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| 00:00.18 | jelly-home | themill: that particular bug is rather debatable, if you must! |
| 00:00.49 | daveo | what debian image do i download for testing w/ a 686 computer? |
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| 00:01.11 | abrotman | daveo: the i386 version |
| 00:01.13 | daveo | wheezy i believe |
| 00:01.22 | daveo | abrotman: thanks! |
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| 00:01.54 | phix | themill: ok cool, cause Asterisk 1.6.2 (which is in the squeeze repo) reached end of line a year ago. Would be good if 1.8 was added in there. |
| 00:03.35 | fahi | wait, that bug only affects dnscache but not tinydns or axfrdns, does it? |
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| 00:05.49 | xingu | themill: it's not the bugs the worry me it's the inability to answer ipv6 queries. |
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| 00:06.35 | fahi | xingu: I think dbndns has ipv6 patches applied |
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| 00:07.01 | xingu | fahi: you're thinking of aaaa record support, not the same thing. |
| 00:07.17 | fahi | xingu: oh, you mean binding to ipv6... ok |
| 00:07.42 | xingu | its single threaded nature also leaves a lot to be desired |
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| 00:08.35 | fahi | I think the dns topic is arguable a lot and djb's personality doesn't help either, but I'm going to bed now, bye :) |
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| 00:15.26 | jelly-home | no, dbndns has actual binding to 'v6. No patches are needed to merely support and answer AAAA or any other record type |
| 00:16.23 | zeromission | question...is there any web based imap client that supports gpg? |
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| 00:17.17 | jelly-home | a long time ago, squirrelmail had a gpg plugin |
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| 00:17.56 | zeromission | jelly-home indeed a long time ago... |
| 00:17.59 | daemonkeeper | Which makes the whole approach kind of obsolete. |
| 00:18.21 | jelly-home | I wouldn't trust my private keys to a web app |
| 00:18.26 | daemonkeeper | My point. |
| 00:19.00 | jelly-home | I wouldn't trust my private keys to a java or flash applet getting access to local files, either |
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| 00:19.58 | zeromission | hmmm roundcube has it on the roadmap...well back to mutt than |
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| 00:20.25 | jelly-home | or Thunderbird + Enigmail |
| 00:21.03 | zeromission | i know but i want a webbased solution |
| 00:21.11 | daemonkeeper | You don't. |
| 00:21.16 | jelly-home | well mutt is neither |
| 00:21.52 | jelly-home | zeromission: would you care if your private key was stored on the remote webapp or imap server? |
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| 00:27.03 | zeromission | jelly-home if its a secure webapp i wont care |
| 00:27.18 | zeromission | im not that paranoid |
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| 00:45.11 | jelly-home | then you can probably go and use the squirrelmail method |
| 00:45.13 | jelly-home | ;-) |
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| 01:09.48 | chowder | hey all. I know this question has been asked a million times and I apologize for making it one million and one but here goes. Is Gnome3 ready to be installed on Debian testing or will I have to put up with all kinds of errors. I've asked this question before and the answers I get are more or less the same: "its not worth it". |
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| 01:10.39 | abrotman | chowder: 've been using it for months .. it's mostly fine |
| 01:10.58 | chowder | abrotman: define...mostly |
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| 01:12.01 | abrotman | chowder: Well, it's testing, it does bug out from time to time, but generally, it's working pretty darn well |
| 01:12.06 | chowder | abrotman: I ask this because I've heard of package incompatibilities, being unable to rollback, etc. etc. all kinds of horror stories |
| 01:12.09 | gnarface | chowder: have you tried gnome3 yet? #1 gnome3 support question by long time gnome2 users: how do i go back to gnome2? most the complaints seem to be interface design ones, not as much about stability |
| 01:12.38 | chowder | gnarface: well I used gnome-shell back in its early development phase and I was pretty happy with it |
| 01:12.38 | bit0 | chowder, It seems to be stable enough for me |
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| 01:13.17 | chowder | so does one install gnome3 by installing gnome3-session? |
| 01:13.27 | abrotman | chowder: are you on wheezy? |
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| 01:13.46 | chowder | abrotman: yes, sir, I am |
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| 01:14.00 | abrotman | chowder: and your system is fully up to date? |
| 01:14.20 | chowder | abrotman: I actually just updated it a few hours ago |
| 01:14.22 | Tomasu | I'm having a slight problem with update-initramfs. I have it set to update "most" modules, but the initramfs files its generating only include a few modules. It doesn't even include ahci, so the system then can't find / (root) |
| 01:14.29 | Tomasu | I'm running sid |
| 01:14.38 | abrotman | chowder: with a full-upgrade? |
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| 01:15.10 | chowder | abrotman: I'm sorry but I don't quite get what you mean by a full upgrade. all I did was aptitude update; aptitude upgrade; |
| 01:15.40 | abrotman | chowder: aptitude update;aptitude full-upgrade .. anything else want to be upgraded ? |
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| 01:16.01 | chowder | abrotman: I'll tell you know. gonna run it now |
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| 01:17.09 | chowder | abrotman: its upgrading now. What's the difference between doing an upgrade and a full-upgrade? |
| 01:17.35 | Tomasu | the only reason I can boot the box at all now (without a rescue disk/stick) is my last kernel was custom built to have most modules built in. |
| 01:17.36 | abrotman | chowder: man patitude |
| 01:17.39 | abrotman | erm .. aptitude |
| 01:18.17 | chowder | abrotman: right. now that I did the full upgrade what's next? |
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| 01:18.43 | abrotman | chowder: did you install gnome3 ? |
| 01:19.47 | chowder | abrotman: not yet. to get all of gnome3 do I install gnome3-session? |
| 01:20.18 | abrotman | not likely .. |
| 01:20.40 | abrotman | judd: versions gnome |
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| 01:20.41 | judd | Package: gnome on i386 -- lenny: 1:2.22.2~5; squeeze: 1:2.30+7; sid: 1:3.0+7; wheezy: 1:3.0+7 |
| 01:20.51 | abrotman | chowder: so install the 'gnome' package |
| 01:20.57 | chowder | abrotman: alright I'll do that now |
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| 01:21.14 | chowder | installing it now |
| 01:21.21 | chowder | quite a few packages to grab |
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| 01:22.42 | tsccof | is there a directory in my home where I can set custom fonts? |
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| 01:23.15 | tsccof | ~/.local/share/fonts? |
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| 01:25.14 | nkuttler | tsccof: you can add font paths with xset |
| 01:25.41 | nkuttler | tsccof: but you can't just dump files in there, there's some special structure |
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| 01:26.19 | nkuttler | !tell tsccof about fonts |
| 01:26.42 | tsccof | nkuttler: thank you! |
| 01:26.56 | nkuttler | make sure to read what the bot told you |
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| 01:29.03 | tsccof | nkuttler: ~/.fonts ! |
| 01:29.20 | tsccof | nkuttler: thanks, that's the info I wanted, the bot provided the link to it |
| 01:29.24 | tsccof | :) |
| 01:30.05 | tsccof | I already knew it was .fonts, I had forgotten! |
| 01:30.16 | tsccof | I just realised that, thank you nkuttler |
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| 01:37.33 | firespeaker | I have a USB mouse that when I plug it in I get messages like "mtp-probe: bus: x, device: xx was not an MTP device" followed by a USB disconnect, and loop ad infinitum |
| 01:37.58 | gnarface | firespeaker: kernel+debian version? |
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| 01:38.21 | firespeaker | debian testing, kernel 3.2.0-rc7 |
| 01:38.29 | gnarface | firespeaker: kinda sounds like a kernel bug to me. what mouse is this? |
| 01:38.34 | firespeaker | it's also doing it on a debian box with 3.0.0 |
| 01:38.45 | firespeaker | it's a generic mouse |
| 01:38.50 | firespeaker | some chinese brand |
| 01:39.03 | gnarface | no doubt, but it should still have an FCC id |
| 01:39.19 | firespeaker | ah, it identifies as 0003:0603 |
| 01:39.39 | abrotman | firespeaker: your kernel is out of date, by quite a bit |
| 01:39.50 | firespeaker | I blame testing |
| 01:39.51 | firespeaker | but yeah |
| 01:39.53 | abrotman | i blame the user |
| 01:40.15 | abrotman | testing has a newer kernel than that |
| 01:40.16 | firespeaker | I keep having problems in testing |
| 01:40.25 | firespeaker | like wine wasn't there and stuff |
| 01:40.34 | firespeaker | I've had much better luck with unstable |
| 01:40.38 | firespeaker | so I might just dist-upgrade |
| 01:40.44 | firespeaker | but I will try a newer kernel |
| 01:40.53 | firespeaker | though I don't think it'll magically solve my issue |
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| 01:41.01 | gnarface | firespeaker: a quick google shows me that's a known issue since last year at least with that mouse - all i can suggest is get the latest kernel and if it still doesn't work report the bug or find the existing bug and chime in that you reproduce it reliably |
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| 01:41.19 | dark|angel | can anyone recommend me a good 3rd party DNS provider? |
| 01:41.24 | firespeaker | gnarface: okay, thanks |
| 01:41.28 | tsccof | firespeaker: if you absolutely want to get your best chances, I'd recommend building a kernel yourself |
| 01:41.44 | firespeaker | yeah |
| 01:41.58 | firespeaker | latest kernel in testing is 3.2.0 :( |
| 01:41.59 | abrotman | i'd recommend trying the one that's in testing instead of one from 9 months ago instead |
| 01:42.08 | tsccof | abrotman: true that |
| 01:42.17 | abrotman | or only read the first three numbers, and skip the rest .. great plan |
| 01:42.24 | tsccof | what is wheezy's kernel release, atm? |
| 01:42.59 | dvs | ,kernels |
| 01:43.00 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.3.0-rc6-686-pae (3.3~rc6-1~experimental.1); sid: 3.2.0-2-686-pae (3.2.10-1); wheezy: 3.2.0-2-686-pae (3.2.9-1); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.1-686-pae (3.2.4-1~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-41); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-35~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-29) |
| 01:43.10 | dvs | 3.2.9 |
| 01:43.16 | abrotman | OMG, so old ... |
| 01:43.25 | abrotman | cries on dvs |
| 01:43.32 | dvs | old? that's just weeks old. |
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| 01:43.49 | dvs | 3.2.11 |
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| 01:43.56 | abrotman | knows canadians can't smell sarcasm |
| 01:44.04 | dvs | eh? |
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| 01:44.11 | firespeaker | hmm, why is debian calling the kernels 3.2.0[-2] if it's a 3.2.9 kernel? |
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| 01:45.28 | abrotman | firespeaker: kernel ABI |
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| 01:47.45 | tsccof | what is the best place to find documentation on debian? |
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| 01:48.02 | civillian | tsccof: the Internet |
| 01:48.25 | tsccof | civillian: :P anything more specific? |
| 01:48.32 | civillian | tsccof: Google |
| 01:48.41 | tsccof | I couldn't find some of the information I was looking for on Debian's page |
| 01:48.58 | tsccof | is the Debian wiki actively used? Arch has an awesome wiki |
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| 01:49.23 | abrotman | tsccof: specifically? |
| 01:49.45 | tsccof | abrotman: you mean what was I looking for? |
| 01:49.57 | abrotman | yes |
| 01:50.28 | JurassicJon | has anyone managed to get Debian dual booted along with lion? |
| 01:50.32 | tsccof | abrotman: I was looking for a tutorial on how to set up phpmyadmin properly using lighttpd |
| 01:50.34 | abrotman | between debian.org/doc and wiki.debian.org and /usr/share/doc/ .. that's a ton of docs |
| 01:50.35 | JurassicJon | OS X Lion* |
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| 01:50.50 | abrotman | tsccof: /usr/share/doc/phpmyadmin/ didn't have docs? that's usually how it works |
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| 01:52.18 | tsccof | abrotman: got it! that sounded so stupid , I never bothered to look in /usr/share/doc :P |
| 01:52.30 | abrotman | tsccof: we're tricky like that |
| 01:54.40 | WilsonBradley | Can someone help me remove Speech_dispatcher ? It broke my audio and gives errors at boot.. :-( |
| 01:54.56 | tsccof | abrotman: how can I read these docs, seeing that they are gzipped? |
| 01:55.29 | tsccof | abrotman: last question, it's a promise :P |
| 01:55.32 | gnarface | tsccof: there are many ways but i like zless |
| 01:55.49 | abrotman | tsccof: zless or zcat |
| 01:55.56 | gnarface | tsccof: zgrep is also popular |
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| 01:56.11 | tsccof | abrotman gnarface: thank you guys, sorry if I bothered you :) |
| 01:56.18 | abrotman | thinks zgrep on docs .. not so awesome :) |
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| 01:56.35 | gnarface | just wishes zgrep would support -r like regular grep |
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| 01:57.21 | tsccof | gnarface: we could code it ourselves |
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| 02:08.57 | gnarface | tsccof: we could but i'm too lazy and just use find and a bash for loop instead |
| 02:09.23 | tsccof | gnarface: if you ever want to change that, call me |
| 02:10.21 | abrotman | call me! |
| 02:10.36 | tsccof | lol |
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| 02:14.43 | I440r | im not sure if this is a debianism or an ubuntuism so ill verify first. where does debian put the terminfo database |
| 02:14.55 | I440r | if its in /lib/terminfo my question is why does debian not follow the fhs? |
| 02:15.49 | abrotman | I440r: cat /etc/terminfo/README .. if that helps .. not sure what Ubuntu does |
| 02:16.53 | I440r | abrotman, i dont run debian based systems. i just know the FHS says terminfo belongs in /usr/share/terminfo |
| 02:16.54 | I440r | if debian does not put it there my question stands. why is debian not honoring the FHS? |
| 02:17.24 | I440r | i know ubuntu puts terminfo in /lib/terminfo so they are in violation of the standard. i asked and they werent sure why... |
| 02:17.28 | I440r | possibly a debianism |
| 02:17.31 | gnarface | I440r: whose FHS? |
| 02:17.38 | I440r | THE |
| 02:17.41 | abrotman | I440r: you'd have to read that README .. would you like me to paste it somewhere ? |
| 02:17.48 | I440r | isnt it a standardized standard?> |
| 02:17.55 | I440r | abrotman, sure |
| 02:18.05 | gnarface | I440r: i don't know, but i know debian has its own FHS |
| 02:18.11 | abrotman | I440r: http://paste.debian.net/159928/ |
| 02:18.18 | I440r | gnarface, that makes it a not standard |
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| 02:19.03 | I440r | abrotman. the problem with your readme is that it is ASSUMING ncurses |
| 02:19.21 | abrotman | I440r: it's a website ? |
| 02:19.46 | I440r | the standard states that terminfo belongs in /usr/share/terminfo. the fact that ncurses has duct tape code to fix all the broken distros and termainals is besides the point |
| 02:19.55 | I440r | debian is broken according to THE fhs |
| 02:20.00 | abrotman | if you're complaining about the content of the file .. i didn't make it, i just pasted it for you |
| 02:20.10 | abrotman | I440r: Debian breaks teh FHS in lots of ways .. |
| 02:20.16 | abrotman | as do most distros |
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| 02:20.37 | I440r | actually most other distros honor it |
| 02:20.46 | I440r | so far ive only seen debian based distros that dont |
| 02:21.06 | abrotman | okay .. and what do you want to do about that? |
| 02:21.28 | I440r | so people like the developers of ncurses or other termainl based applications have to have duct tape code to fix YOUR breakage |
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| 02:21.52 | I440r | i would "like" it if debian were to adopt the fhs |
| 02:21.54 | abrotman | not MINE |
| 02:22.09 | gnarface | usually debian's extension of the fhs is fixing something worse |
| 02:22.11 | abrotman | I440r: use the BTS, file a bug |
| 02:22.28 | tsccof | I440r: I suppose debian package mantainers would provide the duct tape themselves? |
| 02:22.34 | I440r | gnarface, extensions? thats not an extension, its a contradiction lol |
| 02:22.55 | I440r | tsccof, no need for duct tape code if terminfo were in a location as specified by the standard |
| 02:23.05 | I440r | thats why we have standards |
| 02:23.21 | I440r | so we dont need to have 500k libraries that COULD fit in 4k otherwise |
| 02:24.10 | abrotman | I440r: perhaps there's a better way instead of blaming people |
| 02:24.19 | tsccof | I440r: I'm not saying it's correct, I'm saying the upstream developers not necessarily have to fix Debian-related things themselves |
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| 02:25.04 | gnarface | I440r: well i'm not gonna pretend to know really what we're even talking about here or what its for, but i think you have the right to file a complaint through the appropriate channels and i'd give it at least a 30% chance that "The FHS" will change based on debian's, rather than the other way around |
| 02:25.10 | I440r | abrotman im pointing out a flaw in where debian puts terminfo not blaming people |
| 02:25.29 | I440r | if debian put terminfo where the standard says it should go ncurses etc etc would not need ANY duct tape code |
| 02:25.42 | I440r | its like the difference between an SGR and an SGR0 escape code |
| 02:25.48 | abrotman | I440r: you're blaming Debian .. perhaps email the maintainer of the package and ask them what they recommend as the easiest way around your issue |
| 02:26.02 | I440r | all terminals support SGR and SGR0 but almost none of them contain a format string for sgr |
| 02:26.07 | abrotman | or just keep going ... |
| 02:26.16 | gnarface | I440r: again, not really knowing what we're talking about here but it looks like /usr/share/terminfo DOES eventually get read in debian (and it already exists everywhere, from what i can tell, just empty) so does that actually constitute breakage ? |
| 02:26.34 | I440r | abrotman, ncurses has duct tape code. i refuse to add duct tape to MY code to fix YOUR breakage... |
| 02:26.41 | abrotman | not MINE |
| 02:26.48 | abrotman | i didn't do it .. stop blaming me |
| 02:26.58 | gnarface | abrotman didn't do it, he's just a channel op |
| 02:27.07 | I440r | gnarface, no. thats not where the breakage is. thats a Fixage in ncurses. |
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| 02:27.16 | tsccof | I440r: then refuse, code your things according to the FHS, and let Debian package maintainers sort things out for themselves if they are willing to package your software |
| 02:27.16 | gnarface | and i didn't do it either. i'm practically useless |
| 02:27.17 | I440r | gnarface, by "your" i mean the distro you use |
| 02:27.33 | abrotman | I440r: contact the maintainer .. this channel is really not the place to whine about it .. few of us hve the power to "fix" your issue |
| 02:27.46 | I440r | tsccof, they wouldnt stand a snowball chance in hell of fixing my code. its not c |
| 02:28.02 | abrotman | I440r: you're surely not the first person to code against Debian and Others |
| 02:28.14 | tsccof | I440r: then ignore Debian |
| 02:28.34 | tsccof | I440r: code your stuff according to FHS, and maybe include this specifically in your docs |
| 02:28.37 | abrotman | and we've descended to troll |
| 02:28.50 | I440r | abrotman, actually im not coding against debian. im just not going to fix breakages in debian in my code any more than im going to add code to hard code all the escape sequences that terminal maintainers refuse to add format strings for |
| 02:29.11 | abrotman | I440r: just ignore Debian ... if someone wants your code in Debian, they'll fix it .. not a big deal |
| 02:29.16 | gnarface | hey on a completely unrelated note, if i have a self-signed certificate authority i created privately and i want another one of my machines to trust it by default do i just drop the cacert.pem into /etc/ssl/certs ? |
| 02:29.35 | abrotman | I440r: code for the standard .. it makes sense to do that |
| 02:29.36 | I440r | abrotman, no not trolling |
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| 02:30.01 | I440r | abrotman, i did. and unfortunately debian based distros are somewhat more popular than others |
| 02:30.03 | abrotman | there are plenty of very smart developers working on Debian stuff .. |
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| 02:30.19 | gnarface | or do i have to like concatenate it to the end of /etc/ssl/certs/ca-certificates.crt ? |
| 02:30.26 | abrotman | I440r: ignore them too .. or ask one of the developers for $OTHER_OS to provide a patch to fix it |
| 02:30.40 | abrotman | I440r: if you don't want to code it, then don't .. thta's why it's open source .. right ? |
| 02:30.52 | gnarface | shudders to think of what the FHS would be like if RedHat had their way |
| 02:30.55 | I440r | http://24.183.5.217:8081/filedetails.php?repname=isforth&path=%2Ftrunk%2Fsrc%2Fterminal%2Fterminfo.f |
| 02:31.28 | abrotman | gnarface: you could do your own CA ? |
| 02:31.30 | I440r | thats my terminfo parser. tell me if there are any debian or ubuntu or other linux developers who would even want to add duct tape |
| 02:31.32 | I440r | :) |
| 02:31.36 | I440r | ca? |
| 02:31.50 | nkuttler | man 5 terminfo says /usr/share/terminfo/*/* anyway.... |
| 02:31.53 | gnarface | abrotman: i did i'm just trying to figure out how to get programs other than nslcd to honor it |
| 02:32.17 | nkuttler | there's a /lib/terminfo as well on my system installed by ncurses-base |
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| 02:32.23 | abrotman | gnarface: you have to trust the CA, right ? |
| 02:32.27 | abrotman | import the cert ? |
| 02:32.46 | abrotman | I440r: it's forth .. so what? it's just another language to a good developer |
| 02:32.59 | gnarface | abrotman: well, i have to get ab to trust it, or i can't benchmark my https terminator |
| 02:33.03 | I440r | abrotman knows forth? |
| 02:33.29 | abrotman | i know of .. i'm smart enough to not run around trying every fad language out there :) |
| 02:33.44 | gnarface | abrotman: that's specifically my issue, how do i import the cert to something other than mozilla? i was under the impression you do this somehow through files in /etc/ssl |
| 02:33.49 | I440r | abrotman, never could forth ever be accused of being a fad. lol |
| 02:33.56 | abrotman | uhhuh |
| 02:34.11 | I440r | it was never popular enough for that and fads die out fast. forth is still going somewhat strong |
| 02:34.12 | abrotman | gnarface: eh .. i thought ab had an --ignorecert or somethin glike that ? |
| 02:34.22 | gnarface | abrotman: not documented. i've been looking too |
| 02:34.26 | abrotman | never popular .. going strong .. got it |
| 02:34.50 | I440r | not many people use it but those that do make a good living with it |
| 02:34.59 | I440r | you ship via fedex? |
| 02:35.00 | gnarface | abrotman: actually all the documentation i can find on ab says "don't use this feature" but i also can't find any word on a better way to benchmark https |
| 02:35.05 | I440r | their entire tracking system is written in forth |
| 02:35.20 | abrotman | I440r: as i said .. ignore Debian, if someone wants it in Debian, they'll fix your code to work on Debian |
| 02:35.21 | I440r | watch direct tv? the entire satellite tracking system for ALL their dishes are forth based |
| 02:35.29 | I440r | both for tracking and mux/demux of the signals |
| 02:35.44 | abrotman | Strong like Ada :) |
| 02:35.54 | I440r | actually i dont want them to fix my code tbh. |
| 02:36.05 | gnarface | we can tell, I440r. now tell us about your mother |
| 02:36.23 | I440r | if i could convince ncurses to delete 100% of its duct tape code it would either kill ncurses or get all the term devs to fix their shit lol |
| 02:36.44 | abrotman | gnarface: does it actually error on a self-signed cert ? |
| 02:37.05 | gnarface | abrotman: even errors on a commercial cert, if the hostnames don't match |
| 02:37.32 | abrotman | gnarface: and if the name matches |
| 02:37.33 | abrotman | ? |
| 02:38.21 | gnarface | abrotman: good question but i was hoping not to have to test that, as it would involve taking down prod |
| 02:38.46 | abrotman | gnarface: been a long time since i've played with ab .. i can't recall how it reacts with ssl self-signed bits |
| 02:39.34 | gnarface | abrotman: its entirely possible its outright broken in the version currently in squeeze. i was just trying to make sure my keys were completely kosher first |
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| 02:40.24 | wolfric | where could i get my hands on a copy of debian etch? (4.0) |
| 02:40.37 | gnarface | dpkg archives? |
| 02:40.38 | dpkg | hmm... archive is a collection of files. 'tar', 'ar', 'cpio' are all archiving tools. This is *not* the same as compression, which is a separate operation. Debian Archives is the repository for old Debian releases, see http://www.debian.org/distrib/archive . For the package archive, ask me about <snapshot>. Old Debian <ISO> files are archived at http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/ |
| 02:40.42 | gnarface | hmm. noipe |
| 02:40.43 | abrotman | wolfric: the ISO? or what? |
| 02:40.50 | abrotman | gnarface: last URL |
| 02:40.51 | gnarface | oh yea |
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| 02:43.52 | tsccof | abrotman: "never popular .. going strong.. got it" <<<< LOL |
| 02:47.02 | abrotman | gnarface: what about siege? |
| 02:47.33 | wolfric | abrotman: yeah iso |
| 02:47.45 | abrotman | wolfric: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/ |
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| 02:50.42 | wolfric | abrotman: cheers |
| 02:50.49 | abrotman | bye! |
| 02:51.04 | wolfric | ? |
| 02:51.11 | abrotman | hehe |
| 02:51.22 | abrotman | sorry .. my co-worker says 'cheers, bye" quite often |
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| 02:54.39 | wolfric | abrotman: lol fair enough |
| 02:54.55 | wolfric | btw where is the release verion shown? |
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| 02:55.07 | wolfric | ie, while running debian |
| 02:55.28 | henkm | uname -a |
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| 02:55.58 | wolfric | henkm: ? |
| 02:56.01 | abrotman | wolfric: /etc/debian_version |
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| 02:57.00 | gnarface | abrotman: hadn't heard of it before, checking it out now, thanks |
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| 02:58.29 | henkm | sorry, my bad |
| 02:58.56 | abrotman | wolfric: /msg dpkg version |
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| 03:00.15 | s3a | is debtorrent something that allows me to have less of an impact on debian repository servers and use peer to peer to lighten their server load? |
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| 03:02.56 | s3a | if so, is it something i use client side or something "those debian people" use server side? |
| 03:04.13 | gnarface | dpkg, debtorrent? |
| 03:04.13 | dpkg | [debtorrent] a method of Debian package distribution using <BitTorrent>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebTorrent http://debtorrent.alioth.debian.org/ #debtorrent on irc.oftc.net. |
| 03:04.33 | gnarface | s3a: now you know what i know about it |
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| 03:05.20 | s3a | gnarface, lol well i'm sleepy so i was hoping i could get a yes or no, otherwise i'll just read later |
| 03:05.54 | s3a | well i'm reading now and it seems to be what i think it is but i'm sleepy so i may not be interpreting things right that's why i'm asking here |
| 03:06.11 | gnarface | s3a: i've never tried it so i can't help, sorry |
| 03:06.35 | s3a | gnarface, it's ok |
| 03:06.40 | s3a | i'll save it for a later read then |
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| 03:10.05 | s3a | from Ubuntu's site: "DebTorrent is a proxy for downloading Debian packages files with APT. It will download any needed packages from other DebTorrent peers in a bittorrent-like manner, and so reduce the strain on the Debian mirrors." |
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| 03:15.43 | miguel_ | if i want to use wget to get all files from a website that start with the name miguel how can i do it??? |
| 03:19.02 | squarepeg | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:19.31 | squarepeg | thank you civillian |
| 03:19.47 | squarepeg | I put a space before my command |
| 03:19.48 | civillian | Please present your mouth for the inevitable treatment |
| 03:20.13 | squarepeg | is there some new policy in #drupal ? |
| 03:22.03 | civillian | squarepeg: you tell us |
| 03:22.10 | squarepeg | I was going to say... |
