| 00:00.07 | Mephisto | gnarface, kevlarman WAS wrong. One time for sure. I once asked him on wine support chan why most of the stuff doesn't work from my other NTFS partition, whereas native linux one would always do. He said it's because of NTFS. Oh well... i can't quite remember what i did, probably edited fstab a bit... now both work. But he was convincing me it's because of NTFS. |
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| 00:00.24 | themill | Mephisto: take your ranting elsewhere, thanks. |
| 00:01.17 | gnarface | Mephisto: well we're off topic now but he is sometimes, but that won't change the fact that now if you answer one of his questions helpfully he'll NEVER again thank you for it, and he'll go out of his way to point out every single little error, however minor, in every thing you say |
| 00:01.36 | ix | gnarface: Please tell me more about Wonders how many people in here are actually bots? |
| 00:01.56 | gnarface | ix: jesus you too? compose me a haiku |
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| 00:05.22 | klys | so (to gather) in order to proceed, I must fix bochs-x |
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| 00:06.15 | ex-parrot | what would be best practice for rebuilding packages locally (and keeping them in our own local signed repo). to run debuild -us -uc (and not sign our local copy) or to force it to sign the package as the person who compiled it, or something else? |
| 00:08.02 | dondelelcaro | ex-parrot: have the person who built the package sign it |
| 00:08.11 | dondelelcaro | ex-parrot: not sure why you'd bother rebuilding the packages, though |
| 00:08.41 | dondelelcaro | I mean, I can see rebuilding the packages for testing, but not for using them |
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| 00:09.22 | ex-parrot | we occasionally add a patch or want to backport something. in this specific case though I'm just rebuilding nullmailer due to a bug in its build process apparently turning off v6 support in the official package |
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| 00:10.47 | ex-parrot | according to bug #605899 I think I just need to rebuild the package on a v6-capable host |
| 00:11.17 | dondelelcaro | ex-parrot: oh, in those cases, just add your patch, increment the version number appropriately, build the package, and sign the .dsc and the changes file. |
| 00:11.49 | ex-parrot | right. that makes perfect sense |
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| 00:12.15 | ex-parrot | does it matter if the person who signs the package isn't set as the maintainer within the package configuration? |
| 00:12.18 | dondelelcaro | ex-parrot: or just put it into a signed repository |
| 00:12.20 | dondelelcaro | ex-parrot: no |
| 00:12.31 | Turl | personally I like to build with sbuild on a chroot. I kinda have an OCD or something I guess :) |
| 00:12.43 | ex-parrot | ok. so if the repo is signed there's no additional benefit to signing the packages individually? |
| 00:12.47 | dondelelcaro | ex-parrot: it's actually pretty typical in Debian; maintainers don't sign the packages that buildds build. |
| 00:12.50 | ex-parrot | Turl: I usually build in a chroot... sbuild is new to me though |
| 00:12.50 | dondelelcaro | ex-parrot: nope |
| 00:12.50 | Turl | ex-parrot: lastest entry on changelog signs if I recall correctly |
| 00:13.05 | ex-parrot | okay. thanks guys, much appreciate the guidance |
| 00:13.12 | dondelelcaro | ex-parrot: the only reason to do so is because you can then track a particular signed package to a particular upload and verify the repository completely |
| 00:13.16 | Turl | ex-parrot: sbuild and schroot |
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| 00:13.28 | dondelelcaro | Turl: actually, if you're doing much work, pbuilder is a bit more useful |
| 00:13.32 | ex-parrot | Turl: I'll look in to those, thanks |
| 00:13.39 | dondelelcaro | sbuild and schroot really help if you're using buildd |
| 00:13.52 | ex-parrot | one further question, what format does the -k parameter of debsign expect the key ID to be? I can't seem to find any format it'll accept :) |
| 00:14.00 | Turl | dondelelcaro: I just do the random deb once in a full moon :) |
| 00:14.14 | dondelelcaro | ex-parrot: the key id, so -k808D0FD0 for example. |
| 00:14.15 | Turl | ex-parrot: http://packages.debian.org/sid/sbuild the description pretty much summarizes it all |
| 00:14.31 | ex-parrot | thanks dondelelcaro, I think I had a space after -k before the key ID |
| 00:14.35 | dondelelcaro | ex-parrot: I think it also accepts the entire fingerprint |
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| 00:14.50 | ex-parrot | yup, the format you've given there works fine. |
| 00:14.57 | Turl | and it also accepts "dude dude <dude@dude.com>" format too I think |
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| 00:15.37 | ex-parrot | ah yes, I tried the e-mail address but not the fully quoted form with name etc. I think I will insist the package builder signs the package, it resolves disputes about who potentially uploaded a bad package to our local repo 8^) |
| 00:15.40 | dondelelcaro | yeah, I always give the key id, but that's also because I sign things for Debian, and for non-Debian stuff with different keys that have the same e-mail addresses associated with them |
| 00:15.47 | dondelelcaro | ex-parrot: yeah. |
| 00:16.12 | dondelelcaro | ex-parrot: if you're going to do a ton of that, you can actually get dak set up to handle it automatically... but I wouldn't bother with that unless you're doing to handle more than a thousand packages |
| 00:16.26 | ex-parrot | ah, no. we have more like 10 packages at present :) |
| 00:16.29 | dondelelcaro | yeah |
| 00:16.32 | dondelelcaro | not worth the overhead |
| 00:17.05 | dondelelcaro | currently at 6230 here... |
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| 00:17.27 | ex-parrot | what's the use case for having so many packages in a local repository like that? |
| 00:17.34 | ex-parrot | or is that one of the official repos? |
| 00:17.34 | dondelelcaro | ex-parrot: debian-r.deiban.net |
| 00:17.42 | ex-parrot | ah I see |
| 00:17.42 | dondelelcaro | err, debian-r.debian.net |
| 00:17.45 | klys | has 614 packages. |
| 00:17.59 | dondelelcaro | ex-parrot: but yeah, it's not very typical |
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| 00:18.21 | themill | klys: enough |
| 00:18.45 | ex-parrot | I've started deploying a few IPv6-only hosts in the last few months and we noticed yesterday that none of them had been sending system mail... turns out nullmailer was very confused :) |
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| 00:21.34 | ex-parrot | am I best to use "dch -n -i" when incrementing the version number to cover local patches? |
| 00:22.13 | Turl | I forgot most of my packaging knowledge :( |
| 00:22.30 | Turl | last deb I did, I went the dinosaur way and edited changelog with a text editor taking care of not breaking it :P |
| 00:22.33 | ex-parrot | I'll go read the package version number docs again |
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| 00:29.09 | MrKeuner | hello, is there a way to see what's new in the package that synaptic suggests upgrading? |
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| 00:29.37 | abrotman | look at the changelog |
| 00:29.42 | somiaj | MrKeuner: you can check the changelog |
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| 00:30.46 | somiaj | you can see the changelog on packages.debian.org/pkgname or in /usr/share/doc/pkgname. Can't think of a nice way to see it inside of synaptic |
| 00:31.02 | MrKeuner | somiaj, should I do dpkg? |
| 00:31.17 | MrKeuner | I mean can dpkg see |
| 00:31.46 | themill | dpkg: tell MrKeuner about apt-listchanges |
| 00:31.55 | themill | MrKeuner: that would be the easiest approach |
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| 00:34.06 | MrKeuner | somiaj, themill thanks |
| 00:34.52 | themill | MrKeuner: you can also "aptitude changelog package" but that will often fail on security updates and some other random packages; apt-listchanges will always work |
| 00:35.02 | MrKeuner | one more question... can I put a hook in apt-get upgrade so that apt-listchanges would work automatically? |
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| 00:41.32 | themill | MrKeuner: sure -- apt-listchanges does that automatically. "dpkg-reconfigure apt-listchanges" to have it show you the changelog and not just the NEWS file |
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| 01:22.05 | MrKeuner | themill, cool, thanks |
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| 01:30.52 | nikitis | What's the test version of Debian? after squeeze? |
| 01:31.27 | somiaj | nikitis: the current testing is called wheezy. |
| 01:31.40 | somiaj | nikitis: but it is a testing branch, most would be better to use squeeze + backports |
| 01:31.44 | nikitis | can that be debootstrapped? |
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| 01:31.58 | somiaj | you can debootstrap any version of debian (even old versions from archive.debian.org) |
| 01:32.16 | somiaj | just state the name 'wheezy' or 'testing' and the mirror that has it |
| 01:32.20 | nikitis | sweet, i may try wheezy, squeeze has too low gcc |
| 01:32.29 | nikitis | compiling 3.2.11 kernel on playstation 3 |
| 01:32.30 | somiaj | running testing inside a chroot on squeeze is a nice way to have a fairly stable system but get to play with testing |
| 01:32.37 | abrotman | but wheezy already has a 3.2.9 kernel |
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| 01:32.49 | somiaj | why do you need to compile that kernel, why install the 3.2 kernel from backports? |
| 01:32.52 | somiaj | (and just run squeeze) |
| 01:32.56 | nikitis | i need 3.2.11 |
| 01:33.05 | nikitis | I have applications to compile it against |
| 01:33.16 | nikitis | i cannot get cross compiliing to work |
| 01:33.29 | nikitis | so I need a powerpc system with that kernel |
| 01:34.07 | somiaj | why do you need 3.2.11? |
| 01:34.10 | nikitis | cross compiling on PS3 isn't as simple |
| 01:34.17 | somiaj | ,versions linux-image-3.2 |
| 01:34.18 | judd | No package named 'linux-image-3.2' was found in i386. |
| 01:34.22 | nikitis | i need to make applications run on petitboot which has 3.2.11 |
| 01:34.31 | nikitis | but petitboot isn't a build system |
| 01:34.33 | abrotman | judd: kernels |
| 01:34.34 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.3.0-rc6-686-pae (3.3~rc6-1~experimental.1); sid: 3.2.0-2-686-pae (3.2.10-1); wheezy: 3.2.0-2-686-pae (3.2.9-1); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.2-686-pae (3.2.9-1~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-41); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-35~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-29) |
| 01:35.04 | nikitis | i can already compile squeeze with 2.6 |
| 01:35.10 | nikitis | but i need later kernel |
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| 01:36.01 | nikitis | i don't need 3.3, just 3.2.11 |
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| 01:37.19 | pom | Can I send a release request to a manage switch or something? |
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| 01:37.35 | pom | I'm struggling with a switch that I have no control over. |
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| 01:37.55 | abrotman | pom: you can release your IP .. not sure that's what you mean |
| 01:37.56 | pom | And it's ARP-caching my IP addresses preventing me from switching them from one machine to another. |
| 01:38.02 | justjealouse | is it possible control fan speed without having the wpm sensor available through lm_sensors |
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| 01:39.51 | justjealouse | does anyone know |
| 01:40.37 | justjealouse | everywhere i look everyone is having a love affair with lm sensors |
| 01:40.50 | justjealouse | so pretty much if lm sensors doesnt show wpm, youre fucked |
| 01:41.12 | nikitis | doesn't use lmsensors |
| 01:41.19 | justjealouse | how do you do it? |
| 01:41.25 | nikitis | not use it? |
| 01:41.50 | justjealouse | i thought you used something else instead? w.e |
| 01:41.57 | nikitis | i think about all the processor cycles it uses just to display the data |
| 01:42.00 | nikitis | and shiver |
| 01:43.47 | abrotman | judd: apt-cache search fan speed ? |
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| 01:47.58 | justjealouse | none of that applies to asus |
| 01:48.31 | aBound | nikitis, You could try grabbing the kernel from the backports you might have to alter a few things to get it: http://yumechanmiru.blogspot.com/2012/02/debian-squeeze-32-kernel-update.html |
| 01:49.55 | justjealouse | got double trolled |
| 01:49.58 | nikitis | aBound: my whole installer is completely custom atm |
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| 01:51.40 | aBound | I wouldn't figure that would change anything but heck you know it better than I do. |
| 01:51.56 | abrotman | nikitis: so why are you askking us |
| 01:51.57 | abrotman | ? |
| 01:52.06 | nikitis | aBound: if I debootstrap squeeze, then enabled this repo and updated/upgraded, could I compile 3.2.11? |
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| 01:52.29 | nikitis | my installer is done, i just need to fix kernel compiling |
| 01:52.34 | nikitis | something is breaking it |
| 01:52.37 | fragrant | Hi, how can i chroot to other debian system? |
| 01:52.46 | abrotman | man chroot ? |
| 01:53.01 | nikitis | fragrant: LANG=C chroot /mnt/debian |
| 01:53.07 | nikitis | /mnt/debian becomes new root |
| 01:53.07 | justjealouse | these guys troll hard |
| 01:53.30 | nikitis | default squeeze will not compile 3.2.11 |
| 01:53.31 | abrotman | justjealouse: ? |
| 01:53.43 | fragrant | What is LANG=C |
| 01:53.55 | aBound | I can't say if it will but you could always give it a run. |
| 01:54.01 | justjealouse | ive been spending like 2 hours trying to figure out how to get my fan to stop moaning |
| 01:54.06 | nikitis | aBound: worth a try sure |
| 01:54.18 | nikitis | though for me a try is 4 hours of my life if it fails |
| 01:54.18 | fragrant | I ran that chroot command, it looks it works, but when i type uname -a from chroot, i seee the current logged in system's kernel version |
| 01:54.20 | dvs | nikitis: Huh? What are you talking about? |
| 01:54.26 | justjealouse | no one. anywhere knows how to just manually set the fan speed or the temperatures or anything |
| 01:54.27 | aBound | No doubt, but always make sure you back it up. |
| 01:54.34 | fragrant | nikitis: ? |
| 01:54.35 | aBound | Otherwise all hell breaks loose. |
| 01:54.35 | fragrant | ^ |
| 01:54.37 | nikitis | dvs compiling kernel 3.2.11 for debian squeeze on Playstation 3 |
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| 01:54.43 | dvs | ah. ok. |
| 01:54.57 | somiaj | fragrant: of course, you don't run a new kernel when you chroot. You are using the same kernel, you just have access to the binaries of your other chrooted system. |
| 01:54.59 | nikitis | breaks on CC kernel/signal.o |
| 01:55.10 | nikitis | http://pastie.org/3638244 |
| 01:55.28 | fragrant | nikitis: LANG=C for what? |
| 01:55.35 | craigevil | justjealouse, have you looked at fancontrol? |
| 01:55.38 | abrotman | fragrant: you do'nt need that |
| 01:55.50 | nikitis | fragrant: just setting up environment for c apps |
| 01:56.07 | justjealouse | I need something that doesnt use lm sensors because apparantely i have no sensors for wpm |
| 01:56.22 | nikitis | fragrant: you can probably get away without LANG=C |
| 01:56.29 | fragrant | craigevil: Hi craig, do you use debian sid? |
| 01:56.53 | aBound | I'm surprised you can still use Linux on the PS3. |
| 01:56.58 | fragrant | When i run aptitude update, i got, [ ERR] Reading state information |
| 01:56.59 | fragrant | E: Could not open lock file /var/lock/aptitude - open (2: No such file or directory) |
| 01:57.06 | fragrant | But it's updating well |
| 01:57.07 | abrotman | justjealouse: and you ran the sensors-detect ? |
| 01:57.17 | fragrant | I ran update from chroot system. |
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| 01:57.33 | justjealouse | yes ofcourse i ran sensors detect |
| 01:57.49 | justjealouse | bottom line is without lm sensors apparantely youre fucked |
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| 01:59.26 | fragrant | I'm upgrading debian sid from chroot , is there any problem with that? |
| 01:59.33 | fragrant | craigevil: ^ |
| 01:59.46 | nikitis | fragrant: never can tell |
| 01:59.50 | somiaj | fragrant: no. Are you doing this from a live system or from another debian system? |
| 02:00.03 | fragrant | After chroot if run, env-update && source /etc/profile, i get no such command, why? |
| 02:00.05 | somiaj | another *nix system. |
| 02:00.17 | fragrant | From anohter debian system |
| 02:00.21 | fragrant | What is *nix system? |
| 02:00.25 | craigevil | fragrant, yes but i have never compiled a kernel i am too lazy, 3.3 is in experimental |
| 02:00.29 | justjealouse | rofl this is hilarious, any way you google something remotely to do with sensors and linux, lm sensors comes up |
| 02:01.03 | fragrant | For me, it's updating to linux-image-3.2.0-2-686-pae |
| 02:01.05 | fragrant | craigevil: ^ |
| 02:01.10 | somiaj | fragrant: maybe because there is no such command called env-update. |
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| 02:01.17 | abrotman | justjealouse: perhaps you should google your model number and fans |
| 02:01.51 | justjealouse | no one gives a shit about my model number, apparantely its a really rare laptop |
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| 02:02.39 | fragrant | what is the reason not to have env-update? |
| 02:02.51 | abrotman | fragrant: where'd you get that command ? |
| 02:02.53 | fragrant | After chroot , env-update && source /etc/profile , no such command |
| 02:03.10 | fragrant | abrotman: http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/gentoo-x86-quickinstall.xml?style=printable |
| 02:03.13 | craigevil | fragrant, linux-image-3.3.0-rc6-686-pae is in experimental |
| 02:03.18 | fragrant | abrotman: Chrooting |
| 02:03.26 | justjealouse | dos anyone know where the bios gets its thermal information? I want to just fake a really low temperature |
| 02:03.59 | sioux_ | which architecture is correct to use in server? i have an hp prolian with 20GB of RAM, intel xeon 4 cores |
| 02:04.04 | fragrant | abrotman: ^? |
| 02:04.22 | fragrant | craigevil: How can i get that 3.3 kernel? |
| 02:04.46 | abrotman | fragrant: this isn't #gentoo ? |
| 02:04.47 | fragrant | craigevil: For me, linux-image-3.2.0-2-686-pae |
| 02:04.56 | fragrant | abrotman: I know, |
| 02:05.05 | fragrant | abrotman: But the chrooting should be same |
| 02:05.13 | craigevil | fragrant, have experimental in your sources.list apt-get install -t experimental linux-image-3.3.0-rc6-686-pae |
| 02:05.39 | abrotman | fragrant: you don't know that .. they may have custom tools ... |
| 02:05.44 | craigevil | fragrant, and hopefully be running sid, and not stable |
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| 02:06.02 | skittixch | hi, I'm a beginner with a problem mounting my sata drive. Details here http://pastie.org/3638905 any ideas what might be going wrong? |
| 02:06.17 | fragrant | craigevil: I did chroot from debian stable to sid |
| 02:06.50 | fragrant | chroot > aptitude update > aptitude dist-upgrade, i got this during update, http://pastebin.com/AwGNAFcH |
| 02:06.51 | fragrant | why? |
| 02:07.28 | craigevil | fragrant, you do not want a kernel from experimental on stable, either build your own or check backports |
| 02:07.51 | fragrant | craigevil: I'm on chroot to sid |
| 02:08.32 | craigevil | fragrant, that is not the same as running sid and knowing how to fix things when they break |
| 02:08.49 | fragrant | craigevil: How do you fix when you are in problem with sid? |
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| 02:09.10 | abrotman | gets the popcorn |
| 02:09.20 | fragrant | abrotman: Give me too. |
| 02:09.32 | craigevil | fragrant, by knowing what the hell you are doing , especially when you lose your GUI |
| 02:09.45 | craigevil | fragrant, if you have to ask leave sid well alone |
| 02:09.56 | fragrant | craigevil: How many times did you lose your gui? |
| 02:10.15 | fragrant | craigevil: Didn't you ask when you were using sid for the fist time? |
| 02:10.34 | craigevil | in the past 8 yrs a few times, nope because sid is not supported in #debian |
| 02:11.05 | fragrant | craigevil: Then where did you ask question about sid when it breaks? |
| 02:11.15 | craigevil | you learn how to google very well, and to print out thing like the refcard and debian reference |
| 02:11.17 | fragrant | craigevil: Why did you go for sid instead of stable? |
| 02:11.38 | fragrant | craigevil: What is refcard? |
| 02:11.46 | fragrant | craigevil: How many times did you lose your gui? |
| 02:11.48 | craigevil | lol go read |
| 02:12.14 | craigevil | debian-refcard - printable reference card for the Debian system |
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| 02:12.28 | nikitis | where's a good repo to get gcc 4.7 |
| 02:12.31 | somiaj | fragrant: the bts is useful, being able to debug (Read logs, understand how debian package manger works, dependencies, downgrading), and #debian-next on irc.oftc.net, but usually helps to have a lot of info as opposed to 'foo don't work' |
| 02:13.04 | craigevil | nikitis, its in sid probably in testing as well |
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| 02:13.56 | fragrant | craigevil: Why did you go for sid instead of stable? |
| 02:14.29 | fragrant | craigevil: How many times did you lose your gui? |
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| 02:15.20 | somiaj | nikitis: you can use packages.debian.org to see the versions debians offers. you can also /msg judd versions pkgname |
| 02:15.24 | abrotman | fragrant: have you ever run Linux without a GUI ? |
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| 02:15.36 | somiaj | !tell fragrant -about search |
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| 02:15.46 | craigevil | fragrant, go read http://wiki.debian.org/DebianUnstable#FAQ things break in sid and testing often, kde4 broke more times than i can remember |
| 02:16.09 | gnarface | bluetooth has been broken in sid for most of the last year i think, if not loinger |
| 02:16.12 | gnarface | longer |
| 02:16.55 | craigevil | gnarface, good thing this ancient thinkpad doesnt have bluetooth :) |
| 02:17.06 | fragrant | abrotman: Why? That was funny |
| 02:17.08 | gnarface | goes back to stuffing his face |
| 02:17.20 | fragrant | craigevil: I know, |
| 02:17.21 | abrotman | fragrant: it's not funny |
| 02:17.30 | fragrant | craigevil: Why did you go for sid instead of stable? |
| 02:17.33 | fragrant | craigevil: How many times did you lose your gui? |
| 02:17.41 | fragrant | craigevil: Can you answer those questions? |
| 02:17.43 | abrotman | fragrant: stop repeating .. it's annoying |
| 02:17.56 | craigevil | fragrant, jesus go read and learn and stop asking the same crap over and over like a little kid |
| 02:18.00 | fragrant | abrotman: Funny, because i have used without gui , tty/console |
| 02:19.55 | justjealouse | you are all programming scrubs |
| 02:20.01 | fragrant | I can't join #debian-devel |
| 02:20.48 | abrotman | justjealouse: insulting us won't help you get help |
| 02:21.04 | fragrant | abrotman: He may not need help. |
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| 02:21.16 | abrotman | worry about your own problems |
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| 02:21.37 | sioux_ | good night guys |
| 02:21.52 | abrotman | checks the calendar |
| 02:22.04 | fragrant | abrotman: Indeed |
| 02:22.12 | fragrant | abrotman: Why are you checking calendar? |
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| 02:22.49 | dvs | Sunday? |
| 02:22.55 | justjealouse | You wouldnt be able to help me anyway, I just want to bring up the fat that you are all scrubs |
| 02:22.57 | fragrant | Can i test from debian stable system whether the sid is bootable/working or not? |
| 02:23.06 | fragrant | I chrooted to sid system |
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| 02:23.31 | Mr_Queue | what? Why not just drop something like that in a VM? |
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| 02:24.15 | abrotman | justjealouse: take a timeout, search for some answers to your problem instead of insulting people |
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| 02:24.44 | fragrant | abrotman: Wow |
| 02:24.59 | fragrant | abrotman: Can you tell me what does that mean by hsd1.nj? |
| 02:25.08 | fragrant | abrotman: nj= north virgina? |
| 02:25.21 | sheep | new jersey? |
| 02:25.33 | fragrant | sheep: Thank you. |
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| 02:28.37 | fragrant | Is this correct command? apt-listbugs list linux-image |
| 02:28.40 | fragrant | craigevil: ^ |
| 02:28.56 | fragrant | abrotman: You didn't give me some popcorn. |
| 02:29.00 | abrotman | fragrant: if you can't read a man page, you shoulnd't be using sid |
| 02:29.08 | abrotman | the popcorn was for watching you |
| 02:29.18 | fragrant | abrotman: You ate all. |
| 02:29.48 | fragrant | abrotman: Do you use sid too? |
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| 02:30.10 | abrotman | i'm not playing games with you .. try someone else |
| 02:32.40 | fragrant | You didn't give the answer, did you? |
| 02:34.57 | fragrant | abrotman: Debian/sid is a game, isn't ? so play with debian |
| 02:35.23 | dvs | *sigh* |
| 02:35.29 | fragrant | dvs: Why? |
| 02:35.46 | dvs | fragrant: "You're crusin' for a brusin'" |
| 02:35.59 | fragrant | dvs: What does that mean? |
| 02:36.23 | dvs | fragrant: You are probably millimeters from being banned. |
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| 03:15.36 | nsadmin | linduxed, hi, still around? |
| 03:16.17 | nsadmin | !seen linduxed |
| 03:16.18 | dpkg | linduxed is currently on #debian. Has said a total of 517 messages. Is idling for 6h 58m 7s, last said: 'thx'. |
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| 03:16.47 | Big_Brother | does debian have whatever I need for keeping WD Greens from dying too soon? |
| 03:17.04 | dvs | ??? |
| 03:17.10 | nsadmin | what's a wd green? |
| 03:17.12 | dvs | checks his hard drives |
| 03:17.48 | Big_Brother | nsadmin: western digital (hard drive manufacturer) green (low-powered series of hard drives). |
| 03:18.28 | nsadmin | oh, and what keeps them from dying? |
| 03:18.55 | boudiccas | what do you mean by 'too soon'? how many hours usage? |
| 03:19.07 | craigevil | fairies, while gremlins kill them |
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| 03:19.35 | Big_Brother | there was a whole thing that microsoft windows needed a background-running program to keep the drives from powering down too often. |
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| 03:20.47 | boudiccas | Big_Brother; well will that program work under wine? |
| 03:20.59 | Big_Brother | boudiccas: doesn wine need X? |
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| 03:21.03 | Big_Brother | doen't* |
| 03:21.33 | boudiccas | Big_Brother; no idea but i'm guessing yes |
| 03:21.46 | sheep | boudiccas: I am pretty sure that won't work on wine |
| 03:21.59 | dvs | Big_Brother: I'd check if hdparm can do it. |
| 03:22.15 | sheep | but I can't think of why an equivalent couldn't be written for linux |
| 03:22.59 | beardy | Suspend your machine when not using it, solved. |
| 03:23.20 | Big_Brother | beardy: brilliant idea for an NAS. |
| 03:24.16 | beardy | Big_Brother: Buy real disks made for what you're going to use it for. If you are constantly going to pull things from your "NAS", then whatever silly shit trying to spin them down isn't going to get a chance to do it anyway so.. what? |
| 03:25.01 | Big_Brother | beardy: that would be well out of my price range. i managed to get these before HDD prices skyrocketed. |
