'make install' script, make sure things are installed in /usr/local (this way they wont' conflict with the debian packages at all) |
| 01:11.43 | nsadmin | LordShiva, and when you read that, exactly which part is unclear? |
| 01:11.47 | LordShiva | later date ? |
| 01:11.55 | Blue1 | diverdude: what somiaj said |
| 01:12.04 | LordShiva | part taht when I run install vpnc |
| 01:12.04 | somiaj | diverdude: most sources default. Alternativly you can build your own debian package and install the .deb with dpkg. (what package/program are you doing this for)? |
| 01:12.21 | LordShiva | apt-get install vpnc I get error |
| 01:12.27 | diverdude | somiaj: yeah ok....and will other programs that then are installed from the repo be able to make use of this program? (Its actually a lib) |
| 01:12.31 | themill | LordShiva: please put the command you gave and the entire output in a pastebin |
| 01:12.38 | somiaj | diverdude: you may also want to look into equivs (useful if you need to let dpkg you know you have this installed elsewhere for depends) and stow (a nice utility to help orginize multiple thigns installed in /usr/local from source this way) |
| 01:12.43 | nsadmin | is the .deb in /var/cache/apt/archives/? |
| 01:13.02 | FDFlock | diverdude: checkinstall won't always work, but when it does it ensures that the program can be completely uninstalled using apt/synaptic. just run "make checkinstall" instead of "make install" |
| 01:13.12 | FDFlock | after installing it of course |
| 01:13.12 | diverdude | somiaj: this is for libgphoto v. 2.4.13 |
| 01:13.26 | LordShiva | ok |
| 01:13.27 | somiaj | diverdude: is this an upstream source, or a version from sid you want to compile for squeeze? |
| 01:13.31 | somiaj | ,version libgphoto |
| 01:13.32 | judd | No package named 'libgphoto' was found in i386. |
| 01:13.33 | LordShiva | dpkg: warning: files list file for package `vpnc' missing, assuming package has no files currently installed. |
| 01:13.33 | LordShiva | (Reading database ... 360729 files and directories currently installed.) |
| 01:13.34 | dpkg | You are person #2 to send an unparseable request, LordShiva |
| 01:13.42 | themill | dpkg: tell LordShiva about pastebin |
| 01:13.58 | somiaj | diverdude: /msg dpkg equivs and /msg dpkg stow |
| 01:14.18 | somiaj | ,version libgphoto2-2 |
| 01:14.19 | judd | Package: libgphoto2-2 on i386 -- lenny: 2.4.1-3; squeeze: 2.4.6-3; sid: 2.4.13-2; wheezy: 2.4.13-2 |
| 01:14.44 | somiaj | diverdude: version 2.4.13 is in sid and wheezy. If you want to make this for squeeze a better approach is backports |
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| 01:14.57 | somiaj | diverdude: /msg dpkg ssbp (that will tell you how to make a custom .deb backport of that package) |
| 01:14.57 | FDFlock | diverdude: o perhaps it was just "checkinstall"... not sure, check the manpage |
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| 01:15.05 | somiaj | ,check-backport libgphoto2-2 |
| 01:15.07 | judd | Backporting package libgphoto2-2 in sid→squeeze/i386: all build-dependencies satisfied using squeeze, squeeze-backports, virtual. |
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| 01:15.08 | diverdude | Someguy123: what does that mean? |
| 01:15.22 | diverdude | somiaj: what does that mean? |
| 01:15.24 | Someguy123 | diverdude tab fail |
| 01:15.26 | Someguy123 | =_= |
| 01:15.30 | diverdude | sry |
| 01:15.36 | somiaj | diverdude: you should be able to backport that package just fine. I would suggest doing that as opposed to installing the libary in /usr/local with make install |
| 01:15.40 | nsadmin | LordShiva, is the .deb in /var/cache/apt/archives/? |
| 01:15.50 | somiaj | diverdude: what does what mean? type '/msg dpkg ssbp' into your irc client, read the notes |
| 01:15.55 | diverdude | somiaj: what does it mean to backport? |
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| 01:16.25 | somiaj | diverdude: it means to compile a newer version of software from testing/unstable against the libaries in squeeze so you don't have to worry about depends and can just install the new package |
| 01:16.40 | LordShiva | yeap and I tried to remove it and download new with apt-get |
| 01:16.47 | somiaj | diverdude: it is basically what you are doing. But instead of just complining and building the source, you additionally put the source into a .deb package you can install with dpkg -i |
| 01:17.05 | LordShiva | http://pastebin.com/2MdKkRY2 |
| 01:17.08 | somiaj | since the source you want is in debian testing, there is a nice way to automatic this process |
| 01:17.14 | nsadmin | LordShiva so the .deb IS present now in that dir? |
| 01:17.15 | LordShiva | there are two commands on paste |
| 01:17.19 | LordShiva | one for purge |
| 01:17.23 | LordShiva | and one for install |
| 01:17.23 | diverdude | somiaj: ahh ok yeah that would be nice...makes it easy to uninstall again |
| 01:17.31 | LordShiva | yes |
| 01:17.39 | nsadmin | ok, show the filename |
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| 01:17.59 | LordShiva | http://pastebin.com/2MdKkRY2 |
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| 01:19.14 | LordShiva | (/var/lib/dpkg/tmp.ci/postrm): Exec format error |
| 01:19.25 | nsadmin | not what I'm asking for |
| 01:19.35 | LordShiva | I think that line show format error |
| 01:19.39 | nsadmin | I want to see the exact name of the .deb file |
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| 01:20.05 | LordShiva | dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/vpnc_0.5.3r512-1_amd64.deb (--unpack): |
| 01:20.06 | dpkg | lordshiva: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin). |
| 01:20.07 | phorce1 | ok, getting ready to do a clean squeeze install after a motherboard swap. I copied /etc/ over to my /home drive so I *might* be able to avoid having to reconfigure a few things. Anything else I should save from the current / drive? |
| 01:20.15 | themill | !btssmite LordShiva |
| 01:20.16 | dpkg | beats LordShiva around the head repeatedly with http://bugs.debian.org/ and apt-listbugs, along with a chainsaw if LordShiva is running testing or unstable |
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| 01:20.51 | LordShiva | It cant unpack |
| 01:20.56 | LordShiva | it have format error |
| 01:21.10 | LordShiva | but problem is that I cant remove it either ... |
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| 01:21.25 | LordShiva | I will need to edit by hand some files probably |
| 01:21.36 | somiaj | diverdude: yes it is the prefered way to do what you are doing. If you have any questions ont he process let me know. That dpkg ssbp factioid is fairly complete |
| 01:21.44 | themill | !dbugs 663206 |
| 01:21.48 | gnarface | phorce1: there's some stuff in like /var/lib/cache or /var/cache i think if you're running slave dns servers and if you've source installed shit you'd want all of /usr/local too (maybe even if you didn't) |
| 01:21.49 | dpkg | DONE:#663206:G[vpnc] vpnc: does not install anymore - shebang missing from install scripts (); Fri, 09 Mar 2012 13:04:17 UTC [] |
| 01:22.17 | LordShiva | To add shebang ? |
| 01:22.31 | nsadmin | looks that way |
| 01:22.40 | themill | reading that bug would be instructive |
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| 01:22.58 | phorce1 | gnarface: already have /usr/local/ it's actually on my /home drive and symlinked to / |
| 01:23.08 | diverdude | somiaj: how about doin ./configure --prefix=/usr/local && make && checkinstall ? |
| 01:23.24 | phorce1 | desktop play machine so no super server stuff in oddball places |
| 01:24.03 | gnarface | phorce1: also mysql databases are in /var/lib i think but its recommended you back them up with mysqldump and if you're using ldap there's some command that's similar to mysqldump (i forget it exactly) that for similar reasons should be run even though backing up /etc should be in theory enough |
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| 01:24.30 | nsadmin | themill, could you add to judd dbugs the link to the full report? |
| 01:24.54 | themill | nsadmin: when I enable bugs in judd, I will do so. |
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| 01:25.12 | gnarface | phorce1: the output of dpkg --get-selections and debconf-get-selections may be useful to save too |
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| 01:25.20 | nsadmin | exellent :) |
| 01:25.21 | themill | nsadmin: (already done in git) |
| 01:25.53 | gnarface | phorce1: in many cases /home and /etc is enough |
| 01:26.46 | somiaj | diverdude: again this would require you set up equivs and though would work. I would suggest you actually build the package |
| 01:26.46 | nsadmin | what;s the "bugs" thing you'd enable? |
| 01:26.48 | phorce1 | gnarface: no /var/lib/mysql/ no ldap. /home is on it's own drive. /AV/ (media files) is another separate drive |
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| 01:26.55 | somiaj | !tell diverdude about ssbp |
| 01:27.00 | gnarface | phorce1: if you're hosting web pages they're in /var/www for example and probably contain tons of unpackaged files... only if you followed the rules though and only if you're hosting websites |
| 01:27.49 | phorce1 | gnarface: dpkg --get-selections would require that I be able to boot the system. It's something I should have done before pulling the drives |
| 01:27.51 | somiaj | diverdude: after you add the deb-src line for testing to your system run the commands it tells you to. apt-get build-dep libgphoto2 && apt-get -b source libgphoto2 && install the deb that is built |
| 01:28.10 | gnarface | phorce1: some packages website frameworks put important stuff in /usr/share but you *should* be able to get all that from the packages if you used them (again, assuming the rules were followed) |
| 01:28.42 | gnarface | phorce1: if you can mount the drives you can still chroot into them and run stuff if they aren't from a system incompatible with the current host system's kernel |
| 01:28.59 | phorce1 | gnarface: I always put websites on a separate drive, usually /home/www/ I try to keep everything except the *system* itself off of '/' |
| 01:29.10 | nsadmin | http://bugs.debian.org/663206 |
| 01:29.13 | gnarface | phorce1: not in theory a bad plan |
| 01:29.50 | phorce1 | gnarface: starting to kinda suck actually now that small drives are getting hard to find at a reasonable price |
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| 01:30.19 | gnarface | phorce1: virtual machines are your friend |
| 01:30.41 | gnarface | phorce1: also i hear lvm but i don't know fuck all about it |
| 01:31.03 | nsadmin | lvm is worth looking into |
| 01:31.41 | gnarface | has been able to get away with just being clever with partitions, but is aware its got a limited reach |
| 01:31.57 | FDFlock | phorce1: Wait, why would you use small drives instead of separate partitions of larger ones? |
| 01:32.20 | phorce1 | gnarface: no virtual for the "play" machine (with the GeForce 520 hdmi connected to a 32" 720p TV for watching video and playing DiabloII and the VGA connected to a 23" monitor) |
| 01:32.38 | FDFlock | phorce1: using separate drives means more parallel I/O, but small drive also tend to be (much) slower |
| 01:32.40 | gnarface | phorce1: you'd be surprised ... |
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| 01:33.32 | themill | LordShiva: can you paste the first line of the output of "dpkg --version" |
| 01:33.41 | phorce1 | FDFlock: I've lost *everything* before on a failed drive. Easier to recover from a single drive failure if everything is scattered. |
| 01:34.16 | gnarface | phorce1: i just take daily backups using an unholy chaining of sudo, ssh and bash |
| 01:34.27 | gnarface | phorce1: oh, and tar. must not forget tar |
| 01:34.42 | FDFlock | +1 for tar! |
| 01:35.00 | phorce1 | most of my non-server machines are toss-together boxes that I'm unwilling to spend $$ for hardware raid. And software raid is worse than no raid at all |
| 01:35.05 | zzing | Can anyone suggest a specific topic to read up on to understand how the debian package system works in such a way as to utilize it (the utilities and custom packages) on another system? (sort of how fink does it for mac) |
| 01:35.09 | gnarface | phorce1: in my world though clients overbuy on hard-drives so finding space for backups is admittedly easy |
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| 01:35.43 | FDFlock | phorce1: yes but many (small) drives also have higher probability of failure (eg. head crash) |
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| 01:35.45 | gnarface | phorce1: also i'd have to disagree on the software raid point... software raid in linux is the motherfucking gift of god |
| 01:36.01 | gnarface | phorce1: i shit you not. software raid is AMAZING |
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| 01:36.21 | phorce1 | gnarface: well, the 500GB /home stays pretty full. The 2TB /AV/ has about 75GB free right now |
| 01:37.06 | FDFlock | phorce1, gnarface: software raid is just fine, SERIOUS hardware raid (battery-backed cache, OS transparent etc.) is also fine, but "fakeraid" trully sucks |
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| 01:37.14 | gnarface | phorce1: unfortunately you i think still have to recompile your kernel and use non-dos (GPT?) partitions to get above 2TB. not easy with commodity hardware but at the point you have a 500GB /home partition one starts to wonder if all that data is worth it to you or not |
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| 01:37.52 | phorce1 | FDFlock: not many small drives. 1 small drive for / --- then the ... other ... drives |
| 01:38.04 | FDFlock | s/trully/truly/ |
| 01:38.33 | gnarface | has been known to mis-appropriate xraids |
| 01:38.44 | FDFlock | phorce1: Oh, I see... although there is no substitute for backup, anyway |
| 01:38.54 | FDFlock | phorce1: LVM could be perfect for you |
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| 01:40.10 | nsadmin | as I said, it;s worth looking into |
| 01:40.17 | LordShiva | themill, |
| 01:40.18 | LordShiva | Debian `dpkg' package management program version 1.15.8.11 (amd64). |
| 01:41.26 | themill | LordShiva: why are you mixing 3-months-out-of-date squeeze with wheezy? |
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| 01:42.29 | LordShiva | uh i didnt update dpkg ... |
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| 01:43.07 | themill | indeed. You've got a slightly out of date dpkg from squeeze and you're trying to install vpnc from wheezy |
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| 01:43.54 | LordShiva | ok that is bug still I have same status 2 exit Exec format error |
| 01:44.06 | gnarface | i successfully backported libev4, stud, and libssl1.0 and all other dependencies including "multilib-support" from wheezy to stud |
| 01:44.20 | dvs | stud? |
| 01:44.25 | FDFlock | nsadmin: If you have any experience: Can the mirroring options of LVM be used instead of another RAID layer? Seems more flexible (mirroring only certain logical volumes on separate physical drives) |
| 01:44.35 | gnarface | now i've got these apparently working packages but i'm afraid to install them outside my vserver cause it can't possibly have been that easy |
| 01:44.48 | gnarface | dvs: its a multi-core optimized replacement for stunnel |
| 01:44.54 | dvs | oh |
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| 01:45.28 | gnarface | dvs: working on trying to efficiently terminate HTTPS authentication for a larger cluster of webservers |
| 01:45.37 | themill | LordShiva: sure there's a bug here. Solving it is going to be difficult, especially when we can't get you to focus on anything. What version of debian do you think you're running? Why do you have packages from more than one release installed? |
| 01:45.44 | nsadmin | well I don't have experience with multiple drives and lvm... my feeling is, only use it on a single drive or on top of real, hardware, raid |
| 01:45.45 | gnarface | dvs: this was all in an attempt to get stud in wheezy |
| 01:45.59 | gnarface | dvs: er, i mean stud in squeeze (its *IN* wheezy) |
| 01:46.26 | LordShiva | ok I succeeded |
| 01:46.35 | gnarface | dvs: but i hesitate at the last gate. installing "multilib-support" in squeeze has me frightened |
| 01:46.39 | dvs | gnarface: as a backport? |
| 01:46.48 | LordShiva | with new dpkg |
| 01:46.58 | FDFlock | nsadmin: Thank you. My thought was using (pure) software RAID and LVM, or LVM by itself |
| 01:47.01 | gnarface | dvs: oh yea, and wheezy's dpkg was also a requirement |
| 01:47.07 | nsadmin | LordShiva, don't mix debian versions |
| 01:47.37 | gnarface | dvs: yea, as a backport... basically just following the dpkg bot's instructions for "simple sid backport" but using the wheezy sources instead (maybe unecessarily/unwisely) |
| 01:47.48 | FDFlock | by "pure" software RAId means no fakeRAID |
| 01:48.25 | gnarface | dvs: as i said, all dependencies after tracing did in fact all build what appear to be working, installable squeeze packages from the source packages in wheezy. yet... it can't have been that easy right? there's gotta be horrible things likely to happen when i actually use these packages, right? |
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| 01:49.34 | dvs | gnarface: It depends how many and how complex the packages that have to be backported? |
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| 01:50.09 | gnarface | dvs: well there were only around a dozen total, but stuff like libssl1.0 and multilib-support scare me because i'd heard rumors there was a good reason these weren't already in squeeze |
| 01:50.32 | dvs | heh. That'll do it. |
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| 01:53.43 | gnarface | dvs: it also is a non-zero concern that one of the developers previously tried a similar upgrade to something entirely ELSE that required libssl1.0 and though he expectedly broke it because he's incompetent as a sysadmin and twice as much so as a debian one, i still to this day can't figure out why LDAP no longer works on that box |
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| 01:54.18 | gnarface | dvs: yes all my client's developers have root on all the boxes. that's a completely different problem all of its own |
| 01:54.33 | gnarface | 's job mostly consists of wiping asses |
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| 01:55.56 | dvs | gnarface: Ouch. And there's no other box to test on? |
| 01:56.22 | gnarface | dvs: oh there IS and here's where it gets awesomer. it works perfectly on my test vserver on said "other box" |
| 01:56.38 | gnarface | dvs: somehow this merely makes me twice as paranoid |
| 01:56.38 | dvs | heh |
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| 01:57.09 | gnarface | i'm just trying to avoid midnight trips to the colo |
| 01:57.19 | gnarface | the data center monkeys there think *i'm* the monkey |
| 01:57.36 | gnarface | should learn ipmi first so he can remotely re-image boxes at will |
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| 01:58.04 | gnarface | might still be a monkey |
| 01:58.31 | dvs | the others should go to the colo |
| 01:58.38 | gnarface | heh |
| 01:58.55 | gnarface | they should but its cost-prohibitive as i'm the only one within 2000 miles of it |
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| 01:59.12 | gnarface | also none of them can be trusted not to make it worse |
| 01:59.18 | dvs | 2000 miles???? |
| 01:59.27 | gnarface | i'd blink my eyes and there'd be ubuntu packages installed in prod on squeeze |
| 01:59.47 | gnarface | well i'm within 5, but yea that puts me at a logistical advantage there |
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| 02:00.41 | gnarface | the bugs i can't fix without a fresh re-install or recreate on my own fresh install are the ones that scare me the most |
| 02:01.13 | gnarface | suspects foul play or at least criminal negligence but obviously isn't in a place to point fingers without hard evidence |
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| 02:01.51 | gnarface | politics, eh? |
| 02:01.54 | dvs | quick! to the ssh logs! |
| 02:01.56 | gnarface | reads more about ipmi |
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| 02:02.06 | gnarface | yea too late for that |
| 02:02.08 | gnarface | but next time |
| 02:02.10 | gnarface | next time |
| 02:02.28 | gnarface | will be doing daily backups of all of /var/log from now on |
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| 02:03.21 | nkuttler | gnarface: welcome to the club |
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| 02:04.43 | gnarface | briefly considers minutely snapshots of /home/*/.bash_history and /root/.bash_history |
| 02:04.55 | karsten | gnarface: remote consoel FTW. IPMI is actually reasonably sane these days. |
| 02:05.00 | abrotman | you could use audit instead ? |
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| 02:05.13 | gnarface | abrotman: is audit a package? |
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| 02:05.25 | gnarface | abrotman: last time i asked about this type of thing someone pointed me to 'cruft' |
| 02:05.53 | abrotman | cruft is to remove files that don't belong to packages |
| 02:06.00 | karsten | gnarface: What's the problem you're trying to solve here? |
| 02:06.06 | gnarface | karsten: i've got a bunch of supermicro boards in this cluster. i've heard historically they had (unspecified) IMPI dangers - anything on that? |
| 02:06.20 | karsten | gnarface: ... and a remote syslog would alert you to, say, rogue devs going root. |
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| 02:07.11 | karsten | gnarface: No idea. I've got a recent box based on supermicro. It's got a serial-over-LAN card, and supports remote disk images over CIFS/Samba or (for floppy images) as a file upload. |
| 02:07.19 | abrotman | yeah, backing up /var/log/ is nice and all, but a remote syslog is probably more ideal |
| 02:07.32 | karsten | gnarface: Or you could set up a bootp server and PXEboot when you need to refresh. |
| 02:07.41 | gnarface | karsten: the exact problem - someone who shouldn't have had root access on one of the boxes was given it, no-holds-barred simply due to tenure, without sufficient rank or experience... he got his shit working but at the cost of LDAP breaking, and force-reinstall of all supposed dependencies doens't seem to fix it. |
| 02:08.16 | abrotman | gnarface: do you have a useful error, or "doesn't work" ? |
| 02:08.26 | karsten | That would generally be a management problem. |
| 02:08.27 | gnarface | abrotman: yea, noted. also probably lighter on IO... about that 'audit' thing... is that a tool in the package? |
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| 02:08.33 | gnarface | karsten: heh, no shit |
| 02:08.39 | abrotman | !tell gnarface about audit |
| 02:08.44 | gnarface | thanks abrotman |
| 02:08.48 | abrotman | gnarface: is this ldap+radius? |
| 02:09.00 | gnarface | abrotman: no just openldap with nslcd/nscd |
| 02:09.04 | gnarface | abrotman: basic pam auth |
| 02:09.05 | abrotman | +pam obviously ? |
| 02:09.07 | gnarface | abramart: yea |
| 02:09.09 | gnarface | abrotman: yea |
| 02:09.13 | abrotman | poor abramart |
| 02:09.21 | karsten | gnarface: How'd he install whatever he installed? |
| 02:09.36 | gnarface | karsten: apparently by source, from upstream packages :( |
| 02:09.41 | abrotman | smart fella |
| 02:09.42 | karsten | gnarface: does he have root shell or did this at least get logged via sudo? There's root's shell history. |
| 02:09.45 | karsten | Ah. |
| 02:10.04 | karsten | Inventory system. Save config state. Reimage. |
| 02:10.07 | gnarface | karsten: oh he was provided the root password specifically against my advice (i'm not an employee, i'm just "the help") |
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| 02:10.30 | karsten | Or hand the box to the guy and get another one to run the site (or whatever it is the box does) on. |
| 02:10.44 | karsten | gnarface: Well, what are your options? |
| 02:11.35 | gnarface | karsten: unless i can specifically run a program to show what files need to be edited/replaced/removed... my only option is to wait till they make their next build and try it on one of the 6 spare servers so i can re-image this one without it taking down prod |
| 02:11.54 | karsten | virtualbox FTW. |
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| 02:12.39 | gnarface | karsten: my first advice was forcing them to try it in vservers first... this fubar granted that going forward, but the one he broke is still not allowed to be re-imaged because prod requires it "as is" |
| 02:13.03 | karsten | ... or rather, "as was". |