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| 03:22.30 | squarepeg | Hazing rituals now for IRC support channels, actually that's nothing new |
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| 03:22.53 | civillian | squarepeg: more like trolls are everywhere |
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| 03:23.29 | squarepeg | trolololol... |
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| 03:24.31 | miguel_ | if i want to use wget to get all files from a website that start with the name miguel how can i do it??? |
| 03:24.49 | sheep | miguel_: you can't if there is no index page listing them |
| 03:25.12 | miguel_ | sheep: but i can download them individually |
| 03:25.18 | sheep | right |
| 03:25.35 | miguel_ | like there is miguel0001.jpg till miguel5999.jpg |
| 03:25.38 | sheep | see http://www.gnu.org/software/wget/manual/html_node/Recursive-Download.html#Recursive-Download |
| 03:25.44 | jbrks | miguel_, wget only gets whats listable either from a directory index or an html page (and sometimes directoryindexes are not allowed) |
| 03:26.08 | sheep | you could also use a for loop in bash to iterate through all of those possible filenames |
| 03:26.32 | miguel_ | sheep: is there a way to tell it to download miguel0001.jpg till miguel5999.jpg? |
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| 03:26.49 | sheep | miguel_: yes. bash script with for loop |
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| 03:29.55 | vz2icarly | hi all how to install canon mp250 printer in debian 5.0.9, i have downloaded the debfiles but when i try to install them, it is returned with error code 1... hellp! |
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| 03:30.53 | Dulak | sheep: actually wget -r has -A and -R for accepting or rejecting files based on a wildcard |
| 03:31.04 | Dulak | sheep: He left before i could tell him |
| 03:31.04 | sheep | right |
| 03:31.09 | sheep | but it has some limitations |
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| 03:38.47 | Linux7 | where to find all sites that logs typed password? |
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| 03:54.44 | gnarface | Linux7: i think you mean /var/log/auth.log |
| 03:55.10 | gnarface | Linux7: you may have to change log verbosity |
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| 03:56.53 | Linux7 | gnarface, thanks! |
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| 03:58.29 | Linux7 | gnarface, view passwords you type in the Internet ? |
| 03:59.33 | gnarface | Linux7: uh, sorry no probably not. i thought you were looking for passwords used by people trying to log into your computer. what are you looking for exactly? your iceweasel keychain or something? |
| 04:01.24 | Linux7 | not |
| 04:01.36 | Linux7 | gnarface, and everything typed on the keyboard |
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| 04:02.41 | somiaj | unless you installed a keylogger there is nothing that saves that by default |
| 04:02.52 | kleanchap | Are there any desktop calendar widgets for Debian Gnome? |
| 04:03.04 | gnarface | Linux7: what somiaj said |
| 04:03.18 | Linux7 | ok |
| 04:03.20 | Linux7 | ;) |
| 04:03.50 | Linux7 | anyway thank you for attention |
| 04:03.54 | Linux7 | thanks |
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| 04:12.49 | kleanchap | Is squid the stable release or sid? |
| 04:13.01 | udoblunt | squeeze is stable release |
| 04:13.07 | kleanchap | thnx |
| 04:13.10 | udoblunt | yw |
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| 04:13.30 | boudiccas | kleanchap; i dont think that squid is in toy story |
| 04:13.50 | udoblunt | hehe, think he was mixing sid and squeeze up X) |
| 04:14.48 | nsadmin | sid, squid... flip the id under your lid! |
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| 04:15.57 | gnarface | just assumed someone in #ubuntu told him sid was the most stable debian |
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| 04:17.37 | boudiccas | kleanchap; have you looked at desklets i think theyre called |
| 04:17.41 | boudiccas | ? |
| 04:18.12 | boudiccas | maybe 'gdesklets'? |
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| 04:20.02 | nyingen | 'squid' would be the version of debian you're running if you installed squeeze but pull packages from unstable |
| 04:20.49 | boudiccas | kleanchap; yes, it is 'gdesklets' |
| 04:21.20 | kleanchap | boudiccas, the gdesklet is installed and now I have to find out all the applets it contains. :-) |
| 04:21.57 | somiaj | nyingen: I wouldn't call it running for long |
| 04:22.04 | boudiccas | kleanchap; its got a rather nice analog clock in it, but i'm unable to call up anything else so i dont know what else its got in it |
| 04:22.44 | kleanchap | boudiccas, Thnx. I will keep checking into that package. |
| 04:22.54 | boudiccas | kleanchap; yw |
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| 04:29.46 | gnarface | abrotman: good tip on siege, this is WAAAY better than ab |
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| 04:31.08 | gnarface | do /sys values also go in etc/sysctl.conf like /proc values? |
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| 04:33.18 | somiaj | man sysctl.conf? |
| 04:33.49 | somiaj | I guess it is any value that can be set by sysctl |
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| 04:34.06 | gnarface | somiaj: have you seen the man page for sysctl.conf? |
| 04:34.19 | somiaj | yea just read it, it wasn't as enlighting as I was hoping |
| 04:34.28 | gnarface | somiaj: yea it doesn't even make it clear you can set /proc values from there |
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| 04:35.02 | somiaj | well it is things you can set by sysctl, which then says /proc/sys is one of its files |
| 04:35.43 | somiaj | so looks likes you can only modify /proc/sys values, if those values are also mirroed in /sys it may be dependent on the value |
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| 04:38.00 | gnarface | somiaj: but i'm not clear on that either |
| 04:38.30 | somiaj | "sysctl is used to modify kernel parameters at runtime. The parameters available are those listed under /proc/sys/." |
| 04:38.51 | gnarface | somiaj: actually let me correct that statement, i'm not clear on whether they should be, but /sys values i currently have are NOT being mirrored in /proc/sys |
| 04:38.54 | somiaj | gnarface: that is what I'm going off of, no actual experience. |
| 04:39.11 | somiaj | gnarface: what values are you trying to modify? |
| 04:40.31 | gnarface | somiaj: well the program said my value for /sys/module/if_conntrack/parameters/hashsize was too small. since the file was nonexistant i edited /sys/module/nf_conntrack/parameters/hashsize instead |
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| 04:41.06 | gnarface | somiaj: actually i guess it was ip_conntrack, but anyway, the editing nf_conntrack one instead made it happy |
| 04:41.30 | gotenss4 | does anyone know where i can get nuendo 5 for pc |
| 04:41.31 | gnarface | somiaj: i'm just wondering if there's a less ghetto way of doing this than adding an echo statement in my /etc/rc.local |
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| 04:44.08 | somiaj | gnarface: random google search says that value is set when the module is loaded, so I guess modify /etc/modprobe.d files for that will work |
| 04:44.20 | somiaj | modprobe ip_conntrack hashsize=$HASHSIZE |
| 04:44.39 | gnarface | module options eh |
| 04:44.42 | gnarface | ok, thanks |
| 04:44.50 | gnarface | what a mess |
| 04:45.34 | somiaj | the page I was looking at seems a bit old, it is talking about 2.4 and 2.6 kernels, but that seemed the most relialbe |
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| 04:46.10 | gnarface | somiaj: since debian doesn't seem to have one of those, do you think i'm expected to use that option on nf_conntrack_ipv4 instead? |
| 04:46.59 | gnarface | modinfo says no :( |
| 04:47.19 | gnarface | i'll have to find some better documentation |
| 04:47.24 | gnarface | thanks for trying though somiaj |
| 04:47.58 | somiaj | gnarface: the page i'm looking at, modinfo nf_conntrack seems to list a parm expected_hashsize |
| 04:48.13 | gnarface | i don't have one of those either |
| 04:48.38 | gnarface | oh wait, there it is |
| 04:48.41 | gnarface | ok |
| 04:48.42 | gnarface | thanks |
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| 04:49.02 | gnarface | hmm. |
| 04:49.14 | gnarface | wonders if that's the same as hashsize though, because both exist in /sys |
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| 04:50.49 | somiaj | hmm, try this 'sysctl -a | grep netflter' |
| 04:51.13 | somiaj | echo net.ipv4.netfilter.ip_conntrack_max = 196608 > /etc/sysctl.conf -- http://antmeetspenguin.blogspot.com/2011/01/high-performance-linux-router.html |
| 04:51.28 | somiaj | seems hashsize is ip_conntrack_max / 8, so that is what this site says to set |
| 04:53.07 | gnarface | haproxy enterprise edition is actually demanding a much larger value |
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| 04:53.46 | gnarface | i've already set ip_conntrack_max in sysctl.conf, and that seems to work right |
| 04:53.55 | gnarface | options ip_conntrack hashsize=24576 |
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| 04:54.07 | gnarface | this looks suspicious to me though, because lsmod reports NO ip_conntrack module |
| 04:54.37 | somiaj | seems they renamed it to nf_conntrack, modinfo returns that info |
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| 04:55.18 | gnarface | no, not quite - modinfo says that the nf_conntrack module (which i do have) does not have a parameter 'hashsize' only 'expect_hashsize' (which i'm assuming is a different thing because both show up in my /sys as separate files) |
| 04:55.38 | somiaj | yea, did that sysctl -a | grep netfliter return anything? |
| 04:55.54 | gnarface | only about a billion things, but that's not surprising because netfilter shows up in /proc too |
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| 04:56.30 | gnarface | i'm sure the pros just read the kernel source to figure it out |
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| 04:56.43 | gnarface | i'm not quite that high up the food chain of knowledge yet |
| 04:57.15 | somiaj | haha |
| 04:57.19 | somiaj | well I am just a google user |
| 04:57.43 | gnarface | it was a valiant effort |
| 04:57.50 | gnarface | i'm gonna eat a pizza and get drunk |
| 04:57.53 | gnarface | have a good one |
| 04:58.14 | gnarface | its academic anyway, i can put an echo line in /etc/rc.local until i figure it out |
| 04:58.17 | gnarface | wouldn't be the first time |
| 04:58.20 | somiaj | enjoy the beer and pizza |
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| 05:26.24 | Morzain | new to debian and having issues with bluetooth: http://pastie.org/3606036 any advice? my endgoal is just getting my mouse to work |
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| 05:29.35 | Morzain | I read somewhere that some non free firmware is needed for some bluetooth adapters but I have not been able to find that page again for the life of me |
| 05:30.35 | jason404 | Morzain: I'm no expert and I only use Debian on headless servers anyway, but I think you would get better support for fancy stuff like Bluetooth mice with Ubuntu |
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| 05:31.09 | jason404 | but don't take my word for it |
| 05:31.11 | nevyn | Morzain: where did you get to? |
| 05:31.22 | Morzain | jason404: I'd rather use windows over ubuntu, thank you though :-) |
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| 05:32.19 | nevyn | so you need the bluetooth stack and the hid stuff installed |
| 05:32.45 | jason404 | Morzain: I use Ubuntu and Debian and I can't say that I have actually noticed any difference between them whatsoever, apart from Ubuntu having more up to date versions of software in the repo sometimes |
| 05:33.02 | jason404 | no GUI of course |
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| 05:33.07 | nevyn | jason404: you're umm offtopic. |
| 05:34.01 | Morzain | I installed the bluetooth package, started it, restarted my X session, what I think is going on is it is not recognizing the adapter as hciconfig does not see hci0 |
| 05:34.02 | nevyn | Morzain: http://idebian.wordpress.com/2008/07/06/manage-hid-bluetooth-devices-in-linux/ seems to cover it |
| 05:35.08 | Morzain | nevyn: ohhh nice link ty! |
| 05:35.54 | nevyn | giyf |
| 05:36.17 | nevyn | Morzain: btw bluepill is not an option for you you need to follow the redpill path ;) |
| 05:36.17 | boudiccas | giyf? |
| 05:36.24 | nevyn | !giyf |
| 05:36.24 | dpkg | Google Is Your Friend. http://google.com/linux |
| 05:36.29 | boudiccas | ah right |
| 05:37.32 | Morzain | nevyn: I'm a linux admin for a webhosting company by trade, but been real lazy about using it at home. blue pill is definitely not an option, must learn more! |
| 05:38.04 | nevyn | heh |
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| 05:43.35 | Morzain | nevyn: yeah that link goes on the assumption that hci0 already exists :-( |
| 05:44.05 | nevyn | hrm |
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| 05:45.05 | nevyn | so what happens if you run hcitool scan? |
| 05:45.09 | nevyn | can it see your mouse? |
| 05:45.51 | Morzain | no, it says no such device because the bluetooth stack isn't seeing the adapter |
| 05:46.43 | Morzain | I assume thats why it says it |
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| 05:47.20 | nevyn | can you pastebin the result of hcitool scan ? |
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| 05:48.29 | Viking667 | what package is responsible for setting the gnome desktop theme? I don't seem to have it installed. |
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| 05:51.34 | Morzain | nevyn: http://pastie.org/3606130 |
| 05:52.57 | nsadmin | Viking667, #gnome or #debian-gnome may also have info |
| 05:53.14 | nevyn | Morzain: hrm but your previous dmesg says it's there... |
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| 05:53.22 | Viking667 | I'm checkng back in #linux too, but thanks for your suggestion |
| 05:53.40 | nevyn | [ 8.023814] Bluetooth: HCI device and connection manager initialized |
| 05:54.12 | Viking667 | pity there's nobody in #debian-gnome |
| 05:57.33 | Morzain | nevyn: yeah this is confusing the heck out of me, I see the bluetooth device all over dmesg etc |
| 05:57.42 | Viking667 | and nobody's answering me in #gnome. |
| 05:57.48 | nsadmin | maybe there's another #debian-gnome on another net (irc.debian.org comes to mind) |
| 05:57.50 | nevyn | Morzain: did you start hidd |
| 05:58.29 | Viking667 | hates bluetooth. The trouble is, I'm not allowed to remove it, as I get told it'll rip out 2/3 of networking packages if I try. sigh. |
| 05:58.42 | nsadmin | Viking667, I've had some experience with that, having been around for > 10 years... sometimes you have to stay on the channel and wait (hours/days) for a response |
| 05:58.43 | nevyn | Morzain: by changing /etc/default/bluetooth |
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| 05:59.20 | nsadmin | if you join and leave, you'll never succeed in an environment where sometimes people sleep and wander away from their computer |
| 05:59.49 | Viking667 | unfortunately, I happen to live somewhat in the real world, where I need relatively timely responses. |
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| 06:00.16 | Morzain | Viking667: then you need paid support from something that is not IRC :-D |
| 06:00.19 | nevyn | Viking667: canonical or hp will provide support. ;) |
| 06:00.28 | Viking667 | And I suspect I've finally got an answer from ##linux |
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| 06:00.38 | nsadmin | Viking667, if you have constraints, then you probably need a paid consultant |
| 06:00.53 | nevyn | but seriously for changing a desktop theme? |
| 06:01.05 | Viking667 | yeah, for the time it takes to search. Problem is I had no idea what terms to use to search with. Google's good, but even it suffers from -ENOREADMIND |
| 06:01.16 | nevyn | right. |
| 06:01.59 | Morzain | nevyn: thank you for all the help you've given me thus far, I've gotta hit the sack unfortunately though |
| 06:02.03 | Viking667 | ... whereas I can ask a straight text question in here and not get -EPARSE from people. |
| 06:02.06 | nevyn | Morzain: night. |
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| 06:02.15 | nsadmin | nevyn, that's a good point... needing a "timely answer" for a theme change is interesting |
| 06:02.33 | Viking667 | timely being some time in the next erm, half hour. |
| 06:02.56 | nsadmin | that may or may not happen |
| 06:03.36 | nevyn | that's an unrealistic expectation. for a "wishlist" level requirement in my view |
| 06:04.05 | nevyn | particularly of a volunteer distribution with volunteer support |
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| 06:04.46 | nevyn | half hour responses to that sort of stuff is unheard of. (except in free software sometimes) |
| 06:04.52 | Viking667 | sometimes. |
| 06:05.20 | Viking667 | put it this way, I've already spent something like four hours of poking-around time trying to find what I want. |
| 06:05.29 | nsadmin | I hope you do get the answer you want, in the time you're required to get it. and, that may require you to find your own answers by reading the documentation on the internals of themes and how these things fit together, and looking at how things are fitting together now and then changing it yourself for what you want |
| 06:06.51 | Viking667 | nsadmin: someone suggested gnome-tweak-tool |
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| 06:07.43 | nsadmin | give it a shot after backing up all files that tool might change (check the docs for that info) |
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| 06:08.57 | Morzain | nevyn: I think I just realized I was doing something stupid |
| 06:08.59 | Viking667 | well, the issue is, I don't know where the documentation is held for what I want. |
| 06:09.04 | nsadmin | I mean, seriously. file formats in gnome are not documented by THIS time? |
| 06:09.08 | nevyn | Morzain: not root? |
| 06:09.21 | Viking667 | Simply put, I want to change a desktop theme, and alter the width of a window border. |
| 06:10.03 | Morzain | I have a awesome logitech wireless mouse, but the bluetooth adapter is lost to the wind. I was given this crappy microsoft bluetooth mouse and I assumed the bluetooth adapter would just act like a bluetooth adapter.... |
| 06:10.30 | Morzain | could be thats the problem |
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| 06:11.41 | nsadmin | Morzain, separate the behavior you want from "act like a bluetooth adapter" |
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| 06:12.23 | nsadmin | when you make that separation, that opens you to other ways to get the behavior you want |
| 06:12.25 | Dulak | Viking667: worst case you can just get some themes installed and look at how they do things |
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| 06:13.00 | Viking667 | Dulak: that wasn't the problem I had. My problem was that I had no way to SELECT a theme. there wasn't an obvious tool to change that |
| 06:13.05 | nevyn | Morzain: oh that's detailed in the url I sent |
| 06:13.14 | Viking667 | ... until I found out abotu the gnome-tweak thing. |
| 06:13.15 | Morzain | nsadmin: I can't get it to show up with hcitool scan, or as a hciconfig hci0 device, even though it shows up in dmesg as a bluetooth device, a HID device. I am thinking it is possible it will only act as a HID device and I have to go about it that way |
| 06:13.34 | Morzain | but I am just now learning about bluetooth lol |
| 06:13.39 | Morzain | in the way it really works |
| 06:13.43 | nevyn | Morzain: more likely you have to poke the bluetooth adapter into be an adapter mode |
| 06:14.02 | Morzain | yeah the instructions for doing that mention hci0 already though |
| 06:14.30 | Morzain | I dunno I'll read more about it tomorrow lol |
| 06:14.31 | nsadmin | Morzain, the last time I had to start using a bluetooth, I had to engage in a pairing and authentication activity |
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| 06:14.52 | nevyn | ok |
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| 06:15.02 | Dulak | Viking667: in gnome 2 it's system -> Preferences -> Appearance -> theme tab |
| 06:16.21 | Viking667 | as you probably figured out, I'm not in gnome 2 |
| 06:16.51 | Dulak | Yeah right as I hit enter I thought 'well obviously this is too easy if he spent 4 hours looking...' |
| 06:17.06 | Dulak | But you can't undo the enter button on irc. |
| 06:17.15 | nsadmin | Viking667, had you mentioned which gnome you're using? |
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| 06:17.44 | Viking667 | wheezy distributes with gnome3 by default, doesn't it? |
| 06:18.00 | nsadmin | dunno, I don't run wheezy |
| 06:18.14 | Viking667 | oh, I hadn't mentioned wheezy _in_ here... |
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| 06:19.34 | nsadmin | aha... it's a point of communication in that taking 100% responsibility for both sides of it will ensure that everyone is on the same page and absolutely knows what that page is |
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| 06:20.03 | Viking667 | yeah. I thought I'd mentioned it... I had, but not in this channel. |
| 06:20.51 | Viking667 | anyhow, now gnome-tweak-tool is in, I'll start it up and see what it exposes. |
| 06:21.11 | nevyn | Viking667: #debian-next btw |
| 06:21.29 | Dulak | Isn't debian-next on another server? |
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| 06:21.34 | Viking667 | And I only have two menus... Applications, and Places. In the Applications menu, I have a System-Settings, but there's nothing there relating to the desktop except for setting the background |
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| 06:27.46 | Viking667 | Well, I tried going to #debian-next but got punted out. |
| 06:28.11 | nsadmin | how did that happen? |
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| 06:29.08 | Viking667 | wasn't invited. |
| 06:29.10 | nevyn | Dulak: oh.. yeah it's on oftc |
| 06:29.11 | cardamon | Anyone play with synergy? |
| 06:29.14 | Viking667 | ... or so my client tells me. |
| 06:29.20 | Viking667 | yeah, I've played wit synergy |
| 06:29.20 | nevyn | forgets as he's just on both networks. |
| 06:30.04 | cardamon | Does the server have to be the one with the keyboard/mouse? |
| 06:30.10 | Viking667 | yes. |
| 06:30.15 | cardamon | Nuts. |
| 06:30.19 | Viking667 | the rest are clients. |
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| 06:30.58 | Dulak | I run synergy on my openvpn, I love freaking my wife out by controlling the mouse from the other room when she is on the desktop. |
| 06:31.25 | Viking667 | that'd really really cheese my wife. |
| 06:31.54 | Viking667 | ... though I had fun with my nephews and a friend once... opened the cdrom drawer on him, he couldn't figure out how I'd done it. |
| 06:31.55 | nsadmin | you could be curious with her wife and ask what her experience is at the moment she sees the mouse move |
| 06:32.04 | Viking667 | oh hah. |
| 06:32.28 | Dulak | Oh she will scream bloody murder when I do it, I know exactly what her experience is. |
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| 06:32.50 | Viking667 | yeah. As I said, mine wouldn't be impresesd. |
| 06:33.08 | nsadmin | so she'll scream... but are you curious to know her experience?\ |
| 06:33.40 | Dulak | The fact that she has to change the keyboard layout on my computers to use it also makes her get upset. One click to fix the keyboard but she will bitch about it for 20 minutes everytime. |
| 06:34.21 | nsadmin | does she use her login? |
| 06:34.47 | Dulak | Nope, she won't relog, or even let me give her a second laptop. |
| 06:34.52 | Viking667 | I have almost the same trouble. |
| 06:35.23 | Viking667 | I got around that by leaving the second computer permanently as hers. I don't do anything much on it except occasional package maintenance. |
| 06:35.35 | Viking667 | the first computer (and third and fourth) are mine... |
| 06:35.42 | Dulak | I personally think she prefers to have something she can gripe at me about that is a non-issue. |
| 06:36.06 | nsadmin | admittedly, the two things are very separate... what her experience is versus how unixalikes are organized to have separate settings per user |
| 06:36.42 | nsadmin | Dulak, that would be another thing that could arise as natural curiousity |
| 06:36.51 | Viking667 | If she logs into a machine where she has a separate home directory, her settings should be her settings. |
| 06:37.26 | Viking667 | but I don't get what the issue is. Is she just hopping onto the ocmputer and expecting a win98-like experience? |
| 06:37.51 | cardamon | Any idea how to get my wireless nic's mac address? |
| 06:37.53 | nsadmin | another curiousity point. |
| 06:38.12 | Dulak | Yes, I have a login for her, but she won't relog, she just uses my login and then complains about it. Almost everyday. I have gotten to the point where I just laugh about it, and that gets her more angry. You'd think if it was really an issue she would take the 5 seconds it takes to relog or switch users, but nope. |
| 06:38.15 | Viking667 | cardamon: ifconfig should show it. |
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| 06:38.42 | Viking667 | Dulak: you know what I'd do? Every time you leave the keyboard, log out. Force her to log it. |
| 06:38.45 | Viking667 | in. |
| 06:38.56 | Viking667 | oh gawd... not nickchangers |
| 06:39.18 | nsadmin | precursor. |
| 06:39.34 | MightyTravis026 | i am in an argument with my friend jayden. he thinks dat the xbox360 is a better system then the wii, and i think he is wrong. what do u think? well if u think that i am rite and he is wrong den just say that i am so i can show jayden and show him who is boss. i mean come on zelda mario metroid is far better than gaylo fatten or biolame. FUCK XBOX! GO WII! |
| 06:39.37 | Dulak | I should start doing that. See if she logs in as her or me. |
| 06:39.49 | cardamon | Viking667: It did not. |
| 06:39.50 | Viking667 | does she know your password? |
| 06:40.06 | Dulak | Viking667: of course, otherwise she wouldn't be able to unlock the screen |
| 06:40.06 | Viking667 | cardamon: strange. Mine does. |
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| 06:40.41 | MightyTravis026 | anyone |
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| 06:40.47 | Viking667 | eth1 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:0c:f1:2c:3d:dc <<< That's what I've got on my wireless connection (ifconfig output) |
| 06:40.49 | MightyTravis026 | come on my friend jayden is being dumb |
| 06:40.54 | Dulak | cardamon: ifconfig wlan0: wlan0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:12:17:83:77:a1 |
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| 06:41.15 | Dulak | MightyTravis026: you really need to learn to troll better kid. |
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| 06:41.51 | nsadmin | don't feed, just report with maximum effectiveness then ignore |
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| 06:46.15 | Viking667 | I just ignored |
| 06:46.31 | Viking667 | given I don't know who the hell to report him/it to. |
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| 06:50.21 | nsadmin | two things... their ISP and #freenode |
| 06:50.41 | nsadmin | the latter should already be aware of them |
| 06:51.41 | cardamon_ | The msg spam? |
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| 06:52.33 | nsadmin | yeah, it boils down to a mass invite |
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| 06:53.59 | henkm | Guess weechat filters are quite clever ... I didn't see anything apart from a moronic statement about xbox/wii |
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| 06:54.21 | achpile | Hi all. Could you tell me please where I can find libjansson package (source or .deb) |
| 06:54.31 | Viking667 | I got the previous blather too. |
| 06:55.03 | nsadmin | !ops MightyTravis026 messaging without permission |
| 06:55.03 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: nsadmin complains about: MightyTravis026 messaging without permission |
| 06:55.38 | Viking667 | and me. |
| 06:56.05 | Daniel_17 | Yo! Is it possible to send any custom input that is asked before i run the program? Say, I have a program that asks for my name, but will not accept parameters, but I dont want to wait for it to be ready for input. something like "./ask-name.sh < Daniel" |
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| 06:58.09 | Daniel_17 | !ops MightyTravis026 messaging without permission |
| 06:58.09 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: daniel_17 complains about: MightyTravis026 messaging without permission |
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| 06:58.55 | LoRez | not msging me |
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| 06:59.08 | epsilon | test |
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| 06:59.20 | streuner_ | not me yet |
| 06:59.28 | epsilon | me2 |
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| 07:00.49 | epsilon | oh now from Dookie_Tinkle_Br |
| 07:01.32 | LoRez | whut? |
| 07:01.44 | epsilon | - MightyTravis026 is now known as Dookie_Tinkle_Br. |
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| 07:02.20 | Viking667 | foo. accidentally closed the whole twin session |
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| 07:02.32 | streuner_ | Diarrhea_Toilet_: Are you a bot? |
| 07:02.33 | Viking667 | can't someone get rid of that nick changer? |
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| 07:02.40 | Viking667 | yes, I'd say it is. |
