| 00:00.14 | luke-jr | ponders |
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| 00:00.21 | karsten | luke-jr: IPMI should be present on any modern server mobo. Dig up the vendor specs for the motherboard. There's usually a default IP assignment on an unroutable network (192.168.* or 10.*). If you sort out what this is, and have another box or interface handy, you can tunnel the session back over ssh. |
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| 00:00.40 | karsten | is a big, big, big fan of IPMI and serial-over-LAN. |
| 00:00.45 | nsadmin | sends an optional dufus into Trip Hazard Park |
| 00:01.04 | jhutchins_lt | karsten: Those are often set up to only be accessible from inside the provider's internal network. |
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| 00:01.26 | karsten | jhutchins_lt: which is why you tunnel the connection out. |
| 00:01.30 | mrk595 | can anyone help me with a gnome terminal mod !! i want to set gnome terminal default to open maximized |
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| 00:02.39 | karsten | ssh -L <local host port>:<forwarded host relative to remote host>:<forwarded port> user@remote-host |
| 00:02.48 | luke-jr | I'm on the LAN (VPN) anyway |
| 00:02.51 | mrk595 | using gnome-terminal --maximize only sets it for the once instance i want it set default for all applications that open a terminal |
| 00:02.55 | karsten | luke-jr: jhutchins_lt ^^ |
| 00:03.07 | luke-jr | ok, assuming it *is* enabled, how would I find out? |
| 00:03.12 | karsten | luke-jr: What's your access to the box in question right now? |
| 00:03.38 | luke-jr | karsten: install CD incl chroot, VPN on LAN |
| 00:03.38 | karsten | luke-jr: Read the manufacturer's motherboard docs and/or contact your server vendor's support. |
| 00:03.46 | Libster | can someone help me i keep getting kernel panic this is what my screen says http://puu.sh/a0Dx |
| 00:03.51 | karsten | luke-jr: What kind of box is it? |
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| 00:03.56 | luke-jr | PowerEdge 1850 IIRC |
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| 00:04.06 | karsten | luke-jr: ... and you're access this system how? TCP/IP over carrier pidgion? |
| 00:04.15 | karsten | luke-jr: DRAC |
| 00:04.19 | karsten | Or iDRAC. |
| 00:04.23 | luke-jr | karsten: SSH over VPN |
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| 00:05.33 | karsten | luke-jr: http://support.euro.dell.com/support/edocs/software/smdrac3/drac4/1.3/en/UG/index.htm |
| 00:05.40 | karsten | luke-jr: Start reading or call Dell support. |
| 00:07.26 | karsten | luke-jr: IIRC the DRAC may configure networking via DHCP, in which case you can search for its request on your DHCP server. or picks a static assignment. Portscanning your local network or checking your router or firewall's arp table may turn it up. |
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| 00:11.01 | karsten | luke-jr: http://support.euro.dell.com/support/edocs/software/smdrac3/drac4/1.1/en/UG/racugc2.htm#wp49888 |
| 00:11.16 | karsten | luke-jr: The DRAC 4 contains an integrated NIC that has a default address of 192.168.0.120 and a default gateway of 192.168.0.1. Perform the following steps to use the DRAC 4 Option ROM utility to configure these settings and a limited number of additional DRAC 4 network settings. |
| 00:11.22 | karsten | Start there. |
| 00:12.01 | karsten | luke-jr: You've got ssh, telnet, http, and https protocols to try. |
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| 00:16.25 | luke-jr | guy tells me eject+reboot |
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| 00:25.48 | bofh80 | ello ello, is there a debian installer channel for more specific chat on that :) ? |
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| 00:26.35 | i5noc_ | wth |
| 00:26.51 | i5noc_ | hey groupadd - can't find it for squeeze - am i insane? |
| 00:27.30 | petemc | adduser does that |
| 00:27.43 | themill | it's in /usr/sbin (and you probably don't really want groupadd) |
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| 00:30.41 | bofh80 | ok, does the debian installer leave a log file for me to peruse after install? |
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| 00:31.22 | co_jomblo_lucu | look at me now! http://sexylili.hpage.com/ |
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| 00:33.44 | gnarface | bofh80: yea it should i forget exactly where but probably somewhere in /var/log |
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| 00:35.15 | bofh80 | gnarface: thanks, 'installer' i was lookin for debian or d-i lol. thanks :) |
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| 00:37.04 | gnarface | bofh80: luck to you! |
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| 00:43.13 | i5noc_ | petemc, i want to add the group before the user |
| 00:43.17 | i5noc_ | can this no longer be done? |
| 00:43.26 | i5noc_ | thx for the reply btw |
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| 00:43.54 | axx_ | hi all |
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| 00:44.20 | axx_ | is the wheezy net_install iso known for having problems with ext4 partitions? |
| 00:44.33 | axx_ | it doesn't like my ext4 / on luks on raid1 :-/ |
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| 00:45.05 | i5noc_ | axx_, does it actually hate the raid? |
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| 00:45.10 | gnarface | axx_: the wheezy [any installer] is known for having [problems]. you are advised not to use it unless you're trying to help find and report bugs |
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| 00:46.38 | axx_ | gnarface: makes sense, fair enough :) |
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| 00:47.02 | axx_ | i5noc_: it appears it's the ext4 part, it didn't choke on it when I switched the / to btrfs |
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| 00:56.17 | axx_ | well, once I got everything right the first time (creating crypto volumes for swap, using random keys rather than passphrases, etc.) it went through, no problem so far |
| 00:56.18 | axx_ | oh well |
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| 00:57.54 | axx_ | (i started my install over, if it wasn't clear) |
| 00:58.07 | axx_ | thanks, see you around |
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| 00:58.33 | gnarface | axx_: good luck. fwiw there's a #debian-next channel on irc.oftc.net for testing/unstable issues |
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| 00:58.59 | i5noc_ | thumbsup axx_ |
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| 01:00.32 | i5noc_ | Anyway, any clue on creating a group BEFORE a user is created? |
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| 01:02.05 | nkuttler | i5noc_: use addgroup? |
| 01:02.47 | i5noc_ | oohh |
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| 01:03.16 | i5noc_ | nvm i was being very dense; no excuse will do |
| 01:03.22 | nkuttler | maybe adduser can also be configure to run script before creating a user, not sure |
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| 01:03.31 | i5noc_ | needed sudo. |
| 01:03.32 | nkuttler | s/foo/bar |
| 01:03.42 | i5noc_ | nkuttler, yeah once a user exists, i use that |
| 01:03.46 | i5noc_ | adduser someone somegroup |
| 01:03.58 | i5noc_ | actually |
| 01:04.02 | i5noc_ | lets talk about that error message |
| 01:04.05 | gnarface | nkuttler: i know can be used to set a default set of groups for new users... |
| 01:04.27 | gnarface | nkuttler: there is an /etc/adduser.conf |
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| 01:04.40 | nkuttler | gnarface: but can those groups be created during the adduser call? |
| 01:04.58 | gnarface | nkuttler: i don't know |
| 01:05.08 | nkuttler | doesn't either |
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| 01:05.40 | i5noc_ | -bash: groupadd: command not found; http://pastebin.com/K9UbY1pD |
| 01:05.50 | gnarface | addgroup, not groupadd |
| 01:05.52 | i5noc_ | nkuttler, yeah |
| 01:06.10 | i5noc_ | gnarface, Ack; both require sudo |
| 01:06.14 | gnarface | probably |
| 01:06.22 | gnarface | or at least for you to be root |
| 01:06.24 | i5noc_ | so from my pastebin you can see the $PATH variables match between user and root |
| 01:06.33 | i5noc_ | we can also see that the user can ls the file if not execute it |
| 01:06.44 | i5noc_ | but the fact it can SEE the file means the error is inaccurate |
| 01:06.53 | i5noc_ | =/ i suppose i need to make a bug report |
| 01:07.03 | nkuttler | i5noc_: obviously normal users can't create new users or groups |
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| 01:07.19 | themill | ummm.... there's no bug there... |
| 01:07.34 | nkuttler | and sudo isn't installed by default anyway. what are you talking about? |
| 01:07.48 | nkuttler | by default a user PATH should also be different from root's PATH |
| 01:08.10 | themill | $PATH would be expanded before the command is run as root anyway |
| 01:08.45 | i5noc_ | nkuttler, then the correct error would be something like access denied |
| 01:08.57 | i5noc_ | the user knows the resource exists and can verify the resource exists |
| 01:08.59 | DoctorDude | I'm having a problem when I suspend to ram - the screen goes blank and fails to suspend. Using nouveau graphics driver, AMD x86 system. Used all quirks and combination of S3 quirks to no avail. |
| 01:09.12 | nkuttler | i5noc_: error to which command? groupadd? |
| 01:09.25 | i5noc_ | nkuttler, pretty much any command that requires root/sudo |
| 01:09.25 | nkuttler | if it's not on your PATH you get not found. obviously |
| 01:09.29 | i5noc_ | omfg |
| 01:09.37 | i5noc_ | nkuttler, please go back and read |
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| 01:09.41 | i5noc_ | [18:05:41] <i5noc_> -bash: groupadd: command not found; http://pastebin.com/K9UbY1pD |
| 01:09.55 | nkuttler | i5noc_: omg please go back and read |
| 01:09.57 | i5noc_ | where is the path different, please tell me |
| 01:09.58 | nkuttler | i5noc_: < nkuttler> i5noc_: error to which command? groupadd? |
| 01:10.04 | themill | i5noc_: that's because /usr/sbin isn't in your path... that's the point. |
| 01:10.19 | i5noc_ | fine 1s |
| 01:10.32 | themill | i5noc_: /usr/sbin has no business being in the path for a normal user. So it isn't there. |
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| 01:10.58 | i5noc_ | ok sorry for the frustration |
| 01:11.02 | i5noc_ | let me restate ;) |
| 01:11.10 | nkuttler | that's already the second time today somebody doesn't understand PATHs |
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| 01:11.27 | i5noc_ | as user: 'echo $path' and 'sudo echo $path' are identical |
| 01:11.35 | i5noc_ | as root there is a difference. |
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| 01:11.38 | themill | $PATH would be expanded before the command is run as root anyway |
| 01:11.55 | nkuttler | is surprised to see /usr/games |
| 01:12.00 | themill | i5noc_: that test doesn't do what you think it does |
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| 01:12.07 | i5noc_ | themill, obviously |
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| 01:12.27 | i5noc_ | as root i see the sbin, but why would that work when executing the command but not when executing the path? |
| 01:12.39 | i5noc_ | should not the enviornment variables be the same with sudo or as root? |
| 01:12.46 | nkuttler | i think $PATH after sudo also depends on your setup. i know i keep the same PATH i have as user but don't really remember why |
| 01:12.56 | i5noc_ | but note the sudo groupadd works fine |
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| 01:13.03 | i5noc_ | so that path should never come into the picture |
| 01:13.03 | themill | i5noc_: the environment variable you are echoing is the environment variable of your user |
| 01:13.09 | i5noc_ | themill |
| 01:13.11 | i5noc_ | ive sudo'd first |
| 01:13.17 | themill | i5noc_: no you have not |
| 01:13.22 | i5noc_ | bullshit sir. |
| 01:13.27 | i5noc_ | http://pastebin.com/K9UbY1pD |
| 01:13.30 | nkuttler | i5noc_: probably not. root implies su or something that is a login shell. sudo is sudo |
| 01:13.30 | i5noc_ | me@server:~$ sudo echo $PATH |
| 01:13.37 | nkuttler | man sudo comes to mind |
| 01:13.49 | themill | i5noc_: and $PATH gets expanded before sudo is run. As I've said 4 times now. |
| 01:13.54 | i5noc_ | themill |
| 01:14.09 | i5noc_ | obviously that's how its supposed to work, why would it not work with 'echo' command then |
| 01:14.28 | nkuttler | echo is a shell builtin |
| 01:14.54 | themill | i5noc_: try "sudo echo $USER". It won't say root. |
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| 01:15.11 | Dulak | Or you can cheat and set secure_path in a Defaults statement in you sudoers files |
| 01:15.24 | gnarface | i just "sudo su -" |
| 01:15.32 | Dulak | that's bad, sudo -i |
| 01:15.52 | gnarface | is misbehaved |
| 01:15.54 | themill | i5noc_: now try «sudo sh -c 'echo $USER'» and compare the difference. |
| 01:15.59 | Dulak | sudo su - may not set the env correctly, which is why sudo -i exists |
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| 01:17.47 | karlpinc | Dulak: su - sets the environment correctly. |
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| 01:18.49 | Dulak | karlpinc: Yeah, if you are root already, but sudo su - does not propogate things you might need like $HOME or $XAUTHORITY |
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| 01:19.08 | Dulak | karlpinc: besides the fact that running 2 command when 1 will do. |
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| 01:20.18 | hoodlum_ | what is best ftp server for webserver?? |
| 01:20.21 | hoodlum_ | please advise |
| 01:20.25 | hoodlum_ | running debian |
| 01:22.03 | karlpinc | Dulak: True that the environment is reinitialzed. That's sort of the point of su -. Otherwise you'd just do a su. But then sudo -i loses $XAUTHORITY and resets $HOME like su -. |
| 01:22.15 | hoodlum_ | PLEASE RESET ALL ENVIRONMENT VARIABLES |
| 01:22.16 | aBound | I don't think there's a best FTP app but you can always give 'Filezilla' a try. |
| 01:22.31 | hoodlum_ | aBound: this is for ftpd on mah websermah |
| 01:22.39 | hoodlum_ | sermah is server |
| 01:22.42 | karlpinc | Dulak: Or so says the man page. I never worry about runnning X programs as root myself. It just never comes up. |
| 01:22.47 | Dulak | karlpinc: only because you don't have sudoers set to propogate them. |
| 01:22.54 | fahi | if you really need it, you can set Defaults env_keep=" |
| 01:23.09 | null- | hoodlum_: vsftpd is nice |
| 01:23.22 | hoodlum_ | null-: cool, I shall try that one. |
| 01:23.27 | karlpinc | Dulak: True, but then sudo has other problems, like once you've cracked a user password you're all the way in as root. YMMV. |
| 01:23.41 | karlpinc | hoodlum_: I also prefer vsftp. But ftp sucks. Don't use it. |
| 01:23.41 | Dulak | karlpinc: I'm not saying sudo su - doesn't work, but sudo -i does pretty much exactly the same thing, from 1 command, and if you have sudoers correct it will do the right thing |
| 01:24.00 | hoodlum_ | karlpinc: i have to use it for updating wordpress automatically |
| 01:24.14 | karlpinc | hoodlum_: Use sftp. If you've not got linux on the client then use the fireftp plugin to sftp from the client. |
| 01:24.39 | karlpinc | hoodlum_: Do you have to use ftp, or just something that transfers files? |
| 01:24.40 | hoodlum_ | karlpinc: ok |
| 01:24.52 | hoodlum_ | mmm when in wordpress it says ftp for automatic update |
| 01:24.56 | hoodlum_ | maybe I can make it use sftp |
| 01:25.26 | hoodlum_ | the webserver currently does not have any sftp configured |
| 01:25.50 | karlpinc | hoodlum_: With sftp you can use public/private keys or certificates and login without a password. But do you really need a server? Are they talking about using ftp from your server as a client to go to the wordpress site and get updates? |
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| 01:26.17 | hoodlum_ | karlpinc: I believe that is the case |
| 01:26.37 | karlpinc | hoodlum_: Then you just need a ftp client. That's easy. |
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| 01:27.14 | hoodlum_ | karlpinc: ok, this sounds easier |
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| 01:28.58 | hoodlum_ | ok, going to harden my sermah |
| 01:28.59 | hoodlum_ | bbl |
| 01:29.07 | i5noc_ | ok |
| 01:29.16 | i5noc_ | that makes a ton more sense |
| 01:29.18 | karlpinc | hoodlum_: The ftp package has a ftp client. |
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| 01:31.21 | i5noc_ | so maybe something's broken with $SUDO_USER |
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| 01:31.58 | i5noc_ | thank you for taking the time to walk me through it, I was misunderstanding some stuff |
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| 01:52.08 | i5noc_ | I still think the error message is shyte tho |
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| 01:53.32 | factor | Where is the c source for unix login |
| 01:53.38 | factor | I need to make a custom one |
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| 01:53.50 | republican_devil | http://shine.yahoo.com/parenting/mom-dr-phil-confront-teacher-ran-off-student-222200651.html |
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| 02:05.51 | cramo | In case I create subinterfaces(for example eth:5) under root, then those interfaces are usable by normal users as well? Or how to control whether a eth0:5 is usable by specific users/groups? |
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| 02:10.06 | luke-jr | cramo: eth0:5 type stuff is basically deprecated |
| 02:10.45 | cramo | luke-jr, ok.. What should I use if I need multiple IP addresses on one physical interface? |
| 02:10.55 | luke-jr | ip addr add |
| 02:11.00 | nkuttler | factor: dpkg -S `which login`, apt-get source login etc |
| 02:11.56 | foxhacker | does debian squeeze have ext4 support? |
| 02:12.04 | nkuttler | foxhacker: sure |
| 02:12.16 | nkuttler | foxhacker: not sure about ext4 for / though |
| 02:12.32 | foxhacker | nkuttler, do you need to do an expert install to find the option for ext4? |
| 02:12.32 | somiaj | foxhacker: ext3 is just the default on the installer, but you can choose ext4 |
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| 02:25.07 | luke-jr | foxhacker: I just installed a system with ext4 rootfs and bootfs |
| 02:25.10 | luke-jr | Squeeze. |
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| 02:25.31 | luke-jr | it doesn't boot, but that seems to be md RAID related :/ |
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| 02:27.13 | xiaopeng | how can I modify the keymap in debian? I want to switch Caps Lock and Ctrl. |
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| 02:29.10 | mmnicolas | xiaopeng: I never used it but a friend was apparently succesful with xkeycaps, a front-end to xmodmap |
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| 02:30.24 | xiaopeng | mmnicolas: I used xmodmap in X windows, but I don't know how to do this in console (don't start the X) |
| 02:31.54 | nkuttler | !tell xiaopeng about keymap |
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| 02:33.18 | xiaopeng | nkuttler: nkuttler, thank you! |
| 02:33.55 | factor | <nkuttler>Thanks I found the source |
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| 03:00.35 | darkelfjuggalo | I'm trying to configure Wireless Drivers for Broadcom in squeeze following http://wiki.debian.org/wl at step three the output for said command is 'broadcom-sta, what is broadcom-sta?' |
| 03:01.14 | somiaj | darkelfjuggalo: that is the name of the module you are building |
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| 03:02.05 | darkelfjuggalo | would that be the Wireless card number that is in there already? |
| 03:02.24 | somiaj | no that is just the name of the module for the card. it is 'broadcom-sta' |
| 03:02.29 | somiaj | it isn't a place holder for anything |
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| 03:02.55 | somiaj | m-a a-i broadcom-sta -- that tells your module assistant to build this module you need to get your card working |
| 03:03.23 | nsadmin | that thing isn't already part of his kernel? |
| 03:04.47 | darkelfjuggalo | ok, im not sure what you're saying... I just input all of the commands as that wiki page said to |
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| 03:04.56 | somiaj | nsadmin: accroding to the wiki no, seems this is an extra driver that works on some cards the one in the kernel doens't support (it even has you blacklist the default kernel module) |
| 03:05.27 | nsadmin | oh, gotcha... thanks |
| 03:05.29 | darkelfjuggalo | dvs said 'broadcom is a bitch' last night |
| 03:05.49 | nsadmin | so what is broadcom today? |
| 03:05.51 | somiaj | darkelfjuggalo: so when you get to the last step and you type 'iwconfig' do you see a wireless device? |
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| 03:06.19 | darkelfjuggalo | let me get a paste |
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| 03:07.35 | darkelfjuggalo | hhtp://paste.debian.net/159786 |
| 03:08.02 | nsadmin | what's hhtp? |
| 03:08.04 | darkelfjuggalo | http://paste.debian.net/159786 |
| 03:08.09 | nsadmin | oh :) |
| 03:08.11 | somiaj | darkelfjuggalo: see wlan0 there and all of the extra wirless extneions with it. You have it working, congragulations |
| 03:08.21 | darkelfjuggalo | ok cool |
| 03:08.27 | somiaj | darkelfjuggalo: if you are in xorg and want NM to manage this device you'll have to restart network-manager |
| 03:08.38 | somiaj | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:08.43 | nsadmin | looks like you have wlan0 |
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| 03:09.03 | darkelfjuggalo | what is xorg? |
| 03:09.13 | nsadmin | alien from france |
| 03:09.15 | somiaj | darkelfjuggalo: the graphical enviorment (x-windows server) |
| 03:09.23 | nsadmin | err remulak |
| 03:09.28 | somiaj | darkelfjuggalo: it is what gnome, kde or various wms run on top of |
| 03:09.38 | darkelfjuggalo | ok im in gnome |
| 03:10.10 | darkelfjuggalo | do i need to black list that before I restart |
| 03:10.31 | somiaj | didn't you already blacklist it by following the above commands in the wiki? |
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| 03:10.46 | darkelfjuggalo | i got to step 3 |
| 03:10.48 | nsadmin | not sure, it seems like it's supported... but, when you reboot it might try to load the old driver |
| 03:10.52 | somiaj | and that blacklist is for bootup, you aren't rebooting, you are just restarting nm so it can detect your wireless card and take control of it. |
| 03:11.14 | somiaj | darkelfjuggalo: you didn't do all the steps, well finish them |
| 03:11.18 | darkelfjuggalo | i understand the restarting nm |
| 03:11.19 | darkelfjuggalo | ok |
| 03:11.20 | somiaj | I thought you finished all the steps...:( |
| 03:11.37 | somiaj | 20:04 < darkelfjuggalo> ok, im not sure what you're saying... I just input all of the commands as that wiki page said to |
| 03:11.55 | nsadmin | <barbie on house construction> building steps is HARD! |
| 03:12.31 | darkelfjuggalo | i commented before that I was up to step 3 |
| 03:13.32 | nsadmin | darkelfjuggalo just so you know... coming away with some comprehension and understanding will help you later |
| 03:14.44 | simonlnu | nsadmin: "what's hhtp?" >> a new protocol to confuse you :P |
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| 03:16.09 | darkelfjuggalo | on step 5, i actually type in '$(uname -r)' |
| 03:16.31 | darkelfjuggalo | or is uname my username |
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| 03:16.38 | simonlnu | man uname |
| 03:16.55 | simonlnu | or even uname --help |
| 03:17.22 | simonlnu | (nothing to do with your user name at all) |
| 03:17.52 | darkelfjuggalo | ok thank you, for the sake of comprehension, i thought it a good idea to ask |
| 03:19.31 | simonlnu | many commands accept --help -help -h or sometimes -? as an argument, giving a brief usage |
| 03:20.18 | simonlnu | the -? ones are a bit annoying, as you have to escape the ? >> \? |
| 03:21.15 | darkelfjuggalo | http://paste.debian.net/159787/ |
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| 03:23.20 | darkelfjuggalo | any clue where my wl module went to? |
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| 03:27.22 | darkelfjuggalo | i just did an iwconfig, i not have no wlan0 |
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| 03:27.59 | SmashingX | hello guys, is wine not included in the list of programs in debian? |
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| 03:28.19 | somiaj | SmashingX: debian ships an old version of wine. If you need a newer version you should build it from source from winehq.org |
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| 03:28.35 | SmashingX | but I don't see the old versionm |
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| 03:29.21 | SmashingX | or do you know where I can download the old version? |
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| 03:29.59 | somiaj | SmashingX: what version of debian are you using? |
| 03:30.02 | somiaj | ,versions wine |
| 03:30.04 | judd | Package: wine on i386 -- lenny: 1.0.1-1; squeeze: 1.0.1-3.1; sid: 1.0.1-3.5; experimental: 1.1.24-2 |
| 03:30.28 | SmashingX | how can I see the version? |
| 03:30.38 | simonlnu | !version |
| 03:30.38 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r, or cat /proc/version. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version (or lsb_release -sc) and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command; check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>. Do cat /etc/{*version*,*release*,*issue*} which should grab almost all distributions. |
| 03:30.43 | somiaj | SmashingX: apt-cache policy && apt-cache policy libc6 |
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| 03:31.38 | SmashingX | libc6: Installed: 2.13-16 Candidate: 2.13-16 |
| 03:31.48 | somiaj | ,versions libc6 |
| 03:31.49 | judd | Package: libc6 on i386 -- lenny: 2.7-18lenny7; lenny-security: 2.7-18lenny7; squeeze: 2.11.3-2; squeeze-proposed-updates: 2.11.3-3; squeeze-updates: 2.11.3-3; sid: 2.13-27; wheezy: 2.13-27 |
| 03:32.14 | SmashingX | sid? |
| 03:32.16 | somiaj | SmashingX: if you are running debian testing (Wheezy) and didn't know that you hsould really be running stable |
| 03:32.33 | somiaj | SmashingX: wheezy and sid are not debian releases. |
| 03:33.16 | SmashingX | cat /etc/debian_version wheezy/sid |
| 03:33.19 | somiaj | SmashingX: wine has been removed from debian testing, you can install the version from sid if you want to. |
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| 03:33.39 | SmashingX | how could I do that? |
| 03:33.40 | somiaj | SmashingX: yea wheezy/sid are two different pre-release assortment of packages. |
| 03:33.51 | somiaj | SmashingX: grab the package from packages.debian.org/wine |
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| 03:34.26 | SmashingX | this one? sid (unstable) (otherosfs): Windows API implementation - standard suite |
| 03:35.23 | somiaj | SmashingX: I don't like to hand hold people in testing/unstable. You can join #debian-next on irc.oftc.net, but I would do a bit of reading on how debian works, its release structure and sources.llist |
| 03:35.46 | SmashingX | well I'm actually using linux mint debian edition |
| 03:35.56 | SmashingX | so I think that where it comes from |
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| 03:37.00 | courpse | Any know a solution to get WD drives picked up when using Via VT6421 sata controller? |
| 03:37.01 | somiaj | so you are using linux mint...lovely mint is NOT debian, and won't have the same packages/versions |
| 03:37.04 | somiaj | !mint |
| 03:37.05 | dpkg | Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at http://forums.linuxmint.com/ or join #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org for support. Linux Mint is variously based on <Ubuntu> with a "Linux Mint Debian Edition" (LMDE) also available, based on <testing>. See also <based on debian>, <mintppc>. |
| 03:37.16 | somiaj | SmashingX: don't waste our time with your mint problems. |
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| 03:37.34 | somiaj | courpse: does the bios detect them? |
| 03:37.34 | SmashingX | well it's compatible |
| 03:38.09 | simonlnu | don't, please. just make it easy on everyone and go see *their* support. we only do debian here. |
| 03:38.10 | somiaj | SmashingX: /j #linuxmint-help |
| 03:39.06 | courpse | somiaj, Naw. |
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| 03:39.20 | courpse | somiaj, The bios doesn't list anything about the sata controller. |
| 03:39.41 | courpse | I can see the card in lspci, and it has an IDE port that with a hdd connected to it which is workin fine. |
| 03:39.46 | courpse | Just not the sata ports on it. |
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| 03:40.19 | courpse | It apparently works in windows just find according to peoples "Solutions", but i don't see that as a solution. |
| 03:40.32 | courpse | s/find/fine/ |
| 03:40.41 | somiaj | courpse: hmm, try lshw -- I just was trying to figure out a way to look at the actual device to see if it detects the the drives |
| 03:40.53 | somiaj | courpse: well if you don't think it is hardware, what module do you need to load for that card? |
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| 03:41.58 | courpse | Apparently i need to load sata_via, which i have, but still see no devices come up in /dev/sd* |
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| 03:44.16 | Delf | It's disabling GPU acceleration. Why? What do I need to type to show you what the problem could be? |
| 03:44.43 | somiaj | courpse: after you load that module, check dmesg, see any output about the card |
| 03:44.59 | somiaj | Delf: what does 'it' refer to? |
| 03:45.18 | somiaj | Delf: what is your GPU? What drivers are you using for it? |
| 03:45.22 | Delf | somiaj: During boot. I do not know? |
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| 03:45.43 | somiaj | Delf: can you look at dmesg and paste the exact error. What is your video card? |
| 03:45.45 | Delf | I have "terminal" open |
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| 03:45.56 | darkelfjuggalo | ok I'm trying to figure out why I Broadcom-sta isn't setting up the module for my wl by tracking down exactly what broadcom model wireless card is in my HP Mini 110-1046NR, but everything is just telling me the wireless speed |
| 03:46.09 | somiaj | Delf: lsmod | grep radeon (my guess is you have an ATI card with the radeon driver?) |
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| 03:47.18 | Delf | Indeed @ Radeon. But I don't know which one I have. |
| 03:48.23 | Rusty1 | darkelfjuggalo: do you know which chipset it is? |
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| 03:48.56 | somiaj | Delf: my guess is you are missing the package linux-firmware-nonfree |
| 03:49.05 | somiaj | Delf: which is needed to get GPU acceleration for those drivers |
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| 03:49.11 | somiaj | !tell Delf about non-free |
| 03:49.20 | courpse | somiaj, http://pastebin.com/WUQT82dY |
| 03:49.43 | somiaj | Delf: you'll have to enable the non-free repo and install the non-free package 'linux-firmware-nonfree' |
| 03:49.54 | darkelfjuggalo | chipset for the wireless card? |
| 03:50.35 | Delf | Holy smokes. I sure as hell don't like the sound of "nonfree". How do I enable it? |
| 03:50.49 | Delf | nano /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
| 03:51.03 | darkelfjuggalo | delf 'non-free' is still free to you |
| 03:51.05 | somiaj | courpse: I don't want to parse that for info on the card, you could modprobe -r foo && modprobe foo the sata driver and then look at the end of dmesg to see what it says |
| 03:51.13 | Rusty1 | darkelfjuggalo: try installing firmware-b43-installer and b43-fwcutter, in terminal type, as root, modprobe b43 |
| 03:51.21 | somiaj | Delf: non-free is about legal rights (freedom) not about cost |
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| 03:51.47 | courpse | somiaj, Aight, sounds like a better idea, :) |
| 03:52.13 | somiaj | Delf: some software has restrictions on it that do not comply with the debian free standards. We can still provide you those packages free of charge, but you don't have the same freedom as you do on the free packages |
| 03:52.19 | somiaj | !tell Delf about DFSG |
| 03:52.24 | darkelfjuggalo | Rusty1, I blacklisted a few , b43 included becuase i have a broadcom Wirelesscard in here |
| 03:52.31 | courpse | Humm, says sata_via is in use. |
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| 03:52.41 | Delf | somiaj: That means non-open-source drivers? |
| 03:52.47 | somiaj | courpse: lsmod | grep sata_via -- that should tell you what modules are using it |
| 03:53.04 | somiaj | Delf: in essence yes, there are variors other things that can make something non-free as well. |
| 03:53.09 | Rusty1 | darkelfjuggalo: do you know which chipset is on the wireless card, lspci should tell |
| 03:53.41 | somiaj | Delf: in this case it is a firmware blob. The drivers are opensource, but the firmware blob they talk to for the acceleration is not. That is why you have the drivers but not the firmware blob by default |
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| 03:53.47 | darkelfjuggalo | i'll paste the lspci output |
| 03:53.49 | courpse | somiaj, http://pastebin.com/Jr8vWgi4 |
| 03:54.09 | somiaj | growls at pastebin capulatuas |
| 03:54.23 | courpse | Sorry. <3 pastebinit |
| 03:54.27 | Delf | somiaj: I don't know much. But is it meant to cripple "support" for Debian for some GPU's? So people will not be able to run Debian as smooth as they would with other OS that has better support for their GPU? |
| 03:54.44 | somiaj | courpse: libata is dependent on that module, if your mobo is using that for sata support removing the module is a bad idea... |
| 03:55.10 | somiaj | Delf: no it is mearly that debian follows GNU guidelines and is very adamit on what is considered free vs non-free software |
| 03:55.10 | courpse | I'd agree with that, heh. |
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| 03:55.22 | darkelfjuggalo | http://paste.debian.net/159789 |
| 03:55.27 | courpse | somiaj, Is there another way i can check what devices are on that card? |
| 03:55.43 | Delf | somiaj: Oh ok. |
| 03:55.47 | somiaj | Delf: for the end user it means you have to enable the non-free repo (if you want to). Once it is enabled you can install the non-free packages just like any other package and things will work |
| 03:56.28 | Rusty1 | darkelfjuggalo: try un-blacklisting b43 and installing the b43 packages as above |
| 03:56.55 | darkelfjuggalo | what is the exact command to remove an item from blacklist |
| 03:57.12 | somiaj | Delf: it is mostly a legal/license issue. In some cases non-free is the only way to get certain hardware to work. But debian still follows the GNU guidelines and removes that software from the 'main' repo. If you are a completely non-free finatic debian supports that by default. |
| 03:57.31 | somiaj | Delf: if you want to get things to work that may require some non-free stuff, debian supports that too (just not by default -- you have one additional step to do) |
| 03:57.50 | Delf | somiaj: I see. I'm googling how to enable non free |
| 03:58.20 | Rusty1 | darkelfjuggalo: what was the command you used to blacklist it? |
| 03:58.21 | somiaj | (I personally would like the installer to add an option to enable this from the start, squeeze was one of the first debian releases to move these non-free firmware blobs from main so maybe wheezy's installer wll be a bit nicer) |
| 03:58.47 | somiaj | Delf: nano /etc/apt/sources.list -- you have lines that look like 'deb http://foo/debian squeeze main' |
| 03:58.54 | Delf | I see. I'm using wheezy now. |
| 03:59.14 | somiaj | Delf: just append non-free at the end of the line. 'deb http://foo/debian/ wheezy main non-free contrib |
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| 03:59.33 | darkelfjuggalo | nvm i mixed up i blacklisted the original wireless driver i had to do somerthing else the b43 |
| 03:59.37 | somiaj | Delf: the contrib is optional but many who want non-free will also want that (the flashplugin-nonfree is a part of contrib) |
| 04:00.12 | darkelfjuggalo | rusty1, according to the wiki page i was unloading conflicting modules |
| 04:00.17 | somiaj | Delf: after you do that apt-get update and you can now install the non-free package, 'apt-get install linux-firmware-nonfree' |
| 04:00.36 | Rusty1 | darkelfjuggalo: try installing firmware-b43-installer and b43-fwcutter, in terminal type, as root, modprobe b43 |
| 04:00.45 | Rusty1 | repeats |
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| 04:01.07 | darkelfjuggalo | ok aptitude or apt-get, or do it matter? |
| 04:01.25 | somiaj | Delf: wheezy is not an offical debian release (it is a testing prerelease) and will be buggy. People new to debian will be better servered with squeeze + backports for the few pieces of software you want/need to be newer |
| 04:01.35 | Delf | somiaj: I append it after main or @ end of line (after contrib) |
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| 04:01.59 | somiaj | Delf: the order isn't to important so 'main contrib non-free' or 'main non-free contrib' will result int he same thing |