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| 03:33.39 | beardy | Big_Brother: http://linuxconfig.org/linux-wd-ears-advanced-format read and check the links in the Conclusion, section 4 there. |
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| 03:36.57 | beardy | Big_Brother: http://www.sagaforce.com/~sound/wdantiparkd/ |
| 03:38.58 | beardy | Big_Brother: So the answer to your question is probably, no, Debian does not, the above doesn't seem to be packaged. But trying to build the above might be a possibility. |
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| 03:45.56 | flaggy | hello. I'm thinking about buying a new laptop. I'm thinking of a thinkpad X series. Does anyone know what sort of things from lenovo I should avoid? |
| 03:46.46 | beardy | !hardware |
| 03:46.46 | dpkg | Before buying any hardware, make sure it is supported by all operating systems you want to use; ask me about <hcl>. To acquire details about your current hardware, ask me about <whats my hardware>. Please ask all non-Debian-specific hardware questions in ##hardware on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 04:29.20 | fragrant | Hi, i'm on debian sid |
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| 04:29.51 | flaggy | great |
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| 04:30.03 | fragrant | From debian stable if i click any partition from nautilus, it is mounted |
| 04:30.15 | fragrant | But in sid if i click it's not mounting |
| 04:30.17 | fragrant | Why? |
| 04:30.29 | fragrant | Which package needs to be installed for that click and mount? |
| 04:30.38 | nsadmin | read the code and see |
| 04:30.46 | fragrant | Which code? |
| 04:31.05 | nsadmin | the code you find that does what you're talking about |
| 04:31.08 | fragrant | I have installed fuse, ntfs-3g |
| 04:31.23 | fragrant | I'm not talking about any code |
| 04:31.31 | fragrant | I'm talking about nautilus>click and mount |
| 04:31.33 | fragrant | option |
| 04:31.46 | flaggy | fragrant: report a bug on nautilus |
| 04:32.06 | fragrant | How can i get the source code of nautilus for sid? |
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| 04:32.42 | Udoblunt | fragrant, http://www.unix.com/unix-advanced-expert-users/131127-how-gnome-nautilus-mounting-unmounting-without-root.html maybe this help, first article on google |
| 04:32.46 | flaggy | apt-get source nautilus |
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| 04:35.07 | fragrant | Also df -h displays both, /dev/disk/by-uuid/233142c0-e576-447b-a8ec-89b05cac8363 5.1G 2.8G 2.1G 57% / |
| 04:35.15 | fragrant | rootfs 5.1G 2.8G 2.1G 57% / |
| 04:35.17 | fragrant | duplicate |
| 04:35.34 | Big_Brother | thank you, beardy. My apologies, I dozed off. :/ |
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| 04:39.44 | fragrant | fusectl on /sys/fs/fuse/connections type fusectl (rw,relatime) |
| 04:39.59 | fragrant | Which group is responsible to click and mount option from nautilus? |
| 04:40.19 | speedrunnerG55 | Shazbot |
| 04:40.26 | fragrant | Also i don't have sound |
| 04:40.55 | speedrunnerG55 | Shazbot |
| 04:42.21 | fragrant | I got unable to mount, not authorized |
| 04:42.28 | fragrant | when i click from nautilus |
| 04:42.37 | boudiccas | fragrant; so use .... sudo |
| 04:43.19 | fragrant | boudiccas: sudo for what? |
| 04:43.32 | boudiccas | fragrant; for whatever you're trying to do |
| 04:44.06 | fragrant | I need to mount partition clicking from nautilus |
| 04:44.12 | fragrant | click and mount |
| 04:45.43 | fragrant | Udoblunt: That link didn't help, |
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| 04:47.04 | Udoblunt | fragrant, Ive been wondering about it too, but never took the time to look it up and kinda busy with some other stuff atm |
| 04:47.42 | fragrant | Udoblunt: What stuff? |
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| 04:55.50 | boudiccas | phorce1 when trying to install the d/l of moneydance, trial version, i get this ........ http://pastebin.com/QLSN4Ndc. ....... can you help me get it setup please? |
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| 05:11.33 | em_ | hi |
| 05:11.52 | em_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:12.31 | em_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:12.44 | em_ | how can it be possible? |
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| 05:17.20 | em_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:17.23 | em_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:17.26 | em_ | how can it be possible? |
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| 05:17.49 | penrod | em : look for isc-dhcp-server |
| 05:20.00 | em_ | penrod the native one has some problem? |
| 05:20.19 | penrod | which distro are you using ? |
| 05:20.32 | em_ | debian 6 |
| 05:20.41 | em_ | squeeze |
| 05:21.07 | simonlnu | please refrain from repeat posting |
| 05:21.07 | penrod | em : what does "the native one has some problems" mean ? |
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| 05:22.11 | em_ | i mean why after succiding with "install dhcp3-server" i can't stat the server |
| 05:22.19 | penrod | simonlnu: are you referring to me ? |
| 05:23.06 | penrod | em: you need to configure the config file, there are many "howto's" on the internet, try reading some more |
| 05:23.07 | simonlnu | no |
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| 05:23.28 | penrod | simonlnu: roger that |
| 05:25.18 | nsadmin | I think dhcp3-server has a configurater program |
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| 05:25.22 | nsadmin | maybe gui |
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| 05:27.54 | nsadmin | hmm. couldn't find it |
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| 06:04.48 | MestreLion | This is a bit off-topic, but... are there any tutorials about how to work with GLP'd code? Scenario: I see I nice GLP'd script in a blog. I wget it, edit it, tailor to my user What should I do about the Copyright notice? Leave untouched? Should I add myself? What about Authors? Am I an author too? |
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| 06:05.17 | MestreLion | user = use* |
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| 06:06.09 | nsadmin | what's GLP'd code? |
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| 06:08.05 | nsadmin | MestreLion, what's GLP'd code? |
| 06:08.25 | MestreLion | nsadmin: a code with GNU's GLP license |
| 06:08.31 | clone_of_saturn | you probably meant GPL |
| 06:08.35 | MestreLion | ooops... GPL, sorry |
| 06:08.40 | MestreLion | yeah, yes |
| 06:08.53 | nsadmin | oh... ok, here's an exercise... |
| 06:09.05 | nsadmin | go to http://ftp.gnu.org |
| 06:09.26 | nsadmin | browse until you find hello |
| 06:09.40 | nsadmin | get that tarball, untar it, read all files |
| 06:09.50 | MestreLion | humm, nice succestion |
| 06:09.56 | MestreLion | hellow is in debian's repo |
| 06:10.02 | MestreLion | suGGestion |
| 06:10.33 | nsadmin | true. I want you to see that as well, and first, I want you to see the upstream source |
| 06:11.23 | MestreLion | im there |
| 06:11.29 | nsadmin | once you've read every file, find the instructions to build it, do so and run it |
| 06:11.33 | clone_of_saturn | do you want to distribute the code or just modify it for your own use? |
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| 06:12.10 | MestreLion | clone_of_saturn: distribute too. I'm aware that for private modifications this is not an issue |
| 06:12.24 | nsadmin | (every file means also eventually you will be reading the GPL |
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| 06:13.09 | nsadmin | maybe a coupla your questions will be answered in this way... |
| 06:13.31 | MestreLion | nsadmin: I've read the pristine GPL text once, but... it is (and supposed to) be written in "legalese" language :P |
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| 06:14.26 | MestreLion | but i'll follow your excersice... maybe AUTHORS or README will talk about it |
| 06:14.30 | nsadmin | no, quite the contrary. it's written in order to be understood and at the same time to be enforcable |
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| 06:15.24 | MestreLion | will do so, nsadmin |
| 06:15.55 | nsadmin | ever seen the book "Refactoring"? |
| 06:16.32 | MestreLion | I thought there was already a simple "how-to" somewhere, geared towards a developer point of view, kinda like "to edit GPL'd source code, do this, and this, eand etc" |
| 06:16.42 | MestreLion | nope nsadmin |
| 06:18.19 | nsadmin | refactoring is a somewhat formal study of a few handfuls of specific moves that can be performed on tode to change its form but not what it does |
| 06:18.53 | MestreLion | I know what refactoring is... I just don't know the book |
| 06:19.04 | nsadmin | oh ok |
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| 06:19.37 | nsadmin | it's good that you have that skill; it's a very useful skill to have |
| 06:19.46 | MestreLion | But I'll do mor than just refactoring.. I'll change its behavior, features ,etc |
| 06:20.47 | MestreLion | oh, and if this helps... in this particular case, I'm talking about a 1-file shell script, like this: http://pastebin.com/QishAQUD |
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| 06:22.08 | MestreLion | I agree nsadmin... sometimes I do refactor code, just to improve readability and/or performance/footprint... |
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| 06:23.45 | collinjsimpson | any reason why two directories have the same owner, group, and permissions but one can't be cd'ed into? |
| 06:23.49 | MestreLion | I'm not looking for ways to circumvent GPL... All I want is to change that file all the way I want, and then publish it back in my blog. It is clearly derivative work, and it will be GPL'd too, but I'm not sure how to deal with copyright notices, author list, this kind of things |
| 06:23.50 | clone_of_saturn | MestreLion: the short version is: you can't change the copyright notice. you have to add a prominent note that you modified it, with the date. you can do anything else you want. |
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| 06:27.06 | MestreLion | thank you clone_of_saturn |
| 06:27.39 | MestreLion | collinjsimpson: could you paste a terminal session? |
| 06:27.44 | clone_of_saturn | if you want, i think it's ok to add yourself to the copyright notice, like: Copyright 2011 Original Author. Portions Copyright 2012 MestreLion |
| 06:27.59 | MestreLion | humm, "Portions"... |
| 06:28.16 | MestreLion | that's a nice way to deal with it |
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| 06:29.43 | MestreLion | clone_of_saturn: I think a great example is this. Usually my bash scripts follow this "template": http://pastebin.com/QishAQUD (like I posted earlier). Now the code I want to edit is this: https://pzt.me/6xbd |
| 06:30.35 | MestreLion | You can see from line #24 to #38 that he uses a different "style" regarding copyright and gpl notice |
| 06:31.23 | MestreLion | collinjsimpson: use a pastebin and paste the URL here |
| 06:31.41 | MestreLion | collinjsimpson: so more people can read and help you |
| 06:32.54 | collinjsimpson | MestreLion: quick question, is it recommended to set u+rwx on all files in a user's home directory? |
| 06:32.55 | MestreLion | clone_of_saturn / nsadmin : I'm not sure how can I use my template while still giving proper credit to original Author. Not even sure IF I can use my template instead of his |
| 06:34.08 | MestreLion | not +x collinjsimpson |
| 06:34.27 | MestreLion | +x only for directories and executables |
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| 06:34.38 | clone_of_saturn | hmm... that's a tricky situation, he changed the notice which you're supposed to copy exactly |
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| 06:35.03 | clone_of_saturn | i have no clue what legal effect that has, if any |
| 06:35.22 | collinjsimpson | MestreLion: sorry, is it recommended to set +x on all directories in a user's home folder? if so, why not files, then? |
| 06:35.26 | MestreLion | clone_of_saturn: "he" didn't "change" anything... HE is the original author.... |
| 06:35.44 | clone_of_saturn | he changed it from what the gpl says to do |
| 06:36.02 | MestreLion | collinjsimpson: +x have a very different meaning from files to dirs |
| 06:36.32 | collinjsimpson | MestreLion: yes i understand. +x file means execute, +x dir means cd. should my dirs be +x? |
| 06:36.49 | MestreLion | collinjsimpson: +x for files means if the files are executables. There is no point in +x for files that are not executables, like plain text files, music, videos, documents, etc |
| 06:38.19 | MestreLion | clone_of_saturn: well, but the copyright notice "official" style is just a *suggestion* from gpl, not an enforcment, correct? |
| 06:38.27 | clone_of_saturn | yes |
| 06:38.42 | clone_of_saturn | it looks like you have to keep it the way it is, though |
| 06:39.00 | MestreLion | so he is free to use whatever wordings he see fit... sometimes I also use an "abbreviated" form, like in: |
| 06:39.15 | MestreLion | License: GPLv3 or later. See <http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl.html> |
| 06:39.19 | clone_of_saturn | wait, no |
| 06:39.35 | clone_of_saturn | The work must carry prominent notices stating that it is released under this License and any conditions added under section 7. This requirement modifies the requirement in section 4 to "keep intact all notices". |
| 06:40.02 | MestreLion | collinjsimpson: in dirs inside your home dir, yes, i think so. Why woul you want to have dirs that not even YOU can cd into? |
| 06:40.38 | clone_of_saturn | so i guess you can change the notices when you make a modified version, as long as it's still prominent and has the same conditions |
| 06:41.33 | clone_of_saturn | if you really want to play it safe though, maybe you should email the FSF and ask |
| 06:41.43 | MestreLion | clone_of_saturn: well, I would also use GPL, and I also want to give proper credit 9just not sure *how*). And that code seems not to have any additional conditions |
| 06:42.39 | MestreLion | (although the original author does use use a "Copyright" line.. he simply says "Written by Eduardo Lago Aguilar <eduardo.lago.aguilar@gmail.com>" |
| 06:42.49 | collinjsimpson | MestreLion: My default dirs (Desktop, etc) had -x though I could still cd into them. I've recursively set all directories to +x now and my issue is fixed. Is +x for my files dangerous or just unnecessary? |
| 06:43.39 | MestreLion | collinjsimpson: unnecessary and really really messy, perhaps dangerous |
| 06:44.06 | MestreLion | there is no point in setting regular files as executables |
| 06:44.30 | clone_of_saturn | MestreLion: in most countries you don't need a copyright notice for copyright to apply |
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| 06:45.22 | MestreLion | collinjsimpson: for example, I'm not sure what nautilus would do if you double-clicked an "executable" MP3 file |
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| 06:46.04 | collinjsimpson | MestreLion: So I am to understand that my compiled executables are the only files which should have +x. Do you know if +x is set by g++ output binaries, etc? And I now understand your point about +x. |
| 06:46.25 | clone_of_saturn | i'm not sure if you can just add one *for* him though... probably best to email the FSF, i think they'd be happy to tell you how to deal with it |
| 06:46.40 | MestreLion | collinjsimpson: would it still handle it like a file and try to open the appropriate software, OR would it simply "run" the file (which would of course result in errors, since it is not a binary executable) |
| 06:47.37 | MestreLion | clone_of_saturn: thanks, I'll do that... I assumed there would already be dozens of tutorials answering questions like this... I thought it was a common scenario |
| 06:48.02 | collinjsimpson | MestreLion: I guess opening a +x MP3 might be based on the OS, though we might expect it to be unpredictable. |
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| 06:50.01 | MestreLion | most FAQs regarding GPL cover only things like "what can you do with GPL'd code" (not my issue) or how to re-license it (not my concern either). There are none I've found about "day-by-day usage" of forking GPL'd code.. how to edit, what to modify, etc |
| 06:50.48 | clone_of_saturn | MestreLion: i guess on big projects, it's all streamlined because new versions are always released by the same people, and on small ones usually no one cares enough to worry about it |
| 06:51.23 | clone_of_saturn | so yeah, it's not something most contributors would deal with much |
| 06:52.01 | MestreLion | hummm, you gave me an idea.. |
| 06:52.14 | collinjsimpson | MestreLion: Side note, thanks for your help. The problem is resolved. |
| 06:53.37 | MestreLion | there is a difference between "contributing" and "forking"... true, this is a 1-file silly shell script, but the rationale applies: i'm *forking* it, not contributing to. I may or may not publish my version on pastebin.com. So maybe googling for "forking" tutorials will point me to the right direction |
| 06:53.45 | MestreLion | collinjsimpson: you're welcome |
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| 06:54.13 | MestreLion | but I will also do what nsadmin said... hello package can have useful info about it |
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| 07:01.26 | brylie | How can I install kernel 2.6.39 in squeeze? |
| 07:01.33 | brylie | 2.6.39+ |
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| 07:01.49 | myst1c | was here 2 days ago. running debian squeeze. having issues with my video stopping output after 10 minutes of inactivity. Played with power manager, ran an xset command, and checked my BIOS, all to no avail. The motherboard is from a Gateway PC, not sure of model because it was transplanted. Fixed this problem once before by playing with screensaver settings, but have not been able to replicate since a reboot. |
| 07:01.56 | antiisolo | hey, so i got debian dual booted, but it didnt install any network drivers.. i am using an alfa wireless card to work for now.. but any way i can get my wireless card inside my laptop to work? |
| 07:01.57 | squibby | why is debian 6 always making me mount the liveCD to install packages? can I make this stop somehow? |
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| 07:02.11 | antiisolo | its an acer aspire 4830tg-6450 |
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| 07:04.24 | mashed | squibby: th sources should have been removed from /etc/apt/sources.list once the install completed. Go in to that file manually and remove references to CD and run `apt-get update` |
| 07:05.21 | squibby | mashed, thanks. checking that out right now |
| 07:06.03 | squibby | ah yes there is one reference to the cdrom media left at the top |
| 07:06.32 | mashed | ^^ |
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| 07:07.52 | squibby | of course it made me remount the .iso one last time in order to apt-get vim |
| 07:08.03 | squibby | but never fear, I shall have the last laugh thanks to my new friend mashed |
| 07:09.49 | mashed | i'm just a lowly sysad. |
| 07:09.52 | squibby | so I'm guessing what has happened is it indexed everything that is available via cdrom, http and ftp and whenever it finds packages that are included in the cdrom source it will prompt to mount the CD? |
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| 07:11.15 | mashed | that's right |
| 07:11.38 | mashed | apt-get update scans all configured repositories and rebuilds a database of available packages |
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| 07:12.46 | squibby | mashed, so simply commenting out the line that referenced cdrom in sources.list isn't enough, I need to force apt to reindex? |
| 07:13.40 | mashed | until you run apt-get update the contents of the CDrom is still in the database. |
| 07:13.56 | mashed | somehow it takes precident |
| 07:14.02 | mashed | im not sure how that works |
| 07:15.11 | squibby | gotcha. thanks for the protip |
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| 07:16.01 | mashed | np |
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| 07:16.44 | squibby | mashed, one more question -- any suggestions on a decent basic firewall front for the gnome 2 install on debian? I'm making the move to start switching to Linux and I've been evaluating both debian and the rhel clones line centos and scientific linux. one thing that I like about the default install of the rhel clones is that they seem to include a firewall front end by default and it is enabled by default. |
| 07:17.55 | squibby | there appears to be a myriad of choices and it's a bit confusing, I'd really just like it to be pretty straight forward and simple like the one that appears in centos. if you know what I'm referring to anyway. |
| 07:18.04 | mashed | it might sound intimidating but if you have any understanding of how networks work i suggest you learn iptables on the CLI |
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| 07:18.18 | squibby | I do have substantial understanding of networking. |
| 07:18.20 | squibby | :) |
| 07:18.45 | squibby | but no understanding of iptables. my basic understanding of iptables is that it's a userland front end to a kernel mode system in the back. |
| 07:18.50 | squibby | the name is escaping me... netfilter? |
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| 07:19.23 | mashed | thats good. as long as you know what a port, ip address and how TCP and UDP differ you'll do fine. |
| 07:19.34 | mashed | and it is netfilter. |
| 07:19.40 | mashed | w/d :D |
| 07:19.55 | squibby | should I just get the man(1) pages on iptables or is there something better? |
| 07:19.58 | mashed | one sec ill try to find the guide that helped me learn |
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| 07:23.50 | mashed | squibby: http://lartc.org/lartc.htm - this is a bit dated but it has some awesome information on linux networking internals |
| 07:24.29 | squibby | sweet! |
| 07:24.53 | squibby | I picked up a copy of the most recent TCP/IP Illustrated Vol 1 that was updated. you got it yet? |
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| 07:25.14 | holzstock | hello @ll! |
| 07:25.15 | mashed | not heard of it. |
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| 07:27.02 | squibby | mashed: it is THE tcp/ip reference. the original author died and it hadn't been updated since the early 90s. |
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| 07:27.40 | squibby | it came in 3 volumes. 1 for high level protocol overview and the other two were implementation and network programming |
| 07:27.44 | holzstock | I want to create a separate "task" (like e.g. Webserver) for aptitude for a local installation of clients, but can't find information on how to achieve that. |
| 07:28.11 | holzstock | Do you have some directions/instructions for me where to look? |
| 07:28.20 | mashed | holzstock: do you mean an apt mirror? |
| 07:29.37 | mashed | try this: http://www.howtoforge.com/local_debian_ubuntu_mirror |
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| 07:30.18 | holzstock | @mashed: No, not an apt-mirror. I want to create an installation CD with a special installation task for aptitude, where all required packages will be installed. (sorry, msg was sent not to all) |
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| 07:34.33 | mashed | im off to work, laters |
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| 07:37.32 | petern_ | hmm, is it possible, when using bonding in active-backup mode, for the mac address of the bond interface to change to match the mac address of the port in use? |
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| 07:49.38 | Lint | is there an app in debian to add text to midi files? |
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| 07:51.58 | tyfk | Hi all |
| 07:52.19 | tyfk | /join #ubunti |
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| 07:54.48 | MestreLion | clone_of_saturn / nsadmin: what do you think about this? http://sprunge.us/dEFC |
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| 07:58.09 | unc0nnected | hey guys, I have libpixman-1-0 installed from the backports (0.24.0.1~bpo60+1) but I want to install libpixman-1-dev and the only options in synaptic are 0.16.4-1 and if I go to find the .deb file here: http://packages.debian.org/sid/libpixman-1-dev the only version available is 0.24.4-1. How/where do I get the 0.24.0.1 version of the -dev package? |
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| 08:03.52 | ksuhku | unc0nnected, from backports! i.e. http://packages.debian.org/squeeze-backports/libpixman-1-dev |
| 08:04.43 | ksuhku | unc0nnected, see http://backports-master.debian.org/Instructions/#index3h2 |
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| 08:07.13 | foxtrot9 | how do you usually backup debian? rsync or tar or something else? |
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| 08:08.11 | calculon | hi |
| 08:08.16 | unc0nnected | the entire system? dd or rsync I'd say |
| 08:08.32 | calculon | Anyone can help me? |
| 08:08.46 | unc0nnected | ksuhku: thanks |
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| 08:08.53 | foxtrot9 | unc0nnected, how come a lot of people use tar? http://www.aboutdebian.com/tar-backup.htm |
| 08:09.43 | unc0nnected | well I guess it depends on how you want to back it up.. with .tar you could do daily/weekly/monthly backups |
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| 08:10.07 | unc0nnected | i just wouldn't want my machine to be sitting there having it's cpu used to make a massive tarball once a day |
| 08:10.16 | calculon | Guys, http://188.233.144.247:8118/ how do I chanhe this message? |
| 08:10.22 | calculon | change* |
| 08:10.31 | foxtrot9 | unc0nnected, I guess with rsync you can make incremental backups |
| 08:10.49 | calculon | this i html |
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| 08:12.20 | unc0nnected | ksuhku: thanks so much man.. sudo apt-get -t squeeze-backports install "libpixman-1-dev" did the trick |
| 08:12.21 | s70rm | which app is for remote desktop sharing? |
| 08:12.29 | unc0nnected | rdesktop |
| 08:12.35 | ksuhku | unc0nnected, :) you're welcome |
| 08:13.21 | s70rm | client and server? |
| 08:13.27 | s70rm | i am see it's rdekstop |
| 08:13.40 | s70rm | hmm.. no |
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| 08:13.52 | s70rm | client and server for sharing linux-linux? |
| 08:13.57 | s70rm | which prog is |
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| 08:16.02 | ksuhku | foxtrot9, tar's been there since dinosaurs, that's why it's famous |
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| 08:16.41 | ksuhku | tar even stands for "tape archive", enough said |
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| 08:36.09 | dan3son | I'm starting and stopping a daemon, using /etc/init.d/ |
| 08:36.40 | dan3son | 'ps' reveals the USER is 116? I'm having a permissions problem with the service related to /srv/, scratching my head trying to figure out what to do |
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| 08:50.07 | notze | hi |
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| 08:51.15 | notze | in windows there is active directory |
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| 08:51.18 | notze | what is in linux |
| 08:51.36 | notze | do i have to change passworts on every single computerß |
| 08:51.36 | squibby | notze, openldap is the first that comes to mind. |
| 08:51.46 | notze | okay i will check it out |
| 08:51.47 | beardy | !ldap |
| 08:51.47 | dpkg | Lightweight Directory Access Protocol (LDAP) is a client/server protocol for accessing a directory service. Ask me about <openldap>. http://wiki.debian.org/LDAP http://scratchpad.wikia.com/wiki/Ldap #ldap on irc.freenode.net. |
| 08:51.47 | notze | := |
| 08:51.53 | digdilem_ | there are several. you can simulate AD in linux with Samba and openldap |
| 08:52.15 | notze | what are big companies doing |
| 08:52.16 | notze | like googlw |
| 08:52.20 | notze | e.g. |
| 08:52.30 | ChrisH | NIS is another Unix-centric solution |