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| 07:02.41 | epsilon | yea, kick that guy, hes spamming |
| 07:02.52 | jayne | still? |
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| 07:04.30 | streuner_ | oh, it message me too now :-) |
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| 07:06.33 | streuner_ | LoRez: please look at the message from me, nickchanger is prolly a spambot... |
| 07:06.49 | streuner_ | most likely :-) |
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| 07:08.30 | streuner_ | LoRez: thanks |
| 07:08.30 | Viking667 | Oh, GOOD one! |
| 07:08.55 | Viking667 | only problem now will be if he comes on with another IP. |
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| 07:22.35 | Pinchiukas | Where should I put my virtual hosts for apache? Or rathat where does the Debian philosophy imply I will want to put them? |
| 07:22.45 | jmd | Why are there no logs for i386 builds? |
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| 07:24.20 | nevyn | Pinchiukas: /etc/apache/conf.d/myvirtual.blah I think check the userguide |
| 07:24.28 | nevyn | Pinchiukas: it's something like that. |
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| 07:25.28 | klys | jmd: were you jm? |
| 07:26.24 | dax | Pinchiukas: /etc/apache2/sites-available/foo, then use a2ensite |
| 07:26.54 | klys | no, he's jm____ |
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| 07:27.54 | nevyn | Pinchiukas: maybe /usr/share/doc/apache2/blah |
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| 07:28.32 | Pinchiukas | nevyn, dax: I'm talking about the website files themselves. |
| 07:28.51 | dax | Pinchiukas: ah. I use a subdirectory of /var/www/, personally |
| 07:29.16 | Pinchiukas | I guess I should too. www-data homedir is /var/www. |
| 07:29.25 | nevyn | /srv/apache/blah is fhs ;) |
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| 07:29.38 | nevyn | always hated /var/www and /home/httpd |
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| 07:30.23 | Pinchiukas | This is more of a distro-specific descision, I guess. |
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| 07:32.41 | nsadmin | well you can use the tools and the packaging, and use these default locations... or build everything and also set it up yourself |
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| 07:34.58 | Pinchiukas | What on earth are you talking about? |
| 07:35.19 | nsadmin | ahh, newbie... |
| 07:36.40 | nevyn | you don't have to use /var/www if you're creating a vhost you can point docroot wherevere you like |
| 07:36.56 | nsadmin | building everything means you would use gcc/make/build tools to create executables of the servers and related programs |
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| 07:40.06 | jmd | klys: I am /me |
| 07:40.19 | nsadmin | is I |
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| 07:41.29 | nevyn | somebody else is zathrus. have very sad live probably have very sad death but at least there is symetry |
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| 07:42.07 | nevyn | s/live/life/g |
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| 07:44.29 | klys | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:49.19 | deego | This is a stock woody install, ext3, etc. |
| 07:49.25 | deego | s/woody/squeeze, sorry. |
| 07:49.31 | deego | Why do I have so many xfsdatad's running? |
| 07:49.38 | deego | I don't have any xfs fs. |
| 07:50.00 | deego | I did choose ext3 for tmp, usr, etc. |
| 07:50.13 | somiaj | deego: what do you mean stock? what sort of tasks did you chose during the end of the install? |
| 07:50.17 | klys | I came up with a trick to build individual modules: mv .config config; cat config | sed 's/=m/=n/' > .config; echo select one module; make menuconfig; make modules |
| 07:50.24 | nsadmin | you should find out how they got started |
| 07:50.51 | deego | somiaj: Just desktop. |
| 07:51.01 | deego | somiaj: ps -ef | grep -i xfs shows a lot of things like these: |
| 07:51.11 | deego | root 21308 2 0 Feb22 ? 00:00:00 [xfsdatad/1] |
| 07:51.20 | klys | ~modpost |
| 07:51.40 | klys | ~modpost is mv .config config; cat config | sed 's/=m/=n/' > .config; echo select one module; make menuconfig; make modules |
| 07:51.40 | apt | okay, klys |
| 07:51.56 | deego | somiaj: And, just to confirm, 'mount' only shows ext3 systems. |
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| 07:53.00 | nsadmin | klys, there's this thing called make-kpkg |
| 07:53.02 | jelly-home | klys: what's that factoid supposed to be useful for |
| 07:53.32 | klys | building a .ko file |
| 07:54.10 | lasers | Hi. How do I build LIRC_MODULES="atiusb"? I installed lirc-modules-source and does not know what to do next. |
| 07:54.24 | nevyn | !make-kpkg |
| 07:54.25 | dpkg | it has been said that make-kpkg is the tool that you use for compiling the kernel the Debian Way (tm). It makes a package for your custom kernel which you can install and remove easily using dpkg. See http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-kernel.html , man make-kpkg and ask me about <kernel compile> <kp mantra> <kernel build-deps>. |
| 07:54.45 | jelly-home | klys: changing the config would change dependencies for that module, possibly making it useless on the current kernel |
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| 07:54.51 | nevyn | so make deb-pkg is apparently the new black for new kernels. |
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| 07:55.25 | nsadmin | something wrong with make-kpkg? |
| 07:55.59 | klys | jelly-home, from experience I can say this is nothing to worry about. |
| 07:56.22 | nevyn | nsadmin: space consumption was the big one. |
| 07:56.38 | jelly-home | klys: alright then, be aware that apt is the backup bot, and dpkg has an up to date database |
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| 07:57.12 | nevyn | nsadmin: in that finding 18gb of disk for a kernel compile on a 120gig laptop was.. tricky |
| 07:57.48 | nevyn | make deb-pkg is in the mainline kernel complies with policy and is way faster than make-kpkg |
| 07:58.33 | lasers | I don't know what make-kpkg is. I'm installing it now. Thank you, nevyn. |
| 07:58.50 | jelly-home | !tell lasers about m-a |
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| 07:59.03 | nevyn | nsadmin: ref: http://lists.debian.org/debian-kernel/2011/07/msg00268.html |
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| 07:59.36 | lasers | I don't want to get lost. What do I want? make-kpkg or module-assistant? |
| 07:59.41 | lasers | Which* |
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| 08:00.08 | lasers | Or is that similar to apt-get (or) aptitude? |
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| 08:00.15 | nevyn | lasers: you want module-assistant |
| 08:00.40 | nevyn | lasers: you do not want make-kpkg unless you want to build a complete custom kernel from source |
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| 08:01.07 | nevyn | !modules |
| 08:01.07 | dpkg | methinks module is a driver for a device (a part of a kernel) which can be dynamically loaded/unloaded. Ask me about <modprobe>. To compile modules available in Debian module source packages, ask me about <module-assistant>. http://wiki.debian.org/Modules |
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| 08:01.17 | nevyn | !module-assistant |
| 08:01.18 | dpkg | module-assistant is a tool helping to build additional (kernel) module packages - from Debian module source packages - and install them. "aptitude install module-assistant". See usage examples at http://wiki.debian.org/ModuleAssistant . Log files from successful (and unsuccessful!) builds can be found in /var/cache/modass/ |
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| 08:04.51 | The_MEk | hi all! can anybody help me with ldap client setup? |
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| 08:05.38 | klys | as a client to what? PAM? |
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| 08:06.12 | nevyn | nss |
| 08:06.16 | nevyn | ;-P |
| 08:06.24 | lasers | Build of the package lirc-modules-source failed! How do you wish to proceed?" :( |
| 08:06.27 | The_MEk | i think its pam |
| 08:06.40 | nevyn | lasers: did you do the prepare bit? |
| 08:06.48 | klys | pam-nss ? |
| 08:06.55 | The_MEk | i've install ldapd as its recommended by wiki |
| 08:07.22 | lasers | nevyn: Yes. I installed, prepared, update, m-a a-i lirc-modules-source |
| 08:07.30 | The_MEk | i can see users, groups, but not list of users in group |
| 08:08.18 | The_MEk | by command getent passwd i see list of all ldap users |
| 08:08.51 | The_MEk | getent group give me list of groups but not show users in it |
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| 08:09.21 | nevyn | The_MEk: does id user work? |
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| 08:09.42 | The_MEk | ldap server i built on suse and suse desktops works fine with it |
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| 08:10.46 | klys | apt-get install libpam-ldap |
| 08:10.52 | The_MEk | id user show only one group |
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| 08:12.11 | The_MEk | libpam-ldap is already installed |
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| 08:14.40 | klys | cp -i /usr/share/pam-configs/ldap /etc/pam.d |
| 08:15.22 | klys | emacs /etc/pam.d |
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| 08:17.14 | lasers | nevyn: Any suggestions? I don't need all modules, only atiusb. |
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| 08:17.42 | klys | lsmod |
| 08:17.49 | nevyn | lasers: run m-a |
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| 08:18.03 | nevyn | use the menu to build and see where it fails? |
| 08:18.09 | nevyn | lasers: is your kernel current? |
| 08:18.24 | nevyn | does your -headers package still exist (did you install it) |
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| 08:18.32 | lasers | Linux mia 2.6.32-5-amd64 #1 SMP Mon Jan 16 16:22:28 UTC 2012 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 08:18.52 | nevyn | lasers: is there a 2.6.32-5-headers package? |
| 08:19.26 | jelly-home | nevyn: ITYM linux-headers-2.6.32-5-amd64 |
| 08:19.34 | lasers | i linux-headers-2.6.32-5-amd64 - Header files for Linux 2.6.32-5-amd64 |
| 08:19.34 | nevyn | yeah I do |
| 08:19.44 | jelly-home | and that's what m-a prepare steps is supposed to take care of |
| 08:19.51 | nevyn | right. |
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| 08:20.49 | lasers | nevyn: it's installed. (the letter i above) |
| 08:21.00 | nevyn | so that bit's fine |
| 08:21.09 | nevyn | what happens when you try m-a and select build? |
| 08:21.45 | terr_ | this system is killing firfox because of an out of memory situation. I'm trying to figure out what is going on. I have 2 copies of xpdf running, 7 copies of gnome terminal and this irc client and I'm starting firefox. Top says that of 994888KB of swap that 711748 is used! 283140KB free.. ad to that 329853 KB of free ram out of 642036KB total |
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| 08:22.12 | lasers | nevyn: Same thing. I can view log or skip (and continue) or stop. |
| 08:22.20 | nevyn | so view-log.. |
| 08:22.35 | terr_ | Next firefox has been comming up with an unresponsive script message every time I start it... however this time Its still sitting at the "reload session" prompt. So what scripts could it be talkign about? |
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| 08:25.07 | terr_ | is there some way to find out what is using swap? swapon doesn't seem to help much |
| 08:25.10 | craigevil | terr_, firefox or iceweasel? either way have you tried starting it in safemode, or set the start page to a blank page |
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| 08:26.42 | terr_ | craigevil: no... I want to reload what I was working on. The thing is there is NOTHING in this system to account for that much swap in use |
| 08:26.43 | klys | terr: top |
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| 08:28.07 | lasers | nevyn: It's hard to view log. It kept doing something. I scrolled down… and (the screen changes) |
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| 08:28.19 | nevyn | hrm pastebin? |
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| 08:30.27 | terr_ | craigevil: top says XFree86 has 15% of the memory. 759m VIRT couild that be it? |
| 08:30.51 | nevyn | how big is your videocard? |
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| 08:31.07 | lasers | nevyn: Does m-a keep logs somewhere? |
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| 08:31.29 | nevyn | yes don't know where tho |
| 08:31.39 | klys | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:31.46 | jelly-home | m-a factoid tells you where |
| 08:33.27 | craigevil | terr_, XFree86? What distro, release are you running? |
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| 08:34.08 | terr_ | craigevil: sarge! I need to upgrade. I have the new puter build but I've had to drop it because I've had a cold for a couple weeks |
| 08:34.32 | lasers | jelly-home: Ty. |
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| 08:34.49 | terr_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:35.00 | jelly-home | terr_: that's a bit dated! |
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| 08:35.11 | terr_ | THis must be saying XFree has grabbed all the virtual memory |
| 08:35.18 | lasers | nevyn: http://pastebin.com/CBvyEwPG |
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| 08:35.36 | terr_ | jelly-home: ya... I know. But this one's been doing the job for hte most part |
| 08:35.44 | nevyn | terr_: how much ramis on your videocard? |
| 08:35.47 | jelly-home | terr_: it's probably easier to make a new installation than to do all the upgrades from sarge -> etch -> lenny -> squeeze |
| 08:35.49 | klys | whet can you think of that doesn't run on sarge? |
| 08:36.02 | terr_ | jelly-home: I'm doing a fresh install. |
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| 08:36.17 | VanDerSpar | Hello |
| 08:36.21 | terr_ | nevyn: I don't know... like 4 MB on each card... dual matrox milliniums |
| 08:36.49 | VanDerSpar | Does anyone in here know how to mount an NFS from a NAS configured by windows, to a debian machine? |
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| 08:37.02 | terr_ | jelly-home: sarge is borken in this machine. I'm not going to try to upgrade it. I'm starting fresh in a new box. |
| 08:37.20 | jelly-home | terr_: nod. |
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| 08:37.44 | terr_ | Am I interpresting top correctly? VIRT = 759m means its taken just about everyting in htis box? |
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| 08:38.00 | klys | there isn't really nfs for dos. just ncpfs. |
| 08:38.18 | terr_ | jelly-home: sarge broken when I tried to upgraed from woody. I didn't have a spare box at the time. I do now |
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| 08:38.57 | VanDerSpar | Well. It's basically just a share from windows. But I was told to mount it as NFS on this debian machine, and I have no idea how |
| 08:39.03 | VanDerSpar | Also, there's authentication on it |
| 08:39.17 | VanDerSpar | Tried something like this: sudo mount -t nfs //192.168.0.58:/asm/PythonSQL /tmp |
| 08:39.28 | VanDerSpar | Didn't work out too well |
| 08:39.39 | jelly-home | terr_: X server has unusual memory mappings since it maps the address space with video RAM, so VSZ (VIRT) can look huge even when it has not really allocated that much |
| 08:40.01 | klys | mount -t nfs 192.168.0.58:/asm/PythonSQL /tmp |
| 08:40.09 | VanDerSpar | Without the //? |
| 08:40.14 | jelly-home | terr_: 96M is the actual amount of private memory it's using |
| 08:40.17 | klys | yes |
| 08:40.28 | terr_ | jelly-home: I'm loading firefox now. Since I;m not seeing huge pressure what you saya mkes sense |
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| 08:40.50 | jelly-home | VanDerSpar: correct, //host/foo is samba syntax, host:/path is nfs |
| 08:41.23 | jelly-home | VanDerSpar: can you see the share with "showmount -e 192.168.0.58" command |
| 08:41.54 | jelly-home | VanDerSpar: also, do NOT mount things over /tmp |
| 08:42.36 | VanDerSpar | Hmm... I tried w/o the //, and I'm not sure if it's working on anything. There's basically just black lines, where I can use ctrl+c |
| 08:42.51 | VanDerSpar | And what's wrong with mounting it over /tmp? |
| 08:42.58 | klys | mount -t nfs 192.168.0.58:/asm/PythonSQL /mnt |
| 08:43.06 | terr_ | jelly-home: as firefox loads in the free swap has increased. |
| 08:43.06 | VanDerSpar | It's for temporary files anyway |
| 08:43.13 | jelly-home | VanDerSpar: it will break all the apps that try to use /tmp |
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| 08:44.30 | klys | ping 192.168.0.58 |
| 08:44.45 | VanDerSpar | Alright. Then I might want to dismount and remount a drive, I think. Mounted a 50 gig on the /tmp on some machine |
| 08:44.57 | VanDerSpar | 50 gig drive, that is |
| 08:45.11 | lasers | nevyn: I think lirc-modules-source is either bad or outdated? |
| 08:45.33 | terr_ | VanDerSpar: can youjust mount a directory in? loop back? |
| 08:45.40 | VanDerSpar | There's response if I ping it |
| 08:45.48 | jelly-home | VanDerSpar: use /mnt or make subdirectories under /mnt and use them as mount point if you need multiple remote shares mounted |
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| 08:46.00 | klys | exportfs -ra |
| 08:46.06 | VanDerSpar | I really only need one for now |
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| 08:46.24 | jelly-home | VanDerSpar: if you do not see anything with showmount, you won't be able to mount it, either |
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| 08:46.47 | nsadmin | VanDerSpar, this 192.168.0.58, can you watch its logs? |
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| 08:47.28 | VanDerSpar | Well. With showmount, there's not really anything but black lines. Nothing like error messages, or messages of succeed |
| 08:47.30 | nsadmin | maybe the server log will say something more verbose so you can tell what's going in |
| 08:47.34 | nsadmin | on |
| 08:47.38 | VanDerSpar | I'm afarid not, nsadmin |
| 08:47.52 | nsadmin | what have you tried? |
| 08:48.09 | nsadmin | on the client, what message do you get? |
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| 08:48.32 | klys | what is the directory exported as? |
| 08:48.44 | nsadmin | that's a good q too |
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| 08:49.50 | bigio | hallo |
| 08:49.55 | klys | hil |
| 08:50.03 | bigio | !lista |
| 08:50.05 | VanDerSpar | I'm getting no messages. I do not have access to the NAS settings, just to access the contents via authentication in Windows. I tried "showmount -e 192.168.0.58" and " sudo mount -t nfs //192.168.0.58:/asm/PythonSQL /tmp |
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| 08:50.48 | nsadmin | bigio, get lots and lots of software! start your software collection today! www.debian.org |
| 08:50.54 | klys | you're still trying to use UNC // |
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| 08:51.14 | VanDerSpar | Oh. I didn't mean to type // |
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| 08:51.38 | VanDerSpar | Just pasted the content of the clipboard |
| 08:51.47 | VanDerSpar | Tried without the UNC // |
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| 08:52.52 | nsadmin | VanDerSpar show the exports line that refers to the thing you want to mount |
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| 08:53.41 | VanDerSpar | Oh. showmount -e 192.168.0.58 returns command not found |
| 08:53.49 | klys | what is the directory exported as? |
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| 08:54.27 | VanDerSpar | I gotta say, I do not exactly understand that question. Quite new to linux and this in general |
| 08:55.06 | klys | this question and `exportfs -ra' were directed to your server. |
| 08:55.23 | VanDerSpar | I try exportfs -ra |
| 08:55.29 | nsadmin | VanDerSpar show the exports line that refers to the thing you want to mount |
| 08:56.04 | nsadmin | nfs was not easy when I first tried to get it working |
| 08:56.16 | nsadmin | look in /etc/exports on the server |
| 08:56.21 | nsadmin | .58 I gues |
| 08:56.21 | nsadmin | s |
| 08:56.50 | VanDerSpar | Sorry. Forgot to use sudo at the showmount -e thing |
| 08:56.50 | hid3 | Hello everyone. How do I blacklist/prevent autoloading certain kernel modules in Squeeze? |
| 08:56.55 | VanDerSpar | There's nothing on the export list |
| 08:57.11 | nsadmin | hmm. that could be why it's not exporting |
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| 08:57.47 | klys | PgUp |
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| 09:01.07 | hid3 | Anyone? |
| 09:01.22 | jelly-home | hid3: /msg dpkg blacklist |
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| 09:03.29 | hid3 | Thanks |
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| 09:13.26 | hid3 | Okay, I'm using dmraid, and when I do `update-initramfs -u`, it says: /dev/mapper/asr_raidp1: No such file or directory . Altghough this is my root partition. Any ideas how to fix it? |
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| 09:16.30 | useless-eater | anyone remeber the name of the tool that scans for big files on the disc? |
| 09:16.46 | nsadmin | find |
| 09:16.48 | VanDerSpar | Yeah. Huh. I don't have an /etc/exports |
| 09:17.13 | useless-eater | VanDerSpar: install nfs-kernel-server :) |
| 09:17.53 | useless-eater | nfs <3 |
| 09:19.28 | VanDerSpar | E: Unable to fetch some archives, maybe run apt-get update or try with --fix-missing? |
| 09:19.31 | VanDerSpar | How annoying |
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| 09:20.08 | useless-eater | apt-get update should fix it. |
| 09:21.37 | VanDerSpar | So I installed it. Still no /etc/exports, it seems xd' |
| 09:21.47 | VanDerSpar | Oh, yeah |
| 09:21.49 | VanDerSpar | There it wa |
| 09:21.50 | VanDerSpar | was* |
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| 09:25.36 | lcc | how can I obtain gpg keys to verify SHA512SUMs of iso images? |
| 09:26.40 | nsadmin | VanDerSpar, this experience you're having is not too bad of an example of what you'll experience when you have to learn about a somewhat complex system |
| 09:27.01 | VanDerSpar | Glad to hear .-. |
| 09:27.03 | lcc | I'm using ubuntu |
| 09:28.12 | VanDerSpar | As if it didn't take me enough time to understand LDAP. But well. My boss will probably take over when it takes too long, as I'm nothing but an apprentice |
| 09:28.12 | nsadmin | lcc, to install ubuntu packages? probably folks here won't know... try #ubuntu |
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| 09:28.51 | nsadmin | VanDerSpar, consider this training. |
| 09:29.00 | VanDerSpar | I am |
| 09:29.11 | VanDerSpar | do* |
| 09:30.49 | nsadmin | you mentioned before you're new to linux/unix... does that include with the command line interpreter (aka shell)? |
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| 09:31.18 | nsadmin | also you'll want to write a "lab report" for the nfs stuff to hold onto |
| 09:31.41 | VanDerSpar | Well. Everything is relative, but there's certainly a lot I need to get on the back. |
| 09:32.03 | nsadmin | yes I understand/realize that |
| 09:32.05 | VanDerSpar | Trust me, I'm doing a lot documentation |
| 09:32.25 | VanDerSpar | But I do know the most basic, I should mean. |
| 09:32.26 | nsadmin | you'll want to remember for next time |
| 09:32.56 | VanDerSpar | Well. It's a production server, so I would need to make the documentation as clear as possible anyway. |
| 09:33.03 | VanDerSpar | Or going to be one |
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| 09:34.23 | nsadmin | one thing, the command line interpreter has a lot of expressiveness, and you'll want to get familiar with what you can do in it |
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| 09:35.04 | nsadmin | and you might decide to learn other scripting languages (as the language recognized by the command line interpreter is) |
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| 09:40.54 | lcc | nsadmin: no, I'm downloading a debian iso on ubuntu, because I'm switching from ubuntu to debian, and I want to verify the SHA512SUM of the iso. |
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| 09:46.25 | useless-eater | lcc: sha512sum nameofiso.iso ? |
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| 09:47.39 | lcc | useless-eater: yes, but I want to gpg verify the SHA512SUM.sign file |
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| 09:54.03 | lcc | I figured it out. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VerifyIsoHowto |
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| 09:54.12 | lcc | this works for debian also, using keyring.debian.org |
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| 10:09.03 | zhug | Hi! where can I read the debians sources with installing e g libc-dev ? |
| 10:11.05 | cian1500ww | I've formatted and repartioned a hard drive and made a new ext4 filesystem on it but when I mount it, it says that it has 7.1GB used, how is that possible? |
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| 10:20.28 | klys | cian1500ww: for inodes on a large hdd |
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| 10:28.11 | dikabo | I have to deal with filenames containing spaces in a shell script. I have this line: |
| 10:28.19 | dikabo | stat -c "%i;%n" "$(readlink -e "$filename")" |
| 10:28.23 | dikabo | AFAIK (e.g. from BashFAQ #20) variables which contain file names should be surrounded with double quotes.But as you see, nested quoting is necessary here, which seems to fail. Any solutions? |
| 10:29.10 | robokop | dikabo: use single quotes too, or escape the quotes |
| 10:30.30 | cian1500ww | klys: It's a 500GB drive, df shows 7.1G used |
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| 10:34.34 | sephii | I'm looking for a suggestion for a backup system on a laptop, which has an USB external backup disk plugged most of the time. Anyone? |
| 10:35.45 | dikabo | robokop: using single quotes seems to fail, too: |
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| 10:36.58 | dikabo | $ file=file\ with\ spaces; echo "$(echo '$file')" |
| 10:37.04 | dikabo | $ $file |
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| 10:37.20 | LnxBil | Hi everyone! |
| 10:38.02 | babilen | sephii: I currently use dirvish and am quite happy with it. I do, however, plan to investigate burp and obnam, but haven't got around to that yet. Other options include but are not limited to: rsnapshot (not good in my opinion for intermittent backups), rdiff-backup, backuppc (a lot of people like this), … |
| 10:38.20 | nsadmin | dikabo, that's about the shell quoting rules |
| 10:38.33 | LnxBil | I'm fiddling around with preseed and netboot, and I'm suprised that e.g. netcfg/get_hostname ony works if I append it to the kernel command line, yet it doen't work if I write it in the preseed file (according to the documentation). Any ideas? |
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| 10:40.44 | habo | hi. is this the right channel for questions about: how to make your own debian package with dpkg-buildpackage ? |
| 10:41.20 | sephii | babilen: I already tried rsnapshot but it took ages to make a single backup, even an incremental one. I'm currently trying backuppc but it doesn't seem targeted to my use case (I'd like to have different directories backed up at different intervals) and I have strange permission issues with it. I tried dar some time ago, which was really great (very fast) but file recovering was painful. Anyway, I'll take a look to the options you proposed, I never heard of t |
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| 10:49.04 | babilen | sephii: dirvish should meet your needs, but I recently stumbled over obnam (developed by liw (DD)) and burp -- Both seem to offer some interesting features, but I haven't found the time to play with them. If you happen to find something even better please let me know. I very much like to have "browsable" snapshots available instead of having to use a dedicated tool for recovery. |
| 10:49.31 | babilen | !tell habo -about mentors |
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| 10:49.44 | CoolCold | hello! |
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| 10:49.54 | CoolCold | guys i need help with pinning - http://paste.org.ru/?ioywc2 |
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| 10:50.16 | babilen | !tell CoolCold about dotdeb |
| 10:50.27 | themill | dotdeb :( |
| 10:50.29 | CoolCold | i can't understand why package is going to be DOWNGRADED if it's ping isn't above 1000 |
| 10:51.05 | babilen | CoolCold: Uhm, the information about backports is outdated in that factoid AFAIK as there are currently no php packages in bdo. |
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| 10:51.38 | calculon | hi, guys |
| 10:51.47 | CoolCold | babilen: my question is about pinning, not php ;) |
| 10:51.55 | calculon | how to get crontab working? |
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| 10:52.17 | calculon | nothing was help me |
| 10:52.35 | habo | babilen: tnx. another page with examples. will take a while for testing |
| 10:52.36 | CoolCold | i'm setting packages version to be the same across all servers, so created preferences file and is wondering about downgrade notice |
| 10:53.51 | babilen | habo: Sorry, I don't quite follow. I just wanted to make you aware of #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net (aka irc.debian.org) |
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| 10:55.22 | habo | babilen: it's ok. maybe i'll find the missing step on the mentors website |
| 10:55.42 | babilen | habo: Missing step to do what? |