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| 04:02.18 | Delf | I've used squeeze for some time. I'm not that new, I'm just somewhat stupid and not totally into Debian. |
| 04:02.36 | Delf | Ahh |
| 04:02.40 | somiaj | Delf: well if you don't mind fixing things when they break, have fun |
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| 04:02.53 | somiaj | Delf: but with backports most people can get a far nicer/stabler system than wheezy can provide |
| 04:03.22 | Rusty1 | darkelfjuggalo: what was the command you used to blacklist it? |
| 04:03.34 | Rusty1 | disregard |
| 04:03.45 | Delf | somiaj: Yes, but backports aren't always as new as "wheezy" packages. |
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| 04:04.02 | Rusty1 | darkelfjuggalo: aptitude or preferably synaptic |
| 04:04.14 | darkelfjuggalo | no exp with synaptic |
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| 04:04.30 | somiaj | Delf: but they are plenty 'new' enough for most situations. New is better is not true and a bad bug to have if you want a stable/mostly bug free experience. |
| 04:04.42 | somiaj | Rusty1: preferably synaptic...:( |
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| 04:05.05 | somiaj | darkelfjuggalo: aptitude or apt-get will both work fine, aptitude is probabaly what you should learn (imo) |
| 04:05.20 | alambre | aptitude with a good apt.conf |
| 04:05.20 | Delf | somiaj: Yes. New can contain new bugs too, sometimes. |
| 04:05.48 | Delf | E: Unable to locate package linux-firmware-nonfree ? |
| 04:05.50 | somiaj | Delf: again, have fun with wheezy, I just see so many problems because people have this opinion that 'squeeze is old and outdated lets run testing software' |
| 04:06.07 | somiaj | Delf: sorry, firmware-linux-nonfree |
| 04:06.54 | Delf | somiaj :D |
| 04:07.20 | Delf | On my other machine, I haven't had a singel problem with wheezy (yet. |
| 04:07.34 | Delf | On this one, only the GPU, sofar. |
| 04:07.46 | somiaj | Delf: I've been running sid for 10+ years (my desktop sid install is from 2004 and has gone though 4 mobos without a reinstall) |
| 04:08.16 | somiaj | Delf: I just am always running into things I have to debug/fix. If I had real work or less free time I wouldn't be running it |
| 04:08.23 | Delf | somiaj: You know what you are doing, unlike me. I'm wildly testing :D |
| 04:08.26 | darkelfjuggalo | i know aptitude about as well as I know apt-get |
| 04:08.54 | somiaj | darkelfjuggalo: aptitude has slightly better logic (But takes longer to resolve things). You can almost use them as drop in replacements |
| 04:09.08 | somiaj | if every you see apt-get install foo, you can type aptitude install foo and get the desired result |
| 04:09.26 | somiaj | darkelfjuggalo: /msg dpkg why aptitude and /msg dpkg why not aptitude |
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| 04:11.30 | Rusty1 | no why not synaptic? :-) |
| 04:12.29 | darkelfjuggalo | problem http://paste.debian.net/159790 |
| 04:12.40 | somiaj | it requires xorg, and it does things its own way sometimes and thus has conflicts with dpkg/apt-get/aptitude when you need to do things from the cli |
| 04:13.24 | Delf | Rebooting, wish me luck! :D |
| 04:13.45 | Rusty1 | darkelfjuggalo: what version debian? |
| 04:15.07 | courpse | somiaj, Any other ideas on how to identify if it's found HDDs but OS is not showing em? |
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| 04:15.48 | darkelfjuggalo | squeeze |
| 04:16.27 | Rusty1 | http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/firmware-b43-installer |
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| 04:16.46 | Rusty1 | try aptitude update , then try again |
| 04:16.48 | republican_devil | yahoo suing facebook lol |
| 04:16.51 | republican_devil | comedy |
| 04:17.07 | republican_devil | when will someone claim that linux kernel is from microsoft code or something? |
| 04:17.08 | republican_devil | lol |
| 04:17.09 | somiaj | courpse: not that familar with the card, so no real clue. |
| 04:17.19 | republican_devil | or oracle say all java msut now be paid? |
| 04:17.19 | republican_devil | lol |
| 04:17.34 | somiaj | republican_devil: #debian-offtopic |
| 04:17.42 | courpse | Aight, as a recommendation, Don't ever get one, :( seems a lot of people have this issue. |
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| 04:19.20 | darkelfjuggalo | ok i see it is there but my netbook isn't finding it |
| 04:20.50 | Rusty1 | darkelfjuggalo: try aptitude update , then try again |
| 04:21.22 | Rusty1 | assuming the netbook has a wired connection |
| 04:23.03 | republican_devil | www.archlinux.org is another optino |
| 04:23.08 | republican_devil | option |
| 04:23.09 | republican_devil | lol |
| 04:23.10 | republican_devil | yeah! |
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| 04:24.10 | darkelfjuggalo | yes it is wired |
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| 04:25.33 | Rusty1 | darkelfjuggalo: gtg, those packages are what you need maybe someone else can figure why you can't get them |
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| 04:26.32 | darkelfjuggalo | aptitude update then retying the install failed |
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| 04:45.08 | republican_devil | burp |
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| 04:48.43 | tekzilla | when trying to load the module ipmi_msghandler, it says: unknown paramter 'load', even though i didnt give any parameters |
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| 04:49.28 | simonlnu | how are you loading it? |
| 04:49.38 | tekzilla | modprobe |
| 04:49.59 | simonlnu | does it do the same thing if using insmod? |
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| 04:51.12 | simonlnu | (trying to get rid of layers here) |
| 04:51.29 | simonlnu | i'm guessing it will, and it's a kernel bug |
| 04:51.45 | republican_devil | bugz!!! |
| 04:51.47 | tekzilla | simonlnu: no it doesnt! |
| 04:51.51 | tekzilla | now its loading fine |
| 04:51.57 | DoctorDude | debian system only suspends to ram once successfully, second time screen blanks and hangs. tried quirks, found nothing obviously wrong in the suspend logs... |
| 04:52.14 | simonlnu | republican_devil: help or be quiet |
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| 04:52.42 | simonlnu | tekzilla: i'm still suspecting a bug in the driver; would have to check th source |
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| 04:53.38 | tekzilla | simonlnu: it says "ipmi_msghandler: disagrees about version of symbol module_layout |
| 04:54.06 | simonlnu | was this built outside the kernel? |
| 04:54.11 | simonlnu | kernel tree* |
| 04:54.20 | tekzilla | no it wasnt, this is 3.2.0-1 |
| 04:54.48 | tekzilla | amd64 |
| 04:54.49 | simonlnu | so in-tree driver. might want to check out the BTS (bugs.debian.org) |
| 04:55.02 | darkelfjuggalo | i was told i needed firmware-b43-installer and b43-fwcutter to make my wireless card work in my HP Mini 110-1046NR Netbook with squeeze, but aptitude says couldn't fins any package or descriptions that matched either |
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| 04:55.19 | simonlnu | ,i firmware-b43-installer |
| 04:55.20 | judd | Package firmware-b43-installer (contrib/kernel, optional) in squeeze/i386: Installer package for firmware for the b43 driver. Version: 4.150.10.5-4; Size: 5.1k; Installed: 48k |
| 04:55.55 | simonlnu | it's in contrib. you need to enable contrib and non-free in sources.list (the debian repo deb/deb-src lines) |
| 04:56.01 | simonlnu | !contrib |
| 04:56.01 | dpkg | [contrib] Debian packages that contain <DFSG>-compliant software, but have dependencies not in main (possibly packaged for Debian in non-free). To get contrib packages, add lines like "deb http://cdn.debian.net/debian/ [squeeze|wheezy|sid] main contrib" to your /etc/apt/sources.list, then aptitude update. Also ask me about <non-free>. |
| 04:56.04 | darkelfjuggalo | i have looked at the page for the package but my aptitude, even after updating still does not find either |
| 04:56.19 | tekzilla | ok simonlnu i will check there, thanks for the tips! at least i'm able to load it now |
| 04:56.28 | simonlnu | at least :) |
| 04:56.39 | darkelfjuggalo | contrib was in my sources by default and i added non-free already |
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| 04:57.10 | simonlnu | tekzilla: if you can't find any on linux-image, then i'd go file a new one, and make sure to note the difference in loading with insmod and modprobe |
| 04:57.26 | simonlnu | and so you updated you say. |
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| 04:58.04 | simonlnu | can i see your sources.list? |
| 04:58.29 | simonlnu | second pair of eyes, maybe you made a typo or something |
| 04:58.47 | tekzilla | simonlnu: i shall do that :) |
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| 04:58.58 | simonlnu | tekzilla: sorry, was talking to darkelfjuggalo |
| 04:59.01 | darkelfjuggalo | Contrib was in it to begin with, i installed DVD 1 via USB |
| 04:59.09 | simonlnu | tekzilla: duh, i'm confusing myself |
| 04:59.27 | simonlnu | tekzilla: good luck |
| 04:59.55 | darkelfjuggalo | i tried to load in nano and nano gave me a blank file... |
| 04:59.59 | simonlnu | darkelfjuggalo: regardless, i'd like to see it |
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| 05:00.49 | simonlnu | promise i won't bite :P |
| 05:01.43 | darkelfjuggalo | the nano is blank, i updated it in GNOME via an automated program managing the sources that sources.lst opens |
| 05:01.45 | simonlnu | and you try to open /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
| 05:02.26 | simonlnu | speling matturs ;) |
| 05:02.55 | darkelfjuggalo | ok odd, the HP has it list... but my Emachine that im in the chat on has it lst |
| 05:03.11 | simonlnu | that's broken |
| 05:03.24 | simonlnu | it's .list |
| 05:03.34 | darkelfjuggalo | the Emachine loads it properly .lst |
| 05:03.45 | simonlnu | still broken |
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| 05:05.00 | darkelfjuggalo | ok looking in the nano, it says i only updated the squeeze-updates previously known as 'volatile' to include non-free |
| 05:05.13 | tekzilla | simonlnu: hehe ok, thanks again |
| 05:05.52 | simonlnu | well, that's not going to be enough to find firmware-b43-installer and b43-fwcutter. in fact it won't find them at all. |
| 05:06.17 | DoctorDude | debian system only suspends to ram once successfully, second time screen blanks and hangs. tried quirks, found nothing obviously wrong in the suspend logs... |
| 05:06.17 | darkelfjuggalo | i have noticed |
| 05:07.17 | simonlnu | darkelfjuggalo: i hope so ;) |
| 05:08.25 | darkelfjuggalo | ok everytime i update via nano, even when i save and it keeps, i can't get the aptitude or apt-get to find it...only when i update in the program does it take... but apparently the program didn't do it right this time so how do i get the nano update to be active? |
| 05:09.06 | simonlnu | um, you save it properly. |
| 05:09.32 | Guest68238 | people still use nano? |
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| 05:09.57 | darkelfjuggalo | crtl+O to write out ctrl+X to exit... did that and i went back in to make sure it saved properly |
| 05:10.48 | omgwtfbbqhax | idk why people dont use vi |
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| 05:11.54 | simonlnu | and you wrote it out with "list" suffix? |
| 05:12.35 | simonlnu | omgwtfbbqhax: i use nano for quick one shots, but my main one is vim |
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| 05:13.08 | simonlnu | been using cream for dev |
| 05:13.41 | darkelfjuggalo | so the guy must have been wrong about what i need, http://paste.debian.net/159793 |
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| 05:14.36 | simonlnu | he did seem to be in a rush, admittedly |
| 05:14.40 | simonlnu | ,pciid 14e4:4315 |
| 05:14.41 | judd | [14e4:4315] is 'BCM4312 802.11b/g LP-PHY' from 'Broadcom Corporation' with kernel module 'ssb' in squeeze. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=14e4:4315 http://wiki.debian.org/wl and the out-of-tree 'wl' module. |
| 05:15.02 | simonlnu | !ssb |
| 05:15.02 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
| 05:15.13 | simonlnu | woops, wrong one |
| 05:15.19 | simonlnu | !bcm4312 |
| 05:15.19 | dpkg | The Broadcom BCM4312 (PCI ID 14e4:4315) is a PCI-E 802.11g wireless LAN chipset with a low-power PHY, supported by <b43> since Linux 2.6.32. Firmware is required, ask me about <contrib> and install the firmware-b43-lpphy-installer package to provide. Alternatively supported by <wl>. PCI ID 14e4:4312 uses a BCM4311 chipset, requiring firmware-b43-installer. http://wiki.debian.org/bcm43xx |
| 05:15.41 | simonlnu | darkelfjuggalo: ^^^ |
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| 05:15.46 | darkelfjuggalo | thank you |
| 05:16.06 | simonlnu | have fun |
| 05:16.38 | simonlnu | honest confusion earlier. similar enough pciid |
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| 05:17.10 | darkelfjuggalo | do i still need b43-fwcutter? |
| 05:17.58 | simonlnu | no, i'd say not, `modprobe ssb` and install firmware-b43-lpphy-installer. after you fix your sources.list issue of course ;) |
| 05:18.11 | simonlnu | actually, not in that order, but you get the idea |
| 05:18.18 | darkelfjuggalo | sources fixed |
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| 05:21.32 | courpse | Any know a solution to get WD drives picked up when using Via VT6421 sata controller? |
| 05:22.08 | simonlnu | firmware issue on the drives? |
| 05:22.29 | courpse | Dunno. |
| 05:22.51 | courpse | All my drives seem to fail in it. |
| 05:22.57 | nevyn | is that a really old controller? |
| 05:23.01 | nevyn | like sata1? |
| 05:23.22 | courpse | The card has IDE connectors on it, and devices plugged into those are fine. but the SATA ports don't pick up any drives. |
| 05:23.27 | nevyn | right |
| 05:23.39 | nevyn | so it's ancient like sata 1 ancient |
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| 05:23.54 | courpse | Seems so. |
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| 05:24.05 | darkelfjuggalo | i went to type a command and finger slipped to the enter button by mistake[hate this small ass keyboard] now every line is just '>' how do i return the line to root@debian: |
| 05:24.13 | courpse | Can't i put the drives into mode where it caps speed at 150MB/s? |
| 05:24.15 | nevyn | the problem is likely to be that sata2 wdc drives don't play nice with via sata controllers unless you jumper them in sata1 compatiblility mode |
| 05:24.18 | nevyn | yep |
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| 05:24.22 | nevyn | there's a jumper for it |
| 05:24.28 | nevyn | read the drive docs |
| 05:24.31 | courpse | Yeah, tried that, no cigar still. |
| 05:24.39 | courpse | 5/6 is the pins to slow it down. |
| 05:24.41 | nevyn | courpse: what drive model? |
| 05:24.54 | courpse | Any WDs are causing the issue. |
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| 05:25.04 | ebe | ok, I've installed samba on debian squeze, and i have shared a printer. I can access samba shared folder from windows, but i can't access printer driver. i always get error message "No driver found". what should I do to be able to access the printer and print doc. |
| 05:25.05 | courpse | Lemme get the drive specs of my latest attempt. |
| 05:25.17 | courpse | Tbh, i don't have anything but WD. |
| 05:25.24 | nevyn | when I was having that problem the drive wouldn't even enumerate |
| 05:25.55 | courpse | Humm k, so i'd be better off putting a old SATA drive on it then, as apposed to my new 2TB WD. |
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| 05:26.14 | nevyn | until I set the right jumpers |
| 05:26.34 | nevyn | http://forums.driverguide.com/showthread.php?t=46534 |
| 05:26.38 | nevyn | courpse: ^^^ |
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| 05:27.41 | mutante | getting disconnected by a server on ssh login, but AFTER i am already logged in , i used ssh -vv and i can even see "Server accepts key", and riht after that "Connection closed".. hrmmm |
| 05:28.12 | nevyn | do you have a valid shell? |
| 05:28.34 | courpse | nevyn, It's a WD20EARX for my latest drive. |
| 05:29.23 | courpse | Aight, Well the First answer of that sum'd it up straight away. |
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| 05:31.13 | darkelfjuggalo | which java package is it i need for squeeze again? |
| 05:31.27 | mutante | nevyn: good point, somethin must have changed there.. i logged into this host a dozen times before.hmmm |
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| 05:33.00 | courpse | nevyn, WD2500KS This drive also does not get picked up. |
| 05:33.40 | darkelfjuggalo | nvm i found to correct one |
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| 05:34.45 | nevyn | courpse: with the jumper on opt1? |
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| 05:35.35 | courpse | Yeah, tried my other 250GB which is identicial. |
| 05:35.41 | courpse | and it now sounds like its winding up. |
| 05:35.59 | darkelfjuggalo | i need to configure my webcam and microphone on my squeeze |
| 05:36.02 | courpse | Certainly sounds unhappy, :/ |
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| 05:36.55 | courpse | Not showing up still. |
| 05:37.00 | courpse | But this is at least progress. |
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| 05:53.10 | ebe | . |
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| 06:02.46 | darkelfjuggalo2 | So, my screen just scrambled, my speakers crackled and everything froze for no reason... what might this indicate? |
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| 06:04.09 | civillian | darkelfjuggalo2: hardware most likely, unless you're running experimental code |
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| 06:05.33 | darkelfjuggalo2 | im in squeeze... this computer is about 2 years old, but it's a tiny ass HP mini 110 netbook |
| 06:05.53 | darkelfjuggalo2 | it's been dropped a few times |
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| 06:06.18 | civillian | darkelfjuggalo2: memtest86+ and maybe a hard disk analysis would be my first choice |
| 06:06.50 | civillian | darkelfjuggalo2: if it's been dropped try turning on S.M.A.R.T. |
| 06:07.40 | darkelfjuggalo2 | i do not know how to do a hard disk analysis |
| 06:08.00 | darkelfjuggalo2 | nor do i know how to turn on S.M.A.R.T |
| 06:08.13 | civillian | darkelfjuggalo2: google it. You might try a surface scan or a bad sector scan |
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| 06:09.05 | darkelfjuggalo2 | again over my head, i haven't alot of exp with linux |
| 06:09.58 | civillian | darkelfjuggalo2: yet you found #debian on IRC... |
| 06:10.45 | darkelfjuggalo2 | i was instructed how to in an email |
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| 06:12.27 | darkelfjuggalo2 | google has nothing for 'S.M.A.R.T' |
| 06:12.54 | datruth | is there a command line way to reinstall all packages even broken ones? |
| 06:13.22 | mutante | darkelfjuggalo2: apt-cache show smartmontools |
| 06:14.21 | mutante | datruth: depends, but you could try "apt-get -f install", in some cases that fixes broken package states |
| 06:14.43 | mutante | datruth: oh.. ALL packages.. i dont know |
| 06:16.04 | darkelfjuggalo2 | http://paste.debian.net/159795/ |
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| 06:17.05 | mutante | darkelfjuggalo2: eh, yeah,i just wanted to tell you you might want to install that package to monitor S.M.A.R.T |
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| 06:17.44 | darkelfjuggalo2 | 'smartsuite'? |
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| 06:18.54 | mutante | that would conflict with this one |
| 06:19.06 | darkelfjuggalo2 | or 'gsmartcontrol'? |
| 06:19.21 | mutante | no, "smartmontools" |
| 06:19.35 | darkelfjuggalo2 | o ok im sorry |
| 06:19.50 | neersighted | Does anyone know how to change *all* files belonging in one group to another? |
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| 06:20.13 | darkelfjuggalo2 | my eyes want to bleed from all the code i been trying to mentally process |
| 06:20.54 | neersighted | ie chown -R -i group1 -o group2 |
| 06:21.06 | neersighted | and all files belonging to group1 would now belong to group 2 |
| 06:21.07 | neersighted | :V |
| 06:21.14 | mutante | neersighted: i would use "find" |
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| 06:21.24 | neersighted | can find spit out groups? |
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| 06:21.48 | neersighted | and could someone give me a example? |
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| 06:22.36 | darkelfjuggalo2 | apartently i already had smartmontools bc it didn't install but didn't complain |
| 06:22.47 | neersighted | anyone? |
| 06:22.59 | courpse | nevyn, No luck still, :/ |
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| 06:24.10 | mutante | neersighted: find . -gid 1000 -exec chgrp foobar {} \; |
| 06:24.34 | ginmatrix | Hi everyone, I need some advice on an problem I am facing with my ntfs partition. I am getting this error while mounting it "Error Mounting: Mount Exited with exit code 2". For details please look at http://askubuntu.com/questions/110116/error-mounting-mount-exited-with-exit-code-2 |
| 06:24.43 | neersighted | thanks |
| 06:24.44 | mutante | neersighted: where 1000 is the group id of the urrent group (check in /etc/group) and foobar is the name of the new group .. (and . is the current directory) |
| 06:24.51 | neersighted | okay |
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| 06:29.49 | ginmatrix | Anyone?? |
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| 06:32.29 | darkelfjuggalo2 | how do i check to see if my webcam is installed? |
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| 06:40.02 | Aenigma | Hi, I'm having trouble locating documentation about changing the map on my keyboard. Specifically, I would like to swap my capslock key to the alt key. Online, non-debian specific docs and the dumpkeys man page refers to a /usr/share/dumpkeys in which I suppose I'm supposed to modify but this directory does not exist. I'm uncertain as to if there's a "right" way to do kind of thing on Debian or not. |
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| 06:40.34 | Aenigma | er, sorry, I meant /usr/share/keymaps |
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| 06:44.16 | Maleko | howcome adding route with route vs ip command yield diff result? |
| 06:44.27 | Maleko | http://pastebin.com/6HaAjhWE |
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| 06:46.30 | bolt | Maleko: i might be reading this wrong, but it seems to me you're specifying a specific source ip in only one of the two commands |
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| 06:49.55 | Maleko | i mean why route adds "172.16.0.0/16 via 172.16.0.254" line and ip doesnt |
| 06:50.04 | bolt | ginmatrix: firstly, ask #ubuntu about Ubuntu. secondly, you should have backups of data that's important to you. thirdly, if you have a fubar ntfs partition, i'd actually try if windows could make sense of it instead. it might be better (for once) at handling that specific problem |
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| 06:52.56 | bolt | Maleko: have you tried not specifying a specific source ip to the "ip" command? might do the same then? |
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| 06:53.27 | Maleko | yup. tried that too |
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| 07:03.36 | buhman | http://sprunge.us/Ldaj how do I go about un-borking gzip2? |
| 07:03.47 | buhman | erm bzip2* |
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| 07:07.22 | Aenigma | okay so I ran the command 'echo "keycode 58 = Alt" | loadkeys' to swap my capslock key for alt but apparently this made capslock become dysfunctional. It seems to make it so I can't type anything until I switch to another console.. |
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| 07:10.36 | Aenigma | oh, god, it's like alt-lock or something how does this work |
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| 07:17.05 | Maiku-kun | hi all |
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| 07:18.24 | Maiku-kun | I've installed vnc4server package from testing repo, then started server as vncserver :1, but any vnc client hangs up when connected to it |
| 07:18.34 | Maiku-kun | are there any additional configuration needed? |
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| 07:20.54 | metaphysician | why does debhelper keep changing channel limit? |
| 07:21.10 | hid3 | because it has nothing else what to do |
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| 07:23.06 | tralala | it's there to protect for join flood I suppose |
| 07:23.14 | octane- | morning |
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| 07:24.01 | klys | hi |
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| 07:27.27 | ashnur | hi, any idea for a gist or similar cli client (one which works with sites other than pastebin.com) ? |
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| 07:28.19 | ashnur | something like curlpaste for arch |
| 07:28.54 | sephii | is there a way to make maildrop NOT use the courier authentication library? I'm trying to set up a mail redirect to a spam mailfolder for mails marked as spam (with virtual users) and maildrop constantly tries to use courier-authlib to check the mail address, but I want to skip that part |
| 07:29.37 | sephii | I noticed there is a -a option to make courier authlib mandatory, but I didn't see any to make it not mandatory |
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| 07:31.44 | klys | Maiku-kun: xvnc4viewer |
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| 07:33.46 | Maiku-kun | klys: yes, I tried it - it tells Connected and then hangs up |
| 07:33.59 | Maiku-kun | what may it mean? |
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| 07:37.39 | klys | Maiku-kun: vnc4server :1 |
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| 07:44.59 | Maiku-kun | klys: vncserver points to vnc4server in my case, so it's the same |
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| 07:45.45 | klys | Maiku-kun: ls -l /usr/bin/vncserver |
| 07:46.11 | Maiku-kun | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 27 Mar 11 12:00 /usr/bin/vncserver -> /etc/alternatives/vncserver |
| 07:46.17 | Maiku-kun | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 19 Mar 11 12:00 /etc/alternatives/vncserver -> /usr/bin/vnc4server |
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| 07:48.28 | klys | Maiku-kun: do you start it from X? |
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| 07:51.14 | Maiku-kun | klys: I tried both variants |
| 07:51.37 | klys | Maiku-kun: when you start it from X, does it hang up? |
| 07:51.37 | Maiku-kun | from console via SSH and locally from X |
| 07:51.50 | Maiku-kun | klys: do you mean the client? |
| 07:52.07 | klys | yes |
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| 07:53.15 | Maiku-kun | I tried locally from X and remotely from windows machine |
| 07:53.17 | mutante | is /var/lib/dpkg/status the only place for dpkg meta-data? (as in if i edit that i should in theory not break things)? |
| 07:53.34 | Maiku-kun | klys: it hangs up in both variants |
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| 07:54.08 | klys | mutante: yes |
| 07:54.14 | tralala | mutante: you will break things both in theory and in practise if you mess up with it |
| 07:54.48 | tralala | why would you ever need to edit this by hand? |
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| 07:54.54 | mutante | klys: thanks :) |
| 07:54.55 | klys | had to |
| 07:55.07 | tralala | what for? |
| 07:55.11 | mutante | tralala: to tell dpkg to forget about a "marked for purging", to go from state "pi" back to "Ii" |
| 07:55.14 | mutante | "ii" |
| 07:55.28 | mutante | without having to remove and reinstall |
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| 07:55.36 | tralala | either apt or aptitude will do this |
| 07:55.38 | mutante | and it looks like it worked out :) |
| 07:55.42 | mutante | tralala: how |
| 07:56.15 | tralala | in aptitude you just mark it for installation with + |
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| 07:56.36 | simonlnu | i'ved edited status too. if you're VERY careful you can |
| 07:56.46 | mutante | tralala: that made it tell me it wants to remove a ton of other packages |
| 07:57.09 | klys | old X configurations, i think |
| 07:57.14 | mutante | tralala: see, it was just messed up in the first place , i know , ;) |
| 07:57.32 | tralala | simonlnu: probably, but why? What's wrong with apt, and aptitude? |
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| 07:57.57 | pif | hi, how do I change the order of my grub boot kernels? |
| 07:58.04 | tralala | mutante: it seems that your problem goes beyond this package |
| 07:58.56 | klys | pif: rearrange /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 07:59.23 | tralala | and editing the file directly is unlikely to solve it - maybe just hide it under the rug for a little longer |
| 07:59.32 | mutante | tralala: yes, indeed, thats a long story involving own repos, own packages, conflicts with distro packages, using puppet to auto-upgrade packages, apt preferences.. etc |
| 07:59.45 | pif | klys: hmm, no such file |
| 07:59.51 | pif | I guess it's grub2 then |
| 07:59.59 | pif | though I installed 'grub' |
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| 08:01.14 | tralala | mutante: then you should really get things strait instead of burying yourself into a deeper mess |
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| 08:01.21 | arubin | I performed a default install of Debian testing. Some programs are not able to perform DNS resolution and others cannot. I had this same issue before with stable. This must be a known issue. Any ideas? |
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| 08:02.37 | tralala | arubin: dns resolution works fine in stable, your problem is elsewhere |
| 08:03.33 | klys | Maiku-kun: DISPLAY=:0 xvnc4viewer :1 |
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| 08:05.14 | Maiku-kun | klys: I'll try it when get to computer locally. or maybe such action could be performed from windows client? |
| 08:05.59 | NASDAQEnema | initramfs fails with 3.2.6+ |
| 08:06.06 | NASDAQEnema | i get this |
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| 08:07.24 | NASDAQEnema | Failed to process /etc/kernel/postinst.d at /var/lib/dpkg/info/linux-image-3.2.0-1-rt-amd64.postinst line 696. |
| 08:08.50 | ENSEIRB33 | Hi ! I have a little question, but I think it's about gnome :S |
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| 08:10.05 | peterS | huh. What is the kFreeBSD equivalen to rpc.idmapd, I wonder |
| 08:10.47 | klys | peterS: you might remember me |
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| 08:11.05 | nsadmin | I might remember me too! |
| 08:11.18 | peterS | vaguely |
| 08:11.26 | klys | hey cool you do |
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| 08:11.56 | klys | that's 3 people now |
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| 08:13.35 | peterS | hrrmph, FreeBSD _used_ to have a /sbin/idmapd but it apparently went away in 8.0 or so |
| 08:14.39 | jelly-home | peterS: http://www.unix.com/man-page/freebsd/4/nfsv4/ says there's this nfsuserd(8) |
| 08:14.44 | klys | freebsd-nfs-common |
| 08:15.06 | peterS | jelly-home: yeah, just saw a reference to nfsuserd |
| 08:15.15 | peterS | ...but I don't see that in freebsd-nfs-common either |
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| 08:18.00 | klys | peterS: apt-get source nfs-common |
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| 08:18.40 | peterS | but freebsd-nfs-common is from the freebsd-utils source package |
| 08:19.01 | jelly-home | !kfreebsd |
| 08:19.02 | dpkg | Debian GNU/kFreeBSD is a port that consists of GNU userland using the GNU C library on top of FreeBSD's kernel, coupled with the regular Debian package set. kfreebsd-amd64 and kfreebsd-i386 were released as a "technology preview" for Squeeze, ask me about <install guide>. http://www.debian.org/ports/kfreebsd-gnu/ http://glibc-bsd.alioth.debian.org/doc/ http://wiki.debian.org/Debian_GNU/kFreeBSD_FAQ #debian-kbsd on irc.oftc.net. |
| 08:19.10 | ENSEIRB33 | Under GNOME 2.30, how can I change the window border color with line command ? |
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| 08:20.10 | nsadmin | dunno,,, maybe #gnome |
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| 08:22.38 | ENSEIRB33 | He he, #gnome is the desert of sahara :D there is nobody, we can hear the wind blowing ! |
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| 08:24.55 | klys | ~active |
| 08:24.55 | apt | news, events and projects on the web. URL: http://active.org.au/about/ |
| 08:25.38 | nsadmin | aptvertising?! |
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| 08:27.10 | jelly-home | wtf |
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| 08:28.13 | jelly-home | apt: factinfo active |
| 08:28.13 | apt | error: you do not have enough flags for that. (o required) |
| 08:28.13 | apt | active -- it has been requested 2 times, last by klys, 3m 18s ago. |
| 08:28.24 | jelly-home | !ops apt bot being used for spam |
| 08:28.25 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: jelly-home complains about: apt bot being used for spam |
| 08:29.12 | jelly-home | uh, I completely missed klys explicitely invoking it |
| 08:29.15 | jelly-home | nevermind, then |
| 08:29.52 | zykes- | anyone here got clues on upstart ? http://pastebin.com/MsNvH3n1 how does it get the status of the process ? |
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| 08:30.20 | Maiku-kun | also that URL is unavailable |
| 08:30.24 | Maiku-kun | I mean http://active.org.au/about/ |
| 08:31.01 | jelly-home | it's probably just cruft from the bot's old database |
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| 08:34.08 | NASDAQEnema | relevant if you don't want broken initramfs |
| 08:34.10 | NASDAQEnema | http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2012/01/msg00573.html |
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| 08:35.42 | jelly-home | NASDAQEnema: testing only? |
| 08:35.47 | NASDAQEnema | Comment out the line 'force_load unix' in /usr/share/initramfs-tools/hooks/udev |
| 08:35.47 | NASDAQEnema | and run update-initramfs -u |
| 08:35.55 | RichiH | ~forget active |
| 08:36.14 | jelly-home | RichiH: apt could use a db refresh |
| 08:36.24 | RichiH | ~no active |
| 08:36.24 | NASDAQEnema | nope even in experimental and unstable |
| 08:36.30 | RichiH | ~active |
| 08:36.30 | apt | news, events and projects on the web. URL: http://active.org.au/about/ |
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| 08:37.13 | nsadmin | experimental? you've tried it in experimental (the liklihood of which is working is about 10%)? |
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| 08:37.35 | RichiH | ~no, active is test |
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| 08:37.48 | RichiH | ~forget active |
| 08:37.51 | jelly-home | RichiH: you can do that with /msg y'know! |
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| 08:38.34 | RichiH | jelly-home: i know, but i thought it automagicaly show that's it's done |
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| 08:41.28 | anddam | hi |
| 08:41.55 | klys | hil |
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| 08:42.17 | nsadmin | t |
| 08:42.22 | nsadmin | fun argument |
| 08:42.46 | anddam | on netinst disk what tool can I use to query DNS server and trace network? it seems there isn't busybox's traceroute nor nslookup |
| 08:43.09 | nsadmin | try ping |
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| 08:43.23 | anddam | nsadmin: how do I query DNS server with ping? |
| 08:43.24 | nsadmin | or, get something like live cd |
| 08:43.25 | klys | ping -c |
| 08:43.43 | klys | cat /etc/resolv.conf |
| 08:43.50 | nsadmin | what do you need in order to install? |
| 08:43.58 | anddam | klys: ? |
| 08:44.05 | anddam | a working network |
| 08:44.10 | klys | ifconfig |
| 08:44.13 | klys | route |
| 08:44.25 | anddam | for configuration, I want to test it |
| 08:44.29 | klys | insmod |
| 08:44.31 | nsadmin | you can install without the net |
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| 08:44.49 | anddam | nsadmin: yes, I know |
| 08:45.01 | nsadmin | if you need to do something else, try a live cd or installing it |
| 08:45.08 | anddam | ok |
| 08:45.13 | anddam | bye, thanks |
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| 08:55.56 | panosru | nsadmin: hello, sorry yesterday I had an issue with my isp and I was offline :S |
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| 08:57.39 | panosru | When I try to install libavahi-compat-libdnssd-dev I get this error: https://gist.github.com/dbdc81f54c380f457dce my sources are these: http://pastebin.com/1DvPzNwi is there a possibility to install this package ? |
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| 09:00.37 | nsadmin | ok, so I think the last thing I wanted to get is apt-cache policy libavahi-compat-libdnssd-dev | pastebinit |
| 09:01.13 | nsadmin | it looks like you're getting packages not meant for squeeze |
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| 09:02.10 | Rydekull | http://packages.debian.org/en/squeeze/libavahi-compat-libdnssd-dev |