| 08:52.49 | digdilem_ | i imagine they have their own tailored systems cost many hundreds of thousands, but i don't know |
| 08:53.03 | squibby | google keeps that information proprietary |
| 08:53.08 | c_m | Hello. In my C program open("/dev/ttyS0", O_RDWR) works as root but not as user ... |
| 08:53.13 | c_m | ... which is in group dialout which has rw-rights for /dev/ttyS0. What's to do? |
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| 08:53.51 | ChrisH | c_m: please show ls -l /dev/ttyS0 ; id -a ; fuser /dev/ttyS0 on pastebin |
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| 08:58.48 | c_m | ChrisH: http://pastebin.com/xjG0irds |
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| 09:00.58 | notze | so what to do ldap or AD |
| 09:01.07 | pom | I set rsync to -t to keep file mod times, but I get "rsync: failed to set times on "/home/www/flipshop/media/graphics": Operation not permitted (1) |
| 09:01.10 | pom | graphics/blog/" |
| 09:01.22 | notze | thanks for info gotta read it anyway :) |
| 09:01.31 | pom | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:01.44 | pom | Does setting file times require special permission? |
| 09:01.58 | pom | I can overwrite the files themselves. |
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| 09:02.58 | ChrisH | c_m: I wanted the id -a from the non-working user |
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| 09:04.00 | pom | Does it require special permissions to set dir modification time? |
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| 09:04.44 | c_m | ChrisH: UID:1000; BTW: If I set o+rw It'll work for my user. |
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| 09:10.46 | c_m | ChrisH: http://pastebin.com/8fZ7uGdL |
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| 09:18.42 | FDFlock | "< c_m> ChrisH: UID:1000; BTW: If I set o+rw It'll work for my user." --> Of course it will, but please, please keep in mind that changing the permissions of a device could be a HUGE security risk! |
| 09:18.51 | FDFlock | is away again |
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| 09:19.32 | c_m | FDFlock: I know that was just for testing. |
| 09:20.04 | FDFlock | c_m: OK! Just to make sure :) |
| 09:20.13 | fasta | How can I make any browser remember information I fill in fields of which the website wants the browser to _not_ remember those fields? |
| 09:20.22 | rtjure | I try to access the same IP via ssh with a new system on it... ssh-keys don't match of course. How to override? |
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| 09:20.38 | fasta | So, Firefox, Iceweasel, Chromium, Chome, Konqueror, I don't care how. |
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| 09:21.53 | FDFlock | rtjure: Obviously you cannot, unless I misunderstood your post. |
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| 09:24.02 | rtjure | FDFlock: No I cannot. I don'T know how to. I use password authentication, so with the first connection to the IP it asked me to accept the key. I'd like do that again. |
| 09:24.02 | sjg | rtjure: try to delete last key somewhere in ~/.ssh/ |
| 09:25.06 | babilen | rtjure: You can use "ssh-keygen -R [IP|HOSTNAME]" to remove the key belonging to IP or HOSTNAME from ~/.ssh/known_hosts |
| 09:25.43 | babilen | rtjure: Simply reconnect after you have done that and it should ask you to accept the key with the shown fingerprint again |
| 09:26.29 | rtjure | babilen, FDFlock: thx, it worked! |
| 09:27.37 | c_m | BFN: I'll try if a relogin/restart will help. |
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| 09:33.15 | c_m | ChrisH: After a relogin id -a contains dialup ad open(...) works. :) - Thanks for showing the problem. |
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| 09:38.26 | ksk | how do i reattach a specific screen session, if more then one is running? |
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| 09:39.26 | colo-work | ksk, screen -r <pid-of-session> |
| 09:39.56 | ksk | yap, got it trying ;) |
| 09:39.57 | ksk | thanks |
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| 09:55.44 | Yerodin | Every time I try to start dovecot I get: Starting IMAP/POP3 mail server: dovecotError: login_executable: Can't use /usr/lib/dovecot/imap-login: No such file or directory. Help needed :( |
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| 09:58.51 | Todd | couldn't sleep.. needed something for when I logged into my VPS: |
| 09:58.53 | Todd | https://gist.github.com/2145867 |
| 09:59.42 | Todd | now I go smoke and ponder I'm awake for such nonsense |
| 09:59.55 | Todd | s/r I/r why I/ |
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| 10:15.19 | Milos | Which version of grub does Debian use now? |
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| 10:19.45 | sephii | ,version grub |
| 10:19.46 | judd | Package: grub on i386 -- lenny: 0.97-47lenny2; squeeze: 0.97-64; sid: 0.97-66; wheezy: 0.97-66 |
| 10:21.31 | sephii | Milos: http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/grub-pc |
| 10:21.38 | Milos | ah |
| 10:21.39 | Milos | thanks |
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| 10:22.15 | Bartzy | Hi |
| 10:22.24 | Bartzy | How do I get a list of all packages installed from squeeze-backports on my system ? |
| 10:23.20 | themill | !bpo list |
| 10:23.20 | dpkg | To list all packages you have installed from backports.debian.org: aptitude search '?narrow(?version(CURRENT),?origin(Debian Backports))' -F'%100p'; apt must know about the origin repository for this to work (i.e. you have a 'deb' line for it in sources.list and 'apt-get update' has been run). To list all backported packages available for your system: aptitude search '?origin(Debian Backports)'. See also <which repo>. |
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| 10:30.40 | vans01 | Hi. Does anybody know what there is symlink in /etc/X11/ pointing to the X for? Or have any link for any list, there this is discussed? |
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| 10:36.56 | jelly | vans01: huh, that thing's been there in years, probably decades. Try asking in #xorg here on freenode, or #debian-x on irc.debian.org |
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| 10:38.13 | vans01 | jelly, yeah, seems to be an ancient thing. thx, 'll try to ask in that channels. |
| 10:39.45 | Bartzy | !which repo |
| 10:39.45 | dpkg | To see what repository a package may have come from, try http://svn.noreply.org/svn/weaselutils/trunk/apt-listrepository , or use dpkg -l | awk '/^.i/ {print $2}' | xargs apt-cache policy | awk '/^[a-z0-9.\-]+:/ {pkg=$1}; /\*\*\*/ {OFS="\t"; ver=$2; getline; print pkg,ver,$2,$3}', or ask me about <obsolete>, or http://people.debian.org/~dannf/apt-inventory, or <bdo list>, or <dmm list> |
| 10:39.49 | Bartzy | themill: Thank you. |
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| 10:41.36 | Bartzy | themill: I typed that command but I get nothing. I have backports.debian.org in my sources.list and did aptitude update. |
| 10:41.42 | Bartzy | and I have packages from backports for sure. |
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| 10:44.07 | Bartzy | themill: Sorry, my mistake. Thanks. |
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| 10:50.51 | boudiccas | ,versions kmymoney |
| 10:50.52 | judd | Package: kmymoney on i386 -- squeeze: 3.98.1-2; sid: 4.6.2-1; wheezy: 4.6.2-1 |
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| 11:21.15 | lasers` | (Learning NFS. Wondering about autofs) |
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| 11:25.29 | joltcan | lasers`: there are some timeout options for failing requests, but I don't remember if it reconnects to a failed server or not, but I think so |
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| 11:27.05 | lasers` | joltcan: Noted. I'm trying autofs /net right now. So nice. >_> |
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| 11:33.47 | sephii | lasers`: go with autofs. If you don't and your server is unreachable, it might render the whole system unstable |
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| 11:35.44 | lasers` | sephii: I'm curious about /net -hosts option. I can't mount it to a certain place so the only option is to accept it as the way it is? (I asked because I'm nfs-ing /net/xps.local/media/LOOOONG-UUID-CODE-AND-MORE-CODE/) |
| 11:36.29 | lasers` | sephii: In a nutshell, I want auto.nfs if I'm going to mount it in certain directory? |
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| 12:05.04 | mycae | Hello, does anyone know of any open-source 3D sculpting applications, similar to Sculptris - I am looking to do 3D voxel editing, and don't really want slice-by-slice editing. |
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| 12:11.29 | fasta | My machine has stopped responding. I can ping it, but ssh is down. |
| 12:12.05 | fasta | Is there anything I can do to give the kernel some low-level command such that not all state is lost? |
| 12:12.21 | idimmu | remotely? |
| 12:12.28 | fasta | I also find it _hugely_ annoying that in 2012 I still cannot have a machine that works. |
| 12:12.32 | fasta | idimmu: no |
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| 12:13.10 | idimmu | so you have local access? |
| 12:13.14 | idimmu | but its not responding? |
| 12:13.22 | fasta | idimmu: right |
| 12:13.23 | idimmu | whats the screen say? kernel panic? |
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| 12:13.31 | fasta | idimmu: the screen just displays my desktop |
| 12:13.36 | fasta | idimmu: I cannot switch screen. |
| 12:13.40 | idimmu | so your desktop has frozen? |
| 12:13.53 | idimmu | doesnt sound good :( |
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| 12:14.06 | fasta | idimmu: no, the whole system has frozen, because otherwise Contral-Alt-F1 would have worked. |
| 12:14.07 | vlt | fasta: !reisub |
| 12:14.20 | fasta | !tell fasta about !reisub |
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| 12:14.58 | fasta | vlt: and what is the exact command? |
| 12:14.59 | fasta | because |
| 12:15.03 | fasta | !reisub |
| 12:15.04 | dpkg | methinks reisub is Raw sigtErm sigkIll Sync remoUnt reBoot, a magic <sysrq> keys sequence to reboot properly if your machine is half locked. |
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| 12:15.06 | fasta | Doesn't tell me. |
| 12:15.22 | idimmu | http://kember.net/articles/reisub-the-gentle-linux-restart/ |
| 12:15.29 | idimmu | the first google result for reisub does tho |
| 12:15.50 | fasta | Yeah, and I think I get the instructions from dpkg now too. |
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| 12:15.52 | Mmike | I had my debian box installed on /dev/sda, which was partitioned and all. I have /dev/sdb that has some obsolete mdadm partitions. I accitendaly copied partition table from sdb to sda. /proc/partitions still show the 'original' layout. Is there a way to use that somehow to recteate partitions on /dev/sda ? |
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| 12:16.32 | linduxed | nsadmin: at the time when you wrote to me, it was 0416 and i finally got back home from work |
| 12:16.33 | fasta | I don't really see why it has to be an all or nothing game. |
| 12:16.50 | fasta | Why can't it just always reserve some resources such that lockups are impossible? |
| 12:17.02 | linduxed | nsadmin: i managed to get everything up and running and started the restoration of the data partition, that is /export |
| 12:17.02 | frostschutz | Mmike: do /dev/sda* still point to the right places? |
| 12:17.07 | fasta | I want a usable computer, not a race car. |
| 12:17.28 | fasta | If I wanted a race car, I would have installed Gentoo. |
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| 12:17.34 | frostschutz | Mmike: i.e. does file -s /dev/sda* give sensible output |
| 12:17.34 | Mmike | frostschutz, i'd say so, because i can read/write files in, say /var, that is on /dev/sda4 |
| 12:17.41 | linduxed | nsadmin: the fact that it would finish late today or tomorrow... that's a different story |
| 12:17.43 | themill | fasta: I have no idea how you suppose that would work. But at this stage, it's time to move on. |
| 12:18.04 | Mmike | frostschutz, it does |
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| 12:18.14 | fasta | themill: the kernel could have multiple threads of control. |
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| 12:18.31 | fasta | themill: only one of them would likely crash at the same time. |
| 12:18.34 | idimmu | fasta: stop whiging, my linux desktop has uptimes that run in to months |
| 12:18.43 | themill | fasta: and you assume that it doesn't already do that |
| 12:19.06 | fasta | themill: ok, so does it at least log this wonderful event then? |
| 12:19.14 | themill | depends |
| 12:19.15 | fasta | themill: because it seems rather... special then. |
| 12:19.41 | fasta | themill: also, does the kernel actually do that already? |
| 12:19.42 | themill | fasta: I'm sure the kernel developers are waiting for your ideas to be submitted, complete with patches. |
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| 12:20.34 | fasta | I always see kernel developers whine about how bad the hardware is, but I never see them recommend anything which works OK according to them. |
| 12:20.45 | idimmu | maybe try a mac |
| 12:20.52 | fasta | It almost seems as if they don't approve of anything. |
| 12:20.56 | sutoro | I 've not seen debian 6.0.4 live image in live,debian.net yet |
| 12:20.59 | idimmu | the os is installed for you and it's written for the hardware specifically |
| 12:21.15 | frostschutz | Mmike: cd /sys/block/sda; for part in sda*; do echo "$part" $(<$part/start)s; done; - that should give you the list of partition offsets. /proc/partition has the sizes. you should be able to recreate that with parted (or partitioning tool of your choice) then |
| 12:21.20 | idimmu | so you might not break it as much |
| 12:21.40 | fasta | idimmu: I think you get a bit outdated hardware and I don't even like the OS. |
| 12:21.51 | Mmike | frostschutz, thank you! |
| 12:21.53 | idimmu | so you want BLEEDING edge hardware and stable? |
| 12:21.59 | Mmike | frostschutz, let's try it :) |
| 12:22.11 | idimmu | fasta what version of debian are you using? experimental? |
| 12:22.17 | fasta | idimmu: stable |
| 12:22.35 | fasta | idimmu: I want a machine which executes instructions correctly as fast as it can. |
| 12:22.42 | fasta | idimmu: I have no use for something which doesn't do that. |
| 12:22.50 | idimmu | 486s will do that |
| 12:23.08 | frostschutz | Mmike: seems like sth that could already be covered with a script, but I don't actually know any. |
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| 12:23.29 | fasta | idimmu: I don't think can run Debian anymore. |
| 12:23.44 | idimmu | heh |
| 12:24.17 | themill | fasta: you seem to be assuming that people are building hardware and software with the intention that does not execute instructions correctly as fast as it can. Does that not strike you as... odd? |
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| 12:25.25 | petemc | fasta: i find it interesting that you're here complaining about people who whine all the time |
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| 12:25.49 | fasta | themill: intentions are nice, but I would prefer them to learn a bit more about hardware design and production methods. |
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| 12:26.57 | themill | fasta: because you're the expert and they're all clueless idiots who don't know what they're doing? Excellent. I'm glad we've got that sorted out now. |
| 12:27.50 | fasta | themill: I have enough experience and I actually talked to some engineers who work on these chips to know that they don't have any idea as to what they are doing. |
| 12:28.28 | fasta | The reason for that is quite simple: the market demands faster, better, cheaper, and they cannot test everything exhaustively. |
| 12:28.43 | idimmu | go whine at the chip designers then? |
| 12:28.53 | fasta | idimmu: I already did. |
| 12:29.00 | fasta | idimmu: that's when I learned that they didn't have a clue. |
| 12:29.19 | fasta | They likely understand somewhat how the previous generation hardware works. |
| 12:29.27 | fasta | But for current-gen, they are just guessing. |
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| 12:30.11 | fasta | That's why errors like the recent AMD Opteron bug happen. |
| 12:30.13 | idimmu | talking to you is wasiting precious clock cycles that could be used for seti :( |
| 12:30.21 | themill | thinks we're about as far from debian user support as you can get |
| 12:30.52 | fasta | Something Debian could do is make an 'ideal PC configuration'. |
| 12:31.08 | fasta | Something which is supported on a similar level as a Mac. |
| 12:31.26 | fasta | I doubt anyone cares about specific hardware, especially for businesses. |
| 12:31.33 | fasta | They just want it to work. |
| 12:31.50 | idimmu | you are sucking the rate of alien finding out of my machine :( now i will never find ET /o\ |
| 12:32.12 | fasta | idimmu: ET will surely find you. |
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| 12:34.02 | Mmike | frostschutz, is there way to know was the overwritten partition table GPT or MSDOS? or that makes no difference? |
| 12:34.39 | frostschutz | Mmike: doesnt matter as long as it can produce the partition offsets you need. it might matter to your bootloader though. |
| 12:35.01 | frostschutz | Mmike: you could also try testdisk but I think it tries to guess from the disk itself |
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| 12:35.18 | Mmike | frostschutz, backlog saved me - it's gpt |
| 12:35.26 | Mmike | ok, lets fire up parted and play with humbers |
| 12:35.28 | Mmike | numbers |
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| 12:42.40 | bunny69 | upgrading from lenny... |
| 12:42.42 | bunny69 | Calculating upgrade... Failed |
| 12:42.43 | bunny69 | The following packages have unmet dependencies. |
| 12:42.43 | bunny69 | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:42.51 | bunny69 | any solutions? |
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| 12:44.48 | jelly | !tell bunny69 -about bat |
| 12:46.29 | bunny69 | jelly: http://pastebin.com/EmkT8KJ5 |
| 12:47.49 | lasers` | Okay. I'm lost. I don't know what I'm missing. I'm learning NFS/Autofs. I'm on my laptop and I can access /net/xps.local/dir1 but I can't access /net/xps.local/dir2 (although I placed both dirs in server's /etc/exports (and did 'sudo exportfs -ra') Also, what is portmap for? :| |
| 12:48.00 | jelly | bunny69: and your apt-cache policy and apt-cache policy libdevmapper1.02.1 lvm2 ? |
| 12:48.16 | jelly | I'll just preemptively point you to |
| 12:48.24 | jelly | !tell bunny69 about lenny->squeeze |
| 12:49.39 | jelly | bunny69: remember to remove any backports or volatile or third-party repositories |
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| 12:55.15 | bunny69 | klys: thank you very much for your help, you were really patient with me on PM |
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| 12:56.16 | Argafal | hi folks. If I invoke ps -axu I do see numerical userids instead of the names from /etc/passwd. The entry is correctly in there. Can anyone suggest what to check for to debug this problem? |
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| 12:58.15 | Argafal | interestingly enough not for all users, root, daemon, www-data work as intended, exim (104) and my user (1000) do not. |
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| 12:59.08 | jelly | Argafal: ps will show numeric ids when usernames don't fit in 8 characters, unless you provide explicit format that allows for more |
| 12:59.13 | cybrhuman | do anyone know why there is a vim-tiny and not just vi? |
| 12:59.25 | Argafal | jelly: brilliant. |
| 12:59.33 | Argafal | jelly: That's indeed what they have in common. |
| 12:59.47 | abrotman | cybrhuman: did you try nvi ? |
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| 13:00.19 | jelly | Argafal: it used to truncate usernames before, not sure what's worse |
| 13:00.56 | Argafal | jelly: yes, that's what i was used to. |
| 13:01.04 | Argafal | jelly: and I found it much more intuitive. |
| 13:01.21 | Argafal | anyway. is there a way to only increase this field without touching the other ones? |
| 13:02.02 | cybrhuman | abrotman: I just wonder why there is a vim-tiny, usually I want to unleash the full power of vim when I write vim on the commandline. |
| 13:02.25 | abrotman | cybrhuman: because vim-full is huge? |
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| 13:04.27 | cybrhuman | abrotman: if you need minimal remove vim alltogether, not cripple it. |
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| 13:05.22 | abrotman | cybrhuman: i don't make that decision .. i'm just telling you why they might ahve done that |
| 13:05.36 | cybrhuman | abrotman: yes, I know, but ... it bugs me |
| 13:06.14 | abrotman | cybrhuman: you can file a bug? :) |
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| 13:06.27 | cybrhuman | considering it :) |
| 13:07.36 | jmosco | ive been trying to get the Xen blktap2 driver in squeeze, but no luck. I have researched this as well, but do not see anything available. Does anyone know if there is a package available that will keep me from having to recompile the kernel? |
| 13:07.39 | bunny69 | thank you very much once again, klys |
| 13:07.57 | bunny69 | you are really helpful |
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| 13:24.23 | onoez_omg | is there any description of the installation process that covers encryption of root partition by luks standart using simple keyfile(s) for authorization purposes on boot? |
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| 13:24.44 | onoez_omg | thanks and sorry for my english (if matters) |
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| 13:25.01 | raketti | i need to get this working in screen irssi /bind paste /eval exec sh -c echo "text from pastebuffer" > /path/to/file any help? |
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| 13:26.01 | maxxer | hi. how can I install WITHOUT configuring packages? i.e. I'd like to install mysql-server without setting a root password, because I'll restore a db myself later |
| 13:26.44 | tralala | maxxer, you can't. Just install it and restore. |
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| 13:27.13 | maxxer | tralala, i'd like to do a batch install using a script, so that he shouldn't enter any information |
| 13:27.25 | grondilu | I'm afraid I have a few "nonfree" package left on my system. How do I list/squash them? |
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| 13:27.51 | tralala | maxxer, msg dpkg fai |
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| 13:28.57 | grondilu | I'm afraid I have a few "nonfree" packages left on my system. How do I list/squash them? |
| 13:29.00 | maxxer | tralala, thanks! |
| 13:29.08 | tralala | sure |
| 13:30.31 | themill | grondilu: "aptitude search '~i?or(~scontrib,~snon-free)'" |
| 13:32.45 | nsadmin | contribs aren't specifically non-free but pretty much their reason to be, is to support some non-frees |
| 13:33.33 | abrotman | what? no |
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| 13:36.11 | grondilu | themill: it's quite complicated, but ok I'll do that. |
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| 13:37.16 | ardian | Hi is the ia64 the intel 64 bit version ? |
| 13:37.25 | nsadmin | grondilu, he gave you the whole command... all you do now is copy and paste... unless you actually wanna learn something new |
| 13:37.26 | themill | grondilu: it's copy+paste... it's not that complicated |
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| 13:38.12 | themill | ardian: you probably want amd64 unless you paid $10k for your server |
| 13:38.45 | grondilu | I'm not talking about how difficult it is to write. I'm just surprised the command is not simpler. And I don't have aptitude. Don't you know a command with apt-get or dpkg? |
| 13:38.48 | ardian | themill, my laptop has 64bit windows 7 It's intel i5 |
| 13:39.04 | themill | ardian: either i386 or amd64 then |
| 13:39.10 | nsadmin | aptitude install aptitude |
| 13:39.19 | nsadmin | err oh, that won't wor4k |
| 13:39.23 | grondilu | does not want to install aptitude |
| 13:39.30 | nsadmin | apt-get install aptitude |
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| 13:39.51 | ardian | themill, I thought amd64 is only for amd machines |
| 13:39.59 | themill | dpkg: tell ardian about why amd64 |
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| 13:40.04 | nsadmin | so then, that search command will not work and we've all sacrificed a bit of time |
| 13:40.43 | ardian | themill, thanks a lot |
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| 13:46.15 | sephii | i'm looking for a backup solution for a small server that needs to backup on an FTP server. I think solutions that make use of hardlinks are useless here. Any idea? tar? |
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| 13:47.10 | nsadmin | as part of a backup solution you need a backup plan |
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| 13:47.53 | nsadmin | unless you're going to backup the whole machine every time |
| 13:48.35 | sephii | nsadmin: I have some directories I want to backup once a day, so I want incremental backups and full backups let's say once a week |
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| 13:50.20 | nsadmin | it has to be ftp? |
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| 13:51.26 | nsadmin | if so... then you need some additional space for the tarballs as tjeu |
| 13:51.31 | sephii | nsadmin: yes, I don't have a choice here. Also I tried curlftpfs but it seems like the ftp server is an old version of proftpd which is buggy so I can't cp on it |
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| 13:51.42 | nsadmin | as they're being transferred |
| 13:51.51 | kakashi_ | hi! this is my cpuinfo http://dpaste.com/719497/ |
| 13:52.07 | kakashi_ | what should I download for a fresh install |
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| 13:52.16 | kakashi_ | amd64/ia64? |
| 13:52.29 | nsadmin | probably nbot ia |
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| 13:52.48 | sephii | I'm already doing a local backup, then taring it, and then transferring it with ncftpput. but the current solution implies hard links |
| 13:52.49 | ChrisH | kakashi_: amd64 or i386 ia64 will not work |
| 13:53.03 | kakashi_ | great! |
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| 13:53.14 | kakashi_ | but again |
| 13:53.16 | kakashi_ | which is the best |
| 13:53.21 | kakashi_ | for most packages |
| 13:53.26 | kakashi_ | i386? |
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| 13:53.40 | VanDerSp1r | Greetings |
| 13:54.12 | kakashi_ | ChrisH, does amd64 support 32 bit packages too? |
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| 13:54.38 | nsadmin | no |
| 13:54.45 | Yerodin | I'm having trouble to get dovecot running... |
| 13:54.55 | nsadmin | it's one or the other, AND it's not possible to migrate |
| 13:54.55 | ChrisH | amd64 has some issues. Adobe does still not really recognized that there are 64bit CPUs out there :) |
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| 13:55.21 | kakashi_ | so in a way i386 might be an optimal choice as of now? |
| 13:55.22 | ChrisH | kakashi_: What do you want to do with that box and how much RAM is planned? |
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| 13:55.36 | kakashi_ | I have 24Gig ram |
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| 13:55.40 | kakashi_ | its a decent machin e |
| 13:55.52 | kakashi_ | I am going to run a lot of machine learning stuff |
| 13:56.00 | tralala | you want amd64 then |
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| 13:56.11 | ChrisH | kakashi_: Well then _I_ would not discuss... 24GB -> 64bit install |
| 13:56.12 | tralala | it will handle memory much better |