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| 10:57.11 | lasers | Is debian.org running on Wheezy? .__. |
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| 10:57.49 | lasers | I asked because Apache/2.2.22 (Unix) Server at cdimage.debian.org Port 80 -- and Squeeze only have 2.2.16-6 |
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| 11:03.16 | PCR_9546 | Any help regarding overheating of laptop on debian ? |
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| 11:05.57 | PCR_9546 | Any help with overheating of laptops ? |
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| 11:06.00 | vlt | Hello. Since I updated mysql-server-5.1 to 5.1.61 I had to restart the daemon process several times already because it ran on 100% cpu load. Last night I even rebooted the whole machine but the problem still remains. What I do? |
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| 11:06.27 | vlt | What *can I do? |
| 11:06.33 | ksk | vlt: thinks like mysqladmin processlist - find out why |
| 11:06.58 | ksk | s/thinks/things |
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| 11:07.25 | z0ttel | hiho |
| 11:08.16 | z0ttel | Is it normal for ifup wlan roaming interfaces not to call hooks like pre-up/pre-down? |
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| 11:10.34 | z0ttel | http://npaste.de/gtx2/ <- the iptables part isn't called :-/ |
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| 11:12.01 | mentor | z0ttel: Are you sure your wlan-foo are getting called at all? |
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| 11:24.37 | z0ttel | mentor: the wlan0 interface is configured via dhcp |
| 11:24.51 | z0ttel | after I plug in the wlan usb stick |
| 11:25.07 | mentor | What happens if you remove the wlan-foo? |
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| 11:35.27 | Woet | i want to give my php scripts access to the mail log, is it recommended to add www-data to the group 'adm'? |
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| 11:36.46 | z0ttel | mentor: mh - will check that later - not at home right now and I'd loose access if it didn't work |
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| 11:37.16 | mentor | lose |
| 11:37.40 | auska | Hi! Does anyone knows how can i set the: "Options +Indexes" on a .htaccess for only one directory? Not for the hole host...? |
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| 11:38.09 | z0ttel | auska: you could have a .htaccess in that directory |
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| 11:39.00 | auska | z0ttel, but the problem is that is a folder that has folders on it, that have folders on it (an so on... ) I need 1 .htaccess for each folder...? |
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| 11:40.05 | z0ttel | mh - I'd have to google htaccess/apache rules for that - but shouldn't be a problem to match all subdirs and create special rules |
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| 11:40.41 | auska | I thought creating a .htaccess on the /folder/ with Options All +Indexes but will this not make a /2ndFolder/ being indexed to? |
| 11:40.49 | KM0201 | can anyone tell me a repository that has ushare available? |
| 11:40.58 | KM0201 | i'm a little surprised its not in the default squeeze repos |
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| 11:43.13 | habo | babilen: found it. i could not include the file /usr/local/bin/hello in the package, but with removing "dh_usrlocal" from debian/rules that step is solved and the package contains all files i wanted |
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| 11:44.18 | craigevil | KM0201, download the source http://ushare.geexbox.org/releases/ushare-1.1a.tar.bz2 and compile it :) |
| 11:44.29 | KM0201 | craigevil: i don't want to compile it... |
| 11:44.49 | KM0201 | i'm trying to put it on my server, and frankly, i'm a bit surprised its not in the repos. |
| 11:45.18 | craigevil | then you are out of luck AFAIK its not in any repo, if it was it would be on my Giant list |
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| 11:48.33 | thewanderer1 | is it normal that with KDE4 running, I have 554MB of RAM used? (yes, minus buffers/cache) is it supposed to be this heavy? |
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| 11:49.03 | thewanderer1 | also, I've noticed that I can't go beyond 100MB used, even if I telinit 1 |
| 11:49.57 | Woet | how is logrotate configured for sendmail? there is no logrotate.d/sendmail file. does it use the defaults in logrotate.conf? |
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| 11:50.10 | craigevil | thewanderer1, more or less yes,Memory: 635.0/2025.7MB this is on KDE4 in sid with firefox and xchat running |
| 11:51.10 | thewanderer1 | aha... so not so light and thin, anymore... |
| 11:51.48 | thewanderer1 | the 100MB used with just init and bash is somewhat worrying, though |
| 11:52.59 | wodim | how much RAM do you have |
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| 11:54.57 | thewanderer1 | 4GB |
| 11:55.10 | wodim | so why do you care about KDE using 0,5GB |
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| 11:55.21 | wodim | or the core system using 0,1 |
| 11:55.29 | KM0201 | oh well, back to ubuntu server. |
| 11:55.30 | thewanderer1 | because having much memory is not an excuse for programs being fat |
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| 11:55.38 | wodim | it is |
| 11:55.49 | petern_ | modern stuff is bloated, deal with it :( |
| 11:55.52 | wodim | you don't have the same memory you had back in kde 3 |
| 11:55.59 | wodim | old stuff was bloated as well |
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| 11:56.12 | wodim | maybe kde used 64MB and you had 256 |
| 11:56.16 | thewanderer1 | say I want to run 20 virtual machines with KDE each, that's the case where it could be a problem |
| 11:56.16 | wodim | or not? |
| 11:56.38 | wodim | what kind of schizophrenic would want to run 20 virtual machines |
| 11:56.42 | thewanderer1 | any tips on trimming the KDE down are welcome :P |
| 11:56.46 | KM0201 | lol |
| 11:57.02 | KM0201 | thewanderer1: it's very easy to trim KDE down... install lxde |
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| 11:58.30 | thewanderer1 | right :P |
| 11:58.46 | KM0201 | really |
| 11:58.53 | KM0201 | lxde is the sex. |
| 11:59.58 | wodim | specifically, the lack of |
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| 12:00.11 | KM0201 | lol |
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| 12:00.27 | KM0201 | you have to admit, it has a very sexy simplicity to it |
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| 12:01.04 | wodim | i don't use handicapped DEs |
| 12:01.13 | KM0201 | handicapped |
| 12:01.14 | KM0201 | ? |
| 12:01.15 | KM0201 | lol |
| 12:01.36 | KM0201 | KDE looks like something my 4th grade nephew sat down and drew up. |
| 12:01.50 | wodim | i don't use kde either, i have gnome, but meh |
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| 12:01.59 | KM0201 | i liked gnome 2.x |
| 12:02.04 | KM0201 | gnome 3 is awful |
| 12:02.05 | petern_ | also bloated :) |
| 12:02.14 | petern_ | i liked window maker |
| 12:02.15 | nsadmin | yay! |
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| 12:02.19 | wodim | i don't care about bloat, it does what i want it to do and even more |
| 12:02.20 | KM0201 | yeah, it is.. but.. it was a reasonable complication between bloat and usability. |
| 12:02.20 | nsadmin | err I mean boo! |
| 12:02.20 | petern_ | but i can't live without gvfs these days |
| 12:02.43 | KM0201 | so does anyhone know of a squeeze repo for Ushare |
| 12:02.47 | KM0201 | i can't believe it's not there as it is |
| 12:03.21 | thewanderer1 | looks like we're going to see massive migrations to Xfce and LXDE after Wheezy release... |
| 12:03.58 | KM0201 | thewanderer1: xfce4 is even a real letdown... it feels even more bloated than gnome 2.x to me |
| 12:04.10 | petern_ | nah, most people complain about it but still carry on using it because... you know, the features |
| 12:04.22 | petern_ | xfce4 used to be light |
| 12:04.32 | KM0201 | used--- is the operative word |
| 12:04.35 | petern_ | it's also disorganised |
| 12:04.40 | KM0201 | yup |
| 12:04.44 | petern_ | config settings seems random |
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| 12:05.36 | craigevil | KM0201, http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/7025/snapshot20.png my kde4 desktop |
| 12:05.56 | thewanderer1 | I might go back to GNOME3, but only after they decide that breaking compatibility with all existing desktops (notification area, task bar, window activity API) was a bad idea and revert that |
| 12:05.58 | KM0201 | i'd rather look at rosie o'donnell naked, then look at KDE |
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| 12:06.17 | nsadmin | when gnome first came around, there was this thing underlying it which I liked, something that controlled communication between apps... like, a panel with buttons that did stuff to another panel, etc |
| 12:06.37 | thewanderer1 | oh, and this fullscreen distraction-free bullcrap... where's my multitasking? O.o |
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| 12:06.51 | KM0201 | lol |
| 12:07.05 | nsadmin | when it came to using it, it was a little clunky |
| 12:07.56 | thewanderer1 | I really can't understand it - why remove a perfectly usable notification area and replace it with a bizarre API not compatible with any program out there? |
| 12:08.06 | nsadmin | at that time we had to start the indivudual pieces... then came gnome-session and then gdm |
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| 12:09.55 | KM0201 | thewanderer1: craigevil just embrace lxde's simplicity :) http://imagebin.org/203735 |
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| 12:11.11 | thewanderer1 | yeah yeah, but giving up stuff like typing in sftp://thewanderer@host is too much :P |
| 12:11.26 | thewanderer1 | (also Kate, the only usable GUI editor...) |
| 12:11.28 | KM0201 | thewanderer1: you can't be serious?.. sftp will work fine w/ lxce |
| 12:11.31 | KM0201 | *lxde |
| 12:11.40 | thewanderer1 | via what? |
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| 12:12.22 | KM0201 | sftp? |
| 12:12.30 | petern_ | i like gedit, except for the annoying bit where an incorrectly encoded file isn't openable |
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| 12:13.30 | thewanderer1 | gedit doesn't have auto indent, does it? and yes, the encoding bug is annoying |
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| 12:14.21 | wodim | has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like? |
| 12:15.22 | petern_ | i think it does |
| 12:15.23 | thewanderer1 | 's head explodes |
| 12:15.46 | petern_ | well, it keeps the indent you're at. it doesn't automatically go in or out |
| 12:16.16 | petern_ | the encoding thing isn't considered a bug, it's a feature :( |
| 12:17.20 | KM0201 | lol |
| 12:17.41 | thewanderer1 | it must be the year of the bloat or something |
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| 12:29.02 | craigevil | KM0201, I ran lxde for almost two yrs switched to it when kde4 first came out |
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| 12:29.15 | KM0201 | that just shows you have no taste |
| 12:29.49 | craigevil | only been using kde4 since last summer |
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| 12:31.08 | KM0201 | dammit i wish i could get ushare to install |
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| 12:32.12 | craigevil | KM0201, tried using djmount instead? |
| 12:32.36 | KM0201 | what is djmount? |
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| 12:38.12 | jmd | KM0201: Its what the disk jockey does after the party is over. |
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| 12:38.41 | KM0201 | well, that doesn't do me any good |
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| 12:39.48 | KM0201 | all i want is ushare, w/o getting into freaking dependency hell |
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| 12:41.09 | KM0201 | i wouldn't mind compiling it from source, i'm just not really experienced at it |
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| 12:45.49 | KM0201 | anyone here ever compiled it from source, so i know what kind of nonsense i'm getting into? |
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| 12:46.35 | boudiccas | KM0201; compile, make and then sudo make install. job done! |
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| 12:46.48 | KM0201 | hmm |
| 12:46.55 | KM0201 | i'm guessing this will result in being a major pain, but we'll see |
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| 12:47.18 | boudiccas | KM0201; call it a 'learning experience' |
| 12:47.29 | KM0201 | boudiccas: i'm done "learning".. i just want my server to work |
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| 12:48.30 | jmd | KM0201: There are plenty of consultants you could hire to set it up for you. |
| 12:48.45 | boudiccas | KM0201; you're never too old to learn something new, and experience something new too |
| 12:48.55 | KM0201 | jmd: i'm sure there's a IRC channel for washed out comedians that's missing you. |
| 12:49.04 | KM0201 | boudiccas: it has nothing to do w/ old |
| 12:49.12 | KM0201 | or not wanting to learn something new |
| 12:49.18 | jmd | That wasn't meant entirely as a joke |
| 12:49.38 | boudiccas | KM0201; k, but you've never done learning |
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| 12:49.54 | KM0201 | boudiccas: i didn't come here to listen to a professor tell me I need to keep learnig |
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| 12:50.09 | boudiccas | i'm not a professor, i'm a nurse |
| 12:50.19 | KM0201 | irrelevant |
| 12:50.24 | KM0201 | i didn't come here for a lecture |
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| 12:51.59 | jmd | KM0201: You're unlikely to find anyone on IRC or anywhere on the net who will spoon feed you. However, if you're prepared to put in a bit of effort to help yourself, then there are lots of people who will help you along the way. |
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| 12:52.25 | homes | we like questions with one line answers |
| 12:52.27 | KM0201 | jmd: i'm not asking to be spoonfed... you're hearing what you want to hear, rather than what i'm saying |
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| 12:53.09 | homes | we /hate/ repeating what one of us spent a long time writing into a manual somewhere :( |
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| 12:53.22 | KM0201 | homes: i'm aware of that |
| 12:53.22 | boudiccas | KM0201; i'm not lecturing you, just trying to encourage you to have a go at compiling it all yourself |
| 12:53.31 | KM0201 | boudiccas: yes you are... i don't need your encouragement |
| 12:54.46 | Coornail | somebody has a bad day... |
| 12:54.50 | Coornail | just compile it and be done with it |
| 12:54.56 | KM0201 | naa, having a good day.. |
| 12:55.10 | KM0201 | Coornail: again, i'll spend 5 freaking hours tracking down dependencies |
| 12:55.49 | Coornail | well, does it have a debian package? if not, does it have it's own repo where there is a package? if not compile it |
| 12:55.59 | Coornail | I can't see any shortcuts there |
| 12:56.15 | boudiccas | an d is it in backports? |
| 12:56.18 | boudiccas | and |
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| 12:56.37 | KM0201 | boudiccas: that was my original question, is there a repo(backport or otherwise) that has ushare, and you start giving me the meaning of life. |
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| 12:57.35 | KM0201 | i wonder.. |
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| 12:58.44 | craigevil | geekbox had a repo for it way back in 2008 :) , i searched on google, duckduckgo no luck finding a current repo for ushare |
| 12:59.08 | KM0201 | craigevil: yeah, i looked for a while... no joy. |
| 12:59.13 | boudiccas | ,versions ushare |
| 12:59.14 | judd | No package named 'ushare' was found in i386. |
| 12:59.15 | KM0201 | found a .deb, but.. it keeps failing. |
| 12:59.39 | KM0201 | i got a wild and crazy idea... |
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| 13:00.04 | petemc | ive used ps3mediaserver to stream to xbox/ps3 |
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| 13:00.13 | KM0201 | i don't want to stream to a xbox or ps3 |
| 13:00.38 | KM0201 | mediatomb works, but it is having some issues w/ my library... |
| 13:01.05 | KM0201 | minidlna, irritating... it shows all my m edia in one huge ass list, rather than breaking it down into folders, like i have it on the drive |
| 13:01.46 | craigevil | only dependency ushare has that isnt in the repos is libdlna, would need to download it from http://libdlna.geexbox.org/ |
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| 13:03.07 | KM0201 | then i have to try and track down dependencies for libdlna, then some other dependency, and then, and then, and then |
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| 13:03.44 | craigevil | there is an ubuntu package which may or may not work, and which might blowup your system :) |
| 13:03.53 | boudiccas | KM0201; do you /have/ to use ushare? wont something else do instead? |
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| 13:04.25 | KM0201 | no, i don't have to use ushare, it's just mediatomb sucks, and minidlna makes me want to punch a wall |
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| 13:05.25 | craigevil | KM0201, lol configure failed missing libixml which also doesn't seem to be in the repos, better to find something else |
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| 13:05.44 | KM0201 | craigevil: finally, someone is seeing my point.. |
| 13:05.54 | kate123 | hey i want a lan and wlan connection at the same time but my wlan stick is shutdown after some minutes how can i configure that that i can use both interfaces |
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| 13:08.11 | ChrisH | I have a 64bit installation and some 32bit programms fail to start. ldd complains about eg. libXmu.so.6 => not found |
| 13:08.17 | tralala | kate123: it's not easy to do that, but /msg dpkg lartc |
| 13:08.38 | tralala | ChrisH: you need 32bit libs |
| 13:08.59 | tralala | they are packaged, but I don't remember the exact name |
| 13:09.04 | ChrisH | tralala: I was on the way to ask that :) How to I reinstall libs in 32bit? |
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| 13:09.51 | tralala | ChrisH: you don't reinstall them as this will break your 64bit programmes, but there are separate packages that provide 32bit libs |
| 13:10.11 | homes | kate123: why does the wlan stick shutdown? |
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| 13:10.15 | tralala | just search for them with apt/aptitude |
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| 13:11.37 | ChrisH | tralala: Thanks I just realized my mistake. the refernce system is 32bit installed... |
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| 13:11.51 | kate123 | homes: i don't now when i use the wlan stick solo it doesn't shutdown i look in the /var/log/messages but theres no error |
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| 13:12.31 | homes | kate123: and are you just wanting it to not shutdown, or are you wanting some kind of aggregrated link? |
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| 13:12.55 | ChrisH | kate123: do you use Network Manager? |
| 13:13.05 | craigevil | ChrisH, apt-get install ia32-libs ia32-libs-gtk |
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| 13:13.40 | kate123 | i want that the stick doesn 't shutdown for the foirst step |
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| 13:15.02 | kate123 | ChrisH: i'm working with a embedded system so i do everything on the terminal |
| 13:15.16 | ChrisH | craigevil,tralala: ldd is happy |
| 13:15.22 | kate123 | homes: i want that the stick doesn 't shutdown for the first step |
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| 13:16.24 | kripz | using rsync: "7.05G 100% 96.56MB/s 0:01:09 (xfer#1, to-check=547/548)" what is that time column? |
| 13:16.47 | kripz | it goes up and down during transfer and then when it finishes shows some random numner? |
| 13:17.10 | ChrisH | kate123: If you do it by hand, I expect both Interfaces to stay up. Does the WLAN Interface stay up if its the only Interface connected? |
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| 13:20.59 | kate123 | ChrisH: yes the wlan interface stay up when it's connected and when the eth0 isn't connected. when i connected both the stick shutdown but when i try to ifup wlan0 the answer is the interface is already up. but i the stick is down |
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| 13:22.24 | jtheuer | hi, I have a set of tif files which have wrong data type definitions. (16 bit unsigned by it is 16 bit signed) - can I change the header on the commandline? (the binary representation is fine!) |
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| 13:22.47 | kate123 | ChrisH: is there a config file wihth the statment when the lan is plugd the wlan shutdown or something |
| 13:23.03 | tralala | kate123: that's because the ifup tool remembers the interface state and doesn't preform live controls |
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| 13:23.31 | tralala | kate123: you have to do ifdown followed by ifup when a wireless connection is lost |
| 13:24.17 | kate123 | tralala: thanks that's what i do all the time is there another way to hold the wlan0 connection |
| 13:25.00 | tralala | kate123: is the only problem that you lose wireless when the cable is plugged? |
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| 13:25.22 | tralala | does it work well once you re-connect the wireless? |
| 13:25.34 | kate123 | tralala: yes i lose the wireless connection after a few minutes |
| 13:26.15 | tralala | do you keep losing it, or does it stay up once you've reconnected it? |
| 13:27.28 | tralala | kate123: btw are you sure it's not just a routing problem? |
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| 13:27.48 | kate123 | tralala: when i reconnected it the connection stays for a few minutes |
| 13:28.48 | tralala | kate123: so you simply want it to reconnect automatically when it's down? |
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| 13:29.39 | kate123 | tralala: thats simple i make a crontab but i want that the connection stays and don't go down |
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| 13:30.24 | tralala | kate123: when it goes down, is the entire link down? i.e. the wlan0 interface? |
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| 13:30.53 | kate123 | tralala: yes no wlan0 when i try ifconfig |
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| 13:31.40 | tralala | kate123: it sounds like a hardware issue |
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| 13:32.36 | tralala | are both the ethernet and the wireless built-in? |
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| 13:34.16 | kate123 | tralala: sorry i don't understand can you explain it |
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| 13:35.11 | tralala | kate123: explain what? my question? |
| 13:35.31 | kate123 | tralala: yes sorry my english isn't so well ;) |
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| 13:35.54 | tralala | kate123: you have embedded hardware, right? |
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| 13:36.57 | kate123 | tralala: yes |
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| 13:37.14 | kate123 | tralala: a beaglebone with debian |
| 13:37.41 | nsadmin | what's a beag;ebpme? |
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| 13:38.31 | tralala | kate123: and your wireless is on a usb port? |
| 13:38.56 | kate123 | tralala: yes |
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| 13:39.43 | Emmanuel_Chanel | Szia! |
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| 13:41.14 | tralala | kate123: the only thing that comes to mind is that there's some kind of noise going to the usb port when ethernet is in use and this is causing trouble for the wireless |
| 13:42.04 | tralala | unfortunately one needs knowledge, skills and equipment to verify this theory |
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| 13:42.46 | kate123 | tralala: hmm is there not somewhere a config file with the statement has when ethernet is connected shutdown wlan |
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| 13:43.10 | tralala | kate123: not to my knowledge, no |
| 13:43.24 | tralala | nor would it make any sense to have such a thing |
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| 13:43.38 | tralala | especially not by default |
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| 13:46.47 | riot | hi. i'm having a nice time with libreoffice, ghostscript and ps2pdf: /usr/bin/gs: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libgs.so.9: undefined symbol: cmsGetTransformInputFormat |
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| 13:47.11 | riot | on unstable :/ google search reveals lilypond sometime dealing with that, if i understand the results correclty :( |
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| 13:52.20 | kate123 | tralala: that's bad :( |
| 13:52.56 | tralala | it doesn't seem to be something easy to solve |
| 13:53.04 | craigevil | kate123, just curious but why do you need eth and wireless both on at the same time? |
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| 13:53.52 | tralala | kate123: perhaps you could try a kernel from a different distro, just to make sure it's not some odd software issue |
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| 13:54.55 | craigevil | there is a way to have them both on if you are trying to bridge(share) network connections |
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| 13:56.05 | craigevil | otherwise if eth is set to auto or allow-hotplug it will disconnect wireless when it connects by default |
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| 13:57.45 | kate123 | tralala: where can i find the error logs about the network connections maybe there is some answer |
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| 13:58.53 | tralala | kate123: I doubt it, but you can try dmesg and /var/log/syslog |
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| 14:00.18 | Coornail | if it's not a kernel/driver problem then you wont' find it there |
| 14:00.30 | Coornail | connection errors are the responsibility of the userland programs |
| 14:00.51 | xevier | Hi, is there a way to automatically install -doc packages when installing a package? For example I'm installing the package "flex" which has an accompanying package flex-doc with its documentation. Is there a way to automatically include the flex-doc package when I'm installing the flex package? |
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| 14:02.07 | nsadmin | there might be if each and every package had a <package>-doc package |
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| 14:02.43 | jabot | Hi. Are there any known problems with debian testing and nouveau? |
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| 14:02.59 | jabot | like "xdm suddenly no longer working"? |
| 14:03.03 | nsadmin | you could add an alias that tried to install both the requested package and assume and therefore try to install that-doc |
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| 14:03.48 | nsadmin | jabot: as you are running testing, you therefore claim you know how to search this: |
| 14:03.51 | nsadmin | !bts |
| 14:03.51 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. See also <apt-listbugs>, <reportbug>. http://wiki.debian.org/HowtoUseBTS |
| 14:03.58 | xevier | nsadmin: thanks, that's a good idea |
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| 14:05.17 | tralala | Coornail: I can't imagine anything in the userland that would cause it. |
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| 14:07.31 | jabot | none relevant found for nouveau. |
| 14:07.56 | jabot | nsadmin: stuff works o.k. with kernel 3.1, fails with 3.2 or newer. |
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| 14:08.14 | jabot | nouveau doesn't even get loaded as kernel module |
| 14:08.41 | jabot | any other packages i can look for bug reports against? |
| 14:08.41 | Burps | Hi. I know I'm very late, but I learnt testing will freeze soon, so I thought it was time to upgarde an old lenny I have to squeeze :) : my problem is that an init script didn't have the LSB header during the upgrade : I now added them : What should I run or re-run now ? |
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| 14:09.45 | Guest46045 | I have backed myself into a corner a bit here, I've forgotten the root password. Normally this would be easily solved by recovery mode, however the box is an old laptop for which I no longer have the built in keyboard and cannot select the option with a usb keyboard |
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| 14:10.24 | klync | Burps: when that package upgrades, you'll likely get asked whether to keep or replace the file you modified. you can compare the differences before deciding, but it it sounds like you'll just want to take the new one. the old one should get renamed in case you want to reapply your edits to the new one |
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| 14:10.48 | tralala | Guest46045: can you take the disk out? |
| 14:11.48 | tralala | or better yet - get a live-cd |
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| 14:12.28 | Burps | klync: actually, it's not a package : it was an home-made init-script for some in-house stuff. Now, the full upgrade is already done, but I don't know if the system has really benn "migrated" to LSB beccause of this error during the upgrade |
