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| 00:00.47 | somiaj | antiisolo: dpkg -l | grep linux-image |
| 00:00.50 | nsadmin | the concept behind make is extremely useful |
| 00:00.52 | somiaj | antiisolo: then remove the packages you don't want. |
| 00:01.01 | nsadmin | which causes make to be useful |
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| 00:01.36 | dondelelcaro | there's pretty much nothing else which really replaces make; everything else that has tried is supremly clunky or inflexible |
| 00:02.06 | somiaj | antiisolo: though if it just extra enteries in grub for multiple options for the same kernel, If you don't want them listed in grub you'll have to modify the grub generation scripts. (I'd suggest just leaving them alone) |
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| 00:02.25 | dvs | ant? |
| 00:02.39 | nsadmin | everything? |
| 00:02.49 | antiisolo | somiaj ah ok, well thanks again, youve been most helpful to me lately, i appreciate it |
| 00:02.51 | dondelelcaro | nsadmin: everything that I've seen which is commonly used |
| 00:03.49 | nemysis | can be installed grub2 2.00~beta in Debian GNU/Linux |
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| 00:04.36 | nsadmin | all you'd have to do is replace the tabs thing with something like an execution block, where all the commands in the block are run in one subshell |
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| 00:05.25 | Bifrost | anyone got an idea how to boot a system that apparently has had the mdraid module removed from its kernel/initramfs? |
| 00:05.28 | nsadmin | actually replacing the tabs thing would invalidate a hell of a lot of existing code... so, better to add instead of replace |
| 00:05.34 | nsadmin | anyway |
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| 00:06.36 | Turl | Bifrost: live cd/dvd/usb maybe? |
| 00:06.38 | nsadmin | here I go going around and around, sorry about that, didn't mean to have this go so long. |
| 00:06.52 | Bifrost | url, no cd drive in this box. |
| 00:07.04 | Bifrost | err s/url/turl/ |
| 00:07.11 | Turl | well, I don't know any box without a usb port :) |
| 00:07.26 | gnarface | still has 2 |
| 00:07.32 | gnarface | online |
| 00:07.46 | Bifrost | turl: plenty of them, especially when they're far away :) |
| 00:08.19 | nsadmin | Turl, most at boxes don't |
| 00:08.46 | Bifrost | even so - if I can get this box online with some sort of rescue system, how do I get mdraid back into its kernel so I can safely reboot it? |
| 00:08.52 | nsadmin | like my gw, which I added usb card to |
| 00:09.08 | gnarface | Bifrost: if its remote then in theory impi might be able to do this i think, or a really expensive remote kvm+power strip but ... i don't have any idea how |
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| 00:09.58 | Turl | Bifrost: is it a rented box? |
| 00:09.59 | gnarface | Bifrost: you'd want to boot it into a livecd or rescue environment sufficient to build a replacement kernel. did you say the root partition was also on the raid? |
| 00:10.08 | Bifrost | turl: sortof |
| 00:10.18 | Bifrost | gnarface: yep, everything is on the raid |
| 00:10.27 | gnarface | Bifrost: i don't suppose you have any other kernels still installed? |
| 00:10.33 | Turl | Bifrost: your hosting provider then probably has a panel and an option to boot a rescue system through pxe or similar |
| 00:10.42 | Bifrost | gnarface: plenty installed, not sure which one works... |
| 00:11.17 | Bifrost | turl: nope. |
| 00:11.23 | gnarface | Bifrost: i'd go in reverse order from the current one until you found one that wasn't broken |
| 00:11.53 | Turl | Bifrost: let me know where your server is so I never buy from them :P |
| 00:11.57 | Bifrost | gnarface: yeah, doing so. |
| 00:12.01 | gnarface | Bifrost: depending on whether your time costs more than the data that was on it though getting your colo to just wipe it and reinstall might be cheaper |
| 00:12.11 | Bifrost | turl: the problem really is that doing upgrades with apt somehow removed this from their kernel :) |
| 00:12.22 | gnarface | that seems unlikely |
| 00:12.28 | Bifrost | their box booted before :) |
| 00:12.43 | gnarface | stock debian kernels should have software raid support |
| 00:12.54 | gnarface | you sure its the kernel that was hosed, not like... i dunno grub? |
| 00:13.10 | Turl | indeed |
| 00:13.23 | Turl | debian kernels have it, I didn't need to add anything to boot on my system |
| 00:13.26 | Bifrost | gnarface: possible |
| 00:13.28 | Turl | other than the raid modules on grub |
| 00:13.52 | Bifrost | basically the system boots, then says it can't find /md0, drops me to a shell... |
| 00:14.05 | gnarface | Bifrost: are you using official repos or are they inserting their own bootleg kernels and shit in there in some kind of custom repo you're forced to use? |
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| 00:14.08 | Bifrost | I went to the oldest kernel, no luck. |
| 00:14.24 | Bifrost | gnarface: sadly, I don't normally admin this box, so no clue as to whats going on. |
| 00:14.35 | gnarface | Bifrost: are you hosting with softlayer? |
| 00:14.48 | Turl | Bifrost: mdadm on that shell? |
| 00:15.09 | Bifrost | gnarface: nope |
| 00:15.17 | Bifrost | turl: no mdadm :/ |
| 00:15.26 | gnarface | Bifrost: nuke it from orbit |
| 00:15.36 | Bifrost | yeah, can't do that... |
| 00:15.42 | gnarface | Bifrost: serverbeach.com |
| 00:15.50 | Bifrost | can't do that either |
| 00:16.07 | Jorophose | but seriously, has anyone else had network-manager issues after installing gdm3? is it maybe due to bad policykit permissions? what does the installer use to set up my wifi connection? |
| 00:16.11 | thnee | nsadmin: i'm with you, make is useful but weird. but what's the alternative? that allows me to have really simple targets and files, and really complex ones too, and is quick and easy to type and execute regurarly |
| 00:16.15 | Turl | <3 lish and true recovery tools on xen servers, so linode for me :P |
| 00:16.26 | gnarface | man i'm really getting a pontius pilate stigma today |
| 00:16.34 | Turl | Jorophose: I'm using gnome3 here, through networkmanager managed wifi |
| 00:16.59 | Turl | Jorophose: make sure you got a recentish networkmanager (>0.9 if I recall correctly) |
| 00:16.59 | Jorophose | Turl: so it's working for you? are you on wheezy? |
| 00:17.00 | Bifrost | turl: linode is a security nightmare, would rather not deal with that heh. |
| 00:17.03 | Jorophose | Turl: what do you think I broke? |
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| 00:17.18 | Jorophose | I'm on a fresh wheezy install :/ |
| 00:17.19 | Turl | Jorophose: I use a testingunstablexperimental remix |
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| 00:17.51 | Jorophose | Turl: haha oh god... |
| 00:17.58 | Turl | Jorophose: $ apt-cache policy network-manager-gnome |
| 00:18.07 | Turl | which one do you have? |
| 00:18.11 | Bifrost | could I fix this from the installer? |
| 00:18.24 | Jorophose | this is a new SSD, and i actually just decided to nuke the install and try again :/ |
| 00:18.27 | Turl | Bifrost: debian installer has a shell with tools right? |
| 00:18.28 | Jorophose | let me check when it's all finished |
| 00:18.29 | gnarface | Jorophose: everyone else has had network-manager [problems] and most of us solved them by no longer installing it |
| 00:18.48 | Jorophose | gnarface: oh really? but then what do you use? |
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| 00:19.01 | Bifrost | turl: its possible. |
| 00:19.02 | Turl | gnarface: removing it removes half of gnome I think :P |
| 00:19.03 | gnarface | Jorophose: the /etc/network/interfaces file directly. |
| 00:19.12 | Jorophose | ... really? |
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| 00:19.40 | Jorophose | are there any tutorials on how to use it? I need to connect to WiFi at school, which is a bit complicated (WPA2 enterprise I think) |
| 00:19.46 | Turl | hm well, it didn't :) |
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| 00:20.05 | Turl | but still, worksforme, I don't see why it wouldn't for you |
| 00:20.12 | gnarface | Jorophose: yes believe it or not text files are much more reliable than graphical front-ends written by people who thought the text file was too complex. in this case the text file is really actually quite simple, the format is described in a man page |
| 00:20.15 | Turl | just make sure you got 0.9+ |
| 00:20.21 | Turl | gnome shell fails weirdly with 0.8 |
| 00:21.33 | Jorophose | Turl: I'll check it out once I'm up and running again. I'm actually a long-time Xfce4 user, but I prefer having gnome-backed programs... but I don't think this is all going to work, because I can't even get gtk3 to keeps its theme :/ |
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| 00:21.54 | Jorophose | gnarface: longtime debian user, I have come to love text tools. it's just harder when you don't know what to say |
| 00:22.14 | themill | also not particularly convenient for laptop users who move between networks |
| 00:22.35 | Jorophose | also,version 0.9.2 of network-manager |
| 00:22.50 | Jorophose | I figure network-manager-gnome is the same deal? |
| 00:22.58 | TheBeast | in a debian seedfile, is it possible to post install a package from a different repository say my.repo.tld? |
| 00:23.00 | Turl | Jorophose: should be, check to be sure |
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| 00:23.07 | gnarface | Jorophose: for wireless the basic format is the same as for static ip addresses just with 2 or 3 weird extra fields for your password and ssid and such. the specifics tend to be encryption and router-configuration specific. i'd be tempted to gamble there's a howto on the debian wiki but i don't know for sure |
| 00:23.11 | Jorophose | restarting now to see if xfce4 is running well |
| 00:23.23 | Jorophose | gnarface: wanna write one? :p |
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| 00:23.32 | karlpinc | I'm running e16 and an xfce terminal. I did _something_, and now my pointer has changed to a small x and I can't move the pointer outside of the "screen" of the xfce terminal window. Is there any way I can get out of this? None of the mouse buttons seem to do anything.... |
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| 00:23.45 | Turl | if you can't get nm working after several tries you can always install wicd |
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| 00:23.55 | gnarface | Jorophose: i'm still running WPA1 here sorry. wireless isn't a big part of my strategy due to inherent limitations |
| 00:24.18 | gnarface | dpkg wpa2? |
| 00:24.19 | dpkg | gnarface: I wish you would RTFM. |
| 00:24.29 | Turl | but I've always found nm to be more polished :/ |
| 00:24.31 | gnarface | dpkg wireless? |
| 00:24.31 | dpkg | Support for your wireless LAN device is dependent on the chipset within. Don't know what you have? Ask me about <what's my wireless>. Atheros: <atheros>; Atmel: <atmel>; Broadcom: <broadcom>; Intel: <intel>; Intersil: <prism>; Marvell: <marvell>; Ralink: <ralink>; Realtek: <realtek>; TI: <acx>; VIA: <vt665x>; ZyDAS: <zydas>. See also <killswitch>, <wpa>, <wlan howto>. http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi |
| 00:24.52 | gnarface | Turl: you got lucky |
| 00:25.00 | karlpinc | Turl: In here nm seems to cause more problems than it solves, from what we see. |
| 00:25.12 | Jorophose | well, never had issues with nm before... |
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| 00:25.30 | Turl | the only issue I've ever had with nm was years ago, and with a crappy card using ndiswrapper |
| 00:25.35 | themill | karlpinc: there's a very strong sampling bias in a help channel.... |
| 00:25.39 | Turl | that card failed even on windows |
| 00:25.41 | gnarface | Jorophose: the wpasupplicant package may actually contain the docs you're looking for |
| 00:25.42 | Turl | so I can't blame nm for it |
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| 00:26.25 | antiisolo | i think i just broke my apt-get trying to install tor, dpkg: error processing tor-geoipdb (--configure): dependency problems - leaving unconfigured configured to not write apport reports configured to not write apport reports Errors were encountered while processing: tor tor-geoipdb |
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| 00:26.30 | gnarface | Jorophose: if you're lost though that wiki entry may be a good starting point (the one the bot mentioned above) |
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| 00:26.58 | Turl | Jorophose: btw, when you say it doesn't work, do you get any error or specific behaviour? |
| 00:27.30 | Jorophose | Turl: network-manager? in gnome-shell it says "Unmanaged" I think, and won't let me select a network. in xfce4 it just lets me create the setting but won't scan for networks |
| 00:27.34 | karlpinc | themill: Yes, but in what way? I'd love to chat in #debian-offtopic but X has done something really weird and I'm stuck. (The keyboard does not seem to respond. See above.) |
| 00:27.38 | Jorophose | bizzare because it's an ath9k card... |
| 00:27.56 | Turl | Jorophose: ah |
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| 00:28.09 | Turl | Jorophose: fire a terminal and run nm-connection-editor |
| 00:28.27 | Jorophose | inb4 that works magically |
| 00:28.40 | Jorophose | as root? |
| 00:28.42 | Turl | Bifrost: btw what do you mean with linode being a security nightmare? |
| 00:28.49 | Turl | Jorophose: no, normal user |
| 00:29.04 | karlpinc | I suspect I've triggered some sort of image capture, or something, but I can't tell what. Perhaps ps will help.... I'll go looking. |
| 00:29.09 | themill | karlpinc: the sampling bias is always going to be towards people with broken stuff complaining. Users (fortunately) don't tell us about everything that is working. (nfc about your term problem) |
| 00:29.58 | karlpinc | themill: So you think it's the large nm user base that's to blame for the frequency of problem reports? |
| 00:30.05 | Bifrost | turl: I won't comment too much on that, other than memory protection is lacking... |
| 00:30.12 | Bifrost | (its like shared hosting) |
| 00:30.18 | Turl | Bifrost: it's xen hosting |
| 00:30.38 | Jorophose | same problem as before. ran it as normal user, and it saved the config but won't let me use it. |
| 00:30.40 | Bifrost | turl: indeed. |
| 00:30.52 | Jorophose | running in xfce4 though... is it worth fetching gnome3 to see if that will work? |
| 00:31.04 | Turl | Jorophose: check your wifi card mode |
| 00:31.08 | kevlarman | a rainbow bridge in #debian? it's apparently more likely than i thought |
| 00:31.12 | Turl | sudo iwconfig should do the trick Jorophose |
| 00:31.21 | Turl | is it managed? |
| 00:31.23 | themill | karlpinc: I don't think we actually get that many reports at all. We probably get just as many people with a dog's-breakfast for /e/n/interfaces |
| 00:31.31 | Bifrost | kevlar: har :) |
| 00:31.43 | gnarface | kevlarman: this rainbow bridge isn't gonna lead you anywhere until it gets its raid array booting again |
| 00:31.48 | Jorophose | managed mode |
| 00:31.58 | Jorophose | checked that using #sudo iwconfig |
| 00:32.18 | Turl | Jorophose: what about sudo iwlist [your iface name] scanning ? |
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| 00:32.34 | Jorophose | iface name? |
| 00:32.37 | Bifrost | yeah... this is pretty sad... |
| 00:32.46 | Turl | wlan0, ath0 or whatever showed in managed mode Jorophose |
| 00:33.24 | Jorophose | i tried #sudo iwlist wlan0 but it didn't do anything |
| 00:33.25 | Turl | Bifrost: other than the issue you mention, I haven't heard of any security breach on my years as observer and client |
| 00:33.36 | Turl | Jorophose: missing the scanning bit? :P |
| 00:33.44 | Turl | read my line again :) |
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| 00:34.37 | Turl | Bifrost: and the support, community and docs are really good |
| 00:35.14 | karlpinc | Well, there's no extra processes run by e16, or children of gdm3. So it's either an e16 thing or a xfce xterm thing. |
| 00:35.18 | Bifrost | turl: read http://invisiblethingslab.com if you want to be scared by virtualization :) |
| 00:35.34 | Bifrost | turl: yeah, I can't comment either way on the other parts. |
| 00:35.45 | Jorophose | Turl: give me a full line to run? |
| 00:35.48 | Turl | Bifrost: should I be scared by vmware virt too? :P |
| 00:35.50 | Bifrost | although, I do see network outages that direction a couple times a month, not sure who's fault that is. |
| 00:36.02 | Turl | Jorophose: sudo iwlist wlan0 scanning |
| 00:36.19 | Bifrost | turl: perhaps :) |
| 00:36.23 | Turl | Bifrost: fremont DC has had some disconnections lately |
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| 00:36.33 | Turl | but it's HE's fault I've heard |
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| 00:36.58 | Jorophose | what am i looking for exactly? I get Cell 1 through to Cell 7 |
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| 00:37.09 | Bifrost | turl: that wouldn't shock me, HE is kinda lulzy. |
| 00:37.15 | Bifrost | its the worst case best-effort :) |
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| 00:38.17 | Bifrost | turl: there's really only a couple companies paying real attention to vm security, one of them is bromium. |
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| 00:38.21 | Jorophose | actually, I'm really tempted to just drop back down to Debian Stable if network-manager was known to work there? :/ |
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| 00:38.55 | karlpinc | Ah well. Time to kill. |
| 00:38.59 | Turl | Jorophose: well that's scan results for your wifi |
| 00:39.06 | Turl | so your card actually scans just fine |
| 00:39.23 | Jorophose | so yeah, it's just network-manager being a brat :/ |
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| 00:39.40 | Jorophose | any idea on how to fix? :/ |
| 00:39.56 | initself | E: Package 'build-essential' has no installation candidate |
| 00:40.02 | Turl | Jorophose: cat /etc/network/interfaces |
| 00:40.08 | Turl | and make sure you got nothing wifi related there |
| 00:40.43 | initself | wouldn't deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ squeeze-updates main contrib have build-essential? |
| 00:40.48 | Turl | Bifrost: well, I run non essencial services on a <3US VM, can't complain :P |
| 00:40.50 | Jorophose | i have my wifi config in there |
| 00:40.56 | Jorophose | for my home network |
| 00:41.09 | themill | initself: squeeze-updates is only for .. ummm... updates. |
| 00:41.25 | themill | dpkg: tell initself about make squeeze sources.list |
| 00:41.26 | Bifrost | turl: thats pretty much what its for :) |
| 00:41.31 | Turl | Jorophose: if you're going to use network manager you shouldn't have anything wifi there |
| 00:41.48 | Turl | running debian of course :) |
| 00:41.53 | Jorophose | ... |
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| 00:42.02 | Jorophose | so i just remove it and it works? |
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| 00:42.13 | initself | themill: is cdn.debian.net a placeholder for me to fill in a valid mirror or can i use it as is? |
| 00:42.19 | Turl | Jorophose: theorically |
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| 00:42.52 | karlpinc | Interesting. The clock on the screen has stopped counting. It's as if I'm in xnest or something. |
| 00:42.54 | themill | initself: you can use it as it is and it will select a geographically close mirror for you |
| 00:43.01 | initself | perfect |
| 00:43.03 | initself | themill++ |
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| 00:43.32 | Jorophose | network-manager can't spot anything :/ |
| 00:43.47 | Turl | did you reboot/restart it? |
| 00:44.13 | Jorophose | just logged out? |
| 00:44.22 | Turl | Jorophose: logging out won't do the trick |
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| 00:44.41 | Turl | Jorophose: reboot or restart networking maybe, and network manager |
| 00:44.46 | Jorophose | restarting right now |
| 00:44.51 | Bifrost | oh awesome, I can kinda boot the system with a 2.6 kernel.. but fsck fails. |
| 00:44.55 | Jorophose | well, rebooting. up in a minute. |
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| 00:45.12 | Jorophose | you know guys |
| 00:45.14 | Jorophose | I love you all. |
| 00:45.21 | Jorophose | I sometimes come here, but we never remember people on IRC |
| 00:45.24 | Turl | that was a quick reboot |
| 00:45.27 | Turl | :) |
| 00:45.27 | Jorophose | at least, I don't. it's kind of beautiful that way. |
| 00:45.28 | Jorophose | >SSD |
| 00:45.29 | Jorophose | :D |
| 00:45.35 | epinky | I can't find ~/.ssh/config but there's usual .profile and .bashrc, any hints on this please? |
| 00:45.36 | Turl | I need to get one of those |
| 00:45.37 | Turl | haha |
| 00:45.43 | Jorophose | I just wanted to say, Thanks! nm found my network :) |
| 00:45.49 | Turl | :) |
| 00:45.54 | Jorophose | if you're on SATA2 gear, I really love my agility 3 so far. |
| 00:46.10 | Turl | to be honest I don't remember if this is sata1 or 2 |
| 00:46.12 | Jorophose | ok, now is there any way to screw around with the gnome3 falllback mode? |
| 00:46.21 | Turl | I was recommended that same one by a friend too |
| 00:46.26 | Turl | Jorophose: what's up with it? |
| 00:46.31 | Jorophose | if it's SATA1 you could always get something like an OCZ petrol... but I hear mixed things about OCZ; some swear by it, some hate it |
| 00:46.41 | Jorophose | I just want it to feel like Mint's Cinnamon lol. |
| 00:46.51 | Turl | no idea really |
| 00:46.51 | Jorophose | inb4 you really love gnome shell, but I don't like running my GPU all the time |
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| 00:47.03 | Jorophose | and the built-in fallback is really limited (can't theme it, can't move the panels...) |
| 00:47.04 | Turl | I know there's a toggle to force it on if you want it :P |
| 00:47.08 | Turl | and yeah I use full gnome3 |
| 00:47.27 | Turl | cinnamon is full gnome 3 with addons I think |
| 00:47.31 | Jorophose | nah, I want more flexibility; I think gnome-shell will catch on but we need a more flexible mode first |
| 00:47.36 | Turl | so you still get the gpu thing |
| 00:47.40 | Jorophose | yeah, that's what I hear; but will gnome3-shell-extensions do the trick? |
| 00:47.47 | Turl | no idea |
| 00:47.51 | Jorophose | yeah but I hate compositing, it really kills the battery :/ |
| 00:47.53 | Turl | but there's extensions.gnome.org or such |
| 00:47.56 | Turl | install with one click |
| 00:47.58 | Turl | :) |
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| 00:48.14 | Turl | https://extensions.gnome.org/ |
| 00:48.27 | Jorophose | oh yes. do want. they work in fall-back as well? |
| 00:48.27 | Turl | Jorophose: well, I run on an intel card |
| 00:48.35 | Jorophose | same, the celeron u3400 |
| 00:48.47 | Turl | no idea how does fallback work re. extensions |
| 00:48.49 | Jorophose | and it still seriously eats my battery and disturbs the children |
| 00:49.05 | Turl | I have a core2duo with a series 4 graphics chip |
| 00:49.09 | Jorophose | but yeah... hm... I guess it's time to get hard at work making this laptop feel like home :3 |
| 00:49.35 | Jorophose | i'll look into gnome-shell + extensions though... when i have campus internet :p |
| 00:49.41 | karlpinc | I think it was something in X. Killing e16/xterm did not help. I had to restart X. |
| 00:50.04 | Turl | karlpinc: your mouse wouldn't click but it moved? |
| 00:50.15 | Jorophose | also, how can i enable edge scrolling without using xorg.conf? |
| 00:50.25 | baristaTam | Hey everyone :] I've been using Ubuntu for a long while now and slowly have learned to hate it deeply. Am definitely switching distros and thinking about moving to a debian-based distro, and was wondering if anyone wants to hype up excitement for it! Or convince me otherwise. |
| 00:50.32 | Turl | Jorophose: on the input settings I think |
| 00:50.48 | karlpinc | Turl: Right. And the pointer changed to a mini x, like the big X cursor when you start X without a dm, but smaller. |
| 00:51.02 | Turl | Jorophose: "mouse & touchpad" |
| 00:51.25 | karlpinc | Turl: But it would only move inside a window, and that means wouldn't get into the application menu area either, just the xterm "screen". |
| 00:51.30 | Turl | karlpinc: is your mouse a touchpad in reality? |
| 00:51.38 | karlpinc | Turl: No. USB mouse. |
| 00:51.51 | Turl | well, if you ever get it again it's worth a shot still |
| 00:51.58 | karlpinc | Turl: And the keyboard was unresponsive. |
| 00:51.58 | Turl | use the wheel to scroll on any text you have handy |
| 00:52.06 | Turl | hm well it might be something else then |
| 00:52.12 | Jorophose | Thurl: Can't seem to see that option :/ |
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| 00:52.33 | Turl | Jorophose: did you get to mouse & touchpad? |
| 00:52.38 | karlpinc | Turl: Leaving the vt and going back, the window content did not ever display, in any window, just grey. But the desktop background displayed. |
| 00:52.57 | Turl | yeah doesn't look like what I was describing |
| 00:52.58 | baristaTam | Hey! My boyfriend created xterm for touchpad :0 |
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| 00:53.25 | Jorophose | Thurl: yep, but nothing :/ |
| 00:53.37 | baristaTam | Oh hm, I think I read that all wrong. |
| 00:53.38 | Turl | on the touchpad tab Jorophose |
| 00:53.58 | Jorophose | no such option (in xfce4) |
| 00:54.20 | Turl | Jorophose: ah, I'm talking about the gnome control center one :P |
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| 00:54.25 | Turl | no idea on xfce, sorry |
| 00:54.34 | initself | hrm why does vim need ruby? wird. |
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| 00:55.03 | Turl | initself: hm? |
| 00:55.05 | Turl | doesnt' here |
| 00:55.09 | Turl | doesn't* |
| 00:55.18 | initself | not sure what i was seeing then |
| 00:55.31 | Turl | check apt-cache depends vim |
| 00:57.39 | initself | hrm |
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| 00:57.55 | joar | is theree a way in Wheezy to execute a script whenever I connect to a new network? |
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| 00:58.21 | Turl | joar: are you using static configuration or network manager? |
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| 00:58.54 | joar | Turl: It's a laptop, no static configuration, but VPNs, wireless, etc, managed through (network manager)? |
| 00:59.07 | Turl | joar: not sure when does it apply to be honest, but check /etc/network/if-up.d and similar directories |
| 00:59.10 | joar | and of course the old eth0 |
| 01:00.01 | joar | Turl: Bingo! Thanks :) |
| 01:00.32 | Turl | you're welcome :) |
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| 01:03.55 | boudiccas | in midnight commander what is the key sequence to exit it please? |
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| 01:05.30 | boudiccas | ah, right. thanks |
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| 01:10.27 | caoyujiao | hi |
| 01:10.33 | caoyujiao | anyone here |
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| 01:11.30 | Woet | no this channel is deserted |
| 01:11.33 | Woet | try again later |
| 01:11.41 | dvs | *beep* |
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| 01:13.17 | Bifrost | please install flux capacitor. |
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| 01:15.24 | woshty | is anyone using gksudo to run xapps as another user (not root)? i did use xhost +SI:localuser:user because it would give me "GLib-CRITICAL **: g_str_has_prefix: assertion `str != NULL' failed" and "No protocol specified" as well as "Can't open display: :0.0" in debug. bad idea? why doesnt it work out of the box? |
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| 01:17.04 | woshty | btw makes the xhost thing work normal sudo as well |
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| 01:20.45 | Fernandos | hiya |
| 01:21.05 | cakehero | anyone know why a public/private key pair might not work - it works on other machines |