| 13:56.20 | VanDerSp1r | I'm trying to find a way to mount an NFS mount. I constantly get a message called "mount.nfs: mount system call failed". fstan and export list is here: http://pastebin.com/UPwdWH6g |
| 13:56.23 | VanDerSp1r | Any idea? |
| 13:56.25 | kakashi_ | perfect! |
| 13:56.27 | kakashi_ | thanks guys |
| 13:56.45 | tralala | I'm not even sure if i386 can address as much |
| 13:56.46 | VanDerSp1r | It might be a wrong fstab line |
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| 13:57.28 | VanDerSp1r | I also made a user on the NAS i'm trying to mount, that gives access for that specific IP |
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| 13:57.36 | nsadmin | you might be able to set up something for 32b; it's been done and all |
| 13:57.38 | VanDerSp1r | The IP for the server, that is |
| 13:57.47 | bunny69 | abrotman: is it ok to pm you for a sec? |
| 13:58.09 | nsadmin | the nfs server is a nas? |
| 13:58.50 | ChrisH | VanDerSp1r: 192.168.0.115 is the only IP of the system? showmount -e 192.168.0.58 does show the lines you posted? |
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| 14:03.55 | VanDerSp1r | ChrisH: My server where I try to mount the NAS share on, only has the IP of 192.168.0.115. Nothing more to that, also showmount -e 192.168.0.58 did show those lines, yes. |
| 14:04.47 | abrotman | bunny69: depends what it's about |
| 14:04.51 | nsadmin | show the exact text of the mount command |
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| 14:05.09 | ChrisH | VanDerSp1r: OK then try a manuell mount: mount -o vers=3 192.168.0.58:/nas/NASDisk-00008/ASM_NFS /mount/nfs |
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| 14:06.18 | VanDerSp1r | Mounts perfectly, ChrisH. |
| 14:06.22 | nsadmin | VanDerSp1r: you will need to add -t nfs to that |
| 14:06.30 | GorillaPatch | I have a question about ACL on Debian on an ext4 file system. is it supported out of the box? |
| 14:06.55 | ChrisH | VanDerSp1r: the "normal" issues with NFS V4 |
| 14:07.00 | nsadmin | why would aol care what file system? |
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| 14:07.18 | nsadmin | oh, misread, aCl |
| 14:07.55 | GorillaPatch | nsadmin: LOL now I get it. |
| 14:07.58 | VanDerSp1r | ChrisH, any idea on how I can make it mount as default, when I got troubles with the /etc/fstab? |
| 14:07.58 | ChrisH | VanDerSp1r: add the vers=3 to your fstab, see man page for details |
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| 14:09.06 | nsadmin | what version does it try? |
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| 14:09.55 | nsadmin | if you don't say vers=3 that is |
| 14:10.34 | ChrisH | nsadmin: Linux client does try vers 4 if the server seems to offers it. But there are many mismatches in NFS V4 implementation. |
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| 14:13.53 | E3D3 | I need pdflatex for converting my Emacs-documents. How can I install this without needless extraas ? Texlive-stuff is 400 MB. |
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| 14:14.27 | cockroach | E3D3: have you tried aptitude -R? |
| 14:14.53 | ChrisH | nsadmin,VanDerSp1r: rpcinfo -t 192.168.0.58 nfs will show show Version 1-4 |
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| 14:15.33 | nsadmin | hmm, but that's the client, right? |
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| 14:15.49 | nsadmin | the nas is like 115 or something? |
| 14:15.53 | VanDerSp1r | Program not registered |
| 14:16.00 | VanDerSp1r | The nas is 58 |
| 14:16.07 | nsadmin | oh ok |
| 14:16.08 | VanDerSp1r | The server is .115 |
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| 14:17.26 | ChrisH | nsadmin,VanDerSp1r: rpcinfo -t 192.168.0.58 nfs will show show Version 2-4 (1-3 is mount, soory) |
| 14:17.59 | fasta | INFO: using unknown version '/usr/bin/python2.7' (debian_defaults not up-to-date?) |
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| 14:18.11 | ChrisH | nsadmin,VanDerSp1r: rpcinfo -u 192.168.0.58 nfs will show show Version 2-4 (1-3 is mount, soory) |
| 14:18.12 | fasta | Why do I get that message? |
| 14:18.22 | nsadmin | dunno |
| 14:18.35 | nsadmin | what command did you write? (exact text) |
| 14:18.38 | ChrisH | or an: /usr/sbin/nfsstat -m |
| 14:18.40 | E3D3 | cockroach: No, I just read about the -R option in man-page. Thanks |
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| 14:18.46 | cockroach | E3D3: you're welcome |
| 14:19.15 | fasta | nsadmin: dpkg -i <latest virtualbox.deb> |
| 14:19.50 | fasta | nsadmin: it likely makes use of some Debian infrastructure to call Python and then some Debian stuff outputs that. |
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| 14:20.16 | fasta | nsadmin: the Internet is full of reports like that. |
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| 14:20.24 | nsadmin | , versions python |
| 14:20.25 | judd | Package: python on i386 -- lenny: 2.5.2-3; squeeze: 2.6.6-3+squeeze6; sid: 2.7.2-10; wheezy: 2.7.2-10 |
| 14:20.48 | nsadmin | so you're running what, wheezy? sid? |
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| 14:21.10 | fasta | nsadmin: stable |
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| 14:21.28 | nsadmin | how is it you have python 2.7 there? |
| 14:21.35 | Jacta_ | woow! |
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| 14:22.28 | fasta | nsadmin: 2.7.2-13 is installed. |
| 14:22.49 | fasta | nsadmin: perhaps it is a backport. How can I see that? |
| 14:23.00 | Jacta_ | yiiiiiiir |
| 14:23.11 | abrotman | bunny69: yes, you may, but I may not respond immediately |
| 14:23.47 | Jorophose | hey guys! is it just my system or does wheezy not have a power group? how can i let users shut the computer down? |
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| 14:23.56 | nsadmin | Jacta_, something we can do for you? |
| 14:24.14 | ksk | is there a way to make grep say in what document it found the pattern, if i do like "grep foo bar.*"? |
| 14:24.38 | jelly | ksk: grep does that by default. |
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| 14:24.57 | baronobeefdip | hello is there anyone here |
| 14:25.00 | jelly | ksk: when you tell it to grep more than one file, that is. |
| 14:25.06 | ChrisH | ksk: man grep will show you -l |
| 14:25.13 | Jacta_ | baronobeefdip: No! We're all dead! |
| 14:25.30 | baronobeefdip | alright then, i have a security question for networking servers |
| 14:25.33 | ksk | jelly: ChrisH thanks |
| 14:25.37 | DelTree | we are zombies... |
| 14:25.48 | jelly | fasta: pastebin the output of apt-cache policy python2.7 |
| 14:25.57 | nsadmin | baronobeefdip, I'm not here... I'm there! |
| 14:26.06 | Jorophose | I have SliM installed, could that be the problem? |
| 14:26.51 | baronobeefdip | okay, i am seeking an easy and most effective way of preventing ddos attacks for my webserver dns server and ssh server |
| 14:27.04 | fasta | jelly: http://paste.debian.net/160512 |
| 14:27.18 | ChrisH | baronobeefdip: If you found one, tell me :) |
| 14:27.30 | nsadmin | baronobeefdip, best way: don't attract trouble |
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| 14:27.56 | baronobeefdip | i have googled security for ddos attacks and all i am getting are the companies that you pay to do such a thing. as a network administrator i am trying to do it without any third party getting involved |
| 14:28.17 | dekatch | well, someone could help me how to create a own debian image? i want to have a debian image with a later kernel and specific firmware |
| 14:28.28 | ChrisH | or buy smart Load balancer which can handle the load and invest in backend HW |
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| 14:28.35 | jelly | baronobeefdip: that's impossible. At the very least you need cooperation from your ISP. |
| 14:28.52 | nsadmin | baronobeefdip, so you're getting attacked now? |
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| 14:29.41 | baronobeefdip | so there is absolutely no easy way of preventing a ddos attack, what are the advanced ways of doing so, i heard there was something to do with the router and from what you are telling me there is no way of doing it on a server. and i am not getting attacked right now i am just researching |
| 14:29.42 | Jorophose | dekatch: you could add files into the /pool/ of the ISO, but you might have to update the contents somewhere? you can also use a tool like Mondo Rescue on a completed OS |
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| 14:30.17 | fasta | baronobeefdip: only you thing you can do is buying bigger pipes and contacting your ISP. |
| 14:30.17 | nsadmin | baronobeefdip, no, just like you can't limit the rate of incoming packets |
| 14:30.37 | dekatch | Jorophose yea, i want to load a official debian squeeze image, a later kernel, and notebook utils, and fireware for my wifi |
| 14:30.50 | fasta | baronobeefdip: for example, Amazon can currently survive just about anything. |
| 14:30.55 | dekatch | that all i want to have to a new iso which will install this all as default |
| 14:31.00 | abrotman | baronobeefdip: what OS is the server running ? |
| 14:31.03 | baronobeefdip | too slow when contacting and isp, some of which don't offer very helpful support and keep you on hold for 15 minutes to an hour |
| 14:31.06 | fasta | baronobeefdip: at least 'Anonymous' was not able to get them down. |
| 14:31.35 | fasta | baronobeefdip: get a different ISP then which you then pay more. |
| 14:31.47 | anonymous | we are anonymous, we never forget, we never forgive !!!! EXPECT US |
| 14:31.54 | dekatch | ^^ |
| 14:31.56 | fasta | anonymous: lol |
| 14:32.04 | baronobeefdip | anonymous isn't my primary concern i am concerned about it coming from anyone, and i plan to use a wide array of operating systems like freebsd, debian of course, and some windows server (gor forbid) |
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| 14:32.11 | fasta | We are the CIA. We just want to have some lulz. |
| 14:32.23 | fasta | Er I meant We are anonymous. |
| 14:32.38 | ChrisH | baronobeefdip: The main problem is to be able to pick the good ones and drop the bads... |
| 14:32.41 | abrotman | baronobeefdip: so this isn't actually a Debian question ? |
| 14:32.48 | onoez_omg | is there any description of the installation process that covers encryption of root partition by luks standart using simple keyfile(s) for authorization purposes on boot? |
| 14:33.03 | onoez_omg | thanks and sorry for my english (if matters) |
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| 14:33.33 | Jorophose | dekatch: did you try editing the pool though? |
| 14:33.38 | baronobeefdip | i inteded on asking how to protect against ddos attacks on a debian platform but somehow i was questioned on what operating systems i was plannign on using right now i am seeking a debian answer unless it's a router thing |
| 14:33.50 | dekatch | Jorophose dont know how to do that! could u link me a tut? |
| 14:34.13 | ChrisH | baronobeefdip: Its not a matter of OS. Its simply a matter of judging the incoming packets. If the DDOS uses all the same URLs, it can be simply blocked on the Loadbalancer... but I would not expect such an attack anylonger |
| 14:34.14 | dekatch | i do have all drivers and such as .deb Jorophose but, no idea how to add them to the image |
| 14:34.30 | abrotman | baronobeefdip: because this isn't really an OS question .. if your OS is "defending" an attach, you've already lost .. it's not really on topic here |
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| 14:35.10 | qubodup | hi |
| 14:35.29 | baronobeefdip | what program does that ChrisH |
| 14:35.29 | baronobeefdip | if free then it's helpful. i am being proactive as oppossed to reactive if i get one i want to know how torecover asap, but i'll get into that sooner |
| 14:35.35 | onoez_omg | baronobeefdip, the only effective protection comes from expensive hardware firewalls, talking of available solutions that can be used as a counter-measure against non-serious stuff, it can be protmap for example |
| 14:35.42 | jhutchins_wk | dekatch: Why do you need an iso image that will do this? Do you have many systems to build? |
| 14:35.44 | qubodup | I'm with http://joyridelabs.de/game ,which is lgpl/ccbysa3 and has some sounds made with bsfxr (flash/as3) |
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| 14:35.57 | onoez_omg | portmap* |
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| 14:36.07 | abrotman | !tell dekatch about custom netinst |
| 14:36.08 | ChrisH | baronobeefdip: I had Zeus/Riverbed ZXTM in mind... not cheap, not free but excellent |
| 14:36.25 | qubodup | This is seen as a possible problem for inclusion of "Nikki and the Robots" in Debian, as the sound effect sources are not editable using foss |
| 14:36.31 | baronobeefdip | that puts a damper on things about it not being free but it hekps |
| 14:36.33 | baronobeefdip | helps |
| 14:36.35 | nsadmin | baronobeefdip, do you get paid to do your job? |
| 14:36.45 | dekatch | jhutchins_wk is this important? but no, it has to be a custom image for my notebook |
| 14:36.49 | abrotman | baronobeefdip: please take this elsewhere, this is a ##networking question |
| 14:36.50 | nsadmin | the admin job that is |
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| 14:36.54 | dekatch | abrotman no netinstall available with wifi for me |
| 14:37.00 | abrotman | dekatch: so make one |
| 14:37.04 | baronobeefdip | i am a student and i am exploring |
| 14:37.06 | abrotman | !tell dekatch about firmware iso |
| 14:37.23 | baronobeefdip | is it on freenode abrotman |
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| 14:37.31 | nsadmin | yes |
| 14:37.34 | qubodup | I fail to find any guidelines on data files/images/sounds/music in official debian packages |
| 14:37.43 | nsadmin | there snould be ##networking here |
| 14:37.43 | abrotman | baronobeefdip: yes |
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| 14:38.15 | baronobeefdip | alright see you guys soon again i have more questions in mind regarding networking, |
| 14:38.27 | abrotman | regarding Debian you mean ? |
| 14:38.42 | onoez_omg | is there any description of the installation process that covers encryption of root partition by luks standart using simple keyfile(s) for authorization purposes on boot? my own attempts were not successful by now |
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| 14:42.01 | ChrisH | onoez_omg: aside the stuff i did send have a look here: http://madduck.net/docs/cryptdisk/ |
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| 14:42.52 | fredonja | hello everybody:) |
| 14:42.53 | fredonja | i’ve been using linux for 4 years. first was ubuntu, then mint, then fedora, then...other distros which work out-of-the-box. after certain amount of unstabillity, i decided to try debian, as it is “mother” of ubuntu, mint and other forks. of course, stabillity is the main reason, since ubuntu has serious issues, community is big but not very useful, since it is composed of newbies and workarounds when there are better and more diffic |
| 14:42.53 | fredonja | ult solutions. |
| 14:42.53 | fredonja | sooo...i installed squeeze, automated install (except partitioning) ANDDDD i checked the box “Desktop enviroment”. as “advanced newbie” , i didn’t understand the metapackages so clearly (on ubuntu and mint i didn’t even think about it). consequently, i ended up with lots of apps i DO NOT WANT (games, ekiga, empathy, evolution,...). as i read, the “unmark method” is a workaround, and i want a clean system, so i can buid it m |
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| 14:42.59 | onoez_omg | i appreciate that, but i've met difficults on practice |
| 14:43.19 | ardian | I'm having a problem I'm installing debian through a usb, but it's giving me an error the step after you select your keyboard it says that it cant mount cd rom |
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| 14:43.28 | abrotman | cute ... |
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| 14:43.31 | fredonja | h) Mouse |
| 14:43.33 | fredonja | i) Network Connections (is this nm-applet?) |
| 14:43.35 | fredonja | j)Personal File Sharing |
| 14:43.36 | LasseBM | I have attached a disk to an mdadm 5 array, and grown the array /dev/md0. I have a partition on this array /dev/md0p1, but I cannot resize this, since the freespace is now on /dev/md0 and not on /dev/md0p1. Any ideas on how I can fix this? |
| 14:43.37 | fredonja | k)Pop-Up Notifications |
| 14:43.39 | fredonja | l) Power Management |
| 14:43.39 | abrotman | ardian: you can't use unetboottin |
| 14:43.40 | fredonja | m) Prefered Applications |
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| 14:43.42 | fredonja | n) Qt 4 Settings |
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| 14:43.44 | fredonja | o)Remote Desktop |
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| 14:43.47 | fredonja | p)Screensaver |
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| 14:43.49 | idimmu | :o |
| 14:43.51 | abrotman | wtf |
| 14:44.05 | idimmu | he was just a really quick typer rite? |
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| 14:44.21 | ardian | abrotman, I see |
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| 14:44.34 | abrotman | fredonja: don't paste in the channel, use a pastebinb |
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| 14:45.18 | abrotman | thinks hegot the right IP |
| 14:45.21 | abrotman | grr .. nope |
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| 14:46.09 | fredonja | anyway |
| 14:46.16 | abrotman | fredonja: sorry about that .. please don't paste here .. use a pastebin |
| 14:46.21 | fredonja | am i on the chanle? |
| 14:46.25 | fredonja | ok |
| 14:46.26 | nsadmin | fredonja, the most useful thing you can do is put all that (esp the bullet points) in a file or pastebin (latter will expire) and have a short abstract question |
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| 14:46.36 | fredonja | i ll look up to pastebin later |
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| 14:47.10 | fredonja | i waant to know names of packages for specific apps |
| 14:47.14 | nsadmin | gist.github.com is a pastebin, now you don't have to look one up |
| 14:47.15 | DammitJim | is chroot like a virtual machine? |
| 14:47.31 | abrotman | DammitJim: not really |
| 14:47.32 | nsadmin | fredonja, then look at packages.debian.org |
| 14:47.37 | abrotman | fredonja: /msg dpkg search |
| 14:47.41 | fredonja | i tried |
| 14:47.45 | fredonja | didnt help |
| 14:47.50 | fredonja | not a noob |
| 14:47.58 | fredonja | more like advanced noob:d |
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| 14:48.21 | nsadmin | so I'm not understanding here, you can't go to a website? |
| 14:48.24 | abrotman | fredonja: also, please, less enter key |
| 14:48.32 | fredonja | ok |
| 14:48.35 | fredonja | sory |
| 14:48.42 | abrotman | really? |
| 14:48.50 | nsadmin | heh |
| 14:48.56 | abrotman | fredonja: give us an example of an app you want to find which package it belongs to ? |
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| 14:49.34 | nsadmin | fredonja, and, packages.debian.org is a good place to see the packages |
| 14:49.39 | DammitJim | so, when using chroot, one has direct access to the hardware, right? |
| 14:49.52 | fredonja | users and gropus app |
| 14:49.52 | mosno | does anyone know how usable the mate-project debs are? |
| 14:49.53 | nsadmin | not necessarily |
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| 14:50.02 | abrotman | fredonja: we need a binary name |
| 14:50.07 | mosno | ie. is the desktop stable |
| 14:50.14 | abrotman | mosno: ask them, they're not in Debian |
| 14:50.29 | mosno | abrotman, i am painfully aware :) |
| 14:50.35 | nsadmin | fredonja, packages.debian.org, browse stable, admin |
| 14:50.45 | mosno | there was talk of integration on -devel but it stalled |
| 14:50.45 | Arpoon | fredonja: the basic installation on Debian Squeeze is very good and light |
| 14:50.58 | abrotman | mosno: right, so ask them .. how could we know ? |
| 14:51.15 | mosno | i figured that someone in here might run it |
| 14:51.24 | fredonja | yeah, thats my problem...i installed metapackages squeeze and i cent remove empathy, evolution, etc...and i want clean install (without "unmark" workaround) |
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| 14:51.47 | fredonja | but, with base install i dont get system tools i want |
| 14:51.47 | mgaunard_ | is there an easy way to install specific packages along with their dependencies from the experimental repository? |
| 14:51.48 | abrotman | fredonja: many more advanced users don't use metapackages |
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| 14:52.14 | nsadmin | fredonja, otherwise look at adduser, useradd, usermod, userdel, groupadd, groupmod, groupdel (aka some cmds in the shadow passwd suite) |
| 14:52.15 | fredonja | yep |
| 14:53.00 | nsadmin | fredonja, once you install the base, you're not limited as to the number of times you can install additional packages |
| 14:53.04 | fredonja | thats my problem, i want modular install, but i dont know names of specific packages for eg. users and groups, monitor settings, etc |
| 14:53.35 | abrotman | fredonja: and that's why you /msg dspkg search |
| 14:53.37 | somiaj | mgaunard_: what version of debian do you run? |
| 14:53.51 | Arpoon | fredonja: then install debian base only, add apps one by one and choice a desktop KDE GNOME |
| 14:53.57 | nsadmin | fredonja, you don't need personal service for that. look at packages.debian.org, really. |
| 14:54.24 | mgaunard_ | somiaj: I don't actually run debian, but a debian-based distribution |
| 14:54.40 | abrotman | !tell mgaunard_ about based on debian |
| 14:55.10 | mgaunard_ | just assume that it is debian |
| 14:55.13 | ChrisH | fredonja: 2 Questions: 1. how often do you want to install? 2. why do you want to invest that time, what do you want to achive? |
| 14:55.15 | somiaj | mgaunard_: then go ask your distribution about your issue. Do not mix repos, (espically debian vs debian-based), and expect it to be supported and there to be an easy way |
| 14:55.43 | somiaj | mgaunard_: no we won't assume it is debian, that is one way to ensure more problems than in experimential in the first place. |
| 14:56.01 | fredonja | but search on packages.debian.org gives no result...i want gui for passwd etc ...is that possible? is gui for addusr in some "bigger package", but not "gnome-desktop-enviroment? |
| 14:56.05 | LasseBM | I have two partitions /dev/md0p1 (ext4 with data) and /dev/md0p2 (which is unallocated). How can I add md0p2 to md0p1 from command line, and thereby increasing storage? |
| 14:56.22 | nsadmin | fredonja, try browse, not search |
| 14:56.50 | abrotman | fredonja: apt-cache search gui password |
| 14:56.51 | nsadmin | browse, stable, admin |
| 14:56.51 | fredonja | 1:i want to install once in 5 years |
| 14:57.01 | mgaunard_ | somiaj: potential problems are my issue, not yours |
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| 14:57.16 | Arpoon | complicate your life, that's what you do fredonja |
| 14:57.16 | abrotman | mgaunard_: you're offtopic here, take it to the channel for your distro |
| 14:57.23 | mgaunard_ | somiaj: just tell me what would be the correct procedure, I'll tell you whether it works or not |
| 14:57.31 | mgaunard_ | all right then |
| 14:57.35 | mgaunard_ | I'm using debian squeeze |
| 14:57.39 | nsadmin | fredonja, so you want a guarantee that you will like debian before you try it |
| 14:57.40 | mgaunard_ | now would you answer my qustion? |
| 14:57.49 | nsadmin | sorry but no :) |
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| 14:58.13 | fredonja | i am using debian |
| 14:58.17 | movl | mgaunard_: why not ask in your distro's IRC channel? |
| 14:58.27 | somiaj | mgaunard_: do not install non squeeze packages into debian squeeze. Make a backport if you have to. |
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| 14:58.35 | fredonja | using nome about 5 years |
| 14:58.42 | mosno | fredonja, debian lifecycle is shorter than 5 years |
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| 14:59.00 | fredonja | for stable releases? |
| 14:59.05 | nsadmin | fredonja, oh, I thought this was about installing debian (as from your original, long, posting) |
| 14:59.06 | abrotman | mosno: what does that have to do wht installing ? |
| 14:59.31 | mosno | abrotman, he wants to do it once every 5 years. i guess if you don't count dist-upgrades, that's possible |
| 14:59.37 | mosno | but i would count zem |
| 14:59.45 | mosno | shrugs |
| 14:59.45 | mgaunard_ | somiaj: I want to install a package from experimental. Telling me not to do it is not helpful. What is the correct procedure? |
| 14:59.52 | fredonja | ok...i have stable now..when testing "frezees", ill upgrade |
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| 15:00.00 | Dulak | Oh yeah, got my vps tuned. 96m of ram in use and it still handles 10k connections/second. |
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| 15:00.36 | nsadmin | fredonja, have you tried the browse link on packages.debian.org? |
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| 15:01.43 | nsadmin | fredonja oh, ok... so this inquiry is about finding packages (and their names) that satisfy specific requirements? |
| 15:01.54 | fredonja | in fact, it is about installing, but on my other (slower, older) machine so i dont want unuseful stuff, but i want comfort of gnome addons...no, packages, debian.org dont help, as for forum (i posted and no one answers, so i tought i come here...) |
| 15:02.24 | fredonja | yep |
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| 15:02.26 | fredonja | :) |
| 15:02.37 | nsadmin | if its a lot slower, you might not want gnome (you might not even want any graphics) |
| 15:03.03 | ChrisH | fredonja, installed but not started stuff does not affect your systems speed, only the Disk usage. Could you define slow CPU? |
| 15:03.32 | nsadmin | and, I'm still wondering about your progress on packages.debian.org in browsing the stable dist |
| 15:03.40 | Lint | is there an app in debian to add text to midi files? |
| 15:03.48 | fredonja | specific paackages for config editor (gui style), disk usage analyzer (is this baobab?) and Networks tools in system tools submenu |
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| 15:04.08 | nsadmin | Lint, you mean like author, etc? |
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| 15:04.30 | Lint | no, mostly like lyrics |
| 15:04.34 | fredonja | slow cpu as willamete 1,6 from 2001. and 128 sdram |
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| 15:04.53 | fredonja | and 10 gb seagate ata |
| 15:05.08 | Kobaz | which debian installer has btrfs as a fs option |
| 15:06.03 | abrotman | testing, maybe |
| 15:06.11 | ChrisH | fredonja: I installed debian stable, gnome onto a 800MHz P3 Notebook., disable the effects and it will be fine. Otherwise install it with XFCE or another Window Manager. Test using a live CD-DVD |
| 15:06.17 | Kobaz | k |
| 15:06.21 | fredonja | then, in preferences: about me, appearance, bluetooth. keyboard, keyboard shortcuts, main menu (alacarte?), monitors, mouse |
| 15:06.44 | fredonja | network connections (this one i really need) |
| 15:06.47 | nsadmin | fredonja, again you may or may not want to run gnome on that machine (up to you tho) I don't think that's enough ram |
| 15:06.58 | Lint | ideally something like Cakewalk software |
| 15:07.17 | fredonja | it is, it ran gnome on slackware few years ago |
| 15:07.18 | Dulak | gnome will be constantly swapping with 128m, if it runs at all |
| 15:07.30 | nsadmin | there's ardour, there's audacity |
| 15:07.48 | Lint | audacity is like a soundforge |
| 15:07.48 | nsadmin | the former is a bit more comples |
| 15:07.53 | nsadmin | x |
| 15:08.21 | fredonja | is it possible to ran gdm and not gdm3, for example (compositing is, of course out of the question) |
| 15:08.24 | Lint | cakewalk can edit shit music and add text to midi files |
| 15:08.33 | Lint | *sheet |
| 15:08.40 | nsadmin | fredonja, the gnome of a few years ago might have run ok |
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| 15:08.53 | fredonja | on squeeze |