| 14:12.58 | klync | Burps: what was the error? |
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| 14:13.33 | jmd | Why are there build logs for every achitecture EXCEPT i386 ? |
| 14:14.25 | Burps | klync: hmm, I don't remember exactly. I know there was the message about missing LSB, but I don't have a full log :( |
| 14:14.56 | klync | Burps: ok, to put it another way: what is the problem you're trying to solve? |
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| 14:15.25 | Burps | hehe :) |
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| 14:15.55 | tralala | jmd: this is a i386 build log: https://buildd.debian.org/status/logs.php?pkg=gimp&arch=i386 |
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| 14:16.17 | boudiccas | klync; sounds like he's just trolling |
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| 14:17.20 | nsadmin | !cooperation in asking for help |
| 14:17.20 | dpkg | When asking for help, try to give as much relevant information as possible as well as reading cited documentation. Ask me about <sicco> and <research>. |
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| 14:17.53 | sfsf32 | hi |
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| 14:19.47 | sfsf32 | I noticed that in iceweasel 11.0 , in the search bar (the one at top right) google and others have disappeared, there are only dudckduckgo, amazon and debian packages. Is this because of new privacy policy of these major search engines? |
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| 14:23.22 | Burps | klync: OK, I ran insserv, it modified the numbers/order in /etc/rc*.d, and gave no error, so I'm fine now :) |
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| 14:24.15 | klync | Burps: easiest. support request. evar. :P |
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| 14:24.58 | Burps | yeah... I don't like causing trouble to people :) |
| 14:26.26 | klync | Burps: i'm not used to people doing preventative / proactive maintenance ;) |
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| 14:27.04 | Burps | hehe... Friday :) |
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| 14:29.57 | waldvogel | i'm on sid trying to do this: lxc-create -n test -t debian |
| 14:30.14 | waldvogel | it spits an error like that: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/lxc/templates/lxc-debian: line 882: /tmp/lxc-debian.ntUOHxB0/debconf.default: No such file or directory |
| 14:30.23 | waldvogel | any idea? |
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| 14:31.23 | nsadmin | as you are running sid, you therefore claim that you have extensive knowledge of debian specifically and linux in general, and you know how to search this: |
| 14:31.26 | nsadmin | !bts |
| 14:31.26 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. See also <apt-listbugs>, <reportbug>. http://wiki.debian.org/HowtoUseBTS |
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| 14:32.27 | boudiccas | sfsf32; what version of debian are you running iceweasel 11.0 on please? |
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| 14:32.40 | boudiccas | ,versions iceweasel |
| 14:32.41 | judd | Package: iceweasel on i386 -- lenny: 3.0.6-3; lenny-security: 3.0.6-3; lenny-backports: 3.5.16-11~bpo50+1; squeeze: 3.5.16-11; squeeze-proposed-updates: 3.5.16-12; squeeze-security: 3.5.16-13; wheezy: 10.0.2-1; sid: 10.0.3esr-1; experimental: 11.0-1 |
| 14:33.02 | craigevil | mozilla.debian.net repo has 11 |
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| 14:33.16 | sfsf32 | boudiccas, i'm runnig it on squeeze, installed from backports |
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| 14:34.10 | somiaj | sfsf32: m.d.n is not squeeze-backports. |
| 14:34.11 | sc30317 | hey all, I have a home server that I want to host my email server on. Which kind of virtualization should I use? I was thinking of xen or vserver. I run debian 6.0.3 |
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| 14:34.28 | craigevil | sfsf32, you can easily add other search engines, i would recommend startpage as it uses google but is much more private |
| 14:34.30 | Guest46045 | tralala: I can get the hdd out, but have no other machine with a laptop-ide interface. Doesn't have an optical drive either |
| 14:34.31 | dvs | sfsf32: type "about:" in the URL |
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| 14:34.56 | sfsf32 | craigevil, ok thanks |
| 14:35.09 | tralala | Guest46045: how do you boot the installer then? |
| 14:35.31 | sfsf32 | dvs, it's 11.0 |
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| 14:35.57 | tralala | ah, you mean the rescue mode of the boot loader... |
| 14:36.14 | Guest46045 | I installed it with an optical disk then got rid of the drive. It's an embedded system type thing I build from a stripped down laptop and ditched most of the rest of the parts when I finished it and it worked |
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| 14:36.47 | sfsf32 | somiaj, yes the iceweasel package is from m.d.n. but it needs also packages from backports to work |
| 14:37.03 | waldvogel | nsadmin: ok, thanks |
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| 14:38.27 | fahi | sc30317: it depends on your needs, kvm would be another choice. with kvm and xen, your vserver has their own kernel. |
| 14:38.35 | tralala | Guest46045: if you cant access it with an ssh key, then I can't think of any other options, but to hook the disk to another pc |
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| 14:39.17 | DanDare | Im trying: /msg dpkg ,versions iceweasel |
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| 14:39.24 | sfsf32 | start page looks good |
| 14:39.31 | DanDare | It doesnt work. Theres any way to do that ? |
| 14:39.35 | foxhacker | will debian wheezy use kernel 3.0+ ? |
| 14:39.48 | fahi | foxhacker: yes, 3.2 |
| 14:39.52 | somiaj | DanDare: /msg judd versions iceweasel |
| 14:39.59 | foxhacker | ok thanks |
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| 14:40.00 | DanDare | Oh. Thanks |
| 14:40.07 | Guest46045 | tralala: I thought that might be the case; thanks anyway |
| 14:40.29 | nsadmin | waldvogel, do some serious digging, you should be able to find some information using the skills previously mentioned. You may be able to find osmeone who can help you, maybe here -- but if so, you should be prepared to show you did the serious digging |
| 14:40.50 | dvs | fahi: How do you know it's not 3.3? ;-P |
| 14:40.59 | fahi | dvs: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2012/01/msg00012.html |
| 14:41.04 | waldvogel | nsadmin: ok, i didn't dig enough, sry |
| 14:41.39 | fahi | dvs: I don't know the reason for this choice though :) |
| 14:41.47 | nsadmin | maybe you did and maybe you didn't... and, you should be prepared to show that you did some more digging and that you gained useful information as a result |
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| 14:42.18 | dvs | fahi: You made that up! ;-P Actually, things can change between now and then. |
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| 14:42.37 | ceed^ | Hi, I'm going to put a couple of commands in 'xinitrc'. I do currently not have that an 'xinitrc'. I'm only going to have it executed in a user account. Should I name it '.xinitrc' or '.Xinitrc, and what permissions to give it? Executable? |
| 14:42.54 | fahi | dvs: sure, everything can change, even the freeze date for wheezy :) |
| 14:43.30 | dvs | is betting on a December release |
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| 14:46.57 | jhutchins_wk | Is there a pool? |
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| 14:47.16 | dvs | should be |
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| 14:48.44 | nsadmin | maybe a sauna |
| 14:48.53 | nsadmin | what kinda pool? |
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| 14:51.16 | fahi | ceed^: it should be named ~/.xinitrc and executable; "man xinit" will give you further details |
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| 15:15.07 | abrotman | eh what? |
| 15:15.45 | abrotman | looks at staff |
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| 15:16.26 | passstab | hi |
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| 15:20.00 | somiaj | ceed^: if you are using a display manager, on debian you may need to call it ~/.xsession |
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| 15:21.05 | steakknife | Is there a standard command that can run all the actions of apt-get dselect-upgrade sans upgrade? |
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| 15:22.30 | steakknife | Found it, --no-upgrade |
| 15:23.26 | steakknife | Argh, doesn't work :( |
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| 15:24.10 | passstab | hi |
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| 15:24.35 | steakknife | morning |
| 15:24.42 | levi501d | anyone know of a good program that will watch logs and if something happens grab logs for that instance? My box has been dying over night in a very short span of time 4 hrs, but I haven't been able to find out what it is based on logs |
| 15:24.55 | steakknife | syslog? |
| 15:25.16 | steakknife | setup rsyslog forwarding |
| 15:25.17 | passstab | how do i connect to wifi? |
| 15:25.22 | babilen | levi501d: logwatch comes to mind, but I am not entirely sure if it is what you are looking for |
| 15:25.38 | steakknife | levi501d: if you don't care about security, loggly is free |
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| 15:25.50 | babilen | passstab: http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse (provided that your wireless adaptor is working already) |
| 15:25.51 | passstab | iwconfig gives me something close to |
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| 15:26.08 | levi501d | yeah im looking for something that triggers on a percieved error, like maxed out cpu, this morning it hadnt restarted this time, but was pegged so i couldnt do anyting but hard reboot |
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| 15:26.37 | steakknife | levi501d: http://wiki.loggly.com/rsysloginstallation and maybe setup sar/sysstat too |
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| 15:26.38 | passstab | i followed the wicd instructions |
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| 15:26.58 | passstab | wlan0 |
| 15:27.17 | passstab | ieee 802.11agbn |
| 15:27.27 | passstab | essid:off/any |
| 15:27.29 | levi501d | kk thanks for the suggestions guys |
| 15:27.36 | steakknife | htop is also nice. |
| 15:27.42 | passstab | mode:managed |
| 15:27.44 | babilen | passstab: Can you scan for networks with "ifconfig wlan0 up ; iwlist wlan0 scan" ? |
| 15:27.48 | babilen | !tell passstab -about paste |
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| 15:28.23 | passstab | ok sorry |
| 15:28.39 | passstab | (i wasn't pasteing :P) |
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| 15:29.13 | szonek | how come there is no "-I" option in `man date` but it works? :) |
| 15:29.19 | szonek | $ date -I outputs 2012-03-16 |
| 15:29.45 | passstab | ok |
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| 15:30.10 | g00dbin | with my new internal WiFi miniPCI card I can't connect to AP. With USB adapter it works (wpa_supplicant.conf, etc. all the same). Any idea? http://paste.debian.net/159987/ |
| 15:30.29 | passstab | SIOCIFFLAGS:operation not possible due to RF-kill |
| 15:30.49 | szonek | passstab: rfkill list |
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| 15:31.01 | babilen | passstab: Take a look at "man rfkill" (install rfkill first if necessary) -- In particular at "rfkill unblock" |
| 15:31.04 | szonek | rfkill unblock <id> |
| 15:31.18 | g00dbin | do you mean me? |
| 15:31.36 | szonek | g00dbin: no |
| 15:31.43 | szonek | i don't think so |
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| 15:32.02 | abhifx | hi... does anyone know how spi works? |
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| 15:32.33 | jhutchins_wk | passstab: wicd doesn't work properly on some cards. Since squeeze, network-manager works better for most people. |
| 15:33.50 | passstab | ok thanks |
| 15:34.19 | g00dbin | rfkill unblock all |
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| 15:37.17 | abhifx | anyone at debian irc has any idea of functionality of SPI organization? |
| 15:38.22 | passstab | what does that meen? |
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| 15:39.21 | ksuhku | !tell szonek about reportbug |
| 15:39.23 | Coornail | window 3 |
| 15:40.25 | passstab | does networkmanager have a gui? |
| 15:40.36 | passstab | and how do i acces it? |
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| 15:42.53 | babilen | passstab: network-manager uses an applet that sits in your panel -- You can click on it and configure/select networks. (nm-applet) |
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| 15:43.47 | passstab | is it on xfce? |
| 15:43.52 | passstab | i can't find it |
| 15:44.21 | jhutchins_wk | passstab: You may have to install it. |
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| 15:44.42 | passstab | ok |
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| 15:45.45 | babilen | passstab: See http://wiki.debian.org/NetworkManager -- And you most likely want to install network-manager-gnome (maybe from backports (see "/msg dpkg bdo")) |
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| 15:46.24 | carandraug | Hi! Anyone with experience with Makefiles? I'm trying to write something if (library available) do something else warning endif. However, I don't know how to check if a library is available. Google is not very helpful either (though partly on my fault as I don't know much on the subject to start with). Isn't there an easy way command that checks if pcre.h is available or not? |
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| 15:47.16 | Posterdati | hi |
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| 15:47.59 | Posterdati | please I've got problem running tftpd-hpa on wheezy, during installation I've got: Starting HPA's tftpd: in.tftpdinvoke-rc.d: initscript tftpd-hpa, action "start" failed. |
| 15:48.39 | passstab | it works! |
| 15:48.43 | passstab | thanks |
| 15:48.51 | passstab | <3 |
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| 16:00.59 | argentineandude | Hi there, I used to be able to create and LVM for encryption of the root fs, *both* at once, and right from the Debian installer, without using the entire disk, which I don't want to. What happened with this feature? How can I achieve it now? |
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| 16:03.53 | epicfail | everytime i download some project source code and try to understand it i fail... is is explained somewhere? |
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| 16:04.25 | engla | epicfail: what needs explaining? |
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| 16:05.08 | karlpinc | argentineandude: Did you try expert mode? |
| 16:05.17 | szonek | ksuhku: thanks |
| 16:05.23 | epicfail | engla, the source... for example geany... i downloaded the source because i wanted to add sth to it but there are so many files... |
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| 16:05.44 | Synthead | is there a good guide out there for setting up partitioning in a preseed? |
| 16:05.47 | fat-lobyte | hi! I am working on a debian package, and I added a patch with quilt. Now when buildling a source package, the patch is applied twice! The second time fails of course. What's the problem? |
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| 16:06.22 | karlpinc | fat-lobyte: If you don't get an answer here try #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org. That's for developers. |
| 16:06.32 | TheBeast | is there an up2date guide on how to setup a local repo for di/preseed/pxe/netinstall? |
| 16:06.34 | fat-lobyte | karlpinc: thanks for the hint! |
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| 16:07.18 | TheBeast | i'm currently using a publicly available mirror but we have constraints for bandwidth usage |
| 16:07.31 | steakknife | TheBeast: fully automated installer |
| 16:07.34 | karlpinc | TheBeast: It won't be any different for install than any other use.... |
| 16:07.47 | karlpinc | TheBeast: Have you considered apt-cacher and the like? |
| 16:07.50 | TheBeast | the thing is I have no clue how to set one up :| |
| 16:07.55 | TheBeast | karlpinc I'll look into it |
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| 16:07.57 | engla | epicfail: maybe there is documentation for the source or comments. that said, it's not easy to understand source. Find a small module and begin with that? |
| 16:07.59 | steakknife | apt-cache-ng i love it |
| 16:08.03 | steakknife | r* |
| 16:08.22 | TheBeast | my plan was to rsync everything from a local mirror and then point the preseed file to a local/internal http server |
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| 16:08.35 | karlpinc | !tell TheBeast about apt-cacher |
| 16:09.14 | karlpinc | TheBeast: You could mirror, but for optimal bandwidth usage you really just want to cache. |
| 16:09.26 | argentineandude | karlpinc: What is that? |
| 16:09.36 | argentineandude | karlpinc: Not seeing anything like such |
| 16:09.39 | steakknife | karlpinc: agreed. cache, don't mirror without a really good reason. |
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| 16:10.15 | karlpinc | argentineandude: It's one of the options from the installer boot menu, before the installer starts. |
| 16:10.26 | karlpinc | !tell argentineandude about ig |
| 16:10.30 | argentineandude | karlpinc: I just enter the manual partitioning of the HD and the options are quite limited, not as before, and there is an option to make an LVM out of a partition, another to do ciphers, and none of them allow you to create an FS within |
| 16:10.32 | TheBeast | karlpinc I need a local mirror for network installs |
| 16:11.01 | steakknife | apt-cacher* can be run on a private network |
| 16:11.08 | argentineandude | karlpinc: Don't recall being prompted for an advanced version of the installer |
| 16:11.13 | karlpinc | TheBeast: I don't think so. You just need to have local copies in a cache. A full mirror will suck bandwidth. |
| 16:11.15 | TheBeast | looks like it hasn't been updated in 5-6 years |
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| 16:11.38 | steakknife | i've apt-cacher-ng in production behind multiple levels of proxies on boxes without internet access. |
| 16:11.43 | karlpinc | argentineandude: You don't tell it about the fs until after you create the partition. Then you tell it what you're using the partition for. |
| 16:12.07 | karlpinc | argentineandude: (I always have to bumble around through that part of the install, eventually it works.) |
| 16:12.35 | karlpinc | argentineandude: It's the very first prompt. But if you're getting the manual partitioning than that's probably all you need. |
| 16:12.39 | argentineandude | karlpinc: Here is the thing, I don't want to write the HD until I'm sure I chose the right options. This is not leading through my usual process of installing debian, and I'm not just making this up. Done it tons of times and was able to create the entire layout before writing anything |
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| 16:13.34 | argentineandude | karlpinc: Gonna check for the expert install, see what happens and get back to you |
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| 16:14.00 | karlpinc | argentineandude: Yes. As I say, I have to poke it with a stick. And it's been a while since I did an install. But I think you need to write to setup the lvm, then again to do the partitions/fs. |
| 16:14.36 | karlpinc | argentineandude: What installer are you using? |
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| 16:15.49 | argentineandude | karlpinc: Have a default netinst and now I was trying with a debian installer project iso, one of those testing iso's |
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| 16:16.36 | karlpinc | argentineandude: You want the default. The wheezy installer is not done. |
| 16:17.05 | argentineandude | karlpinc: FYI .. I'm being forced to reinstall after 5 days of unluckily fighting a bug in LUKs+devmapper+initramfs |
| 16:17.05 | argentineandude | somewhere there |
| 16:17.37 | karlpinc | argentineandude: I seem to recall. Is there a bug report somewhere I could look at? |
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| 16:17.53 | karlpinc | argentineandude: (Not that I can do anything about it.) |
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| 16:18.47 | argentineandude | Lost the ability to boot my root fs.. I've been able to mount the crypto, and been able, after many days, to run update'initramfs |
| 16:18.47 | argentineandude | Still.. nothing |
| 16:18.47 | argentineandude | (run : in a chroot, of course) |
| 16:19.13 | kalofoli | Hi guys! I'd like to create a symlink to a folder /mnt/extrastorage/username upon user creation. Can I do that? |
| 16:19.40 | argentineandude | karlpinc: I haven't reported it yet.. understand that this is my personal laptop I'm talking about, and there is a lot at stake for me |
| 16:19.51 | argentineandude | karlpinc: all I wanted was having my OS back, to begin with. |
| 16:19.53 | ChibaPet | kalofoli: Are you creating users through some automated process? If you're doing it manually, just script it. |
| 16:20.11 | argentineandude | karlpinc: No luck, no help, and lots of hostility so far when asking questions around. |
| 16:20.23 | kalofoli | ChibaPet, with the adduser and graphical tools |
| 16:20.45 | karlpinc | argentineandude: I'venot been paying attention. But people will ignore you if you don't answer their questions. |
| 16:21.02 | argentineandude | karlpinc: also, FYI, is the third MAJOR problem I've with wheezy in 4 months.. With major I mean that completely destroyed my system, from top to bottom, and that if I was any lazier as a sys admin, I would have got to reinstall |
| 16:21.19 | karlpinc | argentineandude: I don't use wheezy. I want my boxes to work. |
| 16:21.34 | karlpinc | argentineandude: always |
| 16:21.38 | ChibaPet | Hm, I don't tend to use graphical tools for that, so I'm not sure if they'll give you an option to plug in additional behaviour. Since you want a non-default action, I'd look at adding your users from a command line and scripting it. Maybe someone else has an answer closer to what you want. |
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| 16:21.44 | argentineandude | karlpinc: Me too.. And stable has packages from the middle ages |
| 16:22.00 | valdyn | argentineandude: thats the whole point of stable |
| 16:22.02 | karlpinc | argentineandude: /msg dpkg sns |
| 16:22.18 | valdyn | argentineandude: you cant have rock-solid combined with brand-new, its not possible |
| 16:22.23 | karlpinc | argentineandude: Is there something you require that's newer than the middle ages? |
| 16:22.41 | argentineandude | karlpinc: I use my laptop for several things, among them, audio |
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| 16:23.00 | valdyn | !debian-next |
| 16:23.04 | valdyn | aww |
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| 16:23.31 | jelly | valdyn: it's !wheezy, and argentineandude already knows about it |
| 16:23.31 | argentineandude | karlpinc: Sorry dude, but I come from a place where I can afford a single *good* laptop, and I use it for everything I do. Which includes coding of sensible applications, as well as music and other types of art |
| 16:23.33 | karlpinc | argentineandude: I swear they had audio in the middle ages. ;-) |
| 16:23.36 | ChibaPet | I'm having a lovely time with Wheezy lately. I'm running it on all my personal stuff now. |
| 16:23.47 | valdyn | jelly: but he won't quit whining! |
| 16:23.58 | argentineandude | karlpinc: They did.. magic poliphony ... They did.. But they did not have FFado |
| 16:24.08 | karlpinc | argentineandude: I can't afford a single good laptop, or don't want to. All my boxes are at least 5 years old. |
| 16:24.33 | ChibaPet | argentineandude: You know you can often build Wheezy source packages against Squeeze, right? |
| 16:24.36 | argentineandude | karlpinc: Well, we're in the same page then... Only that I *do* need the gear for the stuff I do |
| 16:24.37 | karlpinc | argentineandude: You might consider backporting it yourself. |
| 16:24.57 | argentineandude | ChibaPet: I used to build my installs from scratch, dude.. I'm getting older, I don't have the time for that |
| 16:25.00 | kalofoli | ChibaPet, can I script this functionality into the tools used from the graphic programs?? |
| 16:25.18 | jelly | argentineandude: what did crpytsetup maintainers or say about your issues? |
| 16:25.23 | jelly | or upstream* |
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| 16:25.30 | valdyn | kalofoli: *you* probably cant |
| 16:25.37 | argentineandude | ChibaPet: used to have a kernel with so much code replaced that it was no longer proper to call it linux, as there was no linux torvalds code in it. But .. Not anymore. I need to install stuff that works |
| 16:25.41 | valdyn | kalofoli: everything is "scriptable" one way or another |
| 16:25.41 | ChibaPet | argentineandude: I bet I'm older than you, and it takes five minutes. :P Plus, you're blowing your argument by talking about how much time you're spending recovering your system. :) |
| 16:25.42 | kalofoli | valdyn, I see... |
| 16:25.59 | ChibaPet | No Linux Torvalds code *is* an impressive feat, I'll admit. |
| 16:26.06 | karlpinc | kalofoli: Yes. You can write a little script that calls the gui, and afterwards sees what new users were created and does what you want. Of course you have to write the script. |
| 16:26.06 | argentineandude | ChibaPet: I'm not making any arguments, my kind debian friend. I just want my laptop working, that's all |
| 16:26.36 | ChibaPet | argentineandude: Run Squeeze, look at backports, and apt-get -b source package from wheezy for things you really need. |
| 16:26.38 | kalofoli | valdyn, karlpinc I get the idea. Good! thanks! |
| 16:26.41 | argentineandude | jelly, The answer to your question is : nothing |
| 16:27.13 | karlpinc | kalofoli: Then you put it into the menu. But how you do that depends on your gui. |
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| 16:27.56 | valdyn | kalofoli: i think you want to approach this a different way |
| 16:27.57 | argentineandude | ChibaPet: I'm on another critical point right now, which is either to reinstall or not. 5 workable days stuck for me has been too much |
| 16:28.30 | ChibaPet | argentineandude: Perfect time to switch. Run Squeeze, and look to backports or Wheezy source packages for the rare item Squeeze lacks. |
| 16:28.33 | karlpinc | kalofoli: I also don't think that putting a wrapper around a gui is an especially good idea. Why is a gui necessary, what are your design parameters? |
| 16:28.43 | kalofoli | karlpinc, I was hoping to change adduser that I assume the graphical tools chain call, so that I can be independent of that one particular gui app. |
| 16:28.50 | argentineandude | karlpinc: Going to see if I can make it for the disk layout I want with the "advanced" install |
| 16:28.50 | argentineandude | although I suspect the partition stage is mostly the same |
| 16:29.05 | jelly | argentineandude: there's nothing to say that hasn't been said already. My approach is to have a second machine, and 2-3 copies of important data. |
| 16:29.14 | karlpinc | argentineandude: Me too, but good luck. |
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| 16:29.28 | argentineandude | jelly: My approach is to have my own datacenter.. In the meantime, I've this kind of problems :p |
| 16:29.45 | karlpinc | kalofoli: See the <fhs> and /usr/local/ for replacing system scripts. |
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| 16:30.03 | ChibaPet | If you're running Wheezy in your data center... Well. Karma will take care of that for you. :P |
| 16:30.28 | kalofoli | so, karlpinc I agree. I can try to put my wrapper around adduser which chain calls adduser.original and then does some upkeeping. How come is there no hooks dir that does such stuff? What happened to http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=36019 ? |
| 16:30.35 | karlpinc | has a vision of kalofoli giving himself headaches |
| 16:30.39 | argentineandude | ChibaPet: I'm being sarcastic. What I meant was, I've pedestrian limitations of a guy who has one and a half laptops.. that's all. And no spare space. |
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| 16:31.03 | kalofoli | karlpinc, I most probably won't do it. Its not rally worth my time. :( |
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| 16:31.13 | argentineandude | ChibaPet: If you record music or do video, you'll know what I'm talking about. I do both |
| 16:31.56 | jelly | ... and now you know: don't upgrade machines if you need to do work |
| 16:32.06 | ChibaPet | argentineandude: Try what I recommended. You'll be happier. |
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| 16:32.49 | jelly | "if it breaks, you get to keep all the pieces" |
| 16:33.00 | argentineandude | ChibaPet: yes yes, I'm reading all the advices here.. However, my problem right now is a very practical one |
| 16:33.27 | argentineandude | I eventually decided to reinstall .. and I'm not finding the features I used to find in the netinst .. which everyone here found quite odd |
| 16:33.28 | argentineandude | or so it seems |
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| 16:34.44 | somiaj | argentineandude: which installer are you using? |
