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| 00:00.19 | gnarface | hmm. so the line numbers are the line numbers of the very following line? |
| 00:00.42 | gnarface | or the very following line -1? |
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| 00:04.24 | lidenbrock | can anyone help me use ext3grep to recover a deleted file? |
| 00:04.59 | ModestyBlaise | !anyone |
| 00:04.59 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
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| 00:09.09 | themill | lidenbrock: have you found http://carlo17.home.xs4all.nl/howto/undelete_ext3.html yet? |
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| 00:11.27 | philipp_ | thx man that update from backports did the trick |
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| 00:14.32 | Big_Brother | with debian 6, the default graphical environment will be GNOME3? |
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| 00:15.12 | somiaj | Big_Brother: the deafult desktop task in debian 6 is gnome2 (but you can use other de/wms) |
| 00:15.40 | somiaj | Big_Brother: in wheezy (The next release) gnome3 will be the gnome option (But there are other choices) |
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| 00:18.17 | Big_Brother | somiaj: i was looking to install dwm. |
| 00:21.08 | somiaj | ,versions dwm |
| 00:21.09 | judd | Package: dwm on i386 -- lenny: 4.7-3; squeeze: 5.8.2-1; sid: 6.0-3; wheezy: 6.0-3 |
| 00:21.24 | somiaj | Big_Brother: version 5.8 is in squeeze (Debian stable or 6.0.x) |
| 00:21.56 | somiaj | Big_Brother: you can install that without installing any of gnome if you like. Just don't pick the desktop task durning the last steps of the install and tell apt-get/aptitude to install the wm along with the xserver-xorg |
| 00:23.08 | abrotman | should use the 'xorg' package |
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| 00:31.23 | johnfg | hey guys |
| 00:32.40 | johnfg | If I have gdm running on tty7, i.e. the standard login, and am on the console tty1-tty6 is there a way to startx or do I have to be off of tty7 and that display? |
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| 00:34.19 | abrotman | gdm is alreayd running ? |
| 00:35.03 | abrotman | johnfg: you can startx on a different terminal |
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| 00:39.49 | sssilver | Hello gentlemen |
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| 00:40.14 | sssilver | how can I install a package from wheezy on squeeze? |
| 00:40.50 | mjt | by upgrading squeeze to wheezy? |
| 00:40.58 | sssilver | mjt: that's not an option :( |
| 00:41.14 | mjt | so there's no option of installing such a package |
| 00:41.16 | themill | sssilver: what are you looking for? |
| 00:41.42 | FDFlock | mjt: of course there is, it's just not recommended |
| 00:41.43 | dvs | mjt" stop "helping" |
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| 00:41.50 | sssilver | I need to install trac 0.12 which is in wheezy on squeeze which only has 0.11 |
| 00:41.52 | FDFlock | apt-pinning |
| 00:42.23 | themill | ,checkbackport trac |
| 00:42.23 | judd | Backporting package trac in sid→squeeze/i386: all build-dependencies satisfied using squeeze. |
| 00:42.52 | themill | sssilver: ^^ rebuilding the trac package from wheezy for squeeze is feasible. Do that rather than trying to install the wheezy package in squeeze |
| 00:43.43 | sssilver | themill: thanks, but I don't know how to do that :( |
| 00:44.30 | themill | dpkg: tell sssilver about ssb |
| 00:44.33 | mjt | isn't trac just a bunch of python scripts? |
| 00:44.46 | themill | mjt: there's no such thing as "just a bunch of python scripts" |
| 00:45.00 | mjt | i mean no native binaries |
| 00:45.15 | sssilver | mjt: it's a python application, yeah |
| 00:45.30 | themill | ,depends trac --release wheezy |
| 00:45.31 | judd | Package trac in wheezy/i386 -- depends: python2.6 | python2.7, python (>= 2.6.6-7~), python (<< 2.8), python-pkg-resources, python-genshi (>= 0.6), python-setuptools (>= 0.6). |
| 00:45.44 | themill | mjt: ^^ check the "python" version dependency carefully |
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| 00:46.20 | themill | ,v python --release squeeze |
| 00:46.21 | judd | Package: python on i386 -- squeeze: 2.6.6-3+squeeze6 |
| 00:46.27 | mjt | 2.6.6-3 |
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| 00:46.58 | themill | so no amount of pinning there is going to save you from a train wreck |
| 00:48.26 | sssilver | themill: so I can't do this without upgrading python on my squeeze? |
| 00:49.25 | themill | sssilver: if you follow dpkg's advice about making a backport you can. Those comments were directed to mjt, FDFlock and others who seemed to think (or didn't think at all) that you making a hideous squeeze/wheezy mix was a good plan. |
| 00:49.55 | mjt | what? :) |
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| 00:50.06 | FDFlock | themill: I specifically stated that apt-pinning is sometimes (=usually) a bad idea, and not recommended |
| 00:51.12 | johnfg | abrotman: what's the command for that? |
| 00:51.19 | sssilver | themill: I found this http://packages.debian.org/squeeze-backports/trac |
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| 00:51.29 | johnfg | startingg x on another terminal? |
| 00:51.34 | FDFlock | themill: And that's one of the limitations of Debian, if you ask me... there are other distros that support mixing stable/unstable without problems |
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| 00:52.04 | themill | sssilver: ahh... lovely. Yes. I'd missed that. You should use that package. |
| 00:52.11 | sssilver | yay |
| 00:52.17 | sssilver | thanks so very much themill |
| 00:52.22 | dvs | !beer sssilver |
| 00:52.22 | dpkg | pulls out a tasty Yuengling Lager for sssilver |
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| 00:52.58 | themill | FDFlock: that only works if you recompile everything all the time and accept the problems that brings. If that's what you like, then go for it. It's also completely irrelevant to debian end user support. |
| 00:53.28 | sssilver | hands dvs a glass of dark ale |
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| 00:53.39 | sssilver | themill: haha, I'm an avid gentoo user myself |
| 00:53.50 | FDFlock | themill: I know, I was running Gentoo for quite some time. Guess why I've converted to Debian! |
| 00:53.50 | sssilver | hence the debian confusion |
| 00:53.53 | FDFlock | (it was a maintainance nightmare) |
| 00:53.59 | FDFlock | sssilver: ;) |
| 00:54.08 | sssilver | FDFlock: hey now :)) |
| 00:54.27 | FDFlock | I still love both disros, though ;) |
| 00:54.54 | sssilver | I think debian is the nemesis of gentoo :)) |
| 00:55.05 | sssilver | like, the antidote |
| 00:55.33 | FDFlock | I find both to be increadibly cool, but for different reasons |
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| 00:56.58 | johnfg | abrotman: Yeah at present gdm is running in tty8, but I'd like to know how to startx from one of the other ttys. |
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| 01:00.41 | sssilver | wow |
| 01:00.58 | sssilver | so I added deb http://backports.debian.org/debian-backports squeeze-backports main into my sources.list |
| 01:01.10 | sssilver | then I apt-get update-'d |
| 01:01.31 | sssilver | then I apt-get -t squeeze-backports install "trac"'d |
| 01:01.45 | sssilver | then upgraded my trac environment as suggested by the documentation |
| 01:01.57 | sssilver | and now I'm getting all python errors :( |
| 01:02.03 | sssilver | http://base.mission1701.com/trac |
| 01:04.59 | johnfg | abrotman: OK, I finally found I can do startx -- :[1-whatever]. However, as a user, not superuser, I don't have permission. |
| 01:05.09 | abrotman | johnfg: sorry, was eating . |
| 01:05.26 | johnfg | abrotman: No worries, almost time for that here in Montana! |
| 01:05.27 | abrotman | johnfg: what's the error as a regular user ? |
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| 01:05.40 | abrotman | wonders if every meal in montana is buffalo meat .. |
| 01:06.35 | johnfg | abrotman: user not authorized to start the X server, aborting. |
| 01:06.52 | johnfg | abrotman: Just some wild game :-) |
| 01:07.38 | dvs | Poach something from Alberta! |
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| 01:09.37 | johnfg | dvs: You guys on central or mountain time? |
| 01:10.09 | dvs | johnfg: I'm in Ontario so it's Eastern |
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| 01:11.45 | kd123 | Hello |
| 01:11.54 | johnfg | abrotman: do I have to put users into a special group to startx from a terminal? |
| 01:12.56 | abrotman | i didn't think so |
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| 01:14.11 | Guest87269 | http://img.flashtux.org/img13302ff52f1xd23b4c68.jpg which to choose for linuxs ? |
| 01:14.48 | Guest87269 | not familar with new partition labels.. |
| 01:15.55 | abrotman | what installer is that from ? |
| 01:16.03 | Guest87269 | gparted |
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| 01:16.59 | kd123 | I'm attempting to tftp boot a client... when I have to specify a kernel, like 'vmlinux-2.6.32-5-amd'.... where do I find this kernel??? |
| 01:17.10 | kd123 | Is it in the boot directory of the master? |
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| 01:17.45 | kd123 | Can I simply copy it over from the master's /boot directory into /srv/tftp |
| 01:17.47 | kd123 | ? |
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| 01:22.43 | nowhereFast | i have created a file in /etc/init.d, chmod'd it to 777, used update-rc.d to have it run at startup, and it runs... |
| 01:22.56 | nowhereFast | the file does a ntpdate <server> |
| 01:23.07 | abrotman | you should use ntp, not ntpdate |
| 01:23.15 | nowhereFast | the problem is that even though it runs... the sync is still out after i log in |
| 01:23.34 | nowhereFast | which is corrected after i do an ntpdate <server> manually |
| 01:23.55 | optraz | yea, ntp, abrotman was right. |
| 01:24.11 | themill | umm... why on earth are you sticking a file with mode 0777 in /etc/rc.d? |
| 01:24.23 | nowhereFast | im putting it in init.d |
| 01:24.28 | nowhereFast | does it not need to be 777? |
| 01:24.34 | fahi | nowhereFast: /etc/rc.local would be much easier |
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| 01:25.34 | nowhereFast | wht is the difference between rc.local and init.d? |
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| 01:25.49 | nowhereFast | okay |
| 01:25.50 | abrotman | he should still be using ntp, not ntpdate |
| 01:25.56 | nowhereFast | it runs after all other scripts |
| 01:26.12 | fahi | but yeah, what abrotman says :) |
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| 01:26.26 | nowhereFast | abrotman, -i am trying to sync to a win ntp server on the lan |
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| 01:27.17 | abrotman | nowhereFast: and what? |
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| 01:27.43 | fahi | nowhereFast: rc.local is just a conveinent scripts that gets executed at the end of each runlevel so that you don't have to write your own init script for simple tasks. |
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| 01:28.27 | nowhereFast | okay |
| 01:28.39 | abrotman | nowhereFast: you sohuld be using ntp |
| 01:28.58 | nowhereFast | okay... |
| 01:29.07 | nowhereFast | because? |
| 01:29.25 | abrotman | ntpdate is deprecated for starters |
| 01:29.26 | themill | nowhereFast: because timewarps are bad |
| 01:29.38 | nowhereFast | okay |
| 01:29.41 | nowhereFast | googles ntp |
| 01:29.53 | nowhereFast | got a specific doc i can look at for using ntp and a win server? |
| 01:29.57 | themill | nowhereFast: "aptitude install ntp" |
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| 01:30.08 | abrotman | nowhereFast: and ntpdate generally skews the time, how do you think a machine like a computer likes it when the clock jumps two hours ? |
| 01:30.59 | nowhereFast | okay, -so after ntp is installed... just ntp <server>? |
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| 01:32.12 | themill | nowhereFast: no, there's nothing to do in 99+% of cases |
| 01:32.45 | beardy | No, read the documentation and the manual, or simply look in the configuration file and do nothing and use the defaults, make sure it's started and running. 'ntpdc' then 'peers' (after a few minutes). |
| 01:32.49 | fahi | no, it's a daemon which is set up already. If you really insist on syncing to only one server on your LAN, you can specify this server in /etc/ntpd.conf |
| 01:32.51 | kd123 | What command tells me what IP is assigned to an interface? |
| 01:33.10 | fahi | kd123: ifconfig iface |
| 01:33.13 | beardy | kd123: /sbin/ifconfig |
| 01:33.25 | kd123 | ok thanks fahi and beardy |
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| 01:33.30 | nowhereFast | okay okay... -i'm on it |
| 01:34.40 | nowhereFast | okay, -so ntp is running now |
| 01:34.44 | nowhereFast | but the date is still out |
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| 01:37.19 | beardy | nowhereFast: It will be for a long time if it's way off. ntp syncs gradually. Others might disagree, but I'd stop ntpd, run ntpdate, and then start ntpd. ('/etc/init.d/ntp stop|start'). |
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| 01:38.03 | nowhereFast | will try ths |
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| 01:39.16 | nowhereFast | done |
| 01:39.34 | beardy | Correct time now? |
| 01:39.37 | nowhereFast | the machine is a vm |
| 01:39.43 | beardy | What kind? |
| 01:39.52 | nowhereFast | vmware vm in a vsphere |
| 01:40.00 | nowhereFast | and the hardwares time is out |
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| 01:40.10 | nowhereFast | after rebooting, -will it be way off again? |
| 01:40.22 | nowhereFast | not sure of the guest sets back to the hardware clock on reboot |
| 01:40.37 | beardy | Probably. Do you own the host? |
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| 01:40.58 | nowhereFast | ure going to suggest setting the hardware right? |
| 01:41.05 | beardy | Of course. |
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| 01:41.21 | beardy | And configure ntp on it too. |
| 01:41.46 | nowhereFast | okay... rebooted, clock's set out by 6h again |
| 01:42.09 | nowhereFast | i'll get the hardware set right |
| 01:42.24 | beardy | nowhereFast: But if you don't own it I'd recommend settin gup an @reboot cronjob running ntpdate, but yes, do that if it's possible. |
| 01:43.14 | beardy | nowhereFast: If it's wrong by that much, do you have timezones confused? |
| 01:43.32 | nowhereFast | the thing about the hardware, if a tech does maintenance on it, and doesnt set the clock right, id prefer to have some way of having the guests fixed to a different source |
| 01:43.44 | nowhereFast | not a timezone issue, -hardware is just out by 6h |
| 01:43.47 | nowhereFast | both are on MST |
| 01:44.09 | beardy | RTCs run on battery.. doesn't matter if anyone touches it. |
| 01:44.33 | beardy | If it does, then the problem is the battery, or it is a very weird machine. |
| 01:44.42 | nowhereFast | heh |
| 01:44.48 | themill | nowhereFast: are you really running both machines with a hardware clock that's not UTC? |
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| 01:45.16 | beardy | Sounds like it. |
| 01:45.29 | nowhereFast | dunno wht the hardware is set on |
| 01:45.42 | nowhereFast | but the guest is set to mst |
| 01:45.49 | themill | beardy: I suspect your guess about TZs is correct though... is the VM set with UTC=yes or no? |
| 01:45.54 | beardy | nowhereFast: You probably have your RTC(hardware clock) set to local time, and have .. yes exactly. That causes thaqt. |
| 01:46.05 | beardy | nowhereFast: Set the hardware clock to UTC. |
| 01:46.33 | nowhereFast | okay, -hw clock to utc, time set right |
| 01:47.09 | beardy | Hardware clocks should always be in UTC unless you dual-boot a broken operating system. |
| 01:47.11 | nowhereFast | but if for whatever reason it is changed again in the future... do i have a way of having the guests unaffected by it? |
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| 01:48.11 | nowhereFast | other thn using ntpdate |
| 01:48.12 | beardy | nowhereFast: Set up the host to use ntp too. If it does it right it will save the time to the hardware clock at shutdown/reboot. |
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| 01:48.27 | beardy | Then it will run until the battery dies. |
| 01:48.43 | nowhereFast | okay |
| 01:48.59 | nowhereFast | and set ntp up on the guest, make no changes, and let it be... |
| 01:49.31 | beardy | Yep. Then it boot with synced hardware time, and take it on from there keeping it ntp-synced. |
| 01:50.02 | beardy | boots* takes* |
| 01:50.34 | nowhereFast | okay... |
| 01:51.11 | nowhereFast | if i cant get the hw clock changed... ntpdate on /etc/rc.local? |
| 01:51.30 | nowhereFast | i kno... not preferred, but will work? |
| 01:51.40 | beardy | No, as an @reboot cronjob, in root's crontab. |
| 01:51.49 | beardy | man 5 crontab, man 1 crontab |
| 01:52.10 | nowhereFast | okay |
| 01:52.21 | nowhereFast | why is ths preferred to /etc/rc.local? |
| 01:52.25 | beardy | Then ntpd will keep it synced. |
| 01:52.33 | nowhereFast | i see |
| 01:52.37 | beardy | Because it's not a Debian Way. |
| 01:52.43 | nowhereFast | it has to happen before ntpd |
| 01:53.03 | nowhereFast | okay, -lets try ths hardware thing first |
| 01:53.07 | nowhereFast | thanks for the help |
| 01:53.21 | nowhereFast | notes the Debian Way |
| 01:54.04 | beardy | (Not saying that way _is_ the only Good way, but it's how I'd do it.) |
| 01:54.26 | beardy | You're welcome. :) |
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| 01:57.36 | beardy | Well, it doesn't have to happen before ntpd starts. Preferebly it should happen as early as possible, but it's not possible to do it as early as one would like.. so it'd have to do to get it done whenever cron starts. |
| 01:58.19 | beardy | (You shouldn't be rebooting that often anyway, and there is no reason to change the RTC once set right.) </rant> |
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| 02:27.46 | johnfg | abrotman: Ok, sorry for my being gone to eat. Special permission needed to startx from a terminal? |
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| 02:48.28 | johnfg | abrotman: Solved! Here's what I had to do: dpkg-reconfigure x11-common and change my selection. |
| 02:49.17 | abrotman | uh, okay |
| 02:49.31 | abrotman | johnfg: wouldn't hvae guessed that, but okay |
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| 02:49.43 | kd123 | I'm trying to get a client to boot via nfs-server... |
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| 02:50.07 | kd123 | I've added this to /etc/exports |
| 02:50.59 | kd123 | '/srv/diskless/c1 192.168.10.0/255.255.255.0(rw,sync,no_root_squash,no_subtree_check)' |
| 02:51.14 | kd123 | then I ran 'sudo exportfs -a' |
| 02:51.14 | kd123 | to update nfs-server |
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| 02:51.58 | kd123 | then I restarted my nfs-server via sudo /etc/init.d/nfs-kernel-server restart |
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| 02:52.41 | kd123 | im my tftp config file I added this |
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| 02:53.15 | kd123 | 'kernel vmlinuz-2.6.32-5-amd64' |
| 02:53.25 | kd123 | 'APPEND root=/dev/nfs quiet panic=0 initrd=initrd.img-2.6.32-5-amd64 nfsroot=192.168.0.1:/srv/diskless/c1 ip=dhcp rw' |
| 02:53.59 | Pikkachu | do deb packages have standard/configurated permissions for their files or it just stores what's the original permission? |
| 02:54.19 | kd123 | but when my client boots... it successfully gets the IP via DHCP... and gets the kernel |
| 02:54.22 | Pikkachu | that is, a deb package can't be built from within a ntfs partiton? |
| 02:54.38 | kd123 | But it then says... It can't find the logical volume to boot |
| 02:54.57 | abrotman | Pikkachu: using cygwin ? or using what? |
| 02:54.59 | kd123 | Could some one please help me? Thanks |
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| 03:00.21 | kd123 | Could my issue be an FSTAB issue? |
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| 03:05.10 | Pikkachu | abrotman: linux, but I want to keep stuff in ntfs partition |
| 03:06.36 | simonlnu | kd123: sounds like you need to enable lvm somehow |
| 03:06.51 | kd123 | I don't see why there would be any issues with building a deb package in a ntfs partition |
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| 03:07.03 | kd123 | but, I've never done it |
| 03:07.24 | kd123 | simonlnu, well I installed lvm2... wouldn't that do it? |
| 03:07.56 | kd123 | I haven't set anything in my /etc/fstab file.... I assumed nfs-server would give the client the root directory to mount |
| 03:08.45 | kd123 | is that an incorrect assumption? |
| 03:09.30 | kd123 | plus... I'm not using any type of logical volume... it's just a straight directory '/srv/diskless/c1' |
| 03:09.39 | kd123 | why would lvm be needed? |
| 03:10.43 | Pikkachu | ok kd123 |
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| 03:11.18 | Pikkachu | so the permissions are configured in metafiles and/or default configurations, rather than gathered from the files themselves? |
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| 03:12.43 | Pikkachu | for example /etc/mypackage.conf is by default 664 or through some configuration, rather than the original permission of etc/mypackage.conf |
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| 03:14.23 | kd123 | honestly Pikkachu... I'm not sure |
| 03:15.55 | Pikkachu | kd123: ok |
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| 03:23.30 | CcSsNET | could i have an invite to debian-arm. thanks in advance |
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| 03:25.17 | johnfg | I know linux mint debian is a rolling release. Any pure debian releases that are going to be rolling too? |
| 03:25.34 | CcSsNET | johnfg: its simple to do |
| 03:25.41 | kd123 | I don't think so johnfg |
| 03:25.47 | kd123 | there is aptosid... thats rolling |
| 03:26.03 | johnfg | I almost had disaster when installing lmde, and didn't get it going. |
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| 03:26.15 | CcSsNET | edit /etc/apt/sources.list, change squeeze to testing. aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade |
| 03:26.31 | CcSsNET | repeat secondary commands on an as needed basis |
| 03:26.35 | johnfg | kd123: So is that a release, aptosid? |
| 03:27.15 | kd123 | no It's an independent project, but It's based on Debian Sid |
| 03:27.22 | kd123 | but It is rolling |
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| 03:27.36 | kd123 | I've never used it, but I've heard of it |
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| 03:29.23 | CcSsNET | ive used it, its not horrible... id much rather use debian in the method as stated above though |
| 03:30.06 | digitteknohippie | hi. info in thread: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=77377 short of it... anyone know how to fix a broken apt that spits out errors from insserv about lsb tags, and dependancies/uconfigured? and is that really a situation that warrants complete reinstall? |
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| 03:30.40 | CcSsNET | digitteknohippie: every time ive seen apt broken i just gave up and reinstalled |
| 03:30.43 | CcSsNET | but... |
| 03:30.47 | CcSsNET | apt-get -f install |
| 03:31.12 | CcSsNET | and stop using apt-get after that and use aptitude update/aptitude install/aptitude dist-upgrade instead |
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| 03:31.26 | johnfg | CcSsNET: So are you running testing? |
| 03:31.28 | CcSsNET | it has never broken apt for me using aptitude. but apt-get always does for me |
| 03:31.39 | CcSsNET | johnfg: i have yes. currently not at the moment |
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| 03:32.14 | CcSsNET | currently im using debian stable on an openpandora (arm cpu) |
| 03:32.24 | CcSsNET | and sourcemage gnu/linux amd64 on my main pc |
| 03:32.30 | digitteknohippie | thnx for the tips CcSsNET. ~i'm more familiar with gentoo, so such tips are very much appreciated. |
| 03:32.47 | CcSsNET | digitteknohippie: yea no prob. ive seen u around ;) |
| 03:32.49 | Sazpaimon | does anyone have a oneliner to calculate estimated network utilization? |
| 03:33.05 | CcSsNET | Sazpaimon: vnstatd |
| 03:33.22 | Sazpaimon | CcSsNET, I was thinking more ghetto |
| 03:33.26 | CcSsNET | eh |
| 03:33.40 | CcSsNET | darkstat? |
| 03:33.41 | Sazpaimon | like some kind of ifconfig |grep | sleep |ifconfig |sed |
| 03:33.42 | CcSsNET | lol |
| 03:33.59 | CcSsNET | ah yea its probably possible ^ but im not poking around lol |
| 03:34.25 | CcSsNET | vnstatd works great on my router |
| 03:34.28 | Sazpaimon | run ifconfig, grep the TX bytes, sleep 10 seconds run it again, then run some fancy sed script to calculate it |
| 03:34.37 | CcSsNET | i even secluded it in its own user and gave it nologin |
| 03:34.57 | Sazpaimon | I personally use iftop |
| 03:35.05 | CcSsNET | ah |
| 03:35.16 | Sazpaimon | but i was wondering if there was a nice little command line oneliner to do it |
| 03:36.02 | CcSsNET | i assume so. these apps are most likely worth reading source to narrow down where to base ur code on |
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| 03:38.53 | CcSsNET | yay i finally seem to have gotten aptitude to install build-essential and kernel-package on my arm device |
| 03:39.00 | CcSsNET | ttyl all |
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| 03:40.39 | johnfg | Thanks for the help! ttyl! |
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| 03:42.26 | Mr_Queue | Slink or something is comeing with 7? |
| 03:42.39 | Mr_Queue | I can't remember... |
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| 03:45.26 | clone_of_saturn | Sazpaimon: perl -e'use List::Util "reduce";$n=0;while(1){$l=reduce {$a+$b} (`ifconfig`=~/(?<=bytes:)\d+/g);sleep 1;print($l-$n,"\n");$n=$l}' |
| 03:48.06 | kd123 | Does squeeze still have the package configure-debian??? |
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| 03:48.09 | kd123 | If so what does it do? |
| 03:49.03 | craigevil | configure-debian - central configuration program for packages using debconf |
| 03:49.53 | Sazpaimon | clone_of_saturn, ended up doing DOWN=`ifconfig eth0 | grep bytes | awk '{print $6}'|sed s/"bytes:"//` ; sleep 10 ; DOWNAGAIN=`ifconfig eth0 | grep bytes | awk '{print $6}'|sed s/"bytes:"//` ; echo $[(($DOWNAGAIN-$DOWN)/1024/1024/10)*8]Mbps |
| 03:50.01 | Sazpaimon | yours works too, though |
| 03:50.33 | kd123 | craigevil... so if I do a debootstrap installation and then run configure-debian... it will walk me through configure all the packages? |
| 03:50.43 | kd123 | edit: configuring |
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| 03:51.38 | craigevil | no clue, take a look at the description , install it and read the manpage |
| 03:51.55 | craigevil | its not installed by default |
| 03:52.36 | Ms_Queue | where might i fix the root cause of dual audio output to laptop speakers and headphones, i only want one. |
| 03:53.19 | kd123 | craigevil, ok thanks for the help |
| 03:53.36 | kd123 | Ms_Queue... it's an alsa issue |
| 03:53.48 | kd123 | maybe alsactl might have something |
| 03:55.18 | Ms_Queue | kd123, those channels are selectable from alsa i am confused. |
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| 03:56.28 | kd123 | Ms_Queue: you could try alsactl init' |
| 03:56.43 | kd123 | that will reset the card to the defaults... did it work originally? |
| 03:57.11 | Mr_Queue | kd123: I'm helping her, but we're a bit suck here. |
| 03:58.04 | Mr_Queue | kd123: This is a brand new machine, Debian out of the box has been working well.. This audio problem is unique. |
| 03:59.55 | Rusty1 | in terminal, type: alsamixer |
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| 04:00.35 | Sazpaimon | clone_of_saturn, thanks |
| 04:01.01 | Sazpaimon | i changed it a bit to calculate actual mbit values and its giving me weird readings slightly beyond my 100mbit cap |
| 04:01.28 | Sazpaimon | perl -e'use List::Util "reduce";$n=0;while(1){$l=reduce {$a+$b} (`ifconfig`=~/(?<=bytes:)\d+/g);sleep 5; printf("%.2f Mbps\n",(($l-$n)/1024/1024/5)*8,"\n");$n=$l}' |
| 04:01.48 | Sazpaimon | i also made it a 5 secnd sleep to try and get a slightly more accurate average |
| 04:01.57 | Sazpaimon | eh, an estimate is an estimate |
| 04:02.09 | Sazpaimon | thanks, though |
| 04:02.11 | clone_of_saturn | i'm not sure about the accuracy of ifconfig's numbers |
| 04:02.22 | Sazpaimon | I'm not either |
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| 04:03.36 | clone_of_saturn | if it's above what you should be limited to it probably includes packets that end up being dropped |
| 04:03.44 | Sazpaimon | Im thinking of sending my boss these numbers every week to remind him that he needs to get us more bandwidth |
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| 04:04.25 | Sazpaimon | im sure he'll love that |
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| 04:05.12 | clone_of_saturn | also it adds upstream and downstream so if you have 100mbps full-duplex you could in theory get up to 200mbps |
| 04:06.23 | Dulak | You could just setup mrtg and get a history and a pretty little graph that brings the point home. And it will be more accurate than the estimate ifconfig shows |
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| 04:06.52 | Sazpaimon | i never actually checked if we have seperate 100mbit caps going both ways |
| 04:07.18 | Sazpaimon | I never see iftop go above 95 or 96 |
| 04:07.24 | Sazpaimon | (for total) |
| 04:07.29 | Ms_Queue | Rusty1, still have dual output |
| 04:08.42 | Rusty1 | http://alsa.opensrc.org/TroubleShooting, Ms_Queue maybe something there can help |
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| 04:11.11 | Mr_Queue | Rusty1: that looks close, but I'm not so sure it will solve this... |
| 04:11.31 | Mr_Queue | Pretty weird problem. |
| 04:12.00 | Mr_Queue | Typically we are trying to make things produce sound not shut some up. |
| 04:13.27 | Mr_Queue | This should be kernel level, but debian KL is not doing well here. |
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| 04:16.59 | Blackcodefr | Hi, I have issues with Gitosis, I'm adding people's public keys but people can't clone repos and get prompted for a password. Any ideas why that could happen ? |
| 04:17.18 | Mr_Queue | perms dude. |
| 04:18.36 | foxtrot9 | I'm trying to setup my 3 eyefinity monitors on debian, anyone know a sample xorg.conf I can take a look at? |
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| 04:23.10 | kd123 | Foxtrot9 you need fglrx |
| 04:23.20 | kd123 | I'd get fglrx for backports |
| 04:23.25 | kd123 | edit: from |
| 04:23.26 | foxtrot9 | kd123: i was afraid of that |
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| 04:23.50 | foxtrot9 | kd123: i was hoping i'd get away by using open source ati drivers from backports |
| 04:23.52 | kd123 | Eh... I use backports fglrx... it works great |
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| 04:24.05 | nsadmin | what;s a eyefinity? |
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| 04:24.30 | kd123 | foxtrot9... I'm pretty positive open radeon drivers don't support it |
| 04:24.32 | foxtrot9 | nsadmin: amd/ati card that can support 3 monitors |
| 04:24.56 | foxtrot9 | doh, that was not what i was expecting to hear |
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| 04:25.10 | kd123 | foxtrot9, do you know how to install fglrx from backports? |
| 04:25.26 | foxtrot9 | kd123: sorta |
| 04:25.39 | Big_Brother | why is my laptop slowly checking for a DHCP address on boot? |
| 04:25.53 | kd123 | I don't use eyefinity though... so I'm still not sure if it works... I think backports fglrx version is Catalyst 11.4 |
| 04:26.16 | kd123 | so you might want to check AMDs website to see if Catalyst 11.4 supports eyefinity for your card |
| 04:26.22 | foxtrot9 | kd123: i'll try it |
| 04:26.23 | nsadmin | Big_Brother, it's afraid of failure? of success? |
| 04:26.49 | nsadmin | is there a dhcp server on your net? |
| 04:27.03 | Big_Brother | nsadmin: before GRUB, "PXE" will look for DHCP. :| |
| 04:27.05 | foxtrot9 | oh how come telinit 3 doesn't work in debian? |
| 04:27.31 | nsadmin | ahh, are you doing pxe? |
| 04:27.52 | Big_Brother | didn't opt for it if it was an option during install. |
| 04:27.55 | kd123 | foxtrot9, all you do to install fglrx from backports is add 'deb http://backports.debian.org/debian-backports/ squeeze-backports main contrib non-free' to your /etc/apt/sources.list file |
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| 04:28.35 | nsadmin | there was an old install of debian (or something else)? |
| 04:28.47 | Big_Brother | arch. |
| 04:28.49 | foxtrot9 | kd123: then use, sudo apt-get -t squeeze-backports install fglrx-driver fglrx-control fglrx-glx fglrx-atieventsd fglrx-modules-dkms |
| 04:28.59 | nsadmin | did you pxe on the arch? |
| 04:29.04 | Big_Brother | but i erased the partition of it before installing. shouldn't have been anything there. |
| 04:29.08 | Big_Brother | no /boot either. |
| 04:29.09 | kd123 | then run 'sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get -t squeeze-backports fglrx-control fglrx-driver' |
| 04:29.11 | VZ2iCarly | Hey all how to install canon mp250 in Debian |
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| 04:29.20 | kd123 | foxtrot9, yeah you got it |
| 04:29.24 | Pikkachu | Big_Brother: are you from Spain? |
| 04:29.25 | Big_Brother | nsadmin: this PXE thing is new to me... most likely. |
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| 04:30.00 | kd123 | foxtrot9, don't forget to run 'sudo aticonfig -initial -f' to generate your xorg.conf file... I think that's the command |
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| 04:30.03 | nsadmin | ok, you say this happens before grub starts? |
| 04:30.10 | Big_Brother | nsadmin: yes |
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| 04:31.49 | nsadmin | ok, I've personally not seen that... when you installed debian/s grub, were there options/questions about it? |
| 04:32.02 | VZ2iCarly | How to install canon mp250 printer in Debian? |
| 04:32.03 | foxtrot9 | kd123: do i need to remove the open source ati driver first? sudo apt-get remove --purge xserver-xorg-video-radeon |
| 04:32.24 | Big_Brother | no. it did mention i needed non-free firmware for my wifi. nothing about this pxe. |
| 04:32.25 | kd123 | foxtrot9, I didn't and mine works fine |
| 04:33.07 | nsadmin | nothing about installing grub in the mbr vs partition boot sector? |
| 04:33.18 | kd123 | Big_Brother... in bios is your Network card listed below your harddisk? |
| 04:33.21 | Big_Brother | it always mentions that, yer. |
| 04:33.25 | kd123 | in your boot order |
| 04:33.30 | Big_Brother | kd123: OG |
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| 04:33.32 | Big_Brother | OH |
| 04:33.42 | kd123 | :D |
| 04:33.47 | Big_Brother | well that explains everything |
| 04:33.55 | foxtrot9 | kd123: i got unmet dependencies, fglrx-driver : Depends: xorg-video-abi-6.0 |
| 04:34.27 | kd123 | Big_brother... do you have experience with diskless debian installations? |
| 04:35.01 | Big_Brother | kd123: yes. mind you last install of any linux system was over a year ago on said laptop. |
| 04:35.03 | kd123 | I'm having an issue where I'm booting via PXE and dhcp and tftp work fine... my kernel loads, but... It won't mount my nfs filesystem |
| 04:35.21 | Pikkachu | Big_Brother: ah nevermind, it's that I was watching Big Brother... |
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| 04:35.37 | Big_Brother | a show? |
| 04:35.38 | Pikkachu | will debuild fail if I patched the source tree? |
| 04:35.41 | foxtrot9 | kd123: but xserver-xorg-core is installed, and that offers this package |
| 04:35.44 | Pikkachu | yes a show |
| 04:35.48 | VZ2iCarly | Can someone pm me with detail on install mp250 printer in Debian? |
| 04:35.52 | kd123 | Foxtrot9, really??? I don't think I had that unmet dependency |
| 04:35.54 | nsadmin | yeah, there's a reality show called that |
| 04:36.27 | nsadmin | put 10 pwoplw in a house and watch them backstab each other |
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| 04:37.17 | Pikkachu | there's also another reality show "Debuild Not Your Brother" |
| 04:37.51 | kd123 | foxtrot9, so it won't let you install fglrx? and you're drawing it down from backports? |
| 04:38.03 | foxtrot9 | kd123: yes, i think a i found a post on it |
| 04:38.12 | foxtrot9 | kd123: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=69627 |
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| 04:38.34 | kd123 | VZ2iCarly... you're print may not be supported by CUPS... install cups and then try to setup your printer... it'll list the supported printers |
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| 04:39.33 | foxtrot9 | kd123: strange I can't install it |
| 04:39.41 | kd123 | foxtrot9... yeah hmm |
| 04:39.54 | kd123 | well you could try purging xorg-radeon... then installing |
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| 04:40.15 | kd123 | but you'll drop to terminal |
| 04:40.51 | foxtrot9 | kd123: nope didn't work |
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| 04:41.03 | kd123 | you purged xorg-radeon? |
| 04:41.14 | foxtrot9 | kd123: sudo apt-get remove --purge xserver-xorg-video-radeon |
| 04:41.31 | kenifanying | hi all, I install texlive-xetex using aptitude. but when i run the test " xetex opentype-info.tex ", I get some error, see http://paste.debian.net/160285/ ,any suggestion? sorry for my english! |
| 04:41.36 | kd123 | hmmm |
| 04:41.59 | nsadmin | apt-get doesn't get rid of unused stuff, maybe you have to dig |