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| 15:09.15 | fredonja | or should i put sarge? |
| 15:09.27 | nsadmin | yoo poot a sheet on my bed I kill u! |
| 15:09.48 | Dulak | sarge is very old and gets no updates anymore |
| 15:09.50 | nsadmin | sarge is way way old |
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| 15:10.01 | nsadmin | right, no support |
| 15:10.09 | nsadmin | and, it might run on that machine |
| 15:10.49 | nsadmin | you would have to get cd images for it, there wouldn 't be a package mirror any more |
| 15:11.27 | fredonja | nsadmin:ok, doesnt mater because i also have a new laptop and i dont want to do metapackage install. how would i find out names of these specific..options..hm? |
| 15:12.05 | nsadmin | fredonja, I've told you that like 10 times now |
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| 15:12.34 | fredonja | yeah, but search on packages, debian gives no solution |
| 15:12.50 | fredonja | im really desperate |
| 15:12.55 | Arpoon | fredonja: search packages in debian: apt-cache search <packages_name> |
| 15:13.09 | sephii | fredonja: you could also try to go with DSL or a similar distro |
| 15:13.12 | nsadmin | lose the desperation, let it go. it's obviously not serving you |
| 15:13.15 | fredonja | ok, ill try and be back in a minute |
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| 15:13.47 | nsadmin | and add ram to that old thing :) |
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| 15:15.13 | nsadmin | wonders if he said "browse" all 10 times |
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| 15:15.52 | movl | Lint: best typo :D |
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| 15:19.26 | fredonja | nsadmin:ok, i did apt-cache search preferred applications. it gave mi next: exot-utils- Utility files for libexo, libirman-dev...some other utils and xdg-utils and quick-louge-applet....my question is: if i install those packages in base-installed apt, will i get all those goodies from standard gnome-desktop-enviroment, BUT without ekiga, empathy, evolution, and other apps i dont want to be installed? |
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| 15:20.12 | sunbeam | any pureftpd users in here? How can I create a new file on server? |
| 15:20.16 | sunbeam | is there any command for that |
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| 15:20.23 | sunbeam | like there is touch file.txt on debian |
| 15:20.56 | fredonja | or at least point me to GOOG modular install manual, because the web is crowded with metapackage-based manuals |
| 15:21.00 | thinkerbell | Is it possible to make /var/www accessible to a regular user, chmod? |
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| 15:21.51 | ChrisH | sunbeam: !touch bla ; put bla ? |
| 15:21.54 | Dulak | thinkerbell: it's more secure to make the dir in the user's home dir, then soft link it into /var/www |
| 15:22.20 | Arpoon | fredonja: try apt-get install gnome-core |
| 15:22.28 | ChrisH | thinkerbell: why do you want to do that? |
| 15:22.42 | ChrisH | Dulak: why is that more secure? |
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| 15:22.56 | fredonja | arpoon:that doesnt give me all the admin items i want |
| 15:22.59 | thinkerbell | Dulak, good idea, so I would: #ls -s /var/www/index.php /home/meuser/web/index.php |
| 15:23.24 | fredonja | for example, im lost without users and groups gui style |
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| 15:23.36 | fredonja | netrwork connections |
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| 15:23.51 | Dulak | thinkerbell: mkdir /home/username/html; ln -s /home/username/html /var/www/sitename |
| 15:23.55 | fredonja | nsadmin: i did browse, also as search |
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| 15:23.59 | sunbeam | ChrisH: that does not workj |
| 15:24.03 | nsadmin | fredonja, you won't be for long |
| 15:24.09 | sunbeam | ChrisH: not with pureftpd or any other |
| 15:24.15 | nsadmin | ok, good... did you see package lists? |
| 15:24.32 | thinkerbell | Dulak, oh, it goes the other way around |
| 15:24.38 | fredonja | nsadmin:yes |
| 15:24.44 | ChrisH | sunbeam: the ! will be done by your local ftp client |
| 15:24.51 | Dulak | ChrisH: I suppose it isn't any more secure really, more of an organizational aid. |
| 15:24.52 | nsadmin | great :) that's what I wanted to show you |
| 15:24.59 | Lint | is there an app in debian like cakewalk which can add text to midi files? |
| 15:25.16 | fredonja | nsadmin:ok |
| 15:25.22 | sunbeam | ChrisH: ok in flash fxp, i execute CTRL+R and then (on the remote side) !touch bla; put bla |
| 15:25.29 | sunbeam | ChrisH: both command unknown as reply |
| 15:25.44 | nsadmin | fredonja, "users and groups" sounds like a mac thing and a win thing |
| 15:25.48 | thomaschaaf | I keep getting: error -84 whilst initialising SD card this error when pluggin in my sd card. I don't know if this is a big problem. How would I go about mounting an sd card? (It does not come up in /dev/disk/) |
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| 15:26.19 | fredonja | nsadmin:maybe, i didnt use win 8 years |
| 15:26.31 | ChrisH | sunbeam: what is flash fxp? Use a cli ftp client and it will work :) |
| 15:26.32 | nsadmin | there might be something like that, AND you should understand the basics of how unix users work, and gain the ability to work with them in the command line |
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| 15:26.42 | nsadmin | do you have a lot of users? |
| 15:26.53 | Dulak | thinkerbell: I don't even bother with the link, I have my webserver set to look in the user home dir directly for the docroot |
| 15:27.10 | fredonja | my mother, sister and a brother |
| 15:27.18 | nsadmin | ok, not for 8 years? are you implying there exists something for linux already that does what you want? |
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| 15:27.52 | nsadmin | that you've already had on one of your linuxes that you were using? |
| 15:27.59 | OldParr | evolution does not connects with yahoo mail servers |
| 15:28.04 | fredonja | no, i used suse, mandriva, fedora, ubuntu |
| 15:28.25 | nsadmin | did any of them have a "users and groups" gui? |
| 15:28.50 | thinkerbell | Dulak, I just did chmod a+rw |
| 15:29.15 | fredonja | now i switched to debian because i want to know how it works, but i need a little help...debian manuals are pretty confusing for a "gui-user" like me |
| 15:29.24 | Dulak | ChrisH: fxp is cross-site ftp. You connect to 2 ftp servers, and set one server to transfer to the other, skipping the client completely. So you can transfer files server-to-server without having to d/l the file(s) first. |
| 15:29.47 | fredonja | in sueeze you have "users and groups" menuentry |
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| 15:30.00 | ChrisH | Dulak: something like rsync :) |
| 15:30.03 | nsadmin | in what, gnome? |
| 15:30.04 | sunbeam | ChrisH: it does not, but okay |
| 15:30.08 | fredonja | but, in metapackage installed squeezeđ |
| 15:30.20 | fredonja | yep, in gnome |
| 15:30.24 | nsadmin | ok |
| 15:30.33 | Dulak | ChrisH: yes, but ftp as the transport, and it's server-to-server instead of server-to-client |
| 15:30.48 | nsadmin | let me see if kde has something |
| 15:31.09 | fredonja | ah, you are using kde...sorry:) |
| 15:31.32 | fredonja | assumed debian users are mostly gnome users..my mistake |
| 15:31.59 | ChrisH | sunbeam: http://pastebin.com/igWCtsm8 for me it does work |
| 15:32.36 | ChrisH | does not like ftp at all.... plaintext passwords + weird port usage |
| 15:32.50 | OldParr | when using yahoo mail with evolution (using the preset settings ) it does not connects , is it possible to use with yahoo ? |
| 15:32.51 | nsadmin | probably ubuntu and debian have kde as a possiblity |
| 15:32.52 | fredonja | nsadmin:but the principle should be the same. i know kde is more user-friendly than gnome so i figure it has gui-style users and groups managemnet |
| 15:33.03 | sunbeam | ChrisH: thanks |
| 15:33.21 | nsadmin | right, that's why I just looked to see if I had a users and/or groups thing in/for kde |
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| 15:33.48 | Dulak | ChrisH: yeah I agree, but fxp uses that weird port usage to connect server-to-server, it used to be all the rage for warez back in the 90s. Now they use rsync and ssh transport. |
| 15:34.26 | nsadmin | and I didn't find anything... I must not have it installed... anyway, I've run out of time; want food soon :) |
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| 15:35.04 | JesseObrien | alright, who broke php5-suhosin in testing |
| 15:35.10 | fredonja | nsadmin: im using irc chat for the first time in my life soo...is it ok to post a link to a forum topic where i explain everything? |
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| 15:35.33 | nsadmin | JesseObrien, ask the bts... contact the maint... I didn't do it!! |
| 15:35.44 | JesseObrien | lol |
| 15:35.45 | JesseObrien | ugh |
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| 15:35.59 | JesseObrien | i did a dist upgrade and php5-suhosin is missing from wheezy |
| 15:36.06 | nsadmin | fredonja, you can post a link |
| 15:36.14 | fredonja | http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=77469 |
| 15:36.22 | fredonja | thanx :) |
| 15:36.45 | fredonja | ill go to find some food also...see you all:) |
| 15:36.59 | sutoro | I still haven't seen debian 6.0.4 live image on debian live |
| 15:37.23 | nsadmin | sutoro, why live? |
| 15:37.36 | Argafal | hi folks. I have a patch here that I would like to apply to something I installed from debian. Is there a summary somewhere (dpkg bot keyword?) how to get the source, put in an additional patch and rebuild it to a debian package? |
| 15:37.56 | sutoro | my HDD is crowded with many files |
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| 15:38.02 | nsadmin | apt-get source <packagename> |
| 15:38.12 | sutoro | can't find enough free space |
| 15:38.35 | ChrisH | sutoro: lvextend? SCNR |
| 15:38.38 | nsadmin | you need deb-src lines in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 15:38.51 | Argafal | nsadmin: so far i got, yes. |
| 15:39.14 | nsadmin | then you would have the source |
| 15:39.37 | nsadmin | anyway, still out of time right now, must food me. |
| 15:39.42 | Argafal | nsadmin: how to build the package from the source (and to get the dependencies)? |
| 15:39.46 | Argafal | alright, thanks anyways |
| 15:40.06 | nsadmin | fakeroot debian/rules clean |
| 15:40.10 | nsadmin | fakeroot debian/rules build |
| 15:40.15 | nsadmin | fakeroot debian/rules binary |
| 15:40.35 | nsadmin | to get build deps, apt-get build-dep <packagename> |
| 15:40.39 | Argafal | thanks very much |
| 15:40.48 | nsadmin | that should get you started |
| 15:41.13 | Argafal | pretty much what i was hoping to get :) |
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| 15:44.48 | Sevet | Argafal: dpkg-checkbuilddeps from inside the source (reads debian/control) |
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| 15:49.28 | Pikkachu | hi, I'm confused. I've read docs but can't figure out how to version my patched package, let me explain... |
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| 15:50.20 | foxtrot9 | is gnomebaker no longer in the debian repository, or was it never there in the first place? |
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| 15:50.40 | Pikkachu | I'm not sure if I want original package versions to supersede mine, because they'll likely not contain the applied patches... |
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| 15:51.41 | Pikkachu | as likely is not certainly, and besides new versions may contain considerable updates (e.g. security fixes), I think I do want newer original versions to supersede mine |
| 15:52.25 | Pikkachu | that can't be achieved with my current dash approach, it makes original and my patched package refer to different upstream versions |
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| 15:53.02 | Pikkachu | so I'm looking for an alternative to the dash, but I'm not sure if I use a letter, word, tilde, plus sign, whatever |
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| 15:53.43 | Pikkachu | so, putting all in a simple question, what's a straightforward way to version a patched package? |
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| 15:57.17 | Pikkachu | for example, the patch version scheme itself is that of a date, and for Windows it is like "foobar 1.2.3" => "foobar 1.2.3 P20120321" |
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| 15:58.35 | Sevet | pikkachu: increment the debian_revision part of the version http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-controlfields.html#s-f-Version |
| 15:58.55 | Pikkachu | I'm not sure about the debian package though, maybe foobar_1.2.3-3 => foobar_1.2.3-3~P20120321, foobar_1.2.3-3+P20120321, foobar_1.2.3-3patch20120321, foobar_1.2.3-3myname20120321... ? |
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| 15:59.33 | Pikkachu | Sevet: I'm sorry that was the doc I've read before continuing confused |
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| 16:00.27 | Pikkachu | Sevet: I'm not sure what to use to increment it, as described in the examples after your post |
| 16:01.34 | Sevet | is there already a 1.2.3-3? |
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| 16:05.10 | Pikkachu | it's an example |
| 16:06.07 | JesseObrien | anyone running php5 on debian testing atm? |
| 16:06.20 | JesseObrien | sorry, php5.4 |
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| 16:08.14 | movl | JesseObrien: I try to, but of course it fails to update |
| 16:08.30 | JesseObrien | i did a dist-upgrade this morning and it seems php5 breaks apache hard |
| 16:08.34 | movl | that's what you mean, right? |
| 16:08.36 | JesseObrien | all i'm getting is seg faults |
| 16:08.51 | JesseObrien | no, it upgraded to 5.4.0-2 just fine |
| 16:08.52 | movl | don't you have apt-listbugs? |
| 16:08.56 | JesseObrien | but apache is seg faulting hard |
| 16:09.13 | movl | see bug #664849 |
| 16:09.46 | movl | IMHO, apt-listbugs on testing or sid is crucial |
| 16:10.04 | JesseObrien | sorry, i didn't know listbugs existed |
| 16:10.14 | JesseObrien | thanks movl |
| 16:10.26 | movl | yw |
| 16:10.33 | JesseObrien | seems i'll have to downgrade |
| 16:10.39 | movl | good luck |
| 16:10.48 | movl | I hope it ain't no production server |
| 16:10.54 | JesseObrien | nope, just local |
| 16:11.00 | movl | aye, same here |
| 16:11.05 | JesseObrien | still cutting into my productivity :) |
| 16:11.07 | JesseObrien | heh |
| 16:11.10 | movl | :P |
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| 16:15.37 | JesseObrien | i don't even know how i'm going to get back to 5.3.10 |
| 16:15.38 | JesseObrien | ugh |
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| 16:16.36 | Argafal | nsadmin: thanks, i achieved exactly what I wanted (getting the source, putting in the patch http://mailman.verplant.org/pipermail/collectd/2011-March/004415.html and rebuilding the dpkg to deploy on my machines). :o) |
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| 16:19.51 | nsadmin | Argafal, great :) |
| 16:20.11 | movl | JesseObrien: look in /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 16:20.38 | movl | but it's pretty tricky anyhow |
| 16:22.09 | bunny69 | do you need a robust web server which is also light on resources and doesn't require breaking your head to configure? stop using apache... install nginx. |
| 16:22.22 | movl | good point |
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| 16:22.26 | movl | or even monkey |
| 16:22.37 | nsadmin | I still like aolserver :) |
| 16:22.43 | nsadmin | haven't tried nginx |
| 16:22.56 | bunny69 | man... i spent 2 days trying to setup vhosts on funked up apache2... took 30 mins to setup nginx plus php5 and all my vhosts... |
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| 16:23.14 | bunny69 | nsadmin just read about it... it's so fast i can't believe it |
| 16:23.22 | bunny69 | reloading my websites like an idiot now |
| 16:23.23 | Dulak | I just tuned my nginx on a vps. 8m of ram and able to do 10k connections/second. |
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| 16:23.30 | bunny69 | yes Dulak! |
| 16:23.48 | bunny69 | it does 10k like a breeze... and takes like what... 10MB of ram lol |
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| 16:24.06 | bunny69 | apache would use... i'm too scared to tell you how much :) |
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| 16:24.12 | nsadmin | bunny69, are you saying you have to be an idiot to restart??! |
| 16:24.13 | bunny69 | if it could server 10k at all... |
| 16:24.31 | bunny69 | nsadmin no... i'm reloading websites like an idiot to enjoy the speed |
| 16:24.33 | Dulak | I couldn't get apache past 3k connections/second and it used up all my ram and started swapping like mad. |
| 16:24.41 | bunny69 | yes Dulak |
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| 16:25.11 | bunny69 | 2 days ago i nearly died trying to get apache2 to do what i wanted it to do... and then i said enough... i'm so happy now... |
| 16:25.17 | nsadmin | I guess apache came out of ncsa httpd |
| 16:25.37 | bunny69 | not sure but i'm in the process of wiping apache off my machines now |
| 16:25.49 | nsadmin | bunny69, glad you survived! |
| 16:25.54 | bunny69 | yes! |
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| 16:26.10 | bunny69 | please install nginx, will you? :) |
| 16:26.23 | bunny69 | i promise to assist :) |
| 16:26.27 | nsadmin | well... my production stuff is all aolserver |
| 16:26.36 | bunny69 | good for you... |
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| 16:27.11 | bunny69 | does aolserver use threads or processes? |
| 16:27.12 | valdyn | is khttpd still maintained? |
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| 16:27.19 | nsadmin | threads |
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| 16:27.34 | bunny69 | nsadmin so it might be something as good as nginx then |
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| 16:28.24 | tedp | hi. looking for hints on whether to use apt-p2p or debtorrent. |
| 16:28.31 | bunny69 | i think that guys @ apache really lost the point long ago lol |
| 16:28.42 | nsadmin | I've never had to like tune it or anything... but it's said to be massively scalable and from its start of life was to serve apps |
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| 16:28.58 | valdyn | bunny69: maybe, just maybe most deployments dont really care about the performance youre measuring |
| 16:28.58 | bunny69 | yes, nginx is exactly same with scaling |
| 16:29.06 | tedp | debtorrent has about twice as many votes in popcon, so it seems to be more used, but apt-p2p seems to have a slightly better architecture |
| 16:29.31 | bunny69 | valdyn it's also about documentation... it's written that way that i can't understand a word... |
| 16:29.36 | JesseObrien | movl: it's actually not a problem with php5-common |
| 16:29.39 | JesseObrien | it's a problem with php-apc |
| 16:29.46 | JesseObrien | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=664880 |
| 16:29.48 | bunny69 | i seriously am in ave now since i fired up nginx |
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| 16:30.25 | nsadmin | ave nue? |
| 16:30.32 | bunny69 | ave nuts! |
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| 16:31.08 | bunny69 | look... vhosts in nginx take like 3 mins to setup... doesn't matter if ip or name based |
| 16:31.17 | bunny69 | and they just work. |
| 16:31.25 | nsadmin | bunny69, here's a page from a toolkit built on aolserver... http://openacs.org/doc/acs-templating/demo/ |
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| 16:31.52 | bunny69 | in apache you have like gazillion of files, directives and other bullshit and after long night you wake up with broken vhosting... that's what happened to me |
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| 16:32.08 | bunny69 | nsadmin thank you, will certainly take a look |
| 16:32.18 | bunny69 | aolserver must be nice too |
| 16:32.31 | bunny69 | but i know of some huge site using tomcat also |
| 16:32.44 | valdyn | bunny69: tomcat is not an alternative |
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| 16:32.59 | bunny69 | anyway they must all be thread based and i have just realised the difference... |
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| 16:33.04 | nsadmin | tomcat is one of many containers |
| 16:33.09 | bunny69 | oh i read you |
| 16:33.16 | bunny69 | so more like a container |
| 16:33.32 | wisconsin | something weird is happening with my grep |
| 16:33.34 | nsadmin | or possibly exactly like a container maybe :) |
| 16:33.44 | valdyn | bunny69: its a frontend to java servlets, its not something like nginx or apache |
| 16:33.45 | bunny69 | wisconsin try egrep then ;) |
| 16:33.53 | bunny69 | yes nsaguy :) |
| 16:33.58 | wisconsin | wc /usr/share/dict/words is fast |
| 16:34.09 | nsadmin | wisconsin, quarentine it! keep it away from my greps!! |
| 16:34.10 | bunny69 | i understand now, valdyn |
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| 16:34.11 | wisconsin | but grep . /usr/share/dict/words | wc is really *really* slow |
| 16:34.15 | bunny69 | or at least trying he he |
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| 16:34.49 | nsadmin | wisconsin, grep . meand match lines with at least one char |
| 16:34.55 | bunny69 | he he |
| 16:34.57 | wisconsin | i know |
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| 16:35.02 | wisconsin | but it takes 100% cpu |
| 16:35.07 | Dulak | wisconsin: yes grep is applying the regex to every line, whereas wc simply has to count the lines, with no regex |
| 16:35.08 | bunny69 | might suck on a 300k dictionary ;) |
| 16:35.23 | wisconsin | if i reinstall debian it runs fast.. |
| 16:35.35 | bunny69 | what are you trying to achieve, wisconsin? |
| 16:35.40 | acc3ss | good day.I currently using lenny. |
| 16:35.42 | bunny69 | why would you use . ? |
| 16:35.48 | wisconsin | trying to understand if my machine is rooted |
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| 16:35.55 | nsadmin | hmm. that sounds like something underlying |
| 16:35.57 | acc3ss | I install kqemu-common |
| 16:36.01 | bunny69 | acc3ss good day... i'm actually on the mix of lenny and sq |
| 16:36.23 | bunny69 | wisconsin that's not really how you find out... |
| 16:36.26 | nsadmin | you're a gad bunny... |
| 16:36.31 | acc3ss | modprobe kqemu,then it told me kqemu not found |
| 16:36.34 | somiaj | wisconsin: have you ran chkrootkit |
| 16:36.34 | wisconsin | ok, how do i find out? |
| 16:36.36 | fdoving | wisconsin: try grep -c . /usr/share/dict/words |
| 16:36.42 | wisconsin | because this is damned suspicious |
| 16:36.46 | nsadmin | mixing like that... |
| 16:36.56 | somiaj | wisconsin: or rkhunter? |
| 16:36.57 | acc3ss | I dont like to reboot my machines.it there a workout? |
| 16:37.08 | wisconsin | fdoving: that's also 100% cpu |
| 16:37.14 | bunny69 | nsadmin it all started when sq was just a testing guy |
| 16:37.28 | bunny69 | not much of a lenny left though |
| 16:37.35 | valdyn | acc3ss: why do you think that rebooting would help you? |
| 16:37.46 | valdyn | wisconsin: it should be high in wa%, not cpu |
| 16:37.47 | nsadmin | you shuld upgrade the rest of the way :) |
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| 16:37.50 | acc3ss | just my stupid thoughts |
| 16:37.59 | bunny69 | nsadmin i'm too scared |
| 16:38.00 | wisconsin | i've tried reinstalling a few times, and then grep runs fast.. but after a while this problem comes back.. |
| 16:38.00 | craigevil | acc3ss, only time you need to reboot is when kernel upgrades or you change hardware |
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| 16:38.01 | [XeN] | I'm loooking for a good howto, to build a mailserver for 2 domains, under 30 users and high security. can anyone help? |
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| 16:38.15 | wisconsin | ok, will try rootkit hunter stuff.. |
| 16:38.18 | nsadmin | bunny69, what has you feeling scared? |
| 16:38.48 | bunny69 | nsadmin you see... i tried today but apt said it would wipe my mysql off at first... and never offered a newer version instead... i can't really trust dist-upgrade in such case having in mind like 480 packages... |
| 16:38.54 | craigevil | wisconsin, also take a look ay lynis and chkrootkit |
| 16:39.03 | craigevil | s/ay/at |
| 16:39.03 | fdoving | wisconsin: you can try to also reinstall grep, aptitude reinstall grep |
| 16:39.09 | bunny69 | wisconsin definetly |
| 16:39.29 | nsadmin | hmm, that's also the reason one of my remotes still runs etch |
| 16:39.44 | bunny69 | why not just take a crc32 of grep, remove it and install again and check its crc32? |
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| 16:40.00 | bunny69 | nsadmin see? he he |
| 16:40.12 | nsadmin | bunny69, dd your whole squeeze so you have a dual boot |
| 16:40.13 | somiaj | wisconsin: what version of debian do you run? |
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| 16:40.21 | bunny69 | rule of a thumb: if it works - don't touch it... |
| 16:40.25 | nsadmin | everything, incl the mysql data |
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| 16:40.36 | acc3ss | well but I did install kqemu-common |
| 16:40.51 | acc3ss | why I cannot load that module? |
| 16:40.58 | nsadmin | bunny69, no one's touched my thumb in a long time... |
| 16:40.59 | bunny69 | nsadmin yah... there are many ways of skinning the cat... but it's time, it's a risk, it's just a scary experience |
| 16:41.07 | nsadmin | must work pretty good L) |
| 16:41.27 | Lint | is there an app in debian like cakewalk which can add text to midi files? |
| 16:41.27 | Kobaz | how would i fix this: dpkg: warning: parsing file '/var/lib/dpkg/status' near line 5848 package 'modutils': missing architecture |
| 16:41.40 | bunny69 | my lenny/sq combo served me well for the last 2 years... |
| 16:41.52 | bunny69 | with some dotdeb too |
| 16:41.59 | nsadmin | bunny69, you see what I'm suggesting tho, upgrade the copy and see what it would take to get the mysql working |
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| 16:42.11 | craigevil | Kobaz, the file and fix the problem, use a text editor that numbers the lines |
| 16:42.18 | craigevil | open ^ |
| 16:42.22 | nsadmin | and if it's too much crap... erase it... like nothing happened |
| 16:42.38 | Kobaz | craigevil: yeah, i know that part.. i can fix the status file, but then apt-get update will break it again |
| 16:42.55 | bunny69 | nsadmin well... basically it's easier than that... i could simply make a full backup of all the databases, then remove mysql and then install the 5.5 from sq so it wouldn't even bother to remove it again on dist-upgrade |
| 16:43.10 | craigevil | Kobaz, it shouldn't , what probably broke it was the last time that package was upgraded |
| 16:43.32 | nsadmin | bunny69, this is a remote? |
| 16:43.36 | Kobaz | hmm |
| 16:43.37 | bunny69 | yes it is |
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| 16:43.48 | nsadmin | oh, I see |
| 16:43.51 | bunny69 | a very nice remote :) |
| 16:44.04 | bunny69 | and i would rather not ground it |
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| 16:44.32 | nsadmin | you shouldn't grind remotes, you grind coffee beans |
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| 16:44.56 | bunny69 | basically why would i want to upgrade if: there are only a few ports open and their daemons are up to date, also no one but me has access to the box |
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| 16:45.29 | nsadmin | so it's not internet-facing? |
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| 16:45.48 | nsadmin | also... just asking: have you considered pg? |
| 16:45.51 | bunny69 | it is but ssh or nginx aren't really unsafe, are they? |
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| 16:46.21 | nsadmin | haven t looked into safety lately |
| 16:46.26 | bunny69 | a pg? |
| 16:46.33 | nsadmin | postgres |
| 16:46.43 | bunny69 | oh true... just wasn't sure which pg did you mean :) |