| 02:13.06 | gnarface | yea.... an inventory system up front would have been a plan |
| 02:13.11 | gnarface | there wasn't time back then |
| 02:13.22 | gnarface | now i'm circling back while there is trying to clean up a path of distruction |
| 02:13.26 | gnarface | *destruction |
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| 02:14.04 | karsten | Well, audit looks useful. There's debsums. |
| 02:14.20 | abrotman | gnarface: and/or something like chef/puppet |
| 02:14.26 | karsten | You should be able to find source trees under /usr (or other Debian-managed space) pretty easily. |
| 02:14.31 | abrotman | gnarface: anyway .. is anything in /usr/local/ normally used ? |
| 02:14.33 | karsten | I was also going to suggest che/f/puppet. |
| 02:14.50 | karsten | And/or AWS for dev/testing, if not prod. |
| 02:14.58 | abrotman | admittedly, chef/puppet won't help if a system lib is preempted by junk in /u/l |
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| 02:16.45 | karsten | abrotman: But you can check for that ein environment. Someone's got to set LD_PRELOAD_CONFIG or similar. |
| 02:16.53 | karsten | man 8 ld.so |
| 02:17.05 | abrotman | yeah, i know |
| 02:17.14 | abrotman | gnarface: used strace/ltrace much ? |
| 02:18.33 | gnarface | abrotman: i know what they're for, but i'm not good enough with C/C++ to do much with what the output tells me really, unless the problem is access to non-code content (graphics files, etc) |
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| 02:19.19 | karsten | gnarface: It'll often point you at a specific library that's b0rkned. |
| 02:19.24 | gnarface | noted |
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| 02:19.56 | gnarface | part of the problem is there's a huge bunch of proprietary non-debian stuff they build into /usr/local using bleeding-edge ejabberd/erlang and *.beam shit |
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| 02:20.12 | gnarface | it all seems to be created with malicious contempt against sane, stable library versions |
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| 02:20.20 | karsten | What are the parameters of what works and/or what doesn't? |
| 02:20.31 | karsten | And unfortunately, what you're describing is all too common in the real worl.d |
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| 02:21.47 | karsten | Divide and conquor. Figure out what works, what doesn't, what's Debian, what's not, what if anything under Debian's file hierarchy has been mangled. |
| 02:21.59 | karsten | Remember that most errors have a single root cause. |
| 02:22.05 | gnarface | heh, yea, noted |
| 02:22.24 | gnarface | knows the "root" cause's name and uid, just doesn't have the authority to fire him |
| 02:22.57 | karsten | A big part of ssues like this is to identify where procedures have failed. |
| 02:23.12 | karsten | The whole DevOps puppet/chef movement is about getting procedures ironed out. |
| 02:23.31 | karsten | And as I said: what are your options. Last I checked, there's gigs for Debian admins in LAX. |
| 02:23.33 | abrotman | is going through puppet pains at work now |
| 02:23.49 | karsten | feels abrotman's pains, but our are chefish. |
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| 02:24.18 | abrotman | karsten: i'm only mad we didn't go with chef because i'd rather call them recipes instead of manifests |
| 02:24.42 | karsten | abrotman: Well, taking a knife to your servers also has a certain appeal. |
| 02:25.06 | abrotman | hehe |
| 02:25.28 | abrotman | karsten: after watching Being John Malkovich the other night, i'm ok with being a puppeteer :) |
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| 02:26.22 | ^tiNee^ | can anyone help i upgraded to wheezy and now i cant paste using the left and right mouse click |
| 02:26.25 | Whiskey | sudo apt-get remove --purge && autoremove build-essential |
| 02:26.35 | abrotman | Whiskey: fail |
| 02:26.55 | abrotman | ^tiNee^: is the xorg package installed? |
| 02:27.08 | ^tiNee^ | i was using smxi i remember seeing it |
| 02:28.11 | gnarface | abrotman, karsten thanks for the tips |
| 02:28.14 | Whiskey | == |
| 02:28.18 | Whiskey | ?? |
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| 02:29.11 | slidesinger | Laptop running squeeze has both a vga and an svideo out. Connecting up to a projector or tv. So far the only thing I've been able to do is to cold boot after making the physical connections. Googling for svideo out laptop debian gets a lot of myth tv notes about capture, but nothing about how to control this. I'd have thought this would be an faq, but I guess not. Suggestions? |
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| 02:30.06 | Kamping_Kaiser | slidesinger: video chipset? |
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| 02:30.20 | karsten | gnarface: Good luck. |
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| 02:30.34 | karsten | ^tiNee^: That's a low-level xorg feature. |
| 02:30.44 | karsten | ^tiNee^: I'd start looking for X errors fo some sort. |
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| 02:30.58 | ^tiNee^ | karsten: any ideas? |
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| 02:35.27 | justjealouse | is anyone familiar with asus bios updates? |
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| 02:35.44 | justjealouse | now that i have debian its tricky to update |
| 02:35.53 | gnarface | justjealouse: i am i am! |
| 02:36.11 | karsten | ^tiNee^: grep '^(II)' /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 02:36.21 | dvs | justjealouse: There is an option to update the BIOS in the BIOS itself. |
| 02:36.56 | gnarface | justjealouse: its not hard you can get dos boot disk images for free and just mount them and add your unpackaged firmware to them but for any relatively new asus board its far less well documented but there is a built-in firmware updater that can read your USB keys just as easily as floppies |
| 02:37.03 | karsten | ^tiNee^: If you look at the top of the file, it tells you what other codes mean as well. |
| 02:37.17 | justjealouse | gnarface: all the tutorials using ezflash say the file you should download has name.ROM where as update to bios 209 has the format name.number |
| 02:37.18 | gnarface | justjealouse: yea what dvs said - update the bios from the bios itself using a usb key |
| 02:37.40 | justjealouse | the tuts say, put the file you get off the website to a fat32 usb |
| 02:37.45 | ^tiNee^ | karsten: i got nothing |
| 02:37.52 | gnarface | justjealouse: their documentation sucks. also if they give you a .exe instead of a .zip you can use cabextract to get the files out usually |
| 02:38.03 | justjealouse | I have a .zip |
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| 02:38.20 | karsten | ^tiNee^: Can't hang around to help, but pastebin the output and either ask here or in the xorg support channel. |
| 02:38.27 | karlpinc | gnarface: I seem to recall a linux bios updating tool, or I recall that one was supposed to exist. |
| 02:38.29 | dvs | justjealouse: Unzip the .zip and put the .bin file on a USB |
| 02:38.42 | ^tiNee^ | got no errors =/ |
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| 02:38.56 | justjealouse | dvs there is no .bin file |
| 02:39.05 | gnarface | karlpinc: never heard of it, for asus boards, at least, but i never needed it or windows |
| 02:39.11 | justjealouse | this is the link, if you can take the time to look at the zip http://support.asus.com/download.aspx?SLanguage=en&p=3&s=124&m=M70Vm&os=&hashedid=f6SgMStRwNFH7IUP |
| 02:39.24 | justjealouse | it takes about 1 second to download |
| 02:39.50 | karlpinc | gnarface: You can get dos boot disk images for free? That does not sound right, unless we're talking freedos. Or anyway it does not sound legal. |
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| 02:40.30 | karsten | karlpinc: freedos is the way to fly. |
| 02:40.49 | karsten | karlpinc: a bunch of vendors are now using it themselves. |
| 02:41.06 | dvs | justjealouse: I can't download it on Ephiphany |
| 02:41.07 | gnarface | karlpinc: i'm sure its probably a huge patent violation actually that's why i use the asus bios's built-in ezflash feature with a usb key these days, but yea http://bootdisk.com/ isn't being called down by anyone these days. they've been (probably illegally) redistributing the dos/windows9x boot disk images for years now |
| 02:41.25 | gnarface | karlpinc: microsoft probably loves them for it |
| 02:41.33 | karlpinc | karsten: I _think_ I've used freedos for bios updating before. But maybe not. I've a few legal copies of dos 6 still on floppy. |
| 02:41.34 | justjealouse | dvs i download just fine |
| 02:41.43 | justjealouse | its not a dl link, its a link to the dl page -_- |
| 02:41.59 | karlpinc | gnarface: I'm sure. |
| 02:42.03 | slidesinger | Kamping_Kaiser: Sorry about that, something came up over here. Intel 915GM |
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| 02:42.20 | justjealouse | can someone help me understand this stuff? |
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| 02:42.32 | justjealouse | the ending for the file should be .ROM but its not |
| 02:42.45 | dvs | justjealouse: i select an OS but nothing comes up. No download button. |
| 02:43.14 | gnarface | karlpinc: also, its a pretty grey area but i think that if you do or ever did own a legal windows copy of *anything* and you didn't sell it to someone else (merely lost it or whatever) you're legally allowed to have a dos/win9x boot disk according to even their pretty restrictive licensing terms |
| 02:43.22 | Kamping_Kaiser | slidesinger: dont know much about them sorry |
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| 02:44.22 | karlpinc | justjealouse: I used wget to get the url, but just got a html page. |
| 02:44.23 | gnarface | justjealouse: ignore it if there is a .BIN one of the right size instead |
| 02:44.37 | abrotman | slidesinger: and hitting the output button and/or using xrandr, doesn't help ? |
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| 02:45.37 | justjealouse | oh dvs i think the use flash to show the dl link ... here ill dropbox it |
| 02:45.40 | justjealouse | http://www.2shared.com/file/fyF27pK-/m70vAS.html |
| 02:45.46 | slidesinger | abrotman: The output button does not help. I will google xrandr as I did not hear of that. |
| 02:45.49 | gnarface | justjealouse: for that matter, put ALL the files in there on the usb key - ezflash will probably cleanly pick up the right one, or if not just try the largest one that looks like a binary file - ezflash seems pretty dangerous but i think it'll warn you before it trys to flash the README file onto your firmware as a rom... although... that advice comes without a warranty so , be careful |
| 02:46.06 | justjealouse | gnarface: thats the only file the bios update link gives me |
| 02:46.18 | slidesinger | abrotman Kamping_Kaiser Thanks for the help. |
| 02:48.00 | Kamping_Kaiser | yw, gl |
| 02:48.14 | justjealouse | its a mystery lol |
| 02:48.25 | Whiskey | `echo DD | awk '{print tolower($0)}'` <-- what wrong here |
| 02:49.12 | abrotman | Whiskey: ask #bash |
| 02:49.34 | abrotman | and you probably want $1 |
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| 02:50.16 | gnarface | justjealouse: ok do me a favor. 1) get in irc on some computer NOT the one you're bios flashing 2) pastebin the entire file list from the contents of whatever zip file they gave you on asus's website |
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| 02:50.34 | gnarface | justjealouse: come into #debian-offtopic because this is not a debian issue |
| 02:50.47 | karlpinc | Whiskey: works for me. |
| 02:50.57 | justjealouse | gnarface this is only irc computer available atm |
| 02:51.47 | Dulak | You don't flash the bios on your only internet computer if you don't know how to flash the bios |
| 02:52.14 | abrotman | anyone think to ask why he's flashing the bios ? |
| 02:52.19 | Whiskey | strange not for me |
| 02:52.32 | mmnicolas | You don't flash the bios if you're not having an issue with something |
| 02:52.32 | Whiskey | i get command not found |
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| 02:52.51 | karlpinc | Whiskey: What command? |
| 02:52.57 | slidesinger | Found out what it is. The two screens are both active, but the projector does not support the default output resolution. |
| 02:53.00 | justjealouse | for future if you cant help please dont make smart remarks |
| 02:53.06 | abrotman | slidesinger: goofy projector! |
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| 02:53.57 | justjealouse | Dulak, I dont have an IRC CLIENT on a different computer, i do not want to install it just for this, mmnicolas, I am having an issue with my fan, I need the latests bios new fan options |
| 02:54.00 | slidesinger | 848x480 is the highest resolution and the laptop is at 1024x768 by default. |
| 02:57.24 | mmnicolas | justjealouse: Use ez flash, from the bios, that's it |
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| 02:58.19 | slidesinger | abrotman: Thanks again. That really is quite simple. The hard part was figuring out I needed xrandr. Thanks again. |
| 02:58.20 | mmnicolas | since you don't want to get to get on irc on another PC, if you have any issue you will have to reboot and come back here, that is, if your pc still boots |
| 02:58.34 | abrotman | slidesinger: enjoy |
| 02:58.53 | mmnicolas | justjealouse: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkUb7qglfIY |
| 02:59.02 | slidesinger | abrotman: Beats a cold boot any day. |
| 02:59.20 | abrotman | heh |
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| 03:00.44 | Coded1 | is there a single card that will do triple head in linux? |
| 03:01.12 | abrotman | Coded1: does it have to do newer 3d stuff? or just basic 3d and great 2d? |
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| 03:01.35 | Coded1 | abrotman: basic, smooth youtube video would be a plus |
| 03:01.48 | abrotman | Coded1: I can't believe I'm going to say this .. Matrox |
| 03:01.50 | Coded1 | don't need compiz or any eye candy |
| 03:02.02 | abrotman | Coded1: look for the old G4xx series if you can find a triple head IIRC |
| 03:02.15 | abrotman | i can't recall if the parhelia works well on linux or not |
| 03:02.22 | Coded1 | is it that bad with Nvidia? |
| 03:02.29 | abrotman | Coded1: and nvidia probably sells them as well |
| 03:02.40 | abrotman | seems to recall that matrox sells octo-head cards |
| 03:02.53 | nevyn | as do nvidia and radeon |
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| 03:03.10 | nevyn | there's quad head cards about but you're talking workstation stuff not desktop |
| 03:03.11 | Coded1 | nevyn: I have hard feelings with radeon |
| 03:03.14 | Coded1 | :P |
| 03:03.22 | abrotman | okay, well, those are your options |
| 03:03.40 | Coded1 | abrotman: true, has it gotten much better? |
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| 03:03.42 | abrotman | Coded1: also, there is the option to buy three individual cards and use them on a single X server |
| 03:03.48 | FDFlock | abrotman: wow, is Matrox still alive? And do their (very good) analog circuits matter in this age of DVI and HDMI? Even for 2D there's probably no advantage, and you might lose good Linux support |
| 03:03.48 | nevyn | ie a video card that costs the same as the rest of the system |
| 03:03.54 | abrotman | Coded1: don't ask me .. i buy intel |
| 03:03.58 | abrotman | FDFlock: yes, they are |
| 03:04.16 | abrotman | FDFlock: and i haven't used one since the G4xx days .. so i can't answer how good they are anymore |
| 03:04.19 | abrotman | or how well supported |
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| 03:05.06 | FDFlock | that's what I'm afraid, that the Linux drivers wouldn't be well-maintained, if thy exist at all |
| 03:05.11 | FDFlock | *they |
| 03:05.23 | FDFlock | but it's probably supported by Xorg? |
| 03:05.28 | FDFlock | oh well |
| 03:05.36 | FDFlock | doesn't really care |
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| 03:05.55 | justjealouse | gnarface didnt work, im just gonna forget about this for today |
| 03:05.56 | abrotman | FDFlock: probably, i really don't know anymore |
| 03:06.30 | hemimaniac | actually contrary to popular belief Matrox is aleader in linux driver support, they have stuff that isnt supported past XP, but they got stuff supported to the newest mainstream kernel |
| 03:06.50 | abrotman | thinks someone has a matrox highlight :) |
| 03:06.55 | gnarface | justjealouse: well lucky you not bricking the system. what'd it do, refuse the file? you're sure its the right one for that board and you havent |
| 03:07.06 | gnarface | justjealouse: ...already installed it, right? |
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| 03:07.58 | hemimaniac | surprisingly no, abrotman , just passing thru |
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| 03:08.41 | datruth | im having an issue installing debian and I am getting exactly this http://pastebin.com/9jLHniMw anyone know what could cause this? |
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| 03:13.06 | mmnicolas | datruth: testing or stable ? |
| 03:13.22 | meLon | I am trying to set my gnome-terminal's window class using --class="gnome-terminal-WHATEVER" flag and it doesn't seem to be having an effect. I am trying to change the window class of a single terminal application so that I can define it's looks/behavior using cairo-dock/compiz. Any words? |
| 03:13.33 | nsadmin | at what exact point do you get that? |
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| 03:15.53 | mmnicolas | Apparently this is an issue with the country code |
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| 03:17.04 | datruth | mmnicolas: not sure what you mean |
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| 03:17.59 | datruth | mmnicolas: how can i fix my country code? |
| 03:18.23 | nsadmin | datruth, what exactly did you download to start? if a file. its exact name |
| 03:18.49 | datruth | nsadmin: all I did was apt-get install ssl-cert |
| 03:18.54 | datruth | and I get that error |
| 03:19.29 | mmnicolas | that's probably not it, just that every occurence of this issue I find is related to country code, but they also have maxsize=2, which makes sense, but in your case, the max_size=64 seems to be maxed out |
| 03:19.39 | nsadmin | "<datruth> im having an issue installing debian and I am getting exactly this http://pastebin.com/9jLHniMw anyone know what could cause this?" |
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| 03:20.00 | nsadmin | so you are installing debian. what version? how exactly did you start? |
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| 03:20.41 | mmnicolas | datruth: there you are: |
| 03:20.42 | datruth | nsadmin: epps my mistake debian is already installed I was just trying to get ssl-cert installed. |
| 03:20.45 | mmnicolas | datruth: |
| 03:20.55 | mmnicolas | http://old.nabble.com/Max-length-of-company-field-td17736402.html |
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| 03:21.51 | datruth | mmnicolas: thx i will review |
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| 03:29.52 | datruth | adjusting the openssl.cnf file produced the same error |
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| 03:33.25 | datruth | Debian GNU/Linux 6.0 |
| 03:33.26 | meLon | Can anybody suggest a terminal which will allow me to select its class? |
| 03:33.37 | somiaj | meLon: xterm |
| 03:33.44 | tensorpudding | select its what? |
| 03:34.04 | somiaj | I think he means set its class with a flag like -class XTerm-special |
| 03:34.21 | meLon | somiaj: That is exactly what I am requesting. |
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| 03:34.40 | meLon | Ill give it a try. Thank you |
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| 03:34.52 | tensorpudding | ah, i guess i wasn't the person to be asked then |
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| 03:35.39 | somiaj | meLon: looks like it should be --class "WM_CLASS" maybe your syntax for gnome-terminal was inccorect |
| 03:36.26 | meLon | somiaj: ie WM_gnome-terminal-special ? |
| 03:36.36 | somiaj | meLon: you can call it what ever you want |
| 03:37.00 | somiaj | meLon: call it My_Term if you want (you don't need to prefix iwth gnome-terminal or WM_gnome-terminal if you don't want |
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| 03:37.18 | somiaj | meLon: but dependingg on you how match terminals to give them special styles that is a useful convention |
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| 03:40.04 | meLon | somiaj: --class="gnome-terminal-special" and --class "gnome-terminal-special" still result in class "Gnome-terminal" |
| 03:40.30 | datruth | hrmm darn |
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| 03:41.55 | somiaj | hmm, well I wasn't able to find a clear manpage online for gnome-terminal. I use xterm myself. |
| 03:42.19 | meLon | I don't even see gnome-terminal manpage saying --class is a valid flag. Let me try out xterm :D |
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| 03:42.45 | drpenguin | Hey there. I am on debian lenny and I have this hw assignmet where I need to implement routines to read from a fat12 disk image. Is there a nice graphical hex viewer so I can see what Bytes correspond to what data? |
| 03:44.22 | drpenguin | nvermind I found something, thank you thou ;) |
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| 04:00.01 | meLon | somiaj: I really owe you one for convincing me to take the ten minutes it took to configure xterm. Wow. :D |
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| 04:08.14 | meLon | lol somiaj Now if I press alt+NUM it gives me similiar to this: ² . Gotta fix that :P |
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| 04:11.41 | aero__ | having trouble with net-tools iputils-ping |
| 04:11.54 | aero__ | apt says it has the most up to date version installed |
| 04:11.58 | aero__ | and I see it with locate |
| 04:12.07 | aero__ | but the system can't find it |
| 04:13.11 | nsadmin | show how you try to find it |
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| 04:13.49 | aero__ | well it is actually an error I am getting from trying to install another package with apt |
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| 04:14.09 | aero__ | it generates the list of packages it needs to download |
| 04:14.22 | aero__ | then spits me the error that it can't find iputils-ping |
| 04:14.24 | nsadmin | show the command you use (AND the prompt) |
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| 04:15.00 | aero__ | of what? |
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| 04:15.26 | nsadmin | so this thing happened to you... and you did not enter a command? |
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| 04:15.40 | aero__ | no |
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| 04:15.42 | aero__ | and ping works |
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| 04:17.12 | aero__ | http://pastebin.com/Y1bSWWr2 |
| 04:17.19 | acu_ | I want to install adobe acrobat reader on wheezy amd64 - it seem that only 32 bit deb is available - or a i486_enu.bin what should I do |
| 04:18.09 | nsadmin | aero__, what command produced that output |
| 04:19.12 | mmnicolas | acu_: use another pdf viewer |
| 04:19.41 | aero__ | multistrap -a armel -d EmDebian/ -f emdebian.conf |
| 04:19.53 | aero__ | I think it might just be the EmDebian image I got |
| 04:19.58 | aero__ | doesn't have that package |
| 04:20.05 | aero__ | sorry I was getting things mixed up |
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| 04:22.47 | nsadmin | never seen multistrap before... are you trying to install debian on an arm device? |
| 04:23.00 | aero__ | yes |
| 04:23.06 | aero__ | trying to cross compile on a gumstick |
| 04:23.16 | lynks | cool :P |
| 04:23.19 | aero__ | gumstix |
| 04:23.23 | aero__ | school project |
| 04:23.38 | aero__ | I have no clue what I am doing |
| 04:24.41 | acu_ | mmnicolas, I tried - it does not work - usually i use flsped to edit pdfs or xpdf to see them - this particular one needs adobe acrobat |
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| 05:07.12 | jerryzhou1113 | hi |
| 05:07.18 | jerryzhou1113 | anyone here |
| 05:07.21 | jerryzhou1113 | i need help |
| 05:07.50 | jerryzhou1113 | when i install nvidia driver it saids intaller not found |
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| 05:08.13 | jerryzhou1113 | hi |
| 05:08.31 | jerryzhou1113 | ? |
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| 05:08.35 | jerryzhou1113 | hi |
| 05:08.40 | jerryzhou1113 | help me |
| 05:09.15 | jerryzhou1113 | hi |