| 09:02.20 | panosru | nsadmin: here is the output: http://pastebin.com/U81CYtNT (thanks for helping :) ) |
| 09:02.42 | nsadmin | just gathering information... which sometimes is helping... |
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| 09:03.35 | nsadmin | hmm, looks like it is squeeze |
| 09:03.56 | nsadmin | , versions libavahi-compat-libdnssd-dev |
| 09:03.57 | judd | Package: libavahi-compat-libdnssd-dev on i386 -- lenny: 0.6.23-3lenny3; lenny-security: 0.6.23-3lenny3; squeeze: 0.6.27-2+squeeze1; squeeze-security: 0.6.27-2+squeeze1; sid: 0.6.31-1; wheezy: 0.6.31-1 |
| 09:04.20 | nsadmin | yeah, that's the installation candidate |
| 09:04.30 | nsadmin | try aptitude install libavahi-compat-libdnssd-dev |
| 09:05.02 | panosru | nsadmin: this is what I get with aptitude: https://gist.github.com/d1e82cc06831d2ffa8c5 |
| 09:06.40 | nsadmin | aptitude purge libavahi-client-dev libavahi-common-dev |
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| 09:07.00 | panosru | ok done |
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| 09:07.30 | panosru | nsadmin: https://gist.github.com/fc7d56b33e2325ef53c8 |
| 09:07.33 | nsadmin | try the prev command again |
| 09:08.27 | nsadmin | aptitude install libavahi-compat-libdnssd-dev |
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| 09:08.44 | panosru | nsadmin: same output with previous time :/ |
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| 09:10.31 | Rydekull | y |
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| 09:12.32 | nsadmin | edit your sources.list and comment the two bottom lines that mention the word "testing" |
| 09:12.43 | nsadmin | then run aptitude update |
| 09:13.42 | panosru | nsadmin: you mean this: deb http://www.rabbitmq.com/debian/ testing main ? |
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| 09:15.05 | panosru | nsadmin: same issue again :/ |
| 09:15.48 | oshikuru | hi, i am trying to install skype but the entry "deb http://download.skype.com/linux/repos/debian/ stable non-free" mentioned on http://wiki.debian.org/skype is followed by an 404 error when i try to update apt. does anyone the correct entry to install skype ? |
| 09:16.37 | Rydekull | oshikuru: what are you running? |
| 09:17.17 | oshikuru | squeeze 2.6.32-5-amd64 |
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| 09:17.39 | panosru | nsadmin: I guess when I used testing repo I upgraded some packages vital to the system and since I can't down-grade this has as a result the issues I'm getting now. What I'll do is I will un-comment the testing repos and try to run aptitude install libavahi-compat-libdnssd-dev with testing repos, probably it will work.. |
| 09:17.42 | nsadmin | hmm. something had said before those packages were installed and because of that, could not install the others |
| 09:17.44 | panosru | but I know is not the best solution |
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| 09:18.17 | nsadmin | well if you're going to do that, you might as well upgrade to testing |
| 09:18.38 | nsadmin | which as you say is not the greatest solution |
| 09:18.59 | nsadmin | a mixture of testing and stable will break more and more |
| 09:19.01 | panosru | nsadmin: yeah.. I really don't remember why I added testing repos... :S |
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| 09:19.14 | nsadmin | do you have backups? |
| 09:19.20 | Rydekull | oshikuru: http://www.skype.com/intl/en/get-skype/on-your-computer/linux/ |
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| 09:19.28 | panosru | nsadmin: hopefully it is a local debian server only for my development purposes |
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| 09:19.56 | panosru | nsadmin: no I don't have any backup but in any-case since is not a production machine I guess I could say "I don't care that much" :) |
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| 09:20.05 | panosru | nsadmin: I really appreciate your support :) |
| 09:20.34 | nsadmin | ok, is there data you need to keep? perhaps you decided to put /home into its own partition or LV |
| 09:20.44 | oshikuru | Rydekull: yes, i know this url, but is there a way to include it into the sources.list ... want to include skype when i upgrade the system |
| 09:22.26 | panosru | nsadmin: well it's not only /home that I have to keep but also many other things like databases (mysql, mongo, couchdb, redis etc) as I said it is for development purposes so I think it will be more trouble to try to make it stable |
| 09:23.17 | Rydekull | panosru: have you tried doing something as simple as answer the aptitude question with, yes? |
| 09:23.19 | nsadmin | hmm. can you dump all those? |
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| 09:23.42 | Rydekull | nsadmin: you sound very non-enterprise :-P |
| 09:23.43 | nsadmin | that's an interesint question... |
| 09:24.00 | nsadmin | i am NOT a starship!! |
| 09:24.03 | panosru | Rydekull: yes I tried, and the solution it propose is not to install the package I need, now that I installed it with testing repo I can continue my development process |
| 09:24.03 | Rydekull | ;-) |
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| 09:24.43 | nsadmin | I do NOT have those ugly back struts... sheesh... that's supposed to -fly-?! |
| 09:24.43 | Rydekull | panosru: neither of the repos you had in your sources.list contained packages for a higher version of libavahi though |
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| 09:25.08 | Rydekull | panosru: so you must've had some other repo in there previously, maybe? |
| 09:25.15 | nsadmin | hmm, it seems you're in better hands |
| 09:25.23 | panosru | Rydekull: I had testing repos commented, I guess before I comment them I run apt-get upgrade with testing repos.. |
| 09:25.35 | Rydekull | right |
| 09:25.38 | Rydekull | well, just go testing then |
| 09:26.27 | Rydekull | you sound like you're halfway there, if not almost completly |
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| 09:27.07 | Rydekull | panosru: do you get many packages that wants to upgrade if you run apt-get upgrade ? (Dont answer yes, just check the number of packages) |
| 09:27.46 | panosru | Rydekull: so how should I answer if not yes? :P with number of packages? :P |
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| 09:28.06 | Rydekull | panosru: Well, you're free to answer "yes" to me :-P |
| 09:28.20 | Rydekull | panosru: just not to the command, unless you want to completely start a uprade :-P |
| 09:28.25 | Rydekull | upgrade* |
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| 09:29.55 | blue_sky | I need a fs with extended attributes, I can't change my system but I could create a file containg xfs and then mount it, where would I find documentation to do this? |
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| 09:30.46 | Arafangion | blue_sky: It's called loop mounting. |
| 09:30.49 | Rydekull | panosru: what I would do, if I were in your shoes was, ponder the implication of running your dev-environment in testing instead of stable. Sounds like you have some dependencies that require testing-level. So, It seems valid to go there. If you go there though, ponder what implications it may have for your developers and in turn for your production environment |
| 09:30.56 | Arafangion | blue_sky: But it's really nothign special. |
| 09:30.58 | jho | Hi, is there a way to force a certain command to run on a specific network interface while everything else keeps working as usual? |
| 09:31.03 | Rydekull | oshikuru: not to my knowledge |
| 09:31.17 | blue_sky | Arafangion: Thanks, that gives me something to Google! |
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| 09:31.30 | Rydekull | jho: could you try and ask that question in some other way that is a bit more explanatory? |
| 09:32.10 | oshikuru | Rydekull: ok, thanks :) |
| 09:32.16 | blue_sky | Arafangion: what about creating the file containing a filesystem? |
| 09:32.30 | Rydekull | oshikuru: (there used to be though, as you obviously found out, but skype has pulled that repo) |
| 09:32.30 | Arafangion | blue_sky: Also nothing special. Rather than specifying a partition, you specify a file. |
| 09:32.32 | panosru | Rydekull: thanks for the advice :) |
| 09:32.46 | Arafangion | blue_sky: Remember, unix has the 'everything is a file' philosophy. |
| 09:32.46 | MestreLion | Guys, a couple of days ago I've asked here about a way to extract .deb files. dpkg-deb was the answer, but it is quite limited: It does not support multiple filenames, It requires a dir instead of using the filename, and it does not automatically extract DEBIAN in a single command. To make up for all of that, I humbly present you.. debextract: http://pastebin.com/QishAQUD |
| 09:33.09 | jho | Rydekull: Uhh... yeah. I'm running a server (on a puny laptop) that's not normally connected to the outside world at all. I'd like to make a cronjob that downloads and updates a certain file from the internet from time to time. To achieve this I've set up a WLAN connection that I can bring up and down with a simple command |
| 09:33.11 | Rydekull | panosru: good luck in sorting the mess out. And in the future, let a bell ring in your head when you mix stable/testing/unstable-repos. |
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| 09:33.38 | jho | Rydekull: Now I just need to make sure wget works using the wlan0 interface, not eth0 or eth0:1 (neither of which provides routes to the outside world) |
| 09:33.42 | panosru | Rydekull: yeap, I took my lesson now and hopefully in dev-env and not in production :) |
| 09:34.01 | blue_sky | Arafangion: OK, thanks, I think I'm going to be learning today. |
| 09:34.03 | Rydekull | panosru: ;-) |
| 09:34.42 | Rydekull | jho: It will follow your routes, so aslong as your internet gets routed through your wlan0, it will work |
| 09:35.02 | Iridos | jho, actually setting up the interface properly should make sure of that |
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| 09:35.37 | jho | I guess drbl's automated setup script has screwed with my eth0 config then.. Thanks, I'll try to figure it out. :) |
| 09:36.47 | Rydekull | jho: <command to bring up wlan0> && wget google.com ; <command to bring down wlan0> |
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| 09:38.56 | jho | Rydekull: Yeah, thanks, that much I already have figured out. :) Now I'm just wondering what my routes should look like for eth0 if I don't want it to route any traffic outside of 192.168.x.x |
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| 09:40.02 | Rydekull | jho: if your eth0 is on 192.168.x.x and have a correct netmask, all that is needed is to change your default gateway. Your 192.168.x.x traffic will go out by eth0 if it matches that network, to the gateway on that interface |
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| 09:40.38 | Rydekull | jho: route add -net 192.168.x.x 192.168.gateway.ip |
| 09:41.01 | Iridos | jho, just one line for the local net and no router like... 0.0.255.255 192.168.0.0 0.0.255.255 UG 0 0 0 eth0 |
| 09:41.19 | Rydekull | hrm, just realised it might be a slightly better syntax in debian |
| 09:41.20 | Rydekull | jho: route add -net 192.56.76.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 dev eth0 |
| 09:41.27 | Rydekull | jho: like so for example :-) |
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| 09:42.57 | Rydekull | jho: (that is a direct quote from man route) |
| 09:43.04 | jho | Thanks a lot, I'll see if I can figure out. :) |
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| 09:44.09 | jho | Rydekull: What was throwing me off a bit is that I use drbl on the server, and it seems to be fixated on using the 192.168.1.x address space, and the WLAN I'm connecting to uses the same one and I don't have any control over that. |
| 09:44.11 | Rydekull | jho: good luck, make sure you save a output of your working netstat -nr in case you screw something up so you can compare to what a working scenario was |
| 09:44.29 | Rydekull | jho: right |
| 09:44.40 | Rydekull | jho: from where are you fetching your updates then? |
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| 09:44.59 | Rydekull | jho: you can specify to route that host through wlan0 instead |
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| 09:45.57 | jho | Rydekull: download.f-secure.com |
| 09:46.34 | jho | And can I do that? It would be awesome, as the WLAN connection won't be used for anything else |
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| 09:48.41 | sweb | is selinux available for debian ? is useful ? in cent os and other red had family i always disable it |
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| 09:49.06 | rocketmagnet | hi all, when i'm using an genuelintel processor with 64bit - is the ia64 the right iso to choose or amd64 ? i've used amd64 for some reason but i have an intel processor |
| 09:49.20 | rocketmagnet | but things are working |
| 09:49.38 | sweb | rocketmagnet: amd64 also work with intel 64 bit processors |
| 09:49.45 | Rydekull | jho: hmm... f-secure.com seems to be using akamai, you need to check if the IP for where you get the information is changing over time |
| 09:49.46 | jelly | sweb: it's not enabled or installed by default, but there's support for it in the kernel |
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| 09:49.49 | Rydekull | jho: but you can |
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| 09:49.58 | rocketmagnet | sweb: but what's the right iso to choose ? ia64 or ?? |
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| 09:50.05 | jelly | rocketmagnet: amd64. |
| 09:50.10 | Coweater | ia64 is for itanium processors only |
| 09:50.12 | Iridos | rocketmagnet, ia64 is for the italium-type processors |
| 09:50.15 | Rydekull | sweb: selinux is good, both in debian and red hat based OS. Disabling it is taking the "easy way out" and not something that is suggested |
| 09:50.17 | sweb | rocketmagnet: amd64 |
| 09:50.19 | Arafangion | rocketmagnet: Depends on if your genuine intel CPU works *only* in 64-bit, or is a result of Intel's copycat behaviour with AMD. |
| 09:50.28 | Rydekull | sweb: But, you ask, if it is available and useful, yes |
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| 09:50.44 | rocketmagnet | so amd64 was the right one to choose |
| 09:50.56 | rocketmagnet | is there no iso for intel 64bit cpu |
| 09:50.58 | rocketmagnet | s |
| 09:50.59 | rocketmagnet | ? |
| 09:51.05 | Rydekull | rocketmagnet: amd64 is for a 64-bit x86, the naming convention has history reasons |
| 09:51.08 | jelly | rocketmagnet: there IS. IT's amd64. |
| 09:51.13 | sweb | rocketmagnet: yeah my cpu is Core duo 2 intel. i'm using Ubuntu amd64 |
| 09:51.24 | Iridos | rocketmagnet, amd64 IS the one for intel 64bit cpu |
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| 09:52.31 | rocketmagnet | one thing i find strange is that /proc/cpuinfo gives me 8 cpu infos (from 0 to 7) but i don't think i've 8 cores |
| 09:52.34 | sweb | Rydekull: when i must use selinux ? any guide for that ? |
| 09:52.42 | Arafangion | rocketmagnet: Basically, Intel's 64-bit CPU is incompatible with x86 binaries, and the market demanded compatibility. AMD delivered, so Intel had to follow. The result is that what most people regard as an 'Intel 64-bit CPU' is infact, AMD64. |
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| 09:52.49 | ksk | rocketmagnet: hyperthreading |
| 09:53.23 | rocketmagnet | ksk: what's that for ? has this something to do with graphics ?? |
| 09:53.26 | Rydekull | sweb: You never *must* use it. But, if you ever run a server in a production environment, it is one of the better measures to add a secure layer to your server |
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| 09:53.33 | jelly | Rydekull: uh, selinux policies in Debian are VERY incomplete. Debian doesn't use it for a reason. |
| 09:53.56 | Rydekull | jelly: agreed |
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| 09:54.14 | jelly | Rydekull: telling people it's "not suggested to disable it" is wrong |
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| 09:54.23 | barbadillo | hi all, I'm on lenny but I have to upgrade php to a version higher than the one on the repository |
| 09:54.24 | rocketmagnet | i've troubles with the nvidia official drivers to get 3d accelleration on my acer aspire 5750g (it has 2 video cards inside - one intel and a gefore gt540m |
| 09:54.40 | Rydekull | jelly: He was speaking of red hat based aswell, but I agree, I could've been a bit more specific in my answer |
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| 09:54.58 | rocketmagnet | the driver does install normaly but glxinfo does not gives me hardware accelleration =( |
| 09:55.09 | Rydekull | sweb: Mind you, as jelly pointed out. My answer for "disabling it is not recommended" was for your comment on Red Hat based OSes where you disabled it |
| 09:55.15 | Rydekull | sweb: it is not enabled by default in debian |
| 09:55.26 | Rydekull | jelly: happy with my clarification? :-) |
| 09:55.28 | rocketmagnet | i'm using squeeze - do you think i should try testing ? |
| 09:56.08 | barbadillo | how can I upgrade php without breaking my production server? |
| 09:56.14 | sweb | Rydekull: great. in any articles i see that tell admins to disable it . i hear about when i install it install and configuring application is so hard |
| 09:56.14 | rocketmagnet | or is it the best to compile the kernel on my own (so i've the latest kernel with all features and bugfixes) |
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| 09:56.40 | klys | going to reboot, anyone needs a linux-2.6.26 say so |
| 09:56.56 | Eninem | people still use 2.6? |
| 09:57.13 | klys | it's lenny |
| 09:57.18 | Rydekull | sweb: well. Selinux can be a pain, it certainly has been in the past. In general, like jelly say, it still is a big pain running it with debian. It is geting better with RH. But, all application vendors that suggest "disable selinux" are also taking the "easy way out" |
| 09:57.23 | Arafangion | People still use lenny? |
| 09:57.26 | Eninem | lol |
| 09:58.10 | Arafangion | Rydekull: It's interesting to see how it's effectively been applied to the smart-phone arena. |
| 09:58.21 | tralala | people still use computers!?! |
| 09:58.23 | Arafangion | Rydekull: Although it isn't selinux itself, it's interesting. |
| 09:58.30 | Rydekull | Arafangion: agreed |
| 09:59.04 | Rydekull | Arafangion: MAC-protection is good |
| 09:59.19 | Arafangion | Rydekull: Personally, I still think that the humble jail is a better option. |
| 09:59.53 | sweb | Rydekull: did you ever enable it your production server ? |
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| 10:00.01 | Rydekull | sweb: yes |
| 10:00.05 | Rydekull | sweb: debian, no |
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| 10:00.41 | sweb | Rydekull: if i(admin) just access the shell need to be instal just for web servers ? |
| 10:01.51 | Rydekull | Arafangion: well, I guess it depends on what you want to achieve. But, jails and selinux isnt really the same thing |
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| 10:02.10 | Arafangion | Rydekull: No, it depends on theory. |
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| 10:03.28 | Rydekull | sweb: Your sentence was a little weird there. But, let me try and be more precise. If you have previous knowledge of SElinux and know what you are doing, are setting up a webserver on debian. then do go ahead and try and enable it. It WILL give you pain. If you dont have extensive previous experience with selinux and want to enable it on debian, dont. |
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| 10:04.02 | sweb | Rydekull: ok ty 4 guide |
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| 10:04.03 | Rydekull | sweb: if you want to learn selinux, since you are really interested in going through the pain and adding that extra layer of security, do so. |
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| 10:04.31 | Rydekull | sweb: But, really, if you want to start learning selinux, or run a webserver with selinux, RH-based distros are much easier to start with |
| 10:05.29 | Arafangion | Rydekull: There are those of us who feel that it's more about *accountability* than security, after all, not much stops the developer from simply claiming that they need services they could very well do without. |
| 10:05.34 | Rydekull | Arafangion: well, I'd say SElinux is better then jails in general, but most times I agree, jails are just good enough |
| 10:06.02 | Arafangion | Rydekull: Perhaps something more like both are appropriate. |
| 10:06.08 | Rydekull | Arafangion: isnt that what they always do? |
| 10:06.21 | Arafangion | Rydekull: Yep, which doesn't help my cynicism. |
| 10:06.49 | Rydekull | Arafangion: I'd say, Apparmor was/is on the right track in ease of use. but selinux is still better in what it does |
| 10:06.55 | Arafangion | Rydekull: It's particularly bad on the Android, actually. A lot of the applications just require "full network access", and I'm worried about privacy... One ends up having to suck it up and live with it. :( |
| 10:06.59 | Rydekull | then again, they arent really the same either |
| 10:07.20 | Rydekull | I like how Solaris handles MAC, and RBAC-scenarios, they do it quite well |
| 10:07.42 | Arafangion | The other problem is that they either *require* whatever access they ask for... They generally don't degrade gracefully. |
| 10:07.53 | Rydekull | yeah |
| 10:08.00 | Rydekull | its a spiral going upwards |
| 10:08.16 | Arafangion | The good thing about Jails, is it's doen without developer cooperation. |
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| 10:12.03 | Iridos | privacy concerns on the google device? |
| 10:12.18 | Iridos | because "this stuff matters"? |
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| 10:12.31 | Arafangion | Iridos: Oh, it matters, but most of us, myself included, have generally given up.l |
| 10:12.46 | Iridos | that was a quote... |
| 10:13.01 | Arafangion | I didn't catch the reference. |
| 10:13.03 | Rydekull | Arafangion: given up? |
| 10:13.14 | Arafangion | Rydekull: I even have facebook! |
| 10:13.19 | Rydekull | Arafangion: well |
| 10:13.46 | Rydekull | Arafangion: Privary is privacy, its a opt-out thing. If you want to share, you are welcome. You just shouldnt be forced to share |
| 10:14.00 | Rydekull | err, Privacy is privacy* |
| 10:14.15 | Iridos | Privacy is piracy? |
| 10:14.17 | Rydekull | Arafangion: if you want to share information on facebook, do so. |
| 10:14.18 | Arafangion | Rydekull: Is it really an opt-out thing? |
| 10:14.26 | Rydekull | Arafangion: I'd say so |
| 10:14.31 | Arafangion | Rydekull: I disagree. |
| 10:14.40 | Rydekull | Arafangion: Privacy by default, Opt-out to share what you want |
| 10:14.54 | Iridos | time to move the facebook-privacy-discussion to #debian-offtopic, I think |
| 10:15.19 | Arafangion | Rydekull: There is now so much market research that big shopping centers may know when a teenager is pregnant before her parents do. |
| 10:15.21 | Rydekull | Iridos: you felt that we conflicted with the ongoing subjects? |
| 10:15.52 | Iridos | Rydekull, well... if some come up, you might not notice anymore - neither someone else :) |
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| 10:16.49 | Rydekull | Iridos: not sure I agree with that :-) |
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| 10:17.51 | Iridos | ok, then pretty please because it would make _me_ feel better talking about it there? |
| 10:18.21 | Rydekull | Iridos: I've already honored your request, just saying I dont agree with your reasoning :-) |
| 10:18.38 | Iridos | oh well... fairysnuff |
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| 10:28.52 | barbadillo | is it safe to upgrade php using dpkg and some .deb package? |
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| 10:30.08 | klys | barbadillo: on debian, yes |
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| 10:31.29 | jelly | barbadillo: it depends on the source of said .deb package. Official packages are available from Debian mirrors. Any other package, or even a Debian package for a different release, may have grave consequences. |
| 10:31.42 | nsadmin | that's actually a tough question... php in debian is mostly tied to apache (should not be, other servers can use php, but it is) and I keep hearing stories about how someone wants a specific php and has to build it or backport it, and needs other sources (like apache) to be present while it's being built |
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| 10:31.48 | jelly | barbadillo: do you trust the source of "some .deb package"? |
| 10:31.55 | nsadmin | it seems like a nightmare every time |
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| 10:32.04 | jargon- | ^ |
| 10:32.10 | barbadillo | jelly, I think I have to trust |
| 10:32.25 | barbadillo | jelly, they are from dotdeb.org |
| 10:32.45 | nsadmin | dotdeb is one nightmarish source |
| 10:33.03 | barbadillo | it is just from 5.2.6 to 5.2.8 |
| 10:33.12 | nsadmin | why do you need to do that? |
| 10:33.22 | nsadmin | why not use 5.2.6? |
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| 10:33.24 | barbadillo | nsadmin, to use cake-php |
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| 10:33.55 | barbadillo | it needs 5.2.8 at least |
| 10:34.14 | nsadmin | aha. that's a symptom of how unstable php is... one point release and you have the introduction of an incompatible feature |
| 10:34.29 | nsadmin | ok, two point releases in this case |
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| 10:35.07 | ansgar | barbadillo: You know that Lenny no longer has security support? |
| 10:35.08 | nsadmin | it's this exactly that has me stay away from php entirely |
| 10:35.50 | barbadillo | ansgar, no I don't |
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| 10:36.02 | nsadmin | some people say that the language designers are getting better... this is not evidence of that |
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| 10:36.49 | ansgar | barbadillo: And php 5.2 isn't supported upstream any longer either since Janurary 2011. |
| 10:37.13 | jelly | barbadillo: I'd take a second machine, install Debian 6 (with php 5.3.3) and migrate the apps. |
| 10:37.24 | nsadmin | compare to tcl in this regard, and you will find php is balsa wood wet with kerocene while tcl is solid as titanium |
| 10:37.55 | jelly | barbadillo: or take a second machine, clone the current one and try a lenny->squeeze upgrade. |
| 10:38.10 | barbadillo | jelly, it would be great but I'm on a vps |
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| 10:38.50 | jelly | barbadillo: so but a second vps, test out the distro release upgrade |
| 10:38.52 | jelly | buy* |
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| 10:39.29 | barbadillo | jelly, pretty expensive |
| 10:39.45 | nsadmin | you won't need it longer than a day or a week |
| 10:39.57 | nsadmin | test it at home |
| 10:40.04 | nsadmin | then test it out there |
| 10:40.39 | barbadillo | that sounds better |
| 10:40.43 | nsadmin | nail down exactly what you want to know, test for that, automate the test and then maybe you only need it for a coupla hours |
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| 10:42.05 | sohum | is there any way to express in a package's dependencies "if package X is installed at version < v_X, and you want package Y and version v_Y, you need to update package X to v_X or higher"? |
| 10:42.09 | nsadmin | I have to say, I don't recommend php at all... and this is not necessarily because of the language, it's more because the designers have seen fit to add features to point releases |
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| 10:42.37 | sohum | i.e., depends-only-if-already-installed |
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| 10:43.20 | nsadmin | do you really want that? or would it be much better to rethink your design? |
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| 10:43.53 | sohum | it's not a design of anything specific, it's just idle curiosity... |
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| 10:44.56 | sohum | inspired by the fact that the latest chromium update assumes some mesa 8.0 bugfixes and thus unblocks intellinux graphics cards |
| 10:45.02 | barbadillo | nsadmin, I'm just trying to learn a framework someone asked me to learn |
| 10:45.21 | sohum | so it would be obviously wrong for it to depend on mesa >8.0, because not everyone uses mesa |
| 10:45.36 | sohum | but if you _do_ have mesa it should be updated to 8.0 |
| 10:45.51 | nsadmin | barbadillo, php is fairly popular, so if you hurry you can make some money... |
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| 10:46.22 | barbadillo | nsadmin, that's the point |
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| 10:46.43 | nsadmin | just know there exist frameworks where the underlying scripting language have not changed much over like 10 years |
| 10:46.52 | nsadmin | very very solid and stable |
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| 10:47.21 | nsadmin | and the maints are VERY careful to NOT BREAK EXISTING CODE |
| 10:47.40 | stephanb | hi there, when updating my system i get "dpkg: error processing initramfs-tools (--install): cannot access archive: No such file or directory" any ideas? |
| 10:47.58 | jelly | nsadmin: or they announce it, like Python does |
| 10:48.13 | nsadmin | right, and they have not needed to |
| 10:49.00 | mntzn | are there any keys to apt-get install so that daemon wont start after it's installed |
| 10:49.11 | nsadmin | people see tcl and go "ugh, tcl"... and I did that, and didn't like the language at first |
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| 10:49.56 | Arafangion | And then, you have emacs. |
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| 10:50.27 | nsadmin | and it looks messy when you write it... and, it's solid... not easy to crash |
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| 10:53.00 | Rydekull | stephanb: could you pastebin your complete output, from the command you executed until the end |
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| 10:59.47 | stephanb | Rydekull: http://paste.debian.net/159818/ |
| 11:00.00 | stephanb | thats all, not very informative though |
| 11:00.36 | Rydekull | stephanb: agreed, you left out in what directory you tried to execute that command and the ls -la output of that directory :-) |
| 11:00.56 | Rydekull | stephanb: im curious though, what compells you to do dpkg -i on initramfs-tools by hand? |
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| 11:02.26 | gypsymauro | hi |
| 11:02.35 | Rydekull | that's what she said |
| 11:02.53 | gypsymauro | I've some maildir folders, there is a way to delete attachments on oldest mails? |
| 11:02.53 | stephanb | Rydekull: i don't think that the directory is important here, i used "dpkg -i" because apt-get dist-upgrade didn't work |
| 11:03.06 | Rydekull | stephanb: it is |
| 11:03.26 | Rydekull | stephanb: could you instead provide the apt-get dist-upgrade output? :-) |
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| 11:04.21 | stephanb | Rydekull: http://paste.debian.net/159820/ |
| 11:04.30 | blueyes_1986 | hi |
| 11:04.34 | blueyes_1986 | list! |
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| 11:05.08 | jubo2 | Where is the touchpad anti-sides-of-thumbs-causing-accidental-clicks-and-cursor-moves-algo, where is the two finger gestures ( why not even three or four finger gestures if supported by the hardware ) .. why algorithms to do these tasks are not widely circulated / unavailable for Debian GNU/Linux ? |
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| 11:05.24 | jubo2 | I'm on KDE and Compiz if that matters.. |
| 11:05.30 | Rydekull | stephanb: im sure, you do, as I see a difference in the error message you are recieving? :-) |
| 11:06.10 | jubo2 | Apple has had anti-accidental-touchpad-algos for over 10 yrs, where are the ones for Linuxen ? |
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| 11:07.00 | stephanb | Rydekull: yeah... seems like sysfs is the problem here, can you tell me how to mount sysfs on debian? |
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| 11:07.28 | Rydekull | stephanb: What are you running? it looks like that is knoppix? And not debian? |
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| 11:08.02 | stephanb | Rydekull: i figured it out myself... no, i chrooted into debian from knoppix ;) |
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| 11:08.11 | Rydekull | stephanb: :-) |
| 11:08.28 | Rydekull | stephanb: just so that you understand the previous error you were recieving and why I was so curious about the dir you were in |
| 11:08.44 | Rydekull | stephanb: the error you recieved "--install bla bla archive, No such file" etc |
| 11:09.03 | Rydekull | stephanb: kinda means that the package you are trying to install does not exist where you are standing |
| 11:09.27 | stephanb | Rydekull: i received such an error? let me look it up |
| 11:09.40 | Rydekull | 11:59 < stephanb> Rydekull: http://paste.debian.net/159818/ |
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| 11:10.11 | stephanb | Rydekull: yeah i see, i simply thought dkpg uses a standard-dir... |
| 11:10.39 | Rydekull | stephanb: it needs the file, with path, if you are not in the filedir |
| 11:12.09 | stephanb | Rydekull: yeah... didn't think of that |
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| 11:13.13 | Rydekull | gypsymauro: maybe this will aid you in your quest: http://www.ducea.com/2006/11/25/cleanup-maildir-folders-archive-delete-old-mails/ |
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| 11:15.07 | Rydekull | gypsymauro: I have not used it, I have no experience with it, im just trying to help you find something |
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| 11:18.50 | test25325 | how can I block network manager from roaming to spesific ap (blacklist) ? |
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| 11:20.46 | gypsymauro | tank you Rydekull |
| 11:21.18 | klys | ~ko |
| 11:21.18 | apt | from memory, ko is KNOCK OUT |
| 11:21.28 | klys | ~modpost |
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| 11:22.40 | Rydekull | (ko is cow in swedish) |
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| 11:27.14 | map7 | I'm trying to get postgresql 9.1 working under Debian sid, can anyone help? |
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| 11:30.01 | sllide | i installed debian, but after i updated some packages, i cant change my brightness anymore, the laptop wont shutdown and the screen flickers sometimes |
| 11:30.08 | sllide | how can i fix this? |
| 11:30.11 | exussum | hi, How can i make something auto start as a set user ? so not the system user |
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| 11:30.28 | nsadmin | map7, debian sid? you're actually going to try doing real work on that? |
| 11:30.49 | map7 | development work yeah |
| 11:30.55 | nsadmin | I suppose you can get it, and it may be bug free so leaked into testing |
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| 11:31.02 | nsadmin | I hope you back up. |
| 11:31.05 | nsadmin | a LOT. |
| 11:31.08 | spiekey | hello! |
| 11:31.32 | spiekey | i have debian squezze (upgraded from lenny) and my nic order is weird. |
| 11:31.35 | nsadmin | well let's see... |
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| 11:31.44 | nsadmin | , versions postgresql |
| 11:31.45 | themill | map7: seeing as postgresql-9.1 is available for squeeze too, that's not necessarily a good justification for running sid. |
| 11:31.45 | judd | Package: postgresql on i386 -- lenny-security: 8.3.16-0lenny1; lenny: 8.3.17-0lenny1; lenny-backports: 8.4.9-0squeeze1~bpo50+1; lenny-backports: 8.4.10-0squeeze1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 8.4.10-0squeeze1; squeeze-proposed-updates: 8.4.11-0squeeze1; squeeze-security: 8.4.11-0squeeze1; lenny-backports-sloppy: 9.1+124~bpo50+1; wheezy: 9.1+128; sid: 9.1+129 |
| 11:31.46 | spiekey | my real nic order does not match /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules |
| 11:31.52 | spiekey | anyone any idea? |
| 11:32.07 | vlt | Hello. Since I updated mysql-server-5.1 I had to restart the daemon process twice already because it froze. I tried to find out what has changed but I get a 404 from http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/m/mysql-5.1/mysql-5.1_5.1.61-0+squeeze1/changelog -- Any idea what happened here? |
| 11:32.12 | Elfe | spiekey: did you look at udev rules? |
| 11:32.21 | sllide | i think there is something wrong with some controller in my pc, or how linux talks to that controller |
| 11:32.41 | spiekey | Elfe, what do you mean? |
| 11:32.52 | ageis | vlt: look in /usr/share/doc/mysql-server for the local changelog |
| 11:33.09 | vlt | ageis: Thanks. |
| 11:33.24 | Elfe | spiekey: http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/10254/how-to-change-the-order-of-the-network-cards-eth1-eth0-on-linux |
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| 11:34.11 | map7 | themill, fair enough. I've got everything else working under sid and pretty happy that nothing is broken. I do back up a lot and only require emacs and a few basic things so I can work |
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| 11:35.18 | nsadmin | map7, wait until tomorrow's mirror pulse... everything will work much better... or... some things will work much better... or... some things will still work... or... |