| 01:21.10 | Fernandos | where is the debian package maintainer/creator/learning channel= |
| 01:21.11 | Fernandos | ? |
| 01:21.14 | cakehero | i just fired up a squeeze install and it requires my password |
| 01:21.20 | cakehero | even w/the authorized_keys set |
| 01:22.02 | woshty | cakehero: check /var/log/auth.log for errors on the server machine |
| 01:22.05 | cakehero | ok cool |
| 01:22.50 | cakehero | aside from some jerk trying to get in it doesn't have any errors |
| 01:23.10 | cakehero | It's trying to send the key: debug1: Trying private key: /Users/dkullmann/.ssh/id_dsa |
| 01:23.15 | cakehero | (that's from ssh -v) |
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| 01:26.06 | woshty | cakehero: no "Authentication refused:" anywhere? |
| 01:26.45 | cakehero | woshty I get this with ssh -vvv |
| 01:26.46 | cakehero | no such identity: /Users/dkullmann/.ssh/id_dsa <--- |
| 01:26.50 | cakehero | dkullmann is my user on my local machine |
| 01:26.54 | cakehero | root is the user I'm SSHing as |
| 01:27.00 | crazygir | hello! anyone able to view videos on ustream.tv? I can play yt/etc just fine, but select streams won't load in any browser.. suggesting codec issues? |
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| 01:28.42 | cakehero | let me bin the output of ssh -v woshty |
| 01:28.50 | pfred1 | crazygir it works here |
| 01:28.51 | cakehero | http://bin.cakephp.org/view/430191092 <-- |
| 01:29.02 | cakehero | (I have a RSA key, not DSA) |
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| 01:30.45 | crazygir | pfred1: have you done/added anything 'special' to your system in terms of codecs/etc |
| 01:30.49 | crazygir | which browser? |
| 01:31.26 | pfred1 | crazygir I use SeaMonkey/2.0.14 |
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| 01:32.39 | pfred1 | crazygir I was watching Timcast: #MillionHoodieMarch the guy needs his head examined |
| 01:33.09 | cakehero | thats hilarious |
| 01:33.16 | Craigwd_2000 | Whatever happened to the AMD64 Wheezy LXDE/Fluxbox hybrid Desktop/s environment...? The last build I burned didn' |
| 01:33.31 | Craigwd_2000 | t really work & crapped out mid-way through the install... |
| 01:33.44 | pfred1 | "ah, I'll be switching to higher video quality as soon as I have a 4g network ..." |
| 01:33.51 | Craigwd_2000 | didn't really work* |
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| 01:36.14 | woshty | cakehero: i get "debug1: Server accepts key:" directly after the offering if i run ssh -v .. are zou sure there is absolutely nothing logged at the server side of things. can you maybe increase loglevel serverside? and btw: can you log in as root with your password? |
| 01:36.32 | cakehero | woshty With password: yes |
| 01:36.35 | cakehero | So I logged in as root |
| 01:36.43 | cakehero | and then I enabled SSHD to run in debug mode on an alternate port |
| 01:36.48 | cakehero | (to get more logging from the server) |
| 01:36.51 | cakehero | checking it now |
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| 01:37.40 | woshty | cakehero: i always run into problem, but usually it is cut and paste error or access right to dirs or sth like that .. easy to track down |
| 01:37.58 | cakehero | woshty just looks like the public key is failing |
| 01:38.11 | cakehero | i guess it's possible i set it incorrectly more than once.... |
| 01:38.13 | cakehero | woshty http://bin.cakephp.org/view/841846964 |
| 01:38.21 | pfred1 | ssh is too james bond for me I'm lucky if I can get telnet to work |
| 01:40.01 | cakehero | fixed - careless error on my part |
| 01:40.08 | Craigwd_2000 | I just recently tried AMD64 Wheezy with KDE 4 but I think purging & re-installing ALSA may be the only fix for my hda-intel issues... My googling way back when never led to any concrete solutions so I'm back here hoping somebody knows which command to use (sorry but I keep forgetting which packages to purge...). |
| 01:40.19 | cakehero | i had made a bad key, then, i switched over to a good key buy I must have named the files incorrectly |
| 01:40.22 | cakehero | oops |
| 01:40.45 | pfred1 | Craigwd_2000 I never got my intel sound to work either I ended up tossing an old soundblaster card in |
| 01:41.13 | woshty | cakehero: at least it works .. AND you know why :) |
| 01:41.29 | cakehero | yep |
| 01:41.44 | dvs | Craigwd_2000: alsactl init ? |
| 01:41.48 | pfred1 | Craigwd_2000 I figured I'd blown it up on the motherboard plugging it in wrong or something |
| 01:43.06 | gnarface | Craigwd_2000: my experience with hda-intel issues suggests you just need to find the right module options. the supposed "auto-detection" doesn't work for shit. specifically you'll be interested in the module parameters model, enable_msi, and position_fix |
| 01:43.36 | gnarface | Craigwd_2000: (sadly the kernel source is the only current documentation on the available options for said parameters) |
| 01:43.38 | woshty | Craigwd_2000: what issues? recent hardware? |
| 01:43.51 | pfred1 | gnarface I never ever heard a peep out of that system ever I probably gave up on software configuration too soon |
| 01:44.33 | gnarface | pfred1: the driver just probably picked the wrong port to output sound and you just naively assumed that the only sensible place to plug in your speakers/headphones was the one physically marked as the primary output |
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| 01:45.05 | Craigwd_2000 | I had it working right earlier but I just can't remember which ALSA stuff I had to purge & re-install... Dvs: the last time it happened it literally felt like apt failed to fully configure Wheezy's ALSA so alsactl init may not work right here... Basically whenever I log-on KDE 4 plays a somewhat corrupted sounding Welcome to KDE 4 intro music... |
| 01:45.14 | pfred1 | gnarface yeah there were a lot of different plug combinations as i can recall the header off the motherboard I couldn't figure it out |
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| 01:45.51 | pfred1 | gnarface getting the intel video accelerated was hard enough by hten I wasn't in the mood for another puzzle |
| 01:45.59 | Craigwd_2000 | KDE 4 intro sound...* |
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| 01:47.05 | gnarface | pfred1: i had an onboard that had 5.1/7.1 capabilities with digital out and but i use the 6-headphone-jack setup, model=6stack-dig worked for that then position_fix=1put them in the right order |
| 01:47.37 | pfred1 | gnarface yup that is what i have on that box was if yo uwant one thing plug one header in if yo uwant the other plug in another |
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| 01:48.41 | pfred1 | gnarface so between 2 plugs and 6 jacks I never found the winning combination |
| 01:49.01 | Craigwd_2000 | This PC's ACPI controller just crashed on me the other day too...; every so often I find it necessary to take out the battery, turn it on with the power button held for about 16 seconds, unplug it, put the battery back in & allow it to boot normally again... Very weird ACPI voodoo/issues here... |
| 01:50.04 | gnarface | pfred1: took me 2 weeks straight but part of the complication was that i didn't understand how to configure alsa yet properly to share the card amongst multiple programs (some playing some recording) for soundcards that lack hardware mixing capabilities (which mine does - maybe ALL hda-intel based ones? not sure) |
| 01:50.08 | pfred1 | gnarface on the bright side i have surround sound and everything with the soundblaster card |
| 01:50.48 | gnarface | pfred1: yea pretty much every creative labs card ever made has hardware mixing out the wazoo, that eliminates a ton of configuration complications especially if your window manager itself also tries to grab the soundcard |
| 01:50.49 | woshty | mine just works |
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| 01:51.55 | gnarface | if you're doing surround-sound (5.1 and above) there have been bugs with the soundblaster live driver that get the ports out of order on some oem revisions of the cards though |
| 01:52.21 | gnarface | so using those cards hasn't always completely escaped complication |
| 01:52.28 | pfred1 | gnarface I can't remember but if i want to put in a video card having that PCI slot occupied may limit my choices |
| 01:53.03 | pfred1 | video adapters are out of control today |
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| 01:53.37 | gnarface | some would say they have been since the first voodoo 1 |
| 01:53.47 | pfred1 | nah i loved my voodoo 1 |
| 01:54.10 | gnarface | but i'd have to agree that 2-slot cards with external power requirements showes a marked lack of restraint at the design end |
| 01:54.22 | gnarface | engineers should know better |
| 01:54.29 | pfred1 | yeah those are right out unless i get a new power supply |
| 01:54.46 | pfred1 | but evne the single slot cards some of them are huge |
| 01:54.50 | gnarface | i have to run open case cause the card won't fit behind the side panel |
| 01:54.53 | gnarface | *sigh* |
| 01:55.16 | Craigwd_2000 | So is there an unofficial AMD64 Wheezy build with the LXDE/Fluxbox desktop environment available...? |
| 01:55.30 | pfred1 | and I can't figure out what level card i need not to have less than the onboard which isn't all that bad really |
| 01:56.01 | Turl | Craigwd_2000: can't you use the official one? |
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| 01:56.31 | pfred1 | gnarface I like to play GL Quake |
| 01:57.01 | Craigwd_2000 | Turl: Where do you get it...? All of my googling has revealed there to be no recent builds available... |
| 01:57.21 | Turl | Craigwd_2000: well, install debian and then install lxde or fluxbox? |
| 01:57.30 | abrotman | Craigwd_2000: why can't you install as regular then install what yo uwant? |
| 01:58.51 | Craigwd_2000 | It's a specialty hybrid joined at the hip build which I don't know the package/meta-package name for & in the past attempting to switch desktops on Wheezy never has seemed to work right for me anyways... |
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| 02:00.23 | woshty | abrotman: can you help me with my sudo/gksudo issues? i dont seem to be able to get it to work without xhost. is xhost +SI.localuser.user evil? +localhost wont work either btw. |
| 02:00.25 | Turl | Craigwd_2000: don't install any desktop then? |
| 02:00.48 | Turl | lxde is the metapackage |
| 02:00.57 | gnarface | pfred1: fyi they open sourced 2 and 3 now as well. rumor has it they're open sourcing 4 soon last i heard (maybe they did already... now that i thihnk of it i heard that rumor months ago) |
| 02:01.01 | Turl | there's a task too for tasksel to install lxde |
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| 02:01.21 | pfred1 | gnarface I have 2 installed but i don't like it as much as the original |
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| 02:01.42 | Craigwd_2000 | It's a LXDE/Fluxbox hybrid...; it's not pure LXDE... |
| 02:01.43 | pfred1 | gnarface lately I've been trying to get a map editor to work |
| 02:01.44 | gnarface | pfred1: for me its all about multiplayer and mods - #2 had definitely all the best mods |
| 02:02.00 | pfred1 | gnarface oh I don't know i got some mad Q1 mods |
| 02:02.06 | gnarface | it was good too |
| 02:02.21 | gnarface | there was a steep dropoff in community participation after that though |
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| 02:02.30 | gnarface | i blame unreal tournament |
| 02:02.30 | pfred1 | gnarface yeah it is a ghostwotn |
| 02:02.42 | pfred1 | gnarface I play single player games though |
| 02:03.06 | pfred1 | gnarface I'm in it for the scenery |
| 02:03.28 | pfred1 | gnarface I just started a new one in fact called travail its cool |
| 02:04.37 | Craigwd_2000 | I'm unable to install LXDE too because my Net Install CD lacks that particular alternate desktop option anyways... |
| 02:04.53 | gnarface | pfred1: got a url? google gives me massive name collision |
| 02:05.06 | pfred1 | sec let me find link |
| 02:06.26 | samantha-r- | question about a socks or other web proxy ala dante: i need to put a web proxy up on an open, public port, and restrict use to authorized users only (duh). authorized users will come in from random IPs. is this possible? |
| 02:06.48 | pfred1 | gnarface http://quakeone.com/travail/ |
| 02:07.00 | gnarface | pfred1: thanks |
| 02:07.02 | pfred1 | gnarface I run the darkplaces engine |
| 02:07.38 | gnarface | samantha-r-: super possible, with a vpn. although i'd imagine there are authenticated proxies if you don't care as much about security (and maybe even if you do... i frankly know fuck all about proxies, i detest them) |
| 02:08.29 | samantha-r- | gnarface: vpn is sub-optimal. i only want web traffic, not all traffic, driven through the proxy. also, the user's connection will be unreliable at best, meaning tear-down-setup on a vpn will be a huge pita after every, frequent, reset |
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| 02:09.34 | gnarface | samantha-r-: using a openvpn precludes neither of those concerns |
| 02:09.48 | gnarface | samantha-r-: (properly configured, of course) |
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| 02:10.03 | samantha-r- | the problem with openvpn is that it requires a bit of user experience. i don't have physical access to the machine, and the user is an idiot. :) |
| 02:10.25 | pfred1 | samantha-r I resemble that remark! |
| 02:10.59 | gnarface | samantha-r-: well, there are gui front-ends for win32 and various os-x, but i can understand that if cooperation is at a premium, you may want something browser-based. unfortunately i don't have any specific advice on that, i only know its completely possible |
| 02:11.55 | gnarface | samantha-r-: fwiw though there are ways to get around physical access to the machine too, if said user trusts you enough to let you remote in with rdp or vnc or the like (on a mac you may only need ssh) |
| 02:12.18 | samantha-r- | gnarface, i could rdp in but we're back to unreliable connection |
| 02:12.39 | samantha-r- | preferably, i would have the user authorized via a self-signed ssl certificate or something |
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| 02:13.00 | gnarface | samantha-r-: you'd run openvpn in tcp mode with lzo compression then instead of udp mode - it becomes quite resiliant against packet loss at that point, more so than a bare http connection in many cases, actually |
| 02:13.03 | samantha-r- | so once i get it installed, they forget about it |
| 02:13.19 | samantha-r- | gnarface, yes but it doesn't survive an ip reset from the upstream |
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| 02:13.45 | gnarface | samantha-r-: it reconnects itself on 60 second intervals (by default - configurable) i believe in that case |
| 02:14.19 | gnarface | samantha-r-: i'm SURE there's gotta be a proxy that will just let the user authenticate through their browser with a client ssl cert though. i'm sure that's gotta exist, i just don't know what its called. |
| 02:14.37 | samantha-r- | neither do i. i sure wish i did, or where to ask |
| 02:14.39 | sistematico | Good evening everyone, when I start Debian, GRUB appears, when I restart it does not appear. |
| 02:14.44 | sistematico | Why? |
| 02:15.05 | gnarface | samantha-r-: i'd write it myself in php likely. |
| 02:15.20 | samantha-r- | gnarface, i'm an admin, not a dev. it's a drawback. |
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| 02:15.56 | gnarface | samantha-r-: patience anyway will help you here. hang out in this channel and ask again every few hours. someone inevitably knows the answer to your question. they're probably just sleeping/eating/getting piss-assed drunk right now |
| 02:15.59 | kd123 | sistematico, can you explain more? Did you edit your hard drive? |
| 02:16.59 | kd123 | like delete the MBR? |
| 02:17.02 | sistematico | kd123: On cold boot, it appears, on reboot not! |
| 02:17.25 | sistematico | kd123: Fresh Install, Debian 6.0.3 32 bits. |
| 02:17.29 | gnarface | samantha-r-: you may even want to consider looking through apache docs on how to configure it to demand a client certificate - what you're asking may actually be possible natively in apache just at server+browser config level for all i know |
| 02:17.38 | kd123 | does it stall after reboot? when grub doesn't appear? |
| 02:17.55 | sistematico | My grub config: http://paste.debian.net/160500/ |
| 02:18.06 | gnarface | samantha-r-: apache is capable of all kinds of shit it's not supposed to be capable of |
| 02:18.14 | pfred1 | I don't understand grub2 too well |
| 02:18.37 | sistematico | kd123: The restart is normal, but GRUB does not appear! |
| 02:18.51 | Turl | sistematico: maybe you have kexec set up? |
| 02:19.00 | sistematico | Turl: I dont know! |
| 02:19.09 | pfred1 | what is kexec? |
| 02:19.21 | Turl | kexec is stuff to skip bios |
| 02:19.28 | sistematico | Turl: How to check? |
| 02:19.38 | sistematico | hummm |
| 02:19.43 | Turl | sistematico: easiest way is to check if you see your bios doing POST on reboot |
| 02:20.03 | sistematico | Turl: dpkg -l | grep kexec? |
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| 02:20.29 | pfred1 | sounds like something in the kernel to me |
| 02:20.34 | Turl | that'd work too |
| 02:20.35 | samantha-r- | gnarface, i've been trying to figure out if i can make squid do it but the squid docs are almost as bad as sendmail config files |
| 02:20.43 | Turl | pfred1: indeed, it boots linux from linux |
| 02:21.07 | Turl | kernel exec iirc :) |
| 02:21.30 | gnarface | samantha-r-: the apache docs are much better and i know it does both client certificate authentication as well as proxying+reverse proxies so i'd imagine it'd be possible to string that together to do exactly what you want |
| 02:21.42 | sistematico | Turl: On reboot, bios does not appear too. |
| 02:22.10 | pfred1 | sistematico how come you're rebooting? |
| 02:22.11 | Turl | sistematico: you must have kexec then, but it doesn't come preinstalled by default |
| 02:22.16 | gnarface | samantha-r-: the down side is you might have to grok regexp to a certain degree to make full use of it |
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| 02:22.30 | sistematico | If i power off, and power on, GRUB appears. |
| 02:22.38 | Turl | sistematico: check apt-cache policy kexec-tools |
| 02:22.50 | sistematico | Very strange. |
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| 02:23.17 | gnarface | samantha-r-: (not the user, just you the administrator) |
| 02:23.49 | Turl | sistematico: is it installed? |
| 02:23.52 | sistematico | Turl: http://paste.debian.net/160597/ |
| 02:24.08 | Turl | yeah you have kesex |
| 02:24.10 | sistematico | I think so |
| 02:24.11 | Turl | kexec* |
| 02:24.19 | sistematico | Pros? |
| 02:24.26 | Turl | sistematico: shorter reboots |
| 02:24.32 | Turl | as you skip bios |
| 02:24.43 | abrotman | kexec shuld avoid reboots |
| 02:24.55 | sistematico | hmmmm |
| 02:24.56 | Turl | if you want to disable it |
| 02:24.57 | Turl | edit /etc/default/kexec |
| 02:24.59 | abrotman | uh, sorry .. that's ksplice :) |
| 02:25.03 | sistematico | For server, i think? |
| 02:25.06 | Turl | and set LOAD_KEXEC to false |
| 02:25.11 | sistematico | Servers.. |
| 02:25.16 | Turl | sistematico: yeah, but it works on desktops too. I use it on my laptop |
| 02:25.41 | sistematico | Turl: Im using a NetBook with Debian :D |
| 02:25.53 | sistematico | Im from Brasil. |
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| 02:26.05 | sistematico | Sorry for my English. |
| 02:26.08 | Turl | I'm from argentina :) |
| 02:26.25 | pfred1 | I can't get my Wi-Fi to connect using Debian if I don't use gnome's network manager |
| 02:26.28 | sistematico | Turl: Entende português? |
| 02:26.30 | sistematico | heh |
| 02:27.02 | Turl | sistematico: poco :P |
| 02:27.23 | sistematico | heh |
| 02:27.28 | sistematico | *Pouco |
| 02:27.31 | sistematico | Turl: Apparently you're a great expert in Debian! |
| 02:27.32 | Turl | :) |
| 02:27.45 | sistematico | Turl: Apparently you solve my problem. |
| 02:27.50 | sistematico | I dont know! |
| 02:27.51 | sistematico | heh |
| 02:28.02 | Turl | sistematico: do you want to disable it? |
| 02:28.27 | sistematico | Turl: Yes! Im using Arch Linux + Debian. |
| 02:28.34 | Turl | edit /etc/default/kexec and set LOAD_KEXEC to false, and save the file |
| 02:28.40 | sistematico | And i need switch many times :P |
| 02:28.46 | Turl | and I think you'll need to rebuild your initramfs too, so run "sudo /usr/sbin/update-initramfs -k all -u" |
| 02:28.48 | sistematico | ok! |
| 02:28.54 | sistematico | hummmm |
| 02:28.59 | sistematico | Nice tip.. |
| 02:29.01 | sistematico | heh |
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| 02:29.21 | pfred1 | sistematico what does Arch do that Debian doesn't? |
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| 02:30.05 | Turl | pfred1: break </joke> |
| 02:30.07 | nomasteryoda | oh no not an arch vs debian battle |
| 02:30.10 | nomasteryoda | =D |
| 02:30.10 | Turl | :P |
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| 02:30.20 | sistematico | pfred1: Headache. |
| 02:30.33 | pfred1 | nomasteryoda to me Linux is Linux any distro can do what any other distro does or can be made to |
| 02:30.37 | sistematico | nomasteryoda: No no! =] |
| 02:30.37 | nomasteryoda | i have arch, debian and mint on this 780dx ... |
| 02:30.41 | nomasteryoda | i use them all |
| 02:30.47 | nomasteryoda | except pure ubuntu |
| 02:30.54 | nomasteryoda | which i have grown to hate |
| 02:31.06 | nomasteryoda | my compiz works best in debian though |
| 02:31.07 | foxtrot9 | is there a command line to tell debian to suspend/sleep? i'm trying to create a shortcut on the desktop to do this |
| 02:31.07 | pfred1 | nomasteryoda I just use whatever and make it do what I want it to |
| 02:31.16 | nomasteryoda | yup exactly |
| 02:31.25 | nomasteryoda | like my arch has some aur pkgs |
| 02:31.32 | nomasteryoda | but only those i have checked out |
| 02:31.45 | nomasteryoda | none of this ppa crappa |
| 02:31.47 | somiaj | foxtrot9: if you isntall pm-utils, you can use pm-suspend, pm-hibernate or pm-suspend-hybrid |
| 02:32.21 | sistematico | pfred1: Simple and Lightweight Linux Distribution. |
| 02:32.40 | sistematico | pfred1: But Debian IMHO is a "TOP" distro. |
| 02:32.41 | foxtrot9 | somiaj, i hear you can do it with acpitool -s |
| 02:32.55 | pfred1 | sistematico they try hard |
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| 02:33.20 | somiaj | foxtrot9: pm-utils just have scripts that does more than just put the machine into suspend (or hibernate) |
| 02:33.21 | sistematico | Great Devs, Great Community. |
| 02:33.43 | foxtrot9 | somiaj, ok thanks |
| 02:33.45 | nomasteryoda | they do so much for the community as a whole |
| 02:33.53 | nomasteryoda | and we appreciate it |
| 02:33.58 | somiaj | foxtrot9: but yes if you want you can just put it into suspend directly like that |
| 02:34.07 | somiaj | foxtrot9: I use pm-suspend |
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| 02:34.26 | foxtrot9 | somiaj, what is the difference between pm-suspend and pm-suspend-hybrid |
| 02:34.28 | nomasteryoda | i have my xbmc suspend and awake with remote |
| 02:34.46 | pfred1 | notebooks are a nightmare I have issues with mine |
| 02:35.14 | sistematico | But what really attracted me to the Debian was the tradition and stability, I was and still an Arch user. |
| 02:35.26 | Turl | foxtrot9: hybrid is like suspend+hibernate as far as I know |
| 02:35.43 | somiaj | foxtrot9: the second one will write a hibernate image and write it to the swap partition, so if for any reason your batery runs out of power, you can still recover from disk hibernation |
| 02:35.47 | sistematico | I dont have any issue with Debian, but a lot with Arch :] |
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| 02:36.37 | foxtrot9 | somiaj, ah that is nice and clear, thanks a lot |
| 02:37.12 | sistematico | My first issue is kexec, but apparently Turl solved for me. |
| 02:37.19 | sistematico | solve or solved? |
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| 02:37.29 | nomasteryoda | salved even |
| 02:37.36 | somiaj | foxtrot9: it takes longer to suspend (because it writes the hibernate image first) but it resotres as fast as a supsend if you didn't need the hibernated backup |
| 02:38.21 | pfred1 | boot time is pretty fast for me if I do it |
| 02:38.26 | Turl | good night all! :) |
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| 02:39.16 | sistematico | How to change GRUB2 Debian label? |
| 02:39.16 | gantry | Anyone here familiar with add-apt-repository? |
| 02:39.38 | pfred1 | a 1 GHz P3 coming up in 16 seconds: http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/2250/wedoct27bootchart.png |
| 02:40.01 | nomasteryoda | nice |
| 02:40.10 | pfred1 | stock it took 22 |
| 02:40.45 | pfred1 | my i3 comes up in 5 seconds |
| 02:40.54 | nomasteryoda | wow |
| 02:40.59 | nomasteryoda | i need to tweak mine |
| 02:41.04 | nomasteryoda | it's an i7 |
| 02:41.09 | pfred1 | yeah I can't sit down before it is going |
| 02:41.27 | gantry | where do we submit bugs for apt-get? |
| 02:41.34 | gantry | is it a debian product? |
| 02:41.34 | nomasteryoda | tinycore boots in about 5 seconds i a vm |
| 02:41.37 | nomasteryoda | for me |
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| 02:41.52 | karlpinc | !tell gantry about bts |
| 02:42.15 | karlpinc | !tell gantry about reportbug |
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| 02:42.45 | karlpinc | nomasteryoda: The right tweak is to get a ssd. With that and insserv boot times are blazing. |
| 02:43.13 | pfred1 | yeah I have been looking at SSDs |
| 02:43.19 | sistematico | pfred1: In Arch Linux exists Kernel CK, PF, etc., and Debian? What can I do to improve the speed? |
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| 02:43.45 | pfred1 | sistematico I DL vanilla kernel off kernel.org then build it he debian way |
| 02:43.46 | gantry | karlpinc, I can't install reportbug |
| 02:43.58 | sistematico | oh |
| 02:44.13 | sistematico | Too hard for me :) |
| 02:44.17 | gantry | karlpinc, I'm installing it now |
| 02:44.17 | pfred1 | sistematico because one size fits none! |
| 02:44.21 | karlpinc | !tell sistematico about make-kpkg |
| 02:44.37 | pfred1 | sistematico yeah if you build it the debian way you get multiple cracks at getting it right |
| 02:44.47 | karlpinc | pfred1: That's debateable. How long did you spend to shave how many seconds off your boot time? |
| 02:44.56 | sistematico | Im searching for: http://sistematico.no-ip.biz |
| 02:45.09 | pfred1 | karlpinc I didn't do it for that reason that was just a nice side effect |
| 02:45.21 | nsadmin | sistematico, telling your brain that... your brain will obey... and things like that will continue to be hard |
| 02:45.59 | pfred1 | karlpinc I shaved about 10000ns off my latency |
| 02:46.07 | sistematico | Good point nsadmin. |
| 02:46.52 | nomasteryoda | karlpinc, yup a fried has the same system and ssd III and boots windoze in 10 sec |
| 02:46.54 | karlpinc | sistematico: Well, it does take time for a deep understanding. But then how many of us really understand the quantom meachanics behind the semiconductors anyway? |
| 02:47.05 | nsadmin | when someone told me I might have to rebuild my kernel the first time, I thought it was impossible |
| 02:47.13 | pfred1 | nomasteryoda they're catching up to us! |
| 02:47.20 | sistematico | nsadmin: But I'm not much new to Debian.. >:) |
| 02:47.21 | nomasteryoda | hehe Nevar! |
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| 02:47.33 | nsadmin | this is when there was no xconfig, no menuconfig |
| 02:47.40 | pfred1 | nomasteryoda my 5 second box is just a plain sata |
| 02:48.01 | nomasteryoda | hmm, well i need to do some tweaks |
| 02:48.04 | nsadmin | ohly that long list of questions that if anything happened in the middle, no choice but to start over |
| 02:48.07 | sistematico | nsadmin: Like OpenBSD? |
| 02:48.11 | nomasteryoda | i have 2 640g drives in this laptop |