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| 05:11.23 | LtL | jerryzhou1113: http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
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| 05:18.43 | jerryzhou1113 | hi |
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| 05:19.52 | jerryzhou1113 | hi |
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| 05:21.33 | nsadmin | !ask |
| 05:21.33 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 05:26.56 | jerryzhou1113 | hi |
| 05:26.57 | jerryzhou1113 | ? |
| 05:26.59 | jerryzhou1113 | ? |
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| 05:27.06 | nsadmin | !ask |
| 05:27.07 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 05:27.07 | jerryzhou1113 | ? |
| 05:27.15 | jerryzhou1113 | hi |
| 05:27.43 | nsadmin | this is NOT a social chat; try #defocus or #debian-offtopic for that |
| 05:27.49 | jerryzhou1113 | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:27.52 | jerryzhou1113 | ? |
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| 05:44.14 | skittixch | Hi everyone, it looks like something has filled all the space on my root file system. I'm new to debian, and it's a 640gb drive, so I'm certain I must had downloaded or written something inifintely, and it's not meaningful data. When I try and search out where the extra junk is coming from, no file sizes appear out of the ordinary. http://pastebin.com/7MJZNG3M Does anyone else have any ideas |
| 05:44.15 | skittixch | I can try? |
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| 05:49.36 | streuner | skittixch: what does "df -h /var/log/" say? |
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| 05:50.52 | streuner | skittixch: if you dont get any unusual results, take a look at df -h / then and tell us which folder seems unusual |
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| 06:19.33 | zilvin | good morning everyone :-) |
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| 06:21.17 | calculon | hi |
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| 06:25.41 | calculon | nobody knows? |
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| 06:26.44 | calculon | /e/xit |
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| 07:52.12 | killown | everything in my iptables.up.rules that contains -A INPUT or -t nat or -t mangle, fails giving this error iptables: Applying firewall rules: iptables-restore v1.4.9: Can't set policy `...' on `ACCEPT' line ...: Bad built-in chain name [FAILED] this is very weird since this rules was working before about years and suddenly I am surprised with this error, do anyone have any idea I I am getting this error? |
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| 07:52.57 | alex_under | hello |
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| 07:54.24 | killown | the problem appeared after apt-get upgrade |
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| 07:55.10 | jmd | killown: Dunno. Try on ##networking or #linux |
| 07:55.36 | killown | but thiis is a debian issue |
| 07:56.12 | jmd | Could be. But perhaps not. |
| 07:56.24 | brian98 | killown: How big is your rule set? |
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| 07:57.12 | killown | brian98, a simple iptables -A INPUT -p tcp -j ACCEPT ; iptables-save, fails too |
| 07:57.20 | brian98 | right |
| 07:57.50 | brian98 | what version of debian? |
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| 07:59.25 | pom | Here is my pptpd.conf and output or "route" command: http://pastebin.com/yZYRQfFW. VPN users cannot access the network since we moved them to 192.168.9.x. I think I need to add a route from 192.168.9.150 to 192.168.0.1, which is our network gateway. How do I do this? |
| 07:59.53 | threadlock | killown: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=598315 |
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| 08:00.31 | killown | threadlock, omg, how to fix that? |
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| 08:01.10 | killown | threadlock, how downgrade iptables? |
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| 08:02.21 | threadlock | killown: how did you get 1.4.9? |
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| 08:02.38 | killown | threadlock, apt-get upgrade |
| 08:02.47 | killown | I just did it on stable version |
| 08:03.23 | threadlock | really? stable's iptables should be 1.4.8 |
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| 08:04.08 | killown | threadlock, I am not sure what iptables version I am using, since I am not in the machine to check |
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| 08:05.03 | threadlock | killown: the error message you pasted said "v1.4.9" |
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| 08:05.57 | killown | threadlock, ahhh I get this message on internet, I just remembered it was close with the msg error that I was getting on my debian machine |
| 08:06.25 | killown | ssh is not working in this machine, so I cant check that |
| 08:06.52 | killown | ssh allow access rule doesn't work due to this issue |
| 08:07.13 | Braniac | anyone here had tried to install gufw and actually works??? |
| 08:07.24 | Braniac | "apt-get install gufw"??? |
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| 08:07.36 | Braniac | i can't make ir work |
| 08:07.45 | Braniac | i can't make it work |
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| 08:08.56 | threadlock | killown: how are you going to fix the issue if you cannot reach the machine? |
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| 08:09.53 | killown | threadlock, I am just trying get so much information that I can to then go to the place where my machine is on and try to fix it |
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| 08:10.14 | threadlock | ah |
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| 08:11.34 | threadlock | killown: but the problem seemed to be with iptables-restore? |
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| 08:11.44 | killown | threadlock, yes |
| 08:11.55 | killown | iptables -A INPUT -t tcp -j ACCEPT works fine |
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| 08:12.16 | killown | but when it is saved iptables-save > iptables.up.rules, no longer works |
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| 08:13.30 | threadlock | then i'd try to set the rules manually so i could access the machine, then look at the versions of the iptables packages etc and research from there |
| 08:14.07 | killown | ok, thank you |
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| 08:51.14 | killown | I have a icore5 processor and I would like to know what iso to use for 64bits support? |
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| 08:52.42 | ksk | killown: amd64 |
| 08:52.58 | killown | thanks |
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| 08:58.08 | Jzarecta | hi I did a net install but for some reason it didnt add me any mirrors on my source.lst. I manually added them myself but it seems is not working |
| 08:58.36 | noravu | Jzarecta: Did you run `aptitude update`? |
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| 08:58.46 | Jzarecta | I try using apt-config -c=/etc/apt/source.lst but complain saying that elliminate the junk on the last line |
| 08:58.52 | Jzarecta | noravu: no |
| 08:59.03 | ksk | so do it ;) |
| 08:59.27 | Jzarecta | ksk: thanks is updating now |
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| 09:00.08 | MestreLion | is there any command to extract a .deb file the same way tar does? (as in creating a dir based on filename and extract there?) |
| 09:00.19 | ksk | dpkg -x |
| 09:00.19 | dpkg | ksk: are you using Windows? |
| 09:00.25 | ksk | dpkg: yes |
| 09:00.26 | dpkg | ksk: are you using Windows? |
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| 09:00.55 | ksk | MestreLion: see man dpkg, too |
| 09:01.14 | MestreLion | thanks ksk! I wonder why so many blogs say things like "ar p mypackage.deb data.tar.gz | tar zx" |
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| 09:02.53 | MestreLion | the first THREE i googled for mentioned the same procedure... but i knew there must exist a dh_* for that (or, as you said, dpkg) |
| 09:03.03 | MestreLion | again, thanks |
| 09:03.11 | oufo | MestreLion: because you might want to extract a deb file when you're on an rpm distro for example |
| 09:04.16 | MestreLion | humm nice point oufo |
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| 09:04.51 | MestreLion | but don't they have an equivalent of what alien is for us? |
| 09:05.08 | oufo | ye but why install it when ar and tar are there already |
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| 09:06.20 | MestreLion | yeah, make sense |
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| 09:08.39 | MestreLion | oh, dpkg still *requires* dir as an argument... I wished it was smarter than that |
| 09:08.58 | MestreLion | well, it's still better than ar | tar :P |
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| 09:23.50 | ChrisH | !dpkg java |
| 09:23.51 | dpkg | Java is a cross-platform C++-like OO language. Sun, now Oracle, has released most of its Java implementation under the GPL as <openjdk>. There are other implementations packaged for Debian; for Squeeze systems, Sun's JRE/JDK is in <non-free> (for i386, amd64 only). Ask me about <install java>. See also <java alternatives>, <icedtea>, <java ipv6>. http://wiki.debian.org/Java ##java on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 09:24.48 | ChrisH | !dpkg install java |
| 09:24.48 | dpkg | For the Java web browser plugin, install the icedtea6-plugin (squeeze) or icedtea-plugin (wheezy) package. For other Java programs, install the default-jre to get the default or manually select one of openjdk-6-jre or openjdk-7-jre yourself. The old sun-java6-* packages are best avoided as Oracle now forbids Debian providing any security updates to them. See also <java alternatives>. |
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| 09:59.00 | innociv_ | My server has been getting DDoS'd for weeks now with UDP floods. Hosts I've tried just null route all traffic to the server. I can't figure out what to do about this. |
| 09:59.33 | innociv_ | A host I had was blocking all UDP traffic which sort of worked okay. Lots of the network still worked, and all. But the attacks got so large that it strained their whole network so now they're null routing me. :/ |
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| 10:05.22 | dsdeiz | hi, anyone knows how to fix this? libsqlite3-dev : Depends: libsqlite3-0 (= 3.7.3-1) but 3.7.8-1~bpo60+1 is to be installed |
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| 10:05.46 | idimmu | innociv_: consider hosting with amazon? :D |
| 10:05.57 | krion | dsdeiz: try to apt-get update first ? |
| 10:06.03 | dsdeiz | ye |
| 10:06.07 | dsdeiz | did that already |
| 10:06.33 | ksk | innociv_: im afraid thats how ddos works. you cannot do that much until you want to fight it with more money |
| 10:06.40 | innociv_ | idimmu, don't you only have storage and not root access on that? |
| 10:07.06 | krion | dsdeiz: looks like your libsqlite3-dev is too old for your libsqlite3-0 |
| 10:07.08 | idimmu | http://aws.amazon.com/web-hosting/ |
| 10:07.12 | innociv_ | ksk, thought so.. Is there any place that's not the $750/mo cost of rackspace that'd do anything? |
| 10:07.15 | idimmu | you can pretty much host anything dude |
| 10:07.26 | innociv_ | I can host a minecraft server on that? |
| 10:07.28 | krion | dsdeiz: and looks like your using backports too |
| 10:07.31 | innociv_ | And build things from source? |
| 10:07.39 | idimmu | yup |
| 10:07.51 | ksk | depends what you buy from amazon, they have many differnt cloud-thingy ;) |
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| 10:08.03 | ksk | im afraid i dont even know one "anti ddos" hoster |
| 10:08.09 | ksk | but i guess it would be expensive... |
| 10:08.27 | idimmu | just pick someone with MASSIVE PIPES |
| 10:08.31 | idimmu | typically |
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| 10:08.46 | innociv_ | I think I'd need at least 2gbps unmetered :/ |
| 10:08.49 | innociv_ | Can't afford that |
| 10:08.56 | idimmu | why is your minecraft servr getting ddossed tho? :/ |
| 10:09.10 | idimmu | you could configure yourserver not to respond to udp floods perhaps |
| 10:09.13 | fasta | Why do i need to restart rsyslog just because I did rm /var/log/syslog? |
| 10:09.19 | dsdeiz | krion: yah, im using backports |
| 10:09.25 | innociv_ | It's just run on the same server as the web server, idimmu |
| 10:09.30 | idimmu | fasta: probably cos the process is still keeping that file open? |
| 10:09.33 | ksk | fasta: wtf did you rm syslog? :D |
| 10:09.38 | innociv_ | idimmu, i have but it's still clogging my pipes |
| 10:09.41 | dsdeiz | should i remove it temporarily? |
| 10:09.52 | fasta | ksk: because it was huge and I was only interested in some new information. |
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| 10:10.01 | ksk | fasta: logrotate? |
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| 10:10.10 | innociv_ | With cloud, you pay per usage, so aren't I going to be spending gazillions on bandwidth when i'm DDoS'd? |
| 10:10.17 | ksk | things can crash if you just delete that file btw.. |
| 10:10.46 | fasta | ksk: non-robust programs, you mean? |
| 10:10.57 | fasta | ksk: well, that would only be good; then I know what sucks. |
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| 10:11.09 | jelly | innociv_: there are proxy/caching service like cloudflare that provide ddos protection of some sort |
| 10:11.40 | innociv_ | The DDoS isn't using up CPU by tricking services into doing things. It's purely flooding the network, which no firewall helps against. |
| 10:11.51 | jelly | innociv_: you'd still need to change the targeted IP address after switching to it |
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| 10:12.02 | fasta | innociv_: what makes you think a firewall can help anything? |
| 10:12.09 | innociv_ | I just said it wouldn't, fasta. |
| 10:12.14 | jelly | innociv_: and let the upstream ISP null-route the traffic to the old one |
| 10:12.17 | innociv_ | Nothing on the server itself will help anything |
| 10:12.24 | fasta | innociv_: oh, sorry. |
| 10:12.48 | idimmu | fasta: a firewall would atleast drop the packets rather htan respond with icmp |
| 10:12.59 | jelly | idimmu: irrelevant |
| 10:12.59 | fasta | innociv_: you can sue people too. |
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| 10:13.00 | idimmu | (if he moved hosts) |
| 10:13.11 | fasta | innociv_: everyone who is in your own country, at least. |
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| 10:13.29 | fasta | innociv_: and otherwise tell your ISP to already filter it before it gets to you. |
| 10:13.40 | fasta | You are just experiencing a huge design flaw in the web. |
| 10:13.47 | idimmu | lol |
| 10:14.02 | jelly | innociv_: contact your upstream ISPs, this isn't really anything Debian can help with |
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| 10:14.14 | fasta | The Internet has no problems with DDoS; it's the web applications that do. |
| 10:15.54 | digdilem_ | web apps are the only thing affected by a ddos? |
| 10:16.11 | fasta | digdilem_: Freenet has no problems with ddos. |
| 10:16.21 | digdilem_ | that's not really a comprehensive list |
| 10:16.30 | fasta | digdilem_: did I say that? |
| 10:16.42 | digdilem_ | quakenet has and does, because it's more often targetted. nothing special about irc |
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| 10:17.04 | dsdeiz | how do i view which repository a package will be installed from? |
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| 10:18.16 | jelly | dsdeiz: apt-cache policy packagename, look at the Candidate version and which repo it's available at |
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| 10:22.40 | innociv_ | jelly, i did. They just null routed all traffic to my ip |
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| 10:25.29 | jelly | that works, too :-> |
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| 11:16.10 | mmm4m5m | hi all. Debian squeeze here. Trying headphones and volume is very low... In alsamixer I have all up to max. Is there anything else I can try? |
| 11:16.37 | mmm4m5m | ... volume is not _very_ low, but I wish it is higher... |
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| 11:19.29 | TechDesk | pulseaudio |
| 11:19.55 | babilen | mmm4m5m: Some players (such as vlc) and pulseaudio (in pavucontrol) allow you to raise the volume to, say, 160% -- See if that makes a difference. |
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| 11:20.47 | mmm4m5m | ok, thanks a lot... I will search more... i do not have pulseaudio installed... it is a web meeting in windows (virtualbox)... thanks again. |
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| 11:22.24 | Coornail | there is also a "boost" option normally |
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| 11:47.21 | littlebit | hi i have tracd configured and running corectly, I wanted to know how to bind tracd into the system so that it can be started when booting the system |
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| 11:50.08 | kripz | anybody know why MTU size is not applied for eth0 here: http://pastebin.com/FhNGQz1a ? |
| 11:50.09 | maxou56800 | Hello |
| 11:50.51 | Vespakoen | Hey geniuses, can anyone help me with a SSH problem that came out of nowhere, i can login but after i run some commands i get kicked out, root user usually keeps me logged in longer than for example the server account (works once after reboot, and then immedinately throws me out) |
| 11:50.58 | Vespakoen | here is the ssh -vv : http://pastie.org/3584891 |
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| 11:51.57 | maxou56800 | .. |
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| 11:55.51 | babilen | kripz: I guess that it is set via DHCP (interface-mtu in /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf) -- Try it without requesting interface-mtu in dhclient.conf even though I would expect /e/n/i to supersede the setting acquired via DHCP. Are you sure that your NIC and network supports jumbo frames? |
| 11:56.33 | kripz | babilen, yes because i can set it manually. I;ve resorted to pre-up, seems to be working |
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| 11:57.13 | babilen | kripz: That is, naturally, also an option -- Would it work if you don't request it via DHCP? (just curious) |
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| 12:03.32 | Vespakoen | Anyone ever ran into this issue with SSH ? |
| 12:04.44 | petemc | is there a firewall between you and the host you're connecting to? |
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| 12:05.05 | babilen | Vespakoen: Fortunately not -- You could try #openssh. Does the same thing happen when you connect to other hosts or is it specific to that one? Are you connecting through a firewall? |
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| 12:08.17 | Vespakoen | No other hosts work fine, and same problem occurs when i connect via another host |
| 12:08.20 | Vespakoen | so its not my machine |
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| 12:08.33 | Vespakoen | i tried in openssh also, no response yet, servers down atm =( |
| 12:08.50 | Vespakoen | Startup scrips don't seem to get executed too.. so i guess something is wrong .. bigtime |
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| 12:12.17 | mark76 | What's the command for telling you how many inodes your hard drive has? |
| 12:13.02 | ksk | df -i |
| 12:13.20 | ksk | mh, may not answer "how much your _hdd_ has" |
| 12:13.27 | ksk | but how much are avaliable to you right now |
| 12:13.39 | ksk | which could be a difference, im not into that hardware thingy |
| 12:13.57 | mark76 | Thanks |
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| 12:23.20 | Vespakoen | So, the system says: root@debian:~# shutdown -r now |
| 12:23.20 | Vespakoen | Broadcast message from root@debian (pts/0) (Tue Mar 13 13:30:56 2012): The system is going down for reboot NOW! |
| 12:23.26 | Vespakoen | but nothing happends! |
| 12:23.47 | Sm0ke0ut | wait for it |
| 12:23.53 | Vespakoen | it just shows this line right after that:root@debian:~# |
| 12:24.03 | Vespakoen | no use... |
| 12:24.15 | Sm0ke0ut | takes a while until all proceses are closed and the system shuts down |
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| 12:24.29 | Vespakoen | So when i connect via SSH it throws me out after some command, and if i want to shutdown it doesnt do anything lol |
| 12:25.07 | Vespakoen | and i have 100 of these processes: /usr/sbin/console-kit-daemon |
| 12:25.12 | Sevet | the shutdown happens in the background, you won't see it happening at your terminal just get disconnected a while later after sshd is stopped |
| 12:25.28 | jelly | Vespakoen: which debian release is this. |
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| 12:25.39 | Vespakoen | squeeze |
| 12:25.40 | Vespakoen | http://d.pr/llPO |
| 12:25.53 | Vespakoen | as you can see, uptime is 14 days, while i doid the reboot command like 4 times today =P |
| 12:26.10 | Vespakoen | the problem is, i am to far away from the reboot button (100km) |
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| 12:27.11 | ajikeshi__ | O_o |
| 12:27.15 | ajikeshi__ | is that a mac-server? |
| 12:27.29 | jelly | Vespakoen: you can use SysRq to force a reboot, but who knows if it's going to bring itself up properly. echo s >> /proc/sysrq-trigger; sleep 1; echo u >> /proc/sysrq-trigger; sleep 1; echo b >> /proc/sysrq-trigger |
| 12:27.33 | Vespakoen | no thats debian |
| 12:27.52 | Vespakoen | can anyone confirm jelly? |
| 12:27.54 | jelly | Vespakoen: no warranty! |
| 12:27.59 | Vespakoen | i dont want to get in my car and drive over there =P |
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| 12:29.15 | Vespakoen | sudo su -c 'echo e > /proc/sysrq-trigger; sleep 3; echo i > /proc/sysrq-trigger; echo s > /proc/sysrq-trigger; echo u > /proc/sysrq-trigger; sleep 3; echo b > /proc/sysrq-trigger' |
| 12:29.18 | Vespakoen | i dound that one somewhere |
| 12:29.23 | ajikeshi__ | Vespakoen, still curious about why you have a /Users/directorory |
| 12:29.34 | Vespakoen | yeh thats because the debian kicked me out |
| 12:29.43 | ajikeshi__ | aaaaaaah |
| 12:29.44 | ajikeshi__ | okay |
| 12:29.46 | Vespakoen | =P |
| 12:29.51 | Vespakoen | its tripping |
| 12:30.02 | Vespakoen | im just going to inject it with this: sudo su -c 'echo e > /proc/sysrq-trigger; sleep 3; echo i > /proc/sysrq-trigger; echo s > /proc/sysrq-trigger; echo u > /proc/sysrq-trigger; sleep 3; echo b > /proc/sysrq-trigger' |
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| 12:30.10 | Vespakoen | =P |
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| 12:30.46 | Vespakoen | think it didnt do anything =S |
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| 12:32.16 | suporte-thiago | something wrong with my video card ?? http://i.imgur.com/b1EmF.png ?? |
| 12:32.37 | suporte-thiago | oh sorry the screenshot is right |
| 12:32.59 | Whiskey | when you do apt-get install can you specefi whitch version you will have of the soft? if its more then 1 versiona aviable? |
| 12:33.01 | suporte-thiago | but there is something wrong, part of the screen is broke |
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| 12:33.39 | robokop | suporte-thiago: can you do a xrandr --auto |
| 12:33.46 | abrotman | /win 1 |
| 12:34.03 | suporte-thiago | robokop, ok |
| 12:34.10 | abrotman | Whiskey: man apt-get |
| 12:34.22 | suporte-thiago | robokop, Can't open display :0.0 |
| 12:34.59 | suporte-thiago | xrandr: Failed to get size of gamma for output default |
| 12:35.08 | abrotman | Whiskey: and you shouldn't really have more than one available |
| 12:35.33 | robokop | suporte-thiago: can you pastebin xrandr -q somewhere? |
| 12:35.39 | Whiskey | kk |
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| 12:35.54 | abrotman | Whiskey: if you have two available, you're probably about to do something bad |
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| 12:36.15 | suporte-thiago | robokop, ok |
| 12:36.57 | suporte-thiago | robokop, http://bpaste.net/show/25072/ |
| 12:37.25 | Whiskey | kk |
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| 12:38.12 | robokop | suporte-thiago: do you have a file /etxc/X11/xorg.conf ? |
| 12:38.44 | suporte-thiago | >> /etxc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 12:38.45 | suporte-thiago | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:39.20 | robokop | suporte-thiago: if yes pastebin it, if not try to disable your display manager and run X -configure from a tty |