| 11:35.48 | spiekey | Elfe, hmm...i have the modules in /etc/modules, maybe i should remove them from there? |
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| 11:36.16 | Elfe | spiekey: no idea |
| 11:36.17 | nsadmin | map7, point is, sid changes right under you... |
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| 11:41.54 | Arafangion | And Sid never gets better. |
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| 11:44.34 | nsadmin | or worse... or more stable... or less stable... it stays the same mostly not including the total disasters that often don't affect a particular user at all... but sometimes affects you... or everyone... |
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| 11:45.58 | vlt | I have read mysql-server's changelog. There was an update a few days ago. Are mysql servers running on 100% cpu a known issue here since then? |
| 11:46.11 | nsadmin | it's good to hear you back up... you may be restoring sometimes... make sure you know how :) |
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| 11:46.47 | nsadmin | vlt, wouldn't know, I use pg |
| 11:47.24 | themill | vlt: it was unfortunately a pretty massive change in mysql, but I've not heard of others having that problems, no. |
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| 11:49.28 | vlt | themill: Ok, thank you. |
| 11:49.59 | themill | vlt: I assume that you've checked bugs.debian.org |
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| 11:51.40 | Arafangion | doesn't understand why people use mysql. |
| 11:53.47 | nsadmin | because it has an undeserved but awesome installed base, probably brought about by a massive initial marketing campaign |
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| 11:54.03 | Rydekull | habit, easy to use, many guides written about it, LAMP, etc |
| 11:54.06 | Rydekull | many reasons? |
| 11:54.31 | nsadmin | pg is easy to use, in fact it's probably easier because it's consistant |
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| 11:55.05 | nsadmin | it was marketing |
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| 11:55.26 | nsadmin | it's the same reason microsoft is rich now |
| 11:55.30 | Arafangion | nsadmin: SHitty marketing, "ACID is crap, nobody needs it <-- With no explaination!" |
| 11:55.37 | themill | points towards #debian-offtopic |
| 11:55.50 | Arafangion | themill: It smells there. |
| 11:56.18 | nsadmin | and that doesn't attract people even more? |
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| 11:56.22 | fahi | Arafangion: InnoDB does ACID and is default now I think |
| 11:56.36 | Arafangion | fahi: Too late, already lost my respect. |
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| 11:58.00 | sllide | how can i update my kernel? |
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| 11:58.34 | nsadmin | sllide, from? to? reason? debian version? |
| 11:58.50 | fahi | Arafangion: I like pg much better too, but you should at least compare the state they are in right now :) |
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| 11:59.56 | nsadmin | fahi, I don't think the authors and maints of mysql are going in a direction I'm willing to go as well |
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| 12:00.14 | sllide | nsadmin, faulty acpi, from 2.6.32 to 3.0 in debian 6 |
| 12:00.19 | Arafangion | fahi: The original authors have started up a new database project, and it's an even bigger joke. :( |
| 12:00.28 | themill | dpkg: tell sllide about bpo kernel |
| 12:00.48 | Arafangion | fahi: Called "MariaDB". |
| 12:01.04 | sllide | themill, thanks |
| 12:01.06 | nsadmin | sllide, there;s 3.2.0 at least in backports |
| 12:01.22 | sllide | 3.0 has LTS support |
| 12:01.23 | fahi | Arafangion: I have not heard of that yet |
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| 12:01.27 | nsadmin | I have no idea if it would fix your problems tho |
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| 12:01.47 | sllide | nsadmin, i can take a shot 2.6 is at the end of lts anyway |
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| 12:02.15 | gulzar | is using both DVD and net sources for installation and update creates any problem? |
| 12:02.21 | Arafangion | fahi: I'll leave you to your googling, then. |
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| 12:02.28 | themill | sllide: 2.6.32 and 3.2.x will receive long term support and new drivers added to them by the debian kernel team. |
| 12:03.10 | nsadmin | at least a year if not 1.5 |
| 12:03.21 | sllide | ah well 3.2 it is |
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| 12:03.59 | sllide | but the 3.2 kernel is stable right? |
| 12:04.17 | themill | sllide: the 3.2 kernel will be wheezy's kernel |
| 12:04.29 | fahi | Is wheezy still looking towards a time based freeze in june? |
| 12:04.35 | themill | yes |
| 12:04.45 | fahi | ah cool, thanks |
| 12:04.51 | gulzar | fahi: yes |
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| 12:06.53 | nsadmin | wait, how do you know that? there could be 3.4 by the time wheezy freezes |
| 12:07.14 | themill | !wheezy kernel |
| 12:07.15 | dpkg | Wheezy will release with the Linux 3.2 kernel, with additional features backported (from later kernel versions) to provide better hardware support. See http://lists.debian.org/20120129182205.GR12704@decadent.org.uk for further details. |
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| 12:08.25 | nsadmin | any idea why they decided this early? |
| 12:09.39 | gulzar | is using both DVD and net sources for installation and update creates any problem? |
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| 12:10.23 | nsadmin | gulzar, I don't see a problem... and, the dvd will become less and less relevent |
| 12:11.04 | nsadmin | what version of debian? if stable, the dvd will lose relevence much more slowly |
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| 12:14.16 | gulzar | nsadmin: Ok.. |
| 12:14.26 | gulzar | nsadmin: debian 6 |
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| 12:15.02 | gulzar | nsadmin: its debian 6 DVD1 the first release |
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| 12:15.50 | nsadmin | you mean like 6.0.1? |
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| 12:16.26 | gulzar | nsadmin: 6.0.0 |
| 12:16.47 | gulzar | nsadmin: this is from source : deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 6.0.0 _Squeeze_ - Official i386 DVD Binary-1 20110205-17:27]/ squeeze contrib main |
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| 12:17.18 | nsadmin | oh ok... at some pt you may wish to burn a 6.0.4 dvd1 |
| 12:17.25 | themill | why? |
| 12:17.37 | nsadmin | and, you don't have to since the net will take care of that angle too |
| 12:17.46 | gulzar | nsadmin: there are many many apps that I may want in future.. but want to update my sys also so want both enabled |
| 12:18.10 | gulzar | nsadmin: my net is slow.. i can' download such a big DVD. I got this one with my Linux magazine |
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| 12:19.22 | nsadmin | but let's look at your original question "does this combo create a problem", no |
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| 12:19.59 | nsadmin | but let's look at your original question "does this combo create a problem", no |
| 12:20.24 | gulzar | nsadmin: OK.. then will use both |
| 12:20.30 | gulzar | nsadmin: thank you |
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| 12:21.11 | gulzar | nsadmin: currently I added only this one : deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian squeeze main contrib non-free . Which others are possible? |
| 12:21.49 | nsadmin | np... and if you ever decide to upgrade the dvd image, you should only do so if you think that over time you'd be downloading less, and I'm not sure you'd ever get there |
| 12:22.11 | nsadmin | well you probably want security updates and you may want backports |
| 12:22.29 | nsadmin | and possibly the dmm stuff |
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| 12:22.45 | nsadmin | not sure he heard any of that |
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| 12:23.00 | nsadmin | np... and if you ever decide to upgrade the dvd image, you should only do so if you think that over time you'd be downloading less, and I'm not sure you'd ever get there |
| 12:23.03 | bullgard4 | Is the »rescue shell« mentioned in http://wiki.debian.org/InitramfsDebug identical with that in http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/html_node/GRUB-only-offers-a-rescue-shell.html? |
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| 12:23.06 | nsadmin | well you probably want security updates and you may want backports\ |
| 12:23.09 | nsadmin | and possibly the dmm stuff |
| 12:23.10 | gulzar | nsadmin: so which other repos? |
| 12:23.33 | nsadmin | I have no idea because I don't have an y idea what your focus it |
| 12:23.36 | nsadmin | is |
| 12:23.47 | gulzar | nsadmin: Ok.. Thank you |
| 12:24.00 | nsadmin | but you should consider security updates |
| 12:24.25 | gulzar | nsadmin: Ok.. will keep in mind. |
| 12:24.35 | gulzar | nsadmin: Thank you :) |
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| 12:25.05 | sllide | i got backport and updated my package list and all |
| 12:25.14 | sllide | but the final command to download and install 3.2 confuses me |
| 12:25.29 | sllide | aptitude -t squeeze-backports install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` |
| 12:25.57 | nsadmin | oh, uname -r will make it be the same as what you have |
| 12:26.06 | sllide | so i just put 3.2 there? |
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| 12:26.28 | nsadmin | yeah, you can try apt-cache policy linux-image-3.2 |
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| 12:26.59 | guardian | hmm is there a backup guide you would recommend that stands out compared to the gazillions of howtos available? |
| 12:27.03 | colo-work | anyone using Squeeze as a host system for a KVM-based virtualization solution? if so, what kind of (guest OS/instance) management solution do you use? |
| 12:27.30 | nsadmin | guardian, it depends very much on your situation |
| 12:28.40 | sllide | nsadmin, http://pastebin.com/ETkXgwpq |
| 12:28.42 | guardian | backup a whole debian squeeze box, bare metal recovery. i'm using rdiff-backup and excluded stuff like /sys/* /proc/* /var/cache/* etc, the usual suspects. also dumped dpkg —get-selections. do i need more? |
| 12:28.49 | nsadmin | it goes anywhere from make tarballs of each of your partitions to figuring what part is the system (to backup seldom) and what part is your personal files (to backup weekly/daily/hourly) |
| 12:28.50 | sllide | i'm being careful hehe |
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| 12:28.52 | nsadmin | but |
| 12:29.05 | nsadmin | ALL of those depend on your being able to restore. |
| 12:29.56 | guardian | yeah i know, i'm testing recovery right now. if it works, i'm done :) |
| 12:30.28 | guardian | testing recovery being, copy all fimes to an empty root partition then boot it (that's why i'm not really sure i need dpkg --get-selections) |
| 12:30.38 | jelly | guardian: partition table layout? |
| 12:30.45 | jelly | guardian: LVM/MD layout? |
| 12:30.55 | guardian | single partition, no LVM |
| 12:31.01 | guardian | kinda simplifies it |
| 12:31.05 | jelly | guardian: directories inside /var/cache ? |
| 12:31.13 | guardian | excluded |
| 12:31.29 | jelly | guardian: that's a fail. You can only safely exclude _files_ |
| 12:31.49 | jelly | packages will fail if the dirs are missing |
| 12:31.52 | nsadmin | single partition... what is the purpose of the box? |
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| 12:32.27 | guardian | oh, didn't know. |
| 12:32.37 | jelly | about half my servers are single mountpoint these days. Well. Separate disk for /boot |
| 12:32.48 | guardian | msadmin: two partitions in fact. root partition and /jenkins partition. it's a vm running inside esxi free |
| 12:33.10 | jelly | leroy? |
| 12:33.17 | nsadmin | remote? |
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| 12:33.37 | guardian | it's meant to be a jenkins master node, and all the jenkins config and build artifacts are in /jenkins which is backed up entirely |
| 12:33.45 | abrotman | leroy jenkins? |
| 12:33.54 | guardian | jenkins == continuous integration server |
| 12:33.58 | guardian | the hudson fork |
| 12:34.32 | guardian | had to wikipedia leroy jenkins :) |
| 12:34.58 | guardian | jelly: what should i keep in /var/cache? mostly everything? |
| 12:35.19 | sllide | how can i fix this? http://pastebin.com/ETkXgwpq |
| 12:35.40 | jelly | guardian: just the directories |
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| 12:36.13 | guardian | all the subdirectories? |
| 12:36.18 | jelly | correct |
| 12:36.34 | guardian | ok |
| 12:36.45 | guardian | well i'm glad i asked and you all helped, thank you |
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| 12:37.24 | themill | sllide: that's not what dpkg or the backports website told you to do to install the kernel |
| 12:37.44 | Darkbulb | I have forgot the luks passphrase for this box but I have the root. How do I change the luks passphrase |
| 12:37.49 | jelly | !what to backup |
| 12:37.49 | jelly | huh |
| 12:37.49 | jelly | dpkg: you suck |
| 12:37.49 | dpkg | Some things you should back up include: /etc /home /root /usr/local /usr/src /opt /srv. Tailor to your own purposes. If you think you don't need /var, make sure you don't forget /var/lib/dpkg /var/lib/apt* /var/lib/mysql /var/mail /var/www /var/cache/debconf /var/spool/cron ... |
| 12:38.03 | jelly | nah, ignore that |
| 12:38.04 | sllide | themill, really? |
| 12:38.13 | themill | sllide: really. |
| 12:38.18 | sllide | my bad -.- |
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| 12:39.32 | kesroesweyth | I have two debian systems that I only have remote access to, and overnight, both SSH sessions dropped to those machines. I didn't lost internet access, though, so where on those servers can I look to see if they crashed somehow or if someone rebooted them for some reason? |
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| 12:39.45 | kesroesweyth | I know probably in /var/log, but which logs? |
| 12:41.00 | ksk | kesroesweyth: syslog |
| 12:41.07 | Darkbulb | syslog |
| 12:41.10 | fahi | kesroesweyth: you could check the uptime to see if they were rebooted, it should also be in syslog |
| 12:41.22 | kesroesweyth | uptime! so simple :P |
| 12:41.35 | kesroesweyth | 86 days... hrm |
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| 12:42.26 | nsadmin | it's probably time to consider that the connections may have been dropped on the local side |
| 12:42.48 | nsadmin | or thru some network glitch in the middle |
| 12:43.04 | Rydekull | kesroesweyth: even simpler: w |
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| 12:43.30 | bullgard4 | Is the »rescue shell« mentioned in http://wiki.debian.org/InitramfsDebug identical with that in http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/html_node/GRUB-only-offers-a-rescue-shell.html? |
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| 12:43.34 | kesroesweyth | Rydekull > w only shows that I am on. Is there something more I can see with it? |
| 12:43.37 | Darkbulb | how do you recover the luks passphrase from an already booted box |
| 12:43.46 | Rydekull | kesroesweyth: uptime |
| 12:43.49 | kesroesweyth | nsadmin > Yeah, probably you're right. |
| 12:43.59 | kesroesweyth | Rydekull > I checked that already. 86 days and some hours. |
| 12:44.09 | nsadmin | look thru daemon.log on the server too |
| 12:44.15 | kesroesweyth | nsadmin > k |
| 12:44.51 | nsadmin | don't just take what I said as be-all end-all, investigate and form opinion |
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| 12:45.25 | kesroesweyth | trying :) |
| 12:45.28 | Arafangion | nsadmin: I was of the opinion that whatever you said was teh be-all and end-all of all things! |
| 12:45.42 | Arafangion | nsadmin: Are you denying me my opinion? </awkward> |
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| 12:46.23 | fahi | kesroesweyth: keep in mind that your router's paket filter might time out the connection by itself. You can set ServerAliveInterval in the client or ClientAliveInterval in the server and try to reproduce it overnight |
| 12:46.24 | nsadmin | I'm not doing anything to your opinion... believe what you want... and tell me how to exploit! |
| 12:47.05 | Arafangion | is shaken to his core. |
| 12:47.14 | kesroesweyth | fahi > maybe, but these connections have been open for weeks without issue. |
| 12:47.26 | spiekey | is there a way to create/trigger the creation of /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules without rebooting? |
| 12:48.04 | ansgar | kesroesweyth: Were the connection idling and some sort of firewall or NAT around? |
| 12:48.04 | fahi | kesroesweyth: are you constantly sending data over the connection or are there periods where no data is sent? |
| 12:48.23 | kesroesweyth | never idle for more than a few seconds |
| 12:48.33 | karlpinc | spiekey: Yes. But I don't know what it is. There's a udev command that fakes things, iirc. "man -k udev" and /usr/share/doc/udev*/ |
| 12:48.41 | kesroesweyth | monitoring things using top, mtop, and some scripts |
| 12:49.08 | spiekey | hmm... |
| 12:49.14 | kesroesweyth | hm, im thinking maybe it was a local network issue. the rest of the systems i monitor are local |
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| 12:50.20 | fahi | kesroesweyth: since both (seperate) connections to these machines dropped at the same time, I think it's okay to assume that it was a network issue at your home network |
| 12:50.34 | kesroesweyth | fahi > i think so too |
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| 12:51.16 | fahi | I'm actually surprised you can keep a ssh connection over a home network alive for such a long time :) |
| 12:51.38 | kesroesweyth | fahi > it isn't a home network, it's at work. |
| 12:51.45 | fahi | kesroesweyth: okay |
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| 12:52.02 | karlpinc | kesroesweyth: openvpn is useful for punching out of nat-ted networks to someplace with a known public ip. |
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| 12:52.34 | Rydekull | fahi: ... im slightly curious why you are surprised over that? You must have really bad connectivity |
| 12:53.01 | kesroesweyth | the world seems to hate nat all of a sudden... i mean, not all of a sudden, but im seeing a lot of nat ranting lately |
| 12:53.06 | karlpinc | kesroesweyth: Then once you've a vpn you can connect directly into the nat-ted network. |
| 12:53.22 | fahi | Rydekull: I was thinking about dsl lines people have at home. They don't seem to be very stable where I live :) |
| 12:53.23 | karlpinc | kesroesweyth: Nah. We've hated nat forever. |
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| 12:53.36 | kesroesweyth | karlpinc > why? i like it |
| 12:53.37 | kesroesweyth | o.0 |
| 12:53.43 | Arafangion | I didn't think it was *stability* that was an issue with NAT. |
| 12:53.49 | karlpinc | kesroesweyth: Meet me in #debian-offtopic? |
| 12:53.54 | Arafangion | The issue with NAT was well, accessibility. |
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| 12:54.15 | kesroesweyth | Arafangion > isn't that the point? |
| 12:54.26 | kesroesweyth | karlpinc > im there |
| 12:54.27 | Arafangion | The workarounds, however, leave much to be desired. (Skype punches holes though the NAT, for instance) |
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| 12:55.47 | fahi | Rydekull: and to me, NAT looks pretty fragile by design, especially when implemented in a consumer router |
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| 13:07.05 | nsc_ | hey guys wats the terminal package for directly accesing root |
| 13:07.30 | Rydekull | say what? |
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| 13:07.57 | nsc_ | sudo root terminal emulator |
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| 13:09.53 | vubuntor905 | hi all! |
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| 13:10.15 | vubuntor905 | how to offline install xfce for arch linux??? |
| 13:10.28 | gulzar | following this guide : http://linux-software-news-tutorials.blogspot.in/2011/05/after-install-debian-squeeze-most-basic.html . At this step "gpg --export --armor 1F41B907 | apt-key add -" I am getting this error : { gpg: can't open `/etc/apt/trusted.gpg' :: gpg: keydb_get_keyblock failed: eof :: gpg: no writable keyring found: eof :: gpg: error reading `-': general error :: gpg: import from `-' failed: general error. } What to do? |
| 13:10.33 | streuner_ | vubuntor905: this is #debian |
| 13:10.46 | gulzar | vubuntor905: this is debian channel |
| 13:10.53 | streuner_ | vubuntor905: we support debian not arch |
| 13:10.55 | homes | were you root, gulzar? |
| 13:10.58 | vubuntor905 | becus arch chanel empty |
| 13:11.09 | gulzar | homes: I did that with sudo |
| 13:11.24 | gulzar | vubuntor905: no .. type this : { /j #archlinux} |
| 13:11.34 | vubuntor905 | oh |
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| 13:12.14 | gulzar | homes: its done with "Su" |
| 13:12.31 | gulzar | homes: but why so? why not with sudo? |
| 13:12.54 | Rydekull | gulzar: you said you did it with sudo, give us the exact command |
| 13:13.22 | Rydekull | gulzar: im assuming that you pipe:d it to another command as you suggested above, thus, first command is run with sudo, second isnt |
| 13:13.38 | gulzar | Rydekull: gulzar@Zangestsu:~$ sudo gpg --export --armor 1F41B907 | apt-key add - |
| 13:14.05 | Seb | Rydekull: the other way around |
| 13:14.13 | Seb | gpg --export --armor 1F41B907 | sudo ... |
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| 13:14.28 | gulzar | Rydekull: Seb : Ok... |
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| 13:14.34 | Rydekull | Seb: ... say what? why are you telling me? :-P |
| 13:14.59 | gulzar | Seb: Rydekull : homes : Thank You |
| 13:15.32 | Iridos | Rydekull, so you know ;) |
| 13:15.33 | Seb | Rydekull: I guess that was for gulzar |
| 13:15.38 | fahi | has never understood why so many people these days use sudo instead of just a plain root shell :) |
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| 13:15.42 | Rydekull | Iridos: :-) |
| 13:15.44 | jelly | homes: smell ya later |
| 13:16.03 | gulzar | fahi: becuase my root passowrd is very long and user one is short |
| 13:16.09 | Seb | fahi: so you can delegate administration, without giving the root password, only for some commands, etc |
| 13:16.12 | jelly | *facepalm* |
| 13:16.15 | Rydekull | gulzar: sudo su - |
| 13:16.24 | jelly | *facepalm2 combo* |
| 13:16.25 | Rydekull | gulzar: but that is a very bad reason... |
| 13:16.26 | gulzar | Rydekull: ok.. nice |
| 13:16.36 | fahi | Seb: Yes, that's a possible scenario, but I was refering to the use of sudo on a computer which is owned by a single person, sorry, I should have added that |
| 13:16.51 | jelly | Rydekull: here have a parameter: sudo -i |
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| 13:17.11 | Seb | fahi: personnally, I like the idea of not having a root shell lingering around, that I might type something potentially dangerous into |
| 13:17.12 | gulzar | fahi: I am the sole user .. but got habit of sudo from begining with mint/ubuntu |
| 13:17.15 | Rydekull | jelly: haha, thank you |
| 13:17.36 | gulzar | Seb: I agree |
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| 13:18.04 | fahi | ah, so it's more like self protetction :) |
| 13:18.24 | Seb | fahi: that too |
| 13:18.49 | Seb | fahi: the bottom line is, I don't want nor need to have a (semi-)permanent root shell |
| 13:18.49 | gulzar | fahi: ya .. |
| 13:18.50 | Iridos | sudo sudo sudo su -c 'sudo -i' ? |
| 13:19.36 | fahi | In the ubuntu community, people usually say it's a security measure not to have a root password.. but then again, if you have the user password you can just do "sudo su" :) |
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| 13:19.45 | Rydekull | Iridos: :-D |
| 13:19.52 | gulzar | fahi: :) |
| 13:20.09 | Reikoku | fahi: In the Ubuntu user community, people still think Linux is a new look for Windows :( |
| 13:20.12 | Rydekull | fahi: Never su without a - :-P |
| 13:20.18 | gulzar | time to go. need to update my Arch |
| 13:20.19 | myth-coder | how to fix "Cannot send to channel: #archlinux" |
| 13:20.40 | gulzar | myth-coder: you need to register you user name with freenode |
| 13:20.40 | Rydekull | myth-coder: /q |
| 13:20.42 | fahi | Rydekull: sorry! :) |
| 13:21.02 | gulzar | myth-coder: login with that username and password |
| 13:21.41 | myth-coder | i have no account |
| 13:21.48 | themill | myth-coder: /msg nickserv help register |
| 13:21.57 | gulzar | myth-coder: you need to create one.. see themill |
| 13:22.29 | gulzar | myth-coder: type " /msg nickserv help" |
| 13:22.30 | homes | fahi: i don't see any reasonable argument that applies to competant users. i imagine the main benefit to ubuntu of not having a root password is that if they did too much of their userbase would do everything as root. i always find it useful to think 'what would theo/openbsd do?' and it's evident, they have a functional root account |
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| 13:23.11 | Rydekull | homes: well, iet's not that the account isnt functional |
| 13:23.15 | Rydekull | its* |
| 13:23.20 | gulzar | myth-coder: done? |
| 13:23.24 | Reikoku | homes: I think that's about right, the ubuntu userbase would make a security issue out of having a root password :P |
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| 13:23.45 | fahi | homes: okay, that makes sense. people have to think about why they need more power in such a scenario |
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| 13:24.34 | homes | by everything i specifically mean logging into gnome as root and everything they start from then on runnin as root |
| 13:24.35 | Iridos | hm |
| 13:25.08 | Iridos | I guess it has a slight security impact inasmuch you can allow only certain users to use sudo |
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| 13:25.16 | Rydekull | homes: well, that isnt a matter of sudo root or not, that's the DM's configuration to allow root or not |
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| 13:26.03 | Iridos | on the other hand you lose the advantage of having a separate password for root... so if a sudo users password is compromised ... |
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| 13:26.24 | fahi | Rydekull: last time I used gdm (which was a couple of years ago), it prohibited root logins by default |
| 13:26.57 | myth-coder | gusnan: thank |
| 13:27.19 | Rydekull | fahi: well, that kinda depends on the distro, but yeah |
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| 13:27.25 | kesroesweyth | Iridos > that's why I try to persuade my company not to use sudo on our servers |
| 13:27.28 | homes | that's a good point Rydekull, i've never booted into x and still startx, so am a bit behind on the times! |
| 13:27.30 | frafra | hi all |
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| 13:29.09 | Iridos | kesroesweyth, I guess sudo would make it easier to assign every single command run as root to a certain user |
| 13:29.26 | fahi | homes: same here, I even autologin and startx using mingetty since I use encryption anyway |
| 13:29.36 | Iridos | although I'm not sure that's really logged |
| 13:29.49 | frafra | I need to install debian wheezy amd64 xfce offline. I've seen the ~400mb cd-1 for lxde/xfce, but I need other packages. How could I do? |
| 13:31.02 | Rydekull | Iridos: sudo is logged |
| 13:31.16 | frafra | what should I download? can I put it on a usb stick? |
| 13:31.21 | Iridos | frafra, on the simplest, there's the --print-uris option to apt-get ... but there's also lots of more complete solutions ... |
| 13:31.22 | fahi | Iridos: that's a good point, I think sudo offers that. it's much harder to achieve that using su, since you'd need the grsec kernel patch for example |
| 13:31.30 | Iridos | dpkg, tell frafra about apt-offline |
| 13:31.40 | Iridos | gah |
| 13:31.50 | Iridos | dpkg, tell frafra about apt offline |
| 13:31.54 | frafra | Iridos, can I use a single media (like an usb stick)? |
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| 13:33.09 | Iridos | frafra, note the testing installer images are for testing the installer and may or may not work... so it's generally better to install a squeeze base-system and then upgrade |
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| 13:34.30 | frafra | here they work, but I need everything for the default installation offline... could I put cd-1 on an usb disk and use it with debian installer from cd-1 lxde/xfce? |
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| 13:35.10 | dvs | There's an installer disk for lxde?!? |
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| 13:35.35 | noravu | dvs: You can select LXDE via the alternate desktop environments section of the Debian Installer. |
| 13:35.52 | babilen | dvs: ... and there are also LXDE/XFCE CD1 images |
| 13:35.55 | noravu | I'm not sure if it's in the squeeze disk, but it's on the testing ones, I know that's for sure. |
| 13:36.01 | Iridos | I dunno... what or what you can use on an usb-install image - the usb installer images are pretty picky at least about the names of the iso cds |
| 13:36.05 | dvs | babilen: Oh? Neat! |
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| 13:36.40 | queso | How can I test if a package is currently installed for the purpose of checking dependencies in a bash script? I was going to use $(dpkg -s packagename) and test that, but if a package was uninstalled my script is thinking it's installed because it's listing an uninstalled status. |
| 13:36.43 | babilen | dvs: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.4/amd64/iso-cd/ -- You'll find images with Gnome (standard), KDE and XFCE/LXDE |
| 13:36.48 | Maleko | can anyone explain why adding route using route command adds the highlighted line but ip route doesn't? |
| 13:36.51 | Maleko | http://pastebin.com/YVEiD2DW |
| 13:36.58 | themill | dpkg: tell queso about installed test |
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| 13:37.22 | babilen | dvs: That being said: Every installer can install all these as well, you just have to select "alterntive desktop environment" in the menu at the beginning |
| 13:37.50 | themill | queso: note that the concept of "installed" and "not installed" is actually a lot more complicated that it at first looks. |
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| 13:39.18 | queso | themill: Is there a good practice bash method of checking? Alternatively, I could just spit out at the head, "Hey, make sure you have these installed or it's going to fail" |
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| 13:40.05 | dvs | fully automated install? |
| 13:40.07 | themill | queso: what dpkg told you is the best you can probably do. Either that or test if the things you actually need are installed |
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| 13:40.25 | queso | themill: okay, thank you |
| 13:40.29 | Rydekull | queso: dpkg -l <filename> ? |
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| 13:40.36 | Rydekull | queso: err, package name |
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| 13:40.54 | Iridos | Rydekull, rc ii or ? |
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| 13:41.19 | Rydekull | Iridos: $? |
| 13:41.35 | Iridos | I mean the install status |
| 13:41.49 | Iridos | (same problem as he ran into) |
| 13:41.51 | queso | Iridos: I'm intending to use this in a script. |
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| 13:43.25 | themill | suspects people should look at what dpkg said instead of wrongly reinventing the wheel.... |
| 13:43.55 | fahi | queso: why don't you just check if it has "ii" status? |
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| 13:44.06 | themill | *sigh* |
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| 13:44.33 | Rydekull | themill: kinda what I was thinking :-P |
| 13:44.35 | queso | Instead of checking in the script, I'm just going to have the script say that the packages must be installed for it to work. |
| 13:45.04 | themill | queso: you may as well check, it's easy enough |
| 13:45.14 | queso | themill: check by doing what? |
| 13:45.34 | Rydekull | ... like dpkg told you in PM? |
| 13:45.37 | themill | queso: what dpkg told you 10 minutes ago |
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| 13:46.21 | queso | themill: oh, sorry, I'm using irssi and I never figured out how to see that I've got a new /message |
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| 13:49.08 | queso | Thanks for your help, guys. |
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| 13:58.12 | Rienzilla | Hey everyone. I have a question about the dependency based booting in squeeze, as compared to the old update-rc.d-way in lenny and before. I understand that I should add a header to a file listing dependencies and service provided, and that I should then run insserv to figure out the dependencies. However, what is the result of insserv? Just a rcX.d/-tree with links in the correct computed order (and as a result, will manually adding a symlink in /etc/rc |
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| 14:00.43 | jelly | Rienzilla: you got cut off after "will manually adding a symlink in /etc/r" |
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| 14:01.01 | Rienzilla | ...manually adding a symlink in /etc/rc2.d cause that script to be started/stopped in runlevel two on the next boot, whether it has an LSB-header or not?) |
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| 14:01.15 | dhbiker | y u jelly :P |
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| 14:02.09 | jelly | dhbiker: I've been jelly for a longer time than that idiom has existed. |
| 14:02.27 | dhbiker | oh? |
| 14:02.31 | dhbiker | didn't know that |
| 14:02.32 | dhbiker | xD |
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| 14:03.01 | tawtaw | hwo can i do network loadbalancing? basically having 2 nodes share one ip :) |
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| 14:06.08 | Sevet | tawtaw: http://linux-ha.org/doc/man-pages/re-ra-IPaddr2.html |
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| 14:06.22 | Sevet | 'share' isn't quite right, only only'll be able to use it at a time |
| 14:06.32 | scampbell | tawtaw: http://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/networking/bonding.txt has good info. You need to configure your switch to cooperate and really should have a strong understanding of the networking issues. |
| 14:06.34 | tawtaw | Sevet: one at a time? |
| 14:06.40 | tawtaw | thats not what i want, i want both to be used |
| 14:06.51 | tawtaw | scampbell: bonding is on one node is it not? |
| 14:06.58 | Sevet | you'll need to servers to sit in front acting as a load balancer then |
| 14:06.59 | tawtaw | like bonding two NICs to one |
| 14:07.05 | frafra | if I download wheezy dvd-1, can I use it for a full offline default xfce installation? |
| 14:07.19 | tawtaw | Sevet: that would create a single point of faliure i dont want that.. .:/ |
| 14:07.22 | Sevet | tawtaw: yes, bonding is for multiple nics on one node |
| 14:07.35 | tawtaw | scampbell: that does nto help me, but thanks for trying :) |
| 14:07.47 | Sevet | no it wouldn't - 2 nodes in a master-slave relationship, monitoring each other with automatic failover if one goes down |
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| 14:08.27 | scampbell | tawtaw: misread. |
| 14:08.37 | tawtaw | scampbell: no problem :) |
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| 14:09.44 | JCDenton | Has Debian somehow managed to break the vim package in some way that it will never display 256color schemes properly? |
| 14:09.55 | JCDenton | Because I've spent over an hour debugging this issues in three different channels |
| 14:10.00 | JCDenton | This is the only thing that makes sense now |
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| 14:10.16 | JCDenton | Is that the package is somehow broken |
| 14:10.55 | JCDenton | I'm going to end up purging VIM from the system entirely to manually compile it in just a few moments |
| 14:11.18 | JCDenton | Because I'm getting sick of debugging an issue that shouldn't exist and that nobody, even the vim developers can figure out what is amiss. |
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| 14:11.48 | babilen | JCDenton: Works fine here (on sid with vim 7.3, but I recall 7.2 working fine as well) -- All it took was a 256 colour terminal (/me is using rxvt-unicode-256color) and/or "set t_Co=256" in ~/.vimrc |
| 14:12.05 | JCDenton | babilen: Done all of the above |
| 14:12.08 | klync | JCDenton: make sure you've got another editor available before you uninstall! :P |
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| 14:12.22 | JCDenton | gnome-256color |
| 14:12.25 | JCDenton | xterm-256color |
| 14:12.26 | JCDenton | Neither work |
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| 14:12.40 | JCDenton | Everything virtually imaginable reports 256 colors on the terminal |
| 14:12.46 | JCDenton | VIM, $TERM, Python |
| 14:12.53 | JCDenton | Nothing is wrong with the terminal. |
| 14:13.13 | JCDenton | t_Co is set to 256. |
| 14:13.17 | JCDenton | It's been set in the vimrc |