| 02:48.21 | sistematico | rc.conf or soomething.. |
| 02:48.25 | nomasteryoda | but only 5400rpm |
| 02:48.28 | pfred1 | nomasteryoda it is a custom kernel because i needed my video accelerated but I didn't really do any performance tuning to it |
| 02:48.29 | nsadmin | I never build openbsd kernel so I don't know |
| 02:48.34 | nomasteryoda | rc.conf yes |
| 02:48.41 | nsadmin | I mean the kernel source config |
| 02:48.58 | pfred1 | nomasteryoda I took karlpinc's outlook I was like 5 seconds why waste my time? |
| 02:48.59 | sistematico | nsadmin: http://www.forumdebian.com.br/usuario-sistematico |
| 02:49.01 | nsadmin | the thing you do to pick drivers and certain behaviors |
| 02:49.05 | sistematico | its me.. |
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| 02:49.31 | nomasteryoda | but then again i only reboot when i need to test windows games =D |
| 02:49.42 | nomasteryoda | finding that less and less often |
| 02:49.50 | pfred1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:49.52 | sistematico | Some kind of Debian Veteran! aheiaeuaheiaeuaheiaeuaehiaeuaeah |
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| 02:50.05 | pfred1 | I only reboot when my power ocmpany decides it is time for me to |
| 02:50.11 | sistematico | I'm just kidding |
| 02:50.23 | nomasteryoda | pfred1, nice |
| 02:50.29 | nsadmin | I often test games |
| 02:50.34 | nsadmin | for long hours |
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| 02:50.48 | sistematico | Thank you all! |
| 02:51.04 | sistematico | I'm leaving |
| 02:51.15 | nomasteryoda | my servers which are debian mint and debian with xbmc and mpd/ampache were on for about 6mo until power outage |
| 02:51.33 | abrotman | there is #debian-offtopic for idle chit chat |
| 02:51.44 | pfred1 | nsadmin I've been having a heck of a time getting GTKradiant to work with Q1 maps |
| 02:51.57 | nomasteryoda | abrotman, yeah sounding like butunt |
| 02:51.58 | nomasteryoda | u |
| 02:52.01 | nomasteryoda | =D |
| 02:52.37 | nomasteryoda | but alas, i respect the design of the channel ... |
| 02:52.42 | nomasteryoda | gn folks |
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| 02:53.37 | pfred1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:54.07 | nsadmin | pfred1 what's that? |
| 02:54.28 | pfred1 | nsadmin GTKradiant? |
| 02:54.36 | nsadmin | yeah |
| 02:54.54 | abrotman | pfred1: please don't argue |
| 02:54.56 | pfred1 | nsadmin GTKradiant is a Quake level mapper |
| 02:55.14 | pfred1 | abrotman oh I'm not that would suggest you've a position |
| 02:55.16 | nsadmin | which quake? |
| 02:55.38 | abrotman | pfred1: i do, the topic in this channel is Debian *support* .. |
| 02:55.39 | pfred1 | abrotman I was merely informing you |
| 02:55.47 | abrotman | pfred1: and I'm informing you |
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| 02:56.08 | nsadmin | so much information going on! exciting times! |
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| 03:29.27 | Mr_Queue | That would be a good one and popular.. |
| 03:29.40 | Mr_Queue | Hit the books and WordPress it yourself. lol |
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| 03:32.48 | kd123 | During boot GDM3 falis to load and it says "Starting GNOME Display Manager: gdm3[6.692026] ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): wlan1: link is not ready." |
| 03:33.05 | kd123 | Anyone have any ideas what the issue is? |
| 03:33.21 | kd123 | I have two wireless cards installed |
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| 03:38.14 | kd123 | well... I removed both wireless cards and GDM still doesn't start |
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| 03:39.16 | kd123 | it says "Starting GNOME Display Manager: gdm3" but it doesn't start |
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| 03:40.34 | kd123 | Ok.... so I issue the command "gdm3 start" and it says... "Warning **: Failed to acquire org.gnome.DisplayManager" |
| 03:40.55 | kd123 | and "Warning **: Could not acquire name; bailing out" |
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| 03:59.20 | Mr_Queue | kd123: what's new about this? |
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| 04:02.19 | acx0 | I just updated libpcre3 on debian sid and it seems like it removed libpcre.so.3 from my system as barely any programs will run. Do I just wait for another update? |
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| 04:06.02 | somiaj | acx0: your running sid, check the bts. Was libpcre.so.3 just a linke to the actual file, maybe it just didn't create a link...if you have an older version of the lib in your /var/cache/apt/archives you should downgrade to a nonbroken one |
| 04:06.23 | dondelelcaro | acx0: either install the older version, or symlink it yourself, or ... |
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| 04:07.08 | zenithzephyr | I can't find gmcs.exe |
| 04:07.24 | zenithzephyr | compiling mono |
| 04:07.46 | acx0 | somiaj: I just tried file $(locate libpcre.so.3) and it gave me no such file or directory errors; I'm guessing if it was a symlink, it would just say broken symlink |
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| 04:11.34 | acx0 | it looks like wheezy is still using the version that I just upgraded from; how would I go about downloading that .deb file? |
| 04:12.31 | acx0 | nevermind, figured it out |
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| 04:32.32 | gantry | Is there anyone who understands how add-apt-repository works? |
| 04:33.04 | gantry | any of the 1146 people? |
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| 04:33.10 | gantry | anyone? |
| 04:35.59 | FluxD | Ask your question and wait |
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| 04:52.18 | schoen | howdy. I had an install question: I'm installing to not-the-first-hard drive, and the GRUB installer just seems to want to install only to sda |
| 04:52.32 | schoen | Is there any way I can tell the installer to install to sdb? Or what's the process to install GRUB manually? |
| 04:54.22 | schoen | anybodeh here? |
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| 05:01.26 | schoen | nobody? |
| 05:01.34 | Jeremiah1 | me? |
| 05:01.46 | schoen | ohai |
| 05:01.51 | schoen | can joo help me with my install question? |
| 05:03.51 | schoen | no... :( |
| 05:04.11 | Jeremiah1 | tws |
| 05:04.13 | Jeremiah1 | i can help |
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| 05:04.21 | schoen | tws? |
| 05:04.26 | Jeremiah1 | what s do you need to know |
| 05:04.29 | schoen | i'll repeat the question |
| 05:04.31 | Jeremiah1 | yes |
| 05:04.40 | schoen | Is there any way I can tell the installer to install to sdb? Or what's the process to install GRUB manually? |
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| 05:05.14 | Jeremiah1 | i know that debian comes with grub |
| 05:05.39 | schoen | heh. yeah. my primary HD isn't SDA, and there are no bootable partitions, so GRUB installer is like "NOO!" |
| 05:06.10 | Jeremiah1 | well you gotta have something |
| 05:06.17 | Jeremiah1 | do you already have an operating system? |
| 05:06.32 | r0b | did you try # update-grub |
| 05:07.20 | Jeremiah1 | r0b will be better help i only know how to install debian |
| 05:07.57 | r0b | ducks |
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| 05:10.50 | JasonWoof | anybody managed to get a video chat working (eg with empathy or pidgin) with the remote person using google video chat plugin? |
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| 05:14.02 | JasonWoof | Audio chat works with me using empathy, but when I do a video call, I get a little bit of audio (a second or two) he sees and hears me for a short time, and then I get error messages |
| 05:14.08 | JasonWoof | and empathy disconnects |
| 05:14.24 | JasonWoof | the error messages are mostly incomprehensible, but seem to be about codecs |
| 05:14.34 | JasonWoof | but I've got the codecs installed |
| 05:15.35 | JasonWoof | google shows me all sorts of people having similar problems, and the people who say they have it working are calling someone who's also running empathy |
| 05:15.47 | JasonWoof | (which also makes me think it might be a codec issue) |
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| 05:17.54 | zzing | Is there any way I can tell aptitude to install whatever it recommends on an aptitude safe-upgrade? |
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| 05:20.00 | JasonWoof | oop, sorry, I forgot I didn't have this channel auto-reconnecting. hit me again if I missed a response |
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| 05:21.52 | lcc | is it possible to download apps from debian-next into debian? |
| 05:22.14 | lcc | My wifi card is only supported by an app in debian-next, but I want to use the stable version of debian. |
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| 05:29.17 | fredl | good morning :) |
| 05:30.25 | fredl | I've configured the courier authdaemon to write debugging info... it's supposed to use the syslog debug file but /var/log/debug remains empty. |
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| 05:32.37 | fredl | oopsie, fixed |
| 05:32.55 | nsadmin | what was it? |
| 05:33.25 | fredl | well the rsyslog.conf mistakenly led me to believe debugging would go to /var/log/debug |
| 05:33.38 | nyingen | lcc: it is possible, but maybe not advisable |
| 05:33.45 | fredl | so I tried logger -p mail.debug test to see where it goes :) |
| 05:34.20 | fredl | and it goes to /var/log/mail.log, interestingly |
| 05:34.29 | lcc | nyingen: I only want to do this for one program. |
| 05:34.41 | lcc | I don't think it has many dependencies. |
| 05:39.01 | nyingen | lcc: well, many people will tell you not to do it, but I did it for years with few problems, though eventually I had to reinstall the system |
| 05:39.37 | nyingen | lcc: btw, which app are you talking about? usually, wireless cards are supported by the kernel or a firmware driver |
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| 05:42.03 | hanasaki | have a good site that explains options standards for lvm partitions? can you boot off lvm? |
| 05:42.23 | hanasaki | is lvm ok to layer on top of a raid or software mdadm raid? |
| 05:42.28 | lcc | nyingen: http://wiki.debian.org/wl |
| 05:42.56 | lcc | broadcom-sta |
| 05:43.24 | lcc | I have a bcm43227 card |
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| 05:44.05 | lcc | I want to use debian squeeze. |
| 05:44.54 | nyingen | squeeze is already the current 'stable' release though, so why not just install that? |
| 05:45.01 | nyingen | or did you mean 'wheezy'? |
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| 05:45.43 | lcc | nyingen: yes, but my card is only supported by wheezy. |
| 05:45.57 | lcc | wait, wheezy is debian-next while squeeze is debian-stable right? |
| 05:46.30 | nyingen | right |
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| 05:46.40 | nyingen | aka 'testing' |
| 05:47.46 | lcc | nyingen: yes, I want to use squeeze, but add wireless support for my laptop. |
| 05:48.06 | lcc | wheezy is the only version that lists support for my wireless device. |
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| 05:48.47 | nyingen | lcc: http://serverfault.com/questions/22414/how-can-i-run-debian-stable-but-install-some-packages-from-testing |
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| 05:50.49 | lcc | ok |
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| 06:43.49 | smeraldo94 | !list |
| 06:43.50 | dpkg | smeraldo94: È possibile di scaricare un sacco di software libero puntando il tuo browser a http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-6.0.4-amd64-i386-netinst.iso ! |
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| 07:32.50 | cjey | I wrote a package A which uses a virtual package. the virtual package has 2 concrete packages B or C, while install A, the system always select B, and do not provide a choice between B or C. How can I add a selection menu into the deb package? |
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| 07:35.23 | VanDerSpar | Does this line look anything like wrong anywhere? http://pastebin.com/E6WNcGbC |
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| 07:36.24 | jelly-home | cjey: you can't. Your dependency should take form of Depends: C | virtual, if C is what you deem a better choice for people that don't know better |
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| 07:38.19 | cjey | hm... but while installing the system, I always get prompted for example, to install xine or totem, or choose between different pdf/postscript libraries. |
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| 07:38.59 | rwp | cjey, Prompted how? I don't get prompted for those and I install a lot of systems. |
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| 07:39.22 | rwp | But basically jelly-home is correct in the answer. |
| 07:39.29 | ix_ | hello, my laptop touchpad does not work in testing, but the same settings work in squeeze |
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| 07:39.47 | ix_ | I can show you my xorg.conf |
| 07:39.56 | ix_ | or at least the important part |
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| 07:40.36 | arjun_ | Hi, how would I install VLC media player in Squeeze? |
| 07:40.44 | ix_ | sudo apt-get install vlc |
| 07:40.53 | ix_ | or maybe you don't have sudo |
| 07:41.00 | ix_ | in that case, su |
| 07:41.00 | arjun_ | Version 2 |
| 07:41.05 | ix_ | oh |
| 07:41.14 | arjun_ | :( |
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| 07:41.42 | ix_ | testing has vlc2 |
| 07:41.47 | jelly-home | cjey: what exact command or installer setup do you get that? There's tasksel, but it doesn't go into that much detail |
| 07:41.55 | jelly-home | !tasksel |
| 07:41.55 | dpkg | tasksel is a program to select and install "tasks": a collection of packages for a system to perform a specific task (e.g. desktop environment, web server). Ask me about <standard task>, <server tasks> and <laptop task>. http://wiki.debian.org/tasksel |
| 07:42.07 | gnarface | arjun_, ix_ certainly its in backports? |
| 07:42.17 | ix_ | it's not in backports |
| 07:42.51 | ix_ | arjun_, you can put the testing repo, upgrade vlc, then delete the testing repo, but it's not recommended |
| 07:42.54 | arjun_ | ix_, should I mix testing with stable? |
| 07:43.42 | ix_ | arjun_, http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-apt-get.en.html |
| 07:43.43 | gnarface | arjun_: you should not. the safest and easiest thing to do would be to backport it from sid |
| 07:44.11 | gnarface | arjun_: its not as hard as it sounds (easier by far than compiling from tarballs) |
| 07:44.14 | ix_ | ok, so how can I get my touchpad to work? |
| 07:44.17 | gnarface | dpkg: tell arjun_ about ssb |
| 07:44.35 | arjun_ | OK, thanks gnarface. |
| 07:45.05 | gnarface | no problem |
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| 07:46.54 | arjun_ | I fear because some times 'aptitude build-dep packagename' tries to install a large number of packages. |
| 07:46.55 | gnarface | ix_: i think if you mean by "as something other than a really silly looking mouse" you need to configure xorg to use synaptics instead of the default generic mouse driver or whatever it uses. sorry i've got no further information on that, but someone around here probably does. |
| 07:47.13 | gnarface | arjun_: vlc has a lot of dependencies |
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| 07:47.42 | ix_ | well, the touchpad works, the scoll does not |
| 07:47.50 | gnarface | yea, that's what i mean ix_ |
| 07:47.51 | ix_ | sorry to paste it, but |
| 07:47.52 | ix_ | Section "InputDevice" |
| 07:47.53 | ix_ | Identifier "Synaptics Touchpad" |
| 07:47.53 | ix_ | Driver "synaptics" |
| 07:47.53 | ix_ | Option "SendCoreEvents" "true" |
| 07:47.53 | ix_ | Option "Device" "/dev/psaux" |
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| 07:48.02 | gnarface | !next |
| 07:48.03 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
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| 07:48.20 | gnarface | ix_: if you do that it pisses the bot off |
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| 07:48.33 | ix_ | I know |
| 07:48.54 | ix_ | so what's wrong with that part? |
| 07:48.58 | ix_ | it seems good to me |
| 07:49.07 | gnarface | ix_: i see it looks like you ARE using synaptics, but like i said though, i've got no further information for you. i have not tried what you are trying and i lack the hardware to do so |
| 07:49.41 | ix_ | it worked in squeeze |
| 07:49.50 | gnarface | ix_: sorry. if you do find a good howto i'd love to hear about it though. i'd love to buy me a touchpad if i knew i could get scrolling and double+triple tap and drag lock and all those fancy mac things working |
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| 07:50.10 | gnarface | hmm |
| 07:50.15 | gnarface | sometimes the bot is ridiculously useful |
| 07:50.19 | gnarface | dpkg, synaptics? |
| 07:50.20 | dpkg | Synaptics is an X.org driver for laptop touchpads. Install the xserver-xorg-input-synaptics package and "man synaptics" for driver options; configuration tools include synclient and gpointing-device-settings. Not working? -> "modprobe -r psmouse ; modprobe psmouse". http://wiki.debian.org/SynapticsTouchpad . See also <clickpad>, <trackpoint>. |
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| 07:50.35 | gnarface | shrugs |
| 07:50.39 | jelly-home | ix_: are you sure input device settings in xorg.conf are used _at all_? |
| 07:51.43 | ix_ | http://pastebin.com/RTaKn0Pu |
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| 07:52.37 | ix_ | I took the xorg.conf file from squeeze |
| 07:52.46 | ix_ | which I edited a bit for the scroll part |
| 07:53.03 | ix_ | maybe I should make one here, but I don't expect the scroll to work anyway |
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| 07:53.41 | jelly-home | I think your xorg log will tell you none of the InputDevice sections are used at all |
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| 07:54.20 | jelly-home | that's the default, input is handled by kernel drivers and exposed as /dev/input/ |
| 07:54.34 | ix_ | [ 17.522] (**) SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad: Ignoring device from InputClass "touchpad ignore duplicates" |
| 07:54.45 | jelly-home | and, I think, managed by xserver-xorg-input-evdev |
| 07:55.31 | ix_ | so what do I do? |
| 07:55.51 | jelly-home | !debian-x |
| 07:55.51 | dpkg | The "X Strike Force" takes care of packaging <X.Org> for Debian. http://lists.debian.org/debian-x http://x.debian.net/ #debian-x on irc.oftc.net. See also <xorg config>, <xrandr>. |
| 07:56.13 | jelly-home | ask there. Note the different irc server. |
| 07:56.24 | ix_ | anyway, I'll make its own xorg file by Xorg -config or -configure, can't remember which it was |
| 07:56.30 | ix_ | but I see a few errors |
| 07:56.50 | ix_ | and I'll add the touchpad to it |
| 07:56.56 | ix_ | brb |
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| 07:59.12 | ix_ | ok, I made a new xorg.conf |
| 08:00.07 | ix_ | looks very similar to the other one |
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| 08:15.06 | ix_ | synclient VertEdgeScroll=1 gives me the scroll I need |
| 08:15.12 | erik__ | looks like libpcre3 is broken in unstable, http://packages.debian.org/sid/i386/libpcre3/filelist |
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| 08:15.26 | erik__ | ships libpcre2 libraries |
| 08:15.29 | ix_ | but how do I make the xorg.conf do that? |
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| 08:25.48 | ix_ | ok, I've made a little script to load with debian, it's not elegant but my scroll works |
| 08:26.04 | deeLer | how can i check a user's password in a bash script ? I just need to know if it macthes a given password... ? |
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| 08:34.40 | Mohsen_Hassani | How can I create fglrx.ko in modules directory of the kernel? It's for my ati radeon graphic card |
| 08:34.53 | ragnar | hey, have you guys ever seen a problem with Xorg, that when you've connected to openvpn, Xorg crashes? |
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| 08:36.59 | ix_ | how can I stop wicd loading the window at startup, I just want it in the tray |
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| 08:40.25 | ix_ | ok, solved it, wicd-gtk --tray |
| 08:40.36 | gownaow | get this error while doing 'apt-get update'. W: GPG error: http://dl.google.com stable Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG A040830F7FAC5991 Google, Inc. Linux Package Signing Key <linux-packages-keymaster@google.com> |
| 08:41.04 | ix_ | you need the key |
| 08:41.17 | gownaow | where to get it? |
| 08:41.46 | ix_ | from the site, obviously |
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| 08:42.15 | gownaow | never have to do this sort of thing before, after so many years of debian/ |
| 08:42.58 | ix_ | here is an example |
| 08:43.00 | ix_ | sudo apt-key adv --keyserver keyserver.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net --recv-keys 2B8638D0 |
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| 08:43.36 | gownaow | thks. |
| 08:43.51 | ix_ | that is not for your repo |
| 08:44.47 | coolguy4 | I'm running Squeeze, but I have lenny repositories in my sources.list. They are positioned below the Squeeze repositories. I believe this is because I wanted to install something that wasn't in Squeeze some time ago. Anyway, I just did sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude updgrade and aptitude installed linux-image-2.6.26-2-amd64 from the Lenny repository when uname -mrs was already giving Linux 2.6.32-5-amd64 x86_64 . So I guess when I |
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| 08:49.12 | coolguy4 | I was wondering why were the older kernel images chosen to be installed by Aptitude, and what should I do now to restore the Squeeze kernels? |
| 08:50.22 | Dulak | Comment out all lenny repos, run 'apt-get update' and 'apt-get dist-upgrade' and pray you didn't hose it completely by mixing repos |
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| 08:50.51 | Shadur | Looks like the multiarch move isn't going /quite/ smoothly. |
| 08:51.01 | Shadur | caleburn: ~/Projects/Systemec/Perl-magic/ >vim logmailer.pl |
| 08:51.01 | Shadur | vim: error while loading shared libraries: libpcre.so.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
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| 08:52.13 | coolguy4 | so is mixing repos an absolute no-no? I thought it was ok to list repos by priority... but could it be that the connection timed out on the squeeze repos so the lenny repos were the first that aptitude saw and so it gave priority to those? Is that how it works? |
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| 08:53.19 | Shadur | ... Did anyone else just get spammed by "ETERNAL_TRAVIS" ? |
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| 08:54.33 | Vamps_ | is there any conflicts between a irc and teamspeak server on 6.0.3? |
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| 08:54.56 | Shadur | Not unless you tell them to listen on the same port. And I don't think 6667 is default for teamspeak. |
| 08:55.09 | Vamps_ | 9987 is the default |
| 08:55.56 | Vamps_ | i'm tryin to use teamspeak 3 server, and unrealircd. just wanted to make suire i would be safe |
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| 08:58.46 | jelly | Shadur: report it in #freenode |
| 08:58.55 | jelly | the spam, that is |
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| 09:02.14 | coolguy4 | Dulak: I did aptitude update and aptitude upgrade and no new packages were found |
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| 09:02.38 | alharaka | trying to set up ftpsync. |
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| 09:03.06 | alharaka | want to mirror against mirrors.kernel.org. where do i get the public key for the authorized hosts file? |
| 09:03.21 | alharaka | i know tis a stupid question, but cannot figure it out. |
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| 09:30.09 | dutchfish | alharaka, did you take a look at the scriptlet for that? http://ftp-master.debian.org/ftpsync.tar.gz |
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| 09:31.36 | dutchfish | alharaka, also http://www.debian.org/mirror/ftpmirror |
| 09:33.31 | Sevet | also, http://ftp-master.debian.org/keys.html |
| 09:35.23 | alharaka | dutchfish: thanks |
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| 09:35.28 | alharaka | Sevet: thanks to you too! |
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| 09:35.59 | themill | alharaka: btw are you sure a proxy wouldn't be more efficient than a full mirror for you? |
| 09:36.45 | alharaka | themill: for me it is more of a learning experience, and i want to get my money's worth out of my hosting plan. |
| 09:37.03 | alharaka | themill: my unlimited disk space has sat around unused for ever. |
| 09:37.12 | themill | alharaka: remember that you're using donated bandwidth when you are syncing |
| 09:37.25 | alharaka | themill: sigh. you make a good point. |
| 09:37.43 | alharaka | themill: can you point me in the right direction with the proxying info as well? |
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| 09:38.16 | themill | alharaka: there are several, approx, apt-cacher or you can use things like squid |
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| 09:38.32 | alharaka | themill: and by the way, i was really limiting shaving down what i was taking. |
| 09:38.37 | alharaka | themill: was not planning on a lot. |
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| 09:39.17 | alharaka | themill: i have a hosting plan, but not root. |
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| 09:40.05 | alharaka | apt-cacher seems very cool. |
| 09:40.20 | alharaka | themill: apt-cacher seems very interesting. will look into this more. |
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| 09:55.31 | PhoenixSTF | Good Morning guys |
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| 09:56.13 | PhoenixSTF | I need a bit of help on HOW to install debian on a IBM 9406-820 and a 9406-870 |
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| 09:56.31 | PhoenixSTF | or is it even possible |
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| 09:57.23 | daemonkeeper | What's the arch` |
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| 09:57.46 | PhoenixSTF | one is IBM RS/64 the other one is a IBM Power4 |
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| 09:58.09 | PhoenixSTF | I think boath are powerpc risk arch |
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| 10:04.17 | coolguy4 | is there a definition somewhere of the format of /var/log/dpkg.log |
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| 10:05.34 | kate123 | hey i've got a beaglebone with the debian squeeze image now i'm trying to use the TP-Link tl-wn422g wifi stick with the Atheros AR9271 chipset on it i installed the ath9k_htc modules at the beginning the stick work well but after some time the stick stopps working and the system freeze when i move the stick off the board the borads works again |
| 10:06.15 | iwkse | hi, i'm having an issue with my nvidia graphics card, BIOS and RAM. I had 2GB of RAM, upgraded to 4GB, enabled Memory Hole Remapping in bios, 4GB detected, X doesn't run, black screen. Disabling Memory Hole Remapping it detects 3.3GB and X starts. Any hints to understand the problem? |
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| 10:06.35 | woshty | kate123: some kind of usb powersave maybe? just guessing |
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| 10:07.10 | kate123 | woshty: where can i prove this? |
| 10:07.57 | daemonkeeper | PhoenixSTF: It should work then. |
| 10:09.48 | PhoenixSTF | daemonkeeper, I hope so, they are 10 year old machines but they where donated to the university, everyone uses windows except for me, so I want to show how it works and the capability of Linux on a 10 year old machine with SCSI |