| 12:39.40 | suporte-thiago | robokop, thank you |
| 12:39.44 | suporte-thiago | I will disable it right now |
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| 12:45.12 | Vespakoen | my debian doesnt even seem to take the sysrq commands =( |
| 12:45.13 | Vespakoen | now what... |
| 12:45.19 | Vespakoen | root@debian:~# echo s > /proc/sysrq-trigger |
| 12:45.19 | Vespakoen | root@debian:~# |
| 12:45.23 | Vespakoen | stays like that... |
| 12:45.35 | jelly | Vespakoen: inspect dmesg to see if it worked |
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| 12:45.44 | Vespakoen | echo $dmesg ? |
| 12:45.55 | ksk | dmesg | tail |
| 12:46.00 | Vespakoen | i see |
| 12:46.06 | jelly | Vespakoen: dmesg is a command, and that echo above it's not meant to give out any output. |
| 12:46.18 | Vespakoen | http://pastie.org/3585242 |
| 12:46.26 | jelly | also I said >> instead of > |
| 12:46.35 | Vespakoen | oh |
| 12:47.03 | jelly | Vespakoen: so the emergency sync worked. And above you seem to have more interesting notices from the kernel. |
| 12:47.18 | Vespakoen | like ? =P |
| 12:47.26 | jelly | [1258877.971495] Out of memory: kill process 846 (sshd) score 188 or a child |
| 12:47.28 | Vespakoen | aha |
| 12:47.36 | Vespakoen | but if i kill it, i can't access it anymore =P |
| 12:47.46 | jelly | you're not reading it right |
| 12:47.56 | Vespakoen | or a child.. ? |
| 12:48.11 | jelly | Vespakoen: the kernel says "I was out of memory and had to kill a "sshd" process" |
| 12:48.18 | Vespakoen | ohh |
| 12:48.27 | Vespakoen | how the hell did it get out of memory =( |
| 12:48.35 | Vespakoen | hmz |
| 12:48.36 | jelly | that is a VERY good question. |
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| 12:49.12 | jelly | inspect the output of "free" and top (press capital letter M to order processes by RES usage) |
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| 12:49.44 | suporte_thiago | robokop, vmware: Please ignore above "FATAL: Module vmwgfx not found." |
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| 12:49.57 | suporte_thiago | X -configure fails with this error |
| 12:50.26 | Vespakoen | i see a lot of these: 1306 root 20 0 78036 62864 2292 S 0.0 2.0 20:19.36 /usr/sbin/console-kit-daemon --no-daemon |
| 12:50.40 | Vespakoen | I cant order stuff in top or htop, when i run it, it throws me out |
| 12:50.47 | Vespakoen | i can JUST see the screen, thats it |
| 12:50.54 | jelly | Vespakoen: pkill -9 -f console-kit-daemon |
| 12:51.19 | Vespakoen | nice! |
| 12:51.25 | Vespakoen | now it lets me look at htop =) |
| 12:51.29 | Vespakoen | i guess the problem is solved |
| 12:51.30 | jelly | now look at free output again |
| 12:51.51 | Vespakoen | this one? dmesg | tail |
| 12:52.00 | jelly | Vespakoen: "free" is a command. |
| 12:52.20 | Vespakoen | ko |
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| 12:52.34 | robokop | suporte_thiago: that is not the error, that is just a warning, can you send me the total output of X -configure? |
| 12:52.34 | Vespakoen | that did something |
| 12:52.57 | sasapana | chi risponde? |
| 12:53.04 | suporte_thiago | robokop, I can't do X -configure > log |
| 12:53.16 | suporte_thiago | doesnt work |
| 12:53.48 | sasapana | I want download film help me |
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| 12:54.04 | robokop | suporte_thiago: X -configure &> log |
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| 12:54.16 | suporte_thiago | wait a moment |
| 12:54.36 | sasapana | list |
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| 12:55.21 | sawyerp | I have a folder setup for Samba sharing, files are 664 and files are 775. When a windows use connects to the share, they have read & modify, but no delete. |
| 12:55.36 | jelly | !it |
| 12:55.36 | dpkg | Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help. |
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| 12:57.01 | Vespakoen | jelly thanks a lot man! its working again, now its time to find out what this console-kit-deamon is all about |
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| 12:57.15 | suporte_thiago | robokop, any command to pastbin from command line? |
| 12:57.21 | sawyerp | The share uses a guest account, that is part of the group that has write access |
| 12:57.36 | robokop | suporte_thiago: pastebinit |
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| 12:57.42 | sasapana | thank u |
| 12:57.43 | jelly | Vespakoen: figure out which package /usr/sbin/console-kit-deamon belongs to |
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| 12:58.19 | suporte_thiago | http://pastebin.com/v7Pej1kE |
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| 12:59.07 | suporte_thiago | robokop, http://pastebin.com/v7Pej1kE |
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| 12:59.32 | robokop | suporte_thiago: can you also pastebin /root/xorg.conf.new if it exists? |
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| 12:59.54 | suporte_thiago | robokop, http://pastebin.com/gjVpHivt |
| 13:00.46 | robokop | ah, sandybridge, guess i m |
| 13:00.51 | robokop | issed that before |
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| 13:01.16 | suporte_thiago | robokop, no way to fix? |
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| 13:02.19 | robokop | suporte_thiago: it is possible, i have it myself too on some hosts, lemme think what i have done then |
| 13:02.22 | Vespakoen | hmmzz still getting kicked jelly =(, http://d.pr/UoEM |
| 13:02.34 | suporte_thiago | robokop, ok |
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| 13:06.05 | robokop | suporte_thiago: you need to get a kernel >2.6.37 and new intel drivers from backports |
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| 13:06.47 | suporte_thiago | robokop, :/ |
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| 13:06.58 | Vespakoen | nvm, think ive got it to reboot now =D |
| 13:07.02 | suporte_thiago | robokop, help me with this? what |
| 13:07.09 | suporte_thiago | what I need modify on my aptlist |
| 13:07.17 | FerchoLP | hi, is it possible to get "rsync" to delete in target the files that have been deleted in source? I'm trying --delete but it's not working |
| 13:07.18 | robokop | suporte_thiago: http://backports-master.debian.org/Instructions/ <-- follow this |
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| 13:09.08 | suporte_thiago | robokop, linux-patch-debian-2.6.32 |
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| 13:10.49 | cornerse | FerchoLP: could you rephrase that? |
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| 13:11.13 | robokop | suporte_thiago: i would install linux-image-amd64 and xserver-xorg-video-intel from backports |
| 13:11.46 | suporte_thiago | linux-image-3.2.0-0.bpo.1-amd64 linux-image-amd64 |
| 13:12.00 | suporte_thiago | robokop, this kernel is stable? |
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| 13:13.16 | robokop | suporte_thiago: it is a stable release from linus, but not yet in debian stable, you do need a newer kernel then debian-stable ofor sandybridge features though |
| 13:13.37 | FerchoLP | Yes. I have file1 file2 file3 and file4 in source directory. I'm doing rsync to dest folder. Then I erase original file2 and I want resync to delete that file2 in destination |
| 13:14.07 | robokop | FerchoLP: man rsync tells you about the --delete option |
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| 13:14.59 | FerchoLP | yes, but it is not working, don't know why |
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| 13:15.57 | suporte_thiago | robokop, ok |
| 13:16.03 | robokop | FerchoLP: do you rsync the dir or the seperate files (looks your rsync like rsync -r dir/ target: or rsync dir/* target: |
| 13:16.14 | suporte_thiago | robokop, thanks a lot, reboot! |
| 13:17.14 | FerchoLP | you're right, maybe that's my problem. I'm doing rsync -av * --delete /dest |
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| 13:22.50 | marina_ | hi all - is there a particular driver for atl1c ? I have a Toshiba laptop. No matter how i configure eth0 it stops working after about 10 minutes. |
| 13:22.57 | marina_ | 01:00.0 Ethernet controller: Atheros Communications AR8152 v2.0 Fast Ethernet (r |
| 13:22.57 | marina_ | ev c1) |
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| 13:23.37 | marina_ | It does not matter now it is configged - ifup/networkmanager/wicd - all the same result. Stops working in 10 minutes and cannot access network. |
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| 13:24.02 | marina_ | even manual ifconfig - same. Wireless works great. |
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| 13:24.54 | jelly | Vespakoen: what does "getting kicked" mean? Do you see any new messages in dmesg? |
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| 13:26.41 | suporte_thiago | robokop, thank you, fixed |
| 13:26.55 | robokop | suporte_thiago: no problem, glad to be of help |
| 13:27.20 | suporte_thiago | -A input -s 0/0 -p tcp --dport 22 -j ACCEPT doesn't work with iptables-restore |
| 13:27.37 | suporte_thiago | iptables-restore: line 18 failed |
| 13:29.06 | suporte_thiago | fixed, case sensitive problem |
| 13:29.42 | suporte_thiago | other issue, iptables-restore v1.4.8: Line 44 seems to have a -t table option. >> from -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth1 -j MASQUERADE |
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| 13:29.57 | suporte_thiago | -t doesnt work with iptables-restore? |
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| 13:30.12 | Vespakoen | Hey Jelly, it is fixed now, was able to reboot it with your command |
| 13:30.25 | Vespakoen | everything is running fine again =D Thanks a million! you saved me a trip to the datacenter |
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| 13:32.40 | FerchoLP | yes, now it's working :) tanks |
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| 13:33.12 | FerchoLP | using "rsync -a /source/ --delete /dest/" :) |
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| 13:36.24 | thepolyol | ignore -channels $0 * JOINS PARTS QUITS CRAP NICKS |
| 13:36.33 | thepolyol | oops, sorry |
| 13:36.58 | Eninem | so you should be |
| 13:37.05 | Eninem | you just wasted some of my bandwidth |
| 13:37.09 | Eninem | bandwidth i can't get back |
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| 13:44.33 | Eninem | thepolyol so what are we gonna do about it? i can calculate the amount of bandwidth of mine you wasted then send you a bill. do you have paypal? |
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| 13:45.17 | robokop | points Eninem at #debian-offtopic, and start writing his own bills for Eninem |
| 13:45.27 | Eninem | lol |
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| 13:47.27 | Yeretik | Can anybody suggest me a twitter or identi.ca client with proxy support for Debian Sid ? |
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| 13:48.00 | Yeretik | I don't wanna use the system proxy, i need to declare it specifically |
| 13:48.14 | robokop | Yeretik: your browser of choice? |
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| 13:48.36 | Yeretik | Hmmm.. ah... i prefer a Desktop client |
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| 13:49.32 | Yeretik | robokop, I prefer a desktop client |
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| 13:52.45 | robokop | Yeretik: dunno then, apt-cache search identica gives some results, perhaps you can try those |
| 13:53.18 | anisfarhana | I want to modify bash prompt , seem like /etc/bash.bashrc is not the place , can somebody assist me on this matter? |
| 13:53.40 | anisfarhana | I want to modify the bash prompt for all users , including root. |
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| 13:54.32 | petemc | anisfarhana: tried /etc/profile ? |
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| 13:55.55 | anisfarhana | petemc: # The file bash.bashrc already sets the default PS1 , if [ -f /etc/bash.bashrc ]; then |
| 13:56.07 | anisfarhana | petemc: so i assume by default it is bash.bashrc |
| 13:56.44 | anisfarhana | petemc: and it is commented out |
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| 14:02.21 | sysop_fb | Having trouble installing flash, the wget for the player fails running flashplugin-nonfree |
| 14:02.33 | skilz | I just installed xserver-xorg, now startx command is not found |
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| 14:04.44 | babilen | skilz: startx is in the xinit package -- Not sure about the dependency graph (can check that in a minute) but it should be installed if you install the "xorg" package |
| 14:05.12 | skilz | babilen, Okay cheers mate. |
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| 14:05.35 | babilen | s/installed/pulled in/ |
| 14:05.44 | babilen | !tell skilz -about apt-file |
| 14:05.46 | as001 | Hello I want to remove old kernel initrd.img-2.6.18-6-686 from my /boot/ directory to free some space. Is it safe to manualy remove it and to delete it from menu.lst or I need to use some tool to do so ? |
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| 14:06.55 | babilen | skilz: I've just used 'apt-file -x "bin/startx$"' to find this information -- If a package is installed "dpkg -S" or (faster) "dlocate -S" provides this information as well. |
| 14:07.19 | jhutchins_wk | as001: Use one of the package management tools. |
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| 14:08.36 | as001 | ok will that update grub configuration too ? |
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| 14:08.49 | Lint | i cannot access my floppy in debian |
| 14:09.11 | Lint | what should I do step by step? |
| 14:09.17 | jhutchins_wk | as001: yes |
| 14:09.33 | abrotman | Lint: start with what you've tried to do so far? |
| 14:09.47 | as001 | ok thanks |
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| 14:10.03 | Lint | I tried to modprobe gloppy but nothing happened |
| 14:10.14 | Lint | tthere's no it in file manager |
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| 14:13.52 | sysop_fb | I can manually download the tarball of the flashplayer by copy and pasting the link in terminal but wget fails when using update-flashplugin-nonfree? |
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| 14:16.29 | skilz | What is most lightweight web browser ofr 700MHz processor? |
| 14:16.43 | skilz | iceweasel is too heavy |
| 14:16.53 | skilz | Or maybe old version? |
| 14:17.12 | colo-work | try dillo |
| 14:17.16 | colo-work | or uzbl. |
| 14:17.21 | colo-work | or kazehakase |
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| 14:17.32 | colo-work | maybe also midori |
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| 14:21.24 | Lint | how to make damned floppy to read in debian? |
| 14:21.49 | skilz | You have to mount it |
| 14:21.59 | skilz | lol why are you still using floppy? |
| 14:22.09 | colo-work | because it's fun. |
| 14:22.22 | skilz | Bulls*%& |
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| 14:26.05 | johnfg | hi guys |
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| 14:26.36 | johnfg | Will rsync pickup where it left off if I have to stop it, as bittorrent and gftp do? |
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| 14:27.05 | ksk | it can, yes. |
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| 14:27.42 | ksk | *it can resume |
| 14:27.49 | frostschutz | johnfg: you mean whether it would resume in the middle of a file? |
| 14:28.02 | johnfg | ksk, OK, I thought it did. I didn't use the z flag as it's running now, and thought I'd stop and restart it. |
| 14:28.15 | johnfg | frostschutz, Yes, from wherever in a file. |
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| 14:29.03 | frostschutz | johnfg: it usually doesn't, but it has an append / append-verify option. |
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| 14:30.16 | sysop_fb | think I fixed it |
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| 14:33.46 | sysop_fb | I had ipv6 turned off but wget was explicitly trying to use it from the update-flashplugin-nonfree I guess |
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| 14:33.57 | sysop_fb | http://hpaste.org/65243 is the diff |
| 14:34.00 | Lint | I mount it, it ptints no errors but it not mouinted |
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| 14:35.09 | DanDare | johnfg, to safely use append-verify with rsync you better include --checksum, also |
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| 14:38.17 | DanDare | johnfg: https://lists.samba.org/archive/rsync/2011-July/026630.html |
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| 14:41.48 | Whiskey | Anyone know what getotp is? |
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| 14:42.13 | dvs | Whiskey: are you looking at a batch script? |
| 14:42.48 | Whiskey | yeh |
| 14:43.06 | dvs | Whiskey: it's a function that deciphers command line arguments. |
| 14:43.29 | Whiskey | how to call or use it? |
| 14:43.58 | llutz | thats "getopt" not getotp. read "man getopt" |
| 14:44.05 | dvs | Whiskey: google an example. It's a bit too complicated to explain here. |
| 14:44.28 | babilen | Whiskey: I would also recommend #bash for further questions |
| 14:44.46 | Whiskey | yeh i did try that |
| 14:45.03 | Whiskey | i wonder if it culd maybe disable the output on terminal |
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| 14:47.03 | themill | Whiskey: turning your computer off would be one way of doing that... is that what you meant? Perhaps you need to be more precise when asking questions... |
| 14:47.31 | Whiskey | no |
| 14:47.50 | Whiskey | i mean eaxttly what i told disable input oni terminal |
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| 14:48.01 | themill | keep trying |
| 14:48.09 | Whiskey | Witch meas you can write anything in it |
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| 14:48.18 | Whiskey | while the function is activated |
| 14:48.41 | Whiskey | block keyboard output is that batter explained themill? |
| 14:48.51 | themill | Whiskey: perhaps #bash has enough context to divine what you're talking about. |
| 14:49.34 | Whiskey | ffs |
| 14:49.44 | Whiskey | when toy try to write anything in the terminal you can´t |
| 14:49.46 | Whiskey | cuz its blocked |
| 14:49.53 | Whiskey | is what i want to do how hard can it be to understand? |
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| 14:51.02 | abrotman | you're blocked in #bash ? |
| 14:51.25 | abrotman | or perhaps he hit ctrl-s |
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| 14:51.54 | Whiskey | yeh ctrl,s does the same |
| 14:52.00 | Whiskey | but i wuld like to have it automatic |
| 14:52.34 | babilen | I think Whiskey is looking for some tool/function/whatever that makes it impossible to give *any* textual input (maybe only in the current terminal or tty, but *shrug*) |
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| 14:55.05 | themill | Whiskey: no-one here has any idea what you're trying to do or what the problem is. We don't have enough information and you don't seem comfortable explaining things. Is there another language you would be more comfortable seeking help in? There's a #debian.se if that helps. |
| 14:55.07 | Whiskey | exactly :D |
| 14:55.24 | Whiskey | babilen: did get it :) |
| 14:55.48 | babilen | \o/ |
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| 15:00.37 | Russel-Athletic | hiho, i am kind of confused what i should do when regarding xen |
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| 15:01.07 | Russel-Athletic | at the moment i am sitting on debian stable where the xen network scripts are doing the network stuff |
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| 15:01.26 | Russel-Athletic | do i need to change it already for the next stable release or will it still work? |
| 15:01.44 | skilz | How can I make Debian look like this? http://fbsplash.berlios.de/themes/shots/1024x768-gentoo-fbcondecor.png |
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| 15:02.02 | skilz | Nice sexy console |
| 15:02.11 | babilen | skilz: You mean during boot? |
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| 15:02.22 | skilz | Nah the whole time |
| 15:02.28 | skilz | when I switch to console |
| 15:02.31 | babilen | skilz: Take a look at plymouth (but I am sure that we don't ship gentoo's branding) |
| 15:02.55 | skilz | Isn't this framebuffer? |
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| 15:03.02 | skilz | I hate plymouth with a passion! |
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| 15:04.05 | babilen | skilz: So do I, but it is the first thing that pops into my mind when I see "fancy consoles" -- I think you are right though. Not entirely sure how this integrates with KVM that is used nowadays. |
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| 15:05.16 | skilz | babilen, Plymouth just hides the startup init messages |
| 15:05.32 | skilz | I want a graphical console to type on with a wallpaper |
| 15:05.36 | skilz | That's framebugger |
| 15:05.41 | skilz | framebuffer |
| 15:06.04 | skilz | !tell skilz about framebuffer |
| 15:07.22 | skilz | Ahh fbcon |
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| 15:08.17 | Whiskey | But what does that help :D |
| 15:08.27 | Lint | how to make damned floppy to read in debian? it doesn't mount and not report errors |
| 15:09.11 | movl | Lint: what FS? |
| 15:09.50 | Lint | vfat ofcourse |
| 15:09.54 | petemc | Lint: whats the exact command you ran? |
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| 15:10.04 | Lint | mount /dev/fd0 |
| 15:10.29 | movl | what mount point? |
| 15:10.35 | skilz | babilen, http://jeandamiendurand.free.fr/debian/splashutils/fb01.jpeg |
| 15:10.48 | Lint | /media/floppy0 |
| 15:11.07 | babilen | skilz: That is fbsplash AFAICT |
| 15:11.14 | skilz | Yeah |
| 15:11.16 | skilz | Thats what I want |
| 15:11.24 | babilen | ,i fbsplash |
| 15:11.25 | judd | No package named 'fbsplash' was found in squeeze/i386. |
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| 15:11.31 | babilen | ,versions fbsplash |
| 15:11.32 | judd | No package named 'fbsplash' was found in i386. |
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| 15:11.53 | skilz | It's here http://jeandamiendurand.free.fr/debian/splashutils/ |
| 15:12.08 | skilz | ,i splashutils |
| 15:12.11 | judd | No package named 'splashutils' was found in squeeze/i386. |
| 15:12.31 | petemc | Lint: we seem to have differing definitions of exact |
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| 15:13.34 | Lint | mount /dev/fd0 is an exact command |
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| 15:16.21 | Worf | . o O ( does a fstab entry exist ? ) |
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| 15:19.23 | somiaj | skilz: maybe look at startupmanager (seems to set up both grub boot graphics and splash screens from its description. Haven't used it though) |
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| 15:21.35 | dury | hi there channel :) |
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| 15:22.15 | dury | does anyone know about webconverger |
| 15:22.55 | dury | http://webconverger.org/ |
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| 15:23.25 | skilz | somiaj, I am using yaboot |
| 15:23.27 | skilz | not grub |
| 15:23.32 | skilz | PPC |
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| 15:24.09 | somiaj | skilz: well it still configures splash screens. But it was mearly a suggestion. |
| 15:25.08 | skilz | startupmanager : Depends: grub but it is not installable or |
| 15:25.09 | skilz | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:25.09 | skilz | ' |
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| 15:31.24 | somiaj | hmm, didn't notice the depends. it was I got with apt-cache search splash |
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| 15:34.27 | somiaj | hmm seems usplash is mostly a bootup utility as well and was removed in squeeze (But it was in lenny) |
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| 15:34.44 | tsturzl | If a debian package requires a certain dependency and that dependency is installable in the aptitude repository, will it be installed automatically? |
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| 15:35.13 | sheep | aptitude should automatically install dependencies when a new package is installed |
| 15:35.32 | sheep | provided that it can find packages in the repos that satisfy those dependencies |
| 15:35.42 | Lint | how to make damned floppy to read in debian? it doesn't mount and not report errors |