| 04:42.30 | nsadmin | what version of debian do you run? |
| 04:43.36 | kd123 | foxtrot9... what version of xorg-video-api did you have installed before? Greater than 6.0 or less |
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| 04:44.48 | quint | how can i modify the motd? |
| 04:45.07 | foxtrot9 | kd123: i don't think i ever had that package installed |
| 04:45.57 | foxtrot9 | kd123: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=641621 |
| 04:46.00 | foxtrot9 | kd123: its a bug |
| 04:46.22 | kd123 | foxtrot9, I don't know what to tell you.... I guess you could do a fresh install of squeeze and try to install fglrx from backports again... if it still demand xorg-video-api, you could try to pull it from wheezy or sid I guess |
| 04:46.39 | foxtrot9 | hmm |
| 04:47.45 | nsadmin | is wheezy where the api 6 is? |
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| 04:48.47 | somiaj | to run the fglrx from backports you will need to also install the xorg from backports |
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| 04:49.56 | foxtrot9 | somiaj: i thought i did install xorg from backports |
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| 04:50.11 | somiaj | foxtrot9: apt-cache policy xserver-xorg |
| 04:51.01 | foxtrot9 | somiaj: Installed: 1:7.6+8~bpo60+1 |
| 04:51.13 | kd123 | how can I tell what IP my NFS server running on? |
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| 04:52.12 | kd123 | I have two eths... eth0 and eth1... does it run on both? |
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| 04:53.40 | nsadmin | it? |
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| 04:54.03 | nsadmin | oh your nfs server |
| 04:54.28 | nsadmin | why do you have 2 eths? |
| 04:54.49 | nsadmin | do you use them both? what do you use them for? |
| 04:55.45 | somiaj | foxtrot9: apt-cache policy xserver-xorg-core |
| 04:56.00 | somiaj | foxtrot9: apt-cache show xserver-xorg-core (That should tell you what abi versions you support) |
| 04:56.13 | nsadmin | you have a routing table in your kernel, which interface is used should be determined by that |
| 04:57.07 | kd123 | nsadmin... I'm trying to setup cluster that's why I have 2 eths |
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| 04:57.19 | kd123 | This is the error I get after it loads the kernel |
| 04:57.33 | kd123 | 'List of all partitions:' |
| 04:57.47 | kd123 | 'No filesystem could mount root, tried:' |
| 04:58.11 | kd123 | 'Kernel Panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,255)' |
| 04:59.02 | nsadmin | root fs not specified? |
| 04:59.20 | nsadmin | driver for fs not present? |
| 04:59.31 | nsadmin | driver for disk controller hardware not present? |
| 04:59.35 | kd123 | well... I set it in fstab |
| 04:59.59 | nsadmin | to? |
| 05:00.05 | kd123 | /dev/nfs / nfs defaults 0 0 |
| 05:00.35 | kd123 | and in /etc/exports... I have... '/srv/diskless/c1 192.168.0.10/255.255.255.0(rw,sync,no_root_squash,no_subtree_check)' |
| 05:01.06 | nsadmin | not sure what /dev/nfs is. if nfs is the type, you want to put the name of an nfs share there |
| 05:01.13 | kd123 | and in my /srv/tftp/pxelinux.cfg/default file I have 'append rw panic=0 root=/dev/nfs ip=dhcp nfsroot=192.168.0.0:/srv/diskless/c1' |
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| 05:03.10 | kd123 | nsadmin... ok I'm a little confused... what would I put there? |
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| 05:04.21 | nsadmin | sec, coffee |
| 05:04.37 | kd123 | ok |
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| 05:09.33 | kd123 | hmm... do I need like 192.168.0.0:/dev/nfs ??? in my fstab? |
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| 05:13.58 | nsadmin | 192.168.0.0 should be the ip or the server |
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| 05:14.28 | nsadmin | and the :/path/to/something should be the exported path |
| 05:15.42 | kd123 | right 192.168.0.0 is my server |
| 05:15.49 | kd123 | the client is 192.168.0.10 |
| 05:16.31 | kd123 | I was just thinking... I simply copied my vmlinuz-2.6.32-5-amd file from my server /boot directory to my client /boot directory |
| 05:16.47 | kd123 | could that be causing the issue? |
| 05:16.52 | nsadmin | well 192.168.0.0 is your net address... you need to set the server to one of many host addresses |
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| 05:17.27 | kd123 | so like 192.168.0.1 |
| 05:17.28 | kd123 | right? |
| 05:17.38 | the_tux | http://pastebin.com/AnCXb56d what the probleme ? |
| 05:17.58 | nsadmin | if your netmask is 255.255.255.0, the two addresses you cannot user are 192.168.0.0 and 192.168.0.255 |
| 05:18.26 | nsadmin | because as mentioned the former is your net address and the latter is your broadcast address |
| 05:19.03 | kd123 | nsadmin... ok.... I see.. my eth0 device is set as 192.168.0.1 |
| 05:19.07 | nsadmin | kd123, yeah, if no other machine has 0.1, that would be a good address for the server |
| 05:19.09 | kd123 | so that would be my server ip |
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| 05:19.24 | kd123 | that's what I have my dhcp server set to |
| 05:19.29 | kd123 | 192.168.0.1 |
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| 05:19.49 | nsadmin | yeah, 0.0 would address all the machines in that subnet |
| 05:20.47 | kd123 | nsadmin... ok so maybe the problem lies in the fact that my tftp default file has 'append rw panic=0 root=/dev/nfs ip=dhcp nfsroot=192.168.0.0:/srv/diskless/c1' and not 'append rw panic=0 root=/dev/nfs ip=dhcp nfsroot=192.168.0.1:/srv/diskless/c1' |
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| 05:21.28 | nsadmin | I just don';t know what this /dev/nfs is |
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| 05:22.55 | kd123 | ok... well let me see if I understand this correctly... nfs-server takes what's in /etc/exports, for me /srv/diskless/c1/ and serves it 192.168.0.10 |
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| 05:24.07 | nsadmin | so maybe the nfs share is 192.168.0.1:/srv/diskless/c1 |
| 05:24.29 | kd123 | now when the client boots it's fed via TFTP that it's root is on NFS.... via the append command of root=/dev/nfs/ |
| 05:24.53 | kd123 | and the nfsroot append command tells the client where to look on the network for its nfs root? |
| 05:25.04 | kd123 | nsadmin... yeah that's what I'm thinking |
| 05:25.32 | nsadmin | you might want to put a machine to test the nfs mount |
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| 05:25.52 | kd123 | let me fix the nfsroot command to 192.168.0.1:/srv/diskless/c1 and see if it can grab the root then |
| 05:26.00 | kd123 | how would I do that? |
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| 05:27.25 | nsadmin | I dunno about the cluster stuff or much about nfs root, I may have done it once a long time ago |
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| 05:29.04 | kd123 | ok changing the nfsroot command to 192.168.0.1:/srv/diskless/c1 didn't work... |
| 05:29.14 | kd123 | thanks for your help nsadmin |
| 05:29.35 | kd123 | so what's in the vmlinuz-2.6.32-5-amd64 file? |
| 05:29.45 | nivad | Where is a good reference for the arm branch of Debian? |
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| 05:30.20 | kd123 | is that independent of the initrd.img-2.6.32-5-amd file in boot? |
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| 05:33.03 | nivad | Anyone using ARM? |
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| 05:34.10 | kd123 | nivad, http://www.debian.org/ports/arm/ |
| 05:35.33 | nsadmin | , file bin/nfsroot |
| 05:35.40 | judd | No packages in squeeze/i386 were found with that file. |
| 05:36.03 | kd123 | nsadmin, what's 'bin/nfsroot' |
| 05:36.03 | kd123 | ? |
| 05:36.21 | nsadmin | I was trying to find that command |
| 05:36.51 | nsadmin | when you say nfsroot, what is that and in what file is it mentioned? |
| 05:37.28 | kd123 | well... its in my TFTP config file |
| 05:37.35 | nsadmin | oh ok |
| 05:37.51 | nsadmin | would that be on the server or client? |
| 05:37.56 | kd123 | on the server |
| 05:38.04 | nsadmin | ok |
| 05:38.43 | nsadmin | on one of the machines in your net, try this as root: |
| 05:38.54 | kd123 | could it be my client kernel doesn't have NFS enabled? |
| 05:39.06 | kd123 | ok |
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| 05:39.58 | nsadmin | mount -t nfs 192.168.0.1:/srv/diskless/c1 /mnt |
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| 05:41.23 | kd123 | oh well... I can't issue that command because I only have these two computers hooked up... and the client is diskless and without an os |
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| 05:42.01 | nsadmin | ok, let's try the degenerate case, try it on the server |
| 05:43.04 | nsadmin | or another, if you have like a laptop or anything, hook it up, set its ip and try it |
| 05:43.18 | kd123 | that same command will mount it... even thought the server eth0 has the same ip |
| 05:43.34 | kd123 | nsadmin... good idea let me grab my laptop |
| 05:44.06 | nsadmin | kd123, so you tried that and it worked? |
| 05:45.11 | kd123 | no I didn't try the mount command on the server... |
| 05:45.13 | kd123 | I will now |
| 05:45.22 | nsadmin | cool... :) |
| 05:45.41 | kd123 | it works |
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| 05:45.47 | nsadmin | great |
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| 05:45.55 | nsadmin | that rules out a lot |
| 05:46.02 | kd123 | ok good :) |
| 05:47.03 | nsadmin | so now, I still don't know what this /dev/nfs thing is... this would have to be on the client, right? |
| 05:47.47 | lasers` | nsadmin: Nice. I'm here about to ask questions about NFS because I wanted to stop using samba. :3 |
| 05:48.15 | kd123 | nsadmin: here are the two websites I'm looking at http://mindref.blogspot.com/2011/03/debian-diskless.html |
| 05:48.22 | kd123 | and http://gabeortiz.net/2009/debian-diskless-cluster-howto/ |
| 05:48.24 | nsadmin | nfs -might- be faster than samba, I dunno |
| 05:48.58 | nsadmin | you still have that nfs mount on the server? exists /mnt/dev/nfs |
| 05:49.00 | nsadmin | ? |
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| 05:49.58 | kd123 | no there's no /mnt/dev/nfs |
| 05:52.11 | kd123 | wait... this has got to be an issue with my initrd.img file.... |
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| 05:53.11 | lasers` | I'm going to try and set up NFS for first time. Do I want NFSv4? |
| 05:53.11 | nsadmin | maybe the initrd doesn't have nfs mounting? |
| 05:53.15 | kd123 | look at step 5 here.... http://mindref.blogspot.com/2011/03/debian-diskless.html |
| 05:53.29 | kd123 | mkinitramfs -d /etc/initramfs-pxe -o \ /srv/tftp/initrd.img-`uname -r` `uname -r` |
| 05:53.50 | kd123 | nsadmin... that's my guess, but here's my problem now.... |
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| 05:54.50 | kd123 | my nfs server uses encryption and lvm2... I my client doesn't |
| 05:54.59 | nsadmin | lasers`, you would want an nfs version that you can get server for and also supported by the client kernel nfs module (which would be used in mount -t nfs ...) |
| 05:55.47 | kd123 | so the initrd.img file will prompt via lvm... I tried to copy my server initrd.img file to my client and it tried to use lvm2 |
| 05:55.56 | nsadmin | if vers 4 is supported by (say) 2.6.32, I'd say you're good if you can get the server for it |
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| 05:56.40 | kd123 | so... I guess now I have to compile my own kernel for the client? or do I just need a new initrd.img file? |
| 05:56.56 | lasers` | nsadmin: I want to set up NFS on my computer so two of XBMC-on-HTPC can access them. I have been using samba but from what I read, nfs is better and more native with linux (less overhead). Plus I want to learn. Why not? :) |
| 05:57.30 | lasers` | nsadmin: I want to know if nfs4 is pretty common, I see nfs-kernel-server (I'm kinda lost since I'm coming in NFS fast) |
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| 05:58.35 | nsadmin | XBMC-on-HTPC, I have no idea for that |
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| 05:58.54 | lasers` | nsadmin: I'll go with it. See if I can set it up without any problems. |
| 05:59.22 | nsadmin | do you understand /etc/exports? remember that nfs needs portmapper |
| 05:59.34 | nsadmin | probably on both sides, not sure |
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| 06:00.37 | lasers` | nsadmin: No, but I'll follow this guide. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SettingUpNFSHowTo (and) http://wiki.xbmc.org/index.php?title=NFS#NFS_sharing_from_Linux |
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| 06:01.47 | tarzeau | good morning. haha best today: http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2733029&cid=39400215 |
| 06:03.02 | nsadmin | tarzeau, you good with the whole pxe boot/tftp/nfs root thing? |
| 06:03.24 | lasers` | nsadmin: I see. I'll ping you tomorrow (or ask in here) if I run into any problems. |
| 06:03.41 | tarzeau | nsadmin: we use it at work, yes |
| 06:03.44 | nsadmin | nfs is tricky |
| 06:03.54 | tarzeau | nfs is easy, smb is tricky |
| 06:04.06 | cheako | Hello any DD around to help me with a few questions? I'm running over the upgrading-checklist and I'm wondering if I can remove "set -e" from my init.d. The document says "a possible exception" and I wonder if I qualify. My script needs to create a folder in /var/run and this is difficult enough without having to bother with -e. |
| 06:04.20 | nsadmin | nfs is tricky, smb must be practically impossible :) |
| 06:04.35 | cheako | nsadmin: you got that right. |
| 06:05.00 | kd123 | so how can I generate a new initrd.img file with nfs boot enabled and everything else set to default? |
| 06:05.19 | nsadmin | tarzeau, does nfs vers 4 need portmapper... at all? on server? on both server and client? |
| 06:05.34 | cheako | kd123: I've wondered this also, like for a migration. |
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| 06:06.22 | kd123 | cheako.... yeah I'm trying to get a client to nfs boot... but the initrd.img doesn't have nfs enabled, but it has other things enabled I don't want like lvm |
| 06:06.23 | nsadmin | the debian thing that generates initrds should be able to do it |
| 06:06.41 | kd123 | mkinitramfs? |
| 06:06.44 | cheako | I'd make a /fake/ NFS root with just the first folders (/etc,/var,/usr,/boot,/proc... and then bond mount the system into them. |
| 06:06.54 | nsadmin | that might be the one |
| 06:07.02 | lawltoad | hey, im new to the whole apt-get build-deps deal, is there a way to clean everything up afterwards? or a way to sandbox the whole thing so after i build i can remove all of the cruft? |
| 06:07.12 | cheako | Now you can run update-initrd and it's say "Holly ...." I need the NFS junk. |
| 06:07.17 | tarzeau | nsadmin: haha good question, i didn't look at nfs4 at all yet |
| 06:07.28 | cheako | ..chroot into the folder to run update-initrd. |
| 06:07.31 | nsadmin | oh, what vers do you use? |
| 06:07.33 | kd123 | so mount my install file.... then chroot into it... then run update-initrd |
| 06:07.42 | tarzeau | nsadmin: the old ones, 3? it just works |
| 06:08.01 | nsadmin | so maybe it doesn't need portmapper? |
| 06:08.05 | cheako | kd123: Yes. |
| 06:08.15 | tarzeau | nsadmin: it always has needed one, what says google about it? |
| 06:08.29 | tarzeau | nsadmin: i can't imagine it suddenly doesn't need one anymore... but tell me if 4 is much better |
| 06:08.38 | nsadmin | haven't asked yet; will momentarily |
| 06:08.41 | kd123 | cheako, I have nothing in my client /boot directory... don't I need my vmlinuz file? |
| 06:08.43 | tarzeau | nsadmin: nfs is an invention of a company that went bankrupt... haha |
| 06:09.03 | kd123 | and then how will it know I need nfs? |
| 06:09.04 | tarzeau | i so wish sun went to software around 95 with the openstep stuff. idiots |
| 06:09.08 | nsadmin | sun... cause it uses nfs and sunrpc |
| 06:09.27 | cheako | kd123: That's where "mount --bind /boot /fake/boot" takes care of things, ohh use --rbind. |
| 06:09.32 | nsadmin | syntax error... :) |
| 06:09.59 | cheako | each folder you bind should be as empty as any other mount point. |
| 06:10.39 | cheako | You'll need to bind dev proc sys and boot at the vary least. I guess the others could just /be/ your NFS root. |
| 06:11.01 | kd123 | what's rbind??? read-only bind? |
| 06:11.02 | kd123 | I don't want to change the initrd.img on my server.... |
| 06:11.25 | nsadmin | you shouldn't need to |
| 06:11.40 | cheako | kd123: recursive bind. It's needed for /proc and /sys where they have mounts inside of emm. |
| 06:11.43 | nsadmin | the server boots fine, yes? |
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| 06:12.16 | cheako | kd123: Then don't bind /boot but copy it. However you need to work out how you are going to server these files. |
| 06:12.33 | kd123 | nsadmin, yeah server boots fine |
| 06:12.43 | cheako | ...I just assumed you wanted to boot from your current /boot. |
| 06:13.03 | nsadmin | kd123, btw, a thought... do the clients absolutely have to be diskless? it seems to me that if they are, you're going to get a lot of net traffic |
| 06:13.06 | kd123 | cheako... I'm booting via pxe |
| 06:13.32 | kd123 | nsadmin, yes unforunately they do |
| 06:13.39 | cheako | kd123: Then you'd want to rbind or mount your pxe to /fake/boot. |
| 06:13.53 | cheako | or copy the files out later. |
| 06:14.04 | nsadmin | can you test the cluster with disks in the clients then remove them later? |
| 06:14.58 | kd123 | nsadmin, no :P |
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| 06:15.49 | nsadmin | right now you're trying to solve a lot of problems, each of which can contribute to failure at the same exact point (the boot in this case). the above suggestion is more generally to separate the problems to eliminate having to think about all at once |
| 06:15.49 | kd123 | ok so my /root for my client is on my servers hard disk.... so I bind /dev via 'sudo mount -o bind /srv/diskless/dev' |
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| 06:16.21 | kd123 | then I mount sysfs via 'sudo mount -t sysfs sysfs /srv/diskless/sys' |
| 06:16.39 | nsadmin | I'm pretty sure mkinitramfs can have modules specified |
| 06:16.50 | kd123 | then I mount proc via 'sudo mount -t proc proc /srv/diskless/proc' |
| 06:17.06 | nsadmin | otoh, you could also recompile kernel with nfs in the kernel |
| 06:17.24 | kd123 | so how do I bind my pxe to my /srv/diskless/boot? |
| 06:17.30 | lawltoad | cheako, a fake nfs root? |
| 06:17.35 | cheako | kd123: No, you need rbind as /dev has /dev/shm and devpts /dev/pts mounts. |
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| 06:18.19 | kd123 | ok -rbind thanks cheako |
| 06:18.26 | cheako | kd123: Use --rbind for proc and sys, don't remount them... AFAIK. |
| 06:18.33 | nsadmin | oh good :) people who know more than me :) IT'S COFFEE TIME!! |
| 06:18.44 | kd123 | thanks nsadmin for the help :) |
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| 06:19.19 | nsadmin | we at least found out your nfs server werks :) |
| 06:19.29 | kd123 | yeah :) |
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| 06:20.12 | cheako | kd123: You can copy/rsync your /boot into /srv/diskless/boot. Just copy the files into pxe after you run update-initrd on em.. |
| 06:20.36 | cheako | ...is /srv/diskless an NFS mount or NFS export? |
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| 06:20.42 | kd123 | ah ok I see now.... |
| 06:20.54 | kd123 | huh /srv/diskless is on the server root |
| 06:21.12 | kd123 | edit: uhh... not huh |
| 06:21.36 | kd123 | I'm doing this on the NFS server cheako |
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| 06:22.19 | cheako | kd123: You can't, you must either have the server be a client to it's self(not sure about that) or use a client to do this on. |
| 06:22.29 | cheako | ...at least not that I know of. |
| 06:23.10 | cheako | Perhaps you want to use debbootstrap instead of copying files from your NFS server? |
| 06:23.35 | cheako | This will create a base system with /boot and every thing for you. |
| 06:23.35 | nsadmin | "client to do this on" could make catch-22 situations |
| 06:23.43 | kd123 | cheako... yeah I've already debootstrapped an installation into /srv/diskless/c1 ... which is my client directory |
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| 06:24.13 | cheako | kd123: Cool and there is no kernel? |
| 06:24.19 | kd123 | no |
| 06:24.36 | cheako | nsadmin: That's what usb boot disks are for. |
| 06:24.38 | kd123 | I copied my kernel over to my TFTP directory... and the client boots and fetches it fine |
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| 06:24.49 | kd123 | the server kernel |
| 06:24.53 | burhan | I have 8 servers, and I would like to setup a local apt archive box for them. Which is the _least complicated_ way of doing this. I need the local apt server to sync itself automatically, and provide all packages for only one arch, but for non-free as well. |
| 06:25.05 | burhan | I was looking at dak but I feel it is overkill for what I want. |
| 06:25.17 | kd123 | server and client use the same kernel... but I need a different initrd.img file for the client |
| 06:25.31 | cheako | kd123: Yeah, sorry I told you to do that. This is something you -can- do on the server. chroot into the new system and apt-get a kernel :) |
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| 06:26.23 | cheako | You'll need proc and dev and the kernel will be configured initially to boot the server, but the update scripts can correct that later. |
| 06:26.26 | kd123 | cheako, that's no problem thanks for the help... ok so I'll fetch a kernel |
| 06:26.47 | kd123 | so I --rbind proc and dev first |
| 06:26.50 | cheako | proc dev and sys. |
| 06:26.54 | kd123 | ok |
| 06:26.55 | cheako | Correct. |
| 06:27.03 | kd123 | let me do that |
| 06:28.22 | kd123 | would this be a correct command? 'sudo mount --rbind /dev /srv/diskless/c1/dev' |
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| 06:30.14 | kd123 | It's throwing the error: 'mount: mount point /srv/diskless/c1/dev does not exist' |
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| 06:32.02 | kd123 | hmm well /srv/diskless/dev is already populated... |
| 06:32.03 | cheako | kd123: That dosn't sound like bootstrap worked. |
| 06:32.18 | kd123 | wait.. my client was running... that would populate it right? |
| 06:32.49 | cheako | kd123: Hmm? |
| 06:33.00 | kd123 | ok client is down.... still populated |
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| 06:33.27 | kd123 | maybe I should just delete this install and install from scratch |
| 06:33.29 | cheako | A bind mount on a client would do nothing for the other boxes. |
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| 06:33.38 | cheako | ...or any other type of mount. |
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| 06:34.02 | kd123 | wait wait |
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| 06:34.45 | kd123 | I was issuing the command and I was already chrooted into the install |
| 06:34.48 | kd123 | ugh... |
| 06:35.03 | cheako | ahh. |
| 06:35.08 | kd123 | but my /srv/diskless/dev is still populated.... can I just rbind my server /dev over it? |
| 06:35.15 | cheako | I've done that. |
| 06:35.46 | cheako | kd123: Correct, that's a good idea. This way there is always at least something there. |
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| 06:35.55 | kd123 | ok |
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| 06:36.11 | kd123 | that worked /dev rbound |
| 06:36.13 | cheako | It's old school to have a static /dev, but it's sure nice sometimes. |
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| 06:37.00 | kd123 | so then mount --rbind sysfs sysfs /srv/diskless/sys will mount my sys right? |
| 06:37.19 | kd123 | edit: /srv/diskless/c1/sys |
| 06:37.48 | cheako | --rbind takes two arguments a source and destination, think of it as a phsudo copy. |
| 06:38.13 | cheako | "mount --rbind /sys /srv/diskless/c1/sys" |
| 06:38.21 | kd123 | ah ok |
| 06:38.55 | cheako | you can also move a mount, that's way cool in a pinch. |
| 06:39.09 | kd123 | I just did the same with proc.... mount --rbind /proc/diskless/c1/proc |
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| 06:39.19 | cheako | :) |
| 06:39.24 | kd123 | edit /proc between rbind and destination |
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| 06:39.38 | kd123 | how do you move a mount? |
| 06:39.51 | cheako | now you can chroot and basically work with it as though it was the host system. |
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| 06:39.56 | cheako | --move |
| 06:40.08 | kd123 | ah ok that's nice to know thanks |
| 06:40.18 | kd123 | ok I'm chrooted in |
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| 06:40.45 | kd123 | '/boot' is empty |
| 06:41.00 | kd123 | so now apt-get a kernel via 'apt-get install linux-image'? right |
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| 06:41.38 | cheako | If you need to geat really fancy with a chroot, you can bind mount in folders like /tmp(this give you access to any running X servers) and places in /var/run line /var/run/nscd gives access to the passwd and shadow files if the host is running nscd. |
| 06:41.57 | konverguoju | hello, what's the name for IM client unifying all sorts of IM services : skype, facebook, gtalk, icq, ... etc? |
| 06:42.22 | cheako | kd123: Correck. |
| 06:42.25 | kd123 | cheako... wow |
| 06:42.37 | kd123 | cheako thanks for the tips |
| 06:43.14 | cheako | I had one chroot so jacked that I was running gnome-panel applets in the chroot talking to the panel running on the host system. |
| 06:43.52 | ws2k3 | hello. |
| 06:43.55 | cheako | konverguoju: I use empathy, but pidgin also does that. |
| 06:44.02 | kd123 | wow lol |
| 06:44.27 | ws2k3 | my dedicated server went down for the 3th times this month. where should i find why it went down ? |
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| 06:44.50 | cheako | At that time lenny was frozen and had a few new applets I wanted to use on my stable system. |
| 06:45.08 | kd123 | ok here's a question.... I mounted my server's /dev , but my client doesn't have the same hardware.... will this effect anything? |
| 06:45.18 | cheako | schroot was good sent for doing that, it's a sudo-like wrapper around chroot. |
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| 06:46.14 | cheako | kd123: Hmm. exports has roles for what to do on mounts in the exported folder. |
| 06:46.27 | thousand | cheako: pidgin doesnt support skype :[ are you aware of any other that does? |
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| 06:47.21 | kd123 | thousand... I haven't heard of any opensource program supporting skype |
| 06:47.33 | cheako | thousand: Nothing but skype does skype and skype uses your bandwith for it's own whims. Stop using it. |
| 06:47.50 | thousand | kd123: hah, what about non-open source? :] |
| 06:48.02 | craigevil | the web app imo works with skype chat but no voice/video |
| 06:48.11 | kd123 | no lol... cheako's right |
| 06:48.50 | ws2k3 | my dedicated server went down for the 3th times this month. where should i find why it went down ? |
| 06:49.05 | kd123 | ws2k3... maybe in your /var/logs directory? |
| 06:49.13 | cheako | thousand: There are tools that talk to running skype using windows IPC, but other then that skype is a complete and total black box... You'll never know what -else- it's doing on your box. |
| 06:49.17 | thousand | heh, I know it uses my bandwith, why would I stop using it because of that? I'm not using it to the fullest anyway |
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| 06:50.18 | ws2k3 | kd123 should i look into the syslog ? |
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| 06:50.47 | cheako | thousand: Your ISP paus for it's bandwith and thus if you run skype your rates will be higher and even worse you'll raise the rate of others in your community driving you all into the slums. |
| 06:50.48 | thousand | yea, I know about imo, but I don't like the web interface, I like it running on my computer... |
| 06:51.14 | kd123 | ws2k3, well it might have logged the reason it went down... I'm just guessing... I have no background in your issue |
| 06:51.32 | LordShiva | what sip client do you use cheako ? |
| 06:51.45 | cheako | ws2k3: last is the tool to see who issued a reboot or halt. |
| 06:51.46 | LordShiva | Ekiga is cool |
| 06:51.54 | thousand | cheako: these aren't the times where internet is that pricey |
| 06:52.01 | LordShiva | asterisk :) |
| 06:52.24 | LordShiva | asterisk is hotter |
| 06:52.25 | cheako | LordShiva: sip can go extinct for all I care also, XMPP only here. |
| 06:52.59 | LordShiva | for video conferencing ? |
| 06:53.10 | thousand | I'm sure there was some freeware that unifies all the IM services including skype :] gotta start googling ;D |
| 06:53.16 | cheako | LordShiva: jingle works. |
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| 06:53.22 | ws2k3 | hmm found nothing there |
| 06:53.29 | ws2k3 | the system is just emty from on that moment |
| 06:53.41 | LordShiva | kopete |
| 06:53.43 | LordShiva | on debian |
| 06:53.49 | craigevil | google+ does video/voice |
| 06:53.55 | cheako | thousand: If skype had leaked it's code or if some one had reversed it I'd know. |
| 06:53.59 | LordShiva | unifies all |
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| 06:54.25 | cheako | ws2k3: I like uptimed, look into it. |
| 06:54.45 | LordShiva | what client do you use thousand |
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| 06:55.38 | LordShiva | you have xmpp with a google and facebook on kopete |
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| 06:56.23 | cheako | LordShiva: Thanks for that, but it uses skype as a binary blob... correct? Still it's cool. |
| 06:56.33 | ws2k3 | cheako when i run it nothing happens |
| 06:56.42 | cheako | thousand: kopete |
| 06:56.51 | LordShiva | yeah but thousand want a skype isnt it ? |
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| 06:57.13 | N1x | hi guys |
| 06:57.24 | N1x | i need upgrade kernel , from 2.6 to 3.2 |
| 06:57.32 | Guest73683 | i'll lose data during upgrade? |
| 06:57.40 | Guest73683 | or any configuraiton in my system? |
| 06:58.05 | LordShiva | Nlx and Guest73683 are same ? |
| 06:58.06 | cheako | ws2k3: Run what? last, should print at the vary least your su activity.... unless you use sudo and it dosn't log correctly. |
| 06:58.12 | LordShiva | ok just upgrade |
| 06:58.19 | LordShiva | no loosing of data |
| 06:58.46 | cheako | ws2k3: uprecords is the uptimed command, when you first install it's kinda useless. |
| 06:58.49 | LordShiva | if you use somefirmware like myself realtek ethernet card you need to install firmware |
| 06:59.02 | Guest73683 | LordShiva: ? |
| 06:59.06 | LordShiva | yes |
| 06:59.12 | ws2k3 | ok thx |
| 06:59.28 | ws2k3 | which is the currently kernel in debian ? |
| 06:59.42 | thousand | LordShiva, cheako : I'm using skype by itself, yet sometimes I find myself having to use GTalk, so I'm looking for the multi-chat client, yea, thanks I'll have a look at them. Is there anything I should worry about about installing KDE packages onto GNOME desktop environment? |
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| 06:59.53 | cheako | ws2k3: Yeah, uptimed will record when your box stopped working down to 30seconds(it's logging interval) |
| 07:00.09 | ws2k3 | ok thx |
| 07:00.11 | LordShiva | nope thousand |
| 07:00.13 | kd123 | thousand... no they should work fine in Gnome |
| 07:00.31 | LordShiva | you can install it without worrying |
| 07:00.34 | kd123 | I'll just get the kde libs |
| 07:00.45 | thousand | great, thanks :] |
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| 07:01.00 | ws2k3 | what is the current kernel for debian ? |
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| 07:01.11 | cheako | thousand: Another 300MB of stuff, just guessing about the size but it an't small. |
| 07:01.15 | kd123 | 2.6.32-5 |
| 07:01.58 | LordShiva | for amd64 3.2.6.1 |
| 07:02.06 | LordShiva | taht is sid |
| 07:02.11 | ws2k3 | hmm ok |
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| 07:02.33 | cheako | any DD around, how to implement logrotate in a debian pkg? |
| 07:03.04 | LordShiva | ws2k3, you want to upgrade kernel ? what processor you run ? |
| 07:03.28 | somiaj | cheako: #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net. Could ask there. |
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| 07:07.08 | craigevil | cheako, closer to 150mb unless you install things like konq, dolphin |
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| 07:08.36 | kd123 | cheako, ok I got the linux-image and it also installed initramfs-tools... when it was installing initramfs-tools it auto generated my /boot/initrd.img, but it throws the error: |
| 07:08.48 | kd123 | df: Warning: cannot read table of mounted file systems: No such file or directory |
| 07:08.57 | kd123 | is this an issue? |
| 07:08.58 | nsadmin | cheako, I thought theres a program that does log rotating |
| 07:09.08 | nsadmin | , info logrotate |
| 07:09.09 | judd | Package logrotate (admin, important) in squeeze/i386: Log rotation utility. Version: 3.7.8-6; Size: 41.9k; Installed: 100k |
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| 07:11.25 | nsadmin | the basic deal is you want to be invisible to the thing generating logs, don't delete the log file, copy it then truncate the one the daemon opened |
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| 07:11.56 | cheako | craigevil: Still that's enormous for one app. I love filelight, but it(KDE) was the thing making the circle half red. |
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| 07:12.14 | cheako | crying. |
| 07:12.46 | craigevil | is a kde fan, had to remove openjdk7 some idiot decided pulling in half of gnome was a depends |
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| 07:15.17 | cheako | craigevil: We need to stop this. I'm not sying there can be only one, but there needs to be an abstraction layer for application developers so there apps run both... Like BSD libc and glibc, many applications will run both. |
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| 07:15.57 | kd123 | well.... initramfs-updates wouldn't see the mounts I have listed in /etc/fstab in a chroot right? |
| 07:16.06 | kd123 | so the error it's throwing I can ignore? |
| 07:16.29 | kd123 | but does it know from my fstab file it needs NFS enabled? |
| 07:16.53 | cheako | kd123: Correct, you have the chroot NFS mounted and in the chroot /etc/fstab is correct for NFS mount? |
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| 07:17.50 | kd123 | well I'm chrooted into /srv/diskless/c1... which is the root for my client... |
| 07:17.53 | cheako | kd123: That's where you need one NFS client to mount the NFS to get the NFS root tools to detect / as being an NFS mount point. |
| 07:18.00 | kd123 | but I'm doing this on the server |
| 07:18.20 | kd123 | in my fstab I have listed : '/dev/nfs / nfs defaults 0 0' |
| 07:18.25 | craigevil | hey im with you i dont know why there cant be a base set of libs or even shared libs for kde/gnome, or why a simple app like gedit or openjdk pulls in half a DE |
| 07:18.37 | cheako | kd123: you'll need to try and mount it on the server then... I recommend getting another box and doing this part there. |
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| 07:19.24 | kd123 | cheako.... hmmm.... ok how about this.... I create Desktop/temp_comp.... then I mount via this command |
| 07:19.27 | michaelis | Hi. I have an Asus G53SW with 64-bit CPU on which I want to install Debian. Which image should I download, the IA64? |
| 07:19.50 | kd123 | mount -t nfs 192.168.0.1:/srv/diskless/c1 Desktop/temp_comp |
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| 07:20.01 | kd123 | then I remount /proc /sys /dev to Desktop/temp_comp |
| 07:20.09 | kd123 | then I run initramfs-update -u |
| 07:20.11 | craigevil | michaelis, amd64 |
| 07:20.19 | cheako | kd123: update-initd will query / to discover where it's mounted, if that comes back as being /dev/LVM/something then it says "root is on a local disk." |
| 07:20.19 | kd123 | does that sound like it would work? |
| 07:20.36 | michaelis | craigevil? amd64 even though it's an Intel CPU? |
| 07:20.47 | kd123 | michaelis, yes :) |
| 07:20.49 | craigevil | michaelis, yes IA64 is different |
| 07:20.53 | craigevil | !amd64 |
| 07:20.53 | dpkg | amd64 is the Debian architecture optimized for x86-64, aka AMD64. Consider using Debian i386 on x86-64 machines if you do not have a good reason to use Debian amd64. The AMD64 architecture also supports running Debian i386 with either a -686 or -amd64 kernel. Intel Core 2, Core i3/i5/i7 and Xeon (since 2004) systems are x86-64. http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ #debian-amd64 on OFTC and freenode. See also <why amd64>. |
| 07:21.24 | michaelis | It trust your word. Thank you very much. |
| 07:21.24 | cheako | kd123: Provided the NFS mount works, then yes that's a go. |
| 07:21.44 | kd123 | cheako.... ok yeah it does let me try that |
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| 07:22.46 | michaelis | Is the first CD sufficient to install the OS with GUI support or do I have to get the first DVD? |
| 07:23.07 | kd123 | michaelis, you need the DVD |
| 07:23.21 | kd123 | there's one for Gnome and one for kde and one for xfce |
| 07:23.21 | michaelis | kd213: Thank you. |
| 07:23.46 | michaelis | kd123: I only want Gnome. I love Gnome. :D |
| 07:23.52 | kd123 | ok :) |
| 07:24.39 | Big_Brother | !pack java 1.7 |
| 07:24.45 | Big_Brother | !package java 1.7 |
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| 07:25.06 | Big_Brother | !help java 1.7 |