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| 14:13.20 | JCDenton | Also did that. |
| 14:13.31 | babilen | JCDenton: You can find my vim configuration on https://github.com/babilen/dotfiles/tree/master/vim -- You might want to try it (I use VAM for plugin management) -- Which vim package do you have installed? Could you paste the output of "aptitude search '~i~nvim'" to http://paste.debian.net please? |
| 14:13.53 | babilen | JCDenton: Does gvim work with a 256 colourscheme? Which scheme do you use right now? |
| 14:14.10 | JCDenton | http://paste.debian.net/159839/ |
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| 14:14.25 | JCDenton | babilen: This is via SSH, no DE. |
| 14:14.35 | pie_ | does anyone know how to get fwknop-c working?(fwknop 2.0) |
| 14:14.42 | JCDenton | On my new server. On my old server, there's no issues. |
| 14:14.48 | JCDenton | But I haven't ran an update on there in months. |
| 14:15.09 | JCDenton | Which is one of the reason I was lead to believe a recent update could have broken something |
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| 14:15.43 | JCDenton | Oh, and I'm using fnaqevan |
| 14:16.03 | JCDenton | http://imgur.com/EMhPi <- The right side is how it should look. |
| 14:16.08 | JCDenton | The left side is how it actually looks. |
| 14:16.11 | fahi | JCDenton: have you tried printing 256 colors with a different program (for example, 256colors.pl might be useful)? |
| 14:16.17 | JCDenton | Right side being my old server, left being my new. |
| 14:16.35 | JCDenton | fahi: No, but I was going to look for a way to do that, thanks. |
| 14:16.35 | babilen | JCDenton: Well, looks as if you only have vim-tiny installed. I would recommend to install one of that more complete vim packages such as vim-gtk, vim-gnome or vim-nox |
| 14:16.40 | pie_ | ive gotten as far as ./configure --disableclient --prefix=/;make;make install |
| 14:16.55 | pie_ | but i dont know how to use it, and ive modified the access.conf |
| 14:17.23 | JCDenton | babilen: I have vim and vim-tiny installed |
| 14:17.24 | pie_ | apt-get instaling the 1.9.5 version in the repos works, but none of my ports get blocked |
| 14:17.34 | pie_ | this is also running in a vm |
| 14:17.43 | JCDenton | Isn't vim the complete package? |
| 14:17.52 | fahi | JCDenton: I think vim is a meta-packages which will, by default, install vim-tiny, which might not be the complete vim suite |
| 14:17.59 | JCDenton | A gtk package of vim would be useless |
| 14:18.11 | JCDenton | This is a server, not a desktop |
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| 14:18.16 | JCDenton | I don't know what vim-nox is |
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| 14:18.56 | babilen | JCDenton: You can use, for example, http://www.cs.rice.edu/~scrosby/software/tf256color/src/256colors2.pl to check your terminal settings. |
| 14:19.07 | JCDenton | But for some reason, my old server has all of that installed |
| 14:19.13 | JCDenton | So, why the heck not I guess. |
| 14:19.15 | JCDenton | Let me try that |
| 14:20.27 | JCDenton | Installed vim-gtk, nothing changed. |
| 14:20.50 | babilen | JCDenton: Could you paste your vimrc somewhere? |
| 14:20.51 | JCDenton | Will do your suggestion now bab |
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| 14:21.11 | Iridos | vim-nox == vim with no X |
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| 14:22.21 | JCDenton | babilen: http://paste.debian.net/159840/ |
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| 14:22.30 | fahi | JCDenton: is your /etc/alternatives/vim set to vim.tiny, vim.basic or vim.gtk? |
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| 14:23.26 | fahi | well, vim.tiny should tell you "Sorry, the command is not available" when you try to enter :let t_Co=256 |
| 14:23.34 | babilen | indeed |
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| 14:24.20 | JCDenton | Just say vim7 |
| 14:24.23 | JCDenton | says* |
| 14:24.39 | ws2k3 | when i hit top i see a %CPU is that % of total of % of one core ? |
| 14:24.45 | babilen | JCDenton: What is the output of "ls -l /etc/alternatives/vim" ? |
| 14:25.08 | Graveworm80 | Hi! I'm running 3.2.0-2-686-pae on a P4 with a nvidia GeForce 6800LE. The card and one of my usb controllers are sharing the same IRQ. Since a few days my machine freezes very often while syslog says "NVRM: GPU at 0000:06:00.0 has fallen off the bus.", "irq XX: nobody cared" and then "Disabling IRQ #XX". I tried booting with boot options "noapic", "acpi=ht", "irqpoll" but nothing change anything. What else could I try? |
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| 14:25.09 | nsadmin | well if you're used to vi/vim, it can be good... I never did |
| 14:25.10 | JCDenton | /etc/alternatives/vim -> /usr/bin/vim.gtk |
| 14:25.42 | fahi | JCDenton: ok, please try the 256color.pl script babilen provided |
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| 14:26.23 | nsadmin | Graveworm80, I guess you could try finding out what happened |
| 14:26.27 | Iridos | ws2k3, one core, toggle with I |
| 14:26.33 | JCDenton | No problems. |
| 14:26.40 | JCDenton | I can see all the colors just fine. |
| 14:26.43 | fahi | JCDenton: does it look like http://files.0x0b.de/img-9711.png ? |
| 14:27.01 | JCDenton | Looks exactly like that, minus the system colors. |
| 14:27.11 | JCDenton | Which is xterm themed |
| 14:27.13 | fahi | JCDenton: ok, that's just my color sheme |
| 14:27.19 | Iridos | ws2k3, hm, actually manpage says total is default |
| 14:27.20 | JCDenton | Aye, I know |
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| 14:27.35 | JCDenton | But it doesn't seem the terminal has any issued outputting 256 colors |
| 14:27.40 | JCDenton | Which means VIM is being the pain. |
| 14:28.02 | JCDenton | Want to try using my theme on your end? |
| 14:28.06 | fahi | JCDenton: so, does your vim not have 256 colors or do they just look different to your old server (using the same theme)? |
| 14:28.07 | Graveworm80 | nsadmin: Ehrm.... ok but where could I start? As I said I already looked at syslog but beside these mentioned messages there is nothing I can work with. |
| 14:28.27 | fahi | JCDenton: sure, why not |
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| 14:28.30 | JCDenton | fahi: They look way different, but the odd thing is vim on my new server won't even complain if I'm not using 256 colors. |
| 14:28.36 | JCDenton | When trying to launch a 256 color scheme |
| 14:29.04 | JCDenton | http://www.vim.org/scripts/script.php?script_id=469 |
| 14:29.56 | JCDenton | http://imgur.com/a/yGOsL#0 See the actual different here |
| 14:30.16 | JCDenton | 1: xterm (new), 2: xterm-256color (new), 3: xterm-256color (old) |
| 14:30.23 | JCDenton | Referencing the new and old server |
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| 14:31.01 | JCDenton | http://i.imgur.com/EMhPi.png actually shows a side by side comparison using the same files with xterm-256color |
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| 14:31.26 | fahi | JCDenton: this is how your scheme looks here: http://files.0x0b.de/img-15167.png |
| 14:31.46 | JCDenton | fahadsadah: Looks fine to me. |
| 14:31.48 | babilen | JCDenton: From what I can tell is that the colorscheme works here with both your and mine vimrc -- It does, however, not look as if it is a 256 colour one. Could you try, say, molokai from http://www.vim.org/scripts/script.php?script_id=2340 ? |
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| 14:33.17 | babilen | JCDenton: I would also recommend to try "ssh -X" and testing gvim's behaviour |
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| 14:34.19 | JCDenton | http://i.imgur.com/3NnAa.png |
| 14:34.49 | fahi | JCDenton: I don't really know how this works with a remote machine, but do you have the terminfo (/usr/share/terminfo or ~/.terminfo) installed for your terminal on the server? |
| 14:35.08 | fahi | JCDenton: maybe check if it is present on your old and new server |
| 14:35.16 | JCDenton | babilen: That's what it looks like on my end, is that how it should look? |
| 14:35.47 | babilen | JCDenton: Yes -- Let me paste mine for comparison |
| 14:36.04 | JCDenton | So, something along the line borked the theme I'm using, maybe a new version of vim did break it. |
| 14:36.06 | JCDenton | Somehow |
| 14:36.06 | fahi | babilen: I'm using urxvt, so I don't have xterm terminfo |
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| 14:36.28 | JCDenton | I noticed that half of my colorschemes seem to break actually |
| 14:36.42 | JCDenton | This is just the colorscheme I've been using for a long time |
| 14:36.53 | JCDenton | Guess I need to find a new one to suit my needs |
| 14:37.03 | fahi | JCDenton: have you tried it with rxvt-unicode-256color (installed on the server and the client)? |
| 14:37.22 | babilen | JCDenton: http://i.imgur.com/I93ln.png |
| 14:38.11 | babilen | fahi: I am using urxvt (rxvt-unicode-256color) with http://paste.debian.net/159842/ as colourscheme |
| 14:38.38 | JCDenton | fahi: No, but I think we've established the theme is borked if babilen replicates the issue under rxvt |
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| 14:38.49 | fahi | JCDenton: ok |
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| 14:39.29 | JCDenton | Other than the gray BG, Molaki is pretty nice. |
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| 14:39.40 | fahi | I use darkspectrum :) |
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| 14:40.06 | babilen | JCDenton: http://i.imgur.com/uGFJi.png is what fnaqevan (of molokai.vim) looks like here |
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| 14:40.43 | JCDenton | Oh, right, it actually worked for you |
| 14:40.48 | JCDenton | No clue then |
| 14:40.50 | fahi | babilen: okay, looks different to what it looks here. weird |
| 14:41.33 | babilen | JCDenton: If you are using urxvt try my urxvt colourscheme on http://paste.debian.net/159842/ -- That gives you a dark background. |
| 14:41.33 | Iridos | how do you select the colorscheme? :colorscheme molokai looks totally different |
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| 14:42.06 | Iridos | oh, didn't select 256 colors |
| 14:42.27 | Iridos | hm, still |
| 14:42.28 | HardDisk_WP | hey |
| 14:42.39 | fahi | mmh, molokai looks pretty nice, I'm switching to that one :) |
| 14:42.39 | JCDenton | I don't have urxvt installed, but I install it anyhow |
| 14:42.58 | cheako | http://lists.debian.org/debian-security/2012/03/msg00041.html What's this about, sub-virtual machines running from BIOS? |
| 14:43.15 | HardDisk_WP | i got an ages-old system which i forgot about... looks like some hacker has taken it over to send spam mails. there's a perl process calling sendmail continuously. |
| 14:43.38 | HardDisk_WP | i have kill -s STOP'd the perl process, can I somehow look at the script the hacker supplied? |
| 14:44.08 | babilen | fahi: Hehe :) |
| 14:44.13 | HardDisk_WP | it shows up as 20005 1327 0.4 0.2 42504 10228 ? T 01:30 3:55 perl |
| 14:44.14 | HardDisk_WP | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:44.17 | altin | hello all im trying to install debian 6 here |
| 14:44.20 | altin | and Im missing rtl8168e-2.fw |
| 14:44.25 | altin | can anyone help me ? |
| 14:44.29 | altin | rtl8168e-2.fw Firmware |
| 14:44.30 | cheako | HardDisk_WP: You can and should dump a core image using gcore. You may also be able to use lsof -p to discover what FD the script might be on. |
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| 14:44.53 | altin | Load missing firmware from removable media ? where can I get that firmware ? |
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| 14:45.21 | babilen | JCDenton: Hmm, you could try backporting vim 7.3 packages from sid -- Follow "/msg dpkg ssb" and install the resulting packages, but I am really not sure if this is due to differences between 7.2 and 7.3 (or at least our packages) |
| 14:45.24 | Sevet | altin: firmware-realtek package |
| 14:45.34 | babilen | !tell altin -about installer firmware |
| 14:45.37 | altin | Sevet, how can get that can you please help me |
| 14:45.45 | altin | ? |
| 14:45.52 | Iridos | fahi, what do you do to select it? I get a change when I select it, but doesn't look like the pictures they pasted |
| 14:46.02 | HardDisk_WP | cheako, http://pastebin.com/wHq94z8X is lsof -p |
| 14:46.02 | Iridos | *sigh* found a new way to waste time |
| 14:46.06 | JCDenton | Any website with any javascript in it refuses to load |
| 14:46.08 | altin | Should I proceed with No or Yes Sevet babilen |
| 14:46.08 | JCDenton | Any website |
| 14:46.08 | JCDenton | any |
| 14:46.10 | JCDenton | any. |
| 14:46.46 | fahi | Iridos: to select a colorscheme in vim? I put "colorscheme molokai" and "set background=dark" in my .vimrc |
| 14:46.55 | cheako | HardDisk_WP: Should be at /proc/1327/fd/3 |
| 14:47.04 | babilen | altin: http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/firmware-realtek -- Download that and place it on a removable medium (USB stick) -- You can also just use the netinst with firmware |
| 14:47.10 | babilen | !tell altin -about firmware images |
| 14:47.36 | fahi | Iridos: and you need a 256color-enabled terminal :) |
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| 14:47.56 | JCDenton | Anyways, what's the best way to look for 256color schemes? |
| 14:48.01 | JCDenton | Just hack around on vim.org? |
| 14:48.05 | altin | babilen, Im a beginner here and Im trying to find out the download link :| ?? |
| 14:48.11 | JCDenton | I'm using themes from a two year old package bundle |
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| 14:48.18 | babilen | altin: Please also read the section discussing firmware in the installation guide (should be linked in a message from dpkg) -- If you don't need that NIC during the installation (as you have other means to connect) you can also install the firmware later. I'd recommend either providing it now or using the image with firmware |
| 14:49.13 | babilen | altin: The download link is on the webpage I mentioned earlier -- Click on the "all" at the bottom (left of "Package Size ... Installed Size ...") |
| 14:49.30 | HardDisk_WP | cheako, cool, thx. looks pretty weird that script http://pastebin.com/J2eAJEv4 |
| 14:49.43 | HardDisk_WP | anything more i should do before wiping the box? |
| 14:50.10 | Iridos | fahi, all seems to be the same... still "hi" is still fat-yellow instead of red... oh well |
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| 14:50.29 | cheako | HardDisk_WP: One could try using perltidy to get something readable. |
| 14:50.35 | fahi | Iridos: try gvim :) |
| 14:50.58 | Iridos | that's a virtual package! |
| 14:51.24 | altin | babilen, http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/non-free/f/firmware-nonfree/ |
| 14:51.30 | altin | which one is the right one :O ? |
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| 14:52.56 | Iridos | fahi, argh, that opens a new window... and with a white bg... horror |
| 14:53.01 | babilen | JCDenton: You are also in the land of unhealthy interplay of TERM, terminal settings, vim configuration and the actual colourscheme. It took me a while to get it working with urxvt and molokai -- Essentially needed the 256 colour urxvt package from sid (backported), the ~/.Xresources and "set t_Co=256" in my ~/.vimrc. I am also using vim 7.3 :-/ |
| 14:53.08 | altin | babilen, I got this one firmware-realtek_0.35_all.deb |
| 14:53.16 | cheako | Trojan perl code http://pastebin.com/gJJ35RQW |
| 14:53.22 | altin | now after I add it in usb should the system find it automatically |
| 14:53.33 | Iridos | fahi, but yeah... the colors then come out like in the screenshot |
| 14:53.39 | fahi | crap... I just wrote perl instead of perltidy :S |
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| 14:54.09 | HardDisk_WP | cheako, http://pastebin.com/9vjvaRGE - looks like a trojan with webcontrol for me |
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| 14:55.06 | babilen | altin: Well, you have to plug in the USB and the installer should find it. Please also read the discussion in the installation guide linked in the <installer firmware> factoid that dpkg told you about earlier. |
| 14:55.31 | HardDisk_WP | cheako, can I find out how the perl process was started? |
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| 14:56.44 | cheako | HardDisk_WP: I don't see why not, it's parent process is still running from looking at your ps output. |
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| 14:57.02 | Iridos | JCDenton, how did you fix it? |
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| 14:57.36 | HardDisk_WP | cheako, but there's no parent process listed in ps fuax |
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| 14:59.06 | JCDenton | Iridos: I didn't, really. |
| 14:59.13 | HardDisk_WP | and according to pstree it's right under init |
| 14:59.16 | JCDenton | The theme I want to use still doesn't work |
| 14:59.50 | Iridos | JCDenton, but the molokai looks like it should - doesn't so for me, except if I call gvim, which opens a new window |
| 15:00.00 | cheako | HardDisk_WP: Then, I don't think there is. |
| 15:00.19 | koisoke | Why would disc usage as reported by df actually increase after dpkg --purging a removed package? |
| 15:00.25 | JCDenton | Iridos: Odd. |
| 15:00.33 | JCDenton | Molaki "just worked." |
| 15:00.37 | JCDenton | Molokai* |
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| 15:01.11 | Iridos | perhaps it's some properties of my xterm interfering... like the black background (which should be fine) |
| 15:01.20 | HardDisk_WP | kk |
| 15:01.22 | HardDisk_WP | thx |
| 15:01.40 | babilen | Iridos: Is the 256color.pl script working correctly for you? |
| 15:01.40 | cheako | koisoke: Running on USB or other system with read only and cow persistent storage. |
| 15:02.33 | Iridos | babilen, yes |
| 15:02.34 | cheako | http://lists.debian.org/debian-security/2012/03/msg00041.html What's this about, sub-virtual machines running from BIOS? |
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| 15:02.50 | koisoke | cheako: sata spinning hard disc with ext3 |
| 15:05.08 | cheako | koisoke: Something else must be making use of the space. There is also a log for dpkg activity. |
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| 15:05.51 | cheako | koisoke: This is another of many reasons to run multiple file systems, df is much faster than du. |
| 15:05.58 | Iridos | JCDenton, see what you did to me! Stuff not working properly on my machine is like an itch! And this was one thing I probably would never have even found out about! |
| 15:06.01 | Iridos | All your fault |
| 15:06.11 | babilen | Haha |
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| 15:06.50 | Iridos | It's not funny! I kill you! |
| 15:07.11 | Iridos | ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IL357BrwK7c ) |
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| 15:12.39 | zeev | hi, I missed up my configuration of apache and now I would like to reinstall in order to get default configuration. but if I do apt-get remove -purge apache2 - /etc/apache2 remains as it was... how do I completely remove apache2? |
| 15:13.00 | babilen | !tell zeev -about confmiss |
| 15:13.04 | babilen | !tell zeev -about confnew |
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| 15:14.32 | themill | zeev: you need to work on the correct package. Use dpkg -S to work out what package a file belongs to. |
| 15:15.04 | zeev | to apache2 |
| 15:15.13 | zeev | thank you babilen - I'll try it |
| 15:15.30 | themill | zeev: no, it probably doesn't belong to the "apache2" package. |
| 15:15.51 | zeev | for example /etc/apache2/ports.conf |
| 15:16.02 | themill | (if it were that obvious, I wouldn't have mentioned how to find it out) |
| 15:16.08 | babilen | Isn't it some -common package? |
| 15:16.22 | babilen | ,file /etc/apache2/apache2.conf |
| 15:16.25 | judd | Search for /etc/apache2/apache2.conf in squeeze/i386: apache2.2-common: etc/apache2/apache2.conf |
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| 15:16.30 | themill | babilen: sure, and now zeev knows how to find out which package ;) |
| 15:16.40 | zeev | one second |
| 15:17.03 | zeev | apache2.2-common |
| 15:17.05 | babilen | \o/ Everybody wins -- Now I will only mention that "dlocate -S /etc/apache2/apache2.conf" does the same thing as "dpkg -S /etc/apache2/apache2.conf" only faster and we are done here :) |
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| 15:17.32 | themill | is it really faster if you have to install dlocate first ;) |
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| 15:18.00 | zeev | so what should I do now? --purge apache2.2-common? |
| 15:18.02 | babilen | mumbles: Details, ..., unimportant, ... |
| 15:18.19 | zeev | or confnew? |
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| 15:18.37 | babilen | zeev: confmiss actually |
| 15:19.38 | zeev | aptitude -o DPkg::Options::='--force-confmiss' reinstall apache2 ? |
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| 15:20.46 | tawtaw | ok so im tired of banging my head into the wall ^^ i basically need layer 4 clustering, two nodes without a director, the two nodes should have the same virtual IP, i dont want an active/passive setup. could somebody point me in the right direction? thanks :) |
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| 15:22.11 | zeev | after aptitude -o DPkg::Options::='--force-confmiss' reinstall apache2.2-common ports.conf remained the same... :( |
| 15:22.35 | themill | it's not missing though, is it? |
| 15:22.55 | zeev | no |
| 15:23.11 | altin | babilen, how much of swap space is it necessary to create for a 2x4GB Ram memory |
| 15:23.11 | zeev | its there but messed up, as I left it |
| 15:23.29 | themill | zeev: well, confmiss only deals with missing config files. |
| 15:23.38 | Iridos | so... as it's not missing, perhaps confnew would be appropriate? |
| 15:23.54 | zeev | ok... |
| 15:24.02 | themill | actually, I'd just make it "missing" with a quick rm. |
| 15:24.17 | Iridos | you would! |
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| 15:25.33 | zeev | aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confnew" reinstall apache2.2-common didn't help either |
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| 15:28.06 | Iridos | actually, apt-get purge and then install again should have done it as well (not, -purge, though, that doesn't exist, there's only also --purge remove for apt-get) |
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| 15:28.53 | luke__ | Anyone here on 64bit tell me if they have a libcrypt.so.1 file? |
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| 15:29.51 | wwwjunk | /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libcrypt.so.1 |
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| 15:30.28 | wwwjunk | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:31.03 | luke__ | wwwjunk: please could you send that to me? |
| 15:31.10 | luke__ | I would <3 u forever |
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| 15:31.12 | zeev | thank you |
| 15:31.36 | scwizard | logrotate isn't in root's crontab |
| 15:31.50 | scwizard | is it something that runs daily? or are the logs rotated through some other means? |
| 15:31.50 | jhutchins_wk | scwizard: Correct. |
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| 15:32.05 | jhutchins_wk | scwizard: /etc/cron.*/ |
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| 15:32.34 | challet | hello, how can i pin to higher priority a newly added apt repository ? http://pastebin.com/daMqSH1E |
| 15:32.38 | wwwjunk | file is in this package: http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/libc6-amd64 |
| 15:32.43 | scwizard | oh ok |
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| 15:33.04 | scwizard | why are there so many seperate places for cron jobs run as root? |
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| 15:33.23 | Iridos | misery wants company? |
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| 15:33.29 | jhutchins_wk | scwizard: The more the merrier! |
| 15:33.53 | scwizard | lol |
| 15:34.12 | jhutchins_wk | scwizard: Different ways of organizing them. Root's crontab is mainly for stuff that needs finer-grained timing than "daily" or "hourly". |
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| 15:34.43 | scwizard | seems confusing to have stuff in all these differnet places |
| 15:34.44 | scwizard | but w/e |
| 15:35.25 | jhutchins_wk | scwizard: Packages can drop links in the cron.* directories to automate tasks. |
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| 15:36.05 | jhutchins_wk | scwizard: Like if you install webalizer, it will drop a default job in cron.daily |
| 15:36.31 | scwizard | how is >> to root's crontab any more difficult? |
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| 15:38.34 | Iridos | scwizard, scripts installing stuff can handle it more easily if each script gets a separate file (that can be removed/upgraded) |
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| 15:39.16 | frafra | how to set lightdm autologin on debian? |
| 15:39.54 | scwizard | oh true |
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| 15:41.21 | jhutchins_wk | If it were entries in the crontab they might be in any order. Since the cron dir's execute in alphanumeric order they can be prioritized |
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| 15:45.34 | altin | babilen, can you tell me which mirror to use for netinstall because I cant use the ftp.us.debian.org |
| 15:45.58 | Iridos | dpkg geo sources.list |
| 15:45.59 | dpkg | To have <APT> automatically select a mirror close to you, you can use a Geo-IP service from cdn.debian.net. An example line for your sources.list is "deb http://cdn.debian.net/debian/ squeeze main". See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianGeoMirror for more information, or ask me about <sources.list>. Don't use this with Google DNS or similar. |
| 15:46.04 | Iridos | how about those? |
| 15:46.30 | babilen | altin: You can see a list of mirrors on http://www.debian.org/mirror/list -- I would generally recommend to use ^^^ or ftp.CC.debian.org where CC is replaced by your country's code. (e.g. de, hk, tw, uk, ..) |
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| 15:46.45 | babilen | !tell altin -about make squeeze sources.list |
| 15:46.53 | babilen | altin: Why can't you use ftp.us.debian.org? |
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| 15:47.02 | altin | babilen, my country doesnt have a stable mirror |
| 15:47.07 | altin | or it doesnt have one at all |
| 15:47.26 | babilen | altin: Which country is that and why can't you use ftp.us.debian.org ? |
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| 15:48.13 | babilen | altin: All that being said: cdn.debian.net should work and will pick a reasonable mirror for you automagically |
| 15:48.38 | Iridos | :D |
| 15:48.41 | altin | it says this mirror is not suported for your version babilen |
| 15:48.46 | altin | im using squeez |
| 15:48.51 | altin | netinstall CD |
| 15:49.09 | altin | can I get that after install |
| 15:49.18 | babilen | Hmm, haven't seen that one before :-/ -- Which country are you living in? |
| 15:49.44 | altin | Kosovo |
| 15:49.49 | altin | it doesnt have a mirror |
| 15:49.59 | altin | I could use Albanian one but thats crap I think |
| 15:50.21 | Iridos | US definitely isn't the closest... but shouldn't completely fail either |
| 15:50.40 | altin | thats what I was thinking |
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| 15:50.50 | altin | but this squeez netinstall isnt alowing me to use that |
| 15:51.03 | Iridos | doesn't it give you a choice of servers? |
| 15:51.19 | babilen | altin: You could try ftp.de.debian.org (or ftp2.de.debian.org) -- cdn.debian.net is probably the easiest choice and will get you a sensible one. Could it be that you connect through some proxy or, say, a university network that requires web-based authentication? |
| 15:51.19 | Iridos | I wonder if it's just a typo in the server name... |
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| 15:51.43 | babilen | altin: AFAIK the installer lists a bunch of mirrors and you can just pick one from that list |
| 15:51.47 | altin | babilen, I dont have real ips |
| 15:51.57 | altin | lots of them didnt work |
| 15:52.03 | babilen | altin: How do you connect to the internet? |
| 15:52.04 | altin | Im thinking to switch the cd :S |
| 15:52.18 | altin | My ISP doesnt give Real IPs |
| 15:52.23 | altin | only Dynamic |
| 15:52.40 | altin | Im trying to setup a local server for the moment until I buy the real IPs |
| 15:52.45 | altin | :/ |
| 15:52.51 | fahi | HardDisk_WP: If you are still on it, I think this is the same worm: http://security.stackexchange.com/questions/10202/perl-script-rootkit-exploit |
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| 15:53.03 | useless-eater | altin: you can dyndns or something like that, no need for static ip |
| 15:53.29 | Iridos | altin, most providers don't give static IPs... it doesn't have anything to do with your problem |
| 15:53.41 | altin | yes I know Iridos |
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| 15:53.54 | babilen | altin: So in short: you are connected directly to the internet, but are given a dynamic IP? There is no need for additional authentication or proxy? |
| 15:53.56 | useless-eater | as long as you dont get private ips, Id consider them real :) |
| 15:53.57 | altin | useless-eater, thats an alternative :) |
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| 15:54.12 | altin | babilen, no no need for proxy |
| 15:54.31 | babilen | altin: What about ftp.de.debian.org ? |
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| 15:54.52 | Mkaysi | I haven't ever heard about Debian Geo Mirror. Why it shouldn't be used with Google DNS or similar? |
| 15:55.01 | useless-eater | I got a dyndns name for free, and a script that checks ip, and fixes it if wrong |
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| 15:55.32 | useless-eater | altin: very easy to set up. dyndns took away their free version recently though I think :\ |
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| 15:55.44 | useless-eater | altin: but there might be alternatives |
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| 15:58.04 | useless-eater | altin: might have misunderstood your problem ;) dyndns: in case you have a server and want a free name, but with dynamic ip |
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| 16:02.21 | SmashingX | hey guys I'm about to install debian but I see that there are many many discs to download, like 20. What are the discs that I have to download in order to install debian? |
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| 16:04.50 | dondelelcaro | SmashingX: do you have a network connection? |
| 16:05.10 | babilen | SmashingX: Do you have a working (wired) internet connection? On what kind of hardware are you installing? Are you running *NIX right now and can you therefore provide the output of "lspci -n" on http://paste.debian.net ? |
| 16:05.25 | SmashingX | I don't have network on that machine |
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| 16:05.42 | nsadmin | !apt-offline |
| 16:05.43 | dpkg | To use apt on a machine that doesn't have a network connection (if you have a separate machine that does have a network connection), read http://batmat.net/apt-offline/ch3.html Ask me about <apt-zip><apt-walkabout>. |
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| 16:05.47 | SmashingX | what kind of hardware? mhhh 1.7 Ghz |
| 16:06.07 | babilen | SmashingX: You have and will never have network connectivity on that machine? |
| 16:06.09 | nsadmin | !apt-zip |
| 16:06.09 | dpkg | Update a non-networked computer using apt and removable media. Just aptitude install apt-zip and read the docs in /usr/share/doc/apt-zip, or ask me about <apt offline> <apt-walkabout>. http://wiki.debian.org/AptZip |
| 16:06.18 | SmashingX | I will have network babilen |
| 16:06.33 | SmashingX | but I don't care about that machine that much |
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| 16:06.50 | themill | apt-offline > apt-zip, btw. |
| 16:06.51 | SmashingX | I would like to have my installations discs ready for installation in any machine |
| 16:07.16 | SmashingX | but I don't know exactly what kind of discs I need to download to be able to install it |
| 16:07.25 | babilen | SmashingX: Ok, in that case I would recommend to install a basic system from DVD1/CD1 -- Dependending on your needs and taste regarding window managers and desktop environment you should download the appropriate CD1 flavour. |
| 16:07.30 | nsadmin | when you say you don't care about that machine... would you repurpose it? |
| 16:07.32 | kreign | hi folks, I've got apache running with roundcube. The default config for roundcube in debian puts roundcube at http[s,]://serveraddress/roundcube; however, I'm trying to adapt the configuration to have roundcube be at DocumentRoot for https; however, when I do so, I get an error message telling me Suhosin is preventing that configuration, and I should re-run the roundcube installer. Is there any way I might get around this to accomplish what I want withou |
| 16:07.32 | kreign | t breaking the package for future upgrades/remaining within the debian packaging? |
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| 16:07.39 | SmashingX | I see a lot of discs, usually with other distros I only need one disc |
| 16:08.00 | babilen | SmashingX: Those disks contain *every* package in Debian |
| 16:08.17 | __zero | is there anyway to debug a bash script that is begin executed by the NetworkManager daemon? If i execute the script as root it works fine but doesn't work with nm. (btw, im talking about the scripts in the /etc/NetworkManager/dispatcher.d/ folder |
| 16:08.23 | SmashingX | babilen: Oh ok I see, but just to install with basic packages? |
| 16:08.23 | nsadmin | SmashingX, you don't need any of that |
| 16:08.36 | SmashingX | like any other distro? |
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| 16:08.52 | nsadmin | if you can set up the net on the machine in question (no, debian is not like other dists) |
| 16:09.20 | SmashingX | yes, but I don't want to install it from network |
| 16:09.30 | babilen | SmashingX: You'll need either CD1 or DVD1 if you plan to install a desktop environment such as Gnome, KDE or XFCE/LXDE (DVD1 for gnome, no idea about KDE) |
| 16:09.39 | SmashingX | I want KDE |
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| 16:10.54 | failure | isnt there any easy way to just install the security upgrades ? |
| 16:10.57 | babilen | SmashingX: Ok, download the KDE flavoured CD1 in that case (or DVD1) -- I want to note that you'll have to configure your online repositories manually after the installation if you plan to use them. See "/make squeeze sources.list" for details on what you should have in there once you can access to the internet. |
| 16:11.04 | babilen | s/to the/the/ |
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| 16:13.05 | themill | failure: since there is no way of identifying "only the security upgrade", no. (remember that Debian stable pretty much *only* receives security updates) |
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| 16:17.15 | SmashingX | Im sorry I want gnome |
| 16:17.56 | SmashingX | yeah thanks, I didn't know I could just download 1 DVD of many and it will install |
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| 16:18.47 | SmashingX | you know, I think we are pretty used to the way that install all the discs that it tells you on for example windows, and other distros and then install all the other software needed |
| 16:19.10 | SmashingX | and just as a suggestion it should say there in the website |
| 16:19.48 | SmashingX | I was afraid that I was going to install it with Disc 1 and then in the middle of the installation it will ask me for the next discs otherwise I wouldn't be able to install it |
| 16:19.49 | val__ | How can I see SAMBA browser list in a network? |
| 16:20.02 | SmashingX | but thank you babilen for your help and explanation |
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| 16:21.04 | scwizard | if I'm streaming output to a file, and I move the file |
| 16:21.09 | babilen | SmashingX: Please download DVD1 if you desire to have a complete Gnome installation. Note that you can easily install Gnome later on (once you have internet access) -- See "/msg dpkg install gnome" for a discussion of the different Gnome related packages. |
| 16:21.22 | scwizard | then rather than the file getting recreated with the remaining output, the output falls into the void |
| 16:21.31 | val__ | Anybody knows SAMBA? |
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| 16:21.47 | scwizard | so for programs that log by streaming their output to a file, how can I rotate their logs without having to restart the program? |
| 16:22.10 | SmashingX | so if I install with DVD 1 what kind of desktop environment will be installed? |
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| 16:23.34 | babilen | SmashingX: Gnome by default -- If you want anything else you have to select it at the beginning in "Alternative Desktop Environments" -- I typically only install a minimal (well, with the standard task) system and take it from there. |
| 16:23.59 | SmashingX | that's good babilen |
| 16:24.13 | SmashingX | although I wonder if I can also install debian with the live DVD |