| 15:35.52 | tsturzl | What about if that dependecy is not met? Could I have the option to install the library that I packed in the .deb instead? |
| 15:35.59 | tsturzl | or not in the repos? |
| 15:36.15 | Lint | tsturzl, dpkg does not install dependencies |
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| 15:37.19 | tsturzl | Lint, I thought if the repositories have the dependency they could install it? |
| 15:37.43 | sheep | tsturzl: apt-get and aptitude will, but dpkg doesn't even know what repositories are |
| 15:37.43 | Lint | tsturzl, dpkg does not know about repositories |
| 15:38.38 | sunropid | Hello I just format by mistake an ext3 to ext4,.. how i can recover it? |
| 15:39.07 | Lint | why I cannot see my floppy in file manager? |
| 15:39.08 | tsturzl | Well what I'm trying to do is distribute software that depends on the Love2D game engine, and love2d is in the repositories but its often an outdate version. Any idea how I would distribute this? |
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| 15:39.26 | sheep | Lint: try sudo modprobe floppy |
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| 15:39.37 | squidly | Is there a way I can tell multiple hosts to accept a license for the java packages? |
| 15:39.37 | Lint | sheep, it doesn't help |
| 15:39.54 | squidly | I need to install java on about 50 different machines and we accept for one we accept for all. |
| 15:40.09 | sheep | tsturzl: make another package for the new version of Love2D and have the other software depend on the new version |
| 15:40.19 | tdrusk | sheep: paste the output of fdisk -l |
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| 15:40.55 | mrbean | Hi, squirrelmail is accepting emails for non existent users and dovecot is delivering them, creating the new dirs in /var/vmail. I want to file a bug report, but should it be to dovecot, right? |
| 15:40.59 | tsturzl | sheep, could I provide the love2d deb file within the games deb file? |
| 15:41.07 | sheep | tsturzl: no |
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| 15:41.16 | petemc | mrbean: squirrelmail isnt a mta |
| 15:41.38 | sheep | tsturzl: well you could statically compile your software against Live2D, but that's probably a bad idea |
| 15:41.44 | mrbean | petemc ok, so the culprit is dovecot or postfix? |
| 15:42.18 | tsturzl | Sheep, it is a liberal license. I can, but if someone has multiple love2d game, they have multiple copies of the same engine... |
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| 15:42.51 | Lint | why I cannot see my floppy in file manager? |
| 15:42.53 | tsturzl | sheep, I'd like to make this user friendly. Is there a way I could use a deb file to add a repository for the game and engine, then install the game? |
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| 15:43.06 | sheep | tsturzl: why not just distribute two .debs? |
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| 15:43.31 | Lukemob | hello, does anybody know the difference between "xen-amd64" and "xen-amd64 with Xen 4.0" grub entries? |
| 15:43.51 | tsturzl | sheep, I naturally assume everyone is stupid therefore I'd like to give the easiest approach to the end users :p |
| 15:44.11 | sheep | tsturzl: the easiest way for you and for them would be to make two .debs |
| 15:44.33 | Lint | tsturzl, the easiest way is to provide an installation script |
| 15:44.40 | sheep | you can install two debs at once with dpkg -i |
| 15:44.56 | tsturzl | Lint, shell script? |
| 15:44.57 | sheep | Lint: those tend to get quite nasty though |
| 15:45.14 | tsturzl | I agree with sheep, though some pull it off. |
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| 15:45.23 | Lint | all normal software uses custom installers, as package managers are shit |
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| 15:45.43 | sheep | now you're just being silly |
| 15:45.47 | tsturzl | apt-get is usually pretty nice, usually just for libraries and such |
| 15:45.57 | tsturzl | and major software |
| 15:46.11 | tsturzl | which repos get maintain actively |
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| 15:46.53 | Lint | damn it |
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| 15:47.10 | Lint | first floppy doesn't work |
| 15:47.17 | Lint | now dpkg died |
| 15:47.45 | JPT | floppy? |
| 15:47.48 | sheep | was mounting floppies working before? |
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| 15:48.37 | tdrusk | Lint: Does fdisk -l see it? |
| 15:48.45 | Lint | dpkg error parsing file '/var/lib/dpkg/updates/0002 near line 0: after field named " |
| 15:48.46 | dpkg | You are person #1 to send an unparseable request, Lint |
| 15:49.50 | Lint | fdisk says unable to open /dev/fd0 no such device or address |
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| 15:50.16 | Lint | NOW how to fix dpkg? |
| 15:50.39 | petemc | what did you do to break it? |
| 15:50.48 | petemc | doesnt expect a sensible answer |
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| 15:50.53 | Lint | nothing |
| 15:51.09 | Lint | linux is only os which tends to break by itself |
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| 15:51.15 | JPT | meeeh~ |
| 15:51.37 | sheep | I have seen windows break more by itself far more than I have seen linux do it |
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| 15:52.10 | Lint | you saw error message a few lines before |
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| 15:52.27 | petemc | you have a lot to learn about asking questions |
| 15:52.33 | petemc | amongst other things |
| 15:52.39 | idimmu | e.g. linux |
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| 15:53.54 | Lint | what's wrong with my question? |
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| 15:54.23 | sheep | this is for ubuntu, but this should also apply for debian: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1532208 |
| 15:54.29 | sheep | it's more or less the same issue |
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| 15:56.23 | Whiskey | does this work <-------- |
| 15:56.24 | Whiskey | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:56.24 | Whiskey | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:56.24 | Whiskey | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:56.44 | Whiskey | ops |
| 15:56.49 | ansgar | Whiskey: That won't work. |
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| 15:57.32 | Whiskey | KK |
| 15:57.38 | Whiskey | How shuld i do it ? |
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| 15:58.15 | sheep | echo "deb http://backports.debian.org/debian-backports squeeze-backports main" | sudo tee -a /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 16:00.17 | Whiskey | kk |
| 16:00.24 | Whiskey | What happens if its allredy there? |
| 16:00.32 | Whiskey | does it be duplicated, or can it only turn in once? |
| 16:00.45 | Whiskey | i mean if you run it more then one time |
| 16:02.03 | Whiskey | yeh it duplicate |
| 16:02.09 | Whiskey | anyway to check if its there, and if it is ignore it? |
| 16:02.16 | sheep | grep |
| 16:02.32 | Whiskey | please show me |
| 16:02.36 | Whiskey | i can´t nothing :d |
| 16:03.24 | Krigsforbryter | I use tar but get a error, the errormessage was "tar: Exiting with failure status due to previous errors" and the command i run was "tar -cvf backup.tar /home/3/b/" Can someone tell me wath i do wrong? :/ |
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| 16:04.55 | karlpinc | Krigsforbryter: Perhaps nothing. Depends on the previous errors. tar won't backup (and does not need to backup), say, unix sockets. |
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| 16:05.24 | babilen | Whiskey: You can just use an editor to edit you sources.list -- nano, vim, emacs, gedit (with gksudo to acquire superuser privileges) come to mind. |
| 16:05.44 | Whiskey | well |
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| 16:05.56 | Whiskey | tthis is a script so im not sure it wuld work :D |
| 16:06.10 | Krigsforbryter | unix sockets |
| 16:07.29 | Krigsforbryter | karlpinc: so the .tar file i make is OK? |
| 16:07.30 | babilen | Whiskey: I would recommend to place a script-specific file in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ (say my-script-name.list) if that file doesn't exist already in that case. |
| 16:07.38 | Lint | why debian doesn't want to fix console font bug? |
| 16:07.43 | karlpinc | Krigsforbryter: Depends on the previous errors. |
| 16:07.57 | karlpinc | Lint: |
| 16:08.03 | karlpinc | Lint: Where the font is too small? |
| 16:08.15 | mrbean | Via smtp postfix rejects them, but via web they are delivered, so is this situation normal and unavoidable? |
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| 16:08.21 | Lint | no, where font is lost after switching to X screen |
| 16:08.21 | Krigsforbryter | karlpinc: where can i find the previous errors? |
| 16:08.42 | karlpinc | Krigsforbryter: In the output of the tar command. It sends errors to stderr. |
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| 16:09.37 | karlpinc | Lint: Is there a bug report? (Anyway, not a lot of changes, fixes or not, get into the stable release. That's why it's called stable.) |
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| 16:10.09 | Lint | don't care about bug reports. every other distro fixed it, debian not |
| 16:10.35 | Lint | and if you report a bug in debian it can lay there several years before someone will notice it |
| 16:11.11 | karlpinc | Lint: A) if there's no bug report nobody will know there's a problem. B) Unless it's a critical/security fix stable does not change. You can get some fixes from backported packages at backports.debian.org. |
| 16:11.28 | Lint | it's not stable, it's freaking sid |
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| 16:12.05 | Lint | and of course there's bug report for it, such things are hard to miss |
| 16:12.16 | Krigsforbryter | karlpinc: Tnx for the help :) |
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| 16:13.36 | karlpinc | Lint: Well then, there's a way to find out what's going on with sid, and what's fixed and what's not. But I don't know what it is. If you run sid you're expected to know. It's probably fixed in experimental and not made it's way to sid, but that's a guess. |
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| 16:16.15 | drakythe | Hi there. I have a VM Debian Squeeze up and running, I'm trying to install VMWare tools but something fubared in the middle of it (gcc version was wrong) and now I that I have fixed the problem I cannot run the installer for vmware tools again because it says it has already been run. Anyone know how to get around this? |
| 16:16.36 | ksk | !tell drakythe about vmware |
| 16:17.13 | drakythe | ksk: thanks |
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| 16:17.46 | ksk | mhm, id look for any *vmare* files and delete them.. but kinda brutal solution ;) |
| 16:18.00 | SmashingX | hello guys, is there any application that I can use where I can see all the people connected to my router via wireless? |
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| 16:18.19 | fasta | drakythe: that's because the people from VMWare don't know how to write cross-platform software. |
| 16:18.41 | fasta | drakythe: I suggest you use another VM provider that can do this. |
| 16:19.07 | drakythe | fasta: Oh trust me, we're moving away from vmware asap, but our current situation means thats going to be a while |
| 16:19.10 | fasta | drakythe: it is possible to modify the Perl script yourself such that it does work. |
| 16:19.24 | fasta | drakythe: to what are you moving? |
| 16:19.28 | redhead88 | I can not seem to get openjdk7vor openjre7 to install on squeeze |
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| 16:19.51 | drakythe | fasta: unfortunately I deleted the script while trying to figure out how to get around the problem and now I can't get it back O.o |
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| 16:20.20 | drakythe | fasta: it won't let me remount the image to untar it again. Not really sure whats up other than I'm Fubared |
| 16:20.36 | fasta | drakythe: you can run strace to find why it doesn't continue. |
| 16:21.01 | fasta | drakythe: near the end there will be a line where it reads some file which allows you to conclude that that is why it stops. |
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| 16:21.57 | drakythe | fasta: when I try to mount the /dev/cdrom to /mnt/ so I can extract the files I need, it tells me "you must specify the filesystem type" which it did not do the first time :| |
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| 16:24.07 | optraz | http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=iceweasel im using wheezy but when i check in my system, iceweasel is version 8.0 but the link show it is version 10.x , why so? |
| 16:24.44 | SmashingX | hello guys, is there any application that I can use where I can see all the people connected to my router via wireless? |
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| 16:25.12 | drakythe | ahh! got it to mount. Oy. I'd changed something inside of vmware... I really don't like this software... |
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| 16:26.03 | jpinx | drakythe: virtualbox works nicely for me ;) |
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| 16:26.58 | drakythe | jpinx: I'm sure its a lovely piece of software when you know what you are doing. Sadly I have been thrown into the deep end of some minor sysadmin work without many clues. Really I'm just frustrated. |
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| 16:28.29 | drakythe | Annnnnd vmware has an uninstall script. Just had to find it. *sigh* okay my blood pressure it back to healthy levels. I think. |
| 16:29.14 | drakythe | Okay, apparently I did _not_ fix the gcc problem. So... how does one install a specific version of gcc? |
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| 16:31.24 | ksk | drakythe: do aptitude search gcc |
| 16:31.32 | ksk | and hope theres one you like |
| 16:31.59 | ksk | ,versions gcc |
| 16:32.00 | judd | Package: gcc on i386 -- lenny: 4:4.3.2-2; squeeze: 4:4.4.5-1; sid: 4:4.6.2-4; wheezy: 4:4.6.2-4 |
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| 16:32.17 | ksk | mhm, there are 4.1 and 4.3 packages,too |
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| 16:33.54 | datruth | When I do apt-get install ssl-cert I get the following http://pastebin.com/2tTJy2sL why is this happening? |
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| 16:34.16 | jelly | drakythe: IME vmware modules built and worked when a matching major and minor numbers for gcc were used, as for the kernel. Eg. a kernel build with gcc-4.2.0 could use modules built with gcc-4.2.2 even if things complained a bit |
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| 16:34.38 | drakythe | jelly: yup, apprently my kernel was built with gcc-4.3.5 |
| 16:36.34 | drakythe | Apparently I just fail. "apt-get install gcc-4.3" should do the trick? |
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| 16:38.11 | optraz | http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=iceweasel im using wheezy but when i check in my system, iceweasel is version 8.0 but the link show it is version 10.x , why so? |
| 16:39.36 | nsadmin | wheezy moves |
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| 16:41.23 | optraz | nsadmin: what moves? |
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| 16:42.38 | abrotman | judd: versions iceweasel |
| 16:42.39 | judd | Package: iceweasel on i386 -- lenny: 3.0.6-3; lenny-security: 3.0.6-3; lenny-backports: 3.5.16-11~bpo50+1; squeeze: 3.5.16-11; squeeze-proposed-updates: 3.5.16-12; squeeze-security: 3.5.16-12; sid: 10.0.2-1; wheezy: 10.0.2-1; experimental: 11.0~b6-1 |
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| 16:42.51 | abrotman | optraz: when is the last time you did an aptitude update;aptitude full-upgrade ? |
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| 16:43.41 | pikaro | hi! it seems some proces has locked my mbox in /var/mail - lockfile -mu /var/mail/vinter -> lockfile: Can't unlock "/var/mail/vinter.lock", then it hangs. same is true if I try with root, so this is not a permissions problem. I just rebooted, and the problem persists. what to do? |
| 16:44.14 | abrotman | pikaro: can you remove the lock file now ? |
| 16:44.55 | pikaro | as I said, with lockfile -mu, same results. |
| 16:45.19 | pikaro | if there is another way, I'd be glad to try it |
| 16:46.50 | pikaro | (although one thing is different. when I tried the command as user before, it didn;t hang, but immeadiately showed "try praying, giving up on vinter". |
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| 16:47.21 | pikaro | after the reboot, it hangs, as it did as root before and does now |
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| 16:47.49 | optraz | abrotman: i did apt-get update && apt-get upgrade |
| 16:48.19 | abrotman | optraz: that's not what i said |
| 16:48.38 | abrotman | pikaro: tried poking around with fuser or lsof ? |
| 16:48.52 | pikaro | lsof shows nothing, it just hangs as well |
| 16:49.06 | pikaro | fuser -> will try |
| 16:49.20 | optraz | abrotman: then none, I did *not* did that |
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| 16:50.15 | pikaro | fuser /var/mail/vinter -> fuser: Cannot stat file /proc/3507/fd/11: Resource temporarily unavailable (multiple lines with different numbers) |
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| 16:50.28 | abrotman | that's cute |
| 16:50.55 | optraz | hardly |
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| 16:52.56 | optraz | ok, doing full-upgrade now |
| 16:52.59 | pikaro | removing the file and putting it back produced no errors, but didn't change anything |
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| 16:57.24 | SirLeto | I have a question, I'm going to put debian on a netbook, do I have to use the aspire one builds, or will normal debian be fine? |
| 16:57.52 | SirLeto | The the aspire one build have special drivers or something? |
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| 17:00.47 | pikaro | oh, just noticed lockfile is a procmail utility :P sorry, wrong channel then |
| 17:01.30 | Sir_Leto | Wow, a lot of people idle here.... |
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| 17:02.08 | SgrA | hi^ |
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| 17:02.45 | Guest41813 | Hey, |
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| 17:02.54 | Guest41813 | when will there be a Debian 6.0.5 ? |
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| 17:02.59 | Guest41813 | will there? |
| 17:03.05 | Guest41813 | next month? |
| 17:03.22 | WALoeIII | I have a package that when installed has invoke-rc.d called, where is this done (so I can disable it, I need upgrade called not start if the daemon is already running) |
| 17:03.46 | bleat | hi when i try 'update-rc.d -f gdm remove' i get 'update-rc.d: using dependency based boot sequencing' (im trying to disable gdm3, im running wheezy) |
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| 17:03.55 | bleat | any suggestions? |
| 17:03.55 | somiaj | Sir_Leto: depends on the netbook, I'd ask google, but I would say unless it requires a special kernel standard debian should be just fine |
| 17:04.06 | Sir_Leto | Okay. |
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| 17:04.45 | Sir_Leto | It is an aspire one series, I just didn't know if those exact build are required because of drivers and such. |
| 17:04.53 | somiaj | Guest41813: point releases happen every so often when there have been enough security updates to warrent it. If you want to be more upto date than 6.0.4 make sure you have security.debian.org sources and squeeze update sources (those are what eventally get added for the next point release) |
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| 17:06.11 | Guest41813 | is there any way to assess when there will be a 6.0.5? |
| 17:06.18 | Guest41813 | I just wanna konow |
| 17:06.26 | Guest41813 | if I should burn 6.0.4 today |
| 17:06.30 | Guest41813 | or wait a bit |
| 17:06.36 | Guest41813 | to get 6.0.5 |
| 17:07.23 | somiaj | Guest41813: the difference between the two is very small, in any case you should be able to easily upgrade from 6.0.4 to 6.0.5 if the new point-release comes out |
| 17:07.29 | Guest41813 | burning 6.0.4 a few days before the release of 6.0.5 would be cumbrous. |
| 17:07.40 | PSR_B1257 | some help needed regarding connection to wireless router driver. Here is the lspci log: http://pastebin.com/NNF5Tx2e and kernal log: http://pastebin.com/vYUzRY8A |
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| 17:08.06 | Guest41813 | what shall I do? count the updates? how? |
| 17:08.23 | somiaj | why? There is verry little difference in point releases, they just contian the security/bug fixes since the last point release. I wouldn't worry to much about it. Having a 6.0.4 cd will install be fine and easily upgraded to the most current debian squeeze at the time |
| 17:08.25 | tremon | Guest41813: just download the netinstall and stop worrying |
| 17:08.27 | Guest41813 | I wanna burn the last release before debian 7.0.0 |
| 17:08.40 | Guest41813 | to keep that stored |
| 17:08.43 | PSR_B1257 | some help needed regarding connection to wireless router driver. Here is the lspci log: http://pastebin.com/NNF5Tx2e and kernal log: http://pastebin.com/vYUzRY8A |
| 17:08.56 | tremon | Guest41813: you have no faith in archive.debian.org? |
| 17:08.59 | somiaj | wheezy is still a ways off, I wouldn't worry about that, also squeeze will be supported for a year after wheezy is released |
| 17:09.11 | somiaj | for oldstable you won't even need archive.debian.org for a while |
| 17:09.12 | Sir_Leto | seems just be an SD reader issue, I guess normal debian is fine. |
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| 17:09.51 | Guest41813 | so then; may there be 6.0.6, 6.0.7 ? |
| 17:10.06 | dvs | Guest41813: Yes, no doubt |
| 17:10.55 | PSR_B1257 | some help needed regarding connection to wireless router driver. Here is the lspci log: http://pastebin.com/NNF5Tx2e and kernal log: http://pastebin.com/vYUzRY8A . I'm not able to connect to network connections. |
| 17:11.01 | bleat | any suggestion on how to disbale gdm3 on wheezy? |
| 17:11.27 | Guest41813 | rm /etc/rc*.d/*gdm3 |
| 17:12.06 | bleat | that doesnt sound verry 'clean' |
| 17:12.11 | somiaj | !tell bleat about nodm |
| 17:12.44 | bleat | somiaj: thanks! |
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| 17:13.33 | dvs | PSR_B1257: http://wiki.debian.org/rt2800pci |
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| 17:18.36 | ben1066 | hmm |
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| 17:18.58 | ben1066 | So i have my via c7 home server x86 and a x86-64 pc that is considerably more powerful |
| 17:19.05 | ben1066 | is there an easy way to cross compile the kerne |
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| 17:22.45 | Whiskey | Anyone good on batch try to do / 1="1 2 3 4": read | 1 2; and get 1 2 in var $1 / and 3 4 in var $2 |
| 17:23.15 | tremon | ben1066: I'm not sure you even need a cross-compiler for that |
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| 17:23.37 | Guest41813 | what about the update CDs |
| 17:23.44 | Guest41813 | There are already two DVDs |
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| 17:24.05 | Guest41813 | with 6.0.5 will I have to download both Update DVDs new or just the second one? |
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| 17:26.16 | diverdude | is debian available in a very light fast-installable non-gui version? |
| 17:26.21 | vot_republican | lol |
| 17:26.51 | diverdude | lol? |
| 17:27.10 | diverdude | why is that lollable? |
| 17:27.31 | eoke | diverdude: Short answer is yes very much so |
| 17:27.48 | diverdude | eoke: ok, nice. available on ISO? |
| 17:27.57 | jelly-home | diverdude: that's what the default image contains. Base system, nothing more. |
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| 17:28.24 | diverdude | oh nice |
| 17:29.14 | diverdude | ia64 is for intel computers? |
| 17:29.18 | dvs | nope |
| 17:29.21 | dvs | !ia64 |
| 17:29.22 | dpkg | Intel Itanium Architecture (formerly IA-64) is Intel's *other* 64-bit architecture. Itanium processors are primarily found in HP Integrity servers and are supported by Debian's ia64 port (http://www.debian.org/ports/ia64/). It is not the same as the AMD64 / Intel 64 / x86-64 chips used in PCs, ask me about <amd64>. |