| 10:10.57 | PhoenixSTF | daemonkeeper, also I am part of the IT group and we are trying to make some events and projects, so it is a plus to have a good stable machine |
| 10:11.15 | PhoenixSTF | daemonkeeper, thanks ;) |
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| 10:11.56 | woshty | kate123: /sys/bus/usb/devices/*/power/autosuspend and /sys/bus/usb/devices/*/power/level apparently, i have no clue what the values mean |
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| 10:25.52 | Posterdati | hi |
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| 10:26.05 | Posterdati | please how can I export /media/disk with nfs? |
| 10:26.28 | Posterdati | I put it in /etc/exports but it didn't work |
| 10:26.41 | ChrisH | Posterdati: restart/reload nfs-server? |
| 10:26.52 | ChrisH | does showmount -e localhost work? |
| 10:27.03 | Posterdati | done, but it didn't affect the exports |
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| 10:28.03 | ChrisH | pastebin /etc/exports , df -h , showmount -e localhost , rpcinfo -p |
| 10:28.30 | Posterdati | ok |
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| 10:29.23 | Posterdati | ChrisH: http://pastebin.com/QwexYVD0 |
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| 10:31.18 | Posterdati | ChrisH: http://pastebin.com/K9ju2uZS |
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| 10:32.37 | Posterdati | ChrisH: http://pastebin.com/Hd2eQczH |
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| 10:34.01 | ChrisH | Posterdati: I asked for 4 things... Please paste them all into one pastebin |
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| 10:36.00 | Posterdati | ChrisH: http://pastebin.com/n8EDRTPf |
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| 10:36.41 | Posterdati | ChrisH: ok? |
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| 10:37.31 | Bartzy | I have a deb file, I did deb -e file.deb and changed DEBIAN/conffiles |
| 10:37.41 | Bartzy | now I want to repackage it into a new deb file |
| 10:37.44 | Bartzy | how do I do it ? :| |
| 10:38.40 | PhoenixSTF | has anyone worked with IBM servers before? |
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| 10:40.03 | ChrisH | Posterdati: 1. fsid= must be different for all Filesystems 2. rest looks fine. How and from where do you want to mount? I assume its again NFS V4 which makes trouble here. So try mount -o vers=3 from your client |
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| 10:41.29 | Posterdati | ChrisH: clients are wheezy distro pcs and one IRIX 6.5.22 |
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| 10:43.37 | Posterdati | ChrisH: on the indigo I connot access directories under /media |
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| 10:44.36 | ChrisH | What does IRIX say on mount -o vers=3 server:/media /somewhere ? |
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| 10:55.06 | judgen | Howdy |
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| 10:56.22 | judgen | Whenever i try to install any debian distro from usb flash, it always writes MBR to the usb instead of to the disk0, how do i correct this? |
| 10:57.11 | ksk | judgen: you may do this manually, but sounds strange anyway |
| 10:57.32 | ksk | sth like "grub-install --recheck /dev/sda" if sda is the drive you want to isntall it to |
| 10:58.53 | Posterdati | ChrisH: nothing |
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| 10:59.05 | Posterdati | ChrisH: it returned the prompt |
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| 10:59.59 | ratatata | nu |
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| 11:00.39 | ChrisH | Posterdati: does it mount? nfsstat -c ; df -h ; mount |
| 11:01.02 | Posterdati | ChrisH: it mount ro |
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| 11:04.00 | Posterdati | ChrisH: http://pastebin.com/nmMVTEam |
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| 11:05.47 | ChrisH | Posterdati: I want a pastebin of ssh from Irix to ATHLON64, there do a who -um; df -h ; exit ; nfstat -m ; mount ; df -k some commands are expected to run on irix (the last 3 ) |
| 11:06.24 | ChrisH | the nfsstat -c does not show any indications that something is wrong. |
| 11:06.57 | superlinux-hp | hi, how can in my shell script know/get the status of ethernet network port whether there is a cable or not inserted? |
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| 11:09.32 | pat__ | hi please i'm installing a NIS server butr when i styart it i have this error |
| 11:09.35 | Posterdati | ChrisH: http://pastebin.com/rHmtmrZ7 |
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| 11:09.38 | pat__ | starting nis service ypbinding to yp server failed(backgound) |
| 11:09.54 | pat__ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:12.34 | keber | www.hot.ee/keber/satan.JPG |
| 11:13.32 | ChrisH | Posterdati: irix mounts rw: 192.168.254.25:/media on /mnt type nfs (vers=3,rw,dev=100001) |
| 11:13.42 | Posterdati | yes I saw that |
| 11:14.10 | ChrisH | BUT... I assume you want to have it access /media/75b3acb1-cbbb-46a0-bc04-1a48fed45c49 mounted below /media |
| 11:14.33 | Posterdati | yes, but it won't mount /media/75xxxxxx |
| 11:14.58 | Posterdati | this happens only with removable media |
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| 11:16.21 | ChrisH | The "problem" is with differnt NFS implementaion on Linux and UNIX. UNIX NFS does not export/use Filesystems mounted below the parent. For Irix/Solaris/... you need to export and mount the /media/75* Filesystem. That must work. |
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| 11:17.17 | ChrisH | man exports and search for nohide there is a special hint on irix may that wortks here |
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| 11:19.44 | kzar | Is it possible to use denyhosts to block pure-ftp attacks as well as ssh? |
| 11:20.00 | kzar | (I've noticed people are attacking my ftp server so I need to protect that too.) |
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| 11:20.19 | ChrisH | kzar: disable ftp |
| 11:20.44 | kzar | ChrisH: In fairness that's a stupid suggestion, one better I'll turn my server off then no one can hack it |
| 11:20.48 | Posterdati | ChrisH: is it working now! Thanks |
| 11:21.08 | Coornail | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:21.09 | Coornail | just to make sure |
| 11:21.17 | Coornail | they can turn it on otherwise |
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| 11:21.22 | kzar | exactly, can't be too safe these days |
| 11:22.01 | ChrisH | kzar: using ftp in these days is stupid.. I was OK to use ftp and telnet when I started using Unix in 1990s |
| 11:22.22 | Rydekull | SSH ftw |
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| 11:22.47 | alharaka | and now a very stupid question: public key from a server (gnupg block, plaintext .asc file). how do i get it into ~/.ssh/authorized_keys? |
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| 11:22.57 | eugenmayer | how to actually get the UUID from a swap partition? |
| 11:23.04 | alharaka | i am embarrassed that i do not have a clue, but i don't. |
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| 11:23.17 | kzar | Yes SSH is very nice and as I've mentioned above I use it. But unfortunately I need to use FTP as well, does anyone know if Denyhosts or similar can stop pure-ftp brute force attacks too? |
| 11:23.18 | eugenmayer | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:23.18 | eugenmayer | /dev/vda5: TYPE="swap" |
| 11:23.40 | ChrisH | alharaka: ssh will prompt you to put in there, the first time you connect |
| 11:23.42 | ansgar | alharaka: One usually doesn't use GPG keys for SSH. |
| 11:23.58 | tralala | alharaka, you have to convert it to openssh format somehow |
| 11:24.09 | tralala | ChrisH, authorized_keys, not known_hosts |
| 11:24.27 | Rydekull | kzar: There just isnt any reason why you need to use FTP publicly and be concerned about a deny-host solution |
| 11:24.30 | ansgar | alharaka: monkeysphere allows to do so, but you need a special PGP key for that as well. |
| 11:24.42 | ChrisH | tralala:,alharaka: ups... sorry |
| 11:24.42 | tralala | alharaka, maybe one of openssh, openssl or gnupg can do that |
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| 11:25.14 | alharaka | well, i was looking at the ftpmaster keys from an earlier chat. |
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| 11:25.48 | alharaka | i wanted to look at enable public_key into authorized_keys so they could push to me theoretically. |
| 11:25.56 | alharaka | i was also interested in this functionality in general. |
| 11:26.12 | ChrisH | tralala:,alharaka: IIRC ssh-keygen can convert... I know it is possible and I did it before. |
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| 11:26.14 | alharaka | they give me a gnupg asc block, but authorized_keys. |
| 11:26.20 | alharaka | ah |
| 11:26.31 | kzar | Rydekull: Well that's a pretty arrogant thing to say, how do you know? I'll tell you one for example I program a device that needs to update itself over GPRS and it can only do that using FTP it does not have the ability to make use of SSH. |
| 11:26.34 | alharaka | ChrisH: get bounced for the private key passphrase. |
| 11:26.48 | kzar | is starting to remember why he avoids #debian |
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| 11:27.06 | alharaka | ChrisH: i grepped the ssh-keygen manual for a kind of "skip this private passphrase" and just convert the thing as a whole. |
| 11:27.07 | tralala | alharaka, what do you mean? |
| 11:27.24 | ChrisH | kzar: I use iptables to block single IPs starting brute force attacks.. |
| 11:27.30 | alharaka | ChrisH: tutorials assume you have the private key passphrase, or i fed it the wrong params. |
| 11:27.44 | alharaka | ChrisH: the command i used: "ssh-keygen -i -f keys/archive-key-6.0.asc" |
| 11:27.59 | ansgar | alharaka: "Tutorials" are usually pretty bad. |
| 11:28.10 | ChrisH | alharaka: are you sure they gave you the public key? |
| 11:28.10 | tralala | alharaka, public keys shouldn't be encrypted and ask for password, unless what you have is a private key. |
| 11:28.16 | alharaka | ansgar: so i have learned, but i thought i must have missed something obvious. |
| 11:28.20 | kzar | I'm going to go figure it out, I figured you guys would know and it would save time to ask but I guess that was a mistake. |
| 11:28.28 | alharaka | tralala: so i must have given it the wrong param. |
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| 11:28.38 | alharaka | ChrisH: sure i am sure (i hope). |
| 11:28.46 | alharaka | ChrisH: http://ftp-master.debian.org/keys.html |
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| 11:29.12 | Rydekull | Well, kzar could just program http-requests instead of ftp |
| 11:29.14 | ansgar | alharaka: And which ftpmaster keys are you looking for? I don't think there are any besides those used to sign the archive (at least no publicly distributed ones). |
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| 11:29.41 | alharaka | i am an ass. |
| 11:29.55 | alharaka | ChrisH: did not read the page in full. |
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| 11:30.09 | alharaka | ChrisH: took someone's word for it earlier. |
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| 11:30.47 | alharaka | ChrisH: you know how to get the public key of the server to push through? |
| 11:31.44 | alharaka | ChrisH: was trying just to point to mirrors.kernel.org, and they mention you need the public key. |
| 11:32.01 | alharaka | ChrisH: have googled a lot and could not find a page telling me where to find it, so i am going crazy i guess. |
| 11:32.04 | ChrisH | alharaka: I still do not really understand what you are trying to do. Debian package signing keys are different from ssh-kys in my understanding, but I am no export in keys. |
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| 11:32.44 | ChrisH | public keys belong to the private key of a person. |
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| 11:33.05 | alharaka | ChrisH: you are right. |
| 11:33.16 | alharaka | ChrisH: I just discovered I was reading the wrong page. |
| 11:33.30 | alharaka | ChrisH: Nevermind. |
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| 11:37.44 | Defusal | hi everyone |
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| 11:38.27 | Defusal | my exception for running a script with no password in sudoers file does not want to work, can anyone help me try find out why? |
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| 11:45.54 | ikonia | Defusal: why are you asking in #debian |
| 11:46.05 | ikonia | Defusal: you are using ubuntu - not debian, #debian supports debian only |
| 11:46.09 | ikonia | !ubuntu |
| 11:46.09 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
| 11:46.28 | Defusal | because sudo is a general debian base utility |
| 11:46.40 | Defusal | i've been using it with debian before ubuntu ever existed. |
| 11:46.49 | Defusal | *since before |
| 11:46.52 | ikonia | Defusal: sorry, you're issue is with ubuntu as you clearly stated |
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| 11:47.05 | ikonia | Defusal: I suggest not asking for ubuntu help in #debian |
| 11:47.30 | Defusal | ikonia, my issue is actually with you at this point, would you please stop harassing me in every channel i am in my freenode? else i will simply ignore you shortly. |
| 11:48.01 | ikonia | Defusal> the reason i went to #ubuntu even though i know i usually get little support in there is because sudo is not a general linux utility |
| 11:48.10 | ikonia | Defusal: you even state it's not a "general" utility |
| 11:48.16 | Defusal | no its not |
| 11:48.19 | Defusal | it comes from debian |
| 11:48.27 | ikonia | Defusal: no it doesn't |
| 11:48.28 | ikonia | Defusal: debian does not "make" sudo |
| 11:48.30 | Defusal | which ubuntu is a fork of |
| 11:48.38 | ikonia | Defusal: it's general to all unix platforms, as I tried to explaint o tyou |
| 11:48.50 | ikonia | either way, this isn't an debian issue, so I'd suggest you use the correct support resources |
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| 11:49.35 | Coornail | just pastebin the code |
| 11:49.38 | Defusal | well that was my understanding, since debian was the first distro that i used which included it, you do *not* see sudo used in tutorials for commands for most other distros, and i have had to manually install sudo on at least one other distro |
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| 11:49.57 | ikonia | Defusal: debian was not the first distro to use it |
| 11:50.04 | Defusal | ikonia, now leave me alone. |
| 11:50.09 | ikonia | you are now making things up to try to justify asking for ubuntu help in #debian |
| 11:50.15 | Defusal | no |
| 11:50.18 | Defusal | you cannot read |
| 11:50.21 | Coornail | oh just shut up |
| 11:50.24 | Defusal | and you are still ***** harassing me |
| 11:50.24 | Coornail | paste the sudoers file |
| 11:50.25 | dutchfish | Defusal, do what Coornail asked. Btw i just tested this on my Debian box, it happely works. |
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| 11:50.32 | Defusal | i said "since debian was the first distro that *i used* which included it" |
| 11:50.53 | idimmu | pastebin your sudoers file |
| 11:51.01 | idimmu | ill see if i can help you just to upset ikonia |
| 11:51.13 | Defusal | the line is: admin ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: /home/admin/script/sudo.rb |
| 11:51.27 | ikonia | I've already told him the answer, doesn't bother me |
| 11:51.34 | Defusal | when i call '/home/admin/script/sudo.rb -i -u admin "echo 1"' it asks for a password |
| 11:51.44 | idimmu | ah well he should implement the fix then |
| 11:51.54 | Defusal | ikonia, you have not given me a solution. |
| 11:52.07 | Defusal | i have also asked you about 7 times now to leave me the **** alone |
| 11:52.20 | Coornail | well then you don't run the script with admin user |
| 11:52.21 | Defusal | yet you continue to harass me in every linux related channel i am in |
| 11:52.24 | Coornail | you run it with your current user |
| 11:52.29 | Coornail | and you want to change inside the script |
| 11:52.31 | Coornail | so that won't work |
| 11:52.46 | dutchfish | Defusal, did you enable the line '%sudo ALL=NOPASSWD: ALL' at the end of /etc/sudoers ? |
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| 11:52.55 | Defusal | Coornail, so sudo needs to be called with that script passed to it? |
| 11:53.13 | Defusal | dutchfish, why would i? |
| 11:53.22 | Coornail | yes |
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| 11:53.34 | Defusal | Coornail, thank you |
| 11:53.51 | Coornail | sudo -u admin /home/admin/script/sudo.rb ... |
| 11:54.03 | dutchfish | or that |
| 11:54.27 | Coornail | and next time don't mention your distro, just ask the question =D |
| 11:54.34 | Coornail | you bring these things on yourself =) |
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| 11:55.20 | Defusal | Coornail, i asked in #ubuntu origionally, as i thought sudo was quite specific to ubuntu and debian, but after 40 minutes of being harassed with unrelated questions, no one could give me a solution |
| 11:55.39 | Defusal | then i got frustrated, said 'ffs' and ikonia banned me |
| 11:55.48 | Coornail | this is a pretty small independent program, I would imagine it runs the same everywhere |
| 11:55.50 | Defusal | ever since hes been harassing me in all my linux channels |
| 11:55.56 | Coornail | so it's pretty pointless to state your distro |
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| 11:56.05 | Coornail | people who don't want to help will hang on that |
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| 11:56.18 | Coornail | whoever wants to solve a puzzle can solve it without knowing your distro |
| 11:56.27 | ikonia | Coornail: even though I've given him the answer already |
| 11:56.36 | Defusal | Coornail, only reason i did state it in #ubuntu is because ikonia was convinced i was not even using ubuntu |
| 11:56.47 | ikonia | no I wasn't |
| 11:56.56 | Defusal | would you like me to get the log? |
| 11:56.59 | Defusal | shut up and leave me alone |
| 11:57.01 | ikonia | I just asked "what distro are you using" because you kept saying "I have a platform that uses sudo" |
| 11:57.10 | Defusal | i was sick of you 20 minutes ago already |
| 11:57.27 | ikonia | it's a pretty reasonable question to ask |
| 11:57.28 | ikonia | but this is pointless to this channel |
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| 11:57.54 | Defusal | which is why i have told you countless times to leave me alone |
| 11:58.02 | Defusal | both in here and in ##linux |
| 11:58.44 | Defusal | thanks again Coornail :) |
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| 12:01.47 | dekatch | abrotman are u around? |
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| 12:03.25 | dekatch | nvm... |
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| 12:16.18 | cardiel | im trying to get phpmyadmin work under debian squeeze. i first installed it and it worked, but the i uninstalled it cause i changed mta,pop3 etc. and now when i installed it and go to x.x.x.x/phpmyadmin/ it will download a file for me instead... why is that? |
| 12:16.57 | abrotman | dekatch: ats |
| 12:17.01 | abrotman | dekatch: erm ... yes |
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| 12:18.01 | abrotman | cardiel: is libapache2-mod-php5 installed? |
| 12:19.14 | cardiel | abrotman: no it wasnt , i installed it now. i thought it was installed auto when i installed phpmyadmin |
| 12:19.34 | abrotman | cardiel: depends how you removed it i suppose .. |
| 12:19.38 | cardiel | abrotman: didnt work |
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| 12:20.17 | abrotman | cardiel: try another browser |
| 12:20.38 | cardiel | abrotman: yes i just tried in firefox instead and it worked, than |
| 12:20.39 | cardiel | x |
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| 12:21.07 | stockholm | what package do i need to install in order to do x11 forwarding on a remote server? |
| 12:21.24 | bunny69 | cardiel switch to nginx |
| 12:21.37 | abrotman | stockholm: ssh and xorg ? |
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| 12:22.13 | bunny69 | all my problems are gone like a wind since i switched from apache2 to nginx... plus much less mem used and it servers way faster too :) |
| 12:22.14 | abrotman | stockholm: you mean like "/msg dpkg sshx" ? |
| 12:22.26 | stockholm | yes, ssh is there. i though it was just one single x package. xorg is the meta package that pulls in a whole shitload of stuff, right? |
| 12:22.30 | stockholm | checking dpkg |
| 12:22.39 | abrotman | stockholm: yes, xorg is the huge metapackage |
| 12:23.11 | stockholm | can you fix dpkg to recomment ssh -Y instead of -X? |
| 12:23.19 | stockholm | -X is not considered secure anymore. |
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| 12:23.35 | fasta | My gdm3 doesn't show all user names on the system. I am sure that this is a permissions problem. Where can I see which permissions are failing? |
| 12:23.58 | fasta | In fact it doesn't show any user names which makes it impossible to login in a normal way. |
| 12:24.00 | abrotman | done |
| 12:24.09 | stockholm | thanks |
| 12:24.19 | abrotman | fasta: taht's probably why they aren't shown ? |
| 12:24.24 | abrotman | oh .. sorry, misread |
| 12:24.30 | abrotman | fasta: do they have valid shells, etc ? |
| 12:25.00 | fasta | abrotman: everything worked until I extracted a file via tar xzfv in /. |
| 12:25.15 | fasta | abrotman: this changed permissions in ways I don't know about exactly. |
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| 12:25.36 | fasta | abrotman: some of it has already been repaired, but I am finding new issues, like this one. |
| 12:26.03 | dutchfish | stockholm, installing xbase-clients should be enough on the serverside to do x11 forwarding |
| 12:26.24 | stockholm | dutchfish: thanks |
| 12:26.53 | fasta | bunny69: Apache has many features, but if you don't use them, then I completely agree. |
| 12:27.15 | fasta | bunny69: Apache being buggy as hell was a reason for me to drop it too. |
| 12:27.57 | dutchfish | stockholm, Also, check that X11Forwarding is set to yes in /etc/ssh/sshd_config | i believe that is default in debian |
| 12:28.09 | stockholm | yes, it is in my case, too :-) |
| 12:28.10 | stockholm | thanks |
| 12:28.13 | dutchfish | yw |
| 12:28.21 | fasta | abrotman: if I do /etc/init.d/gdm3 restart, I see zero error messages. |
| 12:28.59 | fasta | I want my machine to scream very loudly when something is wrong with exact error messages. |
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| 12:30.01 | dutchfish | stockholm, last thing, if it doesnt work out, you also need to install xauth on th serverside, but it will prolly get in along with the xbase-clients |
| 12:30.36 | abrotman | fasta: that's uh .. bad |
| 12:30.39 | stockholm | dutchfish: yes, that is the part that i am out after. |
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| 12:31.52 | dutchfish | stockholm, no need to install the whole xorg enshelada |
| 12:32.03 | vlt | fasta: Sounds like you want a `dpkg --get-selections` and reinstall ... |
| 12:32.55 | fasta | vlt: that takes 10 hours. |
| 12:33.23 | fasta | I also hate it that there is no way to move one Debian configuration to another machine without making an image. |
| 12:33.37 | fasta | So, copying crontab, etc. |
| 12:33.56 | fasta | Copying /etc/passwd entries, etc. |
| 12:34.28 | abrotman | fasta: what was in the tar file ? |
| 12:34.42 | fasta | abrotman: the wonderful Flash plugin. |
| 12:34.58 | fasta | abrotman: I thought it only contained a /usr subdir. |
| 12:35.12 | fasta | abrotman: but I already did chown root:root /usr |
| 12:35.21 | fasta | -R |
| 12:35.42 | vlt | fasta: That's not always the best solution. |
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| 12:36.12 | vlt | fasta: There might have been files owned by other users. |
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| 12:36.28 | fasta | vlt: I don't really see which ones that should be. |
| 12:36.34 | fasta | vlt: especially related to gdm3. |
| 12:37.01 | vlt | fasta: That's why I'd recommend `dpkg --get-selections` and reinstall. |
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| 12:37.08 | abrotman | fasta: eh what? |
| 12:37.32 | fasta | abrotman: I think I was clear. |
| 12:37.44 | fasta | abrotman: if you think I said something stupid, clarify. |
| 12:37.47 | abrotman | fasta: okay, well, it only would have changed /usr/ and /usr/lib/ .. because that file lives in /usr/lib/flash/ or something like that |
| 12:38.24 | fasta | I will just reinstall gdm3 first then. |
| 12:38.33 | abrotman | fasta: are the directory permissions 755 on /usr/ and /usr/lib/ |
| 12:39.19 | Maijin | Hello all, I've a problem with my firewall configuration, I can't download anything with aptitude what've forgotten ? http://pastie.org/private/u2iqguhoehmxzecc3bq9rq |
| 12:39.36 | fasta | abrotman: yes |
| 12:39.55 | abrotman | fasta: that tar ball doesn't contain much else IIRC |
| 12:40.19 | abrotman | i think just an INSTALL or README nad some stuff in usr/lib/ |
| 12:40.45 | fasta | abrotman: after a reinstall gdm3 still doesn't show the users. |
| 12:40.52 | fasta | abrotman: I can login as the users just fine via shell. |
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| 12:40.59 | abrotman | which users does it show? |
| 12:41.03 | fasta | abrotman: none |
| 12:41.09 | abrotman | at all?! |
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| 12:41.35 | abrotman | fasta: inspect the contents of that tar file .. see what else it might have touched |
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| 12:43.19 | fasta | abrotman: /usr/lib64 is a symbolic link? to /usr/lib |
| 12:43.27 | fasta | abrotman: also with permissions 777. |
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| 12:44.52 | fasta | Isn't there some sanity checking program? |
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| 12:45.26 | fasta | A program which depends on some environment should be able to diagnose itself what is wrong. |
| 12:45.56 | fasta | (and gdm3 showing no users is one such situation in which something is 'wrong') |
| 12:46.44 | fasta | abrotman: how can I show the uid, instead of the user name? |
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| 12:49.20 | ChrisH | Maijin: I am missing https/443 but that should not be an issue with apitude. Does aptitude pint an error? Does telnet debian.x.y 80 work? |
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| 12:50.46 | fasta | abrotman: kdm does show at least one user. |
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| 12:53.47 | fasta | abrotman: fixed it. dbus was broken. |
| 12:54.11 | fasta | abrotman: thanks mental support :) |
| 12:54.20 | fasta | for mental support* |
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| 12:56.11 | abrotman | fasta: hehe .. dbus broken or not started? |
| 12:56.37 | fasta | abrotman: according to the system view it was 'started'. |
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| 12:56.48 | fasta | abrotman: except it couldn't execute some process according to syslog. |
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| 12:57.10 | fasta | abrotman: it's like starting your car with the engine making no sound. |
| 12:58.16 | thewanderer1 | how do I find out what's causing my disk to spin up? I'm on a laptop and want to keep the power usage and noise down. |
| 12:58.17 | sephii | fasta: but you might have an electric car |
| 12:58.31 | sephii | thewanderer1: check iotop |
| 12:58.43 | fasta | sephii: do you have one? |
| 12:58.57 | fasta | sephii: I am still contemplating whether they are fundamentally bad ideas. |
| 12:59.09 | fasta | a bad idea* |
| 12:59.13 | thewanderer1 | looking at iotop, jbd seems to be the "top scorer"... what am I writing, anyway? |
| 12:59.28 | sephii | fasta: nope :) |