| 16:35.07 | ChibaPet | argentineandude: You mentioned ffado. There's a minor version bump in Wheezy, over Squeeze. I'd be really, honestly shocked if it was even mildly painful to build it against Squeeze. |
| 16:35.08 | argentineandude | Right now, seeing the one from the debian installer project |
| 16:35.19 | argentineandude | Just for the lulz |
| 16:35.27 | argentineandude | I want to see what happens when I reach the HD partition point |
| 16:36.01 | somiaj | argentineandude: so you are using the testing (and maybe nonfunctional) installer and surprised it has changed since the debian netinstall? Use the stable netinstaller (even if you want to install testing or unstable -- though I would also suggest the above advice, use squeeze + backports) |
| 16:36.13 | argentineandude | I know that I can do all I want in steps.. My concern is that I used to find the options altogether in the install and I really don't want to screw up the HD |
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| 16:37.03 | somiaj | argentineandude: there is a debian installer channell on irc.oftc.net http://wiki.debian.org/IRC |
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| 16:38.24 | argentineandude | somiaj: Soon there will be a channel for every header a program has. And no one will answer anything in either of those channels :p |
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| 16:39.27 | somiaj | argentineandude: nope, but this channell is for debian stable support. If you are into testing/bug reporting to the testing/unstable repos of debian, it is reasonable to have channells to discuss development as opposed to supporting the offical stable release. |
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| 16:39.53 | argentineandude | somiaj: Alright office, I'll move along then |
| 16:39.58 | argentineandude | *officer |
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| 16:40.06 | somiaj | argentineandude: again if you are testing the testing installer and finding things unintuitive or have suggestions, I was pointing you to a place you can particpate in the testing of the installer. |
| 16:40.08 | argentineandude | ;) |
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| 16:40.34 | somiaj | if you want to install debian (even if it is testing or unstable) use the stable installer. |
| 16:40.59 | argentineandude | somiaj: And I was serious with my sarcasm, I've been pinging every hole in freenode and debianirc for the last 5 days and no place is the right place to ask |
| 16:42.16 | somiaj | argentineandude: welcome to testing, it isn't an offical release so there is no offical support, mearly prefered places for certain things. #debian-next on irc.oftc.net is also the prefered place to ask for testing/unstable support. |
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| 16:42.43 | argentineandude | somiaj: if is not because it is a cryptsetup issue, is because it was also an lvm issue, but wait, it was lvm for debian, not for lvm default, but wait, it is a device mapper problem, but no, cause that was redhat, and so, and so :) |
| 16:43.00 | argentineandude | somiaj: I asked three days in a row in debian-next |
| 16:43.05 | argentineandude | No responses |
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| 16:44.16 | argentineandude | Just reached the disk partition menu :) |
| 16:44.19 | argentineandude | Let's see what happens |
| 16:44.46 | argentineandude | Just as I thought is exactly the same. I don't have the option I used to have, someone removed it. |
| 16:44.52 | jelly | argentineandude: if you plan to keep using luks, http://code.google.com/p/cryptsetup/wiki/FrequentlyAskedQuestions |
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| 16:45.22 | argentineandude | jelly I do plan to use luks. |
| 16:45.42 | jelly | if you plan to use the development debian-installer, |
| 16:45.42 | argentineandude | Here is the thing folks.. There is an option which is only available for FULL DISK install now.. and used to be in manual as well |
| 16:45.43 | jelly | !d-i |
| 16:45.44 | dpkg | 6.0 squeeze is now the "stable" Debian release (Feb 06, 2011). See http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ for images. Developers page is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ . If you want to make custom install CDs, start with d-i. IRC: #debian-boot on irc.oftc.net. See also <errata>, <g-i>. |
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| 16:45.51 | nukenn | hi all |
| 16:45.55 | argentineandude | And this applies to *all* versions as far as I can see |
| 16:46.04 | nukenn | does anybody already confi. LACP ? |
| 16:46.14 | argentineandude | I've tested every installer from the last 2 years |
| 16:46.15 | jelly | argentineandude: this channel might not have any idea what you're talking about, and the d-i specific channel might. |
| 16:46.20 | nukenn | to aggregate two NICs 1Gb and get 2Gb link ? |
| 16:46.26 | argentineandude | jelly I'll go there |
| 16:46.35 | argentineandude | Just doing some FYIs |
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| 16:46.38 | jelly | !tell nukenn about bonding |
| 16:47.20 | _stefanos_ | hello everyone. is anyone using chromium and having all the time "aw snap!" crashes like i do? |
| 16:47.31 | _stefanos_ | debian wheezy with the latest updates btw |
| 16:47.38 | boudiccas | i backup my /home every three hours to an external usb h/d. is there any way in which the drive cna be passworded so that before you can access data on the drive you have to give the password, because at the moment, that drive is in the 'clear' and not encrypted or passworded in any way, so is a security risk |
| 16:48.09 | engla | boudiccas: cryptsetup+dm-crypt+luks can do that |
| 16:48.45 | boudiccas | does that mean that /home also has to be encrypted? |
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| 16:49.08 | nukenn | jelly: I already saw this website |
| 16:49.10 | engla | not necessarily |
| 16:49.26 | nukenn | jelly: i've configured correct, but i'm unable to get 2Gbs |
| 16:49.33 | boudiccas | engla; is that a 'yes' or a /no/ ? |
| 16:49.47 | jelly | nukenn: does your other endpoint have 2Gbps or more as well? |
| 16:49.48 | somiaj | _stefanos_: go check the bts, that is a known issue for certain versions of chromium. |
| 16:49.56 | iliphium | Diablo3 Beta Key Giveaway http://www.GamesRewards.net/Diablo3 |
| 16:49.57 | _stefanos_ | bts? |
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| 16:50.17 | somiaj | _stefanos_: bug tracking system. One would assume if you are running testing you know about that to debug things that go wrong. |
| 16:50.18 | boudiccas | bug tracking system |
| 16:50.33 | engla | boudiccas: is that unclear? home can be encrypted but it's not forced |
| 16:50.48 | jelly | nukenn: I can't try doing 2x1Gbps between two endpoints, but I regularly get upwards of 1.2Gbps traffic from multiple sources in parallel |
| 16:51.36 | boudiccas | engla; is it possible to just have the usb h/d encrypted and not /home ? |
| 16:51.50 | jelly | nukenn: unfortunately it's the networking people that configured the switch to which the server is connected to, so I can't comment on that bit |
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| 16:52.32 | engla | boudiccas: yes |
| 16:52.49 | boudiccas | engla; ah right, thanks. time to start googling then |
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| 16:54.26 | bitHipy | is it possible to run *network-admin* from the commandline, and tell it the location to switch to? |
| 16:54.31 | bitHipy | GUIs are a pain in the ass |
| 16:54.54 | somiaj | bitHipy: is this network-manager? |
| 16:55.12 | fahi | bitHipy: I don't think so, but wicd has a curses gui |
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| 16:55.42 | somiaj | you can also configure/manager your network with /etc/network/interfaces |
| 16:55.47 | bitHipy | somiaj: kind of, I think. It's a prepackage network tool. But i understand network-manager to be the thing in the tray that configures wifi |
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| 16:56.20 | bitHipy | somiaj: if I add an interface to /etc/network/interfaces, how do I switch to it? |
| 16:56.36 | fahi | somiaj: that's not really a comfortable option when you move around multiple wireless networks a lot :) |
| 16:56.42 | somiaj | bitHipy: well network-manager is a daemon that runs in the backgroudn in which you can connect to with a client (the thing in the tray) which can manage both wired and wireless interfaces. |
| 16:57.12 | somiaj | fahi: I use it just fine. 'ifup wlan0=alais' brings up what ever alias i have configured. Only issue is I have to add a few enetries to a text file for each new network once instead of selecting it from a gui list. |
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| 16:57.26 | bitHipy | docs say to /etc/init.d/network restart after changing /etc/network/interfaces, but there must be some way to tell it which interface to use |
| 16:57.44 | somiaj | bitHipy: ifdown interface && ifup interface |
| 16:58.05 | fahi | somiaj: mh, does this work with networks with different authentication schemes too? |
| 16:58.27 | somiaj | fahi: sure you can use either wep or wpa supplicant. |
| 16:58.41 | bitHipy | somiaj: I don't follow. Suppose a create an interface "MYHOME", how do I tell it to switch to "MYHOME"? |
| 16:58.49 | somiaj | you can even use {pre,post}{up,down} scripts to further customize it |
| 16:58.53 | fahi | somiaj: I didn't know that, thanks |
| 16:59.00 | somiaj | bitHipy: ifup wlan0=MYHOME |
| 16:59.09 | bitHipy | somiaj: thanks |
| 16:59.17 | somiaj | bitHipy: ifdown wlan0 brings down wlan0 (no matter what alias you used to bring it up) |
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| 16:59.28 | fahi | somiaj: does this work when there are multiple access points with the same bssids? does it automatically connect to the closest one? |
| 16:59.32 | somiaj | also chmod 600 /etc/network/interfaces if you don't want the network passwords world readable. |
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| 16:59.53 | somiaj | fahi: this is just a simple front end to ifconfig/iwconfig |
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| 17:00.25 | somiaj | fahi: when you tell iwconfig to connect to an essid it will choose the strongest AP. If you need to manually choose an AP or iwconfig has trouble with finding one with your wireless card you may have to do some tweaking |
| 17:00.54 | fahi | somiaj: okay, sounds good, thanks |
| 17:00.58 | somiaj | with with a preup script you can send iwconfig special options to ensure you connect to the right AP |
| 17:01.41 | somiaj | fahi: I have a little bit of trouble with networks that have multiple AP's, but it isn't the issue of /etc/network/interfaces, it is my crapy wireless drivers for this even crappier wireless card. |
| 17:02.10 | somiaj | i.e. the wireless card has trouble assoicating and staying assoicated with the right AP. But even if I use a network-manager I have the same issues |
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| 17:03.31 | fahi | somiaj: Okay, I guess I will stick to wicd for now as it is much easier to setup and has a nice text-based ui, but your way using aliases seems quite clean too |
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| 17:05.00 | innociv | Does anyone have experience with rackspace's hosting? What do they do if you get DDoS'd? I would think they'd do something, with how expensive it is. |
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| 17:05.31 | zeleboba1 | hello |
| 17:05.44 | zeleboba1 | Hello,i have Debian Server : But not correctly work php pages from a folder/var/www/, phpmyadmin it is established |
| 17:05.46 | somiaj | fahi: just realize wicd is not in active development (and hasn't been for some time). It may eventally be removed from testing and thus debian because of this |
| 17:05.53 | zeleboba1 | The rights to pages 777, advise something . My config is Apache/2.2.16 (Debian) DAV/2 PHP/5.3.3-7+squeeze8 with Suhosin-Patch mod_ssl/2.2.16 OpenSSL/0.9.8o configured |
| 17:06.33 | fahi | somiaj: Oh, I did not know that, looks like I will have to change my setup eventually then :) |
| 17:07.17 | somiaj | fahi: I do like wcid better thatn network-manager, but I found both of them to intrusive as opposed to /etc/network/interfaces. |
| 17:08.12 | fahi | somiaj: yeah, I did not think about using aliases when I set up my laptop |
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| 17:13.57 | somiaj | innociv: might depend on what service you pay for. I'm sure they protect their whole network against common DDoS attacks, but they probabaly don't protect you against everything (managed servers are usually really expensive $300/mo or more) |
| 17:14.16 | innociv | rackspace cheapest decent server is $770 a month. |
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| 17:15.26 | foxtrot9 | does the latest amd catalyst video driver work with debian squeeze? |
| 17:15.39 | somiaj | I was just looking at their 1.5cent/hour cloud services. Yea if they are charging that for a decent server it is a managed server so they should have people activally monintoring it....but I would suggest calling their technecial support for exact details. |
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| 17:16.03 | somiaj | foxtrot9: by default debian does not support the upsream non-free driver |
| 17:16.19 | somiaj | foxtrot9: you can get a newer catalyst driver for debian squeeze-from backports (But this isn't the newest) |
| 17:16.27 | somiaj | ,versions fglrx-driver |
| 17:16.28 | judd | Package: fglrx-driver on i386 -- lenny/non-free: 1:8-12-4; lenny-backports/non-free: 1:10-4-1~bpo50+1; squeeze/non-free: 1:10-9-3; sid/non-free: 1:12-2-2; wheezy/non-free: 1:12-2-2 |
| 17:16.42 | foxtrot9 | ok thanks |
| 17:16.51 | somiaj | hmm, I thought there was a more recent version in backports |
| 17:17.24 | somiaj | http://packages.debian.org/squeeze-backports/fglrx-driver -- 11.4 is in backports, seems judd isn't finding it |
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| 17:18.45 | somiaj | foxtrot9: you can install the driver with the upstream sources, but due to the debian package manager not knowing that it is installed, upgrades could overwrite files and other things could cause issues. Also we don't support the installer if it fails. (so possible yes, but you are kinda left to your own devices) |
| 17:19.28 | kevlarman | somiaj: i don't know about squeeze, but it doesn't install on 64 bit wheezy without manual intervention |
| 17:20.03 | somiaj | kevlarman: never tried it, I assumed you could get it to install, but it is not the prefed way..(: |
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| 17:20.29 | kevlarman | somiaj: it assumes /usr/lib64 is the correct place to stick 64 bit libraries |
| 17:20.41 | Jdbye | so before i do this - is upgrading squeeze to wheezy by changing the apt sources and using dist-upgrade a safe/supported thing to do or will that make me hated by everyone here? |
| 17:21.03 | foxtrot9 | somiaj, so if I use the default open source ati driver, aptitude should update fine correct? |
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| 17:21.09 | kevlarman | Jdbye: that's apparently the recommended way to install testing |
| 17:21.15 | Jdbye | ah |
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| 17:21.17 | somiaj | Jdbye: that is the prefered method. Is it safe -- usually but not always, is it supported -- testing isn't offical supported. (: |
| 17:21.22 | Jdbye | because my server host doesn't have a wheezy image |
| 17:21.34 | somiaj | Jdbye: running wheezy on a server is bad bad juju |
| 17:21.38 | somiaj | Jdbye: look into backports |
| 17:21.50 | Jdbye | i've used backports, but they lack things |
| 17:21.55 | kevlarman | somiaj: i've done it twice recently, and both times the dist-upgrade left a minor mess :( |
| 17:21.59 | Jdbye | or aren't up to date |
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| 17:22.00 | somiaj | foxtrot9: you can even use the fglrx-drivers package from non-free and aptitude will update just fine. |
| 17:22.09 | somiaj | Jdbye: make your own backports |
| 17:22.14 | Jdbye | but that's work |
| 17:22.35 | foxtrot9 | somiaj, now that is just awesome, thanks a lot |
| 17:22.56 | Jdbye | if i liked doing things manually, i wouldn't be using apt :p |
| 17:23.20 | somiaj | foxtrot9: it is just the fglrx-drivers aren't the current drivers from ati. If the ones in squeeze are to old, try the ones in backports. If those are still to old because you have bleeding edge hardware, debian may not be for you (well your hardware just isn't uspported by default) |
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| 17:23.59 | somiaj | Jdbye: well testing has the worst security of all of debian, things will break. It isn't suggested for a production server for such reasons |
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| 17:24.04 | Jdbye | and i was thinking wheezy is probably a better choice than sid, which i've ran in the past without any problems (at least, not caused by using sid) |
| 17:24.38 | Jdbye | so by that do you mean i should use sid instead? |
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| 17:24.55 | kevlarman | Jdbye: nope, sid on a server is also a terrible idea |
| 17:25.21 | somiaj | Jdbye: I personally prefer sid over testing...each has its own set of problems. Less grave bugs make it to testing, but fixes/security and major package upgrades (such as gnome3) is why I prefer sid. (But I'm a desktop user) |
| 17:25.31 | somiaj | Jdbye: I would never suggest anything except debian stable for a server. |
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| 17:26.04 | fasta | How can I configure that certain applications can only read files from certain directories? |
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| 17:26.12 | somiaj | Jdbye: fixes/security patches take much longer to make it into testing. If something is broken in testing, the fix has to filter though sid before it makes it to testing (this takes weeks to months depending on the package) |
| 17:26.17 | jelly | I used to go with testing on a server esp. if it was in late freeze. |
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| 17:26.56 | sharpK | is there a way to set my smb.conf to allow anything and everything on the LAN access, cause after quite a bunch of googling and attempts at different settings, windows 7 still wants a user/pass (which never works, even when I try to set a user)....? |
| 17:27.00 | fasta | I find it quite unconfortable that any random application I might install has complete access to all my files. |
| 17:27.18 | somiaj | fasta: in what sense, file permisions are one way, putting things into a chroot is another way (though don't think of chroots as being fully secure) |
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| 17:27.46 | jelly | fasta: http://qubes-os.org ! |
| 17:28.10 | fasta | somiaj: I mean that e.g. mplayer is allowed to open .avi files, but not .txt documents. |
| 17:28.12 | somiaj | fasta: you probabaly want to run applications that you don't want to have access to the whole system in a virtual enviroment or chroot....Though I've been liking openVZ its containers seem to give you the security of jails. |
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| 17:28.37 | somiaj | fasta: really no nice way to do this unless you jail your application in a world it cannot see other things. |
| 17:29.04 | Jdbye | somiaj: however, that should just mean it has older packages, as every update goes through sid first as far as i know |
| 17:29.10 | somiaj | fasta: though for the most part being able to read a file isn't bad. Sure mplayer can read most files on your system, but it can't write to them or do anything harmful to them if ran as an unprivlaged user. |
| 17:29.10 | Jdbye | so it should technically be more stable than sid |
| 17:29.25 | somiaj | Jdbye: correct, it has less grave bugs. |
| 17:29.27 | kevlarman | somiaj: any idea what's happening with the dpkg in experimental? |
| 17:29.44 | somiaj | Jdbye: but it also has other issues unique to testing because of the filtering though sid first. |
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| 17:30.09 | fasta | somiaj: the thing is that I don't want to switch users all day. |
| 17:30.14 | somiaj | Jdbye: note grave bugs do make it to testing because sometimes the grave bug isn't due to the package in sid, but due to one of its depends in testing. |
| 17:30.28 | bambanx | guys anyone can say me pls what technology use this web? i dunno if is java python php .... http://www.comparaonline.com/banda-ancha#ilimitado=todos&wifi=todos&companias=&max_velocidad_bajada_en_kbs_movil=0,10&max_velocidad_bajada_en_kbs_hogar=0,40&renta_mensual_movil=0,30000&renta_mensual_hogar=0,50000 |
| 17:30.33 | somiaj | kevlarman: nope, I personallly have no desire to use an experimential package manager. (: |
| 17:30.42 | fasta | somiaj: most programs only need access to a small part of my directory tree. |
| 17:30.56 | fasta | somiaj: so, that's all I want to give them access too also. |
| 17:31.04 | kevlarman | somiaj: i don't either, but i'm starting to get almost impatient enough to do it anyway :( |
| 17:31.22 | fasta | jelly: can you tell a little bit more about it? |
| 17:31.34 | fasta | jelly: I looked at their website FAQ. |
| 17:32.04 | jelly | fasta: no, it's just a curiosity I know about |
| 17:32.15 | somiaj | fasta: so follow the link jelly gave you, which is just similar to as I suggested, you run each application in its own virtulized or jailed enviroment. |
| 17:32.15 | jelly | apps separated in VMs |
| 17:32.36 | somiaj | though I think openVZ and containers would require less resources for such a thing |
| 17:32.49 | kevlarman | somiaj: currently, if something isn't in ia32-libs, i'm mostly screwed |
| 17:32.57 | jelly | somiaj: but it's sooooo less secure! |
| 17:33.30 | fasta | somiaj: but is that integrated then? |
| 17:33.51 | somiaj | jelly: haven't looked into the security issues but I thought openVZ containers have comperable security to BSD jails which I thought were considered fairly secure |
| 17:33.59 | somiaj | fasta: no you have to set it up yourself. |
| 17:34.16 | kevlarman | somiaj: it still means you have to trust the entire kernel |
| 17:34.27 | kevlarman | which is a bit more surface area than xen |
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| 17:35.16 | fasta | somiaj: I think an apt-get install securefirefox (which can only read .firefox and a 'share' directory) would do wonders for security. |
| 17:35.18 | somiaj | kevlarman: sure but you still have to trust the kernels in xen as well. I really like the idea and hope it matures. Virtualization is nice, but I think overused. |
| 17:35.37 | fasta | somiaj: security has to be easy to add for the end-user, or it won't happen. |
| 17:35.39 | kevlarman | somiaj: e.g. it's a near certainty that anything with access to hardware accelerated libGL can break out of a freebsd jail |
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| 17:36.39 | somiaj | fasta: I think you are over paranoid. for the most part user data is the only thing I really worry about, and if I did I would hide it away in an encpryted parptition and give ownership to another user that isn't running things. |
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| 17:37.17 | somiaj | fasta: but it isn't an easy process to do. That is why there are various options. |
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| 17:38.30 | somiaj | kevlarman: yea it would be nice if they could come up with a nice secure way to deal with chroots/jails/containers...I just find virtualizing a whole os to jail a small number of processes overkill. |
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| 17:38.53 | somiaj | kevlarman: and for linux openVZ seems to be the best to offer since chroots are so easy to break out of with root access. |
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| 17:39.22 | kevlarman | somiaj: the thing is... |
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| 17:39.35 | kevlarman | somiaj: the graphics hardware has direct access to physical memory |
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| 17:39.52 | kevlarman | short of iommu there is no securing it |
| 17:41.08 | kevlarman | (and currently iommu requires somewhat expensive hardware) |
| 17:41.09 | somiaj | kevlarman: well most places this would be a major issue, I'd assume headless machines are used. (: |
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| 17:44.36 | somiaj | kevlarman: but I'm not that paranoid. and if I was I'd just hide all my user data on an encrypted partition/file and run my applications as an unprivlaged user. |
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| 17:49.09 | delvalle26 | What's the best way to permanently disable all pc speaker beeps with the new linux kernels? |
| 17:49.31 | delvalle26 | (running Debian Sid, and looks like blacklist.conf is deprecated now) |
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| 17:51.31 | somiaj | delvalle26: in what sense? I think the prefered way is /etc/modprobe.d/disable_pcspkr.conf or something like that, but I don't see why you can't keep using blacklist.conf in there as well |
| 17:52.39 | delvalle26 | somiaj: blacklist.conf.dpkg-bak, basically apt removed blacklist.conf |
| 17:52.54 | delvalle26 | and there is also a snd_pcsp thing, not just pcspkr |
| 17:53.05 | delvalle26 | I was googling a bit, but I'd like to know the "new" proper way |
| 17:53.09 | delvalle26 | if there is one anyway |
| 17:53.28 | somiaj | delvalle26: did it put a new one there? |
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| 17:53.34 | delvalle26 | there is also an alsa-base-blacklist, but I'm not a fan of rebooting |
| 17:53.35 | delvalle26 | now |
| 17:53.37 | delvalle26 | err no |
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| 17:53.50 | delvalle26 | if it's been deprecated I'd like to move forward |
| 17:53.51 | somiaj | delvalle26: did you tell apt when it was upgraded to use the 'new' config file during the upgrade? |
| 17:54.03 | delvalle26 | don't even recall it prompting me to be honest |
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| 17:54.22 | delvalle26 | I just recent ran an apt-get autoremove, and then beeps like no tomorrow while doing tab completion |
| 17:54.35 | somiaj | delvalle26: that file was used with the alsa-base files, so just make up your own file in there that you don't think debian will mess with and you'll be fine. |
| 17:54.39 | delvalle26 | did modprobe -r to get rid of the beeps, but I'd like to not do it every time |
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| 17:55.20 | somiaj | delvalle26: all changinge the file to blacklist.conf.dpkg-bak was debian was making a backup of your current config file and then replaced with with the default config file which seems to just have been renamed to alsa-base-blacklist.conf |
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| 17:55.41 | somiaj | delvalle26: so its your choice if you want to add the blacklist to that file, or as I said you can just make a new .conf file in that dir and call it whatever you want |
| 17:55.42 | Deathzor | nemysis: more then enough. |
| 17:56.28 | delvalle26 | somiaj: thanks, I'm googling this a bit, and there is something about prepending ! to modules, but I'm not sure in regard to debian specifically |
| 17:56.35 | delvalle26 | http://www.pclinuxos.com/forum/index.php?topic=70652.5;wap2 |
| 17:56.40 | nemysis | now works GAG with Debian and GRUB2, have a /boot partiitons |
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| 17:58.31 | free__ | hello |
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| 18:00.09 | somiaj | delvalle26: http://wiki.debian.org/KernelModuleBlacklisting |
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| 18:01.55 | somiaj | delvalle26: that page aggrees with what I said. Just make a custom file for blacklisting that module (as opposed to a generic file used to blacklist all modules) |
| 18:01.56 | delvalle26 | somiaj: Thanks, will take a look right now |
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| 18:03.11 | somiaj | delvalle26: actually looks lke they perfer you call it by its module name. |
| 18:03.51 | delvalle26 | I personally would prefer all beeps be disabled by default, it's actually embarrising in the case of laptops |
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| 18:04.12 | delvalle26 | I'm glad I wasn't in a library at the moment ;) |
| 18:04.46 | delvalle26 | but that's another matter all together, anyway I'll find out how well the changes work the next time I reboot |
| 18:04.48 | delvalle26 | thanks again :) |
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| 18:08.09 | somiaj | delvalle26: echo set bell-style none > ~/.inputrc (if you use bash) |
| 18:08.21 | somiaj | that will disable all shell beeps but keep your system speaker for other issues |
| 18:08.29 | delvalle26 | somiaj: Thanks, but the thing is I never want it to beep under any circumstance |
| 18:08.43 | delvalle26 | that includes shutdown, boot, whatever so I prefer to completely disable it |
| 18:08.53 | Sami345 | So I am installing Win7 and I know it will overwrite my grub bootloader. Can I somehow recover it after installing Windows? |
| 18:09.11 | somiaj | Sami345: yes, but you'll need a rescue/or live image |
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| 18:09.44 | jhutchins_wk | !tell Sami345 about fixgrub |
| 18:10.37 | Synthead | can preseeds be pulled from SSL (https://...) ? |
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| 18:12.41 | karamorf | I'm trying to create a deb package of python 2.7 for debian lenny, figured the source package for wheezy would be a good place to start. however it errors on build. would it be better to just use the actual python source and build the deb package from that? |