| 16:46.51 | bunny69 | well i once thought of it |
| 16:47.00 | bunny69 | but then i took a look at percona |
| 16:47.09 | bunny69 | and i'm possibly going for it soon |
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| 16:48.10 | bunny69 | mostly because i know mysql quite well and don't want to learn from scratch |
| 16:48.19 | bunny69 | while percona is mysql on steroids |
| 16:48.39 | nsadmin | talk about scary... |
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| 16:54.22 | acc3ss | shit.why debian wiki remove kqemu instruction.But I found workout |
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| 16:55.40 | arakno | hi pple, do any of you know how to filter stuff with c-icap (like respond with all html exept "greping out" from <foo> to </foo>) |
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| 16:56.38 | wisconsin | arakno: beware of grep |
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| 16:58.47 | wisconsin | rootkit checks found nothing.. |
| 16:59.38 | wisconsin | maybe an advanced persistent threat? :-/ |
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| 17:04.04 | mooglenorph | Hi... has anyone tried installing debian on one of these things? http://wolvol.com/ |
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| 17:05.45 | somiaj | wisconsin: what version of debian do you run, you say that after a certain amount of time certain commands in general start to run slower? |
| 17:05.47 | mooglenorph | I don't care about the touchscreen, I just want CLI squeeze and the ability to connect to a usb hard drive. |
| 17:05.56 | qmr | So if my main host is qtech.us .. should I make my keys be like... qmr@qtech.us , or qmr@qtech |
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| 17:07.39 | somiaj | mooglenorph: I'd find one you like then look at the actual hardware. Do you know if those netbooks are running x86, or arm or some other processor? |
| 17:08.52 | wisconsin | somiaj: squeeze |
| 17:09.22 | somiaj | wisconsin: is it all commands or just some commands that seem to run slower? |
| 17:09.29 | wisconsin | yes, reinstalling debian and grep runs fast again |
| 17:09.55 | wisconsin | somiaj: i've also noticed ls */*/*/* takes a while |
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| 17:10.04 | somiaj | wonder if it is the files you are grepping, do the files that you run grep on get reinstalled as well? |
| 17:10.07 | mooglenorph | somiaj: they're running a VIA8650 cpu? |
| 17:10.27 | somiaj | mooglenorph: I'm not that familar with various cpus, but that is what I would do, look at the actual hardware and then see support for that. |
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| 17:11.13 | wisconsin | hmm... but that seems to work ok now |
| 17:11.46 | wisconsin | it's just grep afaict |
| 17:11.54 | somiaj | wisconsin: well in both cases you mentioned ls and grep have to look though the file system. How full is your file system? |
| 17:12.04 | wisconsin | wc /usr/share/dict/words is fast |
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| 17:12.26 | wisconsin | 22% full |
| 17:12.31 | somiaj | well grep will of course be slower than wc because it has to actually parse and prefor a regex on each line |
| 17:12.33 | penrod | greetings: I am required to port about 200 users to a new server. I noticed the shadow file is using pre md5 encryption and the new one sha... , may I copy that shadow file over , or should I upgrade the encryption ? |
| 17:12.53 | wisconsin | words is only 98326 lines |
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| 17:13.13 | wisconsin | and grep . /usr/share/dict/words | wc takes basically forever |
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| 17:13.56 | petemc | wisconsin: try LANG=c grep... |
| 17:14.34 | valdyn | wisconsin: this should probably not be more than 1 second |
| 17:14.35 | wisconsin | petemc: that's fast |
| 17:14.37 | maurer | Is there a way to get the boot sequence to still bring up my wifi device, but not try to dhcp on it? |
| 17:14.49 | maurer | err, that was misstated |
| 17:14.59 | maurer | Still bring up and try to dhcp, but not _block_ on it |
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| 17:15.13 | wisconsin | default LANG is en_AU.UTF-8 |
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| 17:18.38 | themill | wisconsin: grep's performance is very dependent on locale settings (for some regular expressions) |
| 17:18.46 | cockroach | penrod: i *THINK* you should be able to copy it over, but I would definitely test it first :) |
| 17:19.46 | somiaj | penrod: just make sure you tell your system what encryption shadow is using. afiak since you only have the encrypted version of teh passwords I don't see any nice way to to update the encryption without forcing each user to reset their password. |
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| 17:21.20 | penrod | argh, that is what I was afraid of, just thought , while grasping at straws there was some cool little utility to change the encryption to the current level, thanks kindly |
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| 17:21.57 | wisconsin | grep with LANG=C takes 0m0.024s |
| 17:22.07 | wisconsin | grep with LANG=en_AU.UTF-8 takes 1m44.437s |
| 17:22.13 | somiaj | penrod: if there was then there would be some cool utility to figure out what peoples passwords are. |
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| 17:22.45 | somiaj | penrod: what would be best is a way to use both, and then give your users like a month to change their password, or make them change it next login (even if they change it to the same thing) |
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| 17:23.49 | cockroach | penrod: ... or you could always brute-force the passwords |
| 17:23.58 | cockroach | might take a while though :) |
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| 17:24.04 | penrod | somiaj: yes, I just realized that, Wednesday's are not usually my best. thanks again, I will have to think the process over. The users don't log in,(except for email). Very few have shell access. |
| 17:24.34 | wisconsin | somiaj: a pam module to upgrade the digest on authentication would be cool |
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| 17:25.15 | cockroach | i think there IS a pam module to sniff the passwords. you could use that. |
| 17:25.29 | cockroach | s/sniff/dump/ |
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| 17:27.54 | wisconsin | why would grep take 4000 times longer with LANG=en_AU.UTF-8? |
| 17:28.03 | wisconsin | is my locales configuration hosed? |
| 17:28.17 | kevlarman | wisconsin: grep is highly optimized in the LANG=C case |
| 17:28.31 | Coornail | interesting |
| 17:28.37 | kevlarman | (when searching for a non-regex string) |
| 17:28.41 | valdyn | kevlarman: not by *that* much |
| 17:28.49 | themill | wisconsin: no, this is well known behaviour based on the way grep has to do a lot of run-time lookups for what regexs mean when using various locales |
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| 17:30.07 | somiaj | penrod: seems you can use multiple encryption methods, $1$foo in shadow means md5, $5$foo or $6$foo is sha, so yes you can set up your system so all new passwords are sha, as for the old md5 hased passwords, it is up to you how you require your users to eventally upgrade/change. |
| 17:30.18 | Coornail | I guess you take care about the filecache |
| 17:30.25 | Coornail | before testing |
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| 17:30.55 | themill | Coornail: that makes little difference in this case |
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| 17:31.41 | kevlarman | valdyn: with such a weird search string, i'm not particularly surprised |
| 17:31.43 | Coornail | I very much doubt that |
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| 17:32.06 | wisconsin | grep ^a is fast, grep ^[a-z] is slow |
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| 17:32.22 | penrod | somiaj: That's what I understand, I can continue to use the "old" encryption scheme, and it will work, however, I thought as I am upgrading a server that is over 10 years old, I would think everything through and get everything current. |
| 17:32.24 | themill | Coornail: try it yourself. We're talking about the difference between ms and almost a minute on a 1MB file. |
| 17:32.36 | themill | wisconsin: yes, [a-z] is locale dependent |
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| 17:33.02 | Coornail | still, to do real comparison, you have to drop the file cache |
| 17:33.07 | Coornail | but 1MB is really not that big |
| 17:33.15 | Coornail | I can ready a megabyte of data in a minute =) |
| 17:33.29 | wisconsin | is it slow for you too? |
| 17:33.41 | Coornail | -y |
| 17:33.45 | themill | Coornail: the difference is minimal -- you'll have hot cache for the slower test too if you do them in the order wisconsin is describing. |
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| 17:34.16 | somiaj | penrod: well unless your users are ussing ssl to access their mail, their passwords have bigger issues than using md5 encryption. (: |
| 17:34.25 | themill | wisconsin: as I said, this is all well known and well understood behaviour: http://paste.debian.net/160539/ |
| 17:34.50 | themill | (to the point where I have a little script kicking around to illustrate the effect...) |
| 17:34.58 | wisconsin | themill: ok thanks :-) |
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| 17:36.55 | valdyn | i cant reproduce this grep behaviour on one machine |
| 17:36.57 | wisconsin | oh, it's slow for utf-8 with any collation :-( |
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| 17:37.51 | valdyn | wisconsin: its fast even in utf-8 locales on certain machines |
| 17:38.06 | kevlarman | valdyn: certain machines? |
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| 17:38.18 | valdyn | kevlarman: i dont have alot of machines to test this |
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| 17:38.36 | valdyn | kevlarman: one is an atom board, where i can reproduce a huge slowdown |
| 17:38.36 | kevlarman | i just tested it on a pair of relatively new xeons |
| 17:38.46 | kevlarman | still slow |
| 17:38.53 | valdyn | kevlarman: the other is debian/amd64 on an old core 2 duo |
| 17:39.12 | valdyn | kevlarman: amd64: .2 vs 0.07 seconds |
| 17:39.19 | wisconsin | do any cpus have instructions for encoding/decoding utf-8? |
| 17:39.24 | kevlarman | valdyn: O_o |
| 17:39.36 | valdyn | kevlarman: that atom board is a smaller word list, but its minutes vs also 0.07 seconds |
| 17:40.07 | boston8372 | anyone know where mysql (client tool) is after a mysql 5.5 install ? |
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| 17:40.21 | themill | there seems to be a big difference between squeeze and wheezy/sid in performance for grep here. |
| 17:40.22 | valdyn | kevlarman: thats like a different behaviour by a 3 digit factor |
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| 17:40.59 | mah454 | I need like "HSPA USB Modem" for linux |
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| 17:41.06 | kevlarman | valdyn: it's still 50s on 64 bit osx |
| 17:41.10 | kevlarman | on a pair of xeons |
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| 17:41.22 | somiaj | boston8372: how did you install mysql 5.5, it isn't apart of debian yet (it is still in experimential)? |
| 17:41.31 | valdyn | ok, so 0.2 and 0.07 vs 264 and 0.07 seconds |
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| 17:41.51 | valdyn | that makes 4 digits |
| 17:42.28 | valdyn | kevlarman: i cant explain this |
| 17:42.36 | boston8372 | somiaj: downloaded the 177MB .deb file then followed the install instructions the read me |
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| 17:42.40 | themill | valdyn: different versions of grep? |
| 17:42.49 | boston8372 | the server is running i just cant find the client tool ! |
| 17:42.55 | valdyn | themill: yes |
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| 17:42.59 | somiaj | boston8372: downloaded the deb file from where? And which version of debian did you install it on? |
| 17:43.04 | themill | valdyn: I'd say that quite happily explains it :) |
| 17:43.22 | boston8372 | the debian specific download from the mysql site |
| 17:43.28 | valdyn | themill: its sid vs squeeze, so it could by something else too |
| 17:43.43 | boston8372 | mysql 5.5.21 ish debian 6.0.4 i think |
| 17:43.59 | valdyn | themill: unless of course you already knew that grep was "fixed" at some point |
| 17:44.01 | somiaj | boston8372: well you can do dpkg -L <package name> to see what it installed, but debian doesn't support their packages, you should ask them about their packages |
| 17:44.08 | somiaj | boston8372: debian squeeze uses 5.0 |
| 17:44.12 | somiaj | ,versions mysql-client |
| 17:44.13 | judd | Package: mysql-client on i386 -- lenny: 5.0.51a-24+lenny5; lenny-security: 5.0.51a-24+lenny5; lenny-backports: 5.1.49-3~bpo50+1; squeeze: 5.1.49-3; squeeze-security: 5.1.61-0+squeeze1; sid: 5.1.61-2; wheezy: 5.1.61-2; experimental: 5.5.17-4 |
| 17:44.15 | themill | valdyn: It could also be changes in the locale definitions too; last time I looked, I thought I found something about grep and locales improving at some stage |
| 17:44.28 | valdyn | themill: I see |
| 17:44.29 | somiaj | boston8372: oh sorry, 5.1.49 is the version in squeeze. |
| 17:44.39 | boston8372 | yeah that is ancient |
| 17:44.58 | Posterdati | please I need help on wheezy, there's no more eagle packages only eagle-data! |
| 17:45.04 | mah454 | You have not any idea ? |
| 17:45.07 | boston8372 | there is a 5.5 client lurking out there somewhere |
| 17:45.19 | somiaj | boston8372: but if you are installing packages outside of debian, that isn't supported by #debian. There is a chance they don't follow debian packaging standards and put thigns in different places. |
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| 17:46.22 | boston8372 | found it sorry |
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| 17:46.44 | boston8372 | silly me, forgot to run ./mysql i had typed mysql |
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| 17:47.56 | themill | valdyn: e.g. http://savannah.gnu.org/forum/forum.php?forum_id=6521 (there are other changes across coreutils and friends from about the same time; this is between the versions in squeeze and wheezy) |
| 17:48.16 | somiaj | sounds like you didn't install the package into standard places, you can put non debian things in /usr/local (or /opt) and then add the binaries to $PATH or link them to /usr/local/bin. |
| 17:48.59 | boston8372 | i followed the directions, it is in /opt with link from usr/local/mysql |
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| 17:49.46 | somiaj | well /usr/local/bin is in $PATH so if you link your binaries there you can run them directly, or you can modify $PATH to include the location of your bins so you don't to give the full path |
| 17:50.11 | boston8372 | just because 5.1 is in squeeze doesn't mean you should avoid 5.5 if it has been our 1 to 2 years |
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| 17:51.30 | themill | boston8372: the benefits of debian include it being a set of packages that have been tested as a whole rather than a collection of whatever the upstream happens to release that week. You're walking away from that benefit and hoping that we're going to do a lot of work to help you make even more work for us and you. |
| 17:51.32 | somiaj | boston8372: unless there is a very specilized reason I need 5.5 I will run the version in squeeze as then I get all of debians security support, stability and integration. |
| 17:52.27 | boston8372 | i must be missing something. who is debian support ? |
| 17:52.44 | valdyn | boston8372: why are you here? |
| 17:53.17 | somiaj | a collection of matianers around the world, and security.debian.org does a great job at backporting any known exploit fixes to the versions inside of debian. so you have the secuirty of modern products with the stability of a fixed version. |
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| 17:56.27 | arakno | wisconsin: what you mean by beware of grep? |
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| 17:57.06 | wisconsin | arakno: long story |
| 17:57.32 | wisconsin | boston8372: debian has recent packages for postgresql :-p |
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| 17:57.57 | Innocentus | hi |
| 17:58.09 | Innocentus | I want to find the imagemagick binar(ies) |
| 17:58.11 | themill | arakno: grep's output and performance is very locale dependent. The former is to be expected while the latter is disappointing (and has been recently improved greatly) |
| 17:58.13 | Innocentus | how can I find them on debian? |
| 17:58.29 | somiaj | Innocentus: apt-cache search imagemagick |
| 17:58.36 | somiaj | Innocentus: there is a package that contains them all. |
| 17:58.41 | somiaj | !tell Innocentus -about search |
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| 17:59.33 | Innocentus | I want to call the imagemagick binary in command line directly |
| 18:00.36 | themill | Innocentus: what's stopping you? |
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| 18:01.06 | Innocentus | themill: I can't find the binary |
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| 18:01.17 | Innocentus | themill: using apt-cache search imagemagick will lead to a list of packages |
| 18:01.25 | themill | Innocentus: why do you need to "find the binary"? |
| 18:01.27 | Innocentus | themill: but the path to binary is not listed there |
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| 18:01.35 | Innocentus | themill: I want to call imagemagick directly in command line |
| 18:01.43 | Innocentus | themill: to do some image processing |
| 18:01.47 | somiaj | Innocentus: if the package is installed dpkg -L pkgname (or read that factoid I sent you, it also tells you how to search for files) |
| 18:01.48 | themill | Innocentus: specifically what command do you want to call? convert? mogrify? |
| 18:02.03 | Innocentus | themill: pseudoImage |
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| 18:02.39 | themill | that's not an imagemagick command |
| 18:02.44 | valdyn | Innocentus: "dpkg -L imagemagick | grep bin", theres nothing else. |
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| 18:03.12 | Innocentus | themill: what command has to be used? - http://www.imagemagick.org/script/formats.php#pseudo |
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| 18:04.27 | themill | Innocentus: all of the command line utilities accept those format strings as input "filenames" |
| 18:04.30 | Innocentus | themill: ah, I just found it out |
| 18:04.43 | Innocentus | themill: ok, how can I install the newest imagemagick version on a debian lenny? |
| 18:04.51 | Innocentus | themill: do I have to compile it by myself (ugh)? |
| 18:04.57 | themill | dpkg: tell Innocentus about lenny->squeeze |
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| 18:05.51 | Innocentus | themill: currently I am not able to move to squeeze because of the kernel (a long story) |
| 18:06.05 | themill | fixing that would be a better move then |
| 18:06.06 | Innocentus | themill: so I have to compile imagemagick by myself, right? |
| 18:06.15 | themill | that's not going to end well |
| 18:06.24 | Innocentus | themill: I know, but this is possible in two weeks or more |
| 18:06.34 | Innocentus | themill: now I need a quick fix |
| 18:06.52 | Innocentus | themill: can I also download the binaries from somewhere and replace the old one with them? |
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| 18:08.12 | themill | you'd break every package installed that relies on imagemagick libraries |
| 18:08.41 | Innocentus | themill: sorry, my connection |
| 18:08.56 | somiaj | ,versions imagemagick |
| 18:08.57 | judd | Package: imagemagick on i386 -- lenny-security: 7:6.3.7.9.dfsg2-1~lenny3; lenny: 7:6.3.7.9.dfsg2-1~lenny4; squeeze: 8:6.6.0.4-3; squeeze-proposed-updates: 8:6.6.0.4-3+squeeze1; squeeze-security: 8:6.6.0.4-3+squeeze1; sid: 8:6.6.9.7-6; wheezy: 8:6.6.9.7-6; experimental: 8:6.7.4.0-2 |
| 18:09.13 | somiaj | Innocentus: you should think about upgrading to squeeze |
| 18:09.31 | Innocentus | themill: oh damn |
| 18:09.33 | Innocentus | themill: can I only use the new binary for the imagick-php extension? |
| 18:09.37 | Innocentus | yes, this is planned and I am really eager to be moved on it |
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| 18:09.52 | Innocentus | can I somehow change the supported formats? |
| 18:09.57 | somiaj | Innocentus: lenny is no longer supported (no security updates). but if you can't you will have to compile it yourself, you can make a backport from the squeeze sources similar to /msg dpkg ssbp (just make sure you backport from squeeze not sid) |
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| 18:10.18 | themill | php, imagemagic, unsupported release... are you going for the most WTFs per problem now? |
| 18:10.21 | Innocentus | imagemagick on my dev system (squeeze, yes) got a format which imagemagick on the production server (lenny, hopefully not any longer soon) doesn't have |
| 18:10.47 | rosario | can someone confirm connection issues with 141.76.2.4 (ftp.de.debian.org)? |
| 18:10.47 | Innocentus | can the formats of imagemagick be enabled or disabled somewhere? |
| 18:10.53 | Innocentus | is there a format.config for imagemagick? |
| 18:12.18 | wisconsin | rosario: "Short (minutes) outage due to network equipment updates." |
| 18:12.33 | rosario | wisconsin: thanks |
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| 18:15.32 | Innocentus | themill: can imagemagick be somehow configured? where come the supported formats from? |
| 18:16.29 | themill | Doubt it... that would be internal to its libraries. |
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| 18:20.07 | Innocentus | themill: I need the pseoduformat radial-gradient |
| 18:20.12 | Innocentus | themill: but only gradient is available |
| 18:20.32 | Innocentus | themill: where are those pseudoformats located? |
| 18:20.48 | sp4rc | is there a way I can use 'apt-cache search foo' to also show me from repository this pkg comes from? |
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| 18:21.09 | sp4rc | couldn't find anything in the manpages besides --full |
| 18:21.21 | somiaj | sp4rc: apt-cache policy <pkgname> |
| 18:21.29 | somiaj | sp4rc: once you find the package of course |
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| 18:22.27 | sp4rc | somiaj: hm okay, but for example i have added the virtualbox sources if i now do a 'apt-cache search virtualbox' many packages show up, but i can't differ from which repo they are coming |
| 18:22.52 | somiaj | sp4rc: use aptitude search if you want to search a more powerful search tool |
| 18:23.27 | somiaj | sp4rc: but still you can have a package with the same name comming from two different repos, so apt-cache policy pkgname is useful to see what versions you can get |
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| 18:23.42 | somiaj | sp4rc: http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/projects/aptitude/doc/en/ch02s03s05.html |
| 18:24.07 | nsadmin | Innocentus, have you looked into svg format and inkscape |
| 18:24.45 | somiaj | sp4rc: seems you want the origin of the package, so aptitude search ~Oorigin foo |
| 18:24.55 | somiaj | sp4rc: where origin is the name of the repo you got them from. |
| 18:25.11 | Innocentus | nsadmin: can the same quality be archieved as with radial-gradient? |
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| 18:26.15 | nsadmin | Innocentus, dunno. that's part of why I asked if you looked into it, the other part was to encourage you to look into it |
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| 18:26.40 | Innocentus | nsadmin: you mean to find an alternative way to create a radial gradient, yes |
| 18:27.04 | sp4rc | somiaj: thx for your answer, unfortunately that does not work for me |
| 18:27.31 | Innocentus | now some crazy thing: What verson got the imagemagick in debian lenny _testing_ repository? |
| 18:27.41 | sp4rc | somiaj: are you refereing to the parameter '-o'? |
| 18:27.51 | nsadmin | lenny is no longer supported |
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| 18:28.05 | nsadmin | lenny is not testing |
| 18:28.09 | somiaj | sp4rc: no look at that link I gave you. Figure it out. |
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| 18:28.25 | sp4rc | somiaj: ok perfect thanks |
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| 18:28.45 | Innocentus | damn |
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| 18:31.26 | KBentley57 | hey guys, can anyone point me to some thorough distcc documentation? I've been trying to set it up all morning, with no luck |
| 18:31.41 | sp4rc | can someone tell me how I can prefent the google mail webgui to fall back into html mode using iceweasel on stable? |
| 18:32.07 | boudiccas | sp4rc; prefent? |
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| 18:32.27 | Innocentus | ey, I just aptitude remove'd imagemagick, but php is still able to use it - why? |
| 18:32.36 | sp4rc | boudiccas: use your imagination: prefent = prevent |
| 18:32.44 | somiaj | sp4rc: seems like it is doing that because your version of iceweasel is either to old or not being detected. You can try to mask your browser identification header, but that is more a question for google support. |
| 18:33.03 | somiaj | sp4rc: if you need a newer version of iceweasle try mozilla.debian.net |
| 18:33.18 | sp4rc | somiaj: thanks again, very apprciated |
| 18:33.33 | sp4rc | somiaj: i am just switching over from fedora to debian |
| 18:34.13 | nsadmin | if your /home is a separate partition, you don't have to format it |
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| 18:39.46 | nsadmin | , versions postgresql |
| 18:39.47 | judd | Package: postgresql on i386 -- lenny-security: 8.3.16-0lenny1; lenny: 8.3.17-0lenny1; lenny-backports: 8.4.9-0squeeze1~bpo50+1; lenny-backports: 8.4.10-0squeeze1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 8.4.10-0squeeze1; squeeze-proposed-updates: 8.4.11-0squeeze1; squeeze-security: 8.4.11-0squeeze1; lenny-backports-sloppy: 9.1+124~bpo50+1; sid: 9.1+129; wheezy: 9.1+129 |
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| 18:53.46 | pielgrzym | is there any alternative to SEC (Simple Event Correlator)? I need something to alert of some stuff but not as expensive as splunk |
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| 19:13.17 | rafaelstanley_ | i need help for error: PHP Warning: PDO::__construct(): [2002] No buffer space available (trying to connect via tcp://mysql:3306) |
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| 19:14.17 | nsadmin | , versions tcl8.5 |
| 19:14.18 | judd | Package: tcl8.5 on i386 -- lenny: 8.5.3-2; squeeze: 8.5.8-2; sid: 8.5.11-1; wheezy: 8.5.11-1 |
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| 19:15.11 | Woet | "last root" resolves the IP, how do I turn it off? |
| 19:15.21 | nsadmin | it? |
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| 19:15.43 | nsadmin | turn off last? turn off its resolving? |
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| 19:15.59 | Woet | yes, like "iftop -n" or "lsof -n" |
| 19:16.08 | Woet | that turns off resolving the IP address |
| 19:16.17 | nsadmin | so you want something like -n option for last |
| 19:16.28 | Woet | yes |
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| 19:17.42 | Posterdati | please I need help on wheezy, there's no more eagle packages only eagle-data! |
| 19:17.49 | nsadmin | which actually means something else -- well -n takes a numeric option |
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| 19:19.54 | rafaelstanley | hey guys, i need help with this error: PHP Warning: PDO::__construct(): [2002] No buffer space available (trying to connect via tcp://mysql:3306) - someone? |
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| 19:20.45 | nsadmin | I do web dev, but I never use php |