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| 12:59.49 | sephii | thewanderer1: try to kill jbd and see if your hdd slows down |
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| 13:00.04 | thewanderer1 | sephii, I'd rather not try to kill kernel threads |
| 13:00.08 | fasta | sephii: it makes much more sense to put an electric grid where currently the street is. |
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| 13:00.21 | fasta | sephii: (in the application area of electric cars) |
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| 13:00.42 | fasta | For long distances carbon hydrogen bonds are just very energy dense. |
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| 13:01.37 | fasta | And AFAIK, the density of batteries will not go up by any factor greater than 2 ever. |
| 13:02.05 | fasta | For just about every combination we already have tables listing them. |
| 13:02.06 | sephii | fasta: yeah, well, you know, that's just like your opinion man |
| 13:02.35 | fasta | sephii: sure, but I would like to hear some research guy from Tesla say 'you got it all wrong, because <insert reason>'. |
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| 13:02.57 | thewanderer1 | I'm running all filesystems with noatime, yet still, something keeps requesting I/O (and my dirty writeback time is set to 5 minutes) - on GNOME, Squeeze |
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| 13:05.44 | thewanderer1 | ok, I'll look at top and sort by dirty pages count |
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| 13:06.20 | thewanderer1 | nothing :P |
| 13:06.52 | thewanderer1 | seems like someone is migrating to an SSD, oh well... |
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| 13:08.02 | themill | stockholm: btw you are incorrect about -X vs -Y. In principle, -X is better because it treats the remote X clients as being untrusted (which is what you want) but in practice there is no difference in Debian (unless you configure ssh otherwise with the ForwardX11Trusted option) |
| 13:08.07 | Drew_ | having trouble getting mod_rewrite to work anyone figured that out |
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| 13:09.18 | sephii | Drew_: give some details about your problem |
| 13:09.38 | Drew_ | have done touch and load ... it shows up in phpinfo in the top portion under config / loaded modules |
| 13:09.56 | Drew_ | it does not appear in its own section in extended info in phpinfo |
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| 13:10.09 | thewanderer1 | Drew_, rewrite is not a PHP module O.o |
| 13:10.09 | Drew_ | simple redirect to google fails |
| 13:10.30 | Drew_ | apache mod |
| 13:10.34 | sephii | Drew_: first, check that it has a symlink in /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/ |
| 13:10.44 | Drew_ | k |
| 13:11.37 | Drew_ | it did bec i touched it then did the load |
| 13:11.48 | Drew_ | then (hold on) |
| 13:11.59 | sephii | Drew_: you don't have to "touch" it, you have to use a2enmod rewrite |
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| 13:12.05 | Drew_ | after that failed i saw another article that said to |
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| 13:12.24 | Drew_ | yes that and it said there was an error so i deleted the link and ran that |
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| 13:12.50 | sephii | Drew_: please paste the output of ls -l /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/ |
| 13:12.59 | Drew_ | then a2enmod rewrite succeeded but the rewrite failes |
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| 13:14.30 | Drew_ | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 28 Mar 22 07:04 alias.conf -> ../mods-available/alias.conf |
| 13:14.30 | Drew_ | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 28 Mar 22 07:04 alias.load -> ../mods-available/alias.load |
| 13:14.30 | Drew_ | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 33 Mar 22 07:04 auth_basic.load -> ../mods-available/auth_basic.load |
| 13:14.30 | Drew_ | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 33 Mar 22 07:04 authn_file.load -> ../mods-available/authn_file.load |
| 13:14.30 | Drew_ | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 36 Mar 22 07:04 authz_default.load -> ../mods-available/authz_default.load |
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| 13:15.54 | dekatch | ^^ |
| 13:16.04 | boston8372 | ok that paste got me kicked sorry |
| 13:16.24 | dekatch | paste.debian.org |
| 13:16.26 | dekatch | there u go |
| 13:16.50 | dekatch | lol |
| 13:16.56 | dekatch | wrong url! someone tell the right pls |
| 13:17.07 | sephii | paste.debian.net |
| 13:17.07 | boston8372 | how about pastie |
| 13:17.34 | dekatch | up to u! |
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| 13:19.23 | boston8372 | http://pastie.org/3647778 |
| 13:19.53 | sephii | boston8372: did you use the rewrite directives in an htaccess file? |
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| 13:20.55 | boston8372 | http://pastie.org/3647791 |
| 13:21.09 | boston8372 | line 2 added which clearly showed it is not working |
| 13:21.23 | sephii | boston8372: you did not anwser to my question |
| 13:21.24 | boston8372 | was working fine on EC2 but now local server NOT |
| 13:21.28 | boston8372 | i did |
| 13:21.40 | boston8372 | 791 |
| 13:21.55 | sephii | boston8372: did you put those directives in an htaccess file, or in your vhost configuration? |
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| 13:22.36 | boston8372 | htaccess |
| 13:23.19 | sephii | boston8372: so, check the AllowOverride directives that could apply to the directory where your htaccess is. You might have an AllowOverride None somewhere (eg. in your default vhost) |
| 13:23.30 | boston8372 | httpd.conf is empty |
| 13:23.34 | boston8372 | 0 bytes |
| 13:23.46 | boston8372 | the following (in 30 seconds) is my apache2.conf |
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| 13:24.45 | boston8372 | apache2.conf ----> http://pastie.org/3647812 |
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| 13:25.29 | sephii | boston8372: I think you'd better ask #apache. But if you want a quick'n'dirty fix to your problem, change the AllowOverride None to AllowOverride FileInfo in your /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/default |
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| 13:26.31 | sephii | boston8372: I hope that's not your apache2.conf file. Your vhosts are supposed to be in /etc/apache2/sites-available/ |
| 13:26.45 | boston8372 | oops not that was my default |
| 13:27.10 | boston8372 | that was my /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/default |
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| 13:28.31 | Jasonn | hi, I installed litespeed webserver on my server, and deleted the install dir, and now I cant kll it (restarts it self automatically |
| 13:28.41 | Jasonn | any suggestions? |
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| 13:33.32 | nkuttler | Jasonn: deleted the install dir? |
| 13:33.48 | Jasonn | nkuttler: the installed directory * |
| 13:33.55 | Jasonn | the directory in which it was installed |
| 13:34.01 | Jasonn | /usr/lsws/ |
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| 13:34.29 | nkuttler | Jasonn: how did you install this litespeed? |
| 13:34.42 | Jasonn | compiled |
| 13:34.54 | Jasonn | do I have to recompile just to uninstall ? |
| 13:35.15 | nkuttler | Jasonn: no idea. not exactly a #debian problem |
| 13:35.31 | nkuttler | make sure to kill all processes/master processes etc |
| 13:36.06 | Jasonn | nkuttler: how do I check the master process? |
| 13:36.12 | Jasonn | the process is: litespeed |
| 13:37.03 | nkuttler | Jasonn: you can get generic linux support in ##linux. |
| 13:37.31 | nkuttler | or ask litespeed support i guess.. |
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| 13:45.31 | boston8372 | any hints as to how to get FileZilla to allow me to drop a file into a server folder ... i log in as non-root user that has debian Admin rights but i get red text saying: /etc/apache2/sites-available/default: open for write: permission denied |
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| 13:46.54 | sephii | boston8372: you really shouldn't be serving any /etc file with FTP |
| 13:47.06 | boston8372 | well it is ssh sftp |
| 13:47.15 | boston8372 | local to my house |
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| 13:48.01 | robertzet | hi |
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| 13:48.09 | neglesaks | why not serve a directory in you /home/? |
| 13:48.22 | sephii | boston8372: iirc the files in this directory are 644 and belong to root, so unless you're root you won't be able to write here |
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| 13:48.45 | boston8372 | k and i disabled root access thx |
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| 13:51.58 | vitorlobo | hi, how to disable keyboard alt + lmb on lxde with debian? |
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| 13:53.02 | robertzet | I'm connected via ssh to my debian system from another linux, and I try to run evolution mail client remotly. It ask me for a password to my mailbox. Normally (not via ssh) it doesn't. I write him a password, but it says it is incorrect |
| 13:54.15 | ChrisH | robertzet: ssh -X to your normal desktop system? |
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| 13:54.30 | robertzet | yes |
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| 13:54.57 | robertzet | someone tells me that gnome-keyring |
| 13:55.22 | ChrisH | puh... that should react as local logged in... But it might have somehting to do with keys saved ion desktop like KDE, gnome.. as you mentioned now |
| 13:55.26 | robertzet | locks password, when i'm not logged in via display manager |
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| 13:56.08 | ChrisH | thats the reason I normally read my using mutt inside a screen session. |
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| 13:59.22 | PhoenixSTF | Hello has anyone ever worked with IBM eServer? |
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| 14:03.58 | vitorlobo | hi, how to disable keyboard alt + lmb on lxde with debian? |
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| 14:04.54 | robertzet | ok, thanks |
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| 14:12.01 | ChrisH | with == inside? |
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| 14:30.10 | vitorlobo | hi, how to disable keyboard alt + lmb on lxde with debian? |
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| 14:46.51 | IanBeyer_ | OK, what the heck is events/1 and why is it beating the crap out of my CPU? |
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| 14:48.32 | jelly | because some hardware or some driver is giving it lots of... events |
| 14:48.41 | IanBeyer_ | this is a VPS fresh out of the box. |
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| 14:49.00 | IanBeyer_ | I get this on my first login to the box, and still doing it after a reboot |
| 14:49.31 | IanBeyer_ | CPU spending 80+% in wait |
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| 14:51.01 | IanBeyer_ | How can I find out *what* is causing this? |
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| 14:51.20 | chronos-dmt | hi all |
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| 14:51.59 | chronos-dmt | guys, which kernel version debian 6 is using? |
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| 14:52.34 | petemc | chronos-dmt: 2.6.32 |
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| 14:53.15 | neglesaks | 2.6.32 on my box |
| 14:53.19 | xfire78xx | giorno |
| 14:53.27 | chronos-dmt | petemc, : is there any site that i can verify libraries version of debian 6? |
| 14:53.45 | petemc | chronos-dmt: packages.debian.org |
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| 14:54.02 | davidgul | hi |
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| 14:54.50 | chronos-dmt | because I want to change my os, i'm using ubuntu 8.04 yet, so I dont know if is better go to deban 6 or fedora 16 |
| 14:54.58 | IanBeyer_ | bouncing /etc/init.d/networking seemed to do it. |
| 14:55.05 | davidgul | What nx software for debian do you recomand me ? |
| 14:55.28 | neglesaks | 8.04 is 4 years old - youll certainly get access to a lot of more kernel features, new and betetr hardware supprot etc |
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| 14:56.29 | chronos-dmt | neglesaks, : yes, i never update it because it is extremely stable to my |
| 14:56.31 | chronos-dmt | to me |
| 14:56.41 | neglesaks | that is wise of you chronis |
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| 14:56.56 | chronos-dmt | neglesaks, : 8.04 was the last good ubuntu launched |
| 14:56.58 | saniya | Hello |
| 14:57.07 | bazhang | saniya, hi |
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| 14:57.36 | neglesaks | possibly. it was the first for me... anyway, chat is in #debian-offtopic, youre welcoem to join us :) |
| 14:57.47 | saniya | Bazhang :) sorry this channel forcus about??? |
| 14:57.59 | bazhang | saniya, debian support |
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| 14:58.37 | saniya | :) thanks to reply me bazhang |
| 14:58.52 | ChrisH | chronos-dmt asking here the answer will be Debian of course :) fedora is rpm based |
| 15:00.30 | davidgul | What nx software for debian do you recomand me ? |
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| 15:03.46 | mntzn | davidgul: google linux cad, if by nx you mean cad like software |
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| 15:05.08 | davidgul | mntzn : 1) yes i mean cad like software 2) I try to serch in google and i dont find anything |
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| 15:05.45 | mntzn | http://www.techdrivein.com/2011/08/8-best-cad-apps-for-linux.html |
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| 15:12.02 | pfarrell | hi! I am trying to create a debian package for a piece of software I have written. I have made a first attempt at the stuff in the debian/ directory. but dpkg-source -b ... hangs: it just stays waiting forever. does anyone have any ideas how I can debug this/make dpkg-source verbose so that I can see what the hell it's trying to do? |
| 15:13.01 | pfarrell | I am completely stumped, so any ideas welcome |
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| 15:14.13 | daemonkeeper | pfarrell: You want #debian-mentors on OFTC, and more generally: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/ |
| 15:14.21 | pfarrell | ok, thanks, I'll ask there |
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| 15:18.28 | crossfader | i also have an old Ubuntu 8.04 version here |
| 15:18.36 | crossfader | and a fresh installed debian |
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| 15:19.40 | crossfader | but both causing the same problem when doing shutdown on nfsroot |
| 15:20.05 | crossfader | they do not unmount... |
| 15:20.08 | crossfader | :( |
| 15:21.57 | crossfader | i guess it s a lazy umount... |
| 15:22.14 | crossfader | so on the host side, the system is going down |
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| 15:22.36 | crossfader | but on the nfs-rootserver side its still mounted |
| 15:23.03 | crossfader | as visible in rmtab |
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| 15:25.51 | crossfader | the system i m talking about is Lenny... nfsroot is hard-mounted and registered in fstab |
| 15:26.00 | crossfader | as /dev/nfs |
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| 15:46.01 | cardiel | hello , i have setup postfix according to this guide "http://library.linode.com/email/postfix/dovecot-mysql-ubuntu-10.04-lucid" on debian squeeze. i can send server locally and send external using smtpd, but i can recieve emails from external email adresses. someone know what can be wrong? |
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| 15:51.47 | oshanz | when will hurd become stable.? |
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| 15:52.48 | oshanz | FLOOD |
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| 16:08.13 | colo-work | anyone in here running a FusionIO PCIe-based SSD under Squeeze? |
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| 16:08.32 | jelly | no but if you send one over... |
| 16:08.37 | colo-work | ;) |
| 16:09.03 | colo-work | well, we purchsed a rebranded one from HP, and they provide driver "installers" for SLES and RHEL only. |
| 16:09.20 | colo-work | the FusionIO driver downloads require a valid customer login with that company though |
| 16:09.44 | colo-work | now I'm wondering how I'll be able to get a) precompiled Debian drivers or (preferrably) b) the driver source tarball from fusionIO |
| 16:09.48 | jelly | ask them nicely, HP actually cares about Debian more than some other hw vendors |
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| 16:10.29 | colo-work | hmm, will try to |
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| 16:15.59 | boarty | !list |
| 16:15.59 | dpkg | boarty: Debian è un sistema operativo composto di software libero non quella gratis. Vedi http://www.debian.org/intro/free.it.html per sapere di più. |
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| 16:23.52 | fishsponge | does insserv and insserv -r work in debian? if not, what's the preferred method of adding and removing init scripts from all rc levels? |
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| 16:25.57 | nsadmin | what does insserv do specifically? takes input from what? produces what? |
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| 16:27.36 | fishsponge | ok... maybe it's just not used. if you type "insserv apache" it'll add the apache init script to rc3.d and others. if you have an init script, what is the recommended or preferred way of adding it into startup etc... ? |
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| 16:28.12 | nsadmin | ok, so what happens if the apache init script is in rc3.d? |
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| 16:28.59 | nsadmin | (btw, /etc/rc3.d sounds like the right place to me |
| 16:29.01 | nsadmin | ) |
| 16:29.42 | fishsponge | actually don't worry... insserv seems to work fine :-) just wondered what you guys did generally - i assume you just either copy or symlink the script into rc3.d |
| 16:29.47 | fishsponge | thanks anyway1 :-) |
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| 16:31.18 | nsadmin | ok, cool... so, the conclusion is, if insserv reads what it's supposed to read, and writes out these symlinks as it's supposed to, that's the end of its job... |
| 16:31.24 | nsadmin | so, seems to work... |
| 16:31.47 | nsadmin | the actual booting is carried out as it has been for years and years |
| 16:32.29 | Dellano | Hello, I have some servers running on paravirtualized Debian Lenny with OpenSource Xen. Now I need to migrate them to Citrix Xenserver. What's the better way to do this? |
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| 16:33.24 | nsadmin | better than what? :) |
| 16:33.38 | nsadmin | "better" meaning what? |
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| 16:34.10 | nsadmin | it seems you might come up with just "a way" |
| 16:34.18 | Dellano | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:35.19 | drwahl | Dellano: citrix has a tool called "XenConvert" it has a v2v option that converts VMs from one hypervisor to another |
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| 16:36.07 | drwahl | Dellano: http://www.citrix.com/English/ss/downloads/details.asp?downloadId=2306318&productId=683148 |
| 16:36.53 | nsadmin | or s/English/(your pref)/ |
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| 16:37.53 | nsadmin | drwahl, would this tool also copy the server into the citrix thing? |
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| 16:38.14 | cypr1nus | hi, I faced with issue with ruby. No gems in 'gem list --local' after reboot. Anyone faced sth like that ? |
| 16:38.28 | asus1011cx | i an thginking about buying a netbook. i have two in mind: asus eee pc 1011cx and acer aspire one D270. BOTH netbooks are Atom 2600 models but can anyone tell me what is the wireless chipset on the acer? is the wireless chipset on the acer free as libre, i do not want to install non-free firmware! |
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| 16:39.18 | nsadmin | cypr1nus, (not direct answer but here goes) I like to build ruby and rubygems myself... the debian packages have yet to work properly for me |
| 16:39.31 | drwahl | nsadmin: the tool takes VHD, OVF, VMDK or XVA disk images and converts them into XenServer's format, then creates a VM container for the disk |
| 16:39.55 | cypr1nus | nsadmin: just switched to debian, don't do this to me :D |
| 16:39.56 | klync | nsadmi, cypr1nus i hope you're using rvm |
| 16:40.08 | nsadmin | I see, to it does everything |
| 16:40.32 | nsadmin | cypr1nus, building is easy and quick |
| 16:40.39 | nsadmin | works (for ruby) every time |
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| 16:41.26 | cypr1nus | klync: nope, I don't use rvm. I'll try this right now |
| 16:41.54 | nsadmin | cypr1nus, the problems I experienced seemed to be around rubygems and/or where the gems are put by gem |
| 16:42.09 | nsadmin | ruby from the package seemed to work fine |
| 16:42.33 | cypr1nus | nsadmin: now after gem installation I get ERROR: While executing gem ... (RuntimeError) |
| 16:42.37 | cypr1nus | ehhh |
| 16:42.44 | nsadmin | but as I said, 100% success rate when building ruby and rubygems myself |
| 16:43.38 | cypr1nus | ok, i will play with it for a while, then try building |
| 16:43.40 | cypr1nus | thanks |
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| 16:45.56 | nsadmin | also it's somewhat a personal thing for me, when I build a web stack, I like to have full control, zero surprises... so many times I will build the whole stack (incl postgresql, presently the only db I use). that way no update of debian packages ever surprises me by (say) installing newer version of a scripting language having an incompatible feature which breaks all my code |
| 16:46.37 | klync | nsadmin: funny, those concerns are exactly why i use debian whenever i have the choice :P |
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| 16:47.16 | klync | ok, and security-by-default. and dfsg. |
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| 16:47.33 | nsadmin | note to self: doint go around in circles don't go around in circles don't go aro |
| 16:47.34 | klync | and i can run the same os on any platform |
| 16:48.08 | nsadmin | and this is a great thing when it workd properly |
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| 16:50.33 | nsadmin | ok, let's see, let's try it now on squeeze |
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| 16:51.52 | nsadmin | ruby and rubygems already installed |
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| 16:53.32 | nsadmin | gem install rake ; rake |
| 16:53.36 | nsadmin | command not found |
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| 16:53.59 | nsadmin | soooo.... that didn't work... now let's try building |
| 16:54.08 | Coornail | your path is allright? |
| 16:54.15 | Coornail | seems $PATH |
| 16:54.18 | Coornail | -seems |
| 16:54.52 | nsadmin | I assume rake would appear in /usr/bin/rake |
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| 16:56.02 | nsadmin | I believe debian policy states that packages should make executables available in one of the system paths |
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| 16:58.59 | nsadmin | Coornail, if the readme.debian of rubygems state I would have to add to the path, I'd consider that valid no matter what policy says |
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| 16:59.33 | nsadmin | (if also every gem that installs an executable would make it availabe from the same dir) |
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| 17:02.57 | mah454 | How can set pppoe network connection in gnome 3 (GUI mode) |
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| 17:03.54 | nsadmin | will you be doing this more than once |
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| 17:04.09 | nsadmin | maybe even more than once per day |
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| 17:04.49 | nsadmin | try pppoeconfig |
| 17:05.04 | nsadmin | 9NOT gui) |
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| 17:05.46 | nsadmin | it'll work whether you have gnome, kde, fvwm or no gui at all, text only |
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| 17:08.57 | foxtrot9 | i hope this isn't a weird question, why need a firewall like iptables? i can see if you aren't protecting your ssh server from unauthorized access. I can't see for any other reason |
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| 17:09.24 | ksk | foxtrot9: you may want stuff only be accessible from some ip ranges/interfaces whatever |
| 17:09.39 | ksk | eg only your webserver does need access to the mysqlserver |
| 17:09.46 | ksk | not anyone else |
| 17:09.53 | eugo | there are various open ports on any machine that the OS runs, you want to close those holes |
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| 17:10.05 | nvz | I have a lot of data on this drive that has ubuntu 10.04 "natty" on it.. is there some way I can install debian on it without having to backup.restore my /home? its all on one partition. |
| 17:10.31 | eugo | remove everything but /home ? |
| 17:10.39 | Dellano | drwahl: I think it's not possible to accomplish this with Opensource Xen |
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| 17:10.55 | nvz | eugo: so your best advice is to simply delete everything then install without formatting? |
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| 17:11.12 | eugo | that's what i'd do but i haven't done it |
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| 17:11.41 | nvz | eugo: I dont really see anything wrong with that idea.. hmm.. |
| 17:11.56 | eugo | i've done it with windows before with no problems |
| 17:12.03 | Mohsen_Hassani | Gnome3 starts in fallback mode. I have installed my ATI graphic card and fglrx |
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| 17:12.29 | debrisrat | hi ! |
| 17:12.39 | debrisrat | can i ask a questin |
| 17:12.43 | debrisrat | question |
| 17:12.46 | debrisrat | ? |
| 17:12.49 | eugo | don't ask to ask |
| 17:12.50 | eugo | just ask |
| 17:12.54 | Mohsen_Hassani | debrisrat, sure.... |
| 17:12.55 | colo-work | in fact, that already is a question. |
| 17:12.55 | debrisrat | :) |
| 17:12.58 | debrisrat | thanks |
| 17:13.29 | debrisrat | so, i visited a page of debian cd dowloads |
| 17:13.49 | debrisrat | there are more then 50 cd's |
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| 17:14.08 | debrisrat | is it enough cd 1 for installing debian ?? |
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| 17:14.36 | eugo | 1 is enough but it's so much simpler to use the netinstall |
| 17:15.02 | debrisrat | what is your prefer? |
| 17:15.19 | nvz | debrisrat: if you have a high speed connection just use the netinstall its the least to download |
| 17:15.21 | eugo | http://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst |
| 17:15.36 | debrisrat | how many minutes install from cd and netinstall ? |
| 17:15.47 | eugo | how fast is your internet? :) |
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| 17:16.02 | nvz | debrisrat: if your connection is fast a net install will take the same amount of time |
| 17:16.03 | debrisrat | 1 mb ps |
| 17:16.05 | Digdilem | assuming dl on machine is same as cd download, it's faster by net |
| 17:16.22 | eugo | mbit/s or mbyte/s ? :) |
| 17:16.26 | Digdilem | faster because you're installing what you need, nothing more |
| 17:16.34 | debrisrat | 1024 kbytes |
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| 17:16.42 | eugo | then it won't matter much |