| 16:24.29 | szbalint | gnome-- |
| 16:25.18 | babilen | SmashingX: That is possible, but we've heard about some problems if you pursue that route. What are you hoping to achieve by using the live cd? |
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| 16:25.45 | babilen | szbalint: Are you trying to say that Gnome is an inappropriate choice? |
| 16:25.53 | SmashingX | to install debian only, with the most used packages |
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| 16:26.15 | SmashingX | you know... like any other distro |
| 16:26.55 | SmashingX | when you install a distro it comes with the most used packages, or what they think are the packages that are the most useful |
| 16:27.02 | babilen | SmashingX: What is "Debian only" ? Debian is a collection of packages and it is up to you to decide which software you want. That being said: An installation of the standard (i.e. Gnome) Desktop task will get you a configuration that could be regarded as being standard. |
| 16:27.36 | SmashingX | I see debian not as a collection of packages but as an OS |
| 16:27.57 | SmashingX | am I wrong? |
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| 16:28.23 | kreign | SmashingX, yes |
| 16:28.33 | babilen | (S)he is? |
| 16:28.42 | SmashingX | he |
| 16:28.44 | kreign | Debian is both an OS and a collection of packages. :) |
| 16:28.44 | babilen | ack |
| 16:28.52 | kreign | but it's so much more, still... |
| 16:29.00 | nkuttler | Debian is many collections of packages at least |
| 16:29.09 | babilen | (and metapackages) |
| 16:29.14 | SmashingX | well, I think it depends what you use it for |
| 16:29.16 | babilen | (couldn't resist) |
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| 16:29.37 | SmashingX | then all distros are OS and a collection of packages |
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| 16:29.47 | babilen | SmashingX: What do *you* want? What do *you* need? When will you have network access and what will you use your machine for in the interim? |
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| 16:30.14 | SmashingX | babilen: that's a hard question because I don't have a machine in my mind |
| 16:30.19 | SmashingX | I have many machines |
| 16:30.31 | babilen | I don't quite follow |
| 16:30.44 | babilen | brb |
| 16:30.45 | SmashingX | however, I can tell you what I want |
| 16:30.50 | SmashingX | ohh... |
| 16:30.55 | SmashingX | well I tell you when you come back |
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| 16:36.42 | babilen | SmashingX: ping |
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| 16:37.19 | SmashingX | ? |
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| 16:39.04 | babilen | SmashingX: In other words: I am back |
| 16:39.33 | SmashingX | oh got it |
| 16:40.27 | SmashingX | so then what I want is to install debian with basic packages (any packages is fine) and then I can install the wants that I need later over the network. |
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| 16:41.05 | SmashingX | But I want to install the OS with a DVD or CD because that's the biggest part of the process |
| 16:41.16 | babilen | SmashingX: What are "basic packages" in your understanding? |
| 16:41.35 | SmashingX | preloaded packages with installation |
| 16:41.49 | SmashingX | I mean packages that come with installation |
| 16:41.56 | SmashingX | is that better? |
| 16:42.22 | SmashingX | Have you installed any other distro before? |
| 16:42.27 | babilen | SmashingX: As I've mentioned earlier: The "Desktop" task seems to fit your understanding of "basic packages", but contains a plethora of software that I would deem unnecessary or cruft |
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| 16:43.35 | SmashingX | yes, but at least I don't have to download many discs with packages that I don't need |
| 16:44.07 | SmashingX | I just want to install the main OS and then if I need extra packages I will just install them using apt-get |
| 16:44.34 | somiaj | SmashingX: you may want to check out the live-images on live.debian.net -- they will contain differt flavors of a complete desktop task (the squeeze images are to big for a single cd though, so you'll need a usb or dvd) |
| 16:45.11 | somiaj | SmashingX: well if you want to install the base system, then just download install the packages you want beyond that (as opposed to a predefined set of packages) use the netinstaller. |
| 16:45.56 | SmashingX | but the debate is about what disc I need to download in order to install the base system |
| 16:46.14 | babilen | SmashingX: Why don't you try it? I guess that the Desktop task will install more software than you'll ever need -- And if you have specific requirements you can easily install additional software once you've managed to get online. I am merely pointing out that the understanding of what constitutes "basic" differs from person to person and that I seem to have a much more frugal approach to which software I want to be installed. |
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| 16:46.30 | babilen | SmashingX: Download DVD1 and be done with it :) |
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| 16:46.45 | SmashingX | ok |
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| 16:47.08 | SmashingX | thanks |
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| 16:47.24 | fas3r | what's the maximum of LVM which we can create on RedHat ? |
| 16:48.07 | babilen | fas3r: Try #redhat (or another redhat related channel on a different network -- no idea where their main channel lives) |
| 16:48.33 | somiaj | SmashingX: the netinstall cd, cd1, dvd1 (and even the live images from debian-live) all contain a base system. All but the netinstall contain extra packages from the base install. So you have lots of choice. (: |
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| 16:49.43 | fas3r | babilen: or on debian |
| 16:49.46 | SmashingX | k |
| 16:49.49 | fas3r | i guess it's the same. |
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| 16:50.43 | babilen | fas3r: Are you using Debian? What exactly do you mean by "maximum number of LVM" ? |
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| 16:51.25 | ripero | Is anybody familiar with the installation/configuration of fail2ban in debian? I cannot make it work properly |
| 16:51.36 | Coornail | I did it a few times |
| 16:51.40 | Coornail | what is the question? |
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| 16:52.54 | ripero | well, I think everything is correctly setup, but fail2ban fails to ban the offending IPs |
| 16:53.49 | babilen | Well, it is called fail2ban for a reason it seems |
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| 16:54.02 | Coornail | what does iptables -L says |
| 16:54.09 | Coornail | it doesn't drop the existing connections |
| 16:54.16 | Coornail | it just doesn't allow any new ones |
| 16:54.20 | Coornail | maybe that's confusing |
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| 16:56.02 | ripero | there is some fail2ban stuff in iptables, but no particular IP |
| 16:56.04 | ripero | http://pastebin.com/SCJi0gT1 |
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| 16:57.05 | Coornail | that's empty |
| 16:57.16 | Coornail | it takes some time for it to analyze the logs |
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| 16:57.22 | Coornail | but normally not more than 5 minutes |
| 16:57.34 | ripero | the logs are quite short |
| 16:58.00 | Coornail | I think it's polling it periodically |
| 16:58.07 | Coornail | /var/log/messages says anything interesting? |
| 16:58.10 | ripero | and it's been like... 15 minutes |
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| 17:00.29 | ripero | the 'bad IPs' are in /var/log/apache2/error.log* , mostly in old logs (the last one is clean) |
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| 17:01.02 | Coornail | there is /var/log/fail2ban.log |
| 17:01.10 | Coornail | maybe you can increase the verboseness if that's not enough |
| 17:01.22 | Coornail | oh I don't think it will parse out the old logs |
| 17:01.28 | Coornail | I think it's just looking at the current one |
| 17:01.36 | Coornail | and ban it for some time (by default 1 hour?) |
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| 17:01.58 | ripero | I changed the defaults |
| 17:02.04 | ripero | to try longer banning times |
| 17:02.59 | ripero | in the past I had some "recurring" attempters |
| 17:03.40 | Coornail | I ban ips for a day, that should be enough for most cases |
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| 17:03.52 | Coornail | they can try for 5 minutes and byebye for a day |
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| 17:04.38 | ripero | my old approach was to grep log files and add them to /etc/hosts.deny |
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| 17:05.07 | ripero | for life |
| 17:06.14 | FreeMem | holy cow do ya hate me that much? |
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| 17:07.03 | FreeMem | how about a fidonet stargate SG-1 virus? |
| 17:07.14 | FreeMem | where all the crash mail is LIT |
| 17:07.20 | FreeMem | lol |
| 17:07.21 | babilen | FreeMem: Do you have a Debian related question we can help you with? |
| 17:07.26 | FreeMem | sure |
| 17:07.36 | cusco | hi |
| 17:07.49 | cusco | im trying to install package php5-sybase |
| 17:07.54 | FreeMem | how shall I go forward with my cobalt raq 4i and distro's past lenny? |
| 17:08.06 | cusco | but it depends on libapache2-php5 |
| 17:08.13 | babilen | !tell cusco -about bat |
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| 17:08.29 | FreeMem | alo? |
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| 17:08.55 | FreeMem | pray that david's health get's better? |
| 17:08.56 | cusco | babilen: my problem is that this package depends on apache, while it should be able to depend only on php-cli |
| 17:08.59 | babilen | FreeMem: Which CPU/architecture? |
| 17:09.01 | cusco | such as php5-mysql |
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| 17:09.25 | FreeMem | bab - ;et er go |
| 17:09.27 | cusco | I think its not a apt-problem, but a package with wrong deps |
| 17:09.36 | cusco | it shoudl depend on either one or other, not both |
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| 17:09.52 | FreeMem | sun cobalt raq 4i -ftw |
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| 17:10.28 | cusco | or I may be missreading its dependencys ? |
| 17:10.28 | babilen | FreeMem: Which CPU and/or architecture? What is the problem post-lenny? |
| 17:10.44 | cusco | http://paste.debian.net/159868/ |
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| 17:10.49 | FreeMem | what comes after lenny? |
| 17:10.57 | FreeMem | uh.. |
| 17:11.05 | FreeMem | help me |
| 17:11.17 | helmut_ | hi |
| 17:11.31 | cusco | babilen: don't I have the needed deps? http://paste.debian.net/159869/ |
| 17:11.35 | cusco | it tries to install apache |
| 17:11.37 | babilen | cusco: The only dependency I can see are those on phpapi-20090626* which are satisfied by php5-cli as well. Is php5-cli installed already? |
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| 17:11.46 | FreeMem | isn't it stargate G-1 debian after lenny? |
| 17:12.03 | cusco | squeeze |
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| 17:12.11 | FreeMem | squeeze thanks |
| 17:12.24 | FreeMem | okay let me rephrase my orig OP |
| 17:12.55 | FreeMem | what comes on the sun cobalt raq 4i after squeeze which I got running on it now |
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| 17:13.13 | FreeMem | and how do I get it on a 512 MB chip |
| 17:13.20 | babilen | cusco: Those phpapi-20090626* packages are virtual packages that are provided by libapache2-mod-php5, libapache2-mod-php5filter, php5-cgi, php5-cli -- The dependency should be satisfied by php5-cli as well (even though libapache2-mod-php5 is preferred if none is installed yet) |
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| 17:13.52 | cusco | babilen: in my second paste there is a list of installed php where php5-cli is listed |
| 17:14.11 | FreeMem | or how long does squeeze go for in years X10 |
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| 17:14.23 | FreeMem | I need to plan for 10 years |
| 17:14.34 | babilen | FreeMem: I have no idea what you are trying to ask - What problem do you have with squeeze on that platform? Which CPU is in *your* boxes (Cobalt RaQs come in different flavours) |
| 17:14.38 | FreeMem | see what I am sayin? |
| 17:14.50 | FreeMem | I have no problem |
| 17:14.52 | FreeMem | dave rocks |
| 17:15.03 | FreeMem | But DO YOU SEE what I am sayin? |
| 17:15.08 | cusco | trolling? |
| 17:15.12 | FreeMem | no |
| 17:15.22 | FreeMem | I'll stop |
| 17:15.26 | babilen | FreeMem: Debian stable releases are *not* supported for 10 years, but typically for 3 (that is actually: one year after the next stable release or as soon as another stable release has been made) |
| 17:15.40 | FreeMem | I know that's a bummer |
| 17:15.52 | FreeMem | anyway I said I'd stop |
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| 17:15.53 | cusco | ok.. in my opinion you can't guarantee OS in your machine for 10 years, if OS does nto guarantee it for you |
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| 17:16.10 | babilen | FreeMem: Please keep it on-topic. If you really have a question about your boxes and Debian's support for them I will provide answers. If not: Play somewhere else. |
| 17:16.19 | Owner | where do i get gzcat and bzcat ? |
| 17:16.20 | FreeMem | that was a real question |
| 17:16.24 | FreeMem | bal |
| 17:16.27 | FreeMem | babilen: |
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| 17:17.00 | cusco | could it be about version, php5-cli seems to be out of date |
| 17:17.05 | FreeMem | You know dave babilen |
| 17:17.38 | FreeMem | http://raqcop.com/ |
| 17:17.42 | FreeMem | dave |
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| 17:18.20 | somiaj | FreeMem: after oldstable looses support the releases are moved to archive.debian.org -- so the packages/software is available for longer than the offical supported date...they just will not have secuirty updates....welp to late. |
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| 17:19.39 | Owner | where do i get gzcat and bzcat ? |
| 17:19.51 | somiaj | !tell Owner about search |
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| 17:20.03 | babilen | !tell Owner -about apt-file |
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| 17:20.22 | Owner | please do not message me |
| 17:20.23 | babilen | Owner: In particular: apt-file search -x "bin/bzcat$" |
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| 17:20.27 | babilen | Owner: Why not? |
| 17:20.31 | somiaj | does the -about just keep dpkg from sending you a tell? |
| 17:20.35 | Owner | babilen~# thanks |
| 17:20.36 | cusco | babilen: that was it. php5-cli was not up to date |
| 17:20.37 | babilen | somiaj: exactly |
| 17:20.38 | cusco | thanks |
| 17:20.46 | somiaj | Owner: you can also use packages.debian.org if you don't want to install apt-file. |
| 17:20.57 | babilen | cusco: You are welcome -- Glad that we've been able to sort it out. |
| 17:21.03 | Iridos | somiaj, ETOOLATE |
| 17:21.06 | Owner | somiaj~# thanks |
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| 17:22.11 | Owner | aww there is no gzcat |
| 17:22.20 | somiaj | Owner: just zcat |
| 17:22.34 | Owner | somiaj~# ahhh thanks |
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| 17:23.56 | somiaj | Owner: zless is nice too |
| 17:24.05 | Owner | even better |
| 17:24.17 | Owner | i didnt know about those! |
| 17:24.33 | petemc | eval $(lesspipe) |
| 17:24.43 | babilen | ,file zcat |
| 17:24.49 | judd | Search for zcat in squeeze/i386: bzip2: bin/bzcat; gzip: bin/zcat; ldnsutils: usr/bin/ldns-zcat; lzma: usr/bin/lzcat; xz-utils: usr/bin/xzcat; dictzip: usr/bin/dictzcat; zziplib-bin: usr/bin/zzcat; namazu2: usr/bin/nmzcat; xz-lzma: usr/bin/lzcat; backuppc: usr/share/backuppc/bin/BackupPC_zcat; klibc-utils: usr/lib/klibc/bin/zcat; zsh-beta: usr/share/zsh- |
| 17:24.50 | judd | beta/functions/Completion/Unix/_zcat; libio-compress-perl: usr/share/doc/libio-compress-perl/examples/compress-zlib/gzcat, usr/share/doc/libio-compress-perl/examples/io/bzip2/bzcat, usr/share/doc/libio-compress-perl/examples/io/gzip/gzcat; zsh: usr/share/zsh/functions/Completion/Unix/_zcat |
| 17:24.53 | babilen | ,file bzcat |
| 17:24.59 | judd | Search for bzcat in squeeze/i386: bzip2: bin/bzcat; libio-compress-perl: usr/share/doc/libio-compress-perl/examples/io/bzip2/bzcat |
| 17:25.00 | babilen | Owner: fwiw ^^^ |
| 17:25.02 | babilen | *sigh* |
| 17:25.31 | Owner | it used to be gzcat |
| 17:26.29 | cusco | zcat and zless |
| 17:26.34 | cusco | usethem sometimes |
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| 17:26.35 | DammitJim | what command can I use to view the hard drive size? |
| 17:26.36 | cusco | and zgrep |
| 17:26.37 | FreeMem | babilen: can I ask another question? |
| 17:26.41 | DammitJim | the total... not having to add up stuff with df |
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| 17:27.04 | babilen | FreeMem: Sure - Please note what I've told you in my private message though. |
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| 17:27.35 | Owner | every file i want to read is always gz'd.... heh |
| 17:27.59 | fahi | DammitJim: fdisk, cfdisk, parted |
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| 17:28.15 | somiaj | DammitJim: fdisk -l /dev/sda should print out lots of info about your drive |
| 17:28.23 | babilen | justs uses less (which uses zless if needed) -- I wonder if I configured it to do that years ago, if it is the default behaviour or a feature of a newer version :-/ |
| 17:28.39 | DammitJim | thanks fahi, cfdisk gives you the summary at the top |
| 17:29.11 | DammitJim | thanks somiaj fdisk -l /dev/sda also prints it on the top |
| 17:29.20 | somiaj | babilen: must be something your configured, less doesn't do that by default on my sid. |
| 17:29.21 | DammitJim | I missed that earlier when I was doing fdisk |
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| 17:29.48 | DammitJim | it's nice to see that SSD drives are coming down in price |
| 17:29.53 | babilen | Ah - I guess it is just that I use "most" as pager (i.e. /etc/alternatives/pager -> /usr/bin/most) |
| 17:30.00 | babilen | somiaj: ^^^ |
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| 17:30.22 | petemc | babilen: thats what lesspipe does |
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| 17:30.35 | FreeMem | babilen: do you have a top1000/100/10 sort utility? |
| 17:30.44 | Na_Klar | when I updated /etc/network/interfaces, what do I have to do to make these changings executive? |
| 17:30.55 | babilen | FreeMem: What would such a utility do? |
| 17:31.04 | somiaj | Na_Klar: ifup/ifdown are the scripts that parse that file |
| 17:31.06 | FreeMem | interface with iptables |
| 17:31.09 | FreeMem | squid |
| 17:31.14 | FreeMem | etc |
| 17:31.16 | Na_Klar | somiaj, ty |
| 17:31.20 | somiaj | Na_Klar: so if you changed settings for eth0, ifdown eth0 && ifup eth0 |
| 17:31.29 | fahi | babilen: ah, didn't even know there's a pager alternative, I just use the PAGER env var |
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| 17:31.36 | FreeMem | ;o) |
| 17:31.38 | babilen | Na_Klar: "ifdown -a ; ifup -a" (but note that this might not bring back all interfaces that were active before -- You can also down/up individual interfaces. Please read "man ifup") |
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| 17:31.56 | Na_Klar | somiaj, babilen, ty |
| 17:31.58 | passstab | hi |
| 17:32.21 | passstab | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:32.43 | passstab | with the stable image as suggested |
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| 17:33.06 | passstab | is there a way to netinstall testing? |
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| 17:33.39 | somiaj | passstab: The suggested way is to install the base system from the stable netinstaller. Then dist-upgrade to testing using apt |
| 17:33.53 | passstab | ok |
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| 17:33.58 | passstab | thanks |
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| 17:34.04 | somiaj | passstab: note many would be better served running squeeze+backports as to run testing and dealing with its bugs. |
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| 17:35.05 | passstab | but i'v heared that backports is rarely updated |
| 17:35.23 | fahi | I wish I could run squeeze, but xorg intel driver are too old and not backported. I'm looking forward to wheezy freeze :) |
| 17:35.39 | babilen | petemc: You win the lottery -- It is indeed lesspipe (which is enabled by the default .bashrc in /etc/skel/) Thanks :) |
| 17:35.46 | somiaj | passstab: newer isn't always better. The security/bug issues of testing will cause you constant issues (as it is a moving target) |
| 17:36.06 | somiaj | fahi: xorg is in backports and I have seen many get even sandy bridge support working with the xorg intel drivers from backports. |
| 17:36.20 | asulil | Hi all |
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| 17:36.32 | passstab | ok i'll star with stable |
| 17:36.40 | passstab | then see how it goes |
| 17:36.41 | somiaj | passstab: are you new to debian? |
| 17:36.59 | asulil | on wich server can I join THB please? thanks |
| 17:37.00 | passstab | coming from ubu |
| 17:37.06 | asulil | TB |
| 17:37.11 | passstab | (mint) |
| 17:37.20 | fahi | somiaj: When I install the intel drivers from backports, then I can no longer install the nvidia drivers |
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| 17:37.47 | fahi | somiaj: sorry, this was my problem and not that there were no intel drivers |
| 17:37.58 | somiaj | fahi: the nvidia drivers have recentally made it to backports as well. But I didn't think linux supported those dual graphic card laptops yet. |
| 17:38.29 | somiaj | (the ones with the sandybridge/nvidia mobil cards that switch depending on application/load) |
| 17:38.30 | ironcamel | i'm going from ubuntu->linux mint debian -> ... and i want to install plain debian on my new home laptop. is that a good idea? should i use wheezy or squeeze? |
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| 17:38.56 | boudiccas | ironcamel; squeeze |
| 17:39.02 | somiaj | passstab: well debian does things a good amount different than its derivatives. You will find squeeze packages to be 'old' in comparision but the functionality is all there (with backports you should get most of what you want). |
| 17:39.10 | fahi | somiaj: I got it working because I have a docking station, so it basically comes down to two graphic cards installed with 3 attached monitors |
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| 17:39.29 | passstab | would you recomend the grafical installer? |
| 17:39.36 | passstab | or the other |
| 17:39.50 | somiaj | passstab: my suggestion is use deban stable for a while and learn how debian does things, deals with depends, and using the software management tools dpkg/aptiude |
| 17:39.52 | epicfail | ironcamel, its prob not because new hardware is poorly supported. But you can give it a shot anyway, try squeeze but enable backports |
| 17:39.52 | ironcamel | boudiccas: thanks. any gotchas i should be aware of for installing debian on the desktop? |
| 17:39.55 | boudiccas | graphical if you're not used to text only installers |
| 17:39.58 | fahi | somiaj: so the two dvi ports on my docking stations are just hardwired to the nvidia card and the internal display is hardwired to the intel card. |
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| 17:40.09 | boudiccas | ironcamel; none that i'm aware of |
| 17:40.17 | somiaj | passstab: that way if you decide to run testing at a later date you have the knowledge to fix things you run across. I suggest the text installer and I prefer expert mode (I don't like things being hiden from me) |
| 17:40.19 | ironcamel | epicfail: i bought a laptop from www.system76.com |
| 17:40.25 | fahi | somiaj: but thanks for the hint, I didn't know nvidia was backported |
| 17:40.28 | ironcamel | epicfail: they sell laptops pre-installed with ubuntu |
| 17:40.55 | passstab | does it have good defaults? |
| 17:41.04 | passstab | (more or less ) |
| 17:41.06 | somiaj | fahi: well the 275 drivers for nvidia made it into backports a month or so ago, but yes there was a long time you had to backport the nivida drivers yourself. (: |
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| 17:41.17 | ironcamel | epicfail: what does enable backports mean? uncomment something in /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 17:41.33 | somiaj | !tell ironcamel -about squeeze-backports |
| 17:41.38 | epicfail | ironcamel, basically yes |
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| 17:44.35 | null- | ironcamel: is it solid? the laptop from system76 |
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| 17:44.42 | passstab | on a laptop i want do not configure keyboard? |
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| 17:45.07 | CookieJar | why must MIDI be so addicting |
| 17:45.32 | somiaj | passstab: no you want to configure it. |
| 17:47.46 | CookieJar | to be more precise, been playing with timidity |
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| 17:47.46 | ironcamel | null-: it is pretty awesome |
| 17:47.46 | ironcamel | i haven't played with it much though, cause i want to take off ubuntu, but the quality of the materials is great |
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| 17:50.52 | jelly-home | CookieJar: if you have CPU cycles to spare, fluidsynth gives out a bit nicer reproduction |
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| 17:51.07 | CookieJar | hmm |
| 17:51.31 | CookieJar | I should look into that, currently only have debian on my netbook |
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| 17:51.36 | null- | ironcamel: nice |
| 17:51.55 | jelly-home | CookieJar: which soundfont/patchset are you using? |
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| 17:52.09 | CookieJar | right now I am just using timidity with weedsGMS |
| 17:52.28 | CookieJar | #zdoom over in esper reccomended it |
| 17:52.30 | jelly-home | haven't listened to that one |
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| 17:53.32 | CookieJar | if ya want I can record you a sample (would be doom's E1M1) |
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| 17:54.32 | jelly-home | nah, I'll test with Monkey Island and other assorted stuff |
| 17:54.43 | CookieJar | alrighty |
| 17:55.37 | passstab | i want the / partition bootable right? |
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| 17:55.51 | nemysis | GRUB2 can't bee installed in Partitions this is bad, how to start Debian without this with GAG |
| 17:56.08 | thewanderer1 | passstab, only if no separate /boot |
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| 17:56.50 | tremon | passstab: you only need a bootable partition if you use ms' mbr |
| 17:56.54 | nemysis | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:57.04 | nemysis | I use MBR yes |
| 17:57.26 | nemysis | good then partitions new have saved Debian |
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| 17:57.54 | nemysis | how big should be /boot partitions is 1GB enough |
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| 17:58.11 | null- | 100MB is enough |
| 17:58.25 | thewanderer1 | 100MB can be a bit low if you plan on installing many OSes and testing a lot of kernels |
| 17:58.29 | somiaj | nemysis: any paticular reason you want/need a /boot partition? |
| 17:58.34 | thewanderer1 | but for simple usage, 100MB is ok |
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| 17:59.03 | nemysis | somiaj, can't use grub2 to install in partitions this is the reason |
| 17:59.20 | nemysis | in /dev/sda3 root from Debian |
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| 17:59.54 | null- | I only use a separate /boot partition when encrypting the HDD |
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| 18:01.16 | somiaj | nemysis: debian kernels take up about 15-20Megs (this includes the config/initrd/system.map/vmlinuz files) in boot. and /boot/grub is about 5megs (on my system) if you want a concept of how much space debian takes per kernel. |
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| 18:01.44 | passstab | is it better to use logical or primary partitions? |
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| 18:02.04 | passstab | i know just one logical |
| 18:02.14 | somiaj | passstab: you are only allowed 4 primary partitions and you can extend one of thoes into multiple logical partitions |
| 18:02.19 | nemysis | ok then i have about 400GB free 1GB is nothing can I after install grub2 in /boot from Debian and use GAG |
| 18:02.26 | passstab | i know |
| 18:02.30 | somiaj | passstab: so it depends on desire, but there isn't that much of a difference in the end of primary vs logical. |
| 18:02.37 | thewanderer1 | just wtf is GAG... |
| 18:02.41 | passstab | ok thanks |
| 18:02.47 | nemysis | yes have extented but /boot is now dev/sda3 and Debian sda5 |
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| 18:04.21 | nemysis | swap 2Gb is sda5 for Debian |
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| 18:04.25 | cakehero | Anyone know why Control-C wouldn't work when connecting to Debian 6.0 via Terminal? |
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| 18:04.45 | cakehero | not quite sure how to debug it, I see it is set in stty -a |
| 18:04.48 | somiaj | cakehero: define doesn't work. |
| 18:04.57 | kreign | hi folks, I seem to be having a problem getting mod_rewrite to work on debian to redirect all http to https. I've got a .htaccess file in DocumentRoot with the appropriate redirect and I've done a2enmod rewrite and restarted apache; however, no redirection is taking place. I've also added RewriteEngine on to the 000-default site. contents of the htaccess file is "RewriteRule (.*) https://%{HTTP_HOST}%{REQUEST_URI}" |
| 18:04.59 | tremon | cakehero: define connecting |
| 18:05.02 | kreign | how might i get this to work? |
| 18:05.14 | cakehero | Terminal -> SSH -> Debian 6.0 server w/bash |
| 18:05.21 | cakehero | When I'm at the shell prompt I hit Control-C and it doesn't start a new line |
| 18:05.22 | petemc | cakehero: which terminal? |
| 18:05.27 | cakehero | xterm-color |
| 18:05.32 | cakehero | Terminal.app is what I meant |
| 18:05.35 | cakehero | the mac terminal app |
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| 18:05.46 | cakehero | but the mac terminal app is passing control-C to other remote servers so it's probably unrelated to that |
| 18:05.48 | somiaj | kreign: by default mod_rewrite isn't enabled in deban, I think you need to add a link in /etc/apche2/mods-enabled (or something like that) |
| 18:05.55 | jordanm | kreign: for it to work via htacess, you need to configure AllowOveride for that vhost |
| 18:06.02 | cakehero | like if type "sleep 10" I can't use control-c to sigint it |
| 18:06.19 | somiaj | kreign: there is a /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/mod_rewrite (something like that already, it just isn't linked to be loaded with apache). |
| 18:06.21 | jordanm | kreign: otherwise, the rewrite needs to go into the vhost config |
| 18:06.34 | cakehero | I'd be happy to provide more info if you know what I should do to debug |
| 18:07.28 | somiaj | cakehero: then ctrl-C isn't sending the correct signal to the terminal...are you just on a debian console or connencting to it via ssh from some other terminal? |
| 18:07.33 | tremon | cakehero: I've never had that problem. My first guess would still be the mac terminal. Can you try a different terminal app or connecting to a different server and test whether it works there? |
| 18:07.46 | kreign | somiaj, yeah, I've got rewrite in mods-enabled. |
| 18:08.11 | cakehero | somiaj connecting via SSH from Mac Terminal.app |
| 18:08.15 | kreign | jordanm, ahh, ok. how might I do it from within the vhost def? |
| 18:08.26 | cakehero | tremon It does work on another server - but good debugging suggestion |
| 18:08.56 | somiaj | cakehero: most likely it is your terminal isn't sending the correct signal to the shell.... |
| 18:09.04 | cakehero | interesting |
| 18:09.13 | tremon | cakehero: you can also try ctrl-Z, ctrl-D etc |
| 18:09.19 | jordanm | kreign: AllowOverride All - in the <directory> tags you want to allow .htaccess files in |
| 18:09.28 | kreign | ok |
| 18:09.30 | cakehero | control-z does work |
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| 18:11.58 | cakehero | Thanks for your help somiaj and tremon and petemc - let me know if you think of anything else! |
| 18:12.04 | cakehero | I checked "trap" also, nothing there |
| 18:12.12 | cakehero | I checked the bash profile to see if it was making any modifications |
| 18:13.28 | passstab | do i want 2.6-amd64 |
| 18:13.30 | kreign | jordanm, someone in #httpd also gave me the advice that I should use Redirect in the vhost and I don't need mod_rewrite |
| 18:13.36 | kreign | jordanm, fyi. Thanks though. ;) |
| 18:13.39 | kreign | I got it working. |
| 18:13.46 | passstab | or 2.6.32-5-amd64? |
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| 18:14.19 | jhutchins_wk | Meta keys on Macs may send different signals than the equivalent intel keys. |
| 18:14.22 | jelly-home | CookieJar: nice, more well rounded than Fluid_R3. Unison.SF2 is half the size but who really cares about a couple MB these days. |
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| 18:14.51 | jelly-home | CookieJar: too bad it had restrictions for usage, thus can't be included in Debian |
| 18:15.23 | somiaj | cakehero: random guess, 'dpkg-reconfigure locales' -- make sure you select 'none' as the default, maybe this is overriding things and causing issues with ctrl characters |
| 18:15.28 | jelly-home | Monkey Island title theme still sounds a bit better with Fluid R3 |
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| 18:15.43 | cakehero | somiaj ok I'll try that |
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| 18:16.05 | jelly-home | but Outrun (Magical Sound Shower) wins |
| 18:16.43 | cakehero | somiaj en_US.UTF-8 UTF-8 is what it's set to |
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| 18:17.09 | somiaj | cakehero: set that to 'none' so it accepts the settings from the termainl you are sshing from |
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| 18:17.19 | cakehero | i see |
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| 18:18.11 | passstab | anyone? |
| 18:18.51 | somiaj | passstab: 2.6-amd64 points at the current kernel. You most likely want that |
| 18:19.00 | passstab | ok thanks |
| 18:19.10 | somiaj | passstab: so if there is a security/version update on the kernel it will pull in the newer kernel that points to |
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| 18:19.38 | somiaj | passstab: though on a testing system I prefer to use 2.6.32-5-amd64 (or whatever the kernel version is) due to I don't like new kernels pulled in automatically. |
| 18:19.58 | somiaj | passstab: that is so you understand the difference, one is a metapackage that points to the current 2.6 kernel, the other is an exact kernel version. |
| 18:20.16 | somiaj | (on a stable system this isn't much of an issue, but a moving target like testing/unstable this could be) |
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| 18:20.27 | passstab | you convinced me to stay stable :) |
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| 18:20.48 | kevlarman | somiaj: ew, 2.6.32 on a desktop? |
| 18:21.02 | cakehero | somiaj no dice |
| 18:21.04 | passstab | http or ftp? |
| 18:21.24 | passstab | i know firewalls are not a problem |
| 18:21.28 | somiaj | kevlarman: default debian stable kernel, and unless you have newer hardware you don't really need a newer kernel. |
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| 18:21.44 | somiaj | passstab: I prefer ftp myself, but I doubt there is a major difference if you don't have firewall/proxy issues. |
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| 18:21.51 | kevlarman | somiaj: there are massive scheduler improvements in ~2.6.36 |
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| 18:22.23 | kevlarman | somiaj: after you've used the new scheduler, the old kernels just feel unusable |
| 18:22.26 | somiaj | kevlarman: running sid here I don't keep up with/when the changes happen. But he sitll needs a startping, point him to the backports kenel, I think he may like that. |
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| 18:22.47 | kevlarman | backports is 3.2 isn't it? |
| 18:22.54 | sidewalk | which graphical login manager is it that the latest stable comes with? |
| 18:23.00 | somiaj | backports as 2.6.39, 3.1 and 3.2 so there is choice |
| 18:23.03 | kevlarman | sidewalk: gdm2 |
| 18:23.05 | sidewalk | is it gdm3?' |
| 18:23.07 | sidewalk | is it gdm3? |
| 18:23.14 | sidewalk | thansk |
| 18:23.15 | somiaj | the package name is gdm3 |
| 18:23.33 | somiaj | sidewalk: you can of course install what ever dm you like, I prefer slim thesedays |
| 18:23.34 | kevlarman | somiaj: is it really? |
| 18:23.41 | somiaj | ,versions gdm3 |
| 18:23.42 | judd | Package: gdm3 on i386 -- squeeze-security: 2.30.5-6squeeze2; squeeze: 2.30.5-6squeeze4; sid: 3.0.4-4; wheezy: 3.0.4-4 |
| 18:23.53 | somiaj | ,versions gdm2 |
| 18:23.54 | judd | No package named 'gdm2' was found in i386. |