| 18:14.30 | somiaj | ,versions python2.7 |
| 18:14.33 | judd | Package: python2.7 on i386 -- wheezy: 2.7.2-8; sid: 2.7.3~rc1-1 |
| 18:14.51 | somiaj | karamorf: there is a lot of changes from lenny -> wheezy, makes backporting very hard from wheezy |
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| 18:15.15 | somiaj | karamorf: in general most lenny-backports come from squeeze for this reason. Also may want to hink of updating to squeeze since lenny is no longer supported. |
| 18:15.18 | karamorf | somiaj: well right, I'm not looking to upgrade python. just looking to install it along side the existing python |
| 18:15.42 | somiaj | karamorf: you will have to look though the errors you get and might have to backport a lot of support libaries. |
| 18:15.43 | karamorf | somiaj: if only that decision was up to me |
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| 18:16.32 | karamorf | somiaj: installing from the source works fine. I was just trying to be lazy and not create the various debian/* files by hand to build a deb package out of it |
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| 18:17.06 | karamorf | mostly cause I haven't done it before. I've worked with building deb packages plenty, just never from scratch. |
| 18:17.16 | somiaj | karamorf: well with lots of changes in debina policy, it is probabaly something there. If the upstream source compiles just fine, lots of times you can use the cdbs to create a single package from the source wth a minimial debian/ dir |
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| 18:17.52 | karamorf | somiaj: thanks |
| 18:17.55 | somiaj | karamorf: http://packages.debian.org/lenny/cdbs 9 |
| 18:18.02 | somiaj | maybe that will serve as a starting point |
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| 18:18.28 | somiaj | I forget the old syntax, but you can just use dh_make -cdbs (or something like that look up the correct syntax) to build a simple debian/ dir |
| 18:18.31 | nukenn | jelly, yes i have a switch with LACP configured, two ports Giga connected into a linux server, and more two pcs conected in GigaPorts, when I run iperf, in the snmp graph from the switch, the speed it's 1Gb |
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| 18:19.33 | nukenn | jelly: I've configure the bond module, my nics are using e1000 module, i'm use mode=4 for the bond |
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| 18:20.36 | nukenn | jelly: when I run cat /proc/net/bonding/bond0 show me that everythin it's ok |
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| 18:22.18 | crn | how do i get the source code for the utility dd? |
| 18:22.50 | somiaj | crn: dpkg -S /bin/dd -- gives you the package it came with |
| 18:23.07 | somiaj | crn: apt-get source package_name (you must have a deb-src line in your sources.list for this -- if you don't have one add one) |
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| 18:24.21 | crn | somaij its in coreutils but i cant get the source |
| 18:24.44 | somiaj | crn: do you have a deb-src line in /etc/apt/sources.list for source packages/ |
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| 18:25.33 | crn | i think so but i'll check again |
| 18:25.42 | somiaj | crn: packages.debian.org/coreutils is useful -- from there I got http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/coreutils -- you can see the source package name is coreutils and even download the source rght from there if you don't wan tot use apt |
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| 18:26.05 | somiaj | note sometimes source package names are not the same as the binary package. |
| 18:27.11 | crn | i have a source line |
| 18:27.28 | jelly-home | nukenn: weird, that's pretty much how things are configured here on the linux end |
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| 18:27.44 | somiaj | crn: what is your deb-src line and what does apt-get source coreutils return? |
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| 18:28.14 | jelly-home | nukenn: (this is on RHEL5; I don't have a Debian machine with bonding any more) install bond0 /sbin/modprobe bonding miimon=100 mode=4 xmit_hash_policy=1 max_bonds=2 |
| 18:28.32 | crn | deb-src ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main contrib non-free |
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| 18:28.54 | Nik05 | hey guys |
| 18:29.14 | dvs | Nik05: why are you here and on OFTC? |
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| 18:29.22 | nukenn | jelly-home, ok man i will try, thanks! |
| 18:29.23 | somiaj | crn: apt-get update (I don't see why you aren't getting that source) |
| 18:29.24 | Nik05 | :D |
| 18:29.32 | Nik05 | dvs why are you here and on OFTC? |
| 18:29.37 | somiaj | crn: do you have write privlages to the directory you are running apt-get source in (and you dont have to be root to use that command) |
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| 18:30.28 | dvs | Nik05: That's my evil twin. ;-P |
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| 18:31.22 | crn | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:32.20 | somiaj | crn: did you rerun apt-get update as suggested? |
| 18:32.56 | crn | no i will. one min. |
| 18:33.05 | somiaj | crn: I have to go, but that should fix your issue |
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| 18:34.14 | dff | what is drwxr-xr-x in numerals? |
| 18:34.24 | jelly-home | 0755 |
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| 18:34.54 | dvs | but r and w aren't roman numeral! ;-) |
| 18:35.01 | dff | jelly-home: you know that by heart or is there a site where you can enter that stuff in and get numerals? |
| 18:35.03 | crn | no change |
| 18:35.25 | jelly-home | dff: ♥ |
| 18:36.02 | jelly-home | !permissions |
| 18:36.02 | dpkg | For information on permissions, read info coreutils 'File Permissions', http://mywiki.wooledge.org/Permissions and http://www.comptechdoc.org/os/linux/usersguide/linux_ugfilesp.html . For further information, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_permission and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chmod and follow the setuid and setgid links within. See also <ssh permissions>, <qotd232>. http://wiki.debian.org/Permissions |
| 18:36.08 | dff | thanks |
| 18:36.11 | foxtrot9 | dff you can calculate it by hand, r is worth 4, w is worth 2, and x is worth 1, add the group of 3s together to get the numbers |
| 18:36.39 | dff | foxtrot9: i need to use chmod twice a year, brain full with other stuff :) |
| 18:36.53 | foxtrot9 | i understand, we've all been there |
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| 18:37.54 | dvs | dff: I use the other way of changing permissions now. |
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| 18:39.57 | jelly-home | I'm better at dealing with numbers than letters |
| 18:40.30 | dvs | mails jelly-home a letter |
| 18:42.31 | jelly-home | sends back A4 |
| 18:42.36 | dvs | heh |
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| 18:42.50 | dvs | likes cars ;-) |
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| 18:43.56 | nukenn | jelly-home: not work yet man... |
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| 18:45.08 | plat | hi |
| 18:45.42 | plat | incredible debian minimal install didnt detected my realtek ethernet 100mbits |
| 18:45.51 | plat | what modules should i load |
| 18:46.03 | plat | i only got lo0 |
| 18:46.23 | jelly-home | plat: can you tell us the PCI-ID hex numbers for your card? Use "lspci -nn" to find them out |
| 18:46.33 | jelly-home | the [1234:5678] bit |
| 18:46.53 | valdyn | plat: some via-rhine cards drivers are not autoloaded, that can be realtek |
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| 18:47.02 | plat | sure its |
| 18:47.07 | valdyn | plat: in that case this would be "modprobe via-rhine" |
| 18:47.22 | plat | rtl8101E/rtl8102E |
| 18:47.50 | jelly-home | not that, the [ ... : ... ] thing near the end of that line |
| 18:48.22 | plat | 10ec:8136 |
| 18:48.30 | jelly-home | ,pciid 10ec:8136 |
| 18:48.31 | judd | [10ec:8136] is 'RTL8101E/RTL8102E PCI Express Fast Ethernet controller' from 'Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.' with kernel module 'r8169' in squeeze. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=10ec:8136 |
| 18:48.48 | dvs | you need firmware my friend |
| 18:48.53 | plat | tks |
| 18:48.54 | jelly-home | !r8169 |
| 18:48.55 | dpkg | r8169 is a driver in the mainline Linux kernel supporting the Realtek RTL8169, RTL8168 and RTL8101 families of gigabit Ethernet chips. See also <rtl8168d>, <rtl8105e>. |
| 18:49.03 | jelly-home | dvs: really? |
| 18:49.15 | plat | i will read it judd |
| 18:49.23 | dvs | jelly-home: There is a realtek firmware package |
| 18:49.34 | plat | what should i do them ? |
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| 18:49.54 | jelly-home | dvs: yes, there is, but is it really for that card as well? |
| 18:50.15 | dvs | jelly-home: I guess the /var/log/messages holds that answer |
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| 18:50.56 | plat | what should i do |
| 18:51.06 | plat | load r169 |
| 18:51.10 | plat | load r8169 |
| 18:51.13 | plat | _ |
| 18:51.15 | plat | ? |
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| 18:51.24 | jelly-home | plat: it can't hurt to try that, then... grab the .deb file from http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/all/firmware-realtek/download, get it to the machine somehow and install it using dpkg -i |
| 18:51.38 | plat | ok tks |
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| 18:52.06 | jelly-home | plat: reboot afterwards and see if an eth something appears |
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| 18:58.02 | think | GStreamer was unable to detect any sound devices. |
| 18:58.06 | plat | rebooting |
| 18:58.07 | plat | brb |
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| 18:59.57 | plat | didnt work |
| 19:00.02 | plat | eth0 does not exit |
| 19:01.51 | plat | but dmseg shows |
| 19:01.52 | plat | re0 |
| 19:01.55 | plat | now |
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| 19:03.05 | plat | says uknown harware revision |
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| 19:05.41 | think | I just installed debian squeeze, and i don't have any sound, it says Gstreamer was unable to detect any sound devices, and I don't see one when I do lspci, but I see the modules when I do lsmod |
| 19:06.38 | jelly-home | !tell think about alsa checklist |
| 19:07.13 | jelly-home | plat: which debian architecture are you using? dpkg --print-architecture |
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| 19:07.21 | TristamWrk | Anybody have any ideas on a pair of LAMP servers (one lenny, one squeeze) that keep remounting / read only with nothing apparent in the logs as to the cause? The lenny server just recently had mysql and php installed and had no problem prior. |
| 19:07.36 | plat | amd64 freebsd |
| 19:07.44 | jelly-home | !kfreebsd |
| 19:07.45 | dpkg | Debian GNU/kFreeBSD is a port that consists of GNU userland using the GNU C library on top of FreeBSD's kernel, coupled with the regular Debian package set. kfreebsd-amd64 and kfreebsd-i386 were released as a "technology preview" for Squeeze, ask me about <install guide>. http://www.debian.org/ports/kfreebsd-gnu/ http://glibc-bsd.alioth.debian.org/doc/ http://wiki.debian.org/Debian_GNU/kFreeBSD_FAQ #debian-kbsd on irc.oftc.net. |
| 19:08.05 | jelly-home | plat: ask in there, #debian-kbsd on irc.oftc.net, might get better answers |
| 19:08.23 | plat | nvm i will go amd64 pure |
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| 19:08.59 | plat | tks jelly |
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| 19:11.28 | think | I dont see a sound card when I run lshw, but my mainboard has built in sound |
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| 19:13.43 | chao | think: Boo-hoo. Want a hankie to cry about it? |
| 19:15.35 | TristamWrk | That's not a terribly helpful comment. :P |
| 19:15.44 | think | chao, huh, whats you problem? |
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| 19:15.55 | chao | haha sorry, just drinking some wine, JUST a bit of Internet sarcasm to brighten your day/night/whatever!! =^_^= |
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| 19:16.13 | chao | think: Did you make ABSOLUTELY sure it's not disabled in your BIOS setup? |
| 19:16.34 | think | ok, I will go check |
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| 19:19.55 | think | chao, yep, it was disabled in bios haha, what a surprise |
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| 19:20.33 | chao | Not too surprising over here... no other plausible reason the Linux kernel would fail to see it unless a sub-OS setting was explicitely disabling it |
| 19:20.40 | chao | either that or physical damage |
| 19:20.49 | chao | enjoy your audio output |
| 19:20.50 | think | chao, yep |
| 19:20.55 | think | chao, you right about that |
| 19:21.08 | think | chao, I thought I would have to go buy a sound card |
| 19:21.16 | chao | haha |
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| 19:26.37 | bitHipy | running this command screws up if Network Manager already brought up eth1 => ifdown -a && ifup -v eth1=custom1 |
| 19:27.06 | bitHipy | so i have to go into the Network Manager gui, and *disable* eth1 first |
| 19:27.19 | bitHipy | is there a way to disable eth1 from the commandline? |
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| 19:28.43 | bitHipy | i tried => /etc/init.d/networking stop |
| 19:28.43 | somiaj | bitHipy: network-manager by defaults ignores any device that is explicity mentioned in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 19:29.12 | somiaj | so a line 'iface eth1 inet dhcp' would be enough to get network manager to ignore it (you will have to restart network-manager to get this to take effect but from there on out it will ignore the device) |
| 19:29.43 | somiaj | my personally suggestion is if you are going to use /etc/network/interfaces for all your devices and just want NM for a backup, just don't run NM |
| 19:29.54 | somiaj | update-rc.d network-manager disable |
| 19:30.03 | bitHipy | somiaj: maybe i need to reboot the machine then.. |
| 19:30.12 | bitHipy | somiaj: thanks, i'll try that |
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| 19:31.01 | plat | how do i load x in debian |
| 19:31.03 | somiaj | bitHipy: /etc/init.d/network-manager restart |
| 19:31.09 | somiaj | plat: what do you mean load? |
| 19:31.21 | plat | soz how do i install x enviroment |
| 19:31.35 | somiaj | plat: there are various packages you can install, xserver-xorg-core is a good one to install |
| 19:31.43 | plat | tks |
| 19:31.45 | plat | netinstall |
| 19:31.47 | _joe | hi friendly debian people. is there a way i could use openvpn during my install? (somehow load openvpn while running debian-installer?) |
| 19:31.50 | somiaj | plat: you will then want to install a DM (such as gnome/kde/xorg/lxde) or a WM on top of that. |
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| 19:32.43 | _joe | alternately i could use ssh+iptables, but it's sorta the same question -- i need to pull some additional programs into my installer |
| 19:33.04 | plat | i tought debian had it owns x |
| 19:33.06 | plat | own x |
| 19:33.10 | plat | like puppylinux |
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| 19:35.54 | bitHipy | _joe: not sure. but you might consider installing openvpn on a dd-wrt router, then you can get the same effect w/out doing anything complex in debian |
| 19:36.32 | _joe | ah sure, hadn't thought of that. good idea! |
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| 19:37.58 | somiaj | plat: what do you mean its own x? debian uses xorg but it does patch it (and in the past ported parts of it to non-standard archectures) |
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| 19:41.15 | bassliner | hi there, i just updated my debian box and there was a security issue message while updating "mysql-common". however i just hit "q" to continue the update. can i view that message again? |
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| 19:42.32 | bassliner | http://www.debian.org/security/2012/dsa-2429 does it, but is there a way using a command? |
| 19:42.44 | lapsusbrutus | bassliner: should be in roots "mailbox" I think |
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| 19:44.05 | bassliner | yea thank you |
| 19:44.53 | lapsusbrutus | np :) |
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| 20:10.00 | ksuhku | !ask |
| 20:10.00 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 20:12.38 | Yeretik | Can anybody suggest me hot to define proxy exceptions for chromium? |
| 20:12.41 | Yeretik | Can anybody suggest me how to define proxy exceptions for chromium? |
| 20:12.43 | KaKila | I am having problems wirh libhdf5-openmpi. What other libhdf5 can replace libhdf5-serial? |
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| 20:18.14 | Yeretik | Hi, how can i set proxy exceptions for chromium browser in debian gnu/linux ? |
| 20:18.49 | Yeretik | Hi, how can i set proxy exceptions for chromium browser in debian gnu/linux ? |
| 20:19.30 | dirtycookie | hi people, i'am new at setting up a webserver and have a few questions. i want to setup an apache server that servers several subdomains like domain1.example.com and domain2.example.com can someone send me a "noobfriendly" link that could explain me howto set this up in a proffessional manner?? |
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| 20:21.42 | KaKila | getting this error all the time usr/include/H5public.h:57:20: fatal error: mpi.h: No such file or directory |
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| 20:22.01 | KaKila | I removed all the libhdf5 with --purge and reinstalled mpich |
| 20:22.07 | KaKila | but it doesn't fix it...$ |
| 20:22.11 | KaKila | any help? |
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| 20:24.58 | hypn0 | hi, i want to install gambas3, nut only gambas2(old version) is available. how long does it normally take new versions to be added to repos? version 3 has been out for nearly 4 months now :-) |
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| 20:25.53 | zykotic10 | hypn0: what debian version are you running? stable/squeeze? |
| 20:26.32 | hypn0 | Zyferus, i think its stable |
| 20:26.51 | zykotic10 | hypn0: then expect it to never get updated... |
| 20:26.53 | useless-eater | dirtycookie: is vhost what you are looking for? |
| 20:27.32 | hypn0 | zykotic10, thats funny :-) doesnt stable get updated :-) |
| 20:27.49 | zykotic10 | hypn0: security updates yes - but versions upgrades, no. |
| 20:28.00 | useless-eater | hypn0: updating crashes things :) |
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| 20:28.13 | useless-eater | zykotic10: ^ |
| 20:28.53 | zykotic10 | !stable |
| 20:28.54 | dpkg | [stable] The status of a Debian release when no packages will be added or new versions introduced, and changes will only fix security issues and critical bugs. Packages can be removed in rare circumstances. The current stable version of Debian is Squeeze (6.0); ask me about <releases>. Security bugs are fixed in stable by backporting the fix to the current version (ask me about <security backports>). http://wiki.debian.org/DebianStable |
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| 20:31.30 | hypn0 | but i can still compile stuff |
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| 20:34.15 | hypn0 | so should i be using the non stable versions, they become the stable ones in time? |
| 20:34.21 | lcc | I'm considering installing debian from ubuntu, but my wifi is only supported by wheezy. Is the unstable version generally usable? |
| 20:34.36 | valdyn | hypn0: no, you should backport gambas3 |
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| 20:35.14 | valdyn | hypn0: or look if there already is a package for squeeze |
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| 20:36.00 | Ojol | hi, I just tried Kubuntu and realised that KDE can be awesome when implemented nicely, can anyone recommend debian-based KDE-orientated distros? |
| 20:36.14 | valdyn | Ojol: we cant, thats offtopic |
| 20:36.43 | hypn0 | valdyn, i could only find gambas2, someone did sponser gambas3, but nothing seems to have come of it |
| 20:37.11 | valdyn | hypn0: i see |
| 20:37.21 | valdyn | hypn0: so compile it yourself then |
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| 20:40.19 | lcc | hm... |
| 20:40.37 | hypn0 | valdyn, i was using ubuntu, where there gambas3 repo became available almost at release, so this does seem strange :-) |
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| 20:51.10 | equex | hello. i am going to set up debian with shorewall. the docs seems straigtforward but it doesnt mention what else needs to be done. woulld i just need to run a dhcp server for my local network ? shorewall sets up only masq and iptables. |
| 20:51.53 | equex | i would love to throw in squid there too |
| 20:51.58 | valdyn | equex: what else needs to be done for *what* ? |
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| 20:52.45 | valdyn | equex: shorewall is just a program to set firewall rules, its no server, so no dhcp server either |
| 20:53.48 | gnarface | equex: don't forget dns and a caching proxy for apt-get |
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| 20:54.38 | gnarface | equex: you may want to provide a vpn tunnel too, depending on what it is you're doing here |
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| 20:59.53 | leon31 | does anyone know if applications like testdisk can recover files deleted with dd? i accidentally used the wrong device node sdb instead of sdc |
| 21:00.04 | leon31 | or if theres any other way to do it? |
| 21:00.14 | wowi_ | petite question messieurs : j'ai besoin, à l'aide d'un serveur possédant 2 cartes réseaux, qu´une se connecte au net(10.18.X.X), et que l'autre parte sur un switch(192.168.0.X)... J'arrive a pinger l'ip 192.168.0.X, mais impossible de pinger l'autre... je me suis servi de ce tuto : http://www.debianadmin.com/activate-nat-on-debian-etch-and-disable-ipv6-support-on-debian.html ... Voyez-vous un problème ? |
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| 21:00.29 | wowi_ | Sorrt for the french |
| 21:00.31 | valdyn | leon31: what did you overwrite? the whole disk? |
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| 21:01.16 | leon31 | valdyn: well, the file i dd'ed was a debian cd image. so its only 1gb to a 1tb disk |
| 21:01.35 | equex | its just going to be eth0->ISP router with DHCP server and eth1->LAN and i suppose i need a DHHP server as well. So as long i turn on forwarding in shorewall, i should basically have a router/firewall with debian (with GUI) on top. |
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| 21:01.49 | valdyn | leon31: if anything then fsck can recover some files |
| 21:01.50 | equex | s/DHHP/DHCP |
| 21:01.57 | initself | i'm trying to find wkhtmltopdf |
| 21:02.01 | initself | aptitude search wkhtmltopdf |
| 21:02.03 | initself | am i doing it wrong? |
| 21:02.05 | AimHere | leon31, I did have some success digging up files using sleuthkit |
| 21:02.13 | AimHere | after accidentally deleting them |
| 21:02.22 | leon31 | valdyn: will fsck preserve filenames? |
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| 21:02.56 | leon31 | valdyn: and how exactly to use fsck? |
| 21:02.59 | AimHere | Whether the filenames will be preserved is probably filesystem-dependent |
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| 21:03.20 | valdyn | leon31: ext3/4 have backup superblocks at various places on the disk |
| 21:03.26 | equex | gnarface: i am basically following this http://wiki.debian.org/HowTo/shorewall |
| 21:03.29 | leon31 | it was ext4 |
| 21:03.36 | AimHere | Also, I'd be VERY wary of using any automatic filesystem fixer to fix a case like that |
| 21:03.49 | valdyn | leon31: from those superblocks the filesystem or parts of it that are not overwritten can probably be reconstructed |
| 21:04.00 | AimHere | It might end up getting confused because of what you scribbled over it, and overwriting more stuff |
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| 21:04.50 | leon31 | dammit |
| 21:05.02 | leon31 | its the second time ive had this |
| 21:05.07 | equex | gnarface and im thinking all i need is a dhcp server on eth1 right, then it should just work right ? |
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| 21:06.34 | leon31 | fsck needs a valid superblock though which dd overwrote |
| 21:06.43 | cobra-the-joker | Hey guys ... can i use Yast on debian ? |
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| 21:06.49 | equex | but the shorewall docs doesnt actually mention that part. im reading http://www.shorewall.net/shorewall_setup_guide.htm too |
| 21:07.09 | valdyn | equex: shorewall has nothing to do with dhcp |
| 21:07.20 | jelly-home | leon31: if it's fs type ext3 or ext4, the first backup superblock is typically at block offset 32768 |
| 21:07.28 | valdyn | equex: its 2 different things, sure the docs dont need to mention it |
| 21:08.00 | leon31 | jelly-home: i used dd if=foo.iso of=/dev/sdb |
| 21:08.12 | equex | valdyn, yes i understand that. i am asking if a dhcp server is all that is missing from the picture. |
| 21:08.12 | leon31 | not sdb1 |
| 21:08.28 | valdyn | equex: what picture? i dont know what you want to achieve |
| 21:09.07 | equex | valdyn, http://www.shorewall.net/images/dmz3.png essentially this, minus the DMZ |
| 21:09.15 | jelly-home | leon31: how valuable was the data on /dev/sdb? $10? $100? $1000? |
| 21:09.40 | valdyn | equex: dhcp is not required for whatever network topology you want |
| 21:09.46 | leon31 | jelly-home: 10 years worth. i guess that counts as priceless :/ |
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| 21:10.10 | gnarface | equex: eh, probably. personally i don't bother with dhcp, its more of a personal choice |
| 21:10.11 | valdyn | equex: its just a method to automatically configure connected clients |
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| 21:10.21 | equex | valdyn, but how does my clients know their IP adresses on the local network? |
| 21:10.25 | jelly-home | leon31: then you can spend $2000 or so sending the disk to professional data recovery service. |
| 21:10.38 | equex | i dont want to mess with static ips |
| 21:10.46 | jelly-home | or less depending on where you live |
| 21:10.48 | gnarface | equex: then you need a dhcp server, yes |
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| 21:10.57 | valdyn | equex: a) you set the ip manually or b) you use dhcp to configured it automatically or c) avahi or d) i dont know |
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| 21:11.42 | equex | allrighty thighty |
| 21:12.00 | equex | sounds like i have a project tonight then |
| 21:12.04 | equex | :D |
| 21:12.05 | valdyn | !dnsmasq |
| 21:12.13 | valdyn | !test |
| 21:12.14 | dpkg | Test failed. |
| 21:12.40 | useless-eater | dnsmasq is nice, easy to set up, but still very powerful |
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| 21:12.45 | valdyn | equex: maybe you want dnsmasq |
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| 21:13.18 | valdyn | equex: the large "main" dns or dhcp servers are quite complex |
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| 21:14.29 | equex | ah i just googled that now, looks like i will install that. im gonna install squid too. but ive done that before. |
| 21:14.36 | equex | thanks |
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| 21:17.25 | useless-eater | equex: why squid. Check what net is used for, can give good gain, but if only youtube streaming and stuff its more hassle than worth |
| 21:18.44 | useless-eater | equex: on some net usage its a HUGE gain though... but depends on use, and # of users :) |
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| 21:19.23 | equex | mostly news and blogs.. and youtube.. just my home network :D 2 mostly but we read almost the same stuff |
| 21:19.32 | equex | i know its overkill |
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| 21:19.59 | useless-eater | equex: for learning experience then ;) sounds like total overkill hehe |
| 21:20.10 | valdyn | equex: when youre done with that you can make traffic shaping your next project ;) |
| 21:20.11 | equex | yup :) |
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| 21:20.53 | equex | i have a working ipcop installation right now but that laptop thats running it is capable of more than just fw/routing |
| 21:21.51 | equex | so ill smack a debian gui a shorewall+dchp+dnsmasq and use it for memory cards and other USB stuff |
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| 21:22.16 | equex | so illl smack a debian gui on a* |
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| 21:22.23 | useless-eater | dnsmasq contains dhcp btw ;) |
| 21:22.30 | equex | ah rifgr |
| 21:22.33 | equex | ah right |
| 21:22.42 | equex | [6] |
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| 21:23.58 | useless-eater | equex: nice to be able to ssh home from wherever you go :) but then install fail2ban too |
| 21:24.34 | useless-eater | or/and set listening port to something else than 22 + strong pw |
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| 21:25.27 | equex | and since i have a gigabit local network, anything that gets caught in squid should be a good boost... we had about 30-40 % cache hits when i ran squid last time |
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| 21:25.44 | equex | well 20-30 maybe |
| 21:25.49 | leon31 | sorry for late response maybe this will work? http://linuxexpresso.wordpress.com/2010/03/31/repair-a-broken-ext4-superblock-in-ubuntu/ |