| 17:16.53 | nvz | yes the speed of internet is not relevant as you are downloading more than you need with the cd vs netinstall |
| 17:16.58 | nvz | over the same connection |
| 17:16.59 | eugo | it'll take as long as it would take if you would download the cd image |
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| 17:17.18 | debrisrat | ok |
| 17:17.59 | debrisrat | if i understand true may be 30 minutes is enough for netinstall ?? |
| 17:18.10 | eugo | i want one of those business card shaped cd's and keep a debian install on me |
| 17:18.41 | eugo | during the net install you can select what packages you want to download and install, just download the core and it won't take that long |
| 17:19.12 | eugo | i can't tell you in minutes |
| 17:19.42 | debrisrat | when, i downloaded dvd media is too long for downloading and it has errors |
| 17:19.42 | nsadmin | ok, so I just built ruby, and my prefix was set into my home dir, and the executables (incl rake) were placed in that bin dir |
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| 17:20.05 | nsadmin | so if I add that path, I'd be ready to go |
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| 17:22.56 | debrisrat | i have a debian dvd, amd64. i m testing on virtualbox for installation. when i start installation and then read errors do it |
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| 17:23.22 | debrisrat | how can i install debian to my computer ? |
| 17:23.35 | eugo | hmm |
| 17:23.42 | eugo | are you using virtualbox? |
| 17:23.42 | debrisrat | whats your prefer ? dvd or cd ? |
| 17:24.08 | debrisrat | yes i using virtualbox for installaton testing |
| 17:24.15 | sisif | Quick noob question: in which group does a user has to be added in order to be able to access (auto)mounted devices without the use of "su" . Or even better, to be allowed to used mount / umount |
| 17:24.32 | eugo | debrisrat: the dvd just has more packages. it depends on if you want to download more now, or later. if you download the dvd, then you won't have to download as much later |
| 17:25.04 | debrisrat | and cd image download is complate now |
| 17:25.09 | debrisrat | :) |
| 17:25.25 | eugo | debrisrat: then create a new virtual machine and load the debian iso image to the virtual machine's cd-rom drive |
| 17:25.29 | debrisrat | i will test installation at cd images |
| 17:25.45 | debrisrat | eugo: yes i understand |
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| 17:25.55 | kevlarman | eugo: well, chances are you won't be installing at least half of what's on the dvd |
| 17:26.10 | eugo | right it's mostly libraries and sources |
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| 17:26.19 | debrisrat | but really installation on my pc and then errors on installation proccess |
| 17:26.30 | debrisrat | eugo: ? |
| 17:26.33 | eugo | what errors do you get? |
| 17:26.35 | nsadmin | dvd?? this machine won't have a net? |
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| 17:26.55 | debrisrat | reading errors and system error for installation proc.. |
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| 17:27.14 | eugo | what specific errors? |
| 17:27.23 | debrisrat | error code 143 |
| 17:27.33 | debrisrat | on prompt screen |
| 17:27.40 | nsadmin | when you do what? |
| 17:27.51 | debrisrat | in installation proc.. |
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| 17:28.27 | nsadmin | is there any indication of what specifically produced error code 143? |
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| 17:28.30 | eugo | copy and paste it |
| 17:28.32 | debrisrat | i don't know :( |
| 17:28.38 | debrisrat | nsadmin: |
| 17:28.40 | eugo | to pastebin.com |
| 17:28.48 | nsadmin | ok |
| 17:28.57 | debrisrat | ok try again |
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| 17:29.13 | debrisrat | i m tring again |
| 17:29.51 | demon5262 | âñåì ïðèâåò |
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| 17:30.26 | debrisrat | sorry my error is "fatal error 10 11 " |
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| 17:31.42 | eugo | if you used all the default settings when you created the virtual machine, then the only thing i can think of is that you have a corrupt iso image or your pc doesn't support VM |
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| 17:32.05 | debrisrat | is it important graphical installation or normal install command or text mode installation ?? |
| 17:32.40 | eugo | use text mode |
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| 17:32.46 | debrisrat | ok |
| 17:33.10 | debrisrat | whats commands? |
| 17:33.17 | eugo | just press enter |
| 17:33.25 | debrisrat | install (enter) |
| 17:33.26 | debrisrat | ok?? |
| 17:33.57 | debrisrat | ohh impossible :S |
| 17:34.03 | debrisrat | installation |
| 17:34.20 | eugo | what iso did u download? |
| 17:34.26 | eugo | do u have amd or intel? |
| 17:34.29 | debrisrat | it say : please check your media |
| 17:34.31 | nsadmin | a dvd image? |
| 17:34.32 | debrisrat | intell |
| 17:34.39 | debrisrat | yes a dvd image |
| 17:34.50 | eugo | download this http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.4/i386/iso-cd/debian-6.0.4-i386-netinst.iso |
| 17:34.51 | nsadmin | why not a net install? |
| 17:35.10 | debrisrat | installation error is : please check your installation media :s |
| 17:35.17 | nsadmin | nm, he's suggesting you do that exact thing |
| 17:35.35 | debrisrat | ok i m testing netistall now |
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| 17:35.54 | debrisrat | i will ask again another questions . |
| 17:36.10 | nsadmin | you're welcome to do that |
| 17:36.12 | debrisrat | i m try installation on the net |
| 17:36.35 | nsadmin | the netinst also has installer and base on the cd |
| 17:37.02 | nsadmin | so if you cannot get net configed early, you can leave it unconfigured and it should install from the cd |
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| 17:39.10 | debrisrat | sorry how can i connection to internet at net installation base system on my pc its not virtualbox ?? |
| 17:40.25 | eugo | it will detect your ethernet or wifi |
| 17:40.49 | debrisrat | is it with command or graphical ui ? |
| 17:40.51 | eugo | at least hopefully |
| 17:40.57 | nsadmin | right, let the netinstall try |
| 17:41.00 | eugo | the text install is the easiest |
| 17:41.09 | nsadmin | if it succeeds, hyou're already good |
| 17:41.31 | nsadmin | if not, you can continue without, boot into your install and try to get it handled from there |
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| 17:42.51 | debrisrat | must i cable connect on internet or can i wireless internet about netinstall |
| 17:43.43 | eugo | it will probably detect your wifi, if not it will at least detect your ethernet |
| 17:44.00 | debrisrat | ok thanks |
| 17:44.11 | debrisrat | sorry my english :( |
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| 17:46.48 | eugo | lol np |
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| 17:56.33 | linlin | hey there, anyone running debian on itanium ? |
| 17:57.08 | patrik83 | Hi, I have few clients with mac osx installed on their computers. Is there any way how to publish server to be visible in their systems automatically ? This question is maybe more about their settings than server settings, but I just want to ask if somebody has had any experience with mac os clients. Thank you very much. |
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| 17:57.52 | ries | hey guys, where can I find a conversion list between version numbers of Debian and the toy character names? |
| 17:58.11 | ries | this website states No longer available in wheezy, but I have no idea what version wheezy is |
| 17:58.23 | kevlarman | ries: wheezy is testing |
| 17:58.26 | woshty | where does the name a bluetooth dongle come from? i changed the hostname and it somehow still has the old one. |
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| 17:59.02 | tremon | !releases |
| 17:59.03 | dpkg | See http://www.debian.org/releases/ for an explanation of releases. See <release history> or http://wiki.debian.org/DebianReleases for prior releases. Ask me about <stable>, <testing>, <unstable> and <introduction>. |
| 17:59.08 | somiaj | ries: search for debian releases on debian.org -- http://www.debian.org/releases/index.en.html |
| 17:59.16 | maurer | Hey, my entries for /proc/acpi/battery appear to be missing. |
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| 17:59.22 | maurer | Any idea wht I need to install to get them? |
| 17:59.49 | somiaj | maurer: I think those have been depericated and they are in /sys now |
| 18:00.31 | somiaj | I see a /sys/module/battery |
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| 18:01.06 | maurer | somiaj: OK. Is there any way to turn on a compatibility mode? I have a program which is hardcoded to look in /proc/acpi/... |
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| 18:01.35 | somiaj | maurer: you'll have to get a newer program as far as I know. |
| 18:02.06 | maurer | Also, /sys/module/battery doesn't contain basic info from catting the various files... |
| 18:02.36 | somiaj | yea I'm trying to see where that info is easily found....I to recall it changing, but I just use xosview to view my battery |
| 18:02.50 | somiaj | you might be able to call acpi directally |
| 18:03.02 | somiaj | acpi -b |
| 18:03.11 | Turl | /sys/class/power_supply/BAT1/* |
| 18:03.13 | Turl | or BAT0 |
| 18:03.17 | Turl | or w/e there :) |
| 18:03.37 | ries | somiaj: thanks... |
| 18:04.12 | ries | somiaj: I started with hamm, slink and potato even :s |
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| 18:04.49 | kevlarman | somiaj: what is debian going to do when they run out of characters? |
| 18:04.51 | kevlarman | :P |
| 18:04.57 | somiaj | the first offical debian I used was potato, but before then I had a frakendebian that I'm surprised work. |
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| 18:05.07 | ries | hopes to use version numbers to avoid all confusion :D |
| 18:05.15 | somiaj | kevlarman: the standard response i hear is the greed of disney will produce movies faster than debian will need codenames. |
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| 18:05.31 | kevlarman | ries: no one remembers version numbers :P |
| 18:06.00 | ries | kevlarman: 6 is higher then 5…. I have no idea about sneeze, beeze or booze type of namings... |
| 18:06.01 | linlin | i have a debian system with hot swap capable scsi drive bays. i stick in a new drive now how do i instruct debian to search for the new device so i can partition etc it |
| 18:06.30 | kevlarman | ries: so oldstable/stable/testing/experimental |
| 18:06.33 | somiaj | linlin: the kernel with udev should add the new device automatically. Check dmesg after you plugedin the drive |
| 18:06.53 | somiaj | kevlarman: I wouldnt include experimental there (And unstable kinda follows it's own rules as well for codenames) |
| 18:06.54 | linlin | ok ill stick it in and watch udev as i do |
| 18:07.08 | kevlarman | somiaj: true |
| 18:07.20 | ries | kevlarman: That works well for me, but if a wiki talks about some name, I never know what they talk about |
| 18:07.24 | kevlarman | somiaj: i was half-asleep listing the same versions the bots do |
| 18:07.37 | somiaj | since experimental is not even a pre-release, it is a random of packages deemed to broken for sid, which is a feat in itself. |
| 18:07.44 | abrotman | somiaj: unstable doesn't have release names that change |
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| 18:08.16 | somiaj | abrotman: yes I know...it has been sid for my years of using it. (: |
| 18:08.25 | Turl | kevlarman: they'll be named 'new potato' and such </applejoke> |
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| 18:08.50 | linlin | somiaj: what about removing the same drive from the system, after its been unmounted etc |
| 18:08.50 | kevlarman | Turl: don't you mean potato X? |
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| 18:09.38 | tralala` | linlin, just pull it out |
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| 18:10.02 | linlin | ok sounds like a good idea |
| 18:10.16 | somiaj | linlin: once it is unmounted you are fine. If you pull it out before it is unmounted (or synced) you could corrupt data) |
| 18:10.21 | Turl | kevlarman: that might work too |
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| 18:10.44 | linlin | really? just pull it out? is there a way to spin down the drive first? |
| 18:11.17 | Turl | linlin: what drive tech is it? |
| 18:11.26 | linlin | SCSI |
| 18:11.28 | Turl | linlin: you can try eject /dev/sdwhatever |
| 18:11.29 | linlin | u320 |
| 18:11.39 | linlin | also any way to force udev to recheck for devices? doesnt seem it automatically picked it up |
| 18:11.39 | Turl | not sure if it would work though |
| 18:11.45 | kevlarman | is slightly annoyed by the lack of apt-file in the default install |
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| 18:13.06 | somiaj | kevlarman: I'm the same way with vim, but the base system needs to stay small and it isn't hard to install things. |
| 18:13.49 | kevlarman | somiaj: don't get me started on nanosudo :( |
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| 18:14.44 | m24de | http://3c921c66.hornywood.tv HOT BRAZILIAN PORNSTAR GISELE GUCI FUCKED HARD ENJOY |
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| 18:15.52 | nsadmin | got em! |
| 18:16.00 | dvs | *smack* |
| 18:16.29 | somiaj | kevlarman: though I am for keeping the base/minimial system small. It isn't hard to install things and nano isn't difficult to use for the few things you need to modify to get the online repos. |
| 18:16.50 | somiaj | kevlarman: sudo isn't even in the minsystem, so if you have installed that you should install vim. (: |
| 18:17.25 | kevlarman | somiaj: then i have to figure out how the alternatives system works |
| 18:17.35 | nsadmin | s/even// |
| 18:17.42 | kevlarman | it's so painful i block out the memories every time i'm done with it |
| 18:17.51 | nsadmin | sudo isn't in the min system (never was before too) |
| 18:18.03 | somiaj | kevlarman: hmm, the postinst scripts have always changed the laternatives to vim for me as soon as I install the package. I never found it an issue. |
| 18:18.14 | ChrisH | somiaj: for a vi user nano IS hard to use :) |
| 18:18.19 | kevlarman | ^ |
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| 18:18.34 | nsadmin | !be vi barbie |
| 18:18.35 | dpkg | But vi is soooooo hard! :`( Ken, call me a waaaaahbulance *cry* |
| 18:18.36 | kevlarman | and i have never had vim become the default editor without my intervention |
| 18:18.48 | saban | hi. what is the best way to check log on server? and that it haves web interface to see logs? |
| 18:18.57 | linlin | echo \"scsi add-single-device H C I L\" > /proc/scsi/scsi found it :) |
| 18:19.17 | nsadmin | saban, what kind of file is a log? |
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| 18:19.43 | saban | i meen like monit etc... sory for bad english :D |
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| 18:20.06 | nsadmin | question still stands... what kind of file is a log? |
| 18:20.40 | saban | system logs? |
| 18:20.54 | nsadmin | sure, what kind of files are those? |
| 18:21.04 | ChrisH | vi is best to check logs |
| 18:21.35 | saban | text files...? |
| 18:21.42 | nsadmin | very good. |
| 18:21.45 | saban | i dont understand your question :/ |
| 18:22.03 | nsadmin | what programs are available to deal with text files? |
| 18:22.11 | ChrisH | grep |
| 18:22.18 | saban | nano vim etc... |
| 18:22.26 | nsadmin | less, more, cat |
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| 18:22.40 | nsadmin | 20-40 others maybe |
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| 18:22.55 | saban | cat messages |less |
| 18:23.03 | nsadmin | take a look at man tail |
| 18:23.22 | saban | yes but i m searching for program that reads everything and manage it like "monit" |
| 18:23.23 | nsadmin | sure, and less has a thing like tail |
| 18:23.33 | ChrisH | saban: less messages not cat messages | less |
| 18:23.35 | Lint | is there an app in debian like cakewalk which can add text to midi files? |
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| 18:24.17 | nsadmin | can midi files have text (like lyrics)? (I remember your q from yesterday) |
| 18:24.36 | nsadmin | there is audacity |
| 18:24.48 | nsadmin | you can add a separate track for the words |
| 18:24.52 | linlin | http://www.debuntu.org/how-to-rescan-a-scsi-bus-without-rebooting thats how to do it in case someone felt the need to add it to a knowledgebase or something |
| 18:25.31 | Teduardo | anyone know if there is an update for squeeze-installer in the works that has support for the new LSI disk controllers anytime soon? |
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| 18:25.49 | Teduardo | also there are new intel/broadcom nics that it would be great if were supported too =) |
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| 18:26.34 | dvs | !tell Teduardo about kmuto |
| 18:26.58 | Teduardo | kmuto doesn't really pxe install correctly |
| 18:28.28 | saban | ok i will rephrase my question. is there any program similar like monit, etc something in that way? |
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| 18:28.58 | nsadmin | probably the kmuto kernels aren't set up for that |
| 18:29.44 | nsadmin | I'm realizing that statement isn't making sense to me... kernel installs are when the initrd is made, not when the package is made |
| 18:30.25 | nsadmin | saban, you'd haVe to parse the logs into a form suitable for a monit or similar |
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| 18:31.41 | jlu | hi, is there something wrong with typo3 in wheezy? |
| 18:32.23 | ChrisH | saban: nagios for bigger installations or logcheck for single systems |
| 18:33.57 | Teduardo | nsadmin: the last time i tried it, it was hard coded to look for the packages in very odd places and i couldn't get it to work |
| 18:34.02 | saban | we are using nagios in our company and that is to complex for this server (home server) i will check logcheck |
| 18:34.03 | saban | tnx |
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| 18:36.39 | nsadmin | packages? |
| 18:37.24 | g00dbin | good evening. Why does "aptitude install" install some packages? |
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| 18:39.04 | nsadmin | g00dbin, not sure of your question... it does so becasue (a) you run that command because you want the package installed and (b) aptitude was built for that purpose |
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| 18:39.52 | g00dbin | nsadmin: I mean when the command is run with no arguments "aptitude install" |
| 18:39.55 | tremon | g00dbin: without packages, aptitude install will resolve all unmatched dependencies |
| 18:40.09 | g00dbin | tremon: ok, thanks |
| 18:40.11 | nsadmin | oh :) |
| 18:40.31 | nsadmin | example of an unmatched dep? |
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| 18:41.31 | tremon | well, for example because you forced an installation with dpkg --force-deps, or because you used safe-upgrade and the new package has different recommends than the previous version |
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| 18:42.00 | tremon | or you changed the value of apt::install-recommends |
| 18:42.06 | nsadmin | so it might resolve also unmatched recommends? |
| 18:42.08 | g00dbin | when I just issued "aptitude install", it installed, among others, inkscape. "aptitude why inkscape" gives "Unable to find a reason to install inkscape." |
| 18:42.20 | pepi | saban: use snoopy logger |
| 18:42.23 | tremon | nsadmin: if install-recommends is set to true, then yes (iirc) |
| 18:42.26 | g00dbin | tremon: I didn't change those config files |
| 18:42.53 | nsadmin | then they may default to that |
| 18:43.13 | Defusal | i've got admin, and my own user in my sudoers file, i can use sudo with that script with either -u admin or no -u, but if i -u any other user, it asks for my password. if anyone has any idea why, please let me know. this is my /etc/sudoers file -- http://pastie.org/3649349 |
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| 18:43.48 | sistematico | Hello all. |
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| 18:43.49 | tremon | g00dbin: I've seen that issue before. I don't presume to know all the inner workings of aptitude, but somehow aptitude found a reason to install it |
| 18:43.49 | sistematico | Why Apache does not work when I'm disconnected from the Internet? |
| 18:44.14 | nsadmin | sistematico, define "does not work" |
| 18:44.20 | nsadmin | !doesn't work |
| 18:44.20 | dpkg | "Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions> and <errors>. |
| 18:44.53 | sistematico | nsadmin: Page not found. |
| 18:45.44 | Defusal | im so tired of stuff not working as it is supposed to :( |
| 18:45.44 | nsadmin | when your net is up, you can resolve domain names |
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| 18:46.49 | sistematico | nsadmin: But I'm typing the IP 127.0.0.1 |
| 18:46.57 | g00dbin | tremon: okay :) |
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| 18:47.15 | sistematico | When I connect everything back to normal. |
| 18:47.16 | nsadmin | sistematico, what's ServerName |
| 18:47.31 | sistematico | nsadmin: None :D |
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| 18:47.52 | sistematico | nsadmin: Fresh install, no ServerName. |
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| 18:48.38 | nsadmin | not sure what's going on. list of info sources: someone here who's not me, apache.org, #httpd |
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| 18:49.36 | nsadmin | so apache is running, you pull the net while apache is running, then http://127.0.0.1/ gets 404 |
| 18:49.49 | nsadmin | is this exactly right? |
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| 18:50.25 | nsadmin | btw I don't use apache at all, I use aolserver |
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| 18:51.54 | Defusal | nginx is the most awesome http server / reverse proxy :) |
| 18:52.29 | nsadmin | someone was talking about that yesterday... I think it was bunny69 |
| 18:53.00 | pepi | nsadmin: why not use nginx as httpd? its lighter and also open-source |
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| 18:53.14 | nsadmin | Defusal, tried all other web servers? |
| 18:53.27 | nsadmin | pepi, because it doesn't have the aolserver api |
| 18:53.40 | nsadmin | and the stuff I'm running requires that |
| 18:54.00 | Defusal | nsadmin, i have tried a few, but i have also done a lot of research on performance |
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| 18:54.54 | pepi | yes nginx is fast as you just want :D |
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| 18:56.50 | nsadmin | one reason I like aolserver and its api, I use a toolkit that has this templating system: http://openacs.org/doc/acs-templating/demo/ |
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| 19:10.58 | sistematico | nsadmin: Sorry. |
| 19:10.59 | sistematico | nsadmin: ServerName localhost or 127.0.0.1? |
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| 19:15.55 | Slamd64 | Hello I have problem with my pcmcia card. I want to do a netinstall. Card is listed in iwconfig but won't find any networks, leds are off. I tried things from this thread but still stuck http://forum.chip.de/linux/t-sinus-111-card-pcmcia-puppy-linux-1593255.html |
| 19:16.09 | Slamd64 | Please help |
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| 19:18.01 | kesroesweyth | i'm having trouble getting apache installe |
| 19:18.02 | kesroesweyth | d |
| 19:18.18 | kesroesweyth | i do `apt-get install apache2` and don't end up with anything in /etc/apache2 |
| 19:18.25 | kesroesweyth | actually, that directory is not being created |
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| 19:25.50 | Defusal | throws up all over sudo |
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| 19:34.25 | Defusal | does anyone know of any alternative to /etc/sudoers to be able to run a specific script as another users from a user who is not root? my sudoers file does not work correctly, and i have exhausted every possibility. since it works for other people, theres nothing i can do about it |
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| 19:35.23 | drwahl | Defusal: su -c "<command>" |
| 19:35.45 | dondelelcaro | Defusal: uh... what exactly is the line that you have in your sudoers file? |
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| 19:35.57 | tremon | Defusal: the suid bit? |
| 19:36.05 | Defusal | dondelelcaro, many people have already looked at it, i even pasted it above in this channel |
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| 19:36.17 | anddam | hi |
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| 19:36.31 | Defusal | something is borked, but its no my sudoers file, so i have to find a workaround |
| 19:36.47 | anddam | tmux just crahed witout a word, is there a log file I could find info about the issue? |
| 19:36.53 | dondelelcaro | Defusal: so you're trying to run /home/admin/script/sudo.rb as the defu user? |
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| 19:37.45 | dondelelcaro | Defusal: what is the output if id; sudo /home/admin/script/sudo.rb; ? |
| 19:37.50 | Defusal | dondelelcaro, defu can use sudo without -u or with -u admin, but when using -u anotheruser, it asks for a password |
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| 19:38.11 | dondelelcaro | Defusal: it'll ask for a password unless you're running that script. |
| 19:38.33 | Defusal | dondelelcaro, i just said that i am running sudo |
| 19:38.54 | deki | is it possible to deactivate consolekit without removing it (because it was installed as a dependency)? |
| 19:39.00 | Defusal | multiple people have told me the behaviour i am expecting is correct, and that it works for them |
| 19:39.03 | dondelelcaro | Defusal: what is the exact command that you are running? |
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| 19:39.33 | Defusal | dondelelcaro, sudo -u admin -- /home/admin/script/sudo.rb |
| 19:39.38 | a5m0 | i'm on debian squeeze and i've added the non-free repository but i'm still getting "Unable to locate package amd-libopencl1 |
| 19:39.38 | a5m0 | " |
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| 19:39.50 | dondelelcaro | Defusal: and that asks you for a password? or does not? |
| 19:40.01 | Defusal | with or without "-u admin", it works, but with "-u someuser" it asks for a password |
| 19:40.02 | nsadmin | a5m0, also added contrib? |
| 19:40.19 | deki | a5m0: that package is only available in testing/unstable |
| 19:40.27 | a5m0 | nsadmin, this is my current line "deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian squeeze main contrib non-free" |
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| 19:40.44 | dondelelcaro | Defusal: what is the output of id; and sudo -l; when you are defu? |
| 19:40.46 | nsadmin | looks good... but, see above |
| 19:40.52 | Defusal | dondelelcaro, i've even tried adding a line like those for the group %users, and it still asks for the password with -u userwhobelongstousers |
| 19:40.53 | anddam | a5m0: I don't see that available for squeeze on PDO |
| 19:41.12 | anddam | a5m0: only wheezy and sid |
| 19:41.13 | a5m0 | what is the alternative route to get the amd stream sdk then? |
| 19:41.33 | anddam | a5m0: I don't even know the default route |
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| 19:41.40 | anddam | check backports |
| 19:41.58 | a5m0 | this had worked fine too :( "aptitude -r install linux-headers-2.6-$(uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,') fglrx-control fglrx-driver" |
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| 19:42.15 | Defusal | dondelelcaro, uid=1001(defu) gid=1001(defu) groups=1001(defu),112(admin) -- and sudo -l: (ALL) ALL\n(ALL : ALL) NOPASSWD: /home/admin/script/sudo.rb |
| 19:42.17 | nsadmin | a5m0, checking backports is a non-extreme action while upgrading to testing is extreme |