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| 17:29.54 | diverdude | i have a 64 bit lenovo w520 running with I7 processor...which debian ISO should i then have? |
| 17:30.03 | tdrusk | diverdude: you probably want amd64 |
| 17:30.08 | dvs | diverdude: amd64 or 386 |
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| 17:30.18 | diverdude | 386 is for 32 bit no? |
| 17:30.23 | dvs | yup |
| 17:30.26 | tdrusk | diverdude: 386 will give you 32 bit, amd64 for 64 bit. |
| 17:30.27 | dvs | but it still works |
| 17:30.41 | diverdude | hm ok..well ill go for 64 :) |
| 17:30.47 | diverdude | amd64 it is then |
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| 17:31.10 | diverdude | w000t 52 CD's? |
| 17:31.44 | dvs | diverdude: you only need the first one if you have a WIRED internet connection |
| 17:31.55 | diverdude | ahh ok...i have |
| 17:32.11 | diverdude | lol i thought you said it was lightweight :D |
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| 17:32.24 | diverdude | 52 CDs is not really lightweight hehe |
| 17:32.29 | dvs | diverdude: That's everything in the distribution |
| 17:32.42 | dvs | diverdude: You cant install everything |
| 17:32.49 | eoke | diverdude: There's a netinst CD normally CD one that will download everything else it needs. |
| 17:32.58 | diverdude | dvs: i just need a shell and packet manager |
| 17:33.08 | dvs | diverdude: yeah, the netinst is the only one you need for an internet install |
| 17:33.26 | tdrusk | diverdude: yeah, so get netinst and uncheck desktop environment, standard, etc in the installer. |
| 17:34.35 | diverdude | cool |
| 17:34.37 | diverdude | downloading |
| 17:34.39 | diverdude | thx |
| 17:34.43 | dvs | np |
| 17:37.20 | optraz | abrotman: okay, iceweasel to 10.x |
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| 17:48.24 | abrotman | optraz: glad to hear that |
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| 17:57.18 | jkyle | morning |
| 17:57.34 | dvs | afternoon! |
| 17:57.39 | jkyle | I'm creating an ami image for my cloud, where could I find the cloud-init packages for debian squeeze? |
| 17:57.59 | jkyle | I'm googling, but all I've found so far is ubuntu |
| 17:58.32 | chrissbx | Hello. Where are you installing chromium from? Stable seems too old for some people (how's security?), and if I'm not mistaken, there's no chromium or chromium-browser in backports? |
| 17:59.32 | Rienzilla | security is fine. stable gets security updates until it's EOL (well after the release of the next stable) |
| 17:59.50 | Rienzilla | just no new features are added as soon as a stable release is released |
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| 18:01.51 | chrissbx | Well, 'Torne' on #chromium thinks it's impossible to do fixes on such an old version without the help of the original developers, and those don't support old versions, so it can't be secure. |
| 18:02.58 | dondelelcaro | chrissbx: there are backports of it, and in general, we backport security fixes |
| 18:03.59 | dondelelcaro | chrissbx: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?archive=both;src=chromium-browser;dist=stable;tag=security if you want to know what the current state of security bugs in chromium is |
| 18:04.22 | chrissbx | Well, I don't know who's right. Maybe Torne is wrong, maybe not. |
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| 18:05.54 | chrissbx | He said "The code the security issue is in may well appear not to exist in the old version, there may be no sign of any similar looking code at all, but the issue might still be there. This is a very real possibility in a project that lands thousands of changes a week and ships a new major version every six weeks." |
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| 18:06.06 | Rienzilla | backporting of security issues might not always be perfect, but I think in general security is better than in a system where new software is introduced much faster |
| 18:06.23 | Rienzilla | chrissbx: that may be true in some cases |
| 18:06.45 | dondelelcaro | chrissbx: that's certainly the case, but if you want a stable version of a not stable project, those are the breaks. |
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| 18:06.55 | Guest41813 | with 6.0.5 will I have to download both Update DVDs new or just the second one? (yes/no) |
| 18:07.03 | dondelelcaro | chrissbx: you're free to use a backport of the package, and if the backport isn't new enough, backport it yourself. |
| 18:07.23 | Guest41813 | if I already have the first update DVD from 6.0.4? |
| 18:07.24 | dvs | Guest41813: ??? YOu only need the 6.0.5 DVD |
| 18:07.30 | chrissbx | Well, I actually didn't like the UI when I last tried it; checking again. Thanks for your statements. |
| 18:07.46 | Rienzilla | (the flipside is that no new security issues will be incurred by adding new - less tested - code to the os) |
| 18:07.47 | Guest41813 | If I have 6.0.1 DVD + UPdate 1,2 6.0.4 |
| 18:07.48 | dondelelcaro | chrissbx: but Debian certainly does do the best job that it can of fixing know security vulnerabilities. See http://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/source-package/chromium-browser if you actually want the full list of all CVEs |
| 18:07.49 | chrissbx | Maybe Torne is only off with his saying "you do not want to run that (stable version)" :) |
| 18:08.05 | chrissbx | I'll take a look. Thanks. |
| 18:08.08 | tremon | Rienzilla: this is OT but I'd say that in a system where new software is introduced fast, the window of opportunity to exploit a bug may be smaller, but the amount of bugs will not be lower |
| 18:08.30 | Rienzilla | tremon: I agree with that |
| 18:08.31 | dvs | Guest41813: Ah, oh, you only need the update DVD if you already have a full version from a previous release. |
| 18:08.39 | dondelelcaro | (and considering that we have released *6*! DSAs for chromium-browser, a serious amount of work has been done) |
| 18:08.45 | Rienzilla | on the contrary, the number of bugs will probably be higher |
| 18:08.54 | dondelelcaro | Guest41813: you don't really even need the update DVDs if you have a network connection |
| 18:09.21 | dondelelcaro | Guest41813: the update DVD just contains packages which have been updated since the previous revision |
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| 18:09.40 | dvs | dondelelcaro: I thought it was all updates since 6.0.0? |
| 18:09.52 | dondelelcaro | dvs: it may be; I honestly haven't looked at the things |
| 18:09.53 | Guest41813 | i.e. 2 DVDs UPdate between 6.0.3 and 6.0.4, then? |
| 18:10.11 | nnatomltop | Speaking of security, how do you keep secure with all these Internet scripts and programs now days, like flash and Java based ones.. |
| 18:10.14 | Guest41813 | if there are< two Update DVDs for 6.0.4 |
| 18:10.15 | dondelelcaro | Guest41813: http://www.debian.org/CD/faq/#update-cd |
| 18:10.27 | Guest41813 | they can only be applied to 6.0.3, right? |
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| 18:10.55 | dondelelcaro | Guest41813: no, the update disks will update any release from 6.0.0 onward to the release that the update CD is for |
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| 18:11.06 | dondelelcaro | Guest41813: but why do you want the update DVD? Do you have a network connection? |
| 18:11.19 | Guest41813 | not for all computers |
| 18:11.33 | Guest41813 | here yes. |
| 18:11.36 | Guest41813 | over there no |
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| 18:12.16 | dondelelcaro | Guest41813: well, then you want both of the -update DVDs |
| 18:12.25 | Guest41813 | so update DVD #1 will not change as soon as an UPdate DVD#2 is released; right? |
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| 18:12.29 | dondelelcaro | Guest41813: so debian-update-6.0.4-amd64-DVD-1.iso and debian-update-6.0.4-amd64-DVD-2.iso |
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| 18:13.12 | Guest41813 | so DVD #1 will change as well; right? |
| 18:13.14 | dondelelcaro | Guest41813: nah, it'll change. There's no point in releasing packages on a DVD which have been superseeded by newer versions on the DVD |
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| 18:14.25 | Guest41813 | ? |
| 18:14.31 | Guest41813 | so DVD #1 will change as well; right? |
| 18:14.36 | Guest41813 | yes? |
| 18:14.36 | dondelelcaro | Guest41813: yes. |
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| 18:18.55 | chrissbx | Heh: with increasing age of the stable distribution, programs like chromium will have fewer open security issues (and probably fewer than current upstream); OTOH, there will probably also be an *increasing* number of *published* security holes that were missed by the Debian maintainers. |
| 18:19.10 | HJE841 | I'm trying to install a pkg - libxslt1-dev in squeezy, but it tells me to 'please insert the disc labeled...' is there a way around this ? |
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| 18:19.38 | somiaj | HJE841: do you have an internet connenction on the box? |
| 18:19.42 | dvs | HJE841: comment the cdrom lines out of your /etc/apt/sources.list file |
| 18:19.45 | chrissbx | So, if an attacker were to use knowledge of unpublished holes, Debian stable is a good protection. |
| 18:19.55 | HJE841 | somiaj, I do |
| 18:19.56 | chrissbx | If it's an attacker who uses public knowledge, then it might not be. |
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| 18:20.18 | somiaj | HJE841: then you don't need to use a cdrom as your sources, modify your sources.list and remove any cdrom sources and include internet sources |
| 18:20.23 | somiaj | !tell HJE841 about squeeze sources.list |
| 18:20.47 | somiaj | HJE841: apt-get update afterwards and you should be fine to install things directally from the net |
| 18:20.53 | jelly-home | chrissbx: on the other hand, if they're published, all you need to do is tell the security team where the fix is |
| 18:20.59 | chrissbx | I mean: if he were to use random holes he finds without checking published holes. |
| 18:21.04 | HJE841 | somiaj, thanks |
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| 18:21.46 | nyingen | so on this basically clean install of wheezy, iceweasel tries to open streaming media from Amazon (in the form of a .m3u) with 'brasero' |
| 18:21.49 | chrissbx | jelly-home: yeah, I kind of hope that the Google devs are at least open enough to help point out how to fix things in old versions. |
| 18:21.59 | nyingen | what program should be used for that? |
| 18:22.17 | kevlarman | sawgij: that would definitely explain why the fsf has a registered trademark on the gnu compiler collection |
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| 18:22.30 | kevlarman | sawgij: considering they don't distribute binaries of it |
| 18:22.44 | xuser | kevlarman: who? |
| 18:23.00 | kevlarman | err, whoops |
| 18:23.02 | kevlarman | wrong channel |
| 18:23.10 | kevlarman | sorry |
| 18:23.19 | dvs | !lart kevlarman |
| 18:23.19 | dpkg | drops a humongous exploding nuke on kevlarman |
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| 18:24.12 | jelly-home | !tell chrissbx about tracker of doom |
| 18:24.42 | jelly-home | chrissbx: useful if there's a CVE number assigned to an issue |
| 18:25.31 | chrissbx | Thanks |
| 18:25.42 | chrissbx | Hm I still can't find chromium in backports. http://packages.debian.org/search?suite=squeeze-backports&keywords=chromium |
| 18:26.01 | chrissbx | So maybe someone has backported it privately, but not in Debian backports. |
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| 18:27.03 | somiaj | chrissbx: make your own backport, /msg dpkg ssbp |
| 18:27.20 | somiaj | ,versions chorimum |
| 18:27.21 | judd | No package named 'chorimum' was found in i386. |
| 18:27.31 | somiaj | ,versions chromium |
| 18:27.32 | judd | Package: chromium on i386 -- lenny: 0.9.13.2-1; squeeze: 0.9.14.1-2; sid: 17.0.963.78~r125577-1; wheezy: 17.0.963.78~r125577-1 |
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| 18:27.44 | somiaj | ,check-backport chormium |
| 18:27.45 | judd | No package named 'chormium' was found in sid/i386. |
| 18:27.55 | somiaj | ,check-backport chromium |
| 18:28.02 | judd | Backporting package chromium in sid→squeeze/i386: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: gyp (>= 0.1~svn1119), libcups2-dev (>= 1.5.0), libwebp-dev, libv8-dev (>= 3.7). |
| 18:28.20 | somiaj | can't seem to type....but it looks like the backport takes some work because you will need a newer libcups, libwebp and gyp. |
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| 18:31.25 | HJE841 | now my fitPC2i box stalls at 'Starting MTA: exim4' during boot. any suggestions? |
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| 18:36.48 | HJE841 | ?? |
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| 18:40.14 | gihad | Is there an easy way to upgrade a mysql-server-5.1 installation to the mysql-server *cluster* version ? |
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| 18:41.14 | simonlnu | cluster version? enable replication... |
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| 18:41.39 | eoke | HJE841: How long are you giving it to start up? You may be having DNS resolution problems making it very slow to start. |
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| 18:44.20 | HJE841 | eoke, I had put in a custom script in rc.local and that didn't work. removing it made the difference |
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| 18:59.39 | gihad | How can I install mysql-cluster in debian squeeze ? |
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| 19:03.51 | val__ | I have installed debian wheezy amd64 in an laptop with NVIDIA- the GNOME3 works well except I cannot see some of the top menus text |
| 19:03.56 | val__ | can anyone help ? |
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| 19:05.21 | mns | val__: you've tried adjusting your monitor right ? the vertical and horizontal settings to line up what you see properly .. |
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| 19:06.54 | val__ | mns: everything looks right except letters on the top menu (and on the side) on GNOME3 |
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| 19:08.51 | tran4 | I'm a senior CS undergrad. student. I applied directly to a company for these co-op and intern positions: http://pastebin.com/LdAH6eaZ Are they worth doing? I have no reply from the company but did get contacted by a recruiter whose ad I also applied to (the ad didnt say he was a recruiter) who wants to talk to me about the co-op position. Should i respond to him? The recruiter's ad has $14 / hr listed. The other legit ad that had a li |
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| 19:09.22 | mns | that was the only thing I could think of. I dont use GNOME, but I've had parts of the edge cutting off and its needed some adjustment on the monitor itself. |
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| 19:11.22 | gihad | tran4: it might be worth it for the experience |
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| 19:12.01 | tran4 | gihad did you ever do something like that? what do you work in now? |
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| 19:13.01 | abrotman | tran4: gihad please move this to #debian-offtopic, thank you |
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| 19:15.43 | HardDisk_WP | hey |
| 19:15.55 | HardDisk_WP | how do i quickly delete a directory with a massive amount of files in it? |
| 19:16.01 | HardDisk_WP | my server got hit by a spambot atack |
| 19:17.10 | tremon | HardDisk_WP: eatmydata rm -fr path/ |
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| 19:17.34 | abrotman | you don't need the -f |
| 19:17.34 | HardDisk_WP | tremon, rm -rf is running for 10mins now |
| 19:17.48 | HardDisk_WP | it's doing something at least according to iotop |
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| 19:18.05 | tremon | abrotman: well, he didn't specify if the dirs or files were mode 4 or 6 |
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| 19:18.38 | tremon | HardDisk_WP: probably ext3 or xfs? |
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| 19:19.10 | HJE841 | how do you use chown? |
| 19:19.18 | abrotman | HJE841: man chown |
| 19:19.18 | ksuhku | HJE841, man chown |
| 19:19.21 | HardDisk_WP | ext3 |
| 19:19.26 | abrotman | HardDisk_WP: how many files are we talking? thousands? |
| 19:19.33 | abrotman | HardDisk_WP: and are messages still coming in ? |
| 19:19.36 | HardDisk_WP | abrotman, probably millions |
| 19:19.46 | HardDisk_WP | nah, i turned off the apache server and exim |
| 19:19.48 | abrotman | HardDisk_WP: 10 minutes is nothing |
| 19:20.02 | tremon | agrees |
| 19:20.20 | abrotman | HardDisk_WP: go get a nice lunch, run home, do laundry, come back check |
| 19:20.35 | ksuhku | wonders if remounting with atime disabled would have been a good idea? |
| 19:20.40 | HardDisk_WP | urgh, no faster way? |
| 19:20.49 | abrotman | ksuhku: files are being deleted |
| 19:21.00 | ksuhku | so no? |
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| 19:21.12 | abrotman | HardDisk_WP: generally, no .. if you use find+exec .. that spawns shells, will bbe slower |
| 19:21.24 | abrotman | ksuhku: it might be .. he could do it now if he really wanted |
| 19:21.30 | HardDisk_WP | :/ |
| 19:21.43 | abrotman | mount -o remount,rw,noatime foo |
| 19:22.06 | tremon | ksuhku: iirc the problem isn't atime, it's that in order to keep the filesystem consistent, every file removal will trigger an inode update and journal write. eatmydata will avoid the journal sync but not the metadata updates |
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| 19:22.41 | tremon | ext4 and reiser handle these removals differently iirc |
| 19:22.53 | ksuhku | tremon, abrotman thanks for the input |
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| 19:23.14 | abrotman | tremon: he'd also have to suspend the delete to enable backports, and install the package |
| 19:23.36 | tremon | abrotman: yes I wasn't suggesting he abort the current removal... |
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| 19:23.54 | val__ | I was trying to install nvidia proprietary and it screwed the wheezy - cannot log in X anymore - if I log into a console - how can I reset the xserver (did dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg) does not work |
| 19:24.14 | tremon | val__: rm /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 19:24.22 | valdyn | val__: you used nvidias installer? |
| 19:24.27 | tremon | val__: keep a backup |
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| 19:25.40 | val__ | valdyn: I used synaptic - but I did not install nvidia-xconfigure (or something like this - and now I cannot access anything in the network from cli) |
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| 19:26.22 | valdyn | val__: not even nvidias installer can break your network |
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| 19:33.11 | gihad | Can Debian handle laptops with switchable graphics (Radeon / Intel) well ? Is it out of the box ? |
| 19:33.44 | dondelelcaro | gihad: fairly well, yes. |
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| 19:34.38 | bdi | is it possible to make a "snapshot" so that i can write a command, and the system will revert back to a sepcific place which i specify? like i want to make a snapshot now that i have just installed...and at some point i can then revert to that state |
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| 19:34.59 | gihad | dondelelcaro: as long as I can switch between them without having to log out/in and when I'm using the intel card the batter performance is increased than it's all good. |
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| 19:36.07 | valdyn | bdi: you can do that with backups |
| 19:37.19 | bdi | valdyn: how so? Back up the entire system=? |
| 19:37.27 | valdyn | bdi: yes |
| 19:38.58 | valdyn | bdi: you want a cow snapshot, but this is not supported yet |
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| 19:40.44 | bdi | i see |
| 19:40.48 | bdi | hmm |
| 19:41.19 | tremon | bdi: you should be able to use lvm snapshots if you set up your system with lvm |
| 19:41.38 | valdyn | bdi: get a system up with a 3.2 kernel or later or a freebsd based system on zfs, then you can do the real thing |
| 19:42.00 | valdyn | bdi: lvm snapshots are fine but pretty much like backups ( they take alot of space and time to create ) |
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| 19:43.05 | bdi | ok...basically i just want it because im running this debian on a VM and i need to figure out how to install a package....so ill probably have to start over a lot of times...and takes a long time to install the system each time :/ |
| 19:43.33 | valdyn | bdi: ok |
| 19:43.47 | valdyn | bdi: for an experimental system this is not overly hard |
| 19:43.51 | hid3 | Hello everyone. Can someone explain me please why there was an update for Lenny one month after its EOL? |
| 19:44.20 | tremon | hid3: probably a patch roundup? |
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| 19:44.32 | bdi | valdyn: what do you mean? installing debian over and over again? |
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| 19:44.54 | tremon | bdi: what VM are you using that doesn't have snapshotting? |
| 19:44.55 | valdyn | bdi: its a vm, you can cp a vm snapshot image |
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| 19:45.09 | valdyn | bdi: or the vm itself supports snaphots directly |
| 19:45.13 | bdi | ohhh yeah ok...ofc..nice...its virtualbox |
| 19:45.28 | hid3 | tremon: but it's EOL!! Kinda strange. |
| 19:45.33 | valdyn | bdi: but even in the worst case you can just cp the vm image while its not running |
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| 19:46.51 | valdyn | hid3: as long as theres people contributing it can get updates one way or another |
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| 19:48.13 | hid3 | Well. There are some things in this life I'll never understand :( |
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| 19:49.24 | tremon | bdi: you might want to read http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO/snapshotintro.html -- specifically the part about using snapshots with Xen |
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| 19:52.11 | vot_republican | hey |
| 19:52.14 | vot_republican | ? |
| 19:52.32 | ksuhku | hid3, apparently some people believe in after-end-of-life |
| 19:52.32 | vot_republican | des deb now hav rolling release liek archlinux? |
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| 19:52.46 | jhutchins_wk | vot_republican: Not really. |
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| 19:54.28 | vot_republican | debian seems to be on the upswing in popularity I see from inside hardcore sysadmin jobs |
| 19:54.48 | vot_republican | I didn't know until recently that ebay was a deb shop |
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| 19:55.22 | jelly-home | what does a hardcore sysadmin job make |
| 19:56.04 | kevlarman | jelly-home: depends on location obviously |
| 19:56.18 | cornerse | know how on DBs required. |
| 19:57.11 | jelly-home | kevlarman: pick any location! |
| 19:57.27 | tremon | jelly-home: that's one with dip switches on a usb connector |
| 19:57.49 | kevlarman | jelly-home: does it count if i'm a developer that has been stuck migrating servers for the past 2 weeks? :P |
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| 19:58.42 | kevlarman | (and the most recent set to ubuntu :(, don't have time to figure out how to install debian in ec2) |
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| 19:59.38 | somiaj | kevlarman: debootstrap makes creating custom ec2 images fairly easy. (: |
| 20:00.09 | kevlarman | somiaj: office has too crappy a connection to make that an option |
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| 20:00.47 | somiaj | kevlarman: so take a ubuntu image, and build the image on the cloud..it is what I did when I was playing with the cloud a few years ago. |
| 20:00.57 | kevlarman | and i don't really want custom images, i want a stock system |
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| 20:02.21 | kevlarman | somiaj: also ubuntu has mirrors in s3 |
| 20:02.38 | kevlarman | it really sucks but i think i'm stuck with this |
| 20:02.52 | jelly-home | kevlarman: hey, it's Debian's own fault that they didn't bother to create official images! |
| 20:03.29 | kevlarman | if they existed i would be really happy |
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| 20:03.51 | jelly-home | except that on the other hand, Debian is just a bunch of volunteers, you want something, go and make it |
