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| 00:22.12 | Livin4Jesus | Hello, all. |
| 00:22.30 | Livin4Jesus | Is there a way to restore Debian's boot loader without re-installing the entire OS? |
| 00:22.48 | Livin4Jesus | I accidentally removed it while installing another linux OS... |
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| 00:23.15 | kevlarman | Livin4Jesus: short answer: mount -obind /dev and /proc, chroot in, run grub-install |
| 00:23.30 | Livin4Jesus | OK. I'll try that. |
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| 00:24.24 | Livin4Jesus | So, mount /dev and /proc with the -obind arg.? |
| 00:25.19 | homes | grub-install has a --root-directory option, so chroot/mount is not needed. |
| 00:25.25 | Livin4Jesus | OK. |
| 00:25.59 | kevlarman | homes: i have a habit of keeping very out of date live cd's around |
| 00:26.08 | Livin4Jesus | :P |
| 00:26.12 | kevlarman | homes: so i need to chroot to get grub a libc that works |
| 00:27.34 | Livin4Jesus | So, my Debian installation is contained in /dev/sda2, so the command would be: "grub-install /dev/sda2", right? |
| 00:28.45 | homes | the first bootloader to load will be at /dev/sda |
| 00:28.54 | Livin4Jesus | OK. |
| 00:29.34 | Livin4Jesus | It says it "can't stat 'rootfs'." |
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| 00:29.49 | Livin4Jesus | Wait, nvm... |
| 00:30.12 | Livin4Jesus | Nope, still not working. This is the command I'm typing in... |
| 00:30.23 | Livin4Jesus | sudo grub-install /dev/sda |
| 00:30.31 | Livin4Jesus | That should be all, shouldn't it? |
| 00:30.56 | homes | sudo? that won't work unless you've set it up |
| 00:31.17 | Livin4Jesus | I'm running on CorePlus, so... |
| 00:31.30 | homes | then chrooting into a debian install |
| 00:32.40 | Livin4Jesus | I don't quite know how to chroot... |
| 00:32.49 | Livin4Jesus | I'll try, though. |
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| 00:33.37 | Livin4Jesus | So, chroot stands for change root directory, correct? |
| 00:33.52 | Livin4Jesus | Or that's what it does, I should say... |
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| 00:34.00 | homes | yah |
| 00:34.17 | Livin4Jesus | Ah. So... How do I chroot a Debian installation, then? |
| 00:34.38 | homes | you either need to chroot/mount or specify --root-directory to grub |
| 00:34.52 | Livin4Jesus | Ah... OK. |
| 00:36.38 | gnarface | its about time iceweasel got regex search |
| 00:36.47 | gnarface | this is fullon ghetto windows shit |
| 00:36.57 | Livin4Jesus | :P |
| 00:37.02 | gnarface | how can i possibly be the only one not angry about this? |
| 00:37.10 | gnarface | er, the only one angry about it |
| 00:37.33 | Livin4Jesus | XD |
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| 00:38.05 | Livin4Jesus | Iceweasel is lame. Firefox FTW! |
| 00:38.55 | Livin4Jesus | Why am I such a n00b? T^T |
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| 00:39.01 | Livin4Jesus | I can't seem to get this working... |
| 00:39.35 | luarocks | hi, i just installed the latest nvidia drivers 295.20 but i get dvi no signal. any hint? |
| 00:40.39 | Livin4Jesus | I would help, but I'm a n00b... T^T |
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| 00:42.45 | craigevil | gnarface, regex search in Iceweasel? |
| 00:43.21 | Livin4Jesus | Can you re-install GRUB from the Debian installation CD? |
| 00:43.40 | Livin4Jesus | Without re-installing the entire OS, of course... |
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| 00:44.47 | Livin4Jesus | Y U NO active, #debian? >.< |
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| 00:48.36 | craigevil | !grub |
| 00:48.36 | dpkg | [grub] GNU GRUB (GRand Unified Bootloader) 0.9x, aka GRUB Legacy. A powerful boot loader which can boot many OSes and understands many filesystems. To install: "aptitude install grub grub-doc" ("aptitude install grub-legacy grub-legacy-doc" for Squeeze). To reinstall, ask me about <fixmbr>. To migrate from LILO, ask about <lilo->grub>. See also <grub errors>, <grub2>, <supergrub>. http://wiki.debian.org/Grub |
| 00:50.31 | gnarface | craigevil: yea, i want it and it doesn't have it. emacs wins again. |
| 00:51.13 | craigevil | why would you need regex search in Iceweasel? can't you do something like that using duckduckgo? |
| 00:51.38 | gnarface | never heard of it |
| 00:51.45 | gnarface | but i'm assuming you're thinking of a web based search |
| 00:51.48 | gnarface | i just need an in-page search |
| 00:52.01 | gnarface | ctrl-f but with the ability to use ^ to anchor to the beginning of lines and such |
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| 01:16.22 | Moebius | hi |
| 01:16.45 | Moebius | could anyone explain to me please why no clipboard manager works properly on Gnome 2 except for Glipper, but which is buggy a bit? |
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| 01:18.12 | Moebius | specifically... right-click & paste and Ctrl+V never work if i copy and close a source app, just if there was no clipboard manager at all. Yet the line are stored in clipboard, it's just that it never works with key combos and right-click from the menu. |
| 01:18.31 | Moebius | i tried parcellite, clipman, klipper and clipit... they all act the same. |
| 01:19.08 | Moebius | Shift+Insert and middle mouse click work always, but that's not comfy. |
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| 01:27.38 | DijkstraGroupie | Silly question: What is the command for searching packages that can be installed using apt-get? |
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| 01:31.23 | psusi | is there a way to get apt-cdrom to use something other than /dev/cdrom? like a usb flash drive or loop device? |
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| 01:32.24 | luarocks | psusi: have you tried with the -d option? |
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| 01:36.00 | psusi | luarocks, that seems to tell it where the device should be mounted, but it still wants to use /dev/cdrom |
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| 01:36.45 | psusi | luarocks, and in fact, when I point -d to a location where I have the usb flash drive mounted, it still cans the cdrom mount point instead when it is already mounted, and if it isn't, it tries to mount it |
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| 01:37.59 | somiaj | psusi: what is the exact command you are typing? |
| 01:38.39 | psusi | somiaj, sudo apt-cdrom -d /mnt add |
| 01:38.44 | psusi | err, -d=/mnt |
| 01:38.44 | somiaj | the man page says the mountpoint must be listed in /etc/fstab |
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| 01:39.58 | psusi | how is it that when I insert the flash drive, the desktop pops up saying packages detected, do you want to open the package manager, and synaptic magically knows about the cdrom? but I can't manually add it? |
| 01:40.17 | psusi | ( and this doesn't happen when I loop mount the iso ) |
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| 01:41.34 | somiaj | I just told ya, apt-cdrom wants to know about the mountpoint in /etc/fstab so it can mount/umount the point as you loop though the different cdroms |
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| 01:42.07 | somiaj | and synapitc sometimes has a bad habbit of not updating the full apt database but doing its own thing again it seems |
| 01:42.11 | martin3z | a |
| 01:42.32 | psusi | my usb flash stick isn't in /etc/fstab, yet it automatically gets detected when plugged in... |
| 01:42.52 | simonlnu | synaptic is the only one doing its own thing wrt the package db |
| 01:43.28 | psusi | what do you mean? it's added to /etc/apt/sources.list as if I used apt-cdrom |
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| 01:44.17 | psusi | it's like there's some undocumented switch to tell it to use another device that is automatically run by the desktop environment when it detects the flash stick being plugged in |
| 01:45.46 | somiaj | psusi: apt-get needs to know where the files are located in such a way that it can mount/umount the cdrom (or usb) device. It chose to do this via correct enteries in /etc/fstab. So why not go add some and then rerun apt-cdrom like the man page says. |
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| 01:49.28 | psusi | somiaj, because when I plug in a usb flash stick or insert a cdrom, it seems to work fine without being in /etc/fstab.. so why does it work automagically, but not when I try to do it manually? |
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| 01:51.51 | psusi | somiaj, and just for shits and giggles, I added it to /etc/fstab and apt-cdrom still completely ignores -d=/mnt and tries to load a cdrom in the cdrom drive |
| 01:52.29 | luarocks_ | psusi: what are you trying to do? |
| 01:52.46 | somiaj | luarocks_: use apt-cdrom to load a usb drive into the app-database |
| 01:53.05 | psusi | usb drive, loop mounted iso... anything but an actual cdrom |
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| 01:53.31 | luarocks_ | are you aware apt accepts file:/ ? |
| 01:53.40 | luarocks_ | i mean deb |
| 01:53.58 | DijkstraGroupie | Hello. How do I grep lines that do *not* match a particular string? |
| 01:54.26 | somiaj | DijkstraGroupie: man grep, there is a -v, --invert-match option |
| 01:54.36 | psusi | yea.... but somehow whenever I insert the usb flash stick, the desktop auto detects it, and adds a cdrom:// entry to sources.list... so if it can do it, I should be able to as well |
| 01:54.38 | DijkstraGroupie | somiaj: Thanks. |
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| 01:57.15 | luarocks_ | it doesnt add it though apt-cdrom i guess |
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| 01:57.31 | luarocks_ | that's surely a hal rule |
| 01:57.34 | psusi | man page says that's the way you have to add cdrom entries |
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| 02:16.29 | thinkerbell | hyperthreading cpu's show as two cpu's in htop? |
| 02:17.01 | thinkerbell | I installed 32-bit debian, is it possible to upgrade to a 64-bit or do I have to re-install? |
| 02:17.25 | thinkerbell | Will 64-version be better, what difference can I expect? |
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| 02:21.33 | psusi | thinkerbell, yes, no, and it's faster at some workloads |
| 02:22.08 | thinkerbell | someone said, it isn't worth it if I have less than 4gigs ram, and I only have 1gig ram |
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| 02:23.08 | dant | I'm not sure if this is the right place, but I bet someone here can help me. I have a server running Debian that I used to set up a PPTP VPN earlier today. It's working to some extent, but I wanted to see if I could bypass OpenDNS family filters just to see if I could. It did not bypass them. Does anyone have an idea on why that happened? |
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| 02:25.32 | scientes | dant, what computer are you experiencing the OpenDNS on? |
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| 02:25.39 | gnarface | ugh, pptp |
| 02:25.44 | scientes | (or is set up with OpenDNS) |
| 02:25.56 | gnarface | dant: this may not help you this time around, but OpenVPN ftw, PPTP should have died with disco |
| 02:26.16 | dant | I havent had much luck installing and using openvpn |
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| 02:26.36 | scientes | gnarface, does ppp ~= pptp? |
| 02:26.41 | dant | If you or someone else here wouldn't mind helping id love to try it |
| 02:26.43 | gnarface | scientes: no they're not related |
| 02:26.53 | scientes | ok |
| 02:27.01 | gnarface | dant: i havn't had much luck with pptp sorry |
| 02:27.05 | dant | I have openvpn set up on the server but I never could connect |
| 02:27.10 | togge | what's the trick to get webgl working with firefox or chrome? i'm using testing with the nvidia drivers |
| 02:27.24 | scientes | dant if the only problem is dns, just set your dns to something else |
| 02:27.25 | dant | gnarface: not with setting up pptp, but openvpn |
| 02:27.45 | dant | scientes: the problem isn't dns, I wasnted to try that to see if it did bypass it |
| 02:27.57 | dant | there isn't really a problem |
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| 02:28.16 | scientes | " |
| 02:28.16 | scientes | <dant> there isn't really a problem" |
| 02:28.20 | gnarface | dant: 99% of openvpn issues if you followed the howto letter-by-letter are either that you forgot to NAT (it sorta just assumes you know you need to if you didn't use bridge mode) and dns misconfiguration/dhcp propogation delay |
| 02:28.21 | scientes | ok, i guess were done then :P |
| 02:28.34 | dant | I forgot to nat |
| 02:28.39 | dant | Just realized that |
| 02:28.45 | dant | Let me try that again |
| 02:28.51 | dant | I'll probably check back in ~15 min |
| 02:29.38 | gnarface | dant: don't forget to test it BY IP - debug dhcp/dns issues separately |
| 02:30.13 | gnarface | dant: (often there's just a varying delay in the dhcp dns assignment so people test by hostname and freak out cause it seems to not be working when if they'd just waited 10 more seconds it would) |
| 02:32.29 | ectospasm | hmmm... seems #debian-next is invite-only, and I have a question about wheezy/testing which is inappropriate to ask in here. Is there anyone in here that can give me an invite? |
| 02:32.42 | ectospasm | oh, durp |
| 02:32.46 | ectospasm | wrong network |
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| 02:53.55 | tjf | How do I go about getting Unicode to work correctly? |
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| 02:55.39 | hemimaniac | tjf this any help? http://fruit.je/utf-8 |
| 02:56.13 | hemimaniac | there is also this? http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=46691 |
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| 03:13.25 | jubei | guys even though I've set anacron to run my tasks to run at 0.00 every day , it doesn't seem to run. I just found my system log saying it ended at 07.30 in the morning: http://codepad.org/a7ajYbnw |
| 03:13.39 | jubei | sry typo |
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| 03:49.23 | hemimaniac | jubei one way i do it, switch to root, "crontab -e" , then fill out the usual info * * * * * <cmd> then save and close |
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| 03:51.15 | jubei | hemimaniac: will try it, thank you! |
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| 04:04.41 | XayOn | Uh, when I try to make a apt-get dist-upgrade I always end up with all the files in the $PATH directories being chmod -x ! That makes the upgrade fail (wich is easily fixed by doing chmod +x /usr/bin* /bin/* /sbin/* /usr/sbin/* ; apt-get dist-upgrade but... it hurts |
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| 04:09.07 | hwq001 | might be a noob question : can eAccelerator+memcache work together (just single server)? or i just need to use one of them |
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| 04:25.05 | scientes | what is the standard groupware? |
| 04:25.11 | scientes | !groupware |
| 04:25.11 | dpkg | Groupware is a term used to describe any form of software designed to allow a group of people to easily share ideas and data. Examples include Lotus Notes, Novell GroupWise, and Microsoft Exchange. For Groupware in Debian, see the list at http://wiki.debian.org/Groupware |
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| 04:39.47 | qpdb | hi.. my mv process seems stuck somehow and i cant kill it with kill -9 .. what can i do? |
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| 04:40.57 | qpdb | load is really high =/ |
| 04:41.08 | qpdb | but seems to do nothing at all |
| 04:42.36 | qpdb | removing the mv's SRC folder doesnt change anything |
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| 04:45.01 | qpdb | i think something really went wrong -.- |
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| 04:48.32 | homes | qpdb: will being a hanging syscall |
| 04:49.04 | qpdb | how to fix homes? |
| 04:49.46 | homes | qpdb: vmstat s/being/be |
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| 04:50.08 | homes | might not be able to, find out why the load is high would be my first step |
| 04:51.04 | homes | vmstat 1 10 is a nice start |
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| 04:52.13 | qpdb | seems its caused by mv and flush homes |
| 04:53.31 | homes | any kernel errors? |
| 04:53.51 | homes | your disk subsystem could be becoming fubar |
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| 04:54.32 | qpdb | i tried sync. . no dmesg gets flooded by call traces about: task sync:6453 blocked for more than 120 seconds |
| 04:55.03 | homes | guess there's nothing else interesting in dmesg then? |
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| 04:56.05 | qpdb | http://pastebin.com/gHNWp2ud |
| 04:56.58 | homes | seems to be writing to disk a lot |
| 04:57.39 | qpdb | its all cause by 'mv' .. but i noticed it doesnt "work" anymore.. so there was load, but DEST was not getting bigger |
| 04:57.54 | qpdb | so i tried to kill mv, without success.. i removed SRC in the meantime.. but no change |
| 04:58.16 | homes | well *something* is being written out |
| 04:58.25 | homes | i'd wait a while, |
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| 04:59.08 | homes | you could change your io scheduler but nfi if that will help now |
| 04:59.50 | qpdb | problem started 2h ago.. enogh waiting time? |
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| 05:00.52 | homes | ouch. how big was the mv? |
| 05:01.29 | qpdb | 7.4G .. stopped working after 4.7G |
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| 05:02.46 | homes | i wonder if something weird is going on, like we've triggered some extremely inefficient edge case |
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| 05:03.03 | homes | [like when a fragmented filesystem nears 100%] |
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| 05:03.22 | qpdb | DEST is a recently extended LVM |
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| 05:04.35 | eyeris | Apparently debian now auto mounts USB sticks and if I unmount it then the kernel ignores the device, so I can't run tools like fdisk say 'no such device' |
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| 05:05.09 | Morzain | debian 6? this is something I can easily test lol |
| 05:05.14 | Morzain | eyeris: |
| 05:05.16 | eyeris | How can I make debian refrain from auto-mounting my USB stick? |
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| 05:06.32 | qpdb | homes: how to get rid of the load? there is no SRC anymore, wtf is it doing? |
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| 05:06.35 | Morzain | eyeris: just plugged in a 8gb stick, shows up in fdisk but did not get mounted automatically |
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| 05:06.54 | eyeris | Morzain: sid? |
| 05:07.14 | Morzain | eyeris: squeeze |
| 05:07.48 | Morzain | eyeris: it could be something to do with gnome/kde automounting it, I'm not using those |
| 05:08.42 | Morzain | eyeris: but to help you, plug it in, leave it mounted, and pastebin the results of df -h and fdisk -l |
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| 05:09.50 | homes | eyeris: probably some part of your DE unless you installed usbmount, as debian doesn't automagically mount anything |
| 05:10.42 | homes | qpdb: i'm not sure, i'm somewhat ignorant when it comes to poking inside the kernel |
| 05:10.53 | kunwon1 | Stink_Brown_Tink is a PM spammer, we've just banned him from ##politics for spamming several people after joining, people from this channel are reporting his spam in #freenode too |
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| 05:12.15 | Morzain | lol |
| 05:12.49 | homes | on the plus side at least he isn't using camel case |
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| 05:14.12 | eyeris | I figured it out. I had to run udisks --unmount /dev/sdh. Using the normal umount command didn't notify the auto-mounter to stop looking for media there, so it would re-mount it. Meanwhile the gnome file manager's unmount button actually powers down the disk. |
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| 05:15.12 | Morzain | eyeris: good work :-) |
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| 05:20.25 | qpdb | homes: tried reboot.. did not work too.. but REISUB did the job |
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| 05:25.16 | crooks306 | !ops |
| 05:25.16 | dpkg | Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the operators to deal with a specific problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban. |
| 05:25.37 | crooks306 | dpkg: ops $problem |
| 05:25.37 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: crooks306 complains about: $problem |
| 05:25.49 | kunwon1 | crooks306: are you getting spammed too? |
| 05:26.19 | crooks306 | On top of the vulgar name changes |
| 05:26.38 | kunwon1 | one of you layabouts ban Splatter_Dump_Br |
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| 05:28.07 | lstarnes | crooks306: you needed to replace $problem with the actual problem |
| 05:28.15 | lstarnes | crooks306: but don't repeat !ops since you already did it |
| 05:28.22 | crooks306 | Yea I realized that afterwords |
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| 05:34.52 | Dookie_Moist_Flu | hey hey hey, wear a bra every day |
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| 05:44.09 | BraWearerTravis | I am a guy who wears a bra and think other guys should too. Why not? It's awesome and something every guy should try. There is no rason not to! So get a bra, put it on and join the male bra wearing revolution today! |
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| 05:44.50 | lstarnes | finally |
| 05:45.00 | dax | may have been sitting there thinking "come on... do it again..." |
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| 05:47.14 | LordCrc | hi, noob admin question here... i want users of a specific group to be able to run "su - foobar" without getting asked for a password... apparently deleting the password for the foobar account is not enough, and my googling fails me |
| 05:47.43 | LordCrc | i got some hint about adding "nullok" to some pam config file, but not sure how to set up the group stuff right |
| 05:50.32 | somiaj | LordCrc: use sudo (not su) |
| 05:51.01 | somiaj | so sudo su - foobar |
| 05:51.37 | somiaj | you can set up a sudo rule to allow a certain group of users to run that command without asking for a password, though you best be careful how you set it up so they can't say sudo su - root if you don't want that |
| 05:51.41 | lstarnes | even better, sudo -i -u foobar |
| 05:52.16 | optraz | im using gnome, there is a feature to connect to server... in the places menu, how when we actually connected to the remote server, does it map that server directory in our current computer |
| 05:52.18 | somiaj | ahh yea, just setup sudo to allow the use of that user if a full login isn't needed |
| 05:52.20 | optraz | ? |
| 05:53.28 | LordCrc | yes, i dont want users in this group (say group xyz) to be able to gain root privs, i just want them to be able to "become" the foobar user |
| 05:53.47 | somiaj | LordCrc: why do you want to become that user? |
| 05:54.00 | dax | so configure sudo to do that |
| 05:54.01 | somiaj | LordCrc: as opposed to sudo allowing you to run commands as that user |
| 05:54.18 | somiaj | but yes you can be very specific and configure sudo to only allow you to type a command in an exact form |
| 05:54.22 | LordCrc | somiaj: for running a service, more specifically a minecraft server :) |
| 05:54.56 | somiaj | LordCrc: I would just setup a sudo command to run that server as the desired user...as opposed to giving login credentials |
| 05:55.58 | LordCrc | somiaj: i have found an init.d script which i'd like to use, and it runs the commands using su $USERNAME -s /bin/bash -c "$1", full script here https://github.com/Ahtenus/minecraft-init/blob/master/minecraft |
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| 05:56.26 | LordCrc | somiaj: so i guess i could modify that to use sudo, and then add something to the sudoers file to allow group xyz to allow this? |
| 05:56.36 | somiaj | LordCrc: go read up on sudo. No don't modify the script to use sudo |
| 05:56.48 | somiaj | configure sudo to allow the user to run that script which will thing bring up the server as the desired user |
| 05:57.10 | LordCrc | ok so i'd go "sudo /init.d/minecraft start" |
| 05:57.52 | somiaj | missing the /etc/init.d/ but yes |
| 05:58.06 | LordCrc | ok, gotcha thanks |
| 05:58.46 | LordCrc | and i can in the sudoers file add that group xyz can only run that script via sudo, so they dont gain full root privs, right? |
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| 06:00.59 | somiaj | correct they only gain the privialges to run tha tscript and nothing more |
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| 06:01.17 | LordCrc | ok great, thanks |
| 06:01.32 | homes | [GNUnet 0.9.x] log filenames are in wtf-endian |
| 06:01.42 | homes | sorry, not used to putty's pasting |
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| 06:21.12 | axo | what is a good epub reader? |
| 06:22.41 | aBound | Haven't seen any good epub readers but you can check out: FBReader. |
| 06:23.07 | dax | calibre |
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| 07:09.19 | oldschooler | any guide for getting started with debian? |
| 07:09.30 | homes | yeah. |
| 07:09.37 | oldschooler | please tell |
| 07:09.38 | homes | did you look at the docs section on debian.org? |
| 07:09.48 | homes | please don't say yes :( |
| 07:10.16 | oldschooler | no |
| 07:10.24 | oldschooler | what all should I read? |
| 07:10.47 | homes | http://www.debian.org/doc/ |
| 07:11.00 | homes | have you installed debian yet? |
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| 07:11.34 | oldschooler | yes |
| 07:11.39 | homes | if you have, http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ is good. |
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| 07:12.17 | oldschooler | i was searching for synaptic using aptitude, it wasn't there. |
| 07:12.24 | oldschooler | any idea why? |
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| 07:12.44 | homes | just use aptitude. |
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| 07:13.14 | homes | i know i may seem like an asshat, but i've been using this OS a long time. |
| 07:13.53 | oldschooler | ok. thanks for the help. Will try that manual after lunch |
| 07:13.55 | oldschooler | :) |
| 07:13.58 | oldschooler | laterz |
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| 07:17.37 | homes | should probably read the ref manual too |
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| 07:26.29 | killfoo | hi! I have trouble with an update: tzdata-java depends on tzdata (= 2012b-1); however: Package tzdata is not configured yet. But i want to configure it: /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: tzdata is broken or not fully installed. You guys have any hints to solve? |
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| 07:27.22 | AphisOne | how would I start a gui app at boot? I tried creating an init.d script to start x then the application, but it just dropped me to the login prompt. |
| 07:28.10 | AphisOne | The application is a screen saver, no user should need to be logged in to view |
| 07:28.17 | killfoo | AphisOne use .xinitrc or the auto start file of your desktop manager |
| 07:29.30 | AphisOne | killfoo: thanks, what directory is that in? |
| 07:29.42 | killfoo | in the users home (~) |
| 07:29.59 | killfoo | AphisOne whats your desktop manager? |
| 07:30.15 | AphisOne | killfoo: I have xorg but no manager |
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| 07:31.11 | killfoo | AphisOne but you need one:) like kde, gnome or so... |
| 07:31.27 | AphisOne | killfoo: BTW, the screen saver is electricsheep, it runs just fine without a window manager |
| 07:31.33 | killfoo | ok |
| 07:31.34 | dax | killfoo: no you don't... |
| 07:31.51 | killfoo | dax yeah ok but then it is not a common setup :) |
| 07:31.52 | homes | hates ?dm |
| 07:32.01 | AphisOne | I think electricsheep needs a user, so I'll need to login first... blah! |
| 07:32.04 | dax | killfoo: neither is Debian |
| 07:32.05 | homes | if i want x i'l type startx damnit |
| 07:32.09 | killfoo | no one has a solution for my tzdata problem? |
| 07:32.13 | killfoo | dax haha :) |
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| 07:34.04 | killfoo | is there a skip-broken feature like yum provides? |