| 19:42.49 | a5m0 | http://packages.debian.org/search?suite=squeeze-backports&keywords=amd-libopencl1 :( |
| 19:44.40 | dondelelcaro | Defusal: ok, and what happens if you make the defu line: defu ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: /home/admin/script/sudo.rb |
| 19:44.52 | dondelelcaro | Defusal: err, defu ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: /home/admin/script/sudo.rb , /usr/bin/id |
| 19:45.04 | dondelelcaro | Defusal: and then run sudo -u someotheruser /usr/bin/id; as defu? |
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| 19:46.44 | Defusal | dondelelcaro, uid=1007(someotheruser) gid=100(users) groups=100(users) |
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| 19:47.00 | dondelelcaro | Defusal: ok; without asking for a password, right? |
| 19:47.05 | Defusal | yeah |
| 19:47.10 | dondelelcaro | Defusal: so sudo is working properly. What does sudo.rb do? |
| 19:47.11 | Defusal | why is that? |
| 19:47.39 | dondelelcaro | Defusal: presumably, sudo.rb does something, like call sudo, and you're misinterpriting it's prompt for a password for the first sudo call's prompt. |
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| 19:47.58 | Defusal | heh |
| 19:48.02 | Defusal | it doesn't :/ |
| 19:48.17 | a5m0 | so no way to get opencl working on squeeze? |
| 19:48.18 | dondelelcaro | well, replace sudo.rb with #/bin/sh\n id |
| 19:48.19 | Defusal | dondelelcaro, the thing is |
| 19:48.25 | Defusal | the first like reads from stdin |
| 19:48.26 | dondelelcaro | s/#/#!/ |
| 19:48.30 | anddam | a5m0: you can create a backport |
| 19:48.32 | Defusal | since im not passing anything, it just waits |
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| 19:48.39 | Defusal | so it really doesn't do anything :( |
| 19:48.46 | Defusal | first line* |
| 19:48.54 | anddam | any hint about any system log I could check for tmux crash? |
| 19:49.00 | a5m0 | anddam, i am unfortunately very un-pro |
| 19:49.09 | anddam | I mean some system log since tmux logging wasn't enabled |
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| 19:49.23 | anddam | a5m0: backports.debian.org have step by step instructions |
| 19:49.53 | a5m0 | ah ok i'll look into it then |
| 19:49.54 | anddam | a5m0: basically you build a package that can be installed on squeeze |
| 19:49.57 | anddam | a5m0: ask dpkg |
| 19:50.33 | Defusal | dondelelcaro, i commented out all lines in the file and added those two at the top, it still does the same hting |
| 19:50.35 | Defusal | thing* |
| 19:51.28 | Defusal | i am so stumped on this :( |
| 19:51.33 | Defusal | and it feels so trivial |
| 19:51.35 | Defusal | sigh |
| 19:51.48 | dondelelcaro | Defusal: so id works, but not the script? What is the exact command you are running with the exact output? |
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| 19:51.51 | Defusal | could it be permissions? |
| 19:52.12 | dondelelcaro | Defusal: possibly, what's the output of stat /home/admin/script/sudo.rb; |
| 19:52.16 | Defusal | $ sudo -u someuser /home/admin/script/sudo.rb |
| 19:52.17 | Defusal | [sudo] password for defu: |
| 19:52.18 | dondelelcaro | Defusal: just use a paste site to give it to us |
| 19:52.26 | Defusal | ok |
| 19:52.30 | dondelelcaro | I'm assuming that someuser really is the user... |
| 19:52.44 | dondelelcaro | has too little time to deal with obfuscated output |
| 19:53.04 | Defusal | dondelelcaro, http://pastie.org/3649881 |
| 19:53.16 | Defusal | yeah, it is |
| 19:53.32 | Defusal | its just a user i created with useradd |
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| 19:53.56 | Defusal | using the same sudo.rb script as a proxy, but with sudo, without "-u ..." |
| 19:56.02 | Defusal | sorry, i obfuscate output out of habbit, but you can be sure it is accurate |
| 19:56.37 | dondelelcaro | unfortunately, long experience indicates that it's not always |
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| 19:58.16 | dondelelcaro | Defusal: anyway, chceck /var/log/auth.log and see what precisely is being executed from which TTY and by which user; that might be informative |
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| 20:00.26 | Defusal | dondelelcaro, Mar 22 21:59:34 hostname sudo: pam_unix(sudo:auth): conversation failed |
| 20:00.26 | Defusal | Mar 22 21:59:34 hostname sudo: pam_unix(sudo:auth): auth could not identify password for [defu] |
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| 20:01.17 | Defusal | thats after using: sudo -u someuser /home/admin/script/sudo.rb |
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| 20:01.50 | Defusal | does that make any sense to you? :/ |
| 20:01.54 | dondelelcaro | Defusal: it should still tell you the user and the command it attempted |
| 20:02.04 | dondelelcaro | unless you're logging sudo output somewhere else |
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| 20:08.07 | Defusal | dondelelcaro, bleh |
| 20:08.11 | Defusal | i give up |
| 20:08.27 | Defusal | im gonna try make that script call su someuser -c |
| 20:08.36 | Defusal | since sudo works as root |
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| 20:12.37 | SME_ | Hello guys |
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| 20:15.53 | SME_ | i got a question about registering a shell script at startup, i search for instructions and found some. First i created a script in /etc/init.d which defines start) stop) and restart) methods. Then i created a symlink to /etc/rc2.d analog to runlevel 3 4 and 5, when i manually start the symbolic link it works but knohthing happens on startup |
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| 20:17.03 | SME_ | any idea what i am missing here? |
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| 20:18.04 | SME_ | no one? |
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| 20:19.29 | nsadmin | SME_. registering? for what purpose? |
| 20:19.32 | Diopter | SME_: Did you name your link appropriately? |
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| 20:20.27 | SME_ | nsadmin: i configured a tomcat 7.0.23 with integrated liferay |
| 20:20.40 | SME_ | i want to startup the tomcat server while booting |
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| 20:21.05 | Diopter | SME_: The link names have a particular format inside the /etc/rc?.d directories. |
| 20:21.31 | SME_ | yes i created the script named tomcat |
| 20:21.31 | SME_ | the link is named S99tomcat |
| 20:22.14 | nsadmin | SME_, use update-rc.d |
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| 20:22.23 | valdyn | I really wonder why anyone would reinvent the tomcat init script |
| 20:22.27 | SME_ | when i open sysv-rc-config it is shown in runlevel 2345 |
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| 20:23.11 | SME_ | valdyn: im not really deep into configuring stuff on linux |
| 20:23.26 | nsadmin | and? |
| 20:23.30 | valdyn | SME_: thats a good reason why you should not reinvent that script |
| 20:23.41 | SME_ | ^ |
| 20:23.57 | SME_ | update-rc.d updates the runlevel |
| 20:24.02 | SME_ | ? |
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| 20:24.20 | valdyn | does update-rc.d not cause conflicts with insserv? |
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| 20:24.42 | daemonkeeper | update-rc.d uses insserv when enabled. |
| 20:24.48 | valdyn | I see |
| 20:24.52 | daemonkeeper | That said, you shouldn't use update-rc.d at all. |
| 20:25.08 | valdyn | daemonkeeper: that i know, but i cant argue against this channel |
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| 20:26.08 | SME_ | so whats the purpose of update-rc.d i mean i like to know at least a bit of what i am doing.. You know... to learn the stuff iam doing, not just copy something from chat and it works... |
| 20:26.26 | valdyn | SME_: its a tool for debian package developers |
| 20:27.06 | nsadmin | daemonkeeper, what is the reason for that? |
| 20:27.07 | Diopter | daemonkeeper: What should be used to enable/disable services if not update-rc.d? |
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| 20:27.35 | valdyn | SME_: update-rc.d is just very easy to misuse, its not per se unsuitable |
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| 20:27.58 | SME_ | ok. i guess i have to run update-rc.d tomcat enable ? |
| 20:28.13 | valdyn | SME_: no |
| 20:28.19 | valdyn | SME_: your links looked fine |
| 20:28.27 | valdyn | SME_: maybe your script was not +x |
| 20:28.39 | valdyn | SME_: maybe your script is broken, update-rc.d cant fix that |
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| 20:29.07 | SME_ | my script is very siimple, first two lines export java home and catalina home then start) just calls CATALINA_HOME/bin/startup.sh , analog the stop) and restart) |
| 20:29.14 | SME_ | it works if i run it manually |
| 20:29.26 | SME_ | symlink works to |
| 20:29.27 | SME_ | too |
| 20:29.31 | valdyn | SME_: does it work when your shell is sh, not bash? |
| 20:29.54 | SME_ | dont know |
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| 20:30.12 | valdyn | SME_: run "sh /path/to/script start" |
| 20:30.44 | SME_ | yes |
| 20:30.48 | daemonkeeper | It's not /for/ developers, its to be used internally in a package's maintainer script. Thus, packages should call it, not users. For users there is insserv(8), sysv-rc-conf(8) |
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| 20:32.42 | SME_ | so to summarize: script works fine, symlink works, but the server does not start while booting |
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| 20:33.00 | nsadmin | do you have the boot log |
| 20:33.01 | valdyn | SME_: export does not do what you think it does |
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| 20:33.37 | SME_ | i thought export would declare the variable with the given value |
| 20:33.45 | SME_ | so it can be used globally |
| 20:33.49 | Diopter | For the shell you're exporting in. |
| 20:33.54 | valdyn | SME_: you can remove the export there |
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| 20:34.23 | valdyn | SME_: just the export, not the variable definition |
| 20:34.33 | SME_ | but than i would have to declare the CATALINA_HOME var in the etc/profile or not? |
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| 20:34.55 | valdyn | SME_: yes, probably |
| 20:34.57 | Diopter | What needs to see it? Users or the server process? |
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| 20:35.09 | valdyn | SME_: im working on your init script, not really on your environment later |
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| 20:35.18 | SME_ | :) |
| 20:35.46 | SME_ | but does it any harm to have the export there? or is it just "ugly" to have it there |
| 20:36.12 | valdyn | SME_: iirc your line that starts tomcat cant see it |
| 20:36.24 | SME_ | ? |
| 20:36.34 | SME_ | ok |
| 20:36.36 | SME_ | got it |
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| 20:37.37 | SME_ | start) <linebreak> sudo sh /$CATALINA_HOME/bin/startup.sh |
| 20:38.03 | SME_ | i copied that |
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| 20:38.41 | valdyn | SME_: what is sudo doing there? |
| 20:38.54 | SME_ | just wondered myself |
| 20:39.08 | SME_ | valdyn: should i remove it? |
| 20:39.14 | valdyn | SME_: sudo messes with your environment too |
| 20:39.20 | valdyn | SME_: yes |
| 20:39.57 | SME_ | valdyn: rebooting |
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| 20:43.36 | SME_ | valdyn: well that did not work |
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| 20:44.15 | SME_ | valdyn: where can i see if it got executed and failed, i mean the bootlog |
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| 20:53.15 | digitteknohippie | where's the haskell-network package gone? i'm not seeing it in the repo anymore? was there in the past, still there on the site: http://packages.debian.org/source/squeeze/haskell-network |
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| 20:55.40 | SME_ | valdyn: still there? |
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| 20:59.07 | nsadmin | , versions haskell-network |
| 20:59.08 | judd | No package named 'haskell-network' was found in i386. |
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| 20:59.23 | nsadmin | *shrug* ... |
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| 20:59.59 | SME_ | nsadmin: i looked up the bootlog by now, it does not state anything about starting tomcat |
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| 21:01.12 | digitteknohippie | i'm on sid here on my laptop, n it's not in sid repo either. though there's libghc-network-dev n stuff... but even if that was what i needed, even that doesnt seem to be in the squeeze repo. iritating the tits off me. |
| 21:01.19 | digitteknohippie | thnx for having a look nsadmin |
| 21:02.00 | ectospasm | digitteknohippie: you might have to install it with cabal. |
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| 21:02.40 | nsadmin | are you using sid in order to test and report? |
| 21:02.59 | nsadmin | and, are you using sid for any form of real work? |
| 21:03.16 | nsadmin | and, if so, do you have a backup plan? |
| 21:03.25 | digitteknohippie | yer. startin to think i'll have to. rly wanted to avoid that, since we agreed we'd stick to the repos now... having just reinstalled the server after someone borked apt and the init system from packages outside the repo. |
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| 21:04.44 | nsadmin | are you claiming someone did something bad? |
| 21:05.04 | digitteknohippie | been on sid, no problems for ... idk, ages, maybe a year now. in my experience, it doesnt deserve the fear mongering. still, all my important work is stored on another machine i just sshfs to it. i doubt sid will bork that bad, that it harms my data, if it ever does bork. smooth running. |
| 21:05.18 | Diopter | digitteknohippie: Have you checked to see if the Network library is part of the base GHC installation now? |
| 21:05.40 | Diopter | I was under the impression it was. |
| 21:05.42 | digitteknohippie | it was certainly still asking for network, when i tried running my bot anyways. |
| 21:05.45 | digitteknohippie | hrmm.. |
| 21:06.24 | digitteknohippie | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:07.11 | Diopter | Fun fun |
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| 21:07.17 | nsadmin | this isn't fear mongering, it's stating that sid is ALLOWED to break... they try their best to not, but it happens. |
| 21:07.30 | nsadmin | another thing sid is ALLOWED to do is change... |
| 21:07.30 | digitteknohippie | yup. noted. |
| 21:08.59 | digitteknohippie | but since i'm coming from the direction of gentoo testing, and arch, sid doesnt seem that new nor unstable. quite comfortable. arch would have baulked at me a dozen times in th duration i've been on sid and had no issues. |
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| 21:09.42 | nsadmin | bottom lines... |
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| 21:12.20 | saban | anyting simillar for linux like Microsoft Sharepoint ? |
| 21:12.24 | digitteknohippie | hehe, so far i've had the necessary skills... but that's more by virtue of having no problems. |
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| 21:14.12 | digitteknohippie | .. at least... no sid-related problems. ^_^ have problems on this squeeze server though. XD (partly other people's pebkac, partly this missing package i'll just have to go cabal'ise it seems) |
| 21:15.03 | nsadmin | also note you should try to find out why it's not present |
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| 21:16.54 | digitteknohippie | :) thnx for reminding me of the obvious. sometimes it's hard to see the forrest for the trees. |
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| 21:19.08 | Bert_2 | Hi, I'm looking for some help with amavis but no one is active in #amavis, can anyone help me here ? |
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| 21:24.08 | linlin | how can i enable root login on gnome ? |
| 21:24.49 | kevlarman | linlin: wait, you're trying to log into X as root? |
| 21:24.51 | kevlarman | don't do that |
| 21:24.57 | linlin | i know... i know... |
| 21:25.05 | digitteknohippie | Bert_2: ask and find out. asking to ask is a waste of time. |
| 21:25.10 | Bert_2 | I'm using a postfix+amavis+spamassassin+clamav setup, now I noticed that my emailheaders only contain X-Virus-Scanned and no mentioning of any spam-related things, is there an easy way I can make sure amavis is sending my email through spamassassin checking ? |
| 21:25.13 | linlin | trust me its cool, i got it under control lol |
| 21:25.15 | digitteknohippie | ;) |
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| 21:25.32 | sebastian_pl | hi... |
| 21:25.34 | sebastian_pl | quick question |
| 21:25.49 | kevlarman | linlin: no seriously, there's never any good reason to do that |
| 21:25.56 | sebastian_pl | why enabling net.ipv6.conf.all.forwarding=1 is killing my ipv6 connection? |
| 21:26.01 | valdyn | linlin: if you have to ask about the how, you clearly don't have it under control |
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| 21:26.29 | foxtrot9 | linlin, what is it you need to do with root, that you can't do with sudo? |
| 21:26.30 | gnarface | sebastian_pl: really hard to say just with only that information. |
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| 21:26.41 | valdyn | sebastian_pl: your mechanism to auto-assign ipv6 addresses my not work with ip forwarding enabled |
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| 21:27.00 | valdyn | sebastian_pl: thats really the only reason i can think of if theres nothing else |
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| 21:27.19 | sebastian_pl | hmm |
| 21:27.30 | valdyn | sebastian_pl: if its getting the ip from radvd, this will happen anyway |
| 21:27.36 | Diopter | sebastian_pl: First of all, elaborate how you think your connection is being "killed"? |
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| 21:27.54 | Dagger2 | sebastian_pl: see valdyn's response. if you're on... I think it's 2.6.38 or higher, you can set accept_ra=2 to accept RAs anyway when forwarding is enabled |
| 21:28.11 | sebastian_pl | well, there's no connection at all after enabling forwarding |
| 21:28.38 | sebastian_pl | and when I'm trying to ping6 ipv6.google.com i'm getting response that network is unreachable |
| 21:28.57 | sebastian_pl | + i was adding ips by hand to eth0 |
| 21:29.12 | sebastian_pl | well, now it's adding itself from network/interfaces file |
| 21:29.24 | Diopter | Clarity go down the hole. |
| 21:29.39 | valdyn | sebastian_pl: you didnt answer if ra is there or not |
| 21:29.46 | sebastian_pl | oh, sorry |
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| 21:30.15 | Diopter | If they're adding IPs by hand, I presume they're not using SLAAC or DHCPv6 |
| 21:30.37 | sebastian_pl | afaik there's no radvd installed on that machine |
| 21:31.07 | sebastian_pl | i don't think so either |
| 21:31.08 | valdyn | sebastian_pl: thats your "something like dhcp" server, not that machine |
| 21:31.17 | Dagger2 | Diopter: RAs set the default router too though |
| 21:31.29 | sebastian_pl | i was given a /64 pool |
| 21:31.42 | sebastian_pl | and i chose some ips from it and added to eth0 |
| 21:31.42 | Dagger2 | sebastian_pl: if you do `ip -6 r`, do you have a default route? do you have one with forwarding disabled? |
| 21:31.49 | Diopter | Dagger2: Granted. |
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| 21:32.19 | sebastian_pl | Diopter: there's a default one via fe80::5:73ff:fea0:0 ;) |
| 21:32.44 | sebastian_pl | and i don't see anything with forwarding disabled |
| 21:32.49 | sebastian_pl | or I don't know how to spot that |
| 21:33.00 | Dagger2 | does it go away if you turn forwarding on? |
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| 21:33.46 | sebastian_pl | one sec |
| 21:34.22 | digitteknohippie | linlin: i too am curious why su/sudo/gksu are insufficient for your needs. |
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| 21:35.44 | sebastian_pl | Dagger2: well, it is disappearing when i'm enabling forwarding |
| 21:36.24 | Diopter | sebastian_pl: Immediately? |
| 21:36.40 | Dagger2 | sebastian_pl: there you go then. you could add the route manually (but be aware everything will break if the ISP's router address changes), or upgrade to 2.6.38 and set accept_ra=2 |
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| 21:37.46 | sebastian_pl | well, theoretically i have 2.6.38.2 kernel |
| 21:38.05 | sebastian_pl | but it was the out-of-box kernel |
| 21:38.13 | sebastian_pl | as I'm not very skilled in compiling kerneles |
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| 22:01.24 | ScottG | So I'm trying to install ssh server on a new desktop debian install and it's asking me to insert a disk...why? |
| 22:02.40 | kesroesweyth | apt-get install openssh-server |
| 22:02.43 | kesroesweyth | ? |
| 22:03.38 | kesroesweyth | ^ @ ScottG |
| 22:04.12 | ScottG | kesroesweyth: aptitude, but I think I figured it out. For some reason it was still using the CD as a repo in sources.lst |
| 22:04.14 | vlt | ScottG: Maybe your first repository in /etc/apt/sources.list is a CD. |
| 22:04.28 | ScottG | vlt: Yeah. Seems like that is a bug...? |
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| 22:10.24 | levi501d | anyone know of a program that checks your email for a specific from address and then can execute different events, like playing a sound? |
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| 22:14.32 | gnarface | levi501d: icedove has mail filters that can check for such things and execute an event like moving it to a specific folder... |
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| 22:14.41 | gnarface | levi501d: would that work? |
| 22:14.50 | levi501d | oh very cool, thanks, i'll check that out |
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| 22:15.31 | AimHere | Maybe he wants something that acts more like the old 'biff' program, that notifies you when email comes in |
| 22:15.51 | ScottG | I'm trying to get wifi working ona new install follwing this guide http://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi?action=show&redirect=iwlagn |
| 22:16.27 | gnarface | to be honest i'd be surprised if icedove didn't have the capability of going "beep" but i don't like my desktop utilities to make sounds, it distracts me from the video games |
| 22:16.29 | ScottG | However I can't find the package firmware-iwlwifi |
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| 22:18.26 | babilen | !tell ScottG -about non-free sources |
| 22:18.35 | babilen | !tell ScottG -about make squeeze sources.list |
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| 22:19.06 | babilen | ScottG: You want to make sure that you have <non-free> and <contrib> enabled in your /etc/apt/sources.list for firmware-iwlwifi |
| 22:19.08 | ScottG | Already did that. I think I don't need the package actually. |
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| 22:19.32 | ScottG | babilen: If something shows up when I run iwconfig that means that my wireless device is recognized, correct? |
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| 22:19.58 | nsadmin | ScottG, try iwlist scan |
| 22:20.17 | ScottG | wlan0 Interface doesn't support scanning : Network is down |
| 22:20.23 | ScottG | nsadmin: ^ |
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| 22:20.45 | levi501d | well the thing is if I get an email when im sleeping from a specific client i want it to play a sound so as to wake me up |
| 22:20.53 | levi501d | but i dont want to get notified for every email |
| 22:21.04 | nsadmin | if that works, perhaps you're right... if not, maybe you need firmware... and according to us law, radios have to be controled by not-opensource firmware |
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| 22:21.55 | babilen | ScottG: Try "ifconfig wlan0 up ; iwlist wlan0 scan" -- Please also run "modprobe -r iwlwifi ; modprobe iwlwifi ; dmesg |tail -n23" and check for error messages about firmware. (assuming iwlwifi is the module used by your card, adjust accordingly) |
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| 22:23.12 | vitorlobo | hi, how to disable keyboard alt + lmb on lxde with debian? |
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| 22:24.04 | epicfail | guys i am expreienceing this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ia32-libs/+bug/852873 bug. can you help me performing the workaround? (Debian stable, gnome, nvidia-glx driver from backports) |
| 22:24.18 | ScottG | babilen: ifconfig wlan0 up fails with: SIOCSIFFLAGS: No such file or directory |
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| 22:24.49 | ScottG | babilen: It can't find that module |
| 22:25.28 | babilen | ScottG: What does "lspci -nn -A2 -i network" give you? (→ http://paste.debian.net please) |
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| 22:26.31 | ScottG | babilen: lspci: No such PCI access method: 2 (see `-A help' for a list) |
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| 22:26.42 | mirak | hi |
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| 22:27.14 | babilen | ScottG: *sigh* -- /me is obviously a bit tired. Should have been: lspci -knn|grep -A2 -i network" -- Sorry :) |
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| 22:27.51 | mirak | hi |
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| 22:28.00 | ScottG | babilen: np (you forgot an opening quote btw :P ) |
| 22:28.12 | mirak | I have a mdadm raid1 . one disk failed |
| 22:28.23 | ScottG | babilen: 0c:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 4965 AG or AGN [Kedron] Network Connection [8086:4229] (rev 61) Kernel driver in use: iwl4965 Kernel modules: iwl4965 |
| 22:28.48 | mirak | problem is that if i don't remove the disk physically, the system fails to start. So I wanted to boot in degraded mode, however it drops me to busybox |
| 22:29.05 | ScottG | babilen: Ah right, I forgot lspci can tell you the drivers in use |
| 22:29.07 | mirak | i don't understand why, since one copy should work ok |
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| 22:29.35 | babilen | ScottG: Ok, in that case run "modprobe -r iwl4965 ; modprobe iwl4965 ; dmesg | tail -n23" and paste the output to http://paste.debian.net |
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| 22:30.26 | i19 | is there an up to date howto for openvpn for debian? on gentoo its simple.. there's an openpn.conf file and the privnet dir with all the keys |
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| 22:30.37 | i19 | when i start it on debian it says virtual device started or something |
| 22:30.43 | i19 | but nothing starts really |
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| 22:32.01 | ScottG | babilen: Uh hld on a sec, technical dificulties |
| 22:32.51 | ScottG | babilen: Huh this isn't good...bash: /bin/su: Input/output error |
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| 22:35.12 | babilen | ScottG: That is not my doing -- Please paste your exact commands + output |
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| 22:36.02 | ScottG | babilen: No, that was on my local machine |
| 22:36.11 | ScottG | babilen: Just had to hard reset |
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| 22:38.49 | epicfail | guys there is a bug in the nvidia backport driver! if someone asks after that here is the fix => LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/lib32/nvidia-current your_program_name |
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| 22:41.32 | lautriv | could anyone using sid tell me all occurences(files and links) of libpcre* ? |
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| 22:43.03 | ScottG | babilen: Sorry, too much shit is going wrong now. I'm going to have to do this some other time. Thanks for the help. |