| 21:27.04 | equex | useless-eater, fail2ban looks nice :) I might install an apache server and use that for webcam/security |
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| 21:30.50 | equex | would not the best solution to have a machine in dmz too, to serve apache and to ssh in to (and then set up rules to that i can ssh to my main machine from that one) |
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| 21:31.53 | najka | hi |
| 21:31.53 | equex | i have a second old lappy that i could connect to the switch between the ISP router and the Debian install |
| 21:31.54 | najka | all |
| 21:32.14 | najka | help |
| 21:32.19 | najka | help |
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| 21:32.58 | nowhereFast | i have a directory with a few sub directories and each of those directories some sub directories of their own, what i want to do is delete everything retaining only one directory and all of its subdirectories |
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| 21:33.06 | nowhereFast | rm -r [!dirname]* |
| 21:33.10 | nowhereFast | will ^this work? |
| 21:33.18 | dondelelcaro | nowhereFast: no. |
| 21:33.30 | equex | well i think it is off to Skyrim again, ttyl folks |
| 21:33.34 | equex | :D |
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| 21:33.35 | useless-eater | equex: or you could use it as the isp router :p |
| 21:33.49 | nowhereFast | dondelelcaro... -why not? |
| 21:34.37 | equex | hehe |
| 21:34.49 | dondelelcaro | nowhereFast: because that's not a glob? |
| 21:35.02 | equex | yeah i suppose ! |
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| 21:35.22 | dondelelcaro | nowhereFast: the easy way is just to mv dirname ../somewhere_else/; rm * -rf; otherwise, you can do it with find or you can use a pattern if you have extglob on |
| 21:35.24 | equex | the ISP router is quite unsafe... |
| 21:36.11 | nowhereFast | i tried the rm -r command above |
| 21:36.13 | nowhereFast | it did work |
| 21:36.18 | nowhereFast | but im just a little worried |
| 21:36.25 | useless-eater | equex: not hard to replace it. I replaced mine, and works well. slightly faster ping and more stable |
| 21:36.29 | nowhereFast | tht it will deleted any subdirectories of tht directory too |
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| 21:37.38 | dondelelcaro | nowhereFast: it worked, but not because of the reason you think it did. |
| 21:37.45 | nowhereFast | :-j |
| 21:37.48 | nowhereFast | okay... |
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| 21:37.58 | nowhereFast | care to shed some light? |
| 21:38.04 | dondelelcaro | nowhereFast: that would also not delete any directory named dn or namedir or media |
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| 21:38.15 | dondelelcaro | nowhereFast: man bash; read about Pathname Expansion |
| 21:38.16 | diverdude | Hello. is it easy to make a bootable debian usb-disk with can install just a shell on a target computer? |
| 21:38.22 | nowhereFast | okay |
| 21:38.58 | useless-eater | equex: check out cesidian root too <3 |
| 21:39.38 | nowhereFast | wht im actually trying to do is get rid of everything at the root of a directory, and take all the contents of this one sub directory and bring them up one level to the root directory |
| 21:39.55 | dondelelcaro | nowhereFast: what you probably actually want is rm -rf !(dirname); but I'd try that with echo first. |
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| 21:40.29 | initself | let's say i have to interface with a shell script that expects a file called sample.json to be passed as a parameter |
| 21:41.03 | initself | can i do something with system(my.sh, File::IO) or something like that that tricks the shell script into thinking I have a file on disk when really i just have some perl object? |
| 21:41.26 | dondelelcaro | initself: use an fd |
| 21:41.37 | initself | what is an fd? |
| 21:42.00 | dondelelcaro | initself: file descriptor |
| 21:42.33 | dondelelcaro | initself: assuming the shell supports named pipes or /dev/fd, you sould be able to open them using that |
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| 21:45.08 | diverdude | which one is the package i should use to create bootable usb stick here: http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/main/ ? |
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| 21:49.09 | initself | i thought i was in #perl btw! |
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| 21:50.07 | fishsponge_ | hey people - can anyone recommend a GUI-based backup solution simply to backup my two Windows laptops proactively (i.e. whenever they are on the network, not at a specific time)? |
| 21:50.15 | fishsponge_ | rather strange requirements, but ya never know... |
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| 21:53.22 | fishsponge_ | my favourite solution is actually the proprietary, but free, Arkeia free version... but i don't think it can do proactive backup (i.e i'll need to schedule it) |
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| 21:53.59 | gnarface | fishsponge_: check on amanda and backula |
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| 21:56.47 | fishsponge_ | gnarface, thanks - do they both have GUIs and support proactive backup? or are you saying these products simply exist and I should look into them? |
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| 21:57.34 | homes | what's proactive backup? |
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| 21:59.02 | fishsponge_ | homes, proactive backup is where the server continually scans the network for the clients and backs them up once a day (for example) whenevr they are on the LAN, instead of scheduling a backup for a certain time of day |
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| 21:59.32 | useless-eater | fishsponge_: I just set up bacula for a business. Its overkill for two laptops if you dont do it for the learning also :) If windows clients you need to set the process to start delayed.. better for desktops and servers. But will work, and well, if you take your time to configure it well. But its not a walk in the park. |
| 21:59.41 | gnarface | fishsponge_: i don't know, that's why i suggested you check them. i'm not shackled with this requirement so i have the luxury of just using bash scripts |
| 21:59.50 | fishsponge_ | i don't know when my laptop will be on the LAn, you see, so having a server that constantly scans for it and backs it up whenever it's on the LAN would be ideal! I know "Retrospect" does this, but that's a Windows app |
| 22:00.18 | valdyn | fishsponge_: backuppc |
| 22:00.54 | gnarface | would just write a smarter bash script |
| 22:01.00 | fishsponge_ | valdyn, is that another product i should look into, or do you know it has a GUI and supports proactive backup? |
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| 22:01.13 | valdyn | fishsponge_: I use it heavily |
| 22:01.21 | fishsponge_ | i'd love to do it in bash, but tricky considering I have a Windows machine with registry, open files, etc... |
| 22:01.23 | valdyn | fishsponge_: the GUI is web based |
| 22:01.29 | useless-eater | gnarface: I agree on that :) scripts ftw |
| 22:01.37 | fishsponge_ | valdyn, web based is fine - does it support proactive backup though? |
| 22:01.43 | valdyn | fishsponge_: yes |
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| 22:02.29 | fishsponge_ | valdyn, fantastic! presumably it has Windows clients too... right? |
| 22:02.39 | fishsponge_ | server will be debian, clients will be Windows. |
| 22:02.40 | valdyn | fishsponge_: supports everything you need except vss, but that can be done by 2 scripts for windows vista and higher, for XP the scripts get more tricky |
| 22:02.50 | fishsponge_ | vss? |
| 22:03.13 | valdyn | fishsponge_: on windows you cant read open files |
| 22:03.18 | useless-eater | fishsponge_: those laptops.. windows?? why? |
| 22:03.28 | valdyn | fishsponge_: vss creates a snapshot that can be read and backed up including open files |
| 22:03.48 | fishsponge_ | well one is the office machine (which is mostly used for personal use) and the other is for my g/f who already knows windows! |
| 22:04.05 | fishsponge_ | server=debian, nas=debian, media centre=debian though :-) |
| 22:04.17 | fishsponge_ | well, nas = netgear readynas, but it's debian under the hood |
| 22:04.31 | useless-eater | fishsponge_: xp skin :p |
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| 22:05.31 | fishsponge_ | well, yeah... |
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| 22:05.39 | valdyn | fishsponge_: basically the 2 choices I had were bacula and backuppc. Somehow fixing the the vss situation in backuppc and learning it seemed easier than learning bacula, which supports vss directly. |
| 22:05.49 | fishsponge_ | so anyway - does "backuppc" exist in the std apt-get repos? |
| 22:05.58 | useless-eater | fishsponge_: My wife is a very happy debian user, nothing fails ever. And take backup with rsync :) |
| 22:06.01 | gnarface | i lost my last bit of sympathy for windows users when a recent game release (Rage, by Id Software) works on my wine install flawlessly and neither of my buddies with *legit* copies of windows 7 64bit can even install it |
| 22:06.05 | PSR_B1057 | xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd REMOVED from testing. Any way to integrate it again ? |
| 22:06.08 | valdyn | fishsponge_: yes |
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| 22:06.59 | valdyn | fishsponge_: and again about vss, make sure you dont try to apply the winxp method to win7 and vice versa, howtos are not always accurately making that distinction |
| 22:07.04 | fishsponge_ | useless-eater, yeah, rsync is amazing - do you use -avzPSh args? |
| 22:07.17 | tremon | PSR_B1057: compile it yourself? |
| 22:07.22 | useless-eater | fishsponge_: av works for me :) |
| 22:07.29 | fishsponge_ | well, maybe not for cron... so do you use -azh --partial ? |
| 22:08.09 | PSR_B1057 | tremon: I would need some help for it since I'm new to debian/linux |
| 22:08.15 | fishsponge_ | z is good for slow network, of course, --partial is good for large files if the rsync stops half way through and -S is good to compacting sparse files (files full of zeroed blocks) |
| 22:08.22 | fishsponge_ | sure you knew that already though... |
| 22:08.42 | fishsponge_ | valdyn, sorry... still confused... what is vss? |
| 22:08.52 | fishsponge_ | ignore me - just saw your note from earlier |
| 22:08.54 | tremon | fishsponge_: volume shadow copy service iirc |
| 22:09.13 | valdyn | fishsponge_: without that a random backup is useless |
| 22:09.23 | valdyn | fishsponge_: since you cant know whats *not* backed up |
| 22:09.50 | tremon | !tell PSR_B1057 about ssbp |
| 22:10.09 | fishsponge_ | ok, are you saying without vss a random backup is useles? |
| 22:10.29 | valdyn | fishsponge_: yes |
| 22:10.51 | fishsponge_ | ok, so backuppc does not support vss, but without vss backing up is useless? |
| 22:11.08 | valdyn | fishsponge_: you missed alot of what i said, I guess |
| 22:11.22 | tremon | PSR_B1057: you also might want to ask why radeonhd has been removed :) |
| 22:11.28 | fishsponge_ | maybe... let me re-read everything. |
| 22:11.39 | fishsponge_ | almost falling asleep here, but trying to find a solution! lol |
| 22:12.01 | valdyn | fishsponge_: vss is supported only by very few free backup tools |
| 22:12.18 | valdyn | fishsponge_: but theres always a way to *add* that feature |
| 22:12.37 | fishsponge_ | ok... so basically I have one XP laptop (the most important one) and a Win7 laptop - backuppc can do vss with a script for the Win7 machine, but the WinXP one is tricky... right? |
| 22:12.59 | valdyn | fishsponge_: the script is more tricky and less reliable, yes |
| 22:13.22 | fishsponge_ | hmm... sounds too annoying to bother actually... |
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| 22:13.40 | valdyn | fishsponge_: for winxp, yes, I agree, im trying to get the last clients off that |
| 22:13.47 | PSR_B1057 | tremon: true. I really wanted to know about it. So, compiling it myself, right ? any guide to do it ? |
| 22:13.59 | fishsponge_ | it's not *essential* that these laptops are backed up, it'd just be nice if they were... things are getting a little too complicated to make it worth it now though... |
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| 22:14.55 | valdyn | fishsponge_: you dont want something that trivial either. But maybe its easier to use one of the excellent free *windows* backup tools and make those tools poll for the destination |
| 22:14.59 | fishsponge_ | so vss stands for Volume Shadow S???? what? |
| 22:15.07 | gnarface | the primary benefit of Mac OS X over any flavor of windows: my linux bash script for backups works on it too |
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| 22:15.41 | valdyn | fishsponge_: it creates filesystem snapshots in a scalable way |
| 22:15.43 | fishsponge_ | valdyn, i'd rather not use a Windows backup tool, but even if I did, my server is running debian, so without making a VM it'd be kinda hard to run it! |
| 22:15.56 | valdyn | fishsponge_: you dont understand |
| 22:16.09 | fishsponge_ | valdyn, i know what vss does, but I know that feature as "Volume Shadow Copy", but that'd be vsc... |
| 22:16.11 | thewanderer1 | does "ignore formatting" work for anyone in Kopete? I can't seem to disable the other person's chosen font size nor colour. |
| 22:16.16 | valdyn | fishsponge_: if you use windows backup tools, all your server has to do is to provide storage |
| 22:16.24 | tremon | PSR_B1057: you need dpkg's steps 1, 3, 4. Slightly modified because you're going to use squeeze's src on a wheezy install |
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| 22:16.30 | fishsponge_ | valdyn, oh, i see... good point. it already shares over SMB |
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| 22:17.02 | valdyn | fishsponge_: now if you know an easy way to poll for that storage, then you can poll and run that backup if the stoarge is found |
| 22:17.05 | thewanderer1 | I want to know if broken "disable formatting" in Kopete is a local problem or if it's common |
| 22:17.43 | fishsponge_ | valdyn, good point... i think i need to look into this further some day... |
| 22:17.46 | tremon | PSR_B1057: alternatively, ask google about debian source build |
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| 22:18.09 | valdyn | fishsponge_: anyway i doubt theres a "simple" backup tool that does all you want |
| 22:18.28 | valdyn | fishsponge_: theres bound to be some scripting / hard work |
| 22:18.35 | fishsponge_ | valdyn, i agree - was perhaps a bit too hopeful :-) |
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| 22:19.55 | PSR_B1057 | tremon: I guess I'm getting a bit confused here. |
| 22:20.42 | tremon | PSR_B1057: then let's start over. Why do you need the radeonhd driver? |
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| 22:21.39 | WilsonBradley | Anyone recommend a good video player? VLC skins don't resize |
| 22:22.03 | fishsponge_ | mplayer is a great video player in my opinion! |
| 22:22.10 | PSR_B1057 | tremon: I have radeon 5xxx HD series. I'm not able to install it on debian. So, tried following the steps here:http://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo |
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| 22:22.15 | afidegnum | hello good morning, pls I just installed debian-6.0-i386-default on my VPS, and when updating the apt sources.list I am hhaving the following errors Err http://ftp.us.debian.org squeeze-updates Release.gpg |
| 22:22.16 | afidegnum | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:22.36 | afidegnum | the same applies to all the sources I am adding... pls what can be the cause? what should I first instal? |
| 22:22.41 | WilsonBradley | mplayer is alright... I guess I can get used to it. |
| 22:22.46 | davidandgoliath | what's hiding out in your resolv.conf afidegnum? |
| 22:22.50 | davidandgoliath | sounds like you have no resolvers set. |
| 22:22.52 | gnarface | WilsonBradley: if you define "good video player" primarily by whether or not its skins are resizable rather than how many formats they play/how accurately then you're gonna be disappointed for a long time |
| 22:22.58 | davidandgoliath | e.g. does 'host fark.com' report anything? |
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| 22:23.17 | afidegnum | davidandgoliath: pls how do I set that pls? |
| 22:23.28 | WilsonBradley | Well, I really like VLC.. it's just the skin doesn't resize.. |
| 22:23.29 | davidandgoliath | did 'host fark.com' return anything?> |
| 22:23.34 | WilsonBradley | Has anyone else noticed this? |
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| 22:23.42 | WilsonBradley | maybe its just me |
| 22:23.43 | tremon | PSR_B1057: you're not able to install the card? |
| 22:23.49 | gnarface | WilsonBradley: xine seems to have put a lot more effort into skinning than actual playback. maybe you would like it better? (its skins arent resizeable either though) |
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| 22:24.44 | PSR_B1057 | tremon: I'm not able to! I have posted the details on debian forums : http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=77272 |
| 22:25.00 | WilsonBradley | at this point.. I don't care if VLC doesn't look pretty' I just want to be able to resize the window |
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| 22:25.32 | gnarface | oh the WINDOW not the skin |
| 22:25.35 | afidegnum | davidandgoliath: can you pls give me more insight about that? |
| 22:26.02 | gnarface | WilsonBradley: that's an *entirely* different issue. i can resize my vlc window just fine so i suspect your problem is between the keyboard and the chair |
| 22:26.14 | WilsonBradley | sorry.. about that |
| 22:26.38 | tremon | PSR_B1057: aticonfig is a tool from the proprietary catalyst driver. do you still have that installed? |
| 22:26.51 | WilsonBradley | I went back to default skin and am now able to resize SOMEWHAT the player now ;-) |
| 22:27.25 | WilsonBradley | I just can't resize the width |
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| 22:27.37 | gnarface | WilsonBradley: check in your video menu, there may be a checkbox you can uncheck for fixed 1:1 size or aspect ratio something |
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| 22:28.02 | WilsonBradley | tanx, let me check |
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| 22:28.33 | PSR_B1057 | tremon: I don't have that installed |
| 22:29.16 | tremon | PSR_B1057: but you can make it work if you delete xorg.conf? |
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| 22:30.37 | WilsonBradley | Yaeee, got it working fine with native skin |
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| 22:30.47 | gnarface | WilsonBradley: now what'd you learn? |
| 22:31.14 | WilsonBradley | Not to muck with the looks of something.. be happy it works ;-) |
| 22:31.22 | PSR_B1057 | It works if I delete the xorg.conf but no installed application uses it! |
| 22:31.24 | gnarface | WilsonBradley: the answer our judges were looking for is "skins are stupid" |
| 22:31.51 | WilsonBradley | I think I should consider that things that are made for windows wont work in Ubuntu |
| 22:31.59 | gnarface | WilsonBradley: close enough. |
| 22:32.04 | WilsonBradley | Im happy with default.. ;-) |
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| 22:32.29 | WilsonBradley | Now my VLC can wobble... ;-) |
| 22:32.42 | tremon | PSR_B1057: I'm confused. "what" works and "what" isn't used by any application? |
| 22:32.48 | WilsonBradley | I am a sucker for icandy |
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| 22:35.44 | noravu | Hi. I want to stream a video from my home computer, to a streaming server running on a dedicated server, so several clients can watch via the Internet. Which streaming server(s) would you recommend I try? |
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| 22:36.15 | PSR_B1057 | tremon: The drivers get installed correctly. But when I check through the terminal whether any application is utilizing the radeon graphics it says "0" and when checked with glxgears it show 60 |
| 22:36.50 | PSR_B1057 | 60 fps |
| 22:37.19 | tremon | PSR_B1057: do you get a warning along the lines of "vsync is enabled, frame rates will be equal to the refresh rate"? |
| 22:37.23 | kreign | hi folks, I have made a poor assumption and assumed system users in debian would be consistent from install to install (as they are in bsd). I did a dpkg --force-all -i * in the package cache; however, my /var/spool still seems to be horked up still, and I don't know what the ownership of those directories should be, exactly. is there any way to properly fix that the 'debian way'? |
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| 22:37.45 | PSR_B1057 | tremon: No! |
| 22:38.40 | tremon | PSR_B1057: pastebin your xorg.log and glxinfo |
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| 22:42.39 | PSR_B1057 | glxinfo : http://pastebin.com/CbT2L71E and how to get xorg.log ? |
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| 22:43.13 | tremon | most probably /var/log/Xorg.0.log -- depending on your display number. Pick the most recent logfile |
| 22:43.59 | tremon | "OpenGL renderer string: Mesa DRI Intel(R) Ironlake Mobile" -- it's defaulting to the intel driver |
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| 22:45.50 | PSR_B1057 | yeah! I have both Intel and ati integrated into my laptop |
| 22:45.51 | ironm | hello. please allow me one question. What is the best place to put such command like "udevadm trigger --subsystem-match=input --action=change" in /etc/init.d/ to refresh the database of udev for new keyboard layout) (before x11 will start) |
| 22:45.59 | ironm | thank you in advance for any hints |
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| 22:46.33 | tremon | PSR_B1057: save this file as /etc/X11/xorg.conf: http://paste.debian.net/160052/ |
| 22:47.51 | tremon | although I have no experience with multi-card systems. This might shut off your intel card |
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| 22:48.20 | tremon | ironm: /etc/X11/xsession.d? |
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| 22:48.55 | ironm | thank you tremon :) |
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| 22:49.15 | PSR_B1057 | tremon : Done! |
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| 22:50.40 | PSR_B1057 | tremon: reboot needed ? |
| 22:50.51 | tremon | restart X should be enough |
| 22:51.03 | PSR_B1057 | tremon: okay |
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| 22:51.04 | dvs | What lib do I need to compile "make xconfig". I forget. |
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| 22:55.43 | equex | useless-eater, cesidian root looks cool |
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| 22:56.14 | PSR_B1057 | tremon: that didn't work. It got stuck before starting gnomw |
| 22:56.17 | PSR_B1057 | gnome |
| 22:57.06 | tremon | Xorg.log? You you restarted X, you'll probably need to pastebin the .old |
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| 22:57.33 | equex | what DVD's do i need to make a fulll install (basically the same as the netinst iso does)... i cant possibly need all 10-15 DVD's ? |
| 22:57.38 | tremon | so it froze, but was there any picture at all? |
| 22:57.58 | PSR_B1057 | there wasn't any picture :/ |
| 22:58.01 | tremon | equex: nobody does a full install |
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| 22:59.02 | AimHere | equex, the first one will get you a perfectly acceptable working system |
| 22:59.24 | equex | tremon, yeah only sucks to wait for all the downloading if i need to reinstall |
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| 22:59.29 | AimHere | equex, after that, if you have a decent net connection, the better option is just to apt-get everything via the net |
| 22:59.54 | AimHere | *everything you need |
| 22:59.54 | equex | meh only 12 mbit |
| 23:00.09 | useless-eater | equex: cesidian never fails a lookup, mirrors ICANNs and have a few TLDs of their own. On my location they beat googles 8.8.8.8 8.8.4.4 with good margins |
| 23:00.16 | useless-eater | on speed |
| 23:00.53 | equex | so it would be nice to have a couple of dvds that would get me base system+gui at least |
| 23:01.07 | useless-eater | equex: gui is bloat :p |
| 23:01.07 | equex | is a lazy gui person |
| 23:01.23 | equex | i am improving though ! |
| 23:01.44 | PSR_B1057 | tremon : Should I pastebin the whole xorg.0.log ? |
| 23:01.46 | craigevil | equex, dvd1 will give you Gnome, if you want kde/lxde/xfce there is a diff dvd, or you can use taskselect |
| 23:01.50 | equex | have had many a long sessions in nano over ssh |
| 23:02.02 | PSR_B1057 | tremon : Should I pastebin the whole xorg.0.log.old? |
| 23:02.10 | tremon | PSR_B1057: yes |
| 23:02.15 | equex | i like xfce |
| 23:02.23 | boudiccas | equex; all 10-15 dvds contain /all/ the debs available in the archives |
| 23:02.27 | equex | but gnome is fine |
| 23:02.45 | equex | boudiccas, yeah i thought so |
| 23:02.55 | craigevil | equex, 15 DVDs contain all 30,000 packages |
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| 23:03.20 | boudiccas | dvd1 will give you gnome and kde |
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| 23:03.39 | equex | anybody knows a list of whats on each dvd ? |
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| 23:04.07 | boudiccas | anyone know somebody d/l all 15 dvd's? |
| 23:04.16 | tremon | equex: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.4/i386/list-dvd/ |
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| 23:04.21 | boudiccas | i certainly haven't |
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| 23:04.47 | dvs | boudiccas: me |
| 23:05.00 | boudiccas | did you have fun doing it? |
| 23:05.21 | dvs | boudiccas: Actually, I downloaded the double Blu-ray image. |
| 23:05.27 | useless-eater | equex: have you tried awesome? or any tiling one? Ill never ever change back to overlapping windows. Wonderful to configure too. once you have done it once, your done. I run same conf file on all computers I get root, that need X |
| 23:06.03 | dvs | boudiccas: Then, I stuff the ISO onto a 64GB flash drive. |
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| 23:06.19 | equex | when you mention tiling it rings a bell |
| 23:06.26 | boudiccas | never seen the benefit of a flash drive |
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| 23:06.42 | equex | but cant say i remember trying it |
| 23:06.45 | boudiccas | i much prefer my usb external h/d |
| 23:06.55 | dvs | boudiccas: You will if you can do a full install without going over the Internet. |
| 23:07.29 | PSR_B1057 | tremon: xorg.log : http://pastebin.com/1WRdZ1E1 |
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| 23:07.38 | boudiccas | i installed off the dvd that came with L'Linux Format', and that went okay |
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| 23:07.51 | boudiccas | 'Linux Format' |
| 23:08.28 | boudiccas | didnt go near the internet untilk i'd got everything installed that i wanted to |
| 23:08.37 | boudiccas | until |
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| 23:10.58 | tremon | PSR_B1057: that's not the right log file. That X session lasted for an hour |
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| 23:12.28 | PSR_B1057 | I guess you wanted xorg.0.log.old,right ? |
| 23:12.54 | tremon | PSR_B1057: I want the one where it tries to use the ati driver :) |
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| 23:15.07 | PSR_B1057 | tremon : there are 100s of log files. Don't exactly know which one to choose/get containing ati drivers usage |
| 23:15.11 | jhutchins_lt | tremon: grep |
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| 23:16.04 | tremon | nudges jhutchins_lt |
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| 23:16.34 | jhutchins_lt | tremon: grep -i ati /var/log/Xorg* |
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| 23:17.46 | tremon | PSR_B1057: i'd use grep radeon /var/log/Xorg* -- less chance of a false positive |
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| 23:22.51 | zoredache | I am confused. Why is mdadm --detail /dev/md0 giving a different array size from mdadm --examine /dev/sdb2 http://paste.debian.net/160057/ |
| 23:23.31 | nemysis | hello how to change Shell for users now is /bin/sh wish Bash or tcsh |
| 23:24.05 | jhutchins_lt | usermod will do it. |
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| 23:24.21 | nemysis | thanks |
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| 23:26.00 | PSR_B1057 | tremon: http://pastebin.com/rkPQUbwe found it using grep radeon /var/log/Xorg* |
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| 23:26.36 | cnx | can someone recommend a debian vps in europe? |
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| 23:29.04 | tremon | (EE) Failed to load module "radeonhd" (module does not exist, 0) <-- this still isn't the logfile you're looking for. How about sorting the logs by ctime? |
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| 23:31.36 | PSR_B1057 | to be frank. even after sorting there are loads to see :/ |
| 23:32.02 | nemysis | jhutchins, chsh -s /usr/bin/tcsh user :D as in mine FreeBSD |
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| 23:49.49 | zro | so it looks like imapsync is no longer free/in the repos, but is the superior package for the task. any suggestion on which of the remaining tools is the one to explore? |
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| 23:56.59 | nemysis | I have now the same Propmt for tcsh in Debian as in FreeBSD |
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