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| 07:35.39 | AphisOne | killfoo: if you remove the cause of the break then install tzdata, reconfigure it, then reinstall the needed app; perhapse? |
| 07:36.02 | killfoo | i cannot remove the cause... or dont know how.. |
| 07:36.24 | AphisOne | blah |
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| 07:44.43 | martin3z | gger list |
| 07:44.54 | martin3z | sorry |
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| 07:45.58 | lilibox | hi |
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| 07:46.35 | dmi3on | when installing MySql or other server applicaiton should i isntall it as root or as user ? |
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| 07:47.59 | lilibox | i would like to ask good people here, i already lost my half life nerve deposit, yesterday i battled with skyped installation, but stills some missign .py modules apper, i am looking for some text based skype chat solution, does exist any? |
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| 08:04.23 | martin3z | hi all |
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| 08:25.47 | Naeblis | hmm. I'm getting 'unable to locate package sbuild', but according to this: it should be there. http://wiki.debian.org/sbuild |
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| 09:08.22 | cipher__ | are there any opengl 4.0 drivers available. |
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| 09:11.33 | PSR_B1057 | laptop radeon graphic card problem. Intel graphic card is also integrated in it! |
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| 09:25.49 | EvilGenius101 | how can i un-install apache2 so that it never existed on the system. |
| 09:25.58 | EvilGenius101 | i would like to completely fresh install it |
| 09:26.06 | gnarface | EvilGenius101: dpkg --purge |
| 09:26.12 | gnarface | dpkg --purge [package name] |
| 09:26.13 | dpkg | drinks a glass of salty water, sticks his fingers down his throat and throws up [package name] all over gnarface and zmo... |
| 09:26.19 | gnarface | haha |
| 09:26.21 | gnarface | yea like that |
| 09:26.22 | gnarface | more or less |
| 09:26.23 | gnarface | good luck |
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| 09:27.02 | EvilGenius101 | Doing so should remove /etc/apache2 and /usr/lib/apache2/modules ? |
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| 09:30.59 | EvilGenius101 | Sadly all those are still there. and my apache is fulltime broke. can't get it to listen to anything, it just keeps waiting |
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| 09:34.03 | cipher__ | Hi, I have a opengl 4.1 driver, yet <GL/gl.h> seems to be mesa running at a spec of gl 1.3 :S...is there anyway I can change my source / header files for opengl in order to program in 4.1? |
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| 09:51.55 | EvilGenius101 | Installed apache2 from source and now i don't have a /etc/apache2 folder. |
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| 09:53.40 | injureddeer | http://forums.grsecurity.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&p=11712 anyone can help? |
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| 09:54.11 | MRCracker | hi all, i have problem with samba. i can't connect to windows client |
| 09:54.41 | MRCracker | this my command and it's output |
| 09:54.41 | MRCracker | http://paste.debian.net/160087/ |
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| 09:58.48 | MRCracker | not any idea/ |
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| 10:00.28 | valdyn | cipher__: you have "a" driver, which one? |
| 10:01.00 | cipher__ | valdyn, a 4.1 spec driver? |
| 10:01.06 | valdyn | cipher__: yes, which one |
| 10:01.25 | cipher__ | how do i check? I am on a gt525m |
| 10:01.31 | valdyn | cipher__: so nvidia |
| 10:01.37 | cipher__ | yes |
| 10:01.37 | valdyn | cipher__: how was it installed? |
| 10:02.45 | valdyn | cipher__: i cant know how to install the proper headers if you dont tell me these things |
| 10:03.16 | cipher__ | valdyn, sorry I am trying to find the program. |
| 10:03.24 | cipher__ | it was done automagically |
| 10:03.34 | valdyn | cipher__: in debian? automatically? |
| 10:03.37 | valdyn | cipher__: hardly |
| 10:03.43 | cipher__ | debian based :S |
| 10:04.01 | valdyn | cipher__: if you're lucky: apt-get install nvidia-glx-dev |
| 10:04.14 | cipher__ | thanks, i'll give it a try. |
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| 10:06.04 | cipher__ | valdyn, "Package nvidia-glx-dev is not available, but is referred to by another package." damned ubuntu. I also searched their repository: http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=nvidia-glx-dev&searchon=names&suite=oneiric§ion=all |
| 10:06.35 | cipher__ | I did provide the subtle disclaimer it was a debian based system, which generally would point towards ubuntu :P |
| 10:06.53 | valdyn | cipher__: doesnt matter, I dont know anything debian-based except for names |
| 10:07.14 | valdyn | cipher__: "apt-cache search nvidia headers" should list the right package ( and more ) |
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| 10:08.47 | cipher__ | valdyn, I was given no results. I broadened it by only including nvidia: http://codepad.org/NDfC2bcw |
| 10:09.48 | valdyn | cipher__: nvidia-current-dev - NVIDIA binary Xorg driver development files, maybe |
| 10:11.07 | cipher__ | would there be any harm in using the debian repository? though I will try that first. I often question I continue to install ubuntu... |
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| 10:11.21 | valdyn | cipher__: theres no point at all in using the debian repository |
| 10:11.28 | cipher__ | okay |
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| 10:13.12 | cipher__ | valdyn, well glx appeared under GL/ |
| 10:13.19 | cipher__ | glx.h* |
| 10:14.05 | cipher__ | and <nvidia-current/GL/gl.h> .. probably it |
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| 10:25.21 | cipher__ | valdyn, thanks, it seems to work. |
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| 10:27.44 | Phalmy | Hey. I'm going to be installing Debian, and am interested in a tiling wm such as xmonad, wii, ratpoison. I want to be able to do most things with just the keyboard. I'd appreciate the ability to do some basic eye-candy (transparency and such), though, and I get the impression that e.g. ratpoison isn't all that hot on that idea. Thoughts? |
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| 10:28.10 | z0ttel | I use i3 - but there's not much eye-candy in there |
| 10:28.13 | Phalmy | (The keyboard bit is the more important one. In a sense, I want my wm to be more like vim. |
| 10:28.47 | valdyn | Phalmy: youre not going to get eye candy from any decent tiling wm |
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| 10:29.08 | AphisOne | I run electricsheep from the command line as root and xorg starts, however when I attempt to start it as another user xorg does not start |
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| 10:31.27 | valdyn | Phalmy: if you have some background in functionl programming or even haskell you want xmonad |
| 10:31.59 | valdyn | Phalmy: but even if you dont, its probably as hard or easy to customize than the others |
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| 10:34.45 | Phalmy | I'm only familiar with your basic o-o, but I doubt it'll be too difficult to learn. Does xmonad work well with just the keyboard? |
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| 10:35.35 | valdyn | Phalmy: yea, but probably all tiling wm do |
| 10:36.42 | Phalmy | Well, you seem to think that it's well written, and I've had someone else recommend it to me once as well, so I'll give it a go. |
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| 10:36.44 | Phalmy | Thanks. |
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| 11:12.25 | Justasic | I get the error "reading files list for package 'lib32gomp1': Input/output error" when I try and run apt-get upgrade, is there any way I can force dpkg to regenerate my package lists and fix this issue? |
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| 11:13.59 | jelly-home | Justasic: first, can you pastebin the complete command you ran and the whole output? |
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| 11:14.04 | jelly-home | !paste |
| 11:14.05 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ http://paste.pocoo.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>, <lodgeit.py>. |
| 11:15.23 | jelly-home | Justasic: i/o errors often point to a different underlying problem, like a filesystem inconsistency, or even hardware issues. |
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| 11:15.31 | Justasic | http://paste.debian.net/160090/ |
| 11:16.07 | nicoparker | hi everyone! I have a little question regarding the linux-headers on a debian testing |
| 11:16.08 | Justasic | my hard drive gave me smart errors, but I really don't want to repartition my hard drive just to exclude some bad sectors right now |
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| 11:17.12 | nicoparker | I can't find the package with the 3.1 headers, there are the 3.2 in the database, but no 3.1 (my current kernel). I can't compile a module beacause of that. Is there a way to get the good sources? |
| 11:17.25 | jelly-home | Justasic: it's not safe to write on a filesystem that's on a disk going bad. Also, you seem to be using a different distro than Debian. This channel can't support derivative distros, ask in #ubuntu or ##linux |
| 11:17.55 | Justasic | #ubuntu ignored me, so I came here since it was dead quiet |
| 11:18.31 | Justasic | as for the disk issue, I am ignoring it right now because I don't have a secondary drive to back up to so I can rebuild my partition tables |
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| 11:18.59 | Justasic | the only issue is this dpkg database error |
| 11:19.00 | jelly-home | limit writing to the drive as much as you can. Basically, don't use the machine unless you must. |
| 11:19.16 | jelly-home | I'm not going to comment further in here. |
| 11:20.45 | jelly-home | !tell nicoparker about snapshot |
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| 11:21.38 | Justasic | -_- jackasses can't support me for the issue at hand, instead they get into the technicality.. "limit use of the machine" REALLY? YOU DON'T SAY?! |
| 11:21.41 | nicoparker | jelly-home: thank you for your help, I will take a look here :) |
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| 11:30.21 | nicoparker | jelly-home: on this page http://http://snapshot.debian.org/binary/linux-headers-3.1.0-1-686-pae/ is the "experimental" the one i'm looking for? (uname -r gives 3.1.0-1-686-pae)? |
| 11:31.19 | jelly-home | nicoparker: find the one matching your uname -r _and_ the installed version of linux-image-$(uname -r) package |
| 11:33.08 | nicoparker | jelly-home: here is my linux-image-3.1.0-1-686-pae. Is there any sub-version number that should help me to choose the good package? |
| 11:33.30 | jelly-home | nicoparker: dpkg -l linux-image-3.1.0-1-686-pae |
| 11:33.40 | jelly-home | "linux-image-3.1.0-1-686-pae" is just the package name |
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| 11:35.09 | nicoparker | jelly-home: ok got it :) diden't know that the package could have different sub-versions. Thanks you (I have the 8-2 btw) |
| 11:37.30 | libc_killer | how can i replace a bogus libc package with the correct one? i use dpkg -i --force-all libc6-2.15.deb but apt complains that it can't do it because there is already a libc-2.13.so (the bogus one) |
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| 11:38.54 | nsadmin | what's wrong with the 3.2 one? |
| 11:40.03 | libc_killer | the installed libc it's incompatible with my userland |
| 11:40.18 | nsadmin | libc_killer, how did you get that libc? |
| 11:40.35 | nsadmin | and, take a look in /var/cache/apt/archives |
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| 11:41.28 | jelly-home | libc_killer: which debian release are you using and where are you getting the "correct" libc6 package from? |
| 11:42.04 | libc_killer | i was trying to compile kvm with vde support and my libc had a bug that prevented it. so i downgraded it from 2.15 to 2.13. but this isn't compatible. so i copied the file from the 2.15 deb into the dirs as in the deb to restore functionality |
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| 11:42.42 | libc_killer | so far so good. now i want to restore consistency of my packaging system |
| 11:42.57 | nsadmin | did you back it up? |
| 11:43.01 | libc_killer | i'm sure i've got the right packages |
| 11:43.08 | libc_killer | no, i was in a hurry |
| 11:43.13 | nsadmin | hmm :) |
| 11:43.27 | libc_killer | hehe |
| 11:43.34 | jelly-home | libc_killer: please pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list, the output of "apt-cache policy" and "apt-cache policy libc6" |
| 11:43.41 | nsadmin | so you hurridly went for something and it had side effects you discovered later... |
| 11:44.07 | libc_killer | nsadmin: yes, yes ... don't say anything |
| 11:44.09 | nsadmin | how did that save you time? :) |
| 11:44.29 | libc_killer | i was on a tight scedule and it was worth a try |
| 11:44.40 | nsadmin | well you need the libc that goes with your version of debian... which is? |
| 11:44.42 | libc_killer | to prevent some other disaster |
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| 11:45.23 | libc_killer | i know. i have it on my disk am my system works as before.. only apt is confused and doesn't let me upgrade libc to newer versions |
| 11:45.42 | jelly-home | libc_killer: if you actually have some other distro with dpkg and apt, you'll have to ask ##Linux channel or your distro's channel |
| 11:46.21 | libc_killer | jelly-home: gnah.. i'm on ubuntu. but the channel is full of newbs :P |
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| 11:46.51 | jelly-home | this is a channel for Debian. Unfortunately there is no channel for dpkg and apt as far as I know of. |
| 11:46.56 | abrotman | libc_killer: that's not our problem, go back to #ubuntu, good luck |
| 11:47.02 | abrotman | jelly-home: there is not |
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| 11:47.12 | jelly-home | libc_killer: ##linux is a bit smarter than #ubuntu |
| 11:47.25 | jelly-home | abrotman: ? |
| 11:47.28 | libc_killer | jelly-home: ty |
| 11:47.33 | abrotman | jelly-home: not a generic dpkg/apt channel |
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| 11:47.47 | jelly-home | yeah, that's a bit sad |
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| 11:47.58 | abrotman | jelly-home: you can start one! |
| 11:48.08 | jelly-home | no, I can't |
| 11:48.11 | abrotman | heh |
| 11:48.12 | libc_killer | abrotman: had a bad day? |
| 11:48.20 | jelly-home | he's had like a bad week |
| 11:48.28 | nsadmin | he;ll be haunted by lilo if he does that |
| 11:48.30 | abrotman | libc_killer: my day is fine .. Ubuntu is still offtopic here |
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| 11:51.20 | nsadmin | libc_killer, whether on or off topic, by asking a question you later apply to the non-debian install you have, you're expecting folks to (a) read your mind about what you got and (b) to know details about what you got... and sadly a and b are unlikely |
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| 11:52.26 | nsadmin | one thing you could possibly assume... dpkg and apt in ubuntu are the same as debian anything,,, they could have changed something |
| 11:52.37 | nsadmin | (not the only possibility) |
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| 11:53.06 | maxou56800 | Hello! :) |
| 11:53.57 | abrotman | nsadmin: it's still offtopic here, go to #ubuntu if you wan tot support him |
| 11:54.00 | janis | hi guys! I have added a deb-src for sid with main, contrib and non-free branches, but i can't seem to find packages (specifically eclipse-pydev) with "apt-cache -t sid search". Am i overlooking sth? |
| 11:54.16 | abrotman | janis: search doesn't search source |
| 11:54.39 | janis | abrotman, oh :( still I can't apt-get source -t sid eclipse-pydev |
| 11:54.41 | libc_killer | i'm a linux user for >10 years now. that's nothing new to me. the question wasn't very ubuntu centric. but you're of course right in principle |
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| 11:55.28 | abrotman | janis: you just have to figure out hte source package |
| 11:55.32 | janis | abrotman, the error says: E: Unable to find a source package for eclipse-pydev |
| 11:55.33 | janis | oh.. |
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| 11:57.12 | janis | abrotman, is there a typical way to extrapolate the source package? |
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| 11:58.15 | X0Rc0re | hello |
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| 11:58.26 | tremon | janis: apt-cache show pkg|grep ^Source |
| 11:58.33 | X0Rc0re | can someone here help me with securing my VPS? |
| 11:58.37 | X0Rc0re | running debian |
| 11:58.50 | abrotman | !tell X0Rc0re about securing debian |
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| 11:59.30 | X0Rc0re | no but i dont know how to get to edit the config for iptables |
| 11:59.40 | injureddeer | http://forums.grsecurity.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&p=11712 anyone can help? |
| 11:59.59 | X0Rc0re | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:00.01 | abrotman | X0Rc0re: #netfilter or netfilter.org has instrucdtions on iptables |
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| 12:00.28 | abrotman | you haven't even said what you want to secure it from |
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| 12:01.05 | homes | X0Rc0re: then read a manual on iptables. |
| 12:01.27 | X0Rc0re | well im just looking for someone |
| 12:01.52 | janis | so, tremon, I guess i'll have to update with a deb entry for sid, right? thx! |
| 12:02.01 | abrotman | janis: uh, don't do that |
| 12:02.14 | abrotman | janis: that's now you end up with a mixed system, and that will likely break |
| 12:02.15 | homes | X0Rc0re: are you cute? |
| 12:02.23 | X0Rc0re | very much so |
| 12:02.41 | tremon | ,info eclipse-pydev |
| 12:02.42 | judd | No package named 'eclipse-pydev' was found in squeeze/i386. |
| 12:03.11 | useless-eater | Guys, trying to burn cd with growisofs. But something goes terribly wrong |
| 12:03.29 | tremon | ,info eclipse-pydev --release sid |
| 12:03.31 | judd | No package named 'eclipse-pydev' was found in sid/i386. |
| 12:03.35 | homes | useless-eater: oh? |
| 12:03.44 | useless-eater | :-( /dev/sr1: media is not recognized as recordable DVD: 9 |
| 12:03.51 | abrotman | janis: which veresion of eclipse do you have installed? |
| 12:03.54 | rysiek|pl | OHAI |
| 12:03.55 | janis | hm... http://packages.debian.org/sid/eclipse-pydev |
| 12:04.07 | useless-eater | thats the error.. but its the correct dev for cd/dvd writer |
| 12:04.10 | rysiek|pl | anybody would find a sec to help with an Apache reverse-proxy setup? :) |
| 12:04.23 | useless-eater | do I miss a package maybe? |
| 12:04.32 | janis | abrotman, dpkg -l |grep eclipse: rc eclipse-platform 3.5.2-6squeeze2 |
| 12:04.38 | janis | installs |
| 12:04.42 | abrotman | janis: uhm, it's been removed? |
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| 12:04.53 | janis | i haven't used it for a while |
| 12:05.09 | abrotman | janis: anyway .. the package in sid, which can be downloaded from packages.debian.org seems like it might just work in squeeze .. maybe just give it a try |
| 12:05.20 | rysiek|pl | http://wklej.org/id/711201/ -> when I visit /svn/ims_teamone I get the basic auth prompt, but then I get nonetheless reverse-proxied to brama-ng |
| 12:05.38 | rysiek|pl | as if part of the first Location stanzas where properly executed |
| 12:05.42 | rysiek|pl | and part were ignored |
| 12:05.50 | janis | ok abrotman !! btw, how come its not available in the repos? |
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| 12:06.19 | abrotman | janis: honestly, i don't use eclipse, not sure |
| 12:06.39 | tremon | janis: ask dpkg about snapshots, I suspect the mirrors have already dropped the package |
| 12:06.50 | abrotman | janis: weird .. the whole package is strangely missing |
| 12:06.59 | abrotman | even though it says it exists |
| 12:07.06 | nsadmin | which package? eclipse? |
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| 12:07.12 | useless-eater | I use this syntax: growisofs -Z /dev/sr1=VRMHOEM_NO.iso ; Get this error: ":-( /dev/sr1: media is not recognized as recordable DVD: 9" ; but dmesg tells me this: [ 5384.261583] sr1: scsi3-mmc drive: 8x/24x writer dvd-ram cd/rw xa/form2 cdda tray ; [ 5384.261747] sr 7:0:0:0: Attached scsi CD-ROM sr1 /dev/sr1 should work then right? |
| 12:07.50 | janis | nsadmin, eclipse-pydev. Could it be that its already integrated in the main package? How could IO determine? |
| 12:08.08 | abrotman | oh this should be interesting |
| 12:08.49 | janis | yay!! maybe no need to backport!! :) |
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| 12:11.00 | nsadmin | janis, if you can get eclipse running, then you can download pydev from it |
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| 12:12.06 | janis | nsadmin, really? cool!! its running perfectly!! i get it now! lemme try. thanks!! |
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| 12:16.47 | nsadmin | janis, you have an eclipse running? maybe 3.6.2 is a good start |
| 12:17.23 | dmi3on | after installing debian, PCI nic is identified as eth0 and on board nic eth2 and eth3, how i can change so eth0 is on board nic ? |
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| 12:19.40 | janis | nsadmin, I have installed from squeeze 3.5.2-6. Wheezy has 3.7.1-1. Is it worth backporting? |
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| 12:20.03 | nsadmin | dunno |
| 12:20.30 | tremon | dmi3on: /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules |
| 12:20.36 | rical | I'm emulating a physical enviroment with kvm. the physical env. has two swiches connected with an inter swich link ISL / trunk. anyone know how I can emulate that between bridges? |
| 12:20.40 | spartition | hi there, is there any open support chan for sid ? |
| 12:20.44 | nsadmin | never used 3.7, but I imagine it would be a change especially in some of its ui |
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| 12:21.25 | nsadmin | spartition, maybe #debian-next on oftc... and, are you considering doing real work using sid? |
| 12:21.40 | spartition | nsadmin, I already use Sid |
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| 12:21.49 | nsadmin | for real work? |
| 12:22.00 | spartition | nsadmin, yeah kinda, for home use. |
| 12:22.17 | nsadmin | so you're not supporting thousands of users |
| 12:22.33 | spartition | nsadmin, no no, it's more fore desktop use |
| 12:22.50 | spartition | nsadmin, but I have an issue using network-manager and network-amanger-gnome |
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| 12:23.08 | nsadmin | the least that can be said is you have no boss that can fire you for that :) |
| 12:23.31 | spartition | x) |
| 12:23.35 | nsadmin | never used that on sid |
| 12:23.43 | nsadmin | s/ that on// |
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| 12:24.03 | spartition | nsadmin, what should I use instead ? |
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| 12:24.13 | dmi3on | tremon, its poweredge III debian has no drivers for broadcom NIC that is on motherboard ? |
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| 12:24.59 | dmi3on | tremon: debian only recognized intel pro1000 NIC but not on board NIC, not sure why :( |
| 12:25.16 | spartition | nsadmin, oh yeah ... but I also am looking for a GUI for open-vpn and the easiest way is using network-manager no ? |
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| 12:27.05 | nsadmin | and, by using sid you claim a bunch of things... one, you know where the bts is and how to query it, you know how to read source code and the difference in source code between what is installed and what is about to be installed so that you can make decisions on whether to allow specific packages to be updated, you always try to determine and solve problems (and file bug reports with fixes) before interacting with humans and a few more. |
| 12:29.16 | nsadmin | one of which is you understand that the purpose of sid is to expose the packages being worked on currently for purposes of testing and development, and that it is not recomended to run sid for anything like real work |
| 12:29.43 | rical | anyone how how I can interlink two linux bridges? |
| 12:30.03 | nsadmin | having a backup plan that covers everything on your drive efficiently is recommended |
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| 12:30.33 | spartition | nsadmin, it's for a personnal use, already said, plus it's on a dual boot with wheezy. I just came here for a little help on network-manager conflict or anything with network-manager-gnome. That's it |
| 12:30.39 | nsadmin | rical, ethernet cable? |
| 12:31.24 | nsadmin | spartition, and when you checked the docs on these things yourself, what did you find? |
| 12:31.32 | rical | I get this, device isl is already a member of a bridge; can't enslave it to bridge br1. |
| 12:31.57 | rical | makes sense, for what I'm doing but I'm trying to create something that looks like an ISL trunk between then |
| 12:32.26 | nsadmin | why do you need two bridges? |
| 12:32.59 | useless-eater | what happened to cdrecord? I cant find out how to burn cds from cli now :\ |
| 12:33.26 | nsadmin | cdrecord was replaced with something... don't remember the name |
| 12:33.30 | nsadmin | !cdrecord |
| 12:33.30 | dpkg | cdrecord is a console-based CD burning program included in <cdrtools>. Replaced by wodim (part of cdrkit) in Debian, ask me about <wodim>. |
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| 12:38.53 | useless-eater | default cdrom is broken it seems. Want to change to #2 That should work. |
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| 13:03.41 | pie_ | how can i make a command(such as "fwknop") run on startup? |
| 13:04.00 | pie_ | its not implemented as a service and i'd need it running as soon as openssh is or before |
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| 13:05.22 | nsadmin | pie_, one way, start it in ssh |
| 13:05.26 | nsadmin | the script in init.d of |
| 13:05.30 | pie_ | ohhh |
| 13:05.39 | nsadmin | that's not so maintainable |
| 13:05.57 | abrotman | !tell pie_ about run at startup |
| 13:06.10 | nsadmin | unless you document the dogcrap out of it and print allcaps message in /etc/init.d/ssh |
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| 13:06.43 | pie_ | thanks |
| 13:06.45 | pie_ | ill try to do that |
| 13:06.46 | nsadmin | you are going to want to stop the script gracefully on shutdown? |
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| 13:06.56 | pie_ | well....probably |
| 13:07.15 | nsadmin | then, you should give it its own script |
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| 13:07.19 | pie_ | i know the program(fwknop) shuts down gracefully when i ctrl-c it |
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| 13:08.00 | nsadmin | then to shut it down from a script, send its process a SIGINT |
| 13:08.12 | nsadmin | which is what ctrl c does |
| 13:08.36 | abrotman | wtf |
| 13:08.45 | nsadmin | which necessarily means you will have to keep track of its pid |
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| 13:09.50 | abrotman | pie_: /etc/init.d/skeleton has a great outline and plenty of notes in there .. just read that |
| 13:09.56 | abrotman | nsadmin: maybe you should too |
| 13:10.07 | pie_ | hmm, http://www.cipherdyne.org/fwknop/docs/manpages/fwknopd.html has a --kill parameter...i wonder if i its a force kill or what you said... |
| 13:10.35 | nsadmin | why would you want to force kill it? |
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| 13:11.26 | pie_ | i dont want to, im wondering if -K will forcefully do it or allow it to do a graceful shutdown |
| 13:11.32 | nsadmin | you want to be able to shut it down gracefully? check that man page to see if this --kill does a SIGKILL which is not graceful |
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| 13:11.51 | nsadmin | ok, so check that |
| 13:12.09 | pie_ | doesnt specify :/ also it might be outdated... |
| 13:12.14 | pie_ | the man page that is |
| 13:12.41 | pie_ | well, seems i can get the PID by parsing the output of -S |
| 13:12.57 | nsadmin | hmm... outdated? just a sec. why do you wnat to use this thing? and why does it have to run before ssh? |
| 13:12.58 | abrotman | pie_: have you looked at /etc/init.d/skeleton yet? |