| 18:23.55 | kevlarman | ah so it's just the package name |
| 18:24.02 | kevlarman | that's weird |
| 18:24.05 | somiaj | kevlarman: yea I don't know why (or care since I don't use gnome) its called that. |
| 18:24.37 | kevlarman | somiaj: slim has issues, some people have run into it randomly generating multi-gb log files for no apparent reason |
| 18:24.53 | kevlarman | (kinda wish debian would package lxdm because of that) |
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| 18:26.04 | somiaj | kevlarman: yea slim on laptop / startx (no dm) on desktop here. Though I don't need anything fancy, just something to start up fvwm |
| 18:27.06 | kevlarman | somiaj: lxdm is my current preference of nothing fancy that is still maintained |
| 18:27.10 | somiaj | kevlarman: I use to use wdm before I was introduced to slim. not a big dm fan so don't know the insides of which is better, I just think it was far easier to make slim look nice. |
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| 18:27.33 | kevlarman | somiaj: also unpatched slim doesn't do the consolekit stuff |
| 18:28.01 | kevlarman | so you run into issues if you try to use pulseaudio or something (or even xfce) |
| 18:28.02 | somiaj | kevlarman: I see that as a plus, I try to keep consolekit, dbus, and stuff like that off my desktop. |
| 18:28.08 | cakehero | if I send a SIGINT using the kill command that doesn't work either |
| 18:28.28 | thewanderer1 | uh, what exactly does consolekit do anyway? |
| 18:28.57 | kevlarman | thewanderer1: it gives local users access to things local users should be able to do without having to be root |
| 18:29.08 | somiaj | thewanderer1: apt-cache show consolekit -- the description makes me cringe...(: |
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| 18:29.22 | kevlarman | notably, shutting down/restarting/suspending, and access to audio hardware |
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| 18:29.37 | jelly-home | being able to lock a screen |
| 18:29.45 | thewanderer1 | aha... but I could always do that! |
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| 18:29.46 | jelly-home | _and_ unlock it |
| 18:29.54 | jelly-home | thewanderer1: you just THOUGHT you could!\ |
| 18:29.56 | kleanchap | I am using keepassx password manager and would like it to start soon after I login. The keepassx configuration has been set to do that but when I login, the application is not running and not in the system tray. |
| 18:30.01 | somiaj | seems like a reinvetion of the wheel, group permisions should be enough to me. I haven't seen an issue. |
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| 18:30.14 | somiaj | kleanchap: what desktop/wm do you use? |
| 18:30.45 | kleanchap | somiaj, gnome |
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| 18:31.32 | somiaj | kevlarman: I'm one of the view the linux desktop is causing bad decisions for linux. I don't like all these new userland dameons, they always seem to add some silly abstract layer that changes enough to cause more problems than it should. It defies KISS imo. |
| 18:31.46 | somiaj | kleanchap: use the gnome tools to add a newstart up program |
| 18:31.46 | kevlarman | somiaj: i hate most of them too |
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| 18:31.57 | kevlarman | but consolekit is doing things right |
| 18:31.58 | sllide | for some reason ACPI isnt working |
| 18:32.19 | sllide | are there drivers i need or something? |
| 18:32.33 | kevlarman | somiaj: and it's going away in favor of something that requires systemd :( |
| 18:32.39 | kleanchap | somiaj, Thnx! |
| 18:32.57 | somiaj | kleanchap: google 'gnome startup programs' if you want more assenstiance. That should point you in the right direction |
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| 18:33.16 | me-1 | hi..what is sid |
| 18:33.39 | somiaj | kevlarman: the linux-dekstop pushers have made me complement swithcing to BSD for a while now, but so far they haven't gotten in my way to much. I just hope debian keeps the dependencies on the new fads to a minimum. |
| 18:33.45 | somiaj | me-1: the code name for deban unstable. |
| 18:33.46 | sllide | http://pastebin.com/pKTL8T19 |
| 18:34.10 | kevlarman | somiaj: bsd is pretty much unusable for me |
| 18:34.13 | passstab | sid is the unstable branch of debian iirc |
| 18:34.13 | me-1 | somiaj, why would one use it..? |
| 18:34.22 | jelly-home | somiaj: it's all a conspiracy to make Linux as opaque as Windows! |
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| 18:35.09 | somiaj | me-1: because I like the fun of figuring out bugs and helping debian test new things. But most people should run stable. |
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| 18:35.22 | me-1 | can use sid as my day to day OS ..? |
| 18:35.38 | me-1 | i am an avearge user |
| 18:35.41 | daemonkeeper | You can. This doesn't mean you should. |
| 18:35.43 | somiaj | me-1: I have been for years, but if you haven't used debian before, get use to stable and how debian does things so you can fix it when it will break |
| 18:35.57 | somiaj | me-1: sid will break your system one day, but if you know what your doing you can usually fix it. |
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| 18:36.09 | somiaj | jelly-home: I belive the same conspiricay theory. |
| 18:36.25 | kevlarman | somiaj: well, it's working |
| 18:36.41 | me-1 | somiaj, does it use bleeding edge apps.? |
| 18:36.41 | kevlarman | somiaj: i have a feeling i'm going to be forced to switch to windows when wayland becomes unavoidable |
| 18:36.42 | daemonkeeper | I've been running Sid since roughly ten years. |
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| 18:37.08 | daemonkeeper | But yes, be prepared to some problems sooner or later. |
| 18:37.10 | jhutchins_wk | What's the other gnome fork besides unity and cinnamon? Matt? |
| 18:37.32 | kevlarman | jhutchins_wk: mate |
| 18:37.38 | kleanchap | brb |
| 18:37.44 | jhutchins_wk | kevlarman: Right, thx. |
| 18:37.50 | me-1 | should i assume sid to be as stable as windows..? |
| 18:37.58 | kevlarman | tbh i'd use that over xfce if it was mature |
| 18:38.06 | thewanderer1 | me-1, no. |
| 18:38.12 | Sabbie | I'm trying to change my user's default path, the user has /bin/sh as shell, which points to dash. I've tried to edit the path in /etc/profile and I've tried to create a bashrc, but that wouldn't work. I can't find any info on a 'dashrc' or something like that. Anyone who can give me a hint? |
| 18:38.40 | me-1 | thewanderer1, less or more..? |
| 18:38.53 | bolt | does the debian standard system have anything suited to check if i can open a connection to a mail server on a given ip? i was thinking of using telnet, making a connection, just saying "quit" and checking the exit status, but i'm wondering if there's a better suited tool |
| 18:38.55 | passstab | mate is a gnome 2 fork tho |
| 18:39.03 | passstab | the others are 3 |
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| 18:40.17 | fahi | Sabbie: dash should read /etc/profile and ~/.profile |
| 18:40.28 | jelly-home | bolt: swaks |
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| 18:40.48 | kleanchap | somiaj, Thnx. The gnome tools did the work. |
| 18:41.08 | fahi | Sabbie: what did you puth in there anyway? |
| 18:41.17 | jelly-home | bolt: if you don't want to actually send a test mail, RTFM about --quit-after |
| 18:41.32 | Sabbie | fahi: I've added ~/bin to the path in /etc/profile |
| 18:41.46 | Sabbie | and just now I created a ~/.profile with PATH=~/bin:$PATH |
| 18:41.59 | Sabbie | but both don't seem to work when I su to the user at least |
| 18:42.10 | fahi | Sabbie: you need to export it, so put export in front of PATH |
| 18:42.13 | bolt | jelly-home: awesome! looks like just what i need. thanks! |
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| 18:42.39 | Sabbie | fahi yeah tried that to :) |
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| 18:43.52 | fahi | Sabbie: are you trying to modify PATH for a login shell? |
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| 18:44.42 | Sabbie | no fahi, I'm trying to setup gitlab, so I made a user git. This user doesn't have a login shell, but I do want to change it's path |
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| 18:46.58 | fahi | Sabbie: the profile is only read if you actually log into the shell, so this would be the expected behavior |
| 18:47.18 | fahi | Sabbie: you should export PATH before you execute gitlab |
| 18:48.49 | passstab | it comes with gnash? |
| 18:48.50 | passstab | lol |
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| 18:50.10 | cakehero | zong |
| 18:50.11 | cakehero | zomg |
| 18:51.31 | DammitJim | whoa! I finally got playonlinux on my wheezy box! |
| 18:51.34 | Sabbie | I see, thanks for your help fahi, I'll try some more |
| 18:51.42 | karsten | jelly-home: Damn, I learned something. |
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| 18:52.18 | karsten | (WRT swaks). |
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| 18:54.05 | fahi | Sabbie: yw :) |
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| 18:56.57 | jelly-home | karsten: I'm reading s/Damn/Thanks/ |
| 18:57.23 | MyNameIsRetro | Hi, is there anyone who can tell me what I have to add to my preseed.cfg so that the installer will not try to use a network mirror? I already set "d-i apt-setup/no_mirror boolean true", but that only influences the to-be-installed-system's sources.list - what I'm looking for is something like "d-i mirror/no_mirror boolean true" or "d-i mirror/file string /cdrom" (neither are valid options, though). |
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| 18:57.48 | loop- | did someone say conspiracy |
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| 18:58.07 | boudiccas | !anyone |
| 18:58.07 | passstab | how do i add wifi now? |
| 18:58.07 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
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| 19:01.09 | cakehero | Thanks for your help somiaj and tremon and petemc - reboot fixed it (shoot myself) |
| 19:01.13 | karsten | jelly-home: Well, that's a sense of entitlement you got there ;-) |
| 19:01.18 | karsten | jelly-home: Oh, and thanks. |
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| 19:02.40 | Jef91 | I'm trying to SSH into a debian machine I have but I am unable to... It keeps giving me "Permission denied (publickey)." How can I resolve this? Never had this issue before using SSH |
| 19:02.53 | Jef91 | Both machines are connected via a local network |
| 19:03.07 | MyNameIsRetro | Jef91: Are you sure you are using the proper public key file? |
| 19:03.12 | passstab | how do i add wifi support to my new debian system? |
| 19:03.31 | Jef91 | MyNameIsRetro how can you tell? |
| 19:03.44 | Jef91 | All I did was "sudo apt-get install openssh-server" |
| 19:03.47 | Jef91 | and then try to log in |
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| 19:03.59 | MyNameIsRetro | Jef91: Well, Step 1 would be to check if you're using a key file at all ;) |
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| 19:04.15 | Jef91 | Got a link to a doc describing how I do that? |
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| 19:04.32 | nand` | How hard is it to set up a DNS server using BIND? |
| 19:04.55 | MyNameIsRetro | Jef91: are you sure you didn't change anything in /etc/ssh/sshd_config on the server that you'Re trying to log in to? |
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| 19:06.12 | brotherSand | nand`: I've done it using BIND 9, but it was a while back. As I recall it was a bit of a pain in the ass. The install is not bad at all, but configuring correctly tends to be tedious. |
| 19:06.22 | nand` | brotherSand: Hmm, alright |
| 19:06.36 | nand` | brotherSand: do you know how memory intensive it is? Can I run it on a server with 256 MB of memory and 5 GB of disk space? |
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| 19:06.57 | cm13g09 | Hi guys - got a slight problem with Debian-Installer |
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| 19:07.26 | MyNameIsRetro | cm13g09: "me too!" (though probably a totally different one) *grin* |
| 19:07.29 | cm13g09 | specifically - here's the issue: I install from DVD, it works fine. If I use the netboot image, it doesn't detect any disks.... |
| 19:07.35 | Jef91 | I did not MyNameIsTetro |
| 19:07.43 | Jef91 | MyNameIsRetro* |
| 19:07.45 | tharkun | Gentlemen i have a few thousand points of data that I need to graph. Libre office is able to goble up the full set but i am unable to plot the graph. What google term should i look for. I've tried several to no use |
| 19:08.06 | MyNameIsRetro | Jef91: What'S the ssh command you're using? |
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| 19:08.17 | Jef91 | ssh username@ipaddy |
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| 19:08.49 | nkuttler | tharkun: gri is nice |
| 19:08.55 | MyNameIsRetro | Jef91: try ssh -v or ssh -vv and see if the debug output tells you why it won't log you in. |
| 19:09.39 | Jef91 | not sure exactly what it means MyNameIsRetro -> http://pastebin.com/uE83YVrv |
| 19:09.44 | Jef91 | Don't know my way around ssh too well |
| 19:09.54 | MyNameIsRetro | cm13g09: Out of curiousity, did you ever install from DVD, without a network connection present during install? |
| 19:09.58 | passstab | is there a grafical package manager thet comes with debian? |
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| 19:10.11 | Jef91 | passstab synaptic |
| 19:10.19 | tharkun | nkuttler: thanks I'll research that. |
| 19:10.22 | brotherSand | nand`: you can run it on that sure. The question is what sort of load are you going to get. If you're providing DNS for a small network that should be fine |
| 19:10.25 | jelly-home | software center |
| 19:10.27 | jelly-home | hides |
| 19:10.37 | nand` | brotherSand: strictly personal use, one user |
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| 19:11.00 | MyNameIsRetro | Jef91: Uh, you're using ubuntu? |
| 19:11.07 | cm13g09 | MyNameIsRetro: no - I haven't tried that |
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| 19:11.16 | brotherSand | nand`: no problem then |
| 19:11.20 | jhutchins_wk | I had that same ssh error on a RH NIS network last night. Came in this morning and everything worked fine. |
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| 19:11.25 | Jef91 | The machine I'm trying to connect to is running Debian MyNameIsRetro |
| 19:11.26 | passstab | what i thought |
| 19:11.35 | brotherSand | nand`: it's updating the records that is tedious |
| 19:11.38 | nand` | Come to think of it, can't I just run bind on my local machine? I'm behind a restrictive firewall and a dynamic IP |
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| 19:12.09 | jhutchins_wk | passstab: aptitude also has a menued mode if you just run it with no arguments. |
| 19:12.18 | passstab | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:12.36 | jhutchins_wk | passstab: MUCH more efficient than synaptic. Still runs in a terminal. |
| 19:12.44 | passstab | ok |
| 19:12.46 | jhutchins_wk | passstab: You could always add it to the menu. |
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| 19:13.40 | MyNameIsRetro | Jef91: Yeah, but I have no idea what the default configuration of the SSH client is on Ubuntu :) Have you checked if the three files that your client is looking for in /home/bodhi/.ssh/ actually exist? |
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| 19:14.01 | Jef91 | Ahh - I know it is not an issue with my Ubuntu system |
| 19:14.06 | Jef91 | I use SSH from this system all the time |
| 19:14.09 | Jef91 | to 3 or 4 other boxes |
| 19:14.15 | passstab | i know |
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| 19:14.26 | MyNameIsRetro | Jef91: And for these other boxes, do you use keyfile or password authentication? |
| 19:14.27 | passstab | just is strange default |
| 19:14.39 | tharkun | nkuttler: thanks but gri is overkill at this point in time. A simple libreoffice gralph should suffice. But non the less thanks for the information |
| 19:14.48 | Jef91 | No idea. |
| 19:14.54 | Jef91 | Whatever the default is MyNameIsRetro |
| 19:15.07 | Jef91 | Literally I just do "sudo apt-get install openssh-server" on a box and then it just works normally |
| 19:15.16 | MyNameIsRetro | Jef91: Do you have to type a password when logging in to these other boxes? |
| 19:15.32 | Jef91 | Yes |
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| 19:15.37 | Jef91 | The system password |
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| 19:15.53 | cm13g09 | MyNameIsRetro: should I try giving it no internet connection? |
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| 19:16.23 | MyNameIsRetro | cm13g09: It's just that this is the problem I'm having - it's refusing to finish the install without a network mirror |
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| 19:16.32 | Nollo | hello |
| 19:16.32 | cm13g09 | interesting |
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| 19:17.01 | Nollo | is it possible to know if a password has been changed for an user ? |
| 19:17.08 | Nollo | like a log |
| 19:17.21 | MyNameIsRetro | Jef91: you wrote you tried to log in as <someuser>@server, but your log file shows you attemting to log in in as root |
| 19:17.35 | Jef91 | Yea... root is a user |
| 19:17.42 | Jef91 | I ssh as root into other debian boxes |
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| 19:17.53 | MyNameIsRetro | Jef91: root is not an ordinary user, and that's what may make the difference |
| 19:17.54 | Flash_ | it's common to block root as ssh |
| 19:18.02 | Flash_ | also a very good idea |
| 19:18.29 | Jef91 | Its just a local system, not that worried about security on it |
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| 19:19.06 | Flash_ | check /etc/ssh/sshd_config and see if PermitRootLogin is on no |
| 19:19.40 | Jef91 | Checking in a moment Flash_ |
| 19:19.47 | Flash_ | but generally, it's considered bad practice, it's a stupid default in debian (imo) that sets that as yes, and even for local systems you should be training yourself to use best practices |
| 19:19.49 | MyNameIsRetro | Jef91: what Flash_ said, but it's the file on the server, not on your client |
| 19:19.59 | brotherSand | by default root is forbidden from ssh. You'd have to edit the sshd_config. |
| 19:19.59 | Jef91 | Yep yep. |
| 19:20.07 | Jef91 | I've got a terminal up on the system I want to SSH into |
| 19:20.12 | Jef91 | just don't want to be in front of it all day |
| 19:20.19 | Rienzilla | iirc rootlogin is allowed in debian by default |
| 19:20.21 | MyNameIsRetro | Flash_: at least he should be using without-password so it requires him to use a public key |
| 19:20.21 | Flash_ | brotherSand, all debian systems I've set up have that default to "Yes" = allow root login. |
| 19:20.25 | Lukemob | hello, wondering of a fast way to copy data from host to guest (Xen HVM) |
| 19:20.36 | Rienzilla | or that must have changed in squeeze |
| 19:20.45 | Flash_ | MyNameIsRetro, r, even better, but a non-guessable user + pass is more versatile if you're using multiple clients |
| 19:21.05 | brotherSand | just read the sshd_config to check. |
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| 19:21.13 | Flash_ | or you end up putting the public key somewhere you can get it, which adds its own security problems :) |
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| 19:21.27 | Flash_ | er, private key I mean |
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| 19:21.51 | Rienzilla | you can do a lot with agent forwarding |
| 19:22.24 | Rienzilla | (oh, and the permitrootlogin is not necessarily debian's default, it's openssh's default which was not changed by debian) |
| 19:22.35 | MyNameIsRetro | Flash_: I have mine on a USB key fob, and of course, it's not a passwordless key, just in in case the physical keyring it is attached to gets stolen ;) |
| 19:22.49 | kevlarman | agent forwarding requires you to trust every box in the chain |
| 19:23.02 | guardian | i want to schedule mysqldumps, where should i put the dumps according to FHS? somewhere in /var? |
| 19:23.04 | Rienzilla | kevlarman: yes, so does typing in your password :) |
| 19:23.23 | Flash_ | MyNameIsRetro, cool :) |
| 19:23.51 | kevlarman | Rienzilla: obviously everyone should use ssh -L to make their ssh chains :P |
| 19:24.03 | brotherSand | Flash_: huh, yeah I think you're right for the older versions. I think they must have changed that. Still, I'm surprised that the error he gets is for a key. |
| 19:24.12 | MyNameIsRetro | guardian: /var/backups/mysql, if I'm not mistaken |
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| 19:24.35 | alsasounda | is SS--uominen a nazi? |
| 19:24.48 | WilsonBradley | Can anyone help me remove speech_dispatch from Ubuntu? It has speakup & speakup_soft dependencies.. It's telling me; E: Unable to locate package speech_dispatcher |
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| 19:25.05 | guardian | MyNameIsRetro: sounds good, thx |
| 19:25.13 | valdyn | WilsonBradley: wrong channel |
| 19:26.43 | MyNameIsRetro | Jef91: You still with us? |
| 19:26.54 | Jef91 | Yes |
| 19:26.57 | Jef91 | Checking that file now |
| 19:27.00 | hid3 | Hello everyone. I would like to install Debian on a box with BIOS/FakeRAID. How should I boot the installer to recognise the 'fakeraid'? Should I add dmrain=true to the installer arguments or ... ? |
| 19:27.01 | Jef91 | the box was running updates |
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| 19:27.36 | Jef91 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:28.07 | Flash_ | ah, not that then :) |
| 19:28.09 | MyNameIsRetro | Jef91: Okay, and you can log into that machine locally as root, without using su or sudo from an ordinary account? |
| 19:28.28 | Jef91 | Yea - I'm logged in as root now |
| 19:28.47 | MyNameIsRetro | Jef91: try ssh root@127.0.0.1 on the server, just out of curiousity |
| 19:28.56 | brotherSand | Jef91: so you never set up a set of keys? |
| 19:29.34 | MyNameIsRetro | brotherSand: I bet he's the kind of guy that doesn't wear a helmet when using a motorbike, either ;) |
| 19:29.37 | Jef91 | ssh root@127.0.0.1 gives me the same denied key MyNameIsTetro |
| 19:29.38 | gauteh | Jef91: ssh -vvv might give you some valuable information |
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| 19:30.24 | brotherSand | Jef91: go to /root/.ssh and look for a file named "known_hosts" . See if there is anything in it. |
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| 19:31.07 | Jef91 | it has one line in it brothersand |
| 19:31.13 | brotherSand | Jef91: sorry, not known_hosts, authorized_keys |
| 19:31.23 | MyNameIsRetro | moves on |
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| 19:31.28 | Jef91 | no file called that in /root/.ssh |
| 19:31.50 | brotherSand | Right, so no key is set when trying to connect as root. |
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| 19:33.00 | foxhacker | Is this power regression problem fixed for notebooks? http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/11/linux-power-regression-overheating-problem-on-thinkpad-fixed/ |
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| 19:33.20 | brotherSand | On the machine you are coming from, in your home directory, is there a file named something like "id_rsa" under .ssh ? |
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| 19:34.19 | Jef91 | No there is not brothersand |
| 19:34.47 | Jef91 | haha got it |
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| 19:34.55 | Jef91 | I just purged all ssh configuration files on the server |
| 19:34.59 | Jef91 | and reinstall openssh-server |
| 19:35.06 | Jef91 | something must have gotten messed up at some point |
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| 19:36.24 | brotherSand | Jef91: on the target system, read the /etc/ssh/sshd_config and look for a line that has "PermitRootLogin". What comes after that? |
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| 19:38.50 | epicfail | someone know a good site to download gonme themes? |
| 19:39.30 | Jef91 | thanks all |
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| 19:41.15 | kapzp | cyesc |
| 19:41.49 | brotherSand | oh man, I just realized his issue is not a key authentication issue. He's got the wrong key in known_hosts. |
| 19:41.59 | brotherSand | different sort of key |
| 19:42.00 | brotherSand | ah well |
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| 19:43.43 | lapsusbrutus | how do I install oracle java these days? not that I want to, but I need to. |
| 19:43.46 | Pinchiukas | Where should I put my virtual hosts for apache? Or rathat where does the Debian philosophy imply I will want to put them? |
| 19:44.08 | nemysis | hehe dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc and install grub to /dev/sda3 this is /boot and now works Debian GNU/L inux this is great thank all |
| 19:44.22 | nemysis | with grub2 to /boot |
| 19:44.22 | rozie | lapsusbrutus: java-package |
| 19:44.57 | rozie | it makes nice .deb from binary |
| 19:45.06 | passstab | can i get the latest firefox in stable? |
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| 19:45.11 | lapsusbrutus | rozie: ohh ok, thanks, was sure that was openjdk |
| 19:45.31 | rozie | passstab: mozilla.debian.net |
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| 19:45.36 | streuner_ | passstab: iceweasel via mozilla.debian.net |
| 19:45.52 | thewanderer1 | Pinchiukas, I use /srv/www/$hostname , FHS says I won't be damned for it |
| 19:46.17 | brotherSand | passstab: the stable apt repository has iceweasel, not the most recent firefox. |
| 19:46.36 | passstab | thanks |
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| 19:47.35 | brotherSand | I just download the most current firefox from their website and symlink the command "ff" to that one. You can have both installed. |
| 19:48.28 | lapsusbrutus | why did java become more complicated to install?? I was quite happy with: aptitude install sun-java6-jre sun-java6-plugin |
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| 19:48.44 | Pinchiukas | thewanderer1: :) |
| 19:48.46 | streuner_ | lapsusbrutus: ask oracle |
| 19:48.56 | Iridos | thewanderer1, but you never know if you followed the correct god |
| 19:48.59 | Pinchiukas | Any other ideas? The www-data homedir is /var/www. |
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| 19:49.11 | thewanderer1 | Iridos, my only alignment is 4K |
| 19:50.06 | streuner_ | lapsusbrutus: its not complicated, IMO, but you need to download that from the website in order to get the latest stuff, IMO |
| 19:50.50 | lapsusbrutus | streuner_: browsing the web for binaries is for windows users :p |
| 19:50.51 | ksuhku | lapsusbrutus, because oracle is a collection of rectums? |
| 19:51.05 | lapsusbrutus | ksuhku: I can agree on that |
| 19:51.12 | lapsusbrutus | I hope they die |
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| 19:54.25 | bdfoster | hello, for some reason the network drivers didnt install using netinstall. i have two cards, a broadcom bcm5752 and an intel 82541pi. how do i get these installed? |
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| 19:55.58 | ksuhku | bdfoster, the likely reason is those cards require proprietary software |
| 19:56.10 | jelly-home | bdfoster: huh, which Debian release did you install? |
| 19:56.15 | bdfoster | squeeze |
| 19:56.30 | bdfoster | it's worked before on this machine, with squeeze |
| 19:56.35 | jelly-home | bdfoster: bcm5752 sounds like tg3, and that one ought to work out of the box |
| 19:56.44 | bdfoster | yea should be tg3 |
| 19:56.49 | jelly-home | bdfoster: on this exact hardware? |
| 19:56.54 | bdfoster | yep |
| 19:56.59 | bdfoster | dell precision 490 |
| 19:57.04 | bdfoster | the only one i have |
| 19:57.09 | brotherSand | bdfoster: wireless card ? |
| 19:57.17 | bdfoster | nope, both wired |
| 19:57.21 | jelly-home | bdfoster: mmm. does lsmod list tg3 as loaded? |
| 19:57.44 | bdfoster | hang on ill check |
| 19:57.54 | jelly-home | bdfoster: and does ifconfig -a show any eth* device? |
| 19:58.12 | brotherSand | bdfoster: yeah, I think I just went through this. There's a package under the non-free repo I think. (trying to remember) |
| 19:58.54 | bdfoster | ifconfig shows loopback, dunno with the -a switch |
| 19:59.12 | brotherSand | yeah, the module is not loaded for the device |
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| 20:00.12 | bdfoster | tg3 95865 0 |
| 20:00.24 | bdfoster | ^^ jelly-home |
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| 20:01.10 | jelly-home | bdfoster: what about that ifconfig -a, eh |
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| 20:01.30 | bdfoster | eth0: error fetching interface information: Device not found |
| 20:01.40 | jelly-home | squints |
| 20:01.41 | sakal | hi, how can I use telepathy-gabble in debian? |
| 20:02.03 | sakal | I install package telepathy-gabble but what next? |
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| 20:02.46 | bdfoster | sakal: best to go to them... http://telepathy.freedesktop.org/wiki/ |
| 20:02.49 | jelly-home | ,file /tg3.bin |
| 20:02.52 | judd | No packages in squeeze/i386 were found with that file. |
| 20:02.58 | jelly-home | ,file tg3.bin |
| 20:03.01 | judd | Search for tg3.bin in squeeze/i386: firmware-linux-nonfree: lib/firmware/tigon/tg3.bin |
| 20:03.19 | sakal | bdfoster, so, they say launch from ./src/ but I install from deb |
| 20:03.30 | jelly-home | bdfoster: install firmware-linux-nonfree, and reboot (or rmmod tg3 and modprobe it again), see if that helps |
| 20:04.05 | ekix_ | hi. is there a way to build an initramfs in the same way like the debian installer does (generic/targeted) on a running system? |
| 20:04.08 | bdfoster | jelly-home: so, that brings me to another question, how exactly do i do that? |
| 20:04.13 | bdfoster | ive got a usb flash drive |
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| 20:04.40 | bdfoster | (sorry for the ignorance, im more of an application developer not a hardware guy) |
| 20:04.43 | brotherSand | hmm, yeah tg3 should be right |
| 20:04.46 | jelly-home | bdfoster: download and put the .deb file on the stick, then mount the stick on the Debian machine and install using dpkg -i |
| 20:05.02 | bdfoster | gotcha, hang on ill do that |
| 20:05.07 | jelly-home | bdfoster: http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/all/firmware-linux-nonfree/download |
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| 20:05.38 | jelly-home | the intel one sounds like e1000 or e1000e |
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| 20:07.38 | Nik05 | hey guys |
| 20:07.54 | Nik05 | Im making a small clean mail server |
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| 20:08.08 | Nik05 | But what should i put in /etc/hosts |
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| 20:08.28 | Nik05 | cause the server name is tartarus :P |
| 20:08.41 | thewanderer1 | hmm, is network-manager broken w.r.t. wired DHCP in Sid? I'm seeing it request DHCP, get an address, then for some reason drop it, and go at it again O.o |
| 20:08.44 | Nik05 | and i got a domain something.org |
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| 20:09.06 | Nik05 | should i put 127.0.1.1 tartarus.something.org in or just something.org? |
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| 20:09.26 | floh` | hi |
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| 20:10.04 | floh` | i.want to encrypt my already existing debian squeeze system. |
| 20:10.11 | brotherSand | Nik05: the former. <IP addr> <name> |
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| 20:10.16 | floh` | how should i do this? |
| 20:10.30 | jelly-home | thewanderer1: #debian-next is on the network right over --> |
| 20:10.44 | floh` | i already have /boot and / on separate partitions. |
| 20:11.00 | thewanderer1 | oh, I thought half of you were Sid users all along |
| 20:11.03 | brotherSand | floh`: you want to encrypt the whole drive? A subset of partitions? |
| 20:11.04 | Nik05 | so like tartarus.somthing.org brotherSand ? Isnt that going to fail? Cause mail needs to go to something.org and not tartarus.something.org |
| 20:11.16 | jelly-home | thewanderer1: and we'll keep quiet about it, in here |
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| 20:11.38 | floh` | brotherSand: everything (eycept /boot) |
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| 20:12.20 | brotherSand | Nik05: Well if your machine's name is tartarus you would do something like this: 127.0.1.1 tartarus.something.org |
| 20:12.34 | brotherSand | don't put the whole domain of something.org there |
| 20:12.34 | Nik05 | ok |
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| 20:13.30 | floh` | i think the only problem i.might have is that the initrd doesnt find /... can a defaulg initrd from debian already use crypted volumes? |
| 20:14.04 | karamorf | I'm trying to figure out how to make a deb for python2.7 to use with Lenny and I can't really find a starting point. Should I just recreate all the debian/* files? I just feel like these should exist somewhere. |
| 20:14.10 | brotherSand | floh`: may I suggest you don't encrypt the whole drive. You'd be better off having a 10 or 20 GB encrypted block rather than the whole partion. If you don't properly load the encryption software at boot time you'll have a very hard time ever getting back in to your machine. |
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| 20:14.59 | jhutchins_wk | floh`: Ever. |
| 20:15.06 | brotherSand | besides, an encrypted drive stands out. Won't protect you from law enforcement |
| 20:15.14 | floh` | jhutchins_wk: ? |
| 20:15.36 | floh` | brotherSand: it will in germany. and this isn't my main reason |
| 20:16.02 | p3rror | hello |
| 20:16.16 | Nik05 | and brotherSand another question, my server is on IP 192.168.1.10 |
| 20:16.27 | jhutchins_wk | floh`: We see people who have had a problem with loading the encryption software - like initramfs didn't get updated during an upgrade or somethign - and it can be very difficult for them to ever access the data. |
| 20:16.29 | Nik05 | what should i put behind 192.168.1.10 in /etc/hosts? |
| 20:16.33 | p3rror | any idea on infrastructure audit cost for small entreprise ? |
| 20:16.53 | jhutchins_wk | floh`: Another thing is USB keyboards that aren't seen by the system when it prompts for the volume password at boot. |
| 20:16.55 | fahi | Nik05: take a look at "man hosts" |
| 20:17.01 | brotherSand | No, it wouldn't. You would be ordered to hand over the keys for decrypting it. Failure to do so is obstruction of justice, and you would go to prison for interfering with an investigation. At least, that's how it works in USA. I doubt Germany is more lenient about this. |
| 20:17.03 | floh` | jhutchins_wk: uhm really? with luks, it should be as easy as boot a livr sys, enter the password and chroot |
| 20:17.14 | Nik05 | ok thanks fahi |
| 20:17.20 | floh` | no usb keyboards |
| 20:17.31 | brotherSand | encryption works best with plausible deniability |
| 20:18.02 | fahi | brotherSand: they can not order you to do that in germany. it works this way in the uk though. but I guess for most people it's more likely to lose the laptop in which case you want your data secure |
| 20:18.11 | dondelelcaro | who cares? it's not on topic here. |
| 20:18.56 | floh` | and in germany you cannot be forced to help them get YOU. (i might be forced if they want to get someony whos not me or my family) |
| 20:19.20 | floh` | yep, offtopic. please tell me how to encrypt my existibg system |
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| 20:19.45 | floh` | or at least what to watch out for... |
| 20:19.55 | brotherSand | the point is you're better off with a big file you encrypt and save stuff to rather than the entire drive. Like jhutchins_wk points out the odds of getting locked out of your own system are real when you do the entire drive. Which is why I've never done it. So I don't know the answer. |
| 20:20.54 | floh` | graaah please stop telling me not to.do it. i will be able to recover my system. encryption isn't that flaky with Luks any more |
| 20:21.32 | fahi | floh`: well, the easiest solution would be to reinstall debian and enable encryption using the installer and then just move your home directory over. |
| 20:22.48 | floh` | fahi hrm, i'd prefer not to do that. i made some changes to the system whicj would be some work to re-do |
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| 20:24.39 | brotherSand | I'm really not sure how you would encrypt a system that is already built. |
| 20:24.41 | fahi | floh`: I think you should first do a full backup (using dd or something). Then you probably have to boot some live cd, put your required modules (dm-crypt, dm-mod,...) into /etc/initramfs-tools/modules, then reformat your disks with luksFormat, change your root device to mapper/root and then adjust your inittab |
| 20:25.06 | fahi | of course, you have to rebuild your initramfs somewhere in the process |
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| 20:25.57 | floh` | i assume my largest problem.will be to find out which /dev/mapper to.use |
| 20:26.06 | floh` | i want an LVM inside the luks |
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| 20:26.56 | fahi | floh`: the easiest solution would be to encrypt only /home for now (I disadvise file-based encryption containers, so you'd have to shrink your /) |