| 07:25.10 | Big_Brother | aha |
| 07:25.25 | cheako | !info java |
| 07:25.36 | cheako | ?? |
| 07:25.38 | cheako | hmm. |
| 07:25.55 | craigevil | michaelis, you only need the dvd if you dont have internet, otherwise use the netinstall cd |
| 07:26.05 | craigevil | !openjdk |
| 07:26.05 | dpkg | OpenJDK is the open source release of <Java> from Sun Microsystems (now Oracle America). All required functionality (according to the J2SE spec) is present, but some optional stuff is missing and some stuff uses different implementations from Oracle's binary JDK. Install the openjdk-6-jre package for the runtime environment or openjdk-6-jdk for the development kit. http://openjdk.java.net/ #openjdk on irc.oftc.net. |
| 07:26.11 | cheako | no pkg java. |
| 07:26.15 | thousand | sucks, there aint no freeware IM clients available for linux that would support skype |
| 07:26.20 | kd123 | cheako, how do I release rbind? |
| 07:26.49 | kd123 | sudo umount /src/diskless/c1/dev.... won't work :P |
| 07:26.50 | cheako | kd123: unmount /srv/diskless/c1... |
| 07:27.07 | kd123 | umount: /srv/diskless/c1/dev: device is busy |
| 07:27.11 | cheako | ohh, you need to take out the mounts under it. |
| 07:27.23 | kd123 | would -r work? |
| 07:27.29 | cheako | cat /proc/mounts to see what folders are used as mount points. |
| 07:27.33 | kd123 | like sudo umount -r /directory |
| 07:27.37 | cheako | I wish. |
| 07:27.40 | michaelis | craigevil: Actually I have internet but it's through an 7.2 Mbit USB dongle so it's easier to download the DVD, especially when your at work with a REAL internet connection! |
| 07:27.43 | cheako | Never tried it. |
| 07:27.48 | kd123 | lol ugh |
| 07:28.42 | kd123 | -r doesn't work :) |
| 07:29.09 | kd123 | ok so I have to do them seperately? |
| 07:29.15 | kd123 | that works |
| 07:29.45 | michaelis | craigevil: And there's also an 10GB limit which I don't want to reach on one day. |
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| 07:30.25 | michaelis | By the way, does anyone know then Debian will ship with Gnome 3? |
| 07:30.29 | Big_Brother | before i blow my lid again in a few minutes, does anyone know where to get java 1.7 for 32bit debian? |
| 07:30.31 | michaelis | then=when |
| 07:30.41 | craigevil | michaelis, when Wheezy is released as stable |
| 07:30.53 | kd123 | ok well I can unmount /proc/fs/nfsd, /dev/shm, and /dev/pts.... but not /proc, /sys, and /dev |
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| 07:31.11 | craigevil | Big_Brother, if by 1.7 you mean Oracle and not openjdk7 , download it from Oracle |
| 07:31.18 | michaelis | craigevil: Great. I have to run Fedora 16 at the moment which I don't want to. |
| 07:31.49 | michaelis | craigevil: What's the ETA on a stable Wheezy? |
| 07:31.51 | craigevil | Big_Brother, there is a howto on forums.debian.net, not much to it |
| 07:32.20 | craigevil | michaelis, supposed to enter freeze sometime this summer, prob be frozen at least 6 months |
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| 07:32.58 | michaelis | Ok. Thanks for the info. |
| 07:33.36 | craigevil | Big_Brother, im using Oracle's 1.6.0.31 didnt see the need for 1.7, java version "1.6.0_31" |
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| 07:34.22 | Big_Brother | craigevil: a certain server jar needs 1.7. otherwise it's a broken mess. |
| 07:34.32 | kd123 | cheako, what will happen if I leave /proc, /sys, and /dev mounted... i can't get them to unmount? |
| 07:34.35 | cheako | kd123: You need todo this outside the chroot :) or rather it's better, I guess you can see why. Also installing daemons can cause them to start, this prevents unmounting. |
| 07:34.56 | kd123 | cheako... yeah I am outside chroot :) |
| 07:35.00 | cheako | lsof can save you here. |
| 07:35.03 | kd123 | I learned my lesson :) |
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| 07:35.08 | craigevil | michaelis, if you are used to running fedora you might want to install testing/Wheezy that will give you Gnome3 |
| 07:35.16 | cheako | try lsof +D /bla/bla/dev |
| 07:35.31 | kd123 | ok |
| 07:35.40 | kd123 | do I need sudo power? |
| 07:36.41 | cheako | yes, for lsof. |
| 07:37.00 | kd123 | ok so it generated a list... ? |
| 07:37.10 | kd123 | sorry, I'm confused... how does this umount? |
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| 07:37.19 | mjt | it doesn't |
| 07:38.05 | cheako | kd123" lsof should say pid number to kill. |
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| 07:38.44 | cheako | Yeah, those applications are using files that prevent you from unmounting. Give them a kill. |
| 07:38.50 | kd123 | I need to kill all the processes lol |
| 07:38.56 | kd123 | there's like 100 of them :) |
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| 07:39.04 | cheako | hmm, wrong /dev? |
| 07:39.15 | kd123 | nope /srv/diskless/c1/dev |
| 07:39.32 | kd123 | it lists my dhcp server |
| 07:39.36 | kd123 | my tftpd server |
| 07:39.42 | kd123 | xchat, etc ... |
| 07:39.51 | mjt | and init? |
| 07:39.58 | cheako | ohh, yeah! |
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| 07:40.08 | cheako | Never mind, you can't use lsof for that then. |
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| 07:40.17 | kd123 | cheako :) |
| 07:40.23 | kd123 | mjt... yes init too |
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| 07:41.51 | kd123 | takes a long stick and tries to pry /srv/diskless/c1/dev out of mounts grip |
| 07:42.35 | kd123 | should I just reboot to get it to release? |
| 07:42.40 | cheako | I got it :) |
| 07:42.44 | kd123 | ok |
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| 07:43.33 | cheako | http://pastebin.com/mxELhkVP |
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| 07:46.13 | michaelis | craigevil: I'm not used to Fedora but I'm forced to use it since I want to learn GTK programming in Gnome 3. But maybe the library is available in current stable Debian release? I have also tried the Wheezy testing release but I didn't get past the first screen, choosing language, in the installation procedure. |
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| 07:47.23 | kd123 | I see the link I'm still confused :P sorry.... where do I get "$ech"? everything listed under 'cat /proc/mounts' that is mounted to '/srv/diskless/c1'? |
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| 07:48.39 | kd123 | do I just run 'readlink "$ech" | grep -v'^/$' && echo $ech |
| 07:48.42 | kd123 | ? |
| 07:48.52 | craigevil | michaelis, the testing installer is in a perpetual state of brokeness, install stable base>upgrade to testing>then install gnome3 |
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| 07:53.05 | kd123 | brb... down for reboot... |
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| 07:54.23 | michaelis | craigevil: Tried that to. After that the OS didn't boot. But maybe I did it all wrong. |
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| 08:05.44 | kd123 | Back! |
| 08:06.13 | kd123 | ok so now I ntp mounted /srv/diskless/c1 and ran update-initramfs -u |
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| 08:06.54 | kd123 | it generated the initrd.img and I copied that and the vmlinuz over to my tftp directory |
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| 08:08.05 | kd123 | now I'm editing the /srv/tftp/pxelinux.cfg/default file to append my initrd.img file |
| 08:08.12 | submarshal | how do i blacklist modules again? i have a .conf with blacklist *module name* in /etc/modprobe.d/ but it's still loaded on boot. |
| 08:08.57 | submarshal | hm, nm. for some reason the file had disappeared. |
| 08:09.32 | kd123 | ok added this line to tftp/pxelinux.cfg/defaults |
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| 08:09.36 | kd123 | 'append rw panic=0 root=/dev/nfs initrd=initrd.img-2.6.32-5-amd64 ip=dhcp nfsroot=192.168.0.1:/srv/diskless/c1' |
| 08:09.43 | kd123 | rebooting tftpd-hpa |
| 08:09.49 | kd123 | staring client... crosses fingers |
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| 08:15.42 | kd123 | ugh errror! lol |
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| 08:16.37 | kd123 | Ok so I think it's mounting it now |
| 08:17.12 | kd123 | Here's what it says "Mounting root file system. Begin: Running /scripts/local-top.... done. |
| 08:17.20 | kd123 | Begin: Waiting for the root file system.... |
| 08:17.20 | kd123 | " |
| 08:17.40 | kd123 | then it reboots and does it again and again |
| 08:17.51 | kd123 | ???? any thoughts? |
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| 08:20.26 | kd123 | well... I'm going to try this tomorrow... thanks all for the help |
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| 08:28.19 | cardiel | how can i setup fail2ban to use postfix to send email? is not enought to just change mta = postfix or? |
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| 08:29.53 | nsadmin | postfix is an mta, yes? |
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| 08:30.47 | cardiel | nsadmin, yes but fail2ban uses %(mta)s-whois-lines[name=%(__name__)s, dest="%(destemail)s", logpath=%(logpath)s] |
| 08:31.16 | roche | hello, 2 months ago i had to get the kernel from backports to have support for some driveres that where not in stable, how can i mark the package now so it doesn't get upgraded by backports anymore and just waits the update from stable ? |
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| 08:32.11 | ModestyBlaise | roche; comment out the backports section in your sources list |
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| 08:33.07 | roche | ModestyBlaise: i still wish to get upgrades from backports, i just don't want the kernel to get upgraded from there anymore |
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| 08:33.41 | ModestyBlaise | ah, it wasnt clear |
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| 08:34.14 | Kamping_Kaiser | dpkg pinning |
| 08:34.14 | dpkg | Pinning is a method to choose which version of a package to install when multiple versions are available from <sources.list>. Bugs are explained at http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/debian.html#errata . If you use stable, pinning won't help you from messing up the system, ask me about <backports> instead. http://wiki.debian.org/AptPreferences |
| 08:34.26 | sephii | babilen: I took some time to test obnam and burp. Both of them are great, I haven't decided yet which one I'm going to use. burp has the advantage of having a better structure (each backup has its own folder) and obnam has the advantage of being standalone (no server required). But if you're looking for a solution where you can browse/restore without requiring the tool you'll be disapponted since both of them use a chunked data structure (so you don't have di |
| 08:34.27 | cardiel | nsadmin, so it works with just adding postfix instead? |
| 08:35.58 | roche | Kamping_Kaiser: sounds good ty |
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| 08:37.57 | nsadmin | if your thing you want to mail with works by connecting to port 25 |
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| 08:38.56 | kripz | how can i run a command after the computer has fully finished loading? |
| 08:39.24 | vlt | kripz: /etc/rc.local might be a place to start. |
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| 08:40.58 | nsadmin | kripz, one way, wait for it to boot, log in, run the command |
| 08:41.27 | kripz | vlt, is rc.local only called once everything is done loading? |
| 08:42.10 | mjt | by default it is the last script being executed from /etc/rc2.d/* |
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| 08:42.14 | mah454 | I have qualcomm HSDPA GSM modem |
| 08:42.22 | mah454 | How can use this in debian ? |
| 08:42.22 | nsadmin | look at the scripts and see |
| 08:42.55 | gena2x | Hi. Do anyone know how to set environment variable globally for window manager and all X programs it runs? |
| 08:43.15 | nsadmin | mah454, is this an external box with power, internet and an ethernet port? |
| 08:43.47 | nsadmin | gena2x, every process has its own set of environment vars |
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| 08:44.22 | SNow | Hi, what's the package of wkxtohtml on debian? |
| 08:44.24 | mah454 | nsadmin, usb modem |
| 08:44.42 | nsadmin | watch your log, plug the thing in |
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| 08:45.30 | ksuhku | SNow, apt-cache show wkxtohtml |
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| 08:45.50 | SNow | No packages found. |
| 08:46.33 | nsadmin | , versions wkxtohtml |
| 08:46.35 | judd | No package named 'wkxtohtml' was found in i386. |
| 08:46.52 | mah454 | nsadmin, please view this : http://pastebin.com/TGHMr7aJ |
| 08:46.55 | nsadmin | perhaps under a different name? |
| 08:47.23 | ksuhku | what is that wkxtohtml? |
| 08:48.01 | SNow | invoice generator somekind of |
| 08:48.06 | SNow | coders told me to use that |
| 08:48.52 | gena2x | nsadmin: yes, set is own, but initial values they should be inherited from parent process |
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| 08:49.27 | gena2x | nsadmin: that's why it's useful to set some variables in window manager which is parent to all X programs |
| 08:49.45 | ksuhku | SNow, ask the coders then |
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| 08:50.48 | gena2x | basically i just want to set $LANG my /etc/default/locale seems just ignored... |
| 08:51.00 | nsadmin | gena2x, inherit happens when "export" |
| 08:51.43 | gena2x | nsadmin: it's pretty obvious. Now i only need to find the place where to put export LANG=XXX :) |
| 08:52.06 | nsadmin | what processes need that? |
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| 08:52.44 | gena2x | xterm |
| 08:53.02 | gena2x | it seem needs LANG to be set before it runs shell |
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| 08:53.28 | gena2x | and i guess like any other program |
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| 08:56.54 | myst1c | running Debian Squeeze, every 10-15 minutes without activity the screen goes blank. It's not going to screensaver, but stops outputting video to the screen. Power management options didn't work. |
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| 08:58.12 | gena2x | myst1c: have you tried xset s noblank? |
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| 09:03.26 | paranoidphreak | hi everybody, is there anyway to install "ubuntu one" in squeeze? |
| 09:03.54 | nsadmin | no idea. what's it do? |
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| 09:05.27 | paranoidphreak | it gives u access to 5gigs worth of space on a cloud that ubuntu offers |
| 09:06.08 | nsadmin | why would they be so generous as to offer that? under what conditions? |
| 09:07.22 | idimmu | cos if you want more than 5, you have to pay! omg business model |
| 09:07.29 | paranoidphreak | i dont know; it says 5gigs.......if you want extra, u have to pay |
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| 09:09.52 | jubei | hello.I need help with troubleshooting cron. For some reason my task does not run :/ |
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| 09:10.50 | nsadmin | put something in the task that does echo "I ran at $(date)" |
| 09:11.02 | nsadmin | and it should mail this to you |
| 09:11.03 | jubei | nsadmin: and that will show up in the syslog? |
| 09:11.04 | nsadmin | or |
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| 09:11.25 | jubei | that's also another problem, I haven't set up mail correctly so cron cannot mail me anything it seems :( |
| 09:11.47 | nsadmin | put something in the task that does echo "I ran at $(date)" >> /absolute/path/to/somefile.txt |
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| 09:12.30 | idimmu | is the cron daemon running, what happens if you do ps aux | grep cron |
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| 09:12.32 | idimmu | is it there? |
| 09:12.51 | joar | Is there a private streaming server for linux? I know I have heard of one, but I can't remember the name. |
| 09:12.54 | nsadmin | where /absolute/oath/to/ is writable by the user that scheduled the cron job |
| 09:12.58 | joar | It was primarily for music. |
| 09:12.59 | jubei | it's definitely running |
| 09:13.30 | nsadmin | joar, for lots of streaming servers, look at packages.debian.org |
| 09:13.33 | jubei | nsadmin: I scheduled a task as root , where can I see the task I scheduled? is there some file that lists them? |
| 09:14.04 | myst1c | gena2x that didn't work. it just put an x on my screen after the same amount of time |
| 09:14.19 | jubei | nsadmin: because I did crontab -e (as instructed by somebody here another day). wrote the cron line and saved it. But i dunno where to go look for it |
| 09:14.25 | petemc | jubei: mpd ? |
| 09:14.29 | petemc | joar: ^^^ |
| 09:14.34 | joar | petemc: YES! |
| 09:14.37 | joar | that's the one :) |
| 09:14.52 | joar | thanks petemc :) |
| 09:14.52 | petemc | :) |
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| 09:15.54 | nsadmin | oh great. here we go... |
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| 09:16.13 | bunny69 | i'm not going anywhere ;) |
| 09:16.42 | nsadmin | ok... so if you're here for debian support: |
| 09:16.54 | bunny69 | don't we all... |
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| 09:17.00 | nsadmin | !ask |
| 09:17.00 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 09:17.02 | joar | can anyone help me set it up?! I have vnc running but I need help forwarding ports first <- is that what you're thinking of? |
| 09:17.32 | bunny69 | of course, just state your problem, nsadmin |
| 09:18.16 | bunny69 | joar what part of port forwarding stuff you need help with? |
| 09:18.17 | nsadmin | and so that your interaction can be as efficient, deep and short as possible: |
| 09:18.26 | nsadmin | !sicco |
| 09:18.26 | dpkg | Please ask sicco questions, questions that are Specific, Informative, Concise, Complete, and On-topic. Ask me about <research> and <cooperation in asking for help>. |
| 09:18.34 | bunny69 | he he |
| 09:19.02 | joar | bunny69: It was parody, I know there's very kind people in here, but I really don't need help with it :) |
| 09:19.16 | bunny69 | okok... still sleeping here |
| 09:19.21 | joar | ;) |
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| 09:20.31 | jubei | petemc: mpd? |
| 09:20.42 | jubei | petemc: how is that relevant to cron? |
| 09:20.55 | nsadmin | that was for joar |
| 09:20.55 | joar | jubei: it was intended for me |
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| 09:21.13 | jubei | oh sry. |
| 09:21.41 | bunny69 | i recently discovered a kind of cron but for filesystem events :) pretty neat |
| 09:22.12 | myst1c | so i know i'm being supern00b, and i already posted my question, but i'm not sure how to directly message another user. I'm having a problem with power management. I'm running debian squeeze and after 10-15 minutes the screen goes black, cutting off video to the monitor. It is not the screensaver, altering power management options did not help, and i ran xset s noblank, which just made it turn into an x on the screen instead of it being a black screen |
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| 09:22.36 | bunny69 | why the damn invocation... being like 1/3 of the whole line :) |
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| 09:23.04 | joar | myst1c: is it after 10-15 minutes of inactivity or active usage? |
| 09:23.12 | bunny69 | myst1c isn't it bios related? there is such thing as blanking, too... at least here on lenovo machine |
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| 09:23.46 | nsadmin | a bunny AND a rabbit... |
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| 09:23.52 | bunny69 | ye.. |
| 09:23.53 | myst1c | inactivity. biostar motherboard and custom built machine. i don't believe it's BIOS related. |
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| 09:24.49 | myst1c | joar: inactivity. biostar motherboard and custom built machine. i don't believe it's BIOS related. |
| 09:25.06 | myst1c | bunny69 : inactivity. biostar motherboard and custom built machine. i don't believe it's BIOS related. |
| 09:25.12 | joar | myst1c: Yeah, I know nothing, just thought it would help to sort that out :) |
| 09:25.15 | bunny69 | i'm telling you the truth... even though everything related to blanking is disabled (screen savers and such) it still does black out after sometime of inactivity... and that's set in BIOS |
| 09:25.40 | bunny69 | please check that before we continue |
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| 09:27.50 | bunny69 | i have been trying to figure this out for the last 10 years... how come it's so quiet here with 1160 people in? |
| 09:28.19 | myst1c | bunny69: this didn't happen until recently. I was mainly using the machine for a media center, then switched to using it for a desktop. Uptime was about 10 days, and this was not a problem. I rebooted for some reason yesterday, and this started happening. My BIOS setting have had no change. |
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| 09:28.36 | bunny69 | oh i read you myst1c |
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| 09:28.57 | joar | bunny69: because they're debian users. They join once, and never reboot. |
| 09:29.07 | bunny69 | he he |
| 09:29.17 | bunny69 | or: they join and forget ;) |
| 09:29.23 | myst1c | i try to reboot as little as possible |
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| 09:29.38 | joar | yeah, that too, but the main thing is that their machines just keep running |
| 09:29.42 | nsadmin | my reboots are also little too |
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| 09:30.02 | idimmu | bunny69: sit here for 10 years and you'll be quiet too :) |
| 09:30.03 | bunny69 | 101 days uptime and it was 170 days before... |
| 09:30.06 | myst1c | any other suggestions, bunny? |
| 09:30.12 | joar | I have a bouncer on a VPS with 500+ days uptime |
| 09:30.23 | bunny69 | myst1c i'm trying... did you try to play with PM settings in debian? |
| 09:30.30 | joar | upgraded to wheezy this weekend, working fine. |
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| 09:32.03 | bunny68 | back :/ |
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| 09:32.52 | myst1c | bunny69 i did. I set both put computer to sleep and put display to sleep to never. i also disabled the screensaver. |
| 09:33.44 | bunny68 | could this be some extra settings for your gfx card? |
| 09:34.02 | myst1c | onboard video |
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| 09:34.44 | bunny68 | i would still try the BIOS... even though you never touched that |
| 09:34.54 | bunny68 | you have a big, shiny PM module in there |
| 09:35.04 | bunny68 | perhaps something "happened" |
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| 09:35.22 | myst1c | alright, i'll check it out. be back in 20 if it doesn't work |
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| 09:35.32 | bunny68 | it sucks to reboot but... |
| 09:35.39 | bunny68 | we just need to be SURE |
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| 09:44.06 | myst1c | no go on the BIOS |
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| 09:45.32 | nsadmin | Ghrim, did you boot from cd? can you burn a cd and do you have blanks? |
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| 09:46.04 | myst1c | bunny68: no go on bios |
| 09:46.11 | Ghrim | I used unetbootin with a brand new usb stick, and i dont have a cd drive, it's a netbook |
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| 09:46.51 | Ghrim | the exact error is 'No installable kernel was found in the defined APT sources' |
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| 09:47.44 | nsadmin | Ghrim, not sure this would work but... make sure there's nothing on the stick you need to save, and write the image directly to the stick |
| 09:47.49 | nsadmin | try to boot that |
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| 09:48.43 | nsadmin | like, if the stick shows up as sdb, then write the image to /dev/sdb (the guess I'm going by, is that netinst images are ready to boot) |
| 09:49.23 | Ghrim | not quite sure how to do that as i dont have a working linux system at the moment, but i'll try using unetbootin again |
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| 09:49.57 | nsadmin | what os do you have? and, you have more than one machine? |
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| 09:51.32 | nsadmin | bunny68, you decremented! what's up with that? |
| 09:51.58 | jelly | countdown to no bunnies |
| 09:52.23 | nsadmin | 69 bunnies of chocolate on the wall... |
| 09:52.41 | Arafangion | shoots one. |
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| 09:53.14 | Ghrim | im using my windows 7 desktop at the moment, and my netbook has nothing on as it got halfway through a debian install |
| 09:53.34 | nsadmin | bunny body shots! |
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| 09:53.50 | nsadmin | halfway? |
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| 09:54.35 | Oak | I just installed Debian using xfce+lxde CD iso, and now I need to install stuff. running a command like apt-get install xchat says Unable to locate package |
| 09:55.09 | BeastNZ | did u update first/ |
| 09:55.14 | Oak | first i need to configure ssh and remote desktop so I can access it from my laptop and configure it |
| 09:55.18 | Oak | nope |
| 09:55.26 | Oak | how do i do that BeastNZ ? |
| 09:55.32 | BeastNZ | apt-get update |
| 09:55.33 | BeastNZ | ? |
| 09:55.47 | Oak | done |
| 09:56.01 | BeastNZ | does it find xchat now? |
| 09:56.08 | Oak | nope, same message |
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| 09:56.32 | Oak | E: Unable to locate package chat |
| 09:56.33 | joar | Oak: how about an apt-cache search xchat? |
| 09:56.41 | hipodilski | hi after upgrade of debian stable htop stopped refreshing the process list, anyone who experienced the same? |
| 09:56.47 | BeastNZ | http://packages.debian.org/stable/xchat |
| 09:56.51 | Oak | no message |
| 09:56.59 | Oak | apt-cache command returns nothing |
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| 09:57.19 | BeastNZ | maybe it only works on gnome? |
| 09:57.19 | BeastNZ | :| |
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| 09:57.30 | X0Rc0re | would anyone here like to setup my OpenVPN on my VPS debian server? |
| 09:57.32 | afidegnum | irc://irc.dmehosting.com |
| 09:57.46 | afidegnum | X0Rc0re: I can assit |
| 09:57.51 | afidegnum | I even have one... |
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| 09:58.22 | nsadmin | afidegnum, brief question... |
| 09:58.29 | afidegnum | nsadmin: good moring :) |
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| 09:59.09 | nsadmin | when you set up a host for a customer, do you make it so their net has to be activated? |
| 09:59.41 | nsadmin | i.e., they can ssh into a console but the machine isn't connected to a net? |
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| 09:59.59 | afidegnum | oh... I don't do that... |
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| 10:00.29 | fasta | In Chome/Chromium it warns me all the time about PDF files, but I don't want that to happen. Can I disable that somewhere (perhaps on a site by site basis)? |
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| 10:00.46 | joar | !ot |
| 10:00.46 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
| 10:00.49 | afidegnum | nsadmin: normally a host should have a net connected |
| 10:01.03 | fasta | joar: it is shipped by Debian. |
| 10:01.21 | joar | fasta: no :) |
| 10:01.28 | nsadmin | do you have a control panel where different linuxes can be installed? |
| 10:01.30 | fasta | joar: define 'no'. |
| 10:01.50 | fasta | joar: because I can definitely do apt-get install chromium-browser. |
| 10:01.51 | joar | fasta: oh, 'chromium' |
| 10:02.01 | joar | fasta: I stand corrected. |
| 10:02.22 | joar | fasta: What kind of warning? |
| 10:02.44 | nsadmin | I'm asking because I was trying to help someone who may have ordered a host from you |
| 10:02.56 | Oak | oh help me guys |
| 10:04.02 | woshty | it tried that rt kernel in testing. did it just get into testing because it builds? is there a special debian page for that kernel's dev? |
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| 10:05.03 | fasta | joar: The file you are downloading might be dangerous to your computer... etc. |
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| 10:05.24 | woshty | i get either a string of soft lockups or a soft lockup followed by a panic - while starting cups during boot. |
| 10:05.32 | joar | fasta: I have never experienced that, but I'm using The Man's "Chrome". |
| 10:06.03 | klys | woshty: cupsys-bsd ? |
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| 10:07.35 | woshty | klys: hmm? cups with hplib. whatever i need to run hp printers and scanners. |
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| 10:08.06 | klys | woshty: cat /proc/interrupts | grep 7 |
| 10:08.17 | jubei | the man :) lol. It's funny how google went from being "do no evil" to being "the man". (sry offtopic) |
| 10:08.32 | woshty | klys: the panic says something like rt_mutex_top_waiter |
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| 10:09.14 | klys | woshty: is your drivr a .ps file? |
| 10:09.21 | klys | *driver |
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| 10:10.43 | woshty | klys: http://pastebin.com/49a3Lmvv and i do not have a clue what my driver is. |
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| 10:13.18 | klys | woshty: looks like you don't have anythong on IRQ7 |
| 10:13.32 | fasta | Is there any PDF join program which can join files by drag and drop? |
| 10:13.35 | klys | woshty: less /var/log/messsages |
| 10:14.10 | fasta | doesn't see how people building a GUI only support 'add one file at a time interfaces'... |
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| 10:15.23 | klys | fasta: you're dreaming of C |
| 10:16.35 | fasta | klys: ? |
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| 10:16.53 | woshty | klys: i am not running the rt kernel right now. usual 3.2 works fine. so there is no information in messages. what would you expect to be logged there? |
| 10:16.58 | fasta | klys: is that even supposed to mean anything? |
| 10:17.09 | fasta | klys: 'C' has tons of meanings in different contexts, |
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| 10:17.22 | fasta | klys: in this one, it is unlikely that a program is named 'C'. |
| 10:17.49 | fasta | klys: as such, I classify what you just said as garbage, sorry. |
| 10:18.34 | klys | woshty: works fine with CUPS ? |
| 10:18.47 | woshty | klys: yes |
| 10:19.08 | klys | woshty: and rtkernel logged nothing? |
| 10:19.09 | fasta | Ok, there is a program which does this :) |
| 10:19.25 | fasta | Is there some website where I can see user-ratings for all Debian packages? |
| 10:19.33 | hipodilski | my "top" command is not refreshing processes |
| 10:19.41 | hipodilski | I just upgraded my debian to latest stable |
| 10:19.41 | klys | ~popularity-contest |
| 10:19.44 | fasta | I think Ubuntu does this, and it is a great idea. |
| 10:19.48 | fasta | klys: that's not voting. |
| 10:19.50 | Oak | okay had to add entries in sources.list file, now apt-get install xchat workd |
| 10:19.58 | hipodilski | htop is also not refreshing the process list |
| 10:19.59 | fasta | klys: that's 'do users have it installed'. |
| 10:20.00 | Oak | no need to configure ssh, |
| 10:20.06 | Oak | any help available? |
| 10:20.14 | fasta | klys: and perhaps some 'do users use it'. |
| 10:20.26 | fasta | klys: not things like 'this software segfaults every 5 hours'. |
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| 10:21.50 | klys | fasta: bugtraq |
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| 10:22.52 | Arafangion | fasta: Why would you install a program if you don't use it? |
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| 10:24.06 | fasta | klys: you are clearly missing the point. |
| 10:24.18 | fasta | Arafangion: because I am lazy? |
| 10:24.22 | klys | well is there one? |
| 10:24.33 | Arafangion | fasta: Lazy would be not installing it at all. |
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| 10:24.38 | Trewas | Arafangion: for example because some metapackage depends on it, quite common with desktop environments at least |
| 10:24.40 | fasta | Is there anything to convert an 'encrypted PDF' into a PDF? |
| 10:25.07 | fasta | Apparently information intended for my own purposes is 'encrypted'. |
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| 10:25.15 | Arafangion | Trewas: That would blur the line. :) |
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| 10:25.35 | fasta | Which wonderful person is responsible for that crazy decision I may never know. |
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| 10:28.00 | Arafangion | fasta: Metapackages are convenient, though. |
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| 10:28.59 | fasta | I also find it so cute when GUIs silently fail to do what they are supposed to do and then output a message on stdout. |
| 10:29.31 | fasta | Imagine a user which has never heard about the term 'stdout' and observe the resulting mess. |
| 10:29.32 | afidegnum | nsadmin: I think I am the one you were trying to help :D |
| 10:29.45 | Iridos | fasta, yes, there is something to convert an 'encrypted PDF' into a PDF |
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| 10:30.01 | afidegnum | I was trying to go to the hosting irc channel to see if the staf members are available so they can help fix the issue for me.... |
| 10:30.45 | fasta | Iridos: and what? |
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| 10:31.21 | Iridos | sorry, only one question per day |
| 10:31.22 | Iridos | :D |
| 10:31.36 | Iridos | just kidding... pdftk for example |
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| 10:32.06 | fasta | Iridos: I would prefer 'pdftk' as a response next time without you being 'funny'. |
| 10:32.23 | fasta | Iridos: since I already installed it before you said it. |
| 10:33.09 | Iridos | well, I would prefer "thank you" instead of being chided for answering you |
| 10:33.23 | Iridos | seems we both don't get what we prefer, so time to move on |
| 10:33.40 | fasta | Iridos: and it doesn't work, because I need an 'owner password'. |
| 10:33.53 | fasta | Iridos: while I did not create the document, I am the 'owner'. |
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| 10:34.18 | fasta | Perhaps I should just annoy the living hell out of whoever sent me the document. |
| 10:34.23 | themill | indeed |
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| 10:35.03 | hipodilski | hi can someone help me after upgrade of debian my top command stopped displaying processes refresh |
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| 10:39.30 | Ghrim | I'm doing the net install, what does 'Laptop' or 'Standard system utilities' contain? |
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| 10:40.27 | Rabbit67890 | First, Laptop is laptop speific packages |
| 10:40.52 | Rabbit67890 | (battery control, laptop drivers, all the other important laptop things) |
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| 10:40.57 | jelly | Ghrim: /msg dpkg standard task, and also /msg dpkg laptop task |
| 10:41.32 | jelly | Rabbit67890: drivers are in kernel, and available even without that task |
| 10:41.45 | Rabbit67890 | yeah |
| 10:42.03 | Rabbit67890 | somehow need a caffine boost right now |
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| 10:45.38 | Oak | if i want my Debian desktop to be accessed using ssh from my laptop (locally), should i install ssh server on Debian |
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| 10:45.46 | idimmu | yes |
| 10:46.31 | Oak | apt-gett install ssh? |
| 10:47.03 | idimmu | openssh-server |
| 10:47.10 | Oak | okay |
| 10:47.13 | Oak | thanks |
| 10:47.24 | jubei | Anybody know why even if I did "apt-get remove sendmail" sendmail is still there? I do "service start sendmail" and it still starts ok… |
| 10:48.03 | jubei | hm.. I just realized a sendmail-bin package still exists :/ Maybe if I remove that |
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| 10:48.47 | tralala | jubei: how did you end up with sendmail? |
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| 10:49.13 | idimmu | is it really sendmail or is it just there for compatability? |
| 10:49.19 | jubei | tralala: postfix didn't deliver e-mail and I just installed sendmail without thinking about it much |
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| 10:50.04 | jubei | (I have experience with sendmail so I thought if I just install it everything might work as if by magic, obviously that was not the case) |
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| 10:51.42 | tralala | jubei: is this a serious mail server or a personal one? |
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| 10:52.27 | jubei | tralala: totally non-serious mail server, I only wanted to see the output of cron commands |
| 10:52.50 | jubei | tralala: and for some reason nothing was being delivered anywhere so I thought I'd try installing sendmail just in case it fixes things |
| 10:53.32 | jubei | tralala: essentially I was doing a .forward to my gmail and postfix had no chance of delivering stuff (as if gmail would let a NATted unknown host deliver messages to it) |
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| 10:55.09 | anger | Hi! |
| 10:56.01 | tralala | jubei: I use exim as a personal mailer and it works just fine |
| 10:56.11 | anger | I'm debugging network problems on a debian server, noticed that I'm not able to connect to a local port |
| 10:56.11 | llutz | jubei: why not just using nullmailer? |