| 13:13.13 | pie_ | ohwait it seems there might be a pid file... |
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| 13:13.20 | pie_ | i will in a sec |
| 13:13.22 | nsadmin | what problem does it solve? |
| 13:13.35 | pie_ | its a single packed authorization daemon |
| 13:13.40 | abrotman | pie_: you should probably read it before you keep down this road, it probably answers a lot of your questions |
| 13:13.43 | pie_ | its like port knocking but even fancier |
| 13:14.51 | abrotman | pie_: doesn't the fwknop-server package have an init script already? |
| 13:14.58 | pie_ | thats old |
| 13:15.08 | pie_ | ive compiled 2.* |
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| 13:15.22 | abrotman | judd: versions fwknop-server |
| 13:15.23 | judd | Package: fwknop-server on i386 -- squeeze: 1.9.12-2; sid: 1.9.12-3.1; wheezy: 1.9.12-3.1; experimental: 2.0.0rc2-1 |
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| 13:15.36 | pie_ | "experimental: 2.0.0rc2-1" >.> |
| 13:15.48 | pie_ | hats good to know... |
| 13:16.00 | nsadmin | yeah, you should read the skeleton file and you should read some of these man pages like the one for your thing you want to run, start-stop-daemon (which is a debian standard for starting and stopping things on boot/shutdown) |
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| 13:16.38 | DexterF | hi |
| 13:16.50 | abrotman | 10 minutes later ... |
| 13:16.57 | nsadmin | oh, and you very likely do NOT want to use the experimental package because (1) anything at all can be wrong with it and (2) something -is- wrong with it |
| 13:17.13 | pie_ | ok then |
| 13:17.21 | pie_ | i guss ill stick to this |
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| 13:17.44 | nsadmin | is there anything wrong with running the one packaged for your version of debian? |
| 13:17.55 | DexterF | got a fileserver with a 5 disk raid5 array. at night noone uses it so I'd like to set the disks to a power ssave mode that allows spindown. I tried hdparm -B127 but every couple seconds something wakes up the array. how can I figure what? |
| 13:18.27 | abrotman | DexterF: it's probably a filesystem sync .. |
| 13:18.33 | nsadmin | if you're using some source compiled one and not the packaged one, dist-specific help will be hard to come by |
| 13:18.54 | pie_ | i couldnt get it working, or so i thought, it turns out i probably needed to set up a default drop firewall |
| 13:19.07 | pie_ | which i did for this version |
| 13:19.31 | pie_ | the old one isin perl and this is in C, past that im not shure what the exact differences are so i gues si could revert... |
| 13:19.34 | nsadmin | traditionally, firewalls are to run on machines that do not run services |
| 13:19.50 | pie_ | this is for a gateay VM |
| 13:19.53 | pie_ | *gateway |
| 13:20.00 | abrotman | nsadmin: that doesnt' make sense ... |
| 13:20.33 | abrotman | nsadmin: what if i want to restrict that service to a specific subnet? |
| 13:20.41 | DexterF | abrotman: the array is data only, no OS components. anythign one can do about it? |
| 13:20.51 | abrotman | DexterF: unmount it? :) |
| 13:21.15 | nsadmin | the service would run inside the net and the routing would run on an edge device |
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| 13:21.25 | abrotman | DexterF: not sure if this is something powertop could help with .. there's also a website called lesswatts.org that might help |
| 13:21.28 | abrotman | nsadmin: on a LAN ? |
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| 13:21.45 | nsadmin | he didn't say what kind of net he has |
| 13:21.53 | abrotman | you made a blanket statement |
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| 13:21.58 | DexterF | abrotman: looking at powertop this second and lesswatts is loaded.... |
| 13:22.02 | abrotman | you said machines taht run services don't have firewalls |
| 13:22.15 | abrotman | which is bullshit |
| 13:22.25 | nsadmin | no, because in that position they're ineffective |
| 13:22.35 | tremon | DexterF: at a very low level, you're looking at sysstat/blkstat I think |
| 13:22.38 | abrotman | oh jesus .. |
| 13:22.51 | abrotman | please tell me you don't actually administrate internet facing systems ... |
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| 13:23.30 | abrotman | DexterF: if you umount the filesystem (not sure if that's an option), that would obviously prevent anything from using it |
| 13:23.39 | nsadmin | if I follow that line of the conversation, I'd be going away from serving and toward an (off-topic_ argument |
| 13:24.18 | DexterF | abrotman: not good, those fs are nfs served to my home net. |
| 13:24.38 | abrotman | DexterF: but you want to power down the drives .. but things are going to being accessing them all night? |
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| 13:25.06 | pie_ | it is a lan |
| 13:25.37 | nsadmin | with NAT? |
| 13:25.40 | DexterF | so I'd have to take down nfs, then unmount etc. no, nobody is accessing these fs during the night, that's why I wonder what makes the drives spin up. I know where you're going, but isn't the idea of having a computer automate this kind of stuff so I don't have to do it manually? |
| 13:25.40 | pie_ | yup |
| 13:25.47 | abrotman | pie_: well, according to nsadmin .. you don't need a firewall .. that should be obvious! |
| 13:26.03 | pie_ | abrotman, the firewall is totally the router yknow |
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| 13:26.37 | DexterF | tremon: blkstat/sysstat? |
| 13:27.08 | abrotman | DexterF: how do you know that no one is accessing them? the clients are all powered off ? |
| 13:27.17 | nsadmin | ok, so you have a firewall on the edge of that lan? (if you're listening to me, abrotman is saying things that tend to twist what I'm saying... so either state you want to pay attention to me and ignore abrotman's comments about that, or pay attention to abrotman... and say which you want to do) |
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| 13:27.54 | pie_ | tbh this is just for a single port but i just dont feel like letting port scans show it but still have it be accessible >.> |
| 13:27.58 | abrotman | firewalls can be used in many circumstances .. saying that "if you have services, you don't need a firewall" is completely silly |
| 13:28.14 | tremon | ,info sysstat |
| 13:28.15 | judd | Package sysstat (admin, optional) in squeeze/i386: system performance tools for Linux. Version: 9.0.6.1-2; Size: 277.0k; Installed: 1124k; Homepage: http://pagesperso-orange.fr/sebastien.godard/ |
| 13:28.29 | abrotman | pie_: and you expect the port to be accessible from anywhere? |
| 13:28.29 | pie_ | abchirk_, he said more along the lines of firewalls are traditionally not on boxes with services |
| 13:28.34 | nsadmin | pie_, so it's because you want to be less visible to port scans that you want to do this on your edge device? |
| 13:28.40 | abrotman | pie_: which is false |
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| 13:28.47 | valdyn | pie_: either its accessible or it can not be scanned, having both is not possible |
| 13:29.06 | abrotman | valdyn: i get the feeling he wants to do port knocking, but he hasn't come out and said that |
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| 13:29.34 | nsadmin | actually he did mention port knocking |
| 13:29.47 | tremon | DexterF: http://manpages.debian.net/cgi-bin/man.cgi?query=sar |
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| 13:30.14 | nsadmin | in the context of this thing he wants to use which is somehow more than port knocking |
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| 13:30.23 | valdyn | oh he wants to do "port knocking but fancier" |
| 13:30.26 | pie_ | valdyn, http://www.cipherdyne.org/fwknop/docs/SPA.html |
| 13:30.27 | valdyn | geez |
| 13:30.44 | nsadmin | valdyn, well I think he said that the thing he's using does that |
| 13:30.46 | pie_ | and hey, practice doesnt hurt |
| 13:31.08 | abrotman | pie_: anyway .. did you get your "how do i run it at startup" question answered ? |
| 13:31.13 | nsadmin | unless you're practicing like mister tendonitis himself, Yngwie |
| 13:31.14 | pie_ | yeah, thanks |
| 13:31.31 | tremon | DexterF: I thought it could report which process was causing the activity as well, memory may be a bit hazy, been a long time |
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| 13:32.05 | pie_ | theres something that can list open fiels i know that |
| 13:32.14 | abrotman | pie_: fuser and lsof |
| 13:32.43 | DexterF | tremon: no such commands. you mean the code libs? |
| 13:32.44 | nsadmin | pie_, the bottom line I think, is that thing -is- a daemon and should be treated like one: should be started and shut down cleanly |
| 13:33.08 | pie_ | didi think i said i wanted it to too >.> |
| 13:33.26 | pie_ | so lsof | grep *root of the drives* might help? |
| 13:33.46 | nsadmin | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:33.59 | nsadmin | not sure what you're after here |
| 13:34.19 | pie_ | no i mean where its mounted... |
| 13:34.38 | abrotman | thinks wires got crossed |
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| 13:34.52 | nsadmin | so you want to see if that partition is busy? (how did we get here? :) |
| 13:34.59 | pie_ | if USB-DISK is mounted in /media and its being accessed shouldnt you get open files by lsof | grep /media/USB-DISK |
| 13:35.12 | pie_ | pardon me if my gfrep syntax is bad |
| 13:35.15 | pie_ | *grep |
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| 13:35.32 | pie_ | this is completely different from what i asked, this is DexterF's question |
| 13:35.33 | nsadmin | well yeah, my only question was around me missing where the subject shifted to that |
| 13:35.42 | nsadmin | oh :) |
| 13:35.45 | pie_ | ;P |
| 13:35.54 | tremon | DexterF: no I mean the package sysstat. iotop might possibly be more useful |
| 13:36.17 | pie_ | once you have the file use fuser on it |
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| 13:36.44 | WilsonBradley | Good morning.. (this side of the planet) How goes it , all? |
| 13:37.00 | dvs | grrrrrrrrrr |
| 13:37.09 | nsadmin | is that really your question? :) |
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| 13:37.33 | pie_ | WilsonBradley, terribly; still war here and there, death, robbery, assault, rape, hunger, abuse |
| 13:37.51 | WilsonBradley | Here=Where? |
| 13:37.51 | nsadmin | oh, you just wrote three Genesis tunes |
| 13:38.15 | pie_ | WilsonBradley, the planet earth my dear Wilson(watson :P) |
| 13:38.26 | pie_ | and were just staring at glowing pixelated screens |
| 13:38.55 | WilsonBradley | WEll, people are allowing fraud elections.. so no hope for our future either. |
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| 13:40.31 | nsadmin | WilsonBradley, not wanting to be pushy or anything, and you should probably get to your debian support q |
| 13:41.01 | WilsonBradley | Ya, I know... sorry |
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| 13:41.29 | nsadmin | np, a little is ok with me (well, anything is ok with me :) |
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| 13:42.05 | injureddeer | why my /var/log/boot dont work? i have "(Nothing has been logged yet.)" and in /etc/default/bootlogd i have "BOOTLOGD_ENABLE=Yes", my distro is debian/wheezy |
| 13:42.43 | tremon | ah, one of the perennial mysteries of Debian... |
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| 13:43.35 | nsadmin | injureddeer, "why my /var/log/boot dont work?" and by "dont work" you mean nothing logged? what was the last thing you did to your system? is this a new install? if not can you say at least a little more about its history? |
| 13:43.39 | nsadmin | brb nb |
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| 13:44.18 | jubo2 | For over 10 yrs algorithms have existed on OS X to weed out unintentional taps and gestures when using touchpad. Why does Debian GNU/Linux not have this kinds of algorithms |
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| 13:44.59 | jubo2 | Is there a package I can install to have this kinds of algorithms |
| 13:45.04 | sda1986 | hi all, let's assume I have 3 different network to use at the same time, a standard internet and 2 subtnet, Usually i should choose one of those 3 to use, because I have a different ip for each of them. I have multiple computer who need to do that, and all of the should have their ip on the network. I would like to build a router who can help me to be connected to all 3 net at the same time. |
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| 13:45.23 | jubo2 | also enabling two-finger scroll gesture like on Xubuntu and Kubuntu would be nice too |
| 13:45.37 | tremon | jubo2: sounds like you're using the wrong OS |
| 13:45.59 | jubo2 | The sides of your thumbs do all sorts of funky shit on the touchpad when u type right.. |
| 13:46.28 | jelly-home | jubo2: well, people at Apple had been _paid_ to fix those issues and, as you say, had time to investigate and tune the fixes properly. |
| 13:46.38 | WilsonBradley | sda1986 -> It's been a dream of mine... it's called MultiPlexing |
| 13:46.50 | WilsonBradley | not possible |
| 13:46.57 | jubo2 | I need algorithms to have the touchpad not get all sorts of stupid "signals" from the sides of my thumbs as they hang around the space key |
| 13:47.06 | nsadmin | jubo2, existing algorithms and other OSes aside, yeah, sometimes I want to throw my touchpad away... unfortunately the laptop is attached... |
| 13:47.42 | nsadmin | jubo2, the only thing I can suggest is an external mouse |
| 13:47.49 | jubo2 | because accepting stupid signals is just not brainsane |
| 13:48.24 | nsadmin | but the signals exist, and the pad accepts what it hears |
| 13:48.27 | jubo2 | nsadmin: The System Settings needs much much more then in the KDE on Debian GNU/Linux |
| 13:48.48 | nsadmin | coincidentally, I have a touchpad and kde |
| 13:49.00 | jubo2 | nsadmin: If iPhones would pick up stupid signals from the cheek people would be enfuriated at such low quality of make and build |
| 13:49.17 | abrotman | jubo2: gsynaptics ? |
| 13:49.27 | jubo2 | to accept stupid signals is not brainsane policy |
| 13:49.42 | jubo2 | abrotman: this is a package I can install ? |
| 13:49.45 | nsadmin | jubo2, you know, Jay Leno did mention a brand new feature that iPhone would do that has never been successful before... |
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| 13:50.05 | sda1986 | WilsonBradley, I though a bit about it, I assume to have 4 ethX 3 for the network and 1 for my network. Let's call them Out1 Out2 Out3 and Local. Now think about a single computer in the Local. I can easily make some routes and traslate my localIP in a OutX IP, right? |
| 13:50.07 | nsadmin | (Leno is host of the Tonite Show) |
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| 13:51.10 | nsadmin | is gsynaptics a kernel module? |
| 13:51.15 | jubo2 | abrotman: 'gsynaptics' .. is this a package I can install to have more configurability to the touch-pad ? |
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| 13:51.33 | WilsonBradley | sada- I don't know.. it's more complicated than I can figure.. I do know I researched it for years.. because I want to take multiple Wi-Fi points and put them together |
| 13:51.37 | nsadmin | that's easy, |
| 13:51.45 | nsadmin | , versions gsynaptic |
| 13:51.46 | judd | No package named 'gsynaptic' was found in i386. |
| 13:51.46 | WilsonBradley | From what I read it's not possilbe |
| 13:51.47 | abrotman | judd: info gsynaptics --release squeeze |
| 13:51.48 | judd | Package gsynaptics (utils, optional) in squeeze/i386: configuration tool for pointing devices (transitional package). Version: 1.5.1-3; Size: 3.7k; Installed: 36k; Homepage: http://live.gnome.org/GPointingDeviceSettings; Screenshot: http://screenshots.debian.net/package/gsynaptics |
| 13:51.52 | sda1986 | WilsonBradley, now think about have multiple device on LOCAL, i should have an IP of OUTx for each LOCAL devices. So I though i can create a VIRTUAL ETH and use the 3Outh physical ethernet as bridge, create dynamically routes and virtual eth |
| 13:52.00 | pie_ | maybe decrease touchpad sensitivity if possible |
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| 13:52.34 | nsadmin | pie_, that would have a blanket effect... maybe a good interrim solution |
| 13:52.41 | abrotman | jubo2: if you use kde, i'm sure there's a similar package .. |
| 13:53.09 | pie_ | when does the mountnfs.sh script get run? >.> |
| 13:53.35 | nsadmin | maybe the package should figure out if there's typing goin on and use that as a sidechain in the mouse event filter |
| 13:53.42 | Iridos | hm, pbuilder seems to fail satisfying build-depends, but I don't see why it should |
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| 13:53.44 | pie_ | and where can i read about the init info stuff? |
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| 13:53.51 | abrotman | nsadmin: you mean the driver .. patches welcome! |
| 13:54.20 | pie_ | nsadmin, what if the user jst needs to use the mouse? |
| 13:54.43 | jubo2 | abrotman: I like Konversation very much.. there are not many things I'd change about it.. |
| 13:54.44 | Iridos | oh well, guess I figure it out later |
| 13:55.03 | JCDenton | If I wanted to install apache2-mpm-worker (replacing apache2-mpm-prefork), but an application (OpenPanel) says it requires apache2-mpm-prefork, how can I force apt to just replace apache2-mpm-prefork with apache2-mpm-worker without having to uninstall anything? |
| 13:55.22 | JCDenton | I really don't see why it should make a difference. It's still Apache, no real difference. |
| 13:55.39 | abrotman | jubo2: i said kde, not konversation .. but anyway .. apt-cache search touchpad .. see if there's a configuration utility for you |
| 13:56.00 | abrotman | JCDenton: some applications are unstable with different thread models |
| 13:56.05 | jelly-home | JCDenton: what if a module, say, mod_php, does not work well with apache2-mpm-worker? |
| 13:56.07 | nsadmin | JCDenton, try uninstalling OpenPanel temporarily |
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| 13:57.55 | nsadmin | jelly-home, if it's mod-php, so much the better :) (ok, so I'm not so happy with answering php-oriented questions and having to say php sucks, try omething else) |
| 13:58.00 | JCDenton | I installed OpenPanel because I wanted the freedom to customize everything how I wanted. I really don't understand how it would break anything, I've run a custom compiled setup before with absolutely no problems |
| 13:58.23 | JCDenton | Using worker, not prefork. |
| 13:58.27 | jelly-home | JCDenton: why not ask the OpenPanel people |
| 13:58.34 | JCDenton | I did, but their channel is pretty dead. |
| 13:58.38 | nsadmin | JCDenton, -temporarily- |
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| 13:59.59 | nsadmin | abrotman, you mentioned thread models and how some things don't work so well with some,,, was that response in the context of touchpads? |
| 14:00.03 | JCDenton | http://pastie.org/3615003 |
| 14:00.09 | nsadmin | or which? |
| 14:00.17 | abrotman | nsadmin: no, apache |
| 14:00.18 | JCDenton | This is really why I've always custom compiled my HTTPD's in the past :/ |
| 14:00.23 | nsadmin | oh ok |
| 14:00.33 | abrotman | nsadmin: i'm not aware that touchpads have threads? :) |
| 14:00.39 | nsadmin | JCDenton, same here |
| 14:00.45 | nsadmin | abrotman, same here |
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| 14:01.30 | JCDenton | So basically, if I want to use apache2-mpm-worker, I'll have to uninstall everything else? |
| 14:01.40 | jelly-home | JCDenton: say, what happens if you use apt-get instead of aptitude? |
| 14:03.16 | nsadmin | JCDenton, if you're used to building your web stack, that might be the best thing to do (then debian can't control it) |
| 14:03.17 | abrotman | jelly-home: the models conflict IIRC |
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| 14:03.23 | Rydekull | JCDenton: there's something wrong there :-P |
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| 14:03.42 | jelly-home | abrotman: sorry? |
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| 14:04.24 | nemysis | is safe to switch from squeeze to wheezy in /etc/apt/sources.list need only new rsync-3.0.9 |
| 14:04.35 | JCDenton | Honestly I don't think I should even be worrying about it right now, it's not going to give that much of a performance boost for me |
| 14:04.35 | dvs | no |
| 14:04.43 | jelly-home | nemysis: no. |
| 14:04.57 | jelly-home | ,versions rsync |
| 14:04.59 | judd | Package: rsync on i386 -- lenny: 3.0.3-2; lenny-backports: 3.0.7-1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 3.0.7-2; sid: 3.0.9-1; wheezy: 3.0.9-1 |
| 14:05.02 | abrotman | jelly-home: i meant in terms of using apt-get instaed of aptitude |
| 14:05.04 | nemysis | ok jelly-home, dvs |
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| 14:05.29 | jelly-home | !tell nemysis about ssb |
| 14:05.30 | nemysis | yes have seen this in stable and backports are only 3.0.7 |
| 14:05.46 | abrotman | nemysis: lenny-backports aren't for squeeze, they're built from squeeze |
| 14:05.53 | jelly-home | nemysis: make a local backport yourself, should not be too hard for rsync |
| 14:05.58 | jelly-home | ,checkbackport rsync |
| 14:05.59 | judd | Backporting package rsync in sid→squeeze/i386: all build-dependencies satisfied using squeeze. |
| 14:06.13 | nemysis | deb http://mirror.switch.ch/ftp/mirror/debian/ squeeze main is now |
| 14:06.43 | nemysis | deb http://backports.debian.org/debian-backports squeeze-backports main |
| 14:06.52 | jelly-home | abrotman: dunno about models, what aptitude does often seems like there was no modeling involved |
| 14:07.44 | abrotman | judd: conflicts apache2-mpm-prefork |
| 14:07.45 | judd | Package apache2-mpm-prefork in squeeze/i386 -- conflicts: apache2-common, apache2-mpm. |
| 14:07.48 | afidegnum | hello, pls I having issue with nameserers, I believe, so far, when tried running apt-get update on debian, I am greeted with error fetching links, so I have been told to configure my resolv.conf which I did by typing nameservers vpsdns1.dmehosting.com yet the issue is not resolving. what should i do please? |
| 14:07.57 | nemysis | how to make a local backport I'm new to Debian GNU/Linux |
| 14:08.20 | abrotman | afidegnum: should be "nameserver IPOfThatHost" |
| 14:08.54 | abrotman | afidegnum: in this case: nameserver 74.221.212.16 |
| 14:08.56 | pie_ | where are the INIT INFO things in init.d/skeleton explained? |
| 14:09.04 | abrotman | pie_: eh? |
| 14:09.09 | afidegnum | thanks, let me check |
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| 14:09.42 | nsadmin | afidegnum, do you see why you cannot use the -name- of the dns server in resolv.conf? |
| 14:10.05 | afidegnum | no pls |
| 14:10.30 | nsadmin | because a name server would have the resolve the name of the name server |
| 14:10.34 | abrotman | afidegnum: you can't use the name because that line tells the system where to translate names to numbers |
| 14:10.41 | nsadmin | and that leads to a broken conflict |
| 14:11.28 | afidegnum | ok, understood now, thanks a lot |
| 14:12.15 | nsadmin | so, you have to use the numeric IP there |
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| 14:12.41 | abrotman | as opposed to the name IP? :) |
| 14:13.08 | afidegnum | should I restart the server after configuration or it is directly configured? |
| 14:13.17 | nsadmin | that one is direct |
| 14:13.18 | abrotman | afidegnum: it should work immediately |
| 14:13.38 | abrotman | afidegnum: some daemons may cache it, but generally, you'll be okay |
| 14:13.45 | nsadmin | nothing to restart (an exception exists, but not for your case) |
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| 14:14.04 | guardian | hi |
| 14:14.31 | guardian | for instance, i modified /etc/php/fpm/pool.d/www.conf how can i see what the package version was? |
| 14:15.07 | abrotman | guardian: /msg dpkg confnew |
| 14:15.20 | guardian | thx |
| 14:15.23 | abrotman | guardian: make a backup of your file first |
| 14:15.24 | pie_ | abrotman, if you look at the skeleton its in the beginning |
| 14:15.43 | abrotman | pie_: you want to change where it starts? or what it depends on ? |
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| 14:16.37 | abrotman | !tell pie_ about lsb tags |
| 14:16.38 | afidegnum | abrotman: the issue is still the same |
| 14:16.39 | abrotman | i think ? |
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| 14:16.49 | afidegnum | here is an example of the errors Err http://ftp.us.debian.org squeeze Release.gpg |
| 14:16.50 | afidegnum | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:16.52 | abrotman | afidegnum: you didn't explain your issue, you just asked about that file |
| 14:17.05 | injureddeer | where can i get all hosts/ip what request whois command? i wanna got it to add to my firewall, don't ask why, i just need it and i know what i do :p |
| 14:17.14 | abrotman | afidegnum: type 'dig ftp.us.debian.org' .. what does it say ? |
| 14:17.30 | afidegnum | Err http://security.debian.org squeeze/updates Release.gpg |
| 14:17.31 | abrotman | injureddeer: why not block the port? |
| 14:17.32 | afidegnum | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:17.33 | afidegnum | Reading package lists... Done |
| 14:17.34 | afidegnum | W: Failed to fetch http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/squeeze/Release.gpg Temporary failure resolving 'ftp.us.debian.org' |
| 14:17.47 | abrotman | afidegnum: please use paste.debian.net |
| 14:17.56 | nsadmin | abrotman, you walked into that one :) |
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| 14:18.09 | abrotman | it wasn't what i asked him for ... |
| 14:18.16 | abrotman | injureddeer: block port 43 at the firewall ? |
| 14:18.18 | nsadmin | that's true |
| 14:18.21 | Rydekull | I think he is still pasting his previous info |
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| 14:19.12 | nsadmin | can pastebinit use gist? |
| 14:19.34 | afidegnum | dig ftp.us.debian.org |
| 14:19.36 | afidegnum | ; <<>> DiG 9.7.0-P1 <<>> ftp.us.debian.org |
| 14:19.37 | afidegnum | ;; global options: +cmd |
| 14:19.38 | afidegnum | ;; connection timed out; no servers could be reached |
| 14:19.47 | Rydekull | afidegnum: stop pasting into the channel, use pastbin.com |
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| 14:20.04 | afidegnum | euh, it came by accident |
| 14:20.08 | afidegnum | it won't happen again pls |
| 14:20.29 | nsadmin | np, thanks for becoming aware |
| 14:21.01 | afidegnum | abrotman: that's the result of the dig pls |
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| 14:21.14 | nsadmin | so it can't reach dns server |
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| 14:21.51 | afidegnum | how do I configure the DNS server pls ? |
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| 14:22.05 | abrotman | afidegnum: can you ping the IP of the dns server? |
| 14:22.18 | injureddeer | abrotman: dns is on 53 port |
| 14:22.19 | nsadmin | afidegnum, check to see if resolv.conf is still the same as when you changed it |
| 14:22.26 | abrotman | afidegnum: can you try `dig www.google.com @8.8.8.8` |
| 14:22.31 | abrotman | injureddeer: whois is port 43 |
| 14:22.42 | injureddeer | but i wanna allow this on none tor, and all trafic is on tor |
| 14:23.03 | abrotman | injureddeer: you have people on your network using tor to do whois commands ? |
| 14:23.24 | injureddeer | 43 tcp or udp? |
| 14:23.30 | nsadmin | you should let them do their own whois |
| 14:23.30 | afidegnum | ok, first of all, here is the details of the server berylhostvm @ 46.4.45.98:22 and the main IP of the server is IP 78.46.145.7 it's a VPS server |
| 14:23.36 | injureddeer | i dont wanna push whois over tor |
| 14:23.39 | injureddeer | because this is so slow |
| 14:23.59 | injureddeer | same as with apt-get commands, i added all ipv4 from /etc/apt/sources.list and work ok |
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| 14:24.08 | injureddeer | but maybe i will do some no tor for 43 port hmm |
| 14:24.17 | abrotman | afidegnum: can you try `dig www.google.com @8.8.8.8` |
| 14:24.35 | abrotman | injureddeer: not sure what whois has to do with this |
| 14:24.47 | afidegnum | ok, trying that, but first, the original value inside resolv.conf before I changed was 4.2.2.1 4.2.2.2 |
| 14:25.17 | nsadmin | afidegnum, how many nameserver lines do you have? |
| 14:25.32 | nsadmin | also see abrotman's question |
| 14:25.34 | afidegnum | I had 2 nameservers line |
| 14:25.39 | nsadmin | and now? |
| 14:25.54 | afidegnum | 4.2.2.1 and 4.2.2.2 |
| 14:26.02 | nsadmin | one sec |