| 20:27.05 | bdfoster | jelly-home: ugh, i can't even get the usb stick to mount lol |
| 20:27.38 | brotherSand | this might not be a path you want to take, but how about virtualizing the system? Run it as a virtual machine inside something like VirtualBox and encrypt the partition where you keep the vdi images. |
| 20:27.51 | jelly-home | bdfoster: mount -t vfat /dev/sdh1 (or whatever) /mnt |
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| 20:28.16 | jelly-home | bdfoster: after you've plugged it in, inspect dmesg output to see what /dev/sd* it appeared as |
| 20:28.23 | floh` | meh all these are workarounds. |
| 20:28.31 | brotherSand | yep |
| 20:28.34 | bdfoster | yea it's sdc |
| 20:28.34 | floh` | is there no.actual solution for.my prpblem? |
| 20:28.35 | Iridos | nope |
| 20:28.45 | Iridos | installing anew and choosing an encrypted fs is not |
| 20:28.54 | jhutchins_wk | floh`: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/html_single/Disk-Encryption-HOWTO/ |
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| 20:29.15 | brotherSand | there is, it's just that nobody here does what you're attempting. |
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| 20:29.26 | jhutchins_wk | floh`: Because we think it's a bad idea, we've never learned how to do it. |
| 20:29.28 | fahi | floh`: encrypting only /home is no workaround in my opinion. people rarely store private stuff in / (unless it's a server where /var is relevant). however, then people could tamper with your files in / if they have physical access. |
| 20:29.43 | floh` | tmp |
| 20:30.03 | floh` | and tampering protextion is good and doesnt harm |
| 20:30.15 | fahi | floh`: I usually keep /tmp in a ramdisk anyway |
| 20:30.16 | brotherSand | symlink /tmp to the encrypted partition |
| 20:30.27 | floh` | so actually i want the whole system. i'm a bit paranoid, you have to know |
| 20:30.50 | fahi | floh`: then you have to bood some livecd and manuall redo what the installer would do |
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| 20:31.36 | floh` | fahi exactly :) and what does the installrr do? |
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| 20:32.17 | brotherSand | I'm paranoid too, that's why I wouldn't encrypt the whole system. It's a red flag. It says "secrets kept here". But I'll stop telling you not to do it. |
| 20:32.23 | fahi | floh`: I can only tell you what I observed on my box... does the luks+lvm setup, writes the crypttab and modifies your grub.fg |
| 20:33.00 | fahi | brotherSand: That's really not what it says, but that's off topic anyway |
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| 20:33.57 | brotherSand | still, if you use VMWare's tool, free download, you can make a virtual image of a physical machine. Then copy it over to an encrypted partition and run it as a virtual machine. The host becomes just a shell you go through. |
| 20:34.04 | ratatata | nu |
| 20:34.11 | brotherSand | but yes, a workaround |
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| 20:35.17 | floh` | let me specify my problem more clearly: i want to encrypt an existing debian, without irtualizing, without encrypting just parts, without file containers |
| 20:35.32 | jhutchins_wk | floh`: Did you go to the link above? |
| 20:35.45 | floh` | previously: lvm contains /. afterwards: luks contains lvm contains / |
| 20:35.57 | floh` | jhutchins_wk: yeah, reading. thanks :) |
| 20:36.16 | jhutchins_wk | floh`: We're not trying to give you a hard time, we just don't have the answer you want. |
| 20:36.17 | TheRedOctober | Hi all. I have a problem with a libvirt virtual network. Using a nat type virtual network, hostA cannot reach hostB. if I run arp-scan on hostA, hostA will then connect to hostB. Is anyone aware of an issue with arp on virtual nets? |
| 20:36.54 | brotherSand | floh`: perhaps you should pose the question in #truecrypt . You might get better answers there. |
| 20:36.54 | jhutchins_wk | I think one of the problems is that the usual installer process zeros all the blocks on the drive first so you can't do forensice-by-data-location. |
| 20:36.57 | fahi | floh`: you can do it either way. you can put your lvm in your luks container or vice versa |
| 20:37.11 | fahi | brotherSand: he doesn't even want to use truecrypt |
| 20:37.17 | floh` | jhutchins_wk: this applies to you and fahi |
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| 20:37.19 | jhutchins_wk | Didn't realize truecrypt was an OS solution. |
| 20:38.01 | brotherSand | not an OS, but I've seen truecrypt encrypted partitions. fahi, why not truecrypt? |
| 20:38.21 | floh` | truecrypt uses flaky fuse stuff, luks not |
| 20:38.21 | fahi | brotherSand: because using LUKS is much easier, debian supports it by default |
| 20:38.33 | epicfail | okey guys this "Report a bug" tool is costing me my balls! When you set the high contrast theme of gnome the Debian help is unreadable (dark blue on black background). Someone more skilled plz report |
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| 20:38.56 | fahi | jhutchins_wk, floh`: that guide seems to be pretty dated, it's even still using loop-AES |
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| 20:39.28 | brotherSand | hmmm. Haven't used LUKS. |
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| 20:39.59 | floh` | brotherSand: sorry but this disqualifies you. |
| 20:40.24 | fahi | floh`: there are lots of site who discuss using luks on existings installs, have a look at: http://ada.adrianlang.de/existing-debian-luks |
| 20:41.58 | brotherSand | I didn't realize you were the channel Op floh` . Anyway, I already said I don't know how to solve your issue. |
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| 20:43.02 | floh` | fahi this looks interesting, i'll read that. thanks :) |
| 20:43.41 | fahi | floh`: make sure to load aesni_intel/amd if you have a recent machine :) |
| 20:44.04 | brotherSand | LUKS is listed as on-topic in the #lvm channel too. |
| 20:44.07 | floh` | define "recent". i have a thinkpad x31 |
| 20:44.14 | epicfail | okey guys this "Report a bug" tool is costing me my balls! When you set the high contrast theme of gnome the Debian help is unreadable (dark blue on black background). Someone more skilled plz report |
| 20:44.23 | epicfail | someone does plz |
| 20:44.36 | floh` | brotherSand: now that was helpful, thanks. will ask there too. |
| 20:44.38 | fahi | floh`: mh, that seems to be not recent enough :) |
| 20:44.54 | jelly-home | epicfail: don't set high contrast, then? |
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| 20:45.34 | epicfail | jelly-home, or i look for help in the enternet but someone should report the bug |
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| 20:46.00 | floh` | fahi: pity ;). but encryption won't cause too much cpu usage with a slow.laptop hd anyway right? |
| 20:47.05 | fahi | floh`: mmh, good question, but I think you should be fine with your laptop |
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| 20:47.33 | fahi | floh`: it won't render it unusable, but it's probably not the best choice for a gaming rig :) |
| 20:47.34 | epicfail | go! report! get useful nerds! |
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| 20:48.45 | fahi | brotherSand: he's not the "channel op", but even if he were, he should be treated no differently |
| 20:48.52 | brotherSand | epicfail: this is not a helpdesk. |
| 20:49.36 | epicfail | you get cake then =) |
| 20:49.57 | floh` | the cake is a lie. |
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| 20:50.48 | jhutchins_wk | epicfail: echo set background=dark >> .vimrc |
| 20:51.28 | lapsusbrutus | or :colorscheme whatever :) if in vim |
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| 20:51.45 | lapsusbrutus | vim <3 |
| 20:52.13 | jhutchins_wk | lscolor is a lot harder to fix. |
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| 20:53.05 | fahi | I'm into vim too... however, I find myself attracted to emacs with viper-mode :) |
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| 20:54.08 | jhutchins_wk | floh`: Unfortunately a lot of the tldp stuff is ancient and mostly redhat oriented. |
| 20:54.40 | thewanderer1 | well, we have the Debian Wiki |
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| 20:55.06 | ksuhku | which could also use some lovin' |
| 20:55.23 | fahi | true, I find myself using the arch wiki more often |
| 20:56.00 | ksuhku | gentoo has also a pretty decent wiki effort |
| 20:56.27 | fahi | ksuhku: I was using that before the whole site crashed, haven't used it since |
| 20:56.51 | ksuhku | oh, haven't checked it lately... too bad! |
| 20:56.51 | jhutchins_wk | floh`: http://www.hermann-uwe.de/blog/howto-disk-encryption-with-dm-crypt-luks-and-debian <- better, but assumes blanking the volume. |
| 20:57.17 | fahi | ksuhku: I mean the wiki was down for a couple of months ~2years ago and I think they lost some content |
| 20:57.22 | floh` | is there a way to manually create my initrd without having it overridden on every kernel update? |
| 20:57.46 | brotherSand | cheers all. Duty calls. |
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| 20:57.50 | valdyn | floh`: a preexisting initrd is useless after a kernel update |
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| 20:58.02 | fahi | floh`: probably, but initrd integration is tightly integrated into the kernel update process |
| 20:58.20 | fahi | floh`: is there something special you need? |
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| 20:59.30 | floh` | fahi no, but its easier to write a script which mounts / than telling mkinitrs to do so ;) |
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| 21:01.01 | glick | hey does anyone know what i am missing in my samba setup that causes it to give me the error "session setup failed: NT_STATUS_LOGON_FAILURE" everytime i do smbclient -L <nameof_windowsmachine> -U <username_on_windowsmachine> |
| 21:01.25 | jelly-home | glick: incorrect or missing domain or password? |
| 21:01.33 | fahi | floh`: I don't quite get what are are trying to do, but update-initramfs -u usually does everything automatically |
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| 21:02.29 | jelly-home | floh`: even if there is, that's going against the best practices and established code flow |
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| 21:03.09 | valdyn | glick: is there a password? |
| 21:03.34 | glick | yes valdyn |
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| 21:03.42 | glick | valdyn: and im 100% sure its right |
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| 21:03.51 | glick | i dont specifiy a domain |
| 21:04.02 | glick | since the pc is pingable just using its simple name |
| 21:04.22 | valdyn | glick: try using the ip instead |
| 21:04.33 | stack | hello, I have to pin a set of packages, I found out that is not possible to use wildcards in the Package: section, nor I'm able to specify multiple packages separated by spaces , what is the relevant man page for this or the correct way to pin a group of packages, in this case php* ? |
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| 21:04.56 | stack | sorry, maybe I reposted a question due to connection problems |
| 21:04.57 | jelly-home | glick: domain or workgroup name isn't relevant to resolve the host name, but to complete the authentication set |
| 21:05.20 | glick | jelly-home: so do i just specity it like so mycomp.domain.com ? |
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| 21:05.34 | jelly-home | glick: is your machine part of an AD or windows 2000 domain? |
| 21:05.34 | jhutchins_wk | !pinning |
| 21:05.35 | dpkg | Pinning is a method to choose which version of a package to install when multiple versions are available from <sources.list>. Bugs are explained at http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/debian.html#errata . If you use stable, pinning won't help you from messing up the system, ask me about <backports> instead. http://wiki.debian.org/AptPreferences |
| 21:05.45 | fahi | stack: apt_preferences I believe |
| 21:05.54 | jelly-home | glick: no, it's a completely different thing, not related to DNS. |
| 21:05.56 | glick | jelly-home: i think its a windows 2k domain, but im not sure |
| 21:06.07 | stack | fahi: I'll search there, thanks |
| 21:06.14 | jelly-home | glick: and are you using a local user or a domain user to log in? |
| 21:06.41 | lapsusbrutus | anyone knows if copy and paste ctrl+shift+c and v can be made to work in rxvt terminal? |
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| 21:06.50 | donotor | Good Evening, I have a 64-bit Debian system installed and am going to run a Live Windows (reatogo, similar to BartPE) in order to install a modified BIOS version. Will it have any negative effect on the 64-bit Debian OS when I install a BIOS upgrade with the 32-bit version of WinPhlash? |
| 21:06.53 | glick | jelly-home: a domain user |
| 21:07.01 | lapsusbrutus | Id love to have two different ways of copying :) |
| 21:07.14 | valdyn | donotor: thats not going to install a new bios |
| 21:07.32 | valdyn | donotor: oh, sorry, I misunderstood |
| 21:07.36 | donotor | valdyn: ?? why shouldn't it |
| 21:07.36 | lapsusbrutus | donotor: freedos got livecd I think |
| 21:07.36 | jelly-home | glick: then tell smbclient what your domain is, either with -W, or use 'DOMAIN\user' for the username |
| 21:07.56 | glick | ahhhh |
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| 21:08.05 | valdyn | donotor: usually, after you install a new bios you might have to reedit whatever bios adjustments you made and still need or want to have |
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| 21:08.13 | valdyn | donotor: thats all |
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| 21:08.33 | donotor | valdyn: so that shouldn't be any problem, should it? |
| 21:08.43 | valdyn | donotor: ( usually ), theres may be alot more to consider in exotic situations |
| 21:08.50 | valdyn | donotor: not usually |
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| 21:09.18 | donotor | I mean, could it in some way restrict the 64-bit capabilities when I upgrade the BIOS with a 32-bit version of WinPhlash? |
| 21:09.18 | valdyn | ( for instance, having more harddisks than the bios supports can have annoying effects ) |
| 21:09.33 | valdyn | donotor: no |
| 21:09.49 | valdyn | donotor: the bios is 16-bit, no matter what |
| 21:09.52 | donotor | valdyn: thanks :) |
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| 21:10.34 | donotor | valdyn: Finally, I will be able to run an Atheros wifi card =D |
| 21:10.52 | fahi | donotor: good luck with your flashing process :) |
| 21:11.15 | donotor | fahi: thanks |
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| 21:11.58 | laptunovic | Hi Debian team |
| 21:12.46 | laptunovic | I go report a bug on Debian whezzy with Lxde, is the aplication gpicview |
| 21:13.07 | glick | thanks jelly-home |
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| 21:13.17 | glick | guess those quote marks are important |
| 21:13.44 | laptunovic | He does not let down the image below, when it leaves the original size |
| 21:14.23 | valdyn | laptunovic: we can hardly understand you ( At least i cant understand this english ) |
| 21:14.29 | nkuttler | !tell laptunovic about reportbug |
| 21:14.59 | laptunovic | Sorry i use google translator |
| 21:15.25 | laptunovic | Gpicview know the application? |
| 21:15.41 | laptunovic | The version on Debian Whezzy |
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| 21:15.49 | ksuhku | !de |
| 21:15.49 | dpkg | Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de). |
| 21:15.58 | fahi | google translator translates "wheezy" as "whezzy"? :) |
| 21:16.00 | jhutchins_wk | laptunovic: This is not a place to report bugs, it is a group of users helping each other. |
| 21:16.05 | jhutchins_wk | !it |
| 21:16.05 | dpkg | Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help. |
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| 21:19.06 | laptunovic | It is possible to report bugs, writing in Portuguese? |
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| 21:20.43 | ksuhku | laptunovic, sure is |
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| 21:20.49 | mari-o | does any budy knows how to activate the pinmux in arm |
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| 21:21.05 | laptunovic | in this page? http://www.debian.org/Bugs/ |
| 21:21.09 | fahi | laptunovic: you could try #debian-br too |
| 21:21.34 | ksuhku | !pt |
| 21:21.35 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt ) |
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| 21:22.26 | ksuhku | !tell laptunovic about reportbug |
| 21:22.50 | laptunovic | How to show icon chromium on taskbar? |
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| 21:24.36 | jhutchins_wk | !tell laptunovic about pt |
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| 21:25.05 | jhutchins_wk | Oops. |
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| 21:25.59 | mari-o | does any budy knows how to activate the pinmux in arm? |
| 21:26.05 | laptunovic | see it http://chromium.googlecode.com/issues/attachment?aid=1083690000000&name=Screenshot-1.png&token=cGGr-_omXz8lpiR5xGtd-aqWIg4%3A1331846739342&inline=1 undertand? |
| 21:26.29 | laptunovic | anyone have problem this? |
| 21:27.18 | mari-o | does any budy knows how to activate the pinmux in arm? |
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| 21:28.29 | laptunovic | anyone use chromium on debian? |
| 21:29.04 | Mike1 | hi folks! Why do I get a “NETLINK: Packet too small or truncated! 40!=16!=1004” from ifmetric? Looks like there was a bug some time ago, but shouldn’t it be fixed by now? |
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| 21:31.20 | jefimenko | i'm trying to write a deb using this guide: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/ |
| 21:31.30 | jefimenko | i can't find where to install a system user for a pkg |
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| 21:32.24 | daemonkeeper | jefimenko: #debian-mentors on OFTC. Regarding your question, you're looking for maintainer scripts and adduser. |
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| 21:34.17 | lapsusbrutus | Im building a system up from scratch with no bloat at all, gnome kde or anything like that.. just X, awesomewm, rxvt. ehh and alsa.. just installed alsa, connected the speakers, and no sound. What could I have missed. alsamixer finds card, turned volume up and unmuted. |
| 21:34.31 | jefimenko | daemonkeeper: thanks |
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| 21:35.47 | donotor | !tell lapsusbrutus about alsa checklist |
| 21:36.01 | lapsusbrutus | ahh thanks donotor, Ill check that |
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| 21:36.34 | Mike1 | oh, looks like ifmetric is still not fixed |
| 21:36.47 | Mike1 | applyed the patch manually and now it works :) |
| 21:37.32 | mari-o | does any budy knows how to activate the pinmux in arm? |
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| 21:38.51 | Iridos | jefimenko, I guess sshd should do it well... that is in /var/lib/dpkg/info/openssh-server.postinst the guide seems to only have a generic section on maintainer scripts |
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| 21:41.45 | boudiccas | mari-o; what does 'any budy' mean please? |
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| 21:42.50 | jelly-home | boudiccas: this is not ##English, be kind to our second-language users |
| 21:42.54 | boudiccas | mari-o; if you mean 'anybody' then why not say it properly? |
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| 21:45.15 | ksuhku | bou, cut it |
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| 21:45.50 | ekix | boudiccas, don't be an asshole? ;-) |
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| 22:02.59 | jelly-home | !arm |
| 22:02.59 | dpkg | Advanced RISC Machine (ARM) is a processor architecture. The Debian arm port was deprecated at Debian 5.0 with official support dropped at Debian 6.0, ask me about <armel> for the replacement port. See also <armhf>. http://www.debian.org/ports/arm/ For help with Debian on ARM systems, join #debian-arm on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 22:03.21 | jelly-home | mari-o: ^^ try asking there. Note: different IRC network, irc.oftc.net. |
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| 22:11.48 | Sicp | I'm trying to setup mysql on debian |
| 22:11.55 | Sicp | I got mysql-server-5.1 and mysql-client |
| 22:12.01 | Sicp | whatever I try to do, I get access denied for user root |
| 22:12.24 | gnarface | Sicp: you should have been prompted for a root password when you installed mysql-server |
| 22:12.38 | Sicp | I wasn't and I know I should have been, I've done this before |
| 22:12.45 | jelly-home | !ifmrp |
| 22:12.45 | dpkg | If you've forgotten the <MySQL> root password, /etc/init.d/mysql stop; mysqld --skip-grant-tables; mysql -u root; use mysql; UPDATE user SET Password=PASSWORD('mynewpassword') WHERE User='root'; FLUSH PRIVILEGES; C-d; stop mysqld; /etc/init.d/mysql start See also http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/resetting-permissions.html , <mysql initial password>. |
| 22:12.46 | Sicp | it opens a pseudo-gui thing and does that |
| 22:13.00 | Sicp | this is fresh though |
| 22:13.08 | Sicp | forgotten password steps can still be applied? |
| 22:13.17 | gnarface | sure why not? |
| 22:13.39 | jelly-home | Sicp: you can also try and ask it about that other thing: /msg dpkg mysql initial password |
| 22:14.40 | Sicp | I get failed access for that command |
| 22:14.45 | Sicp | which I also tried to do but with -h added to it |
| 22:14.51 | gnarface | although i usually just cheat and log in with the debian-sys-maint user to reset the root pass |
| 22:14.51 | Sicp | one moment to try the forgotten password |
| 22:15.14 | Sicp | usually? so it's common that while fetching the package you are not prompted for a root password? |
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| 22:15.49 | gnarface | Sicp: i remember it happening recently. probably a minor bug in what debconf threshold the question gets asked at |
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| 22:17.03 | gnarface | Sicp: don't forget that you need -p on your command line but you must WAIT for the password prompt (it doesn't work if you put it on the command line, and i don't know why people think it does or ever did but its THE MOST common user error related fail to authenticate against an otherwise working mysql server) |
| 22:17.43 | Sicp | of course it works if you go '... -pPASSWORDHERE' |
| 22:17.47 | gnarface | nope |
| 22:17.52 | Sicp | but I've done it so many times.. |
| 22:17.54 | gnarface | try it like i said |
| 22:17.55 | Sicp | works both ways |
| 22:17.57 | gnarface | you must have dreamed it |
| 22:18.04 | gnarface | happens to me all the time |
| 22:18.39 | Iridos | you dream that all the time? |
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| 22:19.31 | gnarface | Iridos: i dream all kinds of stuff that didn't actually happen. don't you? |
| 22:19.31 | tremon | gnarface: man mysql states '--password[=password], -p[password]' |
| 22:19.33 | Sicp | see, http://dl.dropbox.com/u/19390574/2012-03-16-001816_1366x768_scrot.png |
| 22:20.12 | gnarface | hmm. i must be thinking of mysqldump |
| 22:20.45 | gnarface | or maybe its actually broken on squeeze... |
| 22:20.50 | gnarface | OH |
| 22:20.52 | gnarface | i remember now |
| 22:20.53 | tremon | although there are many reasons not to use that, of course |
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| 22:21.10 | gnarface | no its the ~/.my.cnf - it interferes with -p[password] for some reason if you also have one in your ~/.my.cnf |
| 22:21.26 | gnarface | Sicp: do you happen to have an old ~/.my.cnf ? |
| 22:21.28 | Sicp | what you said above worked until I had to C-d |
| 22:21.35 | Sicp | I cannot C-d out of it |
| 22:21.43 | gnarface | stuck shift key? |
| 22:21.47 | Sicp | no |
| 22:21.50 | Sicp | it just..doesn |
| 22:21.52 | Sicp | +'t respond |
| 22:21.56 | gnarface | ctrl-q |
| 22:22.03 | Sicp | nothing |
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| 22:22.14 | gnarface | local or remote ? |
| 22:22.14 | tremon | ;\q? |
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| 22:22.18 | Sicp | remot |
| 22:22.18 | Sicp | +e |
| 22:22.28 | gnarface | can you open a second ssh terminal to it? |
| 22:22.32 | Sicp | sure |
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| 22:23.05 | Sicp | ok im there |
| 22:23.08 | Sicp | do I just kill it? |
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| 22:23.19 | gnarface | i was theorizing that maybe it was just a network latency issue |
| 22:23.36 | gnarface | but yea if the first terminal is still frozen and you can't ctrl-q to unfreeze it i don't see you have much choice but to kill it |
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| 22:25.05 | Sicp | eh, I'm just going to reinstall |
| 22:25.16 | gnarface | Sicp: i assume you know ctrl-s locks the terminal so it would appear frozen until you ctrl-q, right? i don't even know if that actually works in a mysql prompt but worth verifying |
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| 22:25.27 | Sicp | yes I know that |
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| 22:28.58 | Sicp | kill `cat /mysql-data-directory/host_name.pid` <-- in the website's instructions |
| 22:29.08 | Sicp | can easily be replaced with kill `pidof mysqld` |
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| 22:30.49 | guk | hmm |
| 22:31.24 | tremon | Sicp: only if you have just one instance of mysqld running |
| 22:31.57 | Sicp | oh |
| 22:31.59 | Sicp | true |
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| 22:32.12 | Sicp | well I did what the link said.. |
| 22:32.18 | Sicp | and i get "starting ..." |
| 22:32.30 | Sicp | then Mysql_safe from pid file etc.... |
| 22:32.34 | Sicp | ended |
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| 22:34.34 | Sicp | and now this, ERROR 2002 (HY000): Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (111) |
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| 22:34.44 | Sicp | should I delete "skip-networking" in my.cnf? |
| 22:34.49 | Sicp | I mean, comment it out/ |
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| 22:35.26 | Sicp | ah, there's no such thing to begin with, anymore |
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| 22:37.41 | Sicp | im going to make this work if it means the end of me!! |
| 22:37.57 | Sicp | I must get it to work to see if my android app can connect to that server's database through the terminal |
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| 22:45.42 | Iridos | oh, the drama! The suspense! |
| 22:45.50 | Iridos | Can't stand it any longer |
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| 22:49.12 | Sicp | the instructions for lost root password don't make any ses |
| 22:49.14 | Sicp | sense* |
| 22:49.45 | Sicp | there is no such service as mysqld, and mysql was stopped before I went into the --skip-grant-tables, how can it instruct to stop it after exiting |
| 22:49.56 | Sicp | exiting which doesn't really exit |
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| 22:53.26 | Sicp | fail. |
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| 22:54.10 | jelly-home | Sicp: the service is called mysql. The excutable, present in root's PATH, notably in /usr/sbin, is "mysqld" |
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| 22:54.46 | Sicp | still the instructions do not take any effect |
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| 22:55.19 | jelly-home | you start the daemon manually, then connect to it manually as well |
| 22:55.39 | jelly-home | Sicp: at which point do you see them failing? |
| 22:55.47 | jelly-home | how exactly? |
| 22:57.26 | jelly-home | the instructions are terse because of the limited space for the factoid, 250 characters or so |
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| 22:58.25 | jelly-home | Sicp: so "stop mysqld" is descriptive, and you can do it by just killing the daemon process |
| 22:58.33 | Sicp | one moment |
| 22:58.37 | Sicp | I'm trying to reproduce it |
| 22:58.42 | jelly-home | or sending it control-c if you left it in foreground |
| 23:00.15 | Sicp | i cannot exit from the instance I started with mysqld --skip-grant-tables |
| 23:00.19 | Sicp | there is no way |
| 23:00.45 | Sicp | why would I not be prompted for the root password when installing mysql-server? |
| 23:00.48 | Sicp | ... |
| 23:00.55 | jelly-home | not with ^C, not with killing it? |
| 23:01.20 | Sicp | if I kill it from another terminal, it works and it's done, but there is no affect to what was entered |
| 23:01.21 | Sicp | nothing |
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| 23:01.36 | Sicp | because the error is still there |
| 23:01.57 | jelly-home | then the error is caused by something else |
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| 23:03.54 | Sicp | should play the fail song now |
| 23:04.38 | Sicp | http://youtu.be/gkfVdrtLcRs |
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| 23:06.15 | floh` | how does debian's initrd with luks support know.which luks partition i want to use, and how to find /? |
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| 23:07.04 | floh` | does it just open the first/all luks partitoons ot finds, then enables all.lvm volumes it finds and then lools for what i gave as root= parameter? |
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| 23:11.27 | jelly-home | floh`: you're probably asking too detailed questions that can be answered only by peeking at the code |
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| 23:13.26 | floh` | jelly-home: hm im just wondering what i have to do in order to make debian.boot my new enxrypted system. |
| 23:14.04 | floh` | how can i force debian to give me an initrd which can deal with luks and lvm, so i can look at the code myself? |
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| 23:14.18 | floh` | not using luks at that time |
| 23:14.29 | jelly-home | install both and let it rebuild the initramfs image |
| 23:15.22 | floh` | can't i just tell my current system "hey, don't be smarter than ne, just put in that luks stuff"? |
| 23:15.42 | jelly-home | I'm not sure about luks, but other block-device layer managers just put their stuff in initramfs when installed |
| 23:15.52 | jelly-home | floh`: you still need to install it |
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| 23:17.04 | floh` | install luks, true. i understood like i should set up a whole luks-crypted debjan neyt to the existing |
| 23:17.41 | jelly-home | probably not |
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| 23:18.02 | BLZbubba_ | hello there, how do i get dpkg to upgrade a package that is failing is pre-installation check? |
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| 23:18.51 | BLZbubba_ | i realize it is risky and might toast my vm |
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| 23:19.51 | floh` | BLZbubba_: maybe --force? (just guessing) |
| 23:20.26 | tremon | BLZbubba_: failing a dependency check or failing its preinst script? |
| 23:21.27 | jelly-home | BLZbubba_: which package in particular and what are you trying to achieve in the longer term? |
| 23:21.36 | BLZbubba_ | force-all didn't do it |
| 23:21.56 | BLZbubba_ | libc, i'm doing a dist upgrade |
| 23:22.28 | BLZbubba_ | and the pre-install script hates my weird kernel |
| 23:22.31 | jelly-home | BLZbubba_: can you pastebin the full output of the failing apt-get or aptitude or dpkg command. |
| 23:22.53 | floh` | maybe just boot a stock kernel temporarily? |
| 23:23.12 | jelly-home | I suspect BLZbubba_ has no control of the kernel used. |
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| 23:23.58 | BLZbubba_ | yeah i know the workarounds; i just want to understand how to force this just for my own knowledge - or if it is just impossible |
| 23:24.18 | tremon | chmod -x /var/lib/dpkg/info/pkg.preinst -- but I wouldn't do that on a package as critical as libc6 |
| 23:24.39 | floh` | true. there is a reason for this failing i.assume |
| 23:25.03 | BLZbubba_ | it is a throwaway vm, not a big deal if i toast it |
| 23:25.04 | BLZbubba_ | http://pastebin.ca/2128495 |
| 23:25.06 | BLZbubba_ | openvz kernel |
| 23:25.08 | jelly-home | BLZbubba_: there's a number of ways. You can repack the .deb and omit the preinst test(s) |
| 23:25.09 | floh` | is this a productive machine? |
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| 23:25.25 | daemonkeeper | This is not even Debian. |
| 23:25.26 | BLZbubba_ | no it didn't exist 10 minutes ago |
| 23:25.39 | jelly-home | BLZbubba_: you're not installing Debian. |
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| 23:26.39 | floh` | ugh. ubuntu :( |
| 23:26.42 | BLZbubba_ | well it doesn't matter what distro; it is a dpkg question |
| 23:26.47 | jelly-home | BLZbubba_: unfortunately there is no channel for dpkg questions. |
| 23:26.54 | tremon | BLZbubba_: no it isn't |
| 23:26.56 | floh` | yes and this is a debian channrl :P |
| 23:26.59 | jelly-home | BLZbubba_: use ##linux or your distro channel. |
| 23:27.16 | floh` | either ask in #ubuntu or do what jelly said: |
| 23:27.34 | floh` | repack the deb, skipping the chexk |
| 23:27.35 | tremon | BLZbubba_: if your force-upgrade your libc6. your machine will likely no longer boot |
| 23:27.54 | floh` | throwaway-vm, so no problem |
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| 23:27.57 | BLZbubba_ | tremon: that's ok, i just want to know how to do it; it doesn't matter what distro |
| 23:28.09 | jelly-home | BLZbubba_: it's not that hard to repack a .deb, but I'm not continuing this in here. Use ##linux if you wish. |
| 23:28.55 | BLZbubba_ | yeah i know how to do debs, just curious if dpkg can force this. thanks for the suggestions |
| 23:29.54 | jelly-home | shrug |
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| 23:53.41 | fahi | nand`: regarding your question from earlier today, you should take a look at dbndns. It's much easier to set up than bind, has a smaller memory footprint and comes with fewer security risks. |
| 23:53.56 | centHOGG | oh |
| 23:54.22 | abrotman | fahi: djbdns? |
| 23:54.36 | themill | you might want to look at why dbndns isn't in either squeeze or wheezy too |
| 23:54.37 | abrotman | !djb |
| 23:54.38 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, djb is an arrogant jerk, or Daniel J. Bernstein, author of <qmail>, <djbdns>, etc., or at http://cr.yp.to/djb.html, or a UNIX coding and mathematics genius, or an ego-maniac. See <wanker>. |
| 23:54.38 | fahi | abrotman: yeah, the debian package is named dbndns and has some patches |
| 23:54.46 | dvs | heh |
| 23:54.52 | abrotman | fahi: that guy is a freaking nutjob |
| 23:55.01 | fahi | abrotman: I know |
| 23:55.14 | abrotman | i wouldn't let his stuff on my stuff |
| 23:55.16 | fahi | abrotman: still, dbndns/djbdns/tinydns rocks :) |
| 23:55.28 | daemonkeeper | Not more than PowerDNS. |
| 23:55.35 | abrotman | bind isn't hard, and isn't heavy .. |
| 23:56.15 | themill | !dbugs 516394 |
| 23:56.20 | dpkg | #516394:C[djbdns] [security]: Rapid DNS Poisoning in dnscache (security patch); Sat, 21 Feb 2009 07:27:02 UTC [] |
| 23:56.21 | themill | fahi: ^^ that sort of more secure? |
| 23:56.39 | daemonkeeper | It's Bernstein software. It's mathematically proven to be secure |
| 23:56.42 | daemonkeeper | runs |
| 23:56.50 | fahi | wait, what? did I miss something? |
| 23:56.56 | abrotman | prefers Berenstein software |
| 23:57.10 | dvs | prefers Ben Stein software |
| 23:57.16 | centHOGG | yikes |
| 23:57.16 | gnarface | eh, bind isn't hard until you start having to do advanced stuff |
| 23:57.21 | abrotman | really likes that someone fonud a security problem in djb's stuff, and he refused to pay up |
| 23:57.26 | abrotman | gnarface: define 'advanced' |
| 23:57.42 | daemonkeeper | abrotman: qmail. And it was Wietse. |
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| 23:57.50 | gnarface | abrotman: multi-homed master with different view slaves isolated to individual the networks |
| 23:57.56 | fahi | has anyone counted the security holes bind has had? |
| 23:58.09 | gnarface | abrotman: now put some of those slaves on more than one of the same views+networks - complications arise easily |
| 23:58.34 | abrotman | daemonkeeper: i don't recall the specifics, just enough to PAL |
| 23:58.41 | abrotman | gnarface: that's absurd :) |
| 23:58.55 | abrotman | fahi: bind8 was freaking awful .. bind9 is far far better |
| 23:59.01 | fahi | I think dan gave a speach about dns poisoning at the ccc, I don't remember |
| 23:59.02 | gnarface | abrotman: it took me a while to figure out how to figure out how to make it behave using proper SOA definitions, just cause bind manual isn't clear on exactly how to do this setup |
| 23:59.05 | fahi | *speech |
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| 23:59.09 | phix | Hey hey |
| 23:59.29 | phix | When's the next release due out? |
| 23:59.31 | themill | fahi: have a look at how many are unfixed though.... http://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/source-package/bind9 It's pushing it to say that dbndns is more secure when it's had a security related bug like that for 3 years and is heading towards missing two stable releases because of it. |
| 23:59.36 | themill | dpkg: tell phix about wwwr |