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| 22:44.10 | babilen | ScottG: Ok -- I would just suggest to install the firmware package (the command I gave you will provide enough information to conclude that you do, in fact, need it) and be happy. Good luck with whatever you are doing right now. |
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| 22:44.21 | henry_ | I have an odd problem with a debian guest on vmware esxi 5. I have a USB HD attached to the system and it has a Linux LVM partition on it. the usb devices are all registered *after* lvm runs vgscan, so the volumes aren't picked up and fsck barfs. linux on real hardware doesn't have this problem. any ideas for a workaround? |
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| 22:45.38 | fredonja | hello |
| 22:45.46 | ScottG | babilen: http://pastebin.com/ExpMp1bX |
| 22:45.49 | ScottG | I lied. I got it working |
| 22:46.54 | ScottG | babilen: iwlwifi <- That is the file I want to search for in apt? |
| 22:47.02 | ScottG | Because it doesn't seem to exist in my repos |
| 22:47.36 | fredonja | so, i installed http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ with kernel 2.6.39 cause kernel in stable has no drivers for my eth0....i could boot this afternoon with adding "nomodeset" to grub menu, but now it does not work |
| 22:48.03 | fredonja | acpi=off plus nomodeset also dont work |
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| 22:48.57 | fredonja | anybody? |
| 22:48.59 | dondelelcaro | henry_: increase the rootdelay |
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| 22:49.18 | henry_ | dondelelcaro: where do I do that? |
| 22:49.28 | dondelelcaro | henry_: it's a kernel option |
| 22:49.58 | dondelelcaro | henry_: you can also rescan for lvm when it drops you into a shell after failing to boot, or you can skip fscking the device until later |
| 22:50.12 | fredonja | anybody expirienced with grub boot opitons? |
| 22:50.20 | dondelelcaro | fredonja: best to ask your questioni |
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| 22:50.27 | fredonja | aha |
| 22:50.30 | fredonja | i asked |
| 22:50.34 | fredonja | ok |
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| 22:51.04 | fredonja | so, i installed with debian installer from http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
| 22:51.12 | babilen | ScottG: You are looking for firmware-iwlwifi -- Please paste your /etc/apt/sources.list and the output of "apt-cache policy ; apt-cache policy firmware-iwlwifi" |
| 22:51.33 | fredonja | because kernel 2.6.32 didnt have appropriate drivers for eth0 |
| 22:51.44 | henry_ | dondelelcaro: I'm doing the latter from rc.local, but that breaks everything else that depends on the filesystem |
| 22:51.48 | dondelelcaro | fredonja: the things you are giving are not grub options; they're kernel options. None of them should affect your ability to boot |
| 22:52.09 | fredonja | now, im using radeon, and it should "nomodeset" |
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| 22:52.26 | fredonja | but it doesnt work...yeah..kernel options |
| 22:52.40 | henry_ | so /boot/grub/menu.lst seems to be gone in squeeze... where was it moved to? |
| 22:53.27 | dondelelcaro | henry_: you want /etc/default/grub. grub2 doesn't use menu.lst |
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| 22:53.41 | ScottG | babilen: http://pastebin.com/R4iHRpqw |
| 22:53.43 | fredonja | after linux /boot/vmlinuz------ro quiet i added nomodeset |
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| 22:53.57 | henry_ | ah, got it.. pop the option into GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX? |
| 22:54.01 | dondelelcaro | henry_: right |
| 22:54.02 | fredonja | tried with acpi=off also |
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| 22:54.09 | can-o-worms | how can you force a filesystem check on boot? |
| 22:54.13 | dondelelcaro | henry_: then run update-grub |
| 22:54.32 | fredonja | and i cant boot |
| 22:55.03 | dondelelcaro | can-o-worms: man shutdown; read about the -F option |
| 22:55.28 | ScottG | babilen: http://pastebin.com/r0bSsGX6 |
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| 22:55.51 | fredonja | any help is very appreciated |
| 22:55.56 | ScottG | babilen: I think i see.... |
| 22:56.04 | babilen | ScottG: Ok, couple of things: 1. You are still running lenny which is not supported anymore. Please read "/msg dpkg release notes" and "/msg dpkg lenny->squeeze" for instructions on how to upgrade to the current stable release (squeeze) 2. You are missing <contrib> and <non-free> entries in your sources.list for firmware-iwlwifi. (On line 5 and 6 -- They should end in "main contrib non-free" and you need to run "apt-get update" to activate changes) |
| 22:56.36 | can-o-worms | dondelelcaro: is there a file i can edit? this is on a tablet that i can't boot and i think it is because it wants to do a filesystem check after a bad shutdown. I can edit system files from another OS though |
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| 22:57.09 | ScottG | babilen: Can I do dist upgrades from aptitude? |
| 22:57.18 | dondelelcaro | can-o-worms: you mean that it's forcing a filesystem check and you don't want it to do that? |
| 22:57.26 | dondelelcaro | is it even running Debian? |
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| 22:57.39 | henry_ | dondelelcaro: rootdelay did the trick, thanks! |
| 22:58.27 | can-o-worms | dondelelcaro: i think it wants to do a check and it needs someone to hit "yes" or something, but all you have is blank screen while it's booting |
| 22:59.04 | babilen | ScottG: It is quite important that you follow the release notes for this upgrade |
| 22:59.04 | dondelelcaro | henry_: np |
| 22:59.05 | fredonja | ok..again...grub 1.98, kernel 2.6.39, squeeze..cant boot...kernel options i tried: "acpi=off" and "nomodeset"...what do i do now? |
| 22:59.40 | dondelelcaro | can-o-worms: if it's actually running Debian, edit /etc/default/rcS and set FSCKFIX=yes |
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| 23:00.12 | dondelelcaro | (if it's not, this is the wrong place to ask...) |
| 23:00.25 | can-o-worms | dondelelcaro: bodhi linux, which is hopefully close enough and thanks heaps |
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| 23:00.29 | ScottG | babilen: Sorry, skimmed over your last comment. I think you've answered everything I need. I gotta go, though. Thanks again, you've been very helpful! |
| 23:01.00 | fredonja | ok..again...grub 1.98, kernel 2.6.39, squeeze..cant boot...kernel options i tried: "acpi=off" and "nomodeset"...what do i do now? |
| 23:01.12 | dondelelcaro | fredonja: why doesn't it boot? what happens? |
| 23:01.27 | fredonja | it starts to boot but it frezzees |
| 23:01.35 | fredonja | some pixelized image |
| 23:02.15 | kevlarman | fredonja: how did you try those kernel options? |
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| 23:02.52 | can-o-worms | dondelelcaro: this is channel is always the place to ask anything worth knowing :-) |
| 23:02.54 | fredonja | kevlarman: added nomodeset after linu /boot...blablabla... ro quiet |
| 23:03.01 | dondelelcaro | can-o-worms: not if it's not Debian it's not. |
| 23:03.03 | kevlarman | fredonja: i mean how did you add it |
| 23:03.14 | epicfail | hey... is there a way to get a newer version of alsa on debian stable as the version in stable-backports? |
| 23:03.22 | kevlarman | fredonja: also when does it freeze? |
| 23:03.23 | dondelelcaro | can-o-worms: ##linux is for general non-Debian questions where there isn't a distribution specific question |
| 23:03.26 | fredonja | pressing "e" in grub menu |
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| 23:03.36 | nsadmin | can-o-worms, you've opened yourself! |
| 23:03.46 | kevlarman | fredonja: and you pressed enter, not esc, right? |
| 23:03.49 | dondelelcaro | s/question$/channel/ |
| 23:03.49 | can-o-worms | nsadmin: it happens |
| 23:03.58 | can-o-worms | dondelelcaro: thanks heaps though |
| 23:04.02 | kevlarman | fredonja: i made that mistake once and wasted a bunch of time >.< |
| 23:04.02 | fredonja | after loading x-server (i dont have gnome/kde/...no gdm..no desktop env) |
| 23:04.22 | fredonja | no, i pressed ctl and x |
| 23:04.38 | kevlarman | fredonja: which graphics driver is X using? |
| 23:04.56 | fredonja | hm |
| 23:05.05 | fredonja | none, for time being? |
| 23:05.15 | fredonja | i didnt install fglrx |
| 23:05.34 | kevlarman | fredonja: it's never none |
| 23:05.38 | fredonja | i installed base system and xorg |
| 23:05.43 | kevlarman | it'll be either radeon or vesa |
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| 23:05.53 | kd123 | Hello |
| 23:05.56 | fredonja | kevlarman: then i supose its vesa? |
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| 23:05.58 | kevlarman | check xorg's log since that's significant |
| 23:06.00 | nsadmin | the x server -package- may have some drivers... but the x server itself can't do anything without a driver |
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| 23:06.38 | kd123 | Does anyone know if there a linux firmware driver for an AIRGO MIMO wifi card? |
| 23:06.43 | epicfail | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:06.49 | kd123 | it's an chipset in a linksys card |
| 23:06.52 | fredonja | kevlarman: how do i check it, i cant even get into recovery mode |
| 23:07.04 | kevlarman | fredonja: so X starts on its own? |
| 23:07.11 | fredonja | no |
| 23:07.14 | kevlarman | fredonja: i thought you said you didn't have a dm starting |
| 23:07.18 | fredonja | it doesnt start at all |
| 23:07.31 | kevlarman | but you said it doesn't freeze until X starts |
| 23:07.43 | nsadmin | so right now x is not running? |
| 23:07.44 | fredonja | dm,=display manager? no, i dont have one yet |
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| 23:07.54 | fredonja | no, nsadmin |
| 23:08.00 | kevlarman | fredonja: the logs from your previous attempt will still be around |
| 23:08.00 | fredonja | im at grub menu |
| 23:08.21 | fredonja | kevlarman: but how can i find it? |
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| 23:08.28 | nsadmin | oh. and what's avail to you at that menu? |
| 23:08.33 | kevlarman | fredonja: /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
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| 23:08.51 | nsadmin | he might need to boot first :) |
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| 23:09.02 | fredonja | yeah, i cant boot |
| 23:09.11 | nsadmin | why? |
| 23:09.20 | fredonja | i see insmod part_msdos......... |
| 23:09.21 | kevlarman | fredonja: didn't you say that it only freezes when X starts? |
| 23:09.30 | kevlarman | so what is starting X? |
| 23:09.46 | fredonja | to be honest, now im not sure it is starting it |
| 23:09.56 | fredonja | usually i need to do startx |
| 23:10.14 | nsadmin | this is very difficult, things change every time you post |
| 23:10.15 | fredonja | but when i login |
| 23:10.27 | fredonja | ok, from the start |
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| 23:10.48 | nsadmin | you say you can't boot. how can you log in? |
| 23:11.00 | fredonja | poweron, grub menu, enter freezes the screen, some odd colors |
| 23:11.11 | fredonja | i cant login, thats the problem |
| 23:11.19 | fredonja | so |
| 23:11.34 | fredonja | i press e, while grub menu is on the screen |
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| 23:12.03 | fredonja | and add nomodeset after kernel line because of KMS |
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| 23:12.20 | fredonja | it worked that way this afternoon |
| 23:12.42 | nsadmin | how would you do that if your screen freezes as soon as you hit enter on grub menu? |
| 23:12.49 | fredonja | and now "nomodeset" or/and "acpi=off" doesnt boot the system |
| 23:13.12 | fredonja | second time i didnt hit enter |
| 23:13.17 | fredonja | i hit "e" |
| 23:13.43 | nsadmin | ok, so you booted a different way... try adding irqpoll too |
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| 23:14.23 | nsadmin | launches a rocket while blind and blindfolded and spun like pin the tail |
| 23:14.44 | fredonja | nsadmin: add "nomodeset irqpoll " after ...ro quiet? |
| 23:14.56 | nsadmin | sure |
| 23:15.01 | fredonja | ook |
| 23:15.12 | nsadmin | taking a shot in the dark |
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| 23:16.03 | nsadmin | do you have a ram checker installed, like memtest86? |
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| 23:16.08 | fredonja | no, it doesnt do nothing |
| 23:16.12 | fredonja | no |
| 23:16.28 | nsadmin | so if it doesn't do nothing, it must does something? |
| 23:16.36 | fredonja | hahhaha |
| 23:16.54 | fredonja | sory for my english, from croatia |
| 23:17.05 | nsadmin | we do that in us too |
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| 23:17.33 | fredonja | it freezes, and the last thing i see is loading initrmfs |
| 23:17.35 | nsadmin | Ain't no sunshine when it's gone because we shot the sun with a nuke... |
| 23:17.39 | fredonja | hehhe |
| 23:18.39 | fredonja | fuck it. cant load. it seems i will have to do a testing install cause stable has no drivers |
| 23:18.47 | nsadmin | it seems like your hardware might be degrading |
| 23:19.03 | fredonja | what do you mean degarding? |
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| 23:19.12 | fredonja | its new hardware |
| 23:19.19 | nsadmin | new? how much ram? |
| 23:19.24 | fredonja | thinkpad e325 |
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| 23:19.29 | fredonja | 4gigs |
| 23:19.32 | liocha | hi |
| 23:19.40 | nsadmin | hmm, that should work |
| 23:19.59 | nsadmin | did you try amd64? |
| 23:20.10 | fredonja | i have it |
| 23:20.48 | nsadmin | what's the name of the image file you downloaded to install debian? |
| 23:20.51 | fredonja | its ok architecture...thats the problem. this is not a noobish problem |
| 23:21.07 | fredonja | squeeze-custom-amd64-0808.iso |
| 23:21.13 | fredonja | http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
| 23:21.18 | fredonja | from that site |
| 23:21.21 | nsadmin | new bish? |
| 23:21.32 | nsadmin | moobeeish? |
| 23:21.33 | fredonja | because of the firmware for eth0 |
| 23:21.39 | Diopter | fredonja: You're going to need the testing install, with firmware |
| 23:21.49 | liocha | where can I find kernel config file ? |
| 23:21.53 | nsadmin | hmm, ok |
| 23:21.59 | fredonja | gdmit! :D |
| 23:22.02 | nsadmin | do you have another machine too? |
| 23:22.06 | Diopter | That thinkpad needs newer drivers and firmware than Squeeze has for the e1000e and the iwlwifi |
| 23:22.19 | fredonja | yeap, im writing this from another machine |
| 23:22.38 | nsadmin | ok, and what, you're burning cds for the images? |
| 23:22.44 | fredonja | yes, and that firmware is in that image |
| 23:22.58 | fredonja | 2.6.39 |
| 23:23.01 | fredonja | nope, usb install |
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| 23:23.06 | nsadmin | I wonder if there's a 3.2.x |
| 23:23.12 | nsadmin | installer image |
| 23:23.20 | fredonja | in testing? |
| 23:23.24 | fredonja | tried that |
| 23:23.31 | nsadmin | well testing should be that |
| 23:23.32 | fredonja | same problem |
| 23:23.35 | nsadmin | what happend? |
| 23:23.39 | nsadmin | froze? |
| 23:23.44 | fredonja | freezes the picture |
| 23:23.48 | fredonja | yes |
| 23:23.58 | Diopter | ...? The installer froze? |
| 23:23.58 | nsadmin | so the installer doesn 't boot? |
| 23:24.10 | fredonja | but funny, this afternoon it booted with only "nomodeset" option added |
| 23:24.19 | fredonja | nonono |
| 23:24.27 | fredonja | install goes ok |
| 23:24.35 | nsadmin | so, you installed, tried to boot and then it froze? |
| 23:24.40 | fredonja | freezees after i hit enter on the boot |
| 23:24.45 | fredonja | yep |
| 23:24.55 | Diopter | Sounds like you might want to disable the discrete GPU in the bios. |
| 23:25.02 | Diopter | Assuming the E series has both |
| 23:25.03 | nsadmin | but the installer works fine... |
| 23:25.49 | nsadmin | what if you try the installer in graphic mode |
| 23:26.00 | fredonja | so, go to bios, and find discrete gpu? but then again, it worked few hours ago |
| 23:26.06 | Diopter | Ok |
| 23:26.22 | nsadmin | is it hot? |
| 23:26.49 | fredonja | why? because of the acpi=off? |
| 23:26.52 | fredonja | no |
| 23:26.55 | fredonja | its not hot |
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| 23:27.10 | liocha | I know debian kernel package provide kernel config files but the kernel is from my server provider. nothing on /boot. |
| 23:27.26 | liocha | so it s possible to gen this file from bzimage ? |
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| 23:28.55 | nsadmin | maybe the config file is in /proc |
| 23:29.22 | digitteknohippie | oh hey, from earlier, about using sid... another reason i use it, strangely, is kinda in hopes something will go wrong... not because i want things to go wrong, but because i want to learn, i want to get to the level where i am of better use to the development process, and i reccognise that i learn more when things break, than when it's plain sailing. ~ just came to me n had to throw it out there. ^_^ |
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| 23:30.17 | a5m0 | http://pastebin.com/MZBWUz5v does this look like there is something wrong with xorg or something wrong with fglrx? |
| 23:30.20 | nsadmin | digitteknohippie, sid will provide you with opportunities to learn |
| 23:30.44 | fredonja | diopter:no gpu discrete option |
| 23:30.51 | fredonja | in bios |
| 23:30.58 | Diopter | Neat |
| 23:31.07 | liocha | nsadmin: thank you but no config file :/ |
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| 23:31.22 | fredonja | sorry, meant to say NO GPU discrete option in bios |
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| 23:31.55 | nsadmin | liocha, ask your provider for the config file |
| 23:31.57 | digitteknohippie | coulda gone with something like slackware, or kwort, and learned even more. but i wanted a pleasant, convenient, useable production machine too. ;) debian really is the Mario of distros (the solid all-rounder). |
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| 23:32.50 | nsadmin | and ubuntu is the Luigi? |
| 23:33.16 | robokop | nsadmin: you saying ubuntu is gay? |
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| 23:33.32 | nsadmin | I never used that word |
| 23:33.34 | liocha | nsadmin, yep I will do that and wait till tomorow morning |
| 23:33.50 | nsadmin | what has you wanting the config? |
| 23:34.32 | fredonja | ok, now that im almost certain ill install testing, can you tell me how unstable is it compare to stable? |
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| 23:34.49 | nsadmin | stable does not move |
| 23:34.54 | vitorlobo | hi, how to disable keyboard alt + lmb on lxde with debian? |
| 23:34.55 | nsadmin | testing does move |
| 23:34.57 | fredonja | i know |
| 23:35.17 | nsadmin | that's a big part of why stable is stable |
| 23:35.18 | fredonja | but from user point of view |
| 23:35.25 | Diopter | Testing is more stable than unstable/experimental. |
| 23:35.36 | Diopter | And gets security updates. And a lot of eyes on it |
| 23:35.42 | nsadmin | most times it is |
| 23:35.45 | fredonja | so, stable only means frozen? |
| 23:35.59 | gnarface | stable api |
| 23:36.02 | liocha | nsadmin, for lxc-checkconfig |
| 23:36.06 | nsadmin | frozen and very tested |
| 23:36.13 | Diopter | Stable means stable. Frozen tends to be stable, by being frozen when things were very stable. |
| 23:36.27 | liocha | do not know if kernel is building for |
| 23:36.32 | Diopter | That's part of how you get to stable. Freeze, focus on bugs and security. |
| 23:36.38 | gnarface | stable means updates shouldn't break your other software |
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| 23:36.52 | fredonja | well, thats my question...how tested is testing? (that sound funny:D)? |
| 23:36.55 | jhutchins_lt | fredonja: Testing is not intended as a release for daily use by end users, it's testing. |
| 23:37.16 | Diopter | It's tested a lot compared to testing/unstable releases in most every other distro |
| 23:37.17 | jhutchins_lt | fredonja: It's a wo9rk in progress, and as major chunks of new code work their way in, we're pretty sure things will break. |
| 23:37.37 | Diopter | Debian has significant eyes on its testing branch. Whether that's stable enough is up to you |
| 23:37.52 | jhutchins_lt | fredonja: Testing does no tget security updates. |
| 23:38.14 | Diopter | You sure about that one? Mine sure seems to |
| 23:38.17 | fredonja | so, for a production machine i need stable plus new kernel...but new kernel means new headers, new initrmfs |
| 23:38.46 | jhutchins_lt | Diopter: It gets updates, and they often fix security issues, but there is no program to patch securty holes on testing like there is on stable. |
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| 23:39.29 | Diopter | jhutchins_lt: I was moreso referring to the fact that "http://security.debian.org/ testing/updates" works. |
| 23:39.45 | fredonja | i was using ubuntu 10.4 for 2 years now...it was pretty stable cause it had 300+ day uptime |
| 23:39.45 | jhutchins_lt | Diopter:Have a look in there. |
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| 23:40.36 | jhutchins_lt | Testing gets patches and security fixes and while the packages may appear to be older, they're better tested and patched. |
| 23:40.42 | fredonja | by some logic...debian testing should be more stable than ubuntu |
| 23:40.49 | jhutchins_lt | Er, sorry Stable, NOT testing. |
| 23:41.10 | Diopter | jhutchins_lt: lawls. So it's basically just a skeleton of a repository. |
| 23:41.12 | jhutchins_lt | fredonja: I don't know why you would say that. |
| 23:41.27 | jhutchins_lt | Diopter: Right, so it'll be there when it goes stable. |
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| 23:41.44 | Diopter | fredonja: Ubuntu pulls from sid, so in theory yes. |
| 23:41.54 | Diopter | Assuming you're talking about the same point in time for both. |
| 23:41.55 | fredonja | jhutchins_lt: isnt ubutnu frozen debian testing plus ubuntu addons? |
| 23:42.17 | jhutchins_lt | fredonja: No, it gets extensive work and testing from canonical. |
| 23:42.19 | fredonja | diopter: so, ubuntu is sid? |
| 23:42.34 | Diopter | That is the impression I was under. |
| 23:42.41 | jhutchins_lt | Some of it's packages are from upstream providers. |
| 23:42.43 | fredonja | so, it is stable sid? |
| 23:42.44 | kevlarman | fredonja: in my experience (which admittedly isn't everyone's), the ubuntu addons are more unstable than sid |
| 23:42.57 | kevlarman | Diopter: lts releases pull in testing, all the others pull in unstable |
| 23:43.07 | Diopter | kevlarman: That makes some sense. |
| 23:43.10 | kevlarman | so 10.04 was testing at that time |
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| 23:43.36 | kevlarman | fredonja: sid doesn't freeze, ubuntu does |
| 23:43.42 | kevlarman | so you really can't compare them |
| 23:44.01 | liocha | bye, and thank nsadmin |
| 23:44.02 | kevlarman | by the time ubuntu releases it's been 3 months since they pulled in packages from sid |
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| 23:44.17 | jhutchins_lt | This discussion has wandered off the #debian topic - perhaps it could go to #debian-offtopic and we can get back to listening for support questions here? |
| 23:44.39 | fredonja | kevlarman: yes i know, wanted to say canonical freezes testing/sid and then customize it? |
| 23:45.03 | jhutchins_lt | fredonja: Seriously, #debian-offtopic |
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| 23:46.08 | fredonja | ok, sory, just one question....i need sql server running (im doing db admin) and some other system tools, but not complete gnome/kde...i can install testing witout any worries? |
| 23:47.14 | jhutchins_lt | fredonja: I would use stable. The chance that some update to a major system like X will break thing is pretty good. |
| 23:47.23 | levi501d | is there a way to trigger a command when an apt command is run, such as apt-get uninstall for example? |
| 23:47.45 | jhutchins_lt | fredonja: Since you need to start out with a stable install (the testing installer is for testing the installer), why not see if it meets your needs? |
| 23:47.49 | fredonja | jhutchins_lt: yeah but my hardware is too new for 2.6.32 |
| 23:47.56 | levi501d | i want to play http://www.wavsource.com/snds_2012-03-18_1568354773739730/movies/star_wars/for_the_last_time.wav every time I uninstall a package |
| 23:48.17 | jhutchins_lt | fredonja: What hardware? |
| 23:48.23 | jhutchins_lt | !kernels |
| 23:48.25 | dpkg | Linux kernel versions, mainline 3: 3.3 , stable 3.2: 3.2.12 , stable 3.1: 3.1.10 , stable 3.0: 3.0.25 , stable 2.6.35: 2.6.35.13 , stable 2.6.34: 2.6.34.11 , stable 2.6.33: 2.6.33.20 , stable 2.6.32: 2.6.32.59 , stable 2.6.27: 2.6.27.62 , linux-next: next-20120322 |
| 23:48.37 | fredonja | thinkpad edge 325 (network formware, to be exact) |
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| 23:49.11 | jhutchins_lt | ,kernels |
| 23:49.12 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.3.0-trunk-686-pae (3.3-1~experimental.1); sid: 3.2.0-2-686-pae (3.2.12-1); wheezy: 3.2.0-2-686-pae (3.2.9-1); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.2-686-pae (3.2.9-1~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-41); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-35~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-29) |
| 23:49.28 | Diopter | jhutchins_lt: The ethernet and wireless need a newer kernel and firmware than stable has |
| 23:49.51 | jhutchins_lt | !kmuto |
| 23:49.51 | dpkg | Unofficial images for installing Debian Squeeze/6.0 using a later kernel (currently Linux 3.2.4) are available from http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ (images are on the CD mirrors). To supply additional firmware, ask me about <installer firmware>. For a USB install, use the lenny instructions: http://www.debian.org/releases/oldstable/i386/ch04s03 |
| 23:49.53 | themill | lucky we have newer kernels available from squeeze-backports, then |
| 23:49.53 | fredonja | these kernels are in repos, right? but how do i boot stable? (and bnow were at the start:D) |
| 23:50.37 | a5m0 | someone should make a squeeze-backport of fglrx! |
| 23:50.46 | fredonja | yes, and backported kernel images with firmware are at http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
| 23:50.52 | jhutchins_lt | fredonja: See the message about kmuto above |
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| 23:51.31 | fredonja | jhutchins_lt: i installed with that installer:D |
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| 23:51.46 | fredonja | that is the problem |
| 23:52.14 | fredonja | 2.6.39-bpo.2-amd64 |
| 23:53.06 | fredonja | i usethat installer, booted normally with nomodeset option, forget to save it to grub, restarted, and now it does not work |
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| 23:53.45 | fredonja | ofcourse, i tried official installer before |
| 23:54.23 | fredonja | funny, when i tried automated install (official installer), everything went ok |
| 23:54.51 | fredonja | but it was a metapackage install and it put bunch of packages i dont want |
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| 23:55.44 | fredonja | so i decided i want a modular install, and now, WITH THE SAME kernel, it doesnt go through |
| 23:56.07 | fredonja | then i tried backported 2.6.39 |
| 23:56.39 | fredonja | inserted "nomodeset" |
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| 23:58.33 | fredonja | or can you point me to some modular step-by-step tutorial? ive read debian documentation and still dont get it (i dont consider myself stupid)... |
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| 23:59.31 | jhutchins_lt | fredonja: Have you tried booting to single user mode? |
| 23:59.55 | jhutchins_lt | nomodeset may have changed in the 3.x kernel, i don't know. One of the problems with doing this is that you're running ahead of the documentation. |
| 23:59.56 | fredonja | single user mode? how do i do that? |