| 14:26.31 | Rydekull | afidegnum: cat /etc/resolv.conf ; dig www.google.com @8.8.8.8 ; dig www.google.com @4.2.2.1 |
| 14:26.36 | Rydekull | afidegnum: copy all that information to pastebin |
| 14:27.03 | nsadmin | ok, 4.2.2.1 does work as nameserver and allows recursion |
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| 14:29.33 | nsadmin | and 4.2.2.2 |
| 14:29.52 | syntaxx | which is the most recommended service to use for sharing files.. NFS via firewalled public network or direct apache download using htpasswd security? |
| 14:30.32 | nsadmin | syntaxx, you want anyone to anonymously post, and anon get, files? |
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| 14:31.09 | syntaxx | nsadmin, actually no anon get and received.. im just the owner and auth user can download |
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| 14:31.50 | nrdb | I am having some trouble here ... I have debain running on VirtualBox ... I can't seem to get apt-get to work properly ... I am trying to use the ftp.au.debian.org mirror ... I can ping it ... I get error when using apt-get ... and the command 'wget http://ftp.au.debian.org/debain' doesn't work ether... :-( ... any ideas on what might be wrong? |
| 14:32.08 | abrotman | nrdb: misspelled |
| 14:32.33 | nsadmin | syntaxx, so you want there to be users and permissions |
| 14:32.47 | syntaxx | nsadmin, yes |
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| 14:33.03 | nrdb | abrotman, ok misspelled when I asked ... not wget command |
| 14:33.07 | Rydekull | syntaxx: SFTP with the use of SSH? use the builtin chroot |
| 14:33.11 | nsadmin | there are lots and lots of choices of how to go about that |
| 14:33.11 | abrotman | nrdb: ah okay .. |
| 14:33.18 | abrotman | nrdb: proxied? |
| 14:33.32 | nrdb | abrotman, no |
| 14:33.36 | afidegnum | Rydekull: nsadmin abrotman here are the results of the dig... http://pastebin.com/0Ch97Ge6 |
| 14:33.43 | abrotman | nrdb: wget www.google.com works ? |
| 14:33.55 | syntaxx | Rydekull, sorry im also talking about large file size.. like maximum of 10GB transfer |
| 14:34.12 | nsadmin | maybe you want them to have shell access to your machine, maybe not... maybe you want the unix-style users to be separate from the file transferring users |
| 14:34.20 | abrotman | he screwed up the dig command .. :( |
| 14:34.23 | Rydekull | syntaxx: I stand by what I said, SFTP-server |
| 14:34.40 | Rydekull | afidegnum: Sorry, but you've a space too little in your dig-command |
| 14:34.49 | syntaxx | Rydekull, but aint encrypted session make download slower? |
| 14:34.50 | Rydekull | afidegnum: you need a space infront of the @-sign |
| 14:34.57 | Rydekull | syntaxx: and secure |
| 14:34.59 | afidegnum | ok |
| 14:35.09 | nrdb | abrotman, no ... just checking something |
| 14:35.18 | tremon | nrdb: traceroute -T? |
| 14:35.20 | nsadmin | there are also many different ways of storing the users, ldap, some sql server (postgres comes to mind as a very high quality one) |
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| 14:36.01 | nsadmin | openacs with the file-storage app comes to mind as well, in which case get ready to learn aolserver and possibly tcl :) |
| 14:36.10 | nrdb | abrotman, tremon , I think I found it... two VM with the same MAC address. |
| 14:36.18 | nsadmin | but that much will not require any custom programming |
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| 14:36.51 | abrotman | nrdb: whoops |
| 14:37.09 | manja | cuando saldra la nueva version de debian |
| 14:37.21 | Rydekull | syntaxx: at any rate, you asked what we found to be the most recommended, using a sftp-server is certainly the way to share files I recommend the most |
| 14:37.23 | abrotman | manja: Squeeze, 6.0 |
| 14:37.27 | abrotman | manja: english here please |
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| 14:37.34 | manja | ok |
| 14:37.42 | nsadmin | afidegnum, how you doin over ther? |
| 14:37.44 | manja | sorry man |
| 14:37.44 | abrotman | i think he asked what the newest release of Debian is :) |
| 14:37.45 | syntaxx | Rydekull, right.. maybe ill see about sftp then.. |
| 14:37.58 | syntaxx | Rydekull and nsadmin thanks a lot! |
| 14:38.00 | afidegnum | well, all still providing the same results |
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| 14:38.46 | nsadmin | syntaxx, openacs is a really big thing with a long but fairly constant-slope learning curve |
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| 14:39.08 | afidegnum | well, there is no change. what else do i have to do ? |
| 14:39.20 | Rydekull | afidegnum: We'd love to see the actual output |
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| 14:39.43 | syntaxx | nsadmin, we'll check on it as well.. also im not talking about a lot of users here.. just probably more or less 5 users |
| 14:39.46 | afidegnum | it's the same output as I posted in the pastebin |
| 14:40.01 | nsadmin | afidegnum, also show the exact command you used please |
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| 14:40.25 | nsadmin | or... |
| 14:40.26 | nrdb | abrotman, tremon , that fixed it. :-) |
| 14:40.47 | nsadmin | afidegnum, try this: dig @8.8.8.8 yahoo.com |
| 14:41.00 | nsadmin | if you get different, pastebin it |
| 14:41.09 | nsadmin | make sure the spaces are in the right place |
| 14:41.18 | afidegnum | ok, meanwhile, can you please check if this traceroute will mean something ? http://pastebin.com/363fVkXT |
| 14:41.47 | Rydekull | syntaxx: The reason why SSH(sftp-server) is so suitable for this is, everything is built in, you have SSH at all machines, and all you need to manage permission and handle it securely is to use regular file permissions in conjunction with making sure that ssh is configured properly |
| 14:42.07 | Rydekull | syntaxx: not to mention, it is a very reliable and secure protocol |
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| 14:42.38 | nsadmin | afidegnum, that traceroute (if that's the complete output) looks like it reaches its destination |
| 14:42.44 | syntaxx | Rydekull, understand..it also support resume download right? |
| 14:43.13 | afidegnum | hmm, the dig are still producing the same result |
| 14:43.34 | nsadmin | afidegnum, it's looking like that machine does not have net |
| 14:43.57 | afidegnum | hehe ... this is scary, otherwise, I won't be able to control it via SSH here |
| 14:44.07 | nsadmin | afidegnum, ping 72.30.38.140 |
| 14:44.11 | afidegnum | it's a vps box |
| 14:44.31 | injureddeer | abrotman: i do 43/tcp without tor and work fine :) |
| 14:44.39 | injureddeer | abrotman: thx anyway |
| 14:44.43 | nsadmin | maybe it's not being allowed to reach other dns servers |
| 14:45.09 | nsadmin | (this would NOT be in service to people running remotes) |
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| 14:45.46 | nsadmin | afidegnum, you are not showing the exact commands you are using. |
| 14:45.52 | nsadmin | please do so |
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| 14:46.04 | afidegnum | I am using the exact commands pls. |
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| 14:46.12 | nsadmin | please show them |
| 14:46.31 | nsadmin | I'm not going beyond this point without that |
| 14:46.48 | afidegnum | since I ran root@mx:/# ping 72.30.38.140 PING 72.30.38.140 (72.30.38.140) 56(84) bytes of data.it hangs there wit no output |
| 14:47.00 | nsadmin | no output? |
| 14:47.13 | nsadmin | so no pings, no icmp maybe |
| 14:47.28 | tremon | afidegnum: abort with ctrl-C, it will show statistics. Have you pasted ip show route yet? |
| 14:47.30 | afidegnum | that's all it shows me, I thinkg there should be a sequeces of data ping and received, but nothing is showing |
| 14:47.41 | nsadmin | ok, ping 8.8.8.8 |
| 14:48.03 | nsadmin | this is somewhat likely to hang too |
| 14:48.13 | nsadmin | brb |
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| 14:48.30 | afidegnum | --- 72.30.38.140 ping statistics --- 165 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 164005ms |
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| 14:49.11 | Rydekull | afidegnum: Do you know what your default gateway(router) is? |
| 14:49.26 | Rydekull | syntaxx: Normally, depending on the client, yes |
| 14:49.31 | afidegnum | eh, no, let me do ifconfig and see |
| 14:49.48 | Rydekull | syntaxx: scp does not support it though, but sftp should |
| 14:49.55 | Rydekull | afidegnum: ip route |
| 14:50.13 | syntaxx | Rydekull, alright thanks |
| 14:50.24 | Rydekull | afidegnum: follow up question will be, can you ping your default gateway(router)? |
| 14:50.24 | afidegnum | grr. this matter is serious, even with ping.google.com I am told "unknown host google.com" |
| 14:50.39 | nsadmin | ok, ping 8.8.8.8 |
| 14:50.45 | Rydekull | afidegnum: follow up to that, will be, do you see any entries when you do, arp -an? |
| 14:50.54 | nsadmin | yep I get that |
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| 14:51.39 | Rydekull | afidegnum: so far, you have not provided any proof of having a working network connection at all. So, nameserver lookups wont work, so give up on that for now |
| 14:51.43 | afidegnum | ping 8.8.8.8 also comes with no output |
| 14:52.00 | DexterF | tremon: ah, yes, that's useful, thanks |
| 14:52.04 | afidegnum | ok, should I reinstall the server? |
| 14:52.13 | afidegnum | wait let me try the comamnd you given me |
| 14:52.16 | nsadmin | no, that's an extreme action |
| 14:52.26 | Rydekull | afidegnum: No, you should do what I told you from the point where I asked for your default router |
| 14:52.41 | nrdb | On a VM I had to change the MAC address of a network card.. now its known as eth1 not eth0 how can I fix this? |
| 14:52.55 | nsadmin | maybe a route -n is in order |
| 14:52.56 | DexterF | is a disk spin-up/down noted in syslogs soemwhere? (or can I make it do it?) |
| 14:53.05 | afidegnum | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:53.10 | valdyn | !z25 |
| 14:53.10 | dpkg | udev has the ability to statically rename Ethernet cards based on MAC address. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules, edit this file to change the mappings. To apply changes: "udevadm trigger" or reload the relevant driver module. See also <forcedeth mac>, <udev>. |
| 14:53.14 | valdyn | nrdb: ^^ |
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| 14:53.57 | afidegnum | doing arp -an brings no output, it falls in a new bash line |
| 14:54.25 | Rydekull | afidegnum: what does a ifconfig -a give you? |
| 14:55.06 | nsadmin | is it possible that the ssh in is on a separate port from your actual net? |
| 14:55.24 | nsadmin | like a remote console |
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| 14:55.56 | nsadmin | I would also like to see the ifconfig -a output |
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| 14:56.05 | Rydekull | nsadmin: 15:43 < afidegnum> hehe ... this is scary, otherwise, I won't be able to control it via SSH here |
| 14:56.19 | Rydekull | nsadmin: I'd say, he is controlling it via a remote console of some sort |
| 14:56.38 | nsadmin | Rydekull, that's the exact comment that caused me to consider an ssh console |
| 14:57.06 | afidegnum | ifconfig -a -> http://pastebin.com/7xHf4CBY |
| 14:57.19 | nsadmin | Rydekull, so it could be that his net has not yet been activated and this is a brand new install |
| 14:58.12 | afidegnum | yes, it's a brand new installation |
| 14:58.41 | nsadmin | look at vnet0:0, it's p-t-p itself |
| 14:58.49 | nsadmin | and trying to ping that address... |
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| 14:59.14 | valdyn | afidegnum: ask your hoster, not us, why youre not networked |
| 14:59.32 | nsadmin | ...fails. |
| 15:00.04 | nsadmin | yeah, right now you're in their hands and you need to talk to them |
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| 15:00.23 | valdyn | i suspect hes not networked by default an is supposed to enable that only when he's ready |
| 15:00.23 | Rydekull | afidegnum: http://www.dmehosting.com/index.php upper right corner |
| 15:00.24 | nsadmin | be polite; if you're frustrated now, just walk it off |
| 15:01.12 | afidegnum | hmm :( |
| 15:01.19 | nsadmin | valdyn, certainly he seems not networked now, for what reason we don't know right now. having said that, I think you're right |
| 15:01.21 | Rydekull | afidegnum: You, as they are stating, seem to have some problem with your network connection in general at your VPS, ask the guys in the live chat support |
| 15:01.41 | nsadmin | afidegnum, what happens when you cd ~ |
| 15:02.01 | afidegnum | they are not online, unless I open a ticket which will be answered on monday I believe |
| 15:02.14 | Rydekull | afidegnum: it says they are online for me atleast |
| 15:02.33 | nsadmin | afidegnum, what can you do until monday, then, to prepare the machine? |
| 15:02.57 | Rydekull | afidegnum: if you have nothing of importance on it yet, then, what you can do is a reinstall and see if it works then |
| 15:02.58 | afidegnum | I tried contacting them many times before coming to the channel, they say they are online later thee will be a message saying no adamin is available I need to open a ticket |
| 15:02.59 | nsadmin | the two of you use the same service? |
| 15:03.17 | Rydekull | nsadmin: no, I just looked it up |
| 15:03.51 | afidegnum | the reinstallation is done via the control panel, it takes less than 10 mins to have it back on a new OS |
| 15:04.33 | nsadmin | did you have net when you first installed? |
| 15:04.47 | Rydekull | afidegnum: Then, if you have nothing of importance, reinstall, check if you can do "ping google.com" as soon as it gets up and running |
| 15:04.53 | nsadmin | afidegnum, what can you do until monday, then, to prepare the machine? |
| 15:04.57 | nsadmin | afidegnum, what happens when you cd ~ |
| 15:05.18 | afidegnum | it moves to the ~ folder |
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| 15:05.27 | nsadmin | ok, what's in there? |
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| 15:05.45 | nsadmin | root's ~, yes? |
| 15:05.49 | afidegnum | total 0 |
| 15:05.54 | afidegnum | yes, |
| 15:05.57 | nsadmin | nothing? |
| 15:06.14 | nsadmin | what is the hosting company website? |
| 15:06.19 | Rydekull | nsadmin: isnt is easier to ask for the id output? :-) |
| 15:06.24 | Rydekull | it* |
| 15:06.39 | afidegnum | http://www.dmehosting.com/ |
| 15:07.00 | nsadmin | Rydekull I wanted to know if they dropped any "Hiya, hello, welcome" files in his home dir |
| 15:07.07 | afidegnum | ok, there is a detail I left out but I don't know if it matters |
| 15:07.18 | Rydekull | nsadmin: they generally dont modify files, they send emails if anything |
| 15:07.21 | afidegnum | at first the system was set for me on CentOS operating system |
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| 15:07.43 | nsadmin | ok, and then what, you asked for debian? |
| 15:07.51 | afidegnum | but I didn't like it, I wanted to use Debian, hence, I reinstall the system to use Debian OS via the control panel |
| 15:08.07 | Rydekull | afidegnum: did your network, work, when you had centos? |
| 15:08.35 | afidegnum | no, I ddn't want to run the centOS to see if anything is working there, as far as I don't want to use it beforehand. |
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| 15:09.06 | Rydekull | afidegnum: so you dont know if it worked when you had centos either |
| 15:09.15 | afidegnum | so I believe, by default, this should work. because I used the same procedure on a different VPS bos which perfectly worked |
| 15:09.21 | Arafangion | afidegnum: Odd you weren't even curious. |
| 15:09.25 | afidegnum | yes I don't know |
| 15:09.29 | Rydekull | afidegnum: well, I'd say, shoot a mail to support, do a reinstall(if you have nothing of importance to keep), and see what happens |
| 15:09.32 | afidegnum | Arafangion: lol |
| 15:09.51 | afidegnum | ok, let me painfully try again |
| 15:10.07 | nsadmin | afidegnum, what you -might- do (this is going to take some time), is reinstall the centos and see if you have net |
| 15:10.11 | Rydekull | afidegnum: make sure you send a mail to the support though, so that you get help as soon as possible |
| 15:10.42 | nsadmin | Steve Smith and Frank Gambale just can't be beat... |
| 15:11.04 | afidegnum | nsadmin: even if I reinstall the centos, I believe it will be installed with the default network config as debian was doing |
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| 15:12.00 | nsadmin | well it remains to be seen if you would have net then... having said all this, I don't know the centos commands to do the things we did to test |
| 15:12.15 | Rydekull | nsadmin: uh, more or less the same |
| 15:12.39 | Rydekull | nsadmin: actually, quite the same, since we used, dig, ping, resolv.conf... yeah |
| 15:12.57 | afidegnum | well, I would liketo try centos, but at centos channel on the past periods they guys there seems to be rude and not caring. |
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| 15:13.12 | afidegnum | because of that, I don't like to be there |
| 15:13.13 | nsadmin | I don't disbelieve that... at the same time, it might be an (extreme) way to see if there's just a problem in debian or the net just has not been activated yet... |
| 15:13.25 | nsadmin | and there is one more avenue we have not chased down |
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| 15:13.57 | afidegnum | ok |
| 15:14.01 | nsadmin | afidegnum, I think it was Rydekull that mentioned that this hosting company sends emails... |
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| 15:14.20 | nsadmin | have you received any emails from them? |
| 15:14.22 | afidegnum | yes, they do send emails, but only at business hours. |
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| 15:14.52 | nsadmin | have you received any emails from them? |
| 15:15.25 | nsadmin | you seem to be implying "no" but I want you to answer explicitly |
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| 15:15.57 | barra_home | hi :-) |
| 15:16.00 | afidegnum | by this time, their staffs will be enjoyng their week ends with their wifes and girlfriends. or be watching some Harry potter some where else :) |
| 15:16.02 | afidegnum | so far, I have not received a mail from there, so far as Ihaven't send one. but they do manually approved a payment 3 days ago in order to have this server active. |
| 15:16.02 | afidegnum | so I will now try sending them a mal |
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| 15:16.09 | barra_home | any idea what could have gone wrong here? http://pastebin.com/82sas9gC |
| 15:16.18 | nemysis | have now rsync_3.0.9-1_amd64.deb form local ~/debs Repository thanks jelly-home |
| 15:16.20 | afidegnum | ah, they have an IRC channel |
| 15:16.23 | afidegnum | i will try that |
| 15:16.34 | barra_home | somebody tries to build the not well known gui library guichan from source on a debian system |
| 15:16.40 | barra_home | sadly he runs into this error |
| 15:16.45 | nsadmin | did you order this vps from them after business hours? |
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| 15:17.18 | barra_home | it works fine on other linux distros and for other debian users |
| 15:17.20 | afidegnum | no, I order teh Vps on monday and they activated it on on wednesday |
| 15:17.23 | barra_home | could this be a gcc issue? |
| 15:17.39 | nsadmin | afidegnum, how did you find out they activated it? |
| 15:18.04 | nsadmin | how did you exchange information starting from when you ordered? |
| 15:18.05 | afidegnum | they sent me a mail with my VPS server account and control panel account including the root account details |
| 15:18.14 | nsadmin | a |
| 15:18.15 | afidegnum | that's what iam using now |
| 15:18.17 | nsadmin | HAAA |
| 15:18.29 | nsadmin | afidegnum, so... |
| 15:18.32 | nsadmin | they |
| 15:18.34 | nsadmin | DID |
| 15:18.40 | nsadmin | send you an email :P |
| 15:18.46 | afidegnum | yes, they did send an email |
| 15:18.50 | nsadmin | any more? |
| 15:18.54 | afidegnum | irc://irc.dmehosting.com |
| 15:19.01 | afidegnum | #support |
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| 15:19.40 | nsadmin | have they sent other emails on monday or tuesday? |
| 15:20.11 | nsadmin | the mail with the account details, was that sent when they activated the acct? or on monday? |
| 15:21.25 | afidegnum | they sent 2 mails one for the order receipt confirming I have succesfully paid my invoice, after the previous mail requesting for my verification details |
| 15:21.47 | nsadmin | ok |
| 15:21.48 | afidegnum | and finally they send me the last mail containing my serer details |
| 15:21.57 | afidegnum | that's was 3 days ago |
| 15:22.00 | nsadmin | and that mail was on wed? |
| 15:22.08 | afidegnum | I believe they might have an active support system |
| 15:22.20 | afidegnum | yes wednesday |
| 15:23.24 | afidegnum | ok, let me do the reinstallation again, and painfully send them a mail about the issue I might encounter |
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| 15:23.53 | afidegnum | ok, on the last note, the server has 4 CPU cores, and I was expecting to install a 64bit Debian OS |
| 15:24.08 | afidegnum | but thy only made provision for 32 bit. is that ok ? |
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| 15:24.44 | Rydekull | Are you asking if its ok that you got a 32-bit when wanting a 64-bit? |
| 15:24.54 | Rydekull | We cant possibly be the judge of that |
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| 15:25.50 | afidegnum | ok |
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| 15:27.51 | dvs | afidegnum: You can install a 64-bit kernel on a 32-bit system but if you want an all 64-bit system you pretty much have to reinstall everything. |
| 15:28.06 | afidegnum | ok |
| 15:29.23 | angelo | ciaoooooooooo |
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| 15:35.57 | DexterF | meh. set hdparm -S5 for couple disks (=25sec standby timeout) but the don't go to standby, even after minutes. iostat says nothing going on that keeps them from doing that. |
| 15:36.18 | DexterF | if I manually set standby with -y the go there and stay there. |
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| 15:36.25 | tvynr | I'm trying to install Debian Squeeze on a machine using an ECS NForce4M-A motherboard. Unfortunately, this mobo isn't recognizing my USB keyboard and neither is the install CD bootloader. So I'm looking at a lovely installer boot menu and can't get input to work. Anyone have any guesses how I can get the OS running? |
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| 15:37.00 | DexterF | tvynr: tried enabling "legacy usb support" in BIOS? |
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| 15:37.25 | DexterF | tvynr: lemme guess: cant enter bios b/c usb keyb isnt supported? :) |
| 15:37.36 | tvynr | DexterF: Correct. :-/ |
| 15:37.39 | tvynr | Strangely enough, everything worked fine last night and I don't think I've made any BIOS changes. |
| 15:38.25 | DexterF | tvynr: maybe bios battery gave out. no chance to pluck a ps2 keyb from another computer? |
| 15:38.35 | tvynr | Wishing I still had a PS/2 keyboard... |
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| 15:38.42 | abrotman | tvynr: try another USB keyboard? |
| 15:38.52 | abrotman | it's possible the device is dead? |
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| 15:39.04 | azm | hello |
| 15:39.10 | DexterF | well, actually all you need is a usb/ps2 converter, most usb keyb perfectly speak ps2. |
| 15:39.11 | tvynr | abrotman: Will do, but this one worked about eight hours ago. I've also tried various USB ports on the machine. |
| 15:39.21 | dant | Would someone help me with OpenVPN? I used http://vpsnoc.com/blog/how-to-install-openvpn-on-a-debianubuntu-vps-instantly/ to install and http://pastebin.com/rX6tKacM is my client config, but I get http://pastebin.com/eLaZCxY0 when I try and connect |
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| 15:40.02 | abrotman | dant: you might want to tell us which version of linux this is, etc .. which kernel and/or openvpn ? |
| 15:40.13 | dant | OpenVPN 2.2 |
| 15:40.20 | dant | Its 64 bit debian |
| 15:40.22 | dant | Latest one |
| 15:40.25 | tvynr | abrotman: Different keyboard, same result. :( |
| 15:40.42 | tvynr | abrotman, DexterF: Interestingly enough, num lock doesn't even respond. |
| 15:40.54 | tvynr | abrotman, DexterF: It's like the USB subsystem isn't even powered up. |
| 15:41.09 | DexterF | tvynr: then the keyboard or port are rather broken. try another usb port. |
| 15:41.12 | abrotman | tvynr: no usb/ps2 adapter either ? |
| 15:41.14 | dant | Try the keyboard with a different computer |
| 15:41.19 | abrotman | DexterF: two keyboards? |
| 15:41.41 | DexterF | tvynr: is it case front usb or an ATX field USB port at the back? |
| 15:41.42 | tvynr | DexterF, abrotman: Sadly, I have no adapter. But none of the four USB ports on the back of this box are responding. |
| 15:41.44 | abrotman | 'latest one' doesn't mean much |
| 15:41.53 | DexterF | hmmm |
| 15:41.59 | dant | abrotman: how can I check from command line? |
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| 15:42.00 | abrotman | tvynr: bestbuy sells (or used to) sell adapters! |
| 15:42.01 | tvynr | dant: Keyboard works with my laptop. |
| 15:42.04 | abrotman | !tell dant about version |
| 15:42.17 | dant | abrotman? |
| 15:42.20 | dant | What? |
| 15:42.24 | DexterF | tvynr: do you have a ps2 cable and a soldering iron...? not really kidding... |
| 15:42.33 | tvynr | abrotman: *nods* Seems like I need one. :-/ |
| 15:42.38 | abrotman | dant: see what the bot told you |
| 15:42.45 | tvynr | DexterF: I do not. Good idea, though. :-P |
| 15:42.48 | DexterF | tvynr: does the computer have front usb? |
| 15:42.54 | abrotman | tvynr: not a bad thing to have anyway .. i have usb->ps2 and ps2->usb .. just in case :) |
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| 15:43.30 | DexterF | I have a usb->ps2... *somewhere*... |
| 15:43.54 | tvynr | DexterF: Front USB ports are present but not behaving differently. |
| 15:44.06 | dant | abrotman: Linux version 2.6.32-5-amd64 (Debian 2.6.32-41) (ben@decadent.org.uk) (gcc version 4.3.5 (Debian 4.3.5-4) ) |
| 15:44.33 | DexterF | tvynr: odd! got anything else usb powered that would light up when plugged in? mp3 player or whatnot? |
| 15:44.34 | abrotman | tvynr: really, just try pulling the battery, leave the system unplugged for a few minutes, put the battery back in .. boot up, see what happens |
| 15:44.45 | tvynr | DexterF: The mouse does not light up. |
| 15:44.47 | abrotman | dant: i didn't say i would be able to help, but someone helping you will need that information |
| 15:44.52 | abrotman | dant: sorry, should have specified |
| 15:44.54 | DexterF | tvynr: tried powering down, unplug power cord for a minute? |
| 15:45.03 | tvynr | DexterF: Yep. |
| 15:45.08 | abrotman | tvynr: so wait, none of the USB devices work ? |
| 15:45.14 | tvynr | abrotman: Think the CMOS will put it in USB legacy mode? |
| 15:45.16 | DexterF | hosed chip, says I |
| 15:45.19 | afidegnum | ok, thanks a lot for giving me a hand. |
| 15:45.21 | abrotman | hosed something |
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| 15:45.34 | abrotman | tvynr: it's worth a shot .. |
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| 15:46.03 | afidegnum | nsadmin: abrotman thanks a lot, I will come back later |
| 15:46.03 | DexterF | tvynr: I guess you don't have a usb pci card around... |
| 15:46.19 | dant | So anyone know what's the deal with my OpenVPN? |
| 15:46.20 | DexterF | tvynr: or a multimeter to check the 5V pins? |
| 15:46.26 | nsadmin | afidegnum, get any results/progress? |
| 15:46.30 | tvynr | abrotman: The BIOS isn't powering up the USB subsystem pretty much at all. But I was able to navigate an ISOLINUX bootloader last night. |
| 15:46.39 | afidegnum | not yet, but I did the reinstallation |
| 15:46.41 | tvynr | DexterF: No multimeter handy, I don't think, no. |
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| 15:46.49 | tvynr | DexterF: Nor a USB card. |
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| 15:47.15 | nsadmin | afidegnum, still no net? |
| 15:47.16 | tvynr | abrotman, DexterF: Gonna try pulling the CMOS battery. Thanks for all of the ideas, gents. :) |
| 15:47.40 | DexterF | borken hardware on a saturday afternoon is about the worst that can happen.... |
| 15:47.49 | abrotman | tvynr: also, ##hardware may have more hints |
| 15:48.08 | DexterF | dant: don't mean to run you off, but is there no openvpn channel here...? |
| 15:48.09 | nsadmin | afidegnum, anyway, go back and read those emails (all of them, all words) and make sure you understand all info |
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| 15:48.15 | afidegnum | nsadmin: still no net, I sent a ticket, and tagged it urgent |
| 15:48.16 | nsadmin | make the tickie |
| 15:48.38 | afidegnum | so lets hope what they will say later |
| 15:48.42 | nsadmin | if you didn't reread those emails, it's not urgent |
| 15:48.46 | DexterF | dant: firewall allowing 1194 udp? |
| 15:49.09 | abrotman | dant: DexterF yes, #openvpn with about 150 people |
| 15:49.11 | nsadmin | make sure you're polite and upbeat |
| 15:49.16 | afidegnum | I rereat and I am told how to configure the server ns addres |
| 15:49.45 | afidegnum | but since there is no netflow, that's is another issue on it's own |
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| 15:50.11 | afidegnum | ok, battery down, I will come back late |
| 15:50.19 | nsadmin | you didn't tru centos... or did you? |
| 15:50.31 | afidegnum | no |
| 15:50.47 | nsadmin | ok |
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| 15:50.52 | nsadmin | good enuf |
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| 15:54.27 | injureddeer | someone know syslog-ng regexps a bit? |
| 15:54.44 | injureddeer | i try cache "Mar 17 16:51:10 honeypot psad:" this :\ |
| 15:55.14 | tvynr | abrotman, DexterF: Whoa! |
| 15:55.17 | abrotman | ? |
| 15:55.22 | abrotman | do i get a beer? |
| 15:55.23 | tvynr | abrotman, DexterF: CMOS battery pull did the job. |
| 15:55.32 | abrotman | beer me! |
| 15:55.37 | tvynr | abrotman: Is there a means by which I can convey one to you? |
| 15:55.47 | abrotman | tvynr: i'll be in DC in a few months? :) |
| 15:56.20 | abrotman | hehe .. just kidding .. glad it worked .. hopefully not indicative of a bigger issue .. you may need a new crc2032 ? |
| 15:57.09 | tvynr | abrotman: I doubt it was the battery dying -- the removal of the battery and subsequent BIOS reset fixed the problem. I'd be willing to bet I accidentally screwed the BIOS settings up last night. |
| 15:57.17 | abrotman | it's possible |
| 15:57.28 | tvynr | abrotman: If you have a bitcoin wallet, though, I'd gladly drop you a tip. ;) |
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| 15:58.13 | abrotman | i don't, sorry .. glad it worked though |
| 15:58.53 | tvynr | abrotman: Thanks again. ;) |
| 15:59.01 | tvynr | DexterF: Thanks for all the help. :) |
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| 16:00.43 | abrotman | tvynr: now is the time on sprockets when we dance :) |
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| 16:02.50 | Eninem | holy mother of god it is amphi |
| 16:02.50 | injureddeer | someone know syslog-ng regexps a bit? i try cache "Mar 17 16:51:10 honeypot psad:" this :\ |
| 16:03.46 | amphi | Eninem: why wouldn't it be? |
| 16:04.28 | Eninem | :D |
| 16:04.37 | Eninem | amphi is lengendary |
| 16:04.48 | Eninem | back from the old #algos crew |
| 16:05.00 | jelly-home | is he |
| 16:05.03 | Eninem | yes |
| 16:05.09 | abrotman | Eninem: do you have something related to Debian to talk about ? |
| 16:05.11 | Eninem | yes |
| 16:05.21 | abrotman | otherwise, use #debian-offtopic |
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| 16:10.18 | blami | when using makefile style sysv-init, should insserv -r'ed services stay removed from boot process (rcX.d dir) after package upgrade? |
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| 16:11.30 | blami | i'm experiencing problem with postgresql on one of our servers which has been enabled automatically after upgrade. Not sure if this is bug but it could impose security risk on production system. |
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| 16:12.21 | vlt | blami: What does “enabled” mean here? |
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| 16:13.26 | pom | Anyone know how I can grep for windows line endings? |
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| 16:16.46 | blami | vlt: simply running. Postgresql package was installed but immediately stopped and removed from boot process using insserv -r postgres. Now during upgrade the package was started and added again. I'm not sure if this is normal behavior (why?) or bug. |
| 16:18.30 | vlt | blami: I see. Thanks. |
| 16:18.36 | blami | vlt: imho there should be system-wide switch to tell dpkg/package postinstall scripts what they should/shouldnt do (not only that awkward "handbrake" mechanism with disabling services using their /etc/default file) |
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| 16:29.46 | cheako | !info djbdns |
| 16:30.15 | dpkg | djbdns: (a collection of Domain Name System tools), section net, is optional. Version: 1:1.05-8 (sid), Packaged size: 224 kB, Installed size: 840 kB |
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| 16:30.57 | cheako | Why oldstable and sid? !info dbndns |
| 16:31.04 | cheako | !info dbndns |
| 16:31.12 | dpkg | dbndns: (Debian fork of djbdns, a collection of Domain Name System tools), section net, is optional. Version: 1:1.05-8 (sid), Packaged size: 259 kB, Installed size: 936 kB |
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| 16:35.20 | themill | !dbugs 516394 |
| 16:35.23 | themill | cheako: ^^ |
| 16:35.25 | dpkg | #516394:C[djbdns] [security]: Rapid DNS Poisoning in dnscache (security patch); Sat, 21 Feb 2009 07:27:02 UTC [] |
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| 16:37.35 | nemysis | what is replaced this good obsolete documentation http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/index.en.html |
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| 16:38.27 | jelly-home | themill: that bug is silly and you are silly! |
| 16:38.30 | jelly-home | hides |
| 16:38.48 | themill | jelly-home: I'm not commenting on the bug; that bug is the reason it's not in squeeze though. |
| 16:38.51 | G__81 | Hi i have installed Debian Squeeze from CD1. It looks good. I want to move to wheezy. I have changed the sources.list but before that i would like to know whether should i add some sources to apt if i have to install some media players, video players like vlc, devel packages in Squeeze ? |
| 16:39.18 | cheako | Yup, thank you. I can handle things from here. |
| 16:39.57 | jelly-home | cheako: powerdns recursor and auth. servers aren't half bad either. Eat a lot of RAM tho. |
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| 16:40.41 | G__81 | can some one help me ? |
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| 16:44.54 | jetscreamer | !someone |
| 16:44.55 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
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| 16:45.19 | jetscreamer | !dmm |
| 16:45.20 | dpkg | [dmm] Debian Multimedia is a repository of unofficial packages maintained by Christian Marillat, not in Debian for patent-related reasons. For information on how to access, see http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm squeeze>. During 2010, this repository grew a non-free part, with all binary-only packages moved there; you may need to add " non-free" to your sources lines. See also <dmm mirrors>, <dmm list>. |
| 16:45.35 | Oniklus | you will never know if someone can help you unless you ask the question |
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| 16:45.56 | G__81 | jetscreamer: ok and if i have to run Debian on top of FBSD kernel whats that i got to do ? |
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| 16:46.01 | Oniklus | whether they will help you is the risk you'll have to take |
| 16:46.24 | jetscreamer | i don't think what kernel you run it on will matter but i do not know |
| 16:46.39 | Oniklus | G__81: you can a virtual machine |
| 16:46.44 | Oniklus | can run* |
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| 16:47.19 | martin_ | hi - searching for an old static-build of ffmpeg... |
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| 16:48.30 | jetscreamer | !debian archive |
| 16:48.31 | dpkg | Debian has archives of no-longer-supported releases at http://archive.debian.org/ . To use with <APT>, see http://www.debian.org/distrib/archive . For old versions of specific packages, ask me about <snapshot>. Old Debian <ISO> files are archived at http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/ |
| 16:49.10 | LightningIsMyNam | Hi there. I have a rather quick question - What's the integration status of gnome 3 and debian? Specifically: 1. Does GNOME 3 ship with debian 6 by default? (I think 2.3 does, checking though) 2. Does debian 6 ship with the packages required to run gnome3 (gtk3) software? |
| 16:49.25 | LightningIsMyNam | *meant 2.30 |
| 16:49.37 | jetscreamer | shrugs |
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| 16:51.13 | G__81_ | jetscreamer: i need to make some changes in FBSD Networking kernel subsystem and hence want to try it but unfortunately i am not able to get FBSD + GUI working so thought whether Debian would be a better option |
| 16:51.28 | jetscreamer | i know nothing of kernels |
| 16:51.34 | jetscreamer | well not much |
| 16:51.55 | jetscreamer | but nothing about the fbsd one |
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| 16:52.50 | jetscreamer | [11.46.39] <Oniklus> G__81: you can a virtual machine |
| 16:52.51 | jetscreamer | [11.46.43] <Oniklus> can run* |
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| 16:54.26 | G__81_ | jetscreamer: you mean run Debian + FBSD Kernel on a VM ? |
| 16:54.46 | jetscreamer | s/jetscreamer/Oniklus/ |
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| 16:55.30 | G__81_ | jetscreamer: oh ok that makes sense thanks for the suggestion |
| 16:55.48 | Oniklus | you want to run debian atop of fbsd? then you need to create a virtual machine for debian in fbsd |
| 16:56.20 | jetscreamer | i think he means run the fbsd kernel that's available in debian sources but i'm not sure |
| 16:56.30 | jetscreamer | knows nothing |
| 16:56.37 | G__81_ | Oniklus: my requirement is to run Debian on FBSD kernel |
| 16:56.51 | Oniklus | ah. I see |
| 16:56.54 | G__81_ | there is some debian FBSD Port |
| 16:57.07 | jetscreamer | apt-cache search kernel | grep -i bsd |
| 16:57.24 | Oniklus | then maybe you should search a bit on google. I have no experience with this |
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| 16:57.33 | G__81_ | Oniklus: Oh Ok |
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| 16:57.54 | cheako | jelly-home: We are just measuring varying degrease of BAD. I think your first comment about silly is absolutely correct. I'd like a better explanation for why it's not in stable, looks like the security team is just abusing there powers. There could even be a hackable-djbdns and I'd happily right now type "apt-get install hackable-djbdns" |
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| 16:59.21 | cheako | Debian should take a close look and adjust it's conduct to more reflect what the users want, rather then what the users should want. |
| 16:59.53 | jetscreamer | draws a political parallel and screams |
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| 17:02.03 | bin_bash | hello |
| 17:02.14 | bin_bash | I need to install gcc on my VPS which is running Debian6 |
| 17:02.17 | bin_bash | but apt-get install gcc |
| 17:02.21 | bin_bash | shows this Building dependency tree... Done |
| 17:02.21 | bin_bash | E: Unable to locate package gcc |
| 17:02.42 | cheako | !info gcc |
| 17:02.49 | dpkg | gcc: (GNU C compiler), section devel, is optional. Version: 4:4.6.2-4 (sid), Packaged size: 4 kB, Installed size: 41 kB |
| 17:02.57 | bin_bash | Yes, I know what it is |
| 17:03.02 | bin_bash | But the repository can't find it |
| 17:03.05 | cheako | ohh, no... was this the security team also? |
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| 17:03.52 | jetscreamer | it's 'probably' in that repo |
| 17:03.56 | jetscreamer | doens't know |
| 17:04.04 | jelly-home | cheako: really? Just backport and install the one in sid if you need it, that's what I did. |
| 17:04.05 | jetscreamer | doesn't even |
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| 17:04.19 | bin_bash | I tried to install build-essentials |
| 17:04.21 | bin_bash | it can't find that either |
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| 17:04.50 | jetscreamer | think there's no trailing s |
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| 17:04.58 | jetscreamer | just build-essential i 'think' |
| 17:05.03 | cheako | jelly-home: Yeah, I'm looking into that now. |
| 17:05.11 | jelly-home | !tell cheako about ssb |
| 17:05.12 | bin_bash | jetscreamer, yeah that's what I tried |
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| 17:05.21 | bin_bash | E: Unable to locate package build-essential |
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| 17:05.53 | jelly-home | bin_bash: if that message persists even after doing "aptitude update", your apt source configuration is broken |
| 17:06.19 | bin_bash | okay, i'm running aptitude update now |
| 17:06.31 | jelly-home | bin_bash: pastebin the contents of /etc/apt/sources.list if it still fails |
| 17:06.44 | bin_bash | ahh it works now |
| 17:06.49 | bin_bash | I didn't think of updating |
| 17:06.51 | bin_bash | it was a fresh install |
| 17:06.53 | bin_bash | derp |
| 17:06.55 | jetscreamer | \o/ |
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| 17:08.33 | bin_bash | thanks jelly-home I didn't even think of that -.- |
| 17:08.52 | jetscreamer | jelly is smarter than the average bear |
| 17:09.01 | bin_bash | hehe |
| 17:09.05 | bin_bash | I haven't used Debian in a while |
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| 17:22.23 | bin_bash | Does anyone know what the openssl development package is called? |
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| 17:23.01 | jelly-home | libssl-dev or something |
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| 17:23.13 | jelly-home | ,info libssl-dev |
| 17:23.14 | judd | Package libssl-dev (libdevel, optional) in squeeze/i386: SSL development libraries, header files and documentation. Version: 0.9.8o-4squeeze7; Size: 2107.2k; Installed: 5868k |
| 17:23.26 | cheako | yay! I had to build djbdns myself from sid sources. I didn't use apt-get source and I then had to fight to get daemontools installed. |
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| 17:23.40 | cheako | It's working now. |
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| 17:24.06 | jelly-home | \o/ |
| 17:24.46 | kresp0 | hi all |
| 17:25.14 | kresp0 | would be offtopic if I ask a question about woody + XFree86 ? |
| 17:25.24 | kresp0 | (yes i'm from the past!) |
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| 17:26.58 | jelly-home | are we having a call from 2003 |
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| 17:27.21 | jelly-home | kresp0: I can't think of any better place to ask that question |
| 17:27.34 | kresp0 | thanks jelly-home |
| 17:28.29 | kresp0 | I can launch XFree86 + icewm by executing "X" on one tty and DISPLAY=:0.0 icewm |
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| 17:28.39 | kresp0 | on another tty |
| 17:28.46 | kresp0 | but, |
| 17:29.31 | kresp0 | I've added this line to .xinitrc : |
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| 17:29.57 | kresp0 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:29.57 | bin_bash | ty |
| 17:29.58 | aPpYe | no one answering me in #kde ... does anyone know if there is a way to specify the network device that krfb listens on? krfb is the kde vnc server thing. |
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| 17:30.10 | valdyn | kresp0: why are you not using "startx" ? |
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| 17:30.33 | kresp0 | ... and when I try startx, it gave me this error: |
| 17:31.00 | valdyn | kresp0: echo "exec /usr/bin/X11/icewem" > ~/.xsession ; startx |
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| 17:31.07 | cheako | ok... packaging antheme-services. There has been no activity since Nov2011, but it looks like we are a go. |
| 17:31.20 | kresp0 | "floating point exception" |
| 17:31.37 | kresp0 | ty valdyn, i'll try that |
| 17:31.54 | nsadmin | "point sunk instead of floated"? |
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| 17:32.10 | cheako | So I'll just take the current pkg and git-alize it and then try to vendor-import the new LTSrelease. |
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| 17:33.18 | PsyCl0ne | Execuse me, could someone please help me choose if I should get the CD version of Debian or the DVD version. I am going to install this on a older AMD 64 computer with a 40GB HDD. I would only use this rig to host a minecraft server |
| 17:33.21 | nsadmin | git along lil gitalizer |
| 17:33.30 | kresp0 | ty valdyn! it works :D |
| 17:33.43 | diverdude | hmm when i do sudo i get undefined command. What is the debian way of acquiring root privs? |
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| 17:33.51 | nsadmin | PsyCl0ne can you boot from cd? |
| 17:33.52 | valdyn | PsyCl0ne: theres no difference, just use netinstall |
| 17:34.28 | valdyn | !tell diverdude -about installit |
| 17:34.28 | nsadmin | diverdude, sudu not installed by default |
| 17:34.29 | PsyCl0ne | Yes I can, I was actually gonna use a usb so it doesnt really matter. Also net install? ive never done one before |
| 17:34.58 | nsadmin | a netinstall pulls packages off the net |
| 17:35.05 | cheako | nsadmin: Yahhoo! |
| 17:35.05 | nsadmin | do you run a linux now? |
| 17:35.11 | kresp0 | btw valdyn, the machine is a psion m5x with 16Mb RAM (with 2 AA batteries it last 30 hours working) |
| 17:35.17 | kresp0 | psion 5mx |
| 17:35.18 | diverdude | valdyn: so how do i install sudo? |
| 17:35.29 | nsadmin | mountain dew! |
| 17:35.55 | kresp0 | diverdude, launch this as root: apt-get install sudo |
| 17:35.56 | PsyCl0ne | nsadmin: Yea I have ubuntu installed but I need something lighter on the system |
| 17:36.09 | nsadmin | diverdude, do you want sudo? |
| 17:36.12 | DaFU | Hi. Got some problems with a DDOS attack at my root server on prozess apache2 ... someone an idea how to fix this ? |
| 17:36.22 | nsadmin | PsyCl0ne, apt-get install pastebinit |
| 17:36.34 | diverdude | kresp0: but how do i launch that as root without the sudo program? |
| 17:36.36 | nsadmin | (yes, on your ubuntu) |
| 17:36.45 | kresp0 | diverdude, use the "su" command |
| 17:36.46 | valdyn | diverdude: su<enter><password><enter>apt-get install sudo<enter> |
| 17:36.49 | PsyCl0ne | nsadmin, what does it do? |
| 17:37.01 | nsadmin | gives you a handy pastebin command |
| 17:37.15 | PsyCl0ne | nsadmin, and what am I to do with pastebin? |
| 17:37.30 | PsyCl0ne | nsadmin, I only wish to try running debian lol |
| 17:37.36 | nsadmin | you show us your lspci -nn oputput |
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| 17:37.59 | valdyn | DaFU: you cant most common DoSes |
| 17:38.00 | PsyCl0ne | nsadmin, sorry. Ill get right on it. |
| 17:38.04 | nsadmin | understood. but, since you have a linux, it's handy |
| 17:38.05 | valdyn | DaFU: you cant fix most common DoSes |
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| 17:38.37 | DaFU | valdyn: so I have to wait till its over ? |
| 17:38.49 | kresp0 | DaFU: yes :( |
| 17:38.55 | valdyn | DaFU: no, you can ask your isp to filter |
| 17:39.04 | kresp0 | valdyn, but what to filter? |
| 17:39.09 | nsadmin | PsyCl0ne, if you do get pastebinit, then do... |
| 17:39.13 | kresp0 | that is the problem with DDOS |
| 17:39.15 | valdyn | kresp0: that is not obvious? |
| 17:39.26 | nsadmin | (lsmod ; lspci -nn) | pastebinit |
| 17:39.50 | kresp0 | valdyn, no. how to know what traffic is good? |
| 17:39.58 | nsadmin | then we'll go from ther |
| 17:40.09 | valdyn | kresp0: by looking at it |
| 17:40.21 | rozie | DaFU: what kind of ddos? |
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| 17:40.49 | nsadmin | and ubuntu is admittedly better at hardware detection and support, we'll steal from it for your debian |
| 17:40.55 | DaFU | rozie: seems to be a flooding of port 80 -> apache2 prozess |
| 17:40.59 | rozie | if it uses all the bandwidth there's not much you can do without your ISP help |
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| 17:41.32 | rozie | if it just kills apache - try to filter ddosing hosts on firewall |
| 17:41.48 | valdyn | DaFU: if youre paying for bandwidth, tell you isp to disconnect you, if youre not, ask them what they charge to filter |
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| 17:42.05 | diverdude | how do i see all available packages in the repo named something with "gpho" ? |
| 17:42.08 | kresp0 | valdyn: but what if the attack traffic is indistinguishable from good traffic? |
| 17:42.14 | DaFU | rozie: i hope they are using exploids ... so i just can filter out port 80 ^^ |
| 17:42.34 | valdyn | kresp0: then he will probably have paid his isp for a wasted effort |
| 17:42.41 | nsadmin | c4 does a nice exploid |
| 17:42.43 | DaFU | rozie: But how i can see ... there are more and more apache threats |
| 17:42.55 | rozie | well, if you filter out port 80, web server will be unavaliable |
| 17:43.05 | rozie | you can just stop apache as well |
| 17:43.06 | valdyn | rozie: to state the obvious |
| 17:43.16 | DaFU | rozie: No problem cause its a gaming server ;) |
| 17:43.21 | kresp0 | diverdude: apt-cache search gpho | grep gpho |
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| 17:44.21 | rozie | DaFU: well, it's not a solution for me, but yes, just stop apache if you can afford that |
| 17:44.36 | nsadmin | you obviously stating person you! |
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| 17:45.33 | nsadmin | does aptitude do all the searches of apt-cache search? |
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| 17:46.21 | valdyn | DaFU: its obviously easier to DoS an apache that is trying to respond, but just disconnecting apache does not fix the DoS, it just makes the effort to effectively DoS greater |
| 17:46.36 | nsadmin | PsyCl0ne, how's it goin in there? |
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| 17:48.18 | kresp0 | DaFU: try to find a pattern on the DDOS traffic. if you found any way to distinguish the normal and the ddos traffic, you may filter it |
| 17:48.56 | bin_bash | DaFU, have you tried using DDoS Deflate? |
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| 17:50.25 | PsyCl0ne | nsadmin, I cant get lspci to work. I think I might be using the pastebin command wrong... pastebinit lspci -nn output |
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| 17:50.46 | PsyCl0ne | I get : Unable to read from lspci as an output |
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| 17:53.38 | nsadmin | PsyCl0ne, I gave you a command that could work :) |
| 17:53.44 | nsadmin | (lsmod ; lspci -nn) | pastebinit |
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| 17:54.14 | nsadmin | | is how you get output of one program into input of another |
| 17:54.20 | PsyCl0ne | http://pastebin.com/mbDhfXab |
| 17:54.36 | PsyCl0ne | nsadmin, thank you |
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| 17:55.56 | nsadmin | PsyCl0ne, cat /proc/cpuinfo | pastebinit |
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| 17:55.59 | samantha-r- | is there a howto somewhere on setting up an http, non-socks, authenticated proxy that does NOT require an ssh tunnel? |
| 17:56.32 | PsyCl0ne | nsadmin, http://pastebin.com/pTLUCuGU |
| 17:56.50 | nsadmin | samantha-r-, your first step would be to choose a proxy that meets your requirements |
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| 17:57.26 | samantha-r- | nsadmin, suggestions on packages to look at? would squid work? what i want is to lock out unauthorized users, and have it not require an ssh tunnel. |
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| 17:58.25 | nsadmin | PsyCl0ne, do you have 64b athlon? |
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| 17:58.46 | PsyCl0ne | nsadmin, I think so |
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| 17:59.42 | nsadmin | ok, so if that's true you can choose i386 or amd64 for your userland |
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| 18:00.08 | nsadmin | make a good choice here, the only way to make the other choice is to reinstall |
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| 18:01.38 | PsyCl0ne | nsadmin, I was thinking that I should go for the amd64 package but I dont know if I could get by with using only the CD version or would I have to go for the full DVD setup |
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| 18:02.13 | PsyCl0ne | nsadmin, I also noticed that the dvd version is like 9 dvds in size... |
| 18:02.14 | nsadmin | you don't need either if you have a good net connection which is why I asked for your lspci |
| 18:02.33 | nsadmin | you don't need the dvds or the cds |
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| 18:03.27 | PsyCl0ne | nsadmin, so yes I have a gigabit connection on the server box, but how would I do a net install? |
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| 18:03.36 | nsadmin | I notice you have this: 02:00.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Broadcom Corporation NetXtreme BCM5751 Gigabit Ethernet PCI Express [14e4:1677] (rev 20) |
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| 18:04.19 | jelly-home | ,pciid 14e4:1677 |
| 18:04.20 | nsadmin | so, that is how you connect? |
| 18:04.20 | PsyCl0ne | nsadmin, ok I am slightly loosing where this conversation is going. |
| 18:04.20 | judd | [14e4:1677] is 'NetXtreme BCM5751 Gigabit Ethernet PCI Express' from 'Broadcom Corporation' with kernel module 'tg3' in squeeze. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=14e4:1677 |
| 18:04.31 | PsyCl0ne | nsadmin, correct |
| 18:04.35 | nsadmin | there's some prep work to do |
| 18:04.58 | nsadmin | the next thing is what do you want to save from your ubuntu install |
| 18:05.17 | PsyCl0ne | just a quick backup of my minecraft server |
| 18:05.26 | nsadmin | jelly-home, that thing need firmware? |
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| 18:05.41 | nsadmin | PsyCl0ne, is that in /home somewhere? |
| 18:05.50 | jelly-home | can't remember, let's say yes |
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| 18:06.29 | PsyCl0ne | nsadmin, its in /username/minecraft/ |
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| 18:06.46 | PsyCl0ne | nsadmin, /home/username/minecraft/** |
| 18:07.10 | nsadmin | so maybe you want to save everything in /home |
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| 18:08.24 | nsadmin | jelly-home, hmm. how would he get the firmware during install? |
| 18:08.37 | nsadmin | apt-offline? |
| 18:09.36 | nsadmin | PsyCl0ne, is your /home a separate partition? |
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| 18:10.05 | PsyCl0ne | I dont think so |
| 18:10.16 | PsyCl0ne | using a standard ubuntu install |
| 18:10.18 | philluminati | What's the name of the bot on this channel please? |
| 18:10.24 | nsadmin | ok, do you have unpartitioned space? |
| 18:10.26 | jelly-home | nsadmin: either /msg dpkg kmuto or /msg dpkg firmware images |
| 18:10.29 | philluminati | !nvidia |
| 18:10.30 | dpkg | http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers . Ask me about <nouveau> (no 3D support in Debian packages), <nvidia dkms> or <nvidia m-a>. For GPUs made before 2004, see <nvidia dkms-173xx> and <nvidia dkms-96xx> for legacy drivers. Installing directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia on irc.freenode.net. |
| 18:10.34 | philluminati | got it |
| 18:10.36 | PsyCl0ne | nsadmin, I dont think so |
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| 18:10.57 | nsadmin | that's going to make it difficult |
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| 18:11.28 | nsadmin | ok, so you're going to have to back up your /home or /home/username |
| 18:11.42 | PsyCl0ne | nsadmin, I actually just winscp'd into the rig an am copying the files over onto my windows computer |
| 18:11.43 | nsadmin | and you should do that nowish |
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| 18:12.16 | Rydekull | Hrm, anyone installed debian on a IBM Blade LS21, with a LSI Logic SAS adapter? It pops up using mptsas driver... but it doesnt find a disk to install at... |
| 18:12.45 | jelly-home | Rydekull: did you create an array from the LSI controller bios? |
| 18:13.07 | nsadmin | what would probably be better is if you use tar... do you have free space on the filesyhstem? |
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| 18:13.19 | Rydekull | jelly-home: Yeah, it was already VMware installed on it, so it is already installed, its just the debian installer that doesnt want to identify it |
| 18:13.36 | jelly-home | huh |
| 18:13.38 | Rydekull | jelly-home: err, with it, I mean, the disk |
| 18:13.39 | DexterF | when I run logger from console the entry is in /var/log/messages. run from a script I find it in /var/log/syslog. why? |
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| 18:14.13 | thinkerbell | what the best way to file share between debian box's |
| 18:14.26 | jelly-home | Rydekull: yeah. Dunno, have you tried using a different distro or installer with a different kernel? |
| 18:14.27 | Rydekull | thinkerbell: scp |
| 18:14.33 | DexterF | hm, actually its in v/l/m *and* /syslog, nvm |
| 18:14.36 | jelly-home | Rydekull: eg. /msg dpkg kmuto |
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| 18:14.56 | nsadmin | thinkerbell, there are lots of ways, you have to decide what' |
| 18:14.58 | nsadmin | is best |
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| 18:15.11 | Rydekull | jelly-home: will, look into that |
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| 18:15.58 | thinkerbell | speed and ease are my main criteria, I was gonna do giver, but when I installed it, its giving error about avahi, I guess I should just install it, but why didn't it do it automatically, the dependency didn't wasn't there |
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| 18:16.02 | GEEGEEGEE | m/sg nickserv identify gentooIsBetter321 |
| 18:16.11 | DexterF | thinkerbell: nfs, samba, rsync... if both hosts are firewalled nfs would require v4 over tcp so the ports are defined. quick and easy is a samba share |
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| 18:16.40 | DexterF | GEEGEEGEE: looks like it's change-all-passwords day! :D |
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| 18:17.13 | nsadmin | that's today?! I hate change-all-passwords day! |
| 18:17.17 | Rydekull | jelly-home: the annoying thing is... it shows up in dmesg, I even see its label, it just doesnt create some /dev/sda-device for it |
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| 18:18.03 | jelly-home | Rydekull: huh, can you pastebin the dmesg output? |
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| 18:18.45 | Rydekull | jelly-home: hrm, just need to figure out how I can pastebin it, but I'll figure out some way :-) |
| 18:19.11 | jelly-home | Rydekull: screenshot off the java console! |
| 18:19.14 | jelly-home | <g> |
| 18:19.17 | Rydekull | haha |
| 18:19.36 | nsadmin | PsyCl0ne, have you ever restored your game server state from doing that before? |
| 18:19.37 | jelly-home | I'm only half joking |
| 18:19.59 | PsyCl0ne | nsadmin, I just completed the copy. I dont really know what you mean... |
| 18:20.13 | Rydekull | argh, stupid things, I cant find the /-key |
| 18:20.16 | Rydekull | annoying :-D |
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| 18:20.58 | nsadmin | PsyCl0ne, in that case, df | pastebinit |
| 18:21.35 | PsyCl0ne | http://pastebin.com/ck0zkfCB |
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| 18:23.37 | nsadmin | ok, so you have one partition for everything and plenty of space. |
| 18:23.39 | nsadmin | so |
| 18:23.46 | nsadmin | here's what you're going to do... |
| 18:24.00 | thinkerbell | when using ssh, how do I specify username, ssh hostIP ... |
| 18:24.05 | nsadmin | first it might be a good idea to do du -s /home |
| 18:24.33 | nsadmin | thinkerbell user@host |
| 18:24.37 | PsyCl0ne | nsadmin, so just a heads up I am ssh'd into the rig right now but if need be I do have a monitor, keyboard readily available. |
| 18:24.41 | thinkerbell | nsadmin, thx |
| 18:24.52 | PsyCl0ne | nsadmin, what is that exactly? |
| 18:25.07 | nsadmin | that tells how much is used by /home |
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| 18:25.31 | PsyCl0ne | 117384 /home |
| 18:25.55 | nsadmin | so a little over 100 mb |
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| 18:27.06 | thinkerbell | scp somefile localhost: ... How do I specify a location on my local computer from the remote computer? |
| 18:27.41 | nsadmin | PsyCl0ne, what is your present whoami? |
| 18:28.09 | PsyCl0ne | nsadmin, my name |
| 18:28.14 | thinkerbell | oooooooooh The Lord is Great, SCP is faaaaaaaassssssst |
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| 18:28.33 | thinkerbell | Rydekull, Good call with scp, it is faasst |
| 18:28.42 | nsadmin | PsyCl0ne, ok, can you sudo basn |
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| 18:28.58 | PsyCl0ne | nsadmin, basn? |
| 18:29.06 | Rydekull | jelly-home: http://i.imgur.com/UxxS2.png |
| 18:29.08 | nsadmin | err bash |
| 18:29.25 | PsyCl0ne | nsadmin, ok |
| 18:29.28 | thinkerbell | I just did "scp somefile localhost:" and I have no idea where the file went |
| 18:29.46 | Rydekull | thinkerbell: to the homedir of the user |
| 18:29.55 | nsadmin | when you do whoami now, what do you get? |
| 18:30.08 | PsyCl0ne | root |
| 18:30.12 | nsadmin | good... |
| 18:30.23 | nsadmin | so now you're going to run this command: |
| 18:30.31 | thinkerbell | Rydekull, hmm, I don't see it |
| 18:30.35 | jelly-home | Rydekull: huh, something's gone wrong with the scsi disk device driver (sd_mod) |
| 18:31.10 | nsadmin | cd /home ; tar cfp /root/home.tar . |
| 18:31.47 | PsyCl0ne | done |
| 18:31.51 | Rydekull | thinkerbell: if you did, "scp somefile localhost:", you should be able to do "ls -la ~/somefile" |
| 18:32.03 | nsadmin | ok, now scp /root/home.tar to your win box |
| 18:32.03 | Rydekull | thinkerbell: however, why you would do scp to localhost, I dont get |
| 18:32.07 | jelly-home | Rydekull: an older or newer installer might help or act differently |
| 18:32.37 | Rydekull | jelly-home: aight, i'll just test a few different then |
| 18:32.52 | thinkerbell | Rydekull, well I did "ssh user@remoteIP", and the "scp somefile localhost:" |
| 18:33.05 | nsadmin | and that will take about as long as the other backup. |
| 18:33.11 | thinkerbell | Rydekull, I am trying to copy from remote host |
| 18:33.16 | nsadmin | Now we need to get the netinstall image |
| 18:33.18 | Rydekull | thinkerbell: well, the syntax for "remoteIP" is wrong, you are missing a : at the end |
| 18:33.43 | Rydekull | thinkerbell: oh wait, ssh |
| 18:33.44 | jelly-home | thinkerbell: scp -p user@remoteIP:/path/to/somefile . |
| 18:33.55 | Rydekull | thinkerbell: what jelly-home said |
| 18:33.56 | nsadmin | once home.tar is copied, I'll assume there is nothing else you want from that machine... if that;s not true, say so now |
| 18:34.00 | Rydekull | was too busy eating pizza |
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| 18:34.24 | thinkerbell | Rydekull, it worked fine, I logged on the remote machine, and I was in the directory |
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| 18:34.51 | PsyCl0ne_ | sorry my irc client crashed |
| 18:34.57 | Rydekull | thinkerbell: scp syntax: If file: "scp remote-username@remotehost:/path/to/file /where/you/want/it/copied", if Dir: scp -r <same syntax> |
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| 18:35.13 | PsyCl0ne_ | nsadmin, I actually dont know how to scp without a gui... |
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| 18:35.49 | Rydekull | thinkerbell: But, if you ssh to another machine, and say "scp somefile localhost:" it will copy the file, from that machine, to itself, the remote host believe that "localhost" is its own |
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| 18:36.35 | thinkerbell | Rydekull, ok, get it, so instead of local host, I just put /home/my-local-username/and-wherever-I-chose |
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| 18:36.53 | PsyCl0ne | nsadmin, I actually dont know how to scp without a gui... |
| 18:36.55 | nsadmin | do you do it from windows or from linux? |
| 18:37.00 | jhutchins_lt | likes rsync instead of scp |
| 18:37.14 | Rydekull | thinkerbell: Stand on the computer where you want the file, do: scp remote-username@remotehost:/path/to/file /where/you/want/it/copied |
| 18:37.29 | PsyCl0ne | nsadmin, I am on windows |
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| 18:37.40 | food1 | i wonder where i can report a regression for debian testing for alsa-tools. I upgraded to 1.0.25 and it broke my sound. Who should i give it to? Debian or alsa? |
| 18:37.41 | PsyCl0ne | nsadmin, its what I am most familiar with |
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| 18:38.39 | nsadmin | ok... then go over to the ubuntu box and do cp /root/home.tar /home/username/ |
| 18:38.55 | thinkerbell | Rydekull, ok so don't ssh first. Would be better if I could ssh first though, but lets see |
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| 18:39.29 | Rydekull | thinkerbell: well, you can if you want too, but its not necessary. However, you can do it the other way around |
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| 18:40.06 | thinkerbell | Rydekull, what is the syntax to copy files after I have ssh over? |
| 18:40.11 | Rydekull | thinkerbell: login to the remote host: do: scp /path/to/file username@the-computer-you-want-to-upload-the-file-too:/where/you/want/it/copied |
| 18:40.20 | thinkerbell | scp is only going at about 125kb/s |
| 18:40.28 | PsyCl0ne | nsadmin, sorry for being a pain. Its done now |
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| 18:40.39 | thinkerbell | Rydekull, got it, thanks |
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| 18:40.53 | thinkerbell | Rydekull, I am thinking of installing ftp server, maybe its faster than scp |
| 18:41.12 | nsadmin | ok, now go to your windows, scp like usual, you want just the file home.tar |
| 18:41.23 | PsyCl0ne | done |
| 18:41.39 | Rydekull | thinkerbell: in theory, it is faster, but also less secure and much more of a pain if you have firewalls etc |
| 18:41.45 | nsadmin | so the file home.tar is on your windows machine? |
| 18:41.55 | PsyCl0ne | correct |
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| 18:42.01 | nsadmin | it's about 100 mb |
| 18:42.12 | thinkerbell | Rydekull, do you know how to browse for near by computers? |
| 18:42.13 | PsyCl0ne | nsadmin, correct |
| 18:42.24 | Rydekull | thinkerbell: ssh is a better protocol in general. But, the speed of SSH is often quick, but just as ftp reliable on your connection not having any limitations |
| 18:42.36 | nsadmin | ok, good. at this point, is there anything else you want to save from the ubuntu box? |
| 18:42.55 | nsadmin | oh, and I have a question... what brings you to linux? |
| 18:42.57 | PsyCl0ne | nope. I only had one thing to do with this box. and its like double backed up |
| 18:43.06 | Rydekull | thinkerbell: you need to be a bit more precise on what you want to achieve :-) |
| 18:43.06 | thinkerbell | Rydekull, its an old hub I am using, I am sure if I had a newer one it would be much faster |
| 18:43.17 | Rydekull | ... hub? |
| 18:43.22 | Rydekull | sorry... but... :-D |
| 18:44.07 | nsadmin | PsyCl0ne, oh, and I have a question... what brings you to linux? |
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| 18:45.00 | thinkerbell | yeah I know it is over ten years old, its all I have. But say I have two computers, both getting ip from same dhcp server, with out loggin into eac computer, is there a way I can scan from one computer all other computer getting ips from the same dhcp server, or just scan for computer that are not too many hops away |
| 18:45.07 | PsyCl0ne | nsadmin, I have tried to get to linux for a while. Just time and necessity and yea. I actually just recently landed a job as a system admin, and although I am extremely comfortable with windows its just another reason to move on to something more stable that doesn't need state of the art hardware to run. Also some of the things that can be accomplished on linux is amazing |
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| 18:45.42 | nsadmin | ok, cool. |
| 18:46.00 | nsadmin | as a sysadmin you have seen the issue of shared resources |
| 18:46.07 | Rydekull | thinkerbell: well, I dont know how your network looks like, but, arp -an |
| 18:46.16 | floh` | hi |
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| 18:47.00 | floh` | i might want to recover my grub2, because i will move the partition grub resides on. |
| 18:47.21 | nsadmin | like a printer that a bunch of users would use, would be an example of that... the basic deal as a sysadmin is to let the users do whatever except anything that would change the settings on the printer or the print server |
| 18:47.26 | PsyCl0ne | nsadmin, yea I actually have an identical rig to what I am working on that I would like to eventually try load sharing but im in a little over my head |
| 18:47.32 | nsadmin | so that users can keep printing, etc |
| 18:47.33 | floh` | first will i need to recover grub, or is the stage1 (or whatever lives in the MBR) smart enough to find the rest of grub, even if its location changed? |
| 18:47.35 | Rydekull | PsyCl0ne: Just, a small note, even though Linux doesnt require state of the art hardware to run, it does run better at it, just like windows. The way you put it makes it sound like a lesser alternative to windows. |
| 18:47.41 | thinkerbell | Rydekull, arp -an gave me the net mast, so now I guess I can just go pinging? |
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| 18:48.07 | PsyCl0ne | rydekull, no not at all. I am sorry if that is how it came out sounding |
| 18:48.12 | floh` | and second: how would i do that? i will be able to chroot into my debian system |
| 18:48.16 | nsadmin | anyway. you prepared to burn a cd? |
| 18:48.24 | Rydekull | PsyCl0ne: Just saying :-) Dont worry, noone is offended |
| 18:48.45 | PsyCl0ne | nsadmin, I kinda need an image first |
| 18:48.51 | Rydekull | thinkerbell: it should have given you a list of mac-addresses and some IPs to that |
| 18:49.00 | nsadmin | yeah, and now we find that image |
| 18:49.05 | nsadmin | !netinst |
| 18:49.06 | dpkg | [netinst] a small CD image with which you can install Debian. If, during the installation process you have a working Internet connection, you can install more packages straight away, otherwise, you will have a base install and more packages later. See http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ See also <various cd1>, <check iso image>, <dialup install>, <usb install>, <installer>. |
| 18:49.12 | Rydekull | thinkerbell: else, I'd personally just use nmap to scan my subnet or tcpdump to listen on the network, who sends what |
| 18:49.15 | thinkerbell | Linux is a superior operating system. Windows is for business people, who aren't tech savvy I just need to type docs and reports. Unix computers are for high tech people who require power computing, like shell commands, scripts and compilers |
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| 18:49.46 | nsadmin | so I guess you can talk on the windows box here, while you install on your other box |
| 18:49.55 | nsadmin | how large is that hd? |
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| 18:50.20 | PsyCl0ne | nsadmin, its a 40 I believe or atleast a 20gb |
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| 18:50.30 | nsadmin | oh ok |
| 18:51.02 | food1 | floh: ubuntu have excellet grub 2 docs https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2 |
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| 18:51.40 | food1 | there are couple methds of rescuing grub |
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| 18:51.43 | nsadmin | if you get a larger drive later, I'd probably recommend lvm |
| 18:52.13 | PsyCl0ne_ | nsadmin, sorry my irc client keeps cutting out |
| 18:52.14 | floh` | whatever is the topic: DO use lvm. i'm just repartitioning and it's a pain in the ass. |
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| 18:52.49 | vlt | floh`++ |
| 18:53.20 | nsadmin | ok, one sec |
| 18:54.25 | nsadmin | PsyCl0ne_. this is a good image for you I think http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.4/amd64/iso-cd/debian-6.0.4-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 18:54.27 | food1 | floh: here is a http://sourceforge.net/projects/bootinfoscript/files/latest/download to see what is in that mbr |
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| 18:54.57 | PsyCl0ne_ | nsadmin, so is this no longer going to be a net install? |
| 18:55.23 | PsyCl0ne_ | nsadmin, or is that what I am going to point net install towards? |
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| 18:55.29 | philluminati | !nvidia |
| 18:55.30 | dpkg | http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers . Ask me about <nouveau> (no 3D support in Debian packages), <nvidia dkms> or <nvidia m-a>. For GPUs made before 2004, see <nvidia dkms-173xx> and <nvidia dkms-96xx> for legacy drivers. Installing directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia on irc.freenode.net. |
| 18:55.38 | nsadmin | that is the netinstall image |
| 18:55.43 | philluminati | msg dpkg nvidia dkms |
| 18:56.05 | nsadmin | so you get that image which is an iso, and burn it onto a cd |
| 18:56.08 | nsadmin | then boot |
| 18:56.26 | PsyCl0ne_ | nsadmin, ok |
| 18:57.12 | floh` | will grub-install /dev/sda automatically find out whether /boot is on /, or mounted from a different partiton? |
| 18:57.18 | Thomark | do debian supports grsecurity+pax by default in the kernel? |
| 18:57.27 | jelly-home | Thomark: no. |
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| 18:57.37 | floh` | and will grub-install somehow touch my existing /boot partition (the kernels located on it, config etc)? |
| 18:57.39 | food1 | no grub-install /dev/sda will install it to the mbr |
| 18:57.40 | Thomark | tnx jelly-home |
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| 18:58.09 | nsadmin | PsyCl0ne_, so this thing will be a game server, and not remote? |
| 18:58.11 | nsadmin | ? |
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| 18:58.34 | jelly-home | Thomark: there are no grsecurity patched kernels in Debian at all, you'll have to build it yourself or find a different source. |
| 18:58.51 | Thomark | ic thanks again jelly-home |
| 18:58.53 | food1 | you have to mount the partition that you wanted to boot btw: before i make any mistakes do you want to grub to be installed in a partition or mbr? |
| 18:59.32 | floh` | food1: "onto the disk", i assume this means into the mbr |
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| 19:00.14 | PsyCl0ne_ | nsadmin, It will be a game server but wouldnt remote access be a benefit? |
| 19:00.33 | floh` | my system has grub in the MBR, /boot on sda5 and / in a lvm. i want to repartition so that the /boot-partition is deleted and recreated somewhere else. (still sda5) |
| 19:00.41 | PsyCl0ne_ | nsadmin, it will be mostly inner network and possible 1-2 externals connecting |
| 19:00.42 | nsadmin | oh, I mean that this machine would be in your house |
| 19:01.02 | PsyCl0ne_ | nsadmin, yea its sitting like 2 feet from me |
| 19:01.26 | nsadmin | you can certainly make it internet-facing or forward ports to it |
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| 19:01.36 | nsadmin | and therefore allow others to connect |
| 19:01.52 | nsadmin | but I;m getting ahead of myself... |
| 19:02.10 | nsadmin | there's reference docs you should have now, the |
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| 19:02.14 | nsadmin | !ig |
| 19:02.14 | dpkg | The Installation Guide for Debian Squeeze (6.0) can be found at http://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/installmanual . See also <errata> <firmware images> <installer firmware> <release notes>. |
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| 19:03.31 | food1 | floh: i am not experienced at moving partitions but this may help https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CreateBootPartitionAfterInstall srry i cannot be anymore of a service |
| 19:03.56 | nsadmin | you should look thru that, it has a lot of the ways to install debian all in one doc (so it's outliney) and there is a section for net installs |
| 19:04.04 | philluminati | How do I reconfigure / redetect monitor / display config in X11 please? (I have the nvidia driver) |
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| 19:06.08 | philluminati | My monitor only works in 640x480 at the moment. nvidia-settings won't show up anything else |
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| 19:09.50 | nsadmin | PsyCl0ne_, hows it goin |
| 19:10.31 | foxtrot9 | does this page appy for setting up a Raid 1 mirror on debian? http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/SataRaid |
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| 19:14.50 | food1 | floh |
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| 19:15.11 | philluminati | !nvidia |
| 19:15.11 | dpkg | http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers . Ask me about <nouveau> (no 3D support in Debian packages), <nvidia dkms> or <nvidia m-a>. For GPUs made before 2004, see <nvidia dkms-173xx> and <nvidia dkms-96xx> for legacy drivers. Installing directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia on irc.freenode.net. |
| 19:15.17 | food1 | i keep fogetting this is not a browser and crtl+f does not doing anything |
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| 19:16.43 | food1 | philluminati one question? what type of hw do you have? |
| 19:16.45 | thinkerbell | philluminati, I had that issue, then I install some firmware package and did a reboot, and it was fixed, let me check my notes, I'll tell you the firmware package name, but it might even just be the reboot |
| 19:17.39 | thinkerbell | philluminati, firmware-linux-non-free |
| 19:17.53 | dvs | firmware-linux-nonfree |
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| 19:22.31 | Rydekull | jelly-home: stable worked fine btw, I was using testing earlier, tried unstable, then stable |
| 19:22.52 | Rydekull | jelly-home: so, something seems to be changed somewhere |
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| 19:24.08 | Rydekull | on the plus side, I have now added all flavours to my pxe-boot |
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| 19:24.18 | Vasistha | using icedove, I would like to use CLI to open a new message window. I can specify to='test@test.com' or subject='this is the message subject' but if I specify both, it doesn't work properly. Any ideas? |
| 19:24.35 | philluminati | Sorry to disturb. The !nvidia guide says to execute a command called nvidia-kernel-dkms. I'm pretty sure I did that the last time I upgraded my kernel but now it has gone missing... |
| 19:24.37 | Sazpaimon | I see the occasional package with a plus or a tilde in it |
| 19:24.39 | jelly-home | Rydekull: testing installer images are known to be broken, they are to be used for... testing the installer |
| 19:24.41 | philluminati | the package is installed |
| 19:24.43 | Sazpaimon | what do those usually indicate |
| 19:24.47 | philluminati | according to aptitude |
| 19:24.48 | jelly-home | Rydekull: rather than installing testing |
| 19:25.02 | Rydekull | jelly-home: yeah, I know |
| 19:25.07 | Sazpaimon | I know it's normally [upstream version]-[debian_version] |
| 19:25.08 | Rydekull | jelly-home: But they usually work fine for me |
| 19:25.23 | dvs | philluminati: look at your past log |
| 19:26.02 | Sazpaimon | but occasionally I see something from backports with ~bpo50 or something on it, or +debian-1 |
| 19:26.17 | Sazpaimon | what does the tilde and plus indicate for a package version |
| 19:26.32 | philluminati | looking now.. |
| 19:26.33 | Vasistha | Sazpaimon: hmm you say "occasional"; I have 946 packages with such names |
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| 19:27.23 | Sazpaimon | Vasistha, you must use backports a lot |
| 19:27.46 | Vasistha | Sazpaimon: no, there are a lot of regular squeeze packages with such names, e.g. /var/cache/apt/archives/x11-common_1:7.5+8+squeeze1_all.deb |
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| 19:28.01 | jelly-home | Sazpaimon: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-controlfields.html#s-f-Version |
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| 19:28.26 | Sazpaimon | jelly-home, yes I read that |
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| 19:29.17 | Sazpaimon | it really only talks about debian_revision as an incrementing number |
| 19:29.35 | jelly-home | "It may contain only alphanumerics and the characters + . ~ (plus, full stop, tilde) and is compared in the same way as the upstream_version is" |
| 19:29.40 | Sazpaimon | though it does say + and ~ can be used, it doesnt really specify wfor what purpose |
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| 19:30.33 | jelly-home | the algorithm is described below, starting from "The strings are compared from left to right." |
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| 19:30.50 | jelly-home | + basically is just a delimiter like . |
| 19:31.10 | Shinobi_ | If I have apcupsd installed what takes precidence, apcupsd or the power preferences in the upper right corner? |
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| 19:31.26 | Sazpaimon | so its mostly to bump up a debian package without bumping the numerical debian package revision |
| 19:32.05 | jelly-home | Sazpaimon: ~ is a bit special, used to denote versions lower than something. Eg. 1.0~rc1 < 1.0~rc2 < 1.0 < 1.1~alpha < 1.1 < 2 |
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| 19:32.36 | Sazpaimon | ah |
| 19:32.41 | DRUGO | ciao a tutti |
| 19:32.41 | DRUGO | !list |
| 19:32.41 | dpkg | drugo: È possibile di scaricare un sacco di software libero puntando il tuo browser a http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-6.0.4-amd64-i386-netinst.iso ! |
| 19:33.05 | nsadmin | DRUGO, get lots of software at www.debian.org |
| 19:33.20 | jelly-home | yay nsadmin, you can read Italian!! |
| 19:33.32 | nsadmin | I can read !list |
| 19:33.38 | Rydekull | You sure? |
| 19:33.51 | jelly-home | nsadmin: you just repeated what dpkg said |
| 19:33.52 | Sazpaimon | it doesnt help explain "x11-common_1:7.5+8+squeeze1_all.deb" |
| 19:33.53 | nsadmin | yep :) |
| 19:34.00 | Sazpaimon | there's no dash in there |
| 19:34.07 | vlt | OT: Why did dpkg answer DRUGO in Italian? |
| 19:34.12 | Sazpaimon | and it says the format is "[epoch:]upstream_version[-debian_revision]" |
| 19:34.22 | nsadmin | oh cool :) it offers a netinstall :) |
| 19:34.34 | Sazpaimon | vlt, because he said "ciao" |
| 19:34.43 | Sazpaimon | which seems to be a common trend in IRC nowadays |
| 19:34.49 | jelly-home | Sazpaimon: correct. there's an epoch "1" and an upstream_version of "7.5+8+squeeze1" |
| 19:34.55 | Sazpaimon | itlians saying ciao and then !list |
| 19:34.58 | Sazpaimon | *italians |
| 19:35.09 | jelly-home | Sazpaimon: this is a Debian native package, there is no other upstream than Debian. |
| 19:35.24 | Sazpaimon | ah that's right |
| 19:35.47 | vlt | Hei! |
| 19:35.50 | vlt | !list |
| 19:35.51 | dpkg | VATTENE VIA! |
| 19:35.59 | jelly-home | !pal vlt |
| 19:35.59 | dpkg | points at vlt and laughs |
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| 19:36.47 | vlt | Sláinte! |
| 19:36.49 | vlt | !list |
| 19:36.50 | dpkg | VATTENE VIA! |
| 19:36.53 | vlt | :-) |
| 19:37.15 | nsadmin | let's see... |
| 19:37.17 | nsadmin | !list |
| 19:37.18 | dpkg | nsadmin: Debian è un sistema operativo composto di software libero non quella gratis. Vedi http://www.debian.org/intro/free.it.html per sapere di più. |
| 19:37.29 | jelly-home | vlt: you can use "/msg dpkg list" to play with the bot in private |
| 19:37.41 | Sazpaimon | Reason I'm trying to understand it better is because over at maemo, they try to adhere to debian and ubuntu packaging, whereby you take the upstream and debian version, and append something like maemo1 after, but I see a lot of packages like 1.0-1maemo1+m5 |
| 19:37.55 | Sazpaimon | but this isn't #maemo so I guess you dont have to answer that |
| 19:38.09 | jelly-home | Sazpaimon: so the debian_revision bit is 1maemo1+m5 |
| 19:38.21 | iridos | vlt, it's a cultural thing... there's always an italian coming in, saying ciao and then list... nobody found out why they do it, though... just like religion |
| 19:38.35 | Sazpaimon | iridos, yeah it happen |
| 19:38.40 | Sazpaimon | s on multiple networks |
| 19:38.52 | Sazpaimon | ive seen it happen all over IRC in recent months |
| 19:38.55 | jelly-home | vlt: here's how it works, try: /msg dpkg literal list |
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| 19:39.30 | Sazpaimon | anyway my guess is that the +m5 is more or less like metadata to tell users that the package is made for maemo 5 |
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| 19:39.45 | jelly-home | only they know what it means |
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| 19:40.13 | nsadmin | until they tell someone! |
| 19:40.16 | Sazpaimon | right |
| 19:40.29 | iridos | but then they have to kill that someone |
| 19:40.39 | vlt | iridos: Hehe! |
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| 19:40.52 | Sazpaimon | this is the point where dpkg tells me about maemo because im cluttering up the channel |
| 19:40.55 | Sazpaimon | !maemo |
| 19:40.55 | dpkg | Maemo is a development platform to create applications for the Nokia 770 Internet Tablet and other maemo compliant handheld devices. http://maemo.org/ #maemo on irc.freenode.net. |
| 19:41.29 | PsyCl0ne | nsadmin, are you still around? |
| 19:41.31 | Sazpaimon | ah i forget how dpkg works again |
| 19:41.34 | kevlarman | well this is interesting |
| 19:41.34 | nsadmin | is maemo android? |
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| 19:41.44 | kevlarman | i appear to have uninstalled apt-get and dpkg |
| 19:41.49 | Sazpaimon | oh i just lagged out |
| 19:41.53 | nsadmin | PsyCl0ne, how';s it going |
| 19:41.56 | PsyCl0ne | nsadmin, no maemo is I believe nokias "OS" |
| 19:42.16 | kevlarman | i suppose i should just untar dpkg on my /, then install apt-get with it? |
| 19:42.56 | iridos | nsadmin, no! maemo is maemo. maemo is also pretty much dead and replaced by meeeeeego (which uses effin rpm instead of dpkg and apt) |
| 19:43.38 | Sazpaimon | iridos, meego 1.2 harmattan uses apt/dpkg still |
| 19:43.51 | jelly-home | kevlarman: what is it exactly that you did? |
| 19:44.02 | nsadmin | because that toy story dpl guy caused that |
| 19:44.17 | kevlarman | jelly-home: good question |
| 19:44.46 | iridos | Sazpaimon, huh? But I'm rather sure maemo->meego meant a switch from deb->rpm ... mmh /j #debian-offtopic? |
| 19:44.57 | jelly-home | "drank too many beers last night" is an acceptable answer |
| 19:44.59 | kevlarman | jelly-home: where do dpkg/apt-get/aptitude keep their logs? |
| 19:45.07 | Sazpaimon | iridos, harmattan is more like maemo 6 with the meego API attached |
| 19:45.11 | jelly-home | kevlarman: mostly under /var/log |
| 19:45.36 | kevlarman | jelly-home: oh, i see what i did |
| 19:45.38 | kevlarman | pebkac |
| 19:45.46 | Sazpaimon | but yeah if you have any more questions i'll be happy to answer it in offtopic |
| 19:45.50 | kevlarman | booted the wrong OS >.< |
| 19:46.01 | kevlarman | (they have the same /home, so i didn't notice) |
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| 19:48.50 | nsadmin | PsyCl0ne, so what;s the latest |
| 19:50.21 | PsyCl0ne | nsadmin, sorry just waiting for it to detect disks |
| 19:50.38 | PsyCl0ne | nsadmin, i think it might have hung... |
| 19:50.43 | PsyCl0ne | oh never mind |
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| 19:51.47 | nsadmin | so if you have that install guide handy, |
| 19:51.53 | johnfg | hi guys |
| 19:52.34 | PsyCl0ne | nsadmin, so should I use the entire disk or should I also include a lvm? |
| 19:52.35 | johnfg | Major mess up in trying to install Linux Mint Debian edition with my grub. I'm running squeeze. |
| 19:52.40 | nsadmin | then you'll see that you have a lot of choices around filesystems, partitioning etc |
| 19:52.45 | PsyCl0ne | nsadmin, it is on a ide drive |
| 19:53.10 | nsadmin | do you want to learn lvm now(ish)? |
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| 19:53.50 | PsyCl0ne | nsadmin, would it be of any benefit? I was thinking that maybe having someting similar to a pagefile would be better. Is it? |
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| 19:54.17 | nsadmin | what's a page file? |
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| 19:54.58 | PsyCl0ne | nsamin, some what similar to a cache but I guess it is unimportant to have one... |
| 19:55.02 | omido | Hi.I'm newbie . where is the offtopic channel? I want to ask a favor from people overseas. |
| 19:55.15 | johnfg1 | I booted the squeeze dvd in rescue mode, and ran the reinstall grub menu, but it's not populated with anything. |
| 19:55.31 | nsadmin | I'm guessing that if you do lvm you could do either. |
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| 19:56.34 | johnfg1 | how do i get grub.cfg to recognize the os's? |
| 19:56.55 | nsadmin | One thing you could do is have a smallish /boot that's not in lvm and cover some or all of the rest of the drive with an lvm pv |
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| 19:57.18 | johnfg1 | It needs to recognize squeeze, winxp and lmde. |
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| 19:58.17 | nsadmin | PsyCl0ne, One thing you could do is have a smallish /boot that's not in lvm and cover some or all of the rest of the drive with an lvm pv |
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| 19:59.14 | nsadmin | johnfg1, I don't know what lmde is... and, update-grub can maybe find all those oses |
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| 19:59.43 | johnfg1 | nsadmin: It should, but it's complaining about osprober. |
| 20:00.04 | PsyCl0ne | nsadmin, kk I am looking into it. For having somewhat of a game server wouldnt just a default install work fine? |
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| 20:00.23 | nsadmin | PsyCl0ne, sure |
| 20:00.26 | johnfg1 | lmde=linux mint debian edition (it's a rolling release that I wanted to try, but it's causing me mucho grief) :_( |
| 20:00.29 | file-exists-p | is there a reason why AES is not in the loop.ko module of squeeze? |
| 20:00.42 | PsyCl0ne | nsadmin, but? |
| 20:01.06 | nsadmin | and, I will suggest you have a separate (and largish) partition for /home |
| 20:01.32 | nsadmin | which you can do with plain partitioning pr with lvm |
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| 20:02.13 | valdyn | file-exists-p: loop-aes is or was not in mainline kernels at that time, if thats your issue |
| 20:03.27 | nsadmin | one thing you'd get with lvm is the ability to resize vols |
| 20:04.17 | PsyCl0ne | yea, but nsadmin, youve already seen my home dir. its only a 100MB and thats with everything fully functional |
| 20:05.02 | nsadmin | will the game data increase as people play it? |
| 20:05.27 | PsyCl0ne | slightly but not that much |
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| 20:06.16 | johnfg1 | All I get when I reboot is a grub> prompt. |
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| 20:06.25 | johnfg1 | How do I manually load the kernel? |
| 20:06.43 | PsyCl0ne | nsadmin, hey will you be around later today? |
| 20:07.29 | nsadmin | maybe, and so will hundreds of others :) |
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| 20:07.42 | PsyCl0ne | nsadmin, quick pm? |
| 20:07.49 | nsadmin | sure |
| 20:08.00 | johnfg1 | I thought I'd try and give the commands right from the grub> prompt and see if I can boot. |
| 20:08.31 | nsadmin | johnfg1 tab key is your friend |
| 20:08.34 | johnfg1 | I'm running the latest kernel on squeeze 32 bit with all updates applied (except if there's any today) |
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| 20:09.11 | johnfg1 | nsadmin: Already tried: it doesn't list anything after I enter boot. |
| 20:10.00 | Vasistha | johnfg1: probably the first thing you need to do is assign a root device; also I'm fairly certain it is possible to request a menu be displayed if you can find that file |
| 20:10.44 | Vasistha | although ... this used to be so much easier before grub2 |
| 20:10.58 | valdyn | johnfg1: fixing this with a livecd is probably easier |
| 20:11.00 | johnfg1 | Vasistha: My root device as in /dev/sda3? Where / is? |
| 20:11.26 | Vasistha | johnfg1: yeah |
| 20:11.28 | johnfg1 | valdyn: So instead of the install dvd, download the livecd and then what? |
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| 20:11.59 | johnfg1 | Vasistha: what do you mean by, request a menu be displayed? |
| 20:12.02 | valdyn | johnfg1: ill try find instructions on google |
| 20:12.22 | johnfg1 | valdyn: Thanks, much! You too Vasistha! and nsadmin. |
| 20:12.50 | Vasistha | johnfg1: I don't remember the commands... and since grub2, we no longer have those menu.lst files ... but in grub1 you could point grub to a menu.lst file on any device and have it load that up |
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| 20:13.57 | i-rocks | Hi |
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| 20:14.35 | Vasistha | johnfg1: try this: set root=(hd0,2) |
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| 20:15.28 | Vasistha | johnfg1: oh you might need insmod ext2 and/or insmod part_msdos or something else |
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| 20:16.06 | johnfg1 | valdyn: I'm looking at the downloads. What's the name of the livecd for squeeze? |
| 20:16.13 | valdyn | this is odd, i cant find a howto for this, got to write one |
| 20:16.21 | valdyn | johnfg1: no, not that one |
| 20:16.25 | i-rocks | there is a channel about serveur dns on debian ? |
| 20:16.29 | valdyn | johnfg1: to fix systems you want to use grml |
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| 20:16.42 | valdyn | johnfg1: but thats useless before you know what to do |
| 20:16.43 | Vasistha | I once wiped my mbr while I was sitting in an airport with no internet access (well of course without being able to boot I certainly had no inet) ... fortunately I was able to remember enough grub1 kung-fu to get the system booted and restore it |
| 20:17.22 | Dunam | guys, i just got DDoSed a bunch of times, wondering how can i trace down to which port was it targeted at and what kind of a flood was it? |
| 20:17.28 | Dunam | which logs do i need to look at? |
| 20:17.35 | Dunam | i got csf running, seems it wasn't enough to block it |
| 20:17.37 | i-rocks | pleaze ? |
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| 20:18.12 | nsadmin | i-rocks, what do you want to know |
| 20:18.14 | Lint | i-rocks, I doubt such things use irc |
| 20:18.15 | Vasistha | i-rocks: hmm dunno, maybe you should ask here and see if anyone knows? |
| 20:18.30 | Lint | most likely you'll get some shitty mailing list |
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| 20:19.13 | Lint | what application I can use to view PS files? |
| 20:19.18 | zephir | hey guys |
| 20:19.19 | i-rocks | i'm try to install bind9 |
| 20:19.20 | zephir | i have debian 5 installed on my vserver and would like to install php5.3 on it. when i run apt-get install php5 all i get is php 5.2.6 |
| 20:19.24 | zephir | any idea how to fix this? |
| 20:19.35 | i-rocks | then it's return a error http://pastebin.com/HeEJ9dYY |
| 20:19.36 | johnfg1 | valdyn: what's grml? |
| 20:19.46 | i-rocks | do you have a trackt pleaze ? |
| 20:19.46 | nsadmin | i-rocks, that should be easy and problem free |
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| 20:20.06 | nsadmin | !bts |
| 20:20.06 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. See also <apt-listbugs>, <reportbug>. http://wiki.debian.org/HowtoUseBTS |
| 20:20.15 | Lint | zephir, look for a distro with new packages it compile it yourself |
| 20:20.19 | valdyn | johnfg1: an odd name for a live cd |
| 20:20.24 | nsadmin | that's the tracker |
| 20:20.38 | johnfg1 | valdyn: Where's it at? |
| 20:20.39 | zephir | Lint: I would love to avoid compiling it myself |
| 20:20.47 | zephir | found a good read |
| 20:20.50 | zephir | will try that |
| 20:21.23 | valdyn | johnfg1: grml.org |
| 20:21.29 | Dunam | no one? |
| 20:22.09 | valdyn | johnfg1: its just a livecd with plenty system tools. It's not useful without knowledge on how you want to do something |
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| 20:24.08 | johnfg1 | valdyn: Would you be able to give me the lines to enter at this grub> prompt to see if that will boot squeeze? It's at hd0,2. |
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| 20:24.31 | fdoving | i-rocks: try to read 'man rndc-confgen' |
| 20:24.42 | i-rocks | ok |
| 20:24.46 | valdyn | johnfg1: if I look at my grub.cfg, sure |
| 20:25.04 | johnfg1 | I did enter set root=(hd0,2), but get nothing at boot except that the kernel isn't loaded, and there isn't a load command. |
| 20:25.12 | i-rocks | i have try http://pastebin.com/MvTAMQ43 |
| 20:25.20 | johnfg1 | valdyn: if you'd paste it, great! |
| 20:25.26 | i-rocks | this |
| 20:25.27 | i-rocks | http://pastebin.com/wPVVS7Ji |
| 20:25.29 | i-rocks | sorry |
| 20:25.29 | PsyCl0ne | nsadmin, I am used to not using a gui but would having a gui have any benefit? |
| 20:25.43 | valdyn | johnfg1: no its not that simple, *my* grub.cfg is alot more complicated than yours |
| 20:26.09 | i-rocks | thanks |
| 20:26.17 | valdyn | johnfg1: set root='(hd0,2)' <enter> |
| 20:26.46 | valdyn | johnfg1: before that you might need to insmod part_msdos and insmod ext2 |
| 20:27.10 | johnfg1 | valdyn: with the single quotes? |
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| 20:27.22 | valdyn | johnfg1: yes |
| 20:27.38 | johnfg1 | valdyn: ok |
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| 20:28.22 | valdyn | johnfg1: "linux /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.32-5-amd64 root=/dev/sda2" ( without the quotes ) |
| 20:28.34 | valdyn | johnfg1: hmm, and not -amd64 but probably -686 for you |
| 20:28.45 | johnfg1 | valdyn: ok, except not 64, 32. |
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| 20:29.32 | johnfg1 | so vmlinuz-2.6.32-5-686? |
| 20:29.37 | valdyn | johnfg1: and finally "initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.32-5-686" |
| 20:29.41 | valdyn | johnfg1: I think so, yes |
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| 20:31.27 | johnfg1 | Hmm, must be a different name for the kernel, it's returning file not found. |
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| 20:32.07 | valdyn | judd: versions linux-image-2.6.32-5-686 |
| 20:32.08 | judd | Package: linux-image-2.6.32-5-686 on i386 -- squeeze-updates: 2.6.32-39; squeeze-security: 2.6.32-39squeeze1; squeeze: 2.6.32-41 |
| 20:32.14 | valdyn | judd: versions linux-image-2.6.32-6-686 |
| 20:32.15 | judd | No package named 'linux-image-2.6.32-6-686' was found in i386. |
| 20:32.24 | valdyn | johnfg1: thats the latest one in squeeze |
| 20:32.43 | nsadmin | PsyCl0ne, in the long run you should come to understand the command line interpreter |
| 20:32.47 | s70rm | and now 43 |
| 20:32.48 | s70rm | 3 |
| 20:32.49 | nsadmin | aka the shell |
| 20:32.58 | valdyn | johnfg1: grub2 might be able to autocomplete if you hit <tab> |
| 20:33.07 | johnfg1 | So what's the number? |
| 20:33.26 | valdyn | johnfg1: if you have a non-standard kernel, I can hardly know |
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| 20:33.39 | valdyn | johnfg1: if your / really is on a different device, i cant know either |
| 20:33.40 | johnfg1 | no standard. |
| 20:33.55 | johnfg1 | i.e., no; a standard kernel. |
| 20:34.15 | valdyn | johnfg1: is autocomplete not working? |
| 20:34.16 | nsadmin | in the short run (that is, while you're learning the command line stuff) gui things can be helpful sometimes |
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| 20:34.28 | PsyCl0ne | nsadmin, thank you |
| 20:34.53 | nsadmin | having said that, |
| 20:35.13 | nsadmin | running the x window system server will take up some cpu |
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| 20:35.40 | valdyn | but the command line is *faster* in X ;) |
| 20:36.16 | nsadmin | you mean for example x term is faster than the virtual consoles? |
| 20:36.28 | valdyn | nsadmin: yea, an order of magnitude |
| 20:37.14 | nsadmin | perhaps it's time to revisit the virtual consoles and recode them if they're that bad |
| 20:37.42 | nsadmin | but the programs that run in the vcs don't slow down because they're started there? |
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| 20:38.04 | valdyn | nsadmin: if they are not text intense, no |
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| 20:38.42 | foxtrot9 | will apt-get -t squeeze-backports upgrade, update all the backports on your debian system? |
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| 20:38.53 | valdyn | dmesg is here 150ms in vc and 100ms in X, thats a bad example |
| 20:39.20 | nsadmin | if they are text based but text is not permitted to "leak" to the consol...? |
| 20:39.43 | nsadmin | like, sort | grep > aFile |
| 20:39.48 | valdyn | nsadmin: text based is not the problem, you just cant print text as fast |
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| 20:40.10 | nsadmin | that's what I thought you meant, just making sure |
| 20:40.32 | jay0 | I have created an own debian install BD iso; |
| 20:40.42 | johnfg1 | valdyn: i'm rebooting the dvd in rescue mode and will look to make sure of the kernel I'm running. |
| 20:41.00 | jay0 | DebianInstaller fails at cdrom-detect when I try to boot from my self-burnt install BD. The DVD-rom has a correctly set up install repo with pool & dists/stable/main/binary-i386 with Packages and Release files as the original DVD roms. |
| 20:41.19 | jay0 | What could be the issue here? |
| 20:41.25 | epicfail | u guys know where i can change the default program for text files? |
| 20:41.40 | jay0 | EDITOR=vim |
| 20:41.42 | jay0 | mc |
| 20:41.47 | jay0 | export |
| 20:41.57 | jay0 | export EDITOR=mc |
| 20:42.18 | nsadmin | so if he runs a game server that spews its log to stdout, that could present a problem when it logs |
| 20:42.37 | PsyCl0ne | -_- |
| 20:42.48 | PsyCl0ne | what are you guys arguing about? |
| 20:42.53 | valdyn | nsadmin: when it logs to the vc, sure |
| 20:43.29 | valdyn | nsadmin: i have an atom / intel graphics system where dmesg over ssh takes a fraction of a second but on vc it takes a couple seconds |
| 20:43.39 | jay0 | KDE, gnome? |
| 20:44.37 | jay0 | epicfail: systemsettings: for KDE |
| 20:45.06 | nsadmin | so the question would be, is (the effect of the server program logging to a vc) - (x window system overhead (incl additional running clients)) positive or negative |
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| 20:45.40 | nsadmin | PsyCl0ne, when you run the game server, does it write text to stdout? |
| 20:45.43 | valdyn | nsadmin: just dont use the vc |
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| 20:45.51 | valdyn | nsadmin: theres logfiles |
| 20:46.01 | epicfail | jay0, gnome? =( |
| 20:46.10 | PsyCl0ne | nsadmin, I don't know.... |
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| 20:46.37 | nsadmin | oh, when you were running the game server before, how would you start it? |
| 20:46.42 | PsyCl0ne | nsadmin, if anyone here playes it, its minecraft |
| 20:46.59 | PsyCl0ne | just through terminal |
| 20:47.07 | PsyCl0ne | its a java app |
| 20:47.26 | valdyn | PsyCl0ne: stdout and stderr are what is usually printed to the terminal in front of you |
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| 20:47.29 | nsadmin | oh, ok... would you see text show up periodically? |
| 20:47.36 | PsyCl0ne | yea |
| 20:47.40 | jelly-home | someone needs to write a proper init script for that thnig and put it under Java Wrapper |
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| 20:49.10 | nsadmin | jelly-home, do you play? |
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| 20:50.31 | johnfg1 | valdyn: I have on my boot partitions, i.e., /dev/sda2, vmlinuz-2.6.32-5-686. |
| 20:50.46 | valdyn | johnfg1: root or boot partition? |
| 20:51.00 | johnfg1 | My root partition is /dev/sda3. |
| 20:51.36 | valdyn | johnfg1: the set root= line needs to contain the *boot* partition, but we did that correctly I think |
| 20:52.05 | johnfg1 | Can you think of anything else to run in rescue mode to correctly generate grub.cfg? |
| 20:52.05 | valdyn | johnfg1: the linux line then needs to relative path on that partition, not the relative part on your booted system |
| 20:52.34 | valdyn | johnfg1: i dont like to jump to the next method before exploring the first method to fix your system |
| 20:53.00 | johnfg1 | valdyn: So I have /dev/sda1 is winxp. /dev/sda2 is /boot. /dev/sda3 is root, and so on. |
| 20:53.02 | valdyn | johnfg1: and your error is obvious, so go ahead... |
| 20:53.08 | nsadmin | now that we know it's a /boot, the paths can be adjusted |
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| 20:53.33 | johnfg1 | Ok, I'll reboot and get back to that grub> prompt... |
| 20:53.47 | valdyn | johnfg1: and dont forget the insmods |
| 20:53.51 | jelly-home | nsadmin: or: cd /boot; ln -s . boot |
| 20:54.04 | jelly-home | nsadmin: now you don't have to worry about paths to kernel |
| 20:54.06 | johnfg1 | valdyn: Should those come first? |
| 20:54.15 | valdyn | johnfg1: yes |
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| 20:54.54 | nsadmin | then you could use /boot/boot/boot/boot/boot/... |
| 20:55.38 | nsadmin | that's a damn good hack |
| 20:55.50 | johnfg1 | valdyn: ok, first do insmod part_msdos; insmod ext2. |
| 20:56.06 | johnfg1 | then do the set root? |
| 20:56.16 | valdyn | johnfg1: yes |
| 20:58.10 | valdyn | linux /vmlinuz-2.6.32-5-686 root=/dev/sda3 |
| 20:58.38 | JCDenton | I'm guessing Flash is no longer in the Debian repository? |
| 20:58.51 | valdyn | judd: versions flashplugin-nonfree |
| 20:58.52 | judd | Package: flashplugin-nonfree on i386 -- squeeze/contrib: 1:2.8.2; lenny-backports/contrib: 1:2.8.3~bpo50+1; sid/contrib: 1:2.8.3; wheezy/contrib: 1:2.8.3 |
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| 20:59.25 | joar | how do I reset the locks for debconf? |
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| 20:59.53 | JCDenton | flashplugin-nonfree doesn't exist on my end. |
| 21:00.13 | Mkays| | Have you enabled non-free? |
| 21:00.40 | valdyn | flash may be non-free, but the package is where dpkg said it is |
| 21:00.55 | jelly-home | !tell JCDenton about contrib |
| 21:01.04 | johnfg1 | Ok, are we thinking the line beginning with linux should be, linux /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.32-5-686 root=/dev/sda2? Because I still get file not found. |
| 21:01.12 | nsadmin | that thing downloads the actual player, right? |
| 21:01.22 | valdyn | johnfg1: no, the line should be what i said it should be |
| 21:01.23 | jelly-home | nsadmin: the plugin. |
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| 21:01.47 | jelly-home | there still is a separate standalone player from Adobe |
| 21:02.11 | johnfg1 | I entered it from what I saw, would you say it again, please? |
| 21:02.25 | valdyn | johnfg1: 21:58 < valdyn> linux /vmlinuz-2.6.32-5-686 root=/dev/sda3 |
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| 21:03.54 | daedhel | hi, I am on Debian Sid, how do I get my Thinkpad T420i's keyboard's multimedia (volume) button to work? |
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| 21:04.24 | JordiGH | Is there any hope to backport clang 3.0 to squeeze? |
| 21:06.21 | johnfg1 | would you do the same with reposting (as the /vmlinuz line worked, what should be for initrd? |
| 21:06.55 | johnfg1 | nevermind, got it. what's next? |
| 21:07.15 | valdyn | johnfg1: boot, I think |
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| 21:08.10 | johnfg1 | Looks like it's booting. Now, can I regenerate the grub.cfg once I'm into squeeze? |
| 21:08.29 | valdyn | johnfg1: run "dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc" |
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| 21:09.35 | johnfg1 | So you're 6 hours earlier, eh? |
| 21:09.58 | patrik83 | Hi, how can I provide xsession remotely to clients ? What I would like to do is to provide xsession for all users (just few ;) ) automaticaly upon their login. I am sure there is something, some software, I just dont know what :) . Thank you very much. |
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| 21:10.12 | johnfg1 | Just got a fsck dies with exit status 8. |
| 21:10.33 | johnfg1 | Please repair the file system manually. |
| 21:11.36 | johnfg1 | so, what should i run on the offfending partition: /dev/sda10? |
| 21:11.58 | valdyn | johnfg1: anything important on it? |
| 21:11.59 | equex | nothing like an fsck level 8. its like fuck you x 8 |
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| 21:13.26 | thomaschaaf | I want to programmazically read out the currently used network settings. Is there a file where I can get the information such as IP, Netmask, Gateway, etc? I don't really like parsing ifconfig manually, specially because that has to get the information from somewhere. |
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| 21:14.21 | johnfg1 | I think it's one of my afs /vice partitions. |
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| 21:16.42 | johnfg1 | ok, am getting ready to run dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc |
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| 21:18.04 | nsadmin | wut wud dat doo? |
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| 21:18.26 | fdoving | thomaschaaf: i'd probably go for fetching the vaules one by one, with some kind of script. |
| 21:18.42 | thomaschaaf | fdoving: from where? |
| 21:18.55 | PsyCl0ne | nsadmin, is it better that I have separate /home /usr / var and /tmp partitions? |
| 21:19.09 | PsyCl0ne | or all files in one partition? |
| 21:19.15 | johnfg1 | ok, dpkg returned the following Linux command line was extracted from /etc/default/grub or the `kopt' parameter in GRUB Legacy's menu.lst. Please verify that it is correct, amd modify it if necessary. Linux command line:, but it's empty. |
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| 21:19.42 | valdyn | thomaschaaf: http://www.geekpage.jp/en/programming/linux-network/get-ipaddr.php |
| 21:20.01 | fdoving | thomaschaaf: from the output of different commands. |
| 21:20.07 | vlt | PsyCl0ne: It’s easier to have only one file system. That _may_ be better in some cases. For other reasons it might be better to have them separated. It depends on your needs. |
| 21:20.13 | nsadmin | PsyCl0ne, for a server, you want them separate (for my laptop, I also have them separate) |
| 21:20.28 | nsadmin | it contributes to multiyearlong uptimes |
| 21:20.50 | PsyCl0ne | nsadmin, how so? |
| 21:20.59 | thomaschaaf | But how do I get the netmask or the gateway? |
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| 21:21.05 | nsadmin | you're protecting / from overfilling |
| 21:21.30 | valdyn | thomaschaaf: quite similar, but im sure you can google that yourself |
| 21:21.41 | Woet | nsadmin: or you're causing overfilling because MySQL suddenly grows |
| 21:21.47 | vlt | PsyCl0ne: Or can adjust something like /home to your needs without having to take down the machine. |
| 21:21.52 | Woet | nsadmin: monitoring disk usage > separate partitionings |
| 21:21.55 | nsadmin | thomaschaaf, the netmask, ip and gw come from upstream... many times, this info is transmitted to you via dhcp |
| 21:22.28 | nsadmin | Woet, right, or pg |
| 21:22.50 | fdoving | thomaschaaf: which programming language are you using? |
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| 21:24.22 | valdyn | thomaschaaf: you can also parse the routing table from /proc/net/route, programmatically |
| 21:24.25 | thomaschaaf | I want to dynamically set the ip configuration from nodejs but that can call a command which is wirtten in whatever. |
| 21:24.31 | johnfg1 | Ok, without actually trying the reboot to see if the items in grub.cfg boot, I note that nothing is being recognized on /dev/sdb. |
| 21:24.54 | nsadmin | which is why on my remote, I have /var/lib/postgresql as a separate vol |
| 21:25.51 | thomaschaaf | okay then I guess I can also use route -n |
| 21:26.19 | bitHipy | are there any notable distros that also use aptitude for package management, besides of course debian and ubuntu? |
| 21:26.48 | valdyn | bitHipy: google for debian based distros |
| 21:26.57 | thomaschaaf | bitHipy: they are all debian based.. |
| 21:27.41 | bitHipy | thanks |
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| 21:28.01 | nsadmin | but separate partitions is a way to do hard limits... is this monitoring of disk usage a generally applicable technique? is there some kind of daemon for it? |
| 21:28.25 | valdyn | nsadmin: sure |
| 21:28.37 | nsadmin | to which part? :) |
| 21:29.08 | valdyn | nsadmin: the usual monitoring daemons all can report on disk usage too ( nagios et. al. ) |
| 21:29.36 | valdyn | nsadmin: and gnome(3) will annoy the hell out of me with such messages |
| 21:29.50 | nsadmin | what is done with the information? |
| 21:29.58 | nsadmin | other than being annoying :) |
| 21:29.59 | valdyn | nsadmin: by what ? |
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| 21:30.03 | valdyn | nsadmin: in gnome? |
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| 21:30.13 | Woet | nsadmin: you remove/move files so the space is not running out |
| 21:30.15 | nsadmin | by monitoring daemons? |
| 21:30.19 | valdyn | nsadmin: i dont know, i hit the fuck off button |
| 21:30.26 | valdyn | nsadmin: they send me notification emails |
| 21:30.40 | nsadmin | so the monitoring daemons tell you and you take care of it |
| 21:30.50 | Woet | nsadmin: that's the general idea of monitoring daemons, yes. |
| 21:31.06 | nsadmin | got it :) |
| 21:31.16 | Woet | nsadmin: better than a crashing mysql server because /var is full while /home has 900 GB available |
| 21:31.16 | valdyn | nsadmin: yea, set arbitrary percentage value as warning or critical, and get notified with appropriate emails |
| 21:31.59 | nsadmin | I could actually use that as it stands |
| 21:32.07 | nsadmin | even on my remote |
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| 21:33.00 | valdyn | !icinga |
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| 21:33.10 | valdyn | !nagios |
| 21:33.10 | dpkg | Nagios (formerly NetSaint) is a popular open source computer system and network monitoring application software. It watches hosts and services that you specify, alerting you when things go bad and again when they get better. Packaged for Debian as nagios3. http://wiki.debian.org/PkgNagios http://www.nagios.org/faqs/ #nagios on irc.freenode.net. |
| 21:34.09 | Woet | you also have opsview, a rather nice GUI/frontend/backend for nagios |
| 21:34.10 | fdoving | thomaschaaf: if you can control how the ip addresses are set, i'd recommend using the options available with /etc/network/interfaces - you can set everything from that file, ip, netmask, gateways, nameservers etc. for all devices on the machine. - making scripts/programs to read/write theese settings can get complicated if you have multiple devices etc. |
| 21:34.31 | Woet | and PRTG, but i've got no experience with that |
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| 21:35.30 | valdyn | dpkg: icinga is <reply>A monitoring system that can use <nagios> plugins but is supposedly easier to use. It is package in debian. See http://www.icinga.org/ |
| 21:35.31 | dpkg | okay, valdyn |
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| 21:36.10 | valdyn | dpkg: icinga =~ s/package/packaged/ |
| 21:36.10 | dpkg | OK, valdyn |
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| 21:40.19 | johnfg | Thanks to all that helped with my issue. Oy vey! |
| 21:40.36 | johnfg | I thought it would be cool to try a rollling release, but not so much. |
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| 21:43.48 | stephan48 | is there a easy way to install php5.2(lenny) and php5.3 next to each other? |
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| 21:45.24 | KM0201 | anybody want to build a ushare package for squeeze? |
| 21:46.13 | johnfg | /dev/sda10 is my /vicepb. |
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| 21:48.43 | iridos | is there some document that describes what pbuilder does? I tried to --build and that failed because - apparently - libavc1394-dev libraw1394-dev libunicap2-dev libv4l-dev were not installed/installable for the build... but when doing pbuilder --login, I had no problems satisfying build-dependencies or building |
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| 21:51.55 | anddam | hi |
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| 21:52.23 | thomaschaaf | valdyn: I am not familiar with c yet. How would I compile this:http://www.geekpage.jp/en/programming/linux-network/get-ipaddr.php ? Create a file "getIP.c" and then gcc getIP.c ? |
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| 21:54.03 | FDFlock | hello! quick question: "tune2fs -m x /dev/sda1", where x the new percentage of free blocks for ext4, should be safe on a live filesystem, AFAIK (but please correct me). |
| 21:54.31 | daveo | when doing apt-get update in new wheezy install i get all sorts of translation-da, trans-es, etc., how can i get rid of those? all i use is english |
| 21:55.26 | daveo | i tried install, run localpurge but it doesn't seem to affect this behavior |
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| 21:55.35 | FDFlock | The question is: Will it take effect immediately? It's the / and I can't reboot right now. |
| 21:56.01 | FDFlock | I can probably remount, though. |
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| 21:56.44 | anddam | http://mercurial.selenic.com/wiki/KeyringExtension suggests that python-keyring package is mercurial-keyring, I cannot understand how to make it work after installed. I'm reading README.txt.gz in the package but it's not very clear |
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| 21:57.31 | Vasistha | thomaschaaf: you might have an easier time using e.g. /sbin/ifconfig | sed |
| 21:57.37 | anddam | can python-keyring just work with python-crypto or does it need one of the GNOME-KDE keychain package? |
| 21:58.19 | thomaschaaf | Vasistha: now I am trying to compile the program but I get a segment fault (I don't know yet what the means) but thinks I'll look into sed |
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| 21:59.36 | FDFlock | Answer to myself: it seems to be working, without even remounting! :D |
| 21:59.40 | Vasistha | thomaschaaf: well for reference, it compiled and ran just fine for me |
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| 22:00.21 | thomaschaaf | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5910/Jing/2012-03-17_2259.png and then: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5910/Jing/2012-03-17_2300.png |
| 22:00.37 | thomaschaaf | same with gcc http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5910/Jing/2012-03-17_2300_001.png |
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| 22:01.20 | valdyn | thomaschaaf: an internal error means your hw or compile is broken |
| 22:01.29 | valdyn | thomaschaaf: *compiler* even |
| 22:01.32 | Vasistha | thomaschaaf: that is a c program not a c++ program |
| 22:02.10 | thomaschaaf | is there a way to turn on more logging? maybe some package is missing |
| 22:02.20 | valdyn | thomaschaaf: no, the compiler is broken |
| 22:02.31 | thomaschaaf | how does a compiler break? |
| 22:02.42 | valdyn | thomaschaaf: we dont know how you broke it or what broke it |
| 22:02.49 | valdyn | thomaschaaf: the error message is clear |
| 22:03.10 | valdyn | thomaschaaf: a compiler is a type of program that does some things *provably* correct, it cant crash there |
| 22:03.15 | Vasistha | thomaschaaf: could be that it was depending on a particular library, and that library got upgraded and now it's incompatible |
| 22:04.32 | Vasistha | thomaschaaf: that said you should rename your source to .c instead of .cpp - I guess gcc may automatically use a c++ compiler on a source named .cpp |
| 22:05.28 | jelly-home | that code really does not look like C++, but plain C |
| 22:05.58 | Vasistha | thomaschaaf: mv a.cpp getip.c; gcc -o getip -v getip.c |
| 22:06.08 | Vasistha | thomaschaaf: and pastebin the result |
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| 22:06.49 | thomaschaaf | http://pastie.org/3617678 |
| 22:06.49 | Vasistha | of course there's a good chance you'll get another segfault, and even if not you should probably fix your c++ compiler |
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| 22:07.36 | Vasistha | thomaschaaf: I don't actually see any errors there ... did it work? |
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| 22:07.51 | thomaschaaf | root@prisma-1:/# ./a Segmentation fault |
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| 22:08.48 | valdyn | thomaschaaf: that paste does not look complete |
| 22:08.57 | jelly-home | thomaschaaf: so, it built successfully |
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| 22:10.07 | thomaschaaf | valdyn: I'm sorry but thats all I get |
| 22:10.32 | valdyn | thomaschaaf: do you have a network interface named "eth0" ? |
| 22:10.45 | thomaschaaf | yes I do |
| 22:11.49 | valdyn | thomaschaaf: ok, your paste is fine, but that program shouldnt crash |
| 22:12.07 | thomaschaaf | are there any dependencies in that script where I would have to install a -dev package maybe? (I thought the script seemed easy enough to test out c) |
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| 22:12.15 | valdyn | thomaschaaf: no |
| 22:12.43 | valdyn | thomaschaaf: this is not how this works, by segfaulting on missing depends |
| 22:13.07 | valdyn | thomaschaaf: it segfaults because your compiler compiled broken code or because youre not running a proper linux kernel |
| 22:13.08 | thomaschaaf | I am just confused as I just copy pasted the code |
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| 22:13.43 | thomaschaaf | there are other compilers I can use right? |
| 22:13.44 | valdyn | i mean *created* broken code, the C Code is not broken |
| 22:13.54 | valdyn | thomaschaaf: not trivially, no |
| 22:14.12 | valdyn | thomaschaaf: well, maybe you can try and/or install gcc-4.3 |
| 22:14.34 | rozz_ | Hello. I need a 32 bit lib for my amd64 squeeze computer. I went to the debian website and downloaded the i386 package but am unable to install it. What should I do? |
| 22:14.58 | valdyn | rozz_: you cannot install 386 packages |
| 22:15.08 | valdyn | rozz_: you can install i32-libs |
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| 22:15.39 | valdyn | rozz_: you can also "apt-cache search lib32" to see what is available |
| 22:15.40 | thomaschaaf | valdyn: same thing :( |
| 22:15.58 | thomaschaaf | still get the segmentfault even with gcc-4.3 ... |
| 22:16.41 | jelly-home | use gdb skillz to verify the program really is that buggy |
| 22:16.54 | valdyn | talking to someone who does not know C |
| 22:16.56 | rozz_ | valdyn: And if I don't find the package name in the command output? |
| 22:17.13 | valdyn | rozz_: what about trying first? |
| 22:17.23 | rozz_ | valdyn: I did. I didn't see it. |
| 22:17.25 | valdyn | rozz_: or letting us know first what you need? |
| 22:18.28 | rozz_ | valdyn: http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/libsdl-ttf2.0-0 and libsdl-image1.2 |
| 22:18.39 | rozz_ | valdyn: woops, I meant to not send the link |
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| 22:19.24 | valdyn | rozz_: thats in ia32-libs-dev |
| 22:19.46 | thomaschaaf | jelly-home: sadly I am not familiar with gdb nor c. "gdb program" tells me that no debugging symbold were found. |
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| 22:20.24 | rozz_ | valdyn: Okay. If I simply apt-get install ia32-libs-dev, I should be fine for both packages? |
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| 22:22.18 | fdoving | thomaschaaf: i'd recommend using a different language than c, if you're not already into c programming. |
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| 22:26.18 | patrik83 | Hi, how can I provide xsession remotely to clients ? What I would like to do is to provide xsession for all users (just few ;) ) automaticaly upon their login. I am sure there is something, some software, I just dont know what :) . Thank you very much. |
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| 22:27.12 | rozz_ | valdyn: For the program that I am trying to run that needs the sdl files, I still get this error: ./libs/Dwarf_Fortress: error while loading shared libraries: libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
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| 22:27.33 | valdyn | rozz_: ia32-libs-gtk |
| 22:27.55 | johnfg | What flags should I run fsck with on the offending partition? |
| 22:28.07 | valdyn | johnfg: to do what? |
| 22:28.52 | valdyn | johnfg: the fsck crashed before, remember. If you dont need the data, use mkfs, not fsck |
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| 22:28.59 | johnfg | Just to check it? After unmounting /dev/sda10 and running fsck /dev/sda10, just tells me it's clean. |
| 22:29.27 | valdyn | johnfg: for some reason it crashed on bootup though |
| 22:29.28 | johnfg | valdyn, And all in the /vicepb is there and accessible. |
| 22:29.39 | johnfg | valdyn, Right, and twice. |
| 22:30.12 | thomaschaaf | fdoving: thanks I am using: http://alastairs-place.net/projects/netifaces/ now :) |
| 22:31.26 | fdoving | thomaschaaf: ok, you could also use some hack of a shellscript, like: ifconfig wlan0|grep 'inet addr'|cut -d ':' -f 2|cut -d ' ' -f 1 |
| 22:31.31 | valdyn | johnfg: what type of filesystem is it? |
| 22:31.39 | rozz_ | valdyn: The same error has persisted. |
| 22:32.24 | valdyn | rozz_: look it up yourself, that file: /usr/lib32/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0 |
| 22:34.17 | johnfg | valdyn, ext3. |
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| 22:36.42 | rozz_ | valdyn: I am not sure what you mean. Could you please elaborate? |
| 22:37.02 | valdyn | rozz_: the file is supposed to be there, go have a look to see if it is there |
| 22:38.49 | rozz_ | valdyn: It is there. I'm not sure how to tell if the has the file the errors says something needs. |
| 22:39.04 | ternit | Which desktop environment is least resource heavy? |
| 22:39.52 | valdyn | rozz_: LD_PRELOAD=/usr/lib32/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0 ./libs/Dwarf_Fortress |
| 22:40.51 | rozz_ | valdyn: ./libs/Dwarf_Fortress: error while loading shared libraries: libSDL_image-1.2.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 22:41.03 | valdyn | rozz_: hah, neat |
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| 22:41.27 | rozz_ | valdyn: I do not know if this is important, but libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0 is not the same name as libSDL_image-1.2.so.0 |
| 22:41.41 | valdyn | rozz_: LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/lib32 ./libs/Dwarf_Fortress |
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| 22:42.07 | rozz_ | valdyn: The same error was presented. |
| 22:42.15 | valdyn | rozz_: which one |
| 22:43.29 | rozz_ | valdyn: ./libs/Dwarf_Fortress: error while loading shared libraries: libSDL_image-1.2.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 22:43.52 | rozz_ | valdyn: I'm sorry if you think I am bugging you; if I knew how to fix the problem, I would have already done so. |
| 22:43.58 | valdyn | rozz_: ok, that file is not around |
| 22:44.39 | rozz_ | valydn: And I found the 2 files that I need on the debian website, but I can't use what they have. The application needs 32 bit and it seems that my computer needs 64 bit. |
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| 22:44.53 | valdyn | rozz_: theres only hacks from here, meaning that you have to get your hands dirty and either unpack debian i386 packages to retrieve the missing files or set up an i386 chroot environment |
| 22:45.21 | valdyn | rozz_: nah, you got that wrong |
| 22:45.35 | rozz_ | valdyn: How so? |
| 22:45.39 | valdyn | rozz_: your computer does not care, your debian system can only install packages for amd64 |
| 22:45.56 | rozz_ | valdyn: Ah. |
| 22:46.03 | valdyn | rozz_: so any missing 32-bit libraries you cant install with packages |
| 22:46.15 | valdyn | rozz_: but debian packages can be unpacked instead of installed |
| 22:47.09 | rozz_ | valdyn: Something like what this person did? http://blog.isja.org/index.php?/archives/81-Setting-up-Dwarf-Fortress-in-64bit-Debian.html |
| 22:48.08 | valdyn | rozz_: exactly |
| 22:48.51 | valdyn | rozz_: id use /usr/local/lib32 where he uses /usr/lib32 to put files that dont belong to your amd64 debian |
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| 22:49.42 | rozz_ | valdyn: Is there a reason I, as a beginner, would understand for that? |
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| 22:50.54 | valdyn | rozz_: yes: theres places where the packaging system puts files. You dont want to put anything into those places that is not properly tracked by the package management |
| 22:51.15 | rozz_ | valdyn: Thanks for the help. I'll try it! :) |
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| 22:52.29 | patrik83 | Hi, how can I provide xsession remotely to clients ? What I would like to do is to provide xsession for all users (just few ;) ) automaticaly upon their login. I am sure there is something, some software, I just dont know what :) . Thank you very much. I do not need how to setup or anything close to that, just point me to something and I will sort it out. |
| 22:52.51 | valdyn | !tsp |
| 22:52.56 | valdyn | !ltsp |
| 22:52.56 | dpkg | ltsp is, like, the Linux Terminal Server Project. http://wiki.debian.org/LTSP http://www.ltsp.org/ #ltsp on irc.freenode.net. |
| 22:53.47 | patrik83 | valdyn: thanks valdyn. I am going to check it out now. |
| 22:55.31 | pie_ | is it possible to kill all active network connections? |
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| 23:05.15 | fdoving | pie_: i use 'cutter' to do that. that's a package name. |
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| 23:05.42 | useless-eater | what would be a great pdf reader? thats not bundled with gnome, kde or anything.. |
| 23:05.57 | Lint | what application I can use to view PS files? |
| 23:06.02 | polyurethane | This is probably the wrong channel but I have no idea where to ask. I have installed LAMP on my debian server, how do I connect my domain with it? Do I ask my VPS provider to point my rDns to my domain? Many thanks. |
| 23:06.27 | valdyn | polyurethane: rdns? plain dns! |
| 23:06.48 | polyurethane | Really? My friend said rDns |
| 23:06.48 | polyurethane | Hmm |
| 23:07.03 | polyurethane | I already E-mailed them and said rDns, hopefully they'll understnad |
| 23:07.06 | valdyn | polyurethane: reverse dns converts ip adresses to names |
| 23:07.26 | kevlarman | is there a nice package of vlc somewhere that supports both oss and h.264? |
| 23:07.30 | valdyn | polyurethane: i think you want people to type a domain name in their browser and find your server |
| 23:07.36 | valdyn | polyurethane: thats what "dns" does |
| 23:07.42 | polyurethane | Yes valdyn |
| 23:07.44 | polyurethane | Alright |
| 23:07.48 | polyurethane | So I just ask for DNS |
| 23:07.52 | valdyn | polyurethane: no |
| 23:08.12 | valdyn | polyurethane: the thing is your internet service provider owns the ip, it can setup the reverse dns only |
| 23:08.34 | valdyn | polyurethane: *you* own the domain, *you* can set up the dns entry at your dns provider |
| 23:08.49 | polyurethane | But how do I know which DNS to set it up to? I have Volumedrive as my VPS provider |
| 23:08.57 | polyurethane | I have my domain at namecheap, I use their DNS |
| 23:09.04 | valdyn | polyurethane: so go there |
| 23:09.36 | valdyn | polyurethane: you can do rdns later, its neat, but its not useful for people to find your website |
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| 23:10.53 | polyurethane | I need to ask for their DNS that I can point to right valdyn? |
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| 23:12.26 | valdyn | polyurethane: you go to the website of namecheap, log in and set the A record of your domain name to your ip |
| 23:12.45 | polyurethane | ah, to my IP |
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| 23:13.15 | polyurethane | valdyn, I have to write atleast two dns names, I only ahve one IP |
| 23:13.39 | valdyn | polyurethane: both need to point to the same ip then |
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| 23:14.20 | polyurethane | Invalid name server valdyn |
| 23:14.20 | valdyn | polyurethane: the name shows up again in http requests and apache "splits" that |
| 23:14.33 | valdyn | polyurethane: what? |
| 23:15.06 | polyurethane | "Please enter DNS name only. Please don't enter IP adresses. |
| 23:15.09 | polyurethane | that's what it says D: |
| 23:15.36 | valdyn | polyurethane: i cant read your mind or that website without seeing it |
| 23:15.46 | polyurethane | I'll take a picture, one minute |
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| 23:16.14 | polyurethane | valdyn, http://puu.sh/le8j |
| 23:16.42 | valdyn | polyurethane: you dont need to change the SOA for your domain |
| 23:17.01 | valdyn | polyurethane: but you were just trying to change the SOA for your domain |
| 23:17.10 | polyurethane | Could it be this |
| 23:17.13 | polyurethane | "Nameserver registration" |
| 23:17.22 | valdyn | polyurethane: thats wrong, you already have their name servers |
| 23:17.26 | polyurethane | "Please choose the hostname and enter the IP for registering your nameserver" |
| 23:17.32 | valdyn | polyurethane: wrong wrong |
| 23:17.45 | polyurethane | >.< Let me screen you the menu |
| 23:17.48 | valdyn | polyurethane: their domain name servers are fine |
| 23:18.07 | valdyn | polyurethane: ( and if they are not you can still switch later, but its not related to your current issue ) |
| 23:18.53 | polyurethane | wow this got confusing, how do I point my domain to vps? o.O |
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| 23:19.14 | valdyn | polyurethane: its called A Record, you set the A Record to your ip |
| 23:19.34 | valdyn | polyurethane: your namecheap might use a descriptive name for that instead of the proper technical term |
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| 23:20.16 | shermjoe | anyone in saint louis area? |
| 23:21.21 | polyurethane | valdyn, |
| 23:21.26 | polyurethane | http://puu.sh/lebr |
| 23:21.30 | polyurethane | what do you think it could be? O.O |
| 23:21.53 | valdyn | polyurethane: all host records |
| 23:22.19 | polyurethane | valdyn, http://puu.sh/lec8 |
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| 23:22.31 | polyurethane | what do now? D: so confusing jesus christ |
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| 23:23.52 | valdyn | polyurethane: top, enter your ip beneath "IP ADDRESS/URL" and pick A-Record beneath "RECORD TYPE" |
| 23:24.02 | cheako | any one know what include/hooktypes.h is? This source needs it to build. |
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| 23:24.37 | polyurethane | done valdyn , what about the www? |
| 23:24.51 | PSR_B1057 | how to multiboot debian and windows xp. Currently I'm on debian and windows xp is not installed yet |
| 23:24.52 | valdyn | polyurethane: and at the sub-domain settings do the same, but www on the leftmost box |
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| 23:25.24 | valdyn | polyurethane: in order to get your domain via domain.com and also via www.domain.com |
| 23:25.46 | polyurethane | alright both of them are the same |
| 23:25.51 | polyurethane | valdyn, the sub domain settings? D: |
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| 23:25.53 | polyurethane | there are a lot of them |
| 23:25.59 | cheako | ohh it's from this source, it's just not in the tarball?? I'll ask upstream. |
| 23:26.06 | valdyn | polyurethane: you only need one though |
| 23:26.22 | valdyn | polyurethane: but you are free to set more if you want.. |
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| 23:26.42 | valdyn | polyurethane: mail or randomfancyname or whatever you want... |
| 23:26.49 | polyurethane | should i write www at the subdomain or @? |
| 23:27.03 | polyurethane | same TTL too I guess? |
| 23:27.15 | valdyn | polyurethane: yea, 1800 isnt to bad |
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| 23:27.25 | polyurethane | what should I write in the sub domain first box? |
| 23:27.31 | valdyn | polyurethane: www |
| 23:27.45 | polyurethane | alright, this is how it looks now |
| 23:27.49 | polyurethane | http://puu.sh/lefs |
| 23:28.07 | valdyn | polyurethane: fine |
| 23:28.16 | valdyn | polyurethane: hmm, i made a mistake |
| 23:28.20 | polyurethane | alright, thanks a lot :-) |
| 23:28.25 | valdyn | polyurethane: you already had www in the 2nd line |
| 23:28.45 | polyurethane | the subdomain didn't save anyways |
| 23:28.46 | polyurethane | it goes away |
| 23:28.51 | polyurethane | so I guess it's invalid :p |
| 23:29.15 | valdyn | polyurethane: its already covered anyway |
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| 23:29.44 | valdyn | polyurethane: now repeat for your 2nd domain.. |
| 23:31.05 | valdyn | polyurethane: its already covered by the 2nd line |
| 23:31.12 | valdyn | polyurethane: err, nvm |
| 23:31.22 | valdyn | shameran.me has address 199.168.136.108 <- works for me |
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| 23:32.28 | oscurochu | I have debian installed onto a flash drive that I am running. I would like to install debian onto a new hard drive by copying files from this existing installation, and if possible, only copying debian bare essential packages. The internet connection here is really slow and I don't have the time to wait for all the packages to download AND install, so debootstrap isn't a good option, and I do not have any CD/DVD-Rs. |
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| 23:33.59 | vlt | oscurochu: What about copying simply the whole flash drive? |
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| 23:35.52 | oscurochu | The installation would be for someone else who doesn't need even half of the programs that I have installed. it's not that big of a deal, but it would just save time if i could only install what i want and need. |
| 23:37.04 | vlt | oscurochu: I can only think of copying the flash drive and then remove everything you don’t need. |
| 23:37.51 | polyurethane | thanks valdyn :-) |
| 23:39.15 | oscurochu | ok, thanks. how do i format a ext4 fs? and best method for copying? rsync?? |
| 23:39.50 | vlt | oscurochu: Are you running _from_ the flash drive? |
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| 23:40.07 | polyurethane | valdyn, the dns updated after 5 minutes o.O |
| 23:40.19 | oscurochu | vlt: yes. |
| 23:40.21 | vlt | oscurochu: And if yes, is it mounted rw or ro? |
| 23:40.42 | oscurochu | cant i remount it to /mnt/whatever?? |
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| 23:41.19 | oscurochu | i need to clear up temperary files, im running out of room on my flash drive. what do i delete? |
| 23:41.35 | vlt | oscurochu: Yes, but that wouldn’t make a difference when it’s mounted rw anyway. |
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| 23:43.30 | oscurochu | vlt: i could mount it ro by changing the boot parameters in grub, and then copy the o/s? |
| 23:43.46 | tremon | oscurochu: the only things you can delete safely is /tmp, /home, /var/log. If you know what you're doing, /var/backups and /var/cache can also be pruned |
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| 23:44.08 | tremon | oscurochu: no reboot, just init 1 and mount -o remount,ro / |
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| 23:44.08 | fdoving | oscurochu: if you ever updated, you should start making space by running 'apt-get clean' |
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| 23:44.31 | vlt | oscurochu: _I_ would do the following: `dd if=<flashdrive> of=<harddrive> count=1` to copy grub over. Then run cfdisk to adjust the partitions. Then create a file system, mount it, then `rsync -ax / /mnt/newdrive` … |
| 23:44.40 | oscurochu | i have a 16gb flash drive, 8gb is for root, 6 is for /home. so i need to clear up as much as possible |
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| 23:45.41 | oscurochu | what does the "count" option do? |
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| 23:47.41 | vlt | oscurochu: Takes only the first bytes. Now that you ask, I’m not sure whether count=1 is enough. Maybe use count=63 to be sure, because you will create your partition table later anyway and thus don’t destroy anything on the target drive. |
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| 23:50.01 | epicfail | !wheeze |
| 23:50.01 | dpkg | Debian 6.0 <stable> is codenamed <squeeze>. The current <testing> distribution, which will be released as Debian 7.0, is codenamed <wheezy>. There is no "squeezy" or "wheeze". |
| 23:50.12 | epicfail | hrhr i wheezed! |
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| 23:52.26 | oscurochu | i have a feeling what you suggested is too much and im not sure which steps i should take out or modify |
| 23:53.14 | vlt | oscurochu: Using dd is in most cases the fastest way to clone the boot sector with grub. |
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| 23:53.50 | oscurochu | my boot partition is fat32, so not really the best option |
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| 23:54.03 | vlt | oscurochu: You can also run grub-install later from a chroot dir but maybe it’s not necessary. |
| 23:54.45 | vlt | oscurochu: Why not? What’s the problem with FAT32? |
| 23:54.47 | oscurochu | i'd rather just start with a new /boot for her system and use grub-install at the end. it makes more sense to me. |
| 23:54.57 | vlt | oscurochu: Ok |
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| 23:58.50 | oscurochu | im just trying to figure out the best way to copy the roofs. so after i mount the host rootfs (/dev/sdb2) ro, and remount it to /mnt/host, im going to mount the target rootfs to /mnt/target. what are the next steps? |
| 23:59.49 | vlt | oscurochu: Run the rsync command. |