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| 19:21.10 | Innocentus | ok, there is a nice instruction for installing the most current version of imagemagick on debian lenny: http://serverfault.com/questions/154598/how-do-i-install-imagemagick-6-5-6-on-debian-lenny?answertab=votes#tab-top |
| 19:21.42 | Innocentus | but is this safe? won't this install squeeze on the system? |
| 19:21.43 | Woet | rafaelstanley: why are you asking #debian? |
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| 19:22.04 | rafaelstanley | i use debian |
| 19:22.11 | Woet | so? |
| 19:22.27 | Woet | your server runs debian so a PHP question should be asked in the debian channel? |
| 19:22.46 | nsadmin | Innocentus, what version of debian are you running? |
| 19:23.24 | Innocentus | nsadmin: debian lenny, and under no circumstances debian squeeze should be installed because of incompatible kernel |
| 19:23.25 | rafaelstanley | Woet: sorry |
| 19:23.41 | Innocentus | nsadmin: it is a xen-vm kernel which cannot be changed (vserver) |
| 19:25.28 | Innocentus | nsadmin: the question is if the instructions will lead to an installation of debian squeeze |
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| 19:26.41 | GNU\colossus | how can I query apt-get's reason for having a package "kept back"? |
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| 19:27.50 | valdyn | GNU\colossus: you can run "apt-get install <pakagename>" to see what installing it implies |
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| 19:29.27 | Innocentus | themill: are you online? |
| 19:29.27 | GNU\colossus | I see. apparently, the mplayer2 package from backports has some dependencies that are in direct conflict with libavformat53's. |
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| 19:33.13 | tremon | GNU\colossus: dmm enabled? |
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| 19:33.27 | GNU\colossus | tremon, what is dmm? debian multimedia? |
| 19:33.34 | GNU\colossus | I don't have that repo enabled, no |
| 19:33.34 | tremon | yes... |
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| 19:33.45 | tremon | just checkin'... |
| 19:33.54 | tremon | ,versions mplayer2 |
| 19:33.55 | judd | Package: mplayer2 on i386 -- squeeze-backports: 2.0-134-g84d8671-9~bpo60+1; sid: 2.0-426-gc32b3ed-2; wheezy: 2.0-426-gc32b3ed-2; wheezy-multimedia: 1:2.0~git20120128-0.0; sid-multimedia: 1:2.0~git20120313-0.1 |
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| 19:46.11 | scwizard | I downloaded and burned this: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/wheezy_d-i/arch-latest/amd64/iso-cd/debian-testing-amd64-netinst.iso |
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| 19:46.21 | scwizard | when I try and install it I get "No kernel modules were found" |
| 19:46.39 | valdyn | scwizard: so dont use a daily build |
| 19:46.49 | scwizard | valdyn, how do I go about installing wheezy then? |
| 19:47.03 | valdyn | scwizard: you dont install wheezy, you "upgrade" squeeze to wheezy |
| 19:47.16 | val__ | I have printer connected to my computer through USB. When I check the printer's properties, I get message Error: option printer-resolution has value unknown IPP tag and cannot be edited. I am trying to share the printer through SAMBA with other computers, but it only shows up in localhost and not in other computers in the network. Any ideas on what I could do? |
| 19:47.17 | jhutchins_wk | scwizard: The testing installer exists for the purpose of testing the installer, not for installing testing. |
| 19:47.28 | scwizard | jhutchins: ok I see |
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| 19:48.21 | scwizard | after I've installed squeeze, how do I "upgrade" to wheezy? |
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| 19:48.39 | valdyn | dpkg: squeeze->wheezy |
| 19:48.39 | dpkg | First, understand that testing is a pre-release distribution without timely security support and that you will have a bumpy ride; ask me about <moving target> <testing> <testing security>. From /etc/apt/sources.list, remove stable-specific lines like squeeze-updates and backports, and change squeeze to wheezy. apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade. If you feel you need more instructions, perhaps you should wait a while. |
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| 19:49.43 | scwizard | that's what I guessed, but wanted to double check there wasn't any more to it than that |
| 19:50.05 | nsadmin | wheezy is not considered an upgrade... |
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| 19:50.32 | nsadmin | I notice you quoted "upgrade" so I'm pretty sure you understand that |
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| 19:51.10 | scwizard | I know what wheezy is |
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| 19:51.30 | scwizard | anyhows I'm thinking I'll try using a rolling release distro on the desktop |
| 19:51.38 | scwizard | and wheezy is sorta like that |
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| 19:51.56 | tremon | scwizard: only for a few more months... |
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| 19:52.24 | ix | What's the difference between choosing, say, "linux-image-amd64" and "linux-image-3.2.0-2-amd64" in the installer? |
| 19:52.40 | valdyn | ix: ask again after you read both packages description |
| 19:54.36 | tremon | the description l-i kernel description is about as helpful as your answer for someone unfamiliar with Debian (as tends to happen when using the installer) |
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| 19:54.46 | tremon | s/description// |
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| 19:54.56 | nsadmin | ix, for one thing, specificity... the squeeze kernel is 2.6.32-5 (probably with lots of patches as debian devs fix problems in the kernel) |
| 19:55.02 | valdyn | tremon: can you irc from the installer? |
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| 19:55.29 | nsadmin | so installing the less specific one will probably get you that kernel if you're running squeeze |
| 19:55.36 | tremon | valdyn: nope, but you can irc from a different distribution or (gasp) a different os |
| 19:55.37 | ix | I'm installing testing, by the way. |
| 19:55.53 | valdyn | tremon: so he can read the description |
| 19:56.04 | nsadmin | testing's default is probably 3.2.something |
| 19:56.23 | tremon | valdyn: yes, which says "This package depends on the latest Linux kernel and modules for use on PCs with AMD64 or Intel 64 processors" |
| 19:56.37 | yann_ | Hello! I am trying to publish a debian package to a local repository. I am trying to generate a changes file for a binary package - how would that work? NB: the package is elasticsearch, and the deb is a build target for maven - no idea how to get it to generate a source package and a changes file though :( |
| 19:56.39 | valdyn | tremon: thats pretty good |
| 19:56.46 | scwizard | so that means when wheezy is stable, it will be 3.2 etc? |
| 19:56.47 | tremon | valdyn: that's not helpful when you don't realize that "depends" means "follows" |
| 19:57.21 | ix | I always assumed that appending the version number would pin me down to that kernel version, fwiw. |
| 19:57.29 | Innocentus | yea |
| 19:57.33 | tremon | ix: which is correct |
| 19:57.40 | Innocentus | I just compiled the most recent imagemagick by myself - yea |
| 19:57.44 | Innocentus | now I can use it |
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| 19:57.46 | Innocentus | hurra |
| 19:58.22 | ix | tremon: thanks :-) |
| 19:58.53 | tremon | ix: more specifically, you might still get security updates but as soon as the kernel abi changes (which does not happen often, but it does) your specific kernel will be dropped from the archive |
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| 19:59.44 | ix | Aah, wonderful. I guess that was what I actually was supposed to ask about. |
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| 20:00.46 | ix | In any case, I always went with my gut feeling and took the unspecified one. Nice to be able to confirm one's assumptions. |
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| 20:02.31 | ix | Also, I'm not sure if there is a way to view package descriptions from the busybox shell? |
| 20:02.42 | valdyn | ix: the thing is, the unspecified one is only better till it breaks something |
| 20:03.02 | valdyn | ix: which may be very rare, but its your cost / downtime / whatever |
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| 20:03.32 | valdyn | ix: nah, you can use your webbrowser to see descriptions |
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| 20:04.01 | scwizard | during the installation. The "standard system utilities" tickybox. Is there a meta-package for that? |
| 20:04.14 | scwizard | like apt-get install standard-system-utilities |
| 20:04.17 | scwizard | or something |
| 20:04.25 | valdyn | scwizard: you can run tasksel later too |
| 20:04.53 | scwizard | oh cool |
| 20:05.18 | themill | !standard task |
| 20:05.18 | dpkg | somebody said standard task was a "task" that should be installed on all machines during the installer stage. It installs packages that are important, required and standard (i.e. "aptitude install ~pstandard ~prequired ~pimportant"). For a list of packages, see http://wiki.debian.org/tasksel . Also ask me about <tasksel>. Packages in the <essential> set are always installed. |
| 20:05.36 | ix | valdyn: Obviously. Thanks for all you help, anyway. |
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| 20:05.52 | scwizard | so I won't select anything, then I'll change to wheezy, then I'll run tasksel |
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| 20:06.11 | valdyn | scwizard: yea, that should be ok |
| 20:06.43 | nsadmin | scwizard, probably that's the most efficient |
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| 20:12.04 | scwizard | failed to fetch ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/wheezy-update/main/source/Sources.gz |
| 20:12.31 | scwizard | oh nm |
| 20:12.34 | scwizard | I know what htis is about |
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| 20:14.04 | weox | hello guy's , i want download this :debian-live-6.0.3-i386-standard.iso , but i dont know which is in it ??(Gnome , KDE , Xfce )or something else ?? |
| 20:14.27 | themill | most (but not all) of gnome |
| 20:14.33 | abrotman | thinks someone wants an apostrophesmite |
| 20:14.45 | themill | oh... live-standard... perhaps not |
| 20:14.52 | ix | weox: the standard one is text only |
| 20:15.23 | weox | themil, :D oh god, in a topic in net , somebody tell standard has gnome 2.30 !! |
| 20:15.42 | themill | weox: as ix said, that image is text only |
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| 20:16.02 | ix | weox: the one with gnome ends with -gnome-desktop.iso :-) |
| 20:16.06 | weox | tx guy's ,,, i should gnome3 version !! |
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| 20:22.48 | scwizard | oh so wheezy is using godo old 2.6.32 |
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| 20:25.11 | Lint | is there an app in debian like cakewalk which can add text to midi files? |
| 20:25.14 | scwizard | tasksel has an option in wheezy called "manual package selection" what does that mean? |
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| 20:25.38 | scwizard | I don't think "manual package selection" is a predefined collection of software |
| 20:27.06 | scwizard | well the first letter of that option isn't capitalized, so I'm going to assume it's some feature that hasn't been tested very throughly and not check it |
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| 20:34.43 | maurer | Hey, doe sanyone know how to tell aptitude I want an app which was previously pulled in as a dependency to be kept? |
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| 20:34.46 | maurer | *does |
| 20:34.54 | maurer | I want to remove epiphany, which forces gnome to be removed |
| 20:35.03 | maurer | However, I want to keep gdm3 |
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| 20:35.28 | maurer | I can't seem to figure out how to inform aptitude that gdm3 should be considered its own root |
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| 20:36.52 | kevlarman | maurer: aptitude unmarkauto gdm3 |
| 20:37.06 | maurer | kevlarman: Thanks much! |
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| 20:47.10 | jhutchins_wk | maurer: remove everything, install gdm3? Reinstall gdm3 to mark it as manually installed? |
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| 20:47.37 | jhutchins_wk | or what kevlarman said. Laage between keyboard and chair. |
| 20:47.43 | jhutchins_wk | lag even. |
| 20:48.18 | nsadmin | laaage laaag? |
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| 20:54.15 | scwizard | ;_; my building's power cut off while tasksel was installing the desktop enviroment |
| 20:54.20 | scwizard | this is gonna suck |
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| 20:54.51 | thinkerbell | there is a big difference b/ chrome ad chromium. chrome rus way more heavier, its got some malware built in |
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| 20:55.17 | thinkerbell | but chromium doesn't have libpdf built in |
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| 20:58.41 | scwizard | how can I go about recovering from this? |
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| 20:58.56 | scwizard | if I try and do it through tasksel I just get "aptitude failed (255)" |
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| 20:59.35 | tremon | scwizard: try aptitude -f install (or install -f, tend to forget which is which) |
| 20:59.35 | thinkerbell | start over? |
| 20:59.54 | scwizard | I jsut did dpkg reconfigure everything |
| 20:59.55 | scwizard | I think |
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| 21:00.13 | tremon | scwizard: you mean dpkg --configure -a |
| 21:00.18 | scwizard | yeah |
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| 21:03.30 | scwizard | maybe it's recovered, that actually wasn't so bad |
| 21:04.13 | tremon | aptitude and dpkg are quite resilient when used on a reliable fs :) |
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| 21:07.27 | ruif13 | hia, i 've installed the netbeans and mysql-client and reboot and doesn't show at menus |
| 21:07.30 | ruif13 | anyone helps |
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| 21:11.43 | afidegnum | hello, anyone used DTC from gplhost before> |
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| 21:11.50 | Pierri_Magazine | pessoal, podem tirar uma duvida..... preciso instalar/configurar um servidor dedicado de bando de dados(postgresql).... |
| 21:12.36 | Pierri_Magazine | gostaria de saber se vcs aconselham utitlizar HD SCSI ou pode ser sata mesmo....... |
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| 21:15.27 | ruif13 | Pierri_Magazine aqui é só em ingles :) |
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| 21:16.13 | need_card | download machine gun preacher 2011 dvdrip http link resumable http://bee4.biz/v/UKIoC if u want any movies link just tell me |
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| 21:16.48 | ikonia | !ops | need_card spmming troll |
| 21:16.48 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: ikonia complains about: | need_card spmming troll |
| 21:16.48 | Rydekull | !ops need_card spam |
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| 21:16.55 | ikonia | just been removed from other channels |
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| 21:18.06 | Rydekull | Hrm, guess ill ask here too, seeing as there are more people here then on OFTC |
| 21:18.09 | Rydekull | I want to contact someone that knows about debian domain names, either from the debian project itself or from spi-inc? Preferably someone on IRC, but yeah. Its about trying to get "debian.se" from the current owner to serve the debian project rather |
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| 21:18.29 | davidgul | hi |
| 21:18.52 | RichiH | just for the record, the timing of dondelelcaro's /remove almost made me kline neersighted|AFK |
| 21:19.00 | RichiH | tsks at dondelelcaro |
| 21:19.07 | Rydekull | haha |
| 21:19.16 | Rydekull | RichiH: that'd be a little bit funny :-P |
| 21:19.26 | davidgul | what kind of softwore for remote desktop you recomand for me |
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| 21:19.45 | Rydekull | RichiH: I guess neersighted|AFK is happy that you arent too fast on your enter key |
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| 21:20.20 | RichiH | Rydekull: i don't think it would've been funny; thankfully, i re-read all kline commands before hitting enter ;) |
| 21:21.03 | Owner | Rydekull: his name is daniel6009 |
| 21:21.09 | davidgul | some one ? |
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| 21:21.53 | ompaul | davidgul: that depends on what you are remoting to and from |
| 21:22.07 | tremon | davidgul: spice is the fad of the day |
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| 21:22.47 | ruif13 | anyone can help? |
| 21:23.07 | ruif13 | some applications doesn't show at menu |
| 21:23.08 | ruif13 | :S |
| 21:23.16 | ruif13 | like netbeans and mysql-client |
| 21:23.18 | ruif13 | anyone can help? |
| 21:23.26 | davidgul | I wont to remot the guy of my machine some think like RDP or NX ? |
| 21:23.54 | Rydekull | Owner: aye, we know, I know who he is |
| 21:24.15 | davidgul | I used NX but i cant set up the ports |
| 21:24.46 | Innocentus | themill: hi |
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| 21:25.00 | Innocentus | themill: I was able to install the newest version of imagemagick |
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| 21:25.15 | Innocentus | themill: on debian 5 |
| 21:25.15 | scwizard | ok I think I installed the desktop enviroment |
| 21:25.22 | scwizard | but whne I rebooted my computer it didn't boot into gnome or anything |
| 21:25.23 | Innocentus | themill: hurra, thank you |
| 21:25.44 | tremon | scwizard: did you install a display manager? |
| 21:26.03 | scwizard | tremon, I did tasksel |
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| 21:26.10 | scwizard | and picked "debian desktop enviroment" |
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| 21:27.11 | jhutchins_wk | scwizard: dpkg -l | grep dm - is gdm, xdm, or kdm installed? |
| 21:27.35 | scwizard | nope O_o |
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| 21:27.51 | scwizard | that's wierd, I would think that tasksel would install one of those |
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| 21:28.10 | tremon | scwizard: aptitude install gdm3 then, unless you have a strong preference for something else |
| 21:28.21 | davidgul | ompaul : i wont somthink like RDP in windows because i try VNC and its dosent work so well |
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| 21:29.01 | scwizard | tremon, when I did dpkg -l | grep gnome |
| 21:29.08 | scwizard | one of the items installd is pythone-gnome2 |
| 21:29.18 | scwizard | so maybe I should install gdm2 instead? |
| 21:29.23 | ompaul | davidgul: you could use openvpn and then use NX inside that |
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| 21:29.43 | tremon | ,versions gdm3 |
| 21:29.44 | judd | Package: gdm3 on i386 -- squeeze-security: 2.30.5-6squeeze2; squeeze: 2.30.5-6squeeze4; sid: 3.0.4-4; wheezy: 3.0.4-4 |
| 21:29.45 | scwizard | I also ahve like libgnome2-common |
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| 21:30.24 | scwizard | does gdm 3.0.4-4 depend on libgnome2-common |
| 21:30.28 | scwizard | or on libgnome3-common? |
| 21:30.44 | scwizard | oh there isn't a gdm 2 |
| 21:30.47 | tremon | ,depends gdm3 --release wheezy |
| 21:30.49 | judd | Package gdm3 in wheezy/i386 -- depends: libaccountsservice0 (>= 0.6.8), libatk1.0-0 (>= 1.12.4), libattr1 (>= 2.4.46-3), libaudit0 (>= 1.7.13), libc6 (>= 2.4), libcairo-gobject2 (>= 1.10.0), libcairo2 (>= 1.10.0), libcanberra-gtk3-0 (>= 0.25), libcanberra0 (>= 0.2), libdbus-1-3 (>= 1.0.2), libdbus-glib-1-2 (>= 0.88), libfontconfig1 (>= 2.8.0), libfreetype6 (>= 2.2.1), libgconf2-4 (>= 2.31.1), libgdk- |
| 21:30.50 | judd | pixbuf2.0-0 (>= 2.22.0), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.28.0), libgtk-3-0 (>= 3.0.0), libpam0g (>= 0.99.7.1), libpango1.0-0 (>= 1.14.0), libselinux1 (>= 1.32), libupower-glib1 (>= 0.9.0), libwrap0 (>= 7.6-4~), libx11-6, libxau6, libxdmcp6, libxklavier16 (>= 5.1), libxrandr2 (>= 2:1.2.99.3), debconf (>= 0.5) | debconf-2.0, gconf2 (>= 2.28.1-2), adduser, libpam-modules (>= 0.72-1), libpam-runtime (>= 0.76-13.1), (1 more message) |
| 21:30.56 | tremon | scwizard: ;) |
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| 21:31.27 | scwizard | wierd how tasksel installed all the gnome stuff except gdm3 |
| 21:31.28 | davidgul | ompaul : can you help me to set it up ? |
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| 21:31.45 | tremon | scwizard: there is no gdm2, although there is a gdm. But gdm hasn't been updated since gnome 2.20 |
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| 21:32.13 | scwizard | I don't think wheezy has a gdm |
| 21:32.16 | scwizard | just gdm3 |
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| 21:32.32 | ompaul | davidgul: I'll give you some advice about setting it up, but due to the amount of steps you will need to make sure you do them yourself and that you can control one end of the conversation with a static ip or dydns or such like |
| 21:32.37 | tremon | scwizard: protip: aptitude why libgnome2-common |
| 21:32.42 | ompaul | davidgul: ok? |
| 21:32.44 | scwizard | ooo neat thx |
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| 21:33.45 | jhutchins_wk | scwizard: It's possible to run gnome packages remotely without a local display. You probably need to install xorg. |
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| 21:34.22 | scwizard | jhutchins_wk, if tasksel didn't isntall xorg when I told it to install debian desktop enviroment |
| 21:34.24 | scwizard | I'll be kinda shocked |
| 21:34.31 | scwizard | also gdm would have installed it as a dependency if I didn't already have it |
| 21:34.47 | davidgul | ompaul : ok but i dont understand what i need to do ineed to set up privat vpn and then run nx inside it . how can o do it ?? |
| 21:35.45 | tremon | scwizard: well, according to http://wiki.debian.org/Gnome#task you should also have gotten gdm3 installed as part of the task... |
| 21:36.15 | bunny69 | <-- loving nginx :) |
| 21:36.15 | ompaul | davidgul: it's not hard, just long, install openvpn server on the server side, use the FAQ on their site to guide you though the steps, it's long but worth it. Then apply static ip/ dydns to the server end, open firewall on the appropriate port. Then set up client, point them to the internal ip of the box that openvpn is on. Install NX-server and client on the correct boxes, then run NX on the client pointing to the ip of the server. Happy days. |
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| 21:36.32 | scwizard | tremon, alright I'll look at that wiki, see if there's anything else that didn't get instaleld |
| 21:36.36 | scwizard | actually |
| 21:36.41 | ompaul | davidgul: nx is not known for great security so I don't trust it unless it is wrapped up in openvpn |
| 21:36.44 | scwizard | no I won't do that, gdm is just flat out not working |
| 21:36.56 | scwizard | so I'll probably jsut redo everything from scratch |
| 21:37.04 | scwizard | oh wait it is working |
| 21:37.18 | scwizard | its just that the only interface is this bar at the top which is garbled because graphics problems |
| 21:37.34 | bunny69 | themill may i kindly pm you for a sec? i wish to apologise in private |
| 21:38.18 | davidgul | ompaul : I used NOMACHINE and the problem is that i can set up the port ther what the other nx server you recomand for me |
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| 21:38.34 | TeamRocket1233c | Hi! |
| 21:38.42 | ompaul | davidgul: that sentence does not parse. I can't understand it. |
| 21:39.02 | cheako | Hello, I'm looking for a volunteer interested in writing copyright files for Debian packages. Almost no skill is required, but the task is meticulous and requires great care and precession. The work can be self gratifying and it would enable you to contribute to Debian in a meaningful capacity. |
| 21:39.09 | ompaul | davidgul: if you have used nomachine that is nx |
| 21:39.15 | ompaul | and no other client just their own |
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| 21:39.21 | ompaul | (it breaks now and again |
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| 21:39.54 | scwizard | is there a nicer way to stop gnome than /etc/init.d/gdm3 stop? |
| 21:40.14 | Turl | scwizard: log out? |
| 21:40.17 | ompaul | service gdm3 stop |
| 21:40.35 | scwizard | Turl, kk |
| 21:40.44 | jhutchins_wk | scwizard: It's probably not a matter of gdm not working but of your video not being configured correctly. |
| 21:40.51 | cheako | scwizard: There is a session command for that :) |
| 21:41.00 | jhutchins_wk | scwizard: Why do you think gdm is not working? |
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| 21:41.29 | scwizard | it is working |
| 21:41.31 | ola | xpra may work well for you. It is in both testing and unstable. |
| 21:41.40 | scwizard | it's just gnome 3 which threw me for a loop |
| 21:41.44 | cheako | scwizard: gnome-session-save [--logout|--force-logout] |
| 21:42.01 | davidgul | ompaul : When i try to cahnge the ports from 22 to 1020 , and try to connect to the server the nx clinet give me an error . so i asking what nx server softawer do you recomand |
| 21:42.18 | ompaul | davidgul: why 1020? |
| 21:42.35 | ompaul | the client should just work in the default mode |
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| 21:43.06 | ompaul | davidgul: btw nomachine is not supported by debian so it is offtopic for here, however if you pay them they will give you support - default setup just works |
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| 21:45.03 | davidgul | ompaul : so you say that nomachine dont work in debian just the defults settings , so what softwar shuld i use ? |
| 21:45.36 | ompaul | davidgul: that is not what I said, 1) it is offtopic 2) in default mode it works 3) that is the end of the story. |
| 21:46.56 | davidgul | ompaul : ok thanks for the help |
| 21:47.14 | scwizard | wheezy's tasksel doesn't have a "standard system utilities" tickybox |
| 21:47.19 | ompaul | davidgul: try #debian-il perhaps |
| 21:47.22 | scwizard | that means I'm missing random important stuff such as less |
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| 21:48.08 | ompaul | scwizard: apt-get install less will get it - it's in main |
| 21:48.09 | scwizard | is there a convient way to install all the "standard system utilities"? |
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| 21:48.30 | ompaul | debian-goodies |
| 21:48.46 | tremon | !standard task |
| 21:48.46 | dpkg | i guess standard task is a "task" that should be installed on all machines during the installer stage. It installs packages that are important, required and standard (i.e. "aptitude install ~pstandard ~prequired ~pimportant"). For a list of packages, see http://wiki.debian.org/tasksel . Also ask me about <tasksel>. Packages in the <essential> set are always installed. |
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| 21:49.11 | Lint | is there an app in debian like cakewalk which can add text to midi files? |
| 21:49.26 | tremon | scwizard: ^^, specifically the aptitude equivalent |
| 21:49.26 | scwizard | there we go! |
| 21:49.37 | fredl | hello, I accidentally removed /etc/exim4/exim4.conf.template how do I get it back? |
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| 21:50.32 | jhutchins_wk | !confmiss |
| 21:50.33 | dpkg | You have to especially tell the packaging system to reinstall config files because when they are gone, it is assumed that you want them to stay deleted. "aptitude -o DPkg::Options::='--force-confmiss' reinstall $packagename" will restore them (man dpkg for details). If the package uses <ucf> for config file management, ask me about <ucf confmiss>. |