| 20:04.11 | hid3 | It's time for Debian to become a company |
| 20:04.15 | hid3 | like Nginx did |
| 20:04.33 | daemonkeeper | Only that that's impssible. |
| 20:04.37 | daemonkeeper | (and off-topic) |
| 20:05.00 | hid3 | it might be off-topic ATM but it's on long-term topic |
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| 20:05.53 | tremon | hid3: there's a channel for that |
| 20:06.47 | kevlarman | jelly-home: there are unofficial images, but they do funky things like use ubuntu kernels |
| 20:07.25 | somiaj | I didn't think you would be able to use an actual debian kernel on ec2, aren't you stuck to the kernels aws provides you? |
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| 20:09.33 | jelly-home | kevlarman: that doesn't sound too problematic. Most my machines used to have custom kernels, and I didn't shy off calling them Debian |
| 20:09.41 | bdi | valdyn: thx for the tip |
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| 20:10.08 | noravu | http://sealab.biz/misc/tf2.txt <-- Is anything in here considered bad practice, or am I otherwise "doing it wrong"? |
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| 20:19.18 | Morgawr | hello, how do I find which version of lib<name> have I installed with apt-get? |
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| 20:19.31 | Morgawr | I mean, I have a lib package (for development purposes), how do I find out which version is it? |
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| 20:20.58 | klync | Morgawr: `dpkg-query -S /path/to/some/file` |
| 20:21.07 | klync | Morgawr: see also `dpkg-query --help` |
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| 20:23.01 | Morgawr | klync: it's not really working.. I want to find out the version of libelf... |
| 20:23.18 | Morgawr | I tried that command on /urs/lib/libelf.so but it just outputs "libelf.so" |
| 20:23.20 | Morgawr | :| |
| 20:23.28 | ksuhku | Morgawr, how bout apt-cache policy <packagename> |
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| 20:23.46 | nand` | http://pastebin.com/1htzAY56 <- any ideas? |
| 20:23.56 | Morgawr | ksuhku: okay, it worked! :) thanks |
| 20:23.57 | nand` | this is when trying to print a test page on a Canon PIXMA MG6150 |
| 20:24.11 | ksuhku | Morgawr, glad to hear |
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| 20:25.19 | phogg | Morgawr: I use dpkg -S /path/to/file, or apt-file search |
| 20:25.55 | vot_republican | terry pratchett is really awful no |
| 20:25.58 | vot_republican | now |
| 20:26.01 | vot_republican | er |
| 20:26.04 | vot_republican | terry brooks |
| 20:26.09 | vot_republican | whoever wrote teh elfstones |
| 20:26.16 | vot_republican | broosk ya |
| 20:26.18 | naptastic | Can I just... turn off persistent ethernet device names? |
| 20:26.24 | vot_republican | after the elfstones all downhill |
| 20:26.30 | Morgawr | vot_republican: I like terry brooks :) |
| 20:26.33 | vot_republican | the sahdowwen series so awful wanted puke |
| 20:26.34 | phogg | vot_republican: brooks, yes. Also, topical? |
| 20:26.43 | vot_republican | and morgawyr went dwon so easy for an archvillian |
| 20:26.44 | vot_republican | boo |
| 20:26.45 | vot_republican | lame |
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| 20:29.53 | vot_republican | seomthign happened in the 90s |
| 20:29.57 | vot_republican | many authros went to crap |
| 20:30.04 | vot_republican | moorcock also must have ghost writers |
| 20:30.25 | vot_republican | cadbury peantu buter eggs dopeness |
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| 20:30.49 | dvs | !ops vot_republican is spamming |
| 20:30.49 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: dvs complains about: vot_republican is spamming |
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| 20:32.28 | vot_republican | oh come now |
| 20:32.39 | vot_republican | we have not ever discussed mogileFS and alternatives |
| 20:32.48 | vot_republican | which is why I really came here |
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| 20:35.25 | naptastic | Embarassing question: How do I check what version of Debian I'm running? |
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| 20:35.35 | Woet | naptastic: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 20:35.38 | naptastic | ty |
| 20:35.39 | vot_republican | uname -a |
| 20:35.45 | naptastic | vot_republican, nope |
| 20:35.48 | Woet | vot_republican: .. what? |
| 20:35.55 | Woet | vot_republican: he's asking Debian, not kernel. |
| 20:36.22 | naptastic | :-) |
| 20:36.38 | vot_republican | with archlinux i have 3.2.9 kernel |
| 20:36.45 | naptastic | Do most / all distros have something like that they do? |
| 20:37.00 | Woet | naptastic: you mean like /etc/debian_version? |
| 20:37.19 | Woet | vot_republican: i'll be able to sleep better knowing that, thanks. |
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| 20:38.15 | vot_republican | www.archlinux.org |
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| 20:38.59 | polyurethane | Hello, I need helpt urgently please. I am trying to open /etc/resolve.conf on my debian VPS but it's saying "nano, command not found" - I'm trying to do nano /etc/resolve.conf? |
| 20:39.05 | robokop | naptastic: you can hope something like lsb-release is installed |
| 20:39.45 | LeLutin | can anyone help me out with disk encryption ? |
| 20:39.51 | Woet | polyurethane: simple question, have you installed nano? |
| 20:39.53 | naptastic | polyurethane, do apt-get install nano? |
| 20:40.11 | ksuhku | naptastic, quite a few will have /etc/lsb-release |
| 20:40.26 | Woet | polyurethane: and it's /etc/resolv.conf, not /etc/resolve.conf |
| 20:40.43 | nsadmin | vot_republican, thanks for telling us (as millions before have already) the url of a different dist... |
| 20:40.52 | polyurethane | Uhh the problem is i'm trying to apt-get update but it's not downloading because it's telling me the links I'm trying to update from are dead |
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| 20:41.23 | polyurethane | please take a look at this: http://pastebin.com/axHbHXft |
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| 20:41.35 | polyurethane | could the problem be on my providers side? I e-mailed them and they just told me to edit the solv.conf |
| 20:41.52 | ksuhku | naptastic, the true answer to your question however can be found out by taking a look at your sources.list |
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| 20:42.24 | nsadmin | polyurethane, pick another mirror |
| 20:42.29 | dvs | polyurethane: Changing your /etc/resolv.conf file is a reasonable request |
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| 20:43.00 | naptastic | ksuhku, d'oh! Of course! :-D |
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| 20:43.57 | polyurethane | god this is so frustrating |
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| 20:44.26 | Woet | polyurethane: why don't you use a different editor than nano? |
| 20:44.34 | Woet | polyurethane: replace nano with vi, vim or pico |
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| 20:44.46 | Woet | polyurethane: and if all of that fails too, just use echo and pipe it to the file |
| 20:45.05 | nsadmin | nano is contributing to this problem?! |
| 20:45.07 | polyurethane | I don't even have vi installed, I have ed/vim |
| 20:45.14 | dvs | same thing |
| 20:45.20 | polyurethane | gah @ shitty vps providers - |
| 20:45.21 | Woet | polyurethane: echo "nameserver 8.8.8.8" > /etc/resolv.conf |
| 20:45.21 | polyurethane | -_- |
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| 20:45.34 | Woet | polyurethane: then your apt-get update will work and then you can install nano and edit it properly |
| 20:45.57 | polyurethane | It worked! |
| 20:45.58 | nsadmin | nano is in the base, is it not? |
| 20:45.59 | polyurethane | Hooray |
| 20:46.06 | dvs | !beer polyurethane |
| 20:46.06 | Woet | nsadmin: not in minimal, which most vps hosts use |
| 20:46.06 | dpkg | pulls out a fine Jever for polyurethane |
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| 20:46.21 | polyurethane | thanks a lot Woet :-] |
| 20:46.22 | Woet | dvs: but but but I helped him :( |
| 20:46.25 | polyurethane | kudos to you! |
| 20:46.25 | swan | hihi |
| 20:46.34 | Woet | polyurethane: now stop using silly openvz hosts and find one with xen/kvm instead |
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| 20:46.36 | dvs | Woet: No beer for you! |
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| 20:47.02 | Woet | polyurethane: actually, is this an openvz host? |
| 20:47.06 | nsadmin | Woet and you also bought h, a beer! |
| 20:47.39 | Braniac | hid3, did anyone here know how to install gufw on a debian machine??? |
| 20:48.05 | Woet | Braniac: apt-get install gufw |
| 20:48.08 | nsadmin | \Woet I think the one I use uses xen |
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| 20:49.31 | Morgawr | okay... I have installed libelf from the repository (debian stable) and I am getting problems using it, it says "unknown version" when running elf_update()... I looked around and it said I needed the latest version. I compiled it and installed it, but now it says "unknown command ELF_C_*" when doing elf_begin(). Does anyone have any idea how I can get libelf to work correctly? |
| 20:49.49 | nsadmin | , versions gufw |
| 20:49.50 | judd | Package: gufw on i386 -- squeeze: 9.10.2-1; sid: 11.04.2-1; wheezy: 11.04.2-1 |
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| 20:50.01 | nsadmin | looks easy to me |
| 20:50.04 | Braniac | Woet: thanks, it seems that install gufw and ufw |
| 20:50.05 | Braniac | but |
| 20:50.13 | Braniac | when i am about to start the service |
| 20:50.42 | nsadmin | you get called away by a beer? |
| 20:50.48 | Braniac | Woet: it says "Skip starting firewall: ufw (not enabled)...done." |
| 20:51.14 | Braniac | Woet: i am desesperate, any help would be very grateful |
| 20:51.23 | nsadmin | look in /etc/default |
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| 20:51.35 | Woet | Braniac: https://help.ubuntu.com/8.04/serverguide/C/firewall.html |
| 20:51.45 | Woet | Braniac: "First, ufw needs to be enabled. From a terminal prompt enter:" |
| 20:52.01 | Woet | Braniac: most documentation at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UFW |
| 20:52.16 | Woet | Braniac: be sure to have a backup plan incase the firewall blocks you out :) |
| 20:53.17 | Braniac | Woat: thanks, when i write "ufw enable" with root it returns "ERROR: problem running ufw-init" |
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| 20:54.07 | indigo | i'm looking at a source package (cluster-glue) that has a patch in debian/patches, which the changelog says is disabled. I'd like to re-enable it before building - where do I do that? |
| 20:54.12 | Braniac | Woat: did you actualli have "gufw" installed on your virtual machine???, how did you do that??? |
| 20:54.16 | Woet | Braniac: guess #ubuntu is more appropriate |
| 20:54.25 | Woet | Braniac: no, I use csf as firewall. |
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| 20:54.53 | Braniac | Woat: then, thanks anyway |
| 20:54.58 | oznt | hi everyone, i am struggling for more than a month to find why upgrading bluez from 4.96 to 4.98 breaks my bluetooth support for the speakers |
| 20:55.10 | oznt | does anyone hear use debian with bluetooths speakers??? |
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| 21:00.44 | Morgawr | okay... I have installed libelf from the repository (debian stable) and I am getting problems using it, it says "unknown version" when running elf_update()... I looked around and it said I needed the latest version. I compiled it and installed it, but now it says "unknown command ELF_C_*" when doing elf_begin(). Does anyone have any idea how I can get libelf to work correctly? |
| 21:01.09 | vot_republican | aptitude |
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| 21:01.20 | vot_republican | or reboot |
| 21:01.24 | Morgawr | what |
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| 21:01.57 | tremon | Morgawr: somehow I get the impression that you don't know what you're doing, but maybe that's just me |
| 21:02.03 | Mirrakor | Hi there, I used to run lighttpd on a small headless machine, due to a power failure it rebootet, but now it doesn't start automaticly anymore, when I try to start it with /etc/init.d/lighttpd start, it fails: "(server.c.588) No configuration available. Try using -f option", but the config files exist, what changed/can I do? :/ |
| 21:02.03 | tremon | what are you trying to do? |
| 21:02.04 | Woet | Morgawr: ignore vot_republican, he's a troll. |
| 21:02.21 | Morgawr | tremon: I'm trying to use libelf to modify and create ELF binaries |
| 21:02.22 | Woet | !ops vot_republican continues spamming/trolling/giving wrong answers/etc. |
| 21:02.23 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: woet complains about: vot_republican continues spamming/trolling/giving wrong answers/etc. |
| 21:02.24 | Morgawr | I'm following a guide |
| 21:02.26 | Morgawr | it's really simple |
| 21:02.39 | Morgawr | the problem is that when I call a simple function (straight out of the tutorial) it just says "unkown version" |
| 21:02.46 | tremon | Morgawr: apparently it's less simple than the guide makes it seem :) |
| 21:02.46 | Morgawr | somebody pointed out that it's a problem in an outdated library |
| 21:02.53 | Morgawr | so I compiled the newest version |
| 21:03.01 | Morgawr | and now I'm getting some problems of compatibility it seems |
| 21:03.06 | tremon | Morgawr: did you recompile your program after updating your library? |
| 21:03.06 | Morgawr | but I have no idea what the problem is |
| 21:03.10 | Morgawr | yes |
| 21:03.12 | themill | vot_republican: please play elsewhere. |
| 21:03.41 | Morgawr | http://knol.google.com/k/creating-elf-relocatable-object-files-in-linux# look at the end of the guide, somebody posted a comment with the problem I had |
| 21:03.44 | Morgawr | I followed his advice |
| 21:03.47 | tremon | Morgawr: then you should get a compile error, not runtime. Unless libelf itself has an undeclared dependency somewhere |
| 21:03.51 | Morgawr | but now I get compatibility problems |
| 21:04.33 | redhead88 | Earlier today I compiled a custom built verision of cups X andnnow i can' |
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| 21:05.17 | redhead88 | t get it started should I reinstall or try a apt-get install -f |
| 21:05.54 | redhead88 | The compile was done from sources provided on the cups website |
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| 21:08.50 | tremon | Morgawr: so, to make sure I'm understanding you correctly: you are a software developer and you are trying to compile something you copied off the 'net. That copied won't compile with the version currently in Debian, so you compiled and installed your own version, only to be hit by another, different error. So far correct? |
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| 21:09.17 | polyurethane | lol |
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| 21:09.24 | Morgawr | it's not "something I copied off the 'net" |
| 21:09.28 | Morgawr | it's the source package with the latest version |
| 21:09.34 | Morgawr | but everything else, yes correct |
| 21:09.45 | tremon | Morgawr: that was the part I wasn't sure about :) |
| 21:09.46 | redhead88 | yes Morgawr |
| 21:10.23 | tremon | have you asked dpkg about ssbp yet? |
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| 21:10.53 | Morgawr | tremon: what's that? |
| 21:11.04 | tremon | !tell Morgawr about ssbp |
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| 21:11.35 | tremon | ^^ the preferred method to get newer versions of packages onto a Debian stable system |
| 21:11.44 | vot_republican | ah yes |
| 21:11.54 | rhialt0 | ah yes |
| 21:12.04 | tremon | I think the problem you're currently facing is due to missing dependencies |
| 21:12.07 | Morgawr | tremon: I haven't checked on debian-backports actually |
| 21:12.12 | Morgawr | probably |
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| 21:12.25 | tremon | did you do apt-get build-dep libelf=<your-current-version>? |
| 21:12.42 | redhead88 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:12.58 | Morgawr | nope, I'm not really good at handling this whole dpkg/apt-get stuff... I come from a gentoo background so I'm more used to compiling everything from source |
| 21:13.09 | Morgawr | I apologize if I'm asking really stupid questions |
| 21:13.09 | dvs | redhead88: you can download it from Oracle if you want. |
| 21:13.24 | valdyn | !tell redhead88 -about java-package |
| 21:13.42 | dvs | Morgawr: gentoo? Blasphemy! ;-) |
| 21:13.44 | tremon | Morgawr: the questions aren't stupid, I'm probably just a bit slow :) |
| 21:14.39 | Morgawr | tremon: I'm trying using backports :) |
| 21:14.52 | Morgawr | oh hey! it worked! |
| 21:14.54 | Morgawr | amazing! |
| 21:14.57 | Morgawr | thanks tremon, really |
| 21:15.02 | tremon | lol :) |
| 21:15.09 | tremon | ,versions libelf1 |
| 21:15.10 | judd | Package: libelf1 on i386 -- lenny: 0.131-4; squeeze: 0.148-1; wheezy: 0.152-1+b1; sid: 0.153-1 |
| 21:15.25 | tremon | ,versions libelfg0 |
| 21:15.25 | judd | Package: libelfg0 on i386 -- lenny: 0.8.10-2; squeeze: 0.8.13-1; sid: 0.8.13-3; wheezy: 0.8.13-3 |
| 21:15.48 | tremon | too bad judd doesn't seem to know about a version in backports.. |
| 21:16.04 | Morgawr | tremon: all I know is that it works now :) |
| 21:16.07 | Morgawr | thanks for the help |
| 21:16.17 | tremon | yw |
| 21:16.19 | dvs | ,backport-versions libelf1 |
| 21:16.31 | dvs | guess not |
| 21:16.41 | themill | if it's in backports, judd will list it |
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| 21:18.29 | polyurethane | E: You don't have enough free space in /var/cache/apt/archives/. |
| 21:18.30 | polyurethane | What do? |
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| 21:18.48 | dvs | polyurethane: apt-cache clean |
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| 21:18.50 | dvs | ? |
| 21:19.07 | polyurethane | E: Invalid operation clean |
| 21:19.18 | tremon | s/cache/get/ |
| 21:19.28 | polyurethane | I tried apt-get |
| 21:19.29 | dvs | polyurethane: apt-get clean |
| 21:19.32 | dvs | sorry |
| 21:19.43 | polyurethane | now it worked, thanks dvs :-) |
| 21:19.48 | dvs | np |
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| 21:20.36 | polyurethane | taking so long to install gnome desktop enviroment -_- |
| 21:21.05 | redhead88 | dvs are ythere ant good open jdk63/7 |
| 21:21.06 | dvs | polyurethane: Depending on what you choose, it's probably installing EVERY gnome app. |
| 21:21.14 | polyurethane | yeah it installed like 799 new stuff |
| 21:21.18 | nathan0n5ire | Whenever I suspend my laptop it crashes |
| 21:21.28 | nathan0n5ire | Im using the latest stable debian squeeze |
| 21:21.28 | polyurethane | can I choose to ONLY install gnome desktop enviroments with only the system tools? dv_ |
| 21:21.30 | polyurethane | dvs* |
| 21:21.36 | dvs | redhead88: openjdk is the only one I use. |
| 21:21.38 | naptastic | nathan0n5ire, yes it does... |
| 21:21.40 | nathan0n5ire | and there is nothing incriminating it my logs |
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| 21:22.13 | naptastic | nathan0n5ire, of all the machines I've run Linux on, I only have one that suspends successfully, and it only resumes about 2/3 of the time |
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| 21:22.42 | polyurethane | can I choose to ONLY install gnome desktop enviroments with only the system tools? dvs |
| 21:22.51 | naptastic | nathan0n5ire, not to poop on your point... I wish I could help... but I think there is probably not a solution to your suspend issue. |
| 21:23.00 | darkelfjuggalo | Somiaj, you here? |
| 21:23.23 | dvs | polyurethane: aptitude install gnome-core |
| 21:23.51 | redhead88 | when i untar the jdk-7u3-linux-x64.tar.gz sun provide tar.gz file i get a jre1.6.0_03 folder how would i tell update-altenativers to look in nthat subfoldre under /usr/java? |
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| 21:23.56 | polyurethane | does this come with the system tools and interface dvs? |
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| 21:24.25 | dvs | polyurethane: I don't know what you mean by "system tools" but it installs the GUI itself. |
| 21:24.32 | polyurethane | alright |
| 21:24.42 | Whiskey | lol |
| 21:24.50 | polyurethane | if I cancel the current installation (it's still installing); will it all be reversed dvs? |
| 21:24.54 | Whiskey | Ctrl-C and CTRL-Z are two commands |
| 21:24.58 | darkelfjuggalo | I guess he isn't, anyone here that remembers him walking me through Installing GRUB via the Netinstall in Concole? |
| 21:25.12 | Whiskey | CTRL-C kill and CTRL-Z place program in background right |
| 21:25.15 | dvs | polyurethane: What? Are you using the installer? |
| 21:25.34 | polyurethane | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:25.36 | polyurethane | that's what I wrote |
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| 21:26.02 | dvs | polyurethane: Yeah, it'll probably remember what you selected. |
| 21:26.07 | polyurethane | gah |
| 21:26.12 | nathan0n5ire | sorry my net died |
| 21:26.13 | naptastic | From the command-line... how would I find what version of a package I have, what old versions are available, and force one of the older versions? |
| 21:26.13 | tremon | polyurethane: killing an apt-get run will not undo the installation, it will just abort it halfway |
| 21:26.29 | tremon | naptastic: apt-cache policy |
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| 21:26.45 | tremon | naptastic: and apt-get install pkg=<version-you-want> |
| 21:26.57 | tremon | erm |
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| 21:27.07 | tremon | naptastic: the first one is apt-cache policy pkg |
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| 21:27.12 | nathan0n5ire | is it possible to try to cocerce the computer into suspending properly or it it that when it doesn't work by default if doesnt work at all? |
| 21:27.19 | naptastic | tremon, I was just about to ask :-) |
| 21:27.31 | darkelfjuggalo | Can someone walk me through Installing GRUB via Console through Netinstall USB? |
| 21:28.06 | redhead88 | dvs, Where would i place the jdk1.7.0_03/ & jre1.7.0_03 folders on a 64bit instyall of debain? |
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| 21:28.22 | tremon | redhead88: /opt |
| 21:28.32 | dvs | or /usr/local (old school) |
| 21:28.37 | naptastic | tremon, and if the only "candidate" listed = the one I have installed, does that mean no old versions are available? |
| 21:28.59 | tremon | !tell naptastic about snapshot |
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| 21:29.21 | naptastic | googles debian snapshot ;-) |
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| 21:32.51 | valdyn | nathan0n5ire: about every suspending computer does so succussfully only due to a list of workarounds that are done. You can modify those workarounds |
| 21:33.23 | rhialt0 | anyone here use deb box as router? |
| 21:33.38 | cornerse | you can with dhcp-server. |
| 21:33.56 | valdyn | cornerse: that does not make it a router more than any other program |
| 21:34.13 | valdyn | mazzarin: ask your real question |
| 21:34.29 | mazzarin | Along all the avatarra of the 4 ages there was no doubt that Mazzarin was the most powerful, and his death in the wind age was the most saliet victory of the dark. |
| 21:35.29 | mazzarin | The 7th wave of stamping hacking undead thrall climbed over the piled dead and asencted toward the abttlemenets, and the MAzzzarin saw the watcher with them, and at LAST knew the number o fthis DAYS!! |
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| 21:38.19 | mazzarin | " ... the seventh wave of Thrall stumbled and climbed over the slippery, piled dead and Mazzarin saw The Watcher with them and at last knew the number of his days." |
| 21:38.26 | mazzarin | this to me is enuf to make a movie around |
| 21:38.28 | mazzarin | oh eyy yah |
| 21:38.43 | phogg | mazzarin: topicality? |
| 21:38.54 | buntunub | welcome to my ignore list mazzrin! |
| 21:39.21 | dvs | mazzarin used to be vot_republican |
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| 21:42.47 | polyurethane | dvs |
| 21:42.51 | polyurethane | http://pastebin.com/rjnihTGk |
| 21:42.53 | polyurethane | what's the problem? |
| 21:43.08 | mazzarin | anyone here extensively use softraid? |
| 21:43.17 | dvs | polyurethane: you ran out of disk space |
| 21:43.21 | mazzarin | like for rather alrge raid 10 setups with psotgresql on top adn busy? |
| 21:43.25 | polyurethane | umm |
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| 21:43.39 | polyurethane | dvs: I have 50GB hard disk space and it says it's only using 1.02gb on the panel? |
| 21:43.59 | dvs | polyurethane: If you have a terminal open, try "df -h" |
| 21:44.43 | polyurethane | dvs: http://pastebin.com/z8ECYiyw |
| 21:44.53 | polyurethane | why do I only have 1GB |
| 21:44.54 | polyurethane | wtf |
| 21:45.13 | polyurethane | guess I have to e-mail them again.. -_- |
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| 21:45.29 | mazzarin | if lvm then beward fdisk and us eparted |
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| 21:45.38 | polyurethane | what? |
| 21:45.57 | dvs | polyurethane: Yeah, you only have 1GB of space total |
| 21:46.11 | polyurethane | :S |
| 21:46.35 | mazzarin | I found that lvm will happily use a 3T disk as 2T |
| 21:46.42 | mazzarin | due to limits of fdisk |
| 21:46.45 | mazzarin | so beware |
| 21:46.48 | mazzarin | and use parted |
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| 21:49.38 | redhead88 | update-alternatives: error: unknown argument `-install |
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| 21:50.03 | redhead88 | is eroor message i receive from running nds) |
| 21:50.03 | redhead88 | * fdovi |
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| 21:51.51 | polyurethane | dvs: is there any way I can solve this by myself? |
| 21:51.52 | polyurethane | mazzarin ^ |
| 21:52.17 | dvs | polyurethane: What are you installing to? |
| 21:52.26 | polyurethane | not sure what you're saying but: debian/vps |
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| 21:52.35 | polyurethane | asking* |
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| 22:00.42 | mazzarin | parted |
| 22:00.43 | mazzarin | not fdisk |
| 22:00.45 | mazzarin | I reccomend |
| 22:01.03 | polyurethane | how do? |
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| 22:03.09 | mazzarin | man parted |
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| 22:17.42 | darkelfjuggalo | How do I install GRUB through a Console? [I am in the NetInstall installer Via a USB, and the GRUB failed] |
| 22:17.53 | tompaw | Hello, can someone share with me a super secret location of debian lenny 32bit netinstall iso? Thank you. |
| 22:18.02 | tompaw | debian.org's links 404 unfortunately. |
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| 22:21.59 | gnarface | tomaw: now it doesn't. you're clearly not looking in the right place |
| 22:22.14 | tomaw | looks lower down |
| 22:22.15 | gnarface | tompaw: no it doesn't. you're clearly not looking in the right place |
| 22:22.21 | gnarface | tomaw: sorry, ignore me |
| 22:22.28 | gnarface | tompaw: http://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst |
| 22:22.29 | tomaw | hehe, will do :) |
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| 22:23.51 | jhutchins_lt | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.4/i386/iso-cd/debian-6.0.4-i386-netinst.iso |
| 22:24.16 | gnarface | i want to know what link he tried that he claims 404's |
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| 22:25.06 | jhutchins_lt | tomaw: What link was 404 so we can get it fixed? |
| 22:26.38 | gnarface | tompaw: ^^^ |
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| 22:33.27 | girishr | a packaging question: does apt look for packages.gz in binary-<arch>/ ? (atleast that's the case in ubuntu) |
| 22:33.57 | dondelelcaro | girishr: depends on the type of archive |
| 22:34.31 | girishr | dondelelcaro: you mean the trivial and the non-trivial one? |
| 22:35.03 | girishr | ok, auto vs trivial repo |
| 22:35.12 | dondelelcaro | girishr: in the non-trivial, that's where the Packages file should be. |
| 22:35.20 | dondelelcaro | girishr: it also looks at binary-all/Packages.gz, of course. |
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| 22:40.24 | girishr | dondelelcaro: and what makes apt look into binary-i386 and binary-amd64 ? |
| 22:40.39 | JJCale | hi ppl |
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| 22:40.54 | girishr | dondelelcaro: somehow enabling multilib enables that, i guess? |
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| 22:41.17 | girishr | because right now it's complaining about missing Packages.gz in binary-i386/ on my amd64 |
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| 22:43.28 | doug | what's the chance someone's got a libwebkitqt.so that's newer than 4.6.3 hanging out? |
| 22:43.32 | doug | for 64-bit... |
| 22:44.04 | gnarface | ,files libwebkitqt.so |
| 22:44.23 | abrotman | doug: where'd you get that package? |
| 22:44.44 | girishr | and where should noarch packages me placed? |
| 22:44.55 | doug | hm, i think it's part of libqt4 |
| 22:45.02 | abrotman | judd: file libwebkitqt.so --release sid |
| 22:45.08 | abrotman | doug: for which version of Linux ? |
| 22:45.09 | judd | No packages in sid/i386 were found with that file. |
| 22:46.00 | doug | abrotman: this guy reports Linux debian-boxy 2.6.32-5-amd64 |
| 22:46.14 | abrotman | judd: file libwebkitqt.so --release squeeze |
| 22:46.19 | judd | No packages in squeeze/i386 were found with that file. |
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| 22:46.30 | doug | let me make sure i've got the name right... |
| 22:46.42 | abrotman | doug: are you sure that's the filename? it's not in squeeze/wheezy/sid |
| 22:47.05 | redhead88 | if i wanted to make A usb stick to user to configure abcm4312 wifi nic at\ install whaich package would mi need to ppull onto said thumbdrive? |
| 22:47.10 | doug | ah, sorry: libQtWebKit.so |
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| 22:47.59 | abrotman | doug: okay .. anyway .. you'd have to backport that from another version of Debian, and i'd guess it's a mildly core library for KDE .. not sure how smart that is |
| 22:48.05 | abrotman | doug: why are you looking for just that file ? |
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| 22:48.34 | doug | abrotman: arora uses it for its webkit web browser, and the extant version doesn't support websockets |
| 22:48.48 | ajithkanu | Hello is it ok to download the #debian channel log using wget? |
| 22:48.52 | doug | which the thing i'm working on requires |
| 22:49.06 | abrotman | ajithkanu: you should contact the hoster, but probably not .. why would you want it ? |
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| 22:50.01 | polyurethane | dvs: the fault was on their side |
| 22:50.20 | dvs | polyurethane: sorry, the connection cut off so I ate |
| 22:50.29 | polyurethane | it's ok :) i have 50gb now |
| 22:50.39 | dvs | not enough! ;-) |
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| 22:53.57 | polyurethane | I don't really need it for more dvs :p |
| 22:53.58 | polyurethane | It's a VPS |
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| 23:00.29 | polyurethane | dvs |
| 23:00.34 | dvs | zzzzzzzz |
| 23:00.36 | polyurethane | http://pastebin.com/4uXNm323 |
| 23:00.38 | polyurethane | why is this happening? |
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| 23:01.38 | dondelelcaro | polyurethane: what happens when you just run /usr/lib/apt/methods/gpgv? |
| 23:02.05 | polyurethane | dondelelcaro: http://pastebin.com/ijAzGB4s |
| 23:02.05 | polyurethane | i get that |
| 23:02.23 | dondelelcaro | hrm... that looks normal |
| 23:02.38 | phogg | probably good to get gpgv docs and check for RC=100 |
| 23:02.59 | polyurethane | how do ph8 |
| 23:03.01 | polyurethane | phogg* |
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| 23:03.58 | phogg | polyurethane: probably something's in the source package. Sadly a lot of programs don't fully document, so you have to read some source to get details. |
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| 23:05.21 | dondelelcaro | polyurethane: gpgv really shouldn't exit with 100. run strace -ff apt-get update > logfile.txt 2>&1; and paste the result |
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| 23:05.49 | polyurethane | alright one minute dondelelcaro i'm restarting |
| 23:07.14 | polyurethane | root@vps17:~# -ff apt-get update > logfile.txt 2>&1 |
| 23:07.15 | polyurethane | root@vps17:~# |
| 23:07.16 | polyurethane | dondelelcaro ^ |
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| 23:08.04 | dondelelcaro | polyurethane: you're missing the strace. |
| 23:08.18 | dondelelcaro | polyurethane: and the file we want to see is the logfile.txt; use a paste site to paste it. |
| 23:08.34 | polyurethane | http://pastebin.com/Sn7MNfCr |
| 23:08.37 | polyurethane | I just copied what you wrote |
| 23:08.42 | polyurethane | ohh |
| 23:08.43 | polyurethane | strace |
| 23:09.09 | polyurethane | I still get nothing |
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| 23:12.49 | DeusEx | hello everybody |
| 23:13.06 | phogg | hi dr nick |
| 23:13.14 | dvs | heh |
| 23:13.52 | DeusEx | what do i have to do if I want to add a newer kernel instead of replacing the new one, so i've got both at boot? |
| 23:14.14 | dvs | DeusEx: you install a newer kernel package/ |
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| 23:14.35 | DeusEx | apt-get install linux-image-<arch> just replaces the older one |
| 23:14.50 | dvs | DeusEx: Depends on the version of the kernels |
| 23:14.57 | DeusEx | dvs, i tried, but i just get it replaced |
| 23:15.13 | phogg | what version do you have and what version are you installing? |
| 23:15.14 | dvs | DeusEx: So the kernels were the same version |
| 23:15.15 | abrotman | DeusEx: it depends .. if it's the same ABI, it replaces the existing kernel |
| 23:15.17 | DeusEx | dvs, actually i've got a 2.6.32, and want to add a 3.2 |
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| 23:15.29 | DeusEx | phogg, read above |
| 23:15.35 | dvs | DeusEx: Then it will not be replaced |
| 23:15.48 | DeusEx | dvs, it will, just tried |
| 23:16.04 | dvs | DeusEx: How are you getting the kernel? |
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| 23:16.19 | abrotman | DeusEx: it will not ... |
| 23:16.21 | scwizard | why does debian use mawk instead of gawk? |
| 23:16.30 | scwizard | (in squeeze by default) |
| 23:16.42 | DeusEx | dvs, via apt |
| 23:16.49 | abrotman | DeusEx: then you're doing it wrong |
| 23:16.54 | DeusEx | abrotman, something wrong with me then ;) |
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| 23:17.05 | dvs | DeusEx: Then no, you will have a 2.6 and 3.2 kernel both at the same time. |
| 23:17.08 | abrotman | DeusEx: how are you installing the kernel from backports.org ? |
| 23:17.20 | somiaj | darkelfjuggalo: I am now, but always better to ask your question to the room, may others far more knowledgable than I |
| 23:17.49 | abrotman | wonders what a juggaglo is .. |
| 23:18.23 | dvs | things Jig-A-Loo |
| 23:18.27 | DeusEx | abrotman, yep |
| 23:18.28 | dvs | thinkks |
| 23:18.56 | abrotman | DeusEx: HOW, not whatever you think i said |
| 23:19.04 | xuser | scwizard: because it conforms to posix |
| 23:19.18 | scwizard | fair reason |
| 23:19.39 | DeusEx | abrotman, sorry i misread your sentence |
| 23:19.46 | scwizard | although I don't think debian is about to replace tar with pax + some flags |
| 23:19.54 | DeusEx | abrotman, via apt |
| 23:20.13 | abrotman | DeusEx: still doesn't answer the question .. what's the command you're using? |
| 23:20.25 | dvs | exactly |
| 23:20.34 | DeusEx | abrotman: apt-get install linux-image-rt-amd64 |
| 23:20.52 | DeusEx | abrotman, actually i'm now seeing that it wrecks some packages |
| 23:20.58 | abrotman | judd: versions linux-image-rt-amd64 |
| 23:20.59 | judd | No package named 'linux-image-rt-amd64' was found in i386. |
| 23:21.07 | abrotman | DeusEx: try agian .. what command are you using ? |
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| 23:21.52 | DeusEx | abrotman, this: apt-get install linux-image-rt-amd64 |
| 23:22.00 | dondelelcaro | polyurethane: all of the information went into logfile.txt. We need to see the contents of that file |
| 23:22.28 | abrotman | DeusEx: that package isn't in Debian .. where did you get that package? |
| 23:22.46 | dvs | abrotman: it is in backports |
| 23:22.52 | DeusEx | abrotman, did i mix up things? |
| 23:22.53 | abrotman | judd: versions linux-image-rt-amd64 --arch i386 |
| 23:22.54 | judd | No package named 'linux-image-rt-amd64' was found in i386. |
| 23:22.57 | abrotman | judd: versions linux-image-rt-amd64 --arch amd64 |
| 23:22.58 | judd | Package: linux-image-rt-amd64 on amd64 -- squeeze-backports: 3.2+42~bpo60+1; sid: 3.2+44; wheezy: 3.2+44 |
| 23:23.06 | DeusEx | abrotman, here it is |
| 23:23.08 | abrotman | DeusEx: no .. i forgot that i'm not that smart :) |
| 23:23.20 | DeusEx | abrotman, ahaha |
| 23:23.26 | DeusEx | abrotman, you're not alone ;) |
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| 23:23.31 | abrotman | DeusEx: your command sohuld probably be something like aptitude -t squeeze-backports install linux-image-rt-amd64 |
| 23:23.50 | DeusEx | abrotman, that might be what i've been missing |
| 23:23.57 | DeusEx | will try |
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| 23:25.59 | DeusEx | abrotman, now it works :) though now there's something i don't get: why via synaptic it didn't work just selecting the very same package, telling me it wanted to replace the older kernel? |
| 23:26.14 | fosstux | Hi! How can I setup a local smtp server only for sending mails from the webserver - and not for other users? |
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| 23:26.44 | Atlantiss | Hey gentlemen... I have a problem and it looks like this -- http://pastebin.com/R95kbP4v :( |
| 23:26.50 | themill | DeusEx: can you be much more precise about what the message was and what the package names and versions were? Without that, we're all just guessing. |
| 23:26.58 | fosstux | I'm trying to configure php for use with an external smtp server - but Drupal can't send mails... |
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| 23:28.25 | abrotman | DeusEx: i don't use synaptic .. NFC |
| 23:28.31 | Atlantiss | I interrupted my apt-get install and now I get that :( |
| 23:28.44 | DeusEx | themill, sure: the package was the one i was writing about before ( linux-image-rt-amd64 ); the message was that it was going to uninstall linux-image, linux-image-2.6.32, initramd something, and another kernel related package |
| 23:28.44 | somiaj | Atlantiss: well libc6 not being configured could cause issues, but seems the problem is debconf is the problem |
| 23:28.52 | DeusEx | abrotman, there's a reason you don't, probably... and you're right ;) |
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| 23:29.34 | themill | DeusEx: one of the reasons we don't like synaptic is you can't copy+paste the messages so we can see them. Your description didn't really help. |
| 23:29.53 | abrotman | Atlantiss: dpkg --configure -a ? then try again ? or maybe apt-get -f install ? |
| 23:29.55 | somiaj | Atlantiss: what does lsof /var/cache/debconf/config.dat return. |
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| 23:30.06 | abrotman | guess i misread the message |
| 23:30.10 | Atlantiss | somiaj: OK I killed the process |
| 23:30.16 | Atlantiss | and it went on |
| 23:30.19 | DeusEx | themill, really, this is about what i got. I'm not missing reporting that much |
| 23:30.20 | DeusEx | :) |
| 23:30.34 | Atlantiss | thanks guys! |
| 23:31.07 | mazzarin | debain!! one step forward away from redhat |
| 23:31.12 | mazzarin | but not quite archlinux |
| 23:31.14 | DeusEx | themill, anyways, that's not important, just was not clear _why_ synaptic has this different behavior |
| 23:31.14 | mazzarin | but not bad |
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| 23:31.21 | themill | DeusEx: well... it will have reported package names that actually exist and probably given us some reasons for this. |
| 23:31.25 | mazzarin | hey its not solaris |
| 23:31.26 | Atlantiss | archlinux!! not quite gentoo |
| 23:31.27 | darkelfjuggalo | hey somiaj, jhutchins got me the information i needed, im'm reformating an HP mini-110 netbook and had the same GRUB issue |
| 23:31.34 | mazzarin | archlinux much better than gentoo |
| 23:31.41 | Atlantiss | how so o.O |
| 23:31.43 | mazzarin | stablest os in world archlinux and msot up to date |
| 23:31.45 | mazzarin | awesome |
| 23:31.46 | somiaj | darkelfjuggalo: :(..... |
| 23:31.50 | mazzarin | it could be the greatest |
| 23:31.54 | Atlantiss | the only thing better than gentoo is funtoo, in theory |
| 23:31.56 | mazzarin | sicne plan9 uder interface kinda funny |
| 23:31.59 | abrotman | mazzarin: do yo uneed help ? |
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| 23:32.17 | dvs | THANK YOU! |
| 23:32.18 | themill | mazzarin: I've asked you several times to be less noisy. please play elsewhere. |
| 23:32.24 | somiaj | darkelfjuggalo: were are you at? |
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| 23:32.43 | DeusEx | themill, sure, but it was stating it was uninstalling packages from the base distro all 2.6.32 kernel related :) so not much more descriptive ;) |
| 23:32.53 | alesan | I wanted to add a file in rcS.d to execute a special script on my system |
| 23:33.02 | alesan | for some reason it is ignored at boot... |
| 23:33.13 | darkelfjuggalo | somiaj, i remember some of what you told me before for this Emachine im logged in on, but i couldn't keep save it which is why i come back... |
| 23:33.14 | DeusEx | themill, anyways, again, it's ok |
| 23:33.16 | alesan | any special thing I should be aware of? |
| 23:33.42 | DeusEx | and thanks to abrotman , themill and dvs for the help |
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| 23:33.47 | dvs | np |
| 23:34.00 | darkelfjuggalo | somiaj, i had to restart the install because my moniter froze up...i hope the moniter drivers for Debian will fix that |
| 23:34.01 | somiaj | alesan: rcS.d should only contain links. What is it you are trying to do (what kinda of script are you wanting to run and when do you want to run it)? |
| 23:34.34 | alesan | somiaj, of course it is a link to the script in ../init.d/myscript |
| 23:34.47 | alesan | this script loads some kernel modules found on a special location |
| 23:34.48 | somiaj | alesan: does your init script accept the standard 'start/stop/restart' commands |
| 23:35.08 | somiaj | alesan: would this be something that is better suited to /etc/rc.local? (standard local bootup script) |
| 23:35.20 | alesan | and it has to run before S12x11-common -> ../init.d/x11-common |
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| 23:35.29 | gnarface | heh monitor drivers |
| 23:35.51 | alesan | somiaj, for the second question - that is why |
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| 23:36.00 | alesan | for the first one, it should, let me check again |
| 23:36.04 | dvs | darkelfjuggalo: HP mini 110? Good luck trying to get the wireless to work on that thing. |
| 23:36.15 | somiaj | alesan: can you put the full path in /etc/modules and use that to load this specal module at bootup? |
| 23:36.21 | alesan | I "copied" module-init-tools script and adapted to do insmod |
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| 23:36.42 | alesan | somiaj, how would that work, can you explain? |
| 23:37.07 | somiaj | alesan: /etc/modules is a text file that lists modules to load at bootup. I belive you can put a full path in there. |
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| 23:37.39 | alesan | well I know what is it for but I thought the path had to be /lib/modules/`uname -r`/etc |
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| 23:38.32 | somiaj | alesan: It seems strange to me you have a module elsewhere, but I would try to put the full path to the module there you can also list various options after the module name if needed. |
| 23:39.31 | alesan | somiaj, is there a reference about this? I want to make sure... I mean, let me have a look at the module-init-tools script |
| 23:40.09 | somiaj | alesan: I don't see why it wuldn't but I don't know of any documentation |
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| 23:41.10 | datruth | When I do apt-get install ssl-cert I get the following http://pastebin.com/2tTJy2sL why is this happening? |
| 23:41.18 | scwizard | when I do: $ awk test.awk |
| 23:41.30 | scwizard | I get "awk: 1: unexpected character '.'" |
| 23:41.36 | scwizard | test.awk is an empty file :( |
| 23:41.44 | somiaj | ,versions ssl-cert |
| 23:41.46 | judd | Package: ssl-cert on i386 -- lenny: 1.0.23; sid: 1.0.28; squeeze: 1.0.28; wheezy: 1.0.28 |
| 23:42.15 | scwizard | oh -f |
| 23:43.19 | datruth | somiaj: amy idea? |
| 23:43.32 | scwizard | how would I make a awk shebang then hmm |
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| 23:43.50 | scwizard | oh just #!/usr/bin/awk -f |
| 23:44.03 | alesan | somiaj, the problem is that modprobe will look for /lib/modules/`uname -r`/modules.dep |
| 23:44.05 | somiaj | datruth: was seeing if you were running testing/sid, but version is the same in squeeze. Not sure why the post-install script is generating to long of a string. |
| 23:44.24 | alesan | somiaj, I do not have that, my kernel is nor compiled in a debian package |
| 23:44.30 | alesan | eventually it will but not now... |
| 23:44.51 | datruth | somiaj: what can I do? |
| 23:44.56 | alesan | and in any case I do not want a dependency on the `uname -r` now |
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| 23:46.21 | somiaj | alesan: ahh yea forgot about modprobe needing modules.dep. can you run your script /etc/init.d/myscript start and it run correctly (loading the module)? |
| 23:46.26 | alesan | yes |
| 23:46.28 | alesan | I just did |
| 23:46.40 | alesan | but the fact is if I run it when I have a promt it's too late |
| 23:46.44 | alesan | I need to run it before X starts |
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| 23:47.18 | alesan | I do not even know how to debug why it's not run... |
| 23:47.19 | somiaj | I know, just making sure that worked. Did you set up some LSB headers and then use update-rc.d to make the links? |
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| 23:47.30 | alesan | well I did the link by hand |
| 23:47.34 | vortech | sup |
| 23:47.52 | alesan | somiaj, let me pastebin the file, I think I did the right headers, but I am not sure at this point |
| 23:47.55 | somiaj | alesan: did you follow the nameing convention S0?foo |
| 23:48.18 | vortech | will the good bye microsoft link on google install debian and whipe windows? |
| 23:49.08 | somiaj | vortech: no, a link on googles site won't just wipe your drive and install debian. You will have actually download the install cd from debian.org |
| 23:49.55 | gnarface | somiaj: it won't? |
| 23:49.56 | darkelfjuggalo | dvs, i was told Debian can be annoying when it comes to Wireless with some devices... but i'm sure with some help from this room i'll get that figured out when i get to there |
| 23:50.25 | vortech | somiaj: thee googlelink is a windows installer for debian no cd needed |
| 23:50.49 | vortech | does a windows net install |
| 23:50.50 | gnarface | somiaj: pretty hip really, although i don't know if it works outside of windows Vista: http://goodbye-windows.com |
| 23:51.12 | dvs | darkelfjuggalo: Nah, Broadcom's are a royal pain. |
| 23:51.29 | vortech | gnarface: does it give u the option of keeping windows? |
| 23:51.48 | gnarface | vortech: fuck if i know man. i wiped my last copy of windows in 1997 |
| 23:51.55 | darkelfjuggalo | oh ok |
| 23:52.15 | somiaj | vortech: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ -- yes there are installers out there that run in windows. There is the documentation |
| 23:52.35 | darkelfjuggalo | dvs, I'd likely have to track down Drivers for in on my own then? |
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| 23:53.32 | dvs | darkelfjuggalo: There are three different guides to install it but I've only have luck with http://wiki.debian.org/wl |
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| 23:54.01 | vortech | cool |
| 23:54.15 | somiaj | vortech: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch05s01.html.en#boot-win32 |
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| 23:55.03 | vortech | tanxs |
| 23:55.25 | darkelfjuggalo | Thank you I'll save that for when i get to that step since I'm passed that in the Installer...or I might try to configure it when my Grub fails again |
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| 23:59.49 | gnarface | ,versions libssl |
| 23:59.50 | judd | No package named 'libssl' was found in i386. |
| 23:59.52 | gnarface | ,versions libssl1.0 |
| 23:59.53 | judd | No package named 'libssl1.0' was found in i386. |
| 23:59.55 | gnarface | hmm |