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| 10:56.46 | jubei | now the problem is that there's something that spawns an sm-mta process every minute that tries to deliver stuff and pollutes my syslog. and it's pissing me off. Even though i uninistalled sendmail-bin, it keeps at it |
| 10:56.50 | anger | I ran "nc -l 6666" from the first terminal and "telnet localhost 6666" from the second, got connection refused |
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| 10:58.11 | jubei | llutz: no idea what that is but I'll look it up. thankyou |
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| 11:02.36 | geekou | hello everyone. does anyone know if it exists, under Linux (and/or specifcally under Debian), a tool/driver that allows to monitor the bandwidth used on a PCI Express bus ? |
| 11:02.43 | geekou | i found pcitop but it only works under IA-64 |
| 11:02.47 | geekou | I'm under an amd64 system |
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| 11:13.16 | balboah | any idea why my script in /etc/network/if-pre-up.d/ doesn't get ran? It works if I execute it manually |
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| 11:15.20 | cobra-the-joker | Hey guys ... how can i check the version of some package before i download it ? |
| 11:15.45 | geekou | cobra-the-joker: apt-cache show |
| 11:15.54 | cobra-the-joker | geekou: ok |
| 11:16.07 | tralala | balboah: does it have the proper name? names matter for .d scripts |
| 11:16.39 | balboah | tralala: it's for running iptables-restore, I named in iptables.sh |
| 11:16.46 | balboah | it* |
| 11:17.07 | CoolCold | uses iptables-persistent package |
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| 11:17.17 | CoolCold | it load rules on system startup, thouth |
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| 11:17.50 | tralala | balboah: so it's probably the name. See the manuals for the name requirements. |
| 11:17.51 | cobra-the-joker | geekou: how can i download a source-code of some package ? |
| 11:18.01 | balboah | tralala: thanks |
| 11:18.05 | balboah | CoolCold: that can be an alternative |
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| 11:18.11 | CoolCold | cobra-the-joker: apt-get source |
| 11:18.17 | tralala | balboah, you're welcome :-) |
| 11:18.21 | cobra-the-joker | CoolCold: ok nice |
| 11:18.25 | CoolCold | or dget http://lalalala.dsc |
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| 11:19.00 | babilen | tralala: Could you paste your script, information such as its permissions (ls -l, lsattr, ..) and your method of determining if it has been run or not? |
| 11:19.17 | CoolCold | often uses dget as there is no need to setup sources.list for testinging/unstable/other repo just to use apt-get source .. |
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| 11:20.08 | tralala | babilen: you mean balboah |
| 11:20.25 | babilen | tralala: Right, thanks ---- balboah ^^^^ |
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| 11:28.31 | woshty | how do i search for iceweasel in aptitude, just iceweasel, not iceweasel-*? |
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| 11:29.36 | tkw | hi, i have two identical webservers and i would like to loadbalance between them, like a NLB in windows, basically active/active with a shared virtual IP. how would i go about doing this with debian? thanks :) |
| 11:29.58 | tralala | woshty: try iceweasel$ |
| 11:30.13 | tralala | aptitude uses regexp search |
| 11:30.17 | __zero | does anyone know who does gsettings know which user is executing the command? |
| 11:30.21 | tralala | or rather does |
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| 11:32.37 | derebel | not sure if this is a gateway side or client side, im running debian using a 6to4 tunnel (tunnelbroker.net) configured to hand out addresses with radvd, a ubuntu client got an address 2001:470:1f04:31b:225:b3ff:fe66:ef7b but cant ping the gateway (2001:470:1f04:31b::2) |
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| 11:33.12 | zeev | Hi, how do I prevent apache from starting on its during boot on wheezy? (I prefer to start/stop it manually) |
| 11:34.04 | tralala | zeev: see if there is /etc/default/apache |
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| 11:34.25 | man_in_shack | waves |
| 11:34.58 | man_in_shack | i'm trying to create some backup dvds with k9copy and the resulting isos won't play in vlc |
| 11:35.13 | man_in_shack | i'm getting an assert error |
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| 11:36.03 | woshty | tralala: ah, thx .. is there by any chance a shortcut for "cancel pending actions"? |
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| 11:37.09 | man_in_shack | http://paste.debian.net/160302/ << that's the console output |
| 11:37.21 | man_in_shack | i'm on deb unstable |
| 11:37.41 | tralala | woshty: not that I can remember. I cancel pending actions by pressing 'g' and then ':' at the top level of the list |
| 11:37.50 | zeev | <tralala> : yes, there is /etc/default/apache2 ... what should I do with this? |
| 11:38.26 | tralala | zeev: there might be an option there that prevents apache from starting |
| 11:38.35 | tralala | oh, scratch that |
| 11:38.53 | tralala | it will prevent it from starting manually as well |
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| 11:39.28 | zeev | so, what should I do to be able to start it manully but not on boot? |
| 11:39.37 | tralala | zeev: you'll have to use update-rc.d |
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| 11:40.10 | tralala | to prevent it from starting at runlevel 2 |
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| 11:40.37 | zeev | do you have a command to execute? |
| 11:40.53 | tralala | man update-rc.d |
| 11:41.02 | zeev | ok |
| 11:41.19 | zeev | thank you very much |
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| 11:41.26 | tralala | zeev, you're welcome :-) |
| 11:41.33 | man_in_shack | bugs.debian.org isn't behaving for me :( |
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| 11:48.38 | iridos | zeev, mind that all that update-rc.d does is to create/delete the soft-links in /etc/rc*.d/ ... |
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| 11:55.16 | woshty | tralala: ah i will try that |
| 11:56.26 | iridos | so what's it with http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=662882 |
| 11:56.33 | woshty | does xfce sessionmanager need some kde related stuff or atime? |
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| 11:58.31 | iridos | oh, that's also fun Due to the non-disclosure of security patch information from Oracle, we are forced to ship this upstream version update of MySQL 5.1 into all releases that carry MySQL 5.1 |
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| 12:03.47 | zeev | tralala: update-rc.d disable 2 apache2 - is this correct? |
| 12:04.56 | nevyn | iridos: wtf. |
| 12:05.36 | nkuttler | iridos: isn't that what diff is for? |
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| 12:06.38 | afidegnum | nsadmin: are you there please? |
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| 12:07.05 | afidegnum | ok, can we install Debian via remote SSH ? |
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| 12:09.10 | nsadmin | afidegnum, maybe, assuming you can ssh into the machine's console |
| 12:09.20 | nkuttler | afidegnum: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Remote |
| 12:09.37 | afidegnum | yes, that's what I mean |
| 12:10.00 | nsadmin | nkuttler, is that right? you'd have to be able to ssh to the console? |
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| 12:11.14 | digitteknohippie | what's the normal procedure following an interrupted apt-get upgrade? |
| 12:11.32 | nkuttler | nsadmin: not sure how this works. i did it once years ago with a prebuilt installer |
| 12:11.48 | nkuttler | digitteknohippie: try apt-get -f install |
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| 12:16.08 | digitteknohippie | thnx nkuttler. alas, that's still giving me the same old output as in the pastebins in this thread. http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=77377 |
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| 12:17.33 | FDFlock | Has anyone been using Icedove and experiencing long stalls with IMAP? The program remains responsive and CPU usage very low, but it just can't fetch the e-mails, as if there are network problems (therer aren't). Sometimes it will load one or two e-mails after restarting Icedove, and then again the same problem. |
| 12:17.38 | FDFlock | It's a Gmail account, in case it matters... |
| 12:17.40 | FDFlock | fires up Wireshark |
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| 12:18.40 | afidegnum | what is the name of debian version 5> |
| 12:18.42 | afidegnum | ? |
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| 12:18.54 | afidegnum | is that the one called lenny ? |
| 12:20.03 | afidegnum | ? |
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| 12:20.57 | CoolCold | afidegnum: yes |
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| 12:21.12 | babilen | afidegnum: yes |
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| 12:24.27 | FDFlock | Wireshark doesn't show anything weird, but I'm not a networking guru. It seems that a single TCP session is used for everything. Any ideas? |
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| 12:25.50 | FDFlock | Is it a known problem with T̶h̶u̶n̶d̶e̶r̶b̶i̶r̶d̶ Icedove? |
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| 13:04.59 | ushaft | hi, after upgrading to isc-dhcp-server and isc-dhcp-server-ldap from dhcp3-server, my dhcp service no longer works. i use ldap for assigning addresses to machines. is it working for somebody? does the wheezy backport work for somebody? i would like to know |
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| 13:06.05 | ushaft | i use squeeze and isc-dhcp-server 4.1.1-P1-15 |
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| 13:08.39 | Camber | Hey all, I can't seem to get postfix to work, and the IT support guys ensure the port is open, how can I test? |
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| 13:09.07 | cockroach | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:09.56 | Camber | cockroach: Sorry for the dumb question, but what do you mean by my host? |
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| 13:10.02 | nsadmin | how can I establish a different default for the pastebin site used by pastebinit? complaints include: - crashes browser, - advertising when at the same time using capchas on recipients supposedly to prevent ads |
| 13:10.11 | nsadmin | how can I reset the default? |
| 13:10.20 | cockroach | Camber: the machine that is supposed to run postfix. |
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| 13:10.42 | cockroach | Camber: also, you'll have to do this from outside your network / the other side of the firewall |
| 13:11.59 | Camber | Thanks, it appears 25 is closed |
| 13:12.34 | cockroach | ok. if you didn't get any errors when starting postfix i would assume then that it's a firewall issue :) |
| 13:12.39 | Camber | Is 25 smtp? |
| 13:12.51 | nsadmin | yeah |
| 13:12.53 | cockroach | yep |
| 13:13.10 | nsadmin | grep 25 /etc/services |
| 13:13.20 | Camber | ok thanks, ok, I'll ask our IT guys to open 25 again |
| 13:13.40 | cockroach | good luck! |
| 13:13.52 | Camber | cockroach: Thanks, I might need it :P |
| 13:13.57 | cockroach | :) |
| 13:14.10 | themill | nsadmin: you can configure pastebinit in squeeze to use paste.d.n; that is already the default in wheezy |
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| 13:14.14 | tralala | you will need it - we don't tend to open ports easily |
| 13:14.49 | nsadmin | is there a config file that can be edited? |
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| 13:15.25 | themill | nsadmin: ~/.pastebinit.xml |
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| 13:15.25 | nsadmin | thanks :) |
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| 13:15.39 | benvei | does someone have a Idea how to run nginx + fcgiwrap? |
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| 13:18.54 | themill | nsadmin: /msg dpkg pastebinit confi |
| 13:18.56 | themill | g |
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| 13:23.17 | nsadmin | themill, oh, thanks for that too |
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| 13:23.54 | themill | nsadmin: in the great tradition of pastebinit, that is the full extent of the documentation of that file format |
| 13:24.45 | nsadmin | you mean the factoid? |
| 13:25.08 | themill | yes |
| 13:25.16 | nsadmin | ok, good enuf |
| 13:26.26 | jelly | is nobody@nowhere.org a legitimate placeholder in jabber world? |
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| 13:26.56 | themill | nfc |
| 13:27.27 | themill | I'd omit it from the config file if pastebinit didn't unconditionally require it even for pastebins that don't support a jabber id |
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| 13:29.31 | nsadmin | looks like p[astebinit needs a bit of work |
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| 13:29.54 | jelly | and perhaps a maintainer that doesn't only care about ubuntu |
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| 13:32.32 | nsadmin | there are at least two other pastebins at least one of which is really easy to package (think it is packaged in wheezy) nopaste |
| 13:32.45 | nsadmin | and the python folks have one too |
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| 13:34.16 | nsadmin | !pastebin config |
| 13:34.48 | Ghrim | im in the sudo group and the sudo group is in the sudoers file, why does it say im not in the sudoers file when i try and sudo? |
| 13:34.55 | nsadmin | !pastebinit config |
| 13:34.55 | dpkg | To configure pastebinit in squeeze to use paste.debian.net, echo "<pastebinit><pastebin>http://paste.debian.net</pastebin><author>$USER</author><format>text</format><jabberid>nobody@nowhere.org</jabberid></pastebinit>" > ~/.pastebinit.xml |
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| 13:35.03 | sephii | Ghrim: try to logout and login again |
| 13:35.12 | iridos | nkuttler, don't ask me... that's what security update mysql-package in squeeze says |
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| 13:36.27 | Ghrim | thanks, that worked :) |
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| 13:41.01 | ccrisan | if i have the tcp server and the client on the same machine, how can I make lsof or netstat list the both involved processes? |
| 13:41.41 | nsadmin | "the tcp server"? |
| 13:42.07 | ccrisan | nsadmin, "a tcp server", sorry |
| 13:42.21 | nsadmin | it seems yes, maybe netstat can do it |
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| 13:43.03 | ccrisan | nsadmin, will only show one line for that connection, whereas i would expect two "symmetric" lines |
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| 13:43.49 | nsadmin | what ports are mentioned by netstat when they are connected? |
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| 13:45.56 | ccrisan | nsadmin, netstat shows something like this: 127.0.0.1:9500 127.0.0.1:34153 27974/python |
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| 13:46.20 | thewanderer1 | ccrisan, I'd expect one part to be visible via netstat -tp while the other should be shown by netstat -tlp (just a guess) |
| 13:46.21 | iridos | ccrisan, $ nc -l -p 2000 #next window $ nc localhost 2000 |
| 13:46.30 | hoverbear | thinks gnome 3 needs a "Disable touchpad clicks only, not movement" while typing. |
| 13:46.40 | nsadmin | the last thing is the pid of a python? |
| 13:46.44 | iridos | ccrisan, $ netstat -an |grep 2000 ----> tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:40298 127.0.0.1:2000 ESTABLISHED tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:2000 127.0.0.1:40298 ESTABLISHED |
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| 13:48.08 | ccrisan | thewanderer1, nestat -tlpn doesn't mention anything about that source port |
| 13:48.10 | iridos | ccrisan, or in a pastebin http://pastebin.com/dFbeawsy |
| 13:48.24 | mntzn | How to figure out if 32 or 64 bit debian is installed? |
| 13:48.26 | ccrisan | nsadmin, yes, the last thing is the pid |
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| 13:48.39 | mntzn | uname -a :) |
| 13:48.49 | iridos | ccrisan, I dunno what you want... both ends visible |
| 13:49.06 | nkuttler | mntzn: dpkg-architecture |
| 13:49.26 | ccrisan | iridos, that's odd |
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| 13:50.30 | thewanderer1 | ccrisan, I am also seeing both ends with netcat |
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| 13:50.51 | mntzn | nkuttler: thanks but I think dpkg-dev needs to be installed |
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| 13:50.57 | mntzn | for it to exist |
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| 13:51.20 | educr0w | Hello, someone have an Asus EEE PC 1015PEM ? |
| 13:51.24 | ccrisan | thewanderer1, i followed iridos' example and... i am also getting the two entries... weird |
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| 13:53.22 | nsadmin | ccrisan, there's 2 ports involved, one per side, so supposedly you'd want two invocations of netstat... and, other folks already showd you how to get both in one |
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| 13:53.43 | thewanderer1 | uh, one netstat call is enough |
| 13:53.51 | zumph | anyone got advice on how to change the size of the parition that is currently running? |
| 13:53.54 | nsadmin | as demonstrated. |
| 13:54.06 | ccrisan | one netstat | grep seems to be enough in a normal case |
| 13:54.31 | nsadmin | I guess you would need netstat -a before the || |
| 13:54.53 | ccrisan | however i think i'm dealing with a weird connection problem here - in fact the tcp connection seems to be dead for a while, although netstat says it's ESTABLISHED |
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| 13:55.43 | ccrisan | netstat -an | grep 34153: "tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:9500 127.0.0.1:34153 ESTABLISHED" |
| 13:55.48 | nsadmin | does it come back by itself? |
| 13:55.49 | ccrisan | one line - how is this even possible? |
| 13:56.03 | ccrisan | nsadmin, nope, it's been like that for hours |
| 13:56.12 | thewanderer1 | ccrisan, what is your uname -a? |
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| 13:56.18 | nsadmin | so it seems to have died |
| 13:56.33 | ccrisan | thewanderer1, uname -a: Linux heide-pc 2.6.38-2-amd64 #1 SMP Thu Apr 7 04:28:07 UTC 2011 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 13:56.41 | cire_work | hi, we have a network with a dhcp server. This server has some ip ranges blocked. We do not know why. On some addresses, there are computers with ips set manually. I now would like to scan our network for machines with manual ips, which are turned off right now. This means, I want to get informed if a machine comes up in certain ip ranges. How would you do that? |
| 13:56.55 | thewanderer1 | ccrisan, hmm, that's non-standard... are you running grsecurity or renting a server from OVH? |
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| 13:57.26 | ccrisan | thewanderer1, it's our server, 100% managed by us |
| 13:57.45 | ccrisan | thewanderer1, what's non-standard in that? |
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| 13:58.08 | iridos | ccrisan, also, lsof -n |grep ^nc.*cisco #---> nc 7784 k 4u IPv4 4877261 0t0 TCP 127.0.0.1:cisco-sccp->127.0.0.1:40298 (ESTABLISHED) ----- nc 7962 k 3u IPv4 4877623 0t0 TCP 127.0.0.1:40298->127.0.0.1:cisco-sccp (ESTABLISHED) |
| 13:58.39 | thewanderer1 | ccrisan, as in 'your own kernel', does not look like from Debian repositories - so I asked if you may be running any custom patches influencing network connection visibility |
| 13:58.45 | ccrisan | iridos, lsof says exactly what netstat says in this case |
| 13:58.53 | iridos | right |
| 13:59.11 | iridos | lsof may refuse output for foreign processes if not run as root, so can fuser |
| 14:00.04 | hipodilski | is someone running latest stable debian here squeeze? |
| 14:00.07 | hipodilski | I have weird problem with top |
| 14:00.08 | iridos | but netstat only uses publicly available sources (if there's no things like grsec which I'm not sure about what info they block) so should always show all |
| 14:00.13 | hipodilski | command |
| 14:00.26 | hipodilski | I just want to check if someone have it too, I'm running 64 bit deb |
| 14:00.27 | ccrisan | thewanderer1, no custom patches applied to the kernel - only a little not-so-up-to-date version |
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| 14:01.28 | thewanderer1 | hipodilski, check bugs.debian.org/top -- it'd probably show up there if there was a problem. you can also describe it in a greater detail here... |
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| 14:04.49 | ccrisan | thewanderer1, it seems that one of my colleagues installed this kernel for a certain driver that wasn't available in 2.6.32 - this could be the problem :) |
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| 14:06.12 | nsadmin | you could try a backported 3.2.x kernel |
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| 14:07.01 | ccrisan | yeah, that's a good idea |
| 14:07.11 | nsadmin | what driver is it? |
| 14:07.13 | klys | if package: virtualbox-modules had made it from lenny to lenny-backports, I'd have a dependency for an rtlinux kernel |
| 14:07.45 | ccrisan | nsadmin, something for a SAS adapter |
| 14:08.05 | hipodilski | thewanderer1: I have described it already |
| 14:08.06 | nsadmin | if the package came from lenny, it would not ever have to go to lenny-backports |
| 14:08.20 | klys | nsadmin: squeeze then |
| 14:08.24 | hipodilski | I've upgraded to latest stable debian my sistem except apache packages |
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| 14:08.41 | hipodilski | the last package upgrade included libc |
| 14:08.55 | hipodilski | now top is simply not refreshing the processes window |
| 14:08.58 | hipodilski | it stays static |
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| 14:09.05 | hipodilski | like frozen |
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| 14:09.13 | hipodilski | I have no .toprc |
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| 14:09.31 | hipodilski | Linux soccerfame 2.6.32-5-amd64 #1 SMP Tue Jun 14 09:42:28 UTC 2011 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 14:10.07 | hipodilski | this is the kernel |
| 14:11.06 | iridos | cire_work, arpwatch (forgot the name, had to search for it) |
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| 14:11.54 | iridos | cire_work, that already existed before 2000... arpalert sounds like it does about the same thing |
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| 14:14.22 | iridos | (also not exactly what you asked, but I think you can get what you want from it) |
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| 14:17.32 | iridos | zumph, have good backups of everything.. then probably (might not be possible for some filesystems) gparted from a live-cd + cross fingers |
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| 14:18.43 | iridos | some, like xfs I think can be grown on the life FS (man xfs_growfs) |
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| 14:21.46 | flo` | hi |
| 14:22.26 | flo` | is it possible to make my luks-encrypted system "forget" the encryption key, or even encrypt the whole ram, before going to suspend-to-ram? (of course, i need to enter the password after waking up) |
| 14:22.49 | thewanderer1 | flo`, use suspend-to-disk for that |
| 14:23.17 | flo` | but s2disk is slower. i'd like to have s2ram equally secure |
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| 14:23.36 | nsadmin | ok, checked man pastebinit, which says that http://gist.github.com is an allowable pastebin, however when I try it I get this message: |
| 14:23.40 | klys | ~virtualbox |
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| 14:23.54 | nsadmin | Unknown website, please post a bugreport to request this pastebin to be added (http://gist.github.org) |
| 14:25.02 | flo` | unfortunately, also / is encrypted, so i cannot just umount the encrypted stuff and luksClose the container |
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| 14:26.14 | thewanderer1 | flo`, see "man cryptsetup" - pay attention to the "luksSuspend" option. it should work with a memory-mounted filesystem holding statically compiled binaries, but there is no ready-made solution I believe |
| 14:26.46 | nsadmin | this is at minimum, a documentation bug |
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| 14:27.16 | jelly | flo`: you can't achieve that with current s2ram, I think |
| 14:27.43 | thewanderer1 | yeah, major hacking required |
| 14:28.07 | thewanderer1 | it should become easier with Wheezy's /run infrastructure I think, but still not implemented by default |
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| 14:29.28 | cire_work | iridos, thanks, I will try that. |
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| 14:33.10 | nsadmin | , versions pastebinit |
| 14:33.11 | judd | Package: pastebinit on i386 -- lenny: 0.10-2lenny1; squeeze: 1.1-2squeeze1; sid: 1.3-2; wheezy: 1.3-2 |
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| 14:56.13 | foxtrot9 | can someone help me with an xorg.conf? I got 3 monitors working but I can't seem to get them in the right order, I tried using this position option in xorg, but still places them in the wrong order |
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| 14:57.42 | mattrobenolt | I have an odd question about some deb packaging if anyone wants to give an inexperienced packager a hand. :) |
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| 14:58.45 | babilen | !tell mattrobenolt -about mentors |
| 14:58.47 | daemonkeeper | mattrobenolt: #debian-mentors on OFTC |
| 14:59.14 | mattrobenolt | babilen: I popped in there, and there was only 1 person, haha |
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| 14:59.37 | babilen | mattrobenolt: On irc.oftc.net not here on irc.freenode.net (all developer channels are over there) |
| 14:59.38 | mattrobenolt | Oh, I see, it's on irc.debian.org, gotcha. |
| 14:59.44 | mattrobenolt | Thanks. :) |
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| 15:10.25 | thewanderer1 | guys, any advice on how you handle PCI compliance issues on Stable? do you just hack version numbers and recompile? |
| 15:10.59 | babilen | thewanderer1: Is it PCI compliance day today? |
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| 15:11.15 | thewanderer1 | babilen, err no? but it may be tomorrow! :P |
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| 15:11.32 | thewanderer1 | haven't really been watching the channel before |
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| 15:11.55 | babilen | thewanderer1: Ok, just asking because you are the second one who asks about PCI compliance (in particular apache2) today |
| 15:12.12 | babilen | thewanderer1: Is it important that you are compliant? |
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| 15:12.31 | thewanderer1 | babilen, very. |
| 15:13.03 | fbh | Any linux raid nerds around? |
| 15:13.05 | thewanderer1 | so I need a sane way to handle this - recompile everything? |
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| 15:13.27 | jhutchins_wk | nsadmin: I get a web page at that address. Looks like a pastebin to me. |
| 15:13.31 | babilen | thewanderer1: That is definitely *less secure* than the patched versions in Debian stable. |
| 15:14.14 | fbh | Is it possible to build a RAID5 array with spare based on RAID0 devices? Say I have 8 RAID0 devices, and I want to build a RAID5 with one of them as spare and the other 7 with data on. Can I do that? |
| 15:14.35 | thewanderer1 | babilen, I know, but PCI is not about security, it's about the shiny logo... I mean recompiling the source deb but with changed version number, while keeping package versions intact |
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| 15:15.14 | dutchfish | fbh, if i understand correctly you want a raid 50? |
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| 15:16.07 | fbh | dutchfish: RAID 05 rather |
| 15:16.10 | babilen | thewanderer1: PCI compliance is not about security? Hahaha, that is a good one :) -- Well, I can draw you a shiny logo. But seriously: Either use a distribution that is PCI compliant *or* use an updated Debian stable. Everything else will lead to result, human errors and a less secure system. |
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| 15:17.12 | fbh | Let me explain why I want this, because I am open to suggestions on how to do it differently. I have 8 ioDrive Duo cards. Each of those presents 2 devices to my OS. |
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| 15:17.32 | thewanderer1 | babilen, sure, I will apply updates, but the bloody version numbers need to match... |
| 15:17.39 | Ghrim | i installed gnome with tasksel, but doing startx does nothing? |
| 15:17.41 | dutchfish | fbh, while raid 50 boosts performance for less net space, a raid 0 based on 1 or more raid 5 does not, it will be slower |
| 15:17.42 | thewanderer1 | and uupdate seems like a risky path to take |
| 15:17.42 | fbh | But I need to be able to go without an entire card, and if one of the disks on a card breaks, I need all the data from a card to be migrated to another card, so I can change the card |
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| 15:18.23 | babilen | thewanderer1: That is ridiculous and you know it -- See http://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/ for applicable CVEs |
| 15:19.00 | fbh | dutchfish: Yeah, I am aware of the performance penalty, however, these cards deliver quite a lot of performance ( http://www.fusionio.com/platforms/iodrive2-duo/ ) so I should still get a reasonable performance afterwards. I hope :D |
| 15:19.06 | thewanderer1 | babilen, I know. but can you find me a certification center that does not impose version number race? :P |
| 15:19.08 | themill | babilen: it doesn't seem to matter how many times you point PCI compliance checkers to that page, they still come back to you and say "portscan shows old version of openssl. fail" |
| 15:19.20 | thewanderer1 | themill, exactly... |
| 15:19.50 | dutchfish | fbh, i would choose raid10 then instead of the slow handling of checksum write out, or raid6 |
| 15:20.12 | thewanderer1 | so it seems like I'm stuck with apt-get source; nano hackme_version_number.c; dpkg-buildpackage... |
| 15:20.21 | dutchfish | fbh, raid10 can handle what you want |
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| 15:21.14 | babilen | thewanderer1: That will definitely result in a very secure and well maintained system. ;) |
| 15:21.15 | dutchfish | fbh, if you are worried mostly of net space raid6 would be the best alternative |
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| 15:21.45 | nyk2005 | How do I search for the tabulator character in less? |
| 15:21.47 | fbh | dutchfish: It can? I can group the disks in 2 so if one of those two dies it will migrate both in order to give me the ability to swap the iodrive duo card |
| 15:21.50 | thewanderer1 | babilen, heck, I should probably automate that with a patch generation / application / rebuilding / installation script |
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| 15:22.12 | babilen | thewanderer1: What do you need the certification for? |
| 15:22.28 | themill | thewanderer1: I have heard of a number of people pointing towards the tracker of doom and showing that the CVEs were fixed and the auditors just marking down "false positive" next to the scan results |
| 15:22.52 | thewanderer1 | babilen, for payment processing... |
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| 15:23.31 | babilen | thewanderer1: And they will not accept software versions from Debian stable in which *all applicable CVEs* have been fixed? |
| 15:23.33 | dutchfish | fbh, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nested_RAID_levels |
| 15:24.20 | themill | babilen: you're assuming a brain is involved and switched on here |
| 15:24.24 | Iridos | nyk2005, just like for any other character... |
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| 15:24.34 | babilen | themill: Sure :( |
| 15:24.51 | zeev | hi, which permissions should I put on cgi scripts for apache? |
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| 15:24.59 | Iridos | braaainns... braaiins! |
| 15:25.02 | nyk2005 | Iridos: can't get it to work.. |
| 15:25.12 | thewanderer1 | I don't know yet if the people who come to certify us will be sane ones or maybe cubicle slaves... |
| 15:25.29 | Iridos | nyk2005, /[tab][enter] shows ^I for the tab and works fine for me |
| 15:25.30 | babilen | Ok, I'll shut up -- /me recommends to run a PCI compliant distribution (if one exists) in lieu of patching version numbers or backporting packages (untested!) from sid |
| 15:25.56 | nyk2005 | Iridos: ah, enter makes it work, thanks! |
| 15:26.06 | Iridos | babilen, windows! |
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| 15:26.29 | nyk2005 | Iridos: ah, sorry, I switched to grep, there it doesn't work.. :) |
| 15:26.34 | zeev | hi, which permissions should I put on cgi scripts for apache? I get "[client 127.0.0.1] Premature end of script headers:" |
| 15:26.55 | nyk2005 | nyk2005: in awk it works best |
| 15:26.57 | thewanderer1 | zeev, is that suPHP? |
| 15:27.05 | zeev | no, fossil |
| 15:27.14 | Iridos | nyk2005, it does... only need to figure out how to enter tab on the shell, for which the tab key is special and used to complete things... also... why do you talk to yourself? |
| 15:27.15 | thewanderer1 | hmm, no experience with that one |
| 15:27.29 | zeev | its a generic question I think |
| 15:27.46 | zeev | its need to be readable by www-data or so |
| 15:27.48 | zeev | ? |
| 15:27.52 | fbh | dutchfish: I'm not worried about the amount of space left afterwards, more about data loss. Using RAID 10, if I loose one disk, the other one in the RAID1 has to be able to go as well. So; I have 8 cards. Each card shows 2 devices, but if one device dies I need to be able to remove the other as well. This is so much easier explaining on a whiteboard lol |
| 15:27.59 | nyk2005 | Iridos: sorry, because I found out it's easiest in awk.. |
| 15:28.10 | thewanderer1 | zeev, yes, it needs to be readable by the Apache user, unless you're using something like suexec |
| 15:28.28 | Iridos | e.g. grep ' ' tstfile works (enter tab with ctrl-v tab) |
| 15:28.31 | zeev | so? give me a number... 711 ? |
| 15:28.49 | themill | dpkg: tell zeev about permissions |
| 15:28.51 | nyk2005 | Iridos: thanks! |
| 15:29.18 | thewanderer1 | themill, so, negotiate and if that fails, hack version numbers? I'd be reluctant to go the Red Hat route, CentOS has cost us nerves in the past |
| 15:29.29 | themill | yeah |
| 15:29.30 | zeev | themill: chmod ... ? |
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| 15:30.15 | zeev | themill: chmod a+r ? |
| 15:30.22 | zeev | themill: chmod a+rw ? |
| 15:30.47 | themill | zeev: did you read what dpkg had to say? And did you think about what you're suggesting. |
| 15:31.01 | dutchfish | fbh, well, if space is of no concern use 2 hotspares each branchtree contains 1 |
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| 15:31.25 | dutchfish | fbh, done |
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| 15:33.06 | dutchfish | fbh, if you cards support hotswap, you don't even have to take it offline, even after exchange a spindle and rebuild |
| 15:33.50 | dutchfish | fbh, if 1 of your cards die it will still run on one legg |
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| 15:34.41 | fbh | dutchfish: No hot swap, changing a card will require a service window since it's PCI-E cards. I tried (dont laugh) drawing it: http://cloudho.st/i/HkaW1wPB.png red boxes are cards. green thingies are SSD banks (2 per card presented to the OS). I need to be able to continue running even if 2 SSD banks die from 2 different cards |
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| 15:34.58 | Iridos | nyk2005, or, perhaps a bit easier on the eyes of anyone who wants to read it in a script: grep $'\t' tst |
| 15:35.40 | fbh | dutchfish: the blue round ones were the RAID0's I imagined and the big blue "Device" line would be the RAID5 |
| 15:35.48 | nyk2005 | Iridos: thanks this is cool, didn't know about the $! I was using awk '/\t/' |
| 15:36.36 | thewanderer1 | reminds the world that RAID6 with two parity units exists |
| 15:36.58 | Iridos | nyk2005, $'\t' means the shell expands \t to tab and gives that to grep... awk expands a \t it encounters itself |
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| 15:37.17 | dutchfish | fbh, i don't laugh about your drawing, you do a far better job then me;) But looking at the picture i see 16 spindles with 8 cards? |
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| 15:37.20 | nyk2005 | Iridos: thanks, that makes sense! |
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| 15:37.52 | seeker61 | at boot after the line /dev fully loaded the font lessens in size and style what setting needs to be changed |
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| 15:38.57 | fbh | dutchfish: No, there are 8 PCI-E cards. Each of those cards contain 2 SSD banks. Now, if one of the SSD banks on a card dies, I must swap the entire card, therefore I need the data on both SSD banks on each card to sort of "follow" each other. That's why I was thinking about using RAID0 to glue those together and RAID5 with spare, to handle the move to other card |
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| 15:39.29 | fbh | And one SSD bank is presented to the operating system as a device.. /dev/sdX |
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| 15:39.50 | dutchfish | fbh, ok |
| 15:39.56 | fbh | Does it make sense? |
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| 15:40.07 | dutchfish | fbh, it makes sence, but one thingy |
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| 15:40.23 | dutchfish | fbh, you forget the overhead and the extra change of errors when nesting |
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| 15:40.40 | linlin | is there a specific channel for deian on itanium ? |
| 15:40.44 | linlin | debian* |
| 15:40.45 | Na_Klar | what tools do I have to get information about my ethernet connection (besides ifconfig), when I want to know e.g. speed of the connection, Handshakes, etc.? |
| 15:40.53 | dutchfish | fbh, if i understand correclty you want 3 levels of nesting |
| 15:41.03 | dutchfish | fbh, i would not recommend that |
| 15:41.24 | dutchfish | fbh, instead look for a more practical solution |
| 15:41.25 | fbh | dutchfish: No, 2 levels. Each card contains a RAID0. All the cards are then put into a RAID5 with a spare |
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| 15:41.54 | dutchfish | fbh, is the raid5 then a soft raid? |
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| 15:42.12 | fbh | Yes, there is no hardware raid at all on Fusion-iO cards |
| 15:42.35 | Iridos | linlin, no |
| 15:42.46 | fbh | dutchfish: So both the raid0's and the raid5 will be software based |
| 15:42.48 | dutchfish | fbh, can you make a raid10 or 50 with hotspares? |
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| 15:43.32 | dutchfish | fbh, since each card is represented as one device |
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| 15:43.41 | fbh | Each card is presented as 2 devices |
| 15:43.50 | fbh | All raid needs to be done with software |
| 15:43.50 | dutchfish | ic |
| 15:44.24 | dutchfish | so if one disk dies the whole card is a gooner for that timeperiod? |
| 15:44.29 | fbh | yes |
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| 15:45.56 | dutchfish | fbh, raid 5 with 2 hotspares or raid 10 with 2 hotspares, depending on your implementation, you can shift a disk like that even if it is on the same card, for raid 5 to work you need at least 4 disks and 2 hotspares, then 2 can fail |
| 15:46.19 | seeker61 | would the font change during boot be controlled by a file in grub |
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| 15:47.21 | dutchfish | fbh, since this is a soft raid setup, forget nesting |
| 15:47.54 | fbh | dutchfish: But with RAID05 + 1 hot spare, we can loose 2 banks no matter if it's on 2 different cards. |
| 15:48.02 | dutchfish | fbh, the gain of having raid0 banks will be lost by alot on the nesting level |
| 15:48.20 | fbh | dutchfish: Yeah, but it's not to gain speed, it's merely a matter of data protection |
| 15:48.22 | dutchfish | fbh, sure, but it will be deadly slow |
| 15:48.29 | fbh | dutchfish: Even with fusion IO cards? |
| 15:48.41 | dutchfish | fbh, *relatively* slow |
| 15:48.56 | dutchfish | fbh, think cpu cycles |
| 15:49.13 | dutchfish | fbh, unlike hardware raid controllers |
| 15:49.41 | dutchfish | fbh, but i assume you can test this out before enrolling into production |
| 15:49.50 | dutchfish | fbh, just do that |
| 15:50.07 | dutchfish | fbh, my best bet raid 10 |
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| 15:50.15 | thewanderer1 | the usual rule applies: identify your bottlenecks, break the bottles... |
| 15:50.18 | fbh | dutchfish: There is a reasonable amount of CPU power as well, 8 x 8core Xeon X7560 cpu's. Yeah I will be testing it, right now I'm in the process of deciding which configurations to test |
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| 15:50.53 | dutchfish | fbh, start with a no frills setup just for comparizing (raid10) |
| 15:51.04 | dutchfish | fbh, then raid 50 or 51 |
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| 15:51.29 | dutchfish | fbh, eventually that raid 05, but i bet you will not gone use it |
| 15:51.41 | fbh | dutchfish: Yeah, that sounds like a plan |
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| 15:52.34 | dutchfish | fbh, also expirment with cluster sizes, it might be worth it |
| 15:52.46 | dutchfish | fbh, and how your spripe plan is implemented |
| 15:52.51 | dutchfish | stripeplan* |
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| 15:54.24 | dutchfish | fbh, to my humble expirience in practising it, i must admit that nothing beats emperical tests; it depends on so many factors like busspeeds, card speeds, fabric, spindles, buffers, hard to predect that only from theory |
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| 15:55.02 | lassiethebrave | I just rebooted my system and can no longer run X. I get this error: "xf86OpenConsole: Cannot open /dev/tty0 (No such file or directory)" since this file exists (and root can run X without errors) I'm guessing it has something to do with permissions to that file, but I have no idea about how to fix this. Help please? (running Wheezy on amd64 if that helps.) |
| 15:55.18 | dutchfish | fbh, i have to run now, good luck with the setup! |
| 15:55.29 | fbh | dutchfish: Yeah. We will be doing a lot of testing before sending it into production of course. But thanks a lot for the talk! |
| 15:55.42 | dutchfish | fbh, yw |
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| 15:58.07 | koko_ | hello |
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| 15:58.33 | koko_ | i install PDC with samba on my squeeze |
| 15:58.44 | koko_ | i can't join domain |
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| 16:00.16 | koko_ | http://pastebin.com/DYfbaXiH |
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| 16:02.22 | lassiethebrave | After changing ownership of /dev/tty0 to myself I now get: "xf86OpenConsole: Cannot open virtual console 3 (Permission denied)" Again, I have no idea what I should do... Please help? |
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| 16:05.30 | movl | lassiethebrave: don't change ownership on /dev files |
| 16:05.47 | movl | what permissions does the file have? |
| 16:07.00 | lassiethebrave | movl: to late... "crw-------" |
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| 16:07.29 | lassiethebrave | movl: for /dev/tty0 that is. |
| 16:07.53 | movl | change the owner back to root |
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| 16:08.06 | movl | the perms look ok |
| 16:08.47 | lassiethebrave | movl: done. How should I proceed? |
| 16:09.44 | movl | lassiethebrave: reboot and start X |
| 16:11.10 | lassiethebrave | movl: I'm on my 4:th reboot (with the same issue) trying older kernels, with no change. But I'll do one more! |
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| 16:11.24 | lassiethebrave | brb. |
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| 16:12.14 | LordShiva | Did anyone of you use gwibber ? |
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| 16:14.37 | lassiethebrave | movl: Nope, I'm still getting "...(No such file or directory)" (about /dev/tty0) |
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| 16:15.09 | koko_ | help http://pastebin.com/DYfbaXiH |
| 16:15.55 | movl | lassiethebrave: anything in the Xorg log? |
| 16:16.52 | movl | and |
| 16:17.03 | movl | did you have udev issues lately? |
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| 16:19.22 | lassiethebrave | movl: Nothing that is not on the console. And no, not that I'm aware off at least... |
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| 16:20.58 | movl | lassiethebrave: do you use a DM or startx? |
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| 16:21.05 | lassiethebrave | movl: startx |
| 16:22.30 | movl | paste the last 20 lines of your Xorg log somewhere |
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| 16:23.02 | lassiethebrave | movl: ... I'll read up on screen then, give me a minute... |
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| 16:25.30 | movl | lassiethebrave: what does /etc/X11/Xwrapper.config say? |
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| 16:26.05 | movl | and btw |
| 16:26.15 | movl | why is X starting on tty0? o.O |
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| 16:26.18 | gypsymauro | hi |
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| 16:27.22 | dvs | !next |
| 16:27.22 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
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| 16:29.37 | Lukemob | !next |
| 16:29.38 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
| 16:29.40 | lassiethebrave | movl: I haven't the slightest (but I only have getty running on 2 vt's...) |
| 16:29.52 | afidegnum | nsadmin: hi, u there please? |
| 16:29.57 | movl | lassiethebrave: I'd reinstall xorg |
| 16:30.09 | movl | aptitude reinstall xorg |
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| 16:30.26 | lassiethebrave | movl: http://paste.debian.net/160334/ |
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| 16:30.50 | lassiethebrave | movl: I'll do that and repost back. Thank you for all your help! |
| 16:30.57 | lassiethebrave | movl: *report |
| 16:31.22 | movl | ok |
| 16:31.27 | movl | brb myself |
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| 16:33.02 | lassiethebrave | movl: Nope. I'm still getting the same error (about /dev/tty0). |
| 16:34.20 | afidegnum | hello, pls anyone available to help with a workaround to fix this issue? my hosting support provider did not give me a satisfactory answer but time is against me. |
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| 16:34.33 | movl | lassiethebrave: did you reboot? |
| 16:34.46 | afidegnum | here is my unending tribulation. please have a look at the log... http://pastebin.com/cXLhPR64 |
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| 16:35.11 | lassiethebrave | movl: no, I'll do that now. |
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| 16:36.04 | somiaj | afidegnum: first off you hsould use ftp.<country code>.debian.org (as opposed to ftp.debian.org |
| 16:36.24 | afidegnum | even that, is still not working |
| 16:36.33 | afidegnum | give me an example pls ? somiaj |
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| 16:36.55 | somiaj | also if you are using ftp.us.debian.org (for instances) you should also use ftp://. But those are just suggestions. As for figuring out your problem, dose 'ping ftp.us.debian.org' resolve an ip correctly? |
| 16:37.01 | afidegnum | most of the added repo does not fetch, on the last discussion, it seems the net is not configured |
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| 16:37.41 | jhutchins_wk | somiaj: I thought ftp was disabled on all of the servers. |
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| 16:38.37 | afidegnum | ping ftp.us.debian.org does not returm an output |
| 16:38.41 | lassiethebrave | movl: No change. |
| 16:38.45 | afidegnum | it hangs there |
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| 16:39.17 | afidegnum | root@mx:/# ping ftp.us.debian.org ping: unknown host ftp.us.debian.org |
| 16:39.20 | somiaj | jhutchins_wk: works fine here. I think ftp logins are disabled but you can still use that protocol to get packages. |
| 16:39.30 | afidegnum | somiaj: that's the result. |
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| 16:39.48 | somiaj | afidegnum: ok your resolver isn't working correctly despite bing able to digg the info from the name server directly |
| 16:40.01 | movl | lassiethebrave: what about /etc/X11/Xwrapper.config? |
| 16:40.09 | movl | what does it say? |
| 16:40.10 | somiaj | afidegnum: try to just comment out the two nameservers you have in /etc/resolv.conf and replace it with 'nameserver 8.8.8.8' |
| 16:40.26 | afidegnum | ok, trying |
| 16:40.58 | lassiethebrave | movl: "allowed_users=anybody" |
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| 16:41.26 | movl | lassiethebrave: paste /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
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| 16:41.55 | afidegnum | somiaj: the same scenario... |
| 16:42.01 | afidegnum | unknown host |
| 16:42.19 | somiaj | afidegnum: what is the output of ifconfig -a (put that on a pastebin) |
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| 16:42.42 | lassiethebrave | movl: http://paste.debian.net/160336 |
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| 16:43.22 | afidegnum | somiaj: here is the output http://pastebin.com/MPX7CxeW |
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| 16:45.30 | movl | lassiethebrave: [ 224.629] Please also check the log file at "/var/log/Xorg.0.log" for additional information. |
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| 16:46.16 | Ryccardo | FAT32 uses the "vfat" driver, right? |
| 16:46.22 | somiaj | afidegnum: hmm, I don't see what is causing your dns resolution not to work. Maybe you have some default routing issue, but I wouldn't know how to debug that. |
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| 16:47.03 | afidegnum | hmm... what Idea do you have? |
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| 16:47.50 | lassiethebrave | movl: yeah. That was the log (/var/log/Xorg.0.log) that I pasted... (it seems a bit recursive...) |
| 16:47.51 | fahi | Ryccardo: yes, it supports FAT32 and long filenames |
| 16:48.12 | somiaj | afidegnum: look at the output of 'route -n |
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| 16:48.35 | Ryccardo | so, "UUID=7B63-9BA8 /media/hdb1 vfat user,auto,errors=remount-ro 0 0" |
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| 16:48.51 | flo` | hi |
| 16:48.52 | movl | lassiethebrave: when did this behaviour happen? also, did you try without the propretary NVidia driver? |
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| 16:49.28 | flo` | how can i password-protect my grub2 bootloader, so that one (the first) entry can be started without a password, and for everything else (command line, different entries etc) a password must be entered? |
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| 16:50.34 | afidegnum | smth strange is happening here, |
| 16:50.39 | afidegnum | route -n |
| 16:50.41 | afidegnum | Kernel IP routing table |
| 16:50.42 | chokmah | help |
| 16:50.43 | afidegnum | Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use Iface |
| 16:50.44 | afidegnum | 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 U 0 0 0 venet0 |
| 16:50.55 | chokmah | Oops - forgot the / |
| 16:51.02 | lassiethebrave | movl: It started when I rebooted earlier today, after quite some uptime (maybe 5-6 days) and lots of upgrades... Also if running without an xorg.conf falls back to the nv or vesa driver then yes, I've tried. |
| 16:51.14 | nkuttler | !tell afidegnum about paste |
| 16:51.18 | weaselkeeper | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1369019 that will show you how to password protect grub2 |
| 16:51.29 | somiaj | afidegnum: again should use a pastebin, but that appears to be your problem, you want the 0.0.0.0 Destination (Default destination) to use a valid Gateway, which yours is not. |
| 16:51.30 | afidegnum | oooh, my apologies pls |
| 16:52.00 | movl | lassiethebrave: and does it work with vesa or nv? |
| 16:52.05 | somiaj | though I don't see why digg works, but I'm no network expert. |
| 16:52.06 | movl | nouveau even |
| 16:52.32 | afidegnum | somiaj: I think after the OS is being initialized this config is being set by default |
| 16:52.45 | afidegnum | do you have any idea on how to fix that? |
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| 16:54.19 | lassiethebrave | movl: Nope, same error with vesa at least... |
| 16:54.50 | somiaj | afidegnum: man route, change your default gateway...again I'm not sure why it is being set up this way, but I don't work with venet interfaces and such (seems like you are on a vps) |
| 16:55.00 | movl | lassiethebrave: ls -lh /usr/bin/X |
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| 16:57.36 | movl | lassiethebrave: check bug #618733 |
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| 16:59.08 | lassiethebrave | movl: and nouveau... "-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 14K mar 13 19:24 /usr/bin/X" |
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| 17:02.26 | coldiso | does anyone know if there is a bug in 6.0.4 not bringin up v6 static on boot |
| 17:02.36 | coldiso | looks to not be loading the module correctly |
| 17:02.52 | coldiso | i have put ipv6 in the modules location in etc but still no love but slacc seems to be working at some point |
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| 17:03.15 | coldiso | bug bug=512553 looks similar |
| 17:03.20 | coldiso | but was fixed in marc 2010 |
| 17:03.22 | altin | hello I cant find inetd in /etc/init.d/inetd |
| 17:03.25 | altin | I want to reload it |
| 17:03.29 | altin | where can i find it ? |
| 17:03.44 | LordBrain | judd, pciid 14e4:4727 |
| 17:03.45 | judd | [14e4:4727] is 'BCM4313 802.11b/g/n Wireless LAN Controller' from 'Broadcom Corporation' with kernel module 'brcm80211' in squeeze. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=14e4:4727 http://wiki.debian.org/wl http://wiki.debian.org/brcm80211 and the out-of-tree 'wl' module. |
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| 17:07.25 | lassiethebrave | movl: Since I have *no* idea how that just worked! I did "aptitude reinstall xserver-xorg" and now it works swell! You are one good person movl! Thank you! |
| 17:08.06 | epicfail | guys i get a error "no opengl pugin found" starting steam with playonlinux(wine 1.4-double buffering) |
| 17:08.21 | movl | lassiethebrave: yw |
| 17:08.21 | epicfail | someone a idea how to fix that? |
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| 17:15.55 | altin | can anyone tell me what does this mean |
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| 17:16.15 | khem_ | http://bpaste.net/show/25469/ - anyone know what mighjt be wrong in my Debian bind9 zonefile? |
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| 17:17.53 | giovilol | ciao |
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| 17:17.54 | giovilol | !list |
| 17:17.55 | dpkg | giovilol: Debian è un sistema operativo composto di software libero non quella gratis. Vedi http://www.debian.org/intro/free.it.html per sapere di più. |
| 17:18.17 | giovilol | !list |
| 17:18.17 | dpkg | giovilol: È possibile di scaricare un sacco di software libero puntando il tuo browser a http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-6.0.4-amd64-i386-netinst.iso ! |
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| 17:18.33 | epicfail | guys i get a error "no opengl pugin found" starting steam with playonlinux(wine 1.4-double buffering). Someone has a fix? |
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| 17:19.10 | themill | khem_: your contact email address is wrong and you probably want a serial that is more than just "2". |
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| 17:29.50 | quebre | how do i tell debian what kernel modules to load and what to never load ? |
| 17:29.53 | quebre | (hi) |
| 17:30.11 | nkuttler | !tell quebre about blacklist |
| 17:30.14 | movl | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:30.16 | alr | quebre, check /etc/modules |
| 17:30.33 | somiaj | quebre: most things should be detected by default, but in the rare case it isn't you have been given various options. |
| 17:30.37 | dvs | quebre: To load a module, use /etc/moduels, to not load a module, make a file in /etc/modprobe.d |
| 17:30.49 | dvs | /etc/modules |
| 17:30.53 | quebre | /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local.conf this file ? |
| 17:31.04 | dvs | quebre: That'll work. |
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| 17:31.13 | khem_ | themill: fixed it, still have issues with DNS Sleuth |
| 17:31.19 | quebre | the bot says to me on priv: |
| 17:31.21 | quebre | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:31.21 | quebre | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:31.21 | quebre | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:31.25 | alr | just preced a blacklisted module with blacklist |
| 17:31.31 | alr | precede* |
| 17:31.33 | quebre | (...) in what conditions this would not work ? |
| 17:31.44 | dvs | quebre: if you load the module manually |
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| 17:31.52 | quebre | mhm |
| 17:31.54 | quebre | alright |
| 17:31.56 | quebre | thanks ! |
| 17:32.19 | alr | all hail the mighty bot |
| 17:32.31 | dvs | dpkg: you're stupid |
| 17:32.31 | dpkg | goes and sulks in the corner |
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| 17:34.53 | epicfail | i need to get wine-1.4-rc5 source code... can i get it from the debian sources or shall i dl it from sourceforge? |
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| 17:35.37 | somiaj | get it from winehq.org |
| 17:35.47 | quebre | why rc5 :p |
| 17:35.51 | quebre | there's stable 1.4 already |
| 17:36.12 | alr | yeah, debian repos are not very up-to-date when it comes to wine |
| 17:36.18 | epicfail | somiaj, did not get any oportunity to thank you for the help yesturday! well thank you =) |
| 17:36.25 | coldiso | ok i give up - how the heck do you turn of slaac on 6.0.4 |
| 17:36.38 | coldiso | i have pre-up just about everything related to RA in proc and still i get slaac |
| 17:37.13 | coldiso | anyone in here have v6 working know on on debian |
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| 17:37.54 | Owner | hmm where do you get the 'bundle' command related to ruby |
| 17:38.03 | Owner | i did gem install bundler but bundle is not a valid command afterwards |
| 17:38.10 | thewanderer1 | coldiso, you've disabled accept_ra and are still getting an address? O.o |
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| 17:38.33 | coldiso | thewanderer1: yes |
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| 17:38.58 | somiaj | epicfail: no I don't know how you complied wine and if you didn't have the opengl dev files to compile into wine or are missing something else. |
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| 17:39.24 | somiaj | epicfail: why must you have wine 1.4 -- what are you trying to run that doesn't work in the version of wine shipped with debian? |
| 17:39.28 | thewanderer1 | coldiso, which option did you switch - all, eth* or default? |
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| 17:40.00 | coldiso | thewanderer1 |
| 17:40.03 | coldiso | thewanderer1: all |
| 17:40.14 | coldiso | thewanderer1: i even disabled forwarding |
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| 17:40.41 | epicfail | somiaj, steam. Its just working with very view wine versions. the other get an error. i tried it with the native one => error |
| 17:40.52 | coldiso | thewanderer1: when i cat proc i even show it at 0 but am booting getting a slaac address and the static one i specificy |
| 17:41.43 | epicfail | somiaj, tell me more about opengl devs ... i think u got a hot glue |
| 17:41.49 | somiaj | epicfail: I haven't ever liked steam, but its worked in wine for a while. I think you are missing your -dev files for the opengl libs when you compiled wine |
| 17:42.02 | thewanderer1 | coldiso, err, how exactly are you "getting a slaac address"? do you end up with a /64 "scope global dynamic" address? |
| 17:42.07 | somiaj | nvidia-glx-dev for nvidia drivers which I think you have |
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| 17:42.49 | coldiso | thewanderer1: i have a cisco with v6 in front of it - am getting /64 global dynamic |
| 17:43.34 | coldiso | thewanderer1: "all" should take care of everything i will try being more specific with the interface - let me give that try |
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| 17:43.36 | thewanderer1 | coldiso, and you also get a static address? how do you configure your interface, anyway? and are you sure you're applying the sysctl before network goes up? |
| 17:44.04 | coldiso | thewanderer1: yes my static in /etc/network/interfaces does get applied at boot |
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| 17:44.54 | thewanderer1 | coldiso, have you disabled conf/all/autoconf ? |
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| 17:45.07 | epicfail | somiaj, score! was not installed!; its not realy a bug. its some general problem. they brought a wine subversion out that is able to run it (sth with double buffering) |
| 17:45.17 | coldiso | thewanderer1: http://pastebin.com/mtCVc0jA |
| 17:45.49 | somiaj | epicfail: I just don't like steam, but I play few games in wine anymore, all of this integrated drm just gets in the way. |
| 17:45.52 | coldiso | thewanderer1: i will try that |
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| 17:46.14 | thewanderer1 | coldiso, you should put the pre-up entries within the eth0 ipv6 stanza I think, not standalone... |
| 17:46.43 | epicfail | somiaj, im not a fan of drm eighter but valve just has the best games in the world =/ |
| 17:46.59 | coldiso | thewanderer1, it is applying it to /proc its just not working ;P |
| 17:47.04 | Dagger2 | thewanderer1: those pre-up entries are part of the iface lo block... the indentation in /etc/network/interfaces is actually meaningless |
| 17:47.30 | epicfail | somiaj, thx for the help! lets 'make' it :P |
| 17:47.52 | coldiso | thewanderer1, i will try autoconf to 0 from pre-up and see what happens |
| 17:47.54 | thewanderer1 | Dagger2, I know, but I'm questioning exactly that - I am not completely convinced that lo is before eth0 |
| 17:48.31 | gotmynick | Hello, I've been experiencing issues (xorgs hangs) when mixing: Wheezy, nouveau, iceweasel with "noscript" addon and playing music with mocp |
| 17:48.42 | gotmynick | I can use intensively any of them individually, but when I mix music and intensive browsing... |
| 17:48.52 | gotmynick | ... latter comes the hang. What can I do to localize the culprit or eradicate the issue? |
| 17:49.26 | Dagger2 | thewanderer1: hm. I'd assume it is, but I'm not positive on that either. perhaps sticking those settings in /etc/sysctl.conf would be a better idea |
| 17:49.30 | gotmynick | s/localize/locate/ |
| 17:50.06 | thewanderer1 | coldiso, as suggested, it may be wise to put that in sysctl.conf && ensure that it gets sourced before network goes up |
| 17:50.46 | coldiso | thewanderer1, ok yea pre-up doesn't seem to work - will try sysctrl |
| 17:51.27 | gotmynick | for sysctl entries related to a interface, maybe better to use a post-up (?) |
| 17:51.32 | thewanderer1 | not sure, but maybe pre-up does not spawn a shell, going via execve() instead? O.o |
| 17:51.51 | Dagger2 | (also, this is irrelevent, but you can shorten those addresses to 2610:d0:111a:1:dead:beef:0:2 and 2610:d0:111a:1::1) |
| 17:52.24 | quebre | can someone explain to me how i get rid of PulseAudio completely, once and forever ? |
| 17:52.44 | quebre | son, i'm disappointed with PA |
| 17:52.44 | valdyn | quebre: apt-get remove --purge pulseaudio |
| 17:52.48 | dvs | hands quebre a bazooka |
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| 17:52.56 | quebre | ;) |
| 17:52.56 | valdyn | quebre: more likely you just dont know how to use it |
| 17:53.02 | quebre | valdyn: ofc i know how |
| 17:53.08 | quebre | valdyn: it's just too buggy for my needs |
| 17:53.22 | ws2k3 | can i messure bandwhith used by pid ? |
| 17:53.31 | valdyn | quebre: what you call a bug is probably not a bug |
| 17:53.39 | valdyn | quebre: anyway, just remove that package... |
| 17:53.47 | quebre | valdyn: let me try |
| 17:53.48 | quebre | ;] |
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| 17:56.13 | quebre | now i feel much better |
| 17:56.57 | coldiso | thewander1 |
| 17:57.10 | coldiso | thewander1, even with it set to 0 in sysctrl it still gets slaac address |
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| 17:57.32 | Dagger2 | coldiso: what address is it getting? |
| 17:58.39 | coldiso | 2610:d0:111a:1:20c:29ff:fe5c:3e75/64 Scope:Global |
| 17:58.55 | coldiso | Dagger2, however i had a typo =0 instead of ' = 0' |
| 17:59.16 | coldiso | Dagger2, i'm not looking at link local |
| 17:59.21 | coldiso | Dagger2, i'm not looking at link local - i know the difference |
| 17:59.40 | Dagger2 | coldiso: ah, ok. yeah, that was what I was checking for >.> |
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| 18:00.06 | coldiso | Dagger2, ok that didn't fix it either |
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| 18:01.02 | coldiso | Dagger2, http://pastebin.com/LW8W8StT |
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| 18:01.34 | dekatch | meowmeow! hello, got a question! i got a 8GB sd card! could i add all those 5 CD images to that SD card and do a fully debian install? |
| 18:01.56 | dekatch | or is there a dvd image as well? |
| 18:01.58 | coldiso | Dagger2, sorry http://pastebin.com/rnWyGXby |
| 18:02.03 | Dagger2 | coldiso: remove the "proc.sys." from the beginning of those lines |
| 18:02.04 | coldiso | thewanderer1, http://pastebin.com/rnWyGXby |
| 18:02.06 | dvs | dekatch: woof woof. Why not use a DVD image? |
| 18:02.21 | oshikuru | thats what he is asking ;) |
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| 18:02.37 | dekatch | yes, ok, thats great! need to look up the images again |
| 18:02.46 | noob_at_work | Hey guys, I want to edit my grub menu. I'm dualbooting Debian 6.0.4 and Windows 7 but Debian shows up first in grub. How can I put Windows 7 on top of the list? |
| 18:02.51 | coldiso | Dagger2, arg! yes retrying |
| 18:02.59 | jhutchins_wk | dvs: We usually recommend doing the netinst image. That way you only download what you actually use. |
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| 18:03.50 | coldiso | Dagger2, ha still no love |
| 18:04.07 | thewanderer1 | coldiso, does it actually have any effect, at least? |
| 18:04.08 | dekatch | jhutchins if this answere was to me: i wanna do a install on my notebook with wifi! for some reasons i need first to upgrade the kernel and install firmware to use it |
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| 18:04.33 | dvs | jhutchins_wk: exactly. A lot of people don't have wired connections anymore. |
| 18:04.34 | dekatch | thats why i want a fully image on my sd card |
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| 18:04.55 | Dagger2 | coldiso: there's http://madduck.net/docs/ipv6/#setting_system_parameters that suggests setting .all., .default. *and* -- in a pre-up line -- the settings for eth0 too |
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| 18:05.23 | coldiso | Dagger2, hum yea i did see that |
| 18:05.47 | coldiso | Dagger2, i will poke allaround the conf and disable everything and see what happens - thanks for being a second set of eyes |
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| 18:06.27 | somiaj | dekatch: the netinstall image contains a complete functional base system (Which will boot and run). From there you can copy oer a new kernel from backports.debian.org and the firmware as well, install them, bring up your wireless device and continue the install |
| 18:06.53 | somiaj | dekatch: if the wifi card works with the default debian kernel 2.6.32, follow the install guide and you can load the firmware during the install process |
| 18:07.07 | rocketmagnet | hi all, is it possible to install the latest kernel with debian squeeze ?? i've an acer aspire 5750g and have troubles with installing the official nvidia drivers (the laptop has an intel graphic chip and a geforce 540g). all i want is real 3d support no software rendering (which should be possible with the official nvidia drivers normaly) - does someone know how to solve this problem - maybe with creating a new kernel (currently i'm runn |
| 18:07.09 | Dagger2 | coldiso: and looking at http://marc.info/?l=linux-kernel&m=123617372002934&w=2 it claims that, when forwarding is off, accept_ra is treated as 1 if it's set to 1 in *either* .all. or .eth0., so you'll need to set it in both places |
| 18:07.21 | dekatch | no, it was needed to upgrade to 2.6.39 i guess somiaj |
| 18:07.28 | somiaj | rocketmagnet: look into backports, backports.debian.org (you can get a 3.2 kernel from there) |
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| 18:07.57 | dvs | dekatch: kmuto has a .39 installer |
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| 18:08.09 | dekatch | kmuto? |
| 18:08.16 | somiaj | dekatch: still use the netinstall, you will just want to have the firmware and newer kernel packages from backports (packages.debian.org to find them), and copy them over, install with dpkg -i, and continue |
| 18:08.24 | valdyn | !tell dekatch -about kmuto |
| 18:08.31 | dvs | !tell dekatch about kmuto |
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| 18:08.38 | dvs | doh! |
| 18:08.45 | rocketmagnet | somiaj: do you think that this will solve my problem ? and isn't there a newer kernel around ? |
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| 18:09.13 | valdyn | rocketmagnet: 3.2 is new enough for any nvidia driver |
| 18:09.16 | somiaj | rocketmagnet: backports have precompiled kernels that work with squeeze, you can get 2.6.39, 3.1 or 3.2 from backports. |
| 18:09.22 | dekatch | i found valdyn information alot more usefull dvs :P |
| 18:09.27 | dvs | dekatch: but if your wireless is WPA, it won't work (easily) |
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| 18:09.35 | somiaj | rocketmagnet: you can also get a newer nvidia non-free driver and a newer xorg from backports as well. |
| 18:09.53 | somiaj | yea wpasupplicant isn't in the base system. |
| 18:10.09 | dekatch | nono, i can set whatever i want in my router setup! has it set to wpa2 sure, but it worked |
| 18:10.35 | dekatch | (earlier) |
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| 18:11.09 | coldiso | Dagger2, setting autoconf and accept_ra to 0 for just the interface worked |
| 18:11.25 | thewanderer1 | coldiso, wow, sounds like a bug :P |
| 18:11.53 | coldiso | thewander1: yea i think so =) |
| 18:11.59 | Dagger2 | coldiso: hurrah |
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| 18:12.20 | dekatch | are these images on kmuto.jp official? i guess there arent! i have alot respect about that japanese hackers :P |
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| 18:12.22 | rocketmagnet | somiaj: i've tried the latest nvidia driver from the nvidia page and my graphic chip is listet there as supported |
| 18:12.29 | dekatch | but i guess these backports are clean |
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| 18:12.38 | rocketmagnet | do you think the stuff from backports does work so i get hardware acceleration |
| 18:12.54 | dvs | dekatch: They're not official but they're good. |
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| 18:13.37 | coldiso | Dagger2 - thewanderer1: thanks fellas! |
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| 18:13.41 | somiaj | rocketmagnet: I would use the debian backports package as it will integrate better with your system. What is your card? |
| 18:13.47 | dekatch | yea, he scripted an phantom rootkit which never will be detected :P a ninja rootkit ^^ |
| 18:14.14 | somiaj | rocketmagnet: problem with installing directally from nvidia.com is dpkg/apt wont' know you did that and could overwrite vital files in an upgrade/install. |
| 18:14.16 | dekatch | was joking .jp japanese and ninja ... |
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| 18:14.52 | dvs | !lart dekatch |
| 18:14.52 | dpkg | overclocks dekatch until dekatch burns out |
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| 18:15.34 | quebre | sooo |
| 18:15.55 | quebre | what's the reason to use pulseaudio if sound without it works just perfect ? |
| 18:15.57 | quebre | ha?! |
| 18:16.19 | somiaj | quebre: the alsa dmix isn't the greatest for software mixing |
| 18:16.19 | quebre | i just fixed tons of my sound problems by simply removing pulseaudio from the system |
| 18:16.38 | valdyn | quebre: pa has unique features on linux |
| 18:16.42 | quebre | somiaj: but it works ok imho.. so whats wrong with this alsa mixer ? |
| 18:16.46 | quebre | valdyn: like what ? |
| 18:16.59 | valdyn | quebre: like realtime switching of output |
| 18:17.04 | JPT | adjusting the volume individual for each application |
| 18:17.04 | quebre | if all i need is to be able to run sound from youtube, wine, mplayer, etc at once |
| 18:17.04 | somiaj | pulseaudio works beter on some cards, and it has some unique features like switching sound cards without interupting the audio stream |
| 18:17.14 | valdyn | quebre: or like invdividual volume control per app |
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| 18:18.03 | dekatch | wow. this could be my final achievement! someone knows if "foobar2000" also available on debian/linux? |
| 18:18.08 | quebre | valdyn: this i just checked, i can change volume in mplayer to lower values while youtube audio remains the same volume and vice versa |
| 18:18.15 | dvs | dekatch: I wish |
| 18:18.16 | quebre | so i do the same without pulseaudio |
| 18:18.33 | dekatch | that means it isnt? |
| 18:18.37 | valdyn | quebre: you can do that only because those apps support it |
| 18:18.39 | somiaj | be nice if they could integrate those features into alsa, all these additional layers is annoying. |
| 18:18.47 | valdyn | quebre: it doesnt work in general |
| 18:18.59 | dvs | dekatch: I don't know if it is avaiable |
| 18:19.02 | dekatch | i never found my best player in linux |
| 18:19.02 | quebre | valdyn: wel each of my apps that i use have volume control built in |
| 18:19.12 | dekatch | foobar2000 would be definetaly my fav one |
| 18:19.22 | valdyn | quebre: youre not using many apps then |
| 18:19.23 | dvs | like audacious |
| 18:19.28 | thewanderer1 | dekatch, well, mpd - fire and forget :P |
| 18:19.35 | quebre | valdyn: the point is then: i don't need PULSEAUDIO ahahahaha |
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| 18:19.47 | dekatch | foobar2000 has an vst adapter... is there something similar? |
| 18:19.48 | valdyn | quebre: thats perfectly fine |
| 18:19.50 | quebre | damn, i'm so happy without PA |
| 18:20.02 | themill | quebre: you might not, feel free to get on with your life now. |
| 18:20.14 | valdyn | quebre: but plenty people "need" their audio system to detect headphones or the other stuff we mentioned |
| 18:20.23 | quebre | what my life have to do with it themill ? |
| 18:21.32 | quebre | valdyn: headphones?... maybe user should be asked during OS instalation whether he want PA or not, it's not good that it's forced |
| 18:21.45 | valdyn | quebre: it is not forced |
| 18:21.52 | quebre | but it's default |
| 18:21.58 | themill | quebre: it's not. |
| 18:22.06 | quebre | i installed debian and pa was already there |
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| 18:22.12 | valdyn | quebre: theres 30k optional packages, you want to be asked about sound, others want to be asked about something else |
| 18:22.24 | valdyn | quebre: so thats an obviously pointless discussion |
| 18:22.31 | quebre | valdyn: alright ;) |
| 18:22.33 | die7 | hi, which package I need to play m4b format? |
| 18:22.35 | themill | quebre: no, you installed the gnome metapackage. You didn't just "install debian". But you were getting on with your life. |
| 18:23.21 | valdyn | i give it 5 more years till this sound discussion stops in general |
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| 18:24.48 | quebre | why 5 ? |
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| 18:25.06 | jonrafkind | aptitude is segfaulting for me. it crashes in pkgDepCache::CheckDep() in libapt-pkg.so.4.10 |
| 18:25.09 | valdyn | quebre: because sound is obviously alot worse than /dev |
| 18:25.13 | somiaj | only 5, so many different sound servers have come and gone. These features need to be configured into alsa not an abstract layer on top of it. |
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| 18:25.40 | quebre | fully agree with somiaj |
| 18:25.48 | valdyn | somiaj: they always were an extra layer, they need to be an extra layer |
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| 18:26.25 | dekatch | thewanderer1 well this mpd looks nice so far!!!. are u guys aware of .vst plugins? are they also written for linux or can i use them only on windows? |
| 18:26.29 | noob_at_work | Hey guys, I want to edit my grub menu. I'm dualbooting Debian 6.0.4 and Windows 7 but Debian shows up first in grub. How can I put Windows 7 on top of the list? |
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| 18:27.10 | thewanderer1 | dekatch, no idea. sounds familiar, but I'd have a hard time remembering where I'd seen it - better use apt-cache search or so... |
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| 18:28.31 | valdyn | noob_at_work: look into /etc/grub.d |
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| 18:31.19 | noob_at_work | and then? |
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| 18:32.06 | valdyn | noob_at_work: you see numbers, thats the order for some things |
| 18:32.17 | noob_at_work | aah okay so I just have to rename it |
| 18:32.39 | dekatch | do a copy before! u maybe mess it up |
| 18:32.51 | noob_at_work | I should add that I have already restored grub 'cause only windows booted after I fully installed debian |
| 18:33.01 | noob_at_work | hmm okay |
| 18:33.09 | valdyn | noob_at_work: maybe you really just want to change the default boot entry though |
| 18:33.20 | valdyn | noob_at_work: that is at /etc/default/grub |
| 18:33.36 | valdyn | noob_at_work: but keep in mind that the number of debian entries can vary |
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| 18:34.47 | noob_at_work | I don't see anything in /etc/default/grub that would point to the list at starup |
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| 18:35.03 | valdyn | noob_at_work: GRUB_DEFAULT=0 |
| 18:35.28 | noob_at_work | what does that do? |
| 18:35.41 | valdyn | noob_at_work: sets the default entry in the menu |
| 18:35.54 | noob_at_work | aah okay |
| 18:35.57 | noob_at_work | windows is 11 |
| 18:36.17 | epicfail | guys what package is the opengl support for nvidia? |
| 18:36.19 | noob_at_work | so I just 11 in it 'cause it says 11 in etc/grub.d |
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| 18:37.46 | maxou56800 | Hello :) |
| 18:37.55 | ddddd | Hi. Can somebody tell me as to how I'd go about setting up some bitmap fonts I've downloaded for use on my Debian system (.pcf/.pcf.gz)? |
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| 18:41.12 | Justin | ddddd: did you try just putting them in ~/.fonts ? |
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| 18:41.56 | ddddd | Justin: Yes, but, for some reason, they don't work as they should. When selected, they appear to look the same as the default, bold sans-serif font. |
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| 18:47.38 | ddddd | Ugh, fixed it by doing everything again exactly the same (as far as I know.) |
| 18:47.43 | ddddd | Thanks anyway, Justin. |
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| 18:54.26 | FDFlock | fbh: Are you here? |
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| 18:55.00 | FDFlock | fbh: I noticed part of the previous conversation, abou RAID, and a simple question popped into my mind... "Why not use RAID6?" |
| 18:55.55 | FDFlock | fbh: This way you only have 1 level on RAID and some protection even if 2 banks become b0rked, whether they are on the same card or not... |
| 18:56.11 | FDFlock | s/on/of/ |
| 18:56.43 | quebre | Audio on Linux has more layers than an onion. |
| 18:56.48 | quebre | ;) |
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| 18:56.53 | FDFlock | quebre: True! |
| 18:57.27 | FDFlock | But you can just use ALSA ;) |
| 18:57.40 | FDFlock | (unless you need pro audio) |
| 18:57.42 | quebre | that's what i just did hour ago, removed PA and i'm now happy :p |
| 18:57.47 | noob_at_work | Sorry, to ask again but I edited the GRUB_DEFAULT line in /etc/default to 11 but nothing has changed |
| 18:58.07 | valdyn | noob_at_work: it does nothing till you ran update-grub |
| 18:58.14 | quebre | and what i see is many, many peoples on web whine on PA, i guess it's one of these love/hate apps |
| 18:58.26 | noob_at_work | I did run update.-grub |
| 18:58.54 | FDFlock | quebre: That said, I've been running PA without any problems. Not sure why all the hate, perhaps it from its less mature past |
| 18:59.09 | polyurethane | /echo $ip |
| 18:59.13 | FDFlock | s/it/it's/ |
| 18:59.33 | jhutchins_wk | FDFlock: It solves a problem most users don't have by breaking more things than it solves. |
| 18:59.56 | quebre | FDFlock: Pulseaudio sucks. The experiment with Pulseaudio has gone far too long. It's time to admit that it's a f*ing failure and every implementation sucks. The guy who runs it [Pulseaudio]--any time anybody tries to talk to him, is very negative and tells you you're an idiot. Canonical should hire Paul Davis, the developer of Jack and Ardour and Jack should become the default sound daemon. |
| 18:59.56 | FDFlock | it didn't break anything here |
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| 19:00.02 | FDFlock | but I understand the argument |
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| 19:00.15 | FDFlock | I prefer simplicity as well. |
| 19:00.31 | quebre | yeah ! |
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| 19:01.45 | FDFlock | About Jack... I've read great things, but most apps don't have Jack output, right? |
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| 19:02.23 | FDFlock | I haven't tried it, but the consensus is that it's better engineered than PA |
| 19:02.35 | quebre | FDFlock: true, http://jackaudio.org/applications list is not amazing... |
| 19:02.41 | noob_at_work | like I said I already had to restore grub once and I used a guide from opensource-sidh.blogapot |
| 19:03.09 | FDFlock | wishes ALSA was a bit more fully-features, so tht no other layers would be needed |
| 19:03.13 | kevlarman | FDFlock: jack has somewhat extreme hardware requirements |
| 19:03.26 | kevlarman | FDFlock: and it doesn't support resampling |
| 19:03.36 | kevlarman | which you realistically need for desktop applications |
| 19:03.36 | epicfail | is there a command to reset wines simulated windows? |
| 19:03.39 | quebre | FDFlock: i'm going to investigate that soon, try to talk with devs from perspective of regular user ;) |
| 19:03.39 | valdyn | why does everyone think he is competent to argue which sound system is best? |
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| 19:04.14 | quebre | valdyn: i'm competent, i have certificate, i self-signed it ;) |
| 19:04.30 | quebre | valdyn: we just debate about sound layers in linux :p |
| 19:04.34 | FDFlock | s/features/featured/ |
| 19:04.37 | themill | points towards #debian-offtopic |
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| 19:04.58 | FDFlock | valdyn: because everyone around here is a software enthousiast?! |
| 19:05.23 | FDFlock | But yes, I agree, I certainly don't feel very qualified when it comes to audio |
| 19:06.02 | quebre | i think i'll get muted by themill if i continue ;) so, i'm going to watch movie ;) see you FDFlock ! |
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| 19:06.19 | FDFlock | :) |
| 19:06.37 | davidandgoliath | audio has always mind!@#$ed me. :( |
| 19:06.48 | davidandgoliath | been reeling for days trying to get my sound working again, myself. |
| 19:07.01 | kevlarman | quebre: btw alsa has some glaring holes in functionality that you can't realistically fix while keeping it alsa |
| 19:07.08 | davidandgoliath | also: re: self-signed cert quebre -- amusing. :p |
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| 19:07.41 | kevlarman | the problem with pulse is how little they care about programs that don't do things "their way" |
| 19:08.26 | valdyn | in debian the problem is that the default sound settings are inconsistent and broken |
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| 19:08.54 | valdyn | and that favours alsa a tiny bit, but in essence its broken even for alsa |
| 19:09.15 | noob_at_work | Okay maybe someone can help if I rephrase my question. I installed Debian 6.0.4 from a netinstall image. After the successful installation grub was nowhere to be found so I restored it with a #! live CD after that I could only boot Debian because grub did not display Windows 7 so I assed Windows using a guide online. Now I just want to put Windows on top of the list so it boots as default |
| 19:09.16 | darkelfjuggalo1 | can someone remind me what driver package i need to read DVDs on squeeze i386 |
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| 19:10.33 | valdyn | darkelfjuggalo1: you dont need a driver package to read dvds |
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| 19:10.41 | JordiGH | Is there a Debianish way to handle unpackaged CPAN things? I don't mind using another package manager, but I would like for apt to also track it once it's installed. |
| 19:10.47 | valdyn | darkelfjuggalo1: maybe your talking about dvd movies |
| 19:10.54 | dondelelcaro | JordiGH: dh-make-cpan |
| 19:11.04 | dondelelcaro | JordiGH: err, dh-make-perl, rather. |
| 19:11.12 | JordiGH | dondelelcaro: So... grab the source and make a package? |
| 19:11.18 | valdyn | darkelfjuggalo1: or maybe youre talking about region coded dvd movies |
| 19:11.29 | FDFlock | audio-related question: Is there any Linux audio player that can use VST plugins (preferably on Debian repos)? Is it even possible to run VST plugins written for Windows on Linux? (without qualit loss, obviously) |
| 19:11.30 | JordiGH | But CPAN.pm also does nice things like tracking dependencies. |
| 19:11.34 | dondelelcaro | JordiGH: nah, just dh-make-perl --cpan Foo::Bar; |
| 19:11.39 | dondelelcaro | JordiGH: so does dh-make-perl. |
| 19:11.46 | JordiGH | Ah, really? |
| 19:11.48 | JordiGH | Let's see... |
| 19:11.58 | FDFlock | noob_at_work: If all else fails, you can use the Windows boot loader for booting your GRUB. |
| 19:12.07 | FDFlock | noob_at_work: Not that I recommend it... |
| 19:12.48 | kevlarman | FDFlock: i would assume that VST plugins would be native code, so no |
| 19:12.54 | valdyn | FDFlock: part of your question is answered by apt-cache search vst. But i dont know anything about vst, so read the result yourself... |
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| 19:14.02 | dondelelcaro | JordiGH: it'll even recursively handle all the dependencies for you if necessary |
| 19:14.14 | noob_at_work | FDFlock: so you mean putting in the windows 7 cd and restoring grub or something? but wouldn't that wipe out debian? |
| 19:15.19 | valdyn | noob_at_work: if grub is on one disks or partitons boot record then the windows boot manager can be configured to load it |
| 19:15.25 | FDFlock | kevlarman, valdyn: VST plugins are used with pro audio . I don't care about pro audio, but I've found some great (free) ones, so I wondered whether anyone had practical experience |
| 19:15.34 | valdyn | noob_at_work: obviously the windows boot manager has to be on a different disk or partition then |
| 19:15.34 | jhutchins_wk | noob_at_work: 1) Run grub-update to detect windows 2) figure out which entry is windows and make that the default in /etc/defaults/grub |
| 19:16.09 | FDFlock | kevlarman, valdyn: Some of them have GUI components (yes, native code). Thanks for the answers! |
| 19:16.21 | mjt | note: when windows partition isn't marked active their suspend-to-disk feature breaks. |
| 19:16.36 | JordiGH | dondelelcaro: Oooh, seems to be working. |
| 19:16.52 | jhutchins_wk | noob_at_work: Sorry, update-grub, not grub-update |
| 19:16.53 | JordiGH | wishes rubygems were as nice as CPAN for packaging.. |
| 19:17.09 | valdyn | mjt: alot of windows things break when you change its boot configuration |
| 19:17.24 | mjt | i found only one so far :) |
| 19:17.38 | valdyn | mjt: cant install service package 1 |
| 19:17.50 | JordiGH | Uhm, that didn't create a .deb |
| 19:17.51 | mjt | that worked just fine for me |
| 19:18.03 | JordiGH | Says it's missing Debian packages and it's missing one CPAN module that has no debian package |
| 19:18.04 | JordiGH | wat do |
| 19:18.07 | valdyn | mjt: yea, you do something else than just changing the active flag to break that |
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| 19:18.28 | valdyn | mjt: change bios boot order for instance |
| 19:18.28 | FDFlock | noob_at_work: to do that, you'll have to copy the first sector of your HDD to a file (512 bytes, with dd... CAREFUL! dd is dangerous!) and then tell the Windows loader to boot from that using a program like EasyBCD |
| 19:18.36 | mjt | Win7 SP1 can't be installed if there's only one win partition, without that hidden/system boot thing |
| 19:18.49 | FDFlock | noob_at_work: But you can also make GRUB see the Win7 partition, which is preferable. |
| 19:19.04 | mjt | but win7 sp1 does not care about that system boot thing being active or not |
| 19:19.22 | mjt | anyway, that's off-topic ;) |
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| 19:21.40 | noob_at_work | -.- how hard can it be changing the default option to boot .. jhutchins_wk I already did that and it says it detects the linux images and then it says "Adding Windows" Found Windows 7 (loader) on /dev/sda1 |
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| 19:22.29 | JordiGH | dondelelcaro: Oh, I see, it only Debianises the package, but I still need to build it with dpkg-buildpackage? |
| 19:22.42 | dondelelcaro | JordiGH: it can build and install it for you too; see --build and --install |
| 19:22.47 | dondelelcaro | JordiGH: the manpage is more complete |
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| 19:24.15 | JordiGH | Failed 96/96 test programs. 192/238 subtests failed. |
| 19:24.19 | JordiGH | o.Ô |
| 19:24.43 | JordiGH | Is it tracing dependencies? |
| 19:24.56 | JordiGH | It overflows my terminal buffer. |
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| 19:25.21 | FDFlock | Reposting a previous unnoticed (and totally unanswered) question, from a few hours ago: |
| 19:25.24 | FDFlock | Has anyone been using Icedove and experiencing long stalls with IMAP? The program remains responsive and CPU usage very low, but it just can't fetch the e-mails, as if there are network problems (therer aren't). Sometimes it will load one or two e-mails after restarting Icedove, and then again the same problem. |
| 19:25.29 | FDFlock | Wireshark doesn't show anything weird, but I'm not a networking guru. It seems that a single TCP session is used for everything. Any ideas? |
| 19:26.05 | valdyn | FDFlock: have you tried different imap clients? |
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| 19:26.29 | darkelfjuggalo1 | sorry distract, yes, DVD movie |
| 19:26.37 | valdyn | !dmm |
| 19:26.38 | dpkg | [dmm] Debian Multimedia is a repository of unofficial packages maintained by Christian Marillat, not in Debian for patent-related reasons. For information on how to access, see http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm squeeze>. During 2010, this repository grew a non-free part, with all binary-only packages moved there; you may need to add " non-free" to your sources lines. See also <dmm mirrors>, <dmm list>. |
| 19:26.39 | FDFlock | valdyn: no, I want to use T̶h̶u̶n̶d̶e̶r̶b̶i̶r̶d̶ Icedove. |
| 19:26.53 | valdyn | darkelfjuggalo1: get libdvdcss from dmm |
| 19:27.12 | valdyn | FDFlock: sure, try a different client for the same account though, see if it works better |
| 19:27.32 | valdyn | FDFlock: thats the least you can do to figure out if this issue is icedove-specific |
| 19:27.46 | kevlarman | speaking of multimedia |
| 19:28.00 | kevlarman | are there any vlc builds that support both h264 and oss? |
| 19:28.10 | FDFlock | I guess i'll try Evolution (argh), unless you can recommend something simpler |
| 19:28.14 | valdyn | kevlarman: uh? |
| 19:28.24 | valdyn | kevlarman: you mean oss as in open sound system? |
| 19:28.27 | kevlarman | yes |
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| 19:29.22 | kevlarman | (i run ossv4 because alsa mangles audio when resampling and pulse refuses to consider breaking all the programs i actually care about a bug) |
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| 19:30.13 | JordiGH | dondelelcaro: Ok, that wasn't so bad, but I had to chase dependencies myself. |
| 19:30.32 | JordiGH | It needed 2 other cpan modules, and, I had to go and get them myself. |
| 19:30.33 | dondelelcaro | JordiGH: it'll actually do them too... see the --recursive option |
| 19:30.59 | JordiGH | Oh. |
| 19:31.02 | JordiGH | Well, that's nice. |
| 19:31.33 | valdyn | kevlarman: I didnt notive that vlc lost oss support |
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| 19:31.47 | valdyn | kevlarman: mind telling me which of your apps dont work with pa? |
| 19:32.10 | dondelelcaro | JordiGH: though honestly, the number of times I've needed to package a module which doesn't already have its dependencies satisifed is so small that I don't know if it works |
| 19:32.15 | kevlarman | valdyn: wine, every closed source native game older than 3 years |
| 19:32.26 | valdyn | kevlarman: ah yea |
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| 19:32.35 | valdyn | kevlarman: there was a decent pa patch for wine once |
| 19:32.43 | kevlarman | valdyn: no there wasn't |
| 19:32.51 | valdyn | kevlarman: ok, decent enough for me |
| 19:32.54 | kevlarman | valdyn: that patch broke the tests horribly |
| 19:32.56 | FDFlock | valdyn: Evolutions works just fine, so it seems to be an Icedove issue (BTW, Debian stable here) |
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| 19:33.07 | valdyn | kevlarman: anyway, its no longer there |
| 19:33.18 | FDFlock | s/Evolutions/Evolution/ |
| 19:33.21 | kevlarman | valdyn: vlc *does* support oss |
| 19:33.34 | kevlarman | just not the build in debian multimedia for no apparent reason |
| 19:33.41 | valdyn | kevlarman: theres a multimedia branch of wine that claims to support pa, doesnt work for me |
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| 19:34.08 | valdyn | kevlarman: yea, thats what i assumed ( about vlc ) |
| 19:34.11 | kevlarman | valdyn: as long as pa doesn't fix its issues with alsa, i can't use it |
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| 19:34.39 | FDFlock | Why would anyone use VLC, when we have mplayer{,2} ? |
| 19:34.40 | kevlarman | valdyn: i have closed source games that will never be updated to do things the way pulse requires to get low latency |
| 19:34.50 | valdyn | kevlarman: my only issue with pa is wine |
| 19:35.15 | kevlarman | valdyn: good for you, my issues with pa are numerous |
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| 19:35.35 | valdyn | kevlarman: but wine has issues with alsa too, so... |
| 19:35.45 | kevlarman | and as long as they don't even care about the fact that they break my system, i can't use it |
| 19:35.45 | valdyn | kevlarman: ossv4 has to suit you |
| 19:35.57 | FDFlock | well, wine just HAS ISSUES, period! |
| 19:36.02 | FDFlock | couldn't resist |
| 19:36.24 | JordiGH | dondelelcaro: All in all, A++++ would run this again. |
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| 19:37.06 | kevlarman | valdyn: the build of vlc in debian (not -multimedia) even supports ossv4 device enumeration |
| 19:37.40 | FDFlock | kevlarman: Just curious, does VLC support VDPAU? |
| 19:37.52 | kevlarman | FDFlock: dunno |
| 19:38.04 | kevlarman | probably |
| 19:38.27 | kevlarman | but i think my cpu is fast enough i wouldn't notice the frequency bump to 1 core if it decoded in software |
| 19:38.28 | valdyn | kevlarman: you should probably bug marillat |
| 19:38.35 | educr0w | Hello, In rc.conf DAEMONS I have (syslog-ng network crond), I want to add acpid, in which position should I add it?? |
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| 19:38.56 | v1k1ng0 | hey, hello |
| 19:39.31 | v1k1ng0 | I have debian sid installed, I've done update a few days ago |
| 19:39.32 | FDFlock | kevlarman: I see, thank you. (Some quick Googling says that it does support VDPAU)... BTW, no matter how powerful your CPU, high-res high-bitrate video an still bring it to its knees. |
| 19:39.45 | FDFlock | s/an/can/ |
| 19:39.50 | v1k1ng0 | and I don't have sound ONLY for speakers now ... I have kde and pulseaudio and alsa |
| 19:39.54 | v1k1ng0 | someone can help me? |
| 19:40.21 | kd123 | v1k1ng0: try this command 'sudo alsactl init' |
| 19:40.27 | kevlarman | FDFlock: 6 core thuban @ 3.3? :P |
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| 19:40.35 | kd123 | it'll set alsa to it's default |
| 19:40.42 | catsup | anyone know a way to find out what processes on a system are consuming entropy from /dev/random ? |
| 19:40.45 | kevlarman | FDFlock: short of 4k it's not going to sweat |
| 19:40.59 | darkelfjuggalo1 | will i need aparticular month release? |
| 19:41.13 | v1k1ng0 | kd123: for headphones works ... it is the estrange |
| 19:41.25 | kevlarman | catsup: you could try the fuser thing |
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| 19:41.28 | v1k1ng0 | kd123: and I have a bluetooh headphone too and it works |
| 19:41.31 | kd123 | v1k1ng0, but not for speakers? |
| 19:41.37 | v1k1ng0 | kd123: exactly |
| 19:41.44 | FDFlock | kevlarman: I've not kept up with hardware, but my lowly laptop can decode fullHD (1080p) video with <5% CPU usage thanks to VDPAU ;) |
| 19:41.47 | kd123 | hmm |
| 19:42.11 | v1k1ng0 | kd123: with pavucontrol I choose speakers as output |
| 19:42.22 | kd123 | have you tried turning up the speaker sound for the pc speakers via alsamixer |
| 19:42.29 | v1k1ng0 | kd123: I see volume ok and it seems that work, but no sound for speakers |
| 19:43.00 | v1k1ng0 | kd123: how I do that? |
| 19:43.07 | v1k1ng0 | kd123: I have alsamixer opened now |
| 19:43.12 | v1k1ng0 | as card I see pulseaudio |
| 19:43.18 | v1k1ng0 | but I can change with F6 |
| 19:43.34 | kd123 | v1k1ng0, open a terminal type alsamixer |
| 19:43.40 | v1k1ng0 | yes, done |
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| 19:44.19 | v1k1ng0 | kd123: when I close alsamixer |
| 19:44.24 | v1k1ng0 | I see an error |
| 19:44.33 | v1k1ng0 | /usr/share/alsa/pulse-alsa.conf may be old or corrupted: consider to remove or fix it |
| 19:44.44 | v1k1ng0 | I don't have that file in my system |
| 19:44.47 | v1k1ng0 | do you have it? |
| 19:44.59 | kevlarman | FDFlock: i haven't tried this one myself, but the chip should be more than capable of encoding 1080p60 in real time while still leaving 2 cores for the game it's encoding the output of to run on |
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| 19:46.23 | epicfail | guys wtf =( when i install nvidia-glx-dev it automatically removes nvidia-glx and im sitting in the dark (no X) |
| 19:46.46 | kd123 | do you have sound now? |
| 19:47.00 | epicfail | i think so... |
| 19:47.20 | v1k1ng0 | kd123: but what may I modify in alsamixer? I see all well |
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| 19:47.44 | kd123 | v1k1ng0, no I don't have pulse-alsa.conf |
| 19:47.52 | v1k1ng0 | ok |
| 19:48.03 | v1k1ng0 | and asound.conf in /etc? |
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| 19:48.20 | v1k1ng0 | I have speaker with 78 level and with 00 |
| 19:48.25 | v1k1ng0 | enable I think |
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| 19:49.25 | kd123 | v1k1ng0, turn up the speaker volume in alsa mixer... does that work? |
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| 19:50.06 | epicfail | hey do you guys have a nerd for me helping me to solve http://www.pasteall.org/30188 this bugs? |
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| 19:50.12 | delvalle26 | what's the simplest way to block a package from ever being installed? |
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| 19:50.15 | Amnesia | hi question |
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| 19:50.25 | Amnesia | does anyone over here know some repository for new gcc versions? |
| 19:50.46 | kd123 | v1k1ng0, I don't have asound.conf in /etc either |
| 19:50.58 | kd123 | Amnesia, have you looked in backports? |
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| 19:51.13 | luchos | hi there, how to set composity manager in a way that never changes? |
| 19:51.21 | Amnesia | kd123: ue |
| 19:51.23 | Amnesia | yep* |
| 19:51.30 | Amnesia | I'm running squeeze.. |
| 19:51.32 | epicfail | hey do you guys have a nerd for me helping me to solve http://www.pasteall.org/30188 this bugs? |
| 19:51.39 | educr0w | In rc.conf DAEMONS I have (syslog-ng network crond), I want to add acpid, in which position should I add it?? |
| 19:51.49 | v1k1ng0 | kd123: I have it 100%, volume, but it doesn't work :( it works only for headphones |
| 19:51.53 | Ryccardo | delvalle26: you set it to "hold" -- the easiest way to do that is probably Aptitude (text mode) or Synaptic (GTK) |
| 19:51.58 | rozie | Amnesia: take a look on backports.debian.org |
| 19:52.08 | v1k1ng0 | kd123: it worked before, but some update may modify some file |
| 19:52.09 | Amnesia | rozie: I have |
| 19:52.13 | Amnesia | rozie: already using it:-) |
| 19:52.16 | delvalle26 | Ryccardo: thanks, will look into it, I prefer working in textmode if I can |
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| 19:52.31 | kd123 | Amnesia... well you could pull it out of wheezy or sid |
| 19:52.39 | Ryccardo | delvalle26: but then manually requesting its installation will turn off hold |
| 19:52.51 | Amnesia | kd123: hm |
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| 19:53.05 | delvalle26 | is there a way to do it with apt-get or dpkg? |
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| 19:53.10 | kd123 | v1k1ng0, ok... when you run 'sudo alsactl init' what does it say? |
| 19:53.14 | Amnesia | got some bad experiences with mixed systems.. |
| 19:53.15 | epicfail | hey do you guys have a nerd for me helping me to solve http://www.pasteall.org/30188 this bugs? |
| 19:53.20 | delvalle26 | I'm gooling at the moment, I just never want pulseaudio to install... |
| 19:53.25 | delvalle26 | or any apps that need it |
| 19:53.26 | delvalle26 | :) |
| 19:53.34 | delvalle26 | *googling |
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| 19:54.16 | zeev | could somebody please post his ls -la /usr/lib/cgi-bin/ ? I have changed it mistakenly... |
| 19:54.20 | Amnesia | anyone? |
| 19:55.08 | kd123 | Amnesia... that's the only way I'd know how you could get a newer version of gcc... pulling it from testing or sid... sorry |
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| 19:55.20 | Amnesia | hm ok, well thanks:) |
| 19:55.32 | kd123 | you're welcome |
| 19:55.40 | v1k1ng0 | kd123: |
| 19:55.43 | v1k1ng0 | # alsactl init |
| 19:55.44 | v1k1ng0 | No protocol specified |
| 19:55.44 | v1k1ng0 | xcb_connection_has_error() returned true |
| 19:55.44 | v1k1ng0 | Found hardware: "HDA-Intel" "IDT 92HD73C1X5" "HDA:111d7675,10280490,00100103" "0x1028" "0x0490" |
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| 19:56.35 | v1k1ng0 | kd123: http://paste.debian.net/160352/ |
| 19:56.44 | zeev | could somebody please post his ls -la /usr/lib/cgi-bin/ ? I have changed it mistakenly... |
| 19:56.45 | kd123 | wb v1k1ng0 |
| 19:56.46 | ChibaPet | Anyone know offhand if it's possible to do per-transport filtering with rsyslogd? Specifically, I want to have some rules match anything that comes in over a TCP or UDP transport only. Is that possible? |
| 19:56.51 | kd123 | ok lol... stupid kick |
| 19:58.02 | kd123 | xcb_connection_has_error() returned true -> this means pulse audio hasn't connected to X... |
| 19:58.11 | zeev | i.e. - I need default permissions for /usr/lib/cgi-bin/ |
| 19:58.23 | ChibaPet | zeev - almost certainly 0755 |
| 19:58.24 | delvalle26 | incase someone wants it to, this will keep pulseaudio out of your system |
| 19:58.27 | delvalle26 | echo "pulseaudio hold" | sudo dpkg --set-selections |
| 19:58.29 | kd123 | v1k1ng0, what files did you update to sid |
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| 19:58.30 | kd123 | ? |
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| 19:59.02 | zeev | ChibaPet: why do you guess? can you look it up? |
| 19:59.10 | v1k1ng0 | kd123: I don't remember ... I have sid ... it was an update of sid |
| 19:59.17 | v1k1ng0 | I've done some updates ultimately |
| 19:59.25 | v1k1ng0 | and I listen music always by headphones |
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| 19:59.30 | ChibaPet | zeev, I guess because any other answer would be patently insane. |
| 19:59.38 | v1k1ng0 | but yesterday I listen for headphones and it doesn't work |
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| 19:59.57 | luchos | hi there, how to set composity manager in a way that never changes, instead of disable and enable it after reboot? |
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| 20:00.06 | kd123 | v1k1ng0.... so the headphones don't work now either? |
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| 20:02.08 | v1k1ng0 | kd123: headphones works |
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| 20:02.30 | v1k1ng0 | kd123: speakers is what not works |
| 20:02.40 | kd123 | ok |
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| 20:02.56 | v1k1ng0 | do you know how change sound output? |
| 20:03.02 | v1k1ng0 | I only know do it for pavucontrol |
| 20:03.10 | delvalle26 | Anyone using lightdm on sid? Does it work well gnome-keyring and nm-applet? |
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| 20:05.06 | kd123 | v1k1ng, no I don't... I'm sorry I can't help you |
| 20:05.40 | v1k1ng0 | kd123: ok, thanks anyway |
| 20:05.52 | kd123 | v1k1ng0, when you use sid these crazy things happen :P |
| 20:06.05 | kd123 | v1k1ng0, good luck |
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| 20:09.12 | kd123 | Do I have to modify my routing table to do IP Forwarding to a client? |
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| 20:09.56 | kd123 | or can i just edit my iptables via these two commands? |
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| 20:10.23 | kd123 | iptables --table nat --append POSTROUTING --out-interface eth0 -j MASQUERADE |
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| 20:10.33 | kd123 | iptables --append FORWARD --in-interface eth1 -j ACCEPT |
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| 20:11.50 | gotmynick | if you can ping the client from the firewall, you should not modify any routing table to forward packets |
| 20:11.56 | kd123 | so with those 2 commands the "out-interface" is the interface on the server with internet connectivity right? |
| 20:12.14 | gotmynick | anyway, are you sure of your second rule ? (all and every packet/protocol/port/state) |
| 20:12.23 | kd123 | gotmynick, ok |
| 20:12.57 | kd123 | what second rule? |
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| 20:13.14 | gotmynick | iptables --append FORWARD --in-interface eth1 -j ACCEPT |
| 20:13.26 | gotmynick | ^^^that rule, maybe it needs a target ? |
| 20:13.56 | kd123 | ah I see... that allows all/every packet/protocol/port/state through, right? |
| 20:14.33 | gotmynick | and you may need a prerouting one, at a side of forward |
| 20:15.02 | kd123 | gotmynick, I'm very new to doing this, so you'll have to excuse my inexperience... isn't the target for routing eth1, eth0 |
| 20:15.12 | gotmynick | iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -i eth0 -p tcp --dport 80 -o eth1 -d 192.168.0.2 -j ACCEPT #and then allow forward for the same port/host |
| 20:15.20 | gotmynick | (as an example) |
| 20:15.39 | kd123 | so what comes in eth1 gets translated to eth0 |
| 20:15.40 | rozie | kd123: you need to enable ip forwarding as well |
| 20:15.51 | rozie | it's disabled by defult |
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| 20:16.17 | rozie | you don't need to touch routing |
| 20:16.27 | kd123 | rozie, right to do that I simply edit '0' to '1' in my /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward file right? |
| 20:16.37 | gotmynick | right |
| 20:16.53 | rozie | yes. and ipv6 if you want to use it |
| 20:17.00 | kd123 | ok |
| 20:17.20 | rozie | and you may not need to make NAT. depends. |
| 20:17.22 | kd123 | gotmynick, so the command "-d 192.168.0.2" is the address for eth0 or eth1? |
| 20:17.35 | gotmynick | o sorry, I was helping you to redirect traffic to a internal host, and maybe you just need "output" |
| 20:17.35 | kd123 | eth1 right |
| 20:17.38 | rozie | kd123: you need NAT? |
| 20:18.00 | ChibaPet | Okay, and the answer to my question can be found here: http://www.rsyslog.com/tag/more-complex-scenarios/ In short, to do per-transport rules in rsyslogd you say something like "$InputTCPServerBindRuleset remote" to catch that transport, and set a default otherwise. |
| 20:18.02 | kd123 | I need my client access to the internet, but that's it |
| 20:18.12 | gotmynick | kd123, then forget my example about prerouting+forward |
| 20:18.12 | kd123 | block incoming allow outgoing |
| 20:18.18 | kd123 | ok |
| 20:18.33 | rozie | but do you have public IP addresses or do you use private prefix? |
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| 20:19.12 | rozie | iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o <WAN_IFACE> -j MASQUERADE |
| 20:19.26 | kd123 | rozie... well eth0 uses dhcp |
| 20:19.32 | kd123 | but eth1 is statically set |
| 20:19.32 | rozie | this above should be enough for basic NAT |
| 20:19.59 | gotmynick | with default policies (accept everything) |
| 20:20.17 | kd123 | so 'iptables --table nat --append POSTROUTING --out-interface eth0 -j MASQUERADE' |
| 20:20.24 | rozie | kd123: DHCP/static is just a method of assigning IP. zero connection with private/public ;) |
| 20:20.48 | rozie | if eth0 is you WAN iface... ;) |
| 20:20.50 | kd123 | and then is 'iptables --append FORWARD --in-interface eth1 -j ACCEPT' needed? |
| 20:20.59 | rozie | no |
| 20:21.03 | gotmynick | if you change default policies to DROP, you may need to allow forward for lan traffic, and output for your firewall |
| 20:21.03 | kd123 | rozie, ah ok |
| 20:21.36 | gotmynick | at least for DNS and HTTP so apt works |
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| 20:21.48 | kd123 | so a public ip would be the one my isp assigns and a private would be an internal ip correct? |
| 20:22.01 | rozie | kd123: make some search, it's well described... |
| 20:22.03 | fasta | How can I tell the system that I want everything to be displayed such that it is 1080x1920 instead of 1920x1080? |
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| 20:22.33 | kd123 | ok thanks for the help gotmynick and rozie |
| 20:22.35 | fasta | That is, rotate the screen. |
| 20:22.42 | gotmynick | xrandr ? |
| 20:22.44 | somiaj | fasta: are you trying to flip your monintor 90 deg? |
| 20:22.54 | fasta | somiaj: yes |
| 20:22.55 | somiaj | fasta: xrandr can rotate your screen, 'man xrandr' |
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| 20:23.33 | somiaj | there is a --rotate option, there is also some front end gui's you can use for xrandr |
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| 20:24.21 | fasta | somiaj: does my screen have to support this? |
| 20:24.46 | fasta | somiaj: the goal would be to get more vertical screenspace basically. |
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| 20:25.41 | kd123 | fasta, you can rotate on all screens |
| 20:25.47 | Spec | Hello. I am mirroring a few repositories with apt-mirror. Is it possible to run apt-mirror to get a single repository updated, while leaving the others alone? |
| 20:25.55 | kd123 | do you use Gnome? it's a gnome option under screen |
| 20:25.57 | somiaj | fasta: your video card driver has to support xrandr extensions |
| 20:26.12 | Spec | or should i just provide an alternate config file with only the mirrors i want updated present? |
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| 20:26.31 | fasta | somiaj: it appears to be working. |
| 20:26.35 | somiaj | fasta: the nvidia driver in squeeze is a bit to old for that (took the non-free nvidia driver a long time for xrandr support, in that case you may have to use their special configuration. nvidia-settings tool may do that for you) |
| 20:26.53 | fasta | somiaj: it kind of makes me want a 2160x1920 screen now. |
| 20:26.56 | fasta | somiaj: :) |
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| 20:28.08 | daedhel | hi, what would be the best way to make cpufreq-utils to set the powersave governor while on battery, and the performance governor while on ac ? |
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| 20:31.09 | valdyn | daedhel: what could be the point of that? |
| 20:31.11 | rocketmagnet | somiaj: the thing is i've two cards - an intel and a geforce on my laptop, i've read that this has something to do called hybrid, does the backport supports 3d accelleration ? i want to use the latest drivers from nvidia so i've the best driver available for my card (i'm doing lot of 3d stuff so it's important for me) |
| 20:31.12 | amphi | daedhel: you'd be better to use ondemand governor for both |
| 20:31.36 | amphi | daedhel: at least, on intel |
| 20:31.59 | Olipro | what's the name of the x64 gcc&binutils packages for cross-compiling (x86 target) |
| 20:32.04 | daedhel | amphi: oh yeah? i thought "powersave would be the best way to save battry power" |
| 20:32.12 | daedhel | amphi: oh yeah? i thought "powersave" would be the best way to save battry power |
| 20:32.31 | amphi | daedhel: no, intel reccommend the ondemand governor on batttery |
| 20:32.38 | daedhel | oh |
| 20:32.40 | daedhel | nice |
| 20:32.48 | daedhel | on eless proble |
| 20:32.50 | daedhel | m |
| 20:32.55 | daedhel | amphi: thanks |
| 20:33.07 | amphi | daedhel: IIRC, it's because the cpu finishes whatever it's doing and reverts to a low power idle state quicker |
| 20:34.15 | daedhel | ok |
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| 20:34.53 | davidgul | hi guys |
| 20:34.57 | daedhel | also, i cant get the unico gtk3 package to work |
| 20:35.05 | daedhel | amphi: thanks man |
| 20:35.25 | davidgul | How can i cheack for my network card mac adrress in debian ? |
| 20:35.44 | bunny69 | when you are thirsty... nothing like a glass of an ice cold, mineral water... |
| 20:36.12 | dvs | davidandgoliath: ip link ? |
| 20:36.24 | dvs | davidgul: ip link ? |
| 20:36.25 | MaxLanar | davidgul: with ifconfig ? |
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| 20:37.18 | amphi | daedhel: http://www.lesswatts.org/projects/processor-power/index.php may be of interest |
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| 20:38.07 | daedhel | amphi: thanks |
| 20:38.25 | scwizard | to install the openwall kernel patches on squeeze, can I apt-get install? |
| 20:38.50 | scwizard | is there an unoffical repository where I can find the packages? |
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| 20:39.07 | scwizard | or does the licencing mean I need to compile from source or some nonsense? |
| 20:39.42 | Maff | Hi, I'm having some very weird issues with openssh-server |
| 20:40.07 | Maff | Basically, whenever I try to start it, I get the error at the top of this paste http://pastie.org/private/nfgw6wbtkuu6txfczdgdw |
| 20:40.54 | Maff | I've tried purging and reinstalling openssh-server (and starting with a fresh sshd_config) |
| 20:40.58 | Maff | Nothing seems to work |
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| 20:41.46 | valdyn | !openwall |
| 20:41.46 | valdyn | scwizard: what is in those patches? |
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| 20:42.10 | rocketmagnet | question: is it possible to use the latest kernel with my debian squeeze (from kernel.org), i would like to try the 3.2.12 kernel |
| 20:42.32 | valdyn | scwizard: looking at openwall.com and seeing the "latest" being for 2.4.37.9 im slightly irritated.. |
| 20:42.34 | dvs | 3.3 is later! |
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| 20:43.22 | nvz | dvs yeah well, 4.2 is so late it isn't even here yet! |
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| 20:43.44 | Maff | I've googled, but there was only about two references to the error sshd is giving me, neither were helpful |
| 20:44.10 | tremon | Maff: why is your init script calling dpkg? fs corruption? |
| 20:44.31 | Maff | tremon: It's not, that's a paste from aptitude purge openssh-server && aptitude install openssh-server |
| 20:44.41 | dvs | nvz: heh |
| 20:45.02 | tremon | why does it start with /etc/init.d/ssh restart then? |
| 20:45.21 | Maff | I pasted the output of ssh restart, then pasted the output from aptitude |
| 20:45.59 | tremon | Maff: you must have used a weird copy+paste there :) |
| 20:46.09 | Maff | :P |
| 20:46.45 | Maff | But yeah, it's giving me that error and I really don't understand what's causing it |
| 20:46.48 | tremon | do you know where the "auto configuration failed" is coming from? |
| 20:46.56 | Maff | I have no idea :/ |
| 20:47.02 | tremon | maybe try sh -x /etc/init.d/ssh restart? |
| 20:47.04 | scwizard | valdyn, wow that's from before squeeze :( |
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| 20:47.54 | Maff | tremon: It's coming from sshd itself |
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| 20:48.10 | v1k1ng0 | kd123: hi |
| 20:48.20 | v1k1ng0 | kd123: I've fixed the sound problem! |
| 20:48.41 | Maff | http://pastie.org/private/zukej8m6tegxoyhbjbnbw |
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| 20:49.11 | tremon | Maff: I'm suspecting a library (openssl) issue |
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| 20:49.43 | ChrisH | Anyone having experience with WebDAV served on Debian? I am no asking for config hints but "real life" experience.. Users with Win* and Linux accessing remote. |
| 20:50.21 | tremon | Maff: strace -o sshd.trace /usr/sbin/sshd -t ? |
| 20:50.21 | kd123 | v1k1ng0, Great... How'd you do it? |
| 20:51.09 | Maff | tremon: I didn't think to purge openssl and then reinstall it, just reinstalled it |
| 20:51.21 | Maff | I purged and reinstalled openssl and that's sorted it, thanks a lot |
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| 20:52.48 | v1k1ng0 | kd123: in alsa-base.conf of /etc/modprobe.d |
| 20:52.50 | kd123 | what package do I need installed to build python files? I thought libpython2.6-dev would do it |
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| 20:53.07 | v1k1ng0 | kd123: I had: |
| 20:53.08 | kd123 | but it still says python, not found |
| 20:53.32 | v1k1ng0 | options snd-hda-intel index=0 model=auto |
| 20:53.36 | v1k1ng0 | it worked ... |
| 20:53.42 | tremon | kd123: python files are usually not built, they are interpreted |
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| 20:53.45 | frostschutz | kd123: what do you mean by python files... for compiling python extensions you might need libpython dev, for regular python scripts *.py you need python itself |
| 20:53.56 | v1k1ng0 | but with some update it doesn't work, I've change to model=alienware and it works now |
| 20:54.15 | kd123 | v1k1ng0, ahhh good to know. I'm glad you fixed it |
| 20:54.23 | v1k1ng0 | thanks |
| 20:54.27 | kd123 | frostschutz and tremon, its a .py file |
| 20:55.04 | kd123 | i've installed python2.6-minimal and libpython2.6-dev, but the command 'python setup.py build' fails |
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| 20:57.21 | tremon | kd123: maybe it doesn't like you |
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| 20:58.24 | kd123 | tremon, tell me something I don't know :) |
| 20:59.10 | kd123 | I mean python2.6-dev and libpython2.6... not libpython2.6-dev |
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| 21:03.38 | simonlnu | kd123: "it fails". how? |
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| 21:04.09 | simonlnu | this is also something you can ask in #python, unless it's distro-specific |
| 21:04.47 | kd123 | it says "-bash: python: command not found" |
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| 21:05.18 | kd123 | I'm issuing the command 'python setup.py build' under root |
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| 21:05.48 | rozie | kd123: apt-cache search python |
| 21:06.03 | simonlnu | um, you also need the interpreter itself. |
| 21:06.08 | kd123 | I'm issuing the command on a computer that doesn't have a user set... just root. Would that pose a problem |
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| 21:06.24 | kd123 | ? |
| 21:06.28 | darkelfjuggalo1 | What is the best Video player for GNOME on Squeeze? the default movie player is having an issue where if i have to pause the video for something it will not resume playing, i have to come out of the program and restart |
| 21:06.41 | simonlnu | kd123: it's in python2.6-minimal |
| 21:06.49 | tremon | kd123: yes, but not for python |
| 21:06.54 | simonlnu | also check your $PATH variable |
| 21:07.04 | tremon | ,file /usr/bin/python |
| 21:07.08 | judd | Search for /usr/bin/python in squeeze/i386: python-minimal: usr/bin/python |
| 21:07.33 | simonlnu | that's just a symlnik for the default python version |
| 21:07.37 | simonlnu | link |
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| 21:08.19 | tremon | hum, cool. |
| 21:08.30 | tremon | ,depends python-minimal |
| 21:08.31 | judd | Package python-minimal in squeeze/i386 -- depends: python2.6-minimal (>= 2.6.6-1~), dpkg (>= 1.13.20). |
| 21:08.38 | kd123 | I have python2.6-minimal installed |
| 21:08.38 | kd123 | so I probably should add a user and then reinstall python2.6? |
| 21:08.40 | phogg | darkelfjuggalo1: I always just use mplayer. What's this "default movie player"? |
| 21:08.54 | simonlnu | kd123: check PATH |
| 21:09.31 | tremon | kd123: file /usr/bin/python? |
| 21:09.36 | darkelfjuggalo1 | under Applications in sound & video menu it says 'Movie Player' |
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| 21:09.51 | tremon | phogg: that's totem |
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| 21:10.44 | tremon | mutters something about program names being too difficult for gnome users |
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| 21:11.09 | kd123 | simonlnu and tremon.. I have the executable /usr/bin/python2.6 |
| 21:11.45 | kd123 | simonlnu, how do I check the $PATH? |
| 21:12.10 | armagad | I am trying to figure out what is automatically restarting services I manually stop. Is there something in the /etc/rc* that will do this? |
| 21:12.20 | phogg | darkelfjuggalo1: afaik totem has a user switchable back end. What's yours set to? Also, you could try smplayer. |
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| 21:12.46 | tremon | armagad: a reboot tends to do that. how are you stopping them? |
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| 21:13.00 | armagad | service |
| 21:13.13 | armagad | service apache2 stop |
| 21:13.19 | swarze | ciao |
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| 21:13.44 | swarze | !list |
| 21:13.45 | dpkg | VATTENE VIA! |
| 21:13.47 | darkelfjuggalo1 | switchable backend? |
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| 21:13.51 | armagad | definitely happening without a reboot |
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| 21:14.22 | thinkerbell | hey, you know google-chrome browser, it comes with a pdf reader but chromium-browser browser doesn't, is there an add-on or something? |
| 21:14.29 | simonlnu | kd123: echo $PATH; or printenv PATH |
| 21:14.40 | tremon | armagad: should work just fine. do you have cron scripts that shutdown/restart apache? |
| 21:15.06 | kd123 | simonlnu, ok thanks.... let me try that |
| 21:15.09 | simonlnu | packages updates will do that too |
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| 21:17.30 | kd123 | echo $PATH returns: '/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin' |
| 21:18.12 | tremon | kd123: file `which python` |
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| 21:18.52 | kd123 | tremon, is that a command 'file `which python`' |
| 21:18.54 | kd123 | ? |
| 21:19.19 | oscurochu | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:19.20 | tremon | kd123: yes |
| 21:19.30 | tremon | oscurochu: first, mount /boot ? |
| 21:19.31 | kd123 | ok let me try that |
| 21:19.44 | oscurochu | tremon, no i just deleted everything |
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| 21:20.32 | tremon | oscurochu: aptitude reinstall pkgs or apt-get --reinstall install pkgs |
| 21:20.41 | rocketmagnet | does someone know what bumblebee is about ?? |
| 21:20.53 | tremon | kd123: mind the backticks (`) |
| 21:21.44 | tremon | rocketmagnet: the carbon-based insect or the silicon-based alien? |
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| 21:22.19 | kd123 | tremon... I did and it prompts me on how to use file |
| 21:22.32 | tremon | kd123: which python then? |
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| 21:22.43 | kd123 | the command works fine on a different computer though |
| 21:23.14 | kd123 | tremon, just type.... which python |
| 21:23.15 | kd123 | no backticks? |
| 21:23.36 | tremon | yes without. It probably won't give you any output, indicating that there is no command named python |
| 21:23.54 | kd123 | ok let me check |
| 21:24.02 | rocketmagnet | tremon: no idea what you mean, i've an acer aspire 5750g and just want to have 3d accelleration but the official drivers gives me a blackscreen after installing and rebooting |
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| 21:24.41 | oscurochu | Couldn't find package "pkgs". |
| 21:25.09 | tremon | oscurochu: for pkgs, you need to find out which kernel and grub packages you have installed |
| 21:25.15 | kd123 | tremon, 'which python' gave me no output |
| 21:25.17 | tremon | rocketmagnet: likewise |
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| 21:25.44 | oscurochu | 3.2.0-2 kernel |
| 21:25.50 | thinkerbell | how do I uncompress a .deb package |
| 21:25.55 | kd123 | oscurochu, did you use amd64 or i646 |
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| 21:26.02 | kd123 | edit e686 |
| 21:26.05 | valdyn | thinkerbell: dpkg -x |
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| 21:26.24 | tremon | kd123: tried apt-get install python? |
| 21:26.26 | oscurochu | i686 |
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| 21:26.46 | kd123 | tremon, I did apt-get install python2.6 |
| 21:26.54 | kd123 | is there a difference? |
| 21:26.58 | thinkerbell | valdyn, thx |
| 21:27.21 | kd123 | oscurochu, 3.2.0-2... isn't that a sid kernel? |
| 21:27.55 | tremon | kd123: the kernel is also in backports |
| 21:28.24 | kd123 | tremon, oh ok |
| 21:28.26 | tremon | kd123: python2.6 will only pull in python2.6-minimal, which will give you the python2.6 command but not python |
| 21:28.27 | nikitis | Hello, I'm writing a debian installer for the Playstation 3 system. Otheros++. I wrote the current one for 2.6.34, but am having trouble compiling kernel 3.2.11 for it. I'm receiving a compiling error when reaching CC kernel/signal.c line 255. in relation to reload1.C i believe to be with gcc. Would anyone be able to help me troubleshoot this issue? I think it may be gcc related. |
| 21:28.48 | kd123 | tremon... ugh... ok let me install python and see if that works.... thanks tremon |
| 21:28.54 | tremon | nikitis: I'd try #gcc (if it exists) or #linux |
| 21:29.29 | nikitis | tremon: okay, but if it is gcc i think it may be too old for 3.2.11. if I'm debootstrapping. What's the best method to install experimental 4.7 gcc? |
| 21:29.46 | kd123 | oscurochu.... download the kernel image again... like 'apt-get -t squeeze-backports install linux-image-i686'... check the command |
| 21:29.54 | tremon | nikitis: compile it from source, I guess |
| 21:30.17 | kd123 | oscurochu... you can search for the kernel you want via 'aptitude search linux-image* |
| 21:30.30 | nikitis | tremon: okay, any guides on how to compile gcc from source to overwrite deb packaged gcc? |
| 21:30.48 | oscurochu | kd123 wheezy |
| 21:30.49 | darkelfjuggalo1 | i just installed smplayer but it will not load the Disc from the drive...when i attempt to it says 'MPlayer finished unexpectedly. Exit code:1' |
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| 21:31.34 | tremon | !tell nikitis about uupdate |
| 21:32.20 | armagad | tremon: Thanks for your help I couldn't find anything in /etc/cron.d/ so I started checking long running processes I finally found the culprit: monit |
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| 21:32.36 | kd123 | tremon... that was it no python pkg |
| 21:32.40 | kd123 | thanks |
| 21:33.18 | kd123 | oscurochu, ok search for your linux image... via 'aptitude -t wheezy search linux-image*' |
| 21:33.32 | tremon | nikitis: alternatively, just install the new version in /opt or /usr/local (I'd still use checkinstall though) |
| 21:33.34 | kd123 | I'll be the one with i686 in it |
| 21:33.39 | kd123 | edit: It'll |
| 21:34.05 | nikitis | tremon: okay i'll give it a go, |
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| 21:39.52 | thinkerbell | How can I tell if I am running a 32-bit or 64-bit kernel? Because I was following these instruction for installing pdf plug into chromium-browser,http://www.codeproject.com/Articles/240307/Enable-PDF-viewing-in-Chromium, and it neither stable/unstable worked, so I am thinking maybe I am supposed to use the 64bit one |
| 21:40.28 | kevlarman | thinkerbell: uname -m |
| 21:40.49 | thinkerbell | i686 |
| 21:40.52 | thinkerbell | 32 |
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| 21:42.41 | afidegnum | hello |
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| 21:42.55 | afidegnum | is there any other alternative to apt-get update ? |
| 21:43.13 | thinkerbell | neither worked, how do you get the pdf viewer plugin for chromium, might as well just install google-chrome then |
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| 21:44.02 | kd123 | oscurochu... you need to do more than just reinstalling the kernel |
| 21:44.24 | kd123 | how did you wipe /boot? |
| 21:44.24 | yann_ | hello :) I am considering moving some servers to a kvm/aws/openstack/similar cloud infrastructure in hope to get higher availability without having to build a complex HA system, but I was wondering - in case an application server, and the cloud would "start automatically my server on another node", what are my chances of having a completely borked filesystem? What filesystem would be recommended for that type of usage? |
| 21:45.06 | kd123 | via rm -r command? |
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| 21:45.17 | mjt | the same chance as you'd have after an unexpected poweroff |
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| 21:45.48 | yann_ | mjt, I've had various levels of success with that :) |
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| 21:46.02 | yann_ | would ext4 be for example considered more reliable than ext3? |
| 21:46.22 | mjt | probably yes |
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| 21:46.47 | mjt | it is actually more about applications than about filesystem |
| 21:47.08 | mjt | filesystems nowadays are pretty good at handling unexpected powerdowns |
| 21:47.19 | yann_ | I ve been considering a move to innodb from myisam, and separating data from / to reduce the chances of a corrupted root fs |
| 21:47.39 | mjt | the fs should not corrupt it will recover |
| 21:47.50 | yann_ | mjt > my move is motivated by a virtualbox VM that died this morning after an outage :( |
| 21:48.02 | mjt | but user files which were being written to at the moment of crash may be damaged |
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| 21:48.37 | mjt | um, virtualbox is entirely different story. as far is i remember virtualbox implements "unflushable" writeback cache |
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| 21:48.59 | mjt | so even if the filesystem ensures no data loss it will be lost in virtualbox |
| 21:49.20 | yann_ | so I was really unlucky? :P |
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| 21:49.40 | mjt | that's why all write tests of virtualbox shows speeds higher than bare metal |
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| 21:50.05 | kd123 | how do I open a port on my interface? |
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| 21:50.13 | kevlarman | mjt: even for files larger than RAM? |
| 21:50.15 | valdyn | kd123: its open |
| 21:50.58 | valdyn | kd123: we cant know how to forward a port on your router to your debian box |
| 21:51.01 | kd123 | valdyn: really so all the ports for say eth0 are already open? |
| 21:51.10 | yann_ | unflushable writeback cache, wait - actually that doesn't sound too good |
| 21:51.12 | mjt | kevlarman: not all write tests does a linear write of a huge amount of data. |
| 21:51.25 | valdyn | kd123: most are not open because no program is running on it |
| 21:51.44 | kd123 | I'm connecting two computers together via an ethernet cable... and I need the server and the client to have a certain port open so they can communicate |
| 21:51.52 | kd123 | via a program |
| 21:51.55 | yann_ | well in two unexpected reboots, it's the second time one vm dies |
| 21:51.59 | protosab | hi all...I haven't used straight Debian in years....does it still use SU or did it move onto SUDO? |
| 21:52.00 | valdyn | kd123: but you hardly want to "open" a port where no program is listening |
| 21:52.17 | yann_ | maybe using virtualbox for servers wasn't a great idea after all |
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| 21:52.21 | kd123 | I thought I'd have to open up a port on both the server/client.... |
| 21:52.25 | valdyn | kd123: so start your program, the port is open then by default |
| 21:52.37 | kd123 | valdyn, ah ok |
| 21:52.37 | kevlarman | protosab: i don't remember if sudo is installed by default, but if it isn't you're free to install it |
| 21:52.44 | kd123 | valdyn... thanks for the help |
| 21:53.08 | protosab | Kevlarman: lol actually I ask because I really really HATE SUDO... |
| 21:53.21 | kevlarman | protosab: and you'd be wrong |
| 21:53.42 | Turl | protosab: sudo -i |
| 21:53.49 | kevlarman | protosab: sudo allows much more fine grained permissions, and not having a single root password |
| 21:53.58 | Turl | and that ^ |
| 21:54.25 | jbrks | kd123, a port can be open -- but that doesn't mean a client can connect, because a firewall rule can say "no" between the port and the client |
| 21:54.26 | protosab | kevlarman: I prefer single root password, much easier in a multi user system |
| 21:54.34 | kevlarman | protosab: why? |
| 21:54.42 | kevlarman | then you can't easily revoke or add another user |
| 21:55.09 | scwizard | 17:47 0:14 [dpkg] <defunct> <- I think I screwed something up horribly :( |
| 21:55.15 | tremon | jbrks: erm... doesn't a "open" port imply that there is no firewall blocking it? |
| 21:55.15 | kd123 | jbrks... ok so how do I add a rule to my firewall to allow the connection |
| 21:55.15 | protosab | kevlarman: I'm the only one that knows how to truly use the system, don't want others screw it up |
| 21:55.38 | kevlarman | protosab: then only give your account privledges |
| 21:55.43 | tremon | kd123: there is no firewall on a default Debian install, that's what valdyn has been trying to tell you |
| 21:55.52 | kevlarman | protosab: having a root password in the first place is a bad thing |
| 21:56.00 | kd123 | tremon, ok |
| 21:56.07 | jbrks | kd123, if you really worry about that and you're testing something from a hobby point, then you can flush the firewall rules until the next reboot (iptables -F ) |
| 21:56.11 | kd123 | thanks jbrks and tremon |
| 21:56.53 | protosab | kevlarman: tried removing privileges from user on ubuntu and it broke several things ( like sound no longer worked) |
| 21:57.10 | protosab | kevlarman: SUDO is no more or less secure than SU anyway |
| 21:57.17 | tremon | protosab: and you blame sudo for that? |
| 21:57.34 | kevlarman | protosab: and that's not true |
| 21:57.40 | kd123 | jbrks, ok... thanks for the tip |
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| 21:58.03 | kevlarman | protosab: with su, you only need to know the password, with sudo you need to know the account name and password to get root |
| 21:58.54 | protosab | tremon: it only happened after I removed the user privileges and nothing got back until I restored privileges |
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| 21:59.55 | tremon | protosab: you do know that gui permissions have everything to do with consolekit, and audio permissions have everything to do with filesystem rights? |
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| 22:01.03 | protosab | kevlarman: thats only a worry on a untrustworthy network |
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| 22:01.47 | protosab | kevlarman: the other people using the system don't know the first thing about using a computer...besides "click to open" |
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| 22:02.04 | tremon | kevlarman: actually, that's not an argument against sudo. Any decent box has remote root access disabled, so with su you'd need one account name and two passwords |
| 22:02.22 | kevlarman | tremon: who said anything about remote? |
| 22:02.29 | Jayflux | hey guys I want to move my VPS from one place to another, its all on debian. Anyone know a good way of doing this? Or do I need the hosting company to send me an image? |
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| 22:02.37 | tremon | kevlarman: gotcha |
| 22:03.27 | Ryccardo | tremon: doesn't sudo only use the current user's password by default? |
| 22:03.28 | tremon | Jayflux: hot migration? |
| 22:03.43 | tremon | Ryccardo: by default, yes |
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| 22:04.23 | protosab | kevlarman: actually...I would be managing the system remotely...its the family computer...my personal one and the server, no one but myself has access to them except the files I share |
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| 22:06.29 | epicfail | guys can someone help me fix that http://www.pasteall.org/30194 |
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| 22:07.28 | Jayflux | tremon ive not heard of that |
| 22:07.56 | tremon | Jayflux: it's the "normal" way how people move virtual servers |
| 22:08.14 | Jayflux | tremon ok I will google it thanks |
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| 22:08.47 | scwizard | $ uname -a gives me: |
| 22:09.00 | scwizard | Linux server-name 2.6.32-5-686 #1 SMP Mon Jan 16 16:04:25 UTC 2012 i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 22:09.10 | epicfail | come on guys click here -> http://www.pasteall.org/30194 and tell me how to install that dependency |
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| 22:09.38 | tremon | epicfail: a question would help. No one is going to click on a random link unless you tell us what's behind it |
| 22:09.50 | scwizard | however apt says: linux-patch-grsecurity2 is already the newest version. |
| 22:09.53 | scwizard | and I just rebooted |
| 22:10.04 | scwizard | what's going on here? |
| 22:10.07 | FDFlock | epicfail: install graphics card drivers, obviously? |
| 22:10.20 | tremon | well, almost no one :) |
| 22:10.23 | FDFlock | epicfail: But why are you compiling ?things |
| 22:10.53 | epicfail | FDFlock, i have.... if i install nvidia-glx-dev it uninstalls nvidia-glx and its getting dark here =/ |
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| 22:12.07 | FDFlock | epicfail: on my box nvidia-glx-dev does not conflict nvidia-glx (Squeeze, aka Debian stable) |
| 22:12.12 | tremon | scwizard: it's a kernel patch, you need to use the package to compile a custom kernel |
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| 22:12.39 | scwizard | "No manual entry for linux-patch-grsecurity2" :( |
| 22:12.57 | scwizard | tremon, I've compiled kernels before, but I'm not sure how to do so with a patch I apt-get installed |
| 22:13.01 | scwizard | any pointers? |
| 22:13.36 | Ryccardo | scwizard: package names aren't always the name of the main program/file/whatever, dpkg has an advanced "show contents" option |
| 22:14.02 | epicfail | FDFlock, http://www.pasteall.org/30195 |
| 22:14.14 | FDFlock | epicfail: Do you really need nvidia-glx-dev? What are you trying to install? Maybe it's already in backports? |
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| 22:15.07 | FDFlock | epicfail: Oh, I see |
| 22:15.30 | tremon | scwizard: /usr/share/doc/linux-patch-grsecurity2/README-kernelpatch.Debian ? |
| 22:15.37 | scwizard | thanks tremon |
| 22:16.09 | FDFlock | epicfail: I'm not sure I can help though. For me installing nvidia diver was quite easy, and I didn't use backports. |
| 22:16.10 | epicfail | FDFlock, wine 1.4.rc5 |
| 22:16.26 | FDFlock | So, WINE is the reason you want it. |
| 22:16.36 | FDFlock | dislikes WINE |
| 22:17.05 | epicfail | FDFlock, yes... also dist upgrade would be a solution but as last option |
| 22:17.15 | epicfail | FDFlock, you see an other way? |
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| 22:17.37 | FDFlock | yes I do, unless you want to run games |
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| 22:18.12 | FDFlock | epicfail: two questions... (1) how much RAM do you have? (2) Do you own any Windows XP licenses? |
| 22:18.24 | FDFlock | You see where this si going ;) |
| 22:18.32 | FDFlock | s/si/is/ |
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| 22:19.24 | ajwak95[arch] | trying to install squeeze on my server, and my 1TB drive randomly isn't being detected. Its a WD Caviar Green - bios shows 3M-WDC WD10EACS-00D6B0 |
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| 22:19.29 | ajwak95[arch] | just trying to see what driver I need |
| 22:19.32 | epicfail | FDFlock, 4gb and no |
| 22:19.32 | FDFlock | epicfail: WINE is not the answer, virtualization usually is! |
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| 22:20.15 | epicfail | FDFlock, dont think i can reach sufficient speed on a vm to play 3d games... |
| 22:20.48 | FDFlock | epicfail: True, forget 3D in a VM... everything else will be very fast though, especially with kvm+VirtIO |
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| 22:21.01 | FDFlock | ajwak95[arch]: check the SATA cable! |
| 22:21.15 | scwizard | tremon, why is there a kernel patch package for gresecurity but not a kernel package? |
| 22:21.16 | ajwak95[arch] | it works with dban, spinrite and freebsd |
| 22:21.21 | scwizard | like with the thing already compiled basically? |
| 22:21.33 | FDFlock | ajwak95[arch]: You don't need drivers for the hard drive, you need drivers for the disk controller, and most are well-supported in Linux. |
| 22:21.40 | tremon | scwizard: because no one has stepped up to maintain it I guess |
| 22:21.45 | scwizard | ok |
| 22:21.49 | scwizard | how do I aquire a "top level linux kernel source directory" |
| 22:21.57 | FDFlock | ajwak95[arch]: You never need drivers for a disk! |
| 22:21.58 | scwizard | apt-get source? |
| 22:21.58 | epicfail | FDFlock, so i guess i have to dist upgrade (scared like shit) |
| 22:22.05 | ajwak95[arch] | FDFlock, well in that case, that's what i need to figure out. because its all working fine and dandy in BSD |
| 22:22.06 | scwizard | erm apt-source |
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| 22:22.26 | scwizard | apt-get source linux? |
| 22:23.09 | FDFlock | epicfail: It's scary for me as well, take a full backup before proceeding! (with tar) |
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| 22:23.20 | tremon | scwizard: I think you want apt-get source <exact-linux-version>, otherwise you might not get the full sources |
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| 22:23.52 | tremon | scwizard: although package linux-source-2.6.32 looks promising |
| 22:23.56 | epicfail | FDFlock, did it with clonezilla yesturday! way ahead of you =) |
| 22:24.00 | scwizard | I think I got this |
| 22:24.03 | FDFlock | epicfail: backports are generally ok, but installing drivers from backports doesn't look like a good idea to me |
| 22:24.07 | scwizard | now just to wait 9000 years for it to compile |
| 22:24.21 | FDFlock | epicfail: I guess that's why there is a conflict |
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| 22:24.48 | epicfail | FDFlock, i had no other choice.... my card was not supported without |
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| 22:24.56 | FDFlock | epicfail: I see. |
| 22:25.17 | tremon | ajwak95[arch]: http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ ? |
| 22:25.48 | ajwak95[arch] | this just /recently/ started |
| 22:25.53 | ajwak95[arch] | it booted CentOS one day fine |
| 22:26.00 | ajwak95[arch] | then it randomly stopped and it wouldn't boot |
| 22:26.09 | ajwak95[arch] | debian was on this machine for ~2 years before the CentOS move |
| 22:26.31 | FDFlock | epicfail: As for me, everything became easier when I decided to just forget about 3D gaming in Linux (except some great little games like "Neverball" - try it!). Today I'm using a VM in order to run some specialized Windows-only programs. Very few, thankfully. |
| 22:27.33 | epicfail | FDFlock, i have not used windows for like 5 years and simply the thought on it scares me more than a dist upgrade or ubuntu |
| 22:27.51 | epicfail | FDFlock, is nvidia-glx the propertary version? |
| 22:27.59 | FDFlock | yes, it is |
| 22:28.15 | FDFlock | epicfail: KVM + VirtIO is *REALLY* fast... Oh, and I've seen reports about using a video card natively in a VM, but then you need a separate card for the Linux host (eg. the integrated one). |
| 22:28.44 | FDFlock | epicfail: Every time I have to use Windows it's almost like a torture. |
| 22:28.58 | mjt | heh. why everyone remembers virtio when it is almost as fast on emulated ahci or even ide? |
| 22:29.00 | FDFlock | But there are a few highly specialized applications |
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| 22:29.28 | epicfail | FDFlock, okey i try this nov driver now and look what happens |
| 22:29.39 | FDFlock | mjt: Because VirtIO is also very cool :P |
| 22:29.48 | FDFlock | kidding |
| 22:29.49 | mjt | i don't understand "cool" |
| 22:30.45 | mjt | the most important thing about disk i/o in kvm is to use right cache mode. it has *much* greather impact on the speed than virtio vs ide. |
| 22:30.48 | FDFlock | well, skipping unneeded virtualization layers is self-evidently a Good Thing (TM) |
| 22:30.51 | BangoJango | mjt: opposite of fail |
| 22:30.52 | tremon | mjt: is there any reason (in whatever situation) not to use virtio? I just use it as a catch-all |
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| 22:31.15 | mjt | if the guest supports virtio, use virtio |
| 22:31.26 | tremon | thanks :) |
| 22:31.28 | FDFlock | all relevant guests support VirtIO |
| 22:31.34 | kevlarman | FDFlock: unfortunately i don't have any onboard graphics to try the xen thing :( |
| 22:31.41 | mjt | is [k]freebsd relevant? |
| 22:31.53 | kbar | virtio is great |
| 22:31.55 | FDFlock | kevlarman: I remember reading about it with kvm |
| 22:32.06 | kbar | too bad it doesn't really work with some os's |
| 22:32.10 | kevlarman | FDFlock: xen is a lot better tested/documented |
| 22:32.12 | FDFlock | mjt: totally irrelevant for my needs |
| 22:32.24 | FDFlock | mjt: I was tempted to say irrelevant in general |
| 22:32.26 | epicfail | i think i need more eggheads to solve my problems (or more alcohol) |
| 22:32.26 | mjt | so add "relevant to me" |
| 22:32.31 | mjt | heh |
| 22:32.35 | FDFlock | :) |
| 22:33.00 | kevlarman | mjt: zfs and jails are nice, worse compatibility with he who breaks your audio is not so nice |
| 22:33.52 | kevlarman | mjt: also nvidia is the only driver that can reasonably do 3d on freebsd kernels |
| 22:34.03 | mjt | btw, video pasthrough is not actually supported in kvm |
| 22:34.20 | kevlarman | non-crappy open source drivers require kms |
| 22:34.21 | mjt | those who succeeded did that by pure accident |
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| 22:34.45 | epicfail | do i have the right kernel for my nvidia glx? does the novou driver work with my system too? |
| 22:34.51 | mjt | kevlarman: i wasnt asking about kfreebsd in general, but in context of kvm guests |
| 22:34.52 | FDFlock | kevlarman: nVidia is the only driver that can reasonably do 3D on Unix-like systems, period! |
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| 22:35.17 | kevlarman | FDFlock: the open source drivers have been getting pretty decent |
| 22:35.28 | FDFlock | kevlarman: Where's VDPAU ;) |
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| 22:35.43 | kevlarman | FDFlock: some insane guy has vdpau working on nouveau |
| 22:36.03 | FDFlock | Well, VDPAU is not 3D, but it's half the reason to use "dedicated graphics" |
| 22:36.04 | kevlarman | FDFlock: current issue is that no one knows how to set fermi clocks |
| 22:36.18 | FDFlock | kevlarman: WOW, that's great news indeed! |
| 22:36.42 | kevlarman | FDFlock: also it requires rewriting the firmware from scratch to make it distributable |
| 22:36.50 | kevlarman | FDFlock: but the proof of concept is there |
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| 22:36.58 | FDFlock | "< mjt> btw, video pasthrough is not actually supported in kvm" --> thank you, good to know |
| 22:37.01 | uncmar | so, What kind of skype alternative is there? |
| 22:37.13 | scwizard | sudo /usr/src/kernel-patches/all/apply/grsecurity2 |
| 22:37.19 | scwizard | No "Greater Security for Linux 2.6" patch found for kernel version 2.6.32 |
| 22:37.22 | scwizard | whaaaaaaaaaaa :/// |
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| 22:37.34 | scwizard | fineeeeeeeeee |
| 22:37.44 | scwizard | I'll just get stuff from upstream and do things myself |
| 22:37.53 | mcmc | hey guys, could you maybe help me with a problem? I'm using a ipod touch 2g and when I tried to use it with my debian/squeeze pc, I was told that there's a problem |
| 22:38.17 | mcmc | since I'm german, the output was in german: "Einhängen von iPod touch nicht möglich - Unbehandelter Fehler in Zugriffsrechten (-5)" |
| 22:38.23 | FDFlock | uncmar: Does opening a TCP connection manually with netcat and feeding some video count as an "alternative"? ;) |
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| 22:38.57 | uncmar | FDFlock: not considering the other end is Windows. |
| 22:39.36 | FDFlock | uncmar: Yes, I was only kidding... too bad Skype was bought by MS |
| 22:39.59 | FDFlock | mcmc: No idea about iPod... does it support being used as an external drive? |
| 22:40.16 | FDFlock | mcmc: Most non-Apple MP3 players do, and work fine in Linux |
| 22:40.18 | ajwak95[arch] | ok so my manual says, '2 SATA II ports by mcp61p' |
| 22:40.27 | ajwak95[arch] | which driver do I use for that? |
| 22:40.52 | uncmar | FDFlock: I didn't care much for Skype b4 MS bought it. |
| 22:41.24 | FDFlock | uncmar: Neither did I, but some of my friends are using it |
| 22:41.47 | mcmc | nope, it doesn't. I found out that it's possible that the problem is based on a library which is not new enough (squeeze: 1.0.2 and u need >=1.0.4 which is a part of testing distribution) |
| 22:41.52 | FDFlock | it was suspected as spyware anyway |
| 22:42.08 | FDFlock | mcmc: backports? |
| 22:42.22 | mcmc | so maybe that would help. So, can u tell me how to install a testing package on my stable box? |
| 22:42.28 | mcmc | what's backports :P |
| 22:42.40 | FDFlock | tell mcmc about apt-pinning |
| 22:43.01 | mcmc | btw the lib is "libimobiledevice1" |
| 22:43.01 | FDFlock | mcmc: But apt-pinning is NOT a recommended method |
| 22:43.11 | mcmc | what's apt-pinning? |
| 22:43.24 | mcmc | and thus, what is a recommended method? |
| 22:43.33 | uncmar | so... No? |
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| 22:44.20 | mcmc | I just need this one lib, nothing more .. :( |
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| 22:45.26 | uncmar | I see ekiga suggested. Last I knew, ekiga doesn't support the Video aspect. |
| 22:45.29 | FDFlock | mcmc: using backports is generally safe, but the package should have been made available from someone else (it might alreasy be!)... Apt-pinning is a way to mix stable/testing, but ONLY safe for non-critical packages with few dependencies |
| 22:45.37 | FDFlock | so, probably safe in your case |
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| 22:45.51 | uncmar | ok, I guess it does. |
| 22:46.42 | FDFlock | mcmc: Of course you can build it from source, using the Debian facilities. I can't give you instructions about that |
| 22:46.53 | FDFlock | because I've never done it myself |
| 22:47.57 | FDFlock | but it should be easy... ask dpkg :P |
| 22:47.58 | mcmc | how do I find the backport, if available? |
| 22:47.58 | jhutchins_wk | !ssb |
| 22:47.58 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
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| 22:48.50 | FDFlock | jhutchins_wk: Thank you, that's what I had in mind (I've never used it myself) |
| 22:49.31 | jhutchins_lt | It's better to do that than pinning. I gather pinning is a bit deprecated in more recent releases. |
| 22:50.35 | mcmc | is it on "http://backports-master.debian.org/" the "packages" links? <- i mean to search for the backport? |
| 22:50.48 | ajwak95[arch] | in freebsd the driver is 'nVidia nForce MCP61 SATA300 controller' |
| 22:50.53 | jhutchins_lt | mcmc: Which package? |
| 22:51.00 | ajwak95[arch] | any ideas as to what that would be as a linux driveR? |
| 22:51.19 | mcmc | "libimobiledevice1" |
| 22:51.28 | jhutchins_lt | !tell ajwak95[arch] about nvidia |
| 22:51.43 | FDFlock | ajwak95[arch]: Did it detect the drive even once? If it did, it's already loading the correct driver, I think... |
| 22:51.43 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions libimobiledevice1 |
| 22:51.44 | judd | Package: libimobiledevice1 on i386 -- squeeze: 1.0.2-1 |
| 22:52.02 | jhutchins_lt | mcmc: There would not appear to be a backport yet. |
| 22:52.07 | BangoJango | i've heard linux isn't stable is that true? |
| 22:52.14 | mjt | ajwak95[arch]: it is not driver it is the device. the driver for linux most likely is sata_nv.ko |
| 22:52.15 | DanDare | ajwak95[arch], its a laptop ? |
| 22:52.24 | ajwak95[arch] | FDFlock, no it hasn't seen the drive at all |
| 22:52.30 | FDFlock | BangoJango: Yeah, Linux is a crap OS, now go away |
| 22:52.31 | ajwak95[arch] | it's a desktop system |
| 22:52.33 | FDFlock | troll |
| 22:52.35 | mcmc | okay, so no backport :/ |
| 22:52.45 | ajwak95[arch] | all im trying to do is get it to install |
| 22:53.01 | ajwak95[arch] | and it just tells me that it hasn't detected a disk and I need to tell it what driver to load |
| 22:53.06 | FDFlock | ajwak95[arch]: I see |
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| 22:53.12 | ajwak95[arch] | the disk is perfectly fine |
| 22:53.31 | jhutchins_lt | mcmc: The problem is that there doesn't seem to be a newer version in sid, which would be needed for either an official or a personal backport. |
| 22:53.33 | gnarface | ajwak95[arch]: so... ignore? |
| 22:53.34 | FDFlock | is your motherboard very new? I remember nVidia chipsets having very good support |
| 22:53.54 | ajwak95[arch] | nope |
| 22:53.59 | ajwak95[arch] | its a good 4 years old at least |
| 22:54.03 | ajwak95[arch] | gnarface, what? |
| 22:54.22 | gnarface | ajwak95[arch]: you say the disk appears to work fine? |
| 22:54.31 | mjt | MCP61 is about 8 years old |
| 22:54.41 | FDFlock | ajwak95[arch]: I've never had to manually load a disk controller driver, and I used to have a motherboard very similar to that |
| 22:54.53 | ajwak95[arch] | gnarface, yeah, i installed freebsd to it about an hour ago just to make sure its fine |
| 22:55.00 | FDFlock | ajwak95[arch]: really strange! |
| 22:55.05 | jhutchins_lt | ajwak95[arch]: Wait, are we talking about a hard drive or a driver for the video? |
| 22:55.11 | ajwak95[arch] | hard drive |
| 22:55.15 | ajwak95[arch] | its not detecting the disk |
| 22:55.20 | gnarface | ajwak95[arch]: make sure you're in AHCI mode in the bios, or you have to treat it as a normal PATA controller |
| 22:55.23 | mcmc | but there is. http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=libimobiledevice1&searchon=names&suite=all§ion=all |
| 22:55.32 | kd123 | I have a program running on a client that should be listening on a port... how can I tell that port is open? |
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| 22:55.43 | ajwak95[arch] | i'll triple check but AHCI should be enabled |
| 22:55.46 | ajwak95[arch] | let me check again |
| 22:55.47 | FDFlock | AHCI is a Good Thing anyway |
| 22:55.49 | kd123 | I've pinged the client, 192.168.0.1, and it responds |
| 22:55.52 | mcmc | "sid (unstable) -> 1.0.6-a alpha and 1.0.4-2 hppa" |
| 22:56.02 | FDFlock | it SHOULD be enabled, if it isn't turn it on |
| 22:56.14 | jhutchins_lt | mcmc: Ok, then you can do an ssb. |
| 22:56.15 | BangoJango | kd123: you can test a service by telnetting to the port. |
| 22:56.16 | gnarface | ajwak95[arch]: at least, i think. i've got a nvidia board but the sata controller is actually a dual pata/sata controller (the infamous marvell POS) so i actually have to load the pata_marvell to make my stupid sata ports work |
| 22:56.24 | mjt | if it is not in ahci mode sata_nv will handle it |
| 22:56.35 | ajwak95[arch] | the thing is, debian worked on this machine before |
| 22:56.43 | mcmc | what does ssb mean? I mean it's a shortened version of which term? |
| 22:56.47 | ajwak95[arch] | ill try to modprobe it |
| 22:56.57 | mjt | it loads automatically |
| 22:57.06 | ajwak95[arch] | ok so then thats not working out |
| 22:57.07 | ajwak95[arch] | lol |
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| 22:57.20 | jhutchins_lt | mcmc: see message from dpkg. |
| 22:57.25 | mcmc | thx :) |
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| 22:57.56 | Jayflux | hmm Im getting a lot of 404 Not Found when i do apt-get update on debian. Anyone know why that is? |
| 22:57.56 | ajwak95[arch] | ok...so sata_nv isn't a module thats included |
| 22:58.11 | FDFlock | ajwak95[arch]: When the installer stops, switch to another Virtual Console and check the messages, or start a shell (by pressing escape and selecting it in the menu) and type "dmesg" |
| 22:58.18 | kd123 | BangoJango... thanks for the help. how would I telnet to the port? |
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| 22:58.35 | ajwak95[arch] | FDFlock, i have and nothing interesting, that i've seen, shows up |
| 22:58.37 | ajwak95[arch] | i'll do it again |
| 22:58.38 | jhutchins_lt | Jayflux: Bad servers? Servers in the middle of an update? Pasetbin your sources.list |
| 22:58.50 | FDFlock | ajwak95[arch]: or "dmesg | less" |
| 22:58.57 | FDFlock | hopes less is available |
| 22:58.58 | mcmc | I'll try that, I'll tell you the results in a moment :P |
| 22:58.59 | ajwak95[arch] | less isn't included in the installed |
| 22:59.01 | ajwak95[arch] | installer* |
| 22:59.09 | FDFlock | more? |
| 22:59.13 | ajwak95[arch] | neither is ssh, scp or anything of use that would help |
| 22:59.17 | ajwak95[arch] | hmm forgot about more |
| 22:59.19 | ajwak95[arch] | lemme check |
| 22:59.24 | ajwak95[arch] | yeah more works |
| 22:59.25 | ajwak95[arch] | :) |
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| 23:00.08 | FDFlock | I think it's using busybox, that's why so few options... |
| 23:00.17 | Jayflux | jhutchins_lt http://pastebin.com/Kk5xjZMC |
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| 23:01.23 | ajwak95[arch] | ok so hw-detect exited nonzero |
| 23:01.27 | ajwak95[arch] | as expected |
| 23:02.03 | ajwak95[arch] | of the modules available i don't se any suitable ones |
| 23:03.08 | jhutchins_lt | Jayflux: <ooks ok to me. Hopefully a temporary problem. 404's indicate you're reaching a server. Do you have a proxy? |
| 23:03.19 | FDFlock | Did they strip older drivers out of the installer?! Oo |
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| 23:03.36 | Jayflux | nope jhutchins_lt :/ |
| 23:03.40 | ajwak95[arch] | my motherboard is an MSI k9n6PGM2-V |
| 23:03.41 | cobra-the-joker | Hey there every one ... can i add some function like "Search with catfish" in dolphin ... like when i right click on it ? |
| 23:03.43 | ajwak95[arch] | if thats any help |
| 23:04.05 | Jayflux | jhutchins_lt can i add more to the sources.list so it tries them? or does it not work like that? |
| 23:04.06 | themill | dpkg: tell Jayflux about make squeeze sources.list |
| 23:04.11 | themill | Jayflux: that security line is wrong |
| 23:04.25 | mjt | ajwak95[arch]: btw. what are you trying to install? wheezy? |
| 23:04.30 | ajwak95[arch] | squeeze |
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| 23:04.44 | themill | Jayflux: also, there are plenty of other mirrors you could use other than ftp.d.o |
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| 23:04.59 | FDFlock | ajwak95[arch]: see also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ |
| 23:04.59 | Jayflux | themill how do i add mirrors? |
| 23:05.15 | themill | Jayflux: you could do what dpkg just told you. |
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| 23:05.40 | ajwak95[arch] | FDFlock, i dont have any linux OS' on my machine |
| 23:05.43 | ajwak95[arch] | so I cant |
| 23:06.13 | FDFlock | well, you have the installer CD which IS Linux OS, but you can't paste from there |
| 23:06.20 | gnarface | ajwak95[arch]: which debian version+kernel version are you trying to use here? supposedly sata_nv supports this chipset |
| 23:06.32 | ajwak95[arch] | also, with any machine on my network, I can't fetch sources without adding 'suite=squeeze debian-installer/allow_unauthenticated=true' |
| 23:06.44 | ajwak95[arch] | gnarface, whatever is on the installcd |
| 23:06.45 | FDFlock | ajwak95[arch]: You can use any live CD for that |
| 23:06.57 | gnarface | ajwak95[arch]: well which install cd? |
| 23:06.58 | ajwak95[arch] | gparted wont work either |
| 23:07.00 | jhutchins_lt | Jayflux: Doesn't look like the mirrors are having any particular problem, it's probably the security line themill spotted. |
| 23:07.01 | ajwak95[arch] | the 6.0 install |
| 23:07.26 | FDFlock | ajwak95[arch]: gparted? the gparted Live CD? |
| 23:07.31 | FDFlock | or the app? |
| 23:07.47 | ajwak95[arch] | livecd |
| 23:07.52 | gnarface | ajwak95[arch]: got the latest bios? and which 6.0 install cd? there have been 4 patched releases and for all i know the businesscard one still won't have your drivers |
| 23:07.59 | Jayflux | themill which security line? sorry i wasnt with you on that |
| 23:08.13 | ajwak95[arch] | the latest netinstall iso |
| 23:08.25 | ajwak95[arch] | again |
| 23:08.26 | FDFlock | ajwak95[arch]: I guess that the kernel on that CD doesn't properly detect your disk drivers, either... but you can still use it to run lspci, if needed |
| 23:08.29 | themill | Jayflux: the line in your sources.list with the word "security" in it… |
| 23:08.32 | ajwak95[arch] | debian worked on this machine for 2 YEARS |
| 23:08.36 | ajwak95[arch] | before this is happening |
| 23:08.38 | Jayflux | themill whats wrong with it? should I take it out? |
| 23:08.49 | themill | Jayflux: it's nonsense. You should do what dpkg told you |
| 23:08.50 | gnarface | ajwak95[arch]: could have been working in IDE compat mode? |
| 23:09.04 | ajwak95[arch] | disk speeds were too fast for IDE |
| 23:09.06 | FDFlock | ajwak95[arch]: It's crazy, I agree with you |
| 23:09.07 | Jayflux | themill ive added the 3 lines dpkg gave me |
| 23:09.13 | jhutchins_lt | ajwak95[arch]: You may have already answered this, but are you sure the BIOS shows the HD? |
| 23:09.19 | Jayflux | i just don't know weather to take those 2 original lines out |
| 23:09.19 | ajwak95[arch] | yes |
| 23:09.20 | gnarface | ajwak95[arch]: what happens if you open a console from the net installer (alt-f2) and try to manually modprobe sata_nv ... what do you get? |
| 23:09.30 | ajwak95[arch] | gnarface, no module is found |
| 23:09.31 | themill | Jayflux: you can get rid of the other two lines. Then run apt-get update. |
| 23:09.39 | jhutchins_lt | Jayflux: You do not want duplicate sources. |
| 23:09.41 | ajwak95[arch] | i've gotta go pick up pizza |
| 23:09.45 | ajwak95[arch] | bbiab |
| 23:09.46 | epicfail | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:09.50 | epicfail | how can that even be? |
| 23:10.15 | Jayflux | yeah seems to be fine now |
| 23:10.24 | DanDare | ajwak95[arch], I had already such issues. It was defective HDD in my case. BIOS recognized HD but them no more after loading manufacturer diagnosis CD or linux. |
| 23:10.27 | Jayflux | thanks themill and jhutchins_lt |
| 23:11.00 | DanDare | ajwak95[arch], HDD was on warranty, guys on store just tested another HDD (same model), and it started working |
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| 23:11.23 | FDFlock | ajwak95[arch]: I'll say it again, try a different SATA cable if you can... (you never know! although that would mean that the controller is recognised) |
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| 23:11.43 | DanDare | ajwak95[arch], try loading manufacturer diagnosis CD/media, just to check everything about the drive and get a sure |
| 23:11.44 | cobra-the-joker | Hey there every one ... can i add some function like "Search with catfish" in dolphin ... like when i right click on it ? |
| 23:12.18 | FDFlock | ajwak95[arch]: +1 to what DanDare said, try the manufacturer's diagnostic CD |
| 23:13.11 | gnarface | suspects out-dated bios |
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| 23:13.33 | FDFlock | gnarface: i shouldn't matter, the original BIOS was supposed to work |
| 23:13.58 | FDFlock | but getting the latest wouldn't hurt |
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| 23:14.26 | DanDare | hmm.. SATA-I, II, III. Maybe a BIOS update sounds like a good idea also |
| 23:14.56 | gnarface | FDFlock: i've had a number of nvidia-based motherboards over the years. one thing i've learned the hard way is that the *original* bios almost *never* works completely, and that the kernel developers often unwittingly patch support for it right out |
| 23:15.01 | FDFlock | there's no such thing as SATA-II and SATA-III |
| 23:15.27 | DanDare | FDFlock, yeah? Good to know ... |
| 23:16.11 | FDFlock | DanDare: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serial_ATA#Terminology |
| 23:16.31 | DanDare | Oh, right |
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| 23:17.00 | FDFlock | it's the same protocol, just different timings ;) |
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| 23:17.52 | DanDare | FDFlock, yeah, and drives are suposed to handle compatibility backwards, I suppose |
| 23:17.57 | gnarface | hey has anyone had random kernel panic or IO lock when removing SD/SDHC cards from usb adapters? *not* mounted? |
| 23:18.40 | gnarface | follow up question: anyone got advice on a *good* usb SD/SDHC adapter? all i could find were two brands of really shady looking cheap ones |
| 23:19.04 | FDFlock | gnarface: no, and no. All are shady/cheap looking ones :( |
| 23:19.11 | DanDare | heh |
| 23:19.24 | dvs | ha! |
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| 23:19.36 | frostschutz | gnarface: I have a cheap one... it works fine though. Although I never remove just the card, I remove the entire reader before switching cards. it tends to not detect capacity changes etc. properly otherwise |
| 23:19.36 | FDFlock | gnarface: I had some problems though with a failing USB hub |
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| 23:19.58 | gnarface | frostschutz: thanks for the tip i may try that in the future |
| 23:20.49 | gnarface | FDFlock: eh... always possible but i really hotplug so much other crap on this usb bus without any trouble... the one random panic from this SDHC adapter is conspicuous |
| 23:20.51 | FDFlock | gnarface: Also try a new USB cable, those thing are sometimes as unreliable as the USB technology itself |
| 23:20.57 | FDFlock | that is, VERY unreliable |
| 23:21.04 | gnarface | hmm |
| 23:21.41 | gnarface | if the thing was labeled usb 2.0 but wasn't actually, could that cause this problem? |
| 23:21.41 | FDFlock | but even that shouldn't cause a kernel panic... I agree |
| 23:21.42 | dvs | likes the little Transcend ones |
| 23:21.55 | gnarface | dvs: got a link? |
| 23:22.12 | gnarface | this one i have doesn't even have a brand |
| 23:22.19 | gnarface | the package was hilarious though |
| 23:22.22 | gnarface | engrish |
| 23:22.42 | DanDare | brand is just "made in china" |
| 23:22.49 | gnarface | yea pretty much |
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| 23:22.52 | FDFlock | gnarface: Even if it had a "brand" (LOL), it would be something thay thought on-the-spot at the factory! |
| 23:23.02 | FDFlock | like mine :P |
| 23:23.07 | gnarface | so i've used it twice, and it didn't lock the second time |
| 23:23.23 | gnarface | but i feel like that's a game of russian roulette and i don't want to play it often |
| 23:23.24 | DanDare | 50% until now |
| 23:24.00 | gnarface | it was 100% reliable until i unplugged it |
| 23:24.23 | FDFlock | it still is 100% reliable as a paperweight! |
| 23:24.27 | DanDare | well, so use it that way :p |
| 23:24.34 | FDFlock | but not heavy enough, probably |
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| 23:24.41 | gnarface | although it did something weird ... even though the card i put in was unpartitioned, udev recognized the adapter itself as the device node, so /dev/sdb1 was the actual card ... is that normal? someone told me it was but it seems... wrong |
| 23:24.53 | dvs | gnarface: http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=11_171&item_id=020603 |
| 23:24.57 | gnarface | it weighs about 2 grams. it would be a terrible paper weight |
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| 23:25.28 | FDFlock | too bad |
| 23:25.44 | gnarface | thanks dvs, i'm gonna look for one of these next time i'm out |
| 23:25.47 | FDFlock | next time invest in a heavier one :P |
| 23:25.54 | gnarface | heh |
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| 23:26.26 | gnarface | yea dvs suggests one that's almost 10$. it feels dirty but i am starting to think that i need to just look for one closer to 20$ |
| 23:26.31 | DanDare | gnarface, can you paste lsusb for it? Well, now, just out of curiosity |
| 23:26.45 | gnarface | DanDare: uh... sure, stand by |
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| 23:27.39 | gnarface | testing 123 |
| 23:27.43 | gnarface | ok no kernel panic so far |
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| 23:27.52 | gnarface | Bus 001 Device 005: ID 058f:6364 Alcor Micro Corp. Hi-Speed 7-in-1 Flash Card Reader/Writer [Sabrent] |
| 23:27.57 | gnarface | DanDare: ^^^ |
| 23:28.02 | DanDare | Cool, thanks |
| 23:28.19 | gnarface | has slots for other stuff besides SD+SDHC cards |
| 23:28.26 | gnarface | would be super useful if it wasn't so scary |
| 23:28.45 | DanDare | Not exactly a "brand" but http://www.alcormicro.com/en_content/index_en.php |
| 23:29.38 | gnarface | to be honest, that's news to me that it has a name. the box it came in was pretty blue... and that's about all you could say about it other than it had about 1000 made-up specs it supposedly complied to |
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| 23:29.39 | DanDare | The china way of doing things: same stuff sold under 1000 different brands |
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| 23:30.44 | gnarface | so, i have exactly a /dev/sda |
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| 23:31.16 | gnarface | after plugging in this device (before plugging any cards into any of its slots) i now have also: /dev/sdb /dev/sdc /dev/sdd /dev/sde |
| 23:31.39 | gnarface | i know from testing that if i were to plug in say, an SD card, (unpartitioned) it would show up as /dev/sdb1 |
| 23:31.46 | DanDare | gnarface, it has 4 slots for different card types ? |
| 23:31.50 | gnarface | yep |
| 23:31.55 | DanDare | Oh, so that |
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| 23:32.14 | gnarface | this is confusing to say the least, so i wonder if that odd behavior might be related directly to the crash i experienced unplugging it |
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| 23:32.56 | kreign | gnarface, an unpartitioned device will not have a number after the device name. |
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| 23:33.11 | DanDare | gnarface, this is just wild guessing but I would try adding these devices in fstab with "hotplug" directive |
| 23:33.14 | kreign | gnarface, cheap USB device? |
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| 23:33.26 | gnarface | kreign: so you and i would both say (or i would have said before seeing this) but you and i turned out to be completely wrong and somewhat naive, sorry |
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| 23:33.49 | kreign | gnarface, heh. go away. |
| 23:34.06 | kreign | gnarface, there is no readable partition if there is no number/table. it's that simple. |
| 23:34.12 | gnarface | DanDare: what would that do? i didn't have any problems mounting/unmounting, reading or writing to them, the problem only came when i unplugged a card from it that had previously been mounted |
| 23:34.31 | cuit | Hi could someone help me with this please: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/0d80f724/ I installed munin (sys stats generator, following walkthrough from library.linode.com) ended up removing it with apt-get, spawned all these issues, someone here told me to delete it's record from some file which has spawned more issues, I can't upgrade any programs with apt now, help? |
| 23:34.36 | kreign | gnarface, you can create a filesystem on the device itself, though. that'd give you /dev/sdb as a mountable filesystem. not advised. |
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| 23:35.37 | gnarface | kreign: well whatever has happened, this is the facts. no cards plugged in, those devices show up. so i guess the usb device itself is faking a partition table. you can split hairs about terminology all you want, but you'd in fact be wrong if you assumed this device behaved as you'd expect |
| 23:35.47 | FDFlock | gnarface: I also have a card reader that works the same way (showing multiple devices even if nothing is connected to it) and no stability problems, so it's not related I think... My other card reader does NOT work that way |
| 23:36.04 | FDFlock | ...it only shows something when it is connected |
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| 23:36.26 | kreign | gnarface, I'm not talking about the device, I'm talking about what the linux kernel recognizes. ti's likely the usb device itself is a piece of junk and isn't reporting devices properly. |
| 23:36.48 | FDFlock | gnarface: I initially forgot about it because I don't use it much, I prefer my oher one |
| 23:36.51 | gnarface | kreign: and yes, since you're a newcomer to the conversation, yes its a REALLY cheap USB device. i was in fact soliciting advice for better ones cause this one is so weird and seemingly misbehaved |
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| 23:37.15 | kreign | gnarface, let me guess, 5-in-1 USB card reader? I have one. it does that. it's a piece of junk and gets about 1/2 the performance of a 5 year old USB hub I got in china, with a card reader attached. |
| 23:37.26 | FDFlock | ...and yes, mine is cheap-looking crap as well |
| 23:37.28 | gnarface | hates people who go so far out of their way to find someone to say "you're wrong" to that they end up being themselves wrong because they weren't paying attention to the conversation |
| 23:37.33 | kreign | heh |
| 23:37.42 | kreign | we probably all bought the same crap on newegg thinking "this looks nice" |
| 23:37.43 | dvs | sulks |
| 23:37.44 | gnarface | kreign: yea 7-in-1 actually. its positively a piece of shit |
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| 23:38.05 | kreign | gnarface, it'll corrupt data written to the cards, too. at least mine did. |
| 23:38.07 | gnarface | kreign: no i bought it off the shelf thinking "this looks fucking horrifying, but its the only one they have" |
| 23:38.30 | kreign | gnarface, looking for a 3.5" bay reader or osmething external? |
| 23:38.35 | FDFlock | I bought it for 4€ :P |
| 23:38.37 | kreign | gnarface, lol |
| 23:38.37 | gnarface | kreign: so far its short list of violations simply includes "io-locking my whole machine after unplugging" |
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| 23:38.47 | kreign | hah |
| 23:38.49 | gnarface | kreign: usb-connected would be ideal |
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| 23:39.14 | gnarface | kreign: but it doesn't have to be all-in-one, it just has to safely support SD and SDHC cards on a USB2.0 bus |
| 23:39.21 | kreign | gnarface, yeah, the one I got was USB connected, too. I don't think I've seen a card reader that doesn't use the USB bus, tbh (whether in a laptop or external) |
| 23:39.37 | FDFlock | gnarface: You won't find one, all are all-in-one |
| 23:39.50 | epicfail | i wanna upgrade from sqzeezy to wheeze =) |
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| 23:40.25 | epicfail | i wanna upgrade from sqzeezy to wheeze =) what do i have to do? just replace squeeze with wheezy in my sources? |
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| 23:40.29 | FDFlock | kreign: Well, CompactFlaash is protocol-compatible and electrically compatible with IDE, so you can actually directly connect one to your motherboard! |
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| 23:40.37 | gnarface | dpkg: tell epicfail about squeeze->wheezy |
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| 23:41.08 | kreign | gnarface, http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820208470 possibly. |
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| 23:41.17 | FDFlock | s/CompactFlaash/CompactFlash/ |
| 23:41.29 | gnarface | so far to this day the most reliable sd/sdhc card reader i have is the one in my gp2x wiz (which i can mount over usb cleanly while its charging) |
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| 23:41.40 | kreign | FDFlock, I do that on an old celeron I've still got. |
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| 23:42.01 | FDFlock | kreign: Too bad SD[HC] aren't like that! |
| 23:42.05 | gnarface | kreign: yea dvs recommended the same brand |
| 23:42.15 | FDFlock | a SATA compatible card woul rock |
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| 23:42.22 | kreign | FDFlock, SD isn't really a good media. it's faster, but not nearly as resilient. |
| 23:42.26 | tupi | hello debian expert. can't find a proper solution running debian, testing on HP all-in-one omni 200 PC, which has an i3 core integrated graphics processor. someone had the same problem and find a solution, which is described here: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=43171 |
| 23:42.31 | kreign | FDFlock, they make those, too. |
| 23:42.39 | gnarface | ok guys |
| 23:42.42 | FDFlock | hmm, really? |
| 23:42.45 | gnarface | i'm gonna roll the dice and pull the trigger |
| 23:42.49 | kreign | FDFlock, saw one at Fry's for $15 (I've got the ATA version of same) |
| 23:42.55 | FDFlock | ! |
| 23:42.58 | kreign | FDFlock, look on dealextreme.com bet they have them there for about $5 |
| 23:43.00 | gnarface | un-plugs this janky thing, expecting a 50% chance of kernel panic |
| 23:43.14 | gnarface | am i still here? |
| 23:43.19 | gnarface | my lucky day, it seems |
| 23:43.19 | tupi | but even trying the latest [experimental] kernel, i still don't find that the solution has been included ? |
| 23:43.55 | kreign | FDFlock, anyway, don't see any on dx but i know fry's carries them for $15 |
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| 23:45.19 | tupi | and the screen remains blank |
| 23:45.52 | FDFlock | tupi: We're not Debian experts, just users! (at least I'm not)... What's the kernel you are trying to run, which version? |
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| 23:45.59 | FDFlock | kreign: thanks, interesting |
| 23:46.05 | jhutchins_lt | tupi: Getting the graphics working is a matter of getting the right components in xorg, not the kernel. |
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| 23:46.24 | FDFlock | jhutchins_lt: His link points to a kernel bug |
| 23:46.25 | kreign | FDFlock, for the cost, just get a small SSD. Seriously. |
| 23:46.28 | jhutchins_lt | tupi: I would research the graphics support and try to address that. |
| 23:46.31 | epicfail | im not sure what to do with squeeze updates and security. do i have to make a wheezy updates in in some kind? |
| 23:46.34 | tupi | jhutchins, no, in this case it is a kernel problem |
| 23:46.35 | kreign | FDFlock, they're faster and smarter. |
| 23:46.45 | tupi | FDFlock, fine, I am not either |
| 23:46.56 | jhutchins_lt | tupi: If you can get it running in single user mode or in console mode you know it's just the xorg driver you need to fix. |
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| 23:48.04 | kreign | FDFlock, you can get a 30G for about 60$ |
| 23:48.15 | tupi | just tired the experiental 3.3, but the bug correction proposed by Chris Wilson still isn't in the intel_lvds.c and intel_display.c |
| 23:48.35 | tupi | s/tired/tried |
| 23:48.38 | tupi | :) |
| 23:48.42 | FDFlock | kreign: still expensive, but not too much |
| 23:49.13 | epicfail | im not sure what to do with squeeze updates and security. do i have to make a wheezy updates in in some kind? |
| 23:49.13 | kreign | FDFlock, flash memory prices haven't dropped too much. good current gen ones are about $1/GB though. |
| 23:49.18 | epicfail | come on guys |
| 23:49.31 | epicfail | dont ignore mi |
| 23:49.37 | tupi | jhutchins_lt, the problem has been identified, it is here [and the guy has the same box] https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=43171 |
| 23:49.40 | kreign | FDFlock, 100GB is enough for me to use for the system disk for both Windows and Linux. |
| 23:49.48 | epicfail | standing in the middle of the channel naked |
| 23:49.56 | gnarface | epicfail: you don't get "security" updates anymore once you're on wheezy. you just update more often |
| 23:50.08 | gnarface | epicfail: "security" updates are something only for squeeze |
| 23:50.13 | kreign | FDFlock, http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820161493 |
| 23:50.17 | tupi | the problem is that even in the experimental kernel, it's not yet in debian. so what can I do ? |
| 23:50.35 | FDFlock | epicfail: I personally don't ignore you, I just can't advise you because I've not tried that transition... I guess it's the same for the other posters |
| 23:50.58 | FDFlock | kreign: 120 GB is not enough for me (I have one in my laptop) :) |
| 23:51.05 | epicfail | gnarface, and squeeze-updates? do i have wheezy-updates or remove? |
| 23:51.10 | tupi | I mean the proposed solution is here: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/attachment.cgi?id=56796 |
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| 23:51.15 | kreign | FDFlock, ah, yeah. that's something different. |
| 23:51.27 | gnarface | tupi: well if you're up to it you can compile your own still, or get the debian sources and just change the option you need and re-compile. i recommend looking into the tool kernel-package for the task |
| 23:51.35 | gnarface | epicfail: remove |
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| 23:52.23 | FDFlock | tupi: What gnarface said shouldn't be too difficult |
| 23:52.25 | gnarface | epicfail: you now only need two lines: a deb and deb-src line for wheezy. your balls are now, as we say in the old country "to the wall" |
| 23:52.52 | FDFlock | well, gtg, good night to everyone... |
| 23:52.59 | FDFlock | epicfail: good luck! |
| 23:53.01 | gnarface | FDFlock: cheesr |
| 23:53.04 | gnarface | er, cheers |
| 23:53.06 | tupi | gnarface, ok, i can yes, what kernel should i use, the testing, the ustable or the experimental ? |
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| 23:53.09 | kreign | FDFlock, I just assume I'll have a network connection. important stuff is cached via rsync replication on all my devices (encrypted), and keep less immediate stuff on a SAN at home. |
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| 23:53.26 | tupi | is there a debian kernel channel ? |
| 23:53.58 | gnarface | tupi: that depends on what version you need for it to work... as i don't know really i'd just guess maybe the one in unstable if you can get away with it, experimental at last resort |
| 23:53.59 | ajwak95[arch] | re DanDare: didn't get a manufacturer cd |
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| 23:54.17 | FDFlock | kreign: Sounds like a nice setup, but where is the main storage? |
| 23:54.38 | kreign | FDFlock, on a zfs zpool. |
| 23:54.45 | FDFlock | I see. |
| 23:54.52 | tupi | gnarface, ok: i was hoping, froim the diff [patch format] that someone could tell me what kernel the guy was using |
| 23:55.06 | kreign | FDFlock, run on illumian currently, which (as well as all the VMs) runs on esxi. |
| 23:55.14 | tupi | but i think it is the 3.3 [exp] |
| 23:55.15 | kreign | so it's kinda a bag of dicks, but it works. |
| 23:55.18 | tupi | i'll try |
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| 23:55.44 | gnarface | tupi: what version of debian are you actually ON? there IS a channel on irc.oftc.net called #debian-next for testing (and up) specific issues |
| 23:56.02 | FDFlock | well, ZFS seems interesting, although not very compatible with the Linux design philosophy for storage. GTG, BB |
| 23:56.08 | FDFlock | is away |
| 23:56.08 | tupi | is surprised, somehow that means noone is running debian on all-in-one HP PC in the world |
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| 23:56.27 | dvs | they're too new |
| 23:56.29 | gnarface | tupi: and what have you learned about your choice in hardware ? |
| 23:56.37 | tupi | gnarface, testing, with just the kernel being 3.3 now |
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| 23:56.48 | marchdown_ | hello |
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| 23:57.43 | tupi | gnarface, yeah yeah, i know ... i'm not blaming anyone, just trying to find a solution |
| 23:57.46 | marchdown_ | APT weirdness is suffocating me. What should I read to *get* it? |
| 23:57.47 | apt | marchdown_: okay |
| 23:58.00 | tupi | integrated graphics is now on so many machines anyway ... |
| 23:58.21 | gnarface | tupi: you can probably pull it off, but if you've never recompiled/patched a kernel before, you're gonna have to face a fairly steep learning curve initially. |
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| 23:58.31 | tupi | i am a schemer, very little c experience, otherwise i would have done the poroposed changes already ... |
| 23:58.59 | gnarface | yea well i'm not even a real coder, i write php, so don't look at me |
| 23:59.28 | DanDare | ajwak95[arch], you can just download ISO images from manufacturer website |
| 23:59.50 | epicfail | upgrade from squeezy to wheeze! ROCK N ROLL!!! |
| 23:59.50 | marchdown_ | The specific problem I'm have is that I've installed python2.7, but a lot of stuff depends on <2.7 and I see no way to resolve it semi-automatically. |