| 21:50.33 | jelly-home | fredl: if that is a conffile, /msg dpkg confmiss |
| 21:50.57 | jelly-home | fredl: you need to figure out exactly which package it belonged to |
| 21:51.17 | tremon | !dpkg -S |
| 21:51.21 | joltcan | fredl: it's from exim4-config by the looks of it |
| 21:51.21 | fredl | exim4-config |
| 21:51.22 | KBentley57 | hey guys, does anyone have experience using distcc? |
| 21:51.55 | Ix-Xitan | Hi i just installed a fresh debian on virtualbox not my problem is to connect with ftp to it is there something i need to change ? |
| 21:52.33 | fredl | wew, nifty, tnx guys |
| 21:52.37 | fredl | works like a charm |
| 21:53.51 | joltcan | Ix-Xitan: sorry, I didn't get that. Are you trying to connect to your virtual debian with ftp, or is your virtual debian trying to connect to internet over ftp? |
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| 21:54.33 | KBentley57 | Ix-Xitan, have you installed any ftp server software? |
| 21:55.08 | Ix-Xitan | not yet |
| 21:55.38 | Ix-Xitan | I thought it comes out of the box with it sorry |
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| 21:56.45 | KBentley57 | Ix-Xitan, you need either proftp or vsftp, either works great. I just set up vsftp and it's pretty easy |
| 21:57.00 | Ix-Xitan | ok thanks :) |
| 21:58.03 | scwizard | what does the nvidia installer even need a c compiler for u_u |
| 21:58.20 | scwizard | anyways since I might as well, how do I install the whole devel suite. gcc, automake etc |
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| 21:58.55 | KBentley57 | scwizard, sudo apt-get install gcc g++ automake autoconf |
| 21:58.57 | Sevet | scwizard: 'apt-get install build-essential' will probably install everything you need |
| 21:59.03 | I_Died_Once | hi, is there an apt repo that will allow me to update to the latest version of kde without going all 'sid' on my computer system? |
| 21:59.13 | scwizard | thanks Sevet |
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| 21:59.39 | scwizard | what does the {a} next to some package names mean |
| 21:59.52 | scwizard | I never saw it on squeeze, but it's all over the place on wheezy |
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| 22:00.05 | tremon | scwizard: automatically installed |
| 22:00.10 | scwizard | ok |
| 22:01.03 | Sevet | the one i gave'll give you some extra stuff for building debian packages, kbentley57's line'll give you a leaner install |
| 22:02.16 | fredl | hrmm exim configuration is tricky :( |
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| 22:03.13 | scwizard | oh that's what nvidia is doing |
| 22:03.31 | scwizard | it wants to rebuild the kernel with its drivers in. Weird I thought it had a faster way to go about it |
| 22:03.53 | KBentley57 | scwizard, i think it only rebuilds the kernel module, not the whole kernel |
| 22:04.06 | scwizard | hopefully |
| 22:04.07 | jelly-home | scwizard: don't use the nvidia installer unless you absolutely have to |
| 22:04.16 | jelly-home | !tell scwizard about nvidia dkms |
| 22:04.35 | jelly-home | ,versions nvidia-kernel-dkms |
| 22:04.36 | judd | Package: nvidia-kernel-dkms on i386 -- squeeze/non-free: 195.36.31-6; squeeze-backports/non-free: 280.13.really.275.36-1~bpo60+1; sid/non-free: 295.20-1; wheezy/non-free: 295.20-1; experimental/non-free: 295.20-1+exp1 |
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| 22:06.50 | scwizard | eh I'll try the nvidia way before I do the dkms |
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| 22:07.55 | KBentley57 | I use amd, but I've never really had a problem with gpu drivers that were propritary software |
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| 22:08.43 | jelly-home | scwizard: be warned it creates inconsistencies in the packaging system, changes that dpkg does not know about and which often create problems on further upgrades |
| 22:09.21 | scwizard | jelly-home, yeah I know, it means that I need to manage kernel upgrades by hand rather than through the packaging system |
| 22:09.25 | scwizard | that probably isn't that bad |
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| 22:09.35 | AtomEnte | hey folks |
| 22:09.46 | scwizard | also which is better for running minecraft? real time kernel, or standard kernel? |
| 22:09.46 | AtomEnte | how can i install a package from oldstable? |
| 22:09.57 | jelly-home | scwizard: it's the xorg and mesa stuff you'll need to worry about, not the kernel |
| 22:10.00 | AtomEnte | i am currently using squeeze but need a package from lenny |
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| 22:11.01 | scwizard | jelly-home, I don't understand. We're talking about drivers here. If drivers work they work. I don't see how upgrading xorg would be a problem |
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| 22:11.45 | scwizard | I'm going to guess the real time kernel *crosses fingers* |
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| 22:12.00 | tremon | scwizard: the nvidia installer overwrites the Mesa/X opengl libraries and replaces them with its own |
| 22:12.22 | scwizard | well ****, I can see how that might cause issues down the road |
| 22:12.43 | jelly-home | scwizard: nvidia installer works outside the packaging system, and change some bits from xorg and mesa. Upgrades of packages will overwrite some of nvidia's changes, and vice versa |
| 22:13.20 | scwizard | jelly-home, yeah now that I know that nvida's installer screws with libraries, rather than just kernel drivers, I can see how there would be problems |
| 22:13.20 | nsadmin | scwizard, naive assumption, not all drivers will work with all versions of things the drivers plug into |
| 22:13.47 | AtomEnte | never mind. figured it out |
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| 22:15.41 | jelly-home | scwizard: it's _usually_ enough to reinstall nvidia after each xorg package upgrade, but sometimes there are leftovers. The mess is easily avoided by using the packaged stuff if it works for your hardware |
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| 22:18.13 | gnarface | jelly-home: i know "not made here" and all but if you're implying that the nvidia official installer script hasn't in recent years been configured to do a pretty good job at cleaning up the leftovers (at least as far as Xorg is concerned, but probably not as far as dpkg/apt is concerned) you'd be spreading misinformation, and harmful misinformation at that. now before you lash out in anger, i'm AGREEING with you that the debian |
| 22:18.13 | gnarface | nvidia dkms/glx packages are a better approach. some people need world of warcraft working *NOW* though ya know? |
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| 22:19.22 | gnarface | would only advise using the nvidia script these days if there's a fresh hot new version out that hasn't made it into debian yet and you just gotta have it this minute cause you're impatient as fuck |
| 22:19.31 | gnarface | knows what its like to be impatient as fuck |
| 22:20.35 | gnarface | scwizard: if you don't know EVERY single file the nvidia script puts in place and what debian packages they collide with (so you can force a reinstall after manually removing offending files if something goes wrong) do NOT use the nvidia script - you've been warned |
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| 22:22.53 | gnarface | what i really *don't* know is why nvidia refuses to just make deb packages of their own - it would be way easier to maintain them than that giant bash script atrocity they currently maintain now |
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| 22:33.25 | somiaj | gnarface: most likely it is easier to matain a single bash script that mostly works as oposed to .deb (for different distros), .rpm (for different distros), .gz (for source distros), etc |
| 22:33.32 | scwizard | gnarface, someone wrote a nice script in packages nvidia-installer-cleanup :P |
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| 22:34.21 | somiaj | you can get the 275.x.x version from squeeze-backports, so unless you are an avid linux gamer or have a card newer than the 560gtx/ti you can just use the debian packages |
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| 22:35.24 | eugenmayer1 | how to let grup update the UUIDs used in the group entries for root? |
| 22:35.44 | gnarface | somiaj: i get that in theory it seems like that, but i've done both now and they're SO WRONG. they've re-implemented all of fucking dpkg in that bash script, and lamely |
| 22:36.13 | gnarface | scwizard: haha nice. good to know |
| 22:37.59 | Keefe | eugenmayer1: update-grub? |
| 22:38.13 | themill | bunny69: don't worry about it. Glad to see you're sorted now. |
| 22:38.15 | eugenmayer1 | Keefe: did so, still the same uuid ( a non existing one )= |
| 22:39.13 | Keefe | i have two systems almost identical, with the same size root partitions, both ext4, but df reports different sizes, by about 130mb out of 9gb. what can i use to determine why? resize2fs says both are the same size |
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| 22:40.25 | vlt | Keefe: Maybe reserved blocks for uid0? |
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| 22:41.39 | Keefe | http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=pawHCzGv |
| 22:42.30 | Keefe | vlt: where do i find that stat? |
| 22:42.49 | vlt | Keefe: `tune2fs -l` |
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| 22:43.52 | Keefe | "Reserved block count" differs by only 1404 blocks |
| 22:44.08 | Keefe | would those be 4kb blocks? |
| 22:44.25 | scwizard | ,depends nvidia-kernel-legacy-173xx-dkms |
| 22:44.26 | judd | Package nvidia-kernel-legacy-173xx-dkms in squeeze/i386 -- depends: dkms (>= 2.1.0.0), nvidia-kernel-common (>= 20100522). |
| 22:44.34 | scwizard | ,depends nvidia-kernel-legacy-173xx-dkms --release wheezy |
| 22:44.35 | judd | No package named 'nvidia-kernel-legacy-173xx-dkms' was found in wheezy/i386. |
| 22:44.42 | scwizard | so... |
| 22:44.43 | scwizard | what do? |
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| 22:46.56 | Keefe | http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=iYgXnMTB |
| 22:48.04 | Keefe | oh, just noticed one system is more up-to-date than the other. guess that could explain the difference in df's figures |
| 22:48.52 | kevlarman | Keefe: also the reserved block counts differ slightly |
| 22:49.00 | Keefe | not enough though |
| 22:49.14 | Keefe | assuming those are 4kb blocks, that's only 5mb |
| 22:49.41 | somiaj | gnarface: yea I haven't touched the script in years. I did occosionally have to grab newer packges from experimential for some games in wine, but haven't had to deal with that in a while either. |
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| 22:50.54 | gnarface | somiaj: yea in sid at least the debian packages are fine for gaming right now, as long as you have a recent-model card. (9800gtx+ cards and older still suffer from the ABI mismatch bug - the override lets you start X11 but shit still breaks) |
| 22:51.06 | gnarface | i fixed that problem by just buying new hardware |
| 22:51.19 | somiaj | gnarface: yea my 9800gtk blew up a year ago forcing me to upgrade. |
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| 22:51.44 | gnarface | mine must have been built on a wednesday |
| 22:51.47 | tremon | Keefe: same kernel version? The block count is exactly the same for both, and df is wrong on both counts. 2196992*4=8787968 |
| 22:51.58 | kevlarman | somiaj: [89]800 was really starting to show its age anyway |
| 22:52.15 | gnarface | only as far as wine was concerned, kevlarman |
| 22:52.26 | kevlarman | gnarface: nope, on windows too |
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| 22:53.10 | gnarface | kevlarman: i meant to imply "on linux" - of course if wine thinks its old windows does too |
| 22:53.22 | nsadmin | I'm looking for the lib to link to that has pthread_kill_other_threads_np() |
| 22:53.29 | Keefe | tremon: same kernel. different version of e2fsprogs/e2fslibs |
| 22:53.48 | kevlarman | gnarface: sure if you run 5 year old games a card that old isn't an issue :P |
| 22:53.50 | tremon | nsadmin: -lpthread? |
| 22:54.09 | nsadmin | hmm, that could be... that's its name in squeeze? |
| 22:54.12 | gnarface | kevlarman: well my 12 year old window manager wasn't having problems with it either :-p |
| 22:54.30 | gnarface | sometimes progress goes in reverse |
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| 22:54.52 | kevlarman | gnarface: kwin is about the only thing that can make my 560 feel slow :( |
| 22:54.54 | tremon | nsadmin: I'd expect the library to be in libc6-dev, but you didn't ask for the package name :) |
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| 22:55.08 | gnarface | and i still can't play half-life2 or wow in directx10 mode with my 560 |
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| 22:57.17 | tremon | nsadmin: google suggests that function has been deprecated |
| 22:57.46 | scwizard | "It is basically impossible to use the nvidia driver on cards no longer supported after 71xx on a current Debian suite." ;_; |
| 22:58.21 | zeromission | my isp blocks port 25, but my shell account hosts smtp on port 25 how can i setup a portforward on the shellaccount that forwards port 2000 to 25 on localhost? |
| 22:58.36 | gnarface | scwizard: i don't think that's true is it? i think there's a 17x.xxx and a 9x.xxx series legacy driver package still |
| 22:58.47 | gnarface | scwizard: even though nvidia is still not distributing them anymore |
| 22:58.50 | scwizard | gnarface, there is no such thing in wheezy ;_; |
| 22:58.57 | gnarface | scwizard: oh. they're in squeeze |
| 22:59.03 | scwizard | yeah |
| 22:59.33 | gnarface | scwizard: i wouldn't throw those cards away though, there's been renewed speculation that nvidia may participate more in the noveau drivers for older cards they don't care about monetizing anymore |
| 22:59.43 | kevlarman | gnarface: they've stopped updating the 17x for new xorg |
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| 22:59.52 | gnarface | kevlarman: damn. |
| 23:00.18 | scwizard | I might just order a new card from newegg |
| 23:00.21 | scwizard | they're not that expensive |
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| 23:00.52 | glisignoli | Hello! I'm trying to use svn to checkout debian-cd (http://anonscm.debian.org/viewvc/debian-cd/) but I keep getting a repository moved error |
| 23:00.52 | somiaj | you can still get the legacy packages from sid |
| 23:00.56 | gnarface | i think nvidia could set the noveau project on a path to relatively complete 3d support (2d is pretty good now on them, even better than the oem drivers for some cards) by the end of the year, with little effort on their own part |
| 23:00.56 | somiaj | scwizard: ^^ |
| 23:01.01 | kevlarman | scwizard: if you don't have pci-e slots you'll have trouble finding anything newer 7600 |
| 23:01.12 | scwizard | well let me see |
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| 23:01.39 | kevlarman | scwizard: 7600gs is the newest nvidia card available in agp |
| 23:02.05 | kevlarman | (4670 on the amd side, but those things are really overpriced) |
| 23:02.37 | scwizard | I don't want an expensive one |
| 23:02.41 | scwizard | just one that will work with linux |
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| 23:03.52 | scwizard | also I do have a pci express slot |
| 23:03.56 | razmataz | hi all, my package manager says a package is installed, where can i locate the exe? |
| 23:03.59 | kevlarman | scwizard: x16? |
| 23:04.04 | scwizard | it's what this geforce FX 5500 that everything refuses to work with is in |
| 23:04.26 | kevlarman | scwizard: 5500 was released long before pcie existed |
| 23:04.46 | scwizard | http://www.nvidia.com/page/fx_5200.html <- it has a PCI express ceritifed thingy |
| 23:05.08 | scwizard | also what it's in is clearly bigger than a pci slot |
| 23:05.20 | scwizard | maybe you have a better idea of what it might be |
| 23:05.37 | kevlarman | anyway pcie slots are far easier to fill |
| 23:05.44 | gnarface | pci-x instead of pci-e? |
| 23:06.02 | gnarface | has seen boards with 64-bit pci slots that were 32-bit pci compatible |
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| 23:06.24 | gnarface | that standard died out relatively quickly i think though, around 2006/2007 |
| 23:06.41 | gnarface | due to the almost-name-collision most people never knew it even existed |
| 23:06.45 | scwizard | pretty sure it's just one of the oldest pci express cards |
| 23:06.47 | scwizard | or something |
| 23:07.15 | razmataz | anyone know where i can locate the exe if the package is labelled as installed in my package manager? |
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| 23:07.36 | gnarface | scwizard: i'd have to see a picture of the slot and of the pins on the card to tell |
| 23:07.48 | kevlarman | razmataz: dpkg --list <package> iirc |
| 23:08.10 | gnarface | razmataz: ^^^^ this, but don't expect it to end in ".exe" its not fucking windows |
| 23:08.11 | somiaj | dpkg -L works as well |
| 23:08.11 | dpkg | No packages found matching works as well |
| 23:08.34 | somiaj | look for the files put into /bin or /usr/bin... dpkg -L pkgname | grep bin |
| 23:08.47 | kevlarman | somiaj: lol |
| 23:08.48 | scwizard | gnarface, on the basis that nvidia says it's a pci-e card, that my brother wouldn't buy a mb with a stupid standard like pci-x, I'm going to say it's pci-e |
| 23:08.53 | razmataz | gnarface: short for executable is all |
| 23:08.53 | scwizard | I don't see anything that would suggest otherwise |
| 23:09.25 | kevlarman | scwizard: anyway if it is pcie then a 520 or something else cheap is easy to pick up |
| 23:09.58 | scwizard | newegg sorting by price only goes down to 20$ :( Before they had a 10$ one after rebate |
| 23:11.22 | scwizard | and everything is mail in rebate eww |
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| 23:13.17 | antiisolo | can anyone help me get my wireless working on my laptop? just installed debian squeeze on a acer 4830tg |
| 23:13.28 | antiisolo | seems like its not picking up the card at all |
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| 23:17.22 | somiaj | antiisolo: what is the wirless card (look at lspci) |
| 23:17.34 | somiaj | antiisolo: you most likely have to enable the non-free repo and install non-free firmware |
| 23:17.47 | somiaj | antiisolo: if your wireless card is really new, you may have to install a kenrel from squeeze-backports |
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| 23:19.13 | antiisolo | somiaj what i found is this Intel® Centrino® Advanced-N 6205 |
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| 23:19.27 | antiisolo | and i have seen iwlwifi |
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| 23:20.00 | somiaj | antiisolo: dmesg | grep firmware (do you see any errors like cannot load firmware)? |
| 23:20.03 | amphi | antiisolo: you have the firmware installed? |
| 23:20.09 | antiisolo | but after using aptitude, and modprobe, no luck, i cant even tell if linux is allowing it to toggle on or not.. |
| 23:20.10 | amphi | heh |
| 23:20.32 | antiisolo | let me check |
| 23:20.55 | amphi | firmware-iwlwifi is the package name |
| 23:21.48 | somiaj | amphi: he probabaly needs to enable the non-free repo first |
| 23:22.03 | antiisolo | somiaj, nah no firmware errors |
| 23:22.25 | amphi | somiaj: aye |
| 23:22.46 | somiaj | looks like you need a newer kernel |
| 23:22.51 | somiaj | !squeeze-backports |
| 23:22.52 | dpkg | backports.debian.org (formerly backports.org) is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Ask me about <backport caveat> and read http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ to enable and use. See also <bdo kernel> <bdo mirrors> <bdo contents> <bdo list> <bdo bugs> <backports-sloppy> <bdo xorg>. |
| 23:22.57 | antiisolo | and i added this last night deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian squeeze main contrib non-free |
| 23:23.20 | somiaj | antiisolo: ^^ add the squeze-backports repo, the install the linux kernel 3.2 from that repo |
| 23:23.24 | somiaj | ,versions linux-image-3.2 |
| 23:23.25 | judd | No package named 'linux-image-3.2' was found in i386. |
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| 23:23.44 | themill | ,kernels --release squeeze-backports |
| 23:23.45 | judd | Available kernel versions are: squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.2-686-pae (3.2.9-1~bpo60+1) |
| 23:23.46 | antiisolo | alright ill give it ago, thanks |
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| 23:29.11 | wolfric | should grep --exclude-dir=ignorethisdir -Ri test . not work? This looks quite to me according to the grep man page |
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| 23:35.26 | thnee | I am trying to start a process in the background from a Makefile, but when I immediately afterwards echo the $! variable, it's empty. This works when running bash interactively. What I am doing wrong? |
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| 23:37.39 | jabot | thnee: separate makefile lines end up in different subshells i think |
| 23:37.56 | nsadmin | why from a makefile? |
| 23:38.15 | jabot | so... try echoing $! on the same line where you start the process |
| 23:38.29 | nsadmin | are you doing something other than building something from source? |
| 23:38.33 | thnee | jabot: so should i be using premade bash-scripts for anything "advanced" or what? |
| 23:38.47 | jabot | also, make is not really intended to do background-stuff |
| 23:38.55 | thnee | nsadmin: conveniece for starting wsgi dev server and building sass |
| 23:39.16 | thnee | well i just want to echo the pid to a file so i can kill it later |
| 23:39.18 | jabot | if you need parallelism, you should use -j |
| 23:39.33 | themill | thnee: can you pastebin your makefile? |
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| 23:40.11 | jabot | thnee: have a look at start-stop-daemon |
| 23:40.13 | thnee | themill: http://pastebin.com/BSsnWVUt please suggest a better tool than make if you have an idea |
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| 23:41.32 | nsadmin | make is for generating files from other files and looking at timestamps of files to see whether it needs to redo it |
| 23:41.51 | nsadmin | if that's what you're doing, great |
| 23:41.55 | themill | hands nsadmin "make test" |
| 23:41.55 | thnee | thats the original intent yes |
| 23:42.06 | thnee | it's also quite common to use it for phony targets =) |
| 23:42.20 | themill | thnee: yeah, jabot's point about each line of a makefile being its own shell invocation is important here. You can't use variables from line to line like that (add lots of \ to the ends of the lines or break the snippets out into separate shell scripts) |
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| 23:42.56 | thnee | ah so thats what the \'s are for. thanks |
| 23:43.08 | thnee | can anyone suggest a better tool for what i am trying to do? |
| 23:43.15 | thnee | something a bit more .. modern |
| 23:43.18 | themill | thnee: the order of expansion of the variable will also be a problem for you. |
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| 23:44.24 | Jorophose | hi guys! I'm on wheezy with an ath9k card, and for some reason I can connect just fine to my home network, but network-manager-gnome doesn't show any available networks... thoughts? |
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| 23:45.00 | themill | thnee: nothing wrong with make for what you're doing there, you're reinventing the wheel a bit with the starting and stopping of the daemon though |
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| 23:46.32 | ScottG | I just burned an iso to a dvd but no computers seem to recognize it to be able to boot from it. I used this command to do the write: growisofs -dvd-compat -Z /dev/sr0=debian-504-i386-netinst.iso |
| 23:47.31 | thnee | themill: right start-stop-daemon looks nice, thanks |
| 23:47.39 | nsadmin | themill, sure, there is make test, which can generate a text file that logs the results; additionally something akin to make test has usually been a part of a makefile that builds the thing that gets tested which could also set vars that can be used in the tests, etc etc |
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| 23:48.32 | themill | nsadmin: no shit. Notice that it doesn't make a file called "test" and that it's a .PHONY target. |
| 23:48.36 | scwizard | oh geez this isnt' a pci-e slot |
| 23:48.41 | scwizard | it's an AGP slot ;_; |
| 23:48.55 | scwizard | I pretty much need to either use windows or get a new computer it seems |
| 23:49.07 | kevlarman | scwizard: or use an open source driver |
| 23:49.09 | nsadmin | oh, you were referring to a specific make test? I was speaking generally |
| 23:49.27 | scwizard | kevlarman, of course I tried that first, it didn't work. gnome had all these wierd glitches |
| 23:49.36 | scwizard | and I doubt it would play nicely with two monitors |
| 23:49.49 | kevlarman | scwizard: they do actually |
| 23:49.55 | scwizard | not to mention it'd prob wouldn't be very good at playing minecraft |
| 23:49.55 | kevlarman | scwizard: and i meant radeon mostly |
| 23:50.20 | kevlarman | scwizard: minecraft doesn't do much to tax graphics hardware, it's mostly cpu bound |
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| 23:50.32 | scwizard | well what about the gnome graphical glitches? |
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| 23:51.04 | kevlarman | scwizard: no clue, never used nouveau myself |
| 23:51.11 | themill | nsadmin: so am I. I am yet to set a test target in a makefile that is not a .PHONY target. Make does far more than just generate files from other files based on timestamps. |
| 23:51.18 | scwizard | not to mention, even if it's mostly cpu bound |
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| 23:51.28 | scwizard | nouveau lacks 3d acceleration full stop from what I heard |
| 23:51.44 | kevlarman | scwizard: afaik it works on older hardware |
| 23:51.53 | kevlarman | scwizard: though probably not in squeeze |
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| 23:52.45 | scwizard | well the minecraft performance is just speculative, what I do know for a fact thought is that gnome has some issues |
| 23:52.54 | snowrichard | I've hit a minor bug in debian squeeze on arm |
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| 23:53.09 | snowrichard | trying to install xchat puts system in a freezup |
| 23:53.23 | snowrichard | irssi works though so i'm just using that now |
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| 23:56.46 | nsadmin | make and makefiles are kinda weird... one major way it's weird, is that different kinds of whitespace are interpreted differently, something which can be very confusing to anyone, especially if the wrong kind of white space was used by accident; that's hard to just understand, much less find in order to fix (this said by someone who's been using make since 1985 or so). The point I'm trying to make (no pun intended) is that there are much better too |
| 23:56.47 | nsadmin | ls than make in any form... the original concept is neat and everything, and can be implemented differently |
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| 23:58.03 | antiisolo | somiaj, hey that seemed to fix my issues! Thanks! it lists a lot more options in grub, and the ones that end with r(d?) or something didnt work, but the other updated kernal option in grub works nicely |
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| 23:58.48 | somiaj | antiisolo: you can remove the older kernels if you don't want them. For the most part they just take up disk space and I would suggest keeping a stable 2.6.32 kernel around. |
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| 23:59.38 | dondelelcaro | nsadmin: make is actually pretty useful, and its trivial to find those problems if you're using a hilighting editor. |
| 23:59.48 | antiisolo | somiaj ok cool, ill look into how to remove them